IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-07-21

zap	what a mess really	00:00
jott	yeah i have it too	00:00
jott	sounds like a cjk font ;)	00:00
zap	yep	00:00
zap	looks like yet another badly designed patch	00:01
* lcuk_codin has 25 mini mes on screen.		00:01
zap	or even like a bug in freetype	00:02
zap	this statement shouldn't imho result in a new virtual font appearing	00:02
zap	it just tries to disable hinting for certain font, which is not present in the system	00:02
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jott	zap: yeh, well it's an actual font	00:03
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zap	is it installed?	00:04
jott	zap: /usr/share/fonts/chinese/MHei18030C5.ttf	00:04
zap	%-O ah ok	00:04
jott	just a bit... erm... creative naming ;)	00:04
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m-c	I am trying to troubleshoot a battery draining very fast. The only issue I see is that every time the touch screen is pressed, there is a static through the speakers for several seconds. The static is more audible when headphones are used. Could this explain why the battery drains so fast?	00:05
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zap	try to reflash the device, if this persists - go to repair	00:07
m-c	Okay, the nokia 1-800 repair did not know the answer. I think there might be some short inside the circuitry.	00:07
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zap	that could be	00:09
jott	m-c: is that with a vanilla flashed diablo image?	00:09
m-c	Yes, plain old OS2008	00:09
jott	without any apps installed?	00:09
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m-c	I have the Ogg Vorbis compatibility package installed and Gpodder	00:10
m-c	But I have reflashed the device a couple times and the static - it is more like a hiss - is still there.	00:11
jott	mh yeah well bring it to service as long as it has warranty ...	00:11
m-c	I am afraid they will just reflash it and then send it back, after saying it passes all their tests.	00:12
jott	how long does the battery hold?	00:12
m-c	Depends on the use, but about 24 hours with moderate use with 30 mins of music.	00:13
jott	in offline mode?	00:14
lcuk_codin	turn the brightness down as far as you feel comfortable, you wont miss much	00:14
m-c	About a quarter of the time it is in offline more and the brightness is turned down.	00:14
lcuk_codin	and you will extend your battery life by a long way	00:14
jott	m-c: you are not using adhoc wifi are you?	00:15
lcuk_codin	but why does it need to be bright any of the time?	00:15
m-c	I know most would say that it is not a problem, but I have another unit that lasts 4-5x as long.	00:15
m-c	No adhoc wifi	00:15
rm_you	lcuk_codin: database STILL importing	00:16
lcuk_codin	eugh not feasible that way then	00:16
rm_you	possibly looking at 2 hours	00:16
rm_you	>_>	00:16
rm_you	but yeah, import requires:	00:16
jott	m-c: hmm well, if you think it's noticeable worse then check with service.. or ask qwerty12 he has the nokia service software :P	00:17
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m-c	:-) Okay, thanks for your thoughts, jott	00:17
rm_you	sed 's/$.*$/insert into items values(\1);/' items.csv > items.sql	00:17
rm_you	sed -i 's/$insert into items values([0-9]$,$[^",]$,/\1,"\2",/' items.sql	00:17
rm_you	sed -i 's/,$[^",]*$);$/,"\1");/' items.sql	00:17
rm_you	sed -i 's/\\/\\\\/g' items.sql	00:17
rm_you	need to work on combining those	00:17
rm_you	or not worry about it	00:17
rm_you	either way :P	00:17
rm_you	lcuk_codin: IT FINISHED	00:18
rm_you	omfg	00:18
lcuk_codin	lol	00:18
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lcuk_codin	dont delete that file now ;)	00:18
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jott	and now the stresstest: select elephant from africa;	00:19
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lcuk_codin	where earsize>25 group by tusklength;;	00:19
rm_you	lol	00:19
rm_you	throw a UPC at me	00:20
rm_you	from anywhere around you	00:20
rm_you	lets test this db	00:20
lcuk_codin	5410133831153	00:20
jott	heh it failed for stuff i tested :P	00:20
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jott	but i added it	00:20
rm_you	5x50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack	00:20
jott	i guess a big part of it are us products	00:20
rm_you	lcuk_codin: :P	00:21
lcuk_codin	yup	00:21
lcuk_codin	its the only barcode nearby	00:21
rm_you	sqlite> select * from items where upc="5410133831153";	00:21
rm_you	5410133831153 5 x 50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack	00:21
rm_you	:)	00:21
rm_you	ok, time for coding	00:21
rm_you	I will save this DB to my server so it is DLable	00:21
yigal	hello I'm getting: /scratchbox/login --> permission denied: /scratchbox/login, help :)	00:21
lcuk_codin	damn glad i didnt give you the code from the other packet	00:21
rm_you	lol??? :P	00:22
jott	yigal: check you are in the sbox group	00:22
yigal	jott: I am	00:22
jott	yigal: have you logged out/in?	00:22
jott	yigal: or started a new session?	00:22
yigal	jott: by starting a new session, does that mean opening a new shell, ${z,ba}sh ?	00:23
jott	lcuk_codin: now we are curious ;O	00:23
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yigal	jott: I'm in a 32bit chroot, in a 64bit system	00:23
jott	yigal: "ssh localhost"	00:23
jott	(as in new parent pid)	00:24
yigal	jott: first have to install it in the chroot :), 1 min.	00:24
rm_you	only thing near me:	00:24
rm_you	sqlite> select * from items where upc="0022100001701";	00:24
rm_you	0022100001701 PABST 24/12 OZ 2/12 CANS	00:24
lcuk_codin	admit it. you just hunted through the database for something manly :P	00:25
rm_you	pft nope :P	00:25
rm_you	not that I drink this pisswater	00:25
rm_you	my roommate does :P	00:25
yigal	jott: when I ssh localhost it takes me outside of the chroot	00:25
jott	just chroot again ;)	00:26
lcuk_codin	rm_you, we know you really meant to show us "0000014248573,,"pink heart shaped dish with ""BE MINE"",""HUG ME"", ""TRUE LOVE"" on each corner"	00:26
jott	yigal: or just log out and relogin...	00:26
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rm_you	ROFL	00:26
jott	haha	00:27
rm_you	all the other shit i have here is japanese and most of it is not in the DB :P	00:27
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yigal	jott: ok, now it says Scratchbox is not properly set up!	00:27
lcuk_codin	yeah yeah	00:27
jott	yigal: mmmh..	00:28
lcuk_codin	OMFG damn!	00:28
lcuk_codin	rm_you, you shouldnt have put your camera on the internet	00:28
lcuk_codin	i just found what it scanned	00:28
lcuk_codin	0000014122996,,"Fleshlight Insert: Vagina - P/N: PVSW"	00:28
rm_you	rofl	00:28
jott	yigal: maybe you need to make sure it's properly installed :/ .. i never tried it in a 32bit chroot...	00:28
lcuk_codin	:D that database is a goldmine	00:28
rm_you	yeah all kinda of hilarious products :P	00:29
yigal	jott: should I have scratchbox-devicetools installed?	00:29
lcuk_codin	yeah jott, he should make sure its properly installed	00:29
rm_you	-rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 100322304 2008-07-20 14:27 upc.db	00:29
rm_you	-rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 33765290 2008-07-20 14:17 upc.db.gz	00:29
rm_you	-rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 26438747 2008-07-20 14:28 upc.db.bz2	00:29
rm_you	lcuk_codin: making the bz2 available	00:29
jott	6417182799310 is missing :/	00:30
lcuk_codin	im just readin the csv	00:30
yigal	jott: after doing a dpkg -l scratch*, the one package that isn't installed is scratchbox-devicetools	00:30
jott	yigal: you should just follow the manual. .:/	00:30
yigal	jott: I just used the script	00:30
jott	mhmh	00:30
rm_you	lcuk_codin: heh	00:30
yigal	maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh*	00:31
* Jaffa beds		00:31
jott	yigal: what distribution?	00:31
lcuk_codin	rm_you, lookup 0031901925482	00:31
yigal	jott: I'm using debian testing	00:31
rm_you	ROFL	00:31
jott	lcuk_codin: wtf :P	00:31
rm_you	extra wide :P	00:31
lcuk_codin	its extra wide!!	00:31
yigal	jott: should I make a ubuntu chroot	00:31
rm_you	lcuk_codin: you are so horrible :P	00:32
lcuk_codin	ok im officially needing the toilet	00:32
lcuk_codin	:O 0031901925482	00:32
rm_you	your brain is the toilet	00:32
jott	yigal: mmmh well might be worth a try but debian should actually work	00:32
yigal	jott: this is what I thought?	00:32
jott	yigal: sorry no further ideas atm...	00:32
lcuk_codin	well after that first one i had to see what else i could buy	00:32
rm_you	lcuk_codin / jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc.db.bz2	00:33
jott	yigal: maybe check/write to itt or the mailing lists..	00:33
yigal	jott: thanks for the time, will revisit the problem another day	00:33
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lcuk_codin	how the hell did that last one get into the system?	00:33
rm_you	SQLite v2.8 db, works with libsqlite0 and sqlite	00:33
lcuk_codin	0070847812968 <<< that one i mean	00:33
rm_you	LOL	00:34
rm_you	no idea	00:34
rm_you	pain	00:34
rm_you	prolly someone submitted it to be an ass	00:34
jott	lcuk_codin: it's a public database	00:34
jott	go to upcdatabase.com and submit your dream product ;)	00:34
lcuk_codin	0700304001931	00:34
rm_you	lol	00:35
jott	stop grepping for nasty words lcuk_codin :P	00:35
lcuk_codin	ok, ill search for good words	00:35
lcuk_codin	so if i printed out some barcodes with these items onto stickers and stuck them randomly around the shopping centre will the checkout ladies get a shock?	00:36
rm_you	LOL	00:36
jott	;)	00:37
lcuk_codin	it will at least give lbt a shock if i choose the store carefully	00:37
zap	anybody can suggest an application which has a font selection dialog?	00:38
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* lcuk_codin needs one of those as well		00:38
jott	zap: xfontsel? :)	00:39
zap	no, I mean a gtk app	00:39
jott	abiword?	00:39
jott	maemopad+	00:40
jott	xorunal probably too	00:40
jott	xournal	00:40
zap	hmm, none of them in diablo-extras	00:41
jott	mh?	00:41
jott	not?	00:41
bef0rd	Xterm has a font selection dialog	00:41
zap	xterm does not qualify, it shows just 4 fonts	00:41
zap	no idea why, thats what I want to check	00:42
lcuk_codin	4== a selection	00:42
lcuk_codin	not a great selection, but a selection all the same	00:42
practisevoodoo	im trying to instal PyGTKEditor on my n810 and it needs python-pygtksourceview which in turn needs kernal-diablo-flasher and libxml2juuiiii. Anyone know where i can get these/	00:42
practisevoodoo	?	00:42
bef0rd	zap, Notes App? Format -> Fonts..	00:43
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zap	cool, thanks	00:44
zap	damnit, 4 fonts too	00:44
* zap is confused		00:45
jott	which font are you missing?	00:45
zap	I made my own dejavu package and installed it	00:45
zap	still can't get any app to show it	00:45
zap	although fc-list does	00:46
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jott	zap: tried to reboot? ;)	00:48
zap	not yet	00:48
zap	but I would like to get it working without reboot	00:48
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zap	this tutorial lies -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_AddFonts/	00:50
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lcuk_codin	practisevoodoo, are you sure you need kernal-diablo-flasher, it sounds liek a heavy package	00:55
lcuk_codin	i never needed anything like that when i installed it	00:55
lcuk_codin	i believe it was only the main package and sourceview	00:56
terbo	4	00:56
practisevoodoo	says i need python-pygtksourceview	00:56
lcuk_codin	yes	00:57
practisevoodoo	and when i try to get that it says i need flash-and-reboot	00:57
practisevoodoo	, initfs-flasher	00:57
practisevoodoo	, kernal-diablo-flasher	00:57
practisevoodoo	, libxml2juuiiii	00:57
GAN800	apt-get -f install	00:57
lcuk_codin	sounds a bit extreme	00:57
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GAN800	A google search will turn up the explanation.	00:58
lcuk_codin	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191277	00:58
Veggen	well. a week of n810 on vacation is over. it is really useful when travelliing.	00:58
lcuk_codin	mornin gan	00:58
GAN800	Howdy.	00:58
lcuk_codin	veggen :) i loved having mine with mt	00:58
practisevoodoo	thats weird, managed to download and instal it this time	00:59
Veggen	lcuk: three travel/hotel-confirmations stayed on n81 and was never printed.	01:00
Veggen	I'm up to date on mail,, after having used it at least twice a day to read mail.	01:00
Veggen	..and mapping applications are useeful, although this time, my needs in that direction was very simple :)	01:01
practisevoodoo	what is the default catalogue list?	01:07
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* RST38bis explodes in diabolical laughter		01:15
RST38bis	hohohoho, the pokemon problem is FIXED!!!	01:15
bef0rd	I'm not into pokemons	01:16
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RST38bis	are you into unaligned arm memory reads then?	01:16
wazd	RST38: that phrase should be bookmarked :))	01:17
zap	o_O %-O	01:17
zap	after reflashing I can't find maemo-get-passwd tool on the device %-O	01:18
zap	and this is the second time I get this	01:18
zap	mmmh, is it in some package?	01:18
wazd	RST38, BTW, Marat, is that you?)	01:19
RST38bis	wazd: well, I am one of Marats, thar is for sure.	01:19
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bef0rd	That was a reference to xkcd :P	01:21
lcuk_codin	pretty http://uk.gizmodo.com/nokia%20touchscreen.jpg	01:21
wazd	RST38: Sometimes I can't trust my eyes :) When I was a kid with Rover P3+ I was playing your emulators :)	01:21
zap	so similar to FreeRunner	01:21
RST38bis	another sshot of the tube?	01:21
RST38bis	wazd: that is me+Aaron Oneal	01:22
wazd	RST38: yep, the author of MorphGear	01:23
RST38bis	lcuk: the funny thing is, it is not even an nseries phone	01:24
zap	anybody can do "dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd" on his tablet? I don't understand anything.	01:24
RST38bis	wazd: well, you can now play it on n8x0 as well.	01:24
zap	RST38bis: are they in diablo extras already? :)	01:25
RST38bis	~ $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd	01:25
zap	and the result?	01:25
RST38bis	openssh-server: /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd	01:25
zap	%-O	01:25
zap	thank you	01:25
zap	surprise :-\	01:25
wazd	lcuk: Well, I think it has too wide screen :)	01:26
RST38bis	zap: not yet - get em from chinook extras for now	01:26
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wazd	RST38: pitty that Aaron left the project without sharing sources, morphGear was the only playable Genesis Emu on handhelds :(	01:28
RST38bis	wazd: he has shared sources	01:29
RST38bis	www.spicypixel.com	01:29
wazd	RST38: I have "sources" link there not working	01:30
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RST38bis	As for him abandoning the project, it is mostly because of RL and unhealthy affliction with .net	01:31
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RST38bis	wazd: there should be information about svn	01:31
wazd	I've found this: http://www.squish.net/generator/source.html	01:32
wazd	RST38: well, then it was right choice	01:33
rm_you	wow the SQLite 2.x API is HORRIBLE	01:33
rm_you	why does anyone still use it	01:33
RST38bis	.net or rl?	01:33
RST38bis	what is horrible about it?	01:34
MangoFusion	wazd: sounds like a great opportunity to write a better playable Genesis Emu for handhelds ;)	01:34
wazd	RST38: If RL = Real life then RL :)	01:34
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wazd	MangoFusion: I'm the last person on the whole planet to ask to make a port :)	01:35
wazd	MangoFusion: there are animals after me :D	01:35
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MangoFusion	haha	01:35
RST38bis	mango: i would port my stuff to winmobile if i had winmobile	01:36
threethirty	ahoy hoy all, where would be the best place to go to find info on syncing the GPE calendar (os2007) to evolution?	01:36
RST38bis	but it is so horrible that i can't make myself get even a debygging unit	01:37
wazd	RST38: why not to try iPhone? It's a nice market	01:37
RST38bis	wazd: there is no market for iphone	01:37
wazd	RST38: official - maybe :)	01:38
wazd	RST38: But guys like Rus project got their money for actually pirate soft :)	01:39
RST38bis	you either write stuff for hacked handsets (and nobody will buy it) or you pay to jobs and he tells you to fuck off (no virtual machines allowed)	01:39
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wazd	RST38: Well, the situation with App Store is ridiculous, I aggree	01:40
RST38x	wazd: i am not making money pirating soft	01:40
Veggen	the only way apple is better than MS, is that Apple things tend to work.	01:40
MangoFusion	don't need a debugging unit. just need to spend some megabucks on visual studio. or if you want a cheaper solution, waste some time making a gcc cross-compiler. of course, this is all irrelevant if you don't have a winmobile device. :D	01:40
timelyx	Veggen: tell that to my ipod	01:41
RST38x	wazd: I do not really care about Apple	01:41
timelyx	i have half a dozen apps that all broke at the same time	01:41
wazd	Veggen: you probbably haven't used macbook :)	01:41
Veggen	wazd: you are right :)	01:41
MangoFusion	btw, anyone here tried that pwnage tool with an iphone/ipod with the 2.0 firmware?	01:41
RST38x	mango: to reiterate: can't fully debug stuff on the simulator.	01:41
timelyx	yuck, why would i want to void my warranty ?	01:41
wazd	Veggen: Apple products are 8told" to be seamless and shiny, bounded to work	01:42
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MangoFusion	RST38x: that may be true, but then why would you want to debug winmobile stuff in the first place? i thought bugs were meant to be part of the experience!	01:42
Veggen	I teend to favour more oen platforms, alas it's Linux (and the BSDs) for me.	01:42
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RST38x	mango: for winmobile maybe, for my stuff not.	01:43
wazd	Hope they'll do something new in WM7	01:44
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wazd	because now WM is really like an overmakeupped 120 yeared granny	01:44
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RST38x	there won't be anything new	01:45
jag_	hello im confused which platform to develop on..maemo or openmoko?	01:45
RST38x	and it won't magically start working.	01:45
jag_	any ideas to make it portable for both platforms too?	01:46
wazd	jag_: Maemo	01:46
RST38x	jag: what device do you own?	01:46
jag_	actually i dont own either..but i want to and can buy only 1 :(	01:46
jag_	to develop on	01:46
wazd	RST38: Well, they promise new core, maybe it will chage something :)	01:46
wazd	jag_: Maemo is way more spread	01:47
lcuk_codin	anyone know which library i need to link to to support: init_sockaddr() or in a more general case, how do i find a library from a named reference?	01:47
RST38x	wazd: will add bugs.	01:47
wazd	RST38: let's be optimists :)	01:48
RST38x	libsocket?	01:48
RST38x	wazd: with wince?	01:48
wazd	RST38: yep	01:48
RST38x	no, i will rather be a realist.	01:48
jag_	im looking to develop software musical instruments and the like..i can write good c/c++...can i go close to the metal with maemo?	01:48
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RST38x	jag: no, but as there is no fm hardware in maemo, you will be fine	01:49
zap	jag_: its not about maemo but rather about the N8x0 device	01:49
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RST38x	wave output is perfectly accessible.	01:49
zap	jag_: notably N8x0 has no native ALSA capabilities :-(	01:49
lcuk_codin	but its got a gstreamer chain i believe	01:50
RST38x	lcuk: nm	01:50
zap	yes, a slow laggy gstreamer chain	01:50
jag_	hmm i usually use portaudio on gnu/linux	01:50
jag_	http://code.google.com/p/din is my gpl project	01:50
RST38x	no portaudion on arm devices	01:51
zap	cool stuff	01:51
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Andy80	hi all	01:51
jag_	i want todo a tap drumming realtime synth on moko or maemo	01:51
zap	jag_: with N8x0 you will get variable touchscreen pressure	01:51
RST38x	that will work	01:51
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zap	not so sure about freerunner	01:51
lcuk_codin	mutlitouch can be an issue for drumming	01:52
jag_	you are right lcuk	01:52
zap	does freerunner have multitouch?	01:52
jag_	no it seems	01:52
jag_	only iphone has :(	01:52
wazd	lcuk: oh! Another descent use of multitouch! :D	01:52
zap	:)	01:52
jag_	there is a synth called kaossilator by korg which basically does what i intend to do but i suppose i can get some nice sounds	01:53
wazd	So now we got fancy zooming and drumming!)	01:53
lcuk_codin	:)	01:53
lcuk_codin	i have been playing with the camera and have 25 mini mes visible	01:53
lcuk_codin	all in scrolly display ;)	01:53
zap	jag_: I'd rather get a N8x0 though	01:54
jag_	also is it possible during a voice call..to take the voice from the mic, add some fx to it..(think SAW movie voiceover) and then output that to the output?	01:54
wazd	lcuk: yaya :)	01:54
zap	jag_: if you patch the phone program	01:54
lcuk_codin	im just trying to connect to a server to make it 25 mini yous	01:54
lcuk_codin	anyway, back later	01:54
RST38x	all right, sleep.	01:55
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wazd	jag_: n8x0 is not a phone, you know?)	01:55
wazd	jag_: Well, not a GSM/UMTS phone	01:56
jag_	yes wazd	01:56
jag_	im fresh from the youtube demos :)	01:56
wazd	jag_: ok)	01:56
jag_	u mean n810?	01:57
wazd	jag_: i think you should think of what you actually need	01:57
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wazd	jag_: a phone or an internet surfer	01:57
jag_	basically i need a phone with touchscreen/single or multi touch with good audio for my synths	01:57
jag_	and the software i write should be migratable to the new phones as they bcome available	01:58
wazd	jag_: then buy Moko :)	01:58
jag_	ohh	01:59
wazd	jag_: Can't tell you bout it's audio quality but i'ts a phone for 100% :)	01:59
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jag_	if it plays mp3s well that is good enough for me	01:59
zap	on the other hand, n8x0 has very good speakers for their size	01:59
zap	even stereo :)	01:59
wazd	zap: n8x0 have many attractive features but it's not a phone)	02:00
jag_	think it plays mp3s and wavs too which is CD quality	02:00
zap	wazd: actually it's a Internet Phone :)	02:00
jag_	actually i rarely use my phone :D	02:00
wazd	jag_: then buy Tablet :)	02:00
zap	wazd: I payed 100RUR on sip.ru and now my n8x0 is a real phone ;)	02:00
jag_	which tablet?	02:01
wazd	zap: oh hell, Russians everywhere :)	02:01
zap	n8x0 is positioned as "Internet Tablet"	02:01
zap	whatever that means :)	02:01
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wazd	jag_: n800 is cheaper and have 2 SD slots and better speakers	02:01
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jott	better speakers?	02:02
wazd	jott: well, for me - yes :)	02:02
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jag_	im assuming nokia will soon add apple style multitouch, accelerometer etc and if hopefully they will run maemo and my programs will just need a recompile right? thats what i hope	02:02
rm_you	lol	02:03
wazd	jag_: why the hell do you need multitouch :)	02:03
zap	they may change the api again, like they did with 770 -> 8x0 transition :)	02:03
rm_you	apple style multitouch is patented. by apple. >_>	02:03
zap	wazd: to play accords	02:03
jott	they'll change the toolkit ;>	02:03
zap	oh no, please no trolls	02:04
jag_	playing chords	02:04
