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| GNUton | jott: ok :) | 00:00 |
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| GNUton | there are a lot of german guy... wherever! | 00:01 |
| GNUton | :) | 00:01 |
| GNUton | guys | 00:01 |
| jott | GNUton: have you any plans for the right mouse button? | 00:03 |
| GNUton | no, I haven´t yet. | 00:03 |
| GNUton | And you? | 00:04 |
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| jott | GNUton: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3540 you probably have seen this, right? | 00:06 |
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| GNUton | jott: Yes, I know! :) | 00:07 |
| jott | might be worth to collaborate | 00:07 |
| jott | haven't looked at the code.. seems to be deep in his gsoc branch :P | 00:08 |
| jott | but having this on qt and not kdelibs layer would be benefitial.. | 00:10 |
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| GNUton | Basically his hack works like he hildon RMB. | 00:10 |
| jott | yeah.. | 00:10 |
| GNUton | By the way it doesn´t seems so hard to code.. | 00:10 |
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| jott | well there are some possible glitches, but in the end it should be just a few lines of code.. | 00:11 |
| megabyte405 | interestingly enough that's how macs have done it for years | 00:12 |
| megabyte405 | (well, that and control-clicking) | 00:12 |
| jott | you have to be creative if you only have one mouse button ;) | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully they ship a slightly less retarded mouse these days. | 00:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Though I only know one Apple user who actually uses an Apple mouse at the moment. . . . | 00:14 |
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| jott | probably because the name just scares people away ;) | 00:15 |
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| megabyte405 | yeah, the mighty mouse isn't great, two-finger touchpad scrolling is pretty close to genius though | 00:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The scrolling nipple might be OK if it could be cleaned. | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the capacitive right-click is just awful. | 00:17 |
| lcuk | gen, just have a bath if your nipple needs cleaning | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | three-finger swiping for forward/back is pretty awesome, too. | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload. | 00:17 |
| lcuk | but i would generally recommending not letting your pets suckle | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gained more awesome. | 00:17 |
| lcuk | awesome++ the left hand side tabbed look is bang on :D | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was actually surprisingly easy to fix | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I don't know what I really did. | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt have been able to explain how it shouldv been, but you got it niiiiiiiiiice | 00:18 |
| gourdin | you know what, 'fit to screen width' is necessary, when you zoom in, you don't want to scroll left and right each lines | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, code up a patch to make it not suck. | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | the missus is just asking, but can someone give me one word that you think of when i say "Darius" | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crazy. | 00:20 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: ho, yeah | 00:20 |
| gourdin | hmmm | 00:20 |
| gourdin | ok | 00:20 |
| gourdin | great | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload again. | 00:21 |
| RST38h | lcuk aminazin | 00:21 |
| lcuk | omg the word screenshots doesnt fit! | 00:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, aminazin - is that for darius or the web | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fits here | 00:22 |
| lcuk | or my typos | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 00:22 |
| lcuk | remember, big fonts | 00:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: for darius of course | 00:22 |
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| RST38h | anybody knows if osso-xterm can be configured from command line? | 00:23 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: you give a pretty bad image | 00:24 |
| lcuk | hmmmmm 'you know where it says "awesome slogan here" it should say "f**kin fed up of seeing it". ' | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm a terrible evil person. I know. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | or maybe there are some per-window settings that can be applied? | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, how about now? | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | (svn commit only took 45 seconds) | 00:24 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i think so | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we're in agreement, excellent! | 00:24 |
| lcuk | ahhh it fits and when scrolled, i think i should go though, the missus really does look grumpy tonight, cyas later | 00:24 |
| RST38h | ga: eat another kitten and rejoice | 00:25 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damn him. | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want content now! | 00:25 |
| jott | RST38h: there are some gconf settings for it. | 00:25 |
| RST38h | jott: but they are global, right? | 00:25 |
| jott | yes | 00:26 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: hmmm, almost | 00:26 |
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| RST38h | too bad | 00:27 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: when i say : the fit thing is usefull for some people, i'm not attacking you, you know that, don't you ? | 00:27 |
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| gourdin | you take everything so personaly, perhaps a missunderstanding.. don't know | 00:29 |
| jott | garage is so damn unusable atm.. | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just really bored with people that just come around to bitch and moan. :) | 00:29 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: why people bitch and moan ? | 00:30 |
| RST38h | gourdin: because they are not getting enough mood altering drugs of course | 00:31 |
| gourdin | RST38h: :)) | 00:31 |
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| gourdin | perhpas this is not the right place to ask for tech support on n8x0 ? | 00:35 |
| RST38h | what was your question anyway? | 00:37 |
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| yigal | GeneralAntilles suggested I use the 'internet call' app. rather than gizmo to use sip phone but I've created an account and am having difficulties connecting to the server | 00:37 |
| yigal | this way | 00:37 |
| yigal | through gizmo it works, but it is a very nasty interface - imo | 00:38 |
| yigal | can I use <my user name>@gizmo5.com or something else, also does anyone know if I have to connect through a special port? | 00:39 |
| RST38h | ok. so what is your problem with ga? | 00:39 |
| RST38h | you like gizmo better - use gizmo, there is nothing wrong with that | 00:39 |
| yigal | no I dislike gizmo's app. quite a lot | 00:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | yigal, <username>@proxy01.sipphone.com | 00:40 |
| RST38h | ok, so you dislike both apps? | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then tap Advanced | 00:40 |
| crashanddie_ | back | 00:40 |
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| yigal | no I very much enjoy the simplicity of 'internet call' | 00:40 |
| RST38h | so use internet call | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he needs the right settings. | 00:41 |
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| yigal | RST38h: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough | 00:42 |
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| RST38h | google. somebody must have hit this problem before. | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm explaining it right now. :P | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, edit the account | 00:42 |
| crashanddie_ | yigal, when I configured my SIP account (not gizmo, my ISP's), I noticed that too much information basically borked it. | 00:42 |
| florian | re | 00:42 |
| crashanddie_ | yigal, go light on the info | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do. :P | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_ | or that | 00:43 |
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| yigal | GeneralAntilles: that is what I have learned to do, "just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do" it's worked so far :) | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap the presence applet | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Account settings | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Select your Gizmo account, click edit. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | <username>@proxy01.sipphone.com | 00:44 |
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| yigal | GeneralAntilles: it's working now | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 00:44 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: I read it the 1st time | 00:45 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't get a confirmation. :P | 00:45 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: was trying to confirm if it worked, just did | 00:45 |
| yigal | it does | 00:45 |
| yigal | can I delete the gizmo app. or is it useful for anything? | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can delete it | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It provides video calling, I suppose | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that'd be it. | 00:47 |
| yigal | Yay :) | 00:47 |
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| lardman|afk | what was the issue with XTerm wrt dyntick? | 00:50 |
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| lardman | there was something that meant/s if you leave an xterm open overnight it kills the battery | 00:51 |
| lardman | just trying to add proof to my vague recollection | 00:51 |
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| lardman | it's Friday, why am I so tired? | 00:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you too, eh? :( | 00:53 |
| lardman | yeah, Holly's already asleep; must be all the rain, going back to hibernation mode | 00:54 |
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| yigal_800 | xchat for maemo is nice!! | 00:55 |
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| yigal_800 | test: im still too slow with the stylus however | 00:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stylus sucks! | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | finger keyboard is the way to do it. | 00:57 |
| yigal | umm, ok, will try it next time :) | 00:57 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you about | 00:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: going to see you in Berlin then? | 00:58 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'm sure a man of your talents could manage a fake passport (age) ;) | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, pong. :P | 00:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: same question to you! | 00:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Highly unlikely. | 00:58 |
| lardman | :( | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless something changes significantly in the next week or so and I can get sponsorship. | 00:59 |
| lardman | 2 separate problems or one and the same? | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm up in the air on a family reunion that either that weekend or the next. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't find out about that until probably the end of this month. | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | lardman, I'm taking it you're going ? | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't want to take a sponsorship slot if I can't actually go | 01:00 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: yes, all confirmed | 01:00 |
| crashanddie | [djeezus I'm irritated when I don't have something to smoke] | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's no way I can swing a $1500-$2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;) | 01:00 |
| lardman | crashanddie: Going to be talking about DSP programming, something like that anywya | 01:00 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: There is sponsorship available, you just need to confirm asap | 01:01 |
| lardman | Is it really that dear? | 01:01 |
| lardman | expensive that is | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, cool, I look forward to hearing what you have so say :) | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Confirming ASAP isn't gonna happen. ;) | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | s/so/to | 01:02 |
| lardman | crashanddie: me too ;) | 01:02 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: :S | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The next Maemo summit. ;) | 01:02 |
| lardman | :) good good | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, if I have a job, and you don't get nokia subvention for the next summit | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'll pay for the ticket myself | 01:03 |
| Medic119 | anyone have a copy of syncevoltuion that works in OS2008? | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be quite the donation. | 01:03 |
| lardman | ~£500 atm from Bristol->Florida | 01:04 |
| crashanddie | lardman, ~£500 still converts to USD 2.3M | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie | given the current currency | 01:05 |
| lardman | crashanddie: glad to hear it as I'm in Chicago week after next :) | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | lardman, :D | 01:05 |
| lardman | I'll take 15p and live like a king! ;) | 01:06 |
| RST38bis | lardman: iphone 3g! | 01:06 |
| lardman | RST38bis: can you change the network they are on? | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | nope, still simlocked | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | and you have to activate the phone in the shop | 01:07 |
| lardman | hmm, will need a very strong signal to work back home then :) | 01:07 |
| RST38bis | no, but you are not buying it to use it are you? =) | 01:07 |
| * lardman starts saving Pringles tubes | 01:07 | |
| qwerty12-N800 | or see if at&t do really long roaming | 01:08 |
| lardman | RST38bis: gf already has an ipod touch, so seen it all, etc., | 01:08 |
| RST38bis | it is an object d'art! | 01:08 |
| lardman | qwerty12-N800: don't you accidentally get charged £20k for that?! | 01:08 |
| qwerty12-N800 | something like that :p | 01:08 |
| lardman | RST38bis: agreed, it's very snazzy; lots of thoughts for the ITs | 01:08 |
| Medic119 | Ya know if AT&T had decent data plan rates, I might have gotten an iPhone instead of my n810. Now I have to figure out how to pay for AT&T in Alaska..urgh. | 01:09 |
| RST38bis | thought 1: nokia should hire steve jobs | 01:10 |
| Medic119 | RST38bis: Not Jobs, just his UI designers.. | 01:10 |
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| RST38bis | isn't alascom att now? | 01:10 |
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| RST38bis | ui designers are useless if told to design around crappy paradigm | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I almost cracked the map repository | 01:11 |
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| lardman | hmm, after my masterplan to save array dimensions in the first array element I realise I need to have 2D arrays :( | 01:11 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, what's wrong? | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, the version of the map | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I don't know how the software knows which version to take | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ignore the retarded filler content: http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comments? Suggestions? | 01:14 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, :/, I'll see if i can upload an maps folder tomorrow. | 01:14 |
| Medic119 | GA: what are we commenting on exactly? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The website | 01:15 |
| Medic119 | oh, design? Its good an simple. | 01:15 |
| Medic119 | Easy to read. | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, no need | 01:15 |
| lardman | very snazzy, except the links don't do anything | 01:15 |
| lardman | home=about* | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, I cracked the whole sequence, from getting the map list, to getting the list of files to download, to downloading each file | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, filler content. ;) | 01:16 |
| lardman | ok :) | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The links work, the pages are just mostly all the same. | 01:16 |
| lardman | ah, right | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, there's just one info that is still opaque, gimme a minute, gotta take care of something | 01:16 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, heh nice work. dunno why navicore are so secretive about it. | 01:17 |
| Medic119 | I get a little lag which switching tabs in FF 3.0/ openSuse | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, Medic119. Maybe Garage slowness? There only thing interesting going on is the embedded YouTube video on the screenshots page | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, the navbar alignment is messed up in Firefox again. . . . | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~lart buggy CSS rendering engines | 01:20 |
| * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at buggy CSS rendering engines | 01:20 | |
| Medic119 | Dunno. Switching between tabs took just long enough to notice. It loading everything up before making the switch? | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it take long to switch after you've loaded the page and it's in the cache? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., switch back and forth between two tabs a couple times. | 01:21 |
| Medic119 | It takes about a second to swap tabs, but it may be garage at the moment as it took it a few seconds to even come up this time. | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, FF3 is so ridiculously slow on PPC. | 01:23 |
| summatusmentis | you're on PPC? sad | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that is damn weird | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | FF3 renders the same page differently locally and on the server. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | svn is in sync. . . . | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | wtf | 01:24 |
| Medic119 | lol.. I am on a Core2 Machine and 64 bit linux. I am still going pretty sweet, but FF is buggy with video right now | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, my dual G5 kicks your ass. ;) | 01:24 |
| lardman | bah, 64bit is a pita | 01:24 |
| Medic119 | When I built my site, I noticed FF tended to keep things in the cache and wouldn't update, even if told to do so. I had to manually flush between test updates locally. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's always Firefox that breaks on my websites. . . . | 01:25 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I'd rather have my core2 duo, thanks | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, this is the full discussion between Map and the servers: http://slexy.org/raw/s20cyQHDp9 | 01:25 |
| lardman | I don't like flash, but unfortunately some websites to, it was a real pain to get working | 01:25 |
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| Medic119 | 64bit openSuse is pretty stable now. I went back to 32 bit on 10.3 because too much was not there, but I haven't had any issues with 11.0 yet | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, how many pixels wide is the border between the navbar and the content on here in FF3? http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two? | 01:25 |
| lardman | Medic119: working ff plugins? | 01:26 |
| summatusmentis | people use openSuse? | 01:26 |
| Medic119 | See I design for FF and maneuver for Safari/Gecko, and then I *might* add some call for IE if I feel like it. I got tired of IE crap. | 01:26 |
| Medic119 | So far everything seems to be working fine lardman. | 01:26 |
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| summatusmentis | toodles all | 01:27 |
| lardman | Medic119: things have moved on since I last tried then :) | 01:27 |
| Medic119 | I switched from Fedora to openSuse (via Ubuntu) because the hardware was easier to deal with in Opensuse of all things | 01:27 |
| lardman | night summatusmentis | 01:27 |
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| Medic119 | lardman: in 10.3 I had to downgrade to 32-bit cause half what I needed didn't work in 64 bit | 01:27 |
| * lardman went from Mandrake to Ubuntu | 01:27 | |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, the other interesting part is when it gets the "component list" http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, Medic119, you design for Firefox yet maneuver for Gecko? :P | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to tell me how that border renders in FF3 since my copy is retarded? | 01:28 |
| Medic119 | yea, get it all to work in FF, then make subtle changes for Safari, et al. I know they have the same base, but they don't all reander exactly the same | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Safari uses Gecko? | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | (hint, Firefox is Gecko, Safari is WebKit) ;) | 01:29 |
| Medic119 | It was based on Gecko was it not? It was supposed to be a FF child. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're confused. | 01:29 |
| Medic119 | Must be. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | WebKit is based on KHTML | 01:29 |
| Medic119 | Anyway, your borders look fine here. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12-N800, and I'm still trying to understand what this conversation is about: http://slexy.org/view/s2Pgdob7ud (this is the very first action in the whole map retrieval process) | 01:29 |
| Medic119 | there is no outside border on the big tabs, but neither is there one around the whole page. | 01:30 |
| Medic119 | There is no padding around screenshots either. | 01:31 |
| qwerty12-N800 | crashanddie, i wish i knew :(.. seems like maybe it's authenicating itself | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | I don't know honestly | 01:32 |
| Medic119 | FYI, there are other gecko browsers that aren't FF, but are based on Gecko (Konqueror comes to mind) | 01:32 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you wouldn't have a bright idea how to decrypt all this mess ? | 01:33 |
| Veggen | hmmf. I have a weird bug with maemo mapper. | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, no. | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, back already? | 01:33 |
| Medic119 | out.. later. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | yes :D | 01:33 |
| Veggen | My maps does not want to align. | 01:33 |
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| crashanddie | !NC#0211aaeCe/P3leRilW98xM4XjkrtHowzhRZJPCtjSFG1epg/KRNSyA1xCNgocVa2uAmXOkGxr/Vc5NcJ1smBl6b | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | what kind of encryption/string modification would produce this ? | 01:34 |
| lcuk | crashanddiehaveyoufallenasleeponyourkeyboard | 01:34 |
| lcuk | whats the original and i could tell you, otherwise: its encrypted so how should we know? | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 01:35 |
| lcuk | actually, it just looks formatted | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | yeah, encoded | 01:35 |
| lcuk | got any other examples | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | if so, get them all in a big long list in pastebin | 01:36 |
| qos_ | lcuk, some encryptions create special cipher texts... he asks for that | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, I can get a few other examples | 01:38 |
