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| Jaffa | Hmm. Trying to add an icon for my vim.desktop entry in the extras menu and instead of showing the icon, it's displaying a smaller version of the generic-app icon. Anyone seen that before? | 00:01 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, what's the size (pixel wise) of the icon? | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | Does it do any scaling or does it have to be exact? | 00:10 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm looking at the skype-installer package, it has a 64x64 icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/skype.png and a 24x24 in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/skype.png. the menu item choses to display the 64x64 one and it does so successfully. | 00:13 |
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| Jaffa | ta. I was looking at mplayer and had no success copying it | 00:16 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, no luck. Of course, the PNG file could be broken | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't mean to act noob, but was gtk icon cache updated? | 00:19 |
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| Jaffa | Think so. I'll double check | 00:20 |
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| Jaffa | Aha, --force seems to have done something. Not the right something, but /something/ | 00:24 |
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| lardman | bmidgley: ping | 00:27 |
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| mgedmin | windy here ... | 00:28 |
| lardman | or indeed is there anyone about who is familiar with fixed point arithmetic? | 00:28 |
| Atarii | so does diablo fix the red pill bug in application manager, where you cant read the names? | 00:28 |
| Veggen | yes. | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | lardman: I about know what it is | 00:28 |
| mgedmin | not sure if that counts as 'familiar' | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | arithmetic? | 00:28 |
| * qwerty12_N800 runs | 00:28 | |
| * Jaffa is a little familiar | 00:29 | |
| lardman | mgedmin: I'm just wondering whether to keep the denominator factors(?) and left shift them all off at the end, or to do so after each multiply | 00:29 |
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| Atarii | who was it that recompiled the applicaiton manager and removed the warning message? | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | me, but it needs updating for the latest version | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | lardman: wouldn't that risk overflow? | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | also, left shift? not right shift? | 00:31 |
| lardman | mgedmin: yes on both counts | 00:31 |
| Atarii | qwerty12_N800 would you think the diablo app-man would work in chinook? | 00:31 |
| lardman | should be dividing/right shifting after the multiply | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, maybe after a lot of compiles. the diablo one uses newer apt. | 00:32 |
| Atarii | ah right | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I once had it working in chinook using old apt and result was a bit ugly :/ | 00:33 |
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| Atarii | well i guess this is a good place to start developing, gives me a goal to aim for | 00:34 |
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| m-vo | Atarii, if you just want to get rid of the legal notice dialog, hack the AM version in chinook. | 00:35 |
| m-vo | The sources are all there. | 00:35 |
| Atarii | i want to fix the names thing mostly | 00:36 |
| m-vo | ahh, you mean where long versions truncate the names? | 00:37 |
| Atarii | but good idea, ill start with the legal notice, as qwerty can give advice if i go wrong :p | 00:37 |
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| lbt | is gio in diablo? | 00:37 |
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| m-vo | Atarii, the package list is now done with a Cairo cell renderer, but the code around it has not changed much. | 00:38 |
| m-vo | I think we even have it ifdeffed nicely so that you can see the changes | 00:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, just out of question, using osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked wouldn't affect ssu would it? | 00:41 |
| m-vo | no, you will still get the updates | 00:42 |
| m-vo | the difference between the normal and the -unlocked package is only the style of dependencies: -unlocked uses >=. | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah! oh, thank you | 00:43 |
| m-vo | Thus you get at least the official versions, but you can have higher ones. | 00:43 |
| mgedmin | cool | 00:45 |
| mgedmin | where do you get the -unlocked one? | 00:45 |
| m-vo | from the "Nokia System Sofware Updates" repository. | 00:45 |
| mgedmin | double cool! | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, i remember good times with that repo... | 00:46 |
| m-vo | it's still there, we just don't update it everz week anymore. | 00:47 |
| m-vo | (obviously) | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | just out of question, how come ftd + nitro + sp-oops-extract was removed after adding the password? | 00:48 |
| m-vo | qwerty12_N800, if you spread the information about -unlocked: there are two packages, one for N800 (rx34) and one for N810 (rx44). People need to pick the right one. | 00:48 |
| m-vo | qwerty12_N800, it was a mistake that they were there in the first place. | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, this was already spread when people were trying to install beta diablo :p :) | 00:49 |
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| m-vo | Two mistakes happened with perfect timing: the password wasn't installed, and a internal variant of the OS that we use for testing was released to the 'public' repo. | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | m-vo, cannot deny I benefited from it. i stiill use ftd in the officialy released diablo | 00:50 |
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| m-vo | The second was my mistake, so I am happy that you benefit! :) | 00:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | :) . if you can say this, was a fixed ftd-plugin-bme ever distrobuted? | 00:54 |
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| m-vo | no clue, sorry. | 00:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh night, thank you for all the answers | 00:59 |
| m-vo | np! | 00:59 |
| Toba | thank you for all the questions. | 00:59 |
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| m-c | thank you qwerty12_N800 :) | 01:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | m-c, np, but I forgot why :) | 01:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, with your scaled integers, have you chosen a fudge factor yet? did you identify the required domain | 01:13 |
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| lardman | lcuk: not especially, I think I'll just use Q15 for the floating point stuff | 01:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: then the DSP will be happy doing 16x16bit->32bit multiplies | 01:17 |
| lcuk | it will, and you should shift back down after each multiply operation | 01:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: DSP also does that | 01:18 |
| lcuk | this is unfortunately where the error ends up | 01:18 |
| lcuk | dsp does shift, or full automatic scaled integer math? | 01:18 |
| lardman | dsp will do Q15 x Q15 with a shift | 01:19 |
| lardman | in a single intrinsic | 01:19 |
| lcuk | nice | 01:19 |
| lardman | so will stick with that and see what the error is like | 01:19 |
| lardman | it also does saturation in the above multiply | 01:19 |
| lcuk | for years and years i was used to using fixed point math to do fractal calculations | 01:20 |
| lcuk | you get "near enough" for most cases | 01:20 |
| lardman | I've never had to think about it before :) | 01:20 |
| lardman | it's simple, until you start thinking about the errors (but then floating point has the same problems) | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | what's Q15? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | yer, it took me a while reading the fractint code and book | 01:21 |
| lcuk | 15 fractional bits | 01:21 |
| lardman | mgedmin: fixed point format, Q15 = fp * 2^15 | 01:21 |
| mgedmin | what does the 'Q' stand for in the name? | 01:22 |
| lardman | s/Q15 = fp * 2^15/Q15 = round(fp * 2^15) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | wikipedia doesnt know it just says the "Q" prefix | 01:22 |
| * mgedmin last saw fixed point formats like 16.16 or 8.24 | 01:22 | |
| lardman | mgedmin: yeah same thing, it's Q0.15 | 01:23 |
| lcuk | actually, it does :D theres a whole article on it | 01:23 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_%28number_format%29 | 01:23 |
| mgedmin | surely 1.15? | 01:23 |
| mgedmin | no | 01:23 |
| mgedmin | hm | 01:23 |
| mgedmin | what happens to the bit that's left over? | 01:24 |
| lardman | no, Q15 = Q0.15 | 01:24 |
| lardman | sign bit | 01:24 |
| lardman | I think | 01:24 |
| mgedmin | doh! | 01:24 |
| lcuk | thats why its not q16 | 01:24 |
| lardman | Still doesn't say why it;s called 'Q' :) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru565b/spru565b.pdf | 01:26 |
| lcuk | appendix a2 specifies the Q format used on your dsp | 01:27 |
| Mousey | crap | 01:27 |
| lcuk | if its ours | 01:27 |
| Mousey | what was it that had all the checkboxes for the LED notification? | 01:27 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, ours is c55 | 01:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, the display control panel | 01:28 |
| Mousey | ty | 01:28 |
| lardman | lcuk: No issues with the Q format though; just why the Q? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | lardman :) close enough then: the q format appears to hjave come from ti though as a descriptor for the shifted format. still no idea as to where it came from | 01:29 |
| lcuk | or rather why.. | 01:29 |
| lardman | quotient perhaps | 01:29 |
| lardman | anyway, bed time, will have to pre-process the coefficient tables tomorrow and see if the code runs :) | 01:30 |
| lardman | well it will run, see if it spits out the right noises :D | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, :P thanks, ill package the next one | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, even a tar wouldnt help folks copying to mmc | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | True, but then, that's their fault :p | 01:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ultimate way is to make a deb but i'd say that's premature for a test version of a program :) | 01:34 |
| mgedmin | not necessarily | 01:34 |
| lcuk | my thoughts exactly | 01:34 |
| lcuk | does it run ok on peoples computers by the way | 01:34 |
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| Mousey | so now diablo doesn't do the wonderful thing with the mail icon anymore? =( | 02:48 |
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| Grackle_ | When I try to install openssh-server (or openssh-anything), I get the error "Unable to install openssh-server," before it even starts downloading. Any idea why this happens? | 05:23 |
| Grackle_ | That's in chinook, by the way. | 05:23 |
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| Grackle_ | Oh, can anyone share with me the repositories used in the maemo sdk vmware appliance? | 05:26 |
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| Grackle_ | oh yay it works in diablo | 05:35 |
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| Grackle_ | Well, I think it works. I don't remember key generation taking this long. | 05:37 |
| Grackle_ | Ah, there we go. | 05:37 |
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| Grackle_ | Niice. It has tar. And tar works. | 05:56 |
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| Grackle_ | Yay. *makes gforth on his N800* | 06:06 |
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| * GeneralAntilles makes a note about osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked. | 06:18 | |
| Navi | woo | 06:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Probably somebody needs to get on this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21496 :\ | 06:25 |
| EruditeHermit | hey, so does android work with n800 touchscreen? | 06:25 |
| Navi | Mmm | 06:28 |
| Navi | Whenever someone sees the N800, they think it's a phone :/ | 06:29 |
| EruditeHermit | no there is an android port | 06:31 |
| EruditeHermit | for it that PB worked on | 06:32 |
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| Navi | Nah, I wasn't saying anything in relation to what you said | 06:38 |
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| nn800n | wait it's not a phone?! | 06:52 |
| nn800n | that's be a good wallpaper | 06:52 |
| nn800n | NOT A PHONE | 06:52 |
| nn800n | giant letters | 06:53 |
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| skibur | what is the pc version of numptyphysics? | 07:38 |
| jacques_ | same I think | 07:38 |
| jacques_ | I compiled it on my laptop the other day | 07:38 |
| Navi | ??? | 07:39 |
| jacques_ | oh, do you mean windows version? | 07:39 |
| skibur | ? | 07:39 |
| skibur | no for linux | 07:39 |
| jacques_ | ok, I compiled the source on my laptop and it works | 07:40 |
| skibur | from here? http://thpinfo.com/2008/numptyphysics/ | 07:41 |
| jacques_ | I checked out the svn tree | 07:42 |
| jacques_ | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638 | 07:42 |
| skibur | o ok | 07:43 |
| skibur | thanks | 07:43 |
| * skibur is giving ubuntu a try | 07:45 | |
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| skibur | what did you do to compile it? | 07:57 |
| skibur | make? | 07:57 |
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| Kyrubas | So out of curiosity, has anyone here gotten python2.5 working on Diablo | 08:20 |
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| johnx | yes, I think so. it's a canola2 dependency, isn't it? | 08:20 |
| johnx | yup, installed and working here | 08:21 |
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| Kyrubas | it's a dependency for many things | 08:24 |
| Kyrubas | hmm, I'm begining to think this shouldn't be as troublesome as it is being | 08:24 |
| Kyrubas | If you don't mind me asking, how did you get it to install? | 08:24 |
| johnx | I enabled maemo Extras, set the distribution field to chinook and installed canola2 | 08:24 |
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| skibur | Works for me too | 08:28 |
| Kyrubas | ah, ok, I remember going to that section, but I didn't set the field to chinook when I did | 08:29 |
| Kyrubas | but now that that is done, it might work for me now | 08:30 |
| johnx | or you can just run apt-get install python2.5 as root | 08:30 |
| Kyrubas | oddly enough that was the first thing I tried and it failed on me :/ | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Failed" how? | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try an "apt-get -f install"? | 08:34 |
| Sargun | I need openssh for Diablo | 08:37 |
| johnx | just use the one for chinook | 08:37 |
| skibur | openssh on diablo works for me too | 08:38 |
| skibur | easiest way to get root | 08:38 |
| skibur | :P | 08:38 |
| johnx | ah, is openssh in diablo extras now? | 08:38 |
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| skibur | yes | 08:38 |
| johnx | neat | 08:38 |
| johnx | nevermind my earlier comment then :) | 08:38 |
| skibur | :P | 08:38 |
| skibur | later | 08:39 |
| skibur | need to go to bed | 08:40 |
| johnx | 'night | 08:40 |
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| qwerty12 | Hi, I'm looking at a diff and and applying it manually. Iis an // part of the patch, i.e I have to make a change to the line when I see // (just like I have to remove a line when I see - ) | 08:55 |
| qwerty12 | s/Iis/Is | 08:55 |
| zap | Anybody knows what the Nokia' X11 extension XSPSetThumbPressure() does? | 08:56 |
| zap | qwerty12: what's the question? | 08:57 |
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| qwerty12 | You know in diff files, if you are applying them manually, if you see a "-" in front, you remove that line in the file etc. My question is that does a "//" signify anything like that? | 08:58 |
| zap | do you mean the line in .diff file begins with // ? | 08:58 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, sorry, I just remembered they are comments. | 08:58 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks for the help. | 08:59 |
| zap | they are comments in C++ | 08:59 |
| zap | it's not valid diff syntax though | 08:59 |
| johnx | qwerty12, congrats on the android patches :D | 08:59 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Thanks! I'm currently porting the N810 only touchscreenfix to the N800's touchscreen driver. Doesn't seem to be hard (so far...) :) | 09:00 |
| zap | it's either somebody accidentally removed + or - in front of //, or the person who did the patch inserted a comment under // himself, but then I don't see why - usually people insert plain comments at the beginning of the diff | 09:00 |
| johnx | could be context, right? | 09:00 |
| johnx | if it begins with a space | 09:01 |
| zap | yes | 09:01 |
| qwerty12 | I just got confused because I saw "+//idev = android_idev;" and I thought why would you want that commented. | 09:01 |
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| zap | exactly, the patch author commented that line | 09:01 |
| johnx | aah, right, I assume the patch comments out old code | 09:01 |
| johnx | probably preceded by - idev = android_idev; | 09:02 |
| jott | qwerty12: could you provide a diff of your ported patches? | 09:02 |
| zap | is android x11 based? | 09:03 |
| jott | ugh.. those postinsts in the android debs look *evil* | 09:03 |
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| qwerty12 | jott, I plan to :). Except I just need to repack a clean kernel source because atm, I'm applying a patch and then replacing files by hand. | 09:04 |
| johnx | zap, nope. it writes directly to the framebuffer | 09:04 |
| zap | omg | 09:04 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, framebuffer. | 09:04 |
| zap | back to stone ages | 09:04 |
| * jott will install android manually | 09:04 | |
| qwerty12 | I'm surprised no one has complained about maemo being much slower. | 09:04 |
| zap | it implements his own widget set? | 09:04 |
| qwerty12 | The android .config insisted on automatic framebuffer and we know the speed of that >.< | 09:05 |
| qwerty12 | I need to turn it off and get penguinbait to use fb_update_mode. | 09:05 |
| jott | zap: android is quasi-java based with its own windowing/widget toolkit | 09:05 |
| qwerty12 | The history menu in android beats the microb one any day. | 09:06 |
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| jott | is the android image based on m5 or is this older? | 09:06 |
| jott | the blog screenshots look like an old version ;) | 09:06 |
| qwerty12 | From what I remember, it's the old one. The latest won't boot. | 09:06 |
| jott | mh | 09:06 |
| jott | ~curse google for not giving the android source | 09:07 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, google for not giving the android source ! | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | And it never will do. Nokia seriously sucked some hard balls over the decision of the multimedia hardware. | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | "m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. " | 09:07 |
| jott | mh | 09:07 |
