IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-07-22

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practisevoodoo	still working on this PyGTKEditor issue, try to install sourceview and it says that it cant instal it but it still appears in installed applications	00:01
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jott	zfigz: the dictionaries are here: http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php	00:02
zfigz	cool, thanks jott.	00:03
jott	zfigz: there are various places stardict looks for them ( ~/.stardict/dic for example)	00:04
jott	zfigz: just use "Help" on stardict on your n810 to get the list	00:04
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zfigz	ok	00:06
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zfigz	hmm, still can't find any dictionaries for it	00:08
zfigz	looking on that site	00:08
zfigz	can only find the apps	00:08
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jott	zfigz: its an bit ugly but they are all linked from the site i posted above	00:10
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zfigz	oh ok	00:11
zfigz	i see	00:11
zfigz	yeah	00:11
zfigz	a lil' ugly	00:11
jott	they should try to find a webdesigner ;)	00:11
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zfigz	indeed	00:15
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zfigz	is there a file manager that actually reflects the true data structure of the file system?	00:16
zfigz	because i don't know how to put this dictionary into the right directory	00:16
zfigz	well i downloaded it	00:18
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u1106	zfigz: xterm and ls ???	00:20
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zfigz	I just downloaded a stardict dictionary	00:20
zfigz	not sure how to get stardict to recognize it now	00:21
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zfigz	Anyone know how to move the dictionary to the proper directory?	00:24
crashanddie	zfigz, where did you download it ?	00:24
zfigz	Do Documents	00:24
crashanddie	zfigz, open the terminal	00:24
zfigz	er	00:24
zfigz	To that is	00:24
zfigz	Ok	00:24
zfigz	Terminal opened	00:25
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crashanddie	zfigz, ls MyDods/.documents	00:25
crashanddie	s/MyDods/MyDocs/	00:25
infobot	crashanddie meant: zfigz, ls MyDocs/.documents	00:25
zfigz	ok	00:26
zfigz	it's still tar'd	00:26
zfigz	do i need to untar it?	00:26
crashanddie	I dunno	00:26
crashanddie	probably	00:26
zfigz	how would i move it to ~/.stardict/dic ?	00:26
crashanddie	zfigz, tar xvf MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar -C ~/.stardict/dic	00:27
zap	Is there a way to tell maemo-launcher to restart without rebooting the device?	00:27
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crashanddie	zap, /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher restart	00:28
zfigz	argh	00:28
zfigz	no such file	00:28
crashanddie	zfigz, what no such file ?	00:29
crashanddie	zfigz, ~/.stardict ?	00:29
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zap	crashanddie: that reboots :-)	00:30
zfigz	um	00:30
zfigz	I think so	00:30
crashanddie	zap, oh, I don't think there is then	00:30
crashanddie	zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict	00:30
crashanddie	zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict/dic	00:30
crashanddie	(yes, you have to issue both commands)	00:30
zfigz	ok	00:31
zfigz	ok	00:32
zfigz	yeah	00:32
zfigz	i can't untar it	00:32
zap	ah cool, force-reload does the trick!	00:32
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crashanddie	zfigz, why not ?	00:32
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zfigz	it's not in mydocs	00:33
zfigz	that's why	00:33
zfigz	I'm not sure how to find it via terminal	00:35
zfigz	via the file manager it's in documents	00:35
lbt	there may be a hidden file called .documents in /home/user/mydocs	00:36
lbt	use ls -la	00:36
lbt	also the 'find' command is useful	00:36
crashanddie	that's exactly what I said	00:36
lbt	I wasn't listening :)	00:36
crashanddie	MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar	00:36
crashanddie	well I don't mind you not listening	00:37
lbt	:D	00:37
zfigz	ok	00:37
jott	crashanddie: ever tried mkdir -p ~/much/more/directories/at/once ? ;)	00:37
crashanddie	jott, I prefer educating new users the right way	00:37
jott	-p is the right way :O	00:37
crashanddie	it also prevents people making mistakes such as mkdir Videos/Torrent/eMule	00:38
zfigz	well hmm	00:38
zfigz	can't find it	00:38
crashanddie	where "Torrent/eMule" is meant to be the same directory	00:38
zfigz	doesn't make any sense	00:38
zfigz	I should just be able to move it easily	00:38
zfigz	Anyone know how i can find this in terminal?	00:39
zfigz	it's obviously not the same as the file mangaer.	00:39
sp3000	find /home/user/MyDocs	00:40
zfigz	ok	00:41
zfigz	ok	00:42
zfigz	bz2?	00:42
crashanddie	zfigz, ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/	00:44
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zfigz	ok	00:45
zfigz	did that	00:45
zfigz	a bunch of text went down	00:45
zfigz	shows that file i want to untar	00:45
jott	you need to install "bzip2" to extract bz2 ... installing dictionaries does not look very end-user friendly :/	00:45
zfigz	hehe	00:46
zfigz	not at all	00:46
zfigz	:P	00:46
zfigz	ok	00:46
zfigz	i'll get that	00:46
zfigz	argh	00:46
zfigz	it's not in the installer	00:46
zfigz	annoying	00:46
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zfigz	oh well	00:47
zfigz	no dictionaries for me i guess	00:47
zfigz	so there's no application to uncompress a bz2 file?	00:49
zfigz	on the n810 that is	00:49
jott	oh there should be..	00:49
lcuk	jott, if i wanted to use the gnu socket library (#include <sys/socket.h>) which --lib should I include?	00:51
lcuk	--libs	00:51
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sp3000	Package: bzip2 1.0.3-1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_free_binary-armel_Packages)	00:51
jott	lcuk: hmm i don't think you need any extra libs	00:52
lcuk	undefined reference to `init_sockaddr'	00:52
lcuk	at linkage	00:52
* sp3000 treats himself to some desktop crashes		00:52
GeneralAntilles	andre__, ping.	00:52
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andre__	GeneralAntilles, pong	00:52
jott	lcuk: mmh what did you do?	00:53
GeneralAntilles	Still need more on #3478?	00:53
lcuk	hmmm, crashanddie just told me exact same	00:53
lcuk	it works direct without a makefile.	00:53
lcuk	im gonna clean it out	00:53
lcuk	sorry to disturb ya	00:53
* lcuk scratches his head		00:54
zfigz	sp3000, how do i get that application?	00:54
andre__	GeneralAntilles, more info is never bad :-P	00:54
sp3000	depends	00:54
sp3000	one would be, as root apt-get install bzip2	00:54
GeneralAntilles	Well, sure, but I'm hoping I provided enough context. ;)	00:54
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sp3000	(you need to enable the pre-defined maemo extras repository in app mgr first)	00:55
andre__	GeneralAntilles, i think it's okay like this. let's see what the devs will say :)	00:55
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GeneralAntilles	I mean, I know m-vo is familiar with the issue	00:55
jott	lcuk: does it work now? ;)	00:55
andre__	GeneralAntilles, and he's the internal assignee for this	00:56
andre__	grrr, gnome bugzilla is slow...	00:56
GeneralAntilles	Can't possibly be as slow as maemo.org. :P	00:56
andre__	hah.	00:57
sp3000	I need some sort of evil mascot for unreproducible crashes	00:57
sp3000	unreproducible crash baboon?	00:57
crashanddie	sp3000, use GeneralAntilles	00:57
* GeneralAntilles sings and dances.		00:58
zfigz	whats the pass for root?	00:58
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GeneralAntilles	3rd plug for anybody who hasn't already seen it: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla	00:58
GeneralAntilles	Needs more input.	00:58
sp3000	I may be trying to crash it, I'm not quite sure	00:58
jott	~rootsh	00:59
infobot	[rootsh] an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/	00:59
lcuk	jott, no im just trying to work out why	00:59
sp3000	but it crashes instead right when I stop trying S	00:59
sp3000	s/S/:S/	00:59
infobot	sp3000 meant: but it crashes instead right when I stop trying :S	00:59
jott	lcuk: have you actually defined init_sockaddr? :O	00:59
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lcuk	doubt it	00:59
jott	lcuk: sooo.... .. . :)	01:00
lcuk	http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Inet-Example.html#Inet-Example	01:00
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lcuk	i was trying to start from the beginning	01:00
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jott	lcuk: yeah well see, they show how to implement a function init_sockaddr :)	01:01
* lcuk facepalms		01:01
zfigz	ok, i download bz2 but i don't know where it downloaded to	01:01
* lcuk takes a bow		01:01
lcuk	i told you i shouldnt drink wine and code	01:02
crashanddie	lol	01:02
crashanddie	isn't that exactly what I said ?	01:02
lcuk	so now tonight im sat here thinking i coded it fine	01:02
jott	lcuk: just make sure you hit the ballmer peak ;) ( http://xkcd.com/323/ )	01:02
lcuk	;)	01:03
lcuk	i dont normally drink but opened a bottle of red lastnight	01:03
zfigz	I downloaded bzip2 but i don't know where it got downloaded to	01:03
zfigz	i used root to download it	01:03
sp3000	hm	01:04
* sp3000 is starting to suspect the large statusbar clock minutes applet crashes eventually if the hours aren't enabled, or something		01:04
zfigz	hmm	01:05
zfigz	I'm thinking of just using a different dictionary application	01:06
zfigz	this is way too confusing	01:06
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GeneralAntilles	sp3000, unlikely	01:06
yigal	lcuk: whisky, a true coders drink	01:06
GeneralAntilles	What might be happening is that its alarm functions could be causing trouble	01:06
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GeneralAntilles	Make sure the alarm stuff is turned off.	01:07
GeneralAntilles	zfigz, apt-get install bzip2	01:07
sp3000	it's off it says	01:07
zfigz	ok	01:07
zfigz	i'll try that	01:07
lcuk	yigal, no way. i followed everything i had been taught and just missed one line.	01:07
lcuk	<< PHAIL	01:08
zfigz	hmm	01:08
zfigz	i don't know	01:08
zfigz	this shite not working	01:08
sp3000	GeneralAntilles: but, yeah, it isn't that simple	01:09
sp3000	which is why I cue in ...	01:09
sp3000	unreproducible crash boboon!	01:09
sp3000	baboon even!	01:09
zfigz	yeah, i don't see that it was even installed	01:10
lcuk	hey jott, it compiles now	01:10
lcuk	redfaced	01:10
GeneralAntilles	What's the crash about, anyway?	01:10
GeneralAntilles	Unreproducible Crash Baboon says, "Hi" http://www.mnh.si.edu/exhibits/natures_best_2006/gallery/baboon.jpg	01:11
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crashanddie	Haha	01:13
crashanddie	That baboon makes me think of me when I haven't shaved for a while	01:13
lcuk	that baboon would scare the missus	01:14
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crashanddie	even though she's used to you ?	01:14
GeneralAntilles	Print it out, fold it into a throwing star and throw it at here.	01:14
GeneralAntilles	s/here/her/	01:14
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Print it out, fold it into a throwing star and throw it at her.	01:14
zfigz	Does anyone know of a different dictionary besides this poopy stardict	01:14
zfigz	?	01:14
GeneralAntilles	wiktionary.org	01:14
GeneralAntilles	Or tell her you're printing her out something important and send her to the print	01:15
GeneralAntilles	er	01:15
lcuk	its too similar to a clown	01:16
crashanddie	"We have 500Gig of RAID storage, the database you will be designing should be able to work on that drive for the next 10 years, without space issues" "The database, with 15k users, 15k companies, 15k sensors, 45k test results, and 50k of random entries weighs about 500M" "OH MY GOD, BUT WE TOLD YOU TO THINK OF THE DRIVE SPACE !!" "How many companies/users/sensors have you tested in the past year ?" "Err 3" "I rest my case"	01:17
zfigz	mdictionary i guess is my best bet	01:17
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zfigz	Is Map any better than maemo mapper?	01:18
zfigz	because wow, the gps locate is terrible	01:18
crashanddie	zfigz, they're difference	01:18
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crashanddie	s/difference/different	01:18
zfigz	one costs money	01:18
zfigz	and the other doesn't	01:19
crashanddie	Map doesn't cost money	01:19
zfigz	i know that...but i just wish i could have a gps program that worked a lil' butter	01:19
zfigz	er	01:19
zfigz	no?	01:19
crashanddie	zfigz, have you tried A-GPS BETA ?	01:19
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, you want one of my sharpened sticks to punish them with?	01:19
zfigz	crash, does that work pretty well?	01:20
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, I hide a sharpened n810 stylus	01:20
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sp3000	it gets some data from the internets so it'll have a better guesstimate of which sats to listen to or such, so it gets a fix somewhat faster	01:21
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andre__	night...	01:23
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GeneralAntilles	Don't forget! Sprint meeting in #maemo-meeting tomorrow, everybody!	01:29
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andre__	19:00 UTC	01:31
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zfigz	A-GPS Beta looks a lil' clunky	01:35
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lcuk	:) client and server are talking	01:43
jott	lcuk: now you can distribute your mini mes :)	01:45
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lcuk	now i can see what kind of bandwidth is available	01:45
rm_you	lcuk: ?	01:47
rm_you	client/server of what	01:47
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lcuk	rm_you, :) i have extracted the gstreamer camera data from the barcode stuff and am pushing the data from the live camera onto a liqbase bitmap	01:48
lcuk	that bitmap is being blitted live onto screen. i can nicely fit 25 such bitmaps on a screen	01:48
lcuk	i want to see whether i can replace 25 mini mes with 25 mini yous	01:48
rm_you	ROFL	01:49
rm_you	I will beta :P	01:49
rm_you	have decent up bandwidth	01:49
crashanddie	I'm first :P	01:49
lcuk	i have no idea if it will work	01:49
lcuk	its just for the hell of it	01:49
lcuk	even if we update once every 10 seconds it would be a laugh	01:50
lcuk	gives us another thing to do with our devices :)	01:50
rm_you	should at minimum be able to update 2fps i would think	01:51
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lcuk	i once wrote a program to do this (for my old college) which would show a preview of ALL desktops in a classroom - even those out of sight. the teacher could then click to zoom and get vnc type updates. they could send cautionary emails and messages tothe screens and log them out n stuff all with picture goodness	01:54
lcuk	anyway, this is similar but for camera images :)	01:54
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zfigz	this mdictionary is ok...only if it had dictionaries in it	01:57
jott	isn't gstreamer supposed to push the data over the network too?	01:57
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lcuk	jott, dunno, can it?	01:59
crashanddie	yeah	01:59
crashanddie	you can send it to a networked sink	01:59
snowmoon	don't you love beating your head against a wall all day only to find out the bug is on the other end of the tcp/ip connection gah	01:59
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jott	brontide: are you refering to layer 8? ;>	02:01
brontide	actually google, what's up with layer 8?	02:01
brontide	ahh... wikipedia to the rescue	02:02
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brontide	google's atom standards compliance leaves a little to be desired ( as in some things just don't work )	02:03
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eike	look here : http://geld-fuchz.1x.to/	02:32
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GeneralAntilles	What do I need to do to get gpsd to accept external connections?	02:57
GeneralAntilles	We could really use a gpsd wiki page	02:57
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rm_you	jott: lcuk: I want to get datamatrix working...	03:09
rm_you	so that we can encode links and stuff on our tablets	03:09
rm_you	and then at the summit people can scan the images from people's tablets :P	03:09
rm_you	easy way to share links	03:09
lcuk	cool idea	03:09
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gramulhaozin	hey guys	03:12
gramulhaozin	the N810 USB is host or client ?	03:12
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gramulhaozin	can I connect a wireless USB into it ?	03:12
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rm_you	gramulhaozin: it is on-the-go	03:14
rm_you	so it can do host	03:14
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gramulhaozin	I'm wondering if I can plug a sierrawireless card into it	03:14
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gramulhaozin	rm_you: like an EVDO card	03:18
gramulhaozin	rm_you: or 3g or edge	03:19
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GeneralAntilles	gramulhaozin, if you can find drivers.	03:20
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GeneralAntilles	and it'll need a power injector	03:20
gramulhaozin	5volts right	03:20
gramulhaozin	5 volts and 1/2 amps	03:20
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gramulhaozin	a little 5V LI-Poly batter would work	03:22
GeneralAntilles	Somebody set up video chat with their tablet, make yourself a hard hat and attach it to it so I can attend the Summit.	03:23
gramulhaozin	there is linux support for the thing	03:24
gramulhaozin	ATT sells plan for PDA for 30 Bucks	03:25
gramulhaozin	can I get a GSM SIM from PDA and plug into a card and play ?	03:25
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summatusmentis	GeneralAntilles: Sprint review? what does that mean?	03:44
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crashanddie	Haha	05:15
crashanddie	I can launch websites on the NIT my console on my laptop :)	05:16
crashanddie	http://slexy.org/view/s2cs8TPVoA	05:18
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skibur	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYbQfDhGKg	05:52
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UserID10T	Hey folks. Could someone help me with some questions about the advanced backlight statusbar applet?	06:01
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GeneralAntilles	summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3	07:29
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ttmrichter	OK, I've finally got around to installing the Maemo SDK. Am I missing something or is the environment entirely missing all the apps that my own apps may want to wind up interacting with?	07:33
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rm_you	UserID10T: yo	07:51
rm_you	UserID10T: what you need?	07:52
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Stskeeps	anyone with a 770 who can answer http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 ? i'm personally a bit curious about -sources.tar.gz ;)	09:02
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rm_you	UserID10T: yo	09:04
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GAN800	Stskeeps, that'd really be a Nokia question. I've never seen a straight answer to that. Basically, it should be a collection of patches and scripts for turning OS2008+OS2006 into OS2008HE, but I don't know of anybody outside of Nokia who has managed to apply them	09:08
GAN800	They basically come with zero documentation.	09:09
Stskeeps	GAN800: well, there's both patches and -sources, and the last one is curious :P	09:09
Stskeeps	i guess i'm just too excited cos i just got my morning coffee ;)	09:10
GAN800	If you want a WLAN to grab them for nit-debian, I can furnish you with something.	09:10
Stskeeps	mm, might be interested, and just hoping it's not closed source stuff in it as that'd taint me :P	09:12
johnx	Stskeeps, yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing :/	09:13
Stskeeps	mostly curious because of differences between n770 and n800	09:13
Stskeeps	johnx: saw my messages last night?	09:14
johnx	yup	09:14
Stskeeps	and this one? ;) NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -window root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg)	09:14
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Stskeeps	which leads to a -lot- of interesting possibilities	09:15
johnx	a flash based UI for you? :)	09:15
Stskeeps	well for anyone who want to implement it	09:15
Stskeeps	to make a UI it's a matter of getting cherrypy (python based webserver), slap a flash on top that uses json to communicate with the backend cherrypy, and a gtkmozembed script :P	09:16
Stskeeps	it's actually fairly fast loading	09:16
johnx	that's pretty cool	09:17
johnx	how's the responsiveness?	09:17
Stskeeps	well i only had lame .swfs to test with, but haven't seen any simple flash things	09:17
Stskeeps	the one i had in browser was okay in responsiveness, but it was prolly slowed down by having entire of ephihany loaded	09:17
johnx	a pixel doubled 400x240 flash UI might be neat for some applications	09:18
Stskeeps	but i have the hack down to having a package Provides: osso-esd (which depends on a real esd), apt-get install libcurl3 libosso1, dpkg -i adobe-flashplayer, dpkg -i libplayback, and a LD_PRELOAD of libesd and my 'fakehildon.so'	09:20
