| Atarii770 | fanoush' site says it goes to 127 | 00:00 |
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| rm_you | yeah i dont think 770 includes 0 | 00:00 |
| rm_you | does *off* work? | 00:00 |
| rm_you | 0? | 00:00 |
| Atarii770 | no just checked | 00:01 |
| Atarii770 | that makes sense | 00:01 |
| rm_you | kk | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | "# General: SenseSurface sticks knobs onto screens (0) by jpramlak - 36 mins ago" - i lolled. | 00:01 |
| rm_you | Atarii770: it CRASHES on 126, or works on 126? | 00:06 |
| Atarii770 | works | 00:07 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: pong | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, thoughtfix seems a little pissy about people's thumbing behaviors. . . . | 00:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though this is fairly awesome: https://maemo.org/profile/view/thoughtfix.html | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had no idea negative karma was possible. | 00:16 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles : heh | 00:17 |
| Atarii770 | rm_you: 0 work on 13-1 | 00:17 |
| Atarii770 | works * | 00:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles thumbed all of Aisu's posts for Donate button spam and general lameness. | 00:17 | |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: -ve overall karma's gotta smart. Especially when you're trying to make it your business | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never seen his blogs get thumbed down that hard. | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinda impressive, actually. | 00:18 |
| lcuk | ~lart the "thumb" icon for looking like a comment speech bubble | 00:18 |
| * infobot shoots the "thumb" icon in the head for looking like a comment speech bubble | 00:18 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk's so blind | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | jott, are you still floating around | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | thoughtfix just doens't target the maemo.org crowd. | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart watchdog and crap cpufreq | 00:20 |
| * infobot squeezes watchdog and crap cpufreq till watchdog and crap cpufreq turns blue like papa smurf | 00:20 | |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, ?? | 00:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | the cpufreq didn't work great enough and watchdog decided to reboot my n800 for being too slow. | 00:22 |
| lcuk | ahhh, but the watchdog works faster as well | 00:22 |
| fnordianslip | when I have my custom kernel installed, which breaks wlancond, by the way, i can no longer boot from my SD card using the boot menu. it tries but falls back to booting from flash. when i reflash my stock kernel, i can boot from sd again. any ideas why this might be? now i've nobbled wlancond to stop it from segfaulting until the device reboots, i need access to the dev tools on the sd card. | 00:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wlancond broke for me when i used a custom version string. i really should apt-get source osso-wlan and see what it's problem is. | 00:26 |
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| fnordianslip | its sgefaulting in get_we_device_name() in dbus-handler.c for me | 00:28 |
| fnordianslip | segfaulting, even | 00:28 |
| jott | lcuk: yeah i'm here | 00:28 |
| lcuk | have you looked at the talk page, fanoush says the SRAM buffer is used already by the built in media player | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, you may wish to ssh in when bootmenu is running and trying to pivot_root etc manually. alternatively, boot into flash and chroot to the sd card. | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and your dev tools will be there etc | 00:29 |
| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i wonder why it is different though with the custom kernel. good point about the chrooting | 00:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | what have you added/removed/changed in the custom kernel? | 00:31 |
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| fnordianslip | i've added support for AX.25 networking | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't see why that would cause problems :/. what .config file are you using? | 00:32 |
| fnordianslip | the stock one. the diff is minor, but i did change the version string. | 00:32 |
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| fnordianslip | did it segfault for you? | 00:33 |
| jott | lcuk: mh no. interesting. so it is usable indeed? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | well, if nokia are using it privately then yes it does mean its usable and useful, i would therefore like to know how we could use it | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, different version strings cause problems with wlancond but did you use nokia_2420_defconfig as your base .config? | 00:34 |
| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: yep | 00:35 |
| lcuk | even if all this just ends up being a gaming engine | 00:35 |
| lcuk | i just dont see how fanoush knows its there - he isnt nokia internal as far as i know is he? | 00:35 |
| lcuk | and the source to the media player isnt open | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, knows what is where? | 00:35 |
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| jott | lcuk: well you can draw you conclusions if you invest some time | 00:35 |
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| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: the freshly built stock kernel works fine and the diff to my own .config is only about 10 lines | 00:35 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification | 00:36 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm not so sure the 5Mbit buffer is *required* for the PowerVR | 00:36 |
| jott | (either by simply reverse engineering or by looking deeper into the kernel source) | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, i'm all out of ideas, sorry. | 00:36 |
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| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i'll try with the default version string | 00:36 |
| lcuk | lardman, it might not be required but it will surely help speed things along if all memory access is internal to the omap package for as long as possible | 00:37 |
| lcuk | i want maximum performance | 00:37 |
| lcuk | and it exists so why not try to use it? | 00:37 |
| lcuk | look at the boost you got by moving your dsp buffers internally instead of accessing sdram | 00:37 |
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| lardman | lcuk: sure, just the wording | 00:40 |
| lcuk | agreed, i do not know how to put myself over that well | 00:41 |
| RST38bis | back, somewhat | 00:42 |
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| lardman | I've changed the wording | 00:44 |
| lardman | don't think it's lost anything | 00:44 |
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| RST38bis | still editing that wiki page? | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | yes RST38bis :) | 00:47 |
| xnt | hey guys i have penguinbait's android deb installed but how do i rotate the screen? | 00:48 |
| xnt | and is a terminal app available | 00:49 |
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| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: i think it works with the default version string ;-) now to check that the kernel really does have the right features ... | 00:52 |
| RST38bis | hey, lardman, have you opened a bug about a2dp integration? | 00:52 |
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| xnt | ok brb i going next door to subways | 00:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | cool. i'll probably try and have fun with osso-wlan. i feel like 2.6.21-omap1-qwerty12 :p | 00:54 |
| fnordianslip | change you name ... | 00:55 |
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| fnordianslip | your name, even | 00:55 |
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| lardman | RST38bis: no | 01:00 |
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| lardman | RST38bis: But I had some worrying news today from rm_you, video + a2dp-dsp doesn't work | 01:00 |
| RST38bis | should i open one? | 01:00 |
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| lardman | prob not until I work out what's up | 01:00 |
| RST38bis | ah, video is also using dsp? | 01:01 |
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| RST38bis | ok | 01:01 |
| lardman | no, but if you use mplayer to play video & use dsp-sbc for output, the audio is fine, but the video is <1fps | 01:01 |
| lardman | looks like it might be some sort of memory copy contention issue; as a first guess | 01:02 |
| lcuk | lol lardman - you both might be getting the same SRAM ;) | 01:02 |
| RST38bis | weird | 01:02 |
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| RST38bis | it sounds too drastic for copy contention | 01:03 |
| lardman | lcuk: not the same, but perhaps the MMU isn't happy with the hit rate. I don't know | 01:03 |
| lardman | DSP does lots of 512byte copies | 01:03 |
| lardman | 512bytes -> DSP; 76 bytes-> ARM | 01:04 |
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| lardman | so not optimimum in the grad scheme of memory copy things | 01:04 |
| lardman | s/grad/grand | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | was mediaplayer using all arm before - ie no dsp? | 01:04 |
| lardman | mplayer was | 01:04 |
| lardman | as the built-in won't do a2dp output | 01:05 |
| lcuk | sorry yes. what cpufreq is it set to - is mplayer being severly hit by the throttling? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | when dsp in use* | 01:05 |
| lardman | no, set to 400MHz | 01:05 |
| lcuk | ahhh, this is the custom kernel thing isnt it | 01:07 |
| lcuk | what if you reencoded the video to something really low? | 01:07 |
| lardman | usually it's pulled down to 330MHz so the DSP can run at 220MHz, but the kernel patch allows the DSP to run at 133MHz & ARM at 400MHz | 01:07 |
| lardman | he tested with a video which worked with ARM SBC encoding | 01:08 |
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| lardman | so if you can't beat that, you're not doing so well :( | 01:08 |
| lardman | bbiab | 01:08 |
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| lardman|r6vegas | :) | 01:08 |
| lcuk | cya later lardman|gone | 01:09 |
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| Medic119 | Why does sync have to be so difficult? | 01:26 |
| Medic119 | I have re-written my calendars like 3 times this afternoon.. | 01:28 |
| Medic119 | BTW, anyone else using openSUSE 11? | 01:29 |
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| lardman | too much adrenaline for this time of night | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are you playing on? | 01:30 |
| RST38bis | the tablet?;) | 01:31 |
| lardman | Rainbow Six Vegas | 01:31 |
| lardman | ah no | 01:31 |
| lardman | :) | 01:31 |
| lardman | Nice dual core 2GB machine with 7900GTX | 01:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 01:31 |
| lcuk | lardman, yes thats the specs of the tablet | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it another 5 years. ;) | 01:31 |
| lardman | with PowerVR enabled ;) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:32 |
| lcuk | i wonder what it would take to make the tablet into an aux pad for gaming - showing weapon selection/maps etc | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | With? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | with what? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | itself | 01:33 |
| lcuk | like the optimus maximus doofer | 01:34 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: not a lot of things | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weapons for what? | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | A game of some sort? | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be highly dependent on the game. | 01:34 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: 1. find pc program that lets you control pc over wifi | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | But any q3-based stuff would be a good candidate. | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Easy to hook into | 01:35 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk: write compatible client for the tablet | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | optimus maximus has some windows based editor to assign keycaps to locations - something similar and feed it keystrokes | 01:35 |
| lcuk | ahhh cool | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be cool as a moving map for X-Plane | 01:36 |
| lcuk | i use mine as a very basic tv remote now | 01:36 |
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| * lardman was thinking of Optimus Prime | 01:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | As the 2nd-screen moving map nukes my fps | 01:36 |
| lcuk | lol lardman | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use mine as a TV. :D | 01:36 |
| lcuk | its a bit cramped | 01:36 |
| RST38bis | i am sure ootimus maximus has a special valve to let excessive vapor out | 01:36 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: X-plane will output UDP data so no need to nuke your framerate | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Optimus keyboard is such a joke | 01:37 |
| lcuk | what i might REALLY want but never given it enough thought is playback of big pc movies through the speakers on 810 | 01:37 |
| RST38bis | there is a us company that made such keyboards for years | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck with the audio sync. | 01:37 |
| lcuk | just audio | 01:37 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, mplayer has a sync adjustment option | 01:37 |
| RST38bis | for professional musician market | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine paying that kind of cash for silicone dome board. | 01:37 |
| lcuk | once configured it should stay | 01:37 |
| lcuk | im gonna vanish anyway, been a long day | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later. | 01:39 |
| lcuk | gnite chaps (i think) | 01:39 |
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| RST38bis | same here | 01:40 |
| RST38bis | sleep. | 01:40 |
| lardman | nighty-night | 01:40 |
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| philn_ | hi | 01:42 |
| philn_ | how can i set the default gstreamer audiosink to use? | 01:43 |
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| lardman | urgh | 01:44 |
| lbt | Shopper's just gone beta :) | 01:44 |
| lardman | by the built-in media player? | 01:44 |
| lardman | philn_? | 01:44 |
| lardman | if so, not quite sure, but you ought to be able to fiddle with the metadata somehow | 01:45 |
| philn_ | lardman: i've got my BT headphones working with the gstreamer sink: "sbcenc ! a2dpsink device=..." .. but how to make the other apps using that? | 01:45 |
| lardman | not very helpful I know | 01:45 |
| lardman | ah, well mplayer can use it, as can anything else that uses an ALSA backend | 01:45 |
| lardman | how exactly you fiddle the built-in media player to do it I don't quite know | 01:46 |
| philn_ | i'm quite confused... alsa gst plugins doesn't seem available on my n810 (i'm using diablo) | 01:46 |
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| lardman | alsa directly | 01:46 |
| lardman | not through gstreamer | 01:47 |
| philn_ | is there a doc somewhere explaining the maemo "media framework"? | 01:47 |
| lardman | bug for this sort of configurability is what it needs | 01:47 |
| lardman | yes | 01:47 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/getting_started.html has some clues on the metadata you might be able to edit | 01:47 |
| philn_ | because between mplayer, oms, etc... | 01:47 |
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| lardman | to get it working with a plain alsa backend, try johnx's a2dp deb | 01:49 |
| philn_ | esd... OMG | 01:49 |
| lardman | http://74.86.202.247/forums/showthread.php?s=b23ed74d6aca03f203c05d9b7b704cd4&t=13468 | 01:49 |
| lardman | weird, IP address not a real name | 01:50 |
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| philn_ | i found that but the deb didn't install | 01:50 |
| lardman | What are you running on? | 01:50 |
| philn_ | diablo | 01:51 |
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| Churl | I just got a updated canola youtube plugin notice, so I tried to update, problems! so I uninstalled, reinstalled the plugin, as well as canola, the youtube plugin no longer works, missing some stuff (canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2; flash-and-reboot =3; initfs-flasher .95?????????? maemo2 kernel-diablo-flasher =2.6.21) is there an easy fix to this? | 01:51 |
| philn_ | eh wait, no it's another thing that failed to install.. | 01:51 |
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| lardman | philn_: hmm, worked for me | 01:52 |
| Churl | it was working fine | 01:52 |
| lardman | Churl: dpkg -f | 01:52 |
| lardman | perhaps, to fix your dep issues? | 01:52 |
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| Churl | lardman trying it | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Googling the error will turn that right up | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a minor glitch with SSU | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Non-fatal | 01:56 |
| Churl | lardman ok only thing missing now canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo2 | 01:56 |
| Churl | yeah, it propted me to apt-get -f install | 01:56 |
| Churl | very nice | 01:56 |
| lardman | thanks GeneralAntilles | 01:57 |
| lardman | time for bed, see you chaps on the morrow | 01:57 |
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| Atarii | GeneralAntilles, that convo earlier, check out touch buddy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKv8KR8bX7w | 01:58 |
| Atarii | windows software which uses a touch screen for additional controls for games etc | 01:59 |
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| glass | on windows screen? | 02:00 |
| glass | a little bit of tweaking and how about just using something like vnc | 02:00 |
| Atarii | linux only via wine though :( | 02:01 |
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| Atarii | check out the vid, it just shows controls on teh screen | 02:03 |
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| jeward | Can you tether the n810 to Treo 755p? | 02:06 |
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| rm_you | yeah that would be neat, using n800 like certain zelda for gamecube used the Gameboy Advance | 02:07 |
| rm_you | also, I use my n800 as a tv remote too :P | 02:07 |
| Churl | GeneralAntilles: hate to bother you again, no luck with googleing "canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2" my last missing dependency | 02:08 |
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| rm_you | oh, didnt one of the people from the canola team say that the youtube plugin for diablo canola isnt working yet? | 02:13 |
| Proteous | they always say that | 02:18 |
| fnordianslip | whats the best place to pull deb sources from upstream for diablo? i've just built libax25 with debuild for arm on my nslu2 from debian etch (which it runs) and want to try building it in scratchbox. | 02:19 |
| Proteous | and the masses always cry, "YouTube! YouTube! YouTube, seriously, we neeeeeeeeed to watch more vvvviiiiiddeoooooos of stupid stuff!!!" | 02:19 |
| philn_ | :) | 02:20 |
| Proteous | "MMMUUUSSSTT SEEE VIDEO OF MAN FALLING OFF ROOOOOOOFFFF" | 02:21 |
| rm_you | fnordianslip: i generally grab debian etch | 02:21 |
| rm_you | fnordianslip: or debian sid if I REALLY need something new, but usually i run into dependency problems with sid | 02:22 |
| fnordianslip | that'll be "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" then? | 02:22 |
| rm_you | i believe | 02:22 |
| rm_you | yes | 02:22 |
| fnordianslip | k. thanks | 02:22 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 02:31 |
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| Churl | Proteous: I agree with you about youtube but I do like neat plugins | 02:37 |
| Churl | still no luck with canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 (I can find maemo1 while googleing) | 02:40 |
| Proteous | :) | 02:45 |
| Churl | ok I have canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo 1 installed, where can I get maemo2? | 02:45 |
| Churl | different repo? | 02:45 |
| Andy80 | what are the differences between maemo1 and maemo2 in that canola package? | 02:51 |
| Churl | good question! | 02:51 |
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| Andy80 | :) | 02:52 |
| Churl | it's ok if no one knows, im not sure it exists | 02:53 |
| qos | i would like to know that too... | 02:53 |
| Churl | but it is a dependency for the youtube plugin | 02:54 |
| qos | perhaps it not release yet | 02:55 |
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| [yzf600] | howdy | 04:44 |
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| [yzf600] | I'm trying to create a really simple app for my n770 (maemo 2.2) | 04:45 |
| [yzf600] | I'm familiar with GTK stuff, as I've created some GTK apps at work with perl GTK API | 04:46 |
| [yzf600] | I've got a GTK table, that I'd like to stuff a icon into a certain box | 04:46 |
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| [yzf600] | instead of a button, label etc | 04:46 |
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| [yzf600] | What type of GTK object would the icon be read into? | 04:47 |
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| [yzf600] | I saw gtk_pixmap_new in the regular GTK+ API docs | 04:47 |
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| [yzf600] | but the docs say it's been depreciated | 04:49 |
