| lcuk | what happens if the compass is null? | 00:00 |
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| rm_you | bah i will just do pixel/pixel | 00:00 |
| rm_you | NO idea what the compass even IS | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | DmtxImage dtmx_lard; dtmx_lard.pagecount=1; dtmx_lard.width=320; dtmx_lard.height=240; dtmx_lard.pxl = malloc(320*240*sizeof(DmtxRgb)); dtmx_lard.compass=NULL; then fill in RGB data(is it a color barcode format?) then pass address of this into the function | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | remember to free the pxl afterwards | 00:02 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: err | 00:03 |
| rm_you | lcuk: take a look at svn | 00:03 |
| lcuk | dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [0] = redpixelatxy; dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [1] = greenpixelatxy; dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [2] = bluepixelatxy; | 00:03 |
| lcuk | you would rather it was formatted wouldnt you | 00:03 |
| lcuk | from the glance that is how i would expect to fill it in anyway, reformat it, lay each stmt out on seperate lines, make sure caps are right and see if it looks like a proper init to you | 00:04 |
| smyows | i run minicom but he says: No termcap entry for xterm | 00:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | apt-get install ncurses-base | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | iirc | 00:05 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: hrm | 00:06 |
| lcuk | whats the decode function called | 00:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk: just checked in the datamatrix code... can run make datamatrix | 00:07 |
| lcuk | im sortin it for you | 00:07 |
| lcuk | well you showed me a structure and svn wasnt working so i filled the structure in | 00:07 |
| rm_you | theres a new file | 00:07 |
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| rm_you | maemo-datamatrix.c | 00:07 |
| rm_you | apologize for horrible indentation | 00:08 |
| rm_you | i didnt ever bother to fix it | 00:08 |
| lcuk | so if the code is already there why did you ask me how to put data into it? | 00:09 |
| rm_you | cause i don't know how to put the pixbuf data into it >_> | 00:09 |
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| rm_you | i've never worked with pixmaps | 00:09 |
| rm_you | thought you might know something about how they work | 00:09 |
| lcuk | you dont have a pixbuf, you have a greyscale char array[y*x] | 00:09 |
| rm_you | pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data(...) not a pixbuf? >_> | 00:10 |
| lcuk | yes, but why when above there you have "static unsigned char buffer[320*240];" which jott wrote code to initialize last night | 00:10 |
| rm_you | err lardman recommended pixmap :P | 00:11 |
| rm_you | but i think i may have given him bad initial information | 00:11 |
| lcuk | or you could use the interleaved YUV buffer (called data[]) in that function | 00:11 |
| rm_you | imaging is not what I am good at >_> | 00:12 |
| lcuk | the jott quick test code has been commented out but it worked well and i wrote a scanner for it last night to identify arbitary guardbars | 00:12 |
| rm_you | I once tried to write a png encoder... which was cool and all, but I dont really understand imaging <_< | 00:12 |
| rm_you | I just need to figure out how to shove the image data into their little proprietary structure thing, and then we're golder | 00:12 |
| rm_you | *golden | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i dont understanda gstreamer, im currently trying to strip out the whole GTK automatic display portion of the stream | 00:12 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:13 |
| lcuk | but when i do its not popping the event saying image ready | 00:13 |
| rm_you | :/ | 00:13 |
| rm_you | ok I will give this another shot | 00:13 |
| rm_you | maybe I should sleep first, been up for about 22 hours again | 00:13 |
| rm_you | third day in a row | 00:14 |
| lcuk | http://slexy.org/view/s21v4d1ZL4 | 00:16 |
| lcuk | put that into static gboolean analyse_image(unsigned char *data, AppData *appdata) its not working cos i wrote it in notepad, but thats how i would expect to use it and init it | 00:17 |
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| jott | hey folks | 00:21 |
| lcuk | hi jott | 00:22 |
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| jott | how is the barcode progressing? ;) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | seems quite productive actually, lots of new stuff has gone in | 00:25 |
| lcuk | i started to draw to the screen to indicate where i found guardbars | 00:26 |
| lcuk | but have encountered a bit of a prob removing the lines i draw | 00:26 |
| lcuk | so im just seeing if theres an alt way | 00:26 |
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| lardman | rm_you: no, I just copied in the main fns from the various test programs | 00:33 |
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| lardman | no idea if they will work or not | 00:33 |
| lardman | sorry | 00:33 |
| rm_you | heh k sec | 00:33 |
| lardman | sorry for the lag | 00:34 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:34 |
| lardman | the thing we will probably need to do it work out what type of barcode it is, and quickly | 00:34 |
| lardman | 1D can be done in real-time, not sure about 2D, though if we drop the framerate to 5fps then it might be better | 00:35 |
| lardman | and still fast enough to see what's going on | 00:35 |
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| jott | camera limits to 8fps so we probably could just skip frames | 00:36 |
| RST38bis | don't you only need 1fps for barcodes?:) | 00:36 |
| lardman | jott: as minimum? | 00:37 |
| jott | lardman: yes | 00:37 |
| lardman | RST38bis: yeah | 00:37 |
| lardman | jott: what are we running at atm | 00:37 |
| lardman | ? | 00:37 |
| jott | 8.. | 00:37 |
| lardman | oh, ok | 00:37 |
| lardman | well make sure the 2D code is quick then ;) | 00:37 |
| jott | when it's set lower then it complains ;) | 00:37 |
| rm_you | jott: look at the svn i am just checking in | 00:39 |
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| rm_you | r29 | 00:40 |
| rm_you | i KNOW a bunch of stuff is broken | 00:40 |
| rm_you | but | 00:40 |
| rm_you | it crashes right after 479... which is where i would expect | 00:40 |
| rm_you | maemo-datamatrix.c | 00:40 |
| rm_you | I think I get what he is doing... but there is virtually no documentation for libdmtx >_> | 00:41 |
| jott | what's datamatrix vs barcode? | 00:42 |
| rm_you | 2d | 00:42 |
| jott | ah ok just stupid c&p :P | 00:42 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 00:42 |
| rm_you | libdmtx is in extras now | 00:42 |
| rm_you | libdmtx0 | 00:42 |
| rm_you | and -dev | 00:42 |
| jott | has it to be rgb? | 00:42 |
| rm_you | this is the only info i have: | 00:42 |
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| rm_you | http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures | 00:43 |
| guenther | Anyone experienced with the internal GPS receiver (diablo, a-gps) versus a decent, but not-so-pricey external receiver? | 00:43 |
| guenther | It seems the a-gps update really makes a difference. | 00:43 |
| guenther | I'm wondering though, how much more I can expect using an external receiver. | 00:44 |
| * guenther ponders fixing some OpenStreetMap's :) | 00:44 | |
| RST38bis | guenther: external still locks faster | 00:46 |
| RST38bis | tested with gpslim240 from holux | 00:47 |
| fnordianslip | i've got a holux m1200 to use with my N800. It is great. | 00:47 |
| guenther | RST38bis: most likely, yes ;) | 00:48 |
| guenther | I'm mostly wondering about the accuracy. | 00:48 |
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| RST38bis | about the same | 00:48 |
| guenther | In particular in the urban jungle -- not standing on top of a hill. | 00:49 |
| guenther | RST38bis: You mean the position accuracy is about the same with an external receiver? | 00:49 |
| guenther | Is the tiny internal one really that good? | 00:50 |
| guenther | Or rather... Do external ones suck just the same? ;) | 00:50 |
| RST38bis | no idea but it is the same | 00:51 |
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| fnordianslip | they wander about a bit, probly about 10m spherical error | 00:51 |
| guenther | yes, exactly | 00:51 |
| guenther | pretty much what I found while doing some testing out there :) | 00:52 |
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| guenther | Actually sometimes it was surprisingly accurate. But then it jumped straight into the house 10m away... | 00:53 |
| RST38bis | maemomapper does not swallow this error unfortunately | 00:53 |
| rm_you | jott: any thoughts? | 00:53 |
| lardman | I've noticed that, but they it doesn't know where roads, etc., are to try to stick to them | 00:54 |
| lbt | any other suggestions for an external BT GPS for the N800? | 00:54 |
| lardman | otherwise you just get damped movement, which is annoying - too laggy | 00:54 |
| fnordianslip | RST38bis: perhaps some form of DGPS might work | 00:54 |
| RST38bis | you can do it without sticking to roads | 00:54 |
| RST38bis | it won't | 00:55 |
| RST38bis | 'cause it needs infrastructure | 00:55 |
| lardman | what do you do then? | 00:55 |
| lardman | use "inertia"? | 00:55 |
| fnordianslip | how about a distributed differential GPS with stationary users multicasting correction data to nearby moving ones | 00:55 |
| lardman | fnordianslip: i.e. DGPS | 00:56 |
| fnordianslip | no. D-DGPS | 00:56 |
| lardman | :) | 00:56 |
| lardman | big processing task | 00:56 |
| RST38bis | lardman: yes. compute from the last 3-5 readings | 00:56 |
| fnordianslip | yeah. post processing was always easier | 00:57 |
| guenther | So... An external receiver would not be worth it? | 00:57 |
| lardman | they are good as they have good battery life & can be stashed somewhere exposed | 00:57 |
| lardman | then connected to when needed | 00:58 |
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| * guenther nods | 00:58 | |
| rm_you | jott: eh? :P | 00:58 |
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| jott | rm_you: sorry not looked at it yet | 01:03 |
| Atarii | rm_you! | 01:06 |
| rm_you | :P | 01:06 |
| rm_you | Atarii: :P | 01:06 |
| Atarii | indeed | 01:06 |
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| Atarii | so 13-7 works woo | 01:06 |
| Atarii | and im a noob tester booo | 01:07 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:08 |
| Atarii | although the graphical bug remains | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, everything about a good external GPS (MTK or SiRF IIIc) is better than the internal. | 01:09 |
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| Atarii | GeneralAntilles does 13-7 work for you? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't tried it yet | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just got back from dinner | 01:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: 0.14-1 | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, I like the i-Blues a lot | 01:10 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Any real life experience? :) | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything MTK-based is good these days. | 01:11 |
| Atarii | 14-1??!??!? | 01:11 |
| Atarii | whats changed? | 01:11 |
| rm_you | Atarii: :P | 01:11 |
| rm_you | updating changelog now | 01:11 |
| guenther | heya General, btw ;) | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi. :) | 01:11 |
| Atarii | changelog is for non-lazy people | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | usuk for being gone for so long. :P | 01:11 |
| guenther | yeah... | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, lots of GPS experience with just about everything except the N810. | 01:11 |
| guenther | GUADEC, plus a few days of recreation needed ;) | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, the N810's internal is about the cheapest chipset imaginable. | 01:12 |
| guenther | yeah... | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | EVERYTHING is better than it. ;) | 01:13 |
| lardman | ...sextant | 01:13 |
| guenther | I'm pondering an external one -- preferably rather small. Good accuracy is the main concern, though. | 01:13 |
| guenther | lardman: haha :) | 01:13 |
| guenther | Go create a map using that device. ;) | 01:13 |
| lardman | and a ship full of limes | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 747 might be a good choice. | 01:14 |
| rm_you | everyone test the -devel 0.14 advanced backlight so i can push it to extras TODAY! | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has internal point storage | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you can generate a track without having to involve the tablet. | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:14 |
| Atarii770 | win | 01:14 |
| * rm_you waits for it to show up in devel | 01:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's see, hildon-desktop is dead, I've got an infobanner that's just showing a blue i-circle and xterm can't decide if it wants to be windowed or maximized | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | fun. | 01:15 |
| rm_you | jott: it hurts because it is so close to actually decoding datamatrix, i just know it :P | 01:15 |
| rm_you | jott: but i am way too tired at this point to think clearly | 01:15 |
| RST38bis | Voters to decide on naming sewage plant for Bush | 01:15 |
| RST38bis | hell, yes! | 01:15 |
| lbt | ta - I was just ebaying and found the holux 1200 at about £30 - the i-Blue 747 is about £40 | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, i-Blue is better. | 01:16 |
| Atarii770 | how long till it is in devel? | 01:16 |
| rm_you | soon | 01:17 |
| lbt | wth.... | 01:17 |
| rm_you | prolly 5 min or less | 01:17 |
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| guenther | GeneralAntilles: btw, what's that "c" in "SiRF IIIc"? A typo? | 01:17 |
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| RST38bis | c is a chipset modification | 01:18 |
| RST38bis | and it is no mtk. | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, lower consumption | 01:18 |
| * guenther sighs | 01:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I would just go with MTK. ;0 | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/0/)/ | 01:19 |
| guenther | I have been googling for these today... | 01:19 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I would just go with MTK. ;) | 01:19 |
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| guenther | Never seen a the "c" variant mentioned though... | 01:19 |
| * RST38bis suspicious about mtk | 01:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "suspicious"? | 01:19 |
| guenther | The "reviews" (or actually, useless blabber) are just confusing me. | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=67511 | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-Blue 737, 747, or 757. | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem solved. ;) | 01:21 |
| guenther | ah, I've seen that one, right... | 01:21 |
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| RST38bis | does iblue ccall 'em after boeing planes? | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh? | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, has andre chatted with you about Garage Tracker -> Bugzilla yet? | 01:28 |
| guenther | sure | 01:29 |
| guenther | Anything in particular? | 01:29 |
| guenther | You know, we're chatting and discussing things outside the channel, too. :-P | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know, but I don't know what. ;) | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing in particular, it's just something that I'd really like to see happen | 01:30 |
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| guenther | yes, me too | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we probably need to get together about it at some oint. | 01:30 |
| guenther | I'm pondering filing maemo-mapper bugs. | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnuite's hitting the road for the next month or two | 01:31 |
| guenther | Or actually, I'm pondering if I really want to use garage tracker... ;) | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | probably a poor candidate. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, no. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't want to use the Garage tracker. ;) | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks ass. | 01:31 |
| guenther | I know. | 01:31 |
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| rm_you | shit, lol, 14-1 is broken, 14-2 coming through | 01:37 |
| Atarii | lol | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, guenther, probably two things that could stand to be poked at in the short term. The template for new bugs (https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:New-bug-mockup.jpg) and adding a couple of search links to the front page for, say, recently filed bugs, recently updated bugs and, maybe, top-ten by number of votes. | 01:37 |
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| rm_you | Zetx: :) | 01:38 |
| Zetx | rm :p | 01:38 |
| guenther | hmm | 01:38 |
| Zetx | I couldn't find where you nickbeep'd me | 01:39 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: Why the votes one? | 01:39 |
| rm_you | Zetx: LONG time ago | 01:39 |
| guenther | I don't want to encourage "me too"s. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenth, no particular reason | 01:39 |
| Zetx | i figured | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just pulling ideas out of my ass. ;) | 01:39 |
| guenther | :) | 01:39 |
| rm_you | Zetx: you aren't active enough | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll know what would be a better set than I, we just need a set. | 01:39 |
| guenther | Adding some *useful* quick searches shouldn't be a problem. | 01:39 |
| rm_you | Zetx: port something :) | 01:39 |
| Zetx | lol | 01:40 |
| Zetx | uhhh | 01:40 |
| rm_you | Zetx: maintain something :) | 01:40 |
| guenther | Though it can be done easily on a per user basis.. | 01:40 |
| rm_you | Zetx: document stuff in Wiki :P | 01:40 |
| rm_you | Zetx: do bug triage on bugzilla | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, my original thought was to modify the default saved search set. | 01:40 |
| Zetx | lol | 01:40 |
| guenther | Zetx: File bugs. Triage later. ;-) | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But timely had a good argument against that. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just adding a couple of search links to the front page should be good. | 01:41 |
| Zetx | lol | 01:41 |
| Zetx | yeah, so i want to buy a thinkpad tablet, camera and bluetooth keyboard | 01:41 |
| Zetx | ugh | 01:41 |
| Zetx | my wallet | 01:41 |
| rm_you | Atarii: well, technically 14-1 is only broken for NON-770s :P | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | DSLR! | 01:41 |
| Zetx | Ant: point & shoot | 01:42 |
| guenther | icanthasdslrburgers | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Point and shoot sux. | 01:42 |
| rm_you | am I missing something? :P | 01:42 |
| guenther | Frankly, all these queries are really easy, and can be explained using a few words only. | 01:43 |
