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| * mgedmin WANT mmpc for diablo | 00:05 | |
| lcuk | whats that? | 00:05 |
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| mgedmin | nice musicpd client | 00:06 |
| lcuk | was it available for chinook? | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | hm, the domain is musicpd.org; the thing itself is mpd | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | anyway, yes, it was, and when I tried to rebuild it for diablo | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | I got stuck on missing packages (libgladesomething, iirc)? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | can you use the chinook .deb you built? | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | did I build the chinook deb? | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | i dunno - by your mentioning diablo specifically i thought you meant you had it before | 00:07 |
| mgedmin | I see mmpc 0.1 in my mistral and bora dists, in the other/ syubdir | 00:07 |
| mgedmin | which means I downloaded the .deb from somewhere that was not a repo and put it in mine for convenience | 00:08 |
| * mgedmin checks mmpc.garage.maemo.org ... ... ... timeout | 00:08 | |
| mgedmin | garage.maemo.org .... ... ... ... timeout | 00:08 |
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| Stskeeps | time for coffee break? :P | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | anyway, time to go home | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | bye | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | cya | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | and no, thats marcell | 00:17 |
| lcuk | damn | 00:17 |
| * jott pokes in lcuks eye | 00:20 | |
| jott | (lucky you wear glasses :) | 00:20 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:20 |
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| lardman | re | 00:23 |
| lcuk | that was a very short pub visit | 00:23 |
| lcuk | im gonna suspend your license | 00:23 |
| lardman | onlt 2 pints | 00:24 |
| lardman | as you can tell ;) | 00:24 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:24 |
| liran_ | is it possible to re-arrange that cubical main menu at the left? | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | liran_, as in going into settings -> panels, and clicking "organise" ? | 00:27 |
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| liran_ | crashanddie: let me check | 00:28 |
| liran_ | crashanddie: that's the one, thanks | 00:28 |
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| liran_ | crashanddie: it was in the bottom there, couldn't see it :) | 00:28 |
| * liran_ has the n810 for only 2 days... haven't played with it that much | 00:29 | |
| liran_ | though I have to say, I installed a bunch of apps last night and I think it's running slower than usual | 00:29 |
| liran_ | usual as in, slower than when it was empty when I got it 2 days ago lol | 00:29 |
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| liran_ | crashanddie: seems that I'm unable to remove the 'Web' and 'Bookmarks' entries in the Internet category | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | you are correct | 00:33 |
| liran_ | crashanddie: so no way to remove them? | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | never bothered | 00:34 |
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| crashanddie | I use them quite extensively, so no point in removing them | 00:34 |
| lcuk | liran_, i believe there is a way to remove them (or reassign them) but its a bit more convoluted than an option | 00:35 |
| liran_ | crashanddie: well I see no point in having those 2 in the Internet category when they are both available in the top-left upper category too (the globe one) | 00:35 |
| lcuk | just leave em for now | 00:35 |
| liran_ | yep, I'll just leave it for now | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | liran_, I didn't remove them, just put them in a "garbage" folder, where I've put skype and everything | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | skype, gizmo, stuff like that | 00:36 |
| liran_ | heh, garbage folder :) | 00:36 |
| lcuk | ive got extrabits wayyyyyyyy down at the bottom out of sight | 00:36 |
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| liran_ | just wondering, does this seems like a normal load? http://pastebin.ca/1094182 | 00:40 |
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| mranostay | quick question is there any hildon input plugin for an sms style keypad? | 01:00 |
| GNUtonio | X-Fade: ping | 01:01 |
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| sp3000 | liran_: fwiw that top sucks, you get no good names for maemo-launched things | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | htop from the tools repo is nicer wrt that | 01:06 |
| jott | X-Fade: bzip2 in diablo/free is broken it's missing depends for shared-mime-info :( | 01:09 |
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| liran_ | sp3000: I'll get htop then and let's check again | 01:09 |
| liran_ | sp3000: cause that top output worries me some what... | 01:10 |
| sp3000 | why? | 01:10 |
| liran_ | sp3000: doesn't it look like too much of a load? | 01:10 |
| sp3000 | yeah, well, the math is a bit funny | 01:10 |
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| sp3000 | but hey, you have at least 397% of memory, that can't be bad | 01:11 |
| liran_ | heh | 01:12 |
| sp3000 | unless it's coming from a pagefile but it doesn't look like it ;) | 01:12 |
| liran_ | uhmm, I can't find htop | 01:12 |
| liran_ | does it have another name? | 01:12 |
| sp3000 | see http://maemo.org/development/tools/ | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | can I do useful stuff like call 1-800 free with gizmo? :) | 01:14 |
| * sp3000 can't quite tell | 01:14 | |
| jott | hm it actually looks like extra-devel :/ | 01:15 |
| jott | zap: is that your package? :P | 01:15 |
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| summatusmentis | has anyone come accross 16GB mini/micro sd cards? | 02:16 |
| [yzf600] | is there a way to tell what OS is installed on a nokia 770? | 02:17 |
| Toba | summatusmentis: nope | 02:17 |
| Toba | the rumors were just that, rumors, I guess | 02:18 |
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| [yzf600] | anyone know why my nokia won't accept connections to TCP port 1234 ? | 02:20 |
| [yzf600] | I wrote this server/client app in python and tested it out on my desktop | 02:20 |
| summatusmentis | Toba: bummer :( Looking to replace my iPod | 02:20 |
| [yzf600] | I ported it over to maemo (it was a pygtk app) and it stopped accepting connections | 02:20 |
| [yzf600] | socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') | 02:21 |
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| blafasel | [yzf600]: netstat shows the listening port though? | 02:22 |
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| jott | [yzf600]: you could use the TCP/IP swiss army knife (nc) to test if connections work in general. | 02:23 |
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| [yzf600] | jott: I don;'t think there is a nc ported to my OS | 02:28 |
| [yzf600] | I checked out the stuff at gronmayer.com and it could only find netcat for Chinook | 02:28 |
| [yzf600] | I don't think I run Chinook | 02:29 |
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| jaek | is there a repository of microb extensions somewhere? | 02:29 |
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| jott | [yzf600]: hmm it could work anyway. it's just a console app. just an idea anyway for rapid testing :) | 02:29 |
| [yzf600] | yea | 02:30 |
| [yzf600] | strange - netstat doesn't show my app as listening, but it does show an entry for ssh | 02:30 |
| mikkov_ | wtf, sdk has incompatible (to lenny) cp | 02:31 |
| blafasel | So.. | 02:31 |
| blafasel | [yzf600]: Fix your app | 02:31 |
| Toba | summatusmentis: yeah, I think i'm gonna wait too | 02:32 |
| rm_you | you run your listening app as root? | 02:32 |
| Toba | i have maybe 1.5 GB of music on my n810 now | 02:32 |
| Toba | but buying an 8gb now seems stupid | 02:32 |
| blafasel | Port 1234 should work with any privileges. | 02:32 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I've got way more than 8GB of music anyway... I'd like to be able to get rid of the iPod, and just carry two devices | 02:33 |
| Mercury | summatusmentis: How much music do you want to carry? | 02:33 |
| Toba | me, i dont really bring a portable device thinking "OH MAN GOTTA HAVE EVERY TUNE I EVER LIKED" | 02:34 |
| Toba | I thought about buying an ipod shuffle. | 02:34 |
| summatusmentis | Mercury: slightly over 14GB | 02:34 |
| Toba | summatusmentis: is that all you have? | 02:34 |
| glass | Toba: good music library has stuff one doesn't like that much too, for humorous occasions or just because | 02:34 |
| summatusmentis | Toba: I never know what I want to listen to, so I like having everything | 02:34 |
| Toba | glass: true | 02:35 |
| summatusmentis | and yes, that's all I've got | 02:35 |
| [yzf600] | chinook netcat package can't install on my nokia due to wrong libc6. | 02:35 |
| Mercury | summatusmentis: So wait a bit and get a 16GB card when they are available. Or wait a bit longer and get them when they are not obscenely expensive. | 02:35 |
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| [yzf600] | blafasel: yea - maybe something is wrong with my app | 02:36 |
| summatusmentis | Mercury: yeah, I think that's probably what I'll do. I haven't seen anything over 8GB for micro SD though | 02:36 |
| [yzf600] | blafasel: strange how it works just fine on my desktop | 02:36 |
| summatusmentis | so I'm not quite sure what 'a bit' is | 02:36 |
| Mercury | summatusmentis: This summer supposedly. | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | almost over :) | 02:37 |
| [yzf600] | time to write a non pygtk python server I guess | 02:38 |
| summatusmentis | Toba: you're a senior this year? | 02:38 |
| Toba | yes | 02:39 |
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| summatusmentis | cool, any idea what you're doing afterwards? | 02:39 |
| * Mercury digs about. | 02:40 | |
| Mercury | summatusmentis: Maybe december. *grumbles* | 02:40 |
| summatusmentis | Mercury: I don't realy wanna wait until December :-P | 02:41 |
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| summatusmentis | make ti come faster | 02:41 |
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| [yzf600] | well, apparently pygtk on maemo does not like this statement: gobject.io_add_watch(sock, gobject.IO_IN, self.rx_data) | 02:46 |
| Mercury | summatusmentis: I can't. :( | 02:46 |
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| jaek | anyone know of a good greasemonkey script that simulates the iphone flick scrolling? | 02:55 |
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| yllus | Hey guys, quick Q? Where in the filesystem are menu items defined and kept? | 04:04 |
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| mikkov_ | /usr/share/appÃlications/hildon | 04:10 |
| robink | yllus: /usr/share/applications? | 04:10 |
| robink | Oh yeah. | 04:10 |
| yllus | I figured it out, hehe - thanks guys | 04:10 |
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| yllus | Though I am still wondering how I can play video files on /media/mmc2 - I can't navigate there using the Video Player browser | 04:11 |
| yllus | Hmm, making a symbolic link doesn't work either. | 04:11 |
| yllus | oh, there it goes. | 04:14 |
| mikkov_ | media player should automatically list all music and video | 04:15 |
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| yllus | I have a 770 formatted with another partition - I created a symlink in /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/ | 04:15 |
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| GAN800 | Bad plan. | 04:16 |
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| [yzf600] | could someone run this command on their n800 or n810: dpkg --list | grep gobject | 04:22 |
| [yzf600] | I'm wondering what package version is included on an n800 | 04:22 |
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| rm_you | err | 04:24 |
| rm_you | i dont know if its what you're looking for exactly... | 04:24 |
| rm_you | ii python2.5-gobject 2.14.1-1osso1 | 04:25 |
| [yzf600] | interesting | 04:25 |
| rm_you | also | 04:25 |
| rm_you | ii libsofia-sip-ua-glib3 1.12.8-0osso5 | 04:25 |
| rm_you | but doesnt really seem relevent | 04:25 |
| [yzf600] | nokia 770 has 2.12.2-1osso4 | 04:25 |
| rm_you | *relevant | 04:25 |
| [yzf600] | I wonder if that is causing my application to not work | 04:25 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: could you do me a big favor? | 04:27 |
| rm_you | ? | 04:27 |
| [yzf600] | if I send you a couple of python scripts, could you test it out for me? | 04:27 |
| rm_you | probably | 04:27 |
| [yzf600] | on an n800 or n810 that is | 04:27 |
| rm_you | N800 here | 04:28 |
| [yzf600] | ok | 04:28 |
| [yzf600] | basically, I wrote a python GTK app that talks on TCP port | 04:28 |
| [yzf600] | the server runs on the nokia, listening for clients to connect | 04:28 |
| [yzf600] | when a client connects, it sends a message to the server and the server changes what is displayed in the window | 04:29 |
| [yzf600] | the server on my n770 isn't accepting connections. I'm wondering if running it on an n800 would be any different | 04:29 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: can your im accept file transfers? | 04:30 |
| rm_you | trying | 04:30 |
| [yzf600] | ok | 04:30 |
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| [yzf600] | we could use a no paste bot in here | 04:33 |
| [yzf600] | brb | 04:33 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: is there another way for me to send you my script(s)? | 04:36 |
| [yzf600] | rm_you: thanks a ton, btw | 04:36 |
| rm_you | pastebin | 04:36 |
| [yzf600] | http://pastebin.com/d22b75df3 | 04:37 |
| [yzf600] | http://pastebin.com/m7dd2ecb5 | 04:38 |
| [yzf600] | the 1st post will runn the gui | 04:38 |
| [yzf600] | run the second script like this: second.py localhost "armed" | 04:39 |
| [yzf600] | run both on the n800 | 04:39 |
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| rm_you | gobject.GError: Failed to open file 'png/available.png': No such file or directory | 04:41 |
| rm_you | you have more files? | 04:41 |
| [yzf600] | oh crap | 04:41 |
| [yzf600] | forgot about that | 04:41 |
| [yzf600] | you can just put a "#" character in front of lines 61-71 | 04:43 |
| [yzf600] | that will remove the GError | 04:43 |
| [yzf600] | so if it fails, the 2nd script will die with a "Connection refused" error | 04:45 |
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| [yzf600] | if it works, you will see the gui app change tabs | 04:45 |
| ryoohki | any maemo news from linux world expo? | 04:47 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: any luck? | 04:50 |
| rm_you | sorry on phone with power services | 04:50 |
| [yzf600] | no problem | 04:51 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: I gotta leave the computer for a while. If you don't have time to help, I understand. If you do get around to running the scripts, just post here and I'll check back later. Thanks again | 05:11 |
| rm_you | i'mback | 05:15 |
| rm_you | [yzf600]: it isnt really doing anything | 05:17 |
| rm_you | and no output at all from second.py | 05:17 |
| rm_you | just sitting there | 05:17 |
| rm_you | oh crap forgot the args | 05:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:18 |
| rm_you | yeah ok it worked | 05:18 |
| rm_you | and also, you may want to change your pin :P | 05:18 |
| terbo | :D | 05:19 |
| rm_you | [yzf600]: i think i asked this last night, but... are you running these things as root? I am | 05:21 |
| rm_you | I dont think you can bind to a port if you aren't root | 05:21 |
| terbo | you need to be super user to bind to a port under 1024 | 05:22 |
| rm_you | ah, i've had the experience with pretty much any port i try <_< | 05:22 |
| rm_you | but yes, you should be correct | 05:23 |
| terbo | also yfz you could do netstat -an | grep LISTEN to make sure that its binding correctly | 05:24 |
| rm_you | i think he tried that, and it wasn't. | 05:25 |
| rm_you | lol damn | 05:29 |
| rm_you | i am thoroughly failing at finding a cheap 16+ port gigabit switch :P | 05:29 |
| briand | surprise, surprise | 05:46 |
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| rm_you | this is tempting... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833129035 | 05:52 |
| rm_you | this is cheaper, but i'd rather go with a rackmount... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122139 | 05:52 |
| rm_you | anyone know a better place to buy a gigabit switch? :P | 05:52 |
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| [yzf600] | rm_you: thanks a ton! | 06:05 |
| [yzf600] | I guess the nokia 770 python libs just aren't up to the task I asked | 06:06 |
| [yzf600] | rm_you: yea - I can't find any cheap 15 port switches either | 06:07 |
| [yzf600] | ebay may be best chance to get a deal | 06:08 |
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| rm_you | wtf? | 06:43 |
| rm_you | how did ABL go to 23,000 downloads >_> | 06:43 |
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| Mercury | ABL? | 07:06 |
| mikkov_ | advanced backlight | 07:07 |
| mikkov_ | there was like ten updates within couple of days ;) | 07:08 |
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| Mercury | What sort of changes? | 07:11 |
| * Mercury clearly needs to update his n810. | 07:11 | |
| Mercury | mikkov_: They have not made it to diablo. | 07:12 |
| * Mercury looks sad. | 07:12 | |
| mikkov_ | updates were week or two ago | 07:15 |
| mikkov_ | i am just saying that updates bumped downloads a bit | 07:16 |
| rm_you | diablo should have all of the newest changes <_< | 07:16 |
| Mercury | Hrm. | 07:17 |
| rm_you | it's just that, when we released the newest (and current) version, downloads jumped from 2000 to 8000 in like two days and then sat there for a week... i was kind of expecting that to be it. | 07:17 |
| Mercury | Ahhh. | 07:18 |
| mikkov_ | i think that there is somekind of delay in downloads | 07:18 |
| Mercury | It's a very handy utility. | 07:18 |
| Mercury | Now, if there was a way to disable the default brightness thinggy as well, so it wouldn't take up space, that would be even better. | 07:18 |
| rm_you | Mercury: fairly easily done | 07:18 |
| rm_you | Mercury: settings -> control panel -> panels | 07:19 |
| rm_you | "status bar" tab | 07:19 |
| rm_you | uncheck "display" and "sound" | 07:19 |
| Mercury | rm_you: Thanks. :) | 07:20 |
| rm_you | np :) | 07:20 |
| mikkov_ | maybe downloads from repository are updated once a week and .install file clicks are real time | 07:22 |
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| rm_you | ah possibly | 07:25 |
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| acydlord | stupid USPS is trying to eat my n810 | 07:49 |
| acydlord | they tried to deliver it today, and they say i only have 24 hours to pick it up or they ship it back | 07:49 |
| rm_you | O_o | 07:50 |
| acydlord | not to mention i live in an apartment complex, someone in the office could have signed | 07:52 |
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| moontiger | hi :) | 08:41 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 08:41 |
| moontiger | heyyyyyyyyyyyyy are you the person developing the mcalendar thingy? | 08:41 |
| moontiger | that was to khertan btw :) | 08:43 |
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| moontiger | well... i wonder if anybody can give some advice for development environment setup and choice? | 08:44 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, did you get pycrypto packaged? :D | 08:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | no ... | 08:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve played with diablo | 08:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | but diablo2 from blizzard | 08:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 08:45 |
| qwerty12 | hehe :) | 08:45 |
| moontiger | heh | 08:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | moontiger > yes i m the dev of mcalendar | 08:46 |
| qwerty12 | lemme see if I can package pycrypto (bearing in mind, I'm more used packaging c apps) | 08:46 |
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| moontiger | awesome ... i was going to write something similar but then found mcalendar | 08:47 |
| moontiger | im having a problem even deciding what dev env to use ... | 08:47 |
| moontiger | i prefer c/c++ but python is nice too | 08:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 08:47 |
| moontiger | but im having a hard time even getting to the point where i can get a simple "hello world" on the actual n810 | 08:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | c/c++ can t be compiled on board | 08:48 |
| moontiger | right | 08:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | so not many choice for me :) | 08:48 |
| moontiger | so what do you use for dev work? | 08:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | and python is so nice | 08:48 |
| moontiger | ahhh | 08:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | i dev on my nit in the train | 08:48 |
| moontiger | ok | 08:48 |
| moontiger | hehe coolio | 08:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | so mainly with pygtkeditor and osso-xterm | 08:49 |
| moontiger | so u use python on the actual tablet? | 08:49 |
