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| Gnutonio | hi there | 00:05 |
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| summatusmentis | hi Gnutonio | 00:09 |
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| Gnutonio | hi summatusmentis | 00:14 |
| Toba_ | hi there #maemo, summatusmentis | 00:15 |
| * Toba_ is quite happy with his n810 (except for gps) | 00:15 | |
| Toba_ | cannot wait for diablo to release | 00:15 |
| Gnutonio | hi Toba_ | 00:15 |
| Toba_ | hi | 00:15 |
| summatusmentis | Toba_: it might be me, but I'm having trouble getting diablo to lock too | 00:16 |
| summatusmentis | might also be me living east podunk | 00:16 |
| Toba_ | that shouldn't matter | 00:16 |
| lcuk_ | gnormal gps on good decices can also fail to lock | 00:16 |
| Toba_ | it's *sattellite* | 00:16 |
| Toba_ | summatusmentis: are you using agps? | 00:17 |
| Toba_ | i heard that worked, even though I'm not sure what it is | 00:17 |
| summatusmentis | yeah | 00:17 |
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| lcuk_ | Toba_, before obtaining a lock you must download (from those sats) data on their expected positions, this data is usually cached for a region but if you go outside that region or otherwise invalidate the cache the entire file must be redownloaded | 00:17 |
| lcuk_ | diablo is supposed to include agps which helps with this rough initial position and trying to keep the cache of data | 00:18 |
| Toba_ | oh | 00:18 |
| Toba_ | so is there any way to find out when/where my cache is currently for? | 00:18 |
| Toba_ | i read about the cache on internettablettalk | 00:19 |
| lcuk_ | so... even a good gps box can have bad days - if it cannot get a sustained clear contact for getting the data | 00:19 |
| Toba_ | among other things.. people bitching about mapper not working on chinook | 00:19 |
| summatusmentis | is the maemo-mapper for diablo? | 00:19 |
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| lcuk_ | not sure, thats basically what ive been seeing and reading. for myself, ive had better luck with the gps recently and we have managed to get locks very rapidly | 00:20 |
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| lcuk_ | but in germany at linuxtag, 4 of us were walking down the road with 810s and all took a long time to get locks | 00:20 |
| lcuk_ | mine was the slowest actually | 00:20 |
| summatusmentis | that must've been a sight | 00:20 |
| lcuk_ | though they did notice that my hardware revision was v1 | 00:21 |
| lcuk_ | theirs were later | 00:21 |
| lcuk_ | summatusmentis, it was.. | 00:21 |
| Toba_ | huh | 00:22 |
| Toba_ | how do i check my hardware revision | 00:22 |
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| lcuk_ | i dunno, there was some app or other (diablo field test thingy) i got via bluetooth | 00:23 |
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| lcuk_ | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=n810+%22field+test+display%22&btnG=Search&meta= | 00:23 |
| summatusmentis | that's the ftd qwerty12 keeps going on about? | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | Field testing device | 00:24 |
| lcuk_ | yer, it basically just pokes around all the obscure corners of the filesys and extracts meaningful (to an engineer) information | 00:24 |
| GAN800 | It's a testing app that gives you access to config partition and hardware stuff | 00:25 |
| Toba_ | intersting | 00:25 |
| Toba_ | *interesting | 00:25 |
| Toba_ | yeah i have yet to get a gps fix | 00:25 |
| Toba_ | which is pretty irritating as it is one of the reasons i bought an n810 | 00:25 |
| summatusmentis | I needthe default map app sucks. I had a fix in maemo-mapper once, w/ a-gps | 00:25 |
| lcuk_ | toba, sit it on your dashboard (where a normal gps would live) and drive for a bit :) | 00:25 |
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| Toba_ | I'll do that on the way home | 00:26 |
| lcuk_ | nbuilt in map and maemomapper both use the same gps device | 00:26 |
| * Toba_ is at work | 00:26 | |
| lcuk_ | just different frontend :) | 00:26 |
| summatusmentis | well, yes | 00:26 |
| Toba_ | i know | 00:26 |
| Toba_ | same driver etc | 00:26 |
| lcuk_ | that was for summatusmentis.. | 00:26 |
| Blastur | Toba_: ive only managed to get a fix once on my n810, in a month :) | 00:27 |
| Toba_ | wow | 00:27 |
| lardman|tv | Toba_: Your cache will be invalid after ~6min iirc | 00:27 |
| Toba_ | that is awful | 00:27 |
| summatusmentis | I suppose being in a building affects it | 00:27 |
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| Toba_ | I don't know how they considered this a feature as it doesn't seem to work for anyone | 00:27 |
| Toba_ | *sigh* | 00:27 |
| Blastur | at one point i was sitting in my garden, with clear sight, perfect weather.. for about an hour. no fix.. it went up to maybe 10-15% fix in maemomapper progress bar, and then it started moving backwards :P | 00:27 |
| Toba_ | yeah I get to about 20% | 00:28 |
| Toba_ | in a few minutes | 00:28 |
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| Toba_ | but it stops | 00:28 |
| lardman | Toba_: GPS? | 00:28 |
| Toba_ | lardman: yea | 00:28 |
| lardman | Toba_: works for me | 00:28 |
| qos | hey guys, can somebody test a package for me? it is a traffic counter and i want to make sure that it installs fine and works on other device as it does on the device it was made on ... | 00:28 |
| Blastur | Toba_: apparently, its because N810 uses a budget chipset for gps from Texas Instruments.. it relies heavily on getting additional data from the internet (or something), a technique called AGPS.. without it, it seems to be very difficult to get a fix. unfortunately, maemo does not currently support AGPS, but the next version will... | 00:28 |
| lardman | Toba_: Open the agps-ui and select your location, it downloads the almanac/ephemeris data, and then you get a reasonably quick lock | 00:28 |
| Blastur | i dont understand why they didnt go for the sirf star 3 chipset, its basically mainstream nowadays, and much more reliable | 00:29 |
| lardman | Blastur: AGPS shouldn't be a bad thing, I think the probelm is that the chipset is not very sensitive | 00:29 |
| lardman | i.e. a SirfStar III would be even quicker to lock with AGPS | 00:30 |
| lardman | My worry about AGPS ui is that as the entire world is shown on the screen, you have to be pretty accurate when tapping your current location | 00:31 |
| Blastur | y.. i guess the only viable option is to get a bluetooth gps | 00:31 |
| lardman | Back of envelope calc gives one pixel is 50miles square | 00:31 |
| Blastur | kinda sucky to carry around yet ANOTHER device :P | 00:31 |
| lcuk_ | use a bigger envelope | 00:31 |
| lardman | Blastur: Or use agps to up it to a decent lock speed | 00:31 |
| Toba_ | what if I wake up with a sack over my head and my legs tied down and I depend on my n810 gps to save myself?! | 00:31 |
| lardman | lcuk_: :) | 00:31 |
| Toba_ | I won't know what country I'm in, maybe not even continent! | 00:32 |
| summatusmentis | wait... I'm at a 50% after roughly 30 secs | 00:32 |
| Toba_ | damned agps | 00:32 |
| Toba_ | ;) | 00:32 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I do wonder how much of a problem it will cause though, if you're out by 150miles or so, I don't know what happens with the data | 00:32 |
| Toba_ | perhaps the UI can be improved. | 00:32 |
| lardman | Toba_: yes; that's only a first attempt I think | 00:33 |
| Spaceman3750 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16057&page=1 This is a theory on why the lock-on time with GPS is so high, also includes a possible fix | 00:33 |
| lcuk_ | i dont think it matters tbh lardman, from a psychological perspective it gives the user something to try to fix themselves. the entire time the dialog is on screen the gps should still be trying | 00:33 |
| lardman | Toba_: I think it can also grab data from your mobile phone, which would be better | 00:33 |
| lcuk_ | "damn i clicked the wrong one, if i get it just right it will lock"... | 00:33 |
| Toba_ | my phone does not have bluetooth ;) | 00:33 |
| lardman | Spaceman3750: no, that has nothing to do with the loc-on time | 00:33 |
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| lardman | Spaceman3750: it will probably screw up whatever's using the data from gpsd, but the lock and writing data to the chipset is below that level | 00:34 |
| lcuk_ | ive noticed faster locking on mine since i returned from germany. germany was also the time i run my cpu in performance all the time | 00:35 |
| lardman | Toba_: oh well | 00:35 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: Perhaps the warm weather and beer did it some good ;) | 00:35 |
| lcuk_ | started to * | 00:35 |
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| lcuk_ | it was amazing - mine outlasted everyone elses :D | 00:35 |
| lcuk_ | and it does now continuously | 00:36 |
| lardman | Toba_: I guess it will eventually use geoclue to provide a location, then obtain the ephemeris data using that | 00:36 |
| lcuk_ | i dont need to leave it charging overnight anymore - and its on performance | 00:36 |
| lardman | lcuk_: yeah, mine is too, and I leave it connected over ssh every evening | 00:36 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: weird | 00:36 |
| lcuk_ | now, i cant do that | 00:36 |
| lcuk_ | network kills me (adhoc) | 00:37 |
| lcuk_ | but the battery live is VERY tied to the screen brightness. ive knocked it down 2 notches from top | 00:37 |
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| lardman | ah, yes, my screen is usually off as I'm ssh'ing in | 00:38 |
| lardman | lcuk_: Did you see that power consumption paper done for an early iPaq running Linux vs WinCE? | 00:38 |
| lcuk_ | screen is set to be always on when charging and i "dock" it between keyboard and monitor so i can see results | 00:38 |
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| lcuk_ | no? | 00:39 |
| rm_you| | lcuk_: you use advanced-backlight? >:P | 00:39 |
| lardman | hmm, I'll see if I can google it for you | 00:39 |
| lardman | http://pads.east.isi.edu/presentations/misc/sjcho-pm-report.pdf | 00:39 |
| lardman | probably that anyway | 00:39 |
| lcuk_ | no i dont rm, it was too finicky, i wanted big buttons but you didnt | 00:39 |
| rm_you| | heh | 00:39 |
| rm_you| | hardware buttons work now | 00:39 |
| lcuk_ | (big buttons like i use in liqbase - easy to use with stylus or thumb) | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | hardware buttons for lighting? like d-pad? | 00:40 |
| rm_you| | yes | 00:40 |
| rm_you| | lighting and sound | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | sweet | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | didn't know that | 00:40 |
| rm_you| | thats in 0.9, you should already have it | 00:40 |
| rm_you| | and in 0.9b they are much more configurable | 00:40 |
| summatusmentis | I'll have to reboot out of diablo, and check my version | 00:40 |
| rm_you| | if you add extras-devel you can grab 0.9b | 00:40 |
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| rm_you| | it may work in diablo? | 00:41 |
| rm_you| | can you test?! | 00:41 |
| rm_you| | :P | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | I don't have it installed right now | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | hold on | 00:41 |
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| rm_you| | grab 0.9b out of extras-devel | 00:41 |
| rm_you| | and tell me how it works in diablo | 00:41 |
| summatusmentis | I don't have extras-devel setup | 00:41 |
| rm_you| | just download the deb from there | 00:41 |
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| rm_you| | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.9b-1_armel.deb | 00:42 |
| Atarii | wonder what it does in 2008he.... | 00:43 |
| lcuk_ | can i run it in vista? | 00:43 |
| summatusmentis | one moment | 00:43 |
| rm_you| | Atarii: the volume will work, the backlight just won't change | 00:43 |
| rm_you| | Atarii: I believe | 00:43 |
| Atarii | ill give it a whirl | 00:44 |
| rm_you| | Atarii: feel free to try and tell me how it works :P | 00:44 |
| rm_you| | do need people to beta test 0.9b anyway :P | 00:44 |
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| * lcuk_ always thinks he got kicked out when seeing that | 00:45 | |
| rm_you| | bbl, car done | 00:46 |
| rm_you| | post results on the ITT thread :P | 00:46 |
| summatusmentis | that means I have to find the ITT thread! | 00:47 |
| Atarii | dammit me 2 | 00:48 |
| Atarii | too* | 00:48 |
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| summatusmentis | rm_you|: works well :) | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, 'twas me. | 00:49 |
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| Toba_ | hhm | 00:53 |
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| Toba_ | lcuk_: you mentioned putting your cpu in performance acpi mode... how do you do that? | 00:54 |
| summatusmentis | I got a lock! | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | that was... twenty minutes? | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | no, less than that, I restarted a couple of times | 00:55 |
| Toba_ | way longer than it should take | 00:55 |
| summatusmentis | 5-10 probably | 00:56 |
| Toba_ | I am officially giving up on gps until i have diablo | 00:56 |
| summatusmentis | now, I'm in a building | 00:56 |
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| summatusmentis | I'm apparently travelling at 2.2km/h hour though | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | oh wait, nope | 00:57 |
| lcuk_ | Toba_, 2 mins lemme find it | 00:58 |
| darkblue_B | anyone on the channel going from San Francisco or Berkeley area to the ACM meeting tonight in Cupertino? | 00:58 |
| Toba_ | thx | 00:58 |
| Toba_ | darkblue_B: if I were in the area, I would | 00:58 |
| Toba_ | but... I am not and am unlikely to be | 00:58 |
| darkblue_B | its a long haul for me.. but I'd like to go | 00:59 |
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| summatusmentis | darkblue_B: I'll be right there, let me hop on a plane and fly across the country >_> | 00:59 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 00:59 |
| darkblue_B | :-) | 00:59 |
| Toba_ | haha | 01:00 |
| Toba_ | me too | 01:00 |
| Toba_ | one sec, gotta log into jetblue | 01:00 |
| summatusmentis | erm... the gps is sitting on my desk, telling me I'm travelling at 0.8km/h | 01:00 |
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| darkblue_B | hey! you laugh.. those marketing people dothis constantly.. I know, my wife is one | 01:00 |
| summatusmentis | I can't stand flying | 01:01 |
| Toba_ | I am okay with it | 01:01 |
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| Toba_ | but they search me a lot | 01:01 |
| Toba_ | evidently I'm suspicious or something | 01:01 |
| summatusmentis | Toba_: where's the nearest airport that flies jetblue? | 01:01 |
| summatusmentis | see, I haven't been searched once | 01:01 |
| Toba_ | I have no idea | 01:01 |
| summatusmentis | ah | 01:02 |
| * summatusmentis usually uses expedia | 01:02 | |
| lcuk_ | as root write either powersave,ondemand or performance to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (read it first to see, it should be on ondemand) | 01:04 |
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| lcuk_ | note: if you have a bad process running when it shouldnt your battery will drain more, but on my system i dont see battery drain any slower when in performance | 01:05 |
| lcuk_ | (infact nowadays i barely see battery drain at all, its not died in my hands recently) | 01:06 |
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| summatusmentis | it makes things better? | 01:07 |
| summatusmentis | do you see that much of a performance gain? | 01:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, how hard is it to see the N810's screen at zero backlight? | 01:08 |
| Atarii | whats happens if you enable that on an n800? | 01:08 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: it's off | 01:08 |
| lcuk_ | same i believe | 01:08 |
| summatusmentis | haven't tried it outside | 01:09 |
| Atarii | next to it it says "warning n800 users" | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Atarii, the backlight turns off. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try turning the backlight off on your laptop. | 01:09 |
| lcuk_ | 810 screen goes greyscale outside its a strange sensation to cover with hand and have color come back | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll have to get a giant flashlight to see the screen to change the setting. ;) | 01:09 |
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| summatusmentis | wait... maybe it's not off | 01:09 |
| Atarii | oh i see, as in so you cant see anything | 01:10 |
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| lcuk_ | use hardware keys | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but somebody with an N800 wanted to turn it off for some reason | 01:10 |
| lcuk_ | dpad to adjust | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | I lied, it's off :) | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and N810 users may want to lock out level 0. | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | it's just like any laptop backlight being off | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, not if it closes. | 01:10 |
| lcuk_ | yer good point | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | so, GeneralAntilles, the answer to your question is, in a word, very | 01:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, get a flashlight then. :P | 01:11 |
