| irq | what does advanced backlight do? | 00:00 |
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| camden | hello | 00:01 |
| jott | irq: provide more brightness levels, merges with the volume slider and adds rotation support if you have installed the right kernel + xserver. | 00:01 |
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| jott | (you also get one more slot free in your statusbar with it as you don't need brightness AND volume up there) | 00:02 |
| irq | is there an easy way to replace busybox with real versions of all the tools it provides - including bash? | 00:02 |
| irq | last time i tried, well, it ended badly. heh | 00:03 |
| jott | no | 00:03 |
| jott | (as in "no easy way") | 00:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bash is easy, the rest, not so easy | 00:03 |
| jott | yeah standalone bash can be installed without big problems. | 00:03 |
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| GNUton | Hi there | 00:05 |
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| GNUton | Hi jott! | 00:05 |
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| jott | GNUton: hello | 00:08 |
| jott | GNUton: still no luck with the packages :( | 00:08 |
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| GNUton | jott: yes :( it´s not the lucky day for me... not yet.. | 00:09 |
| jott | GNUton: X-Fade will take care of this. | 00:10 |
| jott | GNUton: any plans on moving to qt 4.4.1? ;) | 00:11 |
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| zap | Something happened with the extras autobuilder? | 00:12 |
| zap | I uploaded three packages, they built fine, but I don' | 00:13 |
| zap | don't see them in extras-devel | 00:13 |
| jott | maybe because the hdd is full?! :P | 00:13 |
| GNUton | jot: not yet. Probably after the akademy | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh crap, i must have uploaded my deb with porn to extras-devel | 00:14 |
| zap | jott: that's serious? | 00:15 |
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| jott | zap: yes. | 00:16 |
| zap | ah ok, I suppose Nokia' top management now looks where to get $200 for an extra 1Tb hdd... | 00:16 |
| jott | look at the last lines: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 00:16 |
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| jott | (i won't say that this is the cause of *your* problem, but it's entirely possible :) | 00:17 |
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| zap | definitely | 00:18 |
| zap | but I could swear I've seen the ready .debs | 00:18 |
| jott | yeah who knows what happens with them next ;) | 00:19 |
| zap | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/zip3_3.0-1maemo1/ | 00:19 |
| GNUton | qwerty12_N800: what is the deb to download? :P | 00:19 |
| zap | the logs says its allright | 00:19 |
| zap | but there's no package in extras-devel | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GNUton: Sorry, you are too young to download :p | 00:20 |
| GNUton | qwerty12_N800: :( | 00:20 |
| jott | zap: X-Fade is already out enjoying his earned weekend. So probably no fix until tomorrow... | 00:21 |
| zap | isn't tomorrow a weekend as well? | 00:21 |
| jott | yeah well, but x-fade is also around on weekends - flexible working hours, you know? | 00:22 |
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| zap | poor X-Fade | 00:23 |
| camden | I'm having some trouble with maemo mapper: whenever I enter the program and enable gps, the unit reports "Searching for GPS receiver" and never even starts trying to get a fix. it was working this morning, and I can't think of anything I changed. any ideas? | 00:25 |
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| jott | camden: with a n810 or external gps? | 00:26 |
| camden | sorry n810 diablo | 00:26 |
| zap | camden: thats normal, you have to start the Mapper application first | 00:26 |
| zap | get a fix in it, and then start Maemo Mapper | 00:26 |
| zap | I mean, start the Nokia supplied Map application | 00:26 |
| jott | hm i also get a fix without "map"... | 00:26 |
| camden | it was working this morning without map | 00:26 |
| zap | I often don't | 00:26 |
| zap | yes, sometimes it works | 00:27 |
| zap | but for me most of the time it doesn't | 00:27 |
| irq | [when people talk about the diablo kernel with 'high speed' patch, what does 'high speed' mean? faster SD access? | 00:27 |
| zap | yes | 00:27 |
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| zap | faster SD bus freq | 00:27 |
| jott | camden: the n810sometimes .. well does not like gps .. | 00:27 |
| camden | I mean, it's always worked without running map first, it may not have been able to find a fix, but it would find the reciever. | 00:27 |
| camden | receiver, even | 00:27 |
| irq | zap: why isn't the stock kernel like that? | 00:27 |
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| zap | irq: because thats non-standard, I believe | 00:27 |
| jott | camden: maybe agps data is broken? | 00:28 |
| irq | zap: against the SD spec? | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's unsupported by ti | 00:28 |
| irq | ah | 00:28 |
| zap | irq: I'm not sure, its just my guess | 00:28 |
| jott | camden: and sometimes the n810 gps really does not like to get a fix... | 00:28 |
| camden | jott: how could I check/repair | 00:28 |
| irq | hello, qwerty12. i saw a patch with your name on it also. what does your patch do? | 00:28 |
| camden | well bear in mind, it's not getting a fix that I'm having trouble with, it's finding the reciever itself. | 00:28 |
| zap | camden: does the GPS icon appear for a short time, then disappear? | 00:28 |
| jott | camden: have you tried to reboot? ;) | 00:29 |
| camden | yeah kinda. says searching for gps reciever for a while, then the icon disappears and comes back | 00:29 |
| camden | aye | 00:29 |
| camden | several reboots | 00:29 |
| zap | thats exactly my case | 00:29 |
| zap | Map fixes it | 00:29 |
| camden | map wasn't working either! I will try again tho | 00:29 |
| jott | strange, never happened here. try zaps idea. | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | irq: hi. hmm, i don't really make patches. i sometimes "port" a few, or just apply other peoples patches into one kernel. are you talking about android patch? | 00:30 |
| camden | do you have to have a data connection for gps do work? | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | arrgh, someone should point austin che to the old mce source so he shoves in alarm support into powerlaunch | 00:32 |
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| jott | camden: only for fetching data from the supl server for agps. | 00:33 |
| camden | zap: well, I pulled up map and it was able to start trying to get a fix, but then when I closed map and went back to mapper I get the same problem | 00:33 |
| camden | jott: and is agps the default mode? | 00:33 |
| jott | camden: hm, good question. i think only after installing supld (or agps-ui). | 00:34 |
| jott | but tbh, you problem does not really sound like agps.. | 00:34 |
| zap | camden: thats because you closed the Map application | 00:35 |
| zap | camden: start maemo mapper *before* closing Map | 00:35 |
| jott | zap: any idea why this is necessary? | 00:35 |
| zap | wait a little, and only after close it, or you may leave both running | 00:35 |
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| camden | hmm | 00:36 |
| zap | jott: no idea, but this trick saved my ass a lot of times | 00:36 |
| camden | I will try that. | 00:37 |
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| camden | effing wierd. | 00:39 |
| camden | zap's trick worked. | 00:39 |
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| zap | sum born gud, sum born evil, and sum born lucky | 00:40 |
| camden | ok well with that apparently solved, I have a completely unrelated question: was it just me or is android still basically useless? I had no wifi action at all so I couldn't even use the maps or browser. | 00:40 |
| jott | camden: the hacked android is ancient anyway. | 00:41 |
| zap | if it would be useful, would Google give it away? | 00:41 |
| * jott never understood the big fuss about it :/ | 00:41 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | android on n8x0 sucks | 00:41 |
| camden | qwerty12_N800: that was my experience, but I thought I read about others for whom wifi was working among other things | 00:42 |
| jott | camden: you have to be connected before starting android | 00:42 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: the middle two words are excessive | 00:42 |
| camden | oic | 00:42 |
| camden | well, it'll be interesting to see how it looks in another six months. | 00:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | camden: i'm the person who put the time into making it run on diablo and tbh after i got the kernel working, i saw nothing great | 00:43 |
| Blafasel | Okay, I'd like to do the most trivial and first step for mz garage contribution(s): I need a library in a newer version, it builds fine locally (well, with dpkg-buildpackge -d so far, I'd add a patch to fix the dependencies). Do I understand it correctly that I'd need to apply for an autobuilder account? Wiki, Uploading_to_Extras? | 00:44 |
| zap | yep | 00:44 |
| camden | qwerty12_N800: I saw that it was you who did that work. | 00:45 |
| camden | thanks for that, btw | 00:45 |
| Blafasel | zap: Thanks. | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | camden: hehe, real work was done by elinux + androidonn8x0 team. shame on them for tying the patch to chinook though... | 00:46 |
| RST38bis | hehe, microb is dead again | 00:47 |
| RST38bis | somehow this did not happen in chinook | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | browserd | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pos | 00:47 |
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| RST38bis | yep | 00:48 |
| RST38bis | every time it meets a piece of js, it goes into cardiac arrest | 00:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | What pisses me off, is that it's pretty much pointless. for example, i still can't close the browser window and leave a download running. still, wget does a nice job... | 00:49 |
| RST38bis | it is supposed to speed up browser startup | 00:50 |
| RST38bis | does not for me | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it sure as hell doesn't for me | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i read it's for nokia to provide web related services outside of the browser. if that is true, i have yet to see an app from nokia that does that | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | icd2 + browserd both suck | 00:51 |
| Blafasel | Is the browserd open source? | 00:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'm 80% sure it's not | 00:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rule of thumb, if it's a big component and made by nokia, assume it's closed source | 00:54 |
| RST38bis | whine about it to timeless | 00:54 |
| Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: If you would attend the summit and would be in a legal drinking age that comment would've earned you a beer. ;) | 00:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Blafasel: haha, thanks anyway | 00:56 |
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| Blafasel | But - beer's an aquired taste afaik anyway, so start with it before you are allowed to drink it to like it. *hides* | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha, my parents would beat me | 00:57 |
| Blafasel | Point them in my general direction and rely on the weight of germans reputation in the beer field.. Well, better don't. | 00:58 |
| RST38bis | tell them that it is either a pub or a bordello - surely they will make the right choice! | 01:01 |
| crashanddie__ | qwerty12_N800, ordering pizza on the net... Orgasmic | 01:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie__: yum, been a long while since i had dominoes... although, pizza hut had a visit from me a few weeks ago :D | 01:03 |
| crashanddie__ | qwerty12_N800, was pHut... | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 01:03 |
