| GeneralAntilles | Right | 00:00 |
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| wnd | if you asked me I'd say privoxy is the way to go | 00:01 |
| gourdin | without add block, fresh browser start, 15sec to zoom to 120% | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had crashing issues with privoxy in the past. | 00:01 |
| gourdin | i got the "fit width" option enabled | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, pfft | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't do that. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the "break the browser" option. | 00:02 |
| gourdin | :)) | 00:02 |
| gourdin | this is it | 00:02 |
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| wnd | somehow I ended up running neither privoxy or adblock on the device. I'm running privoxy on home router box, but since I'm not aware of any practical way to make the device use it as proxy only when I'm home, the browser in the device goes unfiltered. | 00:03 |
| gourdin | unfortunatly, some site need this option :/ | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | No they don't. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That option doesn't work. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Period. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's broken and really should've been removed. | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/02/nokia-n800-n810-web-pages-slow-and.html | 00:05 |
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| texel | Hm. So what about firewalls? | 00:12 |
| texel | Do we have a good solution to use iptables on the NITs at the moment? | 00:13 |
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| wnd | I think the question really is do you need one | 00:17 |
| gourdin | http://www.popularmechanics.com/ | 00:17 |
| gourdin | for example | 00:17 |
| gourdin | without add block nor "fit width" | 00:18 |
| * texel sighs | 00:18 | |
| texel | So, where on earth is the scratchbox configuration file for a target? | 00:18 |
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| gourdin | is pretty painfull to surf : scrolls lag a lot | 00:19 |
| wnd | texel, /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/$TARGET.config | 00:19 |
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| ion_cu_vaca | hi | 00:19 |
| texel | wnd: awesome. Thanks. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Scrolls just fine here, gourdin. :\ | 00:21 |
| lbt | texel: I was wondering about iptables t'other day too | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Zooming is slow | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but scroll is fine. | 00:21 |
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| ion_cu_vaca | i need to put the text "aaa" in the file abc.txt, can I do this with cat? or what other command do I use? | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | echo aaa >> abc.txt | 00:23 |
| ion_cu_vaca | thanks :-) | 00:23 |
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| glass | vittu tää irc on kyllä ihan liian lagisa nytaöitä | 00:24 |
| texel | Hm. Do we have SDL? O.o | 00:25 |
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| RST38h | weird letters. | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | texel, yes. | 00:25 |
| texel | Coolio. | 00:25 |
| texel | Then porting POWDER will be easy, too. =o) | 00:25 |
| ion_cu_vaca | anyone knows how to use libmacspoof? | 00:26 |
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| texel | Whoa. | 00:29 |
| texel | kanatest is /easy/. | 00:29 |
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| wnd | yeah it is | 00:30 |
| wnd | try kdrill :-) | 00:30 |
| texel | No, I mean to port that is. =op | 00:31 |
| * wnd grins | 00:31 | |
| texel | dpkg-buildpackage -b, and that's it. =op | 00:31 |
| wnd | unless you want to hildonise it | 00:31 |
| wnd | I'd think | 00:31 |
| texel | Right. | 00:32 |
| texel | But there's next to nothing to hildonize. | 00:32 |
| wnd | basically just the menu | 00:33 |
| wnd | and if you want to do it right, state saving and restoring | 00:33 |
| texel | Hm. | 00:33 |
| texel | Okay. | 00:33 |
| texel | Well, we'll see. | 00:33 |
| texel | Right now, Xephyr is misbehaving. =o( | 00:33 |
| wnd | actually, did the latest version of kanatest already allow resuming last "game"? | 00:34 |
| texel | No idea. | 00:34 |
| texel | I'm just trying to recompile the one in Ubuntu Hardy at the moment. | 00:34 |
| texel | There we go. | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | texel: <plug>mud can help with such things muchly (including the various Maemoisms: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ ) </plug> | 00:36 |
| texel | Jaffa: yeah, I was considering using that to help with some of it. | 00:37 |
| Jaffa | texel: I'm looking at improving it to work with the autobuilder even better, and improve the patch management by possibly using quilt, and help with automated signing/upload: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design | 00:38 |
| texel | Bwahaha. | 00:38 |
| texel | Awesome. | 00:38 |
| texel | It runs, but the fonts are crap. =op | 00:38 |
| texel | So I have to fix that. =o) | 00:38 |
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| texel | NIce. | 00:39 |
| texel | Jaffa: looks good, but I'll have to spend more than just a fleeting moment looking that over. =o) | 00:40 |
| texel | Oooh. It even comes with a desktop file. | 00:41 |
| texel | Needs some hacking, though. | 00:41 |
| texel | Random question: | 00:41 |
| texel | Why did the Nokia guys decide to do crazy stuff by stuffing the icon image into the desktop file as a base64 encoded mess? =op | 00:42 |
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| texel | Especially when the files are much easier to deal with? | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | texel: indeed, mud helps there :) | 00:42 |
| texel | Heh | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | Stick a PNG file in a folder and it gets encoded and stuffed in automagically. Next feechur on my list is also auto-installing icons for the app menu into the right place | 00:43 |
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| texel | Hrm. | 00:45 |
| texel | "We could not read lowmem page stats." and it still refuses to launch. | 00:46 |
| texel | Greh. | 00:46 |
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| texel | Jaffa: so is MUD just a script or program I run? | 00:46 |
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| Jaffa | texel: it's a Perl app which helps re-package sources; so it's something you use to help build your packages (both binary for testing and source for uploading to the extras autobuilder) | 00:50 |
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| texel | Jaffa: looks /very/ nice now that I spent more than a fleeting moment looking at it. =o) | 00:50 |
| ion_cu_vaca | question: how do I replace the text "abc" from the file file1.txt with the content of the file file2.txt | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ion_cu_vaca, "introduction to bash" on google might be a good starting point for you. ;) | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | but, "cat file2.txt > file1.txt" | 00:54 |
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| wnd | you can also just "cp file2.txt file1.txt"... | 00:56 |
| ion_cu_vaca | GeneralAntilles, that will concatenate the two files... i want to replace the the text "abc" with the text from the file2.txt | 00:56 |
| Veggen | ion: hmm. sed is your friend here. | 00:57 |
| Veggen | ion: is the file2.txt potentially large? | 00:57 |
| m-c | I saw the android port to NIT on Reddit today | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ion_cu_vaca, did you try the command I gave you? | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does exactly what you asked for. | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | file1.txt contains other information besides abc, right? | 00:59 |
| ion_cu_vaca | yes | 01:00 |
| ion_cu_vaca | what about this? | 01:00 |
| ion_cu_vaca | replace abc $(cat file1.txt) file2.txt file2.new | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | sed is your friend. | 01:00 |
| ion_cu_vaca | (I found this: replace OLD-STRING NEW-STRING <INPUT-FILE >OUTPUT-FILE) | 01:00 |
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| texel | Hrm. | 01:02 |
| texel | Do we /have/ to register a service with DBUS to launch an app? | 01:02 |
| Jaffa | No. | 01:05 |
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| Jaffa | Bah, the logs URL isn't in the topic anymore | 01:08 |
| texel | Hmf. | 01:08 |
| texel | Well, I can't get it to start via the apps menu. | 01:08 |
| texel | But I can run it directly via command line. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~maemo-logs | 01:08 |
| infobot | well, maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 01:08 |
| * Jaffa JFGIed it. | 01:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 01:09 |
| * texel gives mud-builder a try | 01:09 | |
| Jaffa | Accomodation booked for the summit :) | 01:10 |
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| jott | hm.. is there a way to force the fetching of the agps data from the supl server? | 01:11 |
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| lardman | evening all | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | texel: I'm bedding soon, but if you have any mud problems, give me a shout either here; via email or through the mailing list. | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | lardman: evenin' | 01:22 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa | 01:22 |
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| texel | Mm. | 01:33 |
| texel | Jaffa: "dpkg-source: error: per-package paragraph 2 in control info file is missing Package line" | 01:34 |
| texel | While it was attempting to do a "mud get kanatest" | 01:34 |
| texel | Ran into a fetch for autotools-dev | 01:35 |
| Jaffa | Fun. | 01:35 |
| Jaffa | Can you email me your package.xml? I *really* need to sleep; andrew@bleb.org | 01:36 |
| texel | Jaffa: just sleep. =o) | 01:36 |
| Jaffa | g'night | 01:36 |
| texel | Jaffa: nothing special with the package.xml -- it's the same as what's listed for the creating a new package, just with 'cal' substuted with 'kanatest'. | 01:36 |
| texel | G'night. =o) | 01:36 |
| lardman | night Jaffa | 01:36 |
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| * lardman wonders what to do first, vfp sbc encoder or some DSP intrinsic tweaks to the DSP fixed point one | 01:37 | |
| Toba | is there a good time tracking application for maemo? | 01:38 |
| lardman | there's a GPE app, not sure of the name off the top of my head | 01:39 |
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| * Toba looks around | 01:40 | |
| lardman | http://linuxtogo.org/gpe-applications-for-maemo-4.0-chinook | 01:40 |
| lardman | GPE-Timesheet | 01:40 |
| lardman | not sure which repo you'd find it in | 01:41 |
| lardman | http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/index.html | 01:41 |
| lardman | silly me | 01:41 |
| lardman | hth | 01:41 |
| Toba | I wish I had a chance to go to linuxtag | 01:42 |
| lardman | 'twas good, especially to chat to people face-to-face | 01:42 |
| Toba | I'm sure | 01:42 |
| * lardman still has problems relating IRC nicks, email addresses & faces though :))) | 01:44 | |
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| Toba | heh | 01:46 |
| Toba | i'm pretty used to that concept | 01:46 |
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| GreyFoxx | How long should it normally take when plugging a n810 in to charge for the very first time for something to appear on the screen showing it's charging ? Mine's been plugged in for 15 minutes with nothing showing up and I'm starting to worry :) | 01:53 |
| Andy80 | hi | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | GreyFoxx, sure your charger is powered/working? | 01:53 |
| lardman | hi Ryan | 01:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'll show an indication that it's charging as soon as you plug it in. | 01:53 |
| Andy80 | GreyFoxx: uhm.... it should appear suddenly | 01:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes Simon with a stick. | 01:53 | |
| GreyFoxx | General: The charger itself is warming up, so I can only assume it's working | 01:53 |
| lardman | luckily Simon has just been to Aikido, so pokes back with a bokken | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try unplugging it and replugging it? | 01:54 |
| GreyFoxx | Andy: :/ | 01:54 |
| GreyFoxx | General: Yeah | 01:54 |
| GreyFoxx | Even different outlets | 01:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reboot the N810? | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming it's powered on? | 01:54 |
| Grackle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200401&posted=1#post200401 Man, that was pretty freaking lame.. | 01:54 |
| GreyFoxx | General. I took it out of the box, put in the battery and plugged it in | 01:55 |
| GreyFoxx | pressing and holding the power butter for 3 or 4 seconds seems to have no effect | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | New unit? | 01:55 |
| * Grackle had the package boxed up and ready to go, then gets an email to the effect of "lol just kidding, it's going on ebay" | 01:55 | |
| GreyFoxx | General: Yup, just arrived this afternoon | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 . . . so shouldn't be an OMAP timing issue. | 01:56 |
| GreyFoxx | Hmmm If I plug in the USB cable, and press the power butten the PC sees a new device | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'least, I've never heard of the OMAP timing issue affecting N810s | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, try this. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unplug it from USB and the charger. | 01:56 |
| GreyFoxx | k | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take the battery out for a few seconds | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | put the battery back in | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | then try to power it on. | 01:56 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: hrw had a timing issue with an N810 didn't he; there was that kernel-only release just before Diablo iirc | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 42-19 was a kernel-only release. | 01:57 |
| GreyFoxx | Just tried that, held the power button for a count of 10 and still nothing :/ | 01:57 |
| lardman | s/kernel/bootloader | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bootloader issue was 51-3 | 01:58 |
| GreyFoxx | plugged back in the usb cable and the PC sees it | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that's really weird | 01:58 |
| GreyFoxx | so it appears to be coming on but nothing on the screen | 01:58 |
| lardman | The battery should have enough charge to do something, Li-ion batteries are pre-conditioned afaik | 01:59 |
| GreyFoxx | that or the brightness is so low I can't make it out | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | GreyFoxx, does it mount any cards? | 01:59 |
| lardman | ah, didn't see that, /me goes back to sbc :) | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, holding it under a lamp should show you something if there's actually something on screen to be seen. | 01:59 |
| GreyFoxx | I'm plugging into my wife's windows laptops | 01:59 |
| GreyFoxx | I'llk plug it into a linux box and see if it shows up as usb drives | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should mount on Windows, too, if it's going to mount. | 02:00 |
| GreyFoxx | Do I need install any drivers under windows first? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll mount just like a USB flash drive. | 02:01 |
| GreyFoxx | It's asking me to search for drivers for it | 02:01 |
| GreyFoxx | (XP) | 02:01 |
| rm_you | that means its in flash mode IMO? | 02:01 |
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| lardman | sounds like it | 02:01 |
| GreyFoxx | and I don"t currently have micro/mini sd cards in it | 02:01 |
| rm_you | IE, it connected as a communication device, not storage | 02:01 |
| Veggen | GreyFoxx: oh. That explains. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it has a built-in 2gb card that it will mount. | 02:02 |
| Veggen | GeneralAntilles: ...unless you have enabled swap? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's new from factory, swap wont be enabled. | 02:02 |
| GreyFoxx | Ok, so it sounds like I need to find something to flash it with ? | 02:02 |
| rm_you | GreyFoxx: well, no | 02:03 |
| rm_you | if nothing is coming up on the screen... | 02:03 |
| GreyFoxx | I'm just afraid I'll have to ship it back and wait for a replacement and it's brand new :) | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it couldn't hurt too badly to try and flash. | 02:03 |
| GreyFoxx | Got a document or anything I can follow to do that with no screen needed ?:) | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linux or Windows | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both will work | 02:04 |
| Kegetys | for me the screen comes on even in the flash mode (if that's what you go to to update the firmware, by holding down the swap button) | 02:04 |
| GreyFoxx | sweet, thanks | 02:04 |
| lardman | can I add CFLAGS to a debian rules file? | 02:04 |
| lardman | or rather, how do I propagate CFLAGS? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | GreyFoxx, if flashing doesn't do anything (which I expect it wont), then my next recommendation is to leave it on the charger overnight (or for the next few hours) and see if anything changes. | 02:05 |
| GreyFoxx | k | 02:06 |
| lardman | probably pull the battery first, then put it back in and don't bother trying to switch it back on | 02:06 |
| lardman | just in case the flashing mode disables charging or something silly | 02:06 |
| lardman | fyi Just sticking CFLAGS = "blah" in there does work | 02:09 |
| GreyFoxx | Any reason I shouldn't grab the latest release ? | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope. | 02:10 |
