| lbt | lcuk: OK - I give up... | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | lol | 00:03 |
| lbt | want to have a look? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | yer gfi | 00:03 |
| lbt | I'll send you a tar file if you like... easier | 00:03 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail | 00:03 |
| lcuk | whichever you like | 00:03 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: yeah, i saw your ping | 00:04 |
| lbt | hmm - includes .o etc | 00:04 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: there was half a plan to deal w/ it | 00:08 |
| timelyx | i suppose you could just rely on the version field for email clients | 00:09 |
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| aquatix | Navi: sorry, ran out | 00:13 |
| aquatix | i was looking for things like iwlist and iwconfig | 00:13 |
| Toba_ | ok I asked this before | 00:13 |
| Toba_ | but what is the maximum size mini/micro sdhc card that can be used in an n810 | 00:13 |
| Toba_ | the manual says 8 but I heard someone say that 16 worked | 00:14 |
| Toba_ | I think | 00:14 |
| aquatix | the largest one available :) | 00:14 |
| Toba_ | but that may have been in an n800 | 00:14 |
| aquatix | i should work, but you better try | 00:14 |
| aquatix | *it | 00:14 |
| lcuk | lbt, ive also got a c++ issue, but im not sure how to ask the question. perhaps im trying to do something wrong but once i get your mail address ill show you what i mean | 00:16 |
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| aquatix | meh, gotta run | 00:16 |
| aquatix | bye all | 00:16 |
| lcuk | cy aquatix | 00:16 |
| lbt | should have arrived by now (nb change frog to state in the constructor - experiment gone wrong) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | sent to .com? | 00:17 |
| lbt | yes | 00:17 |
| lcuk | hmmm, still 134 unread | 00:18 |
| lbt | There is a bug somewhere. repeated consecutive calls to get/set work... | 00:19 |
| lcuk | and a hotmail test just came through | 00:19 |
| lbt | if gtkmm carries on running it seems to overwrite | 00:19 |
| lbt | lemme see... | 00:19 |
| lcuk | when i said "sent to .com" i sent via hotmail and its in already | 00:19 |
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| lbt | no bounces here... <sigh> try again... | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | g is normally fastest at getting stuff | 00:22 |
| lcuk | but it has silly rules about contents of zips | 00:22 |
| lbt | trying, cc'ing my gmail acc | 00:23 |
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| lbt | in my gmail... | 00:24 |
| lcuk | and mine now | 00:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:24 |
| lbt | this is the smaller, clean version | 00:24 |
| lbt | so needs buildtools... | 00:25 |
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| lbt | only 6 files though!! | 00:25 |
| kkrusty | I really would appreciate if someone told me whether breakpoints/debugging works under ESBox/eclipse | 00:26 |
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| zap | ahem | 00:40 |
| zap | openssh does not install on diablo | 00:40 |
| zap | how people lives without it? | 00:40 |
| crashanddie_ | hmm? | 00:40 |
| zap | the deb files from garage won't install | 00:40 |
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| zap | I guess because of different openssh libs | 00:41 |
| timelyx | ? | 00:41 |
| timelyx | what's wrong w/ the ones from chinook? | 00:41 |
| crashanddie_ | zap, works nice here | 00:41 |
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| zap | ah damnit | 00:41 |
| zap | the web site contains pointers to bora repo | 00:42 |
| timelyx | Jaffa / X-Fade: please zap jamie 3291/1 | 00:42 |
| crashanddie_ | just use apt-get ? | 00:42 |
| lbt | is ddd available for scratchbox? | 00:42 |
| lbt | it says Package ddd is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 00:43 |
| timelyx | lbt: why not use gdbserver? | 00:43 |
| timelyx | then you can use host ddd | 00:43 |
| zap | crashanddie_: it's not in any of the installed repos | 00:43 |
| lbt | ta - will google... | 00:43 |
| zap | and I have a lot of them | 00:43 |
| timelyx | (use gdb6.8 or newer on both sides) | 00:43 |
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| Jaffa | timelyx: does seem like a little bit AOLish to get some karma :) | 00:43 |
| crashanddie_ | zap, it's in maemo extras | 00:44 |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: karma modifier *= 0; | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: commenting != karma++ ? | 00:44 |
| timelyx | penalty for: driving engineers crazy | 00:44 |
| timelyx | if it is, i will personally rewrite the karma alg :) | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | :) | 00:44 |
| zap | it's in maemo extras *for* chinook | 00:45 |
| * Jaffa beds. More auto-builder fun can wait 'til tomorrow. | 00:45 | |
| crashanddie_ | zap, chinook apps work fine for diablo | 00:45 |
| lcuk | lbt, ive just stripped out your state function and its working as expected over here | 00:45 |
| timelyx | http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/06/29/1745256.shtml | 00:45 |
| zap | crashanddie_: except a few of them, and openssh seems one of them | 00:46 |
| zap | crashanddie_: are you running diablo? | 00:46 |
| crashanddie_ | zap, please stop spilling shit, I'm running diablo, and openssh works fine | 00:46 |
| lbt | lcuk: hmm - I'm building in a scratchbox - but this isn't weird stuff | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | and i cant see any issues with the code: building it would be a bit diff though without an actual makefile, i cant get autotools on device | 00:47 |
| lbt | I think it's an interaction with something else in gtkmm | 00:47 |
| lbt | I do do some sig_bind stuff | 00:47 |
| lbt | which is essentially typecasting function arg lists - which could be icky | 00:48 |
| lbt | repeated 'clean' calls work just fine... | 00:48 |
| lbt | over in MainWindow.cc | 00:48 |
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| lbt | I call: | 00:48 |
| lbt | l.set_state(0); | 00:49 |
| lbt | l.set_state(1); | 00:49 |
| lbt | l.set_state(2); | 00:49 |
| lbt | l.set_state(s); | 00:49 |
| lbt | l.set_state(2); | 00:49 |
| lbt | l.set_state(s); | 00:49 |
| lbt | } | 00:49 |
| lbt | and it works as expected | 00:49 |
| lcuk | yer i saw, move to a pm though, people wont like flood ;) | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, watch out not to flood though | 00:49 |
| zap | aha | 00:49 |
| lbt | would i ? :D | 00:49 |
| zap | with apt-get it pulled openssh-0.9.7 too | 00:49 |
| lbt | I just type fast | 00:49 |
| crashanddie_ | zap, does it work? | 00:49 |
| zap | yep | 00:50 |
| lbt | anyhow, the next call to set_state shows a new value | 00:50 |
| crashanddie_ | zap, sweet :) | 00:50 |
| zap | I was clicking on openssh-common deb file from browser | 00:50 |
| mpeterson | I can't seem to find the package that has mkfs.ext2 since I've upgraded to diablo, can anyone help me please? | 00:50 |
| lbt | so I think the mem's being overwritten somewhere... | 00:50 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt give me a few minutes, I'll review your code | 00:51 |
| lbt | crashanddie_: I think it's the whole app that's the problem, not the class (99% sure) | 00:52 |
| lbt | crashanddie_: but yes please ! :) | 00:53 |
| crashanddie_ | ok :) ten minutes sound good? | 00:53 |
| lbt | fine - would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? | 00:54 |
| lcuk | hmm lbt, i think you are right, the basic functions working (both tested and confirmed) | 00:54 |
| lcuk | its when you get into making the callbacks and using mem_fun | 00:54 |
| lbt | when I call it from a menu callback - yes | 00:54 |
| lbt | yes | 00:54 |
| lcuk | i think anyway | 00:55 |
| lcuk | being a n00b and all.. | 00:55 |
| lbt | does that sigc::bind and sigc::mem_fun look right to you? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | no, it all looks illogical but thats cos i know nothing about gtk | 00:55 |
| lbt | I only started learning this stuff on friday.... it's nice at first but the stl and some of the gtkmm stuff is a tad hairy... | 00:56 |
| crashanddie_ | you using maemomm or gtkmm ? | 00:56 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:56 |
| lcuk | :D its fun being on the bleeding edge | 00:56 |
| lbt | I'm compiling in sbox | 00:57 |
| lbt | so I guess maemomm | 00:57 |
| lcuk | lbt, crashanddie_ is a ++ old hand | 00:57 |
| lbt | ah... | 00:57 |
| lcuk | im goin havin a bath | 00:57 |
| lcuk | have fun | 00:57 |
| lbt | thanks for the help | 00:57 |
| lbt | and sanity check :) | 00:57 |
| lbt | l8r | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, maemomm is in fact gtkmm ported to the maemo platform, so it includes bindings for this platform | 00:58 |
| lbt | yep - maemomm then | 00:58 |
| lbt | it's a full, nice, working maemo app | 00:58 |
| crashanddie_ | but they are separate :P | 00:59 |
| lbt | I've done a quick armel build and copied the binary to my tablet and it's good | 00:59 |
| lbt | all the docs are gtkmm | 00:59 |
| lbt | and I got caught by Glib::ustring::compose not being in maemomm | 00:59 |
| lbt | crashanddie_: would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? | 01:01 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah | 01:02 |
| crashanddie_ | but gimme a sec, when you see another crashanddie connect, send me thr link | 01:02 |
| crashanddie_ | this is my nit | 01:02 |
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| lbt | let me know when it gets there... | 01:10 |
| zap | ah, so cool, you can upload and boot a kernel onto n810 without flashhing it... | 01:12 |
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| Toba_ | nice | 01:13 |
| * Toba_ did not know that | 01:13 | |
| Toba_ | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220295 < this looks to be the biggest thing you can get for an n810 right now... | 01:13 |
| Toba_ | nothing else in minisd/microsd form factor is as big | 01:13 |
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| Toba_ | can't find the mini or micro sdhc in anything bigger than an 8 | 01:13 |
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| zap | there aren't any | 01:14 |
| Toba_ | yeah, I didn't think so | 01:14 |
| Toba_ | sandisk is supposedly coming out with them this month, but this month is almost over and I don't see 'em | 01:15 |
| zap | a cool yet unnoticed yet feature of Diablo is that it registers a hostname with DHCP server | 01:15 |
| Toba_ | that's pretty cool | 01:15 |
| zap | i had to patch chinook for that | 01:15 |
| zap | and not I don't. Yes thats cool :) | 01:15 |
| lbt | the gdbserver idea isn't quite working - I can connect - but any attempt to run gives a shared object file problem | 01:16 |
| lbt | gdb in the scratchbox works fine | 01:16 |
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| lbt | I guess it's because my host doesn't have libhildonmm so installed... | 01:17 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, commands to execute, I'm not used to automake | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | ? | 01:22 |
| lbt | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 01:23 |
| lbt | it's the maemopad example IIRC | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | ./configure: line 1259: syntax error near unexpected token `shopper,' | 01:23 |
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| lbt | are you in a scratchbox? | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 01:24 |
| lbt | ah - have you done apt-get install intltool | 01:25 |
| lbt | it needs a later version than std | 01:25 |
| lbt | (don't ask me why...) | 01:25 |
| lbt | I mainly just followed the tutorial... | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | same error | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | I get a syntax error in ./configure | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shitstorm of stupidity on itT . . . fun | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, mostly why I'm not that active on it | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I remember when itT was cool and useful. . . . | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those days are long gone. | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | I'm having the feeling all online communities have those passes | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, does your automake work ? | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the guys that ask about the Chinook/Diablo Extras error and the answer is on every page for 10 pages back. . . . | 01:27 |
| lbt | all the way to a shopper file | 01:27 |
| lbt | doesn't do the .po stuff yet | 01:27 |
| lbt | sent you a new tarball | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | lbt, if so, open up the configure file, and check the line 1259 | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | oh, ok | 01:28 |
| lbt | the tarball is post-autoconfig but then make clean | 01:28 |
| lbt | target is x86 | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | why would you want to work with target x86 ? | 01:28 |
| lbt | scratcbox/xephyr? | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | ble | 01:29 |
| lbt | it's easy for me - just works :) | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | yeah, sure | 01:29 |
| lbt | big monitors... very big ;) | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | didn't get any new tarball | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | brb, gotta get some nicotine in my lungs (and probably some other shit too) | 01:31 |
| lbt | ok | 01:32 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, still no new email | 01:33 |
| lbt | just resent and cc'ed my gmail account | 01:34 |
| shackan | is there any 'fake gps' system for os2008 which uses wifi location? | 01:34 |
| lbt | I guess it's too big (500k) | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | gmail accepts up to 15M | 01:34 |
| lbt | 300k | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | got it | 01:34 |
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| lbt | good | 01:35 |
| lbt | (I've not!!) | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | ok, this one works | 01:36 |
| lbt | cool | 01:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, i got the bigger one after the smaller one | 01:36 |
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| lbt | lcuk: you clean now? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | yes thx | 01:37 |
| lbt | that's what make clean does when you aim it wrong... | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | oh what the... | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | No package 'libossoemailinterface' found | 01:39 |
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| lbt | fakeroot apt-get install libhildonmm-dev libhildon-fmmm-dev ??? | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | done | 01:40 |
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| lbt | in gdb how do I set a watchpoint on a C++ private variable? | 01:44 |
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| lbt | no ddd so it's a bit of a pain :( | 01:45 |
| Atarii | shackan look into triangulation, specifically the skyhook project | 01:45 |
| Atarii | heres a link to get you started http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/02/19/wi_fi_triangulation | 01:45 |
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| lbt | but I did a breakpoint just aftet the class is instantiated and then tried to watch the class.var | 01:45 |
| lbt | but it doesn't break... | 01:46 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, I can't build it, no matter if I'm under x86 or armel, still that libossoemailinterface problem | 01:48 |
| lbt | hmm - OK, let me look here... | 01:48 |
| lbt | can you remove that -l from the Makefile? | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | file:line ? | 01:51 |
| lbt | toplevel Makefile :100 | 01:51 |
| lbt | HILDON_LIBS | 01:51 |
| skibur | is xfce on the n800 ok? | 01:52 |
| skibur | anybody have that? | 01:52 |
| lbt | yep | 01:52 |
| lbt | still works without that -lossoemailli...... | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | I don't have a file shopper/Makefile | 01:53 |
| lbt | in the ./ directory (below src?) | 01:53 |
| lbt | did I miss it somehow in the tar? | 01:54 |
| lbt | nope - it's there AFAICS... | 01:54 |
| lbt | -rw-rw-r-- david/greaves 25530 2008-06-29 22:00:04 Makefile | 01:54 |
| lbt | did I send the wrong tar? | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | lbt, ok, give me a path | 01:55 |
| lbt | ./Makefile | 01:55 |
| lbt | :D | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | that's not a path | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/sources/shopper] > ls Makefile | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | ls: Makefile: No such file or directory | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | ~/sources/shopper/src] > ls Makefile | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | ls: Makefile: No such file or directory | 01:56 |
| lbt | I beleive ypu :) | 01:56 |
| lbt | did I send the wrong tar? | 01:56 |
| lbt | ... | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | I dunno | 01:56 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d32d713b9 | 01:57 |
| lbt | is what I meant to send... | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | looks kinda the same, only I don't have the Makefile | 01:59 |
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| crashanddie | I'm starting to wonder why people insist on using complex building tools during development, when obviously, it causes more issues than anything else | 02:02 |
| lbt | cause sorting the packaging out as you go is easier than dealing with a complex mess at the end? | 02:02 |
| lbt | It's not helping though | 02:03 |
| lbt | can you just do g++ `pkg ????` | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | give me a command line, I'll execute it | 02:04 |
| lbt | ok - lemme see | 02:04 |
| lbt | i486-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I. -DMAEMO_CHANGES -I/usr/include/hildonmm -I/usr/lib/hildonmm/include -I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gtkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/hildon-1 -I/usr/include/glibmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/glibmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/gdkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gdkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/pangomm-1.4 -I/usr/include/atkmm-1.6 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include | 02:07 |
| lbt | -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/cairomm-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fmmm -I/usr/lib/hildon-fmmm/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm-2 -g -O2 -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" \ | 02:07 |
| lbt | -c -o main.o `test -f 'main.cc' || echo './'`main.cc; | 02:07 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, main.cc:124: fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/main.Tpo: No such file or directory | 02:09 |
| lbt | here's a pastebin of my make: http://pastebin.com/d22f49380 | 02:09 |
| lbt | OK - never mind | 02:09 |
| lbt | the whole idea of following the tutorial was to do it "the right way" | 02:10 |
| lbt | but clearly that's not happening | 02:10 |
| jott | lbt: if you want ddd, i build packages for chinook some time ago: http://helicoid.de/maemo/ | 02:10 |
| lbt | I appreciate the effort you've put in though - thanks :) | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | sorry I couldn't be of more help | 02:11 |
| lbt | jott: thanks - that would be good - I'd started to do it through gdb but that hurts! | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | well, i'll go bughunting again | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | cheers | 02:11 |
| lbt | crashanddie not at all ... | 02:11 |
| lbt | cheers | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3345 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 duplicate? :D | 02:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know how often the repository updates take place in the background? | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | (in Diablo) | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, should be easy to check with some apt sniffing | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | nothing, I'm sure, you can't handle | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it's easier for somebody who already knows to tell me. :P | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | but I'd guess it's once every 24 hours, at most | 02:49 |
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| Tenkawa | wouldnt it just use a timed check only when app manager is run | 02:50 |
| Tenkawa | why would there necessarily be a cron/at job? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Update notifications | 02:50 |
| Tenkawa | that would save a lot of unneeded bandwidth | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | repo update is really not a lot of bandwidth | 02:51 |
