| JZA | anyone know where does ossomail stores email | 00:01 |
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| khertan_ | Hi ! | 00:31 |
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| ryoohki | whats a good free gps mapping software package for the n800 diablo? i just got a cheap bluetooth gps device but can't find any sw for it for diablo | 00:42 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Mapper. | 00:43 |
| ryoohki | maemo mapper is free? | 00:43 |
| GAN800 | Er, obviously, or I wouldn't suggest it. . . . | 00:43 |
| ryoohki | ok, sorry | 00:44 |
| ryoohki | thanks! | 00:44 |
| Proteous | FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 00:44 |
| GAN800 | bird | 00:44 |
| Proteous | no stairway plz | 00:45 |
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| nomis | where is the statusbar-applet-configuration stored on the filesystem? Somehow my battery icon got lost... | 00:45 |
| * GAN800 pulls out a lighter. | 00:45 | |
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| robink | Maemo mapper seems to be missing from Diablo. | 00:46 |
| robink | I haven't tried AGPS | 00:46 |
| Proteous | I wonder what my phone/n810 battery life will be if I keep my edge connection and bluetooth teather going all day | 00:46 |
| RST38bis | nomis: reboot. | 00:47 |
| nomis | RST38bis: does not help. | 00:47 |
| RST38bis | robink: chinook extras. | 00:47 |
| robink | RST38bis: Ah | 00:47 |
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| Proteous | does agps work with a n800 and a bluetooth gps? | 00:48 |
| nomis | and I cannot re-enable the battery applet, since it is "special" and cannot be configured in the prefs :-/ | 00:49 |
| nomis | Proteous: unlikely. | 00:49 |
| RST38bis | nomis: control panel => panels => status bar | 00:49 |
| RST38bis | ok | 00:49 |
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| fuelfive | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is down | 00:49 |
| RST38bis | a moment | 00:50 |
| RST38bis | proteous: no and does not have to | 00:50 |
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| fuelfive | anyone have a copy of diablo for the N810 they can spare? | 00:50 |
| robink | fuelfive: Huh? | 00:51 |
| robink | fuelfive: Yeah, but you can get it from Nokia. | 00:51 |
| GAN800 | Proteous, no and no. | 00:51 |
| fuelfive | I'm trying, but their site is down | 00:51 |
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| smackpotato1 | i might | 00:51 |
| GAN800 | 3-6 hours for EDGE and no way to get agps data there over bt. | 00:52 |
| robink | Would I be naughty if I pushed it to my little web server? | 00:52 |
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| fuelfive | that would be super helpful | 00:53 |
| fuelfive | my company has a big deployment on monday, and I need a diablo image so that I can flash the 10 N810s we just bought | 00:53 |
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| fuelfive | here's proof that i really need your help: | 00:54 |
| fuelfive | http://tinyurl.com/6efubu | 00:54 |
| robink | http://creosotehill.org/~robink/RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:55 |
| robink | holy cow | 00:55 |
| robink | That's a lot of N810s | 00:55 |
| fuelfive | thanks robink | 00:56 |
| robink | np | 00:56 |
| fuelfive | you are my hero for today | 00:56 |
| robink | heh thanks | 00:56 |
| fuelfive | yeah it was like $3100 | 00:56 |
| robink | Jebus | 00:56 |
| robink | Weird, I get a gzip error when refreshing the maemo Extras. | 00:57 |
| RST38bis | nomis: does not seem to be in gconf | 00:57 |
| Mercury | fuelfive: I gotta ask, what are you going to use them all for? | 00:57 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't understand nokia. you have the ssu updates on the nokia server but the images on the maemo server :/ | 00:58 | |
| RST38bis | btw, i have found a bug in mahjong!!! | 00:58 |
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| fuelfive | http://frogmetrics.com/ | 00:58 |
| fuelfive | my company uses them to give surveys | 00:58 |
| RST38bis | there is a typo in mahjong hiscores gconf key! | 00:59 |
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| fuelfive | Mercury: ^^ see above | 00:59 |
| nomis | RST38bis: I have seen this in some file, I've forgotten where though :-/ | 01:00 |
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| smackpotato1 | whats with telephony gabble | 01:00 |
| smackpotato1 | it uses all my cycles | 01:01 |
| RST38bis | nomis: grep etc and ~ for it | 01:01 |
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| esworp | do the 810s have the same responsiveness as the 800s, or ae they faster? | 01:02 |
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| robink | esworp: They're pretty much the same with OS2008, I believe. | 01:02 |
| esworp | hrm. i'm torn as to if I want to upgrade? | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you'll be happy to know i'm near oldham :p | 01:03 |
| smackpotato1 | I,love my 810 | 01:03 |
| smackpotato1 | esworp the upgrade is good | 01:05 |
| * robink wants Gentoo to have Hildon. | 01:05 | |
| Mercury | Having gotten my n810 this past week, and being the owner of an n800, the n810 is simply a better device. | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's an easy way of setting cpufreq to performance from xterm? | 01:05 |
| smackpotato1 | the screen is exelent | 01:05 |
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| Kegetys | by the time you'd be done compiling gentoo on the device there would already be N910 available | 01:06 |
| Mercury | For the same screen size, you have a device which is smaller in every dimension, including thickness, you have a better display, a keyboard, the lock key thinggy is _really_ an improvement, and they seem to have fixed the backlight unevenness around the edges problem. | 01:06 |
| robink | fuelfive: Is your survey client written in (C(++)?|Python|Obj-C) or HTML/AJAX? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 | 01:07 |
| esworp | my main compliant is the touchscreen having degraded. | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 01:07 |
| lcuk | echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, in halifax atm :p | 01:07 |
| robink | Kegetys: I wouldn't compile the distro for the device on the device, I'd use my host machine. | 01:07 |
| Mercury | esworp: Degraded? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | oh gawd | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what? bruv, i was born here :p | 01:08 |
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| esworp | yeah. there are parts where the sensitivity is lessening. a drag across the screen results in all kinds of taps. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 01:09 |
| robink | esworp: I've had that, but I think it's because I don't press hard enough. | 01:09 |
| lcuk | but you defected | 01:09 |
| Mercury | esworp: That's, annoying. How long have you owned the unit? | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mercury, you also have significantly less storage, a crappy dpad that's in a terrible position, a non-swivelling camera, and a less durable design. | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They both have their advantages. | 01:10 |
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| disq | mplayer (or even xmms with flac.so installed) skips some flacs after a couple secs playtime. ideas? | 01:10 |
| RST38bis | storage andd camera are insigniificant | 01:11 |
| RST38bis | dpad absolutely sucks though | 01:11 |
| robink | RST38bis: worse than the N800? | 01:11 |
| * robink likes the N810 dpad | 01:11 | |
| RST38bis | oh yes | 01:11 |
| nomis | RST38bis: ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.clock | 01:11 |
| RST38bis | try playing a game with it | 01:11 |
| nomis | eh. .conf :) | 01:12 |
| RST38bis | nomis: but why clock and not battery? | 01:12 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: The dpad being on the keyboard _is_ annoying, I'll give you that. But the difference between a fixed 2G internal and an external mini-SDHC, and an internal SDHC and an external SDHC just isn't _that_ huge. | 01:12 |
| nomis | RST38bis: I mistyped. The filename is "statusbar.conf" | 01:12 |
| RST38bis | oh | 01:13 |
| fuelfive | robink: it's actually a bunch of languages, no html though | 01:13 |
| robink | fuelfive: Ah. | 01:13 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: If you're actually using even 4G of storage on your unit, I'd love to know with what. :) | 01:13 |
| fuelfive | the animations and other cool stuff we do is way too processor intensive to do in html | 01:14 |
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| robink | fuelfive: You could do it with SVG if you had a decent engine (no browser engine that I know of does animated SVG tho). | 01:14 |
| jott | "wasd" is actually quite ok for gaming on the n810 (much better than the dpad) | 01:14 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: Now, IMHO, they should have probably just gone for two micro-SDHC slots, but. | 01:14 |
| * Mercury AFKs. | 01:14 | |
| Kegetys | can you do software raid-0 with the two slots on the N800 for additional speed? :P | 01:15 |
| fuelfive | robink: originally we tried it in flash, but it was waaayyy too slow | 01:15 |
| fuelfive | plus we can do cool stuff with the gps and camera by having it a binary program | 01:15 |
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| robink | fuelfive: Indeed. | 01:16 |
| jott | hehe camera is good. take pictures of the confused faces on some of the questions :) | 01:16 |
| fuelfive | haha | 01:17 |
| robink | fuelfive: So it is a native binary, and not an interpreted script or bytecode? | 01:17 |
| fuelfive | more for staff sign up | 01:17 |
| fuelfive | so if you're a waiter at a restaurant, you sign up using the device, it takes your picture, your picture shows up on your "weekly report card" | 01:17 |
| * lcuk is doin somefink like that | 01:18 | |
| khertan_ | someone have see that : Android Scan : http://scan.jsharkey.org/ | 01:18 |
| khertan_ | a great idea for the nit | 01:18 |
| fuelfive | robink: it's not just one program. there's some python, some C, some shell scripts, some OS-level customization | 01:18 |
| Proteous | I have an 8gig microSD card in my n810 filled with music | 01:18 |
| lcuk | fuelfive, is the ui as slick on device as your site? | 01:18 |
| jott | khertan_: we are working on it ;) | 01:18 |
| khertan_ | already ? | 01:18 |
| jott | khertan_: check out maemo barcode | 01:18 |
| khertan_ | great :) | 01:18 |
| fuelfive | lcuk: it's way way slicker | 01:18 |
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| fuelfive | the site was just sort of hacked together with jquery | 01:19 |
| khertan_ | oh ... is it released ? | 01:19 |
| jott | barcode recognition alread works, so does upc database lookup | 01:19 |
| jott | khertan_: just the source no packages yet | 01:19 |
| lcuk | :) graphics tearing? | 01:19 |
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| F-i-G | oi fellas | 01:19 |
| khertan_ | jott: :) | 01:19 |
| fuelfive | on the device we have our own animation library that's a lot like apple's CoreImage | 01:19 |
| F-i-G | Is there really no way of getting rid of the application panel? Eespecially since Personal Menu works so much more better. | 01:19 |
| fuelfive | so we can do all kinds of gradients and drop shadows and independently fading and sliding elements | 01:19 |
| lcuk | nice, are you in c++ and what is the backend bound to? | 01:20 |
| jott | khertan_: http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode <- binary | 01:20 |
| khertan_ | svn checkout --username développeur https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode | 01:20 |
| fuelfive | lcuk: some of it is in c, some python, some shell scripts, some OS-level hacking | 01:20 |
| khertan_ | ouch wrong windows | 01:20 |
| fuelfive | we use each for its strong suit | 01:20 |
| fuelfive | the web backend is all in ruby on rails | 01:21 |
| jott | khertan_: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 <- database | 01:21 |
| fuelfive | lots of neat data visualizations and reports and stuff | 01:21 |
| jott | khertan_: you are welcome to help and contribute | 01:21 |
| lcuk | yer ill bet | 01:22 |
| khertan_ | it s in c ? | 01:22 |
| jott | yes | 01:22 |
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| khertan_ | couldn't contribute a lot as i'm python dev :) | 01:22 |
| khertan_ | (and mainly c compiling onboard is a pain) | 01:22 |
| robink | khertan_: scratchbox | 01:22 |
| jott | well if you want you can make python bindings for the image recognition code :) | 01:22 |
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| RST38bis | jott: any chance to see it in extras? | 01:23 |
| jott | i don't really care if the ui is in python or c :) | 01:23 |
| khertan_ | it could be interesting :) | 01:23 |
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| jott | RST38bis: hm i think it is a bit too experimental atm | 01:23 |
| jott | but maybe it could help to attract more developers | 01:23 |
| khertan_ | héhé :) | 01:23 |
| khertan_ | i ll take a look to this tomorrow ... | 01:24 |
| Kegetys | jott: I showed a barcode to it, the pic froze and my n810 rebooted :) | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | jott, do you have to build an actual lib to bind with it? or can you bind to just a .o | 01:24 |
| khertan_ | now i need to sleep ... | 01:24 |
| jott | Kegetys: hmmm strange | 01:24 |
| jott | Kegetys: with the binary i just posted? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | infinite loop | 01:24 |
| * qwerty12_N800 df -h's to see if i have 'nuff space | 01:24 | |
| fuelfive | lcuk: robink what are you guys working on atm? | 01:24 |
| Kegetys | jott: yes | 01:24 |
| khertan_ | bye ... gute nachte ! | 01:24 |
| RST38bis | jott: why not make it a bit less experimental though? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | fuelfive - did you get my pm? | 01:25 |
| jott | RST38bis: if you give me some extra hours :) | 01:25 |
| lcuk | i hope you didnt actually | 01:25 |
| RST38bis | lib - sounds fine | 01:25 |
| fuelfive | oh wait, I did | 01:25 |
| fuelfive | it was below the fold | 01:25 |
| jott | Kegetys: maybe it has a problem when the database is missing :/ | 01:25 |
| jott | rm_you: poke :P | 01:26 |
| lcuk | jott :P get some error reporting | 01:27 |
| Kegetys | jott: tbh it doesn't seem that usable anyway with the N810 since the camera faces front | 01:28 |
| jott | Kegetys: works quite fine if you know how to hold it :) | 01:28 |
| jott | but i agree the n800 is better suited | 01:28 |
| lcuk | when the 810 is on the shopping clip on the shopping cart you get to see the screen and flash your item at it | 01:28 |
| * qwerty12_N800 will not be flashing my item at my n800 | 01:29 | |
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| lcuk | sure, its not a handheld trigger, but it will work like a cashiers scanner | 01:29 |
| Kegetys | would maybe be a bit easier to position if the image would be mirrored | 01:29 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12, it wouldnt be able to resolve the barcode on yours without a magnifying glass | 01:29 |
| rm_you | Kegetys: try my binary | 01:29 |
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| esworp | i've had the unit for several months. nokia indicats they'd refurb it. but to be without my baby that long., | 01:29 |
| rm_you | Kegetys: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode | 01:29 |
| jott | rm_you: hm i suppose its because he is missing the db?! | 01:30 |
| rm_you | Kegetys: did you grab the correct database file? | 01:30 |
| rm_you | ah yes | 01:30 |
| Kegetys | no, just the binary | 01:30 |
| rm_you | Kegetys: download http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 | 01:30 |
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| jott | beware - it is quite big :) | 01:31 |