| lcuk | crash, are they all the same length and similar formatting | 01:38 |
| lcuk | who wants a beer btw? | 01:38 |
| Mousey | me, pls | 01:38 |
| qos_ | lcuk, i take 2 | 01:38 |
| lcuk | via email or ssh? | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload and click About. | 01:39 |
| qos_ | give me the link ... | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Few minor changes. | 01:39 |
| Mousey | rsync, here | 01:39 |
| Mousey | wget.. bget? | 01:39 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I'll take one too | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm out of my main drug | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, nicotine :( | 01:39 |
| lardman | mmmm, beer | 01:40 |
| qos_ | crashanddie, i didn't smoked a cigarette for 2 days now :D | 01:40 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that is about the most awesome thing in a book of awesomeness that ive ever seen. even awesome-o thinks its cool :D | 01:40 |
| lcuk | i actually really like that | 01:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, find novel things to build cigs out of | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an idea that I had sort of half-implemented in the original. | 01:41 |
| qos_ | i think i will stop thinking about that and goto bed ... | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank Jaffa for the inspiration for that particular implementation. | 01:41 |
| pupnik | what is awesome? | 01:41 |
| lardman | I'm off to bed too, night chaps | 01:42 |
| pupnik | cheers lardman | 01:42 |
| lcuk | gnite lardman | 01:42 |
| qos_ | night... | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | dunno if i can tell you pupnik. this is GeneralAntilles's conception | 01:43 |
| lcuk | i havent had my 810 on all night | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I shared it in the channel 20 minutes ago. ;) | 01:44 |
| Mousey | welp, off to seattle.. ttyl, internets!! | 01:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now get me some content so I can actually get rolling. :P | 01:44 |
| lcuk | alrighty lol | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, where's that outline from LinuxTag? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be a decent start. | 01:45 |
| lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes | 01:45 |
| lcuk | but thats awfullo | 01:45 |
| lcuk | or is it | 01:46 |
| lcuk | hmmm, for the about thing | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Revise that slightly to change it from a talk to an about page. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be perfect. | 01:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maybe par it down by about a page. | 01:47 |
| lcuk | ok, to get all this timed i will have to schedule everything, is the garage todo list ok, or is there perhaps some sort of shopping type application around which i might be able to use? lbt | 01:48 |
| lcuk | by lots - i pared it down to 6 a5 cue cards for ltag ;) | 01:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles shudders at the thought of the Garage task tracker. | 01:49 | |
| lcuk | then dropped them when some geezer shoved a big mic in my face :S | 01:49 |
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| lbt | nearly there... | 02:13 |
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| lbt | found some kind of bug in gtkmm - triggering a Gtk::HBox->remove() of a Gtk::Entry on the Gtk::Entry activate signal causes a segfault. | 02:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:14 |
| lcuk | oh cripes | 02:14 |
| lcuk | i spotted the strange one you had before with the object,basemethod() | 02:15 |
| lbt | yep - that was fun | 02:15 |
| lcuk | that would be a doozy of a thing to debug: but it wouldnt have occured if you didnt recurse your classes | 02:15 |
| lcuk | a wonderful thing to do by the way, i have been building my classes without realising it was possible. | 02:16 |
| lbt | this is a method of a deep base class (Gtk::Widget) | 02:16 |
| lbt | so any widget containing a container widget has the same methods | 02:17 |
| lcuk | why are you removing something that you are entering | 02:17 |
| lcuk | i would imagine that removing yourself whilst in the middle of working on yourself would be a bit of a nono | 02:17 |
| lbt | If I instansiate (sp?) lots of Entry boxes then it goes slow :( | 02:17 |
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| lbt | it doesn't delete itseld | 02:18 |
| lbt | `f | 02:18 |
| lbt | (cat!!!) | 02:18 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:18 |
| lbt | it just de-parent's itself | 02:18 |
| lcuk | and reparents itself where it is needed for the next one? | 02:18 |
| lbt | but I think the gtk 'activate' may try to trigger a default 'OK' button in the parent | 02:18 |
| lbt | kindof | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | i gather as you enter a simple check item it becomes a fully editable one | 02:19 |
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| lbt | yes | 02:19 |
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| lbt | click on the label and it becomes an Entry | 02:19 |
| lcuk | and the slowdown is because having so many textboxes on screen is a bit cack | 02:19 |
| lbt | yes | 02:19 |
| lbt | they're all fully featured editors!! | 02:19 |
| lbt | and having 50 or so... | 02:19 |
| lbt | eek | 02:20 |
| lcuk | ok, have you thought about not really reparenting, just put a single entry box on the form and move it over where it needs to be | 02:20 |
| lbt | (worked fine in Qtopia on the Zaurus though) | 02:20 |
| lcuk | is this gtk | 02:20 |
| lcuk | yes it | 02:20 |
| lbt | I create/delete it on the fly - it's fine | 02:20 |
| lcuk | you say up there | 02:20 |
| lbt | it all works when I get the 'focus lost' signal | 02:20 |
| lbt | just not the 'activate' | 02:20 |
| lbt | I even added button click signals - they're fine | 02:21 |
| lbt | http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Entry.html#8ca968ac536264b82d7f603d5c985c4d | 02:21 |
| lcuk | [X] label1 [X] label2 [X] label3 at the start its this | 02:21 |
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| lbt | yes | 02:22 |
| lcuk | [X] entry1 [X] label2 [X] label3 the user clicks on label1 | 02:22 |
| lcuk | it creates entry1 | 02:22 |
| lbt | yes | 02:22 |
| lcuk | do you wanna draw and explain | 02:22 |
| mgedmin | lbt: a cheap workaround would be to postpone the removal of the entry a bit by using an idle handler | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | clicking on 2 does what | 02:22 |
| lbt | I'm suspecting set_activates_default() | 02:23 |
| lbt | (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) | 02:23 |
| lbt | mgedmin: ugh | 02:24 |
| lcuk | lbt | 02:24 |
| lbt | mgedmin: I thought about it :) | 02:24 |
| lbt | it creates entry2 | 02:24 |
| lbt | which gets focus | 02:24 |
| lcuk | [X] entry1 [X] entry2 [X] label3 when the user clicks on label2, does it create entry2 before it deletes entry1 | 02:24 |
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| lbt | and that deletes entry1 | 02:24 |
| lbt | which saves entry1->text to the data | 02:24 |
| lbt | which sends a signal to the label | 02:24 |
| lbt | (which just unhid) | 02:25 |
| lbt | to change state to display the new data | 02:25 |
| lbt | quite nice really | 02:25 |
| lcuk | ok, write the data to the data on lost focus or deshade or whatever its called when you move out of a field | 02:25 |
| lcuk | dont think about removing it yet | 02:25 |
| lcuk | simply save it away in one swift motion with nothing to do with anything (and it will also ensure its caught when user clicks the menu button) | 02:26 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: it's called "blur" | 02:26 |
| mgedmin | the opposite of "focus" ;-) | 02:26 |
| lcuk | thanks mgedmin :) | 02:26 |
| lbt | backtrace: http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 | 02:26 |
| lcuk | gotfocus | 02:26 |
| lcuk | lostfocus | 02:26 |
| lcuk | ;) | 02:26 |
| lbt | line 10 is my innocent remove() | 02:27 |
| lcuk | lbt, once you have removed the getting/setting code and you know entry1 needs removing it will be simpler | 02:27 |
| lbt | there are 2 paths into this function - lose focus signal or activate signal | 02:27 |
| lbt | one works fine, the other doesn't | 02:28 |
| lbt | so it's not a deleting myself type problem | 02:28 |
| mgedmin | strange... | 02:28 |
| lbt | yes | 02:29 |
| lbt | nb - I just stopped it from searching the parent window for an activate_default | 02:29 |
| lcuk | in the example above, the user has just clicked label2, entry2 has been created and entry2_activate is being run. what specifically does it remove? entry1 for sure or entry2 | 02:29 |
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| lbt | not quite | 02:30 |
| lbt | activate is run when the user hits <RETURN> | 02:30 |
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| lbt | so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container | 02:31 |
| lbt | E1 is created and added | 02:31 |
| lbt | it then gets focus | 02:32 |
| lbt | all fine | 02:32 |
| lbt | when I click L2, L2 is remove()ed | 02:32 |
| lbt | E2 is created and gets focus | 02:32 |
| lbt | E1 loses focus and the lose_focus callback is run | 02:32 |
| lbt | this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 | 02:33 |
| lbt | it then copies data from E1 -> DB | 02:33 |
| lbt | then deletes E1 | 02:33 |
| lbt | that works fine | 02:33 |
| lbt | now | 02:33 |
| lcuk | ok fair enough :) | 02:33 |
| lbt | so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container | 02:34 |
| lbt | E1 is created and added | 02:34 |
| lbt | it then gets focus | 02:34 |
| lbt | I then edit | 02:34 |
| lbt | and hit return | 02:34 |
| lcuk | ok | 02:34 |
| lbt | the activate callback is run | 02:34 |
| lbt | (same fn) | 02:34 |
| lbt | this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 | 02:35 |
| lbt | it then copies data from E1 -> DB | 02:35 |
| lbt | then deletes E1 | 02:35 |
| lbt | but it crashes (line 10) in the remove() | 02:35 |
| lbt | weird | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | anyone know of a language/data structure where strings/rows are terminated by 0x02 ? | 02:35 |
| lbt | COBOL? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | not really. in a lostfocus event, the base control sounds like it has simply been written to handle this and not need to do anything more with the control | 02:36 |
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| lcuk | however, pressing enter sounds like a more advanced event which thinks you are in the middle of something and is not expecting it | 02:36 |
| lbt | activate is typically used as the 'close' signal though | 02:36 |
| lcuk | it doesnt sound like it should be | 02:37 |
| lbt | no, it's not 'press enter' - activate() is supposed to be read as 'press OK' | 02:37 |
| lbt | hence the 'experts explanation' I mentioned | 02:37 |
| lbt | (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) | 02:37 |
| lbt | activate_default is usually the 'OK' button in the parent window | 02:38 |
| lcuk | yes, but im used to a command button handling things like that - ie a defaulted button will get the event after it has lostfocus on the entry box and gone to the button | 02:38 |
| lbt | yes but..... given a dialog with an entry and OK/Cancel | 02:38 |
| lcuk | is it a case of you are listening too closely: could you move the "activate" to be handled by the container for instance | 02:38 |
| lcuk | rather than the specific entry control | 02:38 |
| lbt | then hitting enter in an Entry is *defined* to be allowed to simulate an OK press | 02:38 |
| lbt | it is :) | 02:39 |
| lbt | activate is passed to the super-parent | 02:39 |
| lbt | method | 02:39 |
| lbt | which then tidies up the grandchildren | 02:39 |
| lbt | I've noted this as a bug for now - I'll come back to it l8r | 02:40 |
| lcuk | ok, so we wont press enter ;) | 02:41 |
| lbt | indeed! | 02:41 |
| lcuk | whats the beef with updating on keypress? | 02:41 |
| lbt | I have an N800 - no problem for me!! | 02:41 |
| lcuk | and remove all the worry about focus or not | 02:41 |
| lbt | oh - focus works!! | 02:42 |
| lbt | it's keypress that's borked | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, reload. | 02:42 |
| lcuk | yes, but if its updated all the time, theres no real need to do *anything* when the user presses enter | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Added some content and another submenu | 02:42 |
| lcuk | just let focusing deal with it entirely | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | its the user pressing enter and then having its feet taken away from under it | 02:43 |
| lbt | well, focusing means there's always a text box visible | 02:43 |
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| lbt | pressing enter leaves it neat and tidy | 02:43 |
| lbt | hey - I'll release the code RSN | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | if you seperate the actions it might clean itself up | 02:43 |
| lbt | then you can see what I really mean | 02:44 |
| * lcuk is a firm believer in "one thing at a time" | 02:44 | |
| lcuk | yes i do | 02:44 |
| lbt | oh, me too - that's why I'm loathe to leave it buggy | 02:44 |
| lcuk | try it without updating anything | 02:44 |
| lcuk | just comment out the update line | 02:44 |
| lbt | did - works fine | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may or may not be convenient to edit your LinuxTag stuff in svn now that it's in there. | 02:45 |
| lcuk | quick 2 minute test would tell you if its the modifying writing expecting data displayed end of it | 02:45 |
| lbt | (sorry, the remove() | 02:45 |
| lbt | look at the bt though | 02:45 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 | 02:45 |
| lbt | nothing to do with my data - it crashes before my update :) | 02:45 |
| lbt | code: http://pastebin.com/d52867ed8 | 02:46 |
| lbt | removing line 1 fixes the problem | 02:46 |
| lbt | it crashes in line 1 | 02:46 |
| lbt | so removing line 4 doesn't help :) | 02:46 |
| lbt | appreciate the thoughts though ..... but it's late | 02:47 |
| lbt | I gotta go | 02:47 |
| lbt | catch you all over the w'end.... | 02:47 |
| lcuk | lbt, gnite, but why are you removing it then uysing it | 02:48 |
| lcuk | this http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 | 02:50 |
| lcuk | shit, wrong window | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, more retardation. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201973#20 | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have the energy to respond to his stupidity. | 02:54 |
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| yigal | so I'm putting my mind into the n800 one task at a time, is there any program that works a bit faster than the default email client? | 03:00 |
| yigal | I'm used to mutt, so I might not be happy with it because of that | 03:01 |
| yigal | but I may as well ask | 03:01 |
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| yigal | I do like the flashing led bif that's a nice one | 03:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, use mutt? | 03:02 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: the download link at maemo is down | 03:03 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: I don't have a developers system set up, I should probably do this and compile mutt? | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a bad plan | 03:03 |
| yigal | ok, perhaps a couple of week then | 03:03 |
| yigal | not too long a time | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could always just get the vmware image. | 03:04 |
| yigal | hmm, that sounds better :) | 03:04 |
| yigal | but I'm using amd64 is it only 32? | 03:05 |
| lcuk | does it matter? | 03:05 |
| yigal | yes | 03:05 |
| yigal | no | 03:05 |
| lcuk | good point, its not an emulator is it | 03:05 |
| yigal | not sure, probably not | 03:05 |
| yigal | but it is being treated as an OS by itself, so there shouldn | 03:06 |
| yigal | t be problems? | 03:06 |
| yigal | may as well try | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | vmware will work fine. | 03:06 |
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| yigal | are there no precompiled packages of mutt, not that I won't set up the environment, I'm already attached to my n800, but I won't have to work quite as much initially to get what I want? | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | vmware is pretty much download and go. | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | hey GA, you're old | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | you should know this | 03:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | An interesting sense of old. | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | has Wayfinder always worked around the same ideas ? i.e.: give everyone free maps, but make them pay for directions ? | 03:11 |
| yigal | ok so first to install vmware :) | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | or did earlier versions require you to pay to get the updated maps ? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, the application wasn't bundled on OS2006 and OS2007 | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Maps shipped on a DVD | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno if there were updates. | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, what I'm trying to find out, is if the license I get with my n810 entitles me to get updated maps ? | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's mentioned in the sales documents. | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | Because at the moment, their implementation fails and the maps don't download | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | email them and ask 'em if they'll ship you a CD. :P | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | I've been trying to reverse engineer their distribution system, and I've come quite some way | 03:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I thought they had direct links on the website | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | they're outdated | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Email them. :P | 03:15 |
| crashanddie | the new maps are 2008.1, the versions on the website are 2007.sumthin | 03:15 |
| yigal | so I need vmware player ? | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, aside from the communications lag, it'd probably be easier to give them the opportunity to rectify the situation. :P | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | well, I'll contact them | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | and if they don't reply nicely | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | I'll send my botnet on their servers | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | Mhuwhahahahahaha | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:18 |
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| lcuk | servers in hawaii? | 03:22 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, have you ever been called old before :D | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | By my sister once or twice | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But she's currently 16, so meh. | 03:23 |
| lcuk | what else are siblings for :) my sister is 4 years old er than me and i remind her every chance i get | 03:23 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: pics? >_> | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, you don't value your life much, do you? | 03:24 |
| summatusmentis | lol, I kid, I kid | 03:25 |
| summatusmentis | my sister just turned 16, no worries | 03:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws Molotov cocktails at summatusmentis. | 03:25 | |
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| * summatusmentis throws shrimp cocktails at GeneralAntilles | 03:26 | |
| summatusmentis | take that! | 03:26 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, ill try and layout those notes a little better, they were geared for speech rather than pagination | 03:26 |
| Gracana | haha | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, delete some of it, and make the paragraphs a bit longer. | 03:26 |
| lcuk | exactly, ill give you some cleaner copy now i know what it needs to look like | 03:27 |
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| lcuk | i might enslave eldest into writing it tomorrow actually. he needs a lesson in word processing | 03:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could toss in some HTML if you're feeling mean. ;) | 03:28 |
| lcuk | no need, Microsoft Word 2000 can save as HTML. i can has instant webpages :D | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 03:28 |
| lcuk | move out of the way web designers ;) im comin through :P:P:P | 03:29 |
| lcuk | ill save as RTF and let you deal with it | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s227F23BrL | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how Microsoft inserts proprietary elements into their "html" pages so that it only renders correctly in IE. | 03:29 |
| Gracana | Has anyone done any work to get ip forwarding and iptables nat support working in ITOS? | 03:29 |
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| lcuk | their "HTML" is so screwed up | 03:29 |
| summatusmentis | I won't talk to you anymore if you submit an MS Word created .html file | 03:29 |
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| crashanddie | holy shit | 03:30 |
| lcuk | a micrsoft HTML file contains something like 76kb of data just to say "hello world!" | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | wireshark has been capturing packets since... 5PM | 03:30 |
| summatusmentis | wee! | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, s/n8x0/N800 and N810/ and s/NIT/N810/ | 03:30 |
| summatusmentis | <3 wireshark | 03:30 |
| lcuk | thatsabiglogfile | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, too late, already clicked send | 03:31 |
| lcuk | hey, you can rewatch all your pron! | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | well, no | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | cuz it captured only stuff from the NIT xD | 03:31 |
| Gracana | What, you don't stream porn to your tablet? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, http://xkcd.com/448/ | 03:32 |
| lcuk | my timezone doesnt drift anymore, but i DID think about rm_you | 03:32 |
| lcuk | i used to spend a lot of time mid atlantic | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, watch the alt message on the pic | 03:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:33 |
| lcuk | gee, doesnt he get a lot of sleep | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | (btw, if I suddenly stop replying, it's because I suffered power outage, big ass thunderstorm over here) | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, some people are lucky | 03:34 |
| lcuk | i loath weekends though where i have to get up | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, btw, you made me laugh earlier | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, sending me emails of stuff I had to post on the IRC channel | 03:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 03:34 |
| lcuk | tracy was using mine so i couldnt | 03:34 |
| lcuk | and its a bit suspect if i have webbased irc up | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | heh | 03:35 |
| lcuk | so i routed around the damage and found a way :D | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | "Your Geek Gay Lover again ?" | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | G²L | 03:35 |
| lcuk | oh yer i forgot about that, i need to retaliate | 03:36 |
| Gracana | Hmmmm. I don't think vmware will run very fast on my intel atom based laptop. | 03:36 |
| * Gracana doesn't want to go upstairs to get on his desktop | 03:36 | |
| crashanddie | is that a backwards way to brag about the fact you have an atom based laptop ? | 03:37 |
| lcuk | you swanky git with your atom processor. in my day if we wanted to use vmware we had to go upstairs BOTH WAYS | 03:37 |
| Gracana | haha | 03:37 |
| Gracana | crashanddie, haha, I guess it could be. | 03:37 |
| lcuk | i expected him to hold it up and to hear the intel chimes | 03:37 |
