IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-07-02

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JaffaHmm. Trying to add an icon for my vim.desktop entry in the extras menu and instead of showing the icon, it's displaying a smaller version of the generic-app icon. Anyone seen that before?00:01
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qwerty12_N800Jaffa, what's the size (pixel wise) of the icon?00:09
JaffaDoes it do any scaling or does it have to be exact?00:10
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qwerty12_N800I'm looking at the skype-installer package, it has a 64x64 icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/skype.png and a 24x24 in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/skype.png. the menu item choses to display the 64x64 one and it does so successfully.00:13
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Jaffata. I was looking at mplayer and had no success copying it00:16
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JaffaHmm, no luck. Of course, the PNG file could be broken00:18
qwerty12_N800Don't mean to act noob, but was  gtk icon cache updated?00:19
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JaffaThink so. I'll double check00:20
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JaffaAha, --force seems to have done something. Not the right something, but /something/00:24
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lardmanbmidgley: ping00:27
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mgedminwindy here ...00:28
lardmanor indeed is there anyone about who is familiar with fixed point arithmetic?00:28
Atariiso does diablo fix the red pill bug in application manager, where you cant read the names?00:28
mgedminlardman: I about know what it is00:28
mgedminnot sure if that counts as 'familiar'00:28
* qwerty12_N800 runs00:28
* Jaffa is a little familiar00:29
lardmanmgedmin: I'm just wondering whether to keep the denominator factors(?) and left shift them all off at the end, or to do so after each multiply00:29
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Atariiwho was it that recompiled the applicaiton manager and removed the warning message?00:30
qwerty12_N800me, but it needs updating for the latest version00:31
mgedminlardman: wouldn't that risk overflow?00:31
mgedminalso, left shift? not right shift?00:31
lardmanmgedmin: yes on both counts00:31
Atariiqwerty12_N800 would you think the diablo app-man would work in chinook?00:31
lardmanshould be dividing/right shifting after the multiply00:32
qwerty12_N800Atarii, maybe after a lot of compiles. the diablo one uses newer apt.00:32
Atariiah right00:33
qwerty12_N800I once had it working in chinook using old apt and result was a bit ugly :/00:33
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Atariiwell i guess this is a good place to start developing, gives me a goal to aim for00:34
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m-voAtarii, if you just want to get rid of the legal notice dialog, hack the AM version in chinook.00:35
m-voThe sources are all there.00:35
Atariii want to fix the names thing mostly00:36
m-voahh, you mean where long versions truncate the names?00:37
Atariibut good idea, ill start with the legal notice, as qwerty can give advice if i go wrong :p00:37
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lbtis gio in diablo?00:37
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m-voAtarii, the package list is now done with a Cairo cell renderer, but the code around it has not changed much.00:38
m-voI think we even have it ifdeffed nicely so that you can see the changes00:38
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qwerty12_N800m-vo, just out of question, using osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked wouldn't affect ssu would it?00:41
m-vono, you will still get the updates00:42
m-vothe difference between the normal and the -unlocked package is only the style of dependencies: -unlocked uses >=.00:43
qwerty12_N800ah! oh, thank you00:43
m-voThus you get at least the official versions, but you can have higher ones.00:43
mgedminwhere do you get the -unlocked one?00:45
m-vofrom the "Nokia System Sofware Updates" repository.00:45
mgedmindouble cool!00:46
qwerty12_N800heh, i remember good times with that repo...00:46
m-voit's still there, we just don't update it everz week anymore.00:47
qwerty12_N800just out of question, how come ftd + nitro + sp-oops-extract was removed after adding the password?00:48
m-voqwerty12_N800, if you spread the information about -unlocked: there are two packages, one for N800 (rx34) and one for N810 (rx44).  People need to pick the right one.00:48
m-voqwerty12_N800, it was a mistake that they were there in the first place.00:48
qwerty12_N800m-vo, this was already spread when people were trying to install beta diablo :p :)00:49
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m-voTwo mistakes happened with perfect timing: the password wasn't installed, and a internal variant of the OS that we use for testing was released to the 'public' repo.00:50
qwerty12_N800m-vo, cannot deny I benefited from it. i stiill use ftd in the officialy released diablo00:50
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m-voThe second was my mistake, so I am happy that you benefit! :)00:51
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qwerty12_N800:) . if you can say this, was a fixed ftd-plugin-bme ever distrobuted?00:54
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m-vono clue, sorry.00:55
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* m-vo Zzzzzz00:58
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qwerty12_N800heh night, thank you for all the answers00:59
Tobathank you for all the questions.00:59
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m-cthank you qwerty12_N800 :)01:11
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qwerty12_N800m-c, np, but I forgot why :)01:12
lcuklardman, with your scaled integers, have you chosen a fudge factor yet?  did you identify the required domain01:13
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lardmanlcuk: not especially, I think I'll just use Q15 for the floating point stuff01:16
lardmanlcuk: then the DSP will be happy doing 16x16bit->32bit multiplies01:17
lcukit will, and you should shift back down after each multiply operation01:17
lardmanlcuk: DSP also does that01:18
lcukthis is unfortunately where the error ends up01:18
lcukdsp does shift, or full automatic scaled integer math?01:18
lardmandsp will do Q15 x Q15 with a shift01:19
lardmanin a single intrinsic01:19
lardmanso will stick with that and see what the error is like01:19
lardmanit also does saturation in the above multiply01:19
lcukfor years and years i was used to using fixed point math to do fractal calculations01:20
lcukyou get "near enough" for most cases01:20
lardmanI've never had to think about it before :)01:20
lardmanit's simple, until you start thinking about the errors (but then floating point has the same problems)01:21
mgedminwhat's Q15?01:21
lcukyer, it took me a while reading the fractint code and book01:21
lcuk15 fractional bits01:21
lardmanmgedmin: fixed point format, Q15 = fp * 2^1501:21
mgedminwhat does the 'Q' stand for in the name?01:22
lardmans/Q15 = fp * 2^15/Q15 = round(fp * 2^15)01:22
lcukwikipedia doesnt know it just says the "Q" prefix01:22
* mgedmin last saw fixed point formats like 16.16 or 8.2401:22
lardmanmgedmin: yeah same thing, it's Q0.1501:23
lcukactually, it does :D theres a whole article on it01:23
mgedminsurely 1.15?01:23
mgedminwhat happens to the bit that's left over?01:24
lardmanno, Q15 = Q0.1501:24
lardmansign bit01:24
lardmanI think01:24
lcukthats why its not q1601:24
lardmanStill doesn't say why it;s called 'Q' :)01:24
lcukappendix a2 specifies the Q format used on your dsp01:27
lcukif its ours01:27
Mouseywhat was it that had all the checkboxes for the LED notification?01:27
lardmanlcuk: no, ours is c5501:27
qwerty12_N800Mousey, the display control panel01:28
lardmanlcuk: No issues with the Q format though; just why the Q?01:28
lcuklardman :) close enough then: the q format appears to hjave come from ti though as a descriptor for the shifted format.  still no idea as to where it came from01:29
lcukor rather why..01:29
lardmanquotient perhaps01:29
lardmananyway, bed time, will have to pre-process the coefficient tables tomorrow and see if the code runs :)01:30
lardmanwell it will run, see if it spits out the right noises :D01:30
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lcukqwerty12_N800, :P thanks, ill package the next one01:32
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lcukqwerty12_N800, even a tar wouldnt help folks copying to mmc01:33
qwerty12_N800True, but then, that's their fault :p01:33
qwerty12_N800ultimate way is to make a deb but i'd say that's premature for a test version of a program :)01:34
mgedminnot necessarily01:34
lcukmy thoughts exactly01:34
lcukdoes it run ok on peoples computers by the way01:34
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Capn_Fishjohnx: You here?02:07
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Mouseyso now diablo doesn't do the wonderful thing with the mail icon anymore? =(02:48
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Grackle_When I try to install openssh-server (or openssh-anything), I get the error "Unable to install openssh-server," before it even starts downloading. Any idea why this happens?05:23
Grackle_That's in chinook, by the way.05:23
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Grackle_Oh, can anyone share with me the repositories used in the maemo sdk vmware appliance?05:26
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Grackle_oh yay it works in diablo05:35
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Grackle_Well, I think it works. I don't remember key generation taking this long.05:37
Grackle_Ah, there we go.05:37
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Grackle_Niice. It has tar. And tar works.05:56
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Grackle_Yay. *makes gforth on his N800*06:06
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* GeneralAntilles makes a note about osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked.06:18
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GeneralAntillesProbably somebody needs to get on this: :\06:25
EruditeHermithey, so does android work with n800 touchscreen?06:25
NaviWhenever someone sees the N800, they think it's a phone :/06:29
EruditeHermitno there is an android port06:31
EruditeHermitfor it that PB worked on06:32
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NaviNah, I wasn't saying anything in relation to what you said06:38
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nn800nwait it's not a phone?!06:52
nn800nthat's be a good wallpaper06:52
nn800nNOT A PHONE06:52
nn800ngiant letters06:53
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skiburwhat is the pc version of numptyphysics?07:38
jacques_same I think07:38
jacques_I compiled it on my laptop the other day07:38
jacques_oh, do you mean windows version?07:39
skiburno for linux07:39
jacques_ok, I compiled the source on my laptop and it works07:40
skiburfrom here?
jacques_I checked out the svn tree07:42
skiburo ok07:43
* skibur is giving ubuntu a try07:45
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skiburwhat did you do to compile it?07:57
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KyrubasSo out of curiosity, has anyone here gotten python2.5 working on Diablo08:20
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johnxyes, I think so. it's a canola2 dependency, isn't it?08:20
johnxyup, installed and working here08:21
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Kyrubasit's a dependency for many things08:24
Kyrubashmm, I'm begining to think this shouldn't be as troublesome as it is being08:24
KyrubasIf you don't mind me asking, how did you get it to install?08:24
johnxI enabled maemo Extras, set the distribution field to chinook and installed canola208:24
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skiburWorks for me too08:28
Kyrubasah, ok, I remember going to that section, but I didn't set the field to chinook when I did08:29
Kyrubasbut now that that is done, it might work for me now08:30
johnxor you can just run apt-get install python2.5 as root08:30
Kyrubasoddly enough that was the first thing I tried and it failed on me :/08:33
GeneralAntilles"Failed" how?08:33
GeneralAntillesTry an "apt-get -f install"?08:34
SargunI need openssh for Diablo08:37
johnxjust use the one for chinook08:37
skiburopenssh on diablo works for me too08:38
skibureasiest way to get root08:38
johnxah, is openssh in diablo extras now?08:38
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johnxnevermind my earlier comment then :)08:38
skiburneed to go to bed08:40
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qwerty12Hi, I'm looking at a diff and and applying it manually. Iis an // part of the patch, i.e I have to make a change to the line when I see // (just like I have to remove a line when I see - )08:55
zapAnybody knows what the Nokia' X11 extension XSPSetThumbPressure() does?08:56
zapqwerty12: what's the question?08:57
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qwerty12You know in diff files, if you are applying them manually, if you see a "-" in front, you remove that line in the file etc. My question is that does a "//" signify anything like that?08:58
zapdo you mean the line in .diff file begins with // ?08:58
qwerty12Oh, sorry, I just remembered they are comments.08:58
qwerty12Thanks for the help.08:59
zapthey are comments in C++08:59
zapit's not valid diff syntax though08:59
johnxqwerty12, congrats on the android patches :D08:59
qwerty12johnx, Thanks! I'm currently porting the N810 only touchscreenfix to the N800's touchscreen driver. Doesn't seem to be hard (so far...) :)09:00
zapit's either somebody accidentally removed + or - in front of //, or the person who did the patch inserted a comment under // himself, but then I don't see why - usually people insert plain comments at the beginning of the diff09:00
johnxcould be context, right?09:00
johnxif it begins with a space09:01
qwerty12I just got confused because I saw "+//idev = android_idev;" and I thought why would you want that commented.09:01
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zapexactly, the patch author commented that line09:01
johnxaah, right, I assume the patch comments out old code09:01
johnxprobably preceded by - idev = android_idev;09:02
jottqwerty12: could you provide a diff of your ported patches?09:02
zapis android x11 based?09:03
jottugh.. those postinsts in the android debs look *evil*09:03
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qwerty12jott, I plan to :). Except I just need to repack a clean kernel source because atm, I'm applying a patch and then replacing files by hand.09:04
johnxzap, nope. it writes directly to the framebuffer09:04
qwerty12Yep, framebuffer.09:04
zapback to stone ages09:04
* jott will install android manually09:04
qwerty12I'm surprised no one has complained about maemo being much slower.09:04
zapit implements his own widget set?09:04
qwerty12The android .config insisted on automatic framebuffer and we know the speed of that >.<09:05
qwerty12I need to turn it off and get penguinbait to use fb_update_mode.09:05
jottzap: android is quasi-java based with its own windowing/widget toolkit09:05
qwerty12The history menu in android beats the microb one any day.09:06
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jottis the android image based on m5 or is this older?09:06
jottthe blog screenshots look like an old version ;)09:06
qwerty12From what I remember, it's the old one. The latest won't boot.09:06
jott~curse google for not giving the android source09:07
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, google for not giving the android source !09:07
qwerty12And it never will do. Nokia seriously sucked some hard balls over the decision of the multimedia hardware.09:07
qwerty12"m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. "09:07
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zapah, it's not even opensource09:08
qwerty12Some of the best bits of maemo aren't :/09:08
johnxit will be open sourced09:08
jottit is *supposed* to be opensource but at the moment its a false promise09:08
zapthen I don't see why one would lose his free time on this09:08
infobotjohnx meant: android will be open sourced09:08
infobotzap meant: then I don't see why one would spend his free time on this09:09
johnxpeople like hacking on stuff09:09
johnxbut after a little bit of hacking I felt the same way09:09
jott looks saner than copying the data to some app dir..09:09
johnxyeah, android will probably be a nice platform for phones09:10
zapso at the moment Android is open promise software :)09:10
jottzap: heh exactly ;)09:10
qwerty12jott, I think you need an ssh to do that09:10
jottqwerty12: where is the problem with ssh? ;)09:10
jottyou could probably also do this on the terminal..09:11
qwerty12None, but I don't feel like connecting my N800 to the computer to install an app. That's one of the things I love about linux and my N800, I don't have to be tethered to a computer like my PocketPC.09:11
GeneralAntillesWhat's the explanation behind this error? "W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )" Should I bother filing a bug on it?09:12
jottqwerty12: yeah well i bet this would also work in a chrooted xterm session on the device09:12
qwerty12Well, if you can get out of the android chroot without a reboot ;). Also, when I was playing with it on my N800, I don't remember seeing a console.09:13
qwerty12BTW, thanks for the rotation patch, it applies fine to diablo kernel.09:14