| Proteous | I don't realy call that stuff pizza | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie__ | well | 01:04 |
| crashanddie__ | it's ingredients on a circle of dough | 01:04 |
| RST38bis | it is no pizza | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | that video of the guy ordering pizza from the command line gets me laughing | 01:04 |
| Proteous | not to say that it isn't good sometimes, I gust think it tarnishes thr pizza name | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie__ | "Flat baked dough covered with a combination of meats, vegetables, cheese and tomato sauce." ""Open-faced pie made with yeast dough topped with savory toppings, originally from Naples." | 01:05 |
| crashanddie__ | I'm sorry, but that is exactly what I got | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie__ | well, not from Naples, obviously | 01:05 |
| Proteous | lol | 01:06 |
| crashanddie__ | anyway, bbl | 01:06 |
| Proteous | I guess technicaly what they put on there is meat and veg, although you don't want to go lloking into what patr of the garden/cow it comes from | 01:07 |
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| Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: Mind to share the video or some good keywords for google_ | 01:07 |
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| Proteous | typing fast on this n810 keyboard is a bit error prone with my fingers | 01:08 |
| t_s_o | hmm, now i got reminded of a old disney comic where goofy ordered a pizza by fax... | 01:08 |
| RST38bis | the words you all are looking for is a 'round piece of shit' | 01:08 |
| t_s_o | the insane thing is that he actually got it, but with the wrong topping ;) | 01:08 |
| Blafasel | RST38bis: With a cheesy crust! | 01:08 |
| RST38bis | sometimes. | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Blafasel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7pPajOvQGo | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not sure if it's the same vid, but the same program | 01:10 |
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| Proteous | I can order pizza from my hacked apple tv | 01:10 |
| Blafasel | That's insane ;) | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Haha, nice | 01:11 |
| t_s_o | hmm, now to hack it to work with peppes here in norway ;) | 01:11 |
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| RST38bis | sleep time. | 01:14 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, sounds like an idea. i have the complete ringworld on audio now so maybe i should put my N800 to good use ;) | 01:21 |
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| Binky | Hiii!! | 01:24 |
| * Binky had a cold receivement. | 01:27 | |
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| Blafasel | Just being curious here: The garage admins are community guys, right? Or Nokia staff? | 01:30 |
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| * flo_lap is not working for Nokia and is admin if he uses the right mechine | 01:32 | |
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| Binky | I'd like someone to answer... Anyone uses minimo? | 01:33 |
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| johnx | Binky, not many I think. I don't | 01:35 |
| Binky | johnx, I'd want an alternative to opera, but microb sucks unless it's on os2008. | 01:36 |
| johnx | minimo is much worse | 01:37 |
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| johnx | maybe look at webkit/midori... | 01:37 |
| Binky | Don't know about it | 01:37 |
| GNUton | night | 01:37 |
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| Binky | Can i find it with 'Webkit maemo' name? | 01:38 |
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| johnx | probably not | 01:40 |
| johnx | search midori maemo | 01:40 |
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| Binky | johnx, thank you | 01:41 |
| johnx | if you're on os2007 though, you might need to tweak the source code a little before it builds | 01:42 |
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| Binky | I'm on os2006 -_-U | 01:43 |
| johnx | well, I wish you the best of luck then... | 01:44 |
| johnx | but I think most development is centered around OS2008 these days | 01:44 |
| Binky | Yup, but i hate HE and I have N800 | 01:44 |
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| johnx | hmm, now I'm confused...You have a 770 and an N800 or what? | 01:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But face it, you aren't going to get the latest, best apps on OS2006. | 01:47 |
| Binky | johnx, only 770 | 01:50 |
| johnx | aaah, you just said you have n800 :) | 01:51 |
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| Binky | qwerty12_N800, but i can get stability and speedness | 01:51 |
| Binky | johnx, ooooohhh, sorry! my fault! lol | 01:52 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 would lose some stability for newer apps. i guess it's easy for me to say that though | 01:53 | |
| Binky | qwerty12_N800, SOME stability. but have the device rebooting every hour is not that great | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ouch. is it a common problem? | 01:56 |
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| Binky | qwerty12_N800, yess, but i'm going to run os2007he from mmc and see if i can handle it | 01:59 |
| Binky | Bye | 01:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart bzip2 | 02:00 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of bzip2's jugular vein | 02:00 | |
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| Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: Why's that? | 02:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Taking ages to extract. Then again, it could be blamed on the tablet. | 02:03 |
| Blafasel | Right. bzip is much more cpu bound from my experience, compared to zip stuff.. | 02:06 |
| Blafasel | But leads to better compression most of the time as well. On a tablet I'd probably sacrifice the space gain for faster decompression/compression. | 02:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah. It's been running for 30 minutes now. Still, 400MB to go... | 02:08 |
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| nomis | is the source for the ilbc-plugin for gstreamer available? | 02:23 |
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| jga23 | anybody got an example of how to use gstreamer with python? | 02:25 |
| jga23 | I've got it working on my desktop, but not on the tablet | 02:25 |
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| Blafasel | Who's Niels in here? | 02:30 |
| brontide | Got it... took a little fighting but I was able to record a screencast. Now I just have to see if I can clean it up http://www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/test.html | 02:30 |
| brontide | Could be handy for Summit/Training stuff | 02:30 |
| crashanddie__ | Blafasel, that would be X-Fade | 02:30 |
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| Blafasel | brontide: Cool | 02:31 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: You're the guy sending out answers to the "I want upload access to extras" mails? | 02:32 |
| jott | Blafasel: yes, he is (one of them?). | 02:33 |
| Blafasel | jott: I just ask because niels@... was trying to send me a mail an hour ago and was stopped by my greylisting. Now I'm seeing no further tries. I wonder if this is a permanent problem now or if the retry timeout is just higher | 02:34 |
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| angel_ | Hey, i am trying to find a link which could tell me how to flash my nokia n810 in R&D mode | 02:57 |
| angel_ | can anyone help? | 02:57 |
| summatusmentis | what do you mean? | 02:57 |
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| summatusmentis | it's really straightforward. Have you ever flashed before? | 02:57 |
| angel_ | i need to flash my nokia n810.. i dont know how to do it | 02:57 |
| angel_ | ya once long back | 02:57 |
| angel_ | i need the R&D mode | 02:57 |
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| nomis | jga23: there is a python gstreamer example at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html , I'd guess that it does not have changed that much to Diablo. | 02:58 |
| summatusmentis | angel_: it's part of flasher | 02:58 |
| angel_ | i downloaded the flasher | 02:59 |
| angel_ | i have the flasher 3.0 | 02:59 |
| jga23 | nomis: do you know of an example for playing audio? | 02:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | flasher-3.0 --help | 02:59 |
| angel_ | sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode -R | 02:59 |
| angel_ | is that wat i need to do? | 03:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, should do it | 03:00 |
| nomis | jga23: no, but you can probably follow the C-example for playing audio and translate it to python. | 03:00 |
| angel_ | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 03:00 |
| angel_ | then this? | 03:00 |
| jga23 | ahh, I figured it out, for some reason gstreamer isn't working with http:// addresses | 03:01 |
| jga23 | only file:// | 03:01 |
| nomis | jga23: what source-element did you use? | 03:02 |
| jga23 | its my local squeezecenter stream.mp3 | 03:02 |
| nomis | jga23: I mean the source-gstreamer-element | 03:03 |
| jga23 | oh, I just initialized gst with gst.parse_launch("playbin name=sink") | 03:03 |
| jga23 | and then set_property("uri", "http:....") | 03:04 |
| jga23 | it worked with file://, but not http:// | 03:04 |
| nomis | ah. Ok, no idea then. | 03:05 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade was based in Europe as well, right? So I'll try to catch him tomorrow or something. | 03:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, The Netherlands afaik. | 03:10 |
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| Blafasel | Thanks | 03:11 |
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| pupnik | Context, a European business and consumer technology research firm has just reported that pre-installed Linux was sold on 2.8% of all PCs bought in the UK in June 2008. Doesn't sound like much? In January 2007, desktop Linux's marketshare was 0.1%. http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_has_serious_plans_to_do_away_with_windows | 03:26 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a way to set a global proxy for all connections? | 03:50 |
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| irq | hey | 04:15 |
| irq | where can i get xmodmap for my n810? | 04:15 |
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| irq | anyone? | 04:18 |
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| irq | plz? £:) | 04:23 |
| trevor | how do you connect to a network share with the n810? | 04:23 |
| irq | the os2007 xmodmap won't install on diablo | 04:25 |
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| irq | is anyone around that can help with xmodmap? | 04:28 |
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| dick-richardson | anyone know where I can set a proxy globally? | 04:32 |
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| irq | xmodmap is at http://mg.pov.lt/770/ | 04:46 |
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| Silvermain | /links | 05:11 |
| Silvermain | /part | 05:16 |
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| bef0rd | ;_; | 05:45 |
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| trevor | what format should the sources.list file use? | 07:21 |
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| pupnik | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Gallium3D | 07:22 |
| pupnik | X11 is too crufty for the third millennium. We need fundamental changes for modern GPUs. | 07:23 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: X11 isn't a 3D API | 08:32 |
| RST38h | it is a framework where multiple APIs (including OpenGL btw) exist | 08:33 |
| pupnik | well yah | 08:37 |
| pupnik | nonetheless | 08:39 |