| lardman | argh, why does it always have to be difficult? | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The world is conspiring against you, lardman. :P | 02:14 |
| lardman | :) | 02:14 |
| lardman | ah well, always look on the bright side & all that! | 02:14 |
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| lardman | bed time, I'll leave vfp sbc until the morrow | 02:15 |
| lardman | night all | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night. :) | 02:15 |
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| lbt | night | 02:32 |
| lcuk | GreyFoxx, you have checked you have removed any sticker things from the battery terminals havent you | 02:32 |
| lcuk | night lbt | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there aren't any sticker things on the battery terminals. | 02:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Igh | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | You broke Colloquy, lcuk. :P | 02:35 |
| lcuk | yer, blame it on me :P | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Colloquy needs an update | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how new messages randomly cause it to stop redrawing windows. | 02:36 |
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| GreyFoxx | Well poop. It successfully flashed but no screen activity | 03:18 |
| * jott slaps his isp | 03:18 | |
| GreyFoxx | and now I see nothing in windows at all when I turn it on | 03:18 |
| GreyFoxx | Looks like this will be going back tomorrow :/ | 03:19 |
| Grackle | :( | 03:20 |
| GAN800 | GreyFoxx, I know one other person who had display connector issues. Just bad luck. :( | 03:20 |
| GreyFoxx | yeah. Oh well, my birthday isn't for another week or so anyway | 03:20 |
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| GreyFoxx | this was an early gift from my mom | 03:20 |
| GreyFoxx | she was excited to finally be able to buy me a geek toy since normally she has no idea what to get me heh | 03:21 |
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| pupnik | anybody thinking of flying to the USA? | 03:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/ A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a... TASER... to be worn by all airline passengers. | 03:38 |
| texel | pupnik: eh?! | 03:38 |
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| pupnik | texel: just goes to illustrate their attitude towards us. We're cattle to them. | 03:41 |
| texel | pupnik: I'm a US citizen, and I'm appalled. | 03:41 |
| pupnik | Ron Paul wanted to abolish DHS. But nope, America didn't want to get off the crazy-train to naziville... | 03:42 |
| GAN800 | Woo! Woo! | 03:42 |
| nyu2 | o.O | 03:43 |
| nyu2 | That's insane! | 03:43 |
| pupnik | Not that i'll be implemented soon... | 03:44 |
| nyu2 | For great justice, find the code to turn them all on at once. | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | LMFAO | 03:47 |
| nyu2 | From the ground. | 03:47 |
| * pupnik falls over coughing | 03:47 | |
| nyu2 | Is there any particular reason I shouldn't use GDM on the debian bundle at http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian ? | 03:49 |
| pupnik | must be a thread for it over there | 03:51 |
| nyu2 | It's weird that it doesn't have a display manager preinstalled. | 03:51 |
| pupnik | perhaps there are space constraints | 03:53 |
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| nyu2 | I don't think so, really. It's meant to be installed on a sdhc card. | 03:54 |
| nyu2 | Memory overhead, maybe... | 03:54 |
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| nyu2 | Hm. I wonder if I can strip it down to text-mode only? | 03:55 |
| lcuk | nyu2, that is the single most incredible idea I have ever seen anyone post :) however you will probably now and forever be included in some government watch list | 03:59 |
| nyu2 | Oh, probably. | 03:59 |
| nyu2 | I wouldn't be surprised if I already was. | 04:00 |
| nyu2 | But more importantly, if I can come up with it, someone with the will to do it can, too. | 04:00 |
| lcuk | i know, thats the reason it should never be implemented | 04:00 |
| nyu2 | Suggest that it be included on EVERY flight, by EVERY passenger. Including the President. | 04:01 |
| lcuk | and the captain | 04:01 |
| nyu2 | And the secret service. | 04:01 |
| nyu2 | And the air marshals. | 04:01 |
| lcuk | and all the crew | 04:01 |
| nyu2 | Yep. | 04:02 |
| lcuk | cant leave loopholes | 04:02 |
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| nyu2 | This country is built around loopholes. | 04:02 |
| DarthFredd | DIABLO | 04:02 |
| nyu2 | It's annoying. | 04:02 |
| DarthFredd | Man I love loops, and certain holes. | 04:02 |
| lcuk | DarthFredd, is that a hint to get back on topic? | 04:02 |
| DarthFredd | I don't suppose any of you know anything about..starting one's own private diablo server? | 04:02 |
| nyu2 | The game? No, sorry. | 04:03 |
| lcuk | can you get diablo the game on diablo the operating system? | 04:03 |
| DarthFredd | Aw man | 04:03 |
| m-c | I have a FSF sticker on the back of my N800 | 04:03 |
| DarthFredd | Damn these simple IRC searches! | 04:03 |
| nyu2 | Probably not. Unless you have an x86-to-armel recompiler up your sleeve. | 04:03 |
| lcuk | are you talking about a webserver? | 04:03 |
| DarthFredd | No dudes, I was talking about the game. Sorry! | 04:03 |
| lcuk | there is a dosbox | 04:04 |
| lcuk | lol DarthFredd :) dont worry | 04:04 |
| nyu2 | Hm. qemu? | 04:04 |
| lcuk | blame nokia for naming the OS release without doin a google first | 04:04 |
| DarthFredd | lcuk: is your nick pronounced lé cock or lhouck? | 04:04 |
| m-c | where is qwerty? | 04:04 |
| DarthFredd | l'cu'k | 04:04 |
| lcuk | probably in bed | 04:05 |
| DarthFredd | ah, maemo is a mobile OS? | 04:05 |
| lcuk | ive never tried to pronounce it, its kinda new and wasnt meant to stick, but you can call me "ell sea you kay" | 04:05 |
| lcuk | or just luck as most manage | 04:05 |
| * nyu2 blinks at DarthFredd. | 04:05 | |
| nyu2 | Um, yes? | 04:05 |
| DarthFredd | fucking brilliant | 04:05 |
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| lcuk | nyu2 the whole world has known diablo is a game for much longer than internet tablets running linux have been around calling a revision of their os diablo | 04:06 |
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| nyu2 | I know. But he's here, and asking about Maemo? | 04:06 |
| nyu2 | The topic doesn't even mention Diablo. | 04:07 |
| nyu2 | Oh, no. I guess it does. | 04:07 |
| lcuk | <DarthFredd> No dudes, I was talking about the game. Sorry! | 04:07 |
| nyu2 | Hm. | 04:07 |
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| lcuk | :P | 04:07 |
| nyu2 | Yeah, yeah. | 04:07 |
| nyu2 | Just wait until wearing those bracelets becomes proof of citizenship. | 04:08 |
| DarthFredd | Yeh, get a fuckin' clue you thickskulled codeclefter :{P | 04:08 |
| DarthFredd | right, sorry to intrude on your OSS circlejerk | 04:08 |
| nyu2 | ... | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK then. | 04:08 |
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| nyu2 | Huh. Now I remember why I stick to smaller IRC servers. | 04:08 |
| lcuk | CITIZEN "nyu2" FROM "nyu2.hometown" YOU HAVE BEEN TEH NORTY! BZZZZZZZT! | 04:08 |
| nyu2 | Less trolls. | 04:08 |
| * nyu2 nods to lcuk. | 04:09 | |
| lcuk | thats the first sweary troll i think ive ever seen | 04:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're mostly spam trolls here | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | We get one about once every 2-3 weeks. | 04:10 |
| nyu2 | Oh, ick. | 04:10 |
| lcuk | yer, there will be more with diablo thinking about it | 04:10 |
| lcuk | it does make sense, and i had realised but not REALISED what it meant | 04:11 |
| nyu2 | Put it at the end of the topic? Less people will see it. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just take it off | 04:11 |
| lcuk | and of course, blizzard have just announced diablo 3 havent they | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been long enough | 04:11 |
| nyu2 | t least it isn't World of Diablo... yet. | 04:11 |
| pupnik | the channel is still called #maemo... | 04:11 |
| lcuk | diablo is not mmorg, they dont need to compete with themselves yet | 04:12 |
| lcuk | maemo != diablo though | 04:12 |
| lcuk | and thats the problem | 04:12 |
| nyu2 | They're still sitting onWorld of Starcraft, too. | 04:12 |
| lcuk | starcraft isnt as big over here as in taiwan is it | 04:12 |
| nyu2 | I don't know. I never really played it. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Starcraft has some incredible longevity. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12 years and counting | 04:13 |
| lcuk | theres a lot of similar games | 04:13 |
| lcuk | the missus still plays and buys upgrades for sims | 04:13 |
| nyu2 | RTS games aren't my favorite genre. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're speaking generally of RTS games. :P | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Longevity. | 04:13 |
| nyu2 | Aha. | 04:13 |
| nyu2 | Nethack? | 04:14 |
| lcuk | i still play ut99 | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:14 |
| nyu2 | Oooh. Is there a nethack for Diablo yet? | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they had gotten around to updating UT99 for OS X. | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | UT99 had some badass mods | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of the UT2003/4 mods stack up | 04:14 |
| lcuk | runs amazingly well on any hardware, is quick and lets me pretend to fly *whilst shooting shit to smithareens* | 04:14 |
| lcuk | all laters UTs make the hardware get a similar feeling to using vista | 04:15 |
| nyu2 | Heh. | 04:15 |
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| lcuk | it feels slow no matter what hardware you throw at it | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | TacOps, Defense Alliance, Strangelove, Battle Bots | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are endless awesome mods for UT99. | 04:15 |
| lcuk | its like working in hildon desktop versus liqbase ;) | 04:15 |
| nyu2 | Oh, liqbase looks interesting. Also, nice accent. | 04:17 |
| lcuk | bleugh | 04:17 |
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| nyu2 | Where can I get it? | 04:18 |
| nyu2 | Ah, found it. Will it run on Debian? | 04:20 |
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| lcuk | nyu2, will what run? liqbase? | 04:23 |
| nyu2 | Yes. Is it a static binary, or dynamic? | 04:23 |
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| lcuk | theres libs required. source is available if you wanna have a hack about | 04:24 |
| lcuk | i dont think it compiles directly for anything other than maemo for now | 04:24 |
| nyu2 | Hm. I might install a dev environment on this thing, and see if it'll compile, then. | 04:24 |
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| lcuk | its been attempted in the past | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | i know theres nokia specific bugs in there that need cleaning before it will work | 04:25 |
| * nyu2 nods. | 04:25 | |
| lcuk | but then again, im not targetting it at anything other than my nokia | 04:25 |
| nyu2 | I've only got an n800 right now, but it should work, right? | 04:25 |
| lcuk | in the future i know the tweaks required will be simple enough | 04:25 |
| lcuk | and i have ideas about that | 04:26 |
| lcuk | oh yes | 04:26 |
| nyu2 | Too bad you can't render PDFs at that speed. | 04:26 |
| lcuk | ive got a keyboard though, and the default OSK doesnt pop - its an overlay ontop of the desktop | 04:26 |
| nyu2 | It would be nice. | 04:26 |
| nyu2 | Ah, yeah. | 04:26 |
| lcuk | find something that gives the pdf as an object model with expected locations and render it | 04:27 |
| nyu2 | I've got a bluetooth keyboard. | 04:27 |
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| lcuk | its fairly simple, you can load whatever fonts you want | 04:27 |
| nyu2 | I suspect that the machine just won't be fast enough. | 04:27 |
| lcuk | you can say draw this text here | 04:27 |
| lcuk | why do you say that? | 04:27 |
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| nyu2 | Because I've seen PDFs bog down machines more than 10 times as fast? | 04:28 |
| lcuk | you see me scrolling through hundreds of items and pages of text - ive got enough speed to render whole display quickly | 04:28 |
| lcuk | thats loading the assets | 04:28 |
| nyu2 | Hm. | 04:28 |
| lcuk | its resizing textual content on the fly | 04:28 |
| lcuk | as a proof of concept the text can be rendered | 04:29 |
| lcuk | then work out an algo to handle images | 04:29 |
| nyu2 | Makes sense. | 04:29 |
| lcuk | thats the way im currently thinking about html | 04:29 |
| lcuk | but shhh ;) noone knows about that yet | 04:29 |
| nyu2 | Heh. | 04:29 |
| nyu2 | Lit would be another good target. | 04:29 |
| lcuk | thats hopefully another "surprise" | 04:29 |
| nyu2 | Oh, is the max text size still 4mb? | 04:30 |
| lcuk | theres lots of possible things - if i document the process and clean up whats available and most of all make it simple, i could get some people willing to talk to specific formats | 04:30 |
| lcuk | no, i upped it to 32mb for now ;) | 04:30 |
| nyu2 | Also, can it handle wide text? | 04:30 |
| nyu2 | Ah, good. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lit support? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just expand it to HTML. . . . | 04:31 |
| lcuk | same reason you want .doc support or anything | 04:31 |
| nyu2 | Well, I suppose so. | 04:31 |
| nyu2 | But the extra conversion step is annoying. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, lit support would best be implemented by having convertlit expand it before the reader just uses the html. | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Direct support would be a waste of time. | 04:32 |
| nyu2 | Yes. | 04:32 |
| lcuk | well find a way for liqbase to automatically convert on the fly between known formats and displayable formats | 04:32 |
| nyu2 | Call external programs, I guess. | 04:32 |
| lcuk | like some kind of object model containing pages and lines and words in fonts and pictures | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, Media Converter is kinda old. | 04:33 |
| * lcuk has all that in visual basic | 04:33 | |
| nyu2 | Are you going to be able to handle CJK characters? | 04:33 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:33 |
| lcuk | heh! not unless i suddenly become foreign | 04:33 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so, you have it set up so the reader displays... pngs? jpegs? | 04:34 |
| rm_you | essentially? | 04:34 |
| nyu2 | Oh, that's depressing. | 04:34 |
| lcuk | i can load a subset from the fonts and i assume it can be controlled MUCH better than i have | 04:34 |
| lcuk | rm_you, load liqbase | 04:34 |
| lcuk | goto options | 04:34 |
| rm_you | you said one of those was already natively in the right layer | 04:34 |
| rm_you | err | 04:34 |
| nyu2 | I was hoping that you were planning on full unicode support. | 04:34 |
| rm_you | had the right format in some layer | 04:34 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: k? | 04:35 |
| lcuk | nyu2, not a current priority - tbh fonts might even be dropped entirely if something im thinking of comes out | 04:35 |
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| lcuk | blit test | 04:35 |
| rm_you | right | 04:35 |
| rm_you | i saw that | 04:35 |
| rm_you | is that png or jpeg? | 04:36 |
| rm_you | or neither? | 04:36 |
| lcuk | that is a fullcolor inmemory bitmap in yuv format | 04:36 |
| lcuk | neither | 04:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:36 |
| rm_you | i thought you said that either png or jpeg was natively yuv | 04:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, heh, I've been thinking about the fonts not needed topic :P | 04:36 |
| lcuk | hand drawn, there is a jpeg library out there that can supply me with jpeg data in yuv format | 04:36 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so, you could essentially get it to load any jpeg? | 04:37 |
| lcuk | yes | 04:37 |
| lcuk | crash, grab latest source, compile: create sketches which say the words monday -> sunday and save them with titles of monday to sunday | 04:37 |
| rm_you | so if you had backends that could convert a format to jpeg, ie pdf -> jpg, LaTeX -> jpg, etc... it would be fairly quick to impliment to formats | 04:37 |
| lcuk | a format to YUV bitplanes | 04:38 |
| rm_you | or would you rather actually have native support? | 04:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, sorry, my NIT's battery is dead, won't be able to test | 04:38 |
| lcuk | jpeg however saves at YUV correct resolution, thats the simplest to grab | 04:38 |
| lcuk | thats ok crashanddie :) its just the startings initial sizing test for an os calendar | 04:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I figured :P | 04:39 |
| lcuk | any other image formats require conversion from RGB file data to YUV screen data | 04:39 |
| lcuk | if i were to make an image viewer, it would be faster than anything on this device for YUV | 04:39 |
| nyu2 | Hm. netpbm or imlib2? | 04:40 |
| lcuk | jpeg ^ | 04:40 |
| lcuk | rarer than but valid if they save yuv | 04:40 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, feature request: the bookreader needs to support links, and save state of book [page] when closing | 04:40 |
| lcuk | anyway, its late and ive got work in the morning | 04:40 |
| lcuk | i would love to chat more | 04:40 |
| lcuk | links to where? | 04:40 |
| crashanddie | either itself, or the interwebs | 04:41 |
| lcuk | book state saving is a given as is key mapping and font sizing and scrolling speeds and a whole host of other things | 04:41 |
| lcuk | interwebs needs html | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | no it doesn't | 04:41 |
| lcuk | or at least sockets | 04:41 |
| rm_you | nah could just load the browser | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | yup | 04:41 |
