IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-07-12

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GNUtonjott: ok :)00:00
GNUtonthere are a lot of german guy... wherever!00:01
jottGNUton: have you any plans for the right mouse button?00:03
GNUtonno, I haven´t yet.00:03
GNUtonAnd you?00:04
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jottGNUton: you probably have seen this, right?00:06
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GNUtonjott: Yes, I know! :)00:07
jottmight be worth to collaborate00:07
jotthaven't looked at the code.. seems to be deep in his gsoc branch :P00:08
jottbut having this on qt and not kdelibs layer would be benefitial..00:10
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GNUtonBasically his hack works like he hildon RMB.00:10
GNUtonBy the way it doesn´t seems so hard to code..00:10
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jottwell there are some possible glitches, but in the end it should be just a few lines of code..00:11
megabyte405interestingly enough that's how macs have done it for years00:12
megabyte405(well, that and control-clicking)00:12
jottyou have to be creative if you only have one mouse button ;)00:14
GeneralAntillesThankfully they ship a slightly less retarded mouse these days.00:14
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GeneralAntillesThough I only know one Apple user who actually uses an Apple mouse at the moment. . . .00:14
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jottprobably because the name just scares people away ;)00:15
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megabyte405yeah, the mighty mouse isn't great, two-finger touchpad scrolling is pretty close to genius though00:16
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GeneralAntillesThe scrolling nipple might be OK if it could be cleaned.00:17
GeneralAntillesBut the capacitive right-click is just awful.00:17
lcukgen, just have a bath if your nipple needs cleaning00:17
GeneralAntillesthree-finger swiping for forward/back is pretty awesome, too.00:17
GeneralAntilleslcuk, reload.00:17
lcukbut i would generally recommending not letting your pets suckle00:17
GeneralAntillesIt gained more awesome.00:17
lcukawesome++ the left hand side tabbed look is bang on :D00:18
GeneralAntillesIt was actually surprisingly easy to fix00:18
GeneralAntillesThough I don't know what I really did.00:18
lcuki wouldnt have been able to explain how it shouldv been, but you got it niiiiiiiiiice00:18
gourdinyou know what, 'fit to screen width' is necessary, when you zoom in, you don't want to scroll left and right each lines00:19
GeneralAntillesgourdin, code up a patch to make it not suck.00:19
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lcukthe missus is just asking, but can someone give me one word that you think of when i say "Darius"00:20
gourdinGeneralAntilles: ho, yeah00:20
GeneralAntilleslcuk, reload again.00:21
RST38hlcuk aminazin00:21
lcukomg the word screenshots doesnt fit!00:22
lcukRST38h,  aminazin - is that for darius or the web00:22
GeneralAntillesFits here00:22
lcukor my typos00:22
lcukremember, big fonts00:22
RST38hlcuk: for darius of course00:22
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RST38hanybody knows if osso-xterm can be configured from command line?00:23
gourdinGeneralAntilles: you give a pretty bad image00:24
lcukhmmmmm      'you know where it says "awesome slogan here" it should say "f**kin fed up of seeing it". '00:24
GeneralAntillesYeah, I'm a terrible evil person. I know.00:24
RST38hor maybe there are some per-window settings that can be applied?00:24
GeneralAntilleslcuk, how about now?00:24
GeneralAntilles(svn commit only took 45 seconds)00:24
gourdinGeneralAntilles: yeah, i think so00:24
GeneralAntillesThen we're in agreement, excellent!00:24
lcukahhh it fits and when scrolled, i think i should go though, the missus really does look grumpy tonight, cyas later00:24
RST38hga: eat another kitten and rejoice00:25
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GeneralAntillesDamn him.00:25
GeneralAntillesI want content now!00:25
jottRST38h: there are some gconf settings for it.00:25
RST38hjott: but they are global, right?00:25
gourdinGeneralAntilles: hmmm, almost00:26
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RST38htoo bad00:27
gourdinGeneralAntilles: when i say : the fit thing is usefull for some people, i'm not attacking you, you know that, don't you ?00:27
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gourdinyou take everything so personaly, perhaps a missunderstanding.. don't know00:29
jottgarage is so damn unusable atm..00:29
GeneralAntillesI'm just really bored with people that just come around to bitch and moan. :)00:29
gourdinGeneralAntilles: why people bitch and moan ?00:30
RST38hgourdin: because they are not getting enough mood altering drugs of course00:31
gourdinRST38h: :))00:31
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* RST38h mentally thanks Pidgin developers for a new Maemo version00:32
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gourdinperhpas this is not the right place to ask for tech support on n8x0 ?00:35
RST38hwhat was your question anyway?00:37
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yigalGeneralAntilles suggested I use the 'internet call' app. rather than gizmo to use sip phone but I've created an account and am having difficulties connecting to the server00:37
yigalthis way00:37
yigalthrough gizmo it works, but it is a very nasty interface - imo00:38
yigalcan I use <my user name> or something else, also does anyone know if I have to connect through a special port?00:39
RST38hok. so what is your problem with ga?00:39
RST38hyou like gizmo better - use gizmo, there is nothing wrong with that00:39
yigalno I dislike gizmo's app. quite a lot00:40
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GeneralAntillesyigal, <username>@proxy01.sipphone.com00:40
RST38hok, so you dislike both apps?00:40
GeneralAntillesThen tap Advanced00:40
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yigalno I very much enjoy the simplicity of 'internet call'00:40
RST38hso use internet call00:41
GeneralAntillesRST38h, he needs the right settings.00:41
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yigalRST38h: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough00:42
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RST38hgoogle. somebody must have hit this problem before.00:42
GeneralAntillesI'm explaining it right now. :P00:42
GeneralAntillesyigal, edit the account00:42
crashanddie_yigal, when I configured my SIP account (not gizmo, my ISP's), I noticed that too much information basically borked it.00:42
crashanddie_yigal, go light on the info00:42
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GeneralAntillesOr just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do. :P00:43
crashanddie_or that00:43
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yigalGeneralAntilles: that is what I have learned to do, "just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do" it's worked so far :)00:43
GeneralAntillesTap the presence applet00:44
GeneralAntillesTap Account settings00:44
GeneralAntillesSelect your Gizmo account, click edit.00:44
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yigalGeneralAntilles: it's working now00:44
yigalGeneralAntilles: I read it the 1st time00:45
yigalGeneralAntilles: thanks00:45
GeneralAntillesDidn't get a confirmation. :P00:45
yigalGeneralAntilles: was trying to confirm if it worked, just did00:45
yigalit does00:45
yigalcan I delete the gizmo app. or is it useful for anything?00:46
GeneralAntillesYou can delete it00:47
GeneralAntillesIt provides video calling, I suppose00:47
GeneralAntillesBut that'd be it.00:47
yigalYay :)00:47
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lardman|afkwhat was the issue with XTerm wrt dyntick?00:50
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lardmanthere was something that meant/s if you leave an xterm open overnight it kills the battery00:51
lardmanjust trying to add proof to my vague recollection00:51
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lardmanit's Friday, why am I so tired?00:53
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qwerty12_N800you too, eh? :(00:53
lardmanyeah, Holly's already asleep; must be all the rain, going back to hibernation mode00:54
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yigal_800xchat for maemo is nice!!00:55
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yigal_800test: im still too slow with the stylus however00:56
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GeneralAntillesStylus sucks!00:57
GeneralAntillesfinger keyboard is the way to do it.00:57
yigalumm, ok, will try it next time :)00:57
lardmanGeneralAntilles: you about00:57
lardmanqwerty12_N800: going to see you in Berlin then?00:58
lardmanqwerty12_N800: I'm sure a man of your talents could manage a fake passport (age) ;)00:58
GeneralAntilleslardman, pong. :P00:58
lardmanGeneralAntilles: same question to you!00:58
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GeneralAntillesHighly unlikely.00:58
GeneralAntillesUnless something changes significantly in the next week or so and I can get sponsorship.00:59
lardman2 separate problems or one and the same?00:59
GeneralAntillesWell, I'm up in the air on a family reunion that either that weekend or the next.01:00
GeneralAntillesDon't find out about that until probably the end of this month.01:00
crashanddielardman, I'm taking it you're going ?01:00
GeneralAntillesDon't want to take a sponsorship slot if I can't actually go01:00
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lardmancrashanddie: yes, all confirmed01:00
crashanddie[djeezus I'm irritated when I don't have something to smoke]01:00
GeneralAntillesand there's no way I can swing a $1500-$2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;)01:00
lardmancrashanddie: Going to be talking about DSP programming, something like that anywya01:00
lardmanGeneralAntilles: There is sponsorship available, you just need to confirm asap01:01
lardmanIs it really that dear?01:01
lardmanexpensive that is01:01
crashanddielardman, cool, I look forward to hearing what you have so say :)01:01
GeneralAntillesConfirming ASAP isn't gonna happen. ;)01:01
lardmancrashanddie: me too ;)01:02
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: :S01:02
GeneralAntillesThe next Maemo summit. ;)01:02
lardman:) good good01:03
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, if I have a job, and you don't get nokia subvention for the next summit01:03
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'll pay for the ticket myself01:03
Medic119anyone have a copy of syncevoltuion that works in OS2008?01:03
GeneralAntillesThat would be quite the donation.01:03
lardman~£500 atm from Bristol->Florida01:04
crashanddielardman, ~£500 still converts to USD 2.3M01:05
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crashanddiegiven the current currency01:05
lardmancrashanddie: glad to hear it as I'm in Chicago week after next :)01:05
crashanddielardman, :D01:05
lardmanI'll take 15p and live like a king! ;)01:06
RST38bislardman: iphone 3g!01:06
lardmanRST38bis: can you change the network they are on?01:06
crashanddienope, still simlocked01:07
crashanddieand you have to activate the phone in the shop01:07
lardmanhmm, will need a very strong signal to work back home then :)01:07
RST38bisno, but you are not buying it to use it are you? =)01:07
* lardman starts saving Pringles tubes01:07
qwerty12-N800or see if at&t do really long roaming01:08
lardmanRST38bis: gf already has an ipod touch, so seen it all, etc.,01:08
RST38bisit is an object d'art!01:08
lardmanqwerty12-N800: don't you accidentally get charged £20k for that?!01:08
qwerty12-N800something like that :p01:08
lardmanRST38bis: agreed, it's very snazzy; lots of thoughts for the ITs01:08
Medic119Ya know if AT&T had decent data plan rates, I might have gotten an iPhone instead of my n810.  Now I have to figure out how to pay for AT&T in Alaska..urgh.01:09
RST38bisthought 1: nokia should hire steve jobs01:10
Medic119RST38bis:  Not Jobs, just his UI designers..01:10
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RST38bisisn't alascom att now?01:10
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RST38bisui designers are useless if told to design around crappy paradigm01:11
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, I almost cracked the map repository01:11
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lardmanhmm, after my masterplan to save array dimensions in the first array element I realise I need to have 2D arrays :(01:11
qwerty12-N800crashanddie, what's wrong?01:12
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, the version of the map01:12
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, I don't know how the software knows which version to take01:12
GeneralAntillesIgnore the retarded filler content:
GeneralAntillesComments? Suggestions?01:14
qwerty12-N800crashanddie, :/, I'll see if i can upload an maps folder tomorrow.01:14
Medic119GA: what are we commenting on exactly?01:15
GeneralAntillesThe website01:15
Medic119oh, design?  Its good an simple.01:15
Medic119Easy to read.01:15
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, no need01:15
lardmanvery snazzy, except the links don't do anything01:15
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, I cracked the whole sequence, from getting the map list, to getting the list of files to download, to downloading each file01:16
GeneralAntillesYeah, filler content. ;)01:16
lardmanok :)01:16
GeneralAntillesThe links work, the pages are just mostly all the same.01:16
lardmanah, right01:16
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, there's just one info that is still opaque, gimme a minute, gotta take care of something01:16
qwerty12-N800crashanddie, heh nice work. dunno why navicore are so secretive about it.01:17
Medic119I get a little lag which switching tabs in FF 3.0/ openSuse01:17
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GeneralAntillesDunno, Medic119. Maybe Garage slowness? There only thing interesting going on is the embedded YouTube video on the screenshots page01:20
GeneralAntillesAh, crap, the navbar alignment is messed up in Firefox again. . . .01:20
GeneralAntilles~lart buggy CSS rendering engines01:20
* infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at buggy CSS rendering engines01:20
Medic119Dunno.  Switching between tabs took just long enough to notice.  It loading everything up before making the switch?01:20
GeneralAntillesDoes it take long to switch after you've loaded the page and it's in the cache?01:21
GeneralAntillesi.e., switch back and forth between two tabs a couple times.01:21
Medic119It takes about a second to swap tabs, but it may be garage at the moment as it took it a few seconds to even come up this time.01:23
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GeneralAntillesUgh, FF3 is so ridiculously slow on PPC.01:23
summatusmentisyou're on PPC? sad01:23
GeneralAntillesNow that is damn weird01:24
GeneralAntillesFF3 renders the same page differently locally and on the server.01:24
GeneralAntillessvn is in sync. . . .01:24
Medic119lol.. I am on a Core2 Machine and 64 bit linux.  I am still going pretty sweet, but FF is buggy with video right now01:24
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, my dual G5 kicks your ass. ;)01:24
lardmanbah, 64bit is a pita01:24
Medic119When I built my site, I noticed FF tended to keep things in the cache and wouldn't update, even if told to do so.  I had to manually flush between test updates locally.01:25
GeneralAntillesIt's always Firefox that breaks on my websites. . . .01:25
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I'd rather have my core2 duo, thanks01:25
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, this is the full discussion between Map and the servers:
lardmanI don't like flash, but unfortunately some websites to, it was a real pain to get working01:25
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Medic11964bit openSuse is pretty stable now.  I went back to 32 bit on 10.3 because too much was not there, but I haven't had any issues with 11.0 yet01:25
GeneralAntillesSo, how many pixels wide is the border between the navbar and the content on here in FF3?
