IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-07-11

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jottGNUton: dpkg seems to build now..00:03
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crashanddiedoes anyone know where to get dh_make on the tablet ?00:04
crashanddiepackage dh-make doesn't exist, and I'm not sure it's in debhelper (confer
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JaffaOn the tablet?00:05
JaffaInstall the SDK repo00:05
crashanddiejott, is that a gentle way of telling me "compile it yourself" ?00:06
GNUtonWhat did you do?00:06
GNUtonjott: ?00:06
jottGNUton: removed the maemo patch and added -hildon to the rules00:07
jottif everything builds fine i can commit it..00:07
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GNUtonthere are some errors appling the debian patch to this code...00:09
GNUtonjott: ..00:09
jottGNUton: compile errors?00:09
jottatleast all other patches applied00:09
GNUtonmmm are ou sure?00:10
jottit currently builds at least ;)00:10
GNUtonI know that it built... :P :)00:10
jottwell with dpkg-buildpackage...00:10
jotti'll see if it breaks it should be easy to spot the problematic patches in the series00:11
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jottGNUton: if it builds fine, it's ok to commit the changes, right?00:13
* jott is afk..00:13
GNUtonjott: ok, but it´s better if all patches are appied fine...00:16
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khertancrashanddie: are you trying to build package on device ?00:16
khertanHi !00:16
crashanddiekhertan, I'm helping out lcuk00:17
GNUtonHo khertan00:17
zapWhat's the process of submitting packages to Extras for gregale?00:17
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khertanbut if u found how to build package from device i'm interested :)00:17
lcukkhertan, :) hi, i used your packager last night but got completely lost in it all but somehow i have a .deb there00:18
lcukbut crashanddie and i are attempting to do this natively (i think)00:18
khertanlcuk: yes but can't be used to upload to diablo extra00:19
lcukwhy not?00:19
crashanddiekhertan, basically, you need dpkg-dev and dh-make00:19
khertanas now package should be build by autobuilder00:19
crashanddielcuk, oh yeah, did I forget to say that ?00:19
khertanand pypackager don't make package with debian rules00:19
lcuknot a problem, whats the biggy with autobuilder? does it need ./configure or other things00:19
khertanit s too complex ... and many tools haven't been port due to busybox00:20
khertanit need a debian rules file00:20
crashanddielcuk, and I just provided that for ya :D00:20
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lcuk:D then00:20
khertanthis is why none of my application are available for diablo00:20
khertanand won't be available once i found a solution00:21
crashanddiekhertan, get the dh-make package on your device00:21
khertanand i ven't the time to found one now00:21
khertani'm sorry for user00:21
crashanddiekhertan, dh-make will create the debian structure, and all the files it need00:21
lcuki know that feeling khertan.  lots to do not enough time00:21
lcukkhertan, are you coming to the maemo summit?00:21
khertanlcuk: now ... i can't00:22
crashanddietalking 'bout the Summit, I have to register... again00:22
lcukaww shame, you provide inspiration :)00:22
RST38hkhertan: ask xfade to allow binary packages in extras/nonfree00:22
khertanRST38h: this is not a real solution00:22
lcukbinary packages can go in already, you just setup a makefile to extract the blob00:22
JaffaHasn't that already been done?00:22
lcukwasnt that the "workaround"00:23
lcukcos canola cant go through the process as it stands can it00:23
JaffaAlhough crashanddie's right, using dh_make isn't too hard. Hell, even mud could help00:23
RST38hkhertan: it is. binary package means you take responsibility for maintaining it when os upgrades00:23
Jaffalcuk: indeed, some of the INdT guys have been testing it, IIRC00:24
RST38hJaffa: i cant check - away from home right now & until 28th00:24
lbtdoes gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() work on Labels (which don't, I think, have gdk windows)00:25
Jaffakhertan: why is it not a real solution? Because it's free s/w in a "non-free" section?00:25
khertanJaffa: remember that is for making package onboard00:25
zapGeneralAntilles: Application Catalog will stay as it is, or will be changed too?00:25
crashanddiekhertan, dh_make really gives you a basic structure to work with, editing the correct files isn't much of a hassle after that. And the makefile only needs to use $DESTDIR00:25
khertanJaffa: because source aren't in the repository :)00:26
crashanddiekhertan, can't ask for much more than that, can you ?00:26
etrunkoJaffa: X-Fade set up the non-free queue yesterday, but I have not tested it yet00:26
etrunkodon't know the configuration either00:26
Jaffaetrunko: ah, right. thanks00:26
lcukguys, im goin offline.  not sure if ill b back tonight.  crashanddie thanks for help.  others cya later00:26
RST38hkhertan: yes but it is not reasonable to ask people autobuild it on a tablet...00:27
crashanddielcuk, oh, ok, take care00:27
khertani ll test to port dh_make and make a new package onboard application, but at this time i ven't the time to dev00:27
lbtnight lcuk00:27
Jaffakhertan: if the source is in the repo, it's not unreasonable to ask that it can be used to build the package!00:27
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khertanRST38h: it is00:27
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RST38hkhertan: not really00:27
khertanJaffa: source is in the repo ... but there is no rules file.00:27
Jaffakhertan: just use dh_make once to understand the structure then put a template in PyPackager00:28
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khertanJaffa: the problem is on 'just' :)00:28
Jaffakhertan: yes, that's my point - ppl can't build the deb00:28
crashanddieJaffa, question, autobuilder, does that mean we just send a tar with the sources and makefiles, and autobuilder takes care of building it ?00:28
Jaffacrashanddie: yes, that's exactly it00:28
khertanJaffa: i think i ll do that ... but need to found time to do it ;)00:29
crashanddieJaffa, doesn't that mean that the server needs to have a shitload of packages installed ?00:29
GeneralAntillesIt starts from a clean slate and pulls the build depends from Extras.00:29
khertandependancy are specified.00:29
jottGNUton: the patches are applied fine. the only patch failed was 99_maemo_maxpath.diff and that is already applied in the svn.00:29
GeneralAntillesSo you have to have all of your dependencies in Extras.00:29
RST38hga: which part there is relevant?00:29
Jaffacrashanddie: your package lists other packages it needs to build and they're sourced from SDK, Extras and Extras-deevel00:29
jottGNUton: still building fine :)00:29
GeneralAntillesRST38h, the most recent from Niels.00:30
khertanhum ... i ll go to sleep00:30
crashanddiethough, isn't this very CPU intensive ?00:30
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lardman|afkyou need the debian directory then00:30
khertansee u later00:30
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, it's not our cycles, so who cares? :D00:30
crashanddiein a ironic way that is already on its kneeds 24/7, adding compilation times surely doesn't do it any good ?00:30
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GeneralAntillesThe autobuilder machine is unrelated to the web hosting, I believe.00:31
GeneralAntillesWe're getting a big server upgrade in a month or so, though.00:31
crashanddieso, I can just start and push a shitload of stuff ?00:31
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crashanddiehohoho :P00:32
crashanddieI'm going to write a little script :P00:32
Jaffa netcat, libgee and vala at it already (oh, and cal) - all fine. (All with help from mud, too - but that's enough plugging)00:32
crashanddieI'll tell that script which package I want00:32
crashanddieand it'll just recursively start getting the sources from packages.debian.org00:33
GNUtonjott: probably build fine, but are you sure that all the patches has been applied fine?00:33
crashanddieand push them all to autobuilder :D00:33
Jaffacal, netcat and libgee all came directly frrom Debian and vim and vala from upstream tarballs00:33
RST38hpersonal launcher. YEAH!00:33
Jaffacrashanddie: err, that already exists; http://mud-builder.garage.maem.org00:33
crashanddieyeah, but that's not me who wrote it00:34
crashanddieis it ?00:34
JaffaNo. I did.00:34
Jaffapatches welcome ;)00:34
MakeghoAnyone know a good password manager? gpasman requires me to chmod 600 the file manually every now and then00:34
* lardman thinks one with iris recognition would be cool00:35
GeneralAntillesHrm, should dropdowns with numbers be right-aligned?00:35
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GeneralAntillesSomething's making me think they should be00:35
GeneralAntillesbut I can't find an example to remind myself.00:35
lardmanGeneralAntilles: decimal aligned00:35
jottGNUton: fine in the sense that they all applied - i do not know yet if they a) build fine  b) interfere semantically with your work.00:35
lardmanGeneralAntilles: so right aligned for integers00:35
crashanddieerr Jaffa00:35
crashanddieJaffa, isn't that for personal use ?00:35
GeneralAntillesThanks, lardman.00:36
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crashanddieJaffa, I'm actually about pushing the stuff to extra's autobuilder00:36
lardmanGeneralAntilles: or did you want the official maemo spec position, in which case I've no idea :)00:36
jottGNUton: where the first would imply the latter ;)00:37
GNUtonjott: ok, good test! :) It´s very late, I´ll go to sleep...00:37
Jaffacrashanddie: yes, I know. The web page is slightly outdated with the auobuilder coming along. The code itself doesn't care tho. See also
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Jaffacrashanddie: current version spits out binary debs for testing and source packages for upload to autobuilder.00:38
GNUtonjott: have a good night!00:38
GNUtonnight all guys!00:38
jottGNUton: yeah good night we'll keep in touch. i probably can tell you if the build works tomorrow :)00:38
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GNUtonjott: :) ok you can use the forum or you can send me a mail, as you wish (gnuton AT
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GNUtonjott: :) thank you and good night!00:40
lardmanDoing some 1D array work in C, is it bad form to store the array length in the 1st element of the array?00:40
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crashanddieJaffa, if I may just say something, I wouldn't be keen on having packages (source debian packages) coming from everywhere. I think we should stick with one release (say, debian etch stable ?), and not start using sid or whatever00:41
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Jaffacrashanddie: can you expand on your reasons?00:42
crashanddieWell, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my NIT to be bricked because of some unstable version00:42
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zaplardman: thats ok00:44
Jaffacrashanddie: that's what Extras-devel and promotion are for; no different to someone uploading svn HEAD of a project to Extras, is it? Or people writing crap s/w from scratch...00:44
jottcrashanddie: etch does not really imply stable versions of packages, just a stable overall system00:44
jottand as maemo extras is completely off from etch it is really unrelated ..00:45
jottand sid packages can give much more stable versions..00:46
crashanddieI think that's debatable00:46
crashanddieBut I guess that extras-devel is some kind of safety net00:47
JaffaIt's up to the packager to find the most suitable version. By *default* for a Debian source, mud goes for 'testing', but it's changeable00:47
jotti does not claim all sid packages are more stable00:47
jottbut i claim etch contains unstable packages compared to the upstream projects00:47
crashanddieunstable ? I don't know. Maybe versions that lack the most current features and improvements, but unstable... I doubt so00:48
vandenoeverare there any binaries for kde4 ? i saw a blog about tit00:48
jottcrashanddie: unstable in the sense of "more bugs"00:48
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GeneralAntilles Comments?01:02
GeneralAntillesIt's missing a few parts, but as a basic overview.01:02
lbtOK - I got gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup working fine on a button - now I need it to work on a label. Labels don't have windows so I created an hbox and put the label in that and then added the setup call to the hbox - but it ignores it01:03
MangoFusionGeneralAntilles: a scheduler?01:03
GeneralAntillesFor adv-backlight01:04
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MangoFusiony'know what would be cool is if there was a decent calendar app which you could use to schedule tasks through dbus or something to change the brightness, send an email, and make a cup of coffee01:05
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MangoFusionnice idea though. but i wonder, wouldn't it be better to use a slider for the "To" value?01:06
GeneralAntillesIs there room for that? :P01:07
GeneralAntillesand I want people to be able to type in the value.01:07
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lardmanzap: cool, means I can keep the same 1-based array indices of my MATLAB code too :)01:10
MangoFusioni'd be wondering "what on earth do all of these numbers mean?"01:10
MangoFusionbut that's just me01:10
lardmanMangoFusion: mute the volume when you're in a meeting, etc01:11
GeneralAntillesToo bad it's still a bit immature on Maemo.01:12
MangoFusioni don't see a "When i'm in a meeting" option in that screenshot ;)01:12
lardmanindeed, we need an app though01:12
lardmansulpd api would be good too01:12
lardman Android Developer Challenge pg40 - locale01:13
lardmanhmm, difficult url that one: " Android Developer Challenge"01:13
lbtwell - you've all been totally useless tonight :)01:14
lbtI've had to resort to email!!!01:14
lardmanwe try :)01:14
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lbtI did do some docs for the gtkmm guys01:14
MangoFusionnice apps. pity there's nothing real i can run them on. :(01:15
lbtand sent them to gnome-c++ as per the instructions -  no reply though01:15
lardmanI wasn't acting as an Android fanboy, we should have some cool apps like that too!01:15
lbtOK - I'm done - g'night all...01:15
lardmannight lbt01:16
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zapAnybody succeeded to resize that Yellow Notes applet?01:19
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lardmanI'm hitting the sack too, night all01:20
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Makeghohmm, su doesn't work so I have to ssh root@localhost ;-)01:22
infobothmm... rootaccess is
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Makeghois it possible to open multiple x terminals at the same time? I can't access the local tablet when I'm chatting on irc :)01:30
GeneralAntillesIt supports tabs. . . .01:30
Makeghogotcha, thanks01:31
Makeghothere's so much to learn. ^^01:32
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qoshey guys. whats about the screen rotation thing. did something change for diablo?02:44
GeneralAntillesGoogle. . . .02:45
crashanddiedoes a bluetooth mouse work for the n8x0 ?02:46
jottqos: and use the all new advanced-backlight instead of the old rotate-sb-plugin :)02:47
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qosjott, an hour ago i made a new theme for it ;)02:48
qos42 icons are much :)02:48
GeneralAntillesNo kidding.02:48
GeneralAntilles84 is even worse. ;)02:48
qosyou did it twice?02:49
GeneralAntillesLCARS and the default set02:49
jottqos: where is your theme? if it's good we can integrate it in the next release ;)02:49
qosits a combination of the both original plugins... currently its on my desktop pc. and i am in my bed. ;)02:51
qosjott, do you remember that i did suggest you and icon for your own plugin?02:52
jottah that was you :)02:52
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qosyeah ;) the 2 squares ...02:53
jottqos: i did not work on this stuff until last weekend..02:53
qosdoes the new plugin also rotate the dpad?02:54
jottand now it ended in an all new shiny join with adv-backlight ;)02:54
jottmight have to add an option for this02:54
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GeneralAntillesHardware key assignment is on the list.02:54
jottGeneralAntilles: d-pad rotation is already in ;)02:55
GeneralAntillesHow do you switch it?02:55
jottyou can't disable it atm02:55
qosyou showed me the code for it ;)02:55
jottit just rotates the dpad according to the xrandr rotation02:55
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qoswhich was much more elegant than mine ;)02:55
GeneralAntillesdpad changes brightness and volume levels over here.02:56
qosthats enought02:56
jottGeneralAntilles: no, the dpad in general.. if you rotate then up, down, left, right are remapped02:56
jottso you can scroll intuitively02:57
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* GeneralAntilles is dumbass02:58
qosso, is there a central place to get the rotation? something like so that everytime a new kernel gets released you can get the patched kernel there...02:58
GeneralAntillesI was thinking that press a dpad direction when the applet was open would rotate to that orientation.02:58
jottheh it was too intuitive to realize ;)02:58
GeneralAntillesRight, right.02:58
GeneralAntillesThe best kind of intuitive!02:58
jottqos: might be an idea..02:59
jottor just push the kernel to extras02:59
GeneralAntillesEverything should be pushed to Extras02:59
jottjust have to think about a sane way to make it optional02:59
GeneralAntilleswith maybe the kernel being in Extra-devel.02:59
jottprobably a "Provides" would do the job..03:00