| rm_you | and either put it in the same directory as the binary or else symlink it in (after you bunzip2 it) | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, people who need glasses to see big things won't be needing it for mine. now go an relieve yourself with tweezers :p | 01:31 |
| XTL | sounds uncomfortable | 01:32 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:32 |
| esworp | are there any roll-up or fabric bluetooth keyboards out there? | 01:32 |
| F-i-G | do you guys ever boot your n810 off and the screen stays on? | 01:32 |
| F-i-G | only taking the battery seems to fixes it | 01:32 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:32 |
| rm_you | jott: I am doing amazon.com scraping next, then going back to working on datamatrix and QR | 01:32 |
| XTL | "boot off" = dropkick? | 01:32 |
| rm_you | derf: you still working on converting QR code or were you waiting for me to do that? | 01:33 |
| jott | rm_you: http://isbndb.com/ have you seen this? | 01:33 |
| XTL | Wow, what a great audience. | 01:33 |
| * XTL goes to sleep | 01:33 | |
| rm_you | jott: no, mmmm | 01:33 |
| jott | http://isbndb.com/docs/api/ | 01:33 |
| rm_you | jott: I was thinking about using amazon for more than just books tho... also DVDs and music | 01:34 |
| jott | yeah indeed | 01:34 |
| rm_you | and WHATEVER they carry | 01:34 |
| jott | maybe we really should use python for the gui/lookup stuff :) | 01:34 |
| F-i-G | has anyone ever gotten that, where the screen stays on after a shutdown ? | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i have | 01:34 |
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| jott | we could also hire khertan_ as code monkey then :P | 01:35 |
| F-i-G | qwerty, does that happen often for you? | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mercury, maps (5GB), movies (1-10GB), pictures (.25-1GB), music (.5-4GB), ebooks (1GB). | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's plenty of things to fill SD cards with. | 01:35 |
| rm_you | jott: I would much rather deal with Python for UI / everything | 01:35 |
| F-i-G | qwerty, or do you know of remedy for it? | 01:35 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: Hrm, the maps, movies, and music I'll admit tend to get awkward. | 01:36 |
| rm_you | lcuk: did you ever figure out embedding C into python? | 01:36 |
| jott | rm_you: you can just create binding | 01:36 |
| jott | s | 01:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | F-i-G, it used to but now not so much. afaik, it's a process not shutting down properly | 01:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 01:36 |
| rm_you | never tried, dunno how it works | 01:37 |
| F-i-G | qwerty, i see. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Admit", eh. . . . | 01:37 |
| jott | so we could do a binding for the barcode recognition | 01:37 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: But there are 8GB micro SDHC cards. | 01:37 |
| lcuk | yei looked and thought it had to use a library and i couldnt link direct to a .o because it has no public interfaces | 01:37 |
| F-i-G | qwerty, i usually select the shut down option via the power button. | 01:37 |
| F-i-G | or just hold the power button down | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mercury, which don't cover it. | 01:37 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: Admittedly, I'm not aware of any 16GB micros, but. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got two 16s at the moment | 01:37 |
| F-i-G | General, nice | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, I need the storage. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | YOUR use case may not, but many people's do. | 01:37 |
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| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: N800 or N810? | 01:38 |
| * jott has yet to fill his 4gb card .. | 01:39 | |
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| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: I have a problem with headphones, thus portable music (and in many ways video) doesn't interest me that much. And I'm very rarely somewhere that I could watch a video, but which I can't just use a laptop. The maps I can definitely see there though. | 01:40 |
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| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: The ebooks, what format ebooks do you have? PDF? Lots of image content? | 01:40 |
| * qwerty12_N800 needs to get another 8gb | 01:40 | |
| * F-i-G needs a girlfriend and/or a booty call | 01:40 | |
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| Kegetys | image storage for digicam could use some really big cards too | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | F-i-G, lcuk's volunteering :p | 01:41 |
| BULLE | Kegetys: the high end pro cams that realy need those big sizes tend to use compact flash though, not sd | 01:41 |
| Kegetys | BULLE: you can read that with a usb card reader | 01:41 |
| Mercury | Kegetys: Point. But it's either not SD at all, or an 8GB microSD with an adapter is simply less optimal then a 16GB SD or 32GB SD, not unusable. | 01:42 |
| lcuk | F-i-G, ive had programs lasting into reboot before now.. | 01:42 |
| lcuk | draing over the charging icon | 01:43 |
| lcuk | drawing even | 01:43 |
| Kegetys | for shooting raw you want a really fast card in the camera and big + fast = very expensive, you could buy a smaller but fast CF on the camera and when its full dump the images to the big card on N8x0 | 01:43 |
| F-i-G | yeah...the screen lingers on for like 15sec after shutdown | 01:43 |
| F-i-G | also my internal memory and removable are sometimes not recognized | 01:43 |
| lcuk | F-i-G, you sound like you have a bad app running | 01:44 |
| F-i-G | hmm | 01:44 |
| F-i-G | i don't know what it would be | 01:44 |
| F-i-G | ok, i got my internal back | 01:44 |
| F-i-G | time to put my removable back in | 01:44 |
| lcuk | start simply. go into your app list and get rid of everything you have tested and dont need anymore | 01:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | F-i-G, happens to me quite a bit. i would say though that the 2 problems are seperate | 01:45 |
| F-i-G | lcuk, i've done that | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | ooer | 01:45 |
| F-i-G | It's happened a couple of times since yesterday | 01:45 |
| lcuk | is there anything unusual in top | 01:45 |
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| F-i-G | On top of what? | 01:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "top" as in program :p | 01:46 |
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| * lcuk giggles | 01:47 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i have to say, if you ever need to get drunk, go to oldham | 01:47 |
| RST38bis | too far! | 01:48 |
| F-i-G | oh | 01:48 |
| F-i-G | no | 01:48 |
| F-i-G | I don't know how to have apps automatically boot | 01:48 |
| F-i-G | everything seems to be working now | 01:48 |
| F-i-G | I got my gizmo account setup | 01:49 |
| F-i-G | pretty sweet | 01:49 |
| F-i-G | better than skype | 01:49 |
| F-i-G | caller id etc | 01:49 |
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| RST38bis | anybody else got mail from Quim abbout the berlin fforum? | 01:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Kegetys, I dump to the N800 with USB host. | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mercury, no PDFs, few images. | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just lots and lots of ebooks | 02:23 |
| BULLE | GeneralAntilles: if ebooks more or less is the only thing, why not use a proper ebook reader instead of an n800 ? | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | BULLE, read the scrollback | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Movies, maps, music, game data, etc. | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, ebook readers are some majorly lame shit. | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | I've never seen an ebook reader :-) | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're huge, and they can't do anything. | 02:26 |
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| ShadowJK | can you just put .pdf or .ps on an sd card and they'll display it? | 02:26 |
| BULLE | ShadowJK: thats the general idea yes | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me know when one of those "proper" readers can do anywhere near what my N800 can. | 02:27 |
| BULLE | and the ones i have seen are far from huge, more like a small softback book | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | My tablet is a laptop replacement | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I do everything with it that you might do with a laptop | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means I need lots of storage. | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | BULLE, huge compared to the N800. | 02:27 |
| BULLE | ShadowJK: the main gain with them is that their screens are realy way better then an lcd, for freading | 02:27 |
| ShadowJK | N810 is like a small book... | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and definitely not pocketable. | 02:27 |
| BULLE | GeneralAntilles: depends on the model you buy | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | and they're much bigger than a mass market paperback. | 02:28 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: What format ebooks do you go for? | 02:28 |
| BULLE | GeneralAntilles: not all models | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | HTML/RTF/TXT | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | BULLE, every model I've seen. | 02:28 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: Compressed? | 02:28 |
| BULLE | ShadowJK: also, they dont use any current basicly, other then when redrawing the screen | 02:28 |
| BULLE | ShadowJK: so battery life is measured in number of page redraws, and not in time | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mercury, no, I don't feel like playing that game. | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader may have added integrated zip support | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | at some point | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they didn't have it way back when | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm not really concerned about the ~500MB I might save. | 02:29 |
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| ShadowJK | I used to use my laptop to read books. Good old IBM PS/Note. i386 @ 25Mhz (but I usually had it at 12 for reading stuff). Backlight was broken but the black/white LCD was readable under a light | 02:30 |
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| BULLE | ShadowJK: the ebook thingies doesnt even use an lcd screen, so its like reading from paper, eg works great in the sun and so on | 02:30 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: Ah, FBReader has intergrated zip support, oeb/epub support, and a few others. | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too much additional work for compression. | 02:31 |
| Mercury | GeneralAntilles: The uncompressed bit explains how you use so much more space for ebooks then I do. :) | 02:31 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo, local variable code complete; type information; pretty icons and filter-as-you-type in Valable: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203154#post207421 | 02:31 |
| Mercury | BULLE: And absolutely horrible for my uses, I demand a backlight, but you may differ. :) | 02:32 |
| F-i-G | There's 3 mail clients for maemo right? | 02:32 |
| BULLE | Mercury: i find them absolutely lovely, for reading books, not that good, for anything else =D | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like reading in bed in the dark | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't do that with an ebook reader. | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like reading and being able to bounce around between web and IRC/IM, too. | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also can't do that with an ebook reader. | 02:33 |
| BULLE | well, web access are in some, but havent seen anyone with im irc functionality | 02:34 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, didn't olpc have backlight-less mode? | 02:34 |
| darkip | any idea what's going on with maemo extras? | 02:34 |
| darkip | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 02:34 |
| darkip | big 'ol error messages | 02:35 |
| ShadowJK | programmability automatically means someone will write irc client, it seems it's among the first things people write :) | 02:35 |
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| F-i-G | maemo extras repo down? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, ebook readers aren't tiny Linux machines. | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something weird with the Packages list. | 02:36 |
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| F-i-G | General, are you getting that too? | 02:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Everybody's getting it. | 02:45 |
| darkip | +1 to that | 02:45 |
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| zanshin | I'm trying to boot debian on a N770 with a N8x0. I managed to get it running manually, but Xomap won't start. Is there some info on Xomap on the N770? | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/N770/770/g | 02:46 |
| zanshin | ty | 02:47 |
| skibur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWiRiFlW24w | 02:54 |
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| darkip | heh, i only realised that the other day too | 02:57 |
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| t_s_o | move what? | 03:06 |
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| jshute_ | anyone having issues with URL = http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 03:12 |
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| jshute_ | it get ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved - The following error was encountered: * Access Denied. Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | jshute_, topic. . . . | 03:13 |
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| jshute_ | got it | 03:14 |
| jshute_ | just say the comment | 03:14 |
| jshute_ | topic | 03:14 |
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| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | tablets-dev is down (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3500), no we don't have a mirror | Extras is broken (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3502)" | 03:16 | |
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| lcuk | gnite chan | 03:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I love people who claim Nokia announced certain features, but can't manage to back up those (false) claims. | 03:55 |
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| AStorm | Nokia announced nothing afaik | 03:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, yes, dumbass "journalists" read "Bluetooth headset support" as "Bluetooth headphone support". | 04:03 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 04:04 |
| AStorm | what is the difference, really? | 04:04 |
| AStorm | different BT protocol? | 04:04 |
| AStorm | headset usually consists of headphone and microphone | 04:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | headset would be HSP | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Headphone would be A2DP | 04:05 |
| AStorm | not exactly, but sure | 04:05 |
| AStorm | different quality | 04:05 |
| AStorm | still wondering why headphones don't support HSP ;P | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't know that "headphone" is a2dp and "headset" is hsp, but I know what a2dp and hsp are... | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | why can't they use terms that are defined, instead of vague words :-( | 04:06 |
