IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-07-11

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jott	GNUton: dpkg seems to build now..	00:03
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crashanddie	does anyone know where to get dh_make on the tablet ?	00:04
crashanddie	package dh-make doesn't exist, and I'm not sure it's in debhelper (confer http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/03/msg00364.html)	00:04
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Jaffa	On the tablet?	00:05
Jaffa	Install the SDK repo	00:05
jott	crashanddie: http://packages.debian.org/sid/dh-make	00:05
crashanddie	jott, is that a gentle way of telling me "compile it yourself" ?	00:06
GNUton	What did you do?	00:06
GNUton	jott: ?	00:06
jott	GNUton: removed the maemo patch and added -hildon to the rules	00:07
jott	if everything builds fine i can commit it..	00:07
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GNUton	there are some errors appling the debian patch to this code...	00:09
GNUton	patches	00:09
GNUton	jott: ..	00:09
jott	GNUton: compile errors?	00:09
jott	atleast all other patches applied	00:09
GNUton	mmm are ou sure?	00:10
jott	it currently builds at least ;)	00:10
GNUton	I know that it built... :P :)	00:10
jott	well with dpkg-buildpackage...	00:10
jott	i'll see if it breaks it should be easy to spot the problematic patches in the series	00:11
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jott	GNUton: if it builds fine, it's ok to commit the changes, right?	00:13
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GNUton	jott: ok, but it´s better if all patches are appied fine...	00:16
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khertan	crashanddie: are you trying to build package on device ?	00:16
khertan	Hi !	00:16
crashanddie	khertan, I'm helping out lcuk	00:17
GNUton	Ho khertan	00:17
zap	What's the process of submitting packages to Extras for gregale?	00:17
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khertan	but if u found how to build package from device i'm interested :)	00:17
lcuk	khertan, :) hi, i used your packager last night but got completely lost in it all but somehow i have a .deb there	00:18
lcuk	but crashanddie and i are attempting to do this natively (i think)	00:18
khertan	lcuk: yes but can't be used to upload to diablo extra	00:19
lcuk	why not?	00:19
crashanddie	khertan, basically, you need dpkg-dev and dh-make	00:19
khertan	as now package should be build by autobuilder	00:19
crashanddie	lcuk, oh yeah, did I forget to say that ?	00:19
crashanddie	:-°	00:19
khertan	and pypackager don't make package with debian rules	00:19
lcuk	not a problem, whats the biggy with autobuilder? does it need ./configure or other things	00:19
khertan	it s too complex ... and many tools haven't been port due to busybox	00:20
khertan	it need a debian rules file	00:20
crashanddie	lcuk, and I just provided that for ya :D	00:20
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lcuk	:'(	00:20
lcuk	:D then	00:20
khertan	this is why none of my application are available for diablo	00:20
khertan	and won't be available once i found a solution	00:21
crashanddie	khertan, get the dh-make package on your device	00:21
khertan	and i ven't the time to found one now	00:21
khertan	i'm sorry for user	00:21
crashanddie	khertan, dh-make will create the debian structure, and all the files it need	00:21
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lcuk	i know that feeling khertan. lots to do not enough time	00:21
lcuk	khertan, are you coming to the maemo summit?	00:21
qwerty12_N800	Sorry.	00:21
khertan	lcuk: now ... i can't	00:22
khertan	no	00:22
khertan	s/now/no	00:22
crashanddie	talking 'bout the Summit, I have to register... again	00:22
crashanddie	:D	00:22
lcuk	aww shame, you provide inspiration :)	00:22
RST38h	khertan: ask xfade to allow binary packages in extras/nonfree	00:22
khertan	RST38h: this is not a real solution	00:22
lcuk	binary packages can go in already, you just setup a makefile to extract the blob	00:22
Jaffa	Hasn't that already been done?	00:22
lcuk	wasnt that the "workaround"	00:23
lcuk	cos canola cant go through the process as it stands can it	00:23
Jaffa	Alhough crashanddie's right, using dh_make isn't too hard. Hell, even mud could help	00:23
lcuk	brb	00:23
RST38h	khertan: it is. binary package means you take responsibility for maintaining it when os upgrades	00:23
Jaffa	lcuk: indeed, some of the INdT guys have been testing it, IIRC	00:24
RST38h	Jaffa: i cant check - away from home right now & until 28th	00:24
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Activity_log	00:24
lbt	does gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() work on Labels (which don't, I think, have gdk windows)	00:25
Jaffa	khertan: why is it not a real solution? Because it's free s/w in a "non-free" section?	00:25
khertan	Jaffa: remember that is for making package onboard	00:25
zap	GeneralAntilles: Application Catalog will stay as it is, or will be changed too?	00:25
crashanddie	khertan, dh_make really gives you a basic structure to work with, editing the correct files isn't much of a hassle after that. And the makefile only needs to use $DESTDIR	00:25
khertan	Jaffa: because source aren't in the repository :)	00:26
crashanddie	khertan, can't ask for much more than that, can you ?	00:26
etrunko	Jaffa: X-Fade set up the non-free queue yesterday, but I have not tested it yet	00:26
etrunko	don't know the configuration either	00:26
Jaffa	etrunko: ah, right. thanks	00:26
etrunko	:)	00:26
lcuk	guys, im goin offline. not sure if ill b back tonight. crashanddie thanks for help. others cya later	00:26
RST38h	khertan: yes but it is not reasonable to ask people autobuild it on a tablet...	00:27
etrunko	bye	00:27
crashanddie	lcuk, oh, ok, take care	00:27
khertan	i ll test to port dh_make and make a new package onboard application, but at this time i ven't the time to dev	00:27
lbt	night lcuk	00:27
Jaffa	khertan: if the source is in the repo, it's not unreasonable to ask that it can be used to build the package!	00:27
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khertan	RST38h: it is	00:27
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RST38h	khertan: not really	00:27
khertan	Jaffa: source is in the repo ... but there is no rules file.	00:27
Jaffa	khertan: just use dh_make once to understand the structure then put a template in PyPackager	00:28
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khertan	Jaffa: the problem is on 'just' :)	00:28
Jaffa	khertan: yes, that's my point - ppl can't build the deb	00:28
crashanddie	Jaffa, question, autobuilder, does that mean we just send a tar with the sources and makefiles, and autobuilder takes care of building it ?	00:28
Jaffa	crashanddie: yes, that's exactly it	00:28
khertan	Jaffa: i think i ll do that ... but need to found time to do it ;)	00:29
crashanddie	Jaffa, doesn't that mean that the server needs to have a shitload of packages installed ?	00:29
GeneralAntilles	No	00:29
GeneralAntilles	It starts from a clean slate and pulls the build depends from Extras.	00:29
khertan	dependancy are specified.	00:29
jott	GNUton: the patches are applied fine. the only patch failed was 99_maemo_maxpath.diff and that is already applied in the svn.	00:29
GeneralAntilles	So you have to have all of your dependencies in Extras.	00:29
RST38h	ga: which part there is relevant?	00:29
Jaffa	crashanddie: your package lists other packages it needs to build and they're sourced from SDK, Extras and Extras-deevel	00:29
jott	GNUton: still building fine :)	00:29
crashanddie	oooh	00:30
crashanddie	clever	00:30
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, the most recent from Niels.	00:30
khertan	hum ... i ll go to sleep	00:30
crashanddie	though, isn't this very CPU intensive ?	00:30
khertan	bye	00:30
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lardman\|afk	you need the debian directory then	00:30
khertan	see u later	00:30
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, it's not our cycles, so who cares? :D	00:30
crashanddie	in a ironic way that maemo.org is already on its kneeds 24/7, adding compilation times surely doesn't do it any good ?	00:30
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crashanddie	knees*	00:30
GeneralAntilles	The autobuilder machine is unrelated to the web hosting, I believe.	00:31
crashanddie	ok	00:31
GeneralAntilles	We're getting a big server upgrade in a month or so, though.	00:31
crashanddie	so, I can just start and push a shitload of stuff ?	00:31
Jaffa	yep	00:31
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crashanddie	oO'	00:31
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crashanddie	hohoho :P	00:32
crashanddie	I'm going to write a little script :P	00:32
Jaffa	netcat, libgee and vala at it already (oh, and cal) - all fine. (All with help from mud, too - but that's enough plugging)	00:32
crashanddie	I'll tell that script which package I want	00:32
crashanddie	and it'll just recursively start getting the sources from packages.debian.org	00:33
GNUton	jott: probably build fine, but are you sure that all the patches has been applied fine?	00:33
crashanddie	and push them all to autobuilder :D	00:33
Jaffa	cal, netcat and libgee all came directly frrom Debian and vim and vala from upstream tarballs	00:33
RST38h	personal launcher. YEAH!	00:33
Jaffa	crashanddie: err, that already exists; http://mud-builder.garage.maem.org	00:33
crashanddie	yeah, but that's not me who wrote it	00:34
crashanddie	is it ?	00:34
crashanddie	:D	00:34
Jaffa	No. I did.	00:34
Jaffa	patches welcome ;)	00:34
Makegho	Anyone know a good password manager? gpasman requires me to chmod 600 the file manually every now and then	00:34
* lardman thinks one with iris recognition would be cool		00:35
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, should dropdowns with numbers be right-aligned?	00:35
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GeneralAntilles	Something's making me think they should be	00:35
GeneralAntilles	but I can't find an example to remind myself.	00:35
lardman	GeneralAntilles: decimal aligned	00:35
jott	GNUton: fine in the sense that they all applied - i do not know yet if they a) build fine b) interfere semantically with your work.	00:35
lardman	GeneralAntilles: so right aligned for integers	00:35
crashanddie	err Jaffa	00:35
crashanddie	Jaffa, isn't that for personal use ?	00:35
GeneralAntilles	Thanks, lardman.	00:36
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crashanddie	Jaffa, I'm actually about pushing the stuff to extra's autobuilder	00:36
lardman	GeneralAntilles: or did you want the official maemo spec position, in which case I've no idea :)	00:36
jott	GNUton: where the first would imply the latter ;)	00:37
GNUton	jott: ok, good test! :) It´s very late, I´ll go to sleep...	00:37
Jaffa	crashanddie: yes, I know. The web page is slightly outdated with the auobuilder coming along. The code itself doesn't care tho. See also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design	00:37
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Jaffa	crashanddie: current version spits out binary debs for testing and source packages for upload to autobuilder.	00:38
GNUton	jott: have a good night!	00:38
GNUton	night all guys!	00:38
jott	GNUton: yeah good night we'll keep in touch. i probably can tell you if the build works tomorrow :)	00:38
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GNUton	jott: :) ok you can use the forum or you can send me a mail, as you wish (gnuton AT gnuton.org)	00:39
jott	kk	00:39
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GNUton	jott: :) thank you and good night!	00:40
lardman	Doing some 1D array work in C, is it bad form to store the array length in the 1st element of the array?	00:40
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crashanddie	Jaffa, if I may just say something, I wouldn't be keen on having packages (source debian packages) coming from everywhere. I think we should stick with one release (say, debian etch stable ?), and not start using sid or whatever	00:41
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Jaffa	crashanddie: can you expand on your reasons?	00:42
crashanddie	Well, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my NIT to be bricked because of some unstable version	00:42
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zap	lardman: thats ok	00:44
Jaffa	crashanddie: that's what Extras-devel and promotion are for; no different to someone uploading svn HEAD of a project to Extras, is it? Or people writing crap s/w from scratch...	00:44
jott	crashanddie: etch does not really imply stable versions of packages, just a stable overall system	00:44
jott	and as maemo extras is completely off from etch it is really unrelated ..	00:45
jott	and sid packages can give much more stable versions..	00:46
crashanddie	I think that's debatable	00:46
crashanddie	But I guess that extras-devel is some kind of safety net	00:47
jott	why?	00:47
Jaffa	It's up to the packager to find the most suitable version. By default for a Debian source, mud goes for 'testing', but it's changeable	00:47
jott	i does not claim all sid packages are more stable	00:47
jott	but i claim etch contains unstable packages compared to the upstream projects	00:47
crashanddie	unstable ? I don't know. Maybe versions that lack the most current features and improvements, but unstable... I doubt so	00:48
vandenoever	are there any binaries for kde4 ? i saw a blog about tit	00:48
jott	crashanddie: unstable in the sense of "more bugs"	00:48
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-schedule-mockup.png Comments?	01:02
GeneralAntilles	It's missing a few parts, but as a basic overview.	01:02
lbt	OK - I got gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup working fine on a button - now I need it to work on a label. Labels don't have windows so I created an hbox and put the label in that and then added the setup call to the hbox - but it ignores it	01:03
MangoFusion	GeneralAntilles: a scheduler?	01:03
GeneralAntilles	For adv-backlight	01:04
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MangoFusion	y'know what would be cool is if there was a decent calendar app which you could use to schedule tasks through dbus or something to change the brightness, send an email, and make a cup of coffee	01:05
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MangoFusion	nice idea though. but i wonder, wouldn't it be better to use a slider for the "To" value?	01:06
GeneralAntilles	Is there room for that? :P	01:07
GeneralAntilles	and I want people to be able to type in the value.	01:07
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lardman	zap: cool, means I can keep the same 1-based array indices of my MATLAB code too :)	01:10
MangoFusion	i'd be wondering "what on earth do all of these numbers mean?"	01:10
MangoFusion	but that's just me	01:10
lardman	MangoFusion: mute the volume when you're in a meeting, etc	01:11
GeneralAntilles	GeoClue.	01:11
GeneralAntilles	Too bad it's still a bit immature on Maemo.	01:12
MangoFusion	i don't see a "When i'm in a meeting" option in that screenshot ;)	01:12
lardman	indeed, we need an app though	01:12
lardman	sulpd api would be good too	01:12
lardman	s/sulpd/supld	01:12
lardman	http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge pg40 - locale	01:13
lardman	hmm, difficult url that one: "http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge"	01:13
lbt	well - you've all been totally useless tonight :)	01:14
lbt	I've had to resort to email!!!	01:14
lardman	we try :)	01:14
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lbt	I did do some docs for the gtkmm guys	01:14
MangoFusion	nice apps. pity there's nothing real i can run them on. :(	01:15
lbt	and sent them to gnome-c++ as per the instructions - no reply though	01:15
lardman	I wasn't acting as an Android fanboy, we should have some cool apps like that too!	01:15
lbt	<sigh>	01:15
lbt	OK - I'm done - g'night all...	01:15
lardman	night lbt	01:16
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zap	Anybody succeeded to resize that Yellow Notes applet?	01:19
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lardman	I'm hitting the sack too, night all	01:20
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Makegho	hmm, su doesn't work so I have to ssh root@localhost ;-)	01:22
GeneralAntilles	~rootaccess	01:23
infobot	hmm... rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access	01:23
Makegho	thanks	01:23
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Makegho	is it possible to open multiple x terminals at the same time? I can't access the local tablet when I'm chatting on irc :)	01:30
GeneralAntilles	It supports tabs. . . .	01:30
Makegho	oh	01:31
Makegho	gotcha, thanks	01:31
Makegho	there's so much to learn. ^^	01:32
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qos	hey guys. whats about the screen rotation thing. did something change for diablo?	02:44
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194	02:45
GeneralAntilles	Google. . . .	02:45
crashanddie	does a bluetooth mouse work for the n8x0 ?	02:46
jott	qos: and use the all new advanced-backlight instead of the old rotate-sb-plugin :)	02:47
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qos	jott, an hour ago i made a new theme for it ;)	02:48
qos	42 icons are much :)	02:48
GeneralAntilles	No kidding.	02:48
GeneralAntilles	84 is even worse. ;)	02:48
qos	you did it twice?	02:49
GeneralAntilles	LCARS and the default set	02:49
jott	qos: where is your theme? if it's good we can integrate it in the next release ;)	02:49
qos	its a combination of the both original plugins... currently its on my desktop pc. and i am in my bed. ;)	02:51
qos	jott, do you remember that i did suggest you and icon for your own plugin?	02:52
jott	ah that was you :)	02:52
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Zmiko	perrin8100d:	02:53
qos	yeah ;) the 2 squares ...	02:53
jott	qos: i did not work on this stuff until last weekend..	02:53
qos	does the new plugin also rotate the dpad?	02:54
jott	and now it ended in an all new shiny join with adv-backlight ;)	02:54
jott	yes	02:54
jott	might have to add an option for this	02:54
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GeneralAntilles	Hardware key assignment is on the list.	02:54
jott	GeneralAntilles: d-pad rotation is already in ;)	02:55
GeneralAntilles	Oh?	02:55
GeneralAntilles	How do you switch it?	02:55
jott	you can't disable it atm	02:55
qos	you showed me the code for it ;)	02:55
jott	it just rotates the dpad according to the xrandr rotation	02:55
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qos	which was much more elegant than mine ;)	02:55
jott	:P	02:56
GeneralAntilles	dpad changes brightness and volume levels over here.	02:56
qos	thats enought	02:56
jott	GeneralAntilles: no, the dpad in general.. if you rotate then up, down, left, right are remapped	02:56
jott	so you can scroll intuitively	02:57
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GeneralAntilles	OH	02:58
GeneralAntilles	Right	02:58
* GeneralAntilles is dumbass		02:58
qos	so, is there a central place to get the rotation? something like rotation.garage.maemo.org? so that everytime a new kernel gets released you can get the patched kernel there...	02:58
GeneralAntilles	I was thinking that press a dpad direction when the applet was open would rotate to that orientation.	02:58
jott	heh it was too intuitive to realize ;)	02:58
GeneralAntilles	Right, right.	02:58
GeneralAntilles	The best kind of intuitive!	02:58
jott	qos: might be an idea..	02:59
jott	or just push the kernel to extras	02:59
GeneralAntilles	Everything should be pushed to Extras	02:59
jott	just have to think about a sane way to make it optional	02:59
GeneralAntilles	with maybe the kernel being in Extra-devel.	02:59
jott	probably a "Provides" would do the job..	03:00
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jott	GeneralAntilles: kernel could also be in regular extras if it is "solved the right way" (tm)	03:00
GeneralAntilles	Of course	03:00
GeneralAntilles	a "rotation-support" package would be pretty cool	03:01
jott	i guess just naming it differently and using the provides field allows it to be installed without breaking stuff	03:01