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jottGeneralAntilles: kernel could also be in regular extras if it is "solved the right way" (tm)03:00
GeneralAntillesOf course03:00
GeneralAntillesa "rotation-support" package would be pretty cool03:01
jotti guess just naming it differently and using the provides field allows it to be installed without breaking stuff03:01
* jott has yet to get himself access to the autobuilder ;)03:01
jotthmm if this "provides" works as i think it should, we could also push the xserver this way..03:03
jottand then some rotation-support metapackaggggge..03:03
jottarg keyboard :)03:03
GeneralAntillesIt's cooler that way. ;)03:03
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qoswhat does the kernel-diablo-flasher package? i guess it flashes my kernel, but how in detail?03:09
GeneralAntillesIt's slightly mis-named.03:10
GeneralAntillesFlashing is handled by the fiasco-flasher on the device03:10
GeneralAntilleswhich is essentially a slightly slimmed down version of the regular Linux flasher.03:10
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jottand invoked by the "flash-and-reboot" script03:10
jottwhich just takes the /usr/share/osso/images/zImage-diablo-200823 and calls the fiasco-flasher03:11
jott(and the initfs in the same dir)03:11
qosahh, okay03:13
qosso, just a small reboot03:13
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qosso, i am back03:15
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qosgreat work, looks really great the new plugin03:16
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qosby the way. there is still a fix for the icq problem missing, right?03:17
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qos... still no fix ... upps03:19
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qosGeneralAntilles, ahhh a fix. but i was thinking about the latest pidgin03:24
fnordiansliptalking of the flasher, presumably flashing a kernel to my cloned internal card is done the same way as flashing to, er, the flash ?03:24
qosthe developer wrote in the garage project, that he is working on it03:24
GeneralAntillesYour card and the flash share the same kernel.03:25
fnordianslipaha.  didn't think of that. no probs.03:25
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jottfnordianslip: just pay attention when you invoke "flash-and-reboot" as this will overwrite your initfs03:26
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GeneralAntillesJust use fiasco-flasher03:26
GeneralAntillesLeave flash-and-reboot for Nokia.03:27
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fnordianslipok.  i've still gotta update scratchbox and build the kernel so no rush03:27
fnordianslipunless osmeone else fancies switching on support for AX.25 ? ;-)03:28
jottax.25? woo this is still in use?03:31
jottprepare for the day after? ;)03:32
GracanaIt's in use by amateur radio operators..03:32
fnordianslipoh yes.  i've just bought a new TNC this week, and have been writing some code for the Delay Tolerant Networking research Group's Bundling Protocol so run on AX.25.03:32
GracanaFor standard packet radio03:32
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jottyeah just haven't heared of people using it for years ;)03:32
GracanaThere's still a pretty active packet radio network around the US.03:33
jottamazing ;)03:33
GracanaEr, maybe not terribly active, but pretty existant anyway. :P03:33
fnordianslipso maybe someone could turn on support in a kernel03:33
fnordianslipor I'll have to do it myself03:33
GracanaAPRS has survived quite well.03:33
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jottfnordianslip: wouldn't it be suffice to build the module?03:34
GracanaThere is a lot of APRS traffic.03:34
fnordianslipperhaps? is that a good plan?03:34
fnordianslipis it enabled as a module?03:34
jottno there are almost no modules installed03:34
fnordianslipwouldn't the kernel  config have to have it specifically enabled as a module03:35
jottyeah that too, but nokia does not really ship kernel modules03:35
jottthere you find how to build a module03:36
fnordianslipyeah the bit where i have to manually edit the .config file is the scarey bit03:37
jottuse make menuconfig ;)03:37
jottor even make xconfig :p03:37
fnordianslipi tried that before in scratchbox03:37
fnordianslipwhy does the wiki say to edit it by hand?03:37
jottwell some people like it this way as it seems..03:38
jottand it's less text in the tutorial ;)03:38
jottand it's pretty straight forward anyway03:38
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fnordianslipcool.  will get hacking03:39
qose.g. i like the textway more ,)03:40
jottqos: only problem is when you upgrade the kernel and you get new options ;)03:40
jottthen you still have to use make oldconfig :)03:40
fnordianslipyeah, but it also says to use vi.  fat chance!03:41
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qosok, i dont lie vi that much :) as long you come to an finish03:41
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qosso, good night together03:44
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NeoStrider_hey folks04:04
NeoStrider_would you guys suggest me to use a double buffer for speed reasons?04:08
NeoStrider_I do draw a lot of polygons04:08
NeoStrider_flickering is not a matter for me04:08
rm_youhrm, i know lcuk does graphics, but looks like he is asleep <_<04:08
NeoStrider_lcuk would be a good guy to answer me =-)04:09
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rm_youbah X-Fade isn't even here for me to ping04:15
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crashanddieI'm out04:18
crashanddiecheers everyone04:18
crashanddieI'll try to release a preview of my graphic spectrum based on mic input04:19
crashanddieI'm not sure I'll be able to, but I'll try04:19
jottcrashanddie: oh did you take a looked at libvisual? or have i asked you that already?04:20
crashanddiejott, lol, you lucky I wanted to check something on my mouse's behaviour, or I wouldn't have opened the lid again04:20
crashanddieoh well, last cigarette I gues04:20
crashanddiejott, I don't think I've heard anything about libvisual04:21
jottit's sadly not in further development atm04:21
jottbut it gives a nice framework for audio visualization04:21
jotti tried running it on the tablet and it seems to work..04:22
sin18the forums suggest using ssh roo@localhost (on nokia n800 /diablo) but it fails to log me in when i use 'rootme' password04:22
sin18ssh root@localhost*04:22
infobotwell, rootaccess is
crashanddiejott, I'll have to look into it, but from what I'm reading, it seems quite heavy04:23
crashanddiejott, I don't *need* the fourier engine, considering gstreamer already does that for me04:24
crashanddieAnd I'd really want to prove that you can do a lot with this NIT when you use optimized code04:25
jottlook at the nice example :)04:25
jottit runs some pretty heavy visualization fluently04:25
crashanddiewhat example ?04:26
jotthold on04:27
rm_youvisualization of mic input would be totally awesome :P04:30
rm_youreally only see it as a a random toy, but hella fun :P04:30
rm_youwould look neat sitting on a desk04:30
GeneralAntillesRandom toys are good for making other people feel small with their crappy devices. :P04:30
crashanddiewell, ideally, I'd like to be able to choose different inputs04:31
rm_youespecially if there was a big giant clock somewhere on the display still :)04:31
sin18infobot : thanks04:31
infobotpas de quoi, sin1804:31
crashanddieinfobot : you speak french ? Awesome04:31
crashanddie~cookie GeneralAntilles04:31
infobotHey crashanddie,  is04:31
rm_youlol, you break infobot? :P04:32
jottthis runs super smooth04:32
jottand reacts to music04:32
crashanddieI'll have to look into it then04:32
crashanddiebut I just want to get my small stuff working04:33
crashanddieI'll need to get a newer version of gstreamer online, shitty stuff like that which I really don't have time for04:33
crashanddieplus it would appear libvisual is integrated into gstreamer04:33
crashanddiewhich would be pure awesomeness in a can04:33
crashanddiejott, thanks for the tip04:33
jottsure no problem.. did some work with it ..04:33
jottmore on the desktop (pixelshader based stuff)..04:34
crashanddiejott, I'd appreciate it if you could email me that stuff though04:34
jottyeah i'll see if i can still find it..04:34
jottwas 1-2 years ago04:34
crashanddieoh, ok04:35
jottor even longer.. who knows ;)04:35
crashanddiewell, don't bother if it's too much hassle04:35
crashanddieAND DAMNIT04:35
jottservers down?04:35
GeneralAntillesThey should ship everybody free DVD copies.04:35
crashanddieMap of 296MB, fails at 28004:35
GeneralAntillesI've never managed to get it to download a whole map set successfully.04:35
jottcrashanddie: atleast you can check the libvisual sources as there are some nice visualization algorithms in there04:36
crashanddiejott, their website is down atm, only wiki is up04:36
jottthe main dev got his own company..04:36
t_s_ohmm, i guess people know of the recent nokia im client beta with gps support. i wonder, can something similar be put onto the tablets?04:36
jottso he has no more time.. :(04:36
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crashanddieanyway, thanks for giving me some more work jott :P04:38
jotthah my duty04:38
rm_yout_s_o: so people know where you are IMing them from? :P04:38
crashanddieI'm off04:38
t_s_osomething like that rm_you04:38
crashanddieI imagine the conversation "dude... I'm on google maps right now, looking at your coordinates... Are you on the can ?" "err, well" "that's just gross"04:39
GeneralAntillesOne of the top 10 places to use your tablet?04:39
crashanddiethat's about as discreet as the "splash" during a phone conversation04:39
jottthis so reminds me so of the google epic 201404:40
jottit was quite funny when google actually announced android ;)04:41
jott for those of you not knowing it yet04:41
jottreally nice ;)04:41
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jotttimeline might not be accurate ;)04:44
rm_younever heard of friendster >_>04:45
rm_youlol yeah we watched this in my Mass Media class :P04:47
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jottactually it's epic 2015 i meant :P04:49
jottwhere they integrated the location based services ;)04:49
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rm_youlol, updated version <_<04:52
rm_youyeah thats the one we watched04:52
rm_youand i walked up and showed my professor what i was working on04:52
rm_youwhich was my n800 with GPS and wikimapia data04:53
rm_youand she was like "... ... ... ..."04:53
rm_youall the people around me were like "WOAH" watching the video04:54
jottyeah really nicely done04:54
rm_youand i was like "oh, what a coincidence, i was just working on doing that"04:54
jottand not *too* far fetched ;)04:54
rm_youand then they were like "woah! ... ... nerd :P"04:54
rm_youwhy is EVERYTHING on garage SOOOOOO slow04:56
GeneralAntillesIt's awful, isn't it?04:56
rm_youlinks take like 45 seconds to load04:56
GeneralAntillesJust do something else while it's doing things. :P04:56
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rm_youjust trying to edit tasks... >_>04:56
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rm_youi want to see the tracker merged just so it won't be on garage anymore04:56
GeneralAntillesStupid Finnish vacation interrupted our server upgrades. . . .04:56
* GeneralAntilles wishes for bugzilla everytime I use tracker.04:56
rm_youso it wont take me 10 minutes to change the info on a bug04:57
GeneralAntillesIf only andre and guenther would get back from freaking GUADEC we might be able to make some headway on that.04:57
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jottpupnik posted that already a few days ago :P06:12
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rm_youah :P well, it's awesome06:15
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GeneralAntillesrm_you is so behind the curve.06:19
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doc|homerm_you: this is great :D06:23
rm_yousee, someone hadn't seen it :P06:24
tank-manit was pasted before but was at some slow site06:25
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ds3heh mass media class... trying hard not to think of USB06:25
rm_youhrm, got on a youtube browsing streak... they have 3d tvs now? >_>06:25
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doc|homebwahaha, arrange by penis06:26
rm_youWOWvx 3D? anyone seen one IRL?06:26
t_s_ohaving your own version of the video there GeneralAntilles?06:28
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GeneralAntillest_s_o, thankfully he hasn't mentioned his penis yet. ;)06:29
t_s_ohope he never do...06:29
rm_youawesome conversation there06:30
t_s_ohave someone made a .install file for the chinook extra dir? i fear the forum is about to implode because of that...06:30
GeneralAntillest_s_o, it's long gone.06:31
GeneralAntillesIt was the same thing last november06:31
t_s_oheh, figures06:31
GeneralAntillesAt least we don't have anybody asking why they need libhildon0 <_<06:31
t_s_ohmm, seems its listed on gronmeyer now so i just copied the link from there :P06:33
GeneralAntillesDiablo Extras should be mostly there in a couple weeks06:33
GeneralAntillesso hopefully it'll resolve itself.06:33
t_s_oor maybe i gave the wrong link. bah...06:34
GeneralAntillesCan trying to solicit money on Planet be grounds for removing that feed?06:34
GeneralAntillesSee aisu's entry. <_<06:35
GeneralAntillesThe digg links that get inserted into the bottom of a bunch of entries piss me off, too.06:37
* GeneralAntilles thumbs all of aisu's entries.06:39
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rm_youGAH forgot for a second my laptop is a convertable tabletpc >_>06:57
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rm_yougrabbed the botton of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P06:57
infobotrm_you meant: grabbed the bottom of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P06:57
rm_youscared the crap out of me06:58
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Raytrayinteresting bot06:59
GeneralAntilles. . .06:59
GeneralAntillesclose it properly. . . .06:59
GeneralAntillesIt's only interesting function is sed.06:59
Raytrayoh heh06:59
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infobotRaytray meant: oh k07:00
rm_youand other things07:00
rm_you~lart GeneralAntilles a clue07:01
* infobot wallops GeneralAntilles a clue with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long07:01
rm_youbah i did that wrong07:01
RaytrayWhose is it?07:01
rm_you~lart rm_you for not having a clue07:01
* infobot puts rm_you into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of rm_you's hair of for not having a clue07:01
GeneralAntilles~lart rm_you with competence07:01
* infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down rm_you with competence's throat until rm_you with competence puts on 150lbs07:01
GeneralAntillesIt's in a bunch of Linux channels.07:01
infobotone warez list being sent07:01
GeneralAntillesOK then07:01
infobotone warez list being sent07:02
rm_you~lart infobot for lieing07:02
* infobot beats rm_you severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for lieing07:02
rm_you~lart rm_you for falling for that07:02
* infobot teaches rm_you for falling the basics, including how to RTM for that07:02
rm_youwow that is very unpredictable07:02
rm_you~cookie rm_you07:02
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... 07:03
GeneralAntillesI'm taking away your bot privileges.07:03
infobotrm_you meant: oyes07:03
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Cptnodegardwhat happened to gronmayer?07:13
rm_youSo there is a google filter that blocks explicit content.... Why isn't there a google filter that blocks non-explicit content? :P07:13
rm_youI definitely see distinctly valid uses for each :)07:16
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yigalcan anyone suggest a sip service provider?07:22
yigalthey offer a quality service, other than their software being included with GNOME?07:23
rm_youyigal: yep :P07:24
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yigalok two good ones, I think I want to try this method, haven't done it before07:25
yigalI tried skype a couple of years ago and then didn't bother with it afterwords07:25
GeneralAntillesToo bad GrandCentral isn't handing out anymore invites.07:25
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yigalGeneralAntilles: for just use the gizmo application that comes with os2008?07:29
GeneralAntillesYou could07:29
GeneralAntillesBut I use the built-in client07:29
GeneralAntillesdon't have to have the Gizmo application taking up space in the taskbar all the time.07:30
yigalmakes sense07:30
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yigalGeneralAntilles: like all of your advice sipphone hits the nail on the head for what my needs are, I bow to your knowledge07:40
GeneralAntillesGlad to have helped. :)07:40
yigalit did very much07:40
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yigalGeneralAntilles: so I actually need to use the gizmo software first in order to create an account and then I can delete it?07:50
yigalor install on another machine to set it up, initially07:52
yigalyes, a little off topic don't worry it's simple enough to do07:54
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GeneralAntillesyigal, you can register on the website.07:57
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yigaltoo late :)08:04
Prez00_can i mount my FS from my ubuntu box on a diablo runnign n800?08:05
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GeneralAntillesPrez00_, are you asking if you can mount your rootfs in two places at the same time? :\08:06
Prez00_no, just mount a share from my ubuntu box on the n80008:06
GeneralAntillesAh, right08:07
GeneralAntillesThere's a dozen and one ways to do it.08:07
Prez00_good deal, will google for one..08:08
GeneralAntillessshfs and samba are two valid options.08:09