jottqwerty12: before starting android you have to install the stuff i guess.. well it's all a big hack anyway09:14
qwerty12BTW, lshal says my touchscreen on N800 is TSC2301. This means I should be modifying drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2301_ts.c right? (dumb question but I don't know with kernels :P)09:15
jottGeneralAntilles: the repos and are password protected09:16
qwerty12I'd have thought that the password would have been removed by now.09:16
jottqwerty12: sounds reasonable ;)09:16
qwerty12Ah well, my changes applied to it. Time to recompile and see if my touchscreen works too.09:17
qwerty12I feel so dirty compiling linux kernel under windows. :(09:17
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jott hah nice one ;)09:20
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qwerty12Oops. . I think I compiled the shipped kernel like that too...09:30
johnxI guess if it works it doesn't matter09:31
* johnx remembers running into ... issues after an unclean patch to ide.c09:31
johnxafter the clicking died down and I pulled the plug the drive worked ok though O_o09:32
jottheh well ide is a bit more sensitive than touchscreen ;)09:32
* GeneralAntilles is finally getting around to moving his Diablo install to SD.09:34
qwerty12Heh, I once "obtained" an game for my dreamcast and when I would put it in, the dreamcast used to go crazy. I think the GD-Rom drive was possesed by woody the woodpecker.09:34
jottGeneralAntilles: yeah good idea, mine still has this dead chinook install on it..09:35
* qwerty12 head kills. Too much sleep-deprivation.09:36
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qwerty12Ok, to set the framebuffer back into manual (kernel wise, I don't mean in maemo where I would then use fb_update_mode), I change "# CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE is not set" to "CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y" in .config right? Any other changes needed?09:40
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jottqwerty12: you can set this at runtime via ioctl09:42
qwerty12I know that :)09:42
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qwerty12ah fcuk it, I'll change it to yes anyway. having it on auto is just too slow anyway.09:44
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qwerty12Hmm, I really need an opinion on this one:
qwerty12If that works, I could try making the latest run.09:54
jottnope, we have the crappy epson lcd controller with only 1mb memory09:54
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you have an overview of your linuxrc changes for bootmenu up somewhere?09:55
GeneralAntillesand I should be able to mount the Diablo initfs rw, right?09:55
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I have it in a initfs.jffs2 image which I am unable to mount because I am under windows.09:56
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qwerty12In theory yes. Give me a sec.09:56
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jottmorning hrw09:56
hrwGeneralAntilles: mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw09:56
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Which changes are you interested in?09:56
GeneralAntillesAh, thanks, hrw. :)09:56
GeneralAntillesJust the color inversion.09:57
hrwI removed printing of r&d infos09:57
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Oh. I replaced my half arsed job with KotCzarny's mod. But his website is gone now :/09:57
qwerty12If you still have that file I sent you a long time ago, you can use a text comparision program on it. It's how I "ported" KotCzarny's mod onto the diablo initfs's when I used to rip them.09:58
* jott needs to setup a uclibc toolchain to compile stuff for the initfs :)09:59
qwerty12I hate that stuff >.< . I remember trying to compile a ulibc toolchain for my router >.<09:59
hrwthats why I like OpenEmbedded09:59
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hrwswitching uclibc/glibc is a matter of one variable10:00
qwerty12Cool. Bye.10:00
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* jott hands hrw the magic wand to force nokia to use oe :)10:00
hrwjott: I would rather force them to use Poky (which is OE based) because thats what I am working on10:02
jotthah yeah infecting nokia with more GPL stuff :)10:03
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* RST38h would prefer that Nokia finishes sb210:26
RST38hDon't want to deal with *another* SDK and its quirks10:26
DekaritaeI need a keyboard driver10:27
DekaritaeFor a USB keyboard, with a Fn key10:28
johnxdoes it work at all?10:28
DekaritaeThe current driver in Diablo doesn't "see" the Fn key and so it acts like the key is always held down, rendering the right half of the qwerty area unusable10:28
johnxnot a driver issue. that sounds like a keymap issue10:29
johnxanyways, AFK for a while10:29
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zappppis there any way to disable maemo's icd daemon?10:40
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hrwI would like to have 'rather useless experirements' section for packages like PackageView10:54
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|tbb|could anyone tell me how this agps on n810 will work under diabolo, my fix is not faster for my opinion10:58
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GeneralAntilles|tbb|, Nokia has a beta labs page up.10:59
hrwheh... SSU check only user/ pacakges11:02
hrwapt-get said '27 upgrades'11:02
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: what does this means?11:06
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icefoxJust curious, how much goes into porting the qt4 apps?
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vegaiI'm curious whether Nokia is working on replacing the desktop with qt4 something11:11
hrwnot for next release11:12
hrwaccording to Quim talk on linuxtag11:12
GeneralAntillesvegai, no.11:12
GeneralAntillesGTK isn't going anywhere anytime soon.11:12
JaffaMorning, all11:12
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EruditeHermithey, has anyone got this when installing android: cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/': No such file or directory11:16
EruditeHermitif so, how did you work around this11:16
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* Jaffa ponders a talk on using mud to port packages and manage your source bundles for the Maemo Summit11:29
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X-FadeWhat's up?12:32
lcuk:) nothin major, just the daily grind12:32
lcuki occasionally need to release. im digging through legacy code here and its melting my head12:33
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eichi_some people use dualboot on this nxxx ?12:55
eichi_does this work anymore?12:55
GeneralAntillesWorks fine. . . .12:56
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eichi_ this one?12:59
GeneralAntillesJust use penguinbait's deb
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eichi_GeneralAntilles, this sounds strange13:09
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eichi_does it use ext3 or damn vfat? what about a 4GB sd card?13:09
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hendryto get sshd running diablo, do i need to do that red pill crap again?13:15
GeneralAntillesEr, when did you ever need red pill for SSH? :\13:18
GeneralAntillesand why not just install it and find out?13:18
hendryah, i think you just need to enable the repo :)13:19
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hendryErr diablo/release Packages 302 Found13:31
hendryFailed to fetch  302 Found13:31
eichi_i will do boot menu by hand. this strange deb package looks not nice13:31
hendryisn't 302 found a good thing?13:31
eichi_using a deb package for partition is evil enought13:31
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pupnikAnd if i wear apathy's crown13:45
pupnikdon't call me highness13:45
pupnikit's a long13:45
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pupniklcuk_work: any luck with that little money transfer?13:46
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zappppcould someone help me with internet connectivity related problem?13:51
zappppI would like to disable ICd while I'm using ad-hoc network because I don't want to connect automatically to another network if for example user open browser13:53
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zappppi tried to directly kill the daemon with kill icd but it makes my tablet to reboot13:54
zappppis there some way to block connectivity daemon from opening new connections?13:57
pupnikgood question13:58
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X-Fadezapppp: off-line mode?14:00
timelesshello world14:00
*** timeless changes topic to " | Diablo Released! | | Maemo Summit: | Create the new logo: | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st:"14:00 should be live *now*14:00
timelessplease uninstall the dns package if you have it :)14:01
timelessnote that it's a slightly dated version of mxr, i'm trying to merge a newer upstream now to pull in fixes... but merging is hell14:01
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timelessway too many branches14:01
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hrwApplicationManager should show from which version to which version it does upgrade14:02
hrwwithout having to go into details view14:03
timelesshrw: file a bug :)14:03
X-FadeOr submit a patch. I'm sure they will accept it.14:03
timelessanyway, it'd be nice if people started hitting mxr :)14:03
timelessx-fade: i wouldn't bet on that :)14:03
* sp3000 hits mxr14:03
timelessthere's a specification against it :)14:04
* sp3000 got an error message about httpd_conf or somesuch on the first attempt14:04
sp3000seems to be fine now14:04
X-Fadetimeless: Well, I talked with Marius about doing experimental things in a branch.14:04
sp3000why does experimenting on a branch make me think of something about "... sitting in a tree, ..."14:05
hrwtimeless: ;)14:06
GeneralAntillestimeless, look awesome. :D14:06
pupnikoh awesome awesome awesome
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timelessgan: please fix up to advertise it :)14:09
timelessi'll blog about it sometime later today i guess14:10
timelessi need to try to merge it first14:10
timelessoh brother14:10
timelessi suppose listing os2008 above diablo is kinda stupid isn't it? :(14:10
timelessoh, and i'm kinda out of disk space, so some things aren't current (the garage tree is in a half state because i needed 22gb or so and didn't have it)14:11
timelessbut i doubt most people will be using garage right away14:11
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timelesshrm, does even mention diablo?14:15
X-Fadetimeless: They call it Maemo 4.1 probably?14:16
timelessx-fade: where?14:16
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GeneralAntillesYes, it mentions Diablo.14:17
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crashanddie_I tried installing Android, but don't get any shortcut in the extra menu14:44
pupniksounds like one of my packages14:45
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crashanddie_I followed penguinbait's post on the forum14:48
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crashanddiecould anyone try to help me out for android ?14:55
pupnikpm penguinbait maybe14:57
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pekujaanyone know where I could find some info on making my own initfs / modifying the original?15:00
eichi_what about the diablo release..i heard, that i dont need much different repositories anymore?15:03
eichi_will nokia maintain now all on the extras repo?15:03
pupnikall programs compiled by everyone on the planet?15:05
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crashanddieheya lcuk_work15:06
crashanddiethe other one, too15:06
eichi_pupnik, you got only tue common packages like pidgin, etc.15:07
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: ping?15:08
crashanddienot so much for table tennis15:09
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lcuk_workdid someone set off the bat signal?15:15
crashanddiebat signal ?15:15
lcuk_workyer, i can see my house from here at work and i can see xchat flashing above my location15:16
* lcuk_work will never give up his window office seat15:16
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crashanddieyeah, I might have highlighted you15:16
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crashanddie(crashanddie) heya lcuk_work15:16
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crashanddieoh, is that so ? No route to me ?15:17
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lcuk_workcrashanddie, you will have to let me know how good android is15:20
crashanddieif I get it working, sure thing15:20
lcuk_workso far excellent, it does nothing very quickly15:20
lcuk_work++++++ would install again ;)15:20
GeneralAntillesrm_you, pong.15:22
lcuk_workrm_you, hes right: have a bath15:23
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping.15:24
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, wow, you're in bullet time my friend... 14 minutes ping15:24
GeneralAntillesWas at the grocery store buying foods. :D15:24
lcuk_workthats TCP for you :) at least the packet got though (yes, i know pings dont use tcp)15:24
crashanddieYOU EAT ?15:24
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Pong.15:24
crashanddielcuk_work, do you have a mic ?15:26
crashanddielcuk_work, at home, that is15:26
JaffaGrr. Bad day at work.15:26
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crashanddieI'm a noob15:27
lcuk_worklol jaffa, wont beat mine.15:27
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lcuk_workcrashanddie, ive got an 810 :) its got cam and mic, why15:27
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, stick a paragraph or sentence about MXR somewhere in ?15:27
crashanddielcuk_work, I'm on a small radio show15:28
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crashanddielcuk_work, basically it's just a few mates cocking about tech stuff all around15:28
crashanddielcuk_work, it's not like we have a big audience, but still, it's fun... Wanna hang out ?15:28
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GeneralAntillesand it'd likely be worthwhile to get a News announcement together.15:28
crashanddie(well, not immediately, it's around 8PM your time)15:29
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lcuk_workhmmm crashanddie doesnt sound like my cup of tea15:29
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, did you finish those TPS reports?15:29
GeneralAntillesOh, and delayed congratulations, Jaffa. =)15:29
lcuk_workand jaffa, make sure you put a cover sheet on each one15:30
crashanddielcuk_work, k :)15:30
* lcuk_work doesnt like the sound of his own voice15:30
crashanddieyeah, I don't like your voice either, but could be fun :D15:30
crashanddie(you asked for it :P)15:30
GeneralAntillesI love that piece of acsii. . . .15:31
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GeneralAntillesNow a little from the other hand! ..|.15:31
crashanddieandroid works15:32
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lcuk_workits not touch based is it15:32
crashanddieit is15:32
lcuk_worki thought it was geared to be usable on none touch devices (though obviously i was wrong and where touch is available its usable)15:33
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lcuk_workRIGHT, BACK TO THE GRIND15:35
lcuk_workCYAS LATER15:35
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ta :)15:37
Atariii want android on the 770 :(15:38
* Jaffa is seriously considering strangling someone... everyone..15:38
crashanddieandroid is going to need heavy speed optimizations if it wants to be usable15:38
GeneralAntillesJaffa, that'd be one way to get the rest of the day off. :D15:38
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florianAtarii: why?15:42
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timelessgan: heh15:44
X-Fadeflorian: You seem to be on the access list for #maemo, can you please add me there too?15:44
Atariiflorian why not :p15:46
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pupniksecurity buffs.  do not buy any recent laptops.15:49
pupnikpre-centrino is the only safe hardware, afaik15:50
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florianX-Fade: I am?15:51
crashanddielcuk_work, afaics, it's dog slow, quite unstable, but looks promising15:52
X-Fadeflorian: Is this you? *!n=fuchs@dns.kernelconcepts.de15:52
crashanddielcuk_work, I love how the browser doesn't lock up while browsing, even though it's loading, you can still move the page about with the stylus, same with maps, they seem to have great load balancing features15:52
florianX-Fade: Looks like me, indeed...15:53
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X-Fadeflorian: It seems all others dropped off the map, so I want to put some new names in that list.15:54
X-Fadeflorian: And I have already filed a form for freenode, but that can take a while ;)15:54
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florianX-Fade: Last time I did it took ages... even filing the form three times15:55
crashanddie"but that is going to take a while" <-- fixed15:55
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X-Fadeflorian: Yeah, that is why I try the shortcut ;)15:56
florianhrm, looks like I need to fix our gateway machine first :-/15:57
X-FadeAw :(15:58
florianX-Fade: I have to take a look at this issue anyway, but I can't do it right now.15:59
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GeneralAntillesHe's getting ready to impose his will upon us. :D16:00
pupnikscott horton interviews Dr. Gareth Porter and Seymour Hersch.................................
