IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-07-13

GNUtonGeneralAntilles: what is kinetic in Freemantle?00:00
GeneralAntillesGNUton, seems like there might be a lot.00:00
GeneralAntillesm-vo, mentioned something about Application manager00:00
GeneralAntillesthere's a couple svn commits for MicroB for it.00:00
lcukfremantle will have nice and powerful 3d rendering and it wont be outside the realms of possiblity that we can do whatever we want00:00
GeneralAntillesWhatever we want.00:00
lcukwe can now, but rendering it is like getting postcards00:01
lcuk1frame per day00:01
* lcuk strokes liqbase00:01
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lcukfor this kinetic thing in python do i need any extra libes00:02
lcukof is efl available?00:02
lcukie, is it worth hassle of downloading each file00:02
jottGNUton: the demo runs nice on the n81000:03
lcukjott, the python elf one or the converted qt one?00:04
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jottthe qt one00:04
jottthe elf one probably too00:04
lcukdamn, i ran out of space installing00:04
lcuk(qt i mean)00:04
GNUtonjott: good!00:04
jottGNUton: but that's just a proof of concept ;)00:05
jottwould be great to have a common widgetset that is reusable for this task00:05
lcukjott, can you video and show off your new fun00:05
jottlcuk: not that amazing, just a list scrolling ;)00:05
jottwould be neat to put this in arora..00:06
lcukjott, ive seen scrolling in most forms on this device00:06
lcukits like hellow world of rendering capabilities00:06
lcukhello even00:06
GNUtonjott: probably it´s possible put the code in the QScrollArea... so all widget can use it..00:07
jottlooks smooth but tears of course00:07
lcukthe kinetics will most likely be embedded in a standard listbox before too long jott00:07
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jottGNUton: yeah that's what i was thinking of..00:07
jottlcuk: yeah well that's the point of providing a common way of doing things.. ;)00:08
GNUtonok I could try to integrate it tomorrow...00:08
jotti.e. provide a widget that everybody should use or already uses00:08
* lcuk thought every single textbox and label was manually constructed from base code every time00:10
GNUtonby the way this night probably the first exprimental packages of a hildonized version of Qt should be available...00:10
jottGNUton: you push them directly to extra-devel?00:11
GNUtonno, i don´t00:12
GNUtonthey should be available by qt4 on garage.00:13
jottyeah probably too experimental at the moment ;)00:13
jottdid you fix the menu bug?00:14
GNUtonnot yet. Today I spent my time to draw some inserts for the master degree of my girlfriend..00:15
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GNUtonHey another gnu* :P00:16
GeneralAntillesThat one's a luser. ;)00:16
GNUtonis " GeneralAntilles" a pirate nick?00:20
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jottor ninja? :P00:20
GNUtonGeneralAntilles sounds like "Pirate of caribbean" :)00:22
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jotthah your parents where killed by pirates GeneralAntilles :P00:23
GNUtonAntilles are a beautiful islands.. it´s sound like General Hawaii! :P00:24
GNUtonahha :)00:24
GNUtongreat, so you can change your away nick in "GeneralHawaii" :P00:26
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GNUtonIn Italian "away" and "Hawaii" have the same pronuciation.00:27
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GeneralAntillesHehe, my "away" nick is GAN800, since that's always in my pocket. ;)00:27
GNUtonGeneralAntilles: where are you from? UK?00:28
GeneralAntillesFlorida, USA00:28
GNUtonis it beautiful? I´m never been in US.00:29
GeneralAntillesIt's a little bit of everything.00:29
GeneralAntillesCoastal areas are nice.00:29
GeneralAntillesInland it's hot, humid, and filled with mosquitos.00:29
GeneralAntillesFlorida is very . . . flat.00:30
hellwolfThe women there?00:30
GNUtonaarrghh... so it´s not a beautiful place to live :P00:30
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GeneralAntilleshellwolf, bit of a one-track mind?00:31
GNUtonGeneralAntilles: just a curiosity.. "Miami" in italian means "Do you love me?"00:31
Veggenunfortunately, my interest in going to US has been lowered the last years because of US politics the last five years. A pity, because I know it doesn't represent the view of all people in US.00:31
VeggenGNUton: italian?00:32
GNUtonyes, I´m italian.00:32
GeneralAntillesMiami is a bit of a hell hole.00:32
GNUtonin Italy00:32
Veggenwell, obviously. but where in Italy ;)00:32
qwerty12Any gangsters in FL?00:32
GeneralAntillesBy what definition?00:33
qwerty12drug dealers etc00:33
qwerty12(please say yes)00:33
GeneralAntillesMiami especially.00:33
GeneralAntillesLots and lots.00:33
lcuktheres vice00:33
qwerty12W00t, thank you. Time to get me a ticket...00:33
GeneralAntillesqwerty12's gonna get his ass murdered.00:33
GNUtonVeggen: a, ok, I was born and grown up in Apulia ("Puglia"), near  bari00:34
qwerty12How's that, I teach them to break into computer networks :P00:34
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Veggenah, never been to the south-east. yet :)00:34
GracanaGNUton, if you leave italy, do you stop being italian? :P00:35
lcukqwerty12, that is what would happen to you if you attempted to infultrate the criminal underworld00:35
GNUtonVeggen: If you come back in Italy you must visit the "Salento"00:35
lcuktubbs and crocket would come n kick your ass00:35
VeggenGNUton: going to Italy monday, actually. But to the alps, this time.00:35
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Veggensouth-east would be to warm for me now, I guess :)00:36
GNUtonVeggen: Are you german?00:36
Veggenno, I'm norwegian.00:36
GNUtonVeggen: ok. :)00:36
GNUtonwhat´s the most beautiful place to visit in norway?00:37
lcukall of it00:37
VeggenGNUton: Depends if you like cities, mountains or sea :)00:37
qwerty12lcuk, talking from experience?00:38
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Veggenand yes, of course you can have all of it in the same day.00:38
lcukyes qwerty12, ive only got one leg and im missing my remaining kneecap00:38
qwerty12lcuk, come to the east end, I'll break the other leg :p00:39
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jottGNUton: btw, i also have an arora package here. works actually quite nice.00:57
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GNUtonjott: do you have packaged aurora? Could you upload the packages in diablo/extra?01:06
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jottGNUton: not without having qt in diablo/extra :/01:07
GNUtonit will available in few minutes.. don´t worry..01:08
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GDeNSowhat is auroro? :)01:32
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jottGDeNSo: a browser based on (qt)webkit01:35
GDeNSooh nice, it's tabbed!01:37
jottyep.. very promising ;)01:38
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* RST38h quickly ported VGB to Maemo01:41
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RST38hdid not compile it yet though :)01:42
qwerty12_N800cool :). i'm still using gnuboy for my gb fix01:44
RST38hnot for long now...01:45
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RST38hhohoho, abiword beta is out01:53
RST38hprobably too big to install over the air though01:54
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RST38hanybody knows what consequences of adding extras-devel repo are?01:58
RST38hwill it break any apps?01:58
GeneralAntillesCanola, maybe.02:03
GeneralAntillesWell, Chinook Canola02:03
GeneralAntillesBut only during the initial install.02:03
GeneralAntillesWell, Extras-devel being what it is, that situation can change at any moment. ;)02:04
GeneralAntillesThe biggest issue is pulling in newer dependencies than, say, ones in Extras and causing potential breakage tehre.02:04
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Edgesterdoes anyone know if I can run "apt-get source" from within the autobuilder?02:06
GeneralAntillesWhat are you trying to do?02:06
EdgesterI'm trying to modify the openafs package to work with the autobuilder02:06
GeneralAntillesIf you need something to build, then it should be a build-dependency available from Extras, Extra-devel or the SDK repository.02:06
Edgesterit needs the kernel headers, which are only available as a source package02:07
Edgestercan build-depends pull a source package?02:07
GeneralAntillesI would think02:07
Edgesterwell, the main debian stuff has kernel-source as a binary package, I think02:08
GeneralAntillesRST38h, you wont have any problems installing AbiWord from devel.02:10
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jottEdgester: the kernel-diablo-headers contains the kernel headers02:13
GNUtonjott: I´m uploading the experimental Qt4 packages and their dependencies in Qt4.garage.02:21
GNUtonI´m very very tired..02:23
GNUtongood night people!!!02:23
GNUtonnight jott!02:23
GeneralAntillesAbiWord is still a bit . . . beta02:24
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GeneralAntillesIt completely captured the system trying to drag a text snippet.02:24
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jottGNUton: nice.. and good night! :)02:27
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crashanddieWhat is it with bad luck with mice these days ?02:42
crashanddieA few days ago, my faithful MX 1000 drowns in a pool of petrol, the first bluetooth mouse I buy is useless because even barely scrolling makes it middle click, and now this one won't pair with ubuntu... DJEEZUS02:43
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crashanddiehellwolf, n8001 ? Wow... That's futuristic !02:43
hellwolfpidgin's name candidates rule is funny02:44
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t_s_ohmm, i get asked if i want to go out of offline mode when opening the browser or in some other way try to go online,  then i get a message saying it could not find any saved connections. what is that about?03:27
t_s_owhat saved connections?03:28
GeneralAntillesThere's a bug03:28
GeneralAntillesICD got a pretty major overhaul for Diablo03:28
GeneralAntillesProbably wasn't tested as thoroughly as it should've been.03:28
GeneralAntillesBut there's something funky with saved connections03:28
t_s_onokia seriously need to open up as much as possible of the maemo development, this is just silly...03:29
* rm_you marches around in front of Nokia headquarters with an Open Source is Life banner03:30
* lcuk waves at rm_you03:31
lcuki thought i recognised you by the chanting i could hear03:31
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t_s_osometimes i wish that app manager had a way to just yank anything depending on what im trying to remove...03:34
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Edgestert_s_o: what about apt-get remove from a terminal03:36
t_s_owell i guess i could have done that, but i had app manager up so...03:36
t_s_oand didnt feel like digging out the keyboard :P03:36
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user_ping RST38h03:42
user_RST38h: (I'm reading the irclog) About Palanga from Wikipedia....03:43
user_Kęstutis took her by force, and with great honor took her03:43
user_back to his capital of Trakai, where he invited his brothers03:44
user_and threw a big wedding...". After Kęstutis' murder,...03:44
user_THIS is where you go to for holidays in Lithuania?????03:44
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crashanddieanyone know why a bluetooth mouse would pair properly on the n810, ps3, macbook, but not on a Linux (Ubuntu) computer ?04:16
GeneralAntillesbecause linucks sux04:16
Foxxbecause its ubuntu04:16
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: bcaus linucks sux04:16
Foxxanyoone familliar with the application, Synergy?04:17
crashanddiethanks for all that helpful taunting04:18
Foxxim wondering if its possible to get it going on the n800, although im not at the point to start compiling code04:18
Foxxcrashanddie, you sure your bluetooth adapter works in ubuntu?04:18
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I don't generally agree w/ that statement, but when compared to OS X, yes :)04:18
Foxxand youhave the proper BT stack installed?04:19
jottFoxx: it had it running under chinook04:19
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, try #ubuntu? :P04:19
Foxxjott: i saw some info about that, but it led to a lot of dead ends04:19
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, no one's answering in there, they have no clue what I'm talking about04:19
jottwell you have to enable the mouse pointer to acutally "use" it ;)04:19
Foxxcrashanddie, what do you expect... the use ubuntu04:20
crashanddieas soon as I say I've been sniffing the traffic, and the mouse doesn't seem to respond to the name resolving, they freak out04:20
jottFoxx:  other than that take a look at
crashanddieI've asked in #bluez, no answer there either04:20
jottFoxx: makes the setup really really easy04:20
Foxxjott: thanks04:20
crashanddieI've tried the latest version of bluez-utils, latest version of libbtctl, no change04:20
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Foxxi use synergy, and i have the n800 sitting on my desk and i figured if i could get it going it may be a bit handy to have04:21
Foxxbut im not holding my breath04:21
jottFoxx: as said, enable the mouse pointer (google, itt has directions somewhere)04:21
jottthan it's acutally quite nice04:22
Foxxgroovy, thanks for the help04:22
Foxxmuch appreciated04:22
Foxxbe sure ill be back now and again from the lurking shadows with a lot of annoying questions ;}04:22
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Foxxhey, do you know any VNC server that runs on the n800?04:23
Foxxi know there are plenty of working clients04:23
Foxxim still sinking my claws into the inner workings of the n80004:24
Foxxill check that out too, thanks04:24
Foxxman, there arent too many places they help out like this04:24
Foxxits refreshing04:24
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* Edgester is sad because openafs requires diablo kernel source and kernel won't compile04:39
jottEdgester: the headers do not suffice?04:41
Edgesterkernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work':04:41
Edgesterline 249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available04:41
Edgesternope, header's aren't enough04:41
EdgesterI ran "make n800_defconfig" and openafs still won't compile. I think I need a make zImage to get it to work04:42
jottmaybe look why it wont be happy with headers alone ;)04:43
jottmight be just some little quirks04:43
Edgesterit needs files form the scripts folder in the kerne source04:43
jottwhat an ugly hack :P04:45
jottwhat script does it need?04:46
Edgesterum, kbuild, I think04:47
