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| Dekaritae | sudo apt-get install p7zip | 00:04 |
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| Dekaritae | Er | 00:04 |
| Proteous | sudo TYPE INTO THE CORRECT TERM!!! | 00:04 |
| Proteous | END OF LINE | 00:04 |
| Proteous | GREETINGS PROGRAMS | 00:05 |
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| crashanddie | Proteous, what the hell was that all about ? | 00:13 |
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| Proteous | ADDRESS ME AS MCP | 00:16 |
| Proteous | END OF LINE | 00:16 |
| Proteous | tron2 trailer FTW | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | tr2n | 00:17 |
| Proteous | yes | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | Proteous, contrary to popular belief, caps lock isn't cruise control for cool | 00:17 |
| Proteous | IT IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | Proteous, just take it outside, along with the trash | 00:18 |
| Proteous | damn tron haters | 00:18 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not a hater, i just don't care about it, and the topic of this channel doesn't either | 00:18 |
| lcuk | cRASHANDDIE, BUT WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? iTS EVEN BETTER WITH ANTI-CAPS | 00:18 |
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| Proteous | CAPSLOCK FTW | 00:19 |
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| Proteous | BIG TIME 4EVA | 00:19 |
| Proteous | ER, TYPE | 00:19 |
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| Binky | A common typo... | 00:19 |
| Binky | Anyway, hi | 00:19 |
| Proteous | I blame it on too much coffee | 00:20 |
| Proteous | which explains a lot of my problems really | 00:20 |
| Binky | What problems? | 00:20 |
| crashanddie | I'd say you being born in the first place explains a lot of your problems | 00:20 |
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| Proteous | I'd say you are just bitter | 00:21 |
| Proteous | A BITTER BITTER OLD MAN | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | lol @ "OLD MAN" | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | Proteous, how old are you ? | 00:21 |
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| Proteous | 30 | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | wow | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | and I'm old | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | you're ancient | 00:21 |
| Proteous | you seem to be taking things quite seriously today | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, and if Proteous is ancient | 00:22 |
| Proteous | is this normal or just a special occasion? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | .|.. | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you're nothing less than a memory now :D | 00:22 |
| Binky | Well, can i ask somethinf? Does anyone knows about an aMule or any torrent client port to ITs? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | i was waiting for that | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | wasn't transmission ported to the NIT ? | 00:22 |
| Proteous | why would you want to run BT on a IT | 00:22 |
| lcuk | binky, wouldnt a torrent client be a bad idea - they rape normal harddrives, i would hate to see the results on an mmc | 00:23 |
| Proteous | I try not to use apps that just make me realise how slow my IT really is | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | Binky, AMA http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/transmission/ | 00:23 |
| Binky | Because my main computer is broken. I saw ctorrent, but i don't like it | 00:24 |
| Binky | lcuk, crashanddie , thank you | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | you're welcome | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | but trust me, you wouldn't like it | 00:27 |
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| Blafasel | Whoa. 30.. Yes, that's old. ;-p | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, I KNOW | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, imagine... There's even people OLDER than that | 00:38 |
| Blafasel | NO! | 00:38 |
| Blafasel | NO WAY! | 00:38 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:38 |
| Proteous | crazy, I know | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | I mean... Look at lcuk... He's like breaking world records... He's 33 !! | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love it when people complain about being on-topic. | 00:39 |
| Proteous | me too | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like anybody is actually on-topic 24/7. :P | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, OMFG YOU'RE OLD | 00:39 |
| lcuk | world records? | 00:39 |
| Blafasel | Actually.. T-24:20 and I turn 29 ;) | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, fix yer 770 yet? :P | 00:39 |
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| Proteous | no, got a n810 instead | 00:39 |
| Proteous | very happy with it | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | No warranty? | 00:39 |
| Proteous | no, I didn't send it in | 00:40 |
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| * lcuk throws up a little bit | 00:41 | |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: 33? Really? ;) | 00:42 |
| lcuk | yes Blafasel | 00:42 |
| Proteous | although the default mail client on os2008 leave something to be desired | 00:42 |
| lcuk | at least last time i checked | 00:42 |
| Proteous | I set it up to connect to my mail server via IMAP and every time it would check for mail it would freak out that there was new mail even though it was the same mail that was there before | 00:43 |
| Blafasel | Actually - I thought that the average NIT user would be "older" anyway, more the tinkerer and not the "Take it to school" user. But well. qwerty12 somehow destroyed my prejudices. | 00:43 |
| Proteous | I even took the time to go through and open the mail on the device so it would mark it as "read" but it didn't help | 00:44 |
| lcuk | lol Blafasel | 00:44 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | ive wanted a device like this for years, its been funds | 00:45 |
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| * esworp sees a ton of 'interal application errors' for the email client when it checks in the background. it's ok, but not stable. | 01:45 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | More lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207681&postcount=89 | 01:52 |
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| callahad | GeneralAntilles: Wow, I never knew you had a fan club | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty big | 01:54 |
| Blafasel | Uhm.. | 01:55 |
| Blafasel | Is that the same guy that argued because we have no 3D support? | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah | 01:56 |
| lcuk | no | 01:56 |
| Blafasel | Ok | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was Mutiny32/Kyle Jones | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the A2DP guy | 01:56 |
| t_s_o | there seems to be a lot of people out there that want to turn the N8*0 into a cheapo ipod touch... | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Similar approach | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | similar idiocy | 01:56 |
| Blafasel | But I don't understand the part with "3D wouldn't be usefull because Wesnoth (not 3D) is slow" | 01:57 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, its a perfectly reasonable thing to aim for? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | and its MORE expensive | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're actually about the same right now. | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | anyone seen my stylus? | 01:57 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: I agree, but it's an effort. It needs participation. Expecting an iPod Touch killer would be dumb. | 01:57 |
| * lbt want's a cheap ipod touch - that plays flac like it means it. <sigh> | 01:58 | |
| lcuk | Blafasel, tbh, if we had the graphical support its really simple to use a generic interface library to create visually pleasing ui | 01:58 |
| lbt | anyhow shopper now lives forever!! | 01:58 |
| t_s_o | while i see the potential for multimedia that the N8*0 have, i would not like it if something like canola became the default interface | 01:58 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Sure | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | lbt :D long live shopper | 01:59 |
| callahad | I could see liking a Nokia Npod. | 01:59 |
| lbt | (speaking of superb GUIs) | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I think IcoNyx is carrying it up his ass. ;) | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | now make it work in chinook :P | 01:59 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Like a _base_. Maybe with a prefix ;) | 01:59 |
| t_s_o | and that seems to be implied in the effort to turn the tablet into a itouch competitor... | 01:59 |
| lcuk | :) of course | 01:59 |
| lcuk | but i welcome ANY supported library | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | if we have the tools people want to play | 01:59 |
| Blafasel | Right | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | long term i see liqbase getting bindings for other graphics libraries | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | i have the functions and methods i expect to use, and im just learning how it all works. if real apps come of it (as it appears they are) then i will end up supporting it on other systems | 02:01 |
| * lcuk really hopes to have liqbase on his laptop for the usmmit | 02:01 | |
| lcuk | lbt, was it the osso thing for sure then | 02:02 |
| lbt | yes | 02:02 |
| lcuk | excellent | 02:02 |
| callahad | Quick question, before I reflash Diablo again... anything I should do to particularly enhance the Awesome? I'm planning on formatting my external card (8GB) to ext3. Anything else I should do? | 02:02 |
| t_s_o | heh, i got to say that i love how people continually find new stuff to put on the tablet "desktop". only thing i can think of that im missing (altho im not sure how much use i would get out of it) are a timezone converter or some applet that could show the time in multiple timezones at ones | 02:02 |
| t_s_o | yes, i know the default clock have something like that, but having it on the desktop would be a bit more accessible then having to open a whole window each time ;) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, i guess people just bookmark a single page - the amount of time people need something like that has to be of limited value | 02:03 |
| lcuk | but thats not saying it hasnt been done.. | 02:04 |
| t_s_o | well there is always stock traders or others that work across time zones | 02:04 |
| lcuk | have you looked if theres a debian version? | 02:05 |
| t_s_o | or just to remind one what the time zone of some people on a chat is ;) | 02:05 |
| t_s_o | nope, cant say i have | 02:05 |
| lcuk | heh yeah - but i think that should be in xchat personally | 02:05 |
| t_s_o | maybe so | 02:05 |
| lcuk | show 2 times, local and other user | 02:05 |
| lcuk | so when they say good morning at midnight you dont scratch your head | 02:05 |
| t_s_o | or maybe a user configureable number of times, depending on how much space the user wants to use | 02:06 |
| t_s_o | heh, last time i was in need of a dual zone clock was while keeping up with the consumer electronics show in las vegas | 02:09 |
| Blafasel | Is there a repository for the maemo buildbot as well? | 02:09 |
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| yelad | hi | 02:12 |
| yelad | who can help me with n810 problem? | 02:12 |
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| yelad | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22340 | 02:13 |
| yelad | here is my problem | 02:13 |
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| yelad | and when i put chmod +x tomake the flasher tool executable and i try to execute it term says me that the file no exist!! | 02:15 |
| yelad | :s | 02:15 |
| Proteous | I don't have any experience with flashing my n810 | 02:17 |
| Proteous | I need to buy a cable and upgrade to diablo | 02:17 |
| lcuk | yelad, you say you have tried the windows flasher | 02:17 |
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| yelad | lcuk | 02:18 |
| yelad | yes | 02:18 |
| Blafasel | Proteous: Buy a cable? Why? There's a cable included with your N810, no? | 02:18 |
| yelad | but windows not recognize the usb :P | 02:18 |
| lbt | 'night all | 02:18 |
| lcuk | gnite lbt | 02:18 |
| Proteous | not if you buy it used | 02:18 |
| Proteous | well, not for me anyway | 02:18 |
| Proteous | but I got a good deal | 02:18 |
| Proteous | and I can get a cable for a couple of bucks, just haven't done it yet | 02:19 |
| lcuk | make sure nokia is fully charged, remove from charger. boot windows, start the flasher doofer, then repeat trying to get it to start. it took me about 5 times to get it right. | 02:19 |
| yelad | uhm but i cant charge it | 02:20 |
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| yelad | when i try to charge it they reboot and reboot | 02:20 |
| Proteous | you don't have to boot your nokia to charge it | 02:20 |
| yelad | and show nokia logo | 02:20 |
| yelad | yes | 02:20 |
| yelad | but it boot | 02:20 |
| yelad | :s | 02:20 |
| Proteous | press the power button to turn it off when it tries then | 02:21 |
| lcuk | ok, try this: take the battery out for a short period, pop it back in. without pressing ANY buttons on 810 just plug your charger in | 02:21 |
| lcuk | no, dont press any buttons at all ever | 02:21 |
| lcuk | not even power on ;) | 02:21 |
| Proteous | heh | 02:21 |
| lcuk | pressing buttons leads to confusion :P | 02:22 |
| yelad | ok | 02:22 |
| flo_lap | good night | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | if you manage that, it will start its own proper charging cycle and not try to boot up | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | once that charging cycle says its fully charged you can then get on with the other stuff | 02:23 |
| yelad | ok i'll try but i tried to charge it before and the chargin cycle didn't appear | 02:23 |
| yelad | sorry by mu poor english Xd | 02:23 |
| lcuk | on mine it takes about 20-30 seconds to come on properly and say charging | 02:24 |
| lcuk | before that though, the backlight should come on the display - even if its black | 02:25 |
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| yelad | nothin y pluged the charger | 02:26 |
| yelad | nokia logo appears | 02:26 |
| yelad | then chargin logo appears | 02:26 |
| yelad | and reboot | 02:26 |
| yelad | then nokia logo appears and reboot, nokia logo again and reboot again and again again | 02:27 |
| yelad | :S | 02:27 |
| lcuk | do you have any peripherals plugged in (mmc cards the usb etc? | 02:27 |
| yelad | nothing mmc is unplugged | 02:27 |
| yelad | and usb too | 02:27 |
| yelad | only charger | 02:28 |
| Blafasel | Did you unplug the charger before you removed the battery? | 02:28 |
| yelad | yes | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | if something is going wrong when you are just attempting to charge then you will have to contact nokia | 02:28 |
| yelad | ok :( | 02:28 |
| lcuk | at that stage there is nothing that should be user configurable running and no reason for it to crash | 02:29 |
| lcuk | and since you have removed the battery now and basically tried everything you as a user can do (unplug everything etc) theres not a great deal that can be done from software | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | just a curiousity - is something caught in the power button? | 02:30 |
| lcuk | like a bit of pocket lint | 02:30 |
| yelad | ok, i'll contact nokia tomorrow, :( my holydais without n810 :( | 02:30 |
| yelad | power button is perfect | 02:31 |
| yelad | :d | 02:31 |
| lcuk | great, its contagious - mine wont switch on now | 02:33 |
| * lcuk powered down to see what might be happenin | 02:33 | |
| yelad | xD | 02:34 |
| *** GAN800 changes topic to "http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | tablets-dev is down (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3500), no we don't have a mirror" | 02:39 | |
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| gregorovius__ | Hi. I got a nokia n800 some days ago... I'm trying to use the email app with gmail's imap, but it doesn't seem to be 'pulling' folders/labels, I'm only getting inbox. Am I missing something? is this a bug? | 02:47 |
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| Proteous | I tried to use the built in email app yesterday, I almost threw my n810 out the window | 02:51 |
| gregorovius__ | and I tried installing claws, but it grinds everything to an almost complete stop | 02:53 |
| gregorovius__ | I'd like to use the default email app since I don't need many features | 02:53 |
| gregorovius__ | anyone? | 02:53 |
| lcuk | gregorovius__, i wouldnt knwo, does gmail need something specific to get all? | 02:54 |
| Proteous | I wasn't aware that gmail used folders | 02:54 |
| Proteous | I though it was all tags | 02:54 |
| gregorovius__ | gmail uses tags, but when accesed through imap, it translates the labels to folders | 02:55 |
| lcuk | so if i have tags for things the mail gets downloaded for each tag? | 02:57 |
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| t_s_o | are people talking about diablo and modest now? | 02:58 |
| gregorovius__ | lcuk, I think so | 03:00 |
| gregorovius__ | t_s_o, yes | 03:00 |
| lcuk | arghh! that would be doubly slow - ive got about 4 gb of mail and lots of mail has multiple tags | 03:00 |
| gregorovius__ | but it only downloads the headers | 03:01 |
| lcuk | hmmm maybe a cull is in order | 03:02 |
| lcuk | awww what happens if you want to read stuff and you are offline? | 03:04 |
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| gregorovius__ | you can't, unless you've downloaded the message previously, what you can configure in most email apps | 03:06 |
| yelad | cya m8s | 03:07 |
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| GAN800 | gregorovius__, you did update to Diablo, right? | 03:08 |
| GAN800 | 3g ping time: 5226ms | 03:09 |
| gregorovius__ | yes, I'm using diablo | 03:09 |
| lcuk | wow, ga - thats faster than my cable isp | 03:09 |
| Proteous | lol | 03:10 |
| gregorovius__ | on a n800 | 03:10 |
| lcuk | and it does depend on what you are pinging of course | 03:10 |
| lcuk | is tablets-dev still down? | 03:10 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, waiting dns to propagate. | 03:11 |
| lcuk | really - im gettin access denied? | 03:11 |
| GAN800 | Be up for everybody sometime tomorrow. | 03:11 |
| GAN800 | It stillo points to the old server. | 03:12 |
| lcuk | gotcha - which has been reconfigured | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | Which doesn't hist tablets-dev anymore | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | Dunno why they didn't just leave it up in both places | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | But, eh, Nokia. . . . | 03:12 |
| lcuk | nah, changes occur everywhere | 03:13 |
| lcuk | has anyone read dune? | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | Or my N800's autocomplete suggestion: Nokiasuxalot. | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | mememe | 03:13 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:13 |
| lcuk | i just started it (because its a series and not just a single book) | 03:14 |