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| Tenkawa | GeneralAntilles: yeah but is maemo designed to tell you on the fly if there are updates? | 02:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There wouldn't be much point in having update notifications if it didn't check automatically. | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo is | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | Tenkawa, that's one of the Diablo features... :/ | 02:51 |
| Tenkawa | yeah but that could get chatty | 02:51 |
| Tenkawa | just open up the image and see if theres a cron/at job | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | No cron | 02:52 |
| Tenkawa | that would be the likely mechanism | 02:52 |
| Tenkawa | or possibly system-monitpr | 02:52 |
| Tenkawa | er monitor | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be alarmd if anything. | 02:52 |
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| crashanddie | anyway | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 02:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean "chatty", anyway? | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | getting eaten by a whole army of mosquitoes out here | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just downloading a few zipped up text files. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mosquitos in France? | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | what, you think there's no insects here ? | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, but mosquitos. . . . | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | ?? | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind. :P | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | a mosquito is a mosquito right ? It's just something that sucks blood out of ya | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 02:57 |
| t_s_o | hmm, whats the check interval for updates in diablo? | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | DJEEZUS SCROLL UP | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol. . . . | 02:57 |
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| t_s_o | i could have sworn i looked and found nothing, sorry... | 02:58 |
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| t_s_o | bah, there are days/weeks/months where i should just have stayed in bed... | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, did you ever file a bug on those right/down-shifted dialogs? | 03:00 |
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| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: nope, as they seems to have gone away after i had a reboot | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw one once | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I can at least confirm that it happens. | 03:00 |
| t_s_o | and i have no clue what triggered it... | 03:00 |
| t_s_o | hell, im starting to wonder if i should reflash, and this time just forget about restoring from backup... | 03:01 |
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| t_s_o | one thing is sure tho, diablo seems to really have cleaned up the sensor issues on the screen :) | 03:05 |
| acydlord | hildon desktop keeps rebooting on me anytime i try to change any of the widgets though | 03:06 |
| t_s_o | hmm, dont think i have seen that happen | 03:07 |
| t_s_o | unless you happen to use omweather that is... | 03:07 |
| acydlord | yeah, its been doing it since i sinstalled it | 03:07 |
| acydlord | and i havent removed it yet | 03:07 |
| acydlord | and my bluetooth dun doesnt seem to want to work anymore | 03:07 |
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| t_s_o | dun works fine here | 03:08 |
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| t_s_o | love that update all button :D | 03:09 |
| Navi | Woo, update all | 03:10 |
| acydlord | yeah, dun isnt working for me | 03:10 |
| acydlord | right as my phone connects the n810 drops te connection and tells me failed | 03:10 |
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| t_s_o | crap crap crap, i think i just had gpe calendar eat all data in a sync :( | 03:13 |
| t_s_o | and it seems to have been interpreted as a approved change down the sync chain even... | 03:14 |
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| acydlord | suck | 03:15 |
| t_s_o | indeed. i figured i could restore the computers calender by resyncing with the one i had on the phone. but what happened was that the phone was emptied out as well :S | 03:15 |
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| acydlord | i just use 30boxes to do all my cal mess | 03:16 |
| t_s_o | heh | 03:16 |
| acydlord | luckily i dont have to worry about an offline calendar | 03:17 |
| t_s_o | not big of a loss tho, as only one entry was not already expired... | 03:18 |
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| t_s_o | im not surprised that it got deleted the way it was... | 03:18 |
| acydlord | thats good then | 03:18 |
| t_s_o | err, im just... | 03:18 |
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| acydlord | weird, python didnt show up in apt for me | 03:46 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Still here? | 03:47 |
| acydlord | ugh, bluetooth dun doesnt work worth a crap now | 03:49 |
| pupnik | oh by 5h3 2qy | 03:49 |
| pupnik | rudk 708 qll | 03:49 |
| pupnik | hey acydlord | 03:50 |
| pupnik | ever take acid | 03:50 |
| acydlord | yo | 03:50 |
| acydlord | not in a long time | 03:50 |
| pupnik | well then i want your opinion on something | 03:50 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 | 03:50 |
| pupnik | I AM ACYDLORD | 03:51 |
| acydlord | if i can get that to load, i'm working with sub dialup speeds at the moment | 03:51 |
| pupnik | yeah well, be less banal with your next nick | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | trippy | 03:52 |
| pupnik | it's a fucking good video | 03:52 |
| acydlord | thats not loading for me at the moment | 03:55 |
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| acydlord | my neighbors seriously need a better router | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Christmas is only 6 months away | 03:56 |
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| acydlord | looks like i'm gonna have to go back to chinook if i want to be able to use my evdo | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | DUN works fine here | 03:58 |
| acydlord | not for me for some reason | 03:58 |
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| acydlord | as soon as my phone says its connected the n810 says failed to connect | 04:01 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 | 04:02 |
| pupnik | watch | 04:02 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: please | 04:02 |
| pupnik | as a favor to me | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I did. :P | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's trippy | 04:02 |
| pupnik | there's things toi thingt abkout | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trippy isn't _bad_ | 04:03 |
| pupnik | i'm done man | 04:04 |
| pupnik | justg here to keep in touch with you and others | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Done? | 04:04 |
| pupnik | i'm so fucking done | 04:04 |
| pupnik | end. | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | With Nokia? With the tablets? | 04:05 |
| pupnik | no danger of bye bye | 04:05 |
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| |penguinbait| | thats something to think about alright :) | 04:20 |
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| PhosphoricX | I'm trying to use PyBluez to receive on a Bluetooth RFCOMM socket, but it just hangs until I close the connection. Anybody have a similar issue? | 04:51 |
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| terbo | one dead n800. | 07:09 |
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| johnx | terbo, what happened to it? | 07:09 |
| * terbo ? | 07:09 | |
| johnx | what made it a dead n800? | 07:09 |
| terbo | a flashing is whats happening to it .. besides that, nothing out of the ordinary ... | 07:09 |
| * terbo is puzzled. | 07:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it charged? | 07:10 |
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| terbo | well... i was preparing to flash diablo. cleared a card, was going to partition it in case i had some of the problems described. | 07:10 |
| johnx | ah, well you said "one dead n800"...I was just curious | 07:10 |
| terbo | first, it stopped reaching a full battery. just kept charging. thought .. | 07:11 |
| terbo | still booted. then i removed the swap, had /var/cache/apt linked to the card, removed that directory, still worked fine .. | 07:11 |
| terbo | then just as i go to partition the card, get a few white screens. now its just reboot-looping with no cards in it, cards in it, battery left out for a bit ... all (most) data backed up .. | 07:12 |
| terbo | now when i plug in the a/c instead of going 'charging' (this is the last 2008) it shows the battery icon, then proceeds to boot. loop . . | 07:13 |
| terbo | :D fun. | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not "dead" | 07:14 |
| terbo | deader than i should have :( | 07:14 |
| terbo | sometimes the blue bar goes about 1/5 the way then loops. | 07:14 |
| terbo | shrug, im going to flash it anyway .. | 07:14 |
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| terbo | GeneralAntilles: do you think there is some way to get it to boot? | 07:16 |
| johnx | were you booting from SD? | 07:16 |
| terbo | no. | 07:16 |
| dyrge | has anyone had any luck with an sis usb vga dongle connection? | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here, dyrge. | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The software isn't really up to speed yet, though. | 07:19 |
| dyrge | what external resolutions does it support? | 07:20 |
| dyrge | i found software not up to speed on more than one occasion | 07:22 |
| dyrge | not to say i do not enjoy the software that works well on the platform | 07:23 |
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| johnx | yup, that's a side effect of the "release early, release often" mentality | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | dyrge, it's very beta | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to invoke it from the commandline | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | most things up to 1280x1024 | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175561 | 07:26 |
| dyrge | cool and it requires you to be in host mode i would suspect? | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 07:26 |
| dyrge | thx | 07:26 |
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| * johnx makes a mental note to check out xpra (screen for X11) again later: http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra | 07:27 | |
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| dyrge | i read a few weeks ago about NOKIA wanting developers to write programs geared more toward enterprise and business | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | "NOKIA"? | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is that like "APPLE" and "MICROSOFT"? | 07:33 |
| dyrge | yes for the tablet market in general | 07:33 |
| m_mouser | He's asking about your use of all caps in Nokia, I think. | 07:35 |
| dyrge | sorry bout those | 07:35 |
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| Proteous | NOKIA ALWAYS NEEDS ALL CAPS | 07:36 |
| m_mouser | I don't mind. | 07:36 |
| Proteous | L3375P34K 700, N0K14!!! | 07:36 |
| Proteous | *cough* | 07:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts a cap in Proteous's ass. | 07:37 | |
| dyrge | i guess it just of interest to me since my employer purchased my N810 | 07:37 |
| m_mouser | Ah. I'd really like to see stronger and more full-featured PIM apps. | 07:39 |
| dyrge | it fills my heart with joy knowing i am using a linux based device to support windows | 07:40 |
| dyrge | pim tools and and open office would be great | 07:41 |
| dyrge | i deal with most of that through remote sessions but would love to have something running native | 07:43 |
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| m_mouser | I think it might choke on full-fledged OOo, but Abiword should be enough in the meantime before a mobile version is developed and ported. | 07:43 |
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| dyrge | anyone else use a tablet in their workplace? | 07:44 |
| dyrge | well a .doc viewer would be beautiful at the least | 07:45 |
| m_mouser | I do. | 07:45 |
| dyrge | i support about 500 pc's with mine | 07:46 |
| m_mouser | Wow. | 07:47 |
| dyrge | with help from remote sesions ofcourse | 07:47 |
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| dyrge | but if you have to support a windows machine VNC will be your best friend | 07:48 |
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| dyrge | it's pretty slick to show someone an entire windows desktop at 800 x 480 on my 810 | 07:49 |
| m_mouser | I'm just beginning to learn VNC & SSH, and have found the wiki tutorials very outdated | 07:50 |
| dyrge | do you have to work with windows much | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which wiki? | 07:50 |
| m_mouser | General: I'll check. | 07:51 |
| m_mouser | Dyrge: Quite a lot, unfortunately. | 07:52 |
| dyrge | most all i needed to know was on itt and the vnc part is painless | 07:52 |
| dyrge | tell you what i did | 07:52 |
| dyrge | to keep from messing up my main xp machine I created a Virtual PC with XP and VNC any other programs i need and size the desktop to 800x480 it's a perfect fit when you remote in | 07:53 |
| dyrge | if you have enough RAM and a spare xp Key to for the host machine | 07:54 |
| terbo | dyrge: what of rdesktop? | 07:55 |
| m_mouser | General: The SSH article I found was for the 770. | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | m_mouser, what wiki? ;) | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are 3 | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | old maemo.org | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and new maemo.org | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | itT pretty much sucks | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | old maemo.org is, well, old | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | new maemo.org is the future | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 07:55 |
| dyrge | nope just ultra VNC with the VNC viewer any VNC server will work | 07:55 |
| terbo | I liked rdesktop better, automatic scaling, but without a keyboard (n800) it wasn't as functional as vnc | 07:56 |
| dyrge | rdesktop doesn't work well on my network | 07:56 |
| terbo | oh, why not? | 07:56 |
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| dyrge | no idea i can use windows to remote but on the 810 it dies 90% of the time and if it logs it i do not know where | 07:57 |
| dyrge | at home on my workgroup rdesktop works everytime | 07:57 |
| m_mouser | General: it was probably from ITT. | 07:57 |
| dyrge | it maybe something with the domain | 07:58 |
| dyrge | but probably it's the wireless management device | 07:59 |
| dyrge | we packet shape and packet filter | 08:00 |
| terbo | ah. | 08:00 |
| dyrge | i try to connect on the windows rdesktop port | 08:01 |
| dyrge | it says "No Way" | 08:01 |
| terbo | so you create an 800x400 windows desktop to connect to? how was that again? | 08:01 |
| dyrge | download virtual pc 2007 | 08:02 |
| dyrge | it's free install xp | 08:02 |
| dyrge | then VNC server , resize it to 800 x 480 and it fits perfect | 08:03 |
| terbo | cool. | 08:03 |
| terbo | or use it as an alternate input device. ;) | 08:03 |
| dyrge | it's nice to use office on the go but the office button in 2007 doesn't work so consider 2003 | 08:04 |
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| dyrge | i wish i had the talent to port somethings over to OS2008 | 08:05 |
| terbo | like what? | 08:07 |
| dyrge | something that opens .doc would be great | 08:07 |
| doc|home | ! | 08:07 |
| * doc|home likes not being open :( | 08:07 | |
| Navi | luls | 08:08 |
| terbo | to edit or to view? | 08:08 |
| * Navi opens doc|home | 08:08 | |
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| * doc|home deads | 08:08 | |
| dyrge | well you know they all have to use windows so Office goes hand in hand | 08:09 |
| * terbo has had the problem once, and just converted to html, maybe even pdf | 08:09 | |
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| dyrge | that works but i get lots of attachments in my email | 08:10 |
| dyrge | guess what file format they use | 08:10 |
| dyrge | not RTF | 08:10 |
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| terbo | hmm... tiff? lol | 08:10 |
| dyrge | docx most of the time | 08:11 |
| GAN800 | google docs works fine | 08:11 |
| doc|home | wait a minute, isn't there an abiword port for maemo? | 08:12 |
| doc|home | that should open .docs | 08:12 |
| dyrge | i haven't found one | 08:12 |
| GAN800 | There is, but it's still in beta. | 08:12 |
| GAN800 | You're more than welcome to compile the svn. | 08:12 |
| dyrge | i am a hardware/software support guy i need to be friend a few people who can complie things..:) | 08:13 |
| dyrge | er compile | 08:14 |
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| * doc|home hasn't compiled for maemo :/ | 08:14 | |
| dyrge | i have had classes and such but have found i do not have a knack for code | 08:15 |
| dyrge | i can google it to death though | 08:15 |
| doc|home | hehe, it takes an idea and some time | 08:15 |
| doc|home | motivation to solve a problem is all you need :) | 08:16 |
| dyrge | i solve things out of necessity mostly and pure luck at times | 08:16 |
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| * terbo was going to flash diablo .. but got caught up into reading about scratchbox | 08:16 | |
| Navi | Gross | 08:17 |
| Navi | dockx | 08:17 |
| Navi | er | 08:17 |
| Navi | docx | 08:17 |
| dyrge | it breaks up into xml at least | 08:17 |
| dyrge | nothing like .doc | 08:17 |
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| dyrge | supporting windows pay the bills buys mygadgets and feeds my family so i can't complain | 08:18 |
| dyrge | but i am a true fan of open source at heart | 08:19 |
| dyrge | just don't tell my boss | 08:19 |
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| dyrge | well i need to go work awaits me tomorrow nice chatting with you all | 08:23 |
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| GAN800 | compiling is not coding. ;) | 08:24 |
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| terbo | make install -> small script. ;0 | 08:25 |
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| RST38h | boo, all | 08:26 |
| GAN800 | boo, you | 08:27 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Did you have browserd hang in memory eating 11-18MB AFTER you quit all MicroB windows? | 08:35 |
| GAN800 | Probably | 08:36 |
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| GAN800 | I'm guessing the changelog may reveal more. | 08:36 |
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| * RST38h has not found anything about this misfeature in the changelog | 08:43 | |
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| GAN800 | There is no changelog yet. | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Browserd *is* being described as the resident part of MicroB but it is not clear why it stays in memory when microb is not running | 08:44 |
| RST38h | There was a comment on what browserd does | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | I manages microb windows | 08:44 |
| GAN800 | s/I/It/ | 08:45 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: It manages microb windows | 08:45 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Not exactly. Let us see what dpkg --status says: | 08:48 |
| RST38h | Description: Network server exposing web engines functionaly using dbus-glib bindings | 08:48 |
| RST38h | This package contains server which allows its clients | 08:48 |
| RST38h | to create, manipulate and access functionality of | 08:48 |
| RST38h | different web engines. | 08:48 |
| RST38h | This enables creation of ultra-light-weight browser UIs | 08:48 |
| RST38h | which act as a mere 'shell' to a heavy-weight browser | 08:48 |
| RST38h | engines and therefore greatly less dependent on them. | 08:48 |
| RST38h | The server uses dbus-glib bindings for connectivity. | 08:48 |
| RST38h | Now I see why it would linger in memory: afaik there is no way to explicitely make dbus service close after use | 08:49 |
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| corevette | i know it's possible for my nokia 770 to control my pc via VNC, but can i do it vice versa? (control my 770 with a VNC?) | 09:02 |
| terbo | try synergy, if its control you want, though if you want to log in, there is an x11vnc server somewhere | 09:02 |
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| Proteous | geeks.com has a bluetooth german layout keyboard for $6.00. Bought one, gonna see if I can hack it into an old NES controller to play emulated games on my n810 | 09:32 |