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Prez00_got it08:14
Prez00_found a mount wizard...08:14
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befr0duh It seems like ukmp does not uses canola covers :/ at least it download them from the internet.08:37
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rm_youBLAH, back in debian, windoze is a nightmare08:42
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rm_youwow, the bluetooth in my phone is like... TOO powerful >_>09:19
rm_youtrying to use blue-proximity to lock my machine when i walk away...09:19
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GeneralAntillesPut some aluminum foil around the antenna. :P09:19
rm_youbut i can freaking wall outside my apartment, down the hall, out of wireless internet range, and it still thinks i'm within like 10 feet09:20
rm_youbased on signal strength :P09:20
rm_yous/wall/walk/ (yes, this isn't going to work)09:20
Stskeepsrm_you: use the rssi strength instead?09:21
pyhimysfaraday cage!09:21
Stskeepsthat's sure to vary09:21
rm_youwhat does it use by default?09:21
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rm_youi think thats what it does09:22
Stskeepsprobably just detecting the bluetooth device is detectable09:22
rm_youIt connects to your mobile phone via bluetooth and uses the rssi value – something like the automatically set transmission power – to get a distance approximation.09:23
rm_youso yeah09:23
rm_youthey're saying that a value of 7 for them means like, across the room09:23
Stskeepsthey don't measure in dbm? :P odd09:23
rm_youi walked down the hall from my apartment, and with three closed doors behind me i had a 909:24
rm_youi can go ANYWHERE in this apartment and still have a 009:24
rm_youand it isn't a small apartment09:24
rm_youmaybe i will try using n800 as the device instead of my cell09:24
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rm_youbah i think it is cause of the bluetooth dongle i'm using in my PC >_>09:29
rm_youit's a class 109:30
burntehere's a crazy kooky question. Let's say I have stuff set up in a way I'd like to preserve. Like on makes an image of a freshly installed PC ready to go, how might I grab a snapshot of the boot part and later restore it if need be?09:31
rm_youburnte: on a live PC, not in a virtual machine?09:31
qwerty12burnte, an image of the N8*0?09:32
burnten810, yeah09:32
burntesorry for leaving that out09:32
rm_youah lol09:32
burnteI guess that's kidn of "important"09:32
burnteI've been up for 0 hours and I'm not 15 anymore, DON'T JUDGE ME!09:32
burnteyeah, see, that 0 should have been 2009:33
* burnte fails09:33
* burnte looks at the link provided09:33
qwerty12If you don't have an mmc partition to restore from, using the linux/macos flasher should restore it fine.09:33
XTLiI'VE been up for 0 hours.09:33
burnteXTLi: Is it as good as I've heard it is?09:33
burnteqwerty12: Thankfully, 2gb internal, so, that's good stuff.09:34
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XTLiburnte: I don't know. By the time I wake up, all I have is very obscure logs and occasionally some code09:35
burnteqwerty12: Also, it seems that the post you linked is pretty much exactly what I want to do.09:35
qwerty12Cool :)09:35
burnteXTLi: I have the obscure logs, but usually an empty bowl of cereal instead of code.09:35
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, would you happened to have checked to see if the fiasco-flasher can really flash the rootfs?09:37
qwerty12I tried flashing a fiasco image using fiasco-flasher and all it does is extract the kernel and initfs and flash them.09:38
qwerty12I didn't see any switches for rootfs flashing too :(09:38
GeneralAntillesValid --flash-only options:09:38
GeneralAntillesnolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs09:38
GeneralAntillesIt might be an interesting thing to bundle onto the initfs.09:39
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qwerty12It sounds like it would be. Hmm, if my ssh worked, I'd be tempted to chroot to an diablo install on the mmc to see if it worked.09:42
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qwerty12Erm, isn't mce closed source?09:46
GeneralAntillesShould be.09:46
qwerty12I'm saving that one for keeps.09:46
qwerty12Looks like the real shit to me too.09:46
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GeneralAntillesWhat's the license?09:47
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qwerty12Can't find a LICENSE file anywhere :/09:48
GeneralAntillesWell, it's definitely OLD09:48
GeneralAntilles"Confidential.  You are not free to do anything with this package, unless you have permission from Nokia Corporation."09:48
qwerty12True, but if's the only source publicly available.09:49
qwerty12Heh :/09:49
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Stskeepsqwerty12: it's in bora/ too09:49
qwerty12Hmm, why have the source to an old one available but not the latest :(09:50
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qwerty12anyway, should save me from resorting to dbus-monitor when I want to make a dbus-send command to save me time.09:52
qwerty12for mce anywayz09:53
qwerty12Hmm, access to CAL is through MCE right?09:56
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burntedanke all, good night.09:58
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trickieqwerty12: i believe so... dsme10:00
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qwerty12Thanks trickie.10:00
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qwerty12It's where the source for things like dsme is kept etc anyway.10:00
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alsorhello, i installed the scratchbox, and run it correctly. But there is no selections in Utilities->... also like the Extras...10:03
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trickiesource for dsme? i thought the only copy *in the wild* was the one lardman accidently found10:03
zaphmm, osso-browser-ui-l10n sources are not available10:04
alsorHow can I add selection like those in N810? like Utilities->Xterm ?10:04
zapAnybody knows what this license would mean: "Licensed under same terms as the software component the l10n strings have been derived from" ?10:04
trickiewhen did they open up mce?10:05
XTLialsor: you mean .desktop files?10:05
melmothzap: is this in a po file or something ?10:05
zapthis package contains the translations for osso-xterm10:06
zapwhich is GPL per se10:06
melmothsounds like the trnaslation file has the same licence that the software it is used for10:06
XTLizap: that the l10n file sort of goes with the main10:06
alsorXTLi, oh, I didn't modify the .Desktop yet.10:06
zapXTLi: does this mean that osso-browser-ui-l10n is GPL as well?10:06
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XTLialsor: I mean that they come from such files.. You can read some packaging policy about the10:07
melmothif i understand correclty the trnaslated file in osso-browser-ui-l10n are under the same licence as osso-browser-ui10:07
XTLizap: that's how I understand that IANAL10:07
zapmelmoth: but what has osso-xterm to do with osso-browser-ui? :)10:08
melmothi don't know, but this is the package you mentionned :)10:08
alsorXTLi, thanks, I will look into the files10:08
zapok I see your point )10:08
zapbut anyway it's a very strange approach10:09
zaposso-xterm is GPL while translations are proprietary10:09
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XTLiActually I think it more specifically follows the license of the strings that were translated10:11
XTLiWhereever  they came from :)10:11
zapby the way, there's no osso-browser or osso-browser-ui package at all10:12
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zapokay so if strings came from osso-xterm, those strings are GPL? and the strings that came from a proprietary app, are proprietary?10:13
zapwhat a hot mix of licenses in one package :)10:13
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XTLiThey could have come from a subcontractor, never released and classified :)10:14
zapthe header says it's maintained by a Nokia employee10:15
* zap wonders what will happen if he'll msgunfmt the .po files10:15
XTLiYou could have such fun  with these licenses and micropayments10:15
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GeneralAntillesosso-browser-ui became tablet-browser-ui10:19
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zapah, that's it10:26
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rm_youlcuk_zzz / lardman|gone / X-Fade / qwerty12 / timely : ANY of you there? :P10:29
rm_youseems like NO ONE is on right now10:29
Stskeepshmm, i may have cracked the debian wireless power consumption10:29
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rm_youX-Fade: hey :P10:30
rm_youHrm, so i need people's opinions10:32
amengHi, guys after Ichanged  /etc/fonts/font.conf. my n810 will always restart and can not startup. What can i do?10:33
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rm_youIf advanced-backlight *replaced* (actually physically removed and took the place of) the original brightness control panel applet, what amount of evil would that most closely resemble: picking a flower for your loved one, picking a flower for no reason, or picking a flower for Hitler? >_>10:35
amengglass:is there other way except reflash?10:35
Stskeepsrm_you: isn't there a sane way to dpkg --remove that applet?10:36
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rm_youStskeeps: yeah, if we marked advanced-backlight as "replaces" on that package, would that be nice and happy?10:36
glassameng: well if you had some way to access the filesystem without that..10:36
lbtrm_you: the most evil :  picking a flower for no reason10:37
Stskeepsrm_you: i would be happy, :P10:37
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lbtit seems reasonable to 'replace' or 'conflict' though10:37
rm_youso, that would be ok?10:38
XTLiWriting a zoning law requiring all flowers be replaced with rhododendrons10:38
XTLiActuallly I probably approve of it.10:38
rm_youthose are particularly obnoxious to spell >_>10:38
XTLiAdv bl, not rhododendrons10:39
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Stskeeps <- am i right in assuming noticing the use of IW_POWER_MULTICAST_R in wlancond would make it possible to do maemo-like power saving for wifi in debian, using "just" wireless-tools?10:40
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joyiousglass:if i reflash the N810, will it change the data in /media/mmc210:56
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glassjoyious: dunno, might not, probably not10:57
rm_youjoyious: it should not.10:59
melmothit never did change the content of my memory card here10:59
joyiousthanks guys10:59
joyiousI'll try that, but reflash the whole system only for a config file is not that good idea11:00
GeneralAntillesDon't break important config files then. :)11:01
GeneralAntillesEither that, or get yourself some sort of recovery method so you don't have to reflash when you do.11:01
XTLiDon't the backups usually go there?11:03
XTLiWould be fun if a reflash blew the backups away11:03
joyioushow to make a backup?11:04
joyiousmake it as a image and reflash with it other than the original one ?11:04
GeneralAntillesXTLi, flashing doesn't touch the cards.11:04
XTLiYes, that's what I mean11:05
joyiousGeneralAntilles: any other way for recovery ? if the whole system can not start up11:07
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GAN800Install fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery or keep a second bootable partition on one of the cards.11:08
joyiouscan we access the filesystem with this "fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery"  from PC then?11:11
rm_youyes, but...11:12
rm_youunfortunately you need to have the tablet booted up to flash it, i believe?11:12
rm_youor can you do it with flasher-3.0?11:12
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joyiousi check the start up progress , it's almost 100%, the config i changed is just a fontconfig for init11:13
GeneralAntillesrm_you, sure, you just need the jffs2 image.11:14
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joyiousGeneralAntilles, you mean i can just reflash the jffs2 image with flasher-3.011:15
rm_youi hafta watch TV now <_<11:15
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AddisonGreetings all!11:20
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Stskeeps <- if anyone wants a cfdisk package11:22
Stskeeps(requires libncurses and libslang2)11:22
AddisonWhat is cfdisk?11:22
Stskeepsit's a partitioner that doesn't suck like sfdisk11:23
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Stskeeps(libncurses5, sorry)11:23
AddisonWell, all I know how to do is suck, so that's probably not for me.  :)11:23
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XTLiFrom the MS-DOS school of UI design :)11:24
AddisonHey, I'm looking for the resident genius that can find me a 7x13 font in .ttf format.11:25
AddisonAny takers?11:25
GAN800Stskeeps, think you could package that up for Extras?11:25
AddisonI promise to write a song about you if you can find such a font.11:25
StskeepsGAN800: possibly.. it's a bit of a hacky package though - util-linux package from armel stripped down and dependancies changed to match maemo libs11:26
Stskeepsit works 100% though11:26
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Stskeepsdoesn't extras require building from source?11:26
GAN800It does.11:27
Stskeepscos that might be difficult since someone in here stated util-linux broke when trying to compile it under sb or something11:27
XTLiYou modified the binary .deb?11:28
AddisonOkay, pop quiz.  How can I possibly find a 7x13 font in .ttf format?11:28
StskeepsXTLi: extracted it using dpkg-deb -e & -x, stripped it down and added better Depends: and modified it so it works with maemo :P11:28
XTLiAddison: converter and some X font?11:29
Stskeepsin any case i'm going to use it for nit-debian so we can add a partitioner step and a mkfs step :P11:29
AddisonHey XTLi, I have no idea what you just said.  It was almost like reading Sputnik.   I'm a complete newbie, anychance you could point me in a certain direction11:30
XTLi-misc-fixed <311:30
XTLiAddison: honestly, I don't really know what you want either :)11:31
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AddisonI'm just looking for a 7x13 font.  I couldn't care less on how it looks, the size is all that matters.11:31
AddisonDoes that make any sense?11:31
AddisonThis font is for Xterminal only if that helps anyone.11:32
AddisonWell, I'm growing tired of how stupid I am, I think I need to pass out right about now.11:34
AddisonHave a good night everyone!11:34
AddisonSee ya!11:34
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befr0dheh, he missed it11:35
XTLiSo no song? :(11:36
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jackghi guys~I want to know how to stream to linux pc from the  N800's webcam ~thanks~12:11
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tank-manjackg, i think there was an incomplete app called peakaboo that was based on vlc that did that. dont know if it was completeed12:14
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jackg you mean i have to install the vlc on the n800?12:16
XTLiThere is some gstreamer  tutorial at IBM12:16
XTLiSearching for maemo and camera I hit that once12:16
tank-manis this to spy on the girls locker room?12:17
XTLiI wasnted a commandline or otherwise nongui camera app that doesnt slug along updating the screen12:17
jackgI know ~but gst-launch 's plug-ins is different from the pc~so it is different to match this plug-ins12:18
XTLiAnd on 810 require acrobatics in pointing the cam away from yourself12:18
macoutejackg: excuse me, but are you trying to make your messages harder to read on purpose?12:18
macoutethere is no need at all to write strange characters when ircing12:19
jackgno~my english is poor~sorry12:19
macoutetheres nothing wrong with your english but the tildes (~) :)12:19
XTLiJust say jaja and it'll be okay12:19
gomiammacoute: no, he's writing from Japan, probably, so instead of writing dots his keyboard uses ~ as sentence separator :-12:19
macoutegomiam: ok :)12:20
macouteso he is not trying to make his messages harder to read on purpose ;)12:20
jackgi mean gstream 's gst-launch has many version ~ So it is diffcult to match these between them12:20
gomiammacoute: well, what can I say, I tend to believe people don't try to bother each other on purpose (in the beginning, at least)12:20
tank-manjackg, here is what I was talking about,
tank-manbut I could not get it to work12:21
jackgit is different between pc and n800 about the gst-launch12:21
jackgthanks again12:22
gomiammacoute: actually, my traceroute to jackg points to his possibly being in China.12:23
tank-manyou guys are talking like he isnt here, just ask him12:24
gomiamtank-man: but that's not so much fun as tracerouting and WHOISing ;-)12:24
XTLiWhere's the fun in that?12:24
jackgI come from china~welcome12:24
gomiamjackg: exactly from the Beijing province (or at least you are connected to the Beijing Province network)12:25
jackgyes  i am a student from beijing12:26
gomiamI find it interesting there are Maemo users out there. jackg, are you somehow related to that new project that tries to bring Chinese-Japanese ideogram recognition to the Maemo platform?12:26
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jackgI am researching the Product and develop the new function~it is interesting that i mean it is the platform that we study each other~12:30
jackgso the knowledge is no Borders12:30
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* Jaffa is sat in a company wide presentation on someone doing Business Process Opttimisation at a client. Very yawnsome.13:03
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aquatixJaffa: -> n8x0 surfing!13:06
Jaffayup Â:)13:10
Jaffaand doodles/hangman with colleagues13:10
