| derf | Yeah... it depends on whether the patch can be "reasonably considered indpendent and separate". | 00:01 |
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| derf | One might argue (probably successfully), that a patch for code that can't compile without the original work is not "separate". | 00:01 |
| derf | So you may well be right. | 00:01 |
| GNUton | we can try to mail R. Stallman... :P | 00:01 |
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| GNUton | I think that him has a answer for us. | 00:02 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 00:02 |
| GNUton | Aloha! :) | 00:02 |
| jott | better ask eben moglen :) | 00:02 |
| GNUton | sbaturzio: are you just got up? | 00:02 |
| GNUton | jott: who is him? | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | jott, "The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of “patch files” with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | ." | 00:03 |
| sbaturzio | GNUton: no, just back home from work :) | 00:03 |
| jott | GNUton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen | 00:03 |
| GNUton | sbaturzio: a ok! :) now I know because you are so happy! ;) | 00:03 |
| sbaturzio | GNUton: :) | 00:03 |
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| jott | GNUton: anyway, it's obviously not an trivial task license wise (additionally given that there are many jurisdictions), hence the usual approach for tt is to let the contributors sign a copyright assignment form. | 00:07 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk: made ldmia/stmia work? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | no RST38bis - ill mark it as a bug for now | 00:12 |
| lcuk | its plenty fast enough without and i think its down to compile optimisations and im sure its thumb by default | 00:14 |
| RST38bis | btw, does xournal work properly on maemo? | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | dunno | 00:15 |
| jott | RST38bis: does not work for me on diablo... | 00:15 |
| jott | somthing about xo-hildon_ui.xml.. not cared to debug/trace the problem.. | 00:15 |
| jott | (but it worked fine under chinook) | 00:16 |
| RST38bis | anybody else tried using xournal, folks? | 00:16 |
| RST38bis | oh | 00:16 |
| RST38bis | it crashes on color selection and none of the tools work | 00:16 |
| jott | it does not even start here.. | 00:17 |
| RST38bis | does not start from the menu, yes | 00:17 |
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| GNUton | jott: do you have signed a copyright assignment form? | 00:20 |
| GNUton | I dont remember if I asked that to you. Your patches is very good. | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: debian or maemo? | 00:21 |
| RST38bis | maemo | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | odd.. i had it crashing in debian in same way when Xinput support was enabled | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:22 |
| jott | GNUton: yes, i recieved the form today. | 00:22 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 00:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | Someone cross finger for me i m trying my first package created onboard with my new packager tool | 00:36 |
| sp3000 | timeless: bugs.maemo chat in #maemo-meeting (garage foo and whatnot) | 00:36 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Any chance of you giving me (and crashanddie perhaps?) a heads-up regarding the site access? For example: Where did you just remove the limit that fixed Bug 3177? | 00:39 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: How do you mean? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | Blafasel, I'm guessing svn would be a good start | 00:39 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-commits/ | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | Right. Links/pointers to the accessible parts. Where would I even start searching for the repository and how is the access restricted? | 00:40 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: Subscribe here: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=106 | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | Both? | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | How much noise is on the commit one? | 00:41 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: No, first is web archive. | 00:41 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: Depends on how much work/fixes we do :) | 00:41 |
| X-Fade | Check the archive. | 00:41 |
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| Blafasel | Okay, found the project, the source, your fix. But that's a little counter-intuitive for newbies so far.. | 00:46 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, I'm guessing fixes must be reviewed before they're pushed live, right ? | 00:47 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-07-22.html | 00:47 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Sure, but now we have only 'inside' people making commits. | 00:47 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: So we would have to setup some ground rules of course. | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, is there a mob branch or something ? Where we could push the changes freely ? | 00:48 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: And all these changes are done on top of midgard: www.midgard-project.org | 00:48 |
| GNUton | jott: :) Great! | 00:49 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Got that already. ;) Reading some code right now. | 00:49 |
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| Blafasel | Maybe a list with important stuff (repository like maemo-extra, maemo-extra-devel are LINK_HERE, the website project is LINK_HERE, the wiki page are .. etc.) would be great as a starting point for someone with no clue but the will to help | 00:50 |
| jott | GNUton: i just wait for the reply of jens to see how we should proceed and hopefully within the week i can commit my fixes or let jens commit them upstream | 00:50 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: We use this midcom branch on maemo.org. http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/MidCOM_2_8 | 00:51 |
| GNUton | jott: I´m very happy for you! :) | 00:51 |
| GNUton | Hey it´s to late! | 00:53 |
| GNUton | jott: thank you very much for the good chat.. | 00:53 |
| GNUton | I go to bed.... it´s time to sleep! | 00:53 |
| GNUton | night | 00:54 |
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| RST38bis | is pidgin in extras now? | 01:05 |
| guenther | Why are there two bash packages? | 01:07 |
| guenther | repository extras-devel and diablo/sdk | 01:07 |
| guenther | It's confusing me. :) | 01:08 |
| guenther | Also, why is there no lightweight emacs with less than 30 MByte? ;) | 01:08 |
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| Blafasel | X-Fade: Got a really small bug again, confirmed it and now I'm looking at the sources, somewhat clueless. Interested in fixing another bug in probably < 5min (uhm.. clueless guesstimation) and thereby showing me how to find the right spot? | 01:22 |
| X-Fade | Shoot. | 01:24 |
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| Blafasel | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3389 | 01:25 |
| Blafasel | This one seems cosmetic and obviously easy to fix: The "Do you want sponsorship" checkbox is sent as Yes/No, the "I understand I need a visa" as 1/0 | 01:25 |
| Blafasel | I looked at the code below events/, but it was (yet) too much midgard magic for me | 01:26 |
| Blafasel | i.e. $event->dm_array_to_string($registration_dm); this should be somewhere up the stack for the problem? | 01:27 |
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| sp3000 | hahaa faad version: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 | 01:28 |
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| sp3000 | that's awesome | 01:28 |
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| Blafasel | X-Fade: If that's not obvious and I'm wrong: Don't bother, I'll figure it out. Just thought that looking at the commit might help me understanding some more stuff here (and fix another bug. Yay.) | 01:31 |
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| X-Fade | Blafasel: I'm not too familiar with that component. I don't know if that mail is styled or if it is defined in the module itself. | 01:44 |
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| gregorovius__ | could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background? is it too resource-intensive? | 01:46 |
| Blafasel | X-Fade: Well, the code there consists only of 6? 7? files and those don't seem to contain the contents. Any other place I can look for the definition? So far I'm browsing the repo like mad ;) | 01:47 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: yeah, so it probably is in net.nemein.registrations. | 01:47 |
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| Blafasel | Where'd that be? | 01:49 |
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| X-Fade | Blafasel: In the midgard-project repository. | 01:49 |
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| Blafasel | Damn! Garage (or maemo.org in general) is slow.. =( | 01:52 |
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| gregorovius__ | anybody? | 02:02 |
| flo_lap | gregorovius__: always ;) | 02:06 |
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| Blafasel | Yay. First attachmend for maemo bugzilla.. | 02:09 |
| Blafasel | attachment, even | 02:09 |
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| gregorovius__ | flo_lap, sorry, I didn't understand your answer | 02:13 |
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| flo_lap | gregorovius__: Well... I didn't understand your question. | 02:15 |
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| crashanddie | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/maemo-meeting.log | 02:19 |
| gregorovius__ | ok, I'm gonna try asking again :) could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background, and if it is too resource intensive? or barely noticeable? | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius__, it'll drain your battery, most probably | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | gregorovius__, the best way would just to launch a terminal and see how much CPU is used | 02:21 |
| gregorovius__ | oh, I don't have a n800 yet, i'm thinking of buying one, and I'm curious on how well it performs as a media player | 02:22 |
| gregorovius__ | basically if | 02:22 |
| gregorovius__ | sorry, basically if I can leave it open and the tablet on, or if I have to close it every time i | 02:22 |
| gregorovius__ | (damn laptop keyboard) every time I finish using it | 02:23 |
| Blafasel | I hope I won't get killed for spamming in bugzilla now.. | 02:25 |
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| zap | How I can add "thumb" to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? If I just set this in a environment variable, dpkg-buildpackage overrides it | 02:47 |
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| Atarii770 | Am i in? | 02:51 |
| GAN800 | No. | 02:53 |
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| Atarii770 | Woo rtcomm beta fully works with 2008HE | 02:54 |
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| pupnik | gregorovius__: you should be able to put the device to sleep with canola running and not have it take up cpu time | 02:55 |
| pupnik | if it's not playing anything. otherwise they have a real design problem. | 02:56 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: holy shite | 03:04 |
| rm_you | went from ~2700 downloads to ~4800 in like, a dau | 03:04 |
| rm_you | *day | 03:04 |
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| pupnik | some very nice mellow, reflective dubstep on right now... http://dubstep.fm/ | 03:07 |
| pupnik | http://www.dubstep.fm/listen.pls | 03:08 |
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| zap | doh | 03:09 |
| zap | mc compiled with -mthumb is 20% larger than pure 32-bit ARM | 03:09 |
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| rm_you | MUAHAHA! I can feel my face again! woot | 03:20 |
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| bef0rd | o_ô | 03:20 |
| * rm_you was at the dentist | 03:22 | |
| lcuk | http://gizmodo.com/5027378/real-dinosaur-on-the-loose-in-a-museum-makes-learning-fun-extremely-dangerous | 03:27 |
| lcuk | dentists are mean | 03:27 |
| lcuk | have you seen that &&& | 03:27 |
| lcuk | ^^^ even | 03:28 |
| rm_you | no | 03:29 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:29 |
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| lcuk | about half way down the comments someone has posted an about how they do it movie | 03:30 |
| lcuk | its amazing | 03:30 |
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| pupnik | what a great costume | 03:38 |
| lcuk | theres no1 inside it, but it is being controlled | 03:38 |
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| pupnik | eh? | 03:43 |
| pupnik | those legs look human | 03:43 |
| pupnik | look again | 03:44 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, that's awesome | 03:44 |
| lcuk | hmm yer i did | 03:44 |
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| lcuk | the second movie shows animatronic legs - you are of course right pupbik | 03:44 |
| lcuk | nik | 03:44 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, its amazing | 03:45 |
| pupnik | ohhh nice news on that site: http://gizmodo.com/5027606/osram-pushes-white-leds-to-world+record-brightness-super-efficiency | 03:46 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, would be awesome to work in that industry, too :P | 03:47 |
| lcuk | gremlins wont be happy | 03:47 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to do AI | 03:47 |
| lcuk | aii? | 03:47 |
| lcuk | have you seen the n770/800 puppy? | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | I did | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | s/did/have/ | 03:48 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: I have | 03:48 |
| lcuk | same principle - only this is afordable | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | infact.. | 03:48 |
| lcuk | ill put that down for another year | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | heh | 03:50 |
| lcuk | poo, its late and ive not finished what i started | 03:50 |
| crashanddie | liqbase controlled mass-murderer | 03:50 |
| crashanddie | liqkill | 03:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:50 |
| crashanddie | "Hello Michael" comes to mind xD | 03:50 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 03:50 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 03:50 |
| lcuk | better than your control software: crash-os crash-robot crash-car crash-plane | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | who said my software is called crash-* ? | 03:51 |
| mikkov_ | is there easier way to check build-depencies than autobuilder? now trying 4th time ;) | 03:51 |
| lcuk | well what is it then (die-*) | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | Firestarter, Breathe, Narayan, Climbatize, Mindfields, Tick Tock, QBG | 03:52 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, you should mark everything you use in your project and not leave anything out | 03:52 |
| lcuk | Firstarter-car Breathe-set TickTock-os | 03:53 |
| lcuk | set? i mean jet | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, all those names have a link :) Will you find it ? :P | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | (one google search should give the answer) | 03:53 |
| mikkov_ | lcuk, yes but it's not written by me. anyway eventually it will build :) | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 03:53 |
| lcuk | gnite | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | take care, see you tomorrow | 03:54 |
| lcuk | if you are going then i deffo am | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | I'm wasted | 03:54 |
| crashanddie | only slept about 30 minutes | 03:54 |
| lcuk | mikkov_, can you build it locally | 03:55 |
| mikkov_ | yes | 03:55 |
| mikkov_ | there were some "hidden" depencies | 03:55 |
| lcuk | just take each lib in turn from the makefile and double check which package it comes from | 03:56 |
| lcuk | thats what i will end up doin anyway. it might not be the right way but i will know then once all items from libs are found and listed it should work | 03:57 |
| lcuk | anyway, im off 2 bed | 03:57 |
| lcuk | gnite chan | 03:57 |
| mikkov_ | nite | 03:58 |
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| mikkov_ | now it's building ok :) | 04:06 |
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| summatusmentis | hi all | 05:04 |
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| hfwilke | is there an app that would let me do a remote desktop to my n800? | 06:24 |
| hfwilke | from a linux machine | 06:24 |
| pupnik | hfwilke: would your n800 be nearby? | 06:26 |
| pupnik | if so, you can install synergy or quicksynergy and control your tablet with computer mouse/keyboard | 06:26 |
| hfwilke | n800 is in another room hooked to the stereo | 06:27 |
| hfwilke | I want to control the internet radio stream from my desktop | 06:27 |
| hfwilke | really just start and stop | 06:27 |
| hfwilke | I am running slimserver on my desktop | 06:28 |
| derf | Just ssh in and use mplayer or something. | 06:28 |
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| hfwilke | I guess that woud work | 06:28 |
| hfwilke | I assume I can control mplayer from li then | 06:29 |
| derf | Where "li" means "the command line", yes. | 06:29 |
| hfwilke | li = cli | 06:30 |
| hfwilke | oops | 06:30 |
| hfwilke | I can't type | 06:30 |
| derf | I'm sure mplayer has a GUI interface. | 06:30 |
| derf | I've never used it. | 06:30 |
| bef0rd | you are probably better using mpd | 06:32 |
| hfwilke | I was hoping to stick with slimserver | 06:33 |
| hfwilke | I am happy with how it generates playlists from my large collection | 06:33 |
| hfwilke | don't know anything about mpd | 06:34 |
| bef0rd | what are you using to play the music on the n800? | 06:35 |
| hfwilke | just the internet radio applet | 06:35 |
| hfwilke | it's an mp3 stream | 06:35 |
| bef0rd | http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/What_MPD_Is_and_Is_Not | 06:39 |
| hfwilke | reading... | 06:40 |
| bef0rd | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd | 06:40 |
| bef0rd | you could install mpd on the n800 | 06:40 |
| bef0rd | and control it remotely with a TCP client I believe | 06:41 |
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| hfwilke | my music is all on my desktop | 06:41 |
| hfwilke | sd cards are not big enough to put my music on the n800 | 06:41 |