| ShadowJK | Does anyone know if there's a site anywhere that could tell me what bluetooth chip is used in various devices, like in various nokia phones? | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, they do. | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just at 8KHz | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | I want a CSR in my next phone, because everything else is, in my experience, garbage. | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Bluetooth headset is well defined. | 04:07 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: oh shi- :> | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're targeting it at people that aren't familiar with acronym soup. | 04:08 |
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| AStorm | 8kHz? that's not good enough for anything | 04:08 |
| AStorm | including headsets ;P | 04:08 |
| AStorm | what were they thinking?! | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the media. | 04:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and consumers. | 04:08 |
| AStorm | we could use A2DP support, yes | 04:09 |
| AStorm | what are the obstacles? | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | HSP is 8KHz | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | for voice | 04:09 |
| AStorm | it's not enough for voice | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | for shit cellphones that don't have the horsepower to encode 44.1 for voice conversations | 04:09 |
| AStorm | real voice needs 16 kHz | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's plenty | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you used a Bluetooth headset? | 04:09 |
| AStorm | yes, suck | 04:09 |
| AStorm | :> | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're fine | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | consider narrowband amr... | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can understand what people are saying. | 04:10 |
| AStorm | my old analogue phone was better | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | or whatever the voice runs over on gsm | 04:10 |
| AStorm | understand is not good enough | 04:10 |
| AStorm | I don't want to strain at it ;P | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Matter of opinion. | 04:10 |
| AStorm | try talking with a child | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Millions of people use Bluetooth headsets just fine. | 04:10 |
| AStorm | :) | 04:10 |
| AStorm | if it's 8kHz analog, then it's ok | 04:11 |
| AStorm | (that is, 16 kHz digital) | 04:11 |
| AStorm | AKA wideband voice | 04:11 |
| AStorm | maybe some sound reconstruction technique could help, but it's fake anyway ;P | 04:12 |
| AStorm | what we need is less crummy cell phones | 04:12 |
| AStorm | nad still, what is the obstacle vs A2DP in n8x0? | 04:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good DSP support. | 04:13 |
| AStorm | hm, well, Nokia could do that quickly if they wanted | 04:13 |
| AStorm | they have coders and docs | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and gstreamer support | 04:13 |
| AStorm | and experience too | 04:13 |
| AStorm | gstreamer? can't they just do ALSA? | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Working around Nokia's closed stuff is a big blocker | 04:13 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: indeed it is | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, lardman has pretty much gotten the DSP stuff going. | 04:14 |
| AStorm | esp. buggy dsp watchdog | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you can't use it with Media player. | 04:14 |
| AStorm | I gave up | 04:14 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: you can't use ALSA output with Media Player? | 04:14 |
| AStorm | huhwha? | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something along those lines. | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure of the exact details | 04:14 |
| AStorm | uhm, you could route esd to some other output | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could really give two shits about A2DP. ;) | 04:14 |
| AStorm | or even have sound played directly | 04:15 |
| AStorm | gst has ALSA support | 04:15 |
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| AStorm | although we'd need accelerated dmix too | 04:15 |
| AStorm | or cpu would burn | 04:15 |
| AStorm | (assuming esd is, if it's not, we're safe?) | 04:15 |
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| jott | temporary fix for repository.maemo.org -> add "62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org" to /etc/hosts | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That'd be stage.maemo.org? | 04:23 |
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| jott | yes | 04:24 |
| jott | tablets-dev was moved somewhere else as it seems. | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | I don't get it, stage.maemo.org already resolves to that IP? | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why didn't they propagate the DNS BEFORE they moved. | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and keep the old server up while the propagation occurred. | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | amateur hour | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | They really need to figure out what it's going to take to not have downtime every 2 weeks. . . . | 04:29 |
| jott | hire more (capable) people? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like a lot of it is communication. . . . | 04:30 |
| skibur | if a file doesn't have an extension, how can I pass this using wget? | 04:31 |
| skibur | I have alot of files that have no extensions on an http server ex log1 log2 log3 ..... logN How can I pass these using wget? | 04:32 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah well, big company "connecting people", you know ;) | 04:32 |
| AStorm | skibur: wget doesn't add any extension AFAICR | 04:32 |
| jott | skibur: for i in $(seq 1 10); do wget http://foo.bar/log$i; done ? | 04:33 |
| skibur | hum.... | 04:34 |
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| jott | not sure what you are after .... | 04:35 |
| skibur | great | 04:37 |
| skibur | that worked | 04:37 |
| skibur | thanks | 04:37 |
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| befr0d|N810 | jott, would you mind giving me the link again? | 04:54 |
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| jott | befr0d|N810: http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.14-4_armel.deb | 04:55 |
| mefistofeles | wtf | 04:55 |
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| jott | haha | 04:56 |
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| befr0d|N810 | jott, unable to install, unmet depencencies | 04:59 |
| befr0d|N810 | I'm still using chinook | 04:59 |
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| buckminst | Just to be friendly though, hello everyone. New N810 user, love the maemo system and appreciate all of the maemo developers' hard work ^_^ | 05:00 |
| jott | befr0d|N810: oh.. | 05:00 |
| jott | befr0d|N810: have you a sdk setup? | 05:00 |
| jott | befr0d|N810: otherwise you have to wait a bit until we release a new version... | 05:01 |
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| jott | befr0d|N810: you could also dpkg --force-depends -i ...... :> | 05:02 |
| jott | hm | 05:02 |
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| jott | befr0d|N810: you could also dpkg --force-depends -i ...... :> | 05:02 |
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| befr0d|N810 | jott, ok, let me try it | 05:05 |
| jott | befr0d|N810: better remove (dpkg -r advanced-backlight) it before installation, this will force a reload of the plugin.. | 05:06 |
| jott | befr0d|N810: i'm off now. you could always ask people with an chinook sdk to build it for you. it's all in svn :) | 05:07 |
| befr0d|N810 | thanks jott | 05:09 |
| befr0d|N810 | night. | 05:09 |
| derf | rm_you: I've started working on it. | 05:16 |
| derf | Did some today, will do more tomorrow. | 05:16 |
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| robink | Found out why Epiphany built against WebKit isn't storing my cookie's. | 05:26 |
| robink | Epiphany is relying on WebKit's cookie management system to store the cookies on disk which it doesn't do yet. | 05:26 |
| robink | s/\'// | 05:26 |
| robink | Wow, embarrassing typo. | 05:26 |
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| callahad | Er, I'm new to the Maemo community. Are infrastructure breakages a la tablets-dev and Extras common? | 05:46 |
| pupnik | slightly more common than one would like | 05:47 |
| pupnik | maybe a few times lsat year, not sure | 05:47 |
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| callahad | hm. that's unfortunate. Is there the possibility of coordinating mirroring with Nokia so we don't have that single point of failure? | 05:49 |
| johnx | mirroring might be a tricky issue because the stuff on tablets-dev isn't "free as in speech" and actually has a click through license | 05:55 |
| callahad | hence the need to coordinate with Nokia :) | 05:55 |
| johnx | I don't think that managers higher up the chain would want people mirroring stuff. and I don't think that their engineers would be able to say "go ahead" if we asked them | 05:57 |
| johnx | callahad, you could always ask I guess | 05:57 |
| callahad | I think I'll lurk in the community a little longer before I try to nip at the heels of the big N :) | 05:57 |
| johnx | nah, nip at them all you want :) | 05:58 |
| johnx | they generally take it well | 05:58 |
| callahad | Glad to hear it. They have some seriously cool hardware, and it seems to be supporting a rather amicable community too. | 05:59 |
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| * robink removes the N810 Diablo image binary from his webserver. | 06:04 | |
| callahad | robink: speaking of firmware, what the name of the diablo image? (or just a glob-syntax to match it?) I should have a copy on my Windows partition somewhere (used the Tablet Update Wizard), but I'm not sure where to look, or what to look for. | 06:08 |
| robink | callahad: The name on my system is RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin . When you pull it from the webserver it has a comma at the end (RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,) | 06:08 |
| robink | callahad: That's the image for the N810 (RX-44). There may also be a newer image, the one on my system is a little over a week old. | 06:09 |
| callahad | robink: Thanks -- ./me fires off a find | 06:10 |
| callahad | Ooh, there's a RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM[1].bin | 06:10 |
| robink | How big is it? | 06:10 |
| robink | Mine is 129,103,249 bytes. | 06:11 |
| robink | md5sum is 589056ea3c725f12e211e401b7c953db | 06:11 |
| callahad | yep, the same md5 | 06:12 |
| robink | Yeah, I'd say it's legit then. | 06:12 |
| callahad | So, your is current, at least as of Thursday | 06:12 |
| robink | Yay | 06:12 |
| callahad | Hooray for Temporary Internet Files/Content.IE5/1QKN9XW3! | 06:13 |
| robink | lol | 06:13 |
| callahad | (I shall never flash in Windows again) | 06:13 |
| robink | I have a friend who had to boot into Linux to flash his N800 (he's a Mac guy). | 06:13 |
| robink | I dual-boot and always flash with Linux (I don't trust Windows' USB stack). | 06:14 |
| callahad | I couldn't decide if I trusted linux and a third party flasher or windows and the Nokia wizard more | 06:15 |
| robink | ah | 06:15 |
| callahad | (given that the device was 12 hours old at the time) | 06:15 |
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| johnx | it's pretty unlikely to brick the device during a reflash | 06:21 |
| johnx | AFAIK, there aren't any documented cases of that actually happening | 06:21 |
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| robink | johnx: I've bricked a device by attempting an apt-get distupgrade. | 06:40 |
| johnx | robink, so it's completely dead and could never be used again as anything except a brick? | 06:41 |
| robink | johnx: No, so that it was in a reboot loop until I reflashed it. | 06:42 |
| robink | I probably could've repaired it if I knew what I was doing, but I didn't. | 06:43 |
| johnx | bricked means "permanently dead" (sometimes with the caveat that it could be fixed by replacing hardware or using JTAG) | 06:43 |
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| johnx | if it can be fixed with software it's not bricked | 06:43 |
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| johnx | though the term does seem to be applied much more generally these days... | 06:46 |
| callahad | current usage seems to mean more along the lines of "temporarily rendered inoperable" | 06:48 |
| callahad | I blame the iPhone. | 06:49 |
| johnx | heh | 06:49 |
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| johnx | it's like saying "Yeah, Jim was dead. They had to yell at him before he woke up." | 06:49 |
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| robink | johnx: Gotcha | 07:10 |
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| F-i-G | hey | 07:51 |
| F-i-G | anyone know why comix might not be running for me? | 07:51 |
| johnx | F-i-G, have you tried launching it from x terminal? | 07:52 |
| F-i-G | no | 07:55 |
| F-i-G | sudo comix? | 07:55 |
| F-i-G | is that the command? | 07:55 |
| johnx | shouldn't need sudo | 07:55 |
| johnx | try just "comix" | 07:55 |
| F-i-G | ok | 07:55 |
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| F-i-G | decoder zip not available is what it says | 07:56 |
| F-i-G | IOError | 07:56 |
| F-i-G | and some other shit before it | 07:56 |
| johnx | can you post the whole message to pastebin? | 07:57 |
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| F-i-G | ya | 08:01 |
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| F-i-G | posted | 08:02 |
| F-i-G | zfigz is my name | 08:03 |
| johnx | k | 08:03 |
| johnx | I would try to install zip if I were you | 08:03 |
| johnx | not sure if it will help | 08:04 |
| F-i-G | i have unzip | 08:04 |
| johnx | I'll try to install comix and see if I can figure it out | 08:04 |
| johnx | I do want to use it anyways | 08:04 |
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| johnx | I'll tell you if I find anything out, but it might be later today | 08:04 |
| F-i-G | ya, i downloaded a load of comics | 08:05 |
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| c0d3h4ck | hi | 08:29 |
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| c0d3h4ck | I have one question. | 08:31 |
| c0d3h4ck | Where can I browse DBUS objects references of maemo? | 08:31 |
| c0d3h4ck | I need to get remain capacity of battery. | 08:32 |
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| rm_you| | heyhey | 08:50 |
| GAN800 | heyheyhey | 08:51 |
| rm_you| | anyone on who has dealt with travel stuff for maemo summit already? I'm not quite certain whether I'm supposed to be making my own plane reservations and sending details to the email they gave us, or whether i send info and THEY make the reservations? | 08:51 |
| oilinki | btw. what was the command I should use to launch applications from the command line? | 08:51 |
| GAN800 | People have really been spamming the logo submission page. | 08:53 |
| oilinki | wrapper/launcher | 08:53 |
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| oilinki | with diablo | 09:06 |
| robink | oooo, a ipv6 hostname...maybe I should connect to weber.freenode.net | 09:06 |
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| oilinki | ok. found it. run-standalone.sh :) | 09:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:37 |
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| oilinki | could some share their hildon-application-manager.list file for diablo? | 09:38 |