* jott has yet to get himself access to the autobuilder ;)		03:01
jott	hmm if this "provides" works as i think it should, we could also push the xserver this way..	03:03
jott	and then some rotation-support metapackaggggge..	03:03
jott	arg keyboard :)	03:03
GeneralAntilles	It's cooler that way. ;)	03:03
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qos	what does the kernel-diablo-flasher package? i guess it flashes my kernel, but how in detail?	03:09
GeneralAntilles	It's slightly mis-named.	03:10
GeneralAntilles	Flashing is handled by the fiasco-flasher on the device	03:10
GeneralAntilles	which is essentially a slightly slimmed down version of the regular Linux flasher.	03:10
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jott	and invoked by the "flash-and-reboot" script	03:10
jott	which just takes the /usr/share/osso/images/zImage-diablo-200823 and calls the fiasco-flasher	03:11
jott	(and the initfs in the same dir)	03:11
qos	ahh, okay	03:13
qos	so, just a small reboot	03:13
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qos	so, i am back	03:15
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qos	great work, looks really great the new plugin	03:16
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qos	by the way. there is still a fix for the icq problem missing, right?	03:17
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qos	... still no fix ... upps	03:19
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199997#post199997	03:20
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qos	GeneralAntilles, ahhh a fix. but i was thinking about the latest pidgin	03:24
fnordianslip	talking of the flasher, presumably flashing a kernel to my cloned internal card is done the same way as flashing to, er, the flash ?	03:24
qos	the developer wrote in the garage project, that he is working on it	03:24
GeneralAntilles	Your card and the flash share the same kernel.	03:25
fnordianslip	aha. didn't think of that. no probs.	03:25
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jott	fnordianslip: just pay attention when you invoke "flash-and-reboot" as this will overwrite your initfs	03:26
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GeneralAntilles	Just use fiasco-flasher	03:26
GeneralAntilles	Leave flash-and-reboot for Nokia.	03:27
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fnordianslip	ok. i've still gotta update scratchbox and build the kernel so no rush	03:27
fnordianslip	unless osmeone else fancies switching on support for AX.25 ? ;-)	03:28
jott	ax.25? woo this is still in use?	03:31
jott	prepare for the day after? ;)	03:32
Gracana	It's in use by amateur radio operators..	03:32
fnordianslip	oh yes. i've just bought a new TNC this week, and have been writing some code for the Delay Tolerant Networking research Group's Bundling Protocol so run on AX.25.	03:32
Gracana	For standard packet radio	03:32
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jott	yeah just haven't heared of people using it for years ;)	03:32
Gracana	There's still a pretty active packet radio network around the US.	03:33
jott	amazing ;)	03:33
Gracana	Er, maybe not terribly active, but pretty existant anyway. :P	03:33
fnordianslip	so maybe someone could turn on support in a kernel	03:33
fnordianslip	or I'll have to do it myself	03:33
Gracana	APRS has survived quite well.	03:33
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jott	fnordianslip: wouldn't it be suffice to build the module?	03:34
Gracana	There is a lot of APRS traffic.	03:34
fnordianslip	perhaps? is that a good plan?	03:34
fnordianslip	is it enabled as a module?	03:34
jott	no there are almost no modules installed	03:34
fnordianslip	wouldn't the kernel config have to have it specifically enabled as a module	03:35
jott	yeah that too, but nokia does not really ship kernel modules	03:35
jott	fnordianslip: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html	03:36
jott	there you find how to build a module	03:36
fnordianslip	yeah the bit where i have to manually edit the .config file is the scarey bit	03:37
jott	use make menuconfig ;)	03:37
jott	or even make xconfig :p	03:37
fnordianslip	i tried that before in scratchbox	03:37
fnordianslip	why does the wiki say to edit it by hand?	03:37
jott	well some people like it this way as it seems..	03:38
jott	and it's less text in the tutorial ;)	03:38
jott	and it's pretty straight forward anyway	03:38
lcuk	crashanddie,	03:38
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fnordianslip	cool. will get hacking	03:39
qos	e.g. i like the textway more ,)	03:40
jott	qos: only problem is when you upgrade the kernel and you get new options ;)	03:40
jott	then you still have to use make oldconfig :)	03:40
fnordianslip	yeah, but it also says to use vi. fat chance!	03:41
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qos	ok, i dont lie vi that much :) as long you come to an finish	03:41
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qos	so, good night together	03:44
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NeoStrider_	hey folks	04:04
NeoStrider_	would you guys suggest me to use a double buffer for speed reasons?	04:08
NeoStrider_	I do draw a lot of polygons	04:08
NeoStrider_	flickering is not a matter for me	04:08
rm_you	hrm, i know lcuk does graphics, but looks like he is asleep <_<	04:08
NeoStrider_	lcuk would be a good guy to answer me =-)	04:09
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rm_you	bah X-Fade isn't even here for me to ping	04:15
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crashanddie	anyway	04:18
crashanddie	I'm out	04:18
crashanddie	cheers everyone	04:18
GeneralAntilles	'night	04:18
crashanddie	btw	04:18
crashanddie	I'll try to release a preview of my graphic spectrum based on mic input	04:19
crashanddie	(tomorrow)	04:19
crashanddie	I'm not sure I'll be able to, but I'll try	04:19
GeneralAntilles	Oooh	04:19
GeneralAntilles	fun	04:19
crashanddie	cheers	04:20
jott	crashanddie: oh did you take a looked at libvisual? or have i asked you that already?	04:20
jott	look	04:20
crashanddie	jott, lol, you lucky I wanted to check something on my mouse's behaviour, or I wouldn't have opened the lid again	04:20
crashanddie	oh well, last cigarette I gues	04:20
crashanddie	+s	04:20
crashanddie	jott, I don't think I've heard anything about libvisual	04:21
jott	it's sadly not in further development atm	04:21
jott	but it gives a nice framework for audio visualization	04:21
jott	i tried running it on the tablet and it seems to work..	04:22
sin18	the forums suggest using ssh roo@localhost (on nokia n800 /diablo) but it fails to log me in when i use 'rootme' password	04:22
sin18	ssh root@localhost*	04:22
GeneralAntilles	~rootaccess	04:22
infobot	well, rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access	04:22
crashanddie	jott, I'll have to look into it, but from what I'm reading, it seems quite heavy	04:23
crashanddie	jott, I don't need the fourier engine, considering gstreamer already does that for me	04:24
crashanddie	And I'd really want to prove that you can do a lot with this NIT when you use optimized code	04:25
jott	look at the nice example :)	04:25
jott	it runs some pretty heavy visualization fluently	04:25
crashanddie	what example ?	04:26
jott	hold on	04:27
rm_you	visualization of mic input would be totally awesome :P	04:30
crashanddie	:P	04:30
rm_you	really only see it as a a random toy, but hella fun :P	04:30
rm_you	would look neat sitting on a desk	04:30
GeneralAntilles	Random toys are good for making other people feel small with their crappy devices. :P	04:30
crashanddie	well, ideally, I'd like to be able to choose different inputs	04:31
rm_you	especially if there was a big giant clock somewhere on the display still :)	04:31
sin18	infobot : thanks	04:31
infobot	pas de quoi, sin18	04:31
GeneralAntilles	:(	04:31
crashanddie	infobot : you speak french ? Awesome	04:31
crashanddie	~cookie GeneralAntilles	04:31
infobot	Hey crashanddie, is	04:31
crashanddie	ok	04:32
rm_you	lol, you break infobot? :P	04:32
jott	crashanddie: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7581/foouf2.png	04:32
GeneralAntilles	Ha	04:32
jott	this runs super smooth	04:32
jott	and reacts to music	04:32
crashanddie	hmm	04:32
crashanddie	I'll have to look into it then	04:32
crashanddie	but I just want to get my small stuff working	04:33
jott	sure	04:33
crashanddie	I'll need to get a newer version of gstreamer online, shitty stuff like that which I really don't have time for	04:33
crashanddie	plus it would appear libvisual is integrated into gstreamer	04:33
crashanddie	which would be pure awesomeness in a can	04:33
crashanddie	jott, thanks for the tip	04:33
jott	sure no problem.. did some work with it ..	04:33
jott	more on the desktop (pixelshader based stuff)..	04:34
crashanddie	jott, I'd appreciate it if you could email me that stuff though	04:34
crashanddie	crashanddie@gmail.com	04:34
jott	yeah i'll see if i can still find it..	04:34
jott	was 1-2 years ago	04:34
crashanddie	oh, ok	04:35
jott	or even longer.. who knows ;)	04:35
crashanddie	well, don't bother if it's too much hassle	04:35
crashanddie	AND DAMNIT	04:35
crashanddie	MAPS KEEP FAILING TO DOWNLOAD	04:35
jott	servers down?	04:35
GeneralAntilles	They should ship everybody free DVD copies.	04:35
crashanddie	Map of 296MB, fails at 280	04:35
crashanddie	awesome	04:35
GeneralAntilles	I've never managed to get it to download a whole map set successfully.	04:35
jott	crashanddie: atleast you can check the libvisual sources as there are some nice visualization algorithms in there	04:36
crashanddie	jott, their website is down atm, only wiki is up	04:36
jott	yeah	04:36
jott	the main dev got his own company..	04:36
t_s_o	hmm, i guess people know of the recent nokia im client beta with gps support. i wonder, can something similar be put onto the tablets?	04:36
jott	so he has no more time.. :(	04:36
crashanddie	understandably	04:37
jott	yeah	04:37
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crashanddie	anyway, thanks for giving me some more work jott :P	04:38
jott	hah my duty	04:38
rm_you	t_s_o: so people know where you are IMing them from? :P	04:38
crashanddie	I'm off	04:38
jott	bye	04:38
rm_you	later	04:38
t_s_o	something like that rm_you	04:38
crashanddie	I imagine the conversation "dude... I'm on google maps right now, looking at your coordinates... Are you on the can ?" "err, well" "that's just gross"	04:39
GeneralAntilles	Ha	04:39
GeneralAntilles	One of the top 10 places to use your tablet?	04:39
t_s_o	http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat	04:39
crashanddie	that's about as discreet as the "splash" during a phone conversation	04:39
jott	this so reminds me so of the google epic 2014	04:40
jott	it was quite funny when google actually announced android ;)	04:41
jott	http://idorosen.com/mirrors/robinsloan.com/epic/ for those of you not knowing it yet	04:41
jott	really nice ;)	04:41
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rm_you	lol	04:43
jott	timeline might not be accurate ;)	04:44
rm_you	never heard of friendster >_>	04:45
rm_you	lol yeah we watched this in my Mass Media class :P	04:47
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jott	actually it's epic 2015 i meant :P	04:49
jott	http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/new-masterfs1.html	04:49
jott	where they integrated the location based services ;)	04:49
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rm_you	lol, updated version <_<	04:52
rm_you	yeah thats the one we watched	04:52
rm_you	and i walked up and showed my professor what i was working on	04:52
rm_you	which was my n800 with GPS and wikimapia data	04:53
GeneralAntilles	lol	04:53
rm_you	and she was like "... ... ... ..."	04:53
jott	hehe	04:53
rm_you	all the people around me were like "WOAH" watching the video	04:54
jott	yeah really nicely done	04:54
rm_you	and i was like "oh, what a coincidence, i was just working on doing that"	04:54
jott	and not too far fetched ;)	04:54
rm_you	and then they were like "woah! ... ... nerd :P"	04:54
jott	hehe	04:54
rm_you	why is EVERYTHING on garage SOOOOOO slow	04:56
GeneralAntilles	It's awful, isn't it?	04:56
rm_you	links take like 45 seconds to load	04:56
rm_you	EVERYTHING	04:56
GeneralAntilles	Just do something else while it's doing things. :P	04:56
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rm_you	just trying to edit tasks... >_>	04:56
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rm_you	i want to see the tracker merged just so it won't be on garage anymore	04:56
GeneralAntilles	Stupid Finnish vacation interrupted our server upgrades. . . .	04:56
GeneralAntilles	Ha	04:56
* GeneralAntilles wishes for bugzilla everytime I use tracker.		04:56
rm_you	so it wont take me 10 minutes to change the info on a bug	04:57
GeneralAntilles	If only andre and guenther would get back from freaking GUADEC we might be able to make some headway on that.	04:57
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rm_you	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQ7RkyBoBc	06:08
rm_you	rofl	06:08
jott	pupnik posted that already a few days ago :P	06:12
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rm_you	ah :P well, it's awesome	06:15
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GeneralAntilles	rm_you is so behind the curve.	06:19
rm_you	lol	06:20
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doc\|home	rm_you: this is great :D	06:23
rm_you	see, someone hadn't seen it :P	06:24
tank-man	it was pasted before but was at some slow site	06:25
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ds3	heh mass media class... trying hard not to think of USB	06:25
rm_you	hrm, got on a youtube browsing streak... they have 3d tvs now? >_>	06:25
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doc\|home	bwahaha, arrange by penis	06:26
rm_you	WOWvx 3D? anyone seen one IRL?	06:26
GeneralAntilles	lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201589#post201589	06:27
t_s_o	having your own version of the video there GeneralAntilles?	06:28
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GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, thankfully he hasn't mentioned his penis yet. ;)	06:29
t_s_o	hope he never do...	06:29
rm_you	lol	06:29
rm_you	awesome conversation there	06:30
t_s_o	have someone made a .install file for the chinook extra dir? i fear the forum is about to implode because of that...	06:30
GeneralAntilles	lol	06:31
GeneralAntilles	t_s_o, it's long gone.	06:31
GeneralAntilles	It was the same thing last november	06:31
t_s_o	heh, figures	06:31
GeneralAntilles	At least we don't have anybody asking why they need libhildon0 <_<	06:31
t_s_o	hmm, seems its listed on gronmeyer now so i just copied the link from there :P	06:33
GeneralAntilles	Diablo Extras should be mostly there in a couple weeks	06:33
GeneralAntilles	so hopefully it'll resolve itself.	06:33
GeneralAntilles	Ugh	06:34
t_s_o	or maybe i gave the wrong link. bah...	06:34
GeneralAntilles	Can trying to solicit money on Planet be grounds for removing that feed?	06:34
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/	06:35
GeneralAntilles	See aisu's entry. <_<	06:35
t_s_o	:S	06:37
GeneralAntilles	The digg links that get inserted into the bottom of a bunch of entries piss me off, too.	06:37
* GeneralAntilles thumbs all of aisu's entries.		06:39
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rm_you	GAH forgot for a second my laptop is a convertable tabletpc >_>	06:57
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rm_you	grabbed the botton of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P	06:57
rm_you	s/botton/bottom/	06:57
infobot	rm_you meant: grabbed the bottom of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P	06:57
rm_you	scared the crap out of me	06:58
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Raytray	interesting bot	06:59
GeneralAntilles	. . .	06:59
Raytray	s/bot/lol	06:59
Raytray	aw	06:59
GeneralAntilles	close it properly. . . .	06:59
GeneralAntilles	It's only interesting function is sed.	06:59
Raytray	oh heh	06:59
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Raytray	s/heh/k/	07:00
infobot	Raytray meant: oh k	07:00
rm_you	and other things	07:00
rm_you	~lart GeneralAntilles a clue	07:01
* infobot wallops GeneralAntilles a clue with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long		07:01
rm_you	bah i did that wrong	07:01
Raytray	Whose is it?	07:01
rm_you	~lart rm_you for not having a clue	07:01
* infobot puts rm_you into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of rm_you's hair of for not having a clue		07:01
GeneralAntilles	~lart rm_you with competence	07:01
* infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down rm_you with competence's throat until rm_you with competence puts on 150lbs		07:01
GeneralAntilles	TimRiker	07:01
GeneralAntilles	It's in a bunch of Linux channels.	07:01
GeneralAntilles	~list	07:01
infobot	one warez list being sent	07:01
GeneralAntilles	~chanlist	07:01
GeneralAntilles	OK then	07:01
rm_you	lol?	07:01
rm_you	~list	07:02
infobot	one warez list being sent	07:02
GeneralAntilles	Ha	07:02
rm_you	random	07:02
rm_you	~lart infobot for lieing	07:02
* infobot beats rm_you severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for lieing		07:02
rm_you	lol	07:02
rm_you	~lart rm_you for falling for that	07:02
* infobot teaches rm_you for falling the basics, including how to RTM for that		07:02
rm_you	wow that is very unpredictable	07:02
rm_you	~cookie rm_you	07:02
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ...		07:03
GeneralAntilles	No.	07:03
GeneralAntilles	I'm taking away your bot privileges.	07:03
rm_you	ono	07:03
rm_you	s/ono/oyes/	07:03
infobot	rm_you meant: oyes	07:03
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Cptnodegard	what happened to gronmayer?	07:13
rm_you	So there is a google filter that blocks explicit content.... Why isn't there a google filter that blocks non-explicit content? :P	07:13
Proteous	lol	07:16
rm_you	I definitely see distinctly valid uses for each :)	07:16
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yigal	can anyone suggest a sip service provider?	07:22
rm_you	ekiga.net	07:23
yigal	they offer a quality service, other than their software being included with GNOME?	07:23
GeneralAntilles	sipphone.net	07:23
GeneralAntilles	er, http://sipphone.com/	07:24
rm_you	yigal: yep :P	07:24
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yigal	ok two good ones, I think I want to try this method, haven't done it before	07:25
yigal	I tried skype a couple of years ago and then didn't bother with it afterwords	07:25
GeneralAntilles	Too bad GrandCentral isn't handing out anymore invites.	07:25
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yigal	GeneralAntilles: for sipphone.com just use the gizmo application that comes with os2008?	07:29
GeneralAntilles	You could	07:29
GeneralAntilles	But I use the built-in client	07:29
GeneralAntilles	don't have to have the Gizmo application taking up space in the taskbar all the time.	07:30
yigal	makes sense	07:30
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yigal	GeneralAntilles: like all of your advice sipphone hits the nail on the head for what my needs are, I bow to your knowledge	07:40
GeneralAntilles	Glad to have helped. :)	07:40
yigal	:)	07:40
yigal	it did very much	07:40
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yigal	GeneralAntilles: so I actually need to use the gizmo software first in order to create an account and then I can delete it?	07:50
yigal	or install on another machine to set it up, initially	07:52
yigal	yes, a little off topic don't worry it's simple enough to do	07:54
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GeneralAntilles	yigal, you can register on the website.	07:57
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yigal	too late :)	08:04
Prez00_	can i mount my FS from my ubuntu box on a diablo runnign n800?	08:05
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GeneralAntilles	Prez00_, are you asking if you can mount your rootfs in two places at the same time? :\	08:06
Prez00_	no, just mount a share from my ubuntu box on the n800	08:06