| lcuk | bleugh | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, browser as a third wheel solution | 04:42 |
| lcuk | how would the browser be visible on its backscreen when the overlay is on? | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | that's what I meant by "save state of book when closing" | 04:42 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so do you think that converting pdf to jpeg in the background to display it that way would be... suboptimal? | 04:42 |
| lcuk | what benefit would be gained from loading a book to shutting down and running the browser | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | rm_you, quite | 04:42 |
| rm_you | would you rather try to go for actual native pdf support? | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | pdf is complex and heavy | 04:43 |
| crashanddie | if you add that, I'd say we'd need to think of modules | 04:43 |
| lcuk | rm_you, image portions of the pdf need decoding onto an image surface, however pdf is a page based document with text pinned in place at specific locations and fonts | 04:44 |
| nyu2 | Modules aren't bad. | 04:44 |
| nyu2 | Would be interesting to turn it into a complete hildon replacement. | 04:44 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes but there ARE already pdf->jpeg converters, that create one jpeg per page, and essentially looks identical to the pdf page | 04:44 |
| rm_you | and i think i know one that is open source | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | I think I wrote one in PHP | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | :-° | 04:45 |
| lcuk | yer, but very inelegent and wasteful for text based pdfs | 04:45 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | plus | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | there's no way it would be smooth when loading a 20+ page | 04:45 |
| lcuk | if its open source then it knows how to read a pdf (its open standard i think?) and so it will know where to draw text in certain locations | 04:45 |
| rm_you | though reorganizing text (for, IE, zooming) and keeping track of image positions might be complex? | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | pdf file** | 04:46 |
| lcuk | instead of writing to a fluffing bitmap tweak it a bit to write to screen | 04:46 |
| rm_you | crashanddie: it only needs to load like 5 pages at a time... current, +/- 2 | 04:46 |
| rm_you | or so | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | still | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | I don't know how memory usage is in liqbase | 04:47 |
| lcuk | yes rm_you, its as complex as managing hundreds of recursive sketches on screen ;) | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, anybody have an opinion on this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Manual_conversion_instructions | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stay or go? | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'm with dneary, most of that stuff should go. | 04:47 |
| crashanddie | stay | 04:47 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | People can go to those tool's respective websites if they want to learn how to use them | 04:47 |
| rm_you | i might be up for rewriting that, GA | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | throwing magic incantations at them isn't very useful. | 04:47 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 04:47 |
| crashanddie | if not stay | 04:47 |
| rm_you | since video conversion is like... my thing <_< | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | it mostly just manages to clutter up the page and confuse them. | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | at least give it a dedicated page | 04:48 |
| lcuk | right, sleeping :) gnite chaps - we shall no doubt talk more | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, like always | 04:48 |
| rm_you | ok lcuk | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, good night | 04:48 |
| rm_you | will catch you when you wake up | 04:48 |
| rm_you | and i will still be up :P | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | he doesn't sleep | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | he just pretends | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I think "transcode" section should go entirely (I've never heard of it), and the mencoder and ffmpeg sections should be downsized to a paragraph or two each. | 04:49 |
| lcuk | gnite GeneralAntilles ill stay out of this linuxy thing *waves hands* | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night, lcuk. :P | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to strip the last section off into its own page (say, "Manual video encoding") that'd work. | 04:50 |
| nyu2 | Transcode is useful. | 04:54 |
| nyu2 | But maximum bitrates would be useful. | 04:55 |
| nyu2 | Err, more useful. | 04:55 |
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| nyu2 | Why condense it? Move it to an 'examples' page instead? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because the goal isn't to scare people away. | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | talking about tablet-encode | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | I never got around solving this | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/tablet-encode line 526. | 04:59 |
| nyu2 | Where is tablet-encode? | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=455 | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ | 04:59 |
| nyu2 | Ah, found it. | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | '-_- | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | sometimes, I feel like the answers we give are useless | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're useless. | 05:00 |
| crashanddie | Thank you | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/You're/ur/ | 05:00 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: ur useless. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, think you can flesh out the limitations section to be a little more useful? | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It needs some general guidelines for resolution/bitrate | 05:02 |
| nyu2 | crashanddie, which version are you using? | 05:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles is gonna have to stop doing all the WPotD articles. <_< | 05:04 | |
| crashanddie | nyu2, latest | 05:04 |
| crashanddie | 2.18 IIRC | 05:04 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, WPotD ? | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wiki Page of the Day | 05:04 |
| nyu2 | That looks like the output file name. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary's campaign isn't working so well. :P | 05:05 |
| nyu2 | It crashes instead of launching a gui? | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | my %data = $list =~ /^ (\w+)\s*-\s*(.*)$/mg; | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 05:05 |
| nyu2 | Then your perl is missing a component. | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | mplayer doesn't support lavc encoder | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | I get that, too :-° | 05:06 |
| nyu2 | At the top, there're a list of 'use' commands. | 05:06 |
| nyu2 | Huh. | 05:06 |
| nyu2 | What distro are you using? | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahahaha | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/021838.html | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I loled | 05:06 |
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| nyu2 | 'apt-get install apt-get'? | 05:07 |
| nyu2 | ^_^ | 05:07 |
| crashanddie | nyu2, buntu | 05:07 |
| nyu2 | Hm. | 05:08 |
| nyu2 | It works on mine. | 05:08 |
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| crashanddie | nevermind | 05:08 |
| crashanddie | I'll just keep using mencoder, like always :P | 05:08 |
| nyu2 | You're probably missing something in perl, like I said. | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't imagine what | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | me neither | 05:09 |
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| nyu2 | Well, install the 'use' command components using cpan? | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa'll be able to tell you when he wakes up. :P | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mediaserv is pretty badass | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So it's definitely worth figuring out. | 05:10 |
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| crashanddie | found it | 05:11 |
| nyu2 | No, I guess not. Commenting them ot doesn't get your error. | 05:11 |
| nyu2 | What was it? | 05:11 |
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| crashanddie | I had a hacked up version of mencoder | 05:11 |
| nyu2 | Oh. | 05:11 |
| nyu2 | Makes sense. | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | h4ck3r | 05:12 |
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| crashanddie | better and better | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | *** unhandled exception in callback: | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | *** Can't use string ("/home/crashanddie/Desktop/test.a") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/bin/tablet-encode line 173. | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | bleh | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | I'm tired | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie | see you guys tomorrow | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | night | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | 'night | 05:14 |
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| prez00 | so there still aren't any central american cities on tablet... | 05:43 |
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| prez00 | can i manually add my hometown? | 05:44 |
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| rm_you | prez00: there are | 06:13 |
| rm_you | prez00: or... where exactly are you? | 06:14 |
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| prez00 | rm_you, managua,nicaragua | 06:16 |
| rm_you | there should be some that are on the same UTC +/- | 06:17 |
| rm_you | even if they arent local | 06:17 |
| prez00 | guess nokia didn't figure there'd be tablets in central america ;-) | 06:17 |
| prez00 | utc -6 | 06:18 |
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| rm_you | thats central USA too i think | 06:20 |
| rm_you | without DST | 06:20 |
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| prez00 | exactly. | 06:21 |
| rm_you | Arizona? | 06:22 |
| rm_you | arizona doesnt have DST | 06:22 |
| rm_you | ah might not be central quite... | 06:22 |
| rm_you | not sure | 06:22 |
| prez00 | i am impressed with diablo, much more usable, snappier everywhere... | 06:22 |
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| prez00 | chicago is utc -6 but dst | 06:23 |
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| pekuja | is there any reasonable way to run Scratchbox in Windows? | 06:45 |
| pekuja | or any way at all? | 06:45 |
| pekuja | (easy or reasonable way preferred) | 06:46 |
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| befr0d | pekuja, VMware + indt virtual machine image? | 07:16 |
| pekuja | yeah, that could basically work | 07:18 |
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| befr0d | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 07:24 |
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| atul | When launching Display on Xehpyer it give this Error message, [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: Error, the DISPLAY environment variable is not defined. DISPLAY must be host:display when using sbrsh in Scratchbox and X forwarding will be used. If you use Xephyr, set DISPLAY to :N,where 'N' is the display number passed to Xephyr in command line. | 07:36 |
| befr0d | export DISPLAY=:2 | 07:39 |
| befr0d | wait, what do you mean launching display on xephyr? | 07:40 |
| befr0d | you need to start xephyr, then export DISPLAY, then run af-sb-init.sh | 07:41 |
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| atul | befr0d: Yes after starting Xephyr when I export display and run af-ab-init.sh I got that error message | 07:51 |
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| befr0d | atul, the error is pretty clear, you have not set the DISPLAY env variable correctly | 08:16 |
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| befr0d | I know there is a warning regarding the DISPLAY variable, but it works | 08:17 |
| atul | befr0d: ya ur right now its working after exporting display | 08:19 |
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| skibur | diablo and python 2.5 | 08:21 |
| skibur | I don't see it in application manager | 08:21 |
| skibur | Red or Blue pill? | 08:21 |
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| atul | befr0d: thanks | 08:26 |
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| prez00 | will kismet or something similar run on n8x0? | 08:31 |
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| rm_you | skibur: dunno, if you install something like... ukmp or canola, it should pull in python for you | 08:37 |
| skibur | ano ok | 08:37 |
| skibur | yeah | 08:37 |
| rm_you | i think those both require python | 08:37 |
| skibur | got it | 08:37 |
| rm_you | k | 08:37 |
| skibur | I want to install Debian on my sd card | 08:37 |
| skibur | I'm booting from the SD card, but it only asked for MMC1 or 2 | 08:38 |
| skibur | but now root | 08:38 |
| skibur | :( | 08:38 |
| rm_you | hrm | 08:38 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 | 08:38 |
| rm_you | sorry, i would try to help but just heading out <_< was just checking stuff before i left | 08:39 |
| skibur | thats ok | 08:39 |
| skibur | need to hit the sack in bit | 08:39 |
| skibur | later | 08:39 |
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| lopz | hi | 09:14 |
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| Italodance | hi | 09:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Heh, you can even find johnx's debian on edonkey :P | 09:29 |
| johnx | O_o | 09:30 |
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| * johnx wonders why | 09:30 | |
| qwerty12 | All I'm looking for the the l3 l4 of the n800 :( | 09:30 |
| bman | n800 ftw | 09:31 |
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| rororo | hi, evince tells me there's no Ghostscript-Interpreter in PATH; what did I do wrong? | 09:37 |
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| skibur | :) | 09:49 |
| skibur | Debian on SD Card | 09:49 |
| johnx | cool. :D working well for you? | 09:49 |
| skibur | trying to | 09:50 |
| skibur | I have Diablo + KDE | 09:50 |
| skibur | on a 4GB SD | 09:50 |
| skibur | repartition | 09:51 |
| skibur | repartitioning my SD card | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | It would probably be easier just buying an cheap 2gb. | 09:51 |
| bex | howbig is kde | 09:51 |
| bex | ? | 09:51 |
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| skibur | 1.3GB | 09:52 |
| johnx | yeah, you should be able to split it into 2 2GB parts | 09:52 |
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| skibur | yup | 09:52 |
| skibur | :P | 09:52 |
| Italodance | what's rdesktop? | 09:52 |
| johnx | Italodance, "rdesktop is an open source client for Windows Terminal Services" - http://www.rdesktop.org/ | 09:53 |
| Italodance | johnx tnx do u have the screenshots for IT? | 09:54 |
| skibur | just got debian etch on my Nintendo Wii | 09:54 |
| johnx | nope, but try google | 09:54 |
| skibur | :P | 09:54 |
| Italodance | ok | 09:54 |
| johnx | skibur, awesome. what hardware works? | 09:54 |
| johnx | or rather, what doesn't work? :D | 09:54 |
| skibur | everything works fine, but needs Wifi | 09:54 |
| skibur | its just the base right now | 09:55 |
| bex | has anyone set up free landline/mobile calling with gizmo? | 09:56 |
| * johnx googles about linux/wii | 09:58 | |
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| bex | wii? | 09:58 |
| johnx | nintendo wii | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | u serious? | 09:58 |
| bex | oh you are putting linux on it? | 09:58 |
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| johnx | well, that's the idea | 09:58 |
| skibur | Firefox fixed the Memory issue, but now it suck a lot of power | 09:58 |
| skibur | yeah | 09:59 |
| skibur | I have Linux on my Nintendo Wii | 09:59 |
| bex | why? | 09:59 |
| johnx | why not? | 09:59 |
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| bex | well what do you use it for | 09:59 |
| johnx | at this stage: playing | 10:00 |
| johnx | but everything started as playing, like that internet thing | 10:00 |
| skibur | I creating a "Lights Out" game for the Wii | 10:00 |
| johnx | media playback would be nice | 10:00 |
| skibur | I'm* | 10:00 |
| skibur | yeah | 10:01 |
| bex | does it still play games? | 10:01 |
| skibur | they already have it | 10:01 |
| skibur | its called "Miidia" | 10:01 |
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| johnx | bex, yeah, it's a dual boot kinda thing | 10:01 |
| skibur | I watched a movie on a mplayer | 10:01 |
| bex | oh | 10:01 |
| trickie | morning | 10:04 |
| skibur | morning | 10:05 |
| skibur | and good night | 10:05 |
| skibur | :P | 10:05 |
| skibur | later | 10:05 |
| trickie | ha, see ya | 10:06 |
| skibur | need to hit the sack | 10:06 |
| skibur | Linux RuleZ!!! | 10:06 |
| johnx | 'night skibur | 10:06 |
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| prez00 | linux rules almost 1% of market! ;-) | 10:31 |
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| atul | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit | 10:31 |
| atul | Reading package lists... Done | 10:31 |
| atul | Building dependency tree... Done | 10:31 |
| atul | E: Couldn't find package maemo-explicit | 10:31 |
| atul | why so ? | 10:31 |
| atul | lbt: any idea | 10:32 |
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| jackg | hi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800? | 10:42 |