| summatusmentis | or just turn off the option :) | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you|, I pinged you earlier. | 01:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That too. | 01:11 |
| summatusmentis | he's gone | 01:11 |
| summatusmentis | he'll be back later | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | He just rejoined. | 01:12 |
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| summatusmentis | lol, oh | 01:14 |
| summatusmentis | missed that | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 01:15 |
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| Toba_ | wow | 01:18 |
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| Toba_ | it's weird not having file | 01:18 |
| rm_you | :P | 01:20 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: sup | 01:20 |
| summatusmentis | Toba_: just tried the lock again, took 2 minutes | 01:20 |
| lardman | Toba_: apt-get install file | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, so, you checked Garage recently? | 01:20 |
| Toba_ | i just did | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | We decided before that Nokia's "screen dimmed" level isn't configurable, right? | 01:20 |
| Toba_ | lcuk_: hm, editing it in nano does not seem to have 'stuck' | 01:21 |
| Toba_ | should I cat it in? | 01:21 |
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| lcuk_ | not root | 01:21 |
| lcuk_ | ? | 01:21 |
| Toba_ | no, i am | 01:21 |
| Toba_ | I did sudo gainroot | 01:21 |
| Atarii | it's always a good sign when you have a problem, search google for the answer, then find the solution is a forum post which you made :S | 01:22 |
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| Mousey | thats awesome | 01:22 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: hrm | 01:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think so | 01:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: though I think I can turn screendim off | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, then I'll file an enhancement request at some point. | 01:23 |
| Atarii | [rm_you|] Atarii: the volume will work, the backlight just won't change | 01:23 |
| Atarii | yup | 01:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: by setting a ridiculously high number for the timeout | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, moreDimmingOptions | 01:24 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:24 |
| rm_you | k | 01:24 |
| rm_you | but I can't seem to tell it what level to dim TOP | 01:24 |
| rm_you | s/TOP/TO/ | 01:24 |
| Atarii | both change with the hardware keys, which is nice :D | 01:24 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: but I can't seem to tell it what level to dim TO | 01:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to look into kernel hacks for the 770 to work with adv-backlight. | 01:24 | |
| rm_you | Atarii: yeah :P | 01:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I have it | 01:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the code is still there | 01:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: just need to enable it | 01:24 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ever look at the code? :P | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to figure out whether fanoush has some precompiled kernels for OS2007/08HE | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, a few times, but I'm thinking about device-side, not our side. ;) | 01:25 |
| rm_you | lol but | 01:26 |
| rm_you | it is our side | 01:26 |
| rm_you | we need to support the other change method | 01:26 |
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| rm_you | since 770 doesnt use dsme | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, but we already have that from way back when. | 01:26 |
| rm_you | right | 01:26 |
| rm_you | exactly | 01:26 |
| rm_you | so whats the problem? | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | :D | 01:26 |
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| rm_you | I can do that fix right now | 01:27 |
| rm_you | can already detect a 770 | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | None, I just need to figure out what exactly needs to be done for the HE kernels to get it working. | 01:27 |
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| rm_you | ah right | 01:27 |
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| rm_you | i dont know if anything does | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I can say, "770 owners, flash this kernel" | 01:27 |
| Atarii | ill happily test when you do GeneralAntilles :p | 01:27 |
| rm_you | it might straight up WORK | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Atarii, if you want to get a head start, check out fanoush's extended backlight kernel for the 770. | 01:28 |
| Atarii | kk | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is so retarded, any flash suddenly brings my browser (and whole system) to a screeching halt for 30 seconds or so whenever I open a page with it. :\ | 01:29 |
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| Atarii | GeneralAntilles do you know if fanoush's Kernel flasher works with 2008he? only up to 2007he is listed | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably, but I haven't tested it. | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-2.0 will, though. ;) | 01:33 |
| Atarii | ok, next which Extended backlight level kernel version do i go for? | 01:34 |
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| Atarii | "IT2008 on N800/810"? | 01:34 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 01:38 |
| lardman | ~lart Gnome for being crap | 01:39 |
| * infobot chops Gnome in half with a free AOL CD for being crap | 01:39 | |
| lardman | with the rate at which file browser windows randomly close down, it's a pita that they all run in the same process | 01:40 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:41 |
| rm_you | lardman: just now found a network folder i CAN'T OPEN or it crashes all of nautilus | 01:41 |
| rm_you | P.O.S. | 01:41 |
| rm_you | I like Thunar but it doesnt appear to do network browsing | 01:41 |
| lardman | rm_you: yeah I'm using sftp, it crashes far too often and I lose all my windows | 01:42 |
| rm_you | I can't believe Gnome is such a popular WM and has been around for so long and has such a HORRIBLE file manager still | 01:42 |
| lardman | KDE worked much better | 01:42 |
| rm_you | it has ALWAYS been bad | 01:42 |
| rm_you | *always* | 01:42 |
| rm_you | explorer.exe crashes less than this piece of shit | 01:42 |
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| rm_you | ... I should try to make a Maemo logo | 01:43 |
| andre____ | rm_you, file bugs with useful stacktraces against bugzilla.gnome.org | 01:43 |
| andre____ | nautilus is much more stable now compared to 2.16 | 01:43 |
| rm_you | andre____: I always do the bug submission thing <_< | 01:43 |
| rm_you | dunno what that goes to though | 01:44 |
| andre____ | hmm, what distro? | 01:44 |
| rm_you | debian | 01:44 |
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| andre____ | bugs.debian.org or bugzilla.gnome.org . but you should know where the bug goes, because normally you should receive answers by email ;-) | 01:45 |
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| rm_you | should I be giving them the email I actually check? >_> | 01:46 |
| rm_you | well, brb gotta restart X | 01:46 |
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| andre____ | well, if you're interesting in getting that stuff fixed, maybe yes :) | 01:47 |
| Atarii | love the feeling you get when something FINALLY works ofter 20 mins :D | 01:47 |
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| rm_you | Atarii: indeed :P | 01:49 |
| rm_you | Atarii: ... or 6 months :P | 01:49 |
| Atarii | ouch | 01:49 |
| rm_you | FINALLY fixed my debian server so it boots properly | 01:49 |
| rm_you | instead of once every 20 reboots, and then requiring a fsck every time on a 1Tb raid | 01:49 |
| rm_you | which takes about an hour | 01:50 |
| rm_you | anyways, I fixed that yesterday :P | 01:50 |
| rm_you | I danced | 01:50 |
| Atarii | lol i bet | 01:50 |
| Atarii | fsck ftl | 01:50 |
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| lardman | ~curse overpopulated trees | 01:52 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, overpopulated trees ! | 01:52 |
| lardman | ~lart lardman for being a muppet | 01:54 |
| * infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u lardman' for being a muppet | 01:54 | |
| lardman | hmm, school-boy error | 01:54 |
| rm_you | <_< | 01:54 |
| Atarii | who needed some n95 files? | 01:56 |
| lardman | Atarii: me please | 01:56 |
| Atarii | do you know filenames? | 01:56 |
| lardman | no, but we're looking for the powervr driver | 01:57 |
| lardman | will probably be called .dll | 01:57 |
| lardman | under system perhaps (from what I remember of my Psion series 5) | 01:57 |
| lardman | Atarii: I'd be interested to see a listing too, if you can manage that, to make sure I don't miss something | 01:58 |
| Atarii | my friend is now searching | 01:58 |
| Atarii | this may take a while :( | 01:58 |
| lardman | cool, cheers | 01:58 |
| lardman | np | 01:58 |
| lardman | derf: are you about? | 01:59 |
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| lardman | Atarii: I'm going to hit the sack, will you be online tomorrow? | 02:08 |
| Atarii | sure | 02:09 |
| Atarii | ill get him around 2moz | 02:09 |
| Atarii | that will be easier then i can do it | 02:09 |
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| rm_you | err | 02:09 |
| lardman | Cool, I'll speak to you then then, thanks | 02:09 |
| lardman | night all | 02:09 |
| Atarii | cyas | 02:09 |
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| rm_you | I thought the problem was that the powervr chip was hooked up to the omap lcd output which isnt used because the resolution wasnt acceptable | 02:10 |
| rm_you | damn missed him | 02:10 |
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| Atarii | lol | 02:10 |
| Atarii | so these drivers prob won't work anyways? | 02:10 |
| rm_you | prolly | 02:10 |
| rm_you | i thought we determined that was the problem a long time ago | 02:10 |
| rm_you | anyone know of a decent (or ANYTHING at this point) mouse/keyboard macro utility for linux? | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, it's a factor, but we should be able to do at least some acceleration. | 02:13 |
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| Atarii | GeneralAntilles do you know which "Extended backlight level kernel" version do i go for? | 02:15 |
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| lcuk_ | rm_you, the iphone runs at a lower resolution quite happy, games run at lower resolution, you enjoy movies at a lower resolution, whats wrong with wanting a jazzy interface and fast games no matter what resolution ;) | 02:16 |
| lcuk_ | hell, my program works in lower resolutions | 02:17 |
| timely | lcuk_: my first lock in berlin was fine, but once i was at my dest, i couldn't get gps fixes | 02:17 |
| timely | really annoying (i never tried w/ the n810, only some other gps) | 02:17 |
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| lcuk_ | yer, what made it doubly bad was when it did get a lock it planted me right in the middle of the frikkin ocean! i only have maps for the united kingdom so france and all the rest of europe is just sea | 02:18 |
| lcuk_ | \:|/ | 02:18 |
| timely | heh | 02:19 |
| timely | i had locks that stuck me in rome iirc | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Atarii, dunno, haven't looked into it yet. ;) | 02:20 |
| timely | although, i can't remember if that was gps or cell | 02:20 |
| timely | i think it was cell | 02:20 |
| timely | (google maps) | 02:20 |
| timely | center of the ocean could be map origin (somewhere off africa) | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, I'm not interested in ugly ass non-native resolution interfaces. :) | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, somebody needed to find the svg for the new wiki logo. :\ | 02:21 |
| rm_you | lcuk_: not too much wrong with it, just saying that Nokia put a different LCD controller in the n8x0, so the one the powervr is on isn't actually hooked up to anything | 02:22 |
| rm_you | so enabling graphics acceleration on it wont do anything | 02:22 |
| rm_you | i thought | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can use it a bit like the dsp. | 02:23 |
| lcuk_ | yes it will, the memory buffer created should be writable to main memory, if thats the case it shold be writable over the mmaped region that omapfb gets its data from | 02:23 |
| lcuk_ | if we can leave the pvr rendering textures onto triangles we can be doing lots of other stuff, like decoding movies audio game ai file processing etc which would have otherwise been used blitting data around | 02:23 |
| lcuk_ | currently a LARGE proportion of the time is taken up rendering to the screen. this machine isnt slow - it just feels it because of the graphics | 02:25 |
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| Atarii | well that was pretty cool, has remote dekstop working through both my 770 and phone at the same time | 02:33 |
| Atarii | not too practical, but something cool to show people | 02:33 |
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| Deka | Garnet VM beta 2 out today | 03:22 |
| summatusmentis | wasn't it out a while ago? | 03:22 |
| Deka | Er, I got an email on the developer list saying it was available as of today | 03:24 |
| summatusmentis | I'm probably wrong then | 03:24 |
| Deka | No, apparently they're just slow on their own news | 03:24 |
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| summatusmentis | lol, oh, ok :) | 03:25 |
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| nelson | hrm. | 04:17 |
| nelson | Four 1.2 Ni-Mh D cells won't charge the n810. | 04:17 |
| nelson | It looks to be thinking that the voltage is too low. | 04:18 |
| nelson | The n770 has the same opinion: "Bleh! Get those things away from me! They taste bad!" | 04:18 |
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| GAN800 | nelson, you need at least 5v. | 04:21 |
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| nelson | GAN800: it's 5.45 volts | 04:23 |
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| nelson | "Not charging" it says. | 04:23 |
| ds3 | AH HA! So I am not the only one who has seen it refuse to charge at 5V | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll charge off USB. | 04:24 |
| nelson | I haven't tested my n800 but I expect it will say the same thing. | 04:24 |
| ds3 | USB can be 4.5-5.5V | 04:24 |
| nelson | yeah, I've got a Li-Ion USB power supply which charges my n800. | 04:25 |
| nelson | Something goofy is going on. | 04:25 |
| ds3 | did you measure the voltage of that Li Ion supply? | 04:26 |
| ds3 | I noticed some of them actually put out 5.5V | 04:27 |
| * nelson grovels around for an appropriate connector | 04:27 | |
| ds3 | dollar store USB extension cables cut up | 04:28 |
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| nelson | haha, no, this is a large Nokia power barrel | 04:30 |
| ds3 | oh | 04:31 |
| ds3 | make or female? | 04:31 |
| ds3 | male | 04:31 |
| ds3 | there is a mail order place that has a N800 small tip to male large NOK | 04:32 |
| nelson | 5.68v | 04:32 |
| ds3 | heh | 04:32 |
| nelson | yep, definitely "heh" | 04:33 |
| nelson | I wonder if I can find a 5-cell D cell holder?? | 04:33 |
| nelson | Maybe I could glue a one-cell onto the end? | 04:34 |
| * nelson warms up the hot-melt glue gun | 04:34 | |
| ds3 | 5 cell? eh? you better restrict that to NiCd/NiMH | 04:34 |
| ds3 | or you could buy a little switcher booster | 04:34 |
| nelson | I've got a URL somewhere pointing to a page that says that the n810 will work with up to 8 volts. | 04:35 |
| ds3 | ! | 04:35 |
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| nelson | yeah, the incoming voltage is tested before it's allowed at the internal battery. | 04:40 |
| nelson | if it's too high, the ASIC down-regulates it using a switching power supply. | 04:40 |
| nelson | I mean, it's just PWM, right? | 04:40 |
| nelson | as soon as you have a software-controlled semiconductor switch on the power supply, and a way to measure the voltage, then a switching power supply is just software. | 04:41 |
| ds3 | if you are correct, I should able to do something like 8V@600mA to charge it at the same rate as 5.5V @ 1A? | 04:43 |
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| nelson | Mmmmm, not quite. 8 * .6 is only 4.8, whereas 5.5 * 1 is .... 5.5 | 04:45 |
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| ds3 | fine make it 700mA | 04:47 |
| nelson | and the switcher is going to be turning off the power supply for 5/8th of the time, so you're still only getting the 600mA. | 04:47 |
| nelson | 700mA. | 04:47 |
| ds3 | then it is not really a switcher in the normal sense | 04:47 |
| nelson | I don't have the schematics.... | 04:48 |
| * nelson grovels around for that URL. | 04:50 | |
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| nelson | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10535 | 05:03 |
| nelson | which then points to: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf.html | 05:03 |
| nelson | basically, it won't charge on anything between 5.20v and 5.5v, which matches our experience. | 05:04 |
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| nelson | ds3: did you see that? | 05:05 |
| ds3 | nice doc | 05:06 |
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| summatusmentis | is it possible to backport a-gps to chinook? | 07:04 |