Jaffaoh, and buzzword bingo13:10
aquatixof course ;)13:10
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JaffaWorst so far, "solutionising"13:11
Jaffalo hrw|guadec13:11
Jaffaguadec good?13:11
aquatixJaffa: hah13:11
hrw|guadecJaffa: yes13:12
hrw|guadecbut a bit too much parties ;)13:12
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Jaffahrw|guadec: heh13:12
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lcuk_workjaffa, i bet you aren't brave enough to jump up and shout "House!"13:13
lcuk_workand I hope you are doodling in liqbase ;)13:14
Jaffalcuk_work: you'd be correct: I want a promotion in November ;-)13:14
lcuk_workthen Mr Jaffa what are you doing chatting instead of listening13:14
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* Jaffa admits to not having had time to try it yet13:14
Jaffalcuk_work: making notes ;-)13:15
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lcuk_workjaffa, hack into the projector and put a subliminal message on it "Jaffa deserves the promotion"    "Equal opportunities for oranges"13:17
lardman~lart cars with no spare wheel13:18
* infobot DoSes cars with no spare wheel13:18
lcuk_work:S lardman thats not good13:18
lcuk_workintentionally no spare, or not replaced13:18
Jaffalardman: problems?13:18
lardmanintentional, no space for the spare due to exhaust, etc.13:18
lcuk_work:S lardman that sucks13:19
* Jaffa 's Touran has no spare but has a puncture repair kit :-/13:19
lardmanJaffa: couldn't get into the house last night and had a puncture13:19
Jaffalardman: ouch13:19
lcuk_workwe had some scally steal the back wheel from our peugeot - caught him in progess and he left his proper peugeot jack and spanner set - he got away with the wheel though13:19
* lardman is loath to spray the foam in just to drive to a garage, will wait for gf to give me a lift this arvo13:19
lcuk_worklardman - ohhhh it wasnt your door that was punctured - i did wonder13:20
lardmanlcuk_work: I thought you were joking :P13:20
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lcuk_workwhat car is it?13:21
lardmanMy car has a jack, but the normal bolts & locking wheel nut are different sizes and it doesn't have an adaptor, silly design13:21
lardmanClio 18213:21
lcuk_worki thought it was required to have an emergency wheel, obviously not13:22
lardmanit has foam13:22
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lcuk_workits a bit useless if the tire rips13:23
lcuk_work:D last time i had a puncture i had to get AA out.  i snapped my wheelwrench13:24
* lcuk_work doesnt know his own strength13:24
lcuk_worksome people would put it down to metal fatigue, but i know its cos ive got the REAL ULTIMATE POWER13:24
lardmanlol x213:25
XTLiThose sheetmetal wrenches are ridiculous13:26
lcuk_worklardman, on topic, i think ill have a package by the end of this weekend and i can get back onto serious coding13:26
lcuk_workheh im not the only one
lcuk_workback later13:28
lardmanlcuk_work: cu later13:28
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rm_youok, more people here, yay13:34
rm_youso, need opinions13:34
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rm_youwe've been toying with the idea of completely replacing the original Display Control Panel applet. Assuming we replicate 100% of the original applet's functionality in the new one, and replace it properly (using 'conflict' or 'replace' in the dependencies of the new one), does that sound reasonable?13:35
XTLiMake it so.13:36
rm_youthere was some concern voiced... *shakes fist at GeneralAntilles* ... that people might not like that13:36
rm_youso I'm trying to find out if doing something like that is reasonable :P13:37
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melmothopinion=as long as 1) i can switch back to the previous state, 2) am alerted installing something will result in an given applet being remove.., then i think it s ok.13:38
zaprm_you: why not keep the old package name, then just don't tell anybody it's a replacement, present it as a 'upgrade'13:41
* zap is all for progress13:42
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Jaffarm_you: might need to be careful of osso-software-version and SSU13:43
zapwill it require everybody to move to version-unlocked? :)13:43
rm_youpossibly >_> i'm not sure quite how that works13:44
XTLiProvides: the right version?13:44
zapdoes it work?13:44
konttoriWell, possibly, you could also do a dirty hack and replace the existing applet in the postinst of your app.13:44
zapas far as I've seen Provides: may contain only package name, version is ignored imho13:45
konttorithen prerm could also have the 'put the original back to place ' functionality13:45
rm_youkonttori: that was my original thought, but that was compared with kicking puppies and other vicious things13:45
XTLimight be13:45
rm_youGeneralAntilles basically just put his foot down against that one :P13:45
konttorirm_you: yeah, but otoh, it's pretty nice way to make it easy for the end users13:45
rm_youbut it would be so easy... so very, very easy...13:45
XTLiTouching package managed binaries outside their install shouls set off klaxons13:46
konttorirm_you: I would do it that way myself13:46
rm_youi can just edit the .desktop file for the applet13:46
rm_youdon't have to touch the binary13:46
XTLiBring in ED-209's13:46
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XTLiI wonder if a .desktop is considered a conf file13:47
XTLiThis calls for...13:48
zapupdate-alternatives is for binary filez13:49
rm_youlol but, does maemo even use that?13:49
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lcuk_worksorry guys, its been nice knowing you.  my missus is gonna kill me later (and im gone again now)13:49
rm_you:( later lcuk13:50
rm_youor possibly not >_>13:50
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wndupdate-alternatives isn't only for executables, but also used for manual pages13:52
zaphurray, my ssh key on garage finally got updated13:55
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t_s_ohmm, i cant recall that the "exit offline mode" dialog would ask twice at times and den give me the select network dialog13:58
lcuk_work2rm_you, just read back your thing about replacing the original brightness applet.  maybe a better compromise would be to automatically disable them as part of your installation13:58
lcuk_work2if people install yours and dont like it and want original, if you replace the existing isnt there the chance they would be left with NO way to control these things13:59
rm_youlcuk_work: that's why i think i'll just change something in the .desktop14:00
rm_youworst case scenario, my uninstall script breaks, they have to go in and edit that one file and change one word... inconvenient, but not horrible14:00
lcuk_work2by the way, ask jott or others about how to correctly do the sudoers thing - your postinst script just appends at the moment doesnt it without locking14:01
wndif you want to "temporarily" replace files in other packages, there's always dpkg-divert14:01
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lcuk_work2rm_you: maybe that will work though, but assume users dont have root nor access to be able to edit any system support files14:02
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rm_youthen i give them a deb to fix it? >_>14:02
lcuk_work2so people may have to install something to uninstall something... neat14:03
lcuk_work2lets see if tracy is watching14:04
lcuk_work2lcuk_work hey darling14:04
zapsomething like canola-clear or how it was called14:05
zapI remember installed it because I couldn't understand it's description14:05
zapand voila.... canola gone out automagically :)14:05
lcuk_work2it wouldnt be the first time, but dont things like that end up in the installed apps list?14:05
lcuk_work2and if you uninstall the clear tool does it restore the stuff you aimed to remove14:06
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zapI'd kill people for such packages14:06
rm_youbecause the entirety of the work would have been done with like... sed, in a post-inst14:06
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wndI'd expect a "clean up" package to conflict and replace with packages and question, and do the clean-up stuff in post-inst14:06
crashanddielcuk_work2, did you just talk to yourself in the hope the better part of ya was watching IRC and would answer ?14:06
zapcleanup packages must die, they will clutter the app manager14:07
wnds/replace with packages in/replace the packages in/14:07
* wnd sighs14:07
crashanddieexcepted that a package that deletes another packages can't exist with autobuilder14:07
rm_youdoesnt matter14:07
wndautobuilder can't handle building multiple mtas?14:07
* zap hopes nobody will port gcompris to diablo14:07
crashanddieor, maybe it could, but it would be ironic, considering the removal package would require a dependency to the package it wants to remove14:08
rm_younot necessarily14:08
rm_youthe fix would be a one liner sed command... it could run on the altered file or a perfectly fine file that doesnt need fixing, and it would only change the broken file14:09
rm_youso it wouldn't even need to care whether or not the package was installed previously14:09
lcuk_work2or however i do an angry one14:09
zaprm_you: do control panel applets have a .desktop file?14:10
zaparen't they just .so files or something like that?14:10
crashanddielcuk_work2, .|.. -_- ..|.14:10
crashanddielcuk_work2, that's angry14:10
rm_youzap: yes they do14:10
lcuk_work2crashanddie: she in on my home pc now, and i just asked her if she had seen.  she said yer i thort it was a bit odd maybe a foreign gay geek lover or somethin14:10
crashanddieisn't that me ?14:11
crashanddieThe foreign geek gay lover ?14:11
lcuk_work2lol must be14:11
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zapby the way, update-alternatives is used14:11
lcuk_work2it feels strange to use web based irc again14:12
rm_youwell, possible14:12
crashanddielcuk_work2, xchat on the NIT ?14:12
lcuk_work2anyway, i must vanish got dinner to munch - cyas alter14:12
rm_youi guess i could use that to swap out the .desktop file?14:12
lcuk_work2lcuk_work cya soon tracy :) (K)14:12
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Vladhello to all!14:21
crashanddie <-- that's just sad14:21
Vladcan any one help me to setup cdma dun?14:21
zaprm_you: it looks like for update-alternative to work, both packages must be prepared ahead of time14:21
Vladmy short discrition is
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zaprm_you: the approach with patching the .desktop file has the downside that when you'll upgrade diablo, it will upgrade the .desktop file too14:23
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rm_youchances of them releasing a new version of the package that includes that control panel applet? ridiculously low. almost zero. even if they do, you just reinstall my package...14:25
zapDiablo is promised to be the first ITOS version which will upgrade flawlessly via apt-get upgrade14:26
zapso that'll inevitably happen on next OS upgrade14:26
rm_youmaybe >_>14:26
rm_youanyway, i'll have a new package out by the for them to seamlessly upgrade to :)14:27
aquatixlcuk_work: liqbase is cool :)14:27
aquatixinstalled the zip14:27
aquatixis it correct the game doesn't work yet?14:27
zaprm_you: what if you "get hit by a bus"? :-)14:28
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rm_youthen jott will do it14:28
zapwhat if he gets hired by m$?14:28
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rm_youthen REINSTALL THE PACKAGE :P14:28
zapor rather, uninstall before upgrade14:29
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aquatixlcuk_work: or the Physics Sym14:30
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rm_youno need to uninstall14:32
rm_youreinstalling would re-run the sed script and fix the .desktop file14:33
zapsad, I see no clean way to do it. If you "alternativise" osso-applet-display during install of your package, you hit the same problem when osso-applet-display upgrades14:33
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Vladsorry for disturb will try later14:34
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aquatixhm, advanced-backlight still crashes the environment on reload14:36
rm_youclean-est would prolly be something like this for the install: sed -i cpdisplay.desktop 's/'14:37
aquatixbtw, where does the maemo menu store its info?14:37
rm_youaquatix: if you don't unload it before you install the new version, yes14:37
rm_youthat will happen with almost any applet14:37
rm_youyou're technically advised to reboot :)14:37
aquatixi want to get rid of the rapsody entry that somehow sticks around14:37
aquatixrm_you: ah, k14:38
aquatixfeh, reboots ;)14:38
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lcuk_workaquatix, the game is my ongoing test lab, the "pysics sim" requires sketches to do things with.  the zip contains a folder (_apg) which if you follow the instructions will put a couple of example sketches in there.  every time you go into "do some drawing" and draw something its saved when you Escape out14:38
rm_youaquatix: like the new version? :P14:38
lcuk_workphysics ^14:38
aquatixlcuk_work: oh duh, i just created an empty _apg14:39
lcuk_workthe physics shows the first 90 sketches and lets you play and resize them14:39
* aquatix facepalms14:39
crashanddieone step forward, two steps backwards14:39
aquatixrm_you: ah, looks nice14:39
lcuk_worki shouldnt have called it "game" really - "thar be dragons"14:39
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aquatixreally tiny font for the Brightness and Volume labels though14:40
aquatixlcuk_work: ghehe14:40
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rm_youaquatix: lol yeah14:40
rm_youbut you know what they are :P14:40
lcuk_workif you do infact copy the sketches from the example thing then game shows a little bit more14:40
rm_youbefore they didn't say anything at all, and people understood :P14:40
* lcuk_work should really expand on the proper insoftware documentaiton14:41
crashanddiedoes anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ?14:41
rm_youoh, there's a known bug with the current version, wherein if you jump directly to maximum backlight, it will not update14:41
rm_youso just don't :P14:41
rm_youjump to one less than max :)(14:41
crashanddielcuk_work, one line of code, 3 lines of doc14:41
aquatixlcuk_work: ah, now it makes more sense14:41
aquatixcopied the _apg files14:41
lcuk_workrm_you, could you PLEASEEE add a "MOAR Brightness" button so you can press it and use n810 as a torch at night?14:41
XTLiYou could also make a package to kill all those closed demo installers14:41
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XTLiSounds like it would be well-liked14:42
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* lcuk_work is redesigning the whole sketching ui14:43
lcuk_workthats basically what "game" is the test for14:43
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rm_youheh, torch :P14:43
XTLiFlame on!14:44
rm_youtorch is british for flashlight :) wheee14:44
rm_youwow that is too amusing14:44
aquatix13:41:36 birds entering main loop14:44
aquatix13:42:36 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at liquid@gmail.com14:44
rm_youi should sleep14:44
rm_youlol i did wonder about those birds14:44
lcuk_worklol heh, you eatiher pressed your home button or you let the screen saver/dim thing come on14:45
aquatixah, dim14:45
aquatixthat'd be it14:45
lcuk_worki run away screaming like a mad thing at the first sign of something i dont know how to handle14:45
lcuk_worki would rather do that than have it running and you not be able to do anything14:45
* lcuk_work is actually thinking that putting email address there wasnt the brightest idea ;) but at least i know people are using it14:46
XTLiShould have put in address and subscribed the feed14:48
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lcuk_workXTLi, nahhhh14:48
lardman|gonetime to fix my tyre :(14:49
crashanddielcuk_work, I told you that some time ago already :P14:49
lcuk_workare you taking the wheel to garage lardman|gone14:49
crashanddielcuk_work, you're just warming up old jokes :P14:49
lcuk_workcrashanddie, i know that and thats the same answer i gave then14:49
crashanddiedoes anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ?14:49
* lcuk_work puts them on the griddle14:49
lcuk_workcrashanddie, you?14:50
crashanddieonly with dependency hell :P14:51
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lcuk_workas a visual basic developer i feel your pain :)14:51
lcuk_workim goin, back alter14:52
crashanddieyet another step forward14:53
crashanddiebe prepared to fly back again :-°14:53
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* rm_you sleeps15:00
msh_has anyone seen problems where apt seems to hang (running ldconfig) when installing g stuff in the armel sdk?15:01
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msh_(ldconfig using 100% cpu)15:02
aquatixrm_you: nn15:02
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booleanhmm .. the dot above the wireless icon ( applet? ) signifies what exactly?15:04
Avead hoc?15:04
Aveits in the manual afaicr15:04
booleandidnt see ... time to rtfm15:04
crashanddiew00t w00t15:05
crashanddieand 3 steps back15:05
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aquatixcrashanddie: ?15:07
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crashanddieJaffa, you around ?15:16
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crashanddietime for coffee break15:22
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booleanok the user guide does not have any mention of what the do above the icon mean ... any other docs I should be looking at?15:28
booleans/icon/wireless icon15:29
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aquatixboolean: it means `ad-hoc wifi connection'15:33
aquatixnot sure what you want to know about that?15:33
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booleanhmm ...15:35
