IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-06-14

AStorm	niced to -5	00:00
ds3	KotCzarny: it should be have better then this... afterall garnet vm is really a vm within a vm and it behaves fine on a real device	00:00
AStorm	is looking better :>	00:00
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AStorm	btw, the movie is too large for omap to cope	00:00
AStorm	624x352	00:00
qwerty12_N800	inz, round 15 y on axis i'd guess	00:00
KotCzarny	astorm: use op patch	00:01
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AStorm	KotCzarny: gimme	00:01
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KotCzarny	http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/patches/op_patch.diff	00:02
AStorm	it locks it at 400/133, right?	00:02
KotCzarny	no	00:02
KotCzarny	it adds sysfs interface	00:02
KotCzarny	to change dsp hi mode	00:02
AStorm	:)	00:02
KotCzarny	other behaviour stays the same	00:03
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AStorm	hi mode is >133 Mhz, right?	00:03
KotCzarny	330/220	00:03
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qwerty12_N800	nice work KotCzarny , I've just got to reverse my changes on that file for permanent 400/133 :/	00:03
KotCzarny	it's not my work	00:03
qwerty12_N800	well, I've never seen the patch for it before	00:04
KotCzarny	i just keep that patch safe on my server	00:04
KotCzarny	:)	00:04
KotCzarny	qwerty: lies, i was advertising it many times	00:04
KotCzarny	:)	00:04
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qwerty12_N800	heh, I know, just never saw the patch in question :), all I found was fanoush's info on maemo-developers to change op mode manually in kernel src	00:05
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qwerty12_N800	out of question then, what does /sys/power/op_active do then?	00:07
AStorm	KotCzarny: I don't like the patch	00:07
KotCzarny	why?	00:08
AStorm	it requires pushing magic numbers into sysfs	00:08
KotCzarny	at least it's passive	00:08
AStorm	like, OP_1	00:08
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AStorm	I'd rather use some boolean	00:08
KotCzarny	ie. doesn't do anything without user's action	00:08
KotCzarny	yes	00:08
* lardman is worried that no-one has replied to the maemo.org community council email		00:08
lardman	no-one else that is	00:08
KotCzarny	in sys you use echo 0 or echo 1	00:08
zerosum	is there an alternative browser for n800 2008os?	00:08
zerosum	i saw a link for mozzila	00:09
zerosum	but it says incompatiable	00:09
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AStorm	yeah, most likely an n810 package	00:09
AStorm	nah, wait	00:10
AStorm	should work	00:10
zerosum	im trying to use the link at browser.garage.maemo.org	00:10
zerosum	It tells me Unable to install microb-browser. Incompatible application package	00:11
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qwerty12_N800	links(2), fennec, midori, old ass opera for os 2008 are the ones I remember f	00:12
AStorm	that one is for 700	00:12
AStorm	I suggest fennec or midori	00:12
AStorm	anyway, maemo-browser is fine with me	00:13
zerosum	htx	00:13
zerosum	thanks	00:13
qwerty12_N800	if you set up debian, johnx put in epihany-webkit	00:13
dieman	heh nice	00:13
dererk	Hi again :)	00:14
dererk	Could anyone use _any_ client to talk with the defaults maemo VoIP softphone?	00:14
AStorm	dererk: well, any SIP client, yes	00:14
dieman	it implements sip	00:14
dieman	jinks!	00:15
dieman	im sort of torn on voip now that I have a uma/gan phone	00:15
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dererk	AStorm, a pay one?	00:15
AStorm	too, why not	00:15
dererk	it's just I can't talk from my maemo to _any_ client :(	00:15
AStorm	probably NAT	00:16
dieman	ie: gizmo project has a sip phone client for lots of platforms, I register my tablet against sipphone.com	00:16
AStorm	I had problems too	00:16
dererk	nor gtalk nor jabber nor skype :/	00:16
dieman	and then you can just tell people to use gizmo at worst.	00:16
AStorm	dererk: well, skype worked here	00:16
AStorm	you have a diff. problem then	00:16
dieman	[i am /not/ using the gizmo client on my tablet though]	00:16
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dererk	I think the problem is that I'm using 2008HE on a n770	00:17
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AStorm	ah, now, that's entirely different matter	00:17
AStorm	blah white screen again	00:17
AStorm	happens at random ;P	00:17
dererk	AStorm, I didn't take that into account, as It seemed to be other problems	00:18
dererk	I mean, all clients say something different	00:18
AStorm	HE is unsupported	00:18
AStorm	so, there will be problems	00:18
dererk	AStorm, for skype?	00:18
AStorm	skype too	00:18
dererk	by which ones then?	00:18
AStorm	you will have problems with all clients ;P	00:18
AStorm	n770 is just unsupported :(	00:19
dererk	by this time, my desesperation would make me use any shitty client round there, just to talk to any client >_<	00:19
* dererk sighs		00:19
AStorm	I suggest an upgrade to n800	00:20
AStorm	it's fairly cheap nowadays	00:20
dererk	AStorm, I live in a country that has a currency 4 times devalutated than a dolar	00:20
dererk	that means Ihave to work 4 times harder to get one	00:21
dererk	currently, that's humanly impossible for me	00:21
dererk	SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM	00:21
dererk	that one,	00:21
lardman	What bit of sw should I use to analyse the time spent in each fn of a C program?	00:21
AStorm	hm	00:21
KotCzarny	compile with -pg ?	00:22
AStorm	lardman: I suggest oprofile	00:22
AStorm	or compile with -pg and use gprof	00:22
lardman	AStorm: ok, those sound familiar, I'll do some googling	00:22
AStorm	there's also sysprof	00:22
LowRadio	is there anyway to compile from source on the n810?	00:23
KotCzarny	yes	00:23
AStorm	as usual	00:23
AStorm	after you install the toolchain (binutils, gcc, autotools)	00:23
LowRadio	ah ok	00:24
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lardman	not sure how valuable profiling arm/x86 sbc code will be in terms of determining what to optimise on the DSP though	00:25
AStorm	it seems this v. of CFS is buggy ;P	00:26
AStorm	need newer one	00:26
AStorm	KotCzarny: what's the name of the sysfs file?	00:27
KotCzarny	hmm, /sys/power/opsomething	00:27
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AStorm	nope	00:27
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KotCzarny	op_dsp or op_active	00:28
KotCzarny	probably op_dsp	00:28
KotCzarny	values possible are 0 and 1	00:29
KotCzarny	0 being 400/133	00:29
KotCzarny	1 being 330/220	00:29
lardman	KotCzarny: doubt it would work with the dspgateway though	00:29
KotCzarny	lardman: ?	00:29
KotCzarny	it's independent of mbox	00:29
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KotCzarny	and yes, it works with dspgateway	00:30
KotCzarny	:)	00:30
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KotCzarny	because it doesn't have anything with it	00:30
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KotCzarny	other than setting cpu/dsp speed :)	00:30
lardman	I can't see op_dsp or oprofile_dsp on google	00:30
KotCzarny	lardman: i was talking to astorm :)	00:30
AStorm	hm... I don't seem to have it	00:30
KotCzarny	it's unrelated :)	00:30
AStorm	and I did patch it in	00:30
lardman	lol, ok, back to sleep for me	00:30
* lardman set dsp as a highlight, so though it was aimed at him :)		00:31
KotCzarny	:)	00:31
KotCzarny	dsp	00:31
lardman	!	00:31
lardman	back to sleep	00:31
AStorm	KotCzarny: so, how do I set it?	00:31
AStorm	how do you set it anyway? ;P	00:31
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KotCzarny	astorm: maybe interface for whole thing is missing in .26 ?	00:32
AStorm	it's in dvfs...	00:32