| ds3 | has some discovered matter based on something other then atoms? if not, a atom based laptop seems rather redundant ;) | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | "tootitumtii" | 03:38 |
| Gracana | But we all have shmancy little internet devices, so I don't feel too smug. | 03:38 |
| Gracana | haha ds3 | 03:38 |
| lcuk | a non atomic atom processor would be cool | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | or would it be hot? | 03:38 |
| * lcuk explodes | 03:38 | |
| crashanddie | organic-cell based processor | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | still atom based, but hawt | 03:39 |
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| Gracana | I know some pretty hot organic-cell based processors. | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | "shit, my CPU is at 29.8C" "ouch, bad fever... You might have caught a virus" | 03:39 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, could you really cope if your NIT was organic and alive. every time you bang the cursor too much it says "ouch" | 03:40 |
| * Gracana smacks crashanddie for making such puns | 03:40 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wants more people to tell us that Nokia should switch to the Atom so he can laugh at them. | 03:40 | |
| Gracana | Nah, arm really is superior. | 03:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you sound like an apple fanboy 10 years ago | 03:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 10 years ago? | 03:41 |
| Gracana | If you must have an x86, atom is pretty good, but if you can build it around an ARM.. | 03:41 |
| lcuk | silicone processors are way better. boobies are even better than arms | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's see, 68k was already gone | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | and x86 was 7 years away | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I prefer legs than arms, quite honestly | 03:41 |
| lcuk | 68k rulez | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, this one makes me laugh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18659 | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | 68k sux | 03:42 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I would fall for a girl with long legs, not so much for a girl that has long arms :P | 03:42 |
| Gracana | Has anyone set up maemo/scratchbox development environment in ubuntu? I remember having a hell of a time last time I tried. | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | Gracana, download a .sh, run it, done | 03:42 |
| lcuk | depends on linux flavour | 03:43 |
| lcuk | scratchbox prefers debian doesnt it | 03:43 |
| lcuk | lol its ok im blind | 03:43 |
| * lcuk missed the ubuntu | 03:43 | |
| Gracana | crashanddie, yeah.. That failed in a rather complex manner last time. I'll give it another shot though. | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | Gracana, you runny gutsy ? hardy ? feisty ? | 03:45 |
| Gracana | Hardy. | 03:45 |
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| crashanddie | then there's no problem | 03:47 |
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| Gracana | Are there up-to-date instructions on getting scratchbox set up somewhere? | 03:48 |
| Gracana | I'm finding a lot of old stuff.. | 03:49 |
| crashanddie | ok, let's see | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | Maemo.org: 1, 2, 3 | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | Yup, that's it | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | 3 clicks from the maemo.org page, and I have it :) | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | Gracana, wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | chmod +x maemo*.sh | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | ./maemo*.sh | 03:52 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk, still there ? | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | killmekillmekillme | 03:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles asplodes. | 03:55 | |
| lcuk | yes | 03:55 |
| Gracana | Thanks, crashanddie. | 03:55 |
| * lcuk wipes bits of GeneralAntilles off his shoulder | 03:55 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I need some ice cream. | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too much retardation can only be solved by ice cream. | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I have some home made coffee-chocolate-vanilla icecream :) | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should steal my parent's ice cream maker when I go home | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | they never use it. | 03:57 |
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| crashanddie | why steal ? | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | If they don't use it | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | just ask for it ? | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steal in a humorous sense. | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Saying "I should ask my parents if I can have the ice cream maker when I go home" just sounds silly. | 03:58 |
| crashanddie | I fail to see the humour in stealing | 03:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles is wondering how Hellboy II will be. | 03:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting change of direction compared to the first. | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | "Server problems turned this year's iPhone 3G launch into an exercise in patience for Apple fans and employees, as eager buyers faced waits of up to two hours to get their iPhone 3Gs activated in Apple stores, and many left with iPhone 3Gs in hand but the activation process incomplete. The same problems affected original iPhone owners trying to install the iPhone 2.0 software, turning their handsets into "iBricks."" | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | They shoulda just let 'em activate at home. . . . | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | My mother, apparently, didn't have any trouble, though. | 04:00 |
| Gracana | I'm pretty sure you can activate at home. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the 3G | 04:01 |
| t_s_o | all this so apple and the rest can feed their controlfreak needs... | 04:02 |
| Gracana | Oh, you know that for a fact? I was under the impression that a couple people I knew were just doing it at home with itunes. | 04:02 |
| Gracana | Maybe that was something else. | 04:02 |
| t_s_o | i think i read there where people that got most of it done in the store as planed, and then got the phone handed to them and told to finish the process at home | 04:03 |
| Gracana | That could have been what these guys were doing. | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gracana, http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/iphone-3g-must-be-activated-in-store-and-other-followup-questio/ | 04:05 |
| t_s_o | i wonder how many phones apple have in storage and will be "rationing" out to the faithful over the next couple of weeks... | 04:05 |
| t_s_o | or maybe they are just giving priority to their own places... | 04:06 |
| t_s_o | would make sense in a way... | 04:06 |
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| * Gracana tried to throttle his 1.6GHz CPU to 208MHz | 04:22 | |
| Gracana | It did not like that. | 04:22 |
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| Gracana | scratchbox installed, I think | 04:27 |
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| lcuk_zzz | gnite chan | 04:29 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 04:33 | |
| * Gracana breathes normally | 04:34 | |
| burnte | I've got the openssh package installed, but it seems if the tablet is idle for a couple minutes without using the net interface, my ssh session drops | 04:37 |
| burnte | so I have to keep click browser links to keep my ssh session alive. Am I alone in this? | 04:39 |
| Gracana | I think so. Is your WLAN timeout set to something? | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like an issue with your AP. | 04:39 |
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| burnte | GeneralAntilles: I doubt that, because it wshould't care what kind of traffic | 04:40 |
| burnte | if web traffic keeps it alive, then ssh traffic would too | 04:40 |
| derf | burnte: Are you ssh'ing into the tablet, or out of it? | 04:40 |
| burnte | into | 04:40 |
| derf | Yeah, I have the same problem. | 04:40 |
| burnte | (easier than using the built in keyboard for extended periods) | 04:40 |
| derf | You have to occaisionally send outgoing traffic, or it seems to stop listening for incoming traffic. | 04:41 |
| Gracana | Hmm, I never had that problem. | 04:41 |
| burnte | derf: yep | 04:41 |
| derf | But just using the ssh session should be enough (or at least, it is for me). | 04:41 |
| burnte | should be, yeah | 04:41 |
| burnte | it's like something is only paying attention to GUI apps or something | 04:42 |
| burnte | not shell net use | 04:42 |
| derf | No, the dichotomy is definitely transmit/receive for me, not which app is doing it. | 04:42 |
| burnte | oh | 04:43 |
| burnte | I never explored that much to determine other apps did it | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine idles on ssh all without issue. | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it also idles on XChat, so that may help. | 04:43 |
| burnte | oh man | 04:43 |
| burnte | that's not a bad idea | 04:43 |
| burnte | I forgot about xchat | 04:44 |
| burnte | when I had xchat running it didn't do this I think | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. ;) | 04:44 |
| * burnte grabs the 810 | 04:44 | |
| burnte | oh | 04:44 |
| burnte | right | 04:44 |
| burnte | I'm still shoehornign xchat back in after my latest flash | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, just install it from Application manager? | 04:44 |
| burnte | what repo? | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras | 04:45 |
| * burnte wonders why AM isn't finding it | 04:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The only repo you really need. ;) | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chinook or Diablo? | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, wait | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It hasn't been promoted yet. | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel. | 04:46 |
| burnte | ahh | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which I don't have a .install handy for. . . .. | 04:46 |
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| burnte | gronmayer probably haas it | 04:47 |
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| Gracana | Hey crashanddie, thanks for the help, I now have a proper scratchbox development environment. | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | Gracana, your welcome | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | next time, just try to look a bit better around the website, ok ? | 04:59 |
| Gracana | crashanddie, I'm not one to ask for help without looking. I just wasn't able to find it. | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | Gracana, most of the resources are located on the maemo website when you click "development", you should find a whole package of info there. | 05:00 |
| Gracana | Ah. | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, you need Red Pill on to see the Settings dialog. | 05:01 |
| t_s_o | tried that, still didnt see it. that is unless i have to restart app manager before it shows up :P | 05:02 |
| t_s_o | but then i have no issue with droping to cli for a bit of apt-get when app manager throws a tantrum... | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to restart. | 05:05 |
| t_s_o | ok | 05:05 |
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| crashanddie | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=611785&cid=24160057 | 05:12 |
| crashanddie | Hahaha | 05:12 |
| crashanddie | gotta love the first comment on that | 05:12 |
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| t_s_o | heh, bofh... | 05:15 |
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| crashanddie | anyway | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | bed, all that | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | cheers | 05:16 |
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| burnte | yeah, ok, got xchat back in, yeah, that keeps the network session live | 05:30 |
| burnte | weird | 05:30 |
| burnte | so, note to self, leave xchat open so I can ssh in. :) | 05:30 |
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| Medic119 | everyones lurking I see | 06:13 |
| johnx | yup | 06:13 |
| Raytray | of cousre | 06:13 |
| Medic119 | is there any news other than the iPhone *is* the second coming today? | 06:15 |
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| johnx | heh...the other news is that the second coming is delayed by problems with activation servers | 06:16 |
| Medic119 | yep, too many idiots willing to part with their money | 06:17 |
| Medic119 | in other news: n810s not plaugued by server loads..lol | 06:19 |
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| Medic119 | anyone from Fairbanks, Alaska lurking? | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will somebody package a becomeroot/easyroot package for Extras already? | 06:20 |
| Medic119 | how about an update to the diablo xserver-xomap package for rotation | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Being talked about. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's already been updated | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | for a while now | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but getting it into Extras is being discussed. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The issue is osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked | 06:22 |
| Medic119 | really? I loaded the latest Rotate Package and apt/app mgr keeps telling me to update xomap | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have Red Pill mode on, don't you? | 06:22 |
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| Medic119 | yes, and this is the version I am using xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb, but yesterday it started telling me to update to a new version | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn off Red Pill | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody should be leaving Red Pill mode on. | 06:23 |
| Medic119 | I am not too familiar with apt-get either (used yum and smart forever) is there a way to filter upgrades? ie apt-get upgrade p* | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know why it's been proliferated as some sort of "fix-it" mode, but nobody should be leaving it on and people really shouldn't recommend it as such. | 06:24 |
| tank-man | they like red pill mode cause the matrix is cool | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | yeah, and Neo died. :P | 06:27 |
| tank-man | i dont remember that | 06:27 |
| Medic119 | yep he did, and came back | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=202046#post202046 | 06:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms. | 06:28 | |
| Medic119 | i understand Ubuntu Mobile isn't so hot | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still very young. | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, it certainly has potential | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But until it actually ships on something. . . . | 06:29 |
| Medic119 | yea, everything has potential though. I used OS/2 and thought it was the Sh**T, but alas IBM's marketing sucked and windows was already secure | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:30 |
| Medic119 | I was actually a Beta Tester for OS/2 Warp | 06:31 |
| Medic119 | Ran rings around Winblows95, but alas... | 06:31 |
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| Medic119 | And then there was FAmiliar hacked onto iPaqs.. potential - but again.... | 06:33 |
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| Medic119 | Gotta say Vagalume rocks... | 06:34 |
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| Medic119 | Between that and Numpty Physics, my wife is even liking my NIT | 06:34 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: where is the vmware image for maemo sdk? | 06:44 |
| yigal | or anyone else | 06:44 |
| Medic119 | VMWae for MAemo!? Wow, better have some disk spac | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=vmware+maemo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 06:46 |
| yigal | great | 06:48 |
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| yigal | well I must reboot, a debian box I know it's sad but it is a laptop so it isn't too bad, be back in 10minutes | 06:50 |
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| yigal | not so bad | 06:53 |
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| yigal | wow installing the latest vmplayer is not so simple when module-assistant crokes :), ok now for installing maemo's sdk | 07:08 |
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| rm_you | i hate how pings scroll off | 07:13 |
| yigal | scroll off? | 07:15 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:15 |
| rm_you | xchat has a maximum history length | 07:15 |
| yigal | oh, I use irssi, I will hopefully add irssi as a n800 package | 07:16 |
| yigal | but I still haven't added the sdk :) | 07:16 |
| yigal | so we'll see how far I get | 07:16 |
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| yigal | in 2 hours I will have downloaded the vmware image I'm a happy boy | 07:23 |
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| yigal | ok so what is the first step in building a .deb for maemo in this case mutt and more specifically for my n800? | 08:20 |
| yigal | do I download the arm deb and modify this or start from scratch ? | 08:20 |
| rm_you | download the source tar.gz | 08:20 |
| yigal | not the arm .deb too different? | 08:20 |
| rm_you | the .deb is already compiled | 08:21 |
| rm_you | you need the source | 08:21 |
| yigal | but it can be tweaked | 08:21 |
| rm_you | no, it is pre-compiled binary | 08:21 |
| rm_you | you can't do anything to it | 08:21 |
| rm_you | you need the source | 08:21 |
| yigal | so what about the source to the arm deb - sorry you are right | 08:22 |
| yigal | it at least has a control file etc. | 08:22 |
| rm_you | what is the name of the file you downloaded? | 08:23 |
| yigal | nothing yet | 08:23 |
| yigal | I'm downloading maemo-sdk-0.6 | 08:23 |
| rm_you | ah | 08:23 |
| yigal | in roughly 40 minutes it will be ready to use | 08:23 |
| yigal | and I want to prepare for a trial run of trying to get mutt up and running | 08:23 |
| yigal | so I figure I can either download the src to the deb or download as you said the tar.gz | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, the tar.gz is the source to the deb. | 08:25 |
| yigal | oh, ok, then that makes it easy :) | 08:25 |
| rm_you | you probably want http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mutt/mutt_1.5.13.orig.tar.gz and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mutt/mutt_1.5.13-1.1etch1.diff.gz as a starting point | 08:26 |
| yigal | rm_you: thank you but I think I'm going for lenny :) | 08:28 |
| yigal | 1.5.18-2 | 08:29 |
| rm_you | heh k... sometimes it is harder to get them to work due to dependencies | 08:29 |
| rm_you | etch is generally the easiest | 08:29 |
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| yigal | interesting, ok, then I'm going easy | 08:29 |
| monteslu | /join #tux4kids | 08:29 |
| monteslu | doh | 08:29 |
| yigal | :) | 08:29 |
| yigal | there was an episode a couple of days ago when some poor chap did an 'identify <password>' :) | 08:30 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:30 |
| yigal | this was on #debian | 08:30 |
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| rm_you | hrm, looks like you will also need to find libsasl2 and libdb4.4 | 08:31 |
| rm_you | or compile them | 08:31 |
| yigal | ok so boring as it is I'll go for an etch source and then I've heard hildon is really picky | 08:32 |
| yigal | so try for libsasl2 first | 08:32 |
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| yigal | or something like | 08:32 |
| chmac | Changing the tablet hostname with `hostname newname` should work right? | 08:33 |
| chmac | I've added the host to /etc/hosts | 08:33 |
| rm_you | chmac: it never seems to stick | 08:33 |
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| chmac | rm_you: Hmm | 08:33 |
| rm_you | it used to... | 08:33 |
| rm_you | in os2007 | 08:33 |
| chmac | rm_you: Is there a config file where it can be set maybe? | 08:33 |
| rm_you | but i havent been able to get it changed in 2008 | 08:33 |
| rm_you | yes | 08:33 |
| chmac | There's no /etc/sysconfig on my n810... | 08:33 |
| rm_you | /etc/hostname | 08:34 |
| yigal | everytime it connects to a server, change the hostname :) | 08:34 |
| rm_you | lol viral hostnames | 08:34 |
| rm_you | hrm changing it manually in /etc/hostname appears to have worked for now :) | 08:34 |
| chmac | Seems to have worked for me | 08:35 |
| chmac | I'll try a reboot just to be sure | 08:35 |
| chmac | Seems to have worked for me :) | 08:38 |
| yigal | chmac: sounds good! I'm going for it, 'little dude' - I'm drunk right now | 08:39 |
| burnte | change /etc/hostname, etc/hosts, and /proc/sys/kernel/hostname | 08:39 |
| burnte | that changes it globally, and allows you to refer to it locally as yournewhostname rather than localhost too | 08:39 |
| yigal | burnte: thank you | 08:40 |
| burnte | no problem | 08:40 |
| burnte | it's the least I can do for the help I've recieved here. :) | 08:40 |
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| yigal | 12 minutes until sdk is mine | 08:48 |
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| yigal | no the insanity, the injustice | 08:50 |
| rm_you | so yeah... i am going to start doing this: http://xkcd.net/448/ | 08:58 |
| yigal | hmm good morning from Australia - I live in California | 08:59 |
| Proteous | it's 11pm!!! | 09:04 |
| Proteous | in cali that is | 09:04 |
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| yigal | yes it is, + a few minutes | 09:06 |
| yigal | feeling good on smog + the ocean air | 09:06 |
| yigal | can't get enough | 09:06 |
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| Proteous | heh | 09:06 |
| yigal | ok the sdk has expanded to 4.5gb hopefully it will stop soon | 09:08 |
| zap | SDK??? | 09:08 |
| zap | you mean the vmware dump? | 09:08 |
| yigal | yes, sorry | 09:08 |
| yigal | no context | 09:08 |
| zap | :) I just installed ubuntu in kvm and installed sdk there | 09:09 |
| yigal | :) | 09:09 |
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| yigal | My resources are small enough that I don't want to break them up into virtual machines, if I can help it, but kvm looks pretty neat | 09:11 |
| yigal | how large does it get? | 09:11 |
| yigal | the dump | 09:12 |
| zap | the base image is 2.4Gb and the image-based-on-base is 780Mb | 09:12 |
| Proteous | too large to flush! | 09:12 |
| yigal | hah | 09:12 |
| zap | but qemu-kvm can compress the disk images | 09:12 |
| yigal | 7gb it's done | 09:12 |
| yigal | the bootsplash is very cute | 09:14 |
| yigal | if I have an internet connection on the host should I have a problem getting an internet connection on the virtual machine with vmplayer? | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | yigal: you can always do NAT | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn qwerty12 | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | good morning Stskeeps | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: do you have any need for the wext enabled cx3110x driver in your android projects? and issues with power saving? | 09:44 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, android doesn't actually manage any wireless stuff, I have to connect through maemo first and android will use that connection. | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | thought it was a seperate boot like debian is | 09:45 |
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| irees | hmm, i have an n770, i can ssh root@localhost from the device, but can't ssh into it from another machine | 09:55 |
