IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-07-18

lbtmy apt is whinging about libdb200:00
fnordiansliplbt: thanks. interesting00:00
lbtand I can't figure out why00:00
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GeneralAntillesLarge Statusbar Clock should be in Diablo Extras.00:02
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lcukGeneralAntilles, if i indent it all it looks dumb00:02
GeneralAntillesIndent what at all?00:02
lcukit trails off and stops somewhere in china00:02
lcukthe discussion with me and fanoush00:02
GeneralAntillesBreak it up so you don't have to take the threading so deep.00:03
GeneralAntillesOr something00:03
GeneralAntillesI dunno00:03
GeneralAntillesIt's unreadable right now.00:03
lcuklol i know00:04
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zapif my package needs terminfo files, which are not in extra00:05
zapshould I pull the whole ncurses package from tools to extra?00:05
zapjust to get the ncurses-base package?00:05
lcukGeneralAntilles, give it a try now00:06
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GeneralAntillesI'll look at it later.00:06
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lardmanI'm heading for bed, will go through the code looking at the types, fn arguments/pointers and seeing if I can remove some of the million and one arrays I use00:26
lardman-tomorrow that is00:26
lardmannight all00:26
lcukalright lardman :) excellent start though00:26
* lardman is happy doing the maths stuff as long as someone else does the nasty GUI stuff :)00:27
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lardmansee you tomorrow00:27
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LinuxCodehi guys00:40
LinuxCodelcuk you around mate ?00:41
lcukhi there LinuxCode :)00:41
LinuxCodewas going to ask you, if you bought a 16GB microsd card00:41
LinuxCodehey mate00:41
lcukheh, nope i have 1gb00:41
LinuxCodesorry wasnt around for a bit... graduated and my father passed away00:41
lcuk:) and :( at the same time00:42
LinuxCodeI was looking at a few places00:42
LinuxCodewas wondering if you knew a few others00:42
LinuxCodeI hardly see a point buying something smaller00:42
LinuxCodeif I want to try different distros etc..00:42
lcukno, i only got this because it had a micro->mini converter thing00:42
LinuxCodeok ;-}00:43
LinuxCodemaybe somebody else knows something00:43
* LinuxCode keeps googling00:43
lcukmaybe :)00:43
lcukyou missed this then:
LinuxCodeta mate00:43
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* LinuxCode is looking at it00:44
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GAN800Atarii, does the brightness slider actually work for you?00:46
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LinuxCodelcuk, wow00:47
LinuxCodeim very impressed mate00:47
LinuxCodedid you dev it and where can I get it ?00:47
Atariino GAN800, does it you?00:47
lcukso am i :)   theres a link in the info bit on youtube00:47
LinuxCodetalking of00:47
Atariiit doesn't work even with the permissions set :(00:47
LinuxCodeI havent even checked updates00:47
lcukive released a binary and the source is in garage00:47
LinuxCodebeen so busy with sorting things out00:47
GeneralAntillesHe keeps releasing these updates and none of them have done anything for me. . . .00:47
LinuxCodeonly got back from abroad sunday and leaving sunday again00:47
Atarii13-1 worked fully, but only went up to 12300:48
lcukcool, where are you calling home for now then00:48
LinuxCodeim back home00:48
lcukhave you found anywhere after graduating workwise?00:48
LinuxCodehavent had time00:48
lcukfair enough00:48
LinuxCodewith everything happening00:48
LinuxCodebut I have this guy hes a recruitment director00:49
LinuxCodehe gave me his card when I went to the young professionals meeting of the BCS00:49
lcukyer, it will settle down00:49
LinuxCodegotta update my cv mate00:49
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LinuxCodeits on my to do list for before sunday00:49
lcukheh "bein a lazy linuxhacker" doesnt work for all jobs00:50
LinuxCodeI wish I had been lazy00:50
LinuxCodeits amazing how much my father accumulated in terms of research material00:50
lcuknahhh, work hard, get where you want to be00:50
LinuxCodedonated 20 boxes of books + 8 boxes of journals to uni00:50
LinuxCodeI sorted that all out00:50
LinuxCodeohh you are speaking generally ?00:51
lcuki go through so much paper notepads im sure we could live without toilet roll00:51
ianf-hIs it really that difficult to customize the N810 with apps etc (also the rotation option) ?00:51
ianf-hI'm getting mine today.00:51
LinuxCodeI have post-it hell here00:51
lcukwhy do you think i wrote liqbase :)00:51
ianf-hopted for the N810 instead of the iPhone :P I couldn't deal with the typing via the screen00:51
LinuxCodelcuk, is it on maemo ?00:51
lcuki have saved half a rainforest already00:51
LinuxCodeand btw it looks awesome00:51
Atariiianf-h it's easy00:52
lcuktheres no package at the moment because im doing all dev work on maemo itself00:52
LinuxCodeis the opengl working now too ?00:52
LinuxCodeahh kk00:52
lcuknot yet, but we are working on it :)00:52
ianf-hright on00:52
LinuxCodeI wait a bit then00:52
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LinuxCodeman soo much to catch up on00:52
LinuxCodeand I urgently need a memory card00:52
Atariijust read the forums thoroughly00:52
LinuxCodemy n810 is complaining00:53
lcuklol atarii, saying that is like trying to catch up on slashdot after a few days away00:53
lcukmy poor 810 is bursting at the seams, im having to mmap memory from my casio watch to get extra storage space00:53
LinuxCodegot a spare watch mate ?00:53
ianf-hDoes bestbuy sell memory for cheap?00:53
Atariichecks itt gets addictive!00:53
ianf-hI've gotta pick up some memory sticks for mine00:53
LinuxCodeI could do with the memory and the watch00:54
Atariibeing on here is worse, it's so easy to miss exciting things happening on here lol00:54
ianf-hAny recommendation on the type of memory I should get?00:54
lcuki cant remember00:54
lcukive got a bad memory00:54
lcukianf-h, i really dunno00:55
GeneralAntillesianf-h, newegg.com00:55
ianf-hno worries00:55
ianf-hGeneralAntilles, yeah?00:56
ianf-hBest spot eh?00:56
ianf-hI like newegg a lot00:56
RST38bissomebody with a desktop, could you check the url to get a list of latest itt posts?00:56
ianf-hGot a refurbished monitor for cheap from them00:56
RST38bisneed to know what it is00:56
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LinuxCodeok so according to the forum you still cant buy a 16GB sdhc micro card in the UK00:56
overflok16GB ?00:57
RST38bisatarii: thanka!00:57
lbtAAAAaaaaaaaargh!!!!!  f*'@&^n scratchbox00:58
ianf-hCan you get 16GB cards?00:58
ianf-hI can't find any on newegg00:58
lcukoh no!!! lbt00:58
lcukwhats!!! up!!! with!!! it!!!00:58
LinuxCodeguess I will delete a few things00:58
lbtW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems00:59
LinuxCodebut we been waiting months for that00:59
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lbtWhat does it think I'm f'ing doing!!!!00:59
lcukjust uninstall the stuff you dont need00:59
LinuxCodelcuk, indeed00:59
lcuklbt, cant you just run it?00:59
GeneralAntilleslbt, what problems? :\00:59
lcukor even when you do that its stuck?00:59
LinuxCodething is I like to try things out hehe00:59
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lbtI got the NIT to do an upgrade - at which point it's using
lbtwhich I can't get into sb01:00
ianf-hWould that work?01:00
lcuklbt, you updated nit to diablo but still using chinook sdk?01:00
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ianf-her wait01:00
ianf-hit's not micro01:00
lbtI think the sdk is half updated01:01
ianf-hthought it was01:01
* RST38bis building a few packages as we speak01:01
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lcukoh LinuxCode new version is out 4.1, fast gps01:01
RST38bisMasterGear and Virtual GameBoy done01:01
Atariigameboy done? sweet01:01
RST38bisjust need to test andx01:01
LinuxCodeof maemo ?01:01
LinuxCodethen i will have to flah the thing01:02
RST38bis release for all platforms01:02
lcukthen you will have plenty of space again01:02
Atariiare they uploaded yet?01:02
LinuxCodefast gps sounds good01:02
RST38bisnope - no real internet access, just gprs01:03
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lcukyer apparantly it locks faster than a drunken policeman in a ghetto01:03
RST38bislinuxcode: not fast, just somewhat faster01:03
LinuxCodeRST38bis, any improvement is welcome01:03
lcukactually getting a lock before you reach your destination is an improvement01:04
LinuxCodelcuk, haha agreed01:04
RST38bisit gets ephemerides (?) and almanac from the net01:04
lcukanyway, i have lots to do this evening.    LinuxCode :) good to see you in the chan.  call back soon.  keep yourself going mate01:05
RST38bisbut still needs to find sats afterwards01:05
LinuxCodesame to you mate01:05
LinuxCodegotta do paperwork and tidy up01:05
LinuxCodeand thanks for the updates01:05
LinuxCodeI will talk to you soon mate01:05
lcuknp :)01:05
lcuk\o   cyas later01:05
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Atariijust been reading on itt about genesis emulation on the nokia, anyone know if any progress has since been made on picodrive>?01:13
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jga23anybody know how to remap keys on the n810 keyboard?01:15
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RST38bisatarii: and what is the problem porting picodrive to maemo?01:18
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RST38bisanybody good with svg editor?01:19
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fnordianslipis anyone else getting 404s from App-Manager for the maemo diablo repo.  It seems to have been like that for quite a while for me, but the Extras and other stuff is fine.01:22
AtariiRST38bis i dont know, just read that there was some01:25
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ianf-hI just ordered it from amazon and it was $35001:33
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crashanddie_evening is getting long...01:34
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crashanddie_never knew you could have so many courses on a barbecue01:35
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ianf-hDoes Amazon sellers usually provide refunds?01:38
ianf-hI'm thinking about getting a refund for it and going for the compu or tigerdirect deal01:38
ianf-hsave me $50 to spend on foooood01:39
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jga23anybody know the name of the ` char?01:50
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AStormit's "grave"01:53
jottor in geek language backtick ;)01:54
AStormshellie ;)01:54
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cfhhi all i have some problem with bluettoth keyboard on my n800 with the new IT200802:05
cfhkbdd works without problem but the keyboard doesnt works (with IT2007 it works well) :)02:06
cfhwhat can i do ?02:06
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lcuk_afkcfh, not sure.  bluetooth kb on mine works well in 200802:08
lcuk_afkive not heard of anyone really having problems02:08
lcuk_afkdid you flash back to 2007 to confirm, or is that from memory?02:08
cfhthe bt ketboard is associated but doesnt work02:09
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cfhi just flash on 200802:09
lcukhave you tried rebooting both devices02:09
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cfhin 2007 all works good02:09
lcukand bt batteries are all ok and everything..02:10
cfhnow i try to reboot02:10
cfhon my ketboard i have a led of status and is on02:11
lcukcool, i spent a couple of minutes bashing mine the other day before realising batteries were flat ;)02:11
lcukapple light doesnt stay on most of the time02:11
cfhok now i search 2 new batteries02:12
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lcukbeyond that i dunno.02:13
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crashanddie_lcuk: heading home now, ttyiab02:17
cfhthe n800 said that the kb is associated but the kbdd script said disconnected02:17
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cfhnow kbdd said connected but the led blink and it doesnt work02:19
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cfhnew batteries  :(02:20
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cfhok now it works good :)02:22
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rm_youAtarii / zap / daperl: awake02:52
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snowmoonFinally, figured out the magic incantation that will make bi-directional Notes <-> Google docs work.  Updating an existing document was finicky, but I figured it out.02:54
Atarii770woot rm_you im here02:55
rm_youAtarii770: :)02:55
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rm_youAtarii770: not sure why the 13.5 would just fail...02:55
snowmoonIs Python inotify prebuilt somewhere?02:55
rm_youAtarii770: you tried rebooting?02:55
rm_youAtarii770: can you tell me what the permissions on "/sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level" are?02:55
Atariii did manually a+w them02:56
Atariiafter it not working02:56
rm_youand did that make it work?02:56
rm_youdo you know if at least the part that was supposed to set the permissions worked, if not the app itself?02:57
rm_youdid you *look* at the permissions before you reset them?02:57
Atariii didnt check, let me reboot and find out02:58
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Atariiit should set them on boot right?02:58
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Atariiwas playing dizzy on ines to pass the time before you came back lol03:00
rm_youI accidentally slept for like 13 hours again >_>03:00
Atariibacklight_level is -rw-rw-r--03:01
Atariiso it *should* work?03:01
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rm_youi think it needs 666 not 664 <_<03:02
rm_youwonder why it didnt work03:02
Atariibut it still didnt work after manually setting anyways03:02
rm_you664 is no change03:02
rm_youcan you run /etc/init.d/backlight-permissions restart03:02
rm_you/etc/init.d/brightness-permissions restart03:03
rm_you/etc/init.d/brightness-permission restart03:03
Atariinot found03:03
rm_youO. crap03:03
Atariinothing backlight related there03:04
rm_yourun this:03:04
rm_youawk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version03:04
Atariiinvalid content of \{\}03:06
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rm_youyou typing or copy/pasting?03:07
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Atariiawk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version03:08
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Atariigrr how do you copy in xchat03:09
deepwaveHello, I'm sure this has been asked before but... Where can I get fsck?03:11
deepwaveTo run on my n810 that is...03:11
rm_youdeepwave: are you actually using any ext filesystems?03:12
rm_youI don't think fsck is useful for vfat.... though i could be wrong :/03:12
summatusmentisdoes anyone know if there's a way to get a cell phone to do triangulation using the n810 gps, and then send that data to the n810?03:12
deepwaveNope, but my internal memory is acting up...03:12
burntesummatusmentis: Just use the 810's built in GPS and the AGPS03:13
crashanddiesummatusmentis, triangulation requires multiple antennae03:13
deepwaveSays its read-only and dmesg reports filesystem panic03:13
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rm_youAtarii: hrm...03:15
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johnxdeepwave, it's in dosfstools, fsck.vfat03:15
deepwaveAny particular repo that I need?03:16
rm_youAtarii: aaahhhh ok :P03:16
rm_youAtarii: figured it out. though, not why it doesnt work even with it chmodded03:16
johnxdeepwave, I was pretty sure it was installed by default...03:16
rm_youbut i know where the script went03:16
rm_youjohnx: fsck.vfat actually does something? :P03:17
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johnxrm_you, yes, it does03:17
Atariikk :D03:17
johnxrm_you, why do you think it doesn't?03:17
summatusmentisburnte: it doesn't work well03:17
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johnxdeepwave, look it up on if you don't have it03:17
summatusmentiscrashanddie: what do you mean?03:17
rm_youjohnx: never had it present on any system i have run03:18
rm_youjohnx: so i assumed it didn't exist :P must just not have had the right packages03:18
crashanddiesummatusmentis, you want to do triangulation03:18
johnxrm_you, lol. It's been around for-freaking-ever03:18
summatusmentiscrashanddie: yes, that's what I'm asking about, multiple antennae?03:19
rm_youjohnx: right, well, following the wrong assumption that it didn't exist, was the logic that if it didnt exist by NOW, there must not be a use for it :P03:19
rm_youjohnx: i wonder what package it is in03:19
rm_youah yeah03:19
rm_youapt-cache just told me :P03:19
crashanddiesummatusmentis, triangulation really does mean using a triangle based algorithm to locate someone. If you have a target emitting, receptor one picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, this gives a circle. Receptor two picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, giving a second circle, you have two points where the circles cut one another, that's the location of the emitter03:20
rm_youAtarii: last version it worked in was... ?03:20
burnteAnyone know of a media player that support NSFs (NES Sound Format, NES ROM music)?03:20
crashanddiesummatusmentis, that's triangulation, I don't see how an n810 comes into play with that03:20
rm_youAtarii: that you recall03:20
rm_youjohnx: oooo: -A       toggle Atari file system format03:21
johnxrm_you, yeah, old :P03:21
deepwaveThanks johnx, I'll take a look at those repos.03:21
summatusmentiscrashanddie: cell phones are able to triangulate roughly where you are. I'm wanting to use my cell phone to triangulate, and use that as agps for my n81003:21
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johnxdeepwave, what version of OS2008 are you using?03:21
Atarii13-5 worked, but it was only 0-12303:21
burntesummatusmentis: Can't do that.03:22
whycodei was wondering if there is a raytracer for maemo ? :)03:22
rm_youAtarii: and 13-6 doesn't?!03:22
burntethe AGPS for the 810 works by getting ephemeris data from Nokia for your location.03:22
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burntesummatusmentis: so if you want to use the agps applet for the 810 with your cell, you'll need to let it fetch a couple kilobytes of data.03:22
summatusmentisthe agps applet requires knowing where you are, roughly, and doesn't seem to work that well03:23
Atariiwait which do i have installed now03:23
Atariione sec03:23
burntesummatusmentis: Works great, it needs to knwo roughly wher eyou are, and then it requests ephemeris data.03:24
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summatusmentisknowing roughly where you are makes it sort of pointless in some situations, one. I've tried agps, and it took upwards of 10 minutes to get a lock03:24
burntedid you have a data connection at the same time?03:25
burntethat's the important part03:25
Atarii77013-1 worked rm_you03:25
summatusmentisyes, I did03:25
crashanddiesummatusmentis, I'm sorry, but your phone is unable to triangulate anything03:25
burnteit only needs to know where you are when you start, so it knows what satellites to look for03:25
rm_you13-1 worked but not 13-5?03:25
rm_youyou on 13-5 now?03:25
burntewhat crashanddie said.03:25
burntethe phone doesn't triangualte, the cell towers do.03:25
burnteyour phone knows nothing.03:25
crashanddiesummatusmentis, at best, maybe your service provider can triangulate the position of *your* cell phone, but not the other way around03:25
rm_youWTF garage is fast!?03:25
johnxSometimes, even I don't know what to make of some posts:
snowmoonsummatusmentis: the current APS is the start of a framework that will allow for better TTF using multiple sources of data03:26
summatusmentiscrashanddie: ok, that makes sense03:26
snowmoonAGPS that is03:26
crashanddiesummatusmentis, plus, it would still need your n810 to access the network in order to know which satellites to use based on the coordinates it might have gotten from the cell phone03:26
crashanddiesummatusmentis, but it wouldn't be any better then AGPS03:26
summatusmentisis it possible that I just live in the middle of nowhere, and have bad gps signal around here?03:26
burntetrees and hills will really screw your GPS reception03:27
snowmoonin fact GSM cell-id was in the codebase, but turned off for initial release.  it takes the current cell tower and looks it up in a DB to get appropriate satelite data03:27
crashanddiesummatusmentis, it *could* but I doubt it03:27
Atarii770g2g soon rm_you03:27
crashanddiesummatusmentis, do you have network coverage when using AGPS ?03:27
rm_youproblem was introduced somewhere between r111 and r11703:27
summatusmentiscrashanddie: yes03:27
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crashanddiesummatusmentis, are you moving ?03:28
crashanddiesummatusmentis, are you in the open air ?03:28
summatusmentissitting in my room03:28
burntetry going outside for a bit to get a lock03:28
crashanddieand you're surprised you need 10 minutes to get a gps fix ?03:28
summatusmentisdo walls affect it that much?03:29
crashanddieof course they do03:29
summatusmentiscrashanddie: I knew they'd affect it some, but I didn't realize it was that drastic03:29
snowmoonor even a south facing window will improve lock time an order of magnitude03:29
deepwaveJohnx: I'm running diabolo 4.103:29
johnxyou should have it already I think...03:30
burntesummatusmentis: The system was designed for the military, and they're usually outside.03:30
burntebuildings block sat signals fairly well.03:30
crashanddiesummatusmentis, this is how it works, you start agps, and tell it where you are (roughly). Still connected to the internet, and still running AGPS, you launch Map or Maemo Mapper03:30
burntethat's why you have sat TV dishes outside too.03:30
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summatusmentiscrashanddie: I know all of that03:30
crashanddiesummatusmentis, once the gps is searching for GPS, *run outside*03:30
summatusmentisburnte: yeh, that makes sense I suppose03:30
summatusmentisalright, fair enough. I'm gonna go eat dinner03:31
crashanddiesummatusmentis, if the GPS doesn't see any of the supposed satellites within a few seconds of searching, it will start all over again03:31
summatusmentisok. Thanks for the help03:31
crashanddieAGPS is like when you ask your mom where the stamps are, and she yells "on the thing on the left of the stuff, you know"03:32
crashanddieyou're going to look for stuff on the left of some shit, but if you don't see it right away, you're going to look fucking *everywhere*, even in the bathtub and attic03:32
deepwavejohnx: Nope I got nothing called fsck, vfat, fat or anything like that... At least not from x-term...03:32
johnxdeepwave, it's fsck.vfat03:33
johnxdeepwave, are you root?03:33
johnxwell, that would affect things...03:34
deepwaveLol, ok03:34
snowmoondeepwave: have you checked your partition table to make sure it wasn't shipped screwy by nokia?03:35
johnxyou knew about fsck so I assumed you knew it needs to be run as root. If you need root access install rootsh (recommended)03:36
deepwaveWell I used to using Linux workstations. :)03:37
johnxdeepwave, and on those workstations you need to be root to run fsck as well...03:37
tank-manlol, maybe he is root all the time on his workstation03:38
deepwaveEh... No.03:38
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deepwaveBut you usually set up a root password... Or use sudo...03:38
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johnxubuntu is the only distro I can think of that has /sbin in the user's PATH by default...It always messes with new users when they end up on Debian or something else...03:39
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Atarii770rm_you: im off. up again in 4 hours to graduate03:40
Atarii770catch you tomorrow03:40
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deepwaveHmm... Running fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 gives me : osso_mem_saw_enable failed03:46
johnxwell that's pretty cool03:46
johnxdoes dmesg say anything now?03:47
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deepwaveOh well I'll just backup my stuff on it and reformat. :(03:53
deepwaveThanks for help johnx.03:53
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johnxdeepwave, sure. too bad it didn't work out03:54
johnxcheck your partition table if you get a chance. that might be causing the corruption03:55
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lcuk_afkhow do i refresh from svn04:01
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lcukit keeps telling me im still at rev 7 without getting the stuff from the server again - i wanna undo what ive coded04:01
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johnxsvn up04:02
GAN800cd ../ ?04:02
lcuki did that04:02
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johnxmaybe svn revert ?04:02
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lcukgot it, thanks - i had to tell it to revert recursively and tell it which folder to work with04:05
lcuki suppose it stops you messing up04:05
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rm_youis the wiki entirely failing to load pages now?04:07
rm_younm working again04:07
johnxrm_you, but garage is faster, right? jeez. you want everything :P04:07
rm_youit was giving me weird page could not be loaded errors generated by the server :P but about 60 seconds later it is back04:07
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: hey04:14
rm_youGAN800: hey04:14
GAN800About to leave again.04:14
rm_younm then will catch you later04:14
GAN800Brightness doesn't do anything on 13-504:15
rm_youneed to ask questions about 770 ABL and do testing04:15
rm_youwhat was the last version that DID work04:15
rm_youbesides permissions issue04:15
GAN800None, as far as I know.04:15
GAN800But Atarii says 13-104:15
rm_youcan you verify that?04:15
lcukarghhhhhhh whos good with makefiles?    i wanna go to bed but i wanna test code ive done and i cant get the makefile to accept it04:18
rm_youlcuk: i can decently04:18
rm_youlcuk: pastebin?04:18
rm_youah k04:18
lcuklook at that04:18
lcuki have a second c module: liqscan.c    i want it to be compiled and linked in with the final binary maemo-barcode04:18
lcukand it keeps crappin me out (hence the revert before)04:19
lcuk~lart bedtime04:19
* infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking bedtime's head off04:19
lcukthe makefile for liqbase expects me to specify the list of all .o files.  it then builds them out of that (using a .c -> .o rule)04:20
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rm_youwell, i get it to work slightly if i add:04:24
rm_you            $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $<04:24
rm_youotherwise it is looking for the %.c build targets04:24
lcukthat will still attempt to create 2 executables though wont it04:25
lcuki think04:25
rm_youlet me look at some of my old stuff04:26
lcukive just cheated for now, rm_you, its ok i found a quicker way04:26