| * terbo ? | 09:36 | |
| terbo | :) | 09:36 |
| * terbo wonders if 770's have u.fl connectors somewhere ... | 09:37 | |
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| terbo | german keyboard for $6USD? put into a nes controller? hope you document it if its successful ;) | 09:40 |
| Proteous | I'll take pictures | 09:41 |
| Proteous | well, we will see if it even works | 09:41 |
| Proteous | I don't know how big the board in the keyboard are yet | 09:41 |
| * terbo goes to hop on geeks | 09:41 | |
| * terbo is lovin the $60 16gb sdhc | 09:42 | |
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| terbo | wow, thats rad, and the only blue keyboard i see there | 09:45 |
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| gomiam | erm... ¿how can I transfer my old email to modest? I'm googling up and down and I can't find a simple way (and modest doesn't know about importing, it seems= | 10:02 |
| doc|home | gomiam: don't, use claws, modest = ass | 10:02 |
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| gomiam | doc|home: mmm... yet another mail client? | 10:03 |
| doc|home | gomiam: yep, better than modest though | 10:03 |
| gomiam | does claws have a way to store mails on the memory cards? | 10:03 |
| doc|home | gomiam: yep | 10:03 |
| doc|home | it has imap and pop | 10:03 |
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| gomiam | ok, I guess I'll have to take a look at it | 10:04 |
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| gomiam | fortunately, I have no critical mail on modest right now. | 10:07 |
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| macoute | gomiam: you shouldnt, ever :) | 10:11 |
| gomiam | XD | 10:11 |
| macoute | you should be using imap and have your mails backed up by your isp | 10:11 |
| macoute | or whoever provides you the email service | 10:11 |
| gomiam | I have had little problem with the standard Maemo mail client, since I use it mostly por emergency mail reading. | 10:12 |
| gomiam | that's why I didn't want to bother replacing modest with anything. | 10:12 |
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| terbo | god .... *still* downloading scratchbox | 10:49 |
| gomiam | terbo: don't worry. It will fail at 87% | 10:50 |
| gomiam | XD | 10:50 |
| terbo | :) thanks, I was just going to try some make install scripting, anyway | 10:51 |
| terbo | err, cooding | 10:51 |
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| keesj | terbo: install scripting? | 10:52 |
| * terbo make install joke | 10:53 | |
| terbo | no just gonna try some custom kernel stuff. | 10:53 |
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| terbo | specifically, I want to put my name in the version string. :D | 10:58 |
| keesj | you can pay me 5 euro to do that if you want | 11:00 |
| lbt | EXTRAVERSION = .4-david | 11:00 |
| lbt | l33t hack | 11:01 |
| terbo | err, how about you can pay me 10US to not laugh at you? :) | 11:02 |
| terbo | or we can just pay each other | 11:02 |
| keesj | that is ony 6 euro :p | 11:02 |
| terbo | dang non exporting economies. :/ | 11:02 |
| terbo | dang having only one usb port :/ | 11:02 |
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| lbt | or $300 | 11:02 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:24 |
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| keesj | hello hrw | 11:31 |
| hrw | who use adv-backlight applet? | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do. | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | Me too. | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, poke. | 11:34 |
| Navi | Me | 11:34 |
| hrw | one thing then... do you think that applet 'window' should close when tapped outside of it? | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course. | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to figure out exactly how Nokia makes their applets work, hrw? ;) | 11:37 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: ;) | 11:39 |
| hrw | ~curse 1Mbit connections | 11:40 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 1Mbit connections ! | 11:40 |
| aquatix | hrw: fwiw, i like pop-upped applets closing when tapping outside of it | 11:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, as it stands, adv-backlight is using something of a hack and the Nokia applets are using something more of a hack. | 11:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | The result being that the current implementation for adv-backlight kinda sucks and rm_you's been unable to figure out exactly how Nokia goes about making their applets work the way they do. | 11:41 |
| macoute | btw. does pidgin crash on your diablo quite frequently? | 11:41 |
| macoute | especially when accepting (or even having pending) buddy requests | 11:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can you poke somebody about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3341 and maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3342 ? Quim requested it. | 11:43 |
| macoute | hehe, seems like a way to lick new owners ass http://plazes.com/groups/1226 | 11:43 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: whole maemo.... hack on hack on hack | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I will ping Ferenc about it, when he is awake. | 11:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 11:45 |
| aquatix | anyone having problems with xmpp/jabber accounts in Collabora? | 11:45 |
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| RST38h | timeless: hey, are you there? | 12:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Are the sprint meetings likely to usually be around the end/beginning of the month? | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: See the schedule on the 100days page. | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, I see. Thanks. | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | We plan to make the channel moderated so the 'maemo team' can do their progress reports and after that open it up for questions. | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | I've put the logger in place, so I can publish the irclog later. | 12:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We need to do a dry-run on the Maemo-meeting procedure at some point. | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think we have enough of an agenda to bother trying do it before GUADEC. | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but Sprints and Maemo-meetings will be different. | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 12:14 |
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| X-Fade | Although we will use the same channel to keep it simple ;) | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Freenode's services change may make things harder. | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know if you can do a voice-by-default anymore. :\ | 12:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So it may come down to doing it through a bot or just manually. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | It seems I can easily voice everybody manually. | 12:17 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 12:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two things, the "Clone This Bug" link should probably be made editbugs-only. | 12:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and is #3313 really an enhancement? :P | 12:18 |
| andre___ | hmm, so you really think that these both are related? | 12:19 |
| keesj | can we learn the bot about bug numbers? | 12:19 |
| melmoth | X-Fade: Do you know if whoever is in charge of the autobuilder was able to have a look at the sword i386 empty package in the repo i mentionned last week ? | 12:19 |
| melmoth | X-Fade: or, better, do you know where should i open a formal bugzilla ? | 12:19 |
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| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, about "Clone this bug", can you file a bug against Website/Bugzilla? :-D | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will do. | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: A yes, I wanted to ask you to try to upload the -5 to the chinook autobuilder. So we can see if it is SDK related. | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, they both seem to stem from issues with saved connections. | 12:20 |
| melmoth | ok. Will try this out either this afternoon or tomorrow | 12:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody more familiar with icd should probably confirm that, but that's my suspicion. ;) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: And so we can really rule out packaging issues on your end. | 12:21 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, I will forward 3313 once I have an answer to my question other there. Thanks! | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, poke TimRiker about it. | 12:21 |
| melmoth | fair enough. I'll let you know what happen | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | melmoth: I'll be watching ;) | 12:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, done. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3350 | 12:25 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks. having bug reports is an easier way to let karsten do all the work instead of me ;-))) | 12:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now THAT sounds like a plan. :D | 12:27 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, btw, is bug 3289 a regression or has this always been like that? | 12:30 |
| andre___ | (maybe you've made some backups in the past and know, while i didn't do) | 12:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Regression | 12:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I poked Texrat about that one, so it went in through some sort of internal channel about a month ago. | 12:31 |
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| andre___ | ok, going to forward then | 12:32 |
| crashanddie_ | does anyone know where I could get info about libesd? | 12:32 |
| hrw | crashanddie_: on esound website? | 12:32 |
| crashanddie_ | it would seem esd is completely useless these days, no website, no support | 12:32 |
| hrw | I wonder when maemo will switch to pulseaudio | 12:32 |
| RST38h | what are the advantages? | 12:33 |
| hrw | RST38h: to say the true I have no idea - just see that other projects are going that way | 12:34 |
| crashanddie_ | lighter, better performance, better architecture, apps don't need to implement it, up to date | 12:34 |
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| RST38h | Will it provide /dev/dsp API? Please? | 12:35 |
| hrw | RST38h: you mean 'OSS api'? | 12:35 |
| RST38h | hrw: Well, the generic subset of it, anyway | 12:35 |
| hrw | I am not application developer so did not checked | 12:36 |
| crashanddie_ | pulseaudio is already backwards compatible with esd, OSS is yet another plugin | 12:36 |
| crashanddie_ | but. yeah, it can | 12:36 |
| RST38h | well, dev/dsp is actually a device not a library | 12:37 |
| RST38h | so supporting it as "yet another API" is nt trivial | 12:37 |
| hrw | and usually does not support more then one sound at time | 12:37 |
| hrw | but I do not know when my systems had /dev/dsp last time | 12:38 |
| RST38h | Actually, ALSA will support multiple clients | 12:38 |
| hrw | few years ago when I had es1371 card probably | 12:38 |
| macoute | which is the better calendar, gpe-cal or mcalendar? | 12:38 |
| RST38h | Dunno, it is still pretty standard. More standard than esound, anyway | 12:38 |
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| macoute | and how about syncing from outlook? | 12:39 |
| hrw | macoute: why not pimlico dates? | 12:39 |
| macoute | hrw: you have the free to point me to other, more correct directions as well :) | 12:39 |
| dneary | dedum... | 12:39 |
| macoute | hrw: youd say that is the best one? | 12:40 |
| hrw | macoute: no, I just added 3rd to the list | 12:40 |
| * dneary hates time pressure for presentations | 12:40 | |
| florian_ | good morning | 12:40 |
| dneary | I have 2 presentations to prepare today... one on accessibility in GNOME, and another on building bridges between projects | 12:40 |
| dneary | Morning Herr Boor, wie geht's? | 12:40 |
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| macoute | danke gut, und du? | 12:41 |
| macoute | entschuldigung, und Sie? :) | 12:41 |
| macoute | mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut :) | 12:41 |
| hrw | jak to dobrze gdy wszyscy sie rozumieją ;) | 12:41 |
| florian | dneary: Ganz gut... aber auch keine Langeweile :-) | 12:42 |
| macoute | hrw: so you dont have any suggestions regarding my calendar problem? Do you know about the sync from outlook? | 12:42 |
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| RST38h | Won | 12:42 |
| hrw | macoute: I do not use pim under os2008 | 12:42 |
| dneary | keine Langweile? | 12:42 |
| RST38h | 't sync to outlook | 12:42 |
| RST38h | May sync with Google Calendar. | 12:42 |
| dneary | Ich suche im Google Language Tools | 12:42 |
| macoute | RST38h: any of them wont? | 12:42 |
| RST38h | macoute: yep | 12:43 |
| florian | dneary: boredom iirc | 12:43 |
| dneary | ah | 12:44 |
| dneary | No boredom | 12:44 |
| dneary | macoute: Wir können dudichen. | 12:45 |
| macoute | dneary: dudichen? | 12:46 |
| dneary | I don't know if you say that in German | 12:46 |
| dneary | "tutoyer" in French | 12:46 |
| dneary | "call each other du instead of Sie" | 12:46 |
| macoute | dneary: ah, sinutella in finnish (sinä == you) | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | dneary, quite hard to express in english | 12:47 |
| macoute | Ich suchte Google für dudichen aber könnte nichts finden | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | please speak english | 12:48 |
| ccooke | macoute: but you *will* find hits for tutoyer | 12:49 |
| macoute | thats fine for me, considering my skills in germany :) | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | ok, what are you guys trying to find ? | 12:50 |
| ccooke | and for anyone curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-V_distinction | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | http://french.about.com/library/begin/bl_tuvsvous.htm | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/tutoyer.htm | 12:50 |
| macoute | crashanddie: i was actually looking for a calendar application for maemo, which could sync to outlook | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | so where the f did the whole tutoyer stuff come from ? | 12:51 |
| ccooke | macoute: if you find one, let me know! | 12:51 |
| hrw | macoute: speaking of mcalendar... I never saw it before but now after having a look I would not even try it on my tablet | 12:51 |
| macoute | ccooke: it seems that the syncing must be done via 3rd party application | 12:51 |
| macoute | hrw: really? | 12:52 |
| hrw | macoute: I just refuse to use maemo packages which are created in ugly style | 12:52 |
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| hrw | all those 'chmox +x /usr/bin/mcalendar' in post install scripts... | 12:54 |
| hrw | or using wrapper scripts in /usr/bin/ | 12:55 |
| hrw | or renaming files in post install scripts (ukmp) | 12:56 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:02 |
| hrw | hi simon | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. | 13:02 |
| lardman | hi Marcin | 13:02 |
| lardman | Anything exciting happen over the weekend? | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre___, something to put on your consideration-list is changing "IT OS" to "Maemo" for the OS field. | 13:03 |
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| andre___ | oh yeah. that one confused me too | 13:05 |
| andre___ | though we first have to define the maemo scope :-P | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, mostly clear enough for that, anyway, methinks. http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Definitions | 13:06 |
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| keesj | why can't I find the changes required to add extras as reposutory in the sdk | 13:34 |
| keesj | I am turing around and following links and wiki pages and in progress pages | 13:34 |
| keesj | following external links | 13:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody happen to have a matched set of icons that might work for "proposed", "accepted", "ongoing" and "completed" for a task banner? | 13:38 |
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| keesj | GeneralAntilles: sounds like workflow stuff | 13:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is what I need it for | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who turned off svg uploading on the wiki? :\ | 13:46 |
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| keesj | and who removed the Help in formatting | 13:56 |
| RST38h | GA: http://www.enhydra.org/images/twescreenshot.jpg | 13:56 |
| RST38h | GA: You can pic icons from there, it is open source afaik | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I guess it was never enabled, as it's disabled by default in a new mediawiki install. | 13:56 |
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| ustunozgur | Wouldn't it be more logical if "New Chat" brought up Online contacts as default rather than All contacts? | 13:58 |
| RST38h | GA: http://www.cuteflow.org | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, might use this set: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pictogram_voting_wait.svg | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're public domain | 14:02 |
| RST38h | nice | 14:03 |
| RST38h | the problem is to find the whole set in the same style though | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just need to make the checkmark green. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | See the Other versions field. | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's got a bunch of them | 14:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | I HAVE MY DEGREEEEEEEEEE | 14:03 |
| RST38h | yea, I see it, but are you sure that the color alone will be enough to denote state? | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | For Men? | 14:04 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: congrats | 14:04 |
| * RST38h is going to dig wikimedia a bit more | 14:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Proposed: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Accepted: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg | 14:04 |
| crashanddie_ | thanks | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ongoing: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Completed (in green): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg | 14:04 |
| RST38h | "Accepted" probably won't do | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie_ nice one! | 14:13 |
| aquatix | crashanddie_: congrats! | 14:13 |
| aquatix | which degree? :) | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I agree. | 14:13 |
| lcuk | hes just worked out how far from kevin bacon he is | 14:14 |
| RST38h | GA: How about finding icons along these lines: | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Proposed: arrow leading into an enclosure (bucket, box, etc) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Ongoing: same enclosure with a rotating (?) gear inside | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Accepted: like proposed but qithout question sign (proposed should have question sign) | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Completed: arrow leading out of the enclosure | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be easier just to make 'em | 14:17 |
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| andre___ | hmm... so can garage project maintainers disable the GForge bugtracker for their project? anybody knows whether this is easily possible? | 14:19 |
| macoute | inz: you have had some serious problems with your irssi today? | 14:19 |
| andre___ | (i'm wondering about modest) | 14:19 |
| macoute | inz: host keeps changing and you keep on connecting/disconnecting | 14:19 |
| inz | macoute, according to my status window, that was yesterday | 14:19 |
| macoute | inz: ah, thats true. 23:49 | 14:20 |
| macoute | for the last time | 14:20 |
| inz | macoute, somewhy irc.ipv6.freenode.net failed to resolve last night and I did not reconnect to freenode... | 14:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre___, why the hell are they tracking bugs there? :\ | 14:20 |
| inz | macoute, but indeed seems I dropped out of ircnet some 5-ish times | 14:22 |
| macoute | inz: yeah, i was actually talking about ircnet | 14:22 |
| macoute | you reconnecting here with another host just remembered me about the situation | 14:23 |
| inz | Jaffa, it is already scalable, but there's no real data sources | 14:23 |
| andre___ | GeneralAntilles, well. because it wasn't official part of the platform before diablo was released | 14:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but there's been a Bugzilla component for forever. | 14:25 |