AStorm	no, I'm at 2.6.21-nokia	00:32
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AStorm	but have dvfs disabled	00:32
AStorm	hmm	00:32
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AStorm	;P	00:32
KotCzarny	:P	00:32
KotCzarny	pebkac as always	00:32
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AStorm	ith dvfs on it doesn't boot	00:34
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AStorm	I'll change that patch to add the sysfs somewhere else than dvfs_init ;P	00:36
KotCzarny	but isn't the whole meaning of dvfs is to set up proper speeds?	00:37
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KotCzarny	ie, you are running full speed without it?	00:37
AStorm	hmmmmm	00:38
AStorm	probably	00:38
AStorm	but why doesn't it work?	00:38
KotCzarny	why doesn't what work	00:38
lardman	wow the N810 is quick, 160672 calls took 0s	00:39
KotCzarny	:)	00:39
KotCzarny	it's 400mhz after all	00:39
lardman	:)	00:39
lardman	I think it neglected to count the time	00:39
AStorm	KotCzarny: isn't it lowest speed? ;P	00:40
KotCzarny	?	00:40
lardman	anyway that's done the job of telling me what to optimise, thanks AStorm	00:40
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AStorm	KotCzarny: what are the bogomips for 330/200?	00:47
AStorm	and for 400/133?	00:47
ds3	KotCzarny: IIRC, that is the job of something called cpuidle	00:47
KotCzarny	ds3: cpuidle is system side, hardware driver has to know how to set them	00:48
AStorm	cpufreq you mean	00:48
ds3	no, cpuidle - it figures out what is the deepest sleep state the proc can be in given a set of constraints	00:49
KotCzarny	...	00:49
KotCzarny	yeah	00:49
KotCzarny	and it can set itself to death	00:49
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ds3	and IIRC, voltage/speed is also tweaked based on the constraints	00:49
KotCzarny	if the kernel doesn't know how to set speed/voltage	00:49
AStorm	funny why DVFS doesn't work	00:50
AStorm	it just crashes the boot	00:50
AStorm	actually, dvfs sets CPU to ondemand	00:52
AStorm	loads the op list	00:52
AStorm	and adds that sysfs	00:52
AStorm	wth dvfs wouldn't work... it's very much needed ;(	00:53
AStorm	otherwise power saving goes byebye	00:53
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KotCzarny	:)	00:54
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AStorm	well, the cause is not DMA drain...	01:00
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KotCzarny	heh.. 2.6fps under wine :/	01:03
AStorm	it dies before fbcon is inited	01:06
AStorm	hmm	01:06
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Mousey	wtf? be cool with drm?? is nokia NUTS?!	01:10
Mousey	</rant>	01:10
KotCzarny	digital restrictions management	01:11
KotCzarny	:)	01:11
Mousey	does nokia's software chief really not get that information scarcity is an anachronism?!	01:11
Mousey	thats wild	01:12
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Mousey	this really isn't the place for this discussion	01:12
Mousey	sorry	01:12
* Mousey shuts up		01:12
KotCzarny	why not?	01:13
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Mousey	i'd imagine it's more fun to talk about maemo and hacking NITs than politics and retarded executives	01:14
summatusmentis	who's being cool w/ drm?	01:15
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summatusmentis	Like, DRM and I hang out on the weekends, but he's always so busy suing people, I just feel like he's beyond me know	01:15
summatusmentis	I wanna know how to be cool with DRM again	01:15
KotCzarny	just swallow it	01:16
KotCzarny	otherwise it would be pushed ther forcibly	01:16
Mousey	http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/13/123206	01:16
Mousey	they'd have to force it on me, and that's the fastest way to lose my contribution	01:17
summatusmentis	peace love and happiness dude, let's all just be cool	01:17
Mousey	not that i'm some huge contributor	01:17
summatusmentis	I, on the other hand, feel the need to contribue my stupid opinions when given any chance	01:18
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AStorm	damn	01:19
AStorm	why doesn't that fscking dvfs work!	01:19
AStorm	it wasn't changed in 2.6.26-omap	01:19
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AStorm	nah, wrong	01:20
AStorm	my bad	01:20
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AStorm	checked wrong branch	01:20
KotCzarny	lol	01:20
AStorm	dvfs is very recent in linux-omap it seems	01:21
* Dekaritae is in love with Opera 9.5's "scroll is pan" feature		01:22
Navi	scroll is pan?	01:22
Navi	You could have set that ages ago.	01:22
Dekaritae	Basically, it's MicroB-style drag scrolling in a desktop browser	01:22
Dekaritae	I wasn't using the betas	01:22
Navi	ah	01:22
Navi	eh	01:23
KotCzarny	oh	01:23
Navi	not fun if you're using a mouse	01:23
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AStorm	it's for those mac os x lovers with one-button mouse	01:26
summatusmentis	noone using mac os x has a one-button mouse anymore	01:27
summatusmentis	unless they're stuck like fifteen years ago	01:27
KotCzarny	'no one'	01:28
summatusmentis	very few people	01:28
AStorm	we have new mac with these horrible old mice	01:28
AStorm	*macs	01:28
AStorm	wtf doesn't DVFS work...	01:31
AStorm	I'll run a clean build	01:31
KotCzarny	:>	01:32
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Navi	Macs come with horrible keyboards and horrible mice	01:33
Navi	use better ones :P	01:33
AStorm	new bt keyboards are quite nice	01:34
AStorm	I'd want a foldable one like that ;P	01:34
summatusmentis	the new keyboards are very nice, I agree	01:34
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lardman	ssvb: evening	01:44
ssvb	lardman: it's more like a late night here :)	01:44
lardman	yeah same here, quarter to midnighyt	01:45
lardman	later for you though I imagine	01:45
AStorm	ok, esd output bites ;P	01:51
\|penguinbait\|	anyone want to help me write, what I would assume to be a very simple C prog? I can't get past "Hello World"	01:51
\|penguinbait\|	I need a C prog that calls a script	01:52
pupnik	system, fork	01:53
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AStorm	or popen	01:54
AStorm	or execve	01:54
\|penguinbait\|	I am not a programmer	01:54
\|penguinbait\|	I am a script jockey :)	01:54
\|penguinbait\|	maemo mapper calls flite, but when I replace flite with a script it wont call it	01:55
\|penguinbait\|	gnuite said it has to be a c prog that gets called	01:55
AStorm	yeah, just use system	01:55
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lcuk	lardman, you still awake	02:08
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Atarii	\|penguinbait\|	02:26
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Atarii	i wanna be on you	02:26
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ssvb	lardman: have you tried to do anything about DSP memory access performance?	02:32
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\|penguinbait\|	excuse me?	02:43
shapr	That's what SHE said!	02:43
\|penguinbait\|	just before the slap no doubt	02:44
shapr	yeah, probably so.	02:44
n800m	that's what SHE said!	02:45
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\|penguinbait\|	AStorm, you still here?	03:19
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dick-richardson	It's in the mail :D	03:44
KotCzarny	whosee mail??	03:46
KotCzarny	:P	03:46
KotCzarny	wwhose	03:46
KotCzarny	whoose	03:46
KotCzarny	hmm, funny	03:46
dick-richardson	better be mine early next week	03:48
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dick-richardson	it'll be interesting with verizon buying alltel (my provider) to see if my $25 unlimited data plan goes up	03:49
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lardman	lcuk: yeah	03:51
