IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-07-29

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gregorovius__Hi... I've upgraded my n800 to diablo, and I'm not quite understanding something: is ogg support available? does pidgin work yet? or do all those (and more) have to be ported yet?00:02
AStormogg support is available00:03
AStormpidgin worked and works00:03
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RST38hNow everything depends on X-Fade =)00:03
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robinkAStorm: I have yet been unable to get ogg support fully working.00:04
gregorovius__should I use mogg?00:04
gregorovius__or something else?00:04
AStormit's in maemo-extras AFAICR00:05
AStormrobink: I have been able :)00:05
AStormneed lightweightmediascanner-ogg too :)00:05
AStorm(for Canola)00:05
robinkliblightmediascanner-ogg is missing.00:05
qwerty12_N800robink, it's working for me in diablo00:06
gregorovius__ogg-support is not in maemo extras00:06
gregorovius__ you mean?00:06
robinkWhere do you get it?00:06
robinkgregorovius__: Tuomas Kulve has a repo.00:07
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robinkAStorm: Do you pull lightmediascanner from
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AStormmaybe, or from Thomas00:10
AStormcan't remember00:10
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Luriaanyone know when the n810w is coming out?00:10
gregorovius__I don't see lightmediascanner in
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robink(I still have the DVORAK keymapping on my IRC sessions so my typing is still a bit slow).00:11
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gregorovius__I tried installing ogg-support from  there, but it failed00:11
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qwerty12_N800lardman, dsp-sbc doesn't like east london tracks with a *lot* of bass :p00:12
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robinkgregorovius__: It worked for me, it's just the lightmediascanner stuff that's still non-functional.00:13
robinkWhat's dsp-sbc?00:14
gregorovius__robink, does the default media player works with you for vorbis files?00:15
robinkgregorovius__: Yes.00:15
lardmanqwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder?00:15
robinkRST38h: Aaaaaaah!00:16
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lcukhmmm, the longest nap ever00:17
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lardmanlcuk: I slept for 14 hours last night00:17
RST38hrobink: hehe00:18
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lcukyou lucky thing :) ive spent the last 2 days holed up with a migraine from hell00:18
RST38hboo, lcuk00:18
lardmannever choose the over-wing exit seats for night flights, they don't recline00:18
robinkIs anyone working on a Vorbis codec that uses the MAC instructions on the OMAP dsp?00:18
RST38hlardman: they do00:18
lardmanrobink: yes to the first bit, not yet to the second bit00:18
lcukyikes lardman, apart from that, was it uneventful00:18
lardmanRST38h: not on a 75700:19
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RST38hlardman: unless you fly Lufthansa where no seats recline and the stewardess shouts "NICHT!" when you ask for juice00:19
Luriais there a guide for securing maemo, known exploits, etc?00:19
lardmanRST38h: lol00:19
lcukhahahahahaha luria00:19
RST38hlardman: not joking.00:19
Lurianot kidding00:19
lcukluria, kinda realised that00:20
RST38hlardman: [and I am not even telling a story of trying to get out of Frankfurt with reservation but without a paper ticket]00:20
robinklardman: Are you referring to the vorbis-tremor Maemo port?00:20
lardmanRST38h: I had the same flying a long haul with SwissAir, they were far nicer when I asked again in German00:20
lardmanrobink: yes00:20
RST38hlardman: Never flew them00:20
lardmanDo they even exist anymore?00:20
RST38hlardman: KLM - ok. BA - same as Lufthansa but at least they do not smile at you00:20
lardmanlots of national airlines went bust didn't they00:20
Luriahope was well behaved and i had no problem with my eeexubuntu machine, but i think for defcon, im going to be relying on my n800 or possibly an n81000:21
lcukthe air france staff all wanted to be parents, they had god complexes00:21
lardmanrobink: you interested? I lack motivation as I don't use ogg00:21
robinkDoesn't the ARM11 have FP support?00:21
RST38hlardman: UA - budget airline feel with imperial airline pomp00:21
lardmanrobink: yes00:21
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RST38hlardman: AirFrance - f#$king metal boxes under each seat, reducing leg room to nil00:22
lardmanI flew to Chicago with Continental, was better than I remember, at least they have video screens now :)00:22
robinklardman: Definately, but I lack coding skills.00:22
lcukRST38h, only on over sea journeys: those are your life rafts00:22
lardmanrobink: ah00:22
lcukflight from germany to france was clea underseat00:22
gregorovius__robink, lightmediascanner isn't working yet?00:22
Luriayou mean reflective body finders00:23
RST38hlcuk: should have inflated one and used it as a bed...00:23
gregorovius__lighmediascanner-ogg, I mean00:23
RST38hlardman: Aeroflot - lousy but will bring juice by the litre00:23
lcuknoooo, the steward (we'll call her "mum") was such a bossy trout00:23
robinklardman: I know C but the math behind most audio codecs is beyond me.00:23
lardmanon the internal flight the safetly blurb said all the usual about life jackets, then tacked on the end that if there wasn't one, your seat cushion would float :D00:23
RST38h[or just tell you to help yourself]00:23
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lardmanrobink: in the first instance it's just a case of converting for the 16bit char and getting it to run, fiddling with optimising it is for later00:24
RST38hlardman: Delta - became so similar to Aeroflot that even its planes use Russian tricolor now00:24
robinkgregorovius__: Not for me, but I'm sure lightmediascanner will show up.00:25
RST38hCathay Airways - pretty nice00:25
RST38hMmm....Have I forgotten anyone?00:25
robinklardman: I'll check out the code and look at it.00:26
RST38hOh, AirItalia - nice, but why didn't they tell me that little pastry was made of 100% butter?00:26
lardmanrobink: also take a look at the project mailing list, it says where I am debugging00:27
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lardmanrobink: I recently started converting the code to use the usual malloc fns though rather than the slab allocator I had planned to use00:27
lardmanrobink: Assuming there's enough memory available, this should be faster, and may also remove my corrupt buffer problem00:28
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lardmanrobink: The reason it's not a simple define is that the Tremor code uses lots of allocations on the stack, so I've got to go through and add free() for them00:29
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lardmans/define/define change00:29
robinklardman: Checking out DSP-Tremor now.00:30
lbtmake nokia_2420_defconfig00:30
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lardmanrobink: is there a mk2 directory? That's the code I'm switching to use the built in memory allocation fns00:31
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robinklardman: Ah.  I'm not that familiar with MM concepts, but I think I grokked that.00:32
robinklardman: Nope00:32
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robinkWhat's the name of the TI dsp toolchain?00:34
lardmancheck out the dsp programming page on the wiki for a link00:34
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lardmanah, I was supposed to update that too, dneary will kill me00:34
robinklardman: Thanks.00:34
mulvahi, where can I find the previous versions of Xournal?00:38
lardmanoops, just deleted my local and only existing branch00:38
lardmanI shouldn't try using svn when tired00:38
RST38hmulva: chinook extras?00:38
lcuk:S lardman00:39
lcuklost actual code?00:39
b0unc3guys, is kismet avaiable for n810 ?00:39
lardmanlcuk: yeah, all gone00:39
lcukoh poo!00:40
lardmanlcuk: only an evening's work though, so not so bad00:40
lcukjournaling fs?00:40
lardmanext3 I think00:40
lcukcant you roll back from some of these?00:40
lardmanI just did a quick Google and didn't see anything positive00:40
lcukor is it simply not worth the effort00:40
lardmannot to worry, it was just converting the code to get rid of stack allocations, it can be done again00:41
lcukboo, ive got a branch of liqbase on the boil.  think im gonna backup now ;)00:41
lcuklardman, pm by the way00:42
lardman:) slow as ever00:43
lbtanyone compiled the kernel? make menuconfig is having problems...00:43
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lbtit's a typical 'missing libncurses' problem - but libncurses is there!00:44
jottlbt: -dev package missing?00:44
robinkWhich version of the TI DSP toolchain do I want?00:44
lbtnope - that's there00:45
lbtit compiles OK - but won't link00:45
lbtI found this:
lardmanrobink: one for C55 DSPs if possible00:45
lbtwhich looks v.similar00:45
lbtbut my .so is symlinked00:46
robinklardman: Gotcha.00:46
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robinkOh wait, hmm.  There's a link to a toolchain for the C54xx...00:47
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lardmanrobink: hang on, I'll take a look00:51
dannymlbt: doesn't work for me either, but it can't ever...00:54
dannymlbt: because "" is for the ARM architecture...00:54
dannymlbt: if you are running it under Scratchbox with ARM target which I suppose you do...00:54
lbtI'm in an arm scratchbox00:54
lbtdoesn't quemu take care of that?00:55
lardmanrobink: top one
dannymlbt: magically? I don't think so... there may be a way to set it up to do so, but I doubt there's a qemu hook in :)00:56
robinklardman: Thanks.00:56
robinkBBL, doctor.00:56
lardmanrobink: please give me feed back about the dsp programming page, it's been a long time since I was there00:57
dannymjohnx: interesting :)00:57
johnxI know I used make menuconfig in sb before00:57
lbtjohnx: I was *soo* close...00:57
lardmanthere as in starting from scratch that is, not just not editing it for ages ;)00:57
johnxI don't remember if I used that method...00:57
zanshinAnyone who know what this error means:omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane?00:57
zanshinI'm doing the debian-nit project on a 770 but Xomap won't start00:58
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lbtgot it - thanks johnx00:58
johnxah zanshin, are you using the Xomap binary straight from OS2008?00:59
lbtwhere's that damn wiki....00:59
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zanshinJohnx: No, that one is working, more or less. dbus gives some errors. I build debian-nit manually with Stskeeps. I've got it booting now(more or less).01:01
dannymdoes anyone have experience how Maemo connectivity determines which interfaces to check?01:01
dannymI have a new interface "hso0" up and a default route via it, when I do "ping" or whatever on the device, it works...01:02
johnxzanshin, very cool :)01:02
zanshinjohnx: there is a dbus check which checks for kernels higher then 2.6.18, I removed it :). So now it continues to boot. I don't know the effects of that :)01:02
dannymbut when I start the browser and try surfing, the connectivity GUI will pop up, thinking it's not connected...01:02
johnxdannym, you might need to trick it by making an ad-hoc wifi connection and then manually doing ifconfig wlan0 down after that01:03
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johnxdannym, that should make it happy01:03
zanshinjohnx: do you have any idea what the error could cause?01:04
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johnxzanshin, hmmm, I definitely haven't seen that error on n8x0 hardware...01:05
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zanshinomapCardInit on google return 0 hits, that's encouraging :)01:12
johnxzanshin, I know the feeling :)01:13
johnxdid you end up setting the fb_update mode to something besides auto during boot?01:13
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zanshinjohnx:[  608.166320] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 100x30 this is what I can find in the log01:17
johnxaaah, 100x30 characters not pixels :)01:18
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zanshinI can set it to manual. How does the command work?01:20
johnxso you're using the OS2006 Xomap right?01:20
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johnxwell if you haven't set it to anything it should already be manual01:20
johnxIIRC, fb_update_mode manual01:20
zanshinI have copied it to the filesystem.01:20
zanshinwell I did that and that works01:21
balrog-k1nhey, where are the values stored which libcal reads on n800 and n810?01:21
balrog-k1ni thought it was in the onenand OTP area but apparently it reads them from somewhere else01:21
zanshinit says:mode set to manual01:21
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johnxzanshin, does it say anything in dmesg?01:22
lardmannight all01:22
balrog-k1nalso those reported by bt-cal and wlan-cal01:22
zanshin[ 2166.036376] hwa742: setting update mode to manual01:22
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balrog-k1nand cal-tool (on the initfs)01:23
zanshin1: OMAP X server01:23
zanshinthat's the one installed01:23
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dannymthere, "dput" for Gentoo Linux: <> ;)01:35
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dannymgood night...01:37
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mcranyone know what happened to: maemo ruby? the site is gone... but I'm hoping someone has the dpkg src files...01:58
GAN800alterego hasn't been around in forever01:58
jott~seen alterego02:01
infobotalterego <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 152d 6h 44m 3s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get back up.'.02:01
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jotti guess this saturday never came :/02:02
gregorovius__how long has it taken usually to port apps when a new os release is out?02:03
jottgregorovius__: hard to tell now with the new (more portable) extras.02:04
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gregorovius__why more portable? I'm quite new to internet tablets/maemo02:05
jottgregorovius__: because now source packages have to be uploaded for extra packages.02:06
zanshinjohnx: I think it has something to do with permisions. Do you know which files Xomap tries to access?02:06
jottan new os release should basically just imply to recompile those packages.02:06
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gregorovius__I see. But right now, the ''extra'' repo in my diablo tablet is quite empty. I installed pidgin and ogg support, but those are from chinook02:07
gregorovius__they seem to be compatible, though02:07
jottgregorovius__: it's quite new and chinook did not introduce any big library changes.02:08
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jott(so nearly all chinook packages should work)02:08
jottlet the extras repository a bit time to grow :)02:08
gregorovius__is it safe to use chinook packages, or may I experience some breakage?02:09
jottin general it should work, but that does not mean that there may be some bad packages out there.02:09
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jottso pay attention on what you install and you should be fine :)02:10
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gregorovius__good to know, thanks02:13
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robinkMan, Webkit-GTK is driving me nuts.02:14
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nomisuh, seems even dbus-glib does not make dbus nice.02:17
nomisbefore being able to connect to a signal one has to add the signal to the proxy. To be able to actually marshal the signal you need to add a marshaller. Of course the marshaller I need has to be generated with glib-genmarshal. Grgh.02:19
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robinkWhere's lardman's DSP programming page?02:21
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robinkAlso, anyone know which OMAP 3xxx CPU will likely be used in the next-generation N.+?02:29
GeneralAntillesif anything02:29
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ds33430 does have a TI DSP02:34
ds3just a different one02:34
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robinkThe IVA2 is a TI DSP?02:36
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ds3let me rephase that.. yes if that is the DSP block...there are so many blocks in the OMAP302:42
ds3it is the same TI dsp that is in the 243002:42
balrog-k1nwell, iva is a dsp, but it's the one to be used as a GPU02:48
balrog-k1nit's an ARM02:48
balrog-k1nthere's separately from iva, the C55x dsp02:48
balrog-k1niva -> imaging and video accelerator02:49
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ds3it should be a C64x02:54
ds31 64x+,ARM Cortex-A802:55
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balrog-k1nds3: one C= 64 :D03:05
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robinkbalrog-k1n: Wikipedia doesn't mention the fact that the 3430 has a TI DSP.03:35
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ds3this is a public page that says it -03:38
balrog-k1npossibly the C55x is only for OMAP1 and OMAP2, while omap3 is only a couple of ARMs now03:40
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balrog-k1nds3: i'm not sure how to interpret this, i.e. whether the DM64xx is on the same chip or external03:40
robinkds3: That page doesn't make it explicit that the DSP is on the CPU die.03:41
robinkoops, what balrog-k1n said.03:42
balrog-k1ni think it isn't, but if you click "Texas Instruments OMAP3430.." it takes you to a TI page showing four cores03:42
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balrog-k1nshould be enough :)03:42
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balrog-k1nfour core "..ought to be enough for anyone"03:47
ds3robink: it is on chip.03:49
ds3problem is there is a mind field of NDAs that prevent a full discussion03:49
robinkds3: Ah.03:49
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* robink waits for the AD BF548 BSP to become affordible.03:52
robink(I think it's the 548)03:52
