IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-07-08

wndif you asked me I'd say privoxy is the way to go00:01
gourdinwithout add block, fresh browser start, 15sec to zoom to 120%00:01
GeneralAntillesI've had crashing issues with privoxy in the past.00:01
gourdini got the "fit width" option enabled00:02
GeneralAntillesOh, pfft00:02
GeneralAntillesDon't do that.00:02
GeneralAntillesThat's the "break the browser" option.00:02
gourdinthis is it00:02
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wndsomehow I ended up running neither privoxy or adblock on the device. I'm running privoxy on home router box, but since I'm not aware of any practical way to make the device use it as proxy only when I'm home, the browser in the device goes unfiltered.00:03
gourdinunfortunatly, some site need this option :/00:03
GeneralAntillesNo they don't.00:03
GeneralAntillesThat option doesn't work.00:03
GeneralAntillesIt's broken and really should've been removed.00:04
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texelHm. So what about firewalls?00:12
texelDo we have a good solution to use iptables on the NITs at the moment?00:13
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wndI think the question really is do you need one00:17
gourdinfor example00:17
gourdinwithout add block nor "fit width"00:18
* texel sighs00:18
texelSo, where on earth is the scratchbox configuration file for a target?00:18
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gourdinis pretty painfull to surf : scrolls lag a lot00:19
wndtexel, /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/$TARGET.config00:19
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texelwnd: awesome. Thanks.00:19
GeneralAntillesScrolls just fine here, gourdin. :\00:21
lbttexel: I was wondering about iptables t'other day too00:21
GeneralAntillesZooming is slow00:21
GeneralAntillesbut scroll is fine.00:21
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ion_cu_vacai need to put the text "aaa" in the file abc.txt, can I do this with cat? or what other command do I use?00:22
GeneralAntillesecho aaa >> abc.txt00:23
ion_cu_vacathanks :-)00:23
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glassvittu tää irc on kyllä ihan liian lagisa nytaöitä00:24
texelHm. Do we have SDL? O.o00:25
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RST38hweird letters.00:25
GeneralAntillestexel, yes.00:25
texelThen porting POWDER will be easy, too. =o)00:25
ion_cu_vacaanyone knows how to use libmacspoof?00:26
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texelkanatest is /easy/.00:29
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wndyeah it is00:30
wndtry kdrill :-)00:30
texelNo, I mean to port that is. =op00:31
* wnd grins00:31
texeldpkg-buildpackage -b, and that's it. =op00:31
wndunless you want to hildonise it00:31
wndI'd think00:31
texelBut there's next to nothing to hildonize.00:32
wndbasically just the menu00:33
wndand if you want to do it right, state saving and restoring00:33
texelWell, we'll see.00:33
texelRight now, Xephyr is misbehaving. =o(00:33
wndactually, did the latest version of kanatest already allow resuming last "game"?00:34
texelNo idea.00:34
texelI'm just trying to recompile the one in Ubuntu Hardy at the moment.00:34
texelThere we go.00:36
Jaffatexel: <plug>mud can help with such things muchly (including the various Maemoisms: ) </plug>00:36
texelJaffa: yeah, I was considering using that to help with some of it.00:37
Jaffatexel: I'm looking at improving it to work with the autobuilder even better, and improve the patch management by possibly using quilt, and help with automated signing/upload:
texelIt runs, but the fonts are crap. =op00:38
texelSo I have to fix that. =o)00:38
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texelJaffa: looks good, but I'll have to spend more than just a fleeting moment looking that over. =o)00:40
texelOooh. It even comes with a desktop file.00:41
texelNeeds some hacking, though.00:41
texelRandom question:00:41
texelWhy did the Nokia guys decide to do crazy stuff by stuffing the icon image into the desktop file as a base64 encoded mess? =op00:42
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texelEspecially when the files are much easier to deal with?00:42
Jaffatexel: indeed, mud helps there :)00:42
JaffaStick a PNG file in a folder and it gets encoded and stuffed in automagically. Next feechur on my list is also auto-installing icons for the app menu into the right place00:43
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texel"We could not read lowmem page stats." and it still refuses to launch.00:46
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texelJaffa: so is MUD just a script or program I run?00:46
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Jaffatexel: it's a Perl app which helps re-package sources; so it's something you use to help build your packages (both binary for testing and source for uploading to the extras autobuilder)00:50
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texelJaffa: looks /very/ nice now that I spent more than a fleeting moment looking at it. =o)00:50
ion_cu_vacaquestion: how do I replace the text "abc" from the file file1.txt with the content of the file file2.txt00:53
GeneralAntillesion_cu_vaca, "introduction to bash" on google might be a good starting point for you. ;)00:54
GeneralAntillesbut, "cat file2.txt > file1.txt"00:54
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wndyou can also just "cp file2.txt file1.txt"...00:56
ion_cu_vacaGeneralAntilles, that will concatenate the two files... i want to replace the the text "abc" with the text from the file2.txt00:56
Veggenion: hmm. sed is your friend here.00:57
Veggenion: is the file2.txt potentially large?00:57
m-cI saw the android port to NIT on Reddit today00:58
GeneralAntillesion_cu_vaca, did you try the command I gave you?00:58
GeneralAntillesIt does exactly what you asked for.00:58
GeneralAntillesAh, right00:59
GeneralAntillesfile1.txt contains other information besides abc, right?00:59
ion_cu_vacawhat about this?01:00
ion_cu_vacareplace abc $(cat file1.txt) file2.txt file2.new01:00
GeneralAntillessed is your friend.01:00
ion_cu_vaca(I found this: replace OLD-STRING NEW-STRING <INPUT-FILE >OUTPUT-FILE)01:00
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texelDo we /have/ to register a service with DBUS to launch an app?01:02
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JaffaBah, the logs URL isn't in the topic anymore01:08
texelWell, I can't get it to start via the apps menu.01:08
texelBut I can run it directly via command line.01:08
infobotwell, maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at
* Jaffa JFGIed it.01:09
* texel gives mud-builder a try01:09
JaffaAccomodation booked for the summit :)01:10
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jotthm.. is there a way to force the fetching of the agps data from the supl server?01:11
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lardmanevening all01:22
Jaffatexel: I'm bedding soon, but if you have any mud problems, give me a shout either here; via email or through the mailing list.01:22
Jaffalardman: evenin'01:22
lardmanhi Jaffa01:22
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texelJaffa: "dpkg-source: error: per-package paragraph 2 in control info file is missing Package line"01:34
texelWhile it was attempting to do a "mud get kanatest"01:34
texelRan into a fetch for autotools-dev01:35
JaffaCan you email me your package.xml? I *really* need to sleep; andrew@bleb.org01:36
texelJaffa: just sleep. =o)01:36
texelJaffa: nothing special with the package.xml -- it's the same as what's listed for the creating a new package, just with 'cal' substuted with 'kanatest'.01:36
texelG'night. =o)01:36
lardmannight Jaffa01:36
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* lardman wonders what to do first, vfp sbc encoder or some DSP intrinsic tweaks to the DSP fixed point one01:37
Tobais there a good time tracking application for maemo?01:38
lardmanthere's a GPE app, not sure of the name off the top of my head01:39
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* Toba looks around 01:40
lardmannot sure which repo you'd find it in01:41
lardmansilly me01:41
TobaI wish I had a chance to go to linuxtag01:42
lardman'twas good, especially to chat to people face-to-face01:42
TobaI'm sure01:42
* lardman still has problems relating IRC nicks, email addresses & faces though :)))01:44
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Tobai'm pretty used to that concept01:46
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GreyFoxxHow long should it normally take when plugging a n810 in to charge for the very first time for something to appear on the screen showing it's charging ?  Mine's been plugged in for 15 minutes with nothing showing up and I'm starting to worry :)01:53
GeneralAntillesGreyFoxx, sure your charger is powered/working?01:53
lardmanhi Ryan01:53
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GeneralAntillesIt'll show an indication that it's charging as soon as you plug it in.01:53
Andy80GreyFoxx: uhm.... it should appear suddenly01:53
* GeneralAntilles pokes Simon with a stick.01:53
GreyFoxxGeneral: The charger itself is warming up, so I can only assume it's working01:53
lardmanluckily Simon has just been to Aikido, so pokes back with a bokken01:54
GeneralAntillesTry unplugging it and replugging it?01:54
GreyFoxxAndy: :/01:54
GreyFoxxGeneral: Yeah01:54
GreyFoxxEven different outlets01:54
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GeneralAntillesReboot the N810?01:54
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming it's powered on?01:54
Grackle Man, that was pretty freaking lame..01:54
GreyFoxxGeneral. I took it out of the box, put in the battery and plugged it in01:55
GreyFoxxpressing and holding the power butter for 3 or 4 seconds seems to have no effect01:55
GeneralAntillesNew unit?01:55
* Grackle had the package boxed up and ready to go, then gets an email to the effect of "lol just kidding, it's going on ebay"01:55
GreyFoxxGeneral: Yup, just arrived this afternoon01:55
GeneralAntillesN810 . . . so shouldn't be an OMAP timing issue.01:56
GreyFoxxHmmm If I plug in the USB cable, and press the power butten the PC sees a new device01:56
GeneralAntilles'least, I've never heard of the OMAP timing issue affecting N810s01:56
GeneralAntillesAlright, try this.01:56
GeneralAntillesUnplug it from USB and the charger.01:56
GeneralAntillesTake the battery out for a few seconds01:56
GeneralAntillesput the battery back in01:56
GeneralAntillesthen try to power it on.01:56
lardmanGeneralAntilles: hrw had a timing issue with an N810 didn't he; there was that kernel-only release just before Diablo iirc01:57
GeneralAntilles42-19 was a kernel-only release.01:57
GreyFoxxJust tried that, held the power button for a count of 10 and still nothing :/01:57
GeneralAntillesThe bootloader issue was 51-301:58
GreyFoxxplugged back in the usb cable and the PC sees it01:58
GeneralAntillesHrm, that's really weird01:58
GreyFoxxso it appears to be coming on but nothing on the screen01:58
lardmanThe battery should have enough charge to do something, Li-ion batteries are pre-conditioned afaik01:59
GreyFoxxthat or the brightness is so low I can't make it out01:59
GeneralAntillesGreyFoxx, does it mount any cards?01:59
lardmanah, didn't see that, /me goes back to sbc :)01:59
GeneralAntillesWell, holding it under a lamp should show you something if there's actually something on screen to be seen.01:59
GreyFoxxI'm plugging into my wife's windows laptops01:59
GreyFoxxI'llk plug it into a linux box and see if it shows up as usb drives01:59
GeneralAntillesIt should mount on Windows, too, if it's going to mount.02:00
GreyFoxxDo I need install any drivers under windows first?02:01
GeneralAntillesIt'll mount just like a USB flash drive.02:01
GreyFoxxIt's asking me to search for drivers for it02:01
rm_youthat means its in flash mode IMO?02:01
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lardmansounds like it02:01
GreyFoxxand I don"t currently have micro/mini sd cards in it02:01
rm_youIE, it connected as a communication device, not storage02:01
VeggenGreyFoxx: oh. That explains.02:02
GeneralAntillesWell, it has a built-in 2gb card that it will mount.02:02
VeggenGeneralAntilles: ...unless you have enabled swap?02:02
GeneralAntillesIf it's new from factory, swap wont be enabled.02:02
GreyFoxxOk, so it sounds like I need to find something to flash it with ?02:02
rm_youGreyFoxx: well, no02:03
rm_youif nothing is coming up on the screen...02:03
GreyFoxxI'm just afraid I'll have to ship it back and wait for a replacement and it's brand new :)02:03
GeneralAntillesWell, it couldn't hurt too badly to try and flash.02:03
GreyFoxxGot a document or anything I can follow to do that with no screen needed ?:)02:04
GeneralAntillesLinux or Windows02:04
GeneralAntillesBoth will work02:04
Kegetysfor me the screen comes on even in the flash mode (if that's what you go to to update the firmware, by holding down the swap button)02:04
GreyFoxxsweet, thanks02:04
lardmancan I add CFLAGS to a debian rules file?02:04
lardmanor rather, how do I propagate CFLAGS?02:05
GeneralAntillesGreyFoxx, if flashing doesn't do anything (which I expect it wont), then my next recommendation is to leave it on the charger overnight (or for the next few hours) and see if anything changes.02:05
lardmanprobably pull the battery first, then put it back in and don't bother trying to switch it back on02:06
lardmanjust in case the flashing mode disables charging or something silly02:06
lardmanfyi Just sticking CFLAGS = "blah" in there does work02:09
GreyFoxxAny reason I shouldn't grab the latest release ?02:09
lardmanargh, why does it always have to be difficult?02:14
GeneralAntillesThe world is conspiring against you, lardman. :P02:14
lardmanah well, always look on the bright side & all that!02:14
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lardmanbed time, I'll leave vfp sbc until the morrow02:15
lardmannight all02:15
GeneralAntilles'night. :)02:15
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lcukGreyFoxx, you have checked you have removed any sticker things from the battery terminals havent you02:32
lcuknight lbt02:32
GeneralAntilleslcuk, there aren't any sticker things on the battery terminals.02:33
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GeneralAntillesYou broke Colloquy, lcuk. :P02:35
lcukyer, blame it on me :P02:36
GeneralAntillesColloquy needs an update02:36
GeneralAntillesI like how new messages randomly cause it to stop redrawing windows.02:36
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GreyFoxxWell poop. It successfully flashed but no screen activity03:18
* jott slaps his isp03:18
GreyFoxxand now I see nothing in windows at all when I turn it on03:18
GreyFoxxLooks like this will be going back tomorrow :/03:19
GAN800GreyFoxx, I know one other person who had display connector issues. Just bad luck. :(03:20
GreyFoxxyeah. Oh well, my birthday isn't for another week or so anyway03:20