lcuk	heh - had enough wine? (i know i have)	03:52
* lcuk raises a glass		03:52
ds3	how are people who don't have a screen protect's N800 faring?	03:53
ds3	protector	03:53
dick-richardson	mine got scuffed up pretty good	03:53
lcuk	my 810 is scratched to buggery and its even got a little horrible crack looking scratch	03:53
ds3	is there something to fix it or at least clean off the finger prints?	03:54
lardman	lcuk: oh yes, Holly's back from a wine tasting session, so am sitting watching music channel and chilling out	03:54
lcuk	but the more i have it in my pocket the more i dont care :)	03:54
\|penguinbait\|	can anyone help with a C question? : system("/usr/bin/flite.sh") : I can call the script fine, but I want to pass the command line arg #2 to the flite script. anyone ?	03:54
lardman	s/am/are	03:54
lardman	\|penguinbait\|: you may be able to add it inside the system() call	03:54
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lardman	simply stick it in the string that contains the binary name	03:55
ds3	system( "foo arg1 arg2 ....." );	03:55
ds3	system doesn't break it out as that gets passed to sh for expansion	03:55
KotCzarny	pb: wait a moment	03:55
lcuk	char buff[255]; sprintf(buff,"/usr/bin/flite.sh %s",argv[2]); system(buff); or a variant thereof	03:55
\|penguinbait\|	can anyone help wlike so? system("/usr/bin/flite.sh arg2")	03:55
ds3	now if you use fork/exec, you will have to do it as separent arguments	03:55
ds3	\|penguinbait\|, yep	03:55
\|penguinbait\|	thanks :)	03:56
ds3	so no recommended screen cleaners?	03:56
\|penguinbait\|	it is literally passing arg2	03:57
lcuk	char buff[255]; snprintf(buff,255,"/usr/bin/flite.sh %s",argv[2]); system(buff); pb, actually this would be better	03:57
KotCzarny	execvp(param_list2[0],param_list2	03:57
KotCzarny	);	03:57
ds3	sorry, misread your question	03:57
ds3	what lcuk said	03:58
lcuk	ds3, a good glasses cleaning cloth , or a duster or something light	03:58
KotCzarny	where param_list2 is an array of command	03:58
KotCzarny	ie command, param1, param2 etc	03:58
ds3	lcuk: any moistening? i.e. isopropyl/distill water/windex/etc?	03:59
ds3	KotCzarny: hope you fork before doing that	03:59
ds3	unless you plan to give up control	03:59
\|penguinbait\|	lcuk ? error: `argv' undeclared (first use this function)	03:59
lcuk	ive never touched mine properly, i treat the screen like my glasses though - ill blow warm air on it and rub	04:00
lcuk	int main(int argc, char *argv[]);	04:00
ds3	\|penguinbait\|, you need to do that in main	04:00
KotCzarny	pb: first time with c? :)	04:00
\|penguinbait\|	thanks	04:00
ds3	with the declarations	04:00
\|penguinbait\|	yes	04:00
lcuk	check argc has enough parameters before calling out though	04:01
lcuk	you do not want to access argv[2] unless it has been allocated by the system for you	04:01
ds3	lcuk, but then you are depriving him of being to ask what is a Segfault ;)	04:01
lcuk	heh	04:01
\|penguinbait\|	lost, head spinning	04:01
\|penguinbait\|	might be the pints	04:02
lcuk	whats this for pb	04:02
\|penguinbait\|	I am trying to get maemo mapper to use festival, with spanish, and female and british voices	04:02
\|penguinbait\|	It wont call my script directly	04:03
lcuk	so you need a wrapper exe to fire offyour script with a known parameter	04:03
\|penguinbait\|	I need a bin called flite to call my script and pass arg2	04:03
ds3	DOH...bad fonts...thought there was a mibviewer_gui thread on ITT but it turned out to be mlbviewer_gui	04:03
ds3	\|penguinbait\|, a shell script might be easier	04:04
\|penguinbait\|	flite is called like this "/usr/bin/flite -t "text to be read" from maemo mapper	04:04
\|penguinbait\|	it cannot be a script	04:04
ds3	something like "#!/bin/sh; exec /usr/bin/flite newarguments $*	04:04
\|penguinbait\|	I have a script now	04:04
ds3	why not?	04:04
lardman	night all	04:04
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\|penguinbait\|	gnuite says it has to be binary	04:05
KotCzarny	pb, you will have probably to quote the param	04:05
\|penguinbait\|	he said he used execl ??	04:05
KotCzarny	because system() calls the bash and execs it as it is	04:05
ds3	exec should work with scripts	04:05
ds3	back to catching up on ITT	04:05
AStorm	ds3: exec doesn't launch a shell by default	04:06
\|penguinbait\|	Kot ?	04:06
KotCzarny	?	04:06
AStorm	you need to use /bin/sh or something	04:06
KotCzarny	no	04:06
KotCzarny	system calls bash anyway	04:07
AStorm	system, yes	04:07
AStorm	exec, no	04:07
KotCzarny	correct	04:07
AStorm	ofc. the script would need +x	04:07
AStorm	and partition w/o noexec	04:07
KotCzarny	unless he will call system("/bin/sh -c his_script \"params\"");	04:08
lcuk	quick gcc question, without a makefile or anything, whats the syntax to do instant single .c to binary?	04:08
AStorm	KotCzarny: that would work anyway	04:09
KotCzarny	gcc pli.c -o pli	04:09
lcuk	ta	04:09
KotCzarny	without -o pli you get a.out	04:09
AStorm	but it's wasteful	04:09
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\|penguinbait\|	thanks guys, its working great	04:09
AStorm	execve("sh","-c","the_script", "params");	04:09
AStorm	use this	04:10
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AStorm	wait, my mistake	04:13
AStorm	not execve, but execle	04:13
lcuk	tapenguin http://pastebin.ca/1047317	04:13
lcuk	damn!	04:13
* lcuk undoes it		04:13
AStorm	ENOENT? ;P	04:14
AStorm	well, then create it	04:14
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AStorm	write the shell script	04:15
AStorm	but I still suggest execle instead of system	04:15
AStorm	less security problems that way (like shell escapes and expansions)	04:15
lcuk	penguin, is the second parameter an mp3 title	04:16
\|penguinbait\|	"text to be read"	04:16
\|penguinbait\|	it is like "head south on I-94"	04:17
\|penguinbait\|	I need the "	04:17
AStorm	\|penguinbait\|: well, execle("sh","-c","/usr/bin/foo.sh",argv[1]);	04:17
lcuk	look at the pastebin i have just posted	04:17
AStorm	or, wait, no	04:17
lcuk	its got code, compiling and examples :)	04:17
\|penguinbait\|	I am trying now	04:17
AStorm	I know now why it isn't working with /usr/bin/flite being a shell script	04:17
AStorm	maemo-mapper uses execve	04:18
AStorm	;P	04:18
AStorm	or execle	04:18
* AStorm goes to sleep... finally		04:19
AStorm	night	04:19
lcuk	night storm	04:19
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ds3	what you don't like my "";rm -rf /&" name? ;)	04:20
lcuk	but you are the mapper calling	04:21
lcuk	if the operator can run arbitary file system commands anyway, why not just run the rm -rf manually without needing to use a none elevated wrapper?	04:22
* lcuk gets back to liqgame.c		04:25
KotCzarny	game?	04:25
KotCzarny	o.O	04:25
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lcuk	o.O indeed. i need to learn about input methods and try a few things	04:32
KotCzarny	:)	04:32
pupnik	i need an 'input method'	04:39
lcuk	beer.open();	04:39
KotCzarny	that's an opener method	04:40
ds3	SIGPIPE	04:40
lcuk	SIGCIG	04:40
KotCzarny	SIGGULP	04:40
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Xamusk	hi, I've got a N800 recently and I'm having problems installing maemo-recorder	05:45
Xamusk	the installer is saying that it was impossible to install	05:45
Xamusk	Is there a workaround to this or another recording app?	05:46
Dekaritae	Check the details in the install screen	05:50
Xamusk	Dekaritae, it doesn't say anything about that	05:50
Dekaritae	It usually lists package conflicts	05:52
Xamusk	it just says that it will take a given amount of memory	05:53
Dekaritae	After that step	05:53
Xamusk	there's only three tabs: a brief, a description and an "installing" tab	05:54
Dekaritae	Under description	05:55