| lcuk | but whether its just me bein tired or not, im just mehhh at what im reading | 03:14 |
| GAN800 | lol | 03:14 |
| lcuk | does it get better | 03:14 |
| GAN800 | Keep reading | 03:14 |
| GAN800 | It's seriously awesome | 03:15 |
| GAN800 | Just don't bother with the ones his son wrote. | 03:15 |
| lcuk | yer, ive heard good reviews, but its a bit of a slowburner | 03:15 |
| GAN800 | Many significant novels are. | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i try to stick in the same worlds - ive been into known space for a while | 03:16 |
| GAN800 | I think I really appreciated it more the second time around. | 03:16 |
| GAN800 | Sorta like the Big Lebowski | 03:16 |
| GAN800 | Gets better each time through | 03:16 |
| GAN800 | Has everything fallen apart yet? | 03:17 |
| lcuk | i prefer to read new stuff, niven is a god and has many books | 03:17 |
| GAN800 | or are you still being setup? | 03:17 |
| lcuk | no, its just gettin started - ive had it open for about a week and instead of getting into it my mind wanders | 03:17 |
| gregorovius__ | anyone knows where is modest's configuration files? | 03:18 |
| gregorovius__ | s/is/are | 03:18 |
| GAN800 | gconf | 03:18 |
| gregorovius__ | oh, no wonder I couldn't find anything in ~ | 03:19 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, perservere, it gets badass fast | 03:20 |
| lcuk | ok :) ill try not to drop my 810 tonight | 03:21 |
| gregorovius__ | lcuk, I second/third, dune is great | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | Haha, I love destroying stupid threads by bringing it down to everybody calling me an asshole. | 03:24 |
| lcuk | thats cos you are an asshole :P | 03:24 |
| lcuk | is this the same a2dp thread? | 03:26 |
| lcuk | wtf http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/2454539/Man-breaks-underwater-cycling-record.html | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | Where do these 'trolling is clearly the best way to be productive' people come from? | 03:29 |
| lcuk | i dunno, it invariably never works | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | It's like a bunch of sock puppet accounts. | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | Of course it doesn't work. | 03:29 |
| GAN800 | Idiots mouthing off is never effective. | 03:30 |
| lcuk | the best way to get people to help is to show you are serious and do whatever you can to mitigate or sort the problem yourself | 03:30 |
| lcuk | with loud customers, we request they go through the motions of their problems and do some monitoring and put together clear details of whats happening. when they do that we help them in a likewise manner and usually get issues resolved | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | the less effort people will have to put in order to solve your problem, the more gladly they'll help. | 03:32 |
| lcuk | the other alternative is they shut up and go away | 03:32 |
| lcuk | yes crashanddie, helping each other is important. like the guy who used his flatbed scanner to send me liqbase screenshots | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | yeah, for example :) | 03:33 |
| lcuk | i was amazed and made sure i solved his problem | 03:33 |
| lcuk | any cooler there yet? | 03:34 |
| gregorovius__ | well, modest from the modest repo works well... how can I make it default? | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | You know, with google, everybody's an expert about everything | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | You see that a lot in computer shops, or worse, in hospitals | 03:34 |
| GAN800 | Modest updated from the repo in Diablo? | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | People thinking they're have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | s/'re// | 03:35 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: People thinking they have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum | 03:35 |
| lcuk | well thats what they get for listening to you crashanddie :P | 03:35 |
| gregorovius__ | modest updated from [Repository is online] | 03:35 |
| gregorovius__ | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/ | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm not all that active on forums anymore... Got tired of people quoting me in front of me | 03:36 |
| lcuk | heh crash, but irc is logged in just the same way | 03:37 |
| * lcuk used it earlier | 03:37 | |
| crashanddie | haha | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I guess you saw the "that guy's a maniac" quote then ? :P | 03:37 |
| lcuk | yer :) | 03:38 |
| lcuk | lcuk: maniac genuis or somefin | 03:38 |
| GAN800 | Stupid cellular intarwebs | 03:38 |
| lcuk | :D:D:D:D @ spellin | 03:38 |
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| crashanddie | test test test | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | s/test// | 03:56 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: test test | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | test test test | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | s/test//g | 03:56 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: | 03:56 |
| GAN800 | gf | 04:00 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, ? | 04:01 |
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| GAN800 | s/gf/gj/ | 04:02 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: gj | 04:02 |
| GAN800 | : | 04:02 |
| GAN800 | P | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | go jog? | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | I already went today | 04:03 |
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| GAN800 | I'm going to call it a Dvorak/qwerty typo, but it was actually a lazy fkb typo. | 04:03 |
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| lcuk | gnite chan | 04:08 |
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| lcuk2 | lol oops | 04:08 |
| crashanddie | hey | 04:08 |
| *** lcuk2 is now known as lcuk_zzz | 04:08 | |
| crashanddie | xchat didn't pick you up leaving | 04:08 |
| lcuk_zzz | i meant to change nick not close it | 04:09 |
| crashanddie | that's what she said | 04:09 |
| lcuk_zzz | you best not be pointing your finger at me now | 04:09 |
| crashanddie | even if I were, I'd probably off a few hundred miles | 04:09 |
| crashanddie | s/off/be off/ | 04:10 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: even if I were, I'd probably be off a few hundred miles | 04:10 |
| crashanddie | s/be off/BOSS/ | 04:10 |
| crashanddie | heh | 04:11 |
| lcuk_zzz | heh - i know why it didnt log me out | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | the one who scripted infobot isn't all that stupid | 04:11 |
| crashanddie | ~infobot | 04:11 |
| infobot | crashanddie, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/) | 04:11 |
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| crashanddie | ~karma for GAN800 | 04:12 |
| infobot | for gan800 has neutral karma | 04:12 |
| crashanddie | ~karma for GeneralAntilles | 04:13 |
| infobot | for generalantilles has neutral karma | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | ~karma GeneralAntilles | 04:13 |
| infobot | generalantilles has neutral karma | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie++ | 04:13 |
| GAN800 | :( | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | ~crashanddie++ | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | haha (infobot) please don't karma yourself | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | ~karma crashanddie | 04:13 |
| infobot | crashanddie has neutral karma | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | ~GeneralAntilles++ | 04:13 |
| crashanddie | ~GAN800++ | 04:14 |
| crashanddie | ~karma GAN800 | 04:14 |
| infobot | gan800 has karma of 1 | 04:14 |
| crashanddie | w00t | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | lame. | 04:14 |
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| crashanddie | ~nickometer GAN800 | 04:20 |
| infobot | 'GAN800' is 69.000% lame, crashanddie | 04:20 |
| crashanddie | HEH | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | :( | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | ~nickometer crashanddie | 04:21 |
| infobot | 'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan800 | 04:21 |
| crashanddie | AHAHAHAHAHAHA | 04:21 |
| GAN800 | How's that work? | 04:21 |
| crashanddie | digits, I gather | 04:21 |
| *** crashanddie is now known as crash219and218di | 04:21 | |
| crash219and218di | ~nickometer crash219and218di | 04:22 |
| infobot | 'crash219and218di' is 66.000% lame, crash219and218di | 04:22 |
| GAN800 | ~nickometer crashanddie | 04:22 |
| infobot | 'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan800 | 04:22 |
| crash219and218di | hmm | 04:22 |
| *** crash219and218di is now known as crashanddie | 04:22 | |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer `0660 | 04:22 |
| infobot | '`0660' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie | 04:22 |
| GAN800 | Need the right nick. | 04:22 |
| GAN800 | ~nickometer 1234567890 | 04:22 |
| infobot | '1234567890' is 90.770% lame, gan800 | 04:22 |
| crashanddie | ouch | 04:22 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer GeneralAntilles | 04:23 |
| infobot | 'GeneralAntilles' is 0.000% lame, crashanddie | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | ~search google for maemo | 04:23 |
| GAN800 | lame function | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | ~google for maemo | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | ~traceroute google.com | 04:23 |
| infobot | traceroute to google.com (google.com), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets | 04:23 |
| GAN800 | I was kinda hoping it was tallying logs for some sort of cool metric. | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie | ~give me an excuse | 04:24 |
| * infobot gives an excuse to crashanddie | 04:24 | |
| crashanddie | ~give me an excuse, or excuse | 04:24 |
| * infobot gives an excuse, or excuse to crashanddie | 04:24 | |
| crashanddie | ~change 100USD to EUR | 04:25 |
| infobot | that doesn't look right | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | ~change 100 USD to EUR | 04:25 |
| infobot | i got some error trying that | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | ~nslookup google.com | 04:25 |
| infobot | google.com is 64.233.167.99 | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | ~$who am i ? | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | ~do you know who i am, $who ? | 04:26 |
| infobot | yes, I know who i am, $who. | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | ~echo $who | 04:26 |
| infobot | $who | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | ~echo $date | 04:26 |
| infobot | $date | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | stupid bot | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | infobot, join #gentoo | 04:27 |
| crashanddie | infobot, part #maemo | 04:27 |
| crashanddie | oh well, I've had enough fun | 04:27 |
| crashanddie | 'night, take care GA | 04:27 |
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| crashanddie | infobot, good night | 04:28 |
| infobot | Good night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! | 04:28 |
| Raytray | ~nickometer Raytray | 04:28 |
| infobot | 'Raytray' is 0.000% lame, raytray | 04:28 |
| * Raytray > GA. | 04:28 | |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer c0d3h4ck | 04:28 |
| infobot | 'c0d3h4ck' is 44.000% lame, crashanddie | 04:28 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer Guest92147 | 04:29 |
| infobot | 'Guest92147' is 48.000% lame, crashanddie | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | 'night, Frenchie. | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | lol | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | there's no one over your score GA | 04:29 |
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| GAN800 | :( | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | GAN800, got my message ? | 04:29 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, few days ago | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | I laughed | 04:30 |
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| crashanddie | ha :D | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | Oh, and that's apparently my dad on the voicemail | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | it is ? | 04:31 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, I didn't even notice | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | were you shocked when you heard the first part of "ze message" ? | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | We sounf pretty much the same. | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | I'm not as deep | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | Not particularly. :P | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | I fell right for the stereotype. :D | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | I don't have a french accent | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | Fuck y'all yanks | 04:33 |
| GAN800 | Yeah. noticed the uk accent. :P | 04:33 |
| GAN800 | Dinnertime, later. | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | well | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | A few days ago | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | some UK gal thought I was from Australia | 04:33 |
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| ryoohki | ~nickometer ryoohki | 04:58 |
| infobot | 'ryoohki' is 0.000% lame, ryoohki | 04:58 |
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| Toba | !nickometer Toba | 05:01 |
| Toba | er | 05:01 |
| Toba | ~nickometer Toba | 05:01 |
| infobot | 'Toba' is 0.000% lame, toba | 05:01 |
| Toba | ~nickometer xxxawesomedudexxx | 05:01 |
| infobot | 'xxxawesomedudexxx' is 73.000% lame, toba | 05:01 |
| Toba | ha. | 05:01 |
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| * robink tries out a dvorak keymapping. | 05:06 | |
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| robink | Took me about a minute to type that. | 05:08 |
| robink | slowly getting better. | 05:10 |
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| smyows | Helo | 05:16 |
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| smyows | I made one 3g usb modem works on n800 ;) | 05:26 |
| johnx | smyows, very cool :D | 05:27 |
| johnx | is it working well for you? | 05:27 |
| smyows | Perfect also one problem | 05:28 |
| smyows | If i connect via wvdial, the browser not works | 05:28 |
| smyows | He ask for new connection | 05:29 |
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| johnx | are you using dummyIAP? (I don't remember if that's possible in diablo) | 05:29 |
| smyows | I have to make one change in the hub to work ;p | 05:30 |
| smyows | No, i don't use this | 05:30 |
| smyows | What's dummyaip | 05:31 |
| johnx | hmm...this link looks kinda old: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP/ | 05:32 |
| smyows | Let me see | 05:33 |
| smyows | Hmmm verrrrrry interesting xD | 05:35 |
| smyows | I think if it works, my problem is end | 05:36 |
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| pupnik | http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcckX1kHWI this one reminds me a lot of the 'Reid' amiga tracker tunes | 05:39 |
| pupnik | oh sorry | 05:39 |
| robink | soon i will surpass my qwerty rate. | 05:44 |
| johnx | robink, that's the theory... | 05:44 |
| robink | hopefully it'll work out that way. | 05:48 |
| robink | I just printed out a cheatsheet. | 05:49 |
| robink | Anyone here use dvorak? | 05:52 |
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| Proteous | I listen to him on TWIT | 06:08 |
| Proteous | and cranky geeks | 06:08 |
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| Proteous | joke btw | 06:09 |
| smyows | johnx: hi | 06:09 |
| johnx | smyows, any luck? | 06:09 |
| smyows | I change the command, but do not work | 06:09 |
| smyows | At the moment i'm connected with 3g usb modem | 06:11 |
| johnx | smyows, maybe it's just not available any more. maybe you could make a wifi ad-hoc connection, then manually bring down the interface after it starts | 06:11 |
| smyows | Immm its a good idea | 06:11 |
| Proteous | my n810 keyboard is making me regret setting my sceen meta key to ctrl-o | 06:13 |
| smyows | Default connection shows on connectivy connections, but do not shows if i try to select | 06:14 |
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| smyows | johnx: with ad-hoc connection works xD, i down the interface with xterm | 06:17 |
| johnx | smyows, I found the info here: smy http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Diablo_PAN#Set_up | 06:17 |
| johnx | smyows, glad to hear it works for you :) | 06:17 |
| * johnx heads off to work now | 06:17 | |
| robink | Proteus: I didn't know John Dvorak was on TWIT. | 06:18 |
| Proteous | yeah | 06:18 |
| smyows | Little bit hack to work 3g usb modems ;) tomorrow i 'll write on my blog for brazillian users | 06:19 |
| Proteous | he's the best part | 06:19 |
| robink | All I listen to is FLOSS weekly. | 06:19 |
| robink | Slowly I improve. | 06:20 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:22 |
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| robink | I just hope I don't regret trying to learn DVORAK. | 06:24 |
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| Dekaritae | robink: Learning chording might be more useful long-term | 06:29 |
| smyows | So... Mission completed | 06:29 |
| smyows | Go to bed | 06:29 |
| smyows | Bye good night for all | 06:29 |
| robink | Dekarite: Chording? | 06:30 |
| Dekaritae | Like with a frogpad or joystick | 06:33 |
| robink | Oh. | 06:33 |
| Dekaritae | Dvorak is fundamentally a "home row" method, it won't give you any advantage on an N810 keyboard | 06:34 |
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| robink | Looking at the GCOS keyboard right now. | 06:35 |
| callahad | Wow, n810 + mplayer + h264 != a good experience | 06:36 |
| robink | I wasn't planning on remapping my N810. | 06:36 |
| robink | Haha I bet not. | 06:36 |
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| robink | oops s/C/K/ | 06:38 |
| robink | My typo rate is still higher with this new keymapping. | 06:39 |
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| Dekaritae | Heh | 06:44 |
| Dekaritae | Ideas move funny | 06:44 |
| Dekaritae | I've talked to people who used s// to indicate correction of a type | 06:44 |
| Dekaritae | But who hadn't heard of regular expressions | 06:45 |
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| robink | I've heard of that. | 06:45 |
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| robink | I'm still not sure I'll be able to type as fast with a dvorak keymapping as I can with QWERTY. | 06:49 |
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| unixSnob | A phd spent a good amount of time proving that the DVORAK keyboard is faster. | 07:22 |
| unixSnob | probably makes no difference if you're fat-fingering tiny keys | 07:22 |
| unixSnob | but certainly it makes a difference on a full size keyboard | 07:23 |
| unixSnob | for fat-fingering a tiny keyboard, someone could come up with a similar concept.. perhaps a whole new arrangement that only makes the thumb stretch for the least common letters | 07:24 |
| unixSnob | instead of having one home row, you would have two home /columns/ | 07:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | robink, I use Dvorak. | 07:27 |
