| jott | lcuk: at least it's in the c-base so you can grab a beer before your talk ;) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | heh jott, i need one after last time | 00:00 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 00:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414 is mildly interesting if you haven't already picked up on it. | 00:00 |
| lcuk | right, vanishing again. theres codin' to be done | 00:01 |
| qwerty12 | I still can't get over that suggested fix. | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, interesting approach. . . . | 00:02 |
| qwerty12 | (fix in the loosest sense of the word) | 00:02 |
| JamieBennett | love the bug title ;) | 00:05 |
| qwerty12 | I like how mc shortens down folder names. ~/.background-cache becomes /.back-ache (which isn't far from the truth actually :( ) | 00:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, thanks. ;) | 00:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I'd be scared if my tablet could walk :/ | 00:06 |
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| JamieBennett | jaffa: thanks for the email :) | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | no probs. travel sorted too now; arriving Berlin at about 20:10 | 00:08 |
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| JamieBennett | Trying to get the whole week in Berlin sponsored by my company as its relevant to what I do but its a bit of a struggle. If not I'll be there for the summit only unless Nokia have a deal with OSim for use to attend that too. | 00:10 |
| JamieBennett | s/use/us | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | fairy snuff | 00:12 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 00:12 |
| JamieBennett | or furry muff as we apparently say down here (I'm a Northerner lost down South) | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | ditto | 00:13 |
| qwerty12 | yay, i'm not the only one :p | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Although, Rugby's not that far south - I only have to suffer work in London | 00:13 |
| qwerty12 | (yorkshire man in london) | 00:13 |
| JamieBennett | So where is the UK contingent from here? | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Macclesfield (nr. Manchester | 00:14 |
| JamieBennett | qwerty an fellow Yorkshire man, I''m a Bradford lad 'born and bred' | 00:14 |
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| qwerty12 | hey, i'm from Halifax, born there but got moved to London at 2 years of age >.< | 00:15 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 00:15 |
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| qwerty12 | still got a very slight Yorkshire accent though :D | 00:16 |
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| JamieBennett | I moved to Bath some 8 years ago. When I travel back to see friends and family I'm regarded as 'the posh one' :D | 00:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Lol :D | 00:17 |
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| JamieBennett | My wife is from Bath and when I first took her to Bradford she always used to wisper in my ear "what did her/she just say?" | 00:18 |
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| JamieBennett | s/wisper/whisper | 00:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Haha, come on, our accent isn't that bad! :p | 00:20 |
| JamieBennett | I swear, it was like taking the mrs to another country and trying to translate for her! | 00:20 |
| JamieBennett | I'm glad I wasn't Scottish! ;) | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:21 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, my Scottish Science teacher gets laughed at when shouting at people :p | 00:21 |
| qwerty12 | Gets him more annoyed, heh | 00:22 |
| JamieBennett | :D | 00:22 |
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| hellwolf | Is the source code of the bootloader of N800( called FIASCO?) available? | 00:34 |
| jott | no | 00:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bootloader is NOLO | 00:36 |
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| hellwolf | Well, I got the idea of how the kernel get the mtd partition information, as I dug into the code, it's passed by the bootloader as special tags(boot parameter for arm linux). So I wonder how could I change the bootloader behavior if I want to change partition layout. | 00:38 |
| hellwolf | GeneralAntilles, thanks, so what does FIASCO mean? With ./flasher-3.0, I got something like : --fiasco, -F <arg> Location of a FIASCO image | 00:40 |
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| JZA | hi can the n800 run crond? | 00:40 |
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| JZA | anyone here? | 00:47 |
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| Toba | no | 00:48 |
| Toba | not now and not ever | 00:48 |
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| johnx | JZA, yes, it can. do you have scratchbox to build packages? | 00:51 |
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| JZA | johnx: no, I thought that there was some technical reason why there was no crond on iit | 00:52 |
| JZA | orr at or any tiime-aware app, by chikoroot they had alarmd so I guess they fix something | 00:52 |
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| JZA | so I guess the answer is nobody has done it yet | 00:53 |
| JZA | johnx: second question | 00:53 |
| JZA | would diablo run on n770? | 00:53 |
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| ||cw | JZA: is there an ARM port? | 00:55 |
| JZA | ||cw: I see, so the reason is because they are different processors... see I didn't know that | 00:55 |
| JZA | i thought n800 used the ARM too | 00:55 |
| lardman | the hw is different, if not the processor | 00:56 |
| johnx | JZA, I've compiled cron before...I can send you a package if you trust me :) | 00:56 |
| lardman | and the 770 is slower | 00:56 |
| johnx | but it apparently tends to hurt battery life | 00:56 |
| johnx | waking up the CPU all the time just to check whether it should be run | 00:56 |
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| ||cw | oh, if it runs in the 800, it will just need recompiled, it is a different ABI, but it's all still ARM | 00:56 |
| JZA | lardman so changing to diablo is not recomendable? | 00:56 |
| johnx | ||cw, it's the same ABI as long as it's EABI | 00:56 |
| JZA | ||cw: oh ok. | 00:56 |
| lardman | JZA: is it possible? Is there a "hackers' edition" for the 770? | 00:57 |
| JZA | johnx: E stand for estatic? | 00:57 |
| JZA | lardman: there certainly was | 00:57 |
| ||cw | doesn't maemo have an alarm api in the platform where the firmware itself does the event? | 00:57 |
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| lardman | JZA: for chinook yes, not sure there's a Diablo version yet though | 00:57 |
| JZA | lardman I see | 00:58 |
| johnx | JZA, I don't actually remember what it stands for, but google for ARM EABI for info | 00:58 |
| lardman | ||cw: the firmware isn't that bright, it will be the kernel that does it | 00:58 |
| lardman | ||cw: and the omap doesn't have a very long timer iirc | 00:58 |
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| JZA | well thanks for theinfo, I now know more about whats up | 01:00 |
| zap | JZA: I think it should be possible to use Debian crond for armel architecture | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | lardman, i thought it was endianness | 01:01 |
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| johnx | zap, it is possible. I used mud-builder to compile cron with only a tiny change to the source package | 01:01 |
| lardman | lcuk: what is? | 01:01 |
| lardman | EABI? | 01:01 |
| zap | johnx: I was meaning to use the binary packages, without recompile | 01:02 |
| lardman | That's the calling structure, which registers are used for which args, etc | 01:02 |
| lcuk | yer | 01:02 |
| lardman | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 01:02 |
| lcuk | i just took it that this device used it and it was incompatible with compilations for ARM because of endian issues | 01:02 |
| * lcuk shouldnt make assumptions | 01:02 | |
| lardman | no, all ARM devices that I know of use littleendian | 01:03 |
| lardman | which isn't many, but the Zaurus and ITs at least | 01:03 |
| lcuk | ty for clarifcation. i feel silly now | 01:03 |
| lardman | np | 01:03 |
| lardman | don't worry, I feel silly a lot of the time too :) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | shame i cant have a sig in here | 01:04 |
| zap | lardman: ARM PocketPCs all are little-endian | 01:04 |
| lcuk | my slash one is bang on | 01:04 |
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| johnx | zap, actually there was a packaging issue. Debian postinst relies on some grep feature I believe that isn't present in busybox grep or something similar. | 01:04 |
| zap | lardman: I believe that's because windoz is a little-endian OS | 01:04 |
| lardman | zap: great, my all encompassing statement was nearly true :) | 01:04 |
| johnx | some routers and networked hard drives running linux are big-endian | 01:05 |
| johnx | the NSLU2 comes to mind, IIRC | 01:05 |
| lardman | most things are little endian aren't they (even if they can be either like the ARMs), probably familiarity | 01:05 |
| johnx | but it might be switchable (?) | 01:05 |
| lardman | johnx: is that ARM? | 01:05 |
| johnx | yes | 01:05 |
| zap | johnx: yep, the limitations of busybox tools always disappointed me | 01:05 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting, I wonder why they chose bigendian? | 01:06 |
| johnx | zap, in this case a trivial modification solves the problem | 01:06 |
| zap | Asus WL-XXX wifi routers are little-endian ARM as well | 01:06 |
| zap | oops, MIPS | 01:06 |
| johnx | busybox is limited but it's also really small | 01:06 |
| zap | johnx: I understand the reasons why Nokia used it, but I would like to have at least the option to replace it with coreutils :) | 01:07 |
| johnx | yeah, not being replaceable is a pain | 01:07 |
| zap | on the other hand, such developers will start producing incompatible packages | 01:07 |
| johnx | especially since angstrom solved that problem long ago | 01:07 |
| zap | indeed | 01:07 |
| lardman | How do I produce one of those banners in the GUI? | 01:08 |
| zap | and you are right, at least on PXA endianess is switchable in software, IIRC | 01:08 |
| lcuk | is the nokia linux experience on par with the zaurus devices? speed wise and capabilities - or are nokia still lagging, or at least not advanced as much as expected? | 01:08 |
| lardman | zap: at boot time though | 01:08 |
| zap | lardman: which exactly | 01:08 |
| lardman | the ones which come up and say "searching..." and the like | 01:08 |
| zap | tooltips, ugh | 01:09 |
| johnx | lcuk, the zaurus was a different beast for a lot of reasons. Sharp didn't really maintain and update the OS they shipped, so the community contributed a couple competing distributions | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any German speakers want to give me a rundown on what's covered here? http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=3406386 | 01:09 |
| lcuk | gen, is that the quim interview | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 01:10 |
| lcuk | very brief overview on itt http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21717 | 01:10 |
| JZA | lardman sorry back, well back in the N770 days, we used to use the slackarm repos to install stuff | 01:10 |
| zap | johnx: also Sharp 'forgot' to provide the source code for a couple of important drivers, which stuck most usable distributions to 2.4.18 & 2.4.20 kernels | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'd like another source other than benny. | 01:10 |
| lcuk | yer, just helping others out as well | 01:10 |
| JZA | lardman I wonder why we lost NFS when we change from N770 to N800 also Xvnc (vncserver) | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, thanks. ;) | 01:10 |
| lardman | JZA: yep, the ABI has changed, you could use OE + bitbake now if you wanted | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "N770"? | 01:11 |
| lardman | JZA: developers drifted away probably | 01:11 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: be gentle | 01:11 |
| zap | how we lost NFS? | 01:11 |
| JZA | zap well we used to have an nfs-server and now we don't | 01:12 |
| zap | (if NFS is network file system, not need for speed, that is) | 01:12 |
| zap | hmm | 01:12 |
| zap | do we really need it? | 01:12 |
| johnx | anyways, headed to sleep | 01:12 |
| * zap is happy with nfs client on n8xx | 01:12 | |
| lcuk | speed? hell yeah | 01:12 |
| johnx | 'night all | 01:12 |
| lcuk | night johnx | 01:12 |
| JZA | zap of course, I love to stream my media from the server | 01:12 |
| lardman | night johnx | 01:12 |
| JZA | zap nfs was IT without latency | 01:12 |
| zap | JZA: do you need NFS server for that? | 01:12 |
| lardman | zap: no not tooltips, the messages on maemo | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, Nokia Internet Tablets might soon use Qt said Quim Gil from Nokia to WebStandard, when talking about future possibilities and possibly a community opening | 01:13 |
| JZA | zap I do if i dont want latency | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, my german is rusty, at best | 01:13 |
| JZA | performance was much better | 01:13 |
| zap | lardman: I had the impression those are tooltip objects, just anchored to statusbar | 01:13 |
| JZA | zap much better than http or samba, I think because the buffer | 01:13 |
| zap | JZA: still, I don't see how you would use NFS server on N8xx to *read* data from your server | 01:13 |
| lardman | zap: oh, they might be, I'll do a search (I just want some easy debugging output) | 01:13 |
| zap | lardman: use printf, man :) | 01:14 |
| JZA | zap I mount the server folder and execute the video from the n800 and have all my movies straight away... I migrate to mediaserv now but still I dont want to download it to the n800 I just want it to play | 01:14 |
| lardman | If I have to do GUI, I want GUI debugging output! ;) | 01:14 |
| zap | JZA: so you actually want the NFS client, not server? | 01:15 |
| lardman | HildonBanner | 01:15 |
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| JZA | zap sure of course I could sync my folders through nfs but really I can do that with rsync | 01:16 |
| * zap is lost | 01:16 | |
| zap | what has syncing to do with listening to your media over network? | 01:17 |
| JZA | zap of course I didnt needed the nfs server | 01:17 |
| zap | ok then, what stops you from using nfs client today? | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | could you please use some kind of punctuation after the nickname of the person you're talking to ? | 01:17 |
| JZA | zap not sure there are packages, or kernel module support | 01:17 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: the post of benny is quite accurate wrt to the article.. | 01:17 |
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| JZA | zap before there were packages and kernel builds with native nfs support | 01:18 |
| jott | basically it's "all not certain" at the moment ;) | 01:18 |
| * zap checks | 01:18 | |
| crashanddie | JZA, and yes, that was directly aimed at you | 01:18 |
| JZA | huh | 01:18 |
| JZA | well now I am on the n800 and I found the rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules | 01:19 |
| JZA | interesting | 01:19 |
| zap | JZA: indeed, NFS is not built into the kernel | 01:19 |
| zap | aha | 01:19 |
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| zap | somebody compiled them already | 01:19 |
| zap | I just thought it shouldn't be too hard to do it | 01:19 |
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| * zap finally got his hands on osso-xterm | 01:21 | |
| JZA | zap: actually is a pile of dependency, libwrap0, portmap, and nfs-common | 01:22 |
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| zap | I hope it just works | 01:22 |
| lardman | hmm, worrying that: maemo-barcode.c:46:21: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory | 01:23 |
| jott | lardman: $(pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags) | 01:23 |
| jott | as gcc option | 01:23 |
| JZA | I also wanted that maemo app Xournal | 01:23 |
| jott | add a --libs fwiw | 01:23 |
| lardman | yeah, just trying to work out why my Makefile hasn't managed that | 01:23 |
| zap | maemo-barcode? Is there a bar code reading app for maemo? | 01:23 |
| JZA | but couldn't get a package for chinook | 01:24 |
| lardman | zap: one day | 01:24 |
| zap | JZA: xournal is available | 01:24 |
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| JZA | zap: I can;t remember why I couldnt find it on my repo | 01:24 |
| JZA | i did an update I think | 01:24 |
| zap | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/x/xournal/xournal_0.4.2.1-1chinook4_armel.deb | 01:24 |
| lcuk | you have got libgtk2.0-dev installed? | 01:24 |
| JZA | zap umm that didnt work :p | 01:26 |
| lardman | hope so, this is scratchbox | 01:26 |
| JZA | I guess the problem was a different one | 01:26 |
| zap | JZA: you just have to set up maemo extras properly | 01:26 |
| lardman | jott: so you reckon to add --libs? | 01:27 |
| lardman | pkg-config --cflags hildon-libs => Package hildon-libs was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 01:27 |
| jott | lardman: --libs is for linking but if you do all in one pass add the --libs | 01:28 |
| jott | hildon-1 | 01:28 |
| lardman | I'm wondering why pkg-config doesn't work | 01:28 |
| jott | lardman: what does not work? check /usr/lib/pkgconfig/*.pc for what it supports.. | 01:29 |
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| lbt | lcuk: writes xml to file, reads xml.... getting there :) | 01:29 |
| lcuk | :) brutal! | 01:29 |
| lbt | anyway - night all - maybe wiki tomorrow.... | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | gnite lbt | 01:29 |
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| lardman | jott: thanks, wrong names in the tutorial then | 01:29 |
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| zap | how to launch a gui app from scratchbox? Launched xephyr, dbus-daemon, now what? | 01:30 |
| lcuk | jott, for future reference for me, pkg-config is the default goto guy for most "standard" library usage then? | 01:31 |
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| lardman | lcuk: it gives cflags required for each library | 01:31 |
| jott | lcuk: in a nutshell yes, though this is usually handled by the buildsystem | 01:31 |
| jott | i.e. cmake/autotools abstract this | 01:32 |
| lcuk | yes, thanks, when i grow into a full system that will be more useful | 01:32 |
| jott | zap: run-standalone.sh appname | 01:32 |
| zap | aha | 01:32 |
| jott | zap: and af-sb-init.sh start | 01:33 |
| jott | to start the hildon desktop | 01:33 |
| zap | cool | 01:33 |
| zap | but the main menu contains strings like "home_ap_home_view" & such | 01:34 |
| zap | I guess it misses some localization files | 01:34 |
| jott | zap: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf | 01:34 |
| jott | you might want to check the manual :) | 01:34 |
| zap | thanks | 01:34 |
| zap | indeed :) | 01:34 |
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| zap | by the way, wimax edition uses a different chip? | 01:39 |
| zap | or just different wifi firmware :) | 01:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, it's an N810 with a WiMAX radio slapped on. | 01:39 |
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| zap | is it rx48? | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 01:42 |
| zap | hmm, why there's no osso-software-version-rx48 in repositories then | 01:42 |
| zap | only 34 & 44 | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it hasn't been released yet. | 01:43 |
| zap | I thought it was release in April | 01:44 |
| zap | but it seems that was only the presentation | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, no. | 01:44 |
| lardman | hmm, I guess I should update my SDK, how do I tell my scratchbox version? | 01:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Find a microphone and scream "WHAT IS MY SCRATCHBOX VERSION?!" into it. | 01:45 |
| lardman | Tried that already | 01:46 |
| lardman | the echo sounded like Apophis | 01:46 |
| jott | lardman: cat /etc/osso_software_version for infos on the sdk rootstrap | 01:47 |
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| lardman | jott: Thanks, I think I'll just download the whole shebang again, doesn't look like it'll do an inplace upgrade | 01:48 |
| lardman | I tell a lie | 01:48 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, I completely removed scratchbox and the whole shazang | 01:48 |
| jott | lardman: yeah just setup a new target and fetch the rootstrap from the mameo site.. | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | lardman, though, I did save my home dir | 01:49 |
| lardman | I'll try in the inplace, now I've found the right section :) | 01:49 |
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| zap | What means "public marketing release package"? | 01:54 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | scratchbox shat itself | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 01:55 |
| infobot | pong | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time to change its diaper? | 01:56 |
| ljp | 6nope. no diaper. it was naked | 01:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles hands crashanddie a mop. | 01:57 | |
| crashanddie | ljp is right on that one | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | my dns just runs in the garden, stupid thing never even wanted a decent meal, only eating the plants, and the neighbour's children | 02:00 |
| lcuk | and then shits on the rug | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | well, I have to admit, when I'm updating its entries, the hygiene problem can be daunting | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | but well, it's only bit-shit, so it doesn't smell all that bad | 02:01 |