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| [yzf600] | ah | 04:53 |
| [yzf600] | silly me | 04:53 |
| [yzf600] | image = gtk_image_new_from_file("available.png"); | 04:53 |
| GAN800 | Churl, Diablo Extras-devel | 04:53 |
| [yzf600] | gtk_table_attach(GTK_TABLE(main_table), image, 2, 4, 0, 2, GTK_FILL, GTK_FILL, 5, 5); | 04:53 |
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| jackg | hi guys~ now i use the N800 as a server and monitor the connnect from the pc. The fault is "bind error : Address already in use" | 05:02 |
| jackg | 05:02 | |
| jackg | I add the SO_REUSEADDR and setsockopt function in my program.But it also have the same mistake.the same program in pc has no fault,why in n800 have these mistake? | 05:02 |
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| Churl | GAN800: already in my repositories | 05:30 |
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| Capn_Fish | Could somebody tell me what the trick is to get a USB mouse working under Diablo (N810)? I'm hoping to gain some hint as to how to do it under Debian. Thanks | 07:11 |
| daperl | %t | 07:12 |
| Capn_Fish | ??? | 07:12 |
| daperl | newbie | 07:12 |
| daperl | as in I'm a newbie | 07:13 |
| Capn_Fish | an | 07:13 |
| Capn_Fish | *ah | 07:13 |
| Capn_Fish | Is there a problem, then? | 07:16 |
| daperl | no, I thought I was sending a command to the server | 07:17 |
| Capn_Fish | lol | 07:17 |
| daperl | did your dmesg say anything interesting? | 07:18 |
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| Capn_Fish | It mostly just detected a moust. There was the quirk that when you took it out and put it back in, it moved from //dev/input/inputn to /dev/input/inputn+1, then n+2, etc. | 07:20 |
| Capn_Fish | I suspect it's an Xomap bug | 07:20 |
| Capn_Fish | or problem | 07:20 |
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| tank-man | maybe you have to prove /dev/input = /dev/inputn+1 first ;) | 07:21 |
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| Capn_Fish | Woops... | 07:22 |
| * Capn_Fish writes long, drawn out mathematical formula | 07:22 | |
| Capn_Fish | ...and as you can see, they are the same. | 07:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Does anybody know how it works under Maemo? | 07:24 |
| Capn_Fish | I'm guessing that it may take an Xomap rebuild | 07:24 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GAN800: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb | 07:25 |
| rm_you | should auto fix permissions issues | 07:25 |
| rm_you | i think you may need to reboot, but test to see :P | 07:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 770? | 07:26 |
| rm_you | yes | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still in my backpack | 07:27 |
| rm_you | GET IT | 07:27 |
| rm_you | >_< | 07:27 |
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| rm_you | worth it now :P | 07:27 |
| daperl | rm_you: 13-5? you guys are fast and furious | 07:28 |
| rm_you | daperl: this is basically my full-time occupation ATM >_> | 07:28 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:28 |
| rm_you | this one has a couple of your patches in it :) | 07:29 |
| Capn_Fish | Does anybody even have a USB mouse working? | 07:30 |
| daperl | are things running well? | 07:30 |
| Capn_Fish | Me? | 07:31 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 07:31 |
| rm_you | err | 07:31 |
| daperl | sorry, rm_you | 07:31 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 07:31 |
| Capn_Fish | np | 07:31 |
| rm_you | decided not to use the threaded queuing for the volume though, as it made it jump oddly | 07:31 |
| rm_you | but works great for brightness | 07:32 |
| rm_you | and 770 support should be complete | 07:32 |
| daperl | really? it just has an initial pause | 07:32 |
| daperl | the 1st time only | 07:33 |
| rm_you | no, it literally made the bar jump oddly | 07:33 |
| rm_you | if you moved it back and forth | 07:33 |
| rm_you | probably due to gconf updates | 07:33 |
| rm_you | err, GConfNotifyFunc stuff | 07:34 |
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| daperl | i no opped debug | 07:34 |
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| rm_you | ? | 07:35 |
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| daperl | i #defined debug to a no op function | 07:36 |
| daperl | also, i think you're suppose to use async dbus communication | 07:36 |
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| Stskeeps | morning Capn_Fish | 07:38 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:38 |
| rm_you | daperl: can you test the latest? | 07:38 |
| rm_you | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb | 07:38 |
| rm_you | before I promote it | 07:38 |
| rm_you | I think it seems to be working very well | 07:38 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Or good night :P | 07:39 |
| daperl | i can't seem to copy in xchat | 07:39 |
| Capn_Fish | I was just asking about getting a USB mouse working (how else am I supposed to play Marathon?) | 07:39 |
| daperl | never mind, i got it | 07:40 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: eh? | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in my backpack | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll test it later. | 07:41 |
| rm_you | >_< | 07:41 |
| rm_you | I want to promote it | 07:41 |
| rm_you | ASAP | 07:41 |
| rm_you | it'll take you like 30 seconds to go get it >_> | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: either way, coffee is the solution .. with mouse, doesnt it make sense that it's some HAL thing? | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it wont | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | More. | 07:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Backpack is in the car. | 07:42 |
| rm_you | 45? :P | 07:42 |
| rm_you | gah | 07:42 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Well, it's recognized | 07:42 |
| Capn_Fish | I think that Xomap just doesn't know how to use it | 07:42 |
| daperl | the stuff i had in there for brightness label change isn't working | 07:42 |
| rm_you | car is in the shipping crate? shipping crate is in the atlantic on a freighter? :P | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: do you have package x-nokia-keyboard-support? | 07:43 |
| Capn_Fish | Nope. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | or /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi? | 07:43 |
| Capn_Fish | Does that work/go under Debian? | 07:43 |
| Capn_Fish | Oh, yeah | 07:43 |
| Capn_Fish | I have that | 07:43 |
| Capn_Fish | THat made the HW keyboard work | 07:44 |
| daperl | you're right about the volume | 07:44 |
| rm_you | daperl: hrm let me see | 07:44 |
| rm_you | label is changing here | 07:44 |
| rm_you | you on 0.13-5? | 07:44 |
| daperl | if you catch the release you don't | 07:44 |
| rm_you | ? | 07:45 |
| daperl | need the other thread | 07:45 |
| daperl | yes, 13-5 | 07:45 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: the wiki page (on maemo.org) mentions something about a dbus permission error and refers to Xorg hotplugging | 07:45 |
| rm_you | both labels are updating perfectly here | 07:45 |
| daperl | what i meant was | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: try add the /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf thing from there | 07:45 |
| daperl | it's not changing while i'm moving the bar | 07:46 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Add what? | 07:46 |
| rm_you | was it supposed to? I guess that would make a lot of sense | 07:46 |
| rm_you | I could fix that in a sec | 07:46 |
| rm_you | put it on a different event | 07:46 |
| rm_you | or rather, take it out of the queue | 07:46 |
| daperl | yeah, it looks cool | 07:46 |
| rm_you | well, i'll push that to the next release | 07:46 |
| rm_you | we need SOMETHING to work on later, right? :P | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#Building_and_installing_a_HAL-enabled_Xorg_server | 07:47 |
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| daperl | no, put it before the queue push | 07:47 |
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| daperl | anyway, you have stuff to work on | 07:49 |
| daperl | those A's have to go! | 07:49 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: So I'm supposed to add the stuff that's about 1/2 of the way down the page to /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf? | 07:50 |
| daperl | take the 770 scalable icon and rotate it 3 times | 07:50 |
| Capn_Fish | And does the current Xomap build have HAL support? | 07:50 |
| daperl | that would look good | 07:51 |
| rm_you | daperl: as long as it isn't ambiguous | 07:52 |
| rm_you | daperl: you have a link to that icon? i'll grab it and do the first bits of work on that now | 07:52 |
| daperl | let me take a look | 07:53 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Still here? | 07:55 |
| daperl | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_nokia_770.png | 07:56 |
| rm_you | ah it is already on there | 07:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: the stuff after cat /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf | 07:57 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: OK | 07:57 |
| daperl | did you slip that label change in there? | 07:57 |
| Capn_Fish | I need to get some sleep now. | 07:57 |
| Capn_Fish | Thanks a lot! | 07:57 |
| Capn_Fish | I'll let you know how it goes (I updated the wiki a bit, BTW) | 07:57 |
| rm_you | you can just create a pixbuf with that and then use gtk functions to rotate it, yeah? | 07:57 |
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| daperl | yes? sure? :) | 07:58 |
| daperl | probably gDk | 07:59 |
| daperl | or gimp | 07:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:59 |
| rm_you | easier to just use the one icon that is already on the system and rotate it in software than to ship with 4 icon files >_> | 08:00 |
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| rm_you | rather, ok... maybe not easier. definitely more efficient though :) | 08:00 |
| daperl | my only concern would be if it wasn't a square | 08:01 |
| rm_you | :/ | 08:01 |
| rm_you | then i would have to fix in gimp and ship just one | 08:01 |
| rm_you | but i think it is... most all of their icons are square | 08:01 |
| rm_you | 26x26/40x40 | 08:02 |
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| daperl | well, what would another 3 matter? :) | 08:02 |
| rm_you | just not necessary :) | 08:02 |
| daperl | i agree | 08:03 |
| daperl | here's a problem: | 08:04 |
| daperl | the ABSA is on my 2nd row up top | 08:05 |
| daperl | the menu goes below my screen | 08:05 |
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| daperl | maybe tighten it up vertically | 08:07 |
| daperl | sorry, i'm pretty stupid | 08:09 |
| rm_you | ? | 08:09 |
| daperl | i just got why you're using the "A"s | 08:09 |
| daperl | at least choose a different letter | 08:10 |
| rm_you | yeah, you can just read it | 08:10 |
| rm_you | whichever way you rotate :P | 08:10 |
| rm_you | what's wrong with A? | 08:10 |
| rm_you | is B inherently better than A somehow? :P | 08:10 |
| rm_you | Alphabet wars! | 08:10 |
| daperl | i thought you were using the A's as arrows | 08:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:11 |
| daperl | yeah, rotating text makes more sense than rotating a device | 08:13 |
| daperl | you need a nice, cursive ttf | 08:14 |
| daperl | a lower case a | 08:14 |
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| rm_you | possibly yes | 08:22 |
| daperl | if you're not going to change the brightness | 08:22 |
| daperl | until the release you can yank the other thread too | 08:23 |
| dick-richardson | anyone know of a media extender that can stream from an nfs share? | 08:23 |
| daperl | i like that you don't change the brightness | 08:24 |
| daperl | until the release | 08:24 |
| daperl | i wouldn't release this if you don't fix the brightness label thing | 08:26 |
| daperl | you would have an inconsistency between the 2 sliders | 08:27 |
| daperl | i'm going to sleep | 08:28 |
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| daperl | i take it back, you should put the thread back in the volume stuff | 08:32 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 08:32 |
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| daperl | it's really smooth when you're in a media player | 08:33 |
| daperl | it's too jerky the way you have it | 08:33 |
| daperl | too many cooks :) | 08:33 |
| daperl | ...and good night | 08:35 |
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| Mikho | would anyone know if there's a way to control which dbus hcid connects to? | 08:36 |
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| daperl | rm_you: you still there? | 08:47 |
| rm_you | yes | 08:47 |
| rm_you | was afk for a bit | 08:47 |
| rm_you | <daperl> it's really smooth when you're in a media player | 08:48 |
| rm_you | <daperl> it's too jerky the way you have it | 08:48 |
| rm_you | ?? | 08:48 |
| rm_you | seems smooth in general to me | 08:48 |
| rm_you | all its doing is updating gconf <_< | 08:48 |
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| daperl | but it's blocking | 08:48 |
| rm_you | but you can complete 10+ gconf calls in a second <_< | 08:49 |
| rm_you | ~ | 08:49 |
| rm_you | it shouldnt impact performance | 08:49 |
| rm_you | it is a TINY bit less smooth than with the threading | 08:50 |
| rm_you | but with threading it jumps | 08:50 |
| rm_you | we think it is better this way | 08:50 |
| daperl | listen to me | 08:50 |
| rm_you | i am :P you haven't really said anything yet | 08:51 |
| daperl | you had a last gconf call that i commented out | 08:51 |
| daperl | it made the difference | 08:51 |
| daperl | try my demo | 08:52 |
| rm_you | send me the patch | 08:52 |
| rm_you | pastebin works | 08:52 |
| daperl | can i do this tomorrow? | 08:53 |
| rm_you | err, k? | 08:53 |
| rm_you | i will be on | 08:54 |
| rm_you | going to push this to extras tonight though | 08:54 |
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| rm_you | after I fix the label thing | 08:54 |
| daperl | do problem, i just don't think you've felt the complete power of your battle station yet | 08:55 |
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| daperl | do -> no | 08:55 |
| daperl | is that geeky enough for you? | 08:56 |
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| rm_you | :P | 09:08 |
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| macoute | have someone used tablet-encode with subtitles? | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | mplayer recognises subtitle files separately anyway. | 09:21 |
| macoute | qwerty12: i want to stream them too :) | 09:21 |
| macoute | the videos, that is | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | Oh :) | 09:22 |
| macoute | so i am basically using mediaserv | 09:22 |
| macoute | mencoder should do the trick but somehow i havent managed to do that | 09:22 |
| rm_you | ah yes i do | 09:23 |
| rm_you | sec | 09:23 |
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| rm_you | is it a separate subtitle file, or like, mkv with a subtitle stream? | 09:24 |
| macoute | a separate file | 09:24 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:24 |
| rm_you | you can do some magic if the file is named the same | 09:25 |
| rm_you | or | 09:25 |
| rm_you | sec, sorry, busy | 09:25 |
| macoute | so it should be basically -msubfile -mfile.srt | 09:25 |
| macoute | rm_you: yeah, that should work with mencoder | 09:25 |
| macoute | that option is something like -sub-fuzziness or something | 09:25 |
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| sllab | hi, anyone awake? | 09:42 |
| sllab | how do you flash and reboot using xterminal? | 09:45 |
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| melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 09:49 |
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| sllab | I'm trying too add the rotate option, but I'm lost at the last step | 09:53 |
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| sllab | where its says '4. Open up "X-Terminal" and run flash-and-reboot.' | 09:54 |
| sllab | 5. enjoy! | 09:55 |
| macoute | so you cant enjoy? :) | 09:55 |
| macoute | thats out of this channels scope, i think | 09:55 |
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| XTLi | What, no profit? | 09:58 |
| sllab | no enjoying yet :'( | 09:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:01 |
| rm_you | sllab: just open the xterm on the device | 10:01 |
| rm_you | and type "sudo gainroot" | 10:01 |
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| rm_you | and then "flash-and-reboot" | 10:01 |
| sllab | thanks, rm | 10:02 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 10:02 |
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| sllab | how do enable 'RD MODE' ? ...sorry :) | 10:02 |
| sllab | hi, Khertan | 10:03 |
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| AStorm | sllab: with the flasher | 10:06 |
| AStorm | but it's pointless, just install easyroot | 10:06 |
| AStorm | (unless you really need that nice changed logo ;P ) | 10:06 |
| daperl | rm: so, i'm staring at the latest code, do want to hear the irony? At least I think it's irony. If you don't I won't bother. | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | yawn | 10:21 |
| sllab | okay *sigh* I've gain root | 10:24 |
| sllab | but flash-and-reboot is not working | 10:24 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:40 |
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| johnx | 'mornin hrw | 10:42 |
| johnx | were you working on getting hildon stuff into poky? | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, forget easyroot | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | easyroot sucks | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | you want rootsh | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It looks like work started for the mysql upgrade, so it is looking good for your plugin ;) | 10:47 |
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| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: what is that? :) | 10:47 |
| AStorm | easyroot works fine, although I'd prefer sudo :> | 10:48 |
| AStorm | (yeah, I know, easy to configure) | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, sweet, I'll get with andre and sjgadsby and bring the awesome. | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, qwerty12's version of easyroot that's in Extras | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's the new favored method for root access | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | as it's in Extras and qwerty12's the man. ;) | 10:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~rootsh | 10:49 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rootsh is Alex Paulo Laner - mailto: mailto:rootsh@noisemakers.org - São Paulo / Cerquilho - SP | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 10:50 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah the bugjar can look a lot sweeter this way ;) | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I'm thinking this'll be a decent way to generate some overview pages without having to backport all of GNOME's bugzilla, too. | 10:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to ask guenther about getting a couple more default searches. . . . | 10:50 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, the plugin is still in active development. So there may come some more cool features for free ;) | 10:51 |
| timely | X-Fade: what's up w/ bug jar? | 10:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timely, that's sjgadsby's domain. | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's currently on -developers and itT | 10:54 |
| timely | what's the url to bug jar anyway? :) | 10:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I think he and I will be pushing it to the wiki with the new plugin | 10:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, URL. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2768&page=7 | 10:55 |
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| manga | hey | 10:57 |
| manga | so I messed up somewhere | 10:57 |
| manga | I have the options to rotate the screen | 10:58 |
| manga | but it doesn't rotate | 10:58 |
| manga | well it does | 10:58 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: confused | 10:58 |
| manga | just everything messes up | 10:58 |
| timely | is itt showing it in pieces, if so, why? | 10:58 |
| manga | the screen doesn't actually rotate | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, he breaks them up due to post-size limitations | 10:59 |
| rm_you | manga: n800? n810? | 10:59 |
| timely | heh | 10:59 |
| hrw | johnx: I was | 10:59 |
| manga | rm, n810, diablo | 10:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and to Thanks! whore, I think. . . . :D | 10:59 |
| johnx | hrw, did you get anywhere? I'm working on modest | 10:59 |
| timely | lol | 10:59 |
| rm_you | manga: this is what i did to get it working: | 11:00 |
| rm_you | as root, in an xterm: | 11:00 |
| rm_you | wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz | 11:00 |
| rm_you | tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz | 11:00 |
| rm_you | cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Missing kernel if everything rotates but is messed up. | 11:01 |
| rm_you | wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation | 11:01 |
| rm_you | wget http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel_flasher.tgz | 11:02 |
| rm_you | tar zxvf kernel_flasher.tgz | 11:02 |
| manga | Gen, and how do we fix the missing Kernal? | 11:03 |
| rm_you | ./kernel_flasher/kernel_flash zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation | 11:03 |