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GreyFoxxthis was an early gift from my mom03:20
GreyFoxxshe was excited to finally be able to buy me a geek toy since normally she has no idea what to get me heh03:21
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pupnikanybody thinking of flying to the USA?03:37
pupnik   A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed  great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a... TASER... to be worn by all airline passengers.03:38
texelpupnik: eh?!03:38
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pupniktexel: just goes to illustrate their attitude towards us.  We're cattle to them.03:41
texelpupnik: I'm a US citizen, and I'm appalled.03:41
pupnikRon Paul wanted to abolish DHS.  But nope, America didn't want to get off the crazy-train to naziville...03:42
GAN800Woo! Woo!03:42
nyu2That's insane!03:43
pupnikNot that i'll be implemented soon...03:44
nyu2For great justice, find the code to turn them all on at once.03:46
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nyu2From the ground.03:47
* pupnik falls over coughing03:47
nyu2Is there any particular reason I shouldn't use GDM on the debian bundle at ?03:49
pupnikmust be a thread for it over there03:51
nyu2It's weird that it doesn't have a display manager preinstalled.03:51
pupnikperhaps there are space constraints03:53
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nyu2I don't think so, really.  It's meant to be installed on a sdhc card.03:54
nyu2Memory overhead, maybe...03:54
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nyu2Hm.  I wonder if I can strip it down to text-mode only?03:55
lcuknyu2, that is the single most incredible idea I have ever seen anyone post :) however you will probably now and forever be included in some government watch list03:59
nyu2Oh, probably.03:59
nyu2I wouldn't be surprised if I already was.04:00
nyu2But more importantly, if I can come up with it, someone with the will to do it can, too.04:00
lcuki know, thats the reason it should never be implemented04:00
nyu2Suggest that it be included on EVERY flight, by EVERY passenger.  Including the President.04:01
lcukand the captain04:01
nyu2And the secret service.04:01
nyu2And the air marshals.04:01
lcukand all the crew04:01
lcukcant leave loopholes04:02
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nyu2This country is built around loopholes.04:02
nyu2It's annoying.04:02
DarthFreddMan I love loops, and certain holes.04:02
lcukDarthFredd, is that a hint to get back on topic?04:02
DarthFreddI don't suppose any of you know anything about..starting one's own private diablo server?04:02
nyu2The game?  No, sorry.04:03
lcukcan you get diablo the game on diablo the operating system?04:03
DarthFreddAw man04:03
m-cI have a FSF sticker on the back of my N80004:03
DarthFreddDamn these simple IRC searches!04:03
nyu2Probably not.  Unless you have an x86-to-armel recompiler up your sleeve.04:03
lcukare you talking about a webserver?04:03
DarthFreddNo dudes, I was talking about the game. Sorry!04:03
lcukthere is a dosbox04:04
lcuklol DarthFredd :) dont worry04:04
nyu2Hm.  qemu?04:04
lcukblame nokia for naming the OS release without doin a google first04:04
DarthFreddlcuk: is your nick pronounced lé cock or lhouck?04:04
m-cwhere is qwerty?04:04
lcukprobably in bed04:05
DarthFreddah, maemo is a mobile OS?04:05
lcukive never tried to pronounce it, its kinda new and wasnt meant to stick, but you can call me "ell sea you kay"04:05
lcukor just luck as most manage04:05
* nyu2 blinks at DarthFredd.04:05
nyu2Um, yes?04:05
DarthFreddfucking brilliant04:05
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lcuknyu2 the whole world has known diablo is a game for much longer than internet tablets running linux have been around calling a revision of their os diablo04:06
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nyu2I know.  But he's here, and asking about Maemo?04:06
nyu2The topic doesn't even mention Diablo.04:07
nyu2Oh, no.  I guess it does.04:07
lcuk<DarthFredd> No dudes, I was talking about the game. Sorry!04:07
* lcuk whacks nyu2 with a cluestick04:07
nyu2Yeah, yeah.04:07
nyu2Just wait until wearing those bracelets becomes proof of citizenship.04:08
DarthFreddYeh, get a fuckin' clue you thickskulled codeclefter :{P04:08
DarthFreddright, sorry to intrude on your OSS circlejerk04:08
GeneralAntillesOK then.04:08
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nyu2Huh.  Now I remember why I stick to smaller IRC servers.04:08
lcukCITIZEN "nyu2" FROM "nyu2.hometown" YOU HAVE BEEN TEH NORTY!    BZZZZZZZT!04:08
nyu2Less trolls.04:08
* nyu2 nods to lcuk.04:09
lcukthats the first sweary troll i think ive ever seen04:09
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GeneralAntillesThey're mostly spam trolls here04:10
GeneralAntillesWe get one about once every 2-3 weeks.04:10
nyu2Oh, ick.04:10
lcukyer, there will be more with diablo thinking about it04:10
lcukit does make sense, and i had realised but not REALISED what it meant04:11
nyu2Put it at the end of the topic?  Less people will see it.04:11
GeneralAntillesOr just take it off04:11
lcukand of course, blizzard have just announced diablo 3 havent they04:11
GeneralAntillesIt's been long enough04:11
nyu2t least it isn't World of Diablo...  yet.04:11
pupnikthe channel is still called #maemo...04:11
lcukdiablo is not mmorg, they dont need to compete with themselves yet04:12
lcukmaemo != diablo though04:12
lcukand thats the problem04:12
nyu2They're still sitting onWorld of Starcraft, too.04:12
lcukstarcraft isnt as big over here as in taiwan is it04:12
nyu2I don't know.  I never really played it.04:13
GeneralAntillesStarcraft has some incredible longevity.04:13
GeneralAntilles12 years and counting04:13
lcuktheres a lot of similar games04:13
lcukthe missus still plays and buys upgrades for sims04:13
nyu2RTS games aren't my favorite genre.04:13
GeneralAntillesIf you're speaking generally of RTS games. :P04:13
lcuki still play ut9904:14
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nyu2Oooh.  Is there a nethack for Diablo yet?04:14
GeneralAntillesI wish they had gotten around to updating UT99 for OS X.04:14
GeneralAntillesUT99 had some badass mods04:14
GeneralAntillesNone of the UT2003/4 mods stack up04:14
lcukruns amazingly well on any hardware, is quick and lets me pretend to fly *whilst shooting shit to smithareens*04:14
lcukall laters UTs make the hardware get a similar feeling to using vista04:15
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lcukit feels slow no matter what hardware you throw at it04:15
GeneralAntillesTacOps, Defense Alliance, Strangelove, Battle Bots04:15
GeneralAntillesThere are endless awesome mods for UT99.04:15
lcukits like working in hildon desktop versus liqbase ;)04:15
nyu2Oh, liqbase looks interesting.  Also, nice accent.04:17
* GeneralAntilles gets ready to watch the new Venture Bros04:17
nyu2Where can I get it?04:18
nyu2Ah, found it.  Will it run on Debian?04:20
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lcuknyu2, will what run? liqbase?04:23
nyu2Yes.  Is it a static binary, or dynamic?04:23
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lcuktheres libs required.  source is available if you wanna have a hack about04:24
lcuki dont think it compiles directly for anything other than maemo for now04:24
nyu2Hm.  I might install a dev environment on this thing, and see if it'll compile, then.04:24
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lcukits been attempted in the past04:25
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lcuki know theres nokia specific bugs in there that need cleaning before it will work04:25
* nyu2 nods.04:25
lcukbut then again, im not targetting it at anything other than my nokia04:25
nyu2I've only got an n800 right now, but it should work, right?04:25
lcukin the future i know the tweaks required will be simple enough04:25
lcukand i have ideas about that04:26
lcukoh yes04:26
nyu2Too bad you can't render PDFs at that speed.04:26
lcukive got a keyboard though, and the default OSK doesnt pop - its an overlay ontop of the desktop04:26
nyu2It would be nice.04:26
nyu2Ah, yeah.04:26
lcukfind something that gives the pdf as an object model with expected locations and render it04:27
nyu2I've got a bluetooth keyboard.04:27
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lcukits fairly simple, you can load whatever fonts you want04:27
nyu2I suspect that the machine just won't be fast enough.04:27
lcukyou can say draw this text here04:27
lcukwhy do you say that?04:27
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nyu2Because I've seen PDFs bog down machines more than 10 times as fast?04:28
lcukyou see me scrolling through hundreds of items and pages of text - ive got enough speed to render whole display quickly04:28
lcukthats loading the assets04:28
lcukits resizing textual content on the fly04:28
lcukas a proof of concept the text can be rendered04:29
lcukthen work out an algo to handle images04:29
nyu2Makes sense.04:29
lcukthats the way im currently thinking about html04:29
lcukbut shhh ;) noone knows about that yet04:29
nyu2Lit would be another good target.04:29
lcukthats hopefully another "surprise"04:29
nyu2Oh, is the max text size still 4mb?04:30
lcuktheres lots of possible things - if i document the process and clean up whats available and most of all make it simple, i could get some people willing to talk to specific formats04:30
lcukno, i upped it to 32mb for now ;)04:30
nyu2Also, can it handle wide text?04:30
nyu2Ah, good.04:31
GeneralAntilleslit support?04:31
GeneralAntillesJust expand it to HTML. . . .04:31
lcuksame reason you want .doc support or anything04:31
nyu2Well, I suppose so.04:31
nyu2But the extra conversion step is annoying.04:31
GeneralAntillesWell, lit support would best be implemented by having convertlit expand it before the reader just uses the html.04:32
GeneralAntillesDirect support would be a waste of time.04:32
lcukwell find a way for liqbase to automatically convert on the fly between known formats and displayable formats04:32
nyu2Call external programs, I guess.04:32
lcuklike some kind of object model containing pages and lines and words in fonts and pictures04:33
GeneralAntillesHrm, Media Converter is kinda old.04:33
* lcuk has all that in visual basic04:33
nyu2Are you going to be able to handle CJK characters?04:33
lcukheh! not unless i suddenly become foreign04:33
rm_youlcuk: so, you have it set up so the reader displays... pngs? jpegs?04:34
nyu2Oh, that's depressing.04:34
lcuki can load a subset from the fonts and i assume it can be controlled MUCH better than i have04:34
lcukrm_you, load liqbase04:34
lcukgoto options04:34
rm_youyou said one of those was already natively in the right layer04:34
nyu2I was hoping that you were planning on full unicode support.04:34
rm_youhad the right format in some layer04:34
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rm_youlcuk: k?04:35
lcuknyu2, not a current priority - tbh fonts might even be dropped entirely if something im thinking of comes out04:35
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lcukblit test04:35
rm_youi saw that04:35
rm_youis that png or jpeg?04:36
rm_youor neither?04:36
lcukthat is a fullcolor inmemory bitmap in yuv format04:36
rm_youi thought you said that either png or jpeg was natively yuv04:36
crashanddielcuk, heh, I've been thinking about the fonts not needed topic :P04:36
lcukhand drawn,  there is a jpeg library out there that can supply me with jpeg data in yuv format04:36
rm_youlcuk: so, you could essentially get it to load any jpeg?04:37
lcukcrash, grab latest source, compile: create sketches which say the words monday -> sunday and save them with titles of monday to sunday04:37
rm_youso if you had backends that could convert a format to jpeg, ie pdf -> jpg, LaTeX -> jpg, etc... it would be fairly quick to impliment to formats04:37
lcuka format to YUV bitplanes04:38
rm_youor would you rather actually have native support?04:38
crashanddielcuk, sorry, my NIT's battery is dead, won't be able to test04:38
lcukjpeg however saves at YUV correct resolution, thats the simplest to grab04:38
lcukthats ok crashanddie :) its just the startings initial sizing test for an os calendar04:38
crashanddielcuk, I figured :P04:39
lcukany other image formats require conversion from RGB file data to YUV screen data04:39
lcukif i were to make an image viewer, it would be faster than anything on this device for YUV04:39
nyu2Hm.  netpbm or imlib2?04:40
lcukjpeg ^04:40
lcukrarer than but valid if they save yuv04:40
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crashanddielcuk, feature request: the bookreader needs to support links, and save state of book [page] when closing04:40
lcukanyway, its late and ive got work in the morning04:40
lcuki would love to chat more04:40
lcuklinks to where?04:40
crashanddieeither itself, or the interwebs04:41
lcukbook state saving is a given as is key mapping and font sizing and scrolling speeds and a whole host of other things04:41
lcukinterwebs needs html04:41
crashanddieno it doesn't04:41
lcukor at least sockets04:41
rm_younah could just load the browser04:41
crashanddielcuk, browser as a third wheel solution04:42
lcukhow would the browser be visible on its backscreen when the overlay is on?04:42
crashanddiethat's what I meant by "save state of book when closing"04:42
rm_youlcuk: so do you think that converting pdf to jpeg in the background to display it that way would be... suboptimal?04:42
lcukwhat benefit would be gained from loading a book to shutting down and running the browser04:42
crashanddierm_you, quite04:42
rm_youwould you rather try to go for actual native pdf support?04:42
crashanddiepdf is complex and heavy04:43
crashanddieif you add that, I'd say we'd need to think of modules04:43
lcukrm_you, image portions of the pdf need decoding onto an image surface, however pdf is a page based document with text pinned in place at specific locations and fonts04:44
nyu2Modules aren't bad.04:44
nyu2Would be interesting to turn it into a complete hildon replacement.04:44
rm_youlcuk: yes but there ARE already pdf->jpeg converters, that create one jpeg per page, and essentially looks identical to the pdf page04:44
rm_youand i think i know one that is open source04:44
crashanddieI think I wrote one in PHP04:45
lcukyer, but very inelegent and wasteful for text based pdfs04:45
crashanddiethere's no way it would be smooth when loading a 20+ page04:45
lcukif its open source then it knows how to read a pdf (its open standard i think?) and so it will know where to draw text in certain locations04:45
rm_youthough reorganizing text (for, IE, zooming) and keeping track of image positions might be complex?04:46
crashanddiepdf file**04:46
lcukinstead of writing to a fluffing bitmap tweak it a bit to write to screen04:46
rm_youcrashanddie: it only needs to load like 5 pages at a time... current, +/- 204:46
rm_youor so04:46
crashanddieI don't know how memory usage is in liqbase04:47
lcukyes rm_you, its as complex as managing hundreds of recursive sketches on screen ;)04:47
GeneralAntillesAlright, anybody have an opinion on this?