lcukit works if i make clean first ;)04:26
lcuk#include "liqscan.c"04:26
lcukthanks anyway, but if you do find a cleaner solution shout me please :)04:27
johnxha! sed kinda rocks (except that it hurts my brain)04:27
lcukthis linux syntax and mix of incantation languages blows my mind when i have to pick up new stuff04:28
johnxmost linux stuff behaves the same way04:29
lcukgimme a gui and standardise it into "shove some data there"04:29
johnxit's when you hit the stuff that linux inherited from Unix where the fun starts04:29
johnxlcuk, hey, at least it's not the windows command line...04:29
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johnxlcuk, have you played with command piping yet? it'll blow your mind (in a good way)04:30
rm_youlcuk: hrm04:30
lcukgranted, linux IS powerful enough to do anything, its just knowing the binding language04:30
rm_youlcuk: yeah your original works fine here, if you start with a clean directory04:30
lcukit does, but it doesnt include my .c file04:30
johnxlcuk, yeah, picking up the shell can be painful. I learned mainly through brutal stubborness :)04:30
rm_yousomewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c"04:31
rm_youand then tell it to compile $(CFILES)04:31
lcukrm_you, :) you are right, original base playground has it like that04:32
lcukbut for some reason i lost the line and was left with just the .os04:32
lcukive been adding ever since :S04:32
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lcukit works though04:32
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churlanyone wanna crush my hopes and dreams when dealing with gizmo5?04:35
johnxchurl, sure04:35
johnxchurl, gizmo5 doesn't love you. She was only using you to get to Tony. She was toying with you!04:35
johnxsomething like that?04:36
churlwell i kinda knew, but....04:36
churlyeah, i know, but... who am i kidding....04:36
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churldarn butter knife...04:36
johnxhi [yzf600]04:36
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churljohnx: so are you familiar with the workings of gizmo?04:37
[yzf600]what would be the best way to create and render a status icon in my apps main window?04:37
[yzf600]I'm currently creating a table and populating it with buttons and icons04:37
johnxchurl, not really, but asking is worth a shot04:37
[yzf600]but based upon some input, I'd like to change one of the icons04:37
churlwell, i was just checking out the whole backdoor number thing and found that a lot of my friends numbers were valid for working through the backdoor. are you with me?04:38
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johnxchurl, ok, got it04:39
churlreally, i dont know what to ask, it seems everyone is having problems with the service and no one has much for answers04:39
churli get two rings, the silence, and that's with a paid call04:40
churlthe other end hears me, i hear nothing04:40
johnxhmmm...once we get outside the unixy part of gizmo and into the phone part, I'm kinda out of my element04:41
churlthat would be the start of my problems, the temptation of free calls to my friends through the working back door numbers is very exciting, me having no phone04:41
johnxI just bought skype-out minutes :s04:41
johnxI'm sure that makes me lame or something04:41
churlhaha maybe just employed04:42
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johnxI've gone through like $5 of skypeout minutes in the last couple months04:42
churli couldnt pay my cell bill so i got an n800.. for phone use, boy was i wrong04:42
churlyeah, it is a good deal04:42
johnxI guess if you talk a lot it could be a problem04:43
johnxhaha! I think I just got libtinymail to compile in poky/OE04:44
snowmoonchurl: Backdoor dialing has an annoying announcement played to both caller and callee04:44
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churlman, i sure was hoping that i could call both my best friend and my girlfriend for free, i was over joyed when it said that their numbers could be called for free04:44
churlsnowmoon: no problems there for me04:44
churlit's better than calling your friends with iprelay!04:45
snowmoonYou don't hear an annoucement at the beginning of each call?04:45
rm_youbackdoor dialing!? >_>04:45
churlsnowmoon: no04:45
churlsomethings up with my setup04:45
johnxrm_you, it works around the PSTN network, using only VOIP04:45
churlmy install or whatever04:45
Gracklebackdoor dialing sounds like something lewd involving telephones and lots of lube04:46
churli tried my best at googling a solution, but i ran back to #maemo04:46
rm_youmy cell number qualifies :P04:46
churlmy new land line doesnt, but all my friends old cell numbers do, great right? if it would work for me,. any suggestions on  possible bug/install flaws?04:48
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rm_youlet me try on my tablet04:48
churlplease do :)04:48
rm_youwhat does it do for you again?04:48
rm_youjust hangs up?04:49
johnxGrackle, I think the sentiment is that gizmo is trying to screw the phone companies out of collecting fees04:49
rm_youGrackle: thats the same thing i thought <_<04:49
Gracklejohnx, hahaha04:49
johnxI was going to make a slightly more colorful metaphor, but this is publicly logged O_o04:50
churlanyone want to message me their number so i can try to call it?04:50
churli promise not to talk to you04:50
churlill grunt04:50
rm_youlol sec04:50
churlso you cant tell that im a real human, or i could just make the soothing noise of keyboard clicks04:51
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* johnx is skeered O_o04:51
GrackleI was wondering why my laptop wouldn't boot the install CD04:52
rm_youchurl: works great here04:52
rm_youno problems04:52
rm_youchurl: you using "Gizmo" via the communication menu?04:53
churlreally, what can you tell me about your setup?04:53
rm_youor did you install Gizmo5 via deb?04:53
* Grackle realized after dicking with BIOS and boot order that he had put the application install CD in04:53
churlfirst one04:53
rm_youthats prolly it04:53
churloh damn04:53
rm_youinstall that04:53
rm_youand run it (is a separate app, it will show up in Extras)04:54
churlthanks a bunch, ill try that04:54
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rm_youjohnx: get Gizmo5, can call me for free :P04:54
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rm_youjott: same :P04:54
GDEhow do we get the 'APP MUST BE CLOSED EMAIL' to go away04:54
GDEor something like that?04:55
GDEoh, and hello everyone04:55
johnxhi GDE04:55
johnxno way to avoid that message unless you stop using the email client or wait for a fix04:55
johnx(or fix it yourself)04:56
GDEI think it drains my battery04:56
johnxnah, it's the other email problem that does04:56
johnxthe one where it keeps running but uses 100% CPU time04:56
GDEand push email is useless cause of the error04:57
johnxit's funny cause I see that message, but I still get mail. I think on mine it's restarting in the background04:57
GDEwell i get mail as well04:57
GDEjust after I confirm it04:58
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johnxer, I still get the blue flashing light/message in the bottom left corner even while that message is popped up04:58
GDEi get that to at times04:58
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GDEthanks for the clarification04:59
rm_youi use claws-mail04:59
rm_youit ALWAYS seems to work perfectly >_>04:59
johnxrm_you, does it notify of email while closed?04:59
churlside note while installing:  a friend gave me his GPS and let me say, that it's the most awesome useless thing i own05:02
rm_youjohnx: don't think so? not 100% tho05:02
rm_youbut that doesnt really matter05:02
rm_yousince I always have email05:02
rm_youit would just ALWAYS be notifying me :P05:02
johnxrm_you, right, it does matter for other people :P05:02
rm_youi wonder how hard it would be to port that functionality05:03
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rm_youlemmie check to see for sure that it doest work already05:04
johnxmight be easier to separate out a different mail checking daemon05:04
johnxthe other thing is I like modest's interface a lot better :/05:04
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rm_youi might, if it would ever actually check my inbox05:05
rm_youand people would tell me something in response other than "whatever, IMAP is useless"05:05
rm_youbecause it isn't.05:05
johnximap rawks05:05
johnxbut, it can be a pain to debug05:05
churlwell, i reinstalled gizmo505:06
churlnot looking good05:06
johnxrm_you, is there a verbose switch you can hit for modest to make it tell you more?05:06
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churlwell, my gf said she got a ring05:09
churltrying again05:09
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churlwell, i seems to be the standard problem i read about, as soon as they pick up.  it hangs up05:13
churlthank you guys for your input!05:13
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churlim sure you know how these things can be05:13
johnxyeah I know. I hate phone systems05:13
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churlsomeone saying it could just be my home network05:24
churlill take it out later and pray05:24
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pupnik'how many times did you reboot it?'  'three, like you always tell me to"05:28
lcukgnite chaps.   pupnik people have started to get money05:28
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yigalhey about mail is the led bif readily accessible, for other programs to use?05:33
yigalthis is just for the future, but if I'm using mutt, then using the led bif would be very nice05:34
pupniknite lcuk_zzz05:34
pupnikyou can flash the leds... it's an odd interface... forgot how05:35
yigalexcuse me biff05:35
yigalso it is accessible though, that's about all I want to know for now05:35
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yigalin this case the led flashes05:36
yigalvery nice, I must say05:36
yigalsounds terrible05:37
yigalbut I guess it's nice to see the versatility of the hardware05:38
yigalsoftware excuse me05:38
rm_youwow, the version of python2.5-imaging in the official repo has broken png support05:40
rm_youIE, it wasn't even built with the PNG library >_<05:40
summatusmentisyeh, I don't ever want to go back to Windows anything05:40
rm_youoh well, recompiled it myself and it works <_<05:40
yigalI cry when I see the stupidity of windows05:40
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yigalwhat about putting windows ce on it?05:42
yigaljust theoretically05:42
yigalI've been looking around and have found that ssh from pc --> n800, is sooo slow is there a fix?05:44
rm_youworks fine here05:46
yigalrm_you: that's good to know05:46
yigalrm_you: are you using diablo os2008?05:47
yigalrm_you: ok, any special tweaks or it just works, :)05:47
rm_youjust works :P05:48
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yigalno, it is just so slow05:53
yigalrm_you: you can't remember what tweaks you did to make it work?05:54
yigalall in good time05:54
rm_youdid no tweaks05:54
rm_youjust installed it05:54
rm_youis just as fast as any other ssh05:54
rm_youIE, instant response time <_<05:54
yigalrm_you: n800 --> pc is just as fast but pc --> n800 sllllloooooowww :(05:55
johnxyigal, might want to adjust power saving options (or replace your router)05:55
yigalrm_you: funny05:55
pupniklol @ summatusmentis05:55
yigaljohnx: replace my router !!!!05:55
yigalpupnik: right, ok no savings and I'll see how it behaves05:55
rm_youam on pc->n800 right now05:56
rm_youit is instant for me05:56
rm_youno lag at all05:56
johnxyigal, sounds like your router doesn't work right with n800 wifi powersavings05:56
yigalrm_you: I enby you05:56
rm_youyigal: yeah, what router are you using?05:56
rm_youI have a WRT-300N05:56
rm_youand a WRT-54G05:56
rm_youboth are excellent05:56
rm_youthough WRT-300N still doesnt work right with dd-wrt or openwrt >_>05:56
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yigaljohnx: I'm using dd-wrt with buffalo05:57
yigalhmm, maybe it's because of dd-wrt?05:57
yigalI'll try reflashing05:58
johnxyigal, turn off psm on the n800 first05:59
johnxsee if it helps05:59
ShadowJKWhich model of WRT-54?06:01
ShadowJKYeah but which model of WRT-54G?06:01
ShadowJKThere are like a dozen different ones...06:02
yigaljohnx: how do I turn off psm?06:02
yigalis it a driver, or control panel setting?06:02
pupnikyou can echo something to proc06:03
yigalsounds reasonable06:03
ShadowJKit's also in the gui when you setup a connection, behind a button called 'advanced'06:03
pupnikturn it into performance mode06:03
pupnikoh that... sorry i'm thinking of something else06:03
yigalok, I'll check it out06:04
rm_youyigal: or it should be on the bottom of the wrt-54g :P06:04
rm_youit will have model/revision06:05
yigalno, I think I have to echo something to proc06:05
yigaloh, no as I said before I'm using a buffalo router06:06
rm_youoh right06:06
yigalyour using the wrt06:06
ShadowJKYeah and I was asking rm_you what model linksys he has :)06:08
yigalso anything to echo to /proc?06:08
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rm_youShadowJK: WRT-54G rev206:09
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rm_youalso WRT-54G rev406:10
rm_youalso WRT-300N rev106:10
yigalyour a wrt man06:11
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burntegreat routers.06:11
yigalnothing better, cool runnings06:12
burnteI have a 3.1 and a 406:12
yigalI got the buffalo as the next generation, but it runs hotter than it06:12
ShadowJKI have a WRT-54GL06:12
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rm_youah never had to get a GL06:12
rm_youas i had the older ones06:13
rm_youas an IT guy i come across wrt54g's a lot06:13
rm_youthe older ones06:13
yigalI had a GL but gave it away for the buffalo, doh!06:13
rm_youand a lot of times they are broken06:13
yigalreally? wow06:13
rm_youso i take them and reflash them with dd-wrt and the live again :P06:13
burnteI use my 4 because I got it first, managed to get a 3.1 later on, it's my tester and backup06:13
rm_youso many free WRT-54g rev2s06:14
rm_youi gave a few away06:14
rm_youjohnx: OMFG!06:14
rm_youjohnx: modest finally loaded my mailbox!06:15
rm_youit just takes a little over an hour to load it06:15
Medic119You know all the NIT e-mail prgs have been so bad, I just gave up using them al together.. Just load G-Mail in the iPhone interface thx to UserAgent string06:15
rm_youand each message takes about 30 seconds to open06:16
rm_youewww, this UI is icky tho... everything feels really cramped. I like all the tiny claws stuff better :P06:16
rm_youclaws-mail works wonderfully06:16
Medic119Claws broke my Nit backups..06:16
rm_youI don't do NIT backups :P so there ya go, lol06:16
rm_youI use root on sd06:16
yigalthat darned ssh made me kill a screen terminal 1 of 9 that angers me a bit06:17
Medic119lol.. If I could figure out a good way to flash-back my NIt I'd just SD backup06:17
rm_youyigal: i've had the same window open with ssh on my pc->n800 for 3 days now06:17
rm_younever disconnected, never times out, always responsive06:18
rm_youstays running for 12+ hours while i am asleep, i wake up, start using it again06:18
Medic119rm_you: didn't notice a CPU hit?  If I leave SSH running for along time my NIT starts to lag.06:18
yigalpsm saved the day06:18
yigalrm_you: no it's working now06:18
rm_youno cpu hit06:18
rm_youwell, besides what it takes just, period06:18
Medic119I use SSH a lot.  Easier than thumb-typing in X-term..lol06:18
rm_youconsidering I develop on n800, yes :P06:19
rm_youat least for python apps, i develop on n800 :P06:19
yigalI'm thinking usb or bluetoot keyboard for n800 pretty soon06:19
rm_youyeah i have a bluetooth keyboard but it is tiny06:19
rm_youi need to get a fullsize one for home06:19
rm_youand use my tiny one for on the road06:19
Medic119I'll even SSH just to edit a script.  Its just that much easier..lol06:19
yigalrm_you: sounds good, that's about what I'm looking for06:20
yigalrm_you: thought n800 by itself would be what I needed but I'm addicted to the keyboard06:20
rm_youthumbboard is good but not for coding :P06:21
rm_youit is usable just for daytoday06:21
Medic119I Almost traded my n810 for an n800, but the non-transflective screen was the put-off06:21
yigalthat's the only downgrade in my opinion06:21
yigalwhen I'm hiking, or some other sport outside it's a small bummer, but underneath a tree etc. works fine06:22
Medic119Yeah, for my use, the D-Pad beside the screen is a big plus.06:22
rm_youboth have the same dpad don't they? :P06:22
rm_youMedic119: you use Advanced Backlight?06:23
Medic119But I love my n810 anyway.  I have the one handed keyboard flip acrobatic thing I can do now just to use the D-Pad fucntions in Microb..lol06:23
Medic119Yea, I use Advanced Backlight06:23
rm_youhow does it look with backlight off and transflective sceen?06:23
Medic119rm_you:  Haven't really had need to try it, but the screen looks a bit washed out in heavy sunlight regardless of backlight level, but its still pretty usable06:23
Medic119Won't be editing phots in the sun, but for most else it works well06:24
rm_youheh yeah06:24
rm_youmight be worth it for me in TX where it is ALWAYS ridiculously bright out06:24
rm_youbut so far it has not been worth the crippled storage06:24
* rm_you <3s 2xSD06:24
Medic119umm.. I am in El Paso where it never rains and is always hot and sunny..06:24
rm_youheh yeah06:25
Medic119no, in fact I'd prefer the two SD card slots to the MicroSD any day06:25
rm_youSan Antonio06:25
Medic119I Love SA, was stationed there..06:25
rm_youyeah, so far as I can tell, not even all the features of the n810 put together are worth losing the 2x SD06:25
rm_youlot of N8x0 users in TX i think :P06:26
Medic119I really have to wonder what idiot decided a "built-in" storage slot was better than two removable ones06:26
rm_youwe should have our own summit at the same time as the one in Berlin, and do a webcast linkup ;P06:26
Medic119lol..  might be fun.  Been a long time since I did any UG like stuff06:26
rm_you... assuming they don't accept my request for summit sponsorship :P06:27
Medic119I was tempted to take apart myn810 and attempt to upgrade the internal slot until I found out what a task that would be..lol06:27
rm_youmicroSD has same pinout as normal SD, so you could maybe just switch the micro slot to a normal SD slot? :P06:28
rm_youwith a penknife and a soldering iron06:28
Medic119My hopes for the n900 are a return of two SD slots, Heck even two MicroSD/MiniSD would work06:28
rm_youjust conjecture :P06:28
Medic119Yea.  Me and surface mount we don't get along.  I am the guy who has two thumbs with a soldering iron06:28
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Medic119Now if I could arc weld the RAM in....06:30
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Medic119All-in-All add a transflective screen to the n800 and you have the best of the devices yet.  Don't really care about a GPS (and a poor one at that), Keyboard is just icing, so everything else is in the n800.06:31
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yigalI'm using a cell phone as a modem, which is a little weird carrying 2 devices all the time, but really it's not so bad06:40
yigalit's the n800 so at some point I'll probably be carrying 3, gps06:40
Medic119I like the two device thing.  One device is a lot to lose if it breaks, etc.  Not to mention I don't always want all the processor with me.06:41
yigalMedic119: agree with you there 100%06:41
Medic119Besides with the cell signal in my office.. one device would make life that much worse.  Nothing like having your head pressed into the window to make a call or send a text.  I keep Phonelink going so texts are just received on my NIT across the room06:42
rm_youheh yeah, i've done my crago shorts spiel a lot :P06:42
yigalcargo pants/shorts rock!!06:42
Medic119I wear camo every day so I have lots of pockets to use..lol06:43
rm_youn800 in the left pocket, cell phone / keys in the right, wallet in the back right, gps, bluetooth headphones and usb cables in the right leg, bluetooth keyboard in the left leg06:43
yigalbut so true06:44
Medic119thats a lot of stuff to carry around06:44
yigalI'm minus the gps but that's about it06:44
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yigalgoing to have to fix that also, pretty soon06:45
Medic119I am a minimalist now.. Nit, cellphone, keys and a small notebook06:45
rm_younever know when you need a USB cable06:45
rm_youalso, USB cable is for charging the gps/cell06:46
rm_youwhich makes it triple use ;P06:46
Medic119cool enough.  I really wish the NIT had USB charge..06:46
dougtis osso_initialize() required to be called by every application?06:46
yigaldougt: it is?06:46
dougtyigal: no idea.06:47
yigalit isn't06:47
dougtour last build we are crashing.06:47
dougtsomeone in one of the forums suggested that might be a problem06:47
yigaloh, I shouldn't say anything06:47
yigalthere are many more knowledgeable folk here06:47
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Medic119later folks06:49
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timelyX-Fade: ping06:53
timelydougt: if you want your app not to be killed then iirc you want to have called that :)06:54
timelyor something like that06:54
dougttimely: !!!06:54
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dougttimely: thanks.  another question for you.06:54
timelyGeneralAntilles: someone, ping06:55
dougtwe have this idle server creature that lets things know when there isn't any user interaction.06:55
dougtdo you know how I determine that?06:55
timelythere's a notice when the screen saver wants to trigger06:55
yigalrm_you: man I'm loving being able to ssh this is great06:56
rm_youyeah, can't believe you were living without it!06:57
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yigalI can't either I felt so empty, now, well now I have ssh06:58
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DekaritaeFring is not supposed to work on N800?06:59
mouser-I'd like to get ssh set up as well.  I've been looking for tutorials, but some were outdated for the previous OS.06:59
rm_youshould be as simple as clicking the install fil07:00
yigalnot so bad07:00
u1106what kind of networking with ssh?07:02
u1106saw IP over USB instructions on the other day07:03
yigalmouser-: what do you want to set up?07:03
yigalthat would be great07:03
yigalI haven't done it yet07:03
yigalthat's for sure07:03
rm_youmeh, wireless FTW07:03
rm_youof course, that does require that a wireless network be available :P07:04
yigalor bluetooth, etc..07:04
rm_youbluetooth to my PC would be interesting07:05
yigalnever mind bluetooth is wireless, just another name for wireless07:05
yigalalthough different protocal07:05
u1106and ~100 times less power consumption07:07
yigalmouser-: seriously what is wrong with your ssh?07:13
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mouser-yigal: Just brand new to it and haven't figured it out yet, that's all.07:17
summatusmentisare any of you skilled at kernel coding?07:17
* rm_you glances at lardman|gone07:17
yigalmouser-: have you installed osso-xterm?07:17
summatusmentishe's gone >_>07:17
rm_youI've always been meaning to start learning :P07:17
rm_youbut no :(07:18
mouser-yigal: Uh, I've just got the regular xterm installed w/chinook07:18
summatusmentisrm_you: d'you know anything about syscall()07:18
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yigalI've compiled a few but that's as far as I've gone to working wtih the kernel07:18
yigalmouser-: great07:18
yigalmouser-: and the openssh client/server ?07:19
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yigalthat's all you need :)07:19
mouser-yigal: trying to connect to windows xp box07:19
yigalah, to what type of terminal?07:19
rm_yousummatusmentis: nope :(07:22
mouser-yigal: You mean what is the client/server on the xp machine? I have winscp07:22
yigalowell I'm not going to worry07:22
rm_youwinscp is not a sever AFAIK07:22
summatusmentisrm_you: thanks anyway07:22
rm_youI use it a lot07:23
rm_youto go from n800 -> PC, you need an SSH server on the PC07:23
rm_youyou can go from PC -> n800 though with WinSCP07:23
yigalmouser-: exactly07:23
mouser-rm_you: I understand that, but was unaware it wasn't a server.  What would you recommend for a windows-based server?07:24
summatusmentisa windows based ssh server?07:24
summatusmentisdo they exist?07:24
rm_youmouser-: I think you can use Cygwin somehow, but I used a different one, err...07:24
yigalis putty just a client, yes, never mind, us linux07:25
infobotyigal meant: is putty juset a client, yes, never mind, us linux07:25
yigalit didn't use the correction?07:25
mouser-It got confused, I think.07:26
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summatusmentisyigal: it used it, on the first instance of us it found "juset"07:27
rm_youmouser-: could try
summatusmentis'nigh all07:28
mouser-What about using Hamachi as a server on the XP box?  I read somewhere that it was possible to connect to that.  SSHwindows doesn't seem to have been updated in four years, which makes me a little uneasy.07:29
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u1106is there any difference between osso-xterm and the built-in xterm in diablo?07:30
yigalI'm not to support windows so whoever wants to help enjoy07:30
u1106(sorry about the delay, my xchat @ diablo was causing troble)07:31
infobotu1106 meant: (sorry about the delay, my xchat @ diablo was causing trouble)07:31
scaldo1hi people.07:32
yigalit didn't help for you either, interesting07:32
scaldo1there's suspend-to-ram package
yigalscaldo1: hello07:32
yigalscaldo1: wow, I like the 10day battery life, and now suspend to ram what next :)07:32
rm_youmouser-: hamachi is just VPN, it is not a server07:33
scaldo1I've written it a week ago07:33
scaldo1there was many problems, but no it seems to work :)07:33
scaldo13 days, good flight07:34
mouser-rm_you: I'm not familiar with the difference, I'm still new to all this.  yigal: I'd use Linux if I could, believe me. I found this, however, which might work:
rm_youmouser-: possibly
scaldo1yigal, 10 days - you joke :)07:36
rm_youmy n800 idles for 8+07:37
scaldo1if no app is running07:37
rm_youi forgot about it for an entire week with it in a box07:37
scaldo1and SD unmounted?07:37
rm_youwhen i had  packed and moved07:37
GAN800I get 4 days idle on wifi.07:37
rm_youand i was wondering wtf had taken IP on my wireless when i plugged it all in at my new apartment07:37
rm_yousshed in to it, it was my n800 :P07:38
rm_youit had sat around idling in a box for a weejk07:38
yigalscaldo1: not quite serious, but of course I'm not using it for much07:38
rm_youand when i plugged my router back in at the new place, it had autoconnected to it :P07:38
scaldo1o_O. dont know. but if pidgin is blinking with its notify icon, it warms07:39
yigalscaldo1: jk07:39
yigalscaldo1: no pidgin for me07:39
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scaldo1I like to run about 10 app at the same time, with 512M virtual memory, and 2-3 days in idle is a record07:40
scaldo1I like to hike, so it is vital if it lives much longer.07:42
GAN800Then close your stupid shut. . . .07:42
infobotGAN800 meant: Then close your stupid shit. . . .07:42
rm_youwhy you run pidgin while hiking? :P07:43
GAN800lol . .