* boolean is missing something ... time to rtfm 15:36
aquatixgoogle ad-hoc wifi ;)15:36
booleanheh that is what I am doing15:38
booleanour city offers free public wireless but in ad-hoc mode15:38
macouteboolean: it shouldnt matter basically15:38
macouteif you have an ad hoc and not an infrastrcuture one15:38
booleanwell each time I try to connect to an ad-hoc network, there is no IP associated15:39
macoutehave you tried setting it manually?15:39
booleanthus dont I have to pre-config the setup?15:39
booleanthat is what I thought ..15:40
macoutethough there should be an dhcpd somewhere in the network...15:40
aquatixboolean: you might want to check the docs of the network15:40
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booleanmacoute: that is what I thought15:40
booleanchecking docs now15:41
macoutebut i very much wonder if theyd setup a free wlan-network without a dhcp-server15:41
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aquatixad-hoc seems odd though15:46
booleanwell I am going through their website ... the public wifi requires login15:47
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macoutebut most of the time it works so that first you get the ip, second you login :)15:48
macouteits kinda hard to login without an ip address :o15:48
macouteor maybe you need to register your devices mac?15:48
macoutemac address15:48
Stskeepsanyone here who uses debian on n8x0 but can't use it full time cos of the bad wifi power?15:48
macouteid say everyone who has an n8x0+debian has the same problem :)15:49
macouteor whatever wlan-client :)15:49
macoutei cant even use my laptop all the time because of the bad wifi signal15:49
lopzHello, you think that this GPS? https: / / / shop / pid = 423 #, O is very expensive? What I want to use with N800, or GPS which I recommend?15:50
Stskeepswell i mean the fact the power saving doesn't work well :)15:50
macoutelopz: your url is kinda fucked up15:50
aquatixlopz: why the spaces? how can we copy/paste the url now :)15:50
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lopzhaha ok, I sorry15:50
aquatixhm, i think it's rather expensive, but it looks nice15:51
lopzyep, ~100 USD o_O15:51
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Gracana And for the low price of $39.98, you can get a cable to connect it to your cigarette lighter plug.15:53
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booleanmacoute: no mention of mac registration15:55
lopzGracana, haha15:55
lopzwhat use GPS with their n8x0?15:56
pupniki use it when hiking15:59
lopzhiking ?16:01
pupnikwalking in the forest16:02
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crashanddieJaffa, I order to you to APPEAR !16:11
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pupnik  chulhu nigerian spam baiting - a classic16:13
lardmanhey pupnik, where's this email about sb emu...? ;)16:15
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* pupnik points to development box unplugged in corner of room16:16
lardmanpoor box :(16:16
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StupidI'm really new here16:26
StupidBut i really really need a hand16:26
* crashanddie gives Stupid a hand16:27
StupidI have a nokia n810 and I just updated it using the windows updater16:27
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Stupidbut now i can't get a connection to my wlan16:27
crashanddieStupid, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ?16:28
melmothif you used the backup tool before updating , you should be able to reset your wifi settings16:29
StupidI have, but still all it'll say is no connection available16:29
Stupidi'm on the connection now with my laptop so i know it's working16:29
Stupidbut the tablet won't pick it up16:30
Stupidit picked up my naibours once...16:30
crashanddieStupid, let me ask that again, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ?16:30
Stupidif i knew what that was I'd let you know :D16:30
crashanddieStupid, I've had a few networks that didn't show up (just *didn't* show up)16:31
StupidI'm really new to all tis16:31
brontidecrashanddie: fyi, I've been doing wifi for years and I've never heard of it before16:31
crashanddieintelligent channel detection is when the router decides which channel to use (in order to get the best signal possible, without interference from other wifi networks)16:31
brontidecrashanddie: and I use it on every wifi ap that I own16:31
brontidewithout a hitch from the nokia16:31
Stupidsorry but that still means very little to me...16:32
StupidI'm a total novice16:32
brontideusually listed as automatic channel selection16:32
Stupidtook me half an hour to get in here!16:32
crashanddiebrontide, that's the one !16:32
crashanddiebrontide, well, I've had 3 networks where it didn't work ;)16:32
brontideStupid: Your nokia worked under chinook but won't even see the network under diablo16:32
Stupidi thouhght my nokia wad diablo16:33
Stupidhow do i make it see it?16:33
brontidego back to chinook?16:33
crashanddielike that's a solution :D16:33
brontidethe latest firmware, while better for most, is still amazingly buggy for some16:34
crashanddiebrontide, well, you've been doing wifi for years, I'll let you sort this one, k ?16:34
crashanddieI'm out16:34
aquatixit may be me, but diablo feels slightly less snappy; anyone else feel the same?16:34
brontideStupid: stupid question... is this a "hidden" network?16:34
Stupidi don't think so, no16:35
Stupidit's never been hidden before16:35
aquatixStupid: btw, you can see the version of the OS by going to the Control panel and choose About product16:35
brontideI would at least try adding the network by NOT searching, but manually plugging in the network name and security code.16:36
mgedminaquatix: other people have said diablo feels more snappy16:36
crashanddieI'll bet $50 that won't work16:36
Stupiddone that!16:36
mgedminI think it's all in the mind16:36
brontidecapitalization counts, so be careful.16:36
Stupiddidn't work....16:36
mgedminexcept for panning in the browser, where diablo *is* faster16:36
Stupidgot it in capitals16:36
crashanddiemgedmin, yeah, placebo I think for most16:36
brontidewell then file a bug report at and flash back to chinook where it worked16:37
Stupid4.2008.23-14 is the version i'm running16:37
aquatixmgedmin: hm, i thought the browser felt a bit less snappy, but maybe i'm warped and drinking too much coffee ;)16:37
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brontidebrowser start time has been cut down 30% or more16:37
aquatixStupid: that's diablo16:37
Stupidyay! is that good??16:37
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brontidenot for you I guess16:37
aquatixguess so :)16:37
Stupidi didn't get a choice of what to update to16:38
Stupiddid i do it wrong?16:38
brontideDownload chinook16:39
brontideand flash with that firmware16:39
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brontide and pick the one before the one you have16:40
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Stupidwhy doesn't it work with diablo??16:41
lardmanStupid: have you rebooted?16:41
Stupidand i took the battery out too for good measrue :D16:41
lardmanStupid: what does lsmod show? Are the wifi modules inserted?16:42
Stupidok you lost me...16:42
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lardmanopen the xterm16:42
lardman"start menu" > utilities > X Terminal16:42
Stupidyeppy^^ got that16:43
lardmanhmm, does sudo gainroot work without R&D mode?16:43
lardmanwell you can't use lsmod (list modules) as you're not root16:43
brontidehe can't install becomeroot without network access16:44
lardmanyou could take a look at the dmesg output and see if you can spot any errors16:44
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lardmanyeah, catch 2216:44
aquatix /sbin/lsmod16:44
brontidesorry, presumption16:44
Stupidi'm a female :P16:44
lardmantype "/sbin/lsmod" in the terminal16:45
lardmanwithout the quotes16:45
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lardmanhmm, modules are probably compiled in anyway :)16:45
Stupidi have no idea what any of this means...16:46
Stupidwant me to type it?16:46
lardmanyeah, go for it, see if you see something called "cx3110x" come up16:46
Stupidyeah it has16:46
lardmanok, so the driver is there16:46
Stupidthat line reads: cx3110x 56200 0 - live Oxbf04100016:47
lardmanok, so it rules out a driver issue16:47
lardmannot much help for you though I'm afraid16:47
lardmanbrontide: any thoughts?16:48
lardmanbrontide: dmesg output?16:48
brontideflash back to a working chinook16:48
lardmanthat's just giving up though16:48
Stupidexactly :D16:48
lardmanwell fair enough16:49
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aquatixStupid: do other networks show up? or nothing at all?16:49
Stupidmy naibours put up once or twice16:49
Stupidbut now it's gone again16:49
aquatixtried rebooting your accesspoint? ;)16:50
Stupidum... no...16:50
Stupidnot sure how >.<16:50
lardmanexcept that she's using it atm with her laptop16:50
aquatixunplug it, wait for 10 secs, plug16:50
aquatixerm, hm :)16:50
aquatixmissed that part16:50
Stupidthen i'll loose this conection16:50
aquatixnm then16:51
lardmanif the laptop can see the connection then the N8x0 ought to be able to too16:51
* aquatix has seen accesspoints suddenly not having their wifi up anymore16:51
Stupidbut it's wifiing with my laptop :S16:52
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aquatixyour laptop is also broadcasting the essid?16:52
aquatixwinxp i guess?16:52
aquatixname of the network16:53
Stupidyeah xp^^16:53
Stupidoh yeah^^16:53
aquatixthat might interfere16:53
Stupidit never has before16:53
lardmanexample_camera.c is ssoooooo slloooooow16:54
aquatixwell, if i recall correctly, winxp sp3 or something rebroadcasts the name of your wifi network16:55
aquatixlooking for a way to turn it off now16:55
aquatixon google as i don't have windows :)16:55
Stupidhow come it's never been a problem before?16:55
lardmanbut if it were rebroadcast, at least something would appear in the connection dialog16:55
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aquatixerm, true16:55
lardmanwhat's the command line tool to do a scan?16:56
aquatixmeh, doing wild guesses now; but as it's setting up an ad-hoc with her laptop now...16:56
aquatixiwlist scan16:56
aquatixneed wireless-tools though16:56
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lardmanyeah, not installed16:56
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lardmanIt would be interesting, but nigh on impossible to see the output of dmesg just after you've tried to scan for connections16:58
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Stupid_little_gethat's better^^16:58
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lardmanStupid_little_ge: do you have a memory card?16:58
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lardmanand a memory card reader in the laptop?16:59
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lardmanIs this an N810 or an N800?16:59
lardmanThis may not help btw, if you can't be bothered then I won't be offended17:00
lardmanSo, everyone else, dmesg output of some use?17:00
Stupid_geniusi'll do anything that won't make the problem worse :P17:00
lardmanah you won't break it, don't worry17:00
Stupid_geniusthat's what the guy said who told me to update it......17:00
lardmanwell not any more broken then ;)17:00
lardmanAnyway, my suggestion is to output dmesg (which is a sort of log) to a text file on the memory card, stick that card in your laptop and paste the contents into pastebin.com17:01
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lardmanany nays from the rest of you?17:01
Stupid_geniusok.... tell me how :D17:01
lardmanin the terminal, type "mount"17:02
lardmanactually you don;'t need to, it's an N81017:02
lardmantype "cd /media/mmc1"17:02
lardman(change directory to the memory card)17:02
Stupid_geniusnot found17:03
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lardmanis the memory card in the N810?17:03
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lardmanyou didn't type the quotes did you?17:04
Stupid_geniusmight be new to this but not that new ;)17:04
lardmandid it say "-sh: cd: not found"?17:04
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Stupid_geniusno it said -sh: cd/media/mmc1: not found17:05
summatusmentishmm... I'm assuming we have a borkend n810?17:05
aquatixStupid_genius: mind the space17:05
Raytrayoh space between cd /media17:05
lardmanah, put a space between the cd  and the /17:05
Stupid_geniusno no space that was a typo17:06
aquatixah :)17:06
lardmanso it said "-sh: cd /media/mmc1: not found" ??17:06
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Stupid_geniusoh wait17:06
Stupid_geniusgot it^^17:06
Stupid_geniusstupid keyboard doubled the letters17:07
Stupid_geniusnow it says: /media/mmc1 $17:07
crashanddieJaffa, ? Jaffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa17:08
lardmannow try the connection dialog17:08
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Stupid_geniusexplian how17:08
Stupid_geniusplease :D17:08
summatusmentislardman: connection dialog?17:09
lardmanStupid_genius: on the top right of the screen, there's a bar with some icons - battery, brightness, sound and a connection one17:09
lardmansummatusmentis: for want of a better word17:09
summatusmentisright, how is that connected to dmesg though?17:09
crashanddieeverything is connected to dmesg17:09
lardmansummatusmentis: I'd like to see the dmesg output after it's tried to scan17:09
summatusmentisI see17:09
Stupid_geniusconnectivity settings??17:09
summatusmentiscrashanddie: touche17:09
lardmanI'm not sure if the machine has been rebooted or not17:10
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lardmanotoh, it may not show anything17:10
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crashanddieStupid_genius, still not seeing the network ?17:10
crashanddieDid you change the channel on your router ?17:11
Stupid_geniushaven't  touched the rooter17:11
* crashanddie sits back and wait until he sees "oh, I guess crashanddie was right all along then"17:11
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lardmanStupid_genius: on the top right, next to the battery icon, there;s one that looks like an open fan, tap on that, a drop down will appear, click "connect"17:11
lardmancrashanddie: reflash Chinook? ;)17:11
crashanddiedisable automatic channel selection in the router17:12
Stupid_geniussellect connection or connectivity settings??17:12
crashanddieselect connection17:12
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Stupid_geniusno connections available17:12
lardmanok fine17:13
lardmannow go back to the terminal17:13
lardmantype "dmesg > dmesg.txt"17:13
crashanddieStupid_genius, close the dialog by hitting cnacel17:13
lardmanwhich will save the contents of the log in a file on the memory card called dmesg.txt17:13
lardmanthen close the terminal, pop the card out and stick it in your laptop17:14
lardmandon't use notepad to open the file, choose wordpad17:14
Stupid_geniusis that with  spaces or with out?17:14
lardmanonce you've got it in front of you, let us know17:14
lardmanexactly as typed17:14
summatusmentiswith the spaces17:14
* summatusmentis shuts up17:14
lardmandmesg space > space dmesg.txt17:14
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crashanddiewhere does Jaffa live ?17:15
lardmancrashanddie: Cambridge way I think17:16
crashanddieso if he's not answering, it's cuz he's at work17:16
crashanddiefair enough17:16
qwerty12JaffaMacclesfield (nr. Manchester00:1417:16
summatusmentisthat's not a valied excuse!17:16
Stupid_geniusi've got it infront of me^^17:17
lardmangood good17:17
lardmanopen the following website:
lardmancopy and paste it all into the text box17:18
crashanddieJaffa is his real name ?17:18
lardmanselect "a day" for how long to keep it for17:18
qwerty12Andrew Flegg17:18
lardmanthen hit send17:18
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crashanddieanyone familiar with mud-builder ?17:19
lardmanang give us the url17:19
summatusmentisI can haz link plz? kthxbai17:19
crashanddienothing out of the ordinary17:20
MangoFusionmud? what mud?17:21
crashanddieStupid_genius, that's not a bad thing, though17:21
Stupid_geniusoh isn't is?17:21
Stupid_geniusstill doesn't fix the problem :(17:22
crashanddielardman, mind if I kick in ?17:22
lardmango for it17:22
* crashanddie rolls up sleeves17:22
crashanddieStupid_genius, ok, ready ?17:22
Stupid_geniusready :D17:22
crashanddieStupid_genius, do you have access to your router ?17:22
Stupid_geniusyou mean the actual router?17:23
crashanddieok, go on the interface17:23
Stupid_geniusok you lost me...17:23
crashanddieStupid_genius, double click on your network icon in windows, bottom right17:23
crashanddieStupid_genius, go into the second tab17:24
crashanddieStupid_genius, then click details17:24
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crashanddieStupid_genius, there should be a line that says "gateway"17:24
Stupid_geniushang on i'm not responding...17:25
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* lardman feels like that too sometimes :)17:27
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Stupid_geniusok hang on while i start up the other computer17:27
lcuk_workping stupid_genius17:27
Stupid_geniusoh no!17:27
Stupid_geniusnow the other compter won't start up!!17:27
Stupid_geniuswhy do all the computers hate me :'(17:27
lardmanI've already done my good deed for the day, I'm afraid I can't help with that one! :)17:27
lcuk_workhave you confirmed you havent had a power cut :P17:27
Stupid_geniusha ha ha...17:28
Stupid_geniusarrrh.... i really hate computers today!!17:28
lcuk_worklardman, did you get the airwall installed in your tyre?17:28
crashanddieI just tried something17:28
Stupid_geniuswhere the hell has system32's hal.dll gone!?!17:29
crashanddiemy bluetooth mouse works from downstairs17:29
qwerty12hah, reminds me of a trojan I ran at school that deletes hal :P17:29