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| zap | ugh | 02:18 |
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| zap | anybody knows in which packages I can find the translation messages for hildon-desktop? | 02:18 |
| zap | for some reason I see the untranslated "tana_fi_games" and alike | 02:19 |
| lardman | night chaps | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | \o | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's a fast /quitter. | 02:19 |
| lcuk | its like when he goes afk in daytime | 02:19 |
| lcuk | the guy out of xkcd jumping about everywhere and having his hat nicked. thats how i see lardman in his life. bounding over the table whilst typing afk in midair | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | heh | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | When I think of GeneralAntilles, I see the journalist from Stalingrad | 02:22 |
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| lcuk | i think of john wayne. | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | John Wayne | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:24 |
| lcuk | n8x0 in gun holsters for the quickdraw | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | The typical american cowboy stereotype. . . . | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | I don't know how I picture lcuk | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | Oh, I know | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | When I think of lcuk I think of Reese in Torchwood | 02:25 |
| lcuk | .|.. go fuck yourself i aint no fat welsh git!!! | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | hahahahaha | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | that wasn't meant as an insult | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | that's just... How I represent ya | 02:26 |
| lcuk | haha | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | No | 02:26 |
| lcuk | good job i havent said anything about you yet | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | Not even | 02:26 |
| lcuk | but you read BOFH don't you | 02:26 |
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| lcuk | if not, go read a load and tell me which ones you | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | Thinking of it | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | I think I'd rather see you as Carson Beckett | 02:28 |
| lcuk | no, its ok you've spoken your mind now | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | I've always *loved* that character | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | PFY ? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | That would be me, right ? :P | 02:29 |
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| crashanddie | for real ? That's how you picture me ? | 02:30 |
| lcuk | i only realised a couple of years ago that i wasnt the pfy anymore | 02:30 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | fuck you | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | that's it, I'm canceling my tickets to berlin | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor crashanddie. | 02:31 |
| lcuk | cool, more beef for everyone :D | 02:32 |
| lcuk | beer ffs | 02:32 |
| * lcuk hits himself with a dictionary | 02:32 | |
| crashanddie | to bad you won't have a highly trained evangelist to help you out when assaulted by questions | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | too** | 02:32 |
| lcuk | i think you will find the pfy isnt looked down on too badly :) afterall, hes managed to last this long | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | Here I stand before you, Evangelist CrashandDie, from the Oeuvre Totaly Absolut | 02:34 |
| * lcuk tells crashanddie's uni what the real reason for needing 5GB of storage on the server was for | 02:35 | |
| crashanddie | And now O kings, be ye wise. Be admonished, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He grow angry, and ye perish in the way for His wrath may quickly kindle. | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | did we get some static? i see letters but none make sense | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you'll find that I installed the servers at uni, and I have root access to anywhere I want :P | 02:37 |
| lcuk | exactly my point :P | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | And it was not 5GB, but a 128Gb usb dongle that serves as backup | 02:38 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:39 |
| ol_schoola | as a retired BOfH, i'm going to have to go with lcuk's call | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh ouch | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, though, in the words of someone I deeply respect "I never would" | 02:40 |
| ol_schoola | on a different note, just got back from a shoot in Colorado and left the MacBook at home | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | so when I say backup, it truly is backup | 02:40 |
| ol_schoola | n8x0 + N95 = total freedom | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | ol_schoola, feels good eh | 02:41 |
| ol_schoola | OMG^3 | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | Yeah... I know it kinda struck me too when I was on the go the first few times, just with my NIT, but still able to do everything I wanted/needed | 02:41 |
| ol_schoola | felt really bad checking the email while we pulled out of the Arkansas Rv for a smoke break | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | Checking your emails on the NIT is like smoking... You do it everywhere you shouldn't, at the worst possible moments, and everytime you think "I shouldn't, but the hell with it" | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 02:43 |
| lcuk | ive never had a laptop to take out and about, and im only getting used to carrying this, but i can whip it out, play around, hack at source compile and be playing with altered version before the kettle has boiled | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | there's only one thing that bothers me with the NIT | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | the lack of a | on the keyboard | 02:43 |
| lcuk | remappable easily i believe | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | yeah, it is | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | but still | 02:44 |
| lcuk | tab is worse for me | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | tab too | 02:44 |
| jott | tab is also easy remappable :) | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | but tab and pipe, you'd think the guys at Nokia would think of those... | 02:44 |
| lcuk | khertan added a tab icon on left of pygtkeditor for this reason - when we were asking him he only had an 800 and didnt realise how important it would be | 02:44 |
| jott | crashanddie: the layout is for enduser | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | I mean... There's a YEN SIGN on the keyboard FFS ! I don't even have a YEN sign on my fullblown laptop keyboard | 02:45 |
| jott | i.e. hardware department are no linux guys ;) | 02:45 |
| ol_schoola | hadn't noticed as i don't use it to shell around or build (yet) | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The people who want to txt ther friends. | 02:45 |
| ol_schoola | but have gotten really attached to the folding BT mini-keyboard | 02:45 |
| jott | people needing a | are usually able to find out how to remap a keyboard layout | 02:46 |
| lcuk | no shell, but c code needs both (formatting and or) | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, shush, people are gonna yell and tell you "should've used python, HA" | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | but wait, python needs tab too, no ? | 02:46 |
| jott | {} is even more important for c code ;) | 02:46 |
| lcuk | python NEEDS tabs more than me | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 02:47 |
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| * crashanddie stfu | 02:47 | |
| jott | you could always use space to indent ;) | 02:47 |
| lcuk | the language works on indenting | 02:47 |
| lcuk | not really jott, it looks bad | 02:47 |
| lcuk | khertan solved it anyway, tab is in reasonable place | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | where ? | 02:47 |
| lcuk | bottom left of screen, about where f1 is on a big keyboard in relation to the keys | 02:48 |
| jott | i got mine on fn+return | 02:48 |
| jott | and much more changes to make it usable ;) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | when im doing major work i use this keyboard or my apple bt which has both | 02:48 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, you have an apple bt keyboard ? | 02:48 |
| lcuk | ye | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | heh :) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | ah | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | Which one ? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | small thin book sized one | 02:49 |
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| crashanddie | The sexy metal one ? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | yer, its lovely | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | yeah, have that one too for the PS3 | 02:49 |
| lcuk | its got deceptively big keys and is easy to type on | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | I gotta say, writing emails on a 42" screen in your couch is comfy as hell | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | but not great for privacy :-° | 02:50 |
| lcuk | if you hold your n810 a few inches from the face you get the same effect (as long as you control the crosseyed ;)) | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | nope | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | n810 screen is 15:9 | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | :D | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | plus | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you don't get 1920x1080 on the n810 :P | 02:52 |
| lcuk | i couldnt see that high resolution from across the room anyway | 02:52 |
| * lcuk should upgrade his eyes to HD | 02:53 | |
| bex | i wonder if this would work with the n800: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/video/a29b/ | 02:53 |
| lcuk | "as long as it supports NTSC out" | 02:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles loves the HD decoding screencaps from the Beagle. | 02:53 | |
| bex | does it? | 02:53 |
| lcuk | i think someone mentioned a USB framebuffer | 02:53 |
| lcuk | no | 02:53 |
| bex | oh | 02:53 |
| lcuk | no tv out at all | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP2420 has tv out | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just not hooked up | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that'll change for the next device. . . . | 02:54 |
| bex | you could watch porn anywhere and nobody would know | 02:54 |
| lcuk | is that the nvidia one GeneralAntilles? | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nvidia sucks, lcuk. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have no Linux support. | 02:54 |
| * lcuk lobs rocks at the hornets nest | 02:55 | |
| lcuk | :D you get so defensive about that GeneralAntilles its wicked | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | What ? My 7400 isn't supported under Linux? ZOMG | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just going to get meaner each time you bring it up. ;) | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, for the Tegra | 02:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They've said that they don't plan on Linux support. | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Windows Mobile is the focus" | 02:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Besides, it's a stinky ARM11 core | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing impressive. | 02:56 |
| lcuk | im impressed :) you have done your homework at least. | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | he doesn't do anything else | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I usually do. ;) | 02:57 |
| lcuk | ok GeneralAntilles, next gen: what should we expect (serious) im in a mood for thinking of the future | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649 | 02:58 |
| lcuk | is that another range of dark blue boxes for us to stare at and dream of drivers? | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No more LCD bandwidth issues for a start. ;) | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watch the Beagle stuff if you're interested in getting a glimpse at the kind of power we'll be working with. | 02:59 |
| lcuk | yer, agreed that beagle looks good | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hint, the Beagle runs fine on 1024x768 | 03:00 |
| lcuk | was looking at linuxtag, very impressive desktop capable system | 03:00 |
| lcuk | i bet we will be able to connect straight into the box with a kvm type arrangement | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both Beagle and Pandora are working towards OpenGL. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP3 docs are MUCH more open than the OMAP2 stuff. | 03:01 |
| lcuk | working towards? i would have thought it was sorted | 03:01 |
| lcuk | drivesr+opengl es+bumpy goodness | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it's mostly licensing stuff at this point from what I gather. | 03:01 |
| lcuk | aint that the same now? | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really. | 03:01 |
| lcuk | that concerns me for the same reasons | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are lots of people ACTIVELY working towards getting good Linux drivers for OMAP3 | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | TI people | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beagle is a TI project. | 03:02 |
| lcuk | yer, i bet i could digup info from before 800 | 03:02 |
| lcuk | saying same thing | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not comparable | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP2's Linux support is basically covered by the tablets and only the tablets. | 03:03 |
| lcuk | no | 03:03 |
| lcuk | montevista was first wasnt it | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, sure, but that doesn't ship on anything OMAP2 | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | TI's targeting the Linux embedded space very heavily with OMAP3 | 03:03 |
| lcuk | yes it did | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP35xx stuff is pretty much ENTIRELY targeted at small-scale embedded Linux operations. | 03:03 |
| lcuk | yer, they did exactly the same thing with 2 | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There weren't any Pandoras or Beagles for OMAP2 | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Show me another OMAP2-based Linux device besides the tablets. ;) | 03:04 |
| lcuk | the price might have been higher but theres been dev boards for as long as there have been chips | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | For something more concrete, compare the docs from TI for OMAP2 and OMAP3 | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dev boards don't count. | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm talking real devices. | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | arent most of the docomo 3g phones omap2 embedded | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the hardware reasons for not shipping drivers have been removed, and the incentive has gone way up for Nokia. | 03:05 |
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| lcuk | and they have been available in the east for a lot longer than over here | 03:06 |
| lcuk | 2006: http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800445706_1800005_NT_3ec05cc2.HTM | 03:06 |
| jott | still the 3d core is not from ti :/ | 03:06 |
| jott | hm do the gl driver actually run on the beagle board now? :p | 03:07 |
| lcuk | jott, you were with us when we saw the beagles | 03:07 |
| jott | yeah | 03:07 |
| lcuk | they had a 3d screensaver thing when we arrived i think | 03:07 |
| jott | and they had no 3d driver .. | 03:07 |
| jott | no | 03:08 |
| jott | that was not a beagle board but the professional board ;) | 03:08 |
| lcuk | no... you are right | 03:08 |
| lcuk | it was a picture of a screenshot on a poster... | 03:08 |
| * nomis defenitely saw 3d stuff on the beagleboard on Linuxtag. | 03:08 | |
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| jott | nomis: no | 03:08 |
| jott | that was not the beagle board | 03:08 |
| jott | though it was an omap3 board | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, even if we DON'T get drivers, the better CPU and controller make things a lot easier. | 03:08 |
| jott | still it's more a legal issue ;) | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, was it green or red? | 03:08 |
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| jott | the beagle board? | 03:09 |
| nomis | ok, it might have been the devel board. But didn't this run Linux as well? | 03:09 |
| jott | red afair not sure though | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, depends from where the traffic is coming | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Green == EVM, red == Beagle | 03:09 |
| jott | but the other was bigger and had an lcd attached ;) | 03:09 |
| lcuk | nomis, yes i would look forward to putting it on a big screen and do live dev in device but with my screen | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd be the EVM | 03:09 |
| lcuk | then instantly flip to the tablet and code | 03:10 |
| jott | hopefully we could convince them to put a wifi module on it.. | 03:10 |
| crashanddie | that would be bitching | 03:10 |
| jott | haven't keep track of the development ;) | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I'm not too worried about it. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has plenty of USB. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | EVM: http://www.arm.com/community/product_images/3413.JPG | 03:10 |
| lcuk | usb is ugly, if i can get a dock and have it charging everything can go wireless | 03:11 |
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| jott | yeah i guess this was it.. | 03:11 |
| lcuk | yeah.. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between that and the Beagle SoC wise. | 03:11 |
| jott | sure | 03:11 |
| jott | just legal wise, software stack wise, enduser wise ;) | 03:12 |
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| crashanddie | how much does something like that cost GA ? | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The EVM is 800-1200, I think | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beagle will be $150 | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | and is that touchscreen ? | 03:12 |
| jott | yeah about ~1000 | 03:12 |
| jott | yes | 03:12 |
| jott | and tech support ;) | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beagle should open for orders in august. | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the EVM is well a truly a dev board. | 03:13 |
| lcuk | developer level access to hardware technicians :) | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3007576762.html | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 and penguinbait made LinuxDevices | 03:13 |
| jott | heh | 03:13 |
| lcuk | qwerty will be so pleased | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | "(Click for larger view of Nokia N810 (WiMAX version))" | 03:14 |
| jott | and all for an stoneage version of android :P | 03:14 |
| * lcuk touched a wimax version :P | 03:14 | |
| lcuk | its got a fat arse | 03:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms at b-man making it in there. | 03:14 | |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: will the August Beagle be rev. B or rev. C? | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hadn't realized lots of whining was such an easy way to make the news. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, rev. b | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rev. C will probably ship around November. | 03:15 |
| lcuk | ok, who signed me up to apple newsletters | 03:15 |
| nomis | GeneralAntilles: ok. | 03:16 |
| lcuk | theres spam and theres offensive spam | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, sorry | 03:16 |
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| jott | "However, porting Android is such a tedious process that Android developers have been looking for an installer to cut to the chase." haha ;) | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, good things are afoot for the embedded Linux space. | 03:18 |
| jott | indeed | 03:18 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is interested to see what lcuk might pull off with OpenGL. :P | 03:21 | |
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| lcuk | :) i have some ideas | 03:23 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt matter what i run most stuff in anyway | 03:24 |
| lcuk | i can already do 3d skeletons (stars are technically 3d) and rotations and transformations are quite easy ontop of the scaling that goes on | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is your svn up on Garage yet? | 03:25 |
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| cmw | is there serial breakouts on the n770 or n810? | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there, under the battery cover | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's "770". ;) | 03:53 |
| cmw | n = nokia | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | so it's nokia nokia 810 ? | 03:53 |
| cmw | nn810 :) | 03:53 |
| crashanddie | nokia²810 | 03:53 |