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| pupnik | "Ymanton will work on video decoding via shader instructions. To be prototyped on Gallium3D softpipe implementation first, it will be later implemented for Nouveau." | 08:44 |
| pupnik | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_39&num=1 | 08:44 |
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| pupnik | I'd like to see Gallium3D on OMAP3430 / 3530 | 08:45 |
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| RST38h | PowerVR is a much simpler piece of hw | 08:52 |
| RST38h | So, the likely answer is "no" =) But even a truncated version of OpenGL would be nice | 08:53 |
| pupnik | yeah | 08:54 |
| pupnik | http://www.radeonhd.org/?page=fosdem_videos | 08:54 |
| pupnik | FOSDEM X.Org 2008 Videos | 08:55 |
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| teamcobra | yeah, the dreamcast had a pvr, wicked chip | 09:01 |
| bef0rd | I believe I saw some opengl demos on powervr site | 09:02 |
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| bef0rd | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/demos/shaderbrowser2.asp | 09:08 |
| bef0rd | I mean http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/powervr-demos.asp | 09:08 |
| teamcobra | wonder how much money would have to be thrown into the pot to get drivers into maemo for it....... problem is, whoever wrote the drivers would probably have ndas, and the driver wouldn't be open, and thus not in mainline | 09:16 |
| teamcobra | unless there was a sudden break of common sense | 09:17 |
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| pupnik | omap3530 and 3430 is much more open from what i've heard | 09:19 |
| teamcobra | how much are the reference boards though? I'd help create a device | 09:20 |
| pupnik | beagleboards are very cheap / subsidized perhaps even | 09:20 |
| teamcobra | and by much more open, are there xorg glx/dri/directfb drivers? ;) | 09:20 |
| teamcobra | hmmmmm... I have enough to buy gear | 09:22 |
| pupnik | http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html | 09:22 |
| pupnik | glx yes afaik | 09:22 |
| pupnik | well yes to all i think | 09:23 |
| teamcobra | wowow, I should've bought this instead of an n810, but owell.... still, I shall build a nice prototype | 09:23 |
| teamcobra | I know how to do multitouch on a big screen, but how would I pull it off on a nseries-sized device? | 09:24 |
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| teamcobra | hahah, nevermind, it looks like apple actually has a patent on that ;p that's wrong, jeff han did a lot of work ;p | 09:35 |
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| pupnik | would be nice to mate an internet tablet to a larger (compatible) touchscreen | 09:52 |
| teamcobra | right, w/ more horsepower + opengl es 2.0 | 09:54 |
| teamcobra | I'd have to add more sd slots, one to accomodate a wifi card | 09:55 |
| teamcobra | built in 4-port usb, maybe an extra bus for a built-in wireless or bt | 09:56 |
| teamcobra | not an extra bus, but you get the idea... it's late ;p | 09:56 |
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| Cptnodegard | anyone here use omweather? | 10:07 |
| RST38h | yes? | 10:08 |
| Cptnodegard | the "enable station from gps" option | 10:09 |
| Cptnodegard | wtf is it for? | 10:09 |
| Cptnodegard | thought it was to add city via gps | 10:09 |
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| Cptnodegard | meh no way to add custom cities internationally...useless then | 10:12 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2189&stc=1&d=1217234247 <- whats the pap that allows for icons on the home screen? | 10:24 |
| bef0rd | personal-launcher | 10:25 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 10:25 |
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| Cptnodegard | can you adfd web bookmarks to personal-launch? | 10:33 |
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| Guest | Hi ! | 10:35 |
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| Khertan2 | :) | 10:36 |
| Khertan2 | my stupid desktop lcd is dead ...! | 10:36 |
| Khertan2 | pffff | 10:36 |
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| bef0rd | that happened to me aswell | 10:37 |
| Khertan2 | dark screen ... green led ... no osd when connecting or disconnecting cable | 10:38 |
| Khertan2 | and ... a great luminosity 1 seconds before the blackout ... | 10:38 |
| Khertan2 | 2,5 years | 10:38 |
| bef0rd | heh, at least the OSD works in mine | 10:38 |
| bef0rd | yea, it was not even 2 years old | 10:38 |
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| bef0rd | :/ it was already out of warranty obviously | 10:39 |
| Khertan2 | 2 year of warranty on the mine | 10:39 |
| Khertan2 | so ... going to buy an another | 10:40 |
| Cptnodegard | ./usr/bin/browser apparently launches the browser, can you add some shit to that to make it open specific pages? | 10:43 |
| Khertan2 | hum ... i ll don't buy another lcd | 10:43 |
| bef0rd | heh, I had a CRT | 10:43 |
| bef0rd | I'm using it atm | 10:43 |
| bef0rd | :< | 10:43 |
| bef0rd | Cptnodegard, probably, but I think that you need to add some parameters instead of shit | 10:44 |
| Khertan2 | crt powa ! | 10:44 |
| Cptnodegard | bef0rd lol yeah, i dont know how or what to add so thats why im asking if its even possible. trying to get a photobucket bookmark on personal-launch | 10:45 |
| liri | is there a big difference between the screen on the N810 compared to the N800 on sunlight? | 10:45 |
| tank-man | liri, imo no | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | liri: Day and night. | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | liri: You can't read the N800 in sunlight. | 10:47 |
| wnd | Cptnodegard, --url foo | 10:48 |
| Italodance | HELLO GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS | 10:51 |
| Cptnodegard | just --url url or some : or "" or whatnot? | 10:51 |
| bef0rd | OH HAI Italodance | 10:52 |
| wnd | e.g. "browser --url http://www.google.com/intl/en/", quotes if needed | 10:56 |
| liri | X-Fade: I see | 10:56 |
| wnd | I think it also parses "--url=foo" correctly | 10:56 |
| liri | I haven't seen the N810 so it is possible to stick in it a Micro SD instead o a Mini SD using one of those converters? | 10:57 |
| bef0rd | liri, yes | 10:58 |
| Cptnodegard | "browser -url lalal" didnt work, neither did browser --url lalala, browser --url=lalala, browser --url:lalala or browser --url "lalala" | 10:59 |
| liri | bef0rd: but would it be sticking out? | 10:59 |
| bef0rd | liri, erhm no | 10:59 |
| bef0rd | liri, I have an 8gb microsd + minisd adaptor | 11:00 |
| Cptnodegard | @ helping people, got it to work, thanks :d had to do a new item alltogether forpersonal-launch and not just edit the web one | 11:01 |
| liri | can you show a picture of it? | 11:01 |
| bef0rd | liri, the adaptor is exactly the same size / shape of a microsd | 11:02 |
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| liri | bef0rd: ahh I see | 11:03 |
| bef0rd | erm I mean, same size as a minisd, it has a small ranure where you put the microsd | 11:03 |
| liri | bef0rd: but how does it fit in the minisd compartment? isn't it supported to be smaller? | 11:03 |
| wnd | Cptnodegard, I can only say that "browser --url foo" works for me(tm) | 11:05 |
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| bef0rd | liri, www.beford.org/cosas/ | 11:18 |
| pupnik | "We expect the PowerVR SGX drivers to be publicly available by the end of 2008. Only the kernel portions will be open source. The PowerVR folks will provide binary user-space libraries." | 11:24 |
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| bef0rd | that's something :] | 11:24 |
| pupnik | unfortunately, i don't know of any plans to integrate 3d gui widgets or compositing into ITOS | 11:29 |
| pupnik | anybody know of such things? | 11:30 |
| glass | nice, nice | 11:32 |
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| doc|home | what's the best mapping app? | 11:34 |
| doc|home | (no gps) | 11:35 |
| bef0rd | maemo-mapper? | 11:40 |
| BugBlue | maemo-mapper without gps | 11:40 |
| doc|home | ok, thanks | 11:43 |
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| liri | bef0rd: cool thanks | 11:45 |
| liri | bef0rd: how are the speakers on the 810? I read they are less loud than the 800 model | 11:46 |
| bef0rd | i've never had a n800 but they are pretty loud | 11:47 |
| liri | ahh nice | 11:49 |
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| pupnik | mine seemed to reqire break-in at loud volume for many hours | 11:55 |
| pupnik | ugh X input | 11:57 |
| pupnik | ProcessInputEvents -> ProcessKeyEvent -> AccessXFilterKeyPress/Release -> XkbHandleActions -> XkbProcessKeyEvent -> CoreProcessKeyEvent | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | ah poor Daniel - fixing up X input headaches :) http://www.radeonhd.org/fosdem-2008/fosdem_2008_daniel.ogg | 12:02 |
| liri | anybody here with both N810 and N800 devices? | 12:02 |
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| khertan_ | Hi ! | 12:05 |
| khertan_ | I can't download any map with the default map app ... it s always failed | 12:05 |
| khertan_ | is there a way to download it elsewhere ? | 12:05 |
| khertan_ | a http site ? | 12:05 |
| khertan_ | hum ... maybe should i use a sniffer :) | 12:06 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie's already been there, done that... | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | ffs, I can't find that mkfs.jffs2 line to repack the initfs >.< | 12:18 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Is there a way to reinstall flash? | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | Diablo? | 12:22 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Chinook | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, out of luck then. | 12:22 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Damn | 12:23 |
| rm_you | lol yeah my flash is broken, i tried to get flash10 to work :P | 12:23 |
| Spaceman-N810 | I don't have access to a computer to reflash my tablet, as badly as it needs it atm | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | The only way I can think of reinstalling Flash in Chinook, requires a deb based linux distro and a *lot* of time | 12:24 |
| bef0rd | flash10 is i386 :P | 12:24 |
| zap | what's flash? you mean adobe flash, or flash ROM | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Flash as in adobe | 12:25 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Adobe flash | 12:25 |
| zap | um.. and how it comes you don't have it? its part of standard ROM | 12:25 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Mine broke | 12:25 |
| bef0rd | how? | 12:25 |
| zap | %-O | 12:25 |
| bef0rd | are you sure its not only disabled? | 12:25 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Specifically, adblock seems to have broken it | 12:26 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Ill look | 12:26 |
| bef0rd | have you checked on the components window? | 12:26 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Agh, that makes me mad... | 12:26 |
| bef0rd | what? | 12:27 |
| Spaceman-N810 | All this time ive suffered w/o flash | 12:27 |
| Spaceman-N810 | And it's just disabled | 12:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:27 |
| rm_you | sucks for you :( funny for me :P | 12:27 |
| bef0rd | I suffer with flash enabled | 12:27 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Well, its true that i've prolly benefited too | 12:28 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, atm I'm using MicroB with brontide's usercontent.css, flash and javascript disabled and I've never felt better browsing on a tablet. | 12:28 |
| khertan_ | lol ... | 12:28 |
| khertan_ | flash is only needed to see ad | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: in diablo its possible though, reinstalling flash | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | as adobe-flashplayer is on updates | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: I know, that's why I asked if he was using diablo. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | sometimes i question my own sanity.. i'm trying to make actual debian installer run on tablet | 12:30 |