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| hfwilke | I can control slimserver from any computer in the network, including the n800, but there is a 30 secind lag b/c the n800 has buffered that much | 06:42 |
| hfwilke | I wanted to control the n800 so I could do a quick start/stop if I wanted to | 06:43 |
| hfwilke | ok..mplayer works from command line | 06:45 |
| hfwilke | not pretty...but working | 06:45 |
| hfwilke | thanks derf and bef0rd, I'll just have to keep playing | 06:48 |
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| texel | Jaffa: ping? | 07:12 |
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| acydlord | so, final verdict on my N810, Nokia gave me an RMA ticket | 08:04 |
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| texel | Whoa. | 08:16 |
| texel | I managed to get kanatest to build! | 08:16 |
| texel | Now, to hildonize! =o) | 08:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fuck | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Dark Knight was unreal | 08:40 |
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| acydlord | ofcourse, it's a movie :p | 08:43 |
| acydlord | i've heard it was awesome though | 08:43 |
| acydlord | I want to see it but i'm not lifting my MPAA boycott | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fantastically dark stuff. | 08:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ledger's Joker is about as perfect as it could get. | 08:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 09:23 |
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| acydlord | ahoy! | 09:27 |
| Khertan_n810 | x-fade > are u here ? | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | hi acydlore | 09:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve uploaded a source package to extrasdevel bulder | 09:33 |
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| Khertan_n810 | package s built for target i86 but not for armel is there something specifics to do ? | 09:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | for target 'maemo-diablo-i386-extras-devel' | 09:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | everyone is sleeping ? :) | 09:37 |
| Dekaritae | No | 09:37 |
| XTLi | Yes | 09:38 |
| Knirch | maybe | 09:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | 42 | 09:40 |
| Dekaritae | Multi-touch! | 09:40 |
| Dekaritae | Writing a little Vancouver transit map viewer in Ruby | 09:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m writing a package source making application to be able to buid deb on board and send them to extras builder | 09:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | without the need of dpkg-buildpackage :) | 09:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Huhu !!!! i ve successfully do it ! packages source created and uploaded from my nit | 09:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | does the list of section for extras repository is finalized ? | 09:56 |
| GAN800 | No | 09:56 |
| GAN800 | We need to get a wiki task up to discuss that. | 09:56 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum ... bad | 09:57 |
| GAN800 | feel free to help out. ;) | 09:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ll do :) | 09:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | i vote for debian one ! | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 09:59 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade will love you for it. ;) | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | other question, why when source package specify arch=all | 09:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | target is only x86 ? | 10:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | and not x86 and armel ? | 10:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | gan800> i ve enought borring x-fade with my non standart packages :) | 10:01 |
| GAN800 | there's never enough boring X-ade. :D | 10:03 |
| GAN800 | s/ade/Fade/ | 10:03 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: there's never enough boring X-Fade. :D | 10:03 |
| pupnik | Khertan_n810: will you make a web page for your package builder? | 10:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | pupnik ? a webpages ? | 10:05 |
| GAN800 | wiki page! wiki page! | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll made a page on my site and in maemo wiki | 10:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | pupnik > but i ll finaliz it before | 10:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | preview version is in extras-devel repository | 10:07 |
| pupnik | cool | 10:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | py2deb | 10:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | python2.5-py2deb | 10:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s a python module | 10:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | and if you execute py2deb.py, it create his own source package with signed .changes and .dsc | 10:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | so you can use extras assistant to upload it to extra builder | 10:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | connection could drop i m in the train | 10:10 |
| pupnik | ty | 10:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | ty ? | 10:10 |
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| GAN800 | trickie, I'm pondering on a website for Community Kernels, any ideas/requests? | 10:16 |
| trickie | GAN800: good morning | 10:16 |
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| trickie | yes i had a few ideas | 10:17 |
| GAN800 | Goos morning to you. :) | 10:17 |
| GAN800 | Good | 10:17 |
| trickie | i have some patches that add kprobes for ARM in 2.6.21 | 10:17 |
| trickie | mainly for trying out systemtap | 10:17 |
| trickie | but it is a bit of a mission to actually get to the point where you can run systemtap scripts | 10:17 |
| trickie | so i was thinking of some tutorials etc for people trying out *special* kernel features | 10:18 |
| trickie | and maybe some info on benchmarking certain additions abd config options | 10:18 |
| trickie | i haven't looked at garage too closely... so i don't know if that kind of thing will be easy to integrate | 10:19 |
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| trickie | kind of wiki pacgaes i guess | 10:19 |
| trickie | pages | 10:19 |
| GAN800 | Maybe better to stick that stuff on the wiki; | 10:19 |
| trickie | yes i guess so | 10:20 |
| trickie | im without internet ATM, except here at work... so im kind of stuck for a chance to do much right now | 10:20 |
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| trickie | but im hoping it comes on this week | 10:20 |
| GAN800 | Sucky | 10:21 |
| trickie | i guess one of the first things is to start collecting patches and making sure we don't miss anything | 10:21 |
| trickie | i think even before we know how to build them for extras-devel we should be keeping them in at least the svn at garage | 10:22 |
| trickie | i was also thinking that maybe getting most patches into a quilt set will make it easier to maintain and build a kernel with all or only some patches | 10:25 |
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| trickie | GAN800: anyway... back to boring work :) | 10:32 |
| trickie | GAN800: ill be *online* again soon i hope | 10:32 |
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| GAN800 | Hehe, we need somebody with some free time to help push this. | 10:32 |
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| trickie | GAN800: well i intend to, i have been playing with building different kernels (+patches) in mamona, so i have some ideas from doing that also | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
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| atul | I am trying to open "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png", this url in my application but it says Host not found ? | 11:03 |
| XTLi | Can the app resolve some other address | 11:05 |
| oilinki | did this went to a correct place or should I open an new thread ? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=206120#post206120 | 11:06 |
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| zap | Anybody uses netcat here? For some reason it does not do any tcp connections here. Just silently quits. | 11:13 |
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| XTLi | Strace it? | 11:16 |
| zap | I did | 11:16 |
| zap | something very strange happens :-) it reads /etc/services and then instantly quits | 11:16 |
| XTLi | Funny | 11:17 |
| zap | oh well, it's an ancient version anyway. I'll update it to the latest-and-greatest when I'll have a little time | 11:17 |
| XTLi | Can you start it in gdb then and break nearby and look closer? :) | 11:17 |
| zap | I don't have any debugging tool on n810 | 11:17 |
| XTLi | Upgrading can heal old sw, yes | 11:18 |
| zap | :) | 11:18 |
| zap | especially when you upgrade from version 0.7.1 to 1.84 | 11:18 |
| XTLi | Haven't tried netcat or any debugger on a nit so far myself :) | 11:18 |
| zap | I prefer scratchbox in qemu :) | 11:19 |
| XTLi | I probably did in scratchbox but that was a broken scratchbox | 11:19 |
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| XTLi | Upgrading helped :D | 11:19 |
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| spcui | Hi all | 11:24 |
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| texel | GAN800: any idea if there's an effort to create a proper firewall for maemo kernels using iptables? | 11:25 |
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| texel | GAN800: I've tried my hand at building my own stuff using ip_conntrack but unfortunately that requires the ip_conntrack modules (of course) which aren't in the standard installs. | 11:26 |
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| zap | texel: so far haven't heard of this | 11:26 |
| texel | Hm. | 11:26 |
| zap | do you have in mind some gui tool to set up iptables? | 11:27 |
| texel | Kinda. | 11:27 |
| zap | or just plain port of iptables / some startup script? | 11:27 |
| texel | I was thinking that initially just build a package containing the proper ip_conntrack modules first. | 11:28 |
| texel | Then build a proper gui to maintain the rules. | 11:28 |
| zap | indeed, that's the basic requirement :) | 11:28 |
| texel | Something along the lines of ufw. | 11:28 |
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| zap | why you'd need a firewall on the tablet btw? :) | 11:28 |
| texel | With all of the usage of SSH and other services on the NITs... | 11:28 |
| texel | ...it seems like something we'd really want to setup. Especially with all the roaming networks these devices connect to. | 11:29 |
| zap | :) | 11:29 |
| texel | zap: it's safer to have a firewall enabled in a device as mobile as the NITs. | 11:29 |
| zap | maybe it's a bit paranoia, but many will want it, indeed | 11:29 |
| texel | Regardless of whether or not you have any services running. | 11:29 |
| spcui | Anyboby know how to use GConf on N810? | 11:29 |
| texel | Because some kernel exploits have been uncovered that are in the deeper levels of the kernel. =op | 11:30 |
| texel | And just receiving a packet is enough to cause problems. | 11:30 |
| texel | Ie: land attacks. | 11:30 |
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| wnd | spcui, you may want to more specific than that | 11:30 |
| zap | "Flashable linux kernel for SU-18 hardware" <- omg, what's SU-18? | 11:30 |
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| texel | Having an iptables rule to drop any packets that don't relate to any outbound connections is much safer. | 11:30 |
| timely | zap: 770 | 11:30 |
| melmoth | spcui: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/10/gconftool-2-gconf-editor-from-the-shell/ | 11:30 |
| zap | timeless: ah | 11:31 |
| zap | oops sorry, wrong dst ip :) | 11:31 |
| spcui | thanks, let me see it | 11:31 |
| timely | texel: yes. don't let people ssh to their tablets :) | 11:32 |
| timely | and don't let them run web servers on their tablets | 11:32 |
| texel | timely: No, that's not what I meant. | 11:32 |
| XTLi | Su-18 sounds like a russian military plane of some sort | 11:33 |
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| * zap would love a kernel-dev package | 11:33 | |
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| texel | timely: I meant that it gives them more control over who /can/ access their tablets. | 11:33 |
| texel | Right now it's all or nothing. | 11:33 |
| texel | Which is very dangerous. | 11:33 |
| spcui | aa | 11:34 |
| texel | TBH, with the ssh vulnerabilities that have happened in the past, it's dangerous to just allow anyone to access that port. | 11:34 |
| texel | In my specific situation, I'd be happy allowing only my local subnet access to the ssh port on my tablet. | 11:34 |
| texel | In that case, I can still roam with the device. | 11:35 |
| texel | Without manually turning on and off the ssh service. | 11:35 |
| texel | And ssh remains secured (for the most part). | 11:35 |
| texel | Anybody who doesn't want that functionality doesn't have to install the package, obviously. =op | 11:36 |
| zap | :) | 11:37 |
| texel | But having it there is a better option than not having it at all. | 11:37 |
| zap | I wonder how you'll package the source code for the drivers | 11:37 |
| texel | After all | 11:37 |
| zap | or maybe its enough to upload just the binaries... | 11:37 |
| texel | A unix machine is only as secure as the administrator allows it to be. | 11:37 |
| XTLi | Very well. Make it so. | 11:37 |
| texel | zap: I'm not sure how, but I'll figure it out. =o) | 11:38 |
| zap | its your first tablet project? | 11:38 |
| texel | Nope. | 11:38 |
| timely | texel: fwiw, the interesting version of ssh was never released to our devices | 11:38 |
| texel | timely: true. | 11:38 |
| zap | fine then :) | 11:38 |
| timely | (it was scheduled, but ...) | 11:38 |
| texel | timely: but ssh in the past has had other vulnerabilities that are concerning. | 11:38 |
| texel | This protects against future attacks. | 11:38 |
| texel | Regardless of /where/ the vulnurability lives. | 11:38 |
| texel | Be it in SSH, or the kernel itself. | 11:39 |
| zap | or in the admin's curved hands | 11:39 |
| texel | Eh. | 11:39 |
| texel | I'm not wanting to protect the user from himself. =o) | 11:39 |
| texel | I want to protect the user from automated crackbots on random lans. | 11:39 |
| zap | I'm usually setting up iptables to allow 3 connects to port 22 in 1 minute | 11:40 |
| texel | zap: I was thinking about pulling out the individual code from the kernel tree and building it like an external, non-in-tree module would. | 11:40 |
| zap | then it bans for 5 minutes | 11:40 |
| zap | this protects the user from weak and dictionary passwords :) | 11:40 |
| * texel nods | 11:40 | |
| texel | Right. | 11:40 |
| timely | allowPass No | 11:40 |
| texel | Really, the base modules for iptables is there. | 11:40 |
| texel | It's ip_conntrack I'm interested in. | 11:40 |
| XTLi | Fail2ban is also nice | 11:41 |
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| zap | ipt_recent,ipt_REJECT,xt_tcpudp,xt_state,xt_owner,xt_multiport,xt_mark,xt_MARK,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,ip_tables | 11:41 |
| texel | timely: what if there's a vulnerability in the SSH protocol itself? Say in the key-exchange phase? | 11:41 |
| zap | that's whats used on my modest home fw | 11:41 |
| texel | zap: mine's a little more strict, but then I'm on a static IP, so I'm in a bit more dangerous situation, methinks. =op | 11:42 |
| timely | texel: you're i trouble :) | 11:42 |
| texel | timely: exactly. =o) | 11:42 |
| zap | I'm on a static ip as well :) | 11:42 |
| texel | Heh | 11:42 |
| timely | but seriously. i'm opposed to password ssh | 11:42 |
| timely | it's stupid | 11:42 |
| timely | it's true that you can seriously **** key based ssh | 11:42 |
| zap | but I'm behind an asus linux router though :) so my firewall mostly idles | 11:42 |
| timely | and congrats to those people who managed to do it | 11:42 |
| texel | Heh | 11:42 |
| timely | but it's still much better not to use password auth | 11:42 |
| texel | True. | 11:43 |
| texel | But the best solution is to only allow ssh from trusted hosts in the first place. =o) | 11:43 |
| zap | password is needed when you're in some place where you don't have your ssh prv key with you | 11:43 |
| texel | (which is what I do on my personal home network) | 11:43 |
| timely | for people curious, they were nominated for an award: http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#mass0wnage | 11:43 |
| texel | Heh | 11:43 |
| texel | Awesome. =o) | 11:43 |
| zap | trusted hosts is good if you're moving between several hosts | 11:43 |
| XTLi | I think auth should generally be done by agents all around | 11:44 |
| zap | but you never know where you'll be tomorrow | 11:44 |
| timely | zap: what, you don't have your key on a password protected usb keychain? | 11:44 |
| timely | or better, on your password protected microsd card embedded in your nokia phone :) | 11:44 |
| * timely plugs the e61i | 11:44 | |
| texel | Heh | 11:44 |
| texel | I wouldn't trust a phone for that. | 11:44 |
| texel | Especially one that doesn't have strong network security, either. =o) | 11:45 |
| texel | Offline storage for me, thanks. =o) | 11:45 |
| XTLi | One-time passwords, securid type thing etc are also there | 11:45 |
| XTLi | Auth is still challenge-based but the tools are offline | 11:45 |
| texel | zap: heh -- true. But then, that depends on the trusted host. =o) | 11:45 |
| texel | XTLi: too expensive, though. | 11:46 |
| XTLi | The problem with authenticating naked people remains | 11:46 |
| texel | Anywho. | 11:47 |
| texel | I was just curious if there was already an effort in progress. | 11:47 |
| texel | No need to duplicate efforts. =o) | 11:47 |
| XTLi | Unless you can do better and faster | 11:48 |
| timely | > Apologies for the first reply-to-all - I see how easy that is to do! ;) | 11:48 |
| * timely grins | 11:48 | |
| * timely sighs | 11:48 | |
| timely | i'm on a list that has something like 20 documents that i may or may need to print | 11:48 |
| timely | as requirements for entering a country | 11:48 |
| XTLi | Iptables stuff, maybe even a control panel might be neat to have available | 11:49 |
| XTLi | Haven't seen any previous effort | 11:49 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:50 |
| * Khertan is Happy ! | 11:50 | |
| * Khertan can now send dpkg-buildpackage compliant source package to extras builder ! | 11:51 | |
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| texel | XTLi: hm. Okay. Well, I'll see about hacking something together, then. =o) | 11:54 |
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| Khertan | huhu ... with my new python packager tool i can make package on windows too ... | 12:16 |
| Khertan | ; | 12:16 |
| Khertan | ;) | 12:16 |
| Khertan | hum ... but sign don't work | 12:16 |
