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| RST38h | Maxim: this is what I have been going to suggest | 00:01 |
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| Maximander | okay, yeah, that worked. *Grumble* now i have to go install all my other packages again | 00:08 |
| Maximander | (I had alot of deps installed inside sb for building things) | 00:08 |
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| lardman | Atarii: ping | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, the wiki's getting more broken. :\ | 00:59 |
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| jmc93739653 | GeneralAntilles: Is it just outdated wiki content, or is the wiki getting spammed into oblivion? (I know they were moving the wiki from Midgard to MediaWiki, but I haven't kept up on any migration specifics aside from the initial mention....) | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spammed? | 01:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apparently the apache threads are segfaulting for some reason, but I don't think it has anything to do with spam. | 01:20 |
| jmc93739653 | (Like junk article commits or fake comments in the Talk entries for the articles.) | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where? https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges | 01:21 |
| lcuk | or it could just be an unstable server hosting box. it could be seriously underpowered and inside a vm on someones n770 | 01:21 |
| jmc93739653 | Gah, OK, Apache taking a dive isn't something that community initiative could instantly fix. | 01:21 |
| jmc93739653 | I thought it was just general wiki degradation . (Articles getting more and more out-of-sync with current events/realities.) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | the nokia guys might be using it as a quake server during night hours ;) | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know I would be. | 01:23 |
| lcuk | it works perfectly whilst you're asleep gen :P | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pizza Hut got cinnamon on my breadsticks. :< | 01:23 |
| m-vo | lcuk, we only play Mario Cart. | 01:25 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cart? Is that a Nokia fork? :P | 01:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | m-vo, still in progress, and you've seen some of it, but this might interest you. ;) https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager | 01:26 |
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| jmc93739653 | GeneralAntilles, the Column View looks *good*. | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 01:31 |
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| jmc93739653 | Might be easier for new users to grok since it would share many UI/UX concepts with Modest too. Tree View is tight too, but at first glace I didn't get that there were categories with their specific entrants beneath them. (That's what I get for looking at the screenshots and _then_ reading....) | 01:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jmc93739653, it'd probably be easier to understand when you have something tappable in front of you. | 01:37 |
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| fugitivo | hello | 01:39 |
| m-vo | GeneralAntilles, nice work! | 01:39 |
| m-vo | Haven | 01:39 |
| fugitivo | i'm trying to make a home plugin like the rss reader, I'm stuck in the alpha/cairo stuff, is any source code example in C? | 01:39 |
| m-vo | 't seen the page itself yet, but I saw the category mockups. | 01:40 |
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| m-vo | The only category view that has a chance with our UI style direction is the grid view. | 01:41 |
| m-vo | Pannable with kinetic scrolling, of course. | 01:41 |
| * lcuk smiles | 01:41 | |
| fugitivo | any idea? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | fugitivo, i think ive seen something during my wanders, but i really cant remember where | 01:42 |
| lcuk | try googling something like "maemo desktop applet c" .. | 01:43 |
| fugitivo | i found a lot of examples in python, but none in C | 01:43 |
| lcuk | m-vo, are you talking current device or pie in the sky future stuff | 01:44 |
| m-vo | future stuff | 01:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fremantle is sounding more and more interesting. . . . | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | need horsepower to do that though :) this is proper 3d transitions in qt then i gather | 01:45 |
| AStorm | m-vo: no pie menus? | 01:46 |
| acydlord | fremantle makes me think of frenulum for some reason | 01:46 |
| AStorm | acydlord: that's just you | 01:46 |
| acydlord | so good news | 01:46 |
| acydlord | the n810 can apparently take a 7 foot drop onto concrete without so much as a scratch | 01:46 |
| AStorm | acydlord: not really, screen is too fragile | 01:47 |
| AStorm | if it falls on the back, then yes | 01:47 |
| fugitivo | acydlord: my n810 was scratched by the car holder easily | 01:47 |
| acydlord | it fell on the left side | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Qt, lcuk? :\ | 01:48 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: it proves you can't use it properly | 01:49 |
| AStorm | anyway, I need to know how to build a working kernel with DVFS | 01:49 |
| lcuk | m-vo, have you seen the kinetic stuff ive done on current hardware? | 01:49 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: yeah right | 01:49 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: i forgot the tablets are for nerds and not for end users | 01:49 |
| AStorm | otherwise, it's no game and n810 is dead after 10h or so | 01:50 |
| lcuk | acydlord, was your keyboard out at the time - mine was and it cushioned the fall | 01:50 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: not really ;P | 01:50 |
| m-vo | i have seen some demos, not sure it was yours. | 01:50 |
| AStorm | they are sturdy | 01:50 |
| acydlord | keyboard was closed, popped open when it bounced | 01:50 |
| lcuk | book reading and sketching | 01:50 |
| lcuk | with a big graffiti wall :D | 01:50 |
| AStorm | acydlord: my n810 has had worse falls w/o damage, so? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 01:51 |
| AStorm | got my kickstand slightly bent | 01:51 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: using the car holder is too dificult, i can't do it, oh god why i'm so stupid! | 01:51 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: that sarcasm is lost on me :) | 01:51 |
| acydlord | i had the car holder on a belt clip for awhile | 01:51 |
| AStorm | you've admitted yourself ;P | 01:51 |
| acydlord | i wish someone made a slim abs belt holster, bastards | 01:52 |
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| fugitivo | acydlord: well | 01:52 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: why do you say freemantle is sounding more interesting? | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, lots of reasons. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just little hints here and there. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i have nominated one pocket to be nokia pocket, NOTHING else goes in it so theres nothing to scratch it | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff about PowerVR from LinuxTag | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | UI stuff from various places (bugzilla, mostly) | 01:53 |
| acydlord | lcuk, that would be my left pocket, or the right cargo on all my rei pants | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hint about Xorg on bugzilla. | 01:53 |
| m-vo | one thing that s seriously wrong with the Application manager, IMO, is that error messages about dependency problems are utterly inscrutable. | 01:53 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: I put my wallet and n810(in a case) in it | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just lots of small things. | 01:53 |
| fugitivo | acydlord: what do the girls think about that? | 01:53 |
| lcuk | back later | 01:54 |
| AStorm | m-vo: not all that bad | 01:54 |
| AStorm | but they could be better | 01:54 |
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| jmc93739653 | GeneralAntilles, I've been hoping the PVR rumors are more than just a whisper campaign. | 01:54 |
| acydlord | fugitivo, no idea, my belt already looks like batmans toolbelt with all the gadgets i carry around | 01:55 |
| AStorm | acydlord: ;P | 01:55 |
| AStorm | that's why I bought n810 - so that it wouldn't look like that | 01:55 |
| jmc93739653 | But Imagination Technologies have talked the Linux talk before, with less than demonstrable results. So, my optimism is guarded. | 01:55 |
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| fugitivo | well, i can't believe there's no source code example in C for home plugins using alpha transparencies | 01:56 |
| acydlord | i need to go more geek and buy a couple scott-E vests and gadget holsters | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | fugitivo, look at fiferboy's new applet? | 01:56 |
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| fugitivo | GeneralAntilles: err no, could you give me more info please? | 01:57 |
| fugitivo | acydlord: I recommend Urbantool stuff | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20945 | 01:58 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: it's just an alpha pixmap? | 01:58 |
| acydlord | i'll check that out fugitivo | 01:58 |
| AStorm | it works like fake or normal transparency on default desktops | 01:58 |
| acydlord | i still need to get a spare battery cover for my n810 so i can hack it into a wearable | 01:58 |
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| fugitivo | GeneralAntilles: does it work like the Rss plugin? because I saw some python plugins that just redraws the background and it's really ugly and slow | 01:59 |
| AStorm | acydlord: hm, might be hard to get | 01:59 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: that's not what i'm looking for | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's Python. | 02:00 |
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| fugitivo | GeneralAntilles: thanks, i'll look at it | 02:04 |
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| timeless | gan: so how's ohloh? | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much better | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The MicroB logo is better, too. | 02:23 |
| timeless | you didn't like mine? :( | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, it's beautiful, you just chose the crappy version. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Microblogo.png | 02:23 |
| timeless | heh | 02:23 |
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| AStorm | bee? why? :p | 02:24 |
| timeless | how many pages did you do? | 02:24 |
| timeless | http://www.ohloh.net/tags/maemo?page=6 seems somewhat unloved | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The first 3 or so | 02:25 |
| timeless | fwiw, i've just pulled in all the garage svn's | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest either really aren't worth my time or don't have logos. :P | 02:25 |
| timeless | the next time i find a way to use rsync between swift and sanjay, i'll do so | 02:25 |
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| timeless | and then mxr.maemo.org will have more current content :) | 02:25 |
| timeless | (and no disk space) | 02:25 |
| Kekerot | hey anyone know how to save an edited document in consoel | 02:26 |
| timeless | garage svn is 16gb + 5gb just for browser | 02:26 |
| summatusmentis | crap... I'm looking at these maemo logos... I'm screwed | 02:26 |
| Kekerot | I just edited a document but I have no clue how to end the editing and save it | 02:26 |
| timeless | kekerot: vi? | 02:26 |
| Kekerot | it just types that into the document | 02:26 |
| Kekerot | lol | 02:26 |
| fugitivo | Kekerot: editing with what? | 02:26 |
| timeless | is that the editor you're using? | 02:27 |
| Kekerot | xterminal | 02:27 |
| timeless | if so, hardware escape | 02:27 |
| timeless | xterminal isn't an editor | 02:27 |
| fugitivo | Kekerot: that's not a document editor | 02:27 |
| timeless | hardware escape | 02:27 |
| timeless | :wq | 02:27 |
| timeless | or | 02:27 |
| Kekerot | im trying to install mac changer | 02:27 |
| timeless | hardware escape | 02:27 |
| timeless | :q! | 02:27 |
| timeless | depending on whether you like your changes, or don't | 02:27 |
| aquatix | [the latter doesn't save your changes] | 02:27 |
| AStorm | knowing how to quit vi is the first step towards enlightenment ;) | 02:28 |
| Kekerot | im going to brick my n810 lol | 02:28 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: why? | 02:28 |
| * aquatix uses vim and knows how to quit emacs :P | 02:28 | |
| Kekerot | because i dont know wtf im doing in linux | 02:28 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: using and to KNOW that you're using vi is the first step :) | 02:28 |
| AStorm | if you see an editor w/o UI, 75% chance it's vi | 02:29 |
| AStorm | or some vi clone | 02:29 |
| AStorm | 15% chance it's a variant of ed | 02:29 |
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| fugitivo | it could be vi, joe, emacs, pico | 02:29 |
| AStorm | joe has ui | 02:29 |
| AStorm | emacs has ui | 02:29 |
| aquatix | nano! | 02:29 |
| AStorm | and pico definitely has ui | 02:29 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:29 |
| aquatix | ah | 02:30 |
| AStorm | nano has it too | 02:30 |
| aquatix | that kind of ui | 02:30 |
| * aquatix mostly ignores that | 02:30 | |
| fugitivo | well | 02:30 |
| AStorm | vim has exactly one line of ui ;P | 02:30 |
| fugitivo | "UI" | 02:30 |
| fugitivo | then vi also has ui | 02:30 |
| AStorm | no | 02:30 |
| AStorm | it doesn't print anything by default | 02:30 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:30 |
| fugitivo | yes it does | 02:30 |
| AStorm | it may have a status line, like vim | 02:30 |
| AStorm | but it's optional, only in newer versions | 02:31 |
| fugitivo | then it has ui | 02:31 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:31 |
| aquatix | you can type in it and read back your changes? | 02:31 |
| aquatix | then it has ui | 02:31 |
| fugitivo | it prints ~ on all non-used lines | 02:31 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: depends on the vi variant :) | 02:31 |
| aquatix | and it prints the filename on the last line | 02:31 |
| AStorm | some don't | 02:31 |
| aquatix | and the cursor position | 02:31 |
| fugitivo | line number | 02:31 |
| AStorm | aquatix: only new ones | 02:31 |
| aquatix | true | 02:31 |
| fugitivo | astorm: what is a new one for you? | 02:32 |
| AStorm | if you see one status line, it's definitely vi | 02:32 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: like, 15 years old | 02:32 |
| Kekerot | anyone know how to get roadmapper working? | 02:32 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: lol | 02:32 |
| AStorm | fugitivo: not lol, there are some Solaris systems around | 02:33 |
| fugitivo | AStorm: i'm an oldschool unix admin, but 15 years old is not new for me | 02:33 |
| AStorm | hehe | 02:33 |
| AStorm | old BSD vi is also funny, but has that status line | 02:33 |
| aquatix | elvis ftw | 02:33 |
| aquatix | ;) | 02:33 |
| AStorm | busybox vi can be configured to not have the status line to save space too | 02:33 |
| aquatix | anybody here programmed on minix? | 02:34 |
| * aquatix did | 02:34 | |
| aquatix | it was... interesting | 02:34 |
| aquatix | kickstarted me into vim though | 02:34 |
| aquatix | with its elvis vi clone | 02:34 |
| AStorm | ;P | 02:34 |
| Kekerot | how do you setup roadmap? it always says no maps are visible within a set of coordinates even though I used the getmaps app to download some | 02:35 |
| fugitivo | anyone tried navit? | 02:35 |
| * aquatix goes get some sleep | 02:35 | |
| aquatix | nn all | 02:35 |
| Kekerot | does navit have turn by turn directions? | 02:35 |
| fugitivo | yes | 02:36 |
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| Kekerot | man my n810 is all crazy now im going to have to reformat it | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you get for trying to rip off Navicore. ;) | 02:49 |
| Kekerot | i knew it would happen lol | 02:49 |
| Kekerot | you could just buy a gps for their sub price lol | 02:50 |