jag_	also in drumming	02:04
jag_	will be handy	02:04
wazd	jag_: You want to make real time playing software or recording?	02:04
jag_	realtime playing	02:04
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zap	and recording :)	02:04
jag_	imagine the phone as a musical instrument	02:05
jag_	yeah recording is possible	02:05
wazd	jag_: Weeeeellllll :))	02:05
zap	well, we already have Pyano here	02:05
zap	so no need to imagine :)	02:05
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jott	and milkytracker runs great too.. ;)	02:05
wazd	jag_: I think you can go far from ordinary musical instruments	02:05
wazd	jag_: like portable beatbox	02:06
jag_	yeah i agree wazd	02:06
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jag_	new interfaces	02:06
zap	use n8x0 like a termenvox	02:06
zap	with a Wii controller or something	02:06
wazd	jag_: Synth some weird groovy sounds :)	02:06
jag_	zap, din is actually a theremin... if u saw my project page..	02:06
jag_	briefly: x is mapped to pitch, y is mapped to volume and notes are marked on the screen..you can move between notes for microtones	02:07
jag_	yes wazd im excited	02:07
wazd	jag_: Or maybe you can even make some DJ interface?)	02:07
zap	jag_: is it wireless like a real termenvox?	02:07
jag_	no zap; it uses the mouse	02:07
rm_you	lcuk_codin: nah i am gonna use libsqlite3	02:07
zap	aha	02:07
jag_	like a bow	02:08
rm_you	lcuk_codin: it is fine	02:08
rm_you	lcuk_codin: it is already in extras	02:08
jag_	u can hear some music ive created with friends on sound samples page	02:08
zap	I'll listen :)	02:08
jag_	wazd: yes, like tonium pacemaker..that costs $1000	02:08
wazd	lcuk: oh, btw, will you show some awesome liqbase stuff on the Summit?)	02:08
jag_	that pacemaker, you load 2 tracks...and mix between them..pitch bend / tempo mod...crossfade...	02:09
jag_	we can use the touchscreen for the gui and will be nice i think	02:09
wazd	jag_: yep, cool idea!	02:10
wazd	jag_: But!	02:10
Andy80	does anyone use maemo-pt-connectivity with diablo and n810?	02:10
wazd	jag_: the main pro against iPhone are buttons!	02:10
Andy80	maemo-pc	02:10
jag_	u mean?	02:10
wazd	jag_: any DJ software will suck on the iphone	02:11
jag_	why?	02:11
wazd	jag_: cause you can't do something blindly	02:11
zap	no buttons there	02:11
jag_	blindly? example?	02:11
wazd	jag_: you always need to look at the screen	02:11
wazd	jag_: phone a number :D	02:12
jag_	that is true but djs are always looking at their laptops/turntables no?	02:12
jag_	also u can design certain controls smaller and some larger for gross manipulation	02:12
wazd	jag_: actually no	02:12
wazd	jag_: Anyway, you can easily bind d-pad for example to quick access to some menus	02:14
jag_	yeah a keyboard is always an advantage	02:15
wazd	jag_: Like "up-tracktor, down-mixing" and so on :)	02:15
wazd	jag_: i'm not a DJ so forgive my weird examples :)	02:15
jag_	nor am i	02:15
jag_	hehe	02:15
wazd	jag_: thats very good!	02:16
zap	yep that definitely ressembles a theremin	02:16
jag_	ohh u listened?	02:16
wazd	jag_: you can make some sampling software that will be fun for ordinary people	02:16
rm_you	lcuk_codin: LOL	02:16
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zap	sure I did, I told you I'll do :)	02:16
rm_you	lcuk_codin: my build-box downloads the UPC database from my server at 10MB/s	02:16
rm_you	13:21:53 (10.04 MB/s) - `upc3.db.bz2' saved [26677051/26677051]	02:17
jag_	zap: if u were going to i would have suggest the best of the worst that is there :D	02:17
rm_you	i love my mirror server's bandwidth	02:17
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wazd	rm_you, lcuk: are you summoning Lucifer?))	02:17
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rm_you	lol	02:17
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zap	jag_: what are the faint bleeps and blops in the background?	02:18
jag_	that is a another instrument played by a friend	02:18
zap	:)	02:18
wazd	Well, g2g2 sleep :)	02:18
jag_	which samples the melody i play and converts them into those bleeps and blops..he calls them rhythms..polyrhythms in fact	02:18
wazd	See ya soon :)	02:18
jag_	thanks wazd for ur advice	02:19
zap	pretty avantgarde :)	02:19
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wazd	jag_: no problem, thats my job :D	02:19
jag_	zap: that software is called variseq and causes feedbacks	02:20
jag_	sometimes the rhythms can go uncontrollable	02:20
zap	:)	02:20
jag_	sometimes they go on for a long period of time with many subtle variations too	02:20
jag_	u wont know what u would get though ;)	02:20
wazd	jag_: you can write me to [drew.zhilin (at) gmail com] so we'll discuss this further :)	02:20
jag_	write what wazd?	02:21
jag_	what further?	02:21
wazd	jag_: anything :D	02:21
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jag_	lol	02:21
jag_	yeah	02:21
pupnik	share some code jag_ -- feedback can lead to interesting things	02:21
jag_	i would love to develop avant garde :D synths	02:22
wazd	jag_: well, if you'll decide to buy n8x0 and make a samling software, I can help you with UI designing :)	02:22
jag_	din is free software, u can download it...if u like..	02:22
jag_	compile it	02:22
jag_	make music with it :D	02:22
pupnik	ah i found it in scrollback - ty	02:22
zap	sometimes it's close to a violin	02:23
jag_	wazd: i would like to do stuff with peoples voices	02:23
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jag_	zap: wow! thank you mate	02:23
jag_	zap: work in progress but thanks :D	02:23
zap	oh my, that's a real violin? just read the description :)	02:23
zap	warm_milk.mp3	02:23
pupnik	btw wazd for some reason generator wouldn't work on my tablet - forgot what's broken - if you get it running let me know pls	02:23
jag_	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw	02:23
jag_	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw	02:24
jag_	aaaaaaaaaargh	02:24
jag_	yeah on that track my volume was really low	02:24
zap	jag_: no offence :)	02:24
wazd	pupnik: I am the LAST man on the planet to deal with compiling, porting or coding :D my hands are growing in the wrong direction :)	02:25
jag_	zap: i have layers of thick skin now	02:25
pupnik	wow there's a new turn of phrase for me	02:25
pupnik	got pictures of your hands? :)	02:25
jag_	wazd: i would like to sample voices of people and do processing with it in realtime	02:26
jag_	conver that into rhythms	02:26
lcuk_codin	pupnik, be afraid. if he reaches out to scratch his groin he will end up touchin his own ass	02:26
jag_	there could be predefined beat patterns which change with feedback	02:26
zap	jag_: how you control the volume of the instrument?	02:26
jag_	so they dont repeat all the time	02:27
wazd	pupnik: I think your breakfast would be on your carpet :D	02:27
jag_	zap: x is pitch, y is volume...see the screenshots...	02:27
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Grackle	Don't do it!	02:27
lcuk_codin	jag :) I was gonna code something like that today	02:27
Grackle	Use the napkins! The naaapkiiins!	02:27
wazd	jag_: can you post a link to your project again please?) I've lost it in logs(	02:28
jag_	http://code.google.com/p/din	02:28
jag_	lcuk_codin: oh cool, u can look at the code if u like	02:28
lcuk_codin	does it go down to 10hz?	02:28
lcuk_codin	i know jag_ :)	02:28
lcuk_codin	or some silly hz figure	02:28
jag_	10hz audio?	02:28
jag_	u cant hear it	02:29
jag_	maybe if u were a dog :D	02:29
jag_	or a cat	02:29
wazd	jag_: ah, compilling, I surrender :)	02:29
jag_	or a bat	02:29
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jag_	it can do the whole audio range	02:29
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jag_	20hz to 20khz	02:29
wazd	lcuk: you should deffinetely show some crazy awesome 4D liqbase interface stuff on the Summit :)	02:29
lcuk_codin	isnt 25mini mes in a scrollable displayport enough?	02:30
lcuk_codin	:P	02:31
* lcuk_codin has lots of little things which should be ready		02:31
jag_	wazd: http://code.google.com/p/din/wiki/Sound_Samples	02:31
jag_	wazd: if u want to listen to some 'music' :D	02:31
zap	jag_: what kind of synthesis you're using? plain FM?	02:31
wazd	that reminds me that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ	02:32
jag_	zap: its actually a new (forgotten, rediscovered) synthesis technique called bezier synthesis	02:32
jott	jag_: is your din supposed to compile with gcc 4? ;O	02:32
jag_	but it is additive synthesis	02:32
jag_	hi jott: maybe someone had a problem with a lower compiler i think	02:33
zap	jag_: I remember Yamaha bought an awesome method from some university to synthesize strings	02:33
jag_	zap: instead of summing sine waves to produce a complex waveform, you just draw the waveforms as bezier curves like you do in inkscape	02:33
zap	jag_: it was in their YMF7x4 audiocard drivers	02:33
jag_	zap: that is 80s stuff :)	02:33
zap	but it was the best software synth I ever heard	02:34
crashanddie	jag_, 10hz would be noticeable	02:34
zap	the acoustic guitar was just real	02:34
jag_	i dont know zap i havent heard dx7	02:34
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crashanddie	jag_, the biggest problem wouldn't be feeling/hearing it... It would be producing it... It's kinda rare to have an acoustic system that is able to produce a 10hz sounds	02:34
jag_	maybe u r right :)	02:34
zap	its not dx7, it was XG	02:34
jag_	maybe cras...i have tried going below 20hz but the speaker just pops	02:35
jag_	and its silence	02:35
jag_	at around 30hz	02:35
crashanddie	exactly what I'm saying :P	02:35
jag_	the volume is already quite low	02:35
jag_	and u can only 'feel' it	02:35
lcuk_codin	silence is good	02:35
wazd	jag_: that is quite like a violine :)	02:35
lcuk_codin	i want feedback tiny haptics	02:35
wazd	jag_: very close, nice work!	02:36
lcuk_codin	see if its possible to use the speaker	02:36
jag_	wazd: there is violin on 2 tracks	02:36
jag_	so watch out wazd	02:36
jag_	if u want to hear a track with just din hear this: http://din.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/33mins.mp3	02:36
wazd	jag: I've heard 145.mp3	02:36
jag_	wazd: yeah that is just din :D	02:36
jag_	and variseq on rhythms..u can hear his intro	02:37
jag_	lcuk: use the speaker?	02:37
jag_	after popping it?	02:37
lcuk_codin	whip it one way to the other with a square wave	02:38
lcuk_codin	give maximum movement possible to see if the user can feel it	02:38
zap	jag_: have you tried with a good mouse? It could make a difference	02:38
jag_	zap: yeah the mouse is very important..how light it is..clean it is..the surface!	02:39
jag_	but more money doesnt buy a better mouse though as far as ive seen it	02:39
zap	something like a infrared-laser 1600dpi 2.4GHz beast	02:39
jag_	zap: get me 1 zap, get me 1 :D	02:39
jag_	yeah have to try ..but the mouse has to be light	02:40
lcuk_codin	my ball mouse suddenly feels very old	02:40
jag_	actually lcuk that is very good	02:40
lcuk_codin	i know, i hate optical	02:40
jag_	the mouse in din is the bow	02:40
lcuk_codin	mechanical ftw :)	02:40
jag_	and bow is very important	02:40
jott	jag_: adding #include <math.h> to vector2d.h and compiling with -fpermissive worked :)	02:40
jag_	cool jott	02:40
lcuk_codin	jag, have you actually had it on a touch device yet	02:41
jag_	i will be pleased if u can get it running..u need opengl drivers too...	02:41
jag_	not mesa..something hardware accelerated	02:41
lcuk_codin	..need opengl hardware..	02:41
lcuk_codin	cough drivers	02:41
jag_	non-free i know ;)	02:41
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lcuk_codin	but why does it need gl?	02:41
jott	jag_: what is it using lg for?	02:41
jott	gl	02:42
lcuk_codin	i tohught it was audio	02:42
jag_	gl is the ui	02:42
jag_	on the screen the notes are marked	02:42
jag_	notes of the mode (called raga in indian classical music)	02:42
jott	now i need to find a way to make it sound :)	02:42
jag_	they are like guitar frets	02:42
jag_	dont make install	02:42
jott	1-4 cycles through some curve modes	02:42
jag_	goto src and run din	02:42
jott	sure..	02:42
jag_	yeah	02:43
jag_	those are the beziers	02:43
jag_	press esc from one of the curve modes	02:43
jott	how do i start the sound? ;)	02:43
jag_	u will come to the screen	02:43
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jag_	where u see notes marked	02:43
jag_	S g m d n S	02:43
jott	yea	02:43
jag_	if u place ur mouse in the bar u should get a sound do u get it?	02:44
jott	no :(	02:44
lcuk_codin	what mouse do we have?	02:44
jag_	ok	02:44
jag_	goto data directory	02:44
jag_	vi globals	02:44
jag_	and change SAMPLE_RATE 48000 to SAMPLE_RATE 44100	02:44
jott	ok	02:44
jag_	be careful cos i dont do xml parsing so ... :D	02:45
rm_you	hrm	02:45
rm_you	how do i include glib	02:45
rm_you	#include <glib.h> should be correct but fails?	02:45
rm_you	I hate C <_<	02:45
rm_you	i know its there somewhere	02:45
lcuk_codin	look at the makefile to the barcode stuff	02:45
rm_you	Java / python doesn't have this problem <_<	02:45
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jott	jag_: hm still no sound :/	02:45
jag_	u have to restart the program...i assume u have done it	02:46
jag_	do you have portaudio?	02:46
jott	ok	02:46
jott	killed some apps	02:46
jag_	no mp3s in the bg	02:46
jott	that might have blocked the audio..	02:46
jag_	yes	02:46
jag_	yes	02:46
jag_	dont pause the bg audio apps	02:46
jag_	u have to kill them yes	02:46
jott	no it makes weird sounds ;)	02:46
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jag_	yeah!!	02:47
jag_	wow	02:47
jag_	u r probably the first person that compiled it	02:47
jag_	and ran it	02:47
jag_	im close to tears now lol	02:47
lcuk_codin	jott is a superhero	02:47
jag_	ok	02:47
jag_	the instrument is over 3 octaves	02:47
lcuk_codin	jott, binary linkage?	02:47
jag_	ie S g m d n S g m d n S g m d n S	02:47
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jag_	is what u should see on the screen	02:47
lcuk_codin	infact, doesnt matter	02:48
lcuk_codin	im goin 2 bed	02:48
jott	yeah i see one octave...	02:48
jag_	the 1st S g m d n S is lower octave, then middle octave and high	02:48
jott	so S..S	02:48
jag_	yep	02:48
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jag_	S is tonic	02:48
lcuk_zzz	gnite folks	02:48
jott	nite lcuk_zzz	02:48
jag_	m = perfect fourth	02:48
jag_	just try to hit the notes marked and play the melody	02:48
jag_	for vibrato shake ur mouse in X	02:48
jag_	to change dynamic..move the mouse higher in the bar..the volume increases..	02:49
jag_	you basically make melodies..improvise...with these notes...S and m are sort of 'rest' notes	02:49
jag_	where u can pause when you improvise	02:49
jag_	resolve etc	02:49
jott	hehe i can see, it would be fun with a stylus ;)	02:51
jott	is there a way to edit the curves?	02:51
jag_	actually you can edit the curves	02:52
jag_	its a bit hairy tho :D	02:52
jag_	the triangles u see at the bottom of notes in lower and middle octaves	02:52
jott	heh hit the control points in subpixel accuracy? ;)	02:52
jag_	are sympathetic strings	02:52
jag_	they will vibrate in sympathy to your melody	02:53
jag_	just play a note and if u come down and out of the bar	02:53
jag_	the note will stop playing but the symps will be vibrating for some time	02:53
jag_	no curve editors have help	02:53
jag_	F1	02:53
jott	ah	02:53
jag_	on 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5	02:53
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jag_	1 = map editor (edits the resonators),	02:54
jott	hehe wasd for panning ;)	02:54
jag_	yep :)	02:54
jag_	i dont forget my roots	02:54
jag_	q & e for zooming	02:54
jag_	2 = waveform editor (this is the bezier waveform)	02:55
jag_	3 = channels editor (L and R you can change what is going into them for more spaced out sound)	02:55
jag_	4 = sympathiser response	02:55
jag_	5 = sympathiser waveform	02:55
jag_	its quite hairy i told u :D	02:55
jag_	the help will appear on the console...use ins/del to scroll up/down	02:57
jott	oops now it seg faulted :P	02:59
jag_	aaww	02:59
jag_	it does sometimes	02:59
jag_	with the curve edits	02:59
jag_	not when playing i can assure you ;)	02:59
jott	when playing without recording :P	03:00
jag_	when playing it segfaulted?	03:01
jag_	aaaww	03:01
jag_	it never does on me :D	03:01
jag_	yeah you can record phrases too have u tried that	03:02
jag_	dont go on for a long time though as stl vector can quickly fill up :D	03:02
jott	heh yeah funny project... start removing a bit of the gl gui stuff and port it to maemo ;)	03:02
jag_	could do	03:03
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jag_	basically will remove the editors once it is mature...joe user doesnt need all that sphaghetti	03:03
terbo	anyone else heard of millenicom?	03:04
jag_	thanks for compiling and taking it for a spin jott	03:04
jag_	hope u liked it too!	03:04
jag_	jott:what sort of system do u have?	03:05
jott	jag_: yeah it's a nice start, a bit unintuitive but that can be worked on ;)	03:05
jag_	what is unintuitive..?	03:06
jott	jag_: ubuntu hardy on a q6600 ..	03:06
jag_	jott:opengl drivers?	03:06
jott	jag_: well not so obvious what to do when you are not instructed ;)	03:06
jott	nvidia	03:06
jag_	hehe just like a real musical instrument u mean ;)	03:07
jott	hah ;>	03:07
jag_	yeah the curves etc	03:07
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jag_	the musician doesnt have to think about once its done	03:07
jag_	the cos the instrument will be in tune	03:07
jag_	so he will see the 'notes screen' only	03:08
jag_	of course if he wants he can go down editing	03:08
jott	yeah true	03:08
jag_	the thing now for me is	03:08
jag_	what sort of processing power i have with maemo/n810	03:08
jag_	to port	03:08
jag_	im happy i can code in c++	03:09
jag_	so most of the code goes unchanged	03:09
jott	well 400mhz arm...	03:09
jag_	also its all synthesised so no samples and calculations in realtime..no memory access etc..	03:09
jott	but this can't be too processor hungry ;)	03:09
jag_	im glad you got that impression :)	03:09
jott	well running on a 2.4ghz quad core atleast :P	03:10
jag_	how smooth is a stylus	03:10
jag_	the stylus	03:10
jag_	on n810	03:10
jott	smooth enough for sliding around	03:10
jag_	nice machine...eventually i will have 1000s of resonators running in multiple cores	03:10
jag_	that will be lot of fun	03:10
jag_	programming	03:10
jott	you could add a boxwave screen protector and get some extra sliding	03:10
jag_	what is that?	03:11
jott	basically just some plastic foil ;)	03:11
jag_	did u know u could wsad to scroll around that playing screen as well..i assume u would have	03:11
jott	yeah	03:11
jott	i figured that ;)	03:11
jag_	yeah	03:11
jag_	the quake idiom	03:11
jag_	its my small homage to JC	03:12
jag_	im so glad u got it...ive showed it to many ppl...and they didnt pick that out	03:12
jott	yeah your code needs some cleanup to be a bit more standard conform ;)	03:12
jag_	like where?	03:12
jag_	what are u looking at	03:13
jott	uh nothig in particular i looked at but tons of warnings while compiling	03:13
jott	and the need of -fpermissive ;)	03:13
jag_	yeah mostly casts	03:13
jag_	from floats to ints i guess	03:14
jott	and template stuff	03:14
jag_	ah yes templates i use a bit	03:14
budman	anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts?	03:14
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jag_	is it possible to run my synth while a call is in progress?	03:15
jott	jag_: uhm again, the n800/n810 does not have a gsm unit .. :)	03:16
jott	but it's a linux system so it supports multitasking ;)	03:16
jag_	what?	03:16
jag_	its not a phone?	03:16
jott	no	03:16
jag_	really?	03:17
jag_	i thought it was	03:17
jott	yeah well i guess lot's of people think that it is due to its nokia brand :/	03:17
jag_	aaaaaaaaaaaaw	03:17
jott	but it's still a gorgeous device	03:17
jag_	aaaaaaaaaaaw	03:18
jag_	surely in the near future a phone with maemo should come out from nokia	03:18
jott	for now i doubt that (with the near future at least)	03:19
jag_	hmm	03:19
jag_	man	03:20
pupnik	vgba on n810 is faster than visualboyadvance on my laptop :) RST38h	03:20
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jott	vgba runs great, i agree	03:21
pupnik	does the new version have scaling or xsp?	03:21
jott	hm the last i tested had 2x scaling	03:21
pupnik	ok i try ty	03:21
jott	but afair RST38h talked about working on 3x ..	03:22
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* unixSnob_ uses his n800 as a phone... an internet phone, that is.		03:23
pupnik	oh right - forgot how low res vba is	03:24
pupnik	in germany all the umts data packages (flatrates) say they forbid skype/voip	03:24
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pupnik	the ones i saw at least	03:25
unixSnob_	in fact, it could be used as a video phone	03:25
unixSnob_	yeah.. it sucks in germany. I think they're extra heavy on the net surveillance there too.	03:27
unixSnob_	I don't recall the context, but I was talking to a German and we came to the conclusion that we would have to tunnel our connections out of the country if we lived there	03:27
unixSnob_	gtg	03:27
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pupnik	cheers unixSnob_	03:32
pupnik	yes with the new data spying directive all your connections will be logged, and possibly tunneling/vpn/mix (tor) will be illegal in 2009	03:32
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rm_you	jott: sweet got it	03:44
rm_you	jott / lcuk_zzz : now to integrate into the UI	03:44
lcuk_zzz	im asleep, tell me tomorrow ;)	03:47
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dougb	is there an alt browser than the mozilla browser for os 2008?	03:50
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sven-tek	looks like i broke my dns system. once i edited /etc/resolv.conf, it seems to stay at its setting and doesnt change to what dhcp delivers.	03:51
jag_	jott: thanks for compiling and run my app	03:51
jag_	g2g thanks all.	03:52
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sven-tek	can someone post normal settings in /etc/resolv.conf please?	03:52
terbo	sven: mine seems to be set to 127.0.0.1 usually, since it uses a cache	03:52
sven-tek	ah	03:52
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sven-tek	thanks, localhost works	03:54
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GeneralAntilles	dougb, all the other browsers suck currently.	03:57
terbo	well. im digging links2. xlinks has some promise too.	03:58
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terbo	i really want w3m-img and will try and compile it soon..	03:59
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GeneralAntilles	lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19178&page=8	04:23
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johnx	yeah, GeneralAntilles, it's pretty awesome, calls me an amateur then asks me to elaborate...heh	04:30
GeneralAntilles	itT is seriously in the shitter.	04:30
GeneralAntilles	I'm just waiting for Mutiny32 to reopen his stupid PVR bug again.	04:31
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GeneralAntilles	Reggie should just drop the banhammer on his ass and be done with it	04:34
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terbo	tell me how that millenicom works out :) Im´looking at a slug right now	04:58
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GeneralAntilles	OK, so far I've crashed the iPhone twice trying to browse the AppStore.	05:46
GeneralAntilles	So much for being so much more reliable than the tablets. . . .	05:46
johnx	The grass is always greener...	05:47
rm_you	lollerpwnt	05:47
GeneralAntilles	I don't get the "it's so much faster than the tablet" people, I've always found it to be on par or even somewhat slower than the tablet. . . .	05:49
