IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-07-09

jottlcuk: at least it's in the c-base so you can grab a beer before your talk ;)00:00
lcukheh jott, i need one after last time00:00
* lcuk facepalms00:00
GeneralAntillestimelyx, is mildly interesting if you haven't already picked up on it.00:00
lcukright, vanishing again.  theres codin' to be done00:01
qwerty12I still can't get over that suggested fix.00:01
GeneralAntillesYeah, interesting approach. . . .00:02
qwerty12(fix in the loosest sense of the word)00:02
JamieBennettlove the bug title ;)00:05
qwerty12I like how mc shortens down folder names. ~/.background-cache becomes /.back-ache (which isn't far from the truth actually :( )00:05
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GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, thanks. ;)00:05
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qwerty12I'd be scared if my tablet could walk :/00:06
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* Jaffa finally watches "Blue Harvest"00:07
JamieBennettjaffa: thanks for the email :)00:08
Jaffano probs. travel sorted too now; arriving Berlin at about 20:1000:08
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JamieBennettTrying to get the whole week in Berlin sponsored by my company as its relevant to what I do but its a bit of a struggle. If not I'll be there for the summit only unless Nokia have a deal with OSim for use to attend that too.00:10
Jaffafairy snuff00:12
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Andy80hi all00:12
JamieBennettor furry muff as we apparently say down here (I'm a Northerner lost down South)00:12
qwerty12yay, i'm not the only one :p00:13
JaffaAlthough, Rugby's not that far south - I only have to suffer work in London00:13
qwerty12(yorkshire man in london)00:13
JamieBennettSo where is the UK contingent from here?00:13
JaffaMacclesfield (nr. Manchester00:14
JamieBennettqwerty an fellow Yorkshire man, I''m a Bradford lad 'born and bred'00:14
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qwerty12hey, i'm from Halifax, born there but  got moved to London at 2 years of age >.<00:15
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qwerty12still got a very slight Yorkshire accent though :D00:16
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JamieBennettI moved to Bath some 8 years ago. When I travel back to see friends and family I'm regarded as 'the posh one' :D00:17
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qwerty12Lol :D00:17
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JamieBennettMy wife is from Bath and when I first took her to Bradford she always used to wisper in my ear "what did her/she just say?"00:18
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JamieBennettmy typing is terrible tonight!00:19
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qwerty12Haha, come on, our accent isn't that bad! :p00:20
JamieBennettI swear, it was like taking the mrs to another country and trying to translate for her!00:20
JamieBennettI'm glad I wasn't Scottish! ;)00:21
qwerty12Haha, my Scottish Science teacher gets laughed at when shouting at people :p00:21
qwerty12Gets him more annoyed, heh00:22
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* JamieBennett Thinks about sleep too00:23
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hellwolfIs the source code of the bootloader of N800( called FIASCO?) available?00:34
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GeneralAntillesBootloader is NOLO00:36
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hellwolfWell, I got the idea of how the kernel get the mtd partition information, as I dug into the code, it's passed by the bootloader as special tags(boot parameter for arm linux). So I wonder how could I change the bootloader behavior if I want to change partition layout.00:38
hellwolfGeneralAntilles, thanks, so what does FIASCO mean? With ./flasher-3.0, I got something like : --fiasco, -F <arg>            Location of a FIASCO image00:40
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JZAhi can the n800 run crond?00:40
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JZAanyone here?00:47
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Tobanot now and not ever00:48
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johnxJZA, yes, it can. do you have scratchbox to build packages?00:51
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JZAjohnx: no, I thought that there was some technical reason why there was no crond on iit00:52
JZAorr at or any tiime-aware app, by chikoroot they had  alarmd so I guess they fix something00:52
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JZAso I guess the answer is nobody has done it yet00:53
JZAjohnx: second question00:53
JZAwould diablo run on n770?00:53
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||cwJZA: is there an ARM port?00:55
JZA||cw: I see, so the reason is because they are different processors... see I didn't know that00:55
JZAi thought n800 used the ARM too00:55
lardmanthe hw is different, if not the processor00:56
johnxJZA, I've compiled cron before...I can send you a package if you trust me :)00:56
lardmanand the 770 is slower00:56
johnxbut it apparently tends to hurt battery life00:56
johnxwaking up the CPU all the time just to check whether it should be run00:56
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||cwoh, if it runs in the 800, it will just need recompiled, it is a different ABI, but it's all still ARM00:56
JZAlardman so changing to diablo is not recomendable?00:56
johnx||cw, it's the same ABI as long as it's EABI00:56
JZA||cw: oh ok.00:56
lardmanJZA: is it possible? Is there a "hackers' edition" for the 770?00:57
JZAjohnx: E stand for estatic?00:57
JZAlardman: there certainly was00:57
||cwdoesn't maemo have an alarm api in the platform where the firmware itself does the event?00:57
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lardmanJZA: for chinook yes, not sure there's a Diablo version yet though00:57
JZAlardman I see00:58
johnxJZA, I don't actually remember what it stands for, but google for ARM EABI for info00:58
lardman||cw: the firmware isn't that bright, it will be the kernel that does it00:58
lardman||cw: and the omap doesn't have a very long timer iirc00:58
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JZAwell thanks for theinfo, I now know more about whats up01:00
zapJZA: I think it should be possible to use Debian crond for armel architecture01:00
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lcuklardman, i thought it was endianness01:01
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johnxzap, it is possible. I used mud-builder to compile cron with only a tiny change to the source package01:01
lardmanlcuk: what is?01:01
zapjohnx: I was meaning to use the binary packages, without recompile01:02
lardmanThat's the calling structure, which registers are used for which args, etc01:02
lcuki just took it that this device used it and it was incompatible with compilations for ARM because of endian issues01:02
* lcuk shouldnt make assumptions01:02
lardmanno, all ARM devices that I know of use littleendian01:03
lardmanwhich isn't many, but the Zaurus and ITs at least01:03
lcukty for clarifcation. i feel silly now01:03
lardmandon't worry, I feel silly a lot of the time too :)01:03
lcukshame i cant have a sig in here01:04
zaplardman: ARM PocketPCs all are little-endian01:04
lcukmy slash one is bang on01:04
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johnxzap, actually there was a packaging issue. Debian postinst relies on some grep feature I believe that isn't present in busybox grep or something similar.01:04
zaplardman: I believe that's because windoz is a little-endian OS01:04
lardmanzap: great, my all encompassing statement was nearly true :)01:04
johnxsome routers and networked hard drives running linux are big-endian01:05
johnxthe NSLU2 comes to mind, IIRC01:05
lardmanmost things are little endian aren't they (even if they can be either like the ARMs), probably familiarity01:05
johnxbut it might be switchable (?)01:05
lardmanjohnx: is that ARM?01:05
zapjohnx: yep, the limitations of busybox tools always disappointed me01:05
lardmanhmm, interesting, I wonder why they chose bigendian?01:06
johnxzap, in this case a trivial modification solves the problem01:06
zapAsus WL-XXX wifi routers are little-endian ARM as well01:06
zapoops, MIPS01:06
johnxbusybox is limited but it's also really small01:06
zapjohnx: I understand the reasons why Nokia used it, but I would like to have at least the option to replace it with coreutils :)01:07
johnxyeah, not being replaceable is a pain01:07
zapon the other hand, such developers will start producing incompatible packages01:07
johnxespecially since angstrom solved that problem long ago01:07
lardmanHow do I produce one of those banners in the GUI?01:08
zapand you are right, at least on PXA endianess is switchable in software, IIRC01:08
lcukis the nokia linux experience on par with the zaurus devices?  speed wise and capabilities - or are nokia still lagging, or at least not advanced as much as expected?01:08
lardmanzap: at boot time though01:08
zaplardman: which exactly01:08
lardmanthe ones which come up and say "searching..." and the like01:08
zaptooltips, ugh01:09
johnxlcuk, the zaurus was a different beast for a lot of reasons. Sharp didn't really maintain and update the OS they shipped, so the community contributed a couple competing distributions01:09
GeneralAntillesAny German speakers want to give me a rundown on what's covered here?
lcukgen, is that the quim interview01:10
lcukvery brief overview on itt
JZAlardman sorry back, well back in the N770 days, we used to use the slackarm repos to install stuff01:10
zapjohnx: also Sharp 'forgot' to provide the source code for a couple of important drivers, which stuck most usable distributions to 2.4.18 & 2.4.20 kernels01:10
GeneralAntillesYeah, I'd like another source other than benny.01:10
lcukyer, just helping others out as well01:10
JZAlardman I wonder why we lost NFS when we change from N770 to N800 also Xvnc (vncserver)01:10
GeneralAntillesRight, thanks. ;)01:10
lardmanJZA: yep, the ABI has changed, you could use OE + bitbake now if you wanted01:10
lardmanJZA: developers drifted away probably01:11
lardmanGeneralAntilles: be gentle01:11
zaphow we lost NFS?01:11
JZAzap well we used to have an nfs-server and now we don't01:12
zap(if NFS is network file system, not need for speed, that is)01:12
zapdo we really need it?01:12
johnxanyways, headed to sleep01:12
* zap is happy with nfs client on n8xx01:12
lcukspeed? hell yeah01:12
johnx'night all01:12
lcuknight johnx01:12
JZAzap of course, I love to stream my media from the server01:12
lardmannight johnx01:12
JZAzap nfs was IT without latency01:12
zapJZA: do you need NFS server for that?01:12
lardmanzap: no not tooltips, the messages on maemo01:12
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, Nokia Internet Tablets might soon use Qt said Quim Gil from Nokia to WebStandard, when talking about future possibilities and possibly a community opening01:13
JZAzap I do if i dont want latency01:13
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, my german is rusty, at best01:13
JZAperformance was much better01:13
zaplardman: I had the impression those are tooltip objects, just anchored to statusbar01:13
JZAzap much better than http or samba, I think because the buffer01:13
zapJZA: still, I don't see how you would use NFS server on N8xx to *read* data from your server01:13
lardmanzap: oh, they might be, I'll do a search (I just want some easy debugging output)01:13
zaplardman: use printf, man :)01:14
JZAzap I mount the server folder and execute the video from the n800 and have all my movies straight away... I migrate to mediaserv now but still I dont want to download it to the n800 I just want it to play01:14
lardmanIf I have to do GUI, I want GUI debugging output! ;)01:14
zapJZA: so you actually want the NFS client, not server?01:15
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JZAzap sure of course I could sync my folders through nfs but really I can do that with rsync01:16
* zap is lost01:16
zapwhat has syncing to do with listening to your media over network?01:17
JZAzap of course I didnt needed the nfs server01:17
zapok then, what stops you from using nfs client today?01:17
crashanddiecould you please use some kind of punctuation after the nickname of the person you're talking to ?01:17
JZAzap not sure there are packages, or kernel module support01:17
jottGeneralAntilles: the post of benny is quite accurate wrt to the article..01:17
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JZAzap before there were packages and kernel builds with native nfs support01:18
jottbasically it's "all not certain" at the moment ;)01:18
* zap checks01:18
crashanddieJZA, and yes, that was directly aimed at you01:18
JZAwell now I am on the n800 and I found the rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules01:19
zapJZA: indeed, NFS is not built into the kernel01:19
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zapsomebody compiled them already01:19
zapI just thought it shouldn't be too hard to do it01:19
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* zap finally got his hands on osso-xterm01:21
JZAzap: actually is a pile of dependency, libwrap0, portmap, and nfs-common01:22
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zapI hope it just works01:22
lardmanhmm, worrying that: maemo-barcode.c:46:21: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory01:23
jottlardman: $(pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags)01:23
jottas gcc option01:23
JZAI also  wanted that maemo app Xournal01:23
jottadd a --libs fwiw01:23
lardmanyeah, just trying to work out why my Makefile hasn't managed that01:23
zapmaemo-barcode? Is there a bar code reading app for maemo?01:23
JZAbut couldn't get a package for chinook01:24
lardmanzap: one day01:24
zapJZA: xournal is available01:24
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JZAzap: I can;t remember why I couldnt find it on my repo01:24
JZAi did an update I think01:24
lcukyou have got libgtk2.0-dev installed?01:24
JZAzap umm that didnt work :p01:26
lardmanhope so, this is scratchbox01:26
JZAI guess the problem was a different one01:26
zapJZA: you just have to set up maemo extras properly01:26
lardmanjott: so you reckon to add --libs?01:27
lardman pkg-config --cflags hildon-libs => Package hildon-libs was not found in the pkg-config search path.01:27
jottlardman: --libs is for linking but if you do all in one pass add the --libs01:28
lardmanI'm wondering why pkg-config doesn't work01:28
jottlardman: what does not work? check /usr/lib/pkgconfig/*.pc for what it supports..01:29
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lbtlcuk: writes xml to file, reads xml.... getting there :)01:29
lcuk:) brutal!01:29
lbtanyway - night all - maybe wiki tomorrow....01:29
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lcukgnite lbt01:29
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lardmanjott: thanks, wrong names in the tutorial then01:29
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zaphow to launch a gui app from scratchbox? Launched xephyr, dbus-daemon, now what?01:30
lcukjott, for future reference for me, pkg-config is the default goto guy for most "standard" library usage then?01:31
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lardmanlcuk: it gives cflags required for each library01:31
jottlcuk: in a nutshell yes, though this is usually handled by the buildsystem01:31
jotti.e. cmake/autotools abstract this01:32
lcukyes, thanks, when i grow into a full system that will be more useful01:32
jottzap: appname01:32
jottzap: and start01:33
jottto start the hildon desktop01:33
zapbut the main menu contains strings like "home_ap_home_view" & such01:34
zapI guess it misses some localization files01:34
jottyou might want to check the manual :)01:34
zapindeed :)01:34
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zapby the way, wimax edition uses a different chip?01:39