| Kekerot | if only roadmap worked | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper? | 02:50 |
| Kekerot | no i need a vector based turn by turn one | 02:51 |
| Kekerot | maemo seems pretty useless imo | 02:51 |
| Kekerot | maemo mapper i mean | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you figure? | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where else can you get navigation with satellite maps? | 02:53 |
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| lcuk_ | satellite is not always so clear when driving | 02:54 |
| Kekerot | it doesnt have rerouting | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does too. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, then press one button to switch to street. | 02:55 |
| Kekerot | without internet connection? | 02:55 |
| acydlord | you could buy several GPS unites for the price of navicore | 02:55 |
| timeless | how much is navicore? | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I have a cellphone. | 02:55 |
| fugitivo | Kekerot: try Navit | 02:56 |
| fugitivo | Kekerot: www.tecdencia.net/navit/ | 02:56 |
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| Kekerot | how do i get maps for it? | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, around $130 or so if I'm remembering correctly. | 03:00 |
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| hotwingz330 | hi, new here, and just got a 770. whats the best OS to use? | 03:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It depends | 03:02 |
| AStorm | hotwingz330: the one which works for you :) | 03:04 |
| hotwingz330 | it has os2006 out of box but the application manager is hanging | 03:04 |
| fugitivo | Kekerot: you can use garmin maps or openstreet, read the instructions | 03:06 |
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| hircus | hotwingz330: os2006 is officially supported; os2007 lets you run more applications but you're on your own | 03:21 |
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| fugitivo | os2006 is more stable | 03:24 |
| fugitivo | os2007 is a pain in the ass on the 770 | 03:24 |
| GAN800 | Not really. | 03:24 |
| fugitivo | yes it is | 03:24 |
| GAN800 | I found OS2007HE to be quite nice. OS2008HE is even better. | 03:25 |
| GAN800 | You HAVE to have swap enabled though. | 03:25 |
| fugitivo | i had | 03:25 |
| GAN800 | and upping the swappiness helps a lot too. | 03:25 |
| fugitivo | but too much problems, with os2006 everything was solved | 03:25 |
| GAN800 | Subjective. | 03:26 |
| fugitivo | now i have the n810, so no problems at all | 03:26 |
| GAN800 | personally, I can't stand OS2006 | 03:26 |
| fugitivo | i couldn't neither, but i needed stability | 03:26 |
| fugitivo | and os2006 gave me that | 03:26 |
| Kekerot | do you guys think the next tablet will be smaller or larger than the n810? | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kekerot, I certainly hope it isn't any smaller. | 03:28 |
| AStorm | what about the same size? | 03:28 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | smaller screen = lose | 03:28 |
| fugitivo | smaller, ipod like | 03:28 |
| AStorm | no, no, NO!!! | 03:28 |
| fugitivo | ipod touch like | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, the N810 being smaller than the N800 is a big negative point for me. | 03:28 |
| lcuk_ | smaller == mobile phone like. nahhhh | 03:28 |
| AStorm | if I wanted an iPod touch, I'd buy it | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | fugitivo is just pulling stuff out of his ass. | 03:28 |
| Kekerot | maybe its the size of the n810 but with no bevel and a huge screen lol | 03:28 |
| fugitivo | :) | 03:28 |
| lcuk_ | THINNER | 03:28 |
| Kekerot | they should use an oled display | 03:29 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: now, that would be almost good | 03:29 |
| AStorm | thinner would be fine | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, and give up more storage? No thanks. | 03:29 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: if you build them a 225dpi OLED, then sure | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 03:29 |
| Kekerot | has nokia used oleds before? | 03:29 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: there's more than enough space inside | 03:29 |
| lcuk_ | why? 2 or 4 micro sds would make me happy | 03:29 |
| AStorm | I wonder why they dropped the FM receiver | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, get back to me when you design a mobile device. ;) | 03:29 |
| AStorm | yup, µSD is nice | 03:29 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: there is a lot of space inside, really | 03:29 |
| AStorm | putting one or two chips more shouldn't be hard | 03:30 |
| Kekerot | lol | 03:30 |
| AStorm | esp. if they change miniSD to microSD | 03:30 |
| Kekerot | fm trasmitter would be good | 03:30 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: you mean receiver | 03:30 |
| Kekerot | and maybe a decent camera on the front and back | 03:30 |
| AStorm | transmitter is impossible | 03:30 |
| Kekerot | why | 03:30 |
| AStorm | camera... can't be too decent, it'd be too large | 03:30 |
| lcuk_ | we have radio transmitter already :) | 03:30 |
| AStorm | but slightly better, like 1mpix | 03:30 |
| lcuk_ | multiple infact | 03:30 |
| AStorm | 1,2mpix class webcam | 03:31 |
| lcuk_ | resolution isnt important, get the frikkin quality up | 03:31 |
| AStorm | yup | 03:31 |
| Kekerot | and more fps | 03:31 |
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| AStorm | Kekerot: no, CPU won't manage | 03:31 |
| AStorm | unless they put a damn lot of HW accell | 03:31 |
| Kekerot | wont the next cpu be more powerful | 03:31 |
| AStorm | *accel | 03:31 |
| Kekerot | omap3 | 03:31 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: dunno yet, OMAP3 is more powerful, but not like twice ;P | 03:32 |
| jmc93739653 | OMAP34xx? | 03:32 |
| GAN800 | The resolution is fine as-is. What we need is a sensor that can tell white from black and doesn't have a noise floor up to the ceiling. | 03:32 |
| lcuk_ | it does, the problem i see is the camera is being translated from YUV to RGB32 and then downgraded when the LCD can handle direct YUV and it can be saved as a movie at that | 03:32 |
| Kekerot | disable the display driver while recording for higher FPS lol | 03:32 |
| AStorm | heh, current one is just reddish and grainy | 03:32 |
| GAN800 | Almost certainly the OMAP3430 | 03:32 |
| * lcuk_ is frustrated by the camera so far | 03:32 | |
| AStorm | but not all that bad | 03:32 |
| * AStorm is frustrated by lack of software support for it | 03:32 | |
| GAN800 | OMAP3 can handle 12mp | 03:32 |
| Kekerot | I never use the camera on my n810 | 03:32 |
| AStorm | btw, need a camera on back, really | 03:32 |
| jmc93739653 | GAN800, Sweet. | 03:32 |
| AStorm | can't make pics otherwise | 03:32 |
| Kekerot | the camera placement on the n810 kinda sucks | 03:33 |
| jmc93739653 | A 45nm process OMAP 3430 would be awesome indeed. | 03:33 |
| AStorm | maybe a rotatable one on the left | 03:33 |
| AStorm | not ejected like in n800 | 03:33 |
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| lcuk_ | hubble space telescope has a resolution of 1024*1024 (if i remember rightly) - its not the resolution that makes great pictures, its the sensor quality | 03:33 |
| AStorm | but a flipflop | 03:33 |
| AStorm | maybe on the right (there's free space ;P ) | 03:33 |
| lcuk_ | you can have 240mpixel shots but if the sensor is too small you get noise | 03:33 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: definitely | 03:33 |
| Kekerot | lol yeah MEGAPIXEL MEGAPIXEL MEGAPIXEL! | 03:33 |
| jmc93739653 | I'm still drooling over the Beagle Board (http://beagleboard.org/) as an OMAP3 test-bed. | 03:34 |
| lcuk_ | just have 2 - most phones do it nowadays | 03:34 |
| AStorm | I'm talking optical resolution | 03:34 |
| lcuk_ | low resolution webcam, higher better quality main scene camera | 03:34 |
| AStorm | yes, that would be OK too | 03:34 |
| lcuk_ | one on both sides, even my £25 crapper of a phone has them | 03:34 |
| AStorm | so I could properly target the camera | 03:34 |
| Kekerot | http://techielobang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sony_oled_slim_1-thumb-450x337.jpg | 03:34 |
| Kekerot | i wanna see an oled in a mid | 03:34 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: then build a cheap one | 03:34 |
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| AStorm | we're all waiting for your plant to open | 03:35 |
| Kekerot | lol ok | 03:35 |
| jmc93739653 | With luck the BB will leave the JTAG port in release versions. | 03:35 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: trick is, resolution isn't as high as needed yet | 03:35 |
| AStorm | you can't get 225dpi with color oleds | 03:35 |
| AStorm | just yet | 03:35 |
| jmc93739653 | Kekerot: OLED would be very, very cool;but OLED's impending World Domination (tm) keeps missing release schedules. | 03:35 |
| AStorm | jmc93739653: it will come, but later | 03:36 |
| jmc93739653 | I remember reading in The Economist in '99 that OLED would be the New Hotness by 2005, and well, that didn't really happen ;) | 03:36 |
| leachim6 | I want to reflash os2006 on my 770 | 03:36 |
| leachim6 | where can I get the 2006 FIASCO | 03:36 |
| AStorm | and we'll get foldable displays, finally :D | 03:36 |
| Kekerot | they should make oled clothing | 03:36 |
| AStorm | jmc93739653: they started to appear at least | 03:36 |
| jmc93739653 | I'm totally smitten with Nokia's Morph concept. | 03:36 |
| Kekerot | like camosuits | 03:36 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: won't work | 03:37 |
| AStorm | any stupid heat sensor will detect you | 03:37 |
| AStorm | you'll glow like a lamp | 03:37 |
| AStorm | :P | 03:37 |
| leachim6 | remember reading in Economist in 1960 where they said we would all have hovercars and robots to do everything for us by 2000 | 03:37 |
| Kekerot | lol but versus poor insurgents its an advantage | 03:37 |
| AStorm | leachim6: we're close | 03:37 |
| jmc93739653 | I don't see Morph actually being profitable (or even mass producible) by 2010, though. 2015, maybe. | 03:37 |
| AStorm | we have one prototype hovercar | 03:37 |
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| AStorm | and some prototype general purpose robots | 03:37 |
| AStorm | ;P | 03:37 |
| Kekerot | well we have hovercars but they are not legal yet | 03:37 |
| AStorm | yup | 03:38 |
| lcuk_ | my dad flies each weekend | 03:38 |
| Kekerot | those moller skycars are crazy lol | 03:38 |
| AStorm | jmc93739653: unless we get foldable displays and the concept goes obsolete ;P | 03:38 |
| Kekerot | you can refuel at a gas station | 03:38 |
| Kekerot | http://gizmodo.com/390919/spreadable-electronics-oleds-and-solar-cells-sprayed-from-a-can | 03:39 |
| AStorm | blah blah, blah | 03:39 |
| AStorm | tell me when they start mass production | 03:39 |
| Kekerot | how would they control each pixel with something like this | 03:39 |
| Kekerot | lol | 03:39 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: simple, use indium oxide electrodes | 03:40 |
| lcuk_ | with a mask to create the required circuitry | 03:40 |
| AStorm | they're transparent | 03:40 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: no | 03:40 |
| lcuk_ | and multiple layers, come on | 03:40 |
| AStorm | indium oxide... although it is expensive | 03:40 |
| Kekerot | so they spray it on a circuit board? | 03:41 |
| AStorm | no, why? | 03:41 |
| AStorm | it has its own electrodes | 03:41 |
| AStorm | neatly sprayed | 03:41 |
| lcuk_ | inkjet :) | 03:41 |
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| jmc93739653 | Astorm: I thought Morph's screen was foldable? | 03:43 |
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| Kekerot | what games do you guys play on your tablets? | 03:44 |
| AStorm | jmc93739653: not just that | 03:44 |
| AStorm | the whole device | 03:44 |
| AStorm | Kekerot: who needs games? :P | 03:44 |
| Kekerot | bored travelers | 03:44 |
| Kekerot | with no movies or music | 03:44 |
| Kekerot | lol | 03:44 |
| lcuk_ | keterot im playing a wicked game of c coding. its very addictive, ive gotta fight the big end of level boss and get tearfree updates ;) | 03:45 |
| Kekerot | ive grown tired of crazy parking | 03:45 |
| Kekerot | lol | 03:45 |
| lcuk_ | try numptyphysics | 03:45 |
| Kekerot | are there any good rpgs available to us | 03:45 |
| jmc93739653 | lcuk_: I love thinking of coding like this. | 03:45 |
| lcuk_ | jmc93739653, thinking about it? or doing it? | 03:46 |
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| leachim6 | AStorm, yeah ...but they said it would be a mature technology by 2000 | 03:47 |
| leachim6 | someone give me a good artist to plug into last.fm ... I'm bored | 03:47 |
| jmc93739653 | lcuk_: either, coding as gaming | 03:47 |
| AStorm | leachim6: futurology | 03:47 |
| AStorm | they're always off a generation or so | 03:47 |
| lcuk_ | leachim6, you can buy yourself a powered vehicle today which will take you up into the sky right now :) | 03:48 |
| AStorm | time to finally consider colonizing Mars ;P | 03:48 |
| leachim6 | the point it .... it's neither practical or ubiquitous | 03:48 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: heh, if you can afford it *and* the special licence | 03:48 |
| leachim6 | yet | 03:48 |
| leachim6 | I say maybe another 20 years | 03:48 |
| lcuk_ | you can climb the highest mountain and fly back down, you can get into space in a metal can, you could go to other planets, all our goods are made by robots | 03:48 |
| leachim6 | That's true | 03:49 |
| lcuk_ | they were right :) | 03:49 |
| AStorm | haha | 03:49 |
| leachim6 | just not in the way they though :) | 03:49 |
| AStorm | but we have no domestic robots | 03:49 |
| jmc93739653 | lcuk_: most of my programming consists of maintenance or utilitarian scripting. One of the reasons I bought a Tablet was that it seemed more amenable to 'blue sky' development than server-side web development/integration. | 03:49 |
| AStorm | instead we'll have intelligent homes ;P | 03:49 |
| leachim6 | do you ? | 03:49 |
| leachim6 | 'cause I don't :_) | 03:49 |
| leachim6 | unless you count the thermostat on the air conditioner... | 03:50 |
| AStorm | however, that's been prediced too | 03:50 |
| AStorm | leachim6: we *will* have, not have already | 03:50 |
| AStorm | *predicted even | 03:50 |
| leachim6 | That is true ... the technology DOES EXIST | 03:50 |
| leachim6 | and that's what they predicted | 03:50 |
| AStorm | it is in use too, but not widespread enough | 03:50 |
| AStorm | too expensive still | 03:50 |
| AStorm | and not cool enough | 03:50 |
| lcuk_ | jmc93739653, :) blue sky is a nice idea - did you work in win or linux before (and obviously still) | 03:50 |
| leachim6 | that's the ubiquitous part | 03:51 |
| leachim6 | just saying | 03:51 |
| leachim6 | linux ftw! | 03:51 |
| leachim6 | 'cept that bug in PolicyKit in ubuntu hardy ... that sucks | 03:51 |
| AStorm | well, if I had these 10-20k$, I could make my house an intelligent one | 03:51 |
| AStorm | but... what's the point? | 03:51 |
| AStorm | for uber intelligence, I'd need 100k$ | 03:52 |
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| lcuk_ | just hire a maid | 03:52 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: that's the point | 03:52 |
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| leachim6 | AStorm, that's not true man | 03:52 |
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| AStorm | leachim6: what's not? | 03:52 |
| leachim6 | if you have enough tech know-how ... you can hack together some pretty sweet home-automation for about 500 bucks | 03:53 |
| AStorm | why do you need an intelligent toaster? | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | so I can run linux on my toaster! | 03:53 |
| AStorm | leachim6: not good enough | 03:53 |
| lcuk_ | cos i keep burning the toast! | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | or maybe FreeBSD... | 03:53 |
| AStorm | I know what I'm saying about | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | lcuk_, amen! | 03:53 |
| AStorm | just the cables will grab 500$ | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | I dunno man | 03:53 |
| AStorm | maybe more | 03:53 |
| lcuk_ | wireless is getting big nowadays | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | dude | 03:53 |