| rm_you | also, Comix on n800 is cool :P | 01:43 |
| rm_you | oh someone needs to update mediabox for diablo | 01:43 |
| guenther | I'd rather like to add something like this to the Bugtriaging wiki pages. | 01:43 |
| rm_you | and put it in extras | 01:43 |
| rm_you | who is the main dev? | 01:43 |
| rm_you | is he/she still around? | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, you see the new bugzilla plugin? | 01:43 |
| guenther | By that, users learn how to use the Search. | 01:43 |
| guenther | What do you mean? | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, he was just moaning about something stupid on itT | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Master of Gizmo, I think. | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Xfade/test | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bugzilla_Reports | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason ours doesn't look like that yet. . . . | 01:45 |
| zap | Are there any special requirements for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26: field? I can't get my icon to display, whatever I do with it | 01:45 |
| guenther | wow | 01:45 |
| rm_you | zap: uuencode? >_> dunno | 01:47 |
| lbt | http://bt747.wiki.sourceforge.net/Manage+iBlue%2C+Qstarz+BT-Q1000+and+iTrek+Z1+GPS+data+loggers+on+Windows%2C+Palm%2C+WinCE%2C+Linux+and+Mac+(opensource) | 01:48 |
| lbt | data logger stuff for the iBlue 744 | 01:49 |
| lbt | 747 | 01:49 |
| lbt | under linux | 01:49 |
| zap | rm_you: I encode into the same place another image, same resolution, same color depth -> it works | 01:49 |
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| rm_you | jott: whatcha doin? :P | 01:50 |
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| guenther | I just need a perfect GPS receiver. ;) | 01:51 |
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| lbt | have to say GeneralAntilles' suggestion of the 747 looks good. Does data logging and BT connection. | 01:52 |
| lbt | negs: BT is 1.2, not 2.0 so download is slow (apparently) | 01:52 |
| zap | omg, it worked | 01:52 |
| lbt | can't datalog and use BT at the same time | 01:52 |
| guenther | right | 01:53 |
| lbt | (apparently) | 01:53 |
| lbt | http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=81315&whichpage=1 | 01:53 |
| guenther | The review mentions "poor plastic" though... | 01:53 |
| lbt | and only available from ebay hong-kong :( | 01:53 |
| guenther | oh | 01:53 |
| guenther | that one is a killer :) | 01:53 |
| lbt | which means if it dies you get to bin it since the return postage is usually a joke... | 01:53 |
| lbt | OTOH, most modern electronics live forever if they last a week... | 01:54 |
| lbt | Nah, not a killer. small risk. | 01:54 |
| guenther | haha | 01:54 |
| guenther | It's been a while since you bought a HDD, eh? ;-) | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Available from Amazon here. :p | 01:55 |
| guenther | Also, I've seen RAM dieing recently... | 01:55 |
| lbt | I have 7 RMA-ed 1 Tb disks in a box behind me.... | 01:55 |
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| guenther | nice | 01:55 |
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| guenther | But they can't be that old. ;) | 01:55 |
| lbt | mmm - not the word I'd use... | 01:55 |
| lbt | no, they all died within a month | 01:56 |
| guenther | oh :/ | 01:56 |
| guenther | What did you mean by "RMA"? | 01:56 |
| churl | Maemo mapper died!!! | 01:56 |
| lbt | faulty, they sent me a replacement | 01:56 |
| guenther | I see... | 01:57 |
| lbt | Samsung may not have the best HDDs | 01:57 |
| guenther | Let me take back the "nice". ;) | 01:57 |
| lbt | but in the UK they're the only one to do advance replacement | 01:57 |
| lbt | nah - no data loss (I do linux-raid in another life) | 01:57 |
| lbt | all for the MythTV box.... <sigh> | 01:58 |
| guenther | hmm | 01:58 |
| guenther | You had the disk returned 7 times? | 01:58 |
| lbt | I have 9 disks... | 01:59 |
| guenther | Or actually all in the video box? | 01:59 |
| lbt | well, 5 in one box, 4 in another | 01:59 |
| GreyFoxx | lbt: Gotta keep the recordings safe :) | 01:59 |
| lbt | absolutely | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1TB drives are getting cheap | 02:00 |
| lbt | yup <£100 each | 02:00 |
| guenther | So you started collecting videos that will last until you retire? ;) | 02:00 |
| GreyFoxx | With 1TB drives coming down I'm tempted to merge my slave backend into a single master | 02:00 |
| lbt | we have TV shows from 3 years ago | 02:00 |
| GreyFoxx | 1 less box to heat my house :) | 02:00 |
| lbt | yes - that's another good thing about them - more storage, less heat/power | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | My 7 drives total up to only 1.4TB | 02:00 |
| lbt | if $ not an issue then you get 3x1Tb, more space and resilience, and less heat | 02:01 |
| lbt | And they also store the NFS roots for all the frontends (Bedroom, lounge, bathroom) | 02:02 |
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| lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ | 02:02 |
| lbt | :D | 02:02 |
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| GreyFoxx | heh yeah | 02:03 |
| guenther | bathroom frontend... | 02:03 |
| lbt | it was mrs lbt who wanted it.... | 02:03 |
| lbt | I said no | 02:03 |
| guenther | WOW | 02:03 |
| lbt | clearly she won | 02:03 |
| GreyFoxx | That's yours? I've seen that photo before | 02:03 |
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| lbt | it is | 02:04 |
| guenther | That's yours? | 02:04 |
| guenther | That's actually pretty cool. | 02:04 |
| lbt | GreyFoxx: I used to do more on myth users - I setup the original wiki... | 02:04 |
| GreyFoxx | cool | 02:04 |
| guenther | And makes a whole more sense for the tub than... say, the loo. | 02:04 |
| lbt | it's a £50 Dell from eBay in the loft | 02:04 |
| lbt | and a super cheap LCD | 02:05 |
| GreyFoxx | lbt: ahh the one that got moved to wiki.mythtv.org | 02:05 |
| lbt | indeed... | 02:05 |
| GreyFoxx | <<-- one of the crazy people with commit to mythtv | 02:05 |
| lbt | hello | 02:05 |
| lbt | :) | 02:05 |
| lbt | so you've seen mythtomer then? | 02:06 |
| GreyFoxx | I'm writing in support for dvd changers and streaming them from the backend. So my 200disc dvd changer in the basement (firewire connected) can be streamed to any remote FE | 02:06 |
| lbt | nice... | 02:06 |
| lbt | I still walk over and stick it in the slot... | 02:06 |
| GreyFoxx | lbt: Not yet. Still waiting for a working N810 to arrive :/ | 02:07 |
| GreyFoxx | the first wouldn't power up | 02:07 |
| lbt | :( | 02:07 |
| lbt | mythtomer is a nice idea - needs to be much smarter though | 02:07 |
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| GreyFoxx | my first project with the n810 was gonna be a remote using the telnet interface to the FE. But if someone already has one started, then cool :) | 02:07 |
| lbt | adaptive to what myth is doing at the moment... | 02:08 |
| lbt | yes indeed - but he seems to do it by simulating X events... | 02:08 |
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| lbt | which is ...... interesting | 02:08 |
| GreyFoxx | heh ah a little odd :) | 02:08 |
| lbt | but it's a bit like X10 .... too stateless | 02:08 |
| GreyFoxx | at least with the avialability of the telnet controls | 02:08 |
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| lbt | bought a 747 :) | 02:18 |
| lbt | 'night all ... | 02:19 |
| pppoe_dude | hello. quick question about the n810 and GPS. Do I need a subscription to get maps? | 02:19 |
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| pppoe_dude | and also, are there alternatives | 02:19 |
| guenther | subscription? | 02:19 |
| guenther | The "map" application that comes with the n810 features free maps. | 02:20 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, ok that's what i was wondering | 02:20 |
| guenther | You only need to pay for additional services, like navigation. | 02:20 |
| pppoe_dude | europe and north america included? | 02:20 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, you mean driving directions and such? | 02:20 |
| guenther | yes | 02:20 |
| pppoe_dude | ok | 02:21 |
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| guenther | Europe is split up in separate maps. | 02:21 |
| guenther | Usually a country, sometimes more than one. | 02:21 |
| Atarii | rm_you | 02:21 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, ok but all included with the map application? | 02:21 |
| guenther | pppoe_dude: Any particular country? I could check the available maps... | 02:22 |
| rm_you | Atarii: | 02:22 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, well right now i'm thinking UK and canada | 02:22 |
| Atarii | so 14-2 installs and works fine, but has no icon | 02:22 |
| Atarii | apart from when volume is 0 | 02:22 |
| guenther | Separate download required for most of them. But it is free. | 02:22 |
| rm_you | Atarii: working on it | 02:22 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, ok that answers my question thanskl! | 02:22 |
| rm_you | Atarii: what theme | 02:22 |
| Atarii | hildon | 02:22 |
| guenther | Also, there s maemo-mapper (using images, no vectors), but it is cool. | 02:22 |
| rm_you | Atarii: yeah | 02:22 |
| rm_you | Atarii: give me a minute | 02:23 |
| rm_you | found more bugs | 02:23 |
| Atarii | infacy | 02:23 |
| Atarii | all themes | 02:23 |
| rm_you | 14-3 should be there soon | 02:23 |
| rm_you | Default should work :/ | 02:23 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, like aerial view? | 02:23 |
| Atarii | no its the same, no icon apart from when volume is 0 | 02:23 |
| Atarii | brightness works like a charm though :) | 02:23 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, also, would you know how the n810's gps compares with the nokia n95;s? | 02:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:24 |
| rm_you | i just can't win | 02:24 |
| Atarii | lol | 02:24 |
| guenther | Canada, UK & Ireland -- available for map | 02:24 |
| guenther | aerial view? | 02:24 |
| Atarii | is brightness "0" visible on 770/n800 in bright sunlight? | 02:24 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, oh never mind about that | 02:24 |
| GAN800 | Yes, Maemo Mapper can use satelite maps. | 02:24 |
| guenther | Well, maemo-mapper can use bitmap based maps. | 02:24 |
| pppoe_dude | guenther, yes i thought you meant aerial photos :) | 02:24 |
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| GAN800 | Atarii, not really. | 02:25 |
| guenther | Google (Satellite, Street, etc), OpenstreetMap.org, ... | 02:25 |
| guenther | Personally, I love mapper. | 02:26 |
| guenther | Populating maps can be a little bit work to get in a lot of resolutions, but it is just great. | 02:26 |
| pppoe_dude | im really conflicted between n810 and n95 | 02:26 |
| pppoe_dude | n810 is sweet coz it's linux and it has keyboard | 02:27 |
| guenther | Really nice and clean view, because it is not rendered. | 02:27 |
| pppoe_dude | n95 is sweet because i can get it real cheap | 02:27 |
| guenther | heh | 02:27 |
| guenther | The display isn't the same either. ;) | 02:27 |
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| GAN800 | N810 is down to $299 | 02:27 |
| pppoe_dude | GAN800, ? where from | 02:27 |
| Knirch | pppoe_dude: n95 or n95 8GB ? :) | 02:27 |
| GAN800 | CompUSA | 02:27 |
| guenther | The n810 display just rocks" | 02:27 |
| pppoe_dude | Knirch, n95 | 02:28 |
| Knirch | pppoe_dude: :( | 02:28 |
| rm_you | Atarii: OK, so *NOW* a new version is going to -devel that should be fixed | 02:28 |
| Atarii | 14-3 | 02:28 |
| Atarii | ? | 02:28 |
| rm_you | I really hope no one upgraded to the 14-1 in extras <_< 14-3 will be there soon | 02:28 |
| pppoe_dude | i think i wanna get the n810, but so far i can only find it for around $400 with shipping in canada | 02:28 |
| rm_you | yes | 02:28 |
| Knirch | (why nokia didn't rename it is beyond me, the difference between coworkers n95 and gfs n95 8GB is night and day) | 02:28 |
| jahor | GAN800: my n810 is down all the time... but not becouse the price, because its randomly rebooting ;( | 02:29 |
| pppoe_dude | GAN800, do they ship to .ca? | 02:29 |
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| GAN800 | jahor, then something is broken. | 02:29 |
| GAN800 | jahor, I'm gonna call it a corrupt internal card. | 02:30 |
| GAN800 | pppoe_dude, doubtful. Road trip? | 02:30 |
| jahor | GAN800: it looks so. i reformated the internal flash, did a reflash, but after diablo upgrade it's not stable | 02:30 |
| pppoe_dude | GAN800, :S | 02:30 |
| GAN800 | Something you installed, then. | 02:31 |
| jahor | GAN800: but it's not only rebooting.... response to lock key/fullscreen key is sometime realy realy slow and keyboard is sometime not working at all | 02:31 |
| jahor | GAN800: vanilla diablo. nothing special installed. i will try chinook againe to tray if it's problem only with diablo. | 02:32 |
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| * guenther feels like taking mapper out for walk | 02:36 | |
| guenther | later guys | 02:36 |
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| zap | what the application manager will do if an app depends on a virtual package, and there are two packages providing it? | 02:40 |
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| rm_you | zap: give an error and return | 02:41 |
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| sp3000 | tested or guessed or documented? | 02:41 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, go to bed mate | 02:43 |
| rm_you | soon | 02:43 |
| rm_you | gotta wait to push this to extras | 02:43 |
| lcuk | i thought i was bad sleep pattern wise | 02:43 |
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| rm_you | i do 24 awake -> 14 asleep | 02:43 |
| rm_you | and loop. | 02:43 |
| lcuk | like i had to compile last night :) | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | i used to drift like that :) lock yourself onto a time and stick to it or you wont get a job :P | 02:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:44 |
| lcuk | my algorithm for barcodes was wrong, but ive got a testbed now that i can draw over the top of the image :) | 02:45 |
| rm_you | i am still sad that that datamatrix code is so close and i can't finish it | 02:45 |
| lcuk | unfortunately ive had to drag the rest of liqbase in to do it ;) | 02:45 |
| rm_you | i can barely think | 02:45 |
| rm_you | i just pushed a BROKEN package to extras >_> | 02:45 |
| lcuk | oh no, whats wrong with it? | 02:45 |
| rm_you | so i hafta wait for this to build and push before i can sleep | 02:45 |
| rm_you | lcuk: oh, well, just that the advanced backlight applet doesn't, in this particular release, CHANGE THE BACKLIGHT LEVEL. | 02:46 |
| lcuk | hahaha | 02:46 |
| rm_you | the slider moves nicely from side to side though :P | 02:46 |
| rm_you | completely lag free! | 02:46 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:46 |
| rm_you | and SOMETIMES it even displays the correct icon! | 02:46 |
| * rm_you kries | 02:46 | |
| lcuk | thats like making rice pudding and forgetting the rice :D | 02:46 |
| rm_you | it works on 770! :P | 02:47 |
| lcuk | (my nana did that once :D) | 02:47 |
| lcuk | PMSL | 02:47 |
| rm_you | it works ONLY on the platform it never worked on before | 02:47 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:47 |
| rm_you | i forgot to remove the test code that forced it to the 770 update mode <_< | 02:47 |
| rm_you | I blame GeneralAntilles for the hell of it :P | 02:48 |
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| Atarii | having a slider that moves and does nothing? now you know how we feel! | 02:48 |
| Atarii | felt* :p | 02:48 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, :) well done | 02:49 |
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| rm_you | gah that datamatrix stuff is just sitting there taunting me | 02:53 |
| rm_you | ok, one more shot | 02:53 |
| rm_you | libdmtx0 is in extras now BTW if you want to test :P | 02:54 |
| rm_you | with the whole nothing it will do as it crashes | 02:54 |
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| rm_you | Atarii: 14-3? | 02:58 |
| rm_you | works GREAT on my end | 02:58 |
| rm_you | oh, didnt make it to chinook yet | 02:58 |
| rm_you | ... wtf | 02:58 |
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| GAN800 | lol | 02:59 |
| Atarii | its here | 02:59 |
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| rm_you | GAN770: ? | 03:00 |
| GAN800 | <_< | 03:02 |
| GAN800 | One sec | 03:02 |
| GAN800 | I guess I need to put some info on the website for the 770 | 03:02 |
| GAN800 | changelog in the deb in good shape? | 03:03 |
| rm_you | i updated it a bit | 03:03 |
| Atarii | works great | 03:03 |
| rm_you | look at it first | 03:03 |
| rm_you | most of the stuff should be there | 03:03 |
| Atarii | i needed to reload via "Panels" in control panel for it to show | 03:03 |
| * rm_you was very bored waiting three times for the autobuilder | 03:03 | |
| rm_you | GAN800: oh, need to update the links to point to -3 | 03:04 |
| rm_you | thats pretty much it | 03:04 |
| GAN800 | Installing. . . . | 03:04 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, it's fine. | 03:06 |
| rm_you | 770 and N800? | 03:08 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, fine. | 03:09 |
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| rm_you | great. | 03:13 |
| rm_you | AWESOME. | 03:13 |
| Atarii | congrats | 03:13 |
| rm_you | *SPEC-FREAKING-TACULAR* | 03:13 |
| rm_you | I | 03:13 |
| rm_you | am | 03:13 |
| rm_you | going | 03:13 |
| rm_you | to sleep | 03:13 |
| GAN800 | lukz | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Garage Tracker is so bad | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there no way to delete custom field items? | 03:31 |
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| derf | Of course, I get off work, and they all go to bed. | 03:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Garage iz ded | 03:59 |
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| lcdd | i wouldn't care if it didn't use 5-50% of cpu time to no end | 04:16 |
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| F-i-G | hi | 04:27 |
| F-i-G | I need some help with flashing my new N810 using OS X | 04:27 |
| F-i-G | I'm really confused | 04:27 |
| F-i-G | I downloaded the latest Diablo update | 04:27 |
| F-i-G | I can't find any helpful instructions | 04:27 |
| johnx | F-i-G, https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 04:28 |
| johnx | :) | 04:28 |
| GAN800 | ~flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 04:29 |
| infobot | ...but flashing is already something else... | 04:29 |
| johnx | ~flashing | 04:29 |
| infobot | well, flashing is covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 04:29 |
| GAN800 | That article title sucks. | 04:30 |
| johnx | yeah, it has no love from google | 04:30 |
| GAN800 | It implies using SSU now, too. | 04:30 |
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| GAN800 | 'Flashing' might work. | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | ugh | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | this is sooo confusing | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: `<html> | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | i suck | 04:31 |