lardmanMedic119: working ff plugins?01:26
summatusmentispeople use openSuse?01:26
Medic119See I design for FF and maneuver for Safari/Gecko, and then I *might* add some call for IE if I feel like it.  I got tired of IE crap.01:26
Medic119So far everything seems to be working fine lardman.01:26
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summatusmentistoodles all01:27
lardmanMedic119: things have moved on since I last tried then :)01:27
Medic119I switched from Fedora to openSuse (via Ubuntu) because the hardware was easier to deal with in Opensuse of all things01:27
lardmannight summatusmentis01:27
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Medic119lardman: in 10.3 I had to downgrade to 32-bit cause half what I needed didn't work in 64 bit01:27
* lardman went from Mandrake to Ubuntu01:27
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, the other interesting part is when it gets the "component list"
GeneralAntillesEr, Medic119, you design for Firefox yet maneuver for Gecko? :P01:28
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to tell me how that border renders in FF3 since my copy is retarded?01:28
Medic119yea, get it all to work in FF, then make subtle changes for Safari, et al.  I know they have the same base, but they don't all reander exactly the same01:28
GeneralAntillesSafari uses Gecko?01:28
GeneralAntilles(hint, Firefox is Gecko, Safari is WebKit) ;)01:29
Medic119It was based on Gecko was it not?  It was supposed to be a FF child.01:29
GeneralAntillesYou're confused.01:29
Medic119Must be.01:29
GeneralAntillesWebKit is based on KHTML01:29
Medic119Anyway, your borders look fine here.01:29
crashanddieqwerty12-N800, and I'm still trying to understand what this conversation is about: (this is the very first action in the whole map retrieval process)01:29
Medic119there is no outside border on the big tabs, but neither is there one around the whole page.01:30
Medic119There is no padding around screenshots either.01:31
qwerty12-N800crashanddie, i wish i knew :(.. seems like maybe it's authenicating itself01:31
crashanddieI don't know honestly01:32
Medic119FYI, there are other gecko browsers that aren't FF, but are based on Gecko (Konqueror comes to mind)01:32
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you wouldn't have a bright idea how to decrypt all this mess ?01:33
Veggenhmmf. I have a weird bug with maemo mapper.01:33
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, no.01:33
GeneralAntilleslcuk, back already?01:33
Medic119out.. later.01:33
lcukyes :D01:33
VeggenMy maps does not want to align.01:33
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crashanddiewhat kind of encryption/string modification would produce this ?01:34
lcukwhats the original and i could tell you, otherwise: its encrypted so how should we know?01:35
lcukactually, it just looks formatted01:35
crashanddieyeah, encoded01:35
lcukgot any other examples01:35
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lcukif so, get them all in a big long list in pastebin01:36
qos_lcuk, some encryptions create special cipher texts... he asks for that01:36
crashanddielcuk, yeah, I can get a few other examples01:38
lcukcrash, are they all the same length and similar formatting01:38
lcukwho wants a beer btw?01:38
Mouseyme, pls01:38
qos_lcuk, i take 201:38
lcukvia email or ssh?01:38
GeneralAntilleslcuk, reload and click About.01:39
qos_give me the link ...01:39
GeneralAntillesFew minor changes.01:39
Mouseyrsync, here01:39
Mouseywget.. bget?01:39
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crashanddielcuk, I'll take one too01:39
crashanddielcuk, I'm out of my main drug01:39
crashanddielcuk, nicotine :(01:39
lardmanmmmm, beer01:40
qos_crashanddie, i didn't smoked a cigarette for 2 days now :D01:40
lcukGeneralAntilles, that is about the most awesome thing in a book of awesomeness that ive ever seen.  even awesome-o thinks its cool :D01:40
lcuki actually really like that01:40
lcukcrashanddie, find novel things to build cigs out of01:40
GeneralAntillesIt's an idea that I had sort of half-implemented in the original.01:41
qos_i think i will stop thinking about that and goto bed ...01:41
GeneralAntillesThank Jaffa for the inspiration for that particular implementation.01:41
pupnikwhat is awesome?01:41
lardmanI'm off to bed too, night chaps01:42
pupnikcheers lardman01:42
lcukgnite lardman01:42
* lcuk does quickdraw01:42
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lcukdunno if i can tell you pupnik. this is GeneralAntilles's conception01:43
lcuki havent had my 810 on all night01:44
GeneralAntillesI shared it in the channel 20 minutes ago. ;)01:44
Mouseywelp, off to seattle.. ttyl, internets!!01:44
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GeneralAntillesNow get me some content so I can actually get rolling. :P01:44
lcukalrighty lol01:45
GeneralAntillesActually, where's that outline from LinuxTag?01:45
GeneralAntillesThat'd be a decent start.01:45
lcukbut thats awfullo01:45
lcukor is it01:46
lcukhmmm, for the about thing01:46
GeneralAntillesRevise that slightly to change it from a talk to an about page.01:46
GeneralAntillesIt'll be perfect.01:46
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GeneralAntillesMaybe par it down by about a page.01:47
lcukok, to get all this timed i will have to schedule everything, is the garage todo list ok, or is there perhaps some sort of shopping type application around which i might be able to use? lbt01:48
lcukby lots - i pared it down to 6 a5 cue cards for ltag ;)01:48
* GeneralAntilles shudders at the thought of the Garage task tracker.01:49
lcukthen dropped them when some geezer shoved a big mic in my face :S01:49
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lbtnearly there...02:13
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lbtfound some kind of bug in gtkmm - triggering a Gtk::HBox->remove() of a Gtk::Entry on the Gtk::Entry activate signal causes a segfault.02:14
lcukoh cripes02:14
lcuki spotted the strange one you had before with the object,basemethod()02:15
lbtyep - that was fun02:15
lcukthat would be a doozy of a thing to debug: but it wouldnt have occured if you didnt recurse your classes02:15
lcuka wonderful thing to do by the way, i have been building my classes without realising it was possible.02:16
lbtthis is a method of a deep base class (Gtk::Widget)02:16
lbtso any widget containing a container widget has the same methods02:17
lcukwhy are you removing something that you are entering02:17
lcuki would imagine that removing yourself whilst in the middle of working on yourself would be a bit of a nono02:17
lbtIf I instansiate (sp?) lots of Entry boxes then it goes slow :(02:17
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lbtit doesn't delete itseld02:18
lbtit just de-parent's itself02:18
lcukand reparents itself where it is needed for the next one?02:18
lbtbut I think the gtk 'activate' may try to trigger a default 'OK' button in the parent02:18
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lcuki gather as you enter a simple check item it becomes a fully editable one02:19
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lbtclick on the label and it becomes an Entry02:19
lcukand the slowdown is because having so many textboxes on screen is a bit cack02:19
lbtthey're all fully featured editors!!02:19
lbtand having 50 or so...02:19
lcukok, have you thought about not really reparenting, just put a single entry box on the form and move it over where it needs to be02:20
lbt(worked fine in Qtopia on the Zaurus though)02:20
lcukis this gtk02:20
lcukyes it02:20
lbtI create/delete it on the fly - it's fine02:20
lcukyou say up there02:20
lbtit all works when I get the 'focus lost' signal02:20
lbtjust not the 'activate'02:20
lbtI even added button click signals - they're fine02:21
lcuk[X] label1     [X] label2      [X] label3          at the start its this02:21
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lcuk[X] entry1     [X] label2      [X] label3          the user clicks on label102:22
lcukit creates entry102:22
lcukdo you wanna draw and explain02:22
mgedminlbt: a cheap workaround would be to postpone the removal of the entry a bit by using an idle handler02:22
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lcukclicking on 2 does what02:22
lbtI'm suspecting set_activates_default()02:23
lbt(For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.)02:23
lbtmgedmin: ugh02:24
lbtmgedmin: I thought about it :)02:24
lbtit creates entry202:24
lbtwhich gets focus02:24
lcuk[X] entry1     [X] entry2      [X] label3          when the user clicks on label2, does it create entry2 before it deletes entry102:24
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lbtand that deletes entry102:24
lbtwhich saves entry1->text to the data02:24
lbtwhich sends a signal to the label02:24
lbt(which just unhid)02:25
lbtto change state to display the new data02:25
lbtquite nice really02:25
lcukok, write the data to the data on lost focus or deshade or whatever its called when you move out of a field02:25
lcukdont think about removing it yet02:25
lcuksimply save it away in one swift motion with nothing to do with anything (and it will also ensure its caught when user clicks the menu button)02:26
mgedminlcuk: it's called "blur"02:26
mgedminthe opposite of "focus" ;-)02:26
lcukthanks mgedmin :)02:26
lbtline 10 is my innocent remove()02:27
lcuklbt, once you have removed the getting/setting code and you know entry1 needs removing it will be simpler02:27
lbtthere are 2 paths into this function - lose focus signal or activate signal02:27
lbtone works fine, the other doesn't02:28
lbtso it's not a deleting myself type problem02:28
lbtnb - I just stopped it from searching the parent window for an activate_default02:29
lcukin the example above, the user has just clicked label2,  entry2 has been created and entry2_activate is being run.  what specifically does it remove?   entry1 for sure or entry202:29
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lbtnot quite02:30
lbtactivate is run when the user hits <RETURN>02:30
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lbtso if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container02:31
lbtE1 is created and added02:31
lbtit then gets focus02:32
lbtall fine02:32
lbtwhen I click L2, L2 is remove()ed02:32
lbtE2 is created and gets focus02:32
lbtE1 loses focus and the lose_focus callback is run02:32
lbtthis remove()s E1 from the container and adds L102:33
lbtit then copies data from E1 -> DB02:33
lbtthen deletes E102:33
lbtthat works fine02:33
lcukok fair enough :)02:33
lbtso if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container02:34
lbtE1 is created and added02:34
lbtit then gets focus02:34
lbtI then edit02:34
lbtand hit return02:34
lbtthe activate callback is run02:34
lbt(same fn)02:34
lbtthis remove()s E1 from the container and adds L102:35
lbtit then copies data from E1 -> DB02:35
lbtthen deletes E102:35
lbtbut it crashes (line 10) in the remove()02:35
crashanddieanyone know of a language/data structure where strings/rows are terminated by 0x02 ?02:35
lcuknot really.  in a lostfocus event, the base control sounds like it has simply been written to handle this and not need to do anything more with the control02:36
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lcukhowever, pressing enter sounds like a more advanced event which thinks you are in the middle of something and is not expecting it02:36
lbtactivate is typically used as the 'close' signal though02:36
lcukit doesnt sound like it should be02:37
lbtno, it's not 'press enter' - activate() is supposed to be read as 'press OK'02:37
lbthence the 'experts explanation' I mentioned02:37
lbt(For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.)02:37
lbtactivate_default is usually the 'OK' button in the parent window02:38
lcukyes, but im used to a command button handling things like that - ie a defaulted button will get the event after it has lostfocus on the entry box and gone to the button02:38
lbtyes but..... given a dialog with an entry and OK/Cancel02:38
lcukis it a case of you are listening too closely: could you move the "activate" to be handled by the container for instance02:38
lcukrather than the specific entry control02:38
lbtthen hitting enter in an Entry is *defined* to be allowed to simulate an OK press02:38
lbtit is :)02:39
lbtactivate is passed to the super-parent02:39
lbtwhich then tidies up the grandchildren02:39
lbtI've noted this as a bug for now - I'll come back to it l8r02:40
lcukok, so we wont press enter ;)02:41
lcukwhats the beef with updating on keypress?02:41
lbtI have an N800 - no problem for me!!02:41
lcukand remove all the worry about focus or not02:41
lbtoh - focus works!!02:42
lbtit's keypress that's borked02:42
GeneralAntilleslcuk, reload.02:42
lcukyes, but if its updated all the time, theres no real need to do *anything* when the user presses enter02:42
GeneralAntillesAdded some content and another submenu02:42
lcukjust let focusing deal with it entirely02:42
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lcukits the user pressing enter and then having its feet taken away from under it02:43
lbtwell, focusing means there's always a text box visible02:43
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lbtpressing enter leaves it neat and tidy02:43
lbthey - I'll release the code RSN02:43
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lcukif you seperate the actions it might clean itself up02:43
lbtthen you can see what I really mean02:44
* lcuk is a firm believer in "one thing at a time"02:44
lcukyes i do02:44
lbtoh, me too - that's why I'm loathe to leave it buggy02:44
lcuktry it without updating anything02:44
lcukjust comment out the update line02:44
lbtdid - works fine02:45
GeneralAntillesIt may or may not be convenient to edit your LinuxTag stuff in svn now that it's in there.02:45
lcukquick 2 minute test would tell you if its the modifying writing expecting data displayed end of it02:45
lbt(sorry, the remove()02:45
lbtlook at the bt though02:45
lbtnothing to do with my data - it crashes before my update :)02:45
lbtremoving line 1 fixes the problem02:46
lbtit crashes in line 102:46
lbtso removing line 4 doesn't help :)02:46
lbtappreciate the thoughts though ..... but it's late02:47
lbtI gotta go02:47
lbtcatch you all over the w'end....02:47
lcuklbt, gnite, but why are you removing it then uysing it02:48
lcukshit, wrong window02:50
GeneralAntillesAh, more retardation.
GeneralAntillesI don't have the energy to respond to his stupidity.02:54
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yigalso I'm putting my mind into the n800 one task at a time, is there any program that works a bit faster than the default email client?03:00
yigalI'm used to mutt, so I might not be happy with it because of that03:01
yigalbut I may as well ask03:01
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yigalI do like the flashing led bif that's a nice one03:02
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GeneralAntillesEr, use mutt?03:02
yigalGeneralAntilles: the download link at maemo is down03:03
yigalGeneralAntilles: I don't have a developers system set up, I should probably do this and compile mutt?03:03
GeneralAntillesNot a bad plan03:03
yigalok, perhaps a couple of week then03:03
yigalnot too long a time03:04
GeneralAntillesYou could always just get the vmware image.03:04
yigalhmm, that sounds better :)03:04
yigalbut I'm using amd64 is it only 32?03:05
lcukdoes it matter?03:05
lcukgood point, its not an emulator is it03:05
yigalnot sure, probably not03:05
yigalbut it is being treated as an OS by itself, so there shouldn03:06
yigalt be problems?03:06
yigalmay as well try03:06
GeneralAntillesvmware will work fine.03:06
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yigalare there no precompiled packages of mutt, not that I won't set up the environment, I'm already attached to my n800, but I won't have to work quite as much initially to get what I want?03:07
GeneralAntillesvmware is pretty much download and go.03:09
crashanddiehey GA, you're old03:11
crashanddieyou should know this03:11
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GeneralAntillesAn interesting sense of old.03:11
crashanddiehas Wayfinder always worked around the same ideas ? i.e.: give everyone free maps, but make them pay for directions ?03:11
yigalok so first to install vmware :)03:11
crashanddieor did earlier versions require you to pay to get the updated maps ?03:11
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, the application wasn't bundled on OS2006 and OS200703:12
GeneralAntillesThe Maps shipped on a DVD03:12
GeneralAntillesDunno if there were updates.03:12
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, what I'm trying to find out, is if the license I get with my n810 entitles me to get updated maps ?03:12
GeneralAntillesI think it's mentioned in the sales documents.03:13
crashanddieBecause at the moment, their implementation fails and the maps don't download03:13
GeneralAntillesemail them and ask 'em if they'll ship you a CD. :P03:13
crashanddieI've been trying to reverse engineer their distribution system, and I've come quite some way03:13
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GeneralAntillesI thought they had direct links on the website03:14
crashanddiethey're outdated03:14
GeneralAntillesEmail them. :P03:15
crashanddiethe new maps are 2008.1, the versions on the website are 2007.sumthin03:15
yigalso I need vmware player ?03:15
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, aside from the communications lag, it'd probably be easier to give them the opportunity to rectify the situation. :P03:17
crashanddiewell, I'll contact them03:18
crashanddieand if they don't reply nicely03:18
crashanddieI'll send my botnet on their servers03:18
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lcukservers in hawaii?03:22
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lcukGeneralAntilles, have you ever been called old before :D03:23
GeneralAntillesBy my sister once or twice03:23
GeneralAntillesBut she's currently 16, so meh.03:23
lcukwhat else are siblings for :) my sister is 4 years old er than me and i remind her every chance i get03:23
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: pics? >_>03:24
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you don't value your life much, do you?03:24
summatusmentislol, I kid, I kid03:25
summatusmentismy sister just turned 16, no worries03:25
* GeneralAntilles throws Molotov cocktails at summatusmentis.03:25
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* summatusmentis throws shrimp cocktails at GeneralAntilles 03:26
summatusmentistake that!03:26
lcukGeneralAntilles, ill try and layout those notes a little better, they were geared for speech rather than pagination03:26
GeneralAntilleslcuk, delete some of it, and make the paragraphs a bit longer.03:26
lcukexactly, ill give you some cleaner copy now i know what it needs to look like03:27