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| jott | hm.. | 09:07 |
| zap | ah, it's not even opensource | 09:08 |
| qwerty12 | Some of the best bits of maemo aren't :/ | 09:08 |
| johnx | it will be open sourced | 09:08 |
| jott | it is *supposed* to be opensource but at the moment its a false promise | 09:08 |
| zap | then I don't see why one would lose his free time on this | 09:08 |
| johnx | s/it/android/ | 09:08 |
| infobot | johnx meant: android will be open sourced | 09:08 |
| zap | s/lose/spend/ | 09:09 |
| infobot | zap meant: then I don't see why one would spend his free time on this | 09:09 |
| johnx | people like hacking on stuff | 09:09 |
| johnx | but after a little bit of hacking I felt the same way | 09:09 |
| jott | http://www.android-freeware.org/tutorial/how-to-install-apk-files-on-android-device-emulator looks saner than copying the data to some app dir.. | 09:09 |
| johnx | yeah, android will probably be a nice platform for phones | 09:10 |
| zap | so at the moment Android is open promise software :) | 09:10 |
| jott | zap: heh exactly ;) | 09:10 |
| qwerty12 | jott, I think you need an ssh to do that | 09:10 |
| jott | qwerty12: where is the problem with ssh? ;) | 09:10 |
| jott | you could probably also do this on the terminal.. | 09:11 |
| qwerty12 | None, but I don't feel like connecting my N800 to the computer to install an app. That's one of the things I love about linux and my N800, I don't have to be tethered to a computer like my PocketPC. | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the explanation behind this error? "W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )" Should I bother filing a bug on it? | 09:12 |
| jott | qwerty12: yeah well i bet this would also work in a chrooted xterm session on the device | 09:12 |
| qwerty12 | Well, if you can get out of the android chroot without a reboot ;). Also, when I was playing with it on my N800, I don't remember seeing a console. | 09:13 |
| qwerty12 | BTW, thanks for the rotation patch, it applies fine to diablo kernel. | 09:14 |
| jott | qwerty12: before starting android you have to install the stuff i guess.. well it's all a big hack anyway | 09:14 |
| qwerty12 | True | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | BTW, lshal says my touchscreen on N800 is TSC2301. This means I should be modifying drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2301_ts.c right? (dumb question but I don't know with kernels :P) | 09:15 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: the repos http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ are password protected | 09:16 |
| jott | erm http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ | 09:16 |
| qwerty12 | I'd have thought that the password would have been removed by now. | 09:16 |
| jott | qwerty12: sounds reasonable ;) | 09:16 |
| qwerty12 | Ah well, my changes applied to it. Time to recompile and see if my touchscreen works too. | 09:17 |
| qwerty12 | I feel so dirty compiling linux kernel under windows. :( | 09:17 |
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| jott | http://xkcd.com/444/ hah nice one ;) | 09:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Oops. http://pastebin.com/d7a3b9589 . I think I compiled the shipped kernel like that too... | 09:30 |
| johnx | scary | 09:30 |
| johnx | I guess if it works it doesn't matter | 09:31 |
| * johnx remembers running into ... issues after an unclean patch to ide.c | 09:31 | |
| qwerty12 | Ouch. | 09:31 |
| johnx | after the clicking died down and I pulled the plug the drive worked ok though O_o | 09:32 |
| jott | heh well ide is a bit more sensitive than touchscreen ;) | 09:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles is finally getting around to moving his Diablo install to SD. | 09:34 | |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I once "obtained" an game for my dreamcast and when I would put it in, the dreamcast used to go crazy. I think the GD-Rom drive was possesed by woody the woodpecker. | 09:34 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles: yeah good idea, mine still has this dead chinook install on it.. | 09:35 |
| * qwerty12 head kills. Too much sleep-deprivation. | 09:36 | |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, to set the framebuffer back into manual (kernel wise, I don't mean in maemo where I would then use fb_update_mode), I change "# CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE is not set" to "CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y" in .config right? Any other changes needed? | 09:40 |
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| jott | qwerty12: you can set this at runtime via ioctl | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | I know that :) | 09:42 |
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| qwerty12 | ah fcuk it, I'll change it to yes anyway. having it on auto is just too slow anyway. | 09:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, I really need an opinion on this one: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer | 09:53 |
| qwerty12 | If that works, I could try making the latest run. | 09:54 |
| jott | nope, we have the crappy epson lcd controller with only 1mb memory | 09:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you have an overview of your linuxrc changes for bootmenu up somewhere? | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I should be able to mount the Diablo initfs rw, right? | 09:55 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I have it in a initfs.jffs2 image which I am unable to mount because I am under windows. | 09:56 |
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| qwerty12 | In theory yes. Give me a sec. | 09:56 |
| hrw | morning | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 09:56 |
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| jott | morning hrw | 09:56 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Which changes are you interested in? | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, thanks, hrw. :) | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just the color inversion. | 09:57 |
| hrw | I removed printing of r&d infos | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Oh. I replaced my half arsed job with KotCzarny's mod. But his website is gone now :/ | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | If you still have that file I sent you a long time ago, you can use a text comparision program on it. It's how I "ported" KotCzarny's mod onto the diablo initfs's when I used to rip them. | 09:58 |
| * jott needs to setup a uclibc toolchain to compile stuff for the initfs :) | 09:59 | |
| qwerty12 | I hate that stuff >.< . I remember trying to compile a ulibc toolchain for my router >.< | 09:59 |
| hrw | thats why I like OpenEmbedded | 09:59 |
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| hrw | switching uclibc/glibc is a matter of one variable | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | Cool. Bye. | 10:00 |
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| * jott hands hrw the magic wand to force nokia to use oe :) | 10:00 | |
| hrw | jott: I would rather force them to use Poky (which is OE based) because thats what I am working on | 10:02 |
| jott | hah yeah infecting nokia with more GPL stuff :) | 10:03 |
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| * RST38h would prefer that Nokia finishes sb2 | 10:26 | |
| RST38h | Don't want to deal with *another* SDK and its quirks | 10:26 |
| Dekaritae | I need a keyboard driver | 10:27 |
| Dekaritae | For a USB keyboard, with a Fn key | 10:28 |
| johnx | does it work at all? | 10:28 |
| Dekaritae | The current driver in Diablo doesn't "see" the Fn key and so it acts like the key is always held down, rendering the right half of the qwerty area unusable | 10:28 |
| johnx | not a driver issue. that sounds like a keymap issue | 10:29 |
| johnx | anyways, AFK for a while | 10:29 |
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| zapppp | is there any way to disable maemo's icd daemon? | 10:40 |
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| hrw | I would like to have 'rather useless experirements' section for packages like PackageView | 10:54 |
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| |tbb| | could anyone tell me how this agps on n810 will work under diabolo, my fix is not faster for my opinion | 10:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, Nokia has a beta labs page up. | 10:59 |
| hrw | heh... SSU check only user/ pacakges | 11:02 |
| hrw | apt-get said '27 upgrades' | 11:02 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: what does this means? | 11:06 |
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| icefox | Just curious, how much goes into porting the qt4 apps? http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ported.html | 11:08 |
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| vegai | I'm curious whether Nokia is working on replacing the desktop with qt4 something | 11:11 |
| hrw | not for next release | 11:12 |
| hrw | according to Quim talk on linuxtag | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | vegai, no. | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | GTK isn't going anywhere anytime soon. | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:12 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey, has anyone got this when installing android: cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/sandroid.sh': No such file or directory | 11:16 |
| EruditeHermit | if so, how did you work around this | 11:16 |
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| * Jaffa ponders a talk on using mud to port packages and manage your source bundles for the Maemo Summit | 11:29 | |
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| vegai | right | 11:34 |
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| lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | What's up? | 12:32 |
| lcuk | :) nothin major, just the daily grind | 12:32 |
| lcuk | i occasionally need to release. im digging through legacy code here and its melting my head | 12:33 |
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| eichi_ | some people use dualboot on this nxxx ? | 12:55 |
| eichi_ | does this work anymore? | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine. . . . | 12:56 |
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| eichi_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ this one? | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use penguinbait's deb http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 | 13:00 |
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| eichi_ | GeneralAntilles, this sounds strange | 13:09 |
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| eichi_ | does it use ext3 or damn vfat? what about a 4GB sd card? | 13:09 |
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| hendry | to get sshd running diablo, do i need to do that red pill crap again? | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, when did you ever need red pill for SSH? :\ | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and why not just install it and find out? | 13:18 |
| hendry | ah, i think you just need to enable the repo :) | 13:19 |
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| hendry | Err http://ftp.mozilla.org diablo/release Packages 302 Found | 13:31 |
| hendry | Failed to fetch http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/dists/diablo/release/binary-armel/Packages.gz 302 Found | 13:31 |
| eichi_ | i will do boot menu by hand. this strange deb package looks not nice | 13:31 |
| hendry | isn't 302 found a good thing? | 13:31 |
| eichi_ | using a deb package for partition is evil enought | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | And if i wear apathy's crown | 13:45 |
| pupnik | don't call me highness | 13:45 |
| pupnik | it's a long | 13:45 |
| pupnik | way | 13:45 |
| pupnik | down | 13:45 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_work: any luck with that little money transfer? | 13:46 |
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| zapppp | could someone help me with internet connectivity related problem? | 13:51 |
| zapppp | I would like to disable ICd while I'm using ad-hoc network because I don't want to connect automatically to another network if for example user open browser | 13:53 |
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| zapppp | i tried to directly kill the daemon with kill icd but it makes my tablet to reboot | 13:54 |
| zapppp | is there some way to block connectivity daemon from opening new connections? | 13:57 |
| pupnik | good question | 13:58 |
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| X-Fade | zapppp: off-line mode? | 14:00 |
| timeless | hello world | 14:00 |
| *** timeless changes topic to "http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking" | 14:00 | |
| timeless | mxr.maemo.org should be live *now* | 14:00 |
| timeless | please uninstall the dns package if you have it :) | 14:01 |
| timeless | note that it's a slightly dated version of mxr, i'm trying to merge a newer upstream now to pull in fixes... but merging is hell | 14:01 |
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| timeless | way too many branches | 14:01 |
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| hrw | ApplicationManager should show from which version to which version it does upgrade | 14:02 |
| hrw | without having to go into details view | 14:03 |
| timeless | hrw: file a bug :) | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | Or submit a patch. I'm sure they will accept it. | 14:03 |
| timeless | anyway, it'd be nice if people started hitting mxr :) | 14:03 |
| timeless | x-fade: i wouldn't bet on that :) | 14:03 |
| * sp3000 hits mxr | 14:03 | |
| timeless | there's a specification against it :) | 14:04 |
| * sp3000 got an error message about httpd_conf or somesuch on the first attempt | 14:04 | |
| sp3000 | seems to be fine now | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Well, I talked with Marius about doing experimental things in a branch. | 14:04 |
| sp3000 | why does experimenting on a branch make me think of something about "... sitting in a tree, ..." | 14:05 |
| hrw | timeless: ;) | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, look awesome. :D | 14:06 |
| pupnik | oh awesome awesome awesome http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/MichaelPenn/Long-Way-Down-Look-What-The-Cat-Drug-In--2162287 | 14:08 |
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| timeless | gan: please fix up maemo.org to advertise it :) | 14:09 |
| timeless | i'll blog about it sometime later today i guess | 14:10 |
| timeless | i need to try to merge it first | 14:10 |
| timeless | oh brother | 14:10 |
| timeless | i suppose listing os2008 above diablo is kinda stupid isn't it? :( | 14:10 |
| timeless | oh, and i'm kinda out of disk space, so some things aren't current (the garage tree is in a half state because i needed 22gb or so and didn't have it) | 14:11 |
| timeless | but i doubt most people will be using garage right away | 14:11 |
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| timeless | hrm, does nokia.com even mention diablo? | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | timeless: They call it Maemo 4.1 probably? | 14:16 |
| timeless | x-fade: where? | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Anokia.com+diablo&btnG=Search | 14:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/os2008.xhtml | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it mentions Diablo. | 14:17 |
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| crashanddie_ | hey | 14:43 |
| crashanddie_ | I tried installing Android, but don't get any shortcut in the extra menu | 14:44 |
| pupnik | sounds like one of my packages | 14:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | I followed penguinbait's post on the forum | 14:48 |
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| crashanddie | could anyone try to help me out for android ? | 14:55 |
| pupnik | pm penguinbait maybe | 14:57 |
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| pekuja | anyone know where I could find some info on making my own initfs / modifying the original? | 15:00 |
| eichi_ | what about the diablo release..i heard, that i dont need much different repositories anymore? | 15:03 |
| eichi_ | will nokia maintain now all on the extras repo? | 15:03 |
| pupnik | all programs compiled by everyone on the planet? | 15:05 |
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| crashanddie | heya lcuk_work | 15:06 |
| crashanddie | the other one, too | 15:06 |
| eichi_ | pupnik, you got it..no only tue common packages like pidgin, etc. | 15:07 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ping? | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | not so much for table tennis | 15:09 |
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| lcuk_work | did someone set off the bat signal? | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | bat signal ? | 15:15 |
| lcuk_work | yer, i can see my house from here at work and i can see xchat flashing above my location | 15:16 |
| * lcuk_work will never give up his window office seat | 15:16 | |
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| crashanddie | hah | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, I might have highlighted you | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie | (crashanddie) heya lcuk_work | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie | oh, is that so ? No route to me ? | 15:17 |
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| lcuk_work | crashanddie, you will have to let me know how good android is | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | if I get it working, sure thing | 15:20 |
| lcuk_work | lol | 15:20 |
| lcuk_work | so far excellent, it does nothing very quickly | 15:20 |
| lcuk_work | ++++++ would install again ;) | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, pong. | 15:22 |
| lcuk_work | rm_you, hes right: have a bath | 15:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, wow, you're in bullet time my friend... 14 minutes ping | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was at the grocery store buying foods. :D | 15:24 |
| lcuk_work | thats TCP for you :) at least the packet got though (yes, i know pings dont use tcp) | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | YOU EAT ? | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pong. | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, do you have a mic ? | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, at home, that is | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | Grr. Bad day at work. | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | I'm a noob | 15:27 |
| lcuk_work | lol jaffa, wont beat mine. | 15:27 |
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| lcuk_work | crashanddie, ive got an 810 :) its got cam and mic, why | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, stick a paragraph or sentence about MXR somewhere in http://maemo.org/development/ ? | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, I'm on a small radio show | 15:28 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk_work, basically it's just a few mates cocking about tech stuff all around | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, it's not like we have a big audience, but still, it's fun... Wanna hang out ? | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and it'd likely be worthwhile to get a News announcement together. | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | (well, not immediately, it's around 8PM your time) | 15:29 |