| irees | actually i probably hosed it pretty bad, maybe i'll just reinstall from scratch | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | irees: happen to have something like bootmenu and such on n770? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | (for booting other OS'es) | 09:57 |
| irees | i don't think bootmenu is installed | 09:57 |
| irees | i'm just going to reflash it real quick... | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:58 |
| irees | i haven't messed with this thing in like 6 mos | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | was just curious since i wonder how n770 boot-other-OS'es work :P | 09:58 |
| irees | i want to use it as a UPnP client | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, same as the rest. | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It isn't very different. | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, Mount up the initfs on the computer if you want to find out :P | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: k - so the usual fuckery with /tmp with dsmesock and such? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | and strange /var/run? :P | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush is magic. | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 10:00 |
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| irees | how much onboard storage does an n770 have? | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 64MB | 10:06 |
| irees | k | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, 128MB, rather. | 10:06 |
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| khertan | Hi | 10:12 |
| khertan | hum ... maemo summit is in Berlin ... about 1000Km ... ouch ... 110L of Super ... so 110*1.47*2 euro ... ouch too many euro ? | 10:13 |
| khertan | no summit is planned in France ? | 10:13 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, The nitapps guy never responded to your extras request did he? | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, he appears to be dead. | 10:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I dunno, he managed to keep up with diablo: http://www.nitapps.com/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I hearby nominate you to package an easyroot/becomeroot package for Extras. :P | 10:14 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, having easyroot in extras would be useful. Maybe I'll make a clone :P | 10:15 |
| burnte | yeah, that's where I scored nano | 10:15 |
| burnte | sooo nice | 10:15 |
| irees | *please work* | 10:15 |
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| khertan | hum ... maybe but at this time this is more simplier to create a repository than to upload to extras | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | nano for maemo sucks | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Segfaults all the time. | 10:16 |
| khertan | yes | 10:16 |
| burnte | wfm | 10:16 |
| burnte | course, I don't use it for long | 10:16 |
| khertan | specially on search | 10:16 |
| khertan | ^W | 10:16 |
| irees | heh, i wish i was lucky enough to live within 1000km of berlin | 10:16 |
| khertan | :) | 10:16 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if it's some common thing because irssi likes to segfault too. | 10:16 |
| burnte | ok, I never thought this would happen to me, but I don't know where my tablet is. I can ping it, but can't see it. | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Play an mp3! | 10:17 |
| qwerty12 | ssh into it and run an dbus command to blink the led :P | 10:17 |
| khertan | irees: i live near Paris ... :) | 10:17 |
| irees | khertan: want to trade? i'm stuck in texas... sigh. | 10:17 |
| rm_you | lol i am in texas too most of the year | 10:18 |
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| irees | brb | 10:18 |
| khertan | irees: hum ... how fuel is priced ? | 10:18 |
| khertan | i take the change :) | 10:18 |
| irees | a little bit over $4usd per gallon, or about $1.05USD / L | 10:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | flite is effective at getting insanely loud static. | 10:18 |
| rm_you | was like $4.20 a gallon last i was there, is like $4.40 here in WA :P | 10:18 |
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| khertan | hum here it s 1.47 to 1.55 / L | 10:19 |
| khertan | 1.47 Euro | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys get taxed to hell. | 10:19 |
| irees | 2.30 usd | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've nobody to blame but yourselves. ;) | 10:19 |
| khertan | :) | 10:19 |
| irees | about 8.5 usd/gallon | 10:19 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: yes too taxed | 10:19 |
| khertan | GeneralAntilles: but can't do nothing ... | 10:20 |
| irees | i don't mind | 10:20 |
| Makegho | how comes that when I have no programs open and I try to switch desktop background it complains there's not enough memory? Image size is 3000x2000 so it should take only 24 megabytes. | 10:20 |
| irees | i don't drive alot, i mostly use public transit and my bike | 10:20 |
| qwerty12 | Makegho, I think you answered your own question. | 10:20 |
| khertan | irees: public transit are mostly in strike in france | 10:20 |
| irees | i wanted to spend a week in Paris with my wife in January.. our first trip out of the country together... but the euro makes it too expensive. | 10:21 |
| khertan | just wait 10 years | 10:21 |
| irees | when i went in 2002, it was 0.90 usd / 1 euro | 10:21 |
| khertan | when france will have no more money and will be a under developped country | 10:22 |
| khertan | it ll become attractiv again ... | 10:22 |
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| qwerty12 | Isn't Paris one of the mostly visited cities in the world? | 10:22 |
| khertan | it is ... but i don't understand why | 10:22 |
| khertan | there is many more beautiful thing to see in france ... | 10:23 |
| yigal | like the women? | 10:24 |
| Makegho | qwerty12: but what takes all the memory and why I can still open many many programs. Besides, I can open it with an image viewer. | 10:24 |
| khertan | yigal: :) | 10:24 |
| burnte | oh, right, there it is | 10:24 |
| rm_you | meh, I'd much rather visit Tokyo than Paris :P | 10:24 |
| khertan | rm_you: me too :) | 10:24 |
| irees | i might go to tokyo next month | 10:24 |
| irees | for work | 10:24 |
| rm_you | :P | 10:24 |
| khertan | in my priority list : tokyo, moscou | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, same here. I typed in punnany in google earth and it took me straight to Japan, after that hint, I'm not going anywhere else! :P | 10:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:25 |
| irees | hrmn, the canola upnp plugin doesnt want to install | 10:26 |
| burnte | speaking of canola, I tried mplayer, which claimed to be fast, adn it was pathetic, I was getting 5fps on an mp4 that the built in media player did fine. is canola better? | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 10:27 |
| qwerty12 | Makegho, maybe the background-manager doesn't like it. Seeing as you aren't going to zoom in when it's set as a background, it may just be easier to reduce the size. | 10:27 |
| rm_you | canola uses mplayer for video | 10:27 |
| qwerty12 | And it can be slower because of the way it uses mplayer too. | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | burnte, h.264 and aac is the _one_ thing Media player does better than mplayer. | 10:27 |
| rm_you | and i've yet to see a file play better with the built-in than with mplayer | 10:27 |
| rm_you | can you post that file somewhere? | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer blows Media player on everything else. | 10:27 |
| irees | any idea why the upnp plugin isn't showing up? | 10:27 |
| rm_you | i couldn't get media-player to even recognize my h264/mp4's video format | 10:28 |
| rm_you | it just refused to play >_> | 10:28 |
| burnte | rm_you: Lemme find it... | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/player /player out of the water/ | 10:28 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: mplayer out of the waterblows Media player on everything else. | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right then | 10:28 |
| yigal | ok I see the maemo sdk image's /etc/apt/sources.list is filled with ubuntu repos. should I try with these or work with debian's for my initial try at building mutt? | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | I want an xvid gstreamer plugin. I should get my ass round to it sometimes. | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | *sometime | 10:28 |
| rm_you | at least mplayer tried, though it did do badly... but i wouldn't expect the tablet to play h264, it's SOOOOO cpu intensive to decode | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, you don't need to change anything on the vmware image. | 10:28 |
| Makegho | qwerty12: yup, seems that the background setter's code is diferent then. Is there a way in my N810 to resize images? | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, Media player actually has some decent h.264 optimization. | 10:29 |
| rm_you | hrm | 10:29 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: ok, so download the source of mutt and dependendencies and try building? | 10:29 |
| rm_you | well, like i said, it didn't even recognize the format when i tried | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makegho, just drop it through an image converter on your desktop. :\ | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | Makegho, The image viewer has a resize option. Haven't tried it though. | 10:29 |
| burnte | GeneralAntilles: That might be why then, that's how I transcoded it, to h264 and aac | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | h.264 and aac is the absolute worst combination you could pick for the tablet. | 10:30 |
| rm_you | burnte: just use mencoder or something to encode to avi/xvid | 10:30 |
| rm_you | can go up to like 1400 video bitrate | 10:30 |
| burnte | serves me right for reading the spec sheet then. :) | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | mp3 audio at lower than 44.1 | 10:30 |
| rm_you | and use 400x240 resolution | 10:30 |
| khertan | is there a voluntary to add dpkg-buildpackage in extras-devel ? | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | burnte, just because it supports it doesn't mean it's the best supported format. :) | 10:30 |
| burnte | rm_you: Yeah, that I had | 10:30 |
| khertan | (i warn there is some depandancies) | 10:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and Nokia's spec sheet has nothing to do with aftermarket software life mplayer. | 10:30 |
| qwerty12 | The Epson was the worst thing nokia could pick for the tablet (excluding rotation which was cool :)) | 10:31 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: ?? | 10:31 |
| burnte | GeneralAntilles: I know, I read the "supported codecs" bit on the glossy and jsut transcoded to that | 10:31 |
| rm_you | Epson? as in, printers? | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | Epson as in Lcd controller :) | 10:31 |
| burnte | to run in media player, then LATER tried mplayer | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 10:31 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 10:31 |
| rm_you | burnte: try playing one of the samples in encoded for mplayer | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | When jott told me it had only 1MB for the framebuffer, I wanted to send a tank into Epson HQ. | 10:32 |
| rm_you | http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi | 10:32 |
| khertan | So no voluntary ? | 10:32 |
| rm_you | lol it even plays nice streaming | 10:33 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | khertan, it's already in dpkg-dev ;) | 10:34 |
| rm_you | mplayer http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi | 10:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you's creepy shit. | 10:35 |
| Makegho | not enough memory to crop it :/ but if I boot then it succeeds | 10:35 |
| khertan | qwerty12: but dpkg-dev isn't available for device :) | 10:36 |
| khertan | in extras-devel | 10:36 |
| Makegho | but I don't want to boot my device every now and then | 10:36 |
| yigal | are there any links I can look at for building packages for diablo in general? | 10:36 |
| rm_you | lol its a Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya AMV :P | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | khertan, Hmm, I could make a package that would install but I wouldn't be able to put it on a repo. | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, I SO totally got that. | 10:36 |
| khertan | qwerty12: i ve the same problem :) | 10:36 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:37 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles thinks its creepy :P | 10:37 |
| qwerty12 | Can't blame him for thinking that :p | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anime is creepy by definition. | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't stop me from watching it, but still. ;) | 10:37 |
| rm_you | :P | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just saw this one recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paprika_(2006_film) | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out there. | 10:39 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 10:39 |
| rm_you | Paprika is kinda like Paranoia Agent, isn't it? | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't seen Paranoia Agent. | 10:40 |
| irees | grr.. sigh. | 10:42 |
| khertan | qwerty12: the purpose is to upload it to extras-devel, so i could upload Py2Deb module, and so i can make an new version of PyPackager that can make compliant lintian error free packages that can be uploaded directly from the tablet to extras-devel | 10:42 |
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| qwerty12 | hrm | 10:43 |
| Makegho | I could bet the bgimage setter forgets to call free | 10:44 |
| yigal | I'm sorry I'm very dense, is the virtual sdk I've installed "ARMEL" so that what ever binaries I compile in there I can move over to the n800 and have a good chance of them working - command line of course? or something else? | 10:45 |
| yigal | or something else | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, what'd you encode that with? | 10:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: 770-encode | 10:45 |
| rm_you | with highly tweaked settings | 10:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 10:45 |
| rm_you | the predecessor to tablet-encode | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I know what it is. :P | 10:46 |
| * rm_you is still dubious about tablet-encode | 10:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The "Huh" was that I don't get that kind of quality out of my encodings. | 10:46 |
| rm_you | lol, what was the Huh for :P | 10:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 10:46 | |
| rm_you | lol | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're ridiculous. :P | 10:46 |
| rm_you | it... it haa a *GUI*. eww | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | tablet-encode isn't any different from 770-econde | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just handles edges cases better and has more features | 10:46 |
| khertan | must go on ... bye | 10:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't have to use it. <_< | 10:47 |
| rm_you | and it tried to be way too smart and do things i didn't tell it to do | 10:47 |
| irees | grumble... my ps3 can see my UPNP server, but not my tablet... | 10:47 |
| rm_you | irees: yeah i found i had to reboot <_< | 10:47 |
| burnte | holy crap | 10:47 |
| rm_you | dunno why | 10:47 |
| burnte | I jsut loaded one of my BSG rips into mplayer | 10:47 |
| burnte | nearly FLAWLESS | 10:47 |
| burnte | .a is impressed | 10:47 |
| burnte | er | 10:48 |
| * burnte is impressed | 10:48 | |
| yigal | thanks for not responding I see it's all in the manual, I just have to look at bit further :) | 10:49 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the first time I used tablet-encode, it cropped all of the subtitles out of my anime >_< | 10:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah, the cropping of tablet-encode sucks but there is a command line option for it not to crop. | 10:58 |
| rm_you | "remove parts of the video stream" should never be the default option for a video encoder <_< | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, use proper encoding options. :P | 10:58 |
| rm_you | I tried setting the option, but it still did odd things | 10:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | -o | 10:58 |
| rm_you | eventually i went in and removed parts of the code | 10:58 |
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| rm_you | so that it would function correctly | 10:59 |
| burnte | wow, that's really impressive.624*352 video playing full screen with almost no lag | 11:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | burnte, told you mplayer was good. ;) | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can get away with most reasonably sized *ahem* torrent vids. | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | I can vouch for that. | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as you're willing to put up with a little framedrop in the action scenes. | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I pretty much don't re-encode anymore. | 11:02 |
| burnte | GeneralAntilles: no idea wtf my problem was before then | 11:02 |
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| burnte | maybe something CPU heavy in the background | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | h.264. ;) | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or could be that. | 11:02 |
| burnte | maybe, lemme check that one | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really quite a capable video player despite what the naysayers claim. | 11:03 |
| burnte | I'm a happy dreamhost customer, I'm used to ignoring moron naysayers. | 11:03 |
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| burnte | yeah, that 264/aac vid sucks in mplayer, but divx/xvid is slick as hell | 11:05 |
| burnte | which means, pretty much everything else I own. | 11:05 |
| burnte | vp6 flvs could be better. :) | 11:06 |
| rm_you | I call that VP6Evil | 11:07 |
| burnte | yeah, but vids from hulu are in that | 11:07 |
| rm_you | it didnt even used to play at all | 11:07 |
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| irees | has anyone gotten UPNP in Canola 2 working? | 11:14 |
| befr0d | MOI | 11:14 |
| befr0d | oops, me | 11:14 |
| tank-man | irees, i think i did | 11:15 |
| irees | i can't find the package for gregale | 11:15 |
| tank-man | or was too slow | 11:15 |
| befr0d | irees, I used mediatomb upnp server, I think GeneralAntilles recommended it to me | 11:16 |
| tank-man | im using mythtv | 11:16 |
| irees | i have two upnp servers... mediatomb works with media streamer, medialink for OS X doesn't | 11:16 |
| rm_you | oo, now THAT would be awesome.... *had a thought* | 11:17 |
| rm_you | media-serv + upnp :) | 11:17 |
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| irees | are the "hacker editions" worth using or complete rubbish? i want to use os2007 on my 770 | 11:21 |
| rm_you | definitely use at least os2007HE | 11:21 |
| irees | k | 11:21 |
| rm_you | i've heard os2008HE is slow :/ | 11:21 |
| irees | there isn't a canola2-upnp for gregale | 11:21 |
| irees | so i'll try 2007he | 11:21 |
| rm_you | but i can't believe people are still using 2006 | 11:22 |
| irees | well, my friend at work bought the 770 with grant money a long time ago, and never used it.. just sat in his disk until i stole it | 11:22 |
| rm_you | heh | 11:22 |
| rm_you | well, it's about time for people with 770s to actually do a hardware upgrade <_< | 11:23 |
| irees | $$$ :) | 11:23 |
| rm_you | yeah, but n800s are like $200 | 11:23 |
| rm_you | possibly less | 11:23 |
| irees | if i was going to spend $200 i'd just get an iphone | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | Only thing about 770 that I like is that is uses a PREEMPT kernel :( | 11:23 |
| rm_you | what does that do? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Don't remember exactly but it can speed up video playback and sometimes helps it to play a video better than an N800. I compiled a PREEMPT N800 kernel but the N800 didn't like it and mce shut off my N800. | 11:25 |
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| rm_you | lol | 11:26 |
| rm_you | can turn off watchdog... | 11:26 |
| rm_you | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-MINT-OS2008-fm-radio-skype_W0QQitemZ230270262543QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230270262543&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 | 11:26 |
| qwerty12 | Wasn't a watchdog problem :) | 11:26 |
| rm_you | hrm odd | 11:27 |
| qwerty12 | Things like the Wlan driver refused to load etc | 11:28 |
| rm_you | anyways, n800s are like $150 - $175 on ebay | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, if I'm uploading a package to extras, would I change the maintainer's name to my name? | 11:29 |
| irees | ooh pretty | 11:29 |
| irees | can the n800/n810 charge over usdb? | 11:30 |
| irees | usb | 11:30 |
| rm_you | not without modifications | 11:30 |
| burnte | which is a little diappointing... | 11:31 |
| burnte | disappointing, too. | 11:31 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | It seems to be an nokia standard :(. All the nokia's I've had use a seperate charger to the usb port. | 11:31 |
| burnte | maybe they just couldn't fit it in with all the awesome they stuck in it. | 11:31 |
| lcuk_zzz | get a usb->nokia charge socket. it works. but imagine if you HAD to use the usb slot to charge... how would you charge up and use (for instance) a usb keyboard or hub? | 11:32 |
| burnte | "If we put in cirtuitry to charge from USB, it'll start leaking awesome everywhere, or worse, blow up." | 11:32 |
| rm_you | well you can just bridge some things with a little bit of wire and solder... so it's easily possible >_> | 11:32 |
| burnte | "Can we remove some of the awesome to make room?" | 11:32 |
| burnte | "No sir, the only way to decrease wesome is to add suck." | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | My SE's though, do like to charge from usb though. Which is nice but they use a propitiatory port. | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | oops, seem to have spelt that wrong :/ | 11:32 |
| burnte | proprietary | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, that's the word, thanks. | 11:33 |
| lcuk_zzz | SE's arent designed to do both at once. the nokia can have devices on the usb whilst charging | 11:33 |
| burnte | np | 11:33 |
| irees | how do i select text to copy in the browser | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk_zzz, i dunno, my nokia phones cant. | 11:33 |
| rm_you | click once and then again and drag | 11:33 |
| rm_you | hard to explain possibly | 11:33 |
| rm_you | it' | 11:33 |
| lcuk_zzz | oh yer, im awake.. | 11:34 |
| rm_you | it's a little finicky | 11:34 |
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| lcuk | just | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | heh, 'morning | 11:34 |
| GAN800 | 500mA isn't enough to charge a tablet quickly. | 11:34 |
| lcuk | but it is enough to charge it | 11:34 |
| irees | my blackberry charges over usb just fine | 11:34 |
| GAN800 | besides, the usb is for connrecting peripherals, not charging. ;) | 11:35 |
| lcuk | but your blackberry is not a usb host | 11:35 |
| glass | it would be nice if it was possible to charge from both usb and charger plug | 11:35 |
| glass | it wouldn't need that much or that smart electronics to the usb side connector | 11:35 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, not all the time though. 890mA isn't enough to cover the tablet's power requirements sometimes. | 11:36 |
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| burnte | I have my n810 hooked to a deisel generator. MORE POWER | 11:36 |
| burnte | hrnm | 11:36 |
| lcuk | i think the old charger i use downstairs is only 500ma | 11:36 |
| glass | cowbell | 11:36 |
| burnte | is there a way to overclock the CPU? :) | 11:37 |
| irees | i overclocked the cpu on my phone once | 11:37 |
| lcuk | yes, just run something that needs the power | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | irees, N-gage? | 11:37 |