GeneralAntilles	Ah, right	08:07
GeneralAntilles	Sure	08:07
GeneralAntilles	There's a dozen and one ways to do it.	08:07
Prez00_	good deal, will google for one..	08:08
GeneralAntilles	sshfs and samba are two valid options.	08:09
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Prez00_	got it	08:14
Prez00_	found a mount wizard...	08:14
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befr0d	uh It seems like ukmp does not uses canola covers :/ at least it download them from the internet.	08:37
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rm_you	BLAH, back in debian, windoze is a nightmare	08:42
XTLi	Indeed	08:44
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rm_you	wow, the bluetooth in my phone is like... TOO powerful >_>	09:19
rm_you	trying to use blue-proximity to lock my machine when i walk away...	09:19
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GeneralAntilles	Put some aluminum foil around the antenna. :P	09:19
rm_you	but i can freaking wall outside my apartment, down the hall, out of wireless internet range, and it still thinks i'm within like 10 feet	09:20
rm_you	based on signal strength :P	09:20
rm_you	s/wall/walk/ (yes, this isn't going to work)	09:20
Stskeeps	rm_you: use the rssi strength instead?	09:21
pyhimys	faraday cage!	09:21
Stskeeps	that's sure to vary	09:21
rm_you	rssi?	09:21
rm_you	what does it use by default?	09:21
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rm_you	i think thats what it does	09:22
Stskeeps	probably just detecting the bluetooth device is detectable	09:22
rm_you	ah	09:23
rm_you	It connects to your mobile phone via bluetooth and uses the rssi value – something like the automatically set transmission power – to get a distance approximation.	09:23
rm_you	so yeah	09:23
rm_you	they're saying that a value of 7 for them means like, across the room	09:23
Stskeeps	they don't measure in dbm? :P odd	09:23
rm_you	i walked down the hall from my apartment, and with three closed doors behind me i had a 9	09:24
rm_you	i can go ANYWHERE in this apartment and still have a 0	09:24
rm_you	and it isn't a small apartment	09:24
rm_you	maybe i will try using n800 as the device instead of my cell	09:24
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GeneralAntilles	lol	09:27
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rm_you	bah i think it is cause of the bluetooth dongle i'm using in my PC >_>	09:29
rm_you	it's a class 1	09:30
burnte	here's a crazy kooky question. Let's say I have stuff set up in a way I'd like to preserve. Like on makes an image of a freshly installed PC ready to go, how might I grab a snapshot of the boot part and later restore it if need be?	09:31
rm_you	burnte: on a live PC, not in a virtual machine?	09:31
qwerty12	burnte, an image of the N8*0?	09:32
burnte	n810, yeah	09:32
burnte	sorry for leaving that out	09:32
rm_you	ah lol	09:32
burnte	I guess that's kidn of "important"	09:32
qwerty12	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31	09:32
burnte	I've been up for 0 hours and I'm not 15 anymore, DON'T JUDGE ME!	09:32
burnte	yeah, see, that 0 should have been 20	09:33
* burnte fails		09:33
qwerty12	heh	09:33
* burnte looks at the link provided		09:33
qwerty12	If you don't have an mmc partition to restore from, using the linux/macos flasher should restore it fine.	09:33
XTLi	I'VE been up for 0 hours.	09:33
burnte	XTLi: Is it as good as I've heard it is?	09:33
burnte	qwerty12: Thankfully, 2gb internal, so, that's good stuff.	09:34
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XTLi	burnte: I don't know. By the time I wake up, all I have is very obscure logs and occasionally some code	09:35
burnte	qwerty12: Also, it seems that the post you linked is pretty much exactly what I want to do.	09:35
qwerty12	Cool :)	09:35
burnte	XTLi: I have the obscure logs, but usually an empty bowl of cereal instead of code.	09:35
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, would you happened to have checked to see if the fiasco-flasher can really flash the rootfs?	09:37
qwerty12	I tried flashing a fiasco image using fiasco-flasher and all it does is extract the kernel and initfs and flash them.	09:38
qwerty12	I didn't see any switches for rootfs flashing too :(	09:38
GeneralAntilles	Valid --flash-only options:	09:38
GeneralAntilles	nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs	09:38
GeneralAntilles	It might be an interesting thing to bundle onto the initfs.	09:39
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qwerty12	It sounds like it would be. Hmm, if my ssh worked, I'd be tempted to chroot to an diablo install on the mmc to see if it worked.	09:42
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qwerty12	Erm, isn't mce closed source?	09:46
GeneralAntilles	Should be.	09:46
qwerty12	http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/chinook/free/source/m/	09:46
qwerty12	I'm saving that one for keeps.	09:46
qwerty12	Looks like the real shit to me too.	09:46
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GeneralAntilles	What's the license?	09:47
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qwerty12	Can't find a LICENSE file anywhere :/	09:48
GeneralAntilles	Well, it's definitely OLD	09:48
GeneralAntilles	"Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, unless you have permission from Nokia Corporation."	09:48
qwerty12	True, but if's the only source publicly available.	09:49
qwerty12	Heh :/	09:49
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Stskeeps	qwerty12: it's in bora/ too	09:49
qwerty12	Hmm, why have the source to an old one available but not the latest :(	09:50
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qwerty12	anyway, should save me from resorting to dbus-monitor when I want to make a dbus-send command to save me time.	09:52
qwerty12	for mce anywayz	09:53
qwerty12	Hmm, access to CAL is through MCE right?	09:56
qwerty12	*DSME	09:56
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burnte	danke all, good night.	09:58
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trickie	qwerty12: i believe so... dsme	10:00
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qwerty12	Thanks trickie.	10:00
* qwerty12 goes on the search for more nokia projects at garage		10:00
qwerty12	It's where the source for things like dsme is kept etc anyway.	10:00
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alsor	hello, i installed the scratchbox, and run it correctly. But there is no selections in Utilities->... also like the Extras...	10:03
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trickie	source for dsme? i thought the only copy in the wild was the one lardman accidently found	10:03
zap	hmm, osso-browser-ui-l10n sources are not available	10:04
alsor	How can I add selection like those in N810? like Utilities->Xterm ?	10:04
zap	Anybody knows what this license would mean: "Licensed under same terms as the software component the l10n strings have been derived from" ?	10:04
trickie	when did they open up mce?	10:05
XTLi	alsor: you mean .desktop files?	10:05
melmoth	zap: is this in a po file or something ?	10:05
zap	yes	10:06
zap	this package contains the translations for osso-xterm	10:06
zap	which is GPL per se	10:06
melmoth	sounds like the trnaslation file has the same licence that the software it is used for	10:06
XTLi	zap: that the l10n file sort of goes with the main	10:06
alsor	XTLi, oh, I didn't modify the .Desktop yet.	10:06
XTLi	^	10:06
zap	XTLi: does this mean that osso-browser-ui-l10n is GPL as well?	10:06
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XTLi	alsor: I mean that they come from such files.. You can read some packaging policy about the	10:07
melmoth	if i understand correclty the trnaslated file in osso-browser-ui-l10n are under the same licence as osso-browser-ui	10:07
XTLi	zap: that's how I understand that IANAL	10:07
zap	melmoth: but what has osso-xterm to do with osso-browser-ui? :)	10:08
melmoth	i don't know, but this is the package you mentionned :)	10:08
alsor	XTLi, thanks, I will look into the files	10:08
zap	ok I see your point )	10:08
zap	but anyway it's a very strange approach	10:09
zap	osso-xterm is GPL while translations are proprietary	10:09
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XTLi	Actually I think it more specifically follows the license of the strings that were translated	10:11
XTLi	Whereever they came from :)	10:11
zap	by the way, there's no osso-browser or osso-browser-ui package at all	10:12
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zap	okay so if strings came from osso-xterm, those strings are GPL? and the strings that came from a proprietary app, are proprietary?	10:13
zap	what a hot mix of licenses in one package :)	10:13
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XTLi	They could have come from a subcontractor, never released and classified :)	10:14
zap	the header says it's maintained by a Nokia employee	10:15
* zap wonders what will happen if he'll msgunfmt the .po files		10:15
XTLi	You could have such fun with these licenses and micropayments	10:15
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GeneralAntilles	osso-browser-ui became tablet-browser-ui	10:19
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zap	ah, that's it	10:26
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rm_you	lcuk_zzz / lardman\|gone / X-Fade / qwerty12 / timely : ANY of you there? :P	10:29
rm_you	seems like NO ONE is on right now	10:29
Stskeeps	hmm, i may have cracked the debian wireless power consumption	10:29
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rm_you	X-Fade: hey :P	10:30
rm_you	Hrm, so i need people's opinions	10:32
ameng	Hi, guys after Ichanged /etc/fonts/font.conf. my n810 will always restart and can not startup. What can i do?	10:33
glass	reflash?	10:34
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rm_you	If advanced-backlight replaced (actually physically removed and took the place of) the original brightness control panel applet, what amount of evil would that most closely resemble: picking a flower for your loved one, picking a flower for no reason, or picking a flower for Hitler? >_>	10:35
ameng	glass:is there other way except reflash?	10:35
Stskeeps	rm_you: isn't there a sane way to dpkg --remove that applet?	10:36
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rm_you	Stskeeps: yeah, if we marked advanced-backlight as "replaces" on that package, would that be nice and happy?	10:36
glass	ameng: well if you had some way to access the filesystem without that..	10:36
lbt	rm_you: the most evil : picking a flower for no reason	10:37
rm_you	lol	10:37
Stskeeps	rm_you: i would be happy, :P	10:37
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lbt	it seems reasonable to 'replace' or 'conflict' though	10:37
rm_you	ok	10:37
rm_you	so, that would be ok?	10:38
XTLi	Writing a zoning law requiring all flowers be replaced with rhododendrons	10:38
XTLi	Actuallly I probably approve of it.	10:38
rm_you	those are particularly obnoxious to spell >_>	10:38
XTLi	Adv bl, not rhododendrons	10:39
rm_you	lol	10:39
rm_you	:P	10:39
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Stskeeps	http://rafb.net/p/Ldd68E59.html <- am i right in assuming noticing the use of IW_POWER_MULTICAST_R in wlancond would make it possible to do maemo-like power saving for wifi in debian, using "just" wireless-tools?	10:40
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joyious	glass:if i reflash the N810, will it change the data in /media/mmc2	10:56
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glass	joyious: dunno, might not, probably not	10:57
rm_you	joyious: it should not.	10:59
melmoth	it never did change the content of my memory card here	10:59
joyious	thanks guys	10:59
joyious	I'll try that, but reflash the whole system only for a config file is not that good idea	11:00
GeneralAntilles	Don't break important config files then. :)	11:01
GeneralAntilles	Either that, or get yourself some sort of recovery method so you don't have to reflash when you do.	11:01
XTLi	Don't the backups usually go there?	11:03
XTLi	Would be fun if a reflash blew the backups away	11:03
joyious	how to make a backup?	11:04
joyious	make it as a image and reflash with it other than the original one ?	11:04
GeneralAntilles	XTLi, flashing doesn't touch the cards.	11:04
XTLi	Yes, that's what I mean	11:05
joyious	GeneralAntilles: any other way for recovery ? if the whole system can not start up	11:07
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GAN800	Install fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery or keep a second bootable partition on one of the cards.	11:08
joyious	can we access the filesystem with this "fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery" from PC then?	11:11
rm_you	yes, but...	11:12
rm_you	unfortunately you need to have the tablet booted up to flash it, i believe?	11:12
rm_you	or can you do it with flasher-3.0?	11:12
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joyious	i check the start up progress , it's almost 100%, the config i changed is just a fontconfig for init	11:13
GeneralAntilles	rm_you, sure, you just need the jffs2 image.	11:14
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joyious	GeneralAntilles, you mean i can just reflash the jffs2 image with flasher-3.0	11:15
rm_you	i hafta watch TV now <_<	11:15
rm_you	bbl	11:15
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darkterror46	greetings	11:18
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Addison	Greetings all!	11:20
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Stskeeps	http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/cfdisk.deb <- if anyone wants a cfdisk package	11:22
Stskeeps	(requires libncurses and libslang2)	11:22
Addison	What is cfdisk?	11:22
Stskeeps	it's a partitioner that doesn't suck like sfdisk	11:23
Stskeeps	:P	11:23
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Stskeeps	(libncurses5, sorry)	11:23
Addison	Well, all I know how to do is suck, so that's probably not for me. :)	11:23
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XTLi	From the MS-DOS school of UI design :)	11:24
Addison	Hey, I'm looking for the resident genius that can find me a 7x13 font in .ttf format.	11:25
Addison	Any takers?	11:25
GAN800	Stskeeps, think you could package that up for Extras?	11:25
Addison	I promise to write a song about you if you can find such a font.	11:25
Stskeeps	GAN800: possibly.. it's a bit of a hacky package though - util-linux package from armel stripped down and dependancies changed to match maemo libs	11:26
Stskeeps	it works 100% though	11:26
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Stskeeps	doesn't extras require building from source?	11:26
GAN800	It does.	11:27
Stskeeps	cos that might be difficult since someone in here stated util-linux broke when trying to compile it under sb or something	11:27
XTLi	You modified the binary .deb?	11:28
Addison	Okay, pop quiz. How can I possibly find a 7x13 font in .ttf format?	11:28
Stskeeps	XTLi: extracted it using dpkg-deb -e & -x, stripped it down and added better Depends: and modified it so it works with maemo :P	11:28
Addison	Anyone?	11:28
XTLi	Addison: converter and some X font?	11:29
Stskeeps	in any case i'm going to use it for nit-debian so we can add a partitioner step and a mkfs step :P	11:29
Addison	Hey XTLi, I have no idea what you just said. It was almost like reading Sputnik. I'm a complete newbie, anychance you could point me in a certain direction	11:30
Addison	?	11:30
XTLi	-misc-fixed <3	11:30
XTLi	Addison: honestly, I don't really know what you want either :)	11:31
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Addison	I'm just looking for a 7x13 font. I couldn't care less on how it looks, the size is all that matters.	11:31
Addison	Does that make any sense?	11:31
Addison	This font is for Xterminal only if that helps anyone.	11:32
Addison	Well, I'm growing tired of how stupid I am, I think I need to pass out right about now.	11:34
Addison	Have a good night everyone!	11:34
Addison	See ya!	11:34
XTLi	http://www.ank.com.ar/fonts/	11:34
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befr0d	heh, he missed it	11:35
XTLi	So no song? :(	11:36
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jackg	hi guys~I want to know how to stream to linux pc from the N800's webcam ~thanks~	12:11
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tank-man	jackg, i think there was an incomplete app called peakaboo that was based on vlc that did that. dont know if it was completeed	12:14
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jackg	you mean i have to install the vlc on the n800?	12:16
XTLi	There is some gstreamer tutorial at IBM	12:16
XTLi	IIRC	12:16
XTLi	Searching for maemo and camera I hit that once	12:16
tank-man	is this to spy on the girls locker room?	12:17
tank-man	:)	12:17
tank-man	in	12:17
XTLi	I wasnted a commandline or otherwise nongui camera app that doesnt slug along updating the screen	12:17
jackg	I know ~but gst-launch 's plug-ins is different from the pc~so it is different to match this plug-ins	12:18
XTLi	And on 810 require acrobatics in pointing the cam away from yourself	12:18
macoute	jackg: excuse me, but are you trying to make your messages harder to read on purpose?	12:18
macoute	there is no need at all to write strange characters when ircing	12:19
jackg	no~my english is poor~sorry	12:19
macoute	theres nothing wrong with your english but the tildes (~) :)	12:19
XTLi	Just say jaja and it'll be okay	12:19
gomiam	macoute: no, he's writing from Japan, probably, so instead of writing dots his keyboard uses ~ as sentence separator :-	12:19
gomiam	:-D	12:19
macoute	gomiam: ok :)	12:20
macoute	so he is not trying to make his messages harder to read on purpose ;)	12:20
jackg	i mean gstream 's gst-launch has many version ~ So it is diffcult to match these between them	12:20
gomiam	macoute: well, what can I say, I tend to believe people don't try to bother each other on purpose (in the beginning, at least)	12:20
tank-man	jackg, here is what I was talking about, http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/	12:21
tank-man	but I could not get it to work	12:21
jackg	it is different between pc and n800 about the gst-launch	12:21
jackg	thanks again	12:22
gomiam	macoute: actually, my traceroute to jackg points to his possibly being in China.	12:23
tank-man	you guys are talking like he isnt here, just ask him	12:24
gomiam	tank-man: but that's not so much fun as tracerouting and WHOISing ;-)	12:24
XTLi	Where's the fun in that?	12:24
jackg	I come from china~welcome	12:24
darkterror46	:-D	12:25
XTLi	\o/	12:25
gomiam	jackg: exactly from the Beijing province (or at least you are connected to the Beijing Province network)	12:25
gomiam	O:-)	12:25
jackg	yes i am a student from beijing	12:26
gomiam	I find it interesting there are Maemo users out there. jackg, are you somehow related to that new project that tries to bring Chinese-Japanese ideogram recognition to the Maemo platform?	12:26
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jackg	I am researching the Product and develop the new function~it is interesting that i mean it is the platform that we study each other~	12:30
jackg	so the knowledge is no Borders	12:30
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sbaturzio	Aloha!	12:57
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* Jaffa is sat in a company wide presentation on someone doing Business Process Opttimisation at a client. Very yawnsome.		13:03
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aquatix	Jaffa: -> n8x0 surfing!	13:06
Jaffa	yup Â:)	13:10
Jaffa	and doodles/hangman with colleagues	13:10
aquatix	:)	13:10
Jaffa	oh, and buzzword bingo	13:10
aquatix	of course ;)	13:10
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Jaffa	Worst so far, "solutionising"	13:11
hrw\|guadec	morning	13:11
Jaffa	lo hrw\|guadec	13:11
Jaffa	guadec good?	13:11
aquatix	Jaffa: hah	13:11
hrw\|guadec	Jaffa: yes	13:12
hrw\|guadec	but a bit too much parties ;)	13:12
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Jaffa	hrw\|guadec: heh	13:12
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lcuk_work	jaffa, i bet you aren't brave enough to jump up and shout "House!"	13:13