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| robink | GeneralAntilles: Cool. | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's definitely worth it | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pick up an IBM Model M/New Unicomp board while you're at it. | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just be sure to continue using qwerty while you're learning | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you don't unlearn your qwerty skills | 07:43 |
| Dekaritae | unixSnob: Chording keyboards are the solution to the 'tiny keys' problem | 07:43 |
| robink | I'm going to switch back to QWERTY to finish my resume. | 07:46 |
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| F-i-G | Can anyone recommend a good US data plan / Cell phone to tether the n810 with? | 07:46 |
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| robink | Right now I'm using a Happy Hacking keyboard. | 07:48 |
| robink | I'll see if I can pick up a new IBM keyboard somewheres. | 07:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.pckeyboard.com | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | They make new ones | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very nice boards. | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I own 3. | 07:50 |
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| robink | Buckling spring? | 07:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, buckling spring. | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unicomp got the patents from Lexmark. | 07:55 |
| robink | Which particular model do you recommend? | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Customizer | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can get the one with the nipple mouse | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | if you like nipple mice | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | expensive, though | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That with USB | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can call them to get 'em to switch it to Dvorak if you want | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | or switch the caps when you get it. | 07:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The dots on f and j are a decent way for me to tell qwerty and Dvorak keyboards apart by feel. | 07:59 |
| rm_you | nipple mice? >_> | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/onthestick.html | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, actually: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104wh.html | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a bit cheaper | 08:00 |
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| robink | I'll check out the customizer when I get some cash. | 08:03 |
| Dekaritae | GeneralAntilles: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ | 08:04 |
| Dekaritae | They sell Model M's with trackpoints and trackballs | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need a Windows key | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Useless without one | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and IBM didn't make many of those. | 08:07 |
| Dekaritae | Capslock remap? | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, not worth the effort | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I already have the keyboards I want. | 08:07 |
| rm_you | actually, i hate to say it, but i need the windows key too. not in windows, I usually disable it in windows :P but in linux I need it for Super | 08:07 |
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| aspect | I use the windows key for WM shortcuts -- leave alt for applications | 08:08 |
| rm_you | dunno where my windows key is currently tho <_< i pried it off when i was on my windows comp | 08:08 |
| * robink 's super key is actually a super key. | 08:09 | |
| Dekaritae | ErgoDex DX1? | 08:11 |
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| Dekaritae | http://www.ergodex.com/ | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | wb johnx | 08:12 |
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| robink | pffff | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: me and zanshin slowly started a port to 770, isn't easy as there's like 6m free on os2008he :P so we do it through debootstrap tar.gz with second stage and a -lot- of mount --bind and then postdebootstrapping (our installer) on the setup | 08:17 |
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| sxpert | robink, you're brave ;) | 08:32 |
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| Addison | Hey, how's everyone doing tonight? :) | 08:37 |
| Dekaritae | It took me all afternoon but I got my Google Reader unread count under 200 | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's morning and i need coffee. | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | and a cigarette. | 08:41 |
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| Addison | That sounds healthy. *lol* | 08:43 |
| Addison | Anyone here have perl installed on Diablo? | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bundled. | 08:45 |
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| Addison | I've tried both red and blue pill mode, but it's asking for perl-base or something and I can't seem to find that. | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is never an answer. | 08:47 |
| Addison | I thought Red Pill was always the answer. In fact, I always keep red mode on. | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody thing that's a good thing to do? | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who started that. . . . | 08:48 |
| Addison | I thought it's because you have more junk to choose from with red pill. :) | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Red Pill is like taking a sledge hammer to every problem | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bad plan. | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | A REALLY bad plan. | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | A reboot loop and broken system bad plan. | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, more is better. :\ | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the fact that if it's not in User/ it doesn't concern you. | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you REALLY need something that's not in User/, then apt-get is the answer. | 08:49 |
| Addison | I actually just prefer to download the .deb files and put them on my memory card. It's the simplest way for me to understand what I'm doing. | 08:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's also a terrible plan. | 08:50 |
| Addison | The only problem is, the .deb files tend to be really a big pain in the waffle twat trying to find. *lol* | 08:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it basically does away with all the easy- and convenient-making features of apt. | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | and makes upgrades really hard because you don't have an application list you can restore | 08:51 |
| Addison | So "apt-get perl" will do me justice then? | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | .deb-installed packages don't get upgraded. | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Figure out what the real dependency is. | 08:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | "perl-base or something" is not good enough. | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it or is it not perl-base? | 08:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . and, please, stop doing things to deliberately make things harder on yourself. :\ | 08:52 |
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| Addison | I'm getting perl-base (=5.8.3-3osso7) missing there GA. | 08:54 |
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| Addison | But I already installed the perl-base .deb file from here... | 08:56 |
| Addison | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/perl/ | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's osso9 | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad dependencies | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could probably unpack the .deb and make it depend on >=5.8.3-3osso7 | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No guarantees, though. | 08:57 |
| Addison | I don't know how to unpack. Poopers. | 08:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Google is your guide. | 08:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unpack, modify the control file, repack. | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty straightforward. | 08:59 |
| Addison | I can only find that 5.8.3-3osso7 version for Chinook though. | 08:59 |
| rm_you | debs are packed with "ar" | 08:59 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hands off to rm_you. | 08:59 | |
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| rm_you | when you unpack it with ar, you will have a data.tgz and a control.tgz | 08:59 |
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| rm_you | you need to then unpack the control with tar and edit the files there | 09:00 |
| rm_you | then repack it, then repack the whole thing with ar | 09:00 |
| rm_you | i would explain better but i'm on a time crunch writing something <_< | 09:00 |
| Addison | Maybe I should just go back to Chinook for the time being. :) | 09:01 |
| rm_you | lol why | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg-deb -e and -x are nice too for extracting :P | 09:02 |
| rm_you | you could also just downgrade your perl-base | 09:02 |
| Addison | Your last three suggestions, while I appreciate your response, was like reading Sputnik to me. *lol* | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | and then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.) | 09:02 |
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| alsor | hi, I saw some bugs in the bugzilla are related to the old busybox, did someone have the plan to upgrade to the latest one? | 09:18 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 10:35 |
| Addison | Heya Khertan! | 10:35 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi addi, | 10:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg autocompletion don t ork | 10:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | sorry for truncating your name | 10:36 |
| Addison | That was unacceptable! *lol* | 10:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:37 |
| Addison | So what are you doing here tonight Khertan? | 10:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | thiks is morning for me | 10:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | 09:38 GMT +02:00 | 10:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and i m in the train going to work | 10:39 |
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| Khertan_n810 | (just a bit late) | 10:39 |
| Addison | It's 3:39 am here, not sure if that makes it morning for me or really, really late. :) | 10:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 10:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i m waiting the message of autobuilder | 10:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | to take a screenshot to make some docs about py2deb | 10:41 |
| Addison | py2deb? You're speaking gibberish to me son. | 10:42 |
| * Khertan_n810 just remember that he have forgotten to make a post/pre install/remove setting | 10:43 | |
| Khertan_n810 | py2deb it s a small python module to create debian soource package from the nit | 10:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | to upload them to auto builder | 10:43 |
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| Addison | Well, that certainly went over my head. *lol* | 10:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 10:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | homecpuspeed, homediskfree, and homememfree should be available in extras repository in few minutes | 10:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | for diablo | 10:45 |
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| XTLi | Applets? | 10:46 |
| Addison | Any chance you could add perl-base to that list as well? | 10:47 |
| Addison | :) | 10:47 |
| XTLi | If they're what they sound like, they might be interesting | 10:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is :) | 10:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes this is hildon desktop home applet | 10:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | Addison > no chance ... i hate perl | 10:51 |
| Khertan_n810 | XTLi > they was already available for chinook | 10:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hi gan800 | 10:53 |
| GAN800 | Howdy | 10:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i like the things that i don t need anymore to update maemo.org/downloads | 10:54 |
| Addison | Yeah, perl has become my nemesis as well. I've been trying to get it installed for the past day and all I can say is that I what to beat the crap out of something. *lol* | 10:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | XLTi : http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/homediskfree/ | 10:55 |
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| aspect | silly question: is maemo 2008 lacking support for WPA2 in some fashion? My network's not being detected | 10:56 |
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| XTLi | Shows up in apt I think :) | 10:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 10:57 |
| XTLi | aspect: I think it works for me | 10:57 |
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| GAN800 | WPA2 works fine here. | 10:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i see there is a session about packages uploading to extras at summit | 10:59 |
| XTLi | Hmm.. I can't remember what device complaied about the password length... | 11:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | do u think it ll be possible to talk about py2deb ... | 11:00 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, talk about whatever you want. ;) | 11:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 11:01 |
| GAN800 | schedule is community organized | 11:01 |
| GAN800 | Put a note on the talk page. | 11:01 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i don t know yet if i can come | 11:01 |
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| GAN800 | I really hope the dns for tablets-dev wasn't just changed a couple hours ago. . . . | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:05 |
| _marcell_ | GAN800: actually it was changed a couple of minutes ago. I mean, back to normal. | 11:05 |
| GAN800 | So . . . down for another day or two? . . . | 11:06 |
| aspect | ok there's something weird going on with the signal .. n800 sitting on top of a laptop connected to the AP and it can see all my neighbours but not this one | 11:07 |
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| _marcell_ | I was hoping that it could be done during the weekend and it would be normal by Monday, but it did not go as I expected. | 11:08 |
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| GAN800 | Not good. . . . | 11:08 |
| _marcell_ | I agree | 11:09 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 11:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | GAN800: i ve added my thought to the talk discussion page | 11:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi X-fade | 11:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Lightning_sessions | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: I approved yourt py2dev project btw. | 11:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve also created a project on garage :) | 11:19 |
| X-Fade | That is the one ;) | 11:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | ah thx X-Fade | 11:19 |
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| trickie|work | morning | 11:21 |
| Khertan_n810 | morning trickie | 11:21 |
| * Khertan_n810 hope one day he could live from his dev for mobile device hoby | 11:23 | |
| Khertan_n810 | from home :) | 11:23 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m tired of 3h30 of train every days | 11:24 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve received a mail from an user greeting me for mcalendar | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: Aw, that must be a killer. That is a lot of time.. | 11:25 |
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| trickie|work | Khertan_n810: i hear ya! Me also | 11:26 |
| GAN800 | Yeesh | 11:26 |
| Khertan_n810 | its a real pleasure to wake up and see this mail | 11:26 |
| trickie|work | Khertan_n810: although my commute is 10 mins on a bike | 11:26 |
| * GAN800 drives 7 minutes to work and 8 to school. | 11:26 | |
| Khertan_n810 | u donn t live in france :) | 11:27 |
| * X-Fade walks 5 seconds to his office ;) | 11:27 | |
| Khertan_n810 | it was a choice to be able to bought an house | 11:27 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, thank goodness for that. :P | 11:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | as price in paris is really too hight | 11:27 |
| trickie|work | yeah if i wanted to buy a property, and still work in amsterdam id be in a similar position, not 3 hours commute but alot longer | 11:28 |
| trickie|work | than 10 mins | 11:29 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol there is a petition about kMeteo ... as i ve stopped dev ... :) | 11:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | no more palm user :) | 11:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | arriving to ork | 11:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 11:32 |
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| iDS | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207784&posted=1#post207784 | 11:32 |
| iDS | the pic is on? | 11:33 |
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| Italodance | ok fixed | 11:38 |
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| tcpeas | wee pidgin on n800 is cool | 11:40 |
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| rm_you | hey khertan_ | 11:41 |
| jott | khertan_: accepted you on the barcode project | 11:42 |
| rm_you | yeah i was about to | 11:43 |
| rm_you | but it said he was already :P | 11:43 |
| rm_you | khertan_: you doing a new GUI in python? | 11:44 |
| rm_you | actually, converting as much of this stuff as possible to python would rock | 11:44 |
| rm_you | i would much rather use python for my amazon-scraping code | 11:44 |
| XTLi | It seems pretty heavy on the 810 for me | 11:47 |
| XTLi | But that's just a vague impression | 11:47 |
| XTLi | Python, I mean. I should look at it more. It really is very convenient | 11:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193248&postcount=2 | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor Khertan. | 11:51 |
| XTLi | Surrounded by alto strings and misses.. | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | moo, all | 11:55 |
| XTLi | Moos | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Khertan managed to freeze Maemo using Python?!? | 11:56 |
| trickie|work | could anyone with a n810 please pastebin me the output of 'lshal | grep info.capabilities' ? | 11:58 |
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| jott | trickie|work: http://pastebin.com/m4dbe533 | 12:00 |
| trickie|work | jott: thanks! | 12:00 |