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lcuki might enslave eldest into writing it tomorrow actually.  he needs a lesson in word processing03:27
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GeneralAntillesYou could toss in some HTML if you're feeling mean. ;)03:28
lcukno need, Microsoft Word 2000 can save as HTML.  i can has instant webpages :D03:28
lcukmove out of the way web designers ;) im comin through :P:P:P03:29
lcukill save as RTF and let you deal with it03:29
GeneralAntillesI like how Microsoft inserts proprietary elements into their "html" pages so that it only renders correctly in IE.03:29
GracanaHas anyone done any work to get ip forwarding and iptables nat support working in ITOS?03:29
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lcuktheir "HTML" is so screwed up03:29
summatusmentisI won't talk to you anymore if you submit an MS Word created .html file03:29
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crashanddieholy shit03:30
lcuka micrsoft HTML file contains something like 76kb of data just to say "hello world!"03:30
crashanddiewireshark has been capturing packets since... 5PM03:30
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, s/n8x0/N800 and N810/ and s/NIT/N810/03:30
summatusmentis<3 wireshark03:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, too late, already clicked send03:31
lcukhey, you can rewatch all your pron!03:31
crashanddiewell, no03:31
crashanddiecuz it captured only stuff from the NIT xD03:31
GracanaWhat, you don't stream porn to your tablet?03:31
lcukmy timezone doesnt drift anymore, but i DID think about rm_you03:32
lcuki used to spend a lot of time mid atlantic03:32
crashanddielcuk, watch the alt message on the pic03:33
lcukgee, doesnt he get a lot of sleep03:33
crashanddie(btw, if I suddenly stop replying, it's because I suffered power outage, big ass thunderstorm over here)03:33
crashanddielcuk, some people are lucky03:34
lcuki loath weekends though where i have to get up03:34
crashanddielcuk, btw, you made me laugh earlier03:34
crashanddielcuk, sending me emails of stuff I had to post on the IRC channel03:34
lcuktracy was using mine so i couldnt03:34
lcukand its a bit suspect if i have webbased irc up03:35
lcukso i routed around the damage and found a way :D03:35
crashanddie"Your Geek Gay Lover again ?"03:35
lcukoh yer i forgot about that, i need to retaliate03:36
GracanaHmmmm. I don't think vmware will run very fast on my intel atom based laptop.03:36
* Gracana doesn't want to go upstairs to get on his desktop03:36
crashanddieis that a backwards way to brag about the fact you have an atom based laptop ?03:37
lcukyou swanky git with your atom processor.  in my day if we wanted to  use vmware we had to go upstairs BOTH WAYS03:37
Gracanacrashanddie, haha, I guess it could be.03:37
lcuki expected him to hold it up and to hear the intel chimes03:37
ds3has some discovered matter based on something other then atoms? if not, a atom based laptop seems rather redundant ;)03:38
GracanaBut we all have shmancy little internet devices, so I don't feel too smug.03:38
Gracanahaha ds303:38
lcuka non atomic atom processor would be cool03:38
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lcukor would it be hot?03:38
* lcuk explodes03:38
crashanddieorganic-cell based processor03:39
crashanddiestill atom based, but hawt03:39
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GracanaI know some pretty hot organic-cell based processors.03:39
crashanddie"shit, my CPU is at 29.8C" "ouch, bad fever... You might have caught a virus"03:39
lcukcrashanddie, could you really cope if your NIT was organic and alive.  every time you bang the cursor too much it says "ouch"03:40
* Gracana smacks crashanddie for making such puns03:40
* GeneralAntilles wants more people to tell us that Nokia should switch to the Atom so he can laugh at them.03:40
GracanaNah, arm really is superior.03:40
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you sound like an apple fanboy 10 years ago03:40
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GeneralAntilles10 years ago?03:41
GracanaIf you must have an x86, atom is pretty good, but if you can build it around an ARM..03:41
lcuksilicone processors are way better.  boobies are even better than arms03:41
GeneralAntillesLet's see, 68k was already gone03:41
GeneralAntillesand x86 was 7 years away03:41
crashanddielcuk, I prefer legs than arms, quite honestly03:41
lcuk68k rulez03:41
GeneralAntillesAh, this one makes me laugh:
GeneralAntilles68k sux03:42
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crashanddielcuk, I would fall for a girl with long legs, not so much for a girl that has long arms :P03:42
GracanaHas anyone set up maemo/scratchbox development environment in ubuntu? I remember having a hell of a time last time I tried.03:42
crashanddieGracana, download a .sh, run it, done03:42
lcukdepends on linux flavour03:43
lcukscratchbox prefers debian doesnt it03:43
lcuklol its ok im blind03:43
* lcuk missed the ubuntu03:43
Gracanacrashanddie, yeah.. That failed in a rather complex manner last time. I'll give it another shot though.03:45
crashanddieGracana, you runny gutsy ? hardy ? feisty ?03:45
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crashanddiethen there's no problem03:47
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GracanaAre there up-to-date instructions on getting scratchbox set up somewhere?03:48
GracanaI'm finding a lot of old stuff..03:49
crashanddieok, let's see03:51 1, 2, 303:51
crashanddieYup, that's it03:51
crashanddie3 clicks from the page, and I have it :)03:51
crashanddieGracana, wget
crashanddiechmod +x maemo*.sh03:52
crashanddiehey lcuk, still there ?03:54
* GeneralAntilles asplodes.03:55
GracanaThanks, crashanddie.03:55
* lcuk wipes bits of GeneralAntilles off his shoulder03:55
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GeneralAntillesI need some ice cream.03:56
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GeneralAntillesToo much retardation can only be solved by ice cream.03:56
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I have some home made coffee-chocolate-vanilla icecream :)03:57
GeneralAntillesI should steal my parent's ice cream maker when I go home03:57
GeneralAntillesthey never use it.03:57
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crashanddiewhy steal ?03:57
crashanddieIf they don't use it03:57
crashanddiejust ask for it ?03:57
GeneralAntillesSteal in a humorous sense.03:58
GeneralAntillesSaying "I should ask my parents if I can have the ice cream maker when I go home" just sounds silly.03:58
crashanddieI fail to see the humour in stealing03:58
* GeneralAntilles is wondering how Hellboy II will be.03:59
GeneralAntillesInteresting change of direction compared to the first.03:59
crashanddie"Server problems turned this year's iPhone 3G launch into an exercise in patience for Apple fans and employees, as eager buyers faced waits of up to two hours to get their iPhone 3Gs activated in Apple stores, and many left with iPhone 3Gs in hand but the activation process incomplete. The same problems affected original iPhone owners trying to install the iPhone 2.0 software, turning their handsets into "iBricks.""03:59
GeneralAntillesThey shoulda just let 'em activate at home. . . .03:59
GeneralAntillesMy mother, apparently, didn't have any trouble, though.04:00
GracanaI'm pretty sure you can activate at home.04:01
GeneralAntillesNot the 3G04:01
t_s_oall this so apple and the rest can feed their controlfreak needs...04:02
GracanaOh, you know that for a fact? I was under the impression that a couple people I knew were just doing it at home with itunes.04:02
GracanaMaybe that was something else.04:02
t_s_oi think i read there where people that got most of it done in the store as planed, and then got the phone handed to them and told to finish the process at home04:03
GracanaThat could have been what these guys were doing.04:04
t_s_oi wonder how many phones apple have in storage and will be "rationing" out to the faithful over the next couple of weeks...04:05
t_s_oor maybe they are just giving priority to their own places...04:06
t_s_owould make sense in a way...04:06
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GracanaIt did not like that.04:22
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Gracanascratchbox installed, I think04:27
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lcuk_zzzgnite chan04:29
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* GeneralAntilles sighs.04:33
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burnteI've got the openssh package installed, but it seems if the tablet is idle for a couple minutes without using the net interface, my ssh session drops04:37
burnteso I have to keep click browser links to keep my ssh session alive. Am I alone in this?04:39
GracanaI think so. Is your WLAN timeout set to something?04:39
GeneralAntillesSounds like an issue with your AP.04:39
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burnteGeneralAntilles: I doubt that, because it wshould't care what kind of traffic04:40
burnteif web traffic keeps it alive, then ssh traffic would too04:40
derfburnte: Are you ssh'ing into the tablet, or out of it?04:40
derfYeah, I have the same problem.04:40
burnte(easier than using the built in keyboard for extended periods)04:40
derfYou have to occaisionally send outgoing traffic, or it seems to stop listening for incoming traffic.04:41
GracanaHmm, I never had that problem.04:41
burntederf: yep04:41
derfBut just using the ssh session should be enough (or at least, it is for me).04:41
burnteshould be, yeah04:41
burnteit's like something is only paying attention to GUI apps or something04:42
burntenot shell net use04:42
derfNo, the dichotomy is definitely transmit/receive for me, not which app is doing it.04:42
burnteI never explored that much to determine other apps did it04:43
GeneralAntillesMine idles on ssh all without issue.04:43
GeneralAntillesThough it also idles on XChat, so that may help.04:43
burnteoh man04:43
burntethat's not a bad idea04:43
burnteI forgot about xchat04:44
burntewhen I had xchat running it didn't do this I think04:44
GeneralAntillesIt's in Extras. ;)04:44
* burnte grabs the 81004:44
burnteI'm still shoehornign xchat back in after my latest flash04:44
GeneralAntillesEr, just install it from Application manager?04:44
burntewhat repo?04:45
* burnte wonders why AM isn't finding it04:46
GeneralAntillesThe only repo you really need. ;)04:46
GeneralAntillesChinook or Diablo?04:46
GeneralAntillesAh, wait04:46
GeneralAntillesIt hasn't been promoted yet.04:46
GeneralAntillesWhich I don't have a .install handy for. . . ..04:46
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burntegronmayer probably haas it04:47
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GracanaHey crashanddie, thanks for the help, I now have a proper scratchbox development environment.04:57
crashanddieGracana, your welcome04:59
crashanddienext time, just try to look a bit better around the website, ok ?04:59
Gracanacrashanddie, I'm not one to ask for help without looking. I just wasn't able to find it.04:59
crashanddieGracana, most of the resources are located on the maemo website when you click "development", you should find a whole package of info there.05:00
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GeneralAntillest_s_o, you need Red Pill on to see the Settings dialog.05:01
t_s_otried that, still didnt see it. that is unless i have to restart app manager before it shows up :P05:02
t_s_obut then i have no issue with droping to cli for a bit of apt-get when app manager throws a tantrum...05:02
GeneralAntillesYou have to restart.05:05
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crashanddiegotta love the first comment on that05:12
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t_s_oheh, bofh...05:15
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crashanddiebed, all that05:16
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burnteyeah, ok, got xchat back in, yeah, that keeps the network session live05:30
burnteso, note to self, leave xchat open so I can ssh in. :)05:30
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Medic119everyones lurking I see06:13
Raytrayof cousre06:13
Medic119is there any news other than the iPhone *is* the second coming today?06:15
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johnxheh...the other news is that the second coming is delayed by problems with activation servers06:16
Medic119yep, too many idiots willing to part with their money06:17
Medic119in other news:  n810s not plaugued by server loads..lol06:19
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Medic119anyone from Fairbanks, Alaska lurking?06:20
GeneralAntillesWill somebody package a becomeroot/easyroot package for Extras already?06:20
Medic119how about an update to the diablo xserver-xomap package for rotation06:21
GeneralAntillesBeing talked about.06:21
GeneralAntillesWell, it's already been updated06:21
GeneralAntillesfor a while now06:21
GeneralAntillesbut getting it into Extras is being discussed.06:21
GeneralAntillesThe issue is osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked06:22
Medic119really?  I loaded the latest Rotate Package and apt/app mgr keeps telling me to update xomap06:22
GeneralAntillesYou have Red Pill mode on, don't you?06:22
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Medic119yes, and this is the version I am using xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb, but yesterday it started telling me to update to a new version06:23
GeneralAntillesTurn off Red Pill06:23
GeneralAntillesNobody should be leaving Red Pill mode on.06:23
Medic119I am not too familiar with apt-get either (used yum and smart forever) is there a way to filter upgrades?  ie apt-get upgrade p*06:24
GeneralAntillesI don't know why it's been proliferated as some sort of "fix-it" mode, but nobody should be leaving it on and people really shouldn't recommend it as such.06:24
tank-manthey like red pill mode cause the matrix is cool06:26
GeneralAntillesyeah, and Neo died. :P06:27
tank-mani dont remember that06:27
Medic119yep he did, and came back06:28
* GeneralAntilles facepalms.06:28
Medic119i understand Ubuntu Mobile isn't so hot06:28
GeneralAntillesIt's still very young.06:29
GeneralAntillesI mean, it certainly has potential06:29
GeneralAntillesBut until it actually ships on something. . . .06:29
Medic119yea, everything has potential though.  I used OS/2 and thought it was the Sh**T, but alas IBM's marketing sucked and windows was already secure06:30
Medic119I was actually a Beta Tester for OS/2 Warp06:31
Medic119Ran rings around Winblows95, but alas...06:31
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Medic119And then there was FAmiliar hacked onto iPaqs.. potential - but again....06:33
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Medic119Gotta say Vagalume rocks...06:34
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Medic119Between that and Numpty Physics, my wife is even liking my NIT06:34
yigalGeneralAntilles: where is the vmware image for maemo sdk?06:44
yigalor anyone else06:44
Medic119VMWae for MAemo!?  Wow, better have some disk spac06:46
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yigalwell I must reboot, a debian box I know it's sad but it is a laptop so it isn't too bad, be back in 10minutes06:50
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yigalnot so bad06:53
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yigalwow installing the latest vmplayer is not so simple when module-assistant crokes :), ok now for installing maemo's sdk07:08
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rm_youi hate how pings scroll off07:13
yigalscroll off?07:15
rm_youxchat has a maximum history length07:15
yigaloh, I use irssi, I will hopefully add irssi as a n800 package07:16
yigalbut I still haven't added the sdk :)07:16
yigalso we'll see how far I get07:16
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yigalin 2 hours I will have downloaded the vmware image I'm a happy boy07:23
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yigalok so what is the first step in building a .deb for maemo in this case mutt and more specifically for my n800?08:20
yigaldo I download the arm deb and modify this or start from scratch ?08:20
rm_youdownload the source tar.gz08:20
yigalnot the arm .deb too different?08:20
rm_youthe .deb is already compiled08:21
rm_youyou need the source08:21
yigalbut it can be tweaked08:21
rm_youno, it is pre-compiled binary08:21
rm_youyou can't do anything to it08:21
rm_youyou need the source08:21
yigalso what about the source to the arm deb - sorry you are right08:22
yigalit at least has a control file etc.08:22
rm_youwhat is the name of the file you downloaded?08:23
yigalnothing yet08:23
yigalI'm downloading maemo-sdk-0.608:23
yigalin roughly 40 minutes it will be ready to use08:23
yigaland I want to prepare for a trial run of trying to get mutt up and running08:23
yigalso I figure I can either download the src to the deb or download as you said the tar.gz08:24
GeneralAntilleser, the tar.gz is the source to the deb.08:25
yigaloh, ok, then that makes it easy :)08:25
rm_youyou probably want and as a starting point08:26
yigalrm_you: thank you but I think I'm going for lenny :)08:28
rm_youheh k... sometimes it is harder to get them to work due to dependencies08:29
rm_youetch is generally the easiest08:29
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yigalinteresting, ok, then I'm going easy08:29
monteslu /join #tux4kids08:29
yigalthere was an episode a couple of days ago when some poor chap did an 'identify <password>' :)08:30
yigalthis was on #debian08:30
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rm_youhrm, looks like you will also need to find libsasl2 and libdb4.408:31
rm_youor compile them08:31
yigalok so boring as it is I'll go for an etch source and then I've heard hildon is really picky08:32
yigalso try for libsasl2 first08:32
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yigalor something like08:32
chmacChanging the tablet hostname with `hostname newname` should work right?08:33
chmacI've added the host to /etc/hosts08:33
rm_youchmac: it never seems to stick08:33
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chmacrm_you: Hmm08:33
rm_youit used to...08:33
rm_youin os200708:33
chmacrm_you: Is there a config file where it can be set maybe?08:33
rm_youbut i havent been able to get it changed in 200808:33
chmacThere's no /etc/sysconfig on my n810...08:33
yigaleverytime it connects to a server, change the hostname :)08:34
rm_youlol viral hostnames08:34
rm_youhrm changing it manually in /etc/hostname appears to have worked for now :)08:34
chmacSeems to have worked for me08:35
chmacI'll try a reboot just to be sure08:35
chmacSeems to have worked for me :)08:38
yigalchmac: sounds good! I'm going for it, 'little dude' - I'm drunk right now08:39
burntechange /etc/hostname, etc/hosts, and /proc/sys/kernel/hostname08:39
burntethat changes it globally, and allows you to refer to it locally as yournewhostname rather than localhost too08:39