Xamusk	the last one is the one that usually displays dependencies and sutff, but for maemo-recorder it's just saying that it will take 254Kb of memory	05:55
Xamusk	under description there's only: Maemo Recorder - A simple graphical utility for recording audio from microphone.	05:55
Dekaritae	Ok, hmm. When I try to install mogg, it shows a Problems tab with package confllicts	05:56
Xamusk	I guess there's no (known) conflicts	05:57
Dekaritae	What's the status under Summary	05:57
Xamusk	it says that it's installable	05:58
Xamusk	the installer downloads the file but fails in the middle of the installation	05:58
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Dekaritae	Sorry, I don't know	06:08
Dekaritae	Anyone else here using Bell Mobility?	06:08
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Xamusk	dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-recorder_0.2.0_armel.deb (--unpack):	06:23
Xamusk	trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavenc.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-extra	06:23
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Cobi	Is there a linux tool I can use to download maemo-mapper compatible maps on my desktop?	06:51
Cobi	(To transfer to my N810)	06:51
Dekaritae	Qemu?	06:52
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Toba	I know this is a stupid question	07:13
* Mousey hides		07:13
Toba	but is there any way to get the terminal that comes with the n810 (osso_xterm) to do default white on black text?	07:13
Toba	I can only seem to change the background not the foreground	07:13
Mousey	ph	07:14
Mousey	oh	07:14
Toba	i feel stupid	07:14
Mousey	yup	07:14
Mousey	mine is set that way by default,	07:14
Mousey	hmm,	07:14
Mousey	click on the name of the font	07:15
Mousey	it is a dialog box in disguise as a clever button	07:15
Toba	sweet	07:16
Toba	thanks dude.	07:16
Mousey	np	07:16
Toba	this gronmayer site is great.	07:16
Mousey	oh? is that the one with all the repos?	07:17
Toba	yea	07:17
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Mousey	yah. i added ALL of them, but then, i'm insane	07:17
Toba	it wouldn't work with all of them	07:17
Toba	gave me crap about updating	07:18
Toba	and it was too stupid to tell me WHICH one broke	07:18
Toba	so I had to go around and randomly kill some	07:18
Toba	argh, it seems like pynotify isn't available	07:18
Mousey	i did say i was insane	07:19
GeneralAntilles	You need about 2	07:22
GeneralAntilles	Extras and Extras-devel	07:23
GeneralAntilles	maybe FBReader	07:23
Mousey	ha! dullard!	07:23
Mousey	^_^	07:23
Mousey	and whatever one "personal menu" is in	07:24
Mousey	cuz damn, contacts is a useless button	07:24
GeneralAntilles	Extras	07:25
GeneralAntilles	Or should be	07:25
GeneralAntilles	It's either not in a repo or in Extras.	07:25
Mousey	it's totally in a repo. take it from me, a seasoned repo whore	07:25
Mousey	^___^	07:26
GeneralAntilles	Then it's in Extras.	07:26
* Toba adds extras-devel and fbreader		07:26
GeneralAntilles	Toba, you may want to browse through the list and see if there's anything else that interests you, but, generally speaking, stuff not in Extras really shouldn't be worth your time.	07:27
GeneralAntilles	The other exception might be nitapps.com	07:27
Toba	jalimo had a JVM	07:27
GeneralAntilles	somebody really needs to get him to upload his stuff to Extras(-devel)	07:27
Toba	but I would like a JVM with most of the standard java libraries	07:27
Mousey	i wish it was a JVM	07:27
Mousey	want a jvm? install palmos (aka garnetvm)	07:28
Mousey	it's actually not inna repo	07:28
Mousey	there, my secret is out	07:28
Toba	uh, where is it	07:28
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/	07:29
Toba	niiiiiice	07:30
Mousey	yah, but it's a lot like chopping down a redwood to make a toothpick	07:30
Toba	I guess it is	07:30
Toba	I don't need all this palm stuff	07:30
Toba	I don't even really need this	07:30
Toba	I can just ssh out and run this app somewhere else	07:30
Toba	or maybe I could install vmware on my n810 and run gentoo inside	07:30
Mousey	rite.. but, no maemo jvm	07:30
Toba	<_< >_>	07:30
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GeneralAntilles	vmware doesn't work on ARM. :\	07:31
GeneralAntilles	It's not an emulator	07:31
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Toba	I know	07:32
Toba	maybe qemu...	07:32
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	07:33
GeneralAntilles	DOSBox does x86 at about 16MHz on a good day.	07:33
Mousey	there's probably an ARM branch distro of gentoo that would work. but it sonds like more work than would be worth it	07:33
Mousey	debian is probably more practical	07:33
GeneralAntilles	^	07:33
Toba	yeah, probably	07:33
GeneralAntilles	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053	07:33
Toba	I wish the n810 had virtual desktops like most linux does	07:34
Toba	but I guess I don't run that much on it	07:34
Toba	so it's silly	07:34
Toba	are there any good directconnect clients for maemo?	07:34
Toba	or is usb much smarter for this	07:35
GeneralAntilles	sftp?	07:36
Toba	hm that would work	07:37
Mousey	smb	07:37
Mousey	nfs	07:37
Mousey	rsync	07:37
Toba	sshfs works but it's not that good gui wise	07:37
Mousey	grsync!	07:37
Toba	:o	07:37
shapr	16gb sdhc card!	07:37
Mousey	not for mini/micro tho is it?	07:38
Toba	I thought there was a lower limit on the n810 sd card wise	07:38
Toba	or some stupid thing	07:38
shapr	Nah, I've only been able to find fullsize sd cards.	07:38
shapr	A lower limit?	07:38
shapr	Fullsize SD cards fit into my N800.	07:38
shapr	And I have two 16gb cards! That's a lot of space.	07:39
Toba	I mean	07:39
Toba	that n810 can't take as big a card as n800 can	07:39
Mousey	shapr, 8 have one in an eee900	07:39
shapr	Also, the N810 doesn't have an internal SDHC slot, right?	07:40
Mousey	i am envious of that n800 tho. that's a lot of space	07:40
shapr	Toshiba produces 32GB cards, but I haven't been able to find them for sale anywhere.	07:41
shapr	I'm especially happy that I found class 6 16gb sdhc cards.	07:41
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Toba	why would the n810 have reduced storage capacity?	07:46
Toba	I don't get why they would do that to us	07:46
Toba	yeah the limit is 8gb on the n810 :(	07:47
shapr	What limit?	07:48
GeneralAntilles	Toba, the size limit in the N810 is 2048GB	07:49
GeneralAntilles	They reduced the size of the SD card because they ran out of room.	07:49
Toba	it says in the manual that the 'limit' is 8GB.	07:50
KotCzarny	yeah	07:50
GeneralAntilles	Toba, that's just what they tested it with	07:51
Toba	oh	07:51
shapr	My 16gb cards work fine in my N800.	07:51
GeneralAntilles	The hardware limit is 2048GB	07:51
KotCzarny	and you are not grown enough to not to trust every written sentence?	07:51
shapr	And they work in my OLPC XOs as well.	07:51
Toba	KotCzarny: what I am seeing in this channel is also written sentences.	07:51
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KotCzarny	yup	07:51
KotCzarny	so choose your wisdom source	07:51
KotCzarny	manual written few years ago	07:51
shapr	Toba: Or even easier, get a 16gb card and try it out.	07:52
KotCzarny	or current PRACTICAL knowledge	07:52
Toba	shapr: yeah, I guess if all else fails I can just put it in my camera.	07:52
GeneralAntilles	Micro/MiniSD cards don't exist in any sort of volume yet.	07:52
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KotCzarny	hmm	08:00
KotCzarny	nwn1 almost playable on my ati 7000 :>	08:00
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jitu3485	Hi, how can we install xulrunner in maemo chinook?	08:29
jitu3485	apt-get install xulrunner is not working	08:29
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mib_1ksrts	~easyroot	08:56