scaldo1there's no stupid shit. n800 is a pocket comp, 6 years ago I had similar on my table. So I think run more than 2 app is normal.07:44
GAN800Ah, idiots. <_<07:44
scaldo1I sometimes turn on gprs in my phone, and receive some messages (jabber) and email.07:44
GAN800scaldo1, yeah, sure, it can HANDLE it, but you can't do everything and expect good battery life.07:44
* GAN800 eyeroll.07:45
scaldo1now I think, I expect...07:45
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yigalscaldo1: yes, I like to hike also, well it's time for nighty nighty, best all07:45
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scaldo1sometmes hike for a week07:46
scaldo1I'll leave no for 2 hours.07:46
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rm_youGAN800: theres a kernel of truth in what hes saying, if you ignore a lot of the abrasiveness07:48
rm_youTI annoys me with their refusal to release specs, same way Sharp did with the SD stuff for their Zaurus07:49
rm_youthough in both cases, it may be something about proprietary licenses out of their control07:49
rm_youfor Sharp I sort of understand their position, as they didn't have the extra resources to put toward getting a different SD chip or doing it themselves07:50
rm_youbut I think TI does, and they just aren't <_<07:50
rm_youTegra partnering with Microsoft actually bothers me on an entirely unspeakable level though <_<07:52
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rm_youdoes the n8x0 use OMAP2420?07:58
GeneralAntillesrm_you, TI is much MUCH better with OMAP308:01
GeneralAntillesand the PowerVR stuff is out of their control08:01
rm_youlike Sharp + SD08:01
GeneralAntillesrm_you, I mostly object to the Tegra bullshit08:02
GeneralAntillesWell, A. Tegra isn't any faster than the chip we've got now08:02
GeneralAntillesand B. Nvidia has already SAID Linux support isn't a priority08:02
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GeneralAntillesand TI is DEFINITELY behind Linux support with OMAP308:03
GeneralAntillesI mean, look at the OMAP35xx08:03
GeneralAntillesThat's BASICALLY a Linux chip08:03
GeneralAntillesBeagle is mostly TI's doing.08:03
rm_youwas just looking at beagle08:03
GeneralAntillesJust this whole "Nvidia is gonna be so much kooler!"08:03
GeneralAntillesGet back to me when they actually ship something08:04
GeneralAntillesand then get back to me again when they actually ship something with Linux support08:04
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GeneralAntillesMan, I hiked 6 miles tonight while dodging rent-a-cop patrols.08:05
timelyGeneralAntilles: so is andre_ the only one who deals w/ policy?08:06
timelyi'd like to turn of "buglist" whines08:06
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jga23is there any way to map the back button on the n810 to rotate the screen?08:06
GeneralAntillestimely, andre and karsten are the bugmasters.08:06
GeneralAntillesBut I'd say it's more a community thing now these days.08:06
timely"where are they now?" :)08:06
GeneralAntillestimely, recovering from GUADEC still, it seems like. <_<08:07
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timelyfile a bug against yourself (NEW), but don't ACCEPT (ASSIGNED) it08:07
timelyleave it alone for a week. you'll get a mail complaining your buglist needs your attention08:07
rm_youjga23: yes08:07
rm_youjga23: xmodmap i believe could do it08:08
rm_youare you using advanced-backlight for screen rotation?08:08
rm_youhrm, tho nm, you would have to have that app open for internal keybinds to work08:08
Atariirm_you hey!08:08
rm_youjga23: xmodmap is your best option08:09
rm_youAtarii: hey08:09
GeneralAntillestimely, file an enhancement request? :D08:09
jga23rm_you: yes and sliderotate08:09
rm_youAtarii: no news yet, can't find anything that changed really...08:09
jga23rm_you: will xmodmap persist after reboot?08:09
rm_youjga23: i believe so if you set it up right08:09
Atariiah ok08:09
rm_you... ANYTHING can persist across reboot if you set it up right, though, so meh :P08:09
rm_youAtarii: but i need more info from you08:10
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rm_youwow netsplit08:10
rm_yougood, we're both on this side :P08:10
Atariilol lucky08:10
rm_youanyway, can you purge 13-6 and go back to 13-1 and make sure it does work08:10
Atarii13-5* you mean08:10
Atariithere isnt a public 13-6 is there?08:11
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rm_youand then go to 13-5 again and see if it still is broken08:11
rm_youack did i srsly never give you 13-6?08:11
timelyGeneralAntilles: yeah...08:11
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rm_youone second08:11
rm_youthat is ack :P08:11
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rm_youjohnx: yay lost you for a sec :P08:12
rm_youX-Fade: is there a page or something about using dput with the new pipeline?08:14
GeneralAntillesrm_you, wiki should cover it.08:15
timelyX-Fade: when will the certs be fixed?08:16
timelysafari doesn't like you08:16
jga23where do I need to place icons for them to be found by personal-menu?08:17
GeneralAntillestimely, can the default saved search set be easily changed?08:22
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timelyGeneralAntilles: globally?08:27
timely    This is the default query that initially comes up when you access the advanced query page. It's in URL parameter format, which makes it hard to read. Sorry!08:28
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timelyyes, "trivial" :)08:28
timely(err trivially)08:29
GeneralAntillesOK, good08:29
GeneralAntillesThere was a . . . discussion, of sorts, that came up on itT about how much Bugzilla "sux", and the one useful thing that might've come out of it is changing the default search set to include a few more things.08:30
timelywhat do you want?08:30
GeneralAntillesLike recently created and recently updated bugs.08:30
timelyoh brother08:30
timelyhave you been to bmo (
timelythe front page has "Bugs Filed Today"08:31
* timely curses08:32
timelyGeneralAntilles: you don't really want to try to build a single query that shows all these things08:33
timelyit's mostly just mean08:33
timelyif you want the front page to have links to them, that's easier08:33
timelyespecially, the default query is what you get when you've decided that the starting queries you have suck and want to search for something else08:34
timelyhaving to delete a dozen boolean charts would not make anyone happy08:34
rm_youdput works08:36
rm_youdoing it via w3m on my buildbox was getting *OLD*08:36
GeneralAntillestimely, yeah, I haven't thought particularly hard on this one yet, but I'd like there to be a few links you could click on on the front page to get a sort of glimpse into what actually goes on.08:36
GeneralAntillesAs there really isn't much to see with the current set up.08:37
timelyas usual, i've been there for years08:37
timelythe right thing to do is *not* to change the default query, but to improve the front page :)08:37
timelyvisit a couple of bugzillas, steal ideas / queries from their front pages08:38
GeneralAntillesYes, that makes a lot more sense.08:38
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ItalodanceMaemo Summit is free for travel!?08:45
jga23rm_you: do you know the keycode for the back button on the n810 or how to find it?08:46
qwerty12xev gives keycodes08:46
rm_youAtarii: NOOOO08:47
rm_yougah missed you by 8 minutes08:47
rm_youGeneralAntilles: got your 770? or is it in the car again? :P08:47
jga23qwerty12: I don't have that on my tablet, is there any other way?08:47
rm_youjga23: install it on your tablet? :P08:47
GeneralAntillesIt's upstairs08:47
GeneralAntillesI'm downstairs on the couch08:47
qwerty12jga23: no afaik, but I've only ever used xev :)08:48
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jga23how do I map the key to use xrandr?08:57
jga23it looks like xmodmap can I just map to another key08:57
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qwerty12It's probably easier downloading emjayes python sliderotate and editing that.08:58
jga23good call08:59
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rm_youcan't you have xmodmap run a command?09:03
rm_youmeh, thought you could09:03
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Italodancewho is For Maemo in OSiM World 2008 Here?09:29
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rm_youI *hope* to go. :) We'll see if they let me09:33
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befr0d_is it possible to view the saved passwords on microb?09:40
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atulHi facing problem ? /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set09:44
atulHow to resolve it.09:44
befr0d_nevermind, just used javascript:alert(document.frm.input) approach09:44
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atul Facing this problem How to resolve it. "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set "09:53
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timelybefr0d: you could probably use a bookmarlet that removed the type=password attrbiute09:54
timelyyou want "view passwords"09:54
* timely makes a note to add it and a link to squarefree to a blog post09:56
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befr0d_timely, thanks, just added it.10:08
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atulCan any one did this CPU Transparency howto ? inside Scratch-box?10:35
lcuk_zzzcheat: take a picture of the background, merge it yourself and paint your item10:38
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zapatul: transparency works fine for me, without setup10:44
zapatul: do you use a debian-based system?10:44
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rm_youjust posted a new iconset for Advanced Backlight :) it is horrible looking, but is a proof of concept for the iconset script :)10:57
rm_youand I may still use it for a while, lol10:58
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JaffaMorning, all11:04
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timelyhi jaska11:10
timelyhi Jaffa11:10
* timely sighs11:11
timelyt_s_o: pong?11:11
t_s_ohmm, timely, timeless, whos who :P11:12
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timelyall me11:14
timelyinfobot, me?11:14
timelyinfobot, timeless?11:14
timelyinfobot: literal timeless11:14
timelyinfobot: status11:14
infobotSince Mon Jul 14 18:39:43 2008, there have been 46 modifications, 509 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 397 commands.  I have been awake for 3d 13h 35m 8s this session, and currently reference 114980 factoids.  I'm using about 20496 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8551.54/377.23 child 0.01/0.0211:14
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timelyinfobot: i am timeless11:15
infobotit is my pleasure to meet you, timeless11:15
timelyinfobot: timelyx is timeless11:15
infobotokay, timely11:15
t_s_ook, seems my browser issue most likely was related to a damaged microb-engine install or something like that...11:15
timelyinfobot who am i?11:15
infobottimely shut up, you are a nobody11:15
timelyinfobot timely is timeless11:15
infobottimely: okay11:15
timelystupid bot11:15
timelyt_s_o: um, how does one damage a microb-engine? :)11:16
t_s_oshit if i know...11:16
lbttimely: you said "timelyx<--- is timeless"11:16
timelylbt: some infobots shortcut "i am" to "%user is"11:17
timelythis one instead shortcut it to a greeting module11:17
lbt2nd time you tried, you had an extra 'x'11:17
timelya rather /rude/ greeting module, i might add11:17
lbtI think11:17
timelylbt: yes, i know. i irc as both11:18
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timelyxthe only reason i was timely here is because #maemo-meeting was +m and i got disconnected11:18
timelyxso when i tried to reconnect, i got timely (timelyx was in use)11:18
timelyxbut i couldn't capture my nick when it dropped because of the +m11:19
rm_youinfobot: who is timeless11:19
infobotrm_you: what are you talking about?11:19
rm_youinfobot: who is timelyx11:19
infobotmethinks timelyx is timeless11:19
rm_youinfobot: who is timely11:19
infobothmm... timely is timeless11:19
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timelyxinfobot timeless is, he works on microb, see timeless's blog11:20
infobottimelyx: okay11:20
rm_youinfobot: who is timeless11:20
infobotsomebody said timeless was, he works on microb, see timeless's blog11:20
t_s_oanyways, all i know is that after i managed to reinstall microb-engine and all the packages that depended on it, the browser started working again...11:21
rm_youinfobot: I am the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:21
infobotit is my pleasure to meet you, the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:21
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_yiu11:21
infobotI think you lost me on that one, rm_you11:21
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:21
infobotI think you lost me on that one, rm_you11:21
timelyxrm_you: you have to use " rm_you is ..."11:22
timelyxbecause this infobot is annoying11:22
rm_youinfobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:22
infobotrm_you: okay11:22
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:22
infobotfrom memory, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:22
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rm_youinfobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
infobot...but rm_you is already something else...11:23
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:23
infoboti guess rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:23
rm_youi give up11:23
rm_yougood thing I didn't typo anything the first time :P11:23
timelyxinfobot rm_you is also microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, -
infobottimelyx: okay11:24
timelyxclipboard error :)11:24
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:24
infobotrm_you: what are you talking about?11:24
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:24
infobotmethinks rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.11:24
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:24
timelyxinfobot rm_you is also
infobotokay, timelyx11:24
timelyxinfobot rm_you?11:25
infobotrumour has it, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
rm_youinfobot: clear rm_you11:25
timelyxrm_you: "forget"11:25
rm_youinfobot: forget rm_you11:25
infoboti forgot rm_you, rm_you11:25
timelyxnote that you can talk to it directly11:25
timelyxwhich is why you may get surprising results11:25
timelyxespecially when watching me11:25
timelyxsince i'll only stick certain parts of a conversation in the channel11:26
rm_younever used an infobot before :P11:26
timelyxif i'm just fixing things and don't think anyone needs to care that i'm doing it, i'll do it outside11:26
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rm_youinfobot: who am I11:26
infobotrm_you shut up, you are a nobody11:26
timelyxif i'm teaching, it'll obviously be here :)11:26
rm_youinfobot: who is rm_you11:26
infobotwell, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
rm_youit should respond to who am I11:26
rm_youah well11:27
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timelyxsome variants do11:27
rm_youwonder if it is open source :P11:27
timelyxit is11:27
timelyxword on moznet is an infobot11:27
timelyxmuch friendly11:27
infobottimelyx meant: much friendlier11:27
timelyxgood bot11:27
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infobotsomebody said advanced-backlight was a combined backlight and volume applet for the 770, N800 and N810. It makes available all 127 levels of the backlight and now contains rotation support (when the appropriate packages are installed). More information here:
rm_youinfobot is useful :)11:32
timelyxinfobot is what you make of it ...11:32
rm_yous/:)/for something besides fixing errors in text :)/11:32
infobotrm_you meant: infobot is useful for something besides fixing errors in text :)11:32
lcuk_work~lart infobot11:35
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gregoroviusHi... I wanted to ask a simple question to which I haven't found an answer... how long does the battery of a nokia 8x0 last while playing music, with the screen mostly turned off?11:45
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gregoroviusis it a viable replacement to a portable music player?11:45
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alsorhircus, there, someone used the sbrsh?11:46
alsori found sbrsh support to use nfs or sshfs. which better?11:47
gregoroviusI'm particularly worried about what I read about ogg support, since a good part of my music is in ogg11:47
Stskeepsalsor: i'm inclined towards nfs as it's a real FS :P11:47
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rm_yougregorovius: well, lardman wrote a dsp decoder for ogg, so i think it is in good shape?11:48
rm_yougregorovius: but, if you're ONLY going to use it as a music player, I'm not sure...11:49
gregoroviusno, no, of course not11:49
rm_yougregorovius: i would definitely get an n800 over an n810 though11:49
aquatixrm_you: hm, is that the ogg-support package?11:49
gregoroviusI thought ogg decoding only happened in the cpu11:49
alsorStskeeps, yah, thanks. i tried the sshfs for hours, and want to use nfs instead...:(11:49
JaffaNeed a second opinion on karnhack's new logos (  ), too similar to Opened Hand's?