| GAN800 | Not unless you want to fry things. | 11:37 |
| lcuk | it overclocks from 166mhz all the way upto 400 | 11:37 |
| irees | my other phone, a samsung blackjack | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I overclocked my N-gage once :) | 11:37 |
| burnte | qwerty12: So it sucked faster? :) | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I never used it for calling anyway, most of the numbers didn't work :P. Quite fun for games though. | 11:38 |
| lcuk | burnte, why use dirty power. just ask for an RTG in your nokia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator ) | 11:38 |
| burnte | lcuk: Nah, I jsut have this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/zero.shtml | 11:39 |
| burnte | the cool thing is that the radiation gives me a healthy glow, and the waste powers my fusion reactor. | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade, ping | 11:40 |
| lcuk | burnte, wouldn't you need a zero point gravity energy manipulator to carry that? | 11:41 |
| lcuk | damn, -gravity | 11:42 |
| lcuk | http://www.gearlog.com/2007/04/the_zeropoint_energy_manipulat.php | 11:42 |
| burnte | lcuk: No, your standard antigrav hand truck works fine, as long as you don't make any shart turns in 4 dimensions. | 11:42 |
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| burnte | time to put the n810 and myself in sleep mode | 11:44 |
| lcuk | sleep well, and i hope neither of you suffer early battery drain | 11:44 |
| lcuk | i think im goin back to bed as well | 11:45 |
| lbt | hi lcuk: last night I caught "why are you removing it then using it". remove() isn't delete. It's a member function of the parent and just removes a (non-counted) pointer. | 11:48 |
| lbt | anyway - sleep well :) | 11:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:04 |
| lbt | morning | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | moorning | 12:10 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I was about to make the same revert of easyroot/becomeroot on 'Root_access' with a very similar comment :-) | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | You may want to add that easyroot has exactly the same functionalty as becomeroot. In a time where (stupidly) more people recommend becomeroot, users may get confused. | 12:19 |
| * RST38h recommends ssh - being root from a remote computer with full sized kbd is SOOO much more satisfying... | 12:21 | |
| qwerty12 | ""Public SSH keys" section of your garage account maintenance page. " - Ok, so I clicked the link. Where the F*** is the SSH section? Or does it only appear when I level up in the game? | 12:22 |
| RST38h | have to kill the boss | 12:23 |
| RST38h | I guess the boss is x-fade | 12:23 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: when i had to change my key, X-Fade had to re-invite me >_> | 12:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Do I have to wait for an invite before the SSH section is shown? | 12:24 |
| lardman | Guten Morgen! | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, good morning :) | 12:24 |
| rm_you | Guten tag, lardman :) | 12:24 |
| rm_you | Wie gehts? | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Yep, the page that lets you change keys is only available by invitation | 12:24 |
| lardman | not bad thanks, you? | 12:24 |
| * rm_you has now used up all of the Deutsch he knows :P | 12:24 | |
| RST38h | lardman moo | 12:24 |
| lardman | RST38h: baaa | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, rm_you : Ah, thanks. | 12:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty be prepared to ask for invitation multiple times | 12:25 |
| rm_you | very bored >_> I'm just sitting watching anime <_< | 12:25 |
| RST38h | because entering keys does not work very well | 12:25 |
| qwerty12 | I shall flood X-Fade's email. And then get killed by X-Fade. | 12:25 |
| rm_you | it would be helpful if the page gave examples of how they are supposed to be formatted | 12:26 |
| RST38h | wont help you | 12:26 |
| RST38h | looks like the server is very picky about carriage returns including ones after the key | 12:27 |
| RST38h | get one of them wrong (and it is real easy with html form) - and the key does not work | 12:27 |
| qwerty12 | Arrgh, thanks for the warning :/ | 12:27 |
| * RST38h isnt sure why maemo.org guys cant just strip all control chars from entered data | 12:29 | |
| RST38h | it is dead simple | 12:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Seems like gpg doesn't like me: "Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 276 more bytes) | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | " - I've done a lot more and it seems to hang on me :) | 12:34 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry. | 12:34 |
| rm_you | can take several minutes sometimes :/ | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | I guess it doesn't help that I'm doing it under andLinux :). I think I'll reparitition my hard disk for ubuntu (again!). | 12:36 |
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| RST38h | just to generate a key* | 12:37 |
| RST38h | ? | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I've been thinking about it for a while anyway. I miss Linux. | 12:38 |
| * qwerty12 <3 tux | 12:38 | |
| rm_you | fun read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_problems_solved_by_MacGyver | 12:39 |
| rm_you | :P | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras contains a link to the *second* account mgmt page | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | That's where I went, but I think rm_you & RST38h got it, I need to wait for an invite (never tried uploading to extras-devel before) | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: have you applied for an invite? | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | There's a web form so you don't have to wait and grab X-Fade when he's online (again, link to that wiki page ;-)) | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, I'm waiting for it. I thought the SSH section would have been independent to an invite :) | 12:43 |
| lardman | rm_you: am reading and remembering now :) | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | The path to extras submission should really be shortened. There is absolutely no need for invitation to enter ssh keys etc | 12:45 |
| RST38h | should just be available from maemo.org account settings | 12:46 |
| melmoth | qwerty12: generate some dis activity, such as "find /" | 12:46 |
| zap | Jaffa: the second page contains fields for enering your SSH and GPG keys | 12:47 |
| * qwerty12 finds my dvd with partition magic on it and removes andlinux | 12:47 | |
| RST38h | well, I guess it is useless to complain, seeing how the process becomes more complicated with each iteration | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | melmoth, good idea, thanks | 12:47 |
| zap | Jaffa: I couldn't find a way to open that page from garage | 12:47 |
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| * qwerty12 looks forward to using tablet-encode again. Best encoder for the tablets I've ever used. | 12:48 | |
| RST38h | used it once. it crashed consistently | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | zap: Yes. For some reason it's a hidden link | 12:49 |
| RST38h | worked around the crash somehow (dont remember how), encoded at best quality setting, got crappy result | 12:49 |
| RST38h | back to mencoder now | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: A problem some people had with the GUI version has been fixed in v2.19. | 12:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: that must have been it then. | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | The CLI version has never had any problems. But, thanks for the bug report | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I guess you may want to add more presets though | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | (AFAIK, anyway) | 12:50 |
| rm_you | just use 770-encode, it doesn't have a GUI to mess things up :) | 12:50 |
| RST38h | mencoder works just as well | 12:51 |
| rm_you | yeah, cause that's what 770-encode / tablet-encode use | 12:51 |
| * Jaffa doesn't want to overcomplicate things with too many presets, 5 or so is the right number, and tweaking those to be the best possible is ideal. Anyway, you can add new presets trivially yourself in a separate config file. | 12:51 | |
| RST38h | I can just as well use mencoder though | 12:51 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'd be interested to see your mencoder settings since there's no reason tablet-encode shouldn't be as good or better (since it can do a lot of the calculations for you) | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Arg, I can't find my Ubuntu 8.10 CD. Instead I found Kubuntu 6.10 >.< | 12:52 |
| rm_you | blegh | 12:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:52 |
| Veggen | 8.10? | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Oops, 8.04 | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: Ubuntu 8.10 won't be released until October, so you'll probably not have a CD for it yet ;-) | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, it was a typo. a typo I tell you! | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: what calculations? I just tell it the desired birate, thats all | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | tablet-encode is a wrapper, change its presets. | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bam, done. | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: what if you want to scale it to maximise the bitrate per pixel? What if the source audio doesn't need transcoding? What if the source *video* doesn't need transcoding? What if you want to do 2-pass? What if you want to do a number of videos simultaneously? | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | Ooh, and more (related to DVD ripping): what if you want to rip a film off a DVD and need to know the track to rip? What if the DVD's default language isn't the one you want? What if you want to rip a DVD of TV episodes, but none of the extra features? | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I am stupid and just want it to play:) | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: That's fine :) | 13:00 |
| RST38h | No dvd drive in my laptop, just one cpu core | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: tablet-encode is so much better than 770-encode now, it's untrue (IMNHSO ;-)) | 13:00 |
| RST38h | So all these wonderful options are kinda useless for me | 13:00 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, don't use the gui. problem solved. :eyeroll: | 13:01 |
| rm_you | yeah, it just does way TOO much (especially things that are just... evil... like auto-cropping) | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | I disagree, unless all the videos you ever transcode are a good resolution for the tablet but super-high bitrate, you'll be getting sub-optimal results. | 13:01 |
| rm_you | it does a decent job once you figure out the right options | 13:01 |
| GAN800 | -o | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: feh, 770-encode's optimisation algorithm is the same as tablet-encodes, and there's -o as GAN800 says. | 13:02 |
| rm_you | but in no way should *removing parts of the video stream* be a default | 13:02 |
| Jaffa | Then you add it to your ~/.tablet-encode.conf so it's always used. | 13:02 |
| rm_you | oh, i cut out most of that manually... it was doing very odd things | 13:02 |
| * GAN800 pokes the irrational people with a sharpened stick. | 13:03 | |
| rm_you | my custom version of 770-encode is pretty much just mencoder batch processor | 13:03 |
| rm_you | and remembers my presets | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | tablet-encode does that too | 13:03 |
| rm_you | GAN800: yeah, and you saw how good the videos it produced are | 13:03 |
| RST38h | not a good idea to poke irrational people | 13:03 |
| rm_you | yeah, and it does all kinds of stuff "automatically", because it thinks it is smarter than I am >_> | 13:04 |
| GAN800 | I do it all the time, RST38h. :P | 13:04 |
| rm_you | i dont mind using it once I chopped out all of the automatic changes it was doing without asking me | 13:04 |
| RST38h | and no physical injury so far? | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: if there's a single thing your 770-encode hacked version does that tablet-encode can't do through setting up a config file, I'll add it this weekend - FREE OF CHARGE! | 13:04 |
| rm_you | i liked 770-encode, because it was optional :P | 13:04 |
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| Jaffa | rm_you: and it's still optional in tablet-encode! There's no difference in the fundamentals between them except the name. It just got renamed, everything else is still the same - and optional. Just more so. | 13:05 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: don't really know what it does EXTRA... i basically just REMOVED a lot of stuff it was doing <_< | 13:05 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, there's no arguing with irrationality. :P | 13:06 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: cropping / aspect ratio changes should never be default. | 13:06 |
| rm_you | yes, i realize it is an option | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: indeed. I'm just saying that with the latest version you don't need to remove anything. You can change the defaults through a config file. | 13:06 |
| rm_you | so have it be an option to crop / change aspect ratio | 13:06 |
| RST38h | rm-you is right | 13:06 |
| RST38h | shouldnt maim image unless specifically asked to | 13:07 |
| rm_you | like, in 770-encode, a lot of the stuff that is now default was in "-experimental" | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: and I disagree given the tablet's screen constraints. | 13:07 |
| GAN800 | Cropping is evil. | 13:07 |
| rm_you | removing portions of the video is NEVER ok | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: no it's not. Most of what was in -experimental was removed cos it exposed bugs in mencoder. | 13:07 |
| RST38h | what constraints? 800x480 is not constrained | 13:07 |
| RST38h | 320x240 is | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: no, but ~4" is. | 13:08 |
| RST38h | ? | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, or if you were like me and used to watch them on a W810, 176x144 >.< :P | 13:08 |
| rm_you | .... | 13:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I would buy a new phone. | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: oh you mean physical size | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I got n80 :). But I use my tablet now to watch vids. | 13:09 |
| RST38h | n80 is almost as good as e70=) | 13:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: well just look from closer distance | 13:10 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: if you think cropping video is ok, you are definitely in the minority <_< | 13:10 |
| rm_you | and it is fine to provide the option | 13:10 |
| GAN800 | Cropping is evil. | 13:10 |
| rm_you | yes... | 13:10 |
| * qwerty12 goes into the majority of people who do not like cropping. I think tablet-encode makes a perfectly good video file without cropping. | 13:10 | |
| RST38h | benq tv does an interesting operation | 13:11 |
| rm_you | when i switched from 770-encode to tablet-encode, i lost the subtitles on like three series of anime before i realized what it was doing | 13:11 |
| RST38h | it stretches but does so unequally | 13:11 |
| GAN800 | "This film has been formatted to better fit your TV." <- EVIL | 13:11 |
| rm_you | because the default functionality switched to cropping insanity | 13:11 |
| rm_you | that is probably why i am still so annoyed with it | 13:11 |
| RST38h | center of the frame stays unchanged but there is gradually more stretching toward left right edges | 13:12 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, lot of HDTVs do that. Makes me dizzy. | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | Sigh. I don't think cropping video is "ok". I think the tablets are a special case. I've done actual usability studies on tablet-encode and - shock - the *majority* of dumb users are dumb. And like having the default do the best thing for watching what they watch on a tablet. Power users and videoophiles who don't mind watching pillarboxes on a 4" screen can change the default behaviour, or override it on a per-video basis. 4" screens are not the same as 32" | 13:12 |
| rm_you | that sounds... odd | 13:12 |
| rm_you | but might work | 13:12 |
| RST38h | ga: it does, when camera rotates inside a room | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: that's not unique to that telly, loads of them do it and it's fairly crap. | 13:12 |
| RST38h | ga: but in most otther cases it works relatively well | 13:12 |
| GAN800 | RSt38h, I'm a purist about that stuff. Hate it. ;) | 13:13 |
| rm_you | i would like to see that at least once... though it is probably a horrible idea, reallu | 13:13 |
| rm_you | *really | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: I'll say it again: 770-ENCODE HAS ALWAYS HAD THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY BY DEFAULT. You do realise tablet-encode is just a name changed version of 770-encode, right? | 13:13 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: yes | 13:13 |
| RST38h | well, benq also leaves the original option available | 13:13 |
| GAN800 | My 30" Sharp from 2003 did it. | 13:13 |
| rm_you | I was very excited about the upgrade at first | 13:14 |
| rm_you | and no, 770-encode never auto-cropped my videos | 13:14 |
| GAN800 | -o | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: your hacked version might not have, but the original version did. | 13:14 |
| GAN800 | Problem solved. | 13:14 |
| rm_you | yes GA, -o. | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | Trust me, I wrote it. I've got the source here. I can trace the lines of code all the way back to the original version. | 13:15 |
| rm_you | Yes, I know you did :) | 13:15 |
| rm_you | And I really love 770-encode, so thank you :) | 13:15 |
| rm_you | I posted a few times with suggestions back then, and i think you did a very excellent job with most of it | 13:16 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: maybe you can add a giant image of n810 with a preview video so that users can preview how it will look? | 13:17 |
| rm_you | and there's no way that everyone can agree on exactly how certain things should be done | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Boo, N800 | 13:17 |
| RST38h | this way you can add more ui options without compromising simplicity | 13:17 |
| rm_you | I just don't think that it is a good idea to do destructive operations by default. ESPECIALLY with "dumb users" in mind | 13:17 |
| RST38h | qwerty: gone now :) | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | >.< :P | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | Anyway, gtg (partition magic awaits :)). Bye :) | 13:18 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: One of the other video encoders does that - and surrounds it with loads of intimidating and complicated looking options. It looks cheap & nasty IMHO. A Handbrake-style preview in the GUI version would be fine. In fact, the earlier versions of Handbrake is an ideal form of GUI; especially with customised cropping. | 13:18 |
| RST38h | havent seen it | 13:18 |
| RST38h | but there is no need to add lots of cheap options | 13:19 |
| RST38h | just a few with good explanations will do the job: | 13:19 |
| RST38h | 1. Crop video so that it better fits the screen (may lose some features) | 13:19 |
| RST38h | 2. Stretch video to better fit the screen (may distort some features) | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | Absolutely agreed 100%. As I say, the GUI is currently very basic and you can't even edit the options. I'd even be very happy to make the GUI version default to '-o' because you can give clear examples etc. | 13:20 |
| rm_you | 0. Leave video aspect the hell alone. | 13:21 |
| RST38h | 3. Keep video intact (may add black edges) | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | Even mockups of a better GUI, rather than an implementation, would be very much appreciated. (I can recommend Pencil for such tasks: http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html ) | 13:21 |
| GAN800 | rm_you, the brightness updates got really slow. I just locked it up for about 15 seconds with queued updates. . . . | 13:21 |
| rm_you | GAN800: >_> what were you doing to it? | 13:22 |
| rm_you | GAN800: have you tried "Pencil"? | 13:22 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, needs hildon widgets. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | jaffa: I can mock it up if this is what you want | 13:22 |
| rm_you | GAN800: couldn't you fake it? | 13:22 |
| GAN800 | Tap the brightness slider a few times in rapid succession. | 13:23 |
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| GAN800 | Easier to just use Photoshop if I'm trying to fake it. | 13:23 |
| RST38h | may need a few days though as I am abroad | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: that'd be very much appreciated. A simple, easy-to-understand, but flexible GUI is definitely something I'd like; but haven't got the time to think about (let alone implement). Having someone else do the design might prompt me to do the implementation | 13:23 |
| RST38h | are you using c/gtk? | 13:23 |
| rm_you | GAN800: yeah, i see it... this is why i used the other type of bar (HildonControlbar)... it had a feature that the volume bars don't have, which is only changing once the user stops movin git | 13:24 |
| rm_you | is it Perl/TK? | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Perl/GTK | 13:24 |
| RST38h | ok | 13:24 |
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| GAN800 | rm_you, now that the whole applet is wider, it'd probably work better without the overlapping squares. | 13:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The +\- soft buttons on the the brightness slider really need to be either configurable or changed to 1-unit increments. | 13:29 |
| rm_you | I will look into that | 13:29 |
| rm_you | I agree | 13:29 |
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| rm_you | anyway, if i don't put it back as a controlbar, I can at least implement something similar to what I did with the volume beep, to make it change less often... | 13:32 |
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| MM79 | hi all, tried to upgrade to diablo | 14:31 |
| MM79 | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 14:32 |
| MM79 | USB device found found at bus 003, device address 004 | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0805 | 14:32 |
| MM79 | NOLO version 1.1.16 | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Sending xloader image (9 kB)... | 14:32 |
| MM79 | 100% (9 of 9 kB, avg. 500 kB/s) | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Sending secondary image (98 kB)... | 14:32 |
| MM79 | 100% (98 of 98 kB, avg. 4684 kB/s) | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Flashing bootloader... done. | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Sending kernel image (1500 kB)... | 14:32 |
| MM79 | 100% (1500 of 1500 kB, avg. 10873 kB/s) | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Flashing kernel... done. | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Sending initfs image (2233 kB)... | 14:32 |
| MM79 | 100% (2233 of 2233 kB, avg. 11394 kB/s) | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Flashing initfs... done. | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Sending and flashing rootfs image (122112 kB)... | 14:32 |
| MM79 | 100% (122112 of 122112 kB, avg. 47755 kB/s) | 14:32 |
| MM79 | Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed: Protocol error | 14:32 |
| MM79 | what is the problem here | 14:32 |
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| lardman | MM79: I think you should be ok | 14:52 |
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| lardman | have a nice weekend chaps | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | lbt, it just looked wrong, i havent been sleeping - nice to relax and read | 15:14 |
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| lopz | hi | 15:25 |