Stskeeps	so it's fairly packagable	09:20
Stskeeps	if i can find something to inject a library dependancy into a .so we could avoid LD_PRELOAD	09:21
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doc\|home	anyone know why mpcc still isn't working?	09:26
GAN800	mmpc?	09:27
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doc\|home	er, possibly :/	09:27
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GAN800	qwerty12, interviewed? :P	09:27
doc\|home	yes	09:27
doc\|home	mmpc	09:27
qwerty12	GAN800: Yep :/	09:28
qwerty12	I'm not much of a speaker though...	09:28
GAN800	Ha, Skype interview?	09:29
qwerty12	He wanted me to do an podcast, I was too tired and would prefer to do an Q&A	09:29
GAN800	Hehe	09:30
GAN800	Not being Quim, the rest of us fail at 'live' interviews. :D	09:30
qwerty12	Lol :D	09:30
qwerty12	If someone was to live interview me right now, all they would hear was mumbles.	09:31
Stskeeps	irc interviews are much better	09:31
Stskeeps	:P	09:31
qwerty12	<-- Too tired >.<	09:31
Stskeeps	voice is overrated ;)	09:31
GAN800	Voice is alright, but better left to people with experience with it.	09:32
XTLi	On both sides	09:32
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Please fix the the backspace key in the installer! It sends a ^@ symbol instead, I was up to the root password part (which it took me a long time to get to) and I made a mistake and I couldn't go back to change it so I thought I would get the option to set it again and I didn't. The chroot failed and the installer kicked me out :(	09:33
XTLi	You can rarely get away from it, though	09:33
XTLi	That is a funny bs	09:34
Stskeeps	qwerty12: root password? then system is almost installed	09:34
Stskeeps	qwerty12: just chroot /mnt/nit-debian, passwd root, mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.FAKE; mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL /sbin/start-stop-daemon	09:35
qwerty12	Stskeeps: I messed it up though. I'm not sure what was to be done next so I reformatted the partition :/	09:35
Stskeeps	oki	09:35
Stskeeps	qwerty12: what TERM do you have?	09:35
Stskeeps	i think it's a screen issue so :P	09:35
XTLi	Funny way to say NUL?	09:35
qwerty12	Stskeeps: I'm using the osso-xterm that comes with Diablo.	09:36
Stskeeps	qwerty12: ah, still tampering with not over ssh :)	09:36
Stskeeps	i'll see what i can do	09:36
qwerty12	:), thanks, I can't ssh into my device so ssh is out for me. Meanwhile, I'll grab that terminal KotCzarny built with xvkbd.	09:37
Stskeeps	could you do a "set \| grep TERM" in osso-xterm and tell me what it says?	09:37
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qwerty12	COLORTERM='Terminal'	09:38
qwerty12	TERM='xterm'	09:38
XTLi	Maybe echo $TERM	09:38
Stskeeps	k	09:39
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Stskeeps	neat, searching for ^@ on google groups causes a server error	09:42
Stskeeps	qwerty12: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen/+bug/29787	09:47
Stskeeps	could you see if "and make sure "stty erase ^?" is set for the terminal" would work?	09:47
Stskeeps	or nevermind, i'll just grab svn and add the screenrc patch :P	09:48
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qwerty12	That's even nicer :P. BTW, I know I'm complaining a lot but I really appreciate your work into this.	09:49
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: hey, software has bugs and if there's bugs reported, it only means people cared enough about the product to do it :P	09:52
Stskeeps	qwerty12: svn up, and screen -c template-screenrc, and try to run passwd or the likes and see if backspace works now	09:52
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qwerty12	Great, grabbing now.	09:53
Stskeeps	screen -c won't run an installer, just a sh session to see if it happens again :P	09:53
qwerty12	I'm 80% sure it didn't work and when I tried testing again, mce restarted the device :/	09:57
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qwerty12	No, password says the passwords I enter do not match.	09:59
qwerty12	*passwd	09:59
Stskeeps	k, so i guess fix didn't work, hmm.	09:59
Stskeeps	did you have backspace problems when entering mirror?	10:00
qwerty12	Yeah	10:00
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Stskeeps	hmm	10:01
qwerty12	Gtg now, bye	10:01
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Stskeeps	guess i'll have to mess around with osso-xterm when i get home :>	10:02
XTLi	It's not the brightest term around	10:04
XTLi	If you run stty, is erase set to something funny?	10:06
rm_you	i'm not sure that i like my new sleep schedule >_>	10:06
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johnx	hey rm_you	10:09
johnx	rm_you, why not?	10:09
rm_you	:P	10:09
jott	rm_you: http://xkcd.com/448/ so where are you now? ;)	10:11
rm_you	lol	10:12
rm_you	problem is, i'm going to sleep now	10:12
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jott	rm_you: don't be too sure about that yet ;)	10:13
rm_you	gah	10:13
rm_you	whats up? :P	10:13
* jott plays the riddler.. muhahaha		10:13
rm_you	jott: so, trying to figure out why this isn't working with anyone ELSE's tablet	10:14
rm_you	grrs	10:14
rm_you	no one else can get names of items to come up	10:14
rm_you	makes no sense	10:14
rm_you	works perfect on mine	10:14
rm_you	what version of libsqlite3-0 are you on?	10:14
jott	maybe you have a different sql database or sqlite version indeed ..	10:14
rm_you	hrm	10:15
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jott	Installed: 3.4.1-1osso3	10:15
jott	though it would be mindf*cked if the minor version would matter :/	10:15
rm_you	using 3.5.9 here	10:15
jott	why not use the official one?	10:16
rm_you	dunno >_>	10:16
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rm_you	will switch back	10:16
rm_you	OH yeah	10:16
rm_you	i needed sqlite3 to make the DB	10:16
rm_you	and for some reason the official one just straight up REFUSED to build the main package	10:17
rm_you	with the utilities	10:17
jott	you could always write a mini client .. :P	10:17
rm_you	lol	10:17
rm_you	sec	10:17
rm_you	need to grab the official one	10:17
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Khertan_TheReal	Hi !	10:18
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rm_you	yep wow	10:19
rm_you	it's the version of the lib	10:19
rm_you	gah	10:19
rm_you	fixing	10:19
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Khertan_TheReal	someone have see ubuntu ume first release ?	10:22
Khertan_TheReal	does there is a pim ?	10:22
Khertan_TheReal	calendar specially ?	10:22
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rm_you	hrm	10:26
rm_you	jott: great...	10:26
rm_you	i think the db is broken	10:27
rm_you	in 3.4.1	10:27
rm_you	>_>	10:27
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jott	rm_you: oO	10:27
rm_you	stupid...	10:29
jott	indeed	10:29
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rm_you	oops forgot to add the .h	10:30
rm_you	checked in properly now :P	10:30
rm_you	lol	10:30
jott	http://www.sqlite.org/formatchng.html mh ;)	10:30
rm_you	you and your "mh"	10:30
jott	"The previous file format change has caused so much grief that the default behavior has been changed back to the original file format. " ;)	10:31
rm_you	damnit	10:31
jott	still it should work.. this change as before 3.4 :/	10:32
jott	3.4.2 to 3.5.0 -> The on-disk file format is unchanged.	10:33
jott	hah but it does not say 3.4.1 -> 3.5.0 ;>	10:33
rm_you	......	10:33
rm_you	this is stupid	10:33
rm_you	i'd go back to 2.8 if the API wasnt horribly undocumented and lame	10:33
rm_you	and i'd just convert the DB if there was a buildable version of sqlite for 3.4.1	10:34
bef0rd	can't you 'export' it to sql sentences and then create it again with 3.4.1?	10:34
XTLi	:)	10:34
bef0rd	oh :P	10:34
rm_you	IT'S RIDICULOUS	10:34
rm_you	WHY	10:34
rm_you	WHY DOESN'T 3.4.1 INCLUDE THE MAIN UTILITY PACKAGE	10:34
rm_you	WHYYYYYYYY	10:34
XTLi	.dump exports	10:34
rm_you	and what will import it!?	10:35
rm_you	>_<	10:35
XTLi	Just running the output, which is SQL imports	10:35
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XTLi	But without access.. :)	10:35
XTLi	You can't get to any tool or api that would let you run arbitrary statements?	10:36
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rm_you	hrm	10:38
rm_you	working on it	10:38
jott	or just add the sqlite3 package description to the 3.4.1 control file? ;)	10:38
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XTLi	I don't actually know what you're doing anyway :)	10:39
jott	cursing that 3.4.1 sqlite databases seem to be incompatible to 3.5.9 ones :)	10:40
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rm_you	jott: it is in there	10:42
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jott	rm_you: no	10:43
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rm_you	jott: it so totally is :P well, in mine	10:43
rm_you	i tried messing with it	10:43
jott	atleast not in the osso one	10:43
bef0rd	why does rm_you have 3.5.9?	10:43
jott	from diablo sources	10:43
rm_you	yep	10:43
jott	it just build the sqlite3 package	10:43
rm_you	bef0rd: i built it myself	10:43
jott	bef0rd: because the nokia folks removed the sqlite3 standalone from the control file :p	10:44
jott	and hence it's not build..	10:44
acydlord	my touchscreen isnt working anymore :(	10:44
acydlord	doesnt even make the tick when you press it	10:44
* jott disabled the tick		10:45
acydlord	hah, then re-enable the touch :p	10:45
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jott	i just wanted to say, that the tick is not an indication for a working touchscreen ... :/	10:47
Khertan_TheReal	acydlord > check there is nothing blocked between the screen and the cover	10:48
acydlord	northing in there	10:48
acydlord	at least not that i can see	10:48
jott	reboot? :)	10:48
acydlord	reboot and reflash didnt fix	10:48
bef0rd	ouch	10:48
jott	mh :(	10:49
Khertan_TheReal	because as it not multitouch if something is pressing the screen between the plastique cover and the screen, user feel that the touch screen is defective	10:49
Khertan_TheReal	also remove screen protector if you have one	10:49
acydlord	i looked down in there and didnt see anything	10:49
acydlord	no screen protector	10:50
Khertan_TheReal	hum too bad	10:50
acydlord	anyway to pull the front face off to make sure?	10:50
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Khertan_TheReal	oh ...	10:50
Khertan_TheReal	wifi at home drop ...	10:50
acydlord	it's an n810	10:50
jott	acydlord: hm not that easy ..	10:51
acydlord	at least on the 880 i could pull the front cover off	10:51
XTLi	Would be useful tosee if the screen is registering anything	10:51
acydlord	i was gonna try to pull everything apart to make sure something didnt come loose but didnt get too fa	10:51
Khertan_TheReal	hum ... if it s a n810 ... waranty should cover this	10:52
acydlord	the screen was resgistering touches off and on for the past 2 days, and then about 2 hours ago it just stopped altogether	10:52
Khertan_TheReal	as n810 is less 1 year old	10:52
jott	rm_you: http://outpo.st/sqlite3_3.4.1-1osso3_armel.deb works here	10:52
acydlord	yeah	10:52
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rm_you	k	10:52
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jott	acydlord: and i would not open it as long as you have warranty ...	10:52
acydlord	but from what i've heard about the nokia repairs i may be dead by the time i get it back	10:53
Khertan_TheReal	great thing that there is a 2 year warranty	10:53
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Khertan_TheReal	acydlord > it take 2 weeks to get mine come back	10:53
acydlord	I have a feeling it's something to do with the cable from the keyboard sliding	10:54
jott	acydlord: maybe also check with a local nokia store.. if they can fix it inhouse you can make better pressure	10:54
acydlord	2 weeks isnt too terribly bad	10:54
acydlord	i dont think i have a local nokia store	10:54
acydlord	guess i should check	10:54
XTLi	Laggy :(	10:54
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acydlord	from looking at the itt forums it seems to be a common issue =/	10:56
Khertan_TheReal	acydlord > call nokia support, they will give you the nearest one	10:56
acydlord	i thought there was only one nokia store in the states	10:56
Khertan_TheReal	?	10:56
acydlord	when i was looking online awhile back they only had newyork listed	10:57
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Khertan_TheReal	repair center can be a store that isn't nokia one	10:59
Khertan_TheReal	they just send it	10:59
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Khertan_TheReal	this was the case for me	10:59
acydlord	AHH	10:59
johnx	now I'm worried about my touch screen :(	11:00
acydlord	CRAP, THE NOKIA SITE SAYS TO SEND A PROOF OF PURCHASE?	11:00
acydlord	eep sorry aboot the caps	11:00
johnx	understandable	11:00
johnx	I'm in the same situation...	11:00
acydlord	i hope they dont absolutely require the proof of purchase, i lost all that mess moving	11:01
acydlord	this makes me wish i handt sold my 800	11:01
jku	acydlord, they don't in Finland at least	11:04
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macoute	in finland you hardly ever need a proof of purchase with nokias	11:06
macoute	and with n810 you really shouldnt, as its not as old yet :)	11:06
Khertan_TheReal	same thing in france	11:07
Khertan_TheReal	but if u buy it online, you can also ask for a duplicata	11:07
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acydlord	I bought it online, but the online store nokia used for the developers discounts sucks	11:09
acydlord	the nokia site really isnt friendly to IT owners	11:10
Jaffa	Morning, all	11:10
acydlord	the repair thing first tells me to contact my service provider	11:10
rm_you	they should give developers special warranty services :P	11:11
Veggen	mmm. I like n810, but the phone bill will be high :)	11:11
Veggen	<---on vacation in ital.	11:11
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acydlord	they should, but it seems the main arm of nokia is oblivious to the tablets	11:12
johnx	I think it's kind of a pilot project at this point	11:12
johnx	I wonder how it was when Nokia was first getting into mobile phones...	11:13
acydlord	i cant even get the repair taken care of without calling	11:13
acydlord	it requires a carrier and the cell number	11:13
johnx	heh	11:13
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XTLi	And when you call, they tell you to reinstakk windows, their software and see if it works	11:15
XTLi	Then tell you that version isn't supported	11:16
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rm_you	jott: wtf	11:16
rm_you	jott: ok now i am getting the same as you, no names	11:16
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X-Fade	morning	11:16
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rm_you	nm	11:17
rm_you	working	11:17
rm_you	just found ONE barcode that does ODD things	11:17
rm_you	jott: anyway, you can try it now, new DB	11:18
acydlord	man, i'm gonna be stuck using my centro for awhile if i have to ship my n810 out for repairs	11:18
Khertan_TheReal	hehe	11:19
Khertan_TheReal	Palm Powa ...	11:19
acydlord	yeah	11:19
acydlord	i hope they get the treo 800 palm version out before christmas	11:19
Khertan_TheReal	hum ... personnaly i ll never buy palm product	11:20
Khertan_TheReal	:)	11:20
acydlord	why is that?	11:20
johnx	heh...saw a 16MB clie for $30 used at a local store...almost looked like it would be worth it to play with	11:20
Khertan_TheReal	i was a fanboy in the past ... but they re api tend to be more and more ridiculous	11:20
johnx	yeah, from a development perspective I would stay the heck away. but they're nice from a user perspective for some things	11:21
acydlord	i mainly got mine for all the dirty hacks you can do	11:21
acydlord	like circumventing sprint's 5gb a month PAM cap	11:22
rm_you	jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2	11:22
rm_you	same filename (meh) new DB	11:22
Khertan_TheReal	example : to set the home button to launch an application there is a way to do this with api, but there is a new function incompatible with the old each time a new device is released	11:22
rm_you	should work now	11:22
rm_you	test?	11:22
Khertan_TheReal	for treo680, there is two ...	11:22
Khertan_TheReal	it s a real pain to use network socket for example	11:23
* acydlord mourns his N810 touchscreen		11:23
Khertan_TheReal	as library isn't the same for all device, and isn't documented for all device	11:24
acydlord	yeah, i gave up on coding for palm awhile back	11:24
Khertan_TheReal	i ve pass many time to make kMeteo working on many device	11:24
acydlord	i dont even use it for much more than email and as a modem to be honest	11:24
acydlord	i'm using kmeteo on my centro :)	11:25
Khertan_TheReal	:)	11:25
Khertan_TheReal	i ve writted my own library	11:25
johnx	rm_you, will test in a sec	11:25
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acydlord	haha, and tis whole time i didnt notice it was one of your apps	11:25
acydlord	i should look at the about pages more often	11:25
Khertan_TheReal	:)	11:25
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Khertan_TheReal	and it s open source	11:25
Khertan_TheReal	:)	11:25
acydlord	it's the best weather app i've found for palm	11:26
acydlord	anywho i've got to get to bed, gotta be up for work in 5 hours	11:26
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Khertan_TheReal	thanks	11:27
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rm_you	:)	11:39
bef0rd	;_;	11:39
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bef0rd	did you get the db to work with 3.4.1 rm_you ?	11:40
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rm_you	bef0rd: yes	11:40
bef0rd	cool. What was it for? :P	11:41
Stskeeps	johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 , guess that explains what it is :) (fanoush's post)	11:41
rm_you	jot managed to strangehold the control file into coughing up the utility package	11:41
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rm_you	bef0rd: barcode scanner	11:41
johnx	Stskeeps, think it's safe for people to look at that stuff?	11:42
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johnx	rm_you, ok, so I have the .db	11:42
johnx	where should I get the program?	11:42
Stskeeps	johnx: not a single bit	11:42
Stskeeps	well, mce is already "out there"	11:43
johnx	<sarvasm>great. Nothing quite like a release of source that has more potential to cause harm than good.</sarcasm>	11:44
Stskeeps	yeah.. there should be a law that once a source has leaked from official company page, it's public domain ;)	11:44
Stskeeps	god, i love my regen_repo script	11:47
Stskeeps	saves so much bloody time	11:47
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Stskeeps	woo, http://rafb.net/p/KWZidu60.html :)	11:51
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johnx	slick	11:53
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Stskeeps	johnx: is license on http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian#License okay for you? since i include a bunch of your hacks :P	11:57
johnx	hmm, I wonder what Debian's policy is with regards to using the Debian name to promote Debian derivatives	11:59
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Stskeeps	that's a good question	11:59
Stskeeps	else we'll just call it something else :P	12:00
Stskeeps	but then any of the projects around the tablets with Debian have issues, even the chroot ones ;)	12:01
macoute	so not GPL?	12:01
macoute	i doubt Debians name can be used in "closed" projects?	12:02
rm_you	johnx: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode	12:02
johnx	macoute, it's essentially the BSD license unless I'm mistaken	12:03
macoute	well, your license seems ok	12:03
johnx	the BSD license is GPL compatible	12:03
macoute	johnx: yeah, i just read it :)	12:03
johnx	ah, ok	12:03
Stskeeps	johnx: it is the bsd license :P	12:03
macoute	johnx: but is your version of bsd gpl compatible?	12:03
macoute	theres no saying "BSD License version xxx"	12:03
macoute	so its not BSD, althought it "is" BSD	12:04
johnx	was the advertisement clause a problem? I forgot...	12:04
Stskeeps	yeah, it was	12:04
Stskeeps	but there's none in this one	12:04
Stskeeps	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license	12:04
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johnx	macoute, since the BSD license allows you to re-publish under the GPL, it's de-facto GPL compatible	12:04
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macoute	johnx: yeah, BSD is, but no-one is sure that is your version of BSD	12:05
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macoute	johnx: as your license is not BSD (as there is no mention of BSD anywhere on your license)	12:06
macoute	but that surely looks like a nice project :)	12:06
macoute	i havent had the time to test myself yet	12:06
johnx	macoute, ok, read the license. it clearly says you're allowed to do pretty much anything, including relicense	12:06
Stskeeps	macoute: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php	12:06
Stskeeps	:P	12:06
Stskeeps	basically same license, so	12:06
macoute	yeah, i remembered incorrectly	12:07
macoute	theres no mention of BSD in BSD license either :)	12:07
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johnx	Stskeeps, yes, the BSD license sounds fine	12:08
Stskeeps	johnx: goodie	12:08
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johnx	Stskeeps, the debian.org trademark page seems to have the answer: We allow all businesses to make reasonable use of the "Debian" trademark.	12:09