lcuk_work	and I hope you are doodling in liqbase ;)	13:14
Jaffa	lcuk_work: you'd be correct: I want a promotion in November ;-)	13:14
lcuk_work	then Mr Jaffa what are you doing chatting instead of listening	13:14
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* Jaffa admits to not having had time to try it yet		13:14
lcuk_work	tsktsk	13:15
Jaffa	lcuk_work: making notes ;-)	13:15
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lcuk_work	jaffa, hack into the projector and put a subliminal message on it "Jaffa deserves the promotion" "Equal opportunities for oranges"	13:17
Jaffa	:)	13:18
lardman	~lart cars with no spare wheel	13:18
* infobot DoSes cars with no spare wheel		13:18
lcuk_work	:S lardman thats not good	13:18
lcuk_work	intentionally no spare, or not replaced	13:18
Jaffa	lardman: problems?	13:18
lardman	intentional, no space for the spare due to exhaust, etc.	13:18
XTLi	Smart	13:19
lcuk_work	:S lardman that sucks	13:19
* Jaffa 's Touran has no spare but has a puncture repair kit :-/		13:19
lardman	Jaffa: couldn't get into the house last night and had a puncture	13:19
Jaffa	lardman: ouch	13:19
lcuk_work	we had some scally steal the back wheel from our peugeot - caught him in progess and he left his proper peugeot jack and spanner set - he got away with the wheel though	13:19
* lardman is loath to spray the foam in just to drive to a garage, will wait for gf to give me a lift this arvo		13:19
lcuk_work	lardman - ohhhh it wasnt your door that was punctured - i did wonder	13:20
lardman	lcuk_work: I thought you were joking :P	13:20
lcuk_work	:P...	13:20
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lcuk_work	what car is it?	13:21
lardman	My car has a jack, but the normal bolts & locking wheel nut are different sizes and it doesn't have an adaptor, silly design	13:21
lardman	Clio 182	13:21
lardman	Renault	13:21
lcuk_work	i thought it was required to have an emergency wheel, obviously not	13:22
lardman	it has foam	13:22
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lcuk_work	its a bit useless if the tire rips	13:23
lcuk_work	:D last time i had a puncture i had to get AA out. i snapped my wheelwrench	13:24
* lcuk_work doesnt know his own strength		13:24
lardman	lol	13:24
lcuk_work	some people would put it down to metal fatigue, but i know its cos ive got the REAL ULTIMATE POWER	13:24
lardman	lol x2	13:25
XTLi	!	13:25
XTLi	Those sheetmetal wrenches are ridiculous	13:26
lcuk_work	lardman, on topic, i think ill have a package by the end of this weekend and i can get back onto serious coding	13:26
lcuk_work	heh im not the only one http://107codf.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-wrench-needed.html	13:27
lcuk_work	back later	13:28
lardman	lcuk_work: cu later	13:28
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rm_you	ok, more people here, yay	13:34
rm_you	so, need opinions	13:34
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rm_you	we've been toying with the idea of completely replacing the original Display Control Panel applet. Assuming we replicate 100% of the original applet's functionality in the new one, and replace it properly (using 'conflict' or 'replace' in the dependencies of the new one), does that sound reasonable?	13:35
XTLi	Make it so.	13:36
rm_you	there was some concern voiced... shakes fist at GeneralAntilles ... that people might not like that	13:36
rm_you	so I'm trying to find out if doing something like that is reasonable :P	13:37
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melmoth	opinion=as long as 1) i can switch back to the previous state, 2) am alerted installing something will result in an given applet being remove.., then i think it s ok.	13:38
zap	rm_you: why not keep the old package name, then just don't tell anybody it's a replacement, present it as a 'upgrade'	13:41
* zap is all for progress		13:42
rm_you	rofl	13:42
rm_you	k	13:42
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Jaffa	rm_you: might need to be careful of osso-software-version and SSU	13:43
rm_you	yeah...	13:43
zap	will it require everybody to move to version-unlocked? :)	13:43
rm_you	possibly >_> i'm not sure quite how that works	13:44
XTLi	Provides: the right version?	13:44
zap	does it work?	13:44
konttori	Well, possibly, you could also do a dirty hack and replace the existing applet in the postinst of your app.	13:44
zap	as far as I've seen Provides: may contain only package name, version is ignored imho	13:45
konttori	then prerm could also have the 'put the original back to place ' functionality	13:45
rm_you	konttori: that was my original thought, but that was compared with kicking puppies and other vicious things	13:45
XTLi	might be	13:45
rm_you	GeneralAntilles basically just put his foot down against that one :P	13:45
konttori	rm_you: yeah, but otoh, it's pretty nice way to make it easy for the end users	13:45
rm_you	but it would be so easy... so very, very easy...	13:45
XTLi	Touching package managed binaries outside their install shouls set off klaxons	13:46
konttori	rm_you: I would do it that way myself	13:46
rm_you	yeah...	13:46
rm_you	THOUGH	13:46
rm_you	i can just edit the .desktop file for the applet	13:46
rm_you	don't have to touch the binary	13:46
XTLi	Bring in ED-209's	13:46
hrw\|guadec	bye	13:46
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XTLi	I wonder if a .desktop is considered a conf file	13:47
XTLi	This calls for...	13:48
XTLi	update-alternatives!	13:48
zap	update-alternatives is for binary filez	13:49
rm_you	lol but, does maemo even use that?	13:49
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lcuk_work	sorry guys, its been nice knowing you. my missus is gonna kill me later (and im gone again now)	13:49
rm_you	:( later lcuk	13:50
rm_you	or possibly not >_>	13:50
zap	:)	13:50
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wnd	update-alternatives isn't only for executables, but also used for manual pages	13:52
zap	hurray, my ssh key on garage finally got updated	13:55
rm_you	:P	13:55
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t_s_o	hmm, i cant recall that the "exit offline mode" dialog would ask twice at times and den give me the select network dialog	13:58
lcuk_work2	rm_you, just read back your thing about replacing the original brightness applet. maybe a better compromise would be to automatically disable them as part of your installation	13:58
lcuk_work2	if people install yours and dont like it and want original, if you replace the existing isnt there the chance they would be left with NO way to control these things	13:59
rm_you	lcuk_work: that's why i think i'll just change something in the .desktop	14:00
rm_you	worst case scenario, my uninstall script breaks, they have to go in and edit that one file and change one word... inconvenient, but not horrible	14:00
lcuk_work2	by the way, ask jott or others about how to correctly do the sudoers thing - your postinst script just appends at the moment doesnt it without locking	14:01
wnd	if you want to "temporarily" replace files in other packages, there's always dpkg-divert	14:01
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lcuk_work2	rm_you: maybe that will work though, but assume users dont have root nor access to be able to edit any system support files	14:02
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rm_you	then i give them a deb to fix it? >_>	14:02
lcuk_work2	so people may have to install something to uninstall something... neat	14:03
lcuk_work2	:P	14:03
lcuk_work2	lets see if tracy is watching	14:04
lcuk_work2	lcuk_work hey darling	14:04
zap	something like canola-clear or how it was called	14:05
zap	I remember installed it because I couldn't understand it's description	14:05
rm_you	lol	14:05
zap	and voila.... canola gone out automagically :)	14:05
lcuk_work2	it wouldnt be the first time, but dont things like that end up in the installed apps list?	14:05
lcuk_work2	and if you uninstall the clear tool does it restore the stuff you aimed to remove	14:06
rm_you	no	14:06
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zap	I'd kill people for such packages	14:06
rm_you	because the entirety of the work would have been done with like... sed, in a post-inst	14:06
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wnd	I'd expect a "clean up" package to conflict and replace with packages and question, and do the clean-up stuff in post-inst	14:06
crashanddie	lcuk_work2, did you just talk to yourself in the hope the better part of ya was watching IRC and would answer ?	14:06
zap	cleanup packages must die, they will clutter the app manager	14:07
wnd	s/replace with packages in/replace the packages in/	14:07
* wnd sighs		14:07
crashanddie	excepted that a package that deletes another packages can't exist with autobuilder	14:07
rm_you	doesnt matter	14:07
wnd	autobuilder can't handle building multiple mtas?	14:07
* zap hopes nobody will port gcompris to diablo		14:07
crashanddie	or, maybe it could, but it would be ironic, considering the removal package would require a dependency to the package it wants to remove	14:08
rm_you	not necessarily	14:08
rm_you	the fix would be a one liner sed command... it could run on the altered file or a perfectly fine file that doesnt need fixing, and it would only change the broken file	14:09
lcuk_work2	\o/	14:09
rm_you	so it wouldn't even need to care whether or not the package was installed previously	14:09
lcuk_work2	or however i do an angry one	14:09
zap	rm_you: do control panel applets have a .desktop file?	14:10
zap	aren't they just .so files or something like that?	14:10
crashanddie	lcuk_work2, .\|.. -_- ..\|.	14:10
crashanddie	lcuk_work2, that's angry	14:10
rm_you	zap: yes they do	14:10
lcuk_work2	crashanddie: she in on my home pc now, and i just asked her if she had seen. she said yer i thort it was a bit odd maybe a foreign gay geek lover or somethin	14:10
rm_you	lol	14:11
crashanddie	isn't that me ?	14:11
crashanddie	The foreign geek gay lover ?	14:11
lcuk_work2	lol must be	14:11
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zap	by the way, update-alternatives is used	14:11
rm_you	ah	14:12
lcuk_work2	it feels strange to use web based irc again	14:12
rm_you	well, possible	14:12
crashanddie	lcuk_work2, xchat on the NIT ?	14:12
lcuk_work2	anyway, i must vanish got dinner to munch - cyas alter	14:12
rm_you	i guess i could use that to swap out the .desktop file?	14:12
lcuk_work2	no	14:12
zap	rm_you: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/09/concise-guide-to-update-alternatives.html	14:12
lcuk_work2	lcuk_work cya soon tracy :) (K)	14:12
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Vlad	hello to all!	14:21
crashanddie	http://slexy.org/view/s22ehsIAMC <-- that's just sad	14:21
Vlad	can any one help me to setup cdma dun?	14:21
zap	rm_you: it looks like for update-alternative to work, both packages must be prepared ahead of time	14:21
Vlad	my short discrition is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201305#post201305	14:22
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zap	rm_you: the approach with patching the .desktop file has the downside that when you'll upgrade diablo, it will upgrade the .desktop file too	14:23
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rm_you	chances of them releasing a new version of the package that includes that control panel applet? ridiculously low. almost zero. even if they do, you just reinstall my package...	14:25
zap	Diablo is promised to be the first ITOS version which will upgrade flawlessly via apt-get upgrade	14:26
zap	so that'll inevitably happen on next OS upgrade	14:26
rm_you	maybe >_>	14:26
rm_you	anyway, i'll have a new package out by the for them to seamlessly upgrade to :)	14:27
aquatix	lcuk_work: liqbase is cool :)	14:27
aquatix	installed the zip	14:27
aquatix	is it correct the game doesn't work yet?	14:27
zap	rm_you: what if you "get hit by a bus"? :-)	14:28
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rm_you	then jott will do it	14:28
zap	what if he gets hired by m$?	14:28
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rm_you	then REINSTALL THE PACKAGE :P	14:28
zap	or rather, uninstall before upgrade	14:29
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aquatix	lcuk_work: or the Physics Sym	14:30
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rm_you	no need to uninstall	14:32
rm_you	reinstalling would re-run the sed script and fix the .desktop file	14:33
zap	sad, I see no clean way to do it. If you "alternativise" osso-applet-display during install of your package, you hit the same problem when osso-applet-display upgrades	14:33
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Vlad	sorry for disturb will try later	14:34
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aquatix	hm, advanced-backlight still crashes the environment on reload	14:36
rm_you	clean-est would prolly be something like this for the install: sed -i cpdisplay.desktop 's/cpdisplay.so/advanced-display.so/'	14:37
aquatix	btw, where does the maemo menu store its info?	14:37
rm_you	aquatix: if you don't unload it before you install the new version, yes	14:37
rm_you	that will happen with almost any applet	14:37
rm_you	you're technically advised to reboot :)	14:37
aquatix	i want to get rid of the rapsody entry that somehow sticks around	14:37
aquatix	rm_you: ah, k	14:38
aquatix	feh, reboots ;)	14:38
rm_you	:P	14:38
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lcuk_work	aquatix, the game is my ongoing test lab, the "pysics sim" requires sketches to do things with. the zip contains a folder (_apg) which if you follow the instructions will put a couple of example sketches in there. every time you go into "do some drawing" and draw something its saved when you Escape out	14:38
rm_you	aquatix: like the new version? :P	14:38
lcuk_work	physics ^	14:38
aquatix	lcuk_work: oh duh, i just created an empty _apg	14:39
lcuk_work	the physics shows the first 90 sketches and lets you play and resize them	14:39
* aquatix facepalms		14:39
crashanddie	one step forward, two steps backwards	14:39
aquatix	rm_you: ah, looks nice	14:39
lcuk_work	i shouldnt have called it "game" really - "thar be dragons"	14:39
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aquatix	really tiny font for the Brightness and Volume labels though	14:40
aquatix	lcuk_work: ghehe	14:40
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rm_you	aquatix: lol yeah	14:40
rm_you	but you know what they are :P	14:40
lcuk_work	if you do infact copy the sketches from the example thing then game shows a little bit more	14:40
rm_you	before they didn't say anything at all, and people understood :P	14:40
* lcuk_work should really expand on the proper insoftware documentaiton		14:41
crashanddie	does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ?	14:41
rm_you	oh, there's a known bug with the current version, wherein if you jump directly to maximum backlight, it will not update	14:41
rm_you	so just don't :P	14:41
rm_you	jump to one less than max :)(	14:41
crashanddie	lcuk_work, one line of code, 3 lines of doc	14:41
aquatix	lcuk_work: ah, now it makes more sense	14:41
aquatix	copied the _apg files	14:41
crashanddie	:D	14:41
lcuk_work	rm_you, could you PLEASEEE add a "MOAR Brightness" button so you can press it and use n810 as a torch at night?	14:41
XTLi	You could also make a package to kill all those closed demo installers	14:41
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XTLi	Sounds like it would be well-liked	14:42
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* lcuk_work is redesigning the whole sketching ui		14:43
lcuk_work	thats basically what "game" is the test for	14:43
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rm_you	heh, torch :P	14:43
XTLi	Flame on!	14:44
rm_you	torch is british for flashlight :) wheee	14:44
rm_you	wow that is too amusing	14:44
aquatix	13:41:36 birds entering main loop	14:44
aquatix	13:42:36 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at liquid@gmail.com	14:44
rm_you	i should sleep	14:44
aquatix	hm	14:44
rm_you	lol i did wonder about those birds	14:44
lcuk_work	lol heh, you eatiher pressed your home button or you let the screen saver/dim thing come on	14:45
aquatix	ah, dim	14:45
aquatix	that'd be it	14:45
lcuk_work	i run away screaming like a mad thing at the first sign of something i dont know how to handle	14:45
lcuk_work	i would rather do that than have it running and you not be able to do anything	14:45
aquatix	:)	14:45
* lcuk_work is actually thinking that putting email address there wasnt the brightest idea ;) but at least i know people are using it		14:46
XTLi	Should have put in @mailinator.com address and subscribed the feed	14:48
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lcuk_work	XTLi, nahhhh	14:48
lardman\|gone	time to fix my tyre :(	14:49
crashanddie	lcuk_work, I told you that some time ago already :P	14:49
lcuk_work	are you taking the wheel to garage lardman\|gone	14:49
crashanddie	lcuk_work, you're just warming up old jokes :P	14:49
lcuk_work	crashanddie, i know that and thats the same answer i gave then	14:49
crashanddie	does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ?	14:49
* lcuk_work puts them on the griddle		14:49
lcuk_work	crashanddie, you?	14:50
crashanddie	well	14:51
crashanddie	only with dependency hell :P	14:51
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lcuk_work	as a visual basic developer i feel your pain :)	14:51
lcuk_work	im goin, back alter	14:52
crashanddie	AH	14:52
crashanddie	HURRAY	14:52
crashanddie	well	14:53
crashanddie	yet another step forward	14:53
crashanddie	be prepared to fly back again :-°	14:53
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boolean	morning	14:58
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* rm_you sleeps		15:00
msh_	has anyone seen problems where apt seems to hang (running ldconfig) when installing g stuff in the armel sdk?	15:01
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msh_	(ldconfig using 100% cpu)	15:02
aquatix	rm_you: nn	15:02
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boolean	hmm .. the dot above the wireless icon ( applet? ) signifies what exactly?	15:04
lopz	hola	15:04
Ave	ad hoc?	15:04
Ave	its in the manual afaicr	15:04
boolean	didnt see ... time to rtfm	15:04
crashanddie	w00t w00t	15:05
crashanddie	and 3 steps back	15:05
crashanddie	:D	15:05
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aquatix	crashanddie: ?	15:07
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crashanddie	Jaffa, you around ?	15:16
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crashanddie	anyway	15:22
crashanddie	time for coffee break	15:22
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boolean	ok the user guide does not have any mention of what the do above the icon mean ... any other docs I should be looking at?	15:28
boolean	s/icon/wireless icon	15:29
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aquatix	boolean: it means `ad-hoc wifi connection'	15:33
aquatix	not sure what you want to know about that?	15:33
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boolean	hmm ...	15:35
boolean	thanks	15:36
* boolean is missing something ... time to rtfm		15:36
aquatix	google ad-hoc wifi ;)	15:36
boolean	heh that is what I am doing	15:38
boolean	our city offers free public wireless but in ad-hoc mode	15:38
macoute	boolean: it shouldnt matter basically	15:38
macoute	if you have an ad hoc and not an infrastrcuture one	15:38
boolean	well each time I try to connect to an ad-hoc network, there is no IP associated	15:39
macoute	have you tried setting it manually?	15:39
boolean	thus dont I have to pre-config the setup?	15:39
boolean	that is what I thought ..	15:40
macoute	though there should be an dhcpd somewhere in the network...	15:40
aquatix	boolean: you might want to check the docs of the network	15:40
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boolean	macoute: that is what I thought	15:40
boolean	checking docs now	15:41
macoute	but i very much wonder if theyd setup a free wlan-network without a dhcp-server	15:41
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aquatix	ad-hoc seems odd though	15:46
boolean	very	15:47