| cmw | is there pinouts some where for the serial? | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try google | 03:54 |
| cmw | all i get is way finder cracks for "serial n810" heh | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "jtag" | 03:54 |
| cmw | that would be jtag... not serial | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same thing on the tablets. | 03:55 |
| cmw | eh how so | 03:55 |
| cmw | the breakout has both serial and jtag? | 03:55 |
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| cmw | wow that was not indexed well at all | 03:58 |
| cmw | http://bu3sch.de/n810.php | 03:58 |
| cmw | just fyi if anyone else is interested | 03:58 |
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| cmw | can anyone enlighten me on how the kernel is booted on the n810? is there no bootloader? | 04:03 |
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| rm_you | who pinged me like 6 hours ago prolly? >_> lol | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx | 04:06 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:06 |
| rm_you | whyfore? | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott found the awesome | 04:06 |
| rm_you | lolz? | 04:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles is trying to find the screenshot. | 04:06 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3231/volrobcc1.png | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need to get with him to join forces. ;) | 04:07 |
| rm_you | OMFGWTFBBQ | 04:08 |
| * rm_you explodes | 04:08 | |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:08 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:08 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:08 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:08 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I told him about the bounty. :P | 04:08 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:08 |
| * rm_you gets out his paypal account | 04:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | He's also using dsme directly. | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | As opposed to dsmetool | 04:09 |
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| rm_you | he needs to submit patches NOW | 04:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:09 |
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| rm_you | did that use my app's code as a base? | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah | 04:09 |
| rm_you | or did he just remake the whole damn thing? | 04:09 |
| rm_you | wow | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Built off the rotation plugin | 04:09 |
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| * rm_you gives up at life | 04:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:10 |
| rm_you | i've been replaced. good game, world. | 04:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Let's see jott gets icons, and, uh, a prefs dialog? :P | 04:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:11 |
| rm_you | if he did that, it would prolly take him about 30 seconds to code up the prefs, lol | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and a website! :D | 04:13 |
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| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:15 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:15 |
| rm_you | jott: ping | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | He was here an hour ago. . . . | 04:15 |
| rm_you | why didn't he just send you the patch!? | 04:15 |
| rm_you | or send me an email?! | 04:15 |
| rm_you | or something!? | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a patch. | 04:16 |
| rm_you | right. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | He said he was cleaning up the code a bit. | 04:16 |
| rm_you | alright.... | 04:16 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll just wait | 04:16 |
| lcuk | rm_you, now you have plenty of time on your hands, do you fancy seeing about a pdf to image proof of concept? | 04:17 |
| lcuk | :P | 04:18 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:19 |
| rm_you | i guess >_< | 04:19 |
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| rm_you | i was gonna last night but i got distracted by a quiz thing for stargate worlds beta keys :P | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_> | 04:20 |
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| jott | rm_you: hey :p | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, dont forget, you owe jott $20 :P | 04:34 |
| rm_you | yep | 04:35 |
| * rm_you is currently in the paypal interface | 04:35 | |
| rm_you | jott: applying now :P | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:35 |
| rm_you | jott: also... GRRRRR lol | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's probably the first completed bounty on Garage. | 04:35 |
| rm_you | i noticed how you put those two lines directly above the commented out versions of the same thing (with a one word difference) >_> | 04:36 |
| rm_you | if i weren't so elated right now i would be annoyed :P | 04:36 |
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| lcuk | :) jott, thank you for this. now he can finally move past it ;) | 04:37 |
| rm_you | jott: but wait... how does this let you put the volume/brightness slider widgets inside the menu?! | 04:37 |
| rm_you | err | 04:37 |
| rm_you | wait nm | 04:37 |
| rm_you | i'm dumb | 04:37 |
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| jott | rm_you: it is technically not a menu but a window | 04:37 |
| rm_you | still thinking about this the wrong way | 04:37 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:38 |
| rm_you | i'd be interested in seeing your DSME work too :P | 04:38 |
| jott | rm_you: yeah, will share soon enough ;) | 04:39 |
| jott | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/bt-plugin.c?root=maemo-bt-plugin&view=markup | 04:39 |
| jott | this gave some nice hints | 04:39 |
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| rm_you | jott: what email address you use for paypal? :P | 04:41 |
| rm_you | jott: oh, and i need the other stuff you were talking about too, that makes it close properly | 04:42 |
| rm_you | when you click elsewhere | 04:43 |
| jott | yeah the trick is to use gdk_pointer_grab | 04:44 |
| jott | on a map-event | 04:44 |
| jott | and erm... might be better if we integrate your code into my code base ;P | 04:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:45 |
| rm_you | i ... actually may agree with you <_< | 04:45 |
| rm_you | tho it is probably better to remain a seperate applet <_< | 04:45 |
| rm_you | while volume/backlight sort of go together, i'm not sure rotation fits in there | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, that's what preferences are for! | 04:46 |
| jott | rotation is only displayed if the xserver supports it | 04:46 |
| rm_you | but i think your codebase may have less problems | 04:46 |
| rm_you | ah | 04:46 |
| rm_you | well then | 04:46 |
| rm_you | i guess we should start working things out :P | 04:46 |
| jott | yeah | 04:46 |
| cmw | is maemo mainly developed by nokia? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mainly | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a lot of contract developers | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | like Igalia | 04:49 |
| jott | oh and according to the derstandard.at article most of the gtk work is now done by immendio | 04:50 |
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| lcuk | gnite maemoppl | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | gnite weirdo | 05:31 |
| lcuk | .|.. :P | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a round from the right barrel ..|. :D | 05:33 |
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| crashanddie | .|.. -_- ..|. | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | OH SHIT | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | I have fists the size of my face | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., a really small head? :P | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | well | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | it's not what's in it that's taking a whole lot of room | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | so yeah, probably | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | you got my voicemail, mofo ? | 05:45 |
| wiza | umm, some has actual working a2dp now | 05:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, btw, if it doesn't make sense, nevermind, cuz I couldn't remember what shit I was on about | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still need to go to AT&T to get a new SIM card. | 05:46 |
| wiza | I'm getting BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed... from mplayer | 05:46 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: this is gonna be neat | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm on the edge of my seat. :D | 05:55 |
| rm_you | we're merging rotation into adv-backlight | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | I can't wait when I hear the beat ! | 05:55 |
| rm_you | he solved a lot of problems | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | awww rm_you you broke the rhyme | 05:55 |
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| rm_you | hopefully also the volume crash | 05:56 |
| rm_you | since we'll be using his cleaner codebase | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh really? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet | 05:56 |
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| Chur1 | what could I do to make sure I have all the files still installed to use the RSS? | 05:58 |
| wiza | ok.. now it says open DSP device error = -1: falling back to SW method | 06:00 |
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| wiza | ou shit | 06:12 |
| wiza | my tablet is booting up to something like 40%(that blue line) and restarts after that :( | 06:12 |
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| crashanddie | 'night Maemo | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night Weirdo | 06:16 |
| wiza | ok, seems like I'll be flashing internet tablet right about now | 06:17 |
| wiza | ffs now it's rebooting itself while loading | 06:24 |
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| yigal | has anyone installed zsh succesfully on an n8xx? | 07:29 |
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| kanlacism | yigal: No luck searching for any information on that. All I'm finding by searching Google are detail-less mentions -not- to install zsh. Pretty useless info : / | 07:52 |
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| yigal | I think I will just try, I like its built in math functions, and completion capabilities | 07:53 |
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| kanlacism | yigal: Yeah, it'll be worth it if it works (in my opinion.) Good luck : ) | 07:53 |
| yigal | thank you | 07:54 |
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| johnx | just don't link it to sh | 08:01 |
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| Foxx | greetings everyone | 08:02 |
| johnx | hello Foxx | 08:02 |
| Foxx | hows it going? | 08:03 |
| johnx | pretty good, little tired | 08:03 |
| johnx | and you? | 08:03 |
| Foxx | meh, im not going to start complaining ;} | 08:03 |
| Foxx | ive recently aquired a nokia n800 | 08:03 |
| Foxx | not enough time, and too many things to play with | 08:03 |
| Foxx | ive been looking for a repo' that has kismet and BTScanner, and it seems all of them are offline, or otherwise gone | 08:04 |
| johnx | look at gronmayer.com/it | 08:04 |
| johnx | but kismet is hard to get working because Nokia's wireless tools seem to interfere with it | 08:05 |
| Foxx | i did, it seems the repo' changed path names, and when i navigate the directory structures, kismet just isnt there | 08:05 |
| Foxx | yeah, i heard there was issues with kismet | 08:05 |
| Foxx | to be honest, id be happy with a graphical version of RFMon | 08:05 |
| Foxx | i just wanted something to tell me 'Hey buck'o, there is wifi here' with a signal strength | 08:06 |
| Foxx | mainly for mapping wifi installs | 08:06 |
| yigal | johnx: is that the only problem? | 08:06 |
| Foxx | im still new to the n800-, but it doesnt seem hard to pick up if you are in some way linux literate | 08:07 |
| johnx | yigal, also, the driver seems a little flakey when capturing packets | 08:07 |
| Foxx | i dont need to capture packets, just detect wifi, on what channels, and see signal strengths | 08:07 |
| Foxx | i was hoping that someone may have a backup the the package? | 08:09 |
| Foxx | or a similar tool? | 08:09 |
| Foxx | BTScanner isnt that important to me, but the wifi detection is important | 08:09 |
| Foxx | i have to work with a lot of rouge wifi installs, hunt them down, and take them offline if possible | 08:10 |
| Foxx | then install them properly | 08:10 |
| johnx | so maybe even something like netstumbler | 08:10 |
| Foxx | yeah, but lugging the laptop everywhere is a pain in the... well... lower back | 08:11 |
| Foxx | ive been really happy with the n800, rght out of the box with a few added packages | 08:11 |
| Foxx | and getting root access to it was really simple | 08:12 |
| Foxx | this thing is just dripping with potential ;} | 08:12 |
| Foxx | but im still doing my homework on what it can and cant do | 08:13 |
| johnx | ah, for some reason I thought there was a version of netstumbler for linux | 08:13 |
| johnx | nevermind | 08:13 |
| Foxx | not that i know of | 08:13 |
| johnx | yeah, just me confusing myself | 08:13 |
| Foxx | it seems like kismet for the N series just dropped off the face of the internet | 08:13 |
| Foxx | and BTScanner | 08:14 |
| Foxx | my buddy had a n770 and had both running just fine | 08:14 |
| johnx | well, it never worked properly, and I don't know much about bluetooth stuff | 08:14 |
| Foxx | well, bluetooth works on the same band as wifi | 08:14 |
| Foxx | so a saturation of wifi could cause issues with bluetooth devices, and vice versa | 08:14 |
| Foxx | heck, even a poorly designed 2.4ghz cordless phone can kill local wifi/bluetooth | 08:15 |
| yigal | my microwave used to do it | 08:15 |
| Foxx | yah, that operates on the same band too | 08:15 |
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| Foxx | and Wireless Security Cameras | 08:15 |
| johnx | yigal, your microwave scares me | 08:15 |
| yigal | johnx: it scares me also | 08:16 |
| johnx | try not to stand in front of it while it cooks, ok | 08:16 |
| yigal | :) | 08:16 |
| Foxx | i want to try and get HID devices working, mainly a USB gamepad | 08:16 |
| yigal | I'll try my best | 08:16 |
| johnx | Foxx, that shouldn't be too hard | 08:16 |
| Foxx | indeed | 08:17 |
| Foxx | im a hardware man, so making th einterface isnt a challenge | 08:17 |
| Foxx | im just still sinking my claws into whats possible | 08:17 |
| Foxx | id like to get some atari and NES emulation going | 08:17 |
| Foxx | i got an NES emulator, but I cant map the keys | 08:18 |
| Foxx | sorry if im flooding you with all this, im just really excited on the potential of this lil' buggar | 08:18 |
| johnx | no problem | 08:18 |
| johnx | it's quiet now anyways | 08:18 |
| Foxx | ive had to deal with my Windows mobile 5 and 6 PDAs | 08:18 |
| Foxx | arg! | 08:18 |
| johnx | yeah, those were a pain | 08:19 |
| Foxx | were? | 08:19 |
| Foxx | ARE | 08:19 |
| johnx | are for you | 08:19 |
| johnx | were for me :P | 08:19 |
| Foxx | WM6 isnt as bad, but im on a Dell Axim X51v | 08:19 |
| Foxx | the OS is piss poor coded, and the AGP drivers are lacking, at best | 08:20 |
| johnx | anyways, usb keyboards work out of the box, with a couple simple off the shelf connectors | 08:20 |
| Foxx | im aware | 08:20 |
| Foxx | i have the connectors in my lab | 08:20 |
| zapppp | is there anyone who has used ICd through libconic or other way? | 08:20 |
| Foxx | id like USB mass Storage working | 08:20 |
| tank-man | try with a powerd usb hub for that | 08:20 |
| johnx | Foxx, just plug it in, anything that takes less than 100mA | 08:21 |
| Foxx | i plan on powering the device on its own supply | 08:21 |
| Foxx | im aware the n800 doesnt supply enough from the port | 08:21 |
| Foxx | does mass storage work out of the box, or do i have to install some dependancies? | 08:22 |
| johnx | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb*/mode | 08:22 |
| johnx | IIRC | 08:22 |
| johnx | there are a coupe GUI apps that will do that for you or you can just put it in your boot scripts or something | 08:23 |
| Foxx | any keywords i can search google for? | 08:23 |
| johnx | "usb control" maemo | 08:23 |
| tank-man | if you have your usb keyboard working already, usb mass storage should just work | 08:23 |
| johnx | usb statusbar applet usb otg | 08:24 |
| Foxx | if not, what should i install to get it working? | 08:24 |
| johnx | you don't need anything | 08:24 |
| tank-man | those keywords johnx just typed should work to get the n800 in host mode | 08:24 |
| Foxx | thanks, ill put those keywords on my list to research | 08:24 |
| johnx | just run that echo line and it will work | 08:24 |
| Foxx | lets see if my n800 has some battery life to it ;} | 08:25 |
| Foxx | i really appreciate the help fellas' | 08:25 |
| johnx | sure :) | 08:27 |
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| Foxx | i tried to run the echo host > line, its giving me an error | 08:27 |
| johnx | sorry, let me look it up again | 08:28 |
| Foxx | no worries | 08:28 |
| Foxx | ill look up those keywords | 08:28 |
| johnx | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 08:28 |
| johnx | I thought echo would just expand the * | 08:28 |
| Foxx | no use in having you wipe my ass, i need to learn for myself | 08:28 |
| johnx | eh, no problem. I'm just staring at my coffee anyways | 08:29 |
| Foxx | i dont mind getting my claws dirty | 08:29 |
| Proteous | kingston micro sd 2gig card on woot.com for $6 + $5 shipping | 08:29 |
| Foxx | google is my on-again off-again fuck buddy | 08:29 |
| johnx | O_o | 08:29 |
| Foxx | great, now i get Permission Denied, and my battery died | 08:30 |
| Foxx | ill fiddle with it a bit later | 08:31 |
| Foxx | im mainly concerned about a wifi scanner application and btscanner | 08:31 |
| Foxx | i was hoping someone may have the package on drive or disc | 08:31 |
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| Foxx | i saw images of the WiSPY working on the n770 | 08:33 |
| Foxx | that gave me the geek itch | 08:33 |
| Proteous | no, you get that from not changing your socks | 08:38 |
| Foxx | that explans the funky smell | 08:40 |
| Proteous | lol | 08:40 |
| Foxx | hows it going Proteous? | 08:41 |
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| Proteous | my housekkFf | 08:45 |
| johnx | I think he fell asleep on his keyboard O_o | 08:45 |
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| Proteous | Mmmmmblag | 08:46 |
| Proteous | gah | 08:46 |
| Proteous | I am a liitle sleepy | 08:46 |
| Proteous | but it's hard to fall asleep on a n810 keyboard | 08:47 |
| johnx | well that was a pretty good attempt then | 08:47 |
| Proteous | I was going to say that my house is still hot from the heat spell we've been having here | 08:48 |
| Proteous | and it's 10pm | 08:48 |
| johnx | no air conditioning? | 08:49 |
| Proteous | that and the beer are making me sleepy, and are making it hard to type | 08:50 |
| Proteous | no AC, usualy doesn't get this hot | 08:50 |
| johnx | alright, I won't ask you to write any novels then | 08:50 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:50 |
| Proteous | thanks | 08:50 |
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| Makegho | Is there an alt button equivalent in N810? | 09:25 |
| XLT | Functionally, the fn I guess. But you want the signal/keysym? | 09:28 |
| Makegho | Yup. | 09:29 |
| Italodance | damn canola 2 beta9 can't read BMP images! | 09:29 |
| Italodance | what about u? | 09:30 |
| Makegho | It would be nice when using irssi. ;) There's the esc key though. | 09:30 |
| Makegho | Canola2 youtube player's scroll bar didn't work for me. Don't know about bmps. | 09:31 |
| XLT | Not much here in the way of modifiers unless you have an ext keyboard | 09:31 |
| Makegho | ok, thanks anyway | 09:32 |
| XLT | (I'm not a final authority on that of course :) | 09:33 |
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| lite | Makegho, esc does the job. many of us use the esc even with pc | 09:34 |
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| XLT | I do too. Unless the desktop has a meta key for wm | 09:35 |
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| XLT | Haven't tried irssi on a nit though | 09:36 |
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| acydlord | so i finally got my bluetooth dun working under diablo thanks to a tip someone posted on bugzilla lol | 09:51 |
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| zapppp | I have been trying to close current connection to internet and connect to my own ad-hoc network for a week :( | 09:54 |
| zapppp | I'm starting to hate maemo's ICd | 09:55 |
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| acydlord | did you install the package for ad-hoc? | 09:56 |
| acydlord | or are you trying to connect to an ad-hoc hosted on a different machine? | 09:56 |
| zapppp | what package you mean? | 09:56 |
| zapppp | the problem is that I can't disconnect the current connection automatically | 09:57 |
| acydlord | ahh | 09:57 |
| zapppp | if I disconnect through connection manager by clicking "disconnect" and then connect to my ad-hoc network it works | 09:57 |
| acydlord | but it wont work via change connection? | 09:58 |
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| zapppp | it works that way also but I would like to do the same thing directly in my code but there's no way to do it | 09:59 |
| zapppp | the libconic library doesn't offer method to change connection | 10:00 |