lcuk_workcrashanddie, we play wii games from the kitchen - can carry on making brews and food whilst beating the kids at golf or bowling and stuff17:30
Stupid_geniuslove the wii^^17:30
qwerty12Nah, it's a black screen from ntldr (i'd guess) saying that hal.dll is gone.17:30
crashanddielcuk_work, and say that bluetooth was supposed to be 3ft in the first rev17:30
pekujabrews eh? at home? with a game? homebrew games eh?17:30
Stupid_geniusyes!! black screen!!17:30
lardmanqwerty12: ah, early one in the process then17:30
lcuk_workpekuja, only YUV ones17:30
Stupid_geniusok i have another problem...17:31
lcuk_workhal is looooooooow level for windows.   "I'm sorry Stupid_Genius, I'm afraid you cannot boot today"17:31
Stupid_geniusthe computer that has the router access has lost it's hal...17:31
Stupid_geniuswil it boot tomorrow then :P17:32
crashanddieStupid_genius, there's only one computer that has router access ?17:32
qwerty12I think you can extract an generic apm hal.dll from the xp cd.17:32
Stupid_geniusi don't know :'(17:32
lcuk_workshove a live cd in :)17:32
crashanddieStupid_genius, ok, let's just go for it17:32
Stupid_geniusthe only one i was sure did :D17:32
crashanddieStupid_genius, open a browser (firefox, internet explorer)17:32
crashanddieStupid_genius, and type "" in the URL17:32
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crashanddieif that doesn't work, try ""17:32
qwerty12And if that fails, get out the nmap :P17:33
lcuk_workfailing that just keep incrementing numbers until you find one that works17:33
lardmancrashanddie: open cmd.exe and type "ipconfig"17:33
lardmanto get the correct subnet at least17:33
Stupid_geniusok i've got a little box for a user and password?17:33
crashanddieStupid_genius, admin admin17:33
crashanddieor admin and empty17:33
qwerty12Stupid_genius, what's the model of the router?17:33
crashanddieStupid_genius, if that fails, tell me the make of your router17:34
lcuk_workwhat if he is one of the 3 people in the world who have changed their default password?17:34
crashanddiehe's not17:34
MoRpHeUzanybody here using sbdmock ?? =)17:34
Stupid_geniusit's a netgear17:34
qwerty12oh, use admin password17:34
qwerty12user:admin password:password17:34
crashanddieuser:admin password:admin17:35
crashanddieuser:admin password:123417:35
Stupid_geniusi didn't set up the router17:35
qwerty12look on the sticker at the back then17:35
lcuk_work1234?  thats the password on my luggage17:35
summatusmentisthat's the password to my bank account!17:35
crashanddielcuk_work, you have netgear luggage ? Awesome17:35
summatusmentis>_> :-P17:35
lardmanmuhahahaha, don't bring anything expensive to Berlin then!17:36
qwerty12that's the password to my '"stash"!17:36
crashanddieuser:super password:577736417:36
summatusmentisqwerty12: share?17:36
crashanddieuser:superman password:2124103617:36
qwerty12summatusmentis, how are drug laws in your state?17:36
lardmancrashanddie: are you just making these up now...? :)17:36
crashanddielol... no17:36
summatusmentisthe one I live in? or the one I go to school in?17:36
lcuk_workqwerty12,  more importantly, what are the drug laws in your country17:37
Stupid_geniusno and no17:37
qwerty12lcuk_work, no idea, I live in some little place called Britain, what do I know!17:37
pupnikMúm, Ballad OF Broken Birdie (ruxpin remix II)  nice tune17:37
crashanddieStupid_genius, user:admin password:(nothing, leave empty)17:37
summatusmentisqwerty12: everything is illegal, save for this thing called salvia, although marijuana is semi-legalized in some states17:37
Stupid_genius:'( no17:37
crashanddieStupid_genius, well... That sucks17:37
lcuk_workStupid_genius, what are you actually trying to do?17:38
Stupid_geniusget my nokia to talk to the wlan again17:38
crashanddielcuk_work, his n810 doesn't pick up his wifi network anymore, I'm pretty sure it's because his router uses automatic channel detection17:38
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summatusmentiscrashanddie: why would that change though?17:38
lcuk_workwhen did it work and what did you change17:38
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crashanddielcuk_work, he flashed to diablo17:38
Stupid_geniusI'M A SHE!!!!17:39
crashanddiesummatusmentis, the NIT doesn't play well with that feature17:39
lcuk_workso why should he need to fuck with his router if it worked before and the only thing thats changed is the nit17:39
summatusmentislies, there are no girls on the internet17:39
qwerty12summatusmentis, so what are you doing here then?17:39
Stupid_geniusok so i'm your imaginary friend :P17:39
crashanddielcuk_work, because that's what I experienced on 3 networks that had that feature activated... Deactivate the feature and I saw the network again17:39
lardmandamn, new tyre not here until tomorrow :(17:39
summatusmentisqwerty12: only here because your mom is in the other room freshening up17:39
Stupid_geniusmaybe i should smash the router with ahammer?17:40
summatusmentisStupid_genius: then nothing will work, don't do that :)17:40
aquatixStupid_genius: was about to suggest that a few minutes ago ;)17:40
crashanddieStupid_genius, I'm starting to understand why it's so difficult to help you :-°17:40
qwerty12summatusmentis, please tell your dad not to ask for a backshot again17:40
summatusmentishaha :)17:40
lardmanqwerty12, summatusmentis: take it out to the playground!17:40
crashanddiesummatusmentis & qwerty12: that'll be enough17:40
* summatusmentis stops17:40
lcuk_workStupid_genius, does the 810 see the router connection in its list but cannot connect or is it just invisible17:41
* qwerty12 was about "take it out to the playground!" but I refrain :P17:41
crashanddielcuk_work, invisible17:41
lcuk_workcan you see any APs in this list17:41
lcuk_workaccess points17:41
lcuk_worknetworks to connect to17:41
crashanddielcuk_work, she picked up her neighbour's17:41
Stupid_geniusi did^^17:41
crashanddie... well... "it picked up"17:42
lcuk_workcan you connect to it?  cos if so !bonus, free internet17:42
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crashanddielcuk_work, notice the past tense "picked up"17:42
crashanddielcuk_work, as in "too far to be picked up all the time"17:42
lcuk_workit dumped you?17:42
crashanddielcuk_work, we don't all live in our neighbour's cupboard17:42
lcuk_workhey, i moved out since that episode.  the police were very understanding17:43
crashanddielcuk_work, read the story about the chinese girl who lived in someone's cupboard for 6 months ,17:43
crashanddie"A Japanese man who was mystified when food kept disappearing from his kitchen, set up a hidden camera and found an unknown woman living secretly in his closet, Japanese media said Friday."17:44
lcuk_worki saw, i also saw the one today about a guy who moved into a shed in england17:44
qwerty12The 57-year-old unemployed man of *Fukuoka*17:44
lcuk_workhe did gardening duties and tidied everything up17:44
summatusmentishow does one manage to get an 'unknown woman' in their house?17:44
fnordiansliptry user:=admin , password=Password17:45
crashanddiefnordianslip, capital P being the important part ?17:45
lcuk_workbut this is digressing, Stupid_genius go take your 8x0 outside and see if it can connect to anything or if diablo has royallyu fucked it up17:45
Stupid_geniuswatch your langueage :P17:45
crashanddieStupid_genius, try what fnordianslip said, capital P in Password17:45
Stupid_geniusanyways it picked up my naighours17:46
Stupid_geniusdoesn't work17:46
qwerty12Run a brute forcer on it.17:46
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crashanddieyeah, like that's going to solve problems17:46
Stupid_geniusi'm dyslexic... pick me up on my spelling and i won't be happy :(17:46
crashanddieqwerty12, that's quite the american way17:46
crashanddieStupid_genius, I live in France, guilt trip won't work on me17:47
qwerty12That's qwerty's lazy way :p17:47
Stupid_geniusooo my friend is studying in france^^17:47
crashanddiehmm, that last sentence can be interpreted in so many ways...17:47
crashanddieStupid_genius, last time someone said that, the next sentence was "maybe you know him ? His name is..."17:48
Stupid_geniusfrance is a big place :P17:48
crashanddie65M people in a country, and the dude takes a chance in hoping maybe I know him...17:48
Atariianyone got a SDK set up with the 770 kernel?17:48
Stupid_geniushey it's a small world outside of france :P17:49
* qwerty12 life would be so much easier if a description of the package was included in the dsc17:51
aquatixqwerty12: second that17:51
Stupid_geniusoh it's picked up nextdoors again17:52
Stupid_geniustwo it's picked up two!17:52
Stupid_geniusbut still not mine...17:52
qwerty12aquatix, :). I'm always opening up the control file manually to find this package is useless to me >.<17:53
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crashanddiethat's where the maps for wayfinder are hosted17:56
crashanddieNow I just need to find a way to access 'em :P17:56
* qwerty12 knows not to mess around with phoenix now, heh, my wlan chip was stuck in some state and it wouldn't properly connect to my network. I had to downgrade to the oldest firmware for N800 and then reupdate to diablo (I knew CAL/config partition would be partly rewritten :/)17:57
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trickieStupid_genius: do you have wireless-tools installed?17:57
qwerty12crashanddie, I'll try and take a look for you, ftd provides me a quick way to use tcpdump :)17:57
crashanddielcuk said: ooops ~ language - ive lost my computer could you apologise to the chan for language..17:58
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crashanddieqwerty12, I've been using tcpdump to get that IP17:58
crashanddieqwerty12, now I'm going to use wireshark over the wifi network to find better info :P17:58
qwerty12Ah, cool :P :D17:59
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crashanddielcuk said: also, get stupid to try to reboot the router17:59
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Stupid_geniusi'm looking for the plug :D17:59
qwerty12Hmm, the sun doesn't count as a sunday paper does it?17:59
Stupid_geniusbut if i do i'll go from here17:59
aquatixcrashanddie: hm, like i said 2 hours ago? :)17:59
crashanddieStupid_genius, you'll be back17:59
Stupid_geniusok i'll give it a go^^18:00
crashanddieaquatix, I'm just lcuk's proxy18:00
aquatixStupid_genius: good luck18:00
aquatixcrashanddie: ;)18:00
crashanddieStupid_genius, I know it won't work, but give it a shot, I know it's what I'm saying from the start18:00
crashanddieStupid_genius, call your hubby or whatever, and get the password to the router, and you'll be going in no time18:00
crashanddieqwerty12, tcpdump doesn't show the actual HTTP frames, does it ?18:01
aquatixshe might be timing out already18:01
* aquatix is gone for a bit; groceries18:01
qwerty12crashanddie, no idea, never used it before :)18:01
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Stupidi'm back i think^^18:03
trickiewelcome back18:03
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Stupiddidn't work though :(18:03
Stupidi think i've broken it...18:03
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crashanddiebe back in a bit18:05
crashanddienetwork sniffing, all that18:05
trickieStupid: are you up to installing wireless-tools?18:05
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Stupidon the laoptop?18:06
trickieStupid: if so you could do a "iwlist scan" to see more detailed info about the wifi networks available18:06
trickiei thought you were on a tablet... but i haven't been following18:06
Stupidit's the tablet that isn't connecting to the wlan18:07
Stupidso i'm useing my laptop here18:07
Stupidshould i try a restore??18:07
Stupidor would that not help??18:07
trickieah ok... i see18:08
trickieyou would need to get net on your tablet to install wireless-tools on it18:08
fnordianslipStupid: you said you had another computer.  perhaps the web browser on that has stored the login details for the router ?18:09
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trickiewell if you do not mind losing what is on flash on the device you could re-flash it all18:09
Stupidbut that's the problem... i can't get the net on the tablet to work18:09
trickiei know :)18:09
Stupidfnordanslip thats also a problem the hal.dll is missing to it won't boot up18:09
fnordianslipbad day then18:10
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fnordianslipso, we really need to get your NIT connected, so you can forget about those nasty Windows boxes18:12
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fnordianslipNokia Internet Tablet18:13
StupidlittleGeniyeah :D18:13
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fnordianslipback to trickie's wireless-tools plan then18:14
trickieStupidlittleGeni: you could try grabbing this on your laptop, and via usbnetworking to your tablet... copy it across and install it with dpkg:18:14
StupidlittleGeniif i knew what that was then maybe :D18:15
trickiethats wireless-tools18:15
trickiedpkg is how package management is done18:15
trickiedkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb18:15
trickiethat would install that package18:16
trickiefor example18:16
trickiethen you could use the commands outlined in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc18:16
infobottrickie meant: then you could use the commands outlinked in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc18:16
booleanquestion: how big is the debian install ?18:16
StupidlittleGeniok i've stuck in the usb lead :D18:18
trickieStupidlittleGeni: ok, ill be quick as i have to go... but here is the plan:18:19
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StupidlittleGeniwhat happened?18:20
trickiecopy the wireless-tools .deb to the tablet, either by usbnetworking (scp etc) or just sticking it on a mmc card (probably what pops up on your pc if you just stick in the cable)18:20
trickiethen on the tablet... go to the location of where you stuck it... /media/mmc1 for example18:20
trickiethen as root (thats another story) type: "dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb"18:21
trickiethen you can use iwlist to see what networks your wifi card really sees18:21
trickiei have to go, but maybe someone here can help if you get stcuk18:21
trickiestuck even18:21
trickieanyway... good luck!18:21
StupidlittleGenithanks for helping!!18:22
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booleanwhat is the diff of the wireless-tools and what comes with Diablo?18:22
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Atariiit has iwconfig and somoe other stuff18:23
booleanahh kewl18:23
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StupidlittleGeniit says incompatable aplication package....18:24
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StupidlittleGeni:'( i give up....18:24
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StupidlittleGenii'll never fix it....18:24
fnordianslippatience. it's worth more effort than the borked windows box ;-)18:26
StupidlittleGeniIT's found it!!!18:26
StupidlittleGeniI don't know how but it's found it!!!18:26
fnordianslipwill it connect ?18:26
StupidlittleGeniIt's conecting!!!18:26
StupidlittleGeniit's done it!!!!!!18:27
fnordianslip<holding breath>18:27
StupidlittleGeniThank you so muchh guys^^18:27
fnordianslipdid you do anything, or did dpkg fix it by acident?18:27
StupidlittleGenii didn't do anything!18:28
StupidlittleGeniit just all of a sudden showed up in the list!18:28
lbtdid you turn on the router?18:28
StupidlittleGeniyeah but at least it's working18:28
StupidlittleGenithe router has to be on for me to be here ;)18:28
lbtthat's what *you* think....18:29
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fnordianslipwell observed.  not so stupid.18:29
StupidlittleGenii do know a thing or two :P18:29
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StupidlittleGeniyay!! it's installing everything again!!18:30
fnordianslipmy mum phoned me up and said the 5.25inch floppy she'd put in the computer had disappeared.  i told her to get a screwdriver, take of the case and see if it was lying in the bootom of the box.  it was.18:31
fnordianslipbottom, even18:31
fnordianslipshe'd posted it through a gap between the disk drives18:31
StupidlittleGenithat's so sweet^^18:31
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StupidlittleGeniI'm not that bad ;)18:32
StupidlittleGeniit's just when things go wrong18:32
StupidlittleGenii have no idea how to fix them18:33
StupidlittleGenimy brother is a computer genius^^18:33
lcuk_workso StupidlittleGeni what did you need to do to cure your problem18:33
StupidlittleGenino idea18:33
StupidlittleGeniit just started working again18:34
StupidlittleGenisomething some one said must have had an effect^^18:34
lcuk_workdid crash ask you to reboot the router18:34
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StupidlittleGenii did reset it but it made no difference18:34
* lcuk_work cant scrollback to see18:34
lcuk_workglad its workin for you anyway18:35
StupidlittleGenime too^^18:35
* lcuk_work has forgotten what he popped home for18:35
StupidlittleGenithanks so much for helping^^18:35
lcuk_workthank them lot up there ^^18:35
Atariianyone got a link to the latest carmen screenshots?18:36
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aquatixlcuk_work: he did18:36
aquatixand i did 2 hours before that ;)18:37
aquatixStupidlittleGeni: glad it works now!18:37
qwerty12Atarii, How could you!?! I searched carmen on google images and my mom slapped me!18:37
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Atariilol qwertz18:37
StupidlittleGenime too^^18:37
aquatixqwerty12: what's your mom doing on your pc?18:38
qwerty12Atarii, Nah, anyway lo;18:38
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qwerty12aquatix, she isn't, she's behind me watching tv though :D18:38
aquatixah ;)18:38
Atariiah yes thanks qwerty12 that was the link i was looking for!18:38
* aquatix is thankful his mom doesn't live at his place18:38