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smackpotatoso how long04:09
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rm_youjott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: so I took my n800 shopping today04:19
rm_youscanned all kinds of random shit04:19
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rm_youbasically 75%+ of the stuff I scanned came up perfectly...04:22
rm_yougeneric (store brand) generally didnt work04:23
rm_youbut most of the non-storebrand stuff worked, even things i thought might be obscure04:23
rm_youa very few items are having some kind of character encoding issue04:23
smackpotatoso there is a development board for the omap3 can a nokia product be far behind04:23
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aspectrm_you: scanned? as in barcodes?04:24
ds3there is a bar code scanning app using the N800 camera?04:27
jottyes :)04:27
ds3got name?04:27
ds3which is?04:28
jottmaemo-barcode :)04:28
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jottrm_you: nice. it would be good to add unknown codes and push them back to the upcdatabase when tagged properly.04:29
ds3hmmm no released files04:37
rm_youds3: it is in SVN04:37
rm_youds3: working binary... err04:37
rm_you~lart infobot with a large trout04:38
* infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down infobot with a large trout's throat until infobot with a large trout puts on 150lbs04:38
ds3i want to know if works significantly better then the one for the Treo04:38
rm_youds3: grab the database here:
rm_youds3: and the binary from... err, jott, where is your binary?04:38
rm_youi think yours was newer or something?04:39
ds3rm_you: no time to drag in the entire SDK just to build one app04:39
jott i think :)04:39
rm_youds3: yeah we have a binary04:39
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ds3will that work on chinook?04:39
rm_youds3: maybe? >_>04:39
jottit should04:39
ds3this is one of the times I wish i put wget on my n80004:40
jottremember to fetch the database, otherwise it will reboot the device ;P04:40
ds3where does the db go?04:40
rm_youds3: same directory as the binary04:40
jottin the same dir04:40
rm_youds3: or symlink it in04:40
rm_youds3: it unpacks to about 70MB04:40
ds3okay... does it work from /home/user/foo/? or does it need to be some place specific?04:40
rm_youjott: it really shouldn't reboot, it should just fail and return "unknown/unknown"04:40
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rm_youds3: that should be fine04:41
jottbut you get all the fancy vagi^H^H^H^H products to lookup04:41
ds3cool, I'll try it tonight04:41
jottds3: and i guess we could improve recognition rate even more.04:41
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rm_youit had problems with glare, not sure if that is fixable04:42
rm_youbut grocery store lighting is really glare-prone04:42
rm_youand some of the rounded barcodes were difficult to just not working right04:42
rm_youlike on cans and jars04:42
jottrm_you: currently it's just a moving average to filter out noise and some shadows.04:43
rm_youand on this thing of turkey i bought, the bardcode had like, a bump where the turkey ended, so it never scanned04:43
jottyeah curved surfaces are ugly :/04:43
ds3the treo one is a balancing act between the lens's macro capability (none)/the size and the number of pixels available04:43
jottbut i see employees at the pos screwing up with the barcodes all th etime :)04:44
jottds3: yeah, well the n8x0 cameras suck, but amazingly still seem to work pretty well with the barcodes if you hold them right04:45
jottbut noise is a big problem.04:46
rm_youthe pos devices at the store must have some crazy algorithms04:46
jottand of course out of focus too..04:46
rm_youbecause the do-it-yourself ones are amazingly accurate and simple04:47
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jottrm_you: they use lasers which safes quite some work ;)04:47
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jottthe don't have to do all this fancy image pre-processing ;)04:48
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rm_youheh yeah04:50
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pupnikat least stores generally have good lighting04:50
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ds3jott: have you seen the Treo650?04:50
jottds3: only once.04:51
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ds3ah, guess I will see04:52
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sin18for maemo mapper, i have downloaded some maps but how would i co-relate the directory with 'cache db' field in manage repositories ?05:10
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brontideIs it possible to use hildon banners in a headless application?05:52
brontideor do i still need a gtk.main()05:52
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brontideGotit.... using osso.system_note_infoprint can be used with only a osso_context and no gtk.main()06:02
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balboaanyone know the proper settings to put into internet call for a gizmo sip call? i keep getting rejected call from some numbers06:03
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balboai thought maybe my config for internet call was wrong06:03
balboaanyone know why that might be occuring?06:04
Proteoushaven't really used gizmo06:05
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HrwI use standard 'internet call' app not gizmo06:10
pupnik  "Linux Symposium Statistics" (funny)06:12
balboageneral, what does it mean when my call is rejected?06:12
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pppoe_dudecan transmission power on the n810 be reduced to less than 10mw?07:47
pppoe_dude(for wifi that is)07:47
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pppoe_dudeperhaps with iwconfig?07:53
pupnikcool, optibike has bluetooth: PDA Interface Picture.JPG07:55
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pppoe_dudewhat exactly is chinook?08:11
pppoe_dudecan i install wireless-tools on my os2008?08:11
RST38hChinook is a version of OS200808:12
bef0rdChinook is the name of the previous version of OS200808:12
RST38hDiablo is a later version of OS200808:12
bef0rdCurrent is Dialblo08:13
RST38hYou can install wireless-tools.08:13
pppoe_dudeok so if my apt sources say chinnok, does that mean i can install wireless-tools from the chinook repo?08:13
RST38hBut they won't be of much help if you are going to sniff08:13
RST38hOk, never mind08:13
pppoe_dudei want to try to reduce txpower08:13
RST38hJust install them from chinook repo08:13
pppoe_dudei am editing sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list08:15
pppoe_dudeis that correct?08:15
pppoe_dudesources.list seems to be blank08:15
pppoe_dudeor should i add to it instead?08:16
pppoe_dudemaybe i should stick with the gui for now08:16
Proteousfrom what I remember, reducing the wifi power didn't realy help battery life08:17
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pppoe_dudeProteous, trying it for different reasons08:18
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pppoe_dudemainly to see if i can bring it down to less than 10mW and if so, would be nice08:18
pppoe_dudeand how it would work at <10mW08:19
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ProteousI'm currently doing a test to see how long I can keep an edge cellphone teather going08:22
Proteousbeen 4 hours so far and batteries are still full08:23
pppoe_dudei still can't install wireless-tools08:23
pppoe_dudeeven in red pill mode08:23
pppoe_dudei.e. can't find the package08:23
Proteousmostly just keeping a ssh connection up08:23
pppoe_dudedo i need to do anything special other than add follow the instructions on RST38h ?08:25
Italodanceguys diablo apps can work on chinnok too?08:30
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JZAhi anyone here08:32
JZAI need some help, I am trying to upgrade to Diablo and I got this on the flasher-3.008:33
JZAWrite failed after 0 bytes08:33
JZAusb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable08:33
pppoe_dude:( *08:34
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pppoe_dudeit seems like the repository should have it, but in fact it doesn't.. perhaps i will need to manually download08:35
JZAI did some googling and they suggest to remove the memory card but they are already removed08:35
pppoe_dudeactually it is downloadable for os2007, but not for 2008 it seems08:35
pppoe_dudeis it bad practice to install something meant for os2007 on os2008?08:36
pppoe_dudecan I manually browse a repo?08:39
JZAyeah just go to the site08:39
pppoe_dudegiving me access denied08:40
JZAlook on the wiki08:41
pppoe_dudenitapps seems to have it for download08:41
pppoe_dudegona try that08:41
pppoe_dudehope it doesn't mess up my apt08:41
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Khertan_n810Hi !08:47
pppoe_dudek... done08:48
pppoe_dudealthough it seems like iwconfig wlan0 txpower doesn't do anything08:48
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Italodancediablo apps can work on chinnok too?08:50
Khertan_n810some packages aren't recommended08:51
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Italodancewell can it hurts my chinook?08:52
Khertan_n810but why not use diablo ?08:52
Italodanceit needs flash yes?08:54
Italodanceor just a simple update?08:54
Italodancewhich one?08:55
pppoe_dudeit seems like this is futile for some reason08:56
pppoe_dudeiwlist txpower returns wlan0     unknown transmit-power information.08:57
pppoe_dudewonder if it's a hardware issue :/08:57
pppoe_dudebut how does the gui change it from 100 to 10mw then?08:57
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Spaceman-N810Anyone around?09:00
pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, i am hehe09:01
pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, i finally got an n81009:02
pppoe_dudenow just fiddling with iwconfig to see if i can change txpower09:02
pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, it's definitely a nice toy09:02
Spaceman-N810Mine has been really glitchy lately though09:03
pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, how so?09:03
pppoe_dudei'm beginning to fill it up with junk tho09:03
pppoe_dudewireless-tools don't seem to work properly09:03
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Spaceman-N810Nav randomly crashes web is resetting options and dropping cookies, gpe is having malformed db issues09:03
RST38hthey will not09:03
pppoe_dudeRST38h, why not?09:04
pppoe_dudethere is a way to change txpower i am sure, because the gui does it, but restricts you to 10 or 100 mW09:04
RST38hnokia wifi driver is proprietary and does not seem to support many features09:04
pppoe_dudeah that might explain it09:04
Spaceman-N810What about aircrack?09:05
pppoe_dudewhat;s aircrack?09:05
RST38hspaceman: search for it on itt09:05
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pppoe_dudeRST38h, well any ideas how the nokia driver might do it?09:05
RST38hprobably wont work09:05
RST38hpppoe: nope09:05
Spaceman-N810It would have to be compiled for an arm proc, no?09:06
pppoe_dudeoh well09:06
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Spaceman-N810I'm hoping someone compiles ubuntu mobile for ARM09:06
pppoe_dudemaybe 10 mW isn't bad for health09:06
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pppoe_dudebut apparently cell phones don't even transmit at that most of the time09:07
pppoe_dudealthough it's been very hard for me to find good comparison charts09:08
Spaceman-N810Oh, and this thing randomly tells me im out of space09:08
ds3there is a ARM Ubuntu09:08
pppoe_dudei think perhaps the most thing i like about my new toy is the little colour LED in the corner09:08
Spaceman-N810I wonder how much an 8gb minisd card is at bestbuy and the like09:09
Spaceman-N810Pppoe_dude - i turned mine off09:09
RST38hmore than by mailorder09:09
Spaceman-N810Bugs me when i try to sleep09:09
pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, really? :)09:09
tank-manprobably 2x cost at bestbuy09:09
pppoe_dudekeeps me company09:10
pppoe_dudei hate uncertainty09:10
pppoe_dudelike... i wanna use my tablet to make phone calls, but i'm not sure if the headset carries the RF like an antenna09:10
Spaceman-N810Rst - hard to do using only this n81009:10
pppoe_dudelike some articles speculated09:10
Spaceman-N810My mom took my laptop for reading bash.org09:11
pppoe_dudeim just paranoid. i should probably not be as paranoid09:11
pppoe_dudeif i had one of those power meters that measure RF radiation i can be sure09:11
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Spaceman-N810Oh, and my battery meter doesn't update any more09:12
Spaceman-N810I need to reflash09:12
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pppoe_dudeSpaceman-N810, probably09:12
Spaceman-N810But that's rather hard to do with no computer09:12
pppoe_duden810 is like a computer09:12
Spaceman-N810I can't reflash a device using itself...09:13
tank-manmaybe if you had two of them09:14
Spaceman-N810Unless there's a voodoo trick i don't know about09:14
pppoe_dudeif geeks are more likely to use wifi, then it makes sense that _if_ wifi causes health problems, then it would be correlated to geekiness, no?09:14
pppoe_dudeanyway, i wonder when os2009 will come out09:15
Spaceman-N810You walk into wificlouds all the time and never know about it or utilize it09:15
RST38hwifi is not causing health problems.09:15
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Spaceman-N810But it may still effect you, assumint it causes health problems09:16
pppoe_dudeim gona have fun with my new toy09:16
RST38hwell, if you assume certain things you can deduce a lot of weird stuff09:16
RST38hbut if you think of it a bit more you will see that 100mW is equivalent to 2 small leds09:18
pppoe_dudeya but the frequency is higher09:18
pppoe_dudeim not sure, not an expert09:18
RST38hyou are still not being irradiated with enough energy to cause any changes09:19
pppoe_dudebut i know that microwaves are bad09:19
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pppoe_dudesometimes bad anyway09:19
RST38hand 100mW is at the surface of you skin when holding the antenna09:19
pppoe_dudehow much radiation is emitted from CRT screens?09:20
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RST38hmaybe if you stick it in some bodily orifice....for days...09:20
RST38hpppoe: cant say for sure, check google09:20
rm_youAnyone here who has booked plane travel for the summit with the sponsorship?09:20
pppoe_dudeseems like a different kind of radiation09:22
RST38hcrts give out some xrays I think09:22
RST38hnot a lot though09:22
pppoe_dudeplus normal radiation09:25
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pppoe_dudemy grandpa used to sit in front of his ol' crt tv for hours09:26
pppoe_dudehe lived til like.. 90 somthing09:26
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pppoe_dudequod erat demosntrandum09:26
pppoe_dudemind you he was a happy man09:26
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pppoe_dudewhy would we be not allowed to use GPS on airplanes?09:29
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pppoe_dudei mean, isn't it receive-only?09:30
kulveis it denied somewhere? I don't recall seeing anything denying it..09:30
rm_youi have been on planes where it is in the "ALWAYS DENIED" list09:33
rm_youand also where it was in the "after takeoff" list09:33
rm_youso... >_>09:33
kulvein our flights, wireless transmissions are denied always and electronic devices during the take offs and landings, but nothing denies using electronic devices during the flight09:34
kulveincluding gps09:34
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tank-mani see those 'restrictions' as bullshit , if cell phones/ bt/ gps was a real concern on planes, a terrorist could use those to take it down09:34
rm_youyeah "omg i'm a terrorist, i turned on my wifi, FEEL MY WRATH!!!"09:35
* rm_you waits09:35
RST38hbt/gps are no real concern on the planes09:36
tank-manwater bottles are more dangerous than cell phones acourding to airport security09:36
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RST38hcell phones may be of some concern when initiating a call09:36
RST38hThe current restrictions are based on inconclusive study results, FAA just decided to err on the side of safety09:36
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tank-manso a real terrorist would have to follow the hounor rule and not use his cell ph09:37
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RST38hthere are so many things a real terrorist can do, that in 10 more years they will have to strip passengers naked, fixate them in their seats and sedate them for the duration of the flight09:40
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rm_youi wouldnt mind being unconscious09:42
rm_youthat would be neat actually09:42
rm_youi'm totally down09:42
tank-manyou mean like in the movie 5th element?09:43
tank-manfly while "asleep"09:43
XTLiPlane full ofr unconscious and naked people, 12hrs...09:43
Spaceman-N810No cell phones has nothing to do w terrorism09:43
rm_youi would love to be put to sleep for the duration of my flight09:43
rm_youi'd *PAY* for that service09:43
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Spaceman-N810Has to do w interfering with comm and navigation instruments09:43
RST38hSpaceman: Does not really09:44
RST38hThere was a study. Its results were inconclusive.09:44
XTLiI think they're more likely to put v-chips or shock collars on all passengers and assign guards09:44
rm_youSpaceman-N810: right, but we're just saying, if it was ACTUALLY a big deal, terrorists would just turn on their cell phones09:44
RST38hXTLi: too expensive09:44
Spaceman-N810Ah, i get it rm_you09:44
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tank-manyea, so the reason for no bt/gps/wifi usage is bullshit09:45
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Spaceman-N810Would rather err to caution than screw up critical nav components09:47
tank-mani'm sure a trouble maker/terrorist is thinking the same thing09:48
RST38hYour chances of screwing nav components are very close to nil09:48
RST38hProbably lower than chances of a bird flying into your airplane's engine09:48
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Spaceman-N810Rst - that actually happens09:49