| Italodance | diablo! only chinook ROXXXXXXXXXXXXXX | 10:00 |
| zapppp | it does offer method for closing the connection (con_ic_connection_disconnect()) but this method doesn't do anything ?! | 10:01 |
| acydlord | have you tried installing the wireless-tools package and doing it using iwconfig? | 10:01 |
| zapppp | yes I have tried and it worked but | 10:01 |
| zapppp | I would like the connection manager to be informed that I have connected to my ad-hoc network so that if user opens for example web browser maemo wouldn't automatically ask to connect to different network | 10:02 |
| zapppp | if I connect using iwconfig the connection manager won't get updated | 10:03 |
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| acydlord | this thread might be helpfu sort of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38171 | 10:06 |
| acydlord | looks like there is a bug preventing ad-hoc via dummy network in diablo | 10:07 |
| zapppp | I think this isn't related to my problem because I haven't updated yet to Diablo, I'm still using Chinook | 10:09 |
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| acydlord | ahh | 10:10 |
| acydlord | well anyways i've got to pop off here so i can update my tablet and go to bed | 10:11 |
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| acydlord | try looking into that dummy ad-hoc package mentioned in there and see if that may work for you | 10:11 |
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| * timelyx sighs | 10:20 | |
| Italodance | HUH!!!!!! | 10:23 |
| Italodance | timelyx is girl yes? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | boys can sigh too? :P | 10:23 |
| * aquatix does all the time | 10:24 | |
| Italodance | yes sure | 10:24 |
| aquatix | annoyting $world | 10:24 |
| aquatix | -t | 10:24 |
| aquatix | :) | 10:24 |
| Italodance | :* | 10:24 |
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| Italodance | how much is the size of diablo!? | 10:27 |
| aquatix | 666 | 10:27 |
| Italodance | 666 MB | 10:27 |
| aquatix | nah, about 130MB iirc | 10:27 |
| Italodance | aquatix do u updated ur IT from chinook to Diablo? | 10:28 |
| aquatix | yups | 10:28 |
| aquatix | works fine | 10:28 |
| Italodance | tell me about the design? how is it? good cool? | 10:28 |
| Italodance | stylish? | 10:28 |
| johnx | same design | 10:28 |
| aquatix | about the same as chinook | 10:28 |
| Italodance | and have some pics? screenshots? | 10:28 |
| aquatix | only a different default background | 10:28 |
| aquatix | but the old one is still there | 10:29 |
| Italodance | so what is different between them? | 10:29 |
| aquatix | some new libs, updating without needing to flash | 10:29 |
| aquatix | [from now on] | 10:29 |
| Italodance | where? | 10:30 |
| Italodance | btw can u send me only the background pic? | 10:30 |
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| Italodance | ok no.. | 10:33 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: ping? | 10:34 |
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| Italodance | !op Italodance | 10:36 |
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| tank-man | lol | 10:46 |
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| aquatix | Italodance: so, why not update yourself? | 10:47 |
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| rm_you | thoughts on this computer related riddle: Sailor searching for a drink? (two words, first 4 letters, second 7 letters) :P | 10:53 |
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| rm_you | k | 11:04 |
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| tank-man | you better type the answer/punchline soon | 11:06 |
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| rm_you | i dont know the answer >_< its been driving ME insane | 11:07 |
| rm_you | for hours | 11:07 |
| rm_you | now i've inflicted the pain on you :P | 11:07 |
| matmo | morning. Anyone booting from MMC on 770? Just installed, no delay to get boot menu so I would like to compare bootmenu.sh/conf. | 11:09 |
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| drako | good morning :-D | 11:10 |
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| stargater | hi | 11:11 |
| pupnik | matmo: matmos? | 11:11 |
| matmo | pupnik: ? | 11:11 |
| stargater | can maemo run on a pc ? | 11:11 |
| pupnik | interesting electro artist | 11:11 |
| pupnik | i can boot 770 here | 11:11 |
| pupnik | yes stargater | 11:12 |
| matmo | pupnik: nope, just "matmo" :-) | 11:12 |
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| pupnik | give me a minute pls matmo | 11:12 |
| stargater | pupnik: nice, i like maemo for a eeepc | 11:13 |
| pupnik | ok somethings wrong - battery was completely down, booting doesn't give me the OS but just 'charging' sign | 11:14 |
| matmo | pupnik: :-( | 11:14 |
| stargater | an maemo switch to QT4 ? | 11:14 |
| pupnik | stargater: you can run the maemo application development environment on a PC - everybody did | 11:14 |
| pupnik | everybody does rather | 11:14 |
| stargater | ok | 11:16 |
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| pupnik | stargater, it would be interesting to see ITOS (the internet tablet OS) running on eee | 11:17 |
| XLT | Maybe that wossname project | 11:18 |
| pupnik | matmo where is this bootmenu.sh/conf? | 11:18 |
| XLT | Or maybe if more components open | 11:18 |
| XLT | .oO(eeepc as a scratchbox?) | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
| matmo | pupnik: /mnt/initfs/ (but I am guessing this is correct, looks ok) | 11:19 |
| pupnik | want bootmenu.conf ? | 11:20 |
| matmo | please and bootmenu.conf | 11:21 |
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| matmo | oop, bootmenu.sh | 11:21 |
| pupnik | ok http://maemo.pastebin.com/d723aa4fc .conf | 11:21 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d59693163 .sh | 11:22 |
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| matmo | thanks, back in a mo | 11:24 |
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| stargater | pupnik: ITOS = have you a url? | 11:26 |
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| timelyx | zap: mxr.maemo.org is your friend, it'll help you figure out things like translations | 11:28 |
| rm_you | tank-man: BTW: port scanner :P | 11:28 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: re 3414, i think i saw it when you filed it | 11:31 |
| aquatix | hm, are there modest snapshots for diablo already? | 11:31 |
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| X-Fade | Can anyone confirm that the browser in diablo crashes on this url? http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/openbossa-labs-entries-for-maemo-context | 11:34 |
| pupnik | stargater: well if you get the maemo development environment, you will have much of the needed stuff running on x86 | 11:42 |
| lbt | X-Fade: seems to | 11:44 |
| wnd | X-Fade, crashes on my device | 11:44 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ | 11:46 |
| wnd | hmm now that I loaded that url from command line, the page loaded just fine, then reloaded three times, and then the browser exited | 11:47 |
| wnd | or was killed | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | wnd: Yeah, I saw the reload once too. | 11:48 |
| lbt | wnd: on mine I went to the base url, it displayed partially, reloaded and as I clicked the url bar to see the url, it crashed | 11:48 |
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| wnd | and it really seems to segfault, not just exit. "browser_engine_is_alive: assertion `self->connection' failed" | 11:51 |
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| * wnd sighs | 11:52 | |
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| wnd | sorry, seems to be killed, it doesn't segfault | 11:52 |
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| X-Fade | Maybe it requests too much memory in a short time? | 11:53 |
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| timelyx | X-Fade: pong | 11:55 |
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| timelyx | X-Fade: htop ;) | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: I pinged you to confirm that browser crash ;) | 11:56 |
| timelyx | that's silly, i rarely have devices handy, that's what #maemo is for :) | 11:56 |
| timelyx | anyway, if we're being killed by the kernel, there's not much we can do | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | Heh, well I got confirmation from #maemo already ;) | 11:57 |
| timelyx | dmesg should show if we notice low memory signals | 11:58 |
| timelyx | yeah, i saw, but for reference :) | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | Nothing in dmesg btw. | 11:58 |
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| wnd | now I'm getting "LOW Mem: connection to server fail: exiting" | 12:00 |
| wnd | also, I once managed to load the page when browser was in the background. the browser then exited when I brought it to foreground. | 12:01 |
| wnd | or maybe it was just perfect timing | 12:01 |
| matmo | pupnik: agh crap, disabled the timeout, no menu, no boot (even to internal flash). Now reflashing again with 2008HE. What version/s are you using on your 770? | 12:01 |
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| X-Fade | If I run browser from the command line, I see it actively gets killed. | 12:02 |
| aquatix | die! | 12:03 |
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| * aquatix thinks it's because of the bunch of images | 12:03 | |
| timelyx | X-Fade: sorry, got sysklogd? :) | 12:05 |
| wnd | hold on | 12:05 |
| timelyx | you see browser or browserd getting killed? | 12:05 |
| timelyx | anyway, for fun, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/481938 | 12:06 |
| wnd | browserd | 12:06 |
| aquatix | btw, i think these look pretty cool: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/logo_d_accessories.png | 12:06 |
| aquatix | techie font | 12:06 |
| aquatix | [not very readable for passers by, but hey] | 12:06 |
| wnd | http://wnd.katei.fi/tmp2/maemo-browserd | 12:06 |
| wnd | now it also received SIGSEGV. I probably missed that the last time. | 12:07 |
| timelyx | can you install nitro? | 12:08 |
| timelyx | or create a core-dumps directory? | 12:08 |
| drako | nice | 12:08 |
| drako | tell me when the pen is out | 12:08 |
| pupnik | matmo: 2006 :) until i see most 770 users on a different OS | 12:09 |
| XLT | Most? :) | 12:10 |
| stargater | pupnik: thanks :-) | 12:11 |
| stargater | cu | 12:11 |
| pupnik | cheers | 12:11 |
| matmo | pupnik: ah ok. Ever tried 07/08? | 12:11 |
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| Makegho | what program would you recommend for storing passwords in an encrypted file in n810? | 12:12 |
| timelyx | firefox3 :) | 12:12 |
| Makegho | there seems to be some 4-6 projects for that but I don't know which of them is best | 12:13 |
| Makegho | best and best of course, but still | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: Ok, I got a core. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | timelyx: Only 85MB ;) | 12:14 |
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| timelyx | X-Fade: well, they should compress well | 12:15 |
| timelyx | either that, or we /might/ have -dbg symbols | 12:16 |
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| timelyx | in which case you could debug it directly :) | 12:16 |
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| darkterror46 | ? | 12:19 |
| Knirch | ! | 12:19 |
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| darkterror46 | hello everyone | 12:19 |
| Knirch | hello one | 12:20 |
| pupnik | tried 07 on 770, not 08 yet | 12:21 |
| pupnik | @ matmo | 12:21 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 12:21 |
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| matmo | pupnik: ok, I had 07 and was trying 08. Thanks for your help. | 12:23 |
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| AD-N770 | I'm trying to move my tuner tool to garage, I've the project created and was now importing the files into svn | 12:33 |
| AD-N770 | I'm not really skilled on svn, I've just added and commited the folder struct | 12:33 |
| AD-N770 | and now I was importing the files into it | 12:33 |
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| wnd | timelyx, two nitro reports sent | 12:34 |
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| AD-N770 | I'm getting an error PROPFIND request failed ... 302 found | 12:34 |
| wnd | interestingly enough now the browser didn't close | 12:34 |
| AD-N770 | could you give me some tip on how to finish the commit? | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | AD-N770: Are you using svn.garage.maemo.org or garage.maemo.org? | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | You should use that latter. | 12:35 |
| AD-N770 | svn info report URL: https://svn.garage.... | 12:36 |
| AD-N770 | how I've to change it now? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | AD-N770: Yeah, that is not ok. | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Just checkout again with the correct url. | 12:37 |
| AD-N770 | ok trying now | 12:37 |
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| AD-N770 | if it helps to someone else I've found another way to do the change, svn switch --relocate <oldurl> <newurl> | 12:43 |
| AD-N770 | it worked | 12:43 |
| AD-N770 | :) | 12:44 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: tablet-encode svn should fix your GUI issue | 14:38 |
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| lcuk2 | ~lart dentists | 14:38 |
| * infobot eats dentists's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti | 14:38 | |
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| lcuk2 | i bet infobot doesnt get toothache | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | ~lart Darius | 14:44 |
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| lcuk2 | lol jaffa | 14:45 |
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| lcuk2 | which got you this time, the google group for bounties (the chocolate bar i assume) or the DNS hack blink link spam? | 14:45 |
| lcuk2 | blind^ | 14:46 |
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| lcuk2 | mmm bountry | 14:50 |
| lcuk2 | -r | 14:50 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk2: the first primarily | 14:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 14:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders why Flashblock keeps popping up in bugs. | 14:53 | |
| lcuk2 | well im happy hes made that group | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a valid answer. <_< | 14:53 |
| lcuk2 | i love bounties | 14:53 |
| lcuk2 | (actually i dont i give them all to jake, but you get the idea) | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | actually, you wouldn't drink chianti with a high-blood meat | 14:55 |
| darkterror46 | hi | 14:55 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, flashblock? you mean people using flashblock on device, or your flashblocker keeps warning you when you go onto the bugs site | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, ok, awesome, I'll check it out tonight | 14:56 |
| darkterror46 | is there a plugin to use netbeans instead of eclipse for maemo n810 development? | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, happy I could contribute :) Was it a bug ? | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, I don't recall seeing a netbeans plugin | 14:56 |
| lcuk2 | you are not forced to use any ide for development, however there integration in other ides isnt as good. perhaps if it means enough to you you could see what would be required | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, it keeps popping up in bugs I'm interested in as a somehow "valid" solution to the bug. | 14:57 |
| darkterror46 | because eclipse plugins aren't good enought . need to be fixing makefile instead of c coding | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | to be honest, I don't use either. | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | gedit + make | 14:58 |
| lcuk2 | darkterror46, i feel your pain, i have to do all project management manually | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | lcuk2, where's the pain in that ? It's not pain, it's fun! | 14:58 |
| lcuk2 | ok then smart arse, you try it entirely on the device (for now until i get the editor working) | 14:59 |
| lcuk2 | :P | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | haha | 14:59 |
| lcuk2 | omg i am a number not a name | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | scratchbox ftw | 14:59 |
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| darkterror46 | so averyone here is doing it the hard way? | 15:00 |
| lcuk | i always think im gonna paste my password globally when i have to do //msgnickserv identify ****** | 15:00 |
| lcuk | darkterror46, its not "hard", its more configurable and not so railroaded | 15:00 |
| darkterror46 | someone did :-D | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: there was a bug, indeed. I'm going to try and improve UI's error handling as well for the 2.19 release | 15:01 |
| lcuk | back later anyway | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, good :) | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, don't use /msg nickserv | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, rather, use /ns or /nickserv | 15:02 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, worst case scenario: you send your password in a bad command to the server | 15:02 |
| darkterror46 | so every time i add a c to the project i need to edit also the makefiles | 15:04 |
| darkterror46 | that's why IDEs are used for! | 15:04 |
| XLT | IDE is a royally pointless thing when you're alrfeady immersed in a distributed de | 15:07 |
| XLT | Just a way to put a layer of goo in the way | 15:07 |
| * Jaffa loves Eclipse. It's just a shame the C , Perl, Python and Groovy plugins aren't as developed as the Java one. | 15:08 | |
| XLT | But I guess some tools have gone downhill enough that you need a wizzard to work with them | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | Navigating around a large OO project (or even separated procedural one) without an IDE just ends up being more pain than it's worth, unless you're the single developer working alone. | 15:09 |
| zap | darkterror46: if you write your makefiles properly, you won't have to add new .c files to makefile | 15:10 |
| XLT | Mostly I think people just can't use the tools | 15:10 |
| zap | yep | 15:10 |
| XLT | (What zap said eg) | 15:10 |
| darkterror46 | zap can you give me a sample of that marvellous makefile? | 15:10 |
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| zap | lcuk: by the way, instead of /msg nickserv you can use /nickserv | 15:11 |
| zap | lcuk: this will save you from someone taking over the nickname 'nickserv' :) | 15:11 |
| XLT | Make can get pretty hairy, though. | 15:11 |
| pekuja | I think I've broken my internal memory card (/dev/mmcblk0p1) somehow. I get i/o errors and I can only mount it readonly through USB mass storage. should I try reformatting it or is it likely ruined? | 15:11 |
| pekuja | (that would suck) | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, http://slexy.org/view/s212UYIxD1 here is makefile (example) that doesn't require you to add any .cpp files to the Makefile | 15:12 |
| XLT | pekuja: fsck? | 15:12 |
| Robot101 | 7 | 15:12 |
| zap | what kind of IO errors | 15:12 |
| zap | if from low-level driver, repair the unit | 15:12 |
| zap | if from filesystem, fsck/mkfs | 15:12 |
| pekuja | XLT, oh, that's a good idea. quite obvious now that I think of it >__> | 15:13 |
| zap | darkterror46: http://pastebin.ca/1066603 <- this is from a real-life project | 15:13 |
| zap | darkterror46: this is a submakefile that builds one of the libs in the project | 15:13 |
| pekuja | zap, well, if I try to copy a file for example, I get "cp: read error: Input/output error" | 15:14 |
| Toba | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars | 15:14 |
| pekuja | not with all files though | 15:14 |
| Toba | interesting | 15:14 |
| lcuk | compilling *.c isnt always wanted though for all builds and this is where makefiles work well | 15:14 |
| zap | pekuja: run dmesg and look what kernel says | 15:14 |
| pekuja | it says Filesystem panic | 15:15 |
| pekuja | and invalid cluster chain | 15:15 |
| zap | lcuk: if you design your project from ground up, you just put all files that should be compiled together in a single subdir | 15:15 |
| zap | pekuja: reformat hen | 15:15 |
| zap | s/hen/then/ | 15:15 |
| infobot | zap meant: pekuja: reformat then | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | zap, lcuk tends to put everything in one superdir :P | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | :D | 15:15 |
| pekuja | lol, reformat hen | 15:15 |
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| pekuja | oh, great, mkfs is installed by default | 15:16 |
| pekuja | handy | 15:16 |
| darkterror46 | i'll play with that | 15:16 |
| zap | pekuja: if you'll touch the hen, I'll tell greenpeace you're a knacker | 15:16 |
| darkterror46 | thank you zap and crashanddie | 15:16 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, my superdir works | 15:16 |
| lcuk | at least for now | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm the same :P | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, you're welcome | 15:17 |
| lcuk | zap - i wouldnt like to have to make a pair of subdirs to allow a testing version of a module to be buildable | 15:17 |
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| zap | darkterror46: the build system I described is used here: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/lensfun/trunk/#_trunk_ | 15:17 |
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| zap | lcuk: you don't have to | 15:18 |
| lcuk | zap, you are just showing off now, i cant use autoconf :( | 15:18 |