GeneralAntillesStay or go?04:47
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'm with dneary, most of that stuff should go.04:47
GeneralAntillesPeople can go to those tool's respective websites if they want to learn how to use them04:47
rm_youi might be up for rewriting that, GA04:47
GeneralAntillesthrowing magic incantations at them isn't very useful.04:47
crashanddieif not stay04:47
rm_yousince video conversion is like... my thing <_<04:47
GeneralAntillesit mostly just manages to clutter up the page and confuse them.04:48
crashanddieat least give it a dedicated page04:48
lcukright, sleeping :) gnite chaps - we shall no doubt talk more04:48
crashanddielcuk, like always04:48
rm_youok lcuk04:48
crashanddielcuk, good night04:48
rm_youwill catch you when you wake up04:48
rm_youand i will still be up :P04:48
crashanddiehe doesn't sleep04:48
crashanddiehe just pretends04:48
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I think "transcode" section should go entirely (I've never heard of it), and the mencoder and ffmpeg sections should be downsized to a paragraph or two each.04:49
lcukgnite GeneralAntilles ill stay out of this linuxy thing *waves hands*04:49
GeneralAntilles'night, lcuk. :P04:49
GeneralAntillesIf somebody wants to strip the last section off into its own page (say, "Manual video encoding") that'd work.04:50
nyu2Transcode is useful.04:54
nyu2But maximum bitrates would be useful.04:55
nyu2Err, more useful.04:55
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nyu2Why condense it?  Move it to an 'examples' page instead?04:56
GeneralAntillesBecause the goal isn't to scare people away.04:56
crashanddietalking about tablet-encode04:58
crashanddieI never got around solving this04:58
crashanddieUse of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/tablet-encode line 526.04:59
nyu2Where is tablet-encode?04:59
nyu2Ah, found it.04:59
crashanddiesometimes, I feel like the answers we give are useless04:59
GeneralAntillesYou're useless.05:00
crashanddieThank you05:00
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: ur useless.05:00
GeneralAntillesrm_you, think you can flesh out the limitations section to be a little more useful?05:02
GeneralAntillesIt needs some general guidelines for resolution/bitrate05:02
nyu2crashanddie, which version are you using?05:03
* GeneralAntilles is gonna have to stop doing all the WPotD articles. <_<05:04
crashanddienyu2, latest05:04
crashanddie2.18 IIRC05:04
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, WPotD ?05:04
GeneralAntillesWiki Page of the Day05:04
nyu2That looks like the output file name.05:04
GeneralAntillesdneary's campaign isn't working so well. :P05:05
nyu2It crashes instead of launching a gui?05:05
crashanddie  my %data = $list =~ /^   (\w+)\s*-\s*(.*)$/mg;05:05
nyu2Then your perl is missing a component.05:05
crashanddiemplayer doesn't support lavc encoder05:05
crashanddieI get that, too :-°05:06
nyu2At the top, there're a list of 'use' commands.05:06
nyu2What distro are you using?05:06
GeneralAntillesI loled05:06
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nyu2'apt-get install apt-get'?05:07
crashanddienyu2, buntu05:07
nyu2It works on mine.05:08
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crashanddieI'll just keep using mencoder, like always :P05:08
nyu2You're probably missing something in perl, like I said.05:08
GeneralAntillesCan't imagine what05:09
crashanddieme neither05:09
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nyu2Well, install the 'use' command components using cpan?05:10
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GeneralAntillesJaffa'll be able to tell you when he wakes up. :P05:10
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GeneralAntillesmediaserv is pretty badass05:10
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GeneralAntillesSo it's definitely worth figuring out.05:10
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crashanddiefound it05:11
nyu2No, I guess not.  Commenting them ot doesn't get your error.05:11
nyu2What was it?05:11
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crashanddieI had a hacked up version of mencoder05:11
nyu2Makes sense.05:11
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crashanddiebetter and better05:13
crashanddie*** unhandled exception in callback:05:13
crashanddie***   Can't use string ("/home/crashanddie/Desktop/test.a") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/bin/tablet-encode line 173.05:13
crashanddieI'm tired05:13
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crashanddiesee you guys tomorrow05:14
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prez00so there still aren't any central american cities on tablet...05:43
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prez00can i manually add my hometown?05:44
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rm_youprez00: there are06:13
rm_youprez00: or... where exactly are you?06:14
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prez00rm_you, managua,nicaragua06:16
rm_youthere should be some that are on the same UTC +/-06:17
rm_youeven if they arent local06:17
prez00guess nokia didn't figure there'd be tablets in central america ;-)06:17
prez00utc -606:18
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rm_youthats central USA too i think06:20
rm_youwithout DST06:20
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rm_youarizona doesnt have DST06:22
rm_youah might not be central quite...06:22
rm_younot sure06:22
prez00i am impressed with diablo, much more usable, snappier everywhere...06:22
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prez00chicago is utc -6 but dst06:23
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pekujais there any reasonable way to run Scratchbox in Windows?06:45
pekujaor any way at all?06:45
pekuja(easy or reasonable way preferred)06:46
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befr0dpekuja, VMware + indt virtual machine image?07:16
pekujayeah, that could basically work07:18
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atulWhen launching Display on Xehpyer it give this Error message, [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > start /usr/bin/ Error, the DISPLAY environment variable is not defined. DISPLAY must be host:display when using sbrsh in Scratchbox and X forwarding will be used. If you use Xephyr, set DISPLAY to :N,where 'N' is the display number passed to Xephyr in command line.07:36
befr0dexport DISPLAY=:207:39
befr0dwait, what do you mean launching display on xephyr?07:40
befr0dyou need to start xephyr, then export DISPLAY, then run af-sb-init.sh07:41
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atulbefr0d: Yes after starting Xephyr when I export display and run I got that error message07:51
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befr0datul, the error is pretty clear, you have not set the DISPLAY env variable correctly08:16
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befr0dI know there is a warning regarding the DISPLAY variable, but it works08:17
atulbefr0d: ya ur right now its working after exporting display08:19
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skiburdiablo and python 2.508:21
skiburI don't see it in application manager08:21
skiburRed or Blue pill?08:21
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atulbefr0d: thanks08:26
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prez00will kismet or something similar run on n8x0?08:31
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rm_youskibur: dunno, if you install something like... ukmp or canola, it should pull in python for you08:37
skiburano ok08:37
rm_youi think those both require python08:37
skiburgot it08:37
skiburI want to install Debian on my sd card08:37
skiburI'm booting from the SD card, but it only asked for MMC1 or 208:38
skiburbut now root08:38
rm_yousorry, i would try to help but just heading out <_< was just checking stuff before i left08:39
skiburthats ok08:39
skiburneed to hit the sack in bit08:39
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qwerty12Heh, you can even find johnx's debian on edonkey :P09:29
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* johnx wonders why09:30
qwerty12All I'm looking for the the l3 l4 of the n800 :(09:30
bmann800 ftw09:31
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rororohi, evince tells me there's no Ghostscript-Interpreter in PATH; what did I do wrong?09:37
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skiburDebian on SD Card09:49
johnxcool. :D working well for you?09:49
skiburtrying to09:50
skiburI have Diablo + KDE09:50
skiburon a 4GB SD09:50
skiburrepartitioning my SD card09:51
qwerty12It would probably be easier just buying an cheap 2gb.09:51
bexhowbig is kde09:51
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johnxyeah, you should be able to split it into 2 2GB parts09:52
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Italodancewhat's rdesktop?09:52
johnxItalodance, "rdesktop is an open source client for Windows Terminal Services" -
Italodancejohnx tnx do u have the screenshots for IT?09:54
skiburjust got debian etch on my Nintendo Wii09:54
johnxnope, but try google09:54
johnxskibur, awesome. what hardware works?09:54
johnxor rather, what doesn't work? :D09:54
skibureverything works fine, but needs Wifi09:54
skiburits just the base right now09:55
bexhas anyone set up free landline/mobile calling with gizmo?09:56
* johnx googles about linux/wii09:58
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johnxnintendo wii09:58
qwerty12u serious?09:58
bexoh you are putting linux on it?09:58
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johnxwell, that's the idea09:58
skiburFirefox fixed the Memory issue, but now it suck a lot of power09:58
skiburI have Linux on my Nintendo Wii09:59
johnxwhy not?09:59
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bexwell what do you use it for09:59
johnxat this stage: playing10:00
johnxbut everything started as playing, like that internet thing10:00
skiburI creating a "Lights Out" game for the Wii10:00
johnxmedia playback would be nice10:00
bexdoes it still play games?10:01
skiburthey already have it10:01
skiburits called "Miidia"10:01
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johnxbex, yeah, it's a dual boot kinda thing10:01
skiburI watched a movie on a mplayer10:01
skiburand good night10:05
trickieha, see ya10:06
skiburneed to hit the sack10:06
skiburLinux RuleZ!!!10:06
johnx'night skibur10:06
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prez00linux rules almost 1% of market! ;-)10:31
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atul[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit10:31
atulReading package lists... Done10:31
atulBuilding dependency tree... Done10:31
atulE: Couldn't find package maemo-explicit10:31
atulwhy so ?10:31
atullbt: any idea10:32