| lcuk_ | one day i think we will have small computers | 03:53 |
| AStorm | wireless is more expensive per device | 03:53 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:53 |
| leachim6 | where the hell are you buying your cables | 03:53 |
| lcuk_ | bluetooth | 03:54 |
| jmc93739653 | lcuk_: Mostly LAMP or Java. I'd use Linux (Ubuntu or Fedora) on my dev box, and Linux was by far the most prevalent production environ, but most of the work was platform agnostic. Usually boring "in-house" development to boot. | 03:54 |
| lcuk_ | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons | 03:54 |
| leachim6 | do the entire house in cat6 .... you can by a freaking quarter mile of that stuff for like 100 bucks ;) | 03:54 |
| AStorm | bluetooth will crowd the microwave band | 03:54 |
| AStorm | and die | 03:54 |
| AStorm | leachim6: yeah, sure | 03:54 |
| AStorm | it goes $1/m | 03:54 |
| AStorm | or more | 03:54 |
| AStorm | yes, more | 03:55 |
| AStorm | $2/m | 03:55 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:55 |
| lcuk_ | $499/m for the gold stuff | 03:55 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: where? :P | 03:55 |
| leachim6 | http://www.amazon.com/Cables-To-Go-43107-CAT6/dp/B000HDOD8A/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213923287&sr=8-5 | 03:55 |
| leachim6 | there's 500 feet for under a hundred bucks | 03:55 |
| AStorm | 500'? too little | 03:55 |
| jmc93739653 | AStorm: there's a chance that "white-space" services & gear might actually see the light of day in the US. (VHF & UHF TV bands.) | 03:55 |
| AStorm | that would be maybe 1/3 of the cabling | 03:55 |
| lcuk_ | http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9967991-1.html | 03:55 |
| AStorm | it's just 100m | 03:56 |
| leachim6 | 100m is less than 500 feet.... | 03:56 |
| AStorm | so, I know what I'm saying | 03:56 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:56 |
| AStorm | leachim6: not much less | 03:56 |
| AStorm | exactly 152.4m | 03:56 |
| AStorm | :P | 03:56 |
| leachim6 | wow ... that was really pricy | 03:56 |
| AStorm | that's not a whole lot | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270127 | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | $110 | 03:57 |
| AStorm | and you get to cut it | 03:57 |
| leachim6 | http://www.qualitycables.com/QB-CAT6-SOLID-BLUE.html | 03:57 |
| leachim6 | 1000 feet for 120 | 03:57 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: now, that's talking | 03:57 |
| AStorm | :) | 03:57 |
| leachim6 | I might buy this... | 03:57 |
| AStorm | ok, so, 200$ for cables | 03:57 |
| lcuk_ | bluetooth or broadband over electric thingy | 03:58 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: it's narrowband | 03:58 |
| AStorm | at most 10 Mbit ;) | 03:58 |
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| AStorm | bluetooth is slow too :) | 03:58 |
| AStorm | and will crowd at the number of devices you need | 03:58 |
| lcuk_ | we were talking about home automation, not broadcast quality video streaming | 03:59 |
| AStorm | yeah, but bluetooth would still crowd | 03:59 |
| AStorm | power line network is workable though | 04:00 |
| lcuk_ | well it does already, iyou probably have quite a cluster of BT around you | 04:00 |
| AStorm | no, just a few devices | 04:00 |
| AStorm | :) | 04:00 |
| AStorm | it would be nice to have it controlled by BT though | 04:00 |
| AStorm | not without additional security of course | 04:01 |
| lcuk_ | walking into a room with 8x0 in hand gives you control of the elements in that room | 04:01 |
| lcuk_ | just pair them, you are in your own home | 04:01 |
| AStorm | no, just pair and enter strong password | 04:01 |
| AStorm | :P | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't need BT for that. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just connect to the wifi network. | 04:01 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: wifi? | 04:01 |
| AStorm | more expensive | 04:01 |
| AStorm | but also possible | 04:01 |
| lcuk_ | less resolution - you would still be connected to previous room | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., wire up all the devices to the network, then have the N8x0 connect to the network with wifi. ;) | 04:02 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: sure | 04:02 |
| lcuk_ | ie it wouldnt know to show you the controls that are best around you | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could do that with BT proximity. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just stick a beacon in each room. | 04:02 |
| lcuk_ | in the lounge i want lights curtains and tv, but there isnt much use for the bog flusher | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No need for every freaking device to be BT. | 04:02 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: yup, exactly | 04:03 |
| lcuk_ | if theres a beacon might as well make it intelligent, its just a few control signals and info updates | 04:03 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: "just a few" multiply by some like 20-30 devices | 04:03 |
| lcuk_ | right, and how cheap can you get tiny java running bluetooth devices? think oldish mobiles... | 04:04 |
| AStorm | too expensive | 04:04 |
| lcuk_ | and wifi and computers isnt | 04:04 |
| AStorm | and you still need a lot of customization | 04:04 |
| AStorm | wifi isn't | 04:04 |
| AStorm | you set up one access point and that's all | 04:04 |
| AStorm | connect it to the power line network | 04:05 |
| lcuk_ | eh? the transport layer is irrelivent - the data app still has to be written | 04:05 |
| AStorm | yes | 04:05 |
| AStorm | but no need for Java | 04:05 |
| AStorm | embedded is cheaper | 04:05 |
| lcuk_ | a phone is just a nice low power device which happens to have the technology required - hell you could even use the cameras. and if hacked properly could make an excellent embedded node :) pennies per device, choose the right one write software targetting it (doesnt have to be java) and away you go | 04:08 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: embed a phone in the toaster | 04:08 |
| AStorm | yeah, that should do it, at 100$/unit cost ;P | 04:08 |
| AStorm | pennies per device - you must be joking | 04:09 |
| AStorm | note, we're not talking mass production here | 04:09 |
| AStorm | still, I could grab enough µCs for like, 200-300$ | 04:09 |
| lcuk_ | how many billions of these little microcomputers with lots of technology been made sold given away flushed lost dropped | 04:09 |
| AStorm | many, but not enough | 04:09 |
| AStorm | and it's hard to get them in bulk | 04:09 |
| lcuk_ | are you fixated on the toaster? im thinking general purpose monitoring nodes - you are right if you want talkie toaster :) easier to embed | 04:10 |
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| AStorm | lcuk_: trick is, there are really many devices | 04:14 |
| AStorm | starting from doors | 04:14 |
| AStorm | through whole kitchen (oven(s), fridge, dishwasher) | 04:14 |
| AStorm | etc. | 04:15 |
| AStorm | really a lot | 04:15 |
| AStorm | automatic blinds, lights etc. | 04:15 |
| AStorm | anyway, I've to go to sleep :) | 04:15 |
| lcuk_ | agreed, gnite | 04:15 |
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| Churl | hi | 04:43 |
| Churl | yay xchat works | 04:44 |
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| Churl | test | 04:45 |
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| Navi | Churl, I can't see what you're typing. | 04:46 |
| Churl | ut oh any hints? | 04:47 |
| GAN800 | Punch Navi in the mouth. | 04:48 |
| Churl | ppunch!!!!! | 04:48 |
| * Navi rolls on the floor, laughing. | 04:48 | |
| Churl | got you!! | 04:48 |
| Churl | i win | 04:49 |
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| admin_ | [SB2 maemo mistral20_armel] ronnie@ubuntuBoxx ~ $ af-sb-init.sh start | 05:58 |
| admin_ | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! | 05:58 |
| admin_ | Sample files present. | 05:59 |
| admin_ | /etc/osso-af-init/dbus-systembus.sh: line 37: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory | 05:59 |
| admin_ | Starting D-BUS session bus daemon | 05:59 |
| admin_ | /sbin/start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/dbus-daemon: No such file or directory (No such file or directory) | 05:59 |
| admin_ | /etc/osso-af-init/sapwood-server.sh: line 33: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory | 05:59 |
| admin_ | /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh: line 65: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory | 05:59 |
| admin_ | /etc/osso-af-init/clipboard.sh: line 30: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory | 05:59 |
| admin_ | any ideas? (sorry for flooding :D) | 05:59 |
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| admin_ | got it | 06:02 |
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| atul_ | Does Gecko Engine of Mozilla Firefox is available on maemo platform ? Who is working on XULRunner developement part on maemo ? | 06:59 |
| acydlord | it's the engine of the default browser in os2008 | 07:01 |
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| acydlord | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ | 07:02 |
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| ameng | Hi, the autoconf version in scratchbox is too low, how can i change a new one? | 08:10 |
| timeless | i think i posted instructions somewhere | 08:10 |
| timeless | but note that changing a new one won't do what you want | 08:11 |
| timeless | (it doesn't mean much of anything, which is a good reason for it to not do anything remotely useful..) | 08:12 |
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| atul | Gecko SDK How to install ? I extract tarball of same but it not come with make file so how to install it ? | 08:16 |
| atul | for maemo platform | 08:16 |
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| timeless | what was the url for this thing you downloaded? | 08:19 |
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| atul | Gecko SDK How to install ? I extract tarball of same but it not come with make file so how to install it ? | 08:39 |
| * timeless kicks atul | 08:39 | |
| atul | I Install XULRunner which says it come up with Gecko SDK but I didn't found Geck SDK in my home/usr/gecko-sdk ? | 08:39 |
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| timeless | what was the url for this sdk? | 08:39 |
| atul | timeless who ask you do u own work idiate ? | 08:39 |
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| timeless | please visit http://irchelp.org | 08:40 |
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| Sakkath[n800] | vids aren't working especially youtube says need flash oor js | 08:51 |
| Sakkath[n800] | can i reinstall the browers | 08:52 |
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| timeless | no, but you could enable flash | 08:54 |
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| timeless | click the magnifying glass, select components/plugins and check flash | 08:55 |
| timeless | this is documented in tabletschool (?) | 08:55 |
| Sakkath[n800] | tyvm sorry for shortcut typing in pda now | 08:55 |
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| timeless | hi dougt | 09:34 |
| timeless | happy midsummer or something | 09:34 |
| dougt | hey timeless; how are things? | 09:34 |
| timeless | i'm compressing my file system | 09:34 |
| AStorm | timeless: how? | 09:34 |
| AStorm | tell me, it would improve its speed drastically | 09:35 |
| timeless | astorm: zfs clone magic | 09:35 |
| AStorm | blah | 09:35 |
| AStorm | I thought, you're doing that on your N8x0 | 09:35 |
| timeless | the recommended way for n8x0 is: rsync+flash+rsync | 09:35 |
| AStorm | still, I need a kernel with working DVFS, duh | 09:35 |
| AStorm | timeless: for compression? no | 09:35 |
| timeless | which is kinda like what i'm doing here | 09:35 |
| AStorm | I meant, runtime compression | 09:36 |
| timeless | rsync+clone+rsync | 09:36 |
| timeless | astorm: jffs2 can fragment to **** | 09:36 |
| AStorm | fragmenting isn't a problem with flash | 09:36 |
| timeless | and i've been told the only fix is to reflash | 09:36 |
| AStorm | it even improves performance | 09:36 |
| AStorm | :) | 09:36 |
| AStorm | :) | 09:36 |
| timeless | astorm: no, there's a way for it to accumulate some very strange structure which is essentially unsolvable | 09:36 |
| timeless | if you want to watch my n800s boot, i can show you | 09:37 |
| AStorm | yes, there is | 09:37 |
| timeless | they take over a minute sitting at the boot screen | 09:37 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 09:37 |
| AStorm | intriguing | 09:37 |
| timeless | astorm: i spoke w/ the guys who work on this stuff | 09:37 |
| AStorm | sounds like a bug | 09:37 |
| timeless | their solution is "die jffs2 die" | 09:37 |
| AStorm | I actually need a compressed fs for MMC | 09:37 |
| timeless | ntfs :) | 09:37 |
| AStorm | so JFFS2 is entirely out of scope | 09:37 |
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| timeless | but anyway... | 09:37 |
| AStorm | yeah right | 09:37 |
| AStorm | *working* FS ;P | 09:38 |
| AStorm | and a kernel with DVFS which doesn't crash before booting | 09:38 |
| AStorm | w/o DVFS, n810 dies after a day | 09:38 |
| ameng | timeless: Can you give me your link about how to change autoconf of scratchbox? I cannot find it | 09:38 |
| timeless | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg15202.html | 09:39 |
| ameng | timeless: Thx | 09:39 |
| timeless | hrm, yeah you want message 3 in that thread, not 2 :) | 09:39 |
| timeless | ameng: please don't take this the wrong way, but how did you search? | 09:40 |
| AStorm | he's wrong about python | 09:40 |
| AStorm | the versions are backwards compatible | 09:40 |
| AStorm | unless you don't have packages reinstalled | 09:40 |
| timeless | not python 3 :) | 09:40 |
| AStorm | yes, not python 3 | 09:40 |
| timeless | not sure who he is :) | 09:40 |
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| AStorm | and that won't be linked /usr/bin/python in any short time, hopefully | 09:41 |
| timeless | ameng: because a search http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=autoconf+maemo-developers&l=maemo-developers%40maemo.org yields the right fix | 09:41 |
| ameng | timeless:ok | 09:42 |
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| chmac | Is there any way to kill the "presence" system tray icon? | 09:48 |
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| trickie | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/ is also a good interface for searching maemo-related stuffs | 09:56 |
| chmac | trickie: Cool, thanks, I'll check it out | 09:58 |
| timeless | trickie: oh, i'm not really advertising the service i picked, it's just the one google gave me when i searched | 09:58 |
| timeless | as far as i'm concerned, if you aren't using google, you're doing everything wrong | 09:58 |
| trickie | timeless: sure, i understand, maybe we should add a link to a mail archive in the subject | 09:59 |
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| timeless | the topic? last i checked it was *really* long | 09:59 |
| trickie | so then you can just say 'google, or see subject' when someone asks for info in a thread | 09:59 |
| trickie | yeah i know... just trying to find a way to not have to say the same ten times :) | 09:59 |
| timeless | i'd be fine w/ dropping linuxtag and sticking something else in its place | 10:00 |
| chmac | Anyone know what that icon is called, the one that shows my "presence" status? | 10:00 |
| chmac | I dare say it disappears if I delete all my accounts | 10:01 |
| trickie | chmac: yep | 10:01 |
| trickie | thats what i do :) | 10:01 |
| trickie | it annoys me also... | 10:01 |
| timeless | i think it's called presence :) | 10:01 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:04 |
| Khertan | is there someone here that have already use efl with python on maemo ? | 10:04 |
| gomiam | timeless: it seems it should be called "annoying presence", at least for trickie ;-) | 10:05 |
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| Khertan | does canola source code is closed ? | 10:07 |
| timeless | doesn't the package tell you that when you install it? | 10:07 |
| trickie | well you can always file a enhancement request @ bugzilla, i just don't use IM on my nokia enough to warrant any whinging :) | 10:07 |