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| crashanddie | Yo Maemo | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | hi lopz | 15:30 |
| lopz | heya crashanddie ! | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk | 15:30 |
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| MM79 | lardman: N810 is not booting. shows only first few pixels of green loading bar then stops | 15:43 |
| RST38h | loading bar is blue. | 15:45 |
| MM79 | it used to be, but it is a very small peace. | 15:47 |
| MM79 | so it should be blue still :) hmmm | 15:48 |
| RST38h | you are using custom kernel? | 15:48 |
| MM79 | no download from nokia site | 15:49 |
| MM79 | dont get the bar anymore | 15:49 |
| MM79 | only the white nokia screen | 15:49 |
| lcuk | :D heh, bonus i just found £20 in my jeans | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | thats whopping $40 nowadays | 15:51 |
| RST38h | or just rur1000 | 15:51 |
| lcuk | its my money anyway but always good to find unexpected money | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | mm79: my guess is, flashing it was unsuccessful | 15:52 |
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| MM79 | no kidding :), now what | 15:54 |
| RST38h | well, reflash | 15:56 |
| RST38h | connect to windoze machine via usb, power down, power up with swap button pressed | 15:57 |
| RST38h | when it goes into recovery mode run windoze flashing program | 15:57 |
| MM79 | I have no windows at the moment, will try at my parents, thanks | 15:57 |
| RST38h | follow all instructions, DO NOT POWER DOWN UNTIL FINISHED | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, hows the repo business goin | 16:06 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no idea. will have to check when I get back from .lt | 16:09 |
| RST38h | may try it before that, but not very optimistic on it | 16:09 |
| lcuk | you in lithuania? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | in addition to all the repo trouble, sb2 still does not have diablo bootstrap | 16:10 |
| RST38h | yep | 16:10 |
| lcuk | cool, you meeting with other devs there or just havin a holiday | 16:10 |
| RST38h | vacation, with my family | 16:11 |
| lcuk | excellent, im not allowed internet when on holiday :) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | they keep me pretty busy though, so unless anyone wants to drop by Palanga to have some tea... | 16:11 |
| * RST38h isnt asking permission | 16:12 | |
| lcuk | lol | 16:12 |
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| RST38h | No internet? well, no calling home then! | 16:12 |
| lcuk | i spend so much time faffing a holiday is a break from all that | 16:12 |
| lcuk | i almost got in trouble this year when it was discovered i had an IDE on my nokia :D | 16:13 |
| RST38h | I have got two kids. WORK is a break from that, as far as I am concerned | 16:13 |
| lcuk | same here, ive got the smallest pushing me to play whilst im talking now.. | 16:13 |
| lcuk | we have puzzlefarter on :D | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: I now see why you develop on the tablet :) | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | well i dont have big computer all the time and the tablet *is* capable enough to | 16:17 |
| lcuk | its just frustrating that the ide speed is not upto where i want it - hence the editor seedling in liqbase. i would like to have my cake and eat it too | 16:17 |
| RST38h | I develop on a subnotebook - have been using them for years now | 16:17 |
| lcuk | i think ill be grabbing one of the elonex machines when they become avalbelai | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: btw one use for liqbase would be a superfast full screen terminal | 16:18 |
| lcuk | even if its just for the kids | 16:18 |
| lcuk | theres lots of uses for it | 16:18 |
| RST38h | no need for an editor this way - you can use any console based editor or ide | 16:18 |
| lcuk | but console based editors are page based | 16:19 |
| lcuk | they dont show me a 4000 line document in a floating screen with scrollbars | 16:19 |
| lcuk | they show me a single page | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | i *did* think about doing irc in it | 16:19 |
| lcuk | scrollback would rule | 16:19 |
| RST38h | yes, but this way you wont need to write your own - writing a good editor is hard | 16:19 |
| rm_you | lcuk: present yourself to the apps as ridiculously huge? | 16:20 |
| rm_you | then they would show you one 999999999 line page? | 16:20 |
| RST38h | rmyou - is right | 16:20 |
| lcuk | im actively looking at writing the baseline stuff to interface a widgetset | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: gtk? | 16:20 |
| lcuk | whichever looks easiest when i get time, but yer it wouldnt be unfeasible | 16:21 |
| RST38h | wait there is some kind of fb based x11 implemented as a library - maybe use that? | 16:21 |
| lcuk | at least for a proof of concept - i doubt i could get something under x11 easily, but a widget set might be doable | 16:21 |
| RST38h | I kind of suspect gtk is the REASON for poor performance not its victim | 16:22 |
| lcuk | by the way, a SUPER speedboost would be simplest for our tablets if i did make x11 greyscale | 16:22 |
| RST38h | would suck | 16:22 |
| lcuk | depends if you are colorblind of not ;) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | would suck still | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | a lot of colors will end up being the same even for color blind guys | 16:23 |
| lcuk | suck? howso - it would be fullspeed and linux/x11 core approves of greyscale framebuffers | 16:23 |
| RST38h | you want to do 8bpp grayscale? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | depends on if it would have power savings to be greyscale and it is a -very- noticable performance change :P | 16:24 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, have you seen liqbase | 16:24 |
| lcuk | there is a VERY noticable performance increase | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not yet, i've seen the video though | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | been playing too much with nit debian | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:24 |
| lcuk | well the framebuffer easily supports 800*480 25fps | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | looks quite nice though | 16:25 |
| lcuk | the reason why i would suggest greyscale x11 over color is there are numerous problems converting RGB->YUV which are sidesteeped by just using grey | 16:26 |
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| lcuk | its jsut an idea though, that would boost ALL apps on the device | 16:27 |
| * RST38h has to transition from gtkimage to framebuffer | 16:27 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: tried doing xomap with greyscale though? | 16:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i started with the omapfb framebuffer, but now a few months after changing to Xv i am glad because it means I can take the code and use it on other machines | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | / yuv | 16:28 |
| lcuk | if i had done it on omapfb it would be locked to the device | 16:28 |
| RST38h | yuv is ok with me | 16:29 |
| RST38h | not with vgba though | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i havent really looked at xomap, should i be | 16:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the more i use yuv the more i like it | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no clue.. just wondering if it would be possible to make a interface based on those things, but i'm just babbling :) | 16:30 |
| lcuk | babble away, without discussion things wont change | 16:31 |
| lcuk | ive found a decent enough route to quick graphics and want to share the love with the rest of the ecosystem :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu mobile in greyscale? *ducks* | 16:32 |
| lcuk | no, but liqbase sketching and other stuff in fullcolor yuv sounds nice | 16:32 |
| lcuk | but i cant talk about things like that for now ;) | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 16:33 |
| lcuk | especially not in relation to other devices | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | coffee, buying cigarettes, all that | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | lol crashanddie enjoy the rush | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | oh. cig. *goes out on his terrace* | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | rush ? | 16:33 |
| lcuk | smoking after so long | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | well | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | I had a pipe | 16:33 |
| lcuk | "its always worse when you are forced to do it" <<< forced to stop smoking | 16:33 |
| lcuk | cheat | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | and a tiny bit of tobacco left | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | so I smoked a whole cig in about 2 seconds, and I was "high" | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> lol crashanddie enjoy the rush <<<<< | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | should do it more often, lol | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | aye, I got it :P | 16:35 |
| lcuk | right, time to code :) | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | cheers | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | btw | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | I got France's map ! | 16:35 |
| * lcuk tosses a coin: liqwww.c or liqgame.c | 16:35 | |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | game is prolly more fun | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | but fast www rendering could be interesting too | 16:37 |
| lcuk | game is my generic testbed for ideas - it is where i spin out ideas from | 16:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes, its been in my mind for a while - ive been looking for a simple html parser/layout engine to confirm proof of concept | 16:38 |
| lcuk | since nothing "simple" is around i started to write my own | 16:38 |
| lcuk | once i show it can be done someone will nodoubt say "hmmm theres another library that can do that" | 16:38 |
| lcuk | and use that instead and we get super web | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: take a look at Netsurf | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | Simple, reusable, embeddable CSS-supporting browser (no DOM or JavaScript) with pluggable front-ends (RISC OS and Gtk+ supported ATM) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | just grabbed it now, if it looks ok ill see about pluggign it in, but if i have to spend weeks learning the library i havent got time | 16:40 |
| lcuk | thanks jaffa | 16:40 |
| Jaffa | Writing your own HTML renderer from scratch - for anything other than simple renderings will almost certainly be a lot of wasted time & effort. | 16:41 |
| lcuk | the renderer is putting text and lines and pictures in the right palce | 16:41 |
| lcuk | the layout engine is the difficult part | 16:41 |
| lcuk | im only thinking simple stuff anyway for the book reader | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | Fair enough. | 16:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yuv actually has problems | 16:42 |
| lcuk | oh noes, what problems | 16:42 |
| RST38h | severe problems with standard definition | 16:42 |
| lcuk | what do you mean | 16:43 |
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| RST38h | if you look at ccir yuv standard (used for digital signal transmission to lcds, tv encoders etc) | 16:43 |
| RST38h | you will see that some component values are prohibited | 16:44 |
| RST38h | like they span to 248 only or something similar | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | this usually causes uneven implementation by different vendors - one guys yuv looks a bit different than others | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | and it is real easy to screw up when you convert from rgb and there is a rounding error | 16:46 |
| lcuk | and? i dont think we have ever had perfect color reproduction between many systems anyway have we for a long time | 16:46 |
| RST38h | rgb is pretty portable | 16:46 |
| lcuk | not really, rgb0,0,0 is not guaranteed to be black on all systems | 16:47 |
| RST38h | it is yuv and hsv that cause most problems | 16:47 |
| RST38h | well, if you mean lcds, yes | 16:47 |
| RST38h | but this lcd related crap is unavoidable when you hardware uses backlight | 16:47 |
| lcuk | in otherwords, whatever rounding errors there may be with a conversion between RGB and YUV wont make that much difference | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | Atleast in h264 there's a bit-exact spec on the (I)DCT now, hopefully the YUV colourspace is also well defined and not left up to the implementation :-) | 16:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: oh they do | 16:48 |
| lcuk | i mean: EVERY single jpeg you look at has been converted from RGB to YUV and back again - the file is stored as YUV | 16:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: jpeg - yes | 16:48 |
| RST38h | but look at video files | 16:49 |
| lcuk | which are also yuv | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK_ | It's not the same yuv :-) | 16:49 |
| RST38h | see how much color they lose due to yuv color space truncation | 16:49 |
| lcuk | AND? i click red, i get red | 16:49 |
| RST38h | you put in green - you get out faded green : | 16:49 |
| lcuk | i want RGB(255,0,0) into YUV, its gonna still be pretty much red however badly i screwup a conversion | 16:50 |
| RST38h | yea | 16:50 |
| lcuk | not necessarily | 16:50 |
| RST38h | that one will be fine | 16:50 |
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| ShadowJK_ | The fun starts when you have one guy doing RGB(255,255,255) to Y 248, then the other guy does Y 248 -> RGB(248,248,248)... | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | anyways, yuv is not as evil as I may have made it look | 16:51 |
| zap | hehe, bluetooth headset: http://retrobluetooth.com/handset1.jpg | 16:51 |
| lcuk | your tablet brightness might be down more than mine - the green would be darker on yours than mine: human eyes cope with variation quite well and as long as its not glaringly obviously wrong people wont care | 16:51 |
| RST38h | but you have to be VERY careful with it | 16:51 |
| rm_you | rounding errors!? pft, the worst that could cause is +/- one color value per translation.... | 16:51 |
| lcuk | lol RST38h :D i like that comment | 16:51 |
| RST38h | rm/you: not exactly , not with yuv | 16:52 |
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| rm_you | RGB 125,157,34 might end up something like 124,158,33 >_> | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK_ | I've seen TV set-top boxes do it right on SCART, wrong on HDMI (presumably the TV fucked it up in that case)... | 16:52 |
| lcuk | it will still be in the ballpark: the fun comes if you switch the chroma channels | 16:52 |
| rm_you | if you translate 4 times, it could get off up to +/- 4... but it could also average out the errors... | 16:52 |
| RST38h | sjk <- essentially right | 16:53 |
| lcuk | i understand theres lots of stuff, but im not going for perfection :) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | wb johnx | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK_ | Oh oops, the range was 16 - 235 :-) | 16:53 |
| RST38h | hehe | 16:53 |
| lcuk | yer, and NTSC is a different range to PAL | 16:53 |
| RST38h | and god prohibit you from going under 16 | 16:53 |
| RST38h | cause some tvs will take it as blanking signal and go nuts | 16:54 |
| rm_you | i can barely distinguish the difference if a color value is off by like 3 units, especially if it's in video (moving around with a bunch of other colors).... | 16:54 |
| RST38h | NTSC = Never The Same Color | 16:54 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps :D | 16:54 |
| RST38h | uses HSV | 16:54 |
| rm_you | johnx: yeah, why have you been away again? :P | 16:55 |
| lcuk | but SURELY the clipping and scaling would be done from the digital->analog convertor box before it goes on the wire. i mean i can tell it to show RGB(0,0,0) and rgb(255,255,255) and it knows to clip it | 16:55 |
| RST38h | encodes most sensitive component (H) in the most error prone way | 16:55 |
| johnx | rm_you, you mean, like not online for the last 12 hours? :P | 16:55 |
| rm_you | johnx: haven't seen you on irc in days <_< maybe i've just been sleeping at the wrong times | 16:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: a lot of embedded devices work directly with yuv no rgb there | 16:56 |
| rm_you | i did sleep for 16 hours... that was nice | 16:56 |
| lcuk | rm_you, http://xkcd.com/ | 16:56 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 16:56 |
| rm_you | i pasted that earlier | 16:56 |
| lcuk | good :P | 16:56 |
| rm_you | ima start doing that | 16:56 |
| lcuk | RST38h, cool | 16:56 |
| lcuk | i spent a long time in the mid atlantic | 16:56 |
| rm_you | may have to code up an app on my n800 that will tell me which timezone i'm waking up in :) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | anyway, back later - thers code to be done | 16:57 |
| RST38h | actually sucks a lot trying to get right colors on all different tvs | 16:57 |
| ShadowJK_ | lcuk, the issue is with the thing that does YUV->RGB, either the TV doing it itself when eating HDMI, for example, or a software converter in a computer or a hardware convert in a computer... If it's expecting full range YUV and it gets Video YUV range instead (16...235), then the RGB range will also fall inside 16...235 instead of 0...255 | 16:57 |
| RST38h | I had to use an ancient but color perfect sony trinitron to debug | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: installer now with cfdisk partitioner and mkfs if the user so wishes it | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | It's not even possible with all device combinations either. Some digital set top boxes put out rgb in the smaller range, and output nice yuv over hdmi, but your TV in turn decides to mess up the conversion :-) | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | most people don't notice though | 16:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, and again with the rocking! | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: and bme-dbus-proxy was dpkg-repack'able, so we have that too now | 16:59 |
| lcuk | thats down to conjiguration of the tv: if that occurs doesnt it make sense to be able to say "data over X Wire is (full/clipped), data over Y Wire is (full/clipped)" | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: next step is prolly porting "powered" from powerlaunch so we have something that speaks DSME | 17:00 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ah, cool. I didn't even look at the dbus stuff. It seemed a little out of my depth | 17:00 |
| rm_you | exactly the key there... MOST PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE.... | 17:00 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, that makes sense | 17:00 |
| rm_you | it's barely noticable! | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK_ | lcuk, yes but most TVs don't have such features, they call it "user friendly" to not present tunables to users :-) | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK_ | I wouldn't call it clipped anyway | 17:00 |
| * lcuk doesnt even know why this was brought up in the first place - yuv works great for me | 17:00 | |
| ShadowJK_ | The yuv scaler on N810 probably has no tunable either? :-) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | it just isnt practical without IVA help to do rgb/yuv conversions | 17:01 |
| lcuk | it has no seperate input | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK_ | ? | 17:01 |
| lcuk | it uses full range | 17:02 |
| lcuk | if it had another input which supplied full or clipped broadcast range then it SHOULD be an option | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it is practical | 17:02 |
| * lcuk can happily supply YUV values in the whole 24bit range | 17:02 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: just have to use lookup table :) | 17:03 |
| lcuk | its practical if you want slow graphics | 17:03 |
| lcuk | go see itT - theres a long discussion there | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK_ | I would have expected it to be designed for video, hence that it would clip the output if you fed it yuv in the full 0...255 range :-) | 17:03 |
| RST38h | well, not saying you have to do it of course but it is doable | 17:03 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK_, why would you expect that? its an embedded device with no video input | 17:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | lcdd, because the primary use of it would be to accelerate playback of video? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | sjk: naah, omap usually drives an lcd so no reason to limit it there | 17:04 |
| RST38h | it does have video output though | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | yes it drives an LCD, which eats RGB, not YUV | 17:05 |
| lcuk | no it doesnt | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | it has native yuv inputs | 17:05 |
| RST38h | sjk: wrong | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK_ | right | 17:05 |
| lcuk | i give it a YUV framebuffer | 17:05 |
| RST38h | sjk: a lot of lcds now accept yuv not rgb | 17:05 |
| lcuk | it reduces the bandwidth problems | 17:05 |
| lcuk | the video data framebuffer mode is configurable | 17:06 |
| RST38h | sjk: you literally feed them ccir565 stream | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | Ah right | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | So then it's perfect for playback of video | 17:06 |
| lcuk | any conversion is inside the epson lcd chip | 17:06 |
| RST38h | sjk: I know it is weird but true | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK_ | RST38h, no it makes perfect sense :-) | 17:06 |
| RST38h | here is a slightly offtopic fact to woder about though: | 17:07 |
| RST38h | let us say you convert rgb555 to rgb565 or rgb888 | 17:08 |
| RST38h | which way is faster on arm: lookup or computation? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | depends where your LUT is - if its standard sdram i would guess bitshifting, but if you got the LUT into the on OMAP2420 5mb buffer then undeterminate. | 17:09 |
| jott | Stskeeps: ugh, i did not realize powerlaunch has dsme code... that would have saved me some time :/ | 17:10 |
| lcuk | for RGB actual 32bitpixels contigious then the lookup will be pretty quick. but if its planar (as the YUV is) it takes a lookup, plus shifting to get the bytes then writing to 3 seperate memory locations as char8 | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | jott: it has reverse engineered dsme code atleast | 17:11 |
| lcuk | which would be slow whichever way you looked at it | 17:11 |
| jott | Stskeeps: yeah i have done the same ;) | 17:11 |
| jott | (for setting the brightness) | 17:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: bitshifting always | 17:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: cause missing a cache line is a bitch | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | and with 64kb lookup table you are gonna do it all the time | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | depends just what you have to mask and shift and read and write, but i do tend to agree. it wouldnt matter anyway, cos on the iva or dsp a lookup wouldnt be considered | 17:14 |
| RST38h | of course if you are using 1-clock sram....but that would be too expensive | 17:14 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/07/11/2233225.shtml | 17:22 |
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| * crashanddie lights a lcuky strike :D | 17:22 | |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, :) without reading all the comments - that sits with what we were discussing the other night | 17:39 |
| crashanddie | yup, it does | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | :D heh I've been known to send such samples back with "Your first buffer overflow is on line 42. Thank you for your interest." I couldn't afford to deal with sloppy coders in a hard real time environment. | 17:43 |