zapor just different wifi firmware :)01:39
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GeneralAntillesEr, it's an N810 with a WiMAX radio slapped on.01:39
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zapis it rx48?01:42
zaphmm, why there's no osso-software-version-rx48 in repositories then01:42
zaponly 34 & 4401:42
GeneralAntillesBecause it hasn't been released yet.01:43
zapI thought it was release in April01:44
zapbut it seems that was only the presentation01:44
GeneralAntillesUh, no.01:44
lardmanhmm, I guess I should update my SDK, how do I tell my scratchbox version?01:45
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GeneralAntillesFind a microphone and scream "WHAT IS MY SCRATCHBOX VERSION?!" into it.01:45
lardmanTried that already01:46
lardmanthe echo sounded like Apophis01:46
jottlardman: cat /etc/osso_software_version for infos on the sdk rootstrap01:47
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lardmanjott: Thanks, I think I'll just download the whole shebang again, doesn't look like it'll do an inplace upgrade01:48
lardmanI tell a  lie01:48
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crashanddielardman, I completely removed scratchbox and the whole shazang01:48
jottlardman: yeah just setup a new target and fetch the rootstrap from the mameo site..01:49
crashanddielardman, though, I did save my home dir01:49
lardmanI'll try in the inplace, now I've found the right section :)01:49
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zapWhat means "public marketing release package"?01:54
crashanddiescratchbox shat itself01:55
GeneralAntillesTime to change its diaper?01:56
ljp6nope. no diaper. it was naked01:56
* GeneralAntilles hands crashanddie a mop.01:57
crashanddieljp is right on that one01:57
crashanddiemy dns just runs in the garden, stupid thing never even wanted a decent meal, only eating the plants, and the neighbour's children02:00
lcukand then shits on the rug02:00
crashanddiewell, I have to admit, when I'm updating its entries, the hygiene problem can be daunting02:01
crashanddiebut well, it's only bit-shit, so it doesn't smell all that bad02:01
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zapanybody knows in which packages I can find the translation messages for hildon-desktop?02:18
zapfor some reason I see the untranslated "tana_fi_games" and alike02:19
lardmannight chaps02:19
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GeneralAntillesHe's a fast /quitter.02:19
lcukits like when he goes afk in daytime02:19
lcukthe guy out of xkcd jumping about everywhere and having his hat nicked.  thats how i see lardman in his life.  bounding over the table whilst typing afk in midair02:20
crashanddieWhen I think of GeneralAntilles, I see the journalist from Stalingrad02:22
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lcuki think of john wayne.02:24
GeneralAntillesJohn Wayne02:24
lcukn8x0 in gun holsters for the quickdraw02:24
GeneralAntillesThe typical american cowboy stereotype. . . .02:24
crashanddieI don't know how I picture lcuk02:24
crashanddieOh, I know02:25
crashanddieWhen I think of lcuk I think of Reese in Torchwood02:25
lcuk.|.. go fuck yourself i aint no fat welsh git!!!02:25
crashanddiethat wasn't meant as an insult02:26
crashanddiethat's just... How I represent ya02:26
lcukgood job i havent said anything about you yet02:26
crashanddieNot even02:26
lcukbut you read BOFH don't you02:26
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lcukif not, go read a load and tell me which ones you02:27
crashanddieThinking of it02:28
crashanddieI think I'd rather see you as Carson Beckett02:28
lcukno, its ok you've spoken your mind now02:29
crashanddieI've always *loved* that character02:29
crashanddiePFY ?02:29
crashanddieThat would be me, right ? :P02:29
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crashanddiefor real ? That's how you picture me ?02:30
lcuki only realised a couple of years ago that i wasnt the pfy anymore02:30
crashanddiefuck you02:31
crashanddiethat's it, I'm canceling my tickets to berlin02:31
GeneralAntillesPoor crashanddie.02:31
lcukcool, more beef for everyone :D02:32
lcukbeer ffs02:32
* lcuk hits himself with a dictionary02:32
crashanddieto bad you won't have a highly trained evangelist to help you out when assaulted by questions02:32
lcuki think you will find the pfy isnt looked down on too badly :) afterall, hes managed to last this long02:33
crashanddieHere I stand before you, Evangelist CrashandDie, from the Oeuvre Totaly Absolut02:34
* lcuk tells crashanddie's uni what the real reason for needing 5GB of storage on the server was for02:35
crashanddieAnd now O kings, be ye wise. Be admonished, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He grow angry, and ye perish in the way for His wrath may quickly kindle.02:35
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lcukdid we get some static? i see letters but none make sense02:37
crashanddielcuk, you'll find that I installed the servers at uni, and I have root access to anywhere I want :P02:37
lcukexactly my point :P02:37
crashanddieAnd it was not 5GB, but a 128Gb usb dongle that serves as backup02:38
ol_schoolaas a retired BOfH, i'm going to have to go with lcuk's call02:39
GeneralAntillesOh ouch02:39
crashanddielcuk, though, in the words of someone I deeply respect "I never would"02:40
ol_schoolaon a different note, just got back from a shoot in Colorado and left the MacBook at home02:40
crashanddieso when I say backup, it truly is backup02:40
ol_schoolan8x0 + N95 = total freedom02:40
crashanddieol_schoola, feels good eh02:41
crashanddieYeah... I know it kinda struck me too when I was on the go the first few times, just with my NIT, but still able to do everything I wanted/needed02:41
ol_schoolafelt really bad checking the email while we pulled out of the Arkansas Rv for a smoke break02:41
crashanddieChecking your emails on the NIT is like smoking... You do it everywhere you shouldn't, at the worst possible moments, and everytime you think "I shouldn't, but the hell with it"02:42
lcukive never had a laptop to take out and about, and im only getting used to carrying this, but i can whip it out, play around, hack at source compile and be playing with altered version before the kettle has boiled02:43
crashanddiethere's only one thing that bothers me with the NIT02:43
crashanddiethe lack of a | on the keyboard02:43
lcukremappable easily i believe02:44
crashanddieyeah, it is02:44
crashanddiebut still02:44
lcuktab is worse for me02:44
crashanddietab too02:44
jotttab is also easy remappable :)02:44
crashanddiebut tab and pipe, you'd think the guys at Nokia would think of those...02:44
lcukkhertan added a tab icon on left of pygtkeditor for this reason - when we were asking him he only had an 800 and didnt realise how important it would be02:44
jottcrashanddie: the layout is for enduser02:45
crashanddieI mean... There's a YEN SIGN on the keyboard FFS ! I don't even have a YEN sign on my fullblown laptop keyboard02:45
jotti.e. hardware department are no linux guys ;)02:45
ol_schoolahadn't noticed as i don't use it to shell around or build (yet)02:45
GeneralAntillesThe people who want to txt ther friends.02:45
ol_schoolabut have gotten really attached to the folding BT mini-keyboard02:45
jottpeople needing a | are usually able to find out how to remap a keyboard layout02:46
lcukno shell, but c code needs both (formatting and or)02:46
crashanddielcuk, shush, people are gonna yell and tell you "should've used python, HA"02:46
crashanddiebut wait, python needs tab too, no ?02:46
jott{} is even more important for c code ;)02:46
lcukpython NEEDS tabs more than me02:46
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* crashanddie stfu02:47
jottyou could always use space to indent ;)02:47
lcukthe language works on indenting02:47
lcuknot really jott, it looks bad02:47
lcukkhertan solved it anyway, tab is in reasonable place02:47
crashanddiewhere ?02:47
lcukbottom left of screen, about where f1 is on a big keyboard in relation to the keys02:48
jotti got mine on fn+return02:48
jottand much more changes to make it usable ;)02:48
lcukwhen im doing major work i use this keyboard or my apple bt which has both02:48
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crashanddielcuk, you have an apple bt keyboard ?02:48
crashanddieheh :)02:48
crashanddieWhich one ?02:49
lcuksmall thin book sized one02:49
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crashanddieThe sexy metal one ?02:49
lcukyer, its lovely02:49
crashanddieyeah, have that one too for the PS302:49
lcukits got deceptively big keys and is easy to type on02:49
crashanddieI gotta say, writing emails on a 42" screen in your couch is comfy as hell02:50
crashanddiebut not great for privacy :-°02:50
lcukif you hold your n810 a few inches from the face you get the same effect (as long as you control the crosseyed ;))02:50
crashanddien810 screen is 15:902:51
crashanddielcuk, you don't get 1920x1080 on the n810 :P02:52
lcuki couldnt see that high resolution from across the room anyway02:52
* lcuk should upgrade his eyes to HD02:53
bexi wonder if this would work with the n800:
lcuk"as long as it supports NTSC out"02:53
* GeneralAntilles loves the HD decoding screencaps from the Beagle.02:53
bexdoes it?02:53
lcuki think someone mentioned a USB framebuffer02:53
lcukno tv out at all02:53
GeneralAntillesOMAP2420 has tv out02:54
GeneralAntillesIt's just not hooked up02:54
GeneralAntillesHopefully that'll change for the next device. . . .02:54
bexyou could watch porn anywhere and nobody would know02:54
lcukis that the nvidia one GeneralAntilles?02:54
GeneralAntillesNvidia sucks, lcuk.02:54
GeneralAntillesThey have no Linux support.02:54
* lcuk lobs rocks at the hornets nest02:55
lcuk:D you get so defensive about that GeneralAntilles its wicked02:55
crashanddieWhat ? My 7400 isn't supported under Linux? ZOMG02:55
GeneralAntillesI'm just going to get meaner each time you bring it up. ;)02:55
GeneralAntillesEr, for the Tegra02:55
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GeneralAntillesThey've said that they don't plan on Linux support.02:55
GeneralAntilles"Windows Mobile is the focus"02:55
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GeneralAntillesBesides, it's a stinky ARM11 core02:56
GeneralAntillesNothing impressive.02:56
lcukim impressed :) you have done your homework at least.02:57
crashanddiehe doesn't do anything else02:57
GeneralAntillesYes, I usually do. ;)02:57
lcukok GeneralAntilles, next gen: what should we expect (serious) im in a mood for thinking of the future02:58
lcukis that another range of dark blue boxes for us to stare at and dream of drivers?02:58
GeneralAntillesNo more LCD bandwidth issues for a start. ;)02:59
GeneralAntillesWatch the Beagle stuff if you're interested in getting a glimpse at the kind of power we'll be working with.02:59
lcukyer, agreed that beagle looks good02:59
GeneralAntillesHint, the Beagle runs fine on 1024x76803:00
lcukwas looking at linuxtag, very impressive desktop capable system03:00
lcuki bet we will be able to connect straight into the box with a kvm type arrangement03:00
GeneralAntillesBoth Beagle and Pandora are working towards OpenGL.03:01
GeneralAntillesand the OMAP3 docs are MUCH more open than the OMAP2 stuff.03:01
lcukworking towards? i would have thought it was sorted03:01
lcukdrivesr+opengl es+bumpy goodness03:01
GeneralAntillesWell, it's mostly licensing stuff at this point from what I gather.03:01
lcukaint that the same now?03:01
GeneralAntillesNot really.03:01
lcukthat concerns me for the same reasons03:01
GeneralAntillesThere are lots of people ACTIVELY working towards getting good Linux drivers for OMAP303:02
GeneralAntillesTI people03:02
GeneralAntillesBeagle is a TI project.03:02
lcukyer, i bet i could digup info from before 80003:02
lcuksaying same thing03:02
GeneralAntillesNot comparable03:02
GeneralAntillesOMAP2's Linux support is basically covered by the tablets and only the tablets.03:03
lcukmontevista was first wasnt it03:03
GeneralAntillesWell, sure, but that doesn't ship on anything OMAP203:03
GeneralAntillesTI's targeting the Linux embedded space very heavily with OMAP303:03
lcukyes it did03:03
GeneralAntillesThe OMAP35xx stuff is pretty much ENTIRELY targeted at small-scale embedded Linux operations.03:03
lcukyer, they did exactly the same thing with 203:04
GeneralAntillesThere weren't any Pandoras or Beagles for OMAP203:04
GeneralAntillesShow me another OMAP2-based Linux device besides the tablets. ;)03:04
lcukthe price might have been higher but theres been dev boards for as long as there have been chips03:04
GeneralAntillesFor something more concrete, compare the docs from TI for OMAP2 and OMAP303:04
GeneralAntillesDev boards don't count.03:04
GeneralAntillesI'm talking real devices.03:04
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lcukarent most of the docomo 3g phones omap2 embedded03:05
GeneralAntillesAnyway, the hardware reasons for not shipping drivers have been removed, and the incentive has gone way up for Nokia.03:05
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lcukand they have been available in the east  for a lot longer than over here03:06
jottstill the 3d core is not from ti :/03:06
jotthm do the gl driver actually run on the beagle board now? :p03:07
lcukjott, you were with us when we saw the beagles03:07
lcukthey had a 3d screensaver thing when we arrived i think03:07
jottand they had no 3d driver ..03:07
jottthat was not a beagle board but the professional board ;)03:08
lcukno... you are right03:08
lcukit was a picture of a screenshot on a poster...03:08
* nomis defenitely saw 3d stuff on the beagleboard on Linuxtag.03:08
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jottnomis: no03:08
jottthat was not the beagle board03:08
jottthough it was an omap3  board03:08
GeneralAntillesAnyway, even if we DON'T get drivers, the better CPU and controller make things a lot easier.03:08
jottstill it's more a legal issue ;)03:08
GeneralAntillesjott, was it green or red?03:08
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jottthe beagle board?03:09
nomisok, it might have been the devel board. But didn't this run Linux as well?03:09
jottred afair not sure though03:09
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, depends from where the traffic is coming03:09
GeneralAntillesGreen == EVM, red == Beagle03:09
jottbut the other was bigger and had an lcd attached ;)03:09
lcuknomis, yes i would look forward to putting it on a big screen and do live dev in device but with my screen03:09
GeneralAntillesThat'd be the EVM03:09
lcukthen instantly flip to the tablet and code03:10
jotthopefully we could convince them to put a wifi module on it..03:10
crashanddiethat would be bitching03:10
jotthaven't keep track of the development ;)03:10
GeneralAntillesEh, I'm not too worried about it.03:10
GeneralAntillesIt has plenty of USB.03:10
lcukusb is ugly, if i can get a dock and have it charging everything can go wireless03:11
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jottyeah i guess this was it..03:11
GeneralAntillesEither way, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between that and the Beagle SoC wise.03:11
jottjust legal wise, software stack wise, enduser wise ;)03:12
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crashanddiehow much does something like that cost GA ?03:12
GeneralAntillesThe EVM is 800-1200, I think03:12
GeneralAntillesBeagle will be $15003:12
crashanddieand is that touchscreen ?03:12
jottyeah about ~100003:12
jottand tech support ;)03:13
GeneralAntillesBeagle should open for orders in august.03:13
GeneralAntillesYeah, the EVM is well a truly a dev board.03:13
lcukdeveloper level access to hardware technicians :)03:13
GeneralAntillesqwerty12 and penguinbait made LinuxDevices03:13
lcukqwerty will be so pleased03:14
crashanddie"(Click for larger view of Nokia N810 (WiMAX version))"03:14
jottand all for an stoneage version of android :P03:14
* lcuk touched a wimax version :P03:14
lcukits got a fat arse03:14
* GeneralAntilles facepalms at b-man making it in there.03:14
