| lcuk | Blafasel, is your ssl slow? and if so under what circumstances: when you are sat at the 810 connected out, or when the 810 is idle and you are connected to it | 00:01 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: Pardon? SSL? | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | ssh even | 00:05 |
| Blafasel | No, I was just commenting on GNUton's issues with the autobuild upload | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | mxr.maemo.org down? | 00:06 |
| GNUton | It late...and I'm tired.. good night people! | 00:07 |
| lcuk | :) fair enough | 00:07 |
| jott | Stskeeps: looks like it. | 00:07 |
| jott | timeless: ^^ :) | 00:07 |
| GAN800 | oh hell | 00:08 |
| GAN800 | Is that really the logo they picked? :/ | 00:08 |
| Blafasel | Ah, well. A matter of taste ;) | 00:08 |
| GAN800 | So glossy and gross | 00:09 |
| jott | GAN800: looks like.. my first though was "add a beta and it's an average web2.0 logo" :p | 00:09 |
| Blafasel | You're evil ;) | 00:09 |
| jott | just mean :P | 00:09 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, jott. :\ | 00:09 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Marketing... | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | I was really pulling for the mobius strip | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | This has nothing cool about it | 00:10 |
| GAN800 | There's no story | 00:10 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Well, actually.. there is a story.. | 00:11 |
| GAN800 | Oh well, guess I shouldn't have been touring the Apple campus if I wanted a voice. | 00:11 |
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| GAN8001 | Stupid EDGE | 00:14 |
| bef0rd | where is the new logo? | 00:15 |
| GAN8001 | Dropped at 'There is a story..' | 00:15 |
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| jott | bef0rd: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/4/48/Maemo.org_logo_contest_glaoliver_1.png | 00:15 |
| bef0rd | heh, thanks jott | 00:16 |
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| X-Fade | jott: You really have to see the mockup picture with the merchandise. It grows on you.. ;) | 00:17 |
| X-Fade | Or not.. but hey.. | 00:17 |
| jott | X-Fade: i saw it. i don't dislike the logo but *imho* there where much better ones. | 00:18 |
| X-Fade | jott: I'll be wearing another t-shirt at the summit ;) | 00:18 |
| jott | :) | 00:18 |
| jott | khertans proposal http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png ? ;) | 00:21 |
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| X-Fade | Heh.. | 00:21 |
| bef0rd | lol | 00:21 |
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| jott | maybe it's just the gradient that is bad about it :) | 00:25 |
| Blafasel | Ah c'mon. It's not that bad. I prefered a differrent one as well, but it's okay | 00:25 |
| Blafasel | And really, I'd never refuse a free T-Shirt ;-p | 00:26 |
| qwerty12 | What if the T-Shirt had "Beat the **** out of me" on the back? | 00:27 |
| Blafasel | Try it and send me one. I'll take pictures! | 00:27 |
| jott | http://www.h-master.net/web2.0/image/(reflect)mæmoBETA.png :P | 00:27 |
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| Blafasel | (Though not everywhere in Cologne) ;-p | 00:27 |
| Blafasel | jott: harhar! That's _really_ mean | 00:28 |
| qwerty12 | Blafasel, :P, tempting... | 00:29 |
| Blafasel | Add a subtitle in quotes: "Still waiting for the PowerVR driver.." in italic script. I'd call it perfect then ;) | 00:29 |
| jott | "I wanted PowerVR driver, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" | 00:30 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 00:31 |
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| Blafasel | "I wanted packet injection, but I'm patient: It's beta after all" | 00:31 |
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| Blafasel | GAN800: What's up with the connection? EDGE and that bad? | 00:32 |
| * lardman will have to look at how much T-shirt printing costs | 00:32 | |
| GAN800 | EDGE at the edge of coverage | 00:32 |
| lcuk | cafe press do bulk rates i believe | 00:32 |
| GAN800 | cafe press is shit | 00:33 |
| GAN800 | worse than shit | 00:33 |
| lardman | lcuk: there's a place in Bath that do printing, I'll see what it costs | 00:33 |
| GAN800 | cheapest crap you can imagine | 00:33 |
| Blafasel | Create the same T-Shirt (assuming that the design will be published before) and print "Hey, _I_ didn't wote for it" on the back | 00:33 |
| lcuk | http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&no=7 | 00:33 |
| lcuk | fully custom tshirts $15 | 00:33 |
| lcuk | GAN800, really? ive heard good things about em | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | really, they're terrible | 00:34 |
| GAN800 | cheap and easy, but the quality is crap. | 00:35 |
| lcuk | can we print 1/3 of the maemo logo to represent 1/3 of the cpu being used? | 00:35 |
| jott | GAN800: they don't have to be durable. just for one evening ;) | 00:35 |
| lardman | jott: but if it costs £30 I'd want it to last at least a couple of days" | 00:35 |
| lcuk | and you can customize loads of things | 00:35 |
| lbt | does anyone know of a GPS database of speed camera locations (UK) ? | 00:36 |
| * GAN800 eyeroll | 00:36 | |
| jott | 30 gbp?! ugh | 00:36 |
| lardman | a guess | 00:36 |
| Blafasel | jott: Yeah. You want it for one evening, the event is nice and you meet interesting people, want to keep it afterwards and .. ;) | 00:36 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, all of the _CPU_ is being used. | 00:36 |
| lardman | lbt: http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/ got to pay though now | 00:36 |
| lcuk | ok 2/4cores are in use | 00:36 |
| lardman | I think | 00:36 |
| jott | Blafasel: i thought we all rip it off our bodys and party :O | 00:37 |
| jott | hulk style ;) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | jott, last time you tried that you got arrested | 00:37 |
| jott | :( | 00:37 |
| lcuk | you dont want the shame a third time | 00:37 |
| Blafasel | jott: Yeah. Geeks. Hulk. | 00:37 |
| Blafasel | Waitaminute | 00:37 |
| qwerty12 | lbt, I use the pocketgpsworld one. They charge now but you can usually find a copy that is a month old on TPB... | 00:37 |
| lardman | jott: Maemo logo tattoos? | 00:37 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: ah, that's probably the one I was thinking of | 00:38 |
| * lcuk is going camping tomorrow | 00:38 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: what are you doing driving anyway! | 00:38 |
| lbt | qwerty12: lardman: ok - will look - ta :) | 00:38 |
| lardman | lbt: try qwerty12's suggestion | 00:38 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Hehe, I don't drive, I shove it on to the crap Nuvi that we got for my Dad :P | 00:38 |
| Blafasel | I was wondering the same.. ;) | 00:39 |
| * qwerty12 wishes Snoopers weren't outlawed | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | yer, you could fit one on your bmx | 00:39 |
| Blafasel | He's probably driving a segway ;) | 00:39 |
| qwerty12 | lol, bastards... | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | Eh, those gadgets are great. I'd love to own one.. | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | But.. The price is unreasonable. | 00:40 |
| qwerty12 | Come on, this looks retarded: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Male_rider_on_i2.jpg | 00:41 |
| lcuk | banned on sidewalks | 00:41 |
| Blafasel | I wonder if you could power your N8x0 from the segway battery though | 00:41 |
| lcuk | faceplants from segways are harsh | 00:41 |
| * jott hums "white and nerdy" :) | 00:41 | |
| Blafasel | qwerty12: Yes, it is ;) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | http://www.segway.com/individual/models/x2-adventure.php | 00:42 |
| lcuk | offroad ;) | 00:42 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: allowed on the street here. And on the bicyle lane. But the picture is really baaa | 00:42 |
| GAN800 | lol @ the plenware guys on the lists | 00:43 |
| hrw|gone | jott: I suspect that this is it | 00:43 |
| Blafasel | A customer here keeps 2 or 3 for marketing purposes and asked me to try it recently. It really felt great, was quite interesting. Driving is easy and nice. I just had a very loooong moment where I thought I'd never be able to get off again. | 00:43 |
| lcuk | oh craptastic! | 00:44 |
| lcuk | my craptop has crapped out | 00:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Serves you right for having a crap laptop :P | 00:44 |
| Blafasel | And for compiling on the device ;) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | this has nothing to do with my 810 | 00:45 |
| lcuk | its a linux laptop that kinda worked but got updated the other day and now its dead | 00:45 |
| lbt | you killed your laptop <sigh> | 00:46 |
| Blafasel | No I mean: You've prefering the N810. The neglected laptop fails now. | 00:46 |
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| Blafasel | Uhm.. Please try to parse the sentence correctly and ignore my errors. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i was already compiling on laptop | 00:47 |
| Blafasel | I just blame than on the UMTS connection, like GAN800 ;) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | and foget what i said | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i was already compiling on 810 before i got laptop | 00:47 |
| lcuk | umm im just tired - had to go shoppin for campin | 00:48 |
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| GAN800 | Until Delta gets me my damn luggage and my chargers. . . . | 00:53 |
| GAN800 | Later all. | 00:53 |
| lcuk | ok, my x server failed to start but ive not got a console window, is there a ctrl=f1 type combination to switch to a different console, and if so, whats the key sequence? | 00:53 |
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| lbt | ctrl-alt-Fn | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | thanks, i knew i had used it and tried loads of combos :) | 00:54 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, while you are there, do an "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log" | 00:54 |
| qwerty12 | *Xorg.log | 00:55 |
| * qwerty12 was reading about Xorg stuff today after having fun fixing my ATI. Still flickers but at least screen isn't garbled... | 00:55 | |
| lcuk | i had to hex edit the original edid info because my nvidia go 400 wants to firstly use tv-out as default, and secondly use wrong refresh rate for the native resolution | 00:56 |
| * lbt remembers kicking xorg *a lot* to make it work for MythTV on projectors, TVs, twinhead for ATI and radeon | 00:56 | |
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| lcuk | the error today is "Could not retrieve EDID because get-edid is not installed " | 00:56 |
| lbt | what distro are you on - ubuntu? | 00:57 |
| qwerty12 | It's not in standard ubuntu repos... | 00:57 |
| lcuk | yer | 00:57 |
| jott | sudo apt-get install read-edid ? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | but ive got bigger problems | 00:57 |
| lbt | yes, but xorg please | 00:58 |
| lcuk | :) how do i resolve the servers when my wifi isnt enabled | 00:58 |
| lcuk | or copy the data to you | 00:58 |
| lbt | rekey to the nit? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | it never finished booting and the password is incorrect on the adhoc | 00:58 |
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| jott | why does it need get-edid all of a sudden anyway? | 00:58 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, http://ubuntu.blueyonder.co.uk/archive/pool/universe/r/read-edid/read-edid_1.4.1-2.1_i386.deb - save that on a usb and then use dpkg -i on it | 00:58 |
| lcuk | cos it updated | 00:58 |
| lcuk | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=650996 | 00:59 |
| jott | oO | 00:59 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12 :) | 00:59 |
| qwerty12 | np | 00:59 |
| * lcuk hunts | 00:59 | |
| jott | ah but that's like ages old :P | 00:59 |
| qwerty12 | It's the one in the hardy repos :P | 00:59 |
| qwerty12 | According to http://packages.ubuntu.com anyway... | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i didnt have internet for ages, it had about 400 updates to do | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i just left it runnin for a couple of days and turned it back on earlier ;) | 01:00 |
| qwerty12 | Woah. I just reformatted and reinstalled hardy and I only got 258 updates to do... | 01:00 |
| lardman | night all | 01:01 |
| lcuk | gnite lardman | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, hardy is latest isnt it? | 01:01 |
| jott | yes | 01:01 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, yer | 01:02 |
| lcuk | when will they release sp1? | 01:02 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:02 |
| jott | i think it's already out isn't it?! :) | 01:02 |
| qwerty12 | They wont :P. You'll get intrepid | 01:02 |
| t_s_o | ah, your here qwerty12. you got me going with that tar of yours ;) | 01:03 |
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| bef0rd | 8.04.1 | 01:04 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, hehe. There's a reason those files aren't in the tar. Those files were introduced in os2008. I have no idea what the Os2007 equivalent of those files are. We need konttori here... | 01:04 |
| t_s_o | i tried copying the button_key_normal over, it game some effect on the left edge and garbage on the right ;) | 01:05 |
| qwerty12 | Same here, the image probably needs to be resized and maybe the gtkrc modified. But my theming knowledge suckzors | 01:06 |
| qwerty12 | Oh yeah, does anyone know of a mac address generator? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | hmmm, ok where does the memory stick get mounted, or how do i mount it? | 01:06 |
| jott | qwerty12: what do you mean with "generator"? | 01:06 |
| jott | there are tables with vendor prefixes | 01:07 |
| jott | (like the one wireshark uses) | 01:07 |
| qwerty12 | jott, just a little app that will spit out a mac address for me. But the tables should be enough for me, thanks :) | 01:07 |
| bef0rd | lcuk, /media/ ? | 01:07 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, try df -h and see if hal hasn't already mounted it. | 01:07 |
| lcuk | ill see whats there thx :) | 01:08 |
| jott | qwerty12: http://anonsvn.wireshark.org/wireshark/trunk/manuf | 01:08 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks, jott, this is v.useful | 01:08 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12: looking at the original files, yep, they need to be resized. the the image is much longer... | 01:09 |
| * Stskeeps glares at his n800 waking up from a shut down state without him touching it. | 01:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | bootreason 'killallhumans'? | 01:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:09 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, After it was booted in "DEAD" state, it may feel like that :P | 01:10 |
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| * qwerty12 was experimenting with alarmd to try and get his n800 to boot in the TEST state without resorting to crude linuxrc hacks but I failed :/ | 01:11 | |
| lcuk | w00t :) it wasnt there, so i cat /proc/partitions then made /media/usb and finally mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb and it worked :D:D:D * | 01:11 |
| lcuk | * ok, the internet told me to do that, but it worked \o/ | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't have any active alarms, and it just booted (saw bootmenu "booting from flash.."), and it then went on blank display | 01:12 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, That's odd :/ | 01:12 |
| lcuk | it crashed? | 01:12 |
| lcuk | or shutdown for battery | 01:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, i shut it down completely earlier | 01:13 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 would still switch on when I disabled the alarms :P. I had to clean out the alarmd configs manually | 01:13 |
| lcuk | thats never shutdown | 01:13 |
| lcuk | you have to nuke it from orbit. its the only way to be sure | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be paranoid if it starts displaying strange alien signs to me. | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:13 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder if not it would be simpler to just rob felicia of its button graphics ;) | 01:13 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, FAIL. It's it's not its :P | 01:14 |
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| qwerty12 | t_s_o, Yes, that does seem a lot easier | 01:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i had to disable the throbbing leds on the case - it woke me once in middle of the night and there was a strange glow around - i DID think i was bein taken | 01:14 |
| t_s_o | as it seems felicia is a updated version of the 2007 theme. but why they went with a black background on the keyboard this time round confuses me... | 01:15 |
| qwerty12 | But the funny thing is, that if aliens were taking a northerner, they'd drop him quickly and be thankful they escaped because of that reason. | 01:15 |
| lcuk | now that thats the biscuit, kettle and sink. | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | "xserver failed to start, would you like to look at the log?" | 01:16 |
| lcuk | view log: "" | 01:16 |
| qwerty12 | Why won't hildon-application-manager obey dpkg --set-selections? Arrgh | 01:16 |
| t_s_o | well that kinda worked, in a quick and hackish kinda way :P | 01:16 |
| t_s_o | now all i need to figure out is the setting for the lettering colors ;) | 01:16 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Have you switched it into Southern encoding? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:18 |
| lcuk | haha | 01:18 |
| jott | lcuk: http://xkcd.com/456/ you actually nail it ;) | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:19 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12: your screenshot on the forum shows the keyboard with white letters, where did you change that? | 01:19 |
| * lcuk is snorting :O | 01:19 | |
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| lcuk | im just gonna shut it down and reinstall windows | 01:19 |
| lcuk | ^ that was a joke | 01:19 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, that was in the gtkrc, let me find the value. Are you repacking the deb or modifiying Felicia? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | i do want this bitch to work - i ve gotta bring it to the summit | 01:19 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Dont do that again, I was about to get the chainsaw out | 01:19 |
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| t_s_o | copied over the felicia inputmet files to the echowb theme ;) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | we have a projector at cbase dont we | 01:20 |
| t_s_o | this will be one hell of a frankentheme :P | 01:20 |
| qwerty12 | color["VKBButtonTextColor"] = "#FFFFFF" | 01:21 |
| qwerty12 | btw, lcuk, I hate you. I can't believe you use the American spelling of colour in liqbase. :P | 01:21 |
| t_s_o | http://sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2886 <- not in any way maemo related, but every man should probably understand it ;) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, i hate english spelling, ive been a dev for too long to ever consider colour to be better | 01:22 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna keep on recompiling liqbase everytime you have a release and get sed to change color to colour :P | 01:22 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:22 |
| lcuk | im so gonna easter egg things just for you :) | 01:23 |
| jott | but lcuk also used canvass for quite some time :P | 01:23 |
| lcuk | and thought it was perfectly normal | 01:23 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 01:23 |
| * lcuk spells incorrectly lots, but at least im consistent | 01:23 | |
| qwerty12 | no no no, that's i'm not im | 01:24 |
| lcuk | i get things wrong 100% of the time | 01:24 |
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| jott | lcuk: maybe you should write a filter ;) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:24 |
| lcuk | i am doin | 01:24 |
| henrique | good evening | 01:24 |
| jott | lcuk2en_EN ;) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | infact, jott - thats a better use of my time than faffing with this craptop | 01:24 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, Make serious use of the X-Chat auto replace function... ;P | 01:25 |
| lcuk | :) thank you for (unintentional) nudge | 01:25 |