RST38hYes. And the first event does not =)09:49
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RST38hSo, if you ARE gonna die in an airplane crash, the reasons are likely to be mechanical =)09:50
Spaceman-N810So basically, your arguement is - the studies are inconclusive, and the terrorists do it, so just allow cell phones on planes...09:50
lardmanwell in low vis conditions I'd still prefer to not have the ILS screwed with09:51
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lardmanhi trickie|work09:51
trickie|worklardman: moring09:51
trickie|workmorning even09:52
trickie|workno coffee yet09:52
Spaceman-N810Also, the probability of a cell phone actually working at 30,000ft are not good, considering that communication with a tower is line of sight09:52
tank-manwhat i am saying is if those interference reasons are valid, they would not let you carry on a cell ph in the cabin, they would make in check it in09:52
lardmanSpaceman-N810: I thought the issue was that the phone would see too many towers...?09:52
RST38hSpaceman: My argument is that if you can't prove something happening then do not assume it does09:52
pupnikalso i think towers use directional xmitters - not much energy aimed up09:53
XTLiGsm at least09:53
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lardmanThey have done studies which show there is no interference anyway, but I suppose it's partly being safe rather than sorry, perhaps something to do with seeing too many towers, and a way of making you use the very expensive card phones too ;)09:53
Spaceman-N810Rst, consider too that there are so many different devices that yhou can't test all of them09:54
RST38hSpaceman: Actually you can09:54
RST38hSpaceman: That is what FCC is for09:54
Spaceman-N810So all devices have to be retested...09:54
lardmansome of us don't live in the US09:54
RST38hNot really09:54
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RST38hlardman: Then it is called differently where you live, but all electronics still gets tested09:55
lardmanRST38h: hopefully09:55
RST38hSpaceman: Once again: testing results for the current breed of devices satisfying FCC limits on emissions have been inconclusive09:55
RST38hNo need to retest09:55
Spaceman-N810Inconclusive != Safe.  Inconclusive != Unsafe.  Calls for good judgement, and the faa has used their best judgement on the matter09:57
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RST38hExactly. And we all ended up with moronic restrictions that do not do a thing.09:57
Spaceman-N810Honestly, does it kill people this much to not use their phones for a few hours?09:58
tank-manwhy take the risk of even allowing passengers having wifi devices/cell phones inside the cabin? common sense tells me cause it isnt a risk09:58
Spaceman-N810There's too many variables09:59
RST38htank: It is just an oversight09:59
RST38hThey all have ot be confiscated09:59
RST38hSpaceman: Regulations don't kill people, just bugger them to death09:59
Spaceman-N810So does life...10:00
RST38hNo reason to make it harder.10:00
Spaceman-N810By not allowing cell phones?10:00
Spaceman-N810I work a drive thru.  I hate the buggers like you have no idea10:01
RST38hBy not allowing people on a 12-hour flight to use electronics10:01
Spaceman-N810Just think of the rude ppls of this world10:01
RST38hBy taking their water and toothpaste and juice10:01
lardmanSpaceman-N810: You want a GSM signal blocker then :)10:02
RST38hBy searching them like if they were terrorist10:02
Spaceman-N810Imagine a 500lb woman w a beard having phone sex next to you10:02
RST38hBy confiscating f@#king hairpins from stewardesses (yes, it happens)10:02
Spaceman-N810Signal blockers are illegal, unfortunately10:02
Spaceman-N810Ok, so we've made a jump10:02
Spaceman-N810Between safety and anti-terror10:03
Spaceman-N810They overlap in some wayhs10:03
RST38hBy making them take off their shoes (!) and unbag their computers at the head of a2-hour line in the airport10:03
Spaceman-N810But not all10:03
* ricko73 stabs Spaceman-N810 for that lovely thought as I go to bed10:03
RST38hShould I continue?10:03
Spaceman-N810Sure, why not?10:03
lardmanthe rules are silly, especially the plastic knives10:03
tank-manenjoy your safety10:04
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KhertanHi !10:05
Spaceman-N810Well, think of it this way.  A terrorist is not concerned with the way something is designed to be used, but the way it can be used10:05
RST38hSpaceman: One more time: just about ANYTHING can be used to cause harm10:05
Spaceman-N810A plastic knife is designed to be used to cut green beans, but it can be sharpened10:06
RST38hAnd once you start making assumptions that it WILL be used, there is no end10:06
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lardmanSpaceman-N810: terrorists should use Newark then, you can eat your steak airside with a steak knife10:06
RST38hMy car key can be sharpened and used ot kill you in-flight10:06
ricko73don't pull out your stylus on the N81010:06
RST38hOr I can take your eye out with a pencil10:06
Spaceman-N810I think it's a little crazy too, but it's life, and i get used to it, specifically by not flying...10:07
RST38hWait until you succumb to sleep in your seat, you know...10:07
RST38hSpaceman: Oh, you are not flying...10:07
lardmanthe main annoyance is the 100ml rule (3oz is that?)10:07
Spaceman-N810Rst, i choose to fly in cessnas...10:07
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Spaceman-N810And not often, i don't have my license yet10:08
RST38hSpaceman: And those are more safe? No terorists aboard? :)10:08
KhertanFinally i found time to come to berlin ...10:08
Khertanmaybe i still can get sponsorship10:08
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XTLiWell-regulated at least10:09
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Spaceman-N810Rst - pretty sure10:10
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lardmanis there a handy C fn to return the fractional part of a number (other than using fmod() or subtracting the floor()'d value?)?10:18
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dnearylardman: Subtracting the floor is where it's at10:27
dnearyAt least, I've never seen anything better10:27
dnearyfloor on a float should be quick though, should "just" be discarding the decimal bits (I can never remember if the mantissa is the bit before or after the decimal point)10:27
lcuk_zzzlardman, ive seen some routine which uses bitshifts and masks, but that was a loooooooong time ago10:28
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lardmandneary: yeah, that's what I'd assumed from the lack of responses, thanks :)10:28
lcukmornin dneary10:29
dnearylardman: I would have assumed "no-one around" myself ;)10:29
lardmanlcuk: sounds nasty10:29
lardmandneary: ah well :)10:29
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dnearylardman: And, in general, manipulating floats with bitshifts is dangerous...10:29
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lcukwould work though - depending on the hardware you get speed10:29
lardmandneary: yeah tell me about it, that's how Octave used to fail to detect the endianness of the Sharp Zaurus10:30
dnearylcuk: AFAIK, you need to assume some kind of in-memory representation of floats - IEEE is probably safe enough for most processors & OSes, but not all10:30
lardmannot for fpa though10:30
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lardmanfpa is always bigendian, no matter the processor endianness10:31
RST38hlardman: modf()10:31
RST38hBreaks the floating-point number x into integer and fraction components.10:31
RST38hThe returned value is the fraction component (part after the decimal), and sets integer to the integer component.10:31
RST38hdouble modf(double x, double *integer);10:32
lardmanRST38h: thanks, I was after something without a struct returned, plus that's probably overkill10:33
dnearyRST38h: Yes, that will work too. Is modf C89/C99?10:33
RST38hManual says it is part of math.h10:34
RST38hNothing more10:34
lardmanmodulus is slow though10:34
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RST38hNot really10:36
RST38hfmod is modulus 10 and that is usually easy to do given float representation10:36
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lbtmorning all10:47
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dnearyWhat's that function to get current time in miliseconds?10:47
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dnearyI thought it was utime10:47
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lbtthat's file access time IIRC10:48
dnearyFigured that out from the man page :)10:48
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XTLiThinking of usleep maybe10:49
Khertanpffff my mantis bugtracker has just been spammed10:49
XTLiI'd start from gettimeofday but can't remember details10:49
luognidneary, gettimeofday?10:49
dnearyI'm timing a function, want to get mili or microseconds rather than seconds10:50
dnearygettimeofday might do...10:51
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dnearythanks luogni10:51
dnearyalso ftime?10:51
XTLiI imagine there's timing tools, too. Or at least recipes10:51
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RST38hftime() is obsoleted10:52
RST38hby gettimeofday()10:52
RST38hdneary, there is no way to do it properly for one function run10:53
RST38hclock() works in terms of context switches10:53
lardmanprocess time then?10:53
RST38hfor one function call? :)10:54
lardmanor number of switches?10:54
RST38hprocess time10:54
XTLiGprof? :)10:54
RST38halthough it is still related to the number of scheduler switches10:54
RST38hgprof is a better idea but unless that function gets called often you will not get good results10:54
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dnearylardman: How does the floor bit work for negative numbers?11:00
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dnearylard: Do you need round() instead?11:00
dneary-3.1 - floor(-3.1) = 0.911:00
Khertan294,51 Euros to come to berlin ...11:01
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Khertanoh! there is also ACCESS at osimworld11:03
dnearyKhertan: Yup11:03
dnearyYou know people at access?11:03
Khertanno .. :)11:03
lardmandneary: floor is ok as I'm always positive, thanks though11:04
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dnearylardman: Looks like floor is a little slower than modf11:08
lardmanjott: good to see11:12
JaffaMorning, all11:14
RST38hhello, Jaffa11:14
lardmanhi Jaffa11:14
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Khertaneasyjet : 142 Euros ... AirFrance : 300 Euros11:20
Khertanchoice is fast to made :)11:20
lardmanI bet Air France give you a free drink though ;)11:20
qwerty12I'm just guessing here... but I predict AirFrance?11:20
qwerty12lardman: btw, sorry about last night. my router got turned off. /me fumes.11:21
qwerty12"qwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder?"11:21
qwerty12Yes :/11:22
qwerty12And sorry for bringing it up, I can see this doesn't go down well at this time :/11:24
X-FadeKhertan: I have remove your 0.7* packages for homeip.11:24
lardmanqwerty12: no, that's ok11:25
X-FadeKhertan: But still need to force a reindex to get the index updated.11:25
lardmanqwerty12: interesting, I'd thought the outputs were identical11:25
lardmanqwerty12: can you send me the file, or a part of the file to test with?11:25
qwerty12lardman: Yeah, sure, but first I need to let the N800 charge up, I don't keep tracks on the computer :)11:26
lardmanyeah no probs, this evening is fine11:26
qwerty12Great, thanks11:26
* lardman prepares his eardrums for a beating :)11:27
qwerty12Hehe :P11:27
lardmanso what is the difference in the sound then?11:28
qwerty12the normal encoder plays it quite normally, but with the dsp-sbc, it goes quite distorted i.e I can't really hear the lyrics11:29
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lardmanso not a speed problem then?11:29
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lardmanis it clipped, do you hear static11:29
lardmanhi hrw11:29
qwerty12lardman: No, the speed is fine. I don't seem to remember hearing any static. I'll grab the headphones and try again later to make sure11:30
lardmanqwerty12: no worries, I'll have a listen this evening and see/hear for myself anyway11:30
qwerty12Meanwhile, I may as well find use for these red bull freebie anaglyph glasses I got at the cinema :P11:31
lardmanwhat film was that?11:32
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qwerty12lardman: I got it when I went to The O2. They had an advert on about the red bull air race and it was in 3d.11:33
* qwerty12 thinks this could be fun on me Nokia :
lardmancool :)11:34
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lardmanbring on the PowerVR so you can get >1fps11:34
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qwerty12:P, Good point actually, dunno about the speed. Still, I may as well have a go, I've gone and made a patch now :P11:35
lardmanI might have to make some of those glasses11:35
lardmanhmm, I think I have a pair in a National Geographic about Mars actually11:35
qwerty12Cool :)11:36
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qwerty12Ouch. The entire Makefile is ripped out >.<. Time to get KDiff running :/11:39
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Blafaselhrw: Happy 035 to me now. 0x20 sounds cooler though ;)11:45
hrwBlafasel: all the best then11:46
hrwlardman: on #oe there was someone interested in building octave11:46
Khertanlol i can search !11:50
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lardmanhrw: I saw his email last week but was away, will reply to him today11:55
lardmanBlafasel: happy birthday11:56
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sounds like a job for you :)
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KhertanX-Fade > does could recruit dev in france on maemo ?12:09
Khertans/does/does nokia12:09
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X-FadeKhertan: I don't know.12:10
Khertando u have get my pv this morning ?12:10
X-FadeKhertan: Yes and I replied in this channel ;)12:10
Khertanlol ... i ll search in the web log :)12:11
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Khertanlol not needed12:11
Khertanthanks a lot x-fade12:11
Khertani ve see that you have deleted the package12:11
dnearyKhertan: You could try indirectly...12:11
Khertandneary> :)12:12
Khertandneary > i ve just send you an email ;)12:12
dnearyKhertan: Opened Hand have recruited in France in the past, and Openismus are looking for people12:12
dnearyKhertan: But you might have to move to Germany for that12:12
Khertanif it just less than 20 times by years ... why not12:13
Khertandneary == nearyd ?12:13
Khertanyes it is ;)12:13
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dnearydneary = dneary12:15
dnearyYou'll have to be clearer :)12:15
Khertanbut don't want to reveal all details about nearyd@12:17
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* bef0rd just upgraded to diablo12:28
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qwerty12ARRGH, I shouldn't have enabled the anaglyph compiz plugin, now my eyes kill >.<12:31
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* qwerty12 is not amused. :P. plascolin compiles for the tablets, now to try and map the buttons...12:35
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qwerty12Hmm, how do I get GDK keyboard values? I can see that 65307 = esc, but xev does not give me 65307 when I press esc.12:43
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nomisqwerty12: it is the "keysym" - xev prints this in hex.12:44
wndqwerty12, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h12:44
qwerty12nomis: Ahh, thanks, I didn't realise.12:45
qwerty12wnd: Even easier, thanks12:45
nomisyeah, using gdkkeysyms.h is the sane way to go.12:45
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jott~lart garage svn for being super slow again12:59
* infobot drops a baby grand on garage svn for being super slow again12:59
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X-Fadejott: It is exporting the www dirs for projects.. Heavy load on svn.13:00
KhertanYes ! i can come to berlin !13:01
Khertanthx to nokia !13:01
jottX-Fade: the commit is still transmitting (over 2 minutes now) :(13:01
* jott hopes not to break stuff with timeouts13:02
Khertanand all people organizating the maemo summit13:02
jottKhertan: nice.13:02
X-Fadejott: Projects like qt4 have a massive repositroy in their homedir. This really kills performance :(13:02
* jott commits to qt4 at the moment :P13:03
X-Fade 6122 ?        D      2:19 svn export --force file:///svnroot/qt4/www /var/www/homedirs/groups/qt413:03
Khertanthis will not help :13:04
jotthehe that's probably  locking the commit ;)13:04
jottor at least stalling it13:04
* jott tries to be patient :)13:04
X-Fadejott: I'm working with Antonio to get it in extras. So we can remove the repo from svn ;)13:05
jottX-Fade: yeah i know. i'm just commiting some nice hildonize/theme patches ;)13:06
X-FadeBut it seems that he forgot to add some build-depends, so it needs to be packaged again.13:06
jottah speaking of. would it be possible to document the autobuilder setup?13:06
jottso one could setup an autobuilder on a local machine to test if everything is in order?13:06
X-FadeWhat do you want to know?13:06
X-FadeThat is easy.13:06
X-FadeClean sdk install.13:06
X-Fadethat is it.13:07
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X-FadeOur autobuilder installs a clean sdk every time. So you start without any dependencies.13:07
jottah ok it just uses the plain sdk.13:07
X-FadeYes, and it downloads only the deps based on your Build-depends etc.13:08
jottstill might be nice to have this automated (like autobuilder already does).13:08
X-FadeSo if it is not in the sdk by default, you need to specify them.13:08
jottyes, sure.13:08
X-FadeDownload the vmware image?13:08
jottCommitted revision 168. woot. still 6 patches to go :)13:09
X-FadeYou can use the same snapshot every time then.13:09
X-FadeHmm, only this one is not updated for diablo it seems.13:10
jottyeah sure but that does not sound very automated ;)13:10
jotti think it would be nice if one could just dput a package to localhost.13:11
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X-Fadejott: Check this autobuilder log. It doesnt't do anything extra.