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aquatixhow does carman physically interface with your car btw?18:39
aquatixah, Obd2-> bluetooth connectors for example18:40
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qwerty12Hmm, anyone ever tried compiling a 0xFFFF for windows using the windows port of libusb?18:45
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aquatixqwerty12: whuh?18:46
qwerty120xFFFF = is that free, open sourced flasher. Seeing as the windows flasher sucks, I thought it would be interesting to try out 0xFFFF in windows.18:47
qwerty12But I guess there is more to it then libusb.18:47
qwerty12than even18:47
aquatixah :)18:47
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StupidlittleGeniThanks so much again guys^^18:52
StupidlittleGeniI'm off to reinstall all my aplications!18:52
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aquatixso far for our only maemo girl18:53
GeneralAntillesNot true.18:53
aquatixah no18:54
aquatixbut i forgot her nick :/18:54
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aquatixGeneralAntilles: or are you...? ;)18:55
GeneralAntillesThere's four or five others that I can think of off-hand.18:55
GeneralAntillesNot me. ;)18:55
* aquatix apparantly doesn't follow the discussions here enough18:55
* GeneralAntilles probably follows them too much.18:55
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping/pong.18:56
* qwerty12 is surprised to see so much N800 product codes:
aquatixlocalised i'd say18:57
aquatixsomething to do with wifi frequencies too maybe?18:57
booleanlooks like localisation18:57
qwerty12The FCC and the ETSI ones for sure are to do with wifi.18:57
booleanisnt wifi in the free 2.4 GHz range ( except frans whichuses it as military band )18:58
* qwerty12 wonders if I would get arrested for taking an UK N800 over to the US :P18:58
booleandoh .. electronic frequenecy18:58
GeneralAntillesAny comments?18:59
aquatixqwerty12: i have a US n810 in the netherlands ;)19:00
qwerty12aquatix, doesn't matter ;). US N810's have less wifi channels.19:00
aquatixso that's why it was so cheap ;)19:00
||cwwifi is 2.4 and 5Ghz depend on type, and it's power limited.  over that power limit, you can get a license19:00
Atariionly 2 channels less amirite?19:01
qwerty12I'm pretty sure it's a software restriction and if cal was reversed, you could set it to etsi which would let wlancond fire up the full range of channels.19:01
aquatixqwerty12: cal?19:02
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qwerty12aquatix, /dev/mtd1 :P19:02
qwerty12Nah, it contains the settings of the N8*0 (lock code, region etc)19:02
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qwerty12(A *lot* is actually stored in there, internal partition layout etc)19:03
aquatixhm, *don't* cat that device ;)19:03
qwerty12Meh, I've even catted to it ;). But I think I need mtd-tools to write my own config files to it anyway.19:04
Atariiman duke nukem never gets old!19:05
lardman|afkHow was Stupid*'s problem fixed then?19:05
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qwerty12Magic? (seriously, none of us including Stupid* know)19:05
Atariii dont think there was a specific fix19:05
fnordianslipus radio hams can do more interesting things with wifi, like use a fair bit more power, but we can't run crypto to that limits the potential19:06
aquatixjust thinkering + some voodoo == profit!19:06
lardmanah well, at least another happy camper hey19:06
fnordianslipi mean us, not US of course19:06
aquatixfnordianslip: ah19:06
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lardmanfnordianslip: you talking about the fact that we have no access to the crypto engines on the omaps?19:07
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fnordianslipnope. radio hams can't use crypto.  someones taking it out of SSH so we can just use an authenticated channel19:07
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Capn_FishDoes anybody know what happens internally with USB host? I hacked together a cable, which works in Maemo, but not in Debian.19:07
qwerty12Tried setting the mode manually?19:08
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Capn_FishHow? I connected the OTG pin to ground, I thought that was supposed to force host mode?19:09
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pope523I'm having trouble flashing my N800. I connected the USB cable to my PC (Vista), turned on the N800, the USB icon comes on the N800 screen for a moment and then disappears and it continues booting. Can someone help me figure out what's wrong?19:09
* GeneralAntilles sighs @ more itT stupidity.19:09
Atariipope523 hold down the home key19:10
Atariiwith the power key19:10
pope523When I'm turning it on?19:10
Capn_FishAtarii: I always just had the flasher running, and that caught it :P19:10
qwerty12Capn_Fish, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode19:10
Atariilucky :p19:11
pope523Atari: Super, thanks :)19:11
Capn_Fishqwerty12: I'll try that now19:11
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Capn_Fishqwerty12: Nothing. :(19:14
AtariiCapn_Fish has you enabled usb-host-mode using the linux flasher?19:14
qwerty12:(. I'm not sure whether it's the kernel or ke-recv that provides automatic switching.19:14
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qwerty12Atarii, doesn't need to be done for N8*019:15
Capn_FishThat's good :)19:15
Atariiah my bad19:15
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Capn_FishI'm not even getting stuff from dmesg19:15
Capn_FishHeck, the mouse's LED isn't even coming on19:15
Capn_FishSo there's not even power19:16
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jottgna.. garage.m.o connection problems again..19:24
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dmsupermanI've installed the account-plugin-haze plugin and added AIM, YIM, and MSN accounts to it. However, it hasn't downloaded any of my contacts. How can I get it to download my contacts?19:28
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qwerty12muhahaha, so you came through with the stuff :)19:44
* qwerty12 wonders if the S60 maps would work19:44
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crashanddienow, only find a way to retrieve said files and put them in the NIT19:46
crashanddieqwerty12, wireshark is awesome :P19:46
qwerty12I opened my tcpdump into wireshark too but gave up :P :)19:46
crashanddieqwerty12, I just launched wireshark from my computer19:47
crashanddieand sniffed the whole network19:47
qwerty12Hah :)19:47
qwerty12Just out of question, isn't the built in downloader of maps working for you?19:48
crashanddiefails everytime19:48
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crashanddieI had to try 6 different times to get the UK one19:48
crashanddieand now I can't get France anymore19:48
crashanddietried at least 30 times19:48
crashanddiefails everytime19:48
crashanddieand yeah well, I kinda need france :P19:49
crashanddiehow ironic that may seem19:49
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* Prez00_ is very happt with Diablo, finally tablet is very usable..19:50
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lcuk_worklardman, have you seen the mail19:58
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crashanddiegranted, that only works for France atm20:00
qwerty12crashanddie, ooh, v.nice work. Maybe I'll end up getting the French maps soon :)20:00
crashanddieI might modify the script to support all maps20:00
crashanddieI'm testing if it actually works now :D20:00
cjohnsonI've installed the account-plugin-haze package and added some YIM, AIM, and MSN accounts to the RTCOMM application. However, none of these accounts have downloaded the contacts from the server. It can allow me to chat, and when people send me messages I receive them. What must I do to get my contacts working?20:01
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Atariicjohnson what device/OS are you on?20:02
darkterror46bye bye :-20:03
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cjohnsonAtarii, OS2008 chinook N80020:03
Atariiim having the exact same problem with 2008HE20:04
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cjohnsonwhat's HE20:07
Atariihacker edition20:07
Atariiits for the 77020:07
Atariii hadn't heard of anyone having this problem before, so i was just going to copy over my contacts from the computer, but maybe we are doing something wrong if it is now commonly-occuring20:08
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping and usuk. :P20:09
cjohnsonAtarii, perhaps20:09
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cjohnsonAtarii, I was reading when the package first released that people had issues with just MSN, but that if you waited a day or so it'd show up20:10
cjohnsonAtarii, but I've now waited 3, and it's not just MSN, so I think it's more than that20:10
cjohnsonAtarii, Shall we submit a bug report where necessary?20:10
Atariiah, well ive only tried msn, so maybe i should have waited longer20:10
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Atariii didnt submit a bug previously, due to HE being non-supported, but it may be worth you submitting one20:11
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GeneralAntillesNot unless you're running the full rtcomm beta.20:11
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cjohnsonHow can I check that?20:12
GeneralAntillesYou aren't.20:12
cjohnsonSo then there's nothing I can do to get my contacts?20:12
GeneralAntillesIt's this:
GeneralAntillesI don't know20:12
GeneralAntillesThey loaded fine for me with the Collabora approach.20:12
cjohnsonThat's what I used20:13
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crashanddieqwerty12, I missed something20:20
crashanddieqwerty12, Map doesn't recognise what I downloaded20:20
crashanddieand I didn't get everything, I only have 215MB instead of 296 ...20:21
qwerty12Hmm, the structure of the maps folder is quite complex tbh20:21
crashanddieWell, there's one thing that bothers me20:21
crashanddieyou know, this file:
qwerty12That file = map.lst20:22
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crashanddiethe first column is the name of the map, second is an identifier of some sort, that goes in the URL to download it, then there's the size (in bytes), then some other int I haven't been able to identify, and then the map version20:22
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crashanddieeach row is separated by a space, each column separated by a semicolon20:23
crashanddiebut see, the link I've used to download the french map20:23
crashanddieif I replace the identifier, and the end of mapdata_20:24
crashanddieI get a 404 and get redirected20:24
crashanddiealso, I don't know where the POI files come from20:25
qwerty12But you need to change the 7ba string too20:25
qwerty127ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80 = France20:25
crashanddieyeah, I changed that20:25
qwerty12Sorry, my bad.20:25
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crashanddieok, I'm going wireshark a bit more, trying to get more info20:26
crashanddieI'll try a few downloads, especially the small ones :D20:26
qwerty12Luxembourg! :P20:26
crashanddieand see if I can get more information out of it20:26
crashanddienha, that's part of Benelux20:26
crashanddieso it's belgium+luxemburg+netherlands20:26
qwerty12Ah :)20:27
crashanddiesingapore :D 1MB20:27
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khertanHi !20:27
khertanHum i ve found something interesting ...20:27
VeggenHmm. Anyone tried Maemo mappe with OSM lately?20:27
VeggenMy OSM maps are suddenly off by a magnitude of several 100 m.20:28
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etrunkoanyone knows the guys responsible for mogg ??20:29
etrunkodo they use IRC?20:29
jotti think kulve works on it but not sure20:30
etrunkojott: kulve is the ogg-support guy20:30
jottyeah that's what i had in mind ;)20:31
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etrunkokulve: any chance of uploading your packages to maemo extras?20:31
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X-FadeGo etrunko, go etrunko!20:32
etrunkoor even working together with the mogg guys to provide the same base libraries, such as vorbisidec, theora and so20:32
etrunkoX-Fade: are you ignoring us in #canola?20:32
X-Fadeetrunko: Sorry, had some disconnects on my IRC box.20:32
jotthah now all your spare time is gone X-Fade :)20:33
etrunkoX-Fade: don't worry... MoRpHeUz is having bad dreams with sbdmock and scratchbox together20:33
etrunkokind of a unstable mixture20:33
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Did you see the wiki skin? ;)20:33
GeneralAntillesYeah, looks hot.20:33
X-Fadeetrunko: Heh, well we are having some unexplained problems in sbdmock every now and again. Ed is working with the sbdmock author to work things out.20:34
GeneralAntillesThink it would be worthwhile to switch mediawiki's page/discussion/edit/history bar to the style of the subbar on the front page?20:34
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yeah, I hesitated a bit when doing that.20:35
etrunkoX-Fade: i see... and as Ed is on holidays atm, things may be stalled20:35
GeneralAntillesYeah, there's something to keeping the mediawiki style for that. . . .20:35
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: As it then will take in a bit more space.20:35
X-Fadeetrunko: Yep, but he deserved a break ;)20:36
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etrunkohe helped on the first maemo-efl scripts a lot20:36
X-Fadeetrunko: He did all that work in his spare time.20:36
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X-FadeAnd while doing that also ported a big number of packages!20:37
etrunkotest cases20:37
etrunkook... so lightmediascanner won't suppor ogg for diablo at this momment20:37
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X-Fadeetrunko: There is now an incoming-nonfree queue for diablo only. So you can upload your closed packages there.20:38
etrunkoX-Fade: great, any special configuration?20:39
X-Fadeetrunko: Just take your extras chinook config and replace chinook -> diablo and change incoming -> incoming-nonfree20:40
Stskeepsneat, bme-dbus-proxy transfers 1:1 to debian20:40
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X-Fadeetrunko: And ping me when the files are there, because I need to run the queuemanager manually the first time ;)20:40
X-FadeI have to make sure I didn't corrupt the repository afterwards..20:41
etrunkoX-Fade: you bet i will20:41
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Do you think that adding nofollow to our links on the wiki will help lowering the spam?20:45
lcukit will help to disuade future spammers20:45
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sjgadsbyHuh. Midgard is demanding net.nemein.registrations:manage privilege for the Maemo Summit registration form now.20:45
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X-Fadesjgadsby: For a new registration?20:46
lcukwhether or not the current ones who have written a program and have uson their list will stop is another question20:46
sjgadsbyX-Fade to see the form at all.20:46
crashanddie_qwerty is gone ?20:46
lcukX-Fade, it would be even better to get the ips20:46
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, probably a bit.20:46
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crashanddie_lcuk, mind doing something for me ?20:47
sjgadsbyX-Fade: "Free registration" link on
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crashanddie_lcuk, try to access:
lcuki can try20:47
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you see the preview I have up?20:47
GeneralAntillesHappen to have a logo for me yet? :P20:47
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lcukcrashanddie_, yes it downloaded.  GeneralAntilles no i havent seen yet20:48
crashanddie_lcuk, you got the file ?20:48
lcukdo i need to do a svn download thing or is it up somewhere20:48
lcukyes 11.7 KB (12,071 bytes)20:48
X-Fadesjgadsby: Hmm let me see if i have an unprived account.20:48
X-Fadesjgadsby: Hmm it works for my test user, I'll check if something is wrong with your account.20:50
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sjgadsbyX-Fade: Ah, could it be because I've already submitted a registration? I wanted to revisit the form to see if I missed anything.20:51
X-Fadesjgadsby: That is probably it. You aren't allowed to edit.20:51
sjgadsbyX-Fade: Ah, I understand. I apologize for crying wolf.20:52
X-FadeHeh, I'm amazed by some people asking sponsorship and filling in no other fields at all ;)20:52
Jaffacrashanddie_: pong20:53
Jaffacrashanddie_: *used* to live in Macclesfield. Now in Rugby20:53
X-Fadesjgadsby: It seems you need to travel quite some distance to get there btw :)20:53
crashanddie_Jaffa, oh, hi :)20:54
sjgadsbyX-Fade: Yes. I'm not sure what I have to offer either, but Quim asked me to apply...20:54
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GeneralAntillesBoF on bugzilla statistics!20:56
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Did you see Misha's hint about a bugzilla plugin for the wiki :D20:57
GeneralAntillesNo, where?20:57
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Tsk tsk, not tracking recentchanges enough ;)20:57
crashanddie_Jaffa, got my PM ?20:57
GeneralAntillessjgadsby, you'll like this. ^20:59
sjgadsbyI'm looking at it now.20:59
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JaffaNot that I can see. But I /was/ at work. Well, company meeting:
GeneralAntillesMight be a potential response to this: :\21:00
sjgadsbyHa! I don't know what Mutiny32's looking for.21:01
GeneralAntillesAnother wonder itT rant.21:01
GeneralAntillesI'd take GNOME's overview stuff, though.21:01
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sjgadsbyHow can 2,937 clickable keywords be better than a keyword search?21:01
GeneralAntillesI don't know21:01
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure how he figures Launchpad is better than Bugzilla, either.21:02