| GAN800 | Hey, Jaffa. | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | c0d3h4ck: if you have diablo you can browse it through HAL | 09:44 |
| c0d3h4ck | Stskeeps, thank you for your help | 09:45 |
| c0d3h4ck | Stskeeps, Is HAL a program? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | c0d3h4ck: hardware abstraction layer daemon | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | lshal | grep battery | 09:47 |
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| c0d3h4ck | Stskeeps, oh..thank you | 09:48 |
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| GNUton | morning | 09:49 |
| c0d3h4ck | Stskeeps, I solved the problem by your virtue. | 09:51 |
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| callahad | So, if I were to reflash right about now (I have a cached firmware), what issues would I hit? Just the missing Extras, right? | 10:27 |
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| zap | damnit, everything breaked this night | 10:32 |
| timeless | eh? | 10:32 |
| zap | first I was kicked from internets, now extras | 10:33 |
| timeless | the fireworks here in vancouver worksforme | 10:33 |
| callahad | hah! | 10:33 |
| zap | my wired internet is broken, I use gprs now | 10:33 |
| zap | just to find that extras is broken | 10:34 |
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| zap | anybody knows how to register a mime type so that filemanager will show a icon for it? | 10:37 |
| zap | Registering a mime type per se is not a problem | 10:37 |
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| * RST38h lways had that suspicions that "technology analysts" with solid british looking names are just a bunch of sbstancmoo | 10:50 | |
| RST38h | shit | 10:50 |
| RST38h | it was supposed to be just moo | 10:51 |
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| kpel | hi all | 11:04 |
| rm_you| | anyone on who has dealt with travel stuff for maemo summit already? I'm not quite certain whether I'm supposed to be making my own plane reservations and sending details to the email they gave us, or whether i send info and THEY make the reservations? | 11:08 |
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| Jaffa | rm_you|: you can either book them yourself on a budget airline, or contact Nokia's travel agent for them to arrane & book them. | 11:16 |
| rm_you| | alright so if i fill out that little form thing and email it to the people with dates, that means THEY will take care of it | 11:17 |
| rm_you| | ? | 11:17 |
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| rm_you| | well, i will do that in the morning then. Night :) | 11:19 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you :) | 11:19 |
| rm_you| | ah johnx :P | 11:19 |
| rm_you| | so i got in, as you prolly noticed :) woo | 11:19 |
| rm_you| | anyways, night | 11:19 |
| johnx | very cool rm_you :) | 11:19 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | So, gpe contacts says it has a malformed database | 11:22 |
| Spaceman-N810 | What do i do? | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: did you solve your boot problem yet? i just ran into it myself :P | 11:26 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, nope, I tried redoing my install as ext3 from the start, but your dependence on "n810-slideout-kbd-xmodmap" is tripping me up :) | 11:27 |
| johnx | it should be far enough to boot | 11:27 |
| johnx | I'll start the troubleshooting process :) | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, else just chroot in, apt-get install nit-env-stskeeps and see what happens, and tell me the error | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | the build errors aren't so bad anymore | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | i had it happen with ext3 too btw | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | which bugs the hell out of me :) | 11:30 |
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| * Stskeeps swears at linux | 11:59 | |
| Stskeeps | just tell me why the bloody filesystem is busy | 11:59 |
| callahad | lsof? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | i would think so too, yes, but it doesnt do the trick | 12:00 |
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| lbt | morning | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm not sure how, but dpkg -i initfs-devices*.deb from nit-repository seemed to fix the issue | 12:20 |
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| Addison | Greetings all! :) | 12:37 |
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| Addison | Any brainiacs from Smartron 5 still conscious here? I've got one bastard of a question for ya. *lol* | 12:40 |
| lbt | after careful consideration of your perfectly expressed question I conclude that the answer is "don't do that then". | 12:43 |
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| Addison | I haven't done anything, I don't think. Hence the question. :) | 12:43 |
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| lbt | oh, *that* question.... well, using my remote irc identification skillz I shall identify you, teleport myself to your house, examine your garbage and deduce the question from careful observation of your family and pets since you appear incapable of doing anything but tell us you have one.... | 12:45 |
| Addison | Yikes. Am I in a bad mood or am I picking up some negative weirdness from somewhere? | 12:46 |
| lbt | just ask the question | 12:47 |
| Addison | Looking to achieve IBMgraphics through Xterm or whatever is possible on the tablet. | 12:47 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22292 | 12:47 |
| lbt | ah, a question :) | 12:48 |
| Addison | Yep! Can I get a witness? *lol* | 12:48 |
| Addison | I've got Putty, Roxterm, and Xterm. None of which is capable, I don't think, of having any other coding besides UTF-8 when using Telnet. | 12:49 |
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| Addison | Which means I'm stuck using DECgraphics, which isn't all that bad, but it could be better. Am I making any sense on this? | 12:50 |
| lbt | yes | 12:50 |
| Addison | Thank you lbt. Honesty! :) | 12:50 |
| lbt | firstly you need to see if any of your terminal emulators support the right codeset - then test them | 12:51 |
| lbt | then I'd see if the emulator works in a linux environment (ie a full build) | 12:52 |
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| lbt | (in case the NIT has a minimal build) | 12:52 |
| Addison | In Xterm, if I choose current encoding, I have the option of Unicode, Latin, Latin extended, East European, etc., but nothing that features cp 437 encoding. | 12:53 |
| lbt | right now you don't know if the problem is the terminal emulator, the telnet client, the telnet server or the nh server. | 12:53 |
| Addison | Well, you got that much right. I don't know anything. :) | 12:54 |
| lbt | so you need to methodically test each step | 12:55 |
| Addison | Is there a way to insert a new encoding into Xterm? | 12:55 |
| Addison | The problem is definitely the terminal emulator. I think I know about that much. | 12:55 |
| lbt | I'm not sure where encoding fits into the whole OS build | 12:56 |
| Addison | Yeah, I don't get it either. And no, I'm not talking about my sex life. *lol* | 12:56 |
| Addison | That's a whole separate issue with me. :) | 12:57 |
| lbt | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-9.html | 12:58 |
| Addison | Okay, I'm there lbt, exactly what am I looking at? | 12:58 |
| lbt | general info | 12:59 |
| Addison | Character sets perhaps? | 12:59 |
| lbt | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Terminals/gtermix-35427.shtml | 13:00 |
| Addison | I'm seeing this on that page "Here are some common 8-bit character sets. CP stands for Code Page character sets invented by IBM: CP-437" That's what I'm hoping to get through Xterm. | 13:00 |
| lbt | Additionally, IBM cp437 8-bit ASCII is supported as this is the standard for BBSes. | 13:00 |
| RST38h | addison: #1: your font must have necessary characters | 13:01 |
| Addison | I think I have the right font, just need for Xterm to respect it and use the right coding for it. The way it is right now, it treats everything I throw at it likes it is UTF-8 which isn't the case. | 13:02 |
| RST38h | #2: termcap/terminfo | 13:03 |
| RST38h | btw, if it does not start with 0x01 it is not utf8 | 13:03 |
| Addison | You're speaking gibberish to me RST. Do I type "termcap/terminfo" just like that into Xterm? | 13:04 |
| RST38h | no | 13:04 |
| RST38h | you go to google.com and type: termcap terminfo wiki and read what it finds | 13:04 |
| Addison | Okay. | 13:05 |
| zap | isn't latin1 == cp437 ? | 13:05 |
| RST38h | nope | 13:05 |
| RST38h | no frames and other graphics | 13:05 |
| RST38h | cp866 may work for him | 13:06 |
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| zap | that depends if he needs graphics chars or the extra latin glyphs :_) | 13:06 |
| Addison | I just need cp 437. I have no idea what that even means, just know that's what it takes to run Nethack using the IBMgraphics option. | 13:07 |
| Addison | God, I feel like such a tool asking this. | 13:07 |
| zap | aha | 13:07 |
| RST38h | zap: he does | 13:08 |
| zap | indeed there are no encodings in osso-xterm with graphics | 13:08 |
| lbt | Addison: this is what's known as a learning opportunity - it's an adventure, just like nethack... and google is where you play it... | 13:08 |
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| RST38h | zap: does 1251 still include those graphics? | 13:09 |
| zap | no | 13:09 |
| RST38h | or is it plain ascii? | 13:09 |
| Addison | Yeah, I know lbt. Just treat my ignorance like a game, like a wonderful adventure. *lol* | 13:09 |
| zap | afaik graphics is present only in CPXXX character sets | 13:10 |
| RST38h | he is out of luck then...on the other hand the latest port of mc does make use of frames on maemo | 13:10 |
| RST38h | so one of those charsets has the necessary characters | 13:10 |
| zap | it does that by using special vt102 escape sequences | 13:10 |
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| zap | vt102 has a special 'graphics charset' where normal latin chars are displayed as pseudographics | 13:11 |
| RST38h | oh | 13:11 |
| Addison | Can anyone understand this post? | 13:11 |
| zap | you can switch back and forth at any time | 13:11 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207395&postcount=2 | 13:11 |
| RST38h | cool, never knew about it | 13:12 |
| RST38h | ok, then things become simpler | 13:12 |
| RST38h | addison needs to set a translation table from 437 to vt102 escapes | 13:12 |
| zap | some xterm clones even have a graphics mode | 13:13 |
| zap | you may draw individual pixels by using escape sequences :) | 13:13 |
| jott | wasn't there some transcoding tools? | 13:13 |
| jott | ah filterm and konwert | 13:13 |
| RST38h | if I understand things correctly this can be done with termcap | 13:13 |
| zap | who will do the dynamic translation ? | 13:13 |
| zap | no | 13:13 |
| jott | zap: filterm/konwert do this | 13:13 |
| zap | hmm never heard | 13:14 |
| RST38h | zap: bk0010 had those sequences but somehow I doubt they were standard :) | 13:14 |
| zap | but its kind of a hack anyway :) | 13:14 |
| Addison | People please! Stop speaking in Sputnik! I'm a tard over here. I need simple, baby instructions on this. *lol* | 13:14 |
| zap | RST38: xterm sequences are simpler | 13:14 |
| jott | http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/IBMgraphics ah a nethack wiki itself offers some solutions ;) | 13:15 |
| RST38h | actually you can write your own conversion program and pipe output through it | 13:15 |
| zap | perhaps the easiest way is to patch osso-xterm to add the respective codepages | 13:15 |
| jott | RST38h: that's what filterm/konwert do | 13:16 |
| RST38h | patching xterm is never the easiest way | 13:16 |
| RST38h | better o what jott says | 13:16 |
| zap | why | 13:16 |
| zap | I'm going to enhance it anyway | 13:16 |
| zap | I have.too much complains about it | 13:17 |
| RST38h | zap: cause you need to get it from svn figure out how it works add code and then nobody will take your patches back | 13:17 |
| lbt | zap: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Terminals/gtermix-35427.shtml | 13:17 |
| zap | the encodings were a 3rd part patch afaik | 13:17 |
| lbt | I was going to do a port | 13:17 |
| lbt | but it's not in debian | 13:17 |
| RST38h | zap: Would appreciate it (especially vertical toolbar and way to hide/disable kbd) | 13:17 |
| zap | nokia picked them up | 13:17 |
| zap | rst38: those are already on my list | 13:18 |
| RST38h | zap: but historically acceptance rate wasnt good :( | 13:18 |
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| jott | hm there also seems to be "luit" according to the nethack wiki.. | 13:18 |
| zap | I see no problems with it as far as I can put it in extras :) | 13:19 |
| Addison | Yeah, I tried luit which I found but it Xterm doesn't seem to support that command. | 13:19 |
| zap | :)) | 13:19 |
| RST38h | zap: how about input method overlaying big transparent keyboard on top of the whole screen? | 13:19 |
| RST38h | ;) | 13:19 |
| zap | addison: thats a program you have to install | 13:19 |
| zap | rst38: I'll leave that as a homework to nokia :) | 13:20 |
| Addison | So I can install something so Xterm will accept the "luit" command? | 13:20 |
| RST38h | yes | 13:20 |
| zap | yes, install luit if you find it for n8xx | 13:20 |
| Addison | Okay. I'm searching google now. Thank you! | 13:21 |
| Addison | Oh crap, the first link in google was my own stupid post. :( | 13:21 |
| zap | you may also look into debian armel repository | 13:22 |
| jott | it's in x11-utils | 13:23 |
| Addison | I really wish that my N800 was a little more friendly instead of being such a piece that it is. *lol* | 13:24 |
| RST38h | you are asking for weird stuff | 13:25 |
| RST38h | so do not complain | 13:25 |
| zap | and you're getting weird solutions :) | 13:25 |
| jott | heh i doubt playing nethack was on the use-case list of nokia :) | 13:25 |
| zap | :)) | 13:25 |
| * zap would like to see nethack on pocketpc or symbian | 13:26 | |
| RST38h | me too | 13:26 |
| zap | not speaking of iphone | 13:26 |
| RST38h | actually I started porting angband to s60 but did not have time to finish | 13:26 |
| zap | you wrote your own terminal, heh :) | 13:27 |
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| RST38h | it should be doable now, given c startup released by nokia | 13:27 |
| RST38h | no it already has stdio | 13:27 |
| zap | and escape sequences? | 13:27 |
| RST38h | some | 13:28 |
| zap | games usually need many :) | 13:28 |
| RST38h | but angband does not need many | 13:28 |
| RST38h | we can thank java for stdio in symbian :) | 13:28 |
| RST38h | nokia had to add it because m@!";:#king J2ME requires it :) | 13:29 |
| Addison | Hey RST, did you catch my post? | 13:31 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11143&page=3 | 13:31 |
| Addison | Actually, sorry. This is it. | 13:31 |
| Addison | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194438&postcount=25 | 13:32 |
| Addison | Works perfect on my end. | 13:32 |
| RST38h | I have seen your post | 13:32 |
| Addison | That's not good enough for ya? | 13:32 |
| RST38h | I am on a phone though so cant copy and paste | 13:32 |
| Addison | I'm on java.freenode.net so copying and pasting is tough for me too. | 13:33 |
| RST38h | checking via latest-posts... | 13:33 |
| Addison | Here's the thing RST. I'm trying to play Nethack on Telnet using the same 7x13 graphics so the screen looks just like this... | 13:37 |
| Addison | http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7558/angbandxx3.png | 13:37 |
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| RST38h | I dont need to see png to understand that you want to play it in xterm using ibm graphics | 13:38 |