| jott | liqgrammarnazi :) | 01:25 |
| t_s_o | ah, worked like a charm :D | 01:26 |
| lbt | 'night all | 01:26 |
| lcuk | gnite lbt | 01:26 |
| qwerty12 | 'night lbt | 01:26 |
| jott | night lbt | 01:27 |
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| t_s_o | qwerty12: so in the end, what i ended up doing was ssh in, copy all the files from felicia with inputmet in its name to echowb, change the color setting you found and now i have a black keys on while background keyboard :D | 01:27 |
| t_s_o | now, how to repack that theme for the archive and maybe the forum... | 01:28 |
| qwerty12 | t_s_o, Haha, nice, I was making all my changes on felicia :). I prefer all black but I do like the blue of adria... | 01:28 |
| lcuk | jott | 01:30 |
| lcuk | where can i get gentoo from? | 01:30 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, switching distros? :P | 01:31 |
| lcuk | yer :D | 01:31 |
| bef0rd | :X gentoo | 01:31 |
| lcuk | im not really, but i am just gonna reinstall it | 01:31 |
| jott | lcuk: gentoo.org but it's not like install and go ;) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna spend time faffin, i think it kinda sorta works at some res | 01:32 |
| lcuk | yer jott, i know ive gotta level up first | 01:32 |
| qwerty12 | gentoo would piss me off with all that recompiling... | 01:32 |
| * lcuk hates grindin | 01:32 | |
| jott | gentoo is all about faffin :P | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | nahhh - its actually logical | 01:32 |
| jott | yeah | 01:32 |
| lcuk | i was answerin qwerty :P | 01:33 |
| lcuk | i know its faffin | 01:33 |
| lcuk | its like makin your own garden, you have to put time and effort and nurture it and love it | 01:33 |
| lcuk | meanwhile ubuntu is a very pretty windowbox | 01:33 |
| qwerty12 | I use my garden as a toilet. (not really, but I may do) | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | with big freaky spiders inside waiting to eat your brains | 01:33 |
| qwerty12 | NOM NOM NOM | 01:34 |
| jott | lcuk: but yeah gentoo is good to learn linux and have full control. | 01:34 |
| lcuk | anyway, if this doesnt work - jott will you be takin your lappy to cbase? | 01:34 |
| jott | my lappy is a n810 :P | 01:34 |
| lcuk | jott - agreed for when i have time - ill set it up in a corner and watch it grow | 01:34 |
| lcuk | yer i know - mine too, but projection isnt native yet | 01:35 |
| lcuk | but i bet it would be fun to make it work on small and big screen | 01:35 |
| qwerty12 | I'm tempted to switch from Ubuntu to Fedora but I haven't touched an rpm system in years so I'm SOL | 01:35 |
| Blafasel | I'm a Gentoo fan (actually before every cool kid found it), but for learning? I always thought that would be LFS (and I was too lazy, to dumb, whatever). | 01:35 |
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| jott | lcuk: Blafasel why not? | 01:35 |
| jott | erm | 01:36 |
| jott | Blafasel: | 01:36 |
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| Blafasel | jott: Well, it's not that much different from Debian, imo. Sure, fundamentally different in that it ships source mostly, but apt-get install foo or emerge foo still makes lazy bastards happy and keeps them clueless. | 01:37 |
| jott | Blafasel: well but you usually have to tweak much more | 01:37 |
| * lcuk builds liqux from scratch | 01:37 | |
| qwerty12 | lazy bastard check, happy check, ubuntu user, check. Yep, that's me | 01:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:38 |
| Blafasel | jott: No. Gentoo users would argue that you CAN tinker more (and that's a different debate). But you don't have to. | 01:38 |
| jott | Blafasel: yes sure. you get pretty vanilla upstream packages | 01:38 |
| Blafasel | Note that I compare it to Debian (rather unsexy in terms of "out-of-the-box" stuff), not "I guess what you want" Ubuntu | 01:39 |
| Blafasel | jott: And you choose your use flags once. Unless you want to tinker. You get packages that strip or require useflags, depending on the maintainer. | 01:40 |
| Blafasel | Basically it's the same thing imo. | 01:40 |
| jott | Blafasel: only basically. | 01:40 |
| jott | Blafasel: i used gentoo since ca. 2002-2003. | 01:40 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, started with 1.0rc6 or something. | 01:41 |
| Blafasel | Would've to look up the date. Disclaimer: I still run it on several (nice, powerful) machines. | 01:41 |
| Blafasel | But it's not a "learning instrument" in my book | 01:42 |
| jott | i mean, put in a debian cd and get your ugly gnome desktop. | 01:42 |
| jott | put in a gentoo cd and get a bash prompt ;) | 01:42 |
| Blafasel | hehe | 01:42 |
| jott | so, find out what you actually need for a desktop | 01:42 |
| jott | or which desktop you want | 01:42 |
| Blafasel | Nope. You download the LiveCD and get a Knoppix-like experience and install it wit the graphical installer.. | 01:43 |
| Blafasel | I fear you're living in the (better) past ;) | 01:43 |
| jott | :p | 01:43 |
| * jott installs stage1 .P | 01:43 | |
| Blafasel | hrhr. Not supported anymore. | 01:43 |
| * jott cries | 01:44 | |
| Blafasel | Another sign that you're a relic ;) | 01:44 |
| Blafasel | Ancient, not up todate ;) | 01:44 |
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| jott | even funroll-loops.org is down .. :/ | 01:45 |
| Blafasel | ;-) | 01:45 |
| Blafasel | The worst users in ##gentoo wondered whether -O9 is really much better than the more conservative -O7 ;) | 01:50 |
| jott | haha | 01:50 |
| jott | -OMG | 01:50 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, seems like my tablet is slowly degrading. a couple of days ago it rebooted when i inserted the charger, and now the battery icon wont animate while charging any longer... | 02:08 |
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| nemo | Blafasel: I'm more a fan of -Os on my 96MiB machine | 02:25 |
| nemo | Blafasel: last I need is some giant library with unrolled loops loaded into memory | 02:25 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, not even a reinstall of the battery applet seems to have fixed it... | 02:39 |
| t_s_o | now it only gives me a black square where the icon should be... | 02:40 |
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| lcuk | have you had the lcarrs theme installed | 02:40 |
| t_s_o | dont recall | 02:40 |
| t_s_o | known bug? | 02:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tried refreshing gtk icon cache? | 02:40 |
| lcuk | no, it just goes beyond theme file and has an "extras" bit which installs stuff to replace and mess with the battery | 02:41 |
| lcuk | status display* | 02:41 |
| t_s_o | qwerty12_N800: and how do i go about doing that? | 02:41 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: it seems to have come from a "crash" (or a unexpected reboot) i had when plugging in the charger, so i dont think its lcarrs related | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | :) tis ok, its just the only thing ive seen mess with it | 02:43 |
| t_s_o | well i still have a black square there qwerty12_N800... | 02:45 |
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| lcuk | perhaps its refreshed the square to black :D | 02:46 |
| lcuk | black icons are all the rage | 02:46 |
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| t_s_o | heh, its as if the icons isnt even there. no reaction when i poke at the area... | 02:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you may need to kill the hildon-desktop after refreshing :/ | 02:46 |
| t_s_o | roger that | 02:47 |
| lcuk | what about just refreshing and not specifying a path or index? | 02:47 |
| t_s_o | there we go, thanks! | 02:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: wouldn't work :/ | 02:47 |
| t_s_o | and now its animation is back as well :) | 02:47 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 02:47 |
| t_s_o | now to figure out why browserd dont autostart on boot... | 02:48 |
| t_s_o | not that i reboot often, but... | 02:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | been messing with the services applet :p? make tablet-browser-daemon start after the x-server. On my N800 diablo, browserd is /etc/rc2/S99tablet-browser-daemon | 02:50 |
| * qwerty12_N800 watchdog doesn't let me have a choice in rebooting... | 02:51 | |
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| lcuk | is the api to browserd known? | 02:52 |
| t_s_o | ah, figures. so i take it that the services applet gets the number wrong? i used it to uncheck the crawler, and accidentaly unchecked browserd for a moment... | 02:53 |
| t_s_o | there | 02:54 |
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| brontide | lcuk: garage has the whole code last I looked | 03:44 |
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| lcuk | brontide, im just as guilty myself with liqbase, but it would be easier knowing where the api docs were | 03:46 |
| brontide | heh... docs are a little harder to come by... hell a compass would be a good start | 03:47 |
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| lcuk | gnite brontide, chan | 03:51 |
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| Tired_ | Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right place...I'm trying to figure out if I can run MediaWiki on an internet tablet. | 04:01 |
| Tired_ | Or if there is a better solution for getting an entire non-Wikipedia wiki onto one for offline use. | 04:02 |
| Tired_ | The closest thing I could find in my research was a forum post, suggesting that trying to run MediaWiki on a 770 would be a bad idea, but nobody actually tried, and hardware has changed a lot since then. | 04:03 |
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| brontide | Tired_: Anything is possible, there is an iPhone app that can be modeled. The summit will also have a user fpp that will be presenting using python and webpy for on tablet web services | 04:13 |
| Tired_ | Possible is one thing...usable is another. | 04:14 |
| jott | Tired_: http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html | 04:14 |
| Tired_ | Are iPhone apps compatible? | 04:14 |
| brontide | The unit is more than powerful enough | 04:14 |
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| brontide | It's a matter of someone putting the jigsaw together | 04:14 |
| brontide | Isn't there a static offline wikipedia that could just be loaded into the filesystem? | 04:15 |
| Tired_ | This is for a different wiki than wikipedia, I can only get a database dump, not static HTML. | 04:15 |
| Tired_ | It's smaller, though | 04:16 |
| jott | Tired_: if it's mediawiki there should not be much difference. | 04:16 |
| Tired_ | unless I did the heavy lifting on my desktop...grabbed the database dump from wikia, and somehow dump it to static HTML on my home machine for use on the tablet... | 04:17 |
| jott | maybe also look what the stardict people did to generate their wikipedia stardict dictionaries. | 04:17 |
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| Tired_ | I will look into that. That offline thing you linked me to sounds a lot like what I just said. :) | 04:18 |
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| rm_you | Tired_: if you just want to serve a wiki... | 04:37 |
| rm_you | Tired_: dokuwiki is excellent, and uses files, not a database | 04:37 |
| rm_you | Tired_: and seems very light | 04:38 |
| Tired_ | Does it do pictures? | 04:38 |
| rm_you | Tired_: and it can be served with almost any webserver i think | 04:38 |
| rm_you | yes | 04:38 |
| rm_you | you can upload pics | 04:38 |
| rm_you | they have a decent media interface | 04:38 |
| rm_you | I know there was some light webserver compiled for the tablet, and i'm sure you could pick one and compile it yourself | 04:39 |
| rm_you | apache might be a bit heavy but like... | 04:39 |
| rm_you | lighttpd? | 04:39 |
| rm_you | maybe | 04:39 |
| Tired_ | Hmm. I found their website...I'll check it out, thanks. :) | 04:39 |
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| rm_you | http://www.lighttpd.net/ + http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/dokuwiki | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ok yeah | 04:40 |
| rm_you | i ran something like this on a Zaurus SL-5500 | 04:40 |
| rm_you | so i think an n800 should be able to handle it :P | 04:40 |
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| teamcobra | inside of the xephyr-xserver+scratchbox, is there any way to pop up a terminal so I can run an app that isn't in the launch menu? | 04:43 |
| rm_you | would it be something like "DISPLAY=? xterm" | 04:47 |
| rm_you | where ? is the display that xephyr is registered to? | 04:48 |
| rm_you | I havent actually used xephyr, unfortunately, as my scratchbox machine is headless | 04:48 |
| ChuangJiang | HI, everyone. I'm setting up the Meamo SDK 4.1 according to URL:http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/diablo/INSTALL.txt | 04:51 |
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| yigal | Is claws a bit more snappy than the default mail client for os2008? | 05:13 |
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| doc|home | yigal: yes. it sucks a whole lot less | 05:15 |
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| ChuangJiang | I'm installing the Perl Module in the Maemo SDK 4.1 Environment. When running the command "make test", I have get the following error messages: | 05:24 |
| ChuangJiang | PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /scratchbox/tools/bin/perl.bin "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | t/000prereq....ok | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | t/01version....NOK 1 | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | # Failed test (t/01version.t at line 23) | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | # Tried to use 'Compress::Raw::Zlib'. | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | # Error: Can't load '/home/arm/perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.009/blib/arch/auto/Compress/Raw/Zlib/Zlib.so' for module Compress::Raw::Zlib: /home/arm/perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.009/blib/arch/auto/Compress/Raw/Zlib/Zlib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 230. | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | # at (eval 3) line 2 | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | # Compilation failed in require at (eval 3) line 2. | 05:25 |
| ChuangJiang | But I have found the Zlib.so existing. Why? | 05:26 |
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| ChuangJiang | Can everyone help me? Thanks in advance. | 05:26 |
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| yigal | doc|home: that's good to here, what about flashing led lights :) can that be added or not easily | 05:45 |
| yigal | s/here/hear | 05:45 |
| doc|home | yigal: that works for me, although it can be a little annoying as sometimes it doesn't *stop* flashing until all messages are "read" | 05:45 |
| doc|home | not sure if that's a bug | 05:45 |
| yigal | doc|home: sounds good | 05:46 |
| yigal | doc|home: sorry about the constant flashing though | 05:46 |
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| GAN800 | Hrm, what do I need to be able to get pictures off my camera directly? | 06:47 |
| GAN800 | Forgot the CF reader. | 06:48 |
| * GAN800 is pleased to see the MyBook working great first try. | 06:49 | |
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| GAN800 | ping = 28.3s | 06:51 |
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| JZA | hi what's the password for root | 08:18 |
| JZA | I got sudo | 08:18 |
| JZA | but I still don't know the password for root default to diablo | 08:18 |
| derf | Just change it. | 08:19 |
| JZA | how? | 08:20 |
| JZA | I need a password to change the password | 08:20 |
| JZA | :) | 08:20 |
| JZA | passwd by itself wont work | 08:20 |
| JZA | I need to become root | 08:20 |
| derf | It will if you're root. | 08:20 |
| derf | You said you had sudo. | 08:20 |
| JZA | ...how do i become root | 08:20 |
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| JZA | I got sudoer (the program) | 08:21 |
| derf | By using one of the 50 "becomeroot" packages? | 08:21 |
| JZA | do I need a password for that? | 08:21 |
| derf | No. | 08:21 |
| JZA | well I got gainroot and still doenst work | 08:21 |
| derf | Seriously, Google "maemo become root". | 08:22 |
| JZA | I did and sent me to this | 08:22 |
| JZA | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ | 08:22 |
| derf | And follow directions. | 08:22 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure that's not the first Google result. | 08:22 |
| bef0rd | install rootsh from the maemo extras repository | 08:22 |
| bef0rd | then you can type 'root' at xterm | 08:23 |
| JZA | ok got it, I need openssh | 08:23 |
| JZA | it will prompt for a password during install | 08:23 |
| bef0rd | uhm no, you don't need openssh just to get root | 08:24 |
| bef0rd | jza, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 08:24 |
| JZA | I just became root | 08:24 |
| Mikho | I think nokia should not make getting root access this unintuitive | 08:25 |
| JZA | yeah well I also think they should allow Xvnc to be on Diablo too | 08:26 |
| JZA | specially if I want to do some pymaemo | 08:26 |
| JZA | I think they have some VM but oh well | 08:26 |
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| hrw|gone | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ | 09:04 |
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| bef0rd | cool hrw|gone | 09:06 |
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| hrw | morning | 09:31 |
| hrw | so now anyone can use maemo in qemu | 09:31 |
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| hrw | can someone with n800 show me /proc/mtd contents? | 09:35 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/1089350 | 09:36 |
| hrw | thx | 09:36 |
| aspect | transcribing by hand: | 09:36 |
| aspect | ... damn, beaten :) | 09:36 |
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| hrw | rm_you: you have diablo - right? | 09:37 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:37 |
| rm_you | lol aspect | 09:38 |
| macoute | btw, what is the current situation with diablo extras? | 09:38 |
| rm_you | ssh -> n800 = win | 09:38 |
| rm_you | macoute: they are getting fairly full | 09:38 |
| pupnik | http://qurl.org/jy possibly the best picture ever | 09:38 |
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| macoute | rm_you: would you recommend switching to that already? the versions should be pretty much the same, right? | 09:38 |
| rm_you | lolwtf pup | 09:38 |
| rm_you | macoute: yeah, i switched back already | 09:39 |
| macoute | rm_you: oki, maybe ill do it soon | 09:39 |
| macoute | damn windows... | 09:39 |
| macoute | it seems that it is too hard to copy a file of 300M over network to a shared directory | 09:40 |
| macoute | whoo, third time did the trick | 09:41 |
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| befr0d_ | ;_; | 10:07 |
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| buti__ | hello, i have problem with bluetooth discoverying devices on python, when discovery process is almost done the script stuck before DiscoveryComplete signal, when i try kill this process the N800 is restarting, anyone have some solutions for this? | 10:10 |
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| hrw | Diablo booted in qemu | 10:21 |
| hrw | qwerty12: hi and thx for dumps | 10:21 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ | 10:21 |
| qwerty12 | hi hrw, no problem. | 10:21 |
| qwerty12 | Ha, great, thanks, reading now | 10:22 |
| qwerty12 | Wow, can't wait for the patches :) | 10:23 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: its qemu HEAD | 10:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, ok | 10:26 |
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| hrw | but n810 emulation does not works for me - I need to catch Andrew later and ask him few questions | 10:29 |
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| rm_you_ | lcuk: so. | 10:34 |
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| pupnik | http://qurl.org/ky No Comment | 10:35 |
| rm_you | rofl | 10:35 |
| rm_you | that guy has some serious manboobs >_> | 10:35 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 10:36 |
| rm_you | pupnik: you sure have some interesting pics tonight <_< | 10:36 |
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| liri | lol | 10:38 |
| liri | when it rains it pours... | 10:38 |
| liri | couldn't get my hands on the N800/N810 and now I can get both | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, nice | 10:39 |
| hrw | indeed | 10:39 |
| liri | I can get the N800 for $222 or the N810 for $342 | 10:40 |