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| jackg | >hi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the N800's wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800? | 10:45 |
| bman | what are you actually try8ing to do? | 10:46 |
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| jackg | I just want to configure aodv mode both pc and N800, so i can use gstreamer to transmit video file | 10:48 |
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| jackg | between pc and n800 | 10:48 |
| bman | hrmm | 10:50 |
| bman | cool | 10:50 |
| bman | id be interested in how to do that | 10:50 |
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| jackg | But I have hard problem. it has tortured me for a long time | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: ping (tablet-encode problems) | 11:02 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 11:25 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you still awake? | 11:25 |
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| rm_you | of course | 11:25 |
| lcuk_work | heh | 11:26 |
| lcuk_work | as i was dozing off last night i realised as a proof of concept it might be a good idea to try the image pdf thing, ill tell you once actual loading is implemented | 11:26 |
| lcuk_work | but im in work now, we shall talk later :) | 11:27 |
| rm_you | heh ok | 11:29 |
| rm_you | i can get to work on the backend for that | 11:29 |
| rm_you | or at least a script to do it | 11:29 |
| rm_you | which would be fine for ME for the meantime, as long as i can read em :P | 11:29 |
| lcuk_work | it may not work really well, but it will give enough of an idea | 11:29 |
| rm_you | do you have it semi-set-up to load the yuv jpegs? | 11:29 |
| lcuk_work | ie scaling to size and stuff will not be in place (yet) | 11:29 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 11:30 |
| lcuk_work | i have it setup to render YUV bitmaps | 11:30 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 11:30 |
| rm_you | i will work on... something. | 11:30 |
| lcuk_work | i*know* the code exists to extract the YUV information from images | 11:30 |
| lcuk_work | the nokia loading screen (hands and scrollbar) is open source and uses the jpeg library | 11:30 |
| lcuk_work | in the way we require (its also got other goodness in there as well) | 11:31 |
| lcuk_work | but gahhhh not now - back later | 11:31 |
| rm_you | k | 11:31 |
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| ddenis | hi. has anybody seen link errors like this with diablo x86 under scratchbox? `.L894' referenced in section `.rodata' of .obj/debug-shared/qdrawhelper.o: defined in discarded section `.text._Z13qt_memconvert ...? | 11:40 |
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| jackg | ensonic_ are you here? | 11:52 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: ping | 12:05 |
| pekuja | hm, is it not possible to use dpkg directly inside scratchbox? | 12:06 |
| pekuja | I'm trying to manually install a package I have sitting on my disk | 12:06 |
| bman | dpkg -i filename | 12:07 |
| RST38h | it was possible before | 12:07 |
| pekuja | yes I know, but I get Permission denied | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm pretty sure it still is ;) | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | pekuja: fakeroot dpkg -i filename | 12:08 |
| pekuja | ah, thanks | 12:08 |
| pekuja | hmmm, no | 12:08 |
| pekuja | I'm trying to install a new toolchain | 12:08 |
| pekuja | and I don't seem to have access to /scratchbox/compilers | 12:08 |
| pekuja | llunch -> | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | XFade: I vaguely remember people reporting problems with dpkg in diablo sb | 12:09 |
| RST38h | nothing fundamental though | 12:10 |
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| melmoth | 33 rue de Toul, 75012 Paris | 12:45 |
| melmoth | oups | 12:45 |
| melmoth | Crap | 12:45 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Ping | 12:51 |
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| |tbb| | i wonder the built in camera can take pictures like that | 12:52 |
| |tbb| | anyone using kagu with a2dp | 12:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: pong | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Did you receive your acceptance mail for the summit? | 12:53 |
| lardman | X-Fade: nope | 12:53 |
| lardman | X-Fade: is that the expected outcome? :) | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Ehm, no ;) | 12:56 |
| lardman | :) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | lardman: That is what I was checking ;) | 12:56 |
| lardman | np :) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | I saw that Quim approved requests, so I had to check. | 12:56 |
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| lardman | ah ok, well I'll keep my fingers crossed | 12:57 |
| lardman | bbiam | 12:57 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Well, you have been approved. | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | Ehm accepted. | 12:57 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: cool :) | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | yes ;) | 13:26 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: But still, you should have received an email about that.. | 13:26 |
| lardman | afraid not | 13:26 |
| lardman | plenty of time yet though, so not a big issue | 13:28 |
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| lcuk_work | lardman, the mail comes from "nobody" check your spam just in case | 13:30 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: My spam is either marked ++SPAM++ or sent to /dev/null if it's really spammy, nothing I can do about it | 13:30 |
| * lcuk_work had a rule for that and almost lost it | 13:30 | |
| lardman | ah | 13:31 |
| lcuk_work | depending on what you put in the application it might have been "I want to talk about cailis and enlarging my pen 15" | 13:31 |
| lardman | the wonders of Outlook rules | 13:31 |
| lardman | My apologies, it was moved, had maemo somewhere in it | 13:31 |
| lcuk_work | gmail actually - i had a massive joe jobbing which originated at nobody@ | 13:32 |
| * lardman is slightly embarrassed | 13:32 | |
| lardman | X-Fade: hope I didn't cause you too much head scratching | 13:32 |
| lcuk_work | lol | 13:32 |
| lardman | at least it wasn't purged by the uni's mail server anyway | 13:33 |
| * X-Fade pokes lardman with a sharp stick ;) | 13:33 | |
| * lardman deserves that | 13:33 | |
| * lcuk_work creates a rule in outlook to remind lardman to check his global "unread mail" filter at the top ;) | 13:34 | |
| lcuk_work | or are you using a really old outlook? | 13:34 |
| lardman | I have so many unread mails, all the mailing list stuff just gets moved and remains unread - i read the deleted ones in the inbox before purging the imap server | 13:35 |
| lardman | Outlook rules are also really crap, they don't do what you want them to | 13:36 |
| lardman | could be user error though I guess | 13:37 |
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| ddenis | all: is it possible to upgrade gcc that is used in DIABLO_X86 target? 3.4.4 it too old and produces link errors for me. | 13:52 |
| zap_ | Anybody knows at which level on N800 the central joystick button is handled? Can the onscreen keyboard be disabled somehow to not appear when it is pressed? | 13:55 |
| guardian_ | i'm mostly lurking here for months and drifted out maemo dev a bit. what's the future of hildon and such now that nokia acquired trolltech | 13:57 |
| guardian_ | are there known plans ? will a next version of the device use Qt instead of GTK ? | 13:57 |
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| melmoth | ddenis: i do not know, but i would love to know if this is possible too :-) | 14:01 |
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| ddenis | melmoth: well it doesn't look like it is easy. at least I can't find any info on what patches are applyed to it (except ones in debian/patches) and what oss8 means... | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | guardian_: Gtk isn't going anywhere. Next version of Maemo (codenamed: Fremantle) will contain the community-supplied Qt4 from qt4.garage.maemo.org. The version after that (Harmattan) will contain an officially supported, fully integrated and presumably indistinguishable Qt. | 14:06 |
| guardian_ | will hildon desktop move to Qt then ? | 14:06 |
| AStorm | no, why? | 14:07 |
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| AStorm | first, they should fix hildon-input-method | 14:07 |
| guardian | fix in what sense ? | 14:07 |
| AStorm | (e.g. by using AccessX) | 14:07 |
| AStorm | for all modifiers and apps | 14:07 |
| AStorm | make it non-hack | 14:07 |
| AStorm | currently it's a gtk2 hack | 14:08 |
| guardian | why do you call it a hack ? | 14:08 |
| AStorm | it is one | 14:08 |
| guardian | currently it's a GtkIMContext working as a host | 14:08 |
| guardian | i can't see the hack in this | 14:08 |
| AStorm | non-hack, X-global is accessx sicky keys | 14:08 |
| AStorm | they reimplemented it for GTK only | 14:08 |
| guardian | well wouldn't xim be the way to go ? | 14:08 |
| AStorm | no, xim is for weird languages | 14:09 |
| AStorm | AccessX is for accessibility, like sticky keys, hold keys, etc. | 14:09 |
| guardian | still | 14:09 |
| guardian | an input method plugin needs to send back unicode character strings | 14:09 |
| AStorm | why? | 14:09 |
| AStorm | it only needs to send keystrokes | 14:09 |
| guardian | i don't agree, i'm coding handwriting recognition :D | 14:09 |
| AStorm | ah, that, yes | 14:10 |
| AStorm | then it's ok | 14:10 |
| AStorm | but it still should send key events, for additional usability | 14:10 |
| guardian | i can remap the keyboard on the fly with UTF8 keysyms, but THAT is hackish | 14:10 |
| guardian | true, you need both | 14:10 |
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| guardian | in fact for what i've followed from the moblin project, they have the same problems | 14:11 |
| guardian | they couldn't use hildon input method at one time because the browser wasn't gtk based | 14:11 |
| guardian | now i don't know what they chose since then | 14:11 |
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| lcuk_work | seen KotCzarny | 14:39 |
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| lcuk_work | hmmm, how does the bot thing work | 14:39 |
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| florian | ~seen KotCzarny | 14:43 |
| infobot | kotczarny <n=ariel@68.162.32.101> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21d 12h 49m 28s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'. | 14:43 |
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| lcuk_work | florian, thanks :) | 14:46 |
| * lcuk_work wonders how he has a pm from him from this morning | 14:46 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Because he was on freenode but not in the channel saying things? | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, ping | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | or pong | 14:48 |
| lcuk_work | i thought you had to be in the chan to say anything | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | not a PM | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, you can send private messages just by being connected to the server | 14:48 |
| lcuk_work | fair enough | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | /msg nick "This is a PM" | 14:48 |
| lcuk_work | nick must be thinking "yer, its a pm but wtf!" | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | let's try | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | * nick :No such nick/channel | 14:49 |
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| florian | lcuk_work: yw | 14:50 |
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| lcuk_work | ok, supposing he was somewhere on freenode, can i check where he might be - i seem to recall something which listed the chans | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | Hmm | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | /whois | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | /whois | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | and //whowas | 14:51 |
| lcuk_work | ive not had a logout msg in the pm window | 14:51 |
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| lcuk_work | yer, just on server | 14:53 |
| * lcuk_work curses the elusive mr Czarny. hes like Keizer Soze | 14:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Except much less cool. | 14:54 |
| lcuk_work | well, there is that | 14:55 |
| lcuk_work | and they havent made a movie about him | 14:55 |
| * lcuk_work gets back to real work anyway - ill send him a mail in a bit | 14:56 | |
| crashanddie | WoW | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | 8 emails | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | 7 spam | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | 1 from Quil ! w00t | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | Quim** | 14:59 |
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| inz | crashanddie, thanks for reminding, I need to clean my spam folder on gmail | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with all the Asian dudes asking for sources on bugzilla over the last couple days? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | invasion | 15:00 |
| inz | crashanddie, gmail gives a lot of false positives for me and I need to receive some rsvp responses. | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol Eero is so awesome. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414#c1 | 15:01 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: pong | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | They wanted to throw bricks, but making electronics in their factories appeared to be cheaper, so now they want to pack their NIT-bombs with loads of software so it's heavier | 15:01 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: you were having tablet-encode problems? | 15:01 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, http://slexy.org/view/s2TETUj0H3 | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I get that after selecting a file I want to encode, and the output file, and then hitting encode, no matter the quality setting | 15:03 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: using the GUI version. Hmm, does it work correctly using the command line? | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: also, what distro/Perl version? | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | dunno | 15:09 |
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| crashanddie | sorry, got attacked by a wasp | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: do you have a ~/.tablet-encode.conf file? | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | nope | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | distro: Ubuntu Hardy | 15:11 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|lunch, gutten appetiet ! | 15:12 |
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| crashanddie | oh | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | so now we have lcuk and luck... | 15:13 |
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| pekuja | consider us lucky | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, command line works | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: can you do `dd if=<the input file> of=sample.avi bs=1M count=4' and send me the 4MB file which'll result? | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: actually, that might not be needed. what's the filename of the file you're trying to convert? | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | err :-° | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | Top.Gear.S11E03.WS.PDTV.XviD-ANGELiC.avi | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: and the output file? (does it already exist?) | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | output file doesn't exist, I've tried test.avi or whatever | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: using the "Save" button or just typing the path? | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie | Save button | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | Right, cool, I've managed to recreate it. | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | \o/ | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How likely is it that somebody is going to come around looking to mount a jffs2 image running a 2.4 kernel? | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Linux_2.4.x_Kernel | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we really need the 2.4-specific steps? | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | heh | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | I'd say the odds are slim | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good enough for me. | 15:25 |
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| Kegetys | argh, why does the rss feed reader cache go to the user home dir instead of the internal memory card | 15:33 |
| lopz | hola | 15:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This seems to be missing the "put your modified stuff back into the jffs2 image" part | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Archiving_and_extracting_the_rootfs_image | 15:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody familiar with that process want to flesh it out? | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm shouldn't the reference links also show more info about what they reference? | 15:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was too lazy to add it | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | See Jaffa's MUD page for an example | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Ah ok ;) | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | Hmm yeah, that is better ;) | 15:54 |