johnx	I find their push messaging to be a very interesting idea	05:50
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GeneralAntilles	lol, all the games on here are old Mac games from 4 years ago that've been ported.	05:54
gramulhaozin	hey guys	05:55
gramulhaozin	:P	05:55
johnx	hey gramulhaozin	05:55
gramulhaozin	bought a n810 today :P	05:55
johnx	GeneralAntilles, i dunno. Monkeyball looked kinda fun shrugs	05:55
gramulhaozin	happy	05:55
johnx	gramulhaozin, congrats. Liking it so far?	05:55
gramulhaozin	but it's coming the mail :P	05:55
GeneralAntilles	johnx, maybe, but it's also $10	05:56
gramulhaozin	I want to get a toolchain and make a software for my business on it	05:56
bef0rd	~sdk	05:56
infobot	Software Development Kit	05:56
GeneralAntilles	Wish the categories were sortable. . . .	05:56
gramulhaozin	johnx: how long does it takes for an 810 to bootup ?	05:56
johnx	gramulhaozin, from cold power off: ~30 seconds. From normal standby: basically instant	05:57
gramulhaozin	nice	05:57
gramulhaozin	does it comes with a car charger ?	05:57
gramulhaozin	I'm going to leave it in the car	05:57
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gramulhaozin	hope it likes the hot florida weather 60 degres inside the car	05:57
gramulhaozin	30 seconds is good	05:58
gramulhaozin	I'm going to get it for the customers to sign their "service orders"	05:58
johnx	it'll stay on standby for a long time, so there's not much need to ever turn it all the way off	05:58
gramulhaozin	just like UPS does with the packages	05:58
johnx	that's pretty cool	05:58
gramulhaozin	I would need a jelly skin for it	05:59
gramulhaozin	to make a little bit more solid	05:59
gramulhaozin	and would try to make it talk with my metropcs phone to get internet	05:59
GeneralAntilles	I wouldn't leave it in the car	05:59
GeneralAntilles	Your battery will be shot by fall.	05:59
gramulhaozin	GeneralAntilles: If I don't leave in the car I will forget it at home so I have no other choice	06:00
johnx	leave it in the glovebox if you need to	06:00
GeneralAntilles	Get in the habit of keeping it in a pocket. ;)	06:00
johnx	...I think that might be a little cooler	06:00
gramulhaozin	does anyone had it working with Bluetooth internet from the cell phone ?	06:01
johnx	lots of people	06:01
gramulhaozin	I am going to try to pair it with my motorolla cell and use dialup from the cell phone	06:01
johnx	not me though. no bt on my cell phone	06:01
johnx	if your moto supports BT DUN you should be fine	06:01
gramulhaozin	yep it does	06:02
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johnx	jeez, I forgot how fast sd could be	06:28
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summatusmentis	gramulhaozin: google around, depending on your cell provider, you might need to hack your handset a bit so it doesn't show up as DUN traffic	06:30
summatusmentis	but I use DUN from my centro just fine	06:31
gramulhaozin	I used it before with my laptop	06:32
gramulhaozin	It was really slow, but worked	06:32
summatusmentis	some carriers will cancel contracts if they find people using DUN	06:33
terbot	im on sprint pam right now .. its not bad, good enough for irc and some web browseing	06:34
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summatusmentis	I'm using sprint and USBModem	06:34
summatusmentis	no pam plan >_>	06:34
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terbot	i dont have pam either but am thinking about it. kind of .. testing it out.	06:36
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gramulhaozin	I use metropcs cheapass	06:40
terbot	cheapass? lol	06:44
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ttmrichter	Anybody present that can help me figure out an application manager problem?	06:57
johnx	with using app manager? or hacking on it?	06:57
ttmrichter	Well, with getting the OS2008 update to work. It's listing well over a dozen applications that it can't find for the upgrade.	06:59
ttmrichter	Looking at gronmeyer's (sp?) repository list, I can't find ANY repos that have the apps in question.	06:59
johnx	are you in chinook trying to install the diablo "feature upgrade" through app manager?	07:00
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ttmrichter	I'm in Diablo trying to install the Diablo feature upgrade.	07:00
johnx	hmm	07:01
johnx	would you mind running apt-get upgrade from the command line and putting the result on pastebin.com?	07:02
ttmrichter	Dammit! Now I can't connect to the device either. :(	07:02
ttmrichter	That's what I was just trying to do.	07:02
johnx	ah :\|	07:02
ttmrichter	No path to device.	07:02
ttmrichter	Although I'm browsing OUT from the device no problems.	07:02
johnx	try running a ping from the device, then sshing to it	07:03
ttmrichter	Ummm.... What?	07:03
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johnx	sometimes the power savings on the device seem to prevent it from receiving packets	07:04
johnx	the CAM timeout is very agressive	07:04
ttmrichter	So what exactly am I supposed to do?	07:04
johnx	on the device, run ping google.com	07:04
GeneralAntilles	Did you turn Red Pill on?	07:04
johnx	on your desktop, try to ssh to the device	07:04
GeneralAntilles	Why do people see a feature upgrade with Diablo. :\	07:04
ttmrichter	Yes, Red Pill is on.	07:04
GeneralAntilles	Turn it off. <_<	07:04
* ttmrichter sighs.		07:05
ttmrichter	Ping wants root.	07:05
GeneralAntilles	I wish people wouldn't recommend Red Pill.	07:05
ttmrichter	Su wants root.	07:06
GeneralAntilles	I doubt 1 in 10 of the people that turn it on actually need it. . . .	07:06
ttmrichter	So to get root access -- su -- I need to be root.	07:06
ttmrichter	Who the HELL makes this stuff?	07:06
GeneralAntilles	~rootsh	07:06
infobot	rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/	07:06
johnx	ttmrichter, you have ssh installed? ssh root@localhost	07:06
johnx	ttmrichter, Nokia :/	07:06
johnx	but seriously, I know what you mean	07:06
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ttmrichter	OK, I'm out of red pill.	07:07
ttmrichter	Still not able to connect inbound, even though I'm hitting outbound just fine (not with ping, mind).	07:08
GeneralAntilles	Is the update still visible.	07:08
GeneralAntilles	?	07:08
ttmrichter	It's in the installed apps list, but not in the installable.	07:09
johnx	as it should be :)	07:09
johnx	ttmrichter, ok, here's what's up: your router likely isn't playing well with the aggressive power savings on the tablet. to test if this might be the problem, try starting a ping. This will keep the powersavings from kicking in long enough for you to test whether you can ssh into it or not	07:09
johnx	if that doesn't help it may be that ssh isn't running for some reason or there may be another problem	07:10
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khertan	Hi !	07:10
ttmrichter	Well, getting to the ping is a bit of a problem right now. ;)	07:10
ttmrichter	I'm still working on that.	07:10
johnx	ttmrichter, you have ssh. ssh root@localhost	07:10
johnx	right?	07:10
khertan	my n810 don't boot ... again !	07:10
khertan	blank screen ...	07:10
ttmrichter	That's what I'm trying. I was concentrating on getting rid of red pill mode first.	07:10
khertan	tired of flashed it	07:11
GeneralAntilles	khertan, install bootmenu	07:11
ttmrichter	OK, ssh doesn't like the host key of the device it's installed on.	07:11
GeneralAntilles	Then you can ssh in with usbnet and fix it.	07:11
ttmrichter	Head. Meet desk. Repeatedly. "Hi there."	07:11
rm_you	jott: >_>	07:11
khertan	GeneralAntilles: so i suppose it s available now for the firmware, if you suggest me :)	07:12
johnx	ttmrichter, hmm? it says "unknown key" or conflicting key?	07:12
GeneralAntilles	khertan, has been since about Diablo week 2. ;)	07:12
ttmrichter	Conflicting key. I got rid of it.	07:13
ttmrichter	I HAVE ROOT! YAY!	07:13
GeneralAntilles	We should send a team of baby sitters over to fanoush's place so he can finish up all the cool bootmenu features he's got in the pipeline.	07:13
ttmrichter	I am pinging google. I still can't ping IN to the device.	07:13
johnx	ttmrichter, alright, try ssh -v user@your-tablet	07:14
ttmrichter	So while ping google.com is live, ssh says "no route to host".	07:14
johnx	ah, ok	07:14
khertan	when i try to download the last firmware i get a 27.7Mo	07:14
johnx	ttmrichter, and you're 100% sure that you have the IP right (not trying to be a jerk, just wondering)	07:15
khertan	file	07:15
ttmrichter	I'm positive.	07:15
ttmrichter	Oh, hang on.	07:15
khertan	nokia should really do something with their server...	07:15
ttmrichter	No, I don't. What the connection manager is reporting and what ifconfig is reporting are very, very different.	07:15
ttmrichter	The connection is configured as 192.168.0.104 and ifconfig is reporting 192.168.0.200.	07:16
ttmrichter	Interesting.	07:16
johnx	that's pretty strange	07:16
GeneralAntilles	khertan, works fine here.	07:16
budman	anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts?	07:16
ttmrichter	It's even stranger, johnx.	07:17
ttmrichter	The network manager applet is set for static IP. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for dhcp.	07:17
ttmrichter	Why the radical disconnect there?	07:17
johnx	ttmrichter, I think /etc/network/interfaces isn't used on OS200x/maemo	07:18
ttmrichter	It appears it is.	07:18
ttmrichter	Because the 200 is where my DHCP server starts handing out addresses.	07:18
ttmrichter	I reserve the lower 100 addresses for static wire IP and the second 100 for static wireless IPs.	07:19
ttmrichter	So any address that's 200+ in the final digit is DHCP-served.	07:19
ttmrichter	So it's going by the settings in /etc/network/interfaces instead of by the settings specified in the connection.	07:19
johnx	or it's getting the dhcp thing from somewhere else	07:20
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johnx	ttmrichter, my /etc/network/interfaces has no entry for wlan0	07:21
johnx	only for eth0 and usb0	07:21
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ttmrichter	Oh, it's eth0 I was looking at.	07:23
ttmrichter	My mistake. I conflated eth0 with wlan0.	07:23
johnx	right, so either you have static set for another wireless network and dhcp set for this one or the connection manager isn't paying attention to your settings	07:24
johnx	the connection manager being flaky is definitely a possibility	07:24
ttmrichter	OK, I've deleted the wireless entry and re-entered all the data.	07:25
ttmrichter	See if that works better.	07:25
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ttmrichter	Nope. Still getting the wrong address.	07:26
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johnx	anyone else having a problem with your tablet using dhcp when set to static? I can't check on mine right now...	07:27
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ttmrichter	OK, now it's going right.	07:31
johnx	did you change something?	07:31
ttmrichter	I deleted the entry. Rebooted the tablet. Re-entered the connection entry.	07:31
ttmrichter	It looks like this was an artifact of my upgrade to Diablo.	07:32
johnx	ah, maybe	07:32
johnx	I bet that static IP setups don't get the same kind of testing as DHCP	07:33
ttmrichter	Most people probably just use the DHCP, yeah.	07:33
ttmrichter	I use static because I have to connect to the device all the time and it's a pain in the ass to try and track down which IP it has this week.	07:33
khertan	FIASCO subimage data length mismatch	07:33
khertan	GRRRRR	07:33
ttmrichter	OK, this gets us back to the initial problem. Which was solved by turning off Red Pill Mode. :D	07:34
khertan	wrong md5	07:34
johnx	ttmrichter, same here. I staticly assign DHCP addresses on my router to certain MAC addresses	07:34
ttmrichter	Thanks guys. You're a credit to the community.	07:34
johnx	ttmrichter, glad everything's figured out	07:34
ttmrichter	I did that for a while, but my router sucks and occasionally gets confused.	07:34
khertan	firmware server suck !	07:34
ttmrichter	I need to get a dd-wrt capable router.	07:34
johnx	in the future you might want to use apt-get instead of re-enabling red-pill mode	07:34
ttmrichter	I can't even remember why I turned on red pill.	07:35
GeneralAntilles	khertan, try downloading with a different client?	07:35
ttmrichter	It was kind of a reflex thing.	07:35
johnx	some package probably needed it to install	07:35
khertan	GeneralAntilles: done	07:35
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khertan	wget and firefox	07:35
ttmrichter	So... What is new in Diablo anyway? :D	07:35
khertan	now link	07:35
johnx	ttmrichter, there's a new bug with static IP addresses :)	07:36
ttmrichter	Wow! What a coincidence! I think I may have spotted that one just a few minutes ago! :D	07:36
johnx	ttmrichter, new email client, in place upgrades after this, some various bug fixes and tweaks	07:36
ttmrichter	New email client?	07:36
GeneralAntilles	~diablo-changelog	07:36
infobot	methinks diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr	07:36
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ttmrichter	OH NO! They took away bme-dbus-proxy. :(	07:37
ttmrichter	(What is bme-dbus-proxy?)	07:37
johnx	ttmrichter, and replaced it with something better :)	07:37
johnx	bme-hald-addon wins :)	07:37
ttmrichter	This was a joke. ;)	07:37
GeneralAntilles	~no diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha	07:38
ttmrichter	Ooh! Proper Chinese font support!	07:38
infobot	okay, GeneralAntilles	07:38
johnx	ttmrichter, heh...it actually made life difficult for me and Stskeeps a couple days back :)	07:38
ttmrichter	That's actually useful for me. (Guess where I live....)	07:38
ttmrichter	Do they have Chinese input yet or is that coming Real Soon Now?	07:38
ttmrichter	(If they had full Chinese support I could sell a hundred of these things -- all my students love it!)	07:38
GeneralAntilles	cjk input is provided by 3rd parties	07:38
johnx	there was a third party CJK setup, but I don't know if it caught up to diablo yet	07:39
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johnx	it's usable, but not that fun :/	07:39
ttmrichter	I tried the 3rd party CJK. It was not...good.	07:39
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ttmrichter	Ooh. Proper GPG now too.	07:39
ttmrichter	Nokia, however, seems to be losing its marketing edge.	07:40
johnx	hmm?	07:40
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ttmrichter	For years it was THE brand name to trust in mobile phones in China. Now it's slipping fast. Not releasing high-profile devices with proper CJK support is a major factor in this.	07:40
ttmrichter	Samsung is now kicking Nokia's ass all ways to Sunday over this.	07:41
johnx	the tablet project isn't very close to the phone department	07:41
ttmrichter	The phones have the same problem.	07:41
johnx	AFAIK	07:41
johnx	right, but that's a different problem :)	07:41
ttmrichter	The big multimedia smartphones had delayed CJK support.	07:41
ttmrichter	It's like Nokia is resting on its reputation in China instead of going after the market.	07:41
johnx	entirely possible	07:42
johnx	I wouldn't really know	07:42
* ttmrichter sighs.		07:42
ttmrichter	So now I have to watch flash crap on my tablet? :D	07:42
johnx	nah, turn it the heck off	07:42
* johnx stabs flash		07:42
ttmrichter	I quite enjoy the flash-free web.	07:43
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ttmrichter	I use NoScript on my desktop and will be turning flash off on my tablet as soon as I figure out how.	07:43
johnx	turn it off or install flashblock	07:43
ttmrichter	This is the new mozilla browser, right?	07:44
unixSnob_	no worries ttmrichter, most of the flash content out on the web is not compatible with that of OS2008 anyway	07:44
ttmrichter	It's just a plug-in?	07:44
GeneralAntilles	What exactly is the appeal of Fring?	07:44
ttmrichter	Fring?	07:44
GeneralAntilles	Flash is always a plugin. . . .	07:44
GeneralAntilles	unixSnob_, Flash works fine here.	07:44
* GeneralAntilles eyeroll		07:44
johnx	ttmrichter, well, it's the same mozilla based browser as we've had for several months, but yeah, flash is just a plugin	07:44
ttmrichter	The chinook browser was mozilla?	07:44
GeneralAntilles	Same Mozilla-based browser we've had for almost a year now	07:45
ttmrichter	Wow. I never even noticed.	07:45
GeneralAntilles	Ugh http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204278&postcount=15	07:45
GeneralAntilles	Just upgrade from your pre-Chinook release. <_<	07:45
gramulhaozin	hey guys	07:45
unixSnob_	check out bbc news.. none of the content works in OS2008 -- along with every other site I've visited since I updated to the latest version	07:45
ttmrichter	I can't check out BBC news: it's blocked. :D	07:46
ttmrichter	I can get it on my desktop through my SSH tunnel, but I don't have such a tunnel set up on the tablet.	07:46
ttmrichter	Hmmm... Sounds like an applet to me: simple SSH proxy tunnel that I can turn on or off in the status bar.	07:47
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GeneralAntilles	Talk about an orgy of the worst advice ever in the Fring thread. . . .	07:48
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CosmicRay	hi folks. I recently reflashed my n810 using the latest official nokia firmware (diablo). I wanted to install gpg on it. when I ssh'd in and ran apt-get install gnupg, it complains about osso-softare-version-rx44 depending on flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher none of which are installed	07:49
CosmicRay	apt-get -f install offers to install them	07:49
CosmicRay	should I? is it normal to have the missing?	07:49
CosmicRay	will it hurt to install them?	07:49
CosmicRay	incidentally apt-get -f install also will remove osso-software-version-rx44	07:49
Italodance	is this diablo? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2111&stc=1&d=1216405616	07:50
GeneralAntilles	apt-get -f install	07:50
johnx	CosmicRay, gnupg should be installed with diablo	07:50
GeneralAntilles	Googling for those will give you some background	07:50
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CosmicRay	ah. so it is.	07:50
johnx	CosmicRay, actually hang on a second	07:50
gramulhaozin	hey guys	07:50
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gramulhaozin	N810 or HTC 9685 (att tilt ) ?	07:51
GeneralAntilles	Italodance, that's Debian hacked up into some sort of chroot insanity.	07:51
johnx	gramulhaozin, yes	07:51
johnx	GeneralAntilles, he doesn't want to remove osso-software-version-rx44 :)	07:51
johnx	CosmicRay, did you try and install gnupg with a .deb file?	07:51
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GeneralAntilles	apt-get -f install souldn't be removing it. :\	07:51
CosmicRay	johnx: no. I was considering it.	07:51
johnx	GeneralAntilles, read his message	07:51
CosmicRay	GeneralAntilles: that may be because of a libbz2 newer version, not sure.	07:52
CosmicRay	johnx: I have gnupg 1.4.6-2maemo1	07:52
GeneralAntilles	You can reinstall it later without issue	07:52
johnx	fair enough I guess	07:52
CosmicRay	I wouldn't know where to find gnupg for maemo. wasn't on maemo.org. was going to get it from mdebian if I couldn't find it there.	07:52
CosmicRay	odd that gnupg shows up in apt/dpkg but not the gui package manager.	07:52
Italodance	GeneralAntilles tnx	07:52
johnx	gnupg is included with diablo I think	07:53
* johnx checks		07:53
johnx	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html	07:53
CosmicRay	I did google for the packages in question	07:53
CosmicRay	came up with 1 hit, in -- apparently -- russian	07:54
johnx	but you didn't check to see if they were installed already? :P	07:54
CosmicRay	so my need for apt-get is gone in this instance, so I can safely ignore this I guess	07:54
CosmicRay	not gnupg, no. it never occured to me that it might be, I guess	07:54
CosmicRay	not used to computers coming with gpg preinstalled ;-)	07:54
johnx	still, you'll want to get flash-and-reboot so that apt-get doesn't complain in the future	07:54
johnx	apt-get -f install should be safe if all that it wants to remove is osso-software-version-rx44	07:55
CosmicRay	that is indeed all it wants to remove	07:56
CosmicRay	there is also some gstreamer updatage occuring	07:56
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CosmicRay	I'm a debian developer so I am good enough with apt to be quite dangerous, but bad enough with maemo to have no clue what these packages do	07:56
johnx	yeah, the first rule is: maemo is not debian :)	07:56
johnx	I found that out painfully	07:56
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johnx	not all packages are in repositories (and available for easy reinstall)	07:57
CosmicRay	which, incidentally, is a pet peeve of mine about the packages listed in the package manager. It seems 80% of the packages on maemo.org say "Maemo version of frotzbangbaz" without telling me what that is	07:57
CosmicRay	johnx: this is why I stopped by this channel ;-)	07:57
johnx	there's a ton of semi-incompatible releases	07:57
CosmicRay	heh	07:57
rm_you	johnx: woot :P	07:57
johnx	and repos all over the place	07:57
johnx	rm_you, w00?	07:57
rm_you	jott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: got it pulling UPC codes from the database	07:57
GeneralAntilles	Well, SSU should largely solve the packages-not-available issue	07:58
rm_you	checked in r37	07:58
rm_you	can now scan things and it will say what they are :P	07:58
johnx	GeneralAntilles, I was pretty sure there was still some unavailable stuff	07:58
CosmicRay	question #2 is, and I have tested and googled for this... Why does the retrieve "messages and attachments" option in the diablo mail client not actually retrieve message bodies until you click on a message? (Dunno if it did in previous releases, that mail client sucked too much to use)	07:58
rm_you	:P	07:58
johnx	CosmicRay, anyways, check which repo those gstreamer updates are coming from	07:58
GeneralAntilles	johnx, sure, not everything has been updated	07:58
GeneralAntilles	Give it time	07:58
CosmicRay	yes I do have a handful of 3rd-party repos	07:58
GeneralAntilles	Once every package has had an update pushed via SSU. . . .	07:59
johnx	GeneralAntilles, You're so optimistic it's heart warming :)	07:59
GeneralAntilles	Not optimistic	07:59
GeneralAntilles	That's just the way it has to be	07:59
GeneralAntilles	If an update is pushed via SSU, it has to be in a repo.	07:59
GeneralAntilles	There's no way around that.	07:59
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nelson	is it just me, or is Diablo all fucked up?	08:00
johnx	if by all fucked up you mean delicious, then no	08:00
nelson	by all fucked up I mean that you can't install (e.g.) camera because /tmp is too small.	08:01
GeneralAntilles	Just you.	08:01
GeneralAntilles	http://www.fring.com/linux/N810.install They have got to be shitting me.	08:02
GeneralAntilles	SDK repo _ON DEVICE_?	08:02
GeneralAntilles	Hello, reboot loop. . . .	08:02
johnx	CosmicRay, sorry, not booted into OS200x right now. can't check the mail client. Just make sure that the gstreamer packages aren't the ones conflicting with osso-software-version-rx44	08:02
gramulhaozin	anyone wants to buy an N810 NEW IN THE BOX NEVER TOUCHED for 317 ?	08:02
gramulhaozin	USD	08:02
CosmicRay	johnx: pretty sure not	08:03
CosmicRay	I think it's two separate issues	08:03
johnx	then go for it I guess	08:03
CosmicRay	I'm in the "don't fix what ain't broken" camp	08:03
johnx	fair enough	08:03
CosmicRay	my n810 is working fine, gpg is there, I won't touch it ;-)	08:03
nelson	reboot FTW	08:04