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| putterson | I have the b_idle problem with usbcontrol, how, if possible, can I fix it? | 07:11 |
| putterson | btw I am using the usb cable I got with the n810 and a female female adapter | 07:11 |
| unixSnob | putterson: that won't work | 07:15 |
| putterson | unixSnob, why not? | 07:16 |
| unixSnob | The n810 usb port is not in host mode | 07:16 |
| putterson | unixSnob, and it can't be put into host mode? | 07:16 |
| putterson | through the usbcontrol app? | 07:16 |
| unixSnob | You need a special adapter (or software) to put it in host mode | 07:16 |
| unixSnob | ah, sorry, I overlooked that | 07:16 |
| unixSnob | Is usbcontrol the tool that puts it in host mode? If so, I don't know why you would have a problem | 07:17 |
| putterson | yes it is | 07:17 |
| putterson | this person accomplished it: http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/n810-native-usb-host.html | 07:17 |
| * unixSnob uses an adapter which has two of the pins soldered together, making it host mode | 07:19 | |
| putterson | I have heard of that method | 07:19 |
| putterson | where on the line does the soldering have to be done? | 07:20 |
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| unixSnob | what's the difference between "on the go" mode and host mode? | 07:31 |
| unixSnob | my adapter has OTG printed on it.. I thought it was giving me host mode | 07:31 |
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| Addison | Greetings all! | 08:09 |
| pekuja | greetings! | 08:10 |
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| Addison | Hey, anyone here good at abnormal PC troubles? | 08:10 |
| Addison | Sorry, I know this isn't the right place to go, but it's the only one I know of. | 08:10 |
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| RST38h | Addison: What kind of troubles? | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Little green devils dancing along IDE cables? | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Vampire bat infestation? | 08:12 |
| Addison | My computer squibs on me after 5 minutes with my graphics card plugged in. If it's not plugged in then I have no problems. | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Define "squibs" | 08:12 |
| Addison | If I have the colored wire thingies attached to the graphics card, but the card isn't in the motherboard doohicker, should the fan still be working for the card? | 08:13 |
| RST38h | probably, UNLESS card controls it | 08:13 |
| Addison | Squib means, bizzaro screen display and then everything locks up and then the monitor's power light starts blinking. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | ok. does this always happen at the same place in the program (or system boot process)? | 08:14 |
| Addison | Average time of squibbage is anywhere from 3 to 6 minutes. | 08:14 |
| RST38h | It is one of two then | 08:14 |
| Addison | This never happened though until I reformatted my computer using the recovery CDs that it came with though. | 08:15 |
| RST38h | 1) broken drivers (find updated drivers and install) or 2) card overheats | 08:15 |
| RST38h | I would guess #1 | 08:15 |
| Addison | Yeah, I'm thinking that it might be the card overheating. | 08:15 |
| RST38h | not likely if it worked before | 08:15 |
| Addison | Hey, I've got a picture if you don't mind looking at it.... Just give me a second on this. | 08:16 |
| RST38h | so I would start with #1 | 08:16 |
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| RST38h | probably not worth looking at - nothing can be deduced from it | 08:16 |
| Addison | I download the ATI toolie job, thinking that it might figure out my troubles. | 08:17 |
| Addison | This is the screenshot after rebooting the computer I think. | 08:17 |
| Addison | http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5461/83548235cw3.png | 08:18 |
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| RST38h | you need a new set of drivers. | 08:18 |
| Addison | Yeah? That's it? | 08:19 |
| Addison | I installed it using the CD it came with. | 08:19 |
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| RST38h | you need an updated set of drivers. google for them. | 08:19 |
| RST38h | if it is still not working after you install them, then something physical is wrong | 08:19 |
| Addison | The thing is, if I have the card installed, I get an immediate pop up error and the exact place to download them from. Problem is, with the card running, I've only got about 2 minutes left to keep the computer running. | 08:20 |
| Addison | I think the download is like 35 megs or something stupid. | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Boot in safe mode. | 08:20 |
| Addison | Okay. Sounds like a winner! | 08:21 |
| Addison | Thanks a bunch RST! | 08:21 |
| Addison | Any chance I could mail you a beer for your troubles? :o) | 08:21 |
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| RST38h | hehe, one day of use and FireFox 3 is using 100+MB of memory | 08:22 |
| Addison | Is that on your tablet or real computer RST? | 08:22 |
| RST38h | so much for "fixed memory leaks" | 08:23 |
| RST38h | Real PC | 08:23 |
| Addison | I'm not all too bright, but that sounds like it sucks. :) | 08:23 |
| Addison | By the way, RST38h, what the hell is your name all about or did you just type that in with your feet? | 08:24 |
| RST38h | google for it | 08:24 |
| Addison | Okay. | 08:24 |
| Addison | Oh wow! I have no idea you were a famous porn star! | 08:25 |
| Addison | had = have. Stupid brain. | 08:26 |
| Addison | So is your name Marat? | 08:27 |
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| Addison | Well, okay. Last question and I'll head out. | 08:39 |
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| Addison | Can I install the drivers for the graphic's card without have the actual card inside the computer? | 08:40 |
| Addison | having = have. | 08:40 |
| Addison | Well, time for me to head out anyway. | 08:43 |
| Addison | Thanks for all the help RST! | 08:43 |
| Addison | You're a good person to do so! | 08:44 |
| Addison | See ya. | 08:44 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:38 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:41 |
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| chmac | Can you make skype test calls from the maemo version? | 11:32 |
| chmac | Ok, it's working now :) | 11:32 |
| skibur | np | 11:33 |
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| chmac | Anyone on gizmo? I'd like to make a test call and see how it compares to Skype... :) | 11:34 |
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| chmac | No worries, gotta go eat | 11:36 |
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| pekuja | does anybody know about gadget (gadgetfs) driver development on maemo/n810? | 11:48 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 11:53 |
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| trickie | pekuja: what do you want to know? | 11:59 |
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| Spaceman3750 | I have a quick Canola question | 12:00 |
| pekuja | well, the thing is, I've taken the usb.c example code and even that seems to work pretty unreliably | 12:01 |
| pekuja | I often get "device not accepting address" on the host side | 12:01 |
| pekuja | and sometimes the driver fails to receive any descriptor requests from the host | 12:01 |
| Spaceman3750 | I was downloading some podcasts via the que when I exited to use my processor for more important things. Now Canola will go through its loading process but will no longer display any navigation icons. | 12:01 |
| trickie | pekuja: where is usb.c from? | 12:02 |
| pekuja | it seems like string descriptors are especially troublesome. I guess those use a different mechanism? | 12:02 |
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| pekuja | trickie, http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget | 12:02 |
| pekuja | trickie, that's a gadgetfs app | 12:02 |
| trickie | k, some of those docs are a bit out of date | 12:02 |
| trickie | ill take a look | 12:02 |
| pekuja | one thing that came to mind is whether it's just a bad idea to be using gadgetfs at this point in time | 12:02 |
| pekuja | it's still "EXPERIMENTAL" in the kernel | 12:03 |
| pekuja | And that usb.c driver was literally the only code I could find that uses gadgetfs. | 12:03 |
| pekuja | I also couldn't find any documentation on it. | 12:03 |
| pekuja | There's some for the gadget framework in general, but not really anything for gadgetfs in particular. | 12:04 |
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| hrw | 3A | 12:08 |
| hrw | morning | 12:08 |
| aquatix | hey | 12:08 |
| trickie | pekuja: i think the qemu emulator in the openmoko svn is using gadgetfs | 12:09 |
| trickie | pekuja: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c | 12:09 |
| trickie | maybe some more info there, but i gotta run... work :( | 12:09 |
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| pekuja | trickie, ok. thanks for the pointer! I'll take a look at that code :-) | 12:10 |
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| ccooke | Oh, that's amusing | 12:24 |
| ccooke | After the Vodafone-branded firmware on my phone finally died this morning, I got around to reflashing it. Surprise surprise, the generic firmware is more functional. And bluetooth works without resorting to a (sometimes) working PAN | 12:25 |
| macoute | and that reminds me of the fact, that in diablo the automatic disconnection of idle bluetooth-connection actually works | 12:27 |
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| macoute | and that is a good thing :) | 12:27 |
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| ustunozgur | does anyone know if I can change the default I'm feeling lucky search at the address bar to some different site? yubnub for example | 12:28 |
| Khertan | ccooke > operators firmware have always problem | 12:29 |
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| Khertan | ccooke > they ad their stupid application, and made custom setting that isn't very well tested and lock some setting | 12:29 |
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| Khertan | macoute > it s work 's also in chinook | 12:30 |
| Khertan | the automatic bluetooth disconnection | 12:30 |
| Khertan | at least with my 6630 :) | 12:30 |
| aquatix | yeah, generally a phone only becomes useful after flashing with generic firmware | 12:30 |
| Khertan | specially one's modified by vodafone and orange | 12:30 |
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| Khertan | orange like to replace a native s60 interface by their java interface, which slow down everything | 12:31 |
| Khertan | (that crash frequently) | 12:32 |
| aquatix | same on SE phones | 12:32 |
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| Khertan | like their parental control on windows which eat 180Mo of RAM and permanently use 15% of a amd 4800+ cpu | 12:34 |
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| Khertan | hey better gmail 2 plugin is really good for firefox ! | 12:35 |
| aquatix | Khertan: you mean on a pc? | 12:35 |
| Khertan | yes :) | 12:36 |
| aquatix | didn't know they had software for pc's | 12:36 |
| * aquatix still thinks that real parental control is the best parental control | 12:36 | |
| Khertan | hum ... i couldn't call this software ... but malware | 12:36 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 12:36 |
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| Khertan | someone know if it s sbox2 in Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance, 0.6 ? | 12:38 |
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| pyhimys | How long have you had your batteries survive? | 12:46 |
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| pyhimys | I think mine is at the end of it's lfe | 12:46 |
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| pyhimys | s/lfe/life/ | 12:46 |
| infobot | pyhimys meant: I think mine is at the end of it's life | 12:46 |
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| Khertan | pyhimys> no prob with battery from my n810 | 12:54 |
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| Khertan | but it s recent ... february :) | 12:54 |
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| pyhimys | Khertan: I've had mine for abt. 17 months now | 12:56 |
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| pyhimys | (n800) | 12:56 |
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| gomiam | pyhimys: you couldn't have had it for too much longer ;-) | 12:58 |
| pyhimys | true | 12:59 |
| pyhimys | I ordered mine immediatly as they came available | 12:59 |
| macoute | Khertan: not on my n810+e51 | 12:59 |
| macoute | but now it does work | 12:59 |
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| pyhimys | It has an annoying habit of spontaneus reboots while charging. | 13:00 |
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| lardman | hello | 13:07 |
| lardman | lcuk_: Thanks for the list, now just time to fill in the gaps | 13:07 |
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| hrw | Setting up base-files (3.1.osso2+3.1.10.osso16) ... | 13:18 |
| hrw | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst: line 130: md5sum: not found | 13:18 |
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| hrw | heh... Nokia should force their developers to learn about deps? | 13:19 |
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| Babbo | someone knows like compiling openvpn for a cpu arm? | 13:21 |
| ustunozgur | When I click on contacts, it shows all the contacts by default. Is there a way to make it show Online contacts only? | 13:21 |
| Veggen | Babbu: there exists openvpn packages. | 13:21 |
| vegai | pyhimys: I had one goof recently with n810 that I thought it was a dead battery | 13:21 |
| Veggen | (I run openvpn on my n810 towards my home network) | 13:21 |
| vegai | but it just seems that you cannot use just any Nokia charger with it. I was using a charger from my phone, and seems like that didn't work | 13:22 |
| vegai | or not 'seems like', it obviously did not work | 13:22 |
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| vegai | I wonder if they have a warning about this in the manual which I never opened :P | 13:22 |
| Babbo | to me servants for a board of the atmel with cpu arm9 | 13:22 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:22 | |
| timeless | hrw: file a bug in bugs.maemo.org | 13:23 |
| hrw | timeless: diablo packages bugs are accepted before release? | 13:23 |
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| timeless | yes | 13:24 |
| timeless | bugs are accepted when you file them | 13:24 |
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| hrw | ok | 13:24 |
| timeless | we make no guarantees about when we fix them | 13:24 |
| timeless | you can use version 4.1 for reporting it | 13:24 |
| timeless | however if you can show the bug existed in the 4.0 package, all the better | 13:24 |
| hrw | k | 13:24 |
| Babbo | Veggen : I can use the package also for my board? | 13:25 |
| Veggen | hmm. I suppose you can try grab a debian compiled package? | 13:26 |
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| Babbo | in fact, I am trying to understand like compiling openvpn for arm | 13:27 |
| hrw | timeless: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 | 13:27 |
| Babbo | I have the compiler, but the procedure lacks me:) | 13:28 |
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| timeless | hrw: um strange prod/comp | 13:28 |
| timeless | try system software/something? | 13:28 |
| hrw | ops - rgh | 13:29 |
| disq | registered for guadec! | 13:30 |
| hrw | timeless: updated | 13:30 |
| * hrw do not register for guadec | 13:30 | |
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| sp3000 | hrw: bin/md5sum is in coreutils which is essential so not generally in deps :) | 13:37 |
| sp3000 | so it's just another case of this flavor of busybox package pretending to provide things it doesn't | 13:38 |
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| hrw | Nokia-N810-51-3:/media/mmc2/APT# md5sum | 13:38 |
| hrw | -sh: md5sum: not found | 13:38 |
| hrw | sp3000: thats on n810 with os2008 fresh flashed | 13:38 |
| hrw | sp3000: so please do not tell that it is essential... this is not Debian but maemo | 13:39 |
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| sp3000 | this is information, not an argument | 13:40 |
| sp3000 | a dep on coreutils wouldn't help because of the bb--provides->coreutils | 13:41 |
| hrw | sp3000: thats bug in maemo packages | 13:41 |
| hrw | I reported it long time ago and it got 'we maybe fix it in Fremantle' | 13:41 |
| hrw | busybox Provides: field in maemo is one big bug | 13:42 |
| sp3000 | sure, it's a fun case | 13:42 |
| lcuk_ | lardman, in the daytime i miss lots of things in here (vnc refresh makes it painful to scrollback) | 13:42 |
| lardman | lcuk_: ok, no worries | 13:43 |
| sp3000 | dammit, reading the web while upgrading to hardy is difficult | 13:43 |
| lcuk_ | anyway, the quick list i built is giving me enough of an overview to see whats happening and required. theres an awful lot of cruft not required for a standard flow | 13:43 |
| timeless | sp3000: heh | 13:43 |
| hrw | sp3000: lot of stuff to fetch? | 13:43 |
| sp3000 | my browser isn't inclued to paint text :) | 13:43 |
| hrw | shit.. | 13:43 |
| sp3000 | inclined even | 13:43 |
| hrw | how to disable n810 watchdog? | 13:44 |
| timeless | flasher. | 13:44 |
| lcuk_ | hrw, remove battery ;) | 13:44 |
| hrw | Diablo upgrade is not possible with watchdog running - too much time | 13:44 |
| sp3000 | from chinook? | 13:45 |