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Edgesterlopz: good night04:50
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jottEdgester: shouldn't this be done by the Makefile in the kernel dir?04:59
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Edgesterjott: not sure05:05
Edgesterjott: I'm still poking around. I might not need a kernel make05:05
Edgesterjott: scratch that, I do need a make05:08
* Edgester sighs05:08
jottwrite a hate-mail to the debian package maintainer ;>05:09
summatusmentisto which package maintainer?05:13
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GAN800write hate mail.05:13
EdgesterI think openafs must use deep kernel structures05:14
EdgesterI remember that it often breaks and must be fixed when new kernel versions come out05:14
summatusmentisthe breakage is due to the pioctl()s that they have to insert into the kernel05:15
Edgestersummatusmentis: thanks for the clarification05:15
summatusmentisgenerally patches to kernels are pretty hard to maintain05:15
Edgesteryes, but they can't get the code into the kernel because of license conflicts05:16
summatusmentisI'm aware, I'm just saying that's generally why the patches break05:16
Edgestersummatusmentis: do you recall where the pioctls are in the linux kernel source tree?05:18
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Edgestereven after the maemo kernel compile fails, I have enough compiled to pass the openafs configure tests05:19
summatusmentisEdgester: there's nothing in the current linux tree, that's what my porject is05:21
summatusmentisOpenAFS stores their pioctls in src/afs/afs_pioctl.c05:22
summatusmentisif that's helpful05:22
summatusmentisEdgester: where does the compile break?05:27
Edgestertrying to compile drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.o05:32
summatusmentisthis is on the n800?05:35
Edgestersummatusmentis: yes05:35
summatusmentiswhat's the error message?05:35
Edgesterhome/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work':05:36
Edgesterhome/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c:249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available05:36
summatusmentisis there a function defined on line 249?05:38
Edgesteryes: static inline void spi_pause_mutex_lock(void);05:39
summatusmentisthat's the declaration05:40
summatusmentisthat error message looks like it's declared, but not defined anywhere, whic seems weird to me05:40
Edgesterthat's what was on line 24905:41
Edgestersummatusmentis: which project are you working on?05:41
Edgesterdoes kafs make all of this pain go away?05:42
Edgesteror supposed to?05:42
summatusmentiswell, the premise behind kafs is to create an in-kernel afs client05:43
summatusmentisI'm writing the pioctl() calls, so that the OpenAFS userspace tools can operate with the kafs code, and not need to provide their own kernle code, I believe05:43
* Edgester cheers05:44
summatusmentisI'm rather behind, and may not get all the pioctl()s implemented this summer05:44
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Edgesteris it a gsoc project?05:45
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Edgesterhmmm, I hope you can get it done this summer or finish it afterwards05:46
summatusmentisI'll finish afterwards, my skillset wasn't great before this summer, so we're re-scoping this project05:47
summatusmentisI've got a month left, I'm trying to get as much done as possible this summer05:47
Edgestercool.good luck!05:47
summatusmentiswell, thanks :)05:48
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eeeJZAhi simple question05:49
eeeJZAwhere can I delete my old email05:49
summatusmentisit's possible that the diablo kernel sources trimmed out functions they decided they didn't need, beause of space constraints05:49
eeeJZAwhat is thepath where the email client store the email on chinook05:50
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EdgestereeeJZA: which email client are you using?05:50
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eeeJZAEdgester, the defautl one05:50
summatusmentisosso-mail or some such thing05:50
EdgestereeeJZA: I don't know, but try looking in /home/user, maybe in .documents05:51
eeeJZAsummatusmentis, yeah I want to know where does osso-mail store the email05:51
summatusmentisI found it once, don't recall where05:51
EdgestereeeJZA: all user files are under /home/user as far as I konw05:51
summatusmentisit's somehwere under /home/user, yes05:51
Edgestersummatusmentis: which nokia tablet do you have?05:52
summatusmentisn810, bought it at the workshop :)05:52
EdgestereeeJZA: check for hidden folders05:52
Edgestersummatusmentis: cool! forgive me, did we meet at the workshop?05:52
summatusmentiswe did, formally at the social thing. I'm the short kid with dreads :)05:53
summatusmentisunless I'm untterly confused as to who you are, but I don't believe so05:53
Edgesterdid we meet at the bbq or slates in NY?05:55
EdgesterI think I remember05:55
EdgesterI met too many ppl to remember names05:55
summatusmentisI probably had a blue bandanna on05:56
Edgestercool. I don't see a photo for you on the workshop site05:56
Edgesteroh well05:56
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EdgesterI do recall talking with someone at slates with dreads and was doing gsoc05:57
Edgesterr u in high school?05:57
eeeJZAEdgester, no luck so far05:58
summatusmentisno, this last year was my freshman year05:58
EdgestereeeJZA: I'm out of ideas. Idon't use the default mail client05:58
eeeJZAi guess /var/ could be another place05:58
summatusmentiseeeJZA: familiar w/ the command line?05:58
eeeJZAsummatusmentis, sure05:59
summatusmentisls -a in /home/user05:59
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eeeJZAI know I see many dot folders, and none look like mail05:59
t_s_oif your using diablo, the default place is /home/user/.modest06:00
summatusmentisit's not diablo, it's osso-mail in chinook06:00
eeeJZAt_s_o, no I am on chinook06:00
eeeJZAsummatusmentis, I dont see osso-mail06:01
eeeJZAsee osso-notes, osso_helo osso-sketch06:01
summatusmentiscan you easily pastebin the output?06:01
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summatusmentiseeeJZA: d'you mind pastebin'ing the output of ls -la /user/home/MyDocs?06:03
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Edgestergood night06:18
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Medic119listen to the crickets06:48
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eeeJZAsummatus|gone, u there07:14
eeeJZAsummatus|gone, u got the pastebin?07:15
eeeJZAanyone here know where does n800 stores email07:15
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user_no idea07:16
user_man diablo sucks07:17
user_well the way it is now07:17
mouser-user_: What are you having problems with?07:17
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GeneralAntillesDiablo is amazing over here.07:18
eeeJZAmouser-, I am trying to find where does the email client store the emails07:19
user_the browser , email, app manager, sluggish overall07:19
GeneralAntillesYou sure your internal card isn't corrupted?07:20
GeneralAntillesAll of those things should be faster and more stable than their Chinook counterparts.07:20
GeneralAntillesIf they aren't then there's something wrong with your system07:20
user_oh yeah, you already helped me out with that one :p07:20
GeneralAntillesand it sounds like a corrupt internal card.07:20
user_If you are, who who I think you are07:21
GeneralAntillesCards can become corrupted more than once07:22
GeneralAntillesDo you have virtual memory on?07:22
user_I guess I have to send this back in07:22
user_yes, and I've recently format it07:22
* GeneralAntilles sighs.07:22
* GeneralAntilles goes back to doing useful things.07:22
user_gps is also a pain07:22
user_Hopefully sending it in, will take care of the issues07:23
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rm_youi've heard n810 GPS is kinda of lame, actually, though diablo supposedly made it way better with the use of agps?07:26
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GeneralAntillesEr, well, not Diablo per se07:27
GeneralAntillesThe A-GPS beta07:27
rm_youis a diablo thing, right ?+?07:27
burntethe GPS is good, btu the AGPS makes it much better07:27
burntewhen it doesn't completely BREAK Your GPS07:27
mouser-maybe it's more alpha then beta, then?07:28
burnteI"D say that, yeah07:28
burnteI had the agps deal on my 810, worked great, then I needed to reflash for other reasons, and the agps then broke my gps entirely07:28
burnteso i had t to reflash to fix that07:28
burntescrewes up the supldaemon somehow07:28
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user_so how does a gps work?07:33
user_do I have to keep the agps app open?07:34
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GeneralAntillesMost awesome change log ever: agps-ui (0.10-1beta) unstable; urgency=low* New version07:36
GeneralAntillesSomebody should email that maintainer and tell them to get a clue.07:37
burntewhat happens is it works in the backgroun, asking their server what sats should be visible at the current time of day07:41
user_hey general, is there a gps tracker app for 8x0?07:42
burntethere's a UI for it to set your general loaction07:42
user_or anyone that would know07:42
burntethis lets the gps chip know what sats to look for, rather than waititng to see ANY signal07:42
GeneralAntillesEr, Maemo Mapper? . . .07:42
user_yea, but I can't seem to have so it leaves  a trail on the map07:42
GeneralAntillesTurn tracks back on.07:43
GeneralAntillesThere's an option in the menu.07:43
user_oh nice07:43
GeneralAntillesEscape key may toggle it by default07:43
GeneralAntillesDon't remember.07:43
tank-mandown on dpad for track i think07:43
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GeneralAntillesDpad has to do with orientation by default07:44
tank-manleft and right on dpad are the keys to rotate07:47
user_hmm can't seem to find any option that specifies that07:47
tank-manyou dont need more than 2 buttons to rotate07:47
user_you know the 810 has excellent word completion07:48
GeneralAntillesuser_, settings. . . .07:48
GeneralAntillesEverything you need is in Maemo Mapper's settings.07:48
rm_youerr, is the word completion stuff using a bayesian algorithm?07:48
rm_yousometimes i wonder07:49
user_all I have in settings is the unit and language, nothing else :/07:49
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user_rm_you, not sure but I have many devices with word completion ... and none come close to the 81007:50
GeneralAntillesuser_, what settings are you looking at? :\07:50
user_810 is dead on for me 95% of the time, which is uncanny07:51
GeneralAntillesI like it when my N800 learns things like "motherfucker" and tries to suggest that for me later on.07:51
rm_youmine learned my passwords <_<07:52
burnteyeah, kinda odd when you see that pop up in trext boxes07:52
rm_yousince xterm doesnt mask them like the input thing expects07:52
burnte"Hrmm, no, I don't want to tell them my password is fubar"07:52
GeneralAntillesMost awesome change log ever:
burntetalk abotu detail overload!07:54
GeneralAntilless/awesome/utterly useless/07:55
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Most utterly useless change log ever:
burntewhat kind of bot is that?07:56
rm_youan information bot :P07:56
burnteI knew someone was gonna say that.07:56
burnteeggdrop, mozbot, other?07:56
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robinkIf I want to use the Diablo distro, do I specify diablo/tools or diablo/sdk as the distro?07:57
user_worked it Gen, thanks07:57
burnterob" tools, IIRC07:57
robinkburnte: OK.07:58
user_now if can only get this GPS to work :p07:58
infobotversion is probably Kernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d07:58
GeneralAntillesrobink, both07:59
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GeneralAntilles"diablo/sdk diablo/tools"07:59
robinkGeneralAntilles: Ah.08:00
burntewhat's in sdk taht's valuable to msot folks?08:00
robinkIn quotes in the Application Manager?08:03
user_I give up on the GPS for now :p08:03
robinkThere seems to be some overlap between sdk and tools08:04
robinkDo I create two separate repo entries?08:05
GeneralAntillesIf you want08:05
GeneralAntillesThere's no need, though.08:05
robinkSpecifying 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' confuses apt-get.08:05
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user_hey is there a way to install Opera on the 810 ... I may be wrong but I think Opera was used on 800?08:06
GeneralAntillesOpera was used for part of OS200708:06
GeneralAntillesIt sucks, though.08:06
user_did it?08:07
GeneralAntillesI used it a _lot_ on OS2005-OS2007.08:07
user_I was using it on buddies pocket pc, and its awesome08:07
user_tabbed, fast, organized08:08
burntehave you tried the fennec alphas from mozilla? Sucks compared to microb.08:08
burntespeed wise08:08
GeneralAntillesYeah, well, Opera 8.5 != Opera 9.508:08
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burnteI was pleasantly surprised how recent the gecko version is in microb08:08
GeneralAntillesIt's Gecko 1.9 alpha 108:08
user_hopefully the tablet returns to Opera .... but doubt it08:08
GeneralAntillesI hope not08:09
robinkGeneralAntilles: So I am supposed to put 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' in the distro field of Application Manager (w/o quotes, of course)?08:09
GeneralAntillesOpen source > Proprietary08:09
GeneralAntillesrobink, I seem to remember that working, but you might as well just have two separate entries if it's not working for you.08:09
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robinkGeneralAntilles: OK08:09
GeneralAntillesburnte, svn is much closer to trunk.08:09
user_general, do you use Canola?08:10
GeneralAntillesIt was _much_ better when Navi compiled it about a month before Diablo came out.08:10
GeneralAntillesScrolling was like butter.08:10
user_If so, do you have gaps between tracks, during playback?08:10
GeneralAntillesThere hasn't been a recent Diablo-compatible svn compile so far, though.08:10
GeneralAntillesuser_, that's a DSP issue.08:10
user_sorry DSP means?08:11
GeneralAntillesGapless playback is currently not a possibility with the DSP setup.08:11
GeneralAntillesThe audio coprocessor.08:11
GeneralAntillesHardware decoder for mp3s, basically.08:11
burnteit shoudl be possible, it shoudl be about how the os feeds teh dsp data08:11
burntehardware decoding doesn't mean you can't have gapless, you jsut need to support the decoder properly08:11
user_ah, so I guess that wont be fixed until the next tablet then, I guess08:11
burnteI'd guess eventually someone will grok the idea of caching data and keeping a solid stread fed to the decoder08:12
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GeneralAntillesburnte, like I said, the issue is with the current DSP implementation.08:12