nomisGeneralAntilles: will the August Beagle be rev. B or rev. C?03:14
GeneralAntillesI hadn't realized lots of whining was such an easy way to make the news.03:14
GeneralAntillesnomis, rev. b03:15
GeneralAntillesRev. C will probably ship around November.03:15
lcukok, who signed me up to apple newsletters03:15
nomisGeneralAntilles: ok.03:16
lcuktheres spam and theres offensive spam03:16
crashanddielcuk, sorry03:16
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jott"However, porting Android is such a tedious process that Android developers have been looking for an installer to cut to the chase." haha ;)03:17
GeneralAntillesAnyway, good things are afoot for the embedded Linux space.03:18
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* GeneralAntilles is interested to see what lcuk might pull off with OpenGL. :P03:21
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lcuk:) i have some ideas03:23
lcukit shouldnt matter what i run most stuff in anyway03:24
lcuki can already do 3d skeletons (stars are technically 3d) and rotations and transformations are quite easy ontop of the scaling that goes on03:24
GeneralAntillesIs your svn up on Garage yet?03:25
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cmwis there serial breakouts on the n770 or n810?03:52
GeneralAntillesYes, there, under the battery cover03:53
GeneralAntillesand it's "770". ;)03:53
cmwn = nokia03:53
crashanddieso it's nokia nokia 810 ?03:53
cmwnn810 :)03:53
cmwis there pinouts some where for the serial?03:53
GeneralAntillesTry google03:54
cmwall i get is way finder cracks for "serial n810" heh03:54
cmwthat would be jtag... not serial03:54
GeneralAntillesSame thing on the tablets.03:55
cmweh how so03:55
cmwthe breakout has both serial and jtag?03:55
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cmwwow that was not indexed well at all03:58
cmwjust fyi if anyone else is interested03:58
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cmwcan anyone enlighten me on how the kernel is booted on the n810? is there no bootloader?04:03
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rm_youwho pinged me like 6 hours ago prolly? >_> lol04:04
GeneralAntillesjott found the awesome04:06
* GeneralAntilles is trying to find the screenshot.04:06
GeneralAntillesYou need to get with him to join forces. ;)04:07
* rm_you explodes04:08
rm_youjott: ping04:08
rm_youjott: ping04:08
rm_youjott: ping04:08
rm_youjott: ping04:08
rm_youjott: ping04:08
GeneralAntillesI told him about the bounty. :P04:08
* rm_you gets out his paypal account04:08
GeneralAntillesHe's also using dsme directly.04:08
GeneralAntillesAs opposed to dsmetool04:09
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rm_youhe needs to submit patches NOW04:09
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rm_youdid that use my app's code as a base?04:09
rm_youor did he just remake the whole damn thing?04:09
GeneralAntillesBuilt off the rotation plugin04:09
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* rm_you gives up at life04:10
rm_youi've been replaced. good game, world.04:10
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GeneralAntillesLet's see jott gets icons, and, uh, a prefs dialog? :P04:11
rm_youif he did that, it would prolly take him about 30 seconds to code up the prefs, lol04:12
GeneralAntillesOh, and a website! :D04:13
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rm_youjott: ping04:15
rm_youjott: ping04:15
rm_youjott: ping04:15
GeneralAntillesHe was here an hour ago. . . .04:15
rm_youwhy didn't he just send you the patch!?04:15
rm_youor send me an email?!04:15
rm_youor something!?04:15
GeneralAntillesIt's not a patch.04:16
GeneralAntillesHe said he was cleaning up the code a bit.04:16
rm_youi guess i'll just wait04:16
lcukrm_you, now you have plenty of time on your hands, do you fancy seeing about a pdf to image proof of concept?04:17
rm_youi guess >_<04:19
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rm_youi was gonna last night but i got distracted by a quiz thing for stargate worlds beta keys :P04:19
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jottrm_you: hey :p04:24
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lcukrm_you, dont forget, you owe jott $20 :P04:34
* rm_you is currently in the paypal interface04:35
rm_youjott: applying now :P04:35
rm_youjott: also... GRRRRR lol04:35
GeneralAntillesThat's probably the first completed bounty on Garage.04:35
rm_youi noticed how you put those two lines directly above the commented out versions of the same thing (with a one word difference) >_>04:36
rm_youif i weren't so elated right now i would be annoyed :P04:36
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lcuk:) jott, thank you for this.  now he can finally move past it ;)04:37
rm_youjott: but wait... how does this let you put the volume/brightness slider widgets inside the menu?!04:37
rm_youwait nm04:37
rm_youi'm dumb04:37
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jottrm_you: it is technically not a menu but a window04:37
rm_youstill thinking about this the wrong way04:37
rm_youi'd be interested in seeing your DSME work too :P04:38
jottrm_you: yeah, will share soon enough ;)04:39
jottthis gave some nice hints04:39
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rm_youjott: what email address you use for paypal? :P04:41
rm_youjott: oh, and i need the other stuff you were talking about too, that makes it close properly04:42
rm_youwhen you click elsewhere04:43
jottyeah the trick is to use gdk_pointer_grab04:44
jotton a map-event04:44
jottand erm... might be better if we integrate your code into my code base ;P04:45
rm_youi ... actually may agree with you <_<04:45
rm_youtho it is probably better to remain a seperate applet <_<04:45
rm_youwhile volume/backlight sort of go together, i'm not sure rotation fits in there04:46
GeneralAntillesEh, that's what preferences are for!04:46
jottrotation is only displayed if the xserver supports it04:46
rm_youbut i think your codebase may have less problems04:46
rm_youwell then04:46
rm_youi guess we should start working things out :P04:46
cmwis maemo mainly developed by nokia?04:48
GeneralAntillesThere's a lot of contract developers04:49
GeneralAntilleslike Igalia04:49
jottoh and according to the article most of the gtk work is now done by immendio04:50
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lcukgnite maemoppl05:30
GeneralAntillesgnite weirdo05:31
lcuk.|.. :P05:32
GeneralAntillesand a round from the right barrel ..|. :D05:33
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crashanddie.|.. -_- ..|.05:43
GeneralAntillesOH SHIT05:44
crashanddieI have fists the size of my face05:44
GeneralAntillesi.e., a really small head? :P05:44
crashanddieit's not what's in it that's taking a whole lot of room05:44
crashanddieso yeah, probably05:44
crashanddieyou got my voicemail, mofo ?05:45
wizaumm, some has actual working a2dp now05:45
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, btw, if it doesn't make sense, nevermind, cuz I couldn't remember what shit I was on about05:46
GeneralAntillesI still need to go to AT&T to get a new SIM card.05:46
wizaI'm getting BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed... from mplayer05:46
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: this is gonna be neat05:54
GeneralAntillesI'm on the edge of my seat. :D05:55
rm_youwe're merging rotation into adv-backlight05:55
crashanddieI can't wait when I hear the beat !05:55
rm_youhe solved a lot of problems05:55
crashanddieawww rm_you you broke the rhyme05:55
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rm_youhopefully also the volume crash05:56
rm_yousince we'll be using his cleaner codebase05:56
GeneralAntillesOh really?05:56
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Chur1what could I do to make sure I have all the files still installed to use the RSS?05:58
wizaok.. now it says open DSP device error = -1: falling back to SW method06:00
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wizaou shit06:12
wizamy tablet is booting up to something like 40%(that blue line) and restarts after that :(06:12
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crashanddie'night Maemo06:16
GeneralAntilles'night Weirdo06:16
wizaok, seems like I'll be flashing internet tablet right about now06:17
wizaffs now it's rebooting itself while loading06:24
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yigalhas anyone installed zsh succesfully on an n8xx?07:29
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kanlacismyigal: No luck searching for any information on that. All I'm finding by searching Google are detail-less mentions -not- to install zsh. Pretty useless info : /07:52
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yigalI think I will just try, I like its built in math functions, and completion capabilities07:53
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kanlacismyigal: Yeah, it'll be worth it if it works (in my opinion.) Good luck : )07:53
yigalthank you07:54
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johnxjust don't link it to sh08:01
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Foxxgreetings everyone08:02
johnxhello Foxx08:02
Foxxhows it going?08:03
johnxpretty good, little tired08:03
johnxand you?08:03
Foxxmeh, im not going to start complaining ;}08:03
Foxxive recently aquired a nokia n80008:03
Foxxnot enough time, and too many things to play with08:03
Foxxive been looking for a repo' that has kismet and BTScanner, and it seems all of them are offline, or otherwise gone08:04
johnxlook at
johnxbut kismet is hard to get working because Nokia's wireless tools seem to interfere with it08:05
Foxxi did, it seems the repo' changed path names, and when i navigate the directory structures, kismet just isnt there08:05
Foxxyeah, i heard there was issues with kismet08:05
Foxxto be honest, id be happy with a graphical version of RFMon08:05
Foxxi just wanted something to tell me 'Hey buck'o, there is wifi here' with a signal strength08:06
Foxxmainly for mapping wifi installs08:06
yigaljohnx: is that the only problem?08:06
Foxxim still new to the n800-, but it doesnt seem hard to pick up if you are in some way linux literate08:07
johnxyigal, also, the driver seems a little flakey when capturing packets08:07
Foxxi dont need to capture packets, just detect wifi, on what channels, and see signal strengths08:07
Foxxi was hoping that someone may have a backup the the package?08:09
Foxxor a similar tool?08:09
FoxxBTScanner isnt that important to me, but the wifi detection is important08:09
Foxxi have to work with a lot of rouge wifi installs, hunt them down, and take them offline if possible08:10
Foxxthen install them properly08:10
johnxso maybe even something like netstumbler08:10
Foxxyeah, but lugging the laptop everywhere is a pain in the... well... lower back08:11
Foxxive been really happy with the n800, rght out of the box with a few added packages08:11
Foxxand getting root access to it was really simple08:12
Foxxthis thing is just dripping with potential ;}08:12
Foxxbut im still doing my homework on what it can and cant do08:13
johnxah, for some reason I thought there was a version of netstumbler for linux08:13
Foxxnot that i know of08:13
johnxyeah, just me confusing myself08:13
Foxxit seems like kismet for the N series just dropped off the face of the internet08:13
Foxxand BTScanner08:14
Foxxmy buddy had a n770 and had both running just fine08:14
johnxwell, it never worked properly, and I don't know much about bluetooth stuff08:14
Foxxwell, bluetooth works on the same band as wifi08:14
Foxxso a saturation of wifi could cause issues with bluetooth devices, and vice versa08:14
Foxxheck, even a poorly designed 2.4ghz cordless phone can kill local wifi/bluetooth08:15
yigalmy microwave used to do it08:15
Foxxyah, that operates on the same band too08:15
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Foxxand Wireless Security Cameras08:15
johnxyigal, your microwave scares me08:15
yigaljohnx: it scares me also08:16
johnxtry not to stand in front of it while it cooks, ok08:16
Foxxi want to try and get HID devices working, mainly a USB gamepad08:16
yigalI'll try my best08:16
johnxFoxx, that shouldn't be too hard08:16
Foxxim a hardware man, so making th einterface isnt a challenge08:17
Foxxim just still sinking my claws into whats possible08:17
Foxxid like to get some atari and NES emulation going08:17
Foxxi got an NES emulator, but I cant map the keys08:18
Foxxsorry if im flooding you with all this, im just really excited on the potential of this lil' buggar08:18
johnxno problem08:18
johnxit's quiet now anyways08:18
Foxxive had to deal with my Windows mobile 5 and 6 PDAs08:18
johnxyeah, those were a pain08:19
johnxare for you08:19
johnxwere for me :P08:19
FoxxWM6 isnt as bad, but im on a Dell Axim X51v08:19
Foxxthe OS is piss poor coded, and the AGP drivers are lacking, at best08:20
johnxanyways, usb keyboards work out of the box, with a couple simple off the shelf connectors08:20
Foxxim aware08:20
Foxxi have the connectors in my lab08:20
zappppis there anyone who has used ICd through libconic or other way?08:20
Foxxid like USB mass Storage working08:20
tank-mantry with a powerd usb hub for that08:20
johnxFoxx, just plug it in, anything that takes less than 100mA08:21
Foxxi plan on powering the device on its own supply08:21
Foxxim aware the n800 doesnt supply enough from the port08:21
Foxxdoes mass storage work out of the box, or do i have to install some dependancies?08:22
johnxecho host > /sys/devices/platform/musb*/mode08:22
johnxthere are a coupe GUI apps that will do that for you or you can just put it in your boot scripts or something08:23
Foxxany keywords i can search google for?08:23
johnx"usb control" maemo08:23
tank-manif you have your usb keyboard working already, usb mass storage should just work08:23
johnxusb statusbar applet usb otg08:24
Foxxif not, what should i install to get it working?08:24
johnxyou don't need anything08:24
tank-manthose keywords johnx just typed should work to get the n800 in host mode08:24
Foxxthanks, ill put those keywords on my list to research08:24
johnxjust run that echo line and it will work08:24
Foxxlets see if my n800 has some battery life to it ;}08:25
Foxxi really appreciate the help fellas'08:25
johnxsure :)08:27
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Foxxi tried to run the echo host > line, its giving me an error08:27
johnxsorry, let me look it up again08:28
Foxxno worries08:28
Foxxill look up those keywords08:28
johnxecho host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode08:28
johnxI thought echo would just expand the *08:28
Foxxno use in having you wipe my ass, i need to learn for myself08:28
johnxeh, no problem. I'm just staring at my coffee anyways08:29
Foxxi dont mind getting my claws dirty08:29
Proteouskingston micro sd 2gig card on for $6 + $5 shipping08:29
Foxxgoogle is my on-again off-again fuck buddy08:29
Foxxgreat, now i get Permission Denied, and my battery died08:30
Foxxill fiddle with it a bit later08:31
Foxxim mainly concerned about a wifi scanner application and btscanner08:31
Foxxi was hoping someone may have the package on drive or disc08:31
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Foxxi saw images of the WiSPY working on the n77008:33
Foxxthat gave me the geek itch08:33
Proteousno, you get that from not changing your socks08:38
Foxxthat explans the funky smell08:40
Foxxhows it going Proteous?08:41
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Proteousmy housekkFf08:45
johnxI think he fell asleep on his keyboard O_o08:45
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ProteousI am a liitle sleepy08:46
Proteousbut it's hard to fall asleep on a n810 keyboard08:47
johnxwell that was a pretty good attempt then08:47
ProteousI was going to say that my house is still hot from the heat spell we've been having here08:48
Proteousand it's 10pm08:48
johnxno air conditioning?08:49
Proteousthat and the beer are making me sleepy, and are making it hard to type08:50
Proteousno AC, usualy doesn't get this hot08:50
johnxalright, I won't ask you to write any novels then08:50