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| zap | I hate autoconf | 15:18 |
| * Jaffa too | 15:18 | |
| lcuk | i hate it cos i cant have it | 15:18 |
| zap | windoz? | 15:18 |
| XLT | You're certainly not alone | 15:18 |
| lcuk | i know i would hate it more if i had it | 15:18 |
| lcuk | zap, n810 dev env | 15:19 |
| * Jaffa wants to look at !autoconf for use with vala given vala's so nice, and autoconf... isn't | 15:19 | |
| pekuja | XLT, zap, thanks. hopefully this helps | 15:19 |
| zap | lcuk: so why no autoconf? | 15:19 |
| pekuja | at least the mkfs seemed to work ok | 15:19 |
| zap | pekuja: cool, now reboot and see :) | 15:19 |
| lcuk | autoconf requires alternative version of debiantools which to remove it removes ALL the osso stuff which removes my nokia basically | 15:19 |
| zap | you an test your card by doing dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null | 15:19 |
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| zap | why you can't use scratchbox instead of n8xx =) | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | cos i can compile wherever i am and i can work FASTER by compiling as i work rather than compile/copy over ssh/execute :) | 15:21 |
| pekuja | zap, good idea | 15:21 |
| XLT | Scratchbox on nit. ISAGN | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | im not stuck to needing linux this or that or scratchbox installed oranything. i can edit in windows or linux or mac or whatever i want and it works nicely | 15:22 |
| lcuk | granted, i will need SB for some things in near future (configuring a package) but so far its been smooth running | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | and with my cpu on Performance it stays at fullspeed and compiles MUCH quicker than when its left on ondemand | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | (less than a minute for a fullrebuild vs 10minutes) | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | wow | 15:23 |
| darkterror46 | anyone know a good makefile reference | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, yeah, the ones we gave you :P | 15:24 |
| lcuk | on ondemand it doesnt seem to consider the shell processes as needing an upgrade | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, what's you're problem ? | 15:24 |
| darkterror46 | :-D | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | your** | 15:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, of course, full compilation on my home box is around 15seconds | 15:24 |
| darkterror46 | need to know more about it | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, but still... factor 10 is quite a vast improvement, by any standard | 15:24 |
| lcuk | yer, it was noticed early on | 15:25 |
| zap | darkterror46: 'info make' is the best I know of | 15:25 |
| lcuk | its not quite so drastic around the rest of the system, but i get a positive improvement with everything in performance | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | darkterror46, hmm, I don't know really, I just know how it works, basically, after that, never looked up anything | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, which is probably why it's called "performance mode" | 15:25 |
| lcuk | (numpty works faster ;)) | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | do you notice a major difference in power consumption ? | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | yer, but i dont see any drawbacks \o/ unless of course something has a run on processor use that you dont expect | 15:26 |
| zap | I guess so | 15:26 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, not really, the only thing that kills my battery is wifi and when im off that it lasts all day as ive said many times | 15:26 |
| zap | by the way, is there a statusbar applet that would allow to switch CPU governor at runtime? | 15:26 |
| lcuk | liqbase allows that, but itsn ot a statusbar applet | 15:27 |
| zap | :) | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | yet | 15:27 |
| zap | haha | 15:27 |
| lcuk | or rather, there are no statusbar applets designed for liqbase yet ;) | 15:27 |
| zap | or at least a desktop widget :) | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, ;) | 15:27 |
| * crashanddie fires up eclipse | 15:28 | |
| crashanddie | back to work | 15:28 |
| lcuk | cya later :) | 15:28 |
| zap | lcuk: any plans to add a terminal to liqbase? then we can get rid of that slow linux | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | and saying that, I think I'm going to blast my brains out while listening to Deftones... Back to school :D | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | zap, eventually, lcuk is going to write a new kernel based off liqbase, and call it liqux | 15:28 |
| zap | kernel=/boot/zLiqbase | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | zap, then a new shell, liqsh | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | a new desktop manager liqome | 15:29 |
| zap | liqueur | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | and then he's going to change his name to Liqus Torliqs | 15:29 |
| zap | all praise lcuk :) | 15:30 |
| zap | lcuk: ;-) | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | he well then start yelling at GPLv4, because it's utter shite | 15:30 |
| inz | ALL GLORY TO HYPNOLCUK | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | get a house in California, and give seasonal interviews about how Microsoft is going to fall in favour of liqus | 15:31 |
| Italodance | when is the release of carman? | 15:31 |
| Italodance | what can it do? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, that sounds right ? | 15:31 |
| zap | carman is 'pocket' in Russian :) | 15:31 |
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| zap | a little pocket engine | 15:32 |
| lopz | hola | 15:32 |
| Italodance | is it the same canola? | 15:32 |
| zap | install it and see :) | 15:32 |
| Italodance | zap? | 15:32 |
| zap | it's available in some repo | 15:33 |
| Italodance | http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/graphical-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, btw, did you change the password on the server ? | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'd appreciate it if you did, don't want to leave an account open like that | 15:33 |
| Italodance | zap where? can u give me a link? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new version is targeted for August. . . . | 15:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, think we should start a Darius fan club Google Group? :D | 15:34 |
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| Italodance | http://www.openbossa.org/developers/carman/download | 15:36 |
| XLT | :) | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I suspect he won't get the irony | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Darius Jack, solving all the world's ills with Google Groups. | 15:38 |
| XLT | Got to cash in on every solution you can find | 15:39 |
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| zap | Italodance: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/carman/ | 15:41 |
| Italodance | what can do Mamona ? | 15:41 |
| zap | ah, you found it | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Italodance, nothing that would interest you. | 15:41 |
| Italodance | umm but can i know? | 15:42 |
| Italodance | what is mamona? | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read. | 15:44 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i told you nooooo, you deal with it. nice offer but not right for me | 15:44 |
| Italodance | do u have it guys? | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I don't care what you use it for, file storage, heavy duty compiling, whatever | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, but if you really don't want it, no problem | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | just change the password and keep it for when you'll need it :P | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org is soooo slooooow :((( | 15:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm really interested to see the result of this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200842#13 | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fremantle not running on the N8x0 series would be . . . disappointing. | 15:48 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: :P | 16:01 |
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| pupnik | off again... into the wild blue yonder... have a nice day all | 16:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik's joining the navy? | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/navy/Air Force/ <_< | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | s/air force/boy scouts | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not with that song. :P | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | what else can he do, they wouldnt accept him into the girl guides | 16:10 |
| eichi | my rss doesnt add feeds...someone know this? | 16:10 |
| lcuk | dunno, ill stop popping in for a bit now :P | 16:11 |
| lcuk | back later | 16:11 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nice to get a hint that we'll see more of Fremantle at the summit. I'd guessed as much from the agenda, but seeing some concrete stuff (even if it's mockups or concepts) would be very cool | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely | 16:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The PowerVR stuff should be interesting, too. | 16:23 |
| zapppp | Has someone tried the example codes for conic python library found at https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/branches/chinook/tests/ ? | 16:27 |
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| zapppp | I trie to receive connection events from ICd using the monitoring example but it didn't work | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm, reading the translations, the article sounds a lot less dire than the summary benny gave. | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | first rule of translations: make the news better/worse, so that the shock gets people to think about the content, instead of the quality of the translation | 16:30 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: see also http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/maemo-bof-at-guadec-how-it-sounds/ | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw it. | 16:42 |
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| Atarii | noob question: /lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/build: No such file or directory. Stop. | 16:47 |
| Atarii | how do i fix that? | 16:47 |
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| darkterror46 | could someone please take a look at this makefile and tell me what is wrong with it? http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/maemo-bof-at-guadec-how-it-sounds/ | 16:48 |
| darkterror46 | oops wrong url | 16:49 |
| darkterror46 | :-D | 16:49 |
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| darkterror46 | http://slexy.org/view/s2lpOHcOsn | 16:50 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, Are you building something? If so, what is it? | 16:53 |
| darkterror46 | for now just a test project | 16:53 |
| Atarii | im trying to build the rt73 drivers, but for the 770 | 16:55 |
| qwerty12 | I remember compiling some kernel modules for the N800, I think the easiest way to sort out that message is to use a symlink. | 16:56 |
| qwerty12 | (A symlink to the kernel source that is) | 16:56 |
| Atarii | ah ok | 16:57 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: you making the summit, btw? | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highly unlikely. | 16:57 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: :-( | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Family reunion either that weekend or the weekend after | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | plus school | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since it's still up in the air, I don't want to apply for sponsorship then not be able to go. | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and definitely wont be able to afford the $2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;) | 17:05 |
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| zap | Application Manager does not resolve the dependencies of the package installed through a .install file? | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yes it does. | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless the .install is pointing to a .deb | 17:29 |
| zap | strange | 17:31 |
| zap | people complains that the .install file I made does not get the 'file' package, which is listed as a dependency to the installed .deb file | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it available in the repositories they have? | 17:33 |
| jott | maybe the package you refererring to is not in the defined repository... | 17:33 |
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| zap | No, the 'file' is in the mainstream repository | 17:35 |
| zap | it is not in the referred repository, but shouldn't app manager look into configured repos as well? | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | zap: No it is not. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | It might be in the SDK repository, but that is not supposed to be used on the device. | 17:37 |
| zap | hmm | 17:37 |
| zap | http://stage.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/f/file/file_4.12-1osso_armel.deb | 17:37 |
| zap | this is devel repo? | 17:37 |
| * lcuk whistles quietly | 17:37 | |
| X-Fade | zap: Yes. | 17:37 |
| zap | aha | 17:37 |
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| X-Fade | zap: That is a SDK repository. | 17:37 |
| zap | so I would better refetrence it in .install ile, right? | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | No | 17:38 |
| zap | no? | 17:38 |
| zap | How to proceed then? | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | That repository is not to be used on the device by regular users. | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | upload you dependency to extras? | 17:38 |
| zap | hmm | 17:38 |
| zap | well I haven't submited my package to extras yet | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | zap: Well, today is a good day for that ;) | 17:39 |
| zap | but | 17:39 |
| zap | hehe | 17:39 |
| zap | but when a new version of 'file' will appear in sdk repo | 17:39 |
| zap | I'll have to reupload it? | 17:39 |
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| X-Fade | Well, yes and no. :) | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | It depends on what changed. | 17:40 |
| zap | Ok, I'll ask another way. Every package in extras has a maintainer? | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | But typically these versions don't change outside of releases. | 17:40 |
| zap | Or it's just a "throw in your stuff and forget"? | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | They all have an uploader, which can be a maintainer. Some packages are just repacks of debian packages. | 17:41 |
| zap | If I upload 'file' into extras, I'll become the maintainer of it? | 17:42 |
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| zap | or anybody else can submit a newer version? | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | zap: That is why we push for source packages, so that things can be fixed when a maintainer gets hit by a bus.. | 17:42 |
| zap | :) | 17:42 |
| zap | I'm not going to | 17:42 |
| zap | YET :) | 17:42 |
| X-Fade | Or just loses interest.. | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, is that a regular thing with pkg maintainers? | 17:42 |
| qwerty12 | (Getting hit) | 17:42 |
| zap | qwerty12: I guess those busses have numbers like 007MS and such | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is if your build-depends aren't specified correctly. >:) | 17:43 |
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| zap | ok cool. I'll look into submission then | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | And uploading to extras reduces the bus risks too ;) | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | zap: What is your garage username? | 17:44 |
| zap | um | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | I'll give you an invitation. | 17:44 |
| zap | let me look :) | 17:44 |
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| zap | aha, surprise. | 17:44 |
| zap | I'm zap there too | 17:44 |
| zap | should I start a new project for the submission? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | No, that is not needed. | 17:45 |
| zap | cool | 17:45 |
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| X-Fade | But you have a project, I see? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | apt-getit? | 17:45 |
| zap | yep | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | You should receive an invitation shortly. | 17:46 |
| zap | by email? | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | yes. | 17:46 |
| zap | thank you | 17:46 |
| * qwerty12 is pimpin *so* badly. I've got Phoenix to connect to my N800. | 17:48 | |
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| X-Fade | zap: This might be of interest: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 17:48 |
| jott | qwerty12: ah this *cough* nokia service center thingy? | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | jott, yep | 17:48 |
| jott | qwerty12: nice | 17:48 |
| jott | qwerty12: question, can you query the current brightness level with it? ;) | 17:49 |
| jott | of the lcd | 17:49 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm into leaked nokia stuff, I've got ftd, phoenix, n800 + n810 service manuals + n810 schematics :P | 17:49 |
| qwerty12 | jott, no idea, i'll see if i can figure it out | 17:49 |
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| zap | by the way, what interface the corner LED on N8xx has? In /sys/class/led/ I found only the keyboard backlight | 17:51 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Checks jott's application: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode | 17:53 |
| zap | aha | 17:54 |
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| zap | why not use the led sysfs class? | 17:54 |
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| zap | iirc it was designed to deal with colored leds | 17:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, how often does the scm tracker on Garage update? | 17:58 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What part? The source view? | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stats part. | 17:59 |
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| * qwerty12 explodes over /trunk/merge :) | 18:00 | |
| X-Fade | Ah I see someone is ego-surfing :) | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You have found a bug, it seems ;) | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, just wondering. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've only got about 5 adds. :P | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | I should at least update once a day, I guess. | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That hasn't been updated for a while. . . . | 18:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As a preliminary, I'm going to start off by blaming rm_you. :D | 18:02 |
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| johnx | I blame him too | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: It should run every day at 1:20.. | 18:02 |
| johnx | what are we blaming him for? | 18:02 |
| zap | X-Fade: does maemo-extras autobuild the package or chinook & diablo? | 18:02 |
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| rm_you | lol? | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, for the scm stats not updating properly on Garage. :P | 18:02 |
| rm_you | I feel blamed | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | zap: Depends on which queue you upload to. | 18:03 |
| rm_you | svn blame rm_you | 18:03 |
| rm_you | ? | 18:03 |
| rm_you | :P | 18:03 |
| * rm_you loves that there's a BLAME command, though it doesn't do what he thinks it should :) | 18:03 | |
| zap | ah I see | 18:04 |
| zap | cool then, I don't have chinook scratchbox installed | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, found the problem. | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | And fixed it. | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, X-Fade. :) | 18:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets warm fuzzies from how responsive the maemo.org team is compared to Maemo Software. :D | 18:09 | |
| rm_you | debian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right? | 18:10 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: should that page you linked now show something more than "4 updates"? >_> | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: When the stats job finishes, yes. | 18:11 |
| rm_you | ah k :P | 18:12 |
| rm_you | debian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right? | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | When you say debian/files, do you mean the folder that is basically tarred up as data.tar.gz? | 18:13 |
| rm_you | no, i mean my source tarbal | 18:14 |
| rm_you | I need to include rules, changelog, ... ... | 18:14 |
| rm_you | is the "files" file necessary | 18:14 |
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| rm_you | or is it generated during the build process | 18:14 |
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| rm_you | oh yeah... so did we make history as the first Maemo Garage bounty ever completed successfully? :P | 18:15 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you, I looked in some source tarballs for the open source parts of maemo, and I don't see a debian/files file in them. | 18:16 |