infobot	somebody said easyroot was an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com	08:56
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opendeep	#openmoko	09:14
Italodance	um	09:17
Italodance	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191954#post191954	09:17
Italodance	what u think?	09:17
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lopz	night	09:33
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Addison	Qwerty!!!! What's up G money dog nuts? :)	09:56
qwerty12	Lol, hi, lets chat on the PM :)	09:58
qwerty12	(IRC PM that is)	09:58
Addison	Okay. I'm using http://java.freenode.net/ for the first time. How can I do that?	09:59
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qwerty12	No idea, have any tabs with my name come up? :/	10:00
Addison	http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3379/61278126cn6.png	10:02
qwerty12	Dodgy, does anything come up when you double click my name?	10:03
Addison	I get poop squat... :(	10:03
Addison	Just your real name I think.	10:03
GeneralAntilles	/msg qwerty12	10:03
GeneralAntilles	Get a real client, though.	10:04
Addison	If I right click on your name I can kick, ban, or even better yet, kick and ban you all at once. Should I try that? :)	10:04
GeneralAntilles	You don't have operator status.	10:04
GeneralAntilles	/msg qwerty12	10:05
Addison	Well I should.	10:05
qwerty12	Thanks, GeneralAntilles. Addison: type what GeneralAntilles said.	10:05
Addison	Yeah, I tried that but I got "msg : insufficient parameters"	10:05
qwerty12	http://www.silverex.org/ ?	10:05
GeneralAntilles	/msg qwerty12 Hi loser	10:06
Addison	/msg qwerty12 Hi loser	10:06
Addison	Yikes.	10:06
GeneralAntilles	Without a leading space.	10:06
qwerty12	No wait, you have to be registered on freenode iirc to send pm's	10:06
GeneralAntilles	/msg nickserv register	10:07
GeneralAntilles	Already registered	10:07
GeneralAntilles	pick another nick	10:07
GeneralAntilles	/nick <newnick>	10:07
Addison	I typed this "/msg nickserv register poopers zippy_the_wonderslug@hotmail.com"	10:07
qwerty12	Now we know your password :/	10:08
qwerty12	:P	10:08
Addison	And got this "Addison is already registered." .... but I think that's me.	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Did you log on 15 hours ago?	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Are you a drupal.org user?	10:08
Addison	No.	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Then it's not you.	10:08
GeneralAntilles	Pick a new nick.	10:08
qwerty12	Just get a real client, I don't this java stuff is working	10:08
Addison	Okay. Let me download Mirc. My internet connection runs on Dixie cups and string wire. Should only take me about a day.	10:09
qwerty12	http://www.mibbit.com/ may work better	10:10
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Addison	Oh dear lord. I'm trying to use Mirc but I'm getting all this weirdness....	10:20
Addison	Connect retry #7 chat.freenode.net (6668) (dns pool)	10:20
Addison	This one is my favorite though....	10:20
Addison	Unable to connect to server (Connection refused)	10:20
beford	6668?	10:21
Addison	It's a random server I guess.	10:21
beford	oh, this server uses some non-standard ports	10:21
Addison	That's all I had to choose from.	10:21
beford	yea, I just noticed I am currently connected to chat.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 8001	10:22
Addison	Hey qwerty, what's the need for a private chat anyway? I'm not looking for any type of tawdry smut action online sex with you. :)	10:23
qwerty12	Haha, it's just easier for me to explain stuff like that :)	10:23
Addison	Well, this is where I am right now....	10:24
Addison	Connect retry #22 chat.freenode.net (6668)	10:24
Addison	It's not looking too promising.	10:24
qwerty12	Fair enough, what do you want to ask anyway?	10:25
Addison	Just wanted to chat you up for while I'm still conscious. I was hoping that you could trick out my tablet like yours.	10:25
GeneralAntilles	You don't want to do that.	10:25
qwerty12	^	10:25
qwerty12	Haha, my tablets plain anyway atm	10:26
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GeneralAntilles	A. It's pointless B. It'll just run down your battery C. and make it unstable and D. It's pointless.	10:26
Addison	Hold on. I think I might actually be in good standing with Mirc.	10:26
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Zippy	Joy!	10:27
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qwerty12	Anyone know where I can get an amixer binary from? debian packages is down for me otherwise, I'd have jacked it from there	10:29
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johnx	qwerty12, it's up here	10:38
johnx	just slow	10:39
qwerty12	It keeps timing out for me :/	10:39
qwerty12	I'll just go on the main alsa website and compile alsa-tools, alsa-utils .14 -it must be in one of them somewhere	10:40
johnx	heh...just remembered I'm on a Debian system. I'll just tell you what package amixer is in. :P	10:40
qwerty12	Thanks for reminding me :) :P	10:41
qwerty12	alsa-utils	10:41
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qwerty12	Okie, N800 uses PCM instead of Master right?	10:57
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qwerty12	Is there a sort of grep command that will go into every file in a directory and replace bash with sh?	11:37
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beford	sed ?	11:41
qwerty12	I dunno, as long as it works in all honesty :/. I'll man sed.	11:41
beford	probably find + sed will work	11:44
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user__	Hi !	11:45
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Deka	Anyone using 10.5?	11:46
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qwerty12	er, 10.5 of what?	11:46
Khertan	10.5 ? Leopard ?	11:46
Khertan	no sorry ... too restricted os	11:47
* GeneralAntilles pokes johnx with a sharpened stick.		11:48
X-Fade	Morning.	11:48
qwerty12	Morning	11:49
X-Fade	Nice post from Ted Tso btw: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/06/13/learning-how-to-communicate/	11:49
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Deka	Ah, a friend of mine upgraded to Leopard and now her iBook is too slow to use	11:50
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beford	qwerty12, http://atonal.ucdavis.edu/resources/general_howto/replace_strings_howto.htm	11:53
beford	perl ftw	11:53
qwerty12	beford, thanks!	11:54
GeneralAntilles	Deka, spotlight indexing?	11:55
Deka	Yeah, that could be it	11:56
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, who do I need to talk to to get a voting script set up?	11:56
Deka	It's just, it takes about ten minutes to cold boot	11:56
GeneralAntilles	How much space is left on the drive?	11:56
GeneralAntilles	Was it a clean upgrade?	11:56
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Is there a wiki plugin for it?	11:56
Deka	Oh, it was a full format	11:56
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, good question, but I highly doubt it.	11:57
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: It really depends on where we want to run it.	11:57
GeneralAntilles	Wikipedia doesn't really do voting.	11:57
GeneralAntilles	Well, I need it for two things, the logo contest and the community council elections.	11:57
GeneralAntilles	Both should be using the garage accounts.	11:57
Deka	Ok, this is effing cool	11:58
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Dekaritae	According to Dmitrygr, the MMC specification allows for daisy chaining. You can wire up to eight MMC cards to one slot and access them serially	11:59
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: There is a midgard poll module available, this might be setup + some filtering.	11:59