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burnteGeneralAntilles: I grasp that, my point is it's not terribly difficult to work around those hardware limits08:12
user_so there is a chance, if implemented properly, that we can get gapless playback?08:13
GeneralAntillesThere was some detailed discussion on the issue on -developers or somewhere that might be worth digging up.08:13
GeneralAntillesuser_, sure.08:13
GeneralAntillesI don't think it's a high-priority issue for Nokia, though.08:13
user_I download UKMP, and it seemed pretty gapless08:13
burnteuser_: Yeah, Apple finaly got around to a workaround for the ipod, but like GeneralAntilles said, Nokia doesn't see the 8x0 as primarily an mp3 player. :_)08:14
user_ah, thats too bad08:14
user_they should08:14
burntethird party software could still address it, though08:14
GeneralAntillesThanks, no.08:14
GeneralAntillesI'd rather have them focused on things like the browser, and UI.08:14
user_but I dont see why it cant be sort jack of all trades08:15
burnteit can be, but nokia can only throw so many resources at development08:15
GeneralAntillesIt is a jack of all trades08:15
GeneralAntillesjust a master of none.08:15
user_I like the sound of this tablet better then iphone08:15
GeneralAntillesResources aren't unlimited.08:15
burnteand we'd rather nokia focus on the big stuff, let the OSS community come up with a gapless media player08:15
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user_well its just one of those things08:15
user_if they fix it, would be awesome08:16
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GeneralAntillesI'm interested in seeing where things will go with the significantly more open OMAP3.08:16
user_what's that, bud?08:16
GeneralAntillesWe're crippled a lot by the fact that OMAP2 is so closed.08:16
burntethe CPU08:16
user_the processor08:16
burnteyep. it'll be easier to access the 3d abilities, etc.08:17
GeneralAntillesThe SoC, technically.08:17
user_why not have a sep gpu?08:17
burntepower and cost08:17
GeneralAntillesSo, the processor, memory controller, GPU, audio hardware, etc, etc08:17
burntethe gpu integrated isn't bad, it's jsut hard to use thanks to the design.08:17
burntethe next gen of the design is more open, as GeneralAntilles said08:18
GeneralAntillesImagination Tech is really shitty about open source.08:18
user_well I'm outs for now08:20
user_nice talking to guys08:20
robinkHmm, I realized how I can have one entry for Diablo08:20
robinkdist is 'diablo' and repositories is 'sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools-08:20
GeneralAntillesAh, right.08:21
* GeneralAntilles recalled incorrectly.08:21
* robink is running 'apt-get -o Dir::Cache::archives=/media/mmc2/.apt-cache-archive dist-upgrade'08:23
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robinkGah, out of disk space08:34
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robinkDo I have to remove packages first?08:37
robinkI don't want to re-flash.08:37
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robink...and it's bricked08:55
burntewhat's up there?08:55
GeneralAntillesrobink, you do realize that the SDK repository stuff isn't really intended to be used on the device, right?08:56
robinkGeneralAntilles: I did not know that.08:56
robinkGeneralAntilles: I do now.08:56
* burnte refrains from pointing to scrollback, where he said tools only, and asking why someone else recommended SDK too... :)08:56
GeneralAntillesWell, there are things in the SDK repository that can be useful on the device.08:58
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GeneralAntillesSo it's not an invalid thing to install.08:58
burntetrue, but I'd recommend against it for msot users08:58
GeneralAntillesBut dist-upgrading with it is a particularly bad plan. <_<08:58
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robinkOh :-/08:59
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GeneralAntillesThat probably installs gnutils08:59
GeneralAntillesWhich is a nice fast-track to reboot loop land.08:59
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JaffaMorning, all09:18
GeneralAntillesHey, Jaffa.09:18
burnteGeneralAntilles: LOL @ Er, it's designed to exactly imitate a fictional computer GUI in a scifi TV show, what in the world did you expect? <_<09:25
Stskeepsconference paper idea.. "The Usability of the LCARS Interface from Star Trek"? :P09:26
burntesounds like a doctoral thesis to me!09:26
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GeneralAntillesLCARS on the tablets has to be the coolest theme on any platform ever.09:28
burnteI will admit it's pretty badass09:28
GeneralAntillesNothing one could ever be seen in public with, of course.09:28
GeneralAntillesEverything right down to the small sound effects is just perfect.09:28
burnteKinda like how the latter seasons of Stargate used GP32 units for Carter's portable sensor units, and Atlantis used color Palm devices.09:28
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burnteof course, using an n810 on screen would make people wonder, "So, Nokia is still around making 810s in the twenty fourth century?"09:29
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JaffaHmm, odd. I'm getting "connection refused" when trying to SSH to my N810: sshd is running; it has a wifi connection; the IP address is correct.09:39
Stskeepsis it running and showing up in netstat -an?09:40
GeneralAntillesYou pissed it off and now it doesn't want to talk to you.09:40
GeneralAntillesI'd start with flowers.09:40
Stskeeps.. and chocolate09:41
JaffaStskeeps: yep, and listening on
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JaffaAh, there might be something wrong with the router.09:42
Stskeepscheck with tcpdump the conn refused packet comes from the n810?09:43
JaffaSorted by rebooting the wireless router09:43
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Italodancewhat's KDE?10:22
GeneralAntillesWe get really uncreative spammers around here.10:24
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zontarpoor GeneralAntilles10:24
Stskeepsyeah, atleast they could spam some porn urls or something10:25
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robinkDoes A-GPS work yet?10:37
robinkMaemo Mapper?10:39
Italodancewhat's KDE?10:39
GeneralAntillesGotta give it props for endurance10:41
GeneralAntillesbut damn is it uncreative and lame.10:41
zontarpoor GeneralAntilles10:41
GeneralAntillesItalodance, ever heard of google?10:41
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zontarGeneralAntilles sucks10:42
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zontarGeneralAntilles is a moron10:43
ItalodanceGeneralAntilles is it available for maemo?10:43
zontarhe is a moron10:43
burntedear god I hope not10:43
burnteI can't imagine KDE being shoehorning into the maemo platform10:44
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GeneralAntillesburnte, it actually works fine.10:44
zontarGeneralAntilles is a wanker10:44
burntethat is truly amazing10:44
zontarburnte sucks10:44
burnteI mean, I like kde over gnome, but it's not svelte.10:44
zontarburnte sucks10:44
burnteis that a trollbot or something?10:45
GeneralAntillesIf it is, it's about the most embarrassing trollbot I've ever seen.10:45
zontarpoor GeneralAntilles10:45
zontardo you admit you're poor?10:46
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burnteit's like eliza, but with lame insults10:46
GeneralAntillesIt's been at it for _months_10:46
zontarLuke, I am your father10:46
lcukLook, you are a tosser10:47
zontarlcuk sucks10:47
qwerty12your mom sucks my cock10:47
lcukdid she take her false teeth out first?10:47
burntesomeone needs to bring out the banhammer.10:48
GeneralAntillesflorian needs to put some new people on the access list.10:48
lcukhes quite an enterprising troll, hes in a number of channels10:48
zontarqwerty12: you go to fart10:48
GeneralAntillesYeah, qwerty12, go to fart!10:49
GeneralAntillesDo not pass GO do not collect $20010:49
qwerty12OH NOEZ!10:49
zontarqwerty12 is lame10:50
lcukzontar, do you troll in the windows channel you are in as well?10:50
zontarlcuk: shut up10:50
qwerty12zontar, that's what not what I heard while I was gettin head10:50
qwerty12(btw, I am sorry to anyone else if my comments offend)10:51
GeneralAntillesYeah, lcuk, STFU!10:51
zontarqwerty12: shut up10:51
qwerty12nah, don't feel like it10:51
burntewait, are we getting on his nerve?10:51
burntein sontar a little touchy about his mom?10:51
zontarburnte is a moron10:51
burntelook, man, it's not your fault she's friendly.10:51
qwerty12I liked the touchy I was getting y/day10:51
burnteif she wasn't friendly, we wouldn't have you, zontar!10:52
zontarnice try, but you failed10:52
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* robink looks for OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo.10:52
qwerty12dunno about that, I laughed10:52
zontardidn't I tell you to shut up10:52
burnterobink: join in, we're tryint to make zontar cry10:53
burnteit's like a sport10:53
qwerty12now I'll tell you, I don't give a fuck if you told me to shut up pussio10:53
robinkburnte: How do you make a bot cry?10:53
zontarrobink: bots don't cry10:53
burntekick it in it's bolts and nuts!10:53
burnteer, its10:54
zontarburnte can't even write10:54
qwerty12<zontar> qwerty12: you go to fart10:54
qwerty12<zontar> far10:54
burnteyeah, it's hard to concentrate when you're mom is under my desk10:54
qwerty12hypocrisy at it's best10:54
zontaryou go to fart too :-)10:54
zontarburnte: burn in hell10:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, qwerty12, STFU!10:55
burnteright back atcha, babe!10:55
zontarGeneralAntilles: correct10:55
robinkYeargh I can't play my OGG files!10:55
zontarrobink sucks10:55
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robinkzontar: The lack of OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo is your fault.10:55
qwerty12Just put in kulve's repo with the distribution set to chinook.10:56
lcukzontar, is this your lifes ambition then10:56
zontarlcuk sucks10:56
lcukyou say that like it means something10:56
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zontarit means that you suck10:57
GeneralAntillesYeah, lcuk sucks air after running a mile!10:58
lcukim surprised you havent created your own trollbot10:58
lcukme? run a mile? gen you are off your rocker10:59
GeneralAntillesI started at 10 and worked my way down. :P11:00
burntethat's funny, zontar's mom started at the top adn worked her way down, too!11:01
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yigalanyone know of a good cheap phone to tether to an n800, I have blackberry which doesn't work consistantly and that is just unacceptable11:06
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yigalconsistantly == can tether to a linux box as a modem for 10 minutes and then it dies11:07
GeneralAntillesWhat provider?11:08
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robinkWill Maemo 5.0 require a N900?11:09
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yigalGeneralAntilles: tmobile, really slow but for emails it's still fine11:09
GeneralAntillesrobink, shouldn't if Nokia sticks to their promises.11:09
robinkGeneralAntilles: Huzzah.11:10
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lcukGeneralAntilles, wheres the document explaining lifetime11:26
GeneralAntillesI don't know of anything off-hand.11:27
GeneralAntillesBut they guaranteed two releases per tablet.11:27
GeneralAntillesTwo real releases.11:27
lcuksounds like 2 to me11:27
GeneralAntillesi.e., OS2007 and OS2008.11:28
GeneralAntillesEven if your Chinook+Diablo hypothesis held any water, that would still leave the N810W with only one release. ;)11:28
lcukso if the new device is such a major technological advance they should sit on it and not release and get the best of it11:29
lcuk810w is not in the stores yet11:29
lcukthat could just as easily be dropped11:29
GeneralAntillesEr, what do you mean?11:29
lcukcan i buy an 810w?11:29
GeneralAntillesJust because you have to support old hardware doesn't mean you can have new features.11:29
GeneralAntillesIt's on pre-order at a number of places.11:30
GeneralAntillesApple seemed to manage just fine with Quartz Extreme.11:30
lcukapple are a bad example, they throw away the old and in with the new often dont they11:30
lcukinstant stop on all dev for classic and move onto new stuff11:30
GeneralAntillesIf by "old" you mean hardware from 2001.11:31
robinkDoes the N810 WiMax edition work with Clearwire's network?11:31
lcuknow its old, but at the time it wasnt11:31
GeneralAntillesYeah, things are old once they're old.11:31
GeneralAntillesLeopard drops support for G4 CPUs less than 867MHz or with less than 512MB of RAM.11:32
GeneralAntillesThat's 2001.11:32
lcukand the 8x0 will struggle to keep up with its super sibling11:32
GeneralAntillesYour point?11:32
lcuknoone will see it as an upgrade if it makes device slooooow its not like a pc where you can upgrade the graphics card etc11:33
lcukwell - i might be wrong there11:33
lcukif i am forget everything ;)11:33
* GeneralAntilles sighs.11:33
GeneralAntillesThis is too inane a discussion for this early in the morning.11:33
GeneralAntillesI'm sorry.11:33
lcuki agree, sorry11:33
lcuki just thought there was a list of release stuff and roadmap11:34
GeneralAntillesRoadmap is a 100 days task.11:34
RST38hmoo, gentlemen11:34
lcukwhos up for bacon?11:36
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lcukits sunday morning, bacon on toast and a brew is perfect11:37
lcukback later11:37
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rm_youhow do i make a patch with diff?12:26
rm_youdoes it just automagically work?12:26
robinkdiff file1 file2 > whatever.patch12:26
rm_youit doesn't look like the patches i normally see >_>12:27
qwerty12try with -urN switch12:27
rm_youthere we go12:27
rm_youthanks qwerty1212:27
* qwerty12 thanks johnx for giving me those switches)12:28
* robink needs to learn diff, as he's been spoiled rotten by SCMs.12:28
qwerty12atm, I'm applying patches by hand (again >.<)12:28
robinkqwerty12: Someone else's patches, or your own?12:29
qwerty12Someone else's, I'm using the xchat 2.8.4 patches to hildonise 2.8.612:29
robinkThere's no SCM for that?12:29
robinkWith Git it'd be easy.12:29
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qwerty12No idea, I got them from svn and there is a quilt patch series file but I don't know about quilt much and lots of them aren't applying cleanly.12:30
robinkOh, bummer12:30
qwerty12Only 14 more patches to go :)12:31
timelywhat are you patching?12:31
robinktimely: xchat12:31
robinkWill ogg support be reintroduced into the Diablo package repository?12:32
qwerty12Was it ever in extras?12:33
robinkqwerty12: It was either in extras or the standard maemo repository for Chinook, not sure.12:33