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| pupnik | Stskeeps: apt-get works fine | 12:40 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: i'm talking about the one used on cd images and such :P | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, apt-get is prolly fine for many things | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Is there any point, I had fun using this installer on my tablet last time :P | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: not sure yet, just investigating since it is a more natural way to install and do preseed configurations and stuff | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | looking into a way where it would bootstrap a chroot folder with just enough to get things started, like an initrd | 12:47 |
| Addison | Greetings and salutations gentlemen! | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | so it doesn't need to affect maemo at all with packages | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | which is a plus since 2008HE (which we plan to support) is a bit low on space :) | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, tell them to upgrade :P | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, yerga's patch for full screen control panel is fun | 12:49 |
| bef0rd | control panel needs some patches to work ok on a rotated screen :P | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | In fullscreen mode, control panel works ok in rotation, easily usable. | 12:52 |
| bef0rd | small icons? | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, large icons | 12:52 |
| zap | Woo-hoo! looks like PowerVR will get some use soon :) | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | zap: drivers discussion wiki? | 12:54 |
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| zap | wiki and mailing list | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 12:55 |
| zap | <<We are working to get some version of driver available to developpers but it won't be any Nokia supported version. The plan is least tell in Maemo Summit could we resolve existing problem and make driver some way available.>> | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | zap: Plan to tell if ;) | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, I saw that message y/day | 12:56 |
| zap | X-Fade: well its nice to hear anyway that Nokia is on our side :) | 12:58 |
| zap | X-Fade: do you know what happened with the builder? | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | zap: ? | 12:59 |
| zap | it doesn't work, I'm trying to push zip/unzip/zip3 through for several days | 12:59 |
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| X-Fade | zap: I see them as OK? | 13:00 |
| zap | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/unzip_5.52-14-maemo3/ | 13:00 |
| zap | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/z/ | 13:00 |
| zap | no zip or zip3 here | 13:00 |
| zap | but in the builder the log says everything's ok | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | zap: Yeah, so it is not the builder but the repository queue. | 13:01 |
| zap | and how much it'll be here? | 13:02 |
| zap | I waited more than 24h, then uploaded them again yesterday at night | 13:02 |
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| X-Fade | zap: I'll check a bit later. | 13:02 |
| zap | thank you | 13:02 |
| zap | some people got out of disk space errors in their logs, maybe that's the reason... | 13:04 |
| bef0rd | is there any way to view microb error console? (does it even exist :) ?) | 13:12 |
| zap | Hey people, what do you think about making a garage project for quick maemo ports of unix packages? The idea is it to contain just the debian/ directory for packages, and use the unchanged mainstream tarball as base (all patches will go to debian/). | 13:13 |
| zap | I mean, it's overkill to make separate projects for every unix program in existence... | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | zap: Look at mudbuilder on garage. | 13:14 |
| zap | aha, ty | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | or mud-builder. | 13:14 |
| zap | I'm not the first to think of it? :) | 13:14 |
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| zap | Ugh, Perl... | 13:21 |
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| * zap is a perl hater... | 13:21 | |
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| lbt | anyone know of a video clip organiser for the tablet? | 13:25 |
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| bef0rd | have you seen videocenter? | 13:34 |
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| qwerty12 | bef0rd: btw, control panel full screen, rotated: http://i34.tinypic.com/e1w2c.png | 13:36 |
| RST38h | perl is good! | 13:37 |
| RST38h | [where it is needed of course] | 13:37 |
| lbt | perl is good anywhere! | 13:38 |
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| zap | well, fortunately you don't have to learn Perl to use mud-builder :) | 13:39 |
| bef0rd | qwerty12, it looks ok, it could look better though :P | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Jalimo guys released J2ME for N8x0 | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | It works :P | 13:39 |
| RST38h | So, whoever wanted to play those mobile java games, it is your lucky day | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: w00t :). | 13:39 |
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| zap | it must be damn slow | 13:39 |
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| t_s_o | ok, now im really confused. used the tablet until the battery showed close to empty. put it into offline and locked it, then left it there. it stayed that way for 10 hours! then when i hit the power button to wake up the screen it went dead on the spot... | 13:41 |
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| * qwerty12 is really liking the look of the preview of omweather 0.21 | 13:41 | |
| qwerty12 | Oh shit, it's in svn too, I'm building straight off | 13:43 |
| RST38h | zap: They say it is using JIT | 13:44 |
| zap | hmm, ARM JIT? | 13:44 |
| RST38h | zap: Also, it won't be slower than on my 208MHz E70 | 13:44 |
| RST38h | There is no ARM JIT | 13:44 |
| zap | qemu-like JIT? | 13:44 |
| RST38h | Jazelle is no JIT | 13:44 |
| RST38h | zap: *some* JIT that is part of Sun's PhoneME | 13:44 |
| zap | Ah, I was meaning "ARM JIT" as in "JIT for ARM cpus" | 13:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Screenshot? =) | 13:45 |
| RST38h | zap: Well, yes | 13:45 |
| zap | cool then, must try it ) | 13:45 |
| RST38h | zap: Tell us what you find! =) | 13:45 |
| * RST38h is kinda afraid to put this thing on his tablet | 13:45 | |
| glass | RST38h: url for that thing? like with lists of jsr's it supports etc | 13:46 |
| zap | what bad things can happen anyway? the worst - you will have to reflash, and I've passed through this lots of times ;) | 13:46 |
| glass | speed should be ok, but the resolution kills most games.. is it configurable? | 13:46 |
| RST38h | glass: http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/08/01/phoneme-for-maemo-and-openmoko/ | 13:46 |
| RST38h | The only problem is, these Jalimo guys are kinda introverted - it is very difficult to understand what they are talking about | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/omweather-021-preview/ | 13:47 |
| glass | hmm cdc != j2me | 13:47 |
| RST38h | glass: well, j2me is really cldc | 13:47 |
| RST38h | but cdc will do | 13:47 |
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| glass | yes.. but i'm not finding reference to midp anywhere | 13:48 |
| glass | do they have the classes for that or not? | 13:48 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Wow. Is it >20MB in size now? =) | 13:48 |
| RST38h | glass: oh, see, it is historical :) | 13:48 |
| RST38h | glass: midp became j2me that later became phoneme | 13:49 |
| RST38h | glass: it is the same freaking thing | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I hope not :D. Let's see if I can get this to build, debian changelog says it is 0.21 version... | 13:49 |
| glass | RST38h: ..? | 13:49 |
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| glass | RST38h: whidh midp version they support then or any? | 13:49 |
| RST38h | glass: prolly midp 2 | 13:50 |
| RST38h | glass: because phoneme is midp2 | 13:50 |
| glass | aha then. cldc 1.1 like? with floats | 13:51 |
| RST38h | this I do not know | 13:51 |
| RST38h | I guess running some benchmark will show you the exact version | 13:52 |
| bef0rd | http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Java#J2ME_MIDP2.0 | 13:53 |
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| RST38h | bedf0rd: I think it is different from the PhoneME they have just ported | 13:55 |
| bef0rd | but phoneme is another VM right? | 13:56 |
| RST38h | it is vm+libs | 13:58 |
| RST38h | libs are in C | 13:58 |
| RST38h | and there are Java wrapper for them | 13:58 |
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| blafasel | Talking about introverts.. The vala guys are somewhat unreachable.. | 14:00 |
| juergbi | blafasel: are we? | 14:01 |
| RST38h | blafasel: make a human sacrifice. | 14:01 |
| blafasel | Damn. You get me every time ;) | 14:02 |
| RST38h | or at least slaughter a goat. | 14:02 |
| blafasel | juergbi: WTF? =) Since when are you here? | 14:02 |
| juergbi | blafasel: for ages ;) | 14:02 |
| blafasel | And what's the magic highlight? | 14:02 |
| blafasel | "vala" + "hard" ;) | 14:02 |
| blafasel | At least this time I was idling patiently for 12 hours before I gave up though. | 14:03 |
| juergbi | i don't have much time, so i may be slow at responding sometimes but i try to answer when questions arise via irc | 14:04 |
| blafasel | juergbi: Do you own a maemo device? | 14:04 |
| juergbi | yes, i have a n810 | 14:04 |
| blafasel | Ah, nice | 14:04 |
| liri | juergbi: do you also have/had an N800? | 14:04 |
| juergbi | no | 14:05 |
| liri | juergbi: how's the GPS on the N80? | 14:05 |
| liri | err, *N810 | 14:05 |
| juergbi | it used to be pretty bad | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Nokia: Connecting People! | 14:06 |
| juergbi | however, with a-gps in diablo it works pretty well | 14:06 |
| RST38h | =) | 14:06 |
| juergbi | the map application could use some improvements but it works | 14:06 |
| blafasel | RST38h: ;) | 14:07 |
| blafasel | juergbi: Can I bug you with this vala question of mine? Do you have a second? | 14:07 |
| juergbi | yes | 14:08 |
| blafasel | Here or over in #vala? | 14:08 |
| liri | juergbi: ahh good | 14:08 |
| juergbi | #vala probably makes more sense | 14:08 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HhIt8A-d34 Picodrive Sega Genesis emulator running 150-175 fps on pandora dev board [ OMAP3530 ] | 14:11 |
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| zap | X-Fade: ah, forgot to ask: does DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS on maemo-builder include the 'thumb' option? I see my packages aren't built as thumb, although they have support for it | 14:12 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGz52EIVN8s Quake 2 on pandora devboard | 14:12 |
| zap | software or hardware 3D? | 14:12 |
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| zap | I can't believe, it's PowerVR :) | 14:22 |
| RST38h | it most likely is not | 14:23 |
| kulve | at least some of the pandora people do have beta sgx drivers. I really don't know if that uses them | 14:23 |
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| * RST38h can't believe PowerVR IP holder makes any money seeing how difficult it is to get access to their APIs | 14:23 | |
| zap | :) | 14:24 |
| kulve | RST38h: their API is used by millions of nokia phones | 14:24 |
| zap | ORLY? | 14:24 |
| kulve | afaik all those n-series phones uses powervr | 14:25 |
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| RST38h | kulve: but how many applications? | 14:25 |
| zap | haven't seen any 3D on my wife's father' N95 | 14:25 |
| kulve | RST38h: probably 0 :) | 14:25 |