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MakeghoIs there an alt button equivalent in N810?09:25
XLTFunctionally, the fn I guess. But you want the signal/keysym?09:28
Italodancedamn canola 2 beta9 can't read BMP images!09:29
Italodancewhat about u?09:30
MakeghoIt would be nice when using irssi. ;) There's the esc key though.09:30
MakeghoCanola2 youtube player's scroll bar didn't work for me. Don't know about bmps.09:31
XLTNot much here in the way of modifiers unless you have an ext keyboard09:31
Makeghook, thanks anyway09:32
XLT(I'm not a final authority on that of course :)09:33
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liteMakegho, esc does the job. many of us use the esc even with pc09:34
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XLTI do too. Unless the desktop has a meta key for wm09:35
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XLTHaven't tried irssi on a nit though09:36
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acydlordso i finally got my bluetooth dun working under diablo thanks to a tip someone posted on bugzilla lol09:51
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zappppI have been trying to close current connection to internet and connect to my own ad-hoc network for a week :(09:54
zappppI'm starting to hate maemo's ICd09:55
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acydlorddid you install the package for ad-hoc?09:56
acydlordor are you trying to connect to an ad-hoc hosted on a different machine?09:56
zappppwhat package you mean?09:56
zappppthe problem is that I can't disconnect the current connection automatically09:57
zappppif I disconnect through connection manager by clicking "disconnect" and then connect to my ad-hoc network it works09:57
acydlordbut it wont work via change connection?09:58
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zappppit works that way also but I would like to do the same thing directly in my code but there's no way to do it09:59
zappppthe libconic library doesn't offer method to change connection10:00
Italodancediablo! only chinook ROXXXXXXXXXXXXXX10:00
zappppit does offer method for closing the connection (con_ic_connection_disconnect()) but this method doesn't do anything ?!10:01
acydlordhave you tried installing the wireless-tools package and doing it using iwconfig?10:01
zappppyes I have tried and it worked but10:01
zappppI would like the connection manager to be informed that I have connected to my ad-hoc network so that if user opens for example web browser maemo wouldn't automatically ask to connect to different network10:02
zappppif I connect using iwconfig the connection manager won't get updated10:03
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acydlordthis thread might be helpfu sort of
acydlordlooks like there is a bug preventing ad-hoc via dummy network in diablo10:07
zappppI think this isn't related to my problem because I haven't updated yet to Diablo, I'm still using Chinook10:09
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acydlordwell anyways i've got to pop off here so i can update my tablet and go to bed10:11
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acydlordtry looking into that dummy ad-hoc package mentioned in there and see if that may work for you10:11
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* timelyx sighs10:20
Italodancetimelyx is girl yes?10:23
Stskeepsboys can sigh too? :P10:23
* aquatix does all the time10:24
Italodanceyes sure10:24
aquatixannoyting $world10:24
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Italodancehow much is the size of diablo!?10:27
Italodance666 MB10:27
aquatixnah, about 130MB iirc10:27
Italodanceaquatix do u updated ur IT from chinook to Diablo?10:28
aquatixworks fine10:28
Italodancetell me about the design? how is it? good cool?10:28
johnxsame design10:28
aquatixabout the same as chinook10:28
Italodanceand have some pics? screenshots?10:28
aquatixonly a different default background10:28
aquatixbut the old one is still there10:29
Italodanceso what is different between them?10:29
aquatixsome new libs, updating without needing to flash10:29
aquatix[from now on]10:29
Italodancebtw can u send me only the background pic?10:30
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Italodanceok no..10:33
X-Fadetimelyx: ping?10:34
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Italodance!op Italodance10:36
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aquatixItalodance: so, why not update yourself?10:47
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rm_youthoughts on this computer related riddle: Sailor searching for a drink? (two words, first 4 letters, second 7 letters) :P10:53
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tank-manyou better type the answer/punchline soon11:06
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rm_youi dont know the answer >_< its been driving ME insane11:07
rm_youfor hours11:07
rm_younow i've inflicted the pain on you :P11:07
matmomorning. Anyone booting from MMC on 770? Just installed, no delay to get boot menu so I would like to compare
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drakogood morning :-D11:10
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pupnikmatmo: matmos?11:11
matmopupnik: ?11:11
stargatercan maemo run on a pc ?11:11
pupnikinteresting electro artist11:11
pupniki can boot 770 here11:11
pupnikyes stargater11:12
matmopupnik: nope, just "matmo" :-)11:12
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pupnikgive me a minute pls matmo11:12
stargaterpupnik: nice, i like maemo for a eeepc11:13
pupnikok somethings wrong - battery was completely down, booting doesn't give me the OS but just 'charging' sign11:14
matmopupnik: :-(11:14
stargateran maemo switch to QT4 ?11:14
pupnikstargater: you can run the maemo application development environment on a PC - everybody did11:14
pupnikeverybody does rather11:14
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pupnikstargater, it would be interesting to see ITOS (the internet tablet OS) running on eee11:17
XLTMaybe that wossname project11:18
pupnikmatmo where is this
XLTOr maybe if more components open11:18
XLT.oO(eeepc as a scratchbox?)11:19
JaffaMorning, all11:19
matmopupnik: /mnt/initfs/ (but I am guessing this is correct, looks ok)11:19
pupnikwant bootmenu.conf ?11:20
matmoplease and bootmenu.conf11:21
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matmooop, bootmenu.sh11:21
pupnikok  .conf11:21
pupnik  .sh11:22
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matmothanks, back in a mo11:24
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stargaterpupnik: ITOS = have you a url?11:26
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timelyxzap: is your friend, it'll help you figure out things like translations11:28
rm_youtank-man: BTW: port scanner :P11:28
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timelyxGeneralAntilles: re 3414, i think i saw it when you filed it11:31
aquatixhm, are there modest snapshots for diablo already?11:31
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X-FadeCan anyone confirm that the browser in diablo crashes on this url?
pupnikstargater: well if you get the maemo development environment, you will have much of the needed stuff running on x8611:42
lbtX-Fade: seems to11:44
wndX-Fade, crashes on my device11:44
lbtGeneralAntilles: people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable:
wndhmm now that I loaded that url from command line, the page loaded just fine, then reloaded three times, and then the browser exited11:47
wndor was killed11:48
X-Fadewnd: Yeah, I saw the reload once too.11:48
lbtwnd: on mine I went to the base url, it displayed partially, reloaded and as I clicked the url bar to see the url, it crashed11:48
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wndand it really seems to segfault, not just exit. "browser_engine_is_alive: assertion `self->connection' failed"11:51
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* wnd sighs11:52
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wndsorry, seems to be killed, it doesn't segfault11:52
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X-FadeMaybe it requests too much memory in a short time?11:53
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timelyxX-Fade: pong11:55
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timelyxX-Fade: htop ;)11:56
X-Fadetimelyx: I pinged you to confirm that browser crash ;)11:56
timelyxthat's silly, i rarely have devices handy, that's what #maemo is for :)11:56
timelyxanyway, if we're being killed by the kernel, there's not much we can do11:57
X-FadeHeh, well I got confirmation from #maemo already ;)11:57
timelyxdmesg should show if we notice low memory signals11:58
timelyxyeah, i saw, but for reference :)11:58
X-FadeNothing in dmesg btw.11:58
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wndnow I'm getting "LOW Mem: connection to server fail: exiting"12:00
wndalso, I once managed to load the page when browser was in the background. the browser then exited when I brought it to foreground.12:01
wndor maybe it was just perfect timing12:01
matmopupnik: agh crap, disabled the timeout, no menu, no boot (even to internal flash). Now reflashing again with 2008HE. What version/s are you using on your 770?12:01
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X-FadeIf I run browser from the command line, I see it actively gets killed.12:02
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* aquatix thinks it's because of the bunch of images12:03
timelyxX-Fade: sorry, got sysklogd? :)12:05
wndhold on12:05
timelyxyou see browser or browserd getting killed?12:05
timelyxanyway, for fun,
aquatixbtw, i think these look pretty cool:
aquatixtechie font12:06
aquatix[not very readable for passers by, but hey]12:06
wndnow it also received SIGSEGV. I probably missed that the last time.12:07
timelyxcan you install nitro?12:08
timelyxor create a core-dumps directory?12:08
drakotell me when the pen is out12:08
pupnikmatmo: 2006 :) until i see most 770 users on a different OS12:09
XLTMost? :)12:10
stargaterpupnik: thanks :-)12:11
matmopupnik: ah ok. Ever tried 07/08?12:11
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Makeghowhat program would you recommend for storing passwords in an encrypted file in n810?12:12
timelyxfirefox3 :)12:12
Makeghothere seems to be some 4-6 projects for that but I don't know which of them is best12:13
Makeghobest and best of course, but still12:13
X-Fadetimelyx: Ok, I got a core.12:14
X-Fadetimelyx: Only 85MB ;)12:14
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timelyxX-Fade: well, they should compress well12:15
timelyxeither that, or we /might/ have -dbg symbols12:16
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timelyxin which case you could debug it directly :)12:16
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darkterror46hello everyone12:19
Knirchhello one12:20
pupniktried 07 on 770, not 08 yet12:21
pupnik@ matmo12:21
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AD-N770good morning12:21
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matmopupnik: ok, I had 07 and was trying 08. Thanks for your help.12:23
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AD-N770I'm trying to move my tuner tool to garage, I've the project created and was now importing the files into svn12:33
AD-N770I'm not really skilled on svn, I've just added and commited the folder struct12:33
AD-N770and now I was importing the files into it12:33
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wndtimelyx, two nitro reports sent12:34
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AD-N770I'm getting an error PROPFIND request failed ... 302 found12:34
wndinterestingly enough now the browser didn't close12:34
AD-N770could you give me some tip on how to finish the commit?12:35
X-FadeAD-N770: Are you using or
X-FadeYou should use that latter.12:35
AD-N770svn info report URL: https://svn.garage....12:36
AD-N770how I've to change it now?12:37
X-FadeAD-N770: Yeah, that is not ok.12:37
X-FadeJust checkout again with the correct url.12:37
AD-N770ok trying now12:37
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AD-N770if it helps to someone else I've found another way to do the change, svn switch --relocate <oldurl> <newurl>12:43
AD-N770it worked12:43
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Jaffacrashanddie: tablet-encode svn should fix your GUI issue14:38
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lcuk2~lart dentists14:38
* infobot eats dentists's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti14:38
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lcuk2i bet infobot doesnt get toothache14:40
Jaffa~lart Darius14:44
* infobot plops Darius into a giant vat of herring14:44
lcuk2lol jaffa14:45
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lcuk2which got you this time, the google group for bounties (the chocolate bar i assume) or the DNS hack blink link spam?14:45
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lcuk2mmm bountry14:50
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Jaffalcuk2: the first primarily14:52
* GeneralAntilles wonders why Flashblock keeps popping up in bugs.14:53
lcuk2well im happy hes made that group14:53
GeneralAntillesIt's not a valid answer. <_<14:53
lcuk2i love bounties14:53
lcuk2(actually i dont i give them all to jake, but you get the idea)14:54
crashanddieactually, you wouldn't drink chianti with a high-blood meat14:55
lcuk2GeneralAntilles, flashblock?  you mean people using flashblock on device, or your flashblocker keeps warning you when you go onto the bugs site14:55
crashanddieJaffa, ok, awesome, I'll check it out tonight14:56
darkterror46is there a plugin to use netbeans instead of eclipse for maemo n810 development?14:56
crashanddieJaffa, happy I could contribute :) Was it a bug ?14:56
crashanddiedarkterror46, I don't recall seeing a netbeans plugin14:56
lcuk2you are not forced to use any ide for development, however there integration in other ides isnt as good.  perhaps if it means enough to you you could see what would be required14:57
GeneralAntilleslcuk2, it keeps popping up in bugs I'm interested in as a somehow "valid" solution to the bug.14:57
darkterror46because eclipse plugins aren't good enought . need to be fixing makefile instead of c coding14:57
crashanddieto be honest, I don't use either.14:58
crashanddiegedit + make14:58
lcuk2darkterror46, i feel your pain, i have to do all project management manually14:58
crashanddielcuk2, where's the pain in that ? It's not pain, it's fun!14:58
lcuk2ok then smart arse, you try it entirely on the device (for now until i get the editor working)14:59
lcuk2omg i am a number not a name14:59
crashanddiescratchbox ftw14:59
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darkterror46so averyone here is doing it the hard way?15:00
lcuki always think im gonna paste my password globally when i have to do //msgnickserv identify ******15:00
lcukdarkterror46, its not "hard", its more configurable and not so railroaded15:00
darkterror46someone did :-D15:00
Jaffacrashanddie: there was a bug, indeed. I'm going to try and improve UI's error handling as well for the 2.19 release15:01
lcukback later anyway15:01
crashanddieJaffa, good :)15:01
crashanddielcuk, don't use /msg nickserv15:01
crashanddielcuk, rather, use /ns or /nickserv15:02
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crashanddielcuk, worst case scenario: you send your password in a bad command to the server15:02
darkterror46so every time i add a c to the project i need to edit also the makefiles15:04
darkterror46that's why IDEs are used for!15:04
XLTIDE is a royally pointless thing when you're alrfeady immersed in a distributed de15:07
XLTJust a way to put a layer of goo in the way15:07
* Jaffa loves Eclipse. It's just a shame the C , Perl, Python and Groovy plugins aren't as developed as the Java one.15:08
XLTBut I guess some tools have gone downhill enough that you need a wizzard to work with them15:09
JaffaNavigating around a large OO project (or even separated procedural one) without an IDE just ends up being more pain than it's worth, unless you're the single developer working alone.15:09