| XTLi | Some vpns might be nice too. Those I think there's at least one | 12:16 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: told you it was possible ;-) | 12:17 |
| XTLi | Uniting firewall, vpn, maybe filter proxy or even tor... | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: are there any signing libraries you can use to avoid a dep on gpg? Although, I suppose gpg's ported to practically everything anyway | 12:17 |
| XTLi | Other systems might appreciate a general mobile friendly controller | 12:18 |
| XTLi | Too | 12:18 |
| Khertan | yes ... but making debian package source on windows isn't my priority | 12:18 |
| blafasel | Regarding the ssh topic: One time passwords are a nice approach for that. | 12:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:18 |
| blafasel | Combined with a generator on your phone/mobile | 12:18 |
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| Khertan | Blafasel > one time password ... burk ! | 12:19 |
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| Blafasel | Khertan: I like it, I carry my key only on "trusted" devices. For quick-let-me-connect-from-somewhere I resort to generated passwords. | 12:22 |
| Khertan | Blafasel > arf ... i only use trusted device :) | 12:22 |
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| Blafasel | Khertan: That's probably even better. ;) Doesn't work for me though | 12:23 |
| Khertan | but i m not only on trusted network ... | 12:26 |
| Khertan | i mainly use my n810 for everythings :) | 12:26 |
| Veggen | hmm. n810 is almost the perfect travel device. | 12:30 |
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| Khertan | Veggen > perfect device (travel or not) | 12:35 |
| Khertan | ! | 12:35 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:35 |
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| XTLi | Ahs, ass. | 12:36 |
| XTLi | It may well grow up to be really handy, though | 12:37 |
| XTLi | It already is pretty handy | 12:37 |
| texel | Heh | 12:37 |
| texel | No arguments there. | 12:37 |
| XTLi | It's probably not getting lighter, though | 12:39 |
| XTLi | Or less slippery | 12:39 |
| XTLi | Doesn't hurt for use or travel but annoys in pocket | 12:39 |
| texel | So. | 12:40 |
| texel | Here's a random question for you guys: | 12:40 |
| texel | Why in the hell does kanatest install into /usr/games? =op | 12:40 |
| texel | When it's not a game? | 12:40 |
| XTLi | It's feeling impish? | 12:42 |
| XTLi | I don't know why there is /usr/games | 12:44 |
| XTLi | Probably something the bsd hippies have cooked up | 12:44 |
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| Khertan | :) | 12:48 |
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| mikkov_ | debian describes kanatest as "Kanatest is a simple hiragana and katakana drill game" -> /usr/games | 13:02 |
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| binky | Hi there | 13:08 |
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| crashanddie | binky binks in and out of the channel :D | 13:11 |
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| Khertan | http://scribes.sourceforge.net > really nice text editor | 13:15 |
| texel | mikkov_: yeah, but technically it's not a game... It's a drill program for education. =op | 13:16 |
| crashanddie | yuck, it has automatic completion | 13:17 |
| Khertan | this is not the only things | 13:19 |
| Khertan | maybe i ll take a look to see if i can port it :) | 13:19 |
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| Khertan | it s in pygtk | 13:20 |
| Khertan | as i ve already port gtksourceview ... this should not be difficult | 13:20 |
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| crashanddie | as long as it's lightweight | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | Heavy stuff is useless on an NIT | 13:26 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie> yes of course ... | 13:28 |
| Khertan | this why i say port ... it need to be a bit modified to be usefull on nit | 13:28 |
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| Khertan | but from what i see in source code ... it ll be better i think to just add some features to pygtkeditor ... | 13:29 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 13:34 |
| RST38h | khertan: still having packaging problems? | 13:34 |
| texel | Hm. Anybody have any luck with the maemocjk project in Diablo? | 13:37 |
| Khertan | RST38h > no it s over now :) | 13:37 |
| Khertan | RST38h > i ve made my own package source creator ... based on a existing one mixing with pypackager ... | 13:38 |
| Khertan | RST38h > it s not finished ... but it work on a nit | 13:38 |
| Khertan | RST38h > and available in extras-devel :) (autogenerated) | 13:38 |
| Khertan | RST38h > py2deb ;) | 13:39 |
| Khertan | i need to add pre/post install/remove scripts ... | 13:41 |
| Khertan | and some other little things | 13:41 |
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| Khertan | and integrate all of this with PyPackager. | 13:41 |
| Khertan | i ll do also a new version of PyPackager from scratch ;) | 13:41 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:43 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone else seeing broken formatting on p.m.o? | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmm I see it too. | 14:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on florian's name? | 14:05 |
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| Jaffa | s/florian/dneary/ | 14:05 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: X-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on dneary's name? | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | x-fade > does check with lintian is made on autobuilder ? | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_n810: not atm, | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx jaffa | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | could u do one check with it for me on python2.5-py2deb ? | 14:08 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan_n810: I'll do that a bit later, need to fix this planet crap first ;) | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | yep no prob | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | thx | 14:10 |
| Khertan_n810 | priority is low :) | 14:10 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ps : i vote for debian section in maemo repository :) | 14:12 |
| hrw | Khertan_n810: what for? | 14:13 |
| Khertan_n810 | have only debian section admitted in section of control file package | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, how quick is the turnaround for the autobuilder? can it be made "near realtime" so i can do away with vmware and scratchbox? | 14:16 |
| mgedmin | hahahaha | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | hi, lcuk | 14:17 |
| lcuk | mornin marius :) | 14:17 |
| zap | What player is this: http://repository.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/brisa/screenshots/screenshot12.png ? | 14:17 |
| mgedmin | zap: canola | 14:17 |
| lcuk | that looks more polished than i remember | 14:18 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > i ll say 15 min | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | probably canola2 | 14:18 |
| XTLi | Slow-ola | 14:18 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, damn, bit longer than doing it manually then. | 14:18 |
| mgedmin | let-me-take-over-all-your-screen-for-30-seconds-while-I-m-starting-up-ola? | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | ya | 14:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | but most of the time it take 2-3 min | 14:19 |
| mgedmin | anyway, it's pretty | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah, it is crappy html in the first article. | 14:19 |
| lcuk | i might just leave a build laptop running with a bit or sync magic from my 810 | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: So the article breaks layout. | 14:19 |
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| Khertan_n810 | come back to work | 14:20 |
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| Jaffa | Facinating: http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ah, the dangers of aggregation | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yep :) | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | I've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen. | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | anymore. | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool. whitelisting's always better | 14:30 |
| hrw | X-Fade: what is on a list? | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | hrw: ? | 14:31 |
| hrw | 23 13:30 < X-Fade> I've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen. | 14:32 |
| hrw | my blog is aggregated on p.m.o so I want to know what can get stripped | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Ah ;) | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | hrw: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em> | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | Is allowed now. | 14:33 |
| hrw | add h3, h4, h5 | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | I can add more of course. | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | and <code> | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | and <var> | 14:33 |
| hrw | and object, embed | 14:33 |
| hrw | and ol | 14:33 |
| hrw | abbr | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | and dl, dt, dd | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | Ehm, can we make a list somewhere :) | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | Start a wiki page with what you've got so far | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | we'll add more to the talk page | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | I now have: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em><h2><h3><h4><code><var><object><embed><ol><abbr><dl><dt><dd> | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | Let's see it that is enough, if something needs to be added you can always ping me or file an enhancement bug against planet. | 14:36 |
| hrw | h4 h5 h6 | 14:37 |
| hrw | I use h3-h5 in my posts | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: agreed | 14:37 |
| hrw | <hr /> would be also good to have | 14:37 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: http://friendpaste.com/9suZXjsc | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: That is a lintian check for your package. | 14:43 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > really hard review of openmoki | 14:44 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > really hard review of openmoko | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: French dates in changelog and no extended description is what pops out ;) | 14:45 |
| Khertan | thx X-Fade | 14:45 |
| Khertan | no errors ... only warning ... not too bad :) | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: E == error. | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: And I see one of them ;) | 14:46 |
| Khertan | ah ... oups ... haven't see it | 14:46 |
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| Khertan | arg too bad | 14:47 |
| Khertan | ! | 14:47 |
| Khertan | extended description missing ... and need to fix changelog ... but it's not too bad :) | 14:48 |
| Khertan | need to add x-maemo-icon ... | 14:48 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > thx for your help | 14:50 |
| pupnik_ | and if I wear apathy's crown... don't call me highness. It's a long, way, down. | 14:51 |
| pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlm4v6i80c Oh Man, look what the cat drug in | 14:51 |
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| rmrfchik | where i can get nokia sans fonts? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | on your device always arent they? | 14:59 |
| aquatix | re-get them through apt | 14:59 |
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| hrw | you know what? I would like to get os2009 compield with recent tools... | 15:02 |
| hrw | osso-games-startup fails on gcc 4.3.1 | 15:03 |
| Khertan | os2009 ? | 15:05 |
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| hrw | Khertan: os2008 will stick with current toolchain etc | 15:07 |
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| hrw | Khertan: so we would need os2009 to get any updates but will it happen.. | 15:08 |
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| * lcuk looks forward to os2020 neural interface direct to nokioogle hq | 15:09 | |
| * RST38h looks forward to s60 touch | 15:10 | |
| RST38h | btw, fondled e71 today. Pretty nice but no match to e70 kbd-wise | 15:11 |
| * lcuk doesnt look forward and bangs into a lamppost | 15:11 | |
| RST38h | lamppoist 1 : lcuk 0 | 15:11 |
| RST38h | gentlemen, am I right to assume that xournal is unusable on diablo? | 15:12 |
| Khertan | ? | 15:12 |
| RST38h | crashes on color selection and none of tools work | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | but it compiles, right? | 15:13 |
| RST38h | even available from extras! | 15:14 |
| Khertan | oh ... just received a new mail from maemo extras builder ... | 15:14 |
| Khertan | python2.5-py2deb 0.4.3 is available in extras ... :) | 15:14 |
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| RST38h | hoho | 15:15 |
| RST38h | your lucky day :) | 15:15 |
| lcuk | lol RST38h not really, he submitted v 3.72.5493 this morning. ;) | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, :) glad you got it in anyway. is this the first one you have sent through the new autobuilder? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | or the first one sent through with builds from itself | 15:16 |
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| Khertan | the first package source builded on my device which is compliant with dpkg-buildpackage and can be uploaded by maemo extras builder :) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: And doesn't have 2 pages of lintian warnings ;) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | \o/ w00t | 15:18 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > and this :) | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: You are really getting there! | 15:18 |
| Khertan | yes ... finally | 15:18 |
| lcuk | x-fade, does it still warn about the date formatting? i would have thought an international program wouldnt care | 15:18 |
| Khertan | it still need tuning ... but final version is near | 15:19 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: personal-menu is broken in the repo | 15:19 |
| Khertan | like limit to only maemo accepted section ... | 15:19 |
| RST38h | reports wrong package size whatever it means | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: There is not much I can do about that. | 15:20 |
| lcuk | dpkg-buildpackage penis.deb "Error: Package too small" | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Or was it a size mismatch error? | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, old | 15:20 |
| lcuk | so am i :) | 15:21 |
| RST38h | xfade: it was | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, that's what I was saying | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | :D | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Chinook? | 15:21 |
| RST38h | no, diablo | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | extras-devel I presume? | 15:21 |
| RST38h | cant remember, may be extras | 15:22 |
| * lcuk is v tired today | 15:22 | |
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| RST38h | also, maemo recorder does not install | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Should be fixed now. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | reports unspecified problem | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | The first one at least ;) | 15:23 |
| Khertan | where is the page with the discussion about repository section ... can't found it | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: I don't think there is a wiki page yet. But they are listed in the Maemo Packaging Policy. | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 15:26 |
| RST38h | xfade: =) going to test tonight | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Page 10. | 15:26 |
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| X-Fade | "The section of packages in the user segment SHOULD be one of the following: accessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, themes, tools.3 The sections in this list will appear correctly localized in the Application Manager." | 15:27 |
| Khertan | thx | 15:27 |
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| * RST38h would add emulators to the list | 15:28 | |
| RST38h | have to classify em as other or games for now | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: As seen in: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | "2008-06-10 Better extras categories and debtags Niels 0% Proposal needs to be drafted in wiki page " | 15:29 |
| RST38h | yep | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | As you can see, I haven't made any progress with that and could use some help :) | 15:29 |
| RST38h | xfade: btw adding icons to these categories will both make ui prettier and create incentive for packagers to list correct category | 15:30 |
| RST38h | i.e. wrong category name --> no icon at app manager top level | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager ;) | 15:32 |
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| Khertan | p["/usr/lib/mcalendar"] = ["src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar.glade","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py"] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | p["/usr/share/applications/hildon"] = ["src/usr/share/applications/hildon/mcalendar.desktop",] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | p["/usr/share/dbus-1/services"] = ["src/usr/share/dbus-1/services/mcalendar.service",] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | p["/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps"] = ["src/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/mcalendar.png",] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | p["/usr/share/pixmaps"] = ["src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar26.png","src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar.png",] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | p["/usr/bin"] = ["src/usr/bin/mcalendar",] | 15:36 |
| Khertan | oups ... dsl | 15:36 |
| Khertan | sorry | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | lol @ oups | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | french reflexes taking over? :P | 15:36 |
| Khertan | french reflexes ... this was that | 15:37 |
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| draco_ | hi | 15:37 |