| rm_you | type yes when it asks, and then reboot | 11:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you. wtf? | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher . . . . | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's bundled.<_< | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, dneary. | 11:04 |
| rm_you | i asked how to use that earlier, and no one responded :P so i used that | 11:04 |
| rm_you | it kept saying my image was broken | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, exactly like flasher-3.0 . . . . | 11:04 |
| rm_you | but it flashed fine with kernel_flasher | 11:04 |
| hrw | johnx: I have base libraries and few components | 11:05 |
| manga | okay so do I follow rm's way? :) | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use Nokia's flasher. | 11:05 |
| rm_you | either works | 11:05 |
| rm_you | it doesnt really matter | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know what rm_you is doing wrong. | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's wrong | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and if it's not wrong, he should file a bug. :P | 11:05 |
| dneary | Hi GeneralAntilles | 11:05 |
| manga | gen, where do I find the Nokia flasher? | 11:06 |
| rm_you | it is installed if you followed my... | 11:06 |
| rm_you | bah here | 11:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | manga, it's bundled | 11:06 |
| rm_you | i'll make it a ONELINER | 11:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher | 11:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Run it with: | 11:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher -k <kernel image> -f | 11:06 |
| rm_you | wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz && tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz && cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb && wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation && fiasco-flasher -f -k zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation | 11:07 |
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| rm_you | happy now GA? | 11:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 11:08 |
| rm_you | kernel_flasher still does work fine, BTW, worked fine for years before fiasco-flasher, and nothing has changed | 11:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but it's additional software that isn't bundled and isn't necessary anymore. | 11:08 |
| rm_you | it isn't WRONG, it's "sub-optimal" | 11:08 |
| rm_you | there's a difference | 11:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | easyroot also works fine, and has been around a lot longer than rootsh, but which one do you think I'm going to recommend? ;) | 11:09 |
| rm_you | recommend, sure | 11:09 |
| rm_you | but don't say it doesn't work :P | 11:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | If fiasco-flasher can't flash your kernel, then there's something wrong with the kernel or a bug needs to be filed against fiasco-flasher. | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I didn't say kernel_flasher didn't work. | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway. | 11:10 |
| Mikho | HA, found a way to run hcid as a root on scratchbox dbus! In your face, security paranoids! \o/ | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Aaaawwwww" @ fanoush's baby pictures. | 11:11 |
| manga | rm_you thanks :) | 11:11 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Knock yourself out, the plugin works :) | 11:12 |
| rm_you | which plugin is this? | 11:12 |
| rm_you | I keep waiting for bugzilla garage components :P | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Bugzila integration in mediawiki. | 11:12 |
| rm_you | cool :) | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Xfade/test | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | Ok there are still a few bugs ;) | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No mouseover. :( | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need formatting, too | 11:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | probably a common.css thing. . . . | 11:16 |
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| X-Fade | Nice, the votes one is cool. | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | More info about the plugin here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports | 11:18 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: what does the "+" before a lock mean? | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, not a clue | 11:19 |
| timely | X-Fade? | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should plainlink the formatting to get rid of the locks | 11:19 |
| timely | also, could you add the resolution? | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | since those are irrelevant | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | timely: We have it working for 10 minutes. Haven't been able to look into it yet ;) | 11:20 |
| XTLi | Heh, my first non-test voice call from the nit | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | timely: You can add columns etc. | 11:20 |
| timely | X-Fade: yeah well.. i'm not doing it :) | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | timely: I mean in the wiki text, so it should not be that hard :) | 11:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4:30 | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for bed | 11:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll look at this more tomorrow night. | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Night ;) | 11:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Someone live in portugal ? | 11:24 |
| XTLi | I guess a few people do | 11:25 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | XTLi > yes i know there is about 10 945 870 people living in the country ... but i mean here and not away :) | 11:26 |
| XTLi | Couldn't resist, sorry :) | 11:27 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:30 |
| rm_you | morning | 11:31 |
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| hrw | johnx: you are interested in maemo poky packages? | 11:38 |
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| johnx | hrw, yeah | 11:39 |
| johnx | I copied the hildon stuff over from OE, and it seems to have built | 11:39 |
| johnx | packaged tinymail and it built as well | 11:39 |
| johnx | I'm working on the deps for modest, but that's kind of a a lot of stuff... | 11:39 |
| johnx | I wonder if hildon stuff will look ok with the sato theme... | 11:40 |
| RST38h | ehlo johnx,hrw | 11:41 |
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| RST38h | johnx: porting modest to OE?:) | 11:42 |
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| johnx | RST38h, well, poky actually, since I like the poky image for my zaurus these days | 11:42 |
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| johnx | I'd like to get the things I want from OE working nicely in it | 11:42 |
| rm_you | is it pronounced pocky or pokey? | 11:42 |
| johnx | mmm...pocky | 11:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:43 |
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| RST38h | johnx: scary | 11:43 |
| aquatix | hm, that new nightwish album is quite good | 11:43 |
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| johnx | RST38h, what, pocky or poky? | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | kohnx: porting modest to anything sounds almost like sabotage to me | 11:44 |
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| hrw | johnx: OE recipes for maemo stuff are broken | 11:45 |
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| hrw | johnx: poky/branches/experimental/meta-maemo/ has much better ones | 11:45 |
| johnx | hrw, great, I'll start there | 11:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, sabotage to OS2008 or modest? sorry, I'm confused | 11:46 |
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| hrw | johnx: share recipe | 11:48 |
| johnx | hrw, for tinymail? it's pretty trivial, but I haven't tested it | 11:48 |
| johnx | for modest, I'm still working through it's dependencies | 11:49 |
| hrw | johnx: btw - Poky has claws-mail which can be used instead of modest | 11:49 |
| johnx | I know. but I prefer modest, and I figure it's a good test of a hildonized app | 11:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: pocky | 11:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, is delicious | 11:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: given how "well" modest works... | 11:50 |
| rm_you | johnx: porting modest to any platform is kind of like sabotaging the platform you port it to :P | 11:50 |
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| johnx | whatever. it will improve and it beats the hell out of having to poke at tiny buttons with a stylus | 11:51 |
| RST38h | probably true too... | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Although for me nothing beats pine | 11:51 |
| johnx | to each, his own | 11:51 |
| rm_you | mutt :P | 11:52 |
| rm_you | pine uses pico :/ eww | 11:52 |
| RST38h | pico is nice | 11:52 |
| hrw | RST38h: pine is not open | 11:52 |
| johnx | plain old mail ought to be enough for anyone! | 11:52 |
| XTLi | Mutt sucks less, mostly | 11:52 |
| RST38h | gives you arrow buttons. does not try to be smart. | 11:52 |
| hrw | XTLi: but still suxx | 11:52 |
| RST38h | hrw: alpine is | 11:52 |
| XTLi | Mm.. Mail with ed | 11:52 |
| XTLi | hrw: ahs, ass | 11:53 |
| hrw | RST38h: I used pine then mutt then YAM (AmigaOS) | 11:53 |
| RST38h | hrw: and as a user I dont care how open it is | 11:53 |
| rm_you | mutt lets me mail with VIM. pure win :P | 11:53 |
| hrw | rm_you: pine can use vim too | 11:53 |
| rm_you | RST38h: maybe you should :/ | 11:53 |
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| XTLi | Re: pine -- two letters should be enough: WU | 11:54 |
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| XTLi | Or UW? | 11:54 |
| hrw | XTLi: indeed | 11:54 |
| RST38h | rm: my past experience shows that unless you work for a company looking to quickly ste^hreuse some code, openness does not matter | 11:54 |
| XTLi | I've seen too much closed stuff become dead and buried not to care about openness or freedom | 11:55 |
| RST38h | happens, yes | 11:55 |
| RST38h | happens to open sourced stuff too | 11:56 |
| rm_you | RST38h: as a user, using open software lets me know several things. for one, it isn't going to mysteriously lock itself unless I pay for it at some random point in the future. two, if development stops and it is orphaned, it can easily become maintained again in the future.... | 11:56 |
| XTLi | Will be kind of interesting to see if Nokia can get past the Cobalt tarpit here | 11:56 |
| rm_you | those two things alone guarantee i use nearly 100% open software, unless I am physically forced to use closed | 11:56 |
| RST38h | rm: well, not all closed source software locks itself or even requires you to pay | 11:56 |
| hrw | speaking of openess... thats why I like Debian and its DFSG | 11:56 |
| XTLi | Sometimes just RTFS is indispensable | 11:57 |
| hrw | if something is in Debian/main then I can hack it in any way as it has license which allows it | 11:57 |
| RST38h | rm: as to orphaned stuff, oss stuff gets orphaned as well | 11:57 |
| rm_you | but if it is good software, it can easily be picked back up | 11:57 |
| XTLi | By you or me even | 11:57 |
| RST38h | rm: you can of course pick up the support yourself | 11:57 |
| XTLi | I used tirc for ages, for example | 11:58 |
| rm_you | or request someone else to do it :P | 11:58 |
| RST38h | rm: but as you grow older you find out that it is theoretically possible but not practically feasible | 11:58 |
| XTLi | Eventually dropped it to get multiple servers etc. | 11:58 |
| XTLi | But irssi doesn't have vi input. | 11:59 |
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| XTLi | Oh! And open stuff can be ported | 11:59 |
| XTLi | Not just emukated (if you have that luxury) | 12:00 |
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| XTLi | Tirc on Aix. There wouldn't have been a business case for that <3 | 12:00 |
| johnx | RST38h, if modest wasn't open I wouldn't even have a place to start with this project. (and yes, I know how you feel about modest...) | 12:01 |
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| XTLi | I've also been in several places where admins kept alive their own distros and custom DE's | 12:02 |
| XTLi | Seemed feasible for them | 12:02 |
| XTLi | Better get out of this dead system reverie and back to this millennium.. ->Coffee | 12:04 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | about modest ... someone can explain me why it doesn't get anything from my google imap account, don't display error message, and clicking on sync toolbar button ? | 12:09 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and clicking on sync toolbar button do nothing ? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: well, I kinda doubt the utility of porting modest, but guess you are right. you could write your own client though | 12:10 |
| hrw | time for some new maemo bugs | 12:10 |
| RST38h | less broken than modest | 12:10 |
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| johnx | yes, I could hypothetically write a whole mail client from scratch, or I could ya'know not reinvent the wheel | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | stylus operated mutt ftw. | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:15 |
| hrw | ~curse libhildon for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES | 12:15 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libhildon for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES ! | 12:15 |
| hrw | ~curse libhildonfm too for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES | 12:16 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libhildonfm too for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES ! | 12:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: not that complicated unless you feel fanatical about imap support | 12:16 |
| johnx | yes, a client without imap is useless to me | 12:16 |
| RST38h | imap is a bitch though - seriously bloated standard | 12:17 |
| RST38h | they could have just used a networked file system instead | 12:17 |
| johnx | which is why I don't want to waste my own time working on it | 12:17 |
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| XTLi | Indeed | 12:20 |
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| jott | ~curses GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES | 12:21 |
| jott | ~curse GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES | 12:21 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES ! | 12:21 |
| jott | :O | 12:21 |
| Khertan_TheReal | RST38h> Right ;) ... and concurrent access ? | 12:22 |
| hrw | jott: s/gtk+/maemo gtk+ | 12:22 |
| jott | yeah | 12:22 |
| jott | still | 12:22 |
| RST38h | khertan: to your mail folder? | 12:22 |
| Khertan_TheReal | yes :) | 12:23 |
| RST38h | well, put cvs on top of it!:) | 12:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum ... anyways ... imap protocol is not so bad, it s server implementation which is bad | 12:23 |
| Khertan_TheReal | RST38h > lol | 12:23 |
| * jott eradicates gtk_window_set_is_temporary | 12:23 | |
| RST38h | or just use old good locking | 12:23 |
| aquatix | RST38h: s/cvs/svn i hope? ;) | 12:24 |
| XTLi | If rou already have a daemon watching, shouldn't be hard | 12:24 |
| RST38h | aquatix: ohyess | 12:24 |
| XTLi | 9p for everybody | 12:25 |
| hrw | jott: modest? | 12:26 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:26 |
| * RST38h pleads Cthulhu to make Nokia produce successor to e70 | 12:26 | |
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| RST38h | guess it wont work without a human sacrifice... | 12:26 |
| XTLi | Yum yum | 12:27 |
| jott | hrw: advanced-backlight - it's necessary to make the status bar menu close properly.. :( | 12:27 |
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| hrw | jott: maemo... | 12:29 |
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| johnx | RST38h, the E70 looks pretty useful, but ugly as hell O_o | 12:30 |
| RST38h | johnx: it is ugly but once you use it you cant go back | 12:31 |
| RST38h | that is the main problem I am having - any other phone feels inadequate now | 12:31 |
| johnx | fair enough. I'd still like to see a phone in the same style as the zaurus 5500 | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | larrdmann | 12:35 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 12:35 |
| RST38h | found what caused that fps drop? | 12:38 |
| lardman | no, haven't had a chance yet | 12:38 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | does fake university degree spam qualify as penis extension | 12:45 |
| RST38h | ? | 12:45 |
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| johnx | ok, just tried my libtinymail recipe...it wanted to include /home/pvanhoof/personal.h ... WTF? | 12:49 |
| pvanhoof | euh? that should have been removed almost 1.5 years ago | 12:50 |
| johnx | aaah...I think I pulled the wrong SRCREV | 12:50 |
| johnx | my bad | 12:50 |
| pvanhoof | yeah, quite likely :) | 12:50 |
| johnx | thanks for the quick response. sorry to bother you | 12:51 |
| pvanhoof | That was code that was put there I think 1 month after the first line was written | 12:51 |
| pvanhoof | So .. you are working with tinymail pre pre pre pre pre alpha pre pre alhpa pre pre pre 1 | 12:51 |
| johnx | right, I think I'll switch to grabbing the latest, like I intended to originally :) | 12:51 |
| rmrfchik | Hi, I'm newbie with n810 :) | 12:52 |
| johnx | hi rmrfchik | 12:52 |
| rmrfchik | I've configured usb-networking to my linux box, but application manager want to connect to wifi/bt. | 12:53 |
| rmrfchik | is there way to make manager to use my proxy on linux box over usb network? | 12:53 |
| johnx | yeah, I think I heard of something called dummyiap, but I'm not sure if that's still "the right way" to do this | 12:54 |
| rmrfchik | "Connections" in control panel listed "USB" (along with wifi/bt) and allow to configure the proxy, but "Connections" in applet only listed wifi/bt :( | 12:55 |
| johnx | maybe look here: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 12:55 |
| rmrfchik | thanks | 12:56 |
| rmrfchik | is there Diable changelog available? | 12:56 |
| johnx | can anyone say whether USB networking is working ok in diablo? | 12:56 |
| johnx | rm_you, not so much a changelog, but there is a list of changed packages | 12:56 |
| johnx | sorry rm_you :P | 12:56 |
| rm_you | :P | 12:57 |
| rm_you | np | 12:57 |
| rmrfchik | do not rm me! | 12:57 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 12:57 |
| rmrfchik | johnx: usb networking is working (at least ping) | 12:57 |
| * Khertan_TheReal pray Hermès for a working modest with google imap gmail ... | 12:58 | |
| johnx | Khertan_TheReal, uhm, what's wrong with it right now? | 12:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | don't know :) | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_TheReal: Works for me? | 12:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | no sync, no errors | 12:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | no emails | 12:58 |
| johnx | works here except when modest decides to sit there at 100%CPU | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | johnx: yeah, and that ;) | 12:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum :) | 12:59 |
| johnx | I'm beginning to think it's related to offline mode | 12:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it have work before on chinook | 12:59 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | and since diablo ... nothing | 12:59 |
| Khertan_TheReal | sync toolbar button show a progress bar which disapear the micro seconde later | 13:00 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (no restore from backup) | 13:00 |
| Khertan_TheReal | how can i launch it from xterm to see maybe some error ? | 13:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | THX A LOT JOHNX ! | 13:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve just made a stupid try ... | 13:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | going to offline ... and launch sync | 13:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and it s work ... | 13:03 |
| lardman | Where are people staying in Berlin? | 13:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but if i launch sync and i m already connected, no sync is made ! | 13:03 |
| johnx | O_o | 13:04 |
| Khertan_TheReal | great ! | 13:04 |
| johnx | Khertan_TheReal, my reference to offline mode was about modest using 100% CPU but I'm glad it works for you | 13:04 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | yes i now it was for that ... but i want to see it eating cpu :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and instead of that i see it asking for connection and retrieving mail ! | 13:05 |
| johnx | ahaha | 13:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | modest, the unexpected action generator software | 13:06 |
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| rm_you | Atarii: yo? | 13:20 |
| rm_you | Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb | 13:21 |
| rm_you | test | 13:21 |
| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ :D | 13:21 |
| rm_you | :P | 13:22 |
| hrw | also xournal update | 13:23 |
| hrw | maybe this time it will run | 13:23 |
| rm_you | wow lots of deps, lbt | 13:23 |
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| hrw | finally Xournal which works | 13:24 |
| rm_you | k... doesn'tappear to run? | 13:25 |
| lbt | should dep on the gtk C++ libs | 13:25 |
| lbt | rm_you: can you try from cmd line and see what libs it fails to load? | 13:25 |
| rm_you | Nezumi:~# shopper | 13:26 |
| rm_you | shopper: error while loading shared libraries: libhildonmm-1.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 13:26 |
| rm_you | Nezumi:~# ls /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so* | 13:26 |