| timeless | i just use google web apps instead | 10:08 |
| timeless | anyone know if y! is available for n8x0? | 10:08 |
| trickie | Khertan: the efl libs are open, canola specific code on top of that is closed | 10:09 |
| trickie | some related apps/daemons are open though | 10:09 |
| Khertan | thx | 10:10 |
| Khertan | in fact i m trying to use efl | 10:10 |
| Khertan | in one of my apps | 10:11 |
| Khertan | but it seems that i can t dev on device | 10:11 |
| Khertan | as building a .edj file need edje_cc wich need gcc | 10:12 |
| trickie | Khertan: you using the python bindings? should be able to with those | 10:12 |
| trickie | ah ok | 10:12 |
| trickie | i see | 10:12 |
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| Khertan | and in the same time i trying to learn a bit more about efl so i m looking at the most example i can see | 10:12 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: I see the package python-efl-utils_0.1.3-maemo3 ? | 10:12 |
| X-Fade | And python-efl-core_0.9.1.042-maemo3 | 10:13 |
| trickie | Khertan: can always use mamona :) | 10:13 |
| trickie | mamona is heavily based on the efl libs | 10:13 |
| Khertan | x-fade > yes there is python binding | 10:13 |
| trickie | and can get a recent-ish gcc on device | 10:13 |
| Khertan | but i cant build with this the edj file | 10:14 |
| X-Fade | hmmm ok. | 10:16 |
| Khertan | connection could drop | 10:16 |
| Khertan | sorry | 10:16 |
| Khertan | i m in the train | 10:16 |
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| gomiam | Khertan: oh, connected through GPRS? | 10:17 |
| gomiam | how much does it cost you? | 10:17 |
| Khertan | nothing as i use dns tunneling | 10:18 |
| Khertan | and so this isn't count | 10:18 |
| gomiam | oh | 10:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | Lol ;) | 10:18 |
| Khertan | else it s 1Euros for 1Mo | 10:18 |
| gomiam | now, I didn't know someone had already ported DNS tunnelling to the N8x0 family :-P | 10:19 |
| Khertan | or 69 euros for illimited data | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | Wow, that is expensive. | 10:19 |
| gomiam | Khertan: are you from a Spanish-speaking country, by any chance? | 10:19 |
| gomiam | (just curious) | 10:19 |
| Khertan | no france :) | 10:19 |
| Khertan | price is shame too | 10:20 |
| gomiam | oh, that was another option (using illimited instead of unlimited pointed to it;-)) | 10:20 |
| Khertan | strange edje_cc claim that it can t found gcc | 10:20 |
| Khertan | but .edj file is built and work | 10:21 |
| Khertan | i ve now a iphone like scrolling widget working | 10:21 |
| trickie | ha, well... cool! | 10:22 |
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| Khertan | i m looking efl to make a usefull google synced contact application | 10:23 |
| Khertan | and made a better gui for mcalendar | 10:23 |
| Khertan | kinetic scrolling this is the name of a such scroll | 10:24 |
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| trickie | Khertan: well for efl related questions #edevelop is good, lots of 'in-the-know' helpful people there | 10:28 |
| trickie | Khertan: or the indt guys also, i guess some lurk here too | 10:29 |
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| Traveler9 | amazing .....never knew this channel existed | 10:29 |
| Traveler9 | freenode is amazing | 10:29 |
| Traveler9 | even though i hate defocus | 10:29 |
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| Khertan | i ve also see a blog from a french guy that have made efl example | 10:33 |
| Khertan | and it say in his blog that he ve bought an n800 | 10:33 |
| Khertan | maybe i should ask him if he is interested by the project | 10:33 |
| Khertan | defocus ? | 10:36 |
| Traveler9 | just a channel i used to troll but have become ineffective at now | 10:37 |
| Traveler9 | i like to sit and contemplate my existence, drink beer, dream about killing my ex, skip my meds, call in sick to work, build stacks of matchsticks and fantasize about jailbait | 10:38 |
| acydlord | i do most of that without needing to be in an irc channel | 10:39 |
| Traveler9 | sometimes i count backwards from 6 to 0 repeatedly until i miss a number and than i force myself to do painful torturous things like duct taping my mouth shut and trying to lick my nose | 10:39 |
| Traveler9 | this is related to n800, i'm getting to it... | 10:39 |
| Traveler9 | lager is noteworthy because of yeast....yes...and yeast infections can be painful, just like erections that last more than 4 hours at a time... | 10:39 |
| Traveler9 | actually it isn't necessarily related to n800 other than randomly finding the channel on /list and looking at my nokia to my right and wishing i could reset to factory settings without having to flash it | 10:41 |
| Khertan | do you a gui that help to build .edc file like glade for gtk ? | 10:41 |
| gomiam | Traveler9: somehow I think you need to get back to the trolling academy for a refund. They have taught you nothing uselful. | 10:41 |
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| Traveler9 | so if you can help me find a cheerleader with knee high white socks, a vagina made out of cotton candy and a smile that can cure bipolar disorder that would be just fine, thanks | 10:42 |
| acydlord | i've had eliza bots that are more effective at trolling | 10:42 |
| Traveler9 | my life is so fscked | 10:43 |
| Traveler9 | i wake up to kernel panic | 10:43 |
| gomiam | acydlord: I have had 5 year olds that are more effective at trolling XD | 10:43 |
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| Khertan | where is the ignore option in maemo xchat ? | 10:44 |
| Traveler9 | 800/5=160 | 10:44 |
| acydlord | doesnt /ignore work? | 10:44 |
| Traveler9 | *9=1440 | 10:44 |
| Khertan | found :) | 10:44 |
| Khertan | yes ! | 10:44 |
| Khertan | arg this doesn t work ! | 10:45 |
| acydlord | lol | 10:45 |
| Traveler9 | i hate you all and hope you burn in hell | 10:45 |
| acydlord | ignore worked fine for me | 10:46 |
| acydlord | unless he had an anurism | 10:46 |
| acydlord | a horribly misspelled one | 10:47 |
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| Khertan | do you a gui that help to build .edc file like glade for gtk ? | 10:48 |
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| Khertan | +a know | 10:49 |
| acydlord | i dont know of any | 10:50 |
| acydlord | i havent played around with edc yet =x | 10:50 |
| Khertan | it seem s to be a great thing to make nice gui | 10:51 |
| Khertan | as u can see i m playing with it since 30min | 10:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:52 |
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| trickie | Khertan: i have never used one, but i think there are | 10:55 |
| Khertan | it seems there is a edje_editor | 10:55 |
| trickie | ye | 10:55 |
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| Khertan | but not yet port to maemo :( | 10:55 |
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| Khertan | i ve ported glade so why not edje_editor :) | 10:58 |
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| trickie | for sure :) | 10:58 |
| trickie | would be handy | 10:58 |
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| Khertan | bye | 11:03 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Anyone familiar with Canola? | 11:12 |
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| trickie | Spaceman-N810: #canola | 11:13 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Tried there, its dead | 11:14 |
| trickie | Spaceman-N810: well most of those guys are in brazil | 11:15 |
| trickie | so probably asleep | 11:15 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Ah | 11:15 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Thanks | 11:15 |
| trickie | np | 11:15 |
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| Spaceman-N810 | Ok, im back, i already asked this in pidgin and they sent me back here... How do i make pidgin emit a sound for received messages all the time, not just when the window is focused? | 11:25 |
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| Deka | Uncheck "sounds when conversation has focus" | 11:28 |
| Spaceman3750 | But then does that completely disable sounds Deka or enable them outside of window focus? | 11:31 |
| Deka | The latter, I think | 11:31 |
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| Spaceman3750 | thx | 11:32 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: sound like you were right | 11:35 |
| lardman | lcuk_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 | 11:35 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I know, I should send emails during the day :) | 11:36 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: That is no news from what you were told in Berlin ;) | 11:39 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I heard it a different way | 11:39 |
| lardman | X-Fade: wishful thinking on my part I expect | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | lardman: And is this really a x-server bug anyway? :) | 11:40 |
| lardman | No, I don't think so, but iirc the x-server needs a patch to work with the powervr... | 11:40 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: And I thought that a definitive answer was going to be given at the summit? | 11:42 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: That was also my thought; but now I'm not sure if that's to be an answer about future platforms | 11:43 |
| * lardman is confused | 11:43 | |
| lardman | happens in the morning ;) | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I think that Daniel doesn't know that plan ;) | 11:44 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ok, that's fine. I was going to reply, but I'll leave it be for the time being (but know that I'm still keen, and no so keen on having to rev eng the thing) | 11:44 |
| trickie | X-Fade: yeah but he would know if they are planning a driver etc for the existing devices, i would guess anyway | 11:45 |
| lardman | trickie: There is a working driver already | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | trickie: And do you think we has allowed to tell you about that? :) | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | *he | 11:45 |
| trickie | X-Fade: no, but going out of his way to say there are no plans is not the same as saying there is plans | 11:46 |
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| trickie | if that sentence even makes sense :) | 11:46 |
| lardman | trickie: I think he may have gone off half cocked | 11:46 |
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| trickie | anyway, im not whinging... just interested to see what happens | 11:46 |
| lardman | and is now trying to patch the problem | 11:46 |
| trickie | :) | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Btw, did you read the post by one indt guy about 3d having the same tearing problems? | 11:46 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I remember seeing it, yes | 11:47 |
| lardman | X-Fade: but that's expected I suppose, depending on how much data we're trying to push to the lcd controller | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | I'm still thinking there is also a technical difficuty besides the driver etc. | 11:47 |
| trickie | lardman: the driver was the one that kate said she had looked at? but it was messy or something and they didn't have the IP on it or something | 11:47 |
| trickie | or am i mistaken | 11:48 |
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| lardman | yeah that's the one | 11:48 |
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| lardman | messy and crashes iirc | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, that is obviously not something you want to put on your consumer devices then. | 11:49 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: Absolutely, and that's why I was talking about developers having access to alpha/beta software... :) | 11:50 |
| trickie | yeah that would be cool, some sort of develop program, where you sign away your right to whinge about broken devices :) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Oh, yeah that would be sweet ;) | 11:50 |
| trickie | id be in | 11:50 |
| lardman | :) | 11:50 |
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| lardman | I don't suppose anyone knows a web page/site which gives the mathematical derivation going from a simple DCT equation to an integer implementation? | 11:56 |
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| gomiam | lardman, let me check | 11:57 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: What, what, what? :) | 11:57 |
| lardman | gomiam, X-Fade: Am trying to get my head around the SBC implementation, and comparing it to what is says in the spec, so I can write some DSP optimisations | 11:57 |
| gomiam | do you want it in C or something else? | 11:57 |
| lardman | gomiam: doesn't matter really, C ideally though | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone else having problems svn committing to garage projects? i can extract just fine, just not committ | 11:58 |
| timeless | what error do you get? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | none, it just stalls on commit | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | re checked out the project, tried again, same problem | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | had a PROPFIND 302 Found problem at some point too | 11:59 |
| gomiam | lardman: could http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Debuggers/Framewave-36409.shtml be a pointer to it? | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | lardman: If I read things like this, I really find out that I'm bad at math ;) http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node231.html | 12:00 |
| lardman | X-Fade: That describes what a DCT is, thanks, but I'm after what twekery people do to get it running quickly in integer form | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: http://rafb.net/p/pBHBV832.html <- from a totally different machine, just checked out project | 12:02 |
| lardman | gomiam: I have a feeling that will be nicely optimised code, but still no idea how it gets to that point | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | lardman: yeah, I know. | 12:02 |
| lardman | I guess I'll have to sit down with a pencil and see what it's doing | 12:02 |
| gomiam | mmm... oh, you want to know how and why they do each optimization | 12:02 |
| gomiam | now that's a lot of documentation ;-) | 12:02 |
| lardman | gomiam: yeah, are there courses about that stuff? | 12:04 |
| gomiam | no idea, sorry. | 12:04 |
| lardman | Ah, better is to look at the svn history and hope the first commit wasn't made by an optimisation guru; fingers crossed | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: and /test2.txt is obviously 404 | 12:04 |
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| lardman | my mind has gone blank, can anyone remember what the sbc encoder used to be called before it was merged into Bluez-utils? | 12:06 |
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| lardman | ah, libsbc | 12:07 |
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| lardman | ah good, that has worked | 12:12 |
| lardman | far less bitshifting trickery in there | 12:13 |
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| L0c|e51 | Re | 12:41 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:43 |
| Spaceman-N810 | Morning florian | 12:44 |
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| L0c|e51 | Isn't good do an 'apt-get update' followed by an 'apt-get upgrade' ? | 12:47 |
| L0c|e51 | I've just done it and my n800 reboot continuosly :-( | 12:49 |
| gomiam | L0c|e51: mmm... you will need to reflash it then | 12:49 |
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| gomiam | you probably upgraded too many things | 12:50 |
| gomiam | I got burned once like that | 12:50 |
| gomiam | and now I'm paranoid | 12:50 |
| Khertan | does the housekeeper have shutdown electricity power on repository.maemo.org ? | 12:50 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:50 |
| gomiam | I check most of the upgrades' sources before installing them. | 12:50 |
| gomiam | (sources: read repositories, via apt-cache policy packagename) | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Works for me? | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | I don't think the server is closed for 'Juhannus' ;) | 12:52 |