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| liri | I always wanted to get the N800 cause of the 2 SD slots and didn't care much about the HW keyboard or the GPS since I figured I can buy an exteral GPS BT module | 10:40 |
| liri | *external | 10:40 |
| liri | although the N800 is from ebay and it'll take time to get here plus shipping while the N810 is local | 10:41 |
| rm_you | GET THE N800!!! | 10:41 |
| rm_you | they are getting harder to find | 10:41 |
| rm_you | get one while you still can | 10:41 |
| liri | really? | 10:42 |
| liri | I know they are harder to find | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | I personally prefer N800 but I cannot deny the keyboard on the N810 is useful. | 10:42 |
| * qwerty12 apt-gets mtd-tools | 10:44 | |
| buti__ | anybody knows how to open wifi connection select window form console? | 10:44 |
| hrw | via dbus | 10:45 |
| buti__ | but how? :) | 10:45 |
| buti__ | could you give me any examle | 10:46 |
| hrw | go to ITT forums - iirc in 'personal menu' thread there was example | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe a tiny app that uses libiconic could work too... | 10:47 |
| buti__ | thanks | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | I'm actually quite tempted to dpkg-repack icd1 :/ | 10:49 |
| hrw | icd1? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Diablo's icd is icd2, I guess I'm just calling chinook's icd, icd1 for continuity purposes :) | 10:50 |
| hrw | what it is? | 10:51 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, the internet connectivity daemon. Provides the stuff like the select connection window etc. The icd2 which is in Diablo doesn't have support for DUMMY connections (which people use for connecting via LAN or PAN) and it's just more buggier. | 10:53 |
| * qwerty12 suspects icd2 is here because of the IPv6 and WiMax stuff | 10:53 | |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:00 |
| qwerty12 | morning aquatix | 11:00 |
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| RST38h | moo, qwerty | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | quack | 11:04 |
| * RST38h catches qwerty12 and sells him to the Evil French | 11:05 | |
| qwerty12 | OH NOEZ! | 11:05 |
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| melmoth | We are not evil ! | 11:07 |
| * melmoth slap RST38h with a baguette | 11:07 | |
| befr0d_ | muhahaha | 11:08 |
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| * aquatix grabs baguette mid-air and eats it | 11:08 | |
| aquatix | those are damn good :) | 11:08 |
| hrw | hmm.. breakfast... | 11:08 |
| aquatix | ;) | 11:09 |
| hrw | I like that idea | 11:09 |
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| * qwerty12 is lazy. Microwave pizza ftw | 11:11 | |
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| hrw | qwerty12: you are young and like to eat crapfood | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 11:12 |
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| hrw | I do not even own microwave oven | 11:15 |
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| qwerty12 | Omg, but how do you warm the 10 takeaways that you want to eat later | 11:19 |
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| aspect | it's called an oven | 11:21 |
| aspect | or a saucepan with a bit of jazz | 11:21 |
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| qwerty12 | but the oven is too slow, i'm too impatient. i want my food now, or i will take up cannibalism | 11:22 |
| hrw | qwerty12: takeways?? | 11:22 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, I live in London, we have thousands... | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | Chinese, Indian, Vegetarian, Chicken and Chips... | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Oh yes, Fish and Chips too | 11:24 |
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| * qwerty12 is seeing the initfs_flasher in a whole new light after he changed the font size. I'm wierd. | 11:26 | |
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| zap_ | the brightness applet guys must try it too | 11:28 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | zap_, yeah. I wouldn't actually mind the font size being bigger and the rotation buttons shrinked a little bit | 11:29 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > is there a problem with extras builder actually ? | 11:29 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > does there is some modification since yesterday ? | 11:31 |
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| zap_ | qwerty12: shhh, this is taboo! | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 11:34 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: hrw: nice work on the config.mtd stuff | 11:37 |
| trickie|work | woo hoo! | 11:37 |
| trickie|work | i was about to ready to mug you hrw for your non-distributable config.mtd at linuxtag | 11:38 |
| trickie|work | :) | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | trickie, and then give it me right? :P | 11:38 |
| trickie|work | of course | 11:38 |
| RST38h | melmoth: Ask the goose! =) | 11:39 |
| trickie|work | i owe you something cool already ;) | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:39 |
| hrw | trickie|work: I still can accept beer on maemo summit ;D | 11:39 |
| trickie|work | hrw: unfortunately i cannot make it... but next time isee a beer for sure! | 11:39 |
| trickie|work | next time i see you | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Exchanging sensitive data for beer. THAT is what is all about =) | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, like a hummer, the value of your config.mtd is going down thanks to your recent work :P | 11:40 |
| hrw | RST38h: ;D | 11:40 |
| trickie|work | http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_europe08/index.html <- anyone interested in that? | 11:40 |
| hrw | trickie|work: you have some free entry cards? | 11:41 |
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| trickie|work | i wish... i wasn't going to but then i see they have a 'hobbyist' entry price | 11:41 |
| trickie|work | not far from me | 11:41 |
| trickie|work | so i guess ill go check it out | 11:42 |
| hrw | the problem for me is that I am more professionalist then hobbyist but prefer hobbyist price | 11:42 |
| trickie|work | yeah well id like to be more than a 'hobbyist' | 11:43 |
| trickie|work | i wonder how they differentiate | 11:43 |
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| trickie|work | maybe if a company buys it it is the larger price | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, play dumb | 11:44 |
| hrw | qwerty12: few CELF guys know me as I did some jobs for them in past | 11:45 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, Ah. Don't think that would go down to well then... | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | *too | 11:46 |
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| jihoon | Hi, My n810 is shut down completely after the suspend mode. | 11:56 |
| jihoon | Are there anyone who know about this? | 11:56 |
| hrw | trickie|work: mamona/qemu was possible even before | 11:56 |
| jihoon | Please, help me | 11:56 |
| hrw | trickie|work: iirc mamona boots to rootfs not to initfs | 11:57 |
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| trickie|work | hrw: yes i had it working with mamona | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | somewhat | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | some issues when you really started using e17 | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | and mamona boots using maemo kernel + initfs | 11:57 |
| trickie|work | for now | 11:58 |
| hrw | ok | 11:58 |
| trickie|work | until we have enough replacements for proprietary bits | 11:58 |
| trickie|work | :) | 11:58 |
| trickie|work | ill try qemu HEAD soon | 11:58 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:00 |
| trickie|work | morning | 12:00 |
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| trickie|work | im not that scary am i? | 12:01 |
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| qwerty12 | trickie|work, No. Just scarier than the average person. :P | 12:03 |
| trickie|work | ha | 12:03 |
| hrw | ~lart me... | 12:04 |
| hrw | chinook kernel + diablo initfs/rootfs == non-booting qemu | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | infobot's on strike | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, using chinook kernel messes up on real device too :/ | 12:04 |
| Khertan | lol | 12:06 |
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| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ updated | 12:10 |
| trickie|work | cool | 12:11 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant, I can use this to test out my initfs changes :) | 12:11 |
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| hrw | if you have fast computer | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Change? How so? | 12:14 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, It's decent enough, should be able to cope :) | 12:16 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/mcalendar_0.2.9-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 12:16 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Well, I guess it punishes you for a crappy .changes? :) | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I think it finally had enough :D | 12:17 |
| Khertan | my .changes isn't crappy ! | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Ehm changelog. Is that the french date again? | 12:18 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ven't any problem before ... | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Was just messing with you ;) | 12:19 |
| Khertan | packages was built the same way ... | 12:19 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > hum ... | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Yeah, your date is in french. | 12:19 |
| Khertan | the source don't include the .changes log ? | 12:19 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade> hum ... this is strange ... never had problem with that before | 12:20 |
| Khertan | maybe something that change on my device ... | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Did you change your locale? | 12:20 |
| Khertan | i ll verify that local is right setted in py2deb.py | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | -- Beno..t HERVIER <khertan@khertan.net> ven, 01 ao.. 2008 10:06:14 +0000 | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Oh, sorry non-utf-8 terminal ;) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | But you get the idea. | 12:21 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> in fact the python script change the local setting for the script | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: the changelog doesn't lie ;) | 12:21 |
| Khertan | yes ... | 12:21 |
| Khertan | i know ... i m just trying to determin why this change occur ... | 12:22 |
| Khertan | as it worked like a charme before | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | Try to set your device to english? | 12:22 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade> from what i see the locale have never worked | 12:26 |
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| Khertan | s/locale /locale setting | 12:26 |
| hrw | ~curse n810 keyboard mapping | 12:26 |
| Khertan | and in old uploaded .changes date was in french too | 12:26 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ updated with n810 keyboard infos | 12:26 |
| Khertan | so i m lucky if it has work since the start ... | 12:27 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> other question ... does .changes file should be in utf-8 or iso-8559-1 ? | 12:27 |
| Khertan | or an other charset | 12:27 |
| hrw | Khertan: use devscripts next time - dch insert proper dates | 12:27 |
| hrw | utf-8 | 12:27 |
| Khertan | as i think it s could be the error | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Well it complains about badly formed. So maybe there is spacing orso? | 12:27 |
| Khertan | hrw > dev script isn't available on nit | 12:28 |
| Khertan | hrw > this is why i ve made my own tools | 12:28 |
| hrw | ok | 12:28 |
| hrw | who from here will be on maemo summit? | 12:28 |
| * Khertan dit moi | 12:28 | |
| * Khertan dit me | 12:28 | |
| * nomis will be there. | 12:28 | |
| * Khertan say me | 12:28 | |
| * X-Fade me me me | 12:29 | |
| hrw | I am wondering about making (if there are slots left) fast show of maemo-qemu | 12:29 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > i suppose it s the accent on the o from 'aout' in french which is the problem as i write the changes in utf-8 | 12:29 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > but the main real problem in the date in french instead of us :) | 12:30 |
| hrw | Khertan: not us but ISO | 12:30 |
| liri | arr | 12:30 |
| hrw | US use sick date scheme | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: And your day doesnt start with an uppercase letter. | 12:30 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > yes there isn't in french :) | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if it matters. | 12:30 |
| Khertan | as i use the isoformat method :) | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | Other than that, I don't see any other things that look wrong. | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | Well, you lie about your timezone. But I don't thing that matters. | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | /s/thing/think/ | 12:32 |
| Khertan | does a date in the real isoformat is accepted ? '2008-08-01T11:32:00.00000' | 12:32 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > it s a small lie :) | 12:33 |
| Khertan | as the date is converted before in utc | 12:34 |
| hrw | having / as Alt+h with normal keyboard is strange | 12:35 |
| jott | hrw: does network work now on the qemu n8x0? | 12:35 |
| hrw | jott: I have usb networking | 12:36 |
| jott | ah that's fine. | 12:36 |
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| hrw | ~curse h-a-m developer which added disabled 'Cancel' button to 'checking for updates' | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | I'm more pissed off that it doesn't ask for confirmation to update anymore :(. I'd recompile it but I messed things up when I tried last time. | 12:42 |
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| liri | the more I'm readying N800 vs N810 I want to buy the N810, seems like the screen visibility in sunlight is better | 12:46 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > found ... i was setting the wrong local ... | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Ok ;) So a new release of py2deb is coming up? | 12:47 |
| Khertan | as i use index instead of nammed constant ... | 12:47 |
| Khertan | this wasn't the same on the tablet :) | 12:47 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > around 13h00 GMT+2 :) | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I'm running the qt4 build, so let's see if that slows it down. | 12:48 |
| jott | hrw: mind to share the size changes of the partition table so lazy folks like me don't have to find out? ;) | 12:49 |
| hrw | jott: http://pastebin.com/d58cf48bc | 12:50 |
| jott | thanks | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, I'm a n00b. When you say qemu head, do you mean check out qemu from git/svn? | 12:51 |
| hrw | svn | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 12:51 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > :) qt4 build ... hum ... do u know the size of the resulting package ? | 12:51 |
| Jaffa | [7~ | 12:52 |
| Jaffa | xxx | 12:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: All I know is that the builder ran out of disk space after using more than 4GB for the build ;) | 12:52 |
| hrw | 4GB for build? | 12:52 |
| hrw | small :D | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: After 9 hours ;) | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Morning Jaffa. Keyboard still messing up? | 12:53 |
| befr0d_ | http://savannah.nongnu.org/svn/?group=qemu | 12:53 |
| jott | Khertan: packages for runtime only are ~16mb | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | jott: How long does a typical build take for you? | 12:53 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > OUCH ! | 12:54 |
| jott | a couple hours with from a clean system | 12:54 |
| jott | 1-2 maybe | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | jott: I'm working on getting more/better hardware for the builders. | 12:55 |
| jott | hehe for now you managed to get a bit more diskspace, eh? ;) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | jott: Well a bit more. I doubt it is enough. | 12:56 |
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| jott | as long as it's ~6gb qt should build fine :) | 12:57 |
| Pavlz | hello | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | jott: Webkit build managed to run out of disk space too ;) | 12:57 |
| hrw | X-Fade: what is used now? n810? | 12:57 |
| jott | and qt includes a whole webkit :> | 12:57 |
| Pavlz | how to save with nokia 770 after to have used vi ? | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Some random VM, I don't know the exact specs. | 12:58 |
| hrw | Pavlz: like in any vi - press ESC + :w | 12:58 |
| befr0d_ | esc :wq to save & quit | 12:58 |
| Pavlz | which is esc? | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | Pavlz: esc == the back arrow key. | 12:58 |
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| RST38h | jott: It is no longer removable? | 12:58 |
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| X-Fade | jott: But I hope that the builder now has enough space to run the qt4 build. | 12:58 |
| Pavlz | thanks | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | jott: It had a little bit less than 6GB space left, so it is tricky. | 12:59 |
| jott | RST38h: it's in the source tree and an extra package libqt4-webkit will be build. | 12:59 |
| RST38h | jott: Oh, so it is an extra package | 12:59 |
| RST38h | cool | 12:59 |
| jott | RST38h: yes, qt is quite modular | 12:59 |
| RST38h | 'cause it would be strange if they made it a requirement | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It will be in extras-devel first. | 13:00 |
| jott | RST38h: yeah, nevertheless it is useful :) | 13:01 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo for sick networking | 13:01 |
| * jott hands hrw a shiny icd binary blob | 13:02 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I am ok with GTK for now - not eager to move to QT unless needed | 13:02 |
| trickie|work | qwerty12: HEAD just means the latest revision, as opposed to a particular revision number | 13:03 |
| trickie|work | for future reference | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: GTK is not going away anytime soon. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Check the info about Fremantle and Harmattan. | 13:03 |
| * RST38h ended up writing his own very rudimentary UI lib, so that his stuff works everywhere | 13:03 | |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I should be ok even if you just leave the frame buffer :) | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | trickie|work, Ahh, I see. Thanks for that | 13:04 |
| trickie|work | np | 13:04 |
| Pavlz | i | 13:04 |
| RST38h | The menus look like they are done on a ZX Spectrum, but given the nature of my apps it is more of a feature than a bug :) | 13:04 |
| Pavlz | Vi do not save | 13:04 |
| Pavlz | i digit :w then enter and the arrow key | 13:05 |
| Pavlz | nothing happen | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Pavlz: Wrong order. | 13:05 |
| Pavlz | h | 13:05 |
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| X-Fade | esc :w | 13:06 |
| Pavlz | It does not save | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | or esc :wq if you want to save and quit. | 13:06 |
| Pavlz | is the same i try nothing to do | 13:06 |
| RST38h | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html?nav=rss_email/components | 13:06 |
| Pavlz | how to save ? | 13:06 |
| RST38h | NEXT: The Anal Probes! | 13:07 |
| Pavlz | to save ? | 13:07 |
| Pavlz | :s | 13:07 |
| Pavlz | which one ? | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Maybe you do not have permissions to write this file? | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Pavlz: Do you use the 'back arrow' key? | 13:08 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart gedit for making backup files by default | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart infobot for not being here. I miss his lame insults. | 13:10 |