| lardman | hrw: ah, sorry I forgot to tell you that one | 13:45 |
| sp3000 | I suppose that's a lot of small writes | 13:46 |
| lcuk_ | anyway, lardman, ill carry on looking at these, im going to see what would be needed to actually getthe engine ticking over | 13:46 |
| timeless | hrw: fwiw, you shouldn't need to include a comment when you change products | 13:46 |
| lcuk_ | back later | 13:47 |
| hrw | timeless: good to know | 13:47 |
| lardman | lcuk_: I'm going to look back over ph5's output, iirc he had some function definitions, which makes the random memory locations used in the asm a bit more understandable | 13:47 |
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| hrw | lardman: am I thinking about regenerating rootfs from Diablo packages and then flashing result | 13:47 |
| lardman | hrw: sounds reasonable, I think qwerty did something simiilar | 13:47 |
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| hrw | lardman: I even have 51.2 rootfs unpacked | 13:49 |
| hrw | 51.3 | 13:49 |
| trj | Hi, I'm using scratchbox chinook to try and build qtopia for the N800 and I'm getting "sem_timedwait returned error( 38 : Function not implemented )" in "make install" can anyone offer any advice? | 13:49 |
| lardman | is that the latest chinook one? | 13:49 |
| hrw | yes | 13:50 |
| lardman | mounting jffs2 is a pita | 13:50 |
| hrw | really? | 13:52 |
| lardman | too many steps, hard for me to remember :) | 13:53 |
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| hrw | there is 'dump.jffs2' in mtd-utils | 13:57 |
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| lardman | hrw: ah, I'll remember that one, cheers | 13:59 |
| lardman | hrw: Or just write the steps down somewhere, rather than having to do a web search every time :) | 13:59 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 14:28 |
| Khertan_ | is there a problem with maemo extras devel | 14:28 |
| Khertan_ | i get permission denied on ssh | 14:28 |
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| Khertan_ | hum it s ok now | 14:31 |
| Khertan_ | strange | 14:31 |
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| timeless | btw, http://chandlerproject.org/Projects/LogoUseGuidelines#[insert%20graphic%20here]%20is%20our%20log is worth a read | 14:35 |
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| hrw | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-b49b167e3dea11ddab11453d2c197e097e09 | 14:37 |
| hrw | bye | 14:38 |
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| trickie | ooo | 14:41 |
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| Khertan | chandler project ? someone have already try to use it ? or using it ? | 14:44 |
| Robot101 | Khertan: which project? | 14:44 |
| Khertan | it s like lotus notes ... many features ... ugly gui | 14:45 |
| Khertan | the one application which timeless is speaking about | 14:45 |
| Khertan | chandlerproject.org | 14:45 |
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| Anunakin | hi all! | 15:04 |
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| terbo | my goodness. good morning. ?) | 15:07 |
| jitu3485 | it evening | 15:08 |
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| jitu3485 | it isevening | 15:08 |
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| rdorsch | Hello, does anybody know if the 8GB limit for the miniSD card of the N810 a hardware or a OS limitation? | 15:09 |
| glass | os, afaik | 15:09 |
| glass | might not be limited at that anyways | 15:09 |
| forge | Prolly will work if you just make some neat kernel hack | 15:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rdorsch, glass, it's neither. | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a "what Nokia has tested the device with" limit | 15:11 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Hmm learnt some new wiki speak because of you ;) Thanks. | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 15:30 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The quotation thing. | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, haha. | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Another template gleefully stolen from wikipedia. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they had a plugin or template dump or something. | 15:31 |
| timeless | ping | 15:31 |
| timeless | does maemo mapper really not have a logo/icon? | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have the application installed? :P | 15:31 |
| timeless | url? | 15:31 |
| timeless | um, on my 770? yes | 15:31 |
| timeless | can i find that? no... it's at home :) | 15:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/customavatars/avatar437_1.gif :D | 15:32 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/maemo-mapper/trunk/data/icons/scalable/maemo-mapper.png ? | 15:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 15:32 |
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| timeless | can you do me a favor? :) | 15:33 |
| timeless | run through http://www.ohloh.net/tags/maemo and assign logos to things :) | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do I have to create an account first? | 15:34 |
| timeless | yes :) | 15:34 |
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| timeless | conveniently, most of the logos can be retrieved from mxr.maemo.org/garage :) | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, any progress on integrating the mediawiki into maemo.org proper? The current logo is whitespace hell. :P | 15:37 |
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| ustunozgur | bump! does anyone know if I can change the default I'm feeling lucky search at the address bar to some different site? yubnub for example | 15:37 |
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| timeless | ustunozgur: it's a pref, about:config | 15:37 |
| timeless | use firefox docs for moreinfo | 15:38 |
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| ustunozgur | timeless, yes but couldn't find the related entry. filtered with "google" | 15:39 |
| timeless | about:config?sprefname=keyword.URL | 15:40 |
| ustunozgur | ok, thank you. | 15:40 |
| timeless | how hard did you look? | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You mean the template? | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. changing the wiki.maemo.org setup so it integrates properly with maemo.org. | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You need to be more specific? :) | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, a few weeks ago we discussed changing the wiki theme to use the maemo.org header (like http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page but not shitty ;)). | 15:43 |
| Khertan | http://ohloh ... is it new ? | 15:44 |
| timeless | no | 15:44 |
| Khertan | don't know it | 15:45 |
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| ustunozgur | Ok I changed keyword.URL to http://yubnub.org/parser/parse?command= to make yubnub the default search engine, in case if anyone is interested. It defaults to google, and you can make keyword search (like wi abc for searching abc on wikipedia) | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, I could do that. If I wasn't swamped at the moment.. | 15:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right-o. ;) | 15:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles shovels more TODOs onto X-Fade. | 15:48 | |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But really, it is on my todo list. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Did you file a bug about that already? :) | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | About you not having enough TODOs or about a new layout for the wiki? :P | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I will, though. | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Thanks, that way bugzilla will remind me too. | 15:49 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 15:50 | |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pluthon/trunk/help/html/gettingstarted/ | 15:50 |
| timeless | pluthon7.PNG | 15:50 |
| timeless | who names a file .PNG | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | timeless: A Windows user ;) | 15:51 |
| aquatix | some clueless imaging program | 15:51 |
| aquatix | like paint | 15:51 |
| lardman | X-Fade: beat me to it :) | 15:51 |
| timeless | anyway, fixed in my next push | 15:52 |
| * timeless tries to find pluthon's icon | 15:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, if I've got a 64x54 will it be scaled to 64x64? | 15:53 |
| timeless | yeah | 15:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles pads. | 15:53 | |
| timeless | i'd recommend using mspaint and recentering | 15:53 |
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| * timeless fixes something else too | 15:54 | |
| * timeless finds the pluthon logo | 15:55 | |
| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/find?string=weath.*png&tree=garage&hint= | 15:57 |
| timeless | searching for hay in a haystack | 15:57 |
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| timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/omweather/trunk/omweather/data/omweather.png | 15:57 |
| timeless | is that the logo? | 15:57 |
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| biggatings | morning all | 16:04 |
| hrw | re | 16:05 |
| biggatings | i have a few questions that I would like to ask about compiling drivers for the n810 | 16:05 |
| florian | hi biggatings | 16:05 |
| florian | hrw: wb | 16:05 |
| biggatings | first: i compiled using the latest source recieved from the garage page. | 16:06 |
| biggatings | but when i attempt to insmod i get the following error: | 16:06 |
| biggatings | Invalid module format (-1) : Exec format error | 16:06 |
| biggatings | anyone have any suggestions? | 16:06 |
| florian | wrong compiler? | 16:07 |
| biggatings | i dont know. i am compiling exactly the same way as for the 800 | 16:08 |
| biggatings | but for some reason the 810 is slightly different | 16:08 |
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| biggatings | even the directory structure is different | 16:08 |
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| ustunozgur | hey guys, take a look: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193467#post193467 | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, the things I do for you. ;) | 16:10 |
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| biggatings | any ideas? | 16:12 |
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| trickie | biggatings: did you follow http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html#compilingmodules ? | 16:15 |
| trickie | biggatings: did you build your modules in scratchbox? | 16:16 |
| biggatings | yes i followed the guide and i compiled in scratch box | 16:19 |
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| trickie | biggatings: did you make sure you had the scratchbox 'profile' thingy set to ARM? | 16:32 |
| biggatings | yeah | 16:33 |
| biggatings | it is set to ARMEL | 16:33 |
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| trickie | are you actually running the latest kernel? | 16:42 |
| trickie | ah he's gone | 16:42 |
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| timeless | sp3000: apt doesn't like me | 16:51 |
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| timeless | E: Unable to parse package file armel_Packages (1) | 16:53 |
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| timeless | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/06/atari-7800-1.jpg | 16:54 |
| RST38h | hohohoho | 16:54 |
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| timeless | ok | 17:02 |
| timeless | someone *broke* apt | 17:02 |
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| Blafasel_ | Hmm.. I got a 10 WH battery - anyone able to tell me how much A & V the charging needs for this device? | 17:10 |
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| Blafasel_ | Are 5V / 350 mA (taken from the charger, if I'm correct) right? | 17:11 |
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| glass | about | 17:11 |
| glass | my charger is 5v/890ma | 17:11 |
| peterpen | Although the possibility is remote, I spoke to a guy in here about his E51 and SIP on it the other day - don't support you're still here? | 17:12 |
| peterpen | *suppose | 17:12 |
| peterpen | Naked, you about | 17:15 |
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| lardman | Atarii: ping | 17:24 |
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| Naked | peterpen: yes | 17:27 |
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| peterpen | Naked, Hi :P I got my E51 and its fantastic (the silver one) and I've got it working with my SIP phone system too | 17:29 |
| Naked | peterpen: that's great! | 17:29 |
| peterpen | I made three accounts on 'SIP Settings' one for use with 3G, one for WiFi at work, one for WiFi at home (but ultimately same connection details | 17:30 |
| peterpen | And then made on 'Internet Tel.' one profile with them all ticket | 17:30 |
| peterpen | Naked, I was wondering if you knew how to get the phone to prefer to use WiFI when it can get it - over 3G when possible | 17:30 |
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| Naked | peterpen: well, that is a bit tricky - I don't think you can automatically get it to give preferences like that | 17:32 |
| Naked | peterpen: though... I would've configured the thing with just one SIP account and one SIP profile with 3G as default - and then switch the access point on the fly when wanting to use it in a WLAN environment via the Internet Tel. option in Connections | 17:33 |
| peterpen | You mean 'SIP Settings' 'Access Point' right? | 17:34 |
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| Naked | peterpen: no, I mean 'Connectivity' 'Internet Tel.' | 17:34 |
| peterpen | you can't choose access point in that menu | 17:34 |
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| Naked | peterpen: hmh, I managed to use that at some point at least... | 17:35 |
| peterpen | Ultimately you are right anyway... it would be a bit daft if my phone roamed onto wifi and off again onto 3g everytime it came near disconnecting me from any conversation I was on | 17:36 |
| Naked | peterpen: yeah - using WiFi is okay if I know I'm going to be near the access point for the whole conversation - or if I'm not in a 3G zone | 17:36 |
| peterpen | Naked, you probably had two SIP Profiles (one for wifi, and one 3g) and ticked/unticked the profiles in 'Internet Tel.' | 17:37 |
| peterpen | Well so far I haven't had much luck getting HSDPA signal... and normal WCDMA 3G isn't good quality | 17:37 |
| Naked | peterpen: well, actually now, I managed to connect my profile to wlan access point just now - atleast I think I managed to do that | 17:37 |
| peterpen | theres about a 7 second delay in what is said to come through :( | 17:37 |
| peterpen | wifi is fine tho | 17:37 |
| Naked | ouch... | 17:38 |
| peterpen | 'three' said HSDPA would be dodgy where I live but at work shouldn't be bad at all - I beg to differ | 17:38 |
| Naked | peterpen: I get around the same delay as with WiFi over 3G | 17:38 |
| peterpen | they are building new transmitters in April anyway... so I'll wait, at least I found a network who doesn't mind VoIP and gives real broadband access on a phone | 17:39 |
| peterpen | wifi is perfect for me, no delay | 17:39 |
| glass | peterpen: what kind of pings you get in modem usage? | 17:40 |
| peterpen | not sure lemme browse to whatismyip.com or something on it | 17:40 |
| Naked | I get around 300ms pings over 3G | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~150ms on HSDPA here. | 17:41 |
| peterpen | I'm not even getting a reply | 17:41 |
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| glass | i get 150ms | 17:43 |
| glass | about | 17:43 |
| glass | when it's working right | 17:43 |
| * aquatix is jealous | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | i get 600ms iirc on gprs | 17:44 |
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| peterpen | I just get request timed out lol | 17:45 |
| glass | thats pretty high | 17:45 |
| glass | gprs 300-400ms for me | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, all the logos I currently feel like doing are done. I have one for Mamona that needs to be hacked up a bit, and know where to get one for Tapioca, but may not actually ever get around to it. | 17:46 |
| peterpen | Naked, I noticed there is Putty for Symbian, couldn't get it installed tho - have you got an SSH client on yours? | 17:47 |
| peterpen | I wonder how I could 'ping' from an E51 :P | 17:48 |
| peterpen | 'Ping for Symbian' lol | 17:48 |
| macoute | 300 gprs is pretty good actually | 17:49 |
| glass | i know quite a few people who use the s60 putty | 17:49 |
| macoute | 400-500 is more commn | 17:49 |
| macoute | common | 17:49 |
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| peterpen | glass, I have an inkling it won't work with an E51 | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | There is a self-signed S60V3 version of Putty. | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | (It means no hacks, boys ;)) | 17:50 |
| peterpen | yes but do I need S60v4 for that? | 17:50 |
| peterpen | *v3 | 17:50 |
| glass | s60 3rd ed | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | E51 is S60V3 iirc | 17:51 |
| glass | peterpen: it should work | 17:51 |
| glass | peterpen: as long as you get the 3rd ed version | 17:51 |
| peterpen | oh yeah, you know I tried that and it wouldn't install | 17:51 |
| glass | and have the settings on appmanager that it will install selfsigned stuff | 17:51 |
| glass | some fw's have it off by default | 17:51 |