| GAN800 | Just use 770flasher. :/ | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | I tried | 04:31 |
| F-i-G | It wouldn't recognize the usb device | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: `<html>' | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | I suck | 04:32 |
| GAN800 | Did you follow the instructions? | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | I sure did | 04:32 |
| F-i-G | to the T | 04:32 |
| johnx | I think something happened when you copied and pasted :) | 04:33 |
| johnx | try just typing the command out by hand | 04:33 |
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| wiza | there could be also something said in the wiki that it only works on PPC macs | 04:34 |
| GAN800 | wiza, no, because that would be a lie. | 04:34 |
| wiza | which is weird since most of the macs I currently ran into are all intel macs, might be something to do with the fact that apple only sells intel macs | 04:34 |
| GAN800 | Like I told you the last time, Safari mangles the download sometimes. | 04:34 |
| wiza | umm, I tried it, it just wont work | 04:35 |
| F-i-G | damn | 04:35 |
| GAN800 | wiza, it's not weird, the binary was corrupted | 04:35 |
| F-i-G | same thing | 04:35 |
| wiza | says that wrong cpu type stuff | 04:35 |
| F-i-G | argh | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiza, like I said | 04:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The binary is corrupted | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thousands and thousands of people use flasher-2.0 just fine under Rosetta | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Including me. | 04:36 |
| wiza | aah | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | F-i-G, just use 770Flasher. | 04:36 |
| F-i-G | ok guys | 04:36 |
| F-i-G | what's the home button? | 04:36 |
| F-i-G | I just got this | 04:36 |
| F-i-G | so | 04:36 |
| F-i-G | says to turn it on while holding the home button | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't know where the Home button is, then you didn't follow the instruction "to the T" | 04:37 |
| F-i-G | you're right | 04:37 |
| F-i-G | so | 04:37 |
| F-i-G | where's the home button? | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the lowest button on the front | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | two overlapping rectangles. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to volunteer to upload the Swap and Home key pictograms onto the wiki? | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | If anybody is up for a laugh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204681&postcount=55 | 04:43 |
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| F-i-G | hey guys | 04:47 |
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| F-i-G | Any idea how to see what vers of the firmware i'm running? | 04:47 |
| F-i-G | just wanna be sure everything went thru etc | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | If it rebooted, it's fine. | 04:48 |
| Dekaritae | http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3408772&sku=N529-1156&srkey=n810 | 04:48 |
| F-i-G | :) | 04:48 |
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| budman | anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo? | 05:05 |
| F-i-G | haven't tried | 05:14 |
| F-i-G | I just got one | 05:14 |
| F-i-G | one sec | 05:14 |
| F-i-G | lemme try | 05:14 |
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| GAN800 | johnx, your avatar is perfect for that thread. | 05:21 |
| johnx | I think it adds a feeling of piece and tranquility to an emotional situation :) | 05:21 |
| johnx | s/piece/peace | 05:22 |
| johnx | whatever | 05:22 |
| johnx | I half wanted to just type "lulwut?" and leave it at that | 05:22 |
| GAN800 | I love the 'submersion cooler PC' bit. | 05:22 |
| GAN800 | That's the cherry on the beautiful ice cream sunday. | 05:23 |
| johnx | "installs operating systems for a living" | 05:23 |
| GAN800 | Wow, you work at Best Buy? | 05:23 |
| johnx | that or he's a junior windows tech at some company | 05:23 |
| GAN800 | Damn, what do they pay you $8, $10 an hour? | 05:23 |
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| Grackle | What thread is this? | 05:28 |
| johnx | "Does diablo support A2DP?" or similar | 05:28 |
| johnx | the link is in the scrollback | 05:28 |
| GAN800 | I like blacknight's crosspostings between the lists and itT | 05:29 |
| guenther | F-i-G: You probably figured it out already, but... | 05:29 |
| guenther | The "home" button s the *top*most button (unlike GAN told you, hey General ;-) on the front. | 05:30 |
| guenther | Without sliding out the keyboard. | 05:30 |
| guenther | The overlapping "window" rectangles. | 05:30 |
| lcuk | cant we get a picture of an 800 and 810 with a big highlighted area for the home key of both? | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Right, right, they're inverted from the N800. | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, I said pictograms for the wiki | 05:31 |
| lcuk | link it when someone asks what key | 05:31 |
| GAN800 | Like they have in the manual. | 05:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 05:31 |
| guenther | F-i-G: Settings / Control Panel / About Product | 05:32 |
| GAN800 | Better to solve it at the source. | 05:32 |
| guenther | that's ^^ where to see the version | 05:32 |
| guenther | diablo == 4.2008.23-14 | 05:32 |
| lcuk | do you always wanna dig into the box and grab the notes for things? if it makes life simpler - they are here asking already | 05:32 |
| * lcuk looks for pics | 05:33 | |
| guenther | GAN800: frankly, the "hold home button" seriously confused me, too... | 05:33 |
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| guenther | it changed place and icon | 05:33 |
| GAN800 | guenther, lol | 05:34 |
| GAN800 | The pictogram should be on the device somewhere. | 05:35 |
| guenther | It's not... :/ | 05:35 |
| GAN800 | er, software-wise | 05:35 |
| GAN800 | It's in the manual pages. | 05:36 |
| guenther | The first googlinh hits told me about "looks like a home"... | 05:36 |
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| guenther | That's N800. | 05:36 |
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| guenther | The N810 does show the overlapping window rectangles only. | 05:36 |
| GAN800 | Right, which is why we need to pull the pictogram off the device from the Help pages to stick in the wiki. | 05:37 |
| guenther | Also, I glimpsed the manual PDF. | 05:37 |
| GAN800 | Yes, I know. ;) | 05:37 |
| guenther | Didn't find it in there. | 05:37 |
| guenther | 2 minutes of googling more proofed to be better results ;) | 05:37 |
| Grackle | Okay, that guy is indeed a bit of a rambling idiot, but I would agree with what he's getting at about the Nokia IT's not being terribly useful for the average noob. | 05:37 |
| GAN800 | Well, somebody open up InkScape and pen one up. | 05:37 |
| GAN800 | Grackle, bs | 05:38 |
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| GAN800 | Lots of nubs use them just fine. | 05:38 |
| Proteous | damn n000000000bs | 05:38 |
| GAN800 | They're great browser/IM/solitaire machines. | 05:38 |
| GAN800 | But that argument has been played out a thousand times. | 05:38 |
| GAN800 | See itT for details. | 05:39 |
| Grackle | They're passable browser/IM/solitaire machines. | 05:39 |
| * guenther takes a "home button" note | 05:39 | |
| Proteous | vnc and ssh in my pocket!! | 05:39 |
| Proteous | server admin on the go | 05:39 |
| GAN800 | Grackle, passable compared to what, exactly. | 05:39 |
| Proteous | IN MY POCKET MAN!! | 05:39 |
| Proteous | don't forget that part | 05:39 |
| GAN800 | My sister's a nub, she uses hers all the time. | 05:39 |
| ricko73 | don't feed the troll... | 05:40 |
| Proteous | NOM NOM NOM NOM | 05:40 |
| johnx | hey cool, earthquake | 05:41 |
| GAN800 | woo | 05:41 |
| Proteous | where? | 05:41 |
| GAN800 | Hide under the ceiling fan! | 05:41 |
| johnx | GAN800, damn! I need to turn it on first or it won't help | 05:41 |
| Grackle | Me? I'm not trying to troll. I have an N800 and I think it's a pretty neat device, but I'm quite painfully aware that it is difficult to use without the stylus, the RSS reader doesn't fit nicely on the screen, flash support is terribly flaky, and many applications and features are pretty ugly. | 05:41 |
| johnx | Proteous, here :) | 05:42 |
| Proteous | *groan* | 05:42 |
| Luria | nub nub nub | 05:46 |
| Luria | hmmm | 05:46 |
| guenther | Proteous: japan ;) | 05:46 |
| Proteous | :P | 05:47 |
| * johnx waits for the quake to show up in the usual places online, wonders if maybe it was just a passing truck | 05:48 | |
| GAN800 | lol | 05:48 |
| GAN800 | we had a small quake one time here, my mother was yelling at my sister to stop jumping in the bed. | 05:49 |
| Grackle | haha | 05:49 |
| budman | anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo? | 05:49 |
| GAN800 | s/in/on/ | 05:49 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: we had a small quake one time here, my mother was yellong at my sister to stop jumping in the bed. | 05:49 |
| GAN800 | gj, infobot | 05:50 |
| johnx | budman, what do you mean "updating"? getting a new version? | 05:50 |
| GAN800 | ~slap infobot | 05:50 |
| * infobot slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 05:50 | |
| johnx | infobot, stop hitting yourself | 05:50 |
| * infobot leaps to his feet and stops hitting yourself | 05:50 | |
| Grackle | Speaking of passing trucks, the southbound section of the interstate passing through my area (I-95) is shut down for reconstruction. All the traffic is detoured onto route 201, which is the road I live on. That's an additional 1500 cars per hour at 45mph. Wheee. | 05:50 |
| guenther | HAHA | 05:50 |
| GAN800 | Throw rocks at the cars. | 05:51 |
| guenther | GAN800: An RE applies once. First match. ;-) | 05:51 |
| Grackle | hahah yellong *just read up* | 05:51 |
| GAN800 | He should be cool and assume whole word for irc. | 05:51 |
| lcuk | Grackle, take a lawn chair out. sit near the road and point a hair dryer at the cars. | 05:51 |
| Grackle | haha lcuk | 05:51 |
| Grackle | There are already assloads of cops | 05:52 |
| Grackle | But... That would be amusing. | 05:52 |
| GAN800 | Grackle gets to have his picture taken tonight! | 05:52 |
| lcuk | and a lovely trip "down town" | 05:52 |
| Grackle | Mhmm. | 05:53 |
| * GAN800 really hates the harsh orange toolbar in bugzilla. | 05:53 | |
| guenther | GAN800: just add a space if you mean words :) | 05:55 |
| * guenther sighs | 05:55 | |
| guenther | yeah, the branding isn't my preferred color either | 05:55 |
| GAN800 | Yes, guenther, I know how to use it, I'm lazy and on a finger keyboard here, though. :P | 05:56 |
| guenther | heh | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | It's irrelevant now, though, as it'll all be changing soon enough. | 05:56 |
| guenther | You're dealing with a dumb bot. | 05:56 |
| Grackle | So, random subject.. I rebuilt my laptop battery with larger cells and an extra chain of batteries (it was originally 3 2200mAh cells, now I have two series chains of 2600mAh cells in parallel). I wonder if it's possible to modify the battery's controller to have it report the new configuration. | 05:56 |
| guenther | Keep that in mind. ;) | 05:56 |
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| Grackle | GAN800, I've gotta say, I'm impressed by your abilities with that keyboard. | 05:57 |
| Grackle | That's the N800 onscreen keyboard, right? | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | Maybe three steps towards white wouldn't hurt, though. . . . (like the wiki mainpage) | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 05:58 |
| johnx | woo! usgs got me the quake info. It was a 6.6 off the coast O_o | 05:58 |
| Grackle | Cool. | 05:58 |
| GAN800 | I've been practicing since the middle of 2006 | 05:58 |
| Grackle | wow johnx | 05:58 |
| derf | Also, GA talks a lot. | 05:58 |
| Grackle | haha | 05:58 |
| Grackle | irc taught me to type fast >.>; | 05:58 |
| guenther | nice speed with the device :) | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | derf, gotta whore for that discount code. ;) | 05:59 |
| derf | GAN800: Damn straight. | 05:59 |
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| guenther | Anyway, I really should get some sleep. Later folks... | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | night | 05:59 |
| johnx | 'night guenther | 05:59 |
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| Proteous | n810 for $300 US http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3408772&sku=N529-1156&srkey=n810 | 06:00 |
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| GAN800 | I momentarily considered that this morning, but then I remembered the N810 is just an N800 with less storage. ;) | 06:01 |
| derf | They have 8GB cards for reasonable prices now, right? | 06:04 |
| derf | For MiniSD or whatever the crap it uses. | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 06:04 |
| GAN800 | But they also have 16GB cards for more reasonable prices now, too. :D | 06:04 |
| derf | It's not 32GB, but it's pretty good. | 06:05 |
| Proteous | depends if like a keyboard or not | 06:05 |
| derf | Really, the transreflective screen is the big winner for me. | 06:05 |
| GAN800 | I'm ready for 32GB cards to be under $100 | 06:05 |
| derf | The keyboard kind of sucks. | 06:05 |
| derf | But being able to read it in full sunlight = <3 | 06:06 |
| mouser- | derf: The keyboard isn't ideal by any means, but I prefer it over not having anything. Also, the transreflective screen is amazing. | 06:06 |
| derf | mouser-: Well, the advantage of the onscreen keyboard is I can move keys around and add the missing ones back. | 06:09 |
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| mouser- | derf: You mean remap the keys, like adding the tab key? | 06:11 |
| mouser- | I'm in the process of installing Diablo on it and hopefully getting the USB f-f adapter to work so I can attach flash drives and a keyboard to it. | 06:11 |
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| budman | anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo? | 06:24 |
| mouser- | budman: not yet, but give me a few minutes and I'll try it out. I'm in the process of restoring the backup. | 06:25 |
| budman | k | 06:25 |
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| budman | forgot if i recently asked :) | 06:25 |
| budman | its driving me nutz though webmail works nice. i like the client | 06:25 |
| johnx | budman, what do you mean "update." sorry if you answered me before, but I didn't see it | 06:26 |
| budman | it says modest email has update | 06:26 |
| budman | then goes through the update and wont update | 06:26 |
| johnx | hmm | 06:26 |
| budman | errors every time | 06:26 |
| budman | I have 3 n800s all the same. | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | Remoce the Modest beta repo. | 06:27 |
| budman | Email client was working tho all of a sudden account was removed and now say device full | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | s/Remoce/Remove/ | 06:27 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Remove the Modest beta repo. | 06:27 |
| johnx | if you saved your repos from chinook, the old chinook modest repo is interfering (like GAN800 said) | 06:28 |
| budman | all flashed fresh. | 06:28 |
| budman | but i used that website to add all repos | 06:28 |
| budman | probly shouldnt have? | 06:28 |
| johnx | ahaha | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | lol . . . | 06:28 |
| johnx | so much no | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | Why do people think that's a good step. | 06:28 |
| budman | ha :) | 06:28 |
| johnx | someone suggested it a long time back | 06:28 |
| budman | we are a rook | 06:29 |
| GAN800 | gronmayer should make the warning text 10x bigger. | 06:29 |
| budman | rooks happens. | 06:29 |
| budman | i did it the day of wasnt text i believe | 06:29 |
| GAN800 | Or just be shut down entirely with Extras picking up. | 06:29 |
| johnx | did it have a lot of updates for you besides modest? | 06:29 |
| johnx | GAN800, it has a place still | 06:29 |
| GAN800 | johnx, hopefully not for too much longer. | 06:31 |
| GAN800 | The list needs cleaning anyway. | 06:31 |
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| mouser- | budman: The e-mail client didn't seem to restore my e-mails, and I didn't find any updates for it. | 06:32 |
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| Medic119 | I hate Modest, osso-email, et al. So far GMAIL has been the most stable..lol | 06:33 |
| johnx | I like where modest is *going* | 06:33 |
| johnx | it just hasn't quite got there yet | 06:33 |
| mouser- | What was the name of the former default e-mail client? | 06:34 |
| Medic119 | I say port Evolution to Maemo and be done! Email, and PIM all in one | 06:34 |
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| johnx | mouser-, osso-email or similar | 06:34 |
| GAN800 | osso-email | 06:34 |
| johnx | Medic119, could be possible. Have you looked at claws or the ubuntu-mobile version of claws? | 06:35 |
| GAN800 | Evolution is a little . . . heavy. | 06:35 |
| johnx | GAN800, I tested it. it runs | 06:35 |
| johnx | and if you cut out a lot of stuff it might even run well | 06:35 |
| Medic119 | Claws-Mail borks Backups on the NIT | 06:36 |
| Medic119 | Evolution is lighter than say.. KDE 3.5.8 or Debian | 06:36 |
| GAN800 | I like Modest | 06:36 |
| Medic119 | If Modest was just reliable.. | 06:37 |
| johnx | Medic119, well, yes, but that's not exactly a shining recommendation | 06:37 |
| GAN800 | Just wish some of the major issues would get ironed out a bit faster. | 06:37 |
| Medic119 | lol.. johnx I understand, but remember EDS is ALREADY in Maemo, so we just need the front end | 06:37 |
| budman | i cant find a beta modest repo | 06:37 |
| GAN800 | Well, part of eds | 06:37 |
| budman | but ill try a fresh install with no extra repos | 06:37 |
| Medic119 | and Gnome is the Backend for MAemo with Matchbox WM, so UI support is there | 06:37 |
| GAN800 | budman, purge your repository lidt. | 06:38 |
| GAN800 | You've got tons and tons of shit in there that'll break your system. | 06:38 |
| Medic119 | And the NIT is in desperate need os a decent PIM/Email client | 06:38 |
| GAN800 | and probably already has if you've been installing updates. | 06:38 |
| Medic119 | You might be better off just reflashing, NOT adding back your repos and starting fresh | 06:39 |
| GAN800 | Reflash and don't do stupid things like adding every repo on the planet. | 06:39 |
| johnx | GAN800, hey now. that's a little harsh | 06:39 |
| GNUton | ´Morning guys! | 06:39 |
| GAN800 | I wish the Modest devs were actually involved Bugzilla. | 06:39 |
| Medic119 | Be back in a bit | 06:40 |
| GNUton | Where can I find the documents about the extra-devel repository policy? | 06:40 |
| GAN800 | johnx, gentle has never been my forte. ;) | 06:41 |
| GNUton | and how it works? | 06:41 |
| GAN800 | GNUton wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 06:41 |
| GNUton | GAN800: thanks | 06:41 |
| GAN800 | Has links to the info you want. | 06:41 |