| hrw | http://pastebin.com/d68a4cf1 - does someone has other content of /proc/mtd on n800/n810 using diablo? | 13:10 |
| * zap_ makes a shoot of the eclipse on his phone | 13:10 | |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, On my N800 diablo, it's matching | 13:11 |
| trickie|work | i don't have my n800 handy sorry | 13:11 |
| hrw | no problem trickie|work | 13:12 |
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| jott | hrw: mine looks the same on n810 diablo | 13:12 |
| hrw | thx | 13:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Arrgh, why must kotczarny base his coloured bootmenu on a old bootmenu version. Now I'm continually switching between gedit and kdiff. | 13:16 |
| zap | Hahah, N810 is not a laptop | 13:16 |
| zap | this news will boost the N810 sales, I presume | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | zap, They'll still make up a bullshit rule on the spot to take that too. Wouldn't put it past them. | 13:18 |
| zap | you can say its your phone | 13:18 |
| zap | and phone definitely doesn't equal laptop | 13:19 |
| zap | even dumb febs should understand that | 13:19 |
| zap | *feds | 13:19 |
| jott | well it could be considered as an umpc which is kind of a laptop :) | 13:20 |
| zap | but in fact, if I would be a terrorist I would just buy a 4Gb micro-SD card | 13:20 |
| zap | and put it inside my ear | 13:20 |
| zap | and kiss my ass | 13:20 |
| befr0d_ | exactly | 13:20 |
| befr0d_ | that makes no sense | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | ha, lol | 13:20 |
| befr0d_ | you can probably store all your evil plans on a gmail account | 13:21 |
| jott | yeah or swallow the n810 :p | 13:21 |
| qwerty12 | It may be a little hard to get out at the other end though. Unless you just happen to carry a knife... | 13:21 |
| zap | befr0d: gmail does not support encryption, so you can't | 13:22 |
| zap | I bet True People has access to all parts of google | 13:22 |
| hrw | zap: not if you encrypt it before storing... | 13:22 |
| jott | zap: you can just copy and paste something encrypted in it... | 13:22 |
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| jott | anyway, this whole politics of fear is just pathetic. | 13:23 |
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| hrw | jott: US is pathetic | 13:24 |
| zap | this reminds me of DDR police, they kept microfilms for lots of the mails ever sent in the country | 13:24 |
| zap | now you don't need films anymore, you have hard disks | 13:24 |
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| lardman | hrw: your name has been noted and you'll definitely be pulled aside if you decide to go to the US ;) | 13:26 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman is a secret worker at major US airports | 13:26 |
| hrw | lardman: and if I will not shave before going then I will be taken as terrorist for my look? | 13:27 |
| hrw | qwerty12: no - major US airports security works for lardman | 13:27 |
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| lardman | hrw: yeah probably, one of my collegues (Italian, stubble) had troubles in the US last week | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | Ha, I'll have trouble. | 13:27 |
| * qwerty12 is a Paki and with stubble. w00t. | 13:28 | |
| lardman | lol | 13:28 |
| jott | qwerty12: you'll be shot on sight :P | 13:28 |
| lardman | yeah, I fear you might be targetted | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, yeah | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe I'll be lucky, I got a Uncle that lives there :D | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | He came back to the Uk in one piece... | 13:29 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you reckon you can stow away then go to ground until the fuss dies down? ;) | 13:29 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, that will be too long :/ | 13:30 |
| lardman | I thought I might be arrested, I asked one of the security people why my collegue had been sent back out of the airport, she didn't look pleased | 13:31 |
| jott | wouldn't a job at airport security be boring when you never search and question people? | 13:32 |
| lardman | well you could do more doughnut eating if you didn't have to stop people | 13:33 |
| lardman | but yes, it must be very boring, which is why they superimpose pictures of knives and guns on the xray images to check people are awake | 13:34 |
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| * lcuk got sent out by french security to strip down and bin flammable materials from my lighter. | 13:38 | |
| * qwerty12 refrains from swearing as this new initfs messed up my tablet | 13:38 | |
| hrw | qwerty12: use qemu? | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, I couldn't be bothered with compile time but yes, that is the best option. I guess I should start compiling... | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: links on ITT to poky screenshot go 404 | 13:40 |
| qwerty12 | It hangs after displaying rd mode information. I'll see if I can mess around with linuxrc and bootmenu.sh some more. | 13:41 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: url to itt give | 13:44 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: and links on itt are not on my lists to care about. want to see picture - follow link to blog post. | 13:45 |
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| trickie|work | Stskeeps: 404 or the FF3 ssl cert error? | 13:45 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: link to post on itt - will I get it? | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19108 , apologies, gf took computer | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | arh | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | its not your post | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 13:53 |
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| hrw | and it is old post | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, heat must be getting to me | 13:54 |
| hrw | ah.. I remember... | 13:56 |
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| * befr0d_ is already compiling trunk qemu | 14:00 | |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, is 2.3 MB too big for an diablo initfs image? I'm not sure how the partition table layout stuff is handled properly. | 14:04 |
| zap | oh my, complete N810 emulation | 14:05 |
| zap | qwerty12: maybe you hit the limit on the mtdblock partition size reserved for initramfs | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | zap, Could have done. My N800 keeps restarting now after it's booted. I'm just disabling the lifeguard. | 14:06 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: initfs is 4M with diablo | 14:07 |
| zap | ah, nokia keeps the drivers on initfs, so the limit should be high | 14:08 |
| hrw | zap: not complete - no wifi, bt | 14:08 |
| hrw | qwerty12: and diablo initfs is 2.3M iirc | 14:09 |
| hrw | 2.2M to be exact | 14:09 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, thanks. I'll try a ripped one. | 14:09 |
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| zap | no wifi yes, but you don't have to wear out the internal flash memory to test a new debug build of your software | 14:11 |
| zap | if course, if your software doesn't want wifi, bt, dsp | 14:11 |
| qwerty12 | Is an erase block of 128 correct? | 14:11 |
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| hrw | qwerty12_N800: it is | 14:23 |
| hrw | qwerty12_N800: look at /proc/mtd output | 14:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: thank you, i thought i was using wrong value | 14:24 |
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| bef0rd | my crappy amd is going to explode | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RUN!!! | 14:33 |
| bef0rd | haha | 14:34 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 takes the time to laugh at my friend who watches what i have dubbed as computer porn. computers with the case open and smoke coming out of the processor. | 14:35 | |
| bef0rd | lol | 14:36 |
| bef0rd | that reminds me, the cpu cooler of this box is broken.. | 14:36 |
| bef0rd | if it doesn't have cooling, does that make it work slower? | 14:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: just a note, in emulated n800, you can set gconf value /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached to be true to stop hildon-input-method coming up and middle button on dpad to act as proper return | 14:41 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, thats not computer porn, its smoking hot computer porn | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmao | 14:43 |
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| hrw | qwerty12_N800: good to know | 14:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | (well, i lie. I haven't done it in emulated n800, but it works on real device) | 14:46 |
| liri | does the N810 has the folding leg to tilt it standing on a table? | 14:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I believe it does | 14:46 |
| bef0rd | yes, it does | 14:48 |
| liri | uhmm ok | 14:48 |
| liri | I'm still undecided between the N80 and N810 | 14:49 |
| liri | *N800 | 14:49 |
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| bef0rd | n800 is way cheaper | 14:49 |
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| liri | well the difference for me would be about $100 | 14:50 |
| bef0rd | you could get a couple of 16gbs microsd with that :P | 14:51 |
| * jott could not live without a internal hw keyboard | 14:52 | |
| liri | microsd is for N800 or N810? | 14:52 |
| bef0rd | ohm let me check heh | 14:52 |
| liri | the N810 also has the gps built-in | 14:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tbh, the gps isn't great | 14:52 |
| bef0rd | nn810 uses minisd | 14:53 |
| liri | is that msdhc? | 14:54 |
| hrw | liri: sdhc is technology not size | 14:55 |
| lcuk | the gps inside the n810 is brilliant, it shows "no signal" clearly and cheerfully every single time i use it. | 14:55 |
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| hrw | device with 2.6.21+ kernel and any SD slot can usually run sdhc cards too. never mind is this sd, minisd, microsd | 14:55 |
| liri | lcuk: so the gps is bad on the n810? | 14:56 |
| bef0rd | lol lcuk | 14:56 |
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| bef0rd | I've never been able to use it, but I've heard from others here that is not that bad | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | liri: i think you can take that as a yes | 14:56 |
| jott | liri: the fix times *can* be quite long. the gps position is "ok". | 14:56 |
| bef0rd | at least it works for them | 14:56 |
| liri | umm | 14:57 |
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| jott | (differ from 1 min to 10 min when you are not moving) | 14:57 |
| lcuk | liri, your mileage may vary - literally some people dont seem to have a problem, whilst others wait for eternity for a lock - its better in diablo apparantly but gps isnt a priority so the upheaval | 14:57 |
| bef0rd | it depends on your country I suppose | 14:57 |
| liri | I see | 14:57 |
| jott | i mean some people try to get a fix in a faraday cage and complain ;) | 14:57 |
| liri | well gps is important to me so I'd like to know | 14:58 |
| bef0rd | where are you located liri? | 14:58 |
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| liri | bef0rd: Israel | 14:59 |
| RST38h | inside a tank or out? | 14:59 |
| liri | lol | 14:59 |
| liri | inside a car | 14:59 |
| liri | :) | 14:59 |
| jott | with lead hardening? ;) | 15:00 |
| bef0rd | lol | 15:00 |
| liri | nope | 15:00 |
| RST38h | and how long does your gps take to lock on satellites? | 15:00 |
| bef0rd | I guess that you could ask on www.internettablettalk.com if there are other users from Israel with a N810, and what's their experience with gps | 15:01 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade> it seems to be something else ... failed :( | 15:02 |
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| liri | well thats' pointless | 15:02 |
| liri | I'd like to know if the GPS is good or bad. if it's bad then maybe it works on Israel but on a trip to somewhere in Europe it may fail... well that's out of the question | 15:03 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5 | 15:03 |
| Khertan | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is | 15:03 |
| Khertan | parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5 | 15:03 |
| RST38h | liri: There is a solution | 15:03 |
| rm_you | liri: just get an n800 and then buy a standalone gps unit | 15:03 |
| RST38h | liri: if your internal gps is "bad" you can always buy an external gps | 15:03 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > do u have activated something about the changelog ? as mine isn't really compliant yet :) | 15:04 |
| RST38h | it will work with either n810 or n800 | 15:04 |
| rm_you | right but n800 is better :P | 15:04 |
| bef0rd | cheaper | 15:04 |
| rm_you | cheaper AND better! total win | 15:04 |
| lcuk | liri, it doesnt fail, it just takes longer to get a lock than other dedicated gps units. as i said it now includes a-gps which allows prespecifying a rough location which DOES appear to help | 15:04 |
| liri | right but the whole point is that the GPS is integrated with the device. if the plan is to buy an external GPS then I might as well go with the N800 | 15:04 |
| rm_you | liri: exactly :P | 15:04 |
| liri | damn it | 15:05 |
| liri | I'm all confused! :) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | so's the gps unit | 15:05 |
| * rm_you is saying you should get an N800 :P | 15:05 | |
| lcuk | it has to stop and ask for directions | 15:05 |
| liri | hehe | 15:05 |
| lcuk | 810 keyboard and form factor is a winner for me | 15:06 |
| Khertan | same thing here | 15:06 |
| lcuk | i didnt even consider the 800 because it was a pda | 15:06 |
| bef0rd | gotta agree kb is a ++ | 15:06 |
| lcuk | 810 looks and feels likea computer | 15:06 |
| liri | the N810 is only capable for MiniSD cards though isn't it? | 15:07 |
| RST38h | 1 minisd card slot | 15:07 |
| bef0rd | yep, + internal 2gb card | 15:07 |
| * lcuk hates compromising limited screen estate with keyboard for real usage scenarios - of course for some things an osk is useful; | 15:07 | |
| liri | I could only find those in 4gb sizes and they cost like an 8gb SD card | 15:08 |
| lcuk | 1 mini slot, but micro->mini adapters let you use any micro | 15:08 |
| bef0rd | omg it seems like qemu actually compiled | 15:08 |
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| rm_you | lcuk / liri: versus 16G sd cards for like $40 | 15:09 |
| rm_you | for a total of 32gb storage for fairly cheap | 15:10 |
| rm_you | vs... like 10g total on an n810 | 15:10 |
| rm_you | not acceptable :( | 15:10 |
| lcuk | its not that bad - i dont have a usage pattern which needs 32gb of flash | 15:11 |
| hrw | microsd are up to 8GB now... | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i have a single 1gb expansion - 3gb total | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | and it works | 15:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You are not compiling qt+webkit on your tablet? | 15:12 |
| bef0rd | i've 8gb, but can't fit 3 seasons of the office there :P | 15:12 |
| rm_you | i've got 20gb currently, will upgrade soon when i get money | 15:12 |
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| rm_you | to full 32gb | 15:13 |
| lcuk | hahahahah no - i dont have / space for that - and im lacking autotools | 15:13 |
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| rm_you | and when flash gets way cheaper, will go to 64gb :P | 15:13 |
| RST38h | rm_you: what do you do with the previous cards though? =) | 15:13 |
| bef0rd | oh yea, I wish / was bigger :/ | 15:13 |
| rm_you | RST38h: one made its way into my laptop, one is now a flash drive, care of a $3 usb cardreader thing | 15:14 |
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| rm_you | bef0rd: use root-on-sd :P | 15:14 |
| jott | hrw: for the record, qemu boots n810 fine here :) | 15:14 |
| rm_you | i am! / is 4g | 15:15 |
| RST38h | heh | 15:15 |
| bef0rd | rm_you, root-on-sd? sd as the internal sd or the minisd? | 15:16 |
| rm_you | bef0rd: oh right you have n810? >_> | 15:16 |
| jott | hrw: do you know if it is possible to show the cursor in qemu without touching Xomap? | 15:16 |
| rm_you | bef0rd: in that case, i guess internal? which would limit you to 2g :/ but better than the standard | 15:17 |
| rm_you | wouldnt want to do it on the external card, since you only have one slot >_> | 15:17 |
| bef0rd | heh yea | 15:18 |
| * jott has / on the internal 2gb card on his n810 | 15:18 | |
| bef0rd | jott, so, you dont use at all the 'standard' / partition, right? | 15:19 |
| jott | no | 15:19 |
| jott | just as a "rescue partition" | 15:19 |
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| jott | i could not go with the pain of only having 256mb on my root partition. | 15:23 |
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| bef0rd | hah yea, I ran out of space pretty soon too | 15:24 |
| hrw | jott: I booted n810 here few hours ago ;D | 15:25 |
| hrw | jott: change theme in maemo to one with cursor | 15:25 |
| jott | ok | 15:25 |
| jott | thought maybe qemu could just show my host x cursor :) | 15:25 |
| * bef0rd just installed qemu / head | 15:25 | |
| bef0rd | hrw, have you got a manual with the steps required to bood diablo? | 15:26 |
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| jott | bef0rd: you can basically follow http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ | 15:26 |
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| jott | (the poky-nokia800-flashutil part) | 15:27 |
| bef0rd | thanks jott | 15:27 |
| jott | you need to double the initfs size in the script too | 15:27 |
| jott | (for diablo) | 15:27 |
| rm_you | ooo, someone just emailed me about some Affordable Wenches :P | 15:27 |
| rm_you | anyways, night folks :P | 15:28 |
| jott | rm_you: wet^H^H^H sweet dreams :P | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Shouldn't that be: Morning? :) | 15:28 |
| rm_you | :P | 15:28 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: no, my schedule is broken :P | 15:28 |
| rm_you | jott: are you going to OSiM? | 15:29 |
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| jott | no don't want to pay that much :/ | 15:29 |
| rm_you | :/ | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | jott: Nokia might want to sponsor that. | 15:29 |
| rm_you | ok, i think they are paying my way in | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | jott: IIRC that was the idea. | 15:29 |
| rm_you | we'll see | 15:29 |
| rm_you | yeah | 15:29 |
| hrw | ah.. I need to push updated script | 15:29 |
| jott | X-Fade: quim said only in conjuction with travel sponsorship :( | 15:29 |
| rm_you | but since jott didn't need sponsorship to get to berlin / stay there, he didnt sign up :/ | 15:30 |
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| X-Fade | jott: Are you sure. I remember something about a wiki page. | 15:30 |
| hrw | I can pay for my hotel/travel but I will not attend osim | 15:30 |
| jott | X-Fade: that's what he told me on irc atleast.. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | jott: Ok, first hand info is better. | 15:30 |
| bef0rd | I've been broken since I bought the N810 | 15:30 |
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| jott | maybe nokia has some spare tickets left :) | 15:31 |
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| jott | i bet they just ordered like 50-100 tickets :) | 15:31 |
| rm_you | jott: well, if I *don't* go to OSiM, we'll have time to hang out and code or something, cause I already booked my flight to arrive on Tuesday <_< | 15:31 |
| jott | heh | 15:31 |
| rm_you | jott: I dont think they've ordered tickets yet | 15:31 |
| jott | yeah, we can also do some sightseeing ;) | 15:32 |
| rm_you | the emails said that we needed to be on the wiki page by the first week of august | 15:32 |
| rm_you | so they would know how many they needed to buy tickets for | 15:32 |
| rm_you | yeah that too :P | 15:32 |
| jott | hm yeah..well maybe keep an eye on it. | 15:33 |
| jott | we could also host the maemo community stand ;) | 15:33 |
| * rm_you imagines pictures around berlin: "This is me coding at Berlin's #1 nightclub." "This is me coding by a nifty river." "This is me coding on the train to (insert place here)." | 15:33 | |
| jott | i did it for one day at linuxtag, was quite funny ;) | 15:34 |
| rm_you | heh yeah, could be fun | 15:34 |
| bef0rd | lol | 15:34 |
| rm_you | I may actually have to get those pictures just for awesomeness | 15:35 |
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| rm_you | ok well, srsly, sleep. :) | 15:36 |