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| moontiger | i wanted a calendar for the desktop that reads my google calendar and shows events up to a month ahead | 08:50 |
| moontiger | so i knocked up a quick gtk / python desktop app that works (looks like crap but whatever) | 08:50 |
| moontiger | but i have no clue how to get that converted over to the n810 | 08:50 |
| qwerty12 | c can be compiled on the tablet. I know some people on the ITT forums and lcuk here does it. | 08:50 |
| moontiger | like ... do u use eclipse and pluthon at all? | 08:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t use at all eclipse | 08:51 |
| moontiger | ok cool ... its big and slow | 08:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > yes but slow and hard to install | 08:52 |
| moontiger | i would prefer to use c / c++ but i have no clue how to actually use the scratchbox thingy :( | 08:52 |
| qwerty12 | true but slow and hard to install != it can't be done | 08:52 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: run linux on any of your computers? | 08:53 |
| moontiger | all of them ... mostly xubuntu ... i got bored with compiling my own stuff | 08:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | moontiger > use the vmware applyance | 08:53 |
| qwerty12 | moontiger: vmware is the easy option to set it up, if you are a vmware hater, you can install it on xubuntu | 08:54 |
| moontiger | i set i tup ok ... just not sure what to do next | 08:54 |
| moontiger | log in and then? | 08:54 |
| moontiger | do i really have to use vi or something for an editor? | 08:55 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have the DIABLO/CHINOOK_ARMEL target installed? | 08:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | or *ubuntu | 08:55 |
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| moontiger | yes i have the whole scratchbox / armel thingy installed with xephyr | 08:55 |
| qwerty12 | Inside scratchbox you do have to use vi, but you can get access to your files outside scratchbox and use gedit whatever | 08:55 |
| moontiger | on xubuntu | 08:55 |
| moontiger | god i hate vi | 08:56 |
| moontiger | :/ | 08:56 |
| moontiger | so vi / nano / joe and manual cmd line compiles yes? | 08:56 |
| qwerty12 | should do | 08:56 |
| moontiger | and then how do i get the apps onto the n810 when i want to dist them? | 08:57 |
| qwerty12 | Some people use ssh, I just go into /scratchbox/users/$USER/home/$USER and copy them onto the N800 over usb | 08:57 |
| moontiger | sorry for all the dumb questions btw but i *really* want to get started on some apps and this is frustrating | 08:57 |
| moontiger | oh so the compile is a static link and an xcopy deploy works? | 08:58 |
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| qwerty12 | You should read this: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf | 08:59 |
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| qwerty12 | That goes into packaging apps into deb files | 08:59 |
| moontiger | eeeesh .... ok thanks | 08:59 |
| moontiger | :) | 08:59 |
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| qwerty12 | It's not a way of saying bye :), its just that can explain better than me :) | 09:00 |
| moontiger | oh ok thnx :) | 09:00 |
| moontiger | khertan ... is it considered rude for me to develop another desktop calendar thingy that reads from google calendar? | 09:01 |
| moontiger | i mean since you are writing one | 09:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | rude ? (sorry i m french) | 09:01 |
| moontiger | not polite | 09:01 |
| moontiger | im in san francisco right now but im moving to madrid at the end of the year | 09:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | no of course not | 09:02 |
| moontiger | bte that pdf is really good ... thanks so much :) | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll let more choice for user | 09:02 |
| moontiger | ok cool ... just making sure | 09:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | do you want to make a view in list like mcalendar or same view as google agenda | 09:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 09:03 |
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| moontiger | i wanted to first of all make a scrollable window on the desktop to show me up to one month of events in my google calendar ... just simple "name" "start" "end" details for now | 09:04 |
| moontiger | then maybe allow editing locally and re-syncing | 09:04 |
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| moontiger | i have some code that reads them now on my desktop in python | 09:05 |
| moontiger | eventually i wanted to use the inertial scrolling too | 09:05 |
| moontiger | then of course it would be good to link to a local store like mcalendar for when no net connection is available | 09:06 |
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| Macor | forgot my n800 | 09:07 |
| moontiger | wow its getting busy here now ... europe is waking up :) | 09:08 |
| Macor | now i have to use my n95 | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | moontiger: the coffee is starting to work | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:10 |
| Macor | hah | 09:10 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't drink coffee and I was up at 6:30 :P | 09:10 | |
| Macor | sts. sorry. gave up on debian | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | Macor: alright | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | Macor: thought you did that already :) | 09:11 |
| Macor | its great but the sound and bt support | 09:11 |
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| XTLi | Mmm.. Coffee | 09:11 |
| Macor | were killing me | 09:11 |
| XTLi | Bad coffee, but still | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | Macor: think fatalsaint was looking at BT support | 09:11 |
| Macor | if you guys make it as easy as maemo | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | Macor: in any case, thanks for telling me the hald errors so we could get things rolling :) | 09:12 |
| Macor | that would be awesome | 09:12 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: I've got http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycrypto/ packaged | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe. not sure there's handy things like that built on this side of the pond. isn't there something like a networkmanager plugin for PPP connections? | 09:13 |
| Macor | and the sound support. it would replace maemo hands down | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | sounds support worked in johnx's beta3.. its a matter of finding out how it was done then | 09:13 |
| Macor | you need a dnep module | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | i gotta run to the bus now, ttyl | 09:13 |
| Macor | later | 09:14 |
| moontiger | bfn | 09:14 |
| Macor | ill get another sd tomorrow | 09:14 |
| Macor | and work on it some more | 09:15 |
| moontiger | im just having some tea ...before i go to bed | 09:15 |
| Macor | that way i can swap it out for maemo/kde | 09:15 |
| Macor | it is awesome tho sts | 09:16 |
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| * moontiger re-installs scratchbox and the sdk | 09:21 | |
| samppa | internettablettalk.com is down? | 09:21 |
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| samppa | hah and it just started working again :) | 09:21 |
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| XTLi | Glad we could help | 09:23 |
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| fmontesi | hi. anyone who tried java on maemo here? if i make my java app work on JamVM, will that work on maemo+jalimo too? should jalimo be my preferred target or is there something better? | 09:30 |
| * qwerty12 loses faith in linux when it fails to mount a simple iso image. Even windows has no problems :/ | 09:31 | |
| moontiger | permissions? | 09:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Checked them. I think it may be the file name. A shame as even windows has no problems with that name. | 09:33 |
| XTLi | Heh | 09:33 |
| qwerty12 | [ 2510.113353] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. :/ | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | arrgh, I think it's because I left it mounted in daemon tools. a restart beckons me. shit. | 09:35 |
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| MaceN95 | i have a question about scratchbox. do you just have to change the target to arm and build most source like you would on aj pc? | 09:41 |
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| MaceN95 | a pc | 09:42 |
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| MaceN95 | or do you have to do a lot of src modifications to get it to work? | 09:43 |
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| moontiger | n95 ... i think the idea is its just switch targets and rebuild | 09:45 |
| moontiger | afaik (and im new to this too) the scratchbox emulates the n810 on the x86 | 09:45 |
| moontiger | so when it runs on that ... change target so the right code is emitted then recompile | 09:45 |
| MaceN95 | thats what i figured | 09:47 |
| moontiger | else whats the point right? | 09:48 |
| MaceN95 | ill play with it more | 09:48 |
| MaceN95 | i wanted to make my own kde build | 09:48 |
| MaceN95 | to try to get kopete to have ssl support | 09:49 |
| MaceN95 | thats the only thing wrong with pb's install | 09:50 |
| MaceN95 | plus he has a ton of apps i would never use | 09:50 |
| MaceN95 | i wanted to have a bare kde install and make a rep to add crossed apps. keeping all of it seperate instead of a 1G install from a tarball | 09:52 |
| MaceN95 | all the hardware works in kde since it is run from maemo | 09:53 |
| * qwerty12 should make an "I am rich" application for maemo | 09:55 | |
| MaceN95 | ? | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/08/iphone-iamrich.html | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | Someone actually bought it as well : http://i35.tinypic.com/vfeo5.png | 09:57 |
| MaceN95 | im on my n95 | 09:57 |
| MaceN95 | dont think i can hop to www to easy from putty | 09:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Armin Heinrich had released an app on the iTunes App Store called "I Am Rich". for $999.99. All the iPhone app did was display a red gem on the iPhone and iPod touch and nothing else as can be seen below. The description of the iPhone App in iTunes read: | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | "The red icon on your iPhone or iPod touch always reminds you (and others when you show it to them) that you were rich enough to afford this. It's a work of art with no hidden function at all." | 09:59 |
| samppa | :) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Someone actually bought it as well | 09:59 |
| XTLi | Cute | 09:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12> in fact buy an app on the app store is one click | 10:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | so author surely hope an error from someone | 10:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is already other overpriced app available | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | And he got it : http://i35.tinypic.com/vfeo5.png | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | That is a nice scam though | 10:01 |
| MaceN95 | haha | 10:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 10:02 |
| MaceN95 | i think ill get an n810 tomorrow | 10:03 |
| MaceN95 | id have to order it tho. dont think most stores carry them | 10:04 |
| MaceN95 | i need the querty | 10:04 |
| MaceN95 | er | 10:05 |
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| * qwerty12 pretends not to be flattered | 10:05 | |
| MaceN95 | w | 10:05 |
| MaceN95 | hah | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > i see in log that you have packaged pycrypto | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | in extras-devel repository ? | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | I don't think I can upload it to extras though, I used bdist_debian | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'll see if I can package it properly | 10:06 |
| samppa | hey, i read somewhere that the old email client is still somewhere in diablo, how can i change back to that old one ? | 10:06 |
| samppa | This new email program is unstable, i keep gettin "internal error" program closed messages | 10:07 |
| qwerty12 | samppa: that was only if you did the leaked beta upgrade from chinook to diablo (like me) before diablo was out :/ | 10:07 |
| samppa | ah okey | 10:07 |
| samppa | is there away to hack that old back | 10:07 |
| samppa | away = way | 10:08 |
| MaceN95 | modest doesnt work with my zimbra simap | 10:08 |
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| qwerty12 | No, unless you mount a chinook rootfs and get to dpkg-repacking | 10:08 |
| MaceN95 | i just use claws | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really inclined to use claws after some days with modest | 10:08 |
| samppa | do you get errors in modest also? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | atleast under debian it was really useful and stable | 10:09 |
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| MaceN95 | no. modest just wont ssl to my zimbra imap | 10:09 |
| * qwerty12 remembers when people were getting excited that modest would be the default email client in diablo | 10:10 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i actually liked the old one better, it didn't fuck around that much :P | 10:10 |
| MaceN95 | claws is nice tho | 10:10 |
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| samppa | Stskeeps: yeah that old one was much better | 10:10 |
| MaceN95 | modest has better lists | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: yeah. I don't remember modest having so much problems in chinook. Nokia must have applied their magic programming skills to it. | 10:10 |
| samppa | maybe i should try claws | 10:10 |
| moontiger | modest is a real shame | 10:10 |
| moontiger | almost good | 10:11 |
| moontiger | but totally useless | 10:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | modest works very well for me | 10:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | and is really usefull | 10:11 |
| XTLi | Works for me too, but I don't use it much | 10:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | connecton will drop ... | 10:11 |
| MaceN95 | well. it wouldnt connect to my zimbra server | 10:11 |
| moontiger | there are just a few things that make it unusable for me | 10:11 |
| samppa | maybe its not working when your email box is very large | 10:12 |
| MaceN95 | i gave up on it | 10:12 |
| MaceN95 | and like claws | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | mine is actually very small - since i go by the GTD principle, my inbox is often just at 0 messages :P | 10:12 |
| samppa | everytime i receive a message it is closed due to internal error | 10:12 |
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| moontiger | claws works well enough even tho its a bit weird sometimes | 10:12 |
| moontiger | samppa ... thats a great junk mail filter ;) | 10:13 |
| MaceN95 | i like the interface | 10:13 |
| samppa | hehe | 10:13 |
| MaceN95 | all dpad | 10:13 |
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| samppa | its not working even if my inbox has only 1 message...bu i do have lots of messages in other folders, messages i want to save | 10:14 |
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| MaceN95 | they should let you use the onscreen kb from the dpad | 10:14 |
| MaceN95 | or have a side scrolling alphabet | 10:15 |
| MaceN95 | that you can use instead of pecking | 10:15 |
| MaceN95 | the onscreen kb is kind of irritating sometimes | 10:17 |
| samppa | hmm modest bugzilla says that this bug has been fixed and will be available in the next update | 10:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | new version of mCalendar uploaded | 10:24 |
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| moontiger | how do i switch the scratchbox compiler to output a file that will run on the n810? | 10:25 |
| XTLi | Next update = 2012 | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | sb-menu, change to diablo_armel | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | run sb-menu rather | 10:26 |
| moontiger | thats what i did ... then i compile and get a compiled file | 10:26 |
| moontiger | then i copy it to my n810 and try to run it but it wont run | 10:26 |
| moontiger | anyt houghts? | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | you can't run straight of a vfat mmc, move to ~ and chmod +x it | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | *off | 10:26 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhh cant run from the mmc's | 10:27 |
| moontiger | doh! | 10:27 |
| moontiger | thanks | 10:27 |
| moontiger | :) | 10:27 |
| * qwerty12 notices that I don't get opengl problems in windows if I leave Catalyst Control Center open. | 10:28 | |
| moontiger | hell yeah!! that did it ... thanks so much!! | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | np | 10:29 |
| moontiger | finally i can develop for this thing :) | 10:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 10:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Get the hang of packaging though :). Much easier then moving binaries around | 10:29 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 10:29 |
| moontiger | its so frustrating being a major geek and not being able to figure out the dev process for the platform | 10:30 |
| qwerty12 | Morning X-Fade | 10:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | morning x-fde | 10:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | morning X-Fade | 10:30 |
| * X-Fade pokes zap with a very very very sharp stick. | 10:30 | |
| moontiger | yah i will get the whole process sorted out so i can package | 10:30 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, good luck as he doesn't seem to be here under that name :/ | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Yeah, I know. But at least he will find it in the irc log ;) | 10:30 |
| moontiger | khertan ... what did you change in mcalendar just now? | 10:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | sync errors ... | 10:31 |
| moontiger | ahhhhh ok | 10:31 |
| moontiger | are you using the gdata python client lib for the communication? | 10:31 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: He seems to have broken bzip2, which in turn breaks building some packages on the autobuilder ;) | 10:31 |
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| qwerty12 | OUCH | 10:32 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: i have a feature request for mCalendar :) | 10:32 |
| * aquatix stumbles in | 10:32 | |
| Khertan_n810 | aquatix > :) | 10:32 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: But it is weird, because it is just an upstream ubuntu version. | 10:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | say i m open to new idea | 10:32 |
| aquatix | yeah, i got synch errors too btw | 10:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:32 |
| aquatix | well, all-day events | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, That's really odd. Can't you revert to an older version for the time being? | 10:32 |
| aquatix | and `no end date' with repeating ones | 10:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is what i m working in | 10:32 |
| aquatix | cool | 10:33 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: yeah, I guess I would need to do that. | 10:33 |
| aquatix | thought so, but i thought i'd mention it | 10:33 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: any clue why i get synch errors atm | 10:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes no end date is a google calendar feature | 10:33 |
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| aquatix | i have a `no end date' feature on my symbian phone too btw | 10:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | aquatix > error is due to me. I believe the google api doc, which i shouldn t | 10:34 |
| aquatix | lol | 10:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | aquatix > hum ... well by default i should make it with no end date | 10:35 |
| aquatix | that'd be nice | 10:35 |
| aquatix | that's how my smartphone does it too | 10:35 |
| aquatix | and google cal iirc | 10:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:36 |
| * Khertan_n810 try to understand why when you set a reccurent day for all day on 7/8/08 | 10:37 | |
| Khertan_n810 | end time become 8/8/08 | 10:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | and not 7/8/08 | 10:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | as it should be | 10:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | stupid idea ! | 10:38 |
| aquatix | :/ | 10:38 |
| aquatix | yeah, sounds odd | 10:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is many things like this | 10:39 |
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| moontiger | hehe i got my python calendar thingy working on the n810 too ... i see what u mean about python being less hassle to get running than c/c++ | 10:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | date format change between two similars call for the same events | 10:39 |
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| Khertan_n810 | moontiger > already done ? | 10:40 |
| moontiger | hehe just the basic crappy looking one ... it just pulls the events down and shows them in a window | 10:41 |