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| pupnik | bbl | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you think I should add to 'Uploading to Extras' a global picture about how the whole track works? (assistant | dput) -> autobuilder -> extras-devel -> (promotion) -> extras | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | Or at least a description... | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sat in OmniGraffle for about 10 minutes yesterday thinking about doing just that. :D | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flowchart would be great | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | Ah, yeah I was looking for an chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | s/an/a/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: Ah, yeah I was looking for a chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap | 16:02 |
| Jaffa | Doh | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | Bah, someone hates me. One of my cheap journeys has gone from 36 eur to 92 eur. | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Probably means that the cheap seats for that date have been sold. | 16:06 |
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| lcuk_work | ~lart powervr policy makers ;) | 16:12 |
| * infobot flings poo at powervr policy makers ;) | 16:12 | |
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| lcuk_work | jaffa, you might have to fly *inside* the airplane | 16:13 |
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| hendry | has anyone got some tips to activate the GPS device on a N810, without requiring the map application? | 16:39 |
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| Kegetys | maemo-mapper? :) | 16:40 |
| hendry | like how do you just launch that little sattelite icon | 16:41 |
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| crashanddie | hendry, you can launch gpsd IIRC | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | hendry, though, gpsd is configured to only accept localhost connections | 16:42 |
| Atarii | cant you do it through the control panel -> gps | 16:42 |
| zapppp | Is it possible to disconnect from the current network somehow without clicking "disconnect" in the connectivity manager? I have tried libconic's disconnect method and several other ways but those didn't work :( | 16:43 |
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| Atarii | zappp: ifconfig wlan0 down | 16:44 |
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| Atarii | then: ifconfig wlan0 up | 16:44 |
| drako | hello people | 16:44 |
| Atarii | not the neatest though :p | 16:44 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: yeah, there're other arrangements under way by Mrs Jaffa | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Btw, how is mud-builder coming along? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Any difficulties? | 16:56 |
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| Jaffa | Nope, over the weekend plan on improving the vim package with a couple of mud enhancements and then promote it to extras | 16:59 |
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| Jaffa | texel had a problem last night building kanatest due to an issue with apt-get and repo signatures; but fixed that this morning. | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Well, it is cool to see that it works ;) | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Btw, are all packages that are in mud-builder svn already in extras-devel? | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | Or aren't they compatible with the newer versions of mud? | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: not tried them, TBH. | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I was thinking about a massive upload ;) | 17:20 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 17:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414#c3 | 17:44 |
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| qwerty12 | WTF, Remove swap? My N800 shits out sometimes with not enough memory when I have a browser, application manager and x-term open. | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: I never need swap ever? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | *needed | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | I've always needed it ;) | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, same here. | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It helps a lot. | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially with multitasking. | 17:45 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:45 |
| aquatix | maybe i should try enabling | 17:45 |
| aquatix | it | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | Well, I just close things I don't need ;) | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Battle for Wesnoth is one that requires swap to run well. | 17:46 |
| drako | yeah | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, multitasking generally implies that everything is being used. :P | 17:46 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: pft, closing apps... | 17:46 |
| drako | just throw away what ever you don't know what is doing | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but that one is crazy on memory usage ;) | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Hence the need for swap. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | drako, pfft. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a good way to get yourself in trouble. | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Heh, sure you copy-paste from application manager to your google doc? :) | 17:47 |
| drako | :-D | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Oh, icd? I don't know what this does, might as well throw it away." | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | HOLY | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Soz | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, swap is something I recommend to everybody. | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | (That was going to be the start of a sentence that will never walk this earth) | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The solution that needs to happen would be something like having swap disabled on boot if the card is set ro. | 17:48 |
| drako | i wouldn't mind not having swap. (at least if i had 4 giga ram) | 17:49 |
| * aquatix looks at his home workstation with 8GB ram; ubuntu decided that it needed 9GB swap | 17:50 | |
| forge | :D | 17:50 |
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| aquatix | forge: i'm going to let gparted decide otherwise ;) | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | If nokia do remove swap, I'm just gonna copy back the old control panel plugin and make modifications to ke-recv source. | 17:52 |
| forge | Aquatix, i could imagine that being a smart choice :D | 17:53 |
| aquatix | forge: i thought I'd let the installer decide on its own *once* | 17:53 |
| aquatix | never going to do that again | 17:54 |
| aquatix | first time i installed ubuntu anyway | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | That was a stupid choice by me too, it removed my XP recovery partition despite the installer saying it would use only free space. | 17:54 |
| drako | that's why i have mine in a vmware | 17:54 |
| drako | that was free space :-D | 17:55 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: heh, ouch | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Thankfully, I've managed to keep this xp install for more than a month without reformatting so hopefully, I shouldn't have a use for it :P | 17:56 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm I opened 6 browsers with all kinds of large pages on my diablo n810 and it doesn't complain about memory? | 17:57 |
| fysa | GeneralAntilles: does Remote Buddy work with Maemo? (found anything else like it that does?) | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, works fine | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the http interface. | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, flash and javascript may have turned off | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't complain | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | While application manager and file manager are open too btw. | 17:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | it just starts shutting things down. | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Nope flash still works. | 17:58 |
| fysa | remotebuddy+nicecast+itunes seems to be a nice setup. | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, either way, I KNOW users do run into it frequently | 17:59 |
| * qwerty12 for one | 17:59 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: On diablo too? | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | krisse has a whole article on his site about the issue. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, on Diablo too. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing changed in that regard. | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I had it on chinook, but haven't seen it ever on diablo. | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | btw | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still, "our implementation is broken so instead of fixing it we should just dump it entirely" isn't a correct answer. | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | how are we supposed to get a Maemo t-shirt ? | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be awesome like me. | 18:01 |
| fysa | depends on how broken it is ;) | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you're not awesome | 18:01 |
| fysa | (tried FileZilla for OS X yesterday) | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you're american, so that's quite incompatible | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooh buuurn | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | POW | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | Mhuwhahahaha, yeah, there | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | I've said it | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's, oh, nuclear energy working out for you in France there? :P | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Come, EU V US. Fight's in my backyard. :P | 18:02 |
| drako | :-)) | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | Nuclear energy ? I dunno, I pedal, and I have 6 chinese blokes pedaling 24/7 to give me powaaaa | 18:03 |
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| crashanddie | Plus, I don't shave, and I'll capitulate to anyone with a sound of authority (read german-voice) | 18:04 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: fyi, that's the biggest electricity export source of France | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | And yesse, I speak with ze cigarette in my mouth | 18:04 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: i had it in diablo recently | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, aquatix, I know. ;) | 18:04 |
| * aquatix <- stating the obvious since 1982 | 18:05 | |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie should supply them with weed to burn instead, that would be job satisfaction as the workers breathe in the weed fumes | 18:05 |
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| crashanddie | are you mad ? | 18:06 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, you could charge street rates + a lot extra on top. | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | But to answer your question, I AM MAD! | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | MUHAHAHAHAHAHA | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | I'm pretty sure of one thing though | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | I know where you'd work if I did :D | 18:07 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: shush, we know ;) | 18:07 |
| lardman | not weed discussions again~! | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, indeed you do :P | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | aquatix, MAD PEOPLE DO NOT BE QUIET! :P | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, true, I shall shut up now. | 18:08 |
| lardman | lol | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | One track mind. . . . | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | "Hey guys, here's your weekly supply... Say... Where's my man Q?" "Err, like usual, checking something in the air vents" | 18:08 |
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| * lardman feels a need to submit some enhancement bugs | 18:09 | |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, lol | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | thanks aquatix, now I can beat you up with it :) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | (well, I'd put a gun inside the hat) | 18:10 |
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| * qwerty12 puts on the hat that penetrates the anti-pointy-hat-missile-hat | 18:11 | |
| * aquatix shoots qwerty12 in the face and continues typing madly at his thesis | 18:12 | |
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| * aquatix throws a /me at crashanddie | 18:12 | |
| * GeneralAntilles evades. | 18:12 | |
| qwerty12 | Ouch. Your bullets cannot touch me as I have the bullet proof hat. | 18:12 |
| aquatix | too bad your hat didn't cover your face | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno, I keep my hat down looowww | 18:13 |
| * aquatix fires up his Nerf railgun | 18:13 | |
| aquatix | ah :) | 18:13 |
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| crashanddie | Btw | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | for all you yanks | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s206qeQBqm | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 18:22 |
| lardman | :) always brings a smile to the face that one | 18:24 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like it's been modified since the Al Gore/Bush times | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | note to self: don't reply to some guy promising 8.500.000.000 african currency, even if it's to make fun of him, or you will get spammed to death | 18:26 |
| johnx | yeah, I've seen an more spam getting through gmail filters recently | 18:27 |
| derf | Which African currency? | 18:27 |
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| RST38h | what is on that slexy site? anything new and original?:) | 18:27 |
| derf | 'Cause that's like an eigth of a cent in Zimbabwe dollars. | 18:27 |
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| X-Fade | derf: Probably usd ;) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Probably the Nigerian currency :/ | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | well, US$ is worth as much as the Congolese Frank so... | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | USD1000 is like what... 50euros nowadays? :P | 18:29 |
| wiza | :) | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, the UK could be going the same way :/ | 18:29 |
| RST38h | more like 666 | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | ooh, red currency | 18:29 |
| RST38h | but you guessed the trend right | 18:29 |
| * lcuk_work is not looking forward to tomoroww | 18:29 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | 1 USD = .6 Euro | 18:30 |
| lcuk_work | (no, its not a spelling test) | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | it's** | 18:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: only if you decide to occupy afghanistan AGAIN | 18:30 |
| lcuk_work | .\.. | 18:30 |
| lcuk_work | OMG ive got a broken finger now as well | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | haha | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | today is lcuk's day. | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Heh, who knows, we can bring back sand @) | 18:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: but something is telling me that uk is done doing that | 18:31 |
| lcuk_work | yer, typos and mistakes and broken teef | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | #define "July 8th" "Lcuky Day" | 18:31 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: I can commisserate, I've got a swollen finger | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Think an ifndef will follow? | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, think pastebin is a good place to upload an 7MB diff? | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, slexy it | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, will do | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | At some point, I was stress-testing slexy | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | 20 concurrent 8megs text files | 18:34 |
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| crashanddie | for about 2 hours | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | needless to say, my IP got blacklisted :-° | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | bribe them :P | 18:35 |
| lardman | ~lart bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart! | 18:35 |
| * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart! | 18:35 | |
| lardman | aaargh | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm just used to running task manager on messages like that now :/ | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | well, I told TPJ to unlist me, or I'd single handedly would DDoS his other websites :D | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | Haha, but what if police come and stumble onto something bigger ;)? | 18:37 |
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| crashanddie | Like Puerto Rico Police is going to come and knock at my door because I temporarily disabled his website | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | (yeah, TPJ lives in puerto rico) | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Let him know I want diff/patch syntax highlighting :P) | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | (I'm lazy.) | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | he's not on, I'll tell him when he comes around | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | arrgh, firefox is threating to crash when pasting a 5mb patch in >.< and I didn't save my post, arrgh! | 18:39 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie, just out of question, did slexy give you a blank page when uploading a "big" text file? | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | nope | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | It has done to me :( | 18:46 |