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| lcuk_work | hmmm crashanddie doesnt sound like my cup of tea | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you finish those TPS reports? | 15:29 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and delayed congratulations, Jaffa. =) | 15:29 |
| lcuk_work | and jaffa, make sure you put a cover sheet on each one | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, k :) | 15:30 |
| * lcuk_work doesnt like the sound of his own voice | 15:30 | |
| crashanddie | yeah, I don't like your voice either, but could be fun :D | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | (you asked for it :P) | 15:30 |
| lcuk_work | .|.. | 15:31 |
| lcuk_work | :P | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love that piece of acsii. . . . | 15:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now a little from the other hand! ..|. | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | w00t | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | android works | 15:32 |
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| lcuk_work | its not touch based is it | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | it is | 15:32 |
| lcuk_work | i thought it was geared to be usable on none touch devices (though obviously i was wrong and where touch is available its usable) | 15:33 |
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| lcuk_work | RIGHT, BACK TO THE GRIND | 15:35 |
| lcuk_work | CYAS LATER | 15:35 |
| lcuk_work | crap | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ta :) | 15:37 |
| Atarii | i want android on the 770 :( | 15:38 |
| * Jaffa is seriously considering strangling someone... everyone.. | 15:38 | |
| crashanddie | android is going to need heavy speed optimizations if it wants to be usable | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, that'd be one way to get the rest of the day off. :D | 15:38 |
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| florian | Atarii: why? | 15:42 |
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| timeless | gan: heh | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | florian: You seem to be on the access list for #maemo, can you please add me there too? | 15:44 |
| Atarii | florian why not :p | 15:46 |
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| pupnik | security buffs. do not buy any recent laptops. | 15:49 |
| pupnik | pre-centrino is the only safe hardware, afaik | 15:50 |
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| florian | X-Fade: I am? | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, afaics, it's dog slow, quite unstable, but looks promising | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | florian: Is this you? *!n=fuchs@dns.kernelconcepts.de | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_work, I love how the browser doesn't lock up while browsing, even though it's loading, you can still move the page about with the stylus, same with maps, they seem to have great load balancing features | 15:52 |
| florian | X-Fade: Looks like me, indeed... | 15:53 |
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| X-Fade | florian: It seems all others dropped off the map, so I want to put some new names in that list. | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | florian: And I have already filed a form for freenode, but that can take a while ;) | 15:54 |
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| florian | X-Fade: Last time I did it took ages... even filing the form three times | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | "but that is going to take a while" <-- fixed | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | florian: Yeah, that is why I try the shortcut ;) | 15:56 |
| florian | hrm, looks like I need to fix our gateway machine first :-/ | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | Aw :( | 15:58 |
| florian | X-Fade: I have to take a look at this issue anyway, but I can't do it right now. | 15:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He's getting ready to impose his will upon us. :D | 16:00 |
| pupnik | scott horton interviews Dr. Gareth Porter and Seymour Hersch................................. http://antiwar.com/radio/ | 16:01 |
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| jott | X-Fade: "Toni" is registered as founder and he still seems to be on freenode, maybe ping him? | 16:01 |
| eichi_ | what can i do with boot menu at the moment? kde? debian? and? | 16:02 |
| florian | X-Fade: Oh wait, the gateway is fine - DNS is broken | 16:02 |
| florian | ~lart qsc | 16:02 |
| * infobot whacks qsc with a giant beaver's tail | 16:02 | |
| hrw | Atarii: 770 is armv5te device so it should be able to run android | 16:02 |
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| jott | X-Fade: he could probably also set others +F... | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | jott: Hmm indeed, I somehow missed that. | 16:03 |
| florian | X-Fade: I colleague just seem to have noticed this too, he talks to the network provider right now :) | 16:03 |
| Atarii | hrw, so far ive found this: http://www.android-internals.org/index.php?title=Nokia_770 | 16:04 |
| pupnik | Bird Bath mmeans Pickup Truck! | 16:05 |
| pupnik | here's the whole show http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/2415/Anti-War_Radio_%2811am_on_Jul_1st%2C_2008%29.mp3 | 16:05 |
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| eichi_ | i want to do my maemo on mmc now, how much space should i use? (have 4GB intern) | 16:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | 512-1GB, depending. | 16:22 |
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| Dekaritae | GeneralAntilles: If I wanted to remap a button on a connected USB keyboard, where ought I to look? | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | Somewhere out there in the vast nothingness of space, somewhere far away in space and time, staring upwards at the gleaming stars in the obsidian sky... | 16:42 |
| crashanddie | We're marooned on a small island, in an endless sea. Confined to a tiny spit of sand. Unable to escape. | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | But tonight, on this small planet. On Earth. WE'RE GOING TO ROCK CIVILIZATION ! | 16:43 |
| pupnik | don't open the offtopic floodgates | 16:44 |
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| crashanddie | bleh | 16:44 |
| * lcuk_work replies to crashanddie the only way possible: | 16:44 | |
| lcuk_work | I put on my robe and my wizard hat | 16:44 |
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| crashanddie | not like there's a lot of offtopic when the only activity is joins/parts | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like turtles | 16:44 |
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| crashanddie | Does anyone of you know of a program that actually uses esd to output sound ? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | (on the tablet) | 16:46 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:47 |
| pupnik | why | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | which program ? | 16:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If anybody, pupnik is probably your man, crashanddie. | 16:47 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, awesome :D | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | finally :D | 16:47 |
| pupnik | i'm in bad shape right now, what is the question behind the quistion | 16:47 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik, I wanted to write a small app that would show a spectrum of the sound currently outputted by the tablet | 16:48 |
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| simboss | guys, quick pymaemo question | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | so I'm trying to get the esd buffer, and work on that, but the file descriptor that I'm supposed to read on never has any data in it (read () blocks, using select () to monitor it), so in fact I'm wondering if there's actually any data going through esd... | 16:49 |
| pupnik | timidity for e.g | 16:49 |
| pupnik | lol crashanddie | 16:49 |
| pupnik | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-04-19.log.html | 16:49 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 16:50 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik, ok, so basically, esd is a dead end | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | well that's cool, having written fack all number of lines... | 16:51 |
| pupnik | interesting project ... esd works, somehow... but i don't know how | 16:52 |
| simboss | I do not manage to get " mouse released evens frmo a custom drawing area | 16:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie: spectrum for all the sound or just something specific? | 16:52 |
| simboss | any ideas? | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | lardman, all the sound | 16:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie: hmm, as it's routed into the DSP & mixed there, you may have troubles | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | it's mixed in the dsp ? | 16:52 |
| lardman | that's my understanding | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | dayum | 16:52 |
| |tbb| | if i manually insmod some modules, will they be in use after reboot? | 16:53 |
| lardman | |tbb|: no | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | nope | 16:53 |
| lardman | crashanddie: you might be able to insert something in the gstreamer pipeline | 16:53 |
| |tbb| | hmm, i wonder why i cant connect to my ap anymore | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, did I ever link you to this one? http://youtube.com/watch?v=scU3WE560Gc | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | yeah, that's what I've been told | 16:53 |
| |tbb| | any logfile available to see whats wrong | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | but lardman, the problem is, the gstreamer things I try to right fail to run on the NIT | 16:54 |
| |tbb| | the router itself doesnt have one | 16:54 |
| lardman | crashanddie: they must give some output | 16:54 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: no, but seen it | 16:54 |
| pupnik | i had it on CD somewhere - something by bill laswell | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | lardman, work on my linux box, but when compiled in scratchbox, and transfered to the NIT, there's some crazy shit about failing to insert stuff, hang on | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hallucination Engine | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Love that album | 16:54 |
| pupnik | ahh there we go | 16:54 |
| inz | simboss, have you added the events for the widget? | 16:55 |
| simboss | inz: yep | 16:55 |
| simboss | inz: I get the mouse press correctly but no mouse release | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman, http://slexy.org/view/s201UBOrmR | 16:55 |
| simboss | inz: same code works on ubuntu desktop | 16:55 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: dubstep.fm has some ear-opening stuff ... nice to see that music still progresses | 16:56 |
| simboss | inz: I found some posts about this problem and I have a workaround, but it's strange though | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to search music progress? Try this. >:D http://youtube.com/watch?v=KcHjAUhtSrk | 16:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I don't have any experience writing Gstreamer plugins I'm afraid | 16:57 |
| simboss | inz: I was just willing to check if someone else's found a solutions for this | 16:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: what is gtest? Shouldn't you place it in a pipeline to test? | 16:57 |
| inz | simboss, well, if you have a workaround, use that (unless it's butt ugly ;) | 16:57 |
| inz | simboss, and possibly file a bug in the 'zilla | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | lardman, me neither, but that's a textbook example from the gstreamer docs, and it just fails to run on the NIT, which doesn't prevail anything good | 16:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: true | 16:58 |
| lardman | crashanddie: Try asking on the maemo-devel list, there are some gstreamer types lurking on there | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | ok, I will | 16:59 |
| |tbb| | confuse: now it works again | 16:59 |
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| |tbb| | what do i need to do to use agps | 16:59 |
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| lardman | install agps-ui | 17:00 |
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| simboss | inz: here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-November/030372.html | 17:02 |
| hrw | hmm.. I have a problem small | 17:02 |
| hrw | does Diablo autobuilder accept source packages with same names as diablo system ones but producing other set of packages? | 17:03 |
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| hrw | Pimlico Dates/Contacts/Tasks use evolution-data-server but it is also provided by Maemo. | 17:04 |
| eichi_ | i need mkfs.ext3, in which repo i can find it? | 17:04 |
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| scaldov | HI all! | 17:05 |
| hrw | Maemo version provide only Contacts backend, when rest of apps need Calendar backed | 17:05 |
| scaldov | I've binary-patched pidgin, so it can connect to icq | 17:05 |
| scaldov | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4226/liboscar-patched.deb | 17:05 |
| |tbb| | lardman: i had done that, do i have to have an gps signal and an internet connection while using that tool | 17:05 |
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| inz | simboss, you're having this problem in python? | 17:07 |
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| simboss | inz: yep, same exact thing | 17:07 |
| inz | simboss, have you tried removing the motion hint mask? | 17:10 |
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| simboss | nope | 17:10 |
| simboss | inz: should I? | 17:10 |
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| inherited | Hi, what exactly is "Diablo"? | 17:11 |
| inz | simboss, it was just a suggestion in the thread, that it might be the cause | 17:11 |
| simboss | the | 17:11 |
| pekuja | inherited, it's the new OS version for N800 and N810 | 17:11 |
| inherited | coool? | 17:11 |
| pekuja | inherited, it's also a computer game by Blizzard | 17:11 |
| simboss | inz: the guys seems to say that it did not change the result much | 17:11 |
| inherited | pekuja: allready stable? | 17:11 |
| pekuja | unrelated | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | inherited, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo | 17:12 |
| inherited | thx, GeneralAntilles | 17:12 |
| inz | simboss, Oh, I didn't notice such, I though there was only Xan's post that it _shouldn't_ change anything | 17:12 |
| inherited | are there also docs/infos on how to get diablo? :D | 17:12 |
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| hrw | inherited: same way as every other Maemo release | 17:13 |
| inherited | that means? | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrade_tablet_OS | 17:13 |
| inherited | thx | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody moved it? | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I'm just an idiot: https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS | 17:14 |
| inherited | thx a lot :D | 17:14 |
| pupnik | i need a word for total contempt of stupid people | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | GeneralAntilles | 17:14 |
| lardman | |tbb|: Wifi, agps-ui should automatically open gpsdriver iirc | 17:14 |
| lardman | |tbb|: it will ask the supl server for the data for wherever you clicked and give that to gpsdriver I think; someone said it would also try mobile phone connections, but I don't have mine linked | 17:15 |
| scaldov | people, is there pidgin icq-patched version for maemo2008? | 17:15 |
| |tbb| | mine also not linked to an cellphone | 17:16 |
| |tbb| | err mobilephone | 17:16 |
| lardman | :) | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | scaldov, just use rtcomm with the Collabora telepathy plugins? | 17:16 |
| |tbb| | so i have to open it and point it to the place where iam? | 17:17 |
| * |tbb| confused | 17:17 | |
| scaldov | GeneralAntilles, I don't know what are you about | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, the Nokia beta labs site explains how it works. | 17:17 |
| pupnik | Anybody who uses the Internet should read E.M. Forster's The Machine Stops. It is a chilling, short story masterpiece about the role of technology in our lives. Written in 1909, it's as relevant today as the day it was published. | 17:17 |
| pupnik | http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html | 17:17 |
| lardman | |tbb|: open the app, tap on the map where you are, hey presto! | 17:17 |
| inherited | thx a lot so far, will I be able to run os 2008 apps without any problems on diablo? | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | scaldov, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302 | 17:18 |
| hrw | inherited: yes | 17:18 |
| eichi_ | i need e2fsprogs for maemo, where to get it??? | 17:18 |
| inherited | cool | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | eichi_ gronmayer.com/it | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the SDK repo. | 17:18 |
| inherited | its getting better and better every second | 17:18 |
| hrw | eichi_: 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages | 17:19 |
| hrw | eichi_: from diablo extras | 17:19 |
| |tbb| | the card ZoomLevel isnt that big so i can choose a land or city exactly | 17:20 |
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| lardman | |tbb|: I know, I've been wondering what effect that has | 17:20 |
| lardman | |tbb|: I don't know enough about the accuracy required in the supl message data though | 17:21 |
| scaldov | GeneralAntilles, looks interesting. i'll try | 17:21 |
| scaldov | thnx | 17:21 |
| |tbb| | everyone says, hey now it supports agps, but how it will be speed up things or how it work noone knows it really | 17:21 |
| lardman | Someone posted a comparison on ITT this morning iirc | 17:22 |
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| eichi_ | apt-get update ->> W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) | 17:30 |
| eichi_ | expected but got? lol? | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | It's normal and can be ignored. | 17:30 |
| eichi_ | sounds like "i need it, but what a shame, i got it :( " is is my english not good enaught? | 17:31 |
| Atarii | qwerty12! do you have the changeslog for the AM 2.02 which you removing the legal mumbojumbo? | 17:32 |
| lardman | eichi_: You sure it's not expected "diablo" got "" ?? | 17:32 |
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| eichi_ | lardman, http://phpfi.com/328641 whats that? | 17:37 |
| eichi_ | and yes, i was sure ;) | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get -f install | 17:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The issue has been covered a number of times on itT and -developers | 17:38 |
| sp3000 | eichi_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38023 | 17:38 |
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| lardman | eichi_: no really, I think the message is trying to tell you that there's no distro name | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully an SSU updates comes down soon so it'll resolve itself. | 17:39 |