| RST38h | "used" means "running inside an application" | 14:26 |
| glass | kulve: not all | 14:26 |
| kulve | RST38h: I excluded games from "application" | 14:26 |
| glass | zap: n95 can do really nice 3d | 14:26 |
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| zap | glass: how I can see it? | 14:27 |
| zap | N810 could do some nice 3D as well, perhaps | 14:27 |
| zap | just no drivers :) | 14:27 |
| kulve | zap: buy a game (if there really isn't any free ones) | 14:27 |
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| glass | kulve: just n93,n93i, e90, different n95 flavors and n82 have 3d in hw(might forget one model) | 14:27 |
| kulve | zap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N95 | 14:27 |
| kulve | "332 MHz Texas Instruments OMAP 2420" | 14:27 |
| kulve | "Fully HW accelerated 3D (OpenGL ES 1.1, HW accelerated Java 3D)" | 14:27 |
| glass | zap: download some 3d games that use it.. that one rally game at least and some others | 14:27 |
| glass | zap: or some j2me stuff that use the 3d lib | 14:28 |
| zap | ok | 14:28 |
| pupnik | software zap | 14:28 |
| glass | e90 does nice 3d on the highres inside screen | 14:29 |
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| RST38h | On the other hand "sell hw manufacturer some 3d crap, do not let his clients use it hoping that this way nobody figures out it is crap" is also a good strategy | 14:29 |
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| glass | i'm not sure but i think the quake port for n95 uses the 3d hw too | 14:30 |
| RST38h | it runs on 3d-less phones afaik | 14:32 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe_R787gREc jaguar emulator | 14:39 |
| glass | RST38h: the same libs use sw on phones without hw | 14:40 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH-mcMpBocU snes emulator | 14:41 |
| bef0rd | everybody is getting snes emulator but us :( | 14:43 |
| bef0rd | (decent speed snes emulator) | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | snes9x | 14:45 |
| RST38h | just port it (preferably gp2x version) and you are all set | 14:45 |
| bef0rd | I was checking somebody else's work trying to port a gp2x snes emulator, it was an horror, as he called the src package :P | 14:46 |
| RST38h | well, gp2x guys are kinda haxxorish | 14:47 |
| RST38h | but it should still be portable | 14:47 |
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| bef0rd | oh, it was pupnik heh http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html | 14:51 |
| khertan_ | huhu i get a new 22" screen ... | 14:52 |
| khertan_ | this change many things ! | 14:52 |
| bef0rd | ;_; | 14:54 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 15:13 |
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| lbt | python-tk anyone? | 15:31 |
| lbt | apt-get install python has it as 'suggested' | 15:31 |
| lbt | but it "has no installation candidate" | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't think tkinter is available on the tablet | 15:31 |
| lbt | is that a hangover from the upstream packaging then | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: was it mmc+unionfs that needed the case_ stuff or unionfs itself, btw? | 15:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: just the unionfs. the mmcunionfs is a bunch of scripts for it | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:34 |
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| khertan_ | my new screen have a dead pixel ... | 15:43 |
| khertan_ | in the middle ... | 15:43 |
| khertan_ | lol | 15:43 |
| khertan_ | hopefully buy it to a local store and the seller will exchange me it ... | 15:43 |
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| Stskeeps | why is | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | 'catapults' on the list of banned items on flights? .. | 15:44 |
| khertan_ | raaahahahahahahahah glade3 isn't really stable ! | 15:46 |
| khertan_ | lost my modifications !!! | 15:46 |
| khertan_ | grrr | 15:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps: so you can't you can catapult the pilot with a bomb and give him/her brain damage | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | also, this is in cabin baggage | 15:48 |
| jott | speaking of baggage, now it's official: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html | 15:49 |
| khertan_ | bye ... returning my screen to the seller ... :) | 15:50 |
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| RST38h | jott: Yep. Officially fucked. | 15:52 |
| jott | best thing is that they are allowed to share copies with "private entities" | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | The funny thing is, media inspection at the border was one of the USSR trademark kinks | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Didn't take long, hehe =) | 15:53 |
| jott | RST38h: hah moscow should sue them for patent violation :P | 15:53 |
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| rm_you | is that just in checked baggage, i wonder? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | jott: don't worry, local news outlets are sure to use this stuff for "no freedom in US" propaganda =) | 15:57 |
| rm_you | or if i am carrying my laptop with me on the plane, could they take it then too | 15:57 |
| RST38h | rm_you: no, personal inspection too | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: sounds like the local news have a point... | 15:57 |
| RST38h | they will take your laptop at customs checkpoint in the US, if they want to | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Oh, that is the whole point | 15:58 |
| RST38h | qwerty: On one hand, it is propaganda, on the other hand, they have got geniune basis for it | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true | 15:58 |
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| RST38h | it's isn't like western media treating Russia any differently though. | 15:59 |
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| zap | yesterday on TV they said even phones and memory cards/pen drives are taboo as well | 15:59 |
| RST38h | any media | 16:00 |
| RST38h | actually, I got into this kind of trouble once at NYC customs | 16:00 |
| zap | I was surprised because this is not mentioned in the media you gave a link to yesterday | 16:00 |
| bef0rd | it would be funny to travel with some of those old 5 1/4 floppy disks | 16:01 |
| RST38h | zap: if you google for it, you will see that they mean all the media | 16:01 |
| RST38h | zap: even pieces of paper with phone numbers in your pockets | 16:01 |
| zap | :)) | 16:01 |
| RST38h | bef0rd: Oh, in my case it was even BETTER | 16:01 |
| rm_you | it sucks but for once I'm counting on them to look at me as some white guy <_< | 16:01 |
| RST38h | bef0rd: I had a NOR flash chip soldered to a USB connector (no flash drive) | 16:01 |
| zap | oh my | 16:02 |
| RST38h | rm_you: They are prohibited from racial profiling, so they will anal-probe everyone =) | 16:02 |
| bef0rd | haha, self made storage device | 16:02 |
| RST38h | bef0rd: So when the guy asked me to show what is onit... | 16:02 |
| rm_you | heh, yeah, but they still do it <_< | 16:02 |
| zap | I would like to see their face if you would have an old-style alarm clock with some chips soldered and lots of wires around | 16:02 |
| RST38h | bef0rd: I pleasantly told him that it is no problem, but I will need a TV, an outlet to plug my devkit board in, and a computer to make connection to the devkit | 16:03 |
| RST38h | bef0rd: Guy sucked it up =) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | zap: You better not try | 16:03 |
| rm_you | i am not even concerned about what they would find, but I *NEED* my laptop for my job | 16:03 |
| RST38h | zap: They will find a reason or two to screw you up for good then | 16:03 |
| rm_you | i cant have them taking it for months | 16:03 |
| rm_you | or even weeks | 16:04 |
| jott | rm_you: let them copy your hdd and give them to some private entity. :/ | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll use google maps method of going from uk to us and swim | 16:05 |
| rm_you | I wonder what they would think of some of the stuff I have on there O_o | 16:05 |
| * rm_you visits 4chan /b/ sometimes | 16:06 | |
| rm_you | at least, it is all on arrival in US right? | 16:06 |
| bef0rd | btards :| | 16:07 |
| rm_you | so i wont have to worry about them stealing my N800 on the way to the summit <_< | 16:07 |
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| rm_you | I bet some of the security people at the airports are /b/tards | 16:07 |
| zap | they will enjoy your content them | 16:08 |
| zap | *then | 16:08 |
| lbt | http://www.truecrypt.org/ | 16:09 |
| lbt | now, can we use the multiboot to install it? | 16:09 |
| jott | lbt: encryption ensures your laptop will be taken :p | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | they'll want the decryption password | 16:10 |
| lbt | read the page :) | 16:10 |
| Veggen | jott: even if it's work policy? | 16:10 |
| Veggen | jott: it is at my work. | 16:10 |
| lbt | it will boot to a nice easy OS with innocent files | 16:10 |
| jott | Veggen: your work for the terrorists!? *scnr* | 16:10 |
| lbt | http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-operating-system | 16:11 |
| lbt | or it just boots a normal OS | 16:12 |
| Veggen | lbt: quite good idea, in fact, but *if* they discover something fishy, they'll never give it back ;) | 16:12 |
| jott | and if there is a truecrypt password prompt at bootup that *is* suspicious. | 16:13 |
| lbt | no, the laptop boot sector is normal | 16:13 |
| lbt | boots to the decoy os | 16:13 |
| Veggen | I think I'm never gonna bring my laptop to US without ensuring a) I have no sensitive data on it, b) that I have a complete/full backup from the day before I leave. | 16:13 |
| lbt | however, the usb stick (containing piccies) | 16:13 |
| lbt | has a boot sector | 16:14 |
| lbt | and *it* will point the laptop to the truecrypt bootloader | 16:14 |
| lbt | then that asks for a pw | 16:14 |
| lbt | which goes to the second decoy OS | 16:14 |
| Veggen | good idea, until you forget the USB stick at home. | 16:14 |
| lbt | or drop the laptop | 16:14 |
| lbt | or, or, or | 16:14 |
| lbt | paff ;) | 16:15 |
| zap | or they find the usb stick | 16:15 |
| zap | in your pocket | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and they decide to boot from it | 16:15 |
| rm_you | ship it via first class mail | 16:15 |
| lbt | and the guards have the knowledge to boot with the stick in place do they? | 16:15 |
| rm_you | they can't search THAT without probably cause :P | 16:15 |
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| lbt | and as I said, which goes to the second decoy OS | 16:15 |
| lbt | with 'confidential' work info on it | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lets hope they don't read maemo irc logs | 16:16 |
| lbt | which you admit under duress | 16:16 |
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| lbt | of course they do | 16:16 |
| bef0rd | :X | 16:16 |
| lbt | anyhow, Truecrypt is probably best of breed, if you care. | 16:17 |
| lbt | it's 'good enough' to get past TSA and to protect your data even if they confiscate it. | 16:18 |
| lbt | They can't then extradite you for copying CDs | 16:18 |
| bef0rd | I still think its easier to upload your sensitive data encrypted somewhere to the internet, and erase your hdd completly | 16:18 |
| RST38h | yes, seems to be the only way | 16:18 |
| lbt | bef0rd: yes, that's an alternative if you will have internet access | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i like rm_you's idea :p | 16:19 |
| jott | lbt: i still think you can see the presence of truecrypt (of course not proof the existence of the hidden os). | 16:20 |
| lbt | no you can't | 16:20 |
| jott | anyway, there are always ways to get data in and out | 16:20 |
| lbt | read Schnier if you like :) | 16:20 |
| lbt | s/ier/eier/ | 16:20 |
| infobot | lbt meant: read Schneier if you like :) | 16:20 |
| bef0rd | there are also a lot of places to hide an 8gb microsd too | 16:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | don't give them an excuse for anal probing... | 16:21 |
