IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-07-01

lcukit was me that found a few sites suggesting it yer - and everyone was talking about ip6 having just been installed etc00:00
Atariiaha, thanks for the help, it definately was ipv6 troubles00:00
Atariibut 2008he bugs out when trying to add manual dns entries00:00
qwerty12_N800did you fix it?00:00
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lcukreally good to know for future then00:01
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Atariii changed to 2006 and put in opendns as the dns addresses00:01
Atariithen it worked00:01
lcukatarii, do you fancy just putting a small posting on iTT to let people in similar situation know what to do?00:01
lcukgreat :D GeneralAntilles will love you forever00:02
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GeneralAntillesme love you long time00:02
lcuki think he might even have your babies if you put it on the wiki :P00:02
Atariiis it worth adding 2008he bugs to bugzilla?00:02
GeneralAntillesAtarii, probably not.00:03
GeneralAntillesThere's a garage tracker for the backport.00:03
GeneralAntillesHacker Edition00:03
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Atariioh man im a noob, its already on iTT00:04
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StskeepsCapn_Fish: aye00:06
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lcukCaptain fish eye?00:06
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Hrwuff.. xchat on n810|again00:07
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qwerty12_N800meh, i still wish skyhusker's svn repo was still up, we are .0.2 versions behind, imagine that!00:08
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Hrwdoes omweather 0.20.5 works for someone?00:10
HrwIt does not fetch data here00:10
qwerty12_N800works for me00:10
Hrwmaybe local pproblems00:11
Hrwwill check tomorrow00:11
Atariisame here Hrw00:11
Hrwhave a nice eveening00:11
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* crashanddie lights up a cig and throws one to lcuk00:12
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qwerty12_N800anyone know any other black themes for os2008 'cept lcars?00:15
straindWhat is 2008HE?00:15
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* straind hoped a bot would know.00:16
lcukcrashanddie, :) thanks matey.00:16
Atariistraind 2008 os for the 77000:16
lcukwhy arent you out drinking beer, you deserve it00:16
crashanddiebecause my mates are all screwing their girlfriends00:16
crashanddiehave to meet up with 'em around midnight :D00:16
straindAtarii: Thanks.  I was hoping for a link from a bot.00:16
Atariifor the download image?
lcukwhy aren't you out screwing their girlfriends as well?00:17
DarkenCZI get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )00:18
straindAtarii: Thanks again. : )00:18
qwerty12_N800maybe, they're fugly00:18
lcukor inflatable00:18
DarkenCZWhen I start apt-get update, I get this warning: W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )00:18
qwerty12_N800DarkenCZ, ignore it :)00:18
DarkenCZWhen I do apt-get update, I get this error W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )00:19
crashanddielcuk, they're jealous... Even though I'm not...00:19
DarkenCZI get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )00:19
qwerty12_N800we know.00:19
crashanddieDarkenCZ, really ? What's the error message ?00:20
straindI just had to flash my 770, and I figure I may as well try 2008HE before I get it loaded up with too many personalizations.00:20
crashanddieDarkenCZ, can you repeat that once more, I think we might have missed that ! :)00:20
GeneralAntillesDarkenCZ, that's normal ignore it.00:20
DarkenCZI get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :)00:20
DarkenCZI get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :)00:21
lcuksomeone owes me a new keyboard00:21
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lcukoh shit00:21
qwerty12_N800w00t, no more apt-get msgs00:21
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, when are you gonna find a staffer to re-register this channel in your name? :D00:22
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straindHas anyone notice the latest version of MaemoMapper being slower on 2006?00:22
X-FadeYes, we need to register it to a few community members.00:22
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lcuki can has 2006 on my n810?00:22
khertanHi !00:22
lcukhi khertan :D00:22
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Let's try to do that tomorrow.00:22
* X-Fade getting sleepy ;)00:22
khertansomeone have try diablo email with gmail ?00:23
DarkenCZWhen I tried to do apt-get update, I get this warning, what I am supposed to do with that? :) W: Conflicting distribution: diablo Release (expected diablo but got )00:23
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khertanHi lcuk00:23
X-FadeDarkenCZ: We saw you the first time too.00:23
lcukDarkenCZ, people have answered you already. apparantly you just do nothing00:23
lcukif you can continue, please do so00:23
lcukat the moment it sounds like you have a stutter00:24
X-FadeOk, I'll put the log up on the website tomorrow.00:24
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DarkenCZI am sorry, my irc client get stuck and it looked I am unable to send message :(00:25
X-FadeSee, that sleepy, I am.00:25
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DarkenCZI am apologize if you saw it more times, but I didn't catch any reply :(00:25
* lcuk throws x-fade a beer00:25
* khertan throws X-Fade a coffee :)00:25
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lcukgnite x00:26
* khertan drink a coffee and try again to compile edje-editor ...00:26
lcukso it doesnt look like im blowing a kiss00:26
khertangute nachte00:26
* Toba blows a kiss to lcuk 00:26
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lcuktoba, your tab completion is screwed, surely you meant GeneralAntilles :P00:27
* GeneralAntilles hides under his desk.00:27
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lcukkhertan, edge-editor looks good00:31
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* lcuk thinks edge looks a lot like the editors he has created00:34
burnteoh man, timeless? Jeez, I could have just asked on moznet if I knew you were here. :)00:34
burnteok, so, question. says "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." but I only see 0.6 available00:35
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burntejaffa, kree!00:38
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lbtI fixed my problem....00:38
lcukyer lbt, what did it turn out to be00:39
lbtsigc::bind() needs to wrap objects called by reference in a sigc::ref()....00:39
lcukclear as mud00:39
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lbtit was silently doing a shallow copy00:39
lbtand then sometimes reusing the shallow copy AFAICT00:40
burntesorry sp3000, there's no escaping me.00:40
lbtanyhow - back to making progress...00:40
sp3000I'm inclined to reply to just to say that since the bar does pop us as before, the behaviour is clearly roughly 80% different, not 100%00:40
* lbt bows deeply and returns to the arms of emacs...00:40
sp3000emacs has enough arms for everyone00:41
burnteit's like vishnu!00:41
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lcuklbt :) glad its solved anyway00:43
Atariioh man, id just completed my dual boot setup, then i stupidly use the windows flasher to install new os on the internel :(00:45
GAN800That's why you back up a copy of the bootmenu-ed initfs to your computer to flash. ;)00:46
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dmsupermanWhat app can I use to watch movies with?00:49
dmsupermanMPlayer won't let me seek anything, and it doesn't seem to play them at a reasonable rate00:49
GeneralAntillesmplayer. . . .00:50
GeneralAntillesSeek with the dpad or menu.00:50
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dmsupermanyeah, highlighting the menu Seek option and hitting right, or enter, or all manner of buttons doesn't seek00:51
GeneralAntillesWhat source?00:51
dmsupermanSD card00:51
GeneralAntillesThe answer to video playback on the NITs is pretty much always "mplayer"00:51
GeneralAntillesSomething's wrong then00:51
dmsupermanthe video is a divx avi00:51
GeneralAntillesShould seek just fine. :\00:52
lcukdmsuperman, i think seek on movies like that requires keyframes - if there arent keyframes (everything based on variation from first/previous) then you cant seek, but dont quote me on that one00:52
dmsupermanbut then would it seek everywhere but the n800?00:53
dmsupermanassuming mplayer here is just a port of MPlayer on linux even works on my desktop MPlayer00:53
dmsupermanand vlc00:53
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lcukwell then i dunno, but someone else might have same problem00:54
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lcuktheres more by searching google for mplayer "seek bug"00:55
dmsupermanwoops...i meant to say "is that page small screen friendly?"00:56
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dmsupermanI'm on the n800 right now00:56
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dmsupermanthat says he's having issues where the audio restarts00:58
dmsupermanmy problem is that the video won't even seek at all00:58
DekaritaeI bought a mini USB keyboard for my N80000:58
lcukdmsuperman, is it one single movie00:58
lcukor every movie00:58
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Dekaritaewhen I turn on USB host and plug it in, it behaves as if the Fn key is held down00:58
dmsupermani'm not sure, i only have one movie to test with00:59
dmsupermani know this movie seeks elsewhere however00:59
Dekaritaeso the Fn numpad is always active, and half the qwerty keys don't work00:59
lcukdmsuperman, then watch it elsewhere and test with others you get, it really could be a once only glitch00:59
lcukeveryone here uses mplayer and can do the things you say, but im also sure many of us have had bad movies which wouldnt work01:00
lcukwow, how many days has bill been gone?
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pupnikONN: "Warcraft Sequel Lets You Play A Character Playing Warcraft"
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lcukpupnik, I see your wowow and raise you a
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timelyburnte: um (in scrollback)01:27
timelyfwiw, seems to be up for people w/ mxr-dns01:27
crashanddieI'm starting to get pissed01:30
crashanddiewhen using esd, it's such an old arch that it frigging fails01:30
crashanddiewhen using gstreamer01:31
crashanddiefor some reason it just fails miserably when run on the tablet01:31
crashanddiegonna get drunk01:31
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zak__Hi .. i have a WSOD nokia 770 that i cannot return.. i bought it off ebay and the warranty is dead01:31
zak__how would i go about and fixing it?01:32
zak__everytime i power it on .. WSOD01:32
zak__i tried reflashing.. and nothing01:32
burntetimely: I'm jsut wondering, is it a typo, is it not out yet, or am I jsut not finding it?01:32
timelyyou've pulled the battery?01:32
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zak__timely: yeah.. several times01:32
zak__didnt help01:32
timelyinfobot mxr-maemo-org-dns?01:32
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timelyit's not a typo, but it does require a package to be installed01:33
timelyinfobot, deb?01:33
infobotwell, deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelyburnte: install that...01:33
timelythen try again :)01:33
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zak__anyone know how to fix a wsod nokia 770 ?01:33
zak__or a way i can try01:33
zak__im up for just about anything01:33
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timelyburnte: i need to bug ferenc about getting a proper dns entry01:36
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timelynow that the xref for diablo is up, it'd be a good time to do it01:36
zakmhow do i fix a nokia 770 WSOD ?01:36
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burntezakm: Also try
zakmi tried there01:38
zakmi tried all the ideas of taking out battery.. waiting.. putting in01:38
zakmi want to try and open up and fix possibly? but theres no guides for that01:38
burntetry starting it up, then pulling the battery while it's on01:38
burntealso, were flashes successful?01:38
florianzakm: Its a hardware issue, return it.01:38
zakmflashes were succesful01:38
zakmi cant return it?01:39
zakmi bought on ebay.. nokia warranty is over01:39
burntedid teh ebayer say it was working?01:39
zakmit lasted a good month? then i got wsod01:39
burnteif so, then it's not as described.01:39
timelyoh, hi burnte :)01:39
zakmit was working fine.. for the first month01:39
burntetimely: OH HAI01:39
zakmi tried that gameboy emulation app01:39
zakmit froze my nokia.. wouldnt turn or anything01:39
zakmtook out battery.. put back in.. damn wsod01:39
burntetimely: Yeah, some other sod has taken jx on freenode, so I resort to this nick here.01:39
zakmits fine.. i can turn on hear noises.. goto sound it plays.. but i dont have any visual -.-01:40
zakmi get the usual wsod white lines. .and when i click around the lines change position01:40
florianzakm: very unfortunate. From what I know this is a hardware failure that occurs after several reboots.01:40
zakmhow would i fix it though01:41
zakmim 17 years old.. i spent alot of my money on it01:41
zakmim up for really anything.. without warranty.. what do i have to lose?01:41
DekaritaeThat is the answer I was given in the same situation01:41
florianright, try to flash a new image first01:41
burntehe said several reflashes did nothing01:41
zakmreflash didnt work01:41
zakmi tried like 5 times01:42
DekaritaeGet a new battery01:42
zakmi tried 2008 HE , 2007HE and 2006 -.-01:42
zakmnew battery would work?01:42
zakmit works fine.. i just cant see anything.01:42
zakmi memorized the spots.. so i can play some music? lol01:42
DekaritaeJust a thought. I don't know the cause01:42
timelyburnte: anyway... did you install the deb? :)01:42
zakma new battery would fix it? .. on ITT people said its the LCD controller?01:42
burntetimely: Which one?01:43
zakmhow do you guys open it up anywhere.. i searched for a screwdriver that small and couldnt find01:43
timelymxr-maemo-org-dns :)01:43
burnteno, lemme do so01:43
DekaritaeBatteries can be the cause of many issues that look like they have other causes01:43
lcukzakm, ive not heard of anyone rectifying this problem themselves.  small screwdrivers kits are available in hardware stores01:43
zakmlcuk: my dad used to have a idk glass metal w.e business i dont quite know and theres 100s of screwdrivers but icant find one that small01:44
zakmi got awfully close01:44
zakmshould i try a new  battery like should i try to find someone with the same size battery and try?01:44
timelyoh brother. i can't change my nick because of some restrictive policy on #maemo-meeting01:44
lcukzakm, if you can find someone with the same model battery, that would of course be a none destructive option01:45
zakmis it worth searching for someone though?01:45
zakmthis is insane. i paid $85 for it.. lasted a month.. and now its like garbage -.-01:46
burnte"Forged DNS entry for" Oh timely, that instills me with such confidence!01:46
DekaritaeYou bought it uses, with no warranty01:46
zakmit was cheap .. even still though01:46
burntezakm: Like I said, search the itt forums and such too.01:46
zakmWSOD -.-01:46
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zakmim a high school student. i cant afford new instore01:47
burntetimely: Installed, now what?01:47
zakmburnte: have when it first got wsod like a month or two ago01:47
zakmburnte: and im checking now01:47
lcukzakm, do yourself the one thing which might possibly work.  write a real letter to nokia and tell them honestly what happened and ask for advice.  a real letter is important because email can be ignored or dismissed easily01:47
DekaritaeI paid $160 for my N800, but did so knowing that it is not going to last forever01:47
lcukyou are right that you have paid a lot of money and you have this fault.  maybe someone will agree from within nokia and attempt to help you more01:48
zakmi always wanted a nokia 770 .. ever since it came out .. but at 14 ( 2005.. i was 14 )  i couldnt afford it ;p01:48
zakmwould i be able to go to a nokia store? i live in Toronto, ON01:48
Dekaritaezakm: also, the 770 uses the B-7827 battery, which is standardised by Nokia and uses by many other phone01:48
lcukThis is a problem which doesnt really have any user curable solution01:48
lcukzakm, try anything01:48
timelyburnte: now try the mxr url again01:49
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lcuki do hope you get something sorted because the nokia tablets are amazing (you already know that)01:49
zakmhell yeah01:49
zakmspent so long on it :D01:49
zakmgot all the apps i could on the thing01:49
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m-cI got someone else to buy a NIT today01:50
m-cThat's like the sixth sale I recommended  :)01:50
zakmwhich one?01:50
lcukzakm, the one thing to be clear about is that this is not a user fault.01:50
zakmNIT's are so expensive online -.-01:51
zakmlcuk: is there a way to make them fix it.. even though its out of warranty?01:51
m-cThis one bought a 810 on ebay for $27001:51
burntetimely: works with your dns patch01:51
timelyfwiw it looks like ferenc or marcel are really trying to get to work properly :)01:51
lcukzakm, they are under no obligation to help you, though perhaps someone will go above and beyond for you.01:52
* timely should go and try to push the garage update, which is um.. a lot bigger01:52
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zakmbeing 17 year old might help?01:52
lcukwhen i was your age i had a situation with a cd burner.  i contacted the company (i got it as an aged freebie incomplete system) and managed to get interface cards and drivers sent out.   :)01:53
burntetimely: But blimey diablo is buggy01:53
DekaritaeNow I'm tempted01:53
zakmlcuk: were you still under warranty?01:54
zakm$120 is expensive -.-01:54
lcukwhat warranty? i got it out of a dumpster01:54
zakmi saw a nokia N810 on toronto craigslist for $150 ;p01:54
lcukthe cd drive however was expensive01:54
zakmlcuk: you found the cd drive.. called up .. and they sent drivers?01:54
lcukand hardware01:54
lcuki got interface card, cd caddies drivers and instructions01:55
zakm $150 N81001:55