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X-Fadejott: The incoming queue handling is done with buildme. That is in garage svn too:
jottah nice, thanks.13:14
X-FadeFeel free to improve ;)13:14
rm_youX-Fade: so was it you that told me why i couldnt log in to the wiki?13:15
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X-Faderm_you: Not me.13:16
rm_youit says my account doesnt exist13:19
rm_youbut it totally does >_>13:19
rm_youX-Fade: help? :P13:19
X-Faderm_you: Did you try on https?13:19
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rm_youLogin error:There is no user by the name "rm_you". Check your spelling.13:21
rm_youbut that is my user on every other maemo login13:21
* rm_you is confused13:21
rm_youi'm also a bit tipsy right now so maybe that is it :P13:21
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Khertandon't use the command 'rm' to erase the user 'you'13:23
Khertan.... .... oO°13:23
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crashanddieby the way, isn't that a major bug13:24
X-Faderm_you: And you are sure your passwd is ok? :)13:24
crashanddie"there isno user by the name "$USERNAME""13:24
crashanddieI mean... really ?13:24
crashanddieonce they have the username, they can just start guessing passwords13:24
rm_youX-Fade: fairly13:24
rm_youbut it says no user by the name rm_you13:24
X-FadeI think it also says that when your passwd is wrong.13:25
rm_younone of my passwords work13:26
jottmediawiki says "incorrect password" when the users exists and the password is wrong13:26
rm_youok so i think i am fine13:27
crashanddiejott, which is the correct behaviour13:27
rm_youdowned 4 pints of hef in 10 minutes13:27
X-FadeYou shoudn't be allowed to edit the wiki in that state anyway ;)13:28
* jott actually thought it wasn't allowed to edit a wiki sober :P13:29
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jottyeehaa an other commit done, four to go13:30
rm_youlol yeah, my friend bouyght the pitcher13:31
rm_youand by the time his first glass was empty, so was the pitchetr ^_^13:31
jotttraining for germany, eh? :)13:32
rm_youyeah :P13:32
* towo smirks.13:32
X-Fadejott: Should I kill the svn export ;)13:32
crashanddieI find it amusing how many drunks you find on IRC, when clearly, IRC is nowhere near my drunk-state of mind.13:32
towoOh, the Summit is at C-Base... Okay Oo13:32
X-Fadetowo: Familiar with C-Base?13:32
jottX-Fade: ah let it go, as long as the commits come through i am fine.13:33
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jotttowo: yeah so it's either club mate or beer :)13:33
towoBit of a bugger, since I'm Cologne-based. ;)13:33
crashanddiejott, you want to hit a club in Berlin ?13:34
jotttowo: well it's not *that* far away (compared to rm_yous location for example :)13:34
towoWell, yes, but still. *g*13:35
jottcrashanddie: hm yeah we'll see. maybe we all keep stucked at c-base anyway. you know, music, beer, w-lan. :)13:35
towoHe has motivation, but for me it'd just be a side trip. ;)13:36
crashanddieyou forgot one13:36
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crashanddiejott, liqbase :P13:36
crashanddieWell, I'm really not a clubber13:37
aquatixhm, does maemo have a fat fs check tool by default?13:38
aquatixwindows b0rked my card13:38
crashanddienot by default13:38
crashanddiebut it's in the repo13:38
crashanddieapt-cache search fs | grep tools13:38
Italodancewho's the owner of phonelink here?13:39
towothe owner of phonelink? Oo13:41
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towoThere _might_ be a maintainer here - whose mail address you can look up with apt-cache show phonelink or in the application catalogue with the info screen.13:41
aquatixcrashanddie: ha, i connected over bluetooth and gprs to install dosfstools, is it already installed :)13:41
* aquatix does an fs check13:42
Italodancetowo lol well the creator13:42
crashanddieYou know a cellular service provider is desperate to find arguments to sell their offer when they cite "FREE SIM CARD" as one of the features13:43
aquatixthat's desperate indeed13:43
aquatixlike i'm going to pay for such a chip13:43
aquatixfree sim card with 2GB flashram on board is another story ;)13:44
aquatixmmcblk0 is the external card on n810 right?13:45
glass"bring your own sim-card discount phone service"13:47
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aquatixglass: lol13:48
aquatixhm, dosfsck says `osso_mem_saw_enable failed' :/13:48
kulveaquatix: I thinks the 0 is the internal13:48
kulvemmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc113:49
aquatixwell, same error though13:49
* lardman wonders if there's a weather app which has radar images13:49
crashanddielardman, could be implemented into maemo mapper13:50
lardmanas an overlay, hmm, nice13:50
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lardmanI seem to remember there was some sort of library/skeleton to grab maps, I must see if I can find that (unless Maemo mapper has something similar)13:51
jottmaemo mapper as a more or less generic framework to fetch tile based maps.13:52
jottif you just have one single radar image it might be a bit overhead ;)13:53
lardmanIt would be good to be able to add arbitrary overlays - traffic I saw in the enhancments page, locations of friends from some location api would be good, etc.13:53
lbthave you seen viking
jottlardman: there is something for qt. :)13:56
RST38hmoo, all13:56
lbtit does arbitraty overlays and it's C/gtk+13:56
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aquatixwtf, after a power cycle, the n810 thinks the card is just fine13:57
aquatixoh well13:57
lardmanyeah, that's just the sort of thing that would facilitate some cool apps13:57
lbtI'm sure someone ported it to maemo13:58
lbtI was looking for something to show traces on my desktop (my bt747 GPS arrived - thanks GA)13:58
lbtit's not bad13:58
lardmanhas this (or similar) been implemented anywhere?
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aquatixlardman: replies to have some14:01
aquatixbut i'm not sure whether the server support it14:02
__tjott: crashanddie rm_you there are 3 big clubs less then 500 meters away from c-base.14:02
lardmanaquatix: thanks, I'll take a look14:02
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jott__t: swim to the other waterside? :p14:04
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lcukas long as the river is made of beer i think we should try to swim14:06
__tyeah, or walk on the water. but there is sage-club and the new location of thelegendary tresor on this site of the river14:06
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__tlcuk: its made of beer ... but cheap german lager for export only.14:07
BlafaselBeer? Where? ;)14:07
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lardmanlcuk: bubbles in the river will make you sink14:07
lcuk__t ewww, need to find a better upstream provider14:08
lcukboobies in the river?14:08
lardmanthey float!14:08
lcuklife preserver!14:08
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lbtbeer - ugh. Sweet cocktails.... mmmm14:09
__tno worries, beside the german beers (becks, berliner) we have some tchech beer at c-base called cerna hora.14:09
lcukyer, but you cant put sweet cocktails on your cornflakes14:09
lbtpina-colada and cornflakes sounds good to me...14:10
lcuki shall expect hacker beer14:10
__tlcuk: that's pervert14:10
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lcukwhat the boobies or booze for breakfast?14:10
__tbooze for breakfast is some ok. but not within cornflakes.14:11
Blafasellardman: Seems like that XEP relies on clients mostly14:11
* rm_you watches Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog for like the 10th time14:11
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lardmanBlafasel: Yep, they need to be able to send one another location data from the looks of it14:12
towoInstant fame for Miss Day, that show.14:12
lardmanI was just looking to see if Telepathy supports it, would be cool14:12
pupnikwhat does the maemo summit have to do with c-base?14:12
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jottpupnik: it takes place at c-base :)14:12
lcuklardman, telepathy supports anything.  you just have to believe14:13
lardmanlcuk: believe that someone has implemented it? ;)14:13
lcukit would need a big hole in the head to slide in an 8x014:13
pupniki am going to have to make it there14:14
lcukcycle across germany14:14
Blafasellardman: Cocinella claims to support that14:14
lcukwaving your trusty 81014:14
lardmanI couldn't see any mention of it on the doc pages though14:14
jottpupnik: would be great if you'll manage it.14:14
RST38hlcuk: You can try the bottom socket though14:14
zap_Anybody knows a tool to convert maps from Viking to Maemo Mapper?14:14
lardman is the other one14:14
__tpupnik: how do you know c-base?14:14
pupniknah, i found the db can do super saver tickets for 68 euro round trip all the way to berlin14:14
lcukRST38h, that is an O port only14:14
pupnikfriends in berlin __t - sidux fans, c3 etc14:15
lcukno connector will fit14:15
lardmanBlafasel:*checkout*/coccinella/coccinella/READMEs/README-xmpp it's in there though14:15
rm_yougah they are all sold out of Dr. Horrible T-Shirts14:16
rm_youand i'm drtunk and i want to buy one and i cant damnit14:16
jott__t: do you work at c-base?14:16
* rm_you sighs14:16
lardmanhey rm_you, how's datamatrix support?14:16
* rm_you sighs14:16
rm_youoh that is right14:16
rm_youi thought i was spelling it wrong :P14:16
rm_youlardman: lol it is still... not working14:16
rm_youlook at maemo-datamatrix.c in SVN14:17
rm_youfigure out what is wrong14:17
lardmanjott: you about too?14:17
rm_youyay! :P14:17
rm_youlardman: i took it to the store today14:17
rm_youlardman: about 75% of the stuff in US stores scans14:17
rm_youand comes up in the DB14:17
rm_you75% of the stuff i tried to scan, worked14:17
lardmanoh, we have a db now do we>14:17
jottlardman: yeah the upcdatabase one.14:18
rm_youand 95% of the stuff I scanned that wasn't store-brand actually came up from the db14:18
rm_youhad problems with barcodes on round objects like cans and jars14:18
__tjott: kind of, its not a place to work. its all volonteer based. but I do different stuff there. organising some maemo-summit for example. ;-)14:18
rm_youand things that were kinda bendy14:18
jottbut there are more us products in, not that many german ones.14:18
lcuki can see it now rm, "3 gallon tub of lube" BEEEEP           "multipack small condoms"  BEEEEEEP14:18
rm_youand a little bit of glare14:18
lardmanwe need to work out a way of adding in other barcode methods to the working code - whether each should be sequentially tried, or a quick and dirty test should narrow it down14:18
rm_youlcuk: lol, you have such a dirty mind :P14:19
lcukof course i do14:19
jott__t: ah nice. i have to come around again, hadn't been there since the ubuntu party.14:19
rm_youi want to have a nice working GUI ready for demoing by summit time14:19
lcuki will have a nice working gui :) i can now put multiple scrolling lists on a page and they dont stomp all over each other \o/14:20
__tjott: the party after the linux-tag?14:20
jott__t: yes.14:20
rm_youlcuk: woo14:20
jott__t: but i had been there before some times :).14:20
jott(without a special event)14:20
__tmaybe we seen each other.14:21
rm_youi will be distracted for a bit by the advanced-backlight control panel applet stuff14:21
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rm_youbut then i will be back14:21
lcukrm_you, i had to rewrite most of the drawing routine thou..14:21
rm_youalso, moving back to school >_>14:21
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lardman so many Garage projects I didn't know existed14:22
jott__t: any day/event you would recommend in the next time to come by?14:23
jottlardman: hehe the hidden garage projects :)14:23
lardmanthere was another cool one I was pointed to just before I went away too - allows you to masquerade as a BT headset, etc.14:24
XTLiMaybe there should be an "obscure garage project of the day" feed14:24
XTLilardman:  ooh, I always wanted that14:24
lardman another one14:25
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__tjott: I will be there tomorrow and work on a openser instance for but the electrobiker and the wavelan/freifunk community will also be there14:28
rm_youyay flight confirmed14:28
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lardmanthat last one is un-search-for-able14:29
jott__t: electrobiker? this modded bikes with motors or what is this about?14:30
jottrm_you: when will you arive?14:31
rm_youjott: >_>14:32
rm_youjott: 8:05am14:32
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rm_youand leave at 9:35am on sunday14:33
rm_youso apparently as long as i have some beer in me, i can understand german fairly well :P14:34
rm_youdunno about speaking it and not sounding like a retard tho :P14:34
Khertan... lol14:34
lardmannoch eins?14:34
Khertani would speak mainly in english ... as my german is so bad !14:34
XTLiThat depends on the drunkenness of the listener14:34
BlafaselI don't mind the language as long as the content is interesting or funny. Or both. ;)14:35
lcuki would speak in german with a northern accent14:35
lcukand only be able to ask for a kebab14:35
KhertanBlafasel > it s geek world ... remember :)14:35
XTLiImagine how well people would understand eachother if there was more beer14:35
Khertani mean the summit14:35
rm_youI want to try some lieberkase :P since we heard so much about it in school ^_^14:36
__tjott: yes,
Khertandrunk langage is the same around the world14:36
rm_youi also can't do accents14:36
rm_youerr, umlauts14:36
Blafaselrm_you: leberkaese14:36
rm_youleberkaese? I thought it was just kase witrh an umlaut on the a14:36
dnearyAnyone know where anidel is?14:36
lcukrm_you, of course you can, just hold down your ALT key whilst speaking14:36
Blafaselae is the german umlaut a14:37
rm_youmuch easier :P14:37
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BlafaselA substitute for it.. ae, oe, ue for the related umlauts, ss for szlig - although that tends to bring problems ;)14:38
rm_youif no one minds, i'm gonna go pass out in a sec14:38
Blafaselrm_you: Rest well ;)14:38
X-Fadedneary: Italy?14:38
XTLiI'm liking ipython already...14:38
X-Fadedneary: Wiki says he flies in from Napels to the summit ;)14:38
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jottyippie, X-Fade 1h 45m for 6 consecutive commits ;)14:41
rm_youbefore I go, X-Fade: can you help me figure out why i cant login to the wiki?14:42
jotti bet it's because of the "_" ;)14:43
rm_youi tried just "rmyou" too <_<14:43
rm_youwas hoping maybe it just dropped the _14:44
rm_youbut meh14:44
RST38hmaybe you have to use the_rm_you now....14:44
lcukif(username=="rm_you") randomly_logout();14:44
rm_youi have an rm -r / tshirt14:45
* lcuk puts that code in liqbase14:45
rm_youand non-debian people are always like "you're missing the -f!!!"14:45
jottrm_you: eh? :)14:45
rm_youand i'm like "... debian."14:45
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XTLiLittle Bobby Tables. A classic :)14:46
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aquatixrm_you: rm -r /dev/you14:48
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dnearyX-Fade: He mentioned his girlfriend entered the competition, so I guess he has conflict of interest being on the jury14:50
dnearyrm_you: You should just unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . "14:50
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dnearyrm_you: In case you didn't realise, don't do that!!!14:50
aquatixdneary: shush ;)14:51
qwerty12_N800ha, wo14:51
dnearyI don't want to have anyone fall for a silly joke by accident14:51
qwerty12_N800*do it14:51
rm_youlol even drunk i'm not that stupid :P14:51
dnearyMaybe not you14:51
rm_youX-Fade: i want to log in to the wiki <_<14:51
dnearyThat was for the benefit of everyone else who might be drunk or stupid14:51
rm_youor both :P14:52
qwerty12_N800unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . "; cd /; rm14:52
qwerty12_N800everyone do that ^14:52
* lcuk watches all the southern jessies fall offline14:52
aquatixalias rm='ssh 'rm -r /''14:53
lardmanwhat about: unalias cd; alias cd="rm -rf "; cd /14:53
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rm_youhrm anyone here ever been in the Newark airport?14:54
lardmanyes, day before yesterday14:54
vinilios_at_workis it easy to upgrade to diablo from chinook ? any online guide available ?14:54
jotthow about PROMPT_COMMAND="rm -rf ." :)14:55
RST38hvinilios:Go to, find N810, find Support, find Firmware Update and follow instructions.14:55
* qwerty12_N800 has heard it all. I was stuck in oldham while lardman was on a plane :( :p14:55
XTLi:(){ :|:? };:14:55
vinilios_at_workRST38h, is it available for n800 too ?14:56
rm_youmy current itenerary has me arriving in newark and then my next flight leaves 50 minutes after my arrival14:56
lardmanOldham would have been better than a plane14:56
RST38hsame procedure14:56
rm_youXTLi: lol, bash forkbomb :P14:56
infobotXTLi meant: :(){ :|:& };:14:56
lardmanrm_you: are you in the US?14:56
RST38his forkbomb a standard feature in Debian?14:56
qwerty12_N800lardman, noo, the accents here are horrible!14:56
rm_youdo you think that will be enough time?14:56
XTLiYes :)14:56
rm_youor should i ask for an earlier flight into newark14:57
rm_youeither i have a 50 minute layover or else i have a 4 hour layover <_<14:57
lardmanin which case you should be ok, except that internal flights seem to get delayed quite a bit14:57
RST38hNewark - eeewww14:57
lardmanthe only problems I've had are coming in from the UK - having to go through security check again, etc.14:57
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rm_youah yeah...14:57
rm_youdont have to do that do I?14:57
rm_youor.. hrm14:57
rm_youanyone know? will 50 minutes between flights be ok, assuming i am going from US -> US -> GER?14:58
lcukrm_you, depends on the layout of the airport14:59
rm_youat Newark14:59
lcukparis was tight at an hour cos i had to sprint14:59
RST38hNowadays, even a day may not be enough14:59
lardmanrm_you: takes ~15min to walk from one end to the other afair14:59
rm_youlardman: ok i could sprint that in 514:59
lardmanassuming you stay in the same terminal.....14:59