| GAN800 | GNUton, -developers or -community are probably the best places for additional clarification. | 06:42 |
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| GNUton | GAN800: ok :) thank you very much! | 06:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | GNUton, you can also bug X-Fade about specifics once he pops up in here. | 06:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles whittles a maemo.org Team Member Annoying Stick and hands it to GNUton. | 06:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Use that for greater effect. ;) | 06:52 |
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| GAN800 | Howdy, wes. | 06:57 |
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| GNUton | GeneralAntilles: :) | 06:58 |
| wesdoobner | just checkin in | 07:00 |
| GNUton | I´m just waked up.. and i´m in my bed.. I think that I should get up... at least for whashing my face! | 07:04 |
| GNUton | :( | 07:05 |
| * GNUton ... laziest | 07:05 | |
| GAN800 | woo | 07:07 |
| GAN800 | The tablets are such lazy enablers. | 07:07 |
| doc|home | man, what is with the apps that are available still not working, gpodder *and* mpcc :( | 07:08 |
| johnx | yes | 07:08 |
| johnx | it's usually food (or work) that gets me out of bed | 07:08 |
| johnx | but now I'm off to akihabara. later all :) | 07:08 |
| GAN800 | bye | 07:09 |
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| befr0d__ | hi. | 09:38 |
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| mouser- | hi | 09:49 |
| mouser- | I'm looking for a list of the original maemo repositories that are pre-installed in Diablo. | 09:50 |
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| lpotter | http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/ | 09:57 |
| mouser- | lpotter: that brings me back. | 09:59 |
| lpotter | heh. thats just wrong :) | 09:59 |
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| mouser- | From a comment there: "Aah, I sort of miss it! I just know it's the sort of nostalgia where you have good memories that have absolutely nothing to do with how it actually was." | 10:02 |
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| aquatix | mouser-: :) | 10:20 |
| aquatix | i kinda liked it too | 10:20 |
| aquatix | i thought win95 was more ugly in retrospect | 10:20 |
| aquatix | i liked the pixel-artness of win3.11 | 10:21 |
| doc|home | ok, which of you is responsible for win 3.1 on the n810? who do I stab? | 10:22 |
| GAN800 | thoughtfix, actually/ | 10:23 |
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| aquatix | doc|home: why stabbing people? i think someone may waste his time any way he wants :) | 10:24 |
| doc|home | it was you, wasn't it? | 10:25 |
| doc|home | ;) | 10:25 |
| GAN800 | lol | 10:25 |
| GAN800 | of all the cool things it can do, it's sad the running Windows is the one that makes engadget. | 10:27 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 10:30 |
| aquatix | does it run wolfenstein3d? | 10:30 |
| GAN800 | I'm pretty sure this one's INVALID based on the current description, somebody want to try to get some real steps to reproduce and better clarification from him? | 10:30 |
| GAN800 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3463 | 10:30 |
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| zap | X-Fade: is there anything special about the automatic builder? If I build my own package, the executable 844160 bytes, and if it builds in the autobuilder, it's 778688 bytes | 11:19 |
| zap | and it is stripped in both cases | 11:19 |
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| Italodance | can Android work on N800? | 11:21 |
| aquatix | zap: do you know whether they use the same compiler? | 11:22 |
| aquatix | Italodance: yes, sort of | 11:22 |
| Italodance | aquatix did u tried? | 11:22 |
| aquatix | friend of mine did | 11:22 |
| aquatix | let me find his tutorial... | 11:22 |
| aquatix | http://www.alextreme.org/drupal//?q=android_on_n810 | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | I got the touchscreen working in N800 btw | 11:23 |
| aquatix | it's for n810 but i guess it's similar for n800 | 11:23 |
| Italodance | aquatix and it hadn't any damage for device! i afraid :( | 11:23 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: with android? | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | yeah | 11:23 |
| aquatix | cool, as that friend of mine didn't | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | I ported the touchscreen fixes to the N800 | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21709 | 11:23 |
| aquatix | Italodance: it didn't damage his device | 11:23 |
| Italodance | hi qwerty12 | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 11:23 |
| aquatix | he's flashed os2008 back on it | 11:23 |
| Italodance | aquatix oh flashed os2008 again! :o | 11:24 |
| Italodance | aquatix tnx for still afraid :'''( | 11:24 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: ``touchscreen doesn't work. The patch on the android-on-n8xx site made my tablet stop booting'' [from his site] | 11:24 |
| aquatix | Italodance: ? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: he mustn't have done it right ;) | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | or used an old patch :/ | 11:24 |
| aquatix | it was just that android wasn't much use | 11:25 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: i think the latter or something | 11:25 |
| aquatix | as he's quite good in that kind of stuff | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | I dunno, I even have a youtube of the n800 touchscreen working in android :) | 11:25 |
| Italodance | yes we should wait for the future....maybe new version!!!! | 11:25 |
| zap | aquatix: I suppose they use the same SDK they made available for download | 11:26 |
| zap | but the difference is way more than could be because of compiler version | 11:27 |
| Italodance | guys the cpu for diablo is still 400 mhz? | 11:27 |
| aquatix | Italodance: yeah, you don't get a hardware upgrade with software ;) | 11:28 |
| aquatix | zap: yeah :/ | 11:28 |
| Italodance | aquatix well how much is ur cpu now? | 11:28 |
| aquatix | how do i check? | 11:29 |
| aquatix | but it's still a 400MHz omap | 11:29 |
| aquatix | don't know about the throttling | 11:29 |
| GAN800 | CPU throttles between 165 and 400MHz. . . . | 11:30 |
| Italodance | aquatix i didn't updated my chinook to diablo yet...tell me all os2008 apps can work it on? | 11:30 |
| Italodance | infact afraid one more time :( | 11:30 |
| aquatix | Italodance: works fine here, yes; most just work | 11:30 |
| * qwerty12 N800 is always at 400Mhz. I prefer to keep it locked because the cpufreq is crap on this device. | 11:31 | |
| Italodance | aquatix i need to flash it again or just update it? | 11:31 |
| aquatix | from chinook -> diablo it's a flash | 11:32 |
| aquatix | after that, only update | 11:32 |
| aquatix | no more flashing \o/ | 11:32 |
| Italodance | aquatix tnx | 11:32 |
| Italodance | aquatix but i will wait for next IT version os2009 | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | lol | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | There's no OS2009 | 11:32 |
| GAN800 | and that's a long wait | 11:33 |
| Italodance | GAN800 are u sure? no!? yes the future will come | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | Yes, I'm sure. | 11:33 |
| Italodance | GAN800 yep a long wait but no problem....more cpu will be better! | 11:33 |
| GAN800 | It's called 'Maemo 5' | 11:33 |
| aquatix | well, if it gets along, we can just update, and you will have to flash anyway | 11:33 |
| Italodance | GAN800 SURE???? N900 will release with os2009 | 11:34 |
| GAN800 | Maemo 5 will not give you more CPU. | 11:34 |
| aquatix | Italodance: if you get a new version of your linux distro on your pc, it doesn't get a faster cpu either, does it? | 11:34 |
| GAN800 | No, N900 will release with Maemo 5. | 11:34 |
| Italodance | aquatix don't know and agree with u but IT maybe can change it! | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | New OS != More CPU. End of. | 11:35 |
| Italodance | GAN800 where is the page of n900 with maemo 5? | 11:35 |
| GAN800 | wiki.maemo.org | 11:35 |
| Italodance | ? | 11:36 |
| Italodance | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=maemo5&searchx=Search | 11:37 |
| Italodance | lol | 11:37 |
| Italodance | nothing | 11:37 |
| GAN800 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 11:44 |
| bef0rd | ;_; | 11:49 |
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| zap | shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*t | 11:58 |
| zap | the builder is buggy like I don't know what | 11:59 |
| zap | rejects already the 3rd package, no problems on my side | 11:59 |
| GAN800 | Most people seem to be using it just fine. | 11:59 |
| GAN800 | but note that any real bugs should go to bugzilla. | 12:00 |
| GAN800 | and what do you mean by 'rejects' | 12:00 |
| GAN800 | Does the build fail due to bad depencies? | 12:01 |
| zap | it fails because cannot connect to some proxy host | 12:01 |
| zap | no idea what's that | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | What package are you building? | 12:01 |
| zap | right now - terminfo | 12:01 |
| qwerty12 | Logs look ok to me, unless you are uploading another version? | 12:02 |
| zap | I just got a email telling of the failure | 12:02 |
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| zap | one package was rejected due to "mismatch file size" although dput told me everything is ok | 12:03 |
| zap | actually two packages | 12:04 |
| zap | I understand these are not really builder bugs, but it's so annoying to wait a hour just to get three reject messages | 12:07 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart microb extension building | 12:16 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of microb extension building's jugular vein | 12:16 | |
| RST38h | more steps in the submission chain -> more things to go wrong | 12:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: stop poisoning infobot! | 12:17 |
| qwerty12 | I think it's too late :O | 12:17 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, it also means more chances to catch bad packages. | 12:18 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: i gather it's not easy to port firefox extensions to microb? | 12:20 |
| GAN800 | One goal is to get to the point where Extras is high enough quality for Nokia to feel good shipping it enabled. | 12:20 |
| aquatix | as it lacks xul | 12:20 |
| aquatix | GAN800: that'd be cool indeed | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix: You can run the ones that don't use xul, it's more about how the packaging works :/ | 12:21 |
| aquatix | hm, k | 12:22 |
| * aquatix would like a foxmarks port to microb | 12:22 | |
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| RST38h | g | 12:35 |
| RST38h | ga: I do not see direct relation between these two other than keeping dependencies consistent | 12:36 |
| RST38h | ga: but this can be done with a static repository check | 12:36 |
| RST38h | a script that pulls all dependency lines from all repo packages, computes the closure, and analyzes it for missing packages or two versions of the same package | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | actually, not even a closure just plain union | 12:41 |
| GAN800 | The other thing we get out of this is source packages for everything, which makes upgrades easier. | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | Any way of stopping gcc from using -msoft-float when I specify "-mhard-float -DCONFIG_FORCE_HARD_FLOAT=y". And yes, it must be hard float. | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: have to find and remove the option | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit/ <- some screenshots from NIT-debian with matchbox and network-manager applet etc :) | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Yeah, I grepped for msoft-hard and couldn't find anything so I succumbed to the powers that be msoft-float :) | 13:04 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | g'morning lardman | 13:10 |
| lardman | hi qwerty12 | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | hello | 13:12 |
| * qwerty12 tests out an shell and hopes I don't require an reflash :) | 13:12 | |
| lardman | :) | 13:12 |
| * lardman wonders why it takes so long to go from chester to Bath | 13:12 | |
| lardman | ~lart British railways | 13:13 |
| * infobot stamps British railways on the forehead with the official Troll marker | 13:13 | |
| lardman | lcuk: you about? | 13:14 |
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| aquatix | Stskeeps: is that the same matchbox theme as default os2008 or something? | 13:25 |
| aquatix | looks familiar ;) | 13:25 |
| aquatix | or is it some chroot? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | aquatix: copied matchbox theme to debian installation, no chroot | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | i actually feel like debian is actually usable as something else than a toy by now :) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | since we have power save, network manager, dimming, etc | 13:28 |
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| * qwerty12 really has to apply kernelpanics' b_idle fix patch | 13:36 | |
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| fnordianslip | qwerty12: i was just thinking about powertop and the kernel tweaks required to support it. have you tried it? | 13:47 |
| qwerty12 | fnordianslip: yes, with bad results. The tablet would crash when wifi was enabled. | 13:48 |
| fnordianslip | oh. | 13:48 |
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| fnordianslip | thats with the modified kernel and powertop running or just the kernel. | 13:49 |
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| qwerty12 | just the kernel. | 13:49 |
| fnordianslip | ah | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | Although I could make the initfs echo 0 to /proc/timer_stats and let the user echo 1 after they have disabled to wifi. | 13:50 |
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| qwerty12 | s/to/the/ | 13:51 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Although I could make the initfs echo 0 the /proc/timer_stats and let the user echo 1 after they have disabled to wifi. | 13:51 |
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| fnordianslip | not much point though, if you can only use it while disconnected, especially as it is experimental networking stuff i want to monitor. | 13:52 |
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| qwerty12 | doesn't make it worthless in general as people can monitor battery problems when their wifi is off. | 13:53 |
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| fnordianslip | true. i've been dabbling with Delay Tolerant Networking (see dtnrg.org) | 13:53 |
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| fnordianslip | qwerty12: do you have a problem with 404s from the maemo diablo repo? extras and extras devel are ok | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | fnordianslip: on the device or in scratchbox? | 14:04 |
| fnordianslip | on the device | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | The dist structure of the diablo sdk repo is different, took me a while to figure it out :/ | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | bye. | 14:05 |
| fnordianslip | tah | 14:05 |
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| lardman | where do we say what the costs for the Berlin trip are? | 14:14 |
| lardman | on the wiki page? | 14:15 |
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| jott | lardman: i just made some little changes to the maemo-barcode code | 14:20 |
| jott | lardman: it now displays the buffer next to the camera image | 14:20 |
| jott | (currently i just added a threshold filter) | 14:20 |
| jott | and a slider to change the threshold value | 14:20 |
| jott | should make testing of filters easier ;) | 14:21 |
| lardman | cool | 14:23 |
| lardman | I've found some things to do to the logic to make it actually work :) | 14:23 |
| jott | ;) | 14:23 |
| lardman | I'll reboot to Linux and have a go (have been using MATLAB in Windows) | 14:23 |
| jott | ah not matlab linux at hand? ;) | 14:24 |
| lardman | no | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | doesn't it work in wine ? | 14:24 |
| lardman | never tried wine | 14:24 |
| jott | there is a native linux version | 14:25 |
| lardman | yeah, I don't have it though | 14:25 |
| jott | hm do you need an extra license for it? | 14:25 |
| jott | probably... :/ | 14:26 |
| lardman | licensed separately I'd have thought | 14:26 |
| lardman | I'll see if the Uni have a Linux version too | 14:26 |
| jott | i thought the key was just mac address based.. | 14:27 |
| aquatix | yups, seperate licenses | 14:27 |
| jott | :/ | 14:27 |
| aquatix | iirc | 14:27 |
| aquatix | they had to deactivate a windows one to enable a linux one at work | 14:27 |
| aquatix | so... :/ | 14:28 |
| aquatix | hm, it stopped pouring from the sky, time to get some groceries | 14:28 |
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| lardman | Right, I'm all booked | 14:35 |
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| smyows | Hi o/ | 14:37 |
| * crashanddie gives smyows a right arm | 14:41 | |
| smyows | os2008 do not have tun.ko? | 14:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:07 |
| smyows | Morning | 15:08 |
| smyows | I create swap file at sdhc xD | 15:09 |
| smyows | Anyone have tun.ko module to send me? | 15:10 |
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| smyows | Were are .config of my current kernel? | 15:21 |
| fnordianslip | int he kernel source package? | 15:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | apt-get source kernel-source-diablo; cd kernel-source-diablo<tab>; make nokia_2420_defconfig | 15:22 |
| smyows | fnordianslip: what is the name of package | 15:22 |
| fnordianslip | ^^^ | 15:23 |
| smyows | o/ thanks | 15:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | for more .config fun, find fanoush's patch to enable make menuconfig | 15:23 |
| fnordianslip | interesting. | 15:23 |
| fnordianslip | iterative configuring is no fun | 15:24 |
| anders_ | Oh noes. I flashed diablo. And now I notice there is no maemo mapper for diablo. | 15:25 |
| fnordianslip | chinook is diablos friend | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | add chinook extras | 15:25 |
| smyows | I think my sources.list is incomplete | 15:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if it's chinook sdk; kernel-source-rx-34 | 15:26 |
| fnordianslip | smyows: this assumes of course that you are running the stock kernel | 15:27 |
| smyows | I neeed to put source and extra on maemo extra | 15:28 |
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| fnordianslip | anyone else got problems with a non-updateable libxml2 update in app manager on diablo? | 15:32 |
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| * lcuk yawns and stretches | 15:34 | |
| fnordianslip | fart next? | 15:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi lcuk | 15:34 |
| * lcuk lets rip | 15:35 | |
| fnordianslip | lol | 15:35 |
| lcuk | :D good mornin qwerty12_N800 | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | good afternoon :P :D | 15:35 |