burntezakm: His point is, if you're polite, and the company cares about its reputation, they'll usually try to help you in some way.01:55
lcuk^^ thats what i meant01:55
zakmim in a city.. they care less ;p01:56
burnteno, he said to write to Nokia01:56
burntenot jsut go to the local store01:56
burntethe execs at the company care a little more than minimum wage counter jockeys.01:57
zakmyou really think the letters do stuff nowadays?01:57
burnteI know they do.01:57
burntecheck out The Consumerist's talk about EECBs.01:57
zakmwhats that?01:57
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burnteThat's their slang for mailing company executives. Executive Email Carpet bomb.01:58
burntelike the folks who write to steve jobs when their mac breaks01:58
burntebut yes, polite and well written letters do wonders.01:59
burntethey show you've put time and thought into the situation.01:59
zakmim not a great writer.02:00
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burnteI didn't say gerat, I said well written. :) Take your time, run it past your english teacher.02:00
lcuktake your time, ask advice from teachers/parents02:00
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burnteheck, maybe she'll give you extra credit if you keep her in the loop for your communications, showing off what a good teacher she is. :)02:00
zakmits summer lol02:03
burnteoh, right. Well, you have parents, right? Your'e not an urchin living in doorways, I would assume.02:04
zakmdont get along with parents too well02:04
zakmi suppose so02:04
burnteyou're 17, no 17 year old gets along with their parents well.02:04
burnteit's a law of nature.02:04
zakmi wish i could just goto the store.. show them its broken pick up a new one and walk out02:04
burnteI'd be surprised if they even still stock 770s.02:05
lcuktry that first if its simpler, but i dont think it will work02:05
burntebut you could try. Again, politeness is a must.02:05
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timelydiscontinued products don't get regenerated02:05
timelynor resurrected02:05
burntetimeless: So, they're not like Doctor Who?02:05
timelythe parts and manufacturing for them become more expensive as time passes02:06
burntenor Christ?02:06
timelyburnte: sadly02:06
* burnte takes his n810 out of the Tardis...02:06
timelyit could be a bug02:06
zakmi never seen a NIT at a store?02:06
zakmi saw the nokia 770 on engadget years ago and then when i was surfing ebay i saw it and im like OMG i remember this I WANT IT :P02:07
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burntesadly, that sounds entirely plausible.02:10
zakmsorry g2g lol02:10
burnteGiven that, I'd say write Nokia. State that after researching, it seems your 770 has fallen prey to this problem with the LCD controllers.02:10
burntemaybe if you present yourself nicely, they'll replace it.02:10
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burntealways worth a shot.02:11
burnteor you could say g2g lol and leave.02:11
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henriquegood evening02:55
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timelyor something approximating it at 3am03:06
Robot101stupid last train back to cambridge03:10
Robot101stops 19 times and arrives at 01:3903:11
Robot101no sleep for me :(03:11
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Curs0rI could use some advice if anyone knows about the nokia n800. I plug it in to charge, it begins to charge, then the device resets and it begins to charge again. I think this may harm the battery.03:22
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Curs0rimmediately after the blue LED on the d-pad flashes, the device resets03:23
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fysathe ugly?04:20
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zakmanyone have any knowledge on opening up a nokia 770?05:10
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tank-mantry youtube05:14
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cactaurI have something to ask. I bought an N800, but then realized that my area is not as wifi-friendly as I had hoped; so the N800 turns out to be a paperweight most of the time. I was wondering if it would be more cost-effective to buy a cheapo phone with a data plan so that I can have a continuous connection, or to get rid of the N800 and buy something else that comes capable with a service plan like the openmoko or something similar?05:23
zakmdata plan?05:24
zakmthats so expensive05:25
zakmcactaur: ill give you $100 for your n800 :D05:25
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cactaurSo I'm guessing you agree with the second option.05:26
zakmlol i think you should convince ppl to be more wifi-friendly05:27
chmaccactaur: You mean you don't have a wifi connection or you don't find wifi around where you live?05:27
zakmnah .. my nokia 770 broke.. WSOD -.-05:27
cactaurchmac: Nah, I have a wifi connection at home. But when I travel around, there aren't as many options to connect as I would have hoped.05:28
cactaurMy basic goal is to stay connected.05:30
zakmthats hard05:31
zakmuse offline stuff?05:31
tank-manmaybe try an iphone w/ unltd data plan?05:33
zakmthat'll be so expensive wouldn't it?05:33
cactaurNot really.05:33
cactaurWell, I hear an unlimited plan is like, $20 a month.05:33
zakmcactaur: where you live?05:33
cactaurLos Angeles05:34
zakmah cool05:34
cactaurWhich you would THINK would be wifi friendly.05:34
zakmim in Toronto, ON05:34
zakmand the wifi is perfect :D05:34
zakmtoo bad my nokia broke and have no money to get a new one05:34
cactaurtank-man: I prefer open platforms. I REALLY do not want to get an iphone.05:35
tank-mani say iphone cause i heard the data plan is cheap with it05:35
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cactaurYeah, I read that the N800 was NOT supposed to be a phone. But I figured that with enough internet connections, I could just use Gizmo whenever I could get into a wifi zone. However, the only time I'm in an actual wifi zone is at home, where I have a land-line. So, do you still say that it would be best to just get an actual phone that can also do what the N800 does?05:57
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tank-man... n800 is not a phone06:15
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cactaurI know that. But I don't think there's a way to have the N800 itself connect to a data network, right? My main thing was that phones can access the internet via networks while the N800 relies either on wifi, or those phones. I just wanted to know if it would be more economical to just buy a phone that's very internet-capable and get rid of the tablet or to buy a cheap phone to connect to the network, and have the N800 connect through the cheap phon06:21
cactaure to the internet.06:21
cactaurI'm not complaining, I'm just asking for advice.06:22
zakmit can connect to data phone?06:22
zakmif you have a phone.. it can use the data plan on the phone?06:22
cactaurYeah, through bluetooth.06:22
zakmdont get rid of it06:22
zakmdonate to a 17 year old student whos nokia 770 got wsod and has no warranty :(06:23
cactaurzakm: I'll see what I can do. But right now I'm looking for more expert opinions.06:24
zakmawesome :D06:24
zakmseriously though.. get a phone and use the bluetooth ;p06:24
cactaurAll rightie, thanks for your thoughts.06:25
cactaurThough, I looked on ebay and there are people who start their N800 bids at $.9906:25
zakmyeah ive looked06:26
zakmbut they end at like $240- .l-06:26
cactaurI wonder if those end up better than those that start at $200.06:26
zakmi bought mine on ebay.. my nokia  770 for $85 .. in a month.. WSOD .. and now i have no way to fix it06:26
tank-mani think i saw like 5 ads for a n800 for ~$200 on craigslist in my area06:26
cactaurFlashing the OS doesn't help?06:26
zakmyeah i flashed like 50 times06:26
zakmit works just fine06:26
zakmbut its all white06:26
zakmtank-man im in Toronto, ON06:27
cactaurAnd Nokia won't cover it?06:27
zakmnokia.. im out of warranty06:27
zakmtank-man: i can get it for $200 at a store -.- .. i dont have money lol06:27
cactaurThat SUCKS.06:27
zakmyes it really does06:27
cactaurThey still sell them at stores?06:27
zakmi spent long saving up for it.. nojob no allowance.. im 17 years old06:27
zakmn800's .. yes06:27
zakmnot 770's06:28
cactaurI thought all N800 were sold out by now.06:28
zakmim in a huge city ;p06:28
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tank-mandid you drop it?06:30
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rwhitbycactaur: be aware that the iphone does not allow you to get an n800 to use it for data access.  no bluetooth tethering on the iphone.06:34
cactaurrwhitby: Don't worry. I'm staying well away from the iphone.06:34
rwhitbyoh, sorry, mixed cactaur and tank-man06:34
zakmtank-man: no06:35
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Dekaritaetank-man: I scored one for $160, but I haven't seen one at that price since06:55
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ranithi, how do i use hildon framework for a Qt application on n81007:43
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GeneralAntillesranit, you don't.07:50
ranitso is there any framework that allows me to work with Qt on the device, GeneralAntilles07:53
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ranitthanx , site updated on 26 jun07:58
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zapAnybody succeeded to get serial console on n810?08:02
zapor something equivalent, where I could see kernel messages08:03
GeneralAntilleszap, look at Debian-maemo?08:03
zapwhat is Debian-maemo?08:05
GeneralAntillesDebian boots with an fb console.08:06
zapHmm, interesting idea08:07
zapI could enable fb console in kernel08:07
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zapalthough this is not too good as you can't copy :)08:07
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johnxyou can at least watch boot messages on OS2008 as well08:09
zapwell I don't need boot messages :) I need debug output from a driver, and it generates a lot of output08:10
zapand then crashes :)08:10
johnxI don't remember hearing about many (any?) people getting serial console working...08:11
johnxdoesn't mean it's impossible of course, but there isn't any documentation for people outside Nokia unless I missed something08:11
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zapI have seen somewhere the pinout of the serial connector under the battery08:12
zapbut it's 3.3V and needs a voltage converter, unless your PC understands 3.3Vv08:12
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johnxmmm...more coffee08:17
Stskeepsi wonder how to force a +x attribute on a file in svn when it wasn't +x in the first place08:21
GeneralAntillesHrm, anybody think the "Securing root access" section here should be spun off to keep the size of the Root access article down?
GeneralAntillesOr does somebody want to prune the section a bit?08:22
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zapStskeeps: svn propset svn:executable 1 <file>08:30
Stskeepszap: ta08:30
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RST38hGA: IMHO, it should be comprssed not spun off08:34
zapGeneralAntilles: I'd put the section about R&D mode before "securing root access"08:34
zapand "securing root access" contains just too many words, I'd just put a simple instruction - do this, do that, period.08:35
RST38hzap: The R&D stuff has nothing to do with securing root access, it should really be placed above it08:36
zapthat's what I said08:36
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zapis there any reason to disable root logins via ssh? This seems ridiculous, as ssh was designed from the very beginning for secure root remote access08:37
RST38hSection Secure future root-level access  is empty and should be dropped08:37
GeneralAntilleszap, good enough for me.08:38
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GeneralAntillesDo we really need the list of Windows SSH clients?08:41
qwerty12Dunno. If not, I'd just mention in one sentence that putty can be used on windows/linux.08:42
GeneralAntillesI'm gonna say "no08:42
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GeneralAntillesThat belongs in an ssh access article.08:43
GeneralAntillesThe sudoers configuration steps should really be done with visudo, no?08:44
GeneralAntillesechoing that seems like a good way to end up with a reboot loop.08:44
qwerty12yes, it should for sure08:44
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you want to re-write those steps?08:44
qwerty12I'm not a wiki editor at heart :).08:45
qwerty12There's also another way of getting root too:
GeneralAntillesNo need to complicate things08:45
GeneralAntilles2 "root access" packages is more than enough.08:46
qwerty12If you want users to use visudo (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't), you may want to point them to a vi for n00bs site too.08:46
GeneralAntillesFor newbies asking "How do I get root", the answer shouldn't be "this package, or this package, or this package"08:47
GeneralAntillesHow do they know which one to choose?08:47
GeneralAntillesJust confusing.08:47
GeneralAntillesI'd say the 770 WSOD crap at the top can go.08:48
GeneralAntillesMost of the 770s that are going to WSOD have WSODed already.08:48
GeneralAntillesDisclaimer can probably go, too.08:48
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qwerty12Brilliant work on the wiki to all involved, I'm reading: . I'm learning a bit of python anyway so a little program to record from the radio would be nice :).08:52
tank-mani'd like an app like that :)08:52
qwerty12I'm a hypocrite. I've always said I didn't like python of the speed and guess what I am learning now >.<?08:52
qwerty12s/of/because of08:52
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qwerty12Any ideas? "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set08:55
qwerty12". I'm running in DIABLO_X86. Tell me I'm wrong, but I'd naturally assume I don't need any qemu as cputrans as my processor is already X86.08:55
johnxqwerty12, that's what happens to everyone. python is a pretty nice language to program in08:56
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timelyzap: yes disabling root logins via ssh is trivial08:57
timelySSH: Configuring Root Logins08:59
timelyPermitRootLogin no. This will disable all root logins. ... PermitRootLogin nopwd. This allows root logins only when an authentication method other than ...08:59
qwerty12I don't know why anyone would want to do that but a sed line should make that easier for people.08:59
timelydo what?09:00
timelyi could easily make a package to do it09:00
timelyi have sed packages :)09:00
qwerty12Cool :). I'm talking about disabling root logins over ssh.09:01
timelydo you want No, or Nopwd?09:01
timelyi'd probably make a Nopwd package09:01
GeneralAntillesWhat's the word on the user password these days?09:02
GeneralAntillesSeems to me we'd be better off with most of that section just going away. . . .09:02
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timelylast i checked you didn't want to set a user password if you wanted your device to boot properly09:03
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timelyyou can setup an ssh key on user though iirc09:04
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qwerty12If you were willing to use a usb keyboard and fanoush framebuffer tools, you probably could set a user password...09:04
GeneralAntillesThink in terms of users.09:04
GeneralAntillesDo they really need to do these things?09:04
GeneralAntillesI'd say, "no".09:05
timely"do which"?09:05
qwerty12Same here. I don't know why a user would want to set a password anyway on user. I'd just point to the device lock feature.09:05
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qwerty12(although that can be broken with a cat and grep >.<)09:06
GeneralAntillesThe sudoers lines are just a good way to end up in a reboot loop.09:06
qwerty12I would not recommend leaving them there. If the user really needs to run a certain program as root without typing root etc, then they can use fanoush script:
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timelyGeneralAntilles: as is, i wouldn't understand that the section doesn't apply to n810s09:08
timelyso it really needs to be changed09:08
melmothqwerty12: first thing i do once i install ssh is to change the root and user password09:09
timelyAt this point you should have gained root access to your device, and be looking at the root prompt:09:09
timelyHowever, if your Wi-Fi network is not password protected, so might anyone else near you who has Wi-Fi, SSH and a clue.09:09
timelyYou still need to secure the root account ("rootme" is a terrible password).09:09
timelyit still doesn't tell me this only applies to old systems that didn't change the password09:10
qwerty12melmoth, change it yes. I think disabling it is a bit extreme though.09:10
qwerty12fcuk scratchbox btw, I'm compiling outside of it and it still wants to run: "faheem@andLinux:/scratchbox/users/faheem/home/faheem/kernel/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source$ make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=../../arm-2008q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi- bzImage" " /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /targets/links/scratchbox.config: No such file or directory"09:10
timelyqwerty12: i could change so that it Set PermitRootLogin nopwd09:11
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timelyqwerty12: did you reconfigure?09:11
qwerty12good point, make clean doesn't remove a .config file, does it?09:12
* timely shrugs09:12
timelyi was just assuming it wasn't a feature of the sources09:12
timelyi don't really want to look09:12
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|kki|mmm seems "cron" drain my battery very fast :(09:12
qwerty12Heh, no probs, just dunno why it's being a asshole. scratchbox sucks because it thinks X86 needs a cputransparency >.<09:13
GeneralAntillesYes, there's a reason Nokia doesn't bundle it.09:13
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|kki|but i don't' know why it does this, i do not see cpu consuming09:14
GeneralAntillesDoesn't take but a little bit.09:14
GeneralAntillesOK, dneary's wiki article for today is pretty much there.09:15
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johnx|kki|, the things that drain the CPU the most are apps causing it to wake up all the time09:18
GeneralAntillesAnybody have an opinion on non-English pages in the wiki?