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| RST38h | it has been suggested that you use luit or a similar program | 13:39 |
| jott | RST38h: he shows off angband on the nits :) | 13:39 |
| RST38h | ah | 13:39 |
| RST38h | I have seen that - it needs hacked xterm | 13:39 |
| Addison | Is there a simple download for a hacked xterm then? | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Ran it on my nit but it is all screwed with a standard xterm | 13:39 |
| RST38h | no | 13:39 |
| RST38h | but search itt forums for it | 13:40 |
| Addison | Search for "hacked xterm"? | 13:40 |
| RST38h | may I suggest something addison? | 13:40 |
| Addison | Please. I'm dying over here. *lol* | 13:40 |
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| BULLE | does the openvpn package form chinook work in diable ? ( as there doesnt seem to be an openvpn package in the diablo repository ) | 13:41 |
| RST38h | F@ck xterm. There is a graphical port of nethack for nits. | 13:42 |
| GreySim | Does anyone know if it's possible to access samba shares in OS 2008 through the terminal? | 13:42 |
| RST38h | Just install that port and play it. | 13:42 |
| jott | RST38h: i think he wants to play it online via telnet :P | 13:42 |
| RST38h | Graphucs are a bit cheesy but at least it does not require you to jump through loops | 13:42 |
| Addison | Sorry RST, but I really don't care for the port at all... All apologies to Joseph who ported it. | 13:43 |
| RST38h | jott: well, he will have to play it locally. It is not multiplayer version so no big deal | 13:43 |
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| RST38h | addison: why? | 13:44 |
| Addison | It's too much window scrolling and nonsense without a keyboard and poor use of the screen. | 13:44 |
| RST38h | umgh | 13:44 |
| Addison | Granted, it looks nice. | 13:44 |
| RST38h | well, there is a bit of that | 13:44 |
| jott | http://outpo.st/konwert_1.8-11.1_armel.deb and http://outpo.st/konwert-filters_1.8-11.1_all.deb | 13:45 |
| Blafasel | Another reason for playing online might be the urge to get on the scoreboard ;) | 13:45 |
| jott | then you can telnet nethack.alt.org | konwert cp437-utf8 | 13:45 |
| lbt | you do all know that it works fine remotely with DECgraphics | 13:45 |
| lbt | as Addison knows... | 13:45 |
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| Addison | Yeah, it works perfect with DECgraphics. No complaints on that. | 13:45 |
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| lbt | GreySim: do you know about mount? | 13:46 |
| Addison | I'm just trying to kick it old school with IBMgraphics, that's all. | 13:46 |
| jott | Addison: just install the both packages above | 13:46 |
| Addison | That was for me? Thank you! | 13:46 |
| GreySim | lbt: Yes, but the mount commands I've tried have all failed. | 13:47 |
| lbt | have you seen http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs | 13:47 |
| lbt | I know there's a mount wizard app | 13:47 |
| lbt | that does it for you | 13:47 |
| lbt | and then you can access the mount from the cli | 13:48 |
| lbt | or do you just want the cli mount command? | 13:48 |
| GreySim | Oh, I'll give that a go. It doesn't have to be cli. Thanks. Hopefully that'll work. | 13:48 |
| Addison | Okay jott, I downloaded both of them to my desktop on my computer. Do I just transfer those to my tablet and install them? | 13:48 |
| jott | Addison: yes, just get root and "dpkg -i konwert*.deb" in the right directory | 13:49 |
| Addison | I need a copy and paste command jott. Sorry, I'm a little stupid on my end to understand much. *lol* | 13:50 |
| RST38h | jott: tell him to install from app manager | 13:50 |
| Addison | I do have root though since I have easyroot installed. | 13:50 |
| GreySim | Bleh, complains about missing dependencies. Really wish I knew how the file manager was using samba. | 13:52 |
| jott | RST38h: i never used appmanager (only once :P) | 13:53 |
| RST38h | jott: ah | 13:54 |
| Addison | Appmanager is newbie friendliness. How could you not use that? | 13:54 |
| RST38h | addison: anyway transfer both debs to you tablet and then use install from file option in app manager menu | 13:55 |
| jott | Addison: i used debian way before the nits ;) | 13:55 |
| Addison | Okay, I'll try that right now. | 13:55 |
| RST38h | and I will go sleep and watch .lt countryside | 13:55 |
| jott | ah you also need to install bash2 from extras | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | why does he need bash though? | 13:56 |
| jott | because this konwert apparently uses bash scripts as i just realized... | 13:57 |
| jott | just tested it on my desktop ;) | 13:57 |
| jott | but now it seems to work with osso-xterm. | 13:58 |
| RST38h | oh | 13:58 |
| Addison | Okay, I got konwert filters install, but with the other konwert file it said I was missing "perl". | 13:59 |
| jott | arg.. zap you did the bash package? | 13:59 |
| jott | then you need to install perl :P | 13:59 |
| jott | damn what a crap tool :) | 13:59 |
| jott | but it works as it seems ;) | 14:00 |
| Addison | What did you call me jott? *lol* | 14:00 |
| Addison | You called me a crap tool didn't you? :) | 14:00 |
| jott | hah | 14:00 |
| Addison | So how do I get the .deb file "konwert_1.8-11.1_armel.deb" to work? Like were do I download perl from? | 14:01 |
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| jott | hmmm.. i tought i where in the standard repositories.. but it apparently isn't... | 14:03 |
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| Addison | You tought? Hey, maybe you should start typing with your feet... You probably would make better sense to me that way. :) | 14:04 |
| jott | hehe | 14:04 |
| jott | thought :P | 14:04 |
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| Binky | Hi | 14:06 |
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| Binky | Can anyone here solve my troubles? | 14:07 |
| Addison | Well, I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness over here right now. I need to rest my gentle head. Thanks for the help but I need to stop for tonight. | 14:07 |
| sp3000 | oho | 14:07 |
| Addison | Have a good one all and thanks again for the help Jott! | 14:07 |
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| Veggen | Binky: not unless you tell us what they are. ;) | 14:08 |
| sp3000 | plötzlich habe ich ein Bahnhofsuhr bekommen | 14:08 |
| sp3000 | it's not being localized though :P | 14:08 |
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| Binky | Veggen, ok. Maemo recorder is the frst. If ii push the recording button it says: Stopped and won't let mu | 14:09 |
| Binky | Let me record anything* | 14:09 |
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| Veggen | sound generally works, does it? | 14:12 |
| Binky | Yes | 14:12 |
| Binky | Except I do no notice anymore the sound when you close or open an app, that "uhhhnnn". | 14:13 |
| jott | is there actually a system to vote off packages from extras or force them to be reviewed? | 14:13 |
| Binky | jott, can that be considered a bug? | 14:14 |
| Veggen | Binky: hmm...maybe something is locking the sound device? | 14:15 |
| Binky | I don't think so, i can listen to music and watch videos with no problem | 14:16 |
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| Binky | Well, i can try to reinstall it but... That's not the main problem. I'd also like to ask about Maemo sketch tool. It saves drawings in .sketch.png files. But is there any way to open .jpg, .png, .tif or .bmp files on it? | 14:18 |
| zap | no | 14:21 |
| jott | zap: would you please make the bash2 package sane | 14:21 |
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| zap | what you mean sane? | 14:21 |
| jott | i.e. do NOT touch anything in /root or /home/user and NOT change the default shell without asking | 14:22 |
| Veggen | Binky: hmm. No idea on any of the problems, myself. | 14:22 |
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| jott | and NOT modify the prompt.. | 14:22 |
| zap | it does not touch anything in /home and /root | 14:22 |
| zap | if you don't like the prompt, disable it in /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh | 14:23 |
| zap | thats very easy, I assure you | 14:23 |
| jott | it changes /root/.bashrc | 14:23 |
| Binky | Veggen, it's fun. I uninstalled it, but now i can't install it ^^ | 14:23 |
| jott | zap: sure it is easier and saner if YOU enable it if you like it | 14:23 |
| Veggen | Binky: what does it say in the log? | 14:23 |
| jott | not remove it | 14:24 |
| zap | jott: its not a geek-only package | 14:24 |
| jott | it breaks stuff | 14:24 |
| zap | its a end-user thing | 14:24 |
| jott | it is bad | 14:24 |
| zap | what it breaks | 14:24 |
| jott | it does unpredictable things | 14:25 |
| zap | what's unpredictable? it changes its own config files? | 14:25 |
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| jott | it changes /root/.bashrc, it changes the default shell without asking, it modifies the prompt | 14:26 |
| jott | bad, bad, bad | 14:26 |
| zap | I suppose if you installed bash, you want to use it as shell | 14:26 |
| jott | no | 14:26 |
| jott | there are scripts that need bash | 14:27 |
| zap | you use a different shell? | 14:27 |
| jott | yes i use zsh on the device | 14:27 |
| zap | well I would suppose you're a marginal case | 14:27 |
| jott | no | 14:27 |
| jott | ask a debian package maintainer if what you did would be right | 14:28 |
| zap | but I can check first the shell to be /bin/sh | 14:28 |
| zap | debian is not maemo | 14:28 |
| jott | yes, sure but that is no reason to make broken packages | 14:28 |
| zap | it is not broken, it works for everybody except you | 14:29 |
| jott | no | 14:29 |
| zap | you're the first to complain | 14:29 |
| jott | so, fix it please ;) | 14:30 |
| Binky | Veggen, it does not appear in the 'Install new apps' list | 14:30 |
| zap | I will think about it | 14:30 |
| Veggen | not in mine either ;) | 14:30 |
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| zap | but it would be good if you would state first what exactly it breaks | 14:30 |
| jott | it changes /root/.bashrc, it changes the default shell without asking, it modifies the prompt | 14:31 |
| jott | i said already | 14:31 |
| zap | you're not using bash | 14:31 |
| zap | as a shell | 14:31 |
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| zap | so prormpt is not a big deal for you | 14:31 |
| jott | that is not the point | 14:31 |
| zap | right? | 14:31 |
| zap | omg | 14:31 |
| jott | it changes /etc/profile to load /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh | 14:32 |
| zap | all bash packages I know do that | 14:32 |
| zap | thats a standard feature | 14:32 |
| jott | uh?! | 14:32 |
| zap | look into your /etc | 14:33 |
| zap | on pc | 14:33 |
| zap | you'll find profile.d ther | 14:33 |
| zap | and it's not me who installed it there for you | 14:33 |
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| zap | so please learn bash first properly, and then complain | 14:34 |
| jott | you put prompt.sh in there | 14:34 |
| zap | I do | 14:34 |
| jott | just look at debians postinst and tell me where they do thinks like you do | 14:34 |
| zap | I thought making it a separate package would be a bit of overkill | 14:35 |
| zap | ubuntu has a colored prompt | 14:36 |
| zap | just that its disabled by default | 14:36 |
| jott | and it is not set for all shells that load profile.d but in /etc/bash.bashrc | 14:37 |
| zap | you dont use bash anyway | 14:37 |
| jott | thats where bash specific stuff goes to | 14:37 |
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| zap | on redhat systems its a standard feature for lots of yearws | 14:37 |
| zap | even for zsh | 14:37 |
| zap | or csh | 14:37 |
| zap | or whatever | 14:37 |
| zap | on ubuntu its also enabled | 14:38 |
| jott | setting PS1 with some bash specific control codes for all shells? | 14:38 |
| zap | no | 14:38 |
| zap | thats my bad | 14:38 |
| jott | that's what you do | 14:38 |
| jott | hence broken | 14:38 |
| zap | does zsh prompt get messed? | 14:38 |
| jott | sure | 14:38 |
| zap | ok so its my fault | 14:38 |
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| Binky | Veggen, what IT do you have? | 14:39 |
| zap | you could start from it | 14:39 |
| Veggen | n810. | 14:39 |
| Binky | Oh... | 14:39 |
| zap | zsh is bourne shell compatible? | 14:39 |
| jott | i know i can fix it, it is trivial. but i don't want arbitrary packages to change system settings without asking | 14:39 |
| Veggen | Binky: from the downloads page, I see that maemo recorder is in chinook extras. there is a one-click install file there. | 14:39 |
| jott | and also the busybox shell does not support your prompt.. | 14:40 |
| Binky | For what os does Chinook stands for? | 14:40 |
| zap | jott I've designed the package as a drop-in replacement for busybox sh | 14:40 |
| jott | that why bash stuff goes to /etc/bash.bashrc | 14:40 |
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| zap | I still wonder why you need bash | 14:42 |
| zap | if zsh is bourney shell compatible | 14:42 |
| zap | you can run same scripts | 14:43 |
| jott | because i just had a tool that had around 100 bash script... (#!/bin/bash) | 14:43 |
| jott | still, no matter what, messing around like this is really bad. | 14:44 |
| zap | I will change the prompt only for bash | 14:45 |
| zap | but /root/.bashrc is really a leftover | 14:46 |
| jott | still no reason for a package to touch it | 14:46 |
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| zap | I would be glad if it would not be present in.diablo image | 14:46 |
| jott | if i set my own bash prompt locally in .bashrc it will remove it. | 14:46 |
| zap | but it contains a command that breaks prompt.sh | 14:46 |
| zap | it will comment it out | 14:47 |
| jott | thanks | 14:47 |
| jott | but | 14:47 |
| zap | but 8 again can check if its in default state | 14:47 |
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| jott | that would be a little bit better. but i still doubt it is sane to touch user files at all | 14:47 |
| zap | does zsh executute .bashrc as well? | 14:48 |
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| zap | also | 14:49 |
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| zap | zsh loads /etc/profile only in sh-compatible mode, or always | 14:50 |
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| jott | zap: no zsh does not load .bashrc | 14:52 |
| jott | and there is $BASH to check if you are running bash | 14:53 |
| jott | and there are more shells than zsh | 14:53 |
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| zap | zsh proposes me to mess with my config files on first invocation :\ | 14:56 |
| jott | yes it asks you if it should do it | 14:56 |
| zap | will it be ok to do the same in bash? | 14:57 |
| jott | it does not change your bash prompt to something not working | 14:57 |
| jott | sure, if it is done right | 14:57 |
| jott | and dont change the shell in postinst | 14:57 |
| RST38h | yawn | 14:57 |
| jott | i don't want to fear breaking my system when some minor update of bash2 comes in.. | 14:58 |
| zap | just put [ -z "$BASH" ] && continue at top of prompt.sh | 14:58 |
| jott | everyone who wants to use bash should be able to invoke chsh .. | 14:59 |
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| RST38h | tcsh rules. bash sucks. flame mode on. | 14:59 |
| zap | everyone who changes their prompt should be able to remove a # | 14:59 |
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| jott | zap: but i don't want to do this after every minor package update! | 15:00 |
| * zap looks | 15:00 | |
| zap | indeed, my bad | 15:00 |
| zap | it should be done only when you install it the very first time | 15:01 |
| zap | I forgot to put a check | 15:01 |
| jott | just let the user decide what shell he wants to use | 15:01 |
| jott | don't change it at all | 15:02 |
| zap | I'll check for /bin/sh | 15:02 |
| jott | maybe he wants to use busybox? | 15:02 |