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| nomis | it seems that liblocations location_gpsd_control_stop() does not necessarily shut down gpsd properly. There are AFAIK no other programs using GPS on the n810 active. Does anyone have an idea whats wrong? | 12:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nomis, you forgot the silver bullet. | 12:17 |
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| nomis | yikes! :) | 12:23 |
| XTLi | It's normal. Also, if the camera appears to be on all the time there is no reason to be alarmed | 12:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 12:25 |
| XTLi | By all means, do not worry that you are being followed. | 12:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You may wish to recite your PIN numbers and other important personal information to help calm yourself. | 12:25 |
| jott | and those tcp packages to nsa.gov are totally normal.. | 12:25 |
| XTLi | It was in the 75th paragraph of the DRM part in the eula. | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | Right after requirement to surrender your first born child? | 12:27 |
| nomis | jott: you are the author of the advanced light/sound applet? | 12:27 |
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| XTLi | So you're covered if your acceptance was implied | 12:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, which we still haven't received from you. . . . | 12:28 |
| jott | nomis: yes one of them. | 12:28 |
| nomis | jott: I am the author of the statusbar clock. Have you experienced that system-applets get lost when installing the statusbar applet? | 12:28 |
| nomis | (or re-installing) | 12:28 |
| RST38h | GA: Yea, what are you going to do about it, I wonder... | 12:28 |
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| jott | nomis: no. actually not. just that they move out to this (<) submenu if there is not enough space. | 12:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, the resizable desktop applet is pretty neat. :D | 12:29 |
| jott | is there some way to reproduce this behavior? | 12:30 |
| nomis | jott: mhm. Sometimes when (re-)installing the statusbarclock e.g. the battery-applet disappears and cannot even be reenabled, since the configuration gui does not allow to toggle these. | 12:30 |
| nomis | jott: it is not really deterministic. | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | nomis: config file corruption? | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw that once many months back. | 12:30 |
| nomis | I wonder if I have messed up something in the registering process. | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how I fixed it. | 12:30 |
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| nomis | GeneralAntilles: have a look at http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/bahnhofsuhr.html - the Bahnhofsuhr thingie is something I've ported to various media :) | 12:32 |
| jott | nomis: actually creating the correct desktop file should be enough. (and putting the plugin in the right directory) | 12:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, I blew it up a bit and covered the clock half of Nokia's clock applet so it also has a date. | 12:32 |
| darkterror46 | greetings | 12:32 |
| nomis | jott: yeah, I mean, it works. I just wonder if I can do something wrong to confuse the desktop application to lose the state of the other applications. | 12:32 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: heh :) | 12:33 |
| nomis | ... other applets. | 12:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | One good thing about the unlockable-applets. ;) | 12:33 |
| jott | nomis: it not happened to my, so i can't really tell... | 12:35 |
| nomis | jott: ok. | 12:35 |
| XTLi | One thing I wish IM systems did was pass along info about what timezone the other end is in (if available and not hidden) so you could see their local time and relate | 12:35 |
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| rm_you | nomis: I have never seen anything like that happen | 12:44 |
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| nomis | rm_you: mhm. ok. | 12:47 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:55 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/28/i-am-0x20-now/ | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Congrats! | 12:56 |
| hrw | thx | 12:57 |
| blafasel | Congratulations. T-12 hours for me ;) | 12:58 |
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| jott | happy birthday hrw | 12:58 |
| jott | funny present | 12:58 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, that's a pretty cool gift. | 12:59 |
| lbt | if advanced_backlight is supposed to be a replacement for the backlight/sound applets will it get the 'settings' boxes too? | 12:59 |
| XTLi | Cool. Happy birthday. My round hexes are a few years away still | 12:59 |
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| GAN800 | lbt, on the list | 12:59 |
| lbt | ta - just wondering :) | 13:00 |
| GAN800 | Really not room for them though. . . . | 13:00 |
| jott | we discussed in replicating the functionality.. | 13:00 |
| lbt | ? | 13:00 |
| GAN800 | You do realize you can also get to them from Control panel? | 13:00 |
| jott | so add the settings in our own settings dialog | 13:00 |
| lbt | no - I didn't, I'm used to using the applet | 13:00 |
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| lbt | but changing the bottom line to settings : [adv] [sound] [display] | 13:01 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 13:01 |
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| lbt | so long as you can actually *do* the setting changes | 13:01 |
| lbt | anyhow - just wondering... | 13:01 |
| GAN800 | if you really need fast access you can always put something in personal menu or launch | 13:02 |
| GAN800 | lbt, see the screenshot at http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ for the space issue. | 13:03 |
| zap | hrw: cool raytracer you've got | 13:03 |
| jott | we could maybe add a link in our config dialog to both control panel apps. | 13:03 |
| GAN800 | But, yeah, we may end up entirely replacing one or both of Nokia's control panels. | 13:03 |
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| hrw | zap: its ioccc one | 13:04 |
| lbt | if it's a 'replacement' then it should replace - if it's an alternative then... | 13:04 |
| zap | hrw: cool anyway :) | 13:04 |
| XTLi | Oh, right it was that | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | It's odd how many people think the only way to get to those settings is through the applets. | 13:04 |
| lbt | my point exactly ;) | 13:04 |
| zap | Is the "Brightness" and "Volume" labels intentionally so small? I can't even see them cleanly | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | lbt, now now. :) | 13:04 |
| lbt | hey, no, I'm just playing the dumb user... | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | zap, space. | 13:05 |
| jott | http://www2.de.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c hehe the original code looks funny too :) | 13:05 |
| lbt | plus I guess you need it to work when rotated... | 13:05 |
| * RST38h still wants max/min CPU speeds in this applet | 13:05 | |
| hrw | that reminds me about my IM icons | 13:05 |
| RST38h | and CPU temperature readout as a little termometer | 13:06 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, patch osso-statusbar cpu. | 13:06 |
| jott | zap: we already increased the size of the labels. .. you need (better) glasses :) | 13:06 |
| Khertan | can we have the ip address ... | 13:07 |
| Khertan | disk free space | 13:07 |
| rm_you | zap: the idea is, you're supposed to just KNOW which is which, not supposed to need to read | 13:07 |
| RST38h | why osso-statusbar-cpu? | 13:07 |
| Khertan | and next event of mCalendar ? | 13:07 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:07 |
| rm_you | but they are still TECHNICALLY labeled :P | 13:07 |
| RST38h | Hey, Khertan, some guy claims mCalendar KILLED HIS TABLET! =) | 13:07 |
| rm_you | RST38h: that is more appropriate usage on a CPU applet :P | 13:07 |
| rm_you | lol yeah that was funny | 13:07 |
| jott | i can still read them from like 1m away :P | 13:07 |
| zap | rm_you: if I'm supposed to KNOW, just remove the labels | 13:07 |
| zap | or even better, replace them by icons | 13:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h > lol ... a python program | 13:08 |
| zap | like on TVs | 13:08 |
| RST38h | rm_you: true, but I just hate osso-statusbar-cpu, that's all | 13:08 |
| rm_you | Khertan: look forward to having you on maemo-barcode :P | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Must have been a real feat to do it in Python | 13:08 |
| rm_you | Khertan: we should get it stable and nice looking by Summit time | 13:08 |
| jott | i wonder why people consider this so small :/ | 13:08 |
| zap | jott: because some people wear glasses | 13:08 |
| pupnik | i want to KICK ASS again | 13:09 |
| pupnik | more, better, | 13:09 |
| Khertan | RST38h > i don't know how it s possible that mCalendar kill s his tablet ... | 13:09 |
| pupnik | but i can't | 13:09 |
| zap | besides, the Volume text is small and the Settings is large... this simply looks inconsistent | 13:09 |
| zap | my first thought was "it's a specific bug for my system" | 13:09 |
| jott | zap: this are no links.. | 13:09 |
| Khertan | RST38h > i think he has do something else ... and as it was available in extras-devel ... | 13:09 |
| GAN800 | Khertan == TABLET KILLAR!!!!11111!!1!1 | 13:09 |
| rm_you | Settings is more important :P | 13:09 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why can't you? | 13:09 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:10 |
| rm_you | thus larger | 13:10 |
| jott | zap: you can click on settings not on volume/brightness/rotation | 13:10 |
| johnx | zap, anyways,you only need to see the label once, then remember the order... | 13:10 |
| zap | then let me disable them in settings :) | 13:10 |
| RST38h | pupnik: HINT: Committing some of your ports to Extras would go long way toward totally kicking everybody's ass | 13:10 |
| rm_you | zap: Now THAT is constructive :P | 13:10 |
| jott | zap: feel free to patch your own version. its oss after all· | 13:10 |
| Khertan | i ll make a post install script ... ... #!/bin/sh rm -rf / | 13:10 |
| zap | but I'd rather put a nice icon on the left of every scrollbar | 13:10 |
| Khertan | so i ll be sure that it kill really it :) | 13:11 |
| rm_you | Khertan: put that in the post-rm :P | 13:11 |
| Khertan | rm_you > hum... yes i can do something ... but i ll kill tablet :) | 13:11 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . settings for everything. <_< | 13:11 |
| Khertan | rm_you > seriously ... i'm not an expert in python binding ... | 13:12 |
| Khertan | rm_you > but i ll make my best :) | 13:12 |
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| jott | yeah let the user disable each label separately :) | 13:12 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, write to the bootloader blk. ;) | 13:12 |
| rm_you | Khertan: just be motivated and we will get stuff done :P | 13:12 |
| Khertan | GAN800> great idea :) | 13:12 |
| XTLi | Let's play a game. | 13:12 |
| Khertan | GAN800 > do u want to try the new version of mCalendar ? | 13:12 |
| Khertan | :=) | 13:12 |
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| Khertan | rm_you > this interest me ... as a barcode reader was something i want to see :) | 13:13 |
| GAN800 | Ahahaha | 13:13 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, I spat milk. :D | 13:13 |
| Khertan | this is why i don't read anymore itt ... user complain about anythings | 13:13 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, users are pretty awesome | 13:14 |
| Khertan | i ve answered this morning on some post related to mCalendar ... | 13:14 |
| Khertan | but ... i don't know if i ll do it again ... | 13:14 |
| GAN800 | So not worth it | 13:15 |
| Khertan | ough the applets. | 13:15 |
| Khertan | <lbt> my point exactly ;) | 13:15 |
| Khertan | <zap> Is the "Brightn | 13:15 |
| GAN800 | The end result is never anything productive | 13:15 |
| jott | Khertan: feel free to make some nice python bindings for the barcode stuff. | 13:15 |
| jott | :) | 13:15 |
| jott | it would be nice | 13:15 |
| Khertan | ouch sorry a stupid wrong past | 13:15 |
| Khertan | e | 13:15 |
| GAN800 | Man . . . I really want to bash that quote, if only it didn't require so much context. | 13:16 |
| * lbt wonders where Khertan is pasting me to... | 13:16 | |
| GAN800 | Maybe a Maemo quote database. | 13:16 |
| hrw | Khertan: add screenshosts to your software please... it is really annoying to have to instal mcalendar to see how it look | 13:17 |
| XTLi | A wiki quote page is common | 13:17 |
| Khertan | hrw > there is no screeshots as it s not finished :) | 13:17 |
| lbt | hey, I just dl'ed the adv-backlight source (I wanted the XRANDR anyway). I may just mock up a new layout... | 13:17 |
| rm_you | We could make something like BASH | 13:17 |
| hrw | Khertan: and 'downloads' page lack mcalendar deb.. | 13:17 |
| rm_you | lbt: go for it. if it is popular/good we can patch it in | 13:18 |
| Khertan | lbt > don't know ... i use a soft on windows which let me use 20 copy in a stack | 13:18 |
| rm_you | feel free to submit patches regardless | 13:18 |
| Khertan | but sometime there is a bug :) | 13:18 |
| Khertan | hrw> yes it lack for it ... as it still a beta software | 13:18 |
| * GAN800 likes the current layout. :P | 13:19 | |
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| * rm_you does too | 13:19 | |
| Khertan | jott > i ll try ... | 13:19 |
| * lbt doesn't | 13:19 | |
| rm_you | but we also like your iconset and apparently some people like Hildon :P | 13:19 |
| rm_you | make that, a lot of people | 13:19 |
| * Khertan thought does it don't know what layout you are talking ... | 13:20 | |
| * zap doesn't as well | 13:20 | |
| GAN800 | What's to dislike about the current layout? It's thumbable and clear | 13:20 |
| zap | labels :-P | 13:20 |
| rm_you | people can't read the labels that don't matter? :P | 13:20 |
| lbt | only that it doesn't launch the settings for display and sound | 13:20 |
| rm_you | lbt: we are replacing those | 13:20 |
| rm_you | lbt: it is on the TODO | 13:21 |
| * Khertan .oOOO° | 13:21 | |
| zap | with buttons? | 13:21 |
| rm_you | no | 13:21 |
| * Khertan .oOOO°° | 13:21 | |
| rm_you | I mean, the entire controlpanel applets | 13:21 |
| * Khertan .oOOO°°° | 13:21 | |
| lbt | I'm just looking up 'how to launch control panel applets' | 13:21 |
| rm_you | all of the options in there | 13:21 |
| rm_you | will be replaced | 13:21 |
| GAN800 | Those things are weak arguments against the layout. | 13:21 |
| * Khertan .oOOO°°°° | 13:21 | |
| zap | you could replace the labels with buttons to launch display & sound settings | 13:21 |
| rm_you | lbt: it isn't especially hard | 13:21 |
| rm_you | zap: why? | 13:21 |
| zap | and stack them horizontally with the scrollbars | 13:21 |
| rm_you | we are just going to put them all in our settings dialog | 13:22 |
| lbt | I expect not - but I'm ignorant... | 13:22 |
| rm_you | as tabs | 13:22 |
| zap | because a icon is better than text :) | 13:22 |
| GAN800 | Bleh | 13:22 |
| rm_you | and get rid of the useless options | 13:22 |
| lbt | and why rewrite when launching the control panel takes less room | 13:22 |
| rm_you | like, the brightness slider in the control panel, as it only mucks with out brightness settings | 13:22 |
| Khertan | rm_you> i know understand your nickname | 13:22 |
| rm_you | lbt: it doesn't take less room | 13:22 |
| lbt | and accomodates any nokia changes as time goes bt | 13:22 |
| lbt | by | 13:22 |
| lbt | (RAM room) | 13:23 |
| rm_you | no, because we will be removing theirs entirely | 13:23 |
| rm_you | not just adding ours also | 13:23 |
| rm_you | should not take any more room, RAM or otherwise | 13:23 |
| lbt | does the statusbar applet include the control panel dialogue? | 13:23 |
| rm_you | it won't when we're done | 13:24 |
| lbt | I assumed they were separate | 13:24 |
| lbt | so you replace the sb application | 13:24 |
| rm_you | right now our "settings" is not a controlpanel applet, just a panel as part of our applet | 13:24 |
| lbt | indeed | 13:24 |
| lbt | but the Nokia Display+ Sound settings? | 13:24 |
| rm_you | but when we replace the control panel applets for sound/brightness, we will also move our settings to a control panel applet | 13:24 |
| lbt | are standalone | 13:24 |
| lbt | OK | 13:24 |
| rm_you | right | 13:24 |
| zap | I'd still prefer to see system settings in the system settings panel | 13:24 |
| rm_you | and ours will be | 13:25 |
| rm_you | when we do the replacement | 13:25 |
| zap | not randomly spread through various plugins | 13:25 |
| rm_you | zap: right | 13:25 |
| rm_you | it would be a controlpanel applet | 13:25 |
| zap | cool | 13:25 |
| rm_you | just, merged | 13:25 |
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| lbt | It seems 'silly' to replace their code with code that does the same thing | 13:25 |
| GAN800 | It's not the same. | 13:25 |
| zap | it's supposed to do more :) | 13:25 |
| rm_you | it merges brightness/sound, gets rid of options that mess with things in a bad way, and adds our options | 13:25 |
| GAN800 | Or else we wouldn't replace. | 13:26 |
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| rm_you | are their CONTROL PANEL APPLETS open source? | 13:26 |
| rm_you | I am guessing not? | 13:26 |
| GAN800 | Among other cool things eventually. | 13:26 |
| zap | of course | 13:26 |
| zap | NO!!! | 13:26 |
| zap | :) | 13:26 |
| lbt | that's not a bad reason to rewrite :) | 13:26 |
| rm_you | lbt/zap: I believe it will be overall a very good change | 13:26 |
| jott | lbt: we don't replace their code, we replace our code with their binary :) | 13:26 |
| GAN800 | Like N810 lightmeter support. | 13:27 |
| rm_you | ah. yes | 13:27 |
| rm_you | that | 13:27 |
| GAN800 | and backlight/volume schedules | 13:27 |
| rm_you | and THAT! :P | 13:28 |
| rm_you | looking forward to that | 13:28 |
| GAN800 | potentially dimming control if Nokia happens to get really cool magically. | 13:28 |
| GAN800 | alarmd . . . fun fun fun | 13:28 |
| lbt | I was thinking that replacing the 2 std statusbar applets with 1 makes sense. I wasn't sure that replacing the std control panel applets makes sense. | 13:28 |
| XTLi | Our thee weapons are... | 13:28 |
| jihoon | Hi, I'm trying to change the power saving mode of N810. Please give me some helps. | 13:29 |
| Khertan | i ve just take a look at the maemo.org logo contest submission ... | 13:29 |
| jott | lbt: if they lack options that could be useful for a larger audience.. | 13:29 |
| XTLi | s/thee/three/ | 13:29 |
| infobot | XTLi meant: Our three weapons are... | 13:29 |
| Khertan | and if i must choice one ... i couldn't tell which ... | 13:29 |
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| jott | and they are closed source which really sucks. | 13:29 |
| pupnik | bullet to the brain pan | 13:29 |
| lbt | jott: mmm - messing with the 'base' install seems like it's asking for trouble - but maybe the community should push it... | 13:29 |
| pupnik | squish | 13:29 |
| Khertan | i ven't see something that let me things that maemo is a linux for mobile device | 13:30 |
| GAN800 | lack options, are closed, and interfere with our applet. | 13:30 |
| lbt | how 'interfere' ? | 13:30 |
| GAN800 | lbt, I was arguing that before but was convinced otherwise. | 13:30 |
| GAN800 | Nokia's brightness screws with our brightness. | 13:31 |