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| L0c|e51 | Sigh | 12:56 |
| L0c|e51 | So i must reflash... | 12:57 |
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| L0c|e51 | No way to reset my n800 without pc ? | 12:58 |
| gomiam | L0c|e51: not that I know of. | 12:59 |
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| L0c|e51 | I'm on vacation :-( | 13:00 |
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| timeless | http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=A_Floppy_named_lsadkfjalhkjh.txt | 13:09 |
| timeless | ^ why modality is useful, sadly people here are only now starting to learn that lesson | 13:09 |
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| lardman | re | 13:23 |
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| timeless | andre? | 13:33 |
| andre___ | yes? | 13:33 |
| andre___ | you're really on track with reading mail it seems :) | 13:33 |
| timeless | i'm actually current! | 13:34 |
| timeless | i haven't been current in um... | 13:34 |
| timeless | i can't remember being current | 13:34 |
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| andre___ | heh | 13:34 |
| timeless | which means i have time to yell and scream at a bunch of api/ui spec authors | 13:35 |
| timeless | public and private | 13:35 |
| timeless | so, why did i want to ping you | 13:35 |
| timeless | oh yes, you're bug jar, right? | 13:35 |
| timeless | could you please create a blog for bug jar | 13:35 |
| timeless | so that those of us who've unsubscribed from maemo-devel can still read your bug jar | 13:35 |
| andre___ | haven't sent any public ones yet, still discussing the format and requirements | 13:36 |
| timeless | ? | 13:36 |
| timeless | api/ui spec is unrelated to this | 13:36 |
| timeless | i just want to be able to subscribe to an rss feed for bug jar | 13:36 |
| timeless | just the same content that you currently send to maemo-devel | 13:36 |
| andre___ | again: i haven't send content to maemo-devel :-) | 13:36 |
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| andre___ | stephen gadsby sends a weekly bug jar | 13:36 |
| andre___ | which is quite cool btw | 13:37 |
| timeless | ok, pass the request to him :) | 13:37 |
| timeless | sorry, clearly my memory isn't perfect :) | 13:37 |
| andre___ | hehe... give me another two weeks to improve the format and to talk to stephen (i don't want to offend contributors by stealing them work) | 13:38 |
| * timeless shrugs | 13:38 | |
| timeless | that's two weeks i'm not reading bug jars | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | timeless: It is posted on itt too ;) | 13:38 |
| andre___ | they are on itt too | 13:38 |
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| andre___ | yupp :) | 13:38 |
| timeless | grrr | 13:38 |
| sp3000 | heh | 13:39 |
| timeless | andre: x-fade knows how much i hate itt, and is just rubbing it at me | 13:39 |
| timeless | i don't know if you do | 13:39 |
| timeless | woohoo, garage xref finished (no idea when, i suppose i could read the logs) | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | timeless: Google -> site:lists.maemo.org bug jar | 13:40 |
| andre___ | haha. i try to read it regularly though there's still plenty of chance to improve my behaviour :) | 13:40 |
| inz | am i not the only one disliking itt? | 13:40 |
| timeless | x-fade: yeah yeah | 13:40 |
| timeless | inz: definitely not, but have you unsubscribed from maemo-devel? | 13:40 |
| * timeless smiles | 13:40 | |
| timeless | my workstation has 51g of free space (and growing) | 13:40 |
| timeless | it was just about out of space a week ago | 13:40 |
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| aquatix | timeless: you've been pruning your pr0n^H^H^H^Hanime collection? | 13:41 |
| AStorm | his pr0n == anime | 13:41 |
| aquatix | ah | 13:41 |
| aquatix | hentai :) | 13:41 |
| timeless | aquatix: no, i have weekly source xrefs | 13:41 |
| timeless | like mxr.maemo.org/chinook/ | 13:41 |
| timeless | but for the entire product | 13:41 |
| timeless | at this point, they're about 1.2g per week | 13:42 |
| timeless | and i'm not losing data | 13:42 |
| aquatix | ah, ouch | 13:42 |
| timeless | i'm just asking my os to cooperate w/ its file system to recognize when data is the same | 13:42 |
| timeless | and only retain one copy of the bits | 13:42 |
| aquatix | cool | 13:42 |
| aquatix | automatic hardlinking | 13:42 |
| timeless | so 1.2gb becomes a delta of <400m | 13:42 |
| * aquatix needs to find out how to do that too | 13:43 | |
| timeless | something like that, yeah | 13:43 |
| timeless | zfs :) | 13:43 |
| aquatix | ah! | 13:43 |
| inz | timeless, no, I have not | 13:43 |
| aquatix | myeah | 13:43 |
| inz | timeless, if I did that, I'd get around 2 hams/week | 13:43 |
| timeless | ~timeless/bin/rsync -a --inplace --del -c diablo-38/ nokia-maemo && time zfs snapshot root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo@diablo-38 && time zfs rename root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38 root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38-old && time zfs clone root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo@diablo-38 root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38 && time zfs destroy root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38-old | 13:43 |
| timeless | is basically what i do | 13:43 |
| timeless | although the number 38 is contrived | 13:43 |
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| * timeless is still archiving chinook | 13:43 | |
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| * timeless should try to fix the paths someday, since that stuff isn't svn managed | 13:46 | |
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| hellwolf | I installed canola2 on OS2008, and I can't find any clue of using daap share to listen to the music on my laptop | 13:54 |
| hellwolf | I saw some pictures, they have "shared music" column, which I don't have on my N800 | 13:55 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ... again :) | 13:57 |
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| dennis_mips | hello | 14:02 |
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| Khertan_ | hi dennis_mips | 14:04 |
| lardman | ssvb: ping | 14:04 |
| ssvb | hi lardman | 14:04 |
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| lardman | did you see my second email about the patch? | 14:04 |
| lardman | iirc the kernel on the n8x0 lies about the framebuffer size | 14:05 |
| dennis_mips | I need some advice: I want to use alsa for a sound application, but none of the examples from http://equalarea.com/paul/alsa-audio.html do wrok. When using default for the device name, I get: device or resource busy and for plughw:0,0 : cannot open audio device plughw:0,0 (No such file or directory) | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_ | is there a video capture app to capture screen on nit ? | 14:05 |
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| ssvb | lardman: that was just nitpicking :) your patch obviously makes some part of code redundant and this looks a bit suspicious | 14:06 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I'll have another look at the code and see what was happening; I guess I should really fix the code that specifies the framebuffer size so it's correct for that fn | 14:06 |
| dennis_mips | does alsa work with cinook ? | 14:07 |
| lardman | the give-away would be if we see that message in dmesg on a standard machine | 14:07 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: yes | 14:07 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: what are you trying to do? | 14:08 |
| lardman | ssvb: Do you have any pointer for how to comvert DCT into optimised code? | 14:09 |
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| ssvb | lardman: there is c55x image library, it is in '-l$(CCS_DIR)/ccs221_content/c5500/imglib/55ximagex.lib' | 14:10 |
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| dennis_mips | lardman: I am just trying to capture sound from the mic and then try to output it on the speakers | 14:11 |
| lardman | ssvb: yeah, this is for audio, I know there is dsplib but I'm trying to work out what the sbc code is doing first | 14:11 |
| Khertan_ | bye | 14:11 |
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| lardman | dennis_mips: what about gstreamer? | 14:12 |
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| dennis_mips | first I have written some code myself, but it doesn't work, because snd_pcm_open fails with the above error and then I just used the examples from the alsa tutorials, but I get the same error | 14:13 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ | 14:13 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: to heavy and there is just one element to get to the raw audio data for encryption etc. | 14:14 |
| lardman | I meant use the code | 14:15 |
| * timeless grumbles | 14:15 | |
| timeless | this is a really lame readme: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/vmcontents/README?root=maemovmware&view=annotate | 14:15 |
| dennis_mips | lardman : I meant too heavy | 14:15 |
| aquatix | timeless: :/ | 14:15 |
| dennis_mips | I take a look at it ... thnx | 14:15 |
| dennis_mips | does it work on a n810, because there is just a port for n800 | 14:15 |
| timeless | aquatix: i'm doing spot checks of the next mxr.maemo.org/garage push | 14:16 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: Should work fine as it uses gstreamer | 14:16 |
| aquatix | timeless: i guess you aren't getting happier from it ;) | 14:16 |
| timeless | mxr is functioning properly | 14:16 |
| timeless | it's just garbage in, garbage out | 14:17 |
| aquatix | *g* | 14:17 |
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| dennis_mips | lardman: i need a function in my program which capotures the data from the mic and then process this adata ... this needs to be done in realtime for a communication that's why I can't use another progarmm and gstreamer is a bit heavy | 14:19 |
| dennis_mips | doess a program exists which is based on alsa so I can take a look at their sourcecode ? | 14:20 |
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| lardman | I've no idea, there's a plugin for Python, but they all use a DSP task to read the data from the mic afaik, so you'll probably have to hack together an interface to the task if you don't use gstreamer | 14:20 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: what exactly is a dsp taks ? | 14:21 |
| lardman | a task which runs on the DSP | 14:21 |
| dennis_mips | do you mean this: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ for example ? | 14:22 |
| lardman | yes, it uses the dspgateway | 14:23 |
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| lardman | dennis_mips: what do you want to do with your audio data then? | 14:23 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: I need to encrypt it for a secure communication with another maemo device | 14:24 |
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| dennis_mips | it is for a university project and they told us to use alsa or gstreamer and my group decided to go with alsa and now we're kind in a mess | 14:26 |
| lardman | :) | 14:26 |
| lardman | can you simply open /dev/dsp? | 14:26 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: I double that any clever decoder optimizations can help if slow memory accesses eat all the resources | 14:27 |
| lardman | ssvb_: I think it's the decoder which is slowing things down actually, not the memory accesses | 14:27 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: have you tried putting as much of the critical data into internal memory (buffers on stack and allocated with malloc) | 14:28 |
| lardman | ssvb_: no, not yet | 14:28 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: why are you getting such idea? | 14:28 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: /dev/dsp doesn't exist on our n810, just /dev/dsptaskX X={0,...,20} | 14:28 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: my benchmarks showed that memory performance is really horrible, slowing down code up to 10x factor | 14:28 |
| lardman | ssvb_: I may allocate the coefficient tables there, and I probably need to rewrite the actual working code, which currently seems to use lots of bit shifts, to use intrinsics instead | 14:28 |
| Khertan | someone have shutdown maemo repository ? | 14:28 |
| lardman | ssvb_: Ok, I'll move the data if possible | 14:29 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: so the number crunching part is irrelevant | 14:29 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: ok, so you can't read raw data like that then | 14:29 |
| lardman | ssvb_: performing the copies, but not doing the crunching speeds up the code by ~2x | 14:29 |
| lardman | ssvb_: though I see what you're saying, I'll try moving the working data to internal memory | 14:30 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: what device does gstreame use ? | 14:30 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: also memcpy is slow | 14:30 |
| lardman | ssvb_: That was my nect question, is there a point where it's not worth doing the move? | 14:30 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: it copies data using 16-bit memory accesses | 14:30 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: You can't access it directly, one of the pcm ones | 14:30 |
| lardman | ssvb_: ah ok, so do a cast pointer copy instead then is faster | 14:31 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: copying 32-bit data will improve performance twice, but data needs to be 32-bit aligned | 14:31 |
| lardman | ssvb_: that can be done with a #pragma iirc | 14:31 |
| Khertan | huhu the macosx ardagent have just been published | 14:32 |
| Khertan | lol | 14:32 |
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| Khertan | 1 years later ! | 14:32 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: memcpy has a generic code which does 16-bit copies and it is perfectly fine for DARAM/SARAM | 14:32 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: but it is nonoptimal for external SDRAM memory | 14:32 |
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| lardman | ssvb_: Ok, thanks | 14:33 |
| dennis_mips | so does a maemo package for gstreamer-plugins-bad exists ? | 14:33 |
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| lardman | dennis_mips: You already have the required plugins on the device, look and see what the maemo-recorder code does | 14:36 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: or did you want to interface with the dsp task directly? | 14:36 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: copying with 'void memcpy32(uint32_t *dst, uint32_t *src, int count) { while (--count >= 0) {*dst++ = *src++; } }' is the fastest what I could get | 14:36 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: in which case you will have troubles as there's a missing header | 14:36 |
| * lcuk_ grumbles and curses about having second hybrid engine in car but not able to use it | 14:36 | |
| * lcuk_ hunts for his screwdriver | 14:36 | |
| lardman | ssvb_: looks good, that's what I meant by pointer copying | 14:37 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: and it makes sense moving data to internal memory using this memcpy32 function, process it there and write results back to sdram | 14:37 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, i did see the clarification, at least we know totally now | 14:38 |
| lardman | ssvb_: I probably need to read in 256 8bit bytes, and write out ~73 8bit bytes | 14:38 |
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| lcuk_ | ssvb_, have you looked at optimising to use double precision memory copies or even the SIMD ASM instructions? | 14:39 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: yes, I just posted this code to be sure that we understand each other | 14:39 |
| lcuk_ | (i considered it for my blit but never got round to it) | 14:39 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I'm not sure there are SIMD memory copy instructions | 14:39 |
| ssvb_ | lcuk_: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/fastmem-arm9/?root=mplayer | 14:40 |