| moontiger | but now i can actually make it look nice and run as a home applet | 10:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | home applet is easy to do in python :) | 10:41 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: do you have any code/new version to test? | 10:42 |
| moontiger | really? im excited to get working on it tomorrow morning ... i just wanted to have the possibility to see a month or so of events on my home screen | 10:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes it will be available in few minutes in extras-devel 0.3.1 | 10:43 |
| moontiger | i have much to learn but thanks so much for all the help so far :) | 10:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | moontiger > you can now by using mCalendar and HomeCalendar | 10:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:44 |
| moontiger | the home page thingy can show me more than 2 days of events? | 10:44 |
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| aquatix | Khertan_n810: ah great | 10:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and a 0.3.2 in the end of the day | 10:45 |
| moontiger | btw i do use mcalendar and homecalendar ... they are good :) | 10:46 |
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| Khertan_n810 | thx | 10:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | so why making an other calendar app ? | 10:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | for an other ui ? | 10:48 |
| moontiger | give me a few days or so to get up to speed on this stuff and if you need / want any help i'll be happy to get involved :) | 10:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:48 |
| moontiger | well i wanted to be able to see more than 2 days on the home screen | 10:48 |
| moontiger | so i figured that was a good enough excuse to get into maemo dev work | 10:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:49 |
| moontiger | i usually do a lot of web stuff these days and c/c++ desktop stuff | 10:49 |
| moontiger | but i wanted to be able to code for the n810 sionce i got one at xmas | 10:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | if u can discover how to made setting for a python home applet | 10:49 |
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| moontiger | ok sure ... i will look into it | 10:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll be happy to add setting for more than 2 days:) | 10:49 |
| moontiger | thats what i thought would be good | 10:50 |
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| moontiger | im not teaching until next week so i have a few days to play around and figure it out | 10:50 |
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| moontiger | i must go get some sleep now but i will look into that and be back in a day or two ... thanks again for the help guys :) | 10:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | Morning Jaffa | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | zap, X-Fade wants to have words with you :P | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Lol ;) I have already mailed zap.. | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | Heh :) | 11:35 |
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| zap | me? | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | zap: The bzip2 package has a broken postinst. So I removed it from the repo. | 11:40 |
| zap | oh | 11:40 |
| zap | it did something wrong to you? | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | zap: It broke builds that depend on bzip2. | 11:40 |
| zap | postinst doesn't work? | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | And I was building qt4, which broke. | 11:40 |
| zap | aha | 11:40 |
| zap | okay, I'll fix this | 11:40 |
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| zap | are you working at trolltech? | 11:41 |
| hrw | morning | 11:41 |
| X-Fade | zap: The update-mime-type thingie doesn't exist.. | 11:41 |
| * zap checks | 11:42 | |
| X-Fade | zap: No, I'm not a troll ;) | 11:42 |
| * qwerty12 eats trolls | 11:42 | |
| X-Fade | zap: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 6: update-mime-database: command not found | 11:42 |
| zap | update-mime-database | 11:42 |
| zap | well, it is present on tablet | 11:42 |
| zap | and it's part of the stock ROM | 11:42 |
| * qwerty12 sees a problem with autobuilder. update-mime-database benefits the tablet. | 11:43 | |
| X-Fade | zap: I guess you need to specify a depend if you need it? | 11:43 |
| hrw | zap: s/ROM/distro | 11:43 |
| zap | hrw: ok | 11:43 |
| hrw | update-mime-database is in shared-mime-info | 11:43 |
| zap | I thought it's part of the default scratchbox | 11:43 |
| zap | never installed it in scratchbox though | 11:43 |
| hrw | zap: unless your tablet has ROM instead of Flash. but then you have bad luck | 11:44 |
| zap | in this case all my packages need fixing | 11:44 |
| hrw | zap: I pee on scratchbox | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, I could program you a python toilet if you wish? | 11:44 |
| zap | with sounds? | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | Well, it may take me a while to find a waterproof sound recorder | 11:45 |
| MangoFusion | will it include a python in it though, that is the question | 11:45 |
| * qwerty12 remembers the snakes on a plane scene | 11:45 | |
| qwerty12 | Although I detest sb2 | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | zap: You might want to check what other packages do.. | 11:46 |
| * zap checks | 11:46 | |
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| zap | X-Fade: okay, tablet-browser-ui does not depend on shared-mime-info and it uses update-mime-database | 11:56 |
| MaceN95 | hi | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | zap: But maybe one of it's dependencies draws it in? | 11:58 |
| zap | I checked libhildonmime0 and it doesn't as well | 11:59 |
| zap | ah, I must just try dpkg -r shared-mime-info | 11:59 |
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| zap | osso-imageviewer depends, libosso--gnomevfs2-common, hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 and osso-software-version-rx44 | 12:00 |
| zap | four packages | 12:00 |
| zap | oh well, scratchbox isn't going to change anyway, so I'll have to put in this dependency | 12:01 |
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| melmoth | Anybody fluent in pygame ? I wonder if it is possible to have a gtk like textview sort of widget with it. | 12:32 |
| melmoth | Or may be, if somebody knows of a pygame application that render large chunk of text correctly, let me know the name please. | 12:33 |
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| melmoth | got it http://www.learningpython.com/2006/12/13/textwidget-a-simple-text-class-for-pygame/ | 12:43 |
| pupnik | you should sacrifice a chicken for the ultimate pygame powers | 12:45 |
| XTLi | Or port and install chicken.. | 12:46 |
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| Dibblah | This N770 hacking thing is getting to be an illness :( | 12:47 |
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| melmoth | I'll sacrifice a chicken when i find a -laarge chunk of text_ sample. This is more like a label thingy. | 12:47 |
| melmoth | At the best i could sacrifice an egg. | 12:47 |
| Dibblah | I now have one with an extended battery (fully internal, removed the metal battery cage) and an internal full sized SD slot... | 12:47 |
| Dibblah | And now I'm seriously considering how to do a 6 bit SD interface - Which means desoldering a microBGA, making a PCB and connecting a DQFN part. | 12:49 |
| Dibblah | Then doing the required kernel mods. | 12:50 |
| XTLi | Pics + text along the way, I hope | 12:51 |
| Dibblah | For the 6 bit mod? Unlikely. | 12:51 |
| Dibblah | 0.5mm pitch packages are really not starting material :) | 12:52 |
| Dibblah | Pretty sure I have photos from the battery mod, though. | 12:52 |
| Dibblah | Internal SD card is easy - Remove and replace the existing MMC slot with a bigger one. Requires dremel work of course. | 12:53 |
| samppa | how do i make -dev package from my app ? do i have to use some fancy tool for this ? | 12:54 |
| hrw | Dibblah: but does someone still use 770? | 12:54 |
| samppa | if i want to make packages with headers and without | 12:54 |
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| Dibblah | hrw: :( | 12:55 |
| * Dibblah can't afford new hardware. | 12:55 | |
| XTLi | 770 would be nice if unofficial sw support would keep up | 12:56 |
| XTLi | Aging hw could be affordable and available. Not just per person, but per task. | 12:56 |
| Dibblah | That'd be hard since the hardware is so limited. | 12:56 |
| pupnik | 770 can still do very much | 12:56 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I could never be tempted to buy a 770. I have enough troubles on an N800. An slower processor and WSOD risk would make me suicidal. | 12:56 |
| XTLi | I've been thinking of making some terminals out of those | 12:56 |
| pupnik | i got 60 fps from a NES emulator on 770 | 12:57 |
| Dibblah | Less RAM is the killer. | 12:57 |
| pupnik | yes for many things | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik, wow, nice results | 12:57 |
| XTLi | Not for pocket computer uses so much | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | But one thing that is good is that it plays videos better than N800 | 12:57 |
| Dibblah | And it's impossible to upgrade, since they're using BGA combined RAM / EEPROM. | 12:57 |
| Dibblah | Argh. Flash. It's not the 80s any more. | 12:58 |
| melmoth | samppa: when you start with dh_make, states it is a library you are apckaging | 12:58 |
| melmoth | It will create a template debian directory with the control file suited for a binaary and a -dev package. | 12:58 |
| samppa | ah ok | 12:59 |
| samppa | so i dont have to use cdbs or something? | 12:59 |
| melmoth | i do not know what cdbs is. | 12:59 |
| melmoth | so i guess it is not needed :) | 12:59 |
| samppa | common debian build system - or something :) | 13:00 |
| melmoth | yop, just googled for it.. Never heard of it before. | 13:01 |
| samppa | ok, good | 13:01 |
| samppa | ill try as you said | 13:01 |
| hrw | XTLi: 770 is impossible to support for non-maemo systems | 13:02 |
| hrw | XTLi: same problem with other systems too -- no support for some important components | 13:03 |
| XTLi | Mm | 13:03 |
| Dibblah | It requires too much hidden DSP magic for even simple stuff, IMHO. | 13:03 |
| Dibblah | But it's the platform I have :( | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | wuuut? | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | You don't need the DSP to 9 out of 10 things done on the NIT | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | s/to/to do/ | 13:05 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: You don't need the DSP to do 9 out of 10 things done on the NIT | 13:05 |
| kulve | hrw: changing the rootfs works pretty nicely (keeping the initfs untouched) | 13:05 |
| samppa | melmoth: Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs? which one should i select ? | 13:05 |
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| hrw | kulve: and you need to run closed dsme/bme to get battery charged etc? | 13:05 |
| kulve | hrw: those are run from the initfs, iirc | 13:05 |
| hrw | kulve: and system is no longer free... | 13:06 |
| kulve | ie. they are run even if you reaplce the rootfs | 13:06 |
| crashanddie | samppa, if you want the -dev one, I guess library | 13:06 |
| samppa | crashanddie: ok, thanx | 13:06 |
| XTLi | Dibblah: you changed the battery.. | 13:07 |
| hrw | kulve: not if I boot to rootfs | 13:07 |
| Dibblah | XTLi: Yup. | 13:07 |
| XTLi | Would any of the nits run well off some other random DC source or battery than approved one? | 13:08 |
| hrw | kulve: you do not need to boot to initfs | 13:08 |
| Dibblah | The battery charger (being software based) is actually quite flexible. | 13:08 |
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| XTLi | Would also be a good thing for "embedded" use not relying on aging batteries | 13:08 |
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| Dibblah | ETEN M700 battery is the same form factor - But 2400mAh. | 13:10 |
| Dibblah | Obviously, it's deeper. | 13:10 |
| melmoth | samppa: LIBRARY | 13:11 |
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| hrw | zap: unzip 5.52-14-maemo3 is broken according to h-a-m | 13:17 |
| zap | h-a-m? | 13:17 |
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| qwerty12 | hildon application manager | 13:17 |
| zap | well I haven't tried yet, thats why I was pushing it to extras-devel | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Is it still? | 13:17 |
| zap | it installs though fine with dpkg -i | 13:18 |
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| XTLi | I've always wondered what things cause that invalid package thing and how to look for it | 13:20 |
| hrw | XTLi: ham gave me unzip and unrar to update - unrar fine, unzip not | 13:24 |
| zap | strange, apt-get install unzip worked fine | 13:27 |
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| lardman | Can someone explain to me how the standard OMAP2420 is setup wrt LCD controller and framebuffer location | 13:34 |
| lardman | ? | 13:34 |
| lardman | for example, does the bare chip come with an lcd controller or is this normally part of the lcd itself? | 13:37 |
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| lardman | ok, so there's an internal LCD controller I see | 13:51 |
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| zap | omap has a built-in lcd controller | 14:03 |
| zap | just like pxa | 14:03 |
| pupnik | yes | 14:03 |
| zap | that's what SRAM is dedicated for | 14:03 |
| lardman | is it really, the kernel source doesn't make that very clear | 14:03 |
| zap | I'm not sure it can use other memory, but it's possible it can | 14:04 |
| lardman | my question is really more to do with the pipeline and how it swithces between outputing to the LCD vs TV | 14:05 |
| glass | it outputs to both | 14:05 |
| glass | it can anyways | 14:05 |
| lardman | not simultaneously though | 14:05 |
| glass | i think n95 outputs same screen to both | 14:06 |
| glass | i could test in a second | 14:06 |
| lardman | there are ways to get around the pipeline issue, so I read | 14:06 |
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| lardman | but I'd like to know the structure of the pipeline | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | lardman: The N95 can display 640x480 images on the TV while showing it as 320x240 on it's screen. | 14:07 |
| zap | the video encoder uses a different address | 14:07 |
| zap | it can of course be set up to pick the image from the same memory | 14:07 |
| lardman | quite | 14:07 |
| zap | in which case you'll see the same | 14:07 |
| lardman | so the omap contains a video encoder which can take the framebuffer data and output it as PAL/NTSC? | 14:08 |
| zap | yes | 14:08 |
| zap | we're not interesed in LCD encoder | 14:08 |
| lardman | I know, but I need to pick the functionality apart | 14:08 |
| glass | X-Fade: any video played with symbians video libs gets scaled to fullscreen on the tvout | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | glass: Yeah, but those are upscaled right? Not original resolution. | 14:09 |
| glass | makes presenting some apps from the tvout impossible | 14:09 |
| zap | so it's like 320x240 upscaled to NTSC? | 14:09 |
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| X-Fade | glass: I thought only the gallery application used full resolution. | 14:09 |
| glass | X-Fade: it can play 640x480 video too | 14:09 |
| lardman | is the output res actually different to the LCD res? | 14:10 |
| glass | X-Fade: nope it happens if you use the video decoding/playing libraries from any app | 14:10 |
| zap | lardman: as far as I understand, tv encoder is set up separately from lcd encoder | 14:10 |
| glass | X-Fade: thres no direct api for controlling the tvout as a second screen though | 14:10 |
| glass | public one anyways | 14:11 |
| lardman | zap: I was just wondering where the data comes from then, it would require two framebuffers if the TV out displays different res data to the LCD (assuming it's not simply scaled) | 14:11 |
| zap | yes | 14:12 |
| zap | we can use SRAM as the tv framebuffer, and ignore the lcd controller | 14:12 |
| lardman | no, is that what actually happens? | 14:13 |
| zap | happens where? | 14:13 |
| lardman | on the N95 | 14:13 |
| zap | no idea, but why we should look at n95? | 14:13 |
| lardman | because I want to understand how the system works | 14:13 |
| zap | I think omap can use both SDRAM and SRAM as a framebuffer | 14:13 |
| lardman | yes | 14:13 |
| zap | you just set up the address of it | 14:13 |
| lardman | again, yes | 14:14 |
| zap | and define the parameters of the framebuffer | 14:14 |
| zap | separately for lcd and tv | 14:14 |
| zap | whats' unclear here? | 14:14 |
| lardman | the question of why the N95 maintains two framebuffers with identical contents other than their resolution for one | 14:14 |
| lardman | assuming that is true | 14:15 |
| zap | because the lcd framebuffer is 320x240? | 14:15 |
| lardman | unless the Symbian libs specifically write to a different framebuffer for photos, videos, etc. | 14:16 |
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| zap | lardman: thats why it has a separate framebuffer for tv, if it's true | 14:16 |
| lardman | otherwise it just seems like a bit of a waste to have to effectively use a 640x480 framebuffer and have to downscale everything so it can go on the LCD too | 14:17 |
| glass | lardman: they can do that | 14:18 |
| zap | as far as I understand, the OMAP's lcd encoder can't take a 640x480 image and downscale it to 320x240 | 14:18 |
| glass | lardman: specifically write to the tvout | 14:18 |
| zap | like epson chip can | 14:18 |
| lardman | anyway, it doesn't matter | 14:18 |
| zap | that's my point | 14:18 |
| lardman | I've probably not exaplained why I want to know well enough | 14:18 |
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| lardman | interesting /* 2048 x 2048 is max res supported by OMAP24xx display controller */ | 14:25 |
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| pupnik | ?! | 14:25 |
| hrw | lardman: time to make dvi output? | 14:25 |
| lardman | no idea | 14:25 |
| lardman | in display.h | 14:25 |
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| lardman | what's the difference between GFX, video1 and video2 layers? | 14:27 |
| lardman | they appear to just be 3 framebuffers, why the different names? | 14:28 |
| RST38h | moo, all | 14:28 |
| RST38h | lardman: got to hacking OMAP2? =) | 14:28 |
| lcuk | probably primary usage - normal desktop, gfx overlay1and2 | 14:28 |
| RST38h | video* layers are most likely YUVs | 14:28 |
| lardman | RST38h: looking at it | 14:28 |
| lcuk | video^ | 14:28 |
| lardman | ah yes, different colorspaces that may well be it | 14:29 |
| zap | as far as I understand the Epson chip was added because OMAP doesn't support more than 640x480 | 14:30 |
| zap | maybe 2048x2048 is max resolution that fits in some register | 14:30 |
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| zap | but doesn't really work | 14:30 |
| lardman | zap: that was my understanding too | 14:31 |
| Robot101 | there's not enough display bandwidth to use the video1 and video2 layers to show full-screen yuv | 14:35 |
| Robot101 | it will shear | 14:35 |
| Robot101 | the Xomap code does mystic shit and configures the epson chip to do its own overlay, and then writes areas of YUV data into the GFX layer | 14:36 |
| Robot101 | it's all very exciting | 14:36 |
| Robot101 | :) | 14:36 |
| lardman | :) | 14:36 |
| hrw | lardman: pxa27x has 3 framebuffers too | 14:37 |
| lardman | ok | 14:37 |
| hrw | lardman: one can be used to display hardware cursor | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, yuv mode seems to work quite nicely for me at 800*480 :) | 14:39 |
| Robot101 | until you clip it, because the epson chip can't do a colourkey'd overlay, only a rectangle | 14:40 |
| lardman | ok, so we will need to enable the display controller | 14:40 |
| Robot101 | if you're playing a full screen video and pop up a menu, it will skip two frames I think, and then play more slowly | 14:40 |
| lcuk | thats because the menu is in the same overlay | 14:41 |
| Robot101 | uh... no | 14:41 |
| lcuk | and also, when playing movies usually the dsp is active and it slows the cpu down | 14:41 |
| Robot101 | what, by blocking on IO on the DSP gateway? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | menus intefere with the xv overlay - the same occurs with the silly notification message thing | 14:42 |
| lcuk | no, the cpu itself clocks down | 14:42 |
| Robot101 | yes, but I just explained the mechanism of interfering | 14:42 |
| Robot101 | it's because when it's doing a full screen overlay, the X server writes YUV data into what's meant to be the OMAP's RGB layer, then gets the epson chip to decode it directly onto the LCD | 14:42 |
| zap | lardman: I guess omapfb driver does that when loaded | 14:42 |
| Robot101 | but that has to be a rectangular area | 14:42 |
| Robot101 | if you pop an menu up, and the overlay area becomes clipped (ie not a rectangle), it has to move the overlay back onto one of the OMAP's two video layers | 14:43 |
| lardman | zap: not sure what happens on the tablets yet | 14:43 |
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| Robot101 | which are slower, because the decoding is done on the OMAP and RGB data (ie, more per frame) is sent down the display bus | 14:43 |
| zap | lardman: well, somewhere there must be the code to enable it. And my guess it's in the framebuffer driver | 14:43 |