lcukyou will have to check - if this is arranged as a full transfer enabled flight you should be able to mnake it14:59
rm_youis there paperwork in the airport or anything i have to fill out?14:59
rm_youi will not be checking bags, I think14:59
aquatixrm_you: just shout `bomb!' and you don't have to wonder about getting your plane on time anymore14:59
lcuk"i rm_you am of sanish mind and have disabled the wifi on all my electronic equipment"15:00
lardmanrm_you: you'll have to fill in a form when you enter Germany15:00
RST38hOn the other hand, you may no longer be able to control your destination15:00
qwerty12_N800aquatix, haha, grow a beard too :p15:00
lardmanrm_you: who are you flying with?15:00
lcukRST38h, guantanimo15:00
rm_youContinental, all flightsd15:00
lardmanthat's fine, all in terminal 2 iirc (I flew continental last week)15:01
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rm_youhrm k15:01
lcukrm_you, you shouldnt really be worried about the outbound flight, its the return that you care about: will they let you back in the rountry15:01
lcukcountry even15:01
rm_youheh yeah15:01
lardmanrm_you: where are you flying in from?15:01
rm_youi remember it being fairly painless when i flew from WA -> CALI -> JAPAN15:01
rm_youlardman: TX/SAT -> Newark -> BER15:02
lardmanIs that dallas?15:02
rm_youSan Antonio15:02
lcukrm_you, if they ask you to wear a bracelet, politely decline ;)15:02
RST38hrm_you: Weak point: weather in newark15:02
RST38hrm_you: Even a slight thunderstorm - and you are late for the Berlin flight15:03
lcukthey will wait for him15:03
rm_youlol well15:03
lardman you might come into TermA and then leave from TermB15:03
RST38hnot if he is late for a day15:03
rm_youif my plane wont land, will the other one take off? :P15:03
rm_youif the plane is a day late, i have more serious issues15:04
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rm_youlike, it would crash from lack of fuel :P15:04
lcukyer it will be lighter, the captain will say "thankfully rm_you missed the flight, have a pleasant journey"15:04
lardmanactually continental appear to go from all the terminals, God only knows15:04
rm_youalso, 50 minute vs 4 hour layover wouldnt matter if it was a day late >_>'15:04
rm_youbasically, a 4 hour layover kinda sucks15:04
rm_youbut missing my 50 minute one would suck more15:05
rm_youbut i can hope it will work fine15:05
lcukas long as you book your flight from texas to berlin, the company has to get you there dont they?15:05
rm_youi believe so15:05
rm_youi missed a flight once and it worked out fine15:05
lcukbut if you just book seperate connecting flights its down to you15:05
rm_youtho, that was not international >_>15:05
rm_youi also remember sprinting once15:05
rm_youand barely making the last call15:06
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* lcuk ran through paris cdg - you have to go out of security and back in - its strange, running outside the airport smoking a cig15:06
lcukat amsterdam there was none of that, i had a 2 hour wait and no smoking :(15:07
X-Fadelcuk: Your mistake. There are plenty of places where you can smoke in Amsterdam ;)15:07
* qwerty12_N800 would have thought smoking was encouraged... :p15:08
lcukx-fade thats outside the airport15:08
X-Fadelcuk: Nope. Smoking areas inside the terminal.15:09
* lcuk was like a puppy at a window looking longingly at the cafe culture15:09
lcukx-fade - not what any of the people i asked said15:09
lcukand i didnt see a single one15:09
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dnearyX-Fade: Just not cigarettes15:09
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rm_youX-Fade: can you help me log in to the wiki? >_>15:10
lcukdont security stop you from taking that airside15:10
dnearylcuk: I did see one smoking area in Schipol though15:10
X-Fadelcuk: Well, I've seen multiple. And in bars also. (Although that might be prohibited after July 1st.)15:10
X-Faderm_you: no ;)15:10
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rm_youX-Fade: bah, lol15:10
X-Faderm_you: I have no idea what is going on. Perhaps it is the underscore :D15:10
rm_youX-Fade: can you fix it or something? this is aggrivating <_<15:11
rm_youX-Fade: or at least find out if my user exists15:11
X-Faderm_you: I asked Ferenc. He will look at it when he has time.15:11
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X-Faderm_you: It fetches from garage. So it should.15:11
rm_youdo you not work on the wiki site?15:11
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X-Faderm_you: I can work on it, but Ferenc installed it and maintains it too.15:12
X-Faderm_you: And he coded the garage login module ;)15:12
lcukX-Fade, dneary15:13
rm_youlol k15:13
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rm_younow sleep.15:14
X-Fadelcuk: Hmm you are right:
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rm_youheh, glad i don't smoke, none of that bothers me at all :P15:15
X-FadeYep me too ;)15:15
_marcell_rm_you: there is no rm_you user in the user list page on wiki.maemo.org15:15
_marcell_so it must be the "_"15:15
X-Fade_marcell_: Neither is in the database.15:15
rm_youbut that is my user for garage and everything else15:16
rm_youand I can't like... sign up for the wiki seperately AFAIK15:16
rm_youcan you add me or something? >_>15:16
X-Faderm_you: Please file a bug to the wiki?15:16
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_marcell_I guess that the mediawiki - gforge import thingie did not like the special character in your username15:17
X-Faderm_you: If it is the underscore then we need to fix it for other people too.15:17
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rm_youhrm alright15:18
X-Faderm_you: Think of the added karma ;)15:18
rm_youheh yeah15:18
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rm_younot sure if i did all that right, but whatever :P15:21
rm_youi really do need to sleep now15:21
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jottThe account works on all of (garage, **wiki**, etc) :)15:23
rm_youexpected outcome15:23
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* rm_you sleeps15:27
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vinilios_at_workwhere can i find openssh server package for diablo ?15:34
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X-Fadevinilios_at_work: In diablo extras.15:36
vinilios_at_workalso what are these OS2008 feature upgrade packages ? should i install them ?15:37
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vinilios_at_workis it possible to upgrade glib to 2.14 ?15:50
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zap_vinilios_at_work: no16:14
zap_or at least, not easy16:14
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Cptnodegardsomething said something about adding emulatos to some repo16:19
Cptnodegardcan someone clearify?16:19
nomis"something said something [...] can someone"16:20
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nomiscan someone clarify?   ;)16:20
X-Fademikkov_: ping?16:20
Cptnodegarda friend just posted a quote form irc yesterday right before i went to sleep so i just barely remember "something" :p16:21
Cptnodegardsoeone said something16:21
* X-Fade thinks Cptnodegard is having packet loss on his keyboard ;)16:22
pupniki'm more interested in getting them to run well than doing the proper packaging16:24
Cptnodegardno i just have RLBPS16:24
Cptnodegardrandom lack of buttons pressing syndomre16:24
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Cptnodegardmeh nvm16:25
mikkov_X-Fade: pong16:28
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X-Fademikkov_: Can you change your .changes file to say Distribution: diablo and also use diablo in your changelog>16:29
X-Fademikkov_: I want to test something ;)16:29
X-Fademikkov_: I'm testing new repository management tools and they tell me that you are specifying unstable as distribution.16:30
X-Fademikkov_: But no hurry. When you have time and need to upload a new package.16:31
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mikkov_X-Fade: They are from debian and haven't changed them16:31
mikkov_X-Fade: I'll change to next one16:31
X-Fademikkov_: Yeah, I know. But technically, we don't have an unstable distribution :)16:31
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X-Fademikkov_: Thanks, it would help me a lot to test things out..16:32
chelliX-Fade: i want to upload a package in the next minutes, i can change distribution to diablo if you want it (i guess you are trying out dak!?) :)16:33
X-Fadechelli: Yes, I'm testing out dak ;)16:34
X-Fadechelli: And dak is prety a*** about things like that ;)16:34
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infobotX-Fade meant: chelli: And dak is pretty a*** about things like that ;)16:34
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chelliX-Fade: yes, dak is not really easy to setup, afaik ;-)16:35
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X-Fadechelli: Well, dak setup is done. Now I have to test every step and get familiar with it.16:36
X-Fadechelli: Setup wasn't that bad. The lack of documentation is a bit of a pain, but it is doable.16:36
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KhertanX-Fade > you are testing a new tool to restrict a bit more packages in extras ?16:36
X-FadeKhertan: No, but it is pretty strict by default ;)16:37
chelliX-Fade: where should i upload the package, just the normal diablo-extras-devel-queue?16:37
X-FadeKhertan: It would be good for you to already add the right distribution in everything btw ;)16:37
X-FadeKhertan: But don't worry, this dak think is not for tomorrow ;)16:38
KhertanX-Fade ? mine package already add the right distribution ? isn't it ?16:38
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Khertani know it lacks pre/post install/remove and an xtended description :)16:38
Khertanbut i ll add this before summit :)16:39
X-FadeKhertan: Distibution: field in .changes.16:39
mikkov_X-Fade: maemo packagig policy says "The distribution and urgency fields in changelog are currently ignored."16:39
mikkov_X-Fade: should be updated?16:39
X-Fademikkov_: Yes, that is true ;)16:39
X-Fademikkov_: Well, this dak setup is now only a test.16:40
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X-Fademikkov_: This is longer term planning ;)16:40
X-Fademikkov_: But if you want to be correct then you should add diablo there anyway..16:41
KhertanX-Fade > yes but it s always good to know :)16:41
KhertanX-Fade > as i was short in time for diablo ... i doesn't want to made the same error twice :)16:41
X-FadeWhen this needs to be mandatory, be sure this will be communicated and discussed openly an way before we enforce it..16:42
mikkov_X-Fade: when you have same package in chinook and diablo, changelog should be changed for both packages16:42
lcukCptnodegard, it was RST38h i think16:42
X-Fademikkov_: I have seen packages that had Distribution: chinook diablo16:42
lcuki believe he said something about some emulator thing doing something or other.  or maybe he didnt16:42
X-Fademikkov_: Not sure if that is valid though..16:42
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KhertanX-Fade > yes i know ... the problem isn't you ... but me, it take me many time :)16:43
mikkov_X-Fade: i have no idea :)16:43
qwerty12_N800RST38h said he uploaded his emulator pkg's to diablo extras/non-free.16:43
X-Fademikkov_: But that will make it hard for me to test as I have only setup a diablo test repo ;)16:43
RST38hWho mentioned my name in vain?16:44
RST38hYes I did16:44
lcuknoone, we just wanted to see how long it took you to respond to the ping, its like a fire alarm16:44
X-FadeRST38h: Ah, you found my crappy documentation? :P16:44
RST38hSpeccy, fMSX, ColEm, and iNES16:44
RST38hX-Fade: Actually, not :)16:44
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RST38hX-Fade: etrunko spread the word16:45
chelliX-Fade: where do you want me to upload the package to test dak? just diablo-extras-devel or somewhere else?16:45
X-FadeRST38h: Ah, I wrote something up last night ;)16:45
X-Fadechelli: I'll copy it over.16:45
X-Fadechelli: So regular place is ok..16:45
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RST38hColEm and iNES are updated versions, too, in case anybody is interested16:45
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Cptnodegardinstalled ines on chinook now, no sound no controls16:46
RST38hCptnodegard: no idea16:46
RST38hYou may be running broken game file16:46
RST38hOr unsupported game file16:46
chelliX-Fade: ok, done, just uploaded the package python-flickrapi16:46
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pupnikchangelog for iNES RST38h ?16:48
Cptnodegardtried two files that work on vNES in s6016:48
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zapRST38h: why non-free?16:48
pupnikwow light gun16:48
zapisn't the source code available?16:48
Cptnodegardseems lik eothe rpeople have the problem too and the dude who made the app is just saying "youre doing somethign wrong"16:49
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pupnikzap, if you write an emulator, you can decide whether to make it free or non-free16:49
zappupnik: I know, but I just had the impression I've seen the source code for at least some of RST38' emulators16:49
Cptnodegardnon-free maemo apps? they exist?16:50
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zapCptnodegard: ask Nokia :-P16:50
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qwerty12_N800canola (parts) is non-free for example16:50
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Khertanre ...16:50
zapMicroB is non-free16:51
qwerty12_N800well, I say parts, but the main canola program is non-free16:51
XTLiSkype etc?16:51
XTLiMost of the system :)16:51
zapmost of the system is free16:52
zapFring, for example16:52
KhertanMicroB UI is non free16:52
Khertanhildon is free16:52
qwerty12_N800I keep a stash of nokia leaked stuff :p just out of spite of the closed nokia stuff16:53
Khertanjust wifi driver and other little thing like application GUI is closed source16:53
RST38hpupnik: Should support better magnification16:53
RST38hpupnik: But I have just thought about it again and it looks like it won't :)16:53
RST38h224x3=672 > 48016:54
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RST38hzap: 'cause most of my stuff is closed source16:54
RST38hzap: and the rest is open source but not GPLed16:54
pupnikahh yes16:54
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X-FadeHmm now I need to convince dak that sections like user/tools are cool. It seems to see user as a component.16:56
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RST38hpupnik: On the bright side though: VGBA is running in 720x480 resolution now and the Pokemon problem is gone16:57
Khertanuse debian section ... it ll be more compliant :)16:57
RST38h[on the dark side, Symbian version crashes, so I can't make proper release until I figure out why]16:58
qwerty12_N800i really should get a new nokia charger... i'm using old slippers to prop  the broken charger so it works >.<16:58
aquatix``the Pokemon problem is gone'' <- pokeman *are* the problem ;)16:58
pupnikthat's excellent news RST38h :) the vGBA fans should be *very* happy with 3x scaling16:58
RST38hA bit slower at x316:58
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* RST38h has got a suspicion that the Copy256to768 routine is actually faster on ARM than Copy768To76816:59
RST38hSo, when scaling vertically, it may make more sense to call 256to768 instead of repeating the last scaled line with 768to76817:00
zapRST38h: aren't you using the built-in upscaling on N8xx?17:01
zapthat should make it faster17:01
RST38hzap: Nope - way too messy as far as system interaction goes17:01
RST38hAlso won't upscale to sizes that I want17:01
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zapas far as I understand, it supports arbitrary upscale coefficients17:02
RST38hzap: Supports x2 afaik17:02
zapwell, the chip supports arbitrary upscaling17:02
RST38hzap: And the rest of your desktop will be gone17:02
zapI must try to play with this stuff17:02
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RST38hWell, hw upscaler is cool but it is not magic =(17:02
zapseems to be an area where there's place for improvement17:03
RST38hWorks more or less like a screen mode switch afaik17:03
zapits not magic but it'll free CPU and the bus17:03
zapyou throw a 256x192 image over the bus17:03
RST38hActually, I would like to use direct video buffer access a lot, but haven't got it to work yet17:03
zapand it upscales in the Epson chip17:03
RST38hzap: yes, but what happens with the rest of the screen? :)17:03
RST38hRemember, that DMA channel to the Epson chip is used to update the display17:04
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GAN800Why does EVERYBODY seem to have Red Pill on? :/17:07
zapRST38h: the Epson chip supports windows in hardware17:07
zapI don't know about the Xomap side17:07
XTLiGAN800: enough motivation to turn on, not enough to turn off17:08
X-Fadechelli: Ok, let me try out your package.17:08
RST38hzap: I do not think they mean the same thing by windows :)17:08
lardmanonion: ping17:08
chelliX-Fade: had to upload 2 times, the second one worked ;-)17:08
zapRST38h: by windows they mean independently updateable areas17:09
X-Fadechelli: Don't get me started on that :(17:09
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zapRST38h: and Epson chip supports a lot of input formats, maybe even 8-bit paletted, iirc17:10
RST38hzap: yes, but they can't overlap :)17:10
chelliX-Fade: not, this time it was my fault, just a missing build dependancy :)17:10
zapRST38h: they don't overlap anyways, most of the time17:10
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Khertanlol nvu say that an file with xhtml isn't an html file and don't open it17:10
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zapRST38h: anyway, do you have any figures on how much performance the screen update is eating?17:11
X-Fadechelli: Hmm your dsc isn't signed?17:11
chelliX-Fade: hmm, looks fine here17:11
chelliX-Fade: definetly has a signature17:12
X-Fadechelli: The one in the repo is cleaned.. Weird.17:12
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X-Fadechelli: Other packages still have their original sign on it.17:12