| jott | lbt: you can see a partition which has no real data on it => assume it is encrypted. | 16:21 |
| lbt | jott: no you can't | 16:21 |
| lbt | unused space | 16:22 |
| jott | lbt: you have an outer partition that is encrypted. | 16:22 |
| lbt | it can be set up properly; it can be set up badly | 16:22 |
| jott | every intelligence will *assume* that the "unsused" space contains encrypted data | 16:22 |
| lbt | that's OK | 16:22 |
| jott | unused | 16:22 |
| jott | if you tell them you used "truecrypt" it is OBVIOUS that there is probably a hidden partition. | 16:23 |
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| lbt | if someone who knows about truecrypt is talking to you then you are already in game over mode ;) | 16:23 |
| jott | (to reveal the outer partition) | 16:23 |
| lbt | as far as delays go | 16:23 |
| bef0rd | qwerty12_N800, lol, I was thinking in a watch, even a pacemaker, I dont think they will disassemble it :P | 16:23 |
| jihoon | I wonder about how I change the CPU frequency. | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bef0rd: hehe. a pacemaker is a bit extreme but i guess whatever it takes... | 16:25 |
| jihoon | Are there anyone who know about that? | 16:25 |
| jott | so i think this "hidden" partition under extorsion scenario is not very realistic :P | 16:25 |
| lbt | http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability | 16:25 |
| lbt | seriously, read up on it if you are interested. | 16:25 |
| lbt | your arguments will almost certainly have answers. | 16:25 |
| jott | lbt: seriously, it depends on what scenario you assume. | 16:26 |
| lbt | nothing is 100% secure | 16:27 |
| lbt | however this approach offers the current best of breed | 16:27 |
| jott | and *if* i expect data on a device and the person reveals the password saying it is truecrypt, it is obvious to assume that there is a hidden partition, no matter if there is no way to proof it. | 16:27 |
| lbt | hence Guantanamo bay... | 16:27 |
| lbt | your argument is "if they do something suspicuous then they are guilty - shoot them" | 16:28 |
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| jott | yes. | 16:28 |
| lbt | which seems like the US | 16:28 |
| jott | for example | 16:28 |
| jott | i suppose china too | 16:29 |
| lbt | indeed | 16:29 |
| lbt | however the problem is that the criteria you use for guilty | 16:29 |
| lbt | encompasses too many people | 16:29 |
| lbt | even for the US to 'disappear' | 16:29 |
| lbt | s/US/china/ | 16:29 |
| infobot | lbt meant: even for the china to 'disappear' | 16:29 |
| lbt | (sorry, easy to do nowadays ;) ) | 16:30 |
| lbt | OK - back to bootmenu | 16:30 |
| t_s_o | ah, there we go. new mauku installed | 16:31 |
| jott | well all i say it does not really matter if you use a hidden partition or not if you are in some states. | 16:31 |
| t_s_o | not sure i like the kinetic scroll, but thats a minor issue with the scroll bar turned on ;) | 16:32 |
| lbt | the thing is, the approach will get you past the TSA quick boot check... | 16:32 |
| lbt | does anyone know of any rules about partitioning an mmc card for multiboot? | 16:33 |
| jott | yeah well as i said, it's easy to get data in and out if you really want to. | 16:33 |
| lbt | ie the first partition should be vfat | 16:33 |
| jott | lbt: i set it up this way, less trouble. | 16:33 |
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| texel | lbt: what TSA quick boot check? | 16:34 |
| texel | lbt: I've never had to pass any such thing bringing my N810 in or out of the US. O.o | 16:34 |
| lbt | the TSA ask you to boot your laptop to make sure it isn't full of semtex | 16:34 |
| texel | lbt: semtex? O.o | 16:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bomb stuff iirc | 16:35 |
| texel | lbt: I've also never had to do that with full on laptops, either. =op | 16:35 |
| lbt | me neither | 16:35 |
| lbt | but they do it every now and again | 16:35 |
| texel | Actually, I had to do that /before/ the TSA started mucking with "security". | 16:35 |
| texel | I haven't since they started, though. | 16:35 |
| lbt | possibly more nowadays given recent news | 16:35 |
| texel | Recent news? | 16:35 |
| * texel has been in Tokyo for the last month | 16:35 | |
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| lbt | see "the internet" ;) | 16:36 |
| texel | Blargh. | 16:36 |
| texel | Too, much trouble to look it up. =op | 16:36 |
| texel | s/,// | 16:36 |
| infobot | texel meant: Too much trouble to look it up. =op | 16:36 |
| texel | (weird watching Japanese traditional kabuki on TV where they speak /mandarin/) | 16:37 |
| jott | texel: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html | 16:39 |
| texel | jott: Thanks. =o) | 16:39 |
| lbt | so, for multiboot on 8Gb MMC I was thinking : 2Gb vfat for data :: 1Gb ext3 Chinook everyday-use :: 512Mb ext3 Chinook test :: 512Mb ext3 Diablo test :: 512Mb ext3 2007 test:: 2Gb ext3 Debian :: Spare (not Truecrypt!!) | 16:41 |
| lbt | does that sound sensible? | 16:41 |
| lbt | do I need anything for the bootmenu thing? | 16:41 |
| texel | Well. | 16:41 |
| texel | Okay, so the plot thickens. | 16:41 |
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| texel | I was worried about that. | 16:41 |
| jott | lbt: probably some modifications to select the partitions | 16:42 |
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| lbt | jott: how do you mean? | 16:42 |
| texel | Looks like I get to image my laptops, encrypt the images, and then wipe all equipment when I go back to the states. =o( | 16:42 |
| lbt | I was going to pull the MMC to my desktop and partition there | 16:42 |
| jott | lbt: well just to have the correct menu entries :) | 16:42 |
| lbt | gotcha | 16:42 |
| lbt | the idea was to image the test partitions | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: you'll need to add entries bootmenu.conf | 16:42 |
| lbt | then I can easily restore them | 16:42 |
| lbt | to test installations, dependencies etc | 16:43 |
| jott | yeah sounds useful. | 16:43 |
| lbt | do I need a tiny partition to store bootmenu data? | 16:43 |
| lbt | I was going to do a wiki page | 16:43 |
| jott | no it's all in the initfs | 16:43 |
| lbt | where does that live? | 16:43 |
| lbt | in the flash? | 16:43 |
| jott | internal flash | 16:43 |
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| texel | jott: Big thanks for that link. =o) | 16:43 |
| lbt | OK, I may want to make a bootmenu partition then with things to flash | 16:44 |
| lbt | in the event of diablo upgrades overwriting it | 16:44 |
| lbt | etc | 16:44 |
| lbt | is ext3 the correct fs? rather than jffs2? | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 16:45 |
| jott | jffs2 is for mtd devices. | 16:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | some prefer ext2 over ext3 for mmc cards | 16:45 |
| lbt | isn't ext3 w/o journalling == ext2? | 16:46 |
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| jott | lbt: more or less. | 16:46 |
| lbt | [I always use XFS :) ] | 16:46 |
| jott | if you build the kernel module and modify the initfs scripts you should also be able to use xfs. | 16:47 |
| lbt | nah - no real benefit here | 16:48 |
| lbt | I want it to be generic | 16:48 |
| lbt | anyway have you seen the mem requirements to repair xfs | 16:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | just add the xfs module to be loaded to bootmenu.conf instead of going for the scripts directly | 16:48 |
| jott | actually bootmenu.conf is an initfs script :P | 16:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | true :D | 16:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | btw, does this look correct? I get the framebuffer output but then the n800 reboots: http://pastebin.com/m7a3c5627 | 16:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i may just end up duplicating lines in linuxrc and have flashfb as a "special" id | 16:53 |
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| t_s_o | lets just say that things are turning from silly to tragic with frightning efficiency... | 16:56 |
| t_s_o | well oops on me, the log was scrolled... | 16:56 |
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| texel | t_s_o: so are you taking about the US TSA/CBP issue? O.o | 16:59 |
| t_s_o | yep | 16:59 |
| texel | Mm. | 16:59 |
| texel | The worst part of it seems to be that the populace can't do anything about it. =o( | 17:00 |
| texel | Despite the fact that the US is a democracy, we have about as much input to the decisions of our politicians as the Japanese have with theirs. =o( | 17:00 |
| t_s_o | supposedly, japan to is a democracy... | 17:01 |
| texel | Right, they are, but in a different way. | 17:01 |
| t_s_o | still, i was ones corrected for calling either that, as neither is a true democracy... | 17:01 |
| texel | Well, they're "representative" democracies. | 17:02 |
| t_s_o | indeed | 17:02 |
| texel | A true 1:1 democracy isn't possible with such a large group of people. | 17:02 |
| t_s_o | i dont know, i think irc something brings out the anal detalist in people | 17:02 |
| texel | And can arguably be one of severely diminishing returns as people vote in blocs. | 17:02 |
| t_s_o | ugh, sometimes | 17:02 |
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| * texel shrugs | 17:03 | |
| texel | Personally, I'd rather establish the first interplanetary colony on the moon, Luna. =op | 17:03 |
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| texel | Defending it would certainly be easy -- just toss rocks at the invaders. >=o) | 17:04 |
| t_s_o | heh, i could have sworn there was a sci-fi book that contained something like that | 17:05 |
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| texel | t_s_o: there was. | 17:14 |
| texel | t_s_o: By Vox Day, I think. | 17:14 |
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| texel | t_s_o: "Rebel Moon" | 17:14 |
| texel | t_s_o: And also by Heinlein, actually. | 17:14 |
| texel | t_s_o: "Stranger in a Strange Land", IIRC. | 17:14 |
| t_s_o | i think maybe its the latter i have heard about | 17:14 |
| texel | Yeah. | 17:15 |
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| texel | The latter has a computer on the moon get mad at it's occupants and attack the earth by throwing rocks. =op | 17:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_: what is the difference in your port of lbreakout2 and Yann Benigot's one? | 17:17 |
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| t_s_o | texel: maybe it was "the moon is a harsh mistress" that you had in mind when you where thinking about a heinlein book | 17:22 |
| t_s_o | it could seem that a rail gun on the moon throwing rocks at the earth is a fairly common theme... | 17:24 |
| t_s_o | as for setting up a colony to get away from earth politics. didnt RMS talk about something that when writing about DRM and sharing? | 17:24 |
| texel | t_s_o: yes! Yeah, that's the one. =op | 17:26 |
| texel | t_s_o: Hm. I think so, now that you mention it. | 17:26 |
| texel | t_s_o: But I think it was for a demonstration of how bad DRM is. | 17:27 |
| texel | t_s_o: or misused copyright. | 17:27 |
| t_s_o | indeed | 17:27 |
| texel | t_s_o: I wasn't saying setting it up to get away from earth politics, really. | 17:27 |
| t_s_o | by setting up something of a hippie commune on the moon that shared media and ideas freely | 17:27 |
| texel | t_s_o: just to get away from this "terrorist" this and "terrorism" that shit. | 17:28 |
| texel | t_s_o: because getting to the moon is a crapload harder. =op | 17:28 |
| t_s_o | well i would say thats part of the political landscape these days, so... | 17:28 |
| texel | Mmm. | 17:28 |
| texel | True enough. =o/ | 17:28 |
| t_s_o | sadly i suspect that people like jfk are extinct these days... | 17:29 |
| t_s_o | that bullet did more then kill a man... | 17:29 |
| texel | Mm. | 17:29 |
| texel | I guess I"m just sick of having my rights slowly stripped away without my consent. | 17:29 |
| jott | it's actually a basis of modern politics to uphold the fear of terrorism. | 17:29 |