| lardman | oh, I've got the code, I'm just wondering what needs to be done | 14:44 |
| lardman | I had hoped the TV encoder stuff would be seperate and could be enabled on its own | 14:44 |
| lcuk | robot, which overlay gets moved? the one my app is writing to or the menu iteself? | 14:44 |
| zap | have you tried to build the .ko and modprobe it? | 14:44 |
| lardman | no, I can't see it working that easily | 14:44 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:45 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: the video is the overlay, it gets moved between the OMAP decoding it when it's clipped, and the epson chip decoding it when it's not clipped | 14:45 |
| zap | well the omapfb driver could get some data through the platform_data structure | 14:45 |
| zap | some hw-specific stuff | 14:45 |
| lcuk | Robot101, but the memory locatin i write to does not change in my software.. | 14:45 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yeah, X has to copy it | 14:46 |
| lcuk | the omap2 lcd driver itself isnt doing much on this device because we evolved from the 770 model with external fb | 14:46 |
| lardman | does the omap lcd controller do anything at all on these devices? | 14:46 |
| Robot101 | but that's still faster than doing the YUV unpacking on the OMAP and trying to send the full-screen RGB video through the display bus to the hailstorm | 14:47 |
| lcuk | i dont think so | 14:47 |
| zap | I guess there are devices where it's doing something :) | 14:47 |
| lcuk | i think when the 800 came out they tried to use the sram as a buffer | 14:47 |
| Robot101 | er, yes, it does... | 14:47 |
| MaceN95 | word | 14:47 |
| zap | by the way, you may want to take a look at latest MontaVista kernel | 14:47 |
| zap | it could contain a improved omapfb driver | 14:47 |
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| Robot101 | it's still Xomap, it just uses the hailstorm chip for some extra misc (and displaying on a larger screen) | 14:48 |
| zap | lcuk: I don't see how you can use SRAM as a buffer for a 800x480 picture | 14:48 |
| * zap wonders how Xomap does refresh through the Epson chip | 14:48 | |
| lcuk | zap, nor do i "...they tried.." | 14:48 |
| zap | I don't even see how you can try :) | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | the framebuffer's not mapped into main memory, every screen update has to be pushed from the omap to the hailstorm | 14:48 |
| lcuk | fanoush was saying something about a complex bit of code which mapped one plane onto the SRAM | 14:48 |
| zap | its just simple arithmetic: 800*480*2=768k | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | I don't know where the hailstorm maintains its framebuffer though | 14:48 |
| lcuk | but in chinook and diablo its been simplified again and all planes are in SDRAM | 14:49 |
| zap | what is hailstorm? | 14:49 |
| Robot101 | the epson chip | 14:49 |
| lcuk | Robot101, mapped from main memory to the lcd controller, the omap2 internal lcd controller is not included in this | 14:49 |
| zap | ah ok | 14:49 |
| zap | the epson chip has a internal memory buffer | 14:50 |
| zap | 768k iirc | 14:50 |
| zap | e.g. just enough for 800x480x2 and not more :) | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: oh right, the lcd controller on the omap itself is not involved | 14:50 |
| lardman | but what about the display controller, is that powered up? | 14:50 |
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| zap | of course not | 14:50 |
| lardman | shame | 14:51 |
| zap | it would eat the battery | 14:51 |
| zap | you enable it if you need it | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | dispc? yes, that's used. | 14:51 |
| lardman | unless it does something useful | 14:51 |
| zap | SoCs usually have means to disable every sub-chip | 14:51 |
| lardman | Robot101: even on the Nokia devices? | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | yes | 14:51 |
| lardman | what does it do? | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | overlays, acceleration, the usual display controller stuff | 14:51 |
| lardman | on the Nokia devices? | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | yes | 14:51 |
| zap | N810 is a Nokia device? | 14:52 |
| lardman | ok, that's useful then | 14:52 |
| Robot101 | Xomap <-- OMAP. O M A P display controller. it's not Xepson or Xhailstorm or Xblizzard, it's Xomap. :D | 14:52 |
| zap | Thats why I wonder about the refresh | 14:52 |
| lardman | naming means little though ;) | 14:52 |
| Robot101 | but Xomap also has some nokia specific hacks in it to do some extra stuff with the epson chip :) | 14:52 |
| zap | thats it | 14:52 |
| lardman | fine, that makes life easier then | 14:52 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha6F2L5ePQ8 Ween - Baby Bitch [song] | 14:53 |
| Robot101 | like migrate full-screen overlays to it to decode, and sync vblanks and stuff | 14:53 |
| Robot101 | it's quite an effort in squeezing the most out of the hardware, I think. but daniel stone could tell you more about that :) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i thought Xomap was graphics map? | 14:54 |
| lardman | I'd assumed that the Epson contained both a video and lcd controller - they are afterall combined on the omap | 14:54 |
| lcuk | not omap as in our processor :) | 14:54 |
| zap | no | 14:54 |
| Robot101 | no, it's omap as in the chip from TI with a display controller which that X server controls :) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | lardman, the older discrete components used to do one job, the omap24xx just puts everything on one | 14:54 |
| lcuk | well how does it work with our epson? | 14:55 |
| lardman | I have to look at the Nokia kernel code now I have an idea of how the TV out works | 14:55 |
| lcuk | ie we tell the epson to rotate using xomap | 14:55 |
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| zap | epson is absolutely unrelated to the omap, it just can receive framebuffer data over the bus and thats all | 14:55 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: it has extra N8x0-specific hacks in it, as I said | 14:55 |
| lcuk | yes zap - agreed, im confused about Robot101s assertion that its specifically to do with omap | 14:56 |
| zap | it's kind of like the SiS USB TV-out thingy | 14:56 |
| zap | just faster :) | 14:56 |
| Robot101 | it's entirely to do with omap. it also had code added to know how to use the epson to do the lcd control | 14:56 |
| Robot101 | it's still using the omap for almost every drawing operation and stuff | 14:56 |
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| zap | What drawing operations can omap perform? | 14:59 |
| zap | I was assuming it's IVA involved with drawing, and thats not used | 15:00 |
| zap | and neither the powervr accelerator | 15:00 |
| lcuk | all ops so far as cpu bound :( | 15:01 |
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| Mace` | hm | 15:01 |
| Mace` | i wonder how pb got qt to install | 15:02 |
| Mace` | er.. not install. build actually | 15:02 |
| Robot101 | zap: actually I think they're mostly useless to X because the accelerated operations take longer to set up and do than just doing them in software, so as lcuk says I think most stuff is just done by the CPU | 15:02 |
| Robot101 | zap: the theory is nice, but OMAP2's aren't /that/ good | 15:02 |
| Mace` | i've been trying to build it in scratchbox and it doesn't seem too friendly :) | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | Mace`: qt4.garage.maemo.org | 15:02 |
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| Mace` | x-fade - those are the bins.. but someone had to build it from src somewhere | 15:02 |
| Robot101 | their YUV colourspace implementation is broken too, the X server has to swizzle the bits as it writes to the overlay layers. it's all kinds of funny. | 15:02 |
| zap | Mace`: who's pb? | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Mace`: I do that at the moment on that autobuilder ;) | 15:03 |
| Mace` | i was trying to build it in scratchbox | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | *the autobuilder | 15:03 |
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| Mace` | hm... it didn't work.. kept giving me qmake errors | 15:03 |
| Mace` | :) | 15:03 |
| Mace` | i always though building qt would build qmake during the configure | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | It does. | 15:04 |
| Mace` | qt.garage.maemo.org doesn't seem to be up | 15:04 |
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| Mace` | then why isn't it working .. hm... let me try again and see what i can figure out | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | Mace`: Try these sources. I'm building those at the moment. | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/sources/ | 15:04 |
| Mace` | maybe it's a problem with the latest src :) | 15:04 |
| lcuk | Robot101, the twizzling you mention is just the interleaved format the lcd expects. the iva could quite easily convert rgb to this yuv format (or yuv->yuv) | 15:04 |
| Robot101 | yeah, the iva would've been nice. | 15:05 |
| Mace` | i am trying to build just a base kde | 15:05 |
| Robot101 | but istr daniel saying the pixel format wasn't even the one it said in the spec :) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | you are right about lead time for small operations, however for full frame conversions and strechblits it will be invaluable | 15:05 |
| Mace` | and split all the programs up | 15:05 |
| Mace` | into seperate debs that i can host on a repository | 15:05 |
| lcuk | then just work to the planar yuv that xv uses and forget the odd conversion - leave it as it stands | 15:06 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: I think this was the dispc's "acceleration" being sucky, I'm sure the IVA would help if they could've used it | 15:06 |
| Mace` | instead of it being a huge tarball with a lot of apps that are well.. duplicated | 15:06 |
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| Mace` | and for the love of god.. put something in it other than konqueror | 15:06 |
| Mace` | it's an ok file browser.. but its web capabilities suck :) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | Robot101, you sound very negative about utilising it. either you know something we dont (as in EOL) or you are just too negative for your own good :D | 15:07 |
| Mace` | you have to love 108M of source :) | 15:09 |
| lcuk | Mace`, especially for a 51kb binary | 15:10 |
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| Mace` | haha | 15:10 |
| Blastur | how do I use the agps utility? am i suppose to do anything after starting it? i have an active network connection, and also run the map program .. | 15:10 |
| Mace` | it'd be awesome if i could get this to work | 15:10 |
| Mace` | and make a kde repository :) | 15:10 |
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| hrw | Blastur: point somewhere where you life | 15:11 |
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| Mace` | i wish debian was a little more functional | 15:11 |
| Mace` | once they get the bt tethering and sound working without a hitch it's an obvious replacement for maemo altogether | 15:12 |
| hrw | Mace`: debian or debian/nit? | 15:12 |
| Mace` | sorry... nit-debian | 15:12 |
| hrw | Mace`: now better | 15:12 |
| Mace` | ? | 15:12 |
| hrw | I use debian since 2000 or even 1999 | 15:12 |
| Blastur | hrw: can i zoom the map in agps util somehow? i put the crosshair as good as i could, but its not exactly high precision .. should this improve Time to fix? still getting 0 satellites | 15:12 |
| Mace` | maybe they should call it tebian | 15:12 |
| Blastur | im just not sure if the agps program is actually doing anything | 15:13 |
| Mace` | :) | 15:13 |
| hrw | Blastur: it gives ~300km precision which shoud be enough | 15:13 |
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| hrw | Blastur: but how it improve... thats not mine problem | 15:13 |
| Mace` | 19% [======> ] 20,742,144 22.84K/s ETA 16:06 | 15:13 |
| Mace` | wow that's slow | 15:13 |
| * zap seen yesterday debian' gzip source package to depend on mingw32.tar to build (~26Mb download) | 15:14 | |
| lcuk | blastur, if you have no sats showing that means you are not on earth | 15:14 |
| lcuk | try again when you return | 15:14 |
| zap | or when he returns from hell | 15:14 |
| Blastur | lcuk: huh? i can assure you im on earth :) | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | (or go outside and hold aloft your mighty n810 | 15:14 |
| Mace` | did they actually do major changes to the source on garage.maemo in this builder dir? | 15:14 |
| * zap wonders if GPS works in the hell | 15:14 | |
| Mace` | or did they just grab the src that compiles without problems? :) | 15:15 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: well, for reasons I'm not entirely sure of, Nokia weren't able to use it on the N8x0s | 15:15 |
| lcuk | zap, only if they have a repeater | 15:15 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: most likely to do with software licensing | 15:15 |
| lcuk | Robot101, most likely due to not using any of the underlying video aspects at full res | 15:15 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: I don't know whether the IVA's any good or not, it probably would've been very useful, were they able to use it :) | 15:15 |
| lcuk | and not worth redeveloping it all themselves to work with the epson | 15:15 |
| zap | Robot101: all computer pirates will go to hell, everybody knows that. So they have no probs with licenses | 15:15 |
| Robot101 | I think the IVA part of the OMAP isn't from TI, so there's all sorts of driver/spec IPR cross-licensing nightmares, and then you mix in linux and it was more than maemo could solve | 15:16 |
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| Robot101 | but anyway, time for me to get going | 15:16 |
| lcuk | the iva is just another arm chip - just like the dsp | 15:16 |
| Robot101 | cya | 15:16 |
| jott | Mace`: qt4 on garage has some "major" changes when compiled with -hildon | 15:16 |
| lcuk | byeeeeeeeeeeee | 15:17 |
| Mace` | jott - i see.. was just wondering | 15:17 |
| zap | it could be "just another ARM chip" with a extended instruction set | 15:17 |
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| Mace` | you have to actually set the flag? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | yer zap it does | 15:17 |
| Mace` | like ./configure -hildon | 15:17 |
| zap | or perhaps with a custom firmware? | 15:17 |
| jott | Mace`: vanilla qt4 just needs one change. | 15:17 |
| jott | Mace`: yes, look at debian/rules on what is done for the package. | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | zap, its similar to the dsp (which is also an extended arm core) | 15:18 |
| Mace` | jott - i will ... just trying to build it at all right now.. i still have to figure out how to split all the pkgs up and still install properly | 15:18 |
| lcuk | all these extra arms and none of the can give us a helping hand :( | 15:19 |
| Blastur | btw | 15:19 |
| Mace` | i mean.... qt/kdebase/kdelibs should all go together | 15:19 |
| Mace` | but the rest could be added later | 15:19 |
| Mace` | in different debs on the repository | 15:19 |
| jott | Mace`: ?! it is a split build already, just use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 15:19 |
| Blastur | is there anyway to reset the navigator program so i can do another 5 day trial period ? :P last time i activated, i was unable to get a fix so it was wasted completely.. now i get my new BT GPS tomorrow, so i hope i can get the map running finally | 15:19 |
| jott | ah you speaking of kde4? | 15:20 |
| Mace` | no.. kde 358 (penguinbait's) | 15:20 |
| jott | Mace`: kde 3 will not compile with qt4...... | 15:20 |
| Mace` | that's the pkg i used to install it.. it's a 1G install with a ton of programs | 15:20 |
| Mace` | doh! | 15:20 |
| jott | Mace`: just grab the debian or ubuntu kde3 and qt3 packages, they compile with minor changes. | 15:20 |
| Mace` | would kde4 even run on an n800? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | back later | 15:21 |
| Mace` | i know they kind of raped kwin and turned it into a vista type 3d interface (crap) :) | 15:21 |
| jott | Mace`: sure. not worse than kde3. | 15:21 |
| jott | Mace`: compositing stuff is optional. | 15:21 |
| Mace` | i wonder if it would build in scratchbox | 15:21 |
| jott | Mace`: not out of the box, there are some squriks with gcc 3.4.4 | 15:22 |
| Mace` | hm... my coding skills are not good at all.... i'll get both platforms and see how far i can get | 15:22 |
| Mace` | "squirks" ? :) | 15:23 |
| jott | Mace`: quirks :) | 15:23 |
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| Mace` | hm | 15:23 |
| Mace` | well.. lets see what i can do and maybe i might be able to rape the kde code well enough to actually get it to do something | 15:24 |
| Mace` | once i get the base .... it should all be downhill | 15:24 |
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| jott | Mace`: kde3 compiles just fine with the debian/ubuntu packages. | 15:24 |
| Mace` | i'll grab the kde3 stuff too just in case this proves to be very unsuccessful | 15:24 |
| jott | Mace`: just take the packages, get the dependencies you like/need and if you are at it push them to extras :) | 15:25 |
| Mace` | i don't understand what you mean by debian/ubuntu packages .... :) they have special debian src somewhere? | 15:25 |
| jott | yes... | 15:25 |
| jott | to make proper debs ... | 15:25 |
| Mace` | where can i find the pkgs? just debian.org? | 15:26 |
| jott | yes. i think the ubuntu packages should be a bit better. | 15:27 |
| jott | packages.ubuntu.com / packages.debian.org | 15:27 |
| timeless | hello world | 15:28 |
| jott | zap: btw. have you fixed the bzip2 package? | 15:29 |
| Mace` | these are pkgs though jott... aren't they just bins for ubuntu? | 15:29 |
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| jott | Mace`: no. there are also the source packages. | 15:29 |
| Mace` | does it matter which ver? | 15:30 |
| jott | huh? | 15:30 |
| Mace` | of ubuntu | 15:30 |
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| jott | read the changelogs... | 15:30 |
| jott | hardy is "stable" so.... | 15:31 |
| herwood | hi | 15:31 |
| Mace` | ok.. then i'll start with qt4/kde4 and see what i can do and see what happens | 15:32 |
| herwood | I have a couple of questions related to status bar plugins | 15:32 |
| herwood | does someone know that is it possible to "shut down" and start status bar plugins? If so, how could it be done? | 15:33 |
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| jott | Mace`: i think for kde4 you should use interpid. normal kde4 in hardy is very old. | 15:33 |
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| GAN800 | Ah, gotta love the TSA's security theater. | 15:34 |
| herwood | Maemo's status bar plugin tutorial only says that plugin's init function is automatically called when the library is opened. | 15:34 |
| Mace` | qt4 has qt3 compatibility | 15:34 |
| Mace` | so shouldn't i still be able to build kde3 with qt4? | 15:35 |
| jott | Mace`: no! | 15:35 |
| jott | Mace`: qt3 compatibility just provides some deprecated functions to ease porting qt3 -> qt4 | 15:35 |
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| jott | herwood: untick/tick them in control panel -> panels. | 15:36 |
| Mace` | you know where i could read up on the configure options for building it for maemo? is there a site explaining things like this? | 15:36 |
| jott | things like what?! :O | 15:36 |
| herwood | jott: thanks for the response. What about my own plugins? | 15:37 |
| Mace` | things like the proper prefix dir and whatever else you would have to do in order to build and install it into maemo | 15:37 |
| jott | herwood: if you done everything right they should appear in the list ;) | 15:37 |
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| jott | Mace`: ah, well maemo packaging guideline, debian maintainer guideline and that stuff. there are tons of documentation out there ;) | 15:38 |
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| jott | "maemo packaging policy" that is | 15:39 |
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| Mace` | these are the guidelines for putting them on maemo extras :) | 15:39 |
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| herwood | jott: is there any way to start it from the code? I'm trying to build my plugin so that if its not running when some other program tries to call my program's DBus method, then DBus would start it. | 15:40 |
| jott | Mace`: right, that's where you eventually put your packages. | 15:40 |
| Mace` | i don't want to put them on maemo extras.. i'd rather keep them on my own repository | 15:40 |
| jott | Mace`: anyway, same rules should apply.... | 15:41 |
| Mace` | and i meant the actual building process for the src | 15:41 |
| jott | Mace`: yes debian offers extensive docs. | 15:41 |
| Mace` | for maemo? | 15:41 |
| jott | Mace`: yes 99% of it applies. | 15:42 |
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| Mace` | but i was looking for something that was more specific to maemo on how to properly build and install from src | 15:42 |
| jott | herwood: hmmmm.. not sure how you can start/stop statusbar plugins via dbus. | 15:43 |
| jott | herwood: you could also "hide" it when it is not in use (like bluetooth) | 15:43 |
| herwood | yeah, I was thinking that too | 15:43 |
| herwood | but it should be sure that all status bar plugins are started when the device boots? | 15:44 |