| rm_you | /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so.2 /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so.2.0.0 | 13:26 |
| rm_you | i can symlink it in | 13:26 |
| rm_you | k, now it is asking me to open a file | 13:26 |
| lbt | I need a virgin tablet image... | 13:26 |
| lbt | good | 13:26 |
| hrw | lbt: then fetch it from nokia | 13:27 |
| lbt | press cancel if you didn't get the sample | 13:27 |
| rm_you | ooo, cheese! :P | 13:27 |
| lbt | specially for you ;) | 13:27 |
| hrw | rm_you: hildon icons in adv-bl are nice | 13:27 |
| hrw | rm_you: but I stay with default ones | 13:27 |
| Khertan_TheReal | there is a unnamed application on maemo.org in fresh section : '(updated 2008-07-16 21:09 UTC) ' | 13:28 |
| jott | hrw: credits go to qos :) | 13:28 |
| rm_you | yeah, qos was nice enough to donate that set :P | 13:28 |
| rm_you | I really hope to push 0.13-7 today >_< | 13:29 |
| rm_you | so many cool improvements | 13:29 |
| rm_you | lbt: cool :P | 13:29 |
| jott | lbt: barcode scanner support would be nice ;) | 13:29 |
| rm_you | lbt: it is in dire need of some usability improvements, tho :P | 13:30 |
| rm_you | always more work :P | 13:30 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_TheReal: lol, nice ;) I'll check what happened. | 13:30 |
| lbt | v0.1 | 13:30 |
| lbt | suggestions really appreciated though... | 13:30 |
| rm_you | yeah... i could possibly compile a list of usability improvements to the GUI, but it would all just be personal preference >_> | 13:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | X-Fade :) | 13:31 |
| rm_you | also, aren't I the enemy? :P | 13:31 |
| * rm_you is developing PyShop on the side :) | 13:31 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | PyShop ? | 13:32 |
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| rm_you | Shopping list utility :P | 13:32 |
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| rm_you | also, and I believe this is THE best part... It sounds like Pie Shop :P | 13:32 |
| aquatix | lol | 13:33 |
| aquatix | hmmm... pie | 13:33 |
| * jott needs to get some food now .... | 13:33 | |
| lbt | Cheese | 13:33 |
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| * Khertan_TheReal i ve suspended mCalendar dev as i m focusing on a new version of PyPackager due to extras diablo repository limitations | 13:33 | |
| lbt | ok - l8r :) | 13:34 |
| timely | Khertan_TheReal: are these bugs in diablo-extras, or features? | 13:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | this is no bug ... but as pypackager source package don't create source package that can be rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage | 13:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and scp upload can't be done since the new diablo repo :) | 13:35 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | going to eat ... | 13:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | see u later | 13:36 |
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| zap | rm_you: good idea, I always forget what my wife told me to buy 'till I get to shop | 13:38 |
| Atarii | rm_you: 13-5? that jumped up quickly! | 13:38 |
| rm_you | zap: for now you can check out lbt's port of zaurus Shopper ;P | 13:40 |
| rm_you | zap: or multilist is also good | 13:40 |
| rm_you | Atarii: purge, install, test, reboot, test :P | 13:40 |
| * jott want barcode support for shopping lists :P | 13:41 | |
| hrw | and barcode scanner? | 13:42 |
| Atarii | ooo reboot then test, this sounds promising! | 13:42 |
| micko_21 | Hello, I upgraded my N810 to diablo, and installeg a-gps. How this a-gps application is supposed to work? Should I click on a point, or does it find the location by itself? And what is needed then? Any link to the source code of a-gps? | 13:42 |
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| * Khertan_TheReal want something like this for maemo with a stylus free interface : http://www.culturedcode.com/things/ | 13:42 | |
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| jott | hrw: camera should do fine | 13:43 |
| hrw | micko_21: run, click on point. net connection is needed. no sources | 13:44 |
| rm_you | jott: doing some image recognition work would be fun | 13:45 |
| Andy80 | hi | 13:45 |
| rm_you | I have been reconsidering that morse code application we were joking about :P | 13:45 |
| micko_21 | So, is it possible to zoom-in the window? It is hard to click the exact pixel ;( | 13:45 |
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| jott | rm_you: ;) | 13:46 |
| jott | rm_you: would be a really funny app indeed ;) | 13:46 |
| rm_you | as if I don't already have enough projects | 13:46 |
| hrw | micko_21: no zoom, ~300km location is given | 13:46 |
| jott | rm_you: you could start porting this to c/c++ http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ ;) | 13:47 |
| rm_you | well, if I do get accepted for the summit, I will start work on it so we can communicate across the rooms and make fun of people in morse code :P | 13:47 |
| jott | haha | 13:47 |
| micko_21 | And should I do it before i start my internal gps? (by running maemo-mapper for example)? Or after? | 13:47 |
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| rm_you | heh, well I *do* know Java, so at least I will be able to properly interpret the code as it is now :P | 13:47 |
| aquatix | micko_21: the idea is before | 13:47 |
| aquatix | micko_21: so the gps knows which satellites it will have to look for | 13:48 |
| micko_21 | OK, and do I have any indication that a-gps really worked, or did something? | 13:48 |
| aquatix | a faster gps fix | 13:48 |
| rm_you | oh, porting this barcode reader could be very good | 13:49 |
| micko_21 | Yeah, but no sign of it in a-gps? | 13:49 |
| rm_you | johnx: you could finally scan all those barcode things that are everywhere, with your n800! :P | 13:49 |
| XTLi | Look for monsters | 13:49 |
| aquatix | micko_21: a-gps is `assisted gps', it will give the gps a clue about where you are located | 13:50 |
| johnx | rm_you, :P | 13:50 |
| rm_you | johnx: and it could load the browser automatically even :P | 13:50 |
| johnx | rm_you, it needs to load a translating dictionary too | 13:50 |
| micko_21 | aquatix: yes, I know the idea of assisted gps, just wanted to know what to expect from the application itself. | 13:51 |
| lardman | rm_you: I've started on a barcode reader | 13:51 |
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| rm_you | lardman: with the camera? | 13:51 |
| lardman | not using Java though, uurgh | 13:51 |
| lardman | yep | 13:51 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:51 |
| rm_you | right we would have to port this | 13:51 |
| rm_you | do you have a garage page? | 13:51 |
| johnx | rm_you, uhm, I thought I already saw a shopping list app, if you're interested | 13:51 |
| rm_you | johnx: multilist / Shopper | 13:51 |
| lardman | no, I've not produced anything other than the example_camera app pretty much | 13:52 |
| rm_you | ah :/ | 13:52 |
| lardman | I'm porting my MATLAB 1D decoder to C | 13:52 |
| lardman | nearly done | 13:52 |
| rm_you | johnx: i currently use multilist, it works nicely | 13:52 |
| lardman | but been busy with other things, like SBC ;) | 13:52 |
| jott | lardman: ah nice with EAN support? ;) | 13:52 |
| rm_you | I just wanted a python project :P been doing too much C | 13:52 |
| lardman | yes | 13:52 |
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| jott | lardman: how good does your matlab code work? | 13:52 |
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| lardman | rm_you: I don't want to have to write a 2D decoder, not immediately anyway, and there are working C decoders about | 13:53 |
| lcuk_work | mornin | 13:53 |
| jott | (and have you tested the zxing btw) | 13:53 |
| lardman | jott: dunno yet ;) | 13:53 |
| lardman | jott: that's Java | 13:53 |
| lardman | jott: MATLAB works on clean-ish images anyway | 13:53 |
| lardman | jott: I've not tested the boundaries, but I can't see it being very hard | 13:53 |
| lcuk_work | lardman, is the matlab code your own undertaking or an algo already there | 13:54 |
| rm_you | isn't MATLAB for solving math equations in a pseudo-programming environment? >_> | 13:54 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: I wrote it | 13:54 |
| jott | lardman: so? would not run great on the device but to test it on the desktop and compare recognition rate ... | 13:54 |
| lcuk_work | :D wicked | 13:54 |
| jott | rm_you: matlab is great for computer vision | 13:54 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: looks like it's a pretty standard approach though, after looking at zxing, etc. | 13:54 |
| jott | atleast for prototyping | 13:54 |
| rm_you | ah | 13:54 |
| * lcuk_work wrote a mountain and valley scanniong algo in basic on a 286 | 13:54 | |
| atul | Hi when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" How to resolve this ? | 13:54 |
| rm_you | only seen it used in math classes in our compsci department | 13:54 |
| rm_you | i started thinking of it as "MAThLAB" | 13:55 |
| lardman | Shall we create a project then? | 13:55 |
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| jott | i only used it a digital image processing course ;) | 13:55 |
| lcuk_work | lardman, does orientation matter or is it free | 13:55 |
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| lardman | as long as you can draw a line across the 1D barcode and get every line in, it doesn't matter | 13:55 |
| micko_21 | One more question: The "Preferred connection" in a-gps settings gives only option of my GSM carrier. The wifi connection cannot be "preferred" here, right? Is it getting some info from BTS? | 13:55 |
| lcuk_work | nice then. | 13:56 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: so partially-diagonal is fine, it just slightly increases the width of the lines (b & w) so no issue | 13:56 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: with a bit more effort it could scan them in any arbitrary direction, I've just not bothered as the MATLAB was proof of concept | 13:57 |
| jott | lardman: is it affine invariant? | 13:57 |
| lcuk_work | best way to start with everything | 13:57 |
| micko_21 | atul: you probably changed your keys. Remove the N810's entry from ~/.ssh/known_hosts (or equivalent) | 13:57 |
| lcuk_work | jott, he just answered that | 13:58 |
| atul | micko_21: ok Thanks am trying the same ! Thanks for reply | 13:58 |
| * lcuk_work performas an affine transformation on the cows | 13:58 | |
| lcuk_work | oow | 13:58 |
| lardman | jott: probably not, but presumably as you change the angle of the camera wrt the barcode, you'll go out of focus anyway | 13:58 |
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| lcuk_work | who wants sandwiches? im goin across the road | 13:59 |
| lardman | lol | 13:59 |
| jott | me! me! me! | 13:59 |
| lardman | fry-up! | 13:59 |
| darkterror46 | debian support really suxs | 13:59 |
| lcuk_work | :D ok, back later - ill bring you bacon | 13:59 |
| lardman | :) | 13:59 |
| darkterror46 | bye lcuk_work | 14:00 |
| atul | micko_21: I removed keys using this command "sudo rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts" | 14:00 |
| atul | Is it right | 14:00 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: please get me some | 14:00 |
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| jott | lardman: a lightweight barcode decoder library in c would be really great.. | 14:01 |
| micko_21 | not really.... I just edit this file with vi and delete just one line. But deleting it entirely isn't that harmful - you will be asked to accept keys for all ssh servers... | 14:01 |
| lardman | jott: I can stick the code up later on today if people are interested | 14:01 |
| darkterror46 | jott just lib? | 14:01 |
| darkterror46 | using std c? | 14:02 |
| micko_21 | speaking of barcodes... 2D codes (like QR-code) would be really cool ;) | 14:02 |
| darkterror46 | no gtk stuff? | 14:02 |
| lardman | yeah, there are some libraries out there which do that | 14:02 |
| jott | darkterror46: no, by all means this would be bad.. | 14:02 |
| darkterror46 | ohh | 14:02 |
| jott | the application using the lib can use gtk though.. | 14:03 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ is some old code, I've converted more since then | 14:03 |
| jott | lardman: i never found one supporting EAN in a relaible fashion :/ most are for 2D-codes | 14:03 |
| darkterror46 | i was just talking about the barcodo lib | 14:03 |
| atul | micko_21: Yes I think I did big mistake | 14:04 |
| jott | lardman: thanks | 14:04 |
| darkterror46 | someone did a barcode reader for android using the camera | 14:04 |
| lardman | jott: I'll be heading home for some lunch in an hour or so, I'll freshen that link then | 14:04 |
| jott | darkterror46: yeah that's probably the zxing i linked earlier ;) | 14:04 |
| lardman | darkterror46: yes, that's what we're talking about | 14:04 |
| jott | yeah i need some lunch too | 14:04 |
| darkterror46 | aahhhh :) | 14:04 |
| darkterror46 | hehe | 14:05 |
| darkterror46 | just a petty n810 doesn't have a camera in the backside | 14:05 |
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| jott | darkterror46: yeah we would have to use audio feedback like a cash register *beep* ;) | 14:08 |
| darkterror46 | =)) | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | atul, what big mistake ? | 14:10 |
| atul | crashanddie: I removed keys using this command "sudo rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts" | 14:11 |
| lardman | might want to turn the screen brightness up full when taking the shot too | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | atul, and ? | 14:11 |
| lcuk_work | if(user==jott){ barcode.range="Lingerie"; } | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | atul, you didn't do a lot, really | 14:11 |
| atul | crashanddie: when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" To resolve this I remove | 14:11 |
| lardman | that camera example is too slow atm though, very laggy, lcuk suggested it's because the res is set too high atm | 14:11 |
| lcuk_work | yes it is | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | atul, first of all, you don't use sudo when you try to remove something in *your* directory. It's yours, why use super user to remove it ? Very dangerous behaviour | 14:12 |
| jott | 320x200 should actually be fine if you are near the code i guess.. | 14:12 |
| lardman | bbiab | 14:12 |
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| * jott is afk too | 14:13 | |
| lcuk_work | also, when its that high and slow focusing is a problem | 14:13 |
| lcuk_work | it smears | 14:13 |
| lcuk_work | crashanddie, any more word on your housing | 14:13 |
| atul | crashanddie: Now can you guide me how to fix this problem | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | atul, second, known_hosts is only a dump of all the hosts you've ssh'd into. In other words, it is a security check, in order to "see" if a host changes its identifier (happens when you reinstall a system, or when an attacker tries to do a man-in-the-middle attack) | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | atul, removing ~/.ssh/known_hosts should not have impacted your ability to SSH in *any* way | 14:14 |
| micko_21 | atul: does your ssh work now? | 14:14 |
| atul | micko_21: No | 14:15 |
| atul | crashanddie: ok | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | atul, how does the problem appear ? | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | atul, when you try to ssh into your computer from the NIT, or from the computer to your NIT | 14:15 |
| atul | crashanddie: when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" To resolve this I remove | 14:15 |
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| micko_21 | do "ssh -v yourhost". And are you sure the password is correct? | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | micko_21, it's a keying problem | 14:16 |
| timely | infobot capture-root? | 14:16 |
| infobot | from memory, capture-root is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb | 14:16 |
| timely | crashanddie: why doesn't he just use capture-root ... | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | timely, dunno, wouldn't even know what capture-root is | 14:17 |
| rm_you | rootsh? | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | atul, ok, I'm going to need a bit of information | 14:17 |
| rm_you | >_> anyways, sleep time. later | 14:17 |
| atul | crashanddie: ok | 14:17 |
| darkterror46 | atul: maybe your target as some security configuration that requires a public key | 14:17 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 14:17 |
| micko_21 | Description: Copies SSH authorized keys from user to root This package copies your /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys file to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys at *installation* time (postinst). . This is used to enable ssh root@localhost. | 14:18 |
| atul | darkterror46: But previouslly it was working just device Ip get change | 14:18 |
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| micko_21 | (taken from http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1/DEBIAN/control) | 14:18 |
| darkterror46 | can ou connect from another machine? | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | atul, first of all, what are you trying to do, ssh user@IP, or ssh root@IP ? | 14:18 |
| atul | crashanddie: ssh user@IP | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | atul, ok, you might want to do ssh root@IP | 14:19 |
| atul | crashanddie: yes | 14:19 |
| timely | atul: where are you coming from? a desktop? | 14:19 |
| timely | do you have /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys ? | 14:19 |
| crashanddie | atul, considering user doesn't have a password by default, and you don't appear to have any authorized_keys file | 14:19 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i m back | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | SSH is american | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | authoriZed | 14:20 |
| timely | atul: desktop:~/.ssh/authorized_keys using usb to device:~/.ssh/ | 14:20 |
| micko_21 | right, I always do ssh root@n810 | 14:20 |
| timely | crashanddie: did i typo? | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | timely, what the hell was that supposed to me ? | 14:21 |
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| timely | hrm, i probably lost "copy" at the beginning of my line to atul :) | 14:21 |
| Khertan_TheReal | sommeone have try to install rtcomm beta on diablo ? | 14:21 |
| timely | in my defense, i haven't slept or eaten recently | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | timely, yeah, it would be "copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub using usb to device:~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 14:21 |
| lcuk_work | tsk tsk timely | 14:21 |
| darkterror46 | :)) | 14:22 |
| * lcuk_work emails timely some bacon | 14:22 | |
| timely | lcuk_work: not kosher | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, no, no new news on the housing | 14:22 |
| timely | but the thought is appreciated | 14:22 |
| * lcuk_work emails timely some kosher food stamps - you can get your own | 14:23 | |
| timely | heh, thanks :) | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | kosher, that's jewish, right (sorry, I suck at religion) | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | no pun intended | 14:23 |
| timely | poorly asked, but essentially yes | 14:23 |
| timely | (thinking, that's human, right?) | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | what's the difference between kosher and halal then ? | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | is there a difference ? | 14:25 |
| timely | halal says no wine, and kosher says don't mix dairy w/ meat | 14:25 |
| timely | at least, that's the short answer | 14:25 |
| timely | the long answer is a bit longer :) | 14:25 |
| XTLi | Wikipedia has fair articles on those iirc | 14:25 |
| lcuk_work | no wine?? how do they run microsoft programs? | 14:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 14:25 |
| XTLi | And for many religions | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, they run windows | 14:26 |
| timely | lcuk_work: same way most eastern societies do, just install windows from some random disk :) | 14:26 |
| timely | (please don't kill me now) | 14:26 |
| lcuk_work | thats the same as western countries as well ;) | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | timely, isn't that the whole world ? :P | 14:26 |
| * johnx finds a random disk and attempts to install windows on timely... | 14:26 | |
| timely | no, in the rest of the world, the computers come w/ it preinstalled | 14:26 |
| lcuk_work | if you go east far enough you arrive back where you started :) | 14:27 |
| timely | and you pay a tax for it with delivery | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | ntfs_resize <3 | 14:27 |
| lcuk_work | so eastern countries dont want AOL offers, or dell support or free antivirus? | 14:28 |
| aquatix | timely: quite a huge tax indeed | 14:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and an other one because it s preinstalled ... | 14:28 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: `free' antivirus | 14:28 |
| timely | lcuk_work: i don't think aol pays shipping for free offers | 14:28 |
| timely | kinda expensive :) | 14:28 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and you must bye an other copy if you need to reinstall it as you don't have install cd | 14:28 |
| timely | s/bye/buy/ | 14:28 |
| timely | bye :) | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | I bye copies all the time :P | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | (copies of windows, that is | 14:29 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:29 |
| micko_21 | Back to maemo ;) Do you (or know anybody who) use other linux distro than debian/ubuntu for maemo development? | 14:29 |