zapdarkterror46: if you write your makefiles properly, you won't have to add new .c files to makefile15:10
XLTMostly I think people just can't use the tools15:10
XLT(What zap said eg)15:10
darkterror46zap can you give me a sample of that marvellous makefile?15:10
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zaplcuk: by the way, instead of /msg nickserv you can use /nickserv15:11
zaplcuk: this will save you from someone taking over the nickname 'nickserv' :)15:11
XLTMake can get pretty hairy, though.15:11
pekujaI think I've broken my internal memory card (/dev/mmcblk0p1) somehow. I get i/o errors and I can only mount it readonly through USB mass storage. should I try reformatting it or is it likely ruined?15:11
pekuja(that would suck)15:11
crashanddiedarkterror46, here is  makefile (example) that doesn't require you to add any .cpp files to the Makefile15:12
XLTpekuja: fsck?15:12
zapwhat kind of IO errors15:12
zapif from low-level driver, repair the unit15:12
zapif from filesystem, fsck/mkfs15:12
pekujaXLT, oh, that's a good idea. quite obvious now that I think of it >__>15:13
zapdarkterror46: <- this is from a real-life project15:13
zapdarkterror46: this is a submakefile that builds one of the libs in the project15:13
pekujazap, well, if I try to copy a file for example, I get "cp: read error: Input/output error"15:14
pekujanot with all files though15:14
lcukcompilling  *.c isnt always wanted though for all builds and this is where makefiles work well15:14
zappekuja: run dmesg and look what kernel says15:14
pekujait says Filesystem panic15:15
pekujaand invalid cluster chain15:15
zaplcuk: if you design your project from ground up, you just put all files that should be compiled together in a single subdir15:15
zappekuja: reformat hen15:15
infobotzap meant: pekuja: reformat then15:15
crashanddiezap, lcuk tends to put everything in one superdir :P15:15
pekujalol, reformat hen15:15
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pekujaoh, great, mkfs is installed by default15:16
darkterror46i'll play with that15:16
zappekuja: if you'll touch the hen, I'll tell greenpeace you're a knacker15:16
darkterror46thank you zap and crashanddie15:16
lcukcrashanddie, my superdir works15:16
lcukat least for now15:16
crashanddielcuk, I'm the same :P15:16
crashanddiedarkterror46, you're welcome15:17
lcukzap - i wouldnt like to have to make a pair of subdirs to allow a testing version of a module to be buildable15:17
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zapdarkterror46: the build system I described is used here:
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zaplcuk: you don't have to15:18
lcukzap, you are just showing off now, i cant use autoconf :(15:18
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zapI hate autoconf15:18
* Jaffa too15:18
lcuki hate it cos i cant have it15:18
XLTYou're certainly not alone15:18
lcuki know i would hate it more if i had it15:18
lcukzap, n810 dev env15:19
* Jaffa wants to look at !autoconf for use with vala given vala's so nice, and autoconf... isn't15:19
pekujaXLT, zap, thanks. hopefully this helps15:19
zaplcuk: so why no autoconf?15:19
pekujaat least the mkfs seemed to work ok15:19
zappekuja: cool, now reboot and see :)15:19
lcukautoconf requires alternative version of debiantools which to remove it removes ALL the osso stuff which removes my nokia basically15:19
zapyou an test your card by doing dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null15:19
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zapwhy you can't use scratchbox instead of n8xx =)15:20
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lcukcos i can compile wherever i am and i can work FASTER by compiling as i work rather than compile/copy over ssh/execute :)15:21
pekujazap, good idea15:21
XLTScratchbox on nit. ISAGN15:21
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lcukim not stuck to needing linux this or that or scratchbox installed oranything.  i can edit in windows or linux or mac or whatever i want and it works nicely15:22
lcukgranted, i will need SB for some things in near future (configuring a package) but so far its been smooth running15:22
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lcukand with my cpu on Performance it stays at fullspeed and compiles MUCH quicker than when its left on ondemand15:23
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lcuk(less than a minute for a fullrebuild vs 10minutes)15:23
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darkterror46anyone know a good makefile reference15:24
crashanddiedarkterror46, yeah, the ones we gave you :P15:24
lcukon ondemand it doesnt seem to consider the shell processes as needing an upgrade15:24
crashanddiedarkterror46, what's you're problem ?15:24
lcukcrashanddie, of course, full compilation on my home box is around 15seconds15:24
darkterror46need to know more about it15:24
crashanddielcuk, yeah, but still... factor 10 is quite a vast improvement, by any standard15:24
lcukyer, it was noticed early on15:25
zapdarkterror46: 'info make' is the best I know of15:25
lcukits not quite so drastic around the rest of the system, but i get a positive improvement with everything in performance15:25
crashanddiedarkterror46, hmm, I don't know really, I just know how it works, basically, after that, never looked up anything15:25
crashanddielcuk, which is probably why it's called "performance mode"15:25
lcuk(numpty works faster ;))15:25
crashanddiedo you notice a major difference in power consumption ?15:26
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lcukyer,  but i dont see any drawbacks \o/  unless of course something has a run on processor use that you dont expect15:26
zapI guess so15:26
lcukcrashanddie, not really, the only thing that kills my battery is wifi and when im off that it lasts all day as ive said many times15:26
zapby the way, is there a statusbar applet that would allow to switch CPU governor at runtime?15:26
lcukliqbase allows that, but itsn ot a statusbar applet15:27
lcukor rather, there are no statusbar applets designed for liqbase yet ;)15:27
zapor at least a desktop widget :)15:27
crashanddielcuk, ;)15:27
* crashanddie fires up eclipse15:28
crashanddieback to work15:28
lcukcya later :)15:28
zaplcuk: any plans to add a terminal to liqbase? then we can get rid of that slow linux15:28
crashanddieand saying that, I think I'm going to blast my brains out while listening to Deftones... Back to school :D15:28
crashanddiezap, eventually, lcuk is going to write a new kernel based off liqbase, and call it liqux15:28
crashanddiezap, then a new shell, liqsh15:29
crashanddiea new desktop manager liqome15:29
crashanddieand then he's going to change his name to Liqus Torliqs15:29
zapall praise lcuk :)15:30
zaplcuk: ;-)15:30
crashanddiehe well then start yelling at GPLv4, because it's utter shite15:30
crashanddieget a house in California, and give seasonal interviews about how Microsoft is going to fall in favour of liqus15:31
Italodancewhen is the release of carman?15:31
Italodancewhat can it do?15:31
crashanddielcuk, that sounds right ?15:31
zapcarman is 'pocket' in Russian :)15:31
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zapa little pocket engine15:32
Italodanceis it the same canola?15:32
zapinstall it and see :)15:32
zapit's available in some repo15:33
crashanddielcuk, btw, did you change the password on the server ?15:33
crashanddielcuk, I'd appreciate it if you did, don't want to leave an account open like that15:33
Italodancezap where? can u give me a link?15:33
GeneralAntillesThe new version is targeted for August. . . .15:34
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, think we should start a Darius fan club Google Group? :D15:34
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: I suspect he won't get the irony15:37
GeneralAntillesDarius Jack, solving all the world's ills with Google Groups.15:38
XLTGot to cash in on every solution you can find15:39
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Italodancewhat can do Mamona ?15:41
zapah, you found it15:41
GeneralAntillesItalodance, nothing that would interest you.15:41
Italodanceumm but can i know?15:42
Italodancewhat is mamona?15:44
lcukcrashanddie, i told you nooooo, you deal with it.  nice offer but not right for me15:44
Italodancedo u have it guys?15:45
crashanddielcuk, I don't care what you use it for, file storage, heavy duty compiling, whatever15:45
crashanddielcuk, but if you really don't want it, no problem15:45
crashanddiejust change the password and keep it for when you'll need it :P15:46 is soooo slooooow :(((15:46
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GeneralAntillesI'm really interested to see the result of this:
GeneralAntillesFremantle not running on the N8x0 series would be . . . disappointing.15:48
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: :P16:01
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pupnikoff again... into the wild blue yonder... have a nice day all16:02
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GeneralAntillespupnik's joining the navy?16:04
GeneralAntilless/navy/Air Force/ <_<16:05
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lcuks/air force/boy scouts16:09
GeneralAntillesNot with that song. :P16:09
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lcukwhat else can he do, they wouldnt accept him into the girl guides16:10
eichimy rss doesnt add feeds...someone know this?16:10
lcukdunno, ill stop popping in for a bit now :P16:11
lcukback later16:11
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: nice to get a hint that we'll see more of Fremantle at the summit. I'd guessed as much from the agenda, but seeing some concrete stuff (even if it's mockups or concepts) would be very cool16:22
GeneralAntillesThe PowerVR stuff should be interesting, too.16:23
zappppHas someone tried the example codes for conic python library found at ?16:27
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zappppI trie to receive connection events from ICd using the monitoring example but it didn't work16:29
GeneralAntillesHmm, reading the translations, the article sounds a lot less dire than the summary benny gave.16:29
crashanddiefirst rule of translations: make the news better/worse, so that the shock gets people to think about the content, instead of the quality of the translation16:30
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: see also
GeneralAntillesYeah, saw it.16:42
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Atariinoob question: /lib/modules/ No such file or directory. Stop.16:47
Atariihow do i fix that?16:47
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darkterror46could someone please take a look at this makefile and tell me what is wrong with it?
darkterror46oops wrong url16:49
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qwerty12Atarii, Are you building something? If so, what is it?16:53
darkterror46for now just a test project16:53
Atariiim trying to build the rt73 drivers, but for the 77016:55
qwerty12I remember compiling some kernel modules for the N800, I think the easiest way to sort out that message is to use a symlink.16:56
qwerty12(A symlink to the kernel source that is)16:56
Atariiah ok16:57
JaffaGeneralAntilles: you making the summit, btw?16:57
GeneralAntillesHighly unlikely.16:57
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: :-(17:04
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know.17:04
GeneralAntillesFamily reunion either that weekend or the weekend after17:04
GeneralAntillesplus school17:04
GeneralAntillesSince it's still up in the air, I don't want to apply for sponsorship then not be able to go.17:05
GeneralAntillesand definitely wont be able to afford the $2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;)17:05
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zapApplication Manager does not resolve the dependencies of the package installed through a .install file?17:29
GeneralAntillesEr, yes it does.17:29
GeneralAntillesUnless the .install is pointing to a .deb17:29
zappeople complains that the .install file I made does not get the 'file' package, which is listed as a dependency to the installed .deb file17:32
GeneralAntillesIs it available in the repositories they have?17:33
jottmaybe the package you refererring to is not in the defined repository...17:33
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zapNo, the 'file' is in the mainstream repository17:35
zapit is not in the referred repository, but shouldn't app manager look into configured repos as well?17:35
X-Fadezap: No it is not.17:36
X-FadeIt might be in the SDK repository, but that is not supposed to be used on the device.17:37
zapthis is devel repo?17:37
* lcuk whistles quietly17:37
X-Fadezap: Yes.17:37
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X-Fadezap: That is a SDK repository.17:37
zapso I would better refetrence it in .install ile, right?17:37
zapHow to proceed then?17:38
X-FadeThat repository is not to be used on the device by regular users.17:38
X-Fadeupload you dependency to extras?17:38
zapwell I haven't submited my package to extras yet17:38
X-Fadezap: Well, today is a good day for that ;)17:39
zapbut when a new version of 'file' will appear in sdk repo17:39
zapI'll have to reupload it?17:39
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X-FadeWell, yes and no. :)17:40
X-FadeIt depends on what changed.17:40
zapOk, I'll ask another way. Every package in extras has a maintainer?17:40
X-FadeBut typically these versions don't change outside of releases.17:40
zapOr it's just a "throw in your stuff and forget"?17:41
X-FadeThey all have an uploader, which can be a maintainer. Some packages are just repacks of debian packages.17:41
zapIf I upload 'file' into extras, I'll become the maintainer of it?17:42
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zapor anybody else can submit a newer version?17:42
X-Fadezap: That is why we push for source packages, so that things can be fixed when a maintainer gets hit by a bus..17:42
zapI'm not going to17:42
zapYET :)17:42
X-FadeOr just loses interest..17:42
qwerty12Hehe, is that a regular thing with pkg maintainers?17:42
qwerty12(Getting hit)17:42
zapqwerty12: I guess those busses have numbers like 007MS and such17:43
GeneralAntillesIt is if your build-depends aren't specified correctly. >:)17:43
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zapok cool. I'll look into submission then17:43
X-FadeAnd uploading to extras reduces the bus risks too ;)17:43
X-Fadezap: What is your garage username?17:44
X-FadeI'll give you an invitation.17:44
zaplet me look :)17:44
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zapaha, surprise.17:44
zapI'm zap there too17:44
zapshould I start a new project for the submission?17:45
X-FadeNo, that is not needed.17:45
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X-FadeBut you have a project, I see?17:45
X-FadeYou should receive an invitation shortly.17:46
zapby email?17:46
zapthank you17:46
* qwerty12 is pimpin *so* badly. I've got Phoenix to connect to my N800.17:48
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X-Fadezap: This might be of interest:
jottqwerty12: ah this *cough* nokia service center thingy?17:48
qwerty12jott, yep17:48
jottqwerty12: nice17:48
jottqwerty12: question, can you query the current brightness level with it? ;)17:49
jottof the lcd17:49
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qwerty12I'm into leaked nokia stuff, I've got ftd, phoenix, n800 + n810 service manuals + n810 schematics :P17:49
qwerty12jott, no idea, i'll see if i can figure it out17:49
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zapby the way, what interface the corner LED on N8xx has? In /sys/class/led/ I found only the keyboard backlight17:51
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X-Fadezap: Checks jott's application:
X-Fade/sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode17:53
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zapwhy not use the led sysfs class?17:54