| B1ACKDEATH | hello is porting hard ? | 18:16 |
| rm_you | k sweet | 18:16 |
| B1ACKDEATH | like if its allreay in deb format | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you, I'd make a backup tarball before trying this, but "fakeroot debian/rules clean" should clean out the debian folder. | 18:17 |
| melmoth | if you already have the deb source package, it is supposed to be piece of cake. | 18:18 |
| melmoth | now, you may still hit some dependency issue and have to port first a couple of other packages. | 18:19 |
| B1ACKDEATH | well im trying to get naim to nwork | 18:19 |
| B1ACKDEATH | i have alot of the stuff | 18:19 |
| B1ACKDEATH | its always a gcc problem | 18:19 |
| darkterror46 | zap can i bug you again with a makefile issue? | 18:20 |
| melmoth | B1ACKDEATH: either try to see why the packager set a requirement on a specific version of gcc (if that is the problem i think you describe) | 18:21 |
| melmoth | or try to compile it manually, and once you know it owrks ok, try to package it on your own | 18:21 |
| B1ACKDEATH | ok | 18:21 |
| B1ACKDEATH | thx | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | B1ACKDEATH, can't see what you mean , I just compiled it fine (simple configure & make) | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | (colours are a bit strong in the program >.<) | 18:23 |
| B1ACKDEATH | on wat os | 18:23 |
| B1ACKDEATH | 2008 | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | yes, using scratchbox, I compiled it for 2008 | 18:24 |
| B1ACKDEATH | deiblo | 18:24 |
| B1ACKDEATH | hmhm | 18:24 |
| B1ACKDEATH | mabey im just on something | 18:24 |
| B1ACKDEATH | well | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | The error messages that you actually get would help ;) | 18:24 |
| B1ACKDEATH | well | 18:25 |
| B1ACKDEATH | well i didnt cross compile it | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just get qwerty12 to give you the binary he made. <_< | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | I can't be arsed to deb package it though, I can tar.gz my source folder, you can make install yourself. | 18:26 |
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| B1ACKDEATH | ok | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.mediafire.com/?my2myyyhuy9 | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | The "Maemo Diablo Reference Manual" is brilliant btw, thanks to whoever made it. | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | does the form layout shock anyone ? | 18:30 |
| B1ACKDEATH | thanks qwerty12 | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | pretty please ? | 18:32 |
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| B1ACKDEATH | qwerty12 | 18:35 |
| B1ACKDEATH | i have your error now | 18:35 |
| B1ACKDEATH | checking for C compiler default output file name... | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | You wern't meant to run configure on it. | 18:35 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not asking for world domination, just an opinion on that stupid form | 18:36 |
| Mousey | opinion: it sucks | 18:36 |
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| Mousey | wait, what form? | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount | 18:37 |
| Mousey | oh. | 18:37 |
| Mousey | uh, | 18:37 |
| Mousey | opinion: it's french | 18:37 |
| B1ACKDEATH | i have your error now | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but it's also gonna be chinese, english, russian and spanish | 18:37 |
| Mousey | opinion: it doesn't render right in konqueror | 18:37 |
| B1ACKDEATH | qwerty12 what was i so post to run | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | define: doesn't render right ? | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | supposed** | 18:38 |
| Mousey | it's wider than my window and didn't resize itself to fit | 18:38 |
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| Mousey | ^_^ | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | that's correct rendering :-° | 18:38 |
| mouser- | heh | 18:38 |
| Mousey | aw | 18:38 |
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| crashanddie | hey, not my fault, I'm just doing what I'm told | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | B1ACKDEATH, make install | 18:39 |
| B1ACKDEATH | i did | 18:39 |
| B1ACKDEATH | it errored | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | why would configure run then? | 18:39 |
| Mousey | you were told "make sure it doesn't render right in konqueror"? | 18:39 |
| Mousey | that's pretty specific | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | :D | 18:39 |
| Mousey | ok ok, now i'm not being very helpful, sorry | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | no, I was told "we need so much width, make sure it keeps it, even if window gets resized" | 18:40 |
| Mousey | wow | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | I KNOW ! | 18:40 |
| Mousey | i'm suprised it isn't ASP on IIS, too | 18:41 |
| Proteous | the placement of the form description text is bad | 18:41 |
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| Proteous | it should be to the left of the field, or onto with enough space between fields to tell what field the text is referencing | 18:41 |
| * Mousey shrinks the font | 18:41 | |
| Mousey | wow, it really does stay one size | 18:41 |
| Mousey | opinion: it's built to spec | 18:41 |
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| crashanddie | Proteous, better now ? | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | (this is just a draft eh, I'm not going to leave it float like that, obviously) | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hover style for the tabs at the top is confusing | 18:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Header is way too tall. | 18:46 |
| timely | wnd: thanks, someone should spot it, but if you left a comment, i suppose i could hunt for it | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Copyright would work better in the actual footer. | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | err, copyright *is* in the footer, that's just the form fucking it up | 18:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not really much better on the other pages. :P | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The text should really be on the left of the form fields. | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | ok | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, why not use a real © instead of (c)? :P | 18:49 |
| wnd | timely, leave a comment? I put "$ browser --url foo" as nitro's "how did I get here". | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, drafting :P | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, that's for the translation team :P | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just change the text color for the hovers at the top and not the background too. | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Confusing | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, will do | 18:51 |
| timely | wnd: ok, when i get around to vpn'ing, i'll go search for that, it shouldn't be too hard to spot | 18:52 |
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| siddyz | hi anyone available for help, i upgraded my nokia internet tablet n810 to the new diablo and i been trying to install pidgin and mplayer but i get e message saying theres no such package. | 19:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | siddyz, try search google with the error message quoted and "diablo". :) | 19:03 |
| siddyz | ok thank you | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | In summary, you need to add Chinook Extras to your application catalog. | 19:03 |
| siddyz | okay ill have a go at it thank you | 19:04 |
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| pupnik | nobody ever did figure out why xkbd was borked with OS2008 did they | 19:08 |
| pupnik | remoo | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | How many people tried to find out? | 19:08 |
| pupnik | dunno | 19:09 |
| jott | hehe i read xkcd and thought "worksforme" ;) | 19:10 |
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| pupnik | maybe it'll magically work in diablo | 19:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to distill the battery information Eero posted on the lists down into a short article on battery life killers. | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "battery life" thread on itT are really out of hand. | 19:11 |
| johnx | ah, the emergence of a new cargo cult :) | 19:12 |
| pupnik | wiki page phps? | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a plan. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish I could find that summary email. | 19:14 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, the one about using strace to find apps polling? | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | He had a break down of pretty much all possible battery drains. | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was in one of the more recent threads. | 19:17 |
| * johnx searches | 19:17 | |
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| johnx | define "recent" | 19:20 |
| johnx | last couple months? last couple days? | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last month | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably on users | 19:21 |
| johnx | aaah | 19:21 |
| dieman | url? | 19:21 |
| johnx | that's what we're trying to find | 19:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, better like so: http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount ? | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, much better. | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd personally put the copyright down in the gray footer on the bottom | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that's just me. ;) | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | it is supposed to be there | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | what are you seeing ? | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/cartech-webkit.jpg | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | whoa | 19:24 |
| * qwerty12 sees it in the footer | 19:24 | |
| hfwilke | I'm seeing it about where GA is seeing it | 19:25 |
| hfwilke | ff3 | 19:25 |
| hfwilke | on windows | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | yeah, when I view it in fullscreen I notice it's not down there | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'm using ff3 on windows and I can see the copyright in the grey area :/ | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fundercity.doesntexist.com%2F%7Ecrashanddie%2Fcphp%2Findex.php%2Fclient%2FcreateAccount&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 | 19:25 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, there are a lot of threads where eero talks about battery stuff, see if the one you want is here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=maemo;do=search_results;search_forum=forum_2;search_string=eero%20battery;search_type=AND&sb=post_time | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Ha | 19:26 |
| hfwilke | copyright stay the same distance from other elements of the form as I resize my window up and down | 19:26 |
| hfwilke | I can get it in the gray area if I make my window short enough | 19:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "grey" isn't a valid CSS color, either. | 19:26 |
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| Proteous | GREY > GRAY | 19:27 |
| Proteous | all you "a" lovers can shove it | 19:27 |
| Proteous | E is the way to go! | 19:27 |
| Proteous | if you're cool that is | 19:28 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you'll note 954 errors come from a weird binary output :D | 19:28 |
| Proteous | and we all want to be cool now don't we? | 19:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, still not compliant via direct input. | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | :D | 19:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Crap, johnx, I don't see it. :\ | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe I imagined it. . . . | 19:31 |
| johnx | I mean, there's a lot of good stuff | 19:31 |
| johnx | a couple months ago on dev he talks about attaching to processes with strace to see if they're polling | 19:31 |
| johnx | that's easy enough for power users I think | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good candidate for a wiki article, anyway. | 19:32 |
| johnx | the big battery drain is probably modest dying in a bad way | 19:32 |
| johnx | I was seeing that a lot til I switched to chinook modest... | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest, metalayer-crawler, corrupt cards and cpu-hungry home applets tend to be up there. | 19:32 |
| johnx | statusbar applets | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't seen that. | 19:32 |
| johnx | some of the different CPU and load meters are likely a problem | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I don't really play with a lot of those. | 19:33 |
| jott | though ltrace is more verbose than strace :) | 19:33 |
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| johnx | jott, all we need to see is whether it's doing something | 19:33 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: should we try to work on bugs.maemo? | 19:33 |
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| jott | yeah in the end an oprofile enabled kernel should clear out much more ;) | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, what'd you have in mind? | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | you can get an oprofile kernel from the diablo sdk repo :) | 19:34 |
| timely | well, trying to flesh out enough from garage so that we could turn it on ;) | 19:34 |
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| iDS | :D | 19:38 |
| iDS | hi zap | 19:38 |
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| crashanddie | validates now, you bastards :P | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it validates. :P | 19:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Copyright is still in the wrong place, though. | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I know, gimme a sec | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | jott: really, Nokia should ship an oprofile enabled kernel so that a third party GUI version of powertop can be written to help (power-)users diagnose bad apps | 19:42 |
| jott | Jaffa: there is an oprofile kernel available... | 19:42 |
| jott | kernel-diablo-oprofile | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, what about the template for the classifications when submitting new bugs? I'm thinking it should show a list of Maemo Software/Nokia/Website products then the Garage classification should be listed at the bottom (or top) and take you to a page of Garage products. | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | I thought powertop relies on timer stats. | 19:43 |
| jott | yeah it won't help for powertop | 19:43 |
| timely | that sounds about right | 19:43 |
| timely | sadly, i can't remember when you can easily control sort order of classifications | 19:43 |
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| timely | and i don't think i have local write access to bugzilla | 19:44 |
| timely | so i don't think i can make such a template | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something to throw at guenther when he gets back from GUADEC | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, better now ? | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Close, but the text is right up against the bottom of the darker gray line. | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | damn you 285" screeners | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's the gray at the bottom implemented? | 19:46 |
| timely | ? | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, this: http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, it's just a div and a <p>, but it relies on the floating sidebar | 19:47 |
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| timely | GeneralAntilles: is the (c) supposed to be on gray or yellow? :) | 19:49 |
| timely | (or mixed...) | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | gray | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | below | 19:50 |
| timely | it's on yellow even on 1280x1024 | 19:50 |
| timely | although, i tested it on dual that :) | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I though the footer styling was css. | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/images/img02.jpg | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an image. | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do the footer in css | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then have the copyright notice in that element. | 19:51 |
| timely | hey, can i use google earth on an n800? :) | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Has it been compiled for arm? | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Isn't it in Java? | 19:55 |
| timely | it isn't very fast on this eeepc | 19:55 |
| timely | you sure it isn't winPE? | 19:55 |
| timely | looks like it's .so's | 19:56 |
| timely | ah, it's Qt | 19:56 |
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| rm_you | on a strcmp(a,b), what is == again? is it 0? | 19:57 |
| timely | yes | 19:58 |
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| rm_you | also: lies! :P | 19:58 |
| rm_you | ^^^ unrelated | 19:58 |
| johnx | that would be a fun language, somefunc() returns s'true or lies! | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | Yes, No, FileNotFound is more common | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | or rather True, False, FileNotFound. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx | 20:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, good now ? | 20:02 |
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| crashanddie | no, not yet | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not on the bottom of the page yet. | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timely, what about something like this? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/new-bug-mockup.jpg | 20:07 |
| timely | kinda possible | 20:08 |
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| timely | note that Website and ITVC want to not really be in "Maemo Software" | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 20:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How hard is it going to be to move the existing website bugs if the website components get upgrades to products? :\ | 20:08 |
| timely | it's not really too bad | 20:09 |
| timely | the complexity is affected by the version/tm matrix | 20:09 |
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| timely | it's one move per version-tm pair | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, probably want to set the content/body padding to only 20px on the top. | 20:11 |
| lopz | re | 20:11 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, check the footer, good for you ? | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | #page { width: 978px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 20px 0; } should probably go padding: 20px 0 0 0; | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | But otherwise good | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just add a little padding onto the top of the copyright text. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, actually, the footer is always 10px off the bottom of the screen | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | have to scroll to it. | 20:13 |
| lcuk | crash, how broken should this site be | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie | 20:15 |
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| crashanddie | bleh | 20:15 |
| crashanddie | I'm just trying shit out | 20:15 |
| lcuk | no thats ok, but before it goes live you might want to sort out the font | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor crashanddie | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i think the glyphs are all messed up, none of the words make sense :P | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | bet he's wishing he never pasted that link. :P | 20:16 |
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| crashanddie | no that's fine, all input is welcome | 20:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, how so ? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | well, im at a place where i assume its asking for a username and password, but it says "Adresse email : Mot de passe :" | 20:17 |
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| crashanddie | and how is that wrong ? | 20:17 |
| johnx | the whole world should be in english! | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in French, duh! :D | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | ah | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | lol | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn you, johnx! | 20:18 |
| crashanddie | like I said, not my problem, that's for the translation team | 20:18 |
| lcuk | there is a real missing page anyway - click lost password | 20:18 |
| lcuk | its 404 | 20:18 |
| lcuk | the rest looks good though, gen is right the (C) is offpage | 20:19 |
| lcuk | is that always wanted even if you resize the page? | 20:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, I started working on the interface this morning :P | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | so yeah, not everything's there yet | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | anyway, i gotta go make some food | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | bbl | 20:24 |