| texel | And what's worse is... | 17:29 |
| texel | ...when I protest... | 17:29 |
| texel | ...the large mass of IDIOTS around me respond with, "what? You don't like to be safe?" | 17:30 |
| texel | My usual response is "FUCK NO IF IT MEANS LOSING MY RIGHTS!" | 17:30 |
| texel | Which just pisses them off, of all things. | 17:30 |
| texel | Instead of making them think. | 17:30 |
| texel | Also, IDIOTS usually equals TSA guys and most of the general public. | 17:31 |
| texel | I actually had a little chat with one of them on the way through the checkpoint. | 17:31 |
| jott | given the number of homicides in the us it's actually quite "funny" to think about the increased safety by stripping basic freedoms. | 17:32 |
| texel | He had no idea what the word "draconian" meant, and stated to me (after I protested about the 3oz liquid ban) that "they were going to blow up planes with liquids" | 17:32 |
| t_s_o | http://www.stallman.org/images/brave-and-free.jpg | 17:32 |
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| texel | My response was, "So 'they' is me by that logic, and I clearly do not have anything that would be useful for such a thing, as by your own search." | 17:33 |
| t_s_o | sadly, just like no sane communist had a badge, no sane terrorist have one... | 17:34 |
| texel | Heh | 17:34 |
| texel | Yet they continually bandy about the "Terrorism ID badge" for all US citizens that essentially creates a national ID system to track /our own citizens/. | 17:35 |
| jott | i thought a beard was a terroist badge nowadays? :P | 17:35 |
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| texel | Nah. Anything that makes you look like anything but Bush is the badge. | 17:36 |
| texel | "That child is a terrorist!" | 17:36 |
| texel | "Why?" | 17:36 |
| jott | ah right either him or a terrorist. | 17:36 |
| mattis_ | can anyone help me with my usb-webcam problem?? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=209559 | 17:36 |
| texel | "He's smaller than the president!" | 17:36 |
| texel | "Burn her at the stake! She's a witch!" =op | 17:37 |
| texel | Eh. Enough complaining. | 17:38 |
| texel | Time for bed. | 17:38 |
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| bef0rd | g'night | 17:39 |
| bef0rd | breakfast time | 17:39 |
| texel | Hhe | 17:39 |
| texel | Rice balls are awesome for breakfast, btw. =o) | 17:39 |
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| t_s_o | jott: that beard comment made me think of something i ones heard about a terrorist in israel. to get past some guards unnoticed, he shaved his beared... | 17:43 |
| t_s_o | as for some kind of national id system, it can have both good and bad uses. and thats coming from someone thats grown up with one... | 17:45 |
| zap | Is this page still valid: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/UserSections/ ? | 17:45 |
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| zap | I had the impression that non-standard sections were deprecated... | 17:45 |
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| jott | zap: it's the old wiki and and old article... i think the maemo packaging policy lists the valid sections under user/ | 17:48 |
| jott | an | 17:48 |
| zap | sure, they are listed there too | 17:49 |
| zap | but it also lists a number of useful non-standard sections too | 17:49 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12_N800: I wasn't aware of other lbreakout2 port, but now reading the description I have pretty much same changes | 17:49 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_: Ah, cool | 17:49 |
| zap | jott: I would prefer for example zip/rar/unzip/tar/bash etc to go into user/Commandline and not into user/tools | 17:49 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty: I am still trying to get controls more touchscreen friendly | 17:51 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty: there is one mouse event i wan't to get rid of | 17:52 |
| jott | zap: i would say it's discouraged to use unsupported sections. | 17:52 |
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| fluentis | hi@all | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | mikkov_: great. I find lbreakout is a little awkward with regards to touchscreen sometimes | 17:53 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty: how? | 17:54 |
| fluentis | could somebody tell me more about the a-gps? how does it work? | 17:55 |
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| qwerty12 | mikkov_: it can be a little odd to move around | 17:55 |
| lbt | in the bootmenu initfs it says "If you remove extra stuff you may write to initfs and customize bootmenu." What's that about then? | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: if you are on diablo, you don't need to remove extra stuff | 17:56 |
| fluentis | and, yes - i've read the fab manual )) just don't think it works sometimes | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | the customisations consist of your own bootmenu.conf, utelnetd daemon and ssh server | 17:56 |
| lbt | I want to multiboot diablo/chinook/debian | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: if your flash has diablo then | 17:57 |
| lbt | it does - I'll say no for now then - ta | 17:57 |
| lbt | is this to allow pre-boot access? | 17:57 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: if you could describe a little bit closer, i will try to fix it ;) | 17:58 |
| qwerty12 | mikkov_: I'm sorry, I just can't seem to describe it. It may be just my imagination or my dodgy N800 touchscreen :) | 17:58 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12: there is limit to 100 fps option which might have something to do with it | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, interesting. I'll switch to your build later and try out the option after the tablet's finished charging. Thanks. | 18:01 |
| mikkov_ | that option is available from options menu | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | does anyone have a link to the most up to date way of getting mouse support? the itt thread is a mess | 18:02 |
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| jott | s/thread// :) | 18:04 |
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| qwerty12 | What's the codename for os2006? | 18:08 |
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| zap | gregale? | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 18:09 |
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| zap | Jaffa: are you here? Can I ask something about mud? | 18:10 |
| RST38h | rm_you: here? | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | the lgames have so far been quite high quality ports | 18:36 |
| pupnik | imo | 18:36 |
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| zap | what is lgames? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | http://lgames.sourceforge.net/ | 18:40 |
| zap | It would be cool if they would use full screen resolution | 18:41 |
| zap | but otherwise, I like them | 18:41 |
| * zap currently enjoys Metal Blob Solid | 18:41 | |
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| bef0rd | does microb store cache files somewhere? | 18:53 |
| lbt | what package has mkfs.ext2 in it? I thought ext2utils | 18:53 |
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| lbt | OK, I found e2fsprogs on debian - but it's not available on Diablo | 18:55 |
| GreyFoxx | Anyone know either if a contact can be added to the contact list via the commandline or where the data for contacts is tored if I want to automate importing contacts from another source ? | 18:57 |
| zap | lbt: make one using mud-builder | 18:57 |
| lbt | zap, I'm doing the https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card process (+ https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card) | 18:58 |
| lbt | and notice it's not in the repo | 18:58 |
| lbt | even adding Chinook extras | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | lbt: grab it from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 18:59 |
| t_s_o | interesting, mitter seems able to open a new browser window pr entry double-tapped. but the rss reader and modest fails to do the same... | 18:59 |
| zap | so its actually in extras | 18:59 |
| lbt | qwerty12: at the same time I'm trying to edit the wiki | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | zap: That's the SDK repo | 18:59 |
| zap | ah | 18:59 |
| lbt | so _I_ could make it work easily ;) | 18:59 |
| lbt | but I want to make notes about the 'proper' way | 19:00 |
| lbt | and I'm not immersed enough (yet) | 19:00 |
| lbt | (and actually, I mkfs'ed the partitions on my host so I don't need it at all!) | 19:01 |
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| pupnik | BURRRRRRRP | 19:10 |
| lbt | milhouse: are you there? | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | "It would appear that the US President has been briefed by Phoenix scientists about the discovery of something more "provocative" than the discovery of water existing on the Martian surface." | 19:29 |
| RST38h | [did they find OIL?] | 19:29 |
| GreyFoxx | RST: Where did you read that ? | 19:38 |
| GreyFoxx | ok, I see it on slashdot :) | 19:38 |
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| MangoFusion | RST38h: they discovered his brain? | 19:40 |
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| t_s_o | heh, its interesting how fast a comments status can change on /., first it was funny, now its flamebait... | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Grey: http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02/the-white-house-is-briefed-phoenix-about-to-announce-potential-for-life-on-mars/ | 19:45 |
| RST38h | Mango: It is either OIL, JESUS, or OSAMA. Nothing else will interest this administration. | 19:46 |
| bef0rd | zombies | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | Community kernels can suck my dick | 19:54 |
| lbt | that's JESUS | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | now where the fuck is my group management page | 19:54 |
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| tank-man | aliens | 19:57 |
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| MangoFusion | ah so they must have found jesus entombed in the ice | 19:58 |
| MangoFusion | or stuck oil | 19:58 |
| MangoFusion | or found osama bin laden. also entombed in the ice | 19:58 |
| MangoFusion | or they might have found the next Nokia Internet Tablet | 19:58 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 19:58 |
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| MangoFusion | those finn's must have discovered the transporter. | 20:00 |
| MangoFusion | nuke 'em! | 20:00 |
| jaska | whaaat | 20:01 |
| * jaska teleports to the bunker | 20:01 | |
| MangoFusion | i'm just bouncing off conspiracy theories here | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | Mango: Jesus in carbonite | 20:07 |
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| RST38h | Mango: This matches both "Jesus" and "oil" | 20:07 |
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| MangoFusion | RST38h: hahaha | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | someone kick this tosser already | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | Somebody kill him already | 20:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | fuck off | 20:26 |
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| bef0rd | *roll eyes* | 20:32 |
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| Atarii | :( | 20:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lol, who tf is this cunt anywayz | 20:34 |
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| t_s_o | heh, where is a op when you need one? ;) | 20:34 |
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| Atarii | /ignore jones- JOINS QUITS | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | *** Ignoring ALL messages from JONES- | 20:42 |
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| MangoFusion | zzzzz | 20:44 |
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| pupnik | aua | 20:45 |