boolean	well I am going through their website ... the public wifi requires login	15:47
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macoute	but most of the time it works so that first you get the ip, second you login :)	15:48
macoute	its kinda hard to login without an ip address :o	15:48
aquatix	voodoo	15:48
aquatix	tcp-over-voodoo	15:48
macoute	or maybe you need to register your devices mac?	15:48
macoute	mac address	15:48
Stskeeps	anyone here who uses debian on n8x0 but can't use it full time cos of the bad wifi power?	15:48
macoute	id say everyone who has an n8x0+debian has the same problem :)	15:49
macoute	or whatever wlan-client :)	15:49
macoute	i cant even use my laptop all the time because of the bad wifi signal	15:49
lopz	Hello, you think that this GPS? https: / / buy.garmin.com / shop / shop.do? pid = 423 #, O is very expensive? What I want to use with N800, or GPS which I recommend?	15:50
Stskeeps	well i mean the fact the power saving doesn't work well :)	15:50
macoute	lopz: your url is kinda fucked up	15:50
aquatix	lopz: why the spaces? how can we copy/paste the url now :)	15:50
lopz	https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=423#	15:50
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lopz	haha ok, I sorry	15:50
aquatix	hm, i think it's rather expensive, but it looks nice	15:51
lopz	yep, ~100 USD o_O	15:51
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Gracana	And for the low price of $39.98, you can get a cable to connect it to your cigarette lighter plug.	15:53
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boolean	macoute: no mention of mac registration	15:55
lopz	Gracana, haha	15:55
lopz	what use GPS with their n8x0?	15:56
pupnik	i use it when hiking	15:59
lopz	hiking ?	16:01
pupnik	walking in the forest	16:02
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crashanddie	Jaffa, I order to you to APPEAR !	16:11
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pupnik	http://web.archive.org/web/20050105015145/http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html chulhu nigerian spam baiting - a classic	16:13
lardman	hey pupnik, where's this email about sb emu...? ;)	16:15
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* pupnik points to development box unplugged in corner of room		16:16
lardman	poor box :(	16:16
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Stupid	Hey	16:26
Stupid	I'm really new here	16:26
Stupid	But i really really need a hand	16:26
* crashanddie gives Stupid a hand		16:27
Stupid	lol	16:27
Stupid	I have a nokia n810 and I just updated it using the windows updater	16:27
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Stupid	but now i can't get a connection to my wlan	16:27
crashanddie	Stupid, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ?	16:28
melmoth	if you used the backup tool before updating , you should be able to reset your wifi settings	16:29
Stupid	I have, but still all it'll say is no connection available	16:29
Stupid	i'm on the connection now with my laptop so i know it's working	16:29
Stupid	but the tablet won't pick it up	16:30
Stupid	it picked up my naibours once...	16:30
crashanddie	Stupid, let me ask that again, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ?	16:30
Stupid	um...	16:30
Stupid	if i knew what that was I'd let you know :D	16:30
crashanddie	Stupid, I've had a few networks that didn't show up (just didn't show up)	16:31
Stupid	I'm really new to all tis	16:31
brontide	crashanddie: fyi, I've been doing wifi for years and I've never heard of it before	16:31
crashanddie	intelligent channel detection is when the router decides which channel to use (in order to get the best signal possible, without interference from other wifi networks)	16:31
brontide	crashanddie: and I use it on every wifi ap that I own	16:31
brontide	without a hitch from the nokia	16:31
Stupid	sorry but that still means very little to me...	16:32
Stupid	I'm a total novice	16:32
brontide	usually listed as automatic channel selection	16:32
Stupid	took me half an hour to get in here!	16:32
crashanddie	brontide, that's the one !	16:32
crashanddie	brontide, well, I've had 3 networks where it didn't work ;)	16:32
brontide	Stupid: Your nokia worked under chinook but won't even see the network under diablo	16:32
Stupid	i thouhght my nokia wad diablo	16:33
Stupid	how do i make it see it?	16:33
Stupid	:X	16:33
brontide	go back to chinook?	16:33
crashanddie	lol	16:33
crashanddie	like that's a solution :D	16:33
brontide	the latest firmware, while better for most, is still amazingly buggy for some	16:34
crashanddie	brontide, well, you've been doing wifi for years, I'll let you sort this one, k ?	16:34
crashanddie	I'm out	16:34
Stupid	:'(	16:34
aquatix	it may be me, but diablo feels slightly less snappy; anyone else feel the same?	16:34
brontide	Stupid: stupid question... is this a "hidden" network?	16:34
Stupid	i don't think so, no	16:35
Stupid	it's never been hidden before	16:35
aquatix	Stupid: btw, you can see the version of the OS by going to the Control panel and choose About product	16:35
brontide	I would at least try adding the network by NOT searching, but manually plugging in the network name and security code.	16:36
mgedmin	aquatix: other people have said diablo feels more snappy	16:36
crashanddie	I'll bet $50 that won't work	16:36
Stupid	done that!	16:36
mgedmin	I think it's all in the mind	16:36
brontide	capitalization counts, so be careful.	16:36
Stupid	didn't work....	16:36
Stupid	yeppy	16:36
mgedmin	except for panning in the browser, where diablo is faster	16:36
Stupid	got it in capitals	16:36
crashanddie	mgedmin, yeah, placebo I think for most	16:36
brontide	well then file a bug report at bugs.maemo.org and flash back to chinook where it worked	16:37
Stupid	4.2008.23-14 is the version i'm running	16:37
aquatix	mgedmin: hm, i thought the browser felt a bit less snappy, but maybe i'm warped and drinking too much coffee ;)	16:37
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brontide	browser start time has been cut down 30% or more	16:37
aquatix	Stupid: that's diablo	16:37
Stupid	yay! is that good??	16:37
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brontide	not for you I guess	16:37
aquatix	guess so :)	16:37
Stupid	i didn't get a choice of what to update to	16:38
Stupid	did i do it wrong?	16:38
brontide	Download chinook	16:39
brontide	and flash with that firmware	16:39
Stupid	how?	16:39
Stupid	:S	16:39
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brontide	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and pick the one before the one you have	16:40
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Stupid	why doesn't it work with diablo??	16:41
lardman	Stupid: have you rebooted?	16:41
Stupid	yes	16:41
Stupid	and i took the battery out too for good measrue :D	16:41
lardman	Stupid: what does lsmod show? Are the wifi modules inserted?	16:42
Stupid	ok you lost me...	16:42
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lardman	open the xterm	16:42
Stupid	ok	16:42
lardman	"start menu" > utilities > X Terminal	16:42
Stupid	yeppy^^ got that	16:43
lardman	hmm, does sudo gainroot work without R&D mode?	16:43
Stupid	>.<	16:43
lardman	well you can't use lsmod (list modules) as you're not root	16:43
aquatix	not?	16:44
brontide	he can't install becomeroot without network access	16:44
lardman	you could take a look at the dmesg output and see if you can spot any errors	16:44
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lardman	yeah, catch 22	16:44
Stupid	he??	16:44
aquatix	/sbin/lsmod	16:44
Stupid	.....	16:44
brontide	sorry, presumption	16:44
Stupid	i'm a female :P	16:44
lardman	type "/sbin/lsmod" in the terminal	16:45
lardman	without the quotes	16:45
Stupid	ok^^	16:45
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lardman	hmm, modules are probably compiled in anyway :)	16:45
Stupid	i have no idea what any of this means...	16:46
Stupid	want me to type it?	16:46
lardman	yeah, go for it, see if you see something called "cx3110x" come up	16:46
Stupid	yeah it has	16:46
lardman	ok, so the driver is there	16:46
Stupid	that line reads: cx3110x 56200 0 - live Oxbf041000	16:47
lardman	ok, so it rules out a driver issue	16:47
lardman	not much help for you though I'm afraid	16:47
Stupid	:(	16:48
lardman	brontide: any thoughts?	16:48
lardman	brontide: dmesg output?	16:48
brontide	flash back to a working chinook	16:48
lardman	hmm	16:48
lardman	that's just giving up though	16:48
Stupid	exactly :D	16:48
lardman	well fair enough	16:49
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aquatix	Stupid: do other networks show up? or nothing at all?	16:49
Stupid	my naibours put up once or twice	16:49
Stupid	but now it's gone again	16:49
aquatix	tried rebooting your accesspoint? ;)	16:50
Stupid	um... no...	16:50
Stupid	not sure how >.<	16:50
lardman	except that she's using it atm with her laptop	16:50
aquatix	unplug it, wait for 10 secs, plug	16:50
aquatix	erm, hm :)	16:50
aquatix	missed that part	16:50
Stupid	then i'll loose this conection	16:50
lardman	:)	16:50
aquatix	yeah	16:50
aquatix	nm then	16:51
Stupid	hehehe	16:51
lardman	if the laptop can see the connection then the N8x0 ought to be able to too	16:51
* aquatix has seen accesspoints suddenly not having their wifi up anymore		16:51
aquatix	indeed	16:51
Stupid	but it's wifiing with my laptop :S	16:52
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aquatix	oh!	16:52
aquatix	your laptop is also broadcasting the essid?	16:52
aquatix	winxp i guess?	16:52
Stupid	essid??	16:53
aquatix	name of the network	16:53
Stupid	yeah xp^^	16:53
Stupid	oh yeah^^	16:53
aquatix	hm	16:53
aquatix	that might interfere	16:53
aquatix	sec...	16:53
Stupid	it never has before	16:53
lardman	example_camera.c is ssoooooo slloooooow	16:54
aquatix	well, if i recall correctly, winxp sp3 or something rebroadcasts the name of your wifi network	16:55
aquatix	looking for a way to turn it off now	16:55
aquatix	on google as i don't have windows :)	16:55
Stupid	:S	16:55
Stupid	how come it's never been a problem before?	16:55
lardman	but if it were rebroadcast, at least something would appear in the connection dialog	16:55
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aquatix	shrug	16:55
Itlodance	:D	16:55
aquatix	erm, true	16:55
lardman	what's the command line tool to do a scan?	16:56
aquatix	meh, doing wild guesses now; but as it's setting up an ad-hoc with her laptop now...	16:56
lardman	iwscan?	16:56
aquatix	iwlist scan	16:56
lardman	ah	16:56
aquatix	need wireless-tools though	16:56
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lardman	yeah, not installed	16:56
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lardman	It would be interesting, but nigh on impossible to see the output of dmesg just after you've tried to scan for connections	16:58
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Stupid_little_ge	that's better^^	16:58
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lardman	Stupid_little_ge: do you have a memory card?	16:58
Stupid_genius	yeppy	16:58
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lardman	and a memory card reader in the laptop?	16:59
Stupid_genius	yeppy^^	16:59
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lardman	Is this an N810 or an N800?	16:59
Stupid_genius	n810	16:59
lardman	This may not help btw, if you can't be bothered then I won't be offended	17:00
lardman	So, everyone else, dmesg output of some use?	17:00
Stupid_genius	i'll do anything that won't make the problem worse :P	17:00
lardman	ah you won't break it, don't worry	17:00
Stupid_genius	that's what the guy said who told me to update it......	17:00
lardman	:))	17:00
lardman	well not any more broken then ;)	17:00
Stupid_genius	hahaha	17:01
lardman	Anyway, my suggestion is to output dmesg (which is a sort of log) to a text file on the memory card, stick that card in your laptop and paste the contents into pastebin.com	17:01
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lardman	any nays from the rest of you?	17:01
Stupid_genius	ok.... tell me how :D	17:01
lardman	in the terminal, type "mount"	17:02
lardman	actually you don;'t need to, it's an N810	17:02
lardman	type "cd /media/mmc1"	17:02
lardman	(change directory to the memory card)	17:02
Stupid_genius	not found	17:03
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lardman	hmm	17:03
lardman	is the memory card in the N810?	17:03
Stupid_genius	yeah	17:03
Stupid_genius	;)	17:03
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lardman	you didn't type the quotes did you?	17:04
Stupid_genius	no	17:04
Stupid_genius	might be new to this but not that new ;)	17:04
lardman	did it say "-sh: cd: not found"?	17:04
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Stupid_genius	no it said -sh: cd/media/mmc1: not found	17:05
summatusmentis	hmm... I'm assuming we have a borkend n810?	17:05
aquatix	Stupid_genius: mind the space	17:05
Raytray	oh space between cd /media	17:05
lardman	ah, put a space between the cd and the /	17:05
Stupid_genius	*sniff	17:05
Stupid_genius	no no space that was a typo	17:06
aquatix	ah :)	17:06
lardman	so it said "-sh: cd /media/mmc1: not found" ??	17:06
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Stupid_genius	oh wait	17:06
Stupid_genius	got it^^	17:06
Stupid_genius	stupid keyboard doubled the letters	17:07
Stupid_genius	now it says: /media/mmc1 $	17:07
lardman	cool	17:08
crashanddie	Jaffa, ? Jaffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	17:08
lardman	now try the connection dialog	17:08
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Stupid_genius	explian how	17:08
Stupid_genius	please :D	17:08
summatusmentis	lardman: connection dialog?	17:09
lardman	Stupid_genius: on the top right of the screen, there's a bar with some icons - battery, brightness, sound and a connection one	17:09
summatusmentis	oh	17:09
lardman	summatusmentis: for want of a better word	17:09
summatusmentis	right, how is that connected to dmesg though?	17:09
crashanddie	everything is connected to dmesg	17:09
lardman	summatusmentis: I'd like to see the dmesg output after it's tried to scan	17:09
summatusmentis	I see	17:09
Stupid_genius	connectivity settings??	17:09
summatusmentis	crashanddie: touche	17:09
lardman	I'm not sure if the machine has been rebooted or not	17:10
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lardman	otoh, it may not show anything	17:10
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crashanddie	Stupid_genius, still not seeing the network ?	17:10
Stupid_genius	nope	17:10
Stupid_genius	:(	17:10
crashanddie	Did you change the channel on your router ?	17:11
Stupid_genius	nope	17:11
Stupid_genius	haven't touched the rooter	17:11
* crashanddie sits back and wait until he sees "oh, I guess crashanddie was right all along then"		17:11
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lardman	Stupid_genius: on the top right, next to the battery icon, there;s one that looks like an open fan, tap on that, a drop down will appear, click "connect"	17:11
lardman	crashanddie: reflash Chinook? ;)	17:11
crashanddie	no	17:12
crashanddie	disable automatic channel selection in the router	17:12
Stupid_genius	sellect connection or connectivity settings??	17:12
crashanddie	select connection	17:12
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Stupid_genius	no connections available	17:12
Stupid_genius	:(	17:12
lardman	ok fine	17:13
lardman	now go back to the terminal	17:13
lardman	type "dmesg > dmesg.txt"	17:13
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, close the dialog by hitting cnacel	17:13
lardman	which will save the contents of the log in a file on the memory card called dmesg.txt	17:13
lardman	then close the terminal, pop the card out and stick it in your laptop	17:14
lardman	don't use notepad to open the file, choose wordpad	17:14
Stupid_genius	is that with spaces or with out?	17:14
lardman	once you've got it in front of you, let us know	17:14
lardman	exactly as typed	17:14
summatusmentis	with the spaces	17:14
crashanddie	yes	17:14
* summatusmentis shuts up		17:14
Stupid_genius	:D	17:14
lardman	dmesg space > space dmesg.txt	17:14
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crashanddie	where does Jaffa live ?	17:15
lardman	crashanddie: Cambridge way I think	17:16
crashanddie	hmm	17:16
crashanddie	so if he's not answering, it's cuz he's at work	17:16
crashanddie	fair enough	17:16
qwerty12	JaffaMacclesfield (nr. Manchester00:14	17:16
summatusmentis	that's not a valied excuse!	17:16
Stupid_genius	ok!!	17:16
Stupid_genius	i've got it infront of me^^	17:17
lardman	good good	17:17
lardman	open the following website: http://maemo.pastebin.com/	17:18
Stupid_genius	ok^^	17:18
lardman	copy and paste it all into the text box	17:18
crashanddie	Jaffa is his real name ?	17:18
lardman	select "a day" for how long to keep it for	17:18
qwerty12	Andrew Flegg	17:18
lardman	then hit send	17:18
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Stupid_genius	done	17:19
crashanddie	anyone familiar with mud-builder ?	17:19
lardman	ang give us the url	17:19
summatusmentis	I can haz link plz? kthxbai	17:19
Stupid_genius	http://maemo.pastebin.com/d59c10343	17:19
crashanddie	nothing out of the ordinary	17:20
Stupid_genius	:(	17:20
MangoFusion	mud? what mud?	17:21
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, that's not a bad thing, though	17:21
Stupid_genius	oh isn't is?	17:21
Stupid_genius	still doesn't fix the problem :(	17:22
crashanddie	lardman, mind if I kick in ?	17:22
lardman	go for it	17:22
* crashanddie rolls up sleeves		17:22
Stupid_genius	hehehe	17:22
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, ok, ready ?	17:22
Stupid_genius	ready :D	17:22
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, do you have access to your router ?	17:22
Stupid_genius	you mean the actual router?	17:23
Stupid_genius	yeah^^	17:23
crashanddie	ok, go on the interface	17:23
Stupid_genius	ok you lost me...	17:23
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, double click on your network icon in windows, bottom right	17:23
Stupid_genius	ok^^	17:24
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, go into the second tab	17:24
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, then click details	17:24
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crashanddie	Stupid_genius, there should be a line that says "gateway"	17:24
Stupid_genius	hang on i'm not responding...	17:25
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* lardman feels like that too sometimes :)		17:27
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Stupid_genius	ok hang on while i start up the other computer	17:27
lcuk_work	ping stupid_genius	17:27
Stupid_genius	ahahaha	17:27
Stupid_genius	oh no!	17:27
Stupid_genius	now the other compter won't start up!!	17:27
Stupid_genius	why do all the computers hate me :'(	17:27
lardman	I've already done my good deed for the day, I'm afraid I can't help with that one! :)	17:27
lcuk_work	have you confirmed you havent had a power cut :P	17:27
Stupid_genius	ha ha ha...	17:28
Stupid_genius	arrrh.... i really hate computers today!!	17:28
lcuk_work	lardman, did you get the airwall installed in your tyre?	17:28
crashanddie	lol...	17:28
crashanddie	I just tried something	17:28
Stupid_genius	where the hell has system32's hal.dll gone!?!	17:29
crashanddie	my bluetooth mouse works from downstairs	17:29
qwerty12	hah, reminds me of a trojan I ran at school that deletes hal :P	17:29
Stupid_genius	....	17:29
lcuk_work	crashanddie, we play wii games from the kitchen - can carry on making brews and food whilst beating the kids at golf or bowling and stuff	17:30
lardman	bsod?	17:30
Stupid_genius	love the wii^^	17:30
qwerty12	Nah, it's a black screen from ntldr (i'd guess) saying that hal.dll is gone.	17:30
crashanddie	lcuk_work, and say that bluetooth was supposed to be 3ft in the first rev	17:30
pekuja	brews eh? at home? with a game? homebrew games eh?	17:30
Stupid_genius	yes!! black screen!!	17:30
Stupid_genius	reinstall!	17:30
lardman	qwerty12: ah, early one in the process then	17:30
lcuk_work	pekuja, only YUV ones	17:30
Stupid_genius	ok i have another problem...	17:31
lcuk_work	hal is looooooooow level for windows. "I'm sorry Stupid_Genius, I'm afraid you cannot boot today"	17:31