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johnx	CosmicRay, I just think it's easier to deal with it now then wait until you want to install something else only to have apt-get complain at you... Your choice of course :)	08:04
CosmicRay	I am used to dealing with apt-get complaints.	08:05
CosmicRay	I run sid on my workstations. ;-)	08:05
CosmicRay	nelson: your name sounds very familiar but I can't quite place it.	08:05
nelson	CosmicRay: google for "russ"	08:06
johnx	nelson, if you still have problems after reboot you might want to see if something is hogging all your /tmp space	08:06
nelson	CosmicRay: context: packet drivers, freemacs, qmail, open source initiative.	08:06
CosmicRay	nelson: it appears you make people happy, own a restaurant, and are a cultural phenomenon in Norway ;-)	08:07
CosmicRay	ah!	08:07
nelson	johnx: the reboot fixed it.	08:07
nelson	CosmicRay: all of the above!	08:07
CosmicRay	heh	08:07
nelson	ZOMG I'm not on the top page anymore.	08:07
CosmicRay	heh	08:08
nelson	oh, how the mighty have fallen!	08:08
johnx	keep hanging out here. The maemo irc logs show up on google a lot :)	08:08
CosmicRay	I suspect I used your packet drivers and maybe talked with you when I was on the SPI board?	08:08
CosmicRay	or maybe I just read your mails during the Nth Great Unpleasantness ;-)	08:08
nelson	CosmicRay: probably the latter. Yep, likely. :-)	08:09
CosmicRay	hehe	08:09
CosmicRay	incidentally, googling for john will not find me.	08:09
GeneralAntilles	The ASSIGNED practice in Bugzilla seems really random. . . .	08:09
CosmicRay	I am also confused about the "last updated" field in the new mail client	08:10
CosmicRay	send & receive doesn't seem to make it update	08:10
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nelson	should /tmp be only 512k?	08:19
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rm_you	i dont even make the front page of google for my LAST name >_<	08:21
rm_you	and i dont really have a common last name :/	08:21
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GeneralAntilles	Woo second hit	08:28
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mib_4wlxyu	anyone have the iphone keyboard working?	09:04
tank-man	wrong channel?	09:05
mib_4wlxyu	for the n800	09:05
mib_4wlxyu	is there a different channel that i might be better suited asking in?	09:05
tank-man	i dont know what an iphone keyboard is	09:06
mib_4wlxyu	http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/	09:06
mib_4wlxyu	its just the iphone keyboard but on the n800, the iphone is a popular cell phone going around.	09:06
mib_4wlxyu	which has its own touch screen keyboard layout.	09:07
johnx	it was never released. apparently it didn't work out too well	09:08
mib_4wlxyu	are they any other alternate keyboard layouts? I installed ukeyboards	09:09
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GAN800	Jaffa, poke.	09:11
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johnx	mib_4wlxyu, well there's a dvorak layout here: http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/	09:14
johnx	and you could always make your own hint, hint, poke, poke	09:14
mib_4wlxyu	thanks	09:15
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GAN800	Hrm, who added a captcha to the wiki?	09:16
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GAN800	http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla&rcid=5041	09:26
GAN800	if anybody wants to jump in.	09:26
gramulhaozin	hey guys	09:27
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atul	Hi facing "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" Inside Scratch-box. Why so ? and How to fix ?	09:42
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XTLi	I guess that isn't set by the target..	09:48
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XTLi	Wiki says it overrides a conffile setting	09:49
atul	XTLi, so how to do it ?	09:49
XTLi	It shouldn't be an error, I think	09:50
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XTLi	But you can just set (export) it if you wnt	09:50
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XTLi	Unless your target really doesn't have cpu transparency set.	09:51
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Italodance	http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/	09:58
Italodance	:D	09:58
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gramulhaozin	hey	10:02
gramulhaozin	is it easy to get online from blueetooth dun ?	10:03
johnx	gramulhaozin, it should be, yes	10:03
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gramulhaozin	johnx: do you use it ?	10:04
johnx	nope. but a lot of other people do	10:04
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hrw	morning	10:27
johnx	mornin' :)	10:27
Jaffa	gramulhaozin: BT DUN is supposed out-of-the-box.	10:30
gramulhaozin	Jaffa: got it	10:31
gramulhaozin	it's nice	10:31
Jaffa	cool	10:31
gramulhaozin	I was thinking about it	10:31
gramulhaozin	and saw a video on youtube about it	10:31
gramulhaozin	Jaffa: is the GPS still really slow ?	10:32
Jaffa	A-GPS helps	10:36
hrw	a bit	10:37
gramulhaozin	Jaffa: no the regular GPS on the N810	10:38
gramulhaozin	does it takes 5 minutes to find the sattelites still ?	10:38
hrw	gramulhaozin: n810 gps is a-gps	10:39
hrw	gramulhaozin: and for Diablo there is application to fetch satelite datas for agps.	10:39
hrw	but it looks like each time when gps is started it do cold fix instead of trying to reuse data from last fix	10:39
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gramulhaozin	a-gps is different from GPS ?	10:40
johnx	AGPS = assisted GPS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS	10:42
gramulhaozin	Jaffa: but why does it take 5 minutes to get gps lock on the N810 ?	10:44
johnx	gramulhaozin, it has a crappy GPS chipset and/or antenna and you're not using the A-GPS support	10:45
johnx	gramulhaozin, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987	10:45
gramulhaozin	johnx: you mean on the N810 ?	10:45
johnx	yes	10:45
gramulhaozin	my old ass gps locks in about 30 seconds	10:46
gramulhaozin	it's and old ass navman	10:46
johnx	that's nice	10:47
gramulhaozin	a-gps uses the internet right ?	10:47
johnx	it can use different methods to assist the GPS	10:47
johnx	it's a whole bunch of technologies	10:47
gramulhaozin	johnx: so without a-gps how long does it takes to lock ?	10:48
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johnx	I don't even have an n810, but it would depend on the situation	10:49
johnx	no offense, but this has all been covered before. Try searching.	10:49
hrw	gramulhaozin: with or without it can takes eons or seconds	10:49
hrw	usually longer then shorter	10:49
gramulhaozin	johnx:	10:50
gramulhaozin	people are saying 5 minutes	10:50
gramulhaozin	3 minutes	10:50
zap	VERY IMPORTANT WARNING TO THOSE WHO USE sudser: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205356&postcount=15	10:51
johnx	gramulhaozin, well those are certainly between seconds and eons, so I'd be inclined to agree that those are possible numbers	10:52
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gramulhaozin	wow	10:53
gramulhaozin	but that's slow ass	10:53
qwerty12	zap: if you want to be really geeky, keyboard + fb_update_mode would let you enter a password :/	10:53
gramulhaozin	need to go to Home Depot, okay wait 10 minutes to find satellite lock	10:53
gramulhaozin	that's alot	10:53
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X-Fade	gramulhaozin: With a-gps I normally get fixes in about a minute.	10:54
johnx	it depends on the conditions	10:54
hrw	X-Fade: lucky you	10:54
gramulhaozin	so I would not think about n810 as a GPS	10:54
johnx	gramulhaozin, having a clear view of the of southern sky helps, using A-GPS helps, getting a warm fix helps	10:54
hrw	my n810 usually starts from 0/0 satelites even if I use a-gps ui before	10:54
XTLi	Haven't tried very recently	10:54
pupnik	right gramulhaozin	10:54
gramulhaozin	:(	10:54
hrw	I think that it should start from 0/11 0/12 after agps-ui use... or after older fix	10:55
X-Fade	hrw: With a-gps I get my 12 sats info in about 30 seconds.	10:55
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gramulhaozin	I will try that	10:55
pupnik	usually i only get 4 and no lock (trees, germany)	10:55
gramulhaozin	I wanted to trow away my old ass navman	10:55
pupnik	no not with a n810	10:55
gramulhaozin	but looks like it will need to stay	10:55
pupnik	depends on your location and enviro though	10:55
johnx	pupnik, maybe try climbing one of the trees	10:55
pupnik	i really have no problem walking out into the middile of a park	10:56
pupnik	and holding my n810 up towards the sun and freezing in that position for 5 minutes	10:56
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gramulhaozin	wow	10:56
pupnik	if anyone asks i'll mumble something about facing the sleeper beneath the sea	10:56
gramulhaozin	5 minutes dude	10:56
gramulhaozin	that's unusable	10:57
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pupnik	and like the shoggoths	10:57
aquatix	does the gps subsystem remember the last lock?	10:57
aquatix	*fix	10:57
gramulhaozin	I hate to have 300 gears in the car	10:57
gramulhaozin	my car doesn't have any space for anything	10:57
X-Fade	aquatix: Only within 2 minutes orso.	10:57
XTLi	Not woth that shifter, I'm sure	10:57
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johnx	XTL, that's exactly what I was thinking :D	10:58
pupnik	X-Fade: will agps 'learn' about wifi spots as it passes by them?	10:58
florian	hi all	10:58
johnx	my car only has 6 gears (including reverse) :/	10:58
X-Fade	pupnik: I don't think so.	10:58
X-Fade	pupnik: That is why there is a request for GeoClue -> a-gps ;)	10:59
johnx	pupnik, that might make a neat thing to do with dbus-scripts though in the reverse order	10:59
pupnik	ah ty	10:59
johnx	on connect -> add a tag to the current network with it's lat/lon	10:59
pupnik	johnx: how reverse? if gps has a lock and it sees a wifi, it would be nice to save that info	10:59
pupnik	oh i see yes	11:00
pupnik	that would be 3rd party doable :)	11:00
johnx	make a database of wifi point locations :)	11:00
pupnik	well i think kismet can do this	11:00
pupnik	and it's preferable to active scanning	11:00
X-Fade	maemo-plazer :)	11:00
* johnx really needs to get a bt gps		11:01
gramulhaozin	johnx: frustrated with the built in gps ?	11:02
johnx	johnx has an n800	11:03
johnx	no GPS for him :/	11:03
johnx	pupnik, and kismet is pretty shaky even in the best situation	11:03
pupnik	stability?	11:05
johnx	monitor mode isn't exactly awesome on the cx3110x	11:05
pupnik	on 770 it was solid for me. haven't used much on n810, but i remember some problems initializing	11:05
johnx	there are some...issues on the n8x0 systems	11:05
johnx	it seems like it's working but it seems to create hundreds of "ghost" access points or something	11:06
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johnx	anyways, I don't want a db of thousands of locked down, non-public access points. All I want to add are places where I've successfully used an AP	11:06
johnx	the maemo-plazer thing looks nice for that	11:07
gramulhaozin	john ?do you ever drive somewhere just to get free internet ?	11:08
johnx	heh...definitely not	11:08
johnx	my car is sitting parked in another country right now :)	11:08
pupnik	funny lwn (lkml, linus, and funny comments)	11:08
qwerty12	Be careful what you say here, this channel is logged and I send a copy to the government every week.	11:08
johnx	qwerty12, :P	11:09
qwerty12	hehe	11:09
derf	This channel's logs _do_ show up often in Google searches.	11:09
qwerty12	Meh, I'd probably get incriminated with some of the stuff I've said on here :P	11:10
pupnik	johnx, you do understand that my original query was about collecting snapshots of wlans at various locations for storage in a local cache that can be searched (quickly) for currently-in-range wlans and thereby retrieve their gps locations for the assist. just to be clear.	11:10
johnx	pupnik, aaah, nope, I read it the same way x-fade did	11:10
johnx	nevermind, actually I just only thought of half of why it would be cool	11:11
pupnik	ok	11:11
johnx	but I get it now	11:11
pupnik	that database might be quite large... depending on how often/far you travel	11:11
johnx	the only hard part would be feeding it back into A-GPS	11:11
pupnik	yep	11:11
pupnik	i could also make a nice algo for the cache	11:12
johnx	but an additional field that confirmed that a certain AP in that db was an open, public AP you'd successfully used before would be nice too	11:12
pupnik	oh sure	11:12
johnx	it's surprising how bad the N810's GPS/AGPS is. My free-with-contract phone takes at most a minute to get a lock even in rather dense downtown areas	11:14
GAN800	Any reason the bootmenu d initfs_flasher couldn't go in Extras or Extras-devel?	11:15
pupnik	possibly it was designed for a plastic case?	11:15
pupnik	maybe it's too haxxorish?	11:15
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XTLi	I think it's the case/form not being the best for rf comms as well	11:15
johnx	pupnik, I think the same GPS isn't exactly working well for the N95 either...	11:15
pupnik	somebody take it apart and test it without the case :D	11:17
XTLi	Undoubtedly Nokia has good antenna people etc, but you do get constraints on a device like this.	11:17
pupnik	maybe I could try without battery cover?	11:17
pupnik	yes	11:17
qwerty12	You should have got AStorm to try when he disassembled his N810.	11:17
johnx	also having the keyboard open or closed might make a difference	11:17
XTLi	If the nit was a "real" navigator, they'd propably try harder or compromise elsewhere.	11:18
XTLi	Of course they might just have picked poor (cheap, small) parts	11:18
johnx	I think A-GPS must work a lot better for cell phones	11:18
johnx	XTL, I think that both parts are likely	11:19
johnx	The marketing for the GPS chip they chose screamed "bargain basement"	11:19
pupnik	what about a project bourse for maemo projects. subscribers pledge donations to a completed task. indy developer does it, releases it to the site - then after a quick check the site admin awards the project bounty	11:19
GAN800	Anybody have some input for me on that '/usr on sd' article on the wiki?	11:19
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GAN800	I really want it gone. Bad article, bad info.	11:20
pupnik	cause auto-learning wlan agps assist could really help my device	11:20
X-Fade	pupnik: Do you move around more than 100KM a lot?	11:20
pupnik	X-Fade: no	11:20
X-Fade	Then it wouldn't matter ;)	11:20
XTLi	I still thing filesystem overlays and per-process fs namespaces would be a neat way to install sw	11:20
pupnik	bummer ok ty	11:21
wazd	morning all :)	11:21
pupnik	GAN800: will look	11:21
X-Fade	There is no need for accurate a-gps info.	11:21
XTLi	Wouldn't have to worry about fs space when each app could be whereever	11:21
GAN800	http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition	11:21
X-Fade	It needs to generally know what satellites to expect. But margin of error can be as much as 100KM.	11:21
johnx	XTLi, it would mainly help for games I think	11:21
johnx	otherwise everyone would have to repackage all the same dependencies	11:22
X-Fade	Problem is that the gps feature doesn't remember where it was the last time. Or at least doesn't use that info correctly.	11:22
GAN800	That method offers no advantages to full-on sd booting and lots of disadvantages.	11:22
XTLi	Deps would have to be mounted first, yes	11:22
XTLi	Or be builtin to each image or root	11:22
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johnx	GAN800, does it work at all?	11:23
XTLi	Unlikely to come up on Linux anytime soon, though	11:23
GAN800	X-Fade you catch my proposal for a Bugzilla meeting after the sprint review?	11:23
XTLi	Not a dist with legacy anyway.	11:24
GAN800	johnx, sure, but not well.	11:24
X-Fade	GAN800: Nope.	11:24
johnx	GAN800, then leave it in place and stick a big warning at the top	11:24
pupnik	GAN800: perhaps the article should refer to the alternative of installing the full FS to flash and multibooting?	11:24
pupnik	right	11:24
GAN800	You're much better off using sd booting and that article will just confuse people.	11:24
pupnik	maybe some people don't want to mess with the bootloader for some reason	11:24
GAN800	That's one option, but even with a health warning the article is in terrible shape. . . .	11:25
pupnik	though i have no idea why the howto mentions reflashing	11:25
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GAN800	and I'm not going to put any effort into making it not suck.	11:25
GAN800	X-Fade, hit the sprint3 talk page.	11:25
GAN800	If I'm not going to put the effort in, I doubt anybody else will.	11:26
pupnik	oh it already has 'what else you should consider'	11:26
pupnik	right near the top	11:26
GAN800	So the article is doomed to suck for all eternity.	11:26
johnx	GAN800, yeah, kill it	11:26
GAN800	and only serves to confuse people.	11:26
johnx	anyone who would benefit would figure this all out on their own	11:26
GAN800	johnx, put a comment to that effect on the talk page.	11:26
GAN800	Lacking good speedy deletion guidelines, I need some sort of concensus.	11:27
pupnik	where in the wiki are the guidelines outlined concerning what level of linux-user the wiki must address?	11:28
Jaffa	GAN800: BTW, I'm suggesting we start the election process in the next timebox^Wsprint.	11:28
X-Fade	GAN800: Where should I read that on the Sprint3 page?	11:28
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GeneralAntilles	pupnik, I think the idea is to address as large a group as possible.	11:29
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3	11:30
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, too.	11:30
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X-Fade	GAN800: I don't see any other bugzilla mentions other than the plugin? :)	11:32
GeneralAntilles	lol? https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3#Bugzilla_Meeting	11:32
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Ah doh.. The talk page ;)	11:33
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johnx	now unionfs might be a really cool thing :)	11:35
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Jaffa	X-Fade: how's it going in getting wiki.maemo.org's SSL cert fixed? Wasn't going to raise an issue since you said it was being worked on, but it's still b0rked.	11:36
X-Fade	Jaffa: All people I need are back from holiday today ;)	11:36
X-Fade	Jaffa: So I'm optimistic now..	11:36
johnx	Has anyone played with unionfs for the tablets?	11:38
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GeneralAntilles	For anybody who missed it the first time around: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla	11:40
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, lifted some stuff from your article.	11:40
onion	where can I find gstreamer-tools for diablo ?	11:41
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Bugjar + bugzilla wiki plugin can be a good tool for better visibility..	11:42
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Nicer reports at least :)	11:42
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XTLi	Re unionfs, there's also mhddfs	11:44
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XTLi	I'm guessing there's no fuse in the kernel though	11:48
johnx	XTLi, but there's a nice fuse package	11:48
XTLi	Oh?	11:49
johnx	onion, XTLi : look on gronmayer.com/it :)	11:49
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XTLi	Right. How didn't I think of that..	11:49
onion	johnx: thanks	11:50
johnx	I hadn't heard of mhddfs though	11:50
johnx	I'll look at it	11:50
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johnx	I think it might be really ideal for games with lots of data that want to look for it in a common place	11:50
XTLi	It was just what I needed on some system	11:50
johnx	and if it's fuse it doesn't need root permissions	11:50
XTLi	Haven't seen an unionfs since bsd forever ago	11:50
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johnx	there looks to be about 3 current unionfs implementations for linux...craziness	11:51
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johnx	mhddfs looks like it wouldn't make a good rootfs though :/	11:53
johnx	that's always the problem...	11:53
XTLi	Heh, no. I don't think it would	11:53
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johnx	qwerty12, have you ever heard of unionfs?	11:55
qwerty12	johnx: yes, I did a 1/2 port to the N800	11:56
qwerty12	(The module itself works, the scripts don't :/)	11:56
qwerty12	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104	11:56
johnx	I was toying with the idea of trying to setup some kind of common framework for packaging games and other sometimes-used big programs as an fs overlay	11:57
qwerty12	I know pipeline is using iso images that are mounted.	11:58
johnx	ah, right	11:58
johnx	that's who it was	11:58
* johnx searches		11:58
Khertan_TheReal	Hi !	11:58
qwerty12	Hi Khertan_TheReal	11:58
johnx	hey Khertan_TheReal	11:58
Khertan_TheReal	noone have made a new magical tool that can made source package to enable me to made package onboard to update it onboard to maemo extras ?	11:59
Khertan_TheReal	:)	11:59
qwerty12	I believe that magical tool is called dpkg-buildpackage	12:00
johnx	Khertan_TheReal, you could try to install the debian packaging tools from the maemo-sdk repository (dpkg-dev dpkg-buildpackage)	12:00
Khertan_TheReal	yes the same one that don't work on the device :)	12:00
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Khertan_TheReal	and once i ve successfully install all depandancies ... the device don't boot anymore ...	12:01
johnx	why don't they work?	12:01
johnx	ah	12:01
Khertan_TheReal	sh: bad signal 's'	12:01
Khertan_TheReal	busybox powa ...	12:01
johnx	heh	12:01
johnx	yeah, no luck I guess	12:01
Khertan_TheReal	so i ve install many thing :)	12:01
Khertan_TheReal	and at the end ... crash	12:02
Khertan_TheReal	:)	12:02
Khertan_TheReal	johnx > no luck ... yes it s the word	12:02
Khertan_TheReal	i think i ll take less time to do my own repository and auto upload website	12:02
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Jaffa	amirullah seems to be having real problems getting his logo entries to display.	12:06
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GeneralAntilles	OK, emailed -community about the meeting.	12:13
GeneralAntilles	Hopefully we'll be able to get some real traction going on some of these tasks tomorrow.	12:14
qwerty12	~lart git	12:15
* infobot whips git with a wet and grimy noodle just because		12:15
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qwerty12	Does gitweb have an option to download a tarball then? repo.or.cz is messing me around :/	12:22
MangoFusion	bah, i just use github. easy as pie there ;)	12:25
qwerty12	This isn't my projects :P, I'm trying to grab a few	12:26
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qwerty12	Anyway, just figured it out :/	12:26
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hrw	is there a documentation on how to make own dictionary for predicting input?	12:35
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, awesome: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205375&postcount=19 <_<	12:45
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: Fuck that guy, poom don't even know what he is talking about.	12:46
GeneralAntilles	He posts shit like that all the time.	12:46
GeneralAntilles	So irritating	12:47
zap	GeneralAntilles: I know what dependencies he meant, kernel-flasher & company	12:53
GeneralAntilles	zap, likely.	12:53
GeneralAntilles	But the actual dependencies are rather less relevant than the fact that he's an idiot denigrating a perfectly good package for no good reason.	12:54