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council#Council_voting_karma_requirements and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:maemo.org_logo_contest#False_Voting_Prevention	12:00
GeneralAntilles	Basically, the accounts need to be a certain age OR have about a certain amount of karma.	12:00
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I track Recent Changes ;)	12:00
GeneralAntilles	I figured as much, but just in case.	12:01
X-Fade	That query won't be a big problem.	12:01
X-Fade	We should know account creation date and we know karma.	12:01
X-Fade	Speaking of karma, did you see a change in yours?	12:02
GeneralAntilles	lol	12:02
GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil.html	12:02
GeneralAntilles	SIGN OF THE BEAST!	12:02
GeneralAntilles	Yes, mine changed.	12:03
X-Fade	Heh.	12:03
X-Fade	The problem was that the script ran too long with all the users that it timed out somewhere ;)	12:03
GeneralAntilles	Oops	12:03
X-Fade	I'd suggest you mail a request for the poll and requirements to the maemo2midgard mailinglist. There we have all the tech people on one list, so we can discuss if it is doable.	12:05
GeneralAntilles	Right-o	12:06
X-Fade	During next week, we will create a maemo-community list.	12:06
AStorm	well, default CFS as of that version is too... granular for maemo ;P	12:06
AStorm	and that version has bugs	12:07
AStorm	need a backport of the new CFS patches	12:07
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X-Fade	Khertan: ping?	12:16
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, OK, sent.	12:20
GeneralAntilles	Any progress on the login page?	12:20
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X-Fade	Not yet, there were some other serious issues to attend to first. But I will ping Ferenc again.	12:21
GeneralAntilles	Alright, cool.	12:22
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Radic	is the usbstorage and usbfs support already in the kernel of os2008 included?	12:39
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Italodance	roadmap is wayfinder?	13:02
Italodance	yes?	13:02
qwerty12	No	13:02
Italodance	ph	13:02
Italodance	,,,	13:02
Italodance	qwerty12	13:03
Italodance	.......	13:03
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beford	does fmradio work on n810?	13:26
qwerty12	No, doesn't have a tuner	13:27
X-Fade	Without a radio inside?	13:27
beford	I see, thanks	13:28
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b0unc3	guys, is there any way to get the current cpu speed in MHz ?	14:38
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macoute	b0unc3: havent checked, but id say cat /proc/cpuinfo	14:44
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macoute	i disabled lifeguard, now if i flash it again with the modified bootmenu-flash, does my lifeguard get enabled again?	14:46
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: yo	14:52
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: lol	14:52
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rm_you	lcuk: ? >_>	15:09
rm_you	lcuk: release your stuff yet? :P	15:09
lcuk	well people have found an early playtest binary so merrr i mustv	15:10
rm_you	<_<	15:10
rm_you	a decently NEW version? >_>	15:10
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lcuk	april17th, so nahhh	15:11
rm_you	>_<	15:12
rm_you	whatev. i'm gonna go nap	15:12
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: I'll hit you up later	15:12
lcuk	burry muff, cya later	15:12
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Dekaritae	http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2532880923/	15:13
Dekaritae	Want	15:13
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eichi	if i use the whole planet.osm file für navit, the table will slow down very much, doenst it?	15:30
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eichi	is there no wget on maemo per default?	15:40
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lcuk	KotCzarny, ping	16:26
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unixSnob	does the web brower work for URLs that start with "wyciwyg://" ?	16:34
unixSnob	and btw, what's the idea behind that protocol?	16:35
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darkblue_B	Hello - Day 3 with the N800	17:24
darkblue_B	my two friends, both "power users" with mainly macs, each failed to get the OS Flashing to go	17:25
darkblue_B	I got mine right away, mainly due to a little prompting from this channel, and the fact that I have an Ubuntu box, and I know enough to use it for a few things.. (I am a coder, but far from Linux power user)	17:26
darkblue_B	at any rate.. the N800 is happily playing Internet radio into my stereo to my left as I type ths.. thanks to the channel.. I have ssh and vnc to it, too	17:27
darkblue_B	Q. AIM .. the chat client didnt seem to have an AIM account option. Is that true? Is there an Adium for maemo ??	17:28
Veggen	hmm. darkblue: There's two options - one, installing pidgin - that's not so "integrated" solution but works for many.	17:29
GAN800	pidgin sucks. Get the Collabora telepathy plugin for it	17:29
GAN800	The repo is listed on gronmayer	17:30
darkblue_B	I am still lost with this repo situation..	17:30
Veggen	GAN800: Hmm...is that different than rtcomm beta?	17:30
GAN800	Alternatively, just set up am AIM transport with a google talk account and use that.	17:30
GAN800	Veggen, yes.	17:30
darkblue_B	oh	17:30
darkblue_B	pidgen sucks.. thats a clue! I wish to avoid sucky packages!!	17:31
darkblue_B	so.. AIM transport with Google Talk eh?	17:31
GAN800	darkblue_B, there are really only two you need, and that's Extras (included by default) and maybe Extras-devel.	17:31
Veggen	GAN800: Things are getting better in that regard, yes? developers are using the extras repository more?	17:32
darkblue_B	btw- I just broughtup the VNC connection while typing this	17:34
darkblue_B	odd how I cant seem to click on the "4 tiles" icon, or bring up the keyboard interface, with a VNC originated click	17:35
darkblue_B	other than that everything works	17:35
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GAN800	You may or may not find interest in a couple of other repos. I would probably recommend the FBReader, repo, Collabora and nitapps.com	17:36
darkblue_B	how do I add these to the App Mgr (or whatnot) ?	17:36
darkblue_B	or find the right address! :-)	17:36
darkblue_B	maemo.org/community/application Catalog/ Extras...	17:38
darkblue_B	looking	17:38
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darkblue_B	oh wait.. this is instrutions for a pkg builder	17:39
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darkblue_B	os2008 .. I believe... is chinook.. what I have	17:40
darkblue_B	lot of refs to bora	17:41
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Veggen	http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ is a decent list of repositories. and one-click-install-files for them all.	17:43
unixSnob	darkblue_B: the file you're going to be messing with is /etc/apt/sources.list I believe	17:44
darkblue_B	Veggen: thx looking	17:44
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darkblue_B	unixSnob: ok I can look at that	17:45
unixSnob	(that's if you add to the apt-get repository).. the app manager gets more repositories using the gui	17:45
Veggen	unixSnob: it's the same repository.	17:45
unixSnob	Veggen: nice.. I was wondering that	17:46
Veggen	app manager is just a gui for apt.	17:46
darkblue_B	I like GUIs generally	17:46
darkblue_B	(I build them ;-)	17:46
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rafael	hi, anybody can help me?	17:49
Veggen	rafael: No. Because we don't know what you need help with, yet :)	17:49
darkblue_B	file /etc/apt/sources.list is empty right now....	17:49