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jottX-Fade: "Toni" is registered as founder and he still seems to be on freenode, maybe ping him?16:01
eichi_what can i do with boot menu at the moment? kde? debian? and?16:02
florianX-Fade: Oh wait, the gateway is fine - DNS is broken16:02
florian~lart qsc16:02
* infobot whacks qsc with a giant beaver's tail16:02
hrwAtarii: 770 is armv5te device so it should be able to run android16:02
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jottX-Fade: he could probably also set others +F...16:03
X-Fadejott: Hmm indeed, I somehow missed that.16:03
florianX-Fade: I colleague just seem to have noticed this too, he talks to the network provider right now :)16:03
Atariihrw, so far ive found this:
pupnikBird Bath mmeans Pickup Truck!16:05
pupnikhere's the whole show
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eichi_i want to do my maemo on mmc now, how much space should i use? (have 4GB intern)16:21
GeneralAntilles512-1GB, depending.16:22
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DekaritaeGeneralAntilles: If I wanted to remap a button on a connected USB keyboard, where ought I to look?16:36
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crashanddieSomewhere out there in the vast nothingness of space, somewhere far away in space and time, staring upwards at the gleaming stars in the obsidian sky...16:42
crashanddieWe're marooned on a small island, in an endless sea. Confined to a tiny spit of sand. Unable to escape.16:43
crashanddieBut tonight, on this small planet. On Earth. WE'RE GOING TO ROCK CIVILIZATION !16:43
pupnikdon't open the offtopic floodgates16:44
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* lcuk_work replies to crashanddie the only way possible:16:44
lcuk_workI put on my robe and my wizard hat16:44
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crashanddienot like there's a lot of offtopic when the only activity is joins/parts16:44
GeneralAntillesI like turtles16:44
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crashanddieDoes anyone of you know of a program that actually uses esd to output sound ?16:45
crashanddie(on the tablet)16:46
crashanddiewhich program ?16:47
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GeneralAntillesIf anybody, pupnik is probably your man, crashanddie.16:47
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, awesome :D16:47
crashanddiefinally :D16:47
pupniki'm in bad shape right now, what is the question behind the quistion16:47
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crashanddiepupnik, I wanted to write a small app that would show a spectrum of the sound currently outputted by the tablet16:48
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simbossguys, quick pymaemo question16:49
crashanddieso I'm trying to get the esd buffer, and work on that, but the file descriptor that I'm supposed to read on never has any data in it (read () blocks, using select () to monitor it), so in fact I'm wondering if there's actually any data going through esd...16:49
pupniktimidity for e.g16:49
pupniklol crashanddie16:49
pupnikah ok16:50
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crashanddiepupnik, ok, so basically, esd is a dead end16:51
crashanddiewell that's cool, having written fack all number of lines...16:51
pupnikinteresting project ... esd works, somehow... but i don't know how16:52
simbossI do not manage to get " mouse released evens frmo a custom drawing area16:52
lardmancrashanddie: spectrum for all the sound or just something specific?16:52
simbossany ideas?16:52
crashanddielardman, all the sound16:52
lardmancrashanddie: hmm, as it's routed into the DSP & mixed there, you may have troubles16:52
crashanddieit's mixed in the dsp ?16:52
lardmanthat's my understanding16:52
|tbb|if i manually insmod some modules, will they be in use after reboot?16:53
lardman|tbb|: no16:53
lardmancrashanddie: you might be able to insert something in the gstreamer pipeline16:53
|tbb|hmm, i wonder why i cant connect to my ap anymore16:53
GeneralAntillespupnik, did I ever link you to this one?
crashanddieyeah, that's what I've been told16:53
|tbb|any logfile available to see whats wrong16:53
crashanddiebut lardman, the problem is, the gstreamer things I try to right fail to run on the NIT16:54
|tbb|the router itself doesnt have one16:54
lardmancrashanddie: they must give some output16:54
pupnikGeneralAntilles: no, but seen it16:54
pupniki had it on CD somewhere - something by bill laswell16:54
crashanddielardman, work on my linux box, but when compiled in scratchbox, and transfered to the NIT, there's some crazy shit about failing to insert stuff, hang on16:54
GeneralAntillesHallucination Engine16:54
GeneralAntillesLove that album16:54
pupnikahh there we go16:54
inzsimboss, have you added the events for the widget?16:55
simbossinz: yep16:55
simbossinz: I get the mouse press correctly but no mouse release16:55
simbossinz: same code works on ubuntu desktop16:55
pupnikGeneralAntilles: has some ear-opening stuff ... nice to see that music still progresses16:56
simbossinz: I found some posts about this problem and I have a workaround, but it's strange though16:56
GeneralAntillesYou want to search music progress? Try this. >:D
lardmancrashanddie: I don't have any experience writing Gstreamer plugins I'm afraid16:57
simbossinz: I was just willing to check if someone else's found a solutions for this16:57
lardmancrashanddie: what is gtest? Shouldn't you place it in a pipeline to test?16:57
inzsimboss, well, if you have a workaround, use that (unless it's butt ugly ;)16:57
inzsimboss, and possibly file a bug in the 'zilla16:57
crashanddielardman, me neither, but that's a textbook example from the gstreamer docs, and it just fails to run on the NIT, which doesn't prevail anything good16:57
lardmancrashanddie: true16:58
lardmancrashanddie: Try asking on the maemo-devel list, there are some gstreamer types lurking on there16:58
crashanddieok, I will16:59
|tbb|confuse: now it works again16:59
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|tbb|what do i need to do to use agps16:59
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lardmaninstall agps-ui17:00
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simbossinz: here
hrwhmm.. I have a problem small17:02
hrwdoes Diablo autobuilder accept source packages with same names as diablo system ones but producing other set of packages?17:03
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hrwPimlico Dates/Contacts/Tasks use evolution-data-server but it is also provided by Maemo.17:04
eichi_i need mkfs.ext3, in which repo i can find it?17:04
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scaldovHI all!17:05
hrwMaemo version provide only Contacts backend, when rest of apps need Calendar backed17:05
scaldovI've binary-patched pidgin, so it can connect to icq17:05
|tbb|lardman: i had done that, do i have to have an gps signal and an internet connection while using that tool17:05
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inzsimboss, you're having this problem in python?17:07
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simbossinz: yep, same exact thing17:07
inzsimboss, have you tried removing the motion hint mask?17:10
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simbossinz: should I?17:10
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inheritedHi, what exactly is "Diablo"?17:11
inzsimboss, it was just a suggestion in the thread, that it might be the cause17:11
pekujainherited, it's the new OS version for N800 and N81017:11
pekujainherited, it's also a computer game by Blizzard17:11
simbossinz: the guys seems to say that it did not change the result much17:11
inheritedpekuja: allready stable?17:11
inheritedthx, GeneralAntilles17:12
inzsimboss, Oh, I didn't notice such, I though there was only Xan's post that it _shouldn't_ change anything17:12
inheritedare there also docs/infos on how to get diablo? :D17:12
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hrwinherited: same way as every other Maemo release17:13
inheritedthat means?17:13
GeneralAntillesSomebody moved it?17:13
GeneralAntillesNo, I'm just an idiot:
inheritedthx a lot :D17:14
pupniki need a word for total contempt of stupid people17:14
lardman|tbb|: Wifi, agps-ui should automatically open gpsdriver iirc17:14
lardman|tbb|: it will ask the supl server for the data for wherever you clicked and give that to gpsdriver I think; someone said it would also try mobile phone connections, but I don't have mine linked17:15
scaldovpeople, is there pidgin icq-patched version for maemo2008?17:15
|tbb|mine also not linked to an cellphone17:16
|tbb|err mobilephone17:16
GeneralAntillesscaldov, just use rtcomm with the Collabora telepathy plugins?17:16
|tbb|so i have to open it and point it to the place where iam?17:17
* |tbb| confused17:17
scaldovGeneralAntilles, I don't know what are you about17:17
GeneralAntilles|tbb|, the Nokia beta labs site explains how it works.17:17
pupnikAnybody who uses the Internet should read E.M. Forster's The Machine Stops. It is a chilling, short story masterpiece about the role of technology in our lives. Written in 1909, it's as relevant today as the day it was published.17:17
lardman|tbb|: open the app, tap on the map where you are, hey presto!17:17
inheritedthx a lot so far, will I be able to run os 2008 apps without any problems on diablo?17:18
hrwinherited: yes17:18
eichi_i need e2fsprogs for maemo, where to get it???17:18
GeneralAntillesIt's in the SDK repo.17:18
inheritedits getting better and better every second17:18
hrweichi_:         500 diablo/free Packages17:19
hrweichi_: from diablo extras17:19
|tbb|the card ZoomLevel isnt that big so i can choose a land or city exactly17:20
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lardman|tbb|: I know, I've been wondering what effect that has17:20
lardman|tbb|: I don't know enough about the accuracy required in the supl message data though17:21
scaldovGeneralAntilles, looks interesting. i'll try17:21
|tbb|everyone says, hey now it supports agps, but how it will be speed up things or how it work noone knows it really17:21
lardmanSomeone posted a comparison on ITT this morning iirc17:22
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eichi_apt-get update ->>   W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )17:30
eichi_expected but got? lol?17:30
qwerty12It's normal and can be ignored.17:30
eichi_sounds like "i need it, but what a shame, i got it :( " is is my english not good enaught?17:31
Atariiqwerty12! do you have the changeslog for the AM 2.02 which you removing the legal mumbojumbo?17:32
lardmaneichi_: You sure it's not expected "diablo" got "" ??17:32
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eichi_lardman, whats that?17:37
eichi_and yes, i was sure ;)17:37
GeneralAntillesapt-get -f install17:38
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GeneralAntillesThe issue has been covered a number of times on itT and -developers17:38
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lardmaneichi_: no really, I think the message is trying to tell you that there's no distro name17:39
GeneralAntillesHopefully an SSU updates comes down soon so it'll resolve itself.17:39
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lcuk_workthe agps thing, would it be possible to add a quick function to maemo-mapper to push the current actual location into the agps thing that we can currently only get 50miles away from? would the extra coord resolution be worthwhile?17:43
mgedmin|tbb| my impression is that the time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute17:43
lcuk_workill dash back to work, but its just something i wonder17:43
lardmanlcuk_work: no idea, we'd need to talk to someone in the know (about agps/ephemeris data)17:43
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lcuk_workmgedmin, we had gps fixes in about 20 minutes in germany :17:43
lardmanmgedmin: not a cold start though?17:43
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mgedmins/the time to get a gps fix/minimum time to get a gps fix/17:44
infobotmgedmin meant: |tbb| my impression is that minimum time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute17:44
lcuk_worknext time we are all together it will be good to see relative speeds - im still on chinook17:44
lcuk_worklardman - none of us were cold17:44
lardmanmgedmin: I also think the pretty inaccurate data which will be supplied (due to the ~50miles square size of the pixels in the map) won't help17:44
mgedminlardman: not sure; first fix about 24 hours since last fix17:44
lcuk_workall took a long time : twice, once before dinner, once after17:44
lcuk_workback later anyway17:44
eichi_sp3000, GeneralAntilles lardman thanks a lot17:45
eichi_now i use openssh instead of xterm in maemo, its easyer to write ;)17:46
eichi_its like fingerpicking on guitar17:46
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eichi_sfdisk is strange18:03
eichi_Units = cylinders of 21504 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes18:03
eichi_how much cylinders do i need for 1 GB?18:03
pupnikpoop cylinders18:03
eichi_(1 024 * 1 000) / 21 504 = 47.619047618:05
eichi_50 or what?18:05
scaldov-Hn -Sn18:05
scaldovthere is no need to set cylinders18:05
eichi_sfdisk want to have them18:06
hrwsfdisk? someone still use it?18:06
scaldovecho ",,L"|sfdisk -S64 -H6418:06
eichi_its in the brand new wiki18:07
scaldovI used it this way18:07
qwerty12_1Doesn't sfdisk have that mode where you can specify MB instead?18:07
scaldovit does not18:07
hrweichi_: it is old text in new wiki?18:07
eichi_i want to use fdisk like everywhere18:07
qwerty12_1Oh my bad. I'm thinking of something else.18:07
eichi_hrw, it seems so18:08
scaldovi think there is sfdisk from busybox18:08
GeneralAntillespupnik, sounds painful.18:10
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eichi_there is no way to get fdisk running?18:11
* qwerty12_1 refrains from screaming.18:11
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping.18:11
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qwerty12_1I've got cfdisk available.18:11
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: pong18:11
eichi_if i want to install util-linux, all maemo thinks will gone ;) bad idea18:12
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scaldovpeope, sfdisk is light and powerfull. forget fdisk :)18:12
eichi_but then, i have fdisk hihi18:12
GeneralAntillesCan you clear this page and just leave the Note: line and the link to the GNOME wiki?