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timelyGeneralAntilles: i don't want search clutter09:31
timelydns entries are fine :)09:31
GeneralAntillesYeah, neither do I.09:32
GeneralAntillesWe'd have to run a separate wiki install for each language, then.09:32
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qwerty12Man, I really could do with a windows compile of 0xFFFF. libusb is available on windows too. If the windows nokia flasher was going to be made retarded, at least add some phoenix features in it.09:34
timelyGeneralAntilles: on an as requested basis. minimum commitment = 5 people09:35
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timelywe don't need extra ways to host wiki spam09:35
GeneralAntillesI don't think any non-english wiki is gonna have the people behind it to be feasible, myself.09:36
timelyas requested trial basis. surveyed monthly, if spam exceeds X, it's disabled.09:37
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GeneralAntillesSounds like a plan, but it's something that'll need to be pushed more than anything.09:39
timelynot my problem09:41
GeneralAntillesNot mine, either. :D09:41
timelyanyway stick my comments into the page and move along ;-)09:42
JaffaMorning, all09:42
GeneralAntillesHowdy, Jaffa.09:43
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qwerty12w00t, my port of the android omap patches to diablo kernel worked :)09:48
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JaffaAnd what do they do?09:49
johnxqwerty12, O_o09:50
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johnxthat must have taken a bit of effort!09:50
qwerty12Jaffa, Allow me to run android hopefully. There's a touchscreen fix which I'll look into later. Anyone know how well framebuffer works, I've got to try and port an onscreen keyboard which lives in the kernel (yes, this was new to me too)09:51
qwerty12johnx, yep :)09:51
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Jaffaqwerty12: ah, right09:52
johnxprobably lots of tearing too09:52
qwerty12johnx, yeah, i think it will be easier to just get a usb keyboard09:52
johnxwell, slow framebuffer is kind of unavoidable without xomap09:53
johnxdoesn't matter if you're using an onscreen keyboard or just poking around with the touchscreen09:53
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RST38hhrw,qwerty,johnx,jaffa: moo.10:11
RST38hok, let us make it "hello".10:12
johnxI respond to moo and m00 also of course :)10:13
johnxthe "hmm?" was more of a "What's up?"10:13
JaffaRST38h: moooning10:14
* johnx wanders AFK to do dishes :|10:16
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hrwhi Jussi10:17
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GeneralAntillesAnybody want to volunteer to start on this?
hrwGeneralAntilles: to write about it?10:18
GeneralAntillesYeah, to start the article.10:19
hrwnot me then10:19
GeneralAntillesPut together an infobox, write an introduction, start filling in the history and information.10:19
hrwI have nightmares after looking at m-m source10:19
GeneralAntillesThe wiki interest that was drummed up during that Upmtious/meanwhile nonsense has long since faded.10:21
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keesjany dreambox owners around?10:22
Navizomg viruzez10:25
devkeesj: I can relay you to one, but not sure if he is awake yet10:26
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RST38hGA: Invite him back!10:29
RST38hGA: Btw, hrw found who Darius was - apparently some Polish celebrity troll with psychiatric problems10:30
JaffaAye. I wish I could read Polish to read the stuff about him :/10:31
GeneralAntillesfanoush noticed that10:31
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* X-Fade thinks GA tracks Recent Changes :)10:38
GeneralAntillesSomething like that.10:38
GeneralAntillesIt's still light enough to keep track. ;)10:38
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lbtdo you have a wiki notification mechanism?10:39
lbtlike watch10:39
lbtbut 'watch all'10:39
lbtincluding new pages10:39
GeneralAntillesWell, if there's specific articles you want to keep track of:
GeneralAntillesTo see the whole feed:
X-Fadelbt: There is a rss feed for Recent Changes too.10:40
GeneralAntillesIt kinda sucks, though.10:40
X-FadeYes, but at least you see there _was_ a change ;)10:40
timelygan: i missed the meeting?10:40
lbtI wanted an email notification for my wiki :
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, oh, -m #maemo-meeting. It interferes with people's abilities to use their IRC clients when they're in there.10:41
lbtI guess RSS is next best - but I live by email <grin>10:41
timelyyes please10:41
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Why would they be in there in the first place ;)10:41
timelyi can't /nick timelyx10:41
X-FadeAh, really? Is it that bad?10:42
timelyX-Fade: so i don't miss the channel taffic10:42
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, so you don't have to remember to join before the next meeting, of course!10:42
GeneralAntilles+m prevents nick changes.10:42
X-FadeArgh, that is lame.10:42
GeneralAntillesNah, it makes sense during a real meeting.10:42
GeneralAntillesPrevents people from /nicking to send messages to the channel.10:43
GeneralAntillesJust don't leave things sitting around +m. :P10:43
X-FadeOk, well it is off now..10:43
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timelyxanyway, i'll try to push an updated garage to today10:45
timelyxw/ luck that dns could go live this week :o10:46
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GeneralAntillesI wonder where the css for that stupid message banner is. . . .10:46
GeneralAntillesIn 2 sentences or less, "What is Extras?"10:47
timelyxadditional packages with less testing but potentially faster updates.10:47
timelyxif it isn't. please let me know.10:48
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: The repository for community sofware?10:48
GeneralAntillesSounds good.10:49
GeneralAntillesThanks, lbt!
johnxExtras is a selection of software for your Nokia Internet Tablet created by other Tablet users. This software often provides many interesting features and  is usually of good quality, but can occasionally be less than perfect10:49
GeneralAntillesWill a .install enable Extras or just create a duplicate entry?10:49
JaffaI've found it sometimes creates a duplicate if the .install specifies something /slightly/ different to the existing one (on chinook, at least)10:50
GeneralAntillesHrm, well, X-Fade, do you have a .install handy that we could link to from that wiki page that would enable it cleanly?10:50
timelyxfile a bug against AM :)10:51
X-Fadetimelyx: There already is. IIRC.10:51
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Not handy at the moment, the .install files for extras don't seem to be generated at the moment. This is something I need to look in to.10:52
X-FadeEhm Diablo extras.10:52
GeneralAntillesdistribution =10:52
X-FadeI'm not sure if that is allowed in .install10:53
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johnxI thought it was...10:54
GeneralAntillesI think so, too.10:54
johnxmight it be "not officially supported" or something?10:55
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hrwguys: is there some kind of holiday in UK today?10:59
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Jaffahrw: nope11:02
RST38hpvanhoof: hey, any news on fixing that modest crash on email fetch?11:02
pvanhoofRST38h, bug# ?11:02
pvanhoofRST38h, but it's better to ask sergio11:03
sergioRST38h that bug is being fixed now11:04
sergioif you update the diablo package from modest web it becomes better11:05
GeneralAntillesShould it be confirmed and assigned, then?11:05
sergiobut the real fix is being developed right now11:05
sergioactually the version used for diablo release crashes a lot11:05
sergiounfortunately :(11:06
sergionewer versions are far much better11:06
GeneralAntillesSSU. :D11:06
sergiothe problem is not easy to fix11:07
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pvanhoofoh that's the NSS problem, sergio ?11:07
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pvanhoofsergio, Since openssl is being shipped, why don't we use that instead?11:08
RST38hsergio: are there .debs or may be an .install file for newer versions?11:08
sergiopvanhoof dape is working on that11:08
sergioproblem is tinymail leaves some threads alive11:08
sergiowhen camel_shutdown is called11:08
pvanhoofMoving to openssl? or fixing the nss problems?11:08
sergioand NSS does not like it at all11:08
* RST38h is fling two more modest bugs11:09
pvanhoofStill feels like nss bugs to me :(11:09
RST38hsergio; Why are you leaving any threads running at all?11:09
pvanhoofRST38h, dape is fixing it, he said11:09
RST38h(and do you really need to use threads just to fetch email?)11:09
sergioRST38h well tinymail does not wait for some threads to close11:09
sergiolike the idle thread in imap11:10
pvanhoofRST38h, camel has a blocking IO design, there's no other way11:10
sergioor a thread used for logins in POP11:10
sergioso we're developing some code to properly close those threads11:10
sergiobefore the shutdown11:10
sergioand regarding newer packages11:11
pvanhoofDidn't dape committed a patch recently in tinymail for that? I remember he did. Perhaps it's not yet in the packages?11:11 had weekly releases11:11
sergioalthough they were for chinook11:11
sergioI don't know if packages for diablo are available11:11
sergiopvanhoof yes there were some patches11:11
sergiobut there is still a problem in POP11:11
sergiothe wait for login thread11:12
sergiocould be alive as well11:12
pvanhoofoh ic11:12
pvanhoofI don't think nss should crash for that11:12
pvanhoofbut anyway :)11:12
sergiodape told me that he's cooking some kind of shutdown code11:12
sergiobut as you know11:12
sergiolocking in camel is quite....messy11:12
RST38hpvanhoof: Why not just wait for IO to complete?11:12
pvanhoofcamel is ... quite messy11:12
sergioRST38h we can not block the UI11:13
pvanhoofRST38h, because users usually want their UI to get updated11:13
sergionever :-)11:13
RST38hsergio,pvanhoof: Yes, but it is the background mail fetch process - it shows NO UI!11:13
sergiothey both use the same code11:13
RST38hBTW, look at #3358 - it is not critical but weird11:13
GeneralAntillesCan you specify more than one distribution in the distribution field? So, taking maemo Extras, rather than having two entries, or changing the default entry to "chinook" can you get away with "chinook diablo"?11:13
RST38hGA: No :(11:14
johnxGeneralAntilles, in an install file? or in app manager?11:14
* RST38h tried it yesterday, no luck11:14
GeneralAntillesApplication manager.11:14
sergioRST38h does it only happen with Modest?11:15
RST38hsergio: Yep11:15
RST38hIt *may* happen with some other apps but I did not find any11:15
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sergioquite weird indeed11:15
sergioanyway we'll take a look11:15
RST38hit may be hildon related rather than Modest though11:15
* GeneralAntilles is testing out having a .install undisable Extras.11:15
sergiothx for the reports11:15
sergiothat's why I asked for other apps11:15
RST38hAlso BT keyboard is suspiciously lagging, even if CPU is not doing anything useful11:16
RST38hIt lags for *all* apps.11:16
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zapeven normal USB keyboard lags in Maemo11:19
zapI don't know the reason, but the lag is noticeable11:19
GeneralAntillesOK, the .install will undisable Extras (Application manager says, "Catalog already installed but disabled. Enable now? maemo Extras")11:19
Naviwhat lag with the USB keyboard?11:19
zapwhen you press a key, it appears in terminal after some time11:20
zapsay 0.2seconds or so11:20
timelyxok, fwiw mxr should go live today. it would have been live already, but for me being a bit sleepy11:20
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NaviI didn't really notice it 'till you pointed it out11:22
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GeneralAntilles^ slow typist11:23
GeneralAntillesSo I need something that looks like this: somewhere on that I can link to from the Extras wiki page.11:23
NaviSorry that I don't match your 100WPM, GeneralAntilles11:23
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: So I need something that looks like this: somewhere on that I can link to from the Extras wiki page.11:23
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Shall I put it in the extras-assistant tree somewhere?11:25
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, up to you. Wherever you think is good.11:25
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GeneralAntillesExcellent, thanks!11:27
X-FadeDo you want one for extras-devel too?11:27
GeneralAntillesI was thinking it might be useful to have a "have to set up Extras-devel yourself" barrier-to-entry for that, but, yeah, we should probably have one for Extras-devel.11:29
X-FadeWe shouldn't promote -devel to regular users, so perhaps we don't need it ;)11:30
* GeneralAntilles files a typo bug against Application manager.11:31
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: PATCH :)11:31
* GeneralAntilles is not ready to dive into that just yet.11:31
GeneralAntillesPart of the reason I didn't want to pick up the Application manager stuff yesterday is that I'd like to see it pushed by somebody who's actually going to submit patches. ;)11:32
X-FadeYeah, I got that.11:32
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X-FadeWell, it is good to have a non programmer manager, but we would also need some coders :)11:33
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's true.11:34
GeneralAntillesBut I'm worried about me pushing something like that and ending with something that nobody actually uses.11:34
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RST38hX-Fade: you are finally changing app manager? =)11:41
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, the idea is to get the community involved in improving Application manager.11:42
GeneralAntillesOpening up a testing repository for community patches, etc.11:43
RST38hSo you have gone beyond that initial design mockup?11:43
GeneralAntillesMe? No.11:43
RST38hplural "you" =)11:44
GeneralAntillesIt's just getting started.11:44
GeneralAntillesRST38h, if you want to help push this community side, the task still needs a coordinator. :D11:44
crashanddieif I want to try and build libc-dev, should I add diablo-extras-devel to take into account worked dependencies ?11:45
crashanddieOr just do *everything* myself ?11:45
RST38hGA: I am not in the position of taking any more work right now11:45
X-FadeRST38h: Nokia likes some of the ideas that GA proposed, but the community would have to implement it as they don't have it on the roadmap at the moment.11:45
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RST38hGA: 8 hours work + 3.5 hours commute + family11:45
RST38hBarely have time to move my own projects ahead11:46
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X-FadeThe idea would be for the community to work on a branch in the application manager svn repository on garage.11:46
RST38hX-Fade: Have you seen the final version of PackRat I have done?11:46
X-FadeWe could even release an application-manager-experimental on extras ;)11:46
X-Fadeor -devel, actually.11:47
X-FadeRST38h: No, I haven't.11:47
RST38hX-Fade: It may be worth doing something similar (but of course less web-oriented) in App manager11:47
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X-FadeRST38h: Well, you know.. We don't even need to have application manager as package selection program ;)11:48
X-FadeYou could do it all on a web page..11:48
crashanddieI don't think having 2 bazillion repos is a good thing actually11:49
X-FadeRST38h: Btw, where can I select distribution?11:49
X-Fadecrashanddie: Me neither ;)11:49
RST38hX-Fade: just select the base OSD11:50
X-FadeRST38h: yeah, but that is not enough ;)11:50
RST38hX-Fade: it pulls lists from Gronmayer which uses OS version11:50
RST38hX-Fade: I know, will probably extend it later11:50
crashanddieit pulls a list on each script call?11:51
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GeneralAntillesHrm, OK, quick poll. If you open up Application manager and go to the Tools menu, you see "Application catalog...". Should catalog be plural or not?11:51
RST38hcrash: Well, it is not something we can change at the moment. In fact, I suspect the repos will just multiply because it became so difficult to commit stuff to extras11:51
GeneralAntillesThe dialog it opens is "Catalogs"11:51
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, plural11:52
GeneralAntillesSo I guess it depends on whether the "catalog" is an individual repository or the sum of all repositories.11:52
RST38hX-Fade: We do need an app manager because web site has no idea of what you have installed11:52
macouteIts a catalog of possible repositories11:52
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I always read it as catalog synonym for repo11:52
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, so did I.11:53
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GeneralAntillesBut filling this bug, I just thought about it like they probably intended it.11:53
RST38hGA: catalogS11:53
GeneralAntillesHonestly, it'd probably be better off as "repositories" since that's how it's referred to pretty much everywhere in the community.11:53
RST38hIf it were a repo catalog, it would say Repository Catalog11:53
zapthe biggest thing I miss in app manager is the ability to check a lot of apps and install them all at once11:53
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure what term the official docs use, though.11:53
RST38hJust keep it Catalogs11:54
crashanddiezap, agreed11:54
RST38hJoe User has no idea what repo is11:54
crashanddiezap, but that's where apt-get comes in handy (for the moment)11:54
GeneralAntillesSame really goes for "catalog", though.11:54
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macoutebut there is only one of those catalogs11:55
macouteespecially for Joe User11:55
hrwzap: o yes11:55
zapcrashanddie: I don't want apt-get, I want point-and-click :)11:55
macouteso it cant be plural imo11:56
GeneralAntillesEither the menu entry needs to be changed, or the repository dialog needs to be changed to be consistent with itself.11:56
GeneralAntillesmacoute, what does the dialog that comes up when you tap "Application catalog..." say?11:56
zapand the list of app groups is bogus, and apps with similar basename should be grouped11:56
GeneralAntilleszap, packaging issue.11:57
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GeneralAntillesBoingo and Canola both need to be slapped.11:57
macouteGeneralAntilles: Catalogs, but that is quite right11:58
GeneralAntillesmacoute, it can't be both.11:59
macouteas it is a catalog, which contains catalogs11:59
RST38hGA: Well if they don't know what catalog is, I do not care11:59
zapperhaps it's packaging issue, but I'd rather prefer to group packages by repo11:59
GeneralAntillesEither the catalog is the sum off all repositories or it's an individual repository.11:59
macoutebut the actual catalog is only one catalog, which contain all the apps11:59
RST38hAnd it is CATALOGUE! (evil cackling)11:59
GeneralAntillesmacoute, that is ridiculously confusing.11:59
macoutebut actually, i think the reason is that it has been translated from finnish11:59
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macoutein finnish it is 'sovellusluettelo' -> 'Luettelot', which is literally the same than in english but is maybe even more 'right' said12:00
zapor alternatively, App manager should have a hard-coded list of app groups, and not show packages which use wrong app groups; this will force devs to fix their packages12:01
GeneralAntilleszap, check the -developers discussions on this12:01
crashanddiezap, hard coded would be wrong12:01
GeneralAntillesI can understand Canola's motivations for putting all their stuff in one category12:01
crashanddiezap, but yeah, people need to stop adding libs to mainstream categories12:01
GeneralAntillesbut all it really manages to due is further invalidate the whole category system.12:01
GeneralAntilleslibraries don't go in User/12:02
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GeneralAntillesEither a userspace application depends on them, or you're a dev and can figure out how to install it from apt-get.12:02
GeneralAntillesAnything else is somebody's bad packaging.12:02
crashanddiethough, I also understand that it's frustrating that when you port a lib, AppManager will refuse to install it, because it's not in User/12:02
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crashanddiebut that doesn't mean it should end up there12:02
GeneralAntillesIt will install it just fine as a dependency.12:03
crashanddiethough you'll probably won't even notice :P12:03
crashanddieThat's why sometimes app manager is confusing... You see two apps, requiring both 5M of disk space... Install the first, the second only uses 0.2M worth of space12:03
lcuk~lart daytimelifeingeneral12:04
* infobot takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in daytimelifeingeneral's direction, hitting daytimelifeingeneral and sending daytimelifeingeneral flying into the closet12:04
* lcuk feels better now12:04
crashanddienow that I'm done with studying12:04
crashanddieI need to get my CV done, and start spamming recruiters12:04
lcuk2008-~: faffed about in irc12:05
lcukcrashanddie, :) you have a degree, you have experience and examples available.   you are free to roam where you need to :) best of luck12:06
crashanddie1994 - current, IRC is my life12:07
crashanddielcuk, if I didn't know better, I'd almost say "likewise lcuk"12:08
lcukand i'd almost agree with you12:09
lcukanyway, i only bobbed in to moan about my day so far, back later12:09
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anders_crashanddie: What kind of job are you looking for?12:10
crashanddieanders_, development12:10
crashanddieanders_, in a perfect world, I'd say in the mobile computing industry12:11
hrw2/wii crashanddie12:11
crashanddieanders_, but as long as it's challenging, cutting edge, and in the UK, I'll take it12:11
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anders_crashanddie: Too bad it has to be in the UK.12:12
hrwcrashanddie: which kind of job?12:12
crashanddieanders_, well, I'm in France, and planned to move to the UK12:13
crashanddieanders_, so the UK would be awesome12:13
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gomiamerm.... does anybody have an idea about why Diablo would sometimes fail at network detection on my N800?12:16
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GeneralAntillesAnybody want to write up a little more about Extras?