* qwerty12_N800 needs to compile a proper sox for tablets. the one on itt doesn't understand mp3 or ogg formats.17:13
X-Fadechelli: Ah, looking at older version :)17:13
zapX-Fade: I was thinking, doesn't it make sense to put up a separate repository for command-line stuff? I'm not sure every user is interested to see stuff like iperf, tcpdump etc in the app list...17:14
Khertanqwerty12_N800 > sox ?17:14
zapaircrack even...17:14
X-Fadechelli: I was looking at the 0.15 version.17:14
hrwzap: or madbomber or vagalume17:14
Khertanzap > remove section user/17:14
summatusmentisqwerty12_N800: did you ever get a2dp working on the nit?17:14
hrwzap: or lbreakout2 which is non-playable on n810 keyboard17:14
X-Fadezap: You can just use debian sections for that.17:14
zapbut I still would like to see them in app manager :17:15
hrwI think that all stuff should be visible in h-a-m17:15
qwerty12_N800Khertan, Sound file converter in a nutshell17:15
Khertan.... :)17:15
chelliX-Fade: which version? i only uploaded python-flickrapi 1.1-217:15
zapor maybe selectable sections in app manager then...17:15
zap[x]user [x]stuff [x]non-free etc17:15
qwerty12_N800summatusmentis, yes. i got it working even better with lardman's brilliant dsp-sbc17:15
X-Fadechelli: Older version probably came from chinoor rebuild.17:16
chelliX-Fade: maybe you are looking at the .dsc-file which was created by the auto-builder during the build?17:16
lardmansummatusmentis: just don't try playing videos with it ;)17:16
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Khertansomeone know a good wysiwyg editor on windows ? kompozer and NVU crash17:17
summatusmentislardman: no? bummer :) but music works ok?17:17
Khertanwysiwyg ...17:17
qwerty12_N800I was able to watch little britain episodes relatively well with ad2p..17:17
zapit's wysiwyg - you get exactly what you see, plain text...17:17
lardmansummatusmentis: I think so, qwerty12_N800 tells me there's something wrong with hard-core East London music ;), I'll check that this evening17:17
Khertanzap ... ... hum ip registered ... next time you will get unformatted plain text on my web site ...17:18
lardmansummatusmentis: For video I think there's some sort of bandwidth/memory contention issue as the audio plays fine, but only ~1fps for video17:18
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summatusmentislardman: that something wrong is the fact that he's listening to hard-core East London music :-P17:19
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qwerty12_N800****, can't find my headset, /me checks downstairs17:19
lardmansummatusmentis: :)17:20
X-Fadechelli: Not sure where dak gets that main component from ;)17:20
* summatusmentis just got a philips VOX 34017:20
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qwerty12_N800I just use an modified a2dp script and load up canola. instant a2dp.17:21
summatusmentisdsp-sbc is a kernel module? or just a userspace program?17:21
lardmansummatusmentis: userspace, but with a DSP kernel module17:22
Khertanqwerty12_N800 > and about battery consumption ?17:23
RST38hzap: probably ~25-30% of the total17:23
RST38hzap: this is with scaling17:23
summatusmentislardman: the standard maemo kernel has that module? or is it something I'd need to install?17:23
qwerty12_N800Khertan, no idea about battery. i pump the cpufreq into performance though.17:24
lardmansummatusmentis: it's like a .ko file, no need to alter the kernel17:24
chelliX-Fade: afaik this can be specified in the release-file17:24
lardmansummatusmentis: you just install it under /lib/dsp/modules and alter the conf file so it knows it's there17:24
qwerty12_N800lardman, just to ensure i'm not talking rubbish, is commenting out the sbcenc line from the dsp_dls config enough?17:25
lardmansummatusmentis: to decouple the ARM & DSP speed you need a Linux kernel flash, but as video doens't seem to work, you may as well keep the standard Linux kernel and have the ARM run at 330MHz when the DSP is running as is the starndard17:25
lardmanqwerty12_N800: to disable it?17:25
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qwerty12_N800lardman, yep17:26
lardmanqwerty12_N800: yes, but you need to restart dsp_dld17:26
X-Fadechelli: Yeah, so the component should be free.17:26
zapRST38h: in this case it's worth for me to look into it17:26
vinilios_at_workNo package 'x11' found17:26
vinilios_at_workNo package 'xfixes' found17:26
vinilios_at_workNo package 'xext' found17:26
vinilios_at_workNo package 'fixesproto' found17:26
lardmanmake sure you've got that symlink in /lib/dsp/17:26
vinilios_at_workany idea what package should i install ?17:26
qwerty12_N800lardman, thanks. i'll grep rc2.d for the right line :)17:26
summatusmentislardman: d'you mind sending me a copy of it? or is available somewhere?17:26
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: even easier is to just rename the module, then the dsp_dld won't find it and it will fall back to using the sw method17:27
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summatusmentiscool, thanks. Maybe I'll play17:28
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vinilios_at_workis there some kind of unstable diablo repository available ?17:29
X-Fadevinilios_at_work: extras-devel for diablo17:30
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mikkov_X-Fade: now there's something with diablo as distribution17:31
qwerty12_N800~lart the a***-retentive dsmetool17:31
* infobot slaps a compatible dib on the a***-retentive dsmetool's head17:31
GAN800vinilios_at_work, please turn off Red Pill. :)17:32
chelliX-Fade: afaik the component can be specified by the package maintainer in debian/control in the section part, so it should be free/python in case of my package - unfortunately nokia/maemo decided to use this field slightly different than debian :)17:32
qwerty12_N800lardman, just to check i'm doing it right, is there a way to check which dsp modules are present?17:32
andre___oh great. i can run a hildon-desktop in the hildon-desktop? *lol*17:32
GAN800Also: Ed's back, woo!17:33
X-Fadechelli: Yeah, but I wonder where it gets the 'main' from.17:33
vinilios_at_workGAN800, ?17:33
lardmanqwerty12_N800: as in which are loaded?17:33
GAN800andre___, hall o' mirrors17:33
lardmanqwerty12_N800: check in /dev/dsp/*17:33
qwerty12_N800lardman, yes, sorry for vagueness17:33
chelliX-Fade: main is the default-value for debian17:33
qwerty12_N800lardman, thanks17:33
lardmanqwerty12_N800: or you can run "dsp_dld -p" and it will list what it loads17:34
GAN800vinilios_at_work, you asked about featyre upgrade packages. You need to turn off Red Pill.17:34
X-Fadechelli: I can be evil and hack free in there ;)17:34
andre___Hej hej GAN800! btw, any idea about ? 'cause I don't have, and you have the knowledge and wisdom (*toadying*)17:34
chelliX-Fade: sorry the ordering is different: it would be python/free17:34
lardmanqwerty12_N800: or just try running mplayer and it will spit out a line saying that it's fallen back to sw method17:34
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vinilios_at_workso, they're not supposed to get installed ?17:34
chelliX-Fade: it is possible to override the component by the archive maintainer via the so called override-file, but i have no idea how this works exactly :)17:35
X-Fadechelli: Hmm indeed, hadn't thought about override.17:35
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X-Fadechelli: Well, that doesn't give much hope ;)17:37
RST38hzap: Well, I should have released ColEm and fMSX source code for maemo by now - take a look at the web site17:37
X-Fadechelli: As we already use the segment for something else.17:38
RST38hIf it is not there, then I will do it in the next few days (please bug me)17:38
chelliX-Fade: yes as i said, the slight "misuse" of the section field in maemo is complicating things a little bit here :)17:39
GeneralAntillesvinilios_at_work, they're magic packages you only see in Red Pill.17:39
GeneralAntillesNot intended for consumption by anybody.17:39
GeneralAntillesPlease turn off Red Pill and move on.17:39
X-Fadechelli: I probably need to patch that indeed. Or see if I can fix it via overrides.17:39
GeneralAntillesandre___, no BT keyboard handy for the time being. . . .17:40
qwerty12_N800lardman, I can confirm it's a dsp-sbc issue. mplayer reports it's returning back to sw method and the same track is playing fine. i'll upload the track later.17:41
zanshin~seen johnx17:41
infobotjohnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 42s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 16h 19m 6s, last said: 'zanshin, does it say anything in dmesg?'.17:41
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infobotjohnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 49s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen johnx'.17:41
lardmanqwerty12_N800: ok, I'll try to take a look at it this evening then17:41
johnxzanshin, :)17:41
johnxhi zanshin. what's on your mind?17:42
zanshinI've mailed the maintainer of xomap, and it's a kernel thing.17:42
zanshinthat's why the new Xomap doesn't work and the old one does.17:43
johnxzanshin, interesting. but the same kernel/xomap combination works in maemo?17:43
johnxaaah, sorry, didn't read17:43
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zanshinSo if debian-nit wants to support the 770 also we need an updated kernek or keep the old Xomap17:44
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johnxI don't think the new Xomap has any huge advantage for the 770 anyways17:44
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X-Fadechelli: Ok, I found the code to patch. That isn't a big deal.17:45
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zanshinSo you might as wel keep old one then17:46
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johnxzanshin, ok. you should probably poke at Stskeeps and tell him. I'm ending up pretty busy lately17:47
zanshinHe's off to the mountains till Thursday :)17:48
zanshinBut it can wait17:48
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johnxzanshin, I might have some time to poke at it tomorrow (maybe...). for now I'm actually off to bed. Thanks for doing the follow-up. :)17:51
zanshinThere's still and suid root problem which I have to check out. If you use startx 'user' the old Xomap starts complaining about setting suid root. So for now I'll copy the old Xomap to /usr/bin and see if I can drop into xterm right away17:51
zanshinsleep well.17:51
johnxthanks :)17:51
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crashanddieit's officially 37C in here17:57
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crashanddieand my laptop is running at 70C17:57
crashanddiewhich is far from comfortable to work on17:57
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qwerty12crashanddie: don't worry, coming to the uk will rectify that problem...17:58
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crashanddieI bet17:58
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Churlhi, are the repos still saposta be down?18:00
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X-FadeChurl: No?18:02
Churloh crap!18:02
Churlum, so everytings should be fine?18:03
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X-FadeChurl: Yes, it works for me.18:03
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X-Fadechelli: I managed to get your package accepted by dak ;)18:04
chelliX-Fade: fine :)18:05
Churllol that's nice.....:-/  all the catalogs are "failed to refresh" if that helps, same as yesterday18:05
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ChurlX-Fade: nevermind, I found the magical (reload) button in the corner. nothing worked till that. thanks :)18:08
X-Fadechelli: But because it is a new package, it is still in holding ;) So next step is to find out what the action is.18:08
X-FadeChurl: lol ;)18:08
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chelliX-Fade: yes, in Debian this is the task of the ftpmasters, they need to check if the package is acceptable for Debian or not, if it is valid, it will be added to the override-file, as far as i know18:09
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X-Fadechelli: Well at least jennifer has been good to me. Let's see who I should pick next ;)18:10
Khertansomeone can say me in which package python hildondesktop where is ?18:11
X-FadeKhertan: python-hildon ?18:11
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Khertanit s seems not ..18:14
Khertanas an user can do 'import hildon'18:14
Khertanbut import hildondesktop failed18:14
XTLiapt-cache search hildon python18:14
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yergaKhertan, are you sure it was ported to diablo?18:14
Khertanyerga > this is why i ask18:15
Khertanbut applet run fine on my device18:15
X-FadeKhertan: Aren't they merged?18:15
Khertanand i don't remember installing hildondesktop18:15
snowmoon-workprobably because, like most, you pulled it from chinook initally18:15
KhertanX-Fade > don't know can't found information about this on pymaemo.garage.maemo.org18:15
* snowmoon-work is guessing18:15
Khertansnowmoon-work > no no, ... never use chinook repository ;)18:15
X-FadeKhertan: It was there on chinook, but on diablo it isn't there:
Khertanyes i ve see18:16
Khertanbut 'import hildondesktop' seems to be present on my nit :)18:16
snowmoon-workKhertan: I can confirm on my unit... homeip fails :-(18:17
lcuksnowmoon-work, then you are obviously not at home :P18:18
snowmoon-workKhertan: where is the homeip "binary"18:18
qwerty12Khertan: If python-hildondesktop works in diablo, why not put it in diablo autobuilder: ?18:18
snowmoon-workI'll mess with it18:18
Khertanqwerty12 > because i can't compile it on my nit18:19
Khertanand because it s maintain normally by python guys18:19
qwerty12Ah, I see.18:19
Khertanbut it should be hard to python package18:19
Khertanas all time somethings is broken18:20
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X-FadeKhertan: Actually, the package wasn't done by the python guys.18:20
Khertanlast time they have packaging hildondekstop module they got the great idea to name it differently than my packages18:20
lcukheh Khertan never ending cycles.  pushing a button here pops one out over there18:20
Khertanso this conflicting18:20
X-FadeKhertan: It was done by Lucas Rocha, who since has left Nokia.18:21
KhertanX-Fade > who made it ?18:21
Khertanoh great18:21
qwerty12Khertan: You could use "|" in your dependencies :/18:21
KhertanX-Fade > this one was made by me :)18:21
Khertanthe other one is python2.5-hildondesktop18:22
snowmoon-workKhertan: changing hildondesktop -> hildon definatly does not work18:22
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Khertanah no ... wasn't mine18:22
qwerty12brb. network manager update sucks **** :@18:22
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Khertansnowmoon-work > of course it will not work18:23
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Khertanso if i understand if i don't do it myself, i ll never see hildondesktop binding in diablo ...18:23
Khertanmust go on ... bye18:25
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X-Fadechelli: Wohoo ;) Ok, your package is the first package in my test repo. Works nicely.18:35
X-Fadechelli: Had to use kelly and lisa too ;)18:36
chelliX-Fade: when can we expect dak going online for the extras-repositories? ;-)18:36
chelliwhat are kelly and lisa doing?18:36
X-Fadechelli: lisa moves new to accepted when sections etc are valid.18:37
X-Fadechelli: I had to edit the section to free/python there.18:37
chelliX-Fade: i just know britney - this script does/did manage the migration from unstable to testing :)18:37
X-Fadechelli: And kelly moves a package from accepted to the actual pool.18:37
mikkov_openlierox will be today in extras-devel :)18:38
X-Fademikkov_: I will now test if I can import your package.18:39
* GeneralAntilles will stab the next person who files a bug and doesn't delete the irrelevant information from the template.18:39
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Maybe add that to the description?18:40
Khertan_n810Hi again18:40
GeneralAntillesI'm hoping it'll be irrelevant soon18:40
GeneralAntillesas guenther is switching to guided at some point. . . .18:40
GeneralAntillesand we can wail on people with canconfirm and editbugs who don't do it right.18:41
Khertan_n810x-fade > do u have the log of recompilaton of packages for diablo from chinook18:41
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: Check the rebuild page.18:41
nomisGeneralAntilles: that is the drawback of templates. We had the same issue with simple-bug-guide for the gimp/gnome bugtracker18:41
GeneralAntillesandre___, I'm pretty sure bug #3463 is WORKSFORME.18:42
GeneralAntillesor maybe INVALID18:42
Khertan_n810thx for the link18:42
GeneralAntillesandre___, I was going to try to figure that one out when he posted it, but tz's bugs are always such a pain to wade through. . . .18:43
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Khertan_n810hum only extras was rebuilt not extras-devel ?18:43
X-FadeKhertan_n810: Yes. This was done to jumpstart diablo extras.18:44
jottX-Fade: Warning: 'post-commit' hook failed with error output:18:44
jottmv: cannot stat `/var/www/homedirs/groups/qt4.previous': No such file or directory18:44
jottafter a commit18:44
X-Fadejott: Hmm..18:44
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X-Fadejott: Every time you commit?18:45
andre___GeneralAntilles, exactly ;-)18:45
andre___GeneralAntilles, feel free to close with a comment :)18:45
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GeneralAntillesandre___, I'm not the one getting paid. :P18:46
GeneralAntillesand, like I said, I'm only pretty sure.18:46
jottX-Fade: only the last one. i just pasted it :)18:46
jottthe other ones a couple of hours ago where slow but without an error.18:47
GeneralAntillesDon't feel like trying to explain what's going on to justify closing it.18:47
andre___GeneralAntilles, i pay you with a beer at Berlin ;-)18:47
GeneralAntillesIf only. :(18:47
andre___what? not going to Berlin?!18:47
andre___come on...18:47
GeneralAntillesSchool, and a family reunion that weekend (which, btw, is confirmed).18:47
GeneralAntillesI know, I know.18:47
andre___pity :-(18:48