| zap | if it isn't, I wont change it | 15:02 |
| jott | if a package depends on bash2 as it uses bash scripts i don't expect it to change my shell | 15:02 |
| zap | ok I'll ask the user on first login to terminal | 15:03 |
| zap | but I dont see a big problem with busybox | 15:04 |
| zap | its almost unusable interactively | 15:04 |
| jott | no it's fine. and if i install foobar that depends on bash2 i don't want to have bash2 as my default shell all of a sudden | 15:04 |
| zap | Ok | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | hey folks do not change the default shell no matter what | 15:07 |
| RST38h | because you do not know how much of nokias system stuff depends on it | 15:07 |
| zap | good morning | 15:07 |
| zap | were speaking about interactive shell | 15:08 |
| zap | not about replacing /bin/sh | 15:08 |
| zanshin | I have a problem with Xomap. It seems my pointer is reversed. If I move to the left, the pointer moves to the right. | 15:08 |
| RST38h | yes, I understood that much... | 15:08 |
| RST38h | you have a pointer? | 15:09 |
| zanshin | Also I can't use /dev/input/event2 :( | 15:09 |
| zap | void * | 15:09 |
| zanshin | yes | 15:09 |
| zanshin | sorry with debian :) | 15:09 |
| RST38h | oh | 15:09 |
| zanshin | I try to install debian on my 770 | 15:09 |
| zanshin | xfce4-session works, but my pointer is reversed | 15:10 |
| zanshin | I tried to use the pointercal from the 2008HE but it doesn't change | 15:11 |
| zanshin | It's there in /etc/ | 15:11 |
| zanshin | but still the same | 15:11 |
| zap | anybody knows a package which changes file icons in filemanager? I mean, sets up a mime type with its own icon? | 15:11 |
| RST38h | zap: no package but I can tell you how it is done | 15:13 |
| kulve | zap: ogg-support | 15:13 |
| jott | zap: this should be handled by .desktop files (hopefully :) | 15:13 |
| zap | kulve thank you | 15:13 |
| zap | RST38 and how? | 15:14 |
| jott | zap: cat /usr/share/applications/hildon/image-viewer.desktop for example | 15:14 |
| kulve | jott: that's a different thing, I guess | 15:14 |
| jott | kulve: is it? | 15:14 |
| RST38h | you have to put a mime type def file into mime-types dir | 15:14 |
| kulve | Adding a new mime type vs. mapping an application to a certain mime type | 15:14 |
| jott | hmm | 15:15 |
| RST38h | it contains the name pattern, type name, and icon ref | 15:15 |
| zap | rst38 I did | 15:15 |
| jott | kulve: possible | 15:15 |
| RST38h | then you have to update a few databases | 15:15 |
| zap | but don't know how to specify the icon | 15:15 |
| RST38h | it is in there | 15:15 |
| zap | update-mime-database barfs at freedesktop keyword | 15:15 |
| kulve | zap: I think it goes automatically when the icon is named in a certain way | 15:15 |
| zap | for icon | 15:15 |
| kulve | at least that's how I did it with ogg-support: just adding properly named icons and they worked | 15:16 |
| RST38h | zap: i DONT THINK THIS KEYWORD EXISTS | 15:16 |
| kulve | i.e. application/ogg -> gnome-application-ogg.png or something like that | 15:16 |
| RST38h | zap: pull vgba package from chinook extras and see how it is done | 15:17 |
| RST38h | zap: you will definitely want to check the postinst script there | 15:17 |
| zap | <generic-icon name="..."> is not understood by update-mime-database | 15:17 |
| zap | ok | 15:18 |
| RST38h | vgba does update-mime-database and more | 15:18 |
| zap | extras is broken :)) | 15:19 |
| RST38h | fms.komkon.org/VGBA then | 15:19 |
| zap | ty | 15:20 |
| jott | zap: you can add "62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org" for the time being :) | 15:20 |
| jott | to /etc/hosts that is | 15:21 |
| zap | it resolves for me | 15:21 |
| zap | but it cant decompress PackagesÜgz | 15:21 |
| jott | yes | 15:22 |
| jott | with this host it works | 15:22 |
| zap | RST38: how vgba compares to MSX2? | 15:22 |
| * RST38h cant believe nokia would allow this to happen | 15:22 | |
| RST38h | zap: ? | 15:22 |
| RST38h | msx2 is a platform, vgba is an emulator | 15:22 |
| zap | is it z80? | 15:22 |
| zap | ah | 15:22 |
| RST38h | arm7tdmi | 15:23 |
| RST38h | gba uses 16mhz arm7tdmi | 15:23 |
| zap | so its more powerful | 15:23 |
| zap | (e.g. more complex games? :) | 15:23 |
| RST38h | definitely | 15:23 |
| zap | cool | 15:24 |
| jott | i wonder if vgba could run on the IVA with it's arm7tdmi :) | 15:24 |
| RST38h | vdp allows for up to 4 playfields, rotation, blending, 128x128 sprites etc | 15:24 |
| RST38h | jott: not really | 15:24 |
| zap | IVA has yet one more arm core ??? | 15:24 |
| jott | zap: seems so, yes | 15:24 |
| * zap hates TI | 15:25 | |
| RST38h | jott: but I would be able to use iva to emulate cpu alone | 15:25 |
| jott | RST38h: yes, i meant mainly for cpu emulation. | 15:25 |
| RST38h | i.e. iva runs arm7tdmi emulation, while central cpu runs the rest | 15:25 |
| jott | would be interesting how it would perform.. | 15:26 |
| RST38h | prolly about 50-70% faster | 15:26 |
| RST38h | maybe less depending on how frequently vdp writes occur | 15:27 |
| zap | does n8xx have enough power to emulate gba in realtime? | 15:27 |
| RST38h | barely | 15:27 |
| jott | zap: most games work ok with frameskipping etc ;) | 15:27 |
| zap | :) | 15:28 |
| zap | is vgba a per-instruction interpreter? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | yes | 15:28 |
| RST38h | it is not a jit | 15:28 |
| zap | qemu seems to use some clever technique like JIT | 15:28 |
| zap | and it emulates arm | 15:28 |
| RST38h | qemu is jit | 15:29 |
| RST38h | but emulating arm is a smaller part of the problem | 15:29 |
| zap | I wrote once long ago a zx spectrum emulator | 15:29 |
| jott | RST38h: how much is (in rough average) actually the overhead for the arm->arm emulation? | 15:29 |
| zap | I found that checking every write to memory is slow | 15:30 |
| zap | and instead have set a thread which did screen refresh | 15:30 |
| RST38h | jott: about 5-10 instructions | 15:30 |
| RST38h | zap: writes are rare | 15:30 |
| zap | 400/10=40 | 15:30 |
| RST38h | zap: it is reads you have to worry about | 15:31 |
| zap | writes are rare, but they are checked on every instruction | 15:31 |
| RST38h | nope | 15:31 |
| zap | that writes to memory | 15:31 |
| RST38h | right | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | but those are rare | 15:31 |
| zap | I see | 15:31 |
| RST38h | but every instruction is a read | 15:32 |
| zap | and reads cant be backed by simple RAM? | 15:32 |
| RST38h | they can sometimes | 15:32 |
| zap | on zx spectrum this worked because of simple hw | 15:32 |
| RST38h | you usually have two read funcs | 15:32 |
| RST38h | one for reading opcodes (dumb but fast) | 15:33 |
| RST38h | another for reading data | 15:33 |
| zap | From hardware? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | yes | 15:33 |
| zap | and you do some cmp's on every read | 15:33 |
| zap | to see where its reading from | 15:34 |
| RST38h | now, if you have memory mapped io that changes state on read, you can only read it reliably with the second read func | 15:34 |
| zap | and call the appropiate func, right? | 15:34 |
| RST38h | zap: yes | 15:34 |
| RST38h | wait no | 15:34 |
| zap | memory mapped io is a bitch to emulate | 15:35 |
| RST38h | when I read instructions, I always use dumb read. | 15:35 |
| zap | sure | 15:35 |
| RST38h | if it reads from io and returns garbage I do not care | 15:35 |
| zap | :) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | in the real read func i have a switch(0 | 15:36 |
| zap | not a series of ifs? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | any good compiler will compile switch(0 either into jump table or into a tree of ifs | 15:36 |
| RST38h | depending on the number of holes | 15:36 |
| zap | but switch on what? | 15:37 |
| zap | on memory address? | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | well, on significant part of the address | 15:40 |
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| zap | Ic | 15:44 |
| zap | hmm installed vgba, created a file called aaa.gba and I still see the standard icon in filemanager | 15:47 |
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| zap | I have a very similar postinst | 15:54 |
| zap | and still I don't see where vgba sets up the icon | 15:54 |
| jott | zap: have you tried putting icons into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/mimetypes with the canonical naming? | 15:57 |
| zap | Im trying now | 15:57 |
| zap | its a pain to do it on n8xx :) | 15:58 |
| jott | ;) | 15:58 |
| jott | use mc :> | 15:58 |
| zap | but you have either GPRS, or wifi thats it :) | 15:58 |
| zap | I use mc, I would be dead already if I would be forced to use /bin/sh like you prefer :) | 15:59 |
| jott | you could use bash-completion or zsh :> | 16:01 |
| zap | mc is a good addon to bash | 16:02 |
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| jott | yes | 16:04 |
| jott | does it work with the icons? | 16:05 |
| zap | tried 26x26, no luck | 16:05 |
| zap | ah damnit, forgot to update icon cache | 16:06 |
| zap | whoa | 16:08 |
| zap | so simple and so undocumented | 16:08 |
| jott | please do us a favor and write a short note on the wiki ;) | 16:08 |
| zap | bwahahahah | 16:08 |
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| jott | well it's documented now. the google bot learns it by tomorrow ;) | 16:09 |
| zap | I'll take this occult knowledge with me into grave :] | 16:09 |
| jott | just place some magic keywords: change icon maemo filemanager howto mime desktop READ ABOVE! | 16:10 |
| aquatix | irc: the auto documenting project | 16:10 |
| zap | you already marked it for Big Brother | 16:10 |
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| daverw | is there a simple way to tell the n800 to kill the internet connection and close down an app after a period of time, e.g. 90 mins? I'd like to be able to play streamed music when I go to bed then have it turn off after 30|60|90 mins to save the battery. | 16:36 |
| kulve | sleep 4800 && killall "app" | 16:38 |
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| lovebug356 | Is there a nice library available to create some smooth scrolling app's ? | 16:39 |
| lovebug356 | like used in some media players,... | 16:39 |
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| zap | liqbase :) | 16:40 |
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| zap | what exactly do you mean | 16:41 |
| zap | if you mean platform shooters, look in direction of SDL | 16:42 |
| zap | s/shooters/arcades/ | 16:42 |
| infobot | zap meant: if you mean platform arcades, look in direction of SDL | 16:42 |
| lovebug356 | zap, I think something like liqbase is what I'm looking for | 16:45 |
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| lovebug356 | zap, but can't find the homepage of it.. | 16:46 |
| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 | 16:46 |
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| lovebug356 | lbt, thanks | 16:47 |
| lovebug356 | is there something wrong with the repository.maemo.org server ? | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, what you wanna do with liqbase ? | 16:48 |
| lovebug356 | crashanddie, I want to build a pdf reader | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | Well, that's already planned in liqbase, I think | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | weird, lcuk ain't here | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | that must be a first | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, it shouldn't be too much work | 16:50 |
| jott | crashanddie: we should be concerned! | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | jott, indeed we should | 16:50 |
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| crashanddie | lovebug356, there's been a discussion about adding pdf support to liqbase, I think that the easiest way to go would be to get a pdf to jpeg converter (if you want something to get going quickly) | 16:51 |
| jott | poppler is quite easy to use | 16:51 |
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| lovebug356 | crashanddie, jott, now I use poppler,... but the problem is to get the page in a nice way to the user | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, and about repo.m.o -> /topic | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, well, liqbase supports drawing jpeg's to the screen | 16:52 |
| jott | lovebug356: poppler as the lib to render it onto a pixmap etc | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, currently, liqbase uses YUV that is directly drawn to the screen, if you can get YUV output from PDF, it should be trivial to integrate it into liqbase | 16:53 |
| lovebug356 | jott, yes, now I do poppler -> pixbuf -> screen | 16:53 |
| jott | so try pixbuf -> liqbase ;) | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, the added value would be the touchscreen panning | 16:54 |
| lovebug356 | crashanddie, don't know if it is supported in the lib | 16:54 |
| zap | pdf renders slowly though | 16:55 |
| zap | I doubt you will get smooth scrolling for long periods of time | 16:55 |
| lovebug356 | zap, Now I solve this with rendering in a different thread,... | 16:57 |
| jott | lovebug356: and this will make scrolling slower :/ | 16:57 |
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| lovebug356 | But If I can make 1 pdf page available it would be enough | 16:58 |
| lovebug356 | is there some documentation available from that project? | 17:00 |
| jott | rtfs? ;) | 17:01 |
| jott | no i don't think. and lcuk is not here atm.. | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | lovebug356, there's no doc for liqbase | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | lovebug356, I heard someone was doing python bindings and he's a hotty for documentation, so he might push something | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | Dunno who though | 17:03 |
| jott | where is lcuks red phone when you need it :) | 17:04 |
| lovebug356 | crashanddie, ok | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | jott, I'm not calling him up on a sunday afternoon | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | He's probably just coding in the garden | 17:04 |
| jott | hehe | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | the guy's a maniac | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | or a genius | 17:05 |
| aquatix | or both | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | Never been a lot of difference between the two | 17:05 |
| t_s_o | hmm, is maemo.org falling apart? | 17:05 |
| aquatix | indeed | 17:05 |
| aquatix | t_s_o: oh? | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | t_s_o, you mean more than usual ? | 17:05 |
| t_s_o | :P | 17:05 |
| lovebug356 | does somebody uses -> http://miaouw.henrikhedberg.com/ | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | zanshin: still around? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | lovebug356: looks interesting, think i'll bookmark it | 17:19 |
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| NeoStrider_ | hey folks | 17:19 |
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| NeoStrider_ | whats the matter with the SDK downloads? | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | NeoStrider_: think the infrastructure is just generally fucked right now :P | 17:21 |
| NeoStrider_ | oh I see | 17:21 |
| NeoStrider_ | I could dig a download at repositories.maemo.org | 17:21 |
| NeoStrider_ | but I had to dig hard | 17:21 |
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| * RST38h wonders when Nokia figures out that web infrastructure must work 24/7 no matter what | 17:25 | |
| RST38h | Or hires someone to figure it out for them and fires whatever kid they employ right now | 17:25 |
| jott | "the intarweb only has to be online on working hours" :p | 17:27 |
| jott | (local time only) | 17:27 |