johnx	more here: http://www.debian.org/trademark	12:09
johnx	so it seems like we're fine	12:09
macoute	it doesnt	12:10
macoute	i was reading the same page	12:10
macoute	Licensing is necessary any time anyone creates a company, product or set of services, certification program, or even a separate free software project that wants use the DEBIAN mark as part of its name.	12:10
macoute	so you are using debian in the name?	12:10
macoute	hmm, this is not the same page im reading, this is a draft. maybe that has changed?	12:11
johnx	I figured we were covered since it said it was ok to make a CD and call it Debian	12:11
johnx	the page I linked is the current policy	12:11
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Stskeeps	nod	12:12
macoute	johnx: it is ok to make a cd and call it debian if IT IS A debian :)	12:12
Stskeeps	it is a debian, really	12:12
Stskeeps	with packages on top	12:12
Stskeeps	:P	12:12
macoute	but if you modify it it is not ok	12:12
Stskeeps	we don't touch any of the base packages	12:12
macoute	http://wiki.mako.cc/TrademarkFreedom	12:12
macoute	this is the draft (which is linked on johnx's pasted site)	12:13
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macoute	the copyright is not ready yet, though already registered	12:13
Stskeeps	if there starts being problems it'll be a matter of sedding and renaming :P	12:13
macoute	thats true too :)	12:14
Stskeeps	we don't use it in our domain name, for instance	12:14
johnx	and we do use their debootstrap	12:14
Stskeeps	and i kinda don't want another fight with debian-legal	12:14
Stskeeps	that was a fun time.	12:14
macoute	but id ask from debian, as thats a way to give some credit for debian too	12:14
macoute	and im pretty sure they would allow the use of debian name	12:15
macoute	if asked	12:15
Stskeeps	we'd just call it "Debbie NITs"	12:15
Stskeeps	:P	12:15
macoute	as the main goal for the debian copyright is to be as free as possible, only to protect debian trademark from any harm done	12:15
johnx	let's call it good for now. :)	12:16
Stskeeps	hehe	12:16
macoute	:)	12:16
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hrw	morning	12:16
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johnx	rm_you, awesome sauce!	12:29
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johnx	rm_you, yeah, lighting is definitely the key	12:32
johnx	it's finding codes but no successful lookups yet	12:33
johnx	just "unknown unknown"	12:33
johnx	that's not entirely surprising though...	12:33
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jott	johnx: yeah the db is a bit us/uk specific	12:38
johnx	heh	12:38
johnx	I got one of them to send me an SQL error	12:38
johnx	I like the idea of running buffer overflow exploits on barcode readers :)	12:39
jott	haha	12:39
jott	ean14 would cause alot of buffer overflows in my code :)	12:39
johnx	the barcode in question is: 4988602135084	12:40
XTLi	Next step: rfid	12:40
Khertan_TheReal	johnx > lol this could be fun :)	12:40
Khertan_TheReal	maybe we can look to integrate an exploit	12:40
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Khertan_TheReal	with simple command line ... rm -rf :)	12:41
jott	johnx: you can submit codes at upcdatabase.com so the next db contains your items ;)	12:42
johnx	I'd like to see a "search for this string with google"	12:43
Khertan_TheReal	does tabletschool don't accept any comment ? or just mine ?	12:43
Khertan_TheReal	johnx > add to mcalendar this event ... could be cool too :)	12:44
johnx	Khertan_TheReal, does mcalendar listen for dbus messages?	12:44
Khertan_TheReal	no :)	12:45
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Khertan_TheReal	maybe i should implement it	12:45
Khertan_TheReal	this could not be very hard ...	12:45
Khertan_TheReal	specially in python	12:45
Khertan_TheReal	but at this time i don't see any interest ... :)	12:45
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rm_you	johnx: if we get datamatrix working, we can do that	12:48
rm_you	encode urls / arbitrary text into barcodes	12:48
rm_you	will be awesome	12:48
rm_you	can make links as barcodes and print them and stick them to thing	12:48
rm_you	and scan them with n800 :P	12:48
rm_you	or just display text as barcodes on our n800 and have other n800s scan them :P	12:49
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Khertan_TheReal	rm_you > with the webcam ?	12:57
rm_you	yes	12:57
Khertan_TheReal	someone have try ubuntu ume first release ? do u know what pim they use ?	12:58
lcuk	~lart tosspot cow orkers	12:58
* infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on tosspot cow orkers		12:58
lcuk	~lart tosspot cow orkers	12:58
* rm_you kills the tauren orkers		12:58
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rm_you	johnx: SQL errors are normal I think? it means the resultset was zero rows... i think. maybe.	12:59
rm_you	<_<	13:00
rm_you	i should go back and read my own code	13:00
lcuk	i have such a stream of not very nice language i could spout towards a certain individual :)	13:00
johnx	rm_you, ok	13:00
johnx	just sayin'	13:00
rm_you	:P	13:00
rm_you	try scanning some of these on the screen	13:00
rm_you	http://www.upcdatabase.com/random_item.asp	13:00
lcuk	nooooo, the random item is not very worksafe	13:01
rm_you	lol	13:01
rm_you	better that way :P	13:01
rm_you	i can redirect any blame, and laugh :P	13:01
rm_you	it was random!	13:01
rm_you	lcuk: well, it is working nicely for anything in the database	13:02
rm_you	now to work on amazon scraping later	13:02
lcuk	mind you, i think cow orker needs 00282387217 shoving up his backside	13:02
rm_you	in a few days	13:02
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lcuk	i hope to god thats a valid code and that its big and uncomfortable	13:02
rm_you	lol	13:03
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rm_you	he might need some 0716770019486	13:04
* lcuk has a song about said worker but would be booted off freenode for singing it in channel :)		13:05
crashanddie	oi	13:05
lcuk	lol i havent got the code lookup here	13:05
lcuk	not you crashanddie :)	13:05
rm_you	to go with his 0033171203994	13:06
rm_you	:P	13:06
crashanddie	how y'all doing ?	13:06
crashanddie	lcuk, implementing file transfer	13:06
rm_you	lcuk: get your video client/server in testing yet? :P	13:06
rm_you	that should be fun to test	13:06
lcuk	i was havin a great mornin until warshat for brains got in my way	13:06
crashanddie	$ ./sw_client -h 192.168.0.20 -p 32001 -l whatismyip.com	13:07
crashanddie	:D	13:07
lcuk	crashanddie, :) excelleent	13:07
rm_you	lol?	13:07
lcuk	rm_you, :) yes, it will be fun	13:07
* lcuk will finish the protocol and server tonight - theres more than just raw images required		13:08
rm_you	this item concerns me: 0022333462782	13:08
* lcuk still doesnt know how to create accounts and have security		13:08
lcuk	i dont want someone spoofing rm_you with a live goatse	13:08
rm_you	lol	13:09
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rm_you	lcuk: i think you should divert your attention briefly to the datamatrix code :P	13:10
crashanddie	where should I store temp files on the NIT ?	13:10
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rm_you	lcuk: or maybe after you finish that :P	13:10
lcuk	/tmp	13:10
rm_you	crashanddie: /tmp/ ? :P	13:10
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lcuk	rm_you, square barcodes will get attention from me when i see them in more places than the internet	13:10
rm_you	lcuk: lol	13:11
rm_you	QR is all over the place in japan	13:11
rm_you	but	13:11
rm_you	datamatrix is useful for other things	13:11
lcuk	am i in japan?	13:11
rm_you	datamatrix is useful for US to PLAY WITH! :P	13:11
* lcuk might be actually		13:11
rm_you	and it is so close	13:11
lcuk	then get it working, its your baby	13:11
johnx	lcuk, you could be ... if ... the Price is Riiiight!	13:11
crashanddie	there's not enough space on /tmp	13:11
rm_you	i bet you could make datamatrix support work in less than 30 minutes	13:11
rm_you	I am not into imaging, i have no idea what is going on	13:12
lcuk	crashanddie, use ummmm /var then - aint that for files like that	13:12
rm_you	or C internal structures >_>	13:12
rm_you	crashanddie: /media/mmc1/ ?	13:12
rm_you	crashanddie: /media/mmc2/ ?	13:12
lcuk	or c code	13:12
lcuk	or c compilaiton	13:12
rm_you	lol	13:12
rm_you	I can do the compilation mostly :P	13:12
lcuk	lets face it, if c was like php or python you would be happy wouldnt ya :P	13:12
rm_you	the more I use C the more I hate it	13:12
rm_you	but yes.	13:13
XTLi	/Var/tmp is non-ephemeral tmp usually	13:13
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lcuk	crashanddie, you already have your own branch /var/crash	13:14
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lcuk	but you really want /var/cache	13:14
lcuk	or direct to destination	13:14
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rm_you	bbl, sleep :P	13:15
lcuk	cya later	13:15
crashanddie	in other news	13:15
crashanddie	my skin is peeling off	13:15
johnx	what exciting news	13:15
lcuk	ewww gross	13:15
johnx	crashanddie, that's what you get for being out under the terrifying day star	13:16
MangoFusion	too much information	13:16
XTLi	Join the club	13:16
glezos	Hi all. This was probably brought up a number of times, but here it goes: My n810 doesn't turn on (even with fridge technique). Flashing sequence is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found" (no usb hub). Tried some alternative switches to the command-line, but no luck. Any advices?	13:16
lcuk	forget the command line: does it turn on normally?	13:16
johnx	glezos, well the good news is the freezer-hack thing only applies to the n800 as far as I know	13:17
lcuk	you are confuddling 2 different things	13:17
lcuk	and putting it in the fridge cant help that much can it? unless proximity to the milk helps	13:17
glezos	lcuk: no, it doesn't	13:17
XTLi	If it doesn't turn on at all, the flasher isn't going to get anywhere :)	13:17
lcuk	then RMA it and let nokia help	13:17
johnx	lcuk, it was a specific issue related to some timing issue with the n800 AFAIK	13:17
lcuk	the device was released less than a year ago, you have warranty	13:17
lcuk	this is 810 though	13:18
glezos	XTLi: yeah, I figured that out. It was working properly before GUADEC, and when it was turned off, it never came alive again.	13:18
lcuk	try a replacement battery	13:18
glezos	lcuk: will do that.	13:18
lcuk	but i think fridges and voodoo magic wont help	13:19
XTLi	Does it react in any way when the charger is plugged in?	13:19
lcuk	a little voice inside the 810 goes "owwwww, warm that bloody thing up before you stick it in there"	13:20
XTLi	You can try the battery but there's propably not much else to do	13:20
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lcuk	"theyr gonna make me go to recall, i said no no no"	13:21
* ccooke wonders what a sprint review is		13:21
glezos	XTLi: yes, the screen flashes a few times with "NOKIA" on it	13:22
Khertan_TheReal	n810 has two years warranty	13:22
glezos	This thread shows it might also be a charger problem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20696	13:22
Khertan_TheReal	glezos > are u sure that you are using the right command line for flashing it ?	13:23
glezos	Khertan_TheReal: yeah, I don't think it's a flashing issue though.	13:23
lcuk	glezos, ok, you say it DOES turn on but doesnt boot up properly and goes off again almost immediately	13:24
glezos	lcuk: right.	13:25
lcuk	which is of course different to it wont turn on at all	13:25
glezos	ok, sorry	13:25
glezos	lost in translation. :)	13:25
Khertan_TheReal	do u see the screen with two hands ?	13:25
lcuk	deffo try to get a different fully charged battery or try an alternative nokia charger	13:25
glezos	Khertan_TheReal: no	13:26
glezos	lcuk: yeah, that's what i was thinking as well.	13:26
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glezos	thank you guys	13:28
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MangoFusion	muhahaha. now i can build apps which work on my Jailbroken iPod 2.0... for free.	13:41
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MangoFusion	actually, now i don't have a clue what to make so it's pretty much useless	13:41
MangoFusion	oh well	13:41
MangoFusion	back to m NIT ;)	13:41
XTLi	You can ping localhost	13:42
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sp3000	but can you telnet to 80?	13:44
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GAN800	I guess I should put the wiki url in the title, but it's so long. . . .	13:54
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Jaffa	GAN800: for this evening's meeting?	13:57
GAN800	Yeah	13:59
GAN800	Since people don't know how to google 'maemo sprint'	13:59
RST38h	yawn	14:01
*** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint review @ 1900 UTC 7/22 in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 \| Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest \| logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ \| http://mxr.maemo.org"		14:02
*** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Sprint review today @ 1900 UTC in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 \| bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 \| Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest \| logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ \| http://mxr.maemo.org"		14:03
GeneralAntilles	2 "Thanks!" from 1,000	14:03
GeneralAntilles	Then I can finally rest.	14:04
XTLi	Oh, it's tonight already	14:04
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, that title is a bit short, care to make it a bit longer?	14:05
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XTLi	You mean topic?	14:06
lcuk	you say potato	14:06
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk, how does "Sprint review today @ 1900 UTC in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 \| bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 \| Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest \| logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| lcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksu	14:07
lcuk	coool, thanks GeneralAntilles, ill remember that	14:07
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GeneralAntilles	Ahaha. This is so what my hair looks like right now (just having gotten out of bed): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Karadic_mainpage.jpg	14:08
lcuk	also known as "Pili trianguli et canaliculi"	14:09
Khertan_TheReal	someone have tryed the first Ubuntu UME Release ? and see what pim they use ?	14:13
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crashanddie	lcuk, file transfer completed	14:15
lcuk	it took since last night to transfer 1 tiny file :P	14:16
lcuk	people arent gonna accept that	14:16
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crashanddie	lcuk, shove it	14:17
lcuk	i gather this is the windows pusher and a maemo daemon?	14:17
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crashanddie	linux pusher	14:17
crashanddie	I don't care about windows	14:17
jott	yawn	14:18
lcuk	mornin jott	14:18
jott	ah right maemo meeting	14:18
lcuk	cool though	14:18
crashanddie	lcuk, I'm really keeping the protocol extremely minimal	14:18
Stskeeps	Khertan_TheReal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ApplicationsOverview#mobile-applications-pimp	14:18
lcuk	"Here, have a file"	14:18
lcuk	does the desktop pusher get to choose any kind of location (like push to mmc or push to docs or push to favs?	14:19
crashanddie	lcuk, unsigned int for transfer type (link or file), unsigned int for link/file size, content	14:19
crashanddie	lcuk, not in this version, I'm doing everything on a temp file	14:19
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jott	crashanddie: cat file.txt \| netcat -p 1911 foo ? ;)	14:19
eikke	anyone knows whether Quim hangs out on irc sometimes?	14:20
crashanddie	eikke, sometimes	14:20
jott	eikke: he rushes in here from time to time	14:20
lcuk	eikke, yes he does but usually only when required.	14:20
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crashanddie	jott, yeah, that's about it	14:20
eikke	ok, thanks	14:20
lcuk	hes like a superhero, dashing from scene to scene	14:20
jott	and he will attend to the maemo meeting today i guess	14:20
crashanddie	jott, wouldn't cat struggle on binary files though ?	14:20
lcuk	speaking of superheros - jott are you gonna wear your costume at the summit? :P	14:21
jott	crashanddie: why should it?	14:21
crashanddie	jott, dunno, just had that feeling	14:21
* lcuk passes magic,content4cc,contentsize,contentdata		14:22
jott	crashanddie: there are arguments to break stuff, thats right ;)	14:22
crashanddie	heh	14:22
* lcuk randomly modifies cow orkers files		14:22
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* hrw plays with qemu		14:24
crashanddie	lol	14:24
crashanddie	I just got the "cow orkers" joke	14:25
* crashanddie goes into hiding		14:25
hrw	crashanddie: sent?	14:25
crashanddie	hrw, wanted to ask a question, cover letter, yes or no ?	14:25
crashanddie	hrw, and if yes, whom should I address it to ?	14:25
* GeneralAntilles hopes the meeting is done in less than 4 hours.		14:26
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lcuk	lol GeneralAntilles you dont have to stay for everything	14:28
jott	but he wants to have the last word ;p	14:28
GeneralAntilles	Gotta be here for the bugzilla meeting	14:28
GeneralAntilles	. . . and jott's thing. :D	14:29
GeneralAntilles	Dark Knight in IMAX at 7:15	14:29
GeneralAntilles	I'm excited.	14:29
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, at the end	14:29
jott	screw those *!# german cinemas, way too long to wait for this movie...	14:30
jott	best of all - they probably take this long to make a horrible dub	14:30
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, there's the thing with the guy and the dude	14:30
GeneralAntilles	Batman dies.	14:30
hrw	with small child I do not remeber when last time I was in cinema	14:30
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aquatix	GeneralAntilles: aw, you spoiled it	14:31
GeneralAntilles	hrw, what, no kid's movies?	14:31
jott	baby movie ;p	14:31
crashanddie	aquatix, go watch it, no matter how many spoilers you've seen/heard	14:31
hrw	GeneralAntilles: #define small "less then year"	14:31
Khertan_TheReal	Stskeeps > so ... there is nothing done yet ... it s still in specifications process	14:31
aquatix	crashanddie: surprisingly, i read surprisingly few	14:31
GeneralAntilles	Ah, right.	14:32
crashanddie	hrw, then you probably haven't seen a movie in about a year ?	14:32
aquatix	crashanddie: yeah, i should watch it i guess	14:32
crashanddie	aquatix, heath is amazing	14:32
GeneralAntilles	I manage to avoid spoilers for movies pretty well, actually.	14:32
crashanddie	hrw, answer to the questions above ?	14:32
crashanddie	GA surfs the web with his eyes closed	14:33
GeneralAntilles	hrw, when are you going to do battle with fanoush's kid? ;)	14:33
GeneralAntilles	My computer summarizes everything I might want to read "Not a spoiler. Not a spoiler. Spoiler. Not a spoiler."	14:34
Stskeeps	Khertan_TheReal: some stuff is done	14:34
GeneralAntilles	Did you guys read that "Not a spoiler" on slashdot yesterday? It was pretty interesting stuff. :D	14:34
Stskeeps	anyone has some swf emulating a iphone interface or some "flash based UI"?	14:34
hrw	crashanddie: last was February I think - when wife and daughter were in hospital. 'Jumper' was the movie	14:34
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hrw	hi mgedmin	14:35
mgedmin	hi	14:35
crashanddie	hrw, ha... in fact I was referring to the other questions :D should I send a cover letter, and if so, who will read it ?	14:35
hrw	GeneralAntilles: ?	14:35
Khertan_TheReal	Stskeeps > yes i m talking about pim apps	14:36
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: which of the 12? ;)	14:36
hrw	crashanddie: someone in company will read. you can be 100% sure that it wont be me	14:36
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GeneralAntilles	hrw, doing battle with fanoush's kid or my lame not-a-spoiler joke?	14:36
hrw	battle GeneralAntilles	14:36
Khertan_TheReal	Stskeeps > there is iphone's like keyboard in edje ... but don't know about it in swf	14:36
crashanddie	hrw, fair enough	14:37
GeneralAntilles	hrw, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203891#post203891	14:37
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X-Fade	http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008072100135NWEM	14:44
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GeneralAntilles	lol @ comments: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/wikipedia-tries-approval-system-to-reduce-vandalism-on-pages/	14:51
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Italodance	straNGE! i changed some skins for my xmms but the device memory is full now! (from 11 mb empty)	14:59
smyows	Helo	14:59
Italodance	i rebooted it but didn't changed	15:00
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smyows	My usb hub powered is not recognized ;/	15:01
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Italodance	smyows what's ur app?	15:01
smyows	To os2009 usb support must be impuved	15:01
Italodance	usb control?	15:01
smyows	Yep	15:01
Italodance	HUH!	15:02
Italodance	try host and other parts too	15:02
smyows	Is recognized but somtimes is, somtimes not	15:02
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GeneralAntilles	smyows, there's a whitelist	15:02
GeneralAntilles	It may not be on it.	15:02
smyows	Only in host works so so	15:02