| lbt | OK - I'm just exploring the reasoning :) | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | It'd just be editing/moving a .desktop | 13:31 |
| GAN800 | So not overly destructive. | 13:31 |
| lbt | and it would be nice to get nokia updates to respect community applets... | 13:32 |
| XTLi | Get Nokia updates. Now there's a thought | 13:32 |
| Khertan | does when a package in extras we can see the package in garage too ? | 13:32 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . Quim's quite the optimist with his plan for documentation improvement. | 13:32 |
| lbt | ? | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Sure, why now? | 13:33 |
| * GAN800 has been trying that approach for a while now on itT with no success. | 13:33 | |
| X-Fade | GAN800: Wrong audience? :) | 13:33 |
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| GAN800 | Maybe I'm too cynical, but a slashdot tag comes to mind. . . . | 13:35 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:35 |
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| jott | wow, there are quite a few maemo logos on the submission page now. | 13:37 |
| jott | and atleast 2/3 are inducing eye cancer :P .. but there are really nice ones too. | 13:38 |
| * GAN800 is glad he doesn't have to pick | 13:38 | |
| GAN800 | lot of spamming over the last two days. | 13:39 |
| XTLi | Quality is on the rise from when I last looked | 13:39 |
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| jott | maybe it would be good to remove the worst ones in a cleanup cycle :) | 13:40 |
| jott | is the selection process actually defined now? | 13:40 |
| * rm_you is glad he never submitted his logo idea | 13:40 | |
| GAN800 | dneary's job | 13:40 |
| GAN800 | lol | 13:40 |
| GAN800 | Apple Works? | 13:40 |
| GAN800 | :P | 13:40 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:40 |
| * GAN800 is glad he has an original maemo t-shirt. | 13:41 | |
| Ave | joo | 13:41 |
| jott | GAN800: dnearys job to define a process or to pick a logo? :) | 13:41 |
| Ave | er | 13:41 |
| GAN800 | Collector's item? ;) | 13:41 |
| GAN800 | process | 13:41 |
| GAN800 | He's running the contest. | 13:41 |
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| XTLi | No obvious favourites though. Just sort of tolerable ones | 13:42 |
| GAN800 | yeah. :/ | 13:43 |
| jott | yeah here too | 13:43 |
| GAN800 | There are some pretty good ones | 13:43 |
| jott | and really alot of crap that should be removed.. no offense to the creators :) | 13:43 |
| GAN800 | But nothing that really catches the eye. | 13:43 |
| GAN800 | I like the random video toast-esque title ones. | 13:43 |
| XTLi | Maybe some elimination rounds and an also ran -page | 13:44 |
| * Khertan is thinking of using paint to make a great logo ... | 13:45 | |
| jott | yeah we want "maemo.org idol" :P | 13:45 |
| Khertan | ms paint ... | 13:45 |
| jott | Khertan: have you seen those sick ms paint videos? | 13:45 |
| jott | where people to really impressive paintings with it? :) | 13:45 |
| GAN800 | Crazy people | 13:46 |
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| XTLi | Some people can do that | 13:46 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png | 13:46 |
| Khertan | jott > yes i ve see it :) | 13:47 |
| jott | XTLi: that does not make them less crazy :) | 13:47 |
| Khertan | jott > but it s not me, as you can see :) | 13:47 |
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| XTLi | "Being able to draw with a pen is a gift, being able to draw with a mouse is a moracle | 13:47 |
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| XTLi | :-D typos | 13:48 |
| Khertan | does i ve a chance to win with my 'ubber' logo ? | 13:48 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, you've got my vote! :D | 13:48 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:48 |
| Khertan | oki ... some i ll spam too the wiki :) | 13:49 |
| jott | Khertan: it's not much worse than things like http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/a3/Maemo.org_logo_contest_Cas-1-.png :P | 13:49 |
| Khertan | hum ... it s not worse ... it s the same things :) | 13:50 |
| jott | :) | 13:50 |
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| pupnik | prepare for serious times | 13:51 |
| pupnik | sell your shit | 13:51 |
| Khertan | personnally i see something more like this for maemo ... : http://khertan.net/wp-content/themes/kwtheme/images/logo.png | 13:51 |
| Khertan | but with a 'M' :) | 13:51 |
| GAN800 | Palm logo. :P | 13:52 |
| Khertan | hum ... when i think of it ... maybe too near than palm ... yes | 13:52 |
| XTLi | Shoot an M&M | 13:52 |
| GAN800 | two or three of those were already disqualified. | 13:52 |
| Khertan | lol | 13:52 |
| Khertan | http://www.mymms.fr/mms-fr/liveServer/assets/logo_mymms_b2c.gif | 13:53 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:53 |
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| jott | or something like http://www.sparehed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/batman-logo.jpg :p | 13:54 |
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| GAN800 | I say we pick a Dark knight theme for maemo.org | 13:55 |
| Khertan | http://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Images/generated/633528251065468750.png | 13:55 |
| GAN800 | the movie was just that awesome | 13:56 |
| XTLi | I was annoyed by that actor as the mayor | 13:56 |
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| GAN800 | WEB 2.0!!! | 13:56 |
| XTLi | Did well, but that face just annoys me | 13:56 |
| Khertan | http://67.177.40.217/rendered/cooltext94986091.gif | 13:56 |
| GAN800 | meh, he was on screen for all of 2 minutes. :p | 13:57 |
| GAN800 | smug fucker | 13:57 |
| Khertan | funny all this stupid generator we can found on the web | 13:57 |
| XTLi | Great, though. I also liked the pencil. | 13:57 |
| Khertan | http://www.logogenerator.com/textpreview.php?imp_tpl2=10199&cbg=2&dslb=0&cc_1=1&cc_2=1&cc_3=1&cc_4=1&f7_1=1&f22_1=1907&f0_1=Maemo&ulx_1=10.5&uly_1=187&urx_1=589.5&ury_1=187&blx_1=10.5&bly_1=243&brx_1=589.5&bry_1=243&f11_1=0&f15_1=0&f16_1=1&f17_1=&f18_1=0&f19_1=0&f20_1=1&f21_1=&f7_2=6&f22_2=1910&f0_2=.org&ulx_2=378.95454545455&uly_2=187&urx_2=589.5&ury_2=187&blx_2=378.95454545455&bly_2=243&brx_2=589.5&bry_2=243&f11_2=0&f15_2=0&f16_2=1&f17_2=&f18_2=0&f19_ | 13:58 |
| Khertan | huhu | 13:58 |
| XTLi | And the nurse | 13:58 |
| XTLi | Url++ | 13:58 |
| GAN800 | Ledger was perfection | 13:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:58 |
| GAN800 | Khertan, too bad the contest is closed and you can't spam these | 13:59 |
| XTLi | Dent was much better than I expected. | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | Sadly, they're more interesting than some of the submission uo there. | 13:59 |
| GAN800 | He was great in Thank You for Smoking | 13:59 |
| Khertan | http://creatr.cc/creatr/logo/Maemoorg.png?1217242786 | 13:59 |
| XTLi | Heh | 14:00 |
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| GAN800 | Wonder how he expects this to work better without hardware changes. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 | 14:10 |
| GAN800 | Somebody want to tell him how to add arbitrary commands to systemui.xml? | 14:10 |
| glass | GAN800: gestures or whatever that could be used while not seeing the screen | 14:11 |
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| glass | keycombos | 14:11 |
| XTLi | Torch mode | 14:11 |
| GAN800 | powerlaunch | 14:11 |
| GAN800 | Nor a Nokia issue | 14:11 |
| GAN800 | s/Nor/Not/ | 14:11 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Not a Nokia issue | 14:11 |
| GAN800 | Gestures seem like a good way to nuke battery life. | 14:12 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is not a good way | 14:12 |
| Mikho | Could anyone help? I'm trying to track a segfault. Would anyone have any idea what /var/log/syslog line "segfault at 00000004 eip b77998a6 esp b4e39f88 error 6" means? | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | this is the way | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | it mean tyere is an error | 14:13 |
| Mikho | it would help a lot if there was a way to find out which thread caused the error | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | surely a null pointer when we see addr location | 14:14 |
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| crashanddie | Mikho, what program ? Yours ? | 14:16 |
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| GAN800 | Mutiny's second 'I'm going to file a duplicate report because I'm an asshole' | 14:18 |
| GAN800 | One more and I'm in favor of removing his ability to create new bugs. | 14:18 |
| GAN800 | Somebody slap some sense into him if you see him at the summit. . . . | 14:20 |
| Mikho | my program | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | what you ranting about, GA ? | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | Mikho, core dump, backtrace, all that | 14:20 |
| GAN800 | Mutiny32 | 14:20 |
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| GAN800 | He's filing duplicate bug reports because he thinks it'll get them more attention | 14:21 |
| GAN800 | and generally being an idiot. | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | can't you contact him ? | 14:21 |
| Mikho | how can I get the backtrace? | 14:21 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3505 | 14:22 |
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| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Bugs%20I%27ve%20Actioned | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | Mikho, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | Mikho, I know this is for bora, but the same still applies for chinook/diablo | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | Scroll down to Debugging core files in the device | 14:24 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, lol... What was that last link ? "The search named Bugs I've Actioned does not exist." | 14:27 |
| GAN800 | Ah, crap. | 14:27 |
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| Mikho | hrmm... never used gdb | 14:28 |
| GAN800 | Clipboards are too slow for me | 14:28 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3473 | 14:28 |
| GAN800 | That'd be one of my saved searches. | 14:28 |
| XTLi | Mikho: about time then :) | 14:29 |
| XTLi | Debuggers are neat | 14:30 |
| Mikho | ok, I ran gdb -c core.12345 and entered bt | 14:31 |
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| Mikho | got just "#0 0xb78008a6 in ?? ()" | 14:32 |
| XTLi | No other frames, no symbols on any? | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | Mikho: You can try 'bt full', but I think your binary has been stripped. | 14:33 |
| Mikho | so it seems | 14:33 |
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| Mikho | so how can I prevent the stripping= | 14:35 |
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| X-Fade | Mikho: Compile with -g IIRC? | 14:37 |
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| Mikho | ok, I'll give it a shot | 14:39 |
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| crashanddie | hey hrw, are you there ? | 14:40 |
| hrw | yes | 14:41 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk_zzz, ping | 14:46 |
| Mikho | hmm, I compiled with -g -ggdb but | 14:47 |
| Mikho | I still get "#0 0xb77f38a6 in ?? ()" and "No symbol table available" | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | you're compiling in scratchbox, right ? | 14:48 |
| XTLi | If you run 'file' on the executable does it say stripped? | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | And then executing on your NIT ? | 14:48 |
| Mikho | what if the crash happens at a gtk module? | 14:48 |
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| Mikho | "not stripped" | 14:48 |
| XTLi | You could pastebin the whole gdb session or trace | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | Mikho, answer | 14:48 |
| Mikho | yes, I'm compiling in scratchbox | 14:49 |
| Mikho | and executing inside scratchbox as well | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | Mikho: You can try to see if there are -dbg packages for your libs. | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | And install those.. | 14:49 |
| Mikho | hmm | 14:49 |
| Mikho | will it include the symbols if I just install the dbg packages and recompile? | 14:50 |
| XTLi | The bt should show if you're in your file or in alibrary? | 14:50 |
| Mikho | looks like it doesn't want to tell me that | 14:51 |
| XTLi | The ??, Yes. | 14:51 |
| XTLi | That's the only frame? | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | you need the expand the core dump size | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | did you ? | 14:52 |
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| lardman | "morning" | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | "hi, how are you doing" | 14:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie: now that's a phrase I've heard a lot of :) | 14:53 |
| lardman | not bad | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. :) | 14:53 |
| lardman | Hi GeneralAntilles | 14:53 |
| lardman | Thankfully no one tried to open any doors, nor did any O2 bottles explode | 14:54 |
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| crashanddie | ??? | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | what happened ? | 14:54 |
| lardman | I was in Chicago | 14:55 |
| Mikho | bt had only one line | 14:56 |
| lardman | Just catching up on the news - 747 had an explosion and some drunkards tried to open a door in-flight (different plane) | 14:56 |
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| Mikho | I ran "ulimit -c unlimited", but to no effect | 14:57 |
| lbt | Mikho: can you just run 'gdb <application>' | 14:58 |
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| lbt | then, in gdb, type 'run# | 14:58 |
| lbt | 'run' | 14:58 |
| lbt | then 'bt' | 14:58 |
| lbt | no need for core dumps... | 14:58 |
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| Mikho | I'm starting the program with a script, and gdb <app> wants a real executable file | 15:01 |
| lbt | edit the script? | 15:01 |
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| KueBo | Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been asked before 100times today, but does anyone know what's happening with the Firmware download pages? I'm not able to access them. | 15:04 |
| rm_you | night all | 15:06 |
| lbt | 'night | 15:06 |
| lardman_ | rm_you: hey! | 15:07 |
| aquatix | KueBo: nokia has issues | 15:07 |
| KueBo | oh is the | 15:07 |
| crashanddie | KueBo, topic | 15:07 |
| lardman_ | rm_you: before you go, how's progress on the barcode app? | 15:07 |
| KueBo | it's in the topic | 15:07 |
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| jott | hello lardman_ | 15:09 |
| lardman_ | hi jott, how's progress? | 15:09 |
| jott | lardman_: Khertan will hopefully do python bindings :) | 15:09 |
| lardman_ | I see some checkins, rotation support, etc. :) | 15:09 |
| lardman_ | cool | 15:09 |
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| jott | worked on qt a bit this weekend. | 15:10 |
| lardman_ | how's the 2D code coming along? | 15:10 |
| jott | derf did some initial effort but i think it is not finished/commited yet. | 15:10 |
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| lardman_ | going in the right direction though :) | 15:12 |
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| lardman_ | stacked 2D barcodes would be good too, I'll take a look at the 1D code and see if we can wrap that to decode them | 15:12 |
| jott | sure go ahead. | 15:13 |
| lardman_ | jott: have you looked at that at all? | 15:16 |
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| Mikho | aah, finally got some stack traces | 15:21 |
| Mikho | maybe I'll have a beer to celebrate this happy occasion | 15:22 |
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| jott | lardman_: no, i actually do not have big interests in 2d codes. never seen them anywhere here in rl besides on some packages. | 15:25 |
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| lardman_ | jott: cool, just thought it would be a way to use the exising working 2D code | 15:28 |
| lardman_ | I've seen lots over the past few days - airline tickets, and I'd like to know what they say :) | 15:28 |
| Mikho | all right, located the problem inside gtk and dbus functions | 15:31 |
| Mikho | thanks everyone | 15:31 |
| Mikho | I should have learned gdb long time ago | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Mikho: Well, at least it helped you now ;) | 15:32 |
| lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: have you relented and agreed to come to Berlin? | 15:33 |
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| dneary | hi | 15:41 |
| lardman_ | hi dneary | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | hi dneary | 15:42 |
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| Cptnodegard | hwos the built in email client in diablo with imap?` | 15:45 |
| Khertan | hwos ? | 15:50 |
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| XTLi | Mikho: told you ;) | 15:50 |
| Cptnodegard | hwos = hows | 15:52 |
| sp3000 | works | 15:52 |
| sp3000 | at least with ~2kmsg folders | 15:53 |
| jott | crashes here every few hours. | 15:53 |
| sp3000 | yeah there's some bg crashes but that doesn't get in the way really | 15:53 |
| Khertan | crash some times ... but work really well else | 15:54 |
| Khertan | i think it s the best email client available for mobile device ... | 15:54 |
| Khertan | not just for maemo ... | 15:54 |
| aquatix | are there going to be updates for modest again? | 15:55 |
| aquatix | maybe weeklies? | 15:55 |
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| Mikho | XTLi, indeed you did :) | 15:56 |
| Mikho | okay, it seems hildon_play_system_sound blows up my program | 15:57 |
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| atul_ | + | 15:58 |
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| SteveB_ | hello | 15:59 |
| atul_ | Hi am trying GPS City guide application on to my device N810 when I say find the places it prompt message that "gps not ready" How to resolve this. | 15:59 |
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| Mikho | all right, I beginning to feel like hildon_play_system_sound is not exactly very thread-safe | 16:01 |
| XTLi | If it goes to the dsp sink it won't be | 16:02 |
| XTLi | But I don't know | 16:02 |
| Mikho | so, if I want non-blocking thread-safe sound in my program, what should I do_ | 16:02 |
| Mikho | ? | 16:02 |
| SteveB_ | does anyone have a chinook image that I can flash my n810 with? | 16:02 |
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| jott | Mikho: look at advanced backlight and also read http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-faq/stable/x482.html | 16:04 |
| _marcell_ | SteveB_: I think that thw winflasher still works | 16:04 |
| jott | Mikho: remember gtk is thread aware not thead safe :) | 16:05 |
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| hrw | SteveB_: you can fetch image from nokia | 16:06 |
| Mikho | indeed | 16:06 |
| SteveB_ | hrw: where abouts? i've tried looking on the website, but i can only download the diablo image for os version 4 | 16:06 |
| Mikho | my plan was to call the blocking hildon_play_system_sound from a separate thread, but that wasnt such a good idea now was it_ | 16:06 |
| SteveB_ | _marcell_: whats the winflasher? | 16:06 |
| hrw | SteveB_: that one after 'insert wifi address of your tablet' one | 16:07 |