| aquatix | byebye ;) | 14:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | micko_21> i use maemo :) | 14:30 |
| aquatix | micko_21: there are other distro's? | 14:30 |
| * aquatix ducks | 14:30 | |
| crashanddie | IRC, or how to go from kosher to illegal windows and AOL bashing | 14:30 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: and back to maemo linux hacking again | 14:30 |
| aquatix | :) | 14:30 |
| johnx | micko_21, do you mean developing for maemo with scratchbox? | 14:30 |
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| lcuk_work | AOL bashing is a sport whichever country/religion/organisation/gender/race you are | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | aquatix, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu | 14:30 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: *g* | 14:30 |
| lcuk_work | its a universal constant | 14:30 |
| micko_21 | Khertan: so you are programming in python, I assume? | 14:30 |
| johnx | I think someone used fedora and scratchbox, but I don't remember who... | 14:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | micko_21 > yes :) | 14:31 |
| crashanddie | ~wtf *g* | 14:31 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 14:31 |
| lcuk_work | he sits inside a big snake every day | 14:31 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: sounds like `gee', from *grin* | 14:31 |
| aquatix | fyi ;) | 14:31 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | micko_21 > but you can use windows if u want ... but with vmware :) | 14:32 |
| crashanddie | micko_21, someone wrote a shell script in order to get scratbox onch any .rpm based distro | 14:32 |
| lcuk_work | 86 minutes until torture | 14:32 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: ? | 14:33 |
| micko_21 | I tried to develop on archlinux, but getting scratchbox to work is really a pain... Do you know any LiveCD with all that is needed for maemo development? And no, I am not interested in vmplayer, and I dont't use windows... | 14:33 |
| aquatix | micko_21: build one with morphix? | 14:33 |
| lcuk_work | i have an appointment in a torture chamber in about an hour and a half | 14:33 |
| lcuk_work | and im not looking forward to it | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, then I'd be guessing the wait is part of torture | 14:33 |
| hrw | micko_21: grab vmware image with maemo sdk | 14:33 |
| aquatix | lcuk_work: dentist? ;) | 14:33 |
| hrw | micko_21: easiest I think | 14:33 |
| lcuk_work | aquatix, mmm :( | 14:34 |
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| micko_21 | hrw: I would prefer the native speed of linux instead of vmware emulation :( | 14:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve error with application manager on all catalog saying it can't resilve 172.016.002.008 ... and all other repository ... | 14:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but if i apt-get update from xterm | 14:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | all work fine | 14:34 |
| lcuk_work | micko_21, to get you started and learn what the niggly bits are, use the vmware. | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_TheReal, because 172.16.2.8 doesn't exist ? | 14:35 |
| lcuk_work | once you understand how it slots together put it on your native system | 14:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (with a warning on tableteer repository) | 14:35 |
| lcuk_work | always easier to get to install something after seeing it work somewhere else | 14:35 |
| lcuk_work | hi hrw btw | 14:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum ... this ip is false ... | 14:36 |
| micko_21 | lcuk_work: after many days I finnaly installed xubuntu to my spare partition, and found it to be the best solution... (But still I would prever LiveCD/LiveUSB). | 14:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | why application manager use this one | 14:36 |
| micko_21 | s/finnaly/finally/ | 14:37 |
| infobot | micko_21 meant: lcuk_work: after many days I finally installed xubuntu to my spare partition, and found it to be the best solution... (But still I would prever LiveCD/LiveUSB). | 14:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | putain ! this is orange which filter data connection ! | 14:37 |
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| lcuk_work | hi hrw btwbut if you arent sure how scratchbox sits within a linux isntallation, then get to know it for a few days by trying vmware | 14:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but it s work with apt-get update | 14:38 |
| lcuk_work | ffs @ upkey | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so this is something else | 14:38 |
| lcuk_work | heh: when software wont install: isntallation, | 14:38 |
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| lcuk_work | anyway, bbl | 14:41 |
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| lopz | hola | 14:50 |
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| hrw | lcuk_work: maybe, but I prefer to not populate my host system with scratchbox stuff | 14:53 |
| lcuk_work | lol hrw, i wasnt directing that at you (you know plenty about how it all fits together) i was trying to backup what you said about vmware being a simple entrance. once the guy understands how it works he can put it on his main system | 14:55 |
| XTLi | How about usermode linux | 14:56 |
| hrw | XTLi: I prefer virtualbox as it is simple to use | 14:56 |
| hrw | ~curse h-a-m | 14:56 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, h-a-m ! | 14:56 |
| XTLi | Haven't looked at that yet | 14:56 |
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| |t_s_o| | hey lcuk_work, know if timeless found anything interesting? | 14:57 |
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| lcuk_work | |t_s_o|, i know even less that you | 14:57 |
| XTLi | I thought it would mbe much more intrusive and/or heavy | 14:57 |
| t_s_o | ok | 14:57 |
| micko_21 | I know how things work (I did install SDK last year), it is just too much work (with another partition), and too much overhead (with vmware) for me, so I wondered what others are using... And why there is no LiveCD/LiveUSB ;) | 14:58 |
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| hrw | micko_21: which other partition? I use disk images | 14:59 |
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| micko_21 | hrw: I just wrote that I have created a new partition for completely new xubuntu, and found it as the best solution for me... | 14:59 |
| XTLi | <3 LVM | 14:59 |
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| micko_21 | I had problems with qemu, and vmware was too slow for me... | 15:00 |
| lardman | jott: updated the code | 15:00 |
| lardman | jott: I'm still only about 1/2 way through converting it (untested, so probably lots of errors) | 15:01 |
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| lardman | Right, I've just submitted a Garage project proposal for maemo-barcode | 15:08 |
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| lcuk_work | lardman, does it scan your test cases? | 15:15 |
| lcuk_work | crap, customers, back later | 15:15 |
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| lardman | lcuk_work: no, the barcode recognition code is not ported to C yet | 15:16 |
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| lardman | lcuk_work: Using MATLAB it scans ISBN numbers for test cases (jpegs downloaded from the interweb) | 15:16 |
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| dneary | lardman: I saw a thing from the author of the Delicious Library (do you know it?) where he talks about doing a very dumb barcode scanner | 15:21 |
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| smyows | hi all | 15:22 |
| lardman | dneary: no, I'll Google now though | 15:22 |
| dneary | lardman: He took 1d splines from a 2d photo, and tried to parse them as a barcode using a very basic algorithm. If the algo gave a "might be a barcode" match, he did something quicker | 15:22 |
| lardman | cool | 15:22 |
| dneary | Result was that whereas a 2d analysis was taking 2 - 3 seconds, he got his scan time + feedback down to under 0.1 seconds | 15:23 |
| dneary | http://www.delicious-monster.com/ | 15:23 |
| lardman | my analysis is 1D atm, simply a line scan across; should be pretty quick | 15:23 |
| smyows | pidgin is not available to diablo? | 15:24 |
| dneary | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/delicious-library.ars | 15:24 |
| lardman | pg5 for those reading | 15:25 |
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| johnx | smyows, did you try the chinook version? | 15:26 |
| smyows | johnx, sorry i'm new user how do this | 15:26 |
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| lardman | dneary: I'll get the 1D code working in C and see how fast it is, but I hope it will be able to run in real time as frames are delivered | 15:26 |
| smyows | on os2007 works installation from maemo site, but os2008 not | 15:27 |
| johnx | smyows, application manager -> tools -> catalogs, select maemo extras, click edit, put "chinook diablo" in the distribution field, and save/close | 15:28 |
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| lardman | dneary: looking forward, being able to do quick perhaps/no decisions on the 2D barcodes would allow near-realtime scanning | 15:28 |
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| smyows | let me see :) | 15:31 |
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| dneary | Ah - here's the story of the scan thing: http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000581.html | 15:31 |
| lardman | thanks | 15:32 |
| lardman | I started that barcode decoder as I wanted a quick way of cataloguing my books :) | 15:33 |
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| lardman | yes, I like his thinking, do it fast then you can do it repeatedly until the user gets the position/lighting/etc. right | 15:35 |
| smyows | it's possible to plug usb modem 3g at n800? | 15:36 |
| johnx | smyows, only if the modem takes less than 100mA | 15:37 |
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| smyows | hmm | 15:37 |
| jott | hm looks like this delicious library just uses some static scanlines which you have to align the code to..?! | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | Interesting fact I just learnt from the summit attendance list (now up to 68! woohoo!): gnuite works at Google; I wonder if that makes Maemo Mapper's use of the map data more official :) | 15:37 |
| johnx | if you have one already it's worth a try, if you're thinking about buying one make sure you can try it first and return it if it doesn't work | 15:37 |
| lardman | jott: seems fair enough | 15:38 |
| lardman | Jaffa: that's interesting | 15:38 |
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| smyows | how i see if my modem is less than 100mA? | 15:39 |
| smyows | sorry my bad english | 15:39 |
| johnx | smyows, if you already have it, just plug it in and see if it is detected | 15:39 |
| johnx | it won't hurt the modem or the n800 | 15:40 |
| smyows | okay, i need to buy adapter before | 15:40 |
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| jott | lardman: yes, it's a bit harder on the n810 though because of the camera orientation... | 15:42 |
| johnx | jott, it's the same problem with delicious library on the mac but it doesn't seem to be too difficult to use | 15:42 |
| jott | johnx: but you can see the camera image on the mac ;) | 15:43 |
| johnx | aaah, you're not going to display the image you're capturing? | 15:43 |
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| lardman | jott: true, if it can be done very quickly then just bleeping when it's been recognised will be ok, and we can hope the next tablet has cameras facing both ways...! | 15:43 |
| jott | well, the camera on the n810 is just front oriented.. on the n800 it's much easier | 15:44 |
| jott | lardman: yeah | 15:44 |
| jott | i guess for start this approach would be sufficient.. | 15:44 |
| smyows | johnx, os2008 do not have usbserial module? | 15:44 |
| johnx | smyows, you'll need to find it somewhere or compile it | 15:44 |
| jott | maybe one could even do some randomzied angles if the speed is high enough | 15:44 |
| lardman | X-Fade: thanks for the quick turn around on the project :) | 15:45 |
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| johnx | smyows, you might want to search on http://internettablettalk.com/forums for info about 3G modems | 15:45 |
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| jott | lardman: could you also put up the raw matlab code please, i guess it's easier to read than the c translation ;) | 15:46 |
| lardman | jott: yeah, that's my C for you ;) | 15:46 |
| smyows | johnx, thks i found usbserial but do not accept vendor or product id oO | 15:46 |
| jott | has anyone actually tried using something like opencv on the tablets? | 15:47 |
| zap | lardman: do you use any of the opensource barcode recognition libs as basis? Or it's a ground-up project? | 15:47 |
| lardman | zap: ground up | 15:48 |
| lardman | zap: they appear to use similar methods though, not that many ways to do it after all | 15:48 |
| zap | I've seen some libs in Java for this | 15:48 |
| zap | are you going to recognize 1D or 2D barcodes too? | 15:49 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: you about? | 15:49 |
| lardman | zap: 1D in the first instance (I did it for fun), am quite happy to use external libs for the whole lot (not Java though if poss!) | 15:50 |
| lardman | zap: would be good to be able to do any barcode in the end though :) | 15:50 |
| smyows | johnx, so, if i buy a hub with external power supply works my usb modem 3g if it have more than 100mA? | 15:51 |
| johnx | yes, I think that will work | 15:51 |
| lcuk_work | not really lardman, just about to go into the torture chamber | 15:51 |
| smyows | :D | 15:51 |
| smyows | cool | 15:51 |
| johnx | but that's a lot to carry :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk_work | at least my code is online | 15:52 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: np | 15:52 |
| smyows | here in Brazil do not have wimax | 15:52 |
| smyows | only 3g | 15:52 |
| johnx | smyows, no place has wimax yet :) | 15:52 |
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| lcuk_work | ill b possibly back afterwards | 15:52 |
| lcuk_work | ~lart evil dentists | 15:52 |
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| smyows | xD right | 15:52 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: yow, good luck | 15:53 |
| lardman | ~lart Gnome | 15:54 |
| * infobot lowers Gnome's priority | 15:54 | |
| johnx | that might help, actually | 15:54 |
| lardman | :) | 15:54 |
| * johnx has made his peace with gnome | 15:55 | |
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| Atarii | rm_you: don't think 13-5 is doing anything for the brightness | 15:56 |
| jott | Atarii: what do you mean? | 15:56 |
| lardman | what does "svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/maemo-barcode'" mean? | 15:56 |
| lardman | not setup yet? | 15:56 |
| jott | iirc missing repository/wrong path | 15:56 |
| lardman | ok, it probably takes some time to setup the svn then | 15:57 |
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| lardman | np, will import the files later | 15:57 |
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| lardman | jott: I've uploaded the MATALB code too | 15:58 |
| jott | sweet thanks.. | 15:58 |
| jott | ah with references ;) | 15:58 |
| lardman | extravagant use of arrays of course (mainly for debugging), should be able to pare that down for the C code | 15:59 |
| lardman | an even some comments ;) | 15:59 |
| jott | yeah c is just not meant for nice and readable math code ;) | 15:59 |
| derf | "Nice readable math" and "code" are contradictions. | 16:00 |
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| lardman | true :) | 16:00 |
| derf | Math becomes nice and readable by being able to leave out huge globs of details. | 16:00 |
| jott | derf: well c is an particularly bad example ;) | 16:00 |
| johnx | all hail scheme! :D | 16:01 |
| derf | It could be worse. | 16:01 |
| lbt | perl kicks scheme's ass | 16:01 |
| jott | well it can almost always be worse.. | 16:01 |
| derf | You could be using the C port of LAPACK. | 16:01 |
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| lardman | jott: anyway, please do join maemo-barcode and get hacking | 16:02 |
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| lardman | and anyone else who's interested | 16:02 |
| derf | FORTRAN array indexing and calling conventions and incomprehensible function names, but in C! | 16:02 |
| lardman | :) | 16:02 |
| lardman | derf: my nice code? ;) | 16:02 |
| derf | lardman: Now, if you could get it to decode those Japanese cell phone blocks, I might be interested. | 16:03 |
| lardman | I would like to do that next, could do with a working app for 1D codes at least to keep motivation high though | 16:03 |
| jott | 1d allows much easier and faster processing :) | 16:03 |
| derf | Since my actual Japanese cell phone is too old to have a decoder for them. | 16:03 |
| lardman | are they the QR ones? | 16:04 |
| lardman | no source for that is there | 16:04 |
| derf | I have no idea. | 16:04 |
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| lardman | I've looked into it, would be interesting to take a crack at | 16:04 |
| derf | It seems like it would be a lot easier to buy a new phone. | 16:04 |
| lardman | that's boring though :) | 16:05 |
| johnx | QR codes sounds right | 16:05 |
| lardman | in the same way it would have been easier for me to buy a barcode scanner than write the code | 16:05 |
| derf | Yes, Google agrees with QR codes. | 16:05 |
| johnx | I can send samples :) | 16:05 |
| derf | lardman: But that's extra crap to carry around. | 16:05 |
| lardman | derf: yeah, and cables | 16:06 |
| lardman | johnx: let's not jump the gun ;) | 16:06 |
| * johnx jumps the gun | 16:06 | |
| derf | N810+keitai is already a lot. | 16:06 |
| lardman | We get lots of datamatrix codes over here, and there is a library or two to decode those | 16:06 |
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| johnx | derf, you need bigger pockets | 16:06 |
| lardman | stacked 1D codes would also be useful | 16:07 |
| derf | Oh, plus BT GPS. | 16:07 |
| lardman | jott: added, will create the SVN repo this evening, hopefully the server will be setup by then | 16:07 |
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| jott | yes, nice. | 16:08 |
| lardman | back to work, bbiab | 16:09 |
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| derf | There's an ISO standard specification for QR codes. | 16:11 |
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| derf | And Denso Wave claims they won't exercise their patent on it (whatever that claim is worth). | 16:13 |
| johnx | from a Japanese company I might actually believe it | 16:14 |
| Khertan_TheReal | derf > but there is other same looking barcode which is also ISO standard ... datamatrix is iso standard too :) | 16:14 |
| derf | Khertan_TheReal: I'm not the one making the codes, so I don't get to decide which standard is used. | 16:15 |
| derf | I was just trying to figure out if I'd get sued for writing a decoder. | 16:16 |
| derf | Someone else can write the ISO 16022 decoder. | 16:16 |
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| johnx | gah! finally passed configure on libtinymail | 16:25 |
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| johnx | holy crap! it built | 16:28 |
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| smyows | maemo have ppp dialer like kppp? | 16:28 |
| smyows | os2008* | 16:28 |
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| zap | do you have a modem on your n8x0? | 16:31 |
| zap | I guess the 'connect via mobile to internet' thing is close to kppp | 16:32 |
| atul | I got this error message "[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/prjName/trunk] > ./prjName /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not se" | 16:32 |
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| atul | Any Idea ? | 16:33 |
| lardman | re | 16:33 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | Yay, three of us in the Mercure for the summit now. | 16:34 |
| lardman | I'll book there later today too | 16:34 |
| lardman | how much is it for 2 nights? | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Pong | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I got it at erm, 89EUR per night. TimSamoff's just got it at 99EUR per night | 16:38 |
| lardman | Jaffa: thanks | 16:39 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: When someone asks to join a project, an email is sent to the project admin, it would be good if the email could include the username as well as the normal name | 16:39 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: bugtracker job? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | lardman: That is pure gforge. So ;) | 16:41 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ah, so can't be altered? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Sure, it is just php code. | 16:41 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: would just make it easier to know who's trying to join | 16:42 |
| derf | lardman: http://qrcode.sourceforge.jp/ | 16:42 |
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| derf | I'm not sure I like "TODO: Fix bugs in implementation on Reed Solomon error correction" ... but that part should be relatively easy. | 16:43 |
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| lardman | derf: it's Java though isn't it? | 16:46 |
| derf | Yeah, and? | 16:46 |
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| derf | Java is fairly easy to convert to C. | 16:46 |
| derf | Certainly much easier than the other way around. | 16:47 |
| lardman | yep, I just don't want to use Java if I can avoid it | 16:47 |