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, this is fantastic.21:02
sjgadsbyThis Bugzilla Reports MediaWiki things looks niiiice, though.21:02
crashanddie_Jaffa, hang on21:02
GeneralAntillesThink you could get ferenc to install that yesterday? :D21:02
crashanddie_Jaffa, mind if I PM you ?21:03
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Nope, no way.21:03
Jaffacrashanddie_: feel free, just about to eat tho' so I might be absent for an hour or so21:03
crashanddie_Jaffa, same here21:03
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: But I can send him a mail to ask ;)21:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: WTF? That rant starts on about bug trackers, then password protected repos, then the A-GPS app, then broken packages.21:04
GeneralAntillesPretty nutty, right?21:04
crashanddie_which rant ?21:05
* Jaffa resists responding to "I chose to be clear and concise" with "Well, you missed that by a mile, huh?" since he's had a few drinks already.21:05
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crashanddie_That guy is an idiot, right ?21:07
crashanddie_"why doesn't the package manager manage dependencies ?" It does... It just doesn't tell you it does21:08
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GeneralAntillesIt does, it just doesn't manage idiots.21:08
lbtso I've just spent an hour debugging about 200 lines of C++ - widgets responded to events the first time, not the second.... look at line 14 :
lbtand, of course, no syntax error because the class I'm in has an add() member....21:09
lbtI now deserve alcohol and food21:10
Jaffalbt: ouch21:10
lbtJaffa: yup21:10
lbtnice to spot it though....21:11
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I have asked Ferenc to install it.21:12
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, sometimes I ask myself how you do it to keep your cool towards such trolls21:15
crashanddie_anyway, food time, cheers21:15
GeneralAntillescrashanddie_, when I don't keep my cool it ends badly. ;)21:15
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GeneralAntillesYou should see some of the epic threads technut and I had.21:15
sjgadsbyHeh. Even when you do keep cool, GeneralAntilles, they all too often take offense.21:16
GeneralAntillesThere's no winning either way. ;)21:16
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zapAnybody knows why Nokia's volume statusbar applet does not allow to set the volume to max?21:17
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zapWith aumix-gtk you can set about 7% louder volume21:18
lcukzap - mine works well.  it goes all the way to 1121:18
zapyours == ?21:18
zap12 levels?21:18
glassspinal tap reference21:18
GeneralAntillesAh, CSS rendering bugs.21:18
lcukzap, read up about spinal tap and amplifiers21:18
GeneralAntillesWill they ever get it right? <_<21:18
zaplcuk: I don't get it21:19
lcukwatch that then21:19
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summatusmentisDoes anyone have any experience with the gps actually working? even with agps is seems like it takes forever to lock21:19
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summatusmentisis there a way to use a cell phone for agps location finding?21:20
lcuksummatusmentis, where abouts are you in the world21:20
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summatusmentislcuk: currently? or in general?21:20
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lcukand what sort of city do you live in and how long does it take to lock21:20
summatusmentisI'm in the US, roughly the midwest right now21:20
lcukin general21:20
zapwatched the joke, and still I don't get why Nokia's volume control goes up to 10, while aumix gives you the whole 12 :)21:21
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Did you install agps-ui?21:21
summatusmentiswhen I tried it in Maine(where I'm at in the summer), I'm in a rural area, and it took 10+ minutes21:21
summatusmentisX-Fade: yes21:21
zapI have high-impendance headsets, thats why I need more21:21
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Then how could you miss the cellphone option ;)21:21
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summatusmentisX-Fade: seriously? Where?21:22
zapin agps settings21:22
lcukzap, not sure - different software stacks originally.  is aumix a standard 8x0 component?21:23
X-Fadesummatusmentis: settings-> 'Allow packet data' and set your connection to your phone.21:23
zapof course not, it's an ALSA mixer21:23
lcukthen thats why one has 12 and the other 1021:23
zapit just shows you what's exposed through ALSA interface21:23
lcukas for high impedence, you might need a line amp or something21:23
summatusmentisX-Fade: I assume my phone would need to be connected via bt or some such thing for the connection to be showing up?21:23
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Sure, how else ;)21:24
zaplcuk: well they don't have THAT much impendance :)21:24
zapbut I'd prefer them a little louder, esp. in metro21:24
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lcukbut if the maximum available volume is not enough for you and you have everything at maximum then i dont see what else you can do other than try alternative headphones21:24
summatusmentisX-Fade: I'm not getting my phone to show up21:25
zaplcuk: with aumix I get enough volume21:25
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X-Fadesummatusmentis: Can you connect to the internet via your phone?21:25
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summatusmentisX-Fade: yes21:25
X-Fadesummatusmentis: What do you see in settings inside a-gps beta?21:26
summatusmentisA-GPS support: [box] \n Allow Packetdata: [box] \n Preferred connection: [drop menu]21:27
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X-Fadesummatusmentis: Well, select your connection for your phone and done ;)21:27
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X-Fadesummatusmentis: Oh, don't tell me. You are using a phone that uses PAN.21:28
summatusmentisX-Fade: the connection box is small, and doesn't actually drop down to anything?21:28
summatusmentisno, DUN21:28
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Is your phone connection available in the global connectivity settings?21:29
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X-Fadesummatusmentis: And does it have this phone icon with the 3 arcs abljt21:29
X-Fade*above it..21:29
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lcukback later - GeneralAntilles thanks ill speak later21:31
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X-Fadesummatusmentis: I see my 3 connections for my 3 simcards in agps-ui without problems.21:32
summatusmentisX-Fade: is it possble my CDMA phone is the issue?21:32
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Did you create the phone connections with the wizard? Or manually?21:32
GeneralAntilleslcuk, think I fixed it21:32
GeneralAntillesSee yah.21:32
summatusmentisX-Fade: w/ the wizard21:33
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Same here ;)21:33
X-Fadesummatusmentis: Well, then I'm out of options..21:33
X-Fadesummatusmentis: You did reboot at least once after install, right?21:34
summatusmentisof a-gps-ui? I'm sure I have21:34
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, for the change log character limit, how does 1200 sound?21:35
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Insane?21:35
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: What about: <Insert link to complete changelog here> :)21:36
GeneralAntillesI'm thinking 400 sounds insane. :P21:36
GeneralAntillesOK, 800?21:36
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I want to prevent somebody adding 20 lines or more?21:36
GeneralAntillesOK, well, this is right on the edge of 400:
GeneralAntillesTwice that wont hurt anybody21:37
X-FadeI'm not sure if it will clutter it more..21:37
GeneralAntillesCould you bounce the "Links" section over to the side, maybe?21:37
GeneralAntillesThere's a lot of whitespace available on the right.21:38
X-FadeYeah, true. That list isn't that long ;)21:38
* GeneralAntilles should probably change the screenshot ordering.21:38
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Good luck ;)21:39
GeneralAntillesWhen are the server upgrades coming again? <_< :P21:39
* X-Fade pokes GeneralAntilles with a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sharp stick ;)21:40
GeneralAntillesStupid Finnish holidays.21:40
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: 800 it is now.21:41
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Try that ;)21:41
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: We can always increase the number when we see problems.21:41
GeneralAntilles~lart Midgard's stupid floating toolbar.21:43
* infobot smacks Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. up side the head with a clue-by-421:43
lardmanlcuk: mail?21:44
X-FadeOk, I'm out of here.. Have a good weekend ;)21:45
GeneralAntillesBye, X-Fade.21:45
zapAh, advanced backlight changes volume as well21:46
zapmust try it, maybe it also allows volume up to eleven21:46
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jottzap: if not, it should be possible to implement this.21:50
jottmaybe tell us what you did to maximize it in particular21:51
khertanpython2.5 buildpackage --source-only21:52
khertanoups ww21:52
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zapjott: what audio interface are you using to set the volume?21:54
zapgstreamer or alsa or oss?21:54
jottzap: currently gconf21:56
zapperhaps this is a limitation of whatever daemon reads the setting then21:56
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jotti guess so21:56
zapor perhaps you can set it more than 12 in gconf, and it'll work, this has to be tried21:57
jottbut we could still work around this ;)21:57
khertanpython2.5 --auto-upload-source21:57
khertanarg ...21:57
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zapyes, max in advanced backlight control is still 93 in aumix21:57
jottzap: yeah you can just set it /apps/osso/sound/master_volume21:58
* zap installs gconf21:58
jottmaybe try to set it via gconftool-2 and tell us if it works21:58
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zapoops, no gconf-editor for diablo21:58
jottgconftool-2 :)21:59
jotttui not gui ;)21:59
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zapcli not tui :)22:00
jottyou are right ;)22:01
jottwell spartanic tui :P22:01
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zapalas, 100 is still 9322:01
GeneralAntillesJust pull the one from Chinook. . . .22:01
jottset it to 120% ?22:01
zapand 110 is still 9322:01
zapand 200 is 93 as well :)22:01
zapwhat daemon is reading it?22:01
jottgood question22:02
zapit's either intentional, or a bug22:02
jottwould be nice if you could find out what polls the gconf value :)22:03
zaphehe :) I'll try22:03
zapbtw, screen rotation has no penalty?22:03
zapit's multimediad22:04
jottnot really, no. some dialogs are broken when rotated22:04
jottbut other than that there are no known side-effects afaik..22:04
GeneralAntillesSkype is, awesomely, hardcoded for 800x48022:04
zapah, so it's software rotation?22:04
jottno it's hardware rotation22:05
* zap wonders how one could hardcode resolution with gtk22:05
GeneralAntilleszap, dunno, talk to the Skype guys. :D22:05
jottbut some apps/dialogs are just... well broken ;)22:05
GeneralAntillesThe Application menu is broken.22:05
zaptoo large?22:05
GeneralAntillesWidth is frequently more than 480px22:05
zapI see22:06
jottjust give it a try.. it has some nice use cases ;)22:06
GeneralAntillesSo the right side of the dialog/menu/whatever is off the screen.22:06
zapwhat about SDL apps?22:06
jottsdl apps will think it's a 480x800 display22:07
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* jott starts fighting gtk theme drawing internals again...22:08
qosjott, hey wanna take a look on the new theme for the advanced applet?22:09
zapUnfortunately, no source for multimediad22:10
zapand it's not even in maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries-4.122:11
qosjott, screenshot or the theme itself?22:11
jottqos: both is fine i guess22:11
qosjott, this will take a moment22:11
jottzap: !#*$%22:11
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qosjott, whats your email?22:11
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zapmultimediad sets volume through /dev/dsptask/audiopp22:17
jottah interesting22:17
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khertanHi !22:19
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khertanHow time does it take after an upload to the extra builder after an upload extras-assistant to see a result in the mailing list extras-cauldron-builds ?22:23
GeneralAntilles30-minutes-ish, maybe?22:23
Jaffakhertan: usually a few minutes if everything's working well. There'll be a folder created in the output dir as soon as it starts being processed22:24
* Jaffa has never had it take 30 mins unless something was broken.22:24
khertanok thx22:24
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khertanW: homeip: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/lib/hildon-desktop/homeip.py22:32
khertanW: homeip: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate22:32
khertanW: homeip: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly22:32
khertanE: homeip: extended-description-is-empty22:32
khertanW: homeip: new-package-should-close-itp-bug22:32
khertanoups wrong windows22:32
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khertanFirst step out !22:44
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Makeghohmmh, something wrong with this skype. My friend can hear me but I can't hear him, when he's calling. When I'm calling, he answers the call but for me it's still just displaying "calling.. *ring ring*" or so :)22:46
zapkhertan: cool, will the new version have a transparent option? :-))22:46
khertantransparent option22:47
khertanhey it s HomeIP ...22:47
khertannot IPHome :)22:47
zapah :)22:47
khertanHomeIP have still the start transparency :)22:47
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khertanhum update of maemo-wordpy and it s delete again config file... arg22:49
yergahey khertan, sorry for it :)22:50
yergait's the last time22:50
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yigalwhat repository should I use to install canola2 using diablo?22:53
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GeneralAntillesChinook Extras22:54
GeneralAntillesThough it'll probably be in real Extras in a week or so.22:54
yigalGeneralAntilles: there is a problem with the package I installed, in that it didn't have text,icons menus etc. totally broken is this to be expected in one of the repos.?22:55
GeneralAntillesUh, I think it's from pulling something out of a development repo22:55
GeneralAntillesProbably from Extra-devel.22:55
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GeneralAntillesYou could probably do a Canola-clean, disable Extras-devel, reinstall from Chinook Extras and reenable Extras-devel.22:56
yigalOk, will look at what repos. I'm actually using and go with your advice, this is good to hear and I'll try this22:56
khertanyerga: hum you are the dev ?22:56
khertando u use a sqllite db ?22:56
khertanto store prefs ?22:57
JaffaGeneralAntilles: blimey - ITT has an RDF like Steve Jobs: is down ? or does there is a limit to use extra-assistant ( :) ) ?22:57
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, sarcasm alert. :P22:58
yergakhertan, yes I am, it uses the configparser module not sqlite22:58
khertanah ok ... never use it ;)22:58
yergabut next version it will use gconf22:59
JaffaGeneralAntilles: fair enuf, I am knackered :-)22:59
GeneralAntillesDon't code drunk.22:59
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khertannever use it too :)23:00
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khertani store prefs in sqlite db when i use one :)23:00
khertanor worse a serialized python object ;à23:00
khertangconf remember me windows registry ....23:01
khertanthis horrible registry23:01
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* Jaffa TVs23:13
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GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, has been slow for the last year. :P23:35
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: only the last year ;)23:36
GeneralAntillesServer upgrades are imminent. . . .23:37
GeneralAntillesBe sure to bug X-Fade about them. :D23:37
JamieBennettlets hope so23:37
GeneralAntillesNo, really.23:37
GeneralAntillesNext month or so23:37
GeneralAntillesWhenever the Finns get back from vacation.23:37
JamieBennettah good, is a pig to navigate at times23:38
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GNUtonHi there23:38
GNUtonhi jott!23:38
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jotthello GNUton23:53
GNUtonhey jott:)23:54
GNUtonjott: how are you?23:54
jottjust made some food.. and still playing around with QGtkStyle ;)23:54
GNUton:) great I´m in my bad.. I´m very tired.. but I read your mail...23:55
jottyeah just read your reply23:55
jottany comments on this:
jottregarding MAEMO_CHANGES ?23:55
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Makeghodoes anyone else think that the chess game is a bit too hard in easy mode? ;)23:56
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GNUtonno I´m thinking how can be resolved the  problem of the light..23:56
Makeghois there a super easy mode somehow, for those who have played only some years?23:57
jottGNUton: one way would introduce MAEMO_CHANGES in QGtkStyle ;)23:57
jottnot sure what jens thinks about this..23:58
jotti'm from berlin/germany btw ;)23:58
jottGNUton: will you be at the summit?23:59
jottwould be a nice place/time to show the state of qt4 on maemo..23:59
GNUtonI don´t know yet, probably..23:59
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