rm_yougregorovius: n800 = 2xSD, which right now means you can get 32GB in it, versus n810 which is 1xMiniSD, which means only like 8G >_>11:50
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aquatixrm_you: and the 2GB internal flash ;)11:50
aquatixbut indeed :(11:50
gregoroviusrm_you: yeah, I would get a used n800, mainly because of the price11:50
rm_yougregorovius: I get about 6 hours if i only listen to music11:50
* aquatix loves his n810 nonetheless11:50
rm_yougregorovius: i think... maybe more11:51
gregoroviushmp... 6 hours is less than I was hoping for11:51
gregoroviusright now I've got a meizu m611:51
rm_youi almost never JUST listen to music for a whole 6 hours tho11:51
aquatixrm_you: lardman's ogg stuff, is that or another project?11:51
gregoroviusdoes ogg, flac, and gets like 25 hours of playtime11:51
rm_youso that could be skewed, it's the only figure i remember tho11:51
rm_youyeah not going to get much more than 10 if that11:51
aquatixgregorovius: ah, what do you think of it? i thought about buying one too11:51
gregoroviusaquatix: the hardware is solid, sound quality is good, software... meh, so-so11:52
gregoroviusit's really finicky about what videos it will play11:52
aquatixvideo i don't really care about11:52
rm_yougregorovius: if you want video, the 800 is very good11:52
aquatixi'll watch those on my n810 or at home on my tft :)11:52
rm_yougregorovius: that's mostly what I care about11:53
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gregoroviusit has a couple gripes, but overall I like it and the battery life is great11:53
rm_youit plays very nice video at a decent size11:53
rm_youi get about 4 hours of video too11:53
aquatixyeah, at least11:53
gregoroviusright now I want something to check emails, play music and the ocassional game or rss reading11:53
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gregoroviusso basically i'm between an ipod touch and a n80011:54
aquatixi watched a long evening full of Lost with a battery that wasn't even full in the first place11:54
gregoroviusand I really hate apple philosophy11:54
aquatixgregorovius: i can recommend the n8x011:54
glassgregorovius: then you'll be happier with 800/81011:54
aquatix[personally i like the n810 better: smaller, keyboard etc]11:54
glassgregorovius: no need to use itunes, or jailbreak to use decent apps11:54
aquatixdoes the touch do rss?11:54
aquatixglass: indeed, use whatever you want on it11:55
* aquatix loves11:55
gregoroviusnot sure, I didn't check, but there's always google reader11:55
aquatixgregorovius: true11:55
glassthe touch doesn't do bt dialup though11:55
aquatixthe microb browser is awesome though11:55
aquatixand at 800x480 works really well11:55
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glassyeah the screen is awesome for web11:55
gregoroviusI use linux, don't even have windows installed, so the idea of using gtkpod to transfer music, jailbraking, blah, not my thing11:55
JaffaX-Fade: ping11:56
glassgregorovius: does gtkpod even support touch, at all?11:56
aquatixgregorovius: bt dialup/gprs etc is really easy with the n8x0 too btw :)11:56
aquatixgregorovius: heh, indeed11:56
aquatixglass: iirc, no11:56
gregoroviusheh, worse yet11:56
glassyeah as it's no onger an usb drive11:56
glasslike ipod classics11:56
aquatixit isn't? eek11:56
glassnope, itunes apple-properiaty format thing11:57
rm_youoh woah, just by accident found out thunderbird does email sorting with threaded conversations :P11:57
glassthe apple way11:57
gregoroviusso my main concern is if the 800 does ok as a music player, got any gripes about that?11:57
aquatixrm_you: nifty eh? :)11:57
rm_youalso just found out that modest finally supports my imap inbox11:57
melmothgregorovius: i prefer to still carry my old iriver with me.11:58
rm_youbut it has issues realizing things are read (or marking them as read on the server)11:58
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gregoroviusmelmoth: why so?11:58
melmothmost of the music application focus on whistle and bells wiht the gui.11:58
rm_youin fact i dont see any real distinction between read and unread >_>11:58
aquatixrm_you: i found out it generally marks email as `read' when you switch away from the folder11:58
aquatixrm_you: at least, with the version in diablo11:58
melmothdid not find one that play ogg and mp3, that started fast without trying to index all my cards and video11:58
aquatixbefore that, it just didn't work11:58
rm_youi dont ever switch out of my inbox.,..11:58
rm_youso, that is not so useful11:59
rm_youclaws does it correctly at least >_>11:59
aquatixrm_you: ah, i use imap because of the huge amount of folders i have ;)11:59
rm_youthough, it is catching up in usability :)11:59
melmoththat could cope with all episodes of dimention X and being able to browse them easily11:59
aquatixyeah, claws rocks11:59
aquatixmelmoth: mpd? )11:59
aquatixwith a gui11:59
rm_youmelmoth: xmms? :P12:00
aquatixor does that index too [only in the dirs you want though]12:00
melmothi havent tested those 2.12:00
rm_youxmms is winamp for linux, lol12:00
melmothbut i am currently happy with my iriver for audio. I use the n810 for maps, ebook and video.12:00
melmothand ssh client of course :)12:01
rm_youand isnt really integrated with hildon :P but, lol12:01
gregoroviusI'd rather not carry more than 1 device at a time12:01
rm_youyeah, i do like canola, even if it loads SLOW12:01
melmoththats the negative point.12:01
gregoroviusis it slow, rm_you?12:01
melmothbut as i am carrying already a phone anyway, hey, what about a third device :)12:01
rm_youit isn't slow once its open12:01
rm_youand it looks like a real professional music player frontend for a device12:01
melmothi havent tested canola because of licencing issues12:02
rm_youbut it takes like 25 seconds to open :P12:02
rm_youit is very good IMO12:02
gregoroviuswell, my meizu takes at least 10 seconds to boot, I don't mind waiting a bit if it's fast once it's open12:02
rm_youthe lack of openness is annoying, but meh12:02
aquatixcanola2 is the most beautiful program i ever saw on a handheld</just_saying>12:02
* rm_you agrees with aquatix 12:02
gregoroviuswell, I only hope battery life is at least decent when only playing music12:03
gregorovius6 hours sounds a little on the low side12:03
rm_you25seconds was just a random estimate i threw out, so i just now opened it to count and give an actual number... and i counted to exactly 25 seconds. >_<12:04
aquatixgregorovius: maybe google knows some more accurate numbers12:04
aquatixrm_you: lol12:04
gregoroviusaquatix: I couldn't find any figures on that12:04
Italodancecanola still has problem with open and play videos12:04
aquatixItalodance: even with mplayer installed?12:04
rm_youItalodance: works... alright.12:04
rm_younot as fast as just standalone mplayer, but still decent12:04
* aquatix just uses plain mplayer for videos though12:04
rm_youmy videos all play fine12:04
Italodanceaquatix yes Unfortunately12:05
aquatixItalodance: :(12:05
Italodanceaquatix i had beta1 before 9 and worked like a charm12:05
rm_youItalodance: don't know why it doesn't work for you :( works for me still12:05
gregoroviusoh, one more thing... i've read some stuff about reduced battery life with os2008, have any of you noticed anything?12:05
rm_youin Diablo with latest Canola (updated today)12:06
rm_yougregorovius: not really. seems the same to me12:06
rm_yougregorovius: pretty much exactly the same actually.12:06
gregoroviusgood to hear, thanks12:06
Italodancerm_you i told to handful (in IT Canola Forum) and He Promised To Me For Fix It on beta1012:06
aquatixrm_you: do you know whether lardman is still working on dsp-tremor? the project site is a bit quiet12:07
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melmothi felt a small change when switching to chinook (i m not in diablo yet). instead of having to put recharge the unit once per week, it was once every 4 day or something12:07
Italodancealso + long start loading12:07
melmothexcept of course when i use the gps a lot, but for short and intensive usage, i did not feel any difference12:07
aquatixmem usage seems higher than with chinook, but i guess that's because of browserd12:08
gregoroviusbrowser daemon? what for?12:08
Italodancemplayer can't play good mp4 videos yet...and Think About canola! well u will see the same problems! But Canola2 beta1 was very good for me before!12:08
aquatixgregorovius: a process for starting up the microb browser faster12:09
timelyxgregorovius: partially so that the browser ui is able to respond while the layout engine is busy12:09
aquatixItalodance: err, i have watched quite some mpeg4 videos with it already12:09
gregoroviusi see12:09
timelyxit also means that when the browser engine crashes, you can at least go back to the web pages (even if you lose your form data)12:09
aquatixtimelyx: ah? how?12:10
GDEthere is a process in diablo to make the browser responsed quicker?12:10
aquatixtimelyx: or do you mean with history?12:10
rm_youaquatix: i doubt it, because AFAIK it is done? ask him when he gets on :/12:10
timelyxaquatix: the browser ui knows what pages you12:10
aquatixrm_you: i'll do, thanks12:10
timelyxre at... when the daemon crashes, it's respawned and the ui tells it where to go12:10
GDEfunny thung is I find it to be slower and it actually crashes more often12:10
rm_youItalodance: mp4?!?!?!12:10
aquatixtimelyx: ah yeah12:10
Italodanceaquatix  but this problem is available for mplayer and we talked about it in the past! also read mplayer topics on IT forum,,,the owner of project is still working on12:11
aquatixrm_you: short hand for mpeg4 video12:11
aquatixwhich is just a container anyway12:11
Italodancerm_you y12:11
atulzap am using debina based system only. Its Ubuntu !12:11
rm_youaquatix: I know... and plays horribly on N80012:11
timelyxGDE: it's not to make the layout respond quicker12:11
rm_youaquatix: it is commonly h26412:11
timelyxit's to make the toolbar respond *at all* while the layout is *Busy*12:11
GDEquestion:  I haven't updated canola2 yet, is it faster?12:11
* timelyx sighs12:11
* timelyx really needs to blog about browserd12:11
timelyxmaybe today?12:11
GDEany improvment on the gaps between the songs?12:12
rm_youItalodance: .mp4 video is most commonly h264 encoded video, which plays very badly on the tablets. try playing something that is encoded properly with xvid12:12
rm_youItalodance: try this video and tell me if it plays better:
ShadowJKWhat kind of h264 resolution will the N800/810 play?12:12
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ShadowJKI imagine it's a bit lower than the xvid res it can do..12:13
aquatixrm_you: hm, i watch videos in `iso mpeg-4 (ffmpeg)'; is that h264? :/12:13
Italodancerm_you no media player can play them very good only mplayer has this problem12:13
aquatixah no, i guess that's xvid12:13
ItalodanceSlow / videos not playing / Diablo : Diablo is not supported dudes : / we are rushing like crazys to support it but it will not do too much if only Canola is fully ported. Mplayer, etc etc needs to be 100% diablo also to everything be fine again...12:13
aquatixShadowJK: generally it's recommended to watch 320x240 movies i think12:14
Italodancebut i have chinook12:14
rm_youItalodance: i know.12:14
rm_youItalodance: I realize that the basic media player plays the h264 videos... but it still is nothing compared to xvid. try the video I sent you12:14
GDEso Canola is fully ported now?12:14
StskeepsShadowJK: i'm about to compile a kernel on tablet. i'm sure it'll burst into flames12:14
t_s_ough, that will take hours...12:15
aquatixStskeeps: we'll keep the firefighters ready on our phone ;)12:15
rm_youItalodance: the problem has nothing to do with Diablo12:15
ShadowJKStskeeps: you don't believe in crosscompiling eh?12:15
StskeepsShadowJK: crosscompiling is for people who haven't compiled a kernel on a 50mhz12:16
aquatixStskeeps: have fun ;)12:16
aquatix[back in those days, the tree was a bit smaller i guess]12:16
ShadowJKI compiled on 133mhz 16meg ram once, the N800 should be fine, surely :)12:16
ShadowJKbut that was linux 2.412:16
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gregoroviusoh, one more Q: do you think the next os release will still support the n800? I'm afraid it'll be left behind as the 77012:18
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melmothyep i think it will support it.12:19
Stskeepsgregorovius: no clue.. but also a good reason why it's good to have stuff like debian in case the device(s) go EOL12:19
GDEany rumours on the next OS?12:19
timelyxGDE: you mean Fremantle?12:20
melmothwhat would be the point of having made a daible able to upgrade without any reflash if it was not to prepare at least one upgrade after ?12:20
timelyxthere were probably even slides ...12:20
GDEfremantle is the next one?12:20
timelyxmelmoth: well, for one, we intend to do a live update for sprint :)12:20
aquatixgregorovius: well, it uses basically the same hardware as the n810, so i guess it will12:20
GDEwhat's the story on that one?12:20
rm_youtimelyx: so if it breaks, everyone will have a dead n800 just in time for the sprint? :P12:20
aquatixtimelyx: are we skipping the E?12:21
timelyxoh yes12:21
aquatixbora, chinook, diablo.. E, fremantle :)12:21
timelyxthere is a name for e, but i'd probably be shot for mentioning it12:21
gregoroviustimelyx: s/sprint/spring/?12:21
timelyxgregorovius: no, it's a company12:21
gregoroviusah, the phone company :)12:21
timelyxiirc there's a name for g also, and see E12:21
timelyxthat's not really their business, but ...12:22
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rm_youah I was thinking developer sprint :P12:22
gregoroviusthat was an option in my head as well :)12:23
GDEokay, whats the news on the next OS ;p12:24
Stskeepsheh, 1588kb/s from - that's impressive12:24
rm_youyeah it seems quick12:24
timelyxStskeeps: CDN12:24
timelyxafaik it's still Akamai12:24
timelyxbut it's probably not misconfigured anymore :)12:24
timelyx[timeless@landfill mxr-test]$ dig repository.maemo.org12:25
timelyx;; ANSWER SECTION:12:25   43200   IN      CNAME 21600 IN CNAME      20      IN      A
timelyx;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:12:25         28      IN      A         9       IN      A         1203    IN      A
timelyx..12:25         28      IN      A
Stskeepsis win3.11 stylus friendly? ;)12:26
aquatixit might just be12:26
timelyxStskeeps: it should be actually12:27
aquatixno fance mouse-over stuff12:27
timelyxno right clicking12:27
timelyxmenus always visible12:27
timelyxiirc you could use control panel to increase widget size if necessary (not certain)12:27
timelyxon an n810, you should be fine12:27
* aquatix ran 3.11 in 640x480, which is quite compatible with n8x0's screen12:27
timelyxand w/ an n800 you have arrow keys + enter12:28
timelyxit would be nice if you could keep the left bar and lose the top though12:28
aquatixyeah, then you really have 640x48012:28
aquatixthat'd be kinda... interesting12:29
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timelyxhrm, the forum indicates he didn't get the stylus working12:35
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crashanddie3A ? You missed12:48
crashanddiemorning by the way12:48
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t_s_oheh, windows 3.1 on the tablets... i guess i dont really count as i spent most of my time in dos those days anyways...12:55
t_s_oand these days i seem to spend more and more time in the terminal on my tablet so...12:55
lardmanlcuk_work: ping12:57
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Stskeepscould be fun to see if it would be possible to run windows CE *ducks for incoming projectiles*13:02
lardmanonce you write the abstraction layer13:03
* melmoth slap Stskeeps with a projectile of some sort13:03
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jottthere where actually ideas porting wine to arm/ce ;)13:04
zapthats useless13:05
zapeven more useless than porting desktop linux apps without adaptation13:05
crashanddie(zap) even more useless than porting desktop linux apps <-- fixed13:06
lcuk_worklardman, pong13:06
lcuk_workzap, simply porting big cpu/memory expensive desktop apps is a little futile.  crashanddie (and i) think its better to design for the platform.  that way when used on large desktops the user experience will be better :)13:08
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crashanddiezap, to go further along what lcuk said, I believe that applications that were supposed to have been designed for the desktop are in fact, not designed at all. There are plenty of apps out there, that run fine on a desktop, but they run fine because the hardware on desktops is generally overkill. What we end up with, is a bunch of software that would require so much hacking in order to run natively an decently on the NIT (o13:11
crashanddier any other minimal platform), that it would most of the time be more cost/time effective to just re-write most of the features, but this time, by designing and sizing them properly13:11
t_s_oi would agree to that, i find that interfaces designed for mouse may work with a stylus, but interfaces designed for fingers work on mouse as well ;)13:12
crashanddiezap, even further, it's impossible to decently port an application and add features such as the touch screen. Sure they'll work, but they're optimized for finger usage, or just being used on the move. They're not designed for it13:13
lardmanlcuk_work: I looked at your code; nice, but overkill in this situation imo13:13
lcuk_workt_s_o :) have you seen the menus for liqbase :)13:13
crashanddiet_s_o, exactly13:13
t_s_olcuk_work: nope13:13
lcuk_worklol lardman - its not overkill.  its broken the problem down into managable clumps13:13
crashanddiethey're *not* optimized for finger usage13:13
t_s_othe best example is probably claw mail. sure, nice app. but the interface is insane, even with stylus in hand...13:14
lardmanlcuk_work: there's no need to do hill/valley following, the data are esentially binary anyway, thresholding is quicker and less error prone for this type of data13:14
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lcuk_worklardman, but the contrast problems on  this device coupled wiith location within the viewport makes exact binary matching bad doesnt it?13:15
rm_youhave you looked at the QR reading libs that are part of the iPhone barcode reader? they are GPL3 on sourceforge, and written in ... objective C... but it looked almost exactly like normal C, so the logic should be identical at least13:15
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jottlardman: thersholding does not work too well13:16
crashanddierm_you, most of the code written in objective C is the same is OO PHP, it's just a bad coder who wanted to say "I did OO", but he's still just using procedural thinking :P13:16
rm_youyou could actually look at what they have for 1d too...13:16
lardmanlcuk_work: not exact, threshold the midpoint and set things on either side to 1/0 -> ideally one would look at a histogram, find the valley between the two peaks and use that, but we're not too worried about getting it right everytime13:16
lardmanrm_you: hmm, I thought they were in Java?13:16
rm_youerr 1d13:17
rm_youthats ZX13:17
rm_youthis is different13:17
rm_youlemmie look up a link13:17
lcuk_workthe problem is you cannot use a histogram unless you have found the boundary for the barcode initially - the labels around with throw off any calculations13:17
crashanddierm_you, ZX ?13:17
crashanddiethe citroen ?13:17
rm_youyeh ZX :P13:17
lcuk_worki do threshhold anyway: i find the available input range and work on that13:17
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lcuk_workthats steps 1 and 213:17
lcuk_workcrashanddie, my menus arent finger friendly?13:18
lardmanI just think hill/valley walking is unnecessary13:18
crashanddielcuk_work, did I say that ?13:18
jottthe barcodes i held against the camera did not work at all with simple thresholding due to lighting conditions..13:18
lardmanare there speed penalties for accessing 8bit/16bit/32bit data on ARM? Which is the quickest?13:18
lardmanjott: ok13:19
lardmaninput data will be 16bit array?13:19
lcuk_workyes large penalties (at least for writing, reading may be buffered)13:19
lardmanrm_you: thanks13:19
crashanddieanyway, I have to move out people, I have a server that shat itself this morning, bbl tonight or something, cheers13:19
crashanddie"I have to move out, people"13:20
crashanddienot, "I have to move out people"13:20
rm_youcan you just straight up use objective C alongside normal C?13:20
lcuk_worklol @ bad landlord13:20
rm_youand would that compile for the NIT?13:20
lardmanderf: ping13:20
rm_youor would you have to just take the logic and recode it13:20
lcuk_workjott, whats your mail addy13:20
lardmanrm_you: no idea, but derf was converting the Java to C, so he might be interested to see he doesn't need to13:20
lcuk_workor have you sent it over lardman?13:20
jottlcuk_work: j@outpo.st13:20
jottoh more spam to come ;)13:21
lardmanlcuk_work: ?13:21
rm_youwell, if it does need to be ported to C, i could start on that :P13:21
rm_yousince it is fairly braindead13:21
lardmanwe don't have an objective C compiler I'll bet, so it will need to be tweaked13:21
rm_youcan you combine C/C++?13:21
rm_youi would guess so...13:22
crashanddierm_you, compile C, compile C++, link both .o13:22
lcuk_worknot quite so simple13:22
lcuk_workyou use c++ as the primary13:22
lardmancrashanddie: you need to give some extra bits & bobs so they know the name mangling13:22
crashanddieisn't that a given ?13:22
rm_youwell, would objective C need to be ported to C++? i dont really know what it is, but i'm guessing it is supposedly OO C?13:23
lcuk_workyou can link to c, but if the primary project is c its tough to get c++ into it13:23
jottdoesn't gcc support objective c?13:23
rm_youthat would be handy13:23
crashanddiejust write everything in assembly :D13:23
rm_youcause this code looks very usable13:23
rm_youand would mean a quick jump to QR codes :P13:24
lardmansounds good :)13:24
lcuk_workbut most barcodes arent qr, upn/ean == most of the world13:24
rm_youUPN/EAN = 1d?13:24
rm_youi'm saying, once you get 1d working, just tack the code from this onto it :P13:25
rm_youand then it does both13:25
lcuk_workabsolutely :)13:25
glass2d's can be read in j2me even13:25
u1106i guess (yes GUESS) the camera is not suitable for upn/ean13:25
lcuk_workbut within 1d barcodes theres a LTO of variations13:26
u1106anybody knows?13:26
lcuk_worku1106, why not?13:26
lardmanlcuk_work: 2D codes are more interesting, they can contain URLS and th elike13:26
glassnokia has an 2d barcode app bundled with many phones13:26
zapit sucks\13:26
u1106is the resolution good enough?13:26
lcuk_worklardman, granted but they arent used in shops yet.  and lbt wont be able to automatically untick items with his shopper app if we just know 2d ;)13:26
u1106yes 213:26
zapI tried it with N95, it couldn't recognize any barcode I tried13:27
rm_youLOL yeah13:27
glasstheres also at least couple of companies trying to push their 2d barcode readers for use13:27
rm_youbarcode integration with shopper / PyShop = WIN13:27
lardmanlcuk_work: not just, as well13:27
zapI think I've read about some magazines printing 2D urls and such on their pages13:27
jottrm_you: that's why it was started ;)13:27
lardmanlcuk_work: There was a 2D code in the Times yesterday, a datamatrix one13:27
glasszap: yeah13:27
rm_youjott: so how much of this will be portable to the morse program? :P lol13:27
u1106yes 2D work in phones with > 2Mpix cameras13:27
lcuk_worknice lardman :)  i know they are being used13:27
lcuk_work:D:D:D:D:D rm13:28
glassu1106: no need for that high13:28
glassu1106: semacode reader worked with 640x480 ok13:28
zap640x480 should be enough even for datamatrix13:28
u1106but IT is only VGA, isn't it13:28
jottrm_you: hah camera code can be reused ;)13:28
glassu1106: depends on how much data the 2d code has of course13:28
rm_youjott: and possibly the locator parts? :P13:28
lardmanu1106: just get closer to the page then13:28
rm_youimage part isolation13:28
glassbut for 30-40 bytes or so no problem with shit cameras13:29
jottrm_you: hehe find n8x0 in image :P13:29
rm_youthe camera doesn't focus well at very close range13:29
u1106but the optics doesn't allow you getting to close13:29
rm_youjott: just has to be large white area13:29
lcuk_workkryton: "ok, so thats macro zoom, what about my other features.  i can't seem to get the radio to work.  no matter how much i tweak my nipples i cannot tune into jazz fm"13:29
rm_youjott: or not so large, but pulsing13:29
u1106fix-focus for 2 meters or something like that13:29
glassi think the camera in tablets should be at least the same quality as on 3650...13:29
lardmanrm_you, u1106: ah, ok13:29
jottrm_you: heh now it goes form spatial to temporal ;)13:30
rm_youjott: cause will need to locate (probably during an initialization phase) and then receive message13:30
AStormalso, please give us a camera on the back :)13:30
AStormfor n900 :)13:30
zapI have seen some library for 2D codes, forgot its name13:30
zapmost test images were < 640x48013:30
zapand it recogized most of them fine13:30
zapexcept pathological cases, that is13:30
u1106glass: right. does scanning work in 3650?13:30
rm_youlardman: i tried to take a picture of a UPC barcode with N800 as part of a RMA request (i couldnt find my digital camera) and trying to get it readable was very bad13:31
rm_youbut hopefully it is enough for a reader app13:31
glassu1106: semacode worked with it13:31
glassu1106: not sure what you mean with scanning13:31
lcuk_workrm_you, thats why you scan each and every scan line and identify everything you can and try multiple times per image to obtain a valid code (with error checking algo)13:31
lardmanrm_you: hmm, not ideal; I've not tried it yet :)13:32
u1106glass: reading bar codes13:32
glassu1106: 1d codes no, semacode is 2d barcodes13:32
glassu1106: not too small printed of course13:33
u1106glass: right, that's what I meant. bar codes was just sloppy language13:34
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JaffaJamieBennett: tsk, your travel page mod hasn't got your arrival date in chronological order! ;-p14:07
infobotJaffa meant: JamieBennett: tsk, your travel page mod hasn't got your arrival time in chronological order! ;-p14:07
JamieBennettI'll go change it :D14:07
Jaffa...and departure too. Much tskityness.14:07
JaffaJamieBennett: ta, I'm pedantic like that :)14:07