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| ssvb_ | lcuk_: that's the best what I could get | 14:40 |
| ssvb_ | lcuk_: I don't think that double precision floating point memory copy instructions would change performance much, but I can try it | 14:41 |
| dennis_mips | lardman: I "only" need to find a way to get raw audio data from the microphone and send them to the soundcard for output later on ... | 14:41 |
| lardman | ssvb_: spru376a.pdf ch 3.4.4 Using Long Data Accesses for 16-Bit Data | 14:43 |
| ssvb_ | lardman: yes | 14:43 |
| rm_you | I would love if the n800 could record to mp3 :P dunno if that is possible though | 14:43 |
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| t_s_o | the more i play with maemo mapper, the more i find that a quick way to manually download tiles for whatever area is on screen at the moment would be perfect. having to dig into the meny, a sub menu and then a dialog vindow is just silly when all you want to do is hit ok on that dialog window... | 14:44 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: only :D, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/g/gst-plugins-dsp0.10/ enjoy | 14:44 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: They will not build as they lack a header; look at how ssvb has managed to get the mp3sink to work with mplayer (see the Garage project) to get an idea of what you might need, perhaps | 14:46 |
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| sp3000 | indeed it does | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/exp_survey.xhtml | 15:24 |
| timeless | um | 15:24 |
| timeless | the survey can't even spell 770 correctly | 15:24 |
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| timeless | did anyone yell at someone about that? | 15:24 |
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| rm_you | sp3000: hrm, this isn't actually the exact thing i was looking for, i remember doing it by hand before... but this looks very interesting and I will probably end up using it :) | 15:28 |
| corq-FL | argh I'm in a white screen boot/reboot loop on the n810 - ideas or links to fix appreciated | 15:30 |
| corq-FL | I have removed battery etc | 15:31 |
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| AStorm | corq-FL: which version of OS2008? | 15:33 |
| AStorm | if it's older than 2007.50, upgrade | 15:33 |
| ssvb | lardman: looks it is some special day, got freezes twice on my laptop :( | 15:34 |
| * timeless ponders | 15:34 | |
| timeless | has anyone here posted the quick start guide? | 15:34 |
| timeless | i want to browse through it :) | 15:34 |
| corq-FL | latest I believe but I'm trying to see if I can get into re-flash mode now | 15:34 |
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| AStorm | you should be able to | 15:34 |
| AStorm | hold the home key while powering the tablet up | 15:35 |
| corq-FL | I see the usb symbol and the boot screen getting no further, I don't have the pc flash software loaded here tho | 15:35 |
| AStorm | good | 15:35 |
| AStorm | so you can flash no | 15:36 |
| AStorm | *now | 15:36 |
| AStorm | download either windows flasher (poor) or linux one | 15:36 |
| lcuk_ | ssvb, unaligned access on 810 doesnt seem to hamr it that much, i drop roughly 1/2 frame total if everything starts unaligned | 15:36 |
| corq-FL | ok I've done that before I've just never had white screen, thought I'd hosed the thing | 15:36 |
| lcuk_ | and the blit routine i have still shows me wanting to fix unaligned http://pastebin.ca/1051877 | 15:37 |
| corq-FL | I feel better now, I don't mind a flash "cleaning" now and then ;) | 15:37 |
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| corq-FL | AStorm, thx :) | 15:37 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: what kind of unaligned access? | 15:37 |
| lcuk_ | 32bit memory copies on unaligned boundaries | 15:38 |
| AStorm | yeah, that case is fast in arm | 15:38 |
| AStorm | due to thumb CPU optimizations | 15:38 |
| AStorm | it's quite good at unaligned accesses | 15:38 |
| lcuk_ | yer, at first i was worried and wrote my blit exclusively for aligned but during testing realised it wasnt that big a deal (used to 68k which would crawl | 15:39 |
| ssvb | AStorm: how fast is it on 810 in MB/s? | 15:39 |
| AStorm | ssvb: speed of what? | 15:39 |
| AStorm | unaligned accesses? would have to check | 15:39 |
| ssvb | AStorm: speed of memory copy | 15:39 |
| AStorm | you should only lose like, 10-15% | 15:39 |
| lcuk_ | AStorm, that ties in with what ive seen | 15:40 |
| ssvb | AStorm: the fastest performance for copying memory that you can get is ~140MB/s | 15:40 |
| ssvb | AStorm: if you are only 10-15% slower than 50MB/s for example, your code is suboptimal :) | 15:41 |
| lcuk_ | what if you fillup regs or use simd? | 15:41 |
| lcuk_ | or is that the actual hardware memory controller top speed | 15:42 |
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| AStorm | ssvb: no, not that low :) | 15:42 |
| AStorm | lcuk_: hmm, never tried simd | 15:43 |
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| lcuk_ | well it is designed for this :) | 15:43 |
| AStorm | ssvb: although, I only got like 110 MB/s (rough estimate from number of iterations) | 15:43 |
| lcuk_ | i just dont have knowledge yet of asm | 15:43 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: the code fragment you have posted is really horrible from the performance point of view | 15:44 |
| lcuk_ | ssvb, xv colorplane copying, its async isnt it - i noticed when i did first test with image blitting. the greys go over first then the colorplanes. i really need to see what i can get out of using direct omapfb | 15:45 |
| lcuk_ | it got me over 25fps at full resolution so i stopped optimizing :) | 15:45 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: yes, xv is async | 15:45 |
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| lcuk_ | the 2 areas that could be optimized easily using asm was tricky to get c to cast and increment by the correct amount so i reverted to numeric increments.. | 15:49 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: you don't need asm to optimize this code, the first change would be to get rid of switch in the inner loop | 15:50 |
| dennis_mips | thanks for the help ! | 15:50 |
| lcuk_ | / eventually do this with a -- to remove the constants: if(!(dx--)){ ... } | 15:50 |
| lcuk_ | i know... | 15:50 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: I mean you con optimize it a lot even without asm | 15:50 |
| lcuk_ | what i could do in 68k i was having trouble making gcc compile, i could have done move.l (a0)+,(a1)+ for 32bit, followed immediately by move.w (a0)+,(a1)+ for 16bit etc but doing postinc on the casted values gave me errors about lvalues | 15:52 |
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| lcuk_ | *(unsigned char *)dstdataptr++ = *(unsigned char *)srcdataptr ; would be filled with fail no matter how i tried to coax it | 15:53 |
| lcuk_ | (replace char with the short/int longer variations) | 15:53 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: it is not a big deal, gcc will generate postincrement instructions anyway even for your current code | 15:54 |
| lcuk_ | but will it postinc by the original data size (byte) or by the casted size (int) - i think i could only get it incrementing by chars | 15:55 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: it can postincrement by any constant value (well, there is some limit, but it is much higher than any standard data type size) | 15:56 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: your problem is a switch in the inner loop and load-use pipeline stalls | 15:56 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: just unrolling the loop in a normal way will solve all the problems | 15:57 |
| lcuk_ | -o2 removes most of that | 15:57 |
| lardman | dennis_mips: You got it working then? | 15:57 |
| lcuk_ | there is no problem though - it is rapid | 15:57 |
| lcuk_ | it would be more rapider i agree but i couldnt solve the postinc thing | 15:58 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: you don't need so solve postinc problem, it does not exist | 16:00 |
| lcuk_ | cpy(char *dest,char *src){ *(int *)dest++ = *(int *)src++; } incriments src and dest by 1 byte instead of expected 4 bytes (if i remember rightly) | 16:00 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: the compiler generates instructions like this 'ldrr3, [r2], #4'/'strr3, [lr], #4' | 16:01 |
| lcuk_ | ill double check when i get home but i couldnt force the 4 bytes (hence the constants in the fragment) | 16:01 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: just don't invent funny code and use '*(int *)dest = *(int *)src; dst += 4; src += 4;' | 16:02 |
| lcuk_ | thats what i do.. | 16:02 |
| lcuk_ | but i alweays thought adding constants into the code made for MUCH slower than just using the postinc instructions built into the move opcode | 16:03 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: that's why I tell that postincrement problem does not exist for you | 16:03 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: we have optimizing compilers and this optimization is trivial | 16:03 |
| lcuk_ | :) ok then, well ill do my todo and remove the already optimized out switch block | 16:04 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: on the other hand, the compiler can't get rid of your switch efficiently and performance suffers | 16:04 |
| timeless | sp3000: ay near HEL? | 16:05 |
| lcuk_ | thx ssvb, ill see if it makes a diff will post numbers later | 16:05 |
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| ssvb | lcuk_: you need to just do something like 'while ((size -= 8) >= 0) { copy 8 bytes }; size += 8; while (size-- > 0) { copy 1 byte }' | 16:08 |
| sp3000 | timeless: yeah in hel | 16:08 |
| sp3000 | well, espoo | 16:08 |
| sp3000 | but, hel in spirit | 16:08 |
| ssvb | lcuk_: you can replace 8 with any other constant, benchmarking which one is faster | 16:09 |
| timeless | i'm having lunch across from work :/ | 16:09 |
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| timeless | it's going to take an hour to scp a dvd iso from my laptop to swift | 16:09 |
| timeless | it's getting maybe 1.5mbps on a 100mb link | 16:10 |
| lcuk_ | ssvb, yer ive unrolled the rectdraw function in a similar manner, thanks. back later | 16:10 |
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| sp3000 | unless you're specifically looking for someone to sneeze on your food, I'll pass :P | 16:12 |
| sp3000 | wow, that's ...slow | 16:13 |
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| * sp3000 beats hardy's 30-metric-aliases.conf into submission and can read the web again without having to first untangle the poor characters from each other | 16:16 | |
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| ssvb | lardman: btw, have you tries '-vcore=3' optimization option for DSP? | 16:20 |
| lardman | ssvb: I've not seen that one | 16:20 |
| ssvb | lardman: damn typos, s/tries/tried | 16:20 |
| lardman | ssvb: where did you find it? | 16:20 |
| timeless | does metric aliases break 1k=1024? | 16:20 |
| lardman | :) I know the feeling | 16:20 |
| sp3000 | don't think so :) | 16:21 |
| Khertan | raaaaaahhhh someone have problem to connecting repository.maemo.org ? | 16:21 |
| sp3000 | but it does map helvetica to something that renders like crap in fx, instead of admitting not having one | 16:21 |
| Khertan | i can get thing from my wmware image from any other repository ... but not the *.maemo.org | 16:21 |
| ssvb | lardman: spru281 | 16:22 |
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| ssvb | lardman: that's something like -mcpu/-march from gcc | 16:22 |
| lardman | yep, found it | 16:22 |
| lardman | do we know which core version we have? | 16:22 |
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| ssvb | lardman: do you remember the link to some rev3 c55x discussion I have posted earlier? | 16:24 |
| sp3000 | Khertan: no | 16:24 |
| sp3000 | at least my browser doesn't | 16:24 |
| sp3000 | have trouble talking to rmo | 16:25 |
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| lardman | ssvb: Not off the top of my head, but I can find it, or just compile some code to ask the DSP what rev it is. No problem | 16:25 |
| Khertan | hum ... so it s from my isp | 16:26 |
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| pusling | what are the apps I need to prevent to start (and what other modifications do I need) if I don't want any of the maemo user interface on n800 to start ? ;) | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | pusling: you might be interested in debian for internet tablets | 16:45 |
| pusling | Stskeeps: I am in the long run, but right now, I am just using the base system. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're making installer for the tablet atm with the goal to "do it right", so you can install using the tablet only, and get any level of functionality you want | 16:46 |
| summatusmentis | Stskeeps: really? cool! | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | summatusmentis: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-installer.JPG | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | instead of the huge tar.gz | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | got it at console fb stage atm | 16:51 |
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| summatusmentis | Stskeeps: very nice. I don't like huge tarballs, my internet bites | 16:53 |
| summatusmentis | also, putty? really? Just install linux on your desktop :) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | summatusmentis: meh, work related :P | 16:54 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i use nexenta/opensolaris on my server, xp on my desktop(s), linux on my wireless router, freebsd on dorm servers, so i think i'm covered | 16:55 |
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| summatusmentis | dorm servers? | 16:55 |
| summatusmentis | like, servers in your dorm? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 1000 people dorm and i admin the servers here :P | 16:56 |
| summatusmentis | oh, cool :) | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-post-bootstrap.JPG and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-alldone.JPG as well | 16:57 |
| RST38h | yawn | 16:57 |
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| Churl | question: how do i enter a WEP hex password on the n800? can it be done? | 16:59 |
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| Churl | and good morning to all | 16:59 |
| summatusmentis | well... it's morning anyway | 17:01 |
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| Churl | true that | 17:01 |
| Churl | any idea on the wep hex password issue? | 17:02 |
| summatusmentis | nope, I live in the boonies, we don't encrypt our wireless | 17:02 |
| Churl | haha lucky for you i guess | 17:02 |
| summatusmentis | well, I don't know... | 17:02 |
| Churl | im in atlanta | 17:02 |
| Churl | eating tofu | 17:03 |
| Churl | not really | 17:03 |
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| summatusmentis | tofu == win | 17:03 |
| Churl | yay! | 17:05 |
| Churl | well, someone contact me if you can tell me how i can enter a WEP hex password! | 17:06 |
| timeless | churl: i think the only trick is that you're only supposed to use one of uppercase or lowercase | 17:06 |
| timeless | and i can't remember which :) | 17:06 |
| summatusmentis | it doesn't just work in the gui? | 17:06 |
| timeless | the system will figure out if it's hex or ascii based on the password length | 17:06 |
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| Churl | cool, ill wack at it again | 17:09 |
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| Churl | *wacking | 17:10 |
| summatusmentis | erm... make sure you clean up afterwards... | 17:11 |
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| Churl | i gave up on that years ago, just accept the filth | 17:12 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 17:12 |
| Churl | hmm still no luck: internet connection failed. unable to retrieve IP address from server. wep key may be incorrect. try again? | 17:13 |
| Churl | the key works fine on my linux box | 17:13 |
| Churl | c0ffee4123 | 17:14 |
| summatusmentis | where do you live again? | 17:14 |