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RST38hGA: Editing12:28
X-Fadebtw, how can I see who registered this channel? ;)12:29
X-FadeOr at least who can get ops :)12:29
towo/msg chanserv access #maemo list12:30
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towo(Why am I not surprised to find c0ffee on there.)12:31
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X-FadeA florian is in that list too, right?12:31
infobotX-Fade meant: Ah, florian is in that list too, right?12:32
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X-Fade~seen florian12:34
infobotflorian <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 52m 52s ago, saying: 'right, try to flash a new image first'.12:34
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I've got a staffer you can talk to if you want.12:35
X-FadeI see a lot of names in there that don't come here anymore..12:35
X-FadeSo perhaps it is good to add some more current accounts..12:35
GeneralAntillesDo you have access?12:36
GeneralAntillesI nominate you for founder access if you can get it. ;)12:36
GeneralAntilleshand out another dozen or so op-access?12:36
GeneralAntillesI mean, not that the channel actually needs ops.12:37
GeneralAntillesBut it'd be nice to kick the spammers we seem to get every few weeks or so.12:37
hrw*!n=tk@* entry in #maemo access is big hole...12:37
hrwanyone with net from that ISP can get op here...12:38
X-FadeThere is no name registered there.12:38
hrwwe had such situation on #openzaurus12:39
crashanddieyou need to be authed, and have tk as identd :P12:39
X-FadeWell that is not hard..12:39
crashanddie~seen me12:40
infobotme <n=me@> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 4d 16h 29m 31s ago, saying: 'whatsup?'.12:40
RST38hGA: I edited it a little bit. Also, I think we should remove Quim Gil quote from there12:41
GeneralAntillesRST38h, with you there.12:41
crashanddieQG quote ?12:42
GeneralAntillesRST38h, remember to login. :P12:42
RST38hGA: BTW, Chinook Extras .install link is a dummy right now12:43
RST38hIf there is a real one, put its URL there (I do not know the URL)12:44
GeneralAntillesI think the Chinook Extras issue is covered well enough at the end of the link.12:44
GeneralAntillesNo need to dupe it onto the Extras page.12:44
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RST38hI just think that 90% of people will never follow the link and will go and complain onITT instead12:45
crashanddieprobably true, yeah12:45
RST38hI will make a little change to the page though12:46
GeneralAntillesHow about: "Note that there is currently (July 08) a minor problem with Diablo Extras. Fortunately, most Chinook application packages will run without a glitch on Diablo, so you should use Chinook Extras until proper Diablo Extras repository comes online. ''See the Diablo Extras section of [[Upgrading tablet OS#Diabo_Extras|upgrading tablet OS]] for instructions.''" ?12:48
RST38hYep, this should also do the job12:48
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GeneralAntillesOK, updated: and revised:
GeneralAntillesThanks, RST38h!12:57
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, you want that staffer?12:59
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sure.12:59
melmothhi there X-Fade13:00
melmothlooks like the beahviour is the same on chinook builder:13:00
* GeneralAntilles slaps milhouse with a trout.13:02
GeneralAntillesSign your comments. :P13:02
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hrw.. gomiam13:17
gomiamI was checking my local alias wrapper worked correctly13:17
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*** dneary changes topic to "Diablo Released | | | | | | | | | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st: "USB networking""13:19
*** dneary changes topic to "Diablo Released | | | | | | | | | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st:"13:19
GeneralAntillesdneary, like the turnaround on Root access? ;)13:19
dnearyGeneralAntilles: Ineded :)13:19
dnearyThank you!13:19
dnearyI spotted that you did (almost) all the work on that one13:20
GeneralAntillesMostly asking if I should delete parts in here, getting positive replies and deleting them. :D13:20
macoutehow about adding some more lines to topic so that we could even have more text in topic which we cant see easily?13:21
GeneralAntillesmacoute, /topic13:21
macouteGeneralAntilles: i know that one, but is it handy? :P13:21
dnearyI agree with macoute13:22
dnearyWe need to clean out the topic13:22
dnearyOK - let's clean out Quim's LinuxTag update13:22
macoutemy irssi on fullscreen stops topic in maemo-irclog-link13:22
GeneralAntillesYou can probably dump the link.13:22
GeneralAntillesHopefully the dns for timeless's like will be in place soon, so that will be getting smaller.13:23
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I filled in the form to become a channel contact, let's see if that helps.13:24
GeneralAntillesHey, can we talk anybody into forking becomeroot or something and taking responsibility for packaging it and uploading it to Extras?13:24
GeneralAntillesAs the becomeroot developer seems to be disappeared and ag2 of doesn't seem to want to upload to Extras.13:24
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dnearyIs there a bot we can teach factoids to?13:25
GeneralAntillesinfobot, hi13:25
infobothello, generalantilles13:25
towoWell now. My N810 has beet sitting at Nokia for almost a month now..13:25
dnearyThe IRC logs, FAQ and package repository lists could go there13:25
GeneralAntilles~dneary is the docmaster13:25
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay13:25
towoNot really convincing.13:25
infoboti guess dneary is the docmaster13:25
GeneralAntilles_monkey was a better factoid bot13:26
GeneralAntillesbut he's dead. :(13:26
GeneralAntillesinfobot collides with a lot of other channels.13:26
dneary~logs is IRC channels are logged at
infobot...but logs is already something else...13:26
GeneralAntillesSo you get stuff like13:26
GeneralAntilleser, yeah13:26
GeneralAntilleslike that13:26
infobotrumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at<channelname>.html.gz13:26
GeneralAntillesand ~Root13:26
infobotroot is, like, not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.13:26
hrwguys - *remember* that infobot is not only #maemo13:27
GeneralAntillesWe could really use a real maemo bot.13:27
dnearyhrw: I didn't know infobot before 2 minutes ago - how could I remember? ;)13:27
infobothrw, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (
hrw~emulate hrw13:28
* infobot I cannot be emulated13:28
dneary~maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at
infobotokay, dneary13:28
dnearyThanks infobot13:28
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GeneralAntillesI want a bugzilla bot for #maemo-bugs13:28
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GeneralAntillesActually, I'm in favor of removing gronmayer.13:29
Nakedw0t! diablo released?13:29
hrwGeneralAntilles: talk with CoreDump - his cdbot handle OpenEmbedded bugzilla and did Openmoko bugzilla13:29
GeneralAntillesA good, actively maintained supybot install would solve our bot issues pretty well.13:31
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X-Fadedneary: Can you please stop crossposting between multiple lists?13:32
dnearyIt seemed appropriate for the wiki page of the day to go to both user & developer lists...13:32
X-Fadedneary: If you must post to 2 lists, please to that in 2 separate mails.13:32
dnearyReally? But then replies will only go to one of the lists13:32
X-FadeYes. that is the point.13:33
X-FadeCrossposting is evil.;13:33
hrwand some replies will get lost then13:33
dnearyIn general, of course, I agree with you, but I'm working on the assumption that lots of people on -developers are not on -users13:33
dnearyI think we're likely in the majority, us two13:33
hrwI avoid any -users list13:33
towoGenerally quite correct, since -users expands to "oh my I can't read the faq"13:33
GeneralAntillesor "I have all these stupid assumptions about how stuff works and how I think things should work, let me rant about it for 3 pages"13:34
towo(This is invariant of the actual project involved.)13:34
GeneralAntilles(assumptions that usually have very little to do with reality)13:34
lardmanGeneralAntilles: Leave the poor users alone, without them what would we all have to complain about? ;)13:35
GeneralAntillesNokia. *g*13:35
lardmanyeah, good point :)13:36
towoWhich we generally do quite loudly.13:36
dnearyhehehe - wild mice:
lardman~lart WinXP for copy&paste not working any more13:36
* infobot gives WinXP a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for copy&paste not working any more13:36
lardmaninspired choice of insult infobot :)13:36
dnearyIndeed :)13:37
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GeneralAntillesWho wants to object to my politically-motivated move to remove gronmayer from the topic?13:40
GeneralAntilles~gronmayer is a Maemo repository indexer located at
infobot...but gronmayer is already something else...13:41
infobotit has been said that gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories
GeneralAntilles~no gronmayer is a Maemo repository indexer located at
infobotokay, GeneralAntilles13:42
aquatixGeneralAntilles: pilotically motivated why?13:42
GeneralAntillesBecause non-Extras repositories mostly need to die. ;)13:42
aquatixah :)13:42
GeneralAntillesand gronmayer helps keep them in business.13:42
aquatixfair enough13:43
* aquatix doesn't object13:43
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*** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Diablo Released! | | Maemo Summit: | Create the new logo: | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day: July 1st:"13:46
GeneralAntillesSo be it.13:46
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hrwit can be even improved13:46
hrwcreate page and list in topic13:47
GeneralAntillesThere WAS a category there.13:48
lardmanGeneralAntilles: Are there plans to change the wiki link on the main page to point to the new wiki directly?13:49
GeneralAntilleslardman, it was discussed yesterday, I believe.13:50
GeneralAntillesIn dneary's hands, I think.13:50
lardmanGeneralAntilles: ok, I'll have a look at the log13:50
lardmanGeneralAntilles: Also, is there a HowTo about importing from the old to the new? I need to import the DSP Programming page13:50
GeneralAntillesMove it, change the syntax to mediawiki13:51
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lardmanhmm, no copy & paste13:51
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lardmanlet me restart13:51
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lardmanthat's better13:52
lardmanGeneralAntilles: Regarding the syntax, you pointed me at a wikipedia page last time, is this still where to look?13:53
GeneralAntillesThe wikipedia cheatsheet.13:53
lardmancool, thanks13:54
GeneralAntillesJust keep hitting preview until it looks right. ;)13:54
lardmanGeneralAntilles: hmm, I'd prefer to write once and forget :)13:55
X-FadeDid anybody try the new fennec milestone?