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jackghi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800?10:42
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jackg>hi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the N800's wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800?10:45
bmanwhat are you actually try8ing to do?10:46
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jackgI just want to configure aodv mode both pc and N800, so i can use gstreamer to transmit video file10:48
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jackgbetween pc and n80010:48
bmanid be interested in how to do that10:50
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jackgBut  I have hard problem. it has tortured me for a long time10:52
JaffaMorning, all10:53
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Jaffacrashanddie: ping (tablet-encode problems)11:02
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lcukrm_you, you still awake?11:25
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rm_youof course11:25
lcuk_workas i was dozing off last night i realised as a proof of concept it might be a good idea to try the image pdf thing, ill tell you once actual loading is implemented11:26
lcuk_workbut im in work now, we shall talk later :)11:27
rm_youheh ok11:29
rm_youi can get to work on the backend for that11:29
rm_youor at least a script to do it11:29
rm_youwhich would be fine for ME for the meantime, as long as i can read em :P11:29
lcuk_workit may not work really well, but it will give enough of an idea11:29
rm_youdo you have it semi-set-up to load the yuv jpegs?11:29
lcuk_workie scaling to size and stuff will not be in place (yet)11:29
lcuk_worki have it setup to render YUV bitmaps11:30
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rm_youi will work on... something.11:30
lcuk_worki*know* the code exists to extract the YUV information from images11:30
lcuk_workthe nokia loading screen (hands and scrollbar) is open source and uses the jpeg library11:30
lcuk_workin the way we require (its also got other goodness in there as well)11:31
lcuk_workbut gahhhh not now - back later11:31
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ddenishi. has anybody seen link errors like this with diablo x86 under scratchbox? `.L894' referenced in section `.rodata' of .obj/debug-shared/qdrawhelper.o: defined in discarded section `.text._Z13qt_memconvert ...?11:40
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jackgensonic_ are you here?11:52
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X-FadeJaffa: ping12:05
pekujahm, is it not possible to use dpkg directly inside scratchbox?12:06
pekujaI'm trying to manually install a package I have sitting on my disk12:06
bmandpkg -i filename12:07
RST38hit was possible before12:07
pekujayes I know, but I get Permission denied12:07
X-FadeRST38h: I'm pretty sure it still is ;)12:07
X-Fadepekuja: fakeroot dpkg -i filename12:08
pekujaah, thanks12:08
pekujahmmm, no12:08
pekujaI'm trying to install a new toolchain12:08
pekujaand I don't seem to have access to /scratchbox/compilers12:08
pekujallunch ->12:09
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RST38hXFade: I vaguely remember people reporting problems with dpkg in diablo sb12:09
RST38hnothing fundamental though12:10
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melmoth33 rue de Toul, 75012 Paris12:45
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X-Fadelardman: Ping12:51
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|tbb|i wonder the built in camera can take pictures like that12:52
|tbb|anyone using kagu with a2dp12:52
lardmanX-Fade: pong12:52
X-Fadelardman: Did you receive your acceptance mail for the summit?12:53
lardmanX-Fade: nope12:53
lardmanX-Fade: is that the expected outcome? :)12:54
X-Fadelardman: Ehm, no ;)12:56
X-Fadelardman: That is what I was checking ;)12:56
lardmannp :)12:56
X-FadeI saw that Quim approved requests, so I had to check.12:56
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lardmanah ok, well I'll keep my fingers crossed12:57
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X-Fadelardman: Well, you have been approved.12:57
X-FadeEhm accepted.12:57
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lardmanX-Fade: cool :)13:26
X-Fadeyes ;)13:26
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X-Fadelardman: But still, you should have received an email about that..13:26
lardmanafraid not13:26
lardmanplenty of time yet though, so not a big issue13:28
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lcuk_worklardman, the mail comes from "nobody" check your spam just in case13:30
lardmanlcuk_work: My spam is either marked ++SPAM++ or sent to /dev/null if it's really spammy, nothing I can do about it13:30
* lcuk_work had a rule for that and almost lost it13:30
lcuk_workdepending on what you put in the application it might have been "I want to talk about cailis and enlarging my pen 15"13:31
lardmanthe wonders of Outlook rules13:31
lardmanMy apologies, it was moved, had maemo somewhere in it13:31
lcuk_workgmail actually - i had a massive joe jobbing which originated at nobody@13:32
* lardman is slightly embarrassed13:32
lardmanX-Fade: hope I didn't cause you too much head scratching13:32
lardmanat least it wasn't purged by the uni's mail server anyway13:33
* X-Fade pokes lardman with a sharp stick ;)13:33
* lardman deserves that13:33
* lcuk_work creates a rule in outlook to remind lardman to check his global "unread mail" filter at the top ;)13:34
lcuk_workor are you using a really old outlook?13:34
lardmanI have so many unread mails, all the mailing list stuff just gets moved and remains unread - i read the deleted ones in the inbox before purging the imap server13:35
lardmanOutlook rules are also really crap, they don't do what you want them to13:36
lardmancould be user error though I guess13:37
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ddenisall: is it possible to upgrade gcc that is used in DIABLO_X86 target? 3.4.4 it too old and produces link errors for me.13:52
zap_Anybody knows at which level on N800 the central joystick button is handled? Can the onscreen keyboard be disabled somehow to not appear when it is pressed?13:55
guardian_i'm mostly lurking here for months and drifted out maemo dev a bit. what's the future of hildon and such now that nokia acquired trolltech13:57
guardian_are there known plans ? will a next version of the device use Qt instead of GTK ?13:57
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melmothddenis: i do not know, but i would love to know if this is possible too :-)14:01
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ddenismelmoth: well it doesn't look like it is easy. at least I can't find any info on what patches are applyed to it (except ones in debian/patches) and what oss8 means...14:05
Jaffaguardian_: Gtk isn't going anywhere. Next version of Maemo (codenamed: Fremantle) will contain the community-supplied Qt4 from The version after that (Harmattan) will contain an officially supported, fully integrated and presumably indistinguishable Qt.14:06
guardian_will hildon desktop move to Qt then ?14:06
AStormno, why?14:07
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AStormfirst, they should fix hildon-input-method14:07
guardianfix in what sense ?14:07
AStorm(e.g. by using AccessX)14:07
AStormfor all modifiers and apps14:07
AStormmake it non-hack14:07
AStormcurrently it's a gtk2 hack14:08
guardianwhy do you call it a hack ?14:08
AStormit is one14:08
guardiancurrently it's a GtkIMContext working as a host14:08
guardiani can't see the hack in this14:08
AStormnon-hack, X-global is accessx sicky keys14:08
AStormthey reimplemented it for GTK only14:08
guardianwell wouldn't xim be the way to go ?14:08
AStormno, xim is for weird languages14:09
AStormAccessX is for accessibility, like sticky keys, hold keys, etc.14:09
guardianan input method plugin needs to send back unicode character strings14:09
AStormit only needs to send keystrokes14:09
guardiani don't agree, i'm coding handwriting recognition :D14:09
AStormah, that, yes14:10
AStormthen it's ok14:10
AStormbut it still should send key events, for additional usability14:10
guardiani can remap the keyboard on the fly with UTF8 keysyms, but THAT is hackish14:10
guardiantrue, you need both14:10
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guardianin fact for what i've followed from the moblin project, they have the same problems14:11
guardianthey couldn't use hildon input method at one time because the browser wasn't gtk based14:11
guardiannow i don't know what they chose since then14:11
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lcuk_workseen KotCzarny14:39
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lcuk_workhmmm, how does the bot thing work14:39
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florian~seen KotCzarny14:43
infobotkotczarny <n=ariel@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21d 12h 49m 28s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'.14:43
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lcuk_workflorian, thanks :)14:46
* lcuk_work wonders how he has a pm from him from this morning14:46
GeneralAntillesBecause he was on freenode but not in the channel saying things?14:47
crashanddieJaffa, ping14:48
crashanddieor pong14:48
lcuk_worki thought you had to be in the chan to say anything14:48
crashanddienot a PM14:48
GeneralAntillesEr, you can send private messages just by being connected to the server14:48
lcuk_workfair enough14:48
crashanddie/msg nick "This is a PM"14:48
lcuk_worknick must be thinking "yer, its a pm but wtf!"14:49
crashanddielet's try14:49
crashanddie* nick :No such nick/channel14:49
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florianlcuk_work: yw14:50
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lcuk_workok, supposing he was somewhere on freenode, can i check where he might be - i seem to recall something which listed the chans14:50
GeneralAntilles /whois14:51
crashanddieand //whowas14:51
lcuk_workive not had a logout msg in the pm window14:51
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lcuk_workyer, just on server14:53
* lcuk_work curses the elusive mr Czarny. hes like Keizer Soze14:54
GeneralAntillesExcept much less cool.14:54
lcuk_workwell, there is that14:55
lcuk_workand they havent made a movie about him14:55
* lcuk_work gets back to real work anyway - ill send him a mail in a bit14:56
crashanddie8 emails14:58
crashanddie7 spam14:58
crashanddie1 from Quil ! w00t14:58
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inzcrashanddie, thanks for reminding, I need to clean my spam folder on gmail15:00
GeneralAntillesWhat's with all the Asian dudes asking for sources on bugzilla over the last couple days?15:00
inzcrashanddie, gmail gives a lot of false positives for me and I need to receive some rsvp responses.15:01
GeneralAntilleslol Eero is so awesome.