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zapiirc it was designed to deal with colored leds17:54
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, how often does the scm tracker on Garage update?17:58
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: What part? The source view?17:59
GeneralAntillesThe stats part.17:59
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* qwerty12 explodes over /trunk/merge :)18:00
X-FadeAh I see someone is ego-surfing :)18:00
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: You have found a bug, it seems ;)18:00
GeneralAntillesNah, just wondering.18:00
GeneralAntillesI've only got about 5 adds. :P18:01
X-FadeI should at least update once a day, I guess.18:01
GeneralAntillesThat hasn't been updated for a while. . . .18:01
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GeneralAntillesAs a preliminary, I'm going to start off by blaming rm_you. :D18:02
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johnxI blame him too18:02
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: It should run every day at 1:20..18:02
johnxwhat are we blaming him for?18:02
zapX-Fade: does maemo-extras autobuild the package or chinook & diablo?18:02
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, for the scm stats not updating properly on Garage. :P18:02
rm_youI feel blamed18:02
X-Fadezap: Depends on which queue you upload to.18:03
rm_yousvn blame rm_you18:03
* rm_you loves that there's a BLAME command, though it doesn't do what he thinks it should :)18:03
zapah I see18:04
zapcool then, I don't have chinook scratchbox installed18:04
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Ok, found the problem.18:08
X-FadeAnd fixed it.18:08
GeneralAntillesThanks, X-Fade. :)18:09
* GeneralAntilles gets warm fuzzies from how responsive the team is compared to Maemo Software. :D18:09
rm_youdebian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right?18:10
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: should that page you linked now show something more than "4 updates"? >_>18:11
X-Faderm_you: When the stats job finishes, yes.18:11
rm_youah k :P18:12
rm_youdebian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right?18:12
qwerty12When you say debian/files, do you mean the folder that is basically tarred up as data.tar.gz?18:13
rm_youno, i mean my source tarbal18:14
rm_youI need to include rules, changelog, ... ...18:14
rm_youis the "files" file necessary18:14
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rm_youor is it generated during the build process18:14
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rm_youoh yeah... so did we make history as the first Maemo Garage bounty ever completed successfully? :P18:15
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qwerty12rm_you, I looked in some source tarballs for the open source parts of maemo, and I don't see a debian/files file in them.18:16
B1ACKDEATHhello is porting hard ?18:16
rm_youk sweet18:16
B1ACKDEATHlike if its allreay in deb format18:17
qwerty12rm_you, I'd make a backup tarball before trying this, but "fakeroot debian/rules clean" should clean out the debian folder.18:17
melmothif you already have the deb source package, it is supposed to be piece of cake.18:18
melmothnow, you may still hit some dependency issue and have to port first a couple of other packages.18:19
B1ACKDEATHwell im trying to get naim to nwork18:19
B1ACKDEATHi have alot of the stuff18:19
B1ACKDEATHits always a gcc problem18:19
darkterror46zap can i bug you again with a makefile issue?18:20
melmothB1ACKDEATH: either try to see why the packager set a requirement on a specific version of gcc (if that is the problem i think you describe)18:21
melmothor try to compile it manually, and once you know it owrks ok, try to package it on your own18:21
qwerty12B1ACKDEATH, can't see what you mean , I just compiled it fine (simple configure & make)18:23
qwerty12(colours are a bit strong in the program >.<)18:23
B1ACKDEATHon wat os18:23
qwerty12yes, using scratchbox, I compiled it for 200818:24
B1ACKDEATHmabey im just on something18:24
qwerty12The error messages that you actually get would help ;)18:24
B1ACKDEATHwell i didnt cross compile it18:25
GeneralAntillesJust get qwerty12 to give you the binary he made. <_<18:25
qwerty12I can't be arsed to deb package it though, I can tar.gz my source folder, you can make install yourself.18:26
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qwerty12The "Maemo Diablo Reference Manual" is brilliant btw, thanks to whoever made it.18:30
crashanddiedoes the form layout shock anyone ?18:30
B1ACKDEATHthanks qwerty1218:31
crashanddiepretty please ?18:32
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B1ACKDEATHi have your error now18:35
B1ACKDEATHchecking for C compiler default output file name...18:35
qwerty12You wern't meant to run configure on it.18:35
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crashanddieI'm not asking for world domination, just an opinion on that stupid form18:36
Mouseyopinion: it sucks18:36
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Mouseywait, what form?18:36
Mouseyopinion: it's french18:37
B1ACKDEATHi have your error now18:37
crashanddieyeah, but it's also gonna be chinese, english, russian and spanish18:37
Mouseyopinion: it doesn't render right in konqueror18:37
B1ACKDEATHqwerty12 what was i so post to run18:38
crashanddiedefine: doesn't render right ?18:38
Mouseyit's wider than my window and didn't resize itself to fit18:38
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crashanddiethat's correct rendering :-°18:38
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crashanddiehey, not my fault, I'm just doing what I'm told18:39
qwerty12B1ACKDEATH, make install18:39
B1ACKDEATHi did18:39
B1ACKDEATHit errored18:39
qwerty12why would configure run then?18:39
Mouseyyou were told "make sure it doesn't render right in konqueror"?18:39
Mouseythat's pretty specific18:39
Mouseyok ok, now i'm not being very helpful, sorry18:39
crashanddieno, I was told "we need so much width, make sure it keeps it, even if window gets resized"18:40
crashanddieI KNOW !18:40
Mouseyi'm suprised it isn't ASP on IIS, too18:41
Proteousthe placement of the form description text is bad18:41
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Proteousit should be to the left of the field, or onto with enough space between fields to tell what field the text is referencing18:41
* Mousey shrinks the font18:41
Mouseywow, it really does stay one size18:41
Mouseyopinion: it's built to spec18:41
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crashanddieProteous, better now ?18:45
crashanddie(this is just a draft eh, I'm not going to leave it float like that, obviously)18:46
GeneralAntillesThe hover style for the tabs at the top is confusing18:46
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GeneralAntillesHeader is way too tall.18:46
timelywnd: thanks, someone should spot it, but if you left a comment, i suppose i could hunt for it18:47
GeneralAntillesCopyright would work better in the actual footer.18:47
crashanddieerr, copyright *is* in the footer, that's just the form fucking it up18:47
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GeneralAntillesIt's not really much better on the other pages. :P18:48
GeneralAntillesThe text should really be on the left of the form fields.18:48
GeneralAntillesAlso, why not use a real © instead of (c)? :P18:49
wndtimely, leave a comment? I put "$ browser --url foo" as nitro's "how did I get here".18:49
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, drafting :P18:50
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, that's for the translation team :P18:50
GeneralAntillesI'd just change the text color for the hovers at the top and not the background too.18:51
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, will do18:51
timelywnd: ok, when i get around to vpn'ing, i'll go search for that, it shouldn't be too hard to spot18:52
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siddyzhi anyone available for help, i upgraded my nokia internet tablet n810 to the new diablo and i been trying to install pidgin and mplayer but i get e message saying theres no such package.19:03
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GeneralAntillessiddyz, try search google with the error message quoted and "diablo". :)19:03
siddyzok thank you19:03
GeneralAntillesIn summary, you need to add Chinook Extras to your application catalog.19:03
siddyzokay ill have a go at it thank you19:04
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pupniknobody ever did figure out why xkbd was borked with OS2008 did they19:08
qwerty12How many people tried to find out?19:08
jotthehe i read xkcd and thought "worksforme" ;)19:10
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pupnikmaybe it'll magically work in diablo19:10
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to distill the battery information Eero posted on the lists down into a short article on battery life killers.19:10
GeneralAntillesThe "battery life" thread on itT are really out of hand.19:11
johnxah, the emergence of a new cargo cult :)19:12
pupnikwiki page phps?19:12
GeneralAntillesSounds like a plan.19:13
GeneralAntillesI wish I could find that summary email.19:14
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johnxGeneralAntilles, the one about using strace to find apps polling?19:17
GeneralAntillesHe had a break down of pretty much all possible battery drains.19:17
GeneralAntillesIt was in one of the more recent threads.19:17
* johnx searches19:17
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johnxdefine "recent"19:20
johnxlast couple months? last couple days?19:20
GeneralAntillesLast month19:20
GeneralAntillesProbably on users19:21
johnxthat's what we're trying to find19:21
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, better like so: ?19:22
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GeneralAntillesAh, much better.19:22
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GeneralAntillesI'd personally put the copyright down in the gray footer on the bottom19:22
GeneralAntillesBut that's just me. ;)19:22
crashanddieit is supposed to be there19:23
crashanddiewhat are you seeing ?19:23
* qwerty12 sees it in the footer19:24
hfwilkeI'm seeing it about where GA is seeing it19:25
hfwilkeon windows19:25
crashanddieyeah, when I view it in fullscreen I notice it's not down there19:25
qwerty12Hmm, I'm using ff3 on windows and I can see the copyright in the grey area :/19:25
johnxGeneralAntilles, there are a lot of threads where eero talks about battery stuff, see if the one you want is here:;do=search_results;search_forum=forum_2;search_string=eero%20battery;search_type=AND&sb=post_time19:26
hfwilkecopyright stay the same distance from other elements of the form as I resize my window up and down19:26
hfwilkeI can get it in the gray area if I make my window short enough19:26
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GeneralAntilles"grey" isn't a valid CSS color, either.19:26
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ProteousGREY > GRAY19:27
Proteousall you "a" lovers can shove it19:27
ProteousE is the way to go!19:27
Proteousif you're cool that is19:28
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you'll note 954 errors come from a weird binary output :D19:28
Proteousand we all want to be cool now don't we?19:28
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, still not compliant via direct input.19:29
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GeneralAntillesCrap, johnx, I don't see it. :\19:31
GeneralAntillesMaybe I imagined it. . . .19:31
johnxI mean, there's a lot of good stuff19:31
johnxa couple months ago on dev he talks about attaching to processes with strace to see if they're polling19:31
johnxthat's easy enough for power users I think19:31
GeneralAntillesGood candidate for a wiki article, anyway.19:32
johnxthe big battery drain is probably modest dying in a bad way19:32
johnxI was seeing that a lot til I switched to chinook modest...19:32
GeneralAntillesModest, metalayer-crawler, corrupt cards and cpu-hungry home applets tend to be up there.19:32
johnxstatusbar applets19:32
GeneralAntillesI haven't seen that.19:32
johnxsome of the different CPU and load meters are likely a problem19:33
GeneralAntillesThough I don't really play with a lot of those.19:33
jottthough ltrace is more verbose than strace :)19:33
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johnxjott, all we need to see is whether it's doing something19:33
timelyGeneralAntilles: should we try to work on bugs.maemo?19:33
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jottyeah in the end an oprofile enabled kernel should clear out much more ;)19:34
GeneralAntillestimely, what'd you have in mind?19:34
qwerty12you can get an oprofile kernel from the diablo sdk repo :)19:34
timelywell, trying to flesh out enough from garage so that we could turn it on ;)19:34
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iDShi zap19:38
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crashanddievalidates now, you bastards :P19:39
GeneralAntillesWell, it validates. :P19:40
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GeneralAntillesCopyright is still in the wrong place, though.19:40
crashanddieyeah, I know, gimme a sec19:40
Jaffajott: really, Nokia should ship an oprofile enabled kernel so that a third party GUI version of powertop can be written to help (power-)users diagnose bad apps19:42
jottJaffa: there is an oprofile kernel available...19:42
GeneralAntillestimely, what about the template for the classifications when submitting new bugs? I'm thinking it should show a list of Maemo Software/Nokia/Website products then the Garage classification should be listed at the bottom (or top) and take you to a page of Garage products.19:43
qwerty12I thought powertop relies on timer stats.19:43
jottyeah it won't help for powertop19:43
timelythat sounds about right19:43
timelysadly, i can't remember when you can easily control sort order of classifications19:43
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timelyand i don't think i have local write access to bugzilla19:44
timelyso i don't think i can make such a template19:44
GeneralAntillesSomething to throw at guenther when he gets back from GUADEC19:44
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, better now ?19:44
GeneralAntillesClose, but the text is right up against the bottom of the darker gray line.19:45
crashanddiedamn you 285" screeners19:45
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GeneralAntillesHow's the gray at the bottom implemented?19:46
GeneralAntillestimely, this:
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, it's just a div and a <p>, but it relies on the floating sidebar19:47
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timelyGeneralAntilles: is the (c) supposed to be on gray or yellow? :)19:49
timely(or mixed...)19:49
timelyit's on yellow even on 1280x102419:50
timelyalthough, i tested it on dual that :)19:50
GeneralAntillesAh, I see.19:50
GeneralAntillesI though the footer styling was css.19:50
GeneralAntillesIt's an image.19:50
GeneralAntillesDo the footer in css19:51
GeneralAntillesThen have the copyright notice in that element.19:51
timelyhey, can i use google earth on an n800? :)19:54
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GeneralAntillesHas it been compiled for arm?19:55
qwerty12Isn't it in Java?19:55
timelyit isn't very fast on this eeepc19:55
timelyyou sure it isn't winPE?19:55
timelylooks like it's .so's19:56
timelyah, it's Qt19:56
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rm_youon a strcmp(a,b), what is == again? is it 0?19:57
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rm_youalso: lies! :P19:58
rm_you^^^ unrelated19:58
johnxthat would be a fun language, somefunc() returns s'true or lies!19:59
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lcukYes, No, FileNotFound is more common20:00
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lcukor rather True, False, FileNotFound.