| jott | Mace`: the debian docs should cover the basics. | 15:44 |
| jott | herwood: no, just if it is "ticked" in the control panel. | 15:45 |
| jott | herwood: if you install it, it should be active by default. | 15:45 |
| herwood | jott: my only problem in this case is that what to write to my program's service-file | 15:45 |
| jott | herwood: and if a users does not want to have it running you should respect his choice (imho) | 15:46 |
| herwood | jott: yeah, you got that right | 15:46 |
| Mace` | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/0.9.8/installdoc.html | 15:46 |
| Mace` | :) that's a start i suppose heh | 15:46 |
| Mace` | let me start reading | 15:46 |
| jott | Mace`: you should really start with something smaller than kde :) | 15:46 |
| Mace` | sbrsh: No such file or directory | 15:47 |
| Mace` | see.. stuff like that :) | 15:47 |
| Mace` | jott - but kde is what i want to make... i figure i can learn how to use scratchbox along the way | 15:48 |
| Mace` | kde is an awesome alternative since it has cups support and i've printed from it... i would rather learn how to build the pkgs i want for myself than rely on someone else to build them and hope they work | 15:48 |
| jott | Mace`: understand the basics before you go for something big and complicated ;) | 15:49 |
| Mace` | it would seriously be like having a really small laptop | 15:49 |
| hrw | heh.. | 15:49 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo for forcing devels that the only way of building is via scratchbox | 15:49 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for forcing devels that the only way of building is via scratchbox ! | 15:49 |
| Mace` | configure ; make ; make install isn't that complicated ;) ... the complicated part is figuring out how to use scratchbox | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 15:50 |
| Mace` | i really wish you could just build from the n800 itself... it may take longer but at least you would be building for the enviroment in the actual enviroment | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk doesn't use scratchbox for dev | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | he does everything on the device itself | 15:50 |
| herwood | jott: yeah, I try to figure out that what's the best way of solving my problem. Thanks for your help | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | and scratchbox really isn't hard to figure out... It's just an extra shell... Quite obvious, really | 15:50 |
| Mace` | well... it's hard to figure out if you've never used it before.. might take a couple days to get past the learning curve | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | what learning curve ? | 15:52 |
| jott | Mace`: and you do not "configure && make && make install" to make packages.... | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | Seriously ? | 15:52 |
| jott | crashanddie: if you are new to linux that should be right :) | 15:52 |
| Mace` | jott - packaging comes after the building | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | type scratchbox in a terminal ? use gcc, g++, and whatever just as you would in a normal environment ? | 15:52 |
| jott | Mace`: ... | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, that's where you're wrong. The packaging (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B) actually builds it for you | 15:53 |
| lbt | I think people try and figure out what scratchbox is doing | 15:53 |
| lbt | it's just magic | 15:53 |
| lbt | nothing to see | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | it's not magic, it's easy as pie | 15:53 |
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| lbt | you are clearly sufficiently advanced | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | people don't ask questions how vmware runs Windows inside Linux | 15:53 |
| jott | yummy pie. | 15:53 |
| lbt | to understand how some commands are using cross-compile, some are quemu'ed | 15:53 |
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| Mace` | crashanddie - haha | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | so why do they ask questions about how scratchbox works for armel ? | 15:54 |
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| lbt | I know | 15:54 |
| lbt | that's my | 15:54 |
| lbt | point | 15:54 |
| lbt | it's just magic | 15:54 |
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| lbt | ignore it and use it | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | exactly | 15:54 |
| hrw | hi florian | 15:54 |
| Mace` | just pretend it's a pc that is trying to build src? :) | 15:54 |
| lbt | yes | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, that's exactly what it is | 15:55 |
| lbt | s/trying// | 15:55 |
| florian | re | 15:55 |
| lbt | it works (almost) flawlessly | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | Mace`, Most of the code I've written for scratchbox, is code I took from x86 programs at first | 15:55 |
| lbt | and the instructions are (almost) idiot proff | 15:55 |
| * lbt blushes | 15:55 | |
| Mace` | :-\ i can't code | 15:56 |
| Mace` | i feel like the kid in high school who still can't read | 15:56 |
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| lbt | that's cool | 15:56 |
| lbt | you can read - so read the tutorial | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | you don't have to code to help out | 15:56 |
| lbt | it too is excellent :) | 15:56 |
| Mace` | that's what i'm reading now ;) | 15:56 |
| lbt | (assuming you want to code) | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | there's many ways you can help out | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | coding is just one of those | 15:56 |
| lbt | and ask q's by all means. | 15:56 |
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| Mace` | well. let me start by figuring out how to get scratchbox to configure and build the src ;) bbl | 15:57 |
| jott | Mace`: also take a look at http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf | 15:58 |
| lbt | what is your host OS | 15:58 |
| jott | it covers some basics. | 15:58 |
| lbt | the 4.1 docs are better than the 4.0.1 docs | 15:58 |
| Mace` | i'm usng the vm from indt | 15:58 |
| lbt | url? | 15:59 |
| Mace` | lbt - honest to god i don't even remember :) | 16:00 |
| jott | maemovmware.garage.yaddayadda :) | 16:00 |
| lbt | As well as the PDF jott mentioned, look here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 16:01 |
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| Mace` | wtf | 16:07 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6gWMsC5DzY kick ass... primus playing live | 16:08 |
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| Mace` | argh | 16:16 |
| zap | jott: X-Fade removed it from extras-devel | 16:16 |
| * X-Fade lets out an evil laugh. | 16:17 | |
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| Mace` | ok... one last question.. once scratchbox is installed... is there anything i have to do that is special to get it to actually compile for an arm? i should just be able to start building stuff right away or do i have to do something in sb-menu and set certain things up? | 16:21 |
| jott | Mace`: when you followed the documentation you should have an DIABLO_ARMEL target in sbox. this should give you an virtual arm environment. | 16:22 |
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| jott | zap: you can still make it proper (if not done already ;) | 16:22 |
| Mace` | well.. i actually have a CHINOOK_ARMEL enviroment.... so i'm guessing this vm is outdated | 16:23 |
| Mace` | i'll just set it up on my gentoo box | 16:23 |
| Dibblah | Interesting. Looks like this same 2400mAh cell will work in the N800... | 16:25 |
| Mace` | but after it is set up and set up the target.. then it should be just like you would be building for an armel cpu right? | 16:25 |
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| Dibblah | More disassembly required, of course, since the backplane goes all the way through the N800. | 16:26 |
| jott | Mace`: yes. | 16:26 |
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| Mace` | ok.. thanks ;) i'm going to work on this for a while and see what i can do | 16:27 |
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| zap | jott: I will do it of course, but this evening. It wasn't my fault really, there are other package with the same problem | 16:32 |
| zap | hrw: I tried to install unzip via h.a.m and it worked absolutely without any problems | 16:33 |
| zap | hrw: maybe you had some other unzip installed? | 16:33 |
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| jott | zap: which other packages (remember packages indirectly depending on s-m-i are ok)? they should be fixed too.. | 16:36 |
| zap | jott: tablet-browser-ui for example | 16:37 |
| zap | do a dpkg -S /usr/share/mime/packages/*.xml | 16:37 |
| zap | most packages you will see don't have a dependency on s-m-i | 16:37 |
| hrw | zap: older ver | 16:37 |
| zap | hrw: ah ok, so I must install the older version first | 16:38 |
| zap | hrw: just uninstall it if you just need the task done | 16:38 |
| jott | zap: but most of them indirectly depend on it i suppose. | 16:38 |
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| hrw | zap: will solve that later | 16:38 |
| jott | (hence do not break when installing on a clean sbox install) | 16:39 |
| zap | jott: do a dpkg -r s-m-i and will see 4 packages | 16:39 |
| jott | zap: yes and trace it to libosso-gnomevfs2-0 | 16:40 |
| jott | it would probably be better to have it in the dependencies. that is right. | 16:40 |
| jott | but it should atleast install ;> | 16:41 |
| zap | jott: well they have an advantage: they are all installed by default so they don't really need dependencies :) | 16:41 |
| Mace` | hm... no vmware appliance for diablo it seems | 16:42 |
| jott | zap: yeah and they all depend on libosso-gnomevfs2-0 which is used by almost all base gui apps :) | 16:42 |
| zap | jott: but dpkg-autodep or how's that tool called won't pick s-m-i as a dependency, and it looks like deps in nokia packages are autogenerated | 16:42 |
| jott | yep | 16:42 |
| jott | if postinst uses it, it would be better to have it in the dependencies. | 16:43 |
| zap | yep | 16:43 |
| zap | I thought about it, but since it's always installed on any tablet I thought I can omit it | 16:43 |
| jott | eh evil you :P | 16:44 |
| zap | since Debian policy says you may omit deps on important packages | 16:44 |
| zap | (or how's that keyword called) | 16:44 |
| zap | Fundamental:yes | 16:44 |
| jott | "essential" afair | 16:44 |
| zap | yep | 16:44 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 16:44 |
| liri | does the communication manager (sip and jabber) stores the password/accounts in cleartext? | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | zap: You could discuss it on the -developers list ;) Maybe one of the Nokia guys responds. | 16:45 |
| brontide | liri: yes | 16:45 |
| jott | zap: anyway, as it'll be fixed it's fine :) | 16:45 |
| pupnik | np http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cmK75iy3kw Model 500 (Juan Atkins) - The Flow (1995) - superb.... (song) | 16:45 |
| zap | jott: I'll have to fix all my packages :-P | 16:45 |
| brontide | liri: as well as email and network passwords | 16:45 |
| jott | zap: arg :O | 16:45 |
| zap | no problem anyway since they aren't promoted to extras yet :) | 16:45 |
| liri | brontide: I see | 16:46 |
| liri | brontide: not so wise I guess... | 16:46 |
| Khertan | zap > hum .... many user use extras-devel | 16:46 |
| jott | zap: yeah, well and when you install them on the device all is fine anyway. | 16:46 |
| Khertan | and complain that don't work ... | 16:46 |
| zap | X-Fade: sometimes I just give up and do workarounds :) | 16:46 |
| jott | Khertan: the problem only exists with autobuilder or clean sbox installs. | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | zap: Or you can try to fix things permanently ;) | 16:46 |
| Khertan | zap> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=mCalendar | 16:46 |
| zap | Khertan: those users should know they're asking for trouble | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It can happen that -devel breaks. It is intended for experimentation. | 16:47 |
| liri | I wonder if pidgin also saves account information in clear text | 16:47 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > yes ... i know that | 16:47 |
| brontide | liri: short of a large rewrite there is not a whole lot that can be done. If the system can programatically retreive credentals then someone who wanted to could as well. | 16:47 |
| zap | X-Fade: I will fix them, but unfortunately I'm not a 24h maemo developer :) | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | zap: Don't worry :) | 16:47 |
| * jott rewrites zaps timetable :P | 16:47 | |
| Khertan | X-Fade > and i mainly use with some great user to test before deploying to extras | 16:47 |
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| * X-Fade is thinking of some kind of staging.... | 16:48 | |
| zap | Khertan: I thought you have some new screenshots of a beautiful GUI tehre :) | 16:48 |
| liri | brontide: I hear you pal | 16:48 |
| liri | brontide: I'll see if I can think of a solution for it | 16:48 |
| liri | brontide: I noticed that the device also has a "lock device" option in the shutdown menu, since I got the device 2nd hand and I've no idea what the password is, can I change it without getting myself locked out? | 16:49 |
| brontide | dunno | 16:49 |
| Khertan | zap > actual gui is a bit better ... but not yet :) | 16:50 |
| zap | Khertan: waiting for a killer GUI then :) | 16:50 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > some message like this one don't motive to answer : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=mCalendar | 16:50 |
| liri | whats the default locking code that comes with the device? | 16:50 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: What's up with that? | 16:51 |
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| hrw | Khertan: vect0r is user with lack of knowledge | 16:52 |
| Khertan | maybe i don't understand it well ... | 16:52 |
| hrw | I know him from Polish nit forum | 16:52 |
| Khertan | but i found that it s a bit .... direct | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: The big problem is language. Not being a native speaker and trying to express yourself can be hard. | 16:54 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > true :) | 16:55 |
| zap | not being a native speaker and trying to understand smb can be hard as well | 16:55 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > i 'm one of the best example :) | 16:55 |
| zap | Khertan: you're progressing well | 16:55 |
| Khertan | thx, i do my best :) | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Now imagine 2 of you talking to each other.. | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | :D | 16:56 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:56 |
| zap | or maybe that's just me learning Khertan'ish :) | 16:56 |
| lardman | right, well I've looked at the Nokia kernel code, all very exciting | 16:56 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Sure it is.. | 16:56 |
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| lardman | Looks like starting up the video bit in the omap shouldn't be too hard, but I wonder about how to feed it power and how to setup the audio codec to allow pass through | 16:57 |
| lardman | assuming we'll need to do these, and assuming it will even work | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Maybe if you init it, the tv part signals the audio part? :) | 16:58 |
| lardman | will have to see what the Ti code does with the TWL4030, what it powers up, then see how to do that with the Menelaus | 16:58 |
| lardman | X-Fade: may well be, will have to do some testing | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | lardman: uhu ;) | 16:59 |
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| Khertan | what i found strange is that there is a tool to make theme easily for chinook and diablo ... | 17:01 |
| Khertan | but there is only a few third party theme ... | 17:02 |
| lardman | I'm not sure how much of the display controller is actually turned on, if at all (in dispc.c iirc), will have to see whether any of the functions are called | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Probably because the default theme is ok? | 17:02 |
| Khertan | on other device there is always many themes made by many users ... | 17:02 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > or only a community of dev, that are so bad with design :) | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: With older themes I always installed Tigert's theme. But with the new ones, I don't have to anymore.. | 17:03 |
| zap | X-Fade: is autobuilder using the extras-devel repository? | 17:03 |
| Khertan | zap > i think | 17:03 |
| zap | given that you had problems with bzip2, it should | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | zap: Yes. | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | zap: It uses the sdk and extras-devel | 17:03 |
| zap | X-Fade: I'm just thinking about a kernel-dev package, does it need to be promoted to extras? | 17:06 |
| Khertan | someone have see the mockup of the next version of omweather ? | 17:06 |
| zap | X-Fade: it would contain only kernel headers and makefiles, to help build kmod packages | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | zap: It would only need to be in -devel, right? | 17:06 |
| Khertan | zap > needed if you want to promote you kmod package to extras :) | 17:06 |
| zap | Khertan: no, it would be needed only to build it | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | zap: Or at least until it is tested :) | 17:07 |
| zap | well, the -dev package is needed only for the autobuilder | 17:07 |
| zap | (and in sb of course) | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | there is only an autobuilder for -devel, so .. | 17:07 |
| zap | ok | 17:08 |
| zap | right now there are no autobuilt kernel drivers, right? | 17:08 |
| Khertan | zap > yes ... i was wrong | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | zap: Only where they use a bad hack. | 17:08 |
| zap | which packages? | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | zap: Like compiling the kernel during it.. | 17:08 |
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| zap | hehehe\ | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | zap: Check the fuse one.. | 17:09 |
| zap | oh :\ | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | zap: They didn't have time to do it the proper way, I guess. | 17:09 |
| zap | It would be better if nokia would provide a kernel-dev package | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | zap: I think we need to start with that first. | 17:10 |
| zap | with our own? | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | It is easier to convince the right people if we already have a working solution. | 17:10 |
| zap | ok :) | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | And I guess the kernel patches project would like it too ;) | 17:11 |
| zap | but the modules will be put in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ | 17:11 |
| zap | forget the insane /mnt/initfs thing :) | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | Sure.. | 17:11 |
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| jott | lardman: still convinced that tv out is possible? :) | 17:17 |
| lardman | jott: I may as well give it a go | 17:17 |
| Khertan | lardman > you ve already something ? | 17:18 |
| Khertan | by using a usb<->vga with driver ? | 17:18 |
| lardman | not sure how I'll recognise whether I've messed up the settings/not powered something up vs. the wire is disconnected mind you :) | 17:18 |
| Khertan | i was near to made a video output on my palm tx by changing some setting of the pxa to route data on the audio jack :) | 17:19 |
| Khertan | by i ve never been able to block the audio filter ... | 17:19 |
| lcuk | cotton wool | 17:20 |
| Khertan | s/by/but | 17:20 |
| lardman | yeah, that's the plan, route the data out of the 3.5mm jack | 17:21 |
| jott | hehe just comparing n95 and n810 and seeing that the pin 3 is just connected to the mic on the n810 and to a mic/vid switch on n95 :) | 17:21 |
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| lardman | yeah, that may be an issue ;) | 17:21 |
| jott | so the TLV320AIC33 have to become magically a video converter :P | 17:21 |
| lardman | jott: Well the diagram may be wrong, or X-Fade may be | 17:22 |
| Kegetys | just solder the extra wire there | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Don't you put this on me ;) | 17:23 |
| jott | X-Fade: you started all this :P | 17:23 |
| lcuk | apt-get install little_wire_bridge_fromx2324_to_3434-dev | 17:23 |
| lardman | yeah, you did suggest it; I'm easily suggestable | 17:23 |
| lcuk | lardman, did you know your wallet is not used enough. theres a way to make full use of it y.... | 17:24 |
| lardman | yeah, Holly does that one ;) | 17:24 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:24 |
| jott | but i really can image the schematics are wrong, imagine all the level 3 service people wondering about the extra lines :P | 17:24 |
| lcuk | women the world over | 17:24 |
| jott | can't | 17:24 |
| jott | "arrrrr this line is wrong! i cut it! :)" | 17:25 |
| lardman | jott: we are just going from that comment on the N95 docs, could the data be routed some other way perhaps? | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i have a hard time imagining that these devices get to level 3.. | 17:25 |