| lcuk | cya later :) | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | and for the footer | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | it's starting to piss me off | 20:25 |
| johnx | ~lart ISP firewalls | 20:25 |
| * infobot beats ISP firewalls into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy | 20:25 | |
| lcuk | the server my ISP is in the andromeda galaxy anyway | 20:25 |
| johnx | ah, infobot, if only it were that simple... | 20:25 |
| johnx | so, how's the lag? | 20:26 |
| * lcuk adds a uses | 20:26 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, do you recieve programmes from there too? | 20:26 |
| johnx | so, something like 2.53 million years of lag (assuming no crappy routers on the way) | 20:27 |
| lcuk | johnx, its really quick, only 42 years pingtime. | 20:28 |
| johnx | heh, you kids and your fancing quantum entanglement routers and wormholes | 20:28 |
| lcuk | sod that, when i was a kid i sent out a ping message, still waiting for a reply | 20:29 |
| lcuk | * Received a CTCP PING 1215624541 from E.T. | 20:29 |
| johnx | yeah, but in plain old einstein physics, limited to C it should take you 5.06 million years or so after you send a ping to get a pong | 20:30 |
| lcuk | shame einstein didnt know about c++ | 20:30 |
| johnx | :D | 20:30 |
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| johnx | but we all know that c++ is slower than c...so | 20:31 |
| johnx | I guess tightly coded ASM is pretty much the fastest speed in the galaxy | 20:31 |
| lcuk | but its easier to get C wrong and end up falling into a black hole | 20:31 |
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| johnx | well, yeah sure, but c++ will appear to work, then when you run it it'll end up going back in time to prevent you from being born | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ping. | 20:34 |
| lcuk | johnx, it cant prevent you from being born, but could relink itself so it ends up as its own parent | 20:34 |
| johnx | heh | 20:35 |
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| lbt | lcuk: BTW, it's coArse - and I got the feeling you weren't old enough to remember the proper bounty adverts... | 20:35 |
| lcuk | damn! | 20:36 |
| lcuk | you know how bad i am at spelling | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | For something that is seemingly so simple and straightforward on the surface, CSS is really a sonuvabitch to get to do what you want. | 20:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, i also couldnt find the actual advert text to copy from | 20:36 |
| lcuk | was it a good retort though? :D | 20:37 |
| lbt | not bad - needed piccies of the original bounty girls... | 20:37 |
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| lbt | timer - that's tea.... l8r | 20:37 |
| lcuk | google image search has some from i think newer adverts | 20:37 |
| lcuk | cya | 20:37 |
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| zap | X-Fade: how much time passes before my SSH key gets activated? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, how much trouble will i get into for annoying Benson in the forum? | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Trouble"? :P | 20:48 |
| johnx | define: "annoying" | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | too | 20:48 |
| johnx | are we talking disagreement or purposeful harassment | 20:48 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21736&page=2 | 20:48 |
| johnx | and since I know you, I imagine the former :) | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, pfft. | 20:49 |
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| johnx | bleh, stupid problems call for stupid workarounds :/ | 20:50 |
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| * johnx serves up an sshfs mount over http | 20:51 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like creating a GNOME bugzilla account to see what their bug submission setup looks like. | 20:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid GUADEC and Finnish holiday. . . . | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i havent even started my holiday yet | 20:53 |
| * johnx works on other peoples' holidays | 20:53 | |
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| zap | If I'm member of the extras group on garage, should I see it in the "My Projects" section on my page? | 20:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa keeps depressing me with this stuff: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-July/000446.html | 21:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. :) | 21:13 |
| lardman | hi GeneralAntilles | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, someone in amongst your optimization post i know you thought of me :D | 21:18 |
| lcuk | somewhere ^ | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you, and Wozniak | 21:19 |
| lcuk | woz has an n8x0? | 21:20 |
| johnx | lcuk, :P | 21:20 |
| lcuk | i thought he had a hacked iphone | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, I'm thinking arcade stuff back in the 80s. ;) | 21:21 |
| johnx | heck, even apple stuff was pretty crazy | 21:21 |
| johnx | wasn't the "floppy disk that couldn't seek to inside track" his trick? | 21:22 |
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| dougt | is there a AIM client for maemo? | 21:41 |
| johnx | pidgin and rtcomm beta come to mind | 21:41 |
| johnx | I haven't tried either recently | 21:41 |
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| dougt | any idea if they do video? | 21:42 |
| johnx | probably neither | 21:42 |
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| johnx | amsn does video, but that's obviously not AIM | 21:42 |
| dougt | that would be a pretty hot app. | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | dougt, find yourself the Collabora repo on gronmayer. | 21:42 |
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| dougt | looking.... | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install the account-plugin-haze and and telepathy-haze packages from that. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll give you AIM with the built-in chat client without having to take the rtcomm beta step. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No video, though. | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 21:45 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:52 |
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| leandroal | /j #ols | 21:56 |
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| cjohnson | Is there an alternative to pidgin for OS2008? Pidgin crashes quite often, taking the window manager with it and both destroying my desktop applets and resetting my status bar | 22:05 |
| RST38h | does not crash for me | 22:08 |
| RST38h | but you can use rtcomm | 22:08 |
| lcuk | oh no! i think i dugg myself down on my own profile page :S | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :p | 22:12 |
| lcuk | well i know what the box is for now, its a little ambiguous with no way of knowing what it does | 22:13 |
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| lardman | cjohnson: rtcomm | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ++ | 22:16 |
| cjohnson | lardman, do I need any special repos for it? | 22:16 |
| lardman | head to http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Collabora | 22:17 |
| lardman | and follow the instructions | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's on gronmayer.com/it | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't bother with the rtcomm beta | 22:17 |
| lardman | or do it GeneralAntilles's way, but that confused me | 22:17 |
| cjohnson | haha | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just get the accounts-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze plugin from the Collabora repo. | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, you install two packages. :P | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Done. | 22:17 |
| lardman | the packages you want to install have strange names, I went with the easy route ;) | 22:17 |
| cjohnson | haha | 22:18 |
| lardman | I didn't know the names! | 22:18 |
| RST38h | easy route installs avahi | 22:18 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i thought you wanted everything in extras and wanted to stop advertising others? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "easy" | 22:18 |
| RST38h | but I went the easy route as well | 22:18 |
| cjohnson | Where is the Collabora repo? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it | 22:18 |
| lardman | zeroconf is good | 22:18 |
| cjohnson | ah | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, meh, I can't fight every repo. | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | sure you can. you are the mighty GeneralAntilles. | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's one of those things that might conflict with system upgrades down the road. | 22:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My "everything should be in Extras" mantra only applies to stuff that doesn't have a huge amount of breakage potential. | 22:19 |
| cjohnson | Just to double check "chinook" for the distro (OS2008, not the diablo one though) and "user" components | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the .install that's on there. | 22:20 |
| * sp3000 used the diablo user bit | 22:21 | |
| * sp3000 hasn't actually tried using things since though | 22:21 | |
| * lcuk is still hung up on "breakage potential" | 22:21 | |
| RST38h | GA: btw, found a UI bug with maemo.org ui | 22:22 |
| RST38h | GA: Clicking on one's own name (when logged in) brings up the account settings, not the account information | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | The account information appears to be inly accessible if you go to edit account settings then find a Profile in the path at the top of the page and click it | 22:23 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: I mentioned this this am but I don't think you were about... : ISTR people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h -> Bugzilla | 22:23 |
| lcuk | and what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon :( | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, that would be the Nokia documentation team. | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have any contact with them. | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll poke dneary about it, though. | 22:24 |
| lbt | ah - thought you did | 22:24 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: sounds painfull for dave | 22:24 |
| lcuk | lbt, gen *should* be | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | he does enough coordinating and writing "for the cause" | 22:25 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:25 |
| lcuk | \o | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Jaffa. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my Nokia contacts are mostly limited to Maemo Software people in here. ;) | 22:25 |
| lbt | OK - I was just wondering about it for another project so thought I'd mention it... may not be appropriate - or it may be just the right hammer :) | 22:26 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: sorry to depress you :-/. Re-reading the message, the grammar in there is atrocious. | 22:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "and what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon" <=== priceless | 22:26 |
| lbt | bollox : *** glibc detected *** /home/david/maemo/tst/src/shopper: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080a9d88 *** | 22:27 |
| * lbt mutters something about java | 22:27 | |
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| lcuk | live free or die hard? | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's still way ahead of the curve, Jaffa. :D | 22:27 |
| cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, alright, installed both now. Is this meant to fix pidgin? Or enhance that built in client for the OS? or is it a new client? | 22:27 |
| RST38h | [automatically] javamustdie | 22:27 |
| lcuk | RST38h, not my fault | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, it adds AIM/Yahoo/MSN support to the built-in chat client. | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: sorry, what is? | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The grammar in that message. | 22:28 |
| cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, perfect, awesome | 22:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: oh, ta | 22:28 |
| * Jaffa foods | 22:28 | |
| cjohnson | Oh, crap, nevermind. apt-get install account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze returned this: http://pastebin.com/d7bf8b21d | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | install-tools? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That looks like a leftover from something else. | 22:29 |
| lcuk | cjohnson, expand that a bit to include the whole action log from command line through please | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | a couple of lines doesnt give great context | 22:30 |
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| cjohnson | http://pastebin.com/d31543842 | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | thanks | 22:31 |
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| GAN800 | lol . . . MicroB stoll focus _5_ times while I was trying to type that. | 22:32 |
| RST38h | GA: Proper halo should hover | 22:32 |
| cjohnson | So, any idea what the install-tools bit is about? | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | try apt-get clean && apt-get -f install | 22:34 |
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| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, http://pastebin.com/d43a54597 | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | do you have space on / ? | 22:35 |
| cjohnson | yeah | 22:35 |
| cjohnson | It's got 1.5GB free I think | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dpkg --purge --force-all install-tools | 22:36 |
| sp3000 | maybe the package has agoraphobia then :P | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 22:36 |
| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, woo, no longer does it | 22:37 |
| cjohnson | What is install-tools, anyway? | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | something from penguinbait's stuff iirc | 22:37 |
| cjohnson | ah, yes. | 22:37 |
| cjohnson | for copying my os to the internal mc | 22:37 |
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| cjohnson | Ok, one last question...may be possible or not. Is there a way to lock the applets on my desktop? I've finally been able to position them all perfectly, as hard as it is with the stylus, but occasionally they get moved around accidentally | 22:38 |
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| cjohnson | Hrm, how do I actually chat using that built in client? | 22:41 |
| cjohnson | I've added accounts but see no where for like a list of buddies | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Contacts applet has everything | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | or see the stuff in the application menu. . . . | 22:42 |
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| cjohnson | The accounts are connected, however the contact list says I have no contacts | 22:44 |
| cjohnson | Do I have to tell it to download them from like the AIM server? | 22:44 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-4_armel.deb | 22:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, thanks! :) | 22:49 |
| rm_you | thanks to jott joining the team, it now supports rotation :P and is like 100% more awesome | 22:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'll set up rotation too as well :) | 22:50 |
| cjohnson | So, nobody knows? How can I actually chat using this? My contacts don't yet exist, is there something I must do to download them from the erver? | 22:50 |
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| Xamusk | so, is there some guide as to how to use those two targets (386 and ARMEL)? | 22:50 |
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| rm_you | cjohnson: did you already have buddies on that AIM account's list? | 22:51 |
| rm_you | like, do they show up in Pidgin? | 22:51 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, I have buddies attached to the AIM account, yeah | 22:51 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, yeah, they do | 22:51 |
| rm_you | hrm weird | 22:51 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, but not in the contact list after adding account-plugin-haze | 22:51 |
| rm_you | dunno, i only ever use pidgin on n800 :P | 22:51 |
| cjohnson | like I can manually add them and it works | 22:51 |
| rm_you | odd | 22:51 |
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| cjohnson | yeah. | 22:52 |
| rm_you | who else wants to beta test the new and improved advanced-backlight before it hits extras? :P | 22:52 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, This is that status icon that replaces volume and backlight with a single dialog right? | 22:53 |
| rm_you | yes | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the adv-backlight team = awesome. i'm thankful your work is oss as it's much more like an nokia applet. dunno why nokia are such p***** when it comes to the source of their applets ».« | 22:53 |
| cjohnson | I'll try it :D | 22:53 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-4_armel.deb | 22:53 |
| rm_you | having jott on the team is going to help immensely :P | 22:54 |
| rm_you | plus, now you have THREE people to bug :P | 22:54 |
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| cjohnson | Any special instructions since I already have it installed? | 22:54 |
| rm_you | i would recommend purging it | 22:54 |
| rm_you | if you are comfortable with terminal... dpkg --purge advanced-backlight | 22:54 |
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| rm_you | then install it | 22:55 |
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| cjohnson | alright | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, does it still use dsmetool then? (i remember jott saying he traced dsme calls) | 22:55 |
| rm_you | erk | 22:55 |
| rm_you | warning: don't use the rotation part yet :P | 22:55 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: no, this version does it directly with dsme sockets | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aww, how come (about rotation)? | 22:55 |
| rm_you | <GeneralAntilles> Yes, the button that seems to have the A oriented for normal is set to whatever the current rotation is. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | <GeneralAntilles> So you can't get back to normal once you change it. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | <rm_you> lolpwnt | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | haha | 22:56 |
| rm_you | this is why its beta :P | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (i'd have just used xrandr though ;)) | 22:56 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | anyone intrested in mirroring that Rotate.zip diablo package of mine :/ | 22:58 |
| lcuk | oh shit :( | 22:58 |
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| rm_you | I can do it | 22:58 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: link me | 22:58 |
| rm_you | i'll mirror it | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, you should push rotation to Extra-devel. | 22:58 |
| rm_you | in two places :P | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, thanks, i'll search it up :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk | dont you mean you'll rotate it | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can do a meta-package for it, right? | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, hmm, i'd find it a bit risky in extras (xserver + kernel gets replaced) | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extra-devel | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not Extras | 22:59 |
| rm_you | heh | 22:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's perfect there. | 22:59 |
| rm_you | LOL @ a .postinstall script that flashes the kernel :P | 22:59 |
| cjohnson | Hrm, my libglib2, libhildondesktop0, libhildonwm0, libosso1 packages are all not late enough versions. How can I update those? | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | also i cheated with the deb package to keep osso-soft-version happy | 23:00 |
| rm_you | cjohnson: ah are you running diablo? | 23:00 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, no, chinook | 23:00 |
| lcuk | rm_you, why not, people have been suggesting doing something like that to get ubuntu on windows | 23:00 |
| rm_you | lcuk: lolwut? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, depend on osso-software-version-unlocked | 23:00 |
| lcuk | rm_you, repalcing the windows kernel with upgraded ubuntu one ;) | 23:01 |
| lcuk | -typos | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, but i'd have no way of telling which device it's being installed on. -unlocked is model specific. | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, any suggestions for the dependencies? | 23:02 |
| rm_you | cjohnson: either upgrade to diablo (flash...) or give me a sec to fix it on my side | 23:02 |
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| cjohnson | k | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, hrm, can you do any sort of logic for dependencies? | 23:03 |