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| crashanddie | I love the first comment on that | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | "You sir are an asshole" | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, thats miles down the page | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, wut ? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | lol its ok | 18:03 |
| lcuk | thats the response ot the snip i put | 18:03 |
| lcuk | not the first comment in the article | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, when I read the comments, the first comment on the guy buffer overflow on line 42, well the first comment on that was "you sir are an asshole" | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | wow | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | that sentence didn't make much sense | 18:03 |
| lcuk | you're quoting slashdot, nothing will make sense | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | agreed | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | now, is there somewhere that ican find a list of what i should put into my depends line in my control file based on the library | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | well | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | for the buildage | 18:05 |
| rm_you | i love the comment about what to wear to an interview based on OS :P | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | :D | 18:05 |
| lcuk | or do i just use the same identifier i used for linking | 18:05 |
| rm_you | most of that actually accurately describes what my friends wear day-to-day based on OS pref, myself included, lol | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, it's pretty nice, yeah | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, no, you use the debian/maemo package name | 18:05 |
| lcuk | so, is there a map somewhere | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | a map ? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | this package is called this | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | oh | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | apt-file I guess | 18:06 |
| lcuk | i have my libes: -lX11 -lXext -lXv -lXsp -lm `freetype-config --libs` ill just go find out what each should be | 18:06 |
| lcuk | without -lm of course ;) | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | did dpkg /msg you ? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | yes thanks i always miss them | 18:07 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, when I use mud build apt-file, I don't get any .deb ? | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | mud-builder fails :/ | 18:34 |
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| johnx | the build succeeded but you didn't get a deb in uploads? | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | nope | 18:35 |
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| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s21KiftXW7 this is what I get | 18:37 |
| * qwerty12 finally got ubuntu 8.04 again. I had to install ndiswrapper and piss around with the wifi drivers and then install 249 updates. | 18:37 | |
| crashanddie | lol qwerty12 | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | sorry you have to use ndiswrapper though | 18:38 |
| erstazi | denny: can I PM you? | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | what wifi card ? | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, me too :(. It's some safecom one that uses a TI chipset. | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 18:38 |
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| denny | erstazi: I guess so - I'm quite busy though | 18:44 |
| erstazi | denny: I understand, I couldn't mention it in #freenode | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | test | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | s/test/doubletest/ | 18:45 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: doubletest | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | test | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | s/test/doubletest | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 18:46 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: you've come back over, welcome | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, hello summatusmentis | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, no package injection for youuuuuuuuu | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | whyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | well | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | ndiswrapper | 18:47 |
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| crashanddie | if you manage to support packet injection with ndiswrapper | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | I guess you might just get a phone call from Nobel | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I don't think you can get any wifi card that supports package injection ;P | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | Why isn't there a Nobel prize for Most Awesome Idea ever ? | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | oh, lol | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | :D | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | well | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | yeah, sure you can | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | bit of ARP poisoning | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | and that card will accept any package I send :P | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: apt-get install devscripts inside scratchbox | 18:49 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, :P | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | any ideas how to solve this: http://slexy.org/view/s26ypK01vC | 18:49 |
| lcuk | im building package | 18:49 |
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| johnx | aaah...pain | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds like busybox find sucks | 18:50 |
| johnx | maybe get a real version of find and put in in the PATH temporarily | 18:50 |
| johnx | or hack up dh_clean | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, <3 | 18:50 |
| lcuk | could i just cheat and remove the clean process from the package build step? | 18:50 |
| erstazi | man, I guess I need to get a n810 sometime... not many of yinz still have the nokia 770 like I do | 18:50 |
| lcuk | cos rebuilding AGAIN takes an age | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: at some point once the changes at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design are finished, mud itself'll be in extras as a deb and you won't need to apt-get install xsltproc, devscripts and gnupg (although the last one isn't necessary until `mud upload' is implemented) | 18:51 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah, I guess so, but you should replace it with code that cleans the build area | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, yes, (i do that with big packages. took me ages to compile one, I ain't going through it again :P) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | once even | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, just include it in the docs :P | 18:51 |
| lcuk | is that built into my package instructions though, or is that a default part of dpkg-build binary | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: will do :) Updating the website is on my TODO for this weekend | 18:52 |
| * lcuk has many TODOs | 18:52 | |
| lcuk | FAR too many | 18:52 |
| Italodance | guys my omweather only shows 5 days .....i have't thursday and friday why? | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | I'd make a busybox compatible full find for you but my scratchbox is installing :) | 18:53 |
| jott | why not use "-nc" with dpkg-buildpackage instead of hacking dh_clean? | 18:54 |
| lcuk | ok perfect | 18:54 |
| lcuk | thanks jott :) once again your wisdom amazes me | 18:54 |
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| jott | lcuk: in your case you should still do a proper dh_clean replacement i guess | 18:55 |
| jott | (or make dh_clean work ;) | 18:55 |
| jott | -nc just ommits the cleaning step when building a package | 18:55 |
| lcuk | its ok, this is very specific for this one package | 18:55 |
| Italodance | ? | 18:55 |
| lcuk | i think i will be moving out of my little house soon enough, im gonna get a KVM and make the laptop available | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | Italodance, because it's configured to show 5 days ? | 18:56 |
| jott | Italodance: afair there is a setting for the number of days | 18:56 |
| lcuk | or because it knows the world is gona end in 5 days | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | shit, is it that time of the world already ? | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | I haven't even packed my stuff | 18:56 |
| * jott prepares his towel | 18:57 | |
| lcuk | heh | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | jott, is that some weird way of saying you're heading to a porn site ? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 18:57 |
| jott | na that i'm out for a beer :P | 18:57 |
| lcuk | hg2g would be really nice fully packed onto our nokias | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | haha | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | copyright issues, as always | 18:58 |
| lcuk | :) i would pay | 18:59 |
| jott | lcuk: you could start by integrating a "don't panic" into your liqbase startup screen ;) | 18:59 |
| lcuk | having all the animations and information | 18:59 |
| lcuk | hahahahahaha | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | Sad thing | 18:59 |
| lcuk | that is such a wicked idea | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | every answer on IRC would end up being 42 | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | "How do I use PAN?" | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | "42" | 18:59 |
| lcuk | get your speech thing sorted, we can talk to the book | 18:59 |
| lcuk | who wants a brew/ | 19:00 |
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| crashanddie | a brew ? | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | a .deb ? | 19:00 |
| lcuk | coffee/tea? | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | brb, scratchbox wants me to log out >.< | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 19:00 |
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| crashanddie | what the ? | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | He's running IRC in scratchbox ? | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, not for me, thanks | 19:01 |
| Jaffa | No, post-install you need to log out to get the new 'sbox' group | 19:01 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: just had one :) | 19:01 |
| jott | or just ssh to localhost ;) | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | or su yourusername | 19:02 |
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| jott | or "X :1" :P | 19:02 |
| jott | mh | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | haha | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, did you ever try to mud gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ? :P | 19:03 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, http://slexy.org/view/s2JmEHpLw5 | 19:05 |
| lcuk | package is running my build process | 19:06 |
| lcuk | :P | 19:06 |
| lcuk | :O even | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | package ? | 19:06 |
| lcuk | packager | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg-buildpackage | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:06 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | found an old log on ##c++ | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | "I'm trying to wrap my head around C++... And did it give me a headache" | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | "Always hurts the first time, don't worry, you'll end up enjoying it" | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | 2nd comment got me :P | 19:08 |
| lcuk | ive felt that way since day 1: i should have gone down linux route years ago and i wouldnt feel like i do now | 19:08 |
| lcuk | but at the time, the only linux i saw was a console install of some debian | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know if there is a program for linux that basically does what windows does when you click in the middle mouse button? | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | (brings up that arrow thing where I can scroll up and down etc) | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | what does Windows do when you click the middle mouse button ? | 19:09 |
| lcuk | what does windows do when you middle click | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | ah | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | that's a mouse feature IIRC | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | not OS | 19:09 |
| lcuk | thats a feature of the scrolling widget that the mouse is under | 19:09 |
| lcuk | isnt it? | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | the linux middle-mouse-button is way better :P | 19:10 |
| lcuk | or does it come from the driver | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I thought it was the driver | 19:10 |
| lcuk | yes, giving the middle finger to linux is way better | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | boo lcuk | 19:10 |
| lcuk | i just rememebered yeah it is - at work some git has got a stupid mouse driver that does different shit | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | one click paste == win | 19:10 |
| lcuk | not really if you randomly click middle mouse button all day long knowing it doesnt destroy your source | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, intellipoint? (it worked with my generic hp mouse) | 19:11 |
| lcuk | then do it once in linux and realise when you compile later you have pasted in a load of shit | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, the new mouse I got | 19:11 |
| lcuk | no qwerty12 he has some real shit driver which tries to be like a star trek command chair when you middle click | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, well... The scroll wheel is a bit edgy | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | so everytime I scroll up, i paste shit in my source code... | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12 retches after reading lcuk's comment | 19:12 | |
| crashanddie | Awesome when compiling... "How the fuck did that get there" | 19:12 |
| lcuk | linux middle click paste FAIL! | 19:12 |
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| crashanddie | it's awesome when you have the right mouse :P | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | My mx1000 was awesome that way | 19:12 |
| lcuk | i had that a couple of times it annoyed the feck out of me - yet another reason why i dont like vmware | 19:12 |
| crashanddie | rest in pieces old mouse | 19:12 |
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| qwerty12 | vmware sucks | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I hate controlling that shit. | 19:13 |
| lcuk | ok, i called it with dpkg-buildpackage -nc | 19:13 |
| lcuk | it still failed, but it built everything, lemme paste it | 19:13 |
| MangoFusion | if you think vmware sucks, then you've obviously not used Parallels Desktop | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, I've never had a mac ;P | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | *:P | 19:14 |
| lcuk | http://slexy.org/view/s20verWyaT | 19:15 |
| lcuk | hmmmm its at make install stage | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12 | It's running dh_clean again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution. | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | s/It's running dh_clean again/It's running find again/ | 19:16 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: It's running find again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution. | 19:16 |
| jott | yeah i guess installing a gnu find or patching dh_clean | 19:16 |
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| jott | or both :) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | but i think it ignored the error, the final line this time | 19:16 |
| lcuk | # | 19:16 |
| lcuk | make: *** [install] Error 1 | 19:17 |
| lcuk | last time it failed at [clean] stage | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | But it still doesn't make the deb when a process fails. | 19:17 |
| * lcuk copies folder into vmware and sees what happens | 19:17 | |
| qwerty12 | It will work in vmware (hopefully) because that POS busybox won't be found on there :) | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | but i tohught vmware was a mirror of the actual env | 19:18 |
| lcuk | or rather scratchbox | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | But scratchbox uses a full find. | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | well it builds faster on my big pc but it still has errors | 19:23 |
| * lcuk for once wishes he had installshield for this machine | 19:24 | |
| * lcuk ducks | 19:24 | |
| qwerty12 | installshield for a deb package?!? >.< | 19:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyways, my scratchbox is alive so if you want a full find, let me know. | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | but how will i replace the one in busybox? | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | I just use a bit of postinst magic | 19:28 |
| lcuk | then young harry potter. work your magic please :) | 19:29 |
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| jott | lcuk: you could put a gnu find name gfind in /usr/local/bin | 19:30 |
| jott | and change dh_clean to use gfind | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 19:30 |
| jott | that would not affect things that might rely on the busybox find | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | jott's got a point actually. | 19:30 |
| Veggen | busybox things should not be inconsistent with full versions, usually? | 19:31 |
| Veggen | Just lacks some features? | 19:31 |
| jott | "usually" :) | 19:31 |
| Veggen | imho, busybox is broken if they are ;) | 19:31 |
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| jott | yeah well define "full version"... | 19:32 |
| jott | gnu proprietary extensions? ;) | 19:32 |
| jott | or changes | 19:32 |
| jott | anyway, in general it *should* be safe to replace a busybox tool with a gnu one | 19:33 |
| * qwerty12 rmmod's pcspkr before I end up getting a crowbar to my computer out of insanity. | 19:33 | |
| lcuk | ok jott, im in dh_clean now, you think replace the single instance of "complex_doit("find . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ............." with "complex_doit("dfind . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ........." | 19:33 |
| jott | otoh it's always safer to just leave it.. | 19:33 |
| Veggen | hmmf. You're right. this isn't that easy ;) Normally, I'd say "go with the gnu version", or even make a "busybox-gnu" and a "busybox-bsd" as different versions ;) | 19:33 |
| lcuk | and get full find installed as dfind | 19:33 |
| jott | yeah i think that should do | 19:34 |
| jott | i would name it gfind (as in gnu find) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | seems logical, obviously when i reinstall it'll screw me up again | 19:34 |
| jott | but thats just semantics ;) | 19:34 |
| Veggen | Hmmf. I hate hotels with an "inquiri form" for ordering. | 19:34 |
| Veggen | never know whether or not it's safe to wait for an answer (or whether I've actually ordered, or....). | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | hang on, can i just screw dh_clean out of the equation on this and leave it as a blank script | 19:37 |
| jott | lcuk: well you *could* but you *might* end up with packages with temp files etc | 19:38 |
| lcuk | its one package and ill just vape as required | 19:38 |
| jott | hmm busybox find does not have -exec ?!..strange | 19:38 |
| lcuk | i dont do full building of lots of things | 19:38 |
| jott | acutally it should | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | jott, surely you were not surprised? | 19:38 |
| jott | that nokias version does not have it?! ;) | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | dunno why it wouldn't, nokia's diff has +CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC=y | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, it doesn't have it set later. | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | +# CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC is not set | 19:40 |
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| jott | that probably saved gigs of space :) | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe, I once installed coreutils on here but the segfaults when doing simple things like ls -la would drive me crazy. | 19:42 |
| RST38h | hehe, itt is in full blown diablo hate mode | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | most of the people on itt don't know shit about diablo. | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | I was using it for weeks and weeks before and didn't find any install problems. | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Then again, diablo extras wasn't populated then. | 19:43 |
| RST38h | yep, cant figure out how to enable chinook extras | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Some people say to make the distribution line : "diablo chinook" but I had a fun time restoring when I did that. I just duplicate the maemo extras entry and make the distribution chinook. | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | this does not work - i tries | 19:45 |
| RST38h | tried | 19:45 |
| RST38h | adding both extras (chinook and default) seems to work though | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | I have recently been diagnosed with Esophageal cancer which defiled all equipment | 19:54 |
| RST38h | What a wonderful spam.... | 19:54 |
| RST38h | defiled, mhm | 19:55 |
| MangoFusion | defiled all equipment? eew | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | It is actually the best outcome one can think off | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Evil cancer eats poor nigerian spammer alive and defiles that internet cafe he is spamming from | 20:12 |
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| lopz | re | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | note to self.. don't test dsme communication by sending DSME_REQUEST_REBOOT | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:29 |
| johnx | heh | 20:30 |
| johnx | what did you think would happen? | 20:30 |
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| qwerty12 | hehe | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i assumed my code would just break, but it didn't :> | 20:30 |
| * Stskeeps continues playing | 20:30 | |
| johnx | yeah, I've been in those situations too :D | 20:30 |
| * qwerty12 wants libdsme :/ | 20:31 | |
| johnx | no way this will work...it worked, crap | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: why, though? the protocol is so dead simple | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| * Stskeeps is writing a dsme-dbus-proxy atm | 20:31 | |
| qwerty12 | hehe, I can tell, the powerlaunch guy reversed it too :) | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | But I want to recompile mce :( | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | (even if it is an old version) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | you can prolly do it by making your own dsme.h .. the prototypes are pretty obvious | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | I need cal.h too. Infact, I'd <3 for cal.h | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe the authentication system will break on garage and I'll be able to get into https://garage.maemo.org/svn/dsm . | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | Then I'll wake up from my dream. | 20:34 |
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| Blastur | has anyone experienced significantly less battery time with Diablo? its almost like it never enters "power save" mode, except that it powers down the screen.. i get like a few hours of battery even if no apps are running, and i dont use it .. with chinook, it could run for days in that state | 20:35 |