GeneralAntilles	and there wont be an "OS2009"	15:02
smyows	If i compile another kernel on sbox my hub and another usb devices works?	15:03
smyows	Sorry my bad english	15:04
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* Jaffa sighs at the "Update to repositories" thread on ITT		15:06
GeneralAntilles	Ha	15:06
GeneralAntilles	It like a whole 'nother world of insanity that I can't get my head around.	15:07
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Italodance	my xmms can't play songs! :(	15:07
GeneralAntilles	The most basic assumptions are so totally flawed that I'm not even sure where to begin trying to explain.	15:08
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Italodance	GeneralAntilles do u have a job?	15:09
GeneralAntilles	I'm in school	15:10
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Italodance	oh	15:10
Italodance	u are always 24/hour here for talk!	15:10
GeneralAntilles	Not really.	15:10
GeneralAntilles	I just keep odd hours so it appears that way	15:10
Italodance	ok! :D	15:11
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* GeneralAntilles notices new Nokia names in Bugzilla.		15:15
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GeneralAntilles	andre__, gogogogogo! ;)	15:15
RST38h	ga: what school?	15:15
andre__	heh	15:15
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Where?	15:15
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, http://fsu.edu/	15:16
RST38h	ga: cs?=)	15:17
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, don't have any particular bug numbers in mind.	15:17
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, yes.	15:17
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mouser-	I'm finally on Diablo, and seem to have the poor battery life bug as well.	15:24
mouser-	It was fully charged yesterday morning and has mostly been in offline mode the entire day and night. This morning, it was dead.	15:25
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mikkov_	which desktop applets are you using?	15:30
Khertan_TheReal	mouser- > what is installed on it ?	15:30
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RST38h	How come updated canola plugins are in diablo extras but canola itself is not?	15:38
GeneralAntilles	It's in Extras-devel	15:40
GeneralAntilles	They're finishing up testing, I think.	15:40
GeneralAntilles	I would've waited until Canola was there before promoting the plugins, myself, though.	15:40
GeneralAntilles	As it just leads to dependency issues.	15:40
Jaffa	The world is full of nonsense.	15:42
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RST38h	its weird because you cant use plugins from extras without canola from extras devel	15:43
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RST38h	also looks like personal menu package is broken and mc package has got a problem with ncurses dependency	15:44
Khertan_TheReal	and onboard user can't still upload package to extras-devel ... but it s an other story	15:45
Khertan_TheReal	:)	15:45
RST38h	khertan: I talked to canola guys	15:45
steri	anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn	15:45
steri	anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn't work :S I can connect it locally but not from remote pc	15:46
Khertan_TheReal	i know ... :)	15:46
RST38h	khertan: looks like you can dput to extras non-free	15:46
Khertan_TheReal	no no no ...	15:46
Khertan_TheReal	;)	15:46
Khertan_TheReal	it s a free package ...	15:46
Khertan_TheReal	so really ? i can directly upload to non free with scp ?	15:46
XTLi	It would be nice if you could set some pinning priorities in appman	15:47
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, why can't you upload from device?	15:47
Jaffa	Khertan_TheReal: why can't you upload a package to extras-devel from a device? It's just scp. Did you mean you can't build a source package yet cos you've not worked out how, did you mean you can't sign a package on the device because of no debsign/gnupg, or did you mean you can't generate a key on the device to sign with?	15:47
Khertan_TheReal	GeneralAntilles > dpkg-buildpackage don't work	15:47
XTLi	Almost makes me want to pin by hand as repos pile up	15:47
Khertan_TheReal	Jaffa > gnupg is available	15:47
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Khertan_TheReal	i can up ... i can do it with chinook repository with pypackager	15:47
Jaffa	Khertan_TheReal: I know. I was asking you why you think you can't upload to extras-devel.	15:48
Khertan_TheReal	but as source can't be rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage	15:48
Khertan_TheReal	as it s not standart debian source	15:48
Jaffa	Right, so it's nothing to do with the device. It's a limitation in PyPackager - that's different.	15:48
Khertan_TheReal	and can't do it onboard as dpkg-buildpackage failed with a 'sh: bad signal 's''	15:49
RST38h	Jaffa: he cant create a source package on the device	15:49
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GeneralAntilles	XTLi, use fewer repos.	15:49
Khertan_TheReal	Jaffa > yes the dev of pypackager sucks ! his application can't do real debian packages !	15:49
RST38h	Jaffa: pypackager or not, he is still screwed, unfortunately	15:49
Khertan_TheReal	:)	15:49
Jaffa	RST38h: there's no reason one can't, though. It's a tarball with a debian/rules file and a .dsc.	15:49
Khertan_TheReal	Jaffa > yes ... just some rules ...	15:49
Jaffa	RST38h: or am I missing something	15:50
RST38h	Khertan: maybe you should just extend pypackager :)	15:50
Khertan_TheReal	but i m not funny enought to build rules by hand	15:50
RST38h	Jaffa: it is not a plain tarball afaik, but close enough	15:50
Khertan_TheReal	RST38h > it s what i m trying to do by trying to install dpkg-buildpackage	15:50
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jott	Khertan_TheReal: the bad signal stuff is easy to fix..	15:51
Khertan_TheReal	jott > really ?	15:51
Khertan_TheReal	how ?	15:51
jott	its a "kill" argument in one of the dh_ scripts	15:51
Jaffa	debian/rules is a trivial Makefile which has to support about 4 targets. A script to create such a file should be relatively straightforward given a tree of stuff.	15:52
Khertan_TheReal	jott ... yes ... one :)	15:52
Jaffa	All the dh_* stuff is to help people, but it's not essential.	15:52
* RST38h does have a cut down rules file		15:52
Khertan_TheReal	Jaffa > yes i know	15:52
jott	Khertan_TheReal: i am not at home atm..	15:53
jott	i cant remember on top of my head :/	15:53
RST38h	unfortunately it is not clear which rules are safe to kework	15:53
jott	but it was fairly straight forward to see where it stops	15:53
Jaffa	RST38h: if you control the structure of your project, you're probably best building it up from scratch; especially if it's Python based.	15:53
GeneralAntilles	Woo, more super-sized monospace HTML email spam on -users!	15:54
RST38h	mine is c	15:54
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Khertan_TheReal	GeneralAntilles > configure your server ... mine filter html email :)	15:54
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Jaffa	RST38h: autoconf-based?	15:54
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, gmail webmail at the moment	15:55
jott	Khertan_TheReal: and it's just a s/-s FOO/-FOO/	15:55
jott	as busybox kill does not understand -s SIGNAL	15:55
Khertan_TheReal	jott > thx i ll try to look	15:55
Khertan_TheReal	GeneralAntilles > gmail can read mail on other server ... :)	15:55
GeneralAntilles	Well, at least he's polite: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/022035.html	15:55
mouser-	Khertan_TheReal: None that I didn't use before. The gpe PIM summary, rss reader (with autoscroll disabled) and another one	15:55
Khertan_TheReal	hum ... and the other one is ?	15:56
RST38h	but I do control it myself because deb packaging is just a kludge on top of existing project	15:56
RST38h	Jaffa: no autoconf. no automake.	15:56
RST38h	compiles just fine without them	15:57
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Khertan_TheReal	more i understand how debian package work and are built more i found this too much complicated...	15:58
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Khertan_TheReal	and i m surprised that there is so many applications packaged ... :)	15:59
RST38h	Khertan: so is a lot of things designed by people who just like designing stuff	15:59
aquatix	lots of maintainers ;)	15:59
hrw	Khertan_TheReal: debian packaging is easy.	15:59
hrw	Khertan_TheReal: building for maemo is less due to scratchbox and lack of native building	16:00
RST38h	building for maemo is dead easy with sb2	16:00
jott	actually building debian packages in scratchbox is fairly easy too .. ;)	16:00
XTLi	From the pkg front, yes	16:01
XTLi	Maybe even easier than building on the system you actually use	16:01
RST38h	sb1 does suck though especially if you use autoconf as maemo tutorials suggest	16:01
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XTLi	Pull in deps as you need etc	16:02
hrw	RST38h: tutorials...	16:02
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RST38h	there is exactly one tutorial (hello world) that shows building without autoconf	16:02
XTLi	But sw dev/port itself might have some extra trickiness	16:02
* jott never had real problems with scratchbox, just with gcc 3.4.4...		16:02
hrw	I would like to see clean tutorials, not that 'how to port glade based app to hildon'	16:03
XTLi	Horror	16:03
RST38h	a lot of people miss it though and go for maemopad example	16:03
hrw	and I would like to get normal sdk instead of scratchbox	16:03
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hrw	with normal cross-compiler + libs/headers	16:04
hrw	just like Poky does	16:04
RST38h	true	16:04
RST38h	sb2 is close to that though	16:04
RST38h	prepend everything with sb2 and forget that you are not building natively	16:05
hrw	I do not want to use "sb2 something" but just something	16:05
smyows	Exist config.gz on maemo kernel?	16:05
hrw	sb2 ls	16:05
RST38h	I understand	16:05
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RST38h	but this you can avoid with aliases and a few makefile rules	16:05
hrw	"sb2 cd source;sb2 vi configure.ac;sb2 ./configure --options-misc;sb2 make"?	16:05
johnx	you only need to run sb2 in front of ./configure and make in that example, IIRC	16:06
mgedmin	I'd do the vi without sb2	16:06
mgedmin	and I doubt it will work with cd	16:06
mgedmin	can you sb2 apt-get install anything these days?	16:06
RST38h	hrw: sb2 sh :)	16:06
mgedmin	iirc it used not to work	16:06
hrw	RST38h: and "sb2 sb2 sh"	16:06
RST38h	I think apt-get works	16:07
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RST38h	hrw: wont work	16:07
mikkov_	maemo.org is down?	16:07
hrw	RST38h: why? you just told me 'prepend everything with sb2' ;(	16:07
RST38h	not clear why you would want to run apt-get though	16:07
RST38h	hrw: but NOT twice:)	16:07
jott	RST38h: apt-get install foo-dev	16:08
mikkov_	just working slower than life, i guess	16:08
RST38h	jott: ok, valid	16:08
jott	mikkov_: get used to it ;)	16:08
hrw	RST38h: "apt-get upgrade" to get chinook->diablo	16:08
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RST38h	hrw: I do not think sb2 guys have diablo rootstrap yet	16:09
hrw	RST38h: in normal world rootfs can be built from packages...	16:10
RST38h	Well, we are in the Nokia world	16:10
RST38h	so be thankful it is not s60	16:10
jott	hah	16:10
hrw	with s60 situation is more clear - platform is closed	16:11
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jott	well lgpl implies closed platforms too..	16:12
* jott stabs closed platforms		16:13
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RST38h	maemo is not open either	16:15
RST38h	and you should get used to the fact that no established company will make its platform open in Gpl sense	16:16
RST38h	they aint stupid	16:16
* Khertan_TheReal is thinking of option he have : making his own repository (--) / fix pypackager and be able to upload new package in december, mean that mCalendar ll not be updated during this time (----) / made his own application manager/updater with his own packaging system (can be build in one month) but problem with .deb package depandancies (---)		16:19
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RST38h	I would go with #2	16:19
RST38h	although #1 sounds tempting	16:19
Khertan_TheReal	any other option ?	16:20
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johnx	ask someone else to make a package for mcalendar?	16:20
Khertan_TheReal	johnx > :)	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	and pygtkeditor	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	and homeip	16:21
johnx	aren't python apps pretty simple to package?	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	and homethings*	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	there are ... when dpkg-buildpackage can be installed	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	:)	16:21
smyows	It[ is possible to use the make menuconfig on sbox?	16:21
jott	just make dpkg-buildpackage work ;)	16:21
Khertan_TheReal	hum...	16:21
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johnx	Khertan_TheReal, why can't you use scratchbox at all?	16:22
mikkov_	btw are python-hildondesktop and hildondesktop-python-loader nokia supported?	16:22
johnx	smyows, yes, with a little hack. google should give you the answer	16:22
jott	or get rid of busybox on maemo ;)	16:22
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Khertan_TheReal	johnx > because it s not available on n810 :)	16:22
smyows	johnx: thx	16:22
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johnx	Khertan_TheReal, and you don't have an x86 computer at all?	16:22
smyows	johnx: and the kernel os2008 configuration?	16:22
Khertan_TheReal	Jott > i ve tryed replace busybox ... and the result was to flash my tablet :)	16:23
blafasel	Quick survey: I'm (in my day job) mostly a java/.net guy. Are there _any_ mono applications for the devices so far? Otherwise I'd probably go for vala, but.. The docs were rather sparse last time I checked.	16:23
jott	make it proper rolleyes :P	16:23
johnx	smyows, google kernel compile site:maemo.org	16:23
Khertan_TheReal	johnx > i ve one ... but don't have the time to sit in front of it :)	16:23
Khertan_TheReal	a nice small 4800	16:23
johnx	Khertan_TheReal, ssh	16:23
Khertan_TheReal	+	16:23
smyows	johnx: thx again	16:23
Khertan_TheReal	johnx ... hum ... yes ... i m dumb ...	16:24
hrw	smyows: kernel config is with kernel sources	16:24
Khertan_TheReal	#4 ... ssh it !	16:24
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johnx	my build box is thousands of miles away	16:24
johnx	only a problem when the real owner wants to use it or takes it down for some reason :)	16:24
mgedmin	thousands of miles, what's that in milliseconds of ssh latency?	16:24
johnx	mgedmin, slightly painful	16:24
johnx	workable though	16:25
Khertan_TheReal	this ll be slow with data connection ...	16:25
Khertan_TheReal	but ... just to use dpkg-buildpackage ... this could be a solution ...	16:25
mgedmin	vi rules on slow connections	16:25
johnx	Khertan_TheReal, use rsync to only push changes	16:25
Khertan_TheReal	rsync ... is the way that i ve scratched my work last time ... :)	16:26
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Khertan_TheReal	but there is a gui for maemo now ... :)	16:26
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Khertan_TheReal	inverted src / dst :)	16:26
johnx	ick	16:26
johnx	tar is the one that messes with me O_o	16:26
johnx	it's hilarious when you accidentally concatenate your mp3s :)	16:26
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* jott hands Khertan_TheReal a --dry-run		16:27
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Khertan_TheReal	http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb	16:28
Khertan_TheReal	a great module for python :)	16:28
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Italodance	who has xmms here?	16:33
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Khertan_TheReal	hum ... i m just discovered scribes... a great apps !	16:39
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smyows	I use n800_defconfig or nokia_2420_defconfig for n800 os2008?	16:50
anddam	hello	16:51
Stskeeps	smyows: think guide says nokia_2420_defconfig	16:51
Italodance	Khertan_TheReal XMMS?	16:52
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smyows	What is the diference about n800 and 2420	16:52
Stskeeps	smyows: one works and the other doesnt :P	16:52
anddam	Italodance: Iran?	16:52
anddam	I was wondering if a N-serie device could be handy as calculator, like using a CAS and a numeric program like octave or scilab	16:53
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anddam	but I wasn't able to figure it out, I searched and found some reference to a request for a "light octave" but nothing of interest. Has anyone tried this?	16:54
jott	anddam: octave works on the n8x0	16:54
jott	so das mathomatic	16:55
jott	and probably alot other open source CAS and numeric programs	16:55
jott	you can also run a TI emulator ;)	16:55
anddam	jott: I was aiming at a 770 due to low price of used items, I see there os2008 HE and I read it is an hybrid between os2006 binaries and os2008 structure	16:55
Italodance	anddam YEs	16:55
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jott	anddam: yeah well, the 770 is slower (in particular due to missing vfp much slower for floating point operations) and has less memory	16:56
anddam	actually I'm already owning and using a TI89 and I was wondering if a more modern device (backlight, wifi, screen, linux with its possibilities) can replace it in doing math	16:56
Khertan_TheReal	Italodance > XMMS ?	16:56
jott	still, most basic stuff should work	16:56
jott	anddam: really depends on what you are aiming at..	16:57
anddam	jott: can you explain me what the difference between HE and standard are?	16:57
jott	i guess solving highly non-linear pdes will not be much fun on a 770 ;)	16:57
Italodance	Khertan_TheReal ok yes XMMS is a great app,agree with u,i like winamp	16:57
Khertan_TheReal	i never said that ... i hate xmms and winamp ...	16:57
Khertan_TheReal	i m talking about scribes	16:57
jott	anddam: HE are hacker editions (not really officially supported)	16:58
jott	but with more modern system components	16:58
Italodance	Khertan_TheReal lol	16:58
anddam	jott: nothing heavy, basic calculations, some matrix elaboration, some graph	16:58
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jott	otoh, if you just want to run some CAS you might be fine with OS2005/06	16:58
anddam	jott: obviously having a full system on background offers much more using some programming language with numeric package	16:58
binky	hi there	16:59
anddam	jott: it's still a thought, I'm getting infos	16:59
anddam	jott: obviously there's the geeky factor too	16:59
binky	jott, are you named after that app?	16:59
jott	hehe i guess so	16:59
jott	binky: no :*	17:00
jott	:(	17:00
binky	lol, ok	17:00
* jott curses jott.com		17:00
binky	THAT was what I meant	17:00
anddam	jott: and card size limit for 770 is 2gb, right?	17:00
jott	anddam: not sure. i never had a 770...	17:01
binky	I believe, but you still can install the fanoush kernel for supporting SDHC	17:01
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anddam	binky: me?	17:01
anddam	ah yes, I see	17:01
binky	sure, you. It's my firs time on IRC and I don't know how to get that little message with the name of the person who is supposed to be sent	17:02
jott	anddam: just try to find out what cas/numeric program you want to use.	17:02
aquatix	binky: just type the name :)	17:02
binky	or you have just to type it?	17:02
binky	ah... I see	17:02
binky	thank you...	17:03
jott	anddam: then we might can tell you if it runs on a n8x0 or 770...	17:03
aquatix	you can type the first few chars and tap <tab> to complete even	17:03
anddam	scilab?	17:03
binky	I'd feel like in terminal then...	17:03
binky	aquatix: cool... thanks	17:03
jott	anddam: hmmm.. might be on the edge i guess..	17:03
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anddam	binky: tab completion precedes the use of the fire	17:04
anddam	jott: I read something didn't work properly, like gnuplot, due to Hildon	17:04
anddam	jott: or better due to the fact that it didn't use Hildon	17:04
jott	anddam: no its a normal x server running, so almost all stuff should "work" without modifications.	17:05
jott	anddam: its just not "integrated"	17:05
jott	(like the default onscreen keyboard can be an issue)	17:05
binky	and... I'd like to ask a thing, maybe the most stupid, but... how the hell do you enlarge the on-screen keyboard?	17:06
* jott has a n810 - no need for an osk :)		17:06
binky	I still with an arcaic 770 :'( [Paypal donations are always appreciated, do I merit it?]	17:07
anddam	jott: oh, how's the hw keyboard feeling?	17:07
jott	there is (for example) xkbd http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65137	17:07
jott	anddam: i like it. but some people don't	17:07
jott	i guess it's how you can get used to it...	17:07
jott	best would be to try it out in a store.	17:08
jott	(though it takes a while to get used to it - so the first impression might be inaccurate)	17:08
anddam	can you type in a medium long text (say a long email) comfortably?	17:08
binky	jott: you know, I'm thinking in porting some apps... but I don't know programmin, what language should I learn? C++? Python? Ruby? Perl? I'd like to have Audacity, Jokosher or Rosegarden	17:08
jott	binky: well i guess python is not that bad for getting started.	17:09
ccooke	binky: Different apps are written in different languages - and not all apps will be suitable on a tablet with limited cpu power	17:10