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| rm_you | cjohnson: can you do me a favor and tell me what version they ARE? | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, Only thing I can think of is the "|" but that wouldn't help me much. i'll look at the debian packaging guide later. | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, http://rapidshare.com/files/125096576/Rotate.zip.html thank you | 23:04 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, http://pastebin.com/d25db61ad | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, I guess you could do an N800 and N810 package if it came down to it. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | rotation-support-n800 | 23:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | True, I guess that would work. | 23:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, it's definitely something I think you should do. :P | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need to get over your fear of repositories, and that'd be a good first step. :D | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 23:07 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/Rotate.zip and http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Rotate.zip | 23:08 |
| rm_you | first is prolly fastest | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, thank you very much :) | 23:09 |
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| rm_you | np | 23:09 |
| rm_you | i have so much bandwidth i'm not using there... | 23:09 |
| rm_you | i can mirror all kinds of stuff >_> | 23:09 |
| flo_lap | re | 23:09 |
| rm_you | (as long as its legal :P) | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, in that case, i have nothing else to offer :p | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I could easily upload to extras the xserver-xomap, jott's rotate plug-in (although I guess adv-backlight will be replacing it), libxrandr but the real fun starts with the kernel :/ | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, well, actually. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would work well enough. | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having MOST of the parts in Extras is better than none of the parts. | 23:14 |
| cjohnson | The account-plugin-haze and/or telepathy-haze packages are messed up for me...for some reason I get the services added to my list of possible protocols and I am able to talk to people through them, but the icons for each protocol isn't installed (http://picasaweb.google.com/anidel/N800RTCOMMBeta2/photo#5151543090284168274 and http://picasaweb.google.com/anidel/N800RTCOMMBeta2/photo#5151292122460161090 have the icons I'm talking about...I ju | 23:14 |
| cjohnson | st don't have those icons) plus my contact list isn't populated from the server (I have to manually add each of my already existing contacts). I've tried apt-get remove --purge account-plugin-haze & the same for telepathy-haze and reinstalling but I get the same results. Any ideas what's going on? | 23:14 |
| cjohnson | ...wow that was a bit longer than I anticipated. | 23:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta update the icon cache | 23:15 |
| cjohnson | how do I do that? | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | gtk-update-icon-cache | 23:15 |
| rm_you | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restarting is the other option. ;) | 23:16 |
| rm_you | not necessarily | 23:16 |
| rm_you | i restarted like 5 times and it never did it for me | 23:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | same here | 23:16 |
| cjohnson | And for the contact list? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, OK, it SHOULD reindex with a reboot. | 23:16 |
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| rm_you | it *doesn't* >_> | 23:16 |
| cjohnson | Icons work now, thanks :D | 23:16 |
| rm_you | cjohnson / qwerty12_N800 / anyone: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-5_armel.deb | 23:17 |
| rm_you | includes rotation fix (maybe?) | 23:17 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, are the dependencies modified? | 23:17 |
| rm_you | yes | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i cannot test the rotation atm :) | 23:18 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is scared to test rotation. | 23:18 | |
| rm_you | lol | 23:18 |
| rm_you | its ok | 23:18 |
| cjohnson | Will test in a moment | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | installing. . . . | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't seen any more volume crashes so far. | 23:19 |
| cjohnson | Anybody have any suggestions for getting it get my contacts from the server? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | is rotation a standard deb now? | 23:19 |
| rm_you | the worst that could happen is that you and your entire family could be kidnapped by russians and held hostage for the world's biggest wheel of cheddar | 23:19 |
| cjohnson | What is the IM client actually called? | 23:19 |
| lbt | ooh rotation :) | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | lbt :) | 23:19 |
| rm_you | but that's very unlikely | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm | 23:19 |
| lbt | Shopper handles rotation :) | 23:19 |
| lcuk | your shopper will suit a different perspective | 23:19 |
| siddyz | GeneralAntilles thank you, it worked. | 23:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:19 |
| lbt | (well it did in 2007) | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's just installing 4 or 5 debs. | 23:19 |
| lcuk | "handles" as in ui drawn rotated already? | 23:19 |
| rm_you | Shopper? :P | 23:19 |
| lcuk | i thought there was a kernel flash | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, if you count my 4 debs as standard :/ | 23:19 |
| lbt | no - it works if you have xrandr | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | there is | 23:19 |
| lbt | and I want to detect xrandr and trigger it | 23:20 |
| lcuk | oh, qwerty12_N800 its your debs. those are *never* standard :D | 23:20 |
| lbt | as appropriate | 23:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't recall what he told siddyz to do. | 23:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | But, uh, you're welcome. :) | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :p | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the kernel part is handled by a deb | 23:20 |
| lcuk | lbt :) liqbase can load and render fonts at (so far) 0 and 90 degrees | 23:20 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, nope, still unmet dependencies :( | 23:21 |
| lcuk | thats good then, so its not a linux partition, running flasher with strange chants any more | 23:21 |
| rm_you | cjohnson: what now!? >_> | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No change on rotation, rm_you. | 23:21 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: :( | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, one sec. | 23:21 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, http://pastebin.com/d1744ab07 | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me make sure. | 23:21 |
| rm_you | it still greys one out? | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rotation fixed. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | but if rotation is a simple nobrainer process then ill strip out all the crap code and just roll with it | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I had already reloaded the applet. :D | 23:22 |
| lbt | rm_you: Shopper is my 'so remind me about C/C++/gtk/gtkmm/qt/dbus again' application | 23:22 |
| rm_you | heh | 23:22 |
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| siddyz | lol | 23:22 |
| siddyz | chinooks extar | 23:22 |
| siddyz | extras even | 23:22 |
| rm_you | lbt: no fair, i was making a shopping list app as my "so remind me about python/sqlite/gtk" application >_> | 23:22 |
| lcuk | some people write "hello world!" programs to test a language/device, lbt writes shopper ;) | 23:22 |
| rm_you | PyShop >_> | 23:23 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmm pie | 23:23 |
| lbt | competition!!!! | 23:23 |
| rm_you | exactly :P | 23:23 |
| rm_you | I love the name | 23:23 |
| rm_you | you have a garage project? | 23:23 |
| * lcuk makes a handwritten shopping list program | 23:23 | |
| * lcuk screws it up and throws it in the trolley after putting the bags away | 23:23 | |
| * cjohnson just writes his shopping list on paper and throws it away afterward... | 23:23 | |
| lbt | not yet - I have zaurusShopper on sourceforge | 23:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | fuck, i opened the applet while installing and hildon-desktop shitted out on me >.< | 23:24 |
| lcuk | cjohnson, :) mine is probably the closest to doing that of anything - ive got dinner order lists from weeks ago floating around in amongst all my diary entries | 23:24 |
| rm_you | Well.. I have a garage project already! so ha! :P | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | its wonderful remembering just how many little things need 5 minute reminders | 23:24 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N800: lol | 23:24 |
| lcuk | so have i | 23:24 |
| lcuk | and its open source :P | 23:25 |
| lbt | I thought I'd get it to do stuff - then register | 23:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12's got to reset his spinner applets. | 23:25 |
| rm_you | I thought i'd come up with a name and register... THEN get it to do stuff :P | 23:25 |
| * lcuk likes to doodle | 23:25 | |
| rm_you | I wanted SVN first | 23:25 |
| rm_you | ... | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | i thought i'd let david spend a few years building up his little shopper empire then grow it by adding rotation buttons and make it look like nokia dialog :P | 23:26 |
| rm_you | so in one day, we took advanced-backlight and completely merged it with a rotation applet, and it is already more stable (or so it seems) :P | 23:26 |
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| rm_you | rofl | 23:26 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, except it won't install for me :( | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, the icons don't really make sense for rotation, though. | 23:27 |
| lcuk | you know - we *should* be discussing methods to make *all* our software better | 23:27 |
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| rm_you | cjohnson: that's odd... give me a minute | 23:27 |
| cjohnson | rm_you, sure | 23:27 |
| timely | dougt: gizmo supports video :) | 23:27 |
| lcuk | lbt - ill take notes, you write a todo list, and rm, you just sit there on dim | 23:27 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, would you write the documentation for us all pretty please? :D | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, normal and inverted (the first and third buttons) need to be swapped and left and right (the second and fourth buttons) need to be swapped. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, for what? | 23:28 |
| rm_you | erk k | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 23:28 |
| lcuk | all our softwares :D | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The shopper application? | 23:28 |
| cjohnson | rtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, anything? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 23:28 |
| dougt | timely: thanks.. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty decent at it, I think. | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i agree | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brb | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I was gonna offer to do a website for liqbase if you were interested. | 23:29 |
| lbt | http://zaurus-shopper.sourceforge.net/ together with usage guide | 23:29 |
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| rm_you | bah where is this pulling its depends from | 23:29 |
| rm_you | what generates advanced-backlight.substvars | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, adv-backlight finally has a proper container. :D | 23:29 |
| lcuk | :) i would be honoured GeneralAntilles, does the garage provide a bit of webspace or would i put it on a proper domain | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, create a www folder on svn | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | liqbase.garage.maemo.org will point there. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | ahhh ok | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can either give me commit access and I'll maintain it or I can just put it all together and hand maintenance off to you. Whichever suits you. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | but first - where has "openselectedlinks" firefox extension gone? i upgraded to ff3 this week and its missing and phun.org has 16 funny pictures to click | 23:31 |
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| timely | gan: i think qwerty could have x-meta depends x-rx44 | x-rx34; x-rx44 depends 44meta | 23:31 |
| lcuk | i'll get you committed | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds like a good plan, lcuk. :D | 23:32 |
| lcuk | lbt, was the zaurus stylus based as well then or finger touch? | 23:32 |
| rm_you | lcuk: you're right... we SHOULD get GeneralAntilles committed :P | 23:32 |
| lbt | stylus | 23:32 |
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| * rm_you kinda misses his collie | 23:32 | |
| lbt | ok 'Shopper' registration sent in... | 23:32 |
| rm_you | I used to use Shopper on my Z :P | 23:33 |
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| lbt | yep - collie based | 23:33 |
| lcuk | it takes upto 48 hours | 23:33 |
| lbt | seriously? | 23:33 |
| rm_you | yeah | 23:33 |
| lbt | nice :) | 23:33 |
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| lbt | Well, you may find this somewhat familiar!!! | 23:33 |
| rm_you | indeed | 23:33 |
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| rm_you | now... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars | 23:34 |
| * lbt goes back to work | 23:34 | |
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| lcuk | lbt :) work is such a strange name for puzzle solving hobby | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, my expert analysis says. a process. | 23:34 |
| rm_you | <_< | 23:35 |
| lcuk | or a task | 23:35 |
| * lbt is hungry 'cos he won't go shopping until it's done - and he's gonna run out of milk in the morning....!!! Eeek!!! | 23:35 | |
| rm_you | lbt: yeah i was gonna do that | 23:35 |
| rm_you | then i went three days with nothing but cheese and water | 23:35 |
| rm_you | and i gave up | 23:35 |
| lbt | mmm cheese | 23:35 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 23:35 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i gather you have run and played with the released version | 23:35 |
| rm_you | one 2lb block of cheddar | 23:35 |
| rm_you | for three days | 23:35 |
| rm_you | and water. | 23:35 |
| lbt | mmmm water! | 23:35 |
| rm_you | <_< | 23:35 |
| * lcuk is going to attempt something unheard of tonight. im gonna try and make a package!!!! | 23:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, of liqbase? Whatever the last zip you tossed out was. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | yer | 23:36 |
| lbt | I made a package before I wrote any code - glad I did!!! | 23:36 |
| * lbt goes back to work for real now | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | i dont even know if its possible on the device | 23:36 |
| lcuk | cya later lbt | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | ok, back shortly - gen do you mind holding off until i make a package so its easier to do and you also have to apply for my project dont you | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will do that. | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll start a draft | 23:38 |
| lcuk | excellent | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | arrgh! osso-statusbar-cpu + sp-error-visualiser = a *lot* of balloon popups >.< | 23:38 |
| * lcuk rubs hands together | 23:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | But I wont post anything until I get the go-ahead. ;) | 23:38 |
| lcuk | wicked, thanks gen | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | back soon (hopefully bearing .deb) | 23:38 |
| rm_you | grrr | 23:38 |
| rm_you | entirely failing at changing the depends on my deb | 23:39 |
| rm_you | >_< | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, how do you deal with versioning - does your application hold a version number inside it, or is it entirely done via the package | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, how'd you fail at that? | 23:39 |
| rm_you | lcuk: debian/changelog | 23:39 |
| Xamusk | so, what's the deal with the two targets in the sdk? | 23:39 |
| rm_you | it sets the version based on that | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, probably useful: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 23:40 |
| Xamusk | 386 and armel | 23:40 |
| lcuk | so the application itself doesnt actually know what version it is | 23:40 |
| lcuk | yer i know gen, this is before that though i think | 23:40 |
| lcuk | ty for link | 23:40 |
| * lcuk wonders how to do an "about" screen which usually shows version number | 23:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, 386 is for testing in scratchbox and armel is for deploying to the device. | 23:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, it wouldn't need to tbh, applets are designed to save space | 23:41 |
| rm_you | lcuk: just have to change it in two places | 23:41 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, but in practice I can use both to develop? | 23:41 |
| rm_you | lcuk: put a #DEFINE or something | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, sure. | 23:41 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, but how do I switch targets? my scratchbox defaults to armel | 23:42 |
| lcuk | so, versioning is *urgh* manual? | 23:42 |
| rm_you | lcuk: pretty much | 23:42 |
| lcuk | oh shi... | 23:42 |
| rm_you | theres a command you're supposed to be using to update the changelog automatically for you | 23:42 |
| rm_you | but i just do it by hand | 23:42 |
| rm_you | now... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you may want to keep some of fiferboy's packages on-hand for examples. He uses most of the dialogs and popups in Application manager at some point or another. | 23:43 |
| rm_you | grrrr | 23:43 |
| lcuk | hmmm, ill go and see if i can get a build number incremented when i actually build | 23:43 |
| rm_you | lcuk: simple sed command should do it :P | 23:43 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i cant use any standard dialogs in liqbase - on the overlay | 23:43 |
| cjohnson | rtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update? | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm, how's this for a start: http://pastebin.com/d5d5e3868 ? | 23:44 |
| rm_you | win? :P | 23:45 |
| rm_you | change the last one to (probably?) | 23:45 |
| rm_you | :P | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'll give you $5 per annum if you use slexy :P | 23:45 |
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| Xamusk | so, how do I change scratchbox targets? | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | sb-menu | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sb-menu | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | you're slow | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 23:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, what is slexy? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and why would I use it? | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, pastebin service | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | just cuz it's hawt | 23:46 |
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| * GeneralAntilles shrugs | 23:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 23:47 |
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| crashanddie | :D | 23:47 |
| rm_you | http://slexy.org/view/s21AN6fozb :P | 23:48 |
| rm_you | nice | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html is a good one to look at too | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, think of any I'm missing? | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, internal stuff | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | dsme. | 23:49 |
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| rm_you | http://slexy.org/view/s21zH2fAE1 | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix the buttons for rotation so I can start grabbing screenshots. | 23:51 |
| rm_you | swap them you mean? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:51 |
| rm_you | which ones again? | 23:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | swap left and right with each other, then swap normal and inverted with each other | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1st <-> 3rd, 2nd <-> 4th | 23:51 |
| rm_you | hrm | 23:52 |
| rm_you | not 100% sure HOW but i'll try | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:52 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: you about? | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, yeah | 23:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: how do you build the N810 kernel as opposed to the N800 kernel? | 23:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, stock kernel? | 23:58 |
| lardman | yeah, just doing the dvfs patch for the DSP | 23:58 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ok here comes a RANDOM shot in the dark... i guarantee NOTHING! :P | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I demand EVERYTHING! | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're a perfect pair! :D | 23:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I was going for a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d" as there's a debian dir | 23:59 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-6_armel.deb | 23:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: though I've just got an error from doing that: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files | 23:59 |
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