| johnx | Blastur, install htop and watch for modest suddenly going crazy and soaking up 100% CPU time | 20:36 |
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| Blastur | oh, okay | 20:37 |
| johnx | having said that I had a power drain problem today without that being the cause | 20:37 |
| johnx | I'll have to wait for it to happen again and investigate | 20:37 |
| johnx | maybe I'll rig something up to calculate the power loss rate and flash the LED or something if it's really high | 20:38 |
| lcuk | johnx, the problem is, you dont know its happening until you slide the keyboard open and it doesnt come alive as usual | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | woo. dsme wants to talk to me :) | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | give it an middle finger form me | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | from even | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:39 |
| johnx | lcuk, yeah I do, if I check the charge level every 5 minutes or so (with a script) and blink the LED if it's high | 20:40 |
| * johnx scripts | 20:40 | |
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| lcuk | have it playback a sample when it detects unusual current draw. "ALERT: UNUSUAL POWER ACTIVITY" | 20:41 |
| johnx | record yourself saying that, send me the .wav and it's a deal :D | 20:42 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | ALERT: NORTHERNER ACCENT | 20:42 |
| lcuk | my phone does similar, when it detects its nearly dead it puts the screen on max warns me that its nearly dead plays a bing and whacks qwerty12 around the head | 20:43 |
| gpd | off topic: i have a weird linux problem: my laptop freezes (even playback of mp3s, cursor, any processes in fact) until a key is pressed or mouse is moved. happens with ubuntu & openSUSE - where should I start to look? never seen anything like this in 9 years of linux. | 20:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, right, but this is an early warning "WARNING: IF THIS KEEPS UP THE BATTERY WILL BE DONE IN 3 HOURS" | 20:43 |
| johnx | gpd, first place is dmesg | 20:43 |
| johnx | check for things about IRQs | 20:44 |
| lcuk | for me thats no good - its when im asleep - so in the middle of the night i will see strange lights and hear strange sirens and think we have been invaded by aliens | 20:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, plug it the heck in while you're asleep! | 20:44 |
| gpd | johnx: yeah - that was my thought too - there are some messages about irqs actually - will check them out thanks. | 20:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, you don't have outlets in your bedroom? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | no, the charger is near the computer not the bed. i charge whenever im in front of the computer | 20:45 |
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| johnx | gpd, on my immediate suspect list is: power saving, acpi, and apic | 20:45 |
| lcuk | i leave the charger here because i know wifi drains it so i keep it topped up whilst coding | 20:45 |
| johnx | maybe get another charger? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | but when i go to bed i take it to sketch and read and most nights its fine. just occasionally i wake and its dead | 20:46 |
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| gpd | johnx: it occurs after about 2 seconds of no typing / mouse - and the freeze is not absolute - if an mp3 is playing it comes back for a split second after about 20 seconds... does that give any more clue? the dmesg suggests pci=routeirq - will try that. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | no, 9 nights out of 10 its fine | 20:46 |
| johnx | I just pull mine from the outlet by my desk and throw it on my bed | 20:46 |
| lcuk | i wake up and battery is same place as it was | 20:46 |
| lcuk | on normal days | 20:46 |
| lcuk | on others however its dead | 20:46 |
| johnx | lcuk, you turn off wifi while you sleep? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yes 100% | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i close everything i had open, i disable wifi and unplug. | 20:47 |
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| johnx | are you on diablo or do you use modest for mail? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | the act of unplugging makes my acmonitor switch the cpu back to ondemand (customised to do this) | 20:47 |
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| johnx | nice trick | 20:47 |
| lcuk | im still in chinook and have never setup any mail | 20:48 |
| lcuk | and i have wifi set to fully manual | 20:48 |
| lcuk | when i plug back into power acmonitor knocks it back up to performance as well :) its sweet | 20:48 |
| johnx | still, I need performance while on the go :/ | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i can switch whenever i want from liqbase | 20:49 |
| johnx | anyways, I'll look at maybe making a graph of power drain like KC did when he was writing kcbatt | 20:49 |
| lcuk | its just an option :) but so i dont forget i have acmonitor to act for me | 20:49 |
| johnx | maybe I'll have it take a reading and record the apps running at the time | 20:49 |
| lcuk | a few people have looked at this johnx, there is a very recent thread where someone monitored | 20:50 |
| johnx | ah, good, I'll ask for his script | 20:50 |
| * johnx searches ITT once more... | 20:50 | |
| lcuk | it didnt look like cpu was the problem, im tempted to think some hardware isnt being shutdown cleanly and carrying on draining | 20:50 |
| johnx | still, I want a rough graph, all the time and an early warning | 20:51 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201652#post201652 | 20:51 |
| johnx | thanks | 20:51 |
| lcuk | the whole thread has more, thats just the latest mail i got | 20:51 |
| johnx | awesome thread! | 20:53 |
| lcuk | yer, lots of discussion and action | 20:53 |
| johnx | I've been ignoring battery threads cause usually it's a lot of arm-chair theorists and cargo-cult beliefs | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | no, people actually discussing howto identify and work out what the actual problem is | 20:55 |
| johnx | hmm...starts getting ideas :D | 20:55 |
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| GDeNSo | Hi | 20:56 |
| GDeNSo | how's everyone? | 20:56 |
| johnx | pretty good | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | I suppose from that I could say that running a top log fixed my problem! | 20:56 |
| lcuk | *all hail the mighty top log* ;) | 20:56 |
| johnx | and you? | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | my head hurts after lcuk's phone whacked it | 20:56 |
| qwerty12 | but fine otherwise | 20:57 |
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| GDeNSo | :) | 20:57 |
| GDeNSo | I'm wondering | 20:57 |
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| GDeNSo | with advance backlight, how do you get the rotate options? | 20:57 |
| qwerty12 | You have to install the xserver-xomap and kernel with rotation. | 20:58 |
| qwerty12 | Chinook or Diablo? | 20:58 |
| GDeNSo | diablo | 20:58 |
| summatusmentis | you need a kernel that enables rotation? that's annoying | 20:58 |
| qwerty12 | GDeNSo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=201252&postcount=157 | 20:59 |
| lcuk | summatusmentis, better than needing to solder on a rotation chip | 20:59 |
| Italodance | johnx hi again | 21:00 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: well, yeah, but... there's no general software way to do it? | 21:00 |
| johnx | hi Italodance | 21:00 |
| Italodance | johnx my omweather has only 5 icons for saturday to wednesday | 21:00 |
| Italodance | what can i do for 7 days? | 21:00 |
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| Italodance | it's noprmal... | 21:00 |
| pupnik | well is quim around? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | summatusmentis, not generically, you need to talk to the omapfb to do it - i believe its possible to get single programs rotated but thats not the same | 21:01 |
| Italodance | hi pupnik | 21:01 |
| pupnik | hi Italodance, lcuk | 21:01 |
| lcuk | hi pupnik, probably best mailing him | 21:01 |
| pupnik | i'm sure he has done all he can | 21:01 |
| johnx | Italodance, there is no way to get info for 7 days now. | 21:01 |
| Italodance | johnx visible items is only for 5 and not for 7... | 21:01 |
| lcuk | so am i - its inside the cogs of the mighty enterprise | 21:02 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: that's rather bothersome | 21:02 |
| pupnik | but it is my credit rating that is now getting trashed | 21:02 |
| qwerty12 | It's not hard to flash the kernel (less so under diablo) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | summatusmentis, not really - its expected. the rotation feature was found after lots of work had been done assuming single orientation | 21:02 |
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| johnx | lcuk, actually I realized I read the beginning of that thread and decided it wasn't worth following | 21:02 |
| Italodance | johnx so it can show automatically thursday and friday after wednesday later? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | pupnik, im paying for it as well. interest charges on that hotel bill are worrysome | 21:03 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: sure, I suppose, I'm used to a zaurus, where rotation is easy | 21:03 |
| Italodance | pupnik what's up dude? any new game? | 21:03 |
| pupnik | new games and emulators will come later | 21:03 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, that's because it's been in the kernel since the beginning :P | 21:03 |
| lcuk | lol johnx, so like a good wine the thread got better with age | 21:04 |
| pupnik | right now i am looking for nice women :P | 21:04 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: hah, I guess that's fair. | 21:04 |
| Italodance | lol | 21:04 |
| lcuk | pupnik, nice women will make your credit rating drop more :P | 21:04 |
| pupnik | true that | 21:05 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 21:05 |
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| qwerty12 | Go on a date to the nearest takeaway and watch as you get slapped :p | 21:05 |
| lcuk | save yourself the hassle of women, marriage and divorce etc and just buy a random woman from the street a new house | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | in the end it will work out the same just without the emotional hassle :D | 21:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, bitter much? | 21:06 |
| GDeNSo | qwerty, ive downloaded that package and get an error when tring to install :/ | 21:07 |
| lcuk | not at all, i am happy with my life and missus and kids | 21:07 |
| lcuk | i was just talking in general | 21:07 |
| GDeNSo | qwerty12 * | 21:07 |
| Italodance | i want some new cool backgrounds....someone has? | 21:07 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, some women will really enjoy it if you take them somewhere upmarket (like mcdonalds) | 21:08 |
| johnx | lcuk, ah, like a lottery winner saying "Don't play the lottery." :D | 21:08 |
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| qwerty12 | GDeNSo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 ( don't install rotate-sb-plugin) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:08 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, cool, where can I find a woman like that? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | i wouldv thought all the chavs down your way would lap that kind of stuff up | 21:09 |
| lcuk | hell, you can even go through the drivethrough on your bmx | 21:09 |
| qwerty12 | That's true, Essex, here I come! | 21:09 |
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| GDeNSo | oi! | 21:10 |
| qwerty12 | ezi now bruv, I gave you another link :P | 21:10 |
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| Italodance | 1 | 21:11 |
| lcuk | 2 | 21:11 |
| qwerty12 | 3 | 21:12 |
| lcuk | qwerty smells of peee | 21:12 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart my cat | 21:12 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of my cat's jugular vein | 21:12 | |
| GDeNSo | thanks qwerty12 :) | 21:13 |
| jott | poor cat... | 21:13 |
| GNUton | Hi all | 21:15 |
| GNUton | hey jott:) | 21:15 |
| GDeNSo | itolodance, go on flickr and search up my username | 21:15 |
| jott | hello GNUton, i nearly finished comboboxes :) | 21:16 |
| GDeNSo | I have some up there | 21:16 |
| GNUton | jott: absolutely great! :)! | 21:16 |
| jott | gtk is such a pita when it comes to theming... | 21:17 |
| johnx | Italodance, wallpaper: http://obukhoff.su/photos/index.php?cat=2 | 21:17 |
| Italodance | GDeNSo ok! | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember the memory usage calculation bug number? | 21:17 |
| Italodance | tnx johnx :D | 21:17 |
| GNUton | jott: pita? what is this? | 21:19 |
| Raytray | pain in the a.. | 21:19 |
| jott | pain in the a** :) | 21:19 |
| GNUton | ah ok! :) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | okay.. save_unsaved_data_ind comes from DSME .. what does this normally mean? dsme noticing battery running out? terrorist attack? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:20 |
| qwerty12 | that gets sent using dbus, libosso uses it | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it originates from dsme it seems | 21:22 |
| qwerty12 | yeah :) | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | (like, from the root) | 21:22 |
| qwerty12 | "Maemo applications can connect to listen the system D-BUS messages, like "bat- | 21:23 |
| qwerty12 | tery low" and "shutdown". When these messages are received, the application | 21:23 |
| qwerty12 | may want to ask the user to save files that are open, or react however wanted." | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:23 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: no - that's what happens when a package has a build dependency which cannot be met, which is fairly odd for an upstream debian package but not impossible | 21:26 |
| mouser- | /MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER mouser- icqhyqerbjgt | 21:26 |
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| red-zack | ^^ | 21:26 |
| qwerty12 | wrong window :/ | 21:26 |
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| johnx | that's unfortunate... | 21:26 |
| red-zack | nope, right window :P | 21:27 |
| red-zack | ^^ | 21:27 |
| qwerty12 | haha | 21:27 |
| mouser- | eep. | 21:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles is tired of idiocy. | 21:27 | |
| qwerty12 | Is there a pdf of "Maemo 4.1 API references". i don't want to use httrack but by God if I have to... | 21:27 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, a specific thread? or just idiocy in general? | 21:27 |
| mouser- | Better here than #ubuntu, I guess. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | In general really, but the "bugzilla sux" thread in particular right now. | 21:28 |
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| Jaffa | *sigh* | 21:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "does my battery be gud?" | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | johnx, apparent voltage is stupid, because it mostly depends on the current drain | 21:32 |
| johnx | thank you GeneralAntilles :P | 21:32 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, what exactly do you want to test ? It's exact mAh value ? | 21:32 |
| crashanddie | its** | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/dsme.py.txt <- if anyone wants to see DSME communication code done in Python | 21:33 |
| johnx | I guess I should rephrase that to "power usage logging" | 21:33 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks Stskeeps | 21:34 |
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| crashanddie | bleh | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | I'm off to change the mouse | 21:36 |
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| Blastur | isn't it possible to go 'true' full screen in micro b anymore? if i hit fullscreen, the url bar still remains at the bottom | 21:44 |
| qwerty12 | You can disable that bar from the view menu | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 21:44 |
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| Blastur | ah, great | 21:49 |
| Blastur | thanks | 21:49 |
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| jott | GNUton: what do you think about something along the line of http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt ? | 21:58 |
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| pH5 | in which repo can I find perl 5.8.3-3osso9? | 22:03 |
| pH5 | it's installed in the scratchbox, but the n810 tries and fails to install -3osso7 (while perl-base is already at -3osso9) | 22:03 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/perl/ | 22:04 |
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| pH5 | qwerty12: thanks | 22:04 |
| * pH5 checks sources.list.d again | 22:04 | |
| qwerty12 | np | 22:05 |
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| pH5 | terrific, that's referenced from the diablo sdk repository | 22:15 |
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| Medic119 | buncha nothing going on? | 22:20 |
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| johnx | you missed everything | 22:21 |
| johnx | :P | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Medic119, if you have been here 5 minutes ago you wouldnt have said that | 22:21 |
| lcuk | johnx, it was wild wasnt it | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm so glad I was here. | 22:21 |
| Medic119 | Had to update my kernel..lol | 22:21 |
| johnx | lcuk, pure madness. I'm almost glad it settled down O_o | 22:22 |
| Edgester | I'm getting configure errors for openafs that says the /usr/include/linux aren't valid kernel headers. Is there another path besides getting the RC kernel? | 22:23 |
| Edgester | oops, OX kernel | 22:23 |
| Edgester | ugh, RX kernel | 22:23 |
| johnx | maybe a symlink? | 22:23 |
| johnx | aren't there kernel headers available? | 22:23 |
| Edgester | do I need the RX package or is there a different package | 22:24 |
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| johnx | I honestly don't remember off the top of my head | 22:25 |
| johnx | there's a little howto for building modules I think, though | 22:25 |
| Edgester | where? | 22:26 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html | 22:26 |
| Edgester | thanks | 22:28 |
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| Edgester | ok, so I do need the kernel source deb. How do I specify that in my deb control file? | 22:28 |
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| Veggen | Edgester: you only need the kernel-source deb for building, not to install on the tablet afterwards. | 22:30 |
| Edgester | I understand that, but I have to tell the autobuilder to make the kernel source deb available | 22:30 |
| Edgester | during the build | 22:30 |
| johnx | aaah...sorry, that's a little beyond my experience | 22:31 |
| Edgester | mine too | 22:31 |
| Veggen | There's a Build-Depends: in the debian/control | 22:31 |
| Edgester | ya, I had to use that to make krb5 build in the autobuilder | 22:32 |
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| Veggen | I'm not sure, but if I made an autobuilder, I'd make it look there :) | 22:32 |
| Veggen | then, can't you just Build-Depend on kernel-source ? | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | rebooting, brb | 22:33 |
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| Edgester | not sure, but would I need to build the kernel as well? | 22:33 |
| Veggen | no. | 22:33 |
| Veggen | but you might need a configure'd kernel-build-three. | 22:33 |
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| Edgester | hmmm, probably | 22:34 |
| Veggen | not sure about this, but you might want to dissect another *something*-modules package. Doesn't have to be for maemo, can be for another Debian-based Linux. | 22:35 |
| Veggen | I'd guess it's quite similar. | 22:35 |
| Edgester | sounds good | 22:35 |
| Edgester | thanks! | 22:35 |
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| Veggen | you're welcome. | 22:36 |
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| Edgester | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! the normal openafs debian packages just include the module source | 22:44 |
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| Kegetys | should panscan work with the maemo mplayer? I cant seem to get it working | 23:42 |
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| GNUton | jott: kinetic list view looks great! :) | 23:44 |
| GNUton | jott: have you tried it on your device? | 23:44 |
| * lcuk2 perks | 23:44 | |
| lcuk2 | GNUton, kinetic scrolling in what? | 23:45 |
| GNUton | http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt ? | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh coo, how well does it run on our hardware? | 23:46 |
| lcuk2 | l | 23:47 |
| GNUton | lcuk2: you can download and try the demo in the tarball | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Qt kinetic would likely fit in well with Fremantle. ;) | 23:47 |
| lcuk2 | kinetic isnt very advanced to do, but to look good it needs rendering speed | 23:47 |
| lcuk2 | agreed GeneralAntilles | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What with all the little hints that've been dropped all over. | 23:48 |
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| lcuk2 | http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt | 23:48 |
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| GNUton | How many lcuk there are in this room ? :P | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i need desktop -> 810 copy paste facility | 23:49 |
| lcuk | gnuton, that was my 810 | 23:49 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: ssh? | 23:49 |
| GNUton | lcuk: are you using xchat? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | it probably would use it yer, but i just wanna right click on something and essentially sendto my810 | 23:50 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:50 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: you're on windows right? I don't think there's a way to use FUSE, but if there is, you should look into sshfs for easy file manager access | 23:51 |
| lcuk | shhhhhhh | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i use winscp normally | 23:52 |
| Veggen | summatus: there's some ssh-filemanagers for Windows that gives you cut&paste-things. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | but its just extra things | 23:52 |
| Veggen | "extra" things? | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | yer, having it all automatic and dropped into the right place | 23:52 |
| lcuk | like webshortcuts automatically dropped into favorites | 23:52 |
| Veggen | mmm. Then you need an sshfs for Windows. | 23:52 |
| Veggen | or something. | 23:53 |
| lcuk | yer, the transport layer is but one part of it | 23:53 |
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| Veggen | dunno, perhaps there's an easy way to make such functionality as you want. | 23:54 |
| lcuk | its configuring where and how to send content over and get it to the expected place on the destination end | 23:54 |
| Veggen | dunno, cause I don't windows. | 23:54 |
| lcuk | nor do i - the concept is identical whether main desktop is windows linux mac or another 8x0 | 23:54 |
| Veggen | (hmm, I don't *know* windows was what I meant to say) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i have a link or file or data on this machine and i want it directly on my 810 | 23:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sftp would be really simple. | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Transmit gives me an icon that I can just drop stuff I want sent to the N800 on. | 23:55 |
| Veggen | well. for Linux, I guess it'd depend on which desktop-environment you are in, but Gnome/Evolution-things, I guess it'd be possible to make what you want. If i needed it, I'd dive into the gnome filesystem/Evolution things and have a look. | 23:56 |
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