ccooke	Python is a good start for the libs, but the tutprials aren't very good.	17:10
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binky	I think C++ ftw, because It's structurated and should not be hard to begin. but it's a looong way until i can do something like that	17:11
ccooke	binky: have you already learned to program?	17:11
binky	ccooke: nope.	17:12
anddam	binky: I wonder how useful Rosegarden would be..	17:12
crashanddie	binky, the "what language to start with" is about as old as computers are	17:12
crashanddie	binky, and there isn't a real answer	17:12
jott	i compiled milkytracker for the device.. runs really good ;)	17:12
binky	crashanddie: or "what linux distro do I choose?"	17:12
jott	and has not that high	17:12
ccooke	binky: in that case... hmm. Given the set you mentioned, Ruby is probably the 'easiest' to learn	17:12
jott	"jack" footprint ;)	17:12
ccooke	and it's not a bad choice of first language (few are!)	17:12
crashanddie	binky, my personal opinion would be to start with a not-too-heavily typed language (scraps a few), learn basic concepts, and then step up to a more serious language	17:13
binky	ccooke: Thn	17:13
ccooke	it's also similar enough in syntax to python that you can make the jump easily enough	17:13
crashanddie	(note the fact that I imply that languages which are not typed suck)	17:13
binky	n	17:13
jott	are the ruby hildon bindings still maintained?	17:13
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binky	Sorry, I can't erase... I meant, thank you lol	17:13
sp3000	GeneralAntilles: hum, isn't garage-bugzilla relevant to -developers	17:13
ccooke	jott: They looked to be, when I was looking. They can't be much worse than the python libs documentation-wise, though ;-)	17:14
jott	well gtk documentation in general sucks pretty much ;)	17:14
ccooke	(Much more interesting than 'which language should you start with' is 'Which shouldn't you start with' ;-)	17:14
binky	anddam: as a... sort of musician, (and now, Timidity++ is available) is one of the greatest things we could see in our ITs	17:14
binky	ccooke: that should be easier to answer???	17:15
jott	binky: seen milkytracker? ;)	17:15
ccooke	not so much easier (although a few: COBOL, for instance are easy)... but a lot more fun.	17:15
binky	jott: I'm googling it, but webpage does not load	17:15
ccooke	For instance - I'd say nobody should ever start programming with php or perl :-)	17:16
jott	mh.. indeed	17:16
binky	jott: forget it, I'll look for screenshots	17:16
jott	seems to be down	17:16
jott	yeah images.google to the rescue ;)	17:16
binky	jott: looks great, it does support differents MIDI instruments, doesn't it?	17:17
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jott	binky: actually its a classical tracker with samples	17:17
GAN800	sp3000, website stuff is -community now.	17:18
binky	hm... is it in the garage or do you have a .deb? I'd like to give a try	17:18
jott	binky: so you can load pretty much every sound ;)	17:18
jott	i had a deb....	17:18
GAN800	But, uh, yeah, there's probably some overlap.	17:18
* jott looks under the pillows		17:18
zap	jott: how fast the response is?	17:18
zap	I mean, you press a key, how fast do you hear the sound?	17:18
jott	zap: its quite fast, its optimized for embedded use	17:19
jott	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21653 ah someone else also made a deb	17:19
zap	its not about embedded, it's about N8x0	17:19
binky	Is the greatest thing since PyAno. I could record any sound for make it larger... maybe Ty could just add more keys and add my sounds... is he around here?	17:20
ccooke	zap: the n810 is an embedded architecture still	17:20
sp3000	GAN800: if the developers of the relevant apps aren't involved, I don't see why anyone else should care	17:20
zap	I like the "Zap" button	17:20
jott	i think i made 1-2 changes to have it accept rmb ...	17:20
jott	never tried the deb of pskosis	17:20
jott	psykosis	17:20
GAN800	sp3000, well, at this point most of them are on vacation.	17:20
sp3000	that is, maybe if it's in /really/ early stages it might be useful to limit discussion to the community-enabler-hackers circle	17:20
jott	but it's a nice app	17:21
binky	jott: OS2008 only... I can't try it. My 770 runs OS2006 U-_-	17:21
GAN800	I'm not trying to limit anything, but we're still in the technical planning stages atm.	17:21
jott	binky: should be still worth a try.. it just uses sdl	17:21
sp3000	bugzilla is a developer tool :)	17:22
binky	I'll do, but maybe dependencies will fail	17:22
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jott	yeah --force-all ;p	17:22
jott	there are also some youtube tutorial videos	17:22
jott	(you can even paint a waveform ;)	17:22
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binky	jott: Would be funny hear a loop of me doing "lalalal hey!, lalala hey!..." all the time...r	17:23
Italodance	many guys use load-applet?	17:23
binky	jott: dpkg -i --force-depends would work, no?	17:23
jott	binky: just try it ;)	17:24
jott	really - can't tell you	17:24
sp3000	GAN800: I don't care what box something belongs in, I care that the right people know about what's relevant to them	17:24
GAN800	sp3000, feel free to ping -developers.	17:25
GAN800	I'm not really able to at the moment.	17:25
sp3000	k	17:25
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sp3000	also, if you can't thell, I get a rash whenever something is labelled "community" :)	17:26
sp3000	tell even	17:26
binky	PD: Anyone tried to donwload a large file, and IT says it's donwnloaded in less than a second. then you look, and there is a file with that name and 1 KB?	17:26
GAN800	Well, is maemo2midgard better?	17:26
sp3000	heh ;)	17:26
guenther	binky: checked the files contents?	17:27
guenther	My guess: HTML...	17:27
* GAN800 is knee deep in an eMac mobo replacement.		17:27
binky	yes, it doesn't open. ?	17:27
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guenther	What doesn't open?	17:27
guenther	less $file	17:27
guenther	How can that fail? :)	17:27
jott	fsck ;O	17:28
binky	jott: installed sucesfully	17:28
binky	guenther: I'll give you the exact message, wait	17:28
crashanddie	can I just tell dbus to launch a file, and it will try to open it based on Mime type ?	17:28
binky	COltrane_-_Love_Supreme --- 6 kB. I try to open and says "Imposible Abrir" what means "Impossible To Open"	17:29
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binky	it says is a text/html file	17:30
guenther	Don't double click it.	17:30
jott	crashanddie: dbus is an IPC system not a launcher ...	17:30
guenther	Open it in a text editor.	17:30
guenther	Aha, exactly my guess! :)	17:30
crashanddie	jott, fair enough	17:30
crashanddie	jott, does such a launcher exist ?	17:30
guenther	What was the URL you tried to download?	17:30
binky	somthing from Rapidshare	17:30
guenther	thanks for being as vague as possible, dude...	17:31
crashanddie	he's not vague	17:31
guenther	Complain to Rapidshare.	17:31
crashanddie	binky, I'll bet the HTML file is something as a security check, or a 404 page	17:31
guenther	crashanddie: Yes, he is. I asked for the URL. Not half of the doamin name only.	17:31
binky	guenther: Sorry ^^ It was... searching http://rapidshare.com/files/37812428/Coltrane_-_Love_Supreme.rar Is that what you were looking for?	17:32
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guenther	binky: yes :)	17:32
binky	crashanddie: A minute later, I downloaded it in my computer	17:32
crashanddie	And how #maemo becomes an illegal link sharing service	17:32
binky	crashanddie: I prefer to download directly in my IT, because my 770 won't work with the USB cable	17:33
crashanddie	binky, yeah, but you opened it with your browser on your computer, right ?	17:33
guenther	binky: That is not the file. Despite it's name.	17:33
crashanddie	TATAAAAA	17:33
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guenther	It IS a HTML page, that contains a link to the actual download.	17:33
binky	crashanddie: In record stores in my city there's only crappy pop, when I see something original that is worth, I buy it	17:33
crashanddie	as I said :)	17:33
skibur	:)	17:33
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binky	crashanddie: you are always right	17:34
crashanddie	I know	17:34
crashanddie	but thanks for confirming :)	17:34
binky	guenther: and why it donwloaded the HTML instead of the rar?	17:34
guenther	because you told it to download the file?	17:35
guenther	Just open the link in a browser.	17:35
guenther	Don't mind the extension.	17:35
guenther	It is irrelevant.	17:35
guenther	It is an HTML page. With ads.	17:35
sp3000	GAN800: ook, I pushed the proposal mtg proposal at -dev	17:35
guenther	And the link to the file you actually are after...	17:35
binky	I opened rapidshare in the 770, clicked on Free (^^) waited the period and clicked on download, as usual. I told to download a 75 MBs rar of relaxing jazz =P	17:36
guenther	Good thing is, this channel is logged. And the logs indexed by google...	17:37
jott	crashanddie: there are some, run-mailcap is one of them and kfmclient is for kde, there is most likely something gnome specific..	17:37
guenther	Next time you forgot the link, just ask google for "maemo coltrane". ;-)	17:37
crashanddie	I'm tempted to do ~coltrane is at http://rapidshare...	17:37
jott	crashanddie: gnome-open	17:39
binky	sorry, won't do that again... but you asked me for the link, so...	17:39
crashanddie	jott, just found it :P	17:39
guenther	binky: Heh, I didn't mean to complain.	17:40
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binky	guenther: but is better to complain, I'd never learn then =P	17:41
zap	MilkyTracker rullz	17:42
* zap listens to the Thraddash theme from sc2		17:42
jott	yeah milkytracker is nice ;)	17:42
jott	i also showed it off at the linuxtag maemo booth ;)	17:42
guenther	binky: Not a big deal...	17:43
guenther	google for "the file hoster" instead of maemo... Lot of hits.	17:43
zap	but if you switch away from it, you're f*d :)	17:43
guenther	Just keep in mind that IRC might be logged, before handing out your porn URLs... ;-)	17:44
jott	zap: http://outpo.st/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb use my port	17:44
jott	its integrated ;)	17:44
crashanddie	jott, you don't know of anything like gnome-open on the maemo platform ?	17:44
jott	i made it back in april :P	17:44
zap	it is "hildonized" ? :-)	17:44
zap	jott: why it's not in extras?	17:45
qwerty12	Hildonise an SDL app?	17:45
jott	zap: yes.. atleast it integrates in the task manager	17:45
jott	zap: lazyness ;P	17:45
jott	i could probably push it there	17:45
jott	well when i get home	17:45
binky	guenther: in IRC is called pr0n	17:45
binky	jott: sorry, i installed milky tracker, but not tried it, I forget about...	17:46
guenther	Nah, only by 1337 kiddies and early Mozilla devs.	17:46
jott	binky: no worries, it's up to you to use it or not ;)	17:46
guenther	The GIF and JPEG lib was named libpr0n...	17:46
binky	guenther: we could make pornographic Unix? it could be called Linuxxx. ...Looks like I'm on drugs...	17:48
jott	there is already ascii pron .....	17:48
guenther	hehe	17:48
binky	jott: I click it, but does not boot it does not show "Loading Milkytracker" or anything	17:48
jott	binky: try to run it from the console	17:48
guenther	Use the ao mplayer output... ;)	17:48
jott	binky: and the only milkytracker i tested is the one linked above ;P	17:49
* jott writes a note that he has to push it into extras		17:49
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qwerty12	binky: Give me a copy of that distro plz	17:49
binky	milkytracker: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	17:49
jott	binky: apt-get install libasound2 ?	17:50
qwerty12	Lib asound should already be provided by the os	17:50
binky	qwerty12: here it is www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/	17:50
jott	qwerty12: even os2005/06? :)	17:50
qwerty12	binky: I want my Linuxxx! /me cries	17:51
binky	I was searching my stylus, I had it in my mouth... I feel idiot	17:51
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qwerty12	jott: Good point, never used 2005/06 :)	17:51
* jott neither		17:51
binky	qwerty12 and jott : cool cats with their n8x0s....	17:51
* jott poses around		17:52
binky	with their ports of apps... their thousands of posts....	17:52
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binky	Temporary gailure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' D'oh!	17:53
* qwerty12 feels like ripping apart my only xbox controller and shoving standard usb port on the end so I can connect to my N800. Fanoush has the module in his module pack		17:55
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* aquatix is thinking about using his wiimote for mouse pointer or something		17:55
binky	Bye, I liked so much, this channel, Is my first time with IRC =)	17:55
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aquatix	binky: see you!	17:56
aquatix	meh	17:56
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qwerty12	So who wants to join me in making Linuxxx: Tux Strip edition?	17:58
Khertan_TheReal	huhu ... there is a port of conky	18:00
qwerty12	Tis was a half arsed compile put together by me :P	18:00
Khertan_TheReal	lol ... i see that you have compiled qwerty12	18:01
Khertan_TheReal	arf ... not really surprised :)	18:01
qwerty12	I actually made some improvements on it but it got deleted from my shift from AndLinux to Ubuntu :)	18:01
Khertan_TheReal	this was just for fortune ?	18:02
qwerty12	Nah, I liked the effect on my desktop, and I thought it would be nice on a tablet too	18:02
qwerty12	Shame matchbox is a little dodgy :/	18:02
Khertan_TheReal	?	18:02
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Khertan_TheReal	arg double buffer don't work ?	18:03
qwerty12	I was messing around with a way to get it to draw on the desktop and be movable but matchbox only believes in one window at a time so it drawed it in some ugly white windows	18:04
qwerty12	*window	18:04
qwerty12	Nope :(	18:04
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Khertan_TheReal	hum ...	18:06
Khertan_TheReal	qwerty12 > help your users : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19905&page=5	18:09
Khertan_TheReal	:)	18:09
qwerty12	mrlanrat's website is up again and I did say it had to be installed in red pill mode :P (and no, I'm not shoving user/ in the section)	18:10
* qwerty12 reminisces over that KDE picture and remembers how running KDE in a loopfs sucked.		18:10
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RST38h	moo all	18:11
* qwerty12 cuts RST38h and eats him. He says hi before that though.		18:12
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RST38h	you should cook you meat before eating it	18:13
qwerty12	Vhat iz diz cook u r on about? I eat raw.	18:14
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Debian installer round 2 :P	18:14
RST38h	cannibal!	18:14
GeneralAntilles	Thanks, sp3000!	18:14
* qwerty12 munches on a spare arm lying around		18:14
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RST38h	Somehow, running kde sucked even without loopfs...	18:15
sp3000	it's slightly short notice though ;)	18:15
RST38h	qwerty: arm9 or arm11?	18:15
GeneralAntilles	sp3000, my other hope was that people interested enough would be paying attention to -community, the wiki and the sprints.	18:15
qwerty12	RST38h: arm666	18:15
RST38h	qwerty: and has it got jazelle?=)	18:16
qwerty12	No, it's got flameinferno	18:16
GeneralAntilles	That's the CPU qwerty12 built with 2lbs of assorted resistors.	18:16
RST38h	neural design indeed	18:17
qwerty12	I had some help from my friend and he wanted it named after himself...	18:17
sp3000	GeneralAntilles: dunno what the subscriber base of -community looks like, but I think it's more poeple interested in hacking on the community, less people hacking in the community	18:17
Stskeeps	qwerty12: k, still osso-xterm? i havent looked at it yet :P	18:17
Atarii	anyone here got a 770 with 2006OS?	18:17
GeneralAntilles	OS2006 sucks. :P	18:18
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qwerty12	Stskeeps: I'll head onto KotC's site and grab aterm & xvkbd	18:18
Atarii	indeed GeneralAntilles, but i need to find out what version of xserver it has	18:18
qwerty12	Atarii: Go to the codename folder in the maemo repo's	18:18
Stskeeps	qwerty12: k, looking into it.. my xterm cant even backspace in shell in osso-xterm	18:19
qwerty12	Atarii: For example, for diablo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/x/xorg-server/	18:19
qwerty12	Stskeeps: :)	18:19
Atarii	qwerty12 good idea thanks :p	18:19
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* RST38h wonders if two passes through the same address in code indicate a busy loop wait		18:19
RST38h	given that all registers are the same	18:20
crashanddie	bleh	18:23
crashanddie	libhildonmime's documentation is virtually non-existent	18:24
GeneralAntilles	Woo, 1,000 Thanks!	18:25
* qwerty12 presses remove button and makes it 999 :P		18:26
qwerty12	For about 10 seconds because someone else presses it	18:26
sjgadsby	Hrm. It's time to put real pressure on Reggie for that "No Thanks!" button.	18:28
GeneralAntilles	Then I'll get -1,000	18:28
sjgadsby	In two days.	18:28
GeneralAntilles	First on both ends!	18:28
GeneralAntilles	Woo!	18:28
GeneralAntilles	sjgadsby, I give it 8 hours.	18:28
GeneralAntilles	All the WFTs of the world will come pouring back in.	18:28
Stskeeps	qwerty12: got a six, sec	18:29
Stskeeps	fix	18:29
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qwerty12	Stskeeps: I haven't started yet, i'm installing xvkbd and aterm so I guess I got time :)	18:29
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: svn up when time is of installer	18:30
Stskeeps	it has a backspace fix now, you can test using screen -c template-screenrc	18:30
qwerty12	Great, can I checkout now?	18:30
Stskeeps	yeah, think so	18:31
Stskeeps	test template-screenrc first before installing ;)	18:32
qwerty12	Good, because xvkbd crapped out on me in Diablo >.<	18:32
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Khertan_TheReal	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22141 <<< very funny ...	18:32
Khertan_TheReal	the main problem is still between the chair and the screen ...	18:33
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qwerty12	Their ass?	18:33
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Just out of question, is the first fat partition on the mmc mounted automatically? (I plan on making init script to swapon my .swap file so it's useful to know beforehand :))	18:35
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, I still can't wrap my head around that one.	18:36
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GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, you get dpkg-buildpackage sorted?	18:37
Khertan_TheReal	GeneralAntilles> yes by ssh ...	18:37
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Khertan_TheReal	mainly an temporary solution ...	18:37
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Hmm, fix doesn't seem to be working for me, got another program I can test with except for passwd?	18:38
GeneralAntilles	Ha	18:38
Khertan_TheReal	GeneralAntilles > i ll try a bit more ... with the repository for the sdk	18:38
Khertan_TheReal	but i think i ll brick my n810 again :)	18:38
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GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, bootable backup!	18:40
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: not in debian mounted i think (mmc fat)	18:41
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qwerty12	Ta, I'll get it to mount that at /media/something too :)	18:42
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qwerty12	Stskeeps: Fix doesn't work, I just confirmed it at the mirror selection part. Unless you updated after I checked out :)	18:43
GAN800	Khertan, either that, or find a team of gullable minions with tablets and make them test for you. :P	18:43
GAN800	Nokia can probably tell you all you need to know about that strategy. g	18:44
qwerty12	Ha	18:45
GAN800	qwerty12, how's the XChat with spell check going?	18:45
Stskeeps	qwerty12: blah :/ try with another term then	18:45
qwerty12	GAN800: Made the packages but it won't do it :(. I plan on trying again sometime :/	18:46
GAN800	Think I should file an enhancement request for a global spellcheck framework?	18:46
GeneralAntilles	What do they use on Linux?	18:46
qwerty12	I'd like that :). Could be integrated into hildon-input-method.	18:46
qwerty12	aspell, enchant iirc	18:46
jott	GeneralAntilles: aspell ispell myspell you name it ;)	18:46
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GeneralAntilles	Somebody familiar with Linux spellcheck frameworks should probably file it.	18:47
jott	well i guess it might make more sense to push this on the upstream gtk front ...	18:48
jott	don't know about the situation there..	18:48
lbt	May be of interest: Royal mail are releasing their entire Postcode data for a govt 'competition' not 'free' but.... http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#mail	18:48
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qwerty12	Haha, if address are included, this could make for some good knock down ginger...	18:49
johnx	I think gtk has a spellcheck framework	18:49
johnx	is it just not used on maemo?	18:49
MangoFusion	lbt: app idea: insert post code, provide driving directions.	18:50
MangoFusion	oh wait.. err	18:50
MangoFusion	already done. darn	18:50
MangoFusion	too late	18:50
qwerty12	johnx: gtkspell? I'm sure that's seperate	18:50