darkblue_B	hi rafael	17:50
rafael	i'm try the pluthon	17:51
rafael	I don't know, you can help me with Pluthon on Maemo?	17:52
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darkblue_B	repository Maemo chinook.. thats me with os2008, y?	17:52
Veggen	rafael: Not tried it myself (but hang around, someone might have, but not everyone here is active all the time)	17:52
rafael	uhm..	17:53
rafael	:(	17:53
rafael	ok	17:53
Veggen	darkblue: yes, OS2008 is chinook.	17:53
darkblue_B	thx	17:53
darkblue_B	I dont see extras-dev yet	17:54
rafael	i'm using Eclipse on Ubuntu with Pydev and Pluthon, and Pluthon on My Os2008 on N800	17:54
darkblue_B	hmm neat	17:54
Veggen	well, gotta go.	17:55
darkblue_B	bye Veggen!	17:55
darkblue_B	thx	17:55
rafael	on Eclipse, when I try connect on N800, the pluthon need 2 passwords, to Ssh...	17:56
rafael	ok, i entry with this and the console of eclipse, show "exit 0" :S	17:57
rafael	i don't undestand...	17:57
rafael	how is it? :S	17:58
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darkblue_B	you can connect w/ regular ssh yes?	18:00
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darkblue_B	oops bye :p	18:00
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darkblue_B	ok, thanks to that great link, I now have a few more repositories enabled	18:05
darkblue_B	file /etc/apt/sources.list is still empty though	18:06
darkblue_B	so its not exactly the source for the new listings for apt	18:06
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qwerty12	check the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/	18:07
darkblue_B	yep.. thats the one	18:08
darkblue_B	hildon application manager.list	18:09
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darkblue_B	it would be great to set up the AIM transport for Google Talk	18:11
darkblue_B	with the built in Chat app I suppose ..	18:11
darkblue_B	I wonder how I go about that... hmmm.	18:11
fnordianslip	has anyone looked at PyGUI on maemo before? it seems to work quite well.	18:12
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darkblue_B	re Google Talk and AIM.. the help page at Google talks about Pidgen.. but i havent found anyhting else yet	18:14
darkblue_B	hmm instrutions are promising..	18:15
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darkblue_B	nope... advanced settings on chat account dont line up with the AIM bridge instructions	18:20
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AStorm	ok, now building a kernel with CFS patched up to 2.6.25	18:39
AStorm	nah, build errors, so I messed up ;P	18:44
AStorm	fixing	18:44
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AStorm	NOOOOO...	18:46
AStorm	I messed up, badly	18:46
AStorm	so that hour of work went... away	18:46
AStorm	next time, remind me to use STGit	18:47
Proteous	doh	18:47
AStorm	did a checkout in a wrong dir	18:47
AStorm	and git is too helpful ;P	18:47
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AStorm	at least I now know where to avoid mistakes	18:49
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dick-richardson	The tech pundits are increasingly leaving me wanting	19:11
dick-richardson	advocating open-source w/o actually using it	19:13
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Gnuton	hi there	19:16
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lcuk2	dick which pundits	19:20
lcuk2	hi gnuton	19:20
Gnuton	hey lcuk2	19:20
Gnuton	:)	19:20
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dick-richardson	lcuk2: laporte and crew. was listening to this week in tech and they were rather disparaging toward web tablets while hoping that apple was going to release one	19:23
dick-richardson	the device they were hoping apple would release was almost identical to the n810	19:24
dieman	yeah	19:26
dieman	they really just want a iphone as eee or something	19:26
dieman	anyhow, i'd still prefer maemo	19:27
dick-richardson	or the n810 with an apple logo...betraying a lack of understanding of the open source community	19:27
tank-man	i have an apple sticker that came with an ipod	19:32
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tank-man	i find apple fan boys usually use the term "snappy" to describe their experience	19:33
dick-richardson	my wife own an ipod touch	19:34
AStorm	tank-man: they should use the term "snazzy" instead ;P	19:34
tank-man	doesnt have the same ring to it	19:35
Deka	zazz	19:35
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dick-richardson	They do a decent job with ui, but I need functionality	19:36
AStorm	yeah	19:36
lcuk	i find the apple ui fluid and nice, but could never see myself sketching and doodling with my finger	19:37
AStorm	even Maemo could use a bit more functionality	19:37
dick-richardson	yep	19:37
AStorm	like, gestures, so that I don't have to tap menus or buttons as often	19:37
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lcuk	the apple front end is just a few transitions and wipes, we could easily redesign the hildon menu to do similar (if we could get some nice fast graphics)	19:38
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dick-richardson	we have the chip	19:39
lcuk	but no drivers	19:39
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dick-richardson	yeah :(	19:39
AStorm	anyway, disregarding flash and "snappiness"	19:39
AStorm	we could still add usability	19:39
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qwerty12	A window manager that understands multiple windows and window resizing would be nice (and yes, I know KDE and ICEWM etc exist but I would like it in matchbox by default)	19:42
AStorm	well	19:42
AStorm	ion3?	19:42
dick-richardson	the potential is there	19:42
AStorm	nah, not shiny enough	19:42
AStorm	although it is fast and hackable too	19:43
RST38bis	what is the current subject, sorry?	19:43
AStorm	RST38bis: maemo vs usability	19:43
GAN800	What the FUCK is Darius smoking.	19:43
RST38bis	ah	19:43
GAN800	I love how he's COMPLETELY managed to destroy any useful discussion that thread might havd contained.	19:44
qwerty12	GAN800, Dunno but sounds good, I'll ask him for some.	19:44
dick-richardson	which thread?	19:44
qwerty12	maemo-developers	19:44
GAN800	It's unreal	19:44
dick-richardson	I don't go there, not nearly smart enough	19:44
GAN800	dick-richardson, developers is full of retards.	19:45
GAN800	Like Darius	19:45
RST38bis	isn't maemo sufficiently usable though?	19:46
RST38bis	for tablet operation, i mean	19:46
GAN800	http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37526	19:47
AStorm	RST38bis: it can be more usable with little tweaking	19:47
AStorm	one horrible thing is matchbox handling of transients	19:47
AStorm	another fine addition would be "mouse" gestures	19:47
qwerty12	One of my biggest annoyances with hildon desktop is the status bar icons limit. I know it can be modified but I don't know any programming languages to attempt that with (I saw the source file responible for the status bar and I was like wtf)	19:48
RST38bis	yep	19:48
AStorm	hm, status bar icons will always be limited one way or another	19:48
RST38bis	but on resizing etc we already have a sample of that	19:48
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AStorm	I'd actually love to lose the "task switcher" on the bottom left	19:49
AStorm	and place there some more tray	19:49
RST38bis	take openttd , it makes full use of multiple windowss just like desktop version	19:49
AStorm	or at least quick launchers	19:49
RST38bis	and openttd ui totally sucks	19:49
AStorm	well, yeah, sometimes multiple windows are handy	19:49
AStorm	although usually, I'd prefer what Ion3 does	19:50
qwerty12	Well, for hildon-desktop/matchbox-window-manager, we can actually do something, the question is, who's putting their hands up? ;P	19:50