qwerty12_1eichi_, But I can package things and I have cfdisk in a seperate package ;)18:12
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scaldovbtw, is there netsmbfs for maemo?18:13
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Ok.18:13
eichi_i need hours for only partion a sd card with maemo..its scrary18:13
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Btw, thanks for all the extras wiki pages and links between them. That is really useful :)18:14
eichi_only because i forgot my sd card reader at my other flat18:14
X-FadeI used them in my blog post btw ;)18:14
qwerty12_1penguinbait, ping18:14
GeneralAntillesmoar bloging!18:14
eichi_what should i do nooooooooooooooooow18:14
* GeneralAntilles cracks the whip.18:15
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yeah yeah, I just did ;)18:15
* qwerty12_1 howls18:15
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leandroalj #ols18:18
qwerty12_1And why would anyone want to do that?18:18
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GeneralAntillesAnybody got a GNOMI Live account?18:19
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Anybody got a GNOME Live account?18:19
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Ok, changed the page.18:20
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jga23anybody know where I could get subversion client for diablo?18:21
qwerty12_1jga23, it's in the sdk repo iirc18:21
jga23qwerty12_1: thanks18:22
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eichi_qwerty12_1, can you give me this cfdisk package?18:26
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eichi_qwerty12_1, i will trust you ;)18:28
qwerty12_1If your tablet burns up and causes the house to go on fire, I've got your back. :P18:28
johnxwhich is to say he'll be behind yo running :)18:29
aquatixjohnx: nah, he has a digital backup18:29
eichi_qwerty12_1, then i hope, you have a free room in your house18:29
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qwerty12_1eichi_, Ok, I don't have your back :P18:30
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eichi_i have a backup yes18:30
eichi_but there is no way to make hardware backups ;D18:30
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aquatixeichi_: hm, in that case i might have to revise my backup scheme...18:32 to install a file from locally with apt-get?18:32
qwerty12_1ARRGH, a port of the touchscreen fix from N810 to N800 didn't take :(18:32
qwerty12_1The tsc2005.c and the tsc2301 driver are very similar too :(18:33
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crashanddieeichi_, dpkg -i file.deb18:36
eichi_thats it, thanks, long time i used a debian ;)18:37
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qwerty12_1Does using a tablet with the debian system of package managment count?18:38
hrwqwerty12_1: if it is nokia tablet then it does not18:39
hrwqwerty12_1: normal users does not even see that apt/dpkg are used18:40
qwerty12_1Not entirely sure about that, the app man log is quite descriptive.18:40
penguinbaitdid you get some sleep qwerty :)18:40
qwerty12_1Nope, I was still on IRC >.>18:41
qwerty12_1:P :)18:41
eichi_allways use logical partitions, shouldnt I?18:41
penguinbaitif you want I can tar up my deb directory, so you can update it, with kernel while I am gone?18:41
qwerty12_1I can wait yet :). It will give me a few more days to mess with the kernel anyway :/18:42
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hrweichi_: primary you mean?18:43
hrw~curse msdos partitioning18:43
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, msdos partitioning !18:43
eichi_i use only ext3 partitions18:43
qwerty12_1penguinbait, BTW, I think I know why some people are reporting problems with the kernel. Either the patch is dodgy. Or more likely, it didn't apply right as I saw this morning. I'll release a new kernel sometime where the patch is applied by hand.18:44
qwerty12_1(The N810 touchscreen patch that is)18:44
penguinbaitI put it on my 800 and 810, and it runs better on 800, I think the TS patches are slowing things down, however CPU seems OK?18:44
hrweichi_: the scheme which you use on card cames from msdos18:45
crashanddiepenguinbait, also, did you notice that the more you go to the edge of the screen, the more there is a margin between the actual position and the registered position ?18:45
hrweichi_: primary/logical partitions crap18:45
eichi_hrw, that means?18:45
eichi_is there another way?18:45
penguinbaithrw, I just use my deb for partitioning :)18:45
eichi_penguinbait, i think its a evil hack to parition with a deb package...sorry for that18:46
penguinbaitcrashanddie, I have used it for about 30 minutes total, I honestly dont have much use for the project,  I like qwerty, was just trying to help out :)18:47
hrweichi_: lot of them18:47
crashanddieyou like qwerty ?18:47
penguinbaitevil, thats what I get for helping people?18:47
hrwI prefer AmigaOS partitioning - too bad that PC cannot boot from such disks...18:47
qwerty12_1crashanddie, don't hate :p18:47
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hrweichi_: under linux LVM instead of partitioning is nice18:47
penguinbaityes, I like qwerty :P18:47
crashanddiepenguinbait, I used it for 10 minutes, just to test18:47
crashanddiepenguinbait, but you know, in the dev tools, there's cursor position18:48
penguinbaitI got you beat by 20minutes :P18:48
crashanddiewhich draws a little dot to the registered coordinates of where the stylus hits the screen18:48
penguinbaityes, I saw that18:48
crashanddieand when you go up and down the screen18:48
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crashanddiewell, when you're in the center of the screen, it registers correctly18:48
crashanddiebut the more you go up to the top/down of the screen, there's a mis-calculation of somesort18:49
qwerty12_1Well be thankful that the thing actually works.:P  My N800 doesn't register jack shit.18:49
Atariiqwerty12_1 do you have changes you did to the applicaiton manager?18:49
eichi_hrw you need only the kernel modules and can switch?18:49
penguinbaitwell like I said, we were just helping out, qwerty applied the kernel patches, he did not create them.  I assume as the real team works on it things will improve18:49
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crashanddieI'm not running around yelling "FIX IT", i'm just saying, that's all :P18:50
qwerty12_1Atarii, No sorry :(. I removed my linux partition and it turns out that the patch was on there. When I take a look at the file again, I always figure out my changes though, so I'll take a look again later :)18:50
crashanddieI understand this is more of a "proof of concept" than anything else18:50
Atariiok thanks qwerty12_118:51
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qwerty12_1This will never go more forward than this anyway. "A: You have to use m3 user space. This works well with m5-rc14/15 kernel patches. So best combination is to use m3 user space with m5 kernel.m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. "18:51
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penguinbaitI think it was more of a qwerty and penguinbait had too much time on there hands for a couple days with nothing better to do :)18:51
qwerty12_1I seriously want to beat the fuck out of Epson for making the biggest piece of shit ever,18:51
qwerty12_1Yep with b-man manipulating the strings :P18:51
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johnxI read some stuff about android for the zaurus, where someone discovered it might not need page flipping18:52
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hrweichi_: more or less that18:53
qwerty12_1johnx, you mean something like this: (read the zaurus part)18:53
johnxit was from here:
* johnx reads18:53
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qwerty12_1Yep, that site is in the elinux link I gave :)18:54
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Andy80hi all18:54
Andy80I'm using diablo release and I'm using chinook-extras, should I switch to diablo-extras?18:54
johnxqwerty12_1, yes, but there is a later post about the 750, which states it wasn't necessary18:54
johnxqwerty12_1, here:
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johnxin a couple months when the first handset comes out this will be a lot more interesting18:56
qwerty12_1If he did nothing, then that can be up to someone to build m5-rc14 then.18:56
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johnxah, exciting...the latest mplayer removes alsa sound output?18:58
crashanddieAndy80, chinook programs run seamlessly on diablo, diablo repos aren't populated that much just yet18:58
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qwerty12_1Just for future reference for myself so I can search this up on google quickly, the file for N800 touchscreen is tsc2301_ts.c19:00
Andy80crashanddie: ok, thanks19:00
|tbb|touchscreen patch for debian ?19:01
eichi_can i use ext2/3 on mmc to boot from sd card? or do i need to take vfat like in the howto?19:01
* Mousey poops on android19:01
johnxheh...well after I give up a2dp start working. bleh19:02
* Mousey uses ext3 on the internal card and external card. but not the main partition19:02
* Mousey is mostly too lazy to figure out if it's possible or a good idea or not though, and should not be considered a role model19:02
johnxanyways, ~40% CPU usage @ 160MHz isn't too bad19:03
eichi_Mousey, but i want to boot from internal card19:03
johnxI wonder if it would be better to bump the CPU speed and let it sleep more...19:03
Mouseyeichi_: fanoush is your friend19:03
eichi_maybe it cant mount ext2/3 while booting19:03
Mouseythat'd be up to either the kernel or the initfs19:03
johnxyes, |tbb| a2dp seems to work for me19:04
johnxto a degree...skipping now19:04
* Mousey thinks . o O ( a2dp? )19:04
johnxstereo sound support for bluetooth headphones19:04
MouseyOH YEA19:04
Mouseygod i want that to work19:04
timelessjohnx: anyway, is up, have fun :)19:04
Mouseyi don't care about high cpu usage19:04
|tbb|no hack needed19:05
JamieBennettwhat was the fix for the 'sem_post: Function not implemented' problem in scratchbox again?19:05
johnxMousey, you will when your battery power goes away in ~3 hours19:05
Mouseythere's that19:05
Mouseybut i'd leave it plugged in ^_^19:05
johnxtimeless, cool19:05
johnxMousey, well go and grab does work to a degree19:05
Mouseyfirst i need stereo headphones. ^_^19:06
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johnxcan't help you unless you want to buy some from me :)19:06
johnxI could use new ones :D19:06
Mouseynah, i have to steal the ones i have back from my wife19:06
johnxhot sauce, works in canola too!19:07
qwerty12_1Lets see the master salesman at work19:08
hrwdpkg - warning: downgrading xchat from 2.8.4-chinook0-beta1 to 2.8.4-diablo0mg2.19:08
GeneralAntillesWhat the hell kind of a quip is this? "best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800"19:08
qwerty12_1Good enough for me, wheres the buy page?19:08
hrwmgedmin: can you add epoch to Diablo package of xchat?19:08
mgedminhrw: what's the reason?19:09
mgedminah, I see19:09
mgedminyou had the chinook package on your diablo19:09
hrwmgedmin: yes - skyhuster one19:09
infobotrumour has it, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from and should be in 'extras' soon19:09
mgedminyou naughty impatient user :)19:09
RST38hGA: A Chinese spammer.19:09
hrwmgedmin: I had it in chinook times19:09
mgedminwait, why is chinook older than diablo? d > c!19:10
GeneralAntillesWho can delete a spam quip from bugzilla?19:10
hrwinfobot: no, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from Diablo Extras(-devel) repository19:10
infobothrw: okay19:10
mgedminbesides I did the same thing myself19:10
qwerty12_1Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking look :)19:10
mgedminhrw: chinook extras too19:10
qwerty12_1s/look/a look/19:10
infobotqwerty12_1 meant: Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking a look :)19:10
mgedminqwerty12_1: skyhusker's svn is alive19:10
mgedminthat's where I got the xchat that I uploaded to extras19:10
mgedmin(after emailing with skyhusker a bit)19:11
hrwmgedmin: feel free to edit factoid19:11
johnxanyways, the old a2dp-support package I put together for chinook works fine in diablo, and does as little as ever :)19:11
qwerty12_1mgedmin, Ah, do you have a link? I went through web.archive because his site broken to the result of finding a broken svn link.19:11
mgedminit's on garage19:11
mgedminsvn co xchat-maemo19:12
johnxa2dp setup .deb for convenience only, can be found here:
mgedminall I had to do was fix the build-depends a bit19:12
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qwerty12~lart shitty router for rebooting19:14
* infobot whips out his power stapler and staples shitty router's foot to the floor for rebooting19:14
hrwbye guys19:14
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RST38hspeaking of reboot...19:18
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whooperhey guys19:21
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whooperhey qwerty12, do you have the patch for touchscreen support in android for the n800 yet?19:22
qwerty12Nope. I'm trying again but I can't make any promises, I'm not really a programmer :)19:23
qwerty12(I'd like it working too, I have only N800 as well :))19:23
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whooperi just installed it and I must say that you've done a beautiful job so far19:24
qwerty12Well, the installing and file system stuff is all penguinbaits work :)19:24
penguinbaitthe kernel is qwerty, but all the real work was done by others :)19:24
* whooper goes to look for his usb female-to-female adapter19:24
penguinbaitis there an official 800/810 android team actively developing for 800/810?19:25
qwerty12only thing I can think of android-on-n8xx19:26
qwerty12n8xx is a joke though19:26
qwerty12N810 is more serious.19:26
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penguinbaitthe usespace I used is that just a generic userspace for android on omap or is it meant for 800/810?19:26