| lcuk | meh | 15:35 |
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| aquatix | hey lcuk | 15:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, lardman was asking for you in the *morning* :p | 15:36 |
| lcuk | hi aquatix | 15:36 |
| lcuk | my next sentence was "anyone know what lardman wanted" | 15:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | didn't say, i'm sure he'll ask later, just thought i'd mention it :) | 15:37 |
| lcuk | yer i have a big red batsignal thing on this | 15:37 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, i see you also think its the morning | 15:39 |
| * qwerty12_N800 wants xchat to blink the IT's led instead of the taskbar icon | 15:39 | |
| fnordianslip | make it so | 15:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | can't think of any ways to do so. using dbus-send is a little dirty. | 15:40 |
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| fnordianslip | you could send an email to yourself | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | isnt there a proper interface where you can get the leds doing whatever you want | 15:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i know jott wrote a python script. no use to me, n800 only has a blue led. | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | does the same thing though doesnt it? just without control of the red n green | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | from memory, it can be controlled from sysfs or mce | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably, haven't tried it :) | 15:43 |
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| lardman | re | 15:49 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 looks at mce and modest source to see how it's done | 15:52 | |
| inz | Hmm, maybe you could create a small daemon that would enable some pattern if there's a window with urgent hint set | 15:52 |
| jott | lcuk_ / qwerty12_N800 - the proper way within maemo is to use dbus. you can control it manually via sysfs http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 15:52 |
| zap | hmm, anybody knows why maemo-get-password does not work from a postinst script when installing the .deb through package manager, and works if you manually dpkg -i it? | 15:52 |
| zap | same about maemo-confirm-text | 15:53 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800, to qoute myself: self.mce = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('com.nokia.mce', '/com/nokia/mce/request') self.mce.req_led_pattern_activate("PatternError") <- or anything else self.mce.req_led_pattern_deactivate("PatternError") | 15:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brilliant, thank you jott | 15:55 |
| Atarii | mornin | 15:55 |
| jott | (just check the mce.ini for available patterns) | 15:55 |
| Atarii | man the "A small utility program to soft reboot your tablet" thread on itt is painful | 15:55 |
| jott | or override it via sysfs and do much fancier stuff ;) | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what can you do with a monochrome led :p | 15:56 |
| jott | nothing :P | 15:56 |
| jott | yeah go with mce on a n800 ;) | 15:56 |
| inz | jott, or edit mce.ini and add your own patterns | 15:56 |
| jott | inz: yeah for local tweaks thats also an options.. :p | 15:58 |
| inz | jott, even automating the addition of a pattern is quite easy via glib's g_key_file_* | 15:58 |
| jott | ah.. | 15:58 |
| jott | still not as flexible as manual override ;) | 15:58 |
| inz | But it won't be overriden by mce | 15:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yarr, modest uses mce. so i move onto chinook's mce source. | 16:00 |
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| inz | There's only mce-dev source :/ | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nah, i found a leaked copy in rtcomm repo | 16:01 |
| inz | ahh | 16:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ironically it seems mce uses sysfs too for led control, but i guess it has no choice... | 16:08 |
| inz | Why shouldn't it? | 16:10 |
| jott | it just does not use the "direct" mode.. | 16:14 |
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| zap | strange, it started working | 16:15 |
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| rm_you | morning | 16:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | morning | 16:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, i like sudser btw | 16:21 |
| lardman | morning rm_you | 16:23 |
| lardman | jott: you clobbered calling my code! ;) | 16:25 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: does it show you the password change dialog? | 16:26 |
| * lardman notices error in MATLAB code, which luckily worked | 16:26 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | zap, yes, but i used apt-get to install | 16:27 |
| zap | :( | 16:27 |
| zap | I reflashed today a couple of times, and the previous time it did not work | 16:27 |
| zap | and not it works (after a reflash) | 16:27 |
| zap | can't understand what it means | 16:27 |
| zap | s/not/now/ | 16:28 |
| lardman | mmm, poppyseed roll with ham & cheese | 16:30 |
| lardman | sorry, going slightly off topic there | 16:31 |
| rm_you | jott / lardman: did either of you glance at the datamatrix code while I was asleep for 12 hours? :P | 16:31 |
| lardman | rm_you: no, I was asleep for 8 | 16:31 |
| rm_you | :P | 16:31 |
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| lardman | :) | 16:33 |
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| lardman | hmm, I thought I'd made the barcode recognition better, but apparently I've broken it :( | 16:37 |
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| lcuk_ | lardman, thats what you get for designing barcode scanners whilst browsing pron. your code can now recognise boobies perfectly | 16:41 |
| lardman | ha | 16:41 |
| lardman | I think you're the one who was writing hill following code..... | 16:41 |
| rm_you | scanner returns: "Fake" | 16:41 |
| lcuk_ | lol | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, it must be some good code to recognise lcuk_'s boobs | 16:42 |
| lardman | someone showed a graph the other day of the inverse of a Gaussian, with circles around the peaks, I was trying hard to not snigger | 16:42 |
| lardman | s/inverse/1-Gaussian | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 16:43 |
| lardman | actually it wasn't a Gaussion, I'll go back to sleep; but you know what I mean | 16:43 |
| lcuk_ | i now officially hate gtk by the way | 16:44 |
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| lcuk_ | and i also think you may need to go back to 640*480 | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | lcdd, why ? | 16:44 |
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| lcuk_ | it smells of wee and keeps asking for matlock | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | you fail :P | 16:45 |
| lardman | as in a gun? | 16:46 |
| lcuk_ | no, its just the c interface and all the casting | 16:46 |
| jott | i also found it amazing that people actually *like* gtk ;) | 16:46 |
| lardman | it's C | 16:46 |
| lardman | that must be the reason | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | it's like any UI toolkit | 16:46 |
| derf | There's no one who actually _likes_ GUI programming. | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | be it Qt, GTK, or even Win32 | 16:46 |
| * zap likes gtk and glib | 16:47 | |
| derf | And anyone who tells you they do is lying. | 16:47 |
| lardman | :) | 16:47 |
| lcuk_ | if you can get by without horrendous casting prefixes (ie mainly using ++) then its fine | 16:47 |
| jott | crashanddie: well imho qt is much cleaner and *much* better documented. | 16:49 |
| jott | (and it's not an ui toolkit alone ;) | 16:49 |
| rm_you | hrm, so now it seems to be copying in the right stuff (with basically lcuk's code) but it actually segfaults on the decoding part, which makes me think it is copied in WRONG. :( | 16:52 |
| LoCusF | hmm I get no sound from canola2, I did change the atabake config but I didn't remember to take the backup :/ | 16:53 |
| LoCusF | so what the heck was the original fallback audio? | 16:54 |
| LoCusF | in ~/.atabake/config? | 16:54 |
| rm_you | lardman: ah, it doesnt segfault it just closes now... how were you making it loop? | 16:54 |
| rm_you | lardman: was the look in GetBarCodeData() ? | 16:55 |
| rm_you | *loop | 16:55 |
| lardman | ? | 16:57 |
| lardman | loop? | 16:57 |
| rm_you | the thing that made it not stop after one decode attempt :P | 16:57 |
| lardman | I think jott removed the code from the analyse_image() fn | 16:57 |
| lardman | it's just called everytime that fn is called | 16:58 |
| rm_you | hrm | 16:58 |
| rm_you | oh doh | 16:59 |
| rm_you | i left in an exit(0) from the test program lol | 16:59 |
| rm_you | didnt notice last night cuz i was ridiculously tired | 16:59 |
| rm_you | this is why sleep is good :P | 16:59 |
| rm_you | more progress in 5 minutes than i made in 4 hours yesterday | 17:00 |
| derf | Yes. If you had enough sleep you would have used exit(EXIT_SUCCESS) | 17:00 |
| rm_you | hey, that wasn't my code :P shh | 17:00 |
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| johnx | rm_you, hey :D | 17:03 |
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| rm_you | johnx: :P | 17:04 |
| rm_you | damn, not it is just like, locking up on the region identification | 17:05 |
| rm_you | lets see how long this takes to execute | 17:05 |
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| rm_you | hrm... like 60 seconds | 17:07 |
| rm_you | that isnt good. | 17:07 |
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| rm_you | and i dont think it updated the image | 17:07 |
| rm_you | for the next one | 17:07 |
| rm_you | >_> | 17:07 |
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| rm_you | lardman: gah you vertically flipped the camera on my n800 <_< | 17:18 |
| lardman | not me | 17:19 |
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| lardman | I've not touched the GUI/camera code | 17:19 |
| rm_you | hrm | 17:19 |
| rm_you | wonder who did | 17:19 |
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| rm_you | lardman: hrm, i can't actually get THEIR utility to decode a picture I took with the normal camera application >_> | 17:39 |
| lardman | :) | 17:40 |
| lardman | not ideal | 17:40 |
| rm_you | i think maybe my test datamatrix that i printed out may have been broken :P | 17:42 |
| rm_you | printing new ones from better examples | 17:42 |
| rm_you | also, is there a simple way to scale the image on the camera down to like half size? | 17:43 |
| rm_you | will make processing MUCH quicker, as i dont think it really needs the resolution | 17:43 |
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| lardman | I think it's already scaled isn't it? | 17:44 |
| lardman | caps = gst_caps_new_simple ("video/x-raw-yuv", "width", G_TYPE_INT, 320, "height", G_TYPE_INT, 240, NULL); | 17:44 |
| lardman | set what you want there I think | 17:44 |
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| lardman | jott: ping | 17:46 |
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| rm_you | sweet. | 17:47 |
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| rm_you | lardman: wow | 17:49 |
| rm_you | so yeah | 17:49 |
| rm_you | i am dumb and didnt choose a good sample for my tests >_< | 17:49 |
| lardman | working? | 17:49 |
| rm_you | not yet | 17:49 |
| rm_you | but at least their actual real programs that THEY wrote can decode these pngs i took with the camera | 17:50 |
| rm_you | and fairly quickly | 17:50 |
| rm_you | WOW | 17:51 |
| rm_you | ok that is crazy | 17:51 |
| rm_you | i have a picture taken on the n800 where the barcode is in the middle of the image and only takes up about 10% of the screen... and I scaled the image to 128x96... and it can read it perfectly | 17:51 |
| lardman | :) | 17:52 |
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| jott | lardman: pong | 17:55 |
| lardman | jott: I was just going to ask about the data stream | 17:57 |
| lardman | jott: it's 16bit isn't it? | 17:57 |
| jott | uhm the initial yuv is 16(u)+16(v) bit | 17:57 |
| jott | the grayscale image is 8bit | 17:58 |
| lardman | is the grayscale data passed to the analyse_image() fn? | 17:58 |
| jott | yes | 17:58 |
| jott | erm | 17:58 |
| lardman | where does the conversion happen? | 17:58 |
| jott | no | 17:58 |
| jott | in analyze_image | 17:58 |
| jott | do ... while.. | 17:58 |
| lardman | ok, so that might explain some issues :) | 17:59 |
| jott | the loop should fill the static buffer field | 17:59 |
| lardman | the data argument for analyse_image() is unsigned char*, should probably be unsigned short* | 17:59 |
| jott | yeah well even "short" is not correct due to the yuv layout | 18:00 |
| lardman | oh, is it packed? | 18:00 |
| lardman | I thought it was a planar format | 18:00 |
| lardman | s/packed/interleaved | 18:01 |
| jott | yeah but it UYVYUYV etc.. | 18:01 |
| lardman | it's interleaved then? | 18:02 |
| lardman | The FOURCC code indicates that it should be planar...? | 18:02 |
| jott | http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/spec/r4099.htm | 18:02 |
| jott | just grab every second byte to get the luminance ;) | 18:03 |
| lardman | ok, that explains why I've never managed to read any barcodes :) | 18:03 |
| jott | :O | 18:03 |
| lardman | does the code in analyse_image() read odd bytes? | 18:05 |
| rm_you | lardman / jott: soo close >_> i have to go to some actual work somewhere so i can eat this week, but if you want to see how tantalizingly close I think datamatrix codes are, svn up, install libdmtx-dev, make datamatrix, and print this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Datamatrix.svg | 18:05 |
| rm_you | bbl | 18:05 |
| lardman | ah yes | 18:05 |
| lardman | rm_you: good stuff :) | 18:06 |
| rm_you | err just committed, r31 | 18:06 |
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| Blastur | there is something seriously wrong with power management in Diablo, isn't it? | 18:13 |
| macoute | why do you think so? | 18:13 |
| macoute | i havent noticed any difference | 18:13 |
| Blastur | since i upgraded, it seems to draw an awful lot more power in standby mode | 18:13 |
| Blastur | previously it could sit for days, now it is nearly empty, and it has been on since this morning (about 10 hours now) | 18:14 |
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| Blastur | i only have the wifi connection up, but i could have that in chinook too | 18:14 |
| macoute | you have some program draining the battery | 18:14 |
| Blastur | are there any tools i can use to diagnose power usage? | 18:14 |
| Blastur | im thinking maybe that new mail app is the bandit | 18:14 |
| Blastur | eh, dont remember its name.. modest? | 18:15 |
| Blastur | so, is it possible to downgrade to the old mail client and see if there is any improvement in power usage? | 18:15 |
| johnx | not easily I bet... | 18:18 |
| Blastur | or, simply downgrade to chinook altogether? | 18:18 |
| macoute | do you even have that mail-client running by default? | 18:19 |
| macoute | i need to start it to get it fetching the mails automatically | 18:19 |
| Blastur | well, it pops up an notification whenever i get email :) so something is running | 18:19 |
| Blastur | in the bottom-left corner | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | It always runs for me, even with no accounts configured. | 18:20 |
| macoute | hmm | 18:20 |
| Blastur | can i disable it somehow? to see if it improves my batterytime | 18:20 |
| macoute | ive always wondered how does it work | 18:20 |
| Blastur | so that it only fetches mail whenever i want it (like macoute described) | 18:21 |
| macoute | but i dont ge a notification of a new mail after restartin the device if i dont start the mail client (and shut it down afterwards) | 18:21 |
| Blastur | i do macoute | 18:21 |
| Blastur | if i just power it up, dont touch anything, it will popup mail notifications | 18:21 |
| macoute | Blastur: something like kill - 9 'pidof modest | 18:22 |
| macoute | should work | 18:22 |
| * qwerty12 can't figure out how it runs on startup, i've checked /etc/rc2.d and /etc/osso-af-init :/ | 18:23 | |
| ShadowJK | hm, i dont think I get more than 12ish hours with chinook | 18:31 |
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| zap | Blastur: one of my friends got same problem | 18:35 |
| zap | he thinks its the desktop plugin that shows free disk space, don't you have it installed? | 18:35 |
| zap | he doesnt use modest at all | 18:36 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. have problem building hamlib in scratchbox. its from etch source, but I'm manually building whilst exploring deps issues. its a problem with rpcgen, as below: | 18:36 |
| zap | as below -> to dpaste.com | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | zap: Python applets use a lot of memory and cpu | 18:36 |
| fnordianslip | k | 18:37 |
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| zap | qwerty12: yes but that plugin in particular seems sometimes to hog the cpu | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Well, it does query for the disk space every few seconds | 18:37 |
| zap | in top it shows hildon-desktop taking 20-40% CPU when the tablet is doing nothing | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | I actually prefer using conky but it's not an applet and it flashes so... | 18:38 |
| zap | but not always, just sometimes it goes mad for some reason | 18:38 |
| fnordianslip | my pastebin - http://dpaste.com/66074/ | 18:39 |
| fnordianslip | alien_bin doesn't exist | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | How come you are building 1.2.5? | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | There is 1.2.7 now. | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | its from etch | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | oh | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | have been there first? | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | have you, i mean | 18:40 |
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| qwerty12 | I went straight to sourceforge :/ | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | so you have hamlib built? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | No :) | 18:41 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 18:41 |
| fnordianslip | fail ? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Never tried, I have no need for this :). I'm just trying now to see if I can :P | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | ffs I run one configure which takes a while then configure runs configure again >.< | 18:43 |
| fnordianslip | often the way | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Not in qwerty12 land | 18:43 |
| fnordianslip | multiple dependent packages | 18:43 |
| oilinki | great. I have now n810 and maemo-mapper enabled scooter :) | 18:45 |
| lcuk_ | jott / lardman .. jott - i see you have reverted the greyscale extraction to within analyse_image and are now allowing "static unsigned char buffer[320 * 240];" to store it into :) | 18:46 |