| jott | it's quite embarrassing how long the downtime is.. | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | It's always on weekends and holidays | 17:29 |
| RST38h | is it their idea of going green? | 17:29 |
| oilinki | someone could make an copy of the repos for these times? | 17:30 |
| jott | if the servers where offline you might actually could think so. but all servers are up and running just server settings, dns and caching-networks are screwed... | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | oilinki: heh, those are huge :P | 17:31 |
| oilinki | Stskeeps: some distributed repo-system using bittorrent or something like that :) | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | i would kill myself if i had to torrent down debian packages, one by one | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | timeless has something of a mirror up from time to time. | 17:32 |
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| jott | well atleast stage.maemo.org seems to work .. | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | lol | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | Our saviour | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | Now and last November | 17:34 |
| aquatix | oilinki: apt-torrent? :) | 17:34 |
| * GAN800 likes nokiasuxalot.maemo.org for stage | 17:35 | |
| jott | we want live video streams of heads rolling! ;P | 17:35 |
| GAN800 | amateurhour.maemo.org | 17:35 |
| jott | GAN800: yeah but that does not work at the moment as the *.maemo.org fallback points to the hold stage server ;) | 17:35 |
| jott | old | 17:35 |
| GAN800 | jott, about package demotion, there was some talk about a package approval process for Extras. | 17:36 |
| GAN800 | Might be worth putting together a wiki proposal if you want to push it. ;) :P | 17:37 |
| * jott is lazy :p | 17:38 | |
| jott | hmm yeah that needs some thoughts anyway.. | 17:38 |
| GAN800 | Most useless bug report ever: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 | 17:39 |
| jott | oh they accepted the subscription of maemo-community on gmane :) | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | "A 73-year-old Dutch man was astonished to learn from police that the begonias he had lovingly tended on his doorstep concealed a secret marijuana plantation." | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | Talk about a green hand | 17:48 |
| derf | An entire plantation on his doorstep? | 17:49 |
| t_s_o | one leaf = a plantation i legal terms it seems at times | 17:51 |
| t_s_o | that or media terms... | 17:51 |
| t_s_o | im having a hard time telling one from the other these days as what seems to be media hype one day turns out to be law the next... | 17:52 |
| RST38h | some 6 years ago I stopped spotting difference between theonion and real news... | 17:54 |
| ttmrichter | RST38h: There's a difference? | 17:58 |
| ttmrichter | I thought The Onion was just a more reliable than usual news source. | 17:58 |
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| Blafasel | userfriendly's strip today might be a nice game ;) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | tt: there was | 18:01 |
| t_s_o | heh, illiad seems quite capable of coming up with those | 18:02 |
| RST38h | tt: but yes, it ended up being most reliable, it and dailyrotten | 18:02 |
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| Blafasel | t_s_o: Yep ;) | 18:03 |
| t_s_o | weird, the sundays only archive stops at 2003... | 18:04 |
| Cptnodegard | whats the deal with "beware n800 users" in advanced backligihting? | 18:05 |
| summatusmentis | if you set the backlight to 0, the screen is unusable for n800 users | 18:05 |
| t_s_o | the N800 needs a low level of backlight to visible at all, unlike the N810 that has a reflective layer behind the screen | 18:05 |
| Cptnodegard | so cant one just turn it back up? :3 | 18:06 |
| GAN800 | Only if you can see it. . . . | 18:06 |
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| summatusmentis | is considered ok put someone else's project in extras? Or would that require a second maintainer(the project maintainer, and then the person who put it in extras) ? | 18:06 |
| Blafasel | Stupid question: No way to know on which device you are codewise? | 18:06 |
| Cptnodegard | oic | 18:06 |
| Blafasel | i.e. fix it in the applet? | 18:07 |
| t_s_o | or have a very good idea of where on the screen it is, as you can use the directionpad to correct the setting | 18:07 |
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| GAN800 | Blafasel, the applet handles it fi | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | ne | 18:07 |
| summatusmentis | Blafasel: there might be something in /proc that'll tell you, I'm not sure | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | we were asked for an override | 18:07 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | so an override we provide | 18:07 |
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| * GAN800 is really tired of people assuming it's a bug. | 18:08 | |
| Blafasel | An override to allow 0, even if it doesn't make sense? | 18:08 |
| GAN800 | Don't ask me why they wanted it | 18:08 |
| GAN800 | But they did, and choice isn't a terrible thing. | 18:08 |
| Blafasel | Unless you might be the one to receive the bug reports because of "broken" displays.. | 18:09 |
| GAN800 | Apple allows you to use zero on their laptops even though you can't see anything | 18:09 |
| GAN800 | So, eh. | 18:09 |
| Blafasel | I mean. Choice is fine. But supporting crap? ;) | 18:09 |
| GAN800 | Blafasel, go make your own applet, then. | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: depends on the lighting conditions... on newer macbooks you can sometimes see something, depending on what light is behind you | 18:10 |
| Blafasel | GAN800: Huh? What was that for? | 18:10 |
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| Cptnodegard | why not make two versions? one idiotic proof one | 18:10 |
| t_s_o | so they have started using transfeltives? | 18:10 |
| GAN800 | They have to override to enable it on the N800, so it'll be clear to anybody with half a brain that that's what caused it. | 18:10 |
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| summatusmentis | t_s_o: seemingly, my macbook seems to be vsible in some lighting conditions | 18:10 |
| GAN800 | MacBooks, maybe, 4 year old PowerBook, no. | 18:11 |
| summatusmentis | fair enough | 18:11 |
| GAN800 | Blafasel, nobody has ever complained about a 'broken' display from our applet that I've ever seen. | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | Cpt | 18:12 |
| t_s_o | well transflectives are a slightly new development as more and more people use their laptops outside... | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, how does two versions make any sense at all? | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | It's already idiot proof, you have to tap one checkbox and click through two dialogs to enable it now. | 18:13 |
| Blafasel | GAN800: Fine, I was just wondering what the benefit is, nothing more. I'd love to hear from guys that use this what the motive is. | 18:13 |
| Cptnodegard | then paranoid people (like the one im taslking to who asked what it meant in the first place (ive used ab since it came out) could be totally safe | 18:13 |
| Cptnodegard | oh | 18:13 |
| t_s_o | ah, no need for a sundays archive, just enter sunday as a search term ;) | 18:13 |
| Cptnodegard | thought it was always enabled | 18:13 |
| GAN800 | No. | 18:13 |
| Cptnodegard | speaking of which, i cant update the app | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Trust me, we've thought this one out. ;) | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Extras is borked for the moment. | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Blafasel, power usage or something, maybe. I dunno. | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Maybe they've got really good eyes | 18:15 |
| Cptnodegard | its not enabled on mine | 18:15 |
| Cptnodegard | (yesi had to test ^^ ) | 18:15 |
| GAN800 | You can see a bit of the N800's screen in good light. | 18:15 |
| Blafasel | Or just use the N800 as apache server somewhere on the corner of their desk..? ;) | 18:15 |
| Cptnodegard | are there any apps on the n8x0 capable of cropping and resizing images? | 18:16 |
| Cptnodegard | btw GAN800 your app is excellent, saves useful space | 18:17 |
| Cptnodegard | not to mention ebook usage | 18:17 |
| GAN800 | Thank rm_you | 18:17 |
| * Cptnodegard thanks rm_you | 18:17 | |
| GAN800 | I'm mostly docs/website/triage/management | 18:17 |
| GAN800 | But thanks. ;) | 18:17 |
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| GAN800 | Oh, right, and usability. :P | 18:18 |
| GAN800 | So much logo contest spam. | 18:19 |
| Cptnodegard | so, anyone know about image editor? | 18:20 |
| GAN800 | imagemagick? ;) | 18:21 |
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| Cptnodegard | thx :) | 18:24 |
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| kulve | Cptnodegard: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mirage/ ? | 18:31 |
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| Cptnodegard | oooh thats even better, thankds kulve | 18:42 |
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| Cptnodegard | mkay movable type is not in any way whatsoever even close to remotely being a tiny bit tablet compatible | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone good with mount --bind here? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | basically i need to do mount --bind / /mnt/somewhere/mnt/rootfs, and im not sure that's going to fly :) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
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| zap | what gives setting the osso:category for a mime type? | 18:55 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps, sure, what you trying to achieve ? | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, just make sure you don't get infinite loops going ;) | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, I wouldn't bind / to another place within / | 19:03 |
| crashanddie | The reason for this is that if you do a find / -name something, it'll never quit | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: running nit-debian installer in chroot where it needs files from / and the maemo install cannot run it :P | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | and i wouldn't normally either | 19:04 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, that *should* work | 19:05 |
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| Cptnodegard | anyone here use joikuspot? | 20:25 |
| Cptnodegard | just bought the prmium version...its nice | 20:25 |
| callahad | I swear, MicroSD is just *too* small. | 20:25 |
| Cptnodegard | turns S60 V3 phones with wifi into wifi hotspots | 20:25 |
| Cptnodegard | no need for BT tethering | 20:25 |
| callahad | Cptnodegard: Ooh, that's kinda neat | 20:26 |
| Cptnodegard | since i got hsdpa coverage here BT bandwidth is actually a bottle neck | 20:26 |
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| Proteous | although a bluetooth teather is easier on the battery | 20:28 |
| Cptnodegard | thats true | 20:28 |
| Cptnodegard | and i will prob continue using bt for the n800 | 20:29 |
| Cptnodegard | but with joikuspot i can connect my laptop too | 20:29 |
| Cptnodegard | and such | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone know of anything similar to bootlogd (takes everything output on /dev/console), that sends it over syslog instead of storing? | 20:40 |
| lbt | I'd use netconsole on a normal linux box... | 20:41 |
| oilinki | Cptnodegard: I have. tryppy usefull, but supports only http/https | 20:41 |
| lbt | but I doubt that would work - but it may help in googling... | 20:41 |
| Cptnodegard | oilinki: thats why i bought the premium version while itss till on sale | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm, yeah, not sure that module exists for maemo kernels :P | 20:42 |
| oilinki | Cptnodegard: ah. ok. how much is it? | 20:43 |
| lbt | no - it couldn't work | 20:43 |
| Cptnodegard | oilinki: 25 Euro normally, 15 now | 20:43 |
| lbt | my app keeps being killed when launched from the launcher - I think this is a dbus registration problem but I'm not finding any hints on debugging it | 20:44 |
| lbt | any ideas? | 20:44 |
| oilinki | Cptnodegard: have to think about the premium. I might soon live in a place that doesn't have other options than satelite and gprs/edge | 20:45 |
| Cptnodegard | you shoul dhurry, the 15 euro price lasts for a moneth after it was released.think thats soon | 20:46 |
| oilinki | ok. thanks for the info. | 20:48 |
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| oilinki | do you know if the licence can be transfered to another phone? | 20:52 |
| Cptnodegard | not sure... i doubt it because they cverify it online. check the faq? joikushop.com | 20:53 |
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| Italodance | what's EQ? | 21:00 |
| Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207602#post207602post207602 | 21:00 |
| Italodance | ?????? | 21:00 |
| Cptnodegard | equalizer, lets you control frequency response of the sound | 21:00 |
| oilinki | Cptnodegard: not mentioned -> can not change :) | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | Terry Pratchett wrote something about multimple exclamation marks. It applies for multiple question marks as well. | 21:01 |
| Cptnodegard | oilinki oh thats too abd, maybe drop them a mail? should be transferable | 21:01 |
| lcuk | all right dudes,whats going down in groove town? | 21:02 |
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| lbt | bug fixing... | 21:03 |
| lbt | I know what you're thinking ... but even *my* code has bugs... | 21:04 |
| lcuk | heh, ive been fixing biological bugs | 21:05 |
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| * lcuk doesnt like losing days to migraine headaches :( | 21:06 | |
| lbt | ugh | 21:06 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: will you be around the wiki today at 23:59 UTC? | 21:07 |
| lcuk | hi qgil | 21:08 |
| qgil | hi, I mean at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=7&day=27&year=2008&hour=23&min=55&sec=0&p1=0 | 21:08 |
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| frewsxcv | is there a way to have usb power my nokia 770? | 21:09 |
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| F-i-G | Has anyone figured out why comix isn't working? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | heh qgil, make sure its not ambiguous :D | 21:09 |
| lcuk | frewsxcv, you can get a little dongle that sits on the end of a usb cable and becomes a charger needle | 21:10 |
| qgil | GeneralAntilles: the reason is that it will be good to protect https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions from more editions aka logo contest submissions | 21:10 |
| qgil | 23:59 UTC is a bit late for the average European, specially in Summer, but it's peanuts for Americans, and afaik GeneralAntilles is the only wiki sysop out of Europe | 21:11 |
| frewsxcv | lcuk, how do i do that? | 21:12 |
| Blafasel | No way to script that? | 21:12 |
| Blafasel | at/cron on the machine? | 21:12 |
| Blafasel | Just asking.. | 21:12 |
| * qgil never expected to get +60 participants in the logo contest! | 21:13 | |
| lbt | one of the huge pdf docs on maemo.org talks about apps dieing if not registered with dbus/launcher but I can't find it using search - anyone know? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | frewsxcv, look at this: http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=nokia+usb+charger | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | lbt, i never register with anything | 21:14 |
| lbt | but you don't launch from the launcher.... yet | 21:14 |
| lbt | you will | 21:14 |
| lcuk | qgil, people like drawing things. you should have said "logo submissions from tablet tdrawn apps only" ;) | 21:14 |