| andre___ | oh, i didn't know that. now that makes it confusing | 14:27 |
| andre___ | i thought it was more recently | 14:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, the garage tracker for it needs to be closed down ASAP and migrated. | 14:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Earliest bugzilla bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 Earlist garage tracker bug: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1742&group_id=9&atid=109 | 14:30 |
| andre___ | haha, great... entropy... | 14:32 |
| andre___ | just preparing an email on that, also about changing the components names in maemo bugzilla, but first got to grab some breakfast :-) | 14:32 |
| macoute | btw. you do recommend claws over modest, right? | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the person. | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I personally use and very much like Modest. | 14:33 |
| macoute | is there a way to mark messages as read just by selecting it in modest? | 14:33 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: is it possible in Modest? Now I need to click it open, so it takes about 2-3 secs per message, just to mark it as read | 14:34 |
| macoute | (i know i can do it from menu as well, but thats about the same time. even a shortcut would be nice) | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a menu option, I believe | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall right now. | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah. | 14:34 |
| macoute | i read my emails in very various ways, so i often have messages unread, though i have read them somewhere else | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does Illustrator fail on these svgs? <_< | 14:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, crashing apache threads. | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | meh! its dinner time and my 810 is dead. the last i saw of it was last night it told me "unplug from mains to save power" i disconnected network and locked it :( | 15:00 |
| * lcuk goes back to the stoneage. | 15:01 | |
| lcuk | anyone got a pencil? | 15:01 |
| rm_you | no <_< | 15:01 |
| lcuk | you got the source code for a pencil? | 15:01 |
| rm_you | maybe | 15:01 |
| * rm_you looks around | 15:01 | |
| lcuk | :D heh | 15:01 |
| aquatix | apt-get source pencil | 15:01 |
| rm_you | just have the binarys for a Bic, too bad they're closed source <_< | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | but they are easy to disassemble | 15:02 |
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| aquatix | rm_you: nn | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | gnite rm | 15:03 |
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| aquatix | lcuk: blood and your n8x0 stylus? | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | aquatix, i dont think my stylus would break the skin. and i wouldnt get bloodstains off the metalic bezel on the 810, so it looks like i will be etching onto a cave wall or something | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | though, its a bit invonvenient to carry around a whole cave system. i would prefer my 810 battery to just last the distance | 15:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I cleaned this out a bit (still not great), might be worthwhile to coordinate the Extras stuff from here for now: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Consolidation_of_Extras | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I am planning to write more documentation too. I just have to find some time for it ;) | 15:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't kill yourself. :) | 15:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mediawiki-crap.png | 15:23 |
| keesj | :p | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, I'm just busy with ironing out issues in builder/promoter we haven't seen while testing. | 15:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is it me, or has Darius been medicated? | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, totally different person. | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol . . . | 15:39 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:39 |
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| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 | 15:46 |
| hrw | lovely maemo bugs.. | 15:46 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Wonderful | 15:55 |
| hrw | I also like 3315 bug | 15:55 |
| * RST38h is still unsure which one of Modest and the new MicroB is more broken | 15:55 | |
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| RST38h | Modest is more obvious of course. But MicroB bug seems to be more fundamental | 15:56 |
| crashanddie_ | I didn't have any problems... | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | crash: look at the process list | 15:56 |
| johnx | microb has a couple annoying bugs | 15:56 |
| hrw | ~curse lack of wget | 15:56 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, lack of wget ! | 15:56 |
| RST38h | You will see browserd process taking 15MB of your memory or so | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not convinced that browserd's memory usage is all that critical. | 15:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, how much of that will be released easily when needed? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Notice that it will stay there even after you quit all MicroB windows | 15:56 |
| wazd | lo all) | 15:57 |
| RST38h | GA: None | 15:57 |
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| johnx | hi wazd | 15:57 |
| RST38h | GA: As far as I can tell, Load applet shows actual memory taken by the process | 15:57 |
| RST38h | Won't be released unless you kill the process | 15:57 |
| crashanddie_ | Rst38h, isn't that because it keeps a rendered copy of past history in memory? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | crash: My guess is that it is because browserd is a dbus server and there is really no way to close dbus server once it is not needed | 15:58 |
| RST38h | So the actual problem is that memory-hungry web browser should NOT be made a resident server | 15:58 |
| timeless | inz: ping | 15:59 |
| crashanddie_ | Well I fail to see the disadvantages | 15:59 |
| crashanddie_ | the idea is good, it just needs some finetuning | 15:59 |
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| inz | timeless, pong | 15:59 |
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| johnx | I'm with RST38h on this one. There's no reason to have the browser engine running all the time on such a memory limited device | 16:00 |
| crashanddie_ | I mean, if you want to be memory efficient, the best thing to do would be to to regroup all recurrent stuff of multiple browsers into one single process | 16:00 |
| crashanddie_ | sure, it should be able to free the memory when not needed, but the idea is not fundamentally bad | 16:01 |
| aquatix | it also seems MicroB is a tad slower/less responsive since diablo | 16:01 |
| aquatix | but that might be subjective | 16:01 |
| crashanddie_ | I have quit the oposite feeling | 16:01 |
| crashanddie_ | placebo effect for both of us, prolly | 16:01 |
| aquatix | maybe i should reboot my tablet | 16:01 |
| aquatix | played too much with it :) | 16:02 |
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| johnx | at least since flashing diablo I haven't had the browser suck up all my memory...I ran into that a couple times in the "pre-release" diablo | 16:02 |
| aquatix | according to load applet's Processes list, hilden-desktop takes 14MB, which sounds like a cause too | 16:02 |
| aquatix | modest keeps crashing in the background with imap(s) account though :/ | 16:03 |
| johnx | but that should be including all shared libs, all statusbar applets and all desktop applets | 16:03 |
| aquatix | true | 16:03 |
| admin_ | hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? | 16:03 |
| aquatix | but i thought i remember it being somewhat less in chinook | 16:03 |
| aquatix | but my memory might be faulty ;) | 16:03 |
| timeless | RST38h: my understanding is that the browserd gets restarted between "Sessions" | 16:03 |
| timeless | so it doesn't actually retain all the memory you think it does | 16:04 |
| RST38h | timeless: well, it continues to linger after microb quits | 16:04 |
| timeless | no | 16:04 |
| timeless | you can't count | 16:04 |
| RST38h | timeless: Actually, there are two copies. One (2MB footprint) is always present | 16:04 |
| timeless | power your device off | 16:04 |
| timeless | right | 16:04 |
| timeless | there should be 1 copy always present | 16:04 |
| timeless | and another copy which gets restarted between sessions | 16:05 |
| timeless | check the pid | 16:05 |
| RST38h | The second one (11-18MB footprint) starts with microb and stays after I quit it | 16:05 |
| timeless | its pid should change between closing of the last window and some time t | 16:05 |
| aquatix | i don't have a browser window open, and have a 11MB browserd process | 16:05 |
| RST38h | timeless: The memory footprint numbers are from the load applet, they are not "potential" memory allocation | 16:05 |
| timeless | rst38h: please use htop in terminal | 16:05 |
| RST38h | timeless: See aquatix's comment | 16:05 |
| aquatix | (according to load applet's Processes list) | 16:05 |
| timeless | anything else is just stupid | 16:05 |
| * aquatix tries top | 16:05 | |
| RST38h | timeless: will do, as soon as I get home tonight | 16:05 |
| timeless | aquatix: yes, that's intentional | 16:05 |
| timeless | but it's not supposed to remember everything you had from the last session | 16:06 |
| timeless | it's supposed to be a new browser daemon for the next time | 16:06 |
| RST38h | ok, so the second browserd lingering is intentional? | 16:06 |
| timeless | so that the browser starts quikcly | 16:06 |
| aquatix | top says 67364 virtual size | 16:06 |
| RST38h | all right. and the footprint may be reported wrongly? | 16:06 |
| timeless | rst38h: as long as the pid doesn't match the pid you had for your first instance | 16:06 |
| aquatix | 11MB? | 16:06 |
| timeless | aquatix: 11mb seems right | 16:06 |
| aquatix | hm | 16:06 |
| timeless | virtual size is garbage | 16:06 |
| timeless | it's all the .so files | 16:07 |
| aquatix | true | 16:07 |
| RST38h | timeless: sure about it? | 16:07 |
| timeless | if you quote vs to me again, i'll never talk to you again | 16:07 |
| timeless | ok? :)} | 16:07 |
| admin_ | hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? | 16:07 |
| aquatix | 53% mem top says | 16:07 |
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| RST38h | What is vs? | 16:07 |
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| timeless | aquatix: from top, what interests me is the pid | 16:07 |
| aquatix | 7378 | 16:07 |
| RST38h | oh virtual size | 16:07 |
| timeless | as long as it doesn't match the pid from your previous browsing session, it's working as designed | 16:07 |
| aquatix | ppid is 1324 | 16:08 |
| johnx | admin_, I have no idea about the 770, but there is a way to do it on the n800 | 16:08 |
| timeless | start browser, check pid, quit browser, wait, check pid | 16:08 |
| aquatix | ah | 16:08 |
| timeless | ppid = parent pid = useless | 16:08 |
| aquatix | check | 16:08 |
| hrw | admin_: recompile kernel with other CMDLINE | 16:08 |
| * aquatix tries with new browser window | 16:08 | |
| johnx | admin_, on the n8x0 at least you also need a kernel or module with fbcon support as the default kernel doesn't have it | 16:08 |
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| aquatix | now 1324 (31.8% mem) and 7378 (74.6% mem); after closing it's 7536 (53% mem), so it opens a new process indeed | 16:10 |
| aquatix | still, i think it's much memory | 16:10 |
| admin_ | ok johnx | 16:10 |
| aquatix | and still not opening really fast | 16:10 |
| admin_ | hrw: have you done that before? | 16:10 |
| * aquatix is getting some coffee | 16:10 | |
| aquatix | bbiab | 16:10 |
| crashanddie_ | btw, anyone tried to interface with esd in the past ? | 16:10 |
| johnx | aquatix, if that is from top it is a *LIE* | 16:10 |
| wazd | Anyone going to Berlin in september?) | 16:12 |
| macoute | whats there then? | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | OSiM | 16:13 |
| hrw | admin_: Poky kernels for 770 and n8x0 are not quiet | 16:13 |
| macoute | ah ok | 16:13 |
| wazd | OSiM | 16:13 |
| hrw | wazd: I will probably attend | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | 16:14 |
| wazd | I'm really thinking of) | 16:14 |
| timeless | aquatix: anyway, if it's opening a new processs, it's working as designed | 16:14 |
| timeless | and the only number that matters is htop's private | 16:14 |
| timeless | i don't care about any other measurement | 16:14 |
| timeless | clear? :) | 16:15 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Could you run htop? | 16:15 |
| admin_ | hrw: what's a Poky kernel | 16:15 |
| * RST38h can't get to his tablet to test right now | 16:15 | |
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| johnx | admin_, a kernel from "Poky Linux" | 16:16 |
| admin_ | is there something that can be done to /mnt/initfs/linuxrc? | 16:16 |
| * johnx runs htop | 16:16 | |
| admin_ | ok | 16:16 |
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| johnx | oh, well that's exciting. modest has stuck open with 93% CPU usage | 16:17 |
| timeless | nice | 16:17 |
| johnx | no wonder my battery power went fast today :| | 16:17 |
| admin_ | is anyone using poky kernel? | 16:17 |
| timeless | might i suggest browser+gmail? :) | 16:17 |
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| johnx | timeless, the problem is I really *like* modest | 16:18 |
| timeless | indeed, that clearly is a problem :) | 16:18 |
| johnx | what column should I look at in htop? | 16:19 |
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| macoute | johnx: hmm, wonder if i have the same problem :/ | 16:20 |
| macoute | timeless: browser+gmail is kinda slow | 16:20 |
| johnx | painfully slow | 16:20 |
| macoute | plus it doesnt support offline mails | 16:20 |
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| macoute | so its generally useless, though as a web ui it is brilliant | 16:20 |
| johnx | I guess there is a gmail notifier that I could use, and tell modest to stop checking via imap | 16:20 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am actually getting 300+% from Modest after a while | 16:20 |
| macoute | so should i move to claws? :P | 16:21 |
| timeless | macoute: which gmail? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: Usually does it after crashing, so you do not really see it. In the morning, I can easily detect it - the tablet is WARM | 16:21 |
| timeless | macoute: fwiw, there's probably a google gears for maemo somewhere | 16:21 |
| timeless | w/ that, offline mail should work :) | 16:21 |
| johnx | 300% CPU time? | 16:21 |
| johnx | riiiight | 16:21 |
| RST38h | johnx: yep | 16:21 |
| timeless | macoute: https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 | 16:22 |
| timeless | which do you use? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | timeless: GMail is a definite answer but to me this situation has now taken a political turn, of a kind | 16:22 |
| timeless | (there's also an iphone ui, but i don't know the ui) | 16:22 |
| timeless | rst38h: i'm a browser dev | 16:22 |
| RST38h | timeless: I know, not complaining about you :) | 16:23 |
| timeless | i'm going to advocate for the browser in the presence of inferrior alternatives :) | 16:23 |
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| johnx | timeless, :P | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | timeless: But it is shame on Nokia for not being able to provide a decent email client | 16:23 |
| johnx | anyways, what column should I look at in htop to get a sense for browserd's real memory usage? | 16:23 |
| RST38h | They call it an *internet* tablet! | 16:23 |
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| timeless | rst38h: the internet in your hand comes from the web browser :) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | timeless <-- sneaky =) | 16:24 |
| timeless | that's why i'm working on it :) | 16:24 |
| johnx | RST38h, at least it's open source for once. Maybe I'll try running it in strace | 16:24 |
| timeless | johnx: strace isn't useful | 16:24 |
| timeless | and doesn't need things to be open source | 16:24 |
| timeless | valgrind and friends take advantage of open source | 16:24 |
| johnx | those were two different thoughts | 16:24 |
| timeless | oh | 16:24 |
| timeless | ok :). | 16:25 |
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| timeless | anyway, um... dunno, ask sp3000 which column to use :) | 16:25 |
| johnx | if I appear to have made two sentences that make sense together...it's just a coincidence | 16:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: I dont give a damn whether it is open source or not | 16:25 |
| timeless | i think my device will probably speak russian to me if i asked today | 16:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: It has to work first. Being open source is optional. | 16:25 |
| johnx | well if it's open source, theoretically someone can fix it if they care enough. | 16:26 |
| RST38h | äÞ, timeless, ÍÀÚÃÞÐÅÊÝÌÍ | 16:26 |
| timeless | rst38h: i didn't say my irc client was utf8 aware | 16:26 |
| timeless | or that i spoke russian (neither of which are true) | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:26 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Hi there | 16:26 |
| RST38h | timeless: No, you just said that your device would speak Russian to you | 16:26 |
| dneary | timeless: Thanks for your feedback | 16:26 |
| admin_ | hey, I just 'installed' poky, but I turn the n770 on, and I just get the NOKIA blue letters on white, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere | 16:27 |
| timeless | correct, and it did, for about 2minns | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, dneary. | 16:27 |
| timeless | dneary: when do we see the results? :) | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't look like utf-8 russian to me | 16:27 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: The wiki slowness thing... | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . makes me want to die. | 16:27 |
| timeless | heh | 16:27 |
| dneary | I think it might in part be because MediaWiki's installed on the same box as Midgard | 16:27 |
| timeless | heh | 16:27 |
| dneary | They may be competing for resources | 16:27 |
| timeless | oh, i could look at that! | 16:27 |
| RST38h | It's probably cp1251, I do not really know as it is the first time I type cyrillics in this terminal | 16:27 |
| dneary | timeless: Hmmm | 16:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives mediawiki a howitzer. | 16:27 | |
| dneary | Tricky issue | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I know for sure that that is the reason.. | 16:27 |
| admin_ | oh yay it booted | 16:28 |
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| dneary | Maybe never, in the form you saw it | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the timeframe on those server upgrades? :( | 16:28 |
| timeless | top - 16:28:11 up 91 days, 10:47, 2 users, load average: 0.23, 0.31, 0.32 | 16:28 |
| timeless | Tasks: 101 total, 1 running, 100 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | 16:28 |
| timeless | Linux maemo-midgard 2.6.16-xenU20060830 #1 SMP Wed Aug 30 11:35:40 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | 16:28 |
| timeless | eww, it's a vm? | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: This month, hopefully. | 16:28 |
| RST38h | http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png <--- yesssss, yessss, my preciousss | 16:28 |
| timeless | does xen expose information about total cpu usage, or only virtual? | 16:28 |
| dneary | timeless: Apparently some people were uphappy with having a list published, Quim thinks that encouraging to update their profiles, and having some kind of marker in the karma list if someone is from Nokia is better | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I'm not sure what box you are on, but it is not the correct one ;) | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: Could you paste the whole htop line for browserd ? | 16:29 |
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| timeless | x-fade: bugs.maemo.org :) | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, so, like, uh today? | 16:29 |
| timeless | (bugs_and_lists)timeless@maemo-midgard:~$ | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ehm next month ;) | 16:29 |
| timeless | dneary: having been bitten w/in 1 day of someone marking me as nokia | 16:29 |
| timeless | and having already expressed my reservations to you about my name | 16:30 |
| timeless | i can't say i'm surprised | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | timeless: The wiki is not running on that one. | 16:30 |