RST38hWeird, Android looks better on N810 than on the devices it has been designed to run on19:26
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johnxit's designed to run on pretty much anything19:27
johnxthat's kinda the point :)19:27
JaffaAny more screenshots/photos/videos more than just the one on aisu's blog of the home screen?19:28
whooperjohnx, you hit the nail on the head19:28
whooperi'll make some!19:28
penguinbaitpost them in the thread on ITT19:28
whooperi'll put em' on my blog:; oncew i do19:28
whooperer.. *once19:28
whooperno prob19:28
JaffaSlow? Usable? Useful? Limited hacking time at the moment, and improving mud is probably more useful :)19:29
qwerty12Slow, a little. I found performance to be much better when using ext2 instead of loop. Usable, I'd say so (if you use N810) and useful, well....19:29
penguinbaitThe Fn key is not working on 810, so no numbers or / or @ its not that usefull :)19:30
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penguinbaitThe 810 seems to run slower than the 800, I think its the TS patches?19:30
qwerty12It probably is19:30
Jaffapenguinbait: does it work if you hold down Fn, rather than press or release - or does it not work at all? (And what about xmodmap helpage?)19:31
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penguinbaitI must say, first impressions, I wich maemo looked like that :)19:31
penguinbaitnot at all Jaffa19:32
qwerty12Jaffa, xmodmap isn't used. Instead, you need to look at qwerty.kl and maybe init.rc19:32
qwerty12I know what you mean :)19:32
RST38hpenguinbait: are you sure?19:32
qwerty12penguinbait, I like little things like the blur when pressing the power button19:32
disqpenguinbait: grats on the android stuff! ran into some problems with the postint script going like "./root/android-installer/..." instead of "/root/*" but after i fixed that it worked19:32
RST38hthis thign is Java based and uses weird APIs19:32
Jaffaqwerty12: oh, of course - it's fb-based isn't it19:32
qwerty12Jaffa, yes19:33
penguinbaityes, I like the lok and feel of it better that maemo/hildon19:33
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penguinbaitof cource thats not saying alot, I like everything better :)19:33
JaffaRST38h: it's Java-based but compiles to a more native bytecode19:33
RST38hJaffa: there is no "more native" bytecode.19:34
RST38hBytecode is not native19:34
whooperbloody hell, the pictures'll have to wait-- i can't find my good (powershot a410) camera19:34
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qwerty12Anyone know a better x server for windows instead of xminge? And yes, I said windows.19:35
Mouseyoh wow, android on nxx!19:35
penguinbaitI use cygwin19:35
Mouseyn8xx, even19:35
zapvmware is a better X server19:35
qwerty12I really dislike vmware :/19:35
MouseyXwindows is a better X server19:35
qwerty12zap, btw, had any more luck with using OS2007 kernel's musb in diablo?19:36
whooperis there any way to switch between android and standard maemo-- I want to try and do some screen shots19:36
zapqwerty12: nope, it reboots soon after showing desktop19:36
JaffaRST38h: Tell that to Intel chips running microcode. Anyway, I meant a more optimised bytecode for Android apps running in a custom VM. This is IRC, not a bloody lecture hall!19:36
zapI would debug it if I would have at least serial console, but... :-(19:36
penguinbaitmaybe running vnc server before starting?19:37
zapqwerty12: instead I ported the latest musb driver from kernel 2.6.16rc1 (montavista branch) and it works fine, but still g_ether doesn't like windoz19:37
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zapsorry, 2.6.26rc119:37
RST38hJaffa: Microcode is NOT bytecode19:37
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* RST38h of all people, should know =)19:38
qwerty12zap, Ah :(. Brilliant work nonetheless, best reasoning and work on the subject I've seen so far :)19:38
zapand the most useless...19:38
qwerty12Does musb from linux-omap work any better?19:38
ShadowJKYou know, arm can run java bytecode "natively"... :P19:38
zapone time I even was able to connect N810 to Windows two times...19:38
RST38hShadow: You can, true19:39
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zapwith current kernel I never managed to do it more than once19:39
RST38hShadow: If you license Jazelle (which Nokia did not for N8x0). And even then it is not blazingly fast19:39
JaffaRST38h: are there any benchmarks comparing Jazelle vs. various JVMs on ARM vs. Dalvik?19:41
Andy80yes... Android on N810 would be a good thing.... if only N810 was a PHONE :(19:41
RST38hJaffa: AFAIK, Jazelle-enabled JVM is ~3 times faster than vanilla version19:41
RST38hJaffa: This has been measured on SUN's SunSpot implementation for embedded devies19:42
qwerty12YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :)19:42
johnxqwerty12, woo!19:43
RST38hDalvik - I do not know, but it is *not* going to be comparable with native code performance in a general case.19:43
RST38hBecause miracles just do not happen.19:43
qwerty12(It's funny, when I came here with my N800, I didn't know nothing about linux, now look at me, I'm fixing packages etc). Heh.19:43
RST38h"When I came here I had a life and now I don't!" 8)19:44
whooperqwerty12: i love you!19:44
whooperare you going to share it in a nice, clean .deb package?19:44
qwerty12I'll leave the packaging to penguinbait :)19:44
whooperalright, then it's up to penguinbait-- ready the torches and pitchforks19:45
qwerty12Taps are a little hard to register, but the pointer test program is recognising my taps fine.19:45
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whooperwhat did you have to do?19:46
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whooper--to get touchscreen support working, i mean19:47
qwerty12Shift the android changes to the N810 touchscreen driver to the N800 one + a little change. After I've finalised everything, I'll post up all my patches.19:47
whooperany news on an OSK?19:48
johnxmeh, just get out your usb keyboard and some tape :D19:49
qwerty12OSK probably no. I can't program and that is too much stuff for me.19:49
whooperjohnx: i can't find my usb adapter D:19:49
qwerty12I could try but I'm not a framebuffer expert by any means.19:49
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whooperdo you know where to add wallpapers?19:50
whooperthe standard ones don't look great on the big screen19:50
qwerty12I'm not sure, i'll take a look for you.19:50
whooperthank you very much19:51
johnxalso, check out shapewriter, I guess it's not really an input method so much as an app though19:51
whooperi will, brb19:52
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whooperoh, that's neat19:53
whooperinteresting idea19:53
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johnxlcuk_work, died on keyboard?19:54
lcukno johnx, day from hell19:54
johnxthat'll be tomorrow for me19:54
johnxis your day from hell over at least?19:54
qwerty12whooper, no idea. best I could do is data\misc\wallpaper. Not sure if it is png or jpg but it opens fine. I'm unsure where the northern lights image is kept.19:54
lcukand me, i didnt get the "minor" code change completed19:54
GeneralAntillesIt's Bad Day at Work day in the UK today, evidently.19:54
lcukive been dealing with stuart code all day19:55
whooperalrighty, i'll give that a shot. thanks qwerty19:55
whoopertrogdor will be my new firend19:55
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* lcuk gives a tiny snippet of my feelings from the last time i went into this set of code:19:56
lcuk'##this routine is horrendous.  this entire import is horrendous.19:56
lcuk'##what the flying fuck is this code about?19:56
lcuk'##it is evil and nasty and a headfuck I have seen more logical assembler code.19:56
johnxwhat language?19:57
lcukits vb, but thats not normally the issue19:57
johnxjust wondering if it was something like cobol or somesuch19:57
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johnxlcuk, now you see why we linux guys keep our barriers to entry :)19:57
lcukactually, thats not too far from the truth19:57
eichi_damn, it doenst boot from mmc19:58
lcuk"stuart code" is named after stuart, an old cobol coder..19:58
johnxoh man19:58
lcukhe loved array indexes :)19:58
johnxI can picture him now writing convenience functions in VB so he can use it more like COBOL19:59
johnxthat would be pretty nightmarish I imagine19:59
lcukjohnx, ive seen lots of code in my life but i have never before seen anything so monolithically bad as this set of functions19:59
johnxI'm sorry to hear that20:00
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lcukthe xkcd wtfs per minute - i stopped counting20:00
* lcuk stops ranting now20:00
lcukthank god .net is here and it will soon be out of my hands :)20:00
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lcuknow, i think i should make myself feel better by looking at liqbase :)20:01
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johnxthe polar opposite, the most gorgeous code conceived by man :)20:02
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qwerty12lcuk, let us all relieve ourselves by looking at the liqbase code :p20:02
johnxI kinda misread that the first time20:03
qwerty12I know, I was thinking the same thing ;)20:03
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Mrs Jaffa's doing spag bol for tea, though - and I'm planning on rewatching Saturday's Doctor Who now that the in-laws have left :-)20:04
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qwerty12Eew, Dr Who.20:04
qwerty12I knows I gonna get burned for that, so I hide.20:04
* Jaffa has to be in the office by 8am for a (politcally sensitive) video conference tomorrow, which means the 06:20 train. Tomorrow's not looking up.20:05
GeneralAntillesWe all know you have no tastes, qwerty12, no need to hide. ;)20:05
qwerty12meh, my tastes are fine, which is why I don't like Dr Who. ;) :P20:05
JaffaHmm, oxymoron in there ;)20:06
GeneralAntillesYeah . . . sorry, no.20:06
JaffaWiki buggered?20:06
qwerty12I'd have to disagree ;)20:06
JaffaAh better20:06
GeneralAntillesFor a bit20:06
GeneralAntillesI don't buy ferenc's "I've been restarting mediawiki" explanation20:06
GeneralAntillesunless he's restarting mediawiki several times an hour 24/720:07
eichi_is there a bootmenu config file for the bootloader?20:07
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lcukjohnx, my code isnt quite upto the high standards stuart has set :)20:18
lcukand qwerty12, hmm20:19
johnxwell, you'll improve with time I'm sure20:19
lcukcan a person devolve?20:19
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qwerty12chopping of their limbs?20:19
lcukif thats the way to enlightenment, then stuart was a headless chicken20:20
johnxonce you start making functions in python to let you code like it's 68k assembly you'll know you've reached the same level :)20:20
* GeneralAntilles makes a chopping motion with his limbs in the air.20:20
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I don't think that works.20:20
qwerty12Yes, I meant, s/of/off/20:20
lcukjohnx, i did it the other way round, i had a macro compiler for 68k20:21
johnxhmm...well, wow20:21
whooperfor those who are running android on an n810-- in the web browser, can you use scrolling with the stylus20:21
lcukjesus, it is bad. even after homecooked tea im still worried about it20:21
mgedminanyone tried fennec on a n81020:22
qwerty12I think lots of people have :/20:22
NaviI tried it on my N80020:22
mgedminthe panning feels much slower than the panning of the built-in microb in diablo20:22
NaviIt was total suck20:22
GeneralAntillesNavi, svnsvnsvn????20:22
NaviBug qwerty12 about it20:23
qwerty12Meh, I can't be arsed to try again20:23
NaviI don't even have a working SDK installed20:23
qwerty12Maybe I'll try when the microb team can be actually arsed to upload patches that apply cleanly!20:24
mgedminheh, with the extras autobuilder you don't need an SDK :)20:24
lcukmgedmin, doesnt that introduce a bit of lag with the build process though?20:24
whooperare there any robots here?20:24
mgedmin"a bit" is a bit of an understatement20:24
whooperif so, please pay attentio to my next two statements20:25
* GeneralAntilles does the robot.20:25
mgedminNo. We're. All. Humans.20:25
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mgedminthe true thing is that Disconnect left, right20:25
mgedminand the false thing is the Eew20:25
* mgedmin muahahahahahhaas20:25
lcukmgedmin, you are faulty. a robot can not contract words. (data said so anyway.)20:25
johnxI'm with mgedmin20:25
mgedminlcuk: that is because I am successfully pretending to be hu-man.20:26
* johnx is pretty sure he's a robot with how many times he's answered googleable questions20:26
mgedminerr, disregard my previous message20:26
mgedminI did not break my cover20:26
qwerty12johnx, what is google?20:26
mgedminthese aren't the droids you're looking for20:26
whooperwhy don't you google it20:26
* GeneralAntilles likes the google-exactly-the-question-that-was-asked game.20:26
johnxqwerty12, it's the search engine behind: :)20:26
qwerty12I haven't seen that pic in years :P20:27
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lcuka google is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or similar20:27
johnxthat's a googol if I'm not mistaken20:27
lcuk"or similar"20:27
qwerty12lcuk, That reminds me of that cheater on who wants to be a millionaire with that question20:27
* lcuk coughs20:27
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whooperspeaking of who wants to be a millionare20:29
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whooperhey penguinbait20:31
penguinbaitI want to be a millionaire :)20:31
whooperwhere about are you in michigan?20:31
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penguinbaitcurrenty :)20:32
whooperseriously though, i'm in fort gratiot20:32
penguinbaitI am about 1mile north of the palace of Auburn Hills on Lapeer rd( M24)20:32
penguinbaitI live just south of Flint though20:32
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whooperokay, so a couple hours away20:32