| * rm_you sleeps | 15:37 | |
| bef0rd | nightz | 15:37 |
| * jott waves | 15:38 | |
| jott | hrw: there is a hidden option --show-cursor for qemu :) | 15:42 |
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| GreyFoxx | Yay, finally have a n810 that actually powers on! | 15:42 |
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| hrw | GreyFoxx: upgraded to 51.3 or diablo? | 15:43 |
| GreyFoxx | diablo | 15:43 |
| GreyFoxx | though it appears I have a problem with the internal drive | 15:44 |
| GreyFoxx | http://www.pastebin.ca/1089651 | 15:44 |
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| GreyFoxx | looks like something is a little borked with the filesystem on that partition | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | internal sd? | 15:45 |
| GreyFoxx | yeah | 15:45 |
| GreyFoxx | fresh out of the box | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | yea | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | you need to repartition it | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | I had to | 15:45 |
| jott | nokia really messed up there. | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | According to GeneralAntilles that happens to everybody | 15:45 |
| jott | to me too atleast | 15:45 |
| bef0rd | you can plug it to your computer, backup your files, and repartition it with Gparted | 15:46 |
| jott | switched to ext3 and moved root over to it ;) | 15:46 |
| bef0rd | OT: I CAN'T believe this girl is 16 http://p12.metroflog.com/pictures/561/22/4/232422561_KYFNIPOYIMWVDPH.jpg :| | 15:48 |
| GreyFoxx | I'm copying the contents off now | 15:48 |
| GreyFoxx | then I'll drop and readd the partition | 15:48 |
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| bef0rd | jott, do you have rotation enabled atm? | 15:49 |
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| jott | bef0rd: on the real device you mean, i suppose? yes. | 15:51 |
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| bef0rd | I'm not blaming you :P, but I flashed with your chinook kernel last time, and got several crashes with rotation enabled. i.e I rotated the screen in 'portrait' mode, then changed the theme, and things started to behave strangely, some dialogs appeared with big fonts, and the device stopped working after a while, and rebooted | 15:53 |
| jott | hm never happened to me | 15:54 |
| jott | but sounds more like an hildon issue ;) | 15:54 |
| bef0rd | yea, it could have been something else, I had a lot of stuff installed :P gonna give it another try. | 15:55 |
| jott | under diablo atleast changing the theme works while rotated | 15:55 |
| jott | (just tried) | 15:56 |
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| bef0rd | can you drag the 'menu' bar to the bottom of the screen? | 15:56 |
| jott | yes | 15:56 |
| bef0rd | I used to do that too :P | 15:56 |
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| Khertan | Hop ... hostel and flight confirmed ! | 15:59 |
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| bef0rd | bath time | 16:00 |
| hrw | lunch time | 16:01 |
| jott | hmm good idea hrw | 16:01 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > are you here ? | 16:48 |
| Khertan | i ve two problem :) | 16:48 |
| Khertan | mine :) | 16:48 |
| Khertan | and editing the wiki ... | 16:48 |
| Khertan | maybe you can help me with the second one ? | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: 1 is french date again. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | And 2? | 16:50 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > 1) i say me ... not my upload :) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > saving page in wiki is a bit unreliable ... | 16:51 |
| Khertan | i get many time a web page ... with only one line of text : "crap..." | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Same server as maemo.org. Upgrade is coming at the end of the month. | 16:51 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | i m not talking about slowness ... | 16:52 |
| Khertan | humf ... maybe related ... | 16:52 |
| Khertan | when i think now :) | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Blank page? | 16:52 |
| Khertan | blank page with the text : crap... | 16:52 |
| bef0rd | lol, that's a very expressive error message | 16:52 |
| Khertan | strange, isn't it ? | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Hehe. | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Try the https version. | 16:53 |
| Khertan | lol | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I'm not sure who put it there. I think it was Ferenc. | 16:53 |
| Khertan | ... :) | 16:55 |
| Khertan | guilty ! | 16:55 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:55 |
| * Khertan is trying to understand the wiki syntax ... | 16:55 | |
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| * Khertan don't understand why someone made something more complicated than a simple hyper text language markup | 16:56 | |
| * Khertan say : "and specially to do the same things" | 16:56 | |
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| hrw | I like Markdown syntax - much easier then html | 17:00 |
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| Khertan | hrw > Are you kidding?! | 17:04 |
| * RST38h hates wiki syntax (for the record) | 17:05 | |
| RST38h | And any other proprietary syntax too | 17:05 |
| * brontide hates wiki *table* syntax | 17:07 | |
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| aspect | html is horrid to write. mediawiki's not my favourite wiki (I hardly qualify it as such given its complexity) but I find wiki syntax of eg moinmoin and dokuwiki quite lovely | 17:08 |
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| brontide | Khertan: were you still looking for UI input on mcalendar? | 17:10 |
| bef0rd | html is easier than wiki | 17:10 |
| bef0rd | at least it makes sense | 17:10 |
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| bef0rd | there are some stuff that can be done with mediawiki' wiki syntax that can't be done with plain HTML, I've seen some swtich / if statements | 17:11 |
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| Khertan | pffff 30min just to add my date of arrival and departure to the wiki ... | 17:12 |
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| brontide | Try rewriting the schedule page a few times... that's always a joy | 17:14 |
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| brontide | One improperly placed /n and the whole thing goes to hell | 17:15 |
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| Khertan | brontide > lol | 17:18 |
| Khertan | bef0rd > yes with html we can do less crappy results :) | 17:19 |
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| hrw | Khertan: I use markdown for 3-4 years now | 17:22 |
| brontide | At least I've never gotten the "Crap..." message after doing 15-30 minutes worth of work | 17:23 |
| RST38h | aspect: HTML is just fine | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Although I have nothing against shortcuts like autoconverting asterisks to <LI>s etc | 17:23 |
| hrw | RST38h: especially when you like to have few <p> <strong> <em> <ol> <ul> itp? | 17:24 |
| RST38h | But coming up with yet *another* markup language is stupid | 17:24 |
| hrw | with markdown I just enter text and **strong** it or *em* | 17:24 |
| RST38h | hrw: I am ok with an extension like this, no problem | 17:24 |
| RST38h | hrw: Even LaTeX has some of these | 17:24 |
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| aspect | RST38h: as far as I'm concerned, wiki is just a bunch of such shortcuts that are human readable in source form. Complex layout like mediawiki supports is probably best avoided ... 95% of the time I don't need it anyway | 17:25 |
| aspect | headings, lists, emphasis styles, code blocks, rules .. there's most of the rich formatting I ever use and I can write documents in vim | 17:26 |
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| GreyFoxx | Anyone here covert videos for watching on their n810 that can recommend an app or script for it ? | 17:35 |
| brontide | In my mac i've used Handbrake for DVD's | 17:36 |
| GreyFoxx | ahhh they have a convertor right on the nokia page *slaps self for not googling first* | 17:36 |
| GreyFoxx | That has an n810 option? Cool.... I have handbrake on a mac right here I can try | 17:36 |
| GreyFoxx | I'd prefer writing up a commandline script for it, but I need to know the optimum bitrate/resolution/etc info | 17:37 |
| brontide | I just used custom options. mpeg4 500 , mp3 128 no bigger than 400x240 | 17:37 |
| brontide | in an avi | 17:37 |
| brontide | You can probably go up to 800 on video if quality is a concern | 17:38 |
| GreyFoxx | well I'll go the max it can handle :) | 17:38 |
| brontide | I haven't pushed that hard | 17:38 |
| GreyFoxx | and by 800 I assume you mean bitrate and not resolution :) | 17:38 |
| brontide | yes | 17:38 |
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| brontide | For best viewing, resolution should never exceed 400x240 so it can be played back at full framerate | 17:39 |
| brontide | ( for now ) | 17:39 |
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| timeless | so, there's actually a command line tool for that | 17:44 |
| bef0rd | There are a couple of scripts/apps at garage.maemo.org to convert media files | 17:44 |
| timeless | maemo.org/downloads should find the one i'm thinking of | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tablet-encode | 17:45 |
| timeless | yes, hi :) | 17:45 |
| GreyFoxx | I've got a ffmpeg line processing a file now to try, but I'll check those out as well | 17:45 |
| GreyFoxx | thx | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi timeless :) | 17:45 |
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| crashanddie__ | oi | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie__: woot, welcome to the uk :D | 17:50 |
| crashanddie__ | thank you :) | 17:50 |
| aquatix | crashanddie__! | 17:50 |
| aquatix | how was your move? | 17:50 |
| aquatix | or is? :) | 17:50 |
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| crashanddie__ | took a bit longer than I expected, but here I am, I'm good | 17:50 |
| crashanddie__ | Plane was delayed, got utterly lost in the tube/train system | 17:51 |
| hrw | crashanddie__: manchester? | 17:51 |
| crashanddie__ | London | 17:51 |
| crashanddie__ | I'm in Lewisham, about 10 minutes from Bromley | 17:51 |
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| t_s_o | interesting, the mauku page says they would release a version this week with twitter support, but i cant say i have seen any trace of it yet... | 17:52 |
| crashanddie__ | picked up a couple of adapters to be able to give my laptop some juice, same for the NIT and some other stuff | 17:52 |
| crashanddie__ | Damnit, moving between countries *is* troublesome | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, was a while since I've been in Bromley. Shopping centre's decent but my favourite one is in Manchester, the Trafford centre. | 17:52 |
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| crashanddie__ | qwerty12, there's other things, more interesting, than a shopping centre in Bromley ;) | 17:53 |
| t_s_o | crashanddie__: especially crossing the atlantic... | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie__, Haha, true :P | 17:53 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, hey, bro, you around ? | 17:53 |
| hrw | crashanddie__: close to OH office ;) | 17:53 |
| crashanddie__ | hrw, exactly :P | 17:53 |
| hrw | qwerty12: which shopping centre? | 17:54 |
| * hrw was in bromley once | 17:54 | |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, Can't remember the name :/, it's the one with the Virgin music store towards the entrance iirc | 17:54 |
| hrw | where it was? | 17:54 |
| crashanddie__ | You know, yesterday, I arrived around 9PM in Lewisham... Little did I know that Lewisham station is in fact 2 miles from where I am now... Anyway, around 10PM, I arrive finally at the house, no one... Not a soul... I was stuffed. Got a cab, found a hotel, came back today... After questioning the neighbours for hours in order to find a phone number to get hold of someone, I finally managed to bribe a cute mother-of-two wi | 17:56 |
| crashanddie__ | th flattery, until she coughed up the number I needed | 17:56 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, im at work just finishing up - going up to lates etc for the weekend | 17:56 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, oh, right :) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | jeeeeeesus | 17:56 |
| lcuk | are you under a proper roof? | 17:57 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, Oh well, have a nice weekend... I'll probably get heavily to work on combining my current projects with liqbase | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | you are gonna play :D | 17:57 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, yeah, I am good, the house is awesome, the kitchen is big, I got a nice room with view on the garden, I'm really feeling it nicely | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | That's good to hear :) | 17:58 |
| lcuk | i wish you had told me sooner - i wouldv steered the dev version towards a pair of targets instead of just mine | 17:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | x-fade> you said that the date is stille wrong in the .changes file but the last uploaded for homecalendar seems good for me | 17:59 |
| crashanddie__ | From what I gathered, I'll be living with a german guy (he'll be able to dust off my german before the summit), and some polish girl | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie__, i tohught your tale was gonna end in woe for a minute there :) glad you are under a roof | 17:59 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, it takes a bit more than just bad timing to get me down :P | 17:59 |
| lcuk | heh - i have a spare tent as well - apparantly mine isnt needed this weekend :D | 18:00 |
| crashanddie__ | I would've coded a roof in C++ if needed | 18:00 |
| * lcuk has rubber pants though :S | 18:00 | |
| crashanddie__ | btw, I'm an idiot | 18:00 |
| crashanddie__ | I forgot to forward the irc bouncer port on my router | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | you knob - hack it | 18:00 |
| crashanddie__ | tried using an ssh tunnel | 18:00 |
| crashanddie__ | think I'll have to activate the "flick the power switch" hack | 18:01 |
| lcuk | isyou should have left it a trigger | 18:01 |
| * Khertan_n810 think he will be dumb at summit with this poor englizsh | 18:01 | |
| lcuk | crashanddie, open sesame | 18:01 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810, j'traduirai pour toi, t'inquiête | 18:01 |
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| crashanddie__ | btw, there's sooo many french people in the UK | 18:01 |
| crashanddie__ | it's amazing, really ! | 18:01 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, :) your english is not important - we can work around language barriers with signlanguage and beer | 18:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | i can understand it if rate is slow ... | 18:01 |
| lcuk | get working on a speech to text converter | 18:02 |
| crashanddie__ | btw, beer lubricates your brain, after drinking a bit, you'll understand both english and sign language a lot better | 18:02 |
| lcuk | crashanddie has the gstreamer code for listening to the mic | 18:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | but noone understand my spain cow english talking accent | 18:02 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810, that's something only french people can understand | 18:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | i know | 18:03 |
| lcuk | if you think your accent is bad: how the hell are people gonna understand northern | 18:03 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, we don't | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk so true | 18:03 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, it's just we're lucky we had a video of ya, so we could play it 3 or 4 times | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:03 |
| lcuk | .|.. just go fsck yourselves :P:P | 18:03 |
| crashanddie__ | lcuk, I only understood that was someone talking the 3rd or 4th time I watched the video | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, sometimes, my northern accent comes out. But only sometimes :P | 18:04 |
| crashanddie__ | qwerty12, we don't care, you won't be there :P | 18:04 |
| * Khertan_n810 set language.replace('english','python') | 18:04 | |
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| crashanddie__ | sssssssssssssSSSSSSsssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSss | 18:04 |
| lcuk | at least you arent going to the summit qwerty12 i couldnt do with you snickering in the audience | 18:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody here going to akademy ? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:04 |
| * qwerty12 mashes up crashanddie__ east london style and steals his tickets | 18:04 | |
| lcuk | crashanddie__, you will be there wont you? | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, hehe | 18:05 |
| crashanddie__ | qwerty12, which ticket ? | 18:05 |
| crashanddie__ | qwerty12, btw, you're 15, I eat 3 guys like you for breakfast | 18:05 |
| lcuk | anyway, ive got an hour to sort out my stuff, gotta finish romans (i only started this morning) | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | bruv, don't mess, i'll still bang you out :P | 18:05 |
| lcuk | should i tell my boss that romans were not built in a day? | 18:06 |
| crashanddie__ | romans ? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | yer, roman blind calculations | 18:06 |
| lcuk | dont ask | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | tell him many hands make light work so get of your ass and help | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | and then watch as you are out of a job | 18:07 |
| lcuk | uh huh | 18:08 |
| lcuk | anyway, today has been a much more relaxing good day - cow orker is on holiday | 18:08 |
| lcuk | ill speak to you guys on ummm sunday night or somethin | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, bribe the local mafia and make it a final holiday for that guy *evil grin* | 18:08 |
| lcuk | local mafia? bez and the happy mondays you mean | 18:09 |
| lcuk | cyas later | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | so crashanddie__, have you appreciated the range of takeaways we have in London? | 18:10 |
| crashanddie__ | not yet | 18:10 |
| crashanddie__ | but I sure smelled a few | 18:10 |
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| crashanddie__ | I just stopped at tesco's and got myself a sandwich, couldn't be bothered to wait/search for food | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie__ | my legs are killing me, and god, am I happy I have the n810 with GPS | 18:11 |
| crashanddie__ | that thing is a frigging life saver | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | The GPS actually worked? | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie__ | yeah, it did | 18:12 |
| t_s_o | woho, seems like the tablet is triggering some kind of "loop" in my desktops kernel. it seems to not give up trying to read one of the SD cards even tho it just errors... | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I really must try and use hcitool to pair my navman gps that I got :/ | 18:13 |
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| bef0rd | hah, so it *works* | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | There's a first time for everything... | 18:15 |
| bef0rd | maybe it has a sensor that knows when you are lost, and then it starts working | 18:15 |
| crashanddie__ | hrw, btw, I still didn't get anything from the OH guys... This is starting to feel as if they just couldn't care less | 18:16 |
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| crashanddie__ | bef0rd, maybe you just need to know how to use it properly | 18:16 |
| jott | the sweat on crashanddie__ worked like an extra antenna :) | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | eew | 18:16 |
| crashanddie__ | well, that could be true | 18:16 |
| crashanddie__ | cuz I was sweaty as hell | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | I can't decide if global warming is good or bad. When I was in Halifax, it was actually warm! :O | 18:19 |
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| bef0rd | it's bad. | 18:20 |
| jott | it's 33C here, thats way too hot. | 18:21 |