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, good now ?20:02
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crashanddieno, not yet20:02
GeneralAntillesIt's not on the bottom of the page yet.20:02
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GeneralAntillestimely, what about something like this?
timelykinda possible20:08
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timelynote that Website and ITVC want to not really be in "Maemo Software"20:08
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GeneralAntillesHow hard is it going to be to move the existing website bugs if the website components get upgrades to products? :\20:08
timelyit's not really too bad20:09
timelythe complexity is affected by the version/tm matrix20:09
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timelyit's one move per version-tm pair20:09
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, probably want to set the content/body padding to only 20px on the top.20:11
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, check the footer, good for you ?20:12
GeneralAntilles#page { width: 978px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 20px 0; } should probably go padding: 20px 0 0 0;20:12
GeneralAntillesBut otherwise good20:12
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GeneralAntillesJust add a little padding onto the top of the copyright text.20:13
GeneralAntillesHrm, actually, the footer is always 10px off the bottom of the screen20:13
GeneralAntilleshave to scroll to it.20:13
lcukcrash, how broken should this site be20:14
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crashanddieI'm just trying shit out20:15
lcukno thats ok, but before it goes live you might want to sort out the font20:15
GeneralAntillesPoor crashanddie20:16
lcuki think the glyphs are all messed up, none of the words make sense :P20:16
GeneralAntillesbet he's wishing he never pasted that link. :P20:16
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crashanddieno that's fine, all input is welcome20:16
crashanddielcuk, how so ?20:16
lcukwell, im at a place where i assume its asking for a username and password, but it says "Adresse email :   Mot de passe :"20:17
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crashanddieand how is that wrong ?20:17
johnxthe whole world should be in english!20:18
GeneralAntillesIt's in French, duh! :D20:18
GeneralAntillesDamn you, johnx!20:18
crashanddielike I said, not my problem, that's for the translation team20:18
lcukthere is a real missing page anyway - click lost password20:18
lcukits 40420:18
lcukthe rest looks good though, gen is right the (C) is offpage20:19
lcukis that always wanted even if you resize the page?20:19
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crashanddielcuk, I started working on the interface this morning :P20:24
crashanddieso yeah, not everything's there yet20:24
crashanddieanyway, i gotta go make some food20:24
lcukcya later :)20:24
crashanddieand for the footer20:24
crashanddieit's starting to piss me off20:25
johnx~lart ISP firewalls20:25
* infobot beats ISP firewalls into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy20:25
lcukthe server my ISP is in the andromeda galaxy anyway20:25
johnxah, infobot, if only it were that simple...20:25
johnxso, how's the lag?20:26
* lcuk adds a uses20:26
qwerty12lcuk, do you recieve programmes from there too?20:26
johnxso, something like 2.53 million years of lag (assuming no crappy routers on the way)20:27
lcukjohnx, its really quick, only 42 years pingtime.20:28
johnxheh, you kids and your fancing quantum entanglement routers and wormholes20:28
lcuksod that, when i was a kid i sent out a ping message, still waiting for a reply20:29
lcuk* Received a CTCP PING 1215624541 from E.T.20:29
johnxyeah, but in plain old einstein physics, limited to C it should take you 5.06 million years or so after you send a ping to get a pong20:30
lcukshame einstein didnt know about c++20:30
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johnxbut we all know that c++ is slower than c...so20:31
johnxI guess tightly coded ASM is pretty much the fastest speed in the galaxy20:31
lcukbut its easier to get C wrong and end up falling into a black hole20:31
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johnxwell, yeah sure, but c++ will appear to work, then when you run it it'll end up going back in time to prevent you from being born20:33
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, ping.20:34
lcukjohnx, it cant prevent you from being born, but could relink itself so it ends up as its own parent20:34
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lbtlcuk: BTW, it's coArse - and I got the feeling you weren't old enough to remember the proper bounty adverts...20:35
lcukyou know how bad i am at spelling20:36
GeneralAntillesFor something that is seemingly so simple and straightforward on the surface, CSS is really a sonuvabitch to get to do what you want.20:36
lcuklbt, i also couldnt find the actual advert text to copy from20:36
lcukwas it a good retort though? :D20:37
lbtnot bad - needed piccies of the original bounty girls...20:37
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lbttimer - that's tea.... l8r20:37
lcukgoogle image search has some from i think newer adverts20:37
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zapX-Fade: how much time passes before my SSH key gets activated?20:44
lcukGeneralAntilles, how much trouble will i get into for annoying Benson in the forum?20:47
GeneralAntilles"Trouble"? :P20:48
johnxdefine: "annoying"20:48
johnxare we talking disagreement or purposeful harassment20:48
johnxand since I know you, I imagine the former :)20:48
GeneralAntillesOh, pfft.20:49
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johnxbleh, stupid problems call for stupid workarounds :/20:50
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* johnx serves up an sshfs mount over http20:51
* GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like creating a GNOME bugzilla account to see what their bug submission setup looks like.20:51
GeneralAntillesStupid GUADEC and Finnish holiday. . . .20:53
lcuki havent even started my holiday yet20:53
* johnx works on other peoples' holidays20:53
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zapIf I'm member of the extras group on garage, should I see it in the "My Projects" section on my page?20:59
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GeneralAntillesJaffa keeps depressing me with this stuff:
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GeneralAntillesHey, lardman. :)21:13
lardmanhi GeneralAntilles21:14
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lcukGeneralAntilles, someone in amongst your optimization post i know you thought of me :D21:18
lcuksomewhere ^21:19
GeneralAntillesWell, you, and Wozniak21:19
lcukwoz has an n8x0?21:20
johnxlcuk, :P21:20
lcuki thought he had a hacked iphone21:20
GeneralAntillesNah, I'm thinking arcade stuff back in the 80s. ;)21:21
johnxheck, even apple stuff was pretty crazy21:21
johnxwasn't the "floppy disk that couldn't seek to inside track" his trick?21:22
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dougtis there a AIM client for maemo?21:41
johnxpidgin and rtcomm beta come to mind21:41
johnxI haven't tried either recently21:41
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dougtany idea if they do video?21:42
johnxprobably neither21:42
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johnxamsn does video, but that's obviously not AIM21:42
dougtthat would be a pretty hot app.21:42
GeneralAntillesdougt, find yourself the Collabora repo on gronmayer.21:42
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GeneralAntillesInstall the account-plugin-haze and and telepathy-haze packages from that.21:43
GeneralAntillesThat'll give you AIM with the built-in chat client without having to take the rtcomm beta step.21:43
GeneralAntillesNo video, though.21:43
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leandroal /j #ols21:56
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cjohnsonIs there an alternative to pidgin for OS2008? Pidgin crashes quite often, taking the window manager with it and both destroying my desktop applets and resetting my status bar22:05
RST38hdoes not crash for me22:08
RST38hbut you can use rtcomm22:08
lcukoh no! i think i dugg myself down on my own profile page :S22:11
qwerty12_N800lol :p22:12
lcukwell i know what the box is for now, its a little ambiguous with no way of knowing what it does22:13
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lardmancjohnson: rtcomm22:16
cjohnsonlardman, do I need any special repos for it?22:16
lardmanhead to
lardmanand follow the instructions22:17
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GeneralAntillesIt's on
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GeneralAntillesDon't bother with the rtcomm beta22:17
lardmanor do it GeneralAntilles's way, but that confused me22:17
GeneralAntillesJust get the accounts-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze plugin from the Collabora repo.22:17
GeneralAntilleslardman, you install two packages. :P22:17
lardmanthe packages you want to install have strange names, I went with the easy route ;)22:17
lardmanI didn't know the names!22:18
RST38heasy route installs avahi22:18
lcukGeneralAntilles, i thought you wanted everything in extras and wanted to stop advertising others?22:18
RST38hbut I went the easy route as well22:18
cjohnsonWhere is the Collabora repo?22:18
lardmanzeroconf is good22:18
GeneralAntilleslcuk, meh, I can't fight every repo.22:18
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lcuksure you can.  you are the mighty GeneralAntilles.22:19
GeneralAntillesand it's one of those things that might conflict with system upgrades down the road.22:19
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GeneralAntillesMy "everything should be in Extras" mantra only applies to stuff that doesn't have a huge amount of breakage potential.22:19
cjohnsonJust to double check "chinook" for the distro (OS2008, not the diablo one though) and "user" components22:20
GeneralAntillesJust use the .install that's on there.22:20
* sp3000 used the diablo user bit22:21
* sp3000 hasn't actually tried using things since though22:21
* lcuk is still hung up on "breakage potential"22:21
RST38hGA: btw, found a UI bug with ui22:22
RST38hGA: Clicking on one's own name (when logged in) brings up the account settings, not the account information22:22
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RST38hThe account information appears to be inly accessible if you go to edit account settings then find a Profile in the path at the top of the page and click it22:23
lbtGeneralAntilles: I mentioned this this am but I don't think you were about... : ISTR people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable:
GeneralAntillesRST38h -> Bugzilla22:23
lcukand what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon :(22:23
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GeneralAntilleslbt, that would be the Nokia documentation team.22:24
GeneralAntillesI don't have any contact with them.22:24
GeneralAntillesI'll poke dneary about it, though.22:24
lbtah - thought you did22:24
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: sounds painfull for dave22:24
lcuklbt, gen *should* be22:24
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lcukhe does enough coordinating and writing "for the cause"22:25
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GeneralAntillesHey, Jaffa.22:25
GeneralAntillesHehe, my Nokia contacts are mostly limited to Maemo Software people in here. ;)22:25
lbtOK - I was just wondering about it for another project so thought I'd mention it... may not be appropriate - or it may be just the right hammer :)22:26
JaffaGeneralAntilles: sorry to depress you :-/. Re-reading the message, the grammar in there is atrocious.22:26
RST38hlcuk: "and what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon" <=== priceless22:26
lbtbollox : *** glibc detected *** /home/david/maemo/tst/src/shopper: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080a9d88 ***22:27
* lbt mutters something about java22:27
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lcuklive free or die hard?22:27
GeneralAntillesEh, it's still way ahead of the curve, Jaffa. :D22:27
cjohnsonGeneralAntilles, alright, installed both now. Is this meant to fix pidgin? Or enhance that built in client for the OS? or is it a new client?22:27
RST38h[automatically] javamustdie22:27
lcukRST38h, not my fault22:27
GeneralAntillescjohnson, it adds AIM/Yahoo/MSN support to the built-in chat client.22:28
JaffaGeneralAntilles: sorry, what is?22:28
GeneralAntillesThe grammar in that message.22:28
cjohnsonGeneralAntilles, perfect, awesome22:28
JaffaGeneralAntilles: oh, ta22:28
* Jaffa foods22:28
cjohnsonOh, crap, nevermind. apt-get install account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze returned this:
GeneralAntillesThat looks like a leftover from something else.22:29
lcukcjohnson, expand that a bit to include the whole action log from command line through please22:29
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lcuka couple of lines doesnt give great context22:30
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GAN800lol . . . MicroB stoll focus _5_ times while I was trying to type that.22:32
RST38hGA: Proper halo should hover22:32
cjohnsonSo, any idea what the install-tools bit is about?22:33
qwerty12_N800try apt-get clean && apt-get -f install22:34
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sp3000do you have space on / ?22:35
cjohnsonIt's got 1.5GB free I think22:35
qwerty12_N800dpkg --purge --force-all install-tools22:36
sp3000maybe the package has agoraphobia then :P22:36
cjohnsonqwerty12_N800, woo, no longer does it22:37
cjohnsonWhat is install-tools, anyway?22:37
qwerty12_N800something from penguinbait's stuff iirc22:37
cjohnsonah, yes.22:37
cjohnsonfor copying my os to the internal mc22:37
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cjohnsonOk, one last question...may be possible or not. Is there a way to lock the applets on my desktop? I've finally been able to position them all perfectly, as hard as it is with the stylus, but occasionally they get moved around accidentally22:38
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cjohnsonHrm, how do I actually chat using that built in client?22:41
cjohnsonI've added accounts but see no where for like a list of buddies22:41
GeneralAntillesContacts applet has everything22:42
GeneralAntillesor see the stuff in the application menu. . . .22:42
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cjohnsonThe accounts are connected, however the contact list says I have no contacts22:44
cjohnsonDo I have to tell it to download them from like the AIM server?22:44
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qwerty12_N800rm_you, thanks! :)22:49
rm_youthanks to jott joining the team, it now supports rotation :P and is like 100% more awesome22:50
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qwerty12_N800i'll set up rotation too as well :)22:50
cjohnsonSo, nobody knows? How can I actually chat using this? My contacts don't yet exist, is there something I must do to download them from the erver?22:50
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Xamuskso, is there some guide as to how to use those two targets (386 and ARMEL)?22:50
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rm_youcjohnson: did you already have buddies on that AIM account's list?22:51
rm_youlike, do they show up in Pidgin?22:51
cjohnsonrm_you, I have buddies attached to the AIM account, yeah22:51
cjohnsonrm_you, yeah, they do22:51
rm_youhrm weird22:51
cjohnsonrm_you, but not in the contact list after adding account-plugin-haze22:51
rm_youdunno, i only ever use pidgin on n800 :P22:51
cjohnsonlike I can manually add them and it works22:51
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rm_youwho else wants to beta test the new and improved advanced-backlight before it hits extras? :P22:52
cjohnsonrm_you, This is that status icon that replaces volume and backlight with a single dialog right?22:53
qwerty12_N800the adv-backlight team = awesome. i'm thankful your work is oss as it's much more like an nokia applet. dunno why nokia are such p***** when it comes to the source of their applets ».«22:53
cjohnsonI'll try it :D22:53
rm_youhaving jott on the team is going to help immensely :P22:54
rm_youplus, now you have THREE people to bug :P22:54
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cjohnsonAny special instructions since I already have it installed?22:54
rm_youi would recommend purging it22:54
rm_youif you are comfortable with terminal... dpkg --purge advanced-backlight22:54
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rm_youthen install it22:55
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qwerty12_N800rm_you, does it still  use dsmetool then? (i remember jott saying he traced dsme calls)22:55
rm_youwarning: don't use the rotation part yet :P22:55
rm_youqwerty12_N800: no, this version does it directly with dsme sockets22:55
qwerty12_N800aww, how come (about rotation)?22:55
rm_you<GeneralAntilles> Yes, the button that seems to have the A oriented for normal is set to whatever the current rotation is.22:55
rm_you<GeneralAntilles> So you can't get back to normal once you change it.22:55
rm_you<rm_you> lolpwnt22:55
qwerty12_N800cool :)22:55
rm_youthis is why its beta :P22:56
qwerty12_N800(i'd have just used xrandr though ;))22:56
rm_youlol yeah22:56
qwerty12_N800anyone intrested in mirroring that diablo package of mine :/22:58
lcukoh shit :(22:58
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rm_youI can do it22:58
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rm_youqwerty12_N800: link me22:58
rm_youi'll mirror it22:58