GeneralAntillesThere's a thread on itT13:57
GeneralAntillesIt seems to be mostly unusable.13:58
JaffaITT? ;-)13:58
melmothX-Fade: hola.13:58
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X-Fademelmoth: Hi..13:58
melmothX-Fade: remember the sword issue on autobuilder ? The problem also occurs on the chinook extra-devel autobuilder.13:58
X-Fademelmoth: Hmm ok let me check.13:59
GeneralAntillesJaffa, they seem to have gotten it installed at least. :D13:59
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X-FadeJaffa: You might want to check dpkg-genbuilddeps14:07
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GeneralAntillesOoh, X-Fade, cloaks? :D14:08
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JaffaX-Fade: ta14:19
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lardmanSlightly OT, but what does it mean when I see "Servicing ident request from" (replace xxx with some IP address) at the bottom of my screen?14:41
aquatixthat ip requested your ident14:43
aquatixgenerally, irc networks do so14:43
lardmanaquatix: ah, so it would be another client, or could it be from outside?14:43
lardmanaquatix: Cool, as it comes from my uni network, I was wondering what was going on14:44
aquatixah, might be someone running ident requests to all ip's he/she can find14:44
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``Cubehello, I'd like to participate in the logo contest but have a question14:46
``CubeI know I should ask to ask, but is anyone active here?14:46
lardman``Cube: ask away14:47
``Cubelardman: I'm 15 ;) when I win, will I be able to receive the price?14:48
lardman``Cube: Was it a) alcoholic b) involving strip clubs?14:48
lardmanIf neither of the above, then I guess so :)14:48
aquatixit isn't?14:48
``Cubehahaha :D that logo?14:48
``Cubeuhh, mdk is offline14:49
lardman``Cube: Probably best to ask in the therad on ITT unless someone like X-Fade knows?14:49
GeneralAntillesIt was answered on the talk page a while ago.14:49
``Cubereally? may I have the link, GeneralAntilles?14:50
GeneralAntillesI can't find it14:51
GeneralAntillesdneary or somebody deleted it for some reason, I think.14:51
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GeneralAntillesThe issue is not Nokia-side, anyway.14:51
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GeneralAntillesThere are no problems from them awarding it to an underaged participant.14:52
X-Fade``Cube: You can enter, but the flight might be a problem.14:52
X-Fade``Cube: As you are probably not allowed to fly by yourself.14:52
GeneralAntillesIt's somewhere in the history there.14:52
* lardman forgot about the flight part14:52
``Cubeyea, searching the whole site now :)14:53
GeneralAntillesYou wont find it in the search14:53
``Cubeyou people mean this?14:53
GeneralAntillesGotta hit the page history for that talk page.14:53
``Cubenot searching14:53
``Cubesearching with my eyes14:53
``Cube"No age restrictions apply to submission, but some prizes may not be feasible for underage contestants. "14:53
``CubeI knew that, but I wanted more information14:53
``Cube"not feasible"14:54
GeneralAntillesThe issue would be with the airlines.14:54
GeneralAntillesand maybe your parents.14:54
lardmanAirlines always used to take underage passengers14:54
``Cubealright, but not with the tablet?14:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, it shouldn't be a problem, lardman.14:54
GeneralAntillesBut no telling these days.14:54
GeneralAntilles``Cube, there are no age-issues Nokia-side.14:54
``Cubeeh, there is one submission making the whole effort useless, it's just perfect in any csae14:55
lardmanWhere are these submissions displayed?14:56
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``Cubethat's plain stupid, sorry for offending someone14:57
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lardman``Cube: see the comment by qgil14:59
lardmanGeneralAntilles: I was meaning the submitted ones, but I guess they won't be shown in case someone copies them, etc14:59
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``Cubelardman|lunch: umm, which?15:00
GeneralAntilleslardman|lunch, huh?15:01
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``Cubehe confused us and espaced15:01
* lcuk_wrk calls an airstrike to gps coords [me] + 3 metres to the right15:01
lardman|lunchAm still here just about15:01
lcuk_wrkhi lardman15:01
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lardman|lunchGeneralAntilles: I wanted to see the sumbitted entries15:01
lardman|lunchhi lcuk_wrk15:01
GeneralAntilleslardman|lunch, my clipboard was being slow.15:02
lardman|lunchGeneralAntilles: I have no intention of sumbitting one, so it was an innocent mistake15:02
GeneralAntillesTried to paste that, but was too fast for my own good. ;)15:02
lardman|lunchoh, they are available, cool15:02
* lcuk_wrk wonders if military lasers can be hacked and controlled15:03
lardman|lunch``Cube: There's a comment from qgil at the top of the section that that link brings you to15:03
``Cubeah, alright15:04
Andy80hi all15:04
lardman|lunchReally off to lunch now, bbl15:04
GeneralAntillesAnother rainy day.15:04
aquatixlcuk_wrk: your right or mine?15:05
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``Cubeye see you!15:05
lcuk_wrkaquatix, i can upload a photo from my 810 to clarify location of annoying cow orker15:05
aquatixlcuk_wrk: sure15:06
* aquatix loves that default typo btw15:06
lcuk_wrkoh sorry, my mistake, i meant annoying wanker15:06
GeneralAntillesDamnable cow orkers15:06
* lcuk_wrk facepalms15:07
lcuk_wrkbeam me up, scotty15:08
* aquatix beams railgun down15:08
lcuk_wrk:D bonus15:08
aquatixwill that do?15:08
lcuk_wrkalready sorted :) i think it will be a peaceful afternoon15:09
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* aquatix is getting cooked15:09
aquatixoffices should have mandatory airco15:09
pekujamandatory powerful AC15:09
lcuk_wrkagreed totally aquatix15:09
aquatixi think it's at least 22 or 23C15:09
aquatixnot *that* warm, but sleep-inducing warm15:10
aquatixno, i think it's even warmer than that15:10
pekujawe have AC here but it can't quite handle the 6 or so computers we have here in this small office (two-person office)15:10
aquatixdoesn't the n810 have an ambient temp sensor or something? ;)15:10
GeneralAntillesThey do over here. ;)15:10
pekuja(the room, that is, not the whole office space)15:10
X-Fadeaquatix: Yes, in the lcd.15:10
aquatixX-Fade: no kidding15:11
* aquatix looks in /sys15:11
X-FadeNo. not kidding.15:11
aquatixor wherever15:11
X-FadeAnd probably in the battery too.15:11 has a temperature program15:12
GeneralAntillesKhertan put up a home applet.15:12
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lcuk_wrkaquatix, push for your boss to let you work from the park down the road.  get wireless connection15:12
aquatixi *think* my navy boss won't like that15:13
lcuk_wrk:D waterproof laptop15:14
lcuk_wrkget an asus blub blub blub15:14
aquatixmore like `what about the secure intranet?'15:16
aquatixwifi isn't compatible with that concept ;)15:17
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lcuk_wrkaquatix, get them to build you a secure park with hardwired on the roof15:19
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lbtaquatix: vpn over wifi15:20
|tbb|hi all,15:20
aquatixlcuk_wrk: hm :)15:21
|tbb|is there a module available to use nat on n81015:21
aquatixbut i somehow guess that's even warmer in the sun15:21
lcuk_wrklbt, secure data should not be transmitted over wireless links if i understand correctly15:21
lbtlcuk_wrk: it's ok if it's in a secure tunnel15:21
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aquatixa Really Secure VPN(tm) might suffice15:21
aquatixnot sure :)15:22
lcuk_wrknot really, eaves droppers could capture packets and work offline15:22
lbtdoesn't matter15:22
lcuk_wrkit might take 1000 years to decrypt, but thats still less than having a totally secure wired lan15:22
lbtsame goes for any VPN/tunnel over the internet15:22
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aquatixlbt: indeed15:22
lbtjust how hard is it to get into your building and tap the LAN?15:23
aquatixexcept that our intranet is seperate from the internet of course15:23
lbtcould I do it in <1000yrs?15:23
lcuk_wrkits military15:23
lbtcould I do it in <1000yrs?15:23
aquatixlbt: if you have a smart card and look innocent :)15:23
* aquatix should shut up15:23
aquatixthen again, you will have to have rights and log in15:23
lbtso kidnap someone's family, then what?15:24
lcuk_wrkanyway aquatix :) you already said navy, theres no parks in the centre of the atlantic15:24
aquatixlcuk_wrk: thankfully i don't work there ;)15:24
lcuk_wrkentire convo is moot15:24
lbtbut diving cools you down15:24
* aquatix is just a lousy government worker15:24
lcuk_wrkwith access to railguns15:24
aquatixin an office at the harbour15:24
aquatixlcuk_wrk: ha, i wish15:24
lcuk_wrk:D water pistols?15:25
lcuk_wrk:S nerf guns?15:25
aquatixsomething like that :)15:25
aquatixand the software of the ships15:25
lcuk_wrk:( wet paper towels15:25
lcuk_wrkwhy does this remind me of slashdot
aquatixwe thought about getting nerf guns just a few days ago15:26
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lcuk_wrkyou should search for the great office war15:26
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aquatixlcuk_wrk: what do you think induced that idea? ;)15:27
aquatixabout us getting nerf guns ;)15:28
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* lcuk_wrk gets back to (peaceful) work15:31
lcuk_wrkback later15:32
aquatixhey, doing peaceful work too!15:32
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aquatixpeacefully irc'ing and researching some stuff15:32
|tbb|where are the logfiles of this channel stored?15:33
infobothmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at<channelname>.html.gz15:34
inzgoogle://maemo irc log15:34
infobotsomebody said maemo-logs was IRC channels are logged at
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: do u know if there is a module available to use nat on n8x015:34
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mgedminthe /topic used to have a link to the irc logs15:35
mgedminI always found that convenient15:35
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, it was removed to save space.15:35
GeneralAntillesOh, and mgedmin, belated and much-deserved thanks for those. :)15:35
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Jaffamgedmin: extras-devel should now have netcat in it, btw15:38
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mgedminwhy did I want it? oh, to connect to localhost:gpsd15:39
aquatixhm, i should get nmap on my n81015:39
* mgedmin built a binary deb of xchat for diablo from skyhusker's svn repository, but is having some troubles producing a source package15:39
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, you planning on picking up XChat moving forward?15:40
mgedminI asked for permission to upload it to extras, yes15:40
X-Fademgedmin: Did you just try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S15:40
X-FadeAnd it fails?15:41
mgedminsome quilt metadata (?) interferes with dpkg-buildsource15:42
mgedminI know the workaround (rm -rf .pc), just haven't tried it yet15:42
mgedminrm -rf .svn would also be advised, I guess15:42
Jaffamgedmin: try dpkg-buildpackage ... -i (ignores lots of stuff incl. .svn)15:45
mgedminnope, tar: xchat-maemo/.pc/debian.patch/debian/xchat-locale-cs.install: Cannot open: Permission denied15:46
mgedminthat's the quilt metadata, I think15:46
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|tbb|johnx: are you around?15:46
johnx|tbb|, yup15:46
|tbb|long time ;)15:46
johnxyeah, I've been out in the real world a lot this last week15:47
johnxwhat's up?15:47
|tbb|ive seen you have talked about iptables with nat support15:47
mgedminJaffa: -I.pc helped15:47
|tbb|do you had compiled it?15:47
johnx|tbb|, nope, but I'm sure I saw the modules somewhere15:47
johnxI've never used it though15:47
johnx|tbb|, do you have scratchbox?15:48
|tbb|nope ;(15:48
johnxnows the time :)15:48
mgedminheh, google lucky search for "autobuilder" doesn't give me the maemo one for some reason15:48
mgedminbesides, I probably want extras-assistant15:49
|tbb|im looking for it but i havent found it. but what makes me a little bit confuse is, if i look into the application manager ive seen under installed packages iptables (info says administration tools for packet filtering and NAT?)15:50
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johnx|tbb|, that's probably the userspace config tool15:50
|tbb|but iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -p end in errors15:50
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JaffaX-Fade: ta for the dpkg-genbuilddeps pointer, just testing with mud using dpkg-depcheck to auto-calculate Build-Depends15:52
mgedmintbb, what errors?15:52
mgedminperhaps you're missing kernel modules15:52
X-FadeJaffa: That would really help a lot of users. I think that is one of the mayor reasons for build failure atm.15:53
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mgedminhm, the .svn files are still there in my tarball15:54
Jaffamgedmin: maybe you need -i and -i.pc?15:55
GeneralAntillesNobody minds terrible much if I move this to Uploading to Extras, do they?
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mgedminwhat's the diff between -i and -I?15:55
Jaffamgedmin: sorry, -I15:55
JaffaGeneralAntilles: feel free. Mea culpa.15:56
GeneralAntillesJust, for reference, I'm unilaterally deciding that Extras should be capitalized on the wiki. :D15:56
JaffaSounds good to me :)15:56
mgedminah, -i is for the diff, -I is for the tarball15:56
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|tbb|mgedmin: iptables v1.3.6: cant initalize iptables 'nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)15:59
|tbb|johnx  what do u mean?16:00
mgedminhm... is there modprobe on the tablet?16:00
mgedminiirc no16:00
johnx|tbb|, I mean you still need the modules16:00
|tbb|modprobe is there16:00
mgedminwhat about modinfo?16:01
GeneralAntillesJaffa, added the page to here:
mgedmincan 'modinfo iptable-nat' find that module?16:01
|tbb|modinfo not on the tablet available16:01
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* |tbb| still confused why the installed package said (supports NAT)16:03
johnx|tbb|, iptables is *two* things. a config tool /sbin/iptables and some kernel modules including iptables.ko16:04
johnxyou are missing some or all of the kernel modules16:04
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|tbb|johnx do u have an diabolo enviroment16:05
johnx|tbb|, I have diablo, but not scratchbox16:06
mgedminthere are also iptables plugins in /lib/iptables16:06
mgedminbut these usually come in the same package as /sbin/iptables16:06
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johnxactually, I can run scratchbox in a couple minutes after I reboot into a kernel with vdso_compat16:07
johnxback in a minute16:07
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JaffaGah, #3354 is *killing* me16:08
mgedminhm, if the Maemo port of X-Chat was made by Alberto Garcia Hierro, but I'm the person who last tweaked the build-deps and uploaded it ot extras, what should I put in the Maintainer field in debian/control?16:08
aquatix`Taking over package, mwuhahaha!'?16:09
* aquatix runs16:09
Jaffamgedmin: if you're not actively maintaining the package itself, you're supposed to put yourself in "Uploaders" rather than "Maintainers" (well, in Debian and Ubuntu, at least)16:09
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mgedminJaffa: one way to find out build-deps you can 'grep PKG_CHECK_MODULES'16:13
mgedminand then look for similar package names16:14
mgedmine.g. dbus-glib-1 becomes libdbus-glib-1-dev16:14
Jaffamgedmin: dpkg-depcheck seems even better - just used it to pick up the missing libncurses5-dev Build-Depends from vim. mud r234 now contains the code to auto-determine them if you've not set them explicitly.16:15
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JaffaOf course, I can't upload my updated vim package as ssh on is denying connections at the moment.16:15
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* mgedmin just successfully used
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JaffaAh, yeah. Could do that for now. Don't like using web-based tools when I want to do "mud upload vim"16:16
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mgedminhow do you use dpkg-depcheck?16:18
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* mgedmin guesses dpkg-depcheck -a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B16:18
Jaffadpkg-depcheck -b dpkg-buildpackage -rfa... yeah, pretty much16:19
hrwhow much time pass since upload to build?16:20
hrwI am thinking about uploading Pimlico apps to Extras so OpenedHand repo will be less needed16:21
mgedminJaffa: that doesn't  work in scratchbox for me...16:21
mgedminCan't locate Devscripts/ in @INC16:21
Jaffamgedmin: hmm, odd - works for me.16:22
mgedminah, the error ends in at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg-depcheck line 27.16:22
mgedminmaybe I should apt-get install devscripts16:22
* mgedmin wishes the autobuilder had a buildbot-like status display16:23
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mgedminshowing a countdown until the start of a build, showing the currently running build (and wildly inaccurate ETA), letting me read the log while a task is being built16:23
johnxheh...disabling vdso is not working so well for me16:23
hrwmgedmin: waterfall?16:24
Jaffamgedmin: yes, absolutely++16:25
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hrw~curse for sick ordering16:28
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, for sick ordering !16:28
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GeneralAntilleshrw, you'd think that'd be an easyfix. . . .16:29
hrwGeneralAntilles: no16:29
GeneralAntillesJust Apache configuration, right?16:29
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hrwGeneralAntilles: yes16:31
hrwI am reporting bug16:31
johnxwoo! finally back in scratchbox for the first time in months16:31
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GeneralAntilleshrw, search first, I think it was reported a while ago.16:31
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mgedmindpkg-depcheck doesn't collapse transitive dependencies...16:34
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Jaffamgedmin: I thought it was supposed to, reading the docs. Damn.16:35
mgedminI'm pretty sure I don't need to explicitly build-depend on x11proto-render-dev16:36
Jaffamgedmin: what if -m is used (--min-deps)16:36
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X-Fadehrw: Invitation is in the mail.16:41
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hrwX-Fade: thx16:42
hrwX-Fade: deps are not tracked yet, so first upload deps, then final packages?16:42
X-Fadehrw: Yes, otherwise it will fail.16:42