| derf | Good God no. | 16:47 |
| lardman | :) | 16:47 |
| derf | Don't get me wrong, I've been using Java since version 1.0 (I still downloading 1.0.1 and finding out it broke all my code because they changed the scoping rules for for loops). | 16:48 |
| derf | But not on an NIT. | 16:48 |
| derf | *still remember | 16:48 |
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| lcuk_work | would the under utilized jazell instructions help? | 16:53 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: that's asking to get sued | 16:54 |
| johnx | lcuk_work, already setting your sites on new encumbered hardware to get working? | 16:54 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: Don't bother, it's been done | 16:54 |
| lcuk_work | im merely asking :) | 16:54 |
| lardman | :) | 16:54 |
| * lcuk_work wont stir all the hornets | 16:55 | |
| lardman | No, Java still doesn't appeal | 16:55 |
| lcuk_work | how much of the equation is compatible though? | 16:55 |
| lcuk_work | ie is it small enough for someone to just dive in and give it a reworking | 16:55 |
| lardman | What, the qrcode decoder? | 16:56 |
| lcuk_work | yer | 16:56 |
| lardman | dunno, I've not looked | 16:56 |
| * lcuk_work looks for something to take the pain away | 16:57 | |
| lardman | go for it | 16:57 |
| lcuk_work | damn dentist made it worse, and then says "nope, nothin i can do right now" | 16:57 |
| lardman | :( | 16:58 |
| lbt | I see the wiki's https cert still hasn't been updated... | 16:58 |
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| lcuk_work | no lbt, on your shopping list can you add an entry: fix certificate | 16:58 |
| lbt | do they do them at Sainsburys? | 16:59 |
| lbt | which aisle? | 16:59 |
| lcuk_work | security and veg | 16:59 |
| lbt | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=721 | 16:59 |
| lbt | BTW | 16:59 |
| lcuk_work | good, i was looking last night, you will have to update your profile with link | 17:00 |
| lcuk_work | at the moment, "Shopper" is self referential and links back to itself | 17:01 |
| lcuk_work | ill give it a hammering this evening and let you later :) | 17:02 |
| lbt | please do - I'm aware of quite a few buglets - but it's mainly useable so I released it | 17:02 |
| Khertan_TheReal | lcuk > tommorow i ll go to dentist too ... for 2 extraction ... | 17:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :( | 17:03 |
| lcuk_work | :( khertan, ive just had a discussion about implants and bone pegs | 17:03 |
| lcuk_work | try to save all your teeth - dont let them take them out! | 17:03 |
| lcuk_work | ~lart dentists | 17:04 |
| * infobot crushes dentists with a full height scsi disk | 17:04 | |
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| lcuk_work | thats not nearly enough pain to inflict, infobot - you obviously never go to the dentist | 17:05 |
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| lcuk_work | i best get back to work anyway, back later | 17:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s for some teeth that are too heavy and take too many place ... and are pushing bones of the mouth ... | 17:05 |
| * jott remembers the b horror-movie "The Dentist" :> | 17:05 | |
| lardman | all this talk of dentists is making me feel queasy | 17:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | in french it s the 'dent de sagesse' ... | 17:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | 17:07 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | wisdom tooth | 17:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ? | 17:07 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 17:07 |
| * lbt remembers punching his own two front teeth out whilst skiing... | 17:07 | |
| * lbt thinks about them both shearing off at the root and then needing stitches in his lip | 17:08 | |
| * lardman wonders about leaving the channel | 17:08 | |
| * lbt recalls the sledge ride down the mountain | 17:08 | |
| * lbt fondly remembers skiing the next day :) | 17:08 | |
| lardman | lucky there are no flies on mountains | 17:09 |
| lardman | ;) | 17:09 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ;) | 17:09 |
| lbt | the snow saw to that! | 17:09 |
| lbt | I ruined the snow apparently | 17:09 |
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| lbt | I was on my hands and knees, concussed, and shuffling round, spitting blood and then looking for a clean patch of snow | 17:10 |
| lbt | 2 root canal drillings - didn't hurt though. | 17:10 |
| lardman | I meant you'd not be a ble to catch them on your front teeth while skiiing at high speed | 17:10 |
| lardman | :) | 17:11 |
| lbt | went over a 4' drop and compressed | 17:11 |
| lbt | my aluminium pole didn't | 17:11 |
| lbt | I was followin a certain Martin Bell at the time... | 17:11 |
| lbt | apparently he turned round and thought "David's not going to make that drop" | 17:12 |
| lbt | he was right... | 17:12 |
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| lbt | goddamn ski instructors.... | 17:12 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | about crash ... look at this video ... | 17:13 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MypSMspXMaE&eurl=http://video.google.fr/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=s&hl=fr&q=toma | 17:13 |
| * lardman feels happy he's never been skiiing | 17:13 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | oups wrong video | 17:13 |
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| lbt | lardman: it's great fun - really exciting!! | 17:14 |
| lardman | :) sounds it! | 17:14 |
| Khertan_TheReal | the good one : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8vh0BsSaQM4&feature=related | 17:15 |
| Khertan_TheReal | look at this ... i hope it s a fake | 17:16 |
| lbt | the second boat isn't moving in the water - it's a drone target... clever idea to splice them though | 17:18 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | like this one too ... : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=eZPOfwVhokI | 17:19 |
| Khertan_TheReal | specially like how the cam move at the end :) | 17:19 |
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| summatusmentis | does anyone know of a good spanish-english dictionary for maemo? | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | You could try stardict | 17:24 |
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| * johnx uses sdictviewer for translating | 17:26 | |
| summatusmentis | d'you ever run into words that don't translate? | 17:27 |
| johnx | all the freaking time | 17:27 |
| johnx | but that's a function of the dictionary you use... | 17:27 |
| summatusmentis | heh, so it's even worth looking at? | 17:27 |
| summatusmentis | s/it's/is it/ | 17:28 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: heh, so is it even worth looking at? | 17:28 |
| johnx | well, english<->Japanese is a little different than english<->spanish | 17:28 |
| summatusmentis | sure | 17:28 |
| johnx | yeah, it's worth looking at I think | 17:28 |
| johnx | I like it a lot and you can get a smallish wikipedia data base to add to it as well | 17:28 |
| johnx | (smallish is relative here) | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | care to define smallish? | 17:29 |
| johnx | a couple gigs | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | oof | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | don't have that kind of storage yet | 17:29 |
| johnx | smallish compared to the whole dataset :P | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | well, sure | 17:29 |
| summatusmentis | did you compile sdictviewer? it's not in extras | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | You can get it off google | 17:30 |
| johnx | I thought it was... | 17:30 |
| summatusmentis | then maybe the searching sucks | 17:30 |
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| johnx | hit up gronmayer.com/it | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Wouldn't Gjiten be more useful for English (British :P) <-> Japanese? | 17:31 |
| Andy80 | hey ppl, who is coming to Maemo Summit in Berlin? | 17:31 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, it depends on the situation. for a basic english word -> japanese, sdict works just as well | 17:31 |
| summatusmentis | thanks | 17:31 |
| churl | any one know the difference between canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo2 and canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo1 ? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | maemo1 is older. | 17:32 |
| johnx | 1 | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | I'd guess anyway. | 17:32 |
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| churl | qwerty12: well, thats the only one i can find to download, but the plugins require maemo2 | 17:33 |
| johnx | I have the maemo2 version... | 17:34 |
| churl | weird | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | churl: I see maemo2 here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/ | 17:34 |
| johnx | it moved to non-free it appears, and finally showed up in diablo | 17:35 |
| churl | cool, ill try that | 17:35 |
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| lardman | johnx: I had great fun translating the ARM Technical manual from Japanese using Google | 17:36 |
| johnx | lardman, heh...yeah, that's always fun | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Yes, we moved the closed parts of canola to non-free. So at least we don't lie about their openness ;) | 17:36 |
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| lardman | johnx: actually worked very well, as long as I removed any line breaks that copy& paste from the pdf had inserted | 17:37 |
| dsullivan | morning all | 17:37 |
| lardman | took a while to work that one out | 17:37 |
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| lophyte | just started playing with my n800 again, I got one of those USB OTG adapters and a miniKEY thumb keyboard, works great :) | 17:38 |
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| * qwerty12 will probably get an usb keyboard. RST38h's experiences with bluetooth keyboards don't inspire me with much hope. | 17:38 | |
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| lardman | qwerty12: use ssh ;) | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: if I could ; I would ;) | 17:39 |
| lophyte | qwerty12: site called Yobango had a sale on the minikey's... $10 CAD instead of $39 | 17:39 |
| lophyte | https://www.yobango.com/index/page/38/product/90/use_lang/EN.html | 17:39 |
| lardman | qwerty12: why can't you? | 17:39 |
| lophyte | that's where I got mine | 17:39 |
| johnx | qwerty12, what is it? an ssh allergy? secure-shell-phobia? | 17:39 |
| qwerty12 | lophyte: thanks, i'll check CAD -> GBP rates in a min :) | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, johnx: my router sucks. I set timeouts to high, disabled the firewall and a lot of other stuff I can't even remember with failed results. | 17:40 |
| lardman | hmm | 17:40 |
| lardman | fair enough | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | I'd plug in an D-Link that rests on my desk via ethernet but then it starts messing with my wifi connection etc. | 17:41 |
| lardman | new router costs about as much as usb keyboard | 17:41 |
| lophyte | just bought a GlobalSat BT GPS receiver too... can't wait to try it out | 17:41 |
| johnx | router trouble sucks. Always buy a good linux-based router :) | 17:41 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ipcop :) | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: This router is linux based but not good :P :). I remember posting a firmware I modified somewhere... | 17:42 |
| johnx | qwerty12, there's no openwrt release for it? | 17:42 |
| lardman | broke it yourself! :) | 17:42 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx: No :(, the Atheros chipset isn't supported. The funny thing is that the model worse than this one is supported <.< | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Does anyone know which program/library handles the dialog for bluetooth pairing? If it's OSS, I'd like to patch it to support letters too. Curse NAVMAN. | 17:43 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: does anything support letters? | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: my gps does, K610 does, K800 etc does :? | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | *:/ | 17:44 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: fair enough | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | I need it to pair the N800 with my navman gps :/ | 17:44 |
| lardman | I didn't think my phone did, but then I've probably not tried hard enough | 17:45 |
| lardman | oh, that's a pita | 17:45 |
| lardman | you could do it from the command line probably | 17:45 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: good point actually, I'll grab bluez-utils-test later :) | 17:45 |
| lardman | add that code to the conf file, set it to auto (iirc) and pair, then change settings back | 17:45 |
| churl | qwerty12: ok it seems that im just lacking that repository, it seems to be one ive over looked?? i was thinking it was in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel | 17:45 |
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| qwerty12 | churl: Name: Maemo Extras-Devel Address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel Distribution: diablo Components: free non-free | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | iirc anyway | 17:47 |
| churl | k :) | 17:47 |
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| * qwerty12 goes to install games. I have the data for duke nukem 3d, why not have the game installed on the N800 :P | 17:48 | |
| lophyte | lol nice | 17:49 |
| churl | ok, i had that but called "testing" somethingorother and chinook, i guess changing that around will be a different repository with the same http? | 17:49 |
| churl | "the more you know..." | 17:51 |
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| johnx | "the more you know, the more you regret ever having asked"? | 17:53 |
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| churl | haha not quite! | 17:54 |
| churl | that would mean i know more than i really do! | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | Which file is it to blacklist a module again? (I want to kill pcspkr before it drives me crazy and forces me to go into an institution). | 17:55 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, something in /etc/modprobe.d maybe? | 17:55 |
| johnx | add blacklist foo to a file | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | That's it, thank you. | 17:56 |
| churl | more like: the more you know about how some of these apps work, the less stumbling you'll do | 17:56 |
| johnx | or just do it the inelegant way and move pcskr.ko to pcskr.bak :) | 17:56 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, you might also be interested in setterm -blength 0 | 17:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks but I'm one of those people who think pc speaker is only useful for the POST. Now I'm booted, it can shove off :) | 17:57 |
| johnx | but what about using it as an audio out? talk to other people in the room in a crackly disembodied voice? | 17:58 |
| johnx | or play fm synthesis midis :) | 17:58 |
| * johnx didn't plug in the physical PC speaker in his current computer... | 17:59 | |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I only listen to mp3s so using it as an audio out is out for me and I'd attract an barrage of dirty looks if I used it to say stuff :P | 17:59 |
| churl | qwerty12: thank you! everything is fine, i guess i should make sure my repo's are up to snuff now and then | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:01 |
| * qwerty12 has too much repos :/ | 18:01 | |
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| hrw | bye | 18:04 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h: How's vGB coming along? Otherwise, I'm gonna recompile gnuboy with optimisations :P | 18:04 |
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| tank-man | anyone know how to make the camera image flip when you rotate the camera on the n800 to face away from you | 18:12 |
| tank-man | image is upside down | 18:12 |
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| tank-man | trying to use the camera with gstmjpg | 18:12 |
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| lardman | in software is probably the answer | 18:13 |
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| johnx | lardman, are you still on chinook? | 18:13 |
| derf | I know the built-in app flips it upside down for you. | 18:13 |
| derf | They may also be doing it in software. | 18:13 |
| johnx | there seem to be some problems with the n800 camera in diablo... | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Mine works fine in Diablo. | 18:14 |
| lardman | johnx: only for some people, works for me | 18:14 |
| johnx | right, about half of the people have problems :) | 18:14 |
| johnx | like me | 18:14 |
| lardman | strange | 18:14 |
| tank-man | i dual boot chinook+diablo | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | johnx: Does "camera-test" return anything interesting? | 18:15 |
| johnx | hang on | 18:15 |
| lardman | I wonder if it's a hw version thing again | 18:15 |
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| lardman | ooo, just seen a QR code in the Times! :) | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry, I didn't hear that, I was fixated at The Sun :P (joke) | 18:16 |
| lardman | lol | 18:16 |
| johnx | camera test rebooted my n800 | 18:16 |
| johnx | no output on the console | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | Ouch. Does a syslog return anything good? | 18:17 |
| johnx | I'm not logging | 18:17 |
| johnx | I'll run it again and poke at dmesg before it reboots | 18:17 |
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| johnx | had canola running, it started skipping badly right before the reboot | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Oh. Any funky stuff done to the tablet or did the problem occur from stock diablo? | 18:18 |
| johnx | it's not really stock, but it's nothing too wild I think | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | If it turns out to be an kernel thing, I'd try using flasher-3.0 to boot an chinook kernel and see if it works with that. | 18:19 |
| johnx | I think it was a memory thing | 18:19 |
| johnx | BTW, this time the picture flipped, too :/ | 18:19 |
| johnx | canola is just a really big app :) | 18:20 |
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| * qwerty12 doesn't like big apps written in python :) | 18:20 | |
| johnx | but qwerty12 does like python | 18:20 |
| johnx | he just wishes other people would write their apps in C :P | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Indeed :P | 18:21 |
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| manga | hi qwerty | 18:23 |
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| qwerty12 | hello manga | 18:24 |
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| manga | are you the same person who wrote the mini tutorial on screen rotate? | 18:24 |
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| qwerty12 | I didn't write the wiki article if that is what you mean but I did provide those debs if you are reading that post :/ | 18:25 |
| manga | yea, I was reading the steps | 18:26 |
| manga | I was following through but ran into a little problem | 18:26 |
| manga | i have screen rotate option | 18:26 |
| manga | but its all messed up | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | The kernel isn't flashed then. | 18:27 |
| manga | someone mentioned that the kernal hasn't been flashed | 18:27 |
| manga | yes | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | running flash-and-reboot should do it | 18:27 |
| manga | hwo do I do that last part? | 18:27 |
| manga | in real newbie terms? :) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Just run "flash-and-reboot" in the X-Terminal program that is in Utilities :) | 18:28 |
| manga | just type that in after ~ $ ? | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 18:29 |
| manga | i get this then: -sh: flash-and-reboot: not found | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Are you on diablo? | 18:30 |
| manga | yes | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Then it should be present. | 18:30 |
| manga | 810 diablo | 18:30 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, hmm, I think I needed to do apt-get -f install before I had it | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, good point, johnx, thanks. | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | manga: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_To:_Enable_screen_rotation_in_Diablo | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Should go through the steps of doing apt-get install and running flash-and-reboot etc | 18:31 |
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| Atarii | think ill have a go at gettin the rotation in the 770 kernel this weekend | 18:31 |
| Atarii | graduation tomorrow though, woo | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | ha, congrats | 18:32 |
| Atarii | it's so pointless, ive got my results, i dont want to go back just to spend more money on travel, outfit, photographs etc etc :( | 18:33 |
| johnx | Atarii, it's not for you. It's for your parents :) | 18:33 |
| manga | working on it, brb | 18:34 |
| Atarii | ah, true :p | 18:34 |
| * lardman got his certificate, opened it up, and it said something about an unpaid library fine | 18:34 | |
| lardman | take note! | 18:34 |
| Atarii | lol | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: Still got your DSP Programmers Manual from that library? :P | 18:35 |
| Atarii | i kept away from the library, I should be fine (no pun intended) ;P | 18:35 |
| lardman | It's difficult reading while walking, I was thinking how crap the cert looked :D | 18:35 |