yigalburnte: thank you08:40
burnteno problem08:40
burnteit's the least I can do for the help I've recieved here. :)08:40
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yigal12 minutes until sdk is mine08:48
* burnte resets yigal's DHCP lease, killing his download08:49
yigalno the insanity, the injustice08:50
rm_youso yeah... i am going to start doing this:
yigalhmm good morning from Australia - I live in California08:59
Proteousit's 11pm!!!09:04
Proteousin cali that is09:04
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yigalyes it is, + a few minutes09:06
yigalfeeling good on smog + the ocean air09:06
yigalcan't get enough09:06
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yigalok the sdk has expanded to 4.5gb hopefully it will stop soon09:08
zapyou mean the vmware dump?09:08
yigalyes, sorry09:08
yigalno context09:08
zap:) I just installed ubuntu in kvm and installed sdk there09:09
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yigalMy resources are small enough that I don't want to break them up into virtual machines, if I can help it, but kvm looks pretty neat09:11
yigalhow large does it get?09:11
yigalthe dump09:12
zapthe base image is 2.4Gb and the image-based-on-base is 780Mb09:12
Proteoustoo large to flush!09:12
zapbut qemu-kvm can compress the disk images09:12
yigal7gb it's done09:12
yigalthe bootsplash is very cute09:14
yigalif I have an internet connection on the host should I have a problem getting an internet connection on the virtual machine with vmplayer?09:25
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Stskeepsyigal: you can always do NAT09:39
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Stskeepsmorn qwerty1209:42
qwerty12good morning Stskeeps09:43
Stskeepsqwerty12: do you have any need for the wext enabled cx3110x driver in your android projects? and issues with power saving?09:44
qwerty12Hmm, android doesn't actually manage any wireless stuff, I have to connect through maemo first and android will use that connection.09:45
Stskeepsthought it was a seperate boot like debian is09:45
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ireeshmm, i have an n770, i can ssh root@localhost from the device, but can't ssh into it from another machine09:55
ireesactually i probably hosed it pretty bad, maybe i'll just reinstall from scratch09:55
Stskeepsirees: happen to have something like bootmenu and such on n770?09:57
Stskeeps(for booting other OS'es)09:57
ireesi don't think bootmenu is installed09:57
ireesi'm just going to reflash it real quick...09:58
ireesi haven't messed with this thing in like 6 mos09:58
Stskeepswas just curious since i wonder how n770 boot-other-OS'es work :P09:58
ireesi want to use it as a UPnP client09:58
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, same as the rest.09:58
GeneralAntillesIt isn't very different.09:58
qwerty12Stskeeps, Mount up the initfs on the computer if you want to find out :P09:59
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: k - so the usual fuckery with /tmp with dsmesock and such?09:59
Stskeepsand strange /var/run? :P09:59
GeneralAntillesfanoush is magic.09:59
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ireeshow much onboard storage does an n770 have?10:06
GeneralAntillesEr, 128MB, rather.10:06
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khertanhum ... maemo summit is in Berlin ... about 1000Km ... ouch ... 110L of Super ... so 110*1.47*2 euro ... ouch too many euro ?10:13
khertanno summit is planned in France ?10:13
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, The nitapps guy never responded to your extras request did he?10:13
GeneralAntillesNo, he appears to be dead.10:13
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qwerty12I dunno, he managed to keep up with diablo:
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I hearby nominate you to package an easyroot/becomeroot package for Extras. :P10:14
qwerty12Hmm, having easyroot in extras would be useful. Maybe I'll make a clone :P10:15
burnteyeah, that's where I scored nano10:15
burntesooo nice10:15
irees*please work*10:15
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khertanhum ... maybe but at this time this is more simplier to create a repository than to upload to extras10:16
GeneralAntillesnano for maemo sucks10:16
GeneralAntillesSegfaults all the time.10:16
burntecourse, I don't use it for long10:16
khertanspecially on search10:16
khertan ^W10:16
ireesheh, i wish i was lucky enough to live within 1000km of berlin10:16
qwerty12I wonder if it's some common thing because irssi likes to segfault too.10:16
burnteok, I never thought this would happen to me, but I don't know where my tablet is. I can ping it, but can't see it.10:17
GeneralAntillesPlay an mp3!10:17
qwerty12ssh into it and run an dbus command to blink the led :P10:17
khertanirees: i live near Paris ... :)10:17
ireeskhertan: want to trade? i'm stuck in texas... sigh.10:17
rm_youlol i am in texas too most of the year10:18
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khertanirees: hum ... how fuel is priced ?10:18
khertani take the change :)10:18
ireesa little bit over $4usd per gallon, or about $1.05USD / L10:18
GeneralAntillesflite is effective at getting insanely loud static.10:18
rm_youwas like $4.20 a gallon last i was there, is like $4.40 here in WA :P10:18
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khertanhum here it s 1.47 to 1.55 / L10:19
khertan1.47 Euro10:19
GeneralAntillesYou guys get taxed to hell.10:19
irees2.30 usd10:19
GeneralAntillesYou've nobody to blame but yourselves. ;)10:19
ireesabout 8.5 usd/gallon10:19
khertanGeneralAntilles: yes too taxed10:19
khertanGeneralAntilles: but can't do nothing ...10:20
ireesi don't mind10:20
Makeghohow comes that when I have no programs open and I try to switch desktop background it complains there's not enough memory? Image size is 3000x2000 so it should take only 24 megabytes.10:20
ireesi don't drive alot, i mostly use public transit and my bike10:20
qwerty12Makegho, I think you answered your own question.10:20
khertanirees: public transit are mostly in strike in france10:20
ireesi wanted to spend a week in Paris with my wife in January.. our first trip out of the country together... but the euro makes it too expensive.10:21
khertanjust wait 10 years10:21
ireeswhen i went in 2002, it was 0.90 usd / 1 euro10:21
khertanwhen france will have no more money and will be a under developped country10:22
khertanit ll become attractiv again ...10:22
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qwerty12Isn't Paris one of the mostly visited cities in the world?10:22
khertanit is ... but i don't understand why10:22
khertanthere is many more beautiful thing to see in france ...10:23
yigallike the women?10:24
Makeghoqwerty12: but what takes all the memory and why I can still open many many programs. Besides, I can open it with an image viewer.10:24
khertanyigal: :)10:24
burnteoh, right, there it is10:24
rm_youmeh, I'd much rather visit Tokyo than Paris :P10:24
khertanrm_you: me too :)10:24
ireesi might go to tokyo next month10:24
ireesfor work10:24
khertanin my priority list : tokyo, moscou10:25
qwerty12rm_you, same here. I typed in punnany in google earth and it took me straight to Japan, after that hint, I'm not going anywhere else! :P10:25
ireeshrmn, the canola upnp plugin doesnt want to install10:26
burntespeaking of canola, I tried mplayer, which claimed to be fast, adn it was pathetic, I was getting 5fps on an mp4 that the built in media player did fine. is canola better?10:27
qwerty12Makegho, maybe the background-manager doesn't like it. Seeing as you aren't going to zoom in when it's set as a background, it may just be easier to reduce the size.10:27
rm_youcanola uses mplayer for video10:27
qwerty12And it can be slower because of the way it uses mplayer too.10:27
GeneralAntillesburnte, h.264 and aac is the _one_ thing Media player does better than mplayer.10:27
rm_youand i've yet to see a file play better with the built-in than with mplayer10:27
rm_youcan you post that file somewhere?10:27
GeneralAntillesmplayer blows Media player on everything else.10:27
ireesany idea why the upnp plugin isn't showing up?10:27
rm_youi couldn't get media-player to even recognize my h264/mp4's video format10:28
rm_youit just refused to play >_>10:28
burnterm_you: Lemme find it...10:28
GeneralAntilless/player /player out of the water/10:28
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: mplayer out of the waterblows Media player on everything else.10:28
GeneralAntillesRight then10:28
yigalok I see the maemo sdk image's /etc/apt/sources.list is filled with ubuntu repos. should I try with these or work with debian's for my initial try at building mutt?10:28
qwerty12I want an xvid gstreamer plugin. I should get my ass round to it sometimes.10:28
rm_youat least mplayer tried, though it did do badly... but i wouldn't expect the tablet to play h264, it's SOOOOO cpu intensive to decode10:28
GeneralAntillesyigal, you don't need to change anything on the vmware image.10:28
Makeghoqwerty12: yup, seems that the background setter's code is diferent then. Is there a way in my N810 to resize images?10:29
GeneralAntillesrm_you, Media player actually has some decent h.264 optimization.10:29
yigalGeneralAntilles: ok, so download the source of mutt and dependendencies and try building?10:29
rm_youwell, like i said, it didn't even recognize the format when i tried10:29
GeneralAntillesMakegho, just drop it through an image converter on your desktop. :\10:29
qwerty12Makegho, The image viewer has a resize option. Haven't tried it though.10:29
burnteGeneralAntilles: That might be why then, that's how I transcoded it, to h264 and aac10:29
GeneralAntillesh.264 and aac is the absolute worst combination you could pick for the tablet.10:30
rm_youburnte: just use mencoder or something to encode to avi/xvid10:30
rm_youcan go up to like 1400 video bitrate10:30
burnteserves me right for reading the spec sheet then. :)10:30
GeneralAntillesmp3 audio at lower than 44.110:30
rm_youand use 400x240 resolution10:30
khertanis there a voluntary to add dpkg-buildpackage in extras-devel ?10:30
GeneralAntillesburnte, just because it supports it doesn't mean it's the best supported format. :)10:30
burnterm_you: Yeah, that I had10:30
khertan(i warn there is some depandancies)10:30
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GeneralAntillesand Nokia's spec sheet has nothing to do with aftermarket software life mplayer.10:30
qwerty12The Epson was the worst thing nokia could pick for the tablet (excluding rotation which was cool :))10:31
rm_youqwerty12: ??10:31
burnteGeneralAntilles: I know, I read the "supported codecs" bit on the glossy and jsut transcoded to that10:31
rm_youEpson? as in, printers?10:31
qwerty12Epson as in Lcd controller :)10:31
burnteto run in media player, then LATER tried mplayer10:31
rm_youah lol10:31
rm_youburnte: try playing one of the samples in encoded for mplayer10:32
qwerty12When jott told me it had only 1MB for the framebuffer, I wanted to send a tank into Epson HQ.10:32
khertanSo no voluntary ?10:32
rm_youlol it even plays nice streaming10:33
qwerty12khertan, it's already in dpkg-dev ;)10:34
GeneralAntillesrm_you's creepy shit.10:35
Makeghonot enough memory to crop it :/ but if I boot then it succeeds10:35
khertanqwerty12: but dpkg-dev isn't available for device :)10:36
khertanin extras-devel10:36
Makeghobut I don't want to boot my device every now and then10:36
yigalare there any links I can look at for building packages for diablo in general?10:36
rm_youlol its a Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya AMV :P10:36
qwerty12khertan, Hmm, I could make a package that would install but I wouldn't be able to put it on a repo.10:36
qwerty12rm_you, I SO totally got that.10:36
khertanqwerty12: i ve the same problem :)10:36
rm_youGeneralAntilles thinks its creepy :P10:37
qwerty12Can't blame him for thinking that :p10:37
GeneralAntillesAnime is creepy by definition.10:37
GeneralAntillesDoesn't stop me from watching it, but still. ;)10:37
GeneralAntillesJust saw this one recently:
GeneralAntillesOut there.10:39
rm_youlol yeah10:39
rm_youPaprika is kinda like Paranoia Agent, isn't it?10:39
GeneralAntillesHaven't seen Paranoia Agent.10:40
ireesgrr.. sigh.10:42
khertanqwerty12: the purpose is to upload it to extras-devel, so i could upload Py2Deb module, and so i can make an new version of PyPackager that can make compliant lintian error free packages that can be uploaded directly from the tablet to extras-devel10:42
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MakeghoI could bet the bgimage setter forgets to call free10:44
yigalI'm sorry I'm very dense, is the virtual sdk I've installed "ARMEL" so that what ever binaries I compile in there I can move over to the n800 and have a good chance of them working - command line of course? or something else?10:45
yigalor something else10:45
GeneralAntillesrm_you, what'd you encode that with?10:45
rm_youGeneralAntilles: 770-encode10:45
rm_youwith highly tweaked settings10:45
rm_youthe predecessor to tablet-encode10:46
GeneralAntillesYes, I know what it is. :P10:46
* rm_you is still dubious about tablet-encode10:46
GeneralAntillesThe "Huh" was that I don't get that kind of quality out of my encodings.10:46
rm_youlol, what was the Huh for :P10:46
* GeneralAntilles sighs.10:46
GeneralAntillesYou're ridiculous. :P10:46
rm_youit... it haa a *GUI*. eww10:46
GeneralAntillestablet-encode isn't any different from 770-econde10:46
GeneralAntillesIt just handles edges cases better and has more features10:46
khertanmust go on  ... bye10:47
GeneralAntillesYou don't have to use it. <_<10:47
rm_youand it tried to be way too smart and do things i didn't tell it to do10:47
ireesgrumble... my ps3 can see my UPNP server, but not my tablet...10:47
rm_youirees: yeah i found i had to reboot <_<10:47
burnteholy crap10:47
rm_youdunno why10:47
burnteI jsut loaded one of my BSG rips into mplayer10:47
burntenearly FLAWLESS10:47
burnte.a is impressed10:47
* burnte is impressed10:48
yigalthanks for not responding I see it's all in the manual, I just have to look at bit further :)10:49
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: the first time I used tablet-encode, it cropped all of the subtitles out of my anime >_<10:57
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qwerty12Yeah, the cropping of tablet-encode sucks but there is a command line option for it not to crop.10:58
rm_you"remove parts of the video stream" should never be the default option for a video encoder <_<10:58
GeneralAntillesrm_you, use proper encoding options. :P10:58
rm_youI tried setting the option, but it still did odd things10:58
rm_youeventually i went in and removed parts of the code10:58
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rm_youso that it would function correctly10:59
burntewow, that's really impressive.624*352 video playing full screen with almost no lag11:01
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GeneralAntillesburnte, told you mplayer was good. ;)11:01
GeneralAntillesYou can get away with most reasonably sized *ahem* torrent vids.11:01
qwerty12I can vouch for that.11:02
GeneralAntillesAs long as you're willing to put up with a little framedrop in the action scenes.11:02
GeneralAntillesI pretty much don't re-encode anymore.11:02
burnteGeneralAntilles: no idea wtf my problem was before then11:02
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burntemaybe something CPU heavy in the background11:02
GeneralAntillesh.264. ;)11:02
GeneralAntillesOr could be that.11:02
burntemaybe, lemme check that one11:02
GeneralAntillesIt's really quite a capable video player despite what the naysayers claim.11:03
burnteI'm a happy dreamhost customer, I'm used to ignoring moron naysayers.11:03
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burnteyeah, that 264/aac vid sucks in mplayer, but divx/xvid is slick as hell11:05
burntewhich means, pretty much everything else I own.11:05
burntevp6 flvs could be better. :)11:06
rm_youI call that VP6Evil11:07
burnteyeah, but vids from hulu are in that11:07
rm_youit didnt even used to play at all11:07
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ireeshas anyone gotten UPNP in Canola 2 working?11:14
befr0doops, me11:14
tank-manirees, i think i did11:15
ireesi can't find the package for gregale11:15
tank-manor was too slow11:15
befr0direes, I used mediatomb upnp server, I think GeneralAntilles recommended it to me11:16
tank-manim using mythtv11:16
ireesi have two upnp servers... mediatomb works with media streamer, medialink for OS X doesn't11:16
rm_youoo, now THAT would be awesome.... *had a thought*11:17
rm_youmedia-serv + upnp :)11:17
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ireesare the "hacker editions" worth using or complete rubbish? i want to use os2007 on my 77011:21
rm_youdefinitely use at least os2007HE11:21
rm_youi've heard os2008HE is slow :/11:21
ireesthere isn't a canola2-upnp for gregale11:21
ireesso i'll try 2007he11:21
rm_youbut i can't believe people are still using 200611:22
ireeswell, my friend at work bought the 770 with grant money a long time ago, and never used it.. just sat in his disk until i stole it11:22
rm_youwell, it's about time for people with 770s to actually do a hardware upgrade <_<11:23
irees$$$ :)11:23
rm_youyeah, but n800s are like $20011:23
rm_youpossibly less11:23
ireesif i was going to spend $200 i'd just get an iphone11:23
qwerty12Only thing about 770 that I like is that is uses a PREEMPT kernel :(11:23
rm_youwhat does that do?11:24
qwerty12Don't remember exactly but it can speed up video playback and sometimes helps it to play a video better than an N800. I compiled a PREEMPT N800 kernel but the N800 didn't like it and mce shut off my N800.11:25
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rm_youcan turn off watchdog...11:26
qwerty12Wasn't a watchdog problem :)11:26
rm_youhrm odd11:27
qwerty12Things like the Wlan driver refused to load etc11:28
rm_youanyways, n800s are like $150 - $175 on ebay11:28
qwerty12Hmm, if I'm uploading a package to extras, would I change the maintainer's name to my name?11:29
ireesooh pretty11:29
ireescan the n800/n810 charge over usdb?11:30
rm_younot without modifications11:30
burntewhich is a little diappointing...11:31
burntedisappointing, too.11:31
rm_youyeah :/11:31
qwerty12It seems to be an nokia standard :(. All the nokia's I've had use a seperate charger to the usb port.11:31
burntemaybe they just couldn't fit it in with all the awesome they stuck in it.11:31
lcuk_zzzget a usb->nokia charge socket.  it works.     but imagine if you HAD to use the usb slot to charge...  how would you charge up and use (for instance) a usb keyboard or hub?11:32
burnte"If we put in cirtuitry to charge from USB, it'll start leaking awesome everywhere, or worse, blow up."11:32
rm_youwell you can just bridge some things with a little bit of wire and solder... so it's easily possible >_>11:32
burnte"Can we remove some of the awesome to make room?"11:32