Stupid_genius	the computer that has the router access has lost it's hal...	17:31
Stupid_genius	hahaha	17:31
Stupid_genius	wil it boot tomorrow then :P	17:32
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, there's only one computer that has router access ?	17:32
qwerty12	I think you can extract an generic apm hal.dll from the xp cd.	17:32
Stupid_genius	i don't know :'(	17:32
lcuk_work	shove a live cd in :)	17:32
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, ok, let's just go for it	17:32
Stupid_genius	the only one i was sure did :D	17:32
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, open a browser (firefox, internet explorer)	17:32
Stupid_genius	ok^^	17:32
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, and type "192.168.0.1" in the URL	17:32
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crashanddie	if that doesn't work, try "192.168.1.1"	17:32
qwerty12	And if that fails, get out the nmap :P	17:33
lcuk_work	failing that just keep incrementing numbers until you find one that works	17:33
lardman	crashanddie: open cmd.exe and type "ipconfig"	17:33
lardman	to get the correct subnet at least	17:33
Stupid_genius	ok i've got a little box for a user and password?	17:33
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, admin admin	17:33
crashanddie	or admin and empty	17:33
qwerty12	Stupid_genius, what's the model of the router?	17:33
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, if that fails, tell me the make of your router	17:34
lcuk_work	what if he is one of the 3 people in the world who have changed their default password?	17:34
crashanddie	he's not	17:34
MoRpHeUz	anybody here using sbdmock ?? =)	17:34
Stupid_genius	it's a netgear	17:34
qwerty12	oh, use admin password	17:34
qwerty12	user:admin password:password	17:34
Stupid_genius	nope	17:35
crashanddie	user:admin password:admin	17:35
crashanddie	user:admin password:1234	17:35
Stupid_genius	i didn't set up the router	17:35
qwerty12	look on the sticker at the back then	17:35
lcuk_work	1234? thats the password on my luggage	17:35
Stupid_genius	hahaha	17:35
summatusmentis	that's the password to my bank account!	17:35
crashanddie	lcuk_work, you have netgear luggage ? Awesome	17:35
summatusmentis	>_> :-P	17:35
Stupid_genius	rofl	17:36
lardman	muhahahaha, don't bring anything expensive to Berlin then!	17:36
qwerty12	that's the password to my '"stash"!	17:36
crashanddie	user:super password:5777364	17:36
summatusmentis	qwerty12: share?	17:36
crashanddie	user:superman password:21241036	17:36
qwerty12	summatusmentis, how are drug laws in your state?	17:36
lardman	crashanddie: are you just making these up now...? :)	17:36
crashanddie	lol... no	17:36
summatusmentis	the one I live in? or the one I go to school in?	17:36
lcuk_work	qwerty12, more importantly, what are the drug laws in your country	17:37
crashanddie	lardman, http://www.routerpasswords.com/index.asp	17:37
Stupid_genius	no and no	17:37
qwerty12	lcuk_work, no idea, I live in some little place called Britain, what do I know!	17:37
pupnik	Múm, Ballad OF Broken Birdie (ruxpin remix II) http://youtube.com/watch?v=b8DWzzZOlZA nice tune	17:37
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, user:admin password:(nothing, leave empty)	17:37
summatusmentis	qwerty12: everything is illegal, save for this thing called salvia, although marijuana is semi-legalized in some states	17:37
Stupid_genius	:'( no	17:37
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, well... That sucks	17:37
lcuk_work	Stupid_genius, what are you actually trying to do?	17:38
Stupid_genius	get my nokia to talk to the wlan again	17:38
crashanddie	lcuk_work, his n810 doesn't pick up his wifi network anymore, I'm pretty sure it's because his router uses automatic channel detection	17:38
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crashanddie	s/detection/selection	17:38
summatusmentis	crashanddie: why would that change though?	17:38
lcuk_work	when did it work and what did you change	17:38
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crashanddie	lcuk_work, he flashed to diablo	17:38
Stupid_genius	I'M A SHE!!!!	17:39
crashanddie	summatusmentis, the NIT doesn't play well with that feature	17:39
crashanddie	oh	17:39
qwerty12	lmao	17:39
Stupid_genius	......	17:39
lcuk_work	so why should he need to fuck with his router if it worked before and the only thing thats changed is the nit	17:39
lcuk_work	^she	17:39
summatusmentis	lies, there are no girls on the internet	17:39
qwerty12	s/he/she!	17:39
qwerty12	summatusmentis, so what are you doing here then?	17:39
Stupid_genius	ok so i'm your imaginary friend :P	17:39
crashanddie	lcuk_work, because that's what I experienced on 3 networks that had that feature activated... Deactivate the feature and I saw the network again	17:39
lardman	damn, new tyre not here until tomorrow :(	17:39
summatusmentis	qwerty12: only here because your mom is in the other room freshening up	17:39
summatusmentis	>_>	17:40
Stupid_genius	maybe i should smash the router with ahammer?	17:40
summatusmentis	Stupid_genius: then nothing will work, don't do that :)	17:40
aquatix	Stupid_genius: was about to suggest that a few minutes ago ;)	17:40
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, I'm starting to understand why it's so difficult to help you :-°	17:40
qwerty12	summatusmentis, please tell your dad not to ask for a backshot again	17:40
qwerty12	:P	17:40
summatusmentis	haha :)	17:40
lardman	qwerty12, summatusmentis: take it out to the playground!	17:40
crashanddie	summatusmentis & qwerty12: that'll be enough	17:40
qwerty12	hehe	17:40
* summatusmentis stops		17:40
summatusmentis	apologies	17:41
lcuk_work	Stupid_genius, does the 810 see the router connection in its list but cannot connect or is it just invisible	17:41
* qwerty12 was about "take it out to the playground!" but I refrain :P		17:41
crashanddie	lcuk_work, invisible	17:41
Stupid_genius	:D	17:41
lcuk_work	can you see any APs in this list	17:41
Stupid_genius	ap?	17:41
lcuk_work	access points	17:41
lcuk_work	networks to connect to	17:41
crashanddie	lcuk_work, she picked up her neighbour's	17:41
Stupid_genius	yeah^^	17:41
Stupid_genius	i did^^	17:41
crashanddie	... well... "it picked up"	17:42
lcuk_work	can you connect to it? cos if so !bonus, free internet	17:42
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crashanddie	lcuk_work, notice the past tense "picked up"	17:42
crashanddie	lcuk_work, as in "too far to be picked up all the time"	17:42
lcuk_work	it dumped you?	17:42
crashanddie	lcuk_work, we don't all live in our neighbour's cupboard	17:42
lcuk_work	hey, i moved out since that episode. the police were very understanding	17:43
crashanddie	lcuk_work, read the story about the chinese girl who lived in someone's cupboard for 6 months ,	17:43
crashanddie	?	17:43
crashanddie	japanese	17:43
crashanddie	http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSCOO06330120080530?feedTyp	17:43
crashanddie	"A Japanese man who was mystified when food kept disappearing from his kitchen, set up a hidden camera and found an unknown woman living secretly in his closet, Japanese media said Friday."	17:44
lcuk_work	i saw, i also saw the one today about a guy who moved into a shed in england	17:44
qwerty12	The 57-year-old unemployed man of Fukuoka	17:44
lcuk_work	he did gardening duties and tidied everything up	17:44
summatusmentis	how does one manage to get an 'unknown woman' in their house?	17:44
fnordianslip	try user:=admin , password=Password	17:45
crashanddie	fnordianslip, capital P being the important part ?	17:45
lcuk_work	but this is digressing, Stupid_genius go take your 8x0 outside and see if it can connect to anything or if diablo has royallyu fucked it up	17:45
fnordianslip	yep	17:45
Stupid_genius	watch your langueage :P	17:45
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, try what fnordianslip said, capital P in Password	17:45
Stupid_genius	anyways it picked up my naighours	17:46
Stupid_genius	doesn't work	17:46
crashanddie	neighbours'*	17:46
qwerty12	Run a brute forcer on it.	17:46
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crashanddie	yeah, like that's going to solve problems	17:46
Stupid_genius	i'm dyslexic... pick me up on my spelling and i won't be happy :(	17:46
crashanddie	qwerty12, that's quite the american way	17:46
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, I live in France, guilt trip won't work on me	17:47
qwerty12	That's qwerty's lazy way :p	17:47
Stupid_genius	ooo my friend is studying in france^^	17:47
crashanddie	hmm, that last sentence can be interpreted in so many ways...	17:47
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, last time someone said that, the next sentence was "maybe you know him ? His name is..."	17:48
Stupid_genius	france is a big place :P	17:48
crashanddie	65M people in a country, and the dude takes a chance in hoping maybe I know him...	17:48
Atarii	anyone got a SDK set up with the 770 kernel?	17:48
Stupid_genius	hey it's a small world outside of france :P	17:49
* qwerty12 life would be so much easier if a description of the package was included in the dsc		17:51
aquatix	qwerty12: second that	17:51
Stupid_genius	oh it's picked up nextdoors again	17:52
Stupid_genius	two it's picked up two!	17:52
Stupid_genius	but still not mine...	17:52
qwerty12	aquatix, :). I'm always opening up the control file manually to find this package is useless to me >.<	17:53
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crashanddie	chbnav101_102-lb.crescomhosting.fi	17:55
crashanddie	woops	17:55
qwerty12	hax	17:55
crashanddie	that's where the maps for wayfinder are hosted	17:56
crashanddie	Now I just need to find a way to access 'em :P	17:56
* qwerty12 knows not to mess around with phoenix now, heh, my wlan chip was stuck in some state and it wouldn't properly connect to my network. I had to downgrade to the oldest firmware for N800 and then reupdate to diablo (I knew CAL/config partition would be partly rewritten :/)		17:57
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trickie	Stupid_genius: do you have wireless-tools installed?	17:57
trickie	http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/wireless-tools/	17:57
qwerty12	crashanddie, I'll try and take a look for you, ftd provides me a quick way to use tcpdump :)	17:57
crashanddie	lcuk said: ooops ~ language - ive lost my computer could you apologise to the chan for language..	17:58
Stupid_genius	no	17:58
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crashanddie	qwerty12, I've been using tcpdump to get that IP	17:58
crashanddie	qwerty12, now I'm going to use wireshark over the wifi network to find better info :P	17:58
qwerty12	Ah, cool :P :D	17:59
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crashanddie	lcuk said: also, get stupid to try to reboot the router	17:59
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Stupid_genius	i'm looking for the plug :D	17:59
qwerty12	Hmm, the sun doesn't count as a sunday paper does it?	17:59
Stupid_genius	but if i do i'll go from here	17:59
aquatix	crashanddie: hm, like i said 2 hours ago? :)	17:59
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, you'll be back	17:59
Stupid_genius	ok i'll give it a go^^	18:00
crashanddie	aquatix, I'm just lcuk's proxy	18:00
aquatix	Stupid_genius: good luck	18:00
aquatix	crashanddie: ;)	18:00
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, I know it won't work, but give it a shot, I know it's what I'm saying from the start	18:00
crashanddie	Stupid_genius, call your hubby or whatever, and get the password to the router, and you'll be going in no time	18:00
crashanddie	qwerty12, tcpdump doesn't show the actual HTTP frames, does it ?	18:01
aquatix	she might be timing out already	18:01
* aquatix is gone for a bit; groceries		18:01
qwerty12	crashanddie, no idea, never used it before :)	18:01
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Stupid	i'm back i think^^	18:03
trickie	welcome back	18:03
Stupid	:D	18:03
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Stupid	didn't work though :(	18:03
Stupid	i think i've broken it...	18:03
Stupid	:'(	18:04
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crashanddie	be back in a bit	18:05
crashanddie	network sniffing, all that	18:05
trickie	Stupid: are you up to installing wireless-tools?	18:05
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Stupid	on the laoptop?	18:06
trickie	Stupid: if so you could do a "iwlist scan" to see more detailed info about the wifi networks available	18:06
Stupid	ok^^	18:06
trickie	i thought you were on a tablet... but i haven't been following	18:06
Stupid	it's the tablet that isn't connecting to the wlan	18:07
Stupid	so i'm useing my laptop here	18:07
Stupid	should i try a restore??	18:07
Stupid	or would that not help??	18:07
trickie	ah ok... i see	18:08
trickie	you would need to get net on your tablet to install wireless-tools on it	18:08
fnordianslip	Stupid: you said you had another computer. perhaps the web browser on that has stored the login details for the router ?	18:09
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trickie	well if you do not mind losing what is on flash on the device you could re-flash it all	18:09
Stupid	but that's the problem... i can't get the net on the tablet to work	18:09
trickie	i know :)	18:09
trickie	now	18:09
Stupid	fnordanslip thats also a problem the hal.dll is missing to it won't boot up	18:09
fnordianslip	lol.	18:10
fnordianslip	bad day then	18:10
Stupid	very!	18:10
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fnordianslip	so, we really need to get your NIT connected, so you can forget about those nasty Windows boxes	18:12
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StupidlittleGeni	NIT?	18:13
fnordianslip	Nokia Internet Tablet	18:13
StupidlittleGeni	ah	18:13
StupidlittleGeni	yeah :D	18:13
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fnordianslip	back to trickie's wireless-tools plan then	18:14
trickie	StupidlittleGeni: you could try grabbing this on your laptop, and via usbnetworking to your tablet... copy it across and install it with dpkg:	18:14
trickie	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb	18:14
StupidlittleGeni	if i knew what that was then maybe :D	18:15
trickie	thats wireless-tools	18:15
StupidlittleGeni	dpkg?	18:15
trickie	dpkg is how package management is done	18:15
trickie	dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb	18:15
trickie	that would install that package	18:16
trickie	for example	18:16
trickie	then you could use the commands outlined in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc	18:16
trickie	s/lin/link/	18:16
infobot	trickie meant: then you could use the commands outlinked in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc	18:16
boolean	question: how big is the debian install ?	18:16
StupidlittleGeni	ok i've stuck in the usb lead :D	18:18
trickie	StupidlittleGeni: ok, ill be quick as i have to go... but here is the plan:	18:19
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StupidlittleGeni	what happened?	18:20
StupidlittleGeni	:S	18:20
trickie	copy the wireless-tools .deb to the tablet, either by usbnetworking (scp etc) or just sticking it on a mmc card (probably what pops up on your pc if you just stick in the cable)	18:20
StupidlittleGeni	ok!	18:20
trickie	then on the tablet... go to the location of where you stuck it... /media/mmc1 for example	18:20
trickie	then as root (thats another story) type: "dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb"	18:21
trickie	then you can use iwlist to see what networks your wifi card really sees	18:21
trickie	i have to go, but maybe someone here can help if you get stcuk	18:21
trickie	stuck even	18:21
trickie	anyway... good luck!	18:21
trickie	ciao	18:21
StupidlittleGeni	thanks for helping!!	18:22
StupidlittleGeni	byee	18:22
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boolean	what is the diff of the wireless-tools and what comes with Diablo?	18:22
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Atarii	it has iwconfig and somoe other stuff	18:23
boolean	ahh kewl	18:23
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StupidlittleGeni	it says incompatable aplication package....	18:24
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StupidlittleGeni	:'( i give up....	18:24
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StupidlittleGeni	i'll never fix it....	18:24
fnordianslip	patience. it's worth more effort than the borked windows box ;-)	18:26
StupidlittleGeni	WAIT!!!	18:26
StupidlittleGeni	IT's found it!!!	18:26
StupidlittleGeni	I don't know how but it's found it!!!	18:26
fnordianslip	woohoo	18:26
fnordianslip	will it connect ?	18:26
StupidlittleGeni	It's conecting!!!	18:26
StupidlittleGeni	it's done it!!!!!!	18:27
fnordianslip	<holding breath>	18:27
fnordianslip	woot	18:27
StupidlittleGeni	WOOHOOOOOO!!!!	18:27
StupidlittleGeni	Thank you so muchh guys^^	18:27
fnordianslip	did you do anything, or did dpkg fix it by acident?	18:27
StupidlittleGeni	i didn't do anything!	18:28
StupidlittleGeni	it just all of a sudden showed up in the list!	18:28
fnordianslip	weird	18:28
lbt	did you turn on the router?	18:28
StupidlittleGeni	yeah but at least it's working	18:28
StupidlittleGeni	the router has to be on for me to be here ;)	18:28
lbt	that's what you think....	18:29
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fnordianslip	well observed. not so stupid.	18:29
StupidlittleGeni	;)	18:29
StupidlittleGeni	i do know a thing or two :P	18:29
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StupidlittleGeni	yay!! it's installing everything again!!	18:30
fnordianslip	my mum phoned me up and said the 5.25inch floppy she'd put in the computer had disappeared. i told her to get a screwdriver, take of the case and see if it was lying in the bootom of the box. it was.	18:31
fnordianslip	bottom, even	18:31
StupidlittleGeni	awwww	18:31
fnordianslip	she'd posted it through a gap between the disk drives	18:31
StupidlittleGeni	that's so sweet^^	18:31
StupidlittleGeni	lol	18:32
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StupidlittleGeni	I'm not that bad ;)	18:32
StupidlittleGeni	it's just when things go wrong	18:32
StupidlittleGeni	i have no idea how to fix them	18:33
StupidlittleGeni	my brother is a computer genius^^	18:33
lcuk_work	so StupidlittleGeni what did you need to do to cure your problem	18:33
StupidlittleGeni	no idea	18:33
StupidlittleGeni	it just started working again	18:34
StupidlittleGeni	something some one said must have had an effect^^	18:34
lcuk_work	did crash ask you to reboot the router	18:34
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StupidlittleGeni	i did reset it but it made no difference	18:34
* lcuk_work cant scrollback to see		18:34
lcuk_work	glad its workin for you anyway	18:35
StupidlittleGeni	me too^^	18:35
* lcuk_work has forgotten what he popped home for		18:35
StupidlittleGeni	thanks so much for helping^^	18:35
StupidlittleGeni	lol	18:35
lcuk_work	thank them lot up there ^^	18:35
Atarii	anyone got a link to the latest carmen screenshots?	18:36
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aquatix	lcuk_work: he did	18:36
aquatix	and i did 2 hours before that ;)	18:37
aquatix	StupidlittleGeni: glad it works now!	18:37
qwerty12	Atarii, How could you!?! I searched carmen on google images and my mom slapped me!	18:37
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Atarii	lol qwertz	18:37
StupidlittleGeni	me too^^	18:37
aquatix	qwerty12: what's your mom doing on your pc?	18:38
qwerty12	Atarii, Nah, anyway http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update lo;	18:38
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qwerty12	aquatix, she isn't, she's behind me watching tv though :D	18:38
aquatix	ah ;)	18:38
Atarii	ah yes thanks qwerty12 that was the link i was looking for!	18:38
* aquatix is thankful his mom doesn't live at his place		18:38
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aquatix	how does carman physically interface with your car btw?	18:39
aquatix	ah, Obd2-> bluetooth connectors for example	18:40
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qwerty12	Hmm, anyone ever tried compiling a 0xFFFF for windows using the windows port of libusb?	18:45