| peterpen | the PGP file? | 17:51 |
| peterpen | right | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Eh# | 17:51 |
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| glass | eh pgp? | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | glass, Do you know if the N-Gage platform was released for E51? | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 17:52 |
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| glass | qwerty12: afaik no | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Pong | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Not E51, E90 | 17:52 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok thanks | 17:52 |
| glass | qwerty12: it would probably run if installed though | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should I go ahead and assign my mediawiki integration bug to you? | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I'd have to look into that. I know the phones are hacked and I could extract the sisx myself but I don't want to buy a phone and find out it doesn't work, otherwise, I may as well get N95 :) | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, poor Ferenc has enough tasks for now ;) | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:53 |
| glass | qwerty12: ngage platform definetely shouldn't be your choosing point | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | I used to have an N-Gage and I liked the games :) | 17:54 |
| glass | qwerty12: other criteria like form factor should decide if you get e90 or not | 17:54 |
| glass | qwerty12: plenty of games for e90 | 17:54 |
| glass | qwerty12: e90 has best s60 screen too | 17:55 |
| glass | qwerty12: and the 3d hw | 17:55 |
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| peterpen | glass, I had to turn off the 'always self sign' thing and then it installed | 18:02 |
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| qwerty12 | That's mentioned in the install notes. | 18:02 |
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| ScriptFanix | hi | 18:02 |
| lopz | hi | 18:03 |
| peterpen | couldn't install aspicore ping to do a ping tho as its for s60v2 | 18:03 |
| peterpen | can't wait until the N810/N830 WiMax comes to the UK - no more phones :) | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as an "N830". :) | 18:04 |
| ScriptFanix | Are there any way to get the N800 (OS2008) to act as a BT headset for a phone ? | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | I'll always need a phone :) but the N800 has replaced my P1i though. | 18:04 |
| peterpen | GeneralAntilles, a marketing poster used that term :P | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it didn't | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was a 1 | 18:04 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: can i have your p1i? | 18:04 |
| peterpen | GeneralAntilles, http://mobilarena.hu/dl/new/2008-02/33592_n830.jpg | 18:04 |
| peterpen | it's a 3 | 18:04 |
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| qwerty12 | aquatix, I gave it to my sister :/ | 18:05 |
| aquatix | aww | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Walkman 3.0 was nice on it though. | 18:05 |
| * aquatix awaits the p5 | 18:06 | |
| aquatix | i have the m600i now | 18:06 |
| aquatix | completely replaced my palm | 18:06 |
| aquatix | certainly in combo with the n810 | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There was a lot of discussion about it on itT | 18:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either way, the N830 doesn't exist. | 18:06 |
| aquatix | indeed | 18:06 |
| aquatix | it's just the n810 wimax edition | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the "Nokia N810 Internet Tablet WiMAX Edition" | 18:07 |
| aquatix | 'xactly | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | That's quite a mouthful. | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810W | 18:07 |
| Khertan | hop hop .... mCalendar 0.2.1 uploaded to extras-devel | 18:07 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 18:08 |
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| * aquatix will install mcalendar when back home | 18:08 | |
| Khertan | this is still alpha :) | 18:08 |
| Khertan | backup your google agenda | 18:08 |
| * aquatix barely uses the google agenda | 18:08 | |
| aquatix | i have all my stuff on my m600i | 18:08 |
| aquatix | still need to find a reliable way of synching | 18:08 |
| * aquatix goes home | 18:09 | |
| qwerty12 | MyPhoneExplorer worked a little bit with my P1i. In beta and was slow but it did backup my contacts fine. | 18:09 |
| * Khertan is looking at his things to do ... too many things ... mContact (with google sync) ... fixing pypackager to make clean packet ... bug fix on mCalendar ... | 18:10 | |
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| Khertan | ... add some features to pygtkeditor ... | 18:10 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Be sure to include some of your mockups ;) | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 18:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't get anything past you, can I? :P | 18:26 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That second monitor really helps :) | 18:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles has 4 woo! | 18:26 | |
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| aquatix | 4 monitors? | 18:27 |
| aquatix | wow | 18:27 |
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| Zmiko_ | lucky | 18:27 |
| * aquatix has two at work, 1 large one at home | 18:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Great productivity boost. | 18:27 |
| * Zmiko_ has 1.5 | 18:27 | |
| X-Fade | Only 2 24's here. And ofcourse the laptop. | 18:27 |
| * aquatix has a 30" at home :P | 18:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the 4th one with IRC is probably a productivity reducer, actually. | 18:28 |
| * Proteous has 3 7/8ths | 18:28 | |
| Zmiko_ | i don't count a 12" as a whole monity | 18:28 |
| * aquatix does a little nana-bigger-than-yours dance | 18:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine are relatively small, two 20" and two 19". | 18:28 |
| aquatix | Zmiko_: :) | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's nice for compartmentalizing things. | 18:28 |
| Proteous | yeah, you don't want stuff on one monitor to infect the stuff on the other monitors | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | Well, I can do my work on 2 because they are 1920x1200. Enough space for now.. | 18:29 |
| aquatix | indeed | 18:29 |
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| lardman|afk | GeneralAntilles: how have you got them arranged? | 18:31 |
| aquatix | anyways | 18:31 |
| aquatix | gone home | 18:31 |
| lardman|afk | GeneralAntilles: I always thought that with >3 I'd have to go up as well as along | 18:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/setupfeb08.jpg | 18:32 |
| aquatix | whoa | 18:32 |
| aquatix | that looks extremely geeky | 18:32 |
| * aquatix wants | 18:32 | |
| lardman|afk | draging and dropping must use quite some brain power! :) | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I lose the mouse pointer every once and a while. | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, it helps in preventing to sit too long in the same position ;) | 18:33 |
| Zmiko_ | thta QWAOMW | 18:33 |
| Zmiko_ | thats awesome | 18:33 |
| Zmiko_ | oops | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:33 |
| skibur | http://www.skibur.com | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I paid less than $200 for the non-Apple monitors, so it's not too expensive, either. | 18:33 |
| skibur | I will add my N800 hacks | 18:33 |
| skibur | :D | 18:33 |
| skibur | enjoy | 18:33 |
| lcdd | you can save energy and neck strain with virtual desktops | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcdd, meh, not really. | 18:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Having to bounce over to the IRC desktop to check would be a pain | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | and having to bounce back and forth between, say, the code and the browser. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | No thanks. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do have iTunes and Mail in virtual desktops right now, though. | 18:34 |
| lcdd | it's faster than refocusing eyes elsewhere | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | For you, maybe. | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, this works for me. :) | 18:35 |
| lcdd | 19" was kinda confined but one now with one 24" monitor i don't see the need for another | 18:37 |
| Zmiko_ | what size are they? | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2x19" and 2x20" | 18:37 |
| lcdd | unless there are more machines | 18:37 |
| hrw | I have one 20" and no space for other | 18:37 |
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| Zmiko_ | i dpm | 18:37 |
| lcdd | s/one // | 18:38 |
| Zmiko_ | I don't have the money for another | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | is there a good master list of decent repositories out there for the n800? | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tenkawa, Extras and Extras-devel. | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | gronmayer | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | yeah.. got those already | 18:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe throw FBReader and nitapps.com in there. | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | first time I booted this thing in about 3 months | 18:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Speaking of which, has anybody poked ag2 about closing down his repo? | 18:38 |
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| Tenkawa | so Ifigured I'd see if theres any new ones out there that are any good | 18:39 |
| * X-Fade bangs his head on the table everytime somebody asks for a list of repositories... NOOOOO.. | 18:39 | |
| Tenkawa | X-Fade: why? | 18:39 |
| Tenkawa | whats so bad about it? | 18:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, if I can get FBReader and nitapps.com into Extras, I can stick to pushing just Extras(-devel). ;) | 18:39 |
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| X-Fade | I try to reduce the need for multiple repositories ;) | 18:39 |
| Tenkawa | X-Fade: ok thats a dam* good reason | 18:39 |
| Tenkawa | I thought it would be for something else | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still no progress here: http://fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=108 | 18:40 |
| hrw | ok, next attempt to diablo upgrade | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, dinner time. bbl. | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to e-mail them or something. | 18:40 |
| Tenkawa | is there likely to even be a 3rd os2008 release or a os2009 release at all? | 18:40 |
| hrw | argh.. | 18:41 |
| hrw | my n810 does not charge enough | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tenkawa, there wont be an OS2009 release. ;) It'll be Maemo 5. | 18:41 |
| Tenkawa | ah | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo is coming out in a few weeks. | 18:41 |
| Tenkawa | doh... I have extras. but not extras-devel | 18:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're pretty sure it'll be the last OS2008 update. | 18:41 |
| Tenkawa | does the maemo.org site have the repos setup info? | 18:42 |
| Tenkawa | for that app catalog | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | Just go on gronmayer and add it from there | 18:43 |
| hrw | argh | 18:43 |
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| lardman | whoa, what's with the new wiki start page? | 18:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What about it? | 18:47 |
| lardman | It doesn't have many things on it | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're just getting started. ;) | 18:48 |
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| lardman | shall I add http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia? | 18:48 |
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| Tenkawa | thanks all | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | cheers | 18:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, sounds like a plan. http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Community | 18:50 |
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| macoute | GeneralAntilles: your bug raport has one major issue - if that "bug" is solved, why dont we add all the possible other program to extras as well? | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, which bug? | 18:51 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: the fbreader to extras-bug | 18:52 |
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| crashmatrix | weird... does initfs_flash fail univerally for the n810? | 18:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | macoute, all Maemo programs should be added to Extras(-devel) | 18:52 |
| macoute | i havent used (only tested) fbreader, but in general i think that officially maintained repos should only contain very well maintained progs | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just focusing on one program at a time. ;) | 18:52 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: not at all, imo | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader is maintained very well. | 18:53 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: they dont have all the linux apps in debian repos, do they? | 18:53 |
| dieman | fbreader rocks | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Extras isn't official maintained, it's a community repo. | 18:53 |
| crashmatrix | I'm trying to run the script but /dev/mtdblock3 won't mount | 18:53 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: but near official | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/official/officially/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: and Extras isn't officially maintained, it's a community repo. | 18:53 |
| crashmatrix | also, I cannot insmod anything :/ | 18:53 |
| macoute | crashmatrix: no it doesnt ffail | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, that's what Extras-devel is for. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | For stuff under development. | 18:53 |
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| dieman | /tpo/topic | 18:54 |
| crashmatrix | anyone any idea's why mtdblock3 (initfs) won't mount btw? | 18:54 |
| lardman | Where's the help page....? | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, for? | 18:54 |
| lardman | Adding urls for example | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, how familiar are you with the whole repository issue and maemo? | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | crashmatrix, Maybe because it's already and always mounted ;) | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 18:55 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: pretty familiar in general, not that familiar with extras policy | 18:55 |
| crashmatrix | qwerty12: that's a negative, only block 4 is mounted atm | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Check /mnt/initfs. | 18:55 |
| Khertan | only a few weeks for diablo ? | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, the problem we have now is very apparent if you load up gronmayer.com/it | 18:56 |
| Khertan | hum ... i must hurry up to update pypackager | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are too many repositories being opened up for no good reason. | 18:56 |
| crashmatrix | qwerty12: is mounted from /dev/root | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | This negatively impacts user experience. | 18:56 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: how familiar are you with the repositories in linux in general? :) | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, just browse around itT for a bit to see all the users who have been turned off because of the repository mess. | 18:56 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles> it was open up for good reason ... uploading to extras was a real pain | 18:56 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: that is the issue in all the repositories in general | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, not very, I don't use Linux. | 18:57 |
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| Khertan | (and i insist on "was") | 18:57 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: Ok thanks, can we have something maemo.org specific, a link or something? | 18:57 |
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| macoute | GeneralAntilles: how messed up they would be if the progs they download from the repos that are shipped with their tablet would crash frequently? | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, I think you need to do some reading up on the issue. ;) | 18:57 |
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| Khertan | macoute > this why there is extras and extras-devel | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | I'd like a single repo. Why? Because the application manager shits out with many. | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are two repos that should be used Extras, which is where good packages that wont crash your system should go, and Extra-devel, where the alpha and beta stuff should go. | 18:58 |
| macoute | Khertan: we are talking about extras :) | 18:58 |
| Khertan | one point to qwerty12 :) | 18:58 |
| Khertan | macoute > ok sorry | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, Extras == Extras(-devel). | 18:58 |