timelyask the repo searcher :)12:33
timelyrobink: it's highly unlikely it was in standard12:33
timelygiven that the lawyers have issues w/ it12:33
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qwerty12robink, ahh, I just thought it was only in kulve's repo.12:33
timelyor seem to have issues12:33
timely(you can't get official statements from lawyers)12:34
aquatixanyone else tried the newer modest version?12:34
robinktimely: What legal issues are there w/ OGG?12:34
robinkqwerty12: Nope.12:34
timelyrobink: as i said, you can't get lawyers to speak :)12:34
timelybut the general understanding is that ogg is blocked by lawyers :)12:35
aquatix[chinook package]12:35
* aquatix is looking for the modest weeklies12:35
timelyrobink: google should be able to explain their skittishness12:35
robinkmplayer is gone too :(12:37
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robinkSo is theora12:38
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qwerty12konttori, mtp is horrible :P12:38
GeneralAntillesrobink, the packager for mplayer is on vacation.12:39
rm_youcan grab most packages that aren't available for diablo yet by adding the chinook extras repo12:39
GeneralAntillesYou can pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras.12:39
rm_youGeneralAntilles: applied daperl's patch from the forms... checking it out12:40
lcuk2guys, do i need putty on my linux laptop to connect to a ssh shell?12:40
rm_youlcuk: use ssh12:40
robinkoh yeah12:40
qwerty12lcuk2, many clients12:40
lcuk2yer that just does a single command12:40
robinkUm no12:40
rm_youlcuk2: ssh user@host12:40
GeneralAntilleslcuk, ssh shell == "secure shell shell" :P12:40
rm_youthen run commands12:40
lcuk2ahhh i always use ssh user@host "command"12:41
rm_youyou are always very odd :P12:41
* qwerty12 is surprised that ubuntu only distribute the gtk1 version. Even for my half arsed compile of putty for the tablets, I used gtk 2.12:41
lcuk2feck off im trying to actually do it right12:41
rm_youlcuk2: just poking fun :P12:41
rm_youi still dont understand putty for tablets >_> they have ssh natively12:42
lcuk2then dont poke it there12:42
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, if we couldn't razz the Windows users our world would be empty and meaningless. :P12:42
lcuk2it is anyway :p12:42
lcuk2wooot anyway im in thank you12:42
rm_youlinux users and mac users battle it out, and windows users are the common prey :P12:42
lcuk2lol what asbout bsd12:43
lcuk2or is that dead12:43
qwerty12what about bsd? :P12:43
aquatixbsd rocks12:43
qwerty12BSD = Bull Shit Distro :P12:43
* aquatix looks around at his boxes12:43
aquatixonly not on my machines ;)12:43
rm_youBSD is above the squabbling :P they just sit and look down on us battling it out12:43
rm_youand sip their beer12:43
aquatixrm_you: :)12:44
* robink wants to understand how OSX works so he can know whether or not to hate it.12:44
GeneralAntilless/OSX/OS X/12:44
rm_youGeneralAntilles: pft. OSX :P12:44
GeneralAntillesrobink, it's FreeBSD with lots of proprietary stuff on top.12:44
qwerty12I want OS XXX12:44
robinks/\ /\\\ /12:44
rm_youI'm with qwerty12:44
* lcuk2 gives general another medal for pedantry12:44
GeneralAntillesNope, sorry.12:44
Veggenrobink: hmm. My impression: if you want to understand how it works, then OS X is not for you ;)12:44
robinkGeneralAntilles: It doesn't use the BSD kernel, does it?  I thought it was XNU on Mach.12:44
rm_youGeneralAntilles: my point was that I'll call it whatever I want :P12:45
aquatix`the' bsd kernel?12:45
Veggenrobink: it's not so easy to get under the hood of it as it is in for example Linux.12:45
GeneralAntillesrm_you, how's your linucks partition these days?12:45
robinkVeggen: Ah12:45
rm_yourunning well :P12:45
GeneralAntillesVeggen, I'd disagree with that assessment.12:45
GeneralAntillesIt's *nix "under the hood"12:45
robinkGeneralAntilles: XNU is UNIX?12:45
lcuk2yer but its got a turtleneck sweater covering it12:45
robinkI know the userland is BSD12:46
rm_yoummmm kinda want to call it OSeX, but that might not be an insult >_>12:46
VeggenGA: well, true. but there's a huge layer on top of that that isn't meant to poke through.12:46
rm_youI thought Darwin was BSD based, yes12:46
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robinkBSD uses XNU?12:46
robinkOh, XNU is BSD on Mach.12:47
lcuk2gawd, 197 updates and a restart required.  its like windows12:48
* GeneralAntilles eyeroll12:48
aquatixrestart required is bull12:49
qwerty12lcuk2, I had to go through 249 :P12:49
aquatixthat's only so you load the new kernel probably12:49
lcuk2well thats ubuntu tellin me that12:49
qwerty12I'd agree with aquatix12:49
GeneralAntillesI've got a bunch of updates I need to install. . . .12:49
aquatixmyeah, ubuntu can tell me more12:49
lcuk2its not bull, its to save the user from runnin command line12:50
aquatixlcuk2: to load the new kernel?12:50
aquatixi only get it when a kernel component is updated12:50
lcuk2probably, but what do i know im a windows sheep12:50
* lcuk2 baaaas12:50
aquatixservices get restarted automatically12:50
lcuk2yer i know12:51
* aquatix plays some netgame12:51
aquatixsay, where can i find those modest weeklies?12:51
aquatixare they still being created?12:51
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rm_youlcuk2: yeah, restart is never required unless it's a new kernel >_>12:51
rm_youlcuk2: though, i think there is actually a way to pivot in a new kernel? I was looking into that a while back12:52
lcuk2well you tell u-fluffin-buntu that cos it told me to restart12:52
qwerty12rm_you, kexec?12:52
rm_youcause i didn't want to lose my uptime but i needed a new kernel feature :P12:52
rm_youyeah, ubuntu is designed for windoze sheep :)12:52
lcuk2well my uptime will be lost, how will i ever manage to break 45 minutes again12:52
aquatixyay, my home server broke 150 days of uptime today12:53
GeneralAntillesaquatix, no, they're not being compiled weekly for Diablo12:53
GeneralAntillesYet, anyway.12:53
aquatixGeneralAntilles: hm :(12:53
qwerty12Meh, the migration feature of 8.04 is dodgy. I tell it to copy my internet explorer (which I never use btw) and firefox settings into the ubuntu firefox. It copies the internet explorer stuff but not the firefox stuff.12:53
GeneralAntillessvn is available, though.12:53
GeneralAntillesjohnx compiled it a few days ago with good results.12:53
aquatixi did the install on the site, which installed some newer stuff, but failed on the modest v24 package itself12:54
lcuk2svn on device?12:54
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GeneralAntilleslcuk2, the svn of Modest.12:54
aquatixmaybe i should install the SDK and try svn12:54
lcuk2i realised12:55
Cptnodegardtheres a 770 in harold and kumar 2 (movie), but they call it 7710 [/tabletspotting]12:55
aquatixany of you use svn on maemo?12:55
aquatixi get errors about lock files iirc12:55
lcuk2aquatix yes12:55
lcuk2i have no problems12:55
lcuk2rights issue on user ?12:55
aquatixin main mem, or on mmc?12:55
* aquatix tries again12:56
lcuk2mmc1 its ummmmm something2 fs12:56
aquatixdidn't try it on diablo yet12:56
aquatixah, k12:56
aquatixstill have fat on it12:56
lcuk2fat has no perms maybe svn tries setting rights12:56
aquatixdoes ext2 work out-of-the-box or do i need a module for it?12:57
aquatixyeah, i know12:57
aquatixthat's why i asked ;)12:57
lcuk2i think it just worked12:57
GeneralAntillesIt works out of the box.12:57
qwerty12aquatix, there's the needed modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current (mbcache and ext2)12:57
GeneralAntillesmodules are in the initfs12:57
aquatixso, just format it and change in fstab?12:57
lcuk2if not its not tough (cant be if im using it)12:57
aquatixGeneralAntilles: thanks12:58
aquatixgoing to read that12:58
lcuk2this laptop is hot12:59
aquatixhm, i don't need a fat partition i'd say?12:59
lcuk2i didnt i use ssh for access12:59
lcuk2only need fat for usb and windows12:59
GeneralAntillesKinda nice to have for swap from the GUI.12:59
GeneralAntillesBut isn't necessary.13:00
aquatixi meant mentions creating 2 partitions13:00
GeneralAntillesOnly because most people will likely want to keep their FAT partition.13:00
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aquatixah, i could put swap on it indeed13:00
* qwerty12 goes to compile GtkSpell. I could do with it for the maemo xchat :/13:02
GeneralAntilleslol, qwerty12, that would be sweet.13:03
lcuk2qwerty make sure you include the chav dictionary13:03
qwerty12getting me a translator for the dodgy northern talk is higher on my priority list13:04
lcuk2arent you from up here though13:04
qwerty12Yep >.<13:05
qwerty12(which is why I always feel a sense of betrayal when I say these things :/)13:05
lcuk2we were once on our way to milton keynes for something and stopped at service station - we were surrounded be arsenal fans, the missus was livid13:06
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lcuk2she wanted to say something about utd just beating them (they were on way home dejected) but i thought it best we just get out quick13:07
qwerty12yeah, good plan. I was once lucky that no one heard me saying that west ham was shit on upton park station on a match day (the station's near the stadium)13:08
Makeghois there a way in this x terminal to hide the "abc"/"fn" bar?13:09
GeneralAntillesAnybody else getting weird icon stretching on fiferboy's applets in Diablo?13:09
qwerty12No idea but I managed to make his yellow notes port disappear into maemo space by making it really small.13:10
aquatixMakegho: yeah, you need to disable control panel13:10
aquatixtext input, languages tab13:10
aquatixsettings > uncheck things13:11
lcuk2qwerty little notes for little people :p13:11
qwerty12nah, in London, we got bigger things to do :P13:12
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Makeghoaquatix: the view with auto-capitalization qand such?13:13
aquatixproblem is that it disables auto-capitalisation too ;)13:14
aquatixbut it will cause the abs/fn bar to disappear13:14
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Makeghodo I need to remove the others too?13:15
aquatixafraid so13:15
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disqso, tabs in maemo soon? :P13:16
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MakeghoI wish there was a button to hide it13:17
GeneralAntillesshift-space should toggle.13:17
Makeghogreat, thanks!13:17
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ???13:17
aquatix*now* you're telling me :)13:18
Makeghoauto caps is good to disable still though. It just lets me do more work.13:18
GeneralAntillesaquatix, that's, like, the most irritating bug on the N800.13:18
rm_youwhich bug?13:18
GeneralAntillesIt'll turn on with a bluetooth keyboard but it's almost impossible to make it go away13:19
timelyGeneralAntilles = ~ s/proprietary/pretty/13:20
Makeghoafter using n810's keyboard the 3110 classic keyboard feels almost good :/ these keys need so much force.13:21
Makeghoit's probably because it's so hard to hit the center of the tiny buttons13:22
GeneralAntillesWho the hell is in charge of laying out
GeneralAntillesIt's impossible to find anything there by clicking around.13:23
* timely chuckles13:23
* GeneralAntilles considers filing a torrent of bugs.13:23
timelygood for karma ;-)13:23
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AStormMakegho: nah, you just can't type ;P13:25
AStormthey don't need much force13:25
AStormyou probably abuse them, because you can't feel when they're depressed13:26
GeneralAntillesWho the hell comes up with URLs like that?13:26
MakeghoAStorm: yeah, seems the decision of growing this big fingers was a mistake ^.. heey, what chazracter broke the terminal13:27
qwerty12How comes nokia provide a pdf of the maemo diablo reference manual but not their api docs? I had to winhttrack the api section :?13:27
MakeghoI can't get any more characters with the chr button13:28
Makegho*that character13:28
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, file an enhancement request. :P13:28
qwerty12Good idea, I'd do it if my eyes weren't straining from looking at 14+ patches >.<13:29
Makeghoit's still hogging screen area though, but the area is just empty13:29
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Makeghocan't reproduce the bug13:37
Makeghotoo bad13:37
Makeghosuccess. first hide the abc-view with shift+space, then enter that symbol from the chr menu13:40
Makeghochr menu stops working so I suppose it dies.13:40
aquatixMakegho: what char?13:41
aquatix^ ?13:41
aquatixit's on Fn+X too btw ;)13:41
Makeghofn+x has ~ for me13:42
aquatixhm, ~ is on C here13:42
* aquatix has US qwerty13:42
MakeghoFinnish layout here13:42
aquatixyeah, guessed so13:42
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Makeghoso now I need to boot to get it working13:43
Makeghounfortunately I don't have time  for further analysis now. Need to check it later and maybe fill in a bug report if no-one else does that13:44
GeneralAntillesAtarii, ping.13:50
rm_youAnyone on with a 770 running OS2007HE with fanoush's kernel? :P13:51
rm_youor possibly OS2006HE i suppose ... >_>13:52
AtariiGeneralAntilles pong13:52
Atariirm_you i have 2006 and 2008HE13:53
GeneralAntillesAtarii, you're running OS2008HE, have you flashed any of fanoush's kernel's?13:53
Atariithe 24Mhz one13:53
GeneralAntillesrm_you, OS2006 wasn't HE. :P13:53
GeneralAntillesOK, I wasn't sure what the status was on fanoush's stuff and OS200813:53
rm_youAtarii: feel like testing out adv-backlight on the 770? :P13:55
rm_youshould install on 2008HE, and possibly even work ;P13:58
rm_youwith fanoush's kernel, of course13:58
qwerty12rm_you, does it use something like blset?13:58
qwerty12Ah cool :)13:59
qwerty12w00t, xchat 2.8.6 compiled! :)13:59
rm_youit does the same thing as blset, except in C instead of bash :P13:59
qwerty12Ok, libsexy or gtkspell?14:02
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Atariirm_you it complains about dependancy problems14:03
Atariibut i think my app manager is screwed so i had to do it via dpkg14:03
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Atariiomg rotation works14:06
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rm_youAtarii: did you force install it?14:09
rm_youi am working on the deps thing ATM, it's not on your side14:09
GeneralAntillesRotation does indeed work . . .14:09
* GeneralAntilles hopes a restart will fix that.14:09
Atariiit semi-installed, but its status is "broken"14:09
Atariialso rotation is kinda messed up, but its still awesome that it half works on the 770!14:10
GeneralAntillesWhat's the status of 770 rotation support?14:10
Atariiwell, the screen rotates, but only half the menus display14:12
rm_youyeah, i've heard that14:12
rm_youbut but but14:12
rm_youAtarii: does the brightness update?14:12
GeneralAntillesWell, it seems to work for OS2005. . . .