Jaffacrashanddie: pong15:01
crashanddieThey wanted to throw bricks, but making electronics in their factories appeared to be cheaper, so now they want to pack their NIT-bombs with loads of software so it's heavier15:01
Jaffacrashanddie: you were having tablet-encode problems?15:01
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crashanddieJaffa, I get that after selecting a file I want to encode, and the output file, and then hitting encode, no matter the quality setting15:03
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Jaffacrashanddie: using the GUI version. Hmm, does it work correctly using the command line?15:09
Jaffacrashanddie: also, what distro/Perl version?15:09
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crashanddiesorry, got attacked by a wasp15:11
Jaffacrashanddie: do you have a ~/.tablet-encode.conf file?15:11
crashanddieThis is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi15:11
crashanddiedistro: Ubuntu Hardy15:11
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crashanddielardman|lunch, gutten appetiet !15:12
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crashanddieso now we have lcuk and luck...15:13
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pekujaconsider us lucky15:14
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crashanddieJaffa, command line works15:17
Jaffacrashanddie: can you do `dd if=<the input file> of=sample.avi bs=1M count=4' and send me the 4MB file which'll result?15:17
Jaffacrashanddie: actually, that might not be needed. what's the filename of the file you're trying to convert?15:17
crashanddieerr :-°15:18
Jaffacrashanddie: and the output file? (does it already exist?)15:18
crashanddieoutput file doesn't exist, I've tried test.avi or whatever15:19
Jaffacrashanddie: using the "Save" button or just typing the path?15:19
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crashanddieSave button15:19
JaffaRight, cool, I've managed to recreate it.15:20
GeneralAntillesHow likely is it that somebody is going to come around looking to mount a jffs2 image running a 2.4 kernel?15:24
GeneralAntillesDo we really need the 2.4-specific steps?15:24
crashanddieI'd say the odds are slim15:25
GeneralAntillesGood enough for me.15:25
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Kegetysargh, why does the rss feed reader cache go to the user home dir instead of the internal memory card15:33
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GeneralAntillesThis seems to be missing the "put your modified stuff back into the jffs2 image" part15:39
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GeneralAntillesAnybody familiar with that process want to flesh it out?15:39
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Hmm shouldn't the reference links also show more info about what they reference?15:53
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GeneralAntillesI was too lazy to add it15:53
GeneralAntillesSee Jaffa's MUD page for an example15:53
X-FadeAh ok ;)15:53
X-FadeHmm yeah, that is better ;)15:54
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Do you think I should add to 'Uploading to Extras' a global picture about how the whole track works? (assistant | dput) -> autobuilder -> extras-devel -> (promotion) -> extras15:59
X-FadeOr at least a description...15:59
GeneralAntillesI sat in OmniGraffle for about 10 minutes yesterday thinking about doing just that. :D16:00
GeneralAntillesFlowchart would be great16:00
X-FadeAh, yeah I was looking for an chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D16:02
infobotX-Fade meant: Ah, yeah I was looking for a chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D16:02
JaffaBah, someone hates me. One of my cheap journeys has gone from 36 eur to 92 eur.16:05
X-FadeJaffa: Probably means that the cheap seats for that date have been sold.16:06
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lcuk_work~lart powervr policy makers ;)16:12
* infobot flings poo at powervr policy makers ;)16:12
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lcuk_workjaffa, you might have to fly *inside* the airplane16:13
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hendryhas anyone got some tips to activate the GPS device on a N810, without requiring the map application?16:39
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Kegetysmaemo-mapper? :)16:40
hendrylike how do you just launch that little sattelite icon16:41
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crashanddiehendry, you can launch gpsd IIRC16:42
crashanddiehendry, though, gpsd is configured to only accept localhost connections16:42
Atariicant you do it through the control panel -> gps16:42
zappppIs it possible to disconnect from the current network somehow without clicking "disconnect" in the connectivity manager? I have tried libconic's disconnect method and several other ways but those didn't work :(16:43
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Atariizappp: ifconfig wlan0 down16:44
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Atariithen: ifconfig wlan0 up16:44
drakohello people16:44
Atariinot the neatest though :p16:44
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JaffaX-Fade: yeah, there're other arrangements under way by Mrs Jaffa16:54
X-FadeAh ;)16:56
X-FadeBtw, how is mud-builder coming along?16:56
X-FadeAny difficulties?16:56
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JaffaNope, over the weekend plan on improving the vim package with a couple of mud enhancements and then promote it to extras16:59
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Jaffatexel had a problem last night building kanatest due to an issue with apt-get and repo signatures; but fixed that this morning.17:00
X-FadeWell, it is cool to see that it works ;)17:00
X-FadeBtw, are all packages that are in mud-builder svn already in extras-devel?17:02
X-FadeOr aren't they compatible with the newer versions of mud?17:03
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JaffaX-Fade: not tried them, TBH.17:20
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X-FadeJaffa: I was thinking about a massive upload ;)17:20
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* GeneralAntilles sighs.17:43
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qwerty12WTF, Remove swap? My N800 shits out sometimes with not enough memory when I have a browser, application manager and x-term open.17:44
X-Fadeqwerty12: I never need swap ever?17:45
qwerty12I've always needed it ;)17:45
GeneralAntillesYeah, same here.17:45
GeneralAntillesIt helps a lot.17:45
GeneralAntillesEspecially with multitasking.17:45
aquatixmaybe i should try enabling17:45
X-FadeWell, I just close things I don't need ;)17:46
GeneralAntillesBattle for Wesnoth is one that requires swap to run well.17:46
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, multitasking generally implies that everything is being used. :P17:46
aquatixX-Fade: pft, closing apps...17:46
drakojust throw away what ever you don't know what is doing17:47
X-FadeYeah, but that one is crazy on memory usage ;)17:47
qwerty12Hence the need for swap.17:47
GeneralAntillesdrako, pfft.17:47
GeneralAntillesThat's a good way to get yourself in trouble.17:47
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Heh, sure you copy-paste from application manager to your google doc? :)17:47
GeneralAntilles"Oh, icd? I don't know what this does, might as well throw it away."17:47
GeneralAntillesAnyway, swap is something I recommend to everybody.17:48
qwerty12(That was going to be the start of a sentence that will never walk this earth)17:48
GeneralAntillesThe solution that needs to happen would be something like having swap disabled on boot if the card is set ro.17:48
drakoi wouldn't mind not having swap. (at least if i had 4 giga ram)17:49
* aquatix looks at his home workstation with 8GB ram; ubuntu decided that it needed 9GB swap17:50
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aquatixforge: i'm going to let gparted decide otherwise ;)17:51
qwerty12If nokia do remove swap, I'm just gonna copy back the old control panel plugin and make modifications to ke-recv source.17:52
forgeAquatix, i could imagine that being a smart choice :D17:53
aquatixforge: i thought I'd let the installer decide on its own *once*17:53
aquatixnever going to do that again17:54
aquatixfirst time i installed ubuntu anyway17:54
qwerty12That was a stupid choice by me too, it removed my XP recovery partition despite the installer saying it would use only free space.17:54
drakothat's why i have mine in a vmware17:54
drakothat was free space :-D17:55
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aquatixqwerty12: heh, ouch17:56
qwerty12Thankfully, I've managed to keep this xp install for more than a month without reformatting so hopefully, I shouldn't have a use for it :P17:56
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X-FadeHmm I opened 6 browsers with all kinds of large pages on my diablo n810 and it doesn't complain about memory?17:57
fysaGeneralAntilles: does Remote Buddy work with Maemo?  (found anything else like it that does?)17:58
GeneralAntillesfysa, works fine17:58
GeneralAntillesJust use the http interface.17:58
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, flash and javascript may have turned off17:58
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't complain17:58
X-FadeWhile application manager and file manager are open too btw.17:58
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GeneralAntillesit just starts shutting things down.17:58
X-FadeNope flash still works.17:58
fysaremotebuddy+nicecast+itunes seems to be a nice setup.17:59
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, either way, I KNOW users do run into it frequently17:59
* qwerty12 for one17:59
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: On diablo too?18:00
GeneralAntilleskrisse has a whole article on his site about the issue.18:00
GeneralAntillesYes, on Diablo too.18:00
GeneralAntillesNothing changed in that regard.18:00
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I had it on chinook, but haven't seen it ever on diablo.18:00
GeneralAntillesStill, "our implementation is broken so instead of fixing it we should just dump it entirely" isn't a correct answer.18:01
crashanddiehow are we supposed to get a Maemo t-shirt ?18:01
GeneralAntillesBe awesome like me.18:01
fysadepends on how broken it is ;)18:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you're not awesome18:01
fysa(tried FileZilla for OS X yesterday)18:01
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, you're american, so that's quite incompatible18:02
GeneralAntillesOooh buuurn18:02
crashanddieMhuwhahahaha, yeah, there18:02
crashanddieI've said it18:02
GeneralAntillesHow's, oh, nuclear energy working out for you in France there? :P18:02
qwerty12Come, EU V US. Fight's in my backyard. :P18:02
crashanddieNuclear energy ? I dunno, I pedal, and I have 6 chinese blokes pedaling 24/7 to give me powaaaa18:03
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crashanddiePlus, I don't shave, and I'll capitulate to anyone with a sound of authority (read german-voice)18:04
aquatixGeneralAntilles: fyi, that's the biggest electricity export source of France18:04
crashanddieAnd yesse, I speak with ze cigarette in my mouth18:04
aquatixX-Fade: i had it in diablo recently18:04
GeneralAntillesYeah, aquatix, I know. ;)18:04
* aquatix <- stating the obvious since 198218:05
qwerty12crashanddie should supply them with weed to burn instead, that would be job satisfaction as the workers breathe in the weed fumes18:05
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crashanddieare you mad ?18:06
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qwerty12Well, you could charge street rates + a lot extra on top.18:06
qwerty12But to answer your question, I AM MAD!18:07
crashanddieI'm pretty sure of one thing though18:07
crashanddieI know where you'd work if I did :D18:07
aquatixqwerty12: shush, we know ;)18:07
lardmannot weed discussions again~!18:07
qwerty12crashanddie, indeed you do :P18:08
qwerty12aquatix, MAD PEOPLE DO NOT BE QUIET! :P18:08
qwerty12lardman, true, I shall shut up now.18:08
GeneralAntillesOne track mind. . . .18:08
crashanddie"Hey guys, here's your weekly supply... Say... Where's my man Q?" "Err, like usual, checking something in the air vents"18:08
* aquatix hands qwerty12 a pointed hat18:09
* lardman feels a need to submit some enhancement bugs18:09
qwerty12crashanddie, lol18:09
qwerty12thanks aquatix, now I can beat you up with it :)18:09
qwerty12(well, I'd put a gun inside the hat)18:10
* aquatix puts on his anti-pointy-hat-missile-hat18:10
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* qwerty12 puts on the hat that penetrates the anti-pointy-hat-missile-hat 18:11
* aquatix shoots qwerty12 in the face and continues typing madly at his thesis18:12
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* aquatix throws a /me at crashanddie 18:12
* GeneralAntilles evades.18:12
qwerty12Ouch. Your bullets cannot touch me as I have the bullet proof hat.18:12
aquatixtoo bad your hat didn't cover your face18:13
qwerty12Dunno, I keep my hat down looowww18:13
* aquatix fires up his Nerf railgun18:13
aquatixah :)18:13
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* lardman feels better now18:21
crashanddiefor all you yanks18:22
lardman:) always brings a smile to the face that one18:24
lardmanhmm, looks like it's been modified since the Al Gore/Bush times18:26
crashanddienote to self: don't reply to some guy promising 8.500.000.000 african currency, even if it's to make fun of him, or you will get spammed to death18:26
johnxyeah, I've seen an more spam getting through gmail filters recently18:27
derfWhich African currency?18:27
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RST38hwhat is on that slexy site? anything new and original?:)18:27
derf'Cause that's like an eigth of a cent in Zimbabwe dollars.18:27
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X-Fadederf: Probably usd ;)18:27
qwerty12Probably the Nigerian currency :/18:27
crashanddiewell, US$ is worth as much as the Congolese Frank so...18:28
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crashanddieUSD1000 is like what... 50euros nowadays? :P18:29
qwerty12Meh, the UK could be going the same way :/18:29
RST38hmore like 66618:29
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qwerty12ooh, red currency18:29
RST38hbut you guessed the trend right18:29
* lcuk_work is not looking forward to tomoroww18:29
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GeneralAntilles1 USD = .6 Euro18:30
lcuk_work(no, its not a spelling test)18:30
RST38hqwerty: only if you decide to occupy afghanistan AGAIN18:30
lcuk_workOMG ive got a broken finger now as well18:30
qwerty12today is lcuk's day.18:30
qwerty12RST38h, Heh, who knows, we can bring back sand @)18:31
RST38hqwerty: but something is telling me that uk is done doing that18:31
lcuk_workyer, typos and mistakes and broken teef18:31
crashanddie#define "July 8th" "Lcuky Day"18:31
lardmanlcuk_work: I can commisserate, I've got a swollen finger18:31
qwerty12Think an ifndef will follow?18:31
qwerty12Hmm, think pastebin is a good place to upload an 7MB diff?18:33
crashanddieqwerty12, slexy it18:33
qwerty12Thanks, will do18:34
crashanddieAt some point, I was stress-testing slexy18:34
crashanddie20 concurrent 8megs text files18:34
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crashanddiefor about 2 hours18:34
crashanddieneedless to say, my IP got blacklisted :-°18:35
qwerty12bribe them :P18:35
lardman~lart bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart!18:35
* infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart!18:35
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qwerty12I'm just used to running task manager on messages like that now :/18:36
crashanddiewell, I told TPJ to unlist me, or I'd single handedly would DDoS his other websites :D18:36
qwerty12Haha, but what if police come and stumble onto something bigger ;)?18:37
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crashanddieLike Puerto Rico Police is going to come and knock at my door because I temporarily disabled his website18:38
crashanddie(yeah, TPJ lives in puerto rico)18:38
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qwerty12Let him know I want diff/patch syntax highlighting :P)18:38
qwerty12(I'm lazy.)18:38
crashanddiehe's not on, I'll tell him when he comes around18:39
qwerty12arrgh, firefox is threating to crash when pasting a 5mb patch in >.< and I didn't save my post, arrgh!18:39
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qwerty12crashanddie, just out of question, did slexy give you a blank page when uploading a "big" text file?18:46
qwerty12It has done to me :(18:46
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Kegetysis it safe to remove unneeded locales from /usr/share/locale, or is there some good way to do it? I see they take quite alot of space18:57
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* qwerty12 loves session manager, it just restored my firefox with the text in the thread i'm making.19:07
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AtariiKegetys did you remove the locales?19:26
Atariiim looking to do the same thing, and uninstall apps in other languages etc19:26
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qwerty12Kegetys, localepurge is the preferred method but sparsstuff page showing the modfications needed for it to work are gone now :/19:26
zapwhat is localepurgee?19:28
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you have any familiarity with this?