JamieBennettOn a similar note I didn't realise lardman was from Bath, me too, small world14:08
lardmanyes indeed :)14:08
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JamieBennettthat ok Jaffa? ;)14:11
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JaffaJamieBennett: much better. Now, I *could* quibble about "1900" on departure time when all the other times on the page are "hh:mm" ;-)14:12
* Jaffa looking forward to it.14:13
JaffaAnd hopefully in the next sprint we'll kick off council elections :)14:13
JamieBennettjaffa: lets hope so.14:13
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JamieBennettAnyone know the layout of cbase, i.e. what kinds of rooms are they? Lecture rooms (lots of seats tiered) or normal one level rooms? Need to know for camera and mic placements e.t.c for recordings14:14
* lcuk_work will be stood as far away from the mic as possible14:15
JamieBennettwireless ones? pinned to the t-shirt?14:15
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jottlcuk_work: you could pre-record your talk on the n810 and just plugin the audio jacket when it's your turn ;)14:24
JamieBennettjott, thanks14:25
oilinkihi, has been reports of hot n810 with diablo & display on (maemo mapper)?14:26
oilinkihas there been..14:26
JaffaNot that I've read, but I don't use Maemo Mapper14:27
lardmanRight, I've updated the barcode code to use all integer arithmetic, I hope it works, sort of. I also hope it's nearly compilable now14:27
lcuk_work:) jott, ive got better idea than that.  graffiti will look good on a projected display.   my 810 is perfect as a control device with my own hand held notes.  hopefully it will work in time14:27
lardmanbarcode recognition code that shold be14:27
oilinkiI was driving today and the maemo-mapper was on. inside car it was may 26C and the tablet was quite hot after 45 minutes or so.14:27
jottlcuk_work: don't drop the n810 though :P14:27
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lcuk_workfeck off14:28
lardman as I don't have SVN access here14:28
jottit's your project you must have access :P14:28
* lcuk_work doesnt drop his nokia (often)14:28
lardmanI'm on WinXP atm14:28
lardmanno svn14:29
jotttortoise is just fine for windows14:29
lardmanyeah, it can wait 'till I get home at lunch time14:29
lcuk_workintegrated into explorer with pretty icons to show file status :) its very nice14:29
* lardman prefers to not use Windows for development14:29
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lardmanit has a nasty habit of screwing up line breaks and the like14:29
JaffaTortoise is really the best svn interface I've ever used.14:30
* lcuk_work uses OSS editor for development14:30
lcuk_workkomodo-edit ftw14:30
JamieBennettvi ;)14:30
JaffaBlimey, Karel is coming to the summit :14:31
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lcuk_worklardman: your "curiously black=0 and white=1 is because the image data 0=black (no light),   255=white (fullbright)14:33
lardmanlcuk_work: yeah14:33
lardmanlcuk_work: one of those comments to self sorts of things :)14:33
lcuk_workmy code is full of them :) most programs start as notes which get fleshed out with wtfs along the way for specifics14:34
jotthehe you should put "wtf" in precious places as comments in your code. any subsequent reader will "accept" your code as it is then ;P14:38
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lardmanoops, typos on lines 257 & 290, should be: code[i] = (code[i]*100/factor+50)/10;14:47
lardmanperhaps not14:47
lardmanignore me14:47
wndlardman, talking of typos, you may want to add a closing bracket in line 9614:48
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lardmanindeed, thanks14:49
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lardmanjust looking at the 2D QR code14:51
lardmanis that objective-C?14:51
lardmanlooks nasty14:52
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trickielardman: obj-c is ok once you know the syntax additions over normal C14:59
trickiesome good docs at the apple developer site IIRC14:59
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rm_youagain, i could take a crack at porting it back to normal C or else to C++ if you think it is worthwhile15:00
lardmantrickie: ok15:01
lardmanrm_you: have a chat to derf, he started porting the original Java code to C yesterday15:01
lardmanI don't know how far along he's got15:01
rm_youderf: poke15:02
rm_youderf: ping15:02
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rm_youlardman: opinions on our statusbar applet using 420k of memory? is that too much?15:03
lardmanstatusbar applet for what?15:03
Tobafor failure15:03
lardmanno idea tbh15:03
rm_you420kb of cached icon pixmaps15:03
Tobahi pupnik_15:03
Tobaprocto hsays hi15:03
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Jaffarm_you: 420KB sounds fine to me15:04
rm_youjott was concerned :P15:04
rm_youi'm deciding...15:04
zaprm_you: have you pushed your osso-software-unlocked to extra-devel? Can't find it there15:04
rm_youit's a jump from 210kb for the original icon caching15:04
rm_youzap: not yet, was waiting for people to say it was ok and not hang me for it15:05
zaprm_you: I just thought, it won't work as an automatic dependence15:05
rm_youzap: if you want it, it is in: deb binary/15:05
rm_youzap: yeah unless it is in extras15:05
rm_youzap: or if you include THAT repo15:05
zapI was thinking to make my libfreetype6 to depend on it15:05
zaprm_you: nope, it won't work even if it's there15:06
rm_youzap: well, wait a day or so and see if people are willing to use it15:06
rm_youzap: yes, it does15:06
rm_youzap: if you include that repo it will work15:06
lcuk_workrm_you, the advanced_backobese addin is looking good15:06
zapyou will have to install it first manually15:06
rm_youzap: no15:06
rm_youzap: it works, i tested15:06
rm_youlcuk_work: lol15:06
zaprm_you: let's suppose libfreetype6 depends on osso-software-unlocked15:06
zaprm_you: I do "apt-get install libfreetype6", right?15:07
rm_youzap: yet15:07
rm_youzap: yep15:07
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zapand then apt-get will tell me that it cannot upgrade libfreetype6, becaise osso-softare-version-rx44 depends on libfreetype6-1osso115:07
zapand it won't even try to download osso-software-unlocked15:07
rm_youzap: yes it will15:08
rm_youi take care of that15:08
rm_youit works15:08
rm_youdependency magic on my side15:08
zapaha, that's because osso-software-unlocked conflicts with osso-software-version-rx?4 ?15:08
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zapaha, thats good15:09
rm_youzap: trust me, it works ;P15:09
zapwell it's kind of hard to test such a thing... its not easy to get back to osso-software-rx44 once you installed the unlocked version15:10
rm_youlcuk_work: so what do you think? 420kb?15:10
rm_youzap: yes it is15:10
rm_youzap: i did it like 5 times15:10
rm_youor more15:10
rm_youduring testing15:10
zapI know, but I accidentally did an apt-get upgrade after I unlocked it15:10
zapand got lot of new crap like libdb4 and such15:10
rm_youi have a folder with all the original debs15:10
rm_youi just do dpkg -i origdebs/*.deb15:10
zap:) I got it yesterday too, after figuring out the password15:10
rm_youits from Wargames :P15:11
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rm_youtotal win, Nokia :P15:11
rm_youthe password15:11
zaphmm I thought its from bible15:11
rm_youyou seen Wargames?15:11
rm_youzap: go watch Wargames immediately15:11
muzz2kWargames is an awesome film15:11
rm_youit's CLASSIC15:11
rm_youhow can you not have seen Wargames15:12
zapI watch only what I really want to watch :) say, 1 movie in half of year15:12
rm_youand you say you're interested in computers... pfft >_>15:12
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rm_younext thing you know you'll say you haven't seen Hackers :P15:12
zapsure I didn't... those hollywood movies about hackers mostly make me laugh... viruses coming into the computer from the power outlet and such15:12
* rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the eye15:13
zapand looking like a bulb moving inside the power cord...15:13
* rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the eye15:13
* rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the liver15:13
* rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the kidney15:13
* rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the spleen15:13
zapand 3D login screens, eek :)15:13
rm_youzap: yeah, the network file manager (telnet) visualization is AMAZINGLY LOL15:14
zapand falling green letters and digits, yes15:14
rm_youbut the movie is CLASSIC15:14
zapyou mean this kind of visualisation -> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl15:14
rm_youlol no15:15
rm_youlike crazy 3d insanity15:15
zapI don't really care if its classic or no :) but they're very far away from reality15:15
rm_youwith a camera that moves around the filesystem, which is big glowing towers of green text15:15
rm_youbut that's not the point15:16
rm_youin fact, that's part of the hilaritty15:16
zapit is15:16
rm_youit's high-lariou15:16
zapthe whole film, not just visualisation, is very far from reality15:16
JaffaWargames is very realistic in terms of its technology, no silly 3D flythroughs.15:16
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rm_youJaffa: seen hackers?15:16
zapmaybe, haven't seen it. I'm talking about hacker-films in general15:16
rm_youit's got Angelina Jolie as a hacker chick :P15:17
Jaffarm_you: when it came out, yeah. Don't remember being /that/ impressed...15:17
aquatixHackers rocks, but only for the movie, not for the weird 3D renders15:17
rm_youIt's hilarious15:18
rm_youaquatix: exactly15:18
aquatixhackers 2, takedown is more realistic15:18
rm_youoh god yes15:18
aquatixi like the soundtracks btw15:18
rm_youDRAMATIC STAREDOWN over an ssh session FTW15:18
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rm_youthat was *awesome*15:18
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rm_youzap: fine, just watch Takedown, it's basically Hackers2, except redone, not cheesy, and based on Kevin Mitnick15:19
aquatixbetter than a taperobotfight15:19
zap"the evil computer genius behind the virus" bwahahahah15:19
zapit's bullshit, sorry :)15:19
rm_youzap: yeah it's so super cheesy15:19
rm_youzap: it's basically cult classic, except for geeks :P15:19
rm_youzap: like rocky horror >_>15:19
rm_youso horrible, but people love it15:20
rm_youyou have to like laughing at cheesy stuff i guess :P15:20
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zapok, whatever, I would like to see your software-unlocked in extras15:20
zapnot that my vote counts for too much, but you have mine :)15:20
rm_youok, I can upload it, I just hope I don't get my extras account disabled for it ;P15:21
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zapwe can test Nokia how far in openness they're ready to go :)15:22
zapbesides, an account is just an account... you can open a new one ;-)15:22
rm_youX-Fade has to approve it :P15:22
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rm_youinterestingly though, you will only be able to Depend on it in diablo15:24
rm_youif you build chinook packages you cannot15:24
rm_yousince no such osso-software-version system exists15:24
jottswordfish is funny too in terms of "hacker" movies ... getting a bj while doing manual rsa decryption or so ;)15:27
JamieBennetthappens everyday ;)15:28
jottheh ;)15:28
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rm_youLOL yeah15:31
rm_youhalle berry topless is win tho >_>15:32
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rm_youalso, making a virus by forcing a cube together :P15:32
rm_youI love his monitor setup tho15:32
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rm_youpersonally, I like those movies BECAUSE I know exactly how ridiculous they are :)15:33
rm_youif they werent as ridiculous they would be good, but probably not AS good.15:33
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rm_youalmost as good as the anime Battle Programmer Shirase :P15:42
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rm_youthis anime is hilarious15:47
rm_youthis ep was LOL15:47
zaprm_you: of yes, that's another source of fun :( (chinook)15:48
rm_youI could make a chinook package of same title that does NOTHING15:48
zaprm_you: maybe it would make sense to create an empty osso-software-unlocked package, to avoid having separate rules?15:49
zapyes, exactly :)15:49
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lcuk_workis this all to do with including rotation?15:49
rm_youand others15:49
zapnot only15:49
rm_youit is a common problem15:49
zapbasically it's about replacing stock osso packages15:49
zapwhat's wrong about it?15:50
zapany decent linux distribution does that twice a week :)15:50
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lcuk_workisnt that a bit risky though?15:51
rm_youhe uses XWindows :P and terminals :P15:51
rm_you(battle programmer shirase and enemies) :P15:51
Tu13estrying to figure out some use for my n770 at work at my desk15:51
Tu13esclock maybe?15:51
zaplcuk_work: maemo-extras itself is as risky as replacing stock packages15:51
* Stskeeps dances15:51
Stskeepsi got network-manager working on debian :)15:51
* zap has NetworkManager working in Fedora since 200615:52
Stskeeps.. on the tablet15:52
rm_youdebian on NIT :P15:52
Stskeepsyeah, yeah, but i had to hack cx3110x.ko to make it suitable for NM :P15:52
Tu13escmon guys, i know you can think of something15:52
StskeepsTu13es: rss ticker?15:53
Tu13esI have google reader for rss15:53
Stskeeps(camera app open and viewing yourself)15:53
Tu13esthat would require a camera15:53
lcuk_workrss, handheld pron viewer, you can just whip it out when no1s looking15:53
Stskeepsah, true, 77015:53
lcuk_workTu13es even15:53
zapStskeeps: ah, debian on n8xx?15:53
Stskeepszap: yeah15:54
Stskeepsas in not the chroot stuff15:54
zapthat makes a bit of difference15:54
rm_yourss handhelp pornreader? rss porn? does this exist? :P15:54
rm_youif it doesn't, it needs to? :P15:54
Stskeepsrm_you: there's porn forums.. then there must be porn rss15:54
lcuk_workyer, the aggregator has sticky windows15:54
zapswitching between functions with voice15:55
Tu13esthere aren't many good clcok apps for the nxxx :(15:55
zapa popular app that would be15:55
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rm_youi think is good?15:55
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lcuk_worki leave liqbase starfield running which has clock :)15:55
zapTu13es: Mediaplayer has a large clock15:55
zapor how its called15:55
zapMedia... ummm...15:55
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Tu13esrm_you: will it work on os2006 or 2007?:15:56
rm_you2007 maybe...15:56
JaffaTu13es/zap: MediaBox15:56
rm_youthere is OS2008HE :)15:56
zapyes, thats it15:56
rm_youah i forgot about mediabox!15:56
JaffaVery nice media player15:56
rm_youi liked that app15:56
rm_youi should go back15:56
lcuk_workyou need bleeding edge software upgrades to view a .... clock?15:56
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Tu13es2008HE runs awefully on the n77015:56
zapMediaBox is the best media player for n8xx, although not perfect15:57
rm_youaww mediabox not in extras?15:57
Jaffazap: agreed on both points15:57
Jaffarm_you: err, I thought it was15:57
rm_youdiablo :/15:57
rm_youi switched off chinook extras a little bit ago to use pure diablo extras15:57
zapme too15:57
rm_youfigured it was time15:57
* lcuk_work still thinks diablo isnt quite stable enough15:57
* lcuk_work might install os2006 soon 15:58
zapwhat you call stable15:58
rm_youyea, but it is up to us developers to fix it :P15:58
rm_youso we had better adopt quickly! :)15:58
Jaffalcuk_work: only problem I've really had is bloody RSS feeds not updating15:58
* zap doesn't see any regress in diablo compared to chinook15:58
lcuk_workits the dev environment for me15:58
lcuk_workits been a pain setting it up and i dont wanna have double pain15:58
snowmoon-workI think *most* people saw some improvement in Dablo, but there are still a few edge cases that are much worse15:59
zapscratchbox? it installs quickly and easily15:59
lcuk_workon 810?15:59
* snowmoon-work runs and hides at the mention of scratchbox15:59
lcuk_workhow else can i compile while im at work?15:59
rm_youlcuk_work: if you did root on sd, it would be easy as you already have ext :P15:59
zapdeveloping on n8xx is kind of BDSM15:59
rm_youlcuk_work: ssh to your buildbox15:59
zaplcuk_work: you don't have computers at your work?15:59
snowmoon-workzap: BDSM or just M?16:00
rm_youlcuk_work: my buildbox with scratchbox is in another state :P16:00
zapsnowmoon-work: not sure yet... have to see how it actually occurs16:00
lcuk_workzap, not at all :) liqbase is very modular so compilatiuon is quick - even when i need to do a full rebuild, its only about 60seconds16:00
rm_youi dev from windows, linux, tablet, whatever computer i want, dont have to set up svn, scratchbox, anything16:00
rm_youjust ssh into my build server16:00
lcuk_workzap, yes but not when im downstairs havin a smoke16:00
zapyou're a smoked developer?16:01
lcuk_workwho presses the power button after it goes off?16:01
rm_youlcuk_work: why would it go off?16:01
rm_youlcuk_work: i'd have to call someone >_> but it wouldn't go off16:01
lcuk_worknever say never16:01
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zaplcuk_work: get the wimax edition and work via ssh then :)16:01
rm_youit wouldn't unless *it* physically caught fire16:01
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rm_youthe building it is in is on UPS and generators16:02
rm_youin case power goes out16:02
lcuk_workhas your machine got perfect uptime then?16:02
rm_younever once been shut off since i turned it on16:02
rm_youIE, installed ubuntu16:02
lcuk_workcool then :) what do you use for editing16:03
rm_yousame as on my home linux box, n800, and in windows16:03
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Jaffarm_you: vim 7's now in diablo extras-devel btw. Will promote it to extras when I integrate a menu shortcut16:04
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rm_youJaffa: sweet16:04
zapvim doesn't follow the "principle of least surprise"16:04
rm_youi forget whose repo i had to install for that...16:04
rm_youzap: ?16:04
zapevery key combination in it is a surprise to me16:04
rm_youi know what almost every key does16:04
Jaffarm_you: vim's one of my test beds for mud :-)16:04
rm_youstill a few that surprise me periodically :P16:04
rm_youbeen using vim full-time for text editing for... 8 years16:05
rm_youi just realized how long that is16:05
snowmoon-workJaffa: I'm still new to debian, .deb has no way to include by reference for a package?  I only ask because this is something dirt simple to do with rpm16:05
ccookerm_you: Is that all? ;-)16:05
rm_youi'm only 21 >+>16:05
rm_youso since i was 1316:05
Jaffasnowmoon-work: what do you mean "include-by-reference"? Deb format had "this package depends on other-package-'foo'" long before RPM did.16:06
snowmoon-workrm_you: If you count line editing basic programs it been like... well how old are you16:06
rm_youlcuk_work: lol, was going to paste you the uptime, but it is very perplexing16:06
ccookeheh. I hadn't started playing with Linux back then. Well, I guess that's forgivable - it didn't run on my computer :-)16:06
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* lcuk_work is used to the finer things in life. like a mouse and syntax highlighting (maybe you have it?)16:07
snowmoon-workJaffa: No, take blah source and add these patches, compile and assemble.  The spec format does everything mud packages do16:07
rm_youccooke: linux since 7th grade i think... only became my desktop OS in highschool tho16:07
rm_youlcuk_work: vim has superb syntax highlighting16:08
rm_youlcuk_work: and mouse support in the terminal even, if you enable it16:08
rm_youuptime says it has been up for 1 day and 5 hours16:08
rm_youbut that is very wrong16:08
ccookethe first unix OS I played with was Xenix, running on a 486 and about 20 terminals. But that *was* running vi, of course...16:08
rm_yousince A) if it had gone down, it would not be ON right now16:08
rm_youB) I was USING it then16:08
lcuk_workmost likely not :) if its a shared server chances are it will be rebooted all the  time16:09
rm_youand have had this terminal open for the last 3 days16:09
rm_youlcuk_work: it isn't16:09
Jaffasnowmoon-work: I thought that was only just being suggested to being added to RPM now? I read about the VCS-checkout proposal in LWN yesterday. Agreed, that's partly what mud's for and deb can't do it AFAIK16:09
rm_youlcuk_work: and it's in a LOCKED room, by itself16:09
lardmanjott, lcuk_work: Is the input buffer unsigned char?16:09
rm_youI am the only one with root16:09
lcuk_worknaughty server!16:09
lcuk_workin the dungeon16:09
rm_youi am very confused16:09
rm_youlcuk_work: no, i have like, almost a private office in my computer science department :)16:10
Jaffasnowmoon-work: perhaps mud's pacakge format shouldn't be a directory containing patches, icons and an XML file ( but instead use SRPM ;-)16:10
lcuk_workmaybe it was eaten by a grue16:10
rm_youit couldn't have restarted tho.16:10
rm_youbecause I was USING IT16:10
rm_youDURING the time it says it was restarting16:10
lcuk_workyou are in a room.  there is a computer and a door infront16:10
snowmoon-workJaffa: 8-o16:10
rm_youand before. and after.16:10
lcuk_work> turn off computer16:10
lcuk_work"Sorry, rM_You is logged in16:10
lcuk_work> smash computer16:11
snowmoon-workJaffa: If I hadn't been working with RPM/RH based stuff for years now and I really can appreciate the way the src.rpm's and .spec files make life much easier16:12
lcuk_worki used to enjoy text adventures, ive been kinda spolit now be 3d graphics engines16:12
snowmoon-worker... yeah, more coffee16:12
rm_youyeah :/16:12
rm_yougod, i need to get up and go outside or SOMETHING16:12
lcuk_workmaybe i could make a text adventure based on unreal tourney (like the 3d ut thing)16:12
Jaffasnowmoon-work: ta for the pointer, I'll look at them in more depth - if nothing else, could help with inspiration; but anything which means less coding's going to be a winner16:13
lcuk_work2d ut ^16:13
* snowmoon-work *nods*16:13
lardmanrm_you: if you're in an office with not many people around, why are you talking here and not playing UT or Doom or something?16:13
rm_youmy schedule for the past week and a half or so has been Wake Up -> Eat -> Work on Maemo stuff -> Chat -> Eat -> More work -> Sleep16:13
lardman:) sounds ideal16:13
rm_youlardman: i'm at HOME and that is what i do, lol16:13
rm_youMaemo, eat, sleep16:14
rm_youit is becoming sad tho <_<16:14
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summatusmentislardman: d'you mind if I ask you a question regarding kernel stuff(non-maemo related)?16:17
lardmansure, I can try to answer16:19
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summatusmentishow does syscall work? :)16:20
lardmanI can't tell you off the top of my head I'm afraid16:21
summatusmentisalright, I'll ask my mentor16:21
summatusmentis(summer of code project, in case you were wondering)16:21
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Stskeepsas in OS system calls? wikipedia has a nice article that is pretty straight to the point :P16:22
lardmanI assumed that from the mentor bit :)16:22
lardmanGoogle should know though16:22
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summatusmentisStskeeps: my understanding is that syscall(a function provided by glibc) allows you to make OS system calls.16:24
Stskeepsaye, it's just a wrapper around some assembly causing the trap into the kernel :P16:25
lophytemorning all16:25
lardmanwith a big list of special numbers which map to certain fns16:25
lophyteheh... Stskeeps as in the unrealircd guy?16:25
Stskeepslophyte: .. maybe16:26
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summatusmentisStskeeps: right. ok, so then I really need to talk to my mentor16:26
Stskeepssummatusmentis: what's your SoC project about again?16:27
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snowmoon-workpyinotity... sweet, it's already in extras.  one more step to conquering the world16:27
summatusmentisStskeeps: implementing AFS pioctl() calls into the kAFS(in-kernel AFS) client implementation16:28
lophyteStskeeps: no worries, just curious16:29
Stskeepslophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets16:29
lophyteahh, you don't work on it anymore?16:29
Stskeepsi'm there but i don't code that much, i support occasionally16:30
Stskeepsthe free time i have is used for reading for studies, working and coding some for NIT-Debian16:30
lophytecool.. I've been running unreal for years16:30
* lcuk_work wonders what this "freetime" you speak of is16:30
lophytehaha, yeah.. foreign concept lcuk16:31
Stskeepslcuk_work: it's like the idle loop of humans16:31
* lophyte doesn't have any idle loops16:31
Stskeepsand i try to avoid being idle16:31
lcuk_workunrealircd?  can i get UT99 for linux?16:31
rm_youlcuk_work: actually yes :P16:32
lcuk_workand hence, when we get pvr, can i get UT99 for maemo?16:32
lophyteunfortunately my hobby became my career.. so I rarely do any leisure coding any more :\16:32
* lcuk_work thinks that sounds good though16:32
lcuk_workyour leasure coding feeds you16:33
lcuk_workjust be sure you enjoy your hobby first16:33
Stskeepsi could technically be paid for the work i do with my tablet / debian, but then i would have to give copyright of the stuff i make for uni :P16:33
lophytetrue enough.. but I don't have full control over it16:33
lophyteie. I can't do maemo development and be paid for it ;)16:33
lcuk_workStskeeps, it would be better as gpl Stskeeps, you get credit, the uni get credit, everyone is happy16:34
lophytethough, I *am* working on some pretty cool stuff that might be GPL'd16:34
Stskeepslcuk_work: in any case, when it's my own stuff, it'd be bsd licensed :P16:34
lcuk_workfair enough you liberal land lubber16:35
lardmanhow can I do this?: int match[6]; match = {1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1};16:36
lardmanI know I should be able to initialise using the {}, but I want to change all the values at run time too16:37
lcuk_workint match[6] = {1,1,1,1,1,1};16:37
lophyteis that in C?16:37
lophytehuh, I didn't know you could do that in C16:37
lophytethen again I haven't touched C in a *long* time16:38
Stskeepsprolly in some wacked gcc-specific extension16:38
lophyte<-- python coder16:38
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lardmanno, in my C book (so <=C99)16:38