| jott | lardman: no. from pin 3 backwards :) | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | jott: I really don't think they will ever attempt to fix a board if it is broken. Just throwing it in the bin is cheaper. | 17:25 |
| lcuk | but jott is right, if the docs say no, its highly likely they are right | 17:25 |
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| jott | (of the audioplug) | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Well, I'm not scared to solder a wire bridge ;) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, i used to work in a coin mech company - and even though the boards were cooked and were all SMT we still had an assembly repair and test line - primarily to find out why the machine was spewing out bad mechs | 17:26 |
| jott | hah first n810 hardware mod :) | 17:26 |
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| * lcuk learnt how to remove SMT chips with a hotair dryer and a lot of wick | 17:27 | |
| zap | and with a lot of lcuk | 17:27 |
| lcuk | :D well i did used to eat more pies | 17:28 |
| lcuk | now theres not so much lcuk | 17:28 |
| zap | more peas? | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | hey lardman, i just had to impliment ean13 printing into our software. the boss looked at me all strange when he came asking and i was profient in the format and had an encoder to hand | 17:29 |
| lardman | lol | 17:29 |
| * lcuk is never proficient at spelling though :( | 17:29 | |
| lcuk | ill test it with yours later :P | 17:29 |
| lardman | I hope you said you looked at the docs for 5min and wrote the code straight off ;) | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | lol | 17:30 |
| RST38h | not wrote, TYPED IN THE CODE straight off! | 17:31 |
| lardman | in machine code! | 17:32 |
| jott | with only the toes! | 17:32 |
| Anunakin | Any got firefox for qt4 sources? | 17:32 |
| jott | while eating pie. | 17:32 |
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| jott | Anunakin: the are linked in the blog afair. | 17:33 |
| Anunakin | I cant open this link http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ | 17:33 |
| jott | Anunakin: it's a garage page. be patient! :) | 17:33 |
| timeless | um.... it used to work. garage is probably /.'d | 17:33 |
| jott | Anunakin: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/index.cgi/mozilla-qt | 17:34 |
| timeless | romaxa was foolish enough to include a binary tarball on the site | 17:34 |
| timeless | i suspect everyone's trying to download it and killing the server.. i considered slapping him when i saw the link | 17:34 |
| * timeless leans over and slaps romaxa | 17:34 | |
| RST38h | Go for the kill | 17:34 |
| Anunakin | jott: Thanks !! | 17:35 |
| * RST38h is regenerating test data for 900+ tests | 17:35 | |
| lardman | what is ape? | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | monkey audio codec? | 17:36 |
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| lardman | hmm, jott, have you looked at the N800 schematics? | 17:38 |
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| jott | lardman: mh not specifically | 17:44 |
| lardman | just wondering if those lines might be connected on an n800 | 17:44 |
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| jott | if only it was not that blurry :P | 17:46 |
| lardman | It's blurry is it>? | 17:46 |
| jott | i wonder if there are vector based ones leaked :) | 17:47 |
| lardman | need to ask Qwerty :) | 17:48 |
| jott | not here atm :/ | 17:48 |
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| jott | man i feel like drunk looking at this pixelblurrytext :) | 17:49 |
| lardman | need some CSI-style sharpen filters ;) | 17:49 |
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| timeless | ok, sorry.... i've updated the link | 17:49 |
| jott | haha :) | 17:49 |
| timeless | hopefully eventually the server will come back | 17:49 |
| timeless | romaxa says that browser.garage usually dies when we post something | 17:50 |
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| jott | or maybe a couple of pint will improve the brain sharpen filter :> | 17:50 |
| jott | qwerty12: do you know if there are vector based (i.e. readable) n800 schematics leaked? :> | 17:50 |
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| qwerty12 | jott, no :(. I looked to no avail | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Although if anyone is good with graphic files, I saved the N800 schematics in tiff if anyone wants to sharpen them up | 17:52 |
| jott | qwerty12: i think its pretty useless with the omap chart :) | 17:52 |
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| jott | lardman had the idea of csi like filters :) | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :(. Any suspicions that it is leaked? if so, I'll start searching :) | 17:53 |
| lardman | or you could try waving your fingers in front of your face :) | 17:53 |
| jott | or drink a couple of beer :) | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Alas, I can't. cigarettes don't give the same feeling do they? (gotta love british law, I can smoke legally, just can't buy it) | 17:54 |
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| lardman | well the lcd controller TV stuff is all grounded at least | 17:55 |
| * qwerty12 reads logs | 17:56 | |
| lardman | yuck, I see what you mean about the omap | 17:56 |
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| Knowledge | Anyone know of any apps that relate to Ham Radio? | 17:59 |
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| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia Quim replied again | 17:59 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: don't start smoking | 17:59 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: trust me, im trying to quit | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | trickie|work, yeah, I'm just playing, never smoked and never plan to :) (although i've had benson and hedges large in my hands)... | 18:00 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: good :) | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | :) | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | lol | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | I always find it funny when people say "don't start, I'm trying to quit" | 18:02 |
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| trickie|work | crashanddie: so did i until it was me | 18:02 |
| trickie|work | but i guess everyone says that | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | that's like saying "dude, you know, smoking really is awesome, it's so good, and so great, I just can't stop, no matter how hard I try. But yeah, it sucks, don't start" | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | jott doesn't by any chance run a translation service? :P | 18:03 |
| * qwerty12 is on a German site | 18:03 | |
| qwerty12 | google translate it is | 18:03 |
| trickie|work | i really wish someone has physically and violently stopped me from starting though... instead of just saying 'one day you will knwo what i mean...' | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, link ? | 18:03 |
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| crashanddie | trickie|work, that's stupid | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, http://nokiaport.de/ | 18:04 |
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| crashanddie | trickie|work, if someone "physically and violently" prevented you from smoking, you would've started anyway | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, what do you want to know ? | 18:04 |
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| trickie|work | crashanddie: maybe maybe... but if they went to the trouble of punching me, then i might have thought there was more passion in their motivation for stopping me :) | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, just sentences as I see them :). I see some schematics was leaked from that site so I'm looking there | 18:05 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: but yes, everyone has to learn themslevwes | 18:05 |
| trickie|work | the hard way | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | trickie, you don't have the passion to quit, what makes you think anyone believes you when you say you have the passion to prevent someone starting | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | trickie|work, "do what I say, not what I do", right ? | 18:06 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: absolutely :) | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | I say, fuck it, I smoke, I don't see why I would prevent anyone from doing it. I love it, I'm happy smoking, ignorance is bliss. | 18:07 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: for sure, each to their own, enjoy :) | 18:08 |
| trickie|work | can't get a beer and have a smoke at any places anymore though | 18:08 |
| trickie|work | a damn shame | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | true that | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | one of the most popular bars in Montpellier (french town) is on the edge of closing, because the smoke-ban is really killing them off | 18:09 |
| trickie|work | they need to start a 'church of smokers' | 18:10 |
| trickie|work | like they did in holland | 18:10 |
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| crashanddie | because people aren't allowed to smoke inside, they take their drink, and go outside... So the neighbours call it in because of the disturbance, and they have to close every night at 10 or 11 | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, no idea if this helps a slight bit, http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=pinout_n95av | 18:10 |
| trickie|work | get around the ban for religous reasons | 18:10 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: thanks, I've got that | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | could anyone slexy dpkg -l *gstreamer* on their NIT ? | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Oh, sorry | 18:14 |
| lardman | np, thanks for trying | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | From what I understand, do you need omap2420 schematics or something else? | 18:15 |
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| lardman | n800 schematics | 18:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | re | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, ones that don't fcuk up at high zoom? | 18:17 |
| lardman | on page one of those schematics, the microphone is not directly connected to the headphone jack, there's a sort of switchy thing in between. Anyone know what that is? | 18:17 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah | 18:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | an audio filter ? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | which schematics? | 18:18 |
| lardman | n800 | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | link ? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, if you need any, let me know | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | I've got a collection | 18:18 |
| lcuk | lol - why doesnt that surprise me :P | 18:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | n800 is outdated lardman ... check possibility with n810 :) | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I was the one who found the N810 ones first :P# | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, because he's a northerner living is East London ? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Well, probably not first but I publicised them here :P | 18:19 |
| lardman | Khertan_n810: the n810 appears to not have them connected | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | lardman, link ? | 18:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG | 18:19 |
| lardman | crashanddie: you'll have to talk to qwerty12 | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | could anyone slexy "dpkg -l *gstreamer*" on their NIT ? | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, tried looking in the level 1&2 service manual for n800? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, hook me up please (is the first one free?) | 18:20 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, all of his stuff is free if you promise to keep him posted during the summit | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, can you link me, too ? | 18:21 |
| lcuk | with what im planning im hoping morepeople can be "at" the summit | 18:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > hum ... and what are u planning ? | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you're right, get back to work | 18:22 |
| lcuk | :) khertan | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, va falloir attendre un poil avant de le découvrir :) | 18:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... i don t like waiting ... | 18:23 |
| lcuk | well khertan, it involves n8x0s cameras irc channels and servers amongst other things | 18:23 |
| * lcuk hopes he pulls it off | 18:23 | |
| Khertan_n810 | hum can t found any link between camera and irc ... | 18:24 |
| lcuk | failing that theres always normal single user mode :) | 18:24 |
| trickie|work | lcuk: sounds great :) | 18:24 |
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| * lcuk is having the most peaceful week at real work this week. ive not been this productive in a while - cow orker is off all week \o/ | 18:25 | |
| Khertan_n810 | lucky you are | 18:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | i get the most perturbing week in the year as i m the only one from the dev team | 18:26 |
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| lardman | has anyone got a USB TV tuner working btw? | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, someone got a dvb-h tuner working | 18:29 |
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| lardman | that's mobile TV? | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | I think so, let me drag up the link | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17704 | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Guy's documented his stuff quite well in my opinion | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | lardman, switzerland or amsterdam ? | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | amsterdam | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | lardman, what was your question again ? On page one ? | 18:32 |
| lardman | yeah, page one find the microphone and go left | 18:33 |
| lardman | there's a block between the microphone and HOOKDET lines | 18:33 |
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| mranostay_work | hello | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | lardman, I found audio, but not mic | 18:34 |
| hrw | bye | 18:35 |
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| mranostay_work | is there anyway to easily disable the sidebar panel and title bars(WM fix i know)? | 18:35 |
| lardman | bye hrw|gone | 18:35 |
| lardman | crashanddie: rhs half way down | 18:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12: was that the n800 schematics you uploaded there,...? I don't think so | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, please, pm me instead | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, lol... You told me to open Amsterdam... But Amsterdam has GPS :P | 18:36 |
| lardman | crashanddie: have another look in a minute, you need the n800 ones not the n810 ones | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, oh, my bad | 18:37 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: ah, DVB-T is too heavy decoding-wise | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | lardman, DVB is only mpeg2, surely the NIT could manage that, no ? | 18:39 |
| lardman | no idea, just going from the comments in the thready qwerty linked to | 18:40 |
| lcuk | it can barely drive its own screen | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: With massive bandwith.. | 18:40 |
| lcuk | imgine decoding a movie to play and then reencoding it | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | *bandwidth. | 18:40 |
| lardman | Anyone tried a usb video card? | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | At 720x576, that is alot.. | 18:41 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... vnc ? :) | 18:42 |
| lardman | vnc needs another computer though | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | lardman, looks like some kind of switch | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | hmmmm switch? :D | 18:43 |
| lardman | well that was what I was wondering, perhaps it allows something else to be fed to that pole of the jack | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | ah, found what it is | 18:44 |
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| crashanddie | look on the line that comes out of GPIO_3 | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | it says MIC_SEL | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | basically, that block allows to select what it uses as mic input | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | so it can select to use the inbuilt mic or the headphone one | 18:46 |
| lardman | ah, nothing too exciting then | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | nope | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | So, you had me doing all that just to say it wasn't exciting?!? :P | 18:46 |
| * qwerty12 goes on strike | 18:46 | |
| lardman | :D | 18:46 |
| lardman | sorry | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, I'm only joking, I'll do whatever I can to help :D :) | 18:47 |
| lardman | I wonder if analogue TV would be a better bet for a usb decoder | 18:47 |
| lardman | just the bandwidth then, no decoding to do | 18:47 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: dvb-h would be a more likely candidate. | 18:47 |
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| lardman | why's that? | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman, this still on the principle there might be video out on the 2.5mm jack ? | 18:48 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yeah | 18:49 |
| lcuk | isnt there a secret data port at the bottom of the stylus tube? | 18:49 |
| lardman | s/2.5/3.5 | 18:49 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Lower bandwidth, made for mobile. | 18:49 |
| lcuk | that outputs fibre signals | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | lardman, if this schematic is correct, I can definitely confirm there's no video connected to it | 18:49 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: analogue will have higher bandwidth, but there's no decoding overhead | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | (why do I feel breaking the bad news is never good for the karma) | 18:50 |
| lardman | yeah | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: dvb-h is doable, for sure. | 18:51 |
| lardman | X-Fade: what's your take on video out of the 3.5mm jack then? | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | lardman: It would be cool, but I'm not sure it is possible at all. | 18:52 |
| lardman | hmm :) I thought you'd seen it in action? | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I never said that. | 18:53 |
| lardman | ah, I must have misheard | 18:53 |
| lardman | -read | 18:53 |
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| lardman | ah well, it was interesting to learn about it anyway | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | what are avilma and betty btw ? | 18:54 |
| lardman | the 2 Nokia chips | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | IC's (whatever that means :P) | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | It would be good to get a definitive answer anyway.. | 18:55 |
| lardman | integrated circuits | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=partlist_bb5 | 18:55 |
| jott | we could connect the tv out pins on the epson :> | 18:56 |
| lardman | major surgery though | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | btw, are we supposed to be looking at these Nokia "COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL" schematics, lol ? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia Phone modders have been doing for years | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | I've read the sony ericsson service manual for my W810 | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Infact, I've got a friend that leaks them out for sony ericsson phones. | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | guys | 18:58 |
| jott | noone said we read this crashanddie :P | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | look at page 3 | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Amsterdam, or How_To? | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | How_To | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | there's "Display Controller" | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | about halfway through the component, on its left side | 18:59 |
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| jott | crashanddie: that's what i just suggest crashanddie with lardman obvious response :) | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | there's a bunch of TVOUT, that are grounded | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | that wouldn't exactly be major surgery | 19:00 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, if they're just grounded... | 19:00 |