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crashanddie	johnx, aspell ?	18:50
lbt	MangoFusion: "public information"	18:50
crashanddie	johnx, at least, I use aspell on my computer	18:50
jott	aspell is generic	18:50
johnx	i dunno, but I seem to have spellchecking in every gtk app that works exactly the same...	18:50
lbt	as in 'free' (or at least, paid for by taxes)	18:50
Stskeeps	qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3071	18:51
johnx	or is it actually a gnome thing?	18:51
jott	there has to be some abstraction/binding to gtk..	18:51
qwerty12	libsexy and gtkspell provides gtk spelling iirc	18:51
johnx	qwerty12, that could be it then. I guess it's just commonly used...	18:51
jott	libsexy from the makers of libpr0n ?	18:51
crashanddie	why is it I always happen to stride across the only libs that are not documented ? Djeezus	18:51
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Hmm. Time for vte/osso-xterm changes me thinks...	18:51
lbt	http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#ons Neigbourhood stats .... N800 screams loudly in high crime areas...	18:51
qwerty12	jott: Hmm, what happens if I LD_PRELOAD libpr0n into my terminal?	18:52
lbt	or keeps up a running commentary on house prices as you pass them...	18:52
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jott	qwerty12: you pervert :P	18:52
qwerty12	What have you got against my second name... :( :P	18:53
Stskeeps	qwerty12: try editing the templ screenrc to have that bind instead if the existing	18:53
lbt	crashanddie: try developing a C++ app for hildon... that'll show you "not documented"	18:53
crashanddie	lbt, thank you, I did, and I thought gtkmm was pretty well documented	18:53
crashanddie	lbt, try to find any kind of info about libhildonmime :P	18:54
lbt	I said hildon....	18:54
lbt	'use the source' crashanddie	18:55
lbt	oh, wait.	18:55
qwerty12	crashanddie: what are you exactly trying to do?	18:55
crashanddie	qwerty12, just trying to find an easy way to load the default app for a given file	18:55
crashanddie	qwerty12, basically, what I want is the behaviour of gnome-open myfile.txt	18:55
MangoFusion	lbt: Nearest hospital... automatic dial-in to arrange an appointment to cure IT addiction	18:56
qwerty12	Arrgh, too much energy drinks. Made me too hyped.	18:56
qwerty12	crashanddie: sounds a bit like that mime-open app	18:56
crashanddie	what mime-open app ?	18:56
qwerty12	http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38021?search_string=mime-open	18:57
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jott	or just run-mailcap :p	18:58
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crashanddie	jott, mailcap is a PITA to configure first	19:01
jott	crashanddie: pfff :P	19:01
jott	whiner :P	19:01
* GeneralAntilles is baffled by this light fixture.		19:01
crashanddie	jott, feck off :P I asked you if there was something like it on maemo, you ignored :P	19:01
jott	i told you run-mailcap :)	19:02
jott	but i guess this mime-open is fine too	19:02
Sargun	What graphics processor does the N810 have in it?	19:03
crashanddie	Sargun, nVidia 9800 Ultra x2 in SLI	19:03
Sargun	funny	19:03
qwerty12	crashanddie: NOW you tell me	19:03
crashanddie	me	19:03
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crashanddie	qwerty12, if you have any idea how to compile that app, I'd love it xD	19:04
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qwerty12	crashanddie: which app? :P. mime-open's already got a deb :)	19:04
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crashanddie	:/	19:04
Stskeeps	qwerty12: any luck?	19:04
qwerty12	Stskeeps: I'm trying again, I shall use the wonders of copy and paste :)	19:05
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Stskeeps	with the change from bugs.maemo in tempÃl screenrc?	19:06
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, do it right.	19:06
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Nah, can't be bothered :)	19:06
Stskeeps	k	19:06
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, ?	19:06
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, hanging myself ?	19:07
GeneralAntilles	That's one option, yes.	19:07
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GeneralAntilles	It'd be more manly i you strangled yourself, though.	19:07
Stskeeps	ill include fix in svn then and hope it works:P	19:07
qwerty12	crashanddie: If you do that, please leave your magic stuff in your will to me	19:07
GeneralAntilles	Somebody want to help my arrive at some sort of consensus here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition ?	19:07
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crashanddie	qwerty12, sadly, mime_open doesn't work :D	19:08
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GeneralAntilles	Is this useful, crashanddie? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194	19:08
qwerty12	crashanddie: >.<, what app are you trying to get to work? maemo gets sprung over dbus quite a bit :/	19:08
crashanddie	qwerty12, I just want to be able to open a god damned file, without caring about which program will open it	19:09
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, no, it's not	19:09
GeneralAntilles	Uh, isn't that exactly what that switchboard thing does, though?	19:09
qwerty12	switchboard wants a list of applications it will open, crashanddie wants the system to figure it out itself	19:10
crashanddie	because it already does...	19:10
GeneralAntilles	lol	19:10
GeneralAntilles	goodluckwiththat	19:10
crashanddie	I mean, when you open a file in File Manager, it knows which program to use, right ?	19:10
GeneralAntilles	Scream at it really loudly.	19:10
GeneralAntilles	I bet that will work.	19:10
qwerty12	crashanddie: It looks up defaults.list iirc	19:11
crashanddie	qwerty12, I think the time-out is too short on mime_open... I get the banner "Images-Loading", but it dies too soon	19:11
qwerty12	Hmm, if you are used to really long dbus-send commands, you can do it with that too...	19:12
johnx	or map all files to being opened with a shell script	19:12
johnx	then throw the logic in the shell script :)	19:12
crashanddie	heh	19:13
crashanddie	I have this open_url which works fine: http://slexy.org/view/s21OAr8ioG	19:13
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crashanddie	heh	19:13
smyows	how to flash my new kernel an my modules into n800?	19:13
crashanddie	when I started out this morning, I thought "how hard can it be ?"	19:13
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johnx	smyows, modules go in initfs, kernel gets flashed with flasher	19:14
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smyows	initfs is read only?	19:14
qwerty12	You can remount rw in diablo	19:15
qwerty12	But it's probably better to shove them in /lib/modules/ etc on the rootfs	19:15
johnx	qwerty12, if he rebuilt all the base modules he probably needs them in initfs, right?	19:16
smyows	hmm	19:16
smyows	my new kernel size is 1676k	19:16
smyows	is bigger to put on n800?	19:16
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qwerty12	johnx: Hmm, depends, for base modules, I would say you are right but for the extra ones, I'd put them in /lib/etc but I don't know what modules he compiled so I'm making assumptions :>	19:17
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johnx	qwerty12, I'm guessing too :)	19:18
johnx	smyows, which is it? base modules or extra modules?	19:18
smyows	so.. my modules is compiled with a new kernel config	19:18
Khertan_n810	bye	19:19
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smyows	make modules_install, have installed the modules into /lib/modules/2.6......	19:19
smyows	in my sbox	19:20
smyows	i ll copy to sd card and put in /lib/modules too?	19:20
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johnx	uhm...you need to have at least the same modules with the same name as those that are in initfs now in initfs	19:21
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smyows	hmm	19:22
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smyows	is possible to reflash kernel into n800?	19:22
johnx	smyows, yes	19:22
smyows	:D cool	19:23
qwerty12	ym, shitty ati, graphics corruption. ctrl+alt+backspace for me :/	19:26
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smyows	i try to move actual modules but is read only fs	19:30
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johnx	smyows, yes it is	19:30
johnx	you need to remount it with rw	19:30
smyows	hmm	19:31
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smyows	umount /dev/root ; mount -o rw /dev/root /mnt/initfs	19:31
smyows	is it?	19:31
qwerty12	hell no	19:31
johnx	heh	19:31
smyows	:P	19:32
qwerty12	dsme will blow your tablet to bits :P	19:32
smyows	dummy is a big problem	19:32
qwerty12	mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs	19:32
smyows	uauhhuau	19:32
qwerty12	(ta hrw)	19:32
smyows	thx	19:32
GeneralAntilles	lol	19:33
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smyows	if my kernel is wrong compiled is possible to reinstall os2008?	19:33
johnx	smyows, of course	19:33
GeneralAntilles	Apple sent me a boilerplate "Here are the fucking support articles you fucking idiot" email in response to my "your stupid 'standards compliant' shit is no such thing"	19:34
smyows	so, let's go	19:34
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qwerty12	flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=initfs,kernel <diablo flash image> or something like that should sort you out if you fcuk up	19:35
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crashanddie	could anyone install http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/mime-open.deb and see if they can open a file ?	19:35
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Blafasel	qwerty12: Having ATI driver issues as well? Hrmpf..	19:36
zfigz	wow, the gps on the n810 seriously sucks	19:36
zfigz	it still takes half a year to find a location	19:36
smyows	qwerty12, my kernel have 1.7m , is bigger to reflash?	19:37
crashanddie	zfigz, have you tried A-GPS ?	19:37
qwerty12	Blafasel: Yeah :(. Run a screensaver and screen starts flickering like crazy. Can't see the enter password prompt and when I do enter it, everything's double and pixelated and I can't see anything. ctrl-alt-backspace made everything normal and of course, the xserver restarted :/	19:37
zfigz	A-GPS didn't seem to work very well/.	19:37
zfigz	It was just a map	19:37
crashanddie	zfigz, did you point at your current location ?	19:37
Blafasel	qwerty12: I know the troubles.. Might even switch soon.	19:38
zfigz	hmm maybe i'll try installing it here again	19:38
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zfigz	i just uninstalled it and it didn't seem to do much	19:38
crashanddie	lol	19:38
crashanddie	"3 different guys told me to use A-GPS, but I can't make it work, so it seriously sucks"	19:38
Blafasel	zfigz: To my limited understanding the a/gps app just lets you (re)set the last fix point (which is updated with every fix afterwards)	19:39
zfigz	So I'd use both Maemo Mapper "and" A-GPS?	19:39
Blafasel	Which in turn helps (if you have network access) to get a list of sats in view for your location -> speed increase	19:39
johnx	zfigz, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987	19:39
Blafasel	In a way. You only start the app though if you moved far away from your last fix..	19:40
crashanddie	zfigz, just launch A-GPS, be connected to the internet, point to your location (roughly), start the GPS (be it Maemo Mapper or Map), and you'll get a fix within a minute	19:40
Proteous	a-gps sucks, it ate all my fries	19:40
GeneralAntilles	That bastard!	19:40
Proteous	all I was left with was a puddle of katsup	19:40
crashanddie	my record from cold boot is 18 seconds using A-GPS	19:40
* GeneralAntilles steels Proteous's katsup while he's not looking.		19:40
* Proteous cries		19:40
GeneralAntilles	s/steels/steals/	19:41
Proteous	lol	19:41
zfigz	so you need an internet connection eh?	19:41
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qwerty12	Sounds like a lolcat situation...	19:41
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Blafasel	zfigz: Exactly. wifi or packet data	19:41
zfigz	oh ok	19:41
GeneralAntilles	Steels might be fun, too, though	19:41
zfigz	so the gps is pretty faulty	19:41
crashanddie	zfigz, yeah, amazing eh, on an internet tablet, who'd have thought of it	19:41
GeneralAntilles	Then you just have a puddle of cold metal.	19:41
Blafasel	zfigz: Huh?	19:41
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zfigz	You 'have' to have the internet to use the gps, right?	19:42
Blafasel	No	19:42
qwerty12	I love drinking Mercury.	19:42
crashanddie	qwerty12, I prefer a good Jupiter	19:42
qwerty12	crashanddie: I lik venus	19:42
Blafasel	You have to have a connection for a-gps, packet data or wifi.	19:42
smyows	i need to install kernel-diablo-flasher or fiasco-flasher	19:42
qwerty12	apt-get -f install	19:42
crashanddie	qwerty12, you lick Venus ?	19:42
* GeneralAntilles should probably put together some notes for the Bugzilla meeting.		19:42
Proteous	when you are in range of known access points the GPS can use that to figure out what the nearby GPS sats are and get a fix faster	19:42
qwerty12	crashanddie: hell yes	19:42
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zfigz	eh	19:46
zfigz	gps still isn't working	19:46
zfigz	i think i'm just gonna trash it all	19:46
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zfigz	Establishing GPS fix . . . . . . . . . . . forver	19:46
GeneralAntilles	Go outside	19:46
Proteous	maybe go outside	19:46
crashanddie	lol	19:46
GeneralAntilles	You don't get fixes beneath a roof.	19:46
GNUton	Hello	19:46
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crashanddie	zfigz, you for real ? Or you just the same troll from the forums ?	19:46
MangoFusion	outside? i hate to go outside? nooooooooooo!	19:47
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MangoFusion	*have	19:47
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crashanddie	MangoFusion, it worked :P	19:47
Proteous	FROM INSIDE MY FARADAY CAGE I CAN'T A GPS FIX WTF!!! THIS THING SUCKS"	19:47
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, he's just a figment of your disturbed mind.	19:47
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crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, you know where you can figment my disturbed mind ? :D	19:48
zfigz	no troll here	19:48
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sure if it's a lot of people or just one person, but I keep seeing people telling me I have a disturbed mind on itT.	19:48
GeneralAntilles	My disturbed mind wonders who let the other personalities out.	19:48
Proteous	well, it's true	19:48
GeneralAntilles	My house really is a faraday cage	19:48
qwerty12	It's all in your head...	19:48
GeneralAntilles	lead paint and plaster walls.	19:48
zfigz	so yeah...	19:49
zfigz	I open agps	19:49
zfigz	then maemo mapper	19:49
zfigz	and nothing	19:49
GeneralAntilles	OUTSIDE.	19:49
zfigz	I should go outside?	19:49
GeneralAntilles	No, stay inside	19:49
GeneralAntilles	outside is hot and no AC	19:49
GeneralAntilles	You don't want to go outside	19:49
qwerty12	This is one of the rare times where gtfo literally applies :P	19:50
* GeneralAntilles uses liqbase to take notes.		19:50
GeneralAntilles	Hear that luck? :P	19:50
GNUton	:)	19:50
smyows	:/ my n800 is in loop	19:50
GNUton	is liqbase packaged?	19:50
GeneralAntilles	No	19:51
sp3000	eek, there actually is a luick too	19:51
GNUton	why not? O_o	19:51
qwerty12	Nay, you have to unzip it yourself	19:51
sp3000	luck even	19:51
GeneralAntilles	lcuk!	19:51
GeneralAntilles	lol	19:51
qwerty12	GNUton: People from the north have trouble using dpkg-buildpackage :P	19:51
GeneralAntilles	GNUton, because lcuk is a Linucks newb. ;)	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Leenucks	19:51
qwerty12	Leesnuts	19:51
GNUton	qwerty12: ahha :) I think so	19:51
GeneralAntilles	leencuks teg	19:52
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GeneralAntilles	Everybody laugh at lcuk's accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI	19:52
lcuk	qwerty12, :) if its so easy please be my guest and show me how its done	19:52
qwerty12	Me was laughing for a long time. I have the same accent, just a lot less	19:52
GNUton	GeneralAntilles: My accent is more funny!!!	19:52
lcuk	but you will first have to sort out the /install section of the makefile and decide where all the files are going	19:53
GeneralAntilles	Maybe, GNUton, but do you have any cool YouTube vids? :P	19:53
qwerty12	lcuk: Give me your debian folder so far :P :)	19:53
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lcuk	ok gimme a mo	19:53
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, ~/.liqbase	19:53
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GNUton	GeneralAntilles: not yet.. you all are lucky!!!	19:53
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anddam	hi again	19:53
GeneralAntilles	not ~/_aqd or whatever it is. :P	19:53
anddam	anyone around with a 770?	19:54
* qwerty12 has an android vid, except I ain't speaking on it :P		19:54
lcuk	errrrr how do i checkout my own source?	19:54
* GeneralAntilles spotted a qwerty12 in that one.		19:54
lcuk	JOKING	19:54
GeneralAntilles	svn checkout	19:54
anddam	qwerty12: vid as in video ?	19:54
qwerty12	anddam: yea	19:54
zfigz	yeah....still establishing gps fix	19:54
zfigz	my gps is whack	19:54
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qwerty12	lcuk: oh, it's in svn? I can check it out from here :)	19:55
GNUton	lcuk: where do you live?	19:56
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qwerty12	Somewhere where the people talk odd	19:56
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lcuk	qwerty12, the /debian isnt in there	19:57
qwerty12	I have a choice of going there or halifax this friday :/, oh will the torture of the dodgy voices neva end? :P	19:57
lcuk	im gonna regrab whats there, add the debian folder and put it back	19:57
qwerty12	lcuk: ahh	19:57
lcuk	the current source isnt exactly in a perfect state	19:57
lbt	does it build?	19:58
lcuk	manchester	19:58
GeneralAntilles	does it blend?	19:58
lcuk	lbt - yes but theres stuff in there im not happy with yet and will change	19:58
GNUton	lcuk: ok thanks	19:58
lcuk	so im not puttin it up till ive tested and am comfortable with	19:58
Blafasel	branch!	19:59
lbt	I was hoping to buid and use it tomorrow...	19:59
GNUton	GeneralAntilles: I think that he have a perfect english accent.. or not?	19:59
Blafasel	That way you have the revision history at least.	19:59
lbt	s/buid/build/	19:59
infobot	lbt meant: I was hoping to build and use it tomorrow...	19:59
qwerty12	GNUton: ell no :P	19:59
lcuk	Blafasel, i have revision history anyway, nightlies go up into a private tar.gz :)	20:00
lcuk	now, lemme get this network connected and ill sort out for qwerty	20:00
Blafasel	lcuk: Okay. Hard to diff those in a sensible way for me, but ;)	20:00
GNUton	qwerty12: no ? ok.. ok, so I hope that anyone of you never hear my accent!! I´m italian and my english accent is really orrible!	20:01
lcuk	:) ive got surprises planned and they arent exactly surprises if everyone is looking now are they	20:01
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lcuk	gahhhh xchat popup baloons have gone mad	20:01
qwerty12	lcuk: lets make them more mad	20:01
qwerty12	lcuk: 1	20:01
qwerty12	lcuk: 2	20:01
qwerty12	lcuk: 3	20:01
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qwerty12	:P	20:01
lcuk	they only pop when ive not got window to front you numpty	20:02
qwerty12	asshat :P	20:02
lcuk	wannabe southernboy	20:02
qwerty12	besides, it's been a while since I used libnotify :P	20:02
lcuk	although you are annoying me every few seconds by telling me its in svn and you will check it out	20:02
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lcuk	see if that helps	20:03
qwerty12	It didn't. I'm still here.	20:03
lcuk	lol	20:04
lcuk	qwerty12, where are you expecting the binary to go itno	20:04
crashanddie	bleeeeh, why doesn't hildon_mime_open_file() work :'(	20:04
Blafasel	What does 'Doesn't work' mean? Just curious.	20:04
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qwerty12	lcuk: no idea, I just wanna get the debian folder with the sources :/ so I can find out where the binary goes :/	20:04
lcuk	directly into /use/bin or into its own folder somewhere? cos currently i have a /sh to start it	20:05
crashanddie	Blafasel, the banner pops up, showing "APPNAME-Loading", but then the banner just dies	20:05
Blafasel	qwerty12: Part of his problem(s) is figuring out where they SHOULD go, to my understanding at least.	20:05
qwerty12	lcuk: oh, /usr is the norm so I guess I'd try there :)	20:05
lcuk	dpkg takes its input from the "make install"	20:05
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qwerty12	Blafasel: Yep, just realised >.<	20:05
lcuk	there is no make install section	20:05
* lcuk runs from source folder		20:06
qwerty12	I'll j00k one from another project :P	20:06
crashanddie	hmm	20:06
madhav	lcuk: ping	20:06
crashanddie	time to light a fag	20:06
lcuk	the problem ive had is looking at other projects files are splattered around	20:06
* crashanddie dusts off the blowtorch, and heads to the basement		20:06
lcuk	crashanddie, when you return you can pleassssssssssse help me	20:07
madhav	lcuk: there is some problem with xsp..on my device..	20:07
crashanddie	lcuk, I can try	20:07
madhav	lcuk: u got any idea, how to enable xsp extension..	20:07
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qwerty12	lcuk: I'll see what I can do as far as the install stuff goes. I'll see if I can make an quick sudoers file too.	20:08