rm_youerk? that's how I always set up arrays in C >_>16:38
rm_youis it wrong? <_<16:38
Stskeepssame here, these days.. i just got fed up with all the loopholes you have to go through with C/Java, instead of code that actually does what you mean16:38
Stskeepsi can code both quite well (c/java/etc) but when i prototype stuff, python is just nicer ;)16:39
lardmanso there's no way of changing the values of an entire array in one line, unless you're initialising it?16:39
lardmanmemcpy would require that I have the data elsewhere16:39
Stskeepsnot beyond making a function to do it16:39
rm_youlardman: if you're changing EVERY value, can't you just... delete it and replace it or something like that?16:40
lophyteI never got into C/Java for that reason16:40
lophyteyou had so many other considerations outside of making the program do what you want16:40
lardmanrm_you: yeah, perhaps16:40
lophyte< Stskeeps> lophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets16:41
* lophyte kicks irssi16:41
* Jaffa doesn't agree that Python magically lifts any of those other concerns apart from development, compared with Java.16:41
rm_youJava is ridiculously easy compared to C imo <_<16:41
rm_youI still suck at C comparatively16:42
rm_youbut Python > all :P16:42
lophyteI did a bit of Java, but not much16:42
rm_youJava is what I use in programming competitions :P16:42
JaffaHaving any of the 3 great Java IDEs (although I personally prefer Eclipse) spoils you for languages like Python ;-)16:43
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lophytethe PyDev extension for Eclipse is pretty awesome16:43
rm_youJaffa: how does VIM spoil you for Python?16:43
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lophytethough.. I use VIM more often than not16:44
rm_youyou probably weren't considering that an IDE, lol16:44
Jaffarm_you: not really - refactoring tools, instant compilation, inline warnings & errors, quick navigation features tend not to exist very well in "plain" text editors.16:44
rm_youI compile and test my programs from inside VIM anyway, so i consider it my IDE :P16:45
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lophytetime to get down to work I suppose16:48
lophyte< lophyte> err16:49
lophyteI swear irssi randomly pastes...16:49
Stskeepsyour irssi is gaining a brain16:49
lardmanschool-boy C question, can arrays be sized by non-static variables?16:51
rm_youlol yes16:52
rm_youbut they won't change from the time you define them :P16:52
lardmanI wonder what language doesn't allow that16:52
rm_youand you better make sure that value gets calculated properly :P16:52
lardmanrm_you: no, of course :)16:52
rm_youor else the ARRAY INDEX OUT OF BOUNDS monster will eat your flesh16:53
lardmanhmm, so I could define an array like so: int some_array[some_integer_argument]; ?16:54
rm_youit just takes an INT >_>16:54
lardmanhmm, still doesn't like me16:55
rm_youwhat does it say?16:56
lardman error: subscripted value is neither array nor pointer16:56
rm_youthat's random16:56
lardmanah, my mistake, +1 inside bracket16:56
lardmanstate[length(state+1)] = state[i]; => state[length(state)+1] = state[i];16:57
rm_youwell i would have expected that to work actually16:57
lardman#define length(a) a[0]16:57
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rm_youOh, i was looking at the wrong thing16:58
rm_youyou said bracket :P16:58
lardman() = brackets?16:59
rm_you[] = brackets16:59
rm_you{} = braces :P16:59
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summatusmentis<> = ?16:59
lardmanhmm, not in my "never done any comp-sci courses" world16:59
rm_you<> angle braces16:59
rm_you{} curly braces16:59
summatusmentisangle braces? I've always called <> pointy brackets and {} curly brackets17:00
lcuk_work[square brackets]    (brackets)    {curly brackets}    <html>17:00
rm_youlol that is also acceptable17:00
mgedmin<angle brackets>17:00
wndor (round brackets)17:00
rm_youbrackets is prolly fine for all three17:00
rm_you() are definitely parens :P17:01
mgedminI'd understand "brackets" with no qualifier to mean []17:01
lcuk_worknow ->>>>    #       sharp?   poun d?    octothorp?17:01
rm_youif i said braces, would you think {} ?17:01
mgedminrm_you: yes17:01
rm_youhash bang bin bash :P17:01
[darkterror46]yellow :)17:01
lardman£ = Pound17:01
mgedmindon't forget slash17:01
rm_you#!/bin/bash :P17:01
mgedminhash bang slash bin slash bash17:01
rm_youlol but that isn't as catchy17:02
lardmanyou can tell it's Friday afternoon ;)17:02
mgedminwhere does "shebang" come from?17:02
summatusmentislcuk_work: # == number sign17:02
rm_youhash + bang i think17:02
lcuk_workhaych tee tee pee colon backslash slash dot dot org17:02
wndfyi, "parentheses MAINLY US   Show phonetics // plural noun (UK USUALLY (round) brackets)"17:02
rm_youjust slurring them together17:02
lardmannot much use that entry really17:03
rm_youwnd wins17:03
lardmanthat's better17:03
mgedmin[citation needed]17:04
lcuk_workshebang is more17:04
summatusmentis I spent too much17:04
rm_youtempting but still not17:05
mgedmin299 USD17:05
lophyteI spent $350 for my N800 six months ago17:05
rm_youlophyte: !??!17:05
lophytenine months ago now17:05
lophytelike last October/November17:05
rm_youlophyte: I spent $240 in july 200717:05
lcuk_worki paid over £300 for mine i think17:05
lardmanFloating point exception, not ideal17:05
lophyte240? damn!17:06
lcuk_workthats about 10billion dollars aint it?17:06
rm_youand it came with 2x 4G SD cards and a bluetooth keyboard17:06
lophytehow did you manage that17:06
rm_youITT :P17:06
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lophyteI bought mine from Dell, it was $320 I think, plus taxes and such17:07
lophyteonly because I wanted the financing... I was self-employed at the time and didn't want to drop $350'ish all at once17:07
lcuk_worklardman :( floats are tough - i know you consider my method overkill, but it cleanly identifies the guardbars - if you recognise 3 guards you can then take those and use your calc on thesection in between to give actual stuff?17:07
lophyteI considered selling my n800 for an n81017:08
lophytecomplete with USB thumb keyboard and BT GPS17:08
lcuk_worki considered selling my children for a sports car, but thought i would get in trouble17:08
summatusmentisis the n800 the same size as the n810 ?17:08
lophytelcuk_work: hah17:08
lcuk_worki mean, i could find out the car is an insurance writeof17:08
johnxsummatusmentis, a little bigger17:08
summatusmentisjohnx: ah, ok17:08
lardmanlcuk_work: that's fair enough, I'm just going to test my code and see if it works (though it has an fp exception, despite not using fp anyway)17:09
rm_youah nm it was $325 :( so i didn't actually beat you by much (well, besides the extras) but that was with shipping to japan :P17:09
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lardmanlcuk_work: sure17:09
lcuk_workyou certainly were earlier17:09
rm_youjust looked up the thread :P17:09
lophyterm_you: still, that's a great price17:09
rm_youlol, some random guy17:10
lcuk_worki wonder if jott knows how to draw onto the gtk surface with the camera data17:10
* lcuk_work will draw glasses on the recognised eyes17:10
rm_youwill installing "adduser" on the tablet make things EXPLODE?17:11
rm_youjust curious :P17:11
lcuk_worklard - interesting thing: i got it recognising my fingers as guard bars last night17:11
lcuk_workspread out it found them17:11
rm_youi want locate support, and mlocate pulls in adduser17:11
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rm_yougah... running updatedb on tablet >_>17:13
* lcuk_work might remove the screen aspect of the camera and just get raw data: liqbase could them help me17:13
rm_youoh wow that was actually quick :P17:13
lardmanI don't seem to be able to divide one int by another17:13
lcuk_workwhats the line of code17:13
lardmanah, divide by zero error17:14
lcuk_workno, which code are you on?  you have older svn, and something else from this morning that i havent got a link to anymore17:14
lardmansvn is up to date17:14
lcuk_workin simon17:15
lcuk_work:) gotcha,  eugh this computer isnt configured well17:16
lcuk_workits opening up the code in visual studio .shit 200517:16
* lcuk_work shudders and waits half an hour17:16
lcuk_workwhats "fprintf(stderr, "Length of unit = %d\n", unit_length);" coming out as..17:18
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mgedminwhy does mlocate want adduser?17:19
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lophyteprobably needs to add a 'locate' user17:19
lophytefor the updatedb cronjob17:19
lardmanlcuk_work: 0, hence the divide by 0 error17:19
mgedminah, /usr/bin/mlocate is sgid to the mlocate group17:20
johnxmgedmin, sounds like a good time to refactor the posinst script. I did the same thing with crond...17:20
mgedminjohnx: go for it! :-)17:20
* johnx prefers find17:20
johnxespecially on flash mem17:20
johnxsuper fast17:20
rm_youfind started annoying me17:20
rm_youi missed locate17:20
lcuk_worklardman, should you be dividing by the min and not the range ?17:20
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rm_youanyways, checking out flash 10 beta on n800 :P lol17:21
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lcuk_work(data[x]-min)/range     should give 0..1 value for where in the range the data is17:21
mgedminfind is not super fast17:21
rm_youfind is horridly slow for my tastes still17:21
rm_youlocate = nearly instant17:21
lcuk_workdoes locate need a db though?17:21
mgedmin14 seconds17:22
mgedminthat's not fast17:22
lardmanlcuk_work: the divide by min is part of the code which tries to overcome slight innacuracies in the sizes of the white and black bands17:22
rm_youneeds to do updatedb once a week or so when i am asleep :P17:22
lcuk_worki dont mind waiting for random searches - it feels like its working and doing its job and as long as it works properly it wont miss stuff17:22
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lcuk_workahhhh lardman :) but the low/up bound are to do with contrast and not scale?17:24
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lcuk_workahhh, this is your len array (like my hillvalleys)17:25
lardmanthat code is looking at the lengths of the black and white regions, and wants to find the shortest region to use that as a basis for a single bar17:26
lcuk_workits doing that: the shortest is 0 ;)17:26
lardmanI know17:26
lardmannot sure it's calculating it correctly in that case though17:26
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lcuk_workits complexities like this that made me decide to simply use the current span (black or white) and compare the width of its neighbours against itsself17:28
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lcuk_workit doesnt matter if i start with one thats 1 pixel or 100 - as long as the adjacent steps are likewise then its a match17:28
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lardmanlcuk_work: the code works in MATLAB, the problem is my conversion to C :)17:29
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lcuk_workshame you cant run matlab code natively :)17:29
lardmanyou can, but it's slow17:29
* lcuk_work might start randomly sending a webspider around GIS for barcodes and seeing how many he can match17:30
lardmanlcuk_work: join the project and stick some code in17:30
lcuk_workwell ill carry on building this base scan i started yesterday and see what i manage with it: i had a major problem last night with getting the makefile to include it and compiled17:31
lcuk_worki ended up just doing #include "liqscan.c" in the original c source17:31
lardmanIt would be good to see it in action, I'm just trying to convert this code to see how well it works17:32
lcuk_workok, ill discuss with jott later and ask more in here later (when i can test and make notes)  about writing onto the camera preview screen.17:33
lcuk_worki really need to see what im detecting as guardbars because for all i know i might be picking up snow17:33
summatusmentislardman: how do I get a filename pointer, so I can pass it to the kernel?17:33
lcuk_workalthough the preview seems to show its not17:33
lardmansummatusmentis: no idea, but probably just a char array17:33
lardmanaargh, spent all this time debugging a segfault and it's in the maemo-barcode.c file somewhere17:34
lardmanjott: does the code work as is?17:34
lcuk_workhas that been updated since last night?17:34
lcuk_workit did at v7 yesterday17:34
lcuk_worklots of warnings though17:35
lardmanhmm, let me check what I've done to it17:35
lardmanyeah, saw those17:35
lcuk_worki did a svn revert17:35
lardmanthey are for the code I commented out at the bottom I think17:35
lcuk_workbut dont you17:35
lcuk_worklardman, im actually surprised i got this compiling on my 810 - i think i am now at about 99% capacity17:38
lcuk_worki couldnt even do "apt-get install wafer-mint"17:38
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rm_youlcuk_work: root on SD :P17:39
Tu13esbleh, neither daliclock or mediabox will work on my n770 running os2008he17:39
lcuk_workim going to.  i plan on purchasing a nice big memory card and then asking some nice soul at the summit to help guide me through it face to face :)17:39
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lardmanlcuk_work: how does one pull a specific version then?17:41
lcuk_worki dunno, last night it was v7, you have pushed a few since then17:41
lcuk_worksvn help revert17:42
lcuk_workyou can specify individual files/folders and hopefully a version17:42
lardmanI'm not sure I've pushed anything to do with maemo-barcode.c though17:42
lcuk_workthen dont revert17:42
lcuk_workif jott were here now, he would say "<jott>  git will allow branching like this"17:43
lardmancome on Garage!17:43
lcuk_workjust backup to somewhere else and grab a revision from the web interface17:43
rm_youlardman: or copy your file elsewhere, revert, update, make a diff, and mess with the diff manually, then apply to SVN17:43
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lardmanyeah, I've not touched maemo-barcode.c, I'll pull the original and see if it runs17:44
voli'm trying to define keyboard shortcuts for osso-xterm, but it does not seem to work. Can someone help me out, please?17:44
lcuk_workyer, the barcode is v617:44
lcuk_workthat garage page is best way to view cvs :)  it gives info as expected17:45
lardmanok, well that works17:46
lardmantime to work out how I broke it with 4 lines of code17:46
volalternately, if someone can tell me where the shortcuts are kept loca;ly, that wpuld help17:46
lcuk_workill bb later17:47
qwerty12vol: . The shortcuts are stored in gconf.17:47
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volqwerty12: ok. i looked there. i think i am using the wrong format.17:48
volwhere is gconf locared? sorry17:48
aquatixlardman, little question about your dsp-tremor: how complete is it and how do i install it?17:49
lardmanaquatix: it's not complete17:49
aquatixas dsp-enabled ogg playback sounds great17:49
lardmanany help welcome of course ;)17:49
aquatixwhat has to be done yet?17:50
lardmanthe iDCT fns need to be converted to use 16bit chars, there's also apparently some memory corruption in one of the buffers17:50
voloops, i'mdumb.17:51
lardmanwhich means that the vorbis stream is not recognised as it should be17:51
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voli did not realize that <ctrl> was literal17:51
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lardmanI'm half way through removing the slab allocation code and going back to using malloc()17:51
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lardmanaquatix: have a look at the mailing list for the project, it summarises the current position (to help me remember mainly)17:53
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aquatixlardman: ah, k17:55
lardmanI will crack on with it in August17:56
lardmanbut low motivation as I don't use OGGs17:56
aquatixget some ;)17:56
lardmanplus debugging memory errors on the DSP is a pita17:56
aquatixnot sure how much time i have, but i *might* take a look at it17:57
lardmanit's involved17:57
lardmanbut converting fns is pretty simple17:57
aquatixi'm not that good in debugging C memory stuff :P17:57
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rm_youit was mainly dealing with the DSP toolchain that scared me away from helping with SBC18:00
Tu13escan I flash in Windows?18:01
Tu13esor do I need OS X/linux?18:01
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rm_youTu13es: any18:02
lardmanrm_you: toolchain is quite painless, promise18:02
rm_youhave to re-port Midori from Bundyo's patches18:02
rm_youalong with compiling webkit and libxslt >_>18:03
lardmanrm_you and others, looking at & converting code is of use too18:03
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* mgedmin_ accidentally pressed Fn+F1218:04
* lardman hates segfaults18:04
* qwerty12 hates both18:04
mgedmin_and OF COURSE I had upgraded my kernel and not rebooted18:04
mgedmin_so the hibernation SILENTLY FAILS on resume, giving me a fresh new session18:04
* rm_you hates that detective guy on Law and Order: Criminal Intent, you know, that one that is a total prick18:04
* qwerty12 done that too18:04
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mgedmin_and there's no WARNING, no CONFIRMATION, and no way to CANCEL an accidental hibernation18:05
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dougtis there a way to determine programmatically what your desktop entry name is?18:06
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hrwdougt: 'desktop entry name'?18:06
dougtin a deb, there is a desktop file.18:06
rm_youdougt: you're the one naming it...18:06
rm_youdougt: name it whatever you want18:06
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rm_youand then programmatically remember? :P18:07
dougtat runtime, how do I get the value18:07
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lcuk_workdougt, call it adv_backlight just to pee rm_you off18:07
rm_youerr... why18:07
lcuk_work<rm_you> dougt: name it whatever you want18:07
rm_youi dont understand when that would be relevent18:07
lcuk_workits up to him  :P18:07
rm_younot you, lcuk :P18:07
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rm_youstill talking exclusively to him :P18:07
rm_youwhy do you need to do it at runtime? when would that ever be necessary?18:08
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rm_youYOU name the desktop file whatever you want... do just type the name you chose into the code18:08
dougtso, we have an library that is passed the application name from a text file.18:08
dougtfrom the library, we call osso_init()18:08
dougtit would probably be a good idea if these two values matched18:08
lcuk_workdougt, is it the principle binary which loads your library and calls the function?18:10
lardmansee if you can spot the segfault cause18:10
dougtlcuk_work: no.18:10
dougtit is the library does does everything.18:10
rm_yougrep "Name=FBReader" /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'18:10
lcuk_worki cant build or compile, is it getting  far enough to show the preview18:10
dougtjust looking for a way to notify the developer that something is wrong.18:10
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rm_yougrep "Name="$appname /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'18:11
dougtright now, we just have documentation:  make sure that your name in application.ini matches your desktop entry file.18:11
dougt(well, i need to write above said documentation...)18:11
rm_youdougt: get that?18:11
rm_youdougt: or use similar logic inside your program18:11
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dougtyeah, calling awk seems wrong from a library.18:11
dougti see.18:12
rm_younot if it is bash :P18:12
lardmanlcuk_work: it displays the message "Failed", so it's returned from the Simon_1D code, but then segfaults18:12
lcuk_workahhhh - "desktop entry file" being the actual desktop information file used to say this app==thisbinary==thisicon that is run when the user clicks on the thing from the menu18:12
rm_youdougt: get list of files in the directory "/usr/share/applications/hildon/", open them all, grab the line that starts with "Name=", compare the following string, math or else go to next file18:13
rm_youerr, open one by one, not open them all18:13
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rm_youwhile (!matches(filename,app_name))18:13
* qwerty12 thought osso_init which was provided by libosso requires that the dbus service name is the same otherwise the system kills it after 15 seconds?18:13
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lcuk_workpixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data whats this used for lardman18:14
lcuk_workit was commented out last night wasnt it18:14
rm_youtaking the camera image and putting it in a pixbuf prolly? :P18:14
lcuk_workno, thats done automatically18:14
lcuk_worktheres a tee bar and the data is split into image/screen branches automagically18:15
lcuk_workthis is at the end of using it for the image component, nothing to do with the screen18:15
lcuk_workor it wasnt last night anyway18:15
lardmanlcuk_work: no idea, not mine18:15
lcuk_workits ok, its commented still18:16
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lcuk_workcrappeh none ide editor :)18:16
rm_youlcuk_work: try VIM :P18:16
lcuk_workwho allocates  the EAN data18:16
lardmanlcuk_work: it's done in the 1D code18:17
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lardmanallocates, ah, that's in maemo-barcode.c18:17
rm_youwoah: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory18:17
mgedminrm_you: ignore18:17
mgedminharmless warning18:17
rm_youi was going to, after being astounded that part of dpkg is missing ;P18:17
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mgedmindpkg-preconfigure is an user-interface optimisation18:18
mgedminit presents you with questions all at once instead of spreading them through the whole install/upgrade process18:18
mgedminif it's not available, you'll get those debconf questions later18:18
rm_youah ok18:18
mgedminassuming there are any debconf questions18:18
mgedminstill, would be nice if scratchbox/maemo sdk were fixed not to omit that scary warning18:18
rm_yougod damnit i have Vincent D'Onofrio soooo much18:18
rm_youjust leaving his imdb page open and glancing at it made me ANGRY18:19
mgedmin's  he18:19
lcuk_worklardman, check to see if it gets outside of the if(!analyse_image(data_photo, appdata))18:19
lcuk_work block18:19
rm_youthe main detective in Law and Order: Criminal Intent18:19
lcuk_workand lardman - do you print "failed" yourself within simon.c module?18:20
lardmanno, the failed is from analyse_image()18:20
lcuk_workthen since theres nothing else inside that function after printing failed, move back to see what calls it and print something else18:21
lcuk_worki have to go though, ill b back later18:21
lardmanbut it I comment out the call to GetBarCodeData(), it works18:22
lardmanand set ret=0 of course18:22
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rm_youmaybe i should check out your SVN and help debug :P am bored and annoyed with webkit18:26
lardmanhopefully am nearly there, looks like the segfault happens on the second run through18:27
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rm_youdamn this dh_install18:28
lardmanbut do feel free by all means18:28
rm_youdh_install: python-libxslt1 missing files (usr/lib/python*/site-packages/*.py*), aborting18:28
rm_younot telling me WHAT its missing18:28
rm_youonly warnings above18:28
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budmangHey guys, anyone else having issuses with diablo and the email client?18:29
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budmangIm on a sd card boot (8gb) and its tellng me to free up space.18:30
lardmanI've still yet to see any C code that does this: int a=10; int b[a];18:32
budmangIts the only application that errors on update18:32
wndlardman, I haven't seen anything like that before either18:32
lardmanwnd: I'm just trying to work out if that's my problem18:33
lardmanwnd: I suppose I could just malloc and see18:33
mgedminlardman: that's advanced C99 stuff, and it's only been what, 9 years since it became valid C?18:33
mgedminhow can any compiler support it after only 9 years?18:33
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lardmanas long as it's supposed to be supported?18:34
* mgedmin is not sure18:36
lardmanmalloc it is18:36
lardmanseems to work first time through though18:36
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rm_youAm I seriously the only person to do code like that lardman?!18:37
wndbudmang, I doubt the email client uses internal or removable memory card. have you tried freeing up some disk space on the root-fs, that is, under "Audio Clips", "Documents", and other stuff listed right under the device (seen through file manager)?18:37
rm_youI thought that was common18:37
rm_youthat's how I learned in Java and C++18:37
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rm_youso I just assumed it worked in C too, and used it a lot18:37
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lardmanrm_you: yeah, but they are not C18:37
wndbudmang, I don't use the email client myself so I'm just guessing18:37
lardmanrm_you: but it works for you?18:37
rm_youI guess it comes from using Java/C++ first, and then not knowing better when I go back? >_>18:37
rm_youseems to? >_>18:38
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lardmanworks for me first time through too18:42
lardmannot sure if that's a difference18:42
rm_you... if it works it should work18:42
lardmanfirst time it's declared18:43
rm_youi will check out SVN and look18:43
rm_youwhat is the project name?18:43
sjenkinsoffline mode has disappeared from my power button menu. anyone know how to restore it?18:43
rm_youlardman: and the problem is?18:43
rm_youand you've isolated it to a function?18:44
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lardmanlooks like it comes from somewhere in my code, the second time it's run18:44
churlin maemo mapper, do the yahoo maps and google maps have a tendency to crash the program instantly?18:45
lardmanwhich is what confused me to begin with18:45
snowmoon-workInteresting... playing with pyinotify and the rss reader is dumping files in /tmp... I've never even configured it!18:45
snowmoon-workThat's a dumb default18:46
RST38hchurl: no18:46
rm_youlardman: err18:46
rm_youhow do i get it to do something18:46