| draco_ | is there any working location for vim port of maemo? | 15:37 |
| draco_ | that I can download | 15:37 |
| draco_ | the one on maemo.org gives server error | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | isn't vi installed by default ? | 15:38 |
| Khertan | about https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager#Grid_view ... what to say ... great job | 15:39 |
| draco_ | "vim" | 15:39 |
| draco_ | not that I want software development on maemo but that's the only viable solution I found for translating po files on the device | 15:40 |
| draco_ | if there's any other translation application that you know I can live w/o vim | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, I have to say, GA did a terrific job with those mockups, though, I'd like to see it in something else that pure GTK-fashioned windows | 15:41 |
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| XTLi | Vim and/or gim would be good to have | 15:41 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan, in a way, a liqbase/canola -ish interface, as snappy as liqbase, but a bit more stylish like canola | 15:42 |
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| rmrfchik | lcuk: I want them (fonts) on my workstation. | 15:44 |
| rmrfchik | My device ran out of energy now, can't download ;) | 15:44 |
| XTLi | That wiki page is good. Really good. | 15:46 |
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| mgedmin | mmm, vim... | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | XTLi: Now we need someone to push it and code it up ;) | 15:47 |
| XTLi | Appman, browser and email are propably the worst user experiences on the tablet :) | 15:47 |
| derf | It's okay. Nobody uses those. | 15:47 |
| draco_ | XTL, modest is fine | 15:47 |
| XTLi | All of them are more or less ugly problems of course | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | Email is pretty much OK really | 15:48 |
| draco_ | and having no lynx is an excuse for browser :P | 15:48 |
| draco_ | default client on OS2008 is terrible | 15:48 |
| XTLi | Modest is nice for a gui mailclient like that but not a pleasure to do any serious reading in | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | The major problem being that it is majorly sluggish | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I just experienced it... Having to wait 12+ seconds to see which packages are updateable (considering I just had the warning icon on the desktop) is just stupid... | 15:51 |
| jott | and crashy. modest crashes like once an hour here ... | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | wow, double highlight in one sentence, nice | 15:51 |
| jott | hah | 15:51 |
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| jott | crashy crashes crash crashanddie highlight on crash? | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | "tung tung tung tung tung" | 15:52 |
| aquatix | claws-mail is a lot faster with my large collection of imap folders | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but claws' interface is impossible to use | 15:52 |
| draco_ | i actually have zimbra on my mail server so it's mobile interface does the trick | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | I mean, it's been designed by a one eyed braindead jellyfish | 15:53 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: impossible is a tad strong | 15:53 |
| * aquatix even uses it at his pc's | 15:53 | |
| AStorm | crashanddie: nah, it's good, but not for small screen | 15:53 |
| draco_ | but from what I saw modest is more superior than default e-mail client of OS2008 | 15:53 |
| t_s_o | just tried to run labyrinth 0.5.0 here, and it seems to not find a gconf python module... | 15:53 |
| AStorm | yes | 15:53 |
| aquatix | draco_: oh, far superior :) | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, well see, that's exactly the problem we have currently | 15:53 |
| AStorm | although it is still slow | 15:53 |
| AStorm | with online imap | 15:54 |
| aquatix | yeah | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | people porting apps "cuz it's good on my desktop" | 15:54 |
| aquatix | which is the only thing i use | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | that's just plain bullshit, and we have to stop doing that | 15:54 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: it's OSS, you can change UI | 15:54 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: what, no OOo for maemo? | 15:54 |
| t_s_o | ... | 15:54 |
| AStorm | aquatix: if you port Java, maybe | 15:54 |
| AStorm | but it's overkill anyway | 15:55 |
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| * aquatix doesn't have the need for office applications in general | 15:55 | |
| AStorm | I'd rather have working abiword | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, that's a stupid excuse... I should start rewriting UIs because there's guys who port apps without thinking ? | 15:55 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: nah, they just rebuilt the app | 15:55 |
| draco_ | OO.o takes minutes to start on my dual core box | 15:55 |
| AStorm | if you don't like UI, change it | 15:55 |
| draco_ | with a little exagration :P | 15:55 |
| AStorm | draco_: it takes 5-30s here | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, well that's not my problem, is it ? | 15:55 |
| aquatix | AStorm: vim is enough for my latex editing :) | 15:55 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: if you don't use it, not | 15:56 |
| AStorm | aquatix: well, pity I get to read M$O docs | 15:56 |
| aquatix | how's gnumeric on maemo btw? | 15:56 |
| AStorm | or OOo docs | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, it does become my problem when people whine "because that app is sluggish, and that app is slow, so the whole NIT is slow" | 15:56 |
| AStorm | aquatix: mostly working, with minor bugs | 15:56 |
| aquatix | AStorm: export to pdf beforehand? | 15:56 |
| aquatix | or isn't that an option? | 15:56 |
| AStorm | aquatix: external documents | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, but when we have good software, well written, with the NIT in mind, we don't get that kind of stuff | 15:56 |
| aquatix | hm | 15:56 |
| aquatix | AStorm: sucks indeed | 15:56 |
| AStorm | unless you give me all the conversion stuff on NIT | 15:56 |
| XTLi | Ooo and a 500G usb hdd for swapping on | 15:56 |
| AStorm | XTLi: :> | 15:57 |
| aquatix | maybe a nice viewer would be interesting | 15:57 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, liqbase will get stylish once i get base widget code in place | 15:57 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I have no doubt about it | 15:57 |
| * aquatix had pixelviewer on his palm, worked really well | 15:57 | |
| AStorm | aquatix: there is a port of abiword | 15:57 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:57 |
| AStorm | but it has to get fixed | 15:57 |
| XTLi | One line of text and ten toolbars <3 | 15:57 |
| AStorm | btw, what's it's status? | 15:57 |
| aquatix | XTLi: we're talking ms word now? ;) | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, like I said, i'd love to have a toolkit which enables snappy applications, that are still finger friendly, and yet have a tiny bit of eyecandy | 15:58 |
| AStorm | actually, GTK could be done | 15:58 |
| AStorm | improve GTK, tablet gets bonus | 15:58 |
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| AStorm | we need more automatic/autoresizable UIs | 15:58 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, too few apps use glade ;P | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | Glade is a memory/cpu hog | 15:59 |
| AStorm | nah | 15:59 |
| AStorm | I mean, libglade | 15:59 |
| AStorm | which isn't, it builds UI nicely | 15:59 |
| AStorm | from XML description | 15:59 |
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| AStorm | although the description isn't free-form enough | 15:59 |
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| AStorm | there are various sizers etc. | 16:00 |
| AStorm | although mobile GTK aka Hildon could cheat a bit | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | wait | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | I think I didn't convey that idea well enough | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | lemme try again | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | Glade is a memory/cpu hog | 16:00 |
| AStorm | prove it | 16:00 |
| poutsi | grh, what's up with maemo.org? try clicking vim from http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/text-editors/ | 16:00 |
| AStorm | it's not, it runs and then you close it | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, stuff like Glade is awesome on a desktop | 16:01 |
| Khertan | AStorm > automatic/autoresizable UIs is a real pain with libglade | 16:01 |
| AStorm | Khertan: not that much pain, but you have to use sizers correctly | 16:01 |
| AStorm | still... | 16:01 |
| Khertan | exemple with the stylus keyboard appear ... thing which is reduce is randomly choosen | 16:01 |
| poutsi | incidentally, a direct link to a package of os2008 vim would be greatly appreciated | 16:01 |
| AStorm | Khertan: not randomly, it's always predictable | 16:01 |
| AStorm | unless you use glade incorrectly | 16:02 |
| Khertan | AStorm > maybe :) | 16:02 |
| AStorm | (yeah, it's tricky) | 16:02 |
| AStorm | we need a more free-form language, which says: this is a toolbar, it has 3 icons | 16:02 |
| Khertan | AStorm > so maybe you can help me ? | 16:02 |
| AStorm | this window has 3 buttons, one is cancel ;P | 16:02 |
| AStorm | anchor them to bottom :) | 16:02 |
| Khertan | it s a bit what gtk try to do | 16:03 |
| AStorm | but fails with the sizers | 16:03 |
| Khertan | pack_end :) | 16:03 |
| AStorm | as sizers *contain* items | 16:03 |
| Khertan | AStorm > nothing is perfect | 16:03 |
| AStorm | and aren't anchors | 16:03 |
| AStorm | anchoring works much better IMO (a'la SWT) | 16:03 |
| XTLi | http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/vis/ | 16:04 |
| Khertan | i ve tryed edje to make a beautifull interface to mCalendar | 16:04 |
| Khertan | but it s a real pain to use ! | 16:05 |
| AStorm | XTLi: it's unfortunately vaporware | 16:05 |
| AStorm | edje indeed is PITA | 16:05 |
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| AStorm | XTLi: the best we currently could do, is... divide and conquer | 16:05 |
| AStorm | have a style language tied to functional description :D | 16:05 |
| Khertan | AStorm > you can maybe help me ... i m looking for how to made a beautifull gtk interface for mcalendar that can be use only with thumb (without stylus) | 16:07 |
| AStorm | Khertan: then you have to limit number of buttons | 16:07 |
| Khertan | but as my ui is easy to use ... it s not really beautifull | 16:07 |
| AStorm | and know that tablet is 225 dpi or so | 16:08 |
| Khertan | AStorm > button can be used ... | 16:08 |
| Khertan | but they should be not too small | 16:08 |
| Khertan | do u have see what mcalendar look like ? | 16:08 |
| AStorm | no | 16:08 |
| AStorm | show it to me | 16:08 |
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| Khertan | hum ... lol ... i ve problem with scp | 16:13 |
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| Khertan | i took the sd card and show you some pics | 16:13 |
| Khertan | (you can also install it from maemo extras-devel chinook repository) | 16:14 |
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| XTLi | Is the hildon stuff getting into debian? | 16:15 |
| XTLi | There's matchbox but that's not much | 16:15 |
| jott | XTLi: hildon is in sid/lenny | 16:16 |
| XTLi | Oh? | 16:16 |
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| XTLi | So it is. How didn't I find itwhen I looked before | 16:17 |
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| Khertan | AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot00.png | 16:22 |
| Khertan | AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot01.png | 16:22 |
| Khertan | AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot03.png | 16:22 |
| Khertan | AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot02.png | 16:22 |
| AStorm | I'd say loose the name "previous/next" | 16:23 |
| AStorm | 03 isn't available ;P | 16:23 |
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| mgedmin | s/loose/lose/ | 16:23 |
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| AStorm | yes yes | 16:23 |
| AStorm | this keyboard sucks | 16:23 |
| AStorm | that's why I bought a new one | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: btw, where's the best place to download a liqbase binary at the moment? Or is it a "compile it yourself" job? | 16:24 |
| AStorm | Khertan: how does it do alarms? using built-in maemo functionality? | 16:24 |
| AStorm | hm, how are recurrent tasks shown? can there be exceptions to recurrent tasks? :) | 16:25 |
| AStorm | (one thing I'm missing in most calendars) | 16:25 |
| AStorm | "Repeat ..." except "pick dates and/or date range" | 16:25 |
| lcuk | jaffa, the playtest (which has only minor diffs to the svn) is here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 and it has instructions and notes and stuff | 16:26 |
| lcuk | the package should be sortedo ut real soon now (TM) | 16:26 |
| AStorm | Khertan: otherwise, UI looks clean | 16:26 |
| AStorm | I'd only make Repeat checkbox larger | 16:26 |
| AStorm | and change textbox to spinner (also make it larger) | 16:27 |
| Khertan | AStorm > alarm aren't yet implemented | 16:28 |
| AStorm | :( | 16:28 |
| Khertan | AStorm > exception not yet too :) | 16:28 |
| AStorm | that's the most important feature every calendar needs (alarm) | 16:29 |
| Khertan | textbox to spinner ? | 16:29 |
| AStorm | I think there was a cli app to add alarms to default maemo alarm system | 16:29 |
| AStorm | Khertan: yeah, that one by the repeat | 16:29 |
| Khertan | AStorm > yes i know this why it s in alpha ... all feature aren't here yet :) | 16:29 |
| AStorm | and make it as large as the combobox by it | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: you should set the garage project's homepage to that Googlepagees.com URL | 16:29 |
| AStorm | Khertan: if you're so good, make mTodo too :) | 16:30 |
| Khertan | what is a spinner a gtk spin ? | 16:30 |
| aquatix | Khertan: does mCalendar use the evolution data store thingee as backend? | 16:30 |
| AStorm | and tie it in | 16:30 |
| AStorm | Khertan: yeah, that one | 16:30 |
| Khertan | AStorm > mtasks ... :) | 16:30 |
| AStorm | could be, yes | 16:31 |
| Khertan | AStorm > the next is mContact | 16:31 |
| XTLi | Spin.gif | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: BTW, does it need to be /home/user/MyDocs/ or does it use the value of $MYDOCSDIR? (I've moved my MyDocs to MMC so I don't have to back it up) | 16:31 |
| Khertan | from google contact :) | 16:31 |
| Khertan | sync | 16:31 |
| Khertan | like mCalendar :) | 16:31 |
| AStorm | ok, still, does it use eds? (evolution data store) | 16:31 |
| Khertan | no | 16:31 |
| lcuk | right now its hard written sorry jaffa | 16:31 |
| Khertan | no eds, as eds was a pain to use | 16:32 |
| * aquatix wonders how hard it will be to sync his phone with google calendar | 16:32 | |
| Khertan | and no binding is available in python | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | aquatix: http://www.goosync.com/ | 16:32 |
| Khertan | s/binding/working binding/ | 16:32 |
| infobot | Khertan meant: and no working binding is available in python | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: why the random 'm' prefices, btw? | 16:32 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: yeah, that one sucks | 16:32 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: i want real sync | 16:32 |
| AStorm | and infobot meant: disable stupid s/// | 16:32 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: what sort of phone/desktop OS? | 16:32 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: sony ericsson m600i with symbian 9.1 and uiq3 | 16:33 |
| AStorm | Jaffa: I suspect it's mobile | 16:33 |
| aquatix | desktop os is linux [debian, ubuntu; i have both] | 16:33 |
| aquatix | preferably stand-alone sync | 16:33 |
| summatusmentis | aquatix: oh, syncing my palm centro with google is easy, but that?s because OS X has built in google sync | 16:34 |
| wiza | I would just like normal n810 <> ks10 <> mac os x sync | 16:35 |
| wiza | w/o google :) | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | aquatix: Google Calendar rumoured to be getting SyncML (and Gears support) in the next couple of weeks | 16:35 |
| summatusmentis | I?ve been wondering abount syncing my n810 | 16:35 |
| aquatix | and the funambol syncml server didn't comprehend symbian-style appointments like `anniversary' | 16:36 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: ooh, that'd be cool | 16:36 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: apparently missed that rumour | 16:36 |
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| summatusmentis | funambol? does it work well? | 16:36 |
| aquatix | funambol is ok as syncml server yeah, but doesn't support ical, only old vcal | 16:37 |
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| Dekaritae | nuevasync.com is nice | 16:39 |
| aquatix | summatusmentis: so it broke synching my phone's calendar and evolution | 16:39 |
| aquatix | i tried zyb | 16:39 |
| aquatix | also nice-ish | 16:39 |
| wiza | is n810 getting syncml sync? | 16:39 |
| wiza | if I could use phone to get synched between mac os x and n810... | 16:39 |
| aquatix | but i b0rked my addressbook there; need to reset it somehow [don't want dozens of duplicates ;)] | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa > m like maemo :) | 16:40 |
| aquatix | wiza: not sure, but maybe pimlico's esp synch does syncml? | 16:40 |
| Khertan | Jaffa > as it s an application created specificly for maemo | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ... | 16:42 |
| Khertan | oups ... | 16:42 |
| Khertan | AStorm > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ... | 16:42 |
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| aquatix | Dekaritae: nuevasync.com does syncml? i can't quite make it out from the site | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: fair enough. I should look at mCalendar - until Google Calendar gets Gears, I want a mainly read-only, alarm providing interface to my Google Calendar. | 16:44 |
| Dekaritae | I'm not sure, but it works on my Treo and my iPod | 16:44 |
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| t_s_o | syncing over syncml right now works with syncevolution (a commandline app, really needs a gui for maemo. maybe ill look into python?), and pimlico use the evolution database (that also the maemo addressbook makes use of) | 16:45 |
| * aquatix really misses the synchability of his palm | 16:45 | |
| Dekaritae | <3 Palm :( | 16:45 |