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| lcuk_work | the agps thing, would it be possible to add a quick function to maemo-mapper to push the current actual location into the agps thing that we can currently only get 50miles away from? would the extra coord resolution be worthwhile? | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | |tbb| my impression is that the time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute | 17:43 |
| lcuk_work | ill dash back to work, but its just something i wonder | 17:43 |
| lardman | lcuk_work: no idea, we'd need to talk to someone in the know (about agps/ephemeris data) | 17:43 |
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| lcuk_work | mgedmin, we had gps fixes in about 20 minutes in germany : | 17:43 |
| lardman | mgedmin: not a cold start though? | 17:43 |
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| mgedmin | s/the time to get a gps fix/minimum time to get a gps fix/ | 17:44 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: |tbb| my impression is that minimum time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute | 17:44 |
| lcuk_work | next time we are all together it will be good to see relative speeds - im still on chinook | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | heh | 17:44 |
| lcuk_work | lardman - none of us were cold | 17:44 |
| lardman | mgedmin: I also think the pretty inaccurate data which will be supplied (due to the ~50miles square size of the pixels in the map) won't help | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | lardman: not sure; first fix about 24 hours since last fix | 17:44 |
| lcuk_work | all took a long time : twice, once before dinner, once after | 17:44 |
| lcuk_work | back later anyway | 17:44 |
| eichi_ | sp3000, GeneralAntilles lardman thanks a lot | 17:45 |
| eichi_ | now i use openssh instead of xterm in maemo, its easyer to write ;) | 17:46 |
| eichi_ | its like fingerpicking on guitar | 17:46 |
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| eichi_ | sfdisk is strange | 18:03 |
| eichi_ | Units = cylinders of 21504 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes | 18:03 |
| eichi_ | how much cylinders do i need for 1 GB? | 18:03 |
| pupnik | poop cylinders | 18:03 |
| eichi_ | (1 024 * 1 000) / 21 504 = 47.6190476 | 18:05 |
| eichi_ | 50 or what? | 18:05 |
| scaldov | -Hn -Sn | 18:05 |
| scaldov | there is no need to set cylinders | 18:05 |
| eichi_ | sfdisk want to have them | 18:06 |
| hrw | sfdisk? someone still use it? | 18:06 |
| eichi_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card | 18:06 |
| scaldov | echo ",,L"|sfdisk -S64 -H64 | 18:06 |
| eichi_ | its in the brand new wiki | 18:07 |
| scaldov | I used it this way | 18:07 |
| qwerty12_1 | Doesn't sfdisk have that mode where you can specify MB instead? | 18:07 |
| scaldov | no | 18:07 |
| scaldov | it does not | 18:07 |
| hrw | eichi_: it is old text in new wiki? | 18:07 |
| eichi_ | i want to use fdisk like everywhere | 18:07 |
| qwerty12_1 | Oh my bad. I'm thinking of something else. | 18:07 |
| eichi_ | hrw, it seems so | 18:08 |
| scaldov | i think there is sfdisk from busybox | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, sounds painful. | 18:10 |
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| eichi_ | there is no way to get fdisk running? | 18:11 |
| * qwerty12_1 refrains from screaming. | 18:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 18:11 |
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| qwerty12_1 | I've got cfdisk available. | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong | 18:11 |
| eichi_ | if i want to install util-linux, all maemo thinks will gone ;) bad idea | 18:12 |
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| scaldov | peope, sfdisk is light and powerfull. forget fdisk :) | 18:12 |
| eichi_ | but then, i have fdisk hihi | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you clear this page and just leave the Note: line and the link to the GNOME wiki? https://maemo.org/community/wiki/MaemoGtk26Contributions/ | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://live.gnome.org/Maemo/Gtk26Contributions | 18:12 |
| qwerty12_1 | eichi_, But I can package things and I have cfdisk in a seperate package ;) | 18:12 |
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| scaldov | btw, is there netsmbfs for maemo? | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok. | 18:13 |
| eichi_ | i need hours for only partion a sd card with maemo..its scrary | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Btw, thanks for all the extras wiki pages and links between them. That is really useful :) | 18:14 |
| eichi_ | only because i forgot my sd card reader at my other flat | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | I used them in my blog post btw ;) | 18:14 |
| qwerty12_1 | penguinbait, ping | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | moar bloging! | 18:14 |
| eichi_ | what should i do nooooooooooooooooow | 18:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles cracks the whip. | 18:15 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah yeah, I just did ;) | 18:15 |
| * qwerty12_1 howls | 18:15 | |
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| leandroal | j #ols | 18:18 |
| qwerty12_1 | And why would anyone want to do that? | 18:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody got a GNOMI Live account? | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/GNOMI/GNOME/ | 18:19 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Anybody got a GNOME Live account? | 18:19 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok, changed the page. | 18:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks | 18:21 |
| jga23 | anybody know where I could get subversion client for diablo? | 18:21 |
| qwerty12_1 | jga23, it's in the sdk repo iirc | 18:21 |
| jga23 | qwerty12_1: thanks | 18:22 |
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| eichi_ | qwerty12_1, can you give me this cfdisk package? | 18:26 |
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| qwerty12_1 | http://www.mediafire.com/?992d1yvr4z3 | 18:26 |
| eichi_ | qwerty12_1, i will trust you ;) | 18:28 |
| qwerty12_1 | If your tablet burns up and causes the house to go on fire, I've got your back. :P | 18:28 |
| johnx | which is to say he'll be behind yo running :) | 18:29 |
| aquatix | johnx: nah, he has a digital backup | 18:29 |
| eichi_ | qwerty12_1, then i hope, you have a free room in your house | 18:29 |
| aquatix | uh-oh | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12_1 | eichi_, Ok, I don't have your back :P | 18:30 |
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| eichi_ | i have a backup yes | 18:30 |
| eichi_ | ;) | 18:30 |
| eichi_ | but there is no way to make hardware backups ;D | 18:30 |
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| aquatix | eichi_: hm, in that case i might have to revise my backup scheme... | 18:32 |
| eichi_ | ehm..how to install a file from locally with apt-get? | 18:32 |
| qwerty12_1 | ARRGH, a port of the touchscreen fix from N810 to N800 didn't take :( | 18:32 |
| qwerty12_1 | The tsc2005.c and the tsc2301 driver are very similar too :( | 18:33 |
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| crashanddie | eichi_, dpkg -i file.deb | 18:36 |
| eichi_ | thats it, thanks, long time i used a debian ;) | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12_1 | Does using a tablet with the debian system of package managment count? | 18:38 |
| hrw | qwerty12_1: if it is nokia tablet then it does not | 18:39 |
| qwerty12_1 | Heh | 18:39 |
| hrw | qwerty12_1: normal users does not even see that apt/dpkg are used | 18:40 |
| qwerty12_1 | Not entirely sure about that, the app man log is quite descriptive. | 18:40 |
| penguinbait | did you get some sleep qwerty :) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12_1 | Nope, I was still on IRC >.> | 18:41 |
| qwerty12_1 | :P :) | 18:41 |
| eichi_ | allways use logical partitions, shouldnt I? | 18:41 |
| penguinbait | if you want I can tar up my deb directory, so you can update it, with kernel while I am gone? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12_1 | I can wait yet :). It will give me a few more days to mess with the kernel anyway :/ | 18:42 |
| penguinbait | cool | 18:42 |
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| hrw | eichi_: primary you mean? | 18:43 |
| hrw | ~curse msdos partitioning | 18:43 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, msdos partitioning ! | 18:43 |
| eichi_ | i use only ext3 partitions | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | yikes | 18:43 |
| qwerty12_1 | penguinbait, BTW, I think I know why some people are reporting problems with the kernel. Either the patch is dodgy. Or more likely, it didn't apply right as I saw this morning. I'll release a new kernel sometime where the patch is applied by hand. | 18:44 |
| qwerty12_1 | (The N810 touchscreen patch that is) | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | I put it on my 800 and 810, and it runs better on 800, I think the TS patches are slowing things down, however CPU seems OK? | 18:44 |
| hrw | eichi_: the scheme which you use on card cames from msdos | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | penguinbait, also, did you notice that the more you go to the edge of the screen, the more there is a margin between the actual position and the registered position ? | 18:45 |
| hrw | eichi_: primary/logical partitions crap | 18:45 |
| eichi_ | hrw, that means? | 18:45 |
| eichi_ | is there another way? | 18:45 |
| penguinbait | hrw, I just use my deb for partitioning :) | 18:45 |
| hrw | eichi_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_BIOS_partition_types | 18:46 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, i think its a evil hack to parition with a deb package...sorry for that | 18:46 |
| penguinbait | crashanddie, I have used it for about 30 minutes total, I honestly dont have much use for the project, I like qwerty, was just trying to help out :) | 18:47 |
| hrw | eichi_: lot of them | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | you like qwerty ? | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | :D | 18:47 |
| penguinbait | evil, thats what I get for helping people? | 18:47 |
| hrw | I prefer AmigaOS partitioning - too bad that PC cannot boot from such disks... | 18:47 |
| qwerty12_1 | crashanddie, don't hate :p | 18:47 |
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| hrw | eichi_: under linux LVM instead of partitioning is nice | 18:47 |
| penguinbait | yes, I like qwerty :P | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | penguinbait, I used it for 10 minutes, just to test | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | penguinbait, but you know, in the dev tools, there's cursor position | 18:48 |
| penguinbait | I got you beat by 20minutes :P | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | which draws a little dot to the registered coordinates of where the stylus hits the screen | 18:48 |
| penguinbait | yes, I saw that | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | and when you go up and down the screen | 18:48 |
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| crashanddie | well, when you're in the center of the screen, it registers correctly | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | but the more you go up to the top/down of the screen, there's a mis-calculation of somesort | 18:49 |
| qwerty12_1 | Well be thankful that the thing actually works.:P My N800 doesn't register jack shit. | 18:49 |
| Atarii | qwerty12_1 do you have changes you did to the applicaiton manager? | 18:49 |
| eichi_ | hrw you need only the kernel modules and can switch? | 18:49 |
| penguinbait | well like I said, we were just helping out, qwerty applied the kernel patches, he did not create them. I assume as the real team works on it things will improve | 18:49 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not running around yelling "FIX IT", i'm just saying, that's all :P | 18:50 |
| qwerty12_1 | Atarii, No sorry :(. I removed my linux partition and it turns out that the patch was on there. When I take a look at the file again, I always figure out my changes though, so I'll take a look again later :) | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | I understand this is more of a "proof of concept" than anything else | 18:50 |
| Atarii | ok thanks qwerty12_1 | 18:51 |
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| qwerty12_1 | This will never go more forward than this anyway. "A: You have to use m3 user space. This works well with m5-rc14/15 kernel patches. So best combination is to use m3 user space with m5 kernel.m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. " | 18:51 |
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| penguinbait | I think it was more of a qwerty and penguinbait had too much time on there hands for a couple days with nothing better to do :) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_1 | I seriously want to beat the fuck out of Epson for making the biggest piece of shit ever, | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_1 | Yep with b-man manipulating the strings :P | 18:51 |
| penguinbait | heh | 18:52 |
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| johnx | I read some stuff about android for the zaurus, where someone discovered it might not need page flipping | 18:52 |
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| hrw | eichi_: more or less that | 18:53 |
| qwerty12_1 | johnx, you mean something like this: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer (read the zaurus part) | 18:53 |
| johnx | it was from here: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/ | 18:53 |
| * johnx reads | 18:53 | |
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| qwerty12_1 | Yep, that site is in the elinux link I gave :) | 18:54 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 18:54 |
| Andy80 | I'm using diablo release and I'm using chinook-extras, should I switch to diablo-extras? | 18:54 |
| johnx | qwerty12_1, yes, but there is a later post about the 750, which states it wasn't necessary | 18:54 |
| johnx | s/750/700 | 18:55 |
| johnx | qwerty12_1, here: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/article/93200205.html | 18:55 |
| qwerty12_1 | Thanks | 18:55 |
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| johnx | in a couple months when the first handset comes out this will be a lot more interesting | 18:56 |
| qwerty12_1 | If he did nothing, then that can be up to someone to build m5-rc14 then. | 18:56 |
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| johnx | ah, exciting...the latest mplayer removes alsa sound output? | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | Andy80, chinook programs run seamlessly on diablo, diablo repos aren't populated that much just yet | 18:58 |
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| qwerty12_1 | Just for future reference for myself so I can search this up on google quickly, the file for N800 touchscreen is tsc2301_ts.c | 19:00 |
| Andy80 | crashanddie: ok, thanks | 19:00 |
| |tbb| | touchscreen patch for debian ? | 19:01 |
| eichi_ | can i use ext2/3 on mmc to boot from sd card? or do i need to take vfat like in the howto? | 19:01 |
| qwerty12_1 | android | 19:01 |
| * Mousey poops on android | 19:01 | |
| johnx | heh...well after I give up a2dp start working. bleh | 19:02 |
| * Mousey uses ext3 on the internal card and external card. but not the main partition | 19:02 | |
| * Mousey is mostly too lazy to figure out if it's possible or a good idea or not though, and should not be considered a role model | 19:02 | |
| johnx | anyways, ~40% CPU usage @ 160MHz isn't too bad | 19:03 |
| eichi_ | Mousey, but i want to boot from internal card | 19:03 |
| johnx | I wonder if it would be better to bump the CPU speed and let it sleep more... | 19:03 |
| Mousey | eichi_: fanoush is your friend | 19:03 |
| eichi_ | maybe it cant mount ext2/3 while booting | 19:03 |
| Mousey | that'd be up to either the kernel or the initfs | 19:03 |
| johnx | yes, |tbb| a2dp seems to work for me | 19:04 |
| johnx | to a degree...skipping now | 19:04 |
| * Mousey thinks . o O ( a2dp? ) | 19:04 | |
| johnx | stereo sound support for bluetooth headphones | 19:04 |
| Mousey | OH YEA | 19:04 |
| Mousey | god i want that to work | 19:04 |
| timeless | johnx: anyway, mxr.maemo.org is up, have fun :) | 19:04 |
| Mousey | i don't care about high cpu usage | 19:04 |
| |tbb| | no hack needed | 19:05 |
| JamieBennett | what was the fix for the 'sem_post: Function not implemented' problem in scratchbox again? | 19:05 |
| johnx | Mousey, you will when your battery power goes away in ~3 hours | 19:05 |
| Mousey | there's that | 19:05 |
| Mousey | but i'd leave it plugged in ^_^ | 19:05 |
| johnx | timeless, cool | 19:05 |
| johnx | Mousey, well go and grab it...it does work to a degree | 19:05 |
| Mousey | first i need stereo headphones. ^_^ | 19:06 |
| johnx | aaah | 19:06 |
| johnx | heh | 19:06 |
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| johnx | can't help you unless you want to buy some from me :) | 19:06 |
| johnx | I could use new ones :D | 19:06 |
| Mousey | nah, i have to steal the ones i have back from my wife | 19:06 |
| johnx | hot sauce, works in canola too! | 19:07 |
| qwerty12_1 | Lets see the master salesman at work | 19:08 |
| hrw | dpkg - warning: downgrading xchat from 2.8.4-chinook0-beta1 to 2.8.4-diablo0mg2. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell kind of a quip is this? "best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800" | 19:08 |
| qwerty12_1 | Good enough for me, wheres the buy page? | 19:08 |
| hrw | mgedmin: can you add epoch to Diablo package of xchat? | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | hrw: what's the reason? | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | ah, I see | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | you had the chinook package on your diablo | 19:09 |
| hrw | mgedmin: yes - skyhuster one | 19:09 |
| hrw | ~xchat-maemo | 19:09 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | you naughty impatient user :) | 19:09 |
| RST38h | GA: A Chinese spammer. | 19:09 |
| hrw | mgedmin: I had it in chinook times | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | wait, why is chinook older than diablo? d > c! | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who can delete a spam quip from bugzilla? | 19:10 |
| hrw | infobot: no, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from Diablo Extras(-devel) repository | 19:10 |
| infobot | hrw: okay | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | besides I did the same thing myself | 19:10 |
| qwerty12_1 | Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking look :) | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | hrw: chinook extras too | 19:10 |
| qwerty12_1 | s/look/a look/ | 19:10 |
| infobot | qwerty12_1 meant: Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking a look :) | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12_1: skyhusker's svn is alive | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | that's where I got the xchat that I uploaded to extras | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | (after emailing with skyhusker a bit) | 19:11 |
| hrw | mgedmin: feel free to edit factoid | 19:11 |
| johnx | anyways, the old a2dp-support package I put together for chinook works fine in diablo, and does as little as ever :) | 19:11 |