penguinbaitwhere is "fort gratiot" ?20:33
whooperoutskirts of port huron20:33
whooperit's where all the stores and birchwood mall is20:33
qwerty12 - Someone willing to answer that question sometime? I gtg now, bye. I'll start releasing fixed kernels some time.20:33
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penguinbaitonly 1 hour away20:34
penguinbaitI have a brother who lives in Richmond, I used to go to port huron for work, straight across 6920:34
whooperwhere'd you work at?20:34
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penguinbaitan IBM reseller, I am the residen UNIX guru :)  I do all the presales hardware configuring20:35
whooperhehehe i could imagine that20:35
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penguinbaitWe just sold a $2,300,000 server20:36
Atariilies, penguinbait is a jigalo20:36
penguinbait64way P5 595, a beast20:36
penguinbaitshhh dont tell20:36
lcukpenguinbait, so its vista ready then?20:36
GeneralAntillesJust barely.20:37
penguinbaitI want to play, turn it into a 64way linux system20:37
penguinbaitI could recompile KDE in 5 minutes :)20:37
penguinbaitit only has 750GB of RAM though20:38
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whooperoh, only 750GB! that must have ran like a snai20:39
penguinbaitI dont know why they did not fill it with the full 2TB it holds :)20:39
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lcukpenguinbait, why not 768GB, and is that metric GB or real GB?20:39
viniliosany updates on enabling opengl on n800 ?20:39
penguinbaitProbably another 2 mil but hey20:39
lcukvinilios, opengl is around somewhere. the question you should ask is have we got the powervr working yet20:39
penguinbaitit was 768 actuall with half active20:40
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lcukqwerty12_N800, how quick does android run (i replied in the forum)20:40
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Atariipenguinbait who did you sell this to? name, address etc...20:40
penguinbaitA large Bank in SW michigan20:41
whooperAtarii: that's confidential20:41
penguinbaitand yes it is :)20:41
whooperE&A Credit Union?20:41
qwerty12_N800lcuk, you've got a point actually. I was able to speed up the screen refresh by pressing the power button and all the taps worked fine20:41
GeneralAntilleswhooper, he knows that. ;) It was a joke.20:41
* GeneralAntilles spots qwerty12_N800.20:42
whooperheh I know20:42
lcukqwerty12_N800, what does pressing the power button do?20:42
* qwerty12_N800 says hi20:42
whoopermost people here know about the maemo world summit in berlin, right?20:42
qwerty12_N800lcuk, just brings up the power menu20:42
lcukso why would that work faster?20:42
lcukwhooper, :) yes20:43
whooperwe should have one in the us for people who can't afford 3 grand for the trip+hotel20:43
penguinbaityes, but who has interest in going to Germany, least not I20:43
GeneralAntillesOSiM moves around, doesn't it?20:43
penguinbaithow about Bahama's ot Jamaica20:43
whooperhow about Cancun-- It's nice there20:43
qwerty12_N800lcuk, no idea, i just think it's causing the screen to refresh properly (remember, framebuffer is already messed up)20:44
penguinbaitNow there is a trip worth winning :)20:44
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whooperHotetur Hotel Beach Paradise20:44
lcukhow about the south pole: let the penguins have a look at mobile linux for a change20:44
whooperwe stayed there-- longer walk, but quieter, nice beach + pools, swim-up bar, ect. we even got an ocean view at no extra charge20:44
lcukive really enjoyed it in germany whenever ive been20:44
whoopernever been to germany20:45
qwerty12_N800i'd like to go, to get me a dbox2 or dreambox :p20:45
whooperany ideas on the deal with wimax? from what i understand, it'll be a pay-as-you-go type thing, i.e. pay for a day, week, month, year, whatev20:46
GeneralAntillesXohm, you mean?20:47
GeneralAntillesWiMAX comes from a lot of different providers.20:47
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penguinbaitlat 37.01190 lon 111.5372420:47
whooperho ho ho ill find you now!20:47
penguinbaitThats where we stayed for last years vacation :)20:47
* qwerty12_N800 gets the ol ski mask ready :p20:48
lcukhow, he hasnt told you which planet hes on20:48
penguinbaithere is my house :)
penguinbaitI need to get my gps tracker up and running again20:48
eichi_someone has 800 widh diablo dualboot?20:49
qwerty12_N800the penguinbait mansion20:49
penguinbaitactually we need an OPENGTS for maemo20:49
penguinbaitno mansion there :)20:49
whoopernice, you went to china20:50
penguinbaiteichi_ whats the prob?20:50
penguinbaitlat 37.01190N lon 111.53724W20:50
eichi_i tried it manually dont know, doenst work20:50
penguinbaitforgot the north and west :)20:50
eichi_hard to say there seems no boatloader log20:50
penguinbaitno china for me20:50
penguinbaitready for the evil deb yet?20:51
penguinbaitactually I have a tarball which is more configurable20:51
eichi_that sounds better20:51
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penguinbaityou can specify swap and fat size and setup up to two linux boot partitions per SD card, ext2 and ext3 are supported20:53
eichi_is the bootmenu editable like grub.conf etc? or only make config, then make initfs then its uneditable?20:54
qwerty12_N800in diablo, initfs can be remounted read/write20:55
GAN800eichi_ try the readme in the intifs_flasher? . . .20:56
ShadowJKheh, I have wimax internet but not N810 Wimax edition20:57
eichi_penguinbait, your work sounds good20:57
eichi_i will try it20:57
GAN800stationary wimax != mobile wimax20:57
ShadowJKmine's stationary20:57
whooperdo you live in canada20:58
ShadowJKno, finland20:58
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ShadowJKgot an antenna the size of a small satellite dish on the outside of the house for it20:58
johnxand yet there are pccards that support stationary wimax AFAIK20:58
eichi_penguinbait, is there a problem doing it over wlan-ssh? dont want to hack the code with the pen...20:58
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johnxso will the n810 wimax likely not work at all with stationary wimax?20:58
whooperstationary wimax < mobile wimax20:58
johnxor will roaming just not work?20:59
ShadowJKroaming doesn't work with stationary20:59
ShadowJKthat's for certain.20:59
GAN800The n810w is 2.5GHz20:59
GAN800and likely tied in fairly closely with Xohm20:59
whooperi'd think that they (sprint) would let you connect to your own wimax-- if not, they can bet that someone would hack it20:59
ShadowJKWouldn't do me no good, it's on 3.5ghz here :-)21:00
glasslots of reasons to limit to their network21:00
whooperglass: monopoly is only good when you play the game21:00
johnxand yet I was under the impression the n810we would be carrier neutral except for the frequency21:00
GAN800lot of the carrier-specific issues are technical, I think.21:01
glasswhooper: they don't simlock phones for nothing,  locking to their network would enable giving devices on subsidisation easier21:01
GAN800frequency and mobile21:01
ShadowJKmaybe it's carrier neutral in the sense that other carriers are free to purchase them from nokia adapted to their wimax...21:01
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johnxI was pretty sure nokia would be selling them without a subscription, but I might be wrong21:02
johnxI don't remember where I heard that21:02
GeneralAntillesIt's PaYG21:02
whooperglass: they said nothing about subsidation when a price was announced21:02
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, wrong question, robot. ;)
glasswhooper: and apple pretends iphone is 200$, doesn't matter that much21:03
johnxlike any good robot I rely on real, fleshy hu-mons for acronym disambiguation21:03
whooperwe aren't talking about the iphone or apple-- we're talking about NITs21:07
johnxwell clearwire is definitely using 2.5GHz and definitely selling pccards, so I wonder if the n810we will work in a non-roaming way on their pre-mobile wimax network21:08
johnxI may be very interested if I end up back in the Seattle area (or some other supported city)21:08
GeneralAntillesClearwire is part of Sprint's alliance, no?21:08
johnxI think they actually have the majority ownership in "the network formerly known as xohm"21:09
johnxlike 51% or so21:09
johnxor was that sprint?21:09
lcukhu-man developers will be eradicated soon:
johnxbut yeah, they're part of the same collaboration21:09
zapWhat parts of SDL were specifically tuned on N8xx?21:10
lcukzap, they specially inserted code to cause screen display tearing.  it took developers weeks to ensure the tears were just enough to annoy you :)21:11
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whooperany news on the N800 Android touchscreen patch?21:13
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zaplcuk: doesn't SDL support double-buffering?21:13
zapI mean, on n8xx21:14
lcukyes, but what good does that do if you cannot get a whole buffer to the lcd in time for a complete frame?21:14
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johnxwhooper, <qwerty12> YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :)21:14
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whooperjohnx: please share21:15
johnxI don't have it21:15
johnxI was quoting qwerty1221:15
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whooperoh, right21:15
zs_Hi is there support for cairo on os2007?21:15
johnxI was pretty sure you were logged on when he said it though :)21:15
zaplcuk: you mean n8xx can't do 60Hz?21:16
whooperyeah, i just forgot21:16
lcukzap what resolution21:16
johnxcan't do 30Hz at full21:16
zapthe bus can't squeeze that much I presume21:16
zapdo you know the bandwidth of the bus?21:16
lcukno, 800*480 rgb data cannot be transfered in time21:17
johnx18MB/s is the number I seem to remember, more or less21:17
johnxzap, if you hit the old posts on the maemo-developers list you can double check that21:17
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zapalmost enough for video :)21:17
johnxright, assuming you can get it synced perfectly21:17
johnxno margin for error21:17
zapDSP shares the bus with CPU?21:18
lcukzap, YUV data contains less data and is transferable in time, but the transfer is async so you still get tearing21:18
zaphmm, YUV12 is 16bpp afair21:18
lcukbut its a lot less: mplayer and the vid player use it already21:18
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johnxam I correct in understanding that there doesn't seem to me a mechanism for vsync currently?21:18
lcukbut then the cpu cannot decode video and audio in time, especially when you also note that running the dsp slows the cpu down21:18
zapjohnx: even PCs don't have it21:19
johnxzap, I think they do better emulating it though21:19
zs_is it possible to have cairo on os2007?21:19
lcukzap, i have a program called liqbase.  this is entirely YUV and gets the closest to rapidness around :)21:19
zapPCs have more raw power21:19
lcukyou can download and test various options21:19
lcukwatch the video first then grab it21:20
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lcukthere is also an image fullcolor blit routine that if you look closely shows the async nature of the framebuffer21:20
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eichi_penguinbait, damn, your script doest it!!!! nice one21:20
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inheritedd/whois denny21:21
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lcukzap, ive been playing extensively with changing video modes and cpufreq settings and finding the best way to do practically tearfree fullscreen updates21:21
lcukat 25fps 800*48021:21
johnxzs_, check out for cairo packages21:22
zapthank you for this toy21:22
zapright what I need in the train :)21:22
zapok have to run now, or the train will escape me :)21:22
zapbye all21:22
lcukok zap, have fun21:22
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zs_johnx thanks :)21:22
johnxsure, is a good place to check first. saves time. :)21:23
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zs_johnx i didn't know about that page thanks a lot :)21:24
johnxno problem. glad to help21:25
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eichi_i can umount and remount rw initfs?21:29
johnxjust remount21:29
johnxmount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs21:29
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eichi_its only needed while booting right?21:32
inzAt least dsme is running from initfs, so you cannot umount it21:33
whooperis there any way to reduce/eliminate the delay when switching between songs?21:33
zs_johnx, ok there is libcairo2 but i need it as well for my scratchbox, do you know how to install it? ;)21:34
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johnxzs_, with dpkg -i libcairo-whatever.deb21:34
johnxI wonder why everyone keeps telling new users on itt to use tar from the command line when xarchiver has been out forever :/21:35
lcukis it available on all systems?21:36
lcukisnt it best to try to use lowest common denom21:36
johnxit's available on OS200821:36
johnxI think it's safe to assume most N8x0 users have that installed21:37
GAN800Fewer steps21:37
johnxheh...not when it turns into a 10 post thread before they give up21:37
lcukthats a different issue then!   "why can't people give concise instructions which work in all cases"21:38
zs_is it possible to browse available packages inside scratchbox?21:38
johnxzs_, you can get a list21:39
johnxsomething like:  apt-cache pkgnames | less21:39
johnxpress q to quit from that21:39
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johnxuse dumpavail instead of pkgnames for more info21:40
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johnxlcuk, finally got around to trying liqbase...this reminds me of oldschool demos in a lot of good ways :)21:40
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zs_hm there is no cairo :/21:41
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lcukjohnx :) it is a technology demo at the moment, i wanted to see why i couldnt do what i wanted - but so far i can21:41