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| Khertan_n810 | 34 here | 18:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | too hot too ! | 18:21 |
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| summatusmentis | it's bad, Maine doesn't need _more_ mosquitoes | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | 22C according to the gnome time applet | 18:21 |
| aquatix | 23C according to the same | 18:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | pfff | 18:22 |
| * aquatix has his window open | 18:22 | |
| aquatix | it was unbearable yesterday | 18:22 |
| bef0rd | 14ºc | 18:22 |
| nemo | !w 20001 | 18:22 |
| aquatix | bef0rd: where is that? | 18:22 |
| bef0rd | Bogota, Colombia | 18:23 |
| nemo | oh. this isn't the channel with the weather bot | 18:23 |
| aquatix | bef0rd: is it `winter' with you? | 18:23 |
| GreyFoxx | qwer: Halifax, Nova Scotia ? | 18:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | Rah build still failed !!!! | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | GreyFoxx: Halifax, W.Yorkshire, Uk | 18:24 |
| GreyFoxx | Ahhh ok :) | 18:24 |
| bef0rd | aquatix, yep, but its sunny today :P | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | I love the water there, tastes clean compared to London one :) | 18:24 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: don't drink the Tames! | 18:24 |
| aquatix | *Thames | 18:25 |
| aquatix | [just thought i'd warn you ;) ] | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 18:25 |
| nemo | 11:25 < nemo> !w 20001 | 18:25 |
| nemo | 11:25 < FiT-Bot> Washington, District of Columbia; Updated: 11:18 AM EDT (August 01, 2008); Conditions: Partly Cloudy; High/Low: 92/74°F (33/23°C); Humidity: 70%; UV: 8/16; Pressure: 29.75 in/1007.3 hPa; Wind: East | 18:25 |
| nemo | you guys need to get one of those :) | 18:25 |
| * aquatix likes the water where he lives | 18:25 | |
| aquatix | tastes better than stuff like Spa | 18:25 |
| aquatix | nemo: i already have http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=INOORDHO4 :) | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | FFS, "Unpacking kernel image to file 'zImage'..., zImage: Permission denied" | 18:26 |
| hrw | crashanddie__: lot of things going in OH now | 18:26 |
| nemo | bef0rd: 14°C not 14ºc :-p | 18:26 |
| crashanddie__ | hrw, I can understand that. But I don't think a simple "thanks for your application, we'll get back to you as soon as possible" really takes days :P | 18:27 |
| jott | $33\,^{\circ}\mathrm{C}$ :P | 18:28 |
| aquatix | i really need a tex2irc thingee | 18:29 |
| aquatix | typing equations would be awesome that way | 18:29 |
| jott | aquatix: kopete supports latex expressions :) | 18:29 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 18:29 |
| aquatix | too bad it needs a gui ;) | 18:29 |
| aquatix | but that kinda is the point | 18:30 |
| jott | hehe | 18:30 |
| aquatix | i prefer sticking with gtk stuff though | 18:30 |
| chmac | Does the n810 have iptables? | 18:30 |
| aquatix | iirc, there's a pidgin latex thingee | 18:30 |
| chmac | I was thinking to use it as a wireless gateway... :) | 18:30 |
| aquatix | irssi rocks for irc stuff though | 18:30 |
| aquatix | chmac: :) | 18:30 |
| aquatix | chmac: you know, that's an awesome idea | 18:30 |
| * aquatix could hook it up to his umts phone and rebroadcast the connection | 18:31 | |
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| jott | aquatix: yeah indeed irssi is great | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: change that uiq phone to an s60 one and get something joikuspot :P | 18:31 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: i know :) | 18:31 |
| chmac | aquatix: I'm staying in a hotel with wifi. So we've paid for one connection (me and my brother) | 18:31 |
| aquatix | e71 sounds nice | 18:31 |
| aquatix | chmac: ah :) | 18:31 |
| chmac | I've shared it via a virtual wireless device on my laptop, but if I could do the same on the tablet, oh it would be splendid! :) | 18:31 |
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| qwerty12 | Sony Ericsson phones are appealing less and less to me now... | 18:32 |
| aquatix | chmac: should've brought your wireless router ;) | 18:32 |
| aquatix | ah, heheh | 18:32 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: yeah, they shouldn't have cancelled the P5 :( | 18:32 |
| chmac | aquatix: lol, I did! :) | 18:32 |
| chmac | I travel with one | 18:32 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: was kinda wanting it | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: was the P5 beibei or paris? | 18:32 |
| aquatix | paris | 18:33 |
| chmac | But with the wireless router I have to connect my laptop to the access point, then ethernet to the wifi router, which is one more device that needs power, and the ethernet cable is dodgy | 18:33 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: the most recent version of dsp-sbc includes a zImage. I don't need to flash a new kernel do I? | 18:33 |
| chmac | So the virtual interface bridge option works like a charm, I'm most pleased with myself! :) | 18:33 |
| aquatix | beibei was the g series i thought? | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | oh shit. Beibei looks fugly, sony ericcsson must have been retarded... | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: no idea, haven't kept up with the releases in a while :) | 18:33 |
| aquatix | g702 and g902 | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: you only need to flash it if you want to be able to change dsp speed on the fly | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | (without recompiling a new kernel each time that is...) | 18:34 |
| summatusmentis | so it's rather beneficial to do so | 18:34 |
| chmac | aquatix: Does the n810 have iptables by default? Or is it an add on? | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: I've got a kernel with that patch that also has the 48Mhz MMC speed and rotation on itt as well if you are interested | 18:35 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: g900 and g700 phones | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: ah | 18:35 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I would be, yes :) | 18:35 |
| aquatix | http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_g900-2247.php <- quite ok | 18:35 |
| jott | woot! a thunderstorm is coming! hope it gets a bit cooler soon. | 18:35 |
| aquatix | chmac: dunno, can check | 18:35 |
| chmac | aquatix: The command iptables is not found on my n810 | 18:35 |
| aquatix | chmac: try iptables as root btw | 18:35 |
| aquatix | ah | 18:35 |
| aquatix | then it isn't there by default ;) | 18:36 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: but touch screen phones with qwerty are my fav now | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | aww | 18:36 |
| * Khertan_n810 will paid for a good storm and 10C less | 18:36 | |
| aquatix | so the nokia e71 would be a step back | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | summatusmentis: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204049&postcount=193 | 18:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/paid/pay | 18:36 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: can imagine | 18:36 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: thunderstorms suck though ;) | 18:37 |
| summatusmentis | is gcc working on the tablets? | 18:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | no ... | 18:37 |
| chmac | Anyone know how to provide dnsmasq with a new set of nameservers on the fly? | 18:37 |
| chmac | When I look at /etc/resolv.conf it only contains 127.0.0.1 normally | 18:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | summa*> yes | 18:37 |
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| summatusmentis | Khertan_n810: do I need to do anything special? is it in extras? | 18:37 |
| chmac | It seems like when wlan0 comes up, the nameservers are written somewhere else, and dnsmasq takes them from there | 18:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | not in extras ... | 18:38 |
| chmac | I'm not sure how to reconfigure that on the fly though | 18:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | but look on itt | 18:38 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: SE really should release a P5/Paris like phone with a faster cpu | 18:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | some have made a wlakthrought | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: and s60 touch *evil grin* | 18:38 |
| aquatix | myeah | 18:38 |
| aquatix | if it's compatible with my addressbook and agenda | 18:38 |
| aquatix | and most of my apps | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | tbh, uiq doesn't have much except for the hacked walkman 3 going for it | 18:39 |
| aspect | chmac: there should be an /etc/dnsmasq.conf ... from memory it uses /etc/resolv.dnsmasq by default, and takes a HUP to reconfigure itself | 18:39 |
| aquatix | it has nice themes :) [if you look hard enough] | 18:39 |
| jott | chmac: its in /tmp/resolv.conf.$IF | 18:39 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: and touch screen rocks | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I can live without a touch screen :) | 18:39 |
| aquatix | depends on the gui, but ok | 18:40 |
| aquatix | browsing in opera mobile rocks with touch screen | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5 | 18:40 |
| aquatix | nokia e71 looks nice though | 18:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | what is the trailer line ? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | I still <3 the E90. I wonder if N-Gage platform was cracked for that phone... | 18:40 |
| jott | Khertan_n810: the line with your french date? :) | 18:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | rah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 18:41 |
| chmac | jott: Thanks, I'd never have found that :) | 18:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | dumb i am !!!!!!!! | 18:41 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: e90 is nice indeed | 18:42 |
| chmac | jott: Now where do I make a note to remember for next time, that's the question! :) | 18:42 |
| aquatix | bit too bulky as phone for me | 18:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | py2deb take the wrong file ! | 18:42 |
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| jott | chmac: grep resolv /etc/dnsmasq.conf ? :) | 18:42 |
| hrw | have a nice weekend guys | 18:43 |
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| chmac | jott: Ahh, cunning, I hadn't thought of doing it that way | 18:43 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1425 <- e90 is larger | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: features make up for it :) | 18:43 |
| aquatix | http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2425&idPhone1=1425 <- e71 is interesting | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | My P1i is still dead, I never bothered to buy setool credits to fix it, I should knock it on ebay... | 18:44 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: true, it's neat | 18:44 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: how dead? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: It won't recognise GDFS part of flash and CCPU part fails to flash :/ | 18:45 |
| aquatix | ah | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | jott > thx u force me to verify all file ! | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/file/files | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | so i ve found my mistake | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: E71 is interesting... | 18:46 |
| jott | but e71 only has 320x240 resolution :/ | 18:46 |
| Proteous | booo | 18:47 |
| bef0rd | qwerty12, did you break it flashing it or something? | 18:47 |
| aquatix | jott: yups | 18:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | and mainly doesn t have maemo | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | bef0rd: Yeah, I have a lot of experience with flashing sony ericsson phones but the flash system on the P1i has me stumped :/ | 18:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:48 |
| aquatix | it would be cool if they finally start cramping vga screens in such phones | 18:48 |
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| jott | i wonder why there is so less demand for 640x480 displays... | 18:48 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: m600i flashing worked fine | 18:48 |
| jott | i mean, they are on the market for ages. | 18:48 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: colleague with a p1i is happy too | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: But this one decided to kill itself one day :) | 18:48 |
| aquatix | jott: price? | 18:48 |
| jott | aquatix: nah, can't be price. | 18:49 |
| Proteous | I want a xwgbdasga screen | 18:49 |
| aquatix | jott: `the customer doesn't need it!' | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: SEUS fails to recognise the phone too | 18:49 |
| jott | it's just most people don't care :) | 18:49 |
| aquatix | jott: yeah | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Proteous: You too?!? | 18:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | jott< because app are designed for less resolution and are useless on this device | 18:49 |
| Proteous | heh | 18:49 |
| jott | Khertan_n810: you could easily pixeldouble like winmobile crap. | 18:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | 640*480 iPack where useless | 18:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | jott > do u have see the result | 18:50 |
| jott | only in stores. | 18:50 |
| jott | the apps there looked ok to me. but it probably differs on "real world" apps ;) | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | i understand now why u ask | 18:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | default ms windows app is ok | 18:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | but all third party don t work | 18:51 |
| jott | haha that's ms style ;) | 18:51 |
| jott | but in the end it shouldn't be a really big technical problem.. | 18:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | no api just require that you made an interface for all resolution | 18:52 |
| jott | so 2-3 lines of code for app developers? | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | and a dynamic one isn t easy to do | 18:53 |
| jott | like xsp ;) | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | more like an other glade style file | 18:53 |
| jott | for pixel doubling?! | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | as many app was made with rad | 18:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | pixel doubling dont work for the ui | 18:54 |
| jott | i mean for full resolution it's clear that you need a layout manager and/or forms made for the resolution. | 18:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | many wiget don t double | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/wiget/widget | 18:55 |
| Binky | Hiii everyone | 18:55 |
| jott | bleh crappy stuff as always. | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah ! py2deb work again ! | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes as always | 18:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t think it better with gtk | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:56 |
| jott | did not use winmobile for long, my ipaq got much more "familiar" later on ;) | 18:56 |
| jott | qt has quite good layout managers. | 18:56 |
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| Binky | Anyone uses minimo? I heard microb on OS2006 sucks, sucked and will suck forever (?) | 18:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes ... gtk isn t so bad too... | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, my Fujitsu Siemens ran linux rubbish. Didn't help that I'd managed to blow the backlight... | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | if i understand how it works | 18:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 18:57 |
| chmac | Avahi makes logging into my tablet via SSH a breeze. I do love mDNS... :) | 18:57 |
| * Khertan_n810 still have problem with stylus keyboard and mCalendar resizing | 18:57 | |
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| Proteous | down with stylus keyboards! | 18:59 |
| aquatix | Khertan_n810: time for an n810? ;) | 18:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve an n810 | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | FFS, My n800 sucks dick. I plug in the USB cable, my internal cards in use. lsof shows nothing on the mountpoint. Remove the cover, force close applications and it's still in use. Shove the card into the removable slot and the POS reboots. | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | but it s user reports :) | 19:00 |
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| jott | Khertan_n810: just run some n810 advertisment and get some extra money from nokia ;> | 19:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah but i come to summit | 19:02 |
| jott | grr the thunderstorm did not really came through. :/ | 19:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t want to be insulting by some users | 19:02 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | ping ? | 19:03 |
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| Proteous | pong! | 19:06 |
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| Khertan_n810 | re | 19:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum connection drop while modest retrieving a mail, and now only half of the content could be displayed | 19:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | no way to refresh it ? | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | brb, mtdblock is playing games | 19:10 |
| chmac | aquatix: Turns out I do have iptables installed, but it's not in my PATH, it's /sbin/iptables | 19:10 |
| aquatix | ooh :) | 19:11 |
| chmac | So now to see if I can turn my n810 into a wifi router :) | 19:11 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | this could be a bad idea to make this easily to made | 19:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | we will see many fake ap | 19:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | does an n810 will be accepted in a plane ? | 19:17 |
| chmac | Turns out the iptables package doesn't include nat routing, looks like I also need https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ipt-nat | 19:17 |
| hircus | Khertan_n810: haven't had a problem with it yet | 19:18 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810, I was using it the whole time | 19:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | good | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | chmac: those modules won't work with the latest kernel. I believe Matan has the updated modules on his page | 19:19 |
| hircus | they think of it as just another PDA: you have to turn it off at takeoff/landing | 19:19 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810, the only thing they told me was to take off my earbuds during take-off/landing | 19:19 |
| chmac | qwerty12: I was just wondering if it would work, thanks :) | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m afraid that seeing nokia logo they let think that was a phone | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:19 |
| hircus | of course, a fussy flight attendant might complain at the blinking lights :) | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i have never mount in an commercial flight | 19:20 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810 & hircus: they don't care about what it is, really... It could be a friggin playstation 18 and they wouldn't care... As long as it doesn't freeze the controls or kills the pilot mid-flight | 19:20 |
| chmac | qwerty12: This page? http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/ | 19:20 |
| Khertan_n810 | my first experience in a jet was in a mirage 3 | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | chmac: yep, that's the one. Good luck finding it :) | 19:21 |
| chmac | lol :) | 19:21 |
| Kegetys | when the plane is heading towards the ground the attendand will come and say "sir, could you please turn that device off so the pilot can re-gain control of the aircraft" | 19:21 |
| brontide | Just tell them it's in "Airplane" mode | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Tell them it can get them girls | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol ... due to an software problem the sncf couldn t deliver any tickets ! | 19:21 |
| crashanddie__ | brontide, yesterday, they told me they didn't care about it being on or off, they just don't want me to wear earbuds during landing/takeoff | 19:22 |