lcuk	it should be enabled by default from what i recall?	20:08
lcuk	qwerty12, :) bonus gimme 2 then	20:08
qwerty12	Just waiting for the debian folder to show up :)	20:09
madhav	i checked xorg-xserver build configuration..its --disable-xsp in kernel flags..	20:09
crashanddie	qwerty12, you running diablo ?	20:09
qwerty12	crashanddie: yeah	20:09
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, read up on POSIX. :P	20:09
lcuk	yes GeneralAntilles, that helps me when people are clamoring for things	20:09
zfigz	so how exactly do i get maemo mapper and a gps to work ?	20:10
* lcuk stops for 6 months to read a few books and become one with unix		20:10
GeneralAntilles	The POSIX filesystem specs will be a good starting point	20:10
madhav	lcuk: ?	20:10
lcuk	madhav, gimme a minute here please	20:10
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crashanddie	qwerty12, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt)	20:11
crashanddie	lcuk, you still on chinook ?	20:11
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lcuk	yes	20:11
qwerty12	I would love to try but I'm currently installing debian atm :/. CPU = 100%	20:11
crashanddie	qwerty12, hmm, ok	20:11
crashanddie	lcuk, can you do what I just told q to do ?	20:11
GeneralAntilles	wikipedia had an article that I can't find now. :\	20:12
lcuk	crashanddie, which is?	20:12
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crashanddie	lcuk, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt)	20:12
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qwerty12	madhav: in diablo xorg-server, it's set to --enable-xsp	20:12
GeneralAntilles	Ah, there it is.	20:12
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard	20:12
lcuk	crashanddie, i can as soon as i push this update to svn for qwerty	20:13
crashanddie	k	20:13
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zanshin	Hi everybody, I would like to install debian on my nokia 770, but I can't find it on linserver.no-ip.biz no more. What would be the best resource to learn how to install debian on a N770?	20:14
GeneralAntilles	OK, miscellaneous bugzilla stuff	20:14
GeneralAntilles	Bug Jar and the new wiki plugin	20:15
GeneralAntilles	Triaging guide	20:15
zanshin	Or is there a howto to install it with debootstrap?	20:15
Stskeeps	zanshin: well, we've started a debian for nit tablets project in general and if you want to play guneia pig and help out with getting it working for 770 too, you're welcome :) http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian	20:15
lcuk	ok	20:15
GeneralAntilles	Guided submission form for people without canconfirm	20:15
GeneralAntilles	I know I'm missing a bunch of stuff. . . .	20:15
lcuk	as long as i havent ballsed anything up i think i am updating svn	20:15
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, is that the list for the discussion later on ?	20:15
GeneralAntilles	Yes	20:15
GeneralAntilles	Mostly just notes for stuff we need to hit	20:16
zanshin	Stskeeps: Ok I'll have a look	20:16
lcuk	craptastic. im gonna get the laptop setup for scratch-frikkin-box :)	20:16
GeneralAntilles	It's more of an informal get together	20:16
lcuk	theres a few "extra" files in the debian folder	20:16
GeneralAntilles	We're sorta failing at having all the right people together in the same place otherwise.	20:16
lcuk	i believe they would be temp files	20:16
zanshin	Stskeeps: I read it shout be possible to use debian for 880, but that one doesn'y boot. I got multiboot working but it hangs on boot.	20:17
GeneralAntilles	880?	20:17
crashanddie	8x0	20:17
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zanshin	yes :) sorry	20:18
Stskeeps	zanshin: i think we require fanoush's initfs atleast (referred to on page), and then we can see what happens :P	20:18
lcuk	nice!	20:18
zanshin	Got that :)	20:19
qwerty12	lcuk: enjoy. remember to do the vdso and mmap fix if installing on ubuntu hard	20:19
zfigz	Is there any trick to getting Maemo Mapper and A GPS to work?	20:19
lcuk	ive just been sent an email with >1000 names details and credit card stuff	20:19
crashanddie	lcuk, awesome !	20:19
zfigz	lcukm lucky you	20:19
crashanddie	lcuk, slexy it !	20:19
Stskeeps	zanshin: also having SSH access to your tablet is a basic thing since it's hell to do it on stylus keyboard :P	20:19
zanshin	:) yep	20:19
qwerty12	lcuk: I see the debian folder, safe for checking out?	20:19
lcuk	yer i cant wipe the crap out of it	20:20
Stskeeps	what OS version do you have on the tablet, zanshin? and can the 770 handle 2gb SD?	20:20
* lcuk makes a mental note to do things properly next time		20:20
lcuk	qwerty12, join the project and you can reupload if you manage to get it working	20:20
qwerty12	lcuk: If I do manage to get it working, I'll just tar.gz my changes :)	20:21
zanshin	Stskeeps: Do you know how th initfs exactly works. When I checked debian for 8x0 there were no kernels in /boot so gues it takes it's kernel to boot from somewhere else.	20:21
lcuk	qwerty12, :) ok cheers	20:21
Stskeeps	zanshin: it uses same kernel as the existing OS, - it loads kernel first, then code in initfs and then through voodoo executes /sbin/init like a kernel would on the partition it boots	20:22
lcuk	crashanddie, loaded notes but then said "unable to open"	20:22
crashanddie	lcuk, did you give it a real file ?	20:22
qwerty12	lcuk: just out of question, ever tried using the vfp, march, mtune optimisations or didn't it have no effect?	20:23
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lcuk	i tried lots of things back when starting but -O3 was plenty	20:23
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qwerty12	cool, just wondering :)	20:23
lcuk	and it was also the fastest	20:23
lcuk	not sure whether i tried every combination, but i got over 25fps and can drop ~ 100 lines of text on screen	20:24
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lcuk	draw^	20:24
lcuk	qwerty12, if i specify the full path to the file it opens	20:24
lcuk	but using local path it fails	20:24
qwerty12	s/qwerty12/crashanddie :)	20:24
lcuk	damn, not qwerty12 i meant crashanddie	20:25
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lcuk	lol yer	20:25
crashanddie	lcuk, ok, great	20:25
lcuk	Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open dmesg.txt	20:25
lcuk	Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open /media/mmc1/dmesg.txt	20:25
lcuk	first one failed, second one worked	20:25
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crashanddie	lcuk, ok, thanks	20:25
Blafasel	lcuk: Pretty awesome video	20:25
qwerty12	lcuk: Would having liqbase_readme.txt distributed be an requirement too?	20:26
Blafasel	Especially the note taking.	20:26
crashanddie	OK, I need another guinea pig but who is running diablo now	20:26
lcuk	Blafasel, it doesnt actually do it justice, the stylus kept missing on the upstrokes (its sat on a foam pad so tablet moves away)	20:26
lcuk	qwerty12, yes	20:26
lcuk	thats why i wanted them in a folder on their own	20:26
qwerty12	I'll make it move in /usr/share/liqbase then :), otherwise in /usr/share/docs docpurge will have it's way :)	20:26
lcuk	Blafasel, ive got 900 sketches now	20:27
qwerty12	s/it's/its	20:27
crashanddie	lcuk, how fast does it load ?	20:27
lcuk	a lot quicker now i've didled with it - i just do a scan of the folder, begin layout and load a few more every frame until complete	20:27
lcuk	it works quite weel	20:27
lcuk	but im reversing the direction	20:28
lcuk	i want to be writing at the BOTTOM of a big sheet of paper	20:28
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lcuk	so i can automatically just look back over what ive done and advancing a page when ive finished is easier on the eyes	20:28
crashanddie	ab ab ab ab	20:28
Blafasel	lcuk: How are they arranged? I mean, the screen you write on is just prepended to the whole "paper"?	20:28
crashanddie	s/ab ab ab ab/a((ab)\|b*)/	20:29
infobot	crashanddie meant: a((ab)\|b*)	20:29
crashanddie	hmm	20:29
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crashanddie	~/a((ab)\|b*)/	20:29
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lcuk	each sketch is a rectangular area all fitted within the frame and laid out as neatly as possible	20:29
lcuk	Blafasel, +- zoom keys work	20:29
Blafasel	Nice.	20:29
lcuk	and having 100 or so on screen as icons is wicked	20:29
Blafasel	And your project contains the source for those sample apps as well or "only" for the drawing itself?	20:30
qwerty12	arg, time for me to go, I'll take a look in the morning :)	20:30
lcuk	anyway, tea ready, back soon	20:30
qwerty12	bye	20:30
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crashanddie	/ab ab ab ab/a((ab)\|b*)/	20:30
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lcuk	Blafasel, liqbase contains everything i got stable until the day i released. i cleansed out the partial test stuff	20:30
lcuk	but now im full steam building them again	20:30
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crashanddie	Blafasel, you wouldn't be running diablo by any chance ?	20:31
lcuk	theres some more stuff in there that the video doesnt show	20:31
Blafasel	crashanddie: I am	20:31
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lcuk	back soon	20:31
crashanddie	Blafasel, mind doing a small test for me ?	20:31
Blafasel	crashanddie: Not at all, but I've to head home right now. 15min?	20:31
crashanddie	Blafasel, purrfect	20:31
Blafasel	brb	20:31
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crashanddie	m/purrfect/	20:36
crashanddie	hmm, infobot's perl implementation isn't that complete, is it ?	20:36
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, it's a dumb IRC bot. :P	20:39
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lcuk	based on GeneralAntilles's mind	20:41
GAN800	You see the depth of my disturbedness!	20:42
lcuk	lol yer	20:43
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lcuk	im a bit freaked out about all these CC numbers	20:43
GAN800	Maybe trying them out one by one will help.	20:44
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lcuk	lol GAN800, no - i seriously dont want them but i dont know what to do with them	20:45
lcuk	theres people from all over the world here and some from nearby	20:45
lcuk	:S	20:45
GAN800	Pass the buck, forward them on down the line.	20:46
wazd	Hello everybody :)	20:46
GNUton	Hello wazd!	20:46
lcuk	:( theres even more than i thought	20:46
lcuk	[Message clipped] View entire message	20:46
GAN800	The result of that $1000 lcuk paypalled to that credit card scammer after he had that red wine.	20:48
zfigz	Can someone walk me through on how to get maemo mapper and a gps to work?	20:48
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* GAN800 restrains himself from making a joke about 'a gps'.		20:49
zfigz	the gps is seriously sketchy	20:49
zfigz	i was hoping for the gps to be a lil' more reliable	20:49
GAN800	When you hope for a "lil'" of anything, you set yourself up for disappointment.	20:50
crashanddie	zfigz, what exactly is your problem ?	20:51
crashanddie	ok, let's do this together, will ya ?	20:51
crashanddie	get your NIT connected on wifi	20:51
crashanddie	get close to a window/outside	20:51
Jaffa	Evening, all	20:51
crashanddie	launch a-gps beta	20:51
GAN800	Hi, Jaffa.	20:52
lcuk	note: GPS WORKS WELL WHEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PLANET EARTH	20:52
lcuk	hi jaffa	20:52
GAN800	lcuk, no wonder I've been having so much trouble. . . .	20:52
lcuk	and such lag playing wow	20:52
crashanddie	my location is already set, so I'm not changing anything on the map a-gps shows me, but make sure the indicator is close to your area	20:52
crashanddie	launch Map	20:52
zfigz	crash, it never locates me	20:53
GAN800	My friends have all gotten back into that shit after breaking their addictions 6 months ago.	20:53
lcuk	zfigz, have you attmpted to go outside with a clear view of the sky and set it going	20:53
zfigz	openning a gps	20:53
lcuk	gps does not work indoors	20:53
zfigz	lcuk, actually...no	20:53
lcuk	there ya go :P	20:53
zfigz	ok	20:54
zfigz	so do this	20:54
zfigz	open a gps	20:54
zfigz	then go to maemo mapper	20:54
zfigz	and voila?	20:54
GAN800	zfigz, agps beta isn't supposed to locate you . . . tap on the map where you are.	20:54
sjgadsby	You are the Assist in Assisted GPS.	20:54
wazd	oh hell	20:55
wazd	you need to show positioning system where you are?)	20:55
zfigz	ok	20:55
zfigz	i'm gonna go outside	20:55
GAN800	To within about 300 miles.	20:55
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wazd	GAN800: ah, thats better :)	20:56
GeneralAntilles	sjgadsby -> #maemo-meeting	20:58
lcuk	jaffa	20:58
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lcuk	ive been sent an email which has disturbed me muchly. it contains well over 1000 names addresses and credit card details	20:58
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lcuk	someone tell me where i can send this so it gets handled properly	20:59
GeneralAntilles	From who?	20:59
lcuk	i dunno, another gmail user	20:59
wazd	lcuk: you're rich man! :D	20:59
sjgadsby	A very confused Nigerian scammer.	20:59
lcuk	no, these look too legit :S	20:59
GeneralAntilles	gmail-abuse?	21:00
GeneralAntilles	Something similar	21:00
lcuk	but its not abuse like that - ive just tried looking on police site n stuff but cant see anything major	21:00
aquatix	lcuk: please send it to me!	21:01
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* aquatix has some gadgets he wants to buy; having some CC numbers ready is nice ;)		21:01
Stskeeps	lcuk: UK?	21:01
lcuk	yes	21:01
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wazd	BTW, where can I apply for some bla-bla-bla time at the Maemo Summit?)	21:02
Stskeeps	lcuk: "fraud intelligence bureau"?	21:02
Jaffa	wazd: the Talk page	21:03
X-Fade	wazd: In the wiki?	21:03
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zfigz	yeah	21:03
Blafasel	crashanddie: Shoot	21:03
zfigz	didn't work outside either	21:03
zfigz	n810's gps sooks	21:03
wazd	Jaffa, X-Fade: I realy have searched for something specific but I haven't found it(	21:03
GAN800	the Summit page on the wiki	21:04
Jaffa	wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008	21:04
lcuk	Stskeeps, thanks, that takes me to other periphery organisations where i can only signup for newsletters and leave comments	21:04
GAN800	the lightning talks and BoF sessions are being put together there	21:04
Jaffa	Erk, lightning sessions now only 5 mins each (again)	21:05
lcuk	thats the right idea though	21:05
lcuk	Jaffa, i noticed that	21:05
wazd	oh, thank you very much	21:05
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GAN800	Jaffa, talk fast.	21:05
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zfigz	I know a gps isn't supposed to locate me	21:05
GAN800	maybe implement a 2x transcoding feature for tablet-encoding ans use that on a recording of your talk? :P	21:05
Jaffa	heh	21:06
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GAN800	Locating you is exactly what a gps is supposed to do. g	21:06
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GAN800	Jaffa, don't irc as root. :P	21:06
Jaffa	GAN800: indeed ;-)	21:07
lcuk	how come it knows im lcuk	21:07
* Jaffa 's keyboard was playing up in Ubuntu so had to switch OS		21:07
GAN800	dneary, got any opinion on that '/usr on sd' article?	21:07
smyows	is possible to put a original kernel os2008 kernel	21:07
X-Fade	Yep	21:07
smyows	anyone have zimage to send-me?	21:08
smyows	my n800 is in loop :P	21:08
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GAN800	smyows, use the command qwerty12 gave you.	21:08
smyows	?	21:08
GAN800	flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R	21:09
GAN800	lcuk, what knows?	21:09
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lcuk	well i logged in on my 810 just after jaffa	21:10
smyows	i do not have original image	21:10
lcuk	mine said lcuk@ instead of anything	21:10
GAN800	smyows, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com	21:10
Stskeeps	lcuk: re the cc thing, i guess bank would be the best option to report it to as they have procedures internally about fraud :P	21:11
GAN800	You set your username in XChat?	21:11
lcuk	Stskeeps, but which bank, its countrywide list	21:11
lcuk	GAN800, so y did jaffas come up with root	21:11
Stskeeps	lcuk: your own to start with	21:12
GAN800	Because that's his username.	21:12
lcuk	ok Stskeeps :)	21:12
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Stskeeps	lcuk: im deriving that from http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/fraud/ atleast	21:13
Stskeeps	since they are responsible for verifying the crime and reporting it to the police	21:13
lcuk	i find it hard to believe i cannot directly contact someone and say "OI this is dodgy"	21:14
lcuk	i might go out on the street with a camera - ill find a policeman in seconds	21:14
Stskeeps	yeah.. its ironic	21:14
Jaffa	lcuk/GAN800: I'm not on my N810 as root (my N810 is showing it through a screen session on badger.bleb.org) but for following the meeting I decided that bitchx isn't the most easy interface to follow multiple rooms in. The OS I'm booted into only has one account at the moment, and it's "root"	21:14
lcuk	lol jaffa we are only pullin at your peel	21:15
Stskeeps	lcuk: bringing a printout of the first 30 pages prolly help to illustrate theres a problem	21:15
Stskeeps	or whatever seems overwhelming for the bank guy	21:15
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Jaffa	lcuk: indeed - I've given out the same advice many times :-)	21:15
GNUton	jott: ping	21:15
lcuk	ok, just gonna order some ink cartridges	21:16
lcuk	oh crap, it needs a cc	21:16
dneary	hey hey	21:16
rm_you	hrm back	21:17
lcuk	Forward suspicious-looking emails 'from' HSBC to:phishing@hsbc.com <<< i can do that	21:18
GAN800	rm_you -> #maemo-meeting	21:18
rm_you	happening now?	21:18
lcuk	but i cant someonesentmethousandsofcreditcards@hsbc.com	21:18
GAN800	40 minutes	21:19
rm_you	GAN800: ok i will go take a shower now... got a dentist appointment at 2:00, need to leave by like 1:00 to get there on time, meeting starts at 12:00 >_>	21:19
rm_you	GAN800: so i'll prolly miss a bit of it if it is over an hour	21:19
rm_you	anything i should be thinking about pre-meeting?	21:20
GAN800	Cleaning or hole drilling? :P	21:20
rm_you	hole drilling :P	21:20
rm_you	they're going to gas me	21:20
rm_you	woo	21:20
GAN800	Woo!	21:20
lcuk	rm_you, :(	21:20
rm_you	lol	21:21
GAN800	Better than having to sit throug it.	21:21
rm_you	lcuk: it is very minor :P	21:21
rm_you	preventative work	21:21
lcuk	MINOR	21:21
GAN800	novacaine alergy?	21:21
rm_you	lol	21:21
rm_you	no, they will give me that too :P	21:21
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lcuk	i need gassings just so they can inject me so they can repair it	21:21
lcuk	damn evil butchers	21:21
GAN800	minor + gas is odd. . . .	21:22
rm_you	I asked for it :P	21:22
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GAN800	Ha	21:22
GAN800	Whimp	21:22
rm_you	How often can you legally get gassed out of your mind? :P	21:22
rm_you	This turns dentist trip from "meh" -> "woo" :P	21:22
rm_you	lcuk: stereotypes of british dentistry come to mind	21:23
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pupnik_	yaay taosynth was reactivated	21:23
pupnik_	anybody do sound with linux?	21:23
pupnik_	http://taopm.sourceforge.net/examples/sounds.html	21:23
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pupnik	damn german dentists don't use gas, as a rule.	21:23
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rm_you	anyway, brb shower	21:24
GAN800	Last time I was under was for adnoid removal	21:24
rm_you	should i have questions ready for the meeting/	21:24
rm_you	or is it not that kind of meeting?	21:24
GAN800	They used ether, I threw up on the hospital steps leavinging.	21:25
GAN800	it was fun	21:25
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rm_you	lol	21:25
Blafasel	No questions. Just BS bingo	21:25
GAN800	rm_you, sprint review	21:25
rm_you	kk	21:25
* Jaffa 's never had a general anaesthetic or, in fact, any form of gas :-(		21:25
GAN800	Not that kind.	21:25
rm_you	then brb	21:25
GAN800	I wish somebody would be cool and help me get together a useful agenda for a real maemo-meeting. :P	21:26
pupnik	GAN800 "world domination"	21:27
GAN800	I think I'm stuck in an un-useful mindset about it and need somebody else get some real direction going.	21:27
Blafasel	GAN800: First point: "Socializing"	21:28
Italodance	http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/ ok then what?	21:28
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GAN800	I've got a '20 questions with Quim' thing going on that's boring, topical and unhelpful.	21:28
X-Fade	This is purely a sprint progress report meeting.	21:29
Italodance	oh Tue 11:30 PM ....it's 11 PM now!	21:29
Italodance	Y!	21:29
GAN800	Quim said it should be more like a real 'meeting' for the community, but I'm not entirely sure how to facilitate that without falling into stupid S60 fanboy question hell again.	21:30
X-Fade	GAN800: I'm guessing that I need to put the channel on moderate soon ;)	21:31
Jaffa	GAN800: Council led meeting FTW.	21:31
GAN800	Hehe	21:32
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Italodance	well maemo guys will be here?	21:33
RST38h	boo.	21:33
GAN800	hoo	21:33
Italodance	only US!?	21:33
RST38h	yes, us and THEM.	21:34
* GAN800 rocks out.		21:34
RST38h	is timeless around?	21:35
GAN800	RST38h -> #maemo-meeting	21:35
GAN800	Don't think he's here yet.	21:35
RST38h	ack.	21:36
GAN800	Hopefully he's not gonna miss the bugzilla meeting. . . .	21:36