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| skibur | :) | 18:49 |
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| Kegetys | is it safe to remove unneeded locales from /usr/share/locale, or is there some good way to do it? I see they take quite alot of space | 18:57 |
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| * qwerty12 loves session manager, it just restored my firefox with the text in the thread i'm making. | 19:07 | |
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| Atarii | Kegetys did you remove the locales? | 19:26 |
| Atarii | im looking to do the same thing, and uninstall apps in other languages etc | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Kegetys, localepurge is the preferred method but sparsstuff page showing the modfications needed for it to work are gone now :/ | 19:26 |
| zap | what is localepurgee? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you have any familiarity with this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Repacking_the_image | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Yes, that's how I used to repack the initfs :) | 19:29 |
| Kegetys | would be nice to do it cleanly, I suppose just deleting the unneeded ones would work though | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does the Maemo 2.2 method still work fine? | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think you could transpose the relevant parts of that to the wiki so it's not just a link to the old documentation page? | 19:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, maemo 2.2 method? | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | (Both those methods on that page work) | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., take the relevant information from here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and put it on the wiki page | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wiki page goes, unpack, mount, modify, flash | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | we're missing the "repack" step. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why I linked to the Maemo 2 documentation page | 19:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | but it would be better if the relevant parts of that page were just right there in the wiki. | 19:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, I don't think that method on that maemo 2.2 page works anymore due to nokia moving the location of the files and just not updating those files. I have an line that I used to repack initfs, I'll go dig it up. | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect. ;) | 19:33 |
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| qwerty12 | mkfs.jffs2 -r <rootfs source folder> -o <output file> -e 128 -l -n | 19:35 |
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| qwerty12 | (that line is only for the initfs, rootfs will require higher block size. | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | mtd-utils needs to be installed for that command to be available. | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, turn that into a short how-to? | 19:36 |
| ddenis | melmoth: were you interested in upgrading g++? I've just compiled g++ 4.2.4 in diablo x86 scratchbox and it was straight-forward - just configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | ddenis, You can already get cs2008 toolchain for scratchbox. I know gcc 4 is in there, not sure about g++ though. | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I dunno, I never needed an how to, I'd just update my folder and run that command :) | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:38 |
| ddenis | qwerty12: what is cs2008 and where can I get it? (...googles...) | 19:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, they're going to have to suffer with the outdated Maemo 2 page until you or somebody else adds up-to-date information. :P | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | ddenis, http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/?M=A | 19:39 |
| ddenis | but anyway I needed newer g++ only for x86 target since 3.4.4 don't link because of an link error (compiler bug) | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok :) | 19:39 |
| ddenis | bu anyway thanks :) | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Heh, I never made a working rootfs anyway, I could get an initfs to work but thats it :) | 19:40 |
| zap | hmm, cool thing this localepurge. This should be ported to n8xx | 19:40 |
| Atarii | is there a way to flasher to an external card using the linux flasher tool? | 19:40 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, A cut down version of this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 should do it for repacking | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | zap, it was done but now the page is gone :( | 19:42 |
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| lbt | Hmmm I can't seem to use Gio:: - the include files don't appear to be present. Are they supposed to be or are they not yet ported? | 19:44 |
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| timeless | ping, could someone | 19:47 |
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| johnx | ? | 19:48 |
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| timeless | tell me if there's a *tiny*mail*.so* in /usr/lib | 19:48 |
| timeless | or something like that? | 19:48 |
| timeless | (diablo) | 19:48 |
| johnx | one sec | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | yes, for me there is | 19:49 |
| timeless | perfect, thanks | 19:49 |
| lbt | lots of them | 19:49 |
| timeless | the bug i can think of is mmx | 19:49 |
| timeless | oops, wrong window | 19:49 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d2112dc5a | 19:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will the idiocy never stop? | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=200600&postcount=137 | 20:18 |
| ||cw | no, no it won't. | 20:19 |
| ||cw | not sure it's a bad thing though, without idiots I wouldn't look so smart | 20:19 |
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| gpd | does anyone have a mirror of the easy debian deb file? | 20:31 |
| gpd | ie. http://qole.maemobox.org/easy-deb-chroot-0.5-4_armel.deb <-- that is down | 20:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Well, if someone does have a mirror, it won't help you as the image file will have to be downloaded again and that is on the same server | 20:33 |
| gpd | baals. | 20:33 |
| gpd | guess i'll have to do some work then - where is the fun in that! | 20:34 |
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| skibur | hello | 20:49 |
| skibur | got debian installed + KDE + clone diablo on a 4 GB SD card | 20:49 |
| skibur | :) | 20:49 |
| johnx | sounds fun :D | 20:50 |
| * johnx plays with upnp | 20:50 | |
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| skibur | :) | 20:53 |
| skibur | hum.. does icewm take long to start? | 20:54 |
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| skibur | all I see is a tree and the logo for debian | 20:54 |
| johnx | aaah, you're using the qole chroot debian | 20:54 |
| skibur | yeah | 20:54 |
| johnx | I don't know anything about it... | 20:54 |
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| skibur | open office looks good | 20:54 |
| skibur | :P | 20:54 |
| johnx | heh...your choice of course. I don't see any reason to use open office instead of abiword | 20:55 |
| lardman | hmm, trying Android and I'm stuck on a screen asking if I want to Add an XMPP account | 20:55 |
| lardman | is that usual? | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope :p | 20:55 |
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| skibur | yeah | 20:55 |
| skibur | abiword is just fine | 20:56 |
| skibur | qwerty12, have u tried qole chroot debian? | 20:56 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: is it very very slow? | 20:56 |
| derf | johnx: Does abiword do presentations? | 20:57 |
| derf | That's the only thing I actually use Open Office for. | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | skibur, yep, but i had to reflash due to unrelated matter :) | 20:57 |
| * Stskeeps wonders wtf his debian won't boot | 20:57 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, can be, but i don't remember how much because i installed android onto a ext2 partition rather than using that loopfs :/ | 20:58 |
| lardman | ah right | 20:59 |
| johnx | derf, I guess that's a the sticking point. I rarely have to touch ppts these days. When I do I just have docs.google.com render them since I'd only get them in email anyways | 20:59 |
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| derf | I don't care about viewing them. I have to _make_ them. | 21:01 |
| johnx | on a tablet? | 21:01 |
| johnx | that sounds painful | 21:01 |
| derf | Well, it's painful in general. | 21:02 |
| jott | i use latex beamer for creating presentations | 21:02 |
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| johnx | s/painful/significantly more painful than necessary | 21:02 |
| derf | jott: I tried. After spending four hours fighting with LaTeX over positioning an image, I gave up. | 21:02 |
| derf | Don't get me wrong. I love LaTeX. Just not for that. | 21:03 |
| jott | derf: hah yeah you have to know latex foo but in the end it's really good | 21:03 |
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| derf | I've been using LaTeX for over a decade. | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: was there ever a proper battery meter hal thing for debian+ | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 21:03 |
| johnx | not plugged into hal, no | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:04 |
| jott | derf: esp. in combination with pgf/tikz | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i played a little with hald-addon-retu-adc or something | 21:04 |
| johnx | on OS2008 the battery stuff is done through dbus, but there is something called kcbatt | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | but need to package it | 21:04 |
| johnx | which looks at retu-adc values directly to gauge the battery level | 21:04 |
| lcuk | `/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device :( | 21:04 |
| derf | jott: Right, those I have never needed to use. | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, got kcbatt in tablet-powersave | 21:05 |
| jott | derf: yeah in the end it depends on *what* you want to show.. | 21:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, too much dev packages :P :( | 21:05 |
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| jott | just photos or some graphs/diagrams etc. | 21:05 |
| lcuk | need moar though | 21:05 |
| derf | The answer is, of course, both. | 21:05 |
| jott | so latex beamer is the way to go ;) | 21:06 |
| jott | with nice graphs from pgf ;) | 21:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, boot from sd. You can't avoid it forever | 21:06 |
| lcuk | i know john, would someone be kind enough to clone me to mmc whilst we are at the summit? | 21:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk . . . | 21:06 |
| johnx | get me a ticket, I'll clone whatever you want | 21:06 |
| lcuk | (well, not all of me - i think one is enough) | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | yer gen | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's very straightforward | 21:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I script takes care of a lot of the heavy lifting. :P | 21:07 |
| jott | johnx: tried to apply for a sponsorship? | 21:08 |
| johnx | nah, I was just kidding. I don't think I have much to add to a serious conference | 21:09 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) i actually tried to get all that sorted. i nearly blew my device up trying last time and im lucky ive still got anything left. | 21:09 |
| lcuk | free beers to the generous bod who clones me to mmc and fixes my mmc2 corruption thing | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, people keep saying things like that. | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't buy it. | 21:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, partition the card, format the partitions, install fanoush's initfs, and copy over your install to the card. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hard part is sfdisk | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything else is dead simple. | 21:11 |
| lcuk | thanks, ill tell the person who does it for me :D | 21:11 |
| * johnx needs to look at cfdisk again | 21:11 | |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. | 21:11 | |
| johnx | I *hate* sfdisk | 21:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i think they would already know how :p | 21:11 |
| jott | hah first thing i did was to install plain fdisk | 21:12 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i have much more interesting better more relivant things to do with my time than try to learn and understand a whole lot of incantations | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't it be invoked to use megabytes instead of cylinders? | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, i've got cfdisk packaged from latest util-linux | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there's no learning or understanding. | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just doing. | 21:12 |
| johnx | yeah, how you can see fdisk and then end up making a partitioner that's less friendly is beyond me... | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It takes 20 minutes | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 of which are the tarring operation. | 21:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, awesome! | 21:12 |
| lcuk | it took me nearly 2 days last time i tried gen. i know my limitations | 21:12 |
| johnx | lcuk, you have the funniest thoughts about your limitations. :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | indepth c hacking and making things go fast with recursive memory allocation. CHECK. command line chanting. UH URGGGGGGGG | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, http://www.mediafire.com/?992d1yvr4z3 :) | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're going to have to learn it at some point. | 21:14 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, how much did you have to edit the source package? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, so far ive been driving a car for 15 years, in that 15 years i have not learnt how to fix it | 21:14 |
| jott | there shouldn't be much to do to get *fdisk running.. | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, package it up for Extras so we can switch the tutorial over to cfdisk? | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, i just ripped out the parts that weren't compiling :/ | 21:14 |
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| jott | maybe get gparted running with gtk gui ;) | 21:15 |
| lcuk | johnx, i over analyse things | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I would do but it's a bit of an "unofficial" package, i repacked after compiling | 21:15 |
| lcuk | anyway, i'll be back later | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | the car analogy fails because you're just driving your car, not tuning it up :P | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need something more workable than sfdisk | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | util-linux is in extras but thanks to busybox, it wont install hence this package | 21:15 |
| johnx | lcuk, the car analogy would go something like. "I just build incredible performance parts...but I can't really drive one." | 21:16 |
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| jott | i guess gparted should be easy to compile.. | 21:16 |
| johnx | the gnome disk usage analyzer looks interesting to me as well | 21:17 |
| ShadowJK | johnx, that reminds me of a TV show where they had a rocket scientist and some other academic people competing with eachother in performing a burnout :-) | 21:17 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, :D | 21:17 |
| lcuk | no johnx, i learn by example. i try it, if it doesnt work, fine i start again. with the mmc drives if i screw them up it takes a long time to rebuilld. what is wrong with letting someone experienced in the motions from taking over and doing what they know and understand? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | i dont want to be without a way to code for however long it will take to rebuild | 21:18 |
| lardman | basic question, why can't I mount an ext2 fs formatted sd card? | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because it's a little sad. :P | 21:18 |
| johnx | lcuk, then the first thing you need to learn is how to make a good backup | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, got modules inserted? | 21:18 |
| johnx | lcuk, and the reason is, is that like now it will limit what you can accomplish if you have to wait for someone else | 21:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'm not allowed to insert it | 21:19 |
| lcuk | not at all - i was just trying to add an extra library. like everything else ill just find an alternative that does do it | 21:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: "insmod: cannot insert 'ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory" | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | mbcache.ko first | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tried inserting mbcache.ko? | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, GA beat me :) | 21:20 |
| lardman | ah, good stuff | 21:20 |