| lardman | crashanddie: the omap display controller can also do TV out | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | [Top Gear] how hard can it be ? [/top Gear] | 19:00 |
| lardman | crashanddie: and that's what we were looking at before | 19:00 |
| jott | lardman: i guess it is easier to use the epson actually if you really want to mod it ;) | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Probably a lot better than the Epson chip, knowing how crap Epson are... | 19:00 |
| jott | qwerty12: but the epson is fully documented ;) | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | jott, mind pm'ing me links? | 19:01 |
| jott | oh the epson specs are official | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | oh, ok, thanks | 19:01 |
| * qwerty12 searches for the epson used | 19:02 | |
| jott | http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40 | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | cheers | 19:02 |
| lardman | I don't want to do hw modifications, might as well use a usb vga adaptor, I just wanted something to plug and go | 19:02 |
| jott | lardman: when the mod is ready, then it is plug and go :> | 19:02 |
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| lardman | yeah, I guess so, but is there enough space to stick in another 3.5mm jack, etc,? | 19:02 |
| jott | crashanddie: you are welcome to try :) | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | jott, looking at the amsterdam schematics right now | 19:03 |
| * crashanddie finally feels his electronics degree servers him :D | 19:03 | |
| crashanddie | -r | 19:03 |
| jott | lardman: yeah well you could do the same as the n95 and connect a couple of TS5A6542 :) | 19:03 |
| * qwerty12 feels like I should take one | 19:04 | |
| lardman | usb-vga adaptor | 19:04 |
| Knowledge | No one really into ham radio huh? | 19:04 |
| jott | actually the n95 schematics should make it possible to properly connect a tv out to the omap :P | 19:04 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, Sounds like Graham Cobb's sis usb-vga stuff. I know Nokia put that module into the diablo initfs... | 19:05 |
| lardman | jott: let's hope Nokia look at them as they design the next tablet ;) | 19:05 |
| lardman | qwerty12: yep, exactly | 19:05 |
| * qwerty12 bets they wont | 19:05 | |
| * lardman hopes they will | 19:05 | |
| crashanddie | 360 degree videos... w00t http://demos.immersivemedia.com/ | 19:05 |
| jott | please, not another omap2 lardman :P | 19:06 |
| lardman | anyway, home time, back to GPS stuff me thinks | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Aww, I was quite enjoying this :( | 19:06 |
| lardman | jott: true, bring on the omap3xxx | 19:06 |
| * Khertan_n810 oO° | 19:06 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: yeah, me too :) | 19:06 |
| lardman | cu chaps | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 19:06 |
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| jott | bye lardman|gone | 19:07 |
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| crashanddie | From what I can see, avilma and betty are the chips that do all the battery/power management | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | retu and tahvo in finnish I believe. This app gets its battery data straight from those chips: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ | 19:14 |
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| crashanddie | heh :D I'm good :D | 19:15 |
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| Khertan_n810 | putain ! | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll be crazy with this gdata api | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | some parameters aren't documented ! | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | no type ... | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | "start_index" : the start index | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | great doc ! | 19:19 |
| jott | hehe reminds me of gtk docs :) | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah but there is some many open source software using gtk that we can look in it too find what we need | 19:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | not the case with gdata | 19:20 |
| jott | there must be a bunch of apps using gdata or? | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, by now, a lot of apps must be using it :/ | 19:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | a lot ? | 19:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | some stupid script ... | 19:22 |
| jott | what do you want to do? | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | and commercial apps | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | not many open source apps | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | set the start index parameters ! | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | on a gdata.calendar.service.Query | 19:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | query.start_index = 1 ... 400 bad query | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 19:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lo zanshin | 19:26 |
| zanshin | hey Stskeeps | 19:26 |
| zanshin | it's been a while :) | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, from the polish mountains to a camping wagon on a music festival in .dk :P | 19:27 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: i'm gone again immediately, but a new version of mCalendar didn't show up in my app manager today | 19:28 |
| aquatix | you said you uploaded it, so maybe something went wrong | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | zanshin: how far did you manage to get with the things? | 19:28 |
| zanshin | sounds better then painting a house :) | 19:28 |
| aquatix | gotta run now though | 19:28 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: good luck with the API ;) | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | aquatix > extras-devel ? | 19:28 |
| aquatix | ah, devel | 19:28 |
| aquatix | good point | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:28 |
| aquatix | will try that, thanks :) | 19:28 |
| aquatix | laters! | 19:29 |
| zanshin | Not much. The weather was good the last week, so I've been painting. | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll not validate it until i m sure | 19:29 |
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| crashanddie | I don't have the tools I need to open my n810 at the moment, so I can't access the S1D13745A01B20B chip ATM. I'll try to pick up some better tools one of these days, but I have no idea where they're going to sell those | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, ask in any phone repair shop | 19:30 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, cool, thanks | 19:31 |
| jott | probably just a bunch of torx screwdrivers :) | 19:31 |
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| crashanddie | Well, I didn't think I'd need my mcguyver set when moving to the UK, frankly | 19:31 |
| * qwerty12 hates torx. The set I got was dodgy, I only opened my K750 after a friend gave me his | 19:31 | |
| crashanddie | Why can't they all stick with good old philips screwdrivers | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Alas, they don't want you opening it up :( | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | Well, I bought it | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | They give me 3/4 of the OS open source, why can't I access the hardware itself ? | 19:33 |
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| crashanddie | if OpenMOKO was just better hardware I might jump on their boat | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | and if they weren't all in TAIPEI xD | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | Most of the code open sourced in maemo land isn't directly to do with the hardware :(. All I can think of is the kernel and xomap-xserver | 19:34 |
| MangoFusion | from what i have heard, openmoko is even worse than maemo from a usability standpoint ;) | 19:34 |
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| t_s_o | well, if nokia suddenly announced that they would be scrapping maemo for something QT based, things would be interesting ;) | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, did you notice, that How_to.pdf is only page 200-209 | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, which means there's a lot we're missing out on :D | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :D | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, Read original yet? | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | oh, no, wait | 19:37 |
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| jott | if you are lucky the flex connector is fully wired :) | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, oh, just reread your message properly. doh, let me see | 19:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | t_s_o> interesting for u | 19:40 |
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| t_s_o | Khertan_n810: sorry? | 19:41 |
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| t_s_o | ah, i forgot about writing it like this: "interesting"... | 19:41 |
| Dibblah | Does anyone know if the code for MMC / SD access on the N770 is using hardware features, or is it just GPIOs? | 19:41 |
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| Dibblah | ie if I can scavenge an extra 3 GPIOs, can I use nibble mode? | 19:42 |
| Luria | off to defcon :-) bbs | 19:44 |
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| crashanddie | jott, I doubt it's wired, considering it's grounded | 19:45 |
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| crashanddie | jott, worse yet, it's grounded with a bunch of other outputs | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | jott, I can't say anything at this time without seeing the actual chip though | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | Do they have Wifi in Heaven ? | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie, I can kill you and then you can tell us on #maemo | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | The Church should play it smart, I mean, Muslims get 99 virgins (they didn't specify male or female though :D), so they have incentive to be badass for their religion | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | But what do we get ? The promise of floating on a bit of condensed water for eternity ? | 19:47 |
| * qwerty12 is a Muslim, but I'm not religious so I guess 99 virgins is out for me :P | 19:48 | |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 19:49 |
| shackan | what the hell, garage is down again? | 19:49 |
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| qwerty12 | shackan, must be, it was going slow for me about 10 mins ago :( | 19:49 |
| jott | shackan: i would wonder about the contrary :O | 19:49 |
| shackan | meh | 19:50 |
| shackan | I need python tough | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | I mean, shit, reformulate that... "Smoke as much as you want, you'll never get sick, and it's free, free wifi, our tubes are unlimited and you always have 100% signal strength, you can play all your favourite MMORPGs 24/7, and still have time to socialise with your mates" and on the other hand "if you go to hell, your NIT will never have any battery left, wifi will always be good enough to get an IP address, but never any | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | actual data, and your MMORPG character will get bashed/spawn killed ALL THE TIME" | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | That's the way to get the geek community back in Church | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, MMORPGs?!? | 19:51 |
| lbt | so long as they can explain why god != imaginary friend then I'll listen... | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | Give the geeks some free wifi in Church, so they can google/slashdot/twitter what they hear in there, and get the wine flowing, too | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time for a peanut butter sandwich :P, brb | 19:52 |
| lbt | with jelly? | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, God will retaliate when the time comes by making you listen to all those sermons you chose not to listen to when you were on your NIT :P | 19:52 |
| jott | i bet internet in heaven is filtered as hell :P | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | That's like 2/3's of the world's websites gone :P | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Think the proxy in heaven supports POST? | 19:55 |
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| oilinki | I suppose hell would offer much better websites in that case | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | so true... | 19:56 |
| jott | it's a transparent proxy redirecting everything to www.vatican.va :) | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:57 |
| jott | so for all eternity you will reload and won't be allowed to curse :P | 19:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Alas, I don't know if Heaven can stop my swearing :D. I swear too much >.< | 19:58 |
| jott | i think you'll be better off with just the usual death = nothigness :> | 19:58 |
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| oilinki | well, with buddishm you can always get factory reset and reboot .. and start over again | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | It'd be kinda funny, like, if the after life is completely different than what everyone says | 20:02 |
| jott | oilinki: just check your karma an maemo.org before you die :) | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | it's not nothing, it's not reincarnation, it's not heaven or hell | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | now that'd be funny | 20:03 |
| jott | ...it's the matrix :X | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | cuz nobody could say "HAH ! I TOLD... wait" | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Hey, if I get to do all those matrix moves when I die, I aint complain | 20:03 |
| jott | well only problem you won't realize any of this as your brain stops working ;) | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, you're 15 and spend your days in front of a computer, the only way you'll be doing funky matrix moves, is if hit by a train/car | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, come east london beef ting, we'll decide there whos doing matrix moves :P | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | haha, I'll eat you up mate | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | sure you will bruv, lol, deres a firearm shop near me :P | 20:05 |
| jott | take a camera and make a live stream! "crashanddie vs. qwerty12" | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, you're 15, you're not even allowed to look at it... But I'm 22, thanks for the pointer | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | jott, but it would be broadcasting for only a few seconds as I shove crashanddie's head into the camera :P | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, sure, you don't even know where to start | 20:06 |
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| jott | ah, you are in london, we have enough cameras spotting at you anyway ;) | 20:07 |
| lardman | jott: what are your thoughts on maemo-barcode? | 20:07 |
| lardman | rm_you: you about? | 20:07 |
| jott | lardman: in which regard? | 20:07 |
| lardman | jott: direction | 20:07 |
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| jott | hm i would like to see it a bit modularized so it is pluggable in different frameworks (qt, python bindings, etc). | 20:08 |
| lardman | do we have someone working on some web integration to use the ean/isbns from the 1D codes? | 20:08 |
| lardman | ah ok, so you just want a backend? | 20:09 |
| jott | yes. just for the cv part. | 20:09 |
| jott | i think handling of web stuff is a matter of the toolkit language anyway. | 20:09 |
| jott | toolkit and/or language | 20:09 |
| lardman | I need to do some work on the stacked 1D codes (pdf417 iirc), I'm not sure what the status of the QR codes is, but the datamatrix stuff is far too slow imo | 20:09 |
| lardman | jott: would be good to progress from a test app to something with a use, if someone can see one | 20:10 |
| lardman | ;) | 20:10 |
| crashanddie | oh, btw, I used my NIT to hack Vista :P | 20:10 |
| jott | yeah, well i'd rather use qt for anything gui and network related ;) | 20:11 |
| crashanddie | You know the ability Vista has to log someone in using facial recognition ? | 20:11 |
| lardman | jott: hmm | 20:11 |
| lardman | jott: ok, well we can pull the analyse_image() and all subfns out into a library I guess, then just wrap that | 20:11 |
| crashanddie | Well... Taking a picture of the lawful owner of the laptop, and displaying it fullscreen, right in front of the webcam was quite enough to get access to the computer :P | 20:11 |
| jott | lardman: yep, i think this could also help with python bindings. | 20:12 |
| lardman | crashanddie: lol | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie, Wow, it must be crap if the NIT's camera outfoxed it :P | 20:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, heh :D | 20:12 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, I used to have a Siemens fingerprint mouse. Some German site found out that sellotape was enough to remove that threat :D | 20:13 |
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| lardman | my new sirfstar3 gps is pretty good, had it on in the office with no lock, then sat on my balcony and as soon as maemo-mapper came up it had a 3D fix | 20:14 |
| lardman | pleasant surprise | 20:14 |
| crashanddie | lardman, n810 or n800 ? | 20:14 |
| lardman | n810, but doesn't matter, it's a bt one | 20:14 |
| crashanddie | aye | 20:14 |
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| crashanddie | how much did you pay for it ? | 20:14 |
| lardman | £25 | 20:15 |
| crashanddie | nice | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | J? | 20:15 |
| lardman | yeah, built-in drove me mad in Chicago, had to get something that works | 20:15 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, yes | 20:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12? | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, but what is J? I only understand GBP, USD and EUR :). And Yen. | 20:15 |
| oilinki | lardman: what kind of setting do you use with the bt-gps and tablet+maemo mapper? | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | He said £ | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | POUNDS | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | the fucked up L | 20:16 |
| lardman | ah, sorry, does this produce J? £ | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, font must be fcuked up then, I got a J :) | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | nope | 20:16 |
| lardman | gbp anyway | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | £25 is very decent | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | lardman, you buy stuff in GBP in the US ? You're not that smart, are ya :P | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | lardman, so... in USD... You paid it something like $500 ? | 20:17 |
| crashanddie | :D | 20:17 |
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| lardman | oilinki: set maemo mapper to bt and make sure the control panel applet is bound to the external gps | 20:17 |
| oilinki | seems like the gpsd does not start every time when I start maemomapper, which says 'searching for gps receiver' | 20:17 |
| lardman | oilinki: set it to bt with no mac | 20:17 |
| oilinki | lardman: are you able to use other gps-programs, like gps_saver at the same time? | 20:17 |
| lardman | then set the gps via the control panel/status bar applet | 20:17 |
| lardman | oilinki: I can use m-mapper + map, so yes | 20:18 |
| oilinki | hmm. I tried some combinations. sometimes I needed to start the gps_saver before mapper, sometimes not. | 20:18 |
| lardman | oilinki: the status bar bit should start gpsd, then anything can use it | 20:19 |
| oilinki | shouldn't the mapper start gpsd when it starts? | 20:19 |
| Toba | yes | 20:19 |
| lardman | oilinki: depends how you set it up, if you leave the bt map clear, it uses the proper way to start it up | 20:19 |
| lardman | otherwise it's a private connection and nothing else knows about it | 20:19 |
| oilinki | lardman: ok, thanks, I need to understand it a bit better. basically I wish to have the gpsd to look for receivers (bt, and internal) and then serve the information to other apps. | 20:20 |
| zap | How to create a .source.changes file from a .dsc file? Is that possible? | 20:20 |
| zap | or alternatively, can dput upload just a .dsc file? :) | 20:21 |
| crashanddie | oilinki, at some point, I used SSH to forward the GPSD data to other stations | 20:23 |
| oilinki | actually it would be great if the maemo-mapper would be able to first check if there is bt-gps available. if not, then use the internal gps. | 20:23 |
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| lardman | oilinki: that's a specific requirement for you though, not generic | 20:24 |
| lardman | oilinki: well at least if we had a decent internal chipset it wouldn't be generic anyway ;) | 20:24 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: shouldn't it be the other way around, so that that the other apps on other devices connect to gpsd ? | 20:25 |