burnte"No sir, the only way to decrease wesome is to add suck."11:32
qwerty12My SE's though, do like to charge from usb though. Which is nice but they use a propitiatory port.11:32
qwerty12oops, seem to have spelt that wrong :/11:32
qwerty12Yeah, that's the word, thanks.11:33
lcuk_zzzSE's arent designed to do both at once.  the nokia can have devices on the usb whilst charging11:33
ireeshow do i select text to copy in the browser11:33
qwerty12lcuk_zzz, i dunno, my nokia phones cant.11:33
rm_youclick once and then again and drag11:33
rm_youhard to explain possibly11:33
lcuk_zzzoh yer, im awake..11:34
rm_youit's a little finicky11:34
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qwerty12heh, 'morning11:34
GAN800500mA isn't enough to charge a tablet quickly.11:34
lcukbut it is enough to charge it11:34
ireesmy blackberry charges over usb just fine11:34
GAN800besides, the usb is for connrecting peripherals, not charging. ;)11:35
lcukbut your blackberry is not a usb host11:35
glassit would be nice if it was possible to charge from both usb and charger plug11:35
glassit wouldn't need that much or that smart electronics to the usb side connector11:35
GAN800lcuk, not all the time though. 890mA isn't enough to cover the tablet's power requirements sometimes.11:36
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burnteI have my n810 hooked to a deisel generator. MORE POWER11:36
lcuki think the old charger i use downstairs is only 500ma11:36
burnteis there a way to overclock the CPU? :)11:37
ireesi overclocked the cpu on my phone once11:37
lcukyes, just run something that needs the power11:37
qwerty12irees, N-gage?11:37
GAN800Not unless you want to fry things.11:37
lcukit overclocks from 166mhz all the way upto 40011:37
ireesmy other phone, a samsung blackjack11:37
qwerty12Ah, I overclocked my N-gage once :)11:37
burnteqwerty12: So it sucked faster? :)11:38
qwerty12Hehe, I never used it for calling anyway, most of the numbers didn't work :P. Quite fun for games though.11:38
lcukburnte, why use dirty power.  just ask for an RTG in your nokia ( )11:38
burntelcuk: Nah, I jsut have this:
burntethe cool thing is that the radiation gives me a healthy glow, and the waste powers my fusion reactor.11:40
qwerty12X-Fade, ping11:40
lcukburnte, wouldn't you need a zero point gravity energy manipulator to carry that?11:41
lcukdamn, -gravity11:42
burntelcuk: No, your standard antigrav hand truck works fine, as long as you don't make any shart turns in 4 dimensions.11:42
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burntetime to put the n810 and myself in sleep mode11:44
lcuksleep well, and i hope neither of you suffer early battery drain11:44
lcuki think im goin back to bed as well11:45
lbthi lcuk: last night I caught "why are you removing it then using it". remove() isn't delete. It's a member function of the parent and just removes a (non-counted) pointer.11:48
lbtanyway - sleep well :)11:48
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JaffaMorning, all12:04
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: I was about to make the same revert of easyroot/becomeroot on 'Root_access' with a very similar comment :-)12:18
qwerty12You may want to add that easyroot has exactly the same functionalty as becomeroot. In a time where (stupidly) more people recommend becomeroot, users may get confused.12:19
* RST38h recommends ssh - being root from a remote computer with full sized kbd is SOOO much more satisfying...12:21
qwerty12""Public SSH keys" section of your garage account maintenance page. " - Ok, so I clicked the link. Where the F*** is the SSH section? Or does it only appear when I level up in the game?12:22
RST38hhave to kill the boss12:23
RST38hI guess the boss is x-fade12:23
rm_youqwerty12: when i had to change my key, X-Fade had to re-invite me >_>12:24
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qwerty12Do I have to wait for an invite before the SSH section is shown?12:24
lardmanGuten Morgen!12:24
qwerty12Lol, good morning :)12:24
rm_youGuten tag, lardman :)12:24
rm_youWie gehts?12:24
RST38hYep, the page that lets you change keys is only available by invitation12:24
lardmannot bad thanks, you?12:24
* rm_you has now used up all of the Deutsch he knows :P12:24
RST38hlardman moo12:24
lardmanRST38h: baaa12:24
qwerty12RST38h, rm_you : Ah, thanks.12:25
RST38hqwerty be prepared to ask for invitation multiple times12:25
rm_youvery bored >_> I'm just sitting watching anime <_<12:25
RST38hbecause entering keys does not work very well12:25
qwerty12I shall flood X-Fade's email. And then get killed by X-Fade.12:25
rm_youit would be helpful if the page gave examples of how they are supposed to be formatted12:26
RST38hwont help you12:26
RST38hlooks like the server is very picky about carriage returns including ones after the key12:27
RST38hget one of them wrong (and it is real easy with html form) - and the key does not work12:27
qwerty12Arrgh, thanks for the warning :/12:27
* RST38h isnt sure why guys cant just strip all control chars from entered data12:29
RST38hit is dead simple12:29
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qwerty12Seems like gpg doesn't like me: "Not enough random bytes available.  Please do some other work to give12:34
qwerty12the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 276 more bytes)12:34
qwerty12" - I've done a lot more and it seems to hang on me :)12:34
rm_youcan take several minutes sometimes :/12:35
qwerty12I guess it doesn't help that I'm doing it under andLinux :). I think I'll reparitition my hard disk for ubuntu (again!).12:36
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RST38hjust to generate a key*12:37
qwerty12Meh, I've been thinking about it for a while anyway. I miss Linux.12:38
* qwerty12 <3 tux12:38
rm_youfun read:
Jaffaqwerty12: contains a link to the *second* account mgmt page12:41
qwerty12That's where I went, but I think rm_you & RST38h got it, I need to wait for an invite (never tried uploading to extras-devel before)12:42
Jaffaqwerty12: have you applied for an invite?12:42
JaffaThere's a web form so you don't have to wait and grab X-Fade when he's online (again, link to that wiki page ;-))12:43
qwerty12Yes, I'm waiting for it. I thought the SSH section would have been independent to an invite :)12:43
lardmanrm_you: am reading and remembering now :)12:43
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RST38hThe path to extras submission should really be shortened. There is absolutely no need for invitation to enter ssh keys etc12:45
RST38hshould just be available from account settings12:46
melmothqwerty12: generate some dis activity, such as "find /"12:46
zapJaffa: the second page contains fields for enering your SSH and GPG keys12:47
* qwerty12 finds my dvd with partition magic on it and removes andlinux12:47
RST38hwell, I guess it is useless to complain, seeing how the process becomes more complicated with each iteration12:47
qwerty12melmoth, good idea, thanks12:47
zapJaffa: I couldn't find a way to open that page from garage12:47
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* qwerty12 looks forward to using tablet-encode again. Best encoder for the tablets I've ever used.12:48
RST38hused it once. it crashed consistently12:48
Jaffazap: Yes. For some reason it's a hidden link12:49
RST38hworked around the crash somehow (dont remember how), encoded at best quality setting, got crappy result12:49
RST38hback to mencoder now12:49
JaffaRST38h: A problem some people had with the GUI version has been fixed in v2.19.12:49
RST38hJaffa: that must have been it then.12:50
JaffaThe CLI version has never had any problems. But, thanks for the bug report12:50
RST38hJaffa: I guess you may want to add more presets though12:50
Jaffa(AFAIK, anyway)12:50
rm_youjust use 770-encode, it doesn't have a GUI to mess things up :)12:50
RST38hmencoder works just as well12:51
rm_youyeah, cause that's what 770-encode / tablet-encode use12:51
* Jaffa doesn't want to overcomplicate things with too many presets, 5 or so is the right number, and tweaking those to be the best possible is ideal. Anyway, you can add new presets trivially yourself in a separate config file.12:51
RST38hI can just as well use mencoder though12:51
JaffaRST38h: I'd be interested to see your mencoder settings since there's no reason tablet-encode shouldn't be as good or better (since it can do a lot of the calculations for you)12:52
qwerty12Arg, I can't find my Ubuntu 8.10 CD. Instead I found Kubuntu 6.10 >.<12:52
qwerty12Oops, 8.0412:53
Jaffaqwerty12: Ubuntu 8.10 won't be released until October, so you'll probably not have a CD for it yet ;-)12:53
qwerty12Hehe, it was a typo. a typo I tell you!12:53
RST38hJaffa: what calculations? I just tell it the desired birate, thats all12:53
GeneralAntillestablet-encode is a wrapper, change its presets.12:54
GeneralAntillesBam, done.12:54
JaffaRST38h: what if you want to scale it to maximise the bitrate per pixel? What if the source audio doesn't need transcoding? What if the source *video* doesn't need transcoding? What if you want to do 2-pass? What if you want to do a number of videos simultaneously?12:54
JaffaOoh, and more (related to DVD ripping): what if you want to rip a film off a DVD and need to know the track to rip? What if the DVD's default language isn't the one you want? What if you want to rip a DVD of TV episodes, but none of the extra features?12:58
RST38hJaffa: I am stupid and just want it to play:)12:59
JaffaRST38h: That's fine :)13:00
RST38hNo dvd drive in my laptop, just one cpu core13:00
Jaffarm_you: tablet-encode is so much better than 770-encode now, it's untrue (IMNHSO ;-))13:00
RST38hSo all these wonderful options are kinda useless for me13:00
GAN800rm_you, don't use the gui. problem solved. :eyeroll:13:01
rm_youyeah, it just does way TOO much (especially things that are just... evil... like auto-cropping)13:01
JaffaI disagree, unless all the videos you ever transcode are a good resolution for the tablet but super-high bitrate, you'll be getting sub-optimal results.13:01
rm_youit does a decent job once you figure out the right options13:01
Jaffarm_you: feh, 770-encode's optimisation algorithm is the same as tablet-encodes, and there's -o as GAN800 says.13:02
rm_youbut in no way should *removing parts of the video stream* be a default13:02
JaffaThen you add it to your ~/.tablet-encode.conf so it's always used.13:02
rm_youoh, i cut out most of that manually... it was doing very odd things13:02
* GAN800 pokes the irrational people with a sharpened stick.13:03
rm_youmy custom version of 770-encode is pretty much just mencoder batch processor13:03
rm_youand remembers my presets13:03
Jaffatablet-encode does that too13:03
rm_youGAN800: yeah, and you saw how good the videos it produced are13:03
RST38hnot a good idea to poke irrational people13:03
rm_youyeah, and it does all kinds of stuff "automatically", because it thinks it is smarter than I am >_>13:04
GAN800I do it all the time, RST38h. :P13:04
rm_youi dont mind using it once I chopped out all of the automatic changes it was doing without asking me13:04
RST38hand no physical injury so far?13:04
Jaffarm_you: if there's a single thing your 770-encode hacked version does that tablet-encode can't do through setting up a config file, I'll add it this weekend - FREE OF CHARGE!13:04
rm_youi liked 770-encode, because it was optional :P13:04
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Jaffarm_you: and it's still optional in tablet-encode! There's no difference in the fundamentals between them except the name. It just got renamed, everything else is still the same - and optional. Just more so.13:05
rm_youJaffa: don't really know what it does EXTRA... i basically just REMOVED a lot of stuff it was doing <_<13:05
GAN800Jaffa, there's no arguing with irrationality. :P13:06
rm_youJaffa: cropping / aspect ratio changes should never be default.13:06
rm_youyes, i realize it is an option13:06
Jaffarm_you: indeed. I'm just saying that with the latest version you don't need to remove anything. You can change the defaults through a config file.13:06
rm_youso have it be an option to crop / change aspect ratio13:06
RST38hrm-you is right13:06
RST38hshouldnt maim image unless specifically asked to13:07
rm_youlike, in 770-encode, a lot of the stuff that is now default was in "-experimental"13:07
Jaffarm_you: and I disagree given the tablet's screen constraints.13:07
GAN800Cropping is evil.13:07
rm_youremoving portions of the video is NEVER ok13:07
Jaffarm_you: no it's not. Most of what was in -experimental was removed cos it exposed bugs in mencoder.13:07
RST38hwhat constraints? 800x480 is not constrained13:07
RST38h320x240 is13:08
JaffaRST38h: no, but ~4" is.13:08
qwerty12RST38h, or if you were like me and used to watch them on a W810, 176x144 >.< :P13:08
RST38hqwerty: I would buy a new phone.13:08
RST38hJaffa: oh you mean physical size13:09
qwerty12Hehe, I got n80 :). But I use my tablet now to watch vids.13:09
RST38hn80 is almost as good as e70=)13:09
RST38hJaffa: well just look from closer distance13:10
rm_youJaffa: if you think cropping video is ok, you are definitely in the minority <_<13:10
rm_youand it is fine to provide the option13:10
GAN800Cropping is evil.13:10
* qwerty12 goes into the majority of people who do not like cropping. I think tablet-encode makes a perfectly good video file without cropping.13:10
RST38hbenq tv does an interesting operation13:11
rm_youwhen i switched from 770-encode to tablet-encode, i lost the subtitles on like three series of anime before i realized what it was doing13:11
RST38hit stretches but does so unequally13:11
GAN800"This film has been formatted to better fit your TV." <- EVIL13:11
rm_youbecause the default functionality switched to cropping insanity13:11
rm_youthat is probably why i am still so annoyed with it13:11
RST38hcenter of the frame stays unchanged but there is gradually more stretching toward left right edges13:12
GAN800RST38h, lot of HDTVs do that. Makes me dizzy.13:12
JaffaSigh. I don't think cropping video is "ok". I think the tablets are a special case. I've done actual usability studies on tablet-encode and - shock - the *majority* of dumb users are dumb. And like having the default do the best thing for watching what they watch on a tablet. Power users and videoophiles who don't mind watching pillarboxes on a 4" screen can change the default behaviour, or override it on a per-video basis. 4" screens are not the same as 32"13:12
rm_youthat sounds... odd13:12
rm_youbut might work13:12
RST38hga: it does, when camera rotates inside a room13:12
Jaffarm_you: that's not unique to that telly, loads of them do it and it's fairly crap.13:12
RST38hga: but in most otther cases it works relatively well13:12
GAN800RSt38h, I'm a purist about that stuff. Hate it. ;)13:13
rm_youi would like to see that at least once... though it is probably a horrible idea, reallu13:13
Jaffarm_you: I'll say it again: 770-ENCODE HAS ALWAYS HAD THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY BY DEFAULT. You do realise tablet-encode is just a name changed version of 770-encode, right?13:13
rm_youJaffa: yes13:13
RST38hwell, benq also leaves the original option available13:13
GAN800My 30" Sharp from 2003 did it.13:13
rm_youI was very excited about the upgrade at first13:14
rm_youand no, 770-encode never auto-cropped my videos13:14
Jaffarm_you: your hacked version might not have, but the original version did.13:14
GAN800Problem solved.13:14
rm_youyes GA, -o.13:15
JaffaTrust me, I wrote it. I've got the source here. I can trace the lines of code all the way back to the original version.13:15
rm_youYes, I know you did :)13:15
rm_youAnd I really love 770-encode, so thank you :)13:15
rm_youI posted a few times with suggestions back then, and i think you did a very excellent job with most of it13:16
RST38hJaffa: maybe you can add a giant image of n810 with a preview video so that users can preview how it will look?13:17
rm_youand there's no way that everyone can agree on exactly how certain things should be done13:17
qwerty12RST38h, Boo, N80013:17
RST38hthis way you can add more ui options without compromising simplicity13:17
rm_youI just don't think that it is a good idea to do destructive operations by default. ESPECIALLY with "dumb users" in mind13:17
RST38hqwerty: gone now :)13:17
qwerty12>.< :P13:17
qwerty12Anyway, gtg (partition magic awaits :)). Bye :)13:18
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JaffaRST38h: One of the other video encoders does that - and surrounds it with loads of intimidating and complicated looking options. It looks cheap & nasty IMHO. A Handbrake-style preview in the GUI version would be fine. In fact, the earlier versions of Handbrake is an ideal form of GUI; especially with customised cropping.13:18
RST38hhavent seen it13:18
RST38hbut there is no need to add lots of cheap options13:19
RST38hjust a few with good explanations will do the job:13:19
RST38h1. Crop video so that it better fits the screen (may lose some features)13:19
RST38h2. Stretch video to better fit the screen (may distort some features)13:20
JaffaAbsolutely agreed 100%. As I say, the GUI is currently very basic and you can't even edit the options. I'd even be very happy to make the GUI version default to '-o' because you can give clear examples etc.13:20
rm_you0. Leave video aspect the hell alone.13:21
RST38h3. Keep video intact (may add black edges)13:21
JaffaEven mockups of a better GUI, rather than an implementation, would be very much appreciated. (I can recommend Pencil for such tasks: )13:21
GAN800rm_you, the brightness updates got really slow. I just locked it up for about 15 seconds with queued updates. . . .13:21
rm_youGAN800: >_> what were you doing to it?13:22
rm_youGAN800: have you tried "Pencil"?13:22
GAN800Yeah, needs hildon widgets.13:22
RST38hjaffa: I can mock it up if this is what you want13:22
rm_youGAN800: couldn't you fake it?13:22
GAN800Tap the brightness slider a few times in rapid succession.13:23
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GAN800Easier to just use Photoshop if I'm trying to fake it.13:23
RST38hmay need a few days though as I am abroad13:23
JaffaRST38h: that'd be very much appreciated. A simple, easy-to-understand, but flexible GUI is definitely something I'd like; but haven't got the time to think about (let alone implement). Having someone else do the design might prompt me to do the implementation13:23
RST38hare you using c/gtk?13:23
rm_youGAN800: yeah, i see it... this is why i used the other type of bar (HildonControlbar)... it had a feature that the volume bars don't have, which is only changing once the user stops movin git13:24
rm_youis it Perl/TK?13:24
JaffaRST38h: Perl/GTK13:24
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GAN800rm_you, now that the whole applet is wider, it'd probably work better without the overlapping squares.13:26
GeneralAntillesThe +\- soft buttons on the the brightness slider really need to be either configurable or changed to 1-unit increments.13:29
rm_youI will look into that13:29
rm_youI agree13:29