Atariiadjusting the brightness kills hildon desktop14:13
rm_youdamnit >_<14:13
Atariibut is that because of the dependancies?14:14
rm_youdon't think so...14:14
Atariinice, hadn't seen that before GeneralAntilles14:15
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Atariione of the dependency it complains about is libhildondesktop014:18
rm_yougive me a second14:23
rm_youand i'll link you a new package14:23
rm_yougo ahead and remove that one14:23
rm_youand get your dpkg setup all fixed :P14:24
rm_youit'll be about 4 hours while i wait for this upload to autobuilder, it to build it, and it to show up in -devel14:24
rm_youor maybe like 45 min, but still a while :P14:25
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, you do know Igor is a pretty significant kernel engineer in Nokia, right? :P14:29
lcuki don't give a tomhoot :)14:30
* lcuk speaks the truth14:30
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GeneralAntillesWell, the point being, he knows what he's talking about.14:30
rm_youwho be's IGOR?14:30
GeneralAntillesIgor Stoppa14:31
lcukso what do i do, bite my tongue just because he works for nokia?14:31
GeneralAntillesUh, no.14:31
lcukthey were bullshit reasons14:31
GeneralAntillesMy only point is that his opinion isn't one you should dismiss out of hand. ;)14:32
lcukis the wifi driver open or closed?  what about power saving module? charging?    dont these sit in the kernel somewhere?14:33
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GeneralAntillesWifi is a module, power saving is in the kernel and perfectly open, and charging is handled by bme (which doesn't have much to do at all with the kernel).14:35
GeneralAntillesAnybody know if there's a list anywhere of Gmail's different interfaces?14:35
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FoxxDoes anybody else take this article as an apple fanboy pissing and moaning about a non-apple product not being... a non-apple product?14:37
GeneralAntillesEh, maybe a little14:38
GeneralAntillesHe's no fanboy, though.14:38
GeneralAntillesHe was a fairly significant Newton dev back in the day. ;)14:38
Foxxits just a lot of bitching and whining about how the n800 ISNT a Newton14:38
GeneralAntillesSo he knows what the fuck he's talking about.14:38
Foxxalert the media, holy shit!!1 id idnt know that!14:38
GeneralAntillesConsider that you're probably experiencing a bit of a kneejerk gut-level anti-Apple reaction bias when you're reading that article, too. ;)14:39
Foxxcomparing a modern device to sone thats a decade old in itself is a moot point14:40
GeneralAntillesFoxx, you ever get to use a Newton?14:40
Foxxas a paperweight, yes14:41
Foxxbut thats as far as the thing went with me14:41
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Foxxunfortunately it was given to me with a messed up battery14:41
* GeneralAntilles can see he's not going to be entering into a rational discussion here.14:41
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Foxxi just dont see the point in debating which is a superior product, and pointing out the flaws, especially when they are a decade apart14:42
Foxxand typically ment for two different tasks14:42
GeneralAntillesThe sad part is that the Newton is 10 years old and is _still_ better than most modern PDAs and handhelds.14:42
Foxxhey, any job worth doing is worth doing right14:43
Foxxthe n800 isnt perfect, nor would i expect it to be, but so far it kicks any Windows Mobile devices' ass (thats ive owend anyways)14:44
aquatixwell, duh ;)14:44
aquatixtoo bad palm doesn't make anything decent anymore14:44
* aquatix uses a symbian uiq3 smartphone as pda now14:45
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rm_you[As an aside, you may not have realized this, but you can't set the N800 to its lowest brightness. Try it. Set it to its lowest value. Then wait for the screen dimmer to kick in. It'll get lower. Why?]14:46
rm_yousomeone should show him adv-backlight :P14:46
GeneralAntillesThat's way old14:46
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure if he's active anymore.14:46
GeneralAntillesautobuilder done yet?14:47
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rm_youyes i believe so14:52
rm_youshould be 0.12-3 in -devel for chinook14:52
GeneralAntillesDon't see it yet14:55
crashanddieQ: What do you do when the community around a certain problem does not reply at all ?14:57
crashanddie(on IRC, and there is no mailing list)14:57
GeneralAntillesHunt them down and kill them.14:57
GeneralAntillesAll of them.14:57
Foxx... think twice at calling them a community14:58
GeneralAntillesand I thought the Ubuntu community was the best ever at responding to questions.14:58
* GeneralAntilles eyeroll.14:58
crashanddienha, not Ubuntu15:00
crashanddieI'm talking about bluez here15:00
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crashanddieAnd there's lardman in #bluez, so they're not all bad !15:00
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crashanddiethey're just, very very very sleepy, and not keen answering15:00
aquatixi have disappearing [not appearing] images now and then when having multiple microb windows open15:01
aquatixany of you see that issue too?15:01
lcukoffer sexual favors to responders15:01
aquatixlcuk: *g*15:01
crashanddielcuk, they're not like you :P15:02
GeneralAntillesWell, rm_you, no desktop crash15:02
crashanddiethey're not as "open"15:02
GeneralAntillesbut no brightness change, either.15:02
Atariii actually really like this n800/newton article15:02
* lcuk has a firewall15:02
rm_youit's interesting, he has some good points15:02
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aquatixAtarii: which one?15:03
rm_youit also needs to be updated to take note of how well the community has accomplished some of the things on his list :P15:03
lcuki thought that article was very well put together, its a bit old now and i read it all a while ago15:03
aquatixAtarii: thanks15:03
Atariiit's true that some things are fixed not, but similarly some of his suggestions could still be viable15:04
GeneralAntillesWhy did it install 11-7?15:04
* lcuk goes back to puzzlefarter15:04
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Atariirm_you is the new one up?15:05
Atariiah thanks15:06
aquatixAtarii: ah, i know that article15:08
aquatixnice one indeed15:08
GeneralAntillesrm_you, 12-3 crashes hildon-desktop when you tap OK in Panels.15:08
rm_youerk, on n800 too?15:10
rm_youGeneralAntilles: wait, like... when you LOAD it!?15:11
rm_youjust 770 or also n800?15:14
Atariionly version 11-7 shows up in my app man15:15
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rm_youphew, 0.12-3 seems to work on my N80015:19
Atariigot it via web browser, now installing15:19
rm_youi recommend dpkg --purge advanced-backlight15:19
rm_youbefore install15:19
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rm_youor else you may need to reboot15:20
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Atariiconstant rebooting of the desktop :S15:23
Atariidamn, it's killed my OS15:26
aquatixnext you see Atarii ping timeout15:26
rm_youAtarii: but the one I linked you to prior to that did NOT crash like that?!15:27
Atariiit did, but it stopped15:27
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Atariiaquatix, im on laptop here :p15:27
GeneralAntilles11-7 was fine, just no backlight changes. 12-2 only crashed when changing the backlight slider.15:27
Atarii12-3 kills hildon-desktop, then it starts up again, rinse, repeat15:28
rm_youbut 12-2 DIDNT15:28
rm_youthe only change is the compilation stuff15:29
* GeneralAntilles would install rich core dumps and get one for you15:29
GeneralAntillesbut meh. :P15:29
rm_youIE, compiled in diablo SB versus chinook SB15:29
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summatusmentishmm... I wish the card manufacturers would get on top of making a 32GB microsd15:30
rm_youif I do: myfile = fopen(...), will  if (myfile) tell me if it opened correctly?15:32
|tbb1hi rm_you: will advancebacklight work properly under diablo?15:33
lcukit will be null on error i believe and you can call the syserr or whatever its called function15:33
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rm_you|tbb1: yes, works great... and it is now in extras repository15:33
rm_youlcuk: well, all i did between releases was add "if (myfile != NULL)" before my fprintf15:33
rm_youand it caused it to freak out and crash15:34
|tbb1for me the display brightness is always brighter than i set it, but if i set it again its okay15:34
rm_you|tbb1: i'm not sure i understand15:34
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Atariimy 2008HE OS is on the mmc, if i mount it on my laptop, can i stop adv-backlight running on boot?15:36
|tbb1i will check it again15:36
rm_youremove /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-backlight.desktop15:36
rm_youand then when it boots back up, --purge the package15:36
Atariithanks :D15:37
lcukrm_you, wheres the svn for your latest15:37
rm_youlol, sorry for that >_>15:37
rm_youlcuk: err... garage svn? >_>15:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, :P15:38
lcukthanks gen :)15:38
rm_youi was working on giving you the svn checkout command15:38
rm_youbut garage is SOOOOOOOO slow15:38
rm_youstill trying to navigate there15:38
rm_yousvn checkout
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lcukrm_you, what happens if you call fclose on a NULL handle?15:40
rm_yougood point15:41
rm_youno idea ;P15:41
rm_youthink that is it?15:41
lcuknot sure, but i wouldnt call OS commands on invalid pointers15:41
rm_youbut why didn't it crash without the check there? it would still be trying fclose on a null handle, AND fprintf >_>15:41
lcukor try not to anyway15:41
rm_youso, should i leave it as (myfile != NULL) or should it just be (myfile)?15:42
rm_youany non-null will be true there, yes?15:42
rm_youwell, any non-null file handle (1+)15:42
lcukthey mean the same in this system, but in different OS's NULL might not be zero15:42
lcukleave the check as != NULL, no1 will bitch at you for it15:43
lcukyour write to the backlight level is similar to how i write the cpufreq away15:44
rm_youand that should work fine right?15:45
lcukdoes it need the \n on it when it does get to writing it15:45
rm_youthis code used to work with n80015:45
rm_youback before we figured out dsme15:45
lcuklook here:  for cpufreq_governor_write15:46
rm_youhrm you use fputs15:47
rm_youother than that, no difference15:47
lcukfunctions are similar, but i dont call fclose when it failed to open15:47
rm_youyeah i fixed it15:47
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lcukwhy have you moved away from dmse again?15:48
lcukdsme ^15:48
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GeneralAntillesHey, pupnik. :)15:50
johnxwoo! back from work O_o15:50
GeneralAntillesMan, krisse is amazing at distilling stuff down for the newbies.15:50
summatusmentishi johnx15:51
johnxhey summatusmentis15:51
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rm_youlcuk: for 770 support, as it does not have/use dsme15:51
pupnikgood $timeofday15:52
lcukgood enough reason for me15:52
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kkrustywhen is the vm appliance for diablo coming?15:52
lcukheh pupnik, its $morning+6hours where you are isnt it :P15:52
GeneralAntillesIt's gonna be sweet once it gets working.15:53
pupnikeh, i'm +1 from you lcuk, aren't I?15:53
lcukyer, im thinking normal wake up time is about 8-9am :P15:53
GeneralAntillesBe nice if OS2008HE were inline with Diablo so we could just push fanoush's kernel through Application manager.15:54
* lcuk was woken up by the sound of youngest falling off eldests ladder15:54
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, would it be possible to detect kernel-support and only provide 9 levels if they don't have it installed?15:54
johnxGeneralAntilles, the HE releases use the older kernels though...not even at chinook level, IIRC15:54
GeneralAntillesYes, of course.15:55
GeneralAntillesBut what does that have to do with anything? :P15:55
rm_youGeneralAntilles: IE, doing it the gconf way? with only the default 5 or so levels available? >_>15:55
GeneralAntilles9 on the 77015:55
rm_younot in 2008HE?15:55
GeneralAntillesYes in OS2008HE.15:55
GeneralAntillesWell, I'm thinking that it'd still be worthwhile to be able to use the applet even if you don't have the kernel patch applied.15:56
rm_youyeah probably15:56
rm_youbut seriously? the os2008HE has a different default backlight applet than os2008 proper?15:56
rm_you... <_<15:57
GeneralAntillesIt's just 4 more levels.15:57
GeneralAntillesNo retarded N810 bullshit to get in the way. ;)15:57
rm_youI'm beginning to think that if people want 770 support, they should either code it themselves and submit a working patch, or else send me a 770 ><15:58
GeneralAntillesI offered15:58
GeneralAntillesYou declined. :P15:58
GeneralAntillesNow the offer's expired.15:58
* sp3000 looks at the bottom of
rm_youyay for svn artifacts15:59
sp3000well, any unattended merge regardless of particulat scm16:00
sp3000conflicting merge that is )16:00
sp3000MY EYES16:00
rm_youAtarii: so, you feel like testing it again? :P rofl16:01
rm_you should be available in several minutes... already past the autobuilder16:01
Stskeepsjohnx: <- various interesting things using DSME library16:03
johnxStskeeps, awesome, as usual! :D16:03
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Stskeepsjohnx: also i made zuh's hald-addon-retu-adc so it appears as a battery in HAL.. not sure it is 100% precise though16:04
t_s_ohmm, i recall the led on my N800 marking when the battery was fully charged while using chinook. but i dont recall seeing that led since i updated to diablo...16:04
johnxgah! so iwconfig can be used to set power saving without modifying anything else?16:04
Stskeepsjohnx: aye16:04
johnxI messed with that a bunch, but I didn't guess the right string O_o16:05
* johnx grumbles16:05
Stskeepsi first noticed the connection when i saw wlancond source :P16:05
johnxI did figure out how to set the CAM timeout to 51.3 seconds though :D16:06
Stskeepsjust tested it yesterday properly.. seems to have a good effect16:06
johnxdid you happen to rebuild xomap with the DPMS patch?16:06
rm_youso, debian support is moving along nicely?16:06
johnxrm_you, it appears so, thanks to people more diligent than me :D16:07
rm_youI'm beginning to feel the same way about adv-backlight >_>16:07
Stskeepsjohnx: nada - just using the one based off -beta316:08
johnxStskeeps, alright, I'll try and build that then16:08
Stskeepswhich has gone through several hacks on package level by now16:08
johnxalso, I'm looking at gpe-login for the login screen16:08
rm_youwhat are you using as a base? etch?16:10
rm_yousrsly? :P16:10
johnxrm_you, sid and lenny are the only things with armel support16:10
rm_youcool, i guess, but isn't that quite a moving target?16:10
Stskeepsi've bricked my setup 2-3 times so far16:10
Stskeepsbut in general it's okay16:10
rm_youi update ~50 packages a day on Sid <_<16:10
johnxStskeeps, so should I probably do a fresh install before I start hacking so that I have the state-of-the-art setup?16:11
Atariirm_you im back, 12-4 ready to go?16:11
Stskeepsjohnx: possibly - there's some nice packages on there by now16:11
rm_youAtarii: not quite... still waiting for it to show up16:12
Stskeepsand i altered installer a bit when fitting in the partitioner and mkfs part (not mandatory, just make sure your target isn't mounted)16:12
johnxalright, I'll try and poke at getting hildon stuff into poky while I wait16:12
Stskeepsi'm just wondering what next steps are for me besides documenting my latest changes :)16:14
johnxI don't know, I'll have to take a look, but the work you've put in so far is pretty freaking awesome16:14
Stskeepsi'm starting to see it as a viable development platform by now16:15
t_s_oone find the most interesting things digging into gconf. 1: the updates autocheck interval (1440, dont know if thats minutes, seconds or what). 2: that two options about leds and charging where turned off ;)16:15
johnxespecially with the power saving working16:15