| qwerty12_1 | mgedmin, Ah, do you have a link? I went through web.archive because his site broken to the result of finding a broken svn link. | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | it's on garage | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/xchat/trunk xchat-maemo | 19:12 |
| johnx | a2dp setup .deb for convenience only, can be found here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | all I had to do was fix the build-depends a bit | 19:12 |
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| qwerty12 | ~lart shitty router for rebooting | 19:14 |
| * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples shitty router's foot to the floor for rebooting | 19:14 | |
| hrw | bye guys | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | speaking of reboot... | 19:18 |
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| whooper | hey guys | 19:21 |
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| whooper | hey qwerty12, do you have the patch for touchscreen support in android for the n800 yet? | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | Nope. I'm trying again but I can't make any promises, I'm not really a programmer :) | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | (I'd like it working too, I have only N800 as well :)) | 19:23 |
| whooper | okay | 19:23 |
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| whooper | i just installed it and I must say that you've done a beautiful job so far | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | Well, the installing and file system stuff is all penguinbaits work :) | 19:24 |
| whooper | ooookyay | 19:24 |
| penguinbait | the kernel is qwerty, but all the real work was done by others :) | 19:24 |
| * whooper goes to look for his usb female-to-female adapter | 19:24 | |
| penguinbait | is there an official 800/810 android team actively developing for 800/810? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | only thing I can think of android-on-n8xx | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | n8xx is a joke though | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | N810 is more serious. | 19:26 |
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| penguinbait | the usespace I used is that just a generic userspace for android on omap or is it meant for 800/810? | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Weird, Android looks better on N810 than on the devices it has been designed to run on | 19:26 |
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| johnx | it's designed to run on pretty much anything | 19:27 |
| johnx | that's kinda the point :) | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Any more screenshots/photos/videos more than just the one on aisu's blog of the home screen? | 19:28 |
| whooper | johnx, you hit the nail on the head | 19:28 |
| whooper | i'll make some! | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Screenshots | 19:28 |
| penguinbait | post them in the thread on ITT | 19:28 |
| whooper | i'll put em' on my blog: jakemaheu.com; oncew i do | 19:28 |
| whooper | er.. *once | 19:28 |
| whooper | no prob | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | Slow? Usable? Useful? Limited hacking time at the moment, and improving mud is probably more useful :) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Slow, a little. I found performance to be much better when using ext2 instead of loop. Usable, I'd say so (if you use N810) and useful, well.... | 19:29 |
| penguinbait | The Fn key is not working on 810, so no numbers or / or @ its not that usefull :) | 19:30 |
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| penguinbait | The 810 seems to run slower than the 800, I think its the TS patches? | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | It probably is | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: does it work if you hold down Fn, rather than press or release - or does it not work at all? (And what about xmodmap helpage?) | 19:31 |
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| penguinbait | I must say, first impressions, I wich maemo looked like that :) | 19:31 |
| penguinbait | not at all Jaffa | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, xmodmap isn't used. Instead, you need to look at qwerty.kl and maybe init.rc | 19:32 |
| penguinbait | s/wich/wish | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | I know what you mean :) | 19:32 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: are you sure? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, I like little things like the blur when pressing the power button | 19:32 |
| disq | penguinbait: grats on the android stuff! ran into some problems with the postint script going like "./root/android-installer/..." instead of "/root/*" but after i fixed that it worked | 19:32 |
| RST38h | this thign is Java based and uses weird APIs | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: oh, of course - it's fb-based isn't it | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa, yes | 19:33 |
| penguinbait | yes, I like the lok and feel of it better that maemo/hildon | 19:33 |
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| penguinbait | of cource thats not saying alot, I like everything better :) | 19:33 |
| penguinbait | s/cource/course | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: it's Java-based but compiles to a more native bytecode | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: there is no "more native" bytecode. | 19:34 |
| RST38h | Bytecode is not native | 19:34 |
| whooper | bloody hell, the pictures'll have to wait-- i can't find my good (powershot a410) camera | 19:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone know a better x server for windows instead of xminge? And yes, I said windows. | 19:35 |
| Mousey | oh wow, android on nxx! | 19:35 |
| penguinbait | I use cygwin | 19:35 |
| Mousey | n8xx, even | 19:35 |
| zap | vmware is a better X server | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | I really dislike vmware :/ | 19:35 |
| Mousey | Xwindows is a better X server | 19:35 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | zap, btw, had any more luck with using OS2007 kernel's musb in diablo? | 19:36 |
| whooper | is there any way to switch between android and standard maemo-- I want to try and do some screen shots | 19:36 |
| zap | qwerty12: nope, it reboots soon after showing desktop | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Tell that to Intel chips running microcode. Anyway, I meant a more optimised bytecode for Android apps running in a custom VM. This is IRC, not a bloody lecture hall! | 19:36 |
| zap | I would debug it if I would have at least serial console, but... :-( | 19:36 |
| penguinbait | maybe running vnc server before starting? | 19:37 |
| zap | qwerty12: instead I ported the latest musb driver from kernel 2.6.16rc1 (montavista branch) and it works fine, but still g_ether doesn't like windoz | 19:37 |
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| zap | sorry, 2.6.26rc1 | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Microcode is NOT bytecode | 19:37 |
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| * RST38h of all people, should know =) | 19:38 | |
| qwerty12 | zap, Ah :(. Brilliant work nonetheless, best reasoning and work on the subject I've seen so far :) | 19:38 |
| zap | and the most useless... | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Does musb from linux-omap work any better? | 19:38 |
| zap | umm | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | You know, arm can run java bytecode "natively"... :P | 19:38 |
| zap | one time I even was able to connect N810 to Windows two times... | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Shadow: You can, true | 19:39 |
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| zap | with current kernel I never managed to do it more than once | 19:39 |
| zap | :) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | Shadow: If you license Jazelle (which Nokia did not for N8x0). And even then it is not blazingly fast | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: are there any benchmarks comparing Jazelle vs. various JVMs on ARM vs. Dalvik? | 19:41 |
| Andy80 | yes... Android on N810 would be a good thing.... if only N810 was a PHONE :( | 19:41 |
| Andy80 | uff | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: AFAIK, Jazelle-enabled JVM is ~3 times faster than vanilla version | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: This has been measured on SUN's SunSpot implementation for embedded devies | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :) | 19:42 |
| johnx | qwerty12, woo! | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Dalvik - I do not know, but it is *not* going to be comparable with native code performance in a general case. | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Because miracles just do not happen. | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | (It's funny, when I came here with my N800, I didn't know nothing about linux, now look at me, I'm fixing packages etc). Heh. | 19:43 |
| RST38h | "When I came here I had a life and now I don't!" 8) | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 19:44 |
| whooper | qwerty12: i love you! | 19:44 |
| whooper | are you going to share it in a nice, clean .deb package? | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | I'll leave the packaging to penguinbait :) | 19:44 |
| whooper | alright, then it's up to penguinbait-- ready the torches and pitchforks | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | Taps are a little hard to register, but the pointer test program is recognising my taps fine. | 19:45 |
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| whooper | what did you have to do? | 19:46 |
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| whooper | --to get touchscreen support working, i mean | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | Shift the android changes to the N810 touchscreen driver to the N800 one + a little change. After I've finalised everything, I'll post up all my patches. | 19:47 |
| whooper | schweet | 19:48 |
| whooper | any news on an OSK? | 19:48 |
| johnx | meh, just get out your usb keyboard and some tape :D | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | OSK probably no. I can't program and that is too much stuff for me. | 19:49 |
| whooper | johnx: i can't find my usb adapter D: | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | I could try but I'm not a framebuffer expert by any means. | 19:49 |
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| whooper | do you know where to add wallpapers? | 19:50 |
| whooper | the standard ones don't look great on the big screen | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not sure, i'll take a look for you. | 19:50 |
| whooper | thank you very much | 19:51 |
| johnx | also, check out shapewriter, I guess it's not really an input method so much as an app though | 19:51 |
| whooper | i will, brb | 19:52 |
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| whooper | oh, that's neat | 19:53 |
| whooper | interesting idea | 19:53 |
| lcuk_work | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 19:54 |
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| johnx | lcuk_work, died on keyboard? | 19:54 |
| lcuk | no johnx, day from hell | 19:54 |
| johnx | that'll be tomorrow for me | 19:54 |
| johnx | is your day from hell over at least? | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | whooper, no idea. best I could do is data\misc\wallpaper. Not sure if it is png or jpg but it opens fine. I'm unsure where the northern lights image is kept. | 19:54 |
| lcuk | and me, i didnt get the "minor" code change completed | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Bad Day at Work day in the UK today, evidently. | 19:54 |
| lcuk | ive been dealing with stuart code all day | 19:55 |
| whooper | alrighty, i'll give that a shot. thanks qwerty | 19:55 |
| whooper | trogdor will be my new firend | 19:55 |
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| * lcuk gives a tiny snippet of my feelings from the last time i went into this set of code: | 19:56 | |
| lcuk | '##this routine is horrendous. this entire import is horrendous. | 19:56 |
| lcuk | '##what the flying fuck is this code about? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | '##it is evil and nasty and a headfuck I have seen more logical assembler code. | 19:56 |
| johnx | urgh | 19:57 |
| johnx | what language? | 19:57 |
| lcuk | its vb, but thats not normally the issue | 19:57 |
| johnx | just wondering if it was something like cobol or somesuch | 19:57 |
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| johnx | lcuk, now you see why we linux guys keep our barriers to entry :) | 19:57 |
| lcuk | actually, thats not too far from the truth | 19:57 |
| eichi_ | damn, it doenst boot from mmc | 19:58 |
| lcuk | "stuart code" is named after stuart, an old cobol coder.. | 19:58 |
| johnx | oh man | 19:58 |
| lcuk | he loved array indexes :) | 19:58 |
| johnx | I can picture him now writing convenience functions in VB so he can use it more like COBOL | 19:59 |
| johnx | that would be pretty nightmarish I imagine | 19:59 |
| lcuk | johnx, ive seen lots of code in my life but i have never before seen anything so monolithically bad as this set of functions | 19:59 |
| johnx | I'm sorry to hear that | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | the xkcd wtfs per minute - i stopped counting | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | heh | 20:00 |
| * lcuk stops ranting now | 20:00 | |
| lcuk | thank god .net is here and it will soon be out of my hands :) | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | now, i think i should make myself feel better by looking at liqbase :) | 20:01 |
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| johnx | the polar opposite, the most gorgeous code conceived by man :) | 20:02 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, let us all relieve ourselves by looking at the liqbase code :p | 20:02 |
| johnx | I kinda misread that the first time | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | I know, I was thinking the same thing ;) | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Mrs Jaffa's doing spag bol for tea, though - and I'm planning on rewatching Saturday's Doctor Who now that the in-laws have left :-) | 20:04 |
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| qwerty12 | Eew, Dr Who. | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | I knows I gonna get burned for that, so I hide. | 20:04 |
| * Jaffa has to be in the office by 8am for a (politcally sensitive) video conference tomorrow, which means the 06:20 train. Tomorrow's not looking up. | 20:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | We all know you have no tastes, qwerty12, no need to hide. ;) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | meh, my tastes are fine, which is why I don't like Dr Who. ;) :P | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, oxymoron in there ;) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah . . . sorry, no. | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | Wiki buggered? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | I'd have to disagree ;) | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | Ah better | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a bit | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't buy ferenc's "I've been restarting mediawiki" explanation | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | unless he's restarting mediawiki several times an hour 24/7 | 20:07 |
| eichi_ | is there a bootmenu config file for the bootloader? | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | johnx, my code isnt quite upto the high standards stuart has set :) | 20:18 |
| lcuk | and qwerty12, hmm | 20:19 |
| johnx | well, you'll improve with time I'm sure | 20:19 |
| lcuk | can a person devolve? | 20:19 |
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| qwerty12 | chopping of their limbs? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | if thats the way to enlightenment, then stuart was a headless chicken | 20:20 |
| johnx | once you start making functions in python to let you code like it's 68k assembly you'll know you've reached the same level :) | 20:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles makes a chopping motion with his limbs in the air. | 20:20 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I don't think that works. | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, I meant, s/of/off/ | 20:20 |
| lcuk | johnx, i did it the other way round, i had a macro compiler for 68k | 20:21 |
| johnx | hmm...well, wow | 20:21 |
| whooper | for those who are running android on an n810-- in the web browser, can you use scrolling with the stylus | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 20:21 |
| lcuk | jesus, it is bad. even after homecooked tea im still worried about it | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | anyone tried fennec on a n810 | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | I think lots of people have :/ | 20:22 |
| Navi | I tried it on my N800 | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | the panning feels much slower than the panning of the built-in microb in diablo | 20:22 |
| Navi | It was total suck | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, svnsvnsvn???? | 20:22 |
| Navi | Bug qwerty12 about it | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I can't be arsed to try again | 20:23 |
| Navi | I don't even have a working SDK installed | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe I'll try when the microb team can be actually arsed to upload patches that apply cleanly! | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | heh, with the extras autobuilder you don't need an SDK :) | 20:24 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, doesnt that introduce a bit of lag with the build process though? | 20:24 |
| whooper | are there any robots here? | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | "a bit" is a bit of an understatement | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ;) | 20:24 |
| whooper | if so, please pay attentio to my next two statements | 20:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles does the robot. | 20:25 | |
| mgedmin | No. We're. All. Humans. | 20:25 |
| whooper | THE NEXT SENTENCE IS TRUE | 20:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Eew | 20:25 |
| whooper | THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE IS FALSE | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | the true thing is that Disconnect left, right | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | and the false thing is the Eew | 20:25 |
| * mgedmin muahahahahahhaas | 20:25 | |
| lcuk | mgedmin, you are faulty. a robot can not contract words. (data said so anyway.) | 20:25 |
| johnx | I'm with mgedmin | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: that is because I am successfully pretending to be hu-man. | 20:26 |
| * johnx is pretty sure he's a robot with how many times he's answered googleable questions | 20:26 | |
| mgedmin | err, disregard my previous message | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | I did not break my cover | 20:26 |
| whooper | lol | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, what is google? | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | these aren't the droids you're looking for | 20:26 |