X-Fadeextras-devel syncs every 10 minutes, so within 10 minutes after a build the dependency is available.16:43
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hrwX-Fade: where on web I can see extras-devel contents?16:45
mgedminJaffa: -m is much better16:45
X-Fadejust add -devel to the extras url ;)16:45
mgedminonly four packages needed16:45
mgedminnot sure I trust that16:46
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mgedminunless maybe libhildonfm2-dev or libosso-dev pulls in libhildon1-dev16:46
X-Fademgedmin: I wouldn't count on that.16:47
mgedminit does, but yes, I don't want to count on it16:47
X-Fadewell, not as build-depends at least.16:48
mgedminis there a wiki page about preparing source packages for the autobuilder?16:48
mgedminit should mention dpkg-depcheck16:48
mgedminand the -I option for dpkg-buildpackage16:48
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mgedminxchat build success!16:49
mgedminvim build success!16:49
JaffaWoohoo, vim built :-)16:50
X-Fademgedmin: You might want to help add that to
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* mgedmin updates Uploading_to_Extras16:55
aquatixooh, vim16:55
JaffaNot showing up in my Application Manager yet.16:56
* Jaffa wonders how long the delay is between autobuilder finishing, and extras-devel updating.16:57
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* mgedmin resubmits the xchat package for chinook17:00
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andre__garrrr.... so where can i grab the libconic-0.16 code?17:03
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GeneralAntillesAh, fun, PDFs.17:03
X-Fadeandre__: My guess is, you can't.17:03
GeneralAntillesEverything from Adobe seems to break my webbrowser these days.17:03
hrwandre__: from pool/diablo/free/libc/libconic/17:03
andre__but i can get 0.13?!17:03
hrwX-Fade: it is open17:03
hrwandre__: 0.13 ws in chinook17:04
X-FadeWell my FF3 crashes about 10 times a day :(17:04
hrwandre__: 0.16 in diablo17:04
GeneralAntillesFlash and the Acrobat PDF plugin that I can't be arsed to uninstall.17:04
andre__X-Fade, same here. flash issues? ;-)17:04
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X-FadeNo, mostly when switching tabs or pushing the stop button.17:04
andre__hrw: argh, thanks. that one was easy, sigh :)17:05
X-FadeI only have 40 tabs orso..17:05
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GeneralAntillesThankfully my browser isn't broken.17:05
GeneralAntillesJust Adobe's garbage. :<17:05
andre__X-Fade, file some nice bug reports against your distro :) two months ago the FF guys told me that they are definitely interested in crasher reports from linux17:06
* X-Fade sees xchat and vim in extras-devel ;)17:06
* aquatix already submitted some through the Fx crash feedback thingee17:06
* mgedmin has to use perl /usr/bin/dpkg-depcheck in his chinook target to avoid scratchbox magic from invoking the nonfunctional debian-sarge-devkit version17:07
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mgedminand debhelper too!17:07
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mgedminFailed to fetch  Could not connect to proxy.dmz:3128 ( - connect (111 Connection refused)17:08
mgedmin~lart autobuilder17:08
* infobot rm -rf's autobuilder17:08
X-Fademgedmin: Yeah, lart isp..17:08
GeneralAntillesUrg . . . XChat locale spam.17:08
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JaffaX-Fade: excuses excuses!17:08
mgedminoops, did I just spam the app manager list?17:09
JaffaYay! vim. Complete with icon!17:09
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mgedminthe autobuilder needs a "retry, this wasn't *my* fault" button plz17:09
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aquatixJaffa: does it start in a window or something?17:10
X-Fademgedmin: Nah, it just shouldn't have problems like that.17:10
Jaffaaquatix: no, it's the console version atm17:10
hrwJaffa: with gvim too?17:10
Jaffahrw: nope (not yet)17:10
aquatixJaffa: so, the menu item opens vim in a terminal?17:10
aquatixnot that i care, as long as i have vim :)17:10
Jaffaaquatix: there is no menu item. The icon is in the app manager.17:11
JaffaA terminal-opening shortcut would be very cool, tho'17:11
aquatixoh duh17:11
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, can a case be made for merging all the non-en XChat locale packages, or moving them out of User/ or something, anything? :(17:12
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mgedminGeneralAntilles: yes17:12
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mgedminI want to report a bug about
mgedminit says to put fqdn = garage into /etc/dput.cf17:13
X-Fademgedmin: Shoot.17:13
mgedminwhich, of course, cannot be then resolved from here17:13
mgedminI'd also suggest ~/ instead of /etc/dput.cf17:14
Jaffamgedmin: I noticed that. The email as part of the extras invite tells you to add a .ssh/config entry containing username and hostname of '' for 'garage'17:14
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JaffaBut there's no need to do that, so I agree with both your points, FWIW17:14
mgedmincould this document please also mention the .ssh/config ?17:14
mgedminUploading to chinook-extras-builder (via scp to
mgedminPermission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).17:14
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JaffaNah, scap the .ssh/config - just put it all in ~/.dput.cf17:14
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Jaffamgedmin: see bug #3354 -
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X-Fademgedmin: I have added your suggestions to the extras-cauldron svn repository.17:17
X-FadeEverybody is welcome to join the project btw..17:17
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GeneralAntillesAhh, Update All is heartwarming17:18
GeneralAntillesAnybody remember offhand what version of bugzilla bmo is running?17:19
mgedmintoo much stuff to take in at one time...17:20
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X-Fademgedmin: Re-submitting the package will probably succeed.17:25
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johnxhey Capn_Fish :D17:35
Capn_FishSorry, I had to go get a mouse. My trackpad died17:36
Capn_FishI don't think so17:36
Capn_FishIt has a tendancy to stop working occasionally17:36
johnxanyways, did the keyboard on your n810 work in debian beta3?17:36
Capn_FishYup. worked like a charm17:37
Capn_FishBut now I can control the backlight on it :)17:37
johnxwhat did you remap with your xmodmap?17:37
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Capn_FishI didn't remap much17:37
Capn_FishI just added in the fn keys17:37
johnxbacklight control? is that something you added or Stskeeps?17:37
Capn_FishIt's not added yet, I just echoed to /sys|/proc :D17:38
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johnxah, right17:38
Capn_FishOh, I DID remap the menu key to be tab17:38
Capn_Fishand apostrophe to be /17:38
Capn_FishNothing major17:38
Capn_FishThe funny thing is, X is getting NO input from it, not even gibberish17:38
Capn_FishI've been meaning to cat /dev/input/event0, but haven't yet17:39
johnxthis is in Stskeeps' latest debian-installer thing?17:39
johnxright, that's a known issue. we were talking about it earlier :)17:39
Capn_FishThe keyboard?17:39
m-csigh -- sorry to ask again but I cannot find it -- where is the nokia web page with instructions on upgrading to OS2008 via USB cable with a Linux OS host ?17:39
JaffaWhat Nokia web page?17:40 guys don't have N810s, so testing must be rather difficult17:40
Jaffaqwerty12: damn, quicker than me17:40
johnxCapn_Fish, well, actually, the buttons on the N800 probably wouldn't work either17:40
Capn_FishMost likely17:41
johnxthis is the same problem I had run into earlier in beta2 and earlier :)17:41
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Capn_FishThere's a quirk I noticed....17:41
johnxit's just a matter of copying over this /usr/share/hal/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi or similar17:41
Capn_Fishto turn the keyboard LEDs on, you echo n > /proc/class/leds/keyboard/backlight_level17:41
Capn_Fishjohnx: Great news!17:41
qwerty12Jaffa, Heh. Ever thought of changing the name of 770flasher? The name would put n00bs with a N800/n810 off and it's the perfect app to help them to flash the tablet if they don't know how.17:42
johnxactually, are you on diablo?17:42
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lbtGeneralAntilles: could we get the RSS feed from the wiki to send to #maemo?17:42
Capn_Fishwow, my trackpad is going nuts...If I hover my finger over it, it reacts!17:42
johnxand also, Stskeeps already integrated that into his debian installer I believe17:42
Capn_Fishanyway, yes I'm using Diablo17:42
johnxalright, it's something else then, 10-x11-input.fdi17:42
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johnxthat *should* do it, but you get to be the beta tester :)17:43
Capn_Fishhang on, I'll try to find it17:43
Jaffaqwerty12: yes, but the N800 came out after I'd sold my Mac.17:43
qwerty12Jaffa, Ah, ok :)17:43
JaffaBuy me a MacBook Air and I'll fix it - and even make it better :-)17:43
GeneralAntilleslbt, please, no. ;)17:43
GeneralAntilles#maemo-wiki perhaps17:44
qwerty12Jaffa, I don't even have a Mac :P :)17:44
m-cqwerty12: Oh, right, it was on the maemo site, not the nokia site.  Thanks so much, pal!!!17:44
GeneralAntillesJaffa, why'd you sell?17:44
Jaffaqwerty12: two MBAs then and keep one for yourself ;-)17:44
lbt:D is there really *that* much activity?17:44
Capn_Fishjohnx: Any ideas on how to make the mail/power/event LED turn on? THe usual echo n > xxx doesn't work with it17:44
johnxCapn_Fish, no idea on that. also different on the n80017:45
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GeneralAntilleslbt, there's enough.17:45
qwerty12Jaffa, Hmm, tempting.17:45
johnxCapn_Fish, if you wanted your own project to work on...that would be a good one :)17:45
hrwlbt: wiki has rss so use rss reader17:45
Capn_Fishfair enough17:45
JaffaGeneralAntilles: had an original 1.42GHz G4 Mac mini and realised the only apps I was regularly using were OSS ones anyway, so I sold it and built a 64-bit AMD box which runs Firefox,, GIMP, Inkscape and a Terminal a bit more powerfully :-)17:45
hrwlbt: not everyone likes spamming bots on irc17:45
qwerty12johnx, make it run mce and use the dbus commands to fire up the led :P17:45
johnxqwerty12, :P I would dearly like to escape from mce :/17:46
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I did look for an old PowerMac or Mac Pro on eBay first. But they really retain their second hand value17:46
hrwjohnx: pester nokia then to add proper kernel support for that led17:46
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qwerty12Disassemble NOLO?17:46
johnxhrw, I have other wifi17:47
qwerty12(come on, if NOLO can do it...)17:47
Capn_Fishjohnx: I don't see anything with xkbd in it...Maybe 10-x11-input.fdi?17:47
johnxI'd rather just buy an LED flashlight and shine it in my face when I feel like it17:47
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johnxCapn_Fish, that sounds right17:47
lbthrw: fair enough - I like the idea of a #maemo-wiki though17:47
johnx<Capn_Fish> anyway, yes I'm using Diablo17:47
johnx<johnx> alright, it's something else then, 10-x11-input.fdi17:47
jottCapn_Fish: <- thats a little test tool i wrote for the n810...17:48
|tbb|is there allready a kbd reconfigure gui app available?17:48
qwerty12For which platform? Maemo or Debian? And for the N810 hardware keyboard?17:48
|tbb|n810 hw keyboard17:49
Capn_Fishjott: That LED has RGB?!?17:49
GeneralAntillesJaffa, haha, second-hand is right.17:49
hrw|tbb|: look at ukeyboard17:49
qwerty12I was gonna suggest that :p17:49
lbtCapn_Fish: only the 81017:49
lbt800 is monochrome17:49
Capn_FishThat's what I have :)17:49
jottCapn_Fish: on the n81017:50
Capn_Fishcool indeed17:50
Capn_FishThanks much!17:50
Capn_FishI will be having WAY too much fun with that...17:50
Capn_FishMY KB WORKS!!!!!!!! :)17:51
Capn_Fishjohnx: Thanks much!17:51
johnxCapn_Fish, so it was just the one file?17:51
Capn_Fishmakes things easy17:52
johnxawesome, thanks for testing17:52
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Capn_FishNow if only I could make it a job...17:52
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johnxyeah, that'd be nice, wouldn't it?17:53
|tbb|jott, how can i get the values out from the color i switch with your sliders17:53
|tbb|so i can use it under mce17:53
Capn_Fishjohnx: one more todo: Add xmodmap to the base image17:53
Capn_FishI still need to install it :(17:53
johnxhmm, but not everyone will need it17:54
johnxalso, it's really easy to install17:54
Capn_Fishjohnx: Maybe have it ask a question?17:54
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Capn_FishThose with N810s will DEFINITELY want it17:54
johnxunless they stay on the console17:54
jotti guess xmodmap is small enough to provide it in a base image ...17:54
Capn_FishStill, a prompt wouldn't hurt much, would it?17:55
Capn_FishOr at least a warning on the Wiki17:55
johnxask Stskeeps. The installer is all his work. I'm taking a break for now :)17:56
Capn_Fishfair enough17:56
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aquatixhm, xmodmap17:57
johnxbut also, anyone who knows how to use xmodmap should know how to install it. Is the keyboard functional enough to use apt-get?17:57
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Capn_Fishexcept NOT functional enough to configure wireless, so you need to do that ahead of time17:58
Capn_Fishand still no functional WEP, AFAICT17:58
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johnxthe WEP problem is the oddest thing17:59
Capn_FishI know17:59
johnxthere are other people with working WEP17:59
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Capn_FishMaybe it's my hidden SSID?18:00
Capn_Fishthat messes with WPA, I know18:00
jottwhy use WEP at all? :O18:00
qwerty12Bye for now, got to untar android :)18:00
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Capn_Fishjott: long story18:01
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Capn_Fishjott: more to the point, I'm a LONG ways from anybody else, so there's really no point18:02
|tbb|ukeyboard isnt compatible with diabolo right now18:03
jottwho needs encryption? i live in a faraday cage! ;p18:03
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Capn_FishAnybody know how to set up a static IP wireless link? I've never managed to do it correctly18:04
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johnxifconfig wlan0
Capn_FishWhat about AP, DNS, gateways, etc?18:05
johnxDNS goes in /etc/resolv.conf18:05
johnxAP: iwconfig wlan0 essid your-router18:06
|tbb|u need wirelesstools to do so iirc18:06
johnxroute add default gw
johnxif he's doing this in debian they should be installed18:07
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|tbb|ah k18:07
* johnx never remembers the syntax for route off the top of his head18:07
jottuse "ip" instead ;)18:07
johnxjott, ip?18:08
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X-Fadeiproute2 package, I guess.18:08
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johnxfair enough. usually when I don't have net access I tend not to install new packages :P18:09
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Capn_Fishbah, the route stuff is the key I'm sure, but I can't get it right18:12
lardmanbmidgley: ping18:12
Capn_FishI'll just go re-set-up my WPA router :)18:12
bmidgleylardman pong18:12
lardmanbmidgley: I'm just working out what the innards of _sbc_analyze_four() do18:13
lardmanbmidgley: I take it you scale different parts by different amounts depending on their significance18:13
lardmanbmidgley: scale -> right shift18:14
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bmidgleylardman that may be true in general18:15
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bmidgleylardman but the goal is always to keep as much precision as possible without an overflow18:16
lardmanbmidgley: ah, ok18:16
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lardmanbmidgley: this method does away with calculating the Z coefficients directly and merges them all together at the end?18:17
bmidgleylardman fwiw, the overflows sound like an occasional loud pop or constant static if they happen more often18:17
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lardmanbmidgley: ok, I was just trying to work out why the variable bitshifts18:18
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bmidgleylardman I can't remember the z coefficients18:18
bmidgleywhich part of the code?18:18
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lardmanIn the spec, the 2nd operation: 1) read in data 2) windowing my 40 coeffs18:19
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bmidgleylardman can you restate the question :)18:21
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lardmanbmidgley: I guess what I'm interested in is how many operations your method saves over the method given in the spec?18:23
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lardmanbmidgley: I'm trying to work out how/whether the DSP could perform some operations differently (i.e. more quickly)18:29
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bmidgleylardman it's mostly about factoring multiplies because they are expensive18:30
lardmanbmidgley: I'm just counting how many there are now18:32
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lardman37 mul, 43 adds, 11 shifts18:33
lardmanor there abouts18:33
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bmidgleylardman multiplies aren't expensive on the dsp18:34
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bmidgleywhat's expensive is non-symmetrical ops18:34
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lardmanbmidgley: yep, which is why I was trying to work out what you have done :)18:35
bmidgleythe dsp impl needs to look more like the spec18:35
bmidgleythe s[] terms don't appear in the spec18:36
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bmidgleymultiply work them out of the workflow to reveal what is going on18:36
bmidgleyargh, I'm late for work18:36
lardmanyep, they are related to the fact that there are 5 references into the Z array in the spec18:37
lardmancheers for your helps18:37
bmidgleyok, will check in later18:38
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GeneralAntilleslbt, if you want to look into how the recent changes IRC feeds are set up, I'll see what I can do.18:42
GeneralAntillesGoogle isn't turning up anything useful for me, though.18:43
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Atariianyone know if the rtcomm Beta works with 2008he?18:48
lcuk_wrklbt, also not sure if it will help, but mgedmin has a bot in here logging all the time.  you could see if it has communication skills as well as listening18:49
mgedminnah, the bot is utterly stoopid18:50
mgedminit is barely able to log the logs18:50
mgedminthere are smarter bots in here, I believe18:50
mgedmin~lart stoopid bots18:50
* infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, stoopid bots!" and lops off stoopid bots's head18:50
mgedminnope, also stoopid18:50
mgedmincan't tell plural from singular18:50
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GeneralAntillesWell, that was a waste of time.18:55
* GeneralAntilles fails at supybot and mozbot.18:56
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GeneralAntillesThere seems to be no documentation for either.18:56
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infobothmm... documentation is not the issue for why the new stuff isn't completed18:57
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zap~documentation is also the thing everybody wants, but nobody reads19:03
infobotzap: okay19:03
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GeneralAntilles"ERROR!!!" oh yeah, that's useful.19:06
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GeneralAntillesAlright, enough bullshit with woefully under-documented IRC bots.19:07
GeneralAntillesSomebody else is welcome to invest their time in that.19:07
Atariiwith rtcomm beta installed, when you go to create a new chat account on the nokia, should all the available services be in the drop-down menu?19:08
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Atariiah on 2008HE i only get Google Talk, Jabber and SIP19:09
GeneralAntillesWho knows with HE.19:10
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zapIs it fine if an .deb file will place some files to /media/mmc2/... ?19:20
zapI mean it's a game with pretty large data files (>100 megs)19:20
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zapI'm just not sure app manager or apt/dpkg will eat that19:20
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snowmoon-workzap, why not have the game download the maps after it's installed19:21
johnxit won't work for n800 users with no internal sd card or people who boot from sd19:21
Atariiah sweet rtcomm beta works in 2008HE :D19:21
Atariihmm except I have no contacts19:22
johnxmaybe a version that unpacks to mmc2 and a version where users can place data files manually19:22
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GeneralAntillesIs there a way to throw a dialog asking where you want to put the data files during the application install?19:23
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snowmoon-workWhere does app manager store the files before installing?  If it's downloaded to temp you are kinda screwed and will never be able to distribute huge datasets without downloading them after installing19:24
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Atariiim guessing this should pull in all your contacts automatically right?19:25
GeneralAntillesor rootfs if you don't have an mmc2 available or change it in Red Pill mode.19:25
GeneralAntillestempfs is, like 1MB19:26
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Look into ukki's scripts19:26
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I'm not interested. ;)19:26
GeneralAntilleszap, look into ukki's scripts.19:26
qwerty12I don't care, I was answering a question that was asked by you.19:26
zapdoesn't n800 have an internal card?19:27
mgedminit has an internal slot19:27
mgedminwhether or not it has a card depends on whether you put it in there or not ;-)19:27
zaphmm, so there's even no place to download the deb files to19:27
zapbtw this also should apply to n810 as well :(19:28
mgedminthe n810 has a soldered-in internal card that you cannot remove19:28
zapapp manager downloads them to /var/tmp, right?19:28
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GeneralAntilleszap, read the scrollback. . . .19:28
mgedminI *think* the app manager downloads them to /media/mmc2 if it can, then falls back to /var/tmp19:28
mgedminand no, I haven't read the scrollback19:28
zapI'll have a look although have no idea whats that19:28
GeneralAntilleszap, the scrollback in the channel.19:28
mgedmina .deb file just dropping files under /media would be UNACCEPTABLE in my eyes19:29
zaphow far? :)19:29
GeneralAntillesBarely a page.19:29
qwerty12mgedmin, it's also impossible ;)19:29
GeneralAntillesBetween when you asked your question and now. . . .19:29
mgedminreally? does dpkg complain?19:29
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zapGeneralAntilles: I see you suggested some 'ukki scripts'19:29
qwerty12mgedmin, yes, dpkg only works with permission based filesystems19:29
mgedminah, vfat saves the day :)19:29
GeneralAntilles[12:24pm] <snowmoon-work> Where does app manager store the files before installing?  If it's downloaded to temp you are kinda screwed and will never be able to distribute huge datasets without downloading them after installing19:30
GeneralAntilles[12:25pm] <GeneralAntilles> mmc219:30
GeneralAntilles[12:25pm] <GeneralAntilles> or rootfs if you don't have an mmc2 available or change it in Re19:30
zapit won't fit on rootfs19:30
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JaffaHow big a dataset are we talking here?19:31
johnxwhy not just let the data file be a separate zip file download19:31
Stskeepsjohnx: is bluetooth on debian just installing bluez btw?19:31
GeneralAntillesfyi, this problem has already been dealt with by pupnik, ukki and others.19:31
zapabout 100Mb min and ~300Mb max19:31
GeneralAntillesLook into how they do it and you'll have your answer. . . .19:31
zapin what package?19:32
qwerty12<qwerty12> Look into ukki's scripts19:32
zapukki == ukmp?19:32
qwerty12I said that time ago19:32
GeneralAntillesNo, ukki == ukki19:32
* GeneralAntilles gives up and moves on.19:32
zapwell, google knows alot of ukki :)19:32
johnxStskeeps, yeah, I think so. it's pretty automagic19:32
zapsorry GA19:32
zapaha, ukki == widelands19:33
zapGA, you could be more specific19:33
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qwerty12ukki = duke3d19:33
qwerty12ukki = solmumaha (on #maemo ;))19:33
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qwerty12You could also grab my "full" rott package. It uses ukki scripts to make a simple text file saying to put the games here on /media/mmc2 or mmc119:34
qwerty12s/games/data files/19:34
infobotqwerty12 meant: You could also grab my "full" rott package. It uses ukki scripts to make a simple text file saying to put the data files here on /media/mmc2 or mmc119:34
qwerty12~lart "Xming[e]" x server for windows19:35
* infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to "Xming[e]" x server, and goes postal for windows19:35
zapqwerty12: where I can get them?19:35
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qwerty12zap, - my rott, - ukki's duke3d, - could help & you may want to get in touch with solmumaha for a certain website and then tell me the link as I forgot it :P19:39
zapthank you!19:39
mgedminduke3d runs on NITs?19:39
qwerty12Yes, for a long time now :)19:39
qwerty12Shadow warrior too, just a little slower19:39
mgedminthat brings back memories...19:40
qwerty12I want to see OpenUT :(19:40
Stskeepsjohnx: Capn_Fish just verified the camera works :)19:40
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zapqwerty12: hmm, btw, how you ported rott? is the source available?19:42
qwerty12zap, it's a dodgy port anyways19:42
qwerty12source is available19:42
qwerty12check the last post if you want to finish it off ;)19:42
zap:) well I'm not a rott fan19:43
qwerty12I made it run full screen and stablised the memory a bit but it still likes to freeze :) :P19:43
zapI'm a uqm fan, that's why I'm asking about big files :)19:43
qwerty12I think uqm has already been done by ZerionSeven, let me check19:43
zapbut I'd like it a bit more user-friendly19:43
zapthere are three votes on garage, that's a shame :)19:44
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zapI badly miss a "bookmark this post" feature on itt forums :)19:45
JaffaHmm. Diablo SDK + maemo-explicit doesn't contain X Terminal19:45
qwerty12Jaffa, if you know the password, jack it from catalogue.tableteer...19:46
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Jaffaqwerty12: possible. Don't need it, turns out19:47
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zaphehe, Enigma does just what I said - hardcoded to /media/mmc2/enigma19:47
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mgedminwould be nicer if it tried both mmc cards19:52
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cjohnsonSo is there a good guide to updating/upgrading/flashing my newly purchased n800 to os2008?19:54
cjohnsonPreferably maemo 4.119:54
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Atariicjohnson download the latest image from here
qwerty12cjohnson, linux or win?19:55
cjohnsonWindows :(19:55
zapmgedmin: the general approach is to present the user with a choice dialog19:55
cjohnsonIs 4.1 DIABLO ?19:56
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cjohnsonwow 135mb19:56
* zap wonders why such a strange codename19:56
Atariicjohnson then use this windows flashing tool
aquatixwell, it's version d, after c(hinook)19:58
lcuk_wrki survived19:58
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* qwerty12 kills lcuk19:58
Jaffazap: Maemo codenames are named after winds.19:59
cjohnsonjust like fesity fawn, gutsy gibbons, hardy herron, etc.19:59
qwerty12lcuk, not on #maemo you dont :P19:59
lcukgee. thanks qwerty1219:59
cjohnsonnamed in order :D19:59
qwerty12lcuk, any time ;)19:59
zapJaffa: thanks19:59
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lcukim waiting for maemo Hurricane edition, when you install it you get a little CNN reporter on your desktop20:00
* qwerty12 would rather have the bbc :P20:00
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lcukbut those CNN reporters are hard.   hell, i was shocked when john simpson said last night he was in Zimbabwe after bbc were explicitely banned from the country20:01
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JaffaChannel 4 News rocks too, but they're not naming theirs ;-)20:02
lcukjaffa, thats what i mean, i think thats the first time ive seen a bbc reporter actually go properly undercover20:03
lcukand announce it on the news20:03
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aquatixlcuk: lol @ reporter20:04
cjohnsonthe updater wont' find the device20:05
cjohnsonit's in update mode (followed step 5, it shows nokia logo with usb logo top right)20:05
cjohnsonbut updater won't find it20:05
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zapbbc was banned, but not every person with an UK passport, I presume20:06
Jaffalcuk: Nah, they've done it before. John Simpson as well, IIRC.20:06
RST38hFolks, please confirm bug #335920:06
RST38hLooks like maintainers do not believe it occurs20:06
Jaffazap: I was reading something about a reporter for The Times who got in, but then was detained when they discovered he was a reporter. Not pleasant reading.20:06
zapwell, you don't have to say you're a reporter20:07
qwerty12I be in Zimbabwe looking for guns, I make deal with government.20:07
Stskeepshrm, what arm version does the tablets run? v5el or v6el instruction set?20:08
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JaffaNo, of course not. But a) sometimes it shows up on your passport, b) sometimes you're well known, c) doesn't take much to watch the BBC News and look for "our world editor, John Simpson, has managed to get in to Zimbabwe, and sends this report from there"20:08
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qwerty12N800 is v620:08
GeneralAntillesAhaha . . . awesome. supybot, apparently, believes the correct response to invalid settings is to nuke entire sections of the .conf file.20:08
Stskeepsjust have this bizarre notion to try out mojo's distributions of ubuntu20:08
zapRST38h: have you tried with plain USB keyboards?20:09
AtariiStskeeps, on itt forums you mentioned about voluntees for debian on 77020:09
zapRST38h: is the delay from BT keyboards different from the delay with USB keyboards?20:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: nice.20:09
* GeneralAntilles really doesn't have the patience for irc bots, evidently.20:10
StskeepsAtarii: yeah - is what we're doing for n800 and n810 right now20:10
cjohnsonit keeps connecting and disconnecting to my computer20:10
StskeepsAtarii: i'm not sure what the boot process differences would be on n77020:10
GeneralAntillesI think I'll push this as a proposal for the team, instead.20:10
zapcjohnson: your computer is hot20:10
cjohnsonzap, ?20:10
qwerty12that sentence made me laugh, sorry.20:10
lcukjaffa :) thanks for a bit more of your knowledge.  was the first time i'd seen anything like that20:10
Atariiright, ill have a read of the wiki20:11
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RST38hzap: I did not try usb20:11
zapdon't you have a female A-A converter?20:11
cjohnsontried it again, works now20:12
zapit would be helpful imho to point out if it's a general problem with keyboards20:12
zapor just a BT problem20:12
cjohnsonit said 20 minutes to update, took about 10 seconds20:12
cjohnsonis that normal?20:12
Atariiyes cjohnson20:12
Jaffalcuk: John Simpson's autobiography's quite interesting. Although he's *very* full of himself. Jon Snow's is also a good read, and much more humble.20:13
RST38hzap: I have no connector, no keyboard, and my tablet is in a case preventing access to usb port20:13
lcukcool :)20:14
zapand I have no BT keyboard20:14
* lcuk sends missus on a secret raid to whsmiths20:14
lcuk(not that secretive, she works there :D)20:14
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mgedmindid I somehow manage to subscribe to with two email addresses, or is that list forwarded into maemo-dev@?20:16
Jaffamgedmin: it's not forwarded into maemo-dev. However, you get sent an email directly after you've uploaded a package.20:17
cjohnsonIs there a good list of things I should usually do upon a fresh install of OS2008? On my n800, I've slowly added repos and enabled red pill mode, etc...but I can't remember all the things I did. I just got my dad one, but I want to enable the extra stuff for him as well.20:17
mgedminbut that's for your package only, right?20:17
Jaffamgedmin: subscribing to extras-cauldron-builds is only useful if you're interested in *other*'s builds.20:17
mgedminI'm getting all of them20:17
mgedminoh, duh20:17
mgedminno wait20:17
mgedminI'm getting all of them to one address20:17
JaffaHmm. Odd.20:17
mgedminI forgot how many I got to the other address20:17
mgedminthat could've been the personal ones20:17
* Jaffa afks to go and tell his grandparents another Jaffalet is on the way.20:18
mgedminJaffa: congratulations!20:18
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RST38hAnybody uses a USB keyboard with his tablet?20:18
RST38hSorry, not USB, BT keyboard =)20:18
* mgedmin tried once, with a 77020:18
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qwerty12Jaffa, congratulations :)20:18
* mgedmin tried a few times, with a n80020:18
cjohnsonRST38h, I use the iGo Stowaway20:18
cjohnsonRST38h, it works pretty good20:18
lcuk:O Jaffa!!!!   hope mrs Jaffa doesnt give birth to a tangareen20:18
lcukcongrats btw20:18
BlafaselJaffa: The same one or an improved version? :) Grats20:18
lcukomg @ my horrid spellingm thats worse than usual20:20
Stskeepswill i be burned at the stake for trying to get ubuntu booting on n800?20:20
RST38hcjohnson: no skipped characters?20:20
aquatixcjohnson: yeah, here too20:20
aquatixRST38h: only repeated ones...20:20
ccookeStskeeps: depends if you use the full ubuntu or not :-)20:20
qwerty12Stskeeps, Nope. Hope it runs better than android on N800 :(20:20
ccookeqwerty12: android ran badly?20:21
Stskeepsccooke: no clue.. i'm going to debootstrap and see if i can make it boot20:21
cjohnsonRST38h, I never get them...though the enter key in pidgin convos is a bit undersensitive20:21
ccookeStskeeps: that should be very possible20:21
* RST38h is not getting repeats but the keys skip20:21
cjohnsoni usually have to wait until the screen catches up with my typing before hitting enter20:21
aquatixStskeeps: installing MID?20:21
RST38hand there is lag20:21
Stskeepsaquatix:'s port of ubuntu20:21
cjohnsonRST38h, do you have internet connection through bluetooth?20:21
qwerty12ccooke, It runs except I can't get the touch screen to work with the provided patch20:21
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RST38hcjohnson: nope20:21
aquatixqwerty12: friend of mine couldn't too20:22
aquatixcjohnson: i did20:22
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Andy80hi all20:23
qwerty12aquatix, thanks, nice to know I'm not alone :)20:23
cjohnsonaquatix, I've read that bluetooth for internet and for keyboard causes lag in the keyboard20:23
cjohnsonaquatix, especially with repeated characters20:24
aquatixhe was quite underwhelmed by android too20:24
qwerty12I'm using patches that I ported to the diablo kernel though so I can't straight apply some patches :?20:24
aquatixcjohnson: hm, i'll try in a minute with wifi20:24
Jaffamgedmin/lcuk/qwerty12/Blafasel: ta muchly. #1 is in the terrible twos, so hopefully an imrpvement :)20:24
Andy80how can I unlock the USB port? I'm trying to use USB Networking in Control Panel, but it says "USB Connection in use. Please disconnect the cable" but the cable is already disconnected....20:24
lcukmy 6 year old just finished terrible twos ;)20:24
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Jaffalcuk: noooooooooooooooooooo!20:28
qwerty12Haha, I'd lol so badly if #1 and #2 ever are in the terrible twos together :P20:29
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lcukits ok, eldest managed to pull through that stage quickly, little jake is a bit behind.  swings and roundabouts.  hope yours aren't *that* bad for you20:29
admin_is there any advantage of 2008HE over 2008?20:29
Jaffaqwerty12: that's what sticks are for.20:29
lcukqwerty12, ive got a 6yr old and 13yr old who fight20:29
lcukactually, now i think about it, the youngest acts older...20:30
lcukadmin_, 2008HE is for the older n770, os2008 is the actual os for the n800 and n81020:30
admin_ah ok lcuk , thanks20:31
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aquatixhm, i have to re-pair my iGo20:31
lcukthrew it in the dock?20:31
aquatixnow why doesn't it pair...20:32
* aquatix is typing the numbers the n810 suggests20:33
lcukpress enter?20:33
aquatixhm :)20:33
* Jaffa foods20:33
aquatixJaffa: enjoy20:33
lcukmgedmin, there is a hole in your mind.20:33
mgedminthat's for ventilation20:34
lcuk:D heh20:34
mgedminotherwise it'd overheat20:34
lcuki just did a massive mega search of google looking for something you told me20:34
lcukthe thing about packages sorted by install date, ive found it now20:34
lcukand its not in the log :P20:35
mgedminpovbot might've been sulking at the time20:35
lcuki had to dig through text log here20:35
mgedminit does that sometimes20:35
mgedminls -lrt /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.files20:35
mgedminpovbot`: got that?20:35
povbot`mgedmin: Error: "got" is not a valid command.20:35