| crashanddie__ | which does make sense in a way | 19:22 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Hmm, I don't see it there. Might be more hassle than it's worth... | 19:22 |
| crashanddie__ | Khertan_n810, pwned | 19:22 |
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| hircus | crashanddie__: you'd think so, but safety is just one consideration | 19:22 |
| Khertan_n810 | great for the day where there is the most travelers in the years | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | chmac: I believe it's the netfilter stuff | 19:22 |
| hircus | Khertan_n810: Mirage III -- really? as a pilot or in one of those pay-for-fun flights? | 19:22 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Ok, cool, thanks | 19:23 |
| brontide | crashanddie__: Actually it does, with the number of "always" on devices like ipod and such that you can't easily shut off | 19:23 |
| crashanddie__ | brontide, true... I've always had a hard time believing all that stuff about cell phones in hospitals, or in the plane... | 19:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | hircus > in one of this don t paid it s free as your uncle is in army :) | 19:24 |
| crashanddie__ | I mean... If these guys can't build planes that are isolated against cell-phone/wifi frequencies... Why should I trust them with my life ? | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | can I have your uncle? | 19:24 |
| nemo | they are just being paranoid | 19:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe | 19:24 |
| brontide | My personal feeling is if planes/hospitals/.. can't deal with the #1 source of low wattage EM firlds we have a bigger problem | 19:24 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Any idea what I do with the tar file? It's a bunch of .ko files I think... | 19:24 |
| brontide | fields even | 19:24 |
| crashanddie__ | brontide, exactly | 19:24 |
| RST38h | kegetys: you just need to enlist | 19:25 |
| crashanddie__ | anyway, bbl, cheers | 19:25 |
| Kegetys | RST38h: enlist for uncle? | 19:25 |
| chmac | I dare say I have to extract them somewhere on the n810... :)_ | 19:25 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide > they can but it cost more, so they do the minimum | 19:25 |
| nemo | crashanddie__: anyway, if I had to guess, it isn't just about shielding, is about jamming | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | chmac: use insmod on them. | 19:25 |
| jott | chmac: insmod the right ones :) | 19:25 |
| nemo | crashanddie__: what if you interfere with tower communications? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | iirc iptables can be pimped with modules | 19:25 |
| chmac | qwerty12: Hmm, ok, I'll get into that, firstly I'll figure out what insmod is and then go from there! :) | 19:25 |
| nemo | crashanddie__: they can shield the cockpit computers and speakers all they want... | 19:25 |
| jott | or put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ and run a depmod ;) | 19:25 |
| brontide | nemo: then nokia's going to have some 'spaining to do to the FCC | 19:26 |
| nemo | brontide: why? you're not supposed to be using it? | 19:26 |
| RST38h | how would you interfere with tower comms? | 19:26 |
| nemo | RST38h: your RF is absorbed and reemitted at different scattered frequencies by bits of plain? dunno | 19:26 |
| RST38h | completely different set of frequencies | 19:26 |
| nemo | s/plain/plane/ | 19:26 |
| nemo | RST38h: see above | 19:26 |
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| RST38h | nemo: you are making stuff up | 19:27 |
| nemo | RST38h: sure. all speculation | 19:27 |
| nemo | they must have a reason though | 19:27 |
| Kegetys | its so that when things go wrong and the plane crashes or some life support equipment fails they can blame it on the guy who had his cell phone on | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | RST38h > a battery and a microwave 2000W capable device is enough | 19:27 |
| brontide | this is the govt, they don't need reason or accountability | 19:27 |
| RST38h | the reality is that the cell phone interference with avionics has not been confirmed | 19:27 |
| nemo | oooh. avionics | 19:27 |
| nemo | how about cell interference with other RF in general? :) | 19:28 |
| Kegetys | afaik. a fast flying cell phone causes more trouble to the cell network underneath than the plane | 19:28 |
| nemo | Kegetys: heard that one, but the airlines wouldn't care about that | 19:28 |
| brontide | That's another pet peeve, one commercial microwave probably generates more EM "noise" than all the cell phone in the airport | 19:28 |
| RST38h | kegetys: cell tower antennas do not transmit up | 19:28 |
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| nemo | RST38h: googling it does seem an RF transmitter can cause harmonics on other frequencies | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep but i don t think microwaves is autorized :) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | so you can fly over them all you want | 19:29 |
| Kegetys | RST38h: not directly up (by purpose) but the signals reach up anyway | 19:29 |
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| brontide | nemo: FCC tests and regulates the device to prevent just that sort of problem | 19:30 |
| nemo | I do know having a cell phone anywhere within a few metres of my computer speakers is annoying as hell | 19:30 |
| hircus | Khertan_n810: neat. I still rewatch "Les chevaliers du ciel" from time to time | 19:30 |
| nemo | I sure hope that doesn't happen to cockpit headphones | 19:30 |
| nemo | brontide: tests and regulates to prevent harmonics? :) | 19:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | hircus > hehe | 19:30 |
| brontide | Nokia would be in trouble if their devices were found to cause disruption to licences bands | 19:30 |
| brontide | and yes they do test | 19:30 |
| Kegetys | nemo: maybe if you take your phone next to the pilots headphones | 19:30 |
| hircus | RST38h: I thought there were isolated cases in the past, but modern planes are mostly well-insulated enough? | 19:30 |
| nemo | http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7493 | 19:31 |
| nemo | interesting | 19:31 |
| hircus | the scary thing is, some airlines are going to put GSM transmitters on planes. so now we can have alpha-male traders yakking down their business on a long-distance overnight flight :( | 19:31 |
| nemo | that article implies astronomers aren't happy, and also that it is now allowed | 19:31 |
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| nemo | Kegetys: first class isn't that far away, but hopefully cockpit has some shielding | 19:32 |
| hircus | nemo: yep, it is allowed. sad | 19:32 |
| nemo | "It pointed out that, as well as emitting radiation at their fundamental operating frequencies, cellphones leak radiation at integer multiples of these frequencies, called harmonics." | 19:32 |
| nemo | "The second harmonic happens to fall in a frequency band that reveals the molecular signature of newborn and dying stars and is among the 2% of frequencies in this part of the electromagnetic spectrum "reserved" for use by radio astronomers." | 19:32 |
| nemo | poor astronomers | 19:32 |
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| nemo | brontide: so. there you go. harmonics :-p | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | nemo > yep | 19:33 |
| nemo | for those mocking my poor knowledge of EF | 19:33 |
| hircus | nemo: any idea how reinforced steel interacts with radio transmission? US planes mostly have reinforced cockpit doors | 19:33 |
| nemo | hircus: great. is rest of cockpit steel too? :) | 19:33 |
| nemo | hircus: 'course, all that is needed is just some mesh | 19:33 |
| nemo | assuming it is there | 19:33 |
| hircus | nemo: nope :) but again, I don't think it's mostly a safety issue. it's mostly the airlines wanting you to use the expensive satphones | 19:34 |
| jott | i guess it is all about risk calculation. if there is the possibility (even with a low likelihood) that phones could cause some problems it goes into the equation. if its y > x then phones will be banned. new research changes parameters and hence y. | 19:34 |
| nemo | hircus: well, I've offered several possible reasons, and it looks like cellphones really do emit on harmonic frequencies | 19:34 |
| hircus | the NS article is a bit vague. which cell frequencies? GSM phones have three bands: 800, 1800, 1900 | 19:34 |
| nemo | hircus: so seriously. given the cellphone doesn't work right with tower locks whipping by, turn the damn thing off | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | does all this discussion is made to affraid me to take a civil flight for the first time ? | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:34 |
| chmac | Anyone know where depmod is to be found? | 19:34 |
| nemo | hircus: 1800 and 1900 are virtually same for all intents and purposes | 19:34 |
| brontide | nemo: and astronomers can't see stars because of light pollution, it still does not make cell phone dangerous on planes | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | chmac: ask jott :P | 19:35 |
| nemo | hircus: you could make an argument for 800 | 19:35 |
| hircus | nemo: apart from the fact that it did work during 9/11 | 19:35 |
| chmac | I can't find /sbin/depmod or /usr/sbin/depmod... | 19:35 |
| hircus | though I guess the planes were flying slow | 19:35 |
| nemo | hircus: in terms of slice of the EM spectrum | 19:35 |
| chmac | Perhaps reboot will be quicker :) | 19:35 |
| jott | chmac: http://sse2.net/depmod :> | 19:35 |
| hircus | brontide: radio astronomy, not affected by light pollution | 19:35 |
| nemo | brontide: at least they can move their observation somewhere where the towns aren't. harder to do with planes | 19:35 |
| chmac | jott: :) | 19:35 |
| nemo | brontide: aaaanyway. as I was pointing out. article also defends idea that cellphones interfere with frequencies outside their given ranges | 19:35 |
| nemo | and I don't think FCC can "control" that | 19:36 |
| brontide | all rf devices generate harmonics | 19:36 |
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| chmac | Reboot it is then :) | 19:36 |
| nemo | brontide: right. so. folks should stop whining and turn their cell phones off. what's the big deal | 19:36 |
| brontide | it's the amount of harmonics that matters | 19:36 |
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| hircus | the problem will be minimized, though, if onboard cell towers are used | 19:36 |
| t_s_o | hmm, didnt the mythbusters cover the topic of cellphones on a plane? | 19:36 |
| nemo | frankly, what makes me not want to fly in US is the draconian security measures | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | brontide > all electronical device generate harmonics ! | 19:36 |
| hircus | most phones are smart enough to use the minimal amount of transmit power, right? so if the signal from the tower is very clear, they'll dial back | 19:37 |
| t_s_o | nemo: those draconian security seems to be spreading | 19:37 |
| nemo | hircus: in air, all your tower signals will be weak :) | 19:37 |
| hircus | nemo: I'm talking about onboard cellular towers, though | 19:37 |
| nemo | t_s_o: at least the public outrage over their interest in shock collars caused them to scramble back from that one | 19:37 |
| hircus | i.e., the airlines actually providing their own cellular roaming service | 19:37 |
| t_s_o | say what? | 19:37 |
| nemo | hircus: ah. yeah. those are spreading | 19:38 |
| Proteous | god no, I don't want to be on stuck on a plane with a bunch of n00bs talking loudly on cell phones! | 19:38 |
| hircus | most of the plans to allow cell phones on board are like that. your phone will roam through the plane's service, and so they still take your money | 19:38 |
| nemo | t_s_o: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/08/1513259 | 19:38 |
| t_s_o | nemo: you have a link about those collars? | 19:38 |
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| nemo | ^^^ | 19:38 |
| t_s_o | ah, thanks | 19:38 |
| Kegetys | forget talking, I need to irc | 19:38 |
| Proteous | maybe some sort of no cell secion like the old smoking sections | 19:38 |
| hircus | thus my perception that it's a commercial, not safety issue. if the airline makes money they'll let you do anything safe. they don't care about radio astronomers -- or the passenger comfort :P | 19:38 |
| nemo | t_s_o: they then went "we weren't really considering it you sillies" | 19:38 |
| hircus | I'm 5'4" and I find a lot of plane seats cramped :) | 19:39 |
| nemo | t_s_o: I think the TSA is a testing ground for what americans will accept | 19:39 |
| t_s_o | heh, bracelets, not collars, but with the same basic effect... | 19:39 |
| Proteous | anal probes? check | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:39 |
| hircus | Proteous: or reverse that. have a cellphone section | 19:39 |
| nemo | t_s_o: they also have a new ID program. if you pay them $$ and submit to intense scruitiny of your life, you can go in the special lane! | 19:39 |
| hircus | that is noise-insulated | 19:39 |
| nemo | t_s_o: you still get searched | 19:39 |
| hircus | nemo: oh yes, that lane is mostly empty too | 19:39 |
| t_s_o | and people wonder why i have no need to visit that contry... | 19:40 |
| hircus | is the ID screening less tight on that lane, or is the benefit mostly because less people use it? | 19:40 |
| nemo | hircus: you just wave your special ID they give you | 19:40 |
| hircus | my suspicion with that scheme is that you're giving away even more personal info to the govt | 19:40 |
| nemo | hircus: I consider it a test program for national ID | 19:40 |
| nemo | hircus: oh. my life is already an open book. I had to get a green card | 19:40 |
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| nemo | and a security clearance | 19:40 |
| hircus | nemo: ah. I'm a foreigner here too, so yes. the last time I entered the country last year, they have switched to 10-finger prints | 19:41 |
| Kegetys | and if you fail on something with the test you paid for, you'll get banned from flying for life? :P | 19:41 |
| nemo | of course, the clearance was made easier since the green card already had laid my life bare | 19:41 |
| nemo | Kegetys: heh. no clue. | 19:41 |
| chmac | If I dump files in /lib/modules/kernel/blah/ do I need to then load them, or will they be loaded automagically? | 19:41 |
| t_s_o | some of the comments on that /. story is interesting | 19:41 |
| hircus | chmac: you sitll have to load them | 19:41 |
| chmac | Maybe depmod will be quicker than a reboot :) | 19:41 |
| nemo | Kegetys: has a stupid scientology-like name too | 19:41 |
| nemo | Kegetys: http://www.flyclear.com | 19:41 |
| hircus | t_s_o: which story? sorry, missed the URL | 19:41 |
| t_s_o | http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/08/1513259 | 19:41 |
| hircus | what the heck., it's not April 1st | 19:42 |
| t_s_o | it makes one wonder, sadly, if not the gun lobby is correct. a armed society makes for a polite society... | 19:43 |
| hircus | anyone here familiar with the Chinese tale "Journey to the West"? the monkey-god was restrained by the priest in the story using a restraining headband | 19:43 |
| nemo | hircus: they just "expressed interest" | 19:43 |
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| nemo | hircus: I seriously think they are testing what we'll accept :-p | 19:43 |
| nemo | hircus: just like "oh, you don't want to do the full body scan that shows your naughty bits?" ok - we'll just detain you for half an hour for a real strip search. congrats! | 19:44 |
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| hircus | power corrupts. reminds me of that Ursula K. LeGuin book, the Dispossessed, where children in an anarchist colony rediscovered police brutality when, out of curiosity, they role-played prisoner and guard | 19:45 |
| skunk | hi all | 19:45 |
| nemo | t_s_o: whether they are right or not, just wish the other side would have the guts to submit a constitutional amendment | 19:45 |
| nemo | t_s_o: just like the folks who feel the "illegal search and seizure" should not mean evidence obtained from illegal searches must be dropped. | 19:45 |
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| nemo | t_s_o: they should submit and amendment too | 19:45 |
| nemo | s/and/an/ | 19:46 |
| nemo | t_s_o: if so many people don't want guns, should be easy to strike down the 2nd. | 19:46 |
| nemo | hircus: she lifted that from the stanford experiment eh. | 19:46 |
| t_s_o | oh, they want guns. just not in the hands of the criminals... | 19:46 |
| skunk | :* | 19:46 |
| chmac | Ok, so I've got the kernel modules from that file in /lib/modules/kernel/blah/ | 19:47 |
| chmac | I've run depmod | 19:47 |
| nemo | t_s_o: yes. that worked great in DC :) | 19:47 |
| nemo | t_s_o: no criminals with guns here, noooo | 19:47 |
| nemo | t_s_o: was hilarious. this spring they had DC chief of police on local radio show. | 19:47 |
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| hircus | nemo: she did, yes | 19:47 |
| chmac | But I'm still getting "iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" | 19:47 |
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| chmac | Anyone got any suggestions? | 19:47 |
| hircus | the effect is more haunting when it's children that are doing it | 19:47 |
| nemo | t_s_o: host was sympathetic, but he asked "how is this working out? Wasn't it just last week someone walked up to a police officer with a concealed handgun and shot them?" | 19:48 |
| hircus | chmac: modprobe the module | 19:48 |
| nemo | t_s_o: her only response was that it'd be worse if they didn't have the ban in place. which maybe it would be. who knows. | 19:48 |
| chmac | hircus: Any idea which module? There are tons in the tgz | 19:48 |
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| hircus | chmac: one sec | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | block2mtd sucks. mtdram ftw | 19:48 |
| hircus | this is for iptables, right? | 19:48 |
| nemo | t_s_o: but I can tell you the DC residents who were calling in with horror stories of personal assault didn't feel that way | 19:48 |
| chmac | hircus: I'm trying to do nat routing for iptables, so I downloaded this file http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/netfilter-diablo.tgz | 19:49 |
| nemo | t_s_o: (this was on Cojo's show if you're a local) | 19:49 |
| nemo | t_s_o: on NPR | 19:49 |
| chmac | Then I dumped the files onto my tablet | 19:49 |
| hircus | chmac: try iptable_filter | 19:49 |
| chmac | hircus: Ok, cool, thanks :) | 19:49 |
| hircus | that's what's loaded on my Linux desktop that seems to pull all the other dependencies | 19:49 |
| t_s_o | not the least bit local, but sometimes i feel i have a better understanding of whats going on internally in usa, then internally here... | 19:49 |
| nemo | t_s_o: that's just 'cause US broadcasts it more :) | 19:50 |
| nemo | t_s_o: where from? | 19:50 |
| t_s_o | norway | 19:50 |
| nemo | good english | 19:50 |
| t_s_o | thanks | 19:50 |
| t_s_o | but you would probably not say the same if it was spoken ;) | 19:51 |
| hircus | t_s_o: the exception to the rule that oil-wealthy countries mismanage their wealth :) | 19:51 |
| * qwerty12 has yet to find a person from a Nordic country that doesn't speak good english :) | 19:51 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | re | 19:51 |
| t_s_o | hircus: i dont think the locals would agree | 19:51 |
| hircus | t_s_o: what are the major complaints? | 19:51 |
| chmac | hircus: I can't find an iptable_filter in the tgz... | 19:51 |
| t_s_o | that all branches of local government is underfunded | 19:52 |
| chmac | Will all modules in /lib/modules/kernel/ be loaded by `depmod -a` ? | 19:52 |
| hircus | t_s_o: heard of the government funding Norwegian students to study anywhere, which sounds nice | 19:52 |
| hircus | chmac: no, depmod does not load the module. modprobe or insmod does | 19:52 |
| hircus | let me download the tarball and see | 19:52 |
| jott | chmac: i think you are looking for iptable_nat | 19:52 |
| hircus | t_s_o: ah. | 19:52 |
| chmac | I get "insmod: cannot insert 'iptable_nat.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory" | 19:53 |
| hircus | chmac: using insmod or modprobe? | 19:53 |
| t_s_o | hircus: funded in the sense that you get a loan from the government... | 19:53 |
| chmac | insmod | 19:53 |
| * qwerty12 notices uber slowness after "modprobe mtdram total_size=88888 erase_size=256" | 19:53 | |
| hircus | chmac: insmod needs the fullpath. use 'modprobe iptable_nat' | 19:53 |
| hircus | t_s_o: ah. what are the repayment terms, though? in the US it's horrible | 19:54 |