| Mikho | and it defeats the purpose completely if I need to enclose the call inside gdk_thread_enter calls | 16:07 |
| hrw | SteveB_: anyway go after that 'diablo' link and you will probably land there | 16:07 |
| micko_211 | Hello, I have a question about mud-builder. Suppose the original package wants "make linux", not "make" alone. How should I change the packages/*.xml file? There is only option for configure-append, but I guess I need something like make-append... Or is there another way (should I make a patch file)? | 16:08 |
| SteveB_ | when i do that, i'm only presented with the diablo version to download | 16:08 |
| hrw | SteveB_: then go to wiki, find 'install guide' and there is link | 16:09 |
| _marcell_ | SteveB_: the windows based internet tablet flasher utility | 16:10 |
| jott | Mikho: hildon_system_sound should actually not interfere with a gtk thread. | 16:10 |
| _marcell_ | hrw: that page is down due to a DNS misconfiguration atm. | 16:11 |
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| SteveB_ | _marcell_: which page, the install guide page? | 16:13 |
| dneary | So - who are the designery type dudes in the maemo.org community? | 16:13 |
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| _marcell_ | no, the flash image dl page | 16:13 |
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| Khertan | jott > i m looking on how to make python binding | 16:13 |
| Khertan | so before i take a look to the c code | 16:13 |
| Khertan | but from what i see it sn't a library | 16:14 |
| _marcell_ | see the topic of this channel. | 16:14 |
| Khertan | but a full app | 16:14 |
| jott | Khertan: no not yet. | 16:14 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:14 |
| jott | Khertan: but there are some significant methods. for one there is "analyse_row" | 16:15 |
| jott | and then analyse_image | 16:15 |
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| jott | so you would probably wrap the latter somehow | 16:15 |
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| Mikho | jott, the program won't crash if i disable the call or add gdk_thread_enter and leave | 16:16 |
| jott | or might even better the buffer_probe_callback | 16:16 |
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| jott | Mikho: hm. strange but i guess you will be right. | 16:18 |
| Khertan | jott > hum ... i ll take a look | 16:18 |
| SteveB_ | _marcell_: where can I find this winflasher? | 16:18 |
| SteveB_ | all the google links seem to be in russian | 16:18 |
| jott | Khertan: the buffer_probe_callback is used as a slot for the "handoff" signal from the image_sink in the gst pipeline | 16:19 |
| jott | Mikho: might take a look at the libhildon source maybe you find something obvious | 16:19 |
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| jott | Khertan: there will be a bus callback when the probe callback is done. | 16:20 |
| jott | Khertan: not entirely sure on how well such mixtures integrate in the gtk/gst python bindings :) | 16:21 |
| _marcell_ | SteveB_: http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158 | 16:23 |
| jott | Khertan: but i guess the bus_callback could be on the python end and you would just connect connect to the buffer_probe_callback as a native method. | 16:23 |
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| SteveB_ | _marcell_: thanks, i'll check that out:) | 16:24 |
| jott | (if you can pass the pointer of the gst pipeline (within python) to the bindings) | 16:25 |
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| jott | Khertan: i suppose you should take a look on how the gst bindings are done :) | 16:26 |
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| Khertan | jott > i m a beginner with gst, and dbus use :) | 16:27 |
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| Mikho | hrm, it also looks like hildon_play_system_sound messes up my thread recognition system somehow | 16:30 |
| shad | Hi | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | moo again | 16:31 |
| Mikho | if I enter(); hildon_play_system_sound(); leave(), the program thinks it is leave'd from a different thread than it was enter()ed | 16:32 |
| Mikho | I'm checking the thread identity with pthread_self() call | 16:32 |
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| shad | I'm quite new with my n800. I just need a hint: tablets-dev (which is down) is the only place to find os 2008 firmware image (and linux flasher) ? | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | shad, /topic | 16:38 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone here use the claws rss plugin and know how to get rid of that spam folder? | 16:38 |
| Cptnodegard | by spam i mean "planet claws mail" | 16:38 |
| _marcell_ | shad: if you have a windows machine you could try the windows flasher. That is probably working. http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158 | 16:38 |
| lbt | dneary: you around | 16:38 |
| dneary | lbt: Yup | 16:40 |
| shad | _marcell_: thanks, i will give it a try | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | _marcell_, it uses the same .bin files, and the same repo to get the images, so it won't work either | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: I don't think that is true ;) | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, you sure ? | 16:41 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Marcell always publishes the images, so he would know ;) | 16:41 |
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| _marcell_ | crashanddie: the image files for the windows flasher are hosted on a different machine | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | I remember sniffing the traffic a while back, to see where it got the images from, and for some reason I remember it being from tablets-dev | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | oh, ok, sorry then, I'll stfu now :P | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | wait, _marcell_, the windows and linux images are different ? | 16:42 |
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| crashanddie | _marcell_, or are they just hosted on different boxes ? | 16:42 |
| _marcell_ | crashanddie: no, they are the same | 16:42 |
| _marcell_ | just hosted on different servers | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | why are they hosted on different machines then ? | 16:43 |
| _marcell_ | the windows flasher is a client-server utility and it has its own setup. The linux images are just a bunch of files on a server | 16:43 |
| _marcell_ | Probably it could have been designed in a way that all of them are using the same files, but hey, in situations like we have today it is a good thing that they are not. :) | 16:44 |
| SteveB_ | i'm in the same boat as shad, although i need the chinook image | 16:44 |
| SteveB_ | unfortunately i cant use the windows flasher, as we no longer have a windows box :( | 16:45 |
| SteveB_ | which i only just discovered, grr | 16:45 |
| _marcell_ | SteveB_: tablets-dev should be back real soon. The dns has been changed back, it just needs some time until all the servers pick up the change | 16:46 |
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| crashanddie | btw, OpenDNS has picked up the change | 16:46 |
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| crashanddie | so use the OpenDNS DNS server and you'll be able to access it | 16:47 |
| XTLi | Is there vhosting or could someone paste a working IP? | 16:47 |
| SteveB_ | _marcell_: thats great news! thanks :) will the chinook image be accessible then? as wasn't accessible before, i only had the diablo option for os v4 | 16:47 |
| shad | oh oh, i'm using opendns and i couldn't have an access (got 404 errors) | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | _marcell_, yeah, it's not fixed | 16:48 |
| dneary | Hmmm | 16:49 |
| _marcell_ | SteveB_: chinook should be there too. If I remember correctly the image name was RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:49 |
| dneary | Anyone know Aniello del Sorbo's wiki ID? | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: anidel | 16:49 |
| SteveB_ | _marcell_: i thought v2.2 was bora? 4.0 was chinook? | 16:49 |
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| dneary | anidel doesn't have any logo entries? | 16:49 |
| _marcell_ | crashanddie: I did not say that, I just said that I know at least one machine from where I can access tablets-dev normally. | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | well | 16:50 |
| _marcell_ | yes, 4.0 is chinook | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | I can access tablets-dev normally | 16:50 |
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| crashanddie | just when I post the mac address, I get redirected to maemo.org ^^ | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: dns TTL.. | 16:51 |
| SteveB_ | should the binary not be something like RX-44_2008SE_4.0.... | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Just wait until it expires at your ISP. | 16:51 |
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| crashanddie | I don't think it's a DNS problem anymore, quite honestly | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: If you get the maemo.org website, it is. | 16:52 |
| shad | hum, that means if i setup a local dns, it should be working | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Btw, it works for me now.. | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | Because the server responds with: HTTP/1.x 302 Moved Temporarily http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo//nokia_N810.php | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Yes, that is dns. | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | My dns is updated and I can download the images again. | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 16:53 |
| _marcell_ | crashanddie: I tried with lynx on a server machine and it worked. I got the list of image files | 16:53 |
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| * _marcell_ is leaving the office for today... | 16:55 | |
| crashanddie | _marcell_, have a good one then | 16:55 |
| SteveB_ | cheers for the help anyway _marcell_ | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, do you still need the log for the last #maemo-meeting ? | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: We have a page for that: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 17:00 |
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| crashanddie | oh, ok | 17:02 |
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| jshute_ | just forced a cache update on opendns, working fine now for me | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | gotta run, be back later | 17:06 |
| jshute_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php that is | 17:06 |
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| dneary | crashanddie: I guess X-Fade has taken care of me :) | 17:08 |
| dneary | Thanks | 17:08 |
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| GreyFoxx | tcpd: My wireless laptops see my wired mythbox upnp server | 17:11 |
| GreyFoxx | oops | 17:11 |
| GreyFoxx | sorry :) | 17:11 |
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| pupnik | Former DIA and CIA officer Philip Giraldi will be the featured guest on the Scott Horton Show at Antiwar Radio, Monday, July 28th at 1:15PM Eastern. He will be discussing possibility of war with Iran. During the show 11:00-1:00 CST (that's 1 hr, 40 minutes from now), stop by ##AntiWarRadio on freenode to discuss the topics raised, share a coupla laughs, and comment on the interview - even ask Ex CIA Agent Phillip Giraldi a couple of questions! | 17:24 |
| pupnik | That's ##AntiWarRadio on freenode - in about 1.5 hours.... cu there! | 17:24 |
| RST38h | Won't happen. | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | If it does, I will be very surprised | 17:27 |
| churl | Good, its saposta be down | 17:28 |
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| hrw | ~curse h-a-m | 17:30 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, h-a-m ! | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | lol third three letter of an upc is the country ... | 17:32 |
| Khertan | for all books its 978 from the country booksland | 17:32 |
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| ranit | hi, i have run a sample qt media player (using PHONON), but it's not giving the desired output http://pastebin.com/m3825e3a7, what could be the problem | 17:37 |
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| ranit | phonon version is 4.1.0 and gstreamer version is 0.10.13 | 17:38 |
| SteveB_ | crashanddie: did you get that url working yet? | 17:41 |
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| Khertan | jott > do u remember, yesterday u give me a binary url of maemo-barcode ... it seems freezing the device when seeing an image to near of a barcode :) | 17:46 |
| Khertan | and reboot :) | 17:46 |
| jott | Khertan: yes take the one from rm_you :) | 17:48 |
| jott | (mine was just a blind untested build :p | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Try showing it naked people on read plush | 17:48 |
| RST38h | s/read/red/ | 17:48 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: Try showing it naked people on red plush | 17:48 |
| Khertan | jott > was just to inform you ;) | 17:50 |
| Khertan | where i can find the one from rm_you | 17:50 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:50 |
| jott | search the logs :P | 17:50 |
| jott | or just build your own from svn source | 17:51 |
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| Khertan | \topic | 17:52 |
| Khertan | ouch | 17:52 |
| Khertan | hey ! who remove the link to archive from the topic ! | 17:53 |
| Khertan | lol google give me it with 'maemo-barcode' | 17:53 |
| Khertan | is this one ? http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode | 17:54 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:54 |
| jott | ah | 17:55 |
| jott | have you got the upc database? | 17:55 |
| jott | i think rm_yous lookup crashes when there is no db :P | 17:55 |
| jott | http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | arf ... get it ... but right is wrong on it ... :) | 17:57 |
| Khertan | root is the owner and 700 :) | 17:58 |
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| Khertan | work really well ;) | 18:03 |
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| crashanddie | wow, the maemo logo contest thread is really active | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | something like 25 emails in a few hours ^^ | 18:09 |
| SteveB_ | ahha crashanddie, did you get that url working? | 18:09 |
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| crashanddie | SteveB_, yeah, works here | 18:09 |
| SteveB_ | must just be my works shitty dns | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | you tried opendns ? | 18:10 |
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| SteveB_ | ahha, its finally up:D | 18:10 |
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| lardman | Any maemo-mapper gurus about? | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | lardman, depends what part of the map you're looking at | 18:13 |
| SteveB_ | grr, no chinook binary on the tablets-dev site | 18:13 |
| lardman | crashanddie: mainly wondering about download POIs | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | SteveB_, what the ? | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | SteveB_, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 18:14 |
| SteveB_ | that's not chinook is it? | 18:15 |
| SteveB_ | why is it version 2.2, not 4.0 | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | where the hell do you see 2.2 ? | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | 2008SE | 18:15 |
| SteveB_ | _2.2 | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | SteveB_, maybe read the whole thing ? | 18:16 |
| SteveB_ | or is that a date? | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | 2007 ! | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | gee, I wonder, is 2007 a date, or just a random number | 18:16 |
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| SteveB_ | it would seem to be a random number | 18:16 |
| SteveB_ | given the context | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | ... | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | SteveB_, that's chinook, eot | 18:17 |
| SteveB_ | thanks for clearing that up | 18:17 |
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| zfigz | argh, my n810 is saying my sd card is corrupted | 18:19 |
| pupnik | maybe it's too idealistic | 18:20 |
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| zfigz | Why is it that sometimes my n810 does not recognize it's internal memory? | 18:24 |
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| mikkov_ | something's wrong with autobuilder: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001552.html | 18:26 |
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| mikkov_ | GNUton: ping | 18:27 |
| MakeGho | Anyone kone a good email client for n810? One that wouldn't crash all the time like the pre-installed one and would also do some spam filtering :) | 18:28 |
| MakeGho | *know | 18:28 |
| zfigz | Make, there's thunderbird | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: That is a race condition in the status reporting ;) | 18:29 |
| MakeGho | zfigz: what, really? *goes googling* | 18:29 |
| mikkov_ | too many failures at same time ;) | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: That is a bug in the autobuilder reporting, there are multiple builders. | 18:30 |
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| MakeGho | xournal also doesn't work for me :( I wonder what broke it. Whatever tool I select, it doesn't work. | 18:31 |
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| MakeGho | a pity since it was a very good program for a notebook replacement | 18:31 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: is there way to see autbuilder's queue? | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: No public way.. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I can see what files are in the incoming dir. | 18:35 |
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| MakeGho | zfigz: it isn't downloadable from anywhere yet it seems? | 18:36 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fafe: then the one I had on crawl had to be very slow because on my desktop it took 10 minutes to build :) | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: ;) | 18:38 |
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| zfigz | Make, whoops...you're right. | 18:40 |
| zfigz | What kind of data plan/phone do you guys use to tether your n810? | 18:41 |
| SteveB_ | none | 18:42 |
| Kegetys | nokia 6121 classic, 9e/month for 384kbps "3G" | 18:43 |
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| zfigz | I'm looking at Sprint's Sero plan | 18:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Nokia E70, 10e/month 2mbit/s "3G" (though phone is only capable of 386kbit :() | 18:44 |
| MakeGho | I have a Nokia 3110 classic with 1,5 e/MB :( That's horrible, I need to do something to it. | 18:45 |
| zfigz | What kind of data plan though?. | 18:45 |
| Kegetys | ? | 18:45 |
| MakeGho | what does it mean? | 18:46 |
| zfigz | I'm looking for a cell phone data plan to use | 18:46 |