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| dneary | timeless: So I'll be looking for feedback at the spring meeting this evening on how we should go about this task | 16:30 |
| timeless | x-fade: great | 16:30 |
| timeless | what are "lists" :) | 16:30 |
| admin_ | johnx , hrw: just installed poky, there's no wifi? | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Mailinglists. | 16:31 |
| sp3000 | yeah I noticed someone slipped me a company hat on bugzilla last week | 16:31 |
| timeless | and is midguard still here, if not, should the box get a new name? | 16:31 |
| sp3000 | so much for trying to fly under the foot-in-mouth radar! :) | 16:31 |
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| timeless | sp3000: yeah, on saturday | 16:31 |
| johnx | admin_, I guess not. I don't work with poky | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | timeless: There is no midgard on that box in use. | 16:31 |
| timeless | sp3000: actually, technically, the hat was probably something i gave you | 16:31 |
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| timeless | but someone showed our hats to the world (guenther) | 16:31 |
| timeless | sp3000: if you want your hat removed, i can remove it :) | 16:32 |
| hrw | admin_: no one is allowed to distribute wifi modules | 16:32 |
| hrw | admin_: no one == non-Nokia | 16:32 |
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| timeless | sp3000: help | 16:32 |
| timeless | how does one get "private" memory usage from htop? | 16:32 |
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| timeless | heck, where's the fkey on my n810 keyboard? :) | 16:32 |
| admin_ | :O | 16:33 |
| admin_ | that sucks | 16:33 |
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| timeless | and is there a bug filed that the up/down buttons in the xterm toolbar shortcut dialog don't highlight correctly when tapped? :) | 16:34 |
| timeless | even the browser does a better job :o | 16:34 |
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| hrw | wazd: how goes omweather 0.21? | 16:37 |
| * timeless pokes sp3000 | 16:37 | |
| sp3000 | ow | 16:37 |
| timeless | proxy(eero)->ping(htop) | 16:37 |
| dneary | The worst thing is, I feel like I'm missing "important" discussions all the time | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Which ones? | 16:38 |
| dneary | There's so much information, between ITT, mailing lists, wiki changes (we have >400 wiki edits per day at the moment), garage uploads, ... | 16:39 |
| timeless | dneary: treat itt and mailing lists as spam :) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 16:39 |
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| johnx | and yet sometimes interesting stuff shows up there | 16:39 |
| * timeless is kinda surprised about the garage bit | 16:39 | |
| johnx | reminds me of my old hotmail account | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:39 |
| timeless | heh | 16:39 |
| dneary | I try to filliw ITT and wiki updates via a feed reader, but the RSS feed for ITT only includes new threads, not all comments (and still has about 80 new entries per day), and the RecentChanges feed has > 400 posts per day... | 16:40 |
| RST38h | dneary: It may be worth t create a customized Google search for Maemo stuff | 16:40 |
| dneary | I manage to keep track of Garage | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Recent changes feed is pretty weak overall. | 16:40 |
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| dneary | Oh - then there's Planet Maemo, maemo news | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, turn on the js for the RecentChanges page on the wiki and watch that. | 16:40 |
| timeless | hrm, did someone fix planet-maemo? | 16:40 |
| dneary | js? | 16:40 |
| timeless | the last time i tried, it crashed | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It groups stuff together so it's a little easier to get an overview. | 16:41 |
| RST38h | timeless: shows ok now | 16:41 |
| sp3000 | timeless: something about browserd? | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences Recent changes tab -> "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript). | 16:41 |
| timeless | sp3000: how to get "private bytes" | 16:41 |
| RST38h | timeless: but do notice that livejournal.com pages now take way too much time to load in microb | 16:41 |
| RST38h | timeless: same with mail.yahoo.com, but I am not sure whether it was better on previous microb | 16:42 |
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| timeless | rst38h: try this | 16:42 |
| timeless | 1. load https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Browser | 16:42 |
| timeless | 2. click any bug link | 16:42 |
| timeless | 3. load http://planet.maemo.org/ | 16:42 |
| RST38h | wait let me copy&paste these instructions so that I can try them tonight | 16:42 |
| timeless | brother | 16:42 |
| timeless | you don't need a device | 16:43 |
| timeless | any cookie enabled browser will work | 16:43 |
| RST38h | ok | 16:43 |
| timeless | step 2 is probably optional | 16:43 |
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| RST38h | timeless: looks more or less fine, except that left baloon borders do not show up entirely | 16:44 |
| timeless | rst38h: hrm | 16:44 |
| timeless | no fair | 16:44 |
| RST38h | FF3 | 16:44 |
| RST38h | Shit wait | 16:44 |
| RST38h | It opened in the evil IE6 browser | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | Ok, it opened just fine in FF3, all borders intact | 16:45 |
| timeless | /proc/`pidof browser`/status is the raw details | 16:45 |
| timeless | rst38h: this is planet? | 16:45 |
| timeless | i'm getting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3347 | 16:45 |
| RST38h | yes | 16:45 |
| RST38h | XP machine | 16:45 |
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| RST38h | Not getting any problems. BUT there are two catches: 1) it is XP 2) it is going through a proxy in Santa Clara | 16:46 |
| timeless | i can reproduce this by sending the exact session listed in the bug report | 16:47 |
| timeless | oh wait | 16:47 |
| timeless | are you logged into bugzilla? | 16:47 |
| timeless | (and maemo.org) | 16:48 |
| RST38h | no | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | timeless: I can't reproduce it either. | 16:48 |
| RST38h | logging in | 16:48 |
| timeless | because i'm getting the same bug w/ a straight telnet connection | 16:49 |
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| timeless | hrm, is my php session id something someone can steal from me? | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Logged into both, went from bugzilla to planet, everything fine except that planet seems to have lost my login | 16:50 |
| timeless | heh | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | trying again | 16:50 |
| timeless | https: != http: | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: yes, but that is because you use http instead of https. | 16:50 |
| timeless | but you might check cookies, it's possible you lost your cookie | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, what he said ;) | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | says https | 16:51 |
| RST38h | let me do it once again, cleanly | 16:51 |
| timeless | so um... if it says https and you lost your cookie then someone helpfully ate it | 16:51 |
| RST38h | ah | 16:51 |
| timeless | which of course is a related bug | 16:51 |
| timeless | anyway, it'd be nice if the bugzilla cookie was *not* sent to *.maemo.org | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Every time I try to click login, it quietly moves me from http to https | 16:51 |
| timeless | i don't want evil.garage.maemo.org to have my bugzilla cookies :) | 16:52 |
| sp3000 | timeless: I don't see it in the available columns list | 16:52 |
| RST38h | does not ask to reenter credentials, just switches from http to https | 16:52 |
| timeless | sp3000: ... | 16:52 |
| timeless | thanks | 16:52 |
| timeless | sp3000: so um. which /proc/pid/status field is closest? | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 days, is it, now without spam on the wiki? Wonder why they moved on. . . . | 16:52 |
| RST38h | they will be back as soon as they are done with other wikis | 16:53 |
| RST38h | you should patiently wait your turn in line | 16:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles really wants a resolution on the issue one way or the other. | 16:53 | |
| timeless | rst38h++ | 16:54 |
| RST38h | make people authenticate themselves and present them with a squiggle | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush went and threw a wrench into the consensus. :< | 16:54 |
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| timeless | all spammers are busy, please wait, your need for spam will be addressed when the next spammer is available | 16:54 |
| RST38h | GA: Does fanoush want or does not want authentication? | 16:55 |
| timeless | hrm | 16:55 |
| timeless | i can't seem to log into mameo.org | 16:56 |
| timeless | s/me/em/ | 16:56 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i can't seem to log into maemo.org | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | load average: 12.33, 10.25, 7.86 | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he wants to allow anonymous edits. | 16:56 |
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| timeless | why? | 16:57 |
| timeless | ok, using https works | 16:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, a few reasons. The gist of it is that barriers to entry to a wiki have a negative impact. | 16:58 |
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| DarkenCZ | Hi | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You lose the, "I don't have an account, but I see a typo here and I'm going to fix it" drive-by-editors. | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which are fairly significant editors in a wiki ecosystem. | 16:59 |
| sp3000 | timeless: like res-shr? | 16:59 |
| RST38h | GA: How about he takes responsibility for moderating anonymouses? =) | 16:59 |
| timeless | sp3000: sounds right | 16:59 |
| timeless | is that what i want? | 16:59 |
| DarkenCZ | Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error) | 16:59 |
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| timeless | gan: how about we require everyone to use ff3 and the spellchecker | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that was my response to the guy who suggested queing up anonymous edits for moderation. :D | 17:00 |
| timeless | heh | 17:00 |
| timeless | oh yeah, that'd work | 17:00 |
| DarkenCZ | I guess it's something with that arm vs. i386 stuff :) | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, or OS X. ;) | 17:00 |
| hrw | DarkenCZ: on x86 or other? | 17:00 |
| timeless | gan: fine w/ me | 17:00 |
| Capn_Fish | johnx / Stskeeps: You guys here? | 17:00 |
| DarkenCZ | htw: x86 | 17:00 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, afraid so | 17:00 |
| Capn_Fish | fair enough | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i am | 17:00 |
| Capn_Fish | Nice! Two for one! | 17:00 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, how's it going? | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The problem really is that we simply don't have the bots, or the manpower that wikipedia does. | 17:01 |
| Capn_Fish | Pretty well | 17:01 |
| sp3000 | timeless: maybe | 17:01 |
| Capn_Fish | The Debian install script failed on chrooting, though :( | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | and expecting a half-dozen people to keep up with the spam isn't very realistic. | 17:01 |
| DarkenCZ | I used the scripts from maemo.org | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: could you pastebin the error? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i had an odd fail on ext3 myself | 17:01 |
| RST38h | GA: I do not see how you can have anonymouses and no spam at the same time | 17:01 |
| RST38h | But... | 17:01 |
| Capn_Fish | Ummm.....I'd have to reproduce it | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | was it post-debootstrap? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | GA: How about asking anonymouses to type contents of a squiggle? | 17:02 |
| Capn_Fish | I believe so | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, implementing a CAPTCHA would be a good first step. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OTHER problem that's specific to use is the fact that all edits over http show up as 127.0.0.1 | 17:02 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: The rootfs will start to boot from Fanoush's initfs, at least (no screen refresh, but no fail message) | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you can't actually ban individual spammers. | 17:03 |
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| keesj | if (os == linux) allow | 17:03 |
| sp3000 | so what's the current problem? are we getting anon spam? (I suppose we will eventually anyway) | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: as in it brings up consolefb? | 17:03 |
| Capn_Fish | No :( | 17:03 |
| Capn_Fish | hang on | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, quite a bit of it over the last two weeks. | 17:03 |
| sp3000 | login or captcha seems like a reasonable iteration | 17:03 |
| RST38h | GA: The 127.0.0.1 thing sounds more like a wiki bug | 17:04 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: My SD card has what looks like a fairly complete rootfs on it | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been banning 127.0.0.1 (which as the effect of disallowing anonymous edits over http) for 24-hour periods until we figure out whether we want to allow or disallow anonymous editing. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it has to do with the http proxy. | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | They show up fine over https | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: does /etc/init.d/usbnet-emergency-telnetd exist? (just trying to trace where it failed) | 17:04 |
| RST38h | GA: Oh | 17:04 |
| Capn_Fish | k | 17:05 |
| Capn_Fish | hang on | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The point that dneary made (which I very much agree with), was that it's preferable to know who's making edits. | 17:05 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Nope. | 17:05 |
| Capn_Fish | Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | GA: No argument here | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even registered users frequently edit anonymous if they forget to login (there's actually a mediawiki plugin to login-on-edit, but I can't seem to find it again). | 17:06 |
| RST38h | GA: Can http->https proxy setup be changed so that ip addresses DO pass through? | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: does /nit-base-packages exist? | 17:06 |
| Capn_Fish | yes | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:06 |
| Capn_Fish | Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, stuff like this (https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task%3AMaemo_brand&diff=2641&oldid=2502) is quite useful, but there are downsides. | 17:07 |
| sp3000 | I guess it's reasonable for mediawiki to expect proxies to lie | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: lemme just give you a python script so you dont' have to debootstrap all over again | 17:07 |
| Capn_Fish | OK | 17:07 |
| Capn_Fish | That would be nice :) | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm sure something could be done about it. | 17:07 |
| Capn_Fish | I already did it twice, and got the same error both times | 17:07 |
| DarkenCZ | Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error). How can I launch arm binary from scratchbox? It's x86 machine | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, personally, I'd rather see that fix-time invested elsewhere until we decide we actually want anonymous edits. | 17:07 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: QEMU | 17:08 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: QEMU is fun to emerge on Gentoo, as well, so be prepared | 17:08 |
| DarkenCZ | Capn_Fish: So it's harder then emerge qemu? :) | 17:08 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: You need GCC-3.3 | 17:08 |
| Capn_Fish | So not much | 17:09 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Hang on a sec | 17:09 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if debian's armel sid is br0k right now | 17:09 | |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO:_Qemu | 17:09 |
| DarkenCZ | thx | 17:09 |
| Capn_Fish | np | 17:09 |
| Capn_Fish | I had an adventure with it without reading that page | 17:09 |
| Capn_Fish | :) | 17:09 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: That doesn't sound good... | 17:10 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It's running fine on my Zaurus, though | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | getting a -lot- of 404 errors on base packages, like, sysklogd, manpages, etc.. | 17:10 |
| Capn_Fish | What mirror are you using? | 17:10 |
| DarkenCZ | Ok, I am going to compile gcc3.4 and tell you how does it work. Thank you | 17:11 |
| aquatix | anyone knows where i can find iwlist, iwconfig and such for diablo/chinook? [wireless-tools basically] | 17:11 |
| aquatix | i can't seem to find it | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, gronmayer? | 17:11 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Np. I have gcc 3.3.6 FWIW | 17:11 |
| Capn_Fish | Only for Qemu, of course | 17:11 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh, now i find it there | 17:12 |
| aquatix | odd | 17:12 |
| aquatix | i guess i was a bit too sleepy last night | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Conspiracy. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're messing with your head. | 17:12 |
| aquatix | http://nitapps.com seems to have it | 17:12 |
| DarkenCZ | So, after I install scratchbox, it will work or are there more steps? | 17:13 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It looks like only the "S" packages are missing | 17:13 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: First know that I have never actually DONE this | 17:13 |
| Capn_Fish | You need to set up QEMU to boot an ARM rootfs and kernel | 17:13 |
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| Capn_Fish | or maybe it just needs libs... | 17:14 |
| Capn_Fish | I don't know for sure. There's a wiki page on scratchbox/qemu somewhere | 17:14 |
| DarkenCZ | Ok, thank you anyway :) | 17:14 |
| Capn_Fish | No problem. I like to be helped myself, so I help others | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: svn up of trunk, cd installer, python postdebootstrap /target | 17:16 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: you're right, some packages are missing for armel (but all of the S packages are missing) | 17:16 |
| Capn_Fish | OK | 17:16 |
| Capn_Fish | Thanks | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | didn't have a chance to test it as my debian debootstrap just blew up :) | 17:16 |
| Capn_Fish | Most unfortunate. Have you tried another mirror? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | trying now | 17:17 |
| Capn_Fish | What's the SVN URL? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk | 17:17 |
| Capn_Fish | I just clicked the download link last time :) | 17:17 |
| Capn_Fish | thankx | 17:17 |
| Capn_Fish | s | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | (we have a download link?) | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:17 |
| Capn_Fish | It's convenient | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | from viewvc? | 17:18 |
| Capn_Fish | ya | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:18 |
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| Capn_Fish | Oh yeah, THAT's where it failed before: making/installing the module package while chrooting | 17:20 |
| Capn_Fish | It's working now | 17:20 |
| Capn_Fish | Wait...no | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, so the blame may lay with me ;) | 17:21 |
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| Capn_Fish | Oh? | 17:21 |
| Capn_Fish | It says mv: cannot rename 'linux-modules-whatever': directory not empty | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:21 |
| Capn_Fish | and that the postinst script has bad permissions | 17:22 |
| Capn_Fish | of 644 | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me the screenshot on a pastebin? | 17:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Maybe delete everything out of the directory? | 17:22 |
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| Capn_Fish | You mean copy and paste? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P are you sshing into your tablet or using it directly? | 17:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Using it directly | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:23 |
| Capn_Fish | This may be fun :) | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | Morning gang. | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | well rafb.net/paste should work on a n800 :P so it would be possible to copy-paste from terminal | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | (or n810) | 17:23 |