| RST38h | summa: Do you really have to ask? | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Georgia, US | 17:15 |
| summatusmentis | oh hrr | 17:15 |
| Churl | me too! | 17:16 |
| Churl | i read that entering a 36 digit hex key from the router can work | 17:17 |
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| Churl | now to just figure out how to get that...... | 17:18 |
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| Churl | atlanta! | 17:27 |
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| pusling | what triggers "mount events" during boot ? | 17:40 |
| pusling | or - how do I ensure that my mmc card gets mounted ? | 17:41 |
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| hrw | Churl: you still use wep?? | 17:42 |
| Churl | im at a coffee shop, ill leave mine unlocked | 17:42 |
| RST38h | hrw: And we know the key, too! | 17:42 |
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| hrw | RST38h: only ssid is lacking | 17:43 |
| RST38h | I am sure his AP advertises it =) | 17:44 |
| hrw | ;D | 17:45 |
| Churl | yay! | 17:46 |
| sp3000 | hey, does the partial update stuff (always) demand / force a reboot? | 17:46 |
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| RST38h | sp3000: depends | 17:47 |
| Churl | want the ssid? | 17:48 |
| sp3000 | RST38h: so it either does or doesn't case by case? | 17:48 |
| pusling | anyone with a relative pristine n800 that can do ls /etc/rc2.d/ and pastebin the output ? ;) | 17:49 |
| RST38h | sp3000: yes | 17:50 |
| hrw | sp3000: by case and by crazy ideas of package developers | 17:50 |
| sp3000 | k, thanks | 17:50 |
| Churl | still no luck with wep hex password | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | As in "face the camera and pinch your left ear thrice" | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Churl: Why aren't you using ASCII password? | 17:50 |
| Churl | im at a coffee shop | 17:51 |
| Churl | if that helps | 17:51 |
| sp3000 | and c0ffee is clearly hex | 17:52 |
| sp3000 | so the wep key has to be too, for consistency | 17:52 |
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| Churl | c0ffee4123 is the wep key | 17:53 |
| Churl | the network knows it's looking for a hex key, but maybe the problem is with the router? i was reading something about me needing to put in a longer hex password, and that's where im lost | 17:54 |
| sp3000 | heh | 17:54 |
| Churl | like a 30 digit key | 17:54 |
| inz | My WEP hex network key works just fine, which is the same length as yours | 17:55 |
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| Churl | yeah, it should, it cant resolve an ip | 17:58 |
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| Churl | possible a router sensitivity | 17:58 |
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| Churl | WEIRDNESS! | 18:01 |
| Churl | google is saying others have had this some problem, "my linux box works fine, but my n800 wont work" | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | Churl: this looks like an ascii key | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Churl: N800 *may* treat it as hex when you enter it though | 18:08 |
| RST38h | In this case, the best way to avoid it will be to modify wifi config directly | 18:08 |
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| Churl | meaning? | 18:10 |
| RST38h | well, the coffee... thing can be treated either as an ascii string or a hex string | 18:11 |
| Churl | (thanks :)) | 18:11 |
| RST38h | c0ffee4123 is 5 bytes or 40 bits | 18:12 |
| RST38h | *or* it is 10 characters i.e. 80 bits | 18:12 |
| RST38h | Neither is a proper wep key length btw | 18:13 |
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| Churl | (sorry, im talking to an old crazy homeless man, he's very nice and is always here at the coffee shop with his laptop) | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Actually, 40 bits is the shortest possible wep key | 18:13 |
| Churl | distractions | 18:14 |
| RST38h | let us say it is hex and find a way to enter it while avoiding os2008 gui | 18:14 |
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| Churl | is that possible? | 18:15 |
| RST38h | yes | 18:15 |
| Churl | ive looked for a way to do that. command line? | 18:16 |
| RST38h | looking for it at the moment | 18:16 |
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| RST38h | Churl: there should be wictl or a similar tool | 18:19 |
| Churl | :) is that something id have to download? | 18:20 |
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| RST38h | I am pretty sure there should be a copy installed already | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Unfortunately, I do not have a tablet here. Going home in a moment. If you are still here when I come home, will try to find it. | 18:22 |
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| Churl | oh ill be here, thanks very much! | 18:23 |
| zpol | hola | 18:23 |
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| newmaemouser | Hello | 18:32 |
| summatusmentis | hi | 18:32 |
| pusling | is somewhere documented what hulda, hildon, osso, ... exactly are ? | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wikipedia, a bit. | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITOS | 18:36 |
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| pusling | I want to prevent the user interface to launch, but still have the network configuration thingie, the automount tihngie and so on to do their jobs | 18:36 |
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| newmaemouser | This 810 is pretty cool. Does anyone have any programs or things to set up that they think are essential? I just got it yesterday. | 18:39 |
| Saviq | hi all, is there any way to run j2me apps on the n8x0? | 18:39 |
| Churl | pidgin! | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is gross. | 18:39 |
| Churl | really? | 18:40 |
| Churl | i love the icon! | 18:40 |
| Saviq | GeneralAntilles: why? 'cause of the logo? ;) | 18:40 |
| newmaemouser | What do you prefer, general? | 18:40 |
| Saviq | the logo is gross, true.. | 18:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, mplayer, Canola2, FBReader, lxDoom, Quake, XChat, Modest, ScummVM, Numpty Physics, Maemo Mapper, Vagalume, Garnet VM, x11vnc | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm | 18:40 |
| Churl | oh god! had it as my background for a while... | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in chat framework. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | No need to run an extra program to eat up taskbar space. | 18:41 |
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| Churl | thats cooll | 18:41 |
| newmaemouser | General, does it run everything pidgin does? | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's libpurple. | 18:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Chinook doesn't include all the plugins | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | but Collabora has most of them in their repository | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, that reminds me, I need to make a new version of x11vnc compiled from the latest version and merges penguinbait's and msaunby's work together. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you can get the rest if you install the rtcomm beta. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, and push it to the autobuilder? =) | 18:43 |
| Churl | is there a working version of vnc viewer? | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I shall try sometime to get it in -devel, I don't trust myself enough for extras and having it in extras would be very convienent. | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on Garag, Churl. | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, the autobuilder should take care of MOST of the QA. ;) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Nice | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm getting a lot better at packaging, the latest pidgin-facebookchat plugin I just put out is a "standard" package. | 18:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:46 |
| Churl | garage? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | garage is http://garage.maemo.org/ but I think you want http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ in this case. | 18:47 |
| newmaemouser | One more thing - before I mess with this too much, is there a way I can backup *everything* in case I hose it? | 18:47 |
| eocanha | qwerty12: are you the mantainer of x11vnc? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, no. | 18:48 |
| pusling | if I during boot of my n800 have a init script waiting for the mmc card to get mounted, this loops forever until I plug it out and in again. Then it gets instant mounted. How do I "replay" this event manually ? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 | 18:48 |
| newmaemouser | Is the built-in backup software enough? | 18:48 |
| Churl | sorry, im still unfamilier with all these programs, it's a whole lot of new stuff, all scattered developed, (from what i can tell ) | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | newmaemouser, depends. | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ah, I thought he wanted the rtcomm | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | eocanha, no but there are already 2 versions of it (and old ones, I plan on putting the improvents of both into one single package) | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It backs up settings, emails, stuff in MyDocs, your repository list and a list of applications you have installed | 18:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | but you'll have to reinstall those applications. | 18:49 |
| eocanha | ok. And I forgot that x11vnc is a vnc server. | 18:50 |
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| newmaemouser | Of course, but is there a chance I could break the OS to the point that I can't restore? | 18:51 |
| eocanha | The fact is that the other day I tried to connect to my PC from the N810 with vncviewer and I got duplicated keystrokes. I wondered if that was a spread bug. | 18:51 |
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| eocanha | Anyway, have a nice weekend | 18:53 |
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| lardman | ~lart car insurance companies | 18:56 |
| * infobot pries car insurance companies's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to car insurance companies | 18:56 | |
| jaska | heh | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | anyone here who admins garage? especially the svn part of it | 18:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Twitter spam on -developers? | 18:58 |
| lardman | the buggers have short changed me £30, not sure if it's worth my time to "discuss" it with them really | 18:58 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yeah, saw that | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade and dneary and stalking me on jaiku. O_O | 18:59 |
| lardman | :) | 18:59 |
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| Khertan | Hi again ! | 20:10 |
| summatusmentis | hi Khertan | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hello :) | 20:11 |
| Khertan | hum it seems that rtcomm beta is not installable :( | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Put the tablet into redpill | 20:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, follow the instructions on the website. ;) | 20:12 |
| lardman | bmidgley: ping | 20:12 |
| Khertan | yes but there is a conflict with some libs | 20:12 |
| Khertan | and i prefer to not break anything | 20:12 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:12 |
| Khertan | is there still anydate for diablo ? | 20:13 |
| Khertan | or prevision ? | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Few weeks. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | When it's ready. | 20:13 |
| Khertan | when it s ready < i hope :) | 20:14 |
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| summatusmentis | a few weeks? really? cool | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, maybe. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who knows. | 20:20 |
| summatusmentis | we're gonna have to re-flash the last time, right? | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The data of every other Maemo release has always been "when it comes out". | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know it's out when it's out. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, yes, it'll be a reflash. | 20:20 |
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| lardman | Any ideas what this means?: "sbc.c", line 82: warning: illegal combination of const-init variable with non-const-init variable in section SARAM_seq | 20:36 |
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| Khertan | re | 20:38 |
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| summatusmentis | 7larwhat's line 82 look like? | 20:40 |
| summatusmentis | ... | 20:40 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: what's line 82 look like? | 20:40 |
| Khertan | someone know a tool to capture video on nit ? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | set up a gstreamer pipeline? | 20:41 |
| lcuk_ | Khertan, with a big net? | 20:41 |
| Khertan | hum ... i don t know very well gstreamer | 20:41 |
| Khertan | a big net ? | 20:42 |
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| lcuk_ | yes, to capture things | 20:42 |
| Khertan | yes | 20:42 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, shame ssvb just went :) ive just unrolled my readable blit per suggestions and improved performance a little | 20:42 |
| Khertan | in fact it s to show to someone a mockup of a kinetik scrolling on maemo | 20:42 |
| lardman | #pragma DATA_SECTION(fast_in, "SARAM_seq") | 20:43 |
| lardman | looks like I chose the wrong memory section to place my fast array | 20:43 |
| lardman | sorted it now by choosing another one :) | 20:43 |
| lcuk_ | khertan, ahhh actual screen capture, not sure - i use my camera | 20:43 |
| lcuk_ | and id like to see your kinetic | 20:43 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I'm sure he'll be interested to hear tomorrow | 20:43 |
| lcuk_ | yer its been on my todo for a while but i moved onto other stuff | 20:43 |
| lcuk_ | left the readable version there | 20:44 |
| Khertan | i don t have camera than the one on my phone but result look like an apple fake with many blur | 20:44 |
| Khertan | 1M pixel :) | 20:44 |
| lcuk_ | khertan, are you using the normal display or are you using an overlay of some sort | 20:44 |
| Khertan | i m using efl | 20:45 |
| lcuk_ | infact, khertan, if there aren't too many dependencies it might be an idea to just give the binary | 20:45 |
| * lcuk_ should practice what he preaches | 20:45 | |
| Khertan | :) | 20:46 |
| lardman | right, to the pub, then back for sbc testing :), eventually | 20:46 |
| lcuk_ | have a good night lardman | 20:46 |
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| lardman|away | lcuk_: cheers, and have a nice weekend, I see the weather will be sunny up north! | 20:47 |
| Khertan | there is too many dependancies :) | 20:47 |
| Khertan | stskeeps > u are talking about a gstreamer pipeline do u know how to do ? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: you can prolly integrate some codecs that goes from camera -> file | 20:48 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a bit advanced :P | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | but if you're going to make something professional, this would be the trick | 20:50 |
| lcuk_ | khertan ive seen a gstreamer video encoder, but its based on input from the camera itself, perhaps you could mung it to grab input from the screen | 20:50 |
| Khertan | yes :) too much too do it from my nit without gcc :) | 20:50 |
| lcuk_ | khertan python gstreamer api :) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html | 20:51 |
| lcuk_ | damn broken link, 2 mins | 20:51 |
| Khertan | hah | 20:51 |
| Khertan | haha | 20:51 |
| Khertan | 4.x is broken too | 20:54 |
| Khertan | i ll look in google cache | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | 2 mins ill post the .py i got from it and was looking at | 20:54 |
| lcuk_ | its not pretty i ripped out all the events cos it wouldnt run with them (im not a python hacker) http://pastebin.ca/1052035 | 20:55 |