| zfigz | I'm currently just using the n810 as my cell phone | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | My operator had a special offer a couple of years ago, 10E per month for 2mbit/s data with p2p restriction, otherwise unlimited | 18:49 |
| Kegetys | mine has no restrictions other than the 384kbps limit | 18:49 |
| glass | 3g connections are usually behind nat | 18:49 |
| glass | that limits uses a bit | 18:50 |
| ShadowJK | Mine's not behind nat :) | 18:50 |
| glass | lucky you :) | 18:50 |
| ShadowJK | Which is kinda amusing, if I'm using something on the phone that uses internet, the phone gets its own public IP, and the N810 also gets its own public IP | 18:50 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm wasting so many IPs :) | 18:51 |
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| MakeGho | how can I open zip files with n810? | 18:52 |
| AStorm | use unzip? (in xterm) | 18:52 |
| MakeGho | don't have that one | 18:52 |
| AStorm | I suspect someone could give you file-roller | 18:53 |
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| AStorm | not sure if it's visible w/o red-pill | 18:53 |
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| Kegetys | mine doesnt seem to be behind a nat either | 18:54 |
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| GNUton | mikkov_: pong | 18:55 |
| Kegetys | http://85.77.255.125/phpsysinfo/index.php or at least this works so I guess not :> | 18:56 |
| MakeGho | Hmm, switching to red pill mode removed all the repositories from my list | 18:59 |
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| zfigz | Can anyone recommend a phone/data plan in the US for n810 tethering? | 19:08 |
| vmlinuz | I'm using LG VX9800 with Verizon | 19:09 |
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| zfigz | vm, i think that's the same phone i have...my verizon plan just ended. | 19:09 |
| zfigz | How much are you paying? | 19:10 |
| MangoFusion | go with the iPhone 3g | 19:10 |
| MangoFusion | oh wait | 19:10 |
| MangoFusion | no | 19:10 |
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| MangoFusion | ;) | 19:10 |
| zfigz | actually this is my phone | 19:11 |
| zfigz | Verizon LG 8300 | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | iphone doesn't have DUN | 19:12 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, the bill says $10 | 19:13 |
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| zfigz | nice | 19:16 |
| zfigz | The LG VX8300 has integrated Bluetooth v1.1 and supports Bluetooth Headset, Hands-free, serial port, object push and dial-up networking (DUN) profiles. The Bluetooth software can store up to 20 pairing partners and can connect to one Bluetooth device at a time. | 19:16 |
| zfigz | I wonder if that'll be sufficient for tethering | 19:16 |
| zfigz | so much research to do | 19:16 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, I had to use bitpim to enable DUN in my device | 19:16 |
| vmlinuz | you'll probably want to do the same. Seems like Verizon disables it | 19:16 |
| vmlinuz | make sure you enable bnluetooth and pc-connection to bluetooth | 19:17 |
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| zfigz | On the phone that is right? | 19:17 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, correct | 19:18 |
| zfigz | Also, what's bitpim vmlinuz? | 19:18 |
| zfigz | vmlinuz, does it look like my phone is a good candidate for tethering? | 19:18 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, bitpim bitpim.org tool for messing with cellphones | 19:19 |
| zfigz | vmlinuz, and I need to download that to my cell phone? | 19:19 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, your phone model is fine. | 19:19 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, go to the website and read about it | 19:20 |
| zfigz | vmlinuz, and about the plan. You just have a data plan, correct? | 19:20 |
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| vmlinuz | zfigz, correct | 19:21 |
| zfigz | Very cool | 19:21 |
| zfigz | Looks like I'll just leave the phone in my car and carry the n810 around | 19:21 |
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| ||cw | bluetooth doens't have that far of a range | 19:23 |
| zfigz | I know | 19:23 |
| zfigz | I'd use it in the car | 19:23 |
| zfigz | when I don't have a wifi spot | 19:23 |
| vmlinuz | zfigz, whenever you'll pair the n810 and your cell, make sure you make the cell bluetooth 'visible' | 19:23 |
| zfigz | Ok, cool | 19:24 |
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| zfigz | vm, what's the plan you have? I'm looking on the verizon site now. | 19:26 |
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| zfigz | All the plans I see for internet access are the following ones | 19:27 |
| zfigz | http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=priceSort&catId=409&lid=//global//plans//wireless+internet+plan | 19:27 |
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| Khertan | jott > not really easy to scan something with n810 ... the n800 webcam is more usefull for that | 19:29 |
| jott | Khertan: yes unfortunately. | 19:30 |
| * Khertan is thinking of hacking his n810 by make an hole and return the webcam | 19:31 | |
| Khertan | s/make/making | 19:31 |
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| zfigz | vmlinuz, I don't think the $19.95 data plan is still available | 19:32 |
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| Blafasel | Yay, got my vacation for the summit. ;) Nice. | 19:38 |
| Blafasel | Jaffa: That vala ide work looks neat | 19:39 |
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| Blafasel | ls | 19:44 |
| Blafasel | hrmpf.. | 19:44 |
| MakeGho | "su" is more like it | 19:46 |
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| vmlinuz | zfigz, you might want to call you vzw rep and ask only for the data plans as an add-on to your current plan | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | Blafasel: ta :-) | 19:51 |
| Blafasel | Jaffa: I'm still stumbling a lot in the vala world though.. =/ | 19:52 |
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| zfigz | vmlinuz, that's the deal...I don't have a plan. It expired. | 19:53 |
| zfigz | Looks like I'll get a basic plan with the data plan on top of that. | 19:53 |
| Jaffa | Blafasel: if you give it a try, I'd love some feedback. I really struggle to learn a new language/library without good code complete these days: the syntax is easy, it's what I can do with it that I need IDE assistance for. I just haven't got time to Google every single thing or look it up in inadequate reference docs. | 19:54 |
| Blafasel | Jaffa: The lacking documentation and the dead IRC channel don't help either.. | 19:55 |
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| Blafasel | Jaffa: Currently I'm trying to write the most simple things in vim or monodevelop, but as soon as I'm doing something more serious I'll switch to a better tool | 19:56 |
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| b0unc3 | guys, is possible to register '|' in the buttons shortcut on the X-terminal? | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | b0unc3: yes, although I forget the details. You need to enter the XKeySym for it or something IIRC | 19:57 |
| AStorm | b0unc3: yes | 19:58 |
| AStorm | nah, just need to insert the | | 19:58 |
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| Jaffa | AStorm: really? hmm, I'm sure that didn't use to work on the version shipped in chinook | 19:59 |
| b0unc3 | AStorm: i just try to insert the | ... but it dosen't work... | 20:00 |
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| AStorm | Jaffa: well, it should, as | is the keysym for | | 20:01 |
| AStorm | :> | 20:01 |
| AStorm | probably a bug | 20:01 |
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| * Jaffa sticks his oar in on his favourite logos :-) | 20:03 | |
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| jott | b0unc3: you have to use "bar" afair. | 20:11 |
| b0unc3 | jott: thank you | 20:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, interesting, agps-ui doesn't update the almanac/etc if the satellite is already enabled | 20:18 |
| lardman | s/satellite/sat chipset | 20:19 |
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| suser | hello people | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: locking issues, perhaps? | 20:20 |
| MakeGho | I wonder if anyone has made a sound analyzer for maemo :) It should listen with the mic and do some fft. | 20:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: probably the GPS chip/gpsdriver throws away the data if it's running, but worth knowing | 20:21 |
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| lardman | MakeGho: Someone was talking about one of those a long while back, using the DSP | 20:22 |
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| lbt | is xrandr included in the Diablo kernel? | 20:24 |
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| crashanddie | MakeGho, yeah, I made one | 20:25 |
| MakeGho | oh, cool | 20:25 |
| jott | lbt: xrandr is in the xserver. rotation support is in the kernel for. both are not default in diablo. | 20:25 |
| MakeGho | crashanddie: can I get it from somewhere? | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | MakeGho, it's not publicly available though, I'll probably release it some time before the Summit | 20:25 |
| MakeGho | humm, what is The Summit by the way? | 20:26 |
| MakeGho | Ok :) | 20:26 |
| crashanddie | OSiM and Maemo Summit, in Berlin, September 18-20 | 20:26 |
| MakeGho | ok | 20:26 |
| MakeGho | I wish there was a clever way to develop software for maemo on Windows | 20:26 |
| jott | lardman: i thought the agps-ui had actually not much to do with the actual initiation of contacting the supl server?! | 20:27 |
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| crashanddie | MakeGho, vmware | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | MakeGho, or even more clevererererer: Boot to another OS :P | 20:27 |
| MakeGho | crashanddie: Could, maybe. Do you know the optimal distribution for just coding for maemo, nothing else? :) | 20:28 |
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| lardman | jott: I think it simply sends the location data to supld which does the contacting | 20:28 |
| jott | (in fact i think the agps-ui is pretty much useless :P | 20:28 |
| jott | i thought it just writes the location to gconf | 20:28 |
| MakeGho | The last time I tried the devenv was a pain to get working. But N810 wasn't released yet at that time, things could have changed. | 20:28 |
| jott | and the supld gets it from there. | 20:28 |
| lardman | jott: yep, which is presumably read by supld | 20:28 |
| crashanddie | MakeGho, there's an vmware image with scratchbox and everything, but any debian based distro will do | 20:28 |
| MakeGho | Oh, great! | 20:29 |
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| lardman | so the bug is in gpsdriver I suppose, it should restart the gps if someone updates the gconf data | 20:29 |
| jott | yeah, i hacked mameo mapper to feed gconf with a location ;) | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | should I be worried if I send a CV to a company and get any reaction within a week? :-° | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | s/get/don't get/ | 20:31 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: should I be worried if I send a CV to a company and don't get any reaction within a week? :-° | 20:31 |
| glass | depends | 20:31 |
| derf | Depends, did you actually want that job? | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | aye, really badly :P | 20:31 |
| glass | did you apply to some specific gig? that had a deadline on applicants | 20:31 |
| crashanddie | nope | 20:31 |
| jott | lardman: i think you can use dbus to contact supld. | 20:31 |
| glass | then you might get worried | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 20:32 |
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| lardman | jott: is there code, or just from strings on gpsdriver? | 20:33 |
| glass | crashanddie: it's vacation season tho.. | 20:34 |
| crashanddie | yeah, that's what I figured | 20:34 |
| glass | crashanddie: the guy(s) handling recruiting could be out for weeks | 20:34 |
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| crashanddie | I'll give my agent on the inside a new mission | 20:35 |
| MakeGho | crashanddie: it's summer time, they could just be on vacation maybe? | 20:36 |
| jott | lardman: just strings afaik | 20:36 |
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| Cptnodegard | whats bora? | 20:38 |
| lardman | jott: yeah, that was probably me then | 20:38 |
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| jott | mh | 20:40 |
| jott | supld does not fetch new data on RefreshAssistData or GetAssistData :( | 20:41 |
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| lardman | Where are those fns defined? | 20:41 |
| jott | supld | 20:42 |
| lardman | ah ok :) | 20:43 |
| oilinki | when you go to the job interview, you could leave one of these behind. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/ | 20:43 |
| oilinki | .. and then wait for them to call you back for the salary negotiations :) | 20:43 |
| jott | lardman: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData | 20:43 |
| crashanddie | Cptnodegard, old | 20:44 |
| Cptnodegard | old wht? | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | Bora = old | 20:44 |
| Cptnodegard | oh | 20:44 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 20:44 |
| * qwerty12 needs to get a new charger, I broke my old one while travelling up north :/ | 20:46 | |
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| lardman | jott: tried that and got out a load of bytes, mainly 0, but at least one 1 | 20:48 |
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| jott | lardman: yeah but it does not really contact the supl server after that :( | 20:51 |
| jott | i wonder if it is possible | 20:51 |
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| lardman | does it need more parameters - the lat/long for example? | 20:53 |
| jott | no i don't think so. this should be fetched from gconf. | 20:54 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 20:55 |
| lardman | I've got a lock atm, so I wonder if it needs to have gpsdriver not running? | 20:55 |
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| lardman | I don't understand why I've got a lock with SNR<=20 for 4 sats, but couldn't do likewise yesterday on a 737 on the ground | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | is there sqlite guru here ? | 20:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | how does sqlite manage datetime | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | does the format depends on local ? | 20:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | year-month-day on french | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | and year-day-month on english sys ? | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | american | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | same things ) | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | no, not at all | 20:58 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone know what happened to scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.8~20080428_i386.deb ? | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | year-month-day is SQL format | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | month/day/year is american | 20:58 |
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| Khertan_n810 | yes but sqlite isn t really sql :) | 20:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | l of sql is missing :) | 20:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s sq lite :) | 20:59 |
| lardman | jott: it may also check to see if the new location is close to the old, and not bother the SUPL server if it is, try relocating to Australia using agps-ui and checking for comms | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, you could always use a regexp to help you out | 21:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | i use strptime and strftime :) | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | Jaffa: I'm going nuts here with vala.. Do you have any good resources for this .. stuff? | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | Apart from the live.gnome.org wiki? | 21:01 |
| crashanddie | myfunction (datetime) { return strtotime(preg_replace("/(\d{2})\/(\d{2})\/(\d{2,4})/", "$2/$1/$3", datetime)); } | 21:02 |
| crashanddie | something like that | 21:02 |
| Blafasel | I prefer \d\d to \d{2} - saves a character. ;) And you might want to use something else as delimiter (instead of /) to avoid the /\/\ madness. Well, nvm. Back to vala limitations.. | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, that's just something I use in my code, I'm not the one who creates the data, I just work with it :P | 21:04 |
| Blafasel | crashanddie: That expression allows 3 digit years, though. ;) Ah. Ignore my rants. | 21:06 |
| crashanddie | so ? | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | You think there wasn't anything before the year 1000 ? | 21:07 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 21:07 |
| Blafasel | But, but.. What about 9 AD? | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | We're not documenting what happened +/- 100 years around the birth of jesus christ | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | We boycott that slice of history | 21:08 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. And let me guess, your application doesn't allow different calendars. Like the jewish for example ;) | 21:08 |
| crashanddie | do you know what my application is ? | 21:09 |
| Blafasel | Not at all. | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | I rest my case. | 21:09 |
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| crashanddie | Blafasel, this small part of the whole project just imports text files which contain date/time stamps in the form DD/MM/YY, and sometimes DD/MM/YYYY, I'm really not worried about David tethering with the logs :P | 21:11 |
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| robink | Webkit-gtk has issues. | 21:11 |
| robink | ...at least I'm pretty sure it's Webkit-GTK | 21:13 |
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| jott | lardman: gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 0 | 21:14 |
| jott | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData | 21:14 |
| jott | seems to always fetch data from the server | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer ax0n-HiR | 21:17 |
| infobot | 'ax0n-HiR' is 98.330% lame, crashanddie | 21:17 |
| crashanddie | OUCH | 21:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 21:18 |
| lardman | jott: ok | 21:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | ~nickometer Khertan | 21:19 |
| overflo | hi lardman | 21:19 |
| infobot | 'Khertan' is 0.000% lame, khertan_n810 | 21:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | hehe :) | 21:19 |
| lardman | hi overflo | 21:19 |
| Blafasel | Wth is that? | 21:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | so ... bye | 21:19 |
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| overflo | can we speak in private ? | 21:20 |
| robink | ~nickometer robink | 21:20 |
| infobot | 'robink' is 0.000% lame, robink | 21:20 |
| overflo | hi jott | 21:20 |
| jott | i wonder if changing pos_uncertainty increases the accuracy... | 21:20 |
| jott | hello overflo | 21:20 |
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| RST38bis | overflo: any luck hacking omap? | 21:21 |