| Capn_Fish | ya | 17:23 |
| SDuensin | I've been searching ITT and such for info on Einstein on the N800. Anyone here have any success with it? | 17:24 |
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| Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/sy5y0013.html | 17:25 |
| Capn_Fish | That's manually typed, so it may be wrong | 17:25 |
| Capn_Fish | SDuensin: Sorry, no experience here | 17:25 |
| Capn_Fish | at least none from me | 17:25 |
| SDuensin | :-/ Thanks. | 17:25 |
| Capn_Fish | Sorry | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | I love my MessagePad 2100, but damn, it's big. | 17:26 |
| Capn_Fish | Same with my Zaurus | 17:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, no kidding. | 17:26 |
| Capn_Fish | It's near perfect, but a little chunky | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, that's part of what makes it great, though. . . . | 17:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Big enough to write on. | 17:26 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Was that the right URL? | 17:26 |
| SDuensin | GeneralAntilles - I agree. :-) | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | People at work keep asking me WTF I'm lugging around and if I got it from Soviet Russia. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: nop | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 17:27 |
| Capn_Fish | k | 17:27 |
| Capn_Fish | http://rafb.net/p/sy5yOO13.html | 17:28 |
| Capn_Fish | Try that | 17:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It _is_ a little bulky, though. :D | 17:28 |
| Capn_Fish | There we go :) | 17:28 |
| Capn_Fish | That's the right one | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | much better | 17:28 |
| sp3000 | SDuensin: if you got it from soviet russia, I think it would be lugging you around | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 17:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rubberisation also makes it awesomely impossible to get it in and out of stuff. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: .. okay, that's a weird error | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | how can a mv fail cos an directory is not empty? | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | It's lugging my wallet around. Ever since I became obsessed with Newton OS, eBay has been a very dangerous place. | 17:29 |
| Capn_Fish | No ida | 17:29 |
| Capn_Fish | idea | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 17:29 |
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| Capn_Fish | SDuensin: lol, same here, except with Linux devices | 17:29 |
| RST38h | See? Windows is good for you | 17:29 |
| SDuensin | Capn_Fish - I had that phase already. :-D | 17:29 |
| RST38h | No cravings. | 17:30 |
| Capn_Fish | RST38h: True, but where's the fun in not having any toys? | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=197670&postcount=42 | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: anything odd in dmesg? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i'm inclined to blame jffs2 | 17:31 |
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| Capn_Fish | I'm using ext2 | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 17:31 |
| Capn_Fish | I didn't see a module for jffs2 | 17:31 |
| * Stskeeps glares at that error | 17:31 | |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:32 |
| Capn_Fish | Nothing wierd in dmesg. | 17:32 |
| Capn_Fish | ...? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | try cd installer, sh refresh-base /media/mmc1 | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | and try again | 17:32 |
| Capn_Fish | k | 17:32 |
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| Capn_Fish | It seems to be working fine now | 17:34 |
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| Capn_Fish | It claims to be falling back on the 'C' locale though, that's normal? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:34 |
| Capn_Fish | wait... | 17:34 |
| Capn_Fish | ouch | 17:35 |
| Capn_Fish | >:( | 17:35 |
| Capn_Fish | I need to put telenet in my initfs >:( | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:35 |
| johnx | the locale stuff is just a matter of 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales' | 17:35 |
| Capn_Fish | ya | 17:35 |
| Capn_Fish | hang on. Back to the initfs-flashing :( | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: ah - i rely on bootmenu i believe | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | or fanoush's.. i'm not sure | 17:36 |
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| Capn_Fish | Probably the same. I've never used Telnet before, so I didn't include it in the initfs | 17:37 |
| Capn_Fish | Bah, now I need to copy it back over... | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | adding that to todo list.. not relying on utelnetd from initfs :P | 17:38 |
| Capn_Fish | good plan | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | you'll need to refresh-base again before running postdebootstrap most likely | 17:38 |
| Capn_Fish | I did that pre-emptively | 17:38 |
| Capn_Fish | :) | 17:38 |
| hrw | the good thing in diablo is that they use only 2.6M of initfs (which is 4M now) | 17:40 |
| hrw | so "mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw" and hack | 17:40 |
| SDuensin | I saw the Diablo stuff on Maemo. Can you give me a single line version of just WTF it is and do I want it? | 17:40 |
| Capn_Fish | Wait a minute...The kernel has jffs2 built in! | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | It would have to :p | 17:40 |
| Capn_Fish | SOrry, that just hit me | 17:41 |
| hrw | SDuensin: Diablo is update to Chinook. and you probably want it. | 17:41 |
| * SDuensin is always confused. Diablo is a game. Chinook is a helicopter. | 17:41 | |
| RST38h | You are wrong | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Diablo is Satan, red, horned, with a pitchfork | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, they're winds. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Codenames like Apple's big cats. | 17:42 |
| mgedmin | SDuensin: they're all also names of winds | 17:43 |
| RST38h | GA: Was poor aborted Elephanta also a wind? | 17:43 |
| hrw | Freemantle was chosen because Fart sounds not as good | 17:43 |
| * johnx waits for Apple to run out of names, thus resorting to "sort of an overweight tabby" | 17:43 | |
| qwerty12 | If I ever make something, I shall make the codenames after legendary pimps. | 17:43 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 17:43 |
| * SDuensin uses Stargate names. :-) | 17:43 | |
| hrw | I do not use any sensible names | 17:43 |
| pekuja | johnx, I think "Snow Leopard" is pushing it | 17:44 |
| johnx | heh..."Liger" maybe :D | 17:44 |
| pekuja | they still don't have Puma, Lynx or Lion though | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Lynx is a registered trademark of Atari | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Same is jaguar | 17:44 |
| pekuja | it's not an OS trademark | 17:44 |
| pekuja | hmn, I guess Puma and Lion are pretty well known names elsewhere too though | 17:45 |
| RST38h | all the same, if they decide to make a quick judicial buck... | 17:45 |
| pekuja | maybe they're avoiding those | 17:45 |
| lbt | how do I upgrade my sbox from 4.01 to 4.1? apt-get dist-upgrade? | 17:45 |
| pekuja | it's not all the same | 17:45 |
| SDuensin | pekuja - "Puma" was used. | 17:45 |
| pekuja | especially since Lynx died a long time ago | 17:45 |
| pekuja | SDuensin, well obviously | 17:45 |
| pekuja | SDuensin, oh, you mean for an OS? | 17:45 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 17:45 |
| pekuja | ok, I didn't know that | 17:45 |
| pekuja | well then obviously they're not afraid of trademarks in other fields | 17:46 |
| SDuensin | Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard (gay) | 17:46 |
| pupnik | < lbt> how do I upgrade my sbox from 4.01 to 4.1? apt-get dist-upgrade? | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | I just took the long route and removed everything :/ | 17:46 |
| pekuja | but yeah, it's missing Lynx and Lion | 17:46 |
| lbt | pupnik: Ideally I'd like to keep a chinook target... | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, they're all winds. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephanta_%28wind%29 | 17:46 |
| pekuja | or Cougar | 17:47 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: OK, I'm running the postdebbootstrap script (again) | 17:47 |
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| SDuensin | They've trademarked "Lynx" and "Cougar". :-) | 17:47 |
| pekuja | :-) | 17:47 |
| pekuja | heh, I guess those are coming then | 17:47 |
| pekuja | hmm | 17:47 |
| pekuja | now that I think of it, maybe Snow Leopard makes sense since they're not adding features | 17:47 |
| lcuk | Nokia n930 Cougar edition. for when you are taking the kids to school | 17:47 |
| RST38h | GA: ! | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Gregale they have used prematurely | 17:48 |
| * SDuensin wants them to go back to "1, 2, 3, 4, etc." MUCH easier to keep track of! | 17:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't try to find logic in their application of these codenames. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There is none. | 17:48 |
| pekuja | hah, fun fact: a snow leopard can't roar | 17:48 |
| RST38h | well, so far it looks to be done in alphabetic order | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any logic that they claim to apply is merely a redirection to keep you confused. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mistral, Gregale, and Scirocco would seem to say otherwise. ;) | 17:49 |
| lcuk | everything needs a codename, even bare rocks on mars have them | 17:49 |
| lcuk | it just helps us relate | 17:49 |
| aquatix | meh, the wlan0 of my n810 doesn't support scanning, iwlist says :/ | 17:50 |
| johnx | very likely | 17:50 |
| aquatix | that sucks | 17:50 |
| johnx | Nokia's cx3110x is missing a lot of wireless extensions | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | hm, iwlist scan worked for me | 17:50 |
| Capn_Fish | aquatix: I agree | 17:50 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: odd, here it didn't | 17:50 |
| * aquatix has v29 from nitapps.com | 17:51 | |
| ShadowJK | I'm going to try it again | 17:51 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Debian is using v31, no? | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, I didn't even know this existed: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=106&type=g | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any plans to move stuff like that into mediawiki-proper? | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK | yep, iwlist scan works for me | 17:52 |
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| aquatix | ShadowJK: how? | 17:52 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, i just typed "iwlist scan" and it waited awhile then gave me results... | 17:52 |
| aquatix | i have radio on, no network connection | 17:52 |
| Capn_Fish | ShadowJK: What version of the cx3100x module are you using? | 17:52 |
| aquatix | Capn_Fish: how can i check? | 17:52 |
| ShadowJK | I'm connected to a wlan | 17:53 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:53 |
| Capn_Fish | I forgot. I saw it somewhere while using Debian | 17:53 |
| Capn_Fish | Give me a bit | 17:53 |
| Capn_Fish | Maybe it's while insmodding or modprobing it | 17:53 |
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| crashanddie | Ryback_, oy ! | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | Ryback_, sorry to attack you like this, but just saw you were a e17 dev | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | say, do you know if there's anything going on with esd these days ? | 17:57 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It failed again | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | Say, where I could find some up-to-date docs or anything ? (to the API, more exactly) | 17:58 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Apparently dbus and hal had errors while installing | 17:58 |
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| Capn_Fish | aquatix: Yeah, scanning works for me too | 17:59 |
| Capn_Fish | I'm using Diablo, are you? | 17:59 |
| lbt | crashanddie http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ | 18:01 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: It's complaining about overwriting /var/run "which is also supplied by dhcp3-client" | 18:01 |
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| crashanddie | lbt, hmm ? | 18:01 |
| lbt | and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/ | 18:01 |
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| lbt | maemo 4.1 Diablo API References | 18:01 |
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| lbt | or is that for esd - sorry :) | 18:02 |
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| lbt | I just happened to be on that page :) | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 18:02 |
| Capn_Fish | hey | 18:02 |
| Capn_Fish | brb | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | ~lart the boost libraries for being a pos to install and use | 18:04 |
| * infobot runs at the boost libraries with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut for being a pos to install and use | 18:04 | |
| hrw | qwerty12: also POS to build | 18:07 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: You still here? | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, someone's already built them for maemo, not sure if they work well from what I am seeing here :/ | 18:07 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: building boost under scratchbox is weird way of crosscompiling rather | 18:08 |
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| qwerty12 | I gave up trying to build boost under sbox, I don't have the time or the skills :/ | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, these don't go well: ERROR: Source object /usr/lib/libboost_filesystem.so has EABI version 5, but target has EABI version 4 | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | . May as well try again :/ | 18:10 |
| hrw | I have to try with poky | 18:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Old but fun: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/files/2007/02/hildon-desktop-scaled-thumb.jpg | 18:12 |
| Capn_Fish | Why would you want to do that? | 18:13 |
| Capn_Fish | I'm spending enought time trying to get RID of hildon! | 18:13 |
| johnx | ah yeah, the resolution independent hildon-desktop they were working on | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | I have my reservations with hildon on the tablet, f*** using it on the desktop. | 18:13 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, some of us *like* hildon | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capn_Fish, why would you want to do that? | 18:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx++ | 18:13 |
| Capn_Fish | lol | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | Capn_Fish: I think it is better than everything else for a tablet sized device. | 18:14 |
| Capn_Fish | Why have candy-coated Linux when you can have pure Linux? | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, well, the idea is to illustrate scalability. ;) | 18:14 |
| Capn_Fish | Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, I suppose... | 18:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capn_Fish, because "pure" Linux sucks ass for finger input. ;) | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | Capn_Fish: I don't want to have full linux distro on my tablet or phone. I want a useable desktop. | 18:14 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, cause I can *actually* freaking use it without a stylus, without messing up and hitting the wrong thing | 18:14 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, you do realize my original goal of debian on the n8x0 was to have debian apps running in the hildon desktop, right? | 18:15 |
| Capn_Fish | I don't care so much for "finger input," and I have the keyboard on the N810, so "real" Linux is more appealing to me | 18:15 |
| timeless | sp3000: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ is syncing :) | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, sounds like the chroot stuff now :/ | 18:15 |
| Capn_Fish | And I can compile and run whatever app I want without modification | 18:15 |
| timeless | this may take a while :) | 18:15 |
| sp3000 | whee! | 18:16 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I'm a purist. :P | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Is wiki speed better now? | 18:16 |
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| johnx | Capn_Fish, that was the other goal, but that's not a hildon problem, so much as a distribution problem | 18:16 |
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| hrw | Capn_Fish: I want more customisable hildon but still hildon | 18:17 |
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| Capn_Fish | hrw johnx: All I want is Fluxbox/EvilWM :) | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | I want more applets visible in the statusbar, that is my ultimate pisstake with hildon-desktop. I looked at the source but don't understand jack shit of it :/ | 18:17 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I want os2007 like menus | 18:18 |
| Capn_Fish | Another reason to love other WMs | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | I did find the file responsible for the statusbar, I made a little change and nothing shows >.< | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, a little, still getting the "lost network connection", though. :( | 18:18 |
| Capn_Fish | ouch | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, port some maemo-af-desktop code from bora :/ | 18:18 |
| hrw | qwerty12: or rather hack hildon-desktop | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | That shouldn't be too hard, even maybe me could try :/ | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I haven't seen that. Can you past the error somewhere? | 18:19 |
| hrw | qwerty12: at least that is open | 18:19 |
| johnx | I'm not really in love with the whole hildon-desktop, but hildonized apps and matchbox wm overall seem reasonable to me | 18:19 |
| hrw | johnx: I would like to have something usable for that desktop - now I keep it clean | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 | 18:20 |
| johnx | hrw, I actually like matchbox desktop for the most part | 18:21 |
| hrw | johnx: matchbox-desktop 1.x or 2.x? | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But that error is not generated by the wiki right? It is just your browser telling you that? | 18:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right | 18:22 |
| johnx | hrw, whatever was on angstrom 2007.12 | 18:22 |
| hrw | johnx: old 1.x one | 18:22 |
| hrw | johnx: I do not like it | 18:22 |
| * johnx googles for the new one | 18:22 | |
| Capn_Fish | lol | 18:22 |
| hrw | johnx: 2.x (used in Poky) is better | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Over http it's an actual server error | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ok I thought that you were mentioning another problem ;) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: yes, sorry, was making pizza :P | 18:22 |
| Capn_Fish | np | 18:22 |
| timeless | anyway, for people interested in seeing what files will be available (warning, this may kill your browser), you're free to load http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find?string=x | 18:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Pizza's worth it | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | something along the lines of "lost connection with 127.0.0.1" or or similar. | 18:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Anyway, it failed on installing dbus and hal | 18:23 |
| johnx | hrw, ah, actually I tried poky, but I didn't like the desktop as much. there's no need for icons to be bigger than my thumbs | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: hmm. pastebin again? | 18:23 |
| Capn_Fish | kk | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: this is debian sid though so things may break:) | 18:23 |
| hrw | johnx: thats the matter of configuring probably | 18:23 |
| Capn_Fish | Things work on my Z | 18:23 |
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| johnx | Capn_Fish, did you do the debian install on your Z today? | 18:24 |
| Capn_Fish | No | 18:25 |
| Capn_Fish | Point taken | 18:25 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/IoBces79.html | 18:25 |
| johnx | I've been following debian sid for a long time. There are many interesting ways for things to break :) | 18:25 |
| Capn_Fish | There always are | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: wtf @ that error though | 18:26 |