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rm_youanyway, if i don't put it back as a controlbar, I can at least implement something similar to what I did with the volume beep, to make it change less often...13:32
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MM79hi all, tried to upgrade to diablo14:31
MM79Suitable USB device not found, waiting14:32
MM79USB device found found at bus 003, device address 00414:32
MM79Found device RX-44, hardware revision 080514:32
MM79NOLO version 1.1.1614:32
MM79Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR014:32
MM79Sending xloader image (9 kB)...14:32
MM79100% (9 of 9 kB, avg. 500 kB/s)14:32
MM79Sending secondary image (98 kB)...14:32
MM79100% (98 of 98 kB, avg. 4684 kB/s)14:32
MM79Flashing bootloader... done.14:32
MM79Sending kernel image (1500 kB)...14:32
MM79100% (1500 of 1500 kB, avg. 10873 kB/s)14:32
MM79Flashing kernel... done.14:32
MM79Sending initfs image (2233 kB)...14:32
MM79100% (2233 of 2233 kB, avg. 11394 kB/s)14:32
MM79Flashing initfs... done.14:32
MM79Sending and flashing rootfs image (122112 kB)...14:32
MM79100% (122112 of 122112 kB, avg. 47755 kB/s)14:32
MM79Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed: Protocol error14:32
MM79what is the problem here14:32
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lardmanMM79: I think you should be ok14:52
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lardmanhave a nice weekend chaps15:02
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lcuklbt, it just looked wrong, i havent been sleeping - nice to relax and read15:14
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crashanddieYo Maemo15:29
crashanddiehi lopz15:30
lopzheya crashanddie !15:30
crashanddiehey lcuk15:30
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MM79lardman: N810 is not booting. shows only first few pixels of green loading bar then stops15:43
RST38hloading bar is blue.15:45
MM79it used to be,  but it is a very small peace.15:47
MM79so it should be blue still :) hmmm15:48
RST38hyou are using custom kernel?15:48
MM79no download from nokia site15:49
MM79dont get the bar anymore15:49
MM79only the white nokia screen15:49
lcuk:D heh, bonus i just found £20 in my jeans15:49
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RST38hthats whopping $40 nowadays15:51
RST38hor just rur100015:51
lcukits my money anyway but always good to find unexpected money15:51
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RST38hmm79: my guess is, flashing it was unsuccessful15:52
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MM79no kidding :), now what15:54
RST38hwell, reflash15:56
RST38hconnect to windoze machine via usb, power down, power up with swap button pressed15:57
RST38hwhen it goes into recovery mode run windoze flashing program15:57
MM79I have no windows at the moment, will try at my parents, thanks15:57
RST38hfollow all instructions, DO NOT POWER DOWN UNTIL FINISHED15:58
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lcukRST38h, hows the repo business goin16:06
RST38hlcuk: no idea. will have to check when I get back from .lt16:09
RST38hmay try it before that, but not very optimistic on it16:09
lcukyou in lithuania?16:10
RST38hin addition to all the repo trouble, sb2 still does not have diablo bootstrap16:10
lcukcool, you meeting with other devs there or just havin a holiday16:10
RST38hvacation, with my family16:11
lcukexcellent, im not allowed internet when on holiday :)16:11
RST38hthey keep me pretty busy though, so unless anyone wants to drop by Palanga to have some tea...16:11
* RST38h isnt asking permission16:12
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RST38hNo internet? well, no calling home then!16:12
lcuki spend so much time faffing a holiday is a break from all that16:12
lcuki almost got in trouble this year when it was discovered i had an IDE on my nokia :D16:13
RST38hI have got two kids. WORK is a break from that, as far as I am concerned16:13
lcuksame here, ive got the smallest pushing me to play whilst im talking now..16:13
lcukwe have puzzlefarter on :D16:14
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RST38hlcuk: I now see why you develop on the tablet :)16:16
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lcukwell i dont have big computer all the time and the tablet *is* capable enough to16:17
lcukits just frustrating that the ide speed is not upto where i want it - hence the editor seedling in liqbase.  i would like to have my cake and eat it too16:17
RST38hI develop on a subnotebook - have been using them for years now16:17
lcuki think ill be grabbing one of the elonex machines when they become avalbelai16:18
RST38hlcuk: btw one use for liqbase would be a superfast full screen terminal16:18
lcukeven if its just for the kids16:18
lcuktheres lots of uses for it16:18
RST38hno need for an editor this way - you can use any console based editor or ide16:18
lcukbut console based editors are page based16:19
lcukthey dont show me a 4000 line document in a floating screen with scrollbars16:19
lcukthey show me a single page16:19
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lcuki *did* think about doing irc in it16:19
lcukscrollback would rule16:19
RST38hyes, but this way you wont need to write your own - writing a good editor is hard16:19
rm_youlcuk: present yourself to the apps as ridiculously huge?16:20
rm_youthen they would show you one 999999999 line page?16:20
RST38hrmyou - is right16:20
lcukim actively looking at writing the baseline stuff to interface a widgetset16:20
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RST38hlcuk: gtk?16:20
lcukwhichever looks easiest when i get time, but yer it wouldnt be unfeasible16:21
RST38hwait there is some kind of fb based x11 implemented as a library - maybe use that?16:21
lcukat least for a proof of concept - i doubt i could get something under x11 easily, but a widget set might be doable16:21
RST38hI kind of suspect gtk is the REASON for poor performance not its victim16:22
lcukby the way, a SUPER speedboost would be simplest for our tablets if i did make x11 greyscale16:22
RST38hwould suck16:22
lcukdepends if you are colorblind of not ;)16:23
RST38hwould suck still16:23
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RST38ha lot of colors will end up being the same even for color blind guys16:23
lcuksuck? howso - it would be fullspeed and linux/x11 core approves of greyscale framebuffers16:23
RST38hyou want to do 8bpp grayscale?16:24
Stskeepsdepends on if it would have power savings to be greyscale and it is a -very- noticable performance change :P16:24
lcukStskeeps, have you seen liqbase16:24
lcukthere is a VERY noticable performance increase16:24
Stskeepslcuk: not yet, i've seen the video though16:24
Stskeepsbeen playing too much with nit debian16:24
lcukwell the framebuffer easily supports 800*480 25fps16:25
Stskeepslooks quite nice though16:25
lcukthe reason why i would suggest greyscale x11 over color is there are numerous problems converting RGB->YUV which are sidesteeped by just using grey16:26
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lcukits jsut an idea though, that would boost ALL apps on the device16:27
* RST38h has to transition from gtkimage to framebuffer16:27
Stskeepslcuk: tried doing xomap with greyscale though?16:28
lcukRST38h, i started with the omapfb framebuffer, but now a few months after changing to Xv i am glad because it means I can take the code and use it on other machines16:28
Stskeeps / yuv16:28
lcukif i had done it on omapfb it would be locked to the device16:28
RST38hyuv is ok with me16:29
RST38hnot with vgba though16:29
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lcukStskeeps, i havent really looked at xomap, should i be16:29
lcukRST38h, the more i use yuv the more i like it16:30
Stskeepslcuk: no clue.. just wondering if it would be possible to make a interface based on those things, but i'm just babbling :)16:30
lcukbabble away, without discussion things wont change16:31
lcukive found a decent enough route to quick graphics and want to share the love with the rest of the ecosystem :)16:31
Stskeepsubuntu mobile in greyscale? *ducks*16:32
lcukno, but liqbase sketching and other stuff in fullcolor yuv sounds nice16:32
lcukbut i cant talk about things like that for now ;)16:32
crashanddieI'm out16:33
lcukespecially not in relation to other devices16:33
crashanddiecoffee, buying cigarettes, all that16:33
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lcuklol crashanddie enjoy the rush16:33
Stskeepsoh. cig. *goes out on his terrace*16:33
crashanddierush ?16:33
lcuksmoking after so long16:33
crashanddieI had a pipe16:33
lcuk"its always worse when you are forced to do it"    <<<     forced to stop smoking16:33
crashanddieand a tiny bit of tobacco left16:34
crashanddieso I smoked a whole cig in about 2 seconds, and I was "high"16:34
lcuk<lcuk> lol crashanddie enjoy the rush   <<<<<16:34
crashanddieshould do it more often, lol16:34
crashanddieaye, I got it :P16:35
lcukright, time to code :)16:35
crashanddieI got France's map !16:35
* lcuk tosses a coin: liqwww.c or liqgame.c16:35
lcuk:D excellent16:35
Stskeepsgame is prolly more fun16:36
Stskeepsbut fast www rendering could be interesting too16:37
lcukgame is my generic testbed for ideas - it is where i spin out ideas from16:37
lcukStskeeps, yes, its been in my mind for a while - ive been looking for a simple html parser/layout engine to confirm proof of concept16:38
lcuksince nothing "simple" is around i started to write my own16:38
lcukonce i show it can be done someone will nodoubt say "hmmm theres another library that can do that"16:38
lcukand use that instead and we get super web16:39
Jaffalcuk: take a look at Netsurf16:39
JaffaSimple, reusable, embeddable CSS-supporting browser (no DOM or JavaScript) with pluggable front-ends (RISC OS and Gtk+ supported ATM)16:39
lcukjust grabbed it now, if it looks ok ill see about pluggign it in, but if i have to spend weeks learning the library i havent got time16:40
lcukthanks jaffa16:40
JaffaWriting your own HTML renderer from scratch - for anything other than simple renderings will almost certainly be a lot of wasted time & effort.16:41
lcukthe renderer is putting text and lines and pictures in the right palce16:41
lcukthe layout engine is the difficult part16:41
lcukim only thinking simple stuff anyway for the book reader16:42
JaffaFair enough.16:42
RST38hlcuk: yuv actually has problems16:42
lcukoh noes, what problems16:42
RST38hsevere problems with standard definition16:42
lcukwhat do you mean16:43
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RST38hif you look at ccir yuv standard (used for digital signal transmission to lcds, tv encoders etc)16:43
RST38hyou will see that some component values are prohibited16:44
RST38hlike they span to 248 only or something similar16:44
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RST38hthis usually causes uneven implementation by different vendors  - one guys yuv looks a bit different than others16:45
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RST38hand it is real easy to screw up when you convert from rgb and there is a rounding error16:46
lcukand?  i dont think we have ever had perfect color reproduction between many systems anyway have we for a long time16:46
RST38hrgb is pretty portable16:46
lcuknot really, rgb0,0,0 is not guaranteed to be black on all systems16:47
RST38hit is yuv and hsv that cause most problems16:47
RST38hwell, if you mean lcds, yes16:47
RST38hbut this lcd related crap is unavoidable when you hardware uses backlight16:47
lcukin otherwords, whatever rounding errors there may be with a conversion between RGB and YUV wont make that much difference16:48
ShadowJK_Atleast in h264 there's a bit-exact spec on the (I)DCT now, hopefully the YUV colourspace is also well defined and not left up to the implementation :-)16:48
RST38hlcuk: oh they do16:48
lcuki mean: EVERY single jpeg you look at has been converted from RGB to YUV and back again - the file is stored as YUV16:48
RST38hlcuk: jpeg - yes16:48
RST38hbut look at video files16:49
lcukwhich are also yuv16:49
ShadowJK_It's not the same yuv :-)16:49
RST38hsee how much color they lose due to yuv color space truncation16:49
lcukAND?  i click red, i get red16:49
RST38hyou put in green - you get out faded green :16:49
lcuki want RGB(255,0,0) into YUV, its gonna still be pretty much red however badly i screwup a conversion16:50
lcuknot necessarily16:50
RST38hthat one will be fine16:50
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ShadowJK_The fun starts when you have one guy doing RGB(255,255,255) to Y 248, then the other guy does Y 248 -> RGB(248,248,248)...16:51
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RST38hanyways, yuv is not as evil as I may have made it look16:51
zaphehe, bluetooth headset:
lcukyour tablet brightness might be down more than mine - the green would be darker on yours than mine: human eyes cope with variation quite well and as long as its not glaringly obviously wrong people wont care16:51
RST38hbut you have to be VERY careful with it16:51
rm_yourounding errors!? pft, the worst that could cause is +/- one color value per translation....16:51
lcuklol RST38h :D i like that comment16:51
RST38hrm/you: not exactly , not with yuv16:52
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rm_youRGB 125,157,34 might end up something like 124,158,33 >_>16:52
ShadowJK_I've seen TV set-top boxes do it right on SCART, wrong on HDMI (presumably the TV fucked it up in that case)...16:52
lcukit will still be in the ballpark: the fun comes if you switch the chroma channels16:52
rm_youif you translate 4 times, it could get off up to +/- 4... but it could also average out the errors...16:52
RST38hsjk <- essentially right16:53
lcuki understand theres lots of stuff, but im not going for perfection :)16:53
Stskeepswb johnx16:53
ShadowJK_Oh oops, the range was 16 - 235 :-)16:53
lcukyer, and NTSC is a different range to PAL16:53
RST38hand god prohibit you from going under 1616:53
RST38hcause some tvs will take it as blanking signal and go nuts16:54
rm_youi can barely distinguish the difference if a color value is off by like 3 units, especially if it's in video (moving around with a bunch of other colors)....16:54
RST38hNTSC = Never The Same Color16:54
johnxhey Stskeeps :D16:54
RST38huses HSV16:54
rm_youjohnx: yeah, why have you been away again? :P16:55
lcukbut SURELY the clipping and scaling would be done from the digital->analog convertor box before it goes on the wire.  i mean i can tell it to show RGB(0,0,0) and rgb(255,255,255) and it knows to clip it16:55
RST38hencodes most sensitive component (H) in the most error prone way16:55
johnxrm_you, you mean, like not online for the last 12 hours? :P16:55
rm_youjohnx: haven't seen you on irc in days <_< maybe i've just been sleeping at the wrong times16:55
RST38hlcuk: a lot of embedded devices work directly with yuv no rgb there16:56
rm_youi did sleep for 16 hours... that was nice16:56
rm_youyeah :P16:56
rm_youi pasted that earlier16:56
lcukgood :P16:56
rm_youima start doing that16:56
lcukRST38h, cool16:56
lcuki spent a long time in the mid atlantic16:56
rm_youmay have to code up an app on my n800 that will tell me which timezone i'm waking up in :)16:57
lcukanyway, back later - thers code to be done16:57
RST38hactually sucks a lot trying to get right colors on all different tvs16:57
ShadowJK_lcuk, the issue is with the thing that does YUV->RGB, either the TV doing it itself when eating HDMI, for example, or a software converter in a computer or a hardware convert in a computer... If it's expecting full range YUV and it gets Video YUV range instead (16...235), then the RGB range will also fall inside 16...235 instead of 0...25516:57
RST38hI had to use an ancient but color perfect sony trinitron to debug16:57
Stskeepsjohnx: installer now with cfdisk partitioner and mkfs if the user so wishes it16:58
ShadowJK_It's not even possible with all device combinations either. Some digital set top boxes put out rgb in the smaller range, and output nice yuv over hdmi, but your TV in turn decides to mess up the conversion :-)16:58
ShadowJK_most people don't notice though16:58
johnxStskeeps, and again with the rocking!16:59
Stskeepsjohnx: and bme-dbus-proxy was dpkg-repack'able, so we have that too now16:59
lcukthats down to conjiguration of the tv:  if that occurs doesnt it make sense to be able to say "data over X Wire is (full/clipped),   data over Y Wire is (full/clipped)"16:59
Stskeepsjohnx: next step is prolly porting "powered" from powerlaunch so we have something that speaks DSME17:00
johnxStskeeps, ah, cool. I didn't even look at the dbus stuff. It seemed a little out of my depth17:00
rm_youexactly the key there... MOST PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE....17:00
johnxStskeeps, that makes sense17:00
rm_youit's barely noticable!17:00
ShadowJK_lcuk, yes but most TVs don't have such features, they call it "user friendly" to not present tunables to users :-)17:00
ShadowJK_I wouldn't call it clipped anyway17:00
* lcuk doesnt even know why this was brought up in the first place - yuv works great for me17:00
ShadowJK_The yuv scaler on N810 probably has no tunable either? :-)17:01
lcukit just isnt practical without IVA help to do rgb/yuv conversions17:01
lcukit has no seperate input17:01
lcukit uses full range17:02
lcukif it had another input which supplied full or clipped broadcast range then it SHOULD be an option17:02
RST38hlcuk: it is practical17:02
* lcuk can happily supply YUV values in the whole 24bit range17:02
RST38hlcuk: just have to use lookup table :)17:03
lcukits practical if you want slow graphics17:03
lcukgo see itT - theres a long discussion there17:03
ShadowJK_I would have expected it to be designed for video, hence that it would clip the output if you fed it yuv in the full 0...255 range :-)17:03
RST38hwell, not saying you have to do it of course but it is doable17:03
lcukShadowJK_, why would you expect that?  its an embedded device with no video input17:04
ShadowJK_lcdd, because the primary use of it would be to accelerate playback of video?17:04
RST38hsjk: naah, omap usually drives an lcd so no reason to limit it there17:04
RST38hit does have video output though17:05
ShadowJK_yes it drives an LCD, which eats RGB, not YUV17:05
lcukno it doesnt17:05
lcukit has native yuv inputs17:05
RST38hsjk: wrong17:05
lcuki give it a YUV framebuffer17:05
RST38hsjk: a lot of lcds now accept yuv not rgb17:05
lcukit reduces the bandwidth problems17:05
lcukthe video data framebuffer mode is configurable17:06
RST38hsjk: you literally feed them ccir565 stream17:06
ShadowJK_Ah right17:06
ShadowJK_So then it's perfect for playback of video17:06
lcukany conversion is inside the epson lcd chip17:06
RST38hsjk: I know it is weird but true17:06
ShadowJK_RST38h, no it makes perfect sense :-)17:06
RST38hhere is a slightly offtopic fact to woder about though:17:07
RST38hlet us say you convert rgb555 to rgb565 or rgb88817:08
RST38hwhich way is faster on arm: lookup or computation?17:08