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GeneralAntilles	Nokia should just go ahead and push something trivial through SSU so we don't have to deal with that stupidity anymore	12:55
zap	yes, rootsh hadn't broken any devices :) it even saved my friend's device	12:56
johnx	GeneralAntilles, something to kill^H^H^H^Hfix annoying users?	12:56
GeneralAntilles	johnx, think we can reliably determine whether somebody's an idiot in 10 questions or less? :D	12:57
zap	I just think that guy was pissed off when he tried to apt-get rootsh and failed	12:57
qwerty12	How do you apt-get rootsh without having root access :P	12:57
zap	he did not understood that it's not rootsh's problem	12:57
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zap	qwerty12: perhaps he had becomeroot or something installed	12:58
johnx	or ssh	12:58
zap	or that	12:58
GeneralAntilles	zap, he has a history of idiocy.	12:58
qwerty12	True. If he had becomeroot installed, then it would have showed up as an conflicting package. There I can see his dependency problem.	12:58
zap	well, thats another story :)	12:58
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, the missing flash-and-reboot stuff will show up for any install on a clean Diablo, right?	12:59
qwerty12	Yeah :/	12:59
* GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like digging out a USB cable to flash his sister's N800 to confirm.		12:59
GeneralAntilles	OK, good, I'm filing a bug now. ;)	12:59
qwerty12	I know if I flashed my sister's k750, she would kill me :P	13:00
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, feel like grabbing as many of the "What are theses missing depencies threads" off itT as possible while I hit the mailing lists and finish up the bug?	13:00
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: Ok	13:01
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: got OS X up & running yesterday so will try and rename and iron out a few bugs in 770Flasher.app	13:01
zap	it's a known problem, Nokia have explained it on the mailing list	13:01
GeneralAntilles	Maybe a list of 2 dozen threads will convince them to hurry up with an SSU update.	13:01
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, awesome!	13:01
GeneralAntilles	zap, yes, I'm well aware	13:01
GeneralAntilles	The bug is for them to hurry up and push an SSU update.	13:01
GeneralAntilles	Explaining to newbies that they have to run apt-get -f install is getting a little old	13:02
GeneralAntilles	and is leading to a lot of misconceptions	13:02
zap	well if it's a newbie he won't get root access :)	13:02
andre___	GeneralAntilles, pong (but I guess that I'm too late now that I've read your mail already. Sounds good to me)	13:07
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: http://slexy.org/view/s2akzjDOg5	13:07
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: might even try to get 0xffff as the underlying flasher and so remove the dependency on Nokia	13:07
GeneralAntilles	Beautiful. Thanks, qwerty12.	13:07
qwerty12	No problem. Thanks for filing the bug, Nokia need to get a move on :P	13:08
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atul	Hi, [sbox-CHINOOK_RAMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime => Error loading /usr/bin/apt-get	13:18
atul	How to fix ?	13:18
GeneralAntilles	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478	13:18
GeneralAntilles	It's, of course, not going to have any effect	13:18
GeneralAntilles	But we can hope.	13:18
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, you, if anybody, might have poked at this, but any idea how to cleanly get Application manager to follow the theme's text color?	13:22
Khertan_TheReal	Jaffa > osx ... do u have a mac ?	13:22
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: No, sorry, I've never actually noticed.	13:23
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, IIRC, the theme is hard coded into the appman	13:23
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, just needed to add support for it	13:24
Khertan_TheReal	about the post of suduser and white screen ...	13:24
qwerty12	I'd offer a recompile but my last recompile of the application-manager killed it off. apt-get install --reinstall hildon-application-manager saved my ass :/	13:24
Khertan_TheReal	do u know what the problem with the white screen ?	13:25
GeneralAntilles	They switched to Cairo for rendering the list in Diablo.	13:25
Khertan_TheReal	as i get the same thing :)	13:25
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_TheReal, it's waiting for a password.	13:25
Khertan_TheReal	ah ...	13:25
Khertan_TheReal	oki	13:25
Khertan_TheReal	so mine prob is different :)	13:25
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XTLi	Didn't rpm have an option to repack an installed package into .rpm?	13:25
XTLi	Evil, but funny.	13:26
* qwerty12 keeps meaning to try out fedora :/		13:26
johnx	XTLi, you might be interested in dpkg-repack :)	13:26
crashanddie	debian packager for .rpm ?	13:26
crashanddie	now that's evil	13:26
XTLi	I was jus wondering about that :)	13:26
johnx	crashanddie, nah, that's alien	13:26
johnx	dpkg-repack is pretty useful though	13:26
crashanddie	johnx, isn't that the same thing ?	13:26
* qwerty12 <3's alien		13:27
johnx	crashanddie, dpkg-repack and alien? no totally different	13:27
XTLi	Making rollback packages was the intended use I think	13:27
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, ping re #3477	13:33
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yes?	13:33
GeneralAntilles	What are your bits?	13:33
GeneralAntilles	You're seeing the classification page, right?	13:33
X-Fade	Yep.	13:34
GeneralAntilles	Well, normal users shouldn't be seeing that.	13:34
GeneralAntilles	So, the bug is mostly irrelevant for the time being.	13:34
GeneralAntilles	It'll be one of the bits your account has set that's making that show up for you.	13:35
X-Fade	Ah, well..	13:35
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GeneralAntilles	We're mostly waiting to get with ferenc or guenther to update the templates.	13:35
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I just saw a new 'All' option show up, and I _hate_ those ;)	13:35
GeneralAntilles	Which is one of the things we'll need to discuss during the Bugzilla meeting tomorrow.	13:36
atul	hi apt-get update is failing why so ? Anything going on web site side.	13:37
atul	It is unable to download the things/	13:37
GeneralAntilles	But, uh, the plan at the moment is to move the website into its own classification, and move the current components up to products.	13:37
X-Fade	Yeah, that would be a good thing.	13:38
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GeneralAntilles	My current idea for the template would be something along the lines of: <h1>'s for Maemo Software, Nokia, and Website with descriptions and a list of their components under each, and an <h1> for Garage with a description down at the bottom that takes you to a page with all Garage products.	13:41
GeneralAntilles	So there _probably_ wont be a need for All	13:42
X-Fade	Goood :)	13:42
GeneralAntilles	/we can just make "All" small.	13:42
timeless	i'd stick all in small at the +bottom+	13:43
Jaffa	Khertan_TheReal: not exactly, just wanted enough of a dev environment on my primarily Linux box to update the flasher etc	13:43
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, you need a new, more generic icon.	13:45
GeneralAntilles	512x512 preferably. ;)	13:45
Jaffa	Indeed. Provisions welcome :)	13:45
Jaffa	...and a name. Tablet Flasher's a bit boring. "Flasher for Maemo" I did think of with the new TM/brand guidelines	13:46
XTLi	Masher	13:46
GeneralAntilles	I like Tablet Flasher myself	13:46
Jaffa	But "Flasher" is a technical term. "Updater" might be better. I'll also want beta testers with varying versions of OS X and a willingness to reflash devices	13:47
GeneralAntilles	Boring, but it gets the point across with little ambiguity.	13:47
Jaffa	true	13:47
GeneralAntilles	Fits with things like tablet-encode and tablet-browser, too.	13:47
GeneralAntilles	The community uses "flash", "flasher" and "flashing" extensively enough that you're probably better off just using that.	13:48
GeneralAntilles	My personal feeling is that "Updater" is mildly confusing in light of SSU.	13:48
qwerty12	The OS X/Linux flasher itself is called flasher too :/. Although you could argue that the windows one says update.	13:49
GeneralAntilles	https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification#The_GPL_violation_issue	13:49
Jaffa	qwerty12: yeah, it was the name of the Windows one which prompted that thought	13:50
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GeneralAntilles	Maybe if it were officially sanctioned by Nokia	13:51
GeneralAntilles	and appeared on the support pages	13:52
GeneralAntilles	But seeing as it's going to be community tool that's community supported. . . .	13:52
GeneralAntilles	s/it's going/it's/	13:52
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: But seeing as it's to be community tool that's community supported. . . .	13:52
GeneralAntilles	Bleh	13:52
qwerty12	It wouldn't appear on www.nokia.com for sure. www.maemo.org maybe, but they seem to be pretty stringent about it by the fact that you have to accept an license agreement.	13:53
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* qwerty12 thinks the flasher features of the OS X/Linux and the Windows flasher needs to be unified.		13:56
Khertan_n810	Hi again :)	13:56
* Khertan_n810 think windows flasher isn t needed		13:57
GeneralAntilles	andre___, FTV == Fit width to view	13:57
RST38h	boo.	13:57
qwerty12	Khertan_n810: It is when the update servers are bogged down and the windows flasher can do load balancing :/	13:57
* RST38h thinks linux fanboys should go screw a penguin, while windows firmware updater stays		13:57
andre___	FTV? WT...? :-)	13:58
Khertan_n810	qwerty12 > before load balancing we need real server	13:58
GeneralAntilles	#1884 is resolved. ;)	13:58
GeneralAntilles	Also, if you were seeing library packages in Chinook, then it wasn't "broken", you had Red Pill enabled. :P	13:58
Khertan_n810	today i must download 4 time firmware	13:58
Khertan_n810	as firmware file was truncated 3 time	13:59
GeneralAntilles	Khertan_n810, keep the image on your hard drive this time. ;)	13:59
GeneralAntilles	That'd be a caching network issue, anyway.	13:59
XTLi	Torrent :)	13:59
Khertan_n810	yes but my hard have failed recently	13:59
Khertan_n810	Torrent without seed ?	14:00
andre___	yeah, i probably was on red pill. never realized, though	14:00
Jaffa	"Tablet Flasher" probably wins then. I'll await GA's new icon with baited breath :)	14:00
GeneralAntilles	Red Pill is mildly evil	14:00
GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, you'll be waiting until at least the end of August.	14:01
Khertan_n810	do u know why application manager try to use the disabled proxy and apt-get update in cmd line work ?	14:01
GeneralAntilles	I'm not trying my hand at anything until I get back to my rig. ;)	14:01
Jaffa	s/is mildly evil/the most wildly propagated piece of bad advice in the history of the world... ever/	14:01
qwerty12	Jaffa: In	14:01
qwerty12	Oops	14:01
Jaffa	Fair enough. I'll try and do something abstract and shiny.	14:01
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GeneralAntilles	The Application manager icon on the Home view in Application manager probably needs to change to an exploding bomb when Red Pill is enabled.	14:02
Jaffa	It's either that, or write code in XCode which isn't ObjectiveC. Probably Ruby, but dunno how well that works in non-10.5.	14:02
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Khertan_n810	jaffa > i can help u in objc if u need	14:02
GeneralAntilles	10.4 should ship with it.	14:02
Khertan_n810	i ve made many dev in objc in the past	14:03
crashanddie	I'll stfu	14:03
Khertan_n810	particulary some driver	14:03
Khertan_n810	s	14:03
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RST38h	macos uses drivers written in objc?	14:04
Khertan_n810	it can	14:04
* GeneralAntilles has an uncontrollable urge to thumb all planet posts with "Spam my stupid blog everywhere, pls!!!!!" links at the bottom.		14:04
RST38h	khertan: ah, the horror...	14:05
Jaffa	Khertan_n810: I'd hoped ObjC was more like C#/Vala/Java... it appears to eschew standard syntax to Just Be Different[TM]. I've no real desire to fight through syntax. I may stick with the current Perl app with Platypus wrapper, TBH; with the Perl app wrapping up a 0xffff executable if possible.	14:05
RST38h	ga: you know there is only one solution, dont you?	14:06
RST38h	jaffa: it is more like smalltalk	14:06
GeneralAntilles	Start spamming bug reports to have their feed removed from syndication?	14:06
RST38h	just because it is not like c++ does not mean it is nonstandard	14:07
RST38h	ga: of course not	14:07
Khertan_n810	:)	14:07
RST38h	ga: the right answer is KILL ALL PEOPLE	14:07
Khertan_n810	all is standard in this world look at xml office document	14:07
XTLi	Not like c++ is a big ++ in my book	14:07
Khertan_n810	:)	14:07
RST38h	THAT will stop those pesky brats for good...	14:07
pupnik	http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00362/Tom_Moran_362519a.jpg oh yes! evil! :) (sfw)	14:08
crashanddie	[slashdot troll] But why use another language than C++ considering you can do everything with it ?	14:09
RST38h	define everything	14:10
Jaffa	RST38h: yeah, I don't like C++ much either. There're other languages I'd rather get more to grips with (e.g. Vala) than ObjectiveC given my now limited Mac usage.	14:10
crashanddie	#define everything *	14:10
XTLi	S/c++/brainf**k/	14:10
Khertan_n810	(applefanboystyle) because it s more simple to use objc	14:10
Khertan_n810	goto++ powa !	14:11
crashanddie	goto++ ,	14:11
crashanddie	?	14:11
crashanddie	lol, Khertan_n810 you french propagand artist	14:12
Khertan_n810	:)	14:12
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crashanddie	Khertan: that's about as ridicule as Jayce with his MultiDeskOS	14:14
johnx	Stskeeps, did you do something to make the temp sensor work in debian?	14:15
Khertan_TheReal	re :)	14:16
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crashanddie	lcuk_work, that was about time :P	14:18
lcuk_work	:D indeedy	14:18
lcuk_work	been busy	14:18
johnx	so busy you slept at the office? :)	14:18
lcuk_work	lol merely in a rush this morning :P	14:19
* lcuk_work got up late		14:19
crashanddie	no shit, you woke up in time for lunch :	14:19
crashanddie	:P	14:19
lcuk_work	i dunno why i went to sleep earlier than usual	14:19
crashanddie	lcuk_work, cuz you were tired ?	14:20
crashanddie	or do I sense a lack of comma there ?	14:20
lcuk_work	nahhh	14:20
lcuk_work	one minute i was reading the next i had missed my alarm clock	14:21
lcuk_work	i did have the good sense to actually lock my 810 and put it away though	14:21
* lcuk_work cant remember how		14:21
* lcuk_work makes mental note not to drink red wine again		14:21
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pupnik	build good n810 habits for those 'special' times when you're not all there	14:23
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mikkov_	Hi everybody. I am uploading blobwars to autobuilder	14:23
pupnik	yaay blobwars finally	14:24
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pupnik	how much work was it?	14:24
mikkov_	but isn't there dput in maemo-sdk?	14:24
qwerty12_N800	great! i failed in getting that to run :)	14:24
qwerty12_N800	mikkov_, you are meant do it outside sdk	14:24
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mikkov_	made two changes to source and couple to makefile	14:25
RST38h	lcuk: I dont remember, have you found how to check what library a symbol belongs to?	14:25
mikkov_	it would be easier if dput was in sdk, because I don't run debian or ubuntu and I don't wan't run any vmware stuff	14:26
qwerty12_N800	it may be easier for now to use the web interface	14:27
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mikkov_	yeah that's what I used. let's hope that package builds	14:28
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Stskeeps	johnx: err.. what temp sensor?	14:35
johnx	Stskeeps, the internal one :)	14:35
johnx	the one that can tell the temperature	14:35
johnx	that one	14:35
Stskeeps	johnx: is it n800 or n810 specific? but no, i did not	14:35
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, ze i2c one :p	14:35
johnx	ah well, I think it works	14:35
johnx	must be standard hal stuff	14:36
Stskeeps	alright	14:36
Stskeeps	or hald-addon-bme	14:36
Stskeeps	or -gpio	14:36
qwerty12_N800	cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input	14:37
Stskeeps	sounds like a thing to use on my "temperature in stskeeps' pocket" graph	14:37
GeneralAntilles	OMWeather is adding an entry for that sensor	14:38
GeneralAntilles	pretty cool	14:38
qwerty12_N800	ripped from internal-temp : cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input \| sed -e 's/$.*$$..$.$/\1\.\2C/'	14:38
GeneralAntilles	I can't imagine what sort of operation those Fring guys are running	14:38
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RST38h	judging from how shitty fring is on s60, they are running it out of a barn	14:40
RST38h	and use cheap undergraduate workforce	14:41
qwerty12_N800	Their install procedure is quite unprofessional.	14:41
GeneralAntilles	Chinook Extras and Chinook SDK under Diablo.	14:43
GeneralAntilles	Awesome.	14:43
GeneralAntilles	I love how everybody on itT is totally enabling it, too.	14:43
GeneralAntilles	What are they after, anyway?	14:43
GeneralAntilles	Doesn't rtcomm/Pidgin provide the same stuff?	14:43
hrw	exactly	14:44
RST38h	they are after skype	14:44
RST38h	but they will never become skype	14:44
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XTLi	Which of course is nice	14:45
RST38h	it is neither nice nor bad	14:46
RST38h	just how things are	14:46
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lbt	I'm waiting for a telco to provide a SIP gateway with a billing/payment interface	14:46
mikkov_	you can now try blobwars from extras-devel. tell how it works for you	14:47
qwerty12_N800	thanks, updating repos now	14:48
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RST38h	where are fring guys based anyway?	14:49
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fring	14:49
qwerty12_N800	Tel Aviv	14:49
christefano	is there a utility that creates a menu of recently opened applications and documents?	14:50
RST38h	ah	14:50
RST38h	so fring/skype thing is roughly like icq/irc but there wontt be a coconut this time	14:51
lbt	seems more like pidgin vs AOL/MSN/Yahoo	14:51
* timelyx notes that icq was also from israel...		14:51
lbt	multi-protocol	14:51
lbt	but closed	14:52
RST38h	icq used irc for handshaking	14:52
RST38h	caused a lot of controversy once	14:52
wnd	speaking of sip/voip, have I missed something or is it really not possible to use the default pim-framework on diablo to talk to users on platforms other than maemo? separately started applications such as skype do not count.	14:53
lbt	by talk do you mean speech?	14:54
wnd	yes, which is why I mentioned voip	14:54
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RST38h	as long as you use gtalk it should work	14:55
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RST38h	or standard sip	14:55
wnd	so far I've tried using gtalk and jabber, but I still can't start a voip-call to my wife's mac. she has tried both ichat and adium.	14:56
lcuk_work	wnd, is that a bug though?	14:57
wnd	I don't really know	14:57
wnd	I've only managed to create a voip call between two n810s, so I kind of started drawing conclusions	14:58
lcuk_work	"im sorry hunny, i cant connect" *back to the pub and the game	14:58
crashanddie	wnd, I use sip all the time, I can call anywhere	14:58
lcuk_work	back later	14:58
wnd	crashanddie, and you're talking about this "New Internet call", and not some third party application?	14:59
crashanddie	aye	14:59
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wnd	in that case I guess I'll just have to continue trying. I'd better try this between the device and my linux-box when I get back home. thanks.	15:00
crashanddie	wnd, the SIP I use is provided by my ISP... I can tell you what exactly the settings are if you want	15:01
wnd	I guess that wouldn't do any harm	15:03
crashanddie	ok, hang on	15:05
wnd	no hurries	15:05
crashanddie	I'll PM them	15:05
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ShadowJK	my ISP has a voip/sip service that lets me move my landline number to it if I wanted, haven't tried it though	15:11
christefano	can anyone recommend a utility that populates a menu with recently opened applications and documents?	15:13
pupnik	that's an interesting feature request - an option to automatically repopulate My selection	15:15
pupnik	or maybe another category for recent	15:16
christefano	yup, that's just what I was thinking	15:16
pupnik	sounds like a great project	15:17
christefano	a separate category for recent items	15:17
pupnik	did you web search for it?	15:17
crashanddie	ShadowJK, yeah, I have the same, I use it sometimes, works nice	15:17
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christefano	I did and didn't find anything. the search was basically for "(apps, programs, documents) menu"	15:18
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GeneralAntilles	No, christefano, nobody has made anything like that yet.	15:19
XTLi	Do the requests to open go through dbus?	15:19
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christefano	GeneralAntilles: I thought so. :( thanks for the corroboration.	15:20
XTLi	Maybe that would allow trapping them and adjusting the menu	15:20
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XTLi	Might even use that dbus scripts package	15:21
XTLi	(This is just hamdwaving)	15:21
GeneralAntilles	christefano, probably better off just installing personal-launcher and sticking all the applications and documents you need on your desktop	15:21
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christefano	okay, that's what I'll do. hopefully someone will find time to put into it	15:23
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boolean	mornign	15:54
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ravious	Anyone know of any os projects working with the n770's other than maemo?	15:57
GeneralAntilles	nit-debian	15:58
GeneralAntilles	Poky	15:58
GeneralAntilles	Mamona	15:58
johnx	ravious, are you interested in working on nit-debian for the n770?	15:58
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ravious	eh, i prolly wouldnt be much help, not much of a dev	15:59
zap	what LED is controlled via /sys/class/leds/cover/ ?	15:59
johnx	even being able to test it and say "works" "doesn't work" would be helpful. if you're interested you should give it a shot	15:59
johnx	if you're not interested, that's fine too	15:59
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XTLi	I might be if I had a 770	16:00
ravious	may as well, im always lookin for an excuse to reflash	16:01
ravious	lawl	16:01
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johnx	ravious, great, do you have a clear rs-mmc card? if so, how big?	16:02
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ravious	i've got 64mb on this one, i could prolly get another one if needed	16:03
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johnx	er...sorry if I got your hopes up, but debian needs a little more space than that	16:04
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RST38h	moo, all	16:04