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| macoute | GeneralAntilles: yeah, so only one repo for community maintained apps? | 18:59 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: one "official" community maintained, to be more exact | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Consolidation_of_extras http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_extras_repository_proposal http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras_repository_process_definition | 19:00 |
| lardman | macoute: One repo for known-good community apps, one repo for testing community apps; no other repos. | 19:00 |
| lardman | if possible | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | macoute, I'm kinda in the middle of something right now, and don't really have time to try and explain this to you. :) | 19:01 |
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| macoute | GeneralAntilles: theres no need for you to explain anything as i know what im talking about :) | 19:01 |
| macoute | and your links showed that to me in the first sight | 19:02 |
| macoute | Nokia: There are many applications that would increase the wealth of our product, but me must guaranty * Ease of use * Quality (and i would also add) * Security | 19:02 |
| macoute | so we just can't have only one or two repos | 19:02 |
| lardman | yes, why is that troubling you? | 19:02 |
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| macoute | we need one for the latest, stable, known-good progs, one for the latest versions of these same apss (which can crash and be in the middle of development) and one for crappy/development software | 19:03 |
| macoute | thats a minimum imo | 19:03 |
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| lardman | ok, well it's not far off what is planned | 19:04 |
| macoute | pinning is not very user-friendly, you see | 19:04 |
| macoute | lardman: oki. :) | 19:04 |
| macoute | lardman: my original point was the fbreader-case. i think that GeneralAntilles's bug report was not complete as he just said that "this is an application for maemo, lets put it to extras" | 19:05 |
| lardman | so you effectively think we should have stable, testing & unstable? | 19:05 |
| lardman | macoute: yes, I think "extras" has come to mean somewhere in the whole lot | 19:05 |
| macoute | lardman: yeah, i think that is a good way to maintain repos | 19:06 |
| macoute | lardman: i come from debian ;) | 19:06 |
| lardman | I'm not sure that there's so much software that 3 repos are needed | 19:07 |
| lardman | macoute: I'd assumed as much :) | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | I dunno, to me, testing and unstable are the same thing. Which equals -devel. | 19:07 |
| lardman | same here | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Remember, we have only one version of each os. (Well, kinda) | 19:08 |
| macoute | qwerty12: but do you think that in -extras we should have ALL the possible maemo software around? | 19:08 |
| macoute | it means also my 15-line-of-code clock applet would go to extras-devel | 19:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | macoute, no, and that was never my point. | 19:09 |
| macoute | shouldnt we have a place for that software too? (as these can develop into a good software) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Why not, I'd put the working, stable software in Extras, the unstable, beta stuff in -devel and move it to Extras when finished. | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stuff like the Hebrew input methods that can quite easily break the system should have its own repo. | 19:10 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i know. and fbreader seemed a pretty good and stable software. but im talking in general | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But MOST stuff should go into Extras. | 19:10 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: that is testing :) | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and FBReader is one of these things. | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | They SHOULDN'T be opening up their own repositories. | 19:10 |
| macoute | yeah, of course own repo for every software is not a good thing :) | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was exactly my point. | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which you seemed to want to argue with | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus my irritation. | 19:11 |
| macoute | GeneralAntilles: im sorry if i irritated you, my point was not to argue, but show you that there are other sides in this case but only the need to get a lot software easily available to end-users | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sides that I'm largely already aware of. :) | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which was why I recommended reading up on it. | 19:14 |
| macoute | and in OSS you can't really stop people maintaining as much repos as they want | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, but you can discourage them from doing that and provide lots of incentive to use the centralized repos. | 19:14 |
| macoute | now i can show you actually one really good example why we can't have just 2 repos | 19:15 |
| macoute | http://antimirov.blogspot.com/2008/06/maemo-mapper-yandex-maps.html | 19:15 |
| macoute | where would you add that maemo mapper version ^ | 19:15 |
| macoute | "May be in a few days I'll test and polish what I got now and create special .deb package for Yandex-only mapper" | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | awhat is Ynadex? | 19:16 |
| summatusmentis | Yandex* | 19:16 |
| macoute | as it is very likely that in some days/weeks/months that "fork" is again a part of maemo mapper. | 19:16 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: It's a mapping service for Eastern Eurpoe friom the looks of it | 19:17 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: oh | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Russian web portal iirc from the time I spent on Russian sites | 19:17 |
| macoute | but while it isnt, it really cant be in extras but it can be really useful for some people AND stable | 19:17 |
| lardman | macoute: well it can live in devel then.. | 19:17 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what are you doing on russian sites? | 19:17 |
| macoute | it cant be in extras-devel either, as there lays the dev-version of maemomapper | 19:17 |
| lardman | macoute: they have different names | 19:18 |
| lardman | presumably | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Stuff for me phone. Anything I didn't understand, I'd give to a friend to translate (after trying google). Plus they know a shitload bout some hardcore computer hacking stuff. | 19:18 |
| summatusmentis | intriguing | 19:18 |
| macoute | well, that was just my 2 cents which growed up to at least 5 euro bill | 19:19 |
| macoute | :) | 19:19 |
| lardman | macoute: I think the point is that it will make things better; it may not be ideal, but let's see how it goes and we can modify with that experience | 19:20 |
| lcuk_ | GeneralAntilles, fbreader has its own repo because its available for different distros isnt it? | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, their maemo repository is just a maemo repository. | 19:21 |
| lcuk_ | ie from their perspective having it on their own servers for each distro type makes sense | 19:21 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: I think it was just easier for the developer | 19:21 |
| lcuk_ | i 100% see the need for us having it in extras, but who is going to keep it updated? | 19:21 |
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| lardman | lcuk_: It shouldn't be a problem really, the code should compile, just throw it at the autobuilder and if it doesn't build take 5min to fix | 19:22 |
| lcuk_ | its refreshed and maintained often and new releases, can extras do automatic update checking? | 19:22 |
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| lcuk_ | lardman, i know the autobuilder will do it, but someone has to push the update into extras itself - after this initial push wont it get forgotten? or can extras itself poll the remote repos to check for updates? | 19:23 |
| lcuk_ | ive seen fbreader push 2/3 updates in a single day | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Fbreader uses it's own libbz2 as well, would -dev packages be allowed to be installed on the autobuilder? | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you upload it to Extras and it'll grab the dependency. | 19:24 |
| macoute | eh, extras shouldnt update on a daily basis never | 19:24 |
| lardman | lcuk_: If someone took the time to update it once a week I'm sure it would not bother most people | 19:24 |
| macoute | not even weekly basis, i think | 19:24 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Ah, nice, thanks for clearing that up. | 19:24 |
| lcuk_ | i dunno, this is what im asking you lot : i know nothing about packaging but just think getting one version and letting it go stale wont be great.. fbreader people will just end up recommending maemo folks add the fbreader repo for latest updates | 19:24 |
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| lardman | macoute: I disagree, if the packages are not fresh, people will look elsewhere | 19:24 |
| macoute | lardman: yeah, from the testing/unstable | 19:25 |
| lcuk_ | lardman :) one fbreader update broke totally my text reading whilst it left people with other ebook formats working.... 1 week would make me pull my hair out | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_, new FBReader version comes out, FBReader devs upload it and the new libz to autobuilder and it gets pushed to Extras. | 19:25 |
| macoute | but the normal user, who wants his apps to be stable doesnt want untested patches to his software everyday | 19:25 |
| lardman | macoute: depends how much one needs to do to go from -devel to extras proper | 19:25 |
| lardman | macoute: he needn't upgrade | 19:25 |
| lardman | macoute: but not untested patches I agree | 19:26 |
| Khertan | bye | 19:26 |
| lcuk_ | back soon.. | 19:26 |
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| macoute | lardman: and the testing takes more than a day, right? | 19:26 |
| lardman | macoute: I have no idea :) | 19:26 |
| macoute | i think fbreader version x.xx should be in extras, but version x.xx+1 should be in -devel and be frequently updated | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | mplayer works like that | 19:27 |
| macoute | and at some point we get a freeze and change x.xx+1 to extras and start deving from x.xx+2 in -devel | 19:27 |
| macoute | qwerty12: every software should | 19:27 |
| macoute | imo | 19:27 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I've got a salutary story for you to read | 19:27 |
| macoute | but hey, it is a good thing we had this discussion, wasnt it | 19:28 |
| lardman | qwerty12: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4168112.ece be careful! ;) | 19:28 |
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| macoute | i do agree to your point that maemo cant be dev'd like debian (which is a bit bigger project) but i do think that "lets put everything in extras" wouldnt work either | 19:29 |
| RST38h | it is a good goal though | 19:29 |
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| macoute | to have everything in extras? | 19:29 |
| lardman | "extras" where that is the stable & devel repos at least | 19:30 |
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| RST38h | macoute: yes, everything stable, anyway | 19:31 |
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| qwerty12_1 | lardman, sorry, wifi adapter messed up. So, where is this story? :D | 19:32 |
| lardman | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4168112.ece be careful! ;) | 19:32 |
| lardman | :D | 19:32 |
| qwerty12_1 | Oh, is this the arms thing? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12_1 | Ah, maybe not | 19:32 |
| RST38h | lardman: what is there? (i amusing a cellphone) | 19:32 |
| lardman | Story about a boy who hacked into college (iirc) computers & changed grades | 19:33 |
| lardman | Maximum prison term is ~40y | 19:33 |
| RST38h | uk? | 19:34 |
| qwerty12_1 | lardman, Ha, but I ain't been caught :P. I just use my powers to mess up the computers, and open ports to play some online games. But this is why I shall not read the times again: "installed spyware on school hard drives that allowed him to access the computers from remote locations." | 19:34 |
| lardman | RST38h: the boy is in the US I think | 19:34 |
| RST38h | us? wonderful | 19:35 |
| qwerty12_1 | Yeah, CA | 19:35 |
| macoute | the greatest country of all, huh? :D | 19:35 |
| macoute | well, that was not appropriate, sorry | 19:35 |
| RST38h | sunny liberal california? | 19:35 |
| lardman | home time, bye | 19:35 |
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| macoute | RST38h: same state, i presume | 19:36 |
| * RST38h giggles uncontrollably | 19:36 | |
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| macoute | RST38h: i believe this guy is the head of state http://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/terminator_004.jpg | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | People's Republic of Kalifornia | 19:36 |
| * macoute giggles even more | 19:36 | |
| RST38h | everything goes according to the pan! | 19:36 |
| qwerty12_1 | macoute, lol | 19:36 |
| RST38h | plan, sorry | 19:37 |
| RST38h | The Gouvernator(tm) | 19:37 |
| RST38h | the next logical step would be to replace death sentences and long jail terms with exile | 19:38 |
| macoute | i just think it is a massive fun pasting the pictures of the governor of CA all across the irc, dont know why? :) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | just go see some movie | 19:39 |
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| Atarii | right i have the N95, where are these files meant to be? | 19:50 |
| Atarii | ive checked every folder and cant find any dlls | 19:50 |
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| lcuk_ | atarii, perhaps its like the file manager on maemo - not showing system areas? | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | re btw | 19:58 |
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| qwerty12_1 | Atarii, Which dlls? (You aren't talking about Z: right?) | 19:59 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Well, at least, I have an excuse for not reinstalling linux :/ : http://i29.tinypic.com/15ht1w.jpg | 20:08 |
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| Khertan | Hi again | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 20:14 |
| Khertan | x-fade > ping | 20:14 |
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| Khertan | x-fade > does the bomberman source package is well builded in chinook ? (work with autobuilder) | 20:14 |
| Khertan | hi qwerty12 | 20:15 |
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| Khertan | hum maemo-wordpy passed the autorebuild on extras | 20:21 |
| lcuk | \o hi hkertan | 20:21 |
| lcuk | -typos | 20:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:21 |
| * lcuk wonders how he manages to write software when he makes so many mistakes | 20:22 | |
| Khertan | lol ... | 20:22 |
| Khertan | compiler check help a lot | 20:22 |
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| Khertan | imagine your life tracking bug without :) | 20:22 |
| lcuk | not really, for years i used a variable called canvass.. | 20:22 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: I've sort of been wondering the same thing throughout Summer of Code | 20:22 |
| lcuk | khertan :) before i got gcc working in scratchbox or on device i walked through the sdl code to see what was happening and why it wasnt doing as i thought it should | 20:23 |
| Khertan | ? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | i catch more bugs than the compiler :) | 20:24 |
| Khertan | lol | 20:24 |
| lcuk | are you on the train now and if so, what do you use for your connection? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | holy mother of god, the heavens just opened and its hailstoning \o/ | 20:25 |
| dieman | how large? | 20:25 |
| dieman | [don't say marble] | 20:25 |
| dieman | :) | 20:25 |
| dieman | the training i go to every couple years to keep my 'storm spotter' certification up has a good joke about marble sized hail | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | nahhh just large enough to send the local kids scattering | 20:26 |
| dieman | ahh | 20:26 |
| dieman | peas | 20:26 |
| dieman | we had some 5cm hail (~2in) a couple years ago | 20:26 |
| lcuk | where r u? | 20:26 |
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| * lcuk has never seen hail that big | 20:27 | |
| dieman | along with 128.7 km wind gusts | 20:27 |
| dieman | (80mph) | 20:27 |
| dieman | Minneapolis, MN USA | 20:27 |
| Khertan | lcuk > i m in the train | 20:27 |
| Khertan | i use a 6630 :) | 20:27 |
| dieman | near minneapolis | 20:27 |
| dieman | anyhow, yeah, 2in hail is scary | 20:27 |
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| dieman | had to replace the roof and siding | 20:27 |
| lcuk | dieman :) americans always supersize things | 20:28 |
| Khertan | lol | 20:28 |
| lcuk | khertan :) hope the data cost isn't too high | 20:28 |
| * lcuk stops smiling | 20:28 | |
| Khertan | nope | 20:28 |
| dieman | lcuk: haha | 20:29 |
| Khertan | i use a turn arround | 20:29 |
| dieman | http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/photos/index.php?v=view&i=27&p=2005/Storm%209-21-05/dscn0089.jpg | 20:29 |
| dieman | thats what it looked like coming in | 20:29 |