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| Khertan | http://umeguide.net/C/mobile-user-apps.html | 20:56 |
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| Khertan | funny to see that ume seem s to be more and more a maemo port :) | 20:57 |
| Khertan | pfffiou data connection is very slow today | 20:58 |
| Khertan | hum can t get your pastebin | 20:58 |
| Khertan | blank page | 20:58 |
| lcuk_ | khertan :D vnc to swf - use vnc server and record the display from your desktop | 20:59 |
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| Khertan | euh ... this could be a solution when i come back to home | 21:00 |
| lcuk_ | probably yer | 21:00 |
| Khertan | post under anonymous in pastebin ? | 21:01 |
| Khertan | can t found it | 21:06 |
| Khertan | so ... i ll try to find it | 21:06 |
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| hrw | have a nice weekend | 21:13 |
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| Khertan | Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x480 | 21:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:17 |
| Khertan | just a try with webcam | 21:18 |
| RST38h | the webcam IS 640x480 | 21:18 |
| Khertan | yes i knox | 21:20 |
| Khertan | know | 21:20 |
| Khertan | now :) | 21:20 |
| Khertan | but the main purpose is too see if i can capture screen with gstreaqmer | 21:22 |
| lcuk_ | khertan, initial suggestion might just work im seeing now, but vnc2swf has a python version now http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ | 21:22 |
| Khertan | but it s need a vnc server | 21:24 |
| lcuk_ | x11vnc is available | 21:25 |
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| ||cw | and works well | 21:25 |
| ||cw | could work better, some things you can't click | 21:25 |
| lcuk_ | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 21:26 |
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| lcuk_ | im just seeing if i can get it recording now | 21:26 |
| Khertan | arg Tkinter | 21:27 |
| Khertan | no useable on maemo :) | 21:27 |
| Khertan | s/no/not | 21:27 |
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| lcuk_ | damn, and they include a nogui option | 21:28 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:28 |
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| Khertan | why make a nogui option and reclaim tkinter | 21:37 |
| Khertan | this is stupid | 21:37 |
| Khertan | can t hack it | 21:39 |
| Khertan | there is too many ref to tkinter | 21:39 |
| Khertan | there is no vnc client for os2008 | 21:44 |
| Khertan | ? | 21:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, google. :P | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:46 |
| Khertan | google -> gronmayer -> none :) | 21:47 |
| Khertan | thx | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in a repo. ;) | 21:47 |
| Khertan | i have succesfully capture screen !!!! | 21:47 |
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| Churl | do you have to have the repo to apt-get things? | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Churl. | 21:51 |
| Churl | thanks, ive been having trouble with those single click installs. is there an app i need to handle them? | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Application manager | 21:53 |
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| lcuk_ | Khertan, what are you capturing with and are you at home now | 21:54 |
| Churl | haha yeah doesnt work :( | 21:54 |
| lcuk_ | i think ive just managed (somehow) to build the c version of vnc2swf and just did something... | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, how do you mean? | 21:55 |
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| Churl | well, i was trying to get vncviewer. i click on the single click install. it messes up and the browers crashs | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | The .install is for Bora | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grab the .deb at the top here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 | 21:56 |
| Churl | i see, what's bora | 21:56 |
| Churl | cool thanks again as always | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 21:56 |
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| Churl | oh yeah, i was looking at that, i think i need a study guide. it's helping with all these new abbriviations | 21:57 |
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| lcuk_ | well vnc2swf will build in scratchbox without a problem, x11vnc is available as a server, but recording movies of the device on the device is slowwwwwwwww | 21:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Churl, if you come across more abbreviations that you think should be defined there, then either mention them here or stick 'em on the Codenames discussion page. | 22:00 |
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| ||cw | hell, just remote controling the 770 is slow | 22:00 |
| lcuk_ | 770 maybe, but 8x0 has more grunt | 22:01 |
| Gnuton | hi there | 22:01 |
| lcuk_ | viewing and controlling my 810 is normally ok and vnc2swf works much betterl from desktop | 22:01 |
| lcuk_ | hi Gnuton | 22:01 |
| Gnuton | hey lcuk_ | 22:02 |
| * lcuk_ nearly used a pair of tweezers as stylus :S | 22:02 | |
| Churl | neat, ill have internet at my new home (that im moving into when i leave this coffee shop) in about 10 days (that means in a month around here) and id love to add and define terms that new people would need to know | 22:02 |
| lcuk_ | churl, you are staying in the coffee shop for 10days? | 22:03 |
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| Khertan | re | 22:03 |
| Churl | maybe:( this is my 4th day in a row | 22:03 |
| lcuk_ | Khertan, i got vnc2swf compiled for the device, but results are NOT optimal, best off using desktop to do the recording | 22:03 |
| Khertan | lcuk > i ve do it on device with a twikked vnc2swf | 22:03 |
| lcuk_ | the .py version? | 22:03 |
| Khertan | yes | 22:04 |
| lcuk_ | you are a python god :) | 22:04 |
| Khertan | result seems good enought | 22:04 |
| lcuk_ | are you uploading your example vid then or shall we wait | 22:04 |
| * lcuk_ wonders why he had poor results | 22:04 | |
| Churl | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 | 22:05 |
| Khertan | i ll try but phone battery is dying | 22:05 |
| lcuk_ | you are a star khertan :)i see the nokia has given you escape from a boring train journey | 22:06 |
| Khertan | yes :) | 22:06 |
| Khertan | i was doing onboard compile on palm before | 22:06 |
| lcuk_ | i drive to work so lose that time, but when im out smoking i have a quick hack at mine and gcc is certainly quick enough to work well - i use gcc on device at night as well now its configured | 22:07 |
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| ShadowJK | . | 22:18 |
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| Kekerot | arg maemo.org is so slow :( | 22:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Server upgrades are forthcoming. | 22:28 |
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| pusling | hmm... when not running the hildon-desktop init script, sd cards are not automounted. | 22:37 |
| pusling | what are hildon-desktop doing ? ;) | 22:38 |
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| Khertan | re | 22:48 |
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| Khertan | battery died :) | 22:48 |
| Kekerot | do you guys encode your movies or just leave them at the usual 700mb | 22:49 |
| Churl | good question | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | 700MB doesn't mean anything. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bitrate and resolution. | 22:53 |
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| Churl | what's a typical size a person could get a movie to? | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the an N8x0? | 22:58 |
| Churl | yeah | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Size I wouldn't worry too much about. | 22:58 |
| Kekerot | Ive only got 6 gigs to work with lol :O | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | For best performance, something around 400x240 @ 1200Kbps with MPEG4 and MP3 audio (44.1KHz or lower) | 22:58 |
| Kekerot | I need to get an 8gb minisd | 22:58 |
| Churl | i took out my 2 gig from my camera for my tablet | 22:59 |
| Kekerot | I wish they put more internal space in the n810 | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can usually get away with a higher resolution if you can handle a little framedrop every now and then. | 22:59 |
| Churl | neat | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had success with widescreen stuff in the 6xx*2xx range | 23:00 |
| Kekerot | Is there a conversion utility for videos people use for nits? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | with just a hint of framedrop in the high-action scenes. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kekerot, what platform. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 23:00 |
| Kekerot | windows | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 | 23:01 |
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| Churl | GA: what was that IM app that you liked better than pidgin? | 23:01 |
| Kekerot | sweet thanks | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in one. | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | re | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either set up a transport for your preferred network with Google Talk or download the Collabora Telepathy plugins. | 23:02 |
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| Kekerot | GA what os do you use on your desktop/laptop? | 23:02 |
| Churl | i didnt think it had a built in one | 23:02 |
| lcuk | ssvb, i unrolled the loop earlier and obtained a modest performance benefit :) thanks for advice | 23:03 |
| Churl | chat! | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS X | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, see the Accounts under Control panel. | 23:03 |
| acydlord | I've been starting to use the built in client more than pidgin | 23:03 |
| Churl | i do now | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's too much work involved with Pidgin. | 23:04 |
| Kekerot | you have a mac GA? | 23:04 |
| ssvb | lcuk: you are welcome :) | 23:04 |
| acydlord | but it was too messy with transports | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Kekerot. | 23:04 |
| Khertan | lcuk > i m uploading video | 23:04 |
| acydlord | my only gripe on the built in client is that it doesnt tab convos | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | acydlord, file an enhancement request? | 23:05 |
| acydlord | i was just about to say thats what i should do lol | 23:05 |
| Churl | it doesnt look like i can use AIM through Chat | 23:05 |
| lcuk | Khertan, :) wicked, are you home now | 23:05 |
| lcuk | or have you mugged another random person on the train and borrowed their bandwidth | 23:05 |
| acydlord | you can use aim | 23:05 |
| Khertan | yes | 23:06 |
| Churl | the wizard doesnt give the option | 23:06 |
| Khertan | my phone battery died | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, either set up a Google Talk transport or add the Collabora repo from gronmayer and install the appropriate Telepathy plugin. | 23:06 |
| acydlord | i installed the chat beta and then the telepathy haze plugs | 23:06 |
| lcuk | you said it might | 23:06 |
| Churl | wow, and pidgin is too much? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just one thing to install | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not everyday of using the client. | 23:06 |
| towo | pidgin doesn't use the throbber. *g* | 23:06 |
| acydlord | throbber and the led are worth it | 23:07 |
| Churl | not familiar with throbber | 23:07 |
| Churl | sounds sexy ;) | 23:07 |
| lcuk | family channel, could you keep your throbbers covered please | 23:07 |
| towo | The littlel ight blinking when you have messages. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | towo, depending on the purpose of that comment, either install the pidgin notification plugin or turn off IM notifications in Control panel. | 23:07 |
| acydlord | GeneralAntilles, shoul i file an enhancement request in bugzilla or launchpad? | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | launchpad? | 23:07 |
| acydlord | https://launchpad.net/maemo | 23:07 |
| towo | GeneralAntilles: I don't think it makes my little light glow when used. | 23:08 |
| Khertan | lcuk > khertan.net | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird, acydlord, never seen that. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely Bugzilla. | 23:08 |
| Khertan | does it play smoothly ? | 23:08 |
| acydlord | i ran into it a few weeks back lol | 23:08 |
| Khertan | it doesn t on my home computer | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | acydlord, was that officially set up? | 23:09 |
| acydlord | not quite sure | 23:09 |
| acydlord | it was set up by ubuntu staff it looks like | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 23:10 |
| Khertan | lcuk the first try i ve made was far better | 23:10 |
| lcuk | yer khertan, performance is dead here, its static, you could try sending and processing on your desktop now you are home - that should free up the 810 to actually render the UI | 23:11 |
| acydlord | it's probably because they are using maemo as the base of ubuntu mobile | 23:11 |
| lcuk | i think you're best bet would be a desktop pc webcam or proper cam with movie mode | 23:12 |
| Khertan | i ll try later i ll cook | 23:12 |
| lopz | re | 23:12 |
| lcuk | i just dont think the little 810 has enough grunt to do everything itself | 23:12 |
| lcuk | ok Khertan :) enjoy your meal i just had pizza | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | acydlord, yeah, odd that they would set it up that way. | 23:13 |
| acydlord | indeed | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just seems like a good way to confuse people. :\ | 23:13 |
| acydlord | i was looking through the threads and it does look to be for ubuntu-mobile | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, yeah, stick it on Bugzilla and I'll vote for it. ;) | 23:14 |
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| acydlord | k, will do | 23:18 |
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| Jaffa | Evening, all! | 23:31 |
| * Jaffa is back, after 14 days, over 1800 miles and over 39 hours of driving. | 23:32 | |
| lcuk | wb jaffa | 23:32 |
| lcuk | did you have a good trip | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, very good. Slightly tanned, lots of booze in the car ready for consumption over the summer. Very knackered. | 23:33 |
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| acydlord | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3271 vote away =x | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, Jaffa! | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i hope you made mrs jaffa drive whilst you sat in the back drinking :D | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | Mrs Jaffa's driving would need it ;-) | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | Oh, bugger - she's now in the room. | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | lol | 23:36 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, you missed a goldmine of crazy from Darius on -developers. fanoush discovered that he has a rather interesting background, too. | 23:39 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Oh, cool - I'll look out for it once I've dealt with label:Webmail | 23:40 |
| lcuk | (GA means: Darius has an interesting background, not that Fanaush has gone senile and forgotten everything hes ever done) | 23:41 |
| Jaffa | :) | 23:41 |
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| acydlord | wow, my google mail accounts have been crap lately | 23:44 |
| acydlord | imap rarely ever logs in properly | 23:44 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: I see one thread he started about the council, that the one you're thinking of? | 23:51 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: Oh, and he responded to your mail too. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it was split at some point, too. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never really got any useful discussion out of that. :D | 23:52 |
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