| whooper | why don't you google it | 20:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles likes the google-exactly-the-question-that-was-asked game. | 20:26 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, it's the search engine behind: http://fuckinggoogleit.com :) | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | I haven't seen that pic in years :P | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | a google is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or similar | 20:27 |
| lcuk | ;) | 20:27 |
| johnx | that's a googol if I'm not mistaken | 20:27 |
| lcuk | "or similar" | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, That reminds me of that cheater on who wants to be a millionaire with that question | 20:27 |
| * lcuk coughs | 20:27 | |
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| whooper | heh | 20:29 |
| whooper | speaking of who wants to be a millionare | 20:29 |
| whooper | http://www.triple-tri.com/ttblog/media/blogs/triple/elephants.jpg | 20:29 |
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| whooper | hey penguinbait | 20:31 |
| penguinbait | I want to be a millionaire :) | 20:31 |
| whooper | where about are you in michigan? | 20:31 |
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| penguinbait | googleplex | 20:31 |
| penguinbait | currenty :) | 20:32 |
| whooper | seriously though, i'm in fort gratiot | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | I am about 1mile north of the palace of Auburn Hills on Lapeer rd( M24) | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | I live just south of Flint though | 20:32 |
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| whooper | okay, so a couple hours away | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | where is "fort gratiot" ? | 20:33 |
| whooper | outskirts of port huron | 20:33 |
| whooper | it's where all the stores and birchwood mall is | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198599#post198599 - Someone willing to answer that question sometime? I gtg now, bye. I'll start releasing fixed kernels some time. | 20:33 |
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| Atarii | booo | 20:34 |
| penguinbait | only 1 hour away | 20:34 |
| whooper | okay | 20:34 |
| penguinbait | I have a brother who lives in Richmond, I used to go to port huron for work, straight across 69 | 20:34 |
| whooper | where'd you work at? | 20:34 |
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| penguinbait | an IBM reseller, I am the residen UNIX guru :) I do all the presales hardware configuring | 20:35 |
| whooper | hehehe i could imagine that | 20:35 |
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| penguinbait | We just sold a $2,300,000 server | 20:36 |
| Atarii | lies, penguinbait is a jigalo | 20:36 |
| penguinbait | 64way P5 595, a beast | 20:36 |
| penguinbait | shhh dont tell | 20:36 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, so its vista ready then? | 20:36 |
| Atarii | lol | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just barely. | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | I want to play, turn it into a 64way linux system | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | I could recompile KDE in 5 minutes :) | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | it only has 750GB of RAM though | 20:38 |
| whooper | wowz | 20:38 |
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| whooper | oh, only 750GB! that must have ran like a snai | 20:39 |
| penguinbait | I dont know why they did not fill it with the full 2TB it holds :) | 20:39 |
| whooper | *snail | 20:39 |
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| Atarii | gibson | 20:39 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, why not 768GB, and is that metric GB or real GB? | 20:39 |
| vinilios | any updates on enabling opengl on n800 ? | 20:39 |
| penguinbait | Probably another 2 mil but hey | 20:39 |
| lcuk | vinilios, opengl is around somewhere. the question you should ask is have we got the powervr working yet | 20:39 |
| penguinbait | it was 768 actuall with half active | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, how quick does android run (i replied in the forum) | 20:40 |
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| Atarii | penguinbait who did you sell this to? name, address etc... | 20:40 |
| penguinbait | A large Bank in SW michigan | 20:41 |
| whooper | Atarii: that's confidential | 20:41 |
| penguinbait | and yes it is :) | 20:41 |
| whooper | E&A Credit Union? | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, you've got a point actually. I was able to speed up the screen refresh by pressing the power button and all the taps worked fine | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | whooper, he knows that. ;) It was a joke. | 20:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles spots qwerty12_N800. | 20:42 | |
| whooper | heh I know | 20:42 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, what does pressing the power button do? | 20:42 |
| * qwerty12_N800 says hi | 20:42 | |
| whooper | most people here know about the maemo world summit in berlin, right? | 20:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, just brings up the power menu | 20:42 |
| lcuk | so why would that work faster? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | whooper, :) yes | 20:43 |
| whooper | we should have one in the us for people who can't afford 3 grand for the trip+hotel | 20:43 |
| penguinbait | yes, but who has interest in going to Germany, least not I | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | OSiM moves around, doesn't it? | 20:43 |
| penguinbait | how about Bahama's ot Jamaica | 20:43 |
| whooper | how about Cancun-- It's nice there | 20:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, no idea, i just think it's causing the screen to refresh properly (remember, framebuffer is already messed up) | 20:44 |
| penguinbait | Now there is a trip worth winning :) | 20:44 |
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| whooper | Hotetur Hotel Beach Paradise | 20:44 |
| lcuk | how about the south pole: let the penguins have a look at mobile linux for a change | 20:44 |
| whooper | we stayed there-- longer walk, but quieter, nice beach + pools, swim-up bar, ect. we even got an ocean view at no extra charge | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ive really enjoyed it in germany whenever ive been | 20:44 |
| whooper | never been to germany | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'd like to go, to get me a dbox2 or dreambox :p | 20:45 |
| whooper | any ideas on the deal with wimax? from what i understand, it'll be a pay-as-you-go type thing, i.e. pay for a day, week, month, year, whatev | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xohm, you mean? | 20:47 |
| whooper | yeah | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | WiMAX comes from a lot of different providers. | 20:47 |
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| whooper | sorry | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | lat 37.01190 lon 111.53724 | 20:47 |
| whooper | ho ho ho ill find you now! | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | Thats where we stayed for last years vacation :) | 20:47 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets the ol ski mask ready :p | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | how, he hasnt told you which planet hes on | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | here is my house :) http://penguinbait.com/index.html | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | I need to get my gps tracker up and running again | 20:48 |
| eichi_ | someone has 800 widh diablo dualboot? | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the penguinbait mansion | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | actually we need an OPENGTS for maemo | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | no mansion there :) | 20:49 |
| whooper | nice, you went to china | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | eichi_ whats the prob? | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | lat 37.01190N lon 111.53724W | 20:50 |
| eichi_ | i tried it manually dont know, doenst work | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | forgot the north and west :) | 20:50 |
| eichi_ | hard to say there seems no boatloader log | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | no china for me | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | ready for the evil deb yet? | 20:51 |
| penguinbait | actually I have a tarball which is more configurable | 20:51 |
| eichi_ | that sounds better | 20:51 |
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| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20534 | 20:52 |
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| penguinbait | you can specify swap and fat size and setup up to two linux boot partitions per SD card, ext2 and ext3 are supported | 20:53 |
| eichi_ | is the bootmenu editable like grub.conf etc? or only make config, then make initfs then its uneditable? | 20:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in diablo, initfs can be remounted read/write | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | eichi_ try the readme in the intifs_flasher? . . . | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | heh, I have wimax internet but not N810 Wimax edition | 20:57 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, your work sounds good | 20:57 |
| eichi_ | i will try it | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | stationary wimax != mobile wimax | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | mine's stationary | 20:57 |
| whooper | do you live in canada | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | no, finland | 20:58 |
| whooper | ah | 20:58 |
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| ShadowJK | got an antenna the size of a small satellite dish on the outside of the house for it | 20:58 |
| johnx | and yet there are pccards that support stationary wimax AFAIK | 20:58 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, is there a problem doing it over wlan-ssh? dont want to hack the code with the pen... | 20:58 |
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| johnx | so will the n810 wimax likely not work at all with stationary wimax? | 20:58 |
| whooper | stationary wimax < mobile wimax | 20:58 |
| johnx | or will roaming just not work? | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | roaming doesn't work with stationary | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | that's for certain. | 20:59 |
| GAN800 | The n810w is 2.5GHz | 20:59 |
| GAN800 | and likely tied in fairly closely with Xohm | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 20:59 |
| whooper | i'd think that they (sprint) would let you connect to your own wimax-- if not, they can bet that someone would hack it | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | Wouldn't do me no good, it's on 3.5ghz here :-) | 21:00 |
| glass | lots of reasons to limit to their network | 21:00 |
| whooper | glass: monopoly is only good when you play the game | 21:00 |
| johnx | and yet I was under the impression the n810we would be carrier neutral except for the frequency | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | lot of the carrier-specific issues are technical, I think. | 21:01 |
| glass | whooper: they don't simlock phones for nothing, locking to their network would enable giving devices on subsidisation easier | 21:01 |
| GAN800 | frequency and mobile | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it's carrier neutral in the sense that other carriers are free to purchase them from nokia adapted to their wimax... | 21:01 |
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| johnx | I was pretty sure nokia would be selling them without a subscription, but I might be wrong | 21:02 |
| johnx | I don't remember where I heard that | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's PaYG | 21:02 |
| johnx | eh? | 21:02 |
| whooper | glass: they said nothing about subsidation when a price was announced | 21:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, wrong question, robot. ;) http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=payg | 21:03 |
| glass | whooper: and apple pretends iphone is 200$, doesn't matter that much | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3283 | 21:03 |
| johnx | like any good robot I rely on real, fleshy hu-mons for acronym disambiguation | 21:03 |
| whooper | we aren't talking about the iphone or apple-- we're talking about NITs | 21:07 |
| johnx | well clearwire is definitely using 2.5GHz and definitely selling pccards, so I wonder if the n810we will work in a non-roaming way on their pre-mobile wimax network | 21:08 |
| johnx | I may be very interested if I end up back in the Seattle area (or some other supported city) | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearwire is part of Sprint's alliance, no? | 21:08 |
| johnx | I think they actually have the majority ownership in "the network formerly known as xohm" | 21:09 |
| johnx | like 51% or so | 21:09 |
| johnx | or was that sprint? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | hu-man developers will be eradicated soon: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/07/02/1539252.shtml | 21:09 |
| johnx | but yeah, they're part of the same collaboration | 21:09 |
| zap | What parts of SDL were specifically tuned on N8xx? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | zap, they specially inserted code to cause screen display tearing. it took developers weeks to ensure the tears were just enough to annoy you :) | 21:11 |
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| whooper | any news on the N800 Android touchscreen patch? | 21:13 |
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| zap | lcuk: doesn't SDL support double-buffering? | 21:13 |
| zap | I mean, on n8xx | 21:14 |
| lcuk | yes, but what good does that do if you cannot get a whole buffer to the lcd in time for a complete frame? | 21:14 |
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| johnx | whooper, <qwerty12> YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :) | 21:14 |
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| whooper | johnx: please share | 21:15 |
| johnx | I don't have it | 21:15 |
| johnx | I was quoting qwerty12 | 21:15 |
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| whooper | oh, right | 21:15 |
| zs_ | Hi is there support for cairo on os2007? | 21:15 |
| johnx | I was pretty sure you were logged on when he said it though :) | 21:15 |
| zap | lcuk: you mean n8xx can't do 60Hz? | 21:16 |
| whooper | yeah, i just forgot | 21:16 |
| lcuk | zap what resolution | 21:16 |
| zap | full | 21:16 |
| whooper | 800*480 | 21:16 |
| johnx | can't do 30Hz at full | 21:16 |
| zap | the bus can't squeeze that much I presume | 21:16 |
| zap | do you know the bandwidth of the bus? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | no, 800*480 rgb data cannot be transfered in time | 21:17 |
| johnx | 18MB/s is the number I seem to remember, more or less | 21:17 |
| johnx | zap, if you hit the old posts on the maemo-developers list you can double check that | 21:17 |
| zap | 24.57fps | 21:17 |
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| zap | almost enough for video :) | 21:17 |
| johnx | right, assuming you can get it synced perfectly | 21:17 |
| johnx | no margin for error | 21:17 |
| zap | DSP shares the bus with CPU? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | zap, YUV data contains less data and is transferable in time, but the transfer is async so you still get tearing | 21:18 |
| zap | hmm, YUV12 is 16bpp afair | 21:18 |
| lcuk | but its a lot less: mplayer and the vid player use it already | 21:18 |
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| johnx | am I correct in understanding that there doesn't seem to me a mechanism for vsync currently? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | but then the cpu cannot decode video and audio in time, especially when you also note that running the dsp slows the cpu down | 21:18 |
| zap | johnx: even PCs don't have it | 21:19 |
| johnx | zap, I think they do better emulating it though | 21:19 |
| zs_ | is it possible to have cairo on os2007? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | zap, i have a program called liqbase. this is entirely YUV and gets the closest to rapidness around :) | 21:19 |
| zap | PCs have more raw power | 21:19 |
| zap | :) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | you can download and test various options | 21:19 |
| zap | cool | 21:19 |
| zap | where? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 | 21:19 |
| lcuk | watch the video first then grab it | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | there is also an image fullcolor blit routine that if you look closely shows the async nature of the framebuffer | 21:20 |
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| eichi_ | penguinbait, damn, your script doest it!!!! nice one | 21:20 |
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| inherited | d/whois denny | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | zap, ive been playing extensively with changing video modes and cpufreq settings and finding the best way to do practically tearfree fullscreen updates | 21:21 |
| lcuk | at 25fps 800*480 | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | :) | 21:21 |
| johnx | zs_, check out gronmayer.com/it for cairo packages | 21:22 |
| zap | thank you for this toy | 21:22 |
| zap | right what I need in the train :) | 21:22 |
| zap | ok have to run now, or the train will escape me :) | 21:22 |
| zap | bye all | 21:22 |
| lcuk | ok zap, have fun | 21:22 |
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| zs_ | johnx thanks :) | 21:22 |
| johnx | sure, gronmayer.com/it is a good place to check first. saves time. :) | 21:23 |
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| zs_ | johnx i didn't know about that page thanks a lot :) | 21:24 |
| johnx | no problem. glad to help | 21:25 |
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| eichi_ | i can umount and remount rw initfs? | 21:29 |
| johnx | just remount | 21:29 |
| johnx | mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs | 21:29 |
| johnx | IIRC | 21:29 |
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| eichi_ | its only needed while booting right? | 21:32 |
| inz | At least dsme is running from initfs, so you cannot umount it | 21:33 |
| whooper | is there any way to reduce/eliminate the delay when switching between songs? | 21:33 |
| zs_ | johnx, ok there is libcairo2 but i need it as well for my scratchbox, do you know how to install it? ;) | 21:34 |
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| johnx | zs_, with dpkg -i libcairo-whatever.deb | 21:34 |
| johnx | I wonder why everyone keeps telling new users on itt to use tar from the command line when xarchiver has been out forever :/ | 21:35 |
| lcuk | is it available on all systems? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | isnt it best to try to use lowest common denom | 21:36 |
| johnx | it's available on OS2008 | 21:36 |
| johnx | I think it's safe to assume most N8x0 users have that installed | 21:37 |
| GAN800 | Fewer steps | 21:37 |
| johnx | heh...not when it turns into a 10 post thread before they give up | 21:37 |
| lcuk | thats a different issue then! "why can't people give concise instructions which work in all cases" | 21:38 |
| zs_ | is it possible to browse available packages inside scratchbox? | 21:38 |
| johnx | zs_, you can get a list | 21:39 |
| zs_ | how? | 21:39 |
| johnx | something like: apt-cache pkgnames | less | 21:39 |