| lardman | qwerty12: nah, I'm a mechanical engineer | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool :) | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, dodgy cflags time, what needs to be removed? http://pastebin.com/d6acf0f5a . Thanks. | 18:36 |
| johnx | qwerty12, what's the error? | 18:36 |
| johnx | or is this a quiz? :P | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | No error, it's just I'm not sure on all those CFLAGS and I don't feel like burning out the wittle cpu on the N800 :P | 18:37 |
| lardman | Don't think I've ever seen -fweb before, what's that for? | 18:37 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well removing optimisation will help it | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: no idea. | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: but then I will burn out from the slowness | 18:38 |
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| lardman | the universe may well end with gcc swapping to your SD trying to use -O3 though | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, 8GB SD with 48Mhz speed, let the games begin :P | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Or not, as it's the only 8GB I have. /me sets it to 02 | 18:40 |
| lardman | try and see I guess is the answer | 18:40 |
| lardman | the -O flags are supposed to use much more memory during compile though afaiu | 18:40 |
| johnx | O2 is pretty standard, IIRC | 18:41 |
| johnx | O3 is "gentoo" :) | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | 03 is useless on the NIT | 18:41 |
| lardman | standard and only 128Mb in which to run OS+GCC are probably different though ;) | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | some might even argue that 03 is useless on a desktop | 18:42 |
| johnx | 'night all | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | night johnx | 18:44 |
| summatusmentis | 'night johnx | 18:44 |
| johnx | :) | 18:44 |
| lardman | night johnx | 18:45 |
| lardman | Don't the -O flags do different things on different platforms anyway? | 18:45 |
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| GDE | it worked, thanks a lot! | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Well, gnuboy compiled with the optimisations, time to see if it plays cokemon faster (no not a typo...). | 18:47 |
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| GDE | Thanks, Qwert's | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Np. /me thanks nemo for making that excellent guide :) | 18:54 |
| GDE | yea, that guide was a breeze | 18:55 |
| lcuk_work | crashanddie, O3 is great on the paltform, its bloated though | 18:55 |
| GDE | wish everything was as easy | 18:56 |
| lcuk_work | damn | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, bigger executables, longer loading times, useless on minimalistic devices, you need optimized programming, that's all | 18:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Seems like the optimisation failed here, now it runs even slower :P. Time to remove some cflags. | 18:59 |
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| lcuk_work | crashanddie, but O3 does all the nice inline stuff, without it you dont get that | 19:01 |
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| daperl | rm_you: you here? | 19:32 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im starting to suspect that my browser issue have something to do with javascript. at least things seem a bit more stable if i turn javascript off. not much more but a bit... | 19:39 |
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| summatusmentis | the maemo tar doesn't have a -j option? | 19:42 |
| summatusmentis | stupid | 19:42 |
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| qwerty12 | blame nokia for not including it in their busybox config. you could apt-get source busybox and recompile it to include -j option. Or add xarchiver repo and use gnutar. | 19:42 |
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| summatusmentis | or just bunzip2 first, then untar :) | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | Ha, yeah :). I'm just used to tar doing everything so I install gnutar and replace the crap busybox one with that :) | 19:45 |
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| * qwerty12 really should get around to pimping out busybox | 19:45 | |
| summatusmentis | I might do that sometime | 19:45 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: if you pimp out busybox, I'll love you long time | 19:46 |
| daperl | I'm currently ONLY using the debian chroot to avoid busybox. Night and day. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | That's an incentive... :P, nah joke. But I patched the busybox source to let me make menuconfig and the amount of options scared me. 0.0 | 19:46 |
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| daperl | Having a real find command is essential for me | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Someone's done a pimped busybox here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/busybox-test/ but it's outdated now. | 19:48 |
| overflok | hi to all | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | hello | 19:49 |
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| darkterror46 | going home now | 19:52 |
| t_s_o | gah, a reinstall of micrb-engine later and suddenly things seems to work normally again :S | 19:53 |
| darkterror46 | cheers everyone | 19:53 |
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| t_s_o | sometimes its the simplest of things... | 19:54 |
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| overflok | hi lcuk | 19:55 |
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| stuwyatt | Hi guys. Im looking for xchat (or another irc client) for a nokia770. No weblinks seem to work for me, and I cant see xchat in any of the repositories. Can anyone help? | 19:57 |
| summatusmentis | irssi ftw | 19:57 |
| stuwyatt | I tried looking for that earlier without luck... Will search again. Thanks | 19:58 |
| overflok | I use pidgin | 19:58 |
| Atarii | stuwyatt what OS? | 19:58 |
| Atarii | 2006, 2007HE or 2008HE? | 19:58 |
| stuwyatt | I think its the original 2006 OS... I did upgrade to 2007HE, but I think its back to 2006 | 19:58 |
| stuwyatt | Does pidgin do IRC? | 19:59 |
| summatusmentis | stuwyatt: pidgin does, but nto well | 19:59 |
| summatusmentis | not* | 19:59 |
| summatusmentis | I use irssi + screen + ssh | 19:59 |
| Atarii | stuwyatt: http://maemo-hackers.org/ | 19:59 |
| stuwyatt | ok thanks... I saw some good reviews of the xchat port, but it seems to have dissapeared | 19:59 |
| Atarii | xchat is there for 2006 | 19:59 |
| stuwyatt | Its listed, but the install is offsite (if its the same link I tried already)... and its down | 20:00 |
| stuwyatt | OOoohhh, no, I've not been here | 20:00 |
| stuwyatt | Thanks Atarii... Will give this a go | 20:00 |
| Atarii | it appears to be there, visble here: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/x/xchat/ | 20:01 |
| Atarii | np | 20:01 |
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| stuwyatt | Atarii> Works perfectly. Thanks for your help! Bye. | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | moo | 20:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | lol yes | 20:09 |
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| * lcuk cuts RST38h up and makes a leather jacket out of his hide | 20:12 | |
| smyows | have ppp software for os2008? | 20:13 |
| Atarii | rm_you wake up | 20:13 |
| * qwerty12 cuts up lcuk and finds nothing useful there :P | 20:13 | |
| lcuk | evicts qwerty12 | 20:13 |
| lcuk | damn | 20:13 |
| * lcuk evicts qwerty12 | 20:13 | |
| mgedmin | apt-get moo | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | no no, it's apt-get install cowsay. Maybe you can contribute to that ubuntu bug :> | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | ~lart dentists | 20:14 |
| * infobot shoots dentists in his sleep | 20:14 | |
| qwerty12 | mgedmin: yep >.< | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | My ITT profile has a visit from the devil. | 20:16 |
| jott | lcuk: dentists also want to earn money - the easiest way is to inflict pain on an healthy patient ;p | 20:16 |
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| daperl | jott: with the current environment, how do you guys run the ABSA stand alone? | 20:19 |
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| * lcuk laughs | 20:20 | |
| jott | daperl: just compile it with -DTEST_PLUGIN | 20:21 |
| lcuk | jott, i work above a dentists, i see people come in looking healthy and leave looking like dribbling nervous wrecks | 20:21 |
| jott | daperl: gcc -g -o ab advanced-backlight.c $(pkg-config gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 libhildonwm libhildondesktop --libs --cflags) -DTEST_PLUGIN -Wall -lXrandr -DGETTEXT_PACKAGE=\"advanced-backlight\" | 20:21 |
| jott | i use the above ^^ | 20:21 |
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| daperl | So, nothing in the make/config files, you just command line it, I see | 20:24 |
| jott | daperl: yes at the moment. it's just for testing purpose anyway | 20:24 |
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| daperl | jott: that's easy, thanks | 20:27 |
| melmoth | is it me or did the maemo wiki ssl cert expired yesterday ? | 20:27 |
| Mousey | IT'S A TRAP! | 20:28 |
| * Mousey hides | 20:28 | |
| qwerty12 | Mousey hides to find my glock pointing at him. Game over. | 20:28 |
| Mousey | you have a glockinspiel? i love that sound! | 20:29 |
| lcuk | ffs qwerty12 what have we told you about pointing guns at people | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: Ha :P | 20:29 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk: what have you told me? | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | ok im not doing that again, there is far too many results on google for qwerty12 weapons | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | wtf, the first result isn't me :/ | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | the se-nse stuff is :/ | 20:31 |
| lcuk | hahaha | 20:32 |
| lcuk | its ok qwerty, i died in an industrial accident according to google :) | 20:32 |
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| lardman | jott: I've added those files to the maemo-barcode svn now | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: :/ :P | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | bbl | 20:33 |
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| jott | lardman: ah good. i just started playing around with gst. | 20:33 |
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| lardman | the code compiles and shows an image ok | 20:34 |
| lardman | as lcuk said, need to work out how to reduce the framerate and the resolution | 20:34 |
| lardman | as atm it's rather laggy | 20:34 |
| lcuk | now im home lardman, ill pastebin the python code and show you - it should be simply telling the gstreamer camera stage what res you want it | 20:35 |
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| lardman | thanks | 20:35 |
| lardman | jott: the other thing is that we don't even need the RGB conversion part of the pipeline, the Y of the default YUV output is B&W anyway isn't it | 20:36 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:36 |
| lcuk | wheres your c repository lardman, whilst im connecting i might just be able to spot it in there | 20:36 |
| jott | you can just set the resolution in the camera->ffmpeg connection | 20:37 |
| jott | quite easy | 20:37 |
| jott | and just set yuv as default | 20:37 |
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| lardman | go for it, I'm going to continue converting the matlab code | 20:38 |
| jott | ah still missing the example_bla.h .. i'll just fix that | 20:39 |
| lardman | I can add that, hang on | 20:39 |
| lardman | or you can | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | lardman http://pastebin.ca/1074518 | 20:42 |
| lardman | ah, you set it in there, I see | 20:42 |
| jott | lardman: ok commited | 20:43 |
| lardman | cool | 20:43 |
| jott | it's much faster now ;) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | wheres the svn? | 20:43 |
| lardman | how do I checkout, surely I don't need to give the url again? | 20:44 |
| lardman | maemo-barcode in Garage | 20:44 |
| jott | lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode | 20:44 |
| jott | svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode | 20:44 |
| jott | erm lcuk | 20:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I'm surprised it doesn't remember | 20:44 |
| jott | svn up | 20:45 |
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| jott | if you have alread checked it out | 20:45 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 20:45 |
| lardman | thanks | 20:45 |
| lardman | supper time, bbiab | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | thanks jott | 20:48 |
| jott | mh looks like cheese would make a decent framework for proper camera init stuff | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone ever had networkmanager going properly on debian? | 20:54 |
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| lardman|cooking | I should add that I tacked onto the end of the maemo-barcode.c file, the main() fns for a dmtx decoder, etc. | 20:58 |
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| lardman|cooking | http://oss.devit.com/datamatrix/ or http://www.libdmtx.org/ | 21:00 |
| lardman|cooking | If we can find code that does 1D then I'm happy to use that | 21:00 |
| lcuk | lardman, when i come across stuff like that, to keep it together i put a link in the code :) | 21:00 |
| lardman|cooking | lcuk: yeah, I forgot in this case, was for personal use until lunchtime | 21:01 |
| * lcuk is doing that with the libjpeg stuff | 21:01 | |
| lcuk | i know | 21:01 |
| lcuk | even for personal memory though - if i dont i think "where the ** did i get that | 21:01 |
| jott | google :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | doesnt always help | 21:02 |
| lcuk | and is a great waste of time | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | ill bbl anyway, tea time | 21:03 |
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| * zap wonders why Nokia hardcoded the password to diablo repository in /usr/lib/apt/methods/http | 21:03 | |
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| jott | zap: legal reasons i suppose... | 21:03 |
| zap | well there were no problems with chinook? | 21:04 |
| zap | and I thought Nokia goes to more openness? | 21:04 |
| jott | hah | 21:04 |
| jott | well chinook did not have most of the base debs available at all | 21:04 |
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| lardman|cooking | hmm, I don't see much that will do 1D barcodes, I'll try and see if I can get my code converted to C asap | 21:09 |
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| derf | lardman|cooking: I've started converting qrcode to C. | 21:10 |
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| derf | It'll take a while longer than I thought, because a lot of it needs to be rewritten. | 21:10 |
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| lardman|cooking | derf: great :) (the converting, not the time) | 21:27 |
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| Jaffa | 1re | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | x | 21:28 |
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| lardman|cooking | http://www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/stack.html lots to do ;) | 21:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ./ | 21:33 |
| lardman|cooking | looks fun to me - lots of challenges to overcome, but it can be done bit-by-bit | 21:33 |
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| Cptnodegard | :D | 21:44 |
| neilpwc | Hey | 21:44 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 21:48 |
| summatusmentis | hi GNUton | 21:49 |
| GNUton | Hi summatusmentis! :) | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hello, you in Finland now? :) | 21:49 |
| pupnik_ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 wiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. | 21:50 |
| pupnik_ | The certificate expired on 07/16/2008 01:59 AM. | 21:50 |
| pupnik_ | fyi | 21:50 |
| GNUton | qwerty12_N800: yes I´am | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice :) | 21:51 |
| GNUton | qwerty12_N800: where are you? | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm in London | 21:51 |
| jott | hello GNUton | 21:52 |
| GNUton | qwerty12_N800: great! :) I´m never been in Ij. | 21:52 |
| RST38bis | moo, gnuton | 21:52 |
| GNUton | Hi jott, how are you? | 21:52 |
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| GNUton | hey RST38bis! :) | 21:52 |
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| GNUton | jott: do u have update the style? | 21:53 |
| jott | GNUton: yeah fine, waiting for response from tt legal .. | 21:53 |
| jott | GNUton: no, not yet. i wait for response first. | 21:53 |
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| daperl | jott: so, here's the problem with the volume change stuff: you're getting notified of a volume change when you're making the volume change. Bad. | 21:59 |
| daperl | you only want to be notified when some other app makes a change | 22:03 |
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| RST38bis | daperl: add a lock. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | or learn to ignore when its the interactive user has the stylus pressed on the scrollbar (or keypress) | 22:03 |
| jott | Atarii: g_object_freeze_notify should be there.. | 22:03 |
| jott | arg | 22:03 |
| jott | daperl: ^^ | 22:03 |
| jott | maybe it's missing in some spot? | 22:03 |
| jott | feel free to make a patch against svn head :) | 22:03 |
| daperl | no, 'cause you'll just yank my code again :) | 22:03 |
| jott | uh? | 22:04 |
| RST38bis | found a bug in microb | 22:04 |
| jott | what are you talking about? | 22:04 |
| RST38bis | when image loading is disableed, it will not load ANY images | 22:04 |
| RST38bis | even ones that you open directly | 22:05 |
| RST38bis | it should only skip inlined images instead | 22:05 |
| lardman|cooking | jott: just pulled | 22:07 |
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| jott | lardman: i set the framerate to 8 fps and analyse_image should be called all the time now.. | 22:08 |
| lardman | cool | 22:08 |
| jott | (8 fps is the minimum as it seems) | 22:08 |
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| daperl | jott: the thaw _sends_ all the notifications. how do i subsume them? | 22:11 |
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| jott | daperl: ah indeed | 22:12 |
| daperl | I think then i would have to play with the event queue when a separate thread is much easier | 22:12 |
| jott | daperl: not sure how to remove them.. it might be easier to just disconnect the signals?! | 22:13 |
| daperl | i commented out the sig connect and it dumped. i could try again | 22:14 |
| lardman | in MATLAB I can do this: elseif sum(code== [1 1 0 1 0 0])==6; it was suggested I use memcmp() to do this in C, can I memcmp() against a static value? | 22:15 |
| jott | we just would need to store the connection ids... and maybe wrap it in an helper | 22:15 |
| lardman | memcmp(code, {1,1,1,1,1,1}) or similar? | 22:15 |
| jott | lardman: i think this should work (with the right syntax ;) | 22:16 |
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| nomis | jott: no, that won't work. | 22:16 |
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| jott | mh | 22:16 |
| lardman | hmm, perhaps strcmp then? | 22:16 |
| nomis | jott: you cannot pass struct-style definitions as arguments. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | but you can pass a predefined char array | 22:17 |
| lcuk | preinitialized ^ | 22:17 |
| nomis | lardman: I am not sure what you actually want to do. | 22:17 |
| lardman | yeah, I need 9 then | 22:17 |
| jott | nomis: yeh that's why i said "with the right syntax" .. | 22:17 |
| lardman | nomis: I'll get you a linky | 22:17 |
| lcuk | lardman, what exactly is this meant to do sum(code== [1 1 0 1 0 0])==6 | 22:17 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/ | 22:18 |
| lardman | I want to check that a set of 6 values in an array is correct | 22:18 |
| nomis | jott: ok, we probably disagree on what "syntax" means :) | 22:18 |
| jott | nomis: yeah well in this particular case it's arguable ;) | 22:18 |
| lardman | nomis: see url above, in the file *.m, in fn decodeParity() | 22:18 |
| lcuk | but what datatype is the array | 22:18 |
| lardman | char | 22:18 |
| lcuk | and it contains 1s or 0s | 22:19 |
| lardman | yes | 22:19 |
| jott | lcuk: that's matlab magic ;) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | strcmp wont work (ends at nulls if i remember rightly | 22:19 |
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| lardman | I could add \0 to the ends | 22:19 |
| lcuk | just write a quick simple func passing 2 char *s and a length | 22:20 |
| lcuk | you could lardman, but strcmp will stop at the first \0 encountered | 22:20 |
| nomis | lardman: you *can* do char foo[] = { 1,1,0,0,1,0 }; memcmp (data, foo, sizeof(foo)); | 22:20 |
| lcuk | or did you mean '0' and '1' | 22:20 |
| lardman | I still need to statically define them then | 22:20 |
| nomis | not sure about the sizeof thing at the moment. | 22:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah yes, true | 22:20 |
| lcuk | memcmp :) | 22:20 |
| lardman | not as neat, but what did I expect!? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | nomis :) knowledge of the std lib will probably save me a lot of time i see | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | jott, is matlab another one of your superpowers? | 22:23 |
| jott | lcuk: na not really, i just did some basic cv stuff with it and forgot probably half of it. | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | ahhha a weakness ;) | 22:24 |