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johnx	m00k	16:05
lophyte	morning all	16:08
johnx	hey lophyte	16:09
lophyte	whats up?	16:09
johnx	not too much	16:09
johnx	just saying hi	16:09
summatusmentis	mmph... I should wake up earlier	16:09
lophyte	cool :)	16:09
* lcuk_work w00ts for no particular reason		16:10
Jaffa	Looks like Google Calendar is going to get offline mode using Gears - a small app to read the offline database and generatealarems on the tablets would be cool	16:10
lophyte	I'm waiting (im)patiently for my BT GPS	16:10
lcuk_work	jaffa, but gears is tied into the webcache in their format and not in a portable format is it?	16:10
hrw	Jaffa: does gears is available in other form then browser plugin?	16:10
* hrw does not use gears as there is no 64bit firefox plugin		16:10
RST38h	lcuk: isnt it using standard sqlite?	16:11
lcuk_work	actually, i shouldnt get involved with this discussion. back later after work	16:11
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* RST38h periodically has to spend time removing gears when some sneaky google applet installs it		16:11
lcuk_work	RST38h, might be, but i thought the data was internal formats rather than public sml type formats - sincei ts internal and not expected to be used by apps behind the gears framework?	16:12
lcuk_work	xml^	16:12
RST38h	as long as it is relational you can cook it any way you like	16:12
lcuk_work	arghh back later	16:12
RST38h	and sqlite = relational	16:12
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RST38h	anybody else sees a background process from google when gears is installed?	16:13
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RST38h	rm_you, are you here?	16:20
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Khertan_TheReal	RST38h ? google gear ? background process ? sneaky applet install it ??? with Windows Google Desktop ?	16:28
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MangoFusion	is it a bad background process?	16:30
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Khertan_TheReal	background process are always evil ...	16:31
Khertan_TheReal	else they won't be hide in background ...	16:31
johnx	that's why I hate init	16:31
johnx	it's always messing with me	16:32
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johnx	starting other stuff	16:32
johnx	killing	16:32
johnx	die init, die	16:32
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Khertan_TheReal	rm it ... :)	16:32
johnx	i would but I didn't trust rm so I deleted it :/	16:33
MangoFusion	just wget or curl it from a reputable maemo repository	16:34
MangoFusion	:D	16:34
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crashanddie	lol	16:35
crashanddie	we're lucky something like background processes exist	16:36
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crashanddie	I don't know about you guys, but I don't want a terminal for each and every of the services/apps that run on my computer	16:36
XTLi	Trusted computing with MS-DOS - no background processes	16:39
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* jott installs a tsr onto XTLi :P		16:41
RST38h	khertan: apparently	16:41
RST38h	khertan: I installed google earth plugin and after that found that a background process is always running on my mahine	16:42
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RST38h	looked closely and found that it comes from google dir and is marked with google gears related signature string	16:42
RST38h	kikled it dead but then it somehow appeared again	16:43
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nelson	Should diablo's /tmp be only 512kb? Because I can't install maemo-mapper as the install file won't fit in /tmp	17:03
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XTLi	<3 tmpfs	17:05
XTLi	I'd suggest using apt/appmanager to install it	17:06
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XTLi	Alternatively, you could use something ele to dl the installer. I presume it's a browser putting it to /tmp	17:07
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Tu13es	hm, I just got my n800 back after not having it for over a year. is there any good resource for repositoris or a good list of apps?	17:19
crashanddie	Tu13es, maemo extras is where all the fun happens	17:19
Tu13es	i like fun!	17:20
XTLi	There's repo lists in maemo.org somewhere	17:20
XTLi	For a given os vintage	17:21
Tu13es	yeah, i looked briefly but couldn't find it	17:21
Tu13es	though I am an idiot	17:21
crashanddie	well	17:21
XTLi	I'm sure you'll come across them	17:21
crashanddie	you're using a n800, you can't be that much of an idiot	17:21
aquatix	:)	17:21
andre___	GeneralAntilles, https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Triage_guide	17:22
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crashanddie	now, if you had an n810, it would be even better	17:22
crashanddie	I know, that's a bold statement	17:22
crashanddie	but it is easily proved	17:22
crashanddie	by lcuk's IQ and mine combined hitting the 300 easily :P	17:23
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summatusmentis	hah, then I picked the right model :)	17:24
Atarii	johnx would debian for 770 fit on a 1gb card?	17:26
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XTLi	I'd say it should fit	17:27
XTLi	That's a fair bit of space on any base system	17:27
Blafasel	andre___: That page is great imo	17:27
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andre___	Blafasel, thanks! just a first version, mostly copied and stolen from other places. :)	17:29
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Jaffa	lcuk_work: can't be that hard to reverse engineer a date & time, compared with - say - DSP access ;-)	17:32
X-Fade	Jaffa: wiki cert fixed.	17:33
Blafasel	andre___: Read that remark, but it's a nice start anyway.	17:34
andre___	yeah. that was the triagers' part. now to the reporters themselves...	17:36
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Tu13es	wtf, trying to instal python 2.5, says to run apt-get, when I run it it says "blahblah problems, you may want to run apt-get to fix these problems"	17:43
sp3000	read more carefully	17:44
Tu13es	yeah, apt-get update	17:44
Tu13es	is what I ran and what it tells me to do	17:44
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Stskeeps	apt-get -f install? :P	17:45
lophyte	"fixing problems" is usually ap...yeah what Stskeeps said	17:45
sp3000	sounds different, I guess	17:45
sp3000	but, pastebin	17:45
lcuk_work	jaffa, :) of course its not, but the date and time is a tiny part of the way it all fits together. it might just be extractable simply but it would be a lot more difficult getting something bi directional: we would be just as good looking at the xml feed for a calendar?	17:47
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Tu13es	hm, pb: http://pastebin.ca/1078433	17:50
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qwerty12	That's nothing. ignore it.	17:51
Tu13es	hmm	17:51
Tu13es	does it not fail apt-get update then?	17:51
qwerty12	No, apt-get ignores the message and carries on getting the list of Packages of the server. It only fails when there is an error (E:), not a warning (W:)	17:52
Tu13es	ah, gotcha	17:52
Tu13es	thx qwerty12 :)	17:52
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Jaffa	lcuk_work: don't want bidirectional though: with Gears the offline app would be the same as the online one; the only question is how to make it function as a reminder tool in addition to a review/edit/maintain tool	18:14
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zfigz	anyone know how to replace the apps in the communications tab the web tab	18:18
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zfigz	er the tab below the web tab	18:18
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qwerty12	Oh, the communication tab? Search for personal menu.	18:18
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mikkov_	How do I get sdl application name to show up in task switcher? I have tried all the tricks I could think/find of and only got <unnamed>...	18:22
rm_you	RST38h: yo	18:22
rm_you	lcuk_work: yo	18:22
rm_you	jott: yo	18:22
jott	hey rm_you	18:22
Jaffa	mikkov_: ExecWMClass IIRC	18:22
RST38bis	back	18:22
rm_you	jott: you try out the UPC database thing yet? :P	18:22
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qwerty12	Hmm, is it possible to extract an msi in Linux? I don't feel like rebooting into Windows.	18:24
RST38bis	rm_you: got a little suggestion	18:24
rm_you	?	18:24
mikkov_	Jaffa: that's how I got to that <unnamed> part. I've tried couple of other sdl apps and none of them show real app name in task switcher	18:24
rm_you	qwerty12: wine?	18:24
Jaffa	X-Fade: yay, SSL cert fixed! :-)	18:25
zfigz	qwerty, search for personal menu?	18:25
qwerty12	rm_you: Yeah, I'll have to install universal extractor in wine >.<	18:25
qwerty12	zfigz: google	18:25
zfigz	n810 personal menu?	18:26
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jott	rm_you: not found an item that is in the db yet :P	18:27
* jott does not have all this vagina stuff		18:27
rm_you	jott: did you actually GET the db? :P	18:27
rm_you	just checking :P	18:27
rm_you	I linked it a couple times	18:27
rm_you	up3.db	18:27
rm_you	err	18:27
rm_you	upc3.db	18:27
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qwerty12	mikkov_: tried SDL_WM_SetCaption?	18:28
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jott	~lart nokia for not providing md5sum	18:28
* infobot beats nokia senseless with a 50lb Unix manual for not providing md5sum		18:28
qwerty12	penguinbait has a binary available	18:29
jott	ha!	18:29
Khertan_TheReal	jott > i can send u an python md5 version if u want :)	18:29
rm_you	hrm	18:29
rm_you	is there a more complete UPC db?	18:30
jott	rm_you: no i don't think so	18:30
jott	would be great to support xmlrpc for it to submit entries	18:30
jott	Khertan_TheReal: heh yeah well not that important ;)	18:30
jott	thanks anyway	18:30
rm_you	i will start on an amazon scraping for ISBNs	18:30
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rm_you	i think	18:30
mikkov_	qwerty12: yeah I have that. If you know any sdl app which can show other than <unnamed> in task switcher, I could take a look from there	18:31
rm_you	getting data for any book/cd would be good	18:31
jott	rm_you: there are mainly uk/us products in the db..	18:31
qwerty12	UK's good for me ;)	18:31
rm_you	yeah, noticed...	18:32
mikkov_	I have tested tyrian, hex-a-hop and fred	18:32
jott	qwerty12: just try it out and have some fun waving items in front of your n8x0 ;)	18:32
rm_you	barely saw any items with german or any other language names	18:32
rm_you	qwerty12: download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode	18:32
qwerty12	Thanks rm_you, grabbing now :)	18:32
rm_you	the bz2 unpacks to about 100mmb	18:33
rm_you	youll have to put it on an sd card and symlink it into place	18:33
qwerty12	Ouch, I've only got 50 MB left :/	18:33
rm_you	total, on every storage device?	18:33
qwerty12	Well, I threw away my 1GB because dmesg was reporting IO errors on it, and my 8GB's only got 50MB left. Got nothing else, I'll see what I can delete off it.	18:34
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hrw	qwerty12: high-speed mmc kernel?	18:36
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qwerty12	hrw: Yeah, but the card was failing anyway.	18:37
hrw	mikkov_: icebreaker?	18:37
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mikkov_	hrw: icebreaker seems to use that games startup screen, so it's not pure sdl	18:43
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__t	nee, ich habe vorgestern zuletzt mit random gequatscht und der hatte die zugangs daten noch nicht	18:45
jott	mikkov_: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development "Application name"	18:46
crashanddie	lol...	18:46
crashanddie	Reading a CV, I see: "Married with two children aged 9 and 12."	18:46
crashanddie	now that's ambiguous :D	18:46
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__t	oops, wrong window	18:46
jott	mikkov_: important part is the desktop file with "StartupWMClass="	18:47
hrw	crashanddie: english is strange sometimes	18:47
jott	mikkov_: and putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=....");	18:47
mikkov_	jott: thanks, but with those instruction I got <unnamed>. Are those really supposed to work?	18:48
crashanddie	hrw, agreed	18:48
mikkov_	I have also osso_initialize()	18:49
jott	mikkov_: yes	18:49
jott	mikkov_: SDL_WM_SetCaption("title", NULL); for the title	18:49
jott	mikkov_: the wmclass for the task manager	18:49
jott	ugly but true	18:49
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jott	oh and when changing video modes yo usually have to set the caption again..	18:50
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rm_you	crashanddie: lol, I think he needs a comma :P	18:51
rm_you	qwerty12 / jott: eh?	18:51
hrw	crashanddie: imagine comma after 'Married' and it will sounds better	18:51
qwerty12	rm_you: I don't remember saying anything :/	18:51
crashanddie	yeah yeah, I know	18:52
crashanddie	but it's just funny	18:52
rm_you	yeah, asking for progress :P	18:52
mikkov_	what it has to be exactly ("title",NULL)? what's the point, i wonder. but thanks I try that	18:52
rm_you	need someone else to test UPC thing, so far has only worked for me :P	18:52
qwerty12	rm_you: My progress is null as the shitty kernel seems to have a problem with power to the usb when my battery is low :/	18:53
rm_you	>_>	18:53
rm_you	plug in? :P	18:53
qwerty12	I'll have to wait for the battery charge to go up as well :/	18:53
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jott	mikkov_: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_WM_SetCaption	18:54
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zfigz	so is there no way of putting apps into the communications tab?	18:57
zfigz	i only use mail inside of it	18:57
jott	zfigz: take a look at personal menu	18:58
zfigz	is that an app?	18:58
jott	rm_you: i have yet to find an item that is in the db :P	18:58
jott	zfigz: yes	18:58
rm_you	jott: lol, and you actually have the correct DB file? :P	18:58
jott	yeah i checked with upcdatabase.com	18:59
rm_you	jott: i found out that i had misplaced it the first time so nothing i scanned came up ;P	18:59
rm_you	ah	18:59
rm_you	lol	18:59
jott	i just fetched it from the above url again	18:59
rm_you	jott: scan something on your monitor? :P	18:59
jott	hah	18:59
rm_you	it works	18:59
rm_you	also, i think scanning was working very reliably before, but recently it got much harder for it to scan something :/	18:59
jott	yeah i know	18:59
rm_you	not sure why	18:59
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jott	what have you broken? :P	19:00
rm_you	also, still annoyed about camera not flipping :P need to figure out how to fix that bug	19:00
rm_you	lol	19:00
jott	flipping?	19:00
rm_you	it scans upside down :P that is neat BTW	19:00
rm_you	yeah...	19:00
rm_you	n800, rotate camera = image upsidedown	19:00
jott	yeah it should do 0,90,180,270 degree rotations just fine	19:00
rm_you	very annoying for trying to arrange camera	19:00
* jott installs kbarcode		19:03
jott	mh	19:03
jott	your lookup does not really work :P	19:03
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jott	just picked randomly 0000416010778 and it just shows two blank lines..	19:04
jott	Got UPC data. filling strings...	19:04
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rm_you	hrm	19:05
rm_you	is it in the DB?	19:05
jott	yeah i just picked something from the db	19:06
lcuk_work	RST38h, no i havent. i might have got it working last night but its a bit hazy :S	19:06
rm_you	hrm worked here	19:06
rm_you	just scanned this page	19:06
lcuk_work	rm_you, will test later	19:06
rm_you	http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/5410133831153	19:06
rm_you	lcuk_work: k	19:06
rm_you	that barcode scanned properly	19:06
lcuk_work	hey, rm_you - do you have rizlas as well :D	19:07
rm_you	lol no :P	19:07
rm_you	still had page open from you :P	19:07
lcuk_work	only pullin ya leg, i kremember that par tof the conversation, and what i searched for after :D	19:07
rm_you	lol	19:07
* lcuk_work will print out some special barcodes to take to the maemo summit		19:07
rm_you	jott: i am able to hit the "random item" link a lot	19:08
rm_you	and they all scan here	19:08
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rm_you	jott: did you bunzip the db? :P	19:08
RST38h	back	19:08
rm_you	sounds like it is just finding blanks	19:08
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lcuk_work	jott, are you shooting blanks then?	19:09
RST38h	rm: returning to the topic, can you add two more sliders?	19:09
rm_you	RST38h: ?	19:09
rm_you	for what, in what?	19:09
jott	rm_you: yes i unzipped it :P	19:09
rm_you	jott: lol	19:09
rm_you	jott: well	19:09
RST38h	rm: min/max cpu clock? in adv backlight or a new applet that shows cpu temp?	19:09
rm_you	weird	19:09
rm_you	RST38h: hrm	19:09
rm_you	CPU now...	19:10
rm_you	heh	19:10
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RST38h	hehe	19:10
lcuk_work	and when it gets to 100deg can we make it whistle like a kettle?	19:10
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rm_you	seems like that is something that should be handled maybe by osso_statusbar_cpu?	19:10
RST38h	lcuk: 100oF I assume?	19:10
rm_you	lol	19:10
RST38h	you: I dont think so	19:10
rm_you	jott: that is very odd	19:10
jott	hehe all-in-one-statusbar :)	19:11
lcuk_work	c more like	19:11
rm_you	lcuk_work: you have n800?	19:11
RST38h	statusbarcpu is unlikely to add it any time soon	19:11
lcuk_work	no, what would i type on?	19:11
rm_you	download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode	19:11
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rm_you	you can shove the upc3.db file on an mmc and symlink it into the directory with the executable	19:11
rm_you	as it is 100mb unpacked	19:12
RST38h	lcuk: what do you do to omap to get it this hot?=)	19:12
jott	i guess something like cpu temp/clock would be fine in load applet or so	19:12
lcuk_work	ill just run the binary from mmc	19:12
rm_you	ok 71mb	19:12
rm_you	heh ok	19:12
lcuk_work	later when im home that is	19:12
rm_you	k	19:12
lcuk_work	how confident is the scanning ow?	19:12
lcuk_work	now?	19:12
rm_you	fairly	19:13
lcuk_work	is it better than my typing?	19:13
rm_you	scanning from my LCD monitor and it is working instantly and accurately	19:13
rm_you	depends a lot on lighting	19:13
RST38h	rm: so any chance of that?=)	19:13
lcuk_work	k, ill wait for a storm to test	19:13
rm_you	RST38h: seems like that is out of the scope of our project :/	19:14
rm_you	Like, it would be neat, yes	19:14
rm_you	but	19:14
RST38h	rm: maybe a sister applet?	19:14
rm_you	we are not only getting a larger than intended memory footprint, but also RUNNING OUT OF SCREENSPACE! :P	19:14
lcuk_work	an info/status applet would be more practical	19:14
rm_you	yeah	19:14
rm_you	oh	19:14
lcuk_work	infact, personally wouldnt temp guages and stuff be better as simple desktop thingies	19:15
rm_you	what about an applet that lets you add "modules" in the form of oneliner shell commands	19:15
rm_you	and then you can check/uncheck them in options, and it just tiles them (two labels each, identifier and result)	19:15
RST38h	you: it already exists	19:15
rm_you	ah?	19:15
rm_you	what is it called?	19:15
lcuk_work	install this cool extension to rm_yous applet: "rm -rf /" or whatever syntax is	19:15
jott	but probably not with my status bar menu framework :P	19:15
RST38h	you: statusbarcpu or some clone of it lets you do that	19:16
lcuk_work	rst_cpuinternalsmonitorsuperjottlaidout_rmpontificatedover	19:16
lcuk_work	catchy name dont you agree? :D	19:16
qwerty12	I'm waiting for it to be added to liqbase :P	19:17
jott	lcukapproved? ;)	19:17
RST38h	needs dashes	19:17
rm_you	RST38h: does it display whatever shell command you give it?	19:17
RST38h	you: think so. nosliders though	19:17
lcuk_work	qwerty12, other way round, ive gotta make an extension framework, but i want cpu freq throttling and clock and brightness and other stuff ;)	19:17
andre___	eeks, who created the Advanced Backlight product in Maemo Bugzilla?	19:18
* lcuk_work hopes to simply replace x11 in the longrun and use the precreated extensions		19:18
jott	andre___: i think timeless	19:18
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X-Fade	Lol, nice ;)	19:18
jott	we approved it though ;)	19:19
andre___	jott: hmm, okay. then i will not complain, he knows what he does :)	19:19
lcuk_work	back later	19:19
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jott	andre___: garage projects should use bugzilla in the future if they want to..	19:19
andre___	just wondering whether having a category-kind-of product would make more sense instead of having a product for each module	19:19
jott	we are one of the pet projects / beta testers ;)	19:20
andre___	jott, sure, i can only underline that :)	19:20
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rm_you	:P	19:20
andre___	ok, if the community wants this, here we go. was just wondering :)	19:20
rm_you	It is exciting, yes? :P	19:20
rm_you	Did you nearly have a heart attack? :)	19:20
andre___	not really. :-)	19:21
dougt	is there any way to get the osso_context_t from a random bit of code, or do you have to pass it everywhere you want to use it?	19:21
andre___	the more community, the less i have to work ;-))	19:21
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zfigz	Can you guys recommend the best dictionary for maemo?	19:22
andre___	uff. bug 3474 is another techy report that i don't get. i should have become a hacker... :-)	19:22
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jott	zfigz: as an application stardict does a pretty good job. the dictionary quality itself depends on your language and the availablilty of a free dictionary ..	19:23
zfigz	english :P	19:23
zfigz	and there isn't a torrent downloader yet is there?	19:24
jott	i thought someone packaged transmission?	19:25
rm_you	zfigz: there is a port of transmission	19:26
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Jaffa	andre___: the use of garage projects in Bugzilla shouldn't be restricted to only having a single component, though. For example, "mediautils" is a single garage project but having 2 components: mediaserv and tablet-encode.	19:26
zfigz	woo, gonna have to find it	19:27
andre___	Jaffa, sure, i fully agree	19:27
rm_you	it will be interesting	19:27
rm_you	I wish we had gotten into bugzilla a few weeks ago though...	19:27
rm_you	back when we actually HAD bugs :P	19:27
* rm_you knocks on wood		19:27
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oilinki	is there an application which would improve the home-button on tablet? I'm looking for something that would give both the running applications and a list of 'my selection' applications at one go?	19:32
* Jaffa really wants to see a simplified bug creation form: I've /always/ hated Bugzilla, and some of the recent problems we've had (alias, target milestone, priority etc. set on creation by the reporter) show that it should be simple to capture bugs, and then enrichment can use the current monstrosity ;-)		19:32
andre___	rm_you, haha... we still have bugs. we do. :)	19:32
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hrw	oilinki: hildon-desktop is opensourced - feel free to hack it	19:40
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hrw	have a nice evening all	19:41
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oilinki	hrw\|gone: well yes. if I just knew how :)	19:41
rm_you	jott: can you look at the datamatrix code?! >_>	19:42