Stskeepsof minor things needed - libgtkstylus support package that puts in export into etc/X11/Xsession.d/45gtkstylus :P16:16
|tbb1iirc the n8x0 has power management for the wlan adapter, will this also work in adhoc mode16:17
johnx|tbb1, I believe it won't16:17
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johnxAFAIK, no wlan adapter can do much (any?) power saving in ad-hoc16:18
Foxxwhat package did you install to get iwconfig working?16:18
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Atariiwireless tools16:18
Foxxi shoulda' figured ;}16:19
Foxxi figured it was wlan tools or somethin'16:19
|tbb|i never get connected to an ap through iwconfig on the tablet, i think the icd wont let me16:20
t_s_ohmm, seems that the led part of the display settings app sets the two led settings to off even with "other led use" option turned on...16:20
rm_youjohnx: does debian use xfce now or still matchbox16:21
johnxrm_you, beta3 is xfce, Stskeeps' installer drops you in an xterm16:21
rm_youi kind of felt the urge earlier to try a WM that actually supports multiple apps on the screen at once :P16:21
Stskeepsrm_you: but you can easily just apt-get install icewm and it sets up the x-window-manager alias correctly :P16:22
rm_youwonder how well it would work16:22
rm_youit seemed to work on the zaurus16:22
johnxit's pretty overrated on such a small screen I think, but I might try something clever with devilspie to make most apps maximize and some apps (calculator, dictionary, etc) run in a smaller window16:22
rm_youah cool :P16:22
* GeneralAntilles still doesn't get the KDE whores.16:23
rm_youAtarii: ok, ready:
Atariipurging this time16:27
johnxGeneralAntilles, tsk, tsk, no need to ask for a desktop-environment flamewar. :P16:28
|tbb|rm_you: whats new on the ab12-416:29
rm_youoh crap16:31
rm_youi just did ", ,bash_history" by accident, trying to tab-complete .bash_profile16:32
rm_youwow this sucks16:32
Atariirm_you it looks promising so far...16:32
rm_youi have no idea how many hundreds of commands just got run16:32
johnxI could see'll have to kill it too. the last thing it will do is source .bash_history...16:32
rm_youand what they did to my system16:33
johnxwere you root?16:33
rm_youinside scratchbox >_>16:33
rm_youso no16:33
johnxwell, that's actually kinda lucky16:33
rm_youno sudo password IIRC16:33
rm_youyeah but i need my scratchbox >_>16:33
johnxmaybe it's time for a new one16:34
rm_youthere are rm -r commands in there >_>16:34
rm_youlots of them16:34
GeneralAntillesrm_you, brightness still doesn't do anything.16:34
rm_youthank god i never did a rm -rf * in any directory16:34
Atariiyea same here16:34
Atariiat least it doesnt crash :)16:34
rm_youhrm, wonder why it isn't working16:34
rm_youcan you see if /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level exists?16:35
rm_you|tbb|: a few trivial bugfixes from the last release (all border cases), a new iconset, faster response time when changing backlight level, and hopefully 770 support16:36
rm_youit is failing to open that file16:36
rm_youI wonder why16:37
rm_youpermissions maybe16:37
rm_youls -l it16:37
rm_youtell me permissions16:37
|tbb|ah k.16:37
rm_youGeneralAntilles: yep it is a permissions issue16:39
rm_youGeneralAntilles: just to verify... can you tell me the permissions on that file16:39
Veggenrm: I didn't on the tablet. Done it on the wrong directory on production salary system box, once, though ;) (was gonna wipe on a test system to replicate it from production)16:39
rm_youAtarii: do this as root: chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level16:39
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rm_youVeggen: ick >_>16:40
Veggensince then, I've always verified and verified again before hitting enter whenever I type rm -rf * ;)16:40
rm_youheh well16:40
mmrany guys here with experience in rtcomm16:40
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rm_youthe .bash_history is basically the WORST file to source by accident >_>16:41
rm_youi mean, any other file, pft, whatever.... it'll prolly just break and exit... but bash_history is ENTIRELY proper commands16:41
rm_youand without their original context >_>16:41
rm_youAtarii: and then reload the applet16:42
Veggenmmr: Define experience? (or, just ask your question?)16:42
Atariireload the applet?16:42
mmrlol ok16:42
mmrany idea how to force a codec16:42
rm_youAtarii: erm, control panel -> panels, and uncheck it, click ok, back to panels, check it, ok16:43
mmrie g72916:43
mmror g71116:43
Veggenhm. not off hand. But there *might* be some gconf-tricks.16:44
Atariiooo well it worked! :D16:44
rm_youAtarii: :P16:44
mmrthats what i was thinking16:44
rm_youso it is working now with brightness adjusting? :P16:44
mmrhence the experience question ;)16:44
Atariibut then i moved it up and it killed my nokia, only removed the battery turned it back on :S16:44
Atariiill try again16:44
rm_youtry again? >_<16:44
rm_youmaybe it was a fluke :P16:45
* rm_you sighs16:45
Atariihope so, fingers crossed....16:45
Atariimaybe it got too excited for itself16:45
rm_youmaybe I need to remove the multithreading for the 770 file operation >_>16:45
lcukatarii, if it gets excited by installing a backlight app, imagine what would happen if you showed it nokia battery replacement pictures ;)16:46
Veggenmmr: hm. you can list your gconf-tree with gconftool -R /, and then search in that and see what you find.16:46
Atariiso it works, but it dies after 124 value on the brightness16:47
rm_youso my math is broken16:47
rm_youlike, you can change it anything up to 12416:47
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rm_you1-123 work great?16:47
Atariiill retry16:47
Atariiits rebooting. again.16:47
rm_youthanks for your patience :P16:48
Atariilol np16:48
Atariiit benefits me just as much16:48
mmraw i was hoping for some xterm instruction just to force the codec16:48
mmrhave you used gizmo16:49
Veggenmmr: Not beyond trying it briefly.16:49
Atariirm_you that file needs to be given permissions again on startup16:50
rm_youhrm, i just realized... even if my n800 is like, dropped out of a 10 story window and then run over by a car... i don't really lose anything cause my rootfs is on the SD card, and a measly car running over the n800 wouldn't hurt that card :P16:50
rm_youAtarii: >_>16:50
Atariiso your saying your n800 is an elaborate SD case....16:51
johnxrm_you, ah, the wonders of root on removable media16:51
rm_youAtarii: err... yes :P16:51
rm_youjohnx: :P16:51
Atariithe brightness interval is six, yet its set to 1016:51
rm_youin the settings, and then using the +/- buttons?16:52
Atariiyea, it still goes up in intervals of 616:52
rm_youyeah those two things are entirely unrelated at the moment16:52
rm_youthe interval is for the hardware buttons16:52
rm_youleft/right and up/down dpad16:52
Atariiright, ah yes16:53
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Atariiyup works completely up to the last value16:53
crashanddielcuk, well, I didn't get the mouse to work under windows, but on the other, bluetooth doesn't work at all under windows so...16:53
Atariithen crashes16:53
crashanddieother hand**16:54
rm_youAtarii: alright i will look16:54
lcukcrashanddie, well thats ummm kind of expected for windows, my dongle never seems to work when i want it to16:54
Veggenhmmf. I once found all the possible valid keys for the sip connection, but can't remember how ;)16:54
rm_youlcuk: so much wrong with that sentence :P16:56
lcukno worse than your program :P16:56
Atariiand that file definately needs it permissions setting each boot, but is that because it's crashing, and so not closing properly?16:56
crashanddieI think I'm going to quote that...16:56
rm_youAtarii: no, it is being created fresh each boot with default permissions16:56
crashanddie"My dongle never seems to work when I want it to"16:56
rm_you"<lcuk> ... my dongle never seems to work when i want it to" :P16:57
rm_youdefinitely going on :P16:57
lcuk:D heh, ive never been on there16:57
GeneralAntilleslcuk, be prepared to lose the rest of the day if you do.16:58
lcukor not that i knowfo16:58
lcukive browsed, never been quoted16:58
GeneralAntillesAh, right.16:58
Atarii128 i think is the value that kills it rm_you16:59
rm_youwill fix that, sec16:59
crashanddieunsigned char overflow ?16:59
johnxuhm, I think the word is workaround16:59
johnxI'd call this a kernel bug16:59
crashanddieerr, signed char**16:59
rm_youpending moderation :P17:00
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crashanddienote to self: never use ** to say I'm correcting something when talking about C17:00
lcukrm_you, misquote me however and you will regret it :P17:00
rm_youlcuk: no misquote :P17:00
crashanddielcuk, oh yeah, you're gonna launch a n810 missile at us ?17:00
* rm_you opens liqbase to find the splash screen reading "DEATH TO RM_YOU"17:00
crashanddieThis mouse has me depressed17:03
lcukget a wired one17:03
crashanddieAnd I can't even hang myself with it... It's cordless17:03
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Atariiusing fanoushes boot menu, anyone know if i can modify it "on the fly" or do i need to reflash with any changes?17:16
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GAN800Chinook's initfs is too small to modify.17:17
daverwHi, I'm new to the n800 (had it a couple of days) and am trying to install notecase, but it can't find I've tried searching for this but can't figure out which package I need to install to get it. I'm running OS2008 (bora). Any idea?17:20
johnxdaverw, OS2007 is bora, OS2008 is chinook or diablo.17:20
johnxis it a new N800 or previously owned? have you upgraded the OS to the latest release?17:21
daverwBrand new. Not touched the OS17:21
johnxalright, so OS2007/bora17:21
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daverwOK. Is it easy to upgrade the OS?17:21
wizanot much software yet in diablo repositories?17:22
pupniknice chillout downtempo electro17:22
pupnik Extended Spirit - illicity part 117:22
daverwExcellent. Thanks for this GeneralAntilles17:22
GeneralAntilleswiza, it's mostly there.17:23
GeneralAntillesYou can get anything you really need out of Chinook Extras, anyway. . . .17:23
wizaI have those 3 nokia stuff and maemo extras for diablo17:25
wizaI had lots of stuff but I fucked up my tablet little while ago(rebooted itself again and again) and I don't know why =)17:26
wizamight be those a2dp stuff...17:26
johnxwhat a2dp stuff did you install?17:26
johnxjust a2dp-support or the old OS2007 stuff?17:26
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wizaand a2dp-support script17:29
johnxah, I have that installed too. It doesn't always make a2dp work perfectly, but it shouldn't cause reboot loops17:29
wizabut as I said, I don't know if that was what bricked my tablet17:29
wizauntil I reflashed it17:29
johnxif things start pointing to a2dp I'd be interested to hear it17:30
wizayeah, I test it after I come back from helsinki tomorrow17:30
wizareally need it there :D17:30
* pupnik dances for Iceweasel 3.017:30
pupniknow available in debian sid!17:31
wizado navigation sounds work through a2dp too?17:31
johnxnope. talk to nokia about that17:31
johnxonly mplayer or other alsa-based things work right now17:31
Veggenhmm. Reminds me. I should go find an italian language podcast to listen to when travelling to Italy tomorrow....2*1.45 minutes plane.17:32
johnxlater, gstreamer stuff may work with lardman's sbc-dsp, but it's unknown whether system sounds and the builtin media player can be made to work without Nokia intervention17:32
johnxVeggen, with 2 plane rides that are only 1.45 minutes each you need short pop songs, not podcasts :P17:33
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Veggen1h 45 minutes each, I meant ;)17:34
Veggen(first Bergen-Amsterdam, then Amsterdam-Milan)17:34
* johnx was being purposefully obtuse17:34
VeggenI know :)17:34
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Foxxcan anyone reccomend a wifi scanner (besides kismet) for the n800?17:37
Avecan you set the iface to promiscuous mode?17:37
Atariiiwlist scan17:38
Foxxi was hipoing for something a wee bit more realtime and semi-graphical17:38
Foxxalthough rfmon will do17:38
Atariiairodump-ng ?17:38
Foxxthats more for dumping packet17:39
Atariishows networks, in realtime and is semi-graphical17:39
Atariionly for dumping packets if you enable logging17:39
Foxxim tryiong to get Wireless Tools installed at the moment, so i at least have iwlist17:39
Foxxok, ill check that out17:40
kkrustypupnik: the touchmegames dont work17:40
pupnikkkrusty: problem building them?  a lot of them need adjustments for 800x48017:42
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kkrustypupnik: well they built fine. Except for some invalid headers/libraries. The main problem is that I cant seem to understand how to play them.17:43
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pupniklol i didn't try em all :)17:45
kkrustyhmmm it might be that the interface and events dont match coordinates17:45
pupnikinstall it on your win/linux pc to see how to play correctly17:46
kkrustypupnik: that makes sense. thanks17:46
* kkrusty just wishes they would name these games differently; touchmegames :(17:46
pupnikyep i have to get my dev box set up tonight17:50
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pupnikbut that's probably the best game package to do actual hildon work on17:52
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Foxxi cant seem to find a repo for airodump-ng17:52
Foxxany suggestions?17:52
pupnikso what you learn by working on that might be more useful than, say, getting into SDL17:52
pupnikFoxx: search itt forums17:53
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Foxxi tried gronmayer.it17:53
pupniki don't think it's repo-ized yet17:53
Foxxi figured that would be the best place to go17:53
summatusmentisis there a way to enlarge hildon pop-up windows17:53
Foxxgoogle just retunrs a bunch uf "help help" topics17:54
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|tbb|Foxx: search for aircrack-ng suite it contains airodump iirc17:59
Foxxok, ill try that18:00
Atariiits in the link qwerty12 just posted18:00
Foxxive been looking for airodump-ng this far18:00
rm_youI miss Wellenreiter from OpenZaurus >_>18:00
summatusmentisrm_you: might still be in OE18:01
johnxit was a qt2 app, though, right?18:01
rm_youyeah :/18:02
pupnikan N9x0 in Psion Netbook format would make a nice momputer18:02
johnxpupnik, I keep looking at the beagleboard and getting ideas like that18:02
qwerty12When making a GPG key to upload to extras, do I use  (1) DSA and Elgamal (default)?18:02
pupnikyeah johnx - if it were stylish, easy to use, and netbook size (but slimmer), it would make a great purse accessory18:03
summatusmentisoh, I forgot that18:03
summatusmentismy n810 is the closest I've been able to come to a relatively usable pocket computer18:03
Atariiso now rotate half works on the 770, is there anything from jott's i need to install so it displays properly?18:04
johnxsummatusmentis, my n800 is pretty much there. I have mastered the FSK :P18:04
|tbb|anyone knows how to enable the bluetooth icon on kagu player18:04
summatusmentisjohnx: I'm missing a couple apps that I'd like to have18:04
johnxsummatusmentis, PIM?18:04
rm_youAtarii: i'm kind of confused about it working at all... did you install the custom xorg-server and kernel that supports it!? >_>18:05
summatusmentisPIM is part of it, I'd like to have an office suite, either vim+cscope or a good IDE, and I need to find some more storage18:05
qwerty12|tbb|, it's not worth it, it's only enabled with an older (And worse) method of a2dp18:06
johnxsummatusmentis, N800 wins at storage :)18:06
summatusmentisjohnx: yeah, I know, I'm waiting on the higher capacity micro-sdhc cards18:06
Atariirm_you i only installed fanoushs kernel here:
johnx|tbb|, if you have a2dp working with mplayer, then add "a2dp toggle" to personal menu or some other launcher18:06
Atariiwhich doesn't mention the rotate support18:06
summatusmentisw/in 518:07
|tbb|for me it is, because i always have to close kagu and reopen it because my receiver (anycom bt) always goes to pairing mode once it get power on18:07