| jott | (image recoginition etc.) | 22:24 |
| jott | but i am aware of the basic vectorization concepts it implies ;) | 22:24 |
| jott | strange in the first moment, but can be really sweet. | 22:25 |
| jott | http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/spec/r4099.htm ah that seems to be the yuv the camera spits out | 22:26 |
| lardman | interleaved, yuck | 22:26 |
| jott | mmh well either we use the rgb output or just grab the luma.. i don't know how big the perfomance impact would be in this case... | 22:27 |
| lcuk | if you think thats bad, look at what the LCD accepts ;) http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt | 22:29 |
| lardman | ssvb might be able to do us a nice optimised memcpy which pulls out the luma | 22:29 |
| daperl | jott: you know what makes it run much better? when no other applets are running when you're runnint it stand alone. Nothing like removing the sound and ABSA from the statusbar to help things along | 22:30 |
| lcuk | jott is latest in svn? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | ill grab and see if i can give you a plane | 22:30 |
| jott | lcuk: yes.. look at analyse_image at the bottom.. the data[] should contain it... | 22:31 |
| RST38bis | what are you trying to find in those images? | 22:31 |
| jott | though the format looks really trivial ;) | 22:31 |
| lcuk | aliens | 22:31 |
| jott | white noise | 22:31 |
| lcuk | yes, just ignore every 2nd byte | 22:31 |
| jott | RST38bis: barcodes ;) | 22:31 |
| jott | lcuk: yep ;) | 22:32 |
| RST38bis | ? | 22:32 |
| madhav | transparency + gtk fixedconainer/viewport ? any idea how to get it working?? | 22:32 |
| lardman | they're everywhere, I even saw one in the Times today | 22:32 |
| RST38bis | ah! i would grab the luma then | 22:32 |
| jott | RST38bis: yep hat's the plan for now | 22:32 |
| RST38bis | you will need bw image anyway | 22:33 |
| jott | i hope the format is right :) | 22:33 |
| lcuk | im gonna pop the output into a planar YUV anyway and get blittin it around | 22:33 |
| jott | RST38bis: yeah | 22:33 |
| madhav | lcuk: got any idea? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | no idea madhav, look at gtk documentation | 22:33 |
| madhav | ok | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ok, you need cylon/knight rider scanner for this barcode thing | 22:34 |
| lardman | thanks lcuk | 22:35 |
| lcuk | and it has to play muzak via a2dp, perhaps the scanner needs to be 3d? | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | yw lardman :) | 22:36 |
| jott | ok this should get the Ys :) | 22:36 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk: as long as it has the deathray, you can skip on muzak, a2dp, 3d... | 22:38 |
| * lardman tries to work out what the hell he was thinking in his MATLAB code :S | 22:38 | |
| lcuk | yer i suppose you are right, but we also need a button on screen to call for a supervisor | 22:38 |
| lardman | only if you scan alcohol though | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i wish we could make the keyboard ping out like arkrights | 22:39 |
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| * GAN800 should probably stop leaping down the throats of poor Nokia engineers on Bugzilla. . . . | 22:41 | |
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| lcuk | your turn to get out of bed on the wrong side? | 22:42 |
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| RST38bis | gan: go for the testicles, more painful this way | 22:43 |
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| jott | lardman: ok it seems to work now.. i can output a scanline of the image with a simple threshold filter | 22:47 |
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| pusling | are there extra modules, like usbserial.ko in binary form somewhere trustful on the internets - like for 2.6.21-omap1 ? | 22:47 |
| jott | a big hacky atm but for now thats fine | 22:47 |
| * lcuk wonders why he goes through the trouble of dev on tablet | 22:48 | |
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| lcuk | does andLinux support scratchbox | 22:49 |
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| GAN800 | Nah, not quite that bad, and he deserved it more. | 22:50 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk: apparently it does but just barely | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/linux-kernel-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz - not so trustworthy but we use it in the NIT debian project :P | 22:51 |
| lcuk | RST38bis, lots of messing? | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: wrong url.. sec | 22:52 |
| jott | lardman: and we are below 20% cpu atm.. | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | An ENHANCEMENT should be closed a invalid because their functionality is broken? Please. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3436 | 22:52 |
| lardman | good to hear | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/linux-modules-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz | 22:52 |
| GAN800 | Don't lie, close it as WONTFIX | 22:52 |
| fnordianslip | woot. just added a third RF interface to my N800 (after BT and wifi), comes AX.25 networking on 144MHz with a USB attached Terminal Node Controller. So far, I've received 129 packets. That took a custom kernel, and three packages - one library, one set of system tools and one set of user apps | 22:52 |
| lardman | I'm nearly done on the first pass through my code | 22:52 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: somebody (qwerty?) has been using it, but it was messy | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | probably, ill ask him | 22:53 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: thanks. maybe I should look at NIT debian as well - now I just have debian on a flash card and have hacked the init system to mount the flashcard, bindmount dev, mount proc and chroot into debian ;) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i cant bear vmware | 22:53 |
| lcuk | omg im getting worse | 22:53 |
| GAN800 | and you cam bear the tablet? . . . | 22:53 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: I get a nice 404 ? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | gah.. that's what i get for not taking some coffee.. | 22:54 |
| RST38bis | and I can't understand why there is no windoze based sdk | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/linux-modules-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz | 22:54 |
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| GAN800 | RST38bis, too much work. | 22:54 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: now I get files at least ;) | 22:55 |
| GAN800 | Besides, there is, it's called 'vmware' | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it does, but it's a bit awkward transfering files and copy and paste as non-root in andlinux (essential for sbox) is a little funky | 22:55 |
| lbt | has anything happened to wiki.maemo.org? I can't find anything on gdb/ddd and I'm sure I wrote something about ddd | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: NIT-debian is proceeding nicely, we have wifi power save and such working already, - still needing some Diablo fixes from johnx but beyond that it's a cute little debian install | 22:55 |
| RST38bis | gan: vmwaare != native | 22:56 |
| lcuk | even scratchbox itself is emulated isnt it | 22:56 |
| RST38bis | gan: bug 3436 was just destined to be rejected | 22:56 |
| lcuk | so vmware is 2 levels of abstraction | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fnordianslip, have you tried editing debian/control for your deb problem? | 22:56 |
| lbt | lcuk: scratchbox isn't emulated - it uses emulation sometimes but it nativel | 22:57 |
| lbt | y cross compiles | 22:57 |
| RST38bis | they will not fix stuff that relies on 3rd party software for proof | 22:57 |
| lcuk | lbt, ok then: its a system within a system within a system | 22:57 |
| GAN800 | RST38bis, it doesn't rely on anything 3rd party. | 22:57 |
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| RST38bis | gan: adv backlight | 22:58 |
| lcuk | adv backlight or root | 22:58 |
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| lbt | yes... and? | 22:58 |
| zap | lcuk: if your CPU supports virtualization extensions, you can run ubuntu in qemu-kvm at about 70% of your native CPU speed | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | its mindboggling | 22:58 |
| GAN800 | Get over it, Windows sucks. Move on. ;) | 22:58 |
| fnordianslip | qwerty12_N800: not yet, i was just wondering about what to hack at next. that sounds like the place to look. | 22:58 |
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| lbt | nah - you just need to think about boxes | 22:58 |
| lcuk | i have done: if i had enough disk space i wouldnt bother using anything other than directly native | 22:58 |
| GAN800 | RST38bis, read the comments, you can get the exact behaviour with dsmetool. | 22:58 |
| RST38bis | no, really, why no crosscompiler on windows? | 22:59 |
| lbt | a box is a box in a box or out of a box | 22:59 |
| GAN800 | Which is most certainly 1st-party. | 22:59 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: so I should get started and package qtopia for debian ? ;) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | lbt, i often write compiler compilers (yacc wasnt forthcoming for vb base..) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i have no problem with it at certain levels, but for entire systems it hurts my head. its like chrooting | 22:59 |
| RST38bis | gan: yea, and if you kept adv backlight out of it, they would have no reason to refuse;) | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | pusling: hey, why not :P | 23:00 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: ENOTIME ;) | 23:00 |
| GAN800 | RST38bis, tried to make things easier for everybody, tried to be reasonable. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | dont you need root for dsmetool? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ya | 23:00 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, so? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | therefore not out of the box | 23:01 |
| RST38bis | gan: close this bug, open new one without adv backlight see what happens | 23:01 |
| lcuk | you have to do none standard stuff and void warranty :) | 23:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no, sudo is out of the box | 23:01 |
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| GAN800 | Meh, R&D is still first party. | 23:01 |
| GAN800 | RST38bis, that's stupid. | 23:01 |
| RST38bis | gan: if they tag it as same as, argut that it is not the same | 23:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, whats the root password? | 23:02 |
| GAN800 | I'd mark the second as dupe and reopen the first if somebody did that. ;) | 23:02 |
| RST38bis | gan: that is how corporate softw. dev works | 23:02 |
| GAN800 | RST38bis, that's not how Bugzilla works. | 23:03 |
| RST38bis | bugzilla is just a web app for tracking bugs | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no idea, i've never bothered to crack an default /etc/password. but that is a feature of sudo, you can add programs that you wish to run as root without an password prompt | 23:03 |
| RST38bis | in addition to bugzilla you have to deal with their internal support guidelines | 23:04 |
| lcuk | yes i know: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /media/mmc1/liqbase-0.0.1/liqbase | 23:04 |
| GAN800 | i.e., doing stupid bug contortions for stupid Nokia engineers is not a behaviour I'm willing to put up with on b.m.o | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | but to write sudoers you need root dont you.. | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | which nokia has to give with the provided application manager | 23:05 |
| RST38bis | gan: no need to confront, just stubbornly follow procedure | 23:05 |
| RST38bis | ok, i'm out for now | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, the aim is not to bypass any of the nokia disclaimers. once you do that you are in uncharted water | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | but it doesnt matter, i got about 10,000000 things to try and fit onto a tiny memstick | 23:06 |
| zap | rm_you: are you here? | 23:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, ok, my bad, maybe i should read this bug ;p... | 23:06 |
| lardman | jott, lcuk: I've uploaded my first pass at C-ifying, still lots to do - malloc'ing, fn arguments (pointers rather than returning arrays, etc.) | 23:08 |
| * qwerty12_N800 couldn't give two craps about what has root access on a tablet personally | 23:08 | |
| lardman | going to have a TV break, will get back to it later | 23:08 |
| lcuk | ok lardman :) | 23:08 |
| jott | great. | 23:11 |
| jott | well at that pace we have the app ready tomorrow ;) | 23:11 |
| jott | even with tv breaks ;)+ | 23:12 |
| penguinb8 | off to vacation, see everyone in a couple weeks :P | 23:12 |
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| ianf-h | peace | 23:12 |
| * ianf-h is getting his N810 today | 23:13 | |
| ianf-h | woot woot | 23:13 |
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| zap | oh sh*t | 23:16 |
| zap | my n810 reboots forever | 23:17 |
| zap | boots to half, and reboots again :( good byte lots of installed packages | 23:17 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has had that experience *lots* of times | 23:17 | |
| zap | and how you reinstall your stuff? by hand each time? | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yep :(, but diablo's app restore is more reliable | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ now | 23:19 |
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| GAN800 | zap, that's why you install fanoush's bootmenu. | 23:21 |
| fnordianslip | i apt-get installed devscripts on my N800 yesterday, hitting y a couple of times without paying attention to what it was saying. it uninstalled everything including busybox. good-bye world. | 23:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 will probably attempt to make a stripped down of maemo that has the sole purpose of running mtd-utils to backup the rootfs :/ | 23:22 | |
| * zap shutters remembering how many thousand times he passed the 'doctor sequence' on pocketpc | 23:23 | |
| pupnik | nice work Stskeeps | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, couldn't that be provided as | 23:23 |
| GAN800 | a 'backup' mode in the initfs? | 23:23 |
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| jott | maybe even a ready rescue initfs | 23:24 |
| GAN800 | Heck, with rsync I bet you could set it up to run on boot every x days | 23:24 |
| lcuk | make a maemo live mmc :D | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, very good point actually, i could compile mtd-utils and shove it in the initfs and write a quick script to mount the mmc and run mtd-utils and dump the rootfs. | 23:25 |
| jott | so e.g. fanoushs initfs as redistributable file | 23:25 |
| jott | plus some extra utils | 23:25 |
| Atarii` | that sounds a really good idea GAN800 | 23:25 |
| GAN800 | Set it up to either back up to a computer with usbnet or to a card. | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Heck, you could provide something like this through Extras-devel, probably. | 23:26 |
| Atarii` | need a way to choose internal vs card to backup | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | OK, now that I've provided my idea, the rest of you go out and make | 23:27 |
| GAN800 | it happen! | 23:27 |
| * GAN800 sits back and sips lemonade. | 23:27 | |
| pusling | Stskeeps: yay. got ttyUSB0 with your tarball. | 23:27 |
| * qwerty12_N800 reads up on how to compile uclibc toolchains. been years since i compiled one for my router ;) | 23:27 | |
| GAN800 | Years. . . . stfu 15-year-old. :P | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p, i'm actually serious :/ :p | 23:28 |
| lcuk | GAN800, didnt you know, qwerty12_N800 was the boy out of the linux adverts | 23:29 |
| lcuk | ibm * | 23:29 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4 | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | (in all seriousness, there was a little blond kid at linuxtag who was hacking away in the basement with little robots and stuff and looked happy to be there - reminded me of this linuxkid) | 23:32 |
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| GAN800 | The fkb seems to be randomly deciding to send enter when I type too fast these days. . . . | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | is it normal for my syslog to be 10mb? | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | well, a lot of crap is outputted by default (when sound is on, eac mode: play enabled, rec disabled etc) | 23:38 |
| lcuk | yer, but this goes back to before i was at linuxtag | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i kinda think its a bit overkill | 23:39 |
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| pupnik | so is there syslogd.conf active? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | thats odd, i just did a standard google search for the file /var/log/logs/syslog and it gave NOTHING. i find that a bit odd | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | iirc, a new syslog is made on each boot and the old one moved to syslog.old | 23:40 |
| AStorm | lcdd: if you're not running logrotate ;P | 23:40 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: that depends on the config, default syslog configuration doesn't do that | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, i only use the nokia syslog. | 23:41 |
| AStorm | this one is the default syslog ;P | 23:42 |
| lcuk | WTF? i put "/var/log/logs/syslog" with quotes, it says nothing found, but there are there without quotes. i remove the quotes and i get nothing | 23:42 |
| lcuk | this is a googlism | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, lcuk, think you could break up the discussion on the Drivers page into clearer sections with proper threading? | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if i knew how to i would (and i guess the same could be said for fanoush lol) neither of us appear to be able to get it to indent - every time i tried i got some stupid framed box | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | : | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | :: | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ::: | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | :::: | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just edit an existing talk page for examples. :P | 23:44 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Drivers_justification&oldid=4605 | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, one space gets you a codebox | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Step one is to break up the discussion into sections | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | == Stuff About SRAM == | 23:45 |
| lcuk | so, to get code i put space and to get space i put : | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steps two is to fix the threading | 23:45 |
| lbt | OK, I just ran application manager and tried an update - failed... :( | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Replace your space with a colon | 23:45 |
| lbt | libdb4.2, libglade2-0 and Operating System | 23:45 |
| lbt | is this a known issue? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | ok gen :) thanks | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's easy once you learn the basic syntax. ;) | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd clean it up, but I don't have the energy to read through that wall-o'-text to figure out what's what. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't want to step on toes. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, bookmark this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 23:48 |
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| fnordianslip | sysklogd does the rotation thing. | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, can i indent and box? | 23:53 |
| zap | What package contains the termcap files? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, any idea why it doesnt run on my device? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, :<pre>code here</pre> | 23:54 |
| fnordianslip | have you rebooted since installing it? | 23:54 |
| fnordianslip | i don't think it started logging until i did that | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | ive never installed it - i wondered why ive got a massive syslog | 23:55 |
| lcuk | now i know | 23:55 |
| fnordianslip | how big? | 23:55 |
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| jga23 | anybody know where I could find a statusbar clock for diablo? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | 10mb | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i can safely delete it cant i | 23:57 |
| fnordianslip | thats not big | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | on a small 256mb device it is | 23:57 |
| fnordianslip | echo /dev/null > /wherever/syslog | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | jga23, it's in Extras | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | or should be | 23:57 |
| lcuk | fnordianslip, :) thanks | 23:58 |
| lbt | fnordianslip: no, just > /..../syslog | 23:58 |
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| lbt | otherwise it will contain the text "/dev/null" | 23:58 |
| fnordianslip | oh, is it cat, i've forgotten | 23:59 |
| lbt | cat would work | 23:59 |
| lbt | common idiom is just > | 23:59 |
| lbt | so | 23:59 |
| fnordianslip | still, its only one line | 23:59 |
| sp3000 | jga23: chinook extras probably | 23:59 |
| lbt | > file | 23:59 |
| lbt | oh yes... just FYI | 23:59 |
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