johnxzs_, did you download the .deb file and install it?21:41
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lcukjohnx, i'm building stuff ontop of it now and actually getting useful stuff out of - mind you i use it every day anyway so its useful for me21:42
zs_johnx, i didn't, i don't know exactly from where and how :/21:43
lcuk:) i wish there was a demo scene around to show us whats good about our device21:43
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* lcuk remembers all the mega demos on the amiga21:43
johnxlcuk, well, at this point it seems like you're it :)21:43
johnxI am just really impressed with how smooth you got this. video doesn't do it justice21:44
* lcuk is state of the art21:44
eichi_penguinbait, last question...if i edit bootmenu.conf on /mnt/initfs only save file and it works after next boot?21:44
lcukthat makes me feel quite good actually :) i dont see the point in spending 300 for something that doesnt act like a tablet21:44
lcuki dont want to run bloated old slow fat desktop ports of software i want to touch my tablet21:44
johnxhigh speed display stuff has always seemed a weak point in embedded linux machines, especially those with high res displays21:45
johnxthe VGA zauruses had the same problem21:45
penguinbaitI have not tested, but in the past, you have been able to edit it right on the device, and I believe qwerty said that is the case21:45
whooperwhat do you guys think of
penguinbaitI have not tested this version of initfs21:45
whooperthe weird nokia viral marketing website?21:46
penguinbaitbut if you can edit it on /mnt/initfs, then yes21:46
lcukjohnx :) well im building a library of things together which should be able to handle changing thinking about it21:46
lcukive even considered building a greyscale x11 driver for nit which should run at fullspeed21:46
GAN800Should be much better moving forward with OMAP321:46
johnxit will fly on the OMAP321:46
lcukyer for about 10 minutes unless battery is updated21:47
GAN800Wonderful, droolworthy OMAP321:47
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johnxOMAP3 should be more power efficient than the OMAP2 or so everyone says21:47
GAN800lcuk, have you read anything about OMAP3. :/21:47
lcukmore efficient? you mean it can run at fullspeed and still use less battery than current?21:47
GAN800It's the same battery usage as OMAP2 at 2-3x the performance.21:48
penguinbaitwhen will next gen devices be available?  DEC08 or q1 09 or??21:48
lcukive read lots gen, but nothing which puts it in real terms21:48
GAN800penguinbait, my money is on December.21:48
* lcuk iwll read more21:48
penguinbaitI am ready for my n90021:48
whooperchristma-- er, holiday season21:48
whooperalso when people get bonuses21:49
johnxzs_, hang on, getting you a link21:49
zs_johnx, i am trying download libcairo but which architecture should i choose (arm?)21:49
eichi_someone knows mamona?21:49
penguinbaitperhaps end of november, after last year fiasco, no pun intended21:49
johnxzs_, armel, yes21:49
GAN800OMAP3 will have the same consumption rates as OMAP221:49
lcukthen hope they improve screen and wifi consumption then21:49
zs_i got this  package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)21:49
penguinbaitMEMORY, I NEED MEMORY :)21:49
johnxwifi consumption is approximately a ton better than just about anything else out there already21:50
lcukpenguinbait, one day i went to blackpool pleasure beach, i went on the big dipper and the grand national, then we went home21:50
GAN800Who knows, I doubt it'll be more than 256. All other OMAP3 devices are 12821:50
johnxrunning a wireless radio is just a power hungry application21:50
GAN800johnx, yeah, lcuk just needs to get a real router. . . .21:51
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penguinbait256 = better than 128 :) at least we would still be on an upward trend :)21:51
lcukjohnx, i really never considered myself to be in the demo scene21:51
* lcuk is still a bit shocked to realise that he is21:51
johnxright from the splashscreen full of stars it feels demo-y21:52
penguinbaitlcuk, are those euphemism's21:52
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lcukno penguinbait, you said you wanted memories21:52
penguinbaitI was a tad confused :)21:52
lcukyou get that way when you become senile21:53
penguinbaitActually I said I wanted Memory, which is actually more room for memories (kind of)21:53
lardmanhow easy is it to call c++ code from c?21:53
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johnxzs_, go there, grab the highest version libcairo2 and libcairo2-dev for armel21:54
penguinbaitI am not senile, more thanm likely just on drugs21:54
zs_johnx, thank you :)21:54
eichi_Nokia-N800-23-14:/mnt/initfs# mount | grep swap21:54
eichi_penguinbait, no swap?21:54
practisevoodoo__when you are using the keyboard on the n810 there is this bar at the bottom of the screen that tells you when you are in caps mode and thats it21:54
lcuklardman, not easily unless you want a completely encapsulated function, easier would be to translate your program to run in a c++ context and keep all your c code21:54
practisevoodoo__is there anyway to turn this off, it is taking too much screen space21:55
lcukpractisevoodoo__, in control panel21:55
eichi_Swap:       262136            0       26213621:55
eichi_okay ^^21:55
practisevoodoo__ok im in the control panel...21:55
lcukpractisevoodoo__, text input settings, on screen and languages21:55
lardmanlcuk: how annoying of people to write in C++21:55
eichi_but is this the same like the advanded memory in the control panel?21:56
penguinbaitno eichi21:56
practisevoodoo__i have "on-screen" and "languages"21:56
penguinbaitThat is swap file, you have swap partition21:56
lcuklardman, what are you tryign to do?  is it something tiny that you could self translate to c or a big project21:56
lcukturn all that crap off21:56
lardmanlcuk: reasonably big, barcode decoder21:56
eichi_penguinbait, oh, then i dont need so much swap ;D shit21:57
practisevoodoo__ahhh ok, thanks21:57
eichi_how much do you have?21:57
lcukmake your gstreamer cam reader a c++ projest21:57
penguinbaitSo if I used a file and partitioned it with and ext2 and SWAP partition, would it be a swap file or a swap partition?21:57
eichi_okay, then 256 isnt sooo much21:57
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penguinbaitNo its fine, it will give you more time to find runaway processes :)21:58
lcuklardman, how about adapting the barcode reader into something which takes parameters of a saved or mmpped image?21:59
eichi_but now i ask where all my internal space is21:59
lcukor just get used to ++ :P21:59
penguinbaitin root21:59
* lcuk has moved to c++ for liqbase21:59
penguinbait( / )21:59
eichi_i did 1GB für maemo and 256 für swap, it says 1000 free21:59
lardmanlcuk: yeah, I could run it stand alone and pipe data to it, but I'd prefer to have the whole lot in one binary21:59
lcukive dragged all the code in and tweaked the headers22:00
penguinbait( o ) ( o )22:00
lardmanlcuk: perhaps I'll just rewrite the library22:00
lcukthe main code works nicely and i get the benefits(!?) of ++ for when i need them22:00
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penguinbaitdf -h (in xterm will show your filesystems sizes)22:00
eichi_whaat / is 2.5 GB22:01
eichi_i sayd 102422:01
penguinbaitypu cant say 1024?22:02
eichi_Nokia-N800-23-14:~/install-tools# grep FAT INTERNAL.txt22:02
eichi_FAT   102422:02
penguinbaitFAT is not /22:02
eichi_then i missunderstud22:03
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penguinbaitIt creates FAT and SWAP at specified sizes, then uses remaining space for ext2 partition (clone)22:03
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penguinbaitFAT it the filesystem used to transfer files via USB cable, mmc1 and mmc222:03
eichi_oh okay, shit22:04
eichi_yes, now i understand22:04
eichi_but i can change fat to ext3 after flashing, right?22:04
penguinbaitSo you could probably shink FAT down if you dont need it that big, or increase it by 1.5GB to shring OS space to 1GB22:04
eichi_then i have to recreate initfs22:04
eichi_i does no changes on the clone @the moment, i will re-run your script22:05
penguinbaitif you have a working (edited version) of bootmenu.conf, just save it aside and after you update place it back22:05
eichi_yes, i know, thanks22:05
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penguinbaityou shouun uninstall and then reinstall22:05
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* johnx sleeps22:06
Atariitalking of installing fun.. can i have 2006 on the internal and 2008he on the mmc (on my 770) or will that kill it?22:06
penguinbaitI really need a 770 for testing crap22:07
eichi_penguinbait, uninstall?22:07
Atariii really need to upgrade my 770 so i dont have to test crap22:07
GeneralAntillesAtarii, only issue might be kernel.22:08
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure on that one, though.22:08
GeneralAntillesfanoush has kernel switching planned at some point22:08
Atariiok guess ill have to give it a spin and hope for the best22:08
eichi_penguinbait, there is no info for uninstalling22:09
penguinbaitits a deb22:10
penguinbaitoh sorry, I am slow today22:10
penguinbaitno uninstall need with advanced edition22:10
Atariijust to be sure, after movinig 2008he to the mmc and installing the bootmenu initfs etc, do i use the linux flasher to just install the 2006 filesystem in internal?22:10
Atariias in only use "--rootfs" for the internal part22:10
GeneralAntillesShould work22:12
penguinbaitanyone doing anything fun this weekend, its a three day weekend here in the states22:12
* GeneralAntilles is driving home to be pestered by his parents.22:13
penguinbaitis home in FL too?22:13
GeneralAntillesYeah, home is the location in my itT profile.22:13
GeneralAntillesSchool is more northerly.22:14
GeneralAntillesBut in-state.22:14
zs_damn,  undefined reference to `gdk_cairo_create', any ideas?22:14
penguinbaitSt. Petersburg, FL22:14
penguinbaitgot it22:14
GeneralAntillesCarpooling with 3 other people and a cat22:15
GeneralAntillesshould be interesting22:15
penguinbaithey at least you got your tablet22:15
penguinbaitmaybe find some catnip to bring along for fun22:16
GeneralAntillesCanola2 with NPR podcasts and Maemo Mapper makes for a great traveling companion.22:16
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asedenoHas anyone had problems tethering since upgrading to Diablo? I used to be able to tether my N810 to my Treo 755p with no trouble, but now it's not working. It still works for my laptop, so I know the phone half is still working.22:19
asedenoThe treo acknowledges a connection, bluetooth icon becomes the bt-dun icon, but then the N810 reports the connection failed.22:19
penguinbaitGA = 2.72 posts per day, I am only at 2.02 per day :(22:20
lcuk(0.22 posts per day)22:20
lcuki never fini22:21
penguinbaitGA was: Thanked 897 Times in 514 Posts , I was only Thanked 460 Times in 173 Posts :(22:21
penguinbaitI think my ratio on thanks might be winning though :)22:21
lcukThanked 14 Times in 4 Posts22:22
penguinbaitmore thanks in fewer posts22:22
GeneralAntillesI think rm_you is winning overall for that:
GeneralAntilles110 Times in 14 Posts22:22
lcukyer, rm_you posts pictures of beach thongs22:23
asedenodigging through logs, looks like acydlord was having the same problem.22:23
GeneralAntillespenguinbait, I think I may have to hang up the hat once I hit 1000 Thanks, though. :D22:23
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penguinbaitnot too far away, that will give me some time to catch up :)22:24
lcukGeneralAntilles, :) you are genuinely an asset to have around the nokia tablets.  i might not click thanks to you in the forums, but i find it remarkable how much you know and are involved in22:24
RaytrayHehe antilles.22:24
GeneralAntillesI kicked it in gear and picked up a bunch powering past handful when he passed me back around 30022:25
GeneralAntillesBeen coasting for a while22:25
penguinbaitwho else can patiently answer idiots questions :)22:25
GeneralAntillesNeed another brawl thread to pick up some more.22:25
penguinbaitnot I22:25
penguinbaitI get to mad at stupid people22:26
* GeneralAntilles pokes Raytray with a sharpened stick.22:26
GeneralAntillesLike that one.22:26
penguinbaitlike this one22:26
GeneralAntillespenguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me of helping them out.22:27
lcuki might have a go at writing a fractal explorer for my nit22:27
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: penguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me for helping them out.22:27
penguinbaitGA is burning the candle at both ends :)22:27
RaytrayIs there a limit system to thanking? ie: can't spam thank to a dozen guys in ten minutes or a dozen thanks to the same guy in three minutes.22:27
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lcukGeneralAntilles, all your sockpuppet accounts can't be too bad can they :P you argue with yourself and then login and thank yourself from all accounts :P22:28
* GeneralAntilles runs away.22:28
* GeneralAntilles == Umptious/meanwhile.22:28
GeneralAntillesRaytray, no spam limits.22:28
GeneralAntilleson Thanks!22:29
penguinbaitI have truly enjoyed being part of the tablet community for 3 years, we need to have a party somewhere22:29
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GeneralAntillesTexrat is more than enough evidence of that.22:29
penguinbaitIt would be nice to put some faces to some names (GA not included)22:29
GeneralAntillesWould've been nice for that place to have been LinuxTag with time/money.22:29
GeneralAntillesor OSiM with the same.22:30
penguinbaitI know what his pastey white face looks like :)22:30
penguinbait<----------- Ducks22:30
lcukmaemo summit is where the party is happening22:30
towoLT sucks balls.22:30
towoCome to 25C3. ;)22:30
lcukberlin september22:30
GeneralAntillesI keep meaning to pop that picture into photoshop and apply a color shift.22:30
penguinbaitGermany does not sound like a fun trip to me22:31
GeneralAntillesGet myself lookin' like one o' these fellas.