| dieman | then i took a few more shots and hit the basement | 20:29 |
| dieman | because there was a tornado report :/ | 20:29 |
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| Khertan | data on dns port isn t count | 20:30 |
| Khertan | so i use tunneling to home | 20:30 |
| lcuk | thats the right idea: quick photos and then cower | 20:30 |
| lcuk | hehe khertan, crafty | 20:30 |
| dieman | lcuk: did you see the tornado photo on nytimes this week? | 20:30 |
| Khertan | but else data cost is 1Mo for 1Euros | 20:30 |
| Khertan | very too high | 20:30 |
| lcuk | no, generally dont read us papaers too often | 20:31 |
| crashmatrix | anyone here know why I can't mount /dev/mtdblock3 on my n810? | 20:31 |
| dieman | actually | 20:31 |
| dieman | its on one of their blogs | 20:31 |
| dieman | lcuk: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/a-remarkable-photo-from-tornado-country/ | 20:31 |
| dieman | that would have scared the pants off of me | 20:31 |
| lcuk | khertan, you pinging? | 20:32 |
| * lcuk hasnt seen that msg before | 20:32 | |
| dieman | im happy data is cheap here, $20 USD for unlimited GPRS | 20:32 |
| dieman | but, then again, its only GPRS | 20:33 |
| dieman | not 3g | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | dieman, ahhh i did see that pic and other clouds similar | 20:33 |
| crashmatrix | for 20 euro's I can get national 3g coverage in the netherlands | 20:33 |
| dieman | not bad | 20:34 |
| dieman | we dont even have 3g here yet on t-mobile | 20:34 |
| crashmatrix | if only I had a 3g phone | 20:34 |
| dieman | i could go with at&t, but they want ~$60 USD | 20:34 |
| dieman | a month | 20:34 |
| lcuk | i have 3g phone and network, but igot a crappy phone so its modem is locked inside and it wont share with bluetooth devices | 20:34 |
| dieman | ahh | 20:35 |
| crashmatrix | but I'm quite happy with my unlimited GPRS contract, 10 euro's a month isn't much | 20:35 |
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| * lcuk paid £25 for phone and tops up | 20:35 | |
| dieman | ive got a nokia 6086 right now | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | dieman, the non-tethering data plan will work well enough. ;) | 20:35 |
| crashmatrix | but no clues anyone? | 20:35 |
| dieman | has uma/gan service too, so it can make calls via wifi | 20:35 |
| dieman | GeneralAntilles: ahh, no idea | 20:35 |
| dieman | GeneralAntilles: how much is that on at&t? | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have what used to be called the MediaMAX 200 plan. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | $20/mo | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | crashmatrix, how do i list my the devices mounted | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | "unlimited" | 20:36 |
| dieman | GeneralAntilles: not bad | 20:36 |
| lcuk | so i can check where its meant to be | 20:36 |
| lcuk | omg, my nokia is dead | 20:36 |
| crashmatrix | lcuk: type mount with no parameters? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | i cant type feck yet | 20:36 |
| crashmatrix | omg :o | 20:36 |
| Khertan | yes i ve made a ping :) | 20:38 |
| Khertan | for 20 euros i can get 20Mo on 3g or gprs | 20:38 |
| Khertan | france powa :( | 20:38 |
| crashmatrix | thank god I don't have any limits on that thing :/ | 20:38 |
| lcuk | khertan, make sure you dont download any songs on your nokia - then you wont have anything | 20:39 |
| lcuk | this is still dead | 20:39 |
| summatusmentis | dieman: you're in Minneapolis? I go to school in MOrris | 20:39 |
| summatusmentis | s/MOrris/Morris/ | 20:40 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: dieman: you're in Minneapolis? I go to school in Morris | 20:40 |
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| Khertan | i don t have song | 20:40 |
| lcuk | are we meant to have screenburn? | 20:40 |
| Khertan | i hear it by streaming | 20:40 |
| dieman | summatusmentis: cool, are you at UMN in morris? | 20:40 |
| dieman | summatusmentis: I actually work for the U here in TC | 20:40 |
| Khertan | dns tunnheling powa :) | 20:40 |
| summatusmentis | dieman: oh cool. Yeah, I'm at UMM, getting ready to be a second year CSCI student | 20:41 |
| Khertan | a very well know way to bypass data limitation :) | 20:41 |
| dieman | summatusmentis: ahh, cool. forget they have a program out there. | 20:41 |
| dieman | summatusmentis: im a csci student here at TC | 20:41 |
| lcuk | i have taken the battery out and i can still read nokia on the screen | 20:41 |
| dieman | lcuk: i've seen my screen do that under some lighting conditions | 20:42 |
| dieman | on the n810 | 20:42 |
| summatusmentis | dieman: TC wouldn't let me in :) I was waitlisted like 3 times | 20:42 |
| dieman | summatusmentis: yeah, its gotten really bad now i guess. | 20:42 |
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| dieman | summatusmentis: did you apply for IT only, or IT and CLA? | 20:42 |
| summatusmentis | both | 20:42 |
| dieman | ok | 20:42 |
| summatusmentis | I'm an out-of-state student, and applied on the 14th at like 11:30(15th being the deadline) | 20:42 |
| dieman | when i got in it was CLA, and i had good enough grades to get in on the gauranteed thing they had | 20:43 |
| dieman | ahh yeah | 20:43 |
| summatusmentis | I think that's part of the reason | 20:43 |
| dieman | out of state people get screwed :/ | 20:43 |
| dieman | i was in-state and super early | 20:43 |
| summatusmentis | UMM has no out of state tuition, and sent me a letter telling me to apply :) | 20:43 |
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| dieman | heh | 20:43 |
| lcuk | when charging it normally says "charging" under the little power icon thing doesnt it (not on desktop, its just at bootup | 20:43 |
| summatusmentis | so it's all good | 20:43 |
| dieman | they are trying to abolish out of state tution overall i think | 20:43 |
| summatusmentis | that'd be awesome | 20:44 |
| * lcuk wipes the sweat from brow | 20:44 | |
| summatusmentis | I've thought about transferring, but I don't really need to | 20:44 |
| dieman | if you really like the atmosphere at morris | 20:47 |
| dieman | i'd stay there | 20:47 |
| dieman | TC is a culture shock | 20:47 |
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| dieman | or if you plan on going beyond a ugrad degree | 20:48 |
| dieman | dunno, im still working on my ugrad, doing full time work and part time school | 20:48 |
| dieman | it will only take forever minus a day :) | 20:48 |
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| summatusmentis | yeah, I'm happy at morris, wish it were bigger though | 20:52 |
| summatusmentis | I live in St. Paul up through my 6th grade year, so I'm not unfamiliar w/ the cities | 20:53 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, What is the recommended icon size for the Maemo-Icon-26? | 20:55 |
| RST38h | 26x26 ? =) | 20:55 |
| qwerty12 | Doh, thanks, heh | 20:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, it's close enough to the first-draft. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any suggestions and ideas should go to the discussion page. ;) | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: You forgot about the thumb-bar ;) | 21:01 |
| derf | It needs to not lock the apt database the entire time it's open. | 21:02 |
| derf | That is the only thing I care about. | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, thumb bar? | 21:02 |
| X-Fade | It should use the big scrollbar for the listing. Like modest does. | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 21:02 |
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| putterson | is there a way to arbitrarily control the led on an n810? | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | putterson: there is a led api, iirc. | 21:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's even a little python application with sliders somewhere. | 21:04 |
| putterson | exactly what I was hoping! | 21:04 |
| putterson | do you know what it is called because I searched google "led control n810" and came up with nothing | 21:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't remember | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may have been jott | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it's probably somewhere on sse2.net | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I can't confirm that. | 21:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiki's broken. :( | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There it goes. | 21:08 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: 1 minute. Trying to find why it sometimes doesn't give you a page. | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Request could not be forwarded at this time" over http | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Always use https ;) | 21:09 |
| putterson | found it | 21:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, wifi psm on the N800 running the wiki, maybe? :D | 21:11 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the most glaring thing for me is an "updated since [last update|specified date]" option somewhere so i can see the new/improved stuff - even if i havent got it installed | 21:12 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Nah, apache threads segfault sometimes. Running gdb against it. | 21:12 |
| crashmatrix | perhaps a lighttpd/beowulf cluster of n810/n800's | 21:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're getting some pretty decent submissions already: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions | 21:13 |
| X-Fade | crashmatrix: Nah, we already run on N1210 ;) | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though a lot of them fail completely at reading the guidelines. | 21:13 |
| crashmatrix | haha :p | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i really like the one which is a stroke with the m in a circle :) | 21:13 |
| crashmatrix | I like attila's | 21:14 |
| putterson | GeneralAntilles, for future reference the program is at http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py | 21:14 |
| putterson | and it's author is jott | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 21:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles was right. | 21:14 | |
| putterson | thanks, I never would have found it without you | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 21:14 |
| putterson | I wish I could do pwm with it now... | 21:15 |
| lcuk | attila's funky logo reads as DP to my eyes (i fail lots of turing tests). | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should probably tell the people with non-compliant submissions now so they have time to revise them. | 21:17 |
| lcuk | is it apt-get or apt-cache that the list of installables is built up from? | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Some people seem to forget that we need a maemo.org logo ;) | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Maybe add not-compliant page and move them out already? | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Oh oh.. I know. | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | Make a not compliant template. | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | With a red border orso.. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should work | 21:18 |
| crashmatrix | nice... led controle! :D | 21:18 |
| Khertan | does a setup.py create automatically script in bin ? | 21:19 |
| Khertan | as i don t see it in maemo-wordpy ? | 21:19 |
| Khertan | arf no | 21:20 |
| Khertan | maemo wordpy can t be launch from xterm | 21:20 |
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| X-Fade | Somehow that last logo reminds me of something. But I can't remember what ;) | 21:21 |
| crashmatrix | hehe :p | 21:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This guy's really spamming them: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_jobelium_21.png | 21:23 |
| Khertan | pfff it s a real pain to make proper packages for autobuilder :) | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: If you put a package up, I can run Lintian against it if you like? | 21:24 |
| Khertan | yep ... thx ... but it s not ready yet :) | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | GA: There ought to be a subliminal message in this image | 21:27 |
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| pierlux | that's interesting ! http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/06/19/give-a-n800-get-a-n810/ | 21:34 |
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| putterson | how large would a dictionary with definitions be? | 21:43 |
| putterson | I would like a dictionary on my n810 | 21:43 |
| putterson | can you recommend any? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Webster's 1918? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~300MB | 21:44 |
| putterson | oh that's good | 21:44 |
| putterson | I hope it's been updated from 1918 though? | 21:44 |
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| derf | I hope by 300MB you mean 15MB. | 21:45 |
| crashmatrix | compressed it could be | 21:46 |
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| crashmatrix | standard dutch dictionary is about 30 mebibytes when compressed with lzma | 21:47 |
| derf | 12M web1913.dict.dz | 21:48 |
| derf | 3.4M web1913.index | 21:48 |
| crashmatrix | but you mileage may vary | 21:48 |
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| putterson | also is there a python script which will produce tones from a phone number ie. so I can dial without having to type anything? | 21:51 |
| putterson | or any program really | 21:51 |
| putterson | a plugin for osso-abook would be ideal | 21:52 |
| putterson | if that is possible | 21:52 |
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| crashmatrix | how can I get some for of partitioning software on os2008? | 21:57 |
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| crashmatrix | apt-get install util-linux wants to revamp the whole system, I don't feel like taking that risk :) | 21:57 |
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| Khertan | x-fade > i ll try to upload a source package to autobuilder that was made manually | 22:02 |
| Khertan | to see if i well understand | 22:03 |
| Khertan | if i found the url :) | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | huzzah!!! 20:03:50 SQL execute error: table tblsketch already exists | 22:06 |
| * lcuk is happy at that error | 22:06 | |
| Khertan | oups i ve forgotten to make .changes file | 22:07 |
| Khertan | i think it build packages from sources | 22:07 |
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| Khertan | x-fade > we can't just upload source | 22:10 |
| Khertan | ? | 22:10 |
| Khertan | bye | 22:10 |
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| Churl | anyone there? | 22:14 |
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| Z0m81e | Hey all, does anyone know a reliable way to automount a usbdisk on boot with the 770? It doesn't seem like any of the 'usual' ways are immediately available | 22:16 |
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| Churl | tongues tied | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | New to irc, are you, Churl? | 22:20 |
| Churl | yep, what's the story here? | 22:21 |
| Churl | well, it's been 10 years | 22:21 |
| ||cw | Z0m81e: the mmc is done via scripts, not sure on the details | 22:21 |
| Churl | i just did flashed my 800 for the 3rd time in the 3 days ive had it | 22:22 |
| Z0m81e | ||cw cheers i've just found someones script to mount a second mmc, looks trivial to change to to /dev/sda1 | 22:22 |
| Churl | under application manager, the view of the "names" of the apps was so small i could only read a few letters | 22:23 |
| Churl | "version" was huge! | 22:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Churl, don't add every repository you see. :\ | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fixed in Diablo, anyway. | 22:23 |
| Churl | i couldnt slide it or resize it so i had to flash | 22:24 |
| Churl | haha! | 22:24 |
| Churl | thanks | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no need to reflash. <_< | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | All you had to do was delete the unnecessary repositories. | 22:24 |
| Churl | i disabled all the ones i added | 22:24 |
| Churl | should i just keep it to a few? aree there better ones? will it tell me when repos to add when im trying to find a new app? | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really only need two, Extras and Extras-devel | 22:25 |
| Churl | general, you are my new best friend | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | you might add two more: FBReader and nitapps.com | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything else really isn't necessary. | 22:26 |
| Churl | what about the hacks repo? | 22:26 |
| Churl | k, ill do that now | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The repository mess has been an issue for a while, but it's actually getting better as we speak and a lot of devs are moving their stuff into Extras. | 22:27 |
| Churl | oh, know a good set of apps for doing common things? such as watching online vids, irc, vnc | 22:27 |
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| Churl | awesome | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer, xchat, x11vnc/vncviewer | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and maybe Canola if by "online vids" you mean YouTube. | 22:28 |
| Churl | more like twilight zone and colbert report | 22:29 |
| Churl | but yeah,youtube is fine | 22:29 |