| Capn_Fish | The overwriting thing? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | .. and again, why does dhcp3-client provide var/run? :> | 18:27 |
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| Capn_Fish | No idea | 18:27 |
| johnx | yeah, that doesn't sound right :) | 18:27 |
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| DarkenCZ | Hi, i installed qemu and I get new error in launching af-sb-init: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherFontconfig error: Cannot load default config file | 18:27 |
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| aquatix | Capn_Fish: yeah, diablo | 18:28 |
| * aquatix was afk | 18:28 | |
| aquatix | and again, going home | 18:28 |
| Capn_Fish | k | 18:29 |
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| Capn_Fish | Well, it works for me | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Arggh, boost wants g++4.0, off I go to get cs2008 toolchain for sb1 >.< | 18:30 |
| timeless | sp3000: that web url is killing my browser | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: i'll just see if my debootstrap fails - i guess it's in post bootstrap this messes up+ | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:30 |
| lcuk | keesj, :) thanks for the vmware appliance, ill grab it later and hopefully replace the one ive got here. | 18:30 |
| Capn_Fish | ya | 18:30 |
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| Capn_Fish | OK | 18:30 |
| Capn_Fish | I can wait :) | 18:31 |
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| * timeless sighs, xref is 650mb of which rsync has sent 150mb. this will take a while :) | 18:32 | |
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| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: try apt-get update; and try again? | 18:32 |
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| Capn_Fish | OK | 18:33 |
| Capn_Fish | hang om | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | (maybe apt-get upgrade too if dhcp3-client has a problem) | 18:34 |
| Capn_Fish | will do | 18:35 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: apt-get upgrade says there are broken deps, do an apt-get -f install, which gives the original error while trying to install gnome-device-manager, hal, and dbus | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | brb, dinner | 18:38 |
| Capn_Fish | k | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | if apt-get install hal gives a problem relating to dhcp3-client it sounds like a debian issue or something :P | 18:39 |
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| Capn_Fish | Ya | 18:42 |
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| Capn_Fish | WTF. | 18:43 |
| Capn_Fish | looking in the package file list here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/dhcp3-client/filelist | 18:43 |
| Capn_Fish | it says that /var/run is NOT used by dhcp3-client | 18:43 |
| Capn_Fish | >:( | 18:43 |
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| johnx | hmm, /var/run shouldn't be supplied by any package unless maybe lsb-base or similar | 18:44 |
| Capn_Fish | Hmm | 18:45 |
| Capn_Fish | so we've got at least two packages providing a file that shouldn't be provided by either of them | 18:45 |
| Capn_Fish | Lovely. | 18:45 |
| johnx | well, maybe I'm confused, but I really think /var/run is the kind of thing that should be there even without a dhcp client or hal | 18:46 |
| Capn_Fish | Ah... /var/run is a symlink to /tmp/.run | 18:46 |
| Capn_Fish | I just removed it, we'll see how this ends | 18:46 |
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| DarkenCZ | BTW does anybody know howto install gnupg to n810? | 18:47 |
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| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Maybe you want to try Debian? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | DarkenCZ, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18168 ? | 18:47 |
| Capn_Fish | once we figure out how to get the install working, that is? | 18:47 |
| DarkenCZ | Capn_Fish: I don't! but I afraid i will have :((( | 18:47 |
| johnx | DarkenCZ, the package gnupg is installed by default, right? | 18:47 |
| DarkenCZ | johnx: I don't think so | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, that's osso-gnupg iirc and according to that page, it's bascially handicapped | 18:48 |
| johnx | run apt-cache policy gnupg | 18:48 |
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| DarkenCZ | gnupg: | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | Installed: 1.4.6-2maemo1 | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | Candidate: 1.4.6-2maemo1 | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | Version table: | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | *** 1.4.6-2maemo1 0 | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 18:49 |
| DarkenCZ | Now I am confused :) | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The problem with maemo-users is that there aren't enough intelligent people replying to offset the overwhelming stupidity. . . . | 18:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, hey now... | 18:49 |
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| DarkenCZ | shame on me | 18:50 |
| johnx | DarkenCZ, don't worry about it. Why did you think you didn't have it? | 18:50 |
| Capn_Fish | Who here wanted Einstein? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Are there any recommended options when using diff to make a patch file? | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, have you SEEN the threads that go on on -users?! :P | 18:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12, diff -urN maybe? | 18:51 |
| DarkenCZ | johnx: Becouse i was trying to find package in every repository and I found only some old ones for os2007 | 18:51 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, aaaah...I missed the '-' | 18:51 |
| Capn_Fish | SDuensin: Still here? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, ta | 18:51 |
| SDuensin | Yea | 18:51 |
| DarkenCZ | I need to establish mail client with pgp support... and in best case, jabber with pgp support :) | 18:51 |
| Capn_Fish | Still looking for einstein? | 18:51 |
| Capn_Fish | http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/28/openeinstein-build-48-for-nokia-770/ | 18:51 |
| SDuensin | Yes! | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, the wikipedia Hildon article now has less suck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | Will that run on an 800? | 18:52 |
| Capn_Fish | No idea if it will work, though | 18:52 |
| Capn_Fish | But you can try :) | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | I will. :-) | 18:52 |
| * SDuensin needs to get his 2100 ROM yanked. | 18:52 | |
| Capn_Fish | Enjoy (hopefully) | 18:52 |
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| DarkenCZ | Does somebody have mail client which support pgp? | 18:55 |
| Capn_Fish | Maybe Claws Mail? | 18:55 |
| DarkenCZ | There should exist gnupg plugin for claws mail, but I didn't find it avaiable for maemo | 18:55 |
| Capn_Fish | Hmm... | 18:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, a little far fetched but instead of doing it by hand, is there a program that can "scan" patch files and remove any lines that conflict with each other/are the same? | 18:58 |
| DarkenCZ | Maybe I can install Debian or Ubuntu to virtual computer and try to play with scratchbox there? | 18:58 |
| Capn_Fish | Probably | 18:58 |
| GAN800 | Find yourself a bitch. | 18:58 |
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| crashanddie | GAN800, I'd love to, but you're not coming to MaemoCon, so phat chance of meeting you :P | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | ooh netsplit | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | clarke got bitchslapped, too | 19:01 |
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| GAN800 | Is it just me, or did a bunch of packages just get icons in Application manager? | 19:02 |
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| crashanddie | how to f up a conversation | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | luckily, we didn't have much of one | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | I blame you. | 19:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MaemoCon sounds like an anime convention. | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | I will never admit anything | 19:05 |
| hrw | it there libossosettings? | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm thinking it might end up finishing like one | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, thousands of geeks coming together, only 2 getting laid | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:06 |
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| Mousey | i'd like to get 14 days on idle.. hell, i'd like to get the battery to survive idling overnight! | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | Mousey: mine does | 19:09 |
| * qwerty12 finally believes in british film industry after watching adulthood again | 19:09 | |
| mgedmin | what sort of apps have you got installed? | 19:09 |
| * Mousey cries | 19:09 | |
| mgedmin | omweather? | 19:09 |
| Mousey | yah | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | I'm not pointing any fingers, or anything, but... | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | I'd suggest uninstalling it and seeing if the battery life improves or not | 19:10 |
| Mousey | sigh | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, something's broken if you don't get at least 2 days idle on wifi. | 19:10 |
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| Mousey | great | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a couple bugs that cover most of the suspects and there's a thread on -users or -developers | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | apps that wake up the CPU several times a second are usually to blame | 19:11 |
| Mousey | well i'm on diablo now | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make sure neither of your cards are corrupted and make sure you don't have anything eating cpu in the background. | 19:11 |
| lcuk | mousey : totally with you here, my 810 is dead as a dodo and i think something kept hold last night because normally without wifi i can last | 19:11 |
| lcuk | though my wifi drains it quicker than a thirsty australian in a pub | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | See if modest and browser aren't sucking cpu like a bitch in diablo. | 19:11 |
| Mousey | yah, if i [remember to] put it in offline it lasts a bit longer | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, lcuk, just get a real router already. <_< | 19:11 |
| * Mousey doesn't use modest, no client side filters | 19:11 | |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles :) im happy, and now in the last coiuple of months its only been dead twice | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 19:12 |
| lcuk | (at least since i got back from linuxtag) | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey, Doesn't matter. When I was using diablo betas, I had no email account configured whatsoever but modest would like run as daemon still. Turn off updating in it's settings. | 19:12 |
| Mousey | wtf | 19:12 |
| * Mousey uninstalls it | 19:12 | |
| lcuk | mousey, best thing for none wifi batterylife: turn down the screen brightness as far as you are comfortable with | 19:12 |
| lcuk | its no use it glowing like the sun when its tucked in its pouch ;0 | 19:13 |
| lcuk | ;) | 19:13 |
| Mousey | i always do that | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | locking the keyboard should prevent it from glowing... | 19:13 |
| DarkenCZ | it's ubuntu good distro to play with scratchbox? | 19:13 |
| lcuk | i have mine 2 notches from top all the time, and ive customised acmonitor to knock down my cpu to ondemand when i disco0pnnect from power | 19:13 |
| Mousey | i do that too | 19:13 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, it does normally, but locking doesnt always turn the screen off | 19:14 |
| lcuk | watch a movie and try it... | 19:14 |
| Mousey | acmonitor? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | oh? it usually does for me | 19:14 |
| DaniloCesar | DarkenCZ, Mandriva/Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian are good distros.... Distro doesn't matter.... =) | 19:14 |
| Mousey | wow, why does apt-get remove modest wanna remove half my install? | 19:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Maybe because it's part of the os now? | 19:14 |
| mgedmin | I usually don't let my pockets watch any movies :) | 19:14 |
| DarkenCZ | Well, I have gentoo, but I want something what use apt-get :) | 19:14 |
| Mousey | communist! | 19:14 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, :) i have been able to draw on the screen with liqbase with it locked in the past | 19:14 |
| lcuk | lol mgedmin depends what kinds of movies | 19:14 |
| * Mousey tries apt-get acrobatics to trick it | 19:15 | |
| mgedmin | Mousey: what if you just go to email preferences and disable periodic checking? | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 19:15 |
| Capn_Fish | DarkenCZ: Networking from a VM can be odd, FWIW | 19:15 |
| lcuk | mousey: sudo apt-get acrobatics | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | <qwerty12> Turn off updating in it's settings. | 19:15 |
| DaniloCesar | DarkenCZ, I use debian virtual machine to play with SB... | 19:15 |
| * mgedmin hands DarkenCZ a Ubuntu CD | 19:15 | |
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| Mousey | rats | 19:15 |
| Mousey | libosso-email-interface is the culprit | 19:15 |
| Mousey | apparently it has a dependency on modest | 19:16 |
| * lcuk hasnt even setup email on his tablet | 19:16 | |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 19:16 |
| Mousey | i haven't either | 19:16 |
| Capn_Fish | Me neither | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | DarkenCZ: for best results use a 32-bit version of Ubuntu and know to do 'sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096' before you try to log into scratchbox | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | otherwise it works fine | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | is this a diablo thing then? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Good old www.gmail.com is fine for me. | 19:16 |
| * Mousey checks in email prefs for periodic checking | 19:16 | |
| Capn_Fish | I personally use mail.google.com | 19:16 |
| Mousey | lcuk: nah, i've never really had good battery life | 19:16 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: yes, diablo switched to Modest instead of the old crappy email client | 19:16 |
| Mousey | i personally use mail.ross154.net | 19:16 |
| Mousey | it's mine, no corporation owns my email | 19:16 |
| DarkenCZ | mgedmin: thank you, thats what I want to here :) | 19:16 |
| Capn_Fish | nice | 19:17 |
| lcuk | mousey, what kind of wifi basestation have you got, cos i use adhoc wifi dongle on desktop pc, GeneralAntilles swears it drains battery and i believe him (for once :P ) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | and whats the battery life like in offline mode | 19:17 |
| GAN800 | AdHoc doesn't support powersaving. | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | shitfuck, I'm now going to have to compare by hand, a 5.1MB patch against a 4.1MB patch. Someone pull the trigger :( | 19:18 |
| lcuk | no, cos its trying to be a server all the time | 19:18 |
| lcuk | thats why i use it when im plugged in | 19:18 |
| GAN800 | Mousey, make sure your cards aren't corrupt. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, you just lost extra merit marks, "shitfuck" is not correct, you should capitalize and punctuate your swearing "Shit, Fuck!" | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | How about no? | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, fail | 19:19 |
| lcuk | http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9knwA2L8GaFk8fQAYZW_SaONq4Q | 19:19 |
| GAN800 | shitfuck is much more creative. | 19:19 |
| lcuk | but it wont get you any marks in your English exam | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12: interdiff? | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | mgedmin, thank you. Looks like this could help :) | 19:21 |
| GAN800 | Wow, carrier-specific Maemo releases? O_o http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21450 | 19:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Meh, I've had N800-666-qwerty12 pimp :P | 19:22 |
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| keesj | osso-email-interface/trunk/ | 19:23 |
| keesj | sry | 19:23 |
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| johnx | GAN800, that is really crazy O_o | 19:24 |
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| johnx | I guess it's just some creative repackaging by Singtel's resident Linux guru...probably a custom desktop and home page | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | I know a way to change the version, just need to see if the version returned by mplayer says singtel too :/ | 19:25 |
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| mgedmin | I wonder what sudo osso-product-info would print on that Singtel image | 19:26 |
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| lbt | Anyone got any idea how to install non-maemo debian/ubuntu packages into a diablo sbox? (specifically ddd) | 19:37 |
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| qwerty12 | It's probably just easier to download the source and diif from the same page in the left and compile that. | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Failing that, repack the armel deb with dependencies removed and hope for the best. | 19:38 |
| lbt | qwerty12: did that - ddd depends on Motif... | 19:39 |
| lbt | didn't want to go there.. | 19:39 |
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| lbt | I added deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main to sources.list but get keyring issues | 19:40 |
| lbt | was wondering if I could add an ubunut repository | 19:40 |
| lbt | since I'm running the x86 target (which works fine for me) | 19:41 |
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| Mousey | DAEMONS EATING MY BATTERY! NEED A CATHOLIC PRIESTGRAMMER! | 19:44 |
| * qwerty12 gets my fedora hat on | 19:44 | |
| qwerty12 | Will a pimp do? | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | Guess not, playa hater :( | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: hald installed for me | 19:46 |
| aquatix | odd, if i connect to a wifi network, iwlist scan works | 19:47 |
| aquatix | but i want it without connecting :) | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | ...whatever Steve Jobs does is right. And so, since the iPhone currently has no keyboard on it, it must logically follow that it is wrong to have a keyboard, and therefore that Steve Jobs will never produce a version that does have a keyboard. | 19:51 |
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| mgedmin | um, apple laptops have keyboards! | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | therefore it logically follows that sometimes it is okay to have a keyboard | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | aquatix: on my laptop iwlist scan returns results from the last scan (if any), while sudo iwlist scan also tells the wifi driver to perform the scan right now | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | ... I think | 19:53 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: in a laptop | 19:54 |
| GAN800 | I love how the iPhone's keyboard lags when the device is under load. | 19:54 |
| RST38h | which leads us to conclusion that whenever iPhone gets a keyboard, it will be renamed into a laptop | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | GAN: N8x0 is no exception to this | 19:54 |
| RST38h | BT keyboard lag terribly | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | why aren't macbooks called iLaptop | 19:54 |
| RST38h | s/keyboard/keyboards/ | 19:55 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: BT keyboards lag terribly | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | That's consistent. | 19:55 |
| GAN800 | Not load-dependent. | 19:55 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: 'cause iBook sounds more important | 19:55 |
| Ave | mac portables arent called laptops, because they arent laptops... | 19:55 |
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| GAN800 | mgedmin, that went out with PowerPC. | 19:55 |
| RST38h | GAN: I have traced it down to the amount of stuff being redrawn | 19:55 |
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| Ave | someone in the land of hope and glory burns his nads on a scolding apple and thusly its no more laptop, avoid the lap | 19:55 |
| Ave | its a portable computer dammit | 19:55 |
| RST38h | May be wrong of course, but it definitely feels like the more GTK widgets you have on the screen the more it lags | 19:56 |
| RST38h | [correction: not the number of widgets drawn but the totan number of widgets, seemingly] | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | aquatix, maybe if you ifconfig wlan0 up first? | 19:56 |