GeneralAntillesI've had this discussion with everybody. :P18:48
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: And you will for a long time ;)18:48
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: There is just no excuse..18:48
GeneralAntillesThere are always excuses. :P18:48
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GeneralAntillesI decided I'm coming as:
andre___family *is* important. if there's nothing left in life, you still have family and music ;-)18:49
andre___as long as you don't bark :-P18:49
GeneralAntillesParticularly important since all my old relatives are dying off.18:49
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GeneralAntillesand we only get together about once every 3 years.18:49
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andre___understand... file a bug against the US, your country is too big. in smaller countries it's easier to meet more often ;-)18:50
GeneralAntillesI'm filing a bug against Nokia for not being cool and having it in Maryland. :P18:50
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andre___hmm, that would mean I have to give them my fingerprints when entering that country. humm, humm... ;-/18:52
pupnikthe society of men is atomized by the state.  all voluntary associations - family, church, societies and clubs are an anathema to it and are slowly destroyed18:52
pupnikhows that for OT18:52
X-FadeI won't do that just to get into the US.18:53
GeneralAntillesThey're seriously fingerprinting everybody?18:53
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: And background checks which are pretty invasive.18:53
andre___X-Fade, same feeling here, though I had nearly visited Google one month ago. In the end, reality is that I will have to enter the US in my life, probably...18:53
andre___GeneralAntilles, yes, they do.18:54
lardmanGeneralAntilles: only index fingers and pictures of your eyes/face18:54
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: That is why some conferences move to Canada.18:54
* GeneralAntilles is ready for the revolution.18:54
GeneralAntillesMaybe I can vouch for you guys. :P18:54
* lcuk would gladly give the security people the finger18:54
andre___and provide data of what I have eaten on my flight and lots of other information that is definitely part of my privacy.18:54
GeneralAntilles"Yeah, Chuck, those dudes are cool. Let 'em through."18:54
jottlcuk: your middle finger? ;)18:55
pupnikGeneralAntilles: they're also scanning laptops now.  And if you have an encrypted drive, you might be in for trouble.18:55
lcukwhat happens if you havent got an index finger?18:55
lardmanlcuk: would be dragged away and detained until they whistle up a C130 to take him to Cuba18:55
GeneralAntillesIt's like boiling a frog very slowly.18:56
GeneralAntillesSad stuff.18:56
pupnikVery true18:56
lcukbrb, cow found a bug in multi year old stable fully tested stuff... ;)18:56
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* lcuk doesnt believe its my code18:56
pupnikheh cow = coworker?18:56
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Khertan_n810hum can t found hildon-desktop-python-loader in chinook source18:57
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qwerty12_N800~lart ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded...18:59
* infobot nukes ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded... with a single large nuke18:59
MangoFusionin any case, my solution is - don't bring a laptop with you ;)18:59
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ProteousGeneralAntilles: maybe the fan is too cool off your hands if they get sweaty so you don't drop the device19:00
GeneralAntillesFairly awesome19:00
GeneralAntillesI didn't realize UMPCs might have fans.19:00
GeneralAntillesI'm pretty sure that means they win.19:00
Proteouslol, yes19:00
Proteousbig winners19:00
GeneralAntillesWe all have to take sledgehammers to our tablets now.19:01
GeneralAntillesSorry guys.19:01
andre___pupnik, oh great. i DO have an encrypted drive...19:01
MangoFusioncouldn't you19:01
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MangoFusionplug one of those usb fans in?19:01
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Proteousno no, nokia didn't think of the fan idea first, so they lost19:02
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Proteouspoor nokia, they had a good thing going there19:02
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sjgadsbyI'm holding out for water cooling.19:03
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GeneralAntillessjgadsby, I can get that working for you.19:04
GeneralAntillesJust give me your N800.19:04
sjgadsbyGeneralAntilles: Hah! I'm not falling for that again.19:04
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MangoFusionGeneralAntilles: anything those UMPC's can handle, i guess >:)19:09
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t_s_oand then some maybe19:11
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, poke.19:46
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Khertan_n810i pay a 2 beer at the summit for the one  which post hildon desktop binding to diablo extras19:55
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lcukGeneralAntilles, go find someone else to poke20:02
lcukbut then tell me what ya after20:02
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lcukpupnik, yes20:03
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pupnikyes what20:04
* lcuk tests his own code to breaking point, cow orker ships things on the rare occassion that they compile20:04
lcukto cow being cow orker20:04
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lcukoh no, someone nearby has sky internet20:05
* lcuk better secure his network20:05
* qwerty12 should have haxed lcuk's network when I was in oldham :P20:06
lcukyou would have to be really close, both sides transmit at 10ma20:06
qwerty12I'd have made the name, northsux :P20:06
qwerty12And then watched as lcuk comes with a axe20:07
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qwerty12If someone wants to hack me, my sudoers has my user account on ALL NOPASSWD20:08
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lcukhi there overflo20:09
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lcukmmmm tea smells good tonight20:09
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overflohave you try sbriblink ?20:10
overfloin your n810 ?20:10
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overfloyes ...20:11
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overfloyes whiteboard20:11
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lcukyer i did, it didnt work :S20:13
overfloI tried to connect with my n810 but it don't works20:13
lcuki forgot about that20:13
lcukwe will have to find something that does20:13
lcukliqbase should work in the near future ;)20:13
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overflotomorrow ?20:14
lcukheh no20:14
lcuktho i wish it was, tonight ive got some testing to do, but i think im over a hump with some coding ive been trying20:14
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Capn_Fishjohnx: You here?20:20
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GeneralAntillesForgot what I needed lcuk for.20:30
GeneralAntillesHell, it was mildly important, too. . . .20:31
GeneralAntillesAh, right20:31
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GeneralAntillesApple Bluetooth keyboard20:31
zfigzHi Guys20:31
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GeneralAntilles(The context that triggered the thought is important)20:31
zfigzI'm having trouble with setting up Gizmo in Internet Call20:31
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zfigzCalls aren't going through20:31
GeneralAntilleszfigz, proxy01.sipphone.com20:31
zfigzFor User name I have my SIP number20:31
GeneralAntillesmake sure it's not a NAT issue.20:31
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lcukbbl after tea20:32
zfigz@ proxy01.sipphone.com20:32
zfigzGeneral, I'm at work.20:32
lcukask me later20:32
zfigzDo you think the routers could be blocking it?20:32
GeneralAntillesDamn you.20:32
zfigzDo I need to setup anything in advance General?20:32
zfigzAdvanced rather20:32
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GeneralAntillesDon't recall20:33 had the correct settings shown at one point20:33
zfigzSo no outgoing proxy is needed eh?20:33
GeneralAntillesYou could install the rtcomm beta, which includes a Gizmo preset.20:33
GeneralAntilles's see20:34
GeneralAntillesI have my username@proxy01.sipphone.com20:34
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GeneralAntillesSo, not a number20:34
zfigzOh ok20:34
zfigzlet me try that then20:34
GeneralAntillesPSTN checked20:34
GeneralAntillesIn Advanced, in the Outgoing proxy field20:34
GeneralAntillesAuto-detect STUN20:34
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zfigzWhat about the authentication under the Advanced Tab?20:35
GeneralAntillesProbably a poor choice in error pages:
GeneralAntillesNothing in authentication20:36
GeneralAntillesfields blank20:36
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zfigzmust be work20:36
* GeneralAntilles much preferred having it redirect to stage.maemo.org20:36
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zfigzyeah...weird. I guess I'll use Skype while at work.20:38
lardmanwhat can I use to see the gps status over ssh?20:38
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m-voGeneralAntilles, there used to be a time where all URLs for unknown XXX would be redirected to  That seems to have been 'fixed'...20:38
GeneralAntilleslardman, cgps20:38
GeneralAntillesor something20:38
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GeneralAntillesBenson put up a gps tools package on itT at some point20:39
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GeneralAntillesFind it in topics he created.20:39
lardmanok, thanks20:39
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GeneralAntillesm-vo, it should really redirect to or something.20:39
zfigzI can receive calls, I just can't make them.20:39
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure why somebody filed a bug about that.20:40
zfigzI need 1 area code and the number.20:40
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lardmanjott: ping20:42
zfigzArgh, so it works via Gizmo but not via the internet call app20:42
lardman has some barcode libraries in it20:43
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m-voGeneralAntilles, I think (without knowing anything about this) that the redirection was a mistake to begin with.20:43
* m-vo is trying to learn git by porting the h-a-m to Debian using got to manage the branch...20:44
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qwerty12_N800Will the debian version have the Nokia legal notice too? :p20:45
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zfigzGeneral, do you know if you need to have the number in the phone number spot for a contact or the SIP spot?20:46
zfigzOk, maybe that's the problem then.20:46
GeneralAntillesDial the number20:46
zfigzYeah, I've tried dialing and the same deal20:46
zfigzIt worked in Gizmo but no in internet call20:46
m-voqwerty12_N800, good point!  Didn't think about it yet...20:46
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zfigzI just trashed my cell phone, so trying to get this working20:46
m-voThe notice text probably needs to be moved into a configuration file.20:47
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qwerty12_N800m-vo, heh, i was joking :). imagine debian users having to accept a nokia notice... :p20:47
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zfigzwoo, it works!20:48
m-voqwerty12_N800, yeah, before it can be accepted into Debian, I need to push the whole "package domain" thing into libapt-pkg.20:48
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m-vo's the thing that is responsible for the legal notice.20:49
m-vo(the ' key is still too close to RET...)20:49
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crashanddiewhy fail ?20:50
GeneralAntillesThe test failed.20:51
crashanddieno, it didn't :)20:51
GeneralAntillesYes it did.20:51
crashanddieno, it didn't20:51
GeneralAntillesNobody actually saw your message20:51
GeneralAntillesYou're just imagining that I responded.20:51
zfigzit works sometimes20:52
zfigzbut not always20:52
* qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the matrix20:52
crashand1iecrashanddie: test20:55
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zfigzWould anyone know why it only "sometimes" works when making calls from Internet Call?20:57
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crashanddiezfigz, your SIP SP fails20:58
crashanddieservice provider20:58
zfigzI guess so20:59
zfigzIt's really frustrating20:59
zfigzI was using Skype before but Gizmo provides caller id20:59
zfigzi changed20:59
lardman~lart the N810 GPS for being sooo sloooow20:59
* infobot teaches the N810 GPS the basics, including how to RTM for being sooo sloooow20:59
crashanddiezfigz, don't go there, again21:00
zfigzDon't go where?21:00
crashanddieranting about the GPS, again21:00
zfigzI'm not21:00
lardmanplease GPS, just lock on so I can test whether Pidgin will send my location, pretty please...21:00
zfigzI'm talking about SIP21:00
zfigzThe was someone else's comment21:00
lardmancrashanddie: not so much ranting as crying21:01
crashanddiezfigz, my apologies21:01
crashanddielardman, a-gps ?21:01
lardman6 sats, >5min with them visible and yet no lock21:01
zfigzBut really...gizmo is making me mad21:01
lardmancrashanddie: not an a-gps issue, it can see the sats, just won't lock :(21:01
lardman9 now21:02
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lardmangot to go do the washing up, bbiab, perhaps I'll have a lock by then ;)21:02
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* crashanddie wonders how the hell he got mCalendar installed21:03
qwerty12_N800Khertan haxed ur tablet21:04
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* GeneralAntilles still wishes we had a quote db for that one.21:05
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zfigzargh, i wonder what happened to was working fine and now it's all buggy.21:07
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* lcuk rolls back to his computer21:09
RST38hmoo again21:09
RST38hKhertan continues haxing people's tablets in Python? =)21:09
GeneralAntillesOK, lcuk, have you ever experience hildon-desktop crashes with you Apple keyboard waking from sleep?21:10
GeneralAntillesKhertan, the Python Tablet Pwner21:10
lcukkhertan, n8x0 hacker on the go.  such an inspiration21:10
GeneralAntillesOK, how about anybody with an SU-8W?21:11
lcukmind you, the batteries are flat now, but before i knew that i first tried to connect, then brought up the console apt-getted a few things, checked the syslog, killed a few daemons ran some strange thing and somehow mangaged to install vista on my nokia.  but no, its never crashed21:12
lcukwhats an su-8w?21:12
GeneralAntilles~google su-8w21:13
qwerty12_N800an nokia bt keyboard. nokia has special support for it in the keyboard bluetooth control panel21:13
lcukdoes that have the same problem?21:13
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lardman|washingargh, still no lock, 9 sats in view21:14
qwerty12_N800ask for a core-dump21:14
crashanddieI can't call through SIP anymore21:15
ShadowJKlardman: indoors?21:15
lardman|washingyes, by a window21:15
ShadowJKoh you'll be waiting a very long time...21:15
lardman|washingbut I was assuming that the SNR numbers would take that into account....21:15
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lardman|washingor are they simply signal strength, not quality21:15
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zfigzHey, anyone here use Internet Call?21:16
ShadowJKin my experience you need stronger signal to get an initial lock21:16
zfigzJust curious how you get to link incoming calls to your contacts so you can see who is calling rather than having to decipher their number21:16
lardman|washingShadowJK: annoying that these GPSes are closed, would be good to look at what on Earth is going on inside21:17
derf_lardman|washing: Horrible things, I'm sure.21:17
lardman|washingderf_: horrible and inefficient probably21:18
zapzfigz: so far I'm using it mostly for calling real phones21:18
derf_I think inefficiency is horrible.21:18
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ShadowJKWell for the initial fix it needs to download data from the satellites, and the satellites are sending it so slowly, that if the signal strength is low and a bit or two are lost, it will take very long until it gets the whole data downloaded intact...21:18
zfigzzap, me too21:18
qwerty12_N800ShadowJK, I wouldn't blame it on the satellites :/21:18
zfigzBut I want to congifure my contacts so I can see who is calling me21:18
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zapzfigz: is it displaying anything when somebody calls you21:19
zapi'll try to call my sip from my mobile :)21:19
ShadowJKOnce it has a lock, it doesn't need half a minute of clean gps signal to tell where you are anymore, it just needs to get some amount of signal from atleast 4 at the same time21:19
zfigzIt says21:19
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zfigzsip:*number*@*ip address*21:20
zfigzso I guess i have to input exactly that in another box21:20
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lcuklardman|washing, i left my chinook out on the balcony when were on holiday for an afternoon - it didnt lock. i turned it off and tried again when we got back and it got a lock quickly21:20
ShadowJKmy sirfstar bluetooth gps has issues indoors by the window too, though it's much more sensitive than N81021:20
lcukits a lottery21:20
Pavlzmy nokia 770 has got the kernel
Pavlzi tried apt-get update21:20
Pavlzapt-get dist-upgrade21:20
lardman|washingShadowJK: I'd be interested to know if it's a sensitivity issue, or a processing issue21:21
zfigzZap, what do you get?>21:21
lardman|washinglcuk: I got reasonable locks in Australia sat outside, just had to wait as it was completely cold21:21
PavlzIt works for a little then says21:21
lcuklardman|washing, were you in aus at the time though, or was this your uk testing21:22