| johnx | press q to quit from that | 21:39 |
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| johnx | use dumpavail instead of pkgnames for more info | 21:40 |
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| johnx | lcuk, finally got around to trying liqbase...this reminds me of oldschool demos in a lot of good ways :) | 21:40 |
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| zs_ | hm there is no cairo :/ | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | johnx :) it is a technology demo at the moment, i wanted to see why i couldnt do what i wanted - but so far i can | 21:41 |
| johnx | zs_, did you download the .deb file and install it? | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | johnx, i'm building stuff ontop of it now and actually getting useful stuff out of - mind you i use it every day anyway so its useful for me | 21:42 |
| zs_ | johnx, i didn't, i don't know exactly from where and how :/ | 21:43 |
| lcuk | :) i wish there was a demo scene around to show us whats good about our device | 21:43 |
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| * lcuk remembers all the mega demos on the amiga | 21:43 | |
| johnx | lcuk, well, at this point it seems like you're it :) | 21:43 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 21:44 |
| johnx | I am just really impressed with how smooth you got this. video doesn't do it justice | 21:44 |
| * lcuk is state of the art | 21:44 | |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, last question...if i edit bootmenu.conf on /mnt/initfs only save file and it works after next boot? | 21:44 |
| lcuk | that makes me feel quite good actually :) i dont see the point in spending 300 for something that doesnt act like a tablet | 21:44 |
| lcuk | i dont want to run bloated old slow fat desktop ports of software i want to touch my tablet | 21:44 |
| lcuk | http://video.google.pl/videoplay?docid=4817692935112568050&q=State+of+the+Art+spaceballs | 21:45 |
| johnx | high speed display stuff has always seemed a weak point in embedded linux machines, especially those with high res displays | 21:45 |
| johnx | the VGA zauruses had the same problem | 21:45 |
| penguinbait | I have not tested, but in the past, you have been able to edit it right on the device, and I believe qwerty said that is the case | 21:45 |
| whooper | what do you guys think of openatownrisk.com? | 21:45 |
| penguinbait | I have not tested this version of initfs | 21:45 |
| whooper | the weird nokia viral marketing website? | 21:46 |
| penguinbait | but if you can edit it on /mnt/initfs, then yes | 21:46 |
| lcuk | johnx :) well im building a library of things together which should be able to handle changing thinking about it | 21:46 |
| lcuk | ive even considered building a greyscale x11 driver for nit which should run at fullspeed | 21:46 |
| GAN800 | Should be much better moving forward with OMAP3 | 21:46 |
| johnx | it will fly on the OMAP3 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | yer for about 10 minutes unless battery is updated | 21:47 |
| GAN800 | Wonderful, droolworthy OMAP3 | 21:47 |
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| johnx | OMAP3 should be more power efficient than the OMAP2 or so everyone says | 21:47 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, have you read anything about OMAP3. :/ | 21:47 |
| lcuk | more efficient? you mean it can run at fullspeed and still use less battery than current? | 21:47 |
| GAN800 | It's the same battery usage as OMAP2 at 2-3x the performance. | 21:48 |
| penguinbait | when will next gen devices be available? DEC08 or q1 09 or?? | 21:48 |
| lcuk | ive read lots gen, but nothing which puts it in real terms | 21:48 |
| GAN800 | penguinbait, my money is on December. | 21:48 |
| * lcuk iwll read more | 21:48 | |
| penguinbait | I am ready for my n900 | 21:48 |
| whooper | christma-- er, holiday season | 21:48 |
| whooper | also when people get bonuses | 21:49 |
| johnx | zs_, hang on, getting you a link | 21:49 |
| zs_ | johnx, i am trying download libcairo but which architecture should i choose (arm?) | 21:49 |
| eichi_ | someone knows mamona? | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | perhaps end of november, after last year fiasco, no pun intended | 21:49 |
| johnx | zs_, armel, yes | 21:49 |
| GAN800 | OMAP3 will have the same consumption rates as OMAP2 | 21:49 |
| lcuk | then hope they improve screen and wifi consumption then | 21:49 |
| zs_ | i got this package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | MEMORY, I NEED MEMORY :) | 21:49 |
| johnx | wifi consumption is approximately a ton better than just about anything else out there already | 21:50 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, one day i went to blackpool pleasure beach, i went on the big dipper and the grand national, then we went home | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | Who knows, I doubt it'll be more than 256. All other OMAP3 devices are 128 | 21:50 |
| johnx | running a wireless radio is just a power hungry application | 21:50 |
| GAN800 | johnx, yeah, lcuk just needs to get a real router. . . . | 21:51 |
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| penguinbait | 256 = better than 128 :) at least we would still be on an upward trend :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | johnx, i really never considered myself to be in the demo scene | 21:51 |
| * lcuk is still a bit shocked to realise that he is | 21:51 | |
| johnx | right from the splashscreen full of stars it feels demo-y | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | lcuk, are those euphemism's | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | no penguinbait, you said you wanted memories | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | ah | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | I was a tad confused :) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | you get that way when you become senile | 21:53 |
| penguinbait | Actually I said I wanted Memory, which is actually more room for memories (kind of) | 21:53 |
| lardman | how easy is it to call c++ code from c? | 21:53 |
| johnx | zs_, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.2/free/libc/libcairo/ | 21:53 |
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| johnx | zs_, go there, grab the highest version libcairo2 and libcairo2-dev for armel | 21:54 |
| penguinbait | I am not senile, more thanm likely just on drugs | 21:54 |
| zs_ | johnx, thank you :) | 21:54 |
| eichi_ | Nokia-N800-23-14:/mnt/initfs# mount | grep swap | 21:54 |
| eichi_ | Nokia-N800-23-14:/mnt/initfs# | 21:54 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, no swap? | 21:54 |
| penguinbait | free | 21:54 |
| practisevoodoo__ | when you are using the keyboard on the n810 there is this bar at the bottom of the screen that tells you when you are in caps mode and thats it | 21:54 |
| lcuk | lardman, not easily unless you want a completely encapsulated function, easier would be to translate your program to run in a c++ context and keep all your c code | 21:54 |
| practisevoodoo__ | is there anyway to turn this off, it is taking too much screen space | 21:55 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo__, in control panel | 21:55 |
| eichi_ | Swap: 262136 0 262136 | 21:55 |
| eichi_ | okay ^^ | 21:55 |
| penguinbait | :) | 21:55 |
| practisevoodoo__ | ok im in the control panel... | 21:55 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo__, text input settings, on screen and languages | 21:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: how annoying of people to write in C++ | 21:55 |
| eichi_ | but is this the same like the advanded memory in the control panel? | 21:56 |
| penguinbait | no eichi | 21:56 |
| practisevoodoo__ | i have "on-screen" and "languages" | 21:56 |
| penguinbait | That is swap file, you have swap partition | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, what are you tryign to do? is it something tiny that you could self translate to c or a big project | 21:56 |
| lcuk | languages/settings | 21:56 |
| lcuk | turn all that crap off | 21:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: reasonably big, barcode decoder | 21:56 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, oh, then i dont need so much swap ;D shit | 21:57 |
| practisevoodoo__ | ahhh ok, thanks | 21:57 |
| eichi_ | how much do you have? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | make your gstreamer cam reader a c++ projest | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | So if I used a file and partitioned it with and ext2 and SWAP partition, would it be a swap file or a swap partition? | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | heh | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | 196MB | 21:57 |
| eichi_ | okay, then 256 isnt sooo much | 21:57 |
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| penguinbait | No its fine, it will give you more time to find runaway processes :) | 21:58 |
| eichi_ | lol | 21:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, how about adapting the barcode reader into something which takes parameters of a saved or mmpped image? | 21:59 |
| eichi_ | but now i ask where all my internal space is | 21:59 |
| lcuk | or just get used to ++ :P | 21:59 |
| penguinbait | in root | 21:59 |
| * lcuk has moved to c++ for liqbase | 21:59 | |
| penguinbait | ( / ) | 21:59 |
| eichi_ | i did 1GB für maemo and 256 für swap, it says 1000 free | 21:59 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, I could run it stand alone and pipe data to it, but I'd prefer to have the whole lot in one binary | 21:59 |
| lcuk | ive dragged all the code in and tweaked the headers | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | ( o ) ( o ) | 22:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: perhaps I'll just rewrite the library | 22:00 |
| lcuk | the main code works nicely and i get the benefits(!?) of ++ for when i need them | 22:00 |
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| penguinbait | df -h (in xterm will show your filesystems sizes) | 22:00 |
| eichi_ | whaat / is 2.5 GB | 22:01 |
| eichi_ | i sayd 1024 | 22:01 |
| penguinbait | ??? | 22:02 |
| penguinbait | ypu cant say 1024? | 22:02 |
| eichi_ | Nokia-N800-23-14:~/install-tools# grep FAT INTERNAL.txt | 22:02 |
| eichi_ | FAT 1024 | 22:02 |
| penguinbait | FAT is not / | 22:02 |
| eichi_ | then i missunderstud | 22:03 |
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| penguinbait | It creates FAT and SWAP at specified sizes, then uses remaining space for ext2 partition (clone) | 22:03 |
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| penguinbait | FAT it the filesystem used to transfer files via USB cable, mmc1 and mmc2 | 22:03 |
| eichi_ | oh okay, shit | 22:04 |
| eichi_ | yes, now i understand | 22:04 |
| eichi_ | but i can change fat to ext3 after flashing, right? | 22:04 |
| penguinbait | So you could probably shink FAT down if you dont need it that big, or increase it by 1.5GB to shring OS space to 1GB | 22:04 |
| eichi_ | then i have to recreate initfs | 22:04 |
| eichi_ | i does no changes on the clone @the moment, i will re-run your script | 22:05 |
| penguinbait | if you have a working (edited version) of bootmenu.conf, just save it aside and after you update place it back | 22:05 |
| eichi_ | yes, i know, thanks | 22:05 |
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| penguinbait | you shouun uninstall and then reinstall | 22:05 |
| penguinbait | s/shouun/should | 22:06 |
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| * johnx sleeps | 22:06 | |
| Atarii | talking of installing fun.. can i have 2006 on the internal and 2008he on the mmc (on my 770) or will that kill it? | 22:06 |
| penguinbait | ?? | 22:06 |
| penguinbait | I really need a 770 for testing crap | 22:07 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, uninstall? | 22:07 |
| Atarii | i really need to upgrade my 770 so i dont have to test crap | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Atarii, only issue might be kernel. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure on that one, though. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush has kernel switching planned at some point | 22:08 |
| Atarii | ok guess ill have to give it a spin and hope for the best | 22:08 |
| eichi_ | penguinbait, there is no info for uninstalling | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | its a deb | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | oh sorry, I am slow today | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | no uninstall need with advanced edition | 22:10 |
| Atarii | just to be sure, after movinig 2008he to the mmc and installing the bootmenu initfs etc, do i use the linux flasher to just install the 2006 filesystem in internal? | 22:10 |
| Atarii | as in only use "--rootfs" for the internal part | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should work | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | anyone doing anything fun this weekend, its a three day weekend here in the states | 22:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles is driving home to be pestered by his parents. | 22:13 | |
| penguinbait | is home in FL too? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, home is the location in my itT profile. | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | School is more northerly. | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But in-state. | 22:14 |
| zs_ | damn, undefined reference to `gdk_cairo_create', any ideas? | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | Location: | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | St. Petersburg, FL | 22:14 |
| penguinbait | got it | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carpooling with 3 other people and a cat | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | should be interesting | 22:15 |
| penguinbait | hey at least you got your tablet | 22:15 |
| penguinbait | maybe find some catnip to bring along for fun | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola2 with NPR podcasts and Maemo Mapper makes for a great traveling companion. | 22:16 |
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| asedeno | Has anyone had problems tethering since upgrading to Diablo? I used to be able to tether my N810 to my Treo 755p with no trouble, but now it's not working. It still works for my laptop, so I know the phone half is still working. | 22:19 |
| asedeno | The treo acknowledges a connection, bluetooth icon becomes the bt-dun icon, but then the N810 reports the connection failed. | 22:19 |
| penguinbait | GA = 2.72 posts per day, I am only at 2.02 per day :( | 22:20 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:20 |
| lcuk | (0.22 posts per day) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i never fini | 22:21 |
| Atarii | lol | 22:21 |
| penguinbait | GA was: Thanked 897 Times in 514 Posts , I was only Thanked 460 Times in 173 Posts :( | 22:21 |
| penguinbait | I think my ratio on thanks might be winning though :) | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts | 22:22 |
| penguinbait | more thanks in fewer posts | 22:22 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think rm_you is winning overall for that: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | 110 Times in 14 Posts | 22:22 |
| lcuk | yer, rm_you posts pictures of beach thongs | 22:23 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 22:23 |
| asedeno | digging through logs, looks like acydlord was having the same problem. | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, I think I may have to hang up the hat once I hit 1000 Thanks, though. :D | 22:23 |
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| penguinbait | not too far away, that will give me some time to catch up :) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, :) you are genuinely an asset to have around the nokia tablets. i might not click thanks to you in the forums, but i find it remarkable how much you know and are involved in | 22:24 |
| Raytray | Hehe antilles. | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | ditto | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I kicked it in gear and picked up a bunch powering past handful when he passed me back around 300 | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been coasting for a while | 22:25 |
| penguinbait | who else can patiently answer idiots questions :) | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need another brawl thread to pick up some more. | 22:25 |
| penguinbait | not I | 22:25 |
| penguinbait | I get to mad at stupid people | 22:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes Raytray with a sharpened stick. | 22:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Like that one. | 22:26 |
| Raytray | :( | 22:26 |
| Raytray | Meanies. | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 22:26 |
| penguinbait | like this one | 22:26 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21524&goto=newpost | 22:26 |
| penguinbait | idgit | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me of helping them out. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | i might have a go at writing a fractal explorer for my nit | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/of/for/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: penguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me for helping them out. | 22:27 |
| penguinbait | GA is burning the candle at both ends :) | 22:27 |
| Raytray | Is there a limit system to thanking? ie: can't spam thank to a dozen guys in ten minutes or a dozen thanks to the same guy in three minutes. | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, all your sockpuppet accounts can't be too bad can they :P you argue with yourself and then login and thank yourself from all accounts :P | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohshi— | 22:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles runs away. | 22:28 | |
| penguinbait | hehe | 22:28 |
| Atarii | lol | 22:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles == Umptious/meanwhile. | 22:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Raytray, no spam limits. | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | on Thanks! | 22:29 |
| Raytray | Hehe. | 22:29 |
| penguinbait | I have truly enjoyed being part of the tablet community for 3 years, we need to have a party somewhere | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Texrat is more than enough evidence of that. | 22:29 |
| penguinbait | It would be nice to put some faces to some names (GA not included) | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would've been nice for that place to have been LinuxTag with time/money. | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | or OSiM with the same. | 22:30 |
| penguinbait | I know what his pastey white face looks like :) | 22:30 |
| penguinbait | <----------- Ducks | 22:30 |
| lcuk | maemo summit is where the party is happening | 22:30 |
| towo | LT sucks balls. | 22:30 |
| towo | Come to 25C3. ;) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | berlin september | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I keep meaning to pop that picture into photoshop and apply a color shift. | 22:30 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | 22:30 |
| penguinbait | Germany does not sound like a fun trip to me | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get myself lookin' like one o' these fellas. http://randommel.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/umpa-lumpa.jpg | 22:31 |