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jott	rm_you: hmm :/ i'm not that motivated :P	19:42
rm_you	jott: i am still sad that it is broken when it is so close	19:42
rm_you	jott: so, it did not scan UPC/EAN from the upcdatabase site?	19:43
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jott	rm_you: it did but the lables where set correct or what ever	19:43
rm_you	jott: right..	19:43
rm_you	hrm	19:43
jott	it found something but it just showed blank lines	19:43
rm_you	OH	19:44
jott	where not set*	19:44
rm_you	BAH	19:44
rm_you	sorry	19:44
jott	not looked at the code yet ;)	19:44
rm_you	you need to install libsqlite3-0	19:44
rm_you	forgot that	19:44
jott	it's installed :)	19:45
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jott	as i said the db lookup seems to be performed	19:45
jott	but the labels are just blank	19:45
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jott	(it would not even launch with a missing lib ;)	19:45
jott	Got UPC data. filling strings...	19:45
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jott	as i said not looked at the code and i don't think i'll manage it today.	19:46
rm_you	err yeah but it should work	19:46
rm_you	any text after "filling strings"?	19:46
jott	upc: 1143380304	19:46
jott	package: 5 x 50	19:46
jott	name:	19:46
jott	mmh it's empty there too	19:46
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rm_you	erk	19:47
rm_you	pick a different item	19:47
rm_you	do they all do that?	19:48
jott	i think so	19:48
overflok1	hi to all	19:48
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rm_you	hrm	19:49
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andre___	GeneralAntilles, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 - what depends on those three packages? how to get these warning messages too?	19:52
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Blafasel	andre___: Use the command given in the report	19:54
Blafasel	apt-get -f install as root	19:54
crashanddie	I have a 2 year degree I obtained after the equivalent to my A-level... How would I translate this ?	19:54
crashanddie	Bachelor of Engineering ?	19:54
crashanddie	(I'm not really translating it, just want to give a rough idea)	19:55
crashanddie	Higher National Diploma ?	19:55
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terbot	portable cellular video camera anyone?	20:03
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Tu13es	crashanddie: what's it say on your diploma? :P	20:05
crashanddie	Brevet de technicien supérieur - Informatique et réseaux pour l'industrie et les services techniques	20:05
Tu13es	no hablo francais	20:05
crashanddie	lol	20:05
crashanddie	I wrote that, and said under it (Diploma in Computer Science and Network Engineering)	20:05
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crashanddie	Tu13es, sound good enough ?	20:07
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Tu13es	shrug	20:07
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Tu13es	I'm confused	20:07
Tu13es	are you not in the US?	20:07
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Tu13es	here we generally have Associate, Bachelor, or Master programs	20:07
crashanddie	why would I be in the US ?	20:08
Tu13es	I figured that'd be the source of my confusion	20:08
crashanddie	no, I'm in France ATM	20:08
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rm_you	jott: ok can you try a new executable? fixed some random stuff	20:12
rm_you	jott: redownload http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode -O maemo-barcode	20:12
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sbaturzio	Aloha!	20:19
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housetier	hello, I am from the c-base and will lurk around if you don't mind :)	20:28
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terbo	portable internet camera anyone?	20:31
Blafasel	housetier: Welcome ;)	20:32
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housetier	we are rather excited about having the summit happening at our place :)	20:34
Blafasel	I'm rather excited taking part (probably) and lurking offline..	20:35
housetier	if you are in berlin, you should come by anytime. it's a very cool place	20:36
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Blafasel	Yep, the homepage looks quite interesting. But it's Cologne for me..	20:36
housetier	Blafasel, I do recall your nick from somewhere else though...	20:39
housetier	ubuntu?	20:39
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Blafasel	No idea, I'm lurking in lots of places.. ;)	20:40
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jott	housetier: i only have been at the bar a couple of times, never been on the other floors :)	20:45
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housetier	jott, when you come by next time, just ask a member if he/she would be willing to show you around	20:49
housetier	if you want to hear LOTS of stories, ask for "hein-c", he's been around from the very beginning	20:50
* jott will try to keep that in mind :)		20:50
jott	housetier: do you know where the main area for the summit will be?	20:50
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jott	(looking at http://wiki.c-base.org/coredump/BauPlan :)	20:51
Tu13es	anyone remember what file I edit to enable the thing that locks the n800 and turns off the screen?	20:51
Tu13es	i forget what ti's called	20:51
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housetier	jott, the loungy stuff will happen in the mainhall. as for the talks and lectures, we rented extra rooms from the acting school next door. there will be plenty of room for 3 parallel tracks, chairs, flipcharts and wireless internet	20:53
housetier	also we'll have a wardrobe, where you can drop your coats, bags, and stuff	20:54
housetier	that'll be in the "ceminarraum"	20:54
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mikkov_	hey, does doxygen work for you in scratchbox armel target. I am getting segmentation fault	20:56
jott	housetier: ah i see. just wondered how this all could fit in the main c-base area ;)	20:58
housetier	that was the first problem we had to solve when Quim wanted to "book us"	20:59
Atarii	Tu13es i was literally just reading your post on itt regarding chumby on 770	20:59
Atarii	is it still a no-go?	20:59
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Tu13es	Atarii: shrug	21:01
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Tu13es	I finally got it working, but it could use a bit of work	21:01
\|\|cw	chumby OS or just the applications?	21:03
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Stskeeps	http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian/ <- can I get some comments on this? :)	21:07
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lcuk_eating	Stskeeps, its a url	21:08
lcuk_eating	it has nits	21:08
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, feature set is v.impressive :)	21:09
Stskeeps	lcuk_eating: mm. nits	21:09
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qwerty12_N800	i've got an spare 3gb ext2 partition on my sd, must grab	21:09
sjgadsby	In the goal statement, it should be "...that is just as functional..." rather than "...that are just as functional..."	21:09
Stskeeps	sjgadsby: ta, was wondering about that myself	21:10
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lcuk	Stskeeps, on that line, the whole tail end of the opener reads wrong a bit	21:11
lcuk	sjgadsby, :) we havent spoken in irc from what i can recall	21:13
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, just a note, in diablo, you don't have to remove the extra stuff.	21:14
sjgadsby	lcuk: I believe you're right. Hi!	21:14
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: extra stuff?	21:14
Stskeeps	ah	21:14
Stskeeps	true	21:14
Stskeeps	initfs	21:14
qwerty12_N800	yep :)	21:14
* lcuk is smiling today		21:14
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: changed	21:15
* lcuk can see nice fast nokia graphics soon		21:15
lcuk	(well, as much as someone outside nokia can see)	21:15
* qwerty12_N800 quite liked the response from nokia		21:16
lcuk	yer i do as well	21:17
rm_you	lcuk: WTF	21:17
lcuk	?	21:17
rm_you	lcuk: if I have an int pointer and i need to set an int to the VALUE of that pointer	21:17
rm_you	it is like	21:17
rm_you	appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]);	21:17
rm_you	right?	21:17
dannym	Stskeeps, you might want to change the link saying "http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/" to <http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs> for convenience :)	21:18
lcuk	is resultlist an int *?	21:18
rm_you	assuming appdata->last_upc_value is just an int	21:18
rm_you	yes	21:18
lcuk	or is resultlist an array of int *	21:18
dneary	hey ho	21:18
rm_you	int *resultlist[MAX_VOTES];	21:18
lcuk	show me the definition line for resultlist	21:18
rm_you	:P	21:18
lcuk	an array of int pointers	21:18
lcuk	what are you expecting it to be	21:18
rm_you	that	21:18
rm_you	an array of int pointers	21:19
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dneary	When's the sprint meeting? I'm not in my usual timezone	21:19
lcuk	why do you need an array of pointers to int (int==32bit value, a pointer==32bit value) just make it an array oif ints?	21:19
lcuk	dneary, :)	21:19
rm_you	lcuk: blame jott	21:19
rm_you	lcuk: it is not my dealie :P	21:19
lcuk	lol is latest in svn?	21:20
rm_you	in a sec	21:20
lcuk	it will help with context	21:20
rm_you	committing	21:20
rm_you	maemo-barcode.c line 545ish	21:20
dannym	rm_you, "the VALUE of that pointer" is the address that is in the slot of the variable? I guess you mean "the value of the slot that is referenced BY the pointer":)	21:20
rm_you	cmmitted	21:20
Stskeeps	dannym: done, ta	21:21
rm_you	yes	21:21
rm_you	*(resultlist[vote]) should get the VALUE of the int thats pointer is in resultlist[vote]	21:21
rm_you	i thought	21:21
rm_you	something there isn't working right	21:21
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rm_you	lcuk: i HATE pointers <_<	21:21
lcuk	that should work	21:22
GNUton	Hi	21:22
lcuk	i believe, its dirty but is legal c as far as i know, lemme just see it in context	21:22
rm_you	lcuk: then tell me why it ISNT	21:22
lcuk	whats actually going wrong though	21:22
rm_you	line 562	21:22
dannym	rm_you: which repository?	21:22
rm_you	dannym: maemo-barcode	21:22
rm_you	lcuk: if i replace	21:23
rm_you	appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]);	21:23
rm_you	with	21:23
rm_you	appdata->last_upc_value = 5;	21:23
rm_you	it prints 5 when i do printf("Last upc: %d\n", appdata->last_upc_value);	21:23
rm_you	but	21:23
rm_you	if i leave it as is, it always prints 0	21:23
lcuk	ok, what value does "vote" hold	21:23
rm_you	erm, some int	21:24
rm_you	appdata->label_text = (gchar *) number_to_string (resultlist[vote]); <---- works	21:24
rm_you	static const char * number_to_string (int *number);	21:24
lcuk	ok readin code now	21:25
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lcuk	firstly, there are bugs where you can go beyond the MAX_VOTES array limit	21:25
lcuk	ahhh no, just silly indenting ;)	21:26
rm_you	jott! all jott! blame jott! :P	21:26
rm_you	i have no idea about his stuff	21:26
rm_you	all of my code is within that one if block	21:26
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jott	he?	21:28
jott	it's a list of ints..	21:28
rm_you	jott: ! :P	21:28
jott	a list of chars would be equally fine	21:28
rm_you	jott: it's a list of int pointers	21:28
jott	yes	21:28
rm_you	getting the value of the right one should be: *(resultlist[vote])	21:28
rm_you	right?	21:28
jott	this should give you a pointer to a int[13] array..	21:29
jott	erm	21:29
jott	the first value of it	21:29
rm_you	GAH what!?	21:29
dannym	rm_you, as I read the code that would get you the first digit :)	21:30
rm_you	blaghnhfdhzseiufgsd	21:30
rm_you	it isn't just an int?!	21:30
jott	no..	21:30
rm_you	bah	21:30
rm_you	k	21:30
rm_you	will write a converter function	21:30
jott	as it's 13 digits not one number	21:30
rm_you	thanks	21:30
rm_you	it CAN be one number	21:30
rm_you	easily	21:30
lcuk	how..	21:31
dannym	ah, the C array / pointer ambiguouty... gotta love C :)	21:31
jott	000001 != 1	21:31
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rm_you	yeah well, the database doesn't discern	21:31
rm_you	it was unavoidable	21:31
rm_you	unless i wanted to spend like 5 more hours generating it	21:31
jott	haha	21:31
rm_you	and it takes less space	21:31
lcuk	thats because your database contains a char[255] for the key :P	21:31
rm_you	no, it contains varchar(13) as the key	21:32
lcuk	w00t	21:32
lcuk	:D	21:32
rm_you	but it apparently IGNORED that when converting from sqlite2 -> sqlite3 via .dump	21:32
rm_you	but it takes less space this way anyway	21:32
rm_you	and doesnt matter	21:32
rm_you	drop leading zeroes	21:32
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rm_you	won't change anything	21:32
rm_you	jott: i still hate your indentation method. so used to tabs <_<	21:33
rm_you	and so much less backspacing <_<	21:33
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jott	pft.. i would indent differently with c++ or java code :P	21:33
jott	if that helps you ,)	21:33
* lcuk noticed the indenting as well. thank god for having a decent ide		21:34
summatusmentis	you indent with spacing?	21:34
jott	yes, tabs are evil :P	21:35
dannym	rm_you, depending on how long you need the value of "last_upc_value" to be valid, it may suffice to just change the type of "last_upc_value" to "int*" having it store the beginning of the array in resultlist :)	21:35
summatusmentis	s/spacing/spaces/	21:35
infobot	summatusmentis meant: you indent with spaces?	21:35
summatusmentis	jott: gross	21:35
rm_you	dannym: yeah i just didnt understand what exactly was in the resultset apparently	21:35
rm_you	yeah	21:35
rm_you	it is nasty	21:35
rm_you	and he converts all the code he touches :P	21:35
rm_you	i should start converting it back :P lol	21:35
\|\|cw	tabs are better for spacing, lets the viewer choose how many "spaces" for na indent, and uses less file space too	21:36
Blafasel	I stick to spaces as well	21:36
dannym	haha the eternal spaces vs. tab issue :D	21:36
jott	heh	21:36
* rm_you agrees with \|\|cw		21:36
lcuk	real men dont indent	21:36
rm_you	lcuk: then real men don't code python? :P	21:36
dannym	write all the code in one line ;)	21:36
Blafasel	hrhr	21:36
dannym	eevil	21:36
jott	\|\|cw: actually the compressed file size is usually smaller with spaces :P	21:37
lcuk	rm_you, i agree, its only girls that code in python for a long time :P	21:37
dannym	O_o	21:37
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\|\|cw	jott: code doens't live compressed	21:38
lcuk	yes it does. svn compresses doesnt it?	21:38
lcuk	or git?	21:38
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jott	\|\|cw: sure it does, every .tar.gz .tar.bz is compressed	21:38
\|\|cw	localy?	21:38
lmoura	lcuk, rm_you: real men code in relays: http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/	21:38
lmoura	:P	21:38
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\|\|cw	lcuk: those are archives, not live	21:39
lcuk	relays, isn't that what young shipper snappers use in place of valves?	21:39
Churl	lcuk: my girl codes c++	21:39
\|\|cw	and svn and git do more than compress, they delta as well	21:39
lcuk	Churl, you're girl is intelligent then :)	21:40
Churl	but I have trouble programing my TI-85 graphing calculator	21:40
dannym	lmoura, wow that thing must be really loud when operating... click click click argh :)	21:40
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Churl	she has math tattoos	21:40
lcuk	and reads xkcd no doubt	21:40
Churl	oh yeah	21:40
lcuk	:D	21:40
Churl	lol	21:40
lcuk	ask her if she will marry me	21:40
Churl	hold on, want me to get her to join?	21:40
lcuk	:D	21:41
Churl	lol hold on	21:41
derf	Tell her C++ is an awful language.	21:41
* lcuk will run away screaming if he ever meets a girl for real		21:41
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rm_you	what is MAX_LONG on tablet?	21:41
lcuk	c++ on the tablet is awful, it takes about 5x longer to compile simple little modules	21:41
skmurphy	I was summoned for a marriage proposal?	21:41
lcuk	lol	21:42
rm_you	haha	21:42
lcuk	skmurphy, you have a trigger for people getting married?	21:42
qwerty12_N800	lol	21:42
Tu13es	mine reads xkcd but no code :P	21:42
rm_you	lcuk: called out :P	21:42
lcuk	some people have the strangest things programmed in	21:42
lcuk	rm_you, i wonder how my real woman would feel :P	21:42
* rm_you just hopes this channel doesn't turn into A/S/L spam		21:43
skmurphy	Heheh	21:43
lcuk	rm_you, we dont need to: we know you are 21/f/usa	21:43
skmurphy	a/s/l/programming language of choice?	21:43
rm_you	lcuk: lol	21:43
jaska	asn.1 spam	21:43
rm_you	my pride, it almost felt that :P	21:43
Churl	26/M/ATL TI-85	21:44
lcuk	NO	21:44
rm_you	85!?	21:44
lcuk	really, just no	21:44
jaska	active template library?	21:44
skmurphy	Atlanta	21:44
rm_you	I did TI-BASIC on 83... and 89... 85!?	21:44
skmurphy	?	21:44
skmurphy	Is there a difference between the 89 and 85?	21:44
Churl	it's what I had in middle school	21:44
skmurphy	I just used it to cheat on tests =/	21:44
Churl	yeah my bro had one	21:44
rm_you	well, I knew the 89 existed, that's one difference	21:44
skmurphy	I never wrote anything neat	21:44
lcuk	my god if this is what its gonna turn out like im not gonna code up my maemo-spy program	21:45
Churl	it was better in a few ways	21:45
skmurphy	Heheh	21:45
sp3000	the xx in TI-xx is the a in asl rather :P	21:45
skmurphy	churl, I know that - I meant as far as programing stuff on it	21:45
rm_you	lcuk: compiling profiles on all irc members via intelligent log parsing? :P	21:45
sp3000	through some obscure mapping	21:45
Tu13es	anyone know how to add Sleep mode or whatever the n800 lacks?	21:45
lcuk	i was hoping to build up a tiny video wall of maemo users live cam images, but if you are all gonna get hot n steamy i wont bother	21:45
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rm_you	heh... hrm	21:46
skmurphy	i thought we'd moved past hot and steamy and on to Texas Instruments (they do say there's a fetish for everything on the internet, though)	21:46
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, nice pun	21:46
rm_you	my convert_number function fails, hard	21:46
lcuk	i have my camera showing me 25mini video images in a scrollable wall: i wanted a semi frequently updating view to allow a group to interact	21:46
lcuk	Rule 34	21:46
Churl	dinosaur comics!	21:46
* lcuk facepalms		21:47
Churl	lol	21:47
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rm_you	my convert_number function fails, hard.	21:48
rm_you	err damnit	21:48
rm_you	anyway, what is max long?	21:48
rm_you	apparently, less than 13 digits <_<	21:48
lcuk	2^32-1 or somethin	21:48
lcuk	yes	21:48
lcuk	muchly so	21:49
lcuk	4294xxxxxx	21:49
rm_you	is there an int64?	21:49
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lcuk	yes, but are you sure you can handle it?	21:49
rm_you	lol	21:49
rm_you	too much int?	21:49
lcuk	MOAR int	21:49
jott	rm_you: something like x=0; for(i=0;i<13;i++) x+=10*i+num[12-i]; ?	21:49
lcuk	im not sure if long longs compile on this system	21:50
rm_you	yes	21:50
lcuk	and i havent used them for a while	21:50
\|\|cw	becareful when overclocking your int's	21:50
lcuk	you would be better keeping the UPN key as a string	21:50
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dannym	rm_you, yes, "unsigned long long" ...	21:50
rm_you	FINE	21:50
rm_you	sec	21:50
rm_you	would that be %lld in printf? :P	21:50
lcuk	dannym, im not so sure it compiles properly, i tried using it in a loop: so i could copy 64bits at a time	21:51
lcuk	it blew chunks	21:51
* lcuk watches with interest tho		21:51
dannym	rm_you, yes	21:51
rm_you	works	21:52
lcuk	nice	21:52
* lcuk goes and tries somethin		21:52
rm_you	gah now WHY is it doing THIS	21:53
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lcuk	dannym, pointer math should work with ull as normal shouldnt it?	21:55
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dannym	lcuk, hmm... it doesn't work here...	21:58
lcuk	i didnt think i was going mad	21:58
lcuk	so ull values can be held but not copied?	21:58
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: you playing with debian?	21:59
lcuk	dannym, this code fails to work no matter what i try for the 64bit copy (ive tried doubles and ull) http://slexy.org/view/s2js20ByOC	21:59
dannym	lcuk, I meant that "unsigned long* position", then "(char*) (position + 1 - position)" is 1... weird...	21:59
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, i'm setting it up. i've installed initfs, i'm getting svn now	21:59
lcuk	if i remove the entire 64bit section it works properly, but with 64bit it cocks up	22:00
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lcuk	(this is the core blitter within liqbase btw)	22:01
RST38h	lcuk: Are you doing it on ARM?	22:02
lcuk	yes	22:02
lcuk	so is rm	22:02
derf	What's wrong with using memcpy?	22:02
RST38h	lcuk: then you are doing it slowly	22:02
rm_you	YAY!	22:03
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: k, if there's any issues, just prod me	22:03
rm_you	lcuk: look at latest svn	22:03
rm_you	r39	22:03
rm_you	i am using long long	22:03
RST38h	lcuk: whatr is the smallest amount of data you would like to transfer?	22:03
rm_you	and it works great	22:03
lcuk	ok rm, will do soon.	22:03
RST38h	rm_you: Your bus is no wider than 32bits	22:03
lcuk	1byte	22:03
rm_you	lcuk: no, i mean, for you :P everything is working perfectly	22:03
RST38h	rm_you: what the hell are you gonna win form using uuls? =)	22:03
lcuk	because it goes upto 800 bytes	22:04
RST38h	lcuk: sure about 1byte thing?	22:04
rm_you	RST38h: ?	22:04
lcuk	]it takes arbitary width bitmaps/glyphs and copies them	22:04
RST38h	rm_you: Imagine what OMAP CPU looks on the inside	22:04
lcuk	yes	22:04
rm_you	i just wanted to store a 13 digit number in one int	22:04
lcuk	single pixel glyphs	22:04
lcuk	letter i	22:04
RST38h	rm_yous: It has a 32bit bus going to SDRAM	22:04
rm_you	it's cool, it works with long long	22:04
rm_you	i dont care about speed / etc	22:04
RST38h	Most likely even 16bit	22:04
rm_you	not calculating on it	22:04
lcuk	its 32	22:04
rm_you	just storing	22:04
RST38h	So when you are using 64bit data it still gets copies in 32bit incremenets internally	22:05
rm_you	RST38h: don't care, it is only for storage	22:05
lcuk	RST38h, totally understood	22:05
RST38h	then there is no need to write such complicated code	22:05
rm_you	i'm not using it for math <_<	22:05
rm_you	it is very un-complicated now, due to use of long long :P	22:05
lcuk	but technically i can replace the 64bit block with SIMD instructions	22:05
lcuk	and move 128bits	22:05
RST38h	you can't	22:05
RST38h	32bit bus, lcuk	22:06
RST38h	you are moving 32bit data	22:06
lcuk	and? if i use 1 instruction instead of 2 and remove 1 add and remove 1 test to loop i save work	22:06
RST38h	ok, should I tell you how to do it?	22:06
lcuk	by all means show me the faster way. at present it only does 32bit	22:07
dannym	lcdd, tried that code here and it works fine...	22:07
dannym	oops	22:07
RST38h	all right, listen here:	22:07
dannym	damn Xchat completion	22:07
Tu13es	wow, soft poweroff is broken in diablo? lame	22:07
RST38h	First of all, if it unaligned addresses or small amount of data, default to memcpy	22:07
lcuk	it doesnt matter - ive tested on and off boundary	22:08
lcuk	its negligable	22:08
RST38h	Now, if it is aligned src/dst addresses and largish amount of data...	22:08