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, you should push rotation to Extra-devel.22:58
rm_youin two places :P22:58
qwerty12_N800rm_you, thanks, i'll search it up :)22:58
lcukdont you mean you'll rotate it22:58
GeneralAntillesYou can do a meta-package for it, right?22:58
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, hmm,  i'd find it a bit risky in extras (xserver + kernel gets replaced)22:59
GeneralAntillesNot Extras22:59
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GeneralAntillesIt's perfect there.22:59
rm_youLOL @ a .postinstall script that flashes the kernel :P22:59
cjohnsonHrm, my libglib2, libhildondesktop0, libhildonwm0, libosso1 packages are all not late enough versions. How can I update those?22:59
qwerty12_N800also i cheated with the deb package to keep osso-soft-version happy23:00
rm_youcjohnson: ah are you running diablo?23:00
cjohnsonrm_you, no, chinook23:00
lcukrm_you, why not, people have been suggesting doing something like that to get ubuntu on windows23:00
rm_youlcuk: lolwut?23:00
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, depend on osso-software-version-unlocked23:00
lcukrm_you, repalcing the windows kernel with upgraded ubuntu one ;)23:01
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, but i'd have no way of telling which device it's being installed on. -unlocked is model specific.23:02
cjohnsonrm_you, any suggestions for the dependencies?23:02
rm_youcjohnson: either upgrade to diablo (flash...) or give me a sec to fix it on my side23:02
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, hrm, can you do any sort of logic for dependencies?23:03
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rm_youcjohnson: can you do me a favor and tell me what version they ARE?23:04
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, Only thing I can think of is the "|" but that wouldn't help me much. i'll look at the debian packaging guide later.23:04
qwerty12_N800rm_you, thank you23:04
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, I guess you could do an N800 and N810 package if it came down to it.23:05
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qwerty12_N800True, I guess that would work.23:06
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GeneralAntillesAnyway, it's definitely something I think you should do. :P23:06
GeneralAntillesYou need to get over your fear of repositories, and that'd be a good first step. :D23:06
rm_youqwerty12_N800: and
rm_youfirst is prolly fastest23:08
qwerty12_N800rm_you, thank you very much :)23:09
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rm_youi have so much bandwidth i'm not using there...23:09
rm_youi can mirror all kinds of stuff >_>23:09
rm_you(as long as its legal :P)23:10
qwerty12_N800hehe, in that case, i have nothing else to offer :p23:11
qwerty12_N800I could easily upload to extras the xserver-xomap, jott's rotate plug-in (although I guess adv-backlight will be replacing it), libxrandr but the real fun starts with the kernel :/23:12
GeneralAntillesHrm, well, actually.23:13
GeneralAntillesThat would work well enough.23:14
GeneralAntillesHaving MOST of the parts in Extras is better than none of the parts.23:14
cjohnsonThe account-plugin-haze and/or telepathy-haze packages are messed up for me...for some reason I get the services added to my list of possible protocols and I am able to talk to people through them, but the icons for each protocol isn't installed (  and  have the icons I'm talking about...I ju23:14
cjohnsonst don't have those icons) plus my contact list isn't populated from the server (I have to manually add each of my already existing contacts). I've tried apt-get remove --purge account-plugin-haze & the same for telepathy-haze and reinstalling but I get the same results. Any ideas what's going on?23:14 that was a bit longer than I anticipated.23:15
GeneralAntillesGotta update the icon cache23:15
cjohnsonhow do I do that?23:15
rm_yougtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor23:15
GeneralAntillesRestarting is the other option. ;)23:16
rm_younot necessarily23:16
rm_youi restarted like 5 times and it never did it for me23:16
qwerty12_N800same here23:16
cjohnsonAnd for the contact list?23:16
GeneralAntillesWell, OK, it SHOULD reindex with a reboot.23:16
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rm_youit *doesn't* >_>23:16
cjohnsonIcons work now, thanks :D23:16
rm_youcjohnson / qwerty12_N800 / anyone:
rm_youincludes rotation fix (maybe?)23:17
cjohnsonrm_you, are the dependencies modified?23:17
qwerty12_N800i cannot test the rotation atm :)23:18
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* GeneralAntilles is scared to test rotation.23:18
rm_youits ok23:18
cjohnsonWill test in a moment23:18
GeneralAntillesinstalling. . . .23:18
GeneralAntillesHaven't seen any more volume crashes so far.23:19
cjohnsonAnybody have any suggestions for getting it get my contacts from the server?23:19
lcukis rotation a standard deb now?23:19
rm_youthe worst that could happen is that you and your entire family could be kidnapped by russians and held hostage for the world's biggest wheel of cheddar23:19
cjohnsonWhat is the IM client actually called?23:19
lbtooh rotation :)23:19
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lcuklbt :)23:19
rm_youbut that's very unlikely23:19
lbtShopper handles rotation :)23:19
lcukyour shopper will suit a different perspective23:19
siddyzGeneralAntilles thank you, it worked.23:19
lbt(well it did in 2007)23:19
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's just installing 4 or 5 debs.23:19
lcuk"handles" as in ui drawn rotated already?23:19
rm_youShopper? :P23:19
lcuki thought there was a kernel flash23:19
qwerty12_N800lcuk, if you count my 4 debs as standard :/23:19
lbtno - it works if you have xrandr23:19
qwerty12_N800there is23:19
lbtand I want to detect xrandr and trigger it23:20
lcukoh, qwerty12_N800 its your debs.  those are *never* standard :D23:20
lbtas appropriate23:20
* GeneralAntilles doesn't recall what he told siddyz to do.23:20
GeneralAntillesBut, uh, you're welcome. :)23:20
qwerty12_N800lcuk, :p23:20
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the kernel part is handled by a deb23:20
lcuklbt :) liqbase can load and render fonts at (so far) 0 and 90 degrees23:20
cjohnsonrm_you, nope, still unmet dependencies :(23:21
lcukthats good then, so its not a linux partition, running flasher with strange chants any more23:21
rm_youcjohnson: what now!? >_>23:21
GeneralAntillesNo change on rotation, rm_you.23:21
rm_youGeneralAntilles: :(23:21
GeneralAntillesActually, one sec.23:21
GeneralAntillesLet me make sure.23:21
rm_youit still greys one out?23:21
GeneralAntillesRotation fixed.23:22
lcukbut if rotation is a simple nobrainer process then ill strip out all the crap code and just roll with it23:22
GeneralAntillesThough I had already reloaded the applet. :D23:22
lbtrm_you: Shopper is my 'so remind me about C/C++/gtk/gtkmm/qt/dbus again' application23:22
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siddyzchinooks extar23:22
siddyzextras even23:22
rm_youlbt: no fair, i was making a shopping list app as my "so remind me about python/sqlite/gtk" application >_>23:22
lcuksome people write "hello world!" programs to test a language/device, lbt writes shopper ;)23:22
rm_youPyShop >_>23:23
lcukmmmmmmm pie23:23
rm_youexactly :P23:23
rm_youI love the name23:23
rm_youyou have a garage project?23:23
* lcuk makes a handwritten shopping list program23:23
* lcuk screws it up and throws it in the trolley after putting the bags away23:23
* cjohnson just writes his shopping list on paper and throws it away afterward...23:23
lbtnot yet - I have zaurusShopper on sourceforge23:24
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qwerty12_N800fuck, i opened the applet while installing and hildon-desktop shitted out on me >.<23:24
lcukcjohnson, :) mine is probably the closest to doing that of anything - ive got dinner order lists from weeks ago floating around in amongst all my diary entries23:24
rm_youWell.. I have a garage project already! so ha! :P23:24
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lcukits wonderful remembering just how many little things need 5 minute reminders23:24
rm_youqwerty12_N800: lol23:24
lcukso have i23:24
lcukand its open source :P23:25
lbtI thought I'd get it to do stuff - then register23:25
GeneralAntillesqwerty12's got to reset his spinner applets.23:25
rm_youI thought i'd come up with a name and register... THEN get it to do stuff :P23:25
* lcuk likes to doodle23:25
rm_youI wanted SVN first23:25
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lcuki thought i'd let david spend a few years building up his little shopper empire then grow it by adding rotation buttons and make it look like nokia dialog :P23:26
rm_youso in one day, we took advanced-backlight and completely merged it with a rotation applet, and it is already more stable (or so it seems) :P23:26
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cjohnsonrm_you, except it won't install for me :(23:26
GeneralAntillesrm_you, the icons don't really make sense for rotation, though.23:27
lcukyou know - we *should* be discussing methods to make *all* our software better23:27
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rm_youcjohnson: that's odd... give me a minute23:27
cjohnsonrm_you, sure23:27
timelydougt: gizmo supports video :)23:27
lcuklbt - ill take notes, you write a todo list, and rm, you just sit there on dim23:27
lcukGeneralAntilles, would you write the documentation for us all pretty please? :D23:28
GeneralAntillesrm_you, normal and inverted (the first and third buttons) need to be swapped and left and right (the second and fourth buttons) need to be swapped.23:28
GeneralAntilleslcuk, for what?23:28
rm_youerk k23:28
lcukall our softwares :D23:28
GeneralAntillesThe shopper application?23:28
cjohnsonrtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update?23:28
GeneralAntillesOh, anything?23:28
dougttimely: thanks..23:28
GeneralAntillesI'm pretty decent at it, I think.23:28
lcuki agree23:28
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, I was gonna offer to do a website for liqbase if you were interested.23:29
lbt together with usage guide23:29
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rm_youbah where is this pulling its depends from23:29
rm_youwhat generates advanced-backlight.substvars23:29
GeneralAntillestimely, adv-backlight finally has a proper container. :D23:29
lcuk:) i would be honoured GeneralAntilles, does the garage provide a bit of webspace or would i put it on a proper domain23:29
GeneralAntilleslcuk, create a www folder on svn23:30 will point there.23:30
lcukahhh ok23:30
GeneralAntillesYou can either give me commit access and I'll maintain it or I can just put it all together and hand maintenance off to you. Whichever suits you.23:30
lcukbut first - where has "openselectedlinks" firefox extension gone?  i upgraded to ff3 this week and its missing and has 16 funny pictures to click23:31
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timelygan: i think qwerty could have x-meta depends x-rx44 | x-rx34; x-rx44 depends 44meta23:31
lcuki'll get you committed23:31
GeneralAntillesSounds like a good plan, lcuk. :D23:32
lcuklbt, was the zaurus stylus based as well then or finger touch?23:32
rm_youlcuk: you're right... we SHOULD get GeneralAntilles committed :P23:32
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* rm_you kinda misses his collie23:32
lbtok 'Shopper' registration sent in...23:32
rm_youI used to use Shopper on my Z :P23:33
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lbtyep - collie based23:33
lcukit takes upto 48 hours23:33
lbtnice :)23:33
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lbtWell, you may find this somewhat familiar!!!23:33
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rm_younow... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars23:34
* lbt goes back to work23:34
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lcuklbt :) work is such a strange name for puzzle solving hobby23:34
qwerty12_N800rm_you, my expert analysis says. a process.23:34
lcukor a task23:35
* lbt is hungry 'cos he won't go shopping until it's done - and he's gonna run out of milk in the morning....!!! Eeek!!!23:35
rm_youlbt: yeah i was gonna do that23:35
rm_youthen i went three days with nothing but cheese and water23:35
rm_youand i gave up23:35
lbtmmm cheese23:35
lcukGeneralAntilles, i gather you have run and played with the released version23:35
rm_youone 2lb block of cheddar23:35
rm_youfor three days23:35
rm_youand water.23:35
lbtmmmm water!23:35
* lcuk is going to attempt something unheard of tonight. im gonna try and make a package!!!!23:36
GeneralAntilleslcuk, of liqbase? Whatever the last zip you tossed out was.23:36
lbtI made a package before I wrote any code - glad I did!!!23:36
* lbt goes back to work for real now23:36
lcuki dont even know if its possible on the device23:36
lcukcya later lbt23:36
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lcukok, back shortly - gen do you mind holding off until i make a package so its easier to do and you also have to apply for my project dont you23:37
GeneralAntillesWill do that.23:38
GeneralAntillesI'll start a draft23:38
qwerty12_N800arrgh! osso-statusbar-cpu + sp-error-visualiser = a *lot* of balloon popups >.<23:38
* lcuk rubs hands together23:38
GeneralAntillesBut I wont post anything until I get the go-ahead. ;)23:38
lcukwicked, thanks gen23:38
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lcukback soon (hopefully bearing .deb)23:38
rm_youentirely failing at changing the depends on my deb23:39
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lcukrm_you, how do you deal with versioning - does your application hold a version number inside it, or is it entirely done via the package23:39
qwerty12_N800lol, how'd you fail at that?23:39
rm_youlcuk: debian/changelog23:39
Xamuskso, what's the deal with the two targets in the sdk?23:39
rm_youit sets the version based on that23:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk, probably useful:
Xamusk386 and armel23:40
lcukso the application itself doesnt actually know what version it is23:40
lcukyer i know gen, this is before that though i think23:40
lcukty for link23:40
* lcuk wonders how to do an "about" screen which usually shows version number23:41
GeneralAntillesXamusk, 386 is for testing in scratchbox and armel is for deploying to the device.23:41
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qwerty12_N800lcuk, it wouldn't need to tbh, applets are designed to save space23:41
rm_youlcuk: just have to change it in two places23:41
XamuskGeneralAntilles, but in practice I can use both to develop?23:41
rm_youlcuk: put a #DEFINE or something23:41
GeneralAntillesXamusk, sure.23:41
XamuskGeneralAntilles, but how do I switch targets? my scratchbox defaults to armel23:42
lcukso, versioning is *urgh* manual?23:42
rm_youlcuk: pretty much23:42
lcukoh shi...23:42
rm_youtheres a command you're supposed to be using to update the changelog automatically for you23:42
rm_youbut i just do it by hand23:42
rm_younow... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars23:42
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you may want to keep some of fiferboy's packages on-hand for examples. He uses most of the dialogs and popups in Application manager at some point or another.23:43
lcukhmmm, ill go and see if i can get a build number incremented when i actually build23:43
rm_youlcuk: simple sed command should do it :P23:43
lcukGeneralAntilles, i cant use any standard dialogs in liqbase - on the overlay23:43
cjohnsonrtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update?23:44
GeneralAntillesrm, how's this for a start: ?23:44
rm_youwin? :P23:45
rm_youchange the last one to (probably?)23:45
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'll give you $5 per annum if you use slexy :P23:45
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Xamuskso, how do I change scratchbox targets?23:46
crashanddieyou're slow23:46
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, what is slexy?23:46
GeneralAntillesand why would I use it?23:46
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, pastebin service23:46
crashanddiejust cuz it's hawt23:46
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* GeneralAntilles shrugs23:47
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rm_you :P23:48
qwerty12_N800lcuk, is a good one to look at too23:48
GeneralAntillesrm_you, think of any I'm missing?23:48
GeneralAntillesOh, internal stuff23:49
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GeneralAntillesFix the buttons for rotation so I can start grabbing screenshots.23:51
rm_youswap them you mean?23:51
rm_youwhich ones again?23:51
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GeneralAntillesswap left and right with each other, then swap normal and inverted with each other23:51
GeneralAntilles1st <-> 3rd, 2nd <-> 4th23:51
rm_younot 100% sure HOW but i'll try23:52
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: you about?23:57
qwerty12_N800lardman, yeah23:57
lardmanqwerty12_N800: how do you build the N810 kernel as opposed to the N800 kernel?23:57
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qwerty12_N800lardman, stock kernel?23:58
lardmanyeah, just doing the dvfs patch for the DSP23:58
rm_youGeneralAntilles: ok here comes a RANDOM shot in the dark...  i guarantee NOTHING! :P23:58
GeneralAntillesI demand EVERYTHING!23:58
GeneralAntillesWe're a perfect pair! :D23:59
lardmanqwerty12_N800: I was going for a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d" as there's a debian dir23:59
lardmanqwerty12_N800: though I've just got an error from doing that: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files23:59

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