| towo | says the merkin. | 22:31 |
| penguinbait | :) | 22:31 |
| penguinbait | ah the original umpa loompa's | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | towo, the relevant part of LinuxTag was the Maemo session and meetup. :) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | theres a vid at the moment of an umpalumpa (or is he a leprachaun?) getting into a fight | 22:32 |
| penguinbait | much better that the new ones | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait, are there any others? :P | 22:32 |
| lcuk | linuxtag was great fun (apart from the 5minutes i was up) | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Willy Wonka is a staple of my childhood. | 22:32 |
| penguinbait | They re-did the movie with Jhonny dep | 22:32 |
| nn800n | p | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. | 22:32 |
| towo | GeneralAntilles: LinuxTag _still_ sucks monkey balls through a baby straw. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just not the same. | 22:32 |
| penguinbait | I liked the original WAY better | 22:33 |
| JamieBennett | maybe a dumb question but how do you include the .glade file when building a .deb file? My app installs to /usr/bin but where and how is the .glade file referenced? | 22:33 |
| penguinbait | Gene Wilder was great in that movie | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depp just isn't Gene Wilder | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love going back and rewatching Willy Wonka now that I'm older | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's so much more to appreciate. | 22:33 |
| penguinbait | I find myself wanting to click a thanks button :) | 22:33 |
| * lcuk makes up a quick thanks button with a paypal thing coded behind | 22:34 | |
| eichi_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f85q4gQNiQ&feature=related can someone say me, what he plays at 1:00 on maemo? looks very cool!!!! | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, all the new wiki plugins are in place https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Feri | 22:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles has an itch to watch Willy Wonka again. . . . | 22:39 | |
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| Andy80 | hi all :) | 22:40 |
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| Andy80 | just installed Android on my N810... it runs, but.... how can I connect to internet? Where is wifi settings? | 22:41 |
| Knirch | isn't this kind of the wrong channel to ask that question? :D | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, seeing as how the two people who got it running in the first place are both here, no. ;) | 22:42 |
| Knirch | true :D | 22:42 |
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| * mgedmin was interested for a while, but then saw the dreaded words "flash the kernel" | 22:42 | |
| penguinbait | Andy80, connect and then launch it | 22:42 |
| asedeno | re: bluetooth dun -- oddly enough, clearing my username fixed it. | 22:42 |
| penguinbait | sorry I know thats not real usefull, but thats all I got | 22:42 |
| Andy80 | penguinbait: thanks I'll try | 22:42 |
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| Andy80 | penguinbait: to exit Android, do I have to reboot device? | 22:43 |
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| penguinbait | yup | 22:44 |
| penguinbait | there goes the uptime :) | 22:44 |
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| snowmoon-work | WiFi... will it just use whatever the NIT would have used or is it locked to what you "booted" into? | 22:48 |
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| snowmoon-work | ^ was referring to andriod ( needs caffeine obviously ) | 22:49 |
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| keesj | JamieBennett: I guess you need to make sure the make install copied the file | 23:00 |
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| JamieBennett | keesj: Where does it copy it to? | 23:01 |
| JamieBennett | on the target? | 23:01 |
| JamieBennett | I have a perfectly working app that when run from the command line in its directory works great. After making a .deb I can't see where it picks up its .glade file from and its moaning about it | 23:02 |
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| keesj | try listing the content of the deb (dpkg-deb -c myfile.dev) | 23:03 |
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| JamieBennett | ah no glade file. Where should they be copied to? | 23:04 |
| JamieBennett | /share/applications/my_app? | 23:05 |
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| mgedmin | /usr/share/$myapp is the usual place, I believe | 23:07 |
| JamieBennett | that makes sense, thanks | 23:08 |
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| eichi_ | does the internal flash filesystem compress nearly 50%? | 23:10 |
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| smackpotato | free42 and numpty physics. do they work in the latest release | 23:15 |
| JamieBennett | numpty physics works ok | 23:15 |
| smackpotato | cool | 23:15 |
| smackpotato | how about free42 its in garage | 23:16 |
| JamieBennett | although I'm still terrible at it ;) | 23:16 |
| JamieBennett | don't know about free42 | 23:16 |
| smackpotato | its frikin dangerious its addicting | 23:16 |
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| JamieBennett | indeed | 23:17 |
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| smackpotato | I guess il reflash anyway | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Something broke the template :< https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task | 23:18 |
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| mgedmin | eichi_: I think that depends very much on the data | 23:21 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: i can kill quips from bugzilla | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill the chinese spambot one 3rd from the bottom? | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | "best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800" | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bugzilla spamming is a new one to me | 23:26 |
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| timelyx | quip spamming is *years* old | 23:27 |
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| timelyx | hrm | 23:28 |
| timelyx | can i not? | 23:28 |
| timelyx | ok, one sec | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody confirm that https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Ambox looks something like http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/wiki-broken-template.png ? | 23:28 |
| timelyx | The quip 'best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800' has been deleted. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 23:29 |
| timelyx | fwiw, i can see who posts quips... so if people need to be tracked or whatever... | 23:29 |
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| * timelyx considers creating a group for abusers | 23:30 | |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, yes, it looks similar, but the png has a big "You have new messages" thing in the middle | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, another wiki bug. . . . | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | timelyx, the police have a list like that as well | 23:30 |
| timelyx | The account has been added to the quips-abusers group. | 23:31 |
| timelyx | fwiw, that bit will appear on the user if the user introspects :) | 23:31 |
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| JamieBennett | More questions: I have #!/usr/bin/python2.5 at the top of a app and try to run it which doesn't work on the tablet (works in scratchbox). If I do a python app_name it works fine. Any idea's? | 23:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | what does python2.5 app_name do? | 23:36 |
| JamieBennett | works fine ! | 23:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hm, tried "#! /usr/bin/env python"? | 23:37 |
| zap | lcuk: does your program use YUV12 overlay? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, exectue attrib | 23:37 |
| lcuk | yes zap | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | doh, i think lcuk got it. | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | hand coded the all the rendering routines (points/lines/rects/fonts/blitting/images...) | 23:37 |
| zap | Is there a way to get hw scaling for rgb? | 23:38 |
| zap | Or just yuv | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | yes technically, though through sdl it doesnt appear to want to work, i havent looked as extensively though | 23:38 |
| zap | What means technically? | 23:38 |
| zap | Hw supports it, but hw doesnt? | 23:39 |
| zap | Sorry sw | 23:39 |
| lcuk | the lcd is capable of arbitary scaling up of a properly configured window | 23:39 |
| zap | Hmm | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | it kinda works and things can be made to do pixel doubling but its not as straight foreward | 23:39 |
| zap | This should be pretty handy instead of converting rgb to yuv just to get hw upscaling | 23:40 |
| lcuk | and from the basic testing i was doing i couldnt get stable refreshes and certainly not without tearing, but that may just have been lack of knowledge with sdl and the omapfb | 23:40 |
| zap | Pixel doubling is not what I mean | 23:40 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: ping | 23:41 |
| lcuk | yes i agree, but for what i need, rgb->yuv isnt an issue: vectors aree colors anyway, and the magic bit: jpeg images are internally YUV at correct resolution :) i should be able to load and display a jpeg faster than anything else on the system | 23:41 |
| crashanddie_ | I'll take for a pong | 23:41 |
| JamieBennett | sorry attrib? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | yes you do | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett, chmod +x | 23:41 |
| JamieBennett | it has +x already :( | 23:41 |
| JamieBennett | (thats what I thought you meant | 23:42 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, liqbase (sdl one) doesn't work with the android kernel | 23:42 |
| lcuk | where have you saved the .py file | 23:42 |
| zap | I mean upscaling , say , 320x240 to 800x600 | 23:42 |
| lcuk | dont expect it to - it uses hard wired offsets into the xvimage | 23:42 |
| zap | Like uqm does | 23:42 |
| zap | Oops, 800x480 | 23:42 |
| lcuk | i already know that and i even know how to change it, hang on a mo | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the android kernel sets framebuffer into automatic ;) | 23:42 |
| crashanddie_ | ok, just wanted to point it out | 23:43 |
| lcuk | / lcuk: damn all this time i have been calculating planes and offsets and sizes i could have used | 23:43 |
| lcuk | / properties from the XVImage itself. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | / what a plonker i am, ahhh well too late to adjust right now, that will come later | 23:43 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, :) i told you, im one step ahead ;) | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in my next kernel release, i 'm reversing that and getting penguinbait to switch to fb-update-mode :p | 23:43 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah yeah, so is your ego | 23:43 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:44 |
| * lcuk has spent far too long being on the trailing edge | 23:44 | |
| crashanddie_ | Btw, I'm sitting (lying actually) in a field of weed | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | weed as in getting high weed? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | hemp or weed | 23:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | define hemp | 23:45 |
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| chille | hello! | 23:45 |
| JamieBennett | If someone could take a little look I would be grateful, its my first .deb package. Works fine with python /usr/bin/mcurrency but not with /usr/bin/mcurrency but x is set for all. It can be got from - http://linuxuk.org/downloads/mcurrency/mcurrency_0.1.0-1_all.deb | 23:45 |
| lcuk | weed that doesnt get you high | 23:45 |
| chille | i have som strange problems with gdb | 23:45 |
| chille | i'm trying to debug an application, but it just craches | 23:45 |
| chille | gdb says: | 23:45 |
| crashanddie_ | oh | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hemp can eff off then :p | 23:45 |
| crashanddie_ | weed then :) | 23:45 |
| chille | Program terminated with signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. | 23:45 |
| chille | The program no longer exists. | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i want weed | 23:45 |
| lcuk | hemp is a very useful plant used in industry for rope etc | 23:45 |
| chille | and i can't do a backtrace | 23:45 |
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| chille | any ideas? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what are you doing in afghanistan | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | lol | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | crashanddie_, give me the address, i'll go to france for it :p | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | heh | 23:46 |
| timelyx | http://maemo.org/development/ | 23:46 |
| timelyx | oops | 23:46 |
| crashanddie_ | want gps coordinates ? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, interesting, apparently cmd-ctlr-r is "restore snapshot" and not "force reload" . . . . | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | okie :p | 23:46 |
| lcuk | zap, upscaling is normally 400*240 up | 23:46 |
| rm_you | JamieBennett: sorry for the basic question if this is obvious, but... do you have #!/bin/python at the top of your file? >_> | 23:46 |
| rm_you | that's all i can think of | 23:47 |
| rm_you | or, #1/usr/bin/python | 23:47 |
| rm_you | s/1/!/ | 23:47 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: or, #!/usr/bin/python | 23:47 |
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| rm_you | not sure where it is on the tablet | 23:47 |
| JamieBennett | rm_you: yes. I'm sure its obvious but I can't see it at the moment, another pair of eyes would be great | 23:47 |
| zap | lcuk: well uqm native res is 320x240 so it has to be upscaled to 800x480 | 23:47 |
| rm_you | JamieBennett: well, I haven | 23:47 |
| rm_you | haven't installed it, so i havent looked at the file | 23:48 |
| rm_you | thats just off the top of my head | 23:48 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty: lemme get a fix | 23:48 |
| lcuk | zap, no it doesnt - it can be nicely upscaled to 640*480 and leave yourself an aera for maemo updates, but it might be technically possible to use the same arbitary upscaling that xv uses, ive only heard about doubling being available for rgb | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | JamieBennett, sorry, but, wtf! it's in windows text format! :) | 23:48 |
| rm_you | ick, lol | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | how? I don't use windows | 23:49 |
| rm_you | poor python interpreter | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | All done under Ubuntu | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I can see #!/usr/bin/python2.5^M | 23:49 |
| rm_you | did you EVER open it on a windoze machine? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, you sure your xp hasnt tainted it :P | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | geany text editor | 23:49 |
| JamieBennett | rm_you no | 23:50 |
| rm_you | lol dunno then | 23:50 |
| rm_you | that could be the problem tho | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, pretty sure, yeah :p | 23:50 |
| JamieBennett | I'll edit it with vi | 23:50 |
| rm_you | you should do that anyway :P | 23:50 |
| * rm_you puts on his VI clergy gear | 23:50 | |
| JamieBennett | Urgh, how did that happen ! | 23:50 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, you could have tainted the file when you originally got it and geany is just keeping the original bits | 23:50 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:50 |
| crashanddie_ | just open it in a good editor that eradicates that bastard newline encoding | 23:51 |
| JamieBennett | I started in geany though, ah well, vi it is from now on | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I just use mousepad + gedit :) | 23:51 |
| crashanddie_ | vi when in ssh, gedit when in xwindow | 23:51 |
| rm_you | And the great VI said, let there be fast, highly robust text editing! And lo, its words became truth. | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 23:52 |
| * rm_you bows down before VI | 23:52 | |
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| JamieBennett | actually I hate vi, vim all the way | 23:52 |
| lbt | emacs | 23:53 |
| lbt | heathen | 23:53 |
| lcuk | feck you lot: notepad ftw! | 23:53 |
| lbt | all of you | 23:53 |
| JamieBennett | lbt: dont cuss on the channel! | 23:53 |
| lcuk | actually it fails pretty badly | 23:53 |
| ||cw | a good edit will keep the original newlines until you tell it to convert them | 23:53 |
| lbt | says the ^M man | 23:53 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:54 |
| lcuk | ||cw, this i agree with, and if jamie is as pure as he says that could explain where his problem comes from | 23:54 |
| JamieBennett | It's all geany's fault, I tried a new editor (recommended by a python 'friend'), crap bit of software! | 23:54 |
| JamieBennett | Hey, I was using kernels before the 1.0 release and you were in nappies still ;) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | right, tonight i am going to do some coding | 23:55 |
| * lbt thinks me too | 23:55 | |
| lcuk | ive been thinking about it for long enough | 23:55 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, i was doing hardcore asm coding before linus even started developing the kernel | 23:56 |
| * lbt has just been beating himself up with nested classes and visibility and friends - all for 'elegant' design... | 23:56 | |
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| JamieBennett | lcuk: oh I see you and raise you 6 full years of commercial z80 asm programming on a 8mhz powered board! | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ooh, fight! | 23:57 |
| JamieBennett | :P | 23:57 |
| lbt | TRS-80 ? | 23:58 |
| lcuk | me and my mum copied a basic program on a spectrum without switching it off (cos we didnt know how to save it :S) | 23:58 |
| * lcuk hardcore | 23:58 | |
| lbt | I built a half-adder on veroboard | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | ibt: our own hardware | 23:58 |
| lcuk | it took about 3 bastard weeks | 23:58 |
| lbt | And it worked!! | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | man, all I can see is a show of ages :p | 23:58 |
| crashanddie_ | well, time for coffee, back in a bit | 23:58 |
| lbt | didn't do much :( | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | coffee? ;) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, :) you actually win the battle | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | :P I ain't that old too (but I do a pretty cool job!) | 23:59 |
| lbt | I am :( | 23:59 |
| lcuk | work in a fridge factory? | 23:59 |
| zap | lcuk: it is ok that some funcs in your prog will SIGSEGV? | 23:59 |
| zap | or that's unexpected :) | 23:59 |
| eichi_ | http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ someone knows this? | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool | 23:59 |
| megabyte405 | I lose, but at least I own an Apple /// | 23:59 |
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