| johnx | lardman, dmesg | tail will tell you those unknown symbols to give you a clue | 21:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ^ | 21:20 |
| lardman | apologies, I've never needed to use ext2 on my tablet | 21:20 |
| jott | or use depmod and then insmod ;) | 21:20 |
| jott | erm modprobe | 21:20 |
| lardman | ah yes, dmesg shows the symbols, insmod/modprobe not so useful | 21:21 |
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| lardman|supper | I'll continue trying to install Android on that partition after food :) | 21:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|supper, i just untarred this onto my ext2 partition in ubuntu : http://www.alextreme.org/drupal//?q=android_on_n810 (same thing that's in the loopfs). and then just edited `which android.sh | 21:28 |
| pupnik | Ave, morituri te salutant! | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|supper, ` to say /dev/mmcblo etc | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, pupnik. | 21:29 |
| pupnik | Hail GeneralAntilles | 21:29 |
| pupnik | how goes the battle? | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which one? :P | 21:30 |
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| tank-man | 100$ mail in rebate for eee900 out :) | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew Eee | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's amazing how little time it took for Asus to completely dilute the brand. | 21:31 |
| pupnik | i laff that they apparently gave up on the atom | 21:31 |
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| johnx | pupnik, hmm? what do you mean? | 21:33 |
| jott | i thought the 901 had an atom? | 21:33 |
| pupnik | oh then i am misremembering | 21:33 |
| johnx | they gave up on linux and small sized, cheap laptops though :/ | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | the eee ships with winbblows now? | 21:34 |
| johnx | in a lot of configurations | 21:34 |
| johnx | they're definitely not pushing linux like before | 21:34 |
| Ave | pupnik: what you say? | 21:34 |
| jott | woot, finally an nearly perfect clone of the volume/brightness(+rotation) thing: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3231/volrobcc1.png | 21:34 |
| johnx | jott, hot sauce! | 21:35 |
| pupnik | not interested in eee so much. but it might be a nice momputer | 21:35 |
| johnx | rm_you, PIIING! | 21:35 |
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| johnx | pupnik, was thinking the same thing. I was really looking forward to the future of <$300 laptops too | 21:35 |
| jott | needs some little clean ups, and maybe some parts from rm_you's code.. | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | re | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | to get cfdisk - get libslang2 from debian armel, dpkg --force-depends -i it, get util-linux armel deb, mkdir -p deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -e util-linux.deb deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -x util-linux.deb deb, deb/sbin/cfdisk (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cfdisk.jpg) | 21:36 |
| jott | but works nice and coherent as it seems | 21:36 |
| johnx | jott, also, a mute button would be nice | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott, wow. anyways, i released those ported android patches | 21:36 |
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| jott | johnx: hm? just press on the speaker to mute? or what do you mean? | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The little speaker is mute. | 21:37 |
| johnx | jott, sorry, I somehow completely missed it O_o | 21:37 |
| * johnx should sleep soon | 21:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, jott, think that might be merged with adv-backlight? | 21:37 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah, wonder which parts are needed from it but would make sense to take them.. | 21:38 |
| jott | btw: i also traced down dsme so it's actually using dsme system calls instead of running the dsmetest program | 21:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, nice, how did you wangle that? | 21:39 |
| jott | some reading of old nokia code and poking around with ginspector | 21:40 |
| jott | basically there are two tricks involved, first setting the right windowname and second grabbing the mouse and keyboard globally | 21:41 |
| lcuk | super-adv-backlight | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely doesn't serve anybody to have two projects. | 21:41 |
| jott | so it will close when clicked outside of the menu | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks, i'm always intrested in these sorts of things :) | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rotation part is pretty hot. | 21:41 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah actually it grew from my rotation plugin codebase ;) | 21:41 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: the icons rotate with it | 21:42 |
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| jott | so it will actually always show the right physical orientation | 21:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you. | 21:42 | |
| jott | so some cleaning and i'll put the source some place | 21:42 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, that's why I pinged him earlier, but it's pretty early for him | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He's on the west coast these days, isn't he? | 21:43 |
| lcuk | jott, your rotation is gaining lots of praise :) well done and thank you for doing such a thing | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's with his sleeping schedule. . . . | 21:43 |
| johnx | yeah, but he still keeps an rm_you schedule | 21:43 |
| johnx | he seems close to JST if that helps | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:43 |
| pupnik | rotation of what jott? the whole xserver and hildon ui? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 21:46 |
| pupnik | oh it's been worked-on .. nice jott | 21:47 |
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| jott | pupnik: yeah just finally managed to get the status bar menu like the closed nokia ones.. | 21:48 |
| pupnik | i don't... do... | 21:49 |
| pupnik | do you make your own theme for that then? | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, I believe rm_you may owe you $20. ;) | 21:49 |
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| jott | hah | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | hahahah | 21:49 |
| jott | pupnik: let's see i'll wait for rm_you and see how we can join forces | 21:49 |
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| pupnik | i can understand the lcd controller rotating, i don't see how hildon can theme for the different aspect ratio | 21:50 |
| lcuk | jott, the only downside to joining up with rm_you is you have to keep the same sleep pattern as him | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:50 |
| lcuk | pupnik, 225dpi whether its 800*480 or 480*00 | 21:51 |
| lcuk | 800^ | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, has the rotation stuff on your site be updated for Diablo? | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/be/been/ | 21:51 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: jott, has the rotation stuff on your site been updated for Diablo? | 21:51 |
| pupnik | yes but the last time i looked at themes, they were hardcoded for 800x480 | 21:51 |
| jott | lcuk: heh well as long as we are each awake more than 12 hours in a row chances are pretty high we find some intersection ;) | 21:51 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: no.. good point | 21:52 |
| lcuk | jott, dont be too sure, i personally think rm_you is actually on the ISS | 21:52 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: maybe link to qwerty12_N800 deb? | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, osso-software-version-unlocked should solve any osso-software-version versioning issues. | 21:52 |
| jott | lcuk: in a cryogenic sleep phase? ,) | 21:52 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yep.. | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, qwerty12_N800, rapidshare. . . . | 21:53 |
| jott | hehe | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should start a garage project or something. :P | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yup, jott - is there no way this rotation thing can be done as an insmod instead of a whole new kernel? | 21:53 |
| jott | or just push the kernel in extras ;) | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "qwerty12's Bazaar of Crap" | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meh, it's not my work to start a garage project on. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish flash-and-reboot has some more useful options. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/has/had/ | 21:54 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Wish flash-and-reboot had some more useful options. | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, - "of Crap" | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Bazaar of Assorted Insanity" | 21:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thats more like like it :p | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, who thinks I should file an enhancement request for a more useful flash-and-reboot? | 21:55 |
| jott | hm GeneralAntilles what do you want to do with it? | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, it's a script that calls fiasco-flasher, all the options you need are there ;) | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right then. | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hoho | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect. | 21:56 |
| jott | yeah with fiasco-flasher on the device the community kernel flashing could really be improved | 21:57 |
| johnx | yay, community flashing! woo! | 21:57 |
| jott | wooo group flashing! | 21:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles flashes johnx . . . | 21:57 | |
| * johnx kries | 21:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . 's zaurus with a virus. | 21:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | nokia's flashing packages in the public repo suck balls. i had to repack the one from the diablo update repo and update md5sum. | 21:58 |
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| Atarii | loosing my usb card-reader somewhere in the house sucks more :( | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, one problem with running flash-and-reboot is that it'll overwrite the initfs. | 21:59 |
| jott | yeah just call fiasco-flasher -k directly.. | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming there's an initfs image waiting in the pipeline. | 21:59 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I just made that deb using nokia standards :) | 22:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | maybe next time, i'll just use fiasco-flasher from postinst | 22:00 |
| lardman | cheers qwerty12_N800 | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np lardman | 22:01 |
| jott | hm i wonder why they did not compile the fiasco-flasher for the initfs, this would allow some neat menu based kernel switching | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'd rather see kexec | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush has been working on that | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | slowly | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool | 22:02 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: yeah have you actually tried kexec? | 22:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | jott, never had a reason to on my desktop, but i'd like it on a tablet. | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i don't see the point in reflashing kernel all the time. | 22:03 |
| jott | true | 22:03 |
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| johnx | wow...Nokia's definitely been messing around with icd it seems | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | WiMAX and whatnot. | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully they push an update to fix it at some point. | 22:11 |
| johnx | finally getting around to scripting some events to happen on connect to an AP | 22:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dunno why they closed it, osso-ic is oss iirc | 22:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WiMAX, maybe. | 22:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ~lart hildon-desktop. brb | 22:14 |
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| zap | What is osso-software-version-34 ? | 22:16 |
| zap | And how it's different from osso-software-version-rx44? | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, N800 and N810. . . . | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | different tablets, different help files etc | 22:17 |
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| zap | oh | 22:17 |
| zap | sad' | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | sad? | 22:18 |
| zap | so I can't make a package depend on osso-software-rx44-unlocked | 22:18 |
| zap | since it won't work on n800 | 22:18 |
| jott | you can or dependencies | 22:18 |
| jott | osso-software-rx44-unlocked | osso-software-rx34-unlocked | 22:18 |
| zap | hmm | 22:18 |
| zap | and what if neither is installed ? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better throw rx48 in there for future proofing. | 22:18 |
| fnordianslippers | it does work as i've installed it | 22:18 |
| fnordianslippers | :-( | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zap, just use the control file from the nokia libfreetype... | 22:19 |
| fnordianslippers | doh | 22:19 |
| zap | qwerty12_N800: that would suck :) | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | works for me :p :) | 22:19 |
| zap | besides, osso is a registered trademark of nokia, as far as I understand | 22:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, what does that have to do with anything? | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it most definitely isn't a Nokia trademark | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=osso | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | OSSO doesn't even exist anymore. | 22:21 |
| Toba | then why is it still in maemo? | 22:21 |
| Toba | seems odd | 22:21 |
| zap | well, Nokia discourages usage of the word osso in 3rd party packages | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Toba, because packages don't get renamed over night. | 22:21 |
| Toba | I guess so. | 22:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's frequently disruptive to rename a package for the sake of renaming a package. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OSSO is Maemo Software now. | 22:22 |
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| zap | aha | 22:23 |
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| zap | well in any case it would be bad to use the same name for a changed package | 22:24 |
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| lcuk2 | freenode is like a bucking bronco tonight | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Working fine here. | 22:26 |
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| lcuk2 | heh GeneralAntilles, localised then, maybe some workmen are actually doing stuff here | 22:28 |
| hellwolf | where is lcuk3 | 22:28 |
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| hellwolf | what a good prediction | 22:33 |
| jott | and lcuk4? ;) | 22:33 |
| aquatix | don't stretch it ;) | 22:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What about lcuk^2? | 22:36 |
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| lcuk3 | :D | 22:40 |
| lcuk3 | told you | 22:40 |
| lardman | hmm, I can't find an installation file for AndroidScan | 22:40 |
| lardman | hi lcukN | 22:41 |
| lcuk3 | lol hi | 22:41 |
| lardman | s/lcukN/lcukN[0<N<2^8] | 22:41 |
| lardman | probably better :) | 22:41 |
| lcuk3 | ~lart virgin | 22:42 |
| * infobot flings poo at virgin | 22:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, i forgot ntl is now virgin | 22:42 |
| lcuk3 | oooops, thats no way to get me laid | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:42 |
| lcuk3 | ~lart the ISP formally known as NTL | 22:42 |
| * infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on the ISP formally known as NTL | 22:42 | |
| hellwolf | naughty bot | 22:43 |
| pupnik | hey btw if you can use Qwest for phone/internet - do it! | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | infobot, hellwolf will spank you | 22:44 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: how far is android m5 on the tablets? | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet he has a module for that. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~spank hellwolf | 22:44 |
| * infobot bends hellwolf over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on hellwolf's pasty white buttocks. | 22:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | What'd I say? :P | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott, very far :). it will run, but slowly due to epson's shit. | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 22:45 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: it runs ok, when installed on ext2 | 22:45 |
| lardman | it's pretty, but not much by way of apps | 22:46 |
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| lardman | I had hoped to try out AndroidScan | 22:46 |
| lardman | which is supposed to be available somewhere but I've no idea where | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | would the camera have worked anyway? | 22:48 |
| lardman | No idea, but I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about before trying to roll my own | 22:49 |
| lardman | those Android apps are cool, but most of the cool ones rely upon servers doing this and that to provide data | 22:50 |
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| lardman | the map related ones are good, but no reason we could have the same | 22:50 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: any harm in leaving your latest Android kernel, or should I flash back? | 22:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, if you are using the one in the installer, be best to flash back | 22:51 |