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StupidlittleGeni	:D	18:46
aquatix	qwerty12: whuh?	18:46
qwerty12	0xFFFF = is that free, open sourced flasher. Seeing as the windows flasher sucks, I thought it would be interesting to try out 0xFFFF in windows.	18:47
qwerty12	But I guess there is more to it then libusb.	18:47
qwerty12	than even	18:47
aquatix	ah :)	18:47
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StupidlittleGeni	Thanks so much again guys^^	18:52
StupidlittleGeni	I'm off to reinstall all my aplications!	18:52
StupidlittleGeni	byeeeee	18:52
StupidlittleGeni	xxxxxxxxxxx	18:52
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aquatix	o/	18:53
aquatix	so far for our only maemo girl	18:53
GeneralAntilles	Not true.	18:53
aquatix	ah no	18:54
aquatix	but i forgot her nick :/	18:54
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aquatix	GeneralAntilles: or are you...? ;)	18:55
GeneralAntilles	There's four or five others that I can think of off-hand.	18:55
GeneralAntilles	Not me. ;)	18:55
* aquatix apparantly doesn't follow the discussions here enough		18:55
* GeneralAntilles probably follows them too much.		18:55
aquatix	;)	18:55
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, ping/pong.	18:56
* qwerty12 is surprised to see so much N800 product codes: http://i36.tinypic.com/28rny35.jpg		18:56
aquatix	localised i'd say	18:57
aquatix	something to do with wifi frequencies too maybe?	18:57
boolean	looks like localisation	18:57
qwerty12	The FCC and the ETSI ones for sure are to do with wifi.	18:57
boolean	isnt wifi in the free 2.4 GHz range ( except frans whichuses it as military band )	18:58
* qwerty12 wonders if I would get arrested for taking an UK N800 over to the US :P		18:58
boolean	doh .. electronic frequenecy	18:58
GeneralAntilles	Hrm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3435#c1	18:59
GeneralAntilles	Any comments?	18:59
aquatix	qwerty12: i have a US n810 in the netherlands ;)	19:00
qwerty12	aquatix, doesn't matter ;). US N810's have less wifi channels.	19:00
aquatix	hm	19:00
aquatix	so that's why it was so cheap ;)	19:00
\|\|cw	wifi is 2.4 and 5Ghz depend on type, and it's power limited. over that power limit, you can get a license	19:00
Atarii	only 2 channels less amirite?	19:01
Atarii	13/14	19:01
GeneralAntilles	11	19:01
qwerty12	I'm pretty sure it's a software restriction and if cal was reversed, you could set it to etsi which would let wlancond fire up the full range of channels.	19:01
GeneralAntilles	^	19:01
aquatix	qwerty12: cal?	19:02
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qwerty12	aquatix, /dev/mtd1 :P	19:02
qwerty12	Nah, it contains the settings of the N8*0 (lock code, region etc)	19:02
aquatix	ah	19:03
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qwerty12	(A lot is actually stored in there, internal partition layout etc)	19:03
aquatix	hm, don't cat that device ;)	19:03
qwerty12	Meh, I've even catted to it ;). But I think I need mtd-tools to write my own config files to it anyway.	19:04
Atarii	man duke nukem never gets old!	19:05
lardman\|afk	How was Stupid*'s problem fixed then?	19:05
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qwerty12	Magic? (seriously, none of us including Stupid* know)	19:05
Atarii	i dont think there was a specific fix	19:05
lardman	hmm	19:06
fnordianslip	us radio hams can do more interesting things with wifi, like use a fair bit more power, but we can't run crypto to that limits the potential	19:06
aquatix	just thinkering + some voodoo == profit!	19:06
lardman	ah well, at least another happy camper hey	19:06
fnordianslip	i mean us, not US of course	19:06
aquatix	fnordianslip: ah	19:06
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lardman	fnordianslip: you talking about the fact that we have no access to the crypto engines on the omaps?	19:07
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fnordianslip	nope. radio hams can't use crypto. someones taking it out of SSH so we can just use an authenticated channel	19:07
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Capn_Fish	Does anybody know what happens internally with USB host? I hacked together a cable, which works in Maemo, but not in Debian.	19:07
qwerty12	Tried setting the mode manually?	19:08
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Capn_Fish	How? I connected the OTG pin to ground, I thought that was supposed to force host mode?	19:09
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pope523	I'm having trouble flashing my N800. I connected the USB cable to my PC (Vista), turned on the N800, the USB icon comes on the N800 screen for a moment and then disappears and it continues booting. Can someone help me figure out what's wrong?	19:09
* GeneralAntilles sighs @ more itT stupidity.		19:09
Atarii	pope523 hold down the home key	19:10
Atarii	with the power key	19:10
pope523	When I'm turning it on?	19:10
Atarii	yes	19:10
Capn_Fish	Atarii: I always just had the flasher running, and that caught it :P	19:10
qwerty12	Capn_Fish, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode	19:10
Atarii	lucky :p	19:11
pope523	Atari: Super, thanks :)	19:11
Capn_Fish	qwerty12: I'll try that now	19:11
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Capn_Fish	qwerty12: Nothing. :(	19:14
Atarii	Capn_Fish has you enabled usb-host-mode using the linux flasher?	19:14
qwerty12	:(. I'm not sure whether it's the kernel or ke-recv that provides automatic switching.	19:14
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qwerty12	Atarii, doesn't need to be done for N8*0	19:15
Capn_Fish	That's good :)	19:15
Atarii	ah my bad	19:15
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Capn_Fish	I'm not even getting stuff from dmesg	19:15
Capn_Fish	Heck, the mouse's LED isn't even coming on	19:15
Capn_Fish	So there's not even power	19:16
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jott	gna.. garage.m.o connection problems again..	19:24
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dmsuperman	I've installed the account-plugin-haze plugin and added AIM, YIM, and MSN accounts to it. However, it hasn't downloaded any of my contacts. How can I get it to download my contacts?	19:28
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crashanddie	back	19:43
crashanddie	http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/%2Bz/mapdata_France/bu.qt	19:43
crashanddie	:D	19:43
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qwerty12	muhahaha, so you came through with the stuff :)	19:44
crashanddie	http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps	19:44
* qwerty12 wonders if the S60 maps would work		19:44
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crashanddie	now, only find a way to retrieve said files and put them in the NIT	19:46
crashanddie	qwerty12, wireshark is awesome :P	19:46
qwerty12	I opened my tcpdump into wireshark too but gave up :P :)	19:46
crashanddie	qwerty12, I just launched wireshark from my computer	19:47
crashanddie	and sniffed the whole network	19:47
crashanddie	:D	19:47
qwerty12	Hah :)	19:47
qwerty12	Just out of question, isn't the built in downloader of maps working for you?	19:48
crashanddie	nope	19:48
crashanddie	fails everytime	19:48
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crashanddie	I had to try 6 different times to get the UK one	19:48
crashanddie	and now I can't get France anymore	19:48
crashanddie	tried at least 30 times	19:48
crashanddie	fails everytime	19:48
qwerty12	Ouch	19:48
crashanddie	and yeah well, I kinda need france :P	19:49
crashanddie	how ironic that may seem	19:49
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Prez00_	hello	19:50
* Prez00_ is very happt with Diablo, finally tablet is very usable..		19:50
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lcuk_work	lardman, have you seen the mail	19:58
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crashanddie	qwerty12, http://slexy.org/view/s20BpOyY6G	19:59
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crashanddie	granted, that only works for France atm	20:00
qwerty12	crashanddie, ooh, v.nice work. Maybe I'll end up getting the French maps soon :)	20:00
crashanddie	I might modify the script to support all maps	20:00
crashanddie	I'm testing if it actually works now :D	20:00
cjohnson	I've installed the account-plugin-haze package and added some YIM, AIM, and MSN accounts to the RTCOMM application. However, none of these accounts have downloaded the contacts from the server. It can allow me to chat, and when people send me messages I receive them. What must I do to get my contacts working?	20:01
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Atarii	cjohnson what device/OS are you on?	20:02
darkterror46	bye bye :-	20:03
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cjohnson	Atarii, OS2008 chinook N800	20:03
Atarii	im having the exact same problem with 2008HE	20:04
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cjohnson	what's HE	20:07
Atarii	hacker edition	20:07
Atarii	its for the 770	20:07
Atarii	i hadn't heard of anyone having this problem before, so i was just going to copy over my contacts from the computer, but maybe we are doing something wrong if it is now commonly-occuring	20:08
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, ping and usuk. :P	20:09
cjohnson	Atarii, perhaps	20:09
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cjohnson	Atarii, I was reading when the package first released that people had issues with just MSN, but that if you waited a day or so it'd show up	20:10
cjohnson	Atarii, but I've now waited 3, and it's not just MSN, so I think it's more than that	20:10
cjohnson	Atarii, Shall we submit a bug report where necessary?	20:10
Atarii	ah, well ive only tried msn, so maybe i should have waited longer	20:10
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Atarii	i didnt submit a bug previously, due to HE being non-supported, but it may be worth you submitting one	20:11
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GeneralAntilles	Not unless you're running the full rtcomm beta.	20:11
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cjohnson	How can I check that?	20:12
GeneralAntilles	You aren't.	20:12
cjohnson	Oh	20:12
cjohnson	So then there's nothing I can do to get my contacts?	20:12
GeneralAntilles	It's this: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/	20:12
GeneralAntilles	I don't know	20:12
GeneralAntilles	They loaded fine for me with the Collabora approach.	20:12
cjohnson	That's what I used	20:13
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crashanddie	qwerty12, I missed something	20:20
crashanddie	qwerty12, Map doesn't recognise what I downloaded	20:20
crashanddie	and I didn't get everything, I only have 215MB instead of 296 ...	20:21
qwerty12	Hmm, the structure of the maps folder is quite complex tbh	20:21
crashanddie	Well, there's one thing that bothers me	20:21
crashanddie	you know, this file: http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps	20:22
qwerty12	That file = map.lst	20:22
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crashanddie	the first column is the name of the map, second is an identifier of some sort, that goes in the URL to download it, then there's the size (in bytes), then some other int I haven't been able to identify, and then the map version	20:22
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crashanddie	each row is separated by a space, each column separated by a semicolon	20:23
crashanddie	but see, the link I've used to download the french map	20:23
crashanddie	http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/+z/mapdata_France/	20:24
crashanddie	if I replace the identifier, and the end of mapdata_	20:24
crashanddie	I get a 404 and get redirected	20:24
crashanddie	also, I don't know where the POI files come from	20:25
qwerty12	But you need to change the 7ba string too	20:25
qwerty12	7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80 = France	20:25
crashanddie	yeah, I changed that	20:25
qwerty12	Sorry, my bad.	20:25
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crashanddie	ok, I'm going wireshark a bit more, trying to get more info	20:26
crashanddie	I'll try a few downloads, especially the small ones :D	20:26
qwerty12	Luxembourg! :P	20:26
crashanddie	and see if I can get more information out of it	20:26
crashanddie	nha, that's part of Benelux	20:26
crashanddie	so it's belgium+luxemburg+netherlands	20:26
qwerty12	Ah :)	20:27
crashanddie	singapore :D 1MB	20:27
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crashanddie	bbl	20:27
khertan	Hi !	20:27
khertan	Hum i ve found something interesting ...	20:27
khertan	http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb	20:27
Veggen	Hmm. Anyone tried Maemo mappe with OSM lately?	20:27
Veggen	My OSM maps are suddenly off by a magnitude of several 100 m.	20:28
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etrunko	anyone knows the guys responsible for mogg ??	20:29
etrunko	do they use IRC?	20:29
jott	i think kulve works on it but not sure	20:30
etrunko	jott: kulve is the ogg-support guy	20:30
jott	yeah that's what i had in mind ;)	20:31
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etrunko	kulve: any chance of uploading your packages to maemo extras?	20:31
etrunko	:)	20:31
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X-Fade	Go etrunko, go etrunko!	20:32
etrunko	or even working together with the mogg guys to provide the same base libraries, such as vorbisidec, theora and so	20:32
etrunko	X-Fade: are you ignoring us in #canola?	20:32
etrunko	:S	20:32
X-Fade	etrunko: Sorry, had some disconnects on my IRC box.	20:32
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade!	20:33
jott	hah now all your spare time is gone X-Fade :)	20:33
etrunko	X-Fade: don't worry... MoRpHeUz is having bad dreams with sbdmock and scratchbox together	20:33
etrunko	kind of a unstable mixture	20:33
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Did you see the wiki skin? ;)	20:33
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, looks hot.	20:33
X-Fade	etrunko: Heh, well we are having some unexplained problems in sbdmock every now and again. Ed is working with the sbdmock author to work things out.	20:34
GeneralAntilles	Think it would be worthwhile to switch mediawiki's page/discussion/edit/history bar to the style of the subbar on the maemo.org front page?	20:34
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I hesitated a bit when doing that.	20:35
etrunko	X-Fade: i see... and as Ed is on holidays atm, things may be stalled	20:35
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, there's something to keeping the mediawiki style for that. . . .	20:35
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: As it then will take in a bit more space.	20:35
X-Fade	etrunko: Yep, but he deserved a break ;)	20:36
etrunko	indeed	20:36
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etrunko	he helped on the first maemo-efl scripts a lot	20:36
X-Fade	etrunko: He did all that work in his spare time.	20:36
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X-Fade	And while doing that also ported a big number of packages!	20:37
etrunko	test cases	20:37
etrunko	:)	20:37
etrunko	ok... so lightmediascanner won't suppor ogg for diablo at this momment	20:37
etrunko	sad..	20:37
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X-Fade	etrunko: There is now an incoming-nonfree queue for diablo only. So you can upload your closed packages there.	20:38
etrunko	X-Fade: great, any special configuration?	20:39
X-Fade	etrunko: Just take your extras chinook config and replace chinook -> diablo and change incoming -> incoming-nonfree	20:40
Stskeeps	neat, bme-dbus-proxy transfers 1:1 to debian	20:40
etrunko	thnks	20:40
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X-Fade	etrunko: And ping me when the files are there, because I need to run the queuemanager manually the first time ;)	20:40
X-Fade	I have to make sure I didn't corrupt the repository afterwards..	20:41
etrunko	X-Fade: you bet i will	20:41
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Do you think that adding nofollow to our links on the wiki will help lowering the spam?	20:45
lcuk	it will help to disuade future spammers	20:45
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sjgadsby	Huh. Midgard is demanding net.nemein.registrations:manage privilege for the Maemo Summit registration form now.	20:45
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X-Fade	sjgadsby: For a new registration?	20:46
lcuk	whether or not the current ones who have written a program and have uson their list will stop is another question	20:46
sjgadsby	X-Fade to see the form at all.	20:46
crashanddie_	qwerty is gone ?	20:46
lcuk	X-Fade, it would be even better to get the ips	20:46
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, probably a bit.	20:46
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crashanddie_	lcuk, mind doing something for me ?	20:47
sjgadsby	X-Fade: "Free registration" link on http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/	20:47
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crashanddie_	lcuk, try to access: http://update.wayfinder.com/components/a4b90cf5b70a2d4c09b76f5b80a2c421/2.3.1.122/%2Bz/mapdata_Hawaii/lu.qt	20:47
lcuk	i can try	20:47
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, you see the preview I have up?	20:47
GeneralAntilles	Happen to have a logo for me yet? :P	20:47
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lcuk	crashanddie_, yes it downloaded. GeneralAntilles no i havent seen yet	20:48
crashanddie_	lcuk, you got the file ?	20:48
lcuk	do i need to do a svn download thing or is it up somewhere	20:48
crashanddie_	O_O	20:48
lcuk	yes 11.7 KB (12,071 bytes)	20:48
X-Fade	sjgadsby: Hmm let me see if i have an unprived account.	20:48
X-Fade	sjgadsby: Hmm it works for my test user, I'll check if something is wrong with your account.	20:50
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sjgadsby	X-Fade: Ah, could it be because I've already submitted a registration? I wanted to revisit the form to see if I missed anything.	20:51
X-Fade	sjgadsby: That is probably it. You aren't allowed to edit.	20:51
sjgadsby	X-Fade: Ah, I understand. I apologize for crying wolf.	20:52
X-Fade	Heh, I'm amazed by some people asking sponsorship and filling in no other fields at all ;)	20:52
Jaffa	re	20:52
Jaffa	crashanddie_: pong	20:53
Jaffa	crashanddie_: used to live in Macclesfield. Now in Rugby	20:53
X-Fade	sjgadsby: It seems you need to travel quite some distance to get there btw :)	20:53
crashanddie_	Jaffa, oh, hi :)	20:54
sjgadsby	X-Fade: Yes. I'm not sure what I have to offer either, but Quim asked me to apply...	20:54
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GeneralAntilles	BoF on bugzilla statistics!	20:56
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Did you see Misha's hint about a bugzilla plugin for the wiki :D	20:57
GeneralAntilles	No, where?	20:57
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Tsk tsk, not tracking recentchanges enough ;)	20:57
crashanddie_	Jaffa, got my PM ?	20:57
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days/Sprint3&curid=654&diff=4336&oldid=3719&rcid=4341	20:58
GeneralAntilles	Ooh	20:59
GeneralAntilles	sjgadsby, you'll like this. ^	20:59
sjgadsby	I'm looking at it now.	20:59
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Jaffa	Not that I can see. But I /was/ at work. Well, company meeting: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-11.log.html#t2008-07-11T13:03:24	20:59
GeneralAntilles	Might be a potential response to this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 :\	21:00
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports	21:00
sjgadsby	Ha! I don't know what Mutiny32's looking for.	21:01
GeneralAntilles	Another wonder itT rant.	21:01
GeneralAntilles	I'd take GNOME's overview stuff, though.	21:01
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sjgadsby	How can 2,937 clickable keywords be better than a keyword search?	21:01
GeneralAntilles	I don't know	21:01
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sure how he figures Launchpad is better than Bugzilla, either.	21:02