lcukyer, ive noticed it runs out of the chan and slams the door as it goes20:35
mgedminoh, that was probably when I upgraded the kernel and had to wait 20 minutes for the fsck20:36
lcukahhh, your bot can talk in chan20:36
mgedminall it ever says is "error"20:36
mgedmin~lart stupid bots again20:36
* infobot shoves a crumpet down stupid bots again's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?20:36
mgedminmmm, crumpet20:36
lcuknothing wrong with a bit of crumpet20:36
qwerty12infobot, fight with povbot`20:37
* infobot laughs as with povbot` reboots sending qwerty12 into the aether20:37
qwerty12ok, not the result I desired20:37
lcuknot the result we desired either, it didnt actually kick you out :P20:37
qwerty12northeners first :P20:38
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lcukwhy, cos you're scared?20:38
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* lcuk grows up20:38
qwerty12nah, us from the south can fight20:38
qwerty12well, kinda, as I'm from the north >.<20:39
lcukyer, unfortunately too many people do (from north or south and with weapons)20:39
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aquatixi type the darn code, but the tablet just says pairing failed device resources exceeded after a while20:40
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mangehey.. is it true that Diablo is out? not just the beta version ?20:45
mangeim searching, but cant really find the guide on how to put it in..20:46
mangei got this .bin file20:46
lcukdo you use windows? and have you got an 800 or 81020:46
mangei use ubuntu, and have got 81020:46
mangethank you GeneralAntilles20:46
lcukthen do what the general says20:46
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that page also covers Windows20:47
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mangebtw, does this mean that i should get N800 image, even if I have N810? "The N810 image integrates minor optimizations and bugfixes, while the N800 image offers now full functionality and several bugfixes found after the developer beta release made last month."20:47
mangeit sounds like the N800 image is better20:47
GeneralAntilles~flashing is covered at
infobotGeneralAntilles: okay20:47
GeneralAntillesEr, mange, where do you see that?20:47
GeneralAntillesThat was when the N800's first OS2008 beta image was released.20:48
mangeoh, maybe thats old :)20:48
GeneralAntillesThe images are in sync now.20:48
lcuksince that was last year relating to the chinook release20:48
mgedminbesides you cannot flash the n800 image on a n81020:49
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mgedminthe flasher won't let you20:49
mgedminI thin20:49
mgedminactually I once tried flashing a 770 image on a n800, and got a scary write error in the middle20:49
mgedmininstead of a nice "wrong image, dummy!" at the beginning20:49
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aquatixah, it paired20:55
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aquatixtyping from n810 with iGo bt keyboard20:56
aquatixit's a bit slow, but at least it doesn't repeat now20:57
aquatixso i guess those repeats came from internet through bt too20:57
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Stskeepsoh, that's interesting21:00
StskeepsUbuntu 7.04 Nokia-N800-51-3 tty121:00
StskeepsNokia-N800-51-3 login:21:01
Stskeepsofcourse something's horridly bad, but it works :)21:01
Stskeeps.. atleast sortof21:01
mgedminStskeeps: what's that? telnet or serial console?21:04
Stskeepsmgedmin: booted into it21:04
mgedminwait, Ubuntu?!21:04
Stskeepsso console framebuffer21:04
mgedmindoes wireless work?21:04
Stskeepshey, i just made it work like i made debian bootstrap initially :P21:05
Stskeepspatience ;)21:05
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Stskeepsand wireless would work with same tricks as in debian21:05
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mangehow is the power management in debian on n810?21:07
mangesimilar batterytime?21:07
Stskeepsmange: wifi not so good, rest decent21:07
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Stskeepsthere's beta3 by johnx and then there's our from bottom up (doing it correctly) debian installer21:07
mangeokay.. so, like .. 4 hours of usage?21:08
Stskeepsbeta3 is more feature complete right now21:08
Stskeepsno clue21:08
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Stskeepsokay, can anyone tell me what the hell ':' means in a shell script?21:10
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Stskeepsas in, standalone, :21:10
mgedminsame as /bin/true21:10
mgedminit's a shell builtin21:10
mgedmintry help : if you're running under something smarter than busybox sh21:11
Stskeepsokay, so i obviously have something broken in my ubuntu since it complains about it not working..21:11
Stskeeps\h:\w$ :21:11
Stskeepsdash: :: not found21:11
aquatixshouldn't you have %'s in there?21:11
aquatixah no, ignore that21:12
aquatixStskeeps: what's the complete line?21:12
Stskeepsaquatix: think it's a bashism - i read in the ubuntu bootstrap for armel that they disable dash completely or things mess up21:13
Stskeepsand it matches what i saw21:13
aquatixthat could very well be the cause indeed21:13
|tbb|i have insmod some modules (iptables) how can i tell them to use the shared libarys which stay /lib/iptables ? Every time i run iptables -t nat .... i became segmention fault21:13
* Stskeeps reboots ubuntu21:14
mgedminStskeeps: : works in my dash21:14
Stskeepsmgedmin: alright - guess it's cos it's 7.04 or something21:14
mgedminhm, 8.04 here21:14
* Stskeeps tries installing some more debian-nit packages to it and see how well it keeps up21:15
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zapAnybody knows if the tremor library is available anywhere as a separate package?21:31
zap(I mean in maemo repos_21:31
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Stskeepsright, i now officially have ubuntu 7.04 booting in a sane manner :) (base system, no GUI just yet.)21:36
Stskeeps(on n800)21:36
qwerty12_N800cool :)21:36
Stskeepswith usb0 just for now.. not sure how ubuntu allows for firmware loading for wireless21:36
zapcan you try usb networking with windoz?21:38
zapor it uses the regular nokia kernel?21:38
mangewhy 7.04? isn't that a kind of old ubuntu?21:38
Stskeepsnormal nokia kernel21:38
Stskeepsthat's why21:38
Stskeepsoh, by no GUI i mean X, but i have console framebuffer21:39
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mangeit'd be cool to run on n81021:39
GAN800recompile for arm21:40
GAN800and opengl support21:40
GAN800good luck with that.21:40
Stskeepsdoesn't it have a flash interface too?21:40
qwerty12_N800armel technically21:40
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* Stskeeps considers being suicidal and installing ubuntu-desktop and Xomap.21:43
Stskeepsah heck, can't find my livecd. bloody rndis bug21:44
eocanhaOne question: I'm reviewing the debian policy to find out what build-depends I have to use in my package21:46
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eocanhaand I see an example like this:21:46
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zaphmm, SDL from N8xx can upscale only YUV data? Not RGB?21:46
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eocanhaBuild-Depends: kernel-headers-2.2.10 [!hurd-i386], hurd-dev [hurd-i386], gnumach-dev [hurd-i386]21:46
eocanhaand I see that "hurd-i386" is the architecture21:47
eocanhaWhat would be the architecture in Maemo?21:47
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eocanhabut how can I distiguish desktop i386 from maemo i386 ?21:48
eocanha(for compilation in the scratchbox)21:48
eocanhaI'd like my package to depend on hildon libs when built for maemo-i386 or maemo-armel, but not when built for desktop-i38621:49
eocanha(I already have autoconf tests to detect in what environment is the package being compiled)21:50
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* Jaffa 's Eee now on eBay:
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doc|homethanks for the spam22:02
GAN800Frree viagra.. call now!122:03
madhavHi, did anyone know how to enable xshm in xfbdev22:04
* doc|home prefers C14l4S22:04
Jaffadoc|home: why, you're very welcome22:04
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mangehmm, this is kinda annoying.. i upgraded to Diablo, and now i cant pair with my phone, because my phone operator is no longer in the list (shown by pairing wizard)22:15
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qwerty12_N800which operator is it22:16
GAN800Set up manually? . . .22:17
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mangeit's Tele2 Comviq22:18
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mangeit used to be in the list :(22:18
qwerty12_N800that's a swedish network right?22:18
mangethe problem is, if I select "none", no connection is added to the COnnections list, so i cant configure it manually (like the wizard propose)22:18
mangebut i just found a workaround, if i add some other operator, and then edit that profile with the stuff from tele2 comviqs homepage, it might work22:19
RaytrayMy n800 dims on boot. Even before diablo, is there a setting a way to stop it?22:19
GAN800bootmenu? . . .22:20
GAN800fanoush's initfs can be set up to set brightness on boot.22:21
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mangehow does the AGPS tool work? i just see a world map and i can move around a small crosshair22:21
RaytrayAh I see.22:21
mangeisn't it suppose to download stuff from the network? i have an active wifi conn up22:21
GAN800mange, see the Nokia beta page for details.22:21
lcukmange, stop moving the crosshair around, you are sending my gps wonky22:21
RaytrayAnd what should I do if one or both of my sd cards sends the 800 into a freeze, and then reboot cycle?22:22
lcuktake it out?22:22
qwerty12_N800install ksyslogd and post the log somewhere22:22
mangei can affect your gps from mine? :)22:23
lcukmange, just use the agps map to set roughly where you are.  it helps the magic inside your tablet to do its stuff (hopefully faster than before)22:24
* qwerty12_N800 changes target of us military gpses to north pole22:24
mangei hope so.. i was never able to get a fix before :)22:24
mangeim gonna head outside now and see this magic22:25
mangekinda rough triangulation.. i mean, 1 pixel must be like several miles on that world map :P22:25
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RaytrayWhere can klogd's logs be found?22:27
qwerty12_N800/var/log iirc22:27
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etrunkoX-Fade: around?22:33
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Wikierthx m-vo22:37
Wikierlet see22:37
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m-voI quite like "'Air guitar and attitude' won't do."22:38
m-voAlan Kay is in the comments.22:38
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Wikierits ivan22:39
Wikierwikier is the sergios nick :)22:39
m-voI know! :-)22:40
m-voAnother nice one: "Diversity without thresholds is simply Babel."22:42
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milhousehmmm... is it just me or is (ie. the main wiki page) broken? I'm getting a blank page in Firefox, "The request or reply is too large. " in IE722:46
milhousehttps is ok though22:46
Jaffamilhouse: press reload/refresh22:46
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milhousei have - same22:46
lardmanblank here too22:46
milhousectrl-r, no joy22:46
Jaffamilhouse: Ctrl-Shift-R ?22:47
JaffaThat fixed it for me. Some cache somewhere's got the blank version in22:47
lardmanah ha, same here22:47
milhousetrying c-s-r...22:47
milhousejoy - that worked, thanks jaffa!22:48
lcukit came up blank for me a few times but then worked after about 5 bashes. perhaps it needs multi hits to wake it up22:49
* lardman wonders how to avoid saturation22:50
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lcuklardman, yake a brolly22:51
lcuktake even22:51
lardmanI was waiting for it :)22:51
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lardmanI actually meant when doing fixed point multiplies22:52
lcukfixed point as in normal ints?22:52
lardmanfloats multiplied by a factor to make them ints22:53
lbtput a 0 in there - that should do it :)22:53
lardmanlose significance then though ;p22:53
lcukfudge factors - what ranges do you need22:53
lcukand are these still 16bit ints22:54
lardmanyeah, I need to sit down and work out what will be significant at the end of the calc22:54
lardman16bit ints turn into 32bit ints by the end, with 2 or so multiplies by floats22:54
lcukwell 16*16 normally requires a 32bit result. thats nothing new, why get floats involved at all?22:55
lardmanpart of the spec22:55
lcukis this the audio comp22:56
lardmanyep, sbc22:56
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lcuklardman, wheres the spec you are pllaying with at the mo?  is it online22:59
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zaphmm, what to do if I apt-get'ed sources of a package (in Ubuntu), then built it, it built fine but the version number contains "ubuntu" in it?23:00
zapshould I change ubuntu into maemo?23:00
lardmanlcuk: here:
Stskeepszap: afaik version doesn't matter anything..23:01
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sp3000zap: I don't suppose there's much point in tweaking version unless you're changing something else23:02
sp3000but I suppose m-vo can lecture on versions :P23:02
zapquestion is, will such a package be accepted into, say, maemo-extras?23:02
m-voI can lecture on anything!23:03
m-vozap, if you made no changes whatsoever, just keep the original version.23:04
qwerty12_N800Lecture on why app manager has no never show nokia legal warning  again button please? :p23:05
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m-voUhh, qwerty12_N800, i didn't really get what you are saying.23:05
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m-voYou want the legal notice dialog to go away?23:06
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m-voAhh, no i can parse your sentence! :-)23:06
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infobotm-vo meant: Ahh, now i can parse your sentence! :-)23:06
qwerty12_N800Sorry, i type badly :/23:06
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m-vojust some quotes missing... :)23:07
rlinfatiHi, how i can download the wayfinder map on my computer to after copy to my n800 ???23:08
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m-vothe legal notice dialog actually is there for legal reasons, i don't feel confident enough to just put in a red-pill mode setting...23:08
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qwerty12_N800I can see your pov and i respect it. Ah well, I am thankfyul for it being open source. :)23:09
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m-vowe can think about putting up the warning only once when activating uncertified repositories.23:11
m-volet me put an entry into the FUTURE file...23:11
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m-voqwerty12_N800, you could hack the 'domain' configuration and make all repositories 'certified', but that only works for signed repos.23:16
m-vomaemo Extras is not signed...23:16
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qwerty12_N800m-vo, i've already patched the application manager source not to show the message but then i have resort to apt pinning to make sure it doesn't show up in the update list. in the age and dawn of ssu, i don't wish to do that :)23:18
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m-voqwerty12_N800, wanna try out the 'unlocked' version of the OS? :)  That should allow you to install your own version of the AM.23:21
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m-voapt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked23:21
qwerty12_N800m-vo, I was for a while, remember the guy called faheem on your blog? :)23:22
m-voYeah, that was you?23:22
qwerty12_N800Yeah :)23:22
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m-voSo, why do you need to pin apt-get?23:23
eichido you all use the dual-boot "option" ?23:23
t_s_oi just checked the update list in red pill mode, and i see a operating system package. hands off?23:23
qwerty12_N800m-vo,because I reflashed to the final release of diablo :)23:23
m-vot_s_o, it's not very useful right now, but should be harmless...23:24
m-voRight, and your hacked version of hildon-application-manager has the same version as the official one?23:25
practisevoodooso how are you supposed to get this new release thingie?23:28
m-voand apt-get wants to re-install the one from the repo because it is different?23:28
milhouseanyone successfully installed syslogd on a diablo device?23:28
qwerty12_N800m-vo, yes :)23:28
milhouselooks like anything i try to install from is knackered23:28
milhouseunmet dependencies23:29
m-voso the clean thing is to give yours a higher version, but the osso-software-version-rx34 doesn't allow it, right?23:29
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qwerty12_N800milhouse, i'm using a version that nokia appear to distribute internally fine on diablo ;)23:29
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milhousethis is all i get:
penguinb8   (Android Anyone??)  (thank Qwerty12)23:30
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milhousethe only repositories i have are Extras (chinook version) and the diablo tools23:31
milhousemaybe i should disable chinook extras...23:31
milhousedisabling chinook extras made no difference23:33
milhousebe interesting to see if anyone else has a problem, then i'll report it23:33
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m-voqwerty12_N800, what i am getting at is that you should install the osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked package.23:36
qwerty12_N800m-vo, will do, thank you23:37
m-voThat will not touch any other package, but will allow the installation of higher versions of OS packages.23:37
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sp3000milhouse: I've seen that mentioned somewhere23:50
milhousegot a link before I fire off an email to integration at :)23:50
milhousejust checked the mailing lists, didn't see anything obvious23:50
sp3000yeah, I thought m-vo commented on it23:51
milhousegood man - thanks23:51
sp3000so basically "just do as it says"23:52
milhousetried -f still no joy23:52
milhousestill reading though :)23:52
m-vomilhouse, do "apt-get -f install" exactly, with no packages after the "install"23:54
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m-voapt-get ought to have a "apt-get fix" command instead.23:54
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milhouseah - thanks m-vo23:54
milhousei was a bit slow there :)23:55
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sp3000yeah, -f install rather sounds like a --force23:55
sp3000I'll vote for apt-get unfuck though23:56
m-voapt-get stop-whining-and-pull-yourself-together-willya23:57
qwerty12_N800but i want me some apt-get fuck ;) :P23:57
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