| lardman | nah, your one which was in the separate thread | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oh, sorry | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, afaict no harm, but there's no point in keeping it on there if you aren't using android :) | 22:52 |
| lardman | just saves me rebooting ;) | 22:53 |
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| lardman | ah well, I'll reflash it | 22:53 |
| lcuk3 | (with increasing numerics) | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher! | 22:53 |
| * qwerty12_N800 short circuits lcuk3 | 22:54 | |
| lardman | :S | 22:54 |
| lardman | Nokia, give us a camera on the back of the tablet, please | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, it has same syntax as flasher :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk3 | no disassemble number 3 | 22:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: I'll just use the deb which was in the original thread? | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, yes, that could work too :p | 22:55 |
| lcuk3 | lardman, you could setup some kind of borg webcam doofer on your head | 22:55 |
| lardman | sod that, I just want some cool apps | 22:56 |
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| lcuk3 | agreed.. | 22:56 |
| lardman | I like the services ideas these Android apps use, lots of cool backend services to provide useful data, etc | 22:57 |
| * qwerty12_N800 just wants opengl. i don't give a shit about the speed, 2fps with soft rendering isn't fast. | 22:57 | |
| lardman | hmm, can the kernel be replaced while Linux is running? | 22:57 |
| lcuk3 | but backend servers implies online all the time. battery drainage. of course when online they work well | 22:57 |
| lardman | apparently so | 22:57 |
| lardman | lcuk3: well we can always cache data for an area | 22:58 |
| lcuk3 | im thinking of more than just maps | 22:58 |
| lardman | I agree | 22:58 |
| lardman | hopefully free wifi will dawn on the world eventually | 22:58 |
| lardman | in the meantime I may have to get a data plan for my phone | 22:58 |
| lcuk3 | but thats not totally free, it drains battery | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | until then, kismet + aircrack | 22:59 |
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| lardman | :) | 23:00 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N800: ftw! | 23:00 |
| lardman | yeah, well I can live with charging every day or so | 23:00 |
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| lardman | (though atm I only charge every fortnight or so) | 23:00 |
| lardman | something like that anyway | 23:01 |
| lcuk3 | i charge every night, but battery doesnt move from when i goto bed to home after work | 23:01 |
| lardman | come on people, write some cool apps: http://code.google.com/android/images/adc1r1_deck.pdf ;) | 23:01 |
| lcuk3 | :) shall even solve that problem soon enough as well | 23:01 |
| lcuk3 | android uses x11 and has xv available doesnt it? ;) | 23:02 |
| pupnik | btw lardman is your nick unregistered or am i on ignore? | 23:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk3, no, direct access to framebuffa | 23:02 |
| lardman | ah no, I'm just crap, hang on a tick | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, direct access to every single framebuffer on compatible phones? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | you would have thought some kind of slight abstraction would take place, maybe by making different framebuffers into some sort of library format ;) | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no idea, but it doesn't use x11 for sure (atm anyway, no idea if it ever will) | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | fair enough, so you will never run anything none android on the android kernel without serious undertakings | 23:04 |
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| gourdin | why is the zoom so slow ? how does the iphone/ipod touch do? | 23:32 |
| jott | gourdin: 3d acceleration | 23:33 |
| jott | (or the lack of) | 23:33 |
| gourdin | n8x0 got nothing ? | 23:33 |
| jott | just no drivers.. | 23:33 |
| qwerty12 | we got something we cant use. | 23:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Zoom isn't all that fast on the iTouch, either. | 23:34 |
| gourdin | hu ?? | 23:34 |
| qwerty12 | as a bonus we have a crappy lcd controller. | 23:34 |
| jott | and ofcourse the iphone has a much lower resolution | 23:34 |
| Raytray | Though zoom is pretty cool on the itouch | 23:34 |
| gourdin | we got something we can't use ??? | 23:34 |
| gourdin | why is that ? | 23:34 |
| jott | gourdin: ask nokia | 23:34 |
| gourdin | they don't give the driver ? | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just SEEMS fast because it roughs the render before actually redrawing everything completely. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, the drivers suck. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crashy drivers | 23:35 |
| gourdin | oh | 23:35 |
| gourdin | nokia working on this for sure (?) | 23:36 |
| gourdin | that's weird | 23:36 |
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| zap | GeneralAntilles: where I can see the crashy drivers | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call up Nokia and ask them to give you a copy. | 23:36 |
| zap | this is a joke I suppose | 23:37 |
| zap | there aren't even crash drivers, unfortunately | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | In order for Nokia to distribute the drivers, they have to buy licenses for each device shipped. | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The drivers suck ass | 23:37 |
| qwerty12 | the powervr on the n8*0 is a joke too. | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | so they decided not to buy licenses for crappy drivers. | 23:37 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: erm where did you get that info? | 23:37 |
| zap | hmm | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, that's the word from LinuxTag | 23:37 |
| jott | not really... | 23:37 |
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| gourdin | hey, i give lot of money for this device | 23:38 |
| JamieBennett | Mmm, not so sure on that GeneralAntilles | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, and you didn't pay for any 3d hardware. | 23:38 |
| gourdin | ho, you think | 23:38 |
| JamieBennett | I don't think that the drivers are that sucky | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did it say "OpenGL support" on the box? | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, have you tried them? | 23:38 |
| gourdin | no | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you didn't pay for them. | 23:38 |
| gourdin | it says a lot of thing | 23:38 |
| jott | it said omap in the specs ;) | 23:38 |
| qwerty12 | crappy drivers or not, i'd still like to see them. cant be worse then 2fps soft rendering. | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, I would, too. | 23:39 |
| zap | qwerty12: actually it can | 23:39 |
| zap | if it crashes and burn your flash out ;) | 23:39 |
| gourdin | omg | 23:39 |
| gourdin | this is a bad experience | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sell it and get an iPhone | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really bored with the moaning. | 23:40 |
| gourdin | yep | 23:40 |
| lcuk | who says this device is slow? | 23:40 |
| qwerty12 | zap, meh, flash is gonna get burned out anyway. | 23:40 |
| * lcuk doesnt think it is | 23:40 | |
| jott | lcuk: "slow" is relative ... | 23:40 |
| JamieBennett | The platform will never been open as long as the hardware vendors have a Draconian attitude to intellectual properties. We have a great Linux platform that you can put in your pocket, why the fuss? | 23:40 |
| zap | qwerty12: actually yes, I wonder how many weeks it will resist my attacks | 23:40 |
| * qwerty12 thinks it's decent for what it's marked for | 23:40 | |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: you are bored, i was abused | 23:41 |
| qwerty12 | (speed wise) | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, take it up with your local consumer protection body. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | jott, agreed - normal maemo out of the box experience was shocking, but i know it can be improved | 23:41 |
| lcuk | how much and for how long is as you say relative | 23:41 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: that's the last thing i want to do | 23:41 |
| zap | actually I haven't seen anybody who wouldn't want to get more than he paid for | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | mind you, im doing what i want on the device no matter what | 23:41 |
| gourdin | first, i try tech support | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, this isn't tech support. | 23:42 |
| jott | lcuk: that's the attitude ;) | 23:42 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, is cloning one of them? :p | 23:42 |
| lcuk | :) yer jott the challenge for me is not the final product, but what i learn along the way (as long as it doesnt cause me to corrupt and reflash ;)) | 23:42 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: Thats not the spirit :) | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, all he's done for the past month is moan and complain in here. | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm a little tired of it myself. ;) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, i would jump all over it if i had a spare device | 23:43 |
| lcuk | /ignore? | 23:43 |
| JamieBennett | A lot of people complain because they don't understand the platform, maybe more education is needed for potential buyers? | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | JamieBennett, believe me, I've tried. | 23:44 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, i messed up my first clone but i kept trying and i got it to work :). i didn't know nothing about linux then :) | 23:44 |
| lcuk | yer qwerty, but now i use this as a tool, its not a toy that i can just reflash and go mehhh on | 23:44 |
| lcuk | i just want to save self hassle | 23:44 |
| JamieBennett | GeneralAntilles: then it's a catch 22 situation. We want more users so Nokia take it seriously as a platform but unfortunately the majority of the population is not tech savvy :( | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, get you work partition set up on the card, then you can reflash the internal flash as often as you like. ;) | 23:45 |
| jott | lcuk: if you would switch to full framebuffer based drawing you could run your liqbase from initfs ;) | 23:45 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, the audience has changed. iphone *did* do something remarkable and gave a very flashy ui. without that this device can crawl at times | 23:45 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: The iphone changed the playing field. I don't see why a Linux based device can't either | 23:46 |
| lcuk | jott i considered that, but using xv library has been a blessing really | 23:46 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, i agree. have you seen liqbase | 23:46 |
| lcuk | this device *can* work very fast | 23:46 |
| gourdin | not just a flashy uim | 23:47 |
| jott | atleast the iphone finally made the vendors consider using gl/composition in theier uis.. :) | 23:47 |
| gourdin | ui | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 is where we should be looking | 23:47 |
| gourdin | iphone do less things , but it just work | 23:47 |
| lcuk | future i 100% agree gen | 23:47 |
| jott | yeah omap3 hopefully with drivers .. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, Mobile Safari crashes all the time. | 23:47 |
| gourdin | as every apple product | 23:47 |
| jott | though hildon will not take advantage of them.. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, do you _use_ Apple products? | 23:47 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: yep | 23:48 |
| gourdin | it just work | 23:48 |
| gourdin | simple | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lies | 23:48 |
| lcuk | iphone uses lower resolution - the framebuffer in this device can display images that fast | 23:48 |
| lcuk | at same resolution | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | My primary machine is a G5, and I've been using Apple stuff for the past 15 years. No, Apple doesn't doesn't always "just work". | 23:48 |
| JamieBennett | omap3 today, opmap4 tomorrow e.t.c, unfortunately apple (and I pretty much despise apple as a company) have a great handle on what the consumer is expecting from a UI point of view | 23:48 |
| gourdin | of course safary crash sometime, but the overall user experience is nice | 23:48 |
| qwerty12 | has anyone ever tried editing x-server.defs to start in lower res? :p | 23:48 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, :) | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | (hardware besides) | 23:49 |
| gourdin | JamieBennett: i agree | 23:49 |
| lcuk | 640*480 changes maximum framerate from 25fps to 33fps. there is a marked improvement and bandwidth/cpu boost available for other things | 23:49 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, i'll remind myself to do it ; next time i'm due a reflash :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | cool, you need something which can take notes quickly to help remember ;) | 23:50 |
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| qwerty12 | you should make a deb with an desktop file in it :) | 23:51 |
| gourdin | n8x0 is a pretty nice piece, but at alpha stage | 23:51 |
| lcuk | yer looks like im heading that way | 23:51 |
| gourdin | (my opinion) | 23:51 |
| lcuk | gourdin, :) for me as a developer. its perfect. like buying a fixer upper house | 23:52 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: looking at your utube video on liqbase. Any more information? | 23:52 |
| zap | I wouldnt call that alpha stage | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alpha by Google's definition, maybe. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | yes JamieBennett follow the link on youtube info, theres now discussion on itt and source is in the garage | 23:52 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: Not everyone is good at DIY and I think that is the point | 23:52 |
| gourdin | what's google definition | 23:52 |
| gourdin | for example | 23:53 |
| lcuk | totally agree JamieBennett | 23:53 |
| gourdin | open youtube with this thing | 23:53 |
| gourdin | slow | 23:53 |
| lcuk | gourdin, yes i wouldnt expect my mum to be happy to have one | 23:53 |
| gourdin | lcuk: exact | 23:53 |
| gourdin | 'users' can't use it | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, my sister's happy with hers | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't buy that | 23:53 |
| gourdin | ?? | 23:54 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, are you my uncle? | 23:54 |
| gourdin | :) | 23:54 |
| lbt | sorry to drag the tone down but........if I create an Action and use a sigc::mem_fun(*myobj....) is *myobj evaluated at action-event time or embedded in a table somewhere? (myobj changes from time-to-time as I reload data - do I need to recreate or indirect my actions?) | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | She certainly doesn't have a lot of technical acumen. | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's plenty of "users" on itT happy with their devices. | 23:54 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: how goes maemo? | 23:54 |
| lcuk | lbt, the object is destroyed and recreated, or just data within changes? | 23:54 |
| lbt | destroyed | 23:54 |
| lcuk | then i would expect anything hanging onto it to be invalidated (and changes are your destroy wont run until everything released anyway) | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, I did most of the work on the wiki page of the day . . . again. <_< | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and chances are ^ | 23:55 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im gonna mail you a beer from the summit | 23:56 |
| lcuk | you have been amazing as usual :) | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Find some people interested in helping improve a wiki instead. :P | 23:56 |
| lcuk | lol, but noone understands the strange wiki language unlike you | 23:56 |
| JamieBennett | I worry that the eeepc crowd now know about Linux (which is great) but expect a noddy type interface which only something like canola provides for the IT's. Lots of potential that could be tapped. The other thing is that Nokia is going through a transition stage with QT which despite what anyone says is going to be a big disruption to not only developers. | 23:56 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: you not going to the summit? | 23:57 |
| lbt | thanks lcuk :) | 23:57 |
| * lbt wanders off and makes a note to hit the wiki again soon | 23:57 | |
| lcuk | :) lol | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun fact, mailing a beer to me in the states is a felony. :D | 23:57 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, yes i have been accepted and should have some nice things to show and tell | 23:57 |
| JamieBennett | Cool, see you there! | 23:58 |
| lcuk | yer - its gonna be good | 23:58 |
| * lcuk hopes he remembers his pe kit | 23:58 | |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, But it was for medicinal purposes! | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That only applies to marijuana | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | lol, I think its going to be a close n | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not in FL. :P | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | ... knit event and pretty fun | 23:59 |
| lcuk | well, it is a NIT event | 23:59 |
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