rm_youbesides just show me camera :P18:47
churlRST38h: good to know18:47
rm_youand scroll xxxxxx18:47
lardmanyeah, you need the code I gave the url to earlier18:47
lardmanI didn';t want to push it as it's not working18:47
rm_youcan you generate a diff plz?18:48
rm_yousvn diff -rhead18:48
lardmannot easily18:48
lardmanah ok18:48
rm_yousvn diff -rhead myfile.c > patch.diff18:48
rm_youuseful for all involved18:48
RST38heven ones without svn? =)18:49
rm_youyes :)18:49
rm_younot to people without web browsers i guess18:49
pupnikthe camera can read barcodes?18:50
* RST38h is a poor guy without web browser18:50
rm_youpupnik: soon maybe :P18:50
rm_youRST38h: wget :P18:50
pupnikthat seems ambitious!18:50
lardman~lart Gnome for being crap18:50
* infobot hereby declares Gnome a troll for being crap18:50
rm_youpupnik: not too much :P18:50
rm_youpupnik: ambitious is QRcodes next week :P18:50
rm_youwhich if they get 1D working and I can port this objective C easily... could maybe happen? :P lol18:51
pupnikso this barcode software has been tested effective with other 640x480 cameras?18:51
rm_youpupnik: it works with cellphone cameras18:51
rm_youlike, ANY cellphone camera18:51
rm_youlardman: hrm...18:51
rm_youcompile error18:51
rm_you/var/tmp/ccYB908i.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData'18:52
pupnikum... how close can the N8x0 camera focus?18:52
rm_youpupnik: close enough18:52
rm_youpupnik: barely tho :P18:52
* pupnik is impressed at the audacious project18:52
lardmanrm_you: yeah, you need to include the Simon_1D.c file18:52
rm_youaiming it at the barcode is *@(#&(!@#^ tho18:52
lardmanthat's what /me is saying atm18:53
pupnikyeah probly easier with the n800 than n81018:53
lardmanfscking barcode sw18:53
* pupnik will let you get back to productive18:53
* snowmoon-work wonders why the Hildon file section dialog is not maximized?18:54
johnxsnowmoon-work, I wonder that too18:55
rm_youlardman: same error?18:55
snowmoon-workseems like a huge waste of space and scrolling effort18:55
lardmanhmm, I bet it's an array index being negative or something like that18:55
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rm_younm got it18:56
rm_younow different error :P18:56
jobuanyone anyone work with pyqt on maemo/nokia n8x0?18:56
lardmanlong1 = -1116409433, long2 = 118:56
lardmanhmm, not ideal18:56
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rm_you /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':abi-note.S:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `main'18:57
rm_youthis is the sort of headache SVN is supposed to prevent18:57
rm_youjust check it in18:57
rm_youand make a note "not working, use r(thisrev)-1"18:58
lardmanok, hang on18:58
rm_youwhat is .m?!18:59
rm_youthat is the same extension as on that Objective C stuff18:59
rm_you/var/tmp/ccpiHVfE.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData'19:00
rm_youon revision 2019:00
lardmanthe Makefile doesn't work19:00
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* lardman hasn't got round to fixing it yet19:00
rm_youwhat is the correct compilation stuff then19:00
rm_youi'll fix it19:00
rm_youwhat is the correct gcc line19:00
rm_youso i can see what it is doing wrong19:01
lardmanthe Simon_1D.c doesn't need any thing special to compile19:01
wizadamn modest...19:01
lardmanthe Makefile needs to be tweaked to compile that and maemo-barcode as .o, then link to an executable19:01
wizaI want my sent and draft folders on imap server19:01
lardmanatm it just tries to make an executable I think19:01
lcuk_workrm_you, same question as last night, just with a different .c file to include19:03
rm_youfixing it19:03
lcuk_workwhat was wrong with it lard?19:03
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lcuk_work~lart customers19:04
* infobot beats customers severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken19:04
lardmanrubbish in, rubbish out I think19:04
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* lcuk_work will find out how to draw onto the screen (or run with liqbase instead)19:05
summatusmentisdo we have any idea as to when n900 might be announced?19:05
lcuk_workwhats an n900?19:05
summatusmentispresumably the next NIT19:05
summatusmentis(after n810w)19:06
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lcuk_worknokia might surprise you and go for a completely different number19:06
summatusmentisok, that's possible. Do when have any idea as to when the next NIT might be announced? :-P19:06
johnxsummatusmentis, no hints from Nokia, but some people seem to think 4Q 2008 / 1Q 200919:06
summatusmentisjohnx: oh, ok19:06
lcuk_worknRazr   or nnn81019:06
summatusmentisI hope it's not nRazr19:07
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summatusmentisor nnn810 for that matter :)19:07
||cwthe n810 price just dropped, which implies sooner than later19:07
jobuif you google for it, you will see people predicting it would come out last month heh19:08
lcuk_worki guess some kind of massive get together of interested parties would seem like a logical time to make some sort of big announcement19:08
lcuk_worki dunno when thats gonna be though19:08
lardmanrm_you: I see the problem19:08
lardmanin my conversion from MATLAB->C19:08
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johnxalso, I think they'd be silly to announce a potential next-gen tablet before the n810we came out19:09
johnxbasically a sure way to Osbourne themselves...19:09
lcuk_workisnt it known for companies to possibly change direction and tact slightly, especially if necessary infrastructure for wireless networking isnt exactly spectacular19:10
johnxlcuk_work, yeah, i have been wondering about whether the n810we will see the light of day19:10
jobuanyone get pyqt working on diablo?19:10
jobuor any version of maemo for that matter19:11
johnxlcuk_work, I was sure we wouldn't see diablo until it was out, but here it is and no word of the n810we at all...19:11
* Jaffa did fanboishly wonder if the fremantle UI & Maemo vision keynotes at OSiM World & the summit would coincide with a surprise N900 with fremantle announcement; but it's too soon after diablo and the N810W's not out. So N900 before 4Q2008 is unimaginable really.19:12
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lcuk_workjaffa, wasnt 810 announced a couple of months  before hitting the shops.  arent paper launches the norm nowadays?19:20
lcuk_workback later19:20
* johnx sleeps19:20
Jaffalcuk_work: very true19:21
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JaffaN810 was announced October IIRC, on sale mid-December.19:21
* Jaffa wonders if GeneralAntilles' wikipedia pages mention announcement and first sale dates19:21
TheAlienhi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal?19:23
qwerty12Hmm, if I compiled an static binary using the standard DIABLO_ARMEL target, any chance of the binary working in initfs? :/19:24
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Jaffaqwerty12: should do, shouldn't it?19:25
Jaffamgedmin: and the certificate *still* hasn't been fixed.19:25
qwerty12Jaffa: Hopefully, I guess the only way is to try :).19:25
qwerty12~lart Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain.19:25
* infobot executes killall -HUP Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain.19:25
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mgedminSLOW IS DEAD19:27
rm_youprolly the best way to do it >_>19:27
rm_youdon't need the SRC line19:27
lardmanthanks :)19:28
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rm_youcrapload of warnings you got there :P19:28
mgedminrm_you: suggest replacing the '%:' pattern rule with '%.o: %.c'19:29
rm_youok so anyway, you thought you got it?19:30
rm_youmgedmin: yeah prolly19:30
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rm_youanyways, lardman: any progress?19:31
lardmanrm_you: yeah, looks like my conversion to C destroyed my logic19:31
lardmanI'm fixing with lots of fprintfs to help me along the way19:31
lardmanno idea why it managed a run through to begin with - lucky memory layout I guess19:32
lardmanfor the Makefile I get: mixed implicit and static pattern rules.  Stop. (line 31)19:33
lardmanthough the lines may be broken from the copy & paste19:33
rm_youuse tabs for everything19:34
rm_youjust go to the top and do19:34
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rm_youor, do you use VIM?19:34
lardmanno, gedit19:34
rm_youanyway, in VIM, gg=g reindents the entire file19:34
rm_youmakefiles use tabs as syntax19:35
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rm_yoube careful19:35
rm_youif i apply to the project i guess i could just checkin the makefile :P19:36
lardmanrm_you: yeah, I've done the tab replacement thing, but only visually from the slexy page19:36
rm_youwget -O Makefile19:37
rm_youack fsck that19:37
rm_youthe original :P19:37
lardmancool, thanks :)19:38
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TheAlienhiya, u guys reading me?19:40
lardmananother divide by zero error :S19:40
TheAlienhi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal? commentary like 'its impossible' also welcome19:40
smyowshello people :)19:40
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rm_youlardman: on n800, rotation support helps a lot with this19:41
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rm_youi can rotate the n800 screen 180 degrees and then turn it upside down so the barcode is face up for the camera :P19:42
lardmanah, I see19:42
rm_youand so moving the n800 makes the image move in a way that makes sense19:42
rm_youanyway, i get lots of called DoProfileDecode(); Failed; Left analyse_image()19:43
rm_youprolly cause the logic is broken :P19:43
TheAliencan someone at least confirm that you can see my text :P19:43
rm_youTheAlien: blah19:43
rm_youTheAlien: dunno about aircrack on 770 >_> which OS are you on?19:44
TheAlienso i found the log area of app manager, and tho airport-ng says it conflicts with installed software, the log shows the command to install the package but no errors or messages after it19:44
smyowsi ve installed openvpn on my n800 (os2008) but the vpn do not estabilish... the tun.ko module is not present on kernel of os2008?19:44
TheAlienos2006 latest19:44
rm_yousmyows: as root try "modprobe tun.ko"19:45
qwerty12rm_you: wouldn't work.19:45
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rm_youTheAlien: no idea... have you tried installing via xterm?19:45
rm_youqwerty12: lol, just a guess :P19:45
smyowsrm_you, yes, but is not present tun.ko19:45
lardmancool, got video to run now, I just need more error checking19:45
lardmanbeer first, then more coding :)19:45
rm_youcheckin ;P19:45
TheAlienrm_you: i havent. i assume id need root. and although i have becomeroot, you do sudo becomeroot, right? if i do that, im asked for a password. dont know what it could be. enter just drops me back to a prompt.19:46
qwerty12lardman: coding first, then more beer :P19:46
rm_youTheAlien: sudo gainroot19:46
JaffaTheAlien: "sudo gainroot"19:46
lardmanqwerty12: works better the other way round ;)19:46
rm_youlardman: svn ci -m "" && more beer19:46
Jaffarm_you: commits with no message: the work of Satan!19:46
smyowsanyone have openvpn installed and working?19:46
rm_youassuming he will insert one himself :P19:46
rm_youi dont know what to type for him19:47
lardman svn ci -m "gone to get beer, don't use this rev" ?19:47
qwerty12lardman: but it works better for us this way :p. nah, joking, I love the work you've been doing19:47
rm_yousure :P19:47
TheAlienjagga: hey it worked!19:47
TheAlienok im root now.19:47
churldoes there exsist a file manager for the n800 that's like "thundar" . anything with a nice gui ??19:47
rm_youchurl: like *thunar?19:47
churlit's the file manager i have in xfce19:48
rm_youi know theres a couple, dunno if any really have a decent UI yet19:48
rm_youyeah, was making sure thats what you meant19:48
rm_youhad a d in there :P19:48
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rm_youyay Zetx is back19:48
rm_youor Zet is, either way19:49
churlit's just that the default n800 one throws me for a loop,19:49
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qwerty12gst-plugins-bad-xvid better build for me :/19:50
rm_youlardman: checkin! >_<19:50
qwerty12motherfcukin package >.<. I only get the doc folder in the final deb >.<19:51
lardmanrm_you: done ;)19:51
smyowshow to compile a new kernel for os200819:52
rm_yousmyows: poke qwerty, watch kernel compile, retrieve compiled kernel from qwerty :P19:52
qwerty12Who's this qwerty guy?19:53
TheAliencan anyone quickly give me dpkg options to install smthing?19:53
qwerty12dpkg -i?19:53
qwerty12Ze mark of the devil is on my itt profile19:53
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ianf-hCan anyone recommend a good BT headset for the N81019:54
lardmanwell that's vaguely cool, lots of debugging output while the camera's on, the when I stick a barcode in front I get a divide by zero error ;)19:54
rm_youlol neat19:55
TheAlienit says that the package architecture (arm) doesnt match system (armel)19:55
rm_youmeans it is recognizing it? :P19:55
qwerty12Typical, the folders in debian/ have the right files inside but my final deb doesn't. I'm repacking, md5sums can pee off.19:56
rm_youTheAlien: where did you get the .deb19:56
rm_youarm and armel are different build targets19:56
Jaffalardman: Have you seen the OS X app "My Library" (or something like that). It was held up at JavaOne in one of the UI talks as an example of how a good UI can make people spend lots of money ($49 a copy, IIRC) for what's effectively a book/DVD/CD database. The one cool feature it had was using the web cam to read the barcode and go and retrieve details & cover image for the book/DVD/CD in question. Something like that on the tablet would be very cool :-)19:56
qwerty12TheAlien: Just out of question, you didn't grab that aircrack from a post by a guy named qwerty12 right? Or did you get from mulliner repo?19:57
Cptnodegardqwerty12, sorry but im too lazy to read throough the 28 page ITT thread: did you by any chance release an app that lets you rotate the screen without a bunch of configuring and tewaking? (saw someone say "thank qwerty12"19:57
lardmanJaffa: yes thanks, dneary pointed it out to me yesterday19:57
rm_youlardman: :( all i get is segfault or floating point exception instantly no matter wjay19:57
qwerty12Cptnodegard: I made debs of the rotation, you just have to install the debs and run flash-and-reboot.19:57
TheAlienrm_you: i got it from mulliner19:57
TheAliencould this work better?
Jaffalardman: cool :-)19:58
TheAlienor does someone know where the right one is?19:58
lardmanrm_you: I've probably added a few bits, will push again after this beer :)19:58
Jaffalardman: ah - "Delicious Library"19:58
Cptnodegardqwerty12 nice, thanks :D19:58
lardmanJaffa: that's the one19:58
lbtCptnodegard: just search the wiki for rotate...19:58
Jaffalardman: do you know where it gets the UPC -> product mapping?19:58
lbtsee what you get...19:58
qwerty12Cptnodegard: Hehe :). Make sure you use adv-backlight instead of sb-rotate-plugin19:59
qwerty12rm_you: I want my advertising fee :P19:59
lardmanJaffa: there are some websites such as
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lardmanone or the other iirc20:00
lardmanalso Amazon scraping, etc.20:00
TheAlienrm_you do you think the device would blow up if install the one from ?20:01
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rm_youTheAlien: it will not work20:01
rm_youTheAlien: you need to get someone to port it to maemo20:01
Jaffalardman: cool, ta.20:02
* qwerty12 isn't going through compiling aircrack-ng again :p. I had to get the cs2008 toolchain >.<20:02
TheAlieni can get aircrack-pwt to work, problem is it doesnt appear to have a capture portion. kismet is supposed to be out there for this thing too but i cant find it. any ideas?20:02
TheAlienthis is os2006 btw :)20:02
lardmanJaffa: if you're interested, please join and write some backend stuff20:02
lardmanJaffa: parsing the websites, etc20:03
* qwerty12 has a deb with all the aircrack-ng stuff (mulliner's one is stripped) but it contains N800 specific optimisations so it wouldn't work on 770 :/20:03
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TheAlienand nobody can suggest anything that will work on the 770? just to capture the packets?20:04
Jaffalardman: parsing websites is in my blood ( - so I'll try and have a look. Should probably prioritise other things above it first, though - like the mud changes planned.20:04
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lardmanJaffa: sure, would be good to have lots of people adding their specialisms - website parsing really isn't my thing20:05
TheAlienitd be sooo good to get this going, i live in a country that has monthly transfer limits so everyone locks their networks. im not evil i just want to be able to get my mail when im out ;P20:05
qwerty12TheAlien: - There is an newer one but from what I can tell, it's os2008 only.20:05
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lcuk_worklardman, has anyone attempt/ed come up with a way to draw on the surface or havent you looked yet20:05
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lardmanlcuk: I'm leaving that to you :)20:06
lcukalrighty i need to do it so i can see what im detecting, is latest in svn?20:06
Jaffalardman: what's the project URL?20:06
lardmanGarage -> maemo-barcode20:07
rm_youqwerty12: Cptnodegard:20:07
infobotit has been said that xrotation is wget && tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz && cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb && wget && fiasco-flasher -f -k zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation20:07
Jaffalardman: Doesn't the trademark policy prohibit that name?!20:07
lardmanno idea20:07
lardmanmaemo-mapper seems to get away with it20:08
Jaffamaemo-mapper predated the policy so has an exception.20:08
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lardmanwell, they can serve a writ and we'll change the name, no problem :)20:08
lcukshouldnt the naming policy be setout by the website though ;)20:08
qwerty12rm_you: nice :D, btw, ever gonna upload it to extras somehow? You are a better (a lot better) deb packager and I don't want my vip status as an extras maintainer taken away for uploading a package that kills n00bs' tablets :P20:08
JaffaAdmittedly, the Garage folks don't seem too strict in following the TM policy (I've seen other projects created which also use the 'Maemo' prefix)20:08
lcukie: you cannot name your project here20:08
lardmantacit acceptance as the project name was accepted... ;)20:09
rm_youqwerty12: working on "rotation-support" metapackage20:09
Jaffalardman: indeed :-)20:09
rm_youqwerty12: will work on that more tomorrow20:09
rm_youqwerty12: already have the xserver-xomap packages20:09
qwerty12Cool, great20:09
lcukanyway - it WILL be an offical package one day, so saving time now20:09
rm_youjust need a couple more things20:09
rm_youi am going to make it give a dialog with "Flash the kernel and reboot?" "Yes" "No"20:09
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* qwerty12 would personally prefer it if rebooting was left up to the user20:10
rm_youthats why we ask :P20:10
lcuklardman, who solved the makefile problem?20:10
rm_youlardman: still no new commit? :P20:11
overflokhi all20:11
lcuklol rm_you :P i said about the .o thing last night you told me it was wrong way20:11
* rm_you is on the edge of his seat20:11
rm_youlcuk: pft20:11
overflokI need a info20:11
rm_youlcuk: dare you to find logs :P20:11
overflokwhat can i use to debug symbyan dll20:11
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lcuk<rm_you> somewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c"20:11
lcuk<rm_you> and then tell it to compile $(CFILES)20:11
Italodance :D20:11
rm_youlcuk: lol20:11
lcukdont dare, i have a brutal scrollback and an amazing memory for things like that20:12
rm_youI was hoping you'd go to mg.pov.lt20:12
lardmanrm_you: all yours20:12
rm_youit is like.... BROKEN right now for searching20:12
rm_youtakes about 6 minutes for results20:12
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* qwerty12 searches for xvid files. Start in torrent directory?20:13
rm_youlardman: woo, yes, it did find it :P20:13
lardmanyes and no, there are some more20:14
lardmanit runs now though20:14
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, testvideo is
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qwerty12rm_you: thanks, a lot quicker to transfer than kidulthood :/20:14
rm_youI've started to abuse infobot for factoid storage :P20:14
rm_youfor example...20:15
infobotwell, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
qwerty12Modest are we?20:15
lardmanrm_you: hang on a tick for me to push again20:15
rm_youqwerty12: lol, what? :P just facts20:15
rm_youqwerty12: email, where i live, what i do :P20:15
lardmanthere you go20:15
* qwerty12 adds to spam list :P20:16
lcuklardman, still ends in error20:16
lardmanyep, but getting better :)20:16
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rm_youwoo found first and last :P20:17
infobotit has been said that qwerty12 is the maemo pimp. I whip my N800 when it misbehaves and watchdog doesn't beat me to it.20:17
rm_youtakes a while tho20:17
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lcukqwerty12 is the maemo pimplyfacedyouth20:18
rm_youlol, anyway... this is looking sweet20:19
qwerty12Rather that then still having me dodgy northerner accent :P20:19
fnordiansliphas he got an etherkiller?20:19
lcukhey, at least i got to get to leeenucks taaag20:19
lardmanoi you two!20:19
lcuksorry sir20:19
* lcuk nudges qwerty1220:20
fnordianslipi want an etherkiller20:20
rm_youlol... still hopeful for maemo summit but chances looking slim20:20
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* qwerty12 kicks lcuk20:20
rm_youmaybe if i had signed up earlier <_<20:20
lcukSIGN UP20:20
* qwerty12 kicks lardman for jokes20:20
rm_youthey skipped over my name in the list20:20
lcukdont dillydally20:20
rm_youlcuk: i did20:20
rm_youa while ago20:20
rm_you... everyone BEFORE me is accepted... but so are like 10 people after me20:21
rm_youso... <_<20:21
qwerty12rm_you: go and embarrass nokia about their retardness over providing the source to their applets20:21
* lardman throws a handy board rubber at qwerty1220:21
* qwerty12 dodges20:21
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rm_youmaybe i will get rich during the first month of school and be able to afford a $1000 weekend trip to Germany :P20:22
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qwerty12rm_you: go in someone's suitcase :P20:22
rm_youor put up a "Donate to send rm_you to Maemo Summit" button on my ITT post :P that isn't a sure way to get hated, lol20:23
qwerty12Make the adv-backlight install file redirect to an paypal page :P20:24
lcuknahhh, just update adv_backlight to keep making the backlight go out randomly until they feed the metre20:24
lcuk"Please insert 50p for more light"20:25
lcukit should work20:25
* qwerty12 is reminded of my old electricity meter again :P20:25
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rm_youoh, hey!20:26
lardmannice, it worked20:26
rm_youwith n800 screen rotated 180 degrees, the dpad and other buttons ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR GAMES! PWN!20:26
lardmanwell it said it did, the EAN looks somewhat suspect20:26
rm_youlardman: commit, i'll verify20:26
lcukso will i20:27
rm_youlcuk: me first! :P20:28
* rm_you races to verify20:28
lcukits fast enough for both of us now20:28
qwerty12For a format to be recognised in gstreamer, is installing the libs enough or do I have to write up an xml file too?20:28
rm_youlcuk: you would win, you compile on-device20:28
lardmanrm_you, lcuk: done20:28
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lcuktsk maemo-barcode.c:428: error: syntax error before '==' token20:29
lcukhow does this get through your compiler?20:29
lcukwell thats what its telling me20:29
lardmanhmm, no error here20:30
lcukit had 2 errors for rev23, and 1 for this latest 2420:30
rm_youcompiles here20:30
lcukmake clean and try again?20:30
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lardmanI have no == near that line either20:30
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lardmanyeah, EAN is not good20:30
lardmanSuccess !!!!!!!!!!!!, EAN =20:31
lardmanhmm ;)20:31
lcukyou have lines like this:20:31
lcuk<<<<<<< .mine20:31
lardmanwhat are you asking?20:32
lcukthose are in maemo-barcode.c20:32
lcuknot commented out20:32
lcuk    ret = GetBarCodeData(data, 240, 320, ean);20:32
lcuk>>>>>>> .r2220:32
lardmanno, not in my file, is that some SVN thing?20:33
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lardmanI need to check the logic for the code recognition, I converted it to integer only, this is probably causing problems20:33
lcuk:S gonna clean it out - theres a load of half files20:33
rm_youso i apparently lack any kind of ean20:34
rm_yougonna print one ;P20:34
lardmanrm_you: I had to wobble the barcode around until it got one20:34
lcuklardman, what happens if the scanning is mirrored - does it matter to the logic?20:36
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lardmanlcuk: that will break it20:37
lcukit should work but fail the signing check thing20:37
lardmanneed to check the spec actually, I seem to remember that the two sides are mirrored anyway20:37
lcuki think the camera gives a mirror image is why20:37
lardmanoh, ok20:38
lcukthe numbers read mirrored, you are working on inverted dataset20:38
lardmanmight be...20:38
lcukie if you are coding it and forcing it to work you might find mirroring the image will fix the problem rather than a codebug20:38
lardmannot, it's not inverted, though my logic for reading a line may be suspect if someone wants to take a look20:39
lcuki didnt notice last night because guardbars are invariant20:39
rm_youis this for EAN-13?20:39
lardmanthe leading int is the length20:39
Tu13eswhat repo is xterm in?20:39
lardmanI can remove that20:40
lcukit is inverted:  as in if you hold up something with writing it is backwards20:40
lcukpixel 0 top left is actually the top right of the image20:40
lardmanactually the leading int isn't output anyway20:40
lardmanah, ok20:40
lcuklet me see if i can cure that for you simply :)20:40
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rm_youlcuk: mine isnt20:41
rm_youlcuk: i hold up something with writing, i can read it20:41
lcukyou are using n800 forwards facing camera20:41
lardmanI'm using N81020:41