| t_s_o | one would need something like scheduleworld.com to act as a go-between tho... | 16:45 |
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| aquatix | [which runs a customised funambol ;)] | 16:46 |
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| t_s_o | aquatix: hmm, your suggesting to run ones own syncml server? | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: neeed screenshots :-) | 16:46 |
| * Jaffa had been using ScheduleWorld with Funambol/Outlook/GPE-Calendar. | 16:47 | |
| aquatix | t_s_o: not necessarily, just pointing out that scheduleworld might have the same issues as i had with funambol | 16:47 |
| * aquatix would like to have his data stay in his own server, but that's another matter | 16:47 | |
| t_s_o | ah, missed that part, sorry about that | 16:47 |
| aquatix | no problem :) | 16:47 |
| aquatix | opensync is also an option for synching btw | 16:49 |
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| aquatix | but i don't think their syncml conduit is finished | 16:49 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder how it went with that attempt to get opensync going on maemo | 16:50 |
| AStorm | Khertan: you dismiss it to easily | 16:51 |
| AStorm | it works when dragging :) | 16:51 |
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| AStorm | you tap it, then drag | 16:51 |
| Dekaritae | aquatix: Nuevasycn pretends to be an exchange server, but it's a front-end for Google | 16:51 |
| AStorm | you dont' have to click the tiny buttons | 16:51 |
| Khertan | ah ... don't know :) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | so ... i ll change that :) | 16:51 |
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| Khertan | AStorm > i found that the overall ui is too ... i don't know what ... but it s lack from a beautifull touch | 16:53 |
| AStorm | nah, it looks ok :) | 16:53 |
| aquatix | Dekaritae: ah, like that | 16:55 |
| aquatix | Dekaritae: useless for me ;) | 16:55 |
| aquatix | thanks for the suggestion though | 16:55 |
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| Khertan | from the point of view o a user, when he see the ui of mCalendar and Calendar on iPhone ... he can only think that mCalendar is odd | 16:57 |
| Khertan | openmoko calendar is more beautifull ... imagine ! | 16:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:58 |
| aquatix | as long as it's integrated in my environment [e.g., nicely using gtk widgets and such], i don't really care :) | 16:58 |
| aquatix | and you can always tweak stuff a bit | 16:59 |
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| ShadowJK | Speaking of openmoko, that neo freerunner thing, it's a bit like an unpolished N8x0 but with integrated gsm modem, isn't it? :-) | 16:59 |
| aquatix | maybe users will come with good suggestions | 16:59 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: uh-huh | 16:59 |
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| aquatix | ShadowJK: and no keyboard and lousy battery ;) | 16:59 |
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| aquatix | only vga too | 16:59 |
| ShadowJK | "only" | 16:59 |
| aquatix | [which is really nice on a phone indeed] | 17:00 |
| aquatix | i have a lousy 240x320 on my uiq3 phone | 17:00 |
| aquatix | but otoh, NITs have 800x480 of course | 17:00 |
| hrw | ShadowJK: gsm modem which is only gsm | 17:00 |
| hrw | no edge, umts, hsdpa | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | Although it had gprs, iirc | 17:01 |
| aquatix | hrw: it did do gprs righ? | 17:01 |
| hrw | it has gprs | 17:01 |
| t_s_o | its kinda strange that syncml have not turned into some way to transfer data between devices without the need for a third party server... | 17:01 |
| hrw | gprs was known in 2000 when TI calypso (gsm modem in openmoko phones) was created | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | I was thinking... If you had N810 pretend it was a bluetooth headset, and then also had it access, say, a cheapo phone's bluetooth com port, it'd almost be like having an integrated gsm/3g chip :-) | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | t_s_o, obex? | 17:03 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: well, i guess calling on that cell phone is more comfortable | 17:03 |
| aquatix | and i already can go online through bluetooth | 17:04 |
| ShadowJK | probably :-) | 17:04 |
| aquatix | there's even an app that can initiate calls from you NIT iirc | 17:04 |
| t_s_o | ShadowJK: could be, but im not to familiar with it... | 17:04 |
| ShadowJK | You can atleast send contacts and files through obex... | 17:04 |
| Khertan | aquatix > user ask for a iphone like calendar ... :) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: yeah, but synching is a bit more than that of course | 17:05 |
| aquatix | Khertan: create a nice month overview? ;) | 17:05 |
| t_s_o | it just seems that when people talk about sync, they automatically envision this old palm being put in its dock to slurp up data from the office computer | 17:06 |
| Khertan | aquatix > i ll do it ... it s needed ... at list to see quickly the day of a date | 17:06 |
| Khertan | s/at list/at least | 17:07 |
| aquatix | t_s_o: or at least be able to synchronise my phone's address book and contact list with my pc's data | 17:07 |
| aquatix | like i could with my palm | 17:07 |
| aquatix | but not so easily with my symbian based phone :( | 17:07 |
| Khertan | but ... for example ... make a degraded color button is not really a easy thing in gtk | 17:08 |
| * aquatix has at least 4 places with contact info now | 17:08 | |
| aquatix | Khertan: well, that's a theming thing | 17:08 |
| t_s_o | heh, im starting to see the appeal of blackberry/exchange/mobileme like systems... | 17:08 |
| aquatix | Khertan: i prefer a calendar that fits into the rest of my tablet | 17:08 |
| * Khertan has only one place with contact info ... his n810, his desktop, his google contact :) | 17:08 | |
| * aquatix has his phone, n810, email client on desktop, pidgin IM stuff... | 17:09 | |
| Dekaritae | Ugh | 17:09 |
| Khertan | aquatix> hum, this is why i prefer to keep gtk instead of other framework | 17:09 |
| aquatix | IM stuff i also have on my n810 in its contacts thanks to Collabora etc | 17:10 |
| * Khertan think that he really should finish and make an UI to mContacts | 17:10 | |
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| nomis | can I somewhere look at the build queue of the autobuilder? | 17:13 |
| t_s_o | woopie, pimlico dates and scheduleworld have their times mixed up. if i set something to 8 am in dates, it gives me 10 am in scheduleworld... | 17:14 |
| aquatix | time zone stuff? | 17:15 |
| nomis | sorry, found it already at https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ | 17:15 |
| nomis | doh, it failed. | 17:16 |
| nomis | X-Fade: there? | 17:17 |
| t_s_o | aquatix: could be | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Yep. | 17:17 |
| nomis | X-Fade: it seems that a configure test on the autobuilder for libhildondesktop fails. Any Idea what might be wrong? | 17:18 |
| nomis | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/statusbarclock_0.9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 17:18 |
| hrw | t_s_o: pimlico dates ignore timezone | 17:18 |
| t_s_o | ah, figures :S | 17:18 |
| t_s_o | well, i guess its back to gpe then... | 17:19 |
| nomis | X-Fade: it seems to work in the scratchbox I installed for diablo. | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Sure, you are missing Build-Depends for hildon. | 17:19 |
| nomis | ah. | 17:19 |
| Khertan | haha | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Check out dpkg-genbuilddeps ;) | 17:20 |
| nomis | X-Fade: argh, another magic debian tool :) | 17:20 |
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| nomis | that one fails in scratchbox. | 17:21 |
| nomis | "Can't locate Devscripts/Set.pm in @INC ..." | 17:22 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: Seems that you need some perl scripts. | 17:23 |
| dannym | nomis: try "perl -MCPAN -e shell" then "install Devscripts::Set" or so... | 17:23 |
| hrw | "apt-get install devscripts" | 17:24 |
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| dannym | hrw: ah, even better :) | 17:24 |
| hrw | dannym: thats for normal debian. no idea will it work in scarybox | 17:25 |
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| nomis | hrw: it worked. | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12 | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | : bash2 causes bad apt-get things for me as it replaces /bin/sh. bash2 from extras | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not so much of a fan of bash2 as it does some funky stuff to my .profile etc | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:29 |
| RST38h | qwrty12 | 17:30 |
| smyows | is possible to plug usb device with more 100mA ? | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | hi RST38h | 17:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty12: planet tells you got interviewed!5) | 17:31 |
| dannym | smyows: when you put an active USB hub in-between, yes... | 17:31 |
| hrw | bash2 package replace /bin/sh? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | smyows: Only if you use a powered hub. | 17:31 |
| hrw | and patched kernel | 17:31 |
| hrw | default kernel refuse usb hubs | 17:31 |
| RST38h | smyows: possible but not guaranteed to work | 17:31 |
| hrw | at least my hubs | 17:31 |
| smyows | i have one powered hub but do not work | 17:31 |
| smyows | hmm | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Heh, I was requested to over PM :) | 17:32 |
| hrw | because their kernel refuse hubs | 17:32 |
| dannym | smyows: did you connect the Nokia Internet Tablet to the uplink of the hub? | 17:32 |
| smyows | yes | 17:32 |
| hrw | smyows: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/ | 17:32 |
| dannym | smyows: did you "echo host >/sys/devices/platform/musb_whatever/mode" ? :) | 17:32 |
| hrw | "But there is one problem — default kernel is compiled with OTG whitelist enabled. As a result some classes of devices are rejected — for example all my USB Hubs. After disabling of CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST (and recompilation of kernel) they got supported." | 17:32 |
| smyows | hrw, have .config to send me | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | smyows: you can change that yourself | 17:33 |
| smyows | host mode | 17:33 |
| hrw | smyows: take default n8x0 one and change that | 17:33 |
| qwerty12 | hrw: interesting read, thanks. /me wonders why nokia do that... | 17:33 |
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| hrw | bbiab | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: unpack it with dpkg-deb -x and you see /bin/sh | 17:35 |
| smyows | were i found default .config, i have used nokia_2420 | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | and apt freaks | 17:35 |
| smyows | this defconf do not work | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | smyows: n800_defconfig | 17:36 |
| smyows | hmm | 17:36 |
| nomis | X-Fade: dunno if it matters somewhere, but the clock on the autobuilder apparently is about 10 minutes off. | 17:36 |
| smyows | okay i ll try again | 17:36 |
| * qwerty12 uses 2420 without ever having a problem | 17:36 | |
| X-Fade | nomis: Yes, I noticed that too. But I don't have access to the actual build machine. | 17:37 |
| nomis | ok. | 17:37 |
| aquatix | someone here doing gprs/umts with their linux laptop/pc? | 17:37 |
| smyows | the all modules have to stay on /lib/modules/kernel or not have problem leave the tree kernel modules | 17:37 |
| RST38h | ? | 17:38 |
| * aquatix has issues with his chat script/peers file | 17:38 | |
| RST38h | oh, I am using xp | 17:38 |
| aquatix | [slightly off-topic :)] | 17:38 |
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| * aquatix wants to use gprs/umts with his debian laptop | 17:38 | |
| RST38h | dont even know why you would still need a script in 2008 | 17:39 |
| dannym | aquatix: yes, me... | 17:39 |
| dannym | aquatix: I even use it on the N800 ;) | 17:39 |
| aquatix | yeah, my n810 works just fine with it | 17:39 |
| aquatix | but i can't get pppd on my laptop to connect :/ | 17:39 |
| dannym | aquatix: does your modem work on the n810 without an USB hub? mine is a power hog... | 17:39 |
| aquatix | dannym: you have your settings online? | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | nomis, just set your lcoal clock to the nokia verified one true time clock and all will be well with the world | 17:40 |
| nomis | \o/ | 17:40 |
| aquatix | dannym: i use my cell phone over bluetooth | 17:40 |
| aquatix | works really well | 17:40 |
| * nomis extends the statusbar-clock with the nokia timezone. | 17:40 | |
| lcuk | "clock skew detected, your build may be incomplete | 17:40 |
| aquatix | nomis: :) | 17:40 |
| dannym | aquatix: ah, I have an USB HSDPA modem :) | 17:40 |
| aquatix | someone should use ntp | 17:40 |
| aquatix | dannym: ah :) | 17:41 |
| RST38h | is .fi gmt+2? | 17:41 |
| smyows | i wanna use 3g modem | 17:41 |
| dannym | aquatix: I use wvdial to dial in, it worked magically... | 17:41 |
| aquatix | maybe i should try that then | 17:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, +2 oin winter days, +1 on odd days beginning with t, -1 after beers | 17:41 |
| dannym | aquatix: does the dialling part already work on your Linux PC (before pppd)? | 17:41 |
| aquatix | dannym: but using a peers file and a chat script looked easy enough | 17:42 |
| smyows | dannym, do u have a deb package | 17:42 |
| aquatix | dannym: what do you mean? it connects with my phone over bluetooth, then i get weird control chars echo'd from pppd | 17:42 |
| dannym | smyows: not yet, I'm in the process of writing one... I only recently got the "hso" kernel module to work... | 17:42 |
| aquatix | don't see the phone connect to the internet though | 17:43 |
| dannym | smyows: (for devices by manufacturer "Option") | 17:43 |
| smyows | hmmm | 17:43 |
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| dannym | smyows: is there a wiki page on the maemo.org site about external HSDPA modems already? If not, we could start one so we can keep tabs on progress :) | 17:44 |
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| smyows | :D | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | dannym: External HSDPA modems on the tablet? | 17:45 |
| smyows | i have evdo usb modem | 17:45 |
| dannym | qwerty12: yes | 17:45 |
| smyows | usbserial o/ | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | I've got usbmodeswitch and comgt compiled... | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | Email: "Own up to 10.000euros per month !" Me: "delete, we all know this" Other moderator: "Would you mind explaining the method ?" Me: "Use the delete command" Other moderator: "No, I meant, would you care explaining how to make 10.000euros per month ? :D" | 17:46 |
| dannym | aquatix: I'm sorry, but I only have experience with the wvdial automatic setup thingie, it just tells me like "starting pppd", "obtained IP address x.y.z.a" and that's all... I've not touched the lowlevel configs in years.... | 17:46 |
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| dannym | aquatix: but it shouldn't be too hard, though I remember using pppd directly was a pain in the butt to debug... :) | 17:47 |
| dannym | aquatix: but if the process of "pppd" is running and keeps running I'd say you're dailled in successfully... does it? | 17:47 |
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| hrw | re | 17:50 |
| dannym | aquatix: ah, did you set the APN? That was the only thing I had to set up manually in wvdial: 'at+cgdcont=1,"ip","web.one.at"' | 17:51 |
| aquatix | dannym: no, it stops with an error after a little while | 17:51 |
| aquatix | yeah, did so | 17:51 |
| aquatix | OK 'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet",,0,0' | 17:51 |
| dannym | aquatix: yeah, depending on the provider of course :) | 17:51 |
| aquatix | that's the one according to a site about my provider | 17:51 |
| aquatix | http://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- this page has some useful info | 17:51 |
| aquatix | i'll install wvdial tonight at home | 17:52 |
| dannym | aquatix: try adding "debug" to /etc/ppp/options (or whatever it was :)) | 17:52 |
| aquatix | heh, i have | 17:52 |
| aquatix | that's what gives the control chars | 17:52 |
| aquatix | lots of }'s and such | 17:52 |
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| dannym | aquatix: it does that on a successful attempt here too, seems to be normal (as far as I can tell) - though it's just like 20 characters or so :) | 17:52 |
| nomis | ok, as soon as the promoting comes into effect we have a statusbarclock again :) | 17:52 |
| dannym | aquatix: (of garbage) | 17:53 |
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| dannym | only* | 17:53 |
| aquatix | dannym: hm, k | 17:53 |
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| aquatix | but then it says connect script failed | 17:53 |
| aquatix | so something isn't right :) | 17:53 |
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| aquatix | but as you said, a pain to debug | 17:53 |
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| dannym | aquatix: yeah, you may want to try wvdial, a "try every darn fix in sequence automatically" tool :D | 17:55 |
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| aquatix | dannym: :) | 17:56 |
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| aquatix | will have to wait till back home | 17:56 |
| aquatix | orrr | 17:56 |
| dannym | aquatix: ah, hmm... in the beginning I have a normal AT command chat... the garbage comes just after "CONNECT ..." for me... and then pppd kicks in and takes over things... | 17:56 |
| aquatix | i download the deb and transfer by usb stick | 17:56 |
| aquatix | yeah, i've something similar | 17:56 |
| aquatix | http://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- the last chat script [for KPN/Telfort] | 17:57 |
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| aquatix | other peers file though, as the one he provides doesn't work at all | 17:57 |
| aquatix | but i need a gateway ip somewhere too; however, my phone doesn't even starts to set up a connection | 17:57 |
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| dannym | aquatix: I see... | 17:59 |
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| Khertan | is it me or does python2.5-hildondesktop binding isn't available in diablo extras/extras-devel repository | 18:02 |
| Khertan | N | 18:02 |
| Khertan | ? | 18:02 |
| Khertan | there is also a homeip package in diablo ... | 18:04 |
| Khertan | strange, i don't remember have send it to diablo ! | 18:04 |