| lbt | bwhahahaaahaaa | 21:14 |
| lcuk | which launcher? | 21:14 |
| lbt | the menu | 21:15 |
| lbt | on the left | 21:15 |
| lbt | you know | 21:15 |
| lcuk | main menu? | 21:15 |
| lbt | yes | 21:15 |
| lcuk | i use it all the time | 21:15 |
| lbt | I think it's called the launcher | 21:15 |
| lbt | to launch liqbase? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | liqbase has been in "my selection" forever, im not a sadist i dont want to use console all the time | 21:15 |
| lcuk | it has a desktop item and everything | 21:15 |
| lbt | hmm - but it's not hildonised is it | 21:16 |
| lcuk | no | 21:16 |
| lbt | I think something in there does some dbus registration | 21:16 |
| lbt | and there's no log from the launcher | 21:16 |
| lbt | my app lives forever launched from the console | 21:16 |
| lcuk | is your .desktop file in the tar.gz? | 21:16 |
| lbt | yes | 21:16 |
| lbt | under data | 21:16 |
| lcuk | liqbase *does* use a starter script | 21:16 |
| lbt | I'm using the 'official' approach :( | 21:17 |
| lcuk | loads of apps do nothing strange from .desktop | 21:17 |
| lbt | as per the tutorial | 21:17 |
| lbt | and there's a warning in there about the launcher killing apps | 21:17 |
| lbt | I read it | 21:18 |
| lbt | but I can't find it | 21:18 |
| lbt | and 'cos it's a pdf I'm suspicious that it's not indexed | 21:18 |
| qgil | lbt: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ do you mean here? | 21:19 |
| qgil | or the training materials? | 21:19 |
| lbt | that area yes | 21:20 |
| lbt | do you happen to know if the pdfs are indexed for search? | 21:20 |
| lbt | there's a *lot* of stuff in there :) | 21:20 |
| lbt | (V. good stuff btw - I'm impressed) | 21:20 |
| qgil | there are HTML and PDF versions, they should be indexed | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | lbt, you are registering with osso, i thought that was needed for link handling and explorer double clicking? (that might be wanted though) | 21:22 |
| qgil | lbt: yes, PDFs are also indexedm and the 4.1 documentation is indexed too (I checked to be sure): http://search.maemo.org/search?q=%22Small+application+state+so+that+we+can+pass+both+LibOSSO+context%22&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd | 21:23 |
| lcuk | and you have the X-Osso-Service line twice | 21:23 |
| lcuk | X-Osso-Service=shopper | 21:23 |
| lcuk | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 21:23 |
| lcuk | X-Osso-Service=com.dgreaves.shopper | 21:23 |
| lbt | d'oh | 21:23 |
| qgil | but the most recent versions are not in the top of the searched - perhaps we should dig older docs... | 21:23 |
| lcuk | :) that might explain it | 21:23 |
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| lbt | ok - I'll repackage... | 21:24 |
| lbt | ta lcuk | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | heh, it will help for when i come round to doin it ;) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | back later anyway | 21:26 |
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| Blafasel | Wow.. This new Tron trailer is awesome. | 21:34 |
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| rm_you | new TRON!? | 21:35 |
| rm_you | omfg? | 21:35 |
| Blafasel | ;-) | 21:35 |
| Blafasel | Search for tron trailer or "Tr2n".. | 21:35 |
| Blafasel | Baaaaaad quality (from comic con or something, looks like its done with a mobile or worse..), but - cool | 21:36 |
| rm_you | lol neat | 21:39 |
| lcuk | Blafasel, did you watch the rotated version or the wonky original | 21:40 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Both ;) | 21:40 |
| lcuk | its awesome whichever way you look at it tho :D | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | hmmm does wifi work from isnide a fridge? | 21:41 |
| Blafasel | Anyone here having moderator access to the forums on ITT? | 21:42 |
| Blafasel | And who runs ITT anyway? | 21:43 |
| lcuk | guy called reggie is what i know | 21:44 |
| Blafasel | Ah, okay. Read that name once or .. twice ;) | 21:44 |
| lcuk | hows your vala stuff goin? | 21:45 |
| Blafasel | Sloooow. | 21:45 |
| Blafasel | Payed work to do, lots of stuff to (re)learn | 21:45 |
| lcuk | yer that does tend to get in the way | 21:45 |
| frewsxcv | is it possible to call an SIP number from a cell phone? | 21:48 |
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| rm_you | frewsxcv: i think so? you might need to use something like gizmo / grandcentral | 21:48 |
| lcuk | your provider should be able to tell you | 21:48 |
| lbt | lcuk: removing the X-Osso-Service didn't help :( | 21:48 |
| lcuk | are you trying to use osso registration? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | cos mine includes none of the osso stuff | 21:49 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqbase.desktop | 21:49 |
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| oilinki | frewsxcv: yes, but not as cellular call | 21:53 |
| lcuk | lbt, or maybe its not the problem at all | 21:53 |
| lcuk | which osso service did you remove | 21:54 |
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| Blafasel | God dammit. No one can moderate the ITT boards? That spam is annoying. | 22:16 |
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| robink | Extras are fixed | 22:32 |
| * CptLaptop updates shit | 22:33 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:36 |
| * callahad cheers | 22:37 | |
| CptLaptop | still get error with advanced backlight pdate¨ | 22:37 |
| CptLaptop | cannot install. software contains updates to packages installed from another source, and that will probably damage the syste | 22:37 |
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| CptLaptop | "" | 22:38 |
| callahad | The screen-unlock keypad is far, far too tiny for finger use :( | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CptLaptop, uninstall and reinstall | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your original install is from somewhere else | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application manager is protecting you. | 22:39 |
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| b0unc3 | hi | 22:41 |
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| CptLaptop | thx GeneralAntilles | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630#c30 | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That guy needs to leave already. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | He has nothing useful to bring to the sprint meetings. | 22:42 |
| CptLaptop | wow my version of adv bl was OLD | 22:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:45 |
| rm_you | 0.8? :P | 22:45 |
| rm_you | 0.9b? | 22:45 |
| CptLaptop | no idea | 22:45 |
| rm_you | heh | 22:45 |
| CptLaptop | first that came out i think | 22:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:45 |
| CptLaptop | the slider was tiny, no settings | 22:45 |
| rm_you | heh | 22:45 |
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| CptLaptop | huh | 22:46 |
| CptLaptop | weird bug | 22:46 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://gerrymoth.jaiku.com/presence/40821741 | 22:46 |
| rm_you | >_> | 22:46 |
| rm_you | comment 1 <_ | 22:46 |
| rm_you | <_< | 22:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've seen that avatar on itT | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Retard. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same nick, actually | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Search for his posts | 22:47 |
| CptLaptop | three times now my sceen has gone weird with no icons visible etc | 22:47 |
| rm_you | CptLaptop: ? | 22:48 |
| CptLaptop | three times in 15 min and never before | 22:48 |
| rm_you | just randomly? | 22:48 |
| CptLaptop | not related to adv bl | 22:48 |
| CptLaptop | twice in application manager, once when i rebooted | 22:48 |
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| rm_you | hrm, odd | 22:48 |
| CptLaptop | tried to grab my cam but too late | 22:48 |
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| CptLaptop | the "background" for the main icons on the left side were visible. the rest of the screen was black and white. was like that for 5 secs then came back | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | hildon-desktop crashed | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've NEVER seen that? | 22:50 |
| CptLaptop | no? | 22:51 |
| rm_you | and it was right on reboot? | 22:51 |
| CptLaptop | first two times in app manager, though it was reboot time, then when i rebooted it was like that before the desktop loaded normallyy | 22:51 |
| rm_you | that *could* be an applet... try disabling adv-backlight | 22:51 |
| rm_you | and see if it still does that | 22:52 |
| rm_you | are you in diablo or chinook? | 22:52 |
| CptLaptop | it did it before i updated | 22:52 |
| CptLaptop | chinook | 22:52 |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upgrade that ish already. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook is the suck | 22:52 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: you may know - my app keeps dying when run from the launcher; I think it's down to registering a service with libosso or dbus or something - any ideas? | 22:52 |
| CptLaptop | too lazy to install shit over again | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what backup/restore is for. | 22:52 |
| rm_you | CptLaptop: if you were in the process of updating adv-backlight when that happened, it is a known issue with updating statusbar plugins | 22:53 |
| rm_you | need to reboot or else that happens | 22:53 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it doesnt really reinstall everything tho :/ | 22:53 |
| rm_you | or anything, really | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes it does. | 22:53 |
| CptLaptop | nah it happeed first time when i updated thew app list, before i touched adv backlight | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as what you're installing is available from the repositories you have. | 22:53 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hrm, i guess that just never worked for me | 22:53 |
| rm_you | hrm ok | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What does "not work" mean. | 22:54 |
| CptLaptop | gonna uninstall mirage as thats the only thing i installed today | 22:54 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it never re-installed anything, or even really appeared to try | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open up Application manager and run restore from the menu. :| | 22:54 |
| rm_you | i did a full backup and full restore once, and i still ended up with only defaults | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It didn't do anything because you didn't tell it to do anything. <_< | 22:55 |
| rm_you | ... ah. lol | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | fail. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | :P | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | The one nasty bug with restore is that it doesn't reenable Extras when you restore a backup with Extras enabled. | 22:55 |
| CptLaptop | with me it says nothign to restore in application manager | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is some lame retarded shit | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | that I can't believe they didn't fix for Diablo. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | CptLaptop, you need to have restored a backup with an application list. | 22:56 |
| CptLaptop | ah | 22:56 |
| CptLaptop | dont see any reason to update to diablo until chinook breaks :3 | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo's Application manager is 10x better. | 22:57 |
| CptLaptop | why? | 22:57 |
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| CptLaptop | besides diablo doesnt even have all apps i use yet | 22:58 |
| rm_you | CptLaptop: you can always just install the chinook versions in the meantime | 22:58 |
| CptLaptop | stop taking away my reasons to not upgrde 8# | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Faster, and way more stable. | 22:59 |
| CptLaptop | does osso backup backup all settings from all applications? | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only applications that properly set themselves up for backup | 23:00 |
| CptLaptop | so "no" :p | 23:00 |
| Blafasel | GA: You don't happen to have ITT mod access? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, only Reggie does | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | if there's spam, hit the report button | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, would the usb host on the tablets be powerful enough to power a usb connection between it and a phone? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | he has a fast turnaround time. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | since phone has own power source | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | (cellphone) | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, as long as the phone doesn't want power. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 23:01 |
| * Stskeeps glances at his 3g phone | 23:01 | |
| Blafasel | GA: Did, just wanted to know if someone in here could react. And since your post count is - uhm - huge.. ;) | 23:01 |
| * Stskeeps eyes the glue | 23:01 | |
| CptLaptop | use bt | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | CptLaptop: i already do :P | 23:01 |
| CptLaptop | whats ewrong then? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | something tells me usb power consumption is less than bt consumption | 23:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nah, my post count isn't particularly high | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat is way ahead of me | 23:02 |
| CptLaptop | i doubt that really | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | but Reggie seems incapable of delegating. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the power killer is the 3g. | 23:02 |
| CptLaptop | itt can do without a lot of mods because people ther are nerds and nerds behave | 23:02 |
| CptLaptop | most of th etime | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bull | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the people there are morons. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who say laughably stupid things. | 23:03 |
| CptLaptop | yeah but still in a reasonabe manner that doesnt require 1238746 mods | 23:03 |
| CptLaptop | where i mod we have only a slightly bigger forum than itt but still need 10 mods to keep it clean | 23:04 |
| Dekaritae | Point threshold moderation works | 23:06 |
| Dekaritae | Each post has points. Add points for previous times poster thanked, subtract for spam/abuse reports | 23:07 |
| Dekaritae | Doesn't always scale for larger forums | 23:07 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if i do the boot from mmc thing and then upgrade to diablo, will that wipe everyhting out on internal or does it just mess with the mmc install? | 23:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, do it this way. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 partitions on internal card. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 512-1GB a piece. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | back up your current install over to one partition (smaller of the two, probably) | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | the flash Diablo | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and back that up to the other partition. | 23:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then flash fanoush's bootmenu | 23:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or, if you're not attached to your current install, just make a backup, flash Diablo, move Diablo to the card, and get back up to speed. | 23:09 |
| lcuk | yer thanks :) | 23:10 |
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