| oilinki | it was a great help while trying to find out new placeses an routes in huge bangkok. | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | motherf***, I have toooooooooooo much errors when compiling /hamlib-1.2.5 >.<, I guess I need to compile the other ham libs, but I can't be arsed | 18:46 |
| Blastur | zap, nope.. all i run in the background is clock | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | (I've never even seen this much errors when compiling dodgy kernels) | 18:47 |
| fnordianslip | lol. i just rpgne to work. i've built most of the deps from source. | 18:47 |
| fnordianslip | rpcgen even | 18:47 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, does you routine work on horizontal scanlines at a time? if so even though it will be slower you may need to up back to 640*480 resolution. at 320, the guardbars and other details do not have enough resolution and aliasing occurs quite often. and when you move the code closer you lose focus | 18:48 |
| oilinki | example of the exported track of maemo-mapper today. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://oil.iki.fi/gps/bkk-home-lake-sericenter.kml | 18:48 |
| lcuk_ | i got round the slowness problem by getting the camera to work at 640*480, but only scan every 4 vertical scanlines | 18:48 |
| zap | Blastur: install the cpustats plugin and watch cpu load | 18:48 |
| zap | Blastur: if you see the load is above zero when the tablet is idle, open process list and check who's that | 18:49 |
| sin18 | i havent been able to find kismet for diablo, is it simply a matter of compiling kismet from source in scratchbox or am i missing something ? | 18:50 |
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| Proteous | a couple of socks maybe | 19:03 |
| Proteous | damn dryer eats them I swear | 19:03 |
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| derf | Okay, I think I've got the Reed-Solomon code and BCH code both fixed. | 19:11 |
| derf | As an added bonus, the R-S code is almost 4 times faster. | 19:11 |
| derf | And the BCH code is like, leaps and bounds faster. | 19:11 |
| derf | Now to look at the rest of the qrcode stuff. | 19:12 |
| fnordianslip | doh. just out of curiosity, i opened up my linux box to see why it was making squeaking noises, and found the fans seized on the graphics card. ouch. | 19:14 |
| derf | That's okay, I went to replace a CPU once and the fan just fell off as soon as I touched it. | 19:15 |
| derf | If I had so much as kicked the box hard before that, it probably would've fried. | 19:15 |
| fnordianslip | lol. monitors are for noobs anyhow. | 19:15 |
| fnordianslip | derf: funny that you should say that though, as the heatsink just fell of the northbridge. bugger. | 19:22 |
| derf | Maybe it's time to upgrade. | 19:22 |
| fnordianslip | i do need a northbridge. | 19:22 |
| derf | You didn't need a graphics card? | 19:23 |
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| fnordianslip | not really. i do most of my work on my MacBook Pro and use ssh and remote X when required. | 19:23 |
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| derf | Yeah, but a lot of motherboards have this annoying habit of not booting when they can't find one. | 19:24 |
| derf | I don't understand it myself. | 19:24 |
| fnordianslip | i we'll see. i do have a spare graphics card, but i now have to find the thermal epoxy for the heatsink, and i bet its gone off. | 19:25 |
| fnordianslip | might get new motherboard. glad i use software raid | 19:26 |
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| lcuk_ | fnordianslip, graphics card fans are diabolical | 19:31 |
| lcuk_ | ive not had one alst the life of the graphics card. most have older cpu fans welded on | 19:31 |
| fnordianslip | yep. i'll go fanless this time. i'm off to pc world. what's the consensus, ATI or NVIDIA these days? | 19:32 |
| fnordianslip | last one was NVIDIA | 19:32 |
| fnordianslip | spare is ATI | 19:32 |
| lcuk_ | newest top of the line ati seem to have it, but if you are going middle of the range just get what you fancy | 19:33 |
| lcuk_ | last card i got though was a 7600, i dont see a need for anything more | 19:33 |
| fnordianslip | i was thinking of the compiz bling. if i have to have a monitor, i want bling on it. | 19:33 |
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| lcuk_ | just get the best you can afford with the best drivers rep for what you need :) | 19:34 |
| fnordianslip | k. back soon with new bits. need to keep scratchbox going. | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/ nit-debian with matchbox+keyboard, and xfce4 panel and xfce4 desktop | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | (screenshots) | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Nice, looks a lot better than the screenies this morning :) | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | was just trying out stuff so :P got tired of the odd look of echo | 19:52 |
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| pupnik | John Yoo and David Addington should experience the torture they advocate | 20:02 |
| pupnik | oh sorry wrong channel | 20:02 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, trying to see what the disagreement is between your n800 and your router? | 20:05 |
| F-i-G | hi, anyone know how to delete applications you don't use on the n810? | 20:05 |
| F-i-G | like all the stupid apps i don't want like marbles etc | 20:05 |
| johnx | how do you feel about the command line? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Yeah, I keep forgetting theres a telnet running on it >.< | 20:06 |
| F-i-G | me? | 20:06 |
| johnx | F-i-G, yes, the only way I can think of is with apt-get from the command line | 20:07 |
| F-i-G | ok | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | You will also have the added bonus of messing up osso-software-version too :) | 20:07 |
| F-i-G | just as long as i can clean it up...i really don't want these stupid apps like gizmo etc | 20:07 |
| F-i-G | oh | 20:07 |
| F-i-G | I wish there was a way to just uninstall them | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | wb johnx | 20:08 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps :) | 20:08 |
| johnx | nice looking screenshots :) | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Best I can say is to go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and say you want to delete gizmo, run vi gizmo-installer.info and delete the files mentioned. | 20:08 |
| johnx | qwerty12, O_o | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | s/gizmo-installer.info/gizmo-installer.list | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. now for the bloody difficult task of making it packageable | 20:08 |
| F-i-G | wow, surprised there's not an easier way | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: xfce4 and matchbox doesn't always play nicely together | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
| johnx | F-i-G, well it is. just "apt-cache search marbles" then apt-get remove marbles-package-name | 20:09 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, you could package something that adds files to /etc/skel | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah.. that's one of my thoughts | 20:10 |
| F-i-G | hmm. said it was unable to lock the admintstration directory | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | need to be root | 20:12 |
| F-i-G | sudo root right? | 20:13 |
| johnx | sudo gainroot | 20:13 |
| F-i-G | Enable RD mote to gain root privileges it says | 20:14 |
| johnx | ~rootsh | 20:14 |
| infobot | somebody said rootsh was Alex Paulo Laner - mailto: mailto:rootsh@noisemakers.org - São Paulo / Cerquilho - SP | 20:14 |
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| johnx | grrr... | 20:14 |
| johnx | not that rootsh | 20:14 |
| johnx | hang on a sec... | 20:14 |
| F-i-G | k | 20:14 |
| johnx | install this first: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 20:15 |
| F-i-G | ok | 20:15 |
| johnx | infobot, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 20:15 |
| infobot | ...but rootsh is already something else... | 20:15 |
| johnx | infobot, I don't care | 20:15 |
| infobot | You don't care? | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | infobot, forget rootsh | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | infobot, no, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 20:16 |
| infobot | okay, ShadowJK | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | infobot, rootsh? | 20:16 |
| infobot | hmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | infobot, who's your daddy? | 20:16 |
| infobot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! | 20:16 |
| johnx | thanks ShadowJK :) | 20:16 |
| johnx | I was about to try the "die in a fire" command... | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | If someone has problems with rootsh, I'm not here... | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | ga: actually, if xfade just copied chinook extras to doablo, with a few grossly broken omissions, and | 20:18 |
| RST38h | shit, this has been typed eons ago | 20:18 |
| F-i-G | well i installed rootsh | 20:19 |
| F-i-G | just | 20:19 |
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| F-i-G | sudo root? | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | root, sudo gainroot | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | take your pick | 20:19 |
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| F-i-G | eh | 20:20 |
| F-i-G | it's not working | 20:20 |
| F-i-G | unable to lock the administration directory | 20:21 |
| F-i-G | argh | 20:21 |
| johnx | do you have app manager running? | 20:22 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 20:22 |
| johnx | for very good reasons, only one thing can mess with packages at the same time :) | 20:22 |
| F-i-G | ah ha | 20:22 |
| F-i-G | duh | 20:22 |
| F-i-G | thanks | 20:22 |
| johnx | close app manager if you want to use apt-get | 20:22 |
| johnx | also, if it asks you if you're sure, really think before answering yes | 20:23 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 20:24 |
| johnx | hi Andy80 | 20:24 |
| F-i-G | well | 20:24 |
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| F-i-G | i deleteed all the packges but it's still here and everything | 20:24 |
| johnx | F-i-G, hang on, I'm testing the same thing | 20:25 |
| johnx | you did "apt-get remove osso-lmarbles osso-graphics-game-lmarbles"? | 20:25 |
| F-i-G | what's the command to view contents of a directory? | 20:25 |
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| F-i-G | I did | 20:26 |
| johnx | F-i-G, ls | 20:26 |
| johnx | F-i-G, the icon disappeared for me | 20:26 |
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| F-i-G | nope | 20:27 |
| F-i-G | still here for me | 20:27 |
| johnx | what happens if you click on it? | 20:27 |
| F-i-G | it opens | 20:27 |
| johnx | ok, and did apt-get complain about removing the package? | 20:28 |
| F-i-G | says someinth about depends etc etc | 20:28 |
| F-i-G | "but it is not going to be installed | 20:28 |
| johnx | could you put the whole output on pastebin.com please | 20:29 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 20:29 |
| johnx | I don't think it removed it at all | 20:29 |
| F-i-G | marbles still loads | 20:29 |
| johnx | right, because it didn't get removed, because osso-software-version depends on it | 20:29 |
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| johnx | you have to decide whether you're willing to live without it or not | 20:30 |
| F-i-G | done | 20:30 |
| F-i-G | zfigz | 20:30 |
| guenther | hmm, updated to diablo, and on the first apt-get use it complains about 3 missing debs? | 20:31 |
| guenther | need the full error message... | 20:31 |
| F-i-G | see it johnx? | 20:31 |
| guenther | But it sure sounds like the known packaging issue. | 20:31 |
| johnx | F-i-G, sorry, what was the link? I don't see it... | 20:32 |
| F-i-G | m3d866929 | 20:32 |
| johnx | guenther, apt-get -f install seems to solve it | 20:32 |
| F-i-G | http://pastebin.com/m3d866929 | 20:32 |
| guenther | johnx: I know. :) | 20:32 |
| guenther | the marbles is new to me... | 20:33 |
| johnx | guenther, he wants to remove it to save space | 20:33 |
| johnx | F-i-G, If I were you I'd do this: | 20:33 |
| johnx | apt-get -f install && apt-get remove osso-software-version-rx44 osso-lmarbles osso-graphics-game-lmarbles | 20:34 |
| guenther | The first 3 are known, yes. | 20:34 |
| johnx | F-i-G, but keep in mind that might make some packages unhappy in the future if they assume osso-software-version-rx44 is still there | 20:34 |
| johnx | F-i-G, you have to decide how badly you want to save some space | 20:34 |
| F-i-G | well | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | it's not the space | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | i just don't want to crowd shit up | 20:36 |
| johnx | the menu? | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | like i don't want gizmo either | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | or these games | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | exactly | 20:36 |
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| johnx | ah, I ended up making a folder called "unused" in my menu :) | 20:36 |
| johnx | and putting it at the bottom | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | yeah | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | I'll do that | 20:36 |
| F-i-G | ;) | 20:36 |
| johnx | but you're right, it's super annoying | 20:36 |
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| F-i-G | and these communication apps | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | because Chat only supports jabber and gtalk | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | kinda annoying | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | and should i just use the email app that's on here? | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | i updated to diablo last night | 20:38 |
| johnx | F-i-G, it depends on your preference | 20:38 |
| johnx | the other choice is claws (or something on the command line) | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | is this email app the best? | 20:38 |
| fnordianslip | aargh. i just bought vista by accident. | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | bah | 20:38 |
| F-i-G | no command line :P | 20:39 |
| johnx | fnordianslip, O_o | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | argh! | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | no fnord | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | oki | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | How is claws? | 20:39 |
| johnx | F-i-G, claws is nice, but the buttons are a bit small | 20:39 |
| johnx | it's more than I need | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | I'll just stick with this email app | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | Do you ever use the chat/Internet Call apps? | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | I use fring and skype | 20:39 |
| F-i-G | so | 20:40 |
| fnordianslip | has anyone got any good virii to try on it before it gets wiped? | 20:40 |
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| F-i-G | nope, sorry fnord | 20:40 |
| johnx | fnordianslip, move the WINDOWS directory and see how long it lasts before dying on you? maybe try del *.* in C:\ | 20:41 |
| fnordianslip | lol. | 20:41 |
| * johnx doesn't follow virii these days | 20:41 | |
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| lcuk_ | viruses arent made like they used to be. | 20:42 |
| johnx | lcuk_, I was about to say the same thing | 20:42 |
| johnx | things have changed so much in the last 10 years... | 20:42 |
| lcuk_ | in my day they were elegant tightly coded blocks of pure ASM. nowadays you are lucky if you can download a virus with dialup | 20:43 |
| Blastur | well, they do alot more today | 20:43 |
| johnx | also, I remember them being more prankish than "big business" | 20:43 |
| F-i-G | hey john | 20:43 |
| Blastur | like botnets :) | 20:43 |
| F-i-G | Do you ever use the chat/Internet Call apps? | 20:43 |
| johnx | F-i-G, nope, but I keep them around. dunno why | 20:44 |
| F-i-G | oki | 20:44 |
| F-i-G | thanks | 20:44 |
| F-i-G | time to download apps | 20:44 |
| F-i-G | can you guys recommend any? | 20:44 |
| johnx | vim, alpine, rsync, screen, less | 20:44 |
| summatusmentis | wait, for the NIT? | 20:44 |
| johnx | then just maximize your terminal and you've got a nice unix shell :) | 20:45 |
| lcuk_ | F-i-G, theres a neat program called ARMEL.wipeyourdrive.b somewhere. ill send you an email | 20:45 |
| johnx | F-i-G, you have to tell us what you want to do. everyone has different ideas of "cool" | 20:45 |
| johnx | but you should check out numptyphysics and canola | 20:45 |
| lcuk_ | i keep pondering whether to put box2d into liqbase | 20:46 |
| summatusmentis | and liqbase | 20:46 |
| summatusmentis | you should check out liqbase too | 20:46 |
| F-i-G | hehe | 20:46 |
| lcuk_ | its not really feature complete yet though summatusmentis | 20:46 |
| summatusmentis | it's still really cool | 20:46 |
| F-i-G | well communcation apps, gps, etc | 20:46 |
| lcuk_ | yes, you should look and see what it can do, but note its a demo at this point | 20:46 |
| johnx | F-i-G, pidgin, maemo mapper | 20:46 |
| F-i-G | ARMEL.wipeyourdrive.b eh . . . very funny | 20:47 |
| * summatusmentis finds himself not using pidgin nearly often enough | 20:47 | |
| * lcuk_ finds himself not using lots of programs most of the time | 20:47 | |
| lcuk_ | most used apps on my nit are liqbase, gcc and make | 20:47 |
| summatusmentis | "look at me, I'm lcuk, I compile things on my NIT, la dee dah" :-P | 20:48 |
| lcuk_ | actually, is there any real way to log and monitor app usage over the whole device? | 20:48 |
| johnx | lcuk_, top? | 20:48 |
| johnx | aaah, like you mean how often you use them | 20:48 |
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| johnx | you'd have to have something logging file access (read: slow) | 20:49 |
| lcuk_ | johnx, i mean global overall counting of apps used: length of time and how often etc | 20:49 |
| lcuk_ | even if it just hooked into the elf loader? | 20:49 |
| lcuk_ | not interested in general data files, just when a binary is opener | 20:49 |
| lcuk_ | d | 20:49 |
| johnx | wouldn't that place it in kernel space? | 20:50 |
| lcuk_ | presumably | 20:50 |
| johnx | that's as ugly as running as root all the time :/ | 20:51 |
| * lcuk_ whistles quietly | 20:51 | |
| johnx | :D | 20:51 |
| summatusmentis | oh really? oof | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk_: why do you run as root? bad! | 20:52 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, be nice to him. He's trying to recreate the comforts (perils?) of his past experience with windows :) | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | maemo allows you to! | 20:53 |
| lcuk_ | im not, i just couldnt find a way to write to cpufreq stuff without | 20:53 |
| lcuk_ | i would gladly call a user cpufreq interface if someone would show me how | 20:53 |
| * summatusmentis averts his eye | 20:54 | |
| summatusmentis | I know nothing about cpufreq | 20:54 |
| johnx | rootsh echo performance > /sys/.../scaling_governor | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | rootsh? | 20:54 |
| summatusmentis | is that qwerty12's thing? | 20:54 |