| aquatix | dannym: ok, just installed wvdial, now let's play a bit :) | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan: Import from chinook ;) | 18:07 |
| Khertan | ah oki | 18:07 |
| Khertan | but u have not imported the depandancies | 18:07 |
| Khertan | i can't found python2.5-hildondesktop :) | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | Isn't that python2.5-hildon ? | 18:09 |
| dannym | aquatix: use "wvdialconf" or a text editor to create a "/etc/wvdial.conf" with at least the magic "AT+CGDCONT"... init string... | 18:09 |
| dannym | aquatix: (like "Init2 = AT+CGDCONT="...etc) | 18:09 |
| Khertan | X-Fade > hum ... so they have integrate it in the package hildon without say nothing about this ... | 18:11 |
| dannym | aquatix: I have to reach the library before it closes, so I'll be back later... I wish you luck and be sure to tell me how it went later :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Talk to the python guys about that ;) #canola is a start ;) | 18:12 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:12 |
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| Khertan | X-Fade > i'ven't good relation with python guys :) | 18:12 |
| aquatix | dannym: hf | 18:12 |
| aquatix | grmbl, doesn't work | 18:12 |
| Khertan | thx for your help X-Fade :) | 18:13 |
| * aquatix is almost going home, might not be back tonight | 18:13 | |
| aquatix | dannym: i'll keep you posted :) | 18:13 |
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| dannym | aquatix: okay... I'll read my wvdial config after I go home today to see whether there is anything special in it, just in case... :) | 18:14 |
| aquatix | k :) | 18:14 |
| dannym | aquatix: see you :) | 18:14 |
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| dannym | smyows: <http://wiki.maemo.org/3G_HSDPA_GPRS_Modem>, I'll finish it later (as in, add actual files, Debian package etc) but it's a start :) | 18:17 |
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| smyows | wooww :D | 18:17 |
| smyows | thx | 18:17 |
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| smyows | my modem is evdo :)/ | 18:18 |
| smyows | usbserial only | 18:18 |
| smyows | o/ | 18:19 |
| smyows | my problem is my powered hub | 18:19 |
| smyows | i'm editing .config to compile a new kernel | 18:19 |
| smyows | original kernel if i change usb to host mode, my device freeze and reboot | 18:20 |
| smyows | with hub usb | 18:20 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 18:23 |
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| smyows | o/ | 18:24 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: What files do you need packaged? I'm adding rules to package the files that came with the binary only playtest (minus the files in the _apg folder), package an desktop file & and a sudoers file. And probably an script to start liqbase as root. (Although, just out of question, if you start liqbase as root and have files saved in /home/user/MyDocs etc, wouldn't that make those files be owned by root?) | 18:24 |
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| trickie|away | qwerty12: yes they will be owned by root | 18:26 |
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| qwerty12 | trickie|away: Yeah, that's what I thought, I'll grab the binary playtest and see again :) | 18:27 |
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| X-Fade | Heh, Quim made a few videos of the conference location ;) If you haven't seen it yet: http://share.ovi.com/channel/qgil.public | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | What's in qgil.private :P | 18:28 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Well, you'll never know.. I guess ;) | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe :P :) | 18:29 |
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| smyows | i have compiled a new zImage | 18:32 |
| smyows | and modules too | 18:32 |
| smyows | but the modules is on the default tree kernel | 18:33 |
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| smyows | drivers/usb ... net/ ....fs/ | 18:33 |
| smyows | is necessary to put all modules on root /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/, | 18:34 |
| smyows | or not | 18:34 |
| Atarii | smyows what did you use to compile the kernel? | 18:35 |
| Atarii | environment i mean | 18:35 |
| smyows | make zImage && make modules && make modules_install | 18:36 |
| smyows | on sbox | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | running make makes an zImage and modules in one step | 18:37 |
| smyows | o> | 18:37 |
| smyows | qwerty12, is necessary to put all modules on /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/? or works levening original kernel tree | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | I wouldn't leave the modules as the original kernel tree. Nokia don't seem to do it like that, they have one folder for all their modules. | 18:38 |
| smyows | hmm | 18:39 |
| smyows | ok | 18:39 |
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| Khertan | i ve added many times rss of maemo.org/downloads to rss reader | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: ping | 18:58 |
| Khertan | pong | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:59 |
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| zfigz | Hey | 19:00 |
| zfigz | Does anyone know of a good WEP hacker for the n810? | 19:01 |
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| zfigz | I found this | 19:02 |
| zfigz | http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=maemo/nokia-770-800-hacking-pen-testing | 19:02 |
| Proteous | hard to write one since the low level wireless card drivers aren't open | 19:03 |
| Proteous | so no packet injection | 19:03 |
| Proteous | you can sniff though | 19:03 |
| zfigz | What's the best app to get for that kinda stuff? | 19:03 |
| Proteous | don't know myself | 19:03 |
| Proteous | haven't really look into it | 19:04 |
| * qwerty12 wonders if I should piss off lcuk with an preinst script... :P | 19:04 | |
| Mousey | gpe filemanager size mismatch? | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get/hildon application error message? | 19:06 |
| Mousey | yup | 19:06 |
| Khertan | you can resume by 'gpe mismatch' ... | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Mousey: You may want to try getting the deb file manually and using dpkg. | 19:07 |
| Mousey | yaaaay | 19:07 |
| Khertan | i ve see many error in the extras cauldron builder mailing list about gpe | 19:07 |
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| Khertan | come back to home ... | 19:08 |
| Khertan | byebye ... :) | 19:08 |
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| zfigz | so no one knows of a wep hacker for the n810? | 19:16 |
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| Mousey | aircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw? | 19:16 |
| lonetwin | maybe I'm being lazy, but i just can't find a plucker port from http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/plucker.shtml for OS2008 ...is there one available ? | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | I believe FBReader reads Plucker files | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Unless it's *plucker* you really need. | 19:19 |
| zfigz | Where can I get aircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw? | 19:19 |
| lonetwin | I do need plucker | 19:19 |
| lonetwin | the absence of auto-scroll is really getting to me :( | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | lonetwin: The source is there, let's see if this compiles. I don't know if a plucker port for Os2008 is available. | 19:19 |
| Mousey | i donno. um, apt-get install aircrack-ng? | 19:21 |
| zfigz | Do I need to add a catalog/repository to app manager? | 19:21 |
| lonetwin | qwerty12: yeah, I've been searching for a couple of days ...seems like it wasn't ever ported to OS2008 ...as far as autoscroll for fbreader is concerned, all that I see is a bug report ..but no indication whether there is work happening on it | 19:21 |
| Mousey | on http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ there's a repo titled MUlliNER.ORG Maemo Software (Maemo 4.x), maybe that's where i got it? | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, too much deps for me to compile plucker atm. I'm busy with packaging liqbase atm :). Sorry, I'll see if I can try again sometime. | 19:22 |
| zfigz | thanks mousey | 19:23 |
| lonetwin | qwerty12: no issues :) ...hope someone has the skills, inclination and time to do that | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, any way to see what exit code a program returns? | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, never mind :) | 19:24 |
| Mousey | zfigz: ENJOY BEING EVIL!! MUAAHAHAHAHAHHA | 19:24 |
| Mousey | *ahem* | 19:24 |
| * Mousey idles | 19:24 | |
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| Mousey | OHNOES! Err http://people.mozilla.org chinook/extras Packages | 19:26 |
| Mousey | 404 Not Found | 19:26 |
| Mousey | doh, sorry | 19:26 |
| * Mousey idles more | 19:26 | |
| zfigz | mousey, i'm trying to find it in this repos | 19:26 |
| zfigz | which one is best to use? | 19:26 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! :) | 19:27 |
| dougt | has anyone used the state system_inactivity_ind from osso_hw_set_event_cb() | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, there's no packet injection on the tablet | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, anyone know of a sample script that uses if statements to run something based on status values? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | hi Khertan_n810 | 19:27 |
| zfigz | crash, so it won't work? | 19:27 |
| zfigz | ircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw will not work? | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, well, they'll work | 19:28 |
| zfigz | but? | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | but you'll need to wait *very* *very* long on a normal sized network | 19:28 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, define script | 19:29 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: Bash script, if I understand you right. | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, define status values ? Variables ? | 19:29 |
| zfigz | bummer | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: exit codes returned by a program | 19:29 |
| Mousey | hi, question; | 19:30 |
| * qwerty12 script skills are severely lacking | 19:30 | |
| Mousey | W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) | 19:30 |
| Mousey | ?? | 19:30 |
| * Mousey tries rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists ; mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; apt-get update | 19:31 | |
| * Khertan_n810 think that all script should be made in python | 19:31 | |
| * qwerty12 doesn't | 19:31 | |
| * Mousey disagrees, and thinks they should be ruby | 19:31 | |
| qwerty12 | sh is standard. Python isn't. | 19:31 |
| * Mousey disagrees with that too, and thinks they should be perl | 19:31 | |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, if [ $VAR -eq "0" ]; then echo "Program exited AOK" | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | fi | 19:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty > sh should be deprecated, python should be standard | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: Thank you | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | python sucks | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 19:32 |
| Mousey | Khertan_n810: that's silly, what are you a windows users? | 19:32 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lol i ve no windows at home | 19:33 |
| Mousey | i admit tho, i'd trade busybox in for a proper shell. but that'd require more memory/faster cpu/more space | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | python is debian base | 19:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:33 |
| Mousey | python and debian are mutually exclusive | 19:33 |
| Mousey | tho i <3 debian as much as the next penguin | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | to both Mousey and Khertan_n810: the whole point of "the shell" is to have something around the linux kernel that provides basic input/output functions. You don't want to have to run something atop of that. Like a perl interpreter, or a python interpreter. | 19:34 |
| Mousey | crashanddie: i was being silly =P | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > i know ... | 19:34 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't also feel like having to import modules each time to do a simple thing | 19:34 | |
| Mousey | and have you never heard of psh? | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | yet another sh ? | 19:35 |
| Mousey | PERLsh! ^_^ | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | yet another sh ! | 19:35 |
| Mousey | http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/document/psh-1.8.1.html | 19:35 |
| Mousey | awesome, eh? | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | I'm not even going to click on that | 19:35 |
| Mousey | hehehehhe | 19:35 |
| Blafasel | psh is the powershell implementation? | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | bash is in extras devel repository | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Stop it, these sh's are killing me! | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | huhu | 19:35 |
| jaska | sshhhh | 19:35 |
| * Mousey sticks with ssh | 19:35 | |
| crashanddie | jaska, now that's python... ssssshhhhhh | 19:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | ipython will rules all :) | 19:35 |
| * qwerty12 sticks with ak-47sh | 19:35 | |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_n810, ipython ? Apple's version of python ? | 19:36 |
| Mousey | lol | 19:36 |
| chelli | http://xkcd.com/353/ :) | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | ipython is a python shell for python | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | heh | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | crashanddie > lol | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | it could be but not | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | iPython: "Hi there, my dear user, it seems you have a syntax error, but wait, lemme show you a nice graphical user interface for it, so you don't have to worry about it... Look at the pretty colours... Look at the pretty colours" | 19:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | hum 5min package still not build | 19:37 |
| Mousey | http://xkcd.com/138/ | 19:37 |
| chelli | :) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: any complaints about debian yet? ;) | 19:38 |
| Khertan_n810 | gui in ipython ? | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | iBagerra hits iPython: "Djeezus iBagerra, I told you not to try and eat iMougly" | 19:38 |
| zfigz | Is anyone familiar on how to use those web crackers? | 19:38 |
| zfigz | Aircrack-NG and Aircrack-PTW that is | 19:38 |
| derf | "Web crackers" hahaha. | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | it's wep | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | They ain't web apps. | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | not web | 19:38 |
| zfigz | I tried to just execute it but it seems to need to work off of a pcap file | 19:38 |
| zfigz | er | 19:38 |
| zfigz | i meant to say wep | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | zfigs > a new cereals ? | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | So make the pcap file using kismet or the like. Search for them. | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Nope :) | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, the pcap file being the dump of network traffic | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, so you need to use aerodump first | 19:39 |
| zfigz | Ok, so I need to create that first eh? | 19:39 |
| zfigz | Ok | 19:39 |
| zfigz | finding aerodump now | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, jfgi | 19:39 |
| AStorm | no, you can use someone else's | 19:39 |
| AStorm | provided it's from the same network ;P | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | and a proper working driver with packet level IV injection | 19:39 |
| AStorm | or copious time and traffic on that network | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: seconded | 19:40 |
| AStorm | once you get about 100k packets, it's almost 100% cracked | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | 7min to autobuilder to build my packages | 19:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 19:40 |
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| zfigz | is there a build of aerodump for maemo? | 19:41 |
| zfigz | jfgi? | 19:41 |
| AStorm | there is of kismet, but buggy | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | zfigz, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=aircrack+tutorial | 19:41 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: you fail at trolling :> | 19:41 |
| zfigz | thanks crash | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | It's kinda ironic, googling jfgi would have brought justfuckinggoogleit as first result :P | 19:42 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, haha | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I do ? | 19:42 |
| smyows | to flash new zImage is only type: flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing | 19:43 |
| smyows | johnx, to flash nem zimage? flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage | 19:44 |
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| smyows | it's correct? | 19:44 |
| AStorm | it is | 19:44 |
| smyows | o> thx | 19:44 |
| AStorm | nah | 19:44 |
| AStorm | add --flash-only kernel | 19:44 |
| madhav | lcuk: there? | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: Only if you are flashing Fiasco image. | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | whoa, ITT upped the private message limit | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | finally | 19:46 |
| CVirus | aren't there any plans that nokia would release a GSM capable maemo based device ? | 19:46 |
| * qwerty12 is still at 150 ;). | 19:46 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: did your rank go up? | 19:46 |
| smyows | reboot again :/ | 19:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | cvirus > burk | 19:46 |
| AStorm | CVirus: ask Nokia ;P | 19:46 |
| CVirus | burk ? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i was at 3, so i guess my rank went up | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | i was going insane over having that limit | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm at 150 | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I think it was a spam measure for n00bies | 19:47 |
| Blafasel | Let's all congratulate Stskeeps. Via PM. | 19:47 |