| pupnik | Bach__J_S-Concerto_for_Violin_and_Orchestra_No_1__3-02-andante.mp3 | 20:45 |
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| Ursinha | jones-, you are being reported elsewhere twice, stop it | 20:46 |
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| Ursinha | *you've | 20:46 |
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| Ursinha | Cptnodegard, do you know any ops of this channel? | 20:48 |
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| Cptnodegard | hmm | 20:48 |
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| Cptnodegard | no | 20:49 |
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| Cptnodegard | hes the founder of the channel so at leats he has access | 20:49 |
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| Ursinha | Cptnodegard, we need a op to ban him | 20:50 |
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| Ursinha | since staffers are now allowed to interfere | 20:50 |
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| Ursinha | *are not | 20:51 |
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| Cptnodegard | thats retarded | 20:51 |
| Ursinha | grr | 20:51 |
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| Starnestommy | he's causing network-wide issues so we will take some sort of action | 20:51 |
| Ursinha | Cptnodegard, maybe he's using a misconfigured irc client | 20:51 |
| Cptnodegard | freenode is bad engou as it is, they should at least jhelp with this | 20:51 |
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| njan | Cptnodegard, we're aware of it - as you can understand, we're reluctant to just resolve things with force if possible. :) | 20:52 |
| njan | Cptnodegard, in the meantime, you're welcome to use /ignore - it should be taken care of within a couple of minutes, either way, hopefully. | 20:52 |
| Ursinha | Cptnodegard, that's what i was going to say | 20:52 |
| Starnestommy | it'll be over in a couple minutes | 20:52 |
| Starnestommy | actually, he's just been forced to take a break for a while so he can fix his client | 20:52 |
| Cptnodegard | good :D | 20:53 |
| Cptnodegard | network wide issues? o_0 | 20:53 |
| njan | Cptnodegard, he's in several channels :) | 20:53 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 20:53 |
| Cptnodegard | back to the topic | 20:54 |
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| Cptnodegard | i see qwerty12 isnthere, but does anyone know how hes running xchat on os2008? | 20:54 |
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| Ursinha | ok, i may now go | 20:54 |
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| khertan_ | Hi ! | 21:10 |
| mouser- | Hi! | 21:10 |
| khertan_ | someone know if a registration is needed for Thursday ? | 21:11 |
| mouser- | Sorry, I don't know, but there's probably someone else here that does. | 21:12 |
| mouser- | But if you're talking about the summit, there's a link for free registration at the site. | 21:13 |
| mouser- | Which, double checking, it's in September, so that's likely not what you're talking about. | 21:14 |
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| khertan_ | lol | 21:19 |
| khertan_ | i m talking about osim | 21:19 |
| mouser- | qwerty12_N800: Cptnodegard was wondering how you were running XChat on os2008 about a half-hour ago. | 21:20 |
| khertan_ | sorry don't have said it :) | 21:20 |
| khertan_ | mouser-: xchat is available in xtras-devel, isn't it ? | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | yup i was :D | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | according to maemo.org its 2007 only | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mouser-: heh. there's a chinook version on google and diablo one is in extras-devel | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | qwerty12_N800: hows it working? perfectly? | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | perfectly | 21:21 |
| * RST38h uses xchat on diablo and it works just fine | 21:21 | |
| RST38h | chinook version afaik | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | properly hildonised etc | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | nice. chinook version isnt in any repo? | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h: tbh, chinook version is the same as the diablo one 'cept the diablo one was built under diablo sdk | 21:22 |
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| Cptnodegard | as a noob im scared of stuff sying "EVALUATION Software! Not for productive work!" | 21:24 |
| mouser- | Yeah, but as long as you backup frequently and know how to flash your device, you're probably OK. Nothing should actually break it beyond repair, AFAIK. | 21:31 |
| * qwerty12_N800 should nudge pipeline to update gtk-gnutella | 21:31 | |
| mouser- | Could someone give me a list of the default repos that are installed in Diablo? | 21:32 |
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| sp3000 | hrm, why am I getting in this state where I'm connecting or disconnecting to wifi or phone and I can't actually connect or disconnect | 21:34 |
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| sp3000 | nor does visiting offline mode help | 21:36 |
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| sp3000 | also, why did I kill the channel | 22:24 |
| lbt | anyone know why http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ is borked? | 22:26 |
| tank-man | how so? | 22:32 |
| tank-man | are the instructions incorrect? | 22:32 |
| sp3000 | hmm, I should probably diablo up my N800, shouldn't I | 22:33 |
| lbt | when I look at it, all the 'pre' or command text is missing | 22:33 |
| lbt | sp3000: be aware of the ongoing 'extras' issues | 22:33 |
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| tank-man | its a pretty long page, what is missing? | 22:36 |
| lbt | right at the top section: Installation to the Tablet | 22:36 |
| lbt | oh, wait | 22:37 |
| lbt | it's not displaying | 22:37 |
| lbt | but when I cut'n'pasted it here | 22:37 |
| lbt | it was present | 22:37 |
| lbt | so I suspect a font problem locally | 22:37 |
| lbt | let me check... | 22:37 |
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| feingarden | Hello. Does anyone have time for some stupid questions from a newbie 770 owner? | 22:54 |
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| zap | don't ask to ask, just ask | 22:56 |
| RST38h | All right, MasterGear and Virtual GameBoy uploaded to Diablo Extras | 22:57 |
| feingarden | Gotcha. First question. Is 'red pill' mode persistent across resets of the device? If not, is it persistent across installations of other software or do I have to go into 'red pill' prior to each install activity. | 22:57 |
| RST38h | no.no. | 22:58 |
| feingarden | Sorry? I have to enter 'red pill' mode prior to each installation attempt? | 22:58 |
| RST38h | no | 22:59 |
| feingarden | Okay, only once after each reset, then? | 22:59 |
| RST38h | yes | 23:00 |
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| feingarden | Cool. Thanks! | 23:02 |
| t_s_o | and one should not be using red pill unless its really needed... | 23:03 |
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| XTL | and remember to turn it off before GA finds out | 23:06 |
| feingarden | Makes sense. One shouldn't use lighter fluid unless its really needed, too, and likely for the same reasons. Sooo... | 23:06 |
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| feingarden | How does one tell when it is really needed? Is it needed to install DosBOX? | 23:07 |
| zap | it is needed only if you want to install packages a end-user is not expected to install normally | 23:08 |
| zap | such as developer stuff | 23:08 |
| feingarden | Does Dosbox fall into that category? | 23:10 |
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| RST38h | If you can't instal dosbox in blue-pill mode, you should try installing it in red-pill mode. | 23:12 |
| feingarden | Has anyone here successfully installed it? | 23:13 |
| RST38h | apparently, judging from internettablettalk posts | 23:15 |
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| feingarden | I've started reading those, though the sheer number of them is somewhat daunting, they assume a level of device-specific knowledge that I'm still aspiring to, and they are frequently ambiguous as to which model they are referring to. | 23:17 |
| feingarden | Perhaps I'm trying to run prior to walking, but I'd love to have Dosbox running on my 770. That would be awesome. | 23:18 |
| t_s_o | unless its on the 770 part of the forum, or from around 2005, one can expect it to be about the N800 or N810, as they have the same basic internals and run the same basic firmware | 23:19 |
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| feingarden | It's in "software->gaming" which seems to cover all versions of the device. | 23:21 |
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| t_s_o | you may find this page useful: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php altho its not showing any packages for dosbox for the 770. at least not on the last official firmware. dont know about HE ones tho... | 23:24 |
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| t_s_o | heh, seems my 2005 comment was a bit overly old :P | 23:26 |
| t_s_o | ah, its pupnik thats doing dosbox for maemo. should have known... | 23:28 |
| nomis | Ok, I have a drawing area with a gstreamer xvimagesink on it and it shows the camera image nicely. However, when the widget is partially obscured and gets exposed again, the video does no longer get shown in that area. Do I have to paint the exposed area with the XV color key myself? | 23:28 |
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| nomis | gst_x_overlay_expose() in the drawing areas expose handler does not seem to help. | 23:29 |
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| t_s_o | im guessing that rubybox will only work on os2008, so thats out... | 23:31 |
| feingarden | t_s_o: Thanks for the link. I'd seen the gronmayer repositories listing before, and it seems like a wonderful list of thousands of ways that I can get myself and my device into serious trouble. pupnik is indeed the one doing dosbox, but the install instructions seem to be written to an audience more knowledgable than myself. Perhaps I should take that as a hint... | 23:31 |
| feingarden | I *think* that Rubybox is merely a gui front-end, which i don't think I'll need. I've got some Unix and some dosbox on PC experience that I should be able to leverage to get the games running once the emulator is up. | 23:32 |
| RST38h | it probably means that you should thoroughfully educate yourself in order to obtain knowledge necessary to follow pupnik's installation instruction and install dosbox on your device. | 23:32 |
| t_s_o | its not that hard really. its just that the thread on the itt forum have grown so long that while it probably started out with the 770 in focus, it have morphed into supporting the N810, without properly showing where the older stuff ends... | 23:32 |
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| t_s_o | are you installing the os2006 package on pupniks page, feingarden? | 23:33 |
| feingarden | RST: That's pretty much what i'm trying to do by asking these questions. Starting with baby steps... ;) | 23:33 |
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| feingarden | t_s_o: The OS2006 package fails to install (as it did prior to my reflash) telling me that the libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2 packages are missing. As I recall, my previous efforts to install these packages are what led to investigations into red pill modes and my device losing sound entirely. (Mea culpa, obviously, but learning often involves mistakes.) | 23:38 |
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| feingarden | However, I now see that both of those packages are included on the Minimo - X11-Common repository, so I'll give them a try again. | 23:41 |
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| Hrw|n810 | hi | 23:52 |
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