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| lardman | so, location awareness in the built-in IM, how does one do that? | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | oilinki, nope, I wanted my laptop to have access to the GPS data | 20:26 |
| oilinki | lardman: yeah :) I love the maemo-mapper, but when using it with the internal gps in the car, the device have to be on the front window all the time. | 20:26 |
| lardman | oilinki: it's just a 3 tap change iirc | 20:26 |
| lardman | oilinki: tbh until the inbuilt gps is very very sensitive a BT one makes more sense - easier to place somewhere with a good view of the sky as you say | 20:27 |
| lardman | oilinki: likewise when walking around | 20:27 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: maybe I missunderstood the gpsd, but I tought that it would do that. get infomation from the chip and offer it to external apps. | 20:27 |
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| crashanddie | oilinki, gpsd is configured to only accept localhost sockets, nothing remote | 20:29 |
| oilinki | lardman: true. with a car or walking, external gps is almost a must. | 20:29 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: ah. but why? | 20:29 |
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| crashanddie | oilinki, at the time of my research, I didn't find how to change this behaviour, so I just tunneled the port through to another host using SSH | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | oilinki, security, battery ? I don't know why it's configured that way | 20:30 |
| crashanddie | oilinki, on the other hand, I wouldn't want everyone on the same network as me to have access to the GPS data, at least, no by default | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | not** | 20:31 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: it should be possible to start gpsd with a switch to enable the network, though how to get libgpsmgr to do this I don't know | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | lardman, yeah, that's exactly the problem I had, SSH was just an easier solution | 20:31 |
| lardman | yep | 20:32 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: ok. I understand the reasons. | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | Though, writing a small proxy shouldn't be that hard | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | I even recall making one, don't know if I still have the source code though | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | But the way to go here would be to delve into the configuration and get it to open up by itself | 20:32 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, you should've worn underpants ! | 20:34 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, "On operating systems that support D-BUS, gpsd can be built to broadcast GPS fixes to D-BUS-aware applications. As D-BUS is still at a pre-1.0 stage, we will not attempt to document this interface here. Read the gpsd source code to learn more." | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | :D | 20:42 |
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| rm_you | crashanddie: neat | 20:59 |
| * jott scrubs his eyes | 20:59 | |
| rm_you | ack late for lunch appointment | 20:59 |
| rm_you | lol jott | 20:59 |
| jott | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.build.log.OK.txt :O | 20:59 |
| rm_you | ooo qt4 :P | 20:59 |
| jott | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt lol | 21:00 |
| jott | not much space left :p | 21:00 |
| Anunakin | any sucess on build a firefox-qt4 .deb ? | 21:01 |
| jott | not tried yet | 21:01 |
| rm_you | wait firefox CAN be built on qt?! | 21:02 |
| rm_you | odd | 21:02 |
| rm_you | N E ways, bbl | 21:02 |
| jott | since yesterday ;) | 21:02 |
| jott | read the planet dude! :) | 21:03 |
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| Anunakin | yeah... firefox under qt4.4 | 21:04 |
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| jott | Anunakin: what's the problem with the build btw? followed the steps on the wiki? | 21:09 |
| Anunakin | jott: this? http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild | 21:18 |
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| jott | Anunakin: yes. but as i said, i haven't tried it yet. | 21:19 |
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| Anunakin | OK ... I lets try it | 21:22 |
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| AndrewfBlack | Hello | 21:36 |
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| lardman | hi AndrewfBlack | 21:39 |
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| zanshin | what's the easiest way to get rid of documentation that is installed with a debian package? | 21:45 |
| jott | zanshin: docpurge on maemo already takes care of this | 21:46 |
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| zanshin | It's not maemo :) | 21:46 |
| zanshin | it's debian | 21:46 |
| johnx | docpurge on debian :) | 21:48 |
| jott | dpkg-query -L foopkg should tell you which files are installed by foopkg. | 21:48 |
| zanshin | thanks | 21:48 |
| zanshin | johnx, what package do you use for the onscreen keyboard? I can now boot into a xfce4 session, but I don't have a keyboard. | 21:49 |
| johnx | matchbox-keyboard IIRC | 21:50 |
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| ds3 | ' | 22:02 |
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| Dibblah | Is there any good way someone can think of to benchmark battery performance on an N770? | 22:19 |
| GAN800 | there really aren't any comprehensive ones. | 22:21 |
| zanshin | johnx: I can't find docpurge? where or what is it? | 22:22 |
| GAN800 | 4-6 hours wifi/heavy usage, ~8 hours moderate-light usafe, ~24 hours wifi idle, ~1-2 weeks completely idle. | 22:22 |
| jott | zanshin: docpurge just does rm -rf /usr/share/doc/ && rm -rf /usr/share/man/ && rm -rf /usr/share/info/ | 22:23 |
| zanshin | ah ok thanks | 22:24 |
| johnx | oops, guess I got confused with localepurge (which actually exists in debian and also may be of interested) | 22:25 |
| jott | how about a "metapurge" that purges all this stuff at once? :) | 22:27 |
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| jott | slim down debian to 15mb :> | 22:27 |
| johnx | emdebian? | 22:27 |
| johnx | :) | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | rm -rf / | 22:27 |
| johnx | rm -rf GAN800 ? :P | 22:28 |
| * GAN800 is stuck on the tarmac at the wrong airport and pissy. | 22:28 | |
| johnx | you're on a plane right now? O_o | 22:28 |
| GAN800 | Yeaj | 22:29 |
| GAN800 | s/j/h/ | 22:29 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Yeah | 22:29 |
| GAN800 | Sitting here, waiting. | 22:29 |
| GAN800 | for another hour. | 22:30 |
| johnx | madness! The internet really is everywhere | 22:30 |
| GAN800 | EDGE | 22:30 |
| GAN800 | It's really not, though. | 22:30 |
| johnx | aaah...your crankiness is understandable :) | 22:30 |
| Dibblah | I see about 12 hours with wifi on. | 22:30 |
| GAN800 | Come to find cellular coverage is ridiculously spotty in California | 22:31 |
| Dibblah | ... With my 2400mAh cell. | 22:31 |
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| GAN800 | Dibblah, OS2006? | 22:31 |
| Dibblah | Yeah. | 22:31 |
| GAN800 | Ah, well. | 22:31 |
| GAN800 | No wifi PSM in os2006 | 22:31 |
| Dibblah | http://pendor.org/shared/N770-Battery/scaled/ | 22:32 |
| GAN800 | upgrade to one of the HEs for better wifi idling. | 22:32 |
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| pupnik | has anybody built/ported Hedgewars yet? | 22:39 |
| pupnik | man so much to read | 22:40 |
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| GAN800 | pupnik, we need an 'learning by osmosis' machine we can sleep on. | 22:47 |
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| hrw | re | 22:50 |
| * hrw tests SD emulation in qemu | 22:50 | |
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| smackpotato | anything of value going on today | 22:51 |
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| dannym | does anyone know how to get rid of the error with the error message "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory"? | 22:51 |
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| jott | pupnik: hedgewars uses opengl :( | 22:57 |
| hrw | qemu n8x0 emu can use SD cards directly | 22:57 |
| lcuk | hrw, the emulator you have - does it fully emulate the epson graphics chip, or is this partly why you want the basic fb support? | 22:57 |
| hrw | lcuk: compile it and try by yourself | 22:58 |
| hrw | lcuk: I am not familiar with internals | 22:58 |
| lcuk | ill have a look into it | 22:58 |
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| jott | lcuk: it has some basic blizzard support. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | jott, but no xv im betting? | 23:01 |
| hrw | lcuk: want liqbase in it? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | im just thinking how "complete" the emulation is | 23:02 |
| lcuk | or beyond the ARM binary support, does the system run thinking it is an 810 or just an arm machine running maemo | 23:03 |
| hrw | n810 or n800 depends on qemu select | 23:03 |
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| jott | lcuk: it it pretty much a n8x0 | 23:04 |
| jott | it is | 23:04 |
| jott | there are most likely things missing | 23:04 |
| jott | but those should be considered as bugs :) | 23:04 |
| hrw | no bt, no wifi for now | 23:05 |
| hrw | and one sd card instead of two | 23:05 |
| lcuk | yesi understand :) just trying to get my head around it | 23:05 |
| jott | i thing wifi will be quite hard :P | 23:05 |
| jott | think | 23:05 |
| lcuk | hrw, and no glowing LEDs! | 23:05 |
| * lcuk will not miss them | 23:05 | |
| jott | hrw: what have you done to get usb network support? | 23:06 |
| hrw | 22:06 hrw@home:MAEMO$ sudo ~/devel/OH/test/qemu/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -kernel diablo/zImage -net nic,model=usb,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0,script=/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/scripts/poky-qemu-ifup,downscript=/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/scripts/poky-qemu-ifdown -mtdblock /home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/build/MAEMO/diablo.qemuflash -serial vc -m 130 -usb -show-cursor -M n810 -usbdevice net:0 --show-cursor -sd /dev/slsd | 23:06 |
| hrw | thats whole command which I use | 23:06 |
| hrw | it give diablo system with n810 emulation + using real SD card as SD card + usb networking + visible cursor | 23:07 |
| hrw | network is usb0 on maemo side and tap0 on host side | 23:07 |
| jott | ah i bet imissed the -usb | 23:07 |
| jott | -usbdevice net:0 | 23:08 |
| jott | ok thanks will try later | 23:08 |
| hrw | lcuk: XVideo support is present | 23:08 |
| mikkov_ | i have glxgears running at 10 fps :) | 23:08 |
| hrw | at least xvinfo returns that | 23:08 |
| hrw | mikkov_: wow, quake3 will be next? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | cool, nice one hrw :) | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ut99 plz thx | 23:08 |
| lcuk | i was playing last night and i wanted to use my 810 for weapon swap with icons | 23:09 |
| mikkov_ | hrw: oh yeah. for some reason glxgears is only gl-app which runs | 23:09 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, how many steps to get ogl on the device? | 23:10 |
| jott | ut99 with software renderer should run ok shouldnt it? | 23:10 |
| jott | quake2 runs more or less smooth so.. | 23:10 |
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| mikkov_ | lcuk: you now I so tired that I can't remember. And it doesnÃ't evn work completely :( | 23:11 |
| lcuk | hrw, the n800 extensions to qemu means i cannot just install and run qemu on windows and run the 800 emulator from there can i? | 23:11 |
| mikkov_ | but I think it was pretty simple after all | 23:11 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, :) ive spent the last year feeling like that | 23:11 |
| lcuk | but you persevere and make things work the best you can (especially if it personally matters) | 23:12 |
| * lcuk goes hunting | 23:12 | |
| mikkov_ | autobuilder seems to be full ;) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | jott - what do you recconm the chances of using the DSP for ogl rendering are? | 23:12 |
| jott | lcuk: ogl is quite heavy. | 23:13 |
| jott | ogl es might be in reach. | 23:13 |
| lcuk | yer, well most of the frameworks are heavy | 23:13 |
| lcuk | but a reference implementation could be put together? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | should i mention it to lardman :D | 23:14 |
| jott | lcuk: heavy in the sense that it takes several man years to implement a opengl complient library. | 23:15 |
| jott | look at mesa :) | 23:15 |
| lcuk | gulp | 23:15 |
| hrw | lcuk: if you have recent qemu built for windows then you can use n8x0 emul | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ahhh hrw, i thought you actually modified the qemu source to manipulate the end machine type | 23:16 |
| lcuk | my misunderstanding | 23:16 |
| zap | hrw: about your problem with zip.... didn't you have zip3 installed? zip conflicts with zip3 and won't install | 23:16 |
| lcuk | so, its like vmware but for various processor types | 23:16 |
| hrw | lcuk: I patched qemu to get Diablo working | 23:16 |
| lcuk | but diablo/chinook are software running on the same hardware - qemu shouldnt have needed changing should it? | 23:17 |
| hrw | Nokia-N810-23-14:~# dpkg --get-selections |grep zip | 23:17 |
| hrw | unzip install | 23:17 |
| jott | lcuk: partition sizes differ | 23:17 |
| jott | (which are hardcoded in qemu) | 23:17 |
| hrw | lcuk: qemu does not use nokia bootloader but jumps to kernel directly | 23:17 |
| zap | hrw: so actually no zip is installed and it won't install? | 23:17 |
| hrw | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/u/unzip/unzip_5.52-14-maemo3_armel.deb Size mismatch | 23:18 |
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| hrw | thats why | 23:18 |
| zap | %-O | 23:18 |
| zap | ok | 23:18 |
| hrw | who played with packages without regenerating Packages files? | 23:18 |
| zap | Packages are regenerated seldom | 23:18 |
| hrw | still same after 'apt-get update' | 23:19 |
| hrw | ~curse extras repo | 23:19 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, extras repo ! | 23:19 |
| zap | let's wait until tommorow, then I'll bug X-Fade :) | 23:19 |
| zap | hrw: actually its not extras, its extras-devel | 23:19 |
| hrw | anyway | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | hrw - ahhh that makes more sense now, so its not a complete emulation of the full hardware but a reference cpu/memory system which you fire off in the right way. | 23:25 |
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| hrw | lcuk: it is emulation of machine with some features not emulated | 23:26 |
| jott | lcuk: qemu emulates quite some n8x0 specific hardware parts. | 23:26 |
| hrw | lcuk: not emulation of cpu alone | 23:26 |
| hrw | lcuk: if it would be emulation of 'reference cpu/memory system' then clean maemo image would not boot | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | ill dig deeper later than | 23:28 |
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| hrw | lcuk: you do not have battery info other then 'less then 1 hour', no wifi, no bt | 23:28 |
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| hrw | lcuk: and it is a bit slow too | 23:28 |
| hrw | gives you lot of debug infos | 23:29 |
| hrw | tahvo_write: LCD backlight now at 3 / 127 | 23:29 |
| hrw | for example | 23:29 |
| hrw | or blizzard_reg_write: The display must be disabled before entering Standby Mode | 23:29 |
| lcuk | ahh so that would be where the real system would expect to alter the backlight i gather | 23:29 |
| jott | hrw: makes you curse at maemo sometimes :> | 23:30 |
| hrw | and it alters BL but you do not see it | 23:30 |
| lcuk | set it to zero and clsoe your eyes :D | 23:30 |
| lcuk | close | 23:30 |
| hrw | lcuk: I get black screen with 0 bl | 23:32 |
| hrw | lcuk: there are two levels of BL: 0 (black) and any other | 23:32 |
| lcuk | heh - dont tell rm_you that | 23:33 |
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| hrw | :D | 23:35 |
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| hrw | ah - there is no sound too | 23:36 |
| hrw | at least I did not get it running | 23:36 |
| lardman | lcuk: opengl on the dsp sounds bad as the update rate is pretty slow, perhaps for optimisation of some of the maths, I don't know | 23:37 |
| lardman | night all | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | lol i was joking - just with you running off on the video trek and easily sidetracked :P | 23:37 |
| lcuk | damn | 23:37 |
| * lcuk should look at the screen | 23:37 | |
| RST38h | too late | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | today has been looooooooong. ive had the missus ring up after electrocuting herself. twice. and having to repair/dry out all the electrical stuff/throw some away/teach eldest how to take stuff apart (i got him finding the laser). now youngest has just brought me buzz lightyear with a broken arm. | 23:39 |
| * lcuk might outsource his fatherly duties | 23:39 | |
| * lcuk wants to code funstuff in the daytime | 23:40 | |
| jott | you should train your childeren to become codemonkeys so you can assign tasks to them :P | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | :) i think jake will when hes older. luke isnt patient enough | 23:41 |
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| jott | lcuk: how old where they again? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | 6 and 13 | 23:43 |
| jott | with 13 he should have written alot of programs by now :P | 23:43 |
| Kegetys | get them to learn programming, that should keep them occupied | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | no, luke (eldest) hasnt got the patience - bikes cars skateboards girls are more his thing | 23:44 |
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| jott | hehe you have done something wrong educating him *scnr* | 23:45 |
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| jott | use your second change :P | 23:45 |
| jott | chance | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | heh, no lukes gonna be ok - hes very interested in medical | 23:46 |
| lcuk | jake is more laid back | 23:46 |
| lcuk | quite happy and comfortable using the computer | 23:46 |
| Kegetys | 6 is good age to learn BASIC | 23:46 |
| jott | or logo if that is still around ;) | 23:47 |
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| * jott pets the turtle | 23:47 | |
| lcuk | Kegetys, few other things to deal with first | 23:47 |
| * lcuk has buzz lightyear in pieces | 23:48 | |
| * lcuk feels like a doctor | 23:48 | |
| RST38h | The doctor will see you now! | 23:48 |
| hrw | jott: LOGO on 8bit Atari had 5 turtles ;D | 23:48 |
| lbt | I think I've still got my Buzz - I was working at SGI when it came out... | 23:48 |
| lcuk | im actively pondering porting hypercard properly to liqbase by the way :) | 23:49 |
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| RST38h | heh | 23:49 |
| lbt | I still don't have a multi-boot device - Chinook won't boot | 23:49 |
| RST38h | does it do .txt, .pdf, and comix already? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | txt yes | 23:50 |
| lcuk | pdf, if rm_you's base pdf->jpeg works nicely, then kindof yeah, comix??? in jpeg format? | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | brb | 23:51 |
| RST38h | comix, in whatever format they exist, would be natural to have | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i say jpeg because thats the only format i can read so far :P | 23:53 |
| chelli | zap: you broke the autobuilder, six times state UNKNOWN in row, i wonder what this is know? ;-) | 23:54 |
| zap | ? | 23:54 |
| * chelli is subscribed to the autobuilder mailinglist ;-) | 23:54 | |
| zap | bzip2 this morning? | 23:55 |
| chelli | it just listed unzip, zip, zip3, 2x tar and gzip all mails in the last hour | 23:56 |
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| chelli | zap: but you are at least not the only one who sees very weird behaviour of the autobuilder, i uploaded a new package, canola-flickr-plugin on tuesday, the build went fine, but it somehow just disappeared | 23:57 |
| RST38h | zap: btw, are you maintaining command line zip or the file manager plugin too? | 23:58 |
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| zap | RST38h: I'm preparing a release of XArchiver, but can't release it until all command-line archivers are fine | 23:58 |
| zap | RST38h: I've separated the file manager thingy from the unzip package | 23:58 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo for not handling modules in proper way | 23:58 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for not handling modules in proper way ! | 23:58 |
| zap | not sure if it's needed | 23:58 |
| chelli | zap: until now the package is not in the repository, just to be sure i did 2 additional uploads, but with the same result | 23:58 |
| hrw | lack of depmod... modules in non standard place... | 23:59 |
| RST38h | zap: cool | 23:59 |
| hrw | argh | 23:59 |
| RST38h | zap: the file manager thingie is confusing | 23:59 |
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| RST38h | zap: it uncompresses zpip into the same directory but isn't telling what it is doing | 23:59 |
| hrw | fsck | 23:59 |
| zap | RST38h: well I've at least added a statusbar popup to it, but I'll wait anyway for Daniel (the author of the thingie) to review my changes | 23:59 |
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