| smyows | the n800 starts up but in the X the led buton's on and rebbot | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 19:48 |
| CVirus | Khertan_n810: you're chatting from your n810 ? | 19:48 |
| smyows | :/ | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | CVirus: You can get xchat for the tablet. It's in diablo extras-devel repo | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | CVirus > yes | 19:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | or use rtcomm beta | 19:49 |
| CVirus | I know that .. I'm just asking :-p | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | :P :) | 19:49 |
| CVirus | I'm waiting for a gsm enabled maemo-based device though | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | i m chatting while uploading new version of mcalendar to extras-devl repository | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | u can wait long years | 19:49 |
| smyows | qwerty12, look my config | 19:49 |
| smyows | http://www.pastebin.ca/1080922 | 19:49 |
| * Mousey discovers cleaning up his sources.list goes a long way to making his tablet happy and healthy again | 19:49 | |
| qwerty12 | smyows: what about it? | 19:50 |
| smyows | what is wrong | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | I don't know | 19:50 |
| smyows | my device restarting | 19:50 |
| smyows | up on the X and led is on and restart | 19:50 |
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| smyows | anyone look my config :/ | 19:51 |
| AStorm | CVirus: grab some phone instead | 19:51 |
| AStorm | what was that one... with the 800x240 screen or so | 19:51 |
| AStorm | Nokia's | 19:51 |
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| Khertan_n810 | the best thing on diablo : xterms bug fixed :) | 19:52 |
| AStorm | not Linux, though | 19:52 |
| AStorm | which bug? | 19:52 |
| CVirus | I think I'll buy a FreeRunner instead | 19:52 |
| Mousey | Khertan_n810: what bugs? | 19:52 |
| AStorm | close one? | 19:52 |
| zfigz | Would this apply to the N810? | 19:52 |
| zfigz | Without the ability to capture packets, having aircrack-ng on an iphone is mostly useless. | 19:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | opening new windows | 19:52 |
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| Khertan_n810 | toolbar duplication | 19:52 |
| Mousey | there was an opening new windows bug? | 19:52 |
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| Mousey | i wish they made uqm for maemo | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | and exit close now the windows instaed of a blank useless window | 19:54 |
| Mousey | oooh, good one | 19:54 |
| Blafasel | Khertan_n810: Yep, that one is nice | 19:54 |
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| AStorm | Khertan_n810: that one is, yay :D | 19:54 |
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| zfigz | Can the n810 capture packets? | 19:55 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | Yes. | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Yep, been fixed in diablo for a long time now :). For chinook, you can build the svn to have the fix. | 19:55 |
| AStorm | but we can't inject yet | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | Can it inject packets? No. | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 19:55 |
| AStorm | it could, but we'd need a real prism54 port | 19:55 |
| zfigz | So should I even bother using Aircrack-ng? | 19:55 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: Well, as far as I know no one is looking at it? | 19:56 |
| Blafasel | zfigz: No. | 19:56 |
| AStorm | Blafasel: there was some patch | 19:56 |
| Blafasel | qwerty12: Don't want to annoy, but I'm curious if you had a spare minute looking at lcuk's stuff/packaging liqbase? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | Blafasel: I'm working on it right now ;) | 19:57 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: Interesting, thanks | 19:57 |
| Blafasel | qwerty12: Yay! | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Just got to add my sudoers file to the right place and make a quick desktop file | 19:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | uploading application in extras devel in the subway ... a luxury goodies ... :) | 19:57 |
| zfigz | man, it'd be so cool to easily crack wep encrypted networks. | 19:57 |
| zfigz | argh | 19:57 |
| zfigz | wifimax please come soon | 19:57 |
| * qwerty12 has so much methods of being root, if my sudo fux up, I can still get in :P | 19:58 | |
| Mousey | zfigz: just need the driver to support monitoring mode | 19:58 |
| Mousey | the CPU's a bit underpowered | 19:58 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: humm? | 19:58 |
| AStorm | you're working on a prism54 port? | 19:58 |
| zfigz | yeah, it is | 19:58 |
| Mousey | i don't know enuff about the chipset or the driver... | 19:58 |
| Mousey | it's prism54? | 19:58 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: No, on packaging liqbase | 19:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | wimax ... i hope there more network in other countries than in france | 19:59 |
| zfigz | yeah, that's it | 19:59 |
| zfigz | wimax | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | don t know any :) | 19:59 |
| Mousey | i want my own wimax router! | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm: No, I'm just hoping my sudoers file doesn't mess up :). If it does, no worries to me. | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | mcalendar build OK ! hehe i like my new tools | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | and thx to all that have made extras builder assisstant possible | 20:01 |
| Mousey | wow, apt-get dist-upgrade -- the fastest way to fux0r your tablet really good | 20:01 |
| Mousey | why is it installing bash corutils debianutils, et al. is diablo really based on not-busybox? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | you probably have the wrong repositories configured | 20:02 |
| Mousey | THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! | 20:02 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 20:02 |
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| Mousey | k, well maybe. i have about 34352346134512 repos in my sources.list | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | SDK repo on the device + apt-get dist-upgrade = brick | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: Exaggerate much? :P | 20:02 |
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| Mousey | ^_^ | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | which is why the tools were split into a separate repo | 20:03 |
| Mousey | ah | 20:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | don t use sdk repo on a real device | 20:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | !!!!! | 20:04 |
| * qwerty12 uses it fine | 20:04 | |
| Khertan_n810 | is there a delay between build on extras builder and the availability in repository ? | 20:04 |
| Mousey | i've trashed the OS on my tablet countless times, i ar teh not afraid! | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810: Oh, yes... | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty > but u know what u do | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: bet you can't beat my record :P | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | upgrade with sdk repo could remove some needed packages | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | True, I only have it enabled for libraries which I can't find in extras :) | 20:05 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: oh? should we paste sources.lists and see who's is bigger? ;) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: I know what repo's I use ;). Besides, I've never killed my tablet using apt-get ;) | 20:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > i ve do it too for dpkg-dev | 20:06 |
| Mousey | i've killed it with less | 20:06 |
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| Mousey | i killed it once by discovering you can't make /usr/share/icons a symlink on another filesystem | 20:07 |
| Mousey | that was pretty sad | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | Moving results to incoming queue | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | so it s need after build to be moderated | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s not automatic | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | :( | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, i was talking through the package last night with crashanddie and im gonna fix a couple of locations, have you already extended the makefile to include an install branch? | 20:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > homecalendar build take less than 1min | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: Yes, I've also made some changes in the source too regarding locations. | 20:15 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, nice | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | ahhh right, dya wanna PM and ill chat | 20:15 |
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| Khertan_n810 | but moving to extras devel is slow too | 20:15 |
| Khertan_n810 | i think its moderated | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | it probably is, i cant use it for a liq build system ;) | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | but once is finished why not :) | 20:16 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg there is error in my packages | 20:19 |
| lcuk | thats not good Khertan_n810, your package should be perfect | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | it s mainly because i place binary at wrong location | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | i have that trouble | 20:20 |
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| Khertan_n810 | trouble ? | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n810, binaries in the wrong place :S | 20:26 |
| * lcuk doesnt know his arse from his elbow and gets shouted at by linux doods cos of his choices | 20:26 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | back | 20:30 |
| Khertan_n810 | connection drop in train | 20:30 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n810, you still hacking your connection through DNS? | 20:31 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes :) | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n810, :) so that circumvents the payments? | 20:32 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: Only for braindead access points ;) | 20:33 |
| Blafasel | But it _is_ nice, I give you that. Used it in switzerland quite regularly. | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | shut ... | 20:33 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | telephony operator in france are all dumb | 20:34 |
| Blafasel | Nice | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ll not pay 49 Euro for a limited to http and https data plan | 20:34 |
| Blafasel | Wow. | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | 500Mo by monthss | 20:35 |
| Blafasel | 25 Euro, no restrictions that I know | 20:35 |
| Blafasel | Although I somehow doubt that they like voip stuff.. Skype and SIP worked from the N810 though | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | in switzerland ? | 20:36 |
| Blafasel | No, Germany | 20:36 |
| AStorm | Khertan_n810: 49 Euro? OUTRAGE! | 20:36 |
| AStorm | I can get 1G for 60 PLN (about 20 Euro) | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | they have try to close my data plan has it s an old 6Mo for 6Euros | 20:37 |
| AStorm | and not limited to http* | 20:37 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and it doesn t existing anymore | 20:37 |
| AStorm | using that for voip is actually more expensive than just calling ;P | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | by offering an iphone first generation | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i don t want a brick | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:37 |
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| Mousey | hey developers, is git > svn? | 20:42 |
| Blafasel | Depends. | 20:43 |
| Blafasel | A lot of people like to hype it recently, but first and foremost it's _different_. | 20:43 |
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| Blafasel | (With some really cool features) | 20:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i hate all this svn , cvs, git | 20:44 |
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| zap | floppy disks rules, aye | 20:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | source server rules | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | like 4D do it :) | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | 4d.com | 20:45 |
| zap | closed source binaries 4ever | 20:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | 3g and bluetooth sucks battery really fast | 20:49 |
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| Khertan_n810 | arg application manager don t display package revision number this suck | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | what is the command line to see it with apt ? | 20:55 |
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| Blafasel | apt-cache policy packagename? | 20:56 |
| Blafasel | From memory, untested | 20:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it display 0.2.3 0 instead of 0.2.3 1 | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | bad ! | 20:57 |
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| Khertan_n810 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mcalendar/ | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is no build number in created package | 21:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | bad | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | Did the apt-cache work? | 21:00 |
| Khertan_n810 | yes | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | ok. | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Blafasel, i've managed to package liqbase successfully. just waiting for lcuk to put final touches on it... | 21:00 |
| Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: Yay! | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i don't think lcuk will release a package that makes people have to agree that northerners have a dodgy accent or the install will stop... :p | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i like the beerware license | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:03 |
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| GNUton | Hello | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hi | 21:23 |
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| GNUton | hey qwerty12_N800: ) | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | liqsoft: software development and washing machine repair | 21:29 |
| TPC | hello everyone | 21:31 |
| TPC | I'm trying to run kismet (which I found at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20888) and it seems to work fine | 21:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk | 21:32 |
| TPC | but after I shut it down I can't get the normal wifi to work again | 21:32 |
| lcuk | yer RST38h | 21:33 |
| TPC | first of all there are still kismet and kismet_server threads, which won't die unless I use kill -9 | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, had a chance to look over the 2 emails? | 21:33 |
| AStorm | kismet for n8x0 is buggy, yes | 21:33 |
| TPC | according to a forum serach ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 up; should restore things, but it doesn't | 21:33 |
| lcuk | ive just this minute got back upstairs. damn washing machine blew up and took everything with it | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool. :(, should have used calgon :p | 21:34 |
| lcuk | i think some northern grit cot caught in the mechanism | 21:34 |
| lcuk | got ^ | 21:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: is the roof still there? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | the only thing southerners have thats harder than northerners: water | 21:35 |
| lcuk | what roof? | 21:35 |
| RST38h | it blew upstairs didnt it? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | lol nope, it took the electric out: the missus thought it was a general powercut and wouldv sat downstairs in the dark all night :S | 21:36 |
| AStorm | lol | 21:36 |
| lcuk | well shes goin boozin tonight, but you get the idea | 21:36 |
| RST38h | hehe | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:36 |
| * RST38h seen a major transformer blowout once | 21:37 | |
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| lcuk | yer, when megatron got shot it was cool | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i knew someone would say something like that :p | 21:38 |
| lcuk | right, i see i have a package - time to have a look and a play. thank you so very much for this qwerty | 21:38 |
| RST38h | thought IT has started for a moment | 21:38 |
| RST38h | Flash covered pretty much third of the sky | 21:38 |
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| lcuk | yer, electricity is dangerous m'kay | 21:39 |
| RST38h | took AC out for blocks around | 21:39 |
| * lcuk turned the washer on with a woodenspoon | 21:39 | |
| crashanddie | bad idea lol | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no problems :). you may wanna read up on the postinst.ex and shift some commands in my postinst to only run when the package is being installed, not upgraded | 21:40 |
| lcuk | yes, and remove the northerner stuff | 21:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, :) qwerty12_N800 has made me a package :D | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk , i like that touch :p | 21:40 |
| crashanddie | oh, nice :) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: and if it still moves, kill it again with a spoon! | 21:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, next time, use something made of plastic | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | wood will do - its dry and we arent exactly talking thousands of amps | 21:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would recommend metal but that is just cruel. | 21:42 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, ok next time the washer comes attacking me | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: or bare fingers | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, even better | 21:43 |
| crashanddie | there's better | 21:43 |
| crashanddie | soak yourself in lemon juice before touching it :) | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | tell you what - ill stand in the bath and make sure im really wet and dripping before i do it again :D | 21:44 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the story where a man got killed for pissing on a electric fence | 21:44 | |