RST38h	I have got the 100% cpu + hangup bug in microb/browserd again	21:37
RST38h	same site - livejournal.com, looks like some js goes haywire	21:38
Stskeeps	GAN800: is it alright just to lurk and observe, and not talk? not sure how public this sounds :P	21:38
X-Fade	Hmmm I wonder why I haven't ever seen a software update notification on my N810 :)	21:38
GAN800	Stskeeps, most definitely.	21:38
X-Fade	Something is up..	21:38
GAN800	X-Fade, applet turned off?	21:38
RST38h	xfade: no repos added?	21:38
X-Fade	GAN800: Nope.	21:38
X-Fade	RST38h: Nope, I have lots of applications from extras and extras-devel on there.	21:39
X-Fade	But somehow I don't get any notification.	21:39
RST38h	xfade: better tell why canola is still in extras-develop while its plugins are in extras	21:39
X-Fade	RST38h: Check again ;)	21:39
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, scrollback. :P	21:39
Jaffa	X-Fade: me neither, I've never seen any	21:40
RST38h	i am also	21:40
RST38h	ah!	21:40
lcuk	fffffffffffs ive just been onto my bank	21:41
lcuk	and no1 wants to do anything seriously: we hear all about bank details lost: well ive bloody well found them and hence theres a trail and no1 wants to do anything	21:42
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Italodance	NEW STAFF http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat :D	21:43
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GAN800	lcuk, Fight Club time.	21:44
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lcuk	i got told to take it to my branch	21:44
lcuk	by the FRAUD department	21:45
Jaffa	lcuk: ring your favourite national newspaper.	21:45
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Jaffa	...or the BBC	21:45
lcuk	"we do not have access to the email addresses of our security personel for data protection reasons"	21:45
Jaffa	lcuk: ?!	21:45
lcuk	that was the fraud people, i am shocked and outraged as well	21:46
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lcuk	eventually the nice woman at the internet banking helpline told me to send it generically to phishing@hsbc	21:46
ds3	9	21:46
lcuk	but its not a frikkin phish, its an antiphish	21:47
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qwerty12_N800	lcuk, i'm the bank manager. i'd like the details that were lost from our bank to be returned to me so i can deliver it in the morning and launch a full investigation.	21:48
lcuk	i once rang the bank to tell them that cookies could be copied over and a session could be kept between multiple computers. they jumped quickly then	21:49
lcuk	:P qwerty12_N800	21:49
qwerty12_N800	I run the halifax :p	21:49
lcuk	!infact, ive prob still got the address	21:49
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guenther	:)	21:52
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chx	anyone checked the N810WE on Rogers' WiMAX?	21:56
GeneralAntilles	Nobody but Nokia personnel have N810Ws.	21:56
lcuk	I have received the following in my inbox which I think is a bit shocking.	21:56
lcuk	I do not know which bank or accounts the people are for, but am a customer of HSBC and think SOMEONE needs to look at these at a matter of urgency.	21:56
lcuk	I am surprised you have no other security addresses I can use anymore so apologise if this is the wrong address to forward this to.	21:56
jott	GNUton: pong	21:57
chx	GeneralAntilles: ah, thanks	21:57
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MangoFusion_	wtf?	21:59
aquatix	lcuk: sounds good	21:59
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lcuk	not really:	22:00
lcuk	Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:	22:00
lcuk	phishing@hsbc.co.uk	22:00
aquatix	sigh	22:00
lcuk	you cant make this stuff up	22:01
* lcuk resends		22:01
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, attach porno, should catch their attention. stick high priority on it too :o	22:02
qwerty12_N800	*:p	22:02
lcuk	pmsl	22:02
aquatix	:)	22:02
lcuk	wrong chan	22:02
lcuk	ive just sent hsbc the bounce	22:03
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rm_you	wow	22:04
rm_you	Italodance: yes	22:04
rm_you	Italodance: please keep random questions in this channel :P	22:04
lcuk	yes, lets <lcuk> bollards	22:05
lcuk	<lcuk> sorry	22:05
qwerty12_N800	what has the world come to when an man cannot even get good wifi in the bathroom :o :p	22:05
aquatix	qwerty12_N800: sounds like you need another AP	22:06
qwerty12_N800	aquatix, i need 2 :/. this one doesn't support bridging or ssh	22:07
Stskeeps	i like asus wl-500g premium .. hasn't failed me yet and openwrt is fantastic on it	22:08
Stskeeps	:P	22:08
Stskeeps	and it's like 30 quid here	22:08
jott	Stskeeps: agreed	22:08
qwerty12_N800	i'll get my friend to ship me one from DK :p	22:09
jott	i have an usb soundcard and a usb-serial connected to fax modem attached	22:09
Stskeeps	and i absolutely love the feature of being able to move switch ports from WAN (straight on dorm lan), and LAN (behind lan)	22:09
jott	but tbh the broadcom wlan card in it sucks :/	22:10
* jott needs to get a decent one		22:10
Stskeeps	jott: running with 2.4 kernel and enabling wifi power save is just good for my nokia	22:11
qwerty12_N800	can't be worse than atheros's stuff :(	22:11
* aquatix is happy with his v2 wrt54g		22:11
jott	Stskeeps: yeah it's works but reception could be better..	22:11
Stskeeps	true	22:12
Blafasel	crashanddie: Still need something?	22:12
crashanddie	Blafasel, yeah, hang on	22:12
aquatix	an wireless router with usb for storage could be handy though	22:12
crashanddie	Blafasel, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt)	22:12
crashanddie	Blafasel, try with both full path and just cwd	22:13
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie, i can test now if you wish	22:13
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, you can try it out too then, never too much tests	22:13
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, cp + paste worked a treat. network manager works great :)	22:14
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: you got it installed? wee	22:14
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GNUton	jott: I´m updating the QGTKstyle code in the repository.	22:15
qwerty12_N800	yeah, heh, lart my router otherwise ssh ftw	22:15
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jott	GNUton: yeah fine. i think i can apply my patches in the next days.	22:15
jott	GNUton: may changes should work on current svn head	22:15
Blafasel	crashanddie: Will do, takes a minute though.	22:16
jott	GNUton: i can now officially contribute and have to see now how/if i can work together with jens on some outstanding issues	22:16
GNUton	jott: great! :)	22:18
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kpel	hello	22:18
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie, tried it on diablo, works nice as long as i give it a full path. it even runs under root w/out me resorting to prefixing run-standalone	22:19
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crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, that's the whole idea	22:21
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GNUton	jott: There is an important issue to fix now..	22:21
jott	GNUton: what is it?	22:22
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lcuk	Italodance, and anyone else who doesnt know whats happening or what they are wittering on about, go see here https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3	22:22
* lcuk is trying to listen		22:23
GNUton	jott: QGTKStyle doesn´t theme the frame around the application	22:23
jott	mhh.. ah you mean this 2-3 pixel border?	22:23
GNUton	jott: of course	22:24
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GNUton	http://www.gnuton.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/qt4-on-maemo.jpg	22:24
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jott	mh but usually the background color should match the inner border color...	22:27
jott	http://outpo.st/qt4.png <- that's my current style :)	22:29
RST38h	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4364377.ece	22:30
lpotter	thats cool... assistant on maemo	22:30
RST38h	Finally!	22:30
lpotter	need to cross compil eit though :)	22:31
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, you know, hildon-open ?	22:31
GNUton	jott: however the file that the GTK style use to skin the borders of the top level window are qgn_plat_application_*	22:31
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, doesn't work on my NIT...	22:31
qwerty12_N800	worked for me :p	22:31
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, camera doesn't work anymore, mplayer doesn't work anymore, gps only works once and then I have to reboot	22:31
crashanddie	I think I've been playing around with my NIT a bit too much :P	22:31
jott	GNUton: yeah not sure how to do it. i can't find anything in qstyle :/	22:32
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie, my camera+mplayer still work. running any other kernels?	22:33
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, I switched to android at some point, then back	22:33
GNUton	jott: by the way this is a Style issue.. this morning I watched the code... because i thought that was a WM issue..	22:34
lcuk	crashanddie, that was me messing last night - sorry if i broke naything :P	22:34
lcuk	"Wake up Michael, you're going to miss your flight"	22:34
crashanddie	Hahahahaha	22:35
Blafasel	Sorry for being slow. Worked for you, qwerty12_N800? Should I test it as well/still, crashanddie	22:35
crashanddie	"MY NAME IS SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"	22:35
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, did you get rid of the Android kernel?	22:35
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, I thought so	22:35
qwerty12_N800	hmm, my 1st android kernel has those problems, sounds like it's still there... what does cat /proc/version say?	22:35
lcuk	im sorry michael, im afraid i cannot change your name. the reasons are not serious enough"	22:35
qwerty12_N800	SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN - woah. long name.	22:36
lcuk	lol	22:36
jott	GNUton: btw, do you know if you will join the summit now?	22:36
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (root@trice) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008	22:36
qwerty12_N800	oh, that's nokia stock :/	22:36
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, you have no idea how long all my names are :P	22:36
qwerty12_N800	lol	22:37
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GNUton	jott: I´m not sure yet. But there is a possibility! ;)	22:39
GNUton	jott: you live in berlin, isn´t it?	22:39
jott	yes	22:39
jott	i will be there :)	22:39
GNUton	great! :)	22:39
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crashanddie	would be ironic	22:40
crashanddie	people coming from all over the world to berlin to attend the summit	22:40
crashanddie	and a local not joining in :P	22:40
jott	i just consider doing a lightning session about qt4 on maemo progress.. as there are still slots open	22:40
GNUton	crashanddie: ahah :)	22:40
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crashanddie	"Why weren't you there jott ?" "Well, I had to take 2 busses and a tram... Couldn't be bothered" "I took 3 planes and a train" "Pfff, bragger"	22:41
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GNUton	jott: My big problem is that my english is not very good.. but if you want we can have a session on Qt4 togheter.	22:43
GNUton	probably for september I´ve improved my speaked english! :P	22:44
crashanddie	spoken	22:44
crashanddie	:P	22:45
GNUton	ehhe :)	22:45
GNUton	thank you	22:45
crashanddie	GNUton, best way, listen to the BBC 24/7	22:45
GNUton	yes it´s irregular! :)	22:45
GNUton	crashanddie: I´m listening ESL podcast.	22:45
crashanddie	Electronics Sports League ?	22:45
crashanddie	That ESL ?	22:45
qwerty12_N800	and whatever you do, do not copy lcuk's accent	22:46
GNUton	ahha :) English as Second Language	22:46
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, AGREED	22:46
jott	GNUton: well slots are set to 5 min/person if we do it together we would get 10 minutes :P	22:46
lcuk	.\|..	22:46
crashanddie	jott, write my name down, I'll stfu all the time, just look cute; you'll have 15m that way :)	22:47
jott	haha yeah timeslot exploit :)	22:47
crashanddie	in fact	22:47
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crashanddie	anyone who wants 5m extra, write my name down	22:47
crashanddie	if I'm lucky, I'll just need to get a seat on stage and be done with it	22:48
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qwerty12_N800	i'll come and start directing questions at crashanddie :p	22:48
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, ask me any question	22:49
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, and I'll be able to answer	22:49
GNUton	jott: ah ok! :) I thought that the slots get more time.	22:49
lcuk	they did	22:49
lcuk	it started as 10mins each	22:49
qwerty12_N800	crashanddie, wtf did you contribute to that :p	22:49
crashanddie	qwerty12_N800, yes	22:49
jott	GNUton: well don't know there are still four open workshop slots..	22:49
Italodance	um http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet GPS Beta can work on n800 too?	22:52
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Italodance	qwerty12_N800 hi friend can u change the size of xmms?	22:54
qwerty12_N800	no	22:54
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: GAN800: ok heading out for dentist in a minute	22:56
GeneralAntilles	Have fun. ;)	22:56
rm_you	hope I don't miss "rm_you, respond now and we'll send you to the summit" or anything :P	22:57
crashanddie	rm_you, I'll ghost your nick and reply	22:57
rm_you	lol	22:57
GeneralAntilles	Nah, that'll read: "rm_you, respond now or we're sending you the bill for everybody's expenses"	22:57
rm_you	lol	22:58
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rm_you	i'll pick up the logs later :)	22:58
rm_you	bbl	22:58
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GNUton	jott: ok, let me know what do you think..	23:04
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lbt	lcuk: hi mate - where's the latest liqbase?	23:12
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lcuk	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/	23:12
lcuk	svn there	23:12
lbt	'k	23:12
lcuk	i have got a modified version here but as i said earlier, its playing	23:12
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, where's my web content? :P	23:12
lbt	different to the one you emailed me?	23:12
lcuk	web has a few bug fixes over what i emailed	23:13
lcuk	svn is the latest	23:13
lbt	'k	23:13
lcuk	you playin	23:13
lbt	just got a few mins :)	23:13
lbt	been busy and tomorrow/thursday are probably toast	23:14
lcuk	:) cool, theres an example _apg folder with a few predefined sketches	23:14
GNUton	jott: I just added a new issue in the QGTKStyle issue list.	23:14
lbt	on the graffiti wall, can you open an old sketch?	23:14
lcuk	we will do a playtest - ill grab shopper now, ive been meaning to for days	23:14
lbt	or physics for that matter	23:14
lcuk	reopen to edit	23:14
lcuk	not right now	23:14
lbt	how do you reopen?	23:14
lcuk	one shot dealio - like a postit note.	23:15
lbt	ah	23:15
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lcuk	editing is being built as we speak	23:15
lcuk	well not quite exactly now, but you know what i mean	23:15
lbt	cool - ready for thursday?	23:15
lcuk	whats happenin thursday?	23:15
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Blafasel	lcuk: What about the packaging? qwerty12_N800? ;)	23:15
* GeneralAntilles mumbles something about Extras-devel weeklies.		23:16
qwerty12_N800	i'm working on it in the morning	23:16
Blafasel	Cool. What time is it now for you? ;)	23:16
lcuk	i can only throw my hands in the air and say i get confused by such things - it expects to have its own folder for a couple of local files	23:16
flo_lap	re	23:16
lcuk	hi flo_lap	23:16
* GeneralAntilles mumbles something more about web content.		23:17
qwerty12_N800	Blafasel, 9:17 PM BST	23:17
lcuk	lbt, can i step in your box	23:17
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qwerty12_N800	i get up @ 6 am anyway...	23:17
lbt	err, sure.... ?	23:18
Blafasel	qwerty12_N800: Ugh	23:19
aquatix	qwerty12_N800: ouch	23:21
* aquatix can sleep until 7am		23:21
qwerty12_N800	hehe, i could get up at 7:30 if i wished to but i don't :)	23:22
kkrusty	and you sleep at 11?	23:22
qwerty12_N800	roundabout	23:23
qwerty12_N800	oops, separate words :)	23:23
jott	GNUton: maybe make a better screenshot for the bug report, the picture implies that the toplevel window is wrong not the mainwindow	23:24
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lcuk	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper	23:25
jott	GNUton: and i'm not even sure we can solve this with qgtkstyle.. in the end it's an HildonWindow that is themed - maybe it has to be done at QMainWindow level..	23:26
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jott	(i.e. it won't be solveable by a plain qgtkstyle as HildonWindow is not a gtk base widget)	23:28
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jott	(and as far as i can see Qt does not provide a way to theme this area with QStyle.. not 100% sure about this)	23:29
GNUton	jott: ok, but I want to be sure before starting to modify the Qt code.	23:30
jott	yes.. still, if at all, this can not be solved by qgtkstyle just by a "qhildonstyle"	23:31
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jott	this bring us to the #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES too :(	23:31
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hrw\|gone	ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES.... argh	23:35
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hrw\|gone	hildon libs lack them in few places...	23:35
GNUton	the maemo Qt code has got a lot of #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON.. If this problem can be solved in this way.. it´s not a great proble for us, or nt?	23:36
GNUton	not	23:36
jott	GNUton: well... it all depends on how managable this gets (as forking from upstream is always problematic)	23:38
jott	and it would be good if qt4 on maemo does not do the same mistakes as gtk on maemo :p	23:38
jott	(ask hrw about it :P	23:39
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hrw\|gone	jott: I do not use maemo gtk with hildon libs on non-maemo	23:40
a_l_e	hello i'm trying to get latex (texing) to work on os2008. it's installed, but when running pdflatex i guet the error "mktextfm: No such file or directory". does anybody have a hint?	23:41
jott	hrw\|gone: but you where hit by the maemo gtk changes :)	23:41
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hrw\|gone	I have patches for it - and reported some of them to bugs.maemo	23:43
crashanddie	does anyone know if xsel is available for the maemo platform ?	23:44
GNUton	jott: I know that a fork is best way. But the possibilty to add the the Qt4 maemo code in the upstream code exist.	23:44
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a_l_e	the full error from pdflatex is here: pastebin.ch/338	23:44
GNUton	jott: sorry is not the best way :P	23:45
jott	GNUton: yes, just keep in mind that when you want to merge it upstream you can't easily allow 3rd party contributors	23:45
smyows	mgmaps get routes by the internet (think google maps), maemo mapper gets too?	23:46
jott	it's a bit of a predicament..	23:46
GNUton	jott: I think that there is not problem if oyu release your patches under BSD.	23:47
GNUton	jott: What´s the other way to have a Qt for maemo?	23:47
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jott	GNUton: is this possible? it would voilate the gpl (ianal)..	23:47
jott	GNUton: sign a copyright assignment form.	23:48
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GNUton	jott: mmm if the the code is under BSD, trolltech can change the copyright without any problem.	23:49
jott	GNUton: but the patch is a direved work of a gpl work..	23:50
jott	so it technically can't be bsd...	23:50
jott	derived..	23:50
GNUton	It´s true.	23:50
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GNUton	But it´s also true that if you want collaborate with jens you must give him your patch under BSD license..	23:52
jott	GNUton: no. that does not seem to be an option.	23:52
GNUton	because QGTKStyle will be integrated in Qt.	23:52
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jott	i have to sign a copyright assignment form so trolltech/qt software/nokia (or what's it legally now) can use it without problems	23:53
GNUton	ok it´s true if you want release your patch with the Nokia or trolltech license..	23:55
jott	as i said, i doubt it is possible to release a patch under bsd for an gpl work. though i am not 100% sure about it.	23:55
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GNUton	jott: I agree with you...	23:56
GNUton	:)	23:56
derf	The patch can probably be BSD. That won't make the original work it applies to BSD, however.	23:56
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jott	derf: isn't a patch basically always a derived work from the original base?	23:57
jott	(and hence has to be gpl compatible)	23:57
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GNUton	jott: probably yes...	23:58
GNUton	jott: but I´m not sure..	23:58
jott	i think a horde of lawyers atleast could fight about this a couple of month ;)	23:59
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GNUton	I think so! :) haha :)	23:59

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