| Ave | anyone noticed a faster battery drain with diablo than chinook? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, Tried renicing hcid or similar? (I say this, not ever having used a bt keyboard) | 19:56 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I did not | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: If you have a recipe of how to do it, shoot =) | 19:57 |
| GAN800 | Ave, incidental. | 19:57 |
| RST38h | Ave: It is most likely Modest | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | renice -20 `pidof hcid` (as root) ? :/ | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Ave: It has a habit of hanging up in memory eating 100% CPU | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | -20 is highest priority iirc | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | aha | 19:58 |
| RST38h | let's try... | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | renice 0 `pidof hcid` may be a nicer value to use | 20:00 |
| Mousey | yikes, renice | 20:00 |
| Ave | RST38h: aah the new email client you mean | 20:03 |
| Ave | incidentally I just took the time to configure it and bang there goes my battery, so could be | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | Ave: disable automatic email fetch | 20:05 |
| * Mousey turns off the email update interval | 20:05 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: -20 freezes touch ui | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: 0 seems to improve things a bit | 20:06 |
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| Ave | RST38h: does that also disable the new mail notifi ations | 20:06 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, Cool, try going down in -20 and see which value works well | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ave, take a guess. :P | 20:07 |
| RST38h | -5 feels better | 20:07 |
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| Ave | GeneralAntilles: thats the only funxtion I use the intgernal mail client for ... | 20:09 |
| Atarii | penguinb8 u there? | 20:09 |
| RST38h | still lags | 20:10 |
| RST38h | -10 feels better | 20:10 |
| melmoth | Is dputing stuff on chinook-extras-devel currenlty borked ? | 20:10 |
| RST38h | ui works | 20:10 |
| RST38h | no it still lags | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | I do not think it has anything to do with bt keyboard. | 20:11 |
| RST38h | Looks like it is related to gtk event loop | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, how many devices have you got connected to bt? | 20:17 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: yeah, thought about that :) | 20:17 |
| RST38h | 1 | 20:17 |
| lcuk | and what app are you testing it in, because i notice repeaaaaaaaating letters when the cpu is busy | 20:17 |
| lcuk | but actual lag is minimal | 20:18 |
| RST38h | I had to reboot. Modest went nuts again, even although I explicitely disabled mail fetch | 20:18 |
| * mgedmin also used to see repeaaaaaaaaaaaating letters on BT keyboards | 20:18 | |
| mgedmin | when the CPU was quite idle | 20:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: xterm and xchat | 20:18 |
| lcuk | is it laggy if you reboot and go directly to the notes thingy | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | checking | 20:18 |
| lcuk | no other apps, complete baseline | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | or at least I hadn't noticed CPU busyness | 20:18 |
| RST38h | notes lags | 20:19 |
| RST38h | no other apps | 20:19 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, it appears to be timing related, the cpu might show 0% or not doing anything, but there is a stutter like a heartbeat about 3 times a second | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | Mhuwhahahahahahahaha | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | Capn_Fish: did you manage to solve it? | 20:19 |
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| Atarii | quick question: when cloning to external card, what is the FAT partition used for? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, what extra applets have you got installed? | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | 20/20 written english exam, 20/20 oral english exam | 20:19 |
| crashanddie | :D | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | Atarii: to make sure maemo doesn't bitch at unreadable SD | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:19 |
| lcuk | thats good crashanddie, shame it was a french exam | 20:20 |
| Atarii | oh ok thanks | 20:20 |
| crashanddie | well | 20:20 |
| RST38h | search,rss (no scroll),omweather,clock,radio | 20:20 |
| crashanddie | I guess it kinda invalidates the grade | 20:20 |
| lcuk | try turning off and seeing, it might be a specific one | 20:20 |
| * lcuk has clock as only addin | 20:20 | |
| * lcuk personally thinks the clock refreshes every 1/3 second (otherwise you can get in a situation where it displays wrong) | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | back after t | 20:23 |
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| RST38h | Modest menu no longer shows up | 20:24 |
| RST38h | It appears and immediately disappears. I guess @%$%^#$ program is pissed at my turning automatic mail fetch off | 20:25 |
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| Navi | you hurt it's feelings | 20:26 |
| crashanddie | its feelings | 20:26 |
| RST38h | it is now bodily harm turn... | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | POW POW | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | (That song is an LDN classic) | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kate's blog post broke the front page. | 20:27 |
| Navi | RST38h, new iNES coming out any time soon? | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, women | 20:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Can't live w/out them, can't live with them. | 20:28 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, we're not living with 'em, she stills fucks up our front page | 20:28 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | In that case, iit's time for armshouse | 20:29 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hm yeah, that is in need of a fix :) | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | Navi: MasterGear first | 20:31 |
| Navi | mmk | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | Ok, here is a story | 20:33 |
| Mousey | once upon a time | 20:33 |
| RST38h | It looks like connecting bt keyboard breaks modest | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | After I connect, then disconnect keyboard, Modest stops showing its menu | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | oh shit, when's da sequal, this book is too shit | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | *sick | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | I'm so used to swearing :( | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | I type the cursed words w/out even realising :/ | 20:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, what is scratchbox's arm-eabi-gcc equivalent? | 20:39 |
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| aquatix | qwerty12: what are you reading? | 20:42 |
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| tlax | would anybody happen to know what installs /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core.dpkg-new file? | 20:44 |
| tlax | as in.. where to file bugreports? | 20:44 |
| tlax | I used the maemo-installers to install | 20:44 |
| lcuk | I saw the kid that kate has a picture of at ltag, he was floating around the entire time. reminded me of the IBM linux adverts | 20:46 |
| MishaS | tlax, .dpkg-new files are intermediate files by dpkg during installation :) | 20:46 |
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| t_s_o | well that figures why i was able to blow my whole calendar syncing gpe. gpe had higher priority on "correctness" then my computer :S | 21:05 |
| Cptnodegard | i try again today since i got no reply last night... wil lfuture upgrades of apps and such be diablo only or chinopok too? | 21:06 |
| GAN800 | they're compatible. | 21:07 |
| Cptnodegard | thank god | 21:07 |
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| GAN800 | basically | 21:07 |
| Cptnodegard | my osso backup doesnt work so i dont want to upgrade | 21:07 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, anyone else having trouble getting passwordless logins working with openssh after diablo? | 21:09 |
| GAN800 | Try lussh? | 21:10 |
| t_s_o | ? | 21:10 |
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| jsmith | t_s_o: No, it's working fine for me | 21:10 |
| GAN800 | It's a nice little script to set up keys for you. | 21:10 |
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| t_s_o | GAN800: meh, dont like scripts for this stuff. they usually have some assumptions or other of what state things are in before they start | 21:11 |
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| t_s_o | bah, i copy the .pub as tolk but i still get the password prompt when trying to log in... | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | t_s_o: where do you copy it? | 21:16 |
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| mgedmin | everything works for me just great | 21:16 |
| mgedmin | passwordless ssh-key logins everywhere | 21:16 |
| t_s_o | .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the tablet | 21:16 |
| GAN800 | You set up the key correctly? | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | fwiw you can ditch the 2, just .ssh/authorized_keys is fine | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | usually the problem is directory permissions | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | try chmod 600 ~/.ssh | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | and if that doesn't help, chmod g-w ~ | 21:17 |
| t_s_o | are you sure its supposed to be 600? | 21:19 |
| t_s_o | heh, was the access rights on the .ssh dir indeed. when all but user was stripped of rights, it works :) | 21:20 |
| t_s_o | its allways the smallest things... | 21:20 |
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| mgedmin | t_s_o: no, it's 700 actually, sorry | 21:25 |
| mgedmin | u=rwx, others = nothing | 21:25 |
| t_s_o | that i discovered ;) | 21:25 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Back yet? | 21:27 |
| JamieBennett | where is python installed installed in scratchbox? I have /usr/bin/python linked to /usr/bin/python2.5 but python reports version 2.3? | 21:31 |
| Capn_Fish | try "which python" | 21:32 |
| JamieBennett | I knew there was a command for it but the name escaped me, thanks | 21:32 |
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| JamieBennett | For those that want to know its in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 21:33 |
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| Capn_Fish | No problem | 21:34 |
| crashanddie_ | say, why doesn't the youtube plugin for canola work... anyone had a similar experience (diablo. just black screen) | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | silly question: any console app that can tell me whether my gps got a fix already? | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | Ev'ning, all | 21:37 |
| crashanddie_ | not that I know of | 21:37 |
| JamieBennett | hey jaffa | 21:37 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, mplayer oddness maybe? | 21:37 |
| GAN800 | Hey, Jaffa. | 21:37 |
| crashanddie_ | hmm, could be | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | telnet localhost gpsd? | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | um where can I get telnet for diablo? | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | or netcat? | 21:38 |
| GAN800 | gronmayer? . . . | 21:39 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: 'ang on, there's a netcat package in mud | 21:39 |
| lcuk | what an amazing game :D http://puzzlefarter.com/ | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | stuck? | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | :) | 21:39 |
| Jaffa | tsk :) | 21:39 |
| * mgedmin once got his car stuck in mud while following maemo mapper's route directions | 21:39 | |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: I would upload it, but garage.maemo.org is doing that "lost connection" thing again | 21:42 |
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| JamieBennett | Why is it that when I install python2.5 inside of scratchbox, running 'python' still results in it using the 2.3 version? Does python 2.3 need to be removed? | 21:43 |
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| Capn_Fish | You could just run python2.5 | 21:44 |
| JamieBennett | but I want to package an app up | 21:44 |
| Capn_Fish | You could just run python2.5 | 21:44 |
| Capn_Fish | So? | 21:45 |
| Capn_Fish | SOrry about that | 21:45 |
| Capn_Fish | Just link python2.5 to python | 21:45 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: No? | 21:45 |
| lmoura | JamieBennett, scratchbox uses python for internal commands | 21:45 |
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| lmoura | in the device you can use python | 21:45 |
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| JamieBennett | Imoura: Ah that makes sence | 21:46 |
| JamieBennett | Is there an easy way to gain root under scratchbox? | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | use fakeroot | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | usually it suffices | 21:47 |
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| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | I only see 0.6 available. | 21:50 |
| sp3000 | what's up with that? | 21:50 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: If you get this, X11 gets NO input (touchscreen or kb, running as new user, either startx or xinit), and I'm off. | 21:54 |
| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Oh, and the keymap.map I gave you is TOTALLY broken. I already updated the Wiki | 21:55 |
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| mpeterso1 | Hi, can anyone help me with e2fsprogs installation? I can't seem to find the right repository for it | 21:59 |
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| DarkenCZ | Hi, I am sorry for annoying you again, but can I ask who is defender and what parents does he like? :) I have this error when start meamo-launcher defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be | 22:01 |
| DarkenCZ | maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=15818 status=2816 | 22:01 |
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| Mousey | overall i must admit, i'm pleased with the devil | 22:05 |
| Mousey | uh, i mean with diablo | 22:05 |
| DarkenCZ | :) | 22:06 |
| JamieBennett | I'm not with the diablo SDK :( | 22:06 |
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| DarkenCZ | JamieBennett: I can't compare, it's first SDK I am trying to install | 22:09 |
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| mgedmin | DarkenCZ: how did you get that error? | 22:13 |
| DarkenCZ | I am tried to start maemo-launcher | 22:13 |
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| mgedmin | whatever for? | 22:13 |
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| ustunozgur_home | there are parent and child processes. | 22:14 |
| ustunozgur_home | maybe it's related. | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | and when parent processes love each other very much, ... | 22:14 |
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| DarkenCZ | Well, when I started af-sb-init.sh then I saw that maemo-launcher failed | 22:15 |
| ustunozgur_home | they use dbus | 22:15 |
| ustunozgur_home | :) | 22:15 |
| pupnik | http://blip.tv/file/1015028 l... m.... f..... a...... o........ | 22:15 |
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| pupnik | l.m.F.a.o | 22:16 |
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| DarkenCZ | so I tryed to execute /usr/bin/maemo-launcher | 22:17 |
| DarkenCZ | and get this error | 22:17 |
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| mgedmin | DarkenCZ: did you do that in the x86 or in the armel target | 22:21 |
| DarkenCZ | armel target | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | that won't work | 22:22 |
| DarkenCZ | I am sorry, maybe I miss something important with these targets | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | qemu is not complete enough to get the gui running | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | I believe the maemo tutorial mentions that | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | af-sb-init.sh is only supposed to work in x86 targets | 22:22 |
| DarkenCZ | Which tutorial do you mean? I saw many various tutorial today :) | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | which is a bit of a bother | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | since I don't have any ;) | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | 4 targets are quite sufficient thank you (mistral bora chinook diablo) | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | I don't want 8 | 22:23 |
| mgedmin | the Maemo Tutorial on maemo.org | 22:23 |
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| DarkenCZ | All I want to do is to establish sdk and be able to compile and make my own packages... I killed whole day trying to set up scratchbox | 22:24 |
| DarkenCZ | I used scratchbox and maemo scripts I found on maemo.org, but I don't have all software which is present on n810 | 22:28 |
| lcuk | DarkenCZ, there are a couple of prebuilt vmware images floating around at the moment which you could have a look at and see whats different to yours. hell you could just use them and compile happily for a while without all this. ive just downloaded a 4.1 image uploaded by keesj http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1282 | 22:28 |
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| DarkenCZ | lcuk: Thank you very much, I will try it | 22:30 |
| wazd | Is there any way to enlarge standard hildon tabs in height?) | 22:31 |
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| Atarii | pupnik thats awesome | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | wazd - isnt the style of the widget specified by the theme? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ie sizes | 22:33 |
| pupnik | still laughing at it Atarii :) | 22:33 |
| Atarii | its loading like a mule here so only about half way through :( | 22:34 |
| pupnik | i let it load then copied it out of /tmp to play with mplayer | 22:35 |
| wazd | lcuk, I actually don't know cause I'm not very fammiliar with Maemo UI developing tools :( | 22:36 |
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| Capn_Fish | Stskeeps: Here now? | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, :D the web guy is class | 22:41 |
| pupnik | "here's the thing: this... is a problem. you can't have people looking at this." | 22:41 |
| lcuk | the companies website was at the top of the penis | 22:44 |
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| Atarii | lol at his password "um its just the letter a" | 22:48 |
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| pupnik | Did you take down the website? "No" Nancy says you did. "Oh, um... Yeah" | 23:04 |
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| pupnik | man that brings back memories | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah hooker | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | spammers are back | 23:11 |
| wazd | pupnik, that was really hillarious :) | 23:15 |
| wazd | "i have no arrange by penis option" xD | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | :) | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | the proper vmware appliance (http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/) has not been updated for diablo yet, is it still ok to use for developing | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:53 |
| Atarii | doesnt diablo software ~= chinook software? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much, but that may be slightly more complicated development-side. | 23:55 |
| Atarii | also question: when creating a swap partition on external card, do i still need to check "enable virtual memory" in control panel? | 23:55 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, shouldnt be complicated at all initially should it? its tied to chinook repos | 23:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Atarii, not as much. look at the list of changes and you will see quite a few version numbers are higher than chinook | 23:55 |
| Atarii | oh ok | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | well then, ill ask - is there a full graphical vmware appliance for diablo? | 23:56 |
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| Atarii | lcuk was it you that suggested that 1.0.0.0 was ipv6 and hence troubles with my dns | 23:59 |
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| Atarii | ? | 23:59 |
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