| robink | Xomap? | 21:21 |
| overflo | no | 21:22 |
| overflo | :D | 21:22 |
| robink | oh | 21:22 |
| overflo | I din't kwow omap ... what's this ? | 21:22 |
| overflo | :D | 21:22 |
| jott | omap is the office of medical assistance programs :p | 21:23 |
| BULLE | =D | 21:23 |
| overflo | :D | 21:23 |
| jott | and hacking it sounds highly illegal :P | 21:23 |
| RST38bis | overflo: you were looking at omap datasheets on itt, right? | 21:23 |
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| overflo | yes | 21:24 |
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| crashanddie | who takes care of infobot | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | ~owner | 21:24 |
| infobot | TimRiker is my owner | 21:24 |
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| jott | ~chaninfo #maemo | 21:26 |
| infobot | On #maemo, there have been 4576 Joins, 2 Ops, 249 Parts, 30765 PublicMsgs, 4340 SignOffs and 10 Topics. At the moment, 1 Opped and 284 Total. oldlebot has said the most with a total of 2343 messages. | 21:26 |
| jott | hm that does not sound right :) | 21:27 |
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| aquatix | who's oldlebot? :) | 21:30 |
| jott | ~seen oldlebot | 21:32 |
| infobot | oldlebot is currently on #idlerpg (7d 23h 19m 27s). Has said a total of 2345 messages. Is idling for 1m 21s, last said: 'Adys reaches next level in 0 days, 11:05:47.'. | 21:32 |
| lardman | overflo: sure, you need a registered nick though I think] | 21:33 |
| overflo | yes | 21:34 |
| overflo | :D | 21:34 |
| overflo | I also wait fanoush | 21:35 |
| jott | lardman: you could also set yourself -E :) | 21:35 |
| lardman | how do I do that? | 21:36 |
| jott | .. /mode lardman -E | 21:36 |
| lardman | cool | 21:36 |
| robink | /mode lardman -E | 21:36 |
| robink | dang, beaten to it. | 21:36 |
| lardman | I get "a :is unknown mode char to me" | 21:37 |
| overflo | I have a program with mediawiki | 21:37 |
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| zanshin | ~seen Stskeeps | 21:37 |
| infobot | stskeeps <n=chobits@84.238.11.16> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 35m 11s ago, saying: 'and then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.)'. | 21:37 |
| jott | lardman: hmm what client do you use? .. should actually work on most ones.. | 21:37 |
| lardman | Visual IRC (Windows) | 21:38 |
| lardman | I will reboot after supper and can have a chat latter on overflo | 21:38 |
| lardman | s/latter/later | 21:38 |
| lardman | jott, robink, thanks for the commands | 21:38 |
| jott | sure np. | 21:39 |
| lardman | So, is there a bug against the lack of a way to interface with the supl server? I can't find one | 21:39 |
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| jott | lardman: what do you want to do actually? | 21:42 |
| jott | i think enforcing the retrieval of data seems to work | 21:42 |
| jott | and most of the dbus stuff is self-explanatory | 21:42 |
| lardman | jott: I'd like an interface so we can use something other than agps-ui | 21:42 |
| jott | lardman: i have an "unstable" patch for maemo mapper to set the location | 21:43 |
| lardman | ah, you mean we can write the lat/long already, then tell it to update? | 21:43 |
| jott | yeah i guess so.. | 21:43 |
| lardman | ah cool, do you have that documented any where? | 21:43 |
| jott | irc log :) | 21:43 |
| jott | just as i said above a bit. change the gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 0 | 21:44 |
| jott | so it will always fetch data on GetAssistData | 21:44 |
| oilinki | jott: do you also have the secrect how to convert the mapper paths.db to gpx ? | 21:44 |
| lardman | does it only fetch data if the location changes? There must be a reason for that setting | 21:44 |
| jott | and it would be interesting to observe if changing pos_uncertainty affects it. | 21:45 |
| lardman | jott: I'll have to reboot and look at the strings output and see where the lat/long is stored | 21:45 |
| jott | lardman: not 100% about this. | 21:45 |
| oilinki | jott: I'd like to export the mapper paths automatically on the command line. | 21:45 |
| jott | lardman: it's also stored under /system/osso/supl | 21:46 |
| lardman | oilinki@ look at the source, it's just a db afaik | 21:46 |
| oilinki | lardman: the sqlite db is easy, but the coordinates are in a more difficult format. | 21:46 |
| lardman | jott: ok, well it would be good to hook into something like GeoClue/maemo-mapper to use rather than agps-ui | 21:47 |
| jott | oilinki: shouldn't be too hard. | 21:47 |
| lardman | oilinki: ah, ok; no idea then | 21:47 |
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| jott | lardman: as i said, i patched maemo-mapper. but i suppose it needs some cleanup. | 21:47 |
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| jott | oilinki: unit2latlon seems to do the jon | 21:48 |
| jott | job | 21:48 |
| oilinki | jott: where is that one? | 21:48 |
| oilinki | I could get the lattitude, but not lognitude. | 21:49 |
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| crashanddie | lognitude ? | 21:49 |
| oilinki | sqlite3 paths.db " select num,unitx,unity,time,altitude from track_path ;" | sed 's/|/ /g' | awk 'BEGIN {OFMT= "%10.10f";} {print $1,($2*360/2^29)-180, 360*(atan2($3*(-6.28318377773622/2^29),70)) } | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | Is that the log-verbose level ? | 21:49 |
| jott | (lon) = ((unitx) * (360.0 / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) - 180.0; \ | 21:49 |
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| oilinki | jott: ah. then I could get the lattitude. | 21:50 |
| jott | (lat) = (360.0 * (atan(exp(((unity) * (MERCATOR_SPAN / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) \ | 21:50 |
| jott | + MERCATOR_TOP)))) * (1.0 / PI) - 90.0; \ | 21:50 |
| jott | :) | 21:51 |
| jott | #define MERCATOR_SPAN (-6.28318377773622) | 21:51 |
| jott | #define MERCATOR_TOP (3.14159188886811) | 21:51 |
| oilinki | hm.. ok I'll try to build something on that one :) | 21:51 |
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| Blafasel | Jaffa: Did you create the vala / libgee0 packages? | 22:02 |
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| Blafasel | libgee0 has this maintainer line: Maintainer: Maintainers of Vala packages <pkg-vala-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 22:04 |
| Blafasel | So it's an official debian package? | 22:04 |
| mulva | hi there | 22:04 |
| mulva | how's everyone? | 22:04 |
| mulva | where can I found the last version of Xournal? | 22:05 |
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| mulva | this one sucks | 22:05 |
| mulva | it's a mess | 22:05 |
| mulva | find* | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, no. ;) | 22:10 |
| Blafasel | Hrmpf. Anyone in here able to repackage a debian package for maemo? Really small library? | 22:10 |
| Blafasel | I fear I lack the skills and knowledge so far. | 22:11 |
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| Blafasel | (And this library should end up in maemo extras anyway, the version there is outdated) | 22:11 |
| Veggen | hmmf. | 22:11 |
| Veggen | maemo mapper seems to misalign the maps consistently... | 22:12 |
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| mulva | is there anything that ever works proper? | 22:13 |
| Veggen | ah. "map correction" | 22:13 |
| Veggen | that was a feature :) | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | dirtyrice88 is so lame. | 22:14 |
| mulva | what is? | 22:15 |
| lardman|afk | jott: do you have that maemo-mapper patch handy, I'd be interested in looking at it? | 22:15 |
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| Blafasel | Okay, trying another way: Any tutorials on repackaging debian packages? I just need them to depend on the "right" libc versions etc. | 22:17 |
| melmoth | the maemo tutorial has exemple, as well as the debian maintainer doc thingy | 22:17 |
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| melmoth | Blafasel: if you are lucky, apt-get source the debian in debian; and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in scratchbox should do the trick | 22:18 |
| Blafasel | melmoth: Unfortunately I don't have a (non-scratchbox) debian system. But thanks, those answers were helpful | 22:19 |
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| dannym | hi | 22:20 |
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| Blafasel | melmoth: I probably could download the sources for the package from here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/libgee | 22:21 |
| jott | lardman: http://outpo.st/maemo_mapper_agps.patch | 22:22 |
| Blafasel | But can you give me a hint how to arrange that stuff so that dpkg-buildpackage accepts it again? | 22:22 |
| jott | (against svn head) | 22:22 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 22:22 |
| melmoth | yep that s the kind of file apt-get source gives | 22:23 |
| melmoth | put them all in a common dir | 22:23 |
| lardman | jott: oh, really is that easy | 22:23 |
| jott | lardman: well not 100% sure. but i think it should. | 22:24 |
| jott | as supld just fetches the gconf values.. | 22:24 |
| melmoth | Blafasel: then uncompress the tarball | 22:24 |
| melmoth | Blafasel: chances are you will have to apply the patch (diff file) manually | 22:25 |
| lardman | fetches the lat/long, sends message to supl server and returns the almanac/ephemeris presumably? | 22:25 |
| melmoth | there may be a automagic dpkg command that does it, but i do not know | 22:25 |
| melmoth | i usually have all this done with apt-get source | 22:25 |
| lardman | jott: have you tried that with your earlier commands to Refresh the data? | 22:25 |
| Blafasel | melmoth: No problem to apply the patch manually, I just don't know how the resulting directory structure has to look like | 22:26 |
| lbt | Blafasel: what host OS are you running? | 22:26 |
| jott | lardman: no, not yet. but i guess supld will be queried when the gps is activated. | 22:26 |
| melmoth | you must launch dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in a somename-realeasenumber.versionnumber directory (most probably what you will have by untarring the tarball) | 22:27 |
| jott | i think we need to take a closer look. and on top we should test if changing pos_uncertainty has any positive effect. | 22:27 |
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| Blafasel | lbt: linux, OpenSuse 11 | 22:27 |
| lardman | jott: yes, it might be worth looking at how to force gpsdriver to restart in that case, to force the supl data to be used - esp if updating from maemo-mapper, it won't have any effect until it's restarted | 22:28 |
| Blafasel | melmoth: The point is: The dsc and patch need to be incorporated into that extracted source tarball, right? That's what I'm missing currently | 22:28 |
| lardman | Blafasel: dpkg-source -x *.dsc ?? | 22:28 |
| jott | lardman: yeah maybe there is a way to tell gpsdriver to get new data from supld while running | 22:28 |
| lardman | jott: if so, agps-ui doesn't use it | 22:29 |
| jott | lardman: then with the cache deactivated it could be ensured that the data is up to date. | 22:29 |
| lbt | well, Blafasel libgee needs work.... | 22:29 |
| jott | no agps-ui seems pretty useless to me :) | 22:29 |
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| lbt | I just did apt-get source libgee | 22:29 |
| lardman | jott: I wonder what the cache is used for, unless that means it should cache the desirec location and only start spuld when gpsdriver asks it to | 22:29 |
| lbt | then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b | 22:30 |
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| jott | lardman: i think the cache is only for set sat locations. | 22:31 |
| jott | lardman: supld just returns the data to what client asks it via dbus. | 22:31 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Ahh.. | 22:31 |
| jott | (and i suppose gpsdriver just asks supld) | 22:32 |
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| Blafasel | lbt: *sigh* Yeah. | 22:33 |
| jott | dbus_supl_refresh_assist_data_cache / dbus_supl_get_assist_data as strings in gpsdriver seem to confirm this | 22:33 |
| lardman | Blafasel: did that work? | 22:33 |
| lardman | Blafasel: then cd into the directory and do dpkg-buildpackage etc | 22:33 |
| Blafasel | lardman: Yes. | 22:33 |
| Blafasel | lardman: That, unfortunately doesn't work.. | 22:33 |
| Blafasel | Have to see how I can change the dependencies. | 22:34 |
| Blafasel | Needs another glib version | 22:34 |
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| lardman | ah ok | 22:34 |
| lardman | edit the control file in the debian dir | 22:34 |
| lardman | jott: ok | 22:34 |
| lardman | jott: we don't need to mess with that though, so that's fine | 22:35 |
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| jott | lardman: yes, so (temporarly) disabling the cache should help enforcing an update and setting the gconf lat/lot/time seems to be succient for supld | 22:36 |
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| Blafasel | *sigh* okay, seems to fail during tests. No idea why. | 22:39 |
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| Blafasel | make: *** [testdir] Error 1 - I mean... What t F can I do to find the problem with this? That line is rather useless.. | 22:41 |
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| Blafasel | If I disable the tests make succeeds. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't, with the same error. | 22:45 |
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| dannym | apropos Debian, Is that bad: "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" (in Scratchbox) ? | 22:51 |
| GNUton | X-Fade: ping | 22:55 |
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| dannym | which package has "dput" ? | 23:00 |
| florian | re | 23:01 |
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| chelli | dannym: devscripts | 23:19 |
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| chelli | dannym: sorry, it is not devscripts, the correct package is just dput :) | 23:20 |
| dannym | chelli: ah, thanks :) | 23:21 |
| dannym | chelli: unfortunately I get a "package is not available but referenced by other package" thing... | 23:21 |
| dannym | chelli: Maybe it's because I'm still on chinook in the scratchbox (because there's no diablo repository I can find...) | 23:22 |
| chelli | dannym: you should normally use dput from outside of scratchbox | 23:23 |
| chelli | dannym: which distribution do you use? | 23:23 |
| dannym | chelli: Gentoo | 23:23 |
| chelli | ok, then it is a little bit complicated :) | 23:23 |
| dannym | chelli: everything else (package download etc) is in Scratchbox too, so why not dput? strange... | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dannym, lots of network apps tend to act funny under sbox :/. maybe try building dput in x86 target? | 23:25 |
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| dannym | qwerty12_N800: yeah, I'll try (should be easier than getting all the debian debs onto the Gentoo host system :-))... | 23:27 |
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| dannym | qwerty12_N800: reminds me, did you say you ported usb mode switch? :) | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dannym, yeah, i have a binary available on the itt forum :) | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i think the 3g wiki page is great btw | 23:28 |
| dannym | qwerty12_N800: do you have a deb I can put into dependencies? *wishful thinking* :) | 23:29 |
| dannym | qwerty12_N800: well, I'm in the process of creating a Debian binary package and then the 3G wiki page will be simplified a lot ;) | 23:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dannym, no deb :(, you could package it though :p. | 23:29 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 is hooked on blobby volley | 23:30 | |
| dannym | qwerty12_N800: hehe, I could try :) I still have to read the intro for mud-builder though (which is supposed to be used for small ports, right?) :) | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dannym, :), mud-builder could be great for this task,never used it myself though, i repack an existing deb if i must :p | 23:32 |
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| mikkov_ | i have openlierox somewhat working :) | 23:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, great, i know someone had a dodgy tarball of that... i'm really enjoying your ports, thanks | 23:35 |
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| mikkov_ | I saw that tarball too, but it wasn't really usable | 23:35 |
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| mikkov_ | i package beta4 because beta5 didn't work at all. | 23:36 |
| mikkov_ | everything else seems to work but ai-players crash game instantly | 23:37 |
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| mikkov_ | qwerty12_N800: do you have -maemo4 version of blobby volley? | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, let me check, just upgraded right now | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep, Version: 0.6a-maemo4 | 23:40 |
| mikkov_ | did you try touchscreeb controls? | 23:40 |
| mikkov_ | -screen | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no I haven't actually, i should :) | 23:41 |
| mikkov_ | that was the change. I'd like to hear if they are any good :) | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | doesn't seem to be working for me, let me rm .blobby :) | 23:42 |
| mikkov_ | it should work | 23:43 |
| mikkov_ | or if it doesn't something's wrong :) | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, it's not doing it for me :/, i'll --purge it and try again :) | 23:44 |
| dannym | hrm, "sb-menu" hanged... it was an endless loop: TERM="rxvt-unicode" is unsupported... just in case someone else has the problem too :) | 23:44 |
| dannym | (workaround) solution is just to 'export TERM="rxvt"' before calling "sb-menu". | 23:45 |
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| mikkov_ | trying version from repos... | 23:46 |
| smyows | time to go home! | 23:46 |
| smyows | o/ | 23:46 |
| smyows | bye people | 23:46 |
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| mikkov_ | it's working for me.. | 23:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | It's not doing it for me, no worries, the game is still brilliant with the buttons :) | 23:49 |
| mikkov_ | you did change controls from options->input options->left/right player? | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, i tap the screen, it wont accept as valid input | 23:51 |
| dannym | qwerty12_N800: mmmh, which dput (source) version should I use as base to build on the X86 target? | 23:51 |
| dannym | (it's not like I can "apt-get source dput" :)) | 23:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | dannym, debian stable (i forget the name)? | 23:51 |
| mikkov_ | qwerty12_N800: for the jump button? any key should also work | 23:52 |
| dannym | qwerty12_N800: according to <http://packages.debian.org/stable/>, "Etch" ... *searches* | 23:52 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | mikkov_, doh, i didn't see touchscreen as input option, i thought you configured keyboard option. works great, thanks! | 23:53 |
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| RST38h | All right, gentlemen, emulator packages are being uploaded to diablo extras/non-free | 23:56 |
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