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Yes, that's how I used to repack the initfs :)19:29
Kegetyswould be nice to do it cleanly, I suppose just deleting the unneeded ones would work though19:29
GeneralAntillesDoes the Maemo 2.2 method still work fine?19:29
GeneralAntillesThink you could transpose the relevant parts of that to the wiki so it's not just a link to the old documentation page?19:29
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qwerty12Hmm, maemo 2.2 method?19:30
qwerty12(Both those methods on that page work)19:30
GeneralAntillesi.e., take the relevant information from here:
GeneralAntillesand put it on the wiki page19:31
GeneralAntillesThe wiki page goes, unpack, mount, modify, flash19:31
GeneralAntilleswe're missing the "repack" step.19:31
GeneralAntillesWhich is why I linked to the Maemo 2 documentation page19:31
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GeneralAntillesbut it would be better if the relevant parts of that page were just right there in the wiki.19:32
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qwerty12Hmm, I don't think that method on that maemo 2.2 page works anymore due to nokia moving the location of the files and just not updating those files. I have an line that I used to repack initfs, I'll go dig it up.19:32
GeneralAntillesPerfect. ;)19:33
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qwerty12mkfs.jffs2 -r <rootfs source folder> -o <output file> -e 128 -l -n19:35
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qwerty12(that line is only for the initfs, rootfs will require higher block size.19:35
qwerty12mtd-utils needs to be installed for that command to be available.19:35
GeneralAntillesAlright, turn that into a short how-to?19:36
ddenismelmoth: were you interested in upgrading g++? I've just compiled g++ 4.2.4 in diablo x86 scratchbox and it was straight-forward - just configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install19:36
qwerty12ddenis, You can already get cs2008 toolchain for scratchbox. I know gcc 4 is in there, not sure about g++ though.19:38
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I dunno, I never needed an how to, I'd just update my folder and run that command :)19:38
ddenisqwerty12: what is cs2008 and where can I get it? (...googles...)19:38
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GeneralAntillesWell, they're going to have to suffer with the outdated Maemo 2 page until you or somebody else adds up-to-date information. :P19:39
ddenisbut anyway I needed newer g++ only for x86 target since 3.4.4 don't link because of an link error (compiler bug)19:39
qwerty12Ah, ok :)19:39
ddenisbu anyway thanks :)19:39
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Heh, I never made a working rootfs anyway, I could get an initfs to work but thats it :)19:40
zaphmm, cool thing this localepurge. This should be ported to n8xx19:40
Atariiis there a way to flasher to an external card using the linux flasher tool?19:40
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, A cut down version of this: should do it for repacking19:42
qwerty12zap, it was done but now the page is gone :(19:42
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lbtHmmm I can't seem to use Gio::  - the include files don't appear to be present. Are they supposed to be or are they not yet ported?19:44
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timelessping, could someone19:47
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timelesstell me if there's a *tiny*mail*.so* in /usr/lib19:48
timelessor something like that?19:48
johnxone sec19:48
qwerty12yes, for me there is19:49
timelessperfect, thanks19:49
lbtlots of them19:49
timelessthe bug i can think of is mmx19:49
timelessoops, wrong window19:49
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GeneralAntillesWill the idiocy never stop?20:18
||cwno, no it won't.20:19
||cwnot sure it's a bad thing though, without idiots I wouldn't look so smart20:19
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gpddoes anyone have a mirror of the easy debian deb file?20:31
gpdie. <-- that is down20:32
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qwerty12Well, if someone does have a mirror, it won't help you as the image file will have to be downloaded again and that is on the same server20:33
gpdguess i'll have to do some work then - where is the fun in that!20:34
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skiburgot debian installed + KDE + clone diablo on a 4 GB SD card20:49
johnxsounds fun :D20:50
* johnx plays with upnp20:50
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skiburhum.. does icewm take long to start?20:54
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skiburall I see is a tree and the logo for debian20:54
johnxaaah, you're using the qole chroot debian20:54
johnxI don't know anything about it...20:54
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skiburopen office looks good20:54
johnxheh...your choice of course. I don't see any reason to use open office instead of abiword20:55
lardmanhmm, trying Android and I'm stuck on a screen asking if I want to Add an XMPP account20:55
lardmanis that usual?20:55
qwerty12_N800nope :p20:55
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skiburabiword is just fine20:56
skiburqwerty12, have u tried qole chroot debian?20:56
lardmanqwerty12_N800: is it very very slow?20:56
derfjohnx: Does abiword do presentations?20:57
derfThat's the only thing I actually use Open Office for.20:57
qwerty12_N800skibur, yep, but i had to reflash due to unrelated matter :)20:57
* Stskeeps wonders wtf his debian won't boot20:57
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qwerty12_N800lardman, can be, but i don't remember how much because i installed android onto a ext2 partition rather than using that loopfs :/20:58
lardmanah right20:59
johnxderf, I guess that's a the sticking point. I rarely have to touch ppts these days. When I do I just have render them since I'd only get them in email anyways20:59
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derfI don't care about viewing them. I have to _make_ them.21:01
johnxon a tablet?21:01
johnxthat sounds painful21:01
derfWell, it's painful in general.21:02
jotti use latex beamer for creating presentations21:02
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johnxs/painful/significantly more painful than necessary21:02
derfjott: I tried. After spending four hours fighting with LaTeX over positioning an image, I gave up.21:02
derfDon't get me wrong. I love LaTeX. Just not for that.21:03
jottderf: hah yeah you have to know latex foo but in the end it's really good21:03
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derfI've been using LaTeX for over a decade.21:03
Stskeepsjohnx: was there ever a proper battery meter hal thing for debian+21:03
johnxnot plugged into hal, no21:03
jottderf: esp. in combination with pgf/tikz21:04
Stskeepsi played a little with hald-addon-retu-adc or something21:04
johnxon OS2008 the battery stuff is done through dbus, but there is something called kcbatt21:04
Stskeepsbut need to package it21:04
johnxwhich looks at retu-adc values directly to gauge the battery level21:04
lcuk`/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device     :(21:04
derfjott: Right, those I have never needed to use.21:05
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, got kcbatt in tablet-powersave21:05
jottderf: yeah in the end it depends on *what* you want to show..21:05
qwerty12_N800lcuk, too much dev packages :P :(21:05
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jottjust photos or some graphs/diagrams etc.21:05
lcukneed moar though21:05
derfThe answer is, of course, both.21:05
jottso latex beamer is the way to go ;)21:06
jottwith nice graphs from pgf ;)21:06
johnxlcuk, boot from sd. You can't avoid it forever21:06
lcuki know john, would someone be kind enough to clone me to mmc whilst we are at the summit?21:06
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GeneralAntilleslcuk . . .21:06
johnxget me a ticket, I'll clone whatever you want21:06
lcuk(well, not all of me - i think one is enough)21:06
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lcukyer gen21:07
GeneralAntillesIt's very straightforward21:07
GeneralAntillesI script takes care of a lot of the heavy lifting. :P21:07
jottjohnx: tried to apply for a sponsorship?21:08
johnxnah, I was just kidding. I don't think I have much to add to a serious conference21:09
lcukGeneralAntilles, :) i actually tried to get all that sorted.  i nearly blew my device up trying last time and im lucky ive still got anything left.21:09
lcukfree beers to the generous bod who clones me to mmc and fixes my mmc2 corruption thing21:09
GeneralAntillesjohnx, people keep saying things like that.21:09
GeneralAntillesI don't buy it.21:09
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, partition the card, format the partitions, install fanoush's initfs, and copy over your install to the card.21:11
GeneralAntillesThe hard part is sfdisk21:11
GeneralAntillesEverything else is dead simple.21:11
lcukthanks, ill tell the person who does it for me  :D21:11
* johnx needs to look at cfdisk again21:11
* GeneralAntilles shakes his head.21:11
johnxI *hate* sfdisk21:11
qwerty12_N800lcuk, i think they would already know how :p21:11
jotthah first thing i did was to install plain fdisk21:12
lcukGeneralAntilles, i have much more interesting better more relivant things to do with my time than try to learn and understand a whole lot of incantations21:12
GeneralAntillesCan't it be invoked to use megabytes instead of cylinders?21:12
qwerty12_N800johnx, i've got cfdisk packaged from latest util-linux21:12
GeneralAntilleslcuk, there's no learning or understanding.21:12
GeneralAntillesIt's just doing.21:12
johnxyeah, how you can see fdisk and then end up making a partitioner that's less friendly is beyond me...21:12
GeneralAntillesIt takes 20 minutes21:12
GeneralAntilles10 of which are the tarring operation.21:12
johnxqwerty12_N800, awesome!21:12
lcukit took me nearly 2 days last time i tried gen. i know my limitations21:12
johnxlcuk, you have the funniest thoughts about your limitations. :)21:13
lcukindepth c hacking and making things go fast with recursive memory allocation.  CHECK.    command line chanting.  UH URGGGGGGGG21:13
qwerty12_N800johnx, :)21:13
GeneralAntillesYou're going to have to learn it at some point.21:14
johnxqwerty12_N800, how much did you have to edit the source package?21:14
lcukGeneralAntilles, so far ive been driving a car for 15 years, in that 15 years i have not learnt how to fix it21:14
jottthere shouldn't be much to do to get *fdisk running..21:14
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, package it up for Extras so we can switch the tutorial over to cfdisk?21:14
qwerty12_N800johnx, i just ripped out the parts that weren't compiling :/21:14
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jottmaybe get gparted running with gtk gui ;)21:15
lcukjohnx, i over analyse things21:15
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, I would do but it's a bit of an "unofficial" package, i repacked after compiling21:15
lcukanyway, i'll be back later21:15
ShadowJKthe car analogy fails because you're just driving your car, not tuning it up :P21:15
GeneralAntillesWe need something more workable than sfdisk21:15
qwerty12_N800util-linux is in extras but thanks to busybox, it wont install hence this package21:15
johnxlcuk, the car analogy would go something like. "I just build incredible performance parts...but I can't really drive one."21:16
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jotti guess gparted should be easy to compile..21:16
johnxthe gnome disk usage analyzer looks interesting to me as well21:17
ShadowJKjohnx, that reminds me of a TV show where they had a rocket scientist and some other academic people competing with eachother in performing a burnout :-)21:17
johnxShadowJK, :D21:17
lcukno johnx, i learn by example.  i try it, if it doesnt work, fine i start again.  with the mmc drives if i screw them up it takes a long time to rebuilld.  what is wrong with letting someone experienced in the motions from taking over and doing what they know and understand?21:17
lcuki dont want to be without a way to code for however long it will take to rebuild21:18
lardmanbasic question, why can't I mount an ext2 fs formatted sd card?21:18
GeneralAntilleslcuk, because it's a little sad. :P21:18
johnxlcuk, then the first thing you need to learn is how to make a good backup21:18
qwerty12_N800lardman, got modules inserted?21:18
johnxlcuk, and the reason is, is that like now it will limit what you can accomplish if you have to wait for someone else21:19
lardmanqwerty12_N800: I'm not allowed to insert it21:19
lcuknot at all - i was just trying to add an extra library.  like everything else ill just find an alternative that does do it21:19
lardmanqwerty12_N800: "insmod: cannot insert 'ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory"21:19
GeneralAntillesmbcache.ko first21:20
qwerty12_N800tried inserting mbcache.ko?21:20
qwerty12_N800ah, GA beat me :)21:20
lardmanah, good stuff21:20
johnxlardman, dmesg | tail will tell you those unknown symbols to give you a clue21:20
lardmanapologies, I've never needed to use ext2 on my tablet21:20
jottor use depmod and then insmod ;)21:20
jotterm modprobe21:20
lardmanah yes, dmesg shows the symbols, insmod/modprobe not so useful21:21
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lardman|supperI'll continue trying to install Android on that partition after food :)21:23
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qwerty12_N800lardman|supper, i just untarred this onto my ext2 partition in ubuntu : (same thing that's in the loopfs). and then just edited `which android.sh21:28