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lardman|washingShadowJK: looking back at your previous comment, it takes 12.5min to download the almanac from a single satellite, but I already have that from agps; then it should take 30s for each satellite to download the ephemerides21:22
lardman|washinglcuk: I was actually there :)21:23
zapzfigz: just figuring out how to call it actually :)21:23
zfigzcalling it simple21:23
ShadowJKYeah, 30seconds of perfect signal per satellite21:23
zfigzbut I think you might have to have 2 slots for each contact21:23
lardman|washingoh yes21:23
zfigzone with their phone number21:23
ShadowJKThere's no error correcting data21:23
ShadowJK(i think)21:23
zfigzand another with their incoming number with @ip21:23
lcuklardman|washing, nice :D  i wonder if we shouldnt write a better more descriptive front end to the gps - stick it in the mapper dialog21:24
lardman|washingI don't know if the fact they are displayed indicates they are seen accurately or not, I should try looking at the NMEA data I suppose21:24
lcukif theres more info available deep within it about its state21:24
ShadowJKOh there are signal strength numbers in maemo mapper...21:24
PavlzE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open 11 (11 Resource temporari)21:24
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lcukyes ShadowJK, but that doesnt help you if they are there all afternoon21:25
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ShadowJKI think over 30 or 35 in strength is workable, but my memory is poor :)21:25
lardman|washingthere's probably not much more info really, I'll look at the mapper code and see which nmea messages it parses, then we'll know21:25
lardman|washingShadowJK: I had a lock yesterday with ~20 as the average and 26 the max21:25
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zfigzzap, any luck?21:26
ShadowJKI don't remember ever getting a lock with signal strengths in the 20s or lower on all birds21:26
lardman|supperwe'll see if another 30min will help it at all.....21:26
ShadowJK it would be cool if you could get ephemeris from agps too21:26
lardman|suppersnr of 20 should be enough, depends on how the quality varies with the snr21:26
PavlzE: Unable to lock the administration directory  (/var/lib/dpkg), is an?21:26
lardman|supperShadowJK: you can and do21:27
ShadowJKcan chinook upload it to the gps chip though?21:27
Pavlznow i ask you why don't update the kernel ? and what sense got on my nokia 770 these two messages ?21:28
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Pavlzawaiting your reply,21:28
zapzfigz: indeed, it shows sip:xxxxxx@tairo.net21:28
zfigzzap, so it looks like you have to input both right?21:29
zfigzhave their phone number in the phone box for their contact and then another box (sip I guess) to reflect their incoming number.21:29
zapmmmh, perhaps you can add that as a SIP field to a contact, I'll try now21:29
zaphmm, but my SIP provider is not sipnet.ru21:30
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zapI guess I'll have to add that as a dummy SIP provider21:30
zap'cause I can't add a SIP address with a random suffix21:31
zfigzMine is the same IP # all the time21:31
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lardman|supperShadowJK: yes, if you use agps-ui21:31
lardman|supperShadowJK: supper's on the table, back in a bit21:32
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zapzfigz: does not work in any way I tried21:42
zapperhaps Nokia software simply does not decode the incoming call phone number21:43
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brontideIt wouldn't surprise me at all, the built-in contacts app is pretty lame for the most part21:46
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lardman|supperargh, still no lock!22:06
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qwerty12_N800and howwwww long has it been? :p22:07
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lardman|tvabout an hour and a half22:07
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qwerty12_N800s***. I'd burn the gps chipset and buy a bt one...22:08
lardman|tvI have a BT one, my parents have it atm22:08
lardman|tvthey used my N800 to navigate in France, quite impressive22:10
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qwerty12_N800Nice.I'm really hating this garmin nuvi 300 we have. we *must* get a tomtom.22:12
lardman|tv; first page "one manufacturer’s attitude towards SNR values (or Arbitrary Mystery Units as they call them!)"22:12
derfYeah, my roommate borrowed the N800 and drove all around Greece for a week with it.22:12
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AStormlardman|tv: well, was it with maemo-mapper?22:15
AStormor some other tool that also provides directions?22:15
AStormor had you somehow managed to get mapper to issue you voice commands?22:15
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konttorihey, does anyone know how to refresh the font cache?22:18
zapfc-cache -f22:18
konttoriI'm adding theme maker support for installing new fonts along with the theme.22:18
konttorifc-cache doesn't seem to do the trick22:19
zapwait I know, I did that when I packaged my dejavu fonts22:19
* zap looks22:19
konttorimy guess there is some 'magic22:19
zapyou have to kick some process22:19
konttoriah. cool.22:19
zapfound it by trial and error22:19
zapfc-cache -f is needed anyway22:20
konttoriMan I was lucky. I did notice that reboot made the fonts available, so I would have also started the looking for the right process probably soon.22:20
AStormkonttori: mkfontdir22:20
AStormread its manpage22:20
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konttorisure. But is that enough? fc-cache does the same on 'normal' linux22:21
lcuklardman|tv, turn it off and back on again - i bet its fallen into the never lock cycle22:21
zapfc-cache -f -s22:22
zap/etc/init.d/maemo-launcher force-reload22:22
zapthats it22:22
AStormyes, -s forces mkfontdir :)22:22
konttoriThanks! I'm compiling now and testing in a sec.22:23
zfigzI'll play around with it...I get the same sip # each time.22:26
zfigzzap, I mostly don't want to use the gizmo app22:27
zfigzzap, it's so buggy.22:27
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zapCan you set up Gizmo to use an arbitrary SIP provider? I couldnt' find where its set up22:27
zfigzI think you can22:28
* thopiekar is searchn' for pinguinbait22:28
thopiekarhey qwerty, how are you?22:29
konttoriworked! Thanks zap!22:29
zapkonttori: np :)22:29
qwerty12_N800thopiekar, hey, i'm fine thanks, how about you?22:29
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thopiekarme too. thanks22:29
X-Fadekonttori: Are you coming to the summit?22:30
thopiekardo you and your people need an downloadmanager for your projects?22:30
thopiekarwith md5 inclued`22:30
konttoriWe will also have gnome desktop search hackfest that coincides with the maemo summit partially22:30
X-Fadekonttori: *hint*
X-Fadekonttori: I know, I approved the project this afternoon ;)22:31
lcukkonttori, its gaining real momentum now :D22:31
konttoristrigi, beagle, tracker, libferris, clucene and so on developers will also come. I've asked those guys to also try to join the maemo summit if possible22:31
konttoriX-Fade: ah. great!22:31
qwerty12_N800thopiekar, oh me? I need no download manager :)22:32
* lcuk needs to book hotel soon22:32
* konttori is checking the link22:32
konttoribut the server is soooo slow22:32
X-Fadekonttori: See everybody here:
lcukX-Fade, stop spamming links, you have slashdotted the server now by sending us there :P22:33
thopiekarbut there were file-download problems downloading KDE-for-NX022:33
thopiekaror not, qwerty??22:33
X-Fadelcuk: Well, I guess that is pretty normal for this time of day ;)22:33
konttorithanks X-Fade . I've now joined. I'll ask some other guys to do the same tomorrow22:34
* thopiekar is asking because he's working on a downloadmanager based on python22:34
X-FadeBut there is good hope that the server situation is solved before the summit.22:34
X-Fadekonttori: Thanks ;) Spread the word!22:34
qwerty12_N800thopiekar, no idea, i don't use kde. penguinbait may be a better person to ask as he does the installers and hosting22:34
konttorisure will.22:34
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qwerty12_N800thopiekar, cool, a dl manager will be nice :922:35
konttoriI hope we can publish tracker for the device at the summit.22:35
brontideI've packaged up sysctl stuff and ondemand tweaks, can someone see if this installs on a device without complaining?
konttoriIt's not as fast yet as I'd like in order to recommend it yet to you guys to use as the only backend. But.. let's see in a few weeks time.22:35
thopiekarok guys i'm gonna leave now22:35
lcukbrontide, what tweaks are these?22:36
thopiekarhappy hacking^^22:36
lcukcos i use performance all the time except locked22:36
konttoriwtf! 90 peope!22:36
* lcuk should really put support for auto lower cpu on lock22:36
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qwerty12_N800brontide, niice, will dpkg be enough or do you want me to use app manager22:36
X-Fadekonttori: We need to aim for 200 ;)22:36
brontideadds a sysctl.conf and associated /etc/init.d stuff + making the ondemand scheduler bump to 400mhz faster22:36
konttoriPaul Ryan from Ars technica . sweet!22:37
brontideand does a banner_ad_host exclusion list for dnsmasq22:37
X-Fadekonttori: It would be nice to have all the hackfest people there too.22:37
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brontideqwerty12_N800: should work on either ( I hope )22:37
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konttoriI hope many of those will be able to join.22:37
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qwerty12_N800brontide, great. i hate using hildon app manager because it's so slow :/22:38
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lcukbrontide, is it safe to install/remove?22:38
brontideit's a one-way right now... adding pre remove and post remove deb stuff as we speak22:39
konttoriqwerty12_N800:  You mean updating the list views?22:39
* lcuk is building a kickass listview as we speak22:40
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konttorilcuk: gtk based?22:40
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qwerty12_N800konttori, mainly startup times. it takes ages to ask me if i  want to install this deb22:40
lcukno - its in liqbase22:41
konttoriqwerty12_N800: probably connecting to the 'package dbs'22:41
lcukcant get graphics speed anywhere else22:41
* lcuk wishes he could slide yuv underneath x22:41
konttoriAh. indeed.22:41
qwerty12_N800brontide, hmm, it fcuked up dnsmasq22:41
* lcuk is hopeful we can use the omap and iva and pvr soon22:42
qwerty12_N800brontide join #pastebin because none of the sites are working22:42
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lcukkonttori, i did think my way around the problem though, i think its possible to force the yuv mode into an arbitary rectangle on the screen.  make it into a gtk widget for use22:44
konttoriwould sound quite tempting22:45
konttoria bit how mplayer is doing it (i guess)22:45
X-Fadelcuk: Isn't that what video in a window does? In the media player?22:45
lcukyer - all ive seen so far is fullscreen or windowed - as you say same as mplayer, but i think it should just work at an arbitary size22:46
zapnobody knows it22:46
zapexcept the guys at Nokia, of course22:46
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X-Fadezap: Good that konttori is a guy at Nokia ;)22:46
zapah, so it's a in-company session here22:47
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konttoriWell, I can try to ask tomorrow, but I am not the right person to know how to do it.22:47
X-Fadezap: How so? :)22:47
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lcukkonttori, its ok, was just a ponderment in a moment of madness :D22:48
lcukim thoroughly enjoying building everything myself, ive wanted a blank canvas i can touch for years22:48
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fluentishi sbaturzio22:50
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konttoriPhew. The new theme maker is now done. I'll publish tomorrow if possible.22:59
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qwerty12_N800Cool. Ever thought of making a os2007 to os2008 converter? :p.23:01
* qwerty12_N800 would like adria and appleenvy for os200823:01
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konttoriqwerty12_N800: well, it would probably require a bit of trickery as the templates have changed.23:15
qwerty12_N800konttori, yeah. it was just an idea. hopefully more os2008 themes are made with your theme creator :)23:17
konttoriI sure hope so.23:17
konttoriI've seen a few good ones already.23:17
konttoriI'll make a tutorial screencast soon to try to get a bit more people to do theming23:18
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qwerty12_N800I can see why using hildon-theme-tools would scare people off, but theme creator is brilliantly simple.23:18
konttorithanks. Oddly enough, the hildon theme tools were created as a mimic of theme maker23:19
konttoriMDK and tuomas kuosmanen were so excited about it.23:20
konttorianyway, such a shame mdk is gone now.23:20
konttori(to novell)23:20
qwerty12_N800heh, it's a very deviating mimic then...23:21
konttoriwell, they needed something that nicely falls into the nokia integration process.23:22
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lardman|tvAStorm: yes, maemo-mapper23:23
lardman|tvlcuk: never lock cycle?23:23
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lcuklardman|tv i said earlier, i left it trying to lock all afternoon without success, when i got back in, i power cycled my nit and put it back.  it locked within a few minutes23:25
robinklardman: Where's your DSP wiki page?23:26
* qwerty12_N800 downloaded maemo4.x_training_v1.0.tar.gz thinking it would be good... :(23:27
RST38hwhat was it?23:27
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lardmanlcuk: right, have restarted it23:28
lcuki gather it hadnt locked after ~2 hours?23:28
lardmanrobink: trying to get you an url, is very slow atm23:28
robinklardman: 'k23:28
lardmanlcuk: yeah, about that23:28
qwerty12_N800RST38h, no idea, something that was on tabletsdev...23:28
lardmanlcuk: had 11 sats though23:29
lcuki was practically ontop of a hotel with full clear view of a cloudless sky for an entire afternoon23:29
lcukit just never got a lock23:29
lardmansounds suspiciously like a fault in the GPS chipset code23:30
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qwerty12_N800anyone wants to drink pussy?23:31
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lardmanwell it's found one sat so far, will have to leave it be and see what happens....23:32
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* konttori is installing clutter to his osx23:37
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konttorijust to see how nicely clutter runs on that23:38
* lcuk wants to install clutter on his nit23:38
* RST38h doesn't want any clutter23:38
robinkWhat is clutter?23:39
lbtphew - there's a lot of logos!!23:39
lcuklbt, you get a sore finger scrollin down em all23:39
lbtI had an assistant23:39
lcukrobink, have a look23:40
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lbtshe has nice fingers :)23:40
konttoriclutter is opengl toolkit that sits on top of opengl23:40
konttorior opengl es23:40
* lbt hates 3d stuff and fancy opengl windows...23:41
lcuklbt, nothing to hate.  if done correctly a 3d ui should just work. agreed though, if done wrong it sucks ass23:42
* lbt is only jealous 'cos his dual-screen is too big for a viewport23:42
konttoriclutter is really 2d toolkit that just uses opengl for rendering23:42
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konttorisome say 2.5 d. I say 2d.23:42
* lcuk wishes c++ worked faster on device23:43
lbtvery accelerated 2d23:43
lbtlcuk: you should try Qt23:43
lbtI have a suspicion that gtkmm is slow23:43
lcukno, its compilation speed thats my kicker23:43
* konttori goes to bed23:43
lcukand lack of autotools23:43
lcukgnite konttori23:43
robinklardman: Thanks23:44
lbtah, reminds me when I used to work at SGI23:44
lbt'reality centre'23:44
konttorihey. clutter has finally page curl:
konttori(see the hello clutter lovers part)23:46
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kkrustyhas anyone bricked his n800 while playing with alsa?23:51
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zapkkrusty: were you reflashing the kernel every time?23:53
zapI was using the 'load the kernel into RAM and launch' whan I was playing with kernel23:53
zappretty handy23:53
kkrustyzap: no. I was writing random bytes to get noise in an infinite loop.23:54
kkrusty~lart kkrusty for what he did23:54
* infobot wallops kkrusty with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for what he did23:54
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zapkkrusty: to the alsa device??23:55
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zapthat should not brick the device in any way23:55
qwerty12_N800zap, you have kexec working on n8x0? :> :923:55
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kkrustyit hasnt. Its just stuck on the "nokia" screen23:55
zapqwerty12_N800: the nokia flasher tool has such a option23:56
zapqwerty12_N800: instead of flashing the kernel, you can just load it into RAM and launch23:56
zapfrom NOLO23:56
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zapkkrusty: have you tried to reflash it?23:56
qwerty12_N800zap, ah yes :), i forgot about that, thanks :)23:56
kkrustyzap I think its running the binary that writes random values on startup23:57
kkrustyI have no idea why23:57
zapkkrusty: I doubt that23:57
zapof course, if you haven't put your app into /etc/init.d23:57
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kkrustyzap: you're right23:58
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zapI'm right about what23:58
qwerty12_N800well, if you overclock the dsp hugely, you can brick the tablet...23:58
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zapqwerty12_N800: you mean, fry the hardware?23:59

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