lcukdepends where your LUT is - if its standard sdram i would guess bitshifting, but if you got the LUT into the on OMAP2420 5mb buffer then undeterminate.17:09
jottStskeeps: ugh, i did not realize powerlaunch has dsme code... that would have saved me some time :/17:10
lcukfor RGB actual 32bitpixels contigious then the lookup will be pretty quick.  but if its planar (as the YUV is) it takes a lookup, plus shifting to get the bytes then writing to 3 seperate memory locations as char817:10
Stskeepsjott: it has reverse engineered dsme code atleast17:11
lcukwhich would be slow whichever way you looked at it17:11
jottStskeeps: yeah i have done the same ;)17:11
jott(for setting the brightness)17:11
RST38hlcuk: bitshifting always17:12
RST38hlcuk: cause missing a cache line is a bitch17:13
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RST38hand with 64kb lookup table you are gonna do it all the time17:13
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lcukdepends just what you have to mask and shift and read and write, but i do tend to agree.  it wouldnt matter anyway, cos on the iva or dsp a lookup wouldnt be considered17:14
RST38hof course if you are using 1-clock sram....but that would be too expensive17:14
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* crashanddie lights a lcuky strike :D17:22
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lcukcrashanddie, :) without reading all the comments - that sits with what we were discussing the other night17:39
crashanddieyup, it does17:40
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lcuk:D heh I've been known to send such samples back with "Your first buffer overflow is on line 42. Thank you for your interest." I couldn't afford to deal with sloppy coders in a hard real time environment.17:43
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crashanddieI love the first comment on that17:58
crashanddie"You sir are an asshole"17:58
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lcukcrashanddie,  thats miles down the page18:02
crashanddielcuk, wut ?18:02
lcuklol its ok18:03
lcukthats the response ot the snip i put18:03
lcuknot the first comment in the article18:03
crashanddielcuk, when I read the comments, the first comment on the guy buffer overflow on line 42, well the first comment on that was "you sir are an asshole"18:03
crashanddiethat sentence didn't make much sense18:03
lcukyou're quoting slashdot, nothing will make sense18:04
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lcuknow, is there somewhere that ican find a list of what i should put into my depends line in my control file based on the library18:04
crashanddiefor the buildage18:05
rm_youi love the comment about what to wear to an interview based on OS :P18:05
lcukor do i just use the same identifier i used for linking18:05
rm_youmost of that actually accurately describes what my friends wear day-to-day based on OS pref, myself included, lol18:05
crashanddierm_you, it's pretty nice, yeah18:05
crashanddielcuk, no, you use the debian/maemo package name18:05
lcukso, is there a map somewhere18:06
crashanddiea map ?18:06
lcukthis package is called this18:06
crashanddieapt-file I guess18:06
lcuki have my libes:   -lX11 -lXext -lXv -lXsp -lm `freetype-config --libs`      ill just go find out what each should be18:06
lcukwithout -lm of course ;)18:07
crashanddiedid dpkg /msg you ?18:07
lcukyes thanks i always miss them18:07
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crashanddieJaffa, when I use mud build apt-file, I don't get any .deb ?18:28
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crashanddiemud-builder fails :/18:34
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johnxthe build succeeded but you didn't get a deb in uploads?18:35
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crashanddie this is what I get18:37
* qwerty12 finally got ubuntu 8.04 again. I had to install ndiswrapper and piss around with the wifi drivers and then install 249 updates.18:37
crashanddielol qwerty1218:38
crashanddiesorry you have to use ndiswrapper though18:38
erstazidenny: can I PM you?18:38
crashanddiewhat wifi card ?18:38
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qwerty12Hehe, me too :(. It's some safecom one that uses a TI chipset.18:38
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dennyerstazi: I guess so - I'm quite busy though18:44
erstazidenny: I understand, I couldn't mention it in #freenode18:44
infobotcrashanddie meant: doubletest18:45
summatusmentisqwerty12: you've come back over, welcome18:46
qwerty12hehe, hello summatusmentis18:46
crashanddieqwerty12, no package injection for youuuuuuuuu18:46
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crashanddieif you manage to support packet injection with ndiswrapper18:47
crashanddieI guess you might just get a phone call from Nobel18:47
qwerty12lol, I don't think you can get any wifi card that supports package injection ;P18:48
crashanddieWhy isn't there a Nobel prize for Most Awesome Idea ever ?18:48
crashanddieoh, lol18:48
crashanddieyeah, sure you can18:48
crashanddiebit of ARP poisoning18:49
crashanddieand that card will accept any package I send :P18:49
Jaffacrashanddie: apt-get install devscripts inside scratchbox18:49
qwerty12crashanddie, :P18:49
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lcukany ideas how to solve this:
lcukim building package18:49
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qwerty12Sounds like busybox find sucks18:50
johnxmaybe get a real version of find and put in in the PATH temporarily18:50
johnxor hack up dh_clean18:50
crashanddieJaffa, <318:50
lcukcould i just cheat and remove the clean process from the package build step?18:50
erstaziman, I guess I need to get a n810 sometime... not many of yinz still have the nokia 770 like I do18:50
lcukcos rebuilding AGAIN takes an age18:51
Jaffacrashanddie: at some point once the changes at are finished, mud itself'll be in extras as a deb and you won't need to apt-get install xsltproc, devscripts and gnupg (although the last one isn't necessary until `mud upload' is implemented)18:51
johnxlcuk, yeah, I guess so, but you should replace it with code that cleans the build area18:51
qwerty12lcuk, yes, (i do that with big packages. took me ages to compile one, I ain't going through it again :P)18:51
qwerty12once even18:51
crashanddieJaffa, just include it in the docs :P18:51
lcukis that built into my package instructions though, or is that a default part of dpkg-build binary18:51
Jaffacrashanddie: will do :) Updating the website is on my TODO for this weekend18:52
* lcuk has many TODOs18:52
lcukFAR too many18:52
Italodanceguys my omweather only shows 5 days .....i have't thursday and friday why?18:53
qwerty12I'd make a busybox compatible full find for you but my scratchbox is installing :)18:53
jott why not use "-nc" with dpkg-buildpackage instead of hacking dh_clean?18:54
lcukok perfect18:54
lcukthanks jott :) once again your wisdom amazes me18:54
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jottlcuk: in your case you should still do a proper dh_clean replacement i guess18:55
jott(or make dh_clean work ;)18:55
jott-nc just ommits the cleaning step when building a package18:55
lcukits ok, this is very specific for this one package18:55
lcuki think i will be moving out of my little house soon enough, im gonna get a KVM and make the laptop available18:56
crashanddieItalodance, because it's configured to show 5 days ?18:56
jottItalodance: afair there is a setting for the number of days18:56
lcukor because it knows the world is gona end in 5 days18:56
crashanddieshit, is it that time of the world already ?18:56
crashanddieI haven't even packed my stuff18:56
* jott prepares his towel 18:57
crashanddiejott, is that some weird way of saying you're heading to a porn site ?18:57
jottna that i'm out for a beer :P18:57
lcukhg2g would be really nice fully packed onto our nokias18:57
crashanddiecopyright issues, as always18:58
lcuk:) i would pay18:59
jottlcuk: you could start by integrating a "don't panic" into your liqbase startup screen ;)18:59
lcukhaving all the animations and information18:59
crashanddieSad thing18:59
lcukthat is such a wicked idea18:59
crashanddieevery answer on IRC would end up being 4218:59
crashanddie"How do I use PAN?"18:59
lcukget your speech thing sorted, we can talk to the book18:59
lcukwho wants a brew/19:00
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crashanddiea brew ?19:00
crashanddiea .deb ?19:00
qwerty12brb, scratchbox wants me to log out >.<19:00
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crashanddiewhat the ?19:00
crashanddieHe's running IRC in scratchbox ?19:00
crashanddielcuk, not for me, thanks19:01
JaffaNo, post-install you need to log out to get the new 'sbox' group19:01
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Jaffalcuk: just had one :)19:01
jottor just ssh to localhost ;)19:01
crashanddieor su yourusername19:02
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jottor "X :1" :P19:02
crashanddieJaffa, did you ever try to mud gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ? :P19:03
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lcukpackage is running my build process19:06
lcuk:O even19:06
crashanddiepackage ?19:06
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crashanddiefound an old log on ##c++19:07
crashanddie"I'm trying to wrap my head around C++... And did it give me a headache"19:07
crashanddie"Always hurts the first time, don't worry, you'll end up enjoying it"19:07
qwerty122nd comment got me :P19:08
lcukive felt that way since day 1: i should have gone down linux route years ago and i wouldnt feel like i do now19:08
lcukbut at the time, the only linux i saw was a console install of some debian19:08
qwerty12Anyone know if there is a program for linux that basically does what windows does when you click in the middle mouse button?19:09
qwerty12(brings up that arrow thing where I can scroll up and down etc)19:09
crashanddiewhat does Windows do when you click the middle mouse button ?19:09
lcukwhat does windows do when you middle click19:09
crashanddiethat's a mouse feature IIRC19:09
crashanddienot OS19:09
lcukthats a feature of the scrolling widget that the mouse is under19:09
lcukisnt it?19:09
crashanddiethe linux middle-mouse-button is way better :P19:10
lcukor does it come from the driver19:10
crashanddielcuk, I thought it was the driver19:10
lcukyes, giving the middle finger to linux is way better19:10
qwerty12boo lcuk19:10
lcuki just rememebered yeah it is - at work some git has got a stupid mouse driver that does different shit19:10
crashanddieone click paste == win19:10
lcuknot really if you randomly click middle mouse button all day long knowing it doesnt destroy your source19:11
qwerty12lcuk, intellipoint? (it worked with my generic hp mouse)19:11
lcukthen do it once in linux and realise when you compile later you have pasted in a load of shit19:11
crashanddielcuk, the new mouse I got19:11
lcukno qwerty12 he has some real shit driver which tries to be like a star trek command chair when you middle click19:11
crashanddielcuk, well... The scroll wheel is a bit edgy19:11
crashanddieso everytime I scroll up, i paste shit in my source code...19:11
* qwerty12 retches after reading lcuk's comment19:12
crashanddieAwesome when compiling... "How the fuck did that get there"19:12
lcuklinux middle click paste FAIL!19:12
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crashanddieit's awesome when you have the right mouse :P19:12
crashanddieMy mx1000 was awesome that way19:12
lcuki had that a couple of times it annoyed the feck out of me - yet another reason why i dont like vmware19:12
crashanddierest in pieces old mouse19:12
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qwerty12vmware sucks19:13
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qwerty12I hate controlling that shit.19:13
lcukok, i called it with dpkg-buildpackage -nc19:13
lcukit still failed, but it built everything, lemme paste it19:13
MangoFusionif you think vmware sucks, then you've obviously not used Parallels Desktop19:13
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qwerty12Well, I've never had a mac ;P19:14
lcukhmmmm its at make install stage19:15
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qwerty12It's running dh_clean again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution.19:15
qwerty12s/It's running dh_clean again/It's running find again/19:16
infobotqwerty12 meant: It's running find again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution.19:16
jottyeah i guess installing a gnu find or patching dh_clean19:16
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jottor both :)19:16
lcukbut i think it ignored the error, the final line this time19:16
lcukmake: *** [install] Error 119:17
lcuklast time it failed at [clean] stage19:17
qwerty12But it still doesn't make the deb when a process fails.19:17
* lcuk copies folder into vmware and sees what happens19:17
qwerty12It will work in vmware (hopefully) because that POS busybox won't be found on there :)19:18
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lcukbut i tohught vmware was a mirror of the actual env19:18
lcukor rather scratchbox19:18
qwerty12But scratchbox uses a full find.19:19
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lcukwell it builds faster on my big pc but it still has errors19:23
* lcuk for once wishes he had installshield for this machine19:24
* lcuk ducks19:24
qwerty12installshield for a deb package?!? >.<19:24
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qwerty12Anyways, my scratchbox is alive so if you want a full find, let me know.19:26
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lcukbut how will i replace the one in busybox?19:28
qwerty12I just use a bit of postinst magic19:28
lcukthen young harry potter.  work your magic please :)19:29
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jottlcuk: you could put a gnu find name gfind in /usr/local/bin19:30
jottand change dh_clean to use gfind19:30
jottthat would not affect things that might rely on the busybox find19:30
qwerty12jott's got a point actually.19:30
Veggenbusybox things should not be inconsistent with full versions, usually?19:31
VeggenJust lacks some features?19:31
jott"usually" :)19:31
Veggenimho, busybox is broken if they are ;)19:31
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jottyeah well define "full version"...19:32
jottgnu proprietary extensions? ;)19:32
jottor changes19:32
jottanyway, in general it *should* be safe to replace a busybox tool with a gnu one19:33
* qwerty12 rmmod's pcspkr before I end up getting a crowbar to my computer out of insanity.19:33
lcukok jott, im in dh_clean now, you think replace the single instance of "complex_doit("find . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ............."     with "complex_doit("dfind . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ........."19:33
jottotoh it's always safer to just leave it..19:33
Veggenhmmf. You're right. this isn't that easy ;) Normally, I'd say "go with the gnu version", or even make a "busybox-gnu" and a "busybox-bsd" as different versions ;)19:33
lcukand get full find installed as dfind19:33
jottyeah i think that should do19:34
jotti would name it gfind (as in gnu find)19:34
lcukseems logical, obviously when i reinstall it'll screw me up again19:34
jottbut thats just semantics ;)19:34
VeggenHmmf. I hate hotels with an "inquiri form" for ordering.19:34
Veggennever know whether or not it's safe to wait for an answer (or whether I've actually ordered, or....).19:35
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lcukhang on, can i just screw dh_clean out of the equation on this and leave it as a blank script19:37
jottlcuk: well you *could* but you *might* end up with packages with temp files etc19:38
lcukits one package and ill just vape as required19:38
jotthmm busybox find does not have -exec ?!..strange19:38
lcuki dont do full building of lots of things19:38
jottacutally it should19:38
qwerty12jott, surely you were not surprised?19:38
jottthat nokias version does not have it?! ;)19:39
qwerty12dunno why it wouldn't, nokia's diff has +CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC=y19:40
qwerty12Ahh, it doesn't have it set later.19:40
qwerty12+# CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC is not set19:40
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jottthat probably saved gigs of space :)19:41
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qwerty12hehe, I once installed coreutils on here but the segfaults when doing simple things like ls -la would drive me crazy.19:42
RST38hhehe, itt is in full blown diablo hate mode19:42
qwerty12most of the people on itt don't know shit about diablo.19:43
qwerty12I was using it for weeks and weeks before and didn't find any install problems.19:43
qwerty12Then again, diablo extras wasn't populated then.19:43
RST38hyep, cant figure out how to enable chinook extras19:43
qwerty12Some people say to make the distribution line : "diablo chinook" but I had a fun time restoring when I did that. I just duplicate the maemo extras entry and make the distribution chinook.19:44
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RST38hthis does not work - i tries19:45
RST38hadding both extras (chinook and default) seems to work though19:46
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RST38hI have recently been diagnosed with Esophageal cancer which defiled all equipment19:54
RST38hWhat a wonderful spam....19:54
RST38hdefiled, mhm19:55
MangoFusiondefiled all equipment? eew19:57
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RST38hIt is actually the best outcome one can think off20:12
RST38hEvil cancer eats poor nigerian spammer alive and defiles that internet cafe he is spamming from20:12
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Stskeepsnote to self.. don't test dsme communication by sending DSME_REQUEST_REBOOT20:29
johnxwhat did you think would happen?20:30
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Stskeepsjohnx: i assumed my code would just break, but it didn't :>20:30
* Stskeeps continues playing20:30
johnxyeah, I've been in those situations too :D20:30
* qwerty12 wants libdsme :/20:31
johnxno way this will worked, crap20:31
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Stskeepsqwerty12: why, though? the protocol is so dead simple20:31
* Stskeeps is writing a dsme-dbus-proxy atm20:31
qwerty12hehe, I can tell, the powerlaunch guy reversed it too :)20:32
qwerty12But I want to recompile mce :(20:32
qwerty12(even if it is an old version)20:32
Stskeepsyou can prolly do it by making your own dsme.h .. the prototypes are pretty obvious20:32
qwerty12I need cal.h too. Infact, I'd <3 for cal.h20:33
qwerty12Maybe the authentication system will break on garage and I'll be able to get into .20:34
qwerty12Then I'll wake up from my dream.20:34