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| keesj | X-Fade: I have veen very bussy lately with non direct maemo stuff but I think things are going in the right direction! | 22:29 |
| Churl | now, what exactly is canola? is that a browser? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://openbossa.indt.org/ | 22:30 |
| keesj | X-Fade: did you get some help for the extras's repo? | 22:30 |
| Churl | thanks | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to push x11vnc to Extras. | 22:31 |
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| Churl | i had trouble installing it eirlier | 22:33 |
| Churl | i had server working | 22:33 |
| Churl | ive spent almost 20 hours in the past 3 days trying to fix this thing up | 22:34 |
| Churl | im sorry, in this coffee shop | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix it up? | 22:35 |
| Churl | with a few games and other apps to mess with while away from a connection: future=kismet | 22:37 |
| Churl | can you sudo apt-get with this? it asks me for a password and rootme doesnt work | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install easyroot from nitapps.com | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then type "root" | 22:39 |
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| Churl | just root in the shell or sudo apt-get install ****** and password with root? | 22:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | root; apt-get install _____ | 22:42 |
| Churl | nice | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | which have i got installed then where i can "sudo gainroot" | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, easyroot aliases root to sudo gainroot. | 22:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, you could have either becomeroot or easyroot. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or R&D mode enabled. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | right, well its ok i just think root is too generic im happy telling it i want super powers | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or you could've modified the script in your sleep and forgotten about it. | 22:44 |
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| Churl | i messed with that yesterday | 22:44 |
| lcuk | nahhh, windows flasher remember | 22:44 |
| lcuk | nahhh | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | its not the OS GeneralAntilles, its how you use it | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's still the OS. | 22:45 |
| Churl | that's what she said | 22:45 |
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| Churl | GA, as far as xchat, do i get el? el=english? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the one that's not a localization package. ;) | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e. look at the sizes. | 22:47 |
| Churl | dont follow | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/xchat_2.8.4-chinook0-beta1_armel.deb | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | the language files are tiny, the main program is large | 22:49 |
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| Churl | nice, thanks man | 22:49 |
| * lcuk tries to convey information by waving hands and realises irc doesnt translate very well | 22:49 | |
| flo_lap | re | 22:49 |
| lcuk | hey florian | 22:49 |
| RST38h | \/ /\ \/ /\ | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it doesn't? | 22:50 |
| RST38h | btw, what is in those xchat localization packages? | 22:51 |
| RST38h | just translated ui texts? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | i would think xchat localization files | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, ive never really given it much thought but it makes sense | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | 'cause xchat appears to support non-latin letters just fine without localization files | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | UI texts, probably. | 22:53 |
| lcuk | that would be cool if you installed xchat in english and everyone in every chan spoke english | 22:55 |
| Churl | question: know of a good way to have street maps (of atleast a state) saved and viewable off line? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | my n810 has whole country? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: everybody in eery channel speaks english anyway | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, Maemo Mapper. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | there is a lot of chinese/japanese/etc channels but they exist in a kind of a parallel universe from ours =) | 22:56 |
| Churl | ill bark up that tree then | 22:57 |
| Churl | is that the same thing as map that it comes installed with? | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | yes, the map data came preinstalled on mine, im not sure if its available to you with 800 (to download maps for it i mean) | 22:59 |
| skmurphy | Of course, there's always other map/direction programs, like RoadNav, but it requires a fair bit of storage for your maps. | 23:02 |
| Churl | thanks, i see it now all 733mb for just the east. im moving tomorrow, ill do it from my new home | 23:02 |
| Churl | i didnt ask you skmurphy | 23:02 |
| Churl | but thanks | 23:02 |
| skmurphy | cheerfully withdrawn | 23:02 |
| Churl | sorry, i didnt mean to be rude, it's just that ive been having girl problems | 23:03 |
| Churl | =lady | 23:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't bother with "Map" | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go get Maemo Mapper, you'll like it a lot more. ;) | 23:04 |
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| Churl | awesome, i have that problem all the time: which is the best? most of these apps are new | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | For mapping? It depends. | 23:06 |
| Churl | oh, in general | 23:06 |
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| Churl | but i need the maps to be on here even without a connection | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" or Maemo Mapper will both accomplish that for you. | 23:06 |
| Churl | mapper looks neat | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" does offline routing, but only if you pay $130 or whatever it is now. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper gets routes from the internet, so you'll need to be connected to download a route, but you can pre-download them if you want | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you don't need to be connected for maps. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is free. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | See downloads.maemo.org for applications. | 23:08 |
| Churl | cool, will do, im bookmarking it now | 23:08 |
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| Churl | oh nice, quake | 23:09 |
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| Churl | i messed with doom yesterday, couldnt enjoy playing it | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quake's controls are quite nice. | 23:10 |
| * aquatix installed openarena a few days ago | 23:12 | |
| * aquatix rather likes q3a | 23:12 | |
| Churl | can you suggest a VoIP service? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sipphone.com | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use the built-in SIP client. | 23:17 |
| Churl | cool, ill check it, i was looking at gizmo | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same thing | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sipphone.com == Gizmo | 23:18 |
| Churl | ah | 23:18 |
| Churl | do you use it? | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo is more or less the same as Skype, except they use Jabber/SIP | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you can use your Gizmo account with pretty much any SIP client. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I use Gizmo with rtcomm (the built-in chat framework) | 23:19 |
| Atarii | can you use gizmo with skype? | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Atarii, is Skype a SIP client? | 23:19 |
| Atarii | umm, pass | 23:19 |
| Atarii | yes? | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. ;) | 23:19 |
| Atarii | i lose :( | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, I've got an N800 and a 770 that act as handsets for Gizmo | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus GrandCentral, that means my cellphone, computer, and tablets all ring from one number. | 23:20 |
| Churl | im waiting for a grandcentral account, can you help? | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, invites are closed for the time being. | 23:21 |
| Churl | grr | 23:21 |
| lcuk | lawnmower man | 23:21 |
| Churl | i dont have a cell phone anymore, so im looking for a way people can contact me with the n800 | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | they could hit you on the head with it | 23:22 |
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| Atarii | lol | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, get $10 worth of call-out minutes and a $35/yr call-in number from Gizmo. | 23:23 |
| Atarii | do those wifi sd cards work with the n800? | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | No SDIO support. | 23:24 |
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| Churl | yeah, i was looking at that and hoping there was a way to avoid it | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cheaper than a cell. ;) | 23:25 |
| Churl | very trud | 23:25 |
| Churl | true | 23:25 |
| * lcuk can create records | 23:26 | |
| Churl | the mapper looks like it would be poor for downloading maps, or maybe im doing it wrong but 100gigs..... | 23:26 |
| Atarii | ;p; | 23:27 |
| Atarii | did you select loads of detail levels? | 23:28 |
| * lcuk moves atariis keyboard back and giggles | 23:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Churl, how many levels are you downloading? | 23:28 |
| Churl | map was 700 for the east coast | 23:28 |
| Atarii | lcuk :p | 23:28 |
| Churl | :) down to street level | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Map is vector, Maemo Mapper is raster | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just download the maps for your city. | 23:28 |
| Churl | oh, didnt see that option | 23:28 |
| lcuk | isnt there also a way to download a path along a route? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 23:28 |
| * lcuk rememebers people saying at ltag | 23:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The Maemo Mapper documentation is quite excellent. | 23:29 |
| Atarii | i need to read that also | 23:29 |
| lcuk | its well mapped out and signposted to help you resolve your problem | 23:29 |
| Atarii | boom boom | 23:29 |
| Churl | cool thanks for answering these questions guys! | 23:29 |
| Churl | and ladies ;) | 23:29 |
| lcuk | churl, its helpful to all to see responses | 23:30 |
| Churl | who am i kidding? guys | 23:30 |
| lcuk | actually i believe there once was a girl in here | 23:30 |
| Churl | i know, im sleeping with her | 23:30 |
| lcuk | so's half the chan | 23:31 |
| Churl | oh shit! | 23:31 |
| Churl | it's funny, cause you thought i was joking | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC, where the men are men, the women are men and the little girls are FBI agents. | 23:31 |
| RST38h | check this out: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/themes/n810/rt_dimensions/images/triangle-hilite1.png | 23:31 |
| Churl | i told her to join | 23:31 |
| Churl | very nice lol | 23:31 |
| lcuk | RST38h, wtf? ickle triangle? | 23:32 |
| Churl | blank? | 23:32 |
| RST38h | and this one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/themes/n810/rt_dimensions/images/triangle.png | 23:32 |
| Z0m81e | ok stuck again - anyone have any ideas for how to get a 770 to mount a usbdisk on boot? sticking it in fstab apparantly doesn't work | 23:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: these are images that slow itt page display down to a crawl | 23:32 |
| RST38h | check out their sizes | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy hell, really? | 23:32 |
| RST38h | yep | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's ridiculous. | 23:33 |
| RST38h | GA: could you point this out to Reggie if you see him here? | 23:33 |
| aquatix | 1999px × 1000px :) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | 2.25 kB (2306 bytes) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | imagesize!=filesize | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, he's never in here. | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Data size: 7996000 bytes | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drop him a PM. | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Data size: 8000000 bytes | 23:33 |
| lcuk | but it would make a browser in limited env like nit | 23:33 |
| RST38h | This is their size in firefox cache | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | More mock-ups. https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager | 23:34 |
| lcuk | ive set it as desktop wallpaper :D something that big and hires deserves to be seen :D | 23:34 |
| aquatix | *g* | 23:35 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: i like the column-view | 23:36 |
| RST38h | GA: I suggest you make categories a drop down box like I have done in PackRat | 23:36 |
| RST38h | GA: The reason is that the current list of categories is pretty much useless | 23:36 |
| RST38h | it is also relatively short, so it does not make sense to show the whole list. | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that's hopefully gonna get better over time. | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | GA: It won't judging from how freebsd category lists developed | 23:37 |
| RST38h | A lot of apps really apply under multiple categories, people often misassign categories, etc | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, debtags may be on the list for Fremantle. | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | But if you *really* want to display categories, make 'em iPhonesque icons :) | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | None of the mockups on that page are really original - they are all minor tweaks to existing (underbaked) UI | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, DUH | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not proposing a really major overhaul. | 23:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since that's not something that we're going to get from Nokia in a reasonable timeframe. | 23:40 |
| RST38h | True | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | These are small things that may work within the spec. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're more than free to put together some radical mock-ups for your own proposal. ;) | 23:41 |
| RST38h | I have | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Just look at PackRat (although it is not exactly an App Manager) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyone happen to have a 2.6.21 g_ether.ko that works with RNDIS? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | (for maemo, obviously) | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, RST38h, this is rather short-term stuff that might actually have a chance in hell of happening. | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think Fremantle. | 23:44 |
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| RST38h | Fremantle isn't exactly short term yet ;) | 23:46 |
| RST38h | But I agree, chances of seeing any major changes there are slim | 23:46 |
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| Maximander | so scratchbox2 on my ubuntu updated automatically (via apt). Now it seems to have b0rked my env. What is the correct command to re-init my chinook40_armel env? | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you have GTK skills? | 23:49 |
| Maximander | "sb2-init chinook40_armel /path/to/arm-2005q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc" complains saying: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." | 23:51 |
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| RST38h | GA: Some | 23:53 |
| RST38h | GA: I do not have much experience with GTK but after a while it no longer matters | 23:53 |
| derf | You mean, after a while you have experience. | 23:53 |
| Atarii | i like the tree view | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should find the time to do a prototype of a radical new application manager design. ;) | 23:54 |
| RST38h | GA: I barely find enough time to make money | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:55 |
| RST38h | GA: If Nokia wishes to hire me as a consultant though, I am all for it | 23:55 |
| Maximander | so, anyone know off hand the correct sb2 init command? | 23:56 |
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| RST38h | maemo-rootstrap install chinook40_armel | 23:58 |
| RST38h | ? | 23:58 |
| Z0m81e | is there an easy way to add an item to the launcher menu or some package that lets you add links to your own applications? | 23:58 |
| Maximander | dtaylor@t43:~/workspace/$ maemo-rootstrap list | 23:58 |
| Maximander | chinook401_i386 | 23:58 |
| Maximander | bora31_armel | 23:58 |
| Maximander | chinook40_armel | 23:58 |
| Maximander | mistral20_armel | 23:58 |
| Maximander | scirocco22_armel | 23:58 |
| Maximander | err, sorry about flood, but rootstrap is installed | 23:59 |
| RST38h | why do you need all of them? | 23:59 |
| Churl_ | GA, i really like the app man youve got going on | 23:59 |
| Maximander | well, I have them, but sb2 needs to be reinitalized after upgrade | 23:59 |
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