lcukbackwards facing camera20:41
lcukhmmm then - needs to handle both?20:41
lardmanyes, that needs to be done20:42
lcukit shouldnt matter lardman, once you find your array you can pass it into the check function twice?20:42
lcukonce forwards and once backwards?20:42
lardmanor decode on way then the other and see if it works?20:42
lardmanlcuk: yes20:42
rm_youlardman: or use this20:42
lcukthe more chances you give yourself to come out with something valid the better20:42
lcukill find out how/where to write to the screen20:43
lcukback in a bit20:43
lcukrm_you, it doesnt matter - YOU can use the camera backwards20:44
lcukon your 80020:44
rm_youi can?20:44
lcukrotate it towards you20:44
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lcukwe have to show the barcode to the screen - not hold the 810 in front of it20:45
rm_youlcuk: even if it is facing me20:45
rm_youi can read text20:45
lardmanthere's a file in the sysfs which says which way the camera is pointing20:45
madhavlcuk: Hi20:45
lcukhi madman20:46
madhav:) madman..?20:46
qwerty12_N800lcuk loves you really :p20:46
lcuklardman, just send it through twice then its usable for multiple devices without worrying - if at a later date you come to port it you wont have to wrry?20:46
madhavlcuk: u got the source for this one:
rm_youlcuk: even if it is facing me, the text is normal readable20:47
lardmanlcuk: ack20:47
lcukmadhav, i do20:47
rm_youlcuk: it doesnt change no matter what i do20:47
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lcukrm_you, it might be in the device driver for the camera then?20:47
madhavlcuk: can i get it?20:47
rm_youlcuk: maybe20:47
rm_youmadhav: it is in garage isn't it?20:47
rm_youlcuk: isn't it?20:47
lcukmadhav, have you tried the binary20:48
madhavim not sure..20:48
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madhavwhere in garaage.. got the link?20:48
lcuktheres no installer for it but its buildable on a standard system20:49
madhavlcuk: np, tk20:49
lcukmadhav, :) whats interested you about it20:49
qwerty12_N800ello RST38bis20:49
madhavlcuk: drawing20:49
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RST38biswhat's cooking?20:50
madhavlcuk: especially the pen stroke20:50
lcukgood :)  the youtube video doesnt do the sketch part justice - i was in powersave mode and it lagged20:50
lcukits MUCH better on actual fullspeed performance and keeps up with stylus20:50
rm_youlcuk: i wish I knew enough to implement PDF reading <_<20:51
* lcuk has done more with it since but not uploaded20:51
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lcukrm_you, :) i put image loading in now - i have cat pictures scrolling around20:51
rm_youwell, could do PDF -> jpeg for the time being20:52
rm_youas a proof of concept for reading pdfs20:52
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lcukyes, its possible as we said20:52
RST38bisi suggest dooing it right.20:53
lcukim having a nice long weekend on it after playing with barcode20:53
rm_youyeah, it is nice to take a break from your main project, eh? :P20:53
lcukRST38bis, i agree entirely - time is against me though.  i dont really wanna port the pdf scanner ive got and dont want to learn someone elses api right now20:53
lcukrm_you, time and needing to see a little bit about gtk and the camera20:54
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lcukive got goals for the summit (camera is one of them..) and if i sidetrack too far i will annoy myself20:54
rm_youcamera in liqbase? :P20:55
lcukwell its a damned good source of live YUV image data :)20:55
lcukand when i say "Hello, who are you" i want you to write your name and get a snapshot for logging in20:55
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* lcuk has lots of ideas for using everything20:56
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lcukthe mic is another one.  crashanddie is looking at that i think and im looking forward to seeing/hearing the results20:57
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lcukanyway, sidetracking20:57
lcukmadhav, hope the code isnt too bad for you to understand20:58
RST38bissonyeric slashes 2000 jobs20:58
RST38bispoor uiq...we hardly kneew you...20:58
vmlinuzI loaded 2008HE on my 770 and I left it on all day, then the batery started to get low, when I connected the power adaptor the screen went off and no indicator of batery being charged whatsoever20:58
vmlinuznow I try to boot the 770 and it shows the nokia logo, then shuts down again20:59
vmlinuzI removed the batery last night and just plugged in and connected the AC, no batery charge icon20:59
qwerty12_N800"Three Chinese reporters attending a police briefing on the success of an anti-gun campaign were accidentally shot."20:59
rm_youlardman: OH, EAN is a superset of UPC :) ok then, i guess i do have tons sitting around20:59
lcuklardman, does the makefile produce lots and lots of errors?20:59
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Atariirm_you back20:59
Atariiwant me to try 13-7?21:00
rm_youAtarii: yes21:00
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vmlinuzdoes anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I tried all the suggestion regarding removing battery, key strokes, leaving charging overnight... but no results21:01
GAN800Make sure th charger is actually working? :/21:02
rm_youGAN is back! :P21:02
Atariilies, it's just his thoughts manifesting onto IRC again21:02
GAN800Anybody else have horrible icon scaling on fiferboy's applets?21:03
vmlinuzGAN800, I'll take it to the lab and test it with a multimeter21:03
Atariii did yes21:03
Atariiall apart from the smallest icon size21:03
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lardmanlcuk: not sure about that21:04
lardmanlcuk: some linker errors?21:04
lardmanask rm_you ;)21:04
lcuklol yer21:04
lardmanRight, I've added in another check, so now the code should not crash21:04
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Atariirm_you: first thing I notice about 13-7 is a weird graphics bug, just rebooting to make sure it is still replicable21:04
lardmanI'm a bit concerned that we seem to get out lots of 3s in the partial EAN21:04
rm_youheh, LOTS of 3s :P21:05
rm_youlcuk: there are lots of linker WARNINGS21:05
rm_youshouldn't matter AFAIK21:05
lardmanI've just pushed my current code21:05
lcukit just gets in the way cos they scroll off the page21:05
lardmanI think what I need to do is look at the maths21:05
rm_youi don't know how we'd fix those, you can look into it :P21:06
lardmanmy conversion from fp->integer is probably suspect; would be lucky if it worked first time anwyay21:06
lcukok, will bring over the makefile formatting from liqbase and get it all compiling with it21:06
lardmanlcuk: are you going to join? Then you can push some updates, and create a branch to test with your hill/valley code too21:07
rm_youlcuk: is prolly just a simple flag... compare CFLAGS and the command lines to see what is missing21:07
rm_youAtarii: >21:08
rm_youAtarii: ?21:08
Atariirm_you: 13-7 does nothing for the brightness, and the volume has a gfx bug on the numbers value21:08
Atariieven with a restart and permissions set manually :s21:08
rm_youdescribe the graphics bug21:09
lcuklardman :) sure  lemme do this and ill do whats needed21:09
Atariiupon first opening the dialog, it will display the number '50' but the slider will be fully to the right21:10
lcukhow do we do branching, or will command line param do21:10
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lardmanlcuk: just add a branches dir and copy the source in there, then add it21:10
rm_youAtarii: oh, yes I see that right here21:10
Atariialso, if you go to the far left on the volume slider, and slowly move the slider right, the right-edge of the numbers is cut off21:10
GAN800Why does Modest thing the esc key should go go windowed mode before it closes an email window? We already HAVE a button for windowed mode!21:10
lardmanbetter to just add a different source file and modify the makefile to make some target21:10
lcuki dunno how to do that21:11
lcuki normally just add a menu item21:11
rm_youAtarii: THAT i am not seeing21:11
Atariiright, im downgrading and confirming the last "fully" working build21:12
lardmanlcuk: just rename the source file, "svn add" it21:12
lardmans/rename/copy to different name21:13
rm_youAtarii: did the 13-7 fix permissions on reboot correctly?21:13
lardmantime to cook21:13
lcukok, ive fixed the makefile btw21:13
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lcukrm_you, will you test this
jobuanyone get pyqt to work on maemo/nokia n8x0?21:14
Atariiwhats the best way to check permissions?21:14
madhavlcuk: which wiget programming lang u used..?21:15
lcukwidgets? as in user controls?21:15
GAN800You know, #630 makes me wonder how long we sat with some bugs just never even being looked at. . . .21:15
lcukand its cleaner rm_you21:15
rm_youstill tons of warnings with Simon's stuff :P21:15
lcukif you have access to svn push it21:15
rm_youdo not.21:16
lcukyes - this will make it easier to see21:16
lcukahhh right, ill do it in a bit then21:16
lcuklardman, the makefile works21:16
lcukand is simpler to add new items to21:16
madhavlcuk: wigets/buttons..21:16
rm_youwas just missing an LD line21:16
lcukhomemade madhav - i started the entire liqbase from a blank canvas21:16
lcukthe menus are technically just custom areas on the screen - a widget set is being created for handling all that kind of stuff though (its what all the graffiti is hosted in21:17
lcukim gonna let the user design their own interface btw :)21:17
madhavlcuk: great!21:17
rm_youlardman|cooking: more segfault21:18
derfrm_you: Pong.21:18
rm_youderf: ping21:18
derfrm_you: Pong.21:18
rm_youderf: ping21:18
rm_youderf:  <--- QR decoder in Objective C21:19
derfWhoa, sweet.21:19
RST38bisobjc. umgh.21:19
derfRST38bis: It's not Java, at least.21:20
rm_youbetter to port from than JAVA prolly21:20
rm_youderf: i was gonna take a crack at porting that21:20
derfrm_you: Does it have the same bugs in the R-S and BCH error correction?21:20
rm_youif you want to as well21:20
rm_youderf: dunno21:20
madhavlcuk: i wrote a paint program in gtk , there im do stoke with pen(touchscreen), im not getting all the events on motion event..wondering how u are able to get it working pretty good..21:20
fnordianslipdoesn't gcc support obj-c ?21:20
rm_youderf: just read through a little of it, not sure how I would tell what bugs it has without just stumbling on a bug report <_< I dont know QR codes21:21
snowmoon-workOh, yeah, WTF hildon... changing from hildon.NamePasswordDialog in v3 to hildon.LoginDialog in v4 hat do the same things!  ( had to get that off my chest )21:21
derfI don't either, but I know Galois Field theory.21:21
lcuklow level coding and not wasting time going through hundreds of layers to actually get the data and use it quickly enough :)21:21
rm_youderf: lol21:21
lcukits just an x window21:21
lcukand the events come to me21:21
* snowmoon-work feels better21:21
lcukit uses the pressure sensitive x extension21:21
Atariirm_you: is it "ls -s" to check permissions?21:22
rm_youls -l21:22
infobotrumour has it, galois is
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madhavlcuk: that means in my case X---GTK events are lost...right?21:22
rm_youAtarii: it worked! yay21:22
rm_youthough now the problem is the program itself21:22
rm_youAtarii: and you verified that 13-1 worked?21:23
Atariiim now purging to check the last working one21:23
lcuki wouldnt know - i dont know how gtk does it, BUT i would image underneath there is an x11 window. attach the pressure sensitive handler to it and listen for its events21:23
lcuki would imagine ^21:23
Atariiif GAN800 says 13-1 and it now doesn't, i'm guessing i didn't purge when installing it, and just upgraded :(21:23
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rm_youhe didnt say that21:24
rm_youYOU said it21:24
rm_youif it doesnt work21:24
rm_youthen go back more21:24
rm_youand find when it does21:24
rm_youdoes 13-1 not?21:24
Atariiits installing21:24
Atariisorry for being a noob tester21:24
Atariii should be better, its my job :S21:25
rm_youlol np you are actually good :P21:25
GAN800rm_you, it can't be that hard to change that value. :P Pick a dummy value or something on your N800 you can test with so we don't have to keep poking at this. . . .21:25
rm_youGAN800: I don't know why it fails on 770, i need to find out which revision introduced the bug, so i can figure out what the bug IS21:26
rm_youand fix it :P21:26
GAN800It's _never_ worked for me21:26
rm_youGAN800: it worked for Atarii at some point21:26
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rm_youi swear it worked for you too briefly, though you had to modify permissions21:27
GAN800It never worked for me.21:27
Atariiim guessing it working from not purging, therefore using old configs or something21:27
Atariiit doesn't work now21:27
rm_youok go back further21:27
Atarii12-6 now installing21:27
GAN800Pick a thing to change on your N800 and get the code sorted. <_<21:27
rm_youGAN800: !?21:27
madhavlcuk: pressure sensitive? this was the example which i tried GTK Scribble...21:28
derfI'd never read Objective C before, but now I can see why you said "ugh".21:28
rm_youGAN800: I dont know what you are talking about21:28
derf[synBytes setValue: sum at: j]; <-- This is in no way C.21:28
lcukmadhav, yes press harder on the tablet and the line is brighter, go lightly and its less so21:28
rm_youdoes gcc compile objective C tho?21:28
derfIn C we say synBytes[j]=sum;21:28
rm_youpeople keep suggesting it does21:29
derfrm_you: Yes, I'm pretty sure it does.21:29
rm_youwe don't have a problem?21:29
lcukmadhav, does that draw onto a gtk_drawing_area_new21:29
GAN800Pick a value or file on your N800 that'd be analagous to the 770's brightness and have the slider change that so we don't have to keep testing things that _don't do anything_.21:29
derfHowever, I've never seen it with a .m extension before.21:29
derfrm_you: Yeah, you could probably just use it.21:29
derfI see they fixed at least one R-S bug.21:29
lcukcool, thanks21:29
lcukfor side project21:29
rm_youGAN800: the problem is i dont know what those numbers are supposed to DO21:29
rm_youGAN800: they are very weird21:29
madhavlcuk: why did u  ask that..?21:29
rm_youGAN800: and it could be a math problem, which i would never notice21:30
GAN800fanoush's blset script should tell all.21:30
rm_youGAN800: yes but it is very odd <_<21:30
rm_youand quirky21:30
AtariiGAN800 do you have a 770 and both a n800 and n810?21:30
lcukcos i need to draw lines onto one - ive never used gtk before21:30
GAN800pm him for clarification.21:30
GAN800No N81021:30
GAN800N810s suck.21:30
rm_youignore GA for now21:30
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Atarii12-6 nope, onto 12-421:31
Atariiman this sucks21:31
Atariii swear most of these worked at some point21:31
rm_youcheck permissions again?21:31
Atariiyea i have been21:31
Atariieven manually setting21:31
madhavlcuk: u are trying out that nw..?21:31
Atariiim pretty sure 12-4 definately worked though, so fingers crossed....21:32
AtariiGAN800 which was last version to work for you?21:32
derfAwesome, this guy copied over verbatim qrcode's use of arrays of 0's and 1's instead of just using a single binary integer.21:32
lardman|cookingrm_you: can you see where the segfault might have occurred?21:32
rm_youlardman|cooking: hrm21:32
lardman|cookinghi derf21:32
GAN800No version has EVER worked for me.21:32
lardman|cookingderf: looking at the *.m code?21:32
derflardman|cooking: Yeah.21:32
GAN800They've either crashed hildon-desktop or done nothing.21:33
Atariihave you tried setting the value of /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level manually?21:33
lcukmadhav, no, i just needed the syntax for drawing to the screen and this shows it21:33
GAN800Yes, that works fine.21:33
rm_youlardman|cooking: latest floating point:
lardman|cookingrm_you: cool21:33
derflardman|cooking: The BCH stuff is I think severely broken.21:33
derfThe R-S only minorly so.21:34
rm_youlardman|cooking: latest segfault
lardman|cookingrm_you: factor=0 is the problem21:34
lardman|cooking:) thanks21:34
lcuklardman|cooking, this works and cleanses your make process
lcukit helps let you see the errors better21:34
lcukme and rm have tested21:34
lcuk / warnings21:34
rm_youAtarii: so no versions working now?21:35
Atariino :s21:35
rm_you*sigh* i will do as GA says for a bit21:35
lardman|cookingrm_you: my mistake, in the code lines 366 & 420 should be <=0 not <021:35
rm_youlardman|cooking: :) fixed now, that is good :P21:35
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lardman|cookinghas anyone tried to join who I should add?21:36
rm_youI may join21:37
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lardman|cookinggo on then21:37
rm_youthere, put in a request just for kicks... may start on the QR stuff21:37
lardman|cookinglcuk, derf?21:37
rm_youunless derf is doing it21:37
rm_youor else I can help him21:37
rm_youthough we may not need to port it21:38
rm_youif I can get it to compile and take input from your camera stuff.21:38
lardman|cookingthere's always datamatrix stuff if you want21:38
lardman|cookingnot porting, but getting the lib to work21:38
lardman|cookingAre you Adam?21:38
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lardman|cookingrm_you: I've not pushed that correction (> -> >=) so go for it if you want to21:40
rm_youlol no21:41
rm_youit's your code, you prolly already changed, yes?21:41
lardman|cookingpushed now then :p21:41
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derfrm_you: Feel free to go ahead with the Objective C stuff.21:42
rm_youderf: k21:42
derfI'll worry about fixing the bugs in it once you get it up and running.21:42
rm_youheh k21:42
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derfI may wind up rewriting the whole thing anyway so we can use something more sophisticated than Niblack binarization, etc.21:43
rm_youi can fix that array -> int issue21:43
derfAnd, you know, not allocate a bikkion arrays all over the place.21:43
derfrm_you: I already did.21:43
rm_youah ok21:43
derfBut in C.21:43
rm_youdid you put it to the repo?21:43
derfWhat repo?21:43
derfWhat svn?21:43
rm_yousorry, busy updating extras :P21:43
rm_youderf: ? the maemo-barcode svn21:43
rm_youyou fixed it... where? :P21:44
derfI haven't put anything in there, no.21:44
derfIn some directory on my laptop.21:44
rm_youless than helpful :)21:44
lcukmadhav, are you still about, and could you please tell me whats missing in the middle of :     screen = gtk_drawing_area_new();       .............     gdk_draw_line(screen, screen->style->white_gc, x, linenum, x+ww, linenum);21:44
derfWell, there's a few more bugs in it still.21:44
derfBut at least it should be much faster now.21:44
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rm_youderf: k, well, you may as well push the version you have to SVN so i dont start working on outdated code <_<21:45
lcukcurrently, it moans:  gdk_draw_line: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed21:45
madhavlcuk: can u pastebin21:45
lcukyes, those are the 2 lines:   create a drawing area, draw to it21:45
lcukwhat am i missing?21:45
derfrm_you: I mean, it's just some C routines, with a different API, that are in no way used by the Java code or the Objective C stuff.21:45
rm_youah ok21:45
derfBut I had to start somewhere.21:45
rm_youand shouldnt impact my ability to get the code to compile?21:45
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derfI'll figure out how to fold those fixes in to whatever you get working later.21:46
lcukmadhav, they are done at totally seperate ends of the program in different files so pastebin is a bit impractical.  that is the boiled down version :)21:46
derfOR, I'll rewrite the whole library. One of those two.21:46
madhavlcuk: look at it, i guess u need a gdk_draw_drawable on expose event21:46
lcukahhh, so i dont draw to the drawing_area, i draw to the drawable21:46
lardman|cookingWe can poke Jaffa to do some web scraping21:47
lcukthanks, ill go and allocate one :)21:47
rm_youlol k21:47
madhavlcuk: ok21:47
lcukoh crap, does it not directly update either?21:48
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lcukgaaa @ not having raw planar access ;)21:48
rm_youderf: you using ?21:51
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madhavlcuk: it wont update..:) directly21:53
lcukit is doing21:54
Atariiaagh this sucks21:54
lcukbut i cant clear between it21:54
Atariican't find ANY that work now21:54
lcukonly needed one minor change21:54
vmlinuzGAN800, you were right :) the cable was ripped off just a little but before the connector21:54
rm_youlardman|cooking / lcuk / derf: I am checking in both libdtmtx (datamatrix) and barecode2d (QR) to the repo for initial work21:54
lcuk....  GdkDrawable *drawable = screen->window;     gdk_draw_line(drawable,  ....21:54
lcukok rm_you im playing with drawing onto the screen the recognised secionts21:54
rm_youderf: you should sign up for the garage project so you can work21:54
lcukmakes life easier to know what it thinks is a barcode21:55
rm_youlcuk: lol ok :) cool21:55
rm_youvery much so21:55
rm_youi am always wondering :P21:55
lcukyer it clarifies if its finging fingers (as i can successfully do)   or barcodes21:55
lcukthe guard bars need equal sized repeating light/dark :)21:55
lcuksplaying my fingers makes it fullfill this21:55
rm_youlibdtmtrx is cool cause it is already a C Libary design for exactly this :P21:56
* GAN800 plays the MicroB focus game again.21:56
lcukmadhav, is there a    gdk_draw_clear()   type function21:56
madhavfor invalidating?21:57
lcukyes that will do21:57
lcuki can draw but i cant clear it21:57
* rm_you waits for SVN access to propagate :P21:57
lcukgtk_widget_queue_draw_area ()gtk_widget_queue_draw_area ()21:59
lcukhmmm double buffered irc lines21:59
derfrm_you: I thought libdmtx was a different barcode format (e.g., not QR codes).21:59
rm_youderf: yes, datamatrix21:59
rm_youi think i said that :P21:59
rm_youah in a different place21:59
rm_youanyways, cause i thought you said also something about datamatrix22:00
rm_youthat you had looked at some code for them22:00
derfNo, I hadn't.22:00
derfAnyway, join request sent.22:01
rm_youGAN800: i changed it to write to a file i can see... it is writing the value correctly...22:02
rm_youAtarii: can you just do:22:02
rm_youecho 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level22:03
rm_youthen, echo 2688 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level22:03
rm_youand see if it changes it22:03
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Atariino changes22:06
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rm_youdid you perchance flash a kernel recently?22:06
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rm_youlike, to try to get rotation support working?22:06
Atariio fucking bollocks22:06
rm_youI'm not insane! woo! :P22:07
lardmanderf: not sure if you got that, it is different22:07
Atariihead on desk.....22:07
rm_youGAN800: you SURE you're running fanoush's kernel?22:07
lardmanrm_you: not sure you need to check the whole lib in... I've not looked yet22:07
Atariiand this is why rm_you needs a 770.....22:07
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rm_youlardman: ah, well, i haven't looked either, but i am now as I wait for SVN permissions, will see what all we need22:08
rm_youlardman: it has the whole build tree there for it... I guess we just need headers, and to package it up nicely separately22:08
lardmanI think it should pacakge up on its own - extras... ;)22:09
rm_youthats what i meant22:09
lardmanall we need is to add in a file to maemo-barcode which will interface with that code22:09
GAN800Yes, I'm running fanoush's kernel.22:09
rm_youGAN800: hrm k...22:10
rm_youcan you do those two echos22:10
GAN800unless it decided to flash itself all on its own.22:10
mgeeewow, xchat screen updates are incredibly slow on an asus eee pc22:10
* mgeee blames intel + compiz + EXA22:10
rm_youlol compiz22:11
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rm_youAtarii: you going to flash the kernel?22:11
Atariinow booting linux22:12
ShadowJKyou know, xchat screen updates on my Sempron3100+ nvidia 7600gt are about as fast as on N810...22:12
lardmanrm_you: btw, you should have SVN permissions22:13
rm_youi have to wait for the cron scripts to update22:14
rm_youI will go ahead and start packaging libdtmtrx for extras22:14
lardmanah, ok22:14
lardmancool :)22:14
GAN800120 works.22:14
GAN800I don't know where you're getting your numbers.22:14
ShadowJKI think xchat has remained just as slow as when I first used it on a P133. It seems that GTK keeps even pace with hardware improvements, to retain its slowness ;p22:14
rm_youGAN800: !?22:14
lardmanthere is another datamatrix implantation, spun off from libdmtx, called libdatamatrix iirc22:14
rm_youecho 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level22:14
rm_youthat number is straight from fanoush' blset script22:15
rm_youvalue * 256 + 12822:15
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GAN800Sets it to somewhere in the 40-70 range22:15
RST38hShadowJK: how about profiling it?22:15
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GAN8001-127 work fine. . . .22:16
rm_youGAN800: that DOES set it...22:16
rm_youGAN800: they shouldn't22:16
RST38hShadowJK: you can run non-intrusive Intel profiling tool, IPTU22:16
rm_youGAN800: did you look at fanoush' BLSET?22:16
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ShadowJKRST38h, at a guess I would start by blaming pango ;p22:16
ShadowJKSupposedly xchat is faster on intel than nvidia gpu22:16
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ShadowJKI think pango gets more loving from intel than nvidia...22:17
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GAN800That's your job.22:17
GAN800Anyway, echoing works fine.22:17
lardman_~lart my internet connection22:17
* infobot whacks my internet connection upside the head22:17
rm_youvalue=hwlevel * 256 + swlevel + 12822:17
rm_youI have no idea what that means22:17
GAN800blset sets the value for the current Nokia applet slider brightness.22:18
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GAN800swlevel is 1-922:18
lcukShadowJK, ive got  xhcat here and im on a 6100 or 6150 or something and its not sluggish - most likely its linux  driver thats the problem for you22:20
ShadowJKThat's why it's faster on intel, they've got decent-ish drivers22:20
lcukare you using the nvidia blob?22:20
lcukor the OSS driver