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Blasturhas anyone experienced significantly less battery time with Diablo? its almost like it never enters "power save" mode, except that it powers down the screen.. i get like a few hours of battery even if no apps are running, and i dont use it .. with chinook, it could run for days in that state20:35
johnxBlastur, install htop and watch for modest suddenly going crazy and soaking up 100% CPU time20:36
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Blasturoh, okay20:37
johnxhaving said that I had a power drain problem today without that being the cause20:37
johnxI'll have to wait for it to happen again and investigate20:37
johnxmaybe I'll rig something up to calculate the power loss rate and flash the LED or something if it's really high20:38
lcukjohnx, the problem is, you dont know its happening until you slide the keyboard open and it doesnt come alive as usual20:39
Stskeepswoo. dsme wants to talk to me :)20:39
qwerty12give it an middle finger form me20:39
qwerty12from even20:39
johnxlcuk, yeah I do, if I check the charge level every 5 minutes or so (with a script) and blink the LED if it's high20:40
* johnx scripts20:40
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lcukhave it playback a sample when it detects unusual current draw.   "ALERT: UNUSUAL POWER ACTIVITY"20:41
johnxrecord yourself saying that, send me the .wav and it's a deal :D20:42
lcukmy phone does similar, when it detects its nearly dead it puts the screen on max warns me that its nearly dead plays a bing and whacks qwerty12 around the head20:43
gpdoff topic: i have a weird linux problem: my laptop freezes (even playback of mp3s, cursor, any processes in fact) until a key is pressed or mouse is moved. happens with ubuntu & openSUSE - where should I start to look? never seen anything like this in 9 years of linux.20:43
johnxlcuk, right, but this is an early warning "WARNING: IF THIS KEEPS UP THE BATTERY WILL BE DONE IN 3 HOURS"20:43
johnxgpd, first place is dmesg20:43
johnxcheck for things about IRQs20:44
lcukfor me thats no good - its when im asleep - so in the middle of the night i will see strange lights and hear strange sirens and think we have been invaded by aliens20:44
johnxlcuk, plug it the heck in while you're asleep!20:44
gpdjohnx: yeah - that was my thought too - there are some messages about irqs actually - will check them out thanks.20:44
johnxlcuk, you don't have outlets in your bedroom?20:44
lcukno, the charger is near the computer not the bed. i charge whenever im in front of the computer20:45
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johnxgpd, on my immediate suspect list is: power saving, acpi, and apic20:45
lcuki leave the charger here because i know wifi drains it so i keep it topped up whilst coding20:45
johnxmaybe get another charger?20:46
lcukbut when i go to bed i take it to sketch and read and most nights its fine.  just occasionally i wake and its dead20:46
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gpdjohnx: it occurs after about 2 seconds of no typing / mouse - and the freeze is not absolute - if an mp3 is playing it comes back for a split second after about 20 seconds... does that give any more clue? the dmesg suggests pci=routeirq - will try that.20:46
lcukno, 9 nights out of 10 its fine20:46
johnxI just pull mine from the outlet by my desk and throw it on my bed20:46
lcuki wake up and battery is same place as it was20:46
lcukon normal days20:46
lcukon others however its dead20:46
johnxlcuk, you turn off wifi while you sleep?20:47
lcukyes 100%20:47
lcuki close everything i had open, i disable wifi and unplug.20:47
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johnxare you on diablo or do you use modest for mail?20:47
lcukthe act of unplugging makes my acmonitor switch the cpu back to ondemand (customised to do this)20:47
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johnxnice trick20:47
lcukim still in chinook and have never setup any mail20:48
lcukand i have wifi set to fully manual20:48
lcukwhen i plug back into power acmonitor knocks it back up to performance as well :) its sweet20:48
johnxstill, I need performance while on the go :/20:49
lcuki can switch whenever i want from liqbase20:49
johnxanyways, I'll look at maybe making a graph of power drain like KC did when he was writing kcbatt20:49
lcukits just an option :) but so i dont forget i have acmonitor to act for me20:49
johnxmaybe I'll have it take a reading and record the apps running at the time20:49
lcuka few people have looked at this johnx, there is a very recent thread where someone monitored20:50
johnxah, good, I'll ask for his script20:50
* johnx searches ITT once more...20:50
lcukit didnt look like cpu was the problem, im tempted to think some hardware isnt being shutdown cleanly and carrying on draining20:50
johnxstill, I want a rough graph, all the time and an early warning20:51
lcukthe whole thread has more, thats just the latest mail i got20:51
johnxawesome thread!20:53
lcukyer, lots of discussion and action20:53
johnxI've been ignoring battery threads cause usually it's a lot of arm-chair theorists and cargo-cult beliefs20:53
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lcukno, people actually discussing howto identify and work out what the actual problem is20:55
johnxhmm...starts getting ideas :D20:55
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GDeNSohow's everyone?20:56
johnxpretty good20:56
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lcukI suppose from that I could say that running a top log fixed my problem!20:56
lcuk*all hail the mighty top log* ;)20:56
johnxand you?20:56
qwerty12my head hurts after lcuk's phone whacked it20:56
qwerty12but fine otherwise20:57
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GDeNSoI'm wondering20:57
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GDeNSowith advance backlight, how do you get the rotate options?20:57
qwerty12You have to install the xserver-xomap and kernel with rotation.20:58
qwerty12Chinook or Diablo?20:58
summatusmentisyou need a kernel that enables rotation? that's annoying20:58
lcuksummatusmentis, better than needing to solder on a rotation chip20:59
Italodancejohnx hi again21:00
summatusmentislcuk: well, yeah, but... there's no general software way to do it?21:00
johnxhi Italodance21:00
Italodancejohnx my omweather has only 5 icons for saturday to wednesday21:00
Italodancewhat can i do for 7 days?21:00
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Italodanceit's noprmal...21:00
pupnikwell is quim around?21:00
lcuksummatusmentis, not generically, you need to talk to the omapfb to do it - i believe its possible to get single programs rotated but thats not the same21:01
Italodancehi pupnik21:01
pupnikhi Italodance, lcuk21:01
lcukhi pupnik, probably best mailing him21:01
pupniki'm sure he has done all he can21:01
johnxItalodance, there is no way to get info for 7 days now.21:01
Italodancejohnx  visible items is only for 5 and not for 7...21:01
lcukso am i - its inside the cogs of the mighty enterprise21:02
summatusmentislcuk: that's rather bothersome21:02
pupnikbut it is my credit rating that is now getting trashed21:02
qwerty12It's not hard to flash the kernel (less so under diablo)21:02
lcuksummatusmentis, not really - its expected.  the rotation feature was found after lots of work had been done assuming single orientation21:02
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johnxlcuk, actually I realized I read the beginning of that thread and decided it wasn't worth following21:02
Italodancejohnx so it can show automatically thursday and friday after wednesday later?21:03
lcukpupnik, im paying for it as well.  interest charges on that hotel bill are worrysome21:03
summatusmentislcuk: sure, I suppose, I'm used to a zaurus, where rotation is easy21:03
Italodancepupnik what's up dude? any new game?21:03
pupniknew games and emulators will come later21:03
johnxsummatusmentis, that's because it's been in the kernel since the beginning :P21:03
lcuklol johnx, so like a good wine the thread got better with age21:04
pupnikright now i am looking for nice women :P21:04
summatusmentisjohnx: hah, I guess that's fair.21:04
lcukpupnik, nice women will make your credit rating drop more :P21:04
pupniktrue that21:05
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qwerty12Go on a date to the nearest takeaway and watch as you get slapped :p21:05
lcuksave yourself the hassle of women, marriage and divorce etc and just buy a random woman from the street a new house21:05
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lcukin the end it will work out the same just without the emotional hassle :D21:06
johnxlcuk, bitter much?21:06
GDeNSoqwerty, ive downloaded that package and get an error when tring to install :/21:07
lcuknot at all, i am happy with my life and missus and kids21:07
lcuki was just talking in general21:07
GDeNSoqwerty12 *21:07
Italodancei want some new cool backgrounds....someone has?21:07
lcukqwerty12, some women will really enjoy it if you take them somewhere upmarket (like mcdonalds)21:08
johnxlcuk, ah, like a lottery winner saying "Don't play the lottery." :D21:08
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qwerty12GDeNSo, ( don't install rotate-sb-plugin)21:08
qwerty12lcuk, cool, where can I find a woman like that?21:08
lcuki wouldv thought all the chavs down your way would lap that kind of stuff up21:09
lcukhell, you can even go through the drivethrough on your bmx21:09
qwerty12That's true, Essex, here I come!21:09
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qwerty12ezi now bruv, I gave you another link :P21:10
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lcukqwerty smells of peee21:12
qwerty12~lart my cat21:12
* infobot takes a big bite out of my cat's jugular vein21:12
GDeNSothanks qwerty12 :)21:13
jottpoor cat...21:13
GNUtonHi all21:15
GNUtonhey jott:)21:15
GDeNSoitolodance, go on flickr and search up my username21:15
jotthello GNUton, i nearly finished comboboxes :)21:16
GDeNSoI have some up there21:16
GNUtonjott: absolutely great! :)!21:16
jottgtk is such a pita when it comes to theming...21:17
johnxItalodance, wallpaper:
ItalodanceGDeNSo ok!21:17
GeneralAntillesAnybody remember the memory usage calculation bug number?21:17
Italodancetnx johnx :D21:17
GNUtonjott: pita? what is this?21:19
Raytraypain in the a..21:19
jottpain in the a** :)21:19
GNUtonah ok! :)21:19
Stskeepsokay.. save_unsaved_data_ind comes from DSME .. what does this normally mean? dsme noticing battery running out? terrorist attack?21:20
qwerty12that gets sent using dbus, libosso uses it21:21
Stskeepsyeah, but it originates from dsme it seems21:22
qwerty12yeah :)21:22
Stskeeps(like, from the root)21:22
qwerty12"Maemo applications can connect to listen the system D-BUS messages, like "bat-21:23
qwerty12tery low" and "shutdown". When these messages are received, the application21:23
qwerty12may want to ask the user to save files that are open, or react however wanted."21:23
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Jaffacrashanddie: no - that's what happens when a package has a build dependency which cannot be met, which is fairly odd for an upstream debian package but not impossible21:26
mouser-/MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER mouser- icqhyqerbjgt21:26
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qwerty12wrong window :/21:26
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johnxthat's unfortunate...21:26
red-zacknope, right window :P21:27
* GeneralAntilles is tired of idiocy.21:27
qwerty12Is there a pdf of "Maemo 4.1 API references". i don't want to use httrack but by God if I have to...21:27
johnxGeneralAntilles, a specific thread? or just idiocy in general?21:27
mouser-Better here than #ubuntu, I guess.21:27
GeneralAntillesIn general really, but the "bugzilla sux" thread in particular right now.21:28
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* johnx tries to think of the most helpful info to log for battery tests21:31
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GeneralAntilles"does my battery be gud?"21:31
crashanddiejohnx, apparent voltage is stupid, because it mostly depends on the current drain21:32
johnxthank you GeneralAntilles :P21:32
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crashanddiejohnx, what exactly do you want to test ? It's exact mAh value ?21:32
Stskeeps <- if anyone wants to see DSME communication code done in Python21:33
johnxI guess I should rephrase that to "power usage logging"21:33
qwerty12Thanks Stskeeps21:34
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crashanddieI'm off to change the mouse21:36
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Blasturisn't it possible to go 'true' full screen in micro b anymore? if i hit fullscreen, the url bar still remains at the bottom21:44
qwerty12You can disable that bar from the view menu21:44
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Blasturah, great21:49
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jottGNUton: what do you think about something along the line of ?21:58
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pH5in which repo can I find perl 5.8.3-3osso9?22:03
pH5it's installed in the scratchbox, but the n810 tries and fails to install -3osso7 (while perl-base is already at -3osso9)22:03
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pH5qwerty12: thanks22:04
* pH5 checks sources.list.d again22:04
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pH5terrific, that's referenced from the diablo sdk repository22:15
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Medic119buncha nothing going on?22:20
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johnxyou missed everything22:21
lcukMedic119, if you have been here 5 minutes ago you wouldnt have said that22:21
lcukjohnx, it was wild wasnt it22:21
GeneralAntillesI'm so glad I was here.22:21
Medic119Had to update my kernel..lol22:21
johnxlcuk, pure madness. I'm almost glad it settled down O_o22:22
EdgesterI'm getting configure errors for openafs that says the /usr/include/linux aren't valid kernel headers. Is there another path besides getting the RC kernel?22:23
Edgesteroops, OX kernel22:23
Edgesterugh, RX kernel22:23
johnxmaybe a symlink?22:23
johnxaren't there kernel headers available?22:23
Edgesterdo I need the RX package or is there a different package22:24
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johnxI honestly don't remember off the top of my head22:25
johnxthere's a little howto for building modules I think, though22:25
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Edgesterok, so I do need the kernel source deb. How do I specify that in my deb control file?22:28
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VeggenEdgester: you only need the kernel-source deb for building, not to install on the tablet afterwards.22:30
EdgesterI understand that, but I have to tell the autobuilder to make the kernel source deb available22:30
Edgesterduring the build22:30
johnxaaah...sorry, that's a little beyond my experience22:31
Edgestermine too22:31
VeggenThere's a Build-Depends: in the debian/control22:31
Edgesterya, I had to use that to make krb5 build in the autobuilder22:32
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VeggenI'm not sure, but if I made an autobuilder, I'd make it look there :)22:32
Veggenthen, can't you just Build-Depend on kernel-source ?22:32
crashanddierebooting, brb22:33
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Edgesternot sure, but would I need to build the kernel as well?22:33
Veggenbut you might need a configure'd kernel-build-three.22:33
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Edgesterhmmm, probably22:34
Veggennot sure about this, but you might want to dissect another *something*-modules package. Doesn't have to be for maemo, can be for another Debian-based Linux.22:35
VeggenI'd guess it's quite similar.22:35
Edgestersounds good22:35
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Veggenyou're welcome.22:36
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Edgesteruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! the normal openafs debian packages just include the module source22:44
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Kegetysshould panscan work with the maemo mplayer? I cant seem to get it working23:42
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GNUtonjott: kinetic list view looks great! :)23:44
GNUtonjott: have you tried it on your device?23:44
* lcuk2 perks23:44
lcuk2GNUton, kinetic scrolling in what?23:45
GNUton ?23:45
lcuk2ahhh coo, how well does it run on our hardware?23:46
GNUtonlcuk2: you can download and try the demo in the tarball23:47
GeneralAntillesQt kinetic would likely fit in well with Fremantle. ;)23:47
lcuk2kinetic isnt very advanced to do, but to look good it needs rendering speed23:47
lcuk2agreed GeneralAntilles23:47
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GeneralAntillesWhat with all the little hints that've been dropped all over.23:48
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GNUtonHow many lcuk there are in this room ? :P23:49
lcuki need desktop -> 810 copy paste facility23:49
lcukgnuton, that was my 81023:49
summatusmentislcuk: ssh?23:49
GNUtonlcuk: are you using xchat?23:49
lcukit probably would use it yer, but i just wanna right click on something and essentially sendto my81023:50
summatusmentislcuk: you're on windows right? I don't think there's a way to use FUSE, but if there is, you should look into sshfs for easy file manager access23:51
lcuki use winscp normally23:52
Veggensummatus: there's some ssh-filemanagers for Windows that gives you cut&paste-things.23:52
lcukbut its just extra things23:52
Veggen"extra" things?23:52
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lcukyer, having it all automatic and dropped into the right place23:52
lcuklike webshortcuts automatically dropped into favorites23:52
Veggenmmm. Then you need an sshfs for Windows.23:52
Veggenor something.23:53
lcukyer, the transport layer is but one part of it23:53
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Veggendunno, perhaps there's an easy way to make such functionality as you want.23:54
lcukits configuring where and how to send content over and get it to the expected place on the destination end23:54
Veggendunno, cause I don't windows.23:54
lcuknor do i - the concept is identical whether main desktop is windows linux mac or another 8x023:54
Veggen(hmm, I don't *know* windows was what I meant to say)23:54
lcuki have a link or file or data on this machine and i want it directly on my 81023:54
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GeneralAntillessftp would be really simple.23:55
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GeneralAntillesTransmit gives me an icon that I can just drop stuff I want sent to the N800 on.23:55
Veggenwell. for Linux, I guess it'd depend on which desktop-environment you are in, but Gnome/Evolution-things, I guess it'd be possible to make what you want. If i needed it, I'd dive into the gnome filesystem/Evolution things and have a look.23:56
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