| johnx | yup, it's a qwerty12 package :) | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | recent? | 20:55 |
| summatusmentis | replacement for easyroot, right? | 20:55 |
| johnx | lcuk_, semi-recent | 20:55 |
| johnx | putting something in sudoers was always an option, but this is easier | 20:55 |
| lcuk_ | probably why then - after i added myself to sudoers i forgot all about it | 20:55 |
| johnx | lcuk_, you added yourself to sudoers, but still run compiles as root? you can just run "sudo echo foo > bar" | 20:56 |
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| lcuk_ | yes, but at the time my lack of knowedge left me trying to "echo blah > ///cpufreq" after i added that line to sudoers | 20:57 |
| lcuk_ | i forgot i needed to call "sudo ..." as the shell line | 20:57 |
| lcuk_ | yes, i know | 20:57 |
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| johnx | lcuk_, no worries. :) I'm just giving you a hard time | 20:58 |
| lcuk_ | no you arent :) you have just given me the way to do it cleanly :) | 20:58 |
| johnx | $deity knows I didn't learn linux quickly | 20:58 |
| lcuk_ | talking through a problem helps, id just forgotten it was a problem | 20:58 |
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| lcuk_ | so if i exec("sudo blah") will the exec() return whether it failed ? | 20:59 |
| johnx | running as root is just like running with scissors: it's not a problem. It just has the potential to make other problems worse | 20:59 |
| lcuk_ | or will it return whether sudo itself failed | 20:59 |
| johnx | aaah, now that's a good question | 20:59 |
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| summatusmentis | why should sudo fail? | 21:00 |
| lcuk_ | not in sudoers | 21:00 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, or wrong password (if set that way) | 21:00 |
| lcuk_ | and will sudo wait in a silent window with no way to enter password if i call exec | 21:01 |
| johnx | lcuk_, potentially | 21:01 |
| summatusmentis | I would assume so | 21:01 |
| johnx | there is a section of the man page on return values | 21:01 |
| lcuk_ | at least with the fopen("/.../cpufreq") fputs(...) code i know at what point it failed | 21:01 |
| lcuk_ | i might just make a small self contained liqbase_cpufreqchanger helper app | 21:02 |
| lcuk_ | add that to sudoers and shell to that as required | 21:03 |
| lcuk_ | but that doesnt really help solve the problem | 21:03 |
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| johnx | of adding people to sudoers? | 21:03 |
| lcuk_ | no, of the priviledge escalation issue | 21:03 |
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| johnx | lcuk_, yeah, that might be nice to have at a user level | 21:04 |
| johnx | especially on a single-user device | 21:04 |
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| johnx | I think there's a way to add file paths to sudo | 21:04 |
| lcuk_ | heh, my device is multi user | 21:04 |
| * johnx tries to remember | 21:04 | |
| summatusmentis | yep | 21:04 |
| lcuk_ | actually it doesnt matter, if a user installs a malicious program they would just go to the throat anyway and not bother replacing my binary | 21:05 |
| johnx | lcuk_, run man sudoers on a machine with manpages installed (not tablet) or feed that to google | 21:05 |
| lcuk_ | since i can read the performance stats as user from code (with fopen) ill just sudo a helper script and then re-read afterwards to confirm it changed | 21:06 |
| lcuk_ | its not a major performance lag because its an interactive single run process | 21:07 |
| johnx | that seems reasonable | 21:07 |
| johnx | still a pain to code up | 21:07 |
| lcuk_ | well ive got all the cpufreq code done nicely | 21:07 |
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| lcuk_ | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqapp.c look down there for the cpufreq_governor_* | 21:08 |
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| johnx | grr...the smallest typos are always the hardest to spot... | 21:13 |
| patco444 | Proactol™ is a groundbreaking development in weight loss treatment, and is exactly what over weight people have been waiting for - http://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=119443&s=38 | 21:13 |
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| lcuk_ | i have a typo? | 21:13 |
| lcuk_ | ]or you? | 21:13 |
| johnx | lcuk_, not you. me :) | 21:13 |
| johnx | had a typo | 21:13 |
| johnx | += instead of =+ | 21:14 |
| lcuk_ | that wouldnt compile for me | 21:14 |
| lcuk_ | what language | 21:14 |
| johnx | python | 21:14 |
| lcuk_ | cool, what does =+ | 21:14 |
| DHR | I just installed Diablo on my N800. "su" doesn't work (it's not Set-UID, and should not be since it is just a symlink to busybox). I installed rootsh package but am dismayed that it doesn't require a password. Is there something like su (i.e. works, but requires a password)? | 21:14 |
| lcuk_ | do | 21:14 |
| RST38h | sudo | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | as for roorsh I suggest installing ssh instead | 21:15 |
| johnx | lcuk_, adds something to a list of other somethings. my grasp of python is somewhat loose :) | 21:15 |
| DHR | sudo is in sudser package, I guess | 21:15 |
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| lcuk_ | you gotta hold the snake tightly round the neck | 21:16 |
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| johnx | or just let it go | 21:16 |
| lcuk_ | and run like hell | 21:16 |
| johnx | just did, seemed to work well :) | 21:17 |
| * Stskeeps runs another debian-installer process | 21:20 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I bought more sd cards today. hopefully enough to play with all the distros I want on my ARM devices :) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | i have considered getting a third one which i use as source for the debootstrap so i dont have to do it again all the bloody time :P | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | or one for my actual debian system that i can hack to bits | 21:21 |
| johnx | yeah, I kept avoiding trying things because it meant either having to sacrifice my "music and books" card for space or potentially being without a working system | 21:23 |
| johnx | modest runs on poky, BTW :) | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | oki - didn't try poky | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | i was pretty satisfied with claws on debian, seemed quite nice | 21:24 |
| johnx | mmm...for the N8x0 I'm not sure it's worth it | 21:24 |
| johnx | poky I mean | 21:24 |
| johnx | between os200x and debian I think most use-cases are covered | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: btw once we have the diablo fixes in, a fillin for hald-addon-bme (diablo), and a small thing in boot-basics to handle the bootreason 'charger', i think we could do a "release" of nit-debian for people to use | 21:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I fully agree | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm trying out a .deb for my "environment" right now | 21:27 |
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| johnx | metacity or something else? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bastard child of matchbox, xfce4, and matchbox-keyboard | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | it works quite well actually | 21:28 |
| johnx | s/metacity/matchbox ... dur | 21:28 |
| * johnx should sleep soon | 21:28 | |
| johnx | people rebelled the last time I handed them matchbox :) | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i dislike some parts but the WM isn't that bad | 21:29 |
| johnx | I actually like it a lot | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | as in the matchbox-desktop launcher or? | 21:30 |
| johnx | the window manager mostly | 21:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: can we have a mpbile version of windowmaker though? | 21:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, as soon as you write the code for it | 21:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, but some people seem to want things to fit on their screen, but don't like everything maximized | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | true | 21:31 |
| johnx | RST38h, I actually like wmaker quite a lot, but it doesn't seem to work too well without a real right click | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | well since this'll be a .deb, people are more than able to do alternative environments :) | 21:31 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that seems like a good way to do it then | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | i just wish matchbox-keyboard was smaller | 21:33 |
| johnx | I should send you Navi's layout for it at least | 21:35 |
| johnx | it's a lot better than the default | 21:35 |
| DHR | when I reboot my n800 with diablo (only done it a couple of times after the first), it stays at a white screen for a long time (maybe forever). This is after the hand-hand Nokia screen. Anyone else see this? WAG: maybe OpenSSH server is waiting for enropy for its RNG (openssh installation took a long time, and I put it down to that).. | 21:35 |
| johnx | DHR, I haven't seen that actually. What command are you using to reboot? | 21:35 |
| DHR | The first reboot was find (Openssh-server had not been installed). | 21:35 |
| * johnx has openssh installed as well... | 21:36 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: quite interested in that - it makes the on screen size smaller as well? (didn't look into the layout format) | 21:36 |
| DHR | johnx: first time: holding the button down for long enough. ; the second time, I gave up waiting on the first & removed the battery to try again. | 21:37 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, it keeps the size, but uses it more effectively by making the letters big enough to thumb type | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:37 |
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| johnx | DHR, aaaah. I see. It seems to work when I type "reboot" | 21:37 |
| johnx | but it hasn't hung on boot when I've had to pull the battery, so I really have no idea | 21:38 |
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| DHR | johnx: Openssh client might not need entropy at boot but ssh server may well. Do you have server and client installed? I admit this is a WAG (wild-assed guess). | 21:38 |
| johnx | server is installed... | 21:38 |
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| DHR | johnx: OK. So WAG is likely wrong. Is there any way to recover from a white screen? Holding power-etc button (don't know its name) doesn't do anything. Touching screen generates clicks as if it is accepting them. | 21:40 |
| johnx | DHR, you might have wireless at that point. have you tried sshing in? | 21:41 |
| DHR | I will reflash if that is necessary, but something more subtle would be nice. | 21:41 |
| DHR | good idea. | 21:41 |
| johnx | DHR, just think back to what you've installed. Does anything else run at boot? | 21:41 |
| shackan | did anyone install fring on the n800? it doesn't start | 21:41 |
| DHR | WaitI've installed camera, gpe filemanager, maemo map + NA maps, openssh (c&s), fmradio, rootsh, sudser, removed rootsh. Thats about it, and in that order, (subject to mistakes). | 21:43 |
| johnx | but it boots sometimes? | 21:44 |
| DHR | I don't think sshing in will work since OS seems to shut off radio when it thinks that it is idle. Have I got that wrong? | 21:44 |
| johnx | or not at all anymore? | 21:44 |
| johnx | DHR, it doesn't shut it off, but sometimes it can seem like that if your router doesn't cope with the power savings well | 21:45 |
| DHR | No, it won't boot by holding customary button. I remove battery to reset it. | 21:45 |
| johnx | so there's no way for you to get back into the OS? | 21:46 |
| johnx | maybe a problem with /etc/sudoers based on the most recent software you've installed | 21:46 |
| DHR | I've not tried everything. I don't even know what everything would be. I'm pretty inexperiences with the N800. | 21:47 |
| johnx | if you can't get back into the OS it's probably easiest to reflash, unless you need to retrieve data first | 21:47 |
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| DHR | [I wish I typed better. Sorry.] I've invested very little in this load. I flashed to diablo and was building up the applications portfolio. | 21:48 |
| johnx | I'd suggest a reflash unless you want to try and recover it | 21:49 |
| johnx | you could flash a modified initfs with a telnet daemon included and use usb networking to log in and poke around | 21:49 |
| DHR | johnx: thanks for your help. I think that I'll take the brute force route. It's nice to know that it isn't something embarrassingly obvious. | 21:51 |
| johnx | my money is on a bad interaction (or uninstall problem) with rootsh and sudser (?) that messed up sudoers (or something else) | 21:51 |
| DHR | where this started was that fm-radio could not switch between speakers and headphones. It complained "audio output switching failed". Googling suggested that a reboot might help. | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i'm getting a 404 on http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | .. where is this these days? | 21:53 |
| johnx | maybe 4.0.1 ? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | (looking at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt) | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 21:53 |
| DHR | johnx: what do you consider best practice? openssh + sudser was what I'm thinking. | 21:53 |
| johnx | DHR, what is sudser? | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | rootsh | 21:53 |
| johnx | I've never heard of it... | 21:53 |
| GAN800 | A comletely untested pakcage | 21:54 |
| GAN800 | modifies sudoers. :/ | 21:54 |
| fnordianslip | cool. my RAID1 set happily installed in my new crappy Core-2 Quad machine, and scratchbox lives on. less than 2 hours down-time | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: worked, ta | 21:54 |
| DHR | johnx: sudser seems to be the package with sudo and something with some of the functionality of su (but not all, I guess). | 21:54 |
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| johnx | DHR, sudo is installed by default | 21:55 |
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| DHR | sudser was offered to me from diablo feeds. | 21:55 |
| fnordianslip | software raid is the way | 21:55 |
| johnx | I think I'd suggest rootsh | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: going to try and see if i can patch g_ether.ko so i can get XP RNDIS back again :/ | 21:55 |
| RST38bis | ssh! | 21:55 |
| DHR | johnx: rootsh doesn't seem to ask for the root password. I don't really like that. | 21:56 |
| fnordianslip | anyone want a 380GB sata disk with Vista running PC World promotional material? | 21:56 |
| RST38bis | ssh gives you an option to get root remotely and you can also use it for local root a cess | 21:56 |
| RST38bis | and ssh does allow to set root password | 21:57 |
| GAN800 | lol, worried about a root password on a mobile Linux device. . . . | 21:57 |
| DHR | openssh installation seems to set the root password. | 21:57 |
| RST38bis | correct | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | nini johnx | 21:58 |
| DHR | johnx: thanks again | 21:59 |
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| RST38bis | test | 22:05 |
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| lcuk_ | RST38bis, :) hi, do you know off the top of your head where any c+embedded asm code might be used (ie, have you got any examples in your code) or around where you look? | 22:10 |
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| Xamusk | why won't Nokia keep selling the N800? | 22:15 |
| jott | lardman: lcuk_: i just commited a quite working version of an EAN13 recognition. | 22:15 |
| lcuk_ | ! neato | 22:15 |
| GAN800 | Things eventually get discontinued. | 22:15 |
| jott | it still gives some false positives sometimes but otherwise it worked with nearly all barcodes i tested ;) | 22:16 |
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| jott | its mainly based on http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/ (java) | 22:16 |
| lcuk_ | jott, false positives as in pass the logic test for the values returned? | 22:16 |
| Xamusk | though I believe the price/feature ratio is much better for the N800 | 22:17 |
| jott | checksum is correct, number is not the one on the code ;) | 22:17 |
| jott | but works well even with 320x240 | 22:17 |
| Xamusk | and unfortunately Maemo won't work in the Sony Mylo | 22:17 |
| lcuk_ | jott, is that working from an image or from live data? | 22:18 |
| GAN800 | Xamusk, N810 is down to $299. Give it a few months. | 22:18 |
| lcuk_ | i see the batoo code you included works from a pbm | 22:18 |
| jott | lcuk_: yeah live data | 22:18 |
| lcuk_ | wicked :) | 22:18 |
| jott | the pbm was just for debugging ;) | 22:19 |
| lcuk_ | i think my camera might be out of focus then, cos there was lots of aliasing from my camera at 320 | 22:19 |
| Xamusk | oh, $299, that fair enough | 22:19 |
| lcuk_ | i changed to 640 and do a scan every 4 lines | 22:19 |
| jott | ah a bit aliasing is not problematic | 22:19 |
| Xamusk | last time I checked it was still almost 400 | 22:19 |
| jott | it currently runs at 320x240 with every two lines | 22:19 |
| lcuk_ | reasonable enough | 22:19 |
| jott | and cpu is < 50% | 22:19 |
| lcuk_ | especially considering you are sitting there requesting barcodes | 22:20 |
| lcuk_ | maybe you could do even less lineage | 22:20 |
| jott | maybe i need to extract some error metric so false positives are reduced | 22:20 |
| lcuk_ | but you want best chance really | 22:20 |
| jott | yeah it would work with more scanline | 22:20 |
| lcuk_ | im surprised you can get past the checksum | 22:20 |
| jott | erm less | 22:20 |
| Xamusk | ha, in amazon only the Palm TX passes the N810 | 22:21 |
| jott | maybe even in some different angles | 22:21 |
| jott | but it's really funny ;) | 22:21 |
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| lcuk_ | happy to see your code is still in place to do the copy: but i optimised it last night to read longs instead of bytes and write words | 22:22 |
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| jott | http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode | 22:22 |
| lcuk_ | oh, i was looking on garage | 22:22 |
| jott | lcuk_: ah yeah should give a little boost | 22:23 |
| jott | yeah its in svn | 22:23 |
| jott | this is the executable | 22:23 |
| jott | so wget http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode && chmod +x maemo-barcode on the device | 22:23 |
| jott | and you can test it | 22:23 |
| lcuk_ | its ok ill just svn up | 22:23 |
| lcuk_ | i found a way to write onto the surface by the way | 22:24 |
| jott | ah it's in there too | 22:24 |
| jott | the code | 22:24 |
| jott | it's just commented out as i did not need it anymore :P | 22:24 |
| lcuk_ | :( i had to throw away gtk though after being frustrated | 22:24 |
| lcuk_ | so now i can have a live camera in a floating bitmap in liqbase | 22:24 |
| jott | yeah it's a bit tricky with gtk.. | 22:24 |
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| jott | most important part is - signals are not thread safe :p | 22:25 |