| lcuk | lol - ill get a nice saltbath to help ease the burns as well | 21:44 |
| RST38h | crash: can I power a server with your body and a pair of metal plates afterwards? | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, yeah, that was a darwin award iirc | 21:44 |
| lcuk | yer the guy yesterday pissed on a trainline | 21:44 |
| lcuk | 700volts of goodness through your willy | 21:44 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, maybe not a server, but a led would light up for a few seconds | 21:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: just yesterday. Uk. Polish migrant. | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | is that UK's new anti-immigration plan ? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: has been pissing onto the hot rail | 21:45 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 lol's and know i am going to hell | 21:46 | |
| lcuk | http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=229490&in_page_id=2 | 21:46 |
| RST38h | ore like uncle Chuck collecting his due | 21:46 |
| lcuk | one of my mates used to pee on the broken lamppost near us - he had electrolitic piss - for some reason god left him alone to fight another day | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | talk about a hard-ON | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, heh, there's a big lamppost in front of my house | 21:47 |
| crashanddie | it has become sort of a sport to try and get it to turn off | 21:47 |
| lcuk | cock you leg up | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | just mail me your nokia first | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | heh | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | I got it | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | he died at Vauxhall Station | 21:48 |
| lcuk | hang on - the picture from the metro i just posted | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | piss on the nokia and then send it :p | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | its got him covered in a tarp in the middle of the platform - thats gotta be one hell of an arc | 21:48 |
| overflo | hi lcuk | 21:49 |
| * RST38h has seen a mystery Nokia store today | 21:49 | |
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| lcuk | store or story? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | No phones. No salespeople. | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | any phoenix dongles? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | i think you need new glasses | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Just a rack of some magazines and a girl manning (sic) a desk. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | hi overflo | 21:49 |
| lcuk | ok, i have to find this package and get it onto my machine now | 21:50 |
| * lcuk is excited | 21:50 | |
| lcuk | back soon | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | I'm tempted to put "* lcuk is exited (lcuk) back soon" in the topic | 21:52 |
| lcuk | better than the notice about the sprint message | 21:52 |
| lcuk | gfi | 21:52 |
| RST38h | btw, anybody read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/nokia_community_paid_for/ ? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yes, and i agree - but every single one of us put money in our pockets before we ever found out about nokias campaigning (ie summit sponsorship) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | we bought our devices because we thought they were cool | 21:55 |
| lcuk | at least i did | 21:55 |
| RST38h | I think article mostly talks about the phones | 21:55 |
| RST38h | n95 hype was completely blown out of proportions | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | aas was covering it for days and days almost like if it were iphone | 21:56 |
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| crashanddie | "The Nokia N95 8GB also boasts a new luminous 2.8" QVGA display - one of the largest ever for a multimedia computer" | 22:02 |
| crashanddie | *looks at 22" screen" | 22:02 |
| crashanddie | Wait, what ? | 22:02 |
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| ||cw | heh | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nokia's arrogance about the n95 pissed me off though | 22:03 |
| RST38h | it was a brick with semidecent camera and a horrible price | 22:05 |
| AStorm | lol | 22:06 |
| AStorm | Nokia made no decent and cheap phone recently | 22:06 |
| AStorm | I want some "tether" | 22:06 |
| RST38h | e51 | 22:06 |
| AStorm | it's not cheap | 22:06 |
| AStorm | and it's huge | 22:06 |
| RST38h | and some xxxx phones | 22:06 |
| RST38h | e51 is tiny | 22:06 |
| AStorm | yeah sure | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | xpress music phones are also tiny and cheap | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/xxxx/xxx/ and nokia may have a best-seller | 22:07 |
| AStorm | RST38h: unavailable here :( | 22:07 |
| RST38h | astorm: where? | 22:07 |
| AStorm | Poland | 22:08 |
| crashanddie | well | 22:08 |
| crashanddie | you're in Poland | 22:08 |
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| crashanddie | you're not allowed to whine about phones then :P | 22:08 |
| AStorm | I'm fucked, hell yeah ;P | 22:08 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, get on the boat | 22:08 |
| AStorm | hahaha | 22:09 |
| AStorm | can't | 22:09 |
| AStorm | I get free studies here ;P | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | studies | 22:09 |
| AStorm | actually, I'll be paid ;P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | "How to connect to internetwork with dialup" | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | who cares about them | 22:09 |
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| AStorm | (for studying ;P ) | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | internetwork ? | 22:09 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: sounds like 1992 howto ;P | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | actually | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | I saw a bluetooth dial up modem | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 0_o | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | no batteries, no power needed | 22:10 |
| AStorm | lol | 22:10 |
| crashanddie | completely powered by the phone line | 22:10 |
| lcuk | AStorm, i hear you can get a great deal on a motorola startac | 22:10 |
| AStorm | where? | 22:10 |
| AStorm | HSDPA would be a nice touch | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | HSDPA ? | 22:11 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: yeah, 3.5G | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | do you even have GSM in Poland ? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | HalfSpeedDialuPAccess | 22:11 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: .... | 22:11 |
| AStorm | lcuk: lolllolllol | 22:11 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: right now I may buy some Samsung U700 | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | samsung is good | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | I bought a D500E a few years back | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | works fine, no problem whatsoever | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | It even swims ! | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bluetooth was dodgy on d500 :/ | 22:12 |
| AStorm | that U700 is funny, touchpad-keys | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | (I fell in the pool with it a few times, left it in the soaring rain, whatever, battery was drained, but worked fine once recharged) | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, I never had problems with BT on it, what kind of problems ? | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, a lot of the time, the bluetooth would jam on it. i'd have to remove the battery a few times | 22:14 |
| crashanddie | well | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | It kinda fell out of the car | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | so I had to glue the battery | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | I think it might be problematic once I move to the UK and want to insert a new sim card | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | use your french one and enjoy the high bills :p | 22:16 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wore away the screws on my k750 :/ | 22:17 | |
| crashanddie | I have like 0.3euros worth of credit on it | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you *may* be able to get 10 seconds of calling time to /any/ uk phone | 22:17 |
| AStorm | or 50 KB of data | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | 0.3euro ? | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | You crazy | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | using the credit for prank calls is more fun | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | that's 2sms' in france | 22:19 |
| RST38h | astorm: if you are going to germany for the summit buy one there | 22:19 |
| RST38h | astorm: otherwise the closest location is .ua | 22:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, you german ? | 22:19 |
| AStorm | RST38h: sorry, too expensive | 22:19 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, not coming to the Summit ? | 22:20 |
| RST38h | crash: nope | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, you coming ? | 22:20 |
| RST38h | astorm: how much is inexpensive anyway? | 22:21 |
| RST38h | crash: nope - work and lack of funds | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h comes from the land of asm masterminds | 22:21 |
| AStorm | I get that samsung with a plan for 300 PLN (1 EURO = 3.22 PLN) | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, where you at ? | 22:21 |
| AStorm | the plan is 35 PLN monthly | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | when is poland switching to Euro ? | 22:21 |
| AStorm | some time, who knows ;P | 22:22 |
| AStorm | it was planned to have been this year | 22:22 |
| AStorm | BUT ;P | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | how long you been in the EU ? | 22:22 |
| RST38h | crash: moscow | 22:22 |
| AStorm | since 2003 or so? | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 22:22 |
| AStorm | wait, I'd have to check | 22:22 |
| AStorm | maybe longer | 22:22 |
| RST38h | astorm: lemme search... | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | about time you guys got the right to use a real currency :D | 22:22 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland | 22:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 doesn't want uk to use euro. gbp ftp | 22:23 | |
| AStorm | crashanddie: well, trick is the salaries still will be too low ;P | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | asedeno, keep it up a bit and 1PLN will = $1 | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *ftw | 22:23 |
| AStorm | yeah 2003 was dead on | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, how does that work out btw | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, and where do you live ? | 22:24 |
| RST38h | astorm: this limit disqualifies all the s60 phones :( | 22:24 |
| crashanddie | I have to go to moscow | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, no idea :/. all i know is that things would be more expensive under euro | 22:25 |
| AStorm | RST38h: well, indeed ;P | 22:25 |
| AStorm | all things are already more expensive ;P | 22:25 |
| crashanddie | heh... Nice quote again... | 22:25 |
| crashanddie | (crashanddie) qwerty12_N800, and where do you live ? | 22:25 |
| crashanddie | (qwerty12_N800) crashanddie, no idea :/ | 22:25 |
| AStorm | and this country sucks, because of this: | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, London but i'm from the north like lcuk but w/out the dodgy accent :p | 22:26 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time | 22:26 |
| AStorm | note the graph | 22:26 |
| AStorm | and we get paid too little | 22:26 |
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| AStorm | I'll move later ;P | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, oooooh, you in London ? | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, yeah | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, where ? NSEW ? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | astorm: but if you are willing to shell out $150-200 - get e51 from us | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, East London. west ham station is near me, shame i don't support them :p | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, oooooooh | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, what ya doing next weekend ? | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | :D | 22:28 |
| AStorm | RST38h: I can get e51 here | 22:28 |
| AStorm | cheaper than $200 ;P | 22:28 |
| AStorm | BUT I don't need it | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Astorm: cool | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie, going up north :p | 22:28 |
| AStorm | and it's larger than U700 | 22:28 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | shit | 22:28 |
| RST38h | well if you are just tethering then u100 | 22:29 |
| RST38h | thinner than u700 afaik | 22:29 |
| AStorm | hmm, not just tethering, well, calls aren't excluded | 22:29 |
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| anddam | hello | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | shush, he's here now, don't talk about it | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | hi anddam :) | 22:31 |
| RST38h | it can call too =) | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: i've had mercy on you non sshable people. ./debian-installer -noscreen | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: :P | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it's too late to save my soul, copy and paste ftw :p | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: hehe | 23:03 |
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| anddam | what's an adequate price for an used 770 according to you? | 23:09 |
| anddam | or better how much would you pay for it? | 23:09 |
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| ||cw | anddam: I'd see what they are going for on ebay and adjust as necessary taking ebay fees and hassle into account | 23:17 |
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| anddam | ||cw: that's what I did, its prices are quite variable so I asked for an hint | 23:18 |
| anddam | I'd say between 70 and 100 euro, best market seems UK but sellers don't like shipping oversea | 23:19 |
| anddam | I'd like a cheap unit to play with and eventually get a N8x0 later | 23:20 |
| ||cw | ebay selling prices vary for many reasons, but most commonly it's condition and clarity of the seller. if the description is poor, it's less likely to get a bidding war going | 23:21 |
| anddam | indeed | 23:22 |
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| Atarii | ping rm_you | 23:23 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 pings rm_you because Atarii says to do it | 23:24 | |
| Atarii | gah asleep :( | 23:25 |
| Atarii | someone nudge me irl if he comes back | 23:26 |
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| Cptnodegard | which app shave webcam support? | 23:32 |
| Cptnodegard | for chat | 23:33 |
| * qwerty12_N800 hopes none of them tries shaving the webcam | 23:33 | |
| lcuk | you might find something on gillette.com | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 23:33 |
| dannym | aquatix: hi :) | 23:33 |
| Cptnodegard | apps have | 23:33 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cptnodegard, google talk = tablet 2 tablet. amsn = tablet to pc | 23:34 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 23:34 |
| lcuk | Cptnodegard, lardmans barcode project makes use of it | 23:34 |
| lcuk | but not for webcam hotness | 23:34 |
| lcuk | Beep: size 36 XXL Grundies | 23:34 |
| terbo | officer goes ``whats the keyboard for?`` | 23:34 |
| terbo | times i wish i was recording. | 23:34 |
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| anddam | actually a webcam can be really useful to shave, maybe with a 3x zoom | 23:36 |
| lcuk | apart from lag you are right | 23:37 |
| * qwerty12_N800 waits for the next gilette patent... | 23:37 | |
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| GAN800 | This soft poweroff bullshit is getting ridiculous. | 23:40 |
| GAN800 | I don't think Mr. Weinehall even reads the goddamn bugs. | 23:40 |
| elekt | haha | 23:41 |
| GAN800 | Everybody go vote on those bugs. | 23:41 |
| Proteous | I already voted 43 times | 23:41 |
| elekt | you bleed before you see it | 23:41 |
| Proteous | I just don't feel right voting more then that | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | If rtcomm repo is updated for diablo + dsm svn on garage got haxed, we could fix it ourselves... | 23:41 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, at this point it's getting to be a little less about the bug and a little more about teaching Nokia that we aren't retarded idiots | 23:42 |
| Proteous | what you say! | 23:43 |
| Proteous | yaah, noone for us ar idots | 23:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, I like your thinking. i'll vote for every soft poweroff bug i find. | 23:43 |
| elekt | is the guy that ported milkytracker here? | 23:44 |
| zap | there are at least two ports of milkytracker | 23:46 |
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| elekt | i found psykosis' the other day | 23:47 |
| elekt | do you know the other one? | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | he's sometimes on #maemo | 23:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jott has one too. more integrated. | 23:47 |
| GAN800 | lol | 23:49 |
| smyows | http://www.flickr.com/photos/leahbuechley/2675056150/ | 23:49 |
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| GAN800 | He resolved the 'double-key press can enter, but not exit, soft poweroff' bug as WONTFIX | 23:49 |
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| GAN800 | So apparently it's the EXPECTED BEVAHIOR to be able to do hakf the operation with a double-keypress but not all of it | 23:50 |
| GAN800 | Kill me. | 23:50 |
| dannym | Anyone knows off the top of their head where the SCSI CD Linux kernel module is? (I have it already but I want to put the URL for it in the Wiki page now...) | 23:50 |
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| dannym | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_CDROM_Drive | 23:54 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . hrw got sucked into itT | 23:54 |
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| jott | elekt: what's the problem with milkytracker? (i plan to push my version to extras...) | 23:58 |
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