pupnikAve, morituri te salutant!21:28
qwerty12_N800lardman|supper,  ` to say /dev/mmcblo etc21:28
GeneralAntillesHi, pupnik.21:29
pupnikHail GeneralAntilles21:29
pupnikhow goes the battle?21:29
GeneralAntillesWhich one? :P21:30
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tank-man100$ mail in rebate for eee900 out :)21:31
GeneralAntillesEw Eee21:31
GeneralAntillesIt's amazing how little time it took for Asus to completely dilute the brand.21:31
pupniki laff that they apparently gave up on the atom21:31
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johnxpupnik, hmm? what do you mean?21:33
jotti thought the 901 had an atom?21:33
pupnikoh then i am misremembering21:33
johnxthey gave up on linux and small sized, cheap laptops though :/21:34
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pupnikthe eee ships with winbblows now?21:34
johnxin a lot of configurations21:34
johnxthey're definitely not pushing linux like before21:34
Avepupnik: what you say?21:34
jottwoot, finally an nearly perfect clone of the volume/brightness(+rotation) thing:
johnxjott, hot sauce!21:35
pupniknot interested in eee so much.  but it might be a nice momputer21:35
johnxrm_you, PIIING!21:35
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johnxpupnik, was thinking the same thing. I was really looking forward to the future of <$300 laptops too21:35
jottneeds some little clean ups, and maybe some parts from rm_you's code..21:36
Stskeepsto get cfdisk - get libslang2 from debian armel, dpkg --force-depends -i it, get util-linux armel deb, mkdir -p deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -e util-linux.deb deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -x util-linux.deb deb, deb/sbin/cfdisk (
jottbut works nice and coherent as it seems21:36
johnxjott, also, a mute button would be nice21:36
qwerty12_N800jott, wow. anyways, i released those ported android patches21:36
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jottjohnx: hm? just press on the speaker to mute? or what do you mean?21:36
GeneralAntillesThe little speaker is mute.21:37
johnxjott, sorry, I somehow completely missed it O_o21:37
* johnx should sleep soon21:37
GeneralAntillesHrm, jott, think that might be merged with adv-backlight?21:37
jottGeneralAntilles: yeah, wonder which parts are needed from it but would make sense to take them..21:38
jottbtw: i also traced down dsme so it's actually using dsme system calls instead of running the dsmetest program21:38
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qwerty12_N800ooh, nice, how did you wangle that?21:39
jottsome reading of old nokia code and poking around with ginspector21:40
jottbasically there are two tricks involved, first setting the right windowname and second grabbing the mouse and keyboard globally21:41
GeneralAntillesDefinitely doesn't serve anybody to have two projects.21:41
jottso it will close when clicked outside of the menu21:41
qwerty12_N800thanks, i'm always intrested in these sorts of things :)21:41
GeneralAntillesRotation part is pretty hot.21:41
jottGeneralAntilles: yeah actually it grew from my rotation plugin codebase ;)21:41
jottGeneralAntilles: the icons rotate with it21:42
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jottso it will actually always show the right physical orientation21:42
* GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you.21:42
jottso some cleaning and i'll put the source some place21:42
johnxGeneralAntilles, yeah, that's why I pinged him earlier, but it's pretty early for him21:43
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GeneralAntillesHe's on the west coast these days, isn't he?21:43
lcukjott, your rotation is gaining lots of praise :) well done and thank you for doing such a thing21:43
GeneralAntillesWhat's with his sleeping schedule. . . .21:43
johnxyeah, but he still keeps an rm_you schedule21:43
johnxhe seems close to JST if that helps21:43
pupnikrotation of what jott?  the whole xserver and hildon ui?21:46
pupnikoh it's been worked-on .. nice jott21:47
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jottpupnik: yeah just finally managed to get the status bar menu like the closed nokia ones..21:48
pupniki don't... do...21:49
pupnikdo you make your own theme for that then?21:49
GeneralAntillesjott, I believe rm_you may owe you $20. ;)21:49
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jottpupnik: let's see i'll wait for rm_you and see how we can join forces21:49
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pupniki can understand the lcd controller rotating, i don't see how hildon can theme for the different aspect ratio21:50
lcukjott, the only downside to joining up with rm_you is you have to keep the same sleep pattern as him21:50
lcukpupnik, 225dpi whether its 800*480 or 480*0021:51
GeneralAntillesjott, has the rotation stuff on your site be updated for Diablo?21:51
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: jott, has the rotation stuff on your site been updated for Diablo?21:51
pupnikyes but the last time i looked at themes, they were hardcoded for 800x48021:51
jottlcuk: heh well as long as we are each awake more than 12 hours in a row chances are pretty high we find some intersection ;)21:51
jottGeneralAntilles: no.. good point21:52
lcukjott, dont be too sure, i personally think rm_you is actually on the ISS21:52
jottGeneralAntilles: maybe link to qwerty12_N800 deb?21:52
GeneralAntillesAlso, osso-software-version-unlocked should solve any osso-software-version versioning issues.21:52
jottlcuk: in a cryogenic sleep phase? ,)21:52
jottGeneralAntilles: yep..21:52
GeneralAntilleslol, qwerty12_N800, rapidshare. . . .21:53
GeneralAntillesYou should start a garage project or something. :P21:53
lcukyup, jott - is there no way this rotation thing can be done as an insmod instead of a whole new kernel?21:53
jottor just push the kernel in extras ;)21:53
GeneralAntilles"qwerty12's Bazaar of Crap"21:53
qwerty12_N800Meh, it's not my work to start a garage project on.21:54
GeneralAntillesWish flash-and-reboot has some more useful options.21:54
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Wish flash-and-reboot had some more useful options.21:54
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, - "of Crap"21:54
GeneralAntilles"Bazaar of Assorted Insanity"21:54
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qwerty12_N800thats more like like it :p21:54
GeneralAntillesHrm, who thinks I should file an enhancement request for a more useful flash-and-reboot?21:55
jotthm GeneralAntilles what do you want to do with it?21:55
qwerty12_N800GeneralAntilles, it's a script that calls fiasco-flasher, all the options you need are there ;)21:55
GeneralAntillesAh, right then.21:55
jottyeah with fiasco-flasher on the device the community kernel flashing could really be improved21:57
johnxyay, community flashing! woo!21:57
jottwooo group flashing!21:57
* GeneralAntilles flashes johnx . . .21:57
* johnx kries21:57
GeneralAntilles. . . 's zaurus with a virus.21:58
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qwerty12_N800nokia's flashing packages in the public repo suck balls. i had to repack the one from the diablo update repo and update md5sum.21:58
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Atariiloosing my usb card-reader somewhere in the house sucks more :(21:59
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, one problem with running flash-and-reboot is that it'll overwrite the initfs.21:59
jottyeah just call fiasco-flasher -k directly..21:59
GeneralAntillesAssuming there's an initfs image waiting in the pipeline.21:59
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qwerty12_N800I just made that deb using nokia standards :)22:00
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qwerty12_N800maybe next time, i'll just use fiasco-flasher from postinst22:00
lardmancheers qwerty12_N80022:00
qwerty12_N800np lardman22:01
jotthm i wonder why they did not compile the fiasco-flasher for the initfs, this would allow some neat menu based kernel switching22:01
qwerty12_N800i'd rather see kexec22:01
GeneralAntillesfanoush has been working on that22:02
jottqwerty12_N800: yeah have you actually tried kexec?22:02
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qwerty12_N800jott, never had a reason to on my desktop, but i'd like it on a tablet.22:03
qwerty12_N800i don't see the point in reflashing kernel all the time.22:03
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johnxwow...Nokia's definitely been messing around with icd it seems22:10
GeneralAntillesWiMAX and whatnot.22:11
GeneralAntillesHopefully they push an update to fix it at some point.22:11
johnxfinally getting around to scripting some events to happen on connect to an AP22:12
qwerty12_N800dunno why they closed it, osso-ic is oss iirc22:12
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GeneralAntillesWiMAX, maybe.22:13
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qwerty12_N800~lart hildon-desktop. brb22:14
* infobot steals hildon-desktop. brb's mojo22:14
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zapWhat is osso-software-version-34 ?22:16
zapAnd how it's different from osso-software-version-rx44?22:17
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GeneralAntillesEr, N800 and N810. . . .22:17
qwerty12_N800different tablets, different help files etc22:17
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zapso I can't make a package depend on osso-software-rx44-unlocked22:18
zapsince it won't work on n80022:18
jottyou can or dependencies22:18
jottosso-software-rx44-unlocked | osso-software-rx34-unlocked22:18
zapand what if neither is installed ?22:18
GeneralAntillesBetter throw rx48 in there for future proofing.22:18
fnordianslippersit does work as i've installed it22:18
qwerty12_N800zap, just use the control file from the nokia libfreetype...22:19
zapqwerty12_N800: that would suck :)22:19
qwerty12_N800works for me :p :)22:19
zapbesides, osso is a registered trademark of nokia, as far as I understand22:19
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GeneralAntillesEr, what does that have to do with anything?22:20
GeneralAntillesand it most definitely isn't a Nokia trademark22:20
GeneralAntillesOSSO doesn't even exist anymore.22:21
Tobathen why is it still in maemo?22:21
Tobaseems odd22:21
zapwell, Nokia discourages usage of the word osso in 3rd party packages22:21
GeneralAntillesToba, because packages don't get renamed over night.22:21
TobaI guess so.22:21
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GeneralAntillesIt's frequently disruptive to rename a package for the sake of renaming a package.22:22
GeneralAntillesOSSO is Maemo Software now.22:22
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zapwell in any case it would be bad to use the same name for a changed package22:24
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lcuk2freenode is like a bucking bronco tonight22:26
GeneralAntillesWorking fine here.22:26
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lcuk2heh GeneralAntilles, localised then, maybe some workmen are actually doing stuff here22:28
hellwolfwhere is lcuk322:28
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hellwolfwhat a good prediction22:33
jottand lcuk4? ;)22:33
aquatixdon't stretch it ;)22:34
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GeneralAntillesWhat about lcuk^2?22:36
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lcuk3told you22:40
lardmanhmm, I can't find an installation file for AndroidScan22:40
lardmanhi lcukN22:41
lcuk3lol hi22:41
lardmanprobably better :)22:41
lcuk3~lart virgin22:42
* infobot flings poo at virgin22:42
qwerty12_N800heh, i forgot ntl is now virgin22:42
lcuk3oooops, thats no way to get me laid22:42
lcuk3~lart the ISP formally known as NTL22:42
* infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on the ISP formally known as NTL22:42
hellwolfnaughty bot22:43
pupnikhey btw if you can use Qwest for phone/internet - do it!22:44
qwerty12_N800infobot, hellwolf will spank you22:44
jottqwerty12_N800: how far is android m5 on the tablets?22:44
GeneralAntillesI bet he has a module for that.22:44
GeneralAntilles~spank hellwolf22:44
* infobot bends hellwolf over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on hellwolf's pasty white buttocks.22:44
GeneralAntillesWhat'd I say? :P22:45
qwerty12_N800jott, very far :). it will run, but slowly due to epson's shit.22:45
lardmanqwerty12_N800: it runs ok, when installed on ext222:45
lardmanit's pretty, but not much by way of apps22:46
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lardmanI had hoped to try out AndroidScan22:46
lardmanwhich is supposed to be available somewhere but I've no idea where22:47
qwerty12_N800would the camera have worked anyway?22:48
lardmanNo idea, but I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about before trying to roll my own22:49
lardmanthose Android apps are cool, but most of the cool ones rely upon servers doing this and that to provide data22:50
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lardmanthe map related ones are good, but no reason we could have the same22:50
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: any harm in leaving your latest Android kernel, or should I flash back?22:51
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qwerty12_N800lardman, if you are using the one in the installer, be best to flash back22:51
lardmannah, your one which was in the separate thread22:51
qwerty12_N800oh, sorry22:52
qwerty12_N800hmm, afaict no harm, but there's no point in keeping it on there if you aren't using android :)22:52
lardmanjust saves me rebooting ;)22:53