| lcuk_ | helped me to understand a bit more about gstreamer at least | 22:25 |
| jott | ah | 22:25 |
| jott | also nice | 22:25 |
| lcuk_ | liqbase reads the bitmap, camera code writes it | 22:25 |
| jott | you could allow video annotations | 22:25 |
| lcuk_ | it tears occasionally but it was enough to test | 22:25 |
| jott | or atleast some pictures from a slide or so | 22:25 |
| lcuk_ | yes, audio is the next piece of unutilised hardware :) | 22:26 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 22:26 |
| * jott needs to find more barcodes to tst | 22:26 | |
| jott | test | 22:26 |
| jott | lardman: hey | 22:26 |
| jott | lardman: check out the svn code ;) | 22:26 |
| lcuk_ | i want multi user - im setting up a screen for user info: name sig and picture | 22:26 |
| lardman | what do we have? | 22:26 |
| jott | or wget http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode && chmod +x maemo-barcode && ./maemo-barcode | 22:26 |
| lcuk_ | hi there lardman :) | 22:26 |
| jott | on the device | 22:26 |
| jott | lardman: quite good working EAN13 | 22:26 |
| lardman | cool :) | 22:26 |
| lardman | what's batoo? | 22:27 |
| jott | http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/ | 22:27 |
| lcuk_ | you had a nice day lardman? or have you been cursing at code | 22:28 |
| lardman | cursing code this morning | 22:28 |
| jott | some java based algorithm | 22:28 |
| jott | i ported to c | 22:28 |
| jott | (some glitches still in there i guess, and maybe even leaks... but it works for now ) | 22:28 |
| lardman | bloody MATLAB code, works really well, not so well in C | 22:28 |
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| lardman | jott: good work :) | 22:29 |
| jott | heh yeah only problem are false positives for now | 22:29 |
| jott | it seems to detect almost all ean codes i tested | 22:30 |
| jott | but sometimes there are a few wrong numbers | 22:30 |
| lardman | yeah, just noticed that | 22:30 |
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| lardman | I wonder, are the false positives actually correct - crc & all? | 22:30 |
| jott | yeah | 22:30 |
| jott | crc is correct | 22:30 |
| lardman | I've not looked too hard at the code, but does it do multiple scan lines? | 22:31 |
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| lardman | could do majority voting | 22:31 |
| rm_you | mmm back | 22:31 |
| rm_you | tasty ramen | 22:31 |
| jott | lardman: yeah it takes one scanline | 22:31 |
| jott | (and in the main code it passes every second line to the algorithm) | 22:32 |
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| jott | its really fast | 22:32 |
| lardman | might be worth looking at multiple lines, see if we can remove that false positive thing | 22:32 |
| lardman | yes, it sure is :) | 22:32 |
| jott | lardman: ah.. ok just collect the lines and weight them?! hmm | 22:33 |
| jott | yeah could workd | 22:33 |
| lardman | just see which comes out most often | 22:33 |
| jott | i think there is maybe some similar code in the original algorithm | 22:33 |
| jott | i just ported the scanline part | 22:33 |
| jott | yeah | 22:33 |
| lardman | I see it uses floating point | 22:33 |
| rm_you | lardman / jott: how goes it? status? :P | 22:33 |
| jott | rm_you: EAN13 works quite well | 22:34 |
| rm_you | sweet | 22:34 |
| lardman | rm_you: jott's converted some 1D code which works well | 22:34 |
| rm_you | I will test :) | 22:34 |
| jott | and when we implement lardmans idea i guess we get a really high detection rate | 22:34 |
| rm_you | ah neat | 22:34 |
| rm_you | soon you will have time to look at datamatrix? :P | 22:34 |
| lcuk_ | im genuinely surprised at the crc pass | 22:34 |
| rm_you | it is really simple supposedly with the library and everything, i am just dumb :P | 22:34 |
| lardman | jott: the alternative is to use a time based averaging | 22:34 |
| lcuk_ | just grab the numbers from each scanline and return the one which it found on most lines | 22:35 |
| jott | lardman: yeah well i bet collection about 10 numbers and using the one that comes most often should do it | 22:35 |
| jott | lcuk_: yep | 22:35 |
| lcuk_ | :) | 22:35 |
| jott | that's the idea | 22:35 |
| lardman | jott: yep | 22:36 |
| lcuk_ | how does it handle upsidedown scans? | 22:36 |
| lardman | might still be worth looking at a time based one though - 1s acquisition is fast enough to process ~10 frames, then one would only need the scanline in the middle | 22:36 |
| lcuk_ | i found out by the way :$ i was holding it upsidedown | 22:37 |
| lardman | so more chance of the user getting it rightr | 22:37 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I found out I wasn't skipping the U & V data :S | 22:37 |
| lardman | I might test my original fp code again with the correct input data :) | 22:37 |
| lcuk_ | oh crap - i posted up there this morning about that: jotts byte based copy works well | 22:37 |
| lcuk_ | but i converted it to read longs (2 yuv pixels at a time) and write greyscale words. | 22:38 |
| lardman | yep, I thought it was test code so commented it out originally - oops | 22:38 |
| rm_you | lcuk_ / lardman / jott: the datamatrix handles color codes... sooo >_> | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | it helped a lot when i was doing blitting and general memory copies so leaves more time for processing | 22:38 |
| lardman | rm_you: really? Is that a valid encoding? | 22:38 |
| lcuk_ | rm_you, the camera color information is SO noissey | 22:39 |
| rm_you | lardman: maybe | 22:39 |
| rm_you | see: http://www.libdmtx.org/Images/LibdmtxScreen_20070712_lg.png | 22:39 |
| lardman | rm_you: go for grayscale first, colour data is easy enough to extract, even if too noisy | 22:39 |
| rm_you | it is craziness <_< | 22:39 |
| lardman | nice | 22:39 |
| rm_you | dunno if that is any official encoding scheme but it DOES support it :P | 22:39 |
| lardman | I'm off tomorrow at the crack of dawn, but ping Jaffa to look at some website scraping to get back info about these EANs | 22:40 |
| rm_you | i could start on that also | 22:40 |
| rm_you | THAT is more my forte | 22:40 |
| lcuk_ | theres a cuecat info lookup page i saw somewhere | 22:40 |
| lardman | In the Simon_1D.c file there's a fn which will do ean2isbn() which might be of use too | 22:40 |
| rm_you | i dont do image processing | 22:40 |
| lcuk_ | it is basically a webapi | 22:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: go for it :) | 22:40 |
| rm_you | but i can do web scraping :) | 22:40 |
| rm_you | i will look at that | 22:40 |
| rm_you | dunno about in C tho <_< | 22:40 |
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| rm_you | python i am good at it :P | 22:41 |
| lcuk_ | http://www.upcdatabase.com/itemform.asp | 22:41 |
| lardman | http://en.barcodepedia.com/ also | 22:41 |
| lardman | http://www.semapedia.org/ might do location data from QR codes | 22:41 |
| rm_you | QR codes normally just encode a url or something directly into them | 22:42 |
| rm_you | no lookup tables | 22:42 |
| lardman | http://isbndb.com/ and similar for ISBN lookups | 22:42 |
| lcuk_ | http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/5410133831153 | 22:42 |
| rm_you | k i will poke at datamatrix a tad more | 22:42 |
| lcuk_ | just request that url with the code and it returns an info page | 22:43 |
| rm_you | and then move to that | 22:43 |
| rm_you | yeah | 22:43 |
| rm_you | very simple | 22:43 |
| lardman | anyway, there's lots of possibilities :) | 22:43 |
| rm_you | yes | 22:43 |
| lardman | nice to see that will cooperation an idea like this can get off the ground quickly :) | 22:43 |
| lardman | s/will/with | 22:43 |
| lcuk_ | deffo :) lardman, glad you started this.. i know it felt a bit grrr that other platforms have simple things like this | 22:43 |
| rm_you | Can I have C just run a python program and store the results? :P | 22:44 |
| lardman | rm_you: cheating! | 22:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:44 |
| rm_you | *sigh* fine | 22:44 |
| lardman | lol | 22:44 |
| rm_you | will look up curl for C | 22:44 |
| rm_you | I have used it before, so shouldnt be too bad | 22:44 |
| lcuk_ | just exec wget? | 22:44 |
| rm_you | wish i knew of decent regexp for C strings | 22:44 |
| rm_you | lcuk_: same amount of cheating :P | 22:44 |
| lardman | can you chaps produce some binary builds as you go along, I'd like to keep up to date on my travels | 22:45 |
| rm_you | lcuk_: may as well run my pthon :P | 22:45 |
| rm_you | lardman: latest binaries always at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/ | 22:45 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, how will you keep upto date if you have no database to lookup with.. | 22:45 |
| lardman | cool, I'll note it down | 22:45 |
| rm_you | lardman: it automatically builds them to there | 22:45 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: db? I'll have web access | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | it would be nice to have barcode scanner store an image of the item along with an image of the barcode using the barcode number as reference | 22:46 |
| lardman | I hope | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | you get to date/time stamp stuff as you go along | 22:46 |
| lcuk_ | "hmmm, at 3.15 i was in the cheese isle, then spent 35 minutes in the wine isle" | 22:47 |
| lardman | depends what you want to use it for | 22:47 |
| lardman | right, time to go and finish packing, see you chaps in a week or so | 22:47 |
| rm_you | wtf | 22:47 |
| lardman | unless I can sneak online next week :) | 22:47 |
| lcuk_ | alright lardman :) where r u going? | 22:48 |
| rm_you | you got rid of my datamatrix entry in makefule? | 22:48 |
| lardman | Chicago, conference | 22:48 |
| rm_you | >_> | 22:48 |
| lcuk_ | nice :) have fun then | 22:48 |
| lardman | rm_you: wasn;'t me! | 22:48 |
| rm_you | <_< | 22:48 |
| lardman | bye chaps | 22:48 |
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| rm_you | it was nice and out of the way on purpose <_< sigh | 22:48 |
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| rm_you | whatev, will just check out an old revision of it | 22:48 |
| lcuk_ | rm_you, see jott, he keeps stomping on things :P | 22:48 |
| rm_you | jott: pfft | 22:48 |
| lcuk_ | you wont includet he new file from lardman | 22:48 |
| lcuk_ | or jott | 22:49 |
| lcuk_ | rather | 22:49 |
| rm_you | yeah i'll fix it | 22:49 |
| lcuk_ | how do you handle versioninig - is it all manual | 22:49 |
| rm_you | ? | 22:49 |
| rm_you | what do you mean? | 22:49 |
| lcuk_ | i mean for backlight - i notice in your build folder you have individual binary debs | 22:50 |
| lcuk_ | 0.14.1 etc | 22:50 |
| rm_you | yeah | 22:50 |
| rm_you | it is all manual | 22:50 |
| rm_you | i just change the version in my changelog whenever i build | 22:50 |
| lcuk_ | can i see what version i have installed from within the binary itself - or is the version not compiled into the program | 22:50 |
| rm_you | lcuk_: apt-cache policy advanced-backlight | 22:51 |
| rm_you | it will tell you | 22:51 |
| lcuk_ | but what if the package name != the binary name, how would someone know | 22:51 |
| rm_you | ... | 22:51 |
| lcuk_ | in windows im used to being able to get version info directly from the software binary itself | 22:51 |
| rm_you | apt-cache policy `dpkg -S $(which binaryname)` | 22:52 |
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| lcuk_ | its compiled in and available for displaying on about screens or titlebars etc | 22:52 |
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| rm_you | err | 22:52 |
| rm_you | slightly more compicated as a oneliner but | 22:52 |
| lcuk_ | so if i was showing an about screen in liqbase ive gotta shell out and grab the version info | 22:52 |
| rm_you | dpkg -S `which binary` tells you what package installed it | 22:53 |
| rm_you | and then you do apt-cache policy | 22:53 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 22:53 |
| rm_you | oneliner isnt too bad... | 22:53 |
| lcuk_ | ive kinda got a half solution but i dont like the way ive done it | 22:53 |
| lcuk_ | 20:53:27 Welcome to liqbase ver 0.1 build 80 date 20080718 003056 | 22:54 |
| rm_you | apt-cache policy `dpkg -S $(which ls) | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'` | awk '/Installed/ { print $2 }' | 22:54 |
| lcuk_ | ive had to fudge a load of stuff to do it | 22:54 |
| rm_you | there | 22:54 |
| rm_you | gives you the version | 22:54 |
| lcuk_ | well - i cant even do that, ive not even got a package | 22:54 |
| rm_you | <3 awk | 22:54 |
| rm_you | i stopped using sed and grep almost entirely in favor of awk, lol | 22:55 |
| jott | hm i added some very trivial voting | 22:56 |
| jott | seems to help a bit | 22:56 |
| lcuk_ | cool jott | 22:58 |
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| jott | grr i have to disable this red light when the camera is on :P | 22:59 |
| lcuk_ | why | 22:59 |
| jott | it reflects on most surfaces | 22:59 |
| lcuk_ | thats good - i was using it last night because my main light was off | 22:59 |
| jott | maybe turn it into green when something was found ;) | 23:00 |
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| lcuk_ | YES | 23:00 |
| lcuk_ | 100% agree with that | 23:00 |
| lcuk_ | beep | 23:00 |
| lcuk_ | you would instantly know to pull away | 23:00 |
| lcuk_ | feedback is lacking at the moment - which was why i needed lines | 23:00 |
| jott | ah for now it display the number it detected on a very big label ;) | 23:02 |
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| lcuk_ | i saw but there was no indication that it was valid | 23:02 |
| lcuk_ | since it dances around randomly | 23:02 |
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| zfigz | anyone where to find maps for mapper? | 23:16 |
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| zfigz | or hell how to just get maps into its... | 23:17 |
| zfigz | i wish you could overlay google maps over it | 23:17 |
| GAN800 | zfigz, read the help? . . . | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | It tells you everything you need to know. | 23:18 |
| zfigz | anyone know how to do that ? | 23:18 |
| GAN800 | Reaf Maemo Mapper's help. | 23:19 |
| GAN800 | s/Reaf/Read/ | 23:19 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Read Maemo Mapper's help. | 23:19 |
| zfigz | cool thanks for the tip gan800 | 23:19 |
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| zfigz | im trying to figure out how to get the gps to work | 23:22 |
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| zfigz | hmmm on by default i wouuld thinkk | 23:22 |
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| rm_you | jott / lcuk_ : can't get the latest maemo-barcode to output anything | 23:35 |
| rm_you | did you guys actually commit the working code | 23:35 |
| rm_you | ? | 23:35 |
| lcuk_ | i didnt commit anything | 23:35 |
| lcuk_ | im not even a member :P | 23:36 |
| lcuk_ | but i compiled and got numbers out of it | 23:36 |
| lcuk_ | your camera might not be focusing properly or something | 23:36 |
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| rm_you | :/ | 23:39 |
| rm_you | what do you set the slider to | 23:39 |
| rm_you | for yours | 23:39 |
| jott | rm_you: there is no slider in svn head :p | 23:39 |
| rm_you | ... | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, RST38h, X-Fade didn't copy anything. . . . :\ | 23:39 |
| rm_you | jott: i see one <_< | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get your facts straight before you denigrate people. ;) | 23:39 |
| jott | then you are not on head ;) | 23:39 |
| rm_you | it plays with the black and white image... | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, nevermind | 23:40 |
| rm_you | [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/maemo-barcode2] > svn up | 23:40 |
| rm_you | At revision 33. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | "just copied" | 23:40 |
| jott | make? ;) | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Again, the idea was to start fresh. | 23:40 |
| Luria | a number of n8?0s here | 23:40 |
| Luria | nice to see | 23:41 |
| rm_you | jott: hrm odd | 23:41 |
| rm_you | well anyway, awesomesauce | 23:41 |
| Luria | so many eees... its like i've bought a mc | 23:41 |
| Luria | mac | 23:41 |
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| rm_you | i will get it pulling book titles | 23:42 |
| rm_you | and UPCs | 23:42 |
| rm_you | hopefully within an hour | 23:42 |
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| jott | an online price check would be awesome ;) | 23:44 |
| jott | ah and integration in shopping lists of course ;) | 23:44 |
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| lcuk_ | damn | 23:50 |
| * lcuk_ hates falling out | 23:50 | |
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| teamcobra | hi all.... I'm about to buy a non wimax n810, and I was wondering if by using usb host mode, I could hook up a usb wimax dongle at a later date if I need it... good or bad idea? | 23:51 |
| jott | lcuk_: i added some code that turns on the led for 3s if a code is detected ;) | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | teamcobra, search for wimax usb on internettablettalk.com | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been discussed a lot. | 23:52 |
| lcuk_ | better would be hooking with a bluetooth version, usb is fine but you cannot use it with the stand closed - going mobile is tough | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | guenther, what's the status on the guided submission form for people without canconfirm? | 23:53 |
| teamcobra | ahh, so there are bluetooth wimax dongles? | 23:53 |
| lcuk_ | nice jott ill look later, watchin a movie now back later | 23:53 |
| teamcobra | wow, I've been googling for an hour or so, couldn't find any | 23:53 |
| jott | yeah | 23:53 |
| teamcobra | and thanks antilles :) | 23:53 |
| jott | so who integrates this in a shopping list now? ;) | 23:53 |
| lcuk_ | dont know, but wouyld assume once sorted it will be | 23:53 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: "I took some notes" probably describes it best. ;) | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been floating around since 2007. | 23:54 |
| lcuk_ | bye | 23:54 |
| guenther | I plan to work on it soon. | 23:54 |
| jott | have fun lcuk_ | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really tired of people failing at using the current template. <_< | 23:54 |
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| jott | working quite nice now.. all ean13 i tested where recognized | 23:55 |
| guenther | GeneralAntilles: I should get back to you re this topic the next days, for some discussion. :) | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and, actually, I think the Guided form is mostly where it needs to be, it just needs to be turned on for the right group. | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | guenther, we need to have a pow wow about bugzilla sometime soon. | 23:56 |
| guenther | I'd love to | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sprint might be a decent time to have everybody in the same palce | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if it runs over like it did last time. . . . | 23:57 |
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