johnx|tbb|, toggle it's backend between OMS and mplayer as a hack, or switch out of the app and a2dp toggle without closing18:08
qwerty12Some one should change kagu to use a2dp instead of a2dpd. It's in python...18:08
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|tbb|no way to reenable the bluetooth icon18:09
johnx|tbb|, the way is to change the code18:09
johnxit's toggling the old a2dp system, not the new one18:10
Foxxstill cant seem to find airodump-ng, but the aircrack suite is working18:10
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qwerty12You need to be root18:11
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qwerty12goddam, the shitty speed of garage isn't even funny anymore.18:11
summatusmentisjohnx: did you ever run debian on the Zaurii?18:12
johnxsummatusmentis, running it right now18:12
johnxI use it as a build machine sometimes18:13
summatusmentisintriguing, does it work well enough?18:13
summatusmentisw/in 518:13
summatusmentisI can't type, I'm sorry18:13
johnxI don't really use it on the go, only when I *need* a full debian environment18:13
freelikegnuhow is powermanagement in debian?18:14
johnxfreelikegnu, on n8x0 or zaurus?18:14
johnxit's improving constantly18:14
freelikegnuseems like my battery was going pretty fast18:14
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freelikegnuon beta318:14
johnxbeta3 is old-and-busted. The stuff Stskeeps is doing now is the new hotness :D18:15
freelikegnuI'll have to try that18:15
summatusmentisw/in 218:15
johnxright now though it just leaves you at an xterm :)18:15
summatusmentisI quit18:15
johnxsummatusmentis, I am highly curious. what causes that?18:16
johnxthe w/in 2 I mean18:16
johnxaaah, nm, console based IRC client...right18:17
* johnx is slow18:17
* johnx lives in a GUI world18:17
summatusmentisoh, no, that's my being crappy at typing. In irssi, tabs are numbered(for different channels), /win changes the tab to whichever number follows18:17
johnxI thought it was some kind of keymap weirdness or something18:18
KegetysI find esc + number to work better :)18:18
summatusmentisI used to use X-Chat, then I missed out on conversations18:18
* RST38h runs 2 copies of ircii inside screen18:18
summatusmentisKegetys: I love you! I used to use option+number, then my HD failed, and now option doesn't work anymore18:18
* qwerty12 couldn't live with an console client tbh18:19
RST38heasier this way - no extra commands to memorize18:19
ShadowJK_missed out on conversations?18:19
KegetysI wouldn't mind some GUI features, but I dont know of any client that would actually allow doing what irssi running on a screen allows18:20
summatusmentisShadowJK_: I would shut my laptop, and lose connection. Now I can just disconnect screen, and keep connection :)18:20
summatusmentisKegetys: agreed18:21
summatusmentisI want X-Chat inside screen :)18:21
ShadowJK_I think dircproxy has a feature to feed what you missed to the client when it reconnects18:21
jottsummatusmentis: psybnc?! ;)18:21
johnxsummatusmentis, xpra (screen for X)18:21
summatusmentisjohnx: what?18:21
summatusmentissorry, jott18:21
jottor xmove ;)18:21
sp3000soo what would be the simplest way to play a bit of audio from, say, a shell script?18:22
* sp3000 could actually do with a built-in system sound fwiw18:22
jottsummatusmentis: run a bouncer and connect your gui irc client to it..18:22
* jott is still in favour of irssi in screen 18:22
summatusmentiswell, I'm fine with irssi for now :)18:23
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johnxsp3000, play-sound comes to mind18:23
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KegetysI have the same irssi session open in all my computers + N810, so I can just switch from one to other without any hassles18:24
summatusmentisKegetys: that's mostly what I do18:24
jotti guess there are few people using irssi without screen ;)18:24
rm_yousp3000: mplayer ? >_>18:24
sp3000johnx: thanks, that oughta work18:25
Kegetysalthough it would be nice if they could have different size terminals, but that would be too much hassle to set up and use18:25
|tbb|johnx: did u have done the a2dp enable script18:25
johnx|tbb|, yes18:25
summatusmentisKegetys: what do you mean?18:25
|tbb|why do you choose a modal dialog to show the info a2dp enabled msg18:26
|tbb|instead of  a systeminfo18:26
johnx|tbb|, because I found an easy piece of code to use dbus-send to bring it up18:26
Kegetyssummatusmentis: I mean I could have, say 100x28 terminal on n810 and something else on desktop system at the same time with irssi having proper size on both18:26
|tbb|ah k18:26
summatusmentiswait, you're connected to the same screen at the same screen? is that possible?18:27
johnx|tbb|, is there an easy way to show a system-info from an sh script?18:27
summatusmentisI've just been disconnecting them18:27
|tbb| --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:'WlanStatusChange'18:27
|tbb| --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:'A2DP Enabled'18:27
Kegetysscreen -x name18:27
glass -x is very handy18:27
summatusmentisthat's even cooler!18:27
summatusmentisI love screen18:27
johnx|tbb|, thanks. that'll go in the next version.18:27
* qwerty12 waits for me package to show up in extras-devel :)18:29
summatusmentisqwerty12: what package?18:29
qwerty12Well, not my program per-se, but I uploaded rootsh to diablo extras-devel. I'd have liked to have put easyroot in there but I'm not sure on the status of that one :/18:30
summatusmentisor, alternatively, keep it in your pants, noone wants to see that18:30
summatusmentisoh, I see18:30
pupniksummatusmentis: ctl-n and ctl-p are nice and fast ways to switch to next/prev18:31
summatusmentispupnik: I knew about that, but thanks :)18:31
Kegetyson my desktop I have insert and delete bound as next/previous window, and function keys to switch directly to windows 1-12, but of course those keys are missing from n810 :P18:32
summatusmentisI tried to get PgUp and PgDn working on my macbook but it wasn't happy, so esc+{p,n} works well enough18:34
|tbb|how to easy add pipe and tabulator to the hardware keyboard on n81018:35
KegetysI wish I could have the nokia 9300 keyboard in n81018:35
KegetysI did that with xmodmap, å key is tab and Å key is pipe, I dont ever need those18:35
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Gracanactrl-a,space and ctrl-a,backspace are quick ways to switch next/prev in screen as well18:37
Gracana<3 screen as well18:38
* Gracana notices that he used the phrase "as well" twice in a row18:38
KegetysI noticed that as well18:38
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daverwJust upgraded my n800 to diablo. It was easy. notecase now installs and runs fine. Thanks for the help.18:39
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johnxglad to hear it daverw18:39
Gracanahaha Kegetys :P18:40
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Tu13esare there any good alarm clock apps?18:45
Tu13esi looked maybe 8 months ago and there wasn't much18:45
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* summatusmentis uses his phone for an alarm clock18:47
johnxI use the builtin alarm function sometimes18:48
melmothwhat's wrong with the built in alarm app ?18:48
Tu13esit's fine, but I want a clock too18:48
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Tu13esI'd like something that'd act as a great nightstand clock18:48
summatusmentisCould just buy a nightstand clock :)18:49
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Tu13esyeah, but nothing good will play mp3s or there's always some option i'd like that they won't do18:50
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Tu13esI figure the tablets would be perfect18:50
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Tu13esplus my n770 is just sitting in a drawer18:50
jottTu13es: just write your own clock application :)18:50
jottit will have all the features you implement ;p18:51
Tu13esit'd be way toom uch time and hassle18:51
Tu13esI'm not a coder18:51
Kegetyshmm I could set up my 9300 as alarm clock as I dont need it anymore, could irc with it easily at night time too18:51
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* jott imagines a clock app where you have to hold the fullscreen button and use zoom in and out to set the alarm ;)18:52
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jottin minutes increments only :p18:53
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johnxnah, you press zoom - for hours and zoom + for minutes and if you miss you have to go around again18:53
johnxseriously analog clocks have a better interface than a lot of digital clocks...18:53
johnxone step forward, two steps back18:54
Kegetysin the tablet clock you could have speech recognition in it or something18:54
jotthehe yeah or this way..18:54
Kegetyscould detect if you're still snoring and ring louder18:54
jottand now we have tablets and still no good clocks :)18:55
* jott actually likes his weatherclock on his familiar linux ipaq ;)18:55
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Kegetysat least you could say you have 400MHz processor and 128MB of ram on your alarm clock (or whatever specs your specific device has)18:55
jottyeah my table clock has 266mhz and wifi ;)18:56
pH5my usb soundcard has a 285dpi vga screen.18:59
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jottyou use a freerunner as soundcard? ;)19:01
pH5no, that would be wasteful19:02
pH5it's a neo197319:02
jottheh still19:02
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KnowledgeMan, this is starting to get confusing...19:04
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|tbb|if you do an backup, will it contains the scripts which you store under /usr/bin anywhere?19:20
qwerty12No, /usr/bin isn't backed up afaik19:20
|tbb|./usr/sbin also not19:22
qwerty12If you have time, you can write a backup config file that will backup /usr/bin19:22
qwerty12(but I wouldn't recommend it)19:23
|tbb|i just realized i had forgoten to save a core script19:23
|tbb|to bad19:23
Knowledgeif I'm cloning to mmc (07HE on a 770)...all I would have to do is create a swap partition and the system would recognize it?19:23
Kegetys done :>19:24
pupniknice Kegetys19:26
lcukdont try the alarm thing with an unplugged 8x0 though - random mornings you wouldnt wake up.   hang on, is that a bad thing19:27
rm_youit is if you need to get to work :P19:27
ShadowJK_Does the N8x0 alert you when the battery is running low? I've never tried :)19:28
rm_youbut if you're me, then not really, cause the only purpose my alarm serves during the summer is to let me turn it off and feel good about myself as i fall back asleep :P19:28
lcuk"sorry boss, my touchscreen internet connected linux clock died unexpectedly"19:28
Kegetys"sorry, someone hacked into my night clock wlan and turned it off"19:28
lcukShadowJK_, in my experience it just dies sometime between going to sleep and waking up.  a peaceful end really19:29
lcuklol Kegetys19:29
ShadowJK_so it just dies? It doesn't try to do anything clever like shutdown gracefully whne battery is nearing empty?19:29
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lcukhow should i know, im always asleep when it happens :P its like it waits19:30
lcukive had it die maybe once or twice in my hand in its entire life and then its just gone19:31
Kegetysit would be nice if it would go into hibernation, write memory contents to memory card and then restore when power is back19:31
lcukif it could hibernate i would use it - but that feature has been ignored and i dont think you can ever totally shut it off19:32
lcukhibernation would allow battery switching19:32
lcukKegetys, i like your alarm by the way, is it just a mockup or proper app19:32
lcukKegetys, :O omg @ the mobile gaming picture19:34
Kegetysits a proper app, commercial though and not that good it seems19:34
KegetysI'd write my own if that thing would support python or something else usable19:34
qwerty12Is it an Psiloc proggie (used to use quite a few of them on N-gage)19:34
Kegetysno, something else, dont remember anymore what19:35
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pupniki seem to recall a low battery warning sound19:45
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Knowledgeanyone know why the tutorials for booting from MMC with a 770 don't include swap directions?20:02
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Knowledgewait....let me recode that into english...what I meant to say is there aren't steps for creating a swap partition....20:02
|tbb|why they changed the key under /osso/connectivity/IAP  from name like mywlanathome to 21def4.................20:02
johnxI don't think OS2006 had a GUI-based way to add swap, so I guess people didn't really think about it20:03
qwerty12|tbb|, new icd (the new one is stupid :()20:03
johnxKnowledge, I know that swap can cause problems on the N8x0 with cards that don't behave perfectly. Maybe it's as much or more of a problem on the 770...20:04
|tbb|what exactly more is stupid20:04
KnowledgeI see.20:04
johnxthe key word is maybe20:04
johnxI don't have a 770, so I'm just guessing20:05
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Knowledgeahh screw it, I'm just going to follow the directions as written...I forgot how I had it setup before....20:12
johnxit's just as easy to swap to a file anyways20:13
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Knowledgejohnx: would I be able to make a bigger swap than 64mb? or is that enough you think?20:14
johnxyou could make it whatever size you want20:14
johnxand you could change it or delete it later without repartitioning20:15
|tbb|is it possible to get this name in human readable one /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/8d5d2453-4046-4d24-8250-b9c4620ede6e20:16
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lcuk|tbb|, yes, but it still doesnt mean too much20:19
lcukif its hex anyway20:19
lcukits a GUID isnt it20:20
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|tbb|i had an dbus-command which let me easily connect to an ap using its name now the name had changed to this stupid guid20:21
lcukis there a branch within the folder itself specifying the name20:21
|tbb|yes it is20:22
lcukor an index file mapping names to guids20:22
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lcukahhh right, just change your program to use the identified name?20:22
lcukback later20:23
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johnxStskeeps, still awake?20:27
rm_youAtarii: still awake?20:28
summatusmentissummatusmentis: still awake?20:28
johnxrm_you, did you just finish a patch too?20:30
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rm_youbtw, GINT_TO_POINTER is evil >_>20:36
* johnx debugs the new nit-debian installer so he can use it20:36
rm_youit fails in some random manner if the GINT in question happens to be 020:36
johnxWhyTF would it do that?20:37
rm_youfor fun, so i would suffer20:38
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rm_youso, since 0 is the boundary case, for now I just add 1 before i sent it through GINT_TO_POINTER20:38
rm_youand then subtract one after POINTER_TO_GINT on the other side20:39
rm_youjott has promised to fix it for real later :P20:39
johnxthat's .. pretty special20:39
rm_youisn't it just.20:40
rm_youIf I weren't laughing hysterically right now, i would probably be very agitated20:40
rm_youbut i'm very tired, and the concept of +/- 1 amuses me greatly20:40
rm_youand i think i shall sleep soon... want to wake up in a few hours and hit up Ouajimaya :P20:41
rm_youwow i dont think i spelled that right20:41
johnxUwajimaiya maybe?20:41
rm_youooo and see if maybe i can find somewhere in the i-district that will sell me a decent bowl of ramen >_<20:41
rm_youyeah :P that20:41
johnxor うわじまいや?20:42
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johnxStskeeps, I think there's no bme-dbus-proxy in diablo...20:44
johnxyeah, it's gone:
johnxand replaced with hald-addon-bme it appears20:45
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rm_you*Sniffle* ....