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RST38h	do __asm {	22:08
RST38h	and in there, assign src and dst to two ARM registers and do ldmia/stmia in a loop	22:08
RST38h	that will be the fastest it can get. on an arm. with 32bit memory bus.	22:09
lcuk	100% agree	22:09
rm_you	ooo inline asm :P	22:09
RST38h	Let us see how much you can transfer in one pass of the loop:	22:09
lcuk	but then i cant use the code on x86	22:09
RST38h	lcuk: fuck x86, use memcpy there	22:09
rm_you	lcuk: yeah can optimize...	22:09
RST38h	x86 will survive	22:10
lcuk	why? that works plenty quick enough	22:10
rm_you	#ifdef ARM	22:10
RST38h	let us see...	22:10
rm_you	and do asm	22:10
rm_you	#else	22:10
RST38h	You can make use of R1..R12	22:10
rm_you	do memcpy	22:10
RST38h	R0..R12 rather	22:10
RST38h	because you are not using any local data, R12 is ok to trash	22:10
lcuk	i know i can make use of an awful lot - the asm is very muchly like 68k	22:10
RST38h	R0..R3 are temporaries anyway, R0=dst, R1=src, R2=cunt	22:10
RST38h	count, sorry :)	22:10
lcuk	heh	22:11
derf	I mean, seriously, have you tested memcpy()?	22:11
RST38h	R4..R11 you will have to save	22:11
RST38h	which gives us R3..R11 = 9 registers to play with	22:11
derf	It should check for alignment and do something not too unreasonable on all platforms.	22:11
RST38h	here is what you do:	22:11
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smyows	have alternative for wayfinde maps?	22:11
lcuk	derf, no	22:11
RST38h	ldmia r1!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11}	22:12
RST38h	stmia r0!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11}	22:12
lcuk	RST38h, if i am using asm i will just use the SIMD instructions	22:12
smyows	wayfinder is so expensive to brazilian people	22:12
lcuk	thats way to ragged	22:12
RST38h	subs r2,r2,#(9*4)	22:12
RST38h	bne ==> to ldmia	22:12
lcuk	and too much work for a genereal function that doesnt know specifically how much data it has	22:12
RST38h	lcuk: Once again: your SIMD instructions are no use	22:12
lcuk	and is called for every single glyph on the screen	22:12
lcuk	i would waste time loading it up for no reason	22:13
RST38h	lcuk: you are NOT using 64bit or 128bit data bus	22:13
tank-man	smyows, there is maemo-mapper, but that doesnt do offline routing, but maybe you can use a palm os mapping app to generate routes and export to .gpx format and import that into maemo-mapper	22:13
lcuk	no,but i ask it to move 128bits it will move them	22:13
lcuk	even if it takes 4 passes through the buss	22:13
smyows	tank-man, :) cool	22:13
lcuk	thats handled in 1 instruction	22:13
sp3000	speaking of which, my browser complains about having too little memory every now and then with maemo-mapper running	22:13
crashanddie	did anyone notice stop stuttering on a bluetooth earpiece on the n810 ?	22:13
RST38h	lcuk: It will, but here I have just asked it to move 288bits in 2 instructions	22:13
RST38h	lcuk: and it moved 'em!	22:14
smyows	or get the route on net before	22:14
sp3000	I sort of get the feeling it's being a bit eager about keeping a memory tile cache around or something	22:14
* sp3000 should read code		22:14
lcuk	^	22:14
lcuk	RST38h, you are right of course :)	22:14
RST38h	lcuk: And I didn't even use SIMD which isn't very kosher anyway	22:14
lcuk	you are right, i think SIMD instructions are catholic	22:15
RST38h	SIMD isn't present on low-end ARMs	22:15
RST38h	For example, GameBoy Advance can't SIMD	22:15
* lcuk ponders		22:15
RST38h	OMAP1 can't SIMD for all I know	22:16
dannym	reads <http://www.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/rz/docs/VTune/reference/LDMIA_(Thumb).htm> cool :)	22:16
lcuk	even supposing i dont attempt to use all spare regs (cos i dont want to clobber them)	22:16
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/md9813ac - i have zap's bash2 installed. i'll edit py to install with --force-all :)	22:16
lcuk	hmmm RST38h :)	22:16
rm_you	lcuk: tested barcode yet?	22:17
lcuk	no, my mind has just gone wandering in the trees	22:18
rm_you	heh k keep doing whatev	22:18
RST38h	lcuk: btw, if you want to copy from unaligned addresses or short portions of data, it can also be done elegantly in ARM assembly	22:18
* lcuk likes RST38h's idea		22:18
rm_you	i will find someone to test	22:18
lcuk	unaligned didnt actually make that much difference on here	22:18
RST38h	Then restrict your function to aligned stuff	22:18
RST38h	But you said you wanted it to copy single bytes, etc?	22:19
jott	ssvb did some test a while ago http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse	22:19
lcuk	no, it should work still, ill run some tests, ill start small with 64bit :)	22:19
RST38h	ok	22:19
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: alright, isn't fatal, it's good it checks it first ;)	22:19
jott	(unaligned memcpy)	22:19
lcuk	thanks RST38h	22:19
RST38h	Some "Oksana" is offering "hot assholes filled to the top"	22:20
RST38h	For the 5th time today.	22:20
lcuk	surely they should be filled to the bottom?	22:20
RST38h	Is anybody biting, I wonder...	22:20
zap	qwerty12_N800: do you really want both bash2 and bash3?	22:20
crashanddie	RST38h, I'm trying, but I fail to see how one can bite an asshole	22:21
zap	X-Fade: what will happen with packages in extra-devel if they aren't moved to extras? Will they clutter the -devel repository?	22:21
RST38h	lcuk: well, the spam is in Russian, and I am somewhat ignorant about linguistic correspondence in THIS particular part of the vocabulary	22:21
lcuk	lol	22:21
qwerty12_N800	zap, debian installer wants me to install. i must listen or penguin will put my face in "hot assholes filled to the top"	22:22
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* GAN800 facepalms at 'maemo.org web services'.		22:25
zap	debian installer could depend on bash2 \| bash3	22:25
GAN800	andre___, poke. . .	22:25
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sp3000	why, is the asl database down	22:26
andre___	GAN800, pong	22:26
sp3000	oh noes, the asl database is down!	22:26
sp3000	oh, there it is.'	22:27
GAN800	andre___, normal users shouldn't have been able to see the classifications page.	22:27
andre___	GAN800, err what? where?	22:27
GAN800	Now, I think, you kinda pushed an early launch	22:27
GAN800	X-Fade's bug.	22:27
GAN800	3477 or whatever.	22:28
andre___	Well. People don't need to choose	22:28
andre___	what's the issue, and where? :)	22:28
andre___	we can always revert...	22:28
GAN800	and that should be 'Website', not 'maemo.org web services'.	22:28
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GAN800	'maemo.org' is _never_ capitaziled, anyway.	22:29
andre___	it is Website now :-D	22:29
Stskeeps	zap: i only found bash3 initially.. is bash2 in extras?	22:29
andre___	hmm. that capitalization debate... hmm	22:29
GAN800	Could a normal user tell me what they see when they hig new bug in bugzilla?	22:30
GAN800	andre___, it's not a debate. It's a fact.	22:30
sjgadsby	GAN800: What do you need to know?	22:30
sjgadsby	GAN800: All, Garage, Maemo Software, Maemo.org Website.	22:31
GAN800	sjgadsby, does it ask you to select a classification?	22:31
andre___	oh oh. no cookies for little andre today. ;-)	22:31
sjgadsby	GAN800: Yes.	22:31
Stskeeps	can anyone explain to me what "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakehildon.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.	22:31
Stskeeps	means?	22:31
Stskeeps	in tech terms :)	22:31
GAN800	sjgadsby, you have editbugs?	22:31
sjgadsby	GAN800: I don't think so.	22:31
sjgadsby	I've never been told I do.	22:32
andre___	GAN800, garrr... done. thanks for the comments	22:32
andre___	sjgadsby, you should have i think	22:32
* sp3000 doesn't see it		22:32
sjgadsby	How would I know if I have editbugs?	22:32
GAN800	andre___, there's some template work that needs to be done before we can deploy.	22:32
sp3000	sjgadsby: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions	22:32
GAN800	sjgadsby, pref -> permissions	22:32
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andre___	sjgadsby, now you have :-P	22:33
sp3000	meh, my picks are too heavy	22:33
sjgadsby	Ah, I have canconfirm and editbugs. Nevermind.	22:33
andre___	just gave them to you.	22:33
GAN800	timeless has been shuffling some stuff around while keeping as many of the changes as possible invisible.	22:33
andre___	sjgadsby, use them wisely. common sense blah blah :)	22:33
andre___	GAN800, yeah, that's cool	22:34
sjgadsby	I will strive to use my powers for good instead of evil.	22:34
RST38h	sjgadsby: why?	22:36
sjgadsby	RST38h: Sadly, I tend to be lawful good. I'm terribly unfun.	22:37
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GAN800	andre___, anything you can do to push #3478 more directly?	22:37
sp3000	sjgadsby: so I'm not the only one that is too tempted to click on random numbers :P	22:38
sjgadsby	sp3000: I blame GAN800 for creating tempting clicky things.	22:39
* sp3000 has an excuse, his client is nice enough to linkify things like "bug 3478" usefully		22:39
* GAN800 had put together a bug bot until it generated 101GB of logs in 24 hours.		22:40
dannym	Stskeeps, it means that the loader tried to load something that was mentioned in the environment variable "LD_PRELOAD" and it couldn't...	22:40
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dannym	Stskeeps, probably need to use the complete path else it wouldn't find it half of the time and be a security leak the other times :)	22:41
dannym	security problem*	22:41
GAN800	andre___, another facepalm @ 3472. I don't think you should even be able to see that. . . .	22:41
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, you really need to clear the screen before running cfdisk. i have no idea wtf i am doing :/	22:43
RST38h	(what the hell is this 3472?)	22:43
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: i think cfdisk does clear the screen itself	22:43
GAN800	RST38h, bug number.	22:44
GAN800	You shouldn't be able to see it	22:44
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: are you sshing in or on tablet?	22:45
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, on tablet	22:45
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: ah, that's evil :P try full screen and ctrl-l	22:46
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: i always ssh in, i guess it would be a nightmare on tablet	22:46
qwerty12_N800	hehe, thanks, trying now :)	22:46
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RST38h	GA: It is an advanced backlight bug	22:46
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Stskeeps	for the UI designers among you.. NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg)	22:47
RST38h	Why would it have anything to do with Nokia staff? =)	22:47
GAN800	RST38h, can you see it? . . .	22:47
RST38h	yep	22:47
Stskeeps	er, import -window root	22:47
GAN800	damn. . .	22:47
GAN800	It doesn't	22:47
GAN800	andre___ fails at seeing products. :P	22:48
qwerty12_N800	RST38h, shouldn't have told. now where will we get our evil from :p	22:48
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RST38h	qwerty: I will gladly make a daily human sacrifice for you	22:49
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RST38h	qwerty: When provided with material and disposal facilities of course	22:49
qwerty12_N800	Wow, you would do that for me?	22:49
* qwerty12_N800 sheds a tear		22:49
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RST38h	=)	22:50
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RST38h	qwerty: In exchange, I expect you to talk rm_you into creating a a cpu temp / clock control applet =)	22:51
lcuk	RST38h, i freeze everytime i attempt that opcode or attempt any copy over 32bits. it may be because of unaligned offsets but when i was first testing it i forced font glyphs to be 4 pixels wide all starting at 0, and had same results.	22:52
qwerty12_N800	rm_you, create a cpu temp / clock control applet :p	22:52
lcuk	i have a speed test which draws 1000 lines of a single string, then tells me how many FPS it would get	22:52
rm_you	lol	22:52
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lcuk	my routine comes out with 7fps	22:52
lcuk	memcpy comes out with 3.5	22:52
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lcuk	64bit freezes	22:53
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qwerty12_N800	if kerecv is doing its job right, my cards should be unmounted when removing back cover. lets see...	22:56
RST38h	;cuk: Show me your code	22:58
GAN800	lcuk, who wants to bet mutiny32's going to claim responsibility for the driver progress? :D	22:58
RST38h	lcuk: shoe mr your code	22:58
RST38h	Shit, I forgot how to type on a real keyboard after these two weeks	22:58
lcuk	he better not GAN800	22:58
lcuk	RST38h, 2 mins	22:58
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, don't worry, we'll sort 'im out northern style :p	22:59
rm_you	GAN800: ??	22:59
rm_you	driver progress?	22:59
GAN800	Somebody be cool and reply to my bugzilla meeting note on maemo-community to up the visibility. :P	23:00
GAN800	rm_you, pay attention to the wiki. :P	23:00
rm_you	lol	23:00
rm_you	too much stuff to pay attention to	23:00
qwerty12_N800	so get a bigger attention span then init	23:01
rm_you	/etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span start	23:01
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qwerty12_N800	sh: /etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span not found	23:02
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lcuk	RST38h, http://slexy.org/view/s2JqdOCugn	23:03
lcuk	and that freezes. it never completes a blit	23:03
lcuk	infact, it might not even get to a blit, because i think its something to do with stepping ouit of thumb	23:04
RST38h	lcuk: let me see first	23:04
RST38h	urgh	23:05
RST38h	using gcc inline assembly in such a broken way	23:05
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RST38h	lcuk: I can't guarantee this will work	23:06
lcuk	well that was on the link you provided	23:06
RST38h	don't use inline assembly, make a separate .s file	23:06
lcuk	nor can i	23:06
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RST38h	No, I did not provide you a link with that	23:06
lcuk	that was from http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse/trunk/graphics/inline-asm-mem-16bpp.c	23:07
lcuk	hmmm some1 did lol	23:07
lcuk	the thing is: this has the exact same effect as if i use any kind of 64bit value	23:07
lcuk	i think its a thumb issue	23:07
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lcuk	ahhh, was jott :)	23:08
RST38h	the assembly that is given is arm32	23:09
RST38h	it is not thumb	23:09
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, I'm too lazy to make a swap partition, is it possible to use the .swap already present on my vfat partition?	23:09
lcuk	yes so it will lock up my program if i use it and im compiled to thumb...	23:09
lcuk	i cant remember offhand whether the optimisations did or not or the default is or not	23:10
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zfigz	hey guys	23:10
zfigz	anyone know if you can get skype to use the light on the n810?	23:11
zfigz	so it blinks when a call is coming thru	23:11
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: prolly, we dont use it in installer	23:11
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: just that it might come in handy later	23:11
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lcuk	RST38h, if i put the code into a .s that has its own cpu opcode model (changing is at a functional/file level)	23:12
Stskeeps	so it was advice for installation since its hard to be undone, qwerty12_N800	23:12
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, sfdisk and cfdisk are finding ways to piss me off. i'm not going to risk 5gb worth of data for a swap partition :)	23:12
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: hehe, just ignore it then :)	23:12
Stskeeps	and add a swapon somewhere in rc scripts when time is	23:13
terbo	zfigz: i just started using skype .. it doesnt seem to be very extinsable/feature filled	23:13
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, good idea, i'll just get it to share my maemo one :)	23:13
zfigz	terbo, yeah...but it's better than fring.	23:14
RST38h	lcuk: it should generate a correct BLX opcode for calling it	23:14
terbo	fring? i mean on the n800, specifically	23:15
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GAN800	Gizmo is better than both. . . .	23:17
zfigz	Oh ok	23:17
zfigz	fring.com	23:18
GAN800	Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen on the tablets.	23:19
RST38h	It is much worse on S60	23:19
crashanddie	"(GAN800) Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen" <-- fixed	23:19
RST38h	Takes 1 second to move selection bar between contacts	23:20
zfigz	It was kinda cool on the iPhone but that's because the IPhone doesn't have skype	23:20
crashanddie	RST38h, that's because there's network access everytime you highlight a new contact	23:20
RST38h	crash: WHY?	23:20
crashanddie	RST38h, IIRC, err, check the actions available for a given contact, check if the contact is still online, stuff like that	23:21
crashanddie	in other words: very poorly designed	23:21
lcuk	how do you check if a user is online without going online	23:21
lcuk	checking the network ^	23:21
crashanddie	lcuk, because usually, most protocols integrate a server issued message that tells you when someone goes offline	23:22
crashanddie	lcuk, and clients don't ask for it everytime they want to	23:22
lcuk	servers push status to clients?	23:23
crashanddie	aye	23:23
lcuk	ahhhh, for example: * yerga has quit ("bye bye bye...")	23:23
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crashanddie	easiest way to implement this would be the publish-subscribe design pattern	23:24
crashanddie	lcuk, now you're talking about IRC, I'm talking about MSN/Skype	23:24
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lcuk	crashanddie, the principle is there, freenode tells us when someone enteres or leaves	23:24
crashanddie	lcuk, but yeah, your example still stands	23:25
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, thought about running swapoff before unmounting? "umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy" "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk0p2: Invalid argument"	23:25
zap	Stskeeps: yes, its in extras	23:26
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: add as a ticket - i didn't think of swapoff in the whole cover-installer-ass-in case something is mounted :)	23:26
qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, hah, lol will do soon	23:26
practisevoodoo	has anyone managed to instal PyGTKEditor on diablo?	23:27
Stskeeps	zap: ta, one less package to host :P	23:28
zap	Æ)	23:28
lophyte	practisevoodoo: there's a thread on ITT about that	23:28
practisevoodoo	TO THE INTERWEB!	23:28
lophyte	let me see if I can find it	23:28
Stskeeps	zap: and it doesnt screw up /bin/sh busybox?	23:29
qwerty12_N800	Well, it is set as default to my annoyance...	23:30
zap	Stskeeps: of course not	23:30
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Stskeeps	zap: both chinook and diablo extras?	23:31
zap	íóç	23:31
zap	yep	23:31
lophyte	practisevoodoo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190792&postcount=48	23:32
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practisevoodoo	thanks (pending success)	23:32
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crashanddie	practisevoodoo, that's kinda rude, actually	23:34
practisevoodoo	really?	23:34
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crashanddie	practisevoodoo, someone dug up a link, and you'll only thank 'em if it works ?	23:34
crashanddie	They took interest in your problem, they should be thanked regardless of the results	23:35
crashanddie	:P	23:35
crashanddie	[/rant]	23:35
lophyte	he could've just left and not said anything :P	23:35
practisevoodoo	well it was supposed to be more jokey than serious, should have put a smiley in there	23:35
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practisevoodoo	sorry lophyte	23:35
lophyte	no worries :)	23:36
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camcorder	adblock extension ported to maemo, didn't it?	23:38
qwerty12_N800	it sucks on maemo	23:38
camcorder	slow?	23:38
GAN800	Yes, but's about as slow and crappy as they come.	23:38
GAN800	css/hosts is the way to go.	23:38
practisevoodoo	try flash block though, that worked quite well	23:38
camcorder	thanks to advertisers flash block might be enough	23:40
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camcorder	thanks	23:40
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zfigz	hey guys	23:41
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zfigz	what's the best dictionary for the desktop?	23:41
m-c	camcorder: Have you heard how you can add a list of names to your hosts file to block those malicious websites?	23:42
zfigz	stardict isn't for the desktop it seems	23:42
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camcorder	m-c, not head, but I'd probably prepare a hosts file from filterset.g	23:42
camcorder	m-c, though it might not be very accurate :P	23:42
m-c	Yeah, I have one that I use that is very extensive. I can let you have a copy, if you are interested	23:43
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camcorder	m-c, why not? can you put it somewhere?	23:43
m-c	I will PM you the link	23:43
camcorder	k	23:43
camcorder	thanks	23:43
m-c	Sure thing - if you find any more then let me know so I can add them	23:43
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m-c	You may see where the page looks like it is still loading because it cannot reach the malicious servers. If that bothers you, then you can use proxy software that resolves those lookups quickly and without error.	23:44
jott	zfigz: http://code.google.com/p/stardictproject/downloads/list	23:45
m-c	Privoxy - I believe that is the best one	23:45
zfigz	Thanks Jott	23:45
m-c	And because it is a hosts file, you can be sure no program - even outside your browser - will get to those domain names	23:45
* GAN800 doesn't get people who sign forum posts.		23:48
camcorder	anyone tried profiling adblock?	23:48
zfigz	jott, which do i want to download? the debian vers?	23:48
zfigz	hmm	23:52
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zfigz	"Unable to update stardict. Incompatible application package"	23:52
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N800: going to bed, if there's any issues just leave some info in /msg to me and i'll take a look :)	23:53
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qwerty12_N800	Stskeeps, same here, i don't know if i will be able to finish the install today :)	23:54
Stskeeps	hehe, just let it stand and do it's job :P	23:55
Stskeeps	bbl	23:55
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qwerty12_N800	my router gets turned off :/	23:56
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jott	zfigz: depends on what distro you are using..	23:56
zfigz	jott, i downloaded the stardict from the app manager	23:57
jott	ah on the tablet?!	23:57
jott	you asked for a desktop version..	23:57
zfigz	yeah	23:57
zfigz	:P	23:57
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zfigz	I have it on the N810	23:57
zfigz	sorry about that	23:57
jott	the tablet version is in chinook extras, the official desktop versions are on the google code page..	23:58
zfigz	chinook extras?	23:58
zfigz	via the application manager?	23:58
zfigz	I have the app on the n810	23:58
zfigz	just not sure how to get dictionaries into it and where i go to find the dictionaries	23:59
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