towosays the merkin.22:31
penguinbaitah the original umpa loompa's22:32
GeneralAntillestowo, the relevant part of LinuxTag was the Maemo session and meetup. :)22:32
lcuktheres a vid at the moment of an umpalumpa (or is he a leprachaun?) getting into a fight22:32
penguinbaitmuch better that the new ones22:32
GeneralAntillespenguinbait, are there any others? :P22:32
lcuklinuxtag was great fun (apart from the 5minutes i was up)22:32
GeneralAntillesWilly Wonka is a staple of my childhood.22:32
penguinbaitThey re-did the movie with Jhonny dep22:32
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know.22:32
towoGeneralAntilles: LinuxTag _still_ sucks monkey balls through a baby straw.22:32
GeneralAntillesJust not the same.22:32
penguinbaitI liked the original WAY better22:33
JamieBennettmaybe a dumb question but how do you include the .glade file when building a .deb file? My app installs to /usr/bin but where and how is the .glade file referenced?22:33
penguinbaitGene Wilder was great in that movie22:33
GeneralAntillesDepp just isn't Gene Wilder22:33
GeneralAntillesI love going back and rewatching Willy Wonka now that I'm older22:33
GeneralAntillesThere's so much more to appreciate.22:33
penguinbaitI find myself wanting to click a thanks button :)22:33
* lcuk makes up a quick thanks button with a paypal thing coded behind22:34
eichi_ can someone say me, what he plays at 1:00 on maemo? looks very cool!!!!22:35
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GeneralAntillesWoo, all the new wiki plugins are in place
* GeneralAntilles has an itch to watch Willy Wonka again. . . .22:39
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Andy80hi all :)22:40
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Andy80just installed Android on my N810... it runs, but.... how can I connect to internet? Where is wifi settings?22:41
Knirchisn't this kind of the wrong channel to ask that question? :D22:41
GeneralAntillesWell, seeing as how the two people who got it running in the first place are both here, no. ;)22:42
Knirchtrue :D22:42
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* mgedmin was interested for a while, but then saw the dreaded words "flash the kernel"22:42
penguinbaitAndy80, connect and then launch it22:42
asedenore: bluetooth dun -- oddly enough, clearing my username fixed it.22:42
penguinbaitsorry I know thats not real usefull, but thats all I got22:42
Andy80penguinbait: thanks I'll try22:42
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Andy80penguinbait: to exit Android, do I have to reboot device?22:43
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penguinbaitthere goes the uptime :)22:44
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snowmoon-workWiFi... will it just use whatever the NIT would have used or is it locked to what you "booted" into?22:48
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snowmoon-work^ was referring to andriod ( needs caffeine obviously )22:49
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keesjJamieBennett: I guess you need to make sure the make install copied the file23:00
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JamieBennettkeesj: Where does it copy it to?23:01
JamieBennetton the target?23:01
JamieBennettI have a perfectly working app that when run from the command line in its directory works great. After making a .deb I can't see where it picks up its .glade file from and its moaning about it23:02
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keesjtry listing the content of the deb (dpkg-deb -c23:03
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JamieBennettah no glade file. Where should they be copied to?23:04
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mgedmin/usr/share/$myapp is the usual place, I believe23:07
JamieBennettthat makes sense, thanks23:08
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eichi_does the internal flash filesystem compress nearly 50%?23:10
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smackpotatofree42 and numpty physics. do they work in the latest release23:15
JamieBennettnumpty physics works ok23:15
smackpotatohow about free42 its in garage23:16
JamieBennettalthough I'm still terrible at it ;)23:16
JamieBennettdon't know about free4223:16
smackpotatoits frikin dangerious its addicting23:16
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smackpotatoI guess il reflash anyway23:18
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GeneralAntillesSomething broke the template :<
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mgedmineichi_: I think that depends very much on the data23:21
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timelyxGeneralAntilles: i can kill quips from bugzilla23:24
GeneralAntillesKill the chinese spambot one 3rd from the bottom?23:25
GeneralAntilles"best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800"23:26
qwerty12_N800bugzilla spamming is a new one to me23:26
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timelyxquip spamming is *years* old23:27
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timelyxcan i not?23:28
timelyxok, one sec23:28
GeneralAntillesCan somebody confirm that looks something like ?23:28
timelyx The quip 'best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800' has been deleted.23:28
timelyxfwiw, i can see who posts quips... so if people need to be tracked or whatever...23:29
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lcukGeneralAntilles, yes, it looks similar, but the png has a big "You have new messages" thing in the middle23:30
GeneralAntilleslcuk, another wiki bug. . . .23:30
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lcuktimelyx, the police have a list like that as well23:30
timelyxThe account has been added to the quips-abusers group.23:31
timelyxfwiw, that bit will appear on the user if the user introspects :)23:31
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JamieBennettMore questions: I have #!/usr/bin/python2.5 at the top of a app and try to run it which doesn't work on the tablet (works in scratchbox). If I do a python app_name it works fine. Any idea's?23:34
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qwerty12_N800what does python2.5 app_name do?23:36
JamieBennettworks fine !23:36
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qwerty12_N800Hm, tried "#! /usr/bin/env python"?23:37
zaplcuk: does your program use YUV12 overlay?23:37
lcukJamieBennett, exectue attrib23:37
lcukyes zap23:37
qwerty12_N800doh, i think lcuk got it.23:37
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lcukhand coded the all the rendering routines (points/lines/rects/fonts/blitting/images...)23:37
zapIs there a way to get hw scaling for rgb?23:38
zapOr just yuv23:38
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lcukyes technically, though through sdl it doesnt appear to want to work, i havent looked as extensively though23:38
zapWhat means technically?23:38
zapHw supports it, but hw doesnt?23:39
zapSorry sw23:39
lcukthe lcd is capable of arbitary scaling up of a properly configured window23:39
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lcukit kinda works and things can be made to do pixel doubling but its not as straight foreward23:39
zapThis should be pretty handy instead of converting rgb  to yuv just to get hw upscaling23:40
lcukand from the basic testing i was doing i couldnt get stable refreshes and certainly not without tearing, but that may just have been lack of knowledge with sdl and the omapfb23:40
zapPixel doubling is not what I mean23:40
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crashanddie_lcuk: ping23:41
lcukyes i agree, but for what i need, rgb->yuv isnt an issue:  vectors aree colors anyway, and the magic bit: jpeg images are internally YUV at correct resolution :) i should be able to load and display a jpeg faster than anything else on the system23:41
crashanddie_I'll take for a pong23:41
JamieBennettsorry attrib?23:41
lcukyes you do23:41
qwerty12_N800JamieBennett, chmod +x23:41
JamieBennettit has +x already :(23:41
JamieBennett(thats what I thought you meant23:42
crashanddie_lcuk, liqbase (sdl one) doesn't work with the android kernel23:42
lcukwhere have you saved the .py file23:42
zapI mean upscaling , say , 320x240 to 800x60023:42
lcukdont expect it to - it uses hard wired offsets into the xvimage23:42
zapLike uqm does23:42
zapOops, 800x48023:42
lcuki already know that and i even know how to change it, hang on a mo23:42
qwerty12_N800the android kernel sets framebuffer into automatic ;)23:42
crashanddie_ok, just wanted to point it out23:43
lcuk/ lcuk: damn all this time i have been calculating planes and offsets and sizes i could have used23:43
lcuk/ properties from the XVImage itself.23:43
lcuk/ what a plonker i am, ahhh well too late to adjust right now, that will come later23:43
lcukcrashanddie, :) i told you, im one step ahead ;)23:43
qwerty12_N800in my next kernel release, i 'm  reversing that and getting penguinbait to switch to fb-update-mode :p23:43
crashanddie_yeah yeah, so is your ego23:43
* lcuk has spent far too long being on the trailing edge23:44
crashanddie_Btw, I'm sitting (lying actually) in a field of weed23:44
qwerty12_N800weed as in getting high weed?23:44
lcukhemp or weed23:44
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crashanddie_define hemp23:45
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JamieBennettIf someone could take a little look I would be grateful, its my first .deb package. Works fine with python /usr/bin/mcurrency but not with /usr/bin/mcurrency but x is set for all. It can be got from -
lcukweed that doesnt get you high23:45
chillei have som strange problems with gdb23:45
chillei'm trying to debug an application, but it just craches23:45
chillegdb says:23:45
qwerty12_N800hemp can eff off then :p23:45
crashanddie_weed then :)23:45
chilleProgram terminated with signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.23:45
chilleThe program no longer exists.23:45
qwerty12_N800i want weed23:45
lcukhemp is a very useful plant used in industry for rope etc23:45
chilleand i can't do a backtrace23:45
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chilleany ideas?23:45
lcukcrashanddie, what are you doing in afghanistan23:46
qwerty12_N800crashanddie_, give me the address,  i'll go to france for it :p23:46
crashanddie_want gps coordinates ?23:46
GeneralAntillesHrm, interesting, apparently cmd-ctlr-r is "restore snapshot" and not "force reload" . . . .23:46
qwerty12_N800okie :p23:46
lcukzap, upscaling is normally 400*240 up23:46
rm_youJamieBennett: sorry for the basic question if this is obvious, but... do you have #!/bin/python at the top of your file? >_>23:46
rm_youthat's all i can think of23:47
rm_youor, #1/usr/bin/python23:47
infobotrm_you meant: or, #!/usr/bin/python23:47
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rm_younot sure where it is on the tablet23:47
JamieBennettrm_you: yes. I'm sure its obvious but I can't see it at the moment, another pair of eyes would be great23:47
zaplcuk: well uqm native res is 320x240 so it has to be upscaled to 800x48023:47
rm_youJamieBennett: well, I haven23:47
rm_youhaven't installed it, so i havent looked at the file23:48
rm_youthats just off the top of my head23:48
crashanddie_qwerty: lemme get a fix23:48
lcukzap, no it doesnt - it can be nicely upscaled to 640*480 and leave yourself an aera for maemo updates, but it might be technically possible to use the same arbitary upscaling that xv uses, ive only heard about doubling being available for rgb23:48
qwerty12_N800JamieBennett, sorry, but, wtf! it's in windows text format! :)23:48
rm_youick, lol23:49
JamieBennetthow? I don't use windows23:49
rm_youpoor python interpreter23:49
JamieBennettAll done under Ubuntu23:49
qwerty12_N800I can see #!/usr/bin/python2.5^M23:49
rm_youdid you EVER open it on a windoze machine?23:49
lcukqwerty12_N800, you sure your xp hasnt tainted it :P23:49
JamieBennettgeany text editor23:49
JamieBennettrm_you no23:50
rm_youlol dunno then23:50
rm_youthat could be the problem tho23:50
qwerty12_N800lcuk, pretty sure, yeah :p23:50
JamieBennettI'll edit it with vi23:50
rm_youyou should do that anyway :P23:50
* rm_you puts on his VI clergy gear23:50
JamieBennettUrgh, how did that happen !23:50
lcukJamieBennett, you could have tainted the file when you originally got it and geany is just keeping the original bits23:50
crashanddie_just open it in a good editor that eradicates that bastard newline encoding23:51
JamieBennettI started in geany though, ah well, vi it is from now on23:51
qwerty12_N800I just use mousepad + gedit :)23:51
crashanddie_vi when in ssh, gedit when in xwindow23:51
rm_youAnd the great VI said, let there be fast, highly robust text editing! And lo, its words became truth.23:51
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping.23:52
* rm_you bows down before VI23:52
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JamieBennettactually I hate vi, vim all the way23:52
lcukfeck you lot: notepad ftw!23:53
lbtall of you23:53
JamieBennettlbt: dont cuss on the channel!23:53
lcukactually it fails pretty badly23:53
||cwa good edit will keep the original newlines until you tell it to convert them23:53
lbtsays the ^M man23:53
lcuk||cw, this i agree with, and if jamie is as pure as he says that could explain where his problem comes from23:54
JamieBennettIt's all geany's fault, I tried a new editor (recommended by a python 'friend'), crap bit of software!23:54
JamieBennettHey, I was using kernels before the 1.0 release and you were in nappies still ;)23:55
lcukright, tonight i am going to do some coding23:55
* lbt thinks me too23:55
lcukive been thinking about it for long enough23:55
lcukJamieBennett, i was doing hardcore asm coding before linus even started developing the kernel23:56
* lbt has just been beating himself up with nested classes and visibility and friends - all for 'elegant' design...23:56
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JamieBennettlcuk: oh I see you and raise you 6 full years of commercial z80 asm programming on a 8mhz powered board!23:57
qwerty12_N800ooh, fight!23:57
lbtTRS-80 ?23:58
lcukme and my mum copied a basic program on a spectrum without switching it off (cos we didnt know how to save it :S)23:58
* lcuk hardcore23:58
lbtI built a half-adder on veroboard23:58
JamieBennettibt: our own hardware23:58
lcukit took about 3 bastard weeks23:58
lbtAnd it worked!!23:58
qwerty12_N800man, all I can see is a show of ages :p23:58
crashanddie_well, time for coffee, back in a bit23:58
lbtdidn't do much :(23:58
qwerty12_N800coffee? ;)23:58
lcukJamieBennett, :) you actually win the battle23:58
JamieBennett:P I ain't that old too (but I do a pretty cool job!)23:59
lbtI am :(23:59
lcukwork in a fridge factory?23:59
zaplcuk: it is ok that some funcs in your prog will SIGSEGV?23:59
zapor that's unexpected :)23:59
eichi_ someone knows this?23:59
JaffaGeneralAntilles: cool23:59
megabyte405I lose, but at least I own an Apple ///23:59

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