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lardmanah well, I'll reflash it22:53
lcuk3(with increasing numerics)22:53
* qwerty12_N800 short circuits lcuk322:54
lardmanNokia, give us a camera on the back of the tablet, please22:54
qwerty12_N800lardman, it has same syntax as flasher :)22:54
lcuk3no disassemble number 322:54
lardmanqwerty12_N800: I'll just use the deb which was in the original thread?22:54
qwerty12_N800hmm, yes, that could work too :p22:55
lcuk3lardman, you could setup some kind of borg webcam doofer on your head22:55
lardmansod that, I just want some cool apps22:56
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lardmanI like the services ideas these Android apps use, lots of cool backend services to provide useful data, etc22:57
* qwerty12_N800 just wants opengl. i don't give a shit about the speed, 2fps with soft rendering isn't fast.22:57
lardmanhmm, can the kernel be replaced while Linux is running?22:57
lcuk3but backend servers implies online all the time.  battery drainage.  of course when online they work well22:57
lardmanapparently so22:57
lardmanlcuk3: well we can always cache data for an area22:58
lcuk3im thinking of more than just maps22:58
lardmanI agree22:58
lardmanhopefully free wifi will dawn on the world eventually22:58
lardmanin the meantime I may have to get a data plan for my phone22:58
lcuk3but thats not totally free, it drains battery22:58
qwerty12_N800until then, kismet + aircrack22:59
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aquatixqwerty12_N800: ftw!23:00
lardmanyeah, well I can live with charging every day or so23:00
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lardman(though atm I only charge every fortnight or so)23:00
lardmansomething like that anyway23:01
lcuk3i charge every night, but battery doesnt move from when i goto bed to home after work23:01
lardmancome on people, write some cool apps: ;)23:01
lcuk3:) shall even solve that problem soon enough as well23:01
lcuk3android uses x11 and has xv available doesnt it? ;)23:02
pupnikbtw lardman is your nick unregistered or am i on ignore?23:02
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qwerty12_N800lcuk3, no, direct access to framebuffa23:02
lardmanah no, I'm just crap, hang on a tick23:02
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lcukqwerty12_N800, direct access to every single framebuffer on compatible phones?23:03
lcukyou would have thought some kind of slight abstraction would take place, maybe by making different framebuffers into some sort of library format ;)23:03
qwerty12_N800no idea, but it doesn't use x11 for sure (atm anyway, no idea if it ever will)23:03
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lcukfair enough, so you will never run anything none android on the android kernel without serious undertakings23:04
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gourdinwhy is the zoom so slow ? how does the iphone/ipod touch do?23:32
jottgourdin: 3d acceleration23:33
jott(or the lack of)23:33
gourdinn8x0 got nothing ?23:33
jottjust no drivers..23:33
qwerty12we got something we cant use.23:33
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GeneralAntillesZoom isn't all that fast on the iTouch, either.23:34
gourdinhu ??23:34
qwerty12as a bonus we have a crappy lcd controller.23:34
jottand ofcourse the iphone has a much lower resolution23:34
RaytrayThough zoom is pretty cool on the itouch23:34
gourdinwe got something we can't use ???23:34
gourdinwhy is that ?23:34
jottgourdin: ask nokia23:34
gourdinthey don't give the driver ?23:35
GeneralAntillesIt just SEEMS fast because it roughs the render before actually redrawing everything completely.23:35
GeneralAntillesgourdin, the drivers suck.23:35
GeneralAntillesCrashy drivers23:35
gourdinnokia working on this for sure (?)23:36
gourdinthat's weird23:36
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zapGeneralAntilles: where I can see the crashy drivers23:36
GeneralAntillesCall up Nokia and ask them to give you a copy.23:36
zapthis is a joke I suppose23:37
zapthere aren't even crash drivers, unfortunately23:37
GeneralAntillesIn order for Nokia to distribute the drivers, they have to buy licenses for each device shipped.23:37
GeneralAntillesThe drivers suck ass23:37
qwerty12the powervr on the n8*0 is a joke too.23:37
GeneralAntillesso they decided not to buy licenses for crappy drivers.23:37
jottGeneralAntilles: erm where did you get that info?23:37
GeneralAntillesjott, that's the word from LinuxTag23:37
jottnot really...23:37
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gourdinhey, i give lot of money for this device23:38
JamieBennettMmm, not so sure on that GeneralAntilles23:38
GeneralAntillesgourdin, and you didn't pay for any 3d hardware.23:38
gourdinho, you think23:38
JamieBennettI don't think that the drivers are that sucky23:38
GeneralAntillesDid it say "OpenGL support" on the box?23:38
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, have you tried them?23:38
GeneralAntillesThen you didn't pay for them.23:38
gourdinit says a lot of thing23:38
jottit said omap in the specs ;)23:38
qwerty12crappy drivers or not, i'd still like to see them. cant be  worse then 2fps soft rendering.23:39
GeneralAntillesSure, I would, too.23:39
zapqwerty12: actually it can23:39
zapif it crashes and burn your flash out ;)23:39
gourdinthis is a bad experience23:39
GeneralAntillesSell it and get an iPhone23:39
GeneralAntillesI'm really bored with the moaning.23:40
lcukwho says this device is slow?23:40
qwerty12zap, meh, flash is gonna get burned out anyway.23:40
* lcuk doesnt think it is23:40
jottlcuk: "slow" is relative ...23:40
JamieBennettThe platform will never been open as long as the hardware vendors have a Draconian attitude to intellectual properties. We have a great Linux platform that you can put in your pocket, why the fuss?23:40
zapqwerty12: actually yes, I wonder how many weeks it will resist my attacks23:40
* qwerty12 thinks it's decent for what it's marked for23:40
gourdinGeneralAntilles: you are bored, i was abused23:41
qwerty12(speed wise)23:41
GeneralAntillesgourdin, take it up with your local consumer protection body.23:41
lcukjott, agreed - normal maemo out of the box experience was shocking, but i know it can be improved23:41
lcukhow much and for how long is as you say relative23:41
gourdinGeneralAntilles: that's the last thing i want to do23:41
zapactually I haven't seen anybody who wouldn't want to get more than he paid for23:41
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lcukmind you, im doing what i want on the device no matter what23:41
gourdinfirst, i try tech support23:42
GeneralAntillesYeah, this isn't tech support.23:42
jottlcuk: that's the attitude ;)23:42
qwerty12lcuk, is cloning one of them? :p23:42
lcuk:) yer jott the challenge for me is not the final product, but what i learn along the way (as long as it doesnt cause me to corrupt and reflash ;))23:42
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: Thats not the spirit :)23:42
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, all he's done for the past month is moan and complain in here.23:43
GeneralAntillesI'm a little tired of it myself. ;)23:43
lcukqwerty12, i would jump all over it if i had a spare device23:43
JamieBennettA lot of people complain because they don't understand the platform, maybe more education is needed for potential buyers?23:43
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, believe me, I've tried.23:44
qwerty12lcuk, i messed up my first clone but i kept trying and i got it to work :). i didn't know nothing about linux then :)23:44
lcukyer qwerty, but now i use this as a tool, its not a toy that i can just reflash and go mehhh on23:44
lcuki just want to save self hassle23:44
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: then it's a catch 22 situation. We want more users so Nokia take it seriously as a platform but unfortunately the majority of the population is not tech savvy :(23:45
GeneralAntilleslcuk, get you work partition set up on the card, then you can reflash the internal flash as often as you like. ;)23:45
jottlcuk: if you would switch to full framebuffer based drawing you could run your liqbase from initfs ;)23:45
lcukJamieBennett, the audience has changed. iphone *did* do something remarkable and gave a very flashy ui.  without that this device can crawl at times23:45
JamieBennettlcuk: The iphone changed the playing field. I don't see why a Linux based device can't either23:46
lcukjott i considered that, but using xv library has been a blessing really23:46
lcukJamieBennett, i agree. have you seen liqbase23:46
lcukthis device *can* work very fast23:46
gourdinnot just a flashy uim23:47
jott atleast the iphone finally made the vendors consider using gl/composition in theier uis.. :)23:47
GeneralAntillesOMAP3 is where we should be looking23:47
gourdiniphone do less things , but it just work23:47
lcukfuture i 100% agree gen23:47
jottyeah omap3 hopefully with drivers ..23:47
GeneralAntillesgourdin, Mobile Safari crashes all the time.23:47
gourdinas every apple product23:47
jottthough hildon will not take advantage of them..23:47
GeneralAntillesgourdin, do you _use_ Apple products?23:47
gourdinGeneralAntilles: yep23:48
gourdinit just work23:48
lcukiphone uses lower resolution - the framebuffer in this device can display images that fast23:48
lcukat same resolution23:48
GeneralAntillesMy primary machine is a G5, and I've been using Apple stuff for the past 15 years. No, Apple doesn't doesn't always "just work".23:48
JamieBennettomap3 today, opmap4 tomorrow e.t.c, unfortunately apple (and I pretty much despise apple as a company) have a great handle on what the consumer is expecting from a UI point of view23:48
gourdinof course safary crash sometime, but the overall user experience is nice23:48
qwerty12has anyone ever tried editing x-server.defs to start in lower res? :p23:48
lcukqwerty12, :)23:49
JamieBennett(hardware besides)23:49
gourdinJamieBennett: i agree23:49
lcuk640*480 changes maximum framerate from 25fps to 33fps.  there is a marked improvement and bandwidth/cpu boost available for other things23:49
qwerty12lcuk, i'll remind myself to do it ; next time i'm due a reflash :)23:50
lcukcool, you need something which can take notes quickly to help remember ;)23:50
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qwerty12you should make a deb with an desktop file in it :)23:51
gourdinn8x0 is a pretty nice piece, but at alpha stage23:51
lcukyer looks like im heading that way23:51
gourdin(my opinion)23:51
lcukgourdin, :) for me as a developer. its perfect.  like buying a fixer upper house23:52
JamieBennettlcuk: looking at your utube video on liqbase. Any more information?23:52
zapI wouldnt call that alpha stage23:52
GeneralAntillesAlpha by Google's definition, maybe.23:52
lcukyes JamieBennett follow the link on youtube info, theres now discussion on itt and source is in the garage23:52
JamieBennettlcuk: Not everyone is good at DIY and I think that is the point23:52
gourdinwhat's google definition23:52
gourdinfor example23:53
lcuktotally agree JamieBennett23:53
gourdinopen youtube with this thing23:53
lcukgourdin, yes i wouldnt expect my mum to be happy to have one23:53
gourdinlcuk: exact23:53
gourdin'users' can't use it23:53
GeneralAntillesEh, my sister's happy with hers23:53
GeneralAntillesI don't buy that23:53
lcukGeneralAntilles, are you my uncle?23:54
lbtsorry to drag the tone down but........if I create an Action and use a sigc::mem_fun(*myobj....) is *myobj evaluated at action-event time or embedded in a table somewhere? (myobj changes from time-to-time as I reload data - do I need to recreate or indirect my actions?)23:54
GeneralAntillesShe certainly doesn't have a lot of technical acumen.23:54
GeneralAntillesThere's plenty of "users" on itT happy with their devices.23:54
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timelyxGeneralAntilles: how goes maemo?23:54
lcuklbt, the object is destroyed and recreated, or just data within changes?23:54
lcukthen i would expect anything hanging onto it to be invalidated (and changes are your destroy wont run until everything released anyway)23:55
GeneralAntillestimelyx, I did most of the work on the wiki page of the day . . . again. <_<23:55
lcukand chances are ^23:55
lcukGeneralAntilles, im gonna mail you a beer from the summit23:56
lcukyou have been amazing as usual :)23:56
GeneralAntillesFind some people interested in helping improve a wiki instead. :P23:56
lcuklol, but noone understands the strange wiki language unlike you23:56
JamieBennettI worry that the eeepc crowd now know about Linux (which is great) but expect a noddy type interface which only something like canola provides for the IT's. Lots of potential that could be tapped. The other thing is that Nokia is going through a transition stage with QT which despite what anyone says is going to be a big disruption to not only developers.23:56
JamieBennettlcuk: you not going to the summit?23:57
lbtthanks lcuk :)23:57
* lbt wanders off and makes a note to hit the wiki again soon23:57
lcuk:) lol23:57
GeneralAntillesFun fact, mailing a beer to me in the states is a felony. :D23:57
lcukJamieBennett, yes i have been accepted and should have some nice things to show and tell23:57
JamieBennettCool, see you there!23:58
lcukyer - its gonna be good23:58
* lcuk hopes he remembers his pe kit23:58
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, But it was for medicinal purposes!23:58
GeneralAntillesThat only applies to marijuana23:58
JamieBennettlol, I think its going to be a close n23:58
GeneralAntillesand not in FL. :P23:58
JamieBennett... knit event and pretty fun23:59
lcukwell, it is a NIT event23:59

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