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johnxI'll pass on the egg O_o20:55
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Stskeepsjohnx: well that's just as good21:00
Stskeepsjohnx: could you dpkg -L it for me?21:00
johnxsure, one sec21:00
Stskeepsit actually belongs better in hald really21:00
johnxI think that brings it closer to "normal linux" , correct?21:00
Stskeepsseems like it could prolly just be repacked without issue21:01
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johnxyeah, I'll make a fillin recipe for it21:02
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johnxI have some patches to debian_installer.py21:02
Stskeepsk - like?21:03
Stskeepsusr/share/doc/hald-addon-bme prolly doesn't exist btw21:03
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Stskeeps(tendancy in nokia packages)21:03
johnxyeah, docpurge21:03
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johnxpatch: recovers from a failed install better (unmounts $chroot/sys $chroot/proc $chroot/dev/pts before starting), handles the case where there's already an ext2 fs on the card you're reformatting, removes the .svn dirs from the fillin package directories so they don't complain "can't overwrite /.svn in other-package-foo"21:04
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Stskeepsahh, i forgot that in svn checkout - it should be svn export not checkout21:05
Stskeeps(no .svn directories)21:05
johnxI was liking the svn up though :P21:05
Stskeepsand sounds good - just commit21:05
Stskeepsyeah, - well, for that i just do the non-SVN ("i've checked out trunk")21:06
Stskeepsand it does refresh-base and removes .svn's21:06
johnxah, it already does?21:06
johnxthen I should pull that line from my patch21:06
Stskeepsbut the svn checkout into target should be svn export21:06
johnxso you think the hald-addon-bme will work automagically if it's repacked?21:08
Stskeepsthink so21:09
Stskeepselse just copy it in and restart hald21:09
Stskeepsif it appears in ps aux, it works21:09
johnxalso, it's description tells me that it "Also provides compatibility with previously used bme-dbus-proxy by21:09
johnx implementing battery and charger messages' forwarding from BME to21:09
johnx status bar applet through DBus."21:09
Stskeepsthat's fine21:10
Stskeepsi wonder if it provides HAL battery capacity21:10
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Stskeepsthen we wouldn't need hald-addon-retu-adc21:10
Stskeepswhat does lshal | grep battery say on diablo?21:11
johnxlots of good things :D21:11
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johnxnah nothing about pastebin...aaah, I see :P21:11
Stskeepsthat's fantastic :)21:12
Stskeeps(-> qwerty12_N800, johnx)21:13
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: happy users? :P21:13
johnxGeneralAntilles, that's fantastic :)21:13
* qwerty12_N800 is laughing at itt spam atm21:14
Stskeepsbrb walking friend to bus21:14
johnxGeneralAntilles, I think the answer to that mail is simple: "No one can help you."21:15
summatusmentisdo people not know how to like... write?21:15
johnxI think running that through text-to-speech might be illuminating21:15
GeneralAntilles. . . Anybody able to reproduce?21:15
johnxactually, triple-click select seems to be better in diablo (or at least not worse)21:17
GeneralAntilles2 pages of that.21:17
johnxand your friend from the mailing list right in the middle21:17
johnxthis gets a screenshot21:17
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qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, Btw, i'm working to get an easyroot clone in extras.21:18
GeneralAntillesAwesome, qwerty12_N800.21:18
* johnx attempts to fit the google ad for asparagus tablets in the screenie as well21:18
RaytrayDang.. I wonder how he got thus far writing like that. @ mail list21:19
summatusmentisw00t lesbians on ITT!21:19
GeneralAntillesRaytray, -users is a hellhole.21:19
qwerty12_N800So far, i've uploaded rootsh. works but doesn't dork with scripts that use sudo gainroot; so i'm making a new version tommorrow.21:19
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: So far, i've uploaded rootsh. works but doesn't work with scripts that use sudo gainroot; so i'm making a new version tommorrow.21:19
johnxI'm telling you...ever since they started letting just anyone onto the internet it hasn't been the same...21:19
GeneralAntillesGod, that email is ridiculous.21:22
GeneralAntillesHow do you get to the point in your life where you can't even manage to put 4 coherent sentences together?21:22
johnxFrom the capitalization it's like he had periods in there and took them out or something21:23
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johnxit's pretty awesome though21:23
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qwerty12_N800holy crap, that mail is in some big a** font...21:24
johnxqwerty12_N800, that's why you never accept HTML mail unless you have a choice21:25
johnxs/a choice/no choice/21:25
infobotjohnx meant: qwerty12_N800, that's why you never accept HTML mail unless you have no choice21:25
Atariirm_you ping21:26
qwerty12_N800yeah, but html (usually) looks so pretty21:26
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qwerty12_N800"I want is a bible that I can look up a verses and use it at church can you help me" - i can pray but it may be too late for help.21:27
johnx"No one can help you."21:27
GeneralAntilles"I love to work with picters"21:27
johnx"this is grate"21:28
summatusmentisI wanna know what kind of church it's considered acceptable to pull out a piece of technology in21:28
GeneralAntillesThe N800 does have lots of little holes on the front21:28
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure what's on about with the N810, though. . . .21:29
johnxactually, that would make a pretty good t-shirt I think :D "This is grate!" <picture of drain>21:29
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johnxwhen something like this shows up I do kinda wonder if it's someone else just trolling for responses (or trying to get someone else's email addy spammed/flamed)21:30
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I really hope so.21:31
GeneralAntillesBut, sadly, I doubt it.21:31
summatusmentissomeone needs to integrate the agps into maemo-mapper21:31
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summatusmentisand then kick the gps chip in the pants, and make it work21:32
GeneralAntillesWhen are we going to get the freaking guided Bugzilla submission form. . . .21:32
GeneralAntilles"SOFTWARE VERSION: 4.2008.23-1421:32
GeneralAntilles(Control Panel > General > About product)"21:32
GeneralAntillesStuff like that is just ridiculous.21:32
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lcuk_teathats just a minor error for someone who hasnt done that before, why berate him?21:36
GeneralAntilleslcuk_tea, he has filed bugs before.21:37
GeneralAntillesand because I'm tired of his bitching and moaning on itT.21:37
summatusmentishow was tea lcuk_tea ?21:37
lcuk_tea:D was lovely21:37
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summatusmentisI'm glad, so is there always tea? or is it just a light meal?21:38
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lcukGeneralAntilles, it was just a bug report though21:38
lcukit was bolognaise n chips n lemon cheese cake  :D21:39
lcukwashed down with the season finale of dr who21:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk, and the bug report is WORKSFORME21:39
summatusmentis:) awesome21:39
summatusmentisbolognaise? what is that?21:40
johnxGeneralAntilles, he probably doesn't realize the triple-tap trick, given that he didn't mention it21:40
GeneralAntillesIt's tap, tap-drag here.21:41 it?21:41
Stskeepsjohnx: any way to distinguish properly between diablo and chinook, script-wise?21:41
GeneralAntillesWorks just fine.21:41
johnxStskeeps, that was at GeneralAntilles21:41
johnxGeneralAntilles, maybe we're talking about the same thing: tap, tap, tap-and-drag here21:42
johnxStskeeps, let me check, I have some ideas21:42
lcukGeneralAntilles, could it depend on how busy the system is and if lots of processes running its just not responding as well as on your system?21:42
GeneralAntillesjohnx, quickly: tap once, tap twice and drag21:42
GeneralAntillesIt's not tap, tap, tap-drag21:42
lcuklike how scrolling didnt/doesnt work when its busy21:42
GeneralAntillesIt's just tap, tap-drag21:42
johnxGeneralAntilles, heh...his bug is valid if it's supposed to work that way then. if I don't here three "screen-tap" noises out of my N800 drag-select doesn't work21:43
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, works fine with mplayer streaming a video in the background.21:43
jottStskeeps: /etc/osso_software_version ?21:43
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lcukthats just one single usage case, thats not all the time, he might have a valid and real problem21:44
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, I doubt it.21:45
lcukmplayer also forces the cpu into performance mode when playing most movies21:45
lcukie better response to things21:45
Stskeepsjott: hehe, figured there'd be something like that :)21:45
johnxjott, maybe I'm being dumb, but I don't see /etc/osso_software_version in diablo21:45
johnxI guess it's existence would be a good test though if it's in chinook21:46
jottjohnx: you removed osso-software-version-rx44* ? ;)21:47
jottit's in there21:47
johnxjott, aaah...probably21:47
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johnxGeneralAntilles, nm, I got it to work, but the timing is touchy as hell21:47
RST38hmoo, all21:47
johnxsomeone tipped lcuk's cow!21:48
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, dunno, it works consistently for me.21:50
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johnxtry lifting all the way instead of keeping some pressure on the screen between taps21:50
GeneralAntillesAh, another gem:
GeneralAntillesEr, that's how I do it.21:50
GeneralAntillesWorks fine.21:50
johnxyeah, that's older though21:50
* johnx shrugs21:51
GeneralAntillesI think the placement is particular, not the timing.21:51
GeneralAntillesIt's gotta be on the text21:51
johnxit's a short timeout though21:51
johnxthat distinguishes between double-tap and two single-taps21:52
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GeneralAntillesA little, but no worse than a double-click.21:52
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johnxit's different with a mouse, but what I'm saying is it's not inconceivable that people might genuinely think they have a problem21:53
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GeneralAntillesEither way, the bug report's still, in all probability, INVALID. :P21:54
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Stskeepsjohnx: i guess bme-dbus-proxy would still be a fitting name no matter if it's bme-dbus-proxy or the hald-addon22:01
johnxerrr...I guess22:01
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johnxthat could get a little confusing though22:02
Stskeepsyeah, true22:02
johnxbased on the way things are now it would be hard to do it differently though22:03
Stskeepswe'd need logic for diablo fillin packages and chinook fillin else22:03
johnxand the simple script becomes more complicated...22:03
RST38hwhat are you discussing anyway? (sorry)22:04
johnxRST38h, nit-debian22:04
johnxno apology needed22:04
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Stskeepsjohnx: i guess logic in installer for diablo-only vs chinook-only packages would be the cleanest way.. and having a list of those in config.py22:15
Stskeepsthere's only two entry points for base packages anyway22:15
johnxI was thinking different sub-dirs, but I've always been a shell scripter22:15
Stskeepsdifferent sub-dirs as in?22:16
johnxit's the same difference no matter how you organize it, whether in a config file or on the filesystem22:17
Stskeepsmm, i really should refactor the package installation a bit22:20
Stskeepssome of the logic belongs better in a DEBIAN/nit-fetch-depends or something22:21
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johnxthis is getting close to apt levels of functionality...22:22
Stskeepsi did consider porting debian-installer (official one) for a couple of seconds ;)22:22
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johnxsome type of middle ground might be ok, like generating a local apt repository22:23
Stskeepsyeah, was just thinking the same22:23
koosIs there a problem with the chinook repo? A package from me got promoted yesterday, is in extras with time 12.07.2008 23:20 but the Contents-armel.gz stays on 11.07.2008 16:5622:24
Stskeeps.. and ofcourse apt-utils in maemo doesn't have apt-ftparchive22:27
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Stskeepsjohnx: could i get you to commit the fixes you did? i'll do some refactoring to make things a little more flexible then22:28
johnxcan I just send you the patch this time?22:28
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rm_youcan i go on strike until garage takes less than 45 seconds to load a page? >_>23:00
* GAN800 crosses fingers for August.23:01
rm_youGAN800: as soon as I can get to garage to upload the files to autobuilder, and then it goes thru that, and then is moved to -devel, i will have another version for you to try on 77023:01
rm_youso, i'll talk to you next week :P23:02
rm_youwow, w3m literally timed out after receiving a few bytes of the page in 2 minutes23:03
Atariinew version on its way?23:03
rm_youwill possibly not crash maybe hopefully :P23:03
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rm_youoh i forgot to do the other part of the fix....23:04
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boonhow's it going?23:26
boonI'm having a problem with Maemo Mapper23:27
boonhow can I reset it so it picks up the GPS on the 81023:27
RST38bisboon: we are all gonna die!23:27
GAN800Bluetooth, no MAC23:28
RST38bisnow to your question...23:28
boonright now it's just  searching and searching23:28
RST38biswhat ga said - bluetooth gps with no device name (not mac)23:28
RST38bisdo you see gps status icon?23:29
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boonit pops in and out23:30
RST38bisno, do you see little satellite icon at the upper screen edge?23:31
boonno, I do not23:31
RST38biswhat do you have in maemo mapper gps settings?23:32
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boonFile Path /dev/pgps23:33
RST38bisremove file  path23:34
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RST38bisclear it23:34
RST38bisand try again23:34
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boonit then ask's me to specifify a GPS file pathname23:35
GeneralAntillesThis is a fairly awesome setting for finger usage:
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RST38bisa moment23:36
boonhey General23:37
RST38bisboon: go to settings->gps and select bluetooth23:37
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boonwhy bluetooth?23:38
RST38bisthere is an argument field - keep it clear23:38
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boonI don't have an external GPS23:38
RST38bisjust do it23:38
boonokay :p23:38
boonah, there we go :)23:39
boonthanks a lot!23:39
RST38bisga: tired of right sided scrollbar in microb?23:39
boonare there any cheap but decent external gps transponders?23:40
RST38bisboon: you shall now return to contemplating the oncoming end of the world.23:40
GeneralAntillesRST38bis, it's way too tight against the side of the screen, hard to hit with a finger.23:41
GeneralAntillesGotta wedge your thumb in there really tight.23:41
boonGeneral, I get by using the edge of my nail23:42
boonworks fine23:42
RST38bisga: there is a setting to make it thicker23:42
RST38bisboon: scratches screen like crazy23:42
boonnaa, no scratches23:42
GeneralAntillesboon, yeah, I have, too, for the last 2 years. ;)23:43
lcukmixing soft dirty fingers and hard nail edges leaves you scratchign the grit23:43
GeneralAntillesRST38bis, the wide scrollbar is _too_ wide23:43
GeneralAntillesand renders broken.23:43
boonthis screen is very resistant23:43
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boonwell I don't have dirty fingers23:44
RST38bisboon: there is always a refutation for such statements23:44
boonnor messed up nails23:44
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boonworks well for me23:44
boonrst, yea I know23:44
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* GeneralAntilles can't remember how to make snav die.23:45
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timelyGeneralAntilles: didn't i make a package for that?23:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, it didn't seem to do anything to snav, though.23:51
GeneralAntillesI probably had the browser open or something23:51
GeneralAntillesIt's fixed now.23:51
RST38bisga <- serial xchat window-mangler23:52
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GeneralAntillesandre___, that is seriously the most awesome email ever, isn't it? :P23:55
andre___GeneralAntilles, no :-)23:56
andre___that happens all the time, e.g. two days ago23:56
andre___though that was today, not two days ago. totally lost in time and space because of travelling...23:59

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