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| chmac | hircus, jott: Ooooh, it seems to have worked, thanks a lot guys | 19:55 |
| chmac | Now for some testing | 19:55 |
| t_s_o | hard to tell, but they seem to always charge more interest then a bank would if you got one there | 19:55 |
| chmac | I'll have to pull my laptop offline while I mess around with it, I'll be back... | 19:55 |
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| t_s_o | but i guess one can see a problem when one of the biggest political parties battlecry is cheaper alcohol and fuel | 19:57 |
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| Churl | hi, can a n8x0 run things written in java? | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | no | 19:59 |
| bef0rd | yes and no | 20:00 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i think i recently read that someone had ported a javavm to the tablets... | 20:00 |
| Churl | well, my friend is going to code up a game for me, what should she write it in? | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo - Not perfect by any means though... | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | do u have see the job on maemo jobs news ? | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s seems that nokia is looking someone to make a pim ? | 20:01 |
| bef0rd | Churl, python + pygame? | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | python | 20:01 |
| Churl | how bout c++? | 20:01 |
| Churl | she likes that one best | 20:01 |
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| bef0rd | c++ / sdl ? | 20:01 |
| t_s_o | a lady with interest in c++? is she single? ;) | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Churl: Is this your Girlfriend from last time? :) | 20:02 |
| Churl | this wouldn't be the first time | 20:02 |
| Churl | yeah | 20:02 |
| Churl | lol | 20:02 |
| Churl | ill let her know, if you ask nice, she'll show you her math tattoos | 20:03 |
| t_s_o | heh | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 20:03 |
| Churl | im not joking | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, for C++, I think there is http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.html | 20:03 |
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| Churl | cool | 20:03 |
| bef0rd | she would need to setup the maemo develover environment | 20:03 |
| bef0rd | does she use linux? (winner question) | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Oh shit, compiz messed up and my firefox window literally keeps dancing 0_o | 20:04 |
| Churl | neat, I think ill get her in here. | 20:04 |
| Churl | xubuntu | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | download the vmware applyance ... more easy to install :) | 20:04 |
| Churl | yeah, she's the best ever | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: vmware image uses xubuntu :P | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | i know | 20:04 |
| t_s_o | http://xkcd.com/456/ <- hmm... | 20:04 |
| Churl | she loves xkcd too | 20:05 |
| Churl | I got linked that one by her the other day | 20:05 |
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| bef0rd | haha 457 is good to | 20:06 |
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| Churl | qwerty12: skmurphy says "hey" | 20:06 |
| bef0rd | Churl, are you running diablo or chinook? | 20:06 |
| Churl | diablo | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Churl: Hehe, hey. Before I carry on, I add that I am not a developer :) | 20:07 |
| t_s_o | bef0rd: i dont think the problem with those are the complexity, but that the big brain have shut down by the time one is attempting to open one... | 20:07 |
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| Churl | we're gonna go get lunch, then be back to ask questions in full force, together! thanks guys for the info. brb! | 20:08 |
| bef0rd | I solved one of those following instructions from a book >_> | 20:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, mtdram ftw. block2mtd is unsuitable for modifying initfs off a computer. | 20:16 |
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| chmac | Ok, no joy so far. I think I'm missing something during the load module stage | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | Do a dmesg after inserting the modules and see if you are getting any errors | 20:21 |
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| chmac | qwerty12: Errors would be at the bottom of the output would they? | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 20:22 |
| chmac | Not seeing anything that looks like an error | 20:22 |
| t_s_o | hmm, whats the default mode for the usb port on a N800 using diablo? i got some odd "error" here, but using usbcontrol to specifically set it to slave/perifial seems to have made it go away... | 20:24 |
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| chmac | qwerty12: Ok, getting somewhere. I modprobed everything in the tgz, now I see an error on dmesg | 20:28 |
| chmac | arp_tables: Unknown parameter `ipt_IDLETIMER' | 20:28 |
| chmac | However, I tried to modprobe that module first, before the ipt_IDLETIMER one, now I've modprobed the idletimer and the error one again | 20:28 |
| chmac | I only see the error once in dmesg, does that mean it's probably resolved now? | 20:28 |
| chmac | Is it a log file? | 20:28 |
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| chmac | Offtopic question, is there a way to `sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/etc` successfully? | 20:29 |
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| chmac | Maybe `sudo eval (echo 1 > /proc/sys/blah)` or something... | 20:29 |
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| chmac | Damn, I'm still not seeing any change to the output of `iptables -L` after running the relevant command | 20:31 |
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| chmac | Oh well, time to leave this hack for another day I think, it's half past midnight here | 20:31 |
| chmac | Thanks for all your help guys :) | 20:31 |
| chmac | G'night | 20:31 |
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| bef0rd | good old linux | 20:32 |
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| mikkov_ | maemo on assembly tv! | 20:52 |
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| mikkov_ | http://tv512.asm.fi/dss512k.sdp | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 21:05 |
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| GreyFoxx | Hmmm, how long should a initial GPS lock take with an N810 ? :) | 21:11 |
| bef0rd | :] | 21:12 |
| harriv | GreyFoxx: how long have you waited? | 21:12 |
| GreyFoxx | 15 minutes | 21:13 |
| GreyFoxx | right next to an open window | 21:13 |
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| GreyFoxx | but I am in a large building so surrounded by concrete and steel | 21:13 |
| skmurphy | we had to dangle one we had out of the window | 21:13 |
| GreyFoxx | A coworker has a bluetooth gps receiver attached to his n800 and it's less than 30 seconds or so :) | 21:14 |
| skmurphy | yep | 21:14 |
| skmurphy | this one is... | 21:14 |
| skmurphy | let me see if i can remember | 21:14 |
| skmurphy | oh well, i don't remember...some weird off-brand | 21:15 |
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| tank-man | try with agps | 21:18 |
| tank-man | my bt gps is quick too, 39 seconds | 21:18 |
| skmurphy | trimble, that's it! | 21:18 |
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| Churl | GreyFoxx: I would take it outside, in the open. are you gettting any sat.'s in range? | 21:21 |
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| GreyFoxx | Just sitting in there "Searching for GPS receiver" at the moment | 21:21 |
| GreyFoxx | I'm playing with settings, and had it set to File Path /dev/pgps | 21:22 |
| GreyFoxx | which isn't getting me anywhere :) | 21:22 |
| Churl | hold on, im gonna watch mine start up | 21:22 |
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| GreyFoxx | thanks, I'd love to know what your settings are | 21:23 |
| Churl | using maemo mapper? | 21:23 |
| GreyFoxx | yeah | 21:23 |
| Churl | id love to help | 21:23 |
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| GreyFoxx | It was defaulting to Bluetooth, so I changed it to filepath since I can see that device node is there on the box | 21:23 |
| Churl | GreyFoxx: so it doesn't get to "establishing gps fix" , correct? | 21:24 |
| skmurphy | hey Churl | 21:24 |
| Churl | hey skmurphy | 21:24 |
| GreyFoxx | Chur: Right, right now it's just saying "Searching for GPS receiver with the spinning circle | 21:24 |
| Churl | and what did you change? | 21:24 |
| Churl | is yours using bluetooth? | 21:25 |
| GreyFoxx | When into the mapper "Settings" option, and change it from the default of "blue tooth" to File Path | 21:25 |
| GreyFoxx | that's all so far | 21:25 |
| GreyFoxx | Since I have no gpsd running, and no bluetooth it was the only option to make sense :) | 21:25 |
| Churl | ok, so it's not a bluetooth gps, and you've got it dotted at "file path" /dev/pgps ? | 21:27 |
| GreyFoxx | yup | 21:27 |
| GreyFoxx | just restarting the app now in case the change didn't take effect without a restart | 21:27 |
| GreyFoxx | ok, apparently gpsd is running, lets try that too :) | 21:28 |
| Churl | my best idea is to get into the command line and make sure the path is correct | 21:29 |
| GreyFoxx | yeah I checked that right away | 21:29 |
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| ShadowJK | I think I have maemo mapper set to bluetooth gps even with internal gps... | 21:32 |
| Churl | neat | 21:32 |
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| irq | hey guys | 21:33 |
| irq | i have my n810 set to boot from the SD slot, and it works fine | 21:33 |
| irq | but i want to flash the new OS release in, and i'm wondering what that will do to the flash menu, etc | 21:33 |
| irq | and if i'll need to re-setup the sd booting | 21:33 |
| irq | or if i need to un-set it up etc | 21:34 |
| irq | any thoughts? | 21:34 |
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| Churl | I wish I knew too, I havnt tried yet cause im not too clear on the whole process | 21:40 |
| bef0rd | I think that if you use the commands / parameters posted on HowToFlashLastestFirmware it will overwrite your menu | 21:42 |
| bef0rd | but I believe there is an option to avoid it | 21:43 |
| bef0rd | don't quote me on that | 21:43 |
| Churl | "bef0rd" | 21:43 |
| Churl | you've been quoted! | 21:43 |
| bef0rd | :P | 21:44 |
| bef0rd | You can always reinstall the boot menu | 21:44 |
| bef0rd | (I believe) | 21:44 |
| irq | bef0rd: can you URL me on that page? google isn't being helpful | 21:44 |
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| Churl | irq: what's the new os release? | 21:46 |
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| bef0rd | what instructions did you follow to boot from the SD? | 21:46 |
| irq | churl diablo right? came out a few months ago | 21:46 |
| irq | bef0rd: i did this so long ago i have no memory | 21:46 |
| Churl | ok :) making sure | 21:47 |
| irq | i have the image i just need the macosx cli flasher util | 21:47 |
| irq | having trouble finding that | 21:47 |
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| bef0rd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:47 |
| irq | this page says "download flash utility from here: <blank>" like someone edited the URLs out nhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ | 21:48 |
| bef0rd | I guess that after flashing, you will have to do the part of installing the boot menu again | 21:48 |
| irq | that's okay | 21:48 |
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| bef0rd | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 21:49 |
| irq | i was just worried the procedure might be different with new release | 21:49 |
| irq | thanks bef0rd! | 21:49 |
| bef0rd | it *could* be different in some parts, you may want to ask to somebody more experimented with init flashing | 21:49 |
| bef0rd | qwerty12 (but he is not here) | 21:50 |
| bef0rd | jott | 21:50 |
| irq | i have a few customizations i am not looking forward to figuring out again | 21:50 |
| irq | i set up Fn+euro to be tab character and Fn+UKP to be pipe | 21:50 |
| irq | and it took like, 600,000 years of modifying random files until it worked :) | 21:50 |
| bef0rd | oh, I dont think that will broke, that's on your sd, right? | 21:51 |
| Cptnodegard | [20:50] <irq> and it took like, 600,000 years of modifying random files until it worked :) <- that should go into history as the short version of the bible xD | 21:51 |
| zap | actually you could spend a couple hours to find some xkb docs :) | 21:52 |
| bef0rd | pff, that's the easy way | 21:52 |
| bef0rd | :P | 21:52 |
| zap | but N8xx definitely needs a better keymap, true | 21:52 |
| irq | cptn: lol thanks :) | 21:54 |
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| zap | hmm | 21:54 |
| zap | is ITOS HE an official Nokia release? | 21:54 |
| irq | HE? | 21:55 |
| bef0rd | hacker edition | 21:55 |
| Cptnodegard | helium edition. everything you play on it sounds like its alvin and the chipmunks | 21:56 |
| zap | to download HE I would need to enter my serial number %-O | 21:56 |
| * Cptnodegard stops the sugar intake and gos away | 21:56 | |
| irq | is there a HE version of diablo | 21:56 |
| bef0rd | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 21:57 |
| bef0rd | HE is a stripped down version of diablo | 21:57 |
| irq | i thought HE only went to 2007 | 21:57 |
| bef0rd | oh, i mean os2008 | 21:57 |
| bef0rd | dont know if its diablo, or chinook | 21:57 |
| irq | can you summarize differences? | 21:57 |
| irq | between HE and non-HE | 21:57 |
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| bef0rd | not really | 21:58 |
| bef0rd | HE has less stuff probably | 21:58 |
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| bef0rd | it needs to fit on a smaller space | 21:58 |
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| bef0rd | 770 had less space for the OS | 21:59 |
| bef0rd | HE is just for 770 | 22:00 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 22:04 |
| GNUton | X-Fade: It failed again.. :( | 22:04 |
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| irq | is anyone here using 4.2008 diablo & booting off SD card? | 22:23 |
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| irq | how do i get 'gainroot' in diablo? the instructions online refer to bora... | 22:32 |
| bef0rd | install rootsh | 22:33 |
| bef0rd | from maemo extras | 22:33 |
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| irq | k | 22:33 |
| irq | i don't see it in list | 22:33 |
| irq | oh | 22:33 |
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| irq | maemo extras was disabled | 22:33 |
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| bef0rd | rootsh is not gainroot, but it does the same | 22:35 |
| irq | great | 22:36 |
| irq | thank youO2A! | 22:36 |
| irq | s/O2A// | 22:36 |
| irq | should i be concerned about adding repositories that are still lablede like bora? and not diablo? | 22:37 |
| irq | there's no one meta-repository anywhere? | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | ~root | 22:39 |
| bef0rd | infobot is not here :[ | 22:40 |
| Jaffa | bah | 22:40 |
| bef0rd | irq, you should only add diablo or chinook repositories | 22:41 |
| bef0rd | although there are some chinook apps that won't work | 22:41 |
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| nomis | Mhm, where is the canonical documentation for the various properties of the gstreamer nodes? | 22:45 |
| nomis | (specifically dspilbcsrc) | 22:47 |
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| bef0rd | you missed the / | 22:51 |
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| matan | No. Actually, the quit was destined to a different window. | 22:51 |
| tank-man | god | 22:51 |
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| irq | yes? : | 22:58 |
| irq | :) | 22:58 |
| irq | so bef0rd and anyone else | 23:01 |
| irq | what would you say are the 'must have' apps & repositories? | 23:02 |
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| bef0rd | don't know, I've just reflashed and I have only installed canola + mplayer, fbreader, ines | 23:11 |
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| jott | X-Fade: still not enough diskspace :( | 23:22 |
| X-Fade | jott: *@#$@**!!!! | 23:23 |
| X-Fade | jott: So that sucks. | 23:25 |
| jott | indeed. :( | 23:25 |
| X-Fade | I'll try to get something fixed or maybe I can move a builder to a different vm. | 23:26 |
| jott | yeah would be great, thanks. | 23:26 |
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| X-Fade | jott: I've asked Ed how hard it is to setup a new builder. I think I have a nice VM where we can run that temporarily. | 23:31 |
| X-Fade | That would give us some air until I get a more permanent setup arranged. | 23:31 |
| jott | ah yeah, nice. the more permanent solution will be approx. end of the month? (new servers?) | 23:32 |
| X-Fade | jott: Well that depends on budget etc etc.. | 23:33 |
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| X-Fade | New servers for the builder part at least. | 23:33 |
| jott | hm i see. well some vm with more hdd space would suffice i guess. | 23:33 |
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| X-Fade | And a bit more cpu power won't hurt ;) | 23:34 |
| X-Fade | btw, do you know if qt can be build with parallel makes? | 23:34 |
| jott | yes, should work. | 23:35 |
| X-Fade | Ok, that is something to look into later.. | 23:35 |
| X-Fade | Time for the weekend to start ;) | 23:36 |
| X-Fade | Well, I'll probably be here tomorrow morning.. | 23:36 |
| jott | allright. have fun! thanks for the heads up. | 23:36 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, we tested with small packages and now you guys start with mega ones.. | 23:37 |
| jott | (it's raining so i don't have much motivation going out tonight ;) | 23:37 |
| X-Fade | A moving target ;) | 23:37 |
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| jott | hehe, yeah qt is really heavy to build. | 23:38 |
| X-Fade | Anyway.... later ;) | 23:39 |
| jott | later! | 23:39 |
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| irq | what would you say are the 'must have' apps & repositories? | 23:42 |
| jott | does infobot have a list? ;) | 23:43 |
| jott | ~apps | 23:43 |
| infobot | i guess apps is at http://www.linuxapps.com | 23:43 |
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| jott | ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer and more. | 23:47 |
| infobot | jott: okay | 23:47 |
| jott | ~musthave | 23:47 |
| infobot | from memory, musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer and more. | 23:47 |
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| jott | ah and Advanced Backlight of course ;) | 23:48 |
| jott | ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl and much more. | 23:49 |
| infobot | ...but musthave is already something else... | 23:49 |
| jott | ~forget musthave | 23:49 |
| infobot | i forgot musthave, jott | 23:49 |
| jott | ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl and much more. | 23:49 |
| infobot | jott: okay | 23:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | a statusbar clock is useful to me | 23:50 |
| jott | any other suggestions? :) | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Transmission. Now I can pirate on the move :p | 23:51 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: is that the correct name? | 23:51 |
| jott | "Statusbar Clock" | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Large Statusbar Clock | 23:51 |
| jott | ~forget musthave | 23:52 |
| infobot | jott: i forgot musthave | 23:52 |
| jott | ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. | 23:52 |
| infobot | okay, jott | 23:52 |
| jott | there was also a wiki page, right? ;) | 23:52 |
| jott | ~forget musthave | 23:53 |
| infobot | jott: i forgot musthave | 23:53 |
| jott | ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects | 23:53 |
| infobot | jott: okay | 23:53 |
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| jott | bot spamming ;) | 23:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse sliderotate,hildon-input-method, searchmonkey | 23:57 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sliderotate,hildon-input-method, searchmonkey ! | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot: lame | 23:58 |
| jott | infobot: think of better punchlines, dude! | 23:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ha, syslog on this device was eating 16Mb of my mtdblock4 >.< | 23:59 |
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