GeneralAntilles	:shudder:	21:02
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, this is fantastic.	21:02
sjgadsby	This Bugzilla Reports MediaWiki things looks niiiice, though.	21:02
crashanddie_	Jaffa, hang on	21:02
GeneralAntilles	Think you could get ferenc to install that yesterday? :D	21:02
crashanddie_	Jaffa, mind if I PM you ?	21:03
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Nope, no way.	21:03
Jaffa	crashanddie_: feel free, just about to eat tho' so I might be absent for an hour or so	21:03
crashanddie_	Jaffa, same here	21:03
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: But I can send him a mail to ask ;)	21:03
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: WTF? That rant starts on about bug trackers, then password protected repos, then the A-GPS app, then broken packages.	21:04
GeneralAntilles	Pretty nutty, right?	21:04
crashanddie_	which rant ?	21:05
* Jaffa resists responding to "I chose to be clear and concise" with "Well, you missed that by a mile, huh?" since he's had a few drinks already.		21:05
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794	21:05
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crashanddie_	Erhm	21:07
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crashanddie_	That guy is an idiot, right ?	21:07
Jaffa	yup	21:07
GeneralAntilles	Haha	21:08
crashanddie_	"why doesn't the package manager manage dependencies ?" It does... It just doesn't tell you it does	21:08
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GeneralAntilles	It does, it just doesn't manage idiots.	21:08
lbt	so I've just spent an hour debugging about 200 lines of C++ - widgets responded to events the first time, not the second.... look at line 14 : http://pastebin.com/d4ae0db8d	21:09
lbt	grrr	21:09
GeneralAntilles	Ha	21:09
lbt	and, of course, no syntax error because the class I'm in has an add() member....	21:09
lbt	I now deserve alcohol and food	21:10
Jaffa	lbt: ouch	21:10
lbt	l8r	21:10
lbt	Jaffa: yup	21:10
lbt	nice to spot it though....	21:11
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I have asked Ferenc to install it.	21:12
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, sometimes I ask myself how you do it to keep your cool towards such trolls	21:15
crashanddie_	anyway, food time, cheers	21:15
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, when I don't keep my cool it ends badly. ;)	21:15
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GeneralAntilles	You should see some of the epic threads technut and I had.	21:15
sjgadsby	Heh. Even when you do keep cool, GeneralAntilles, they all too often take offense.	21:16
GeneralAntilles	There's no winning either way. ;)	21:16
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zap	Anybody knows why Nokia's volume statusbar applet does not allow to set the volume to max?	21:17
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zap	With aumix-gtk you can set about 7% louder volume	21:18
lcuk	zap - mine works well. it goes all the way to 11	21:18
zap	yours == ?	21:18
glass	12	21:18
zap	12 levels?	21:18
glass	spinal tap reference	21:18
boolean	heh	21:18
GeneralAntilles	Ah, CSS rendering bugs.	21:18
lcuk	zap, read up about spinal tap and amplifiers	21:18
GeneralAntilles	Will they ever get it right? <_<	21:18
lcuk	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaD9v460yI	21:19
zap	lcuk: I don't get it	21:19
lcuk	watch that then	21:19
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summatusmentis	Does anyone have any experience with the gps actually working? even with agps is seems like it takes forever to lock	21:19
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summatusmentis	is there a way to use a cell phone for agps location finding?	21:20
lcuk	summatusmentis, where abouts are you in the world	21:20
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summatusmentis	lcuk: currently? or in general?	21:20
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lcuk	and what sort of city do you live in and how long does it take to lock	21:20
summatusmentis	I'm in the US, roughly the midwest right now	21:20
lcuk	in general	21:20
zap	watched the joke, and still I don't get why Nokia's volume control goes up to 10, while aumix gives you the whole 12 :)	21:21
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Did you install agps-ui?	21:21
summatusmentis	when I tried it in Maine(where I'm at in the summer), I'm in a rural area, and it took 10+ minutes	21:21
summatusmentis	X-Fade: yes	21:21
zap	I have high-impendance headsets, thats why I need more	21:21
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Then how could you miss the cellphone option ;)	21:21
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summatusmentis	X-Fade: seriously? Where?	21:22
zap	in agps settings	21:22
lcuk	zap, not sure - different software stacks originally. is aumix a standard 8x0 component?	21:23
X-Fade	summatusmentis: settings-> 'Allow packet data' and set your connection to your phone.	21:23
zap	of course not, it's an ALSA mixer	21:23
lcuk	then thats why one has 12 and the other 10	21:23
zap	it just shows you what's exposed through ALSA interface	21:23
lcuk	as for high impedence, you might need a line amp or something	21:23
summatusmentis	X-Fade: I assume my phone would need to be connected via bt or some such thing for the connection to be showing up?	21:23
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Sure, how else ;)	21:24
zap	lcuk: well they don't have THAT much impendance :)	21:24
zap	but I'd prefer them a little louder, esp. in metro	21:24
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lcuk	but if the maximum available volume is not enough for you and you have everything at maximum then i dont see what else you can do other than try alternative headphones	21:24
summatusmentis	X-Fade: I'm not getting my phone to show up	21:25
zap	lcuk: with aumix I get enough volume	21:25
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X-Fade	summatusmentis: Can you connect to the internet via your phone?	21:25
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summatusmentis	X-Fade: yes	21:25
X-Fade	summatusmentis: What do you see in settings inside a-gps beta?	21:26
summatusmentis	A-GPS support: [box] \n Allow Packetdata: [box] \n Preferred connection: [drop menu]	21:27
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X-Fade	summatusmentis: Well, select your connection for your phone and done ;)	21:27
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X-Fade	summatusmentis: Oh, don't tell me. You are using a phone that uses PAN.	21:28
summatusmentis	X-Fade: the connection box is small, and doesn't actually drop down to anything?	21:28
summatusmentis	no, DUN	21:28
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Is your phone connection available in the global connectivity settings?	21:29
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X-Fade	summatusmentis: And does it have this phone icon with the 3 arcs abljt	21:29
summatusmentis	yes	21:29
X-Fade	*above it..	21:29
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lcuk	back later - GeneralAntilles thanks ill speak later	21:31
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X-Fade	summatusmentis: I see my 3 connections for my 3 simcards in agps-ui without problems.	21:32
summatusmentis	X-Fade: is it possble my CDMA phone is the issue?	21:32
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Did you create the phone connections with the wizard? Or manually?	21:32
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, think I fixed it	21:32
GeneralAntilles	See yah.	21:32
summatusmentis	X-Fade: w/ the wizard	21:33
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Same here ;)	21:33
X-Fade	summatusmentis: Well, then I'm out of options..	21:33
X-Fade	summatusmentis: You did reboot at least once after install, right?	21:34
summatusmentis	of a-gps-ui? I'm sure I have	21:34
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X-Fade	yep	21:34
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, for the change log character limit, how does 1200 sound?	21:35
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Insane?	21:35
GeneralAntilles	Really?	21:35
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: What about: <Insert link to complete changelog here> :)	21:36
GeneralAntilles	I'm thinking 400 sounds insane. :P	21:36
GeneralAntilles	OK, 800?	21:36
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I want to prevent somebody adding 20 lines or more?	21:36
GeneralAntilles	OK, well, this is right on the edge of 400: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/	21:37
GeneralAntilles	Twice that wont hurt anybody	21:37
X-Fade	I'm not sure if it will clutter it more..	21:37
GeneralAntilles	Could you bounce the "Links" section over to the side, maybe?	21:37
GeneralAntilles	There's a lot of whitespace available on the right.	21:38
X-Fade	Yeah, true. That list isn't that long ;)	21:38
* GeneralAntilles should probably change the screenshot ordering.		21:38
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Good luck ;)	21:39
GeneralAntilles	When are the server upgrades coming again? <_< :P	21:39
* X-Fade pokes GeneralAntilles with a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sharp stick ;)		21:40
GeneralAntilles	Stupid Finnish holidays.	21:40
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: 800 it is now.	21:41
GeneralAntilles	Thanks	21:41
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Try that ;)	21:41
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: We can always increase the number when we see problems.	21:41
GeneralAntilles	~lart Midgard's stupid floating toolbar.	21:43
* infobot smacks Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. up side the head with a clue-by-4		21:43
lardman	lcuk: mail?	21:44
X-Fade	Ok, I'm out of here.. Have a good weekend ;)	21:45
GeneralAntilles	Bye, X-Fade.	21:45
zap	Ah, advanced backlight changes volume as well	21:46
zap	must try it, maybe it also allows volume up to eleven	21:46
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jott	zap: if not, it should be possible to implement this.	21:50
jott	maybe tell us what you did to maximize it in particular	21:51
khertan	python2.5 buildpackage --source-only	21:52
khertan	oups ww	21:52
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zap	jott: what audio interface are you using to set the volume?	21:54
zap	gstreamer or alsa or oss?	21:54
jott	zap: currently gconf	21:56
zap	aha	21:56
zap	perhaps this is a limitation of whatever daemon reads the setting then	21:56
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jott	i guess so	21:56
zap	or perhaps you can set it more than 12 in gconf, and it'll work, this has to be tried	21:57
jott	but we could still work around this ;)	21:57
khertan	python2.5 --auto-upload-source	21:57
khertan	arg ...	21:57
khertan	sorry	21:57
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zap	yes, max in advanced backlight control is still 93 in aumix	21:57
jott	zap: yeah you can just set it /apps/osso/sound/master_volume	21:58
* zap installs gconf		21:58
jott	maybe try to set it via gconftool-2 and tell us if it works	21:58
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zap	oops, no gconf-editor for diablo	21:58
jott	sure	21:59
jott	gconftool-2 :)	21:59
jott	tui not gui ;)	21:59
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zap	cli not tui :)	22:00
jott	yeah	22:01
jott	you are right ;)	22:01
jott	well spartanic tui :P	22:01
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zap	alas, 100 is still 93	22:01
GeneralAntilles	Just pull the one from Chinook. . . .	22:01
jott	set it to 120% ?	22:01
zap	and 110 is still 93	22:01
jott	mh	22:01
zap	and 200 is 93 as well :)	22:01
jott	ok	22:01
jott	hehe	22:01
zap	what daemon is reading it?	22:01
jott	good question	22:02
zap	it's either intentional, or a bug	22:02
jott	would be nice if you could find out what polls the gconf value :)	22:03
zap	hehe :) I'll try	22:03
zap	btw, screen rotation has no penalty?	22:03
zap	it's multimediad	22:04
jott	not really, no. some dialogs are broken when rotated	22:04
jott	but other than that there are no known side-effects afaik..	22:04
GeneralAntilles	Skype is, awesomely, hardcoded for 800x480	22:04
zap	ah, so it's software rotation?	22:04
jott	no it's hardware rotation	22:05
* zap wonders how one could hardcode resolution with gtk		22:05
GeneralAntilles	zap, dunno, talk to the Skype guys. :D	22:05
zap	:))	22:05
jott	but some apps/dialogs are just... well broken ;)	22:05
GeneralAntilles	The Application menu is broken.	22:05
zap	too large?	22:05
GeneralAntilles	Width is frequently more than 480px	22:05
zap	I see	22:06
jott	just give it a try.. it has some nice use cases ;)	22:06
GeneralAntilles	So the right side of the dialog/menu/whatever is off the screen.	22:06
zap	what about SDL apps?	22:06
jott	sdl apps will think it's a 480x800 display	22:07
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zap	cool	22:07
* jott starts fighting gtk theme drawing internals again...		22:08
qos	jott, hey wanna take a look on the new theme for the advanced applet?	22:09
jott	sure	22:10
zap	Unfortunately, no source for multimediad	22:10
zap	and it's not even in maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries-4.1	22:11
qos	jott, screenshot or the theme itself?	22:11
jott	qos: both is fine i guess	22:11
qos	jott, this will take a moment	22:11
jott	zap: !#*$%	22:11
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qos	jott, whats your email?	22:11
jott	pm	22:12
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zap	multimediad sets volume through /dev/dsptask/audiopp	22:17
jott	ah interesting	22:17
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khertan	Hi !	22:19
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khertan	How time does it take after an upload to the extra builder after an upload extras-assistant to see a result in the mailing list extras-cauldron-builds ?	22:23
GeneralAntilles	30-minutes-ish, maybe?	22:23
Jaffa	khertan: usually a few minutes if everything's working well. There'll be a folder created in the output dir as soon as it starts being processed	22:24
* Jaffa has never had it take 30 mins unless something was broken.		22:24
khertan	ok thx	22:24
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khertan	W: homeip: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/lib/hildon-desktop/homeip.py	22:32
khertan	W: homeip: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate	22:32
khertan	W: homeip: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly	22:32
khertan	E: homeip: extended-description-is-empty	22:32
khertan	W: homeip: new-package-should-close-itp-bug	22:32
khertan	oups wrong windows	22:32
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RST38h	http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11campaign.html?hp	22:36
RST38h	Hehe	22:36
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khertan	https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001088.html	22:44
khertan	First step out !	22:44
khertan	:)	22:44
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Makegho	hmmh, something wrong with this skype. My friend can hear me but I can't hear him, when he's calling. When I'm calling, he answers the call but for me it's still just displaying "calling.. ring ring" or so :)	22:46
zap	khertan: cool, will the new version have a transparent option? :-))	22:46
khertan	transparent option	22:47
khertan	hey it s HomeIP ...	22:47
khertan	not IPHome :)	22:47
zap	ah :)	22:47
khertan	HomeIP have still the start transparency :)	22:47
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khertan	hum update of maemo-wordpy and it s delete again config file... arg	22:49
khertan	arfg	22:49
yerga	hey khertan, sorry for it :)	22:50
yerga	it's the last time	22:50
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yigal	what repository should I use to install canola2 using diablo?	22:53
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GeneralAntilles	Chinook Extras	22:54
GeneralAntilles	Though it'll probably be in real Extras in a week or so.	22:54
GeneralAntilles	s/realy/Diablo/	22:54
yigal	GeneralAntilles: there is a problem with the package I installed, in that it didn't have text,icons menus etc. totally broken is this to be expected in one of the repos.?	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Uh, I think it's from pulling something out of a development repo	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Probably from Extra-devel.	22:55
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GeneralAntilles	You could probably do a Canola-clean, disable Extras-devel, reinstall from Chinook Extras and reenable Extras-devel.	22:56
yigal	Ok, will look at what repos. I'm actually using and go with your advice, this is good to hear and I'll try this	22:56
khertan	yerga: hum you are the dev ?	22:56
khertan	do u use a sqllite db ?	22:56
khertan	to store prefs ?	22:57
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: blimey - ITT has an RDF like Steve Jobs: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201353#post201353	22:57
khertan	garage.maemo.org is down ? or does there is a limit to use extra-assistant ( :) ) ?	22:57
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GeneralAntilles	Jaffa, sarcasm alert. :P	22:58
yerga	khertan, yes I am, it uses the configparser module not sqlite	22:58
khertan	ah ok ... never use it ;)	22:58
yerga	but next version it will use gconf	22:59
Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: fair enuf, I am knackered :-)	22:59
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	22:59
GeneralAntilles	Don't code drunk.	22:59
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khertan	never use it too :)	23:00
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khertan	i store prefs in sqlite db when i use one :)	23:00
khertan	or worse a serialized python object ;à	23:00
khertan	;)	23:00
khertan	gconf remember me windows registry ....	23:01
khertan	this horrible registry	23:01
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khertan	bye	23:09
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* Jaffa TVs		23:13
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JamieBennett	maemo.org seems to be dieing. Very slow connection and timeouts for me	23:35
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GeneralAntilles	JamieBennett, maemo.org has been slow for the last year. :P	23:35
JamieBennett	GeneralAntilles: only the last year ;)	23:36
GeneralAntilles	Server upgrades are imminent. . . .	23:37
GeneralAntilles	Be sure to bug X-Fade about them. :D	23:37
JamieBennett	lets hope so	23:37
GeneralAntilles	No, really.	23:37
GeneralAntilles	Next month or so	23:37
GeneralAntilles	Whenever the Finns get back from vacation.	23:37
JamieBennett	ah good, maemo.org is a pig to navigate at times	23:38
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GNUton	Hi there	23:38
GNUton	hi jott!	23:38
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jott	hello GNUton	23:53
GNUton	hey jott:)	23:54
GNUton	jott: how are you?	23:54
jott	just made some food.. and still playing around with QGtkStyle ;)	23:54
GNUton	:) great I´m in my bad.. I´m very tired.. but I read your mail...	23:55
jott	yeah just read your reply	23:55
jott	any comments on this: http://code.google.com/p/qgtkstyle/issues/detail?id=40	23:55
jott	regarding MAEMO_CHANGES ?	23:55
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Makegho	does anyone else think that the chess game is a bit too hard in easy mode? ;)	23:56
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GNUton	no I´m thinking how can be resolved the problem of the light..	23:56
Makegho	is there a super easy mode somehow, for those who have played only some years?	23:57
jott	GNUton: one way would introduce MAEMO_CHANGES in QGtkStyle ;)	23:57
jott	not sure what jens thinks about this..	23:58
jott	i'm from berlin/germany btw ;)	23:58
jott	GNUton: will you be at the summit?	23:59
jott	would be a nice place/time to show the state of qt4 on maemo..	23:59
GNUton	I don´t know yet, probably..	23:59
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