AStorm	that scratchpad and workspace splitting	19:50
AStorm	it's hard to implement these in matchbox	19:50
AStorm	while it may also be hard to make ion3 not suck in other regards ;P	19:51
AStorm	who needs anti-aliasing on 225dpi screen anyway? ;P	19:51
KotCzarny	me	19:52
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AStorm	what for?	19:52
KotCzarny	jagged lines are still noticeable	19:52
AStorm	blame freetype	19:52
qwerty12	I'll say me because I want MOAR features	19:52
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AStorm	yeah, then code Xft patch	19:52
lopz	hola	19:52
AStorm	and kick tuomov in the arse with a nice new fork	19:52
KotCzarny	darn, my6 head hurts	19:52
KotCzarny	i hate heat waves	19:53
AStorm	KotCzarny: just don't die	19:53
KotCzarny	bah	19:53
KotCzarny	at least i got nwn working	19:53
KotCzarny	:)	19:53
KotCzarny	switching to 24bpp was a fix	19:53
RST38bis	darius is real cool	19:54
AStorm	while they're at it	19:54
AStorm	hildon-im could send real X events	19:54
KotCzarny	and i'm getting crazy 10fps with ati 7000	19:54
KotCzarny	:>	19:54
KotCzarny	hildon is an abomination	19:54
qwerty12	KotCzarny, party!	19:54
qwerty12	~lart rapidshare with their fucking cats	19:55
* infobot pours hot grits down the front of rapidshare with their fucking cats's pants		19:55
AStorm	KotCzarny: yeah, xvkb works better	19:56
KotCzarny	or does it?	19:56
AStorm	we just need a haxed variant that shows up correctly	19:56
KotCzarny	was it fixed?	19:56
KotCzarny	it's key faking method is broken	19:56
KotCzarny	to a point it breaks kb input state	19:56
KotCzarny	which is only cured with x restart	19:57
KotCzarny	so please, use xvkbd :)	19:57
AStorm	hm?	19:57
KotCzarny	yup	19:57
AStorm	xvkbd works here on my X	19:57
AStorm	I mean, on a stationary machine	19:57
KotCzarny	yes, and xkbd is another app	19:57
AStorm	I mean, the virtual keyboard.	19:58
KotCzarny	there are two apps: xkbd and xvkbd	19:58
KotCzarny	btw. you may want my hacked version	19:58
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KotCzarny	with window hiding and right mouse button key	19:58
RST38bis	(sadistically) it is +16..+22 oC here today	19:59
AStorm	:>	19:59
AStorm	KotCzarny: hmm :-)	19:59
AStorm	I want hildon-im to die	19:59
KotCzarny	32.3C	19:59
KotCzarny	in the shade	19:59
AStorm	maybe except the epitext	19:59
lcuk	im sure hildon is very happy for all the love we give him	19:59
AStorm	or what it's called	19:59
AStorm	that thing actually sometimes work	20:00
KotCzarny	hi lcuk	20:00
lcuk	morning :)	20:00
GAN800	lardman, Darius has really hit it out of the ball park, hasn't he?	20:00
* lcuk introduces KotCzarny to coco pops		20:00
KotCzarny	erm..	20:01
lcuk	its out of the continent	20:01
KotCzarny	i feel like i had been drinking heavily yesterday	20:01
AStorm	well, we could use a rewrite of handwrite recognition proggy	20:01
KotCzarny	i get hangovers without drinking	20:01
AStorm	I'm leaving that for my master's thesis ;P	20:01
lcuk	entered orbit around uranus and is now degrading peacefully	20:01
AStorm	so please don't steal	20:01
KotCzarny	and don't get hangovers with drinking	20:01
KotCzarny	lcuk: roasted cereal?	20:01
lcuk	chocolate covered goodness	20:02
* qwerty12 had cocopops for breakfast this morning, I ADMIT IT!		20:02
AStorm	chocolate covered fatness?	20:03
AStorm	it is the stuff used to fatten pigs	20:03
RST38bis	gan: the key is to avoid concentrating on his antics	20:04
AStorm	RST38bis: you mean, like, not reading what he writes?	20:04
KotCzarny	i could use some fattening	20:04
lcuk	mmmm bacon from chocolate fed pigs with melted chocolate goodness drizzled ontop	20:04
* lcuk can feel his arteries hardening at the thought		20:04
AStorm	lcuk: you're jewish or what?	20:04
GAN800	RST38bis, the problem is, he's completely destroyed any usefulness that thread could have had. It's a rather important one, too.	20:05
lcuk	whats my religion (or lack thereof) got to do with my diet?	20:05
qwerty12	GAN800, Tell him to fuck off and just blank him	20:05
KotCzarny	religions sometimes have a word on diet too	20:05
AStorm	ah no	20:06
qwerty12	True, like I don't eat stuff from a pig	20:06
AStorm	bacon is not kosher	20:06
RST38bis	gan: darius is an adolescceent self-important clown and should be treated as such	20:06
RST38bis	gan: try applying to him the approach practiced russian lj	20:07
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RST38bis	gan: whatever "clever" thing he says. answer "where are you from, kitten? do you suck?"	20:08
KotCzarny	russian lj sounds like a tough place	20:08
qwerty12	RST38bis, is Suka bitch in Russian?	20:09
KotCzarny	it's in polish too	20:09
KotCzarny	:)	20:09
AStorm	;P	20:10
AStorm	yes, it is, maybe	20:10
qwerty12	Heh, I've got Russian friend who keeps calling it me >.< :P	20:10
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KotCzarny	he must like you	20:12
KotCzarny	:P	20:12
qwerty12	Nah, if anything, he's my bitch :p	20:13
lcuk	liqbase is known in russia :D	20:13
qwerty12	(joke, he'd probably kill me if he saw that :P)	20:13
lcuk	i had to translate a page to find it	20:13
KotCzarny	:)	20:13
KotCzarny	lcuk, i guess english is enough :>	20:13
qwerty12	I know 3 words of Russian, w00t	20:14
KotCzarny	i know more	20:14
qwerty12	But you know Polish, I can't even speak my mother toungue anymore.	20:14
lcuk	i know how you feel qwerty, i cant speak martian any more	20:14
KotCzarny	in fact english is closer to russian than polish	20:15
qwerty12	lcuk, I can translate a bit if you want?	20:15
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lcuk	its ok, google did a decent job for me	20:15
KotCzarny	:>	20:16
KOPOED	poor gprs...	20:16
lcuk	mmmm tea ready, back later	20:16
KotCzarny	yeah, google translators is quite decent	20:16
KotCzarny	*are	20:16
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cactaur	Hey, has anyone managed to get the Liferea port for OS2008 to install?	20:27
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KotCzarny	very bad accidents compilation: www.joemonster.org/filmy/6741/7-minut-najwiekszych-wypadkow	20:41
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RST38bis	if it's video i can't watch it over gprs ;]	20:42
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KotCzarny	yes it is	20:42
KotCzarny	:)	20:42
KotCzarny	quit painfull :)	20:43
RST38bis	god, send us 3g! (and punish nokia for omitting edge from european e70)	20:45
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realive	hi all	20:58
summatusmentis	Is anyone else bothered by the fact that nokia seems to be banking on a technology(wi max) that isn't proliferating very well?	20:58
summatusmentis	hi realive	20:58
cactaur	It isn't?	20:58
summatusmentis	doesn't seem to be	20:58
* cactaur feels less guilty now.		20:58
KotCzarny	summa, it's being pushed by intel	20:58
summatusmentis	granted, I haven't been paying attention, but still	20:59
KotCzarny	so they feel quite safe i guess	20:59
KotCzarny	:)	20:59
realive	how I can disable matchbox skin? jast for maemo look like native X	20:59
realive	sorry for my english ;)	20:59
summatusmentis	intel's business is computers, generally, that's a different application than a nationwide network	20:59
KotCzarny	they are a big corp	21:00
summatusmentis	I could see business's using wimax for one access point instead of 50	21:00
KotCzarny	snatching a wordlwide network standard is a nice catch	21:00
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summatusmentis	if anything happens with it	21:00
realive	anybody interested to running Opera under OS2008?	21:01
KotCzarny	time will tell	21:01
KotCzarny	same could be said for 770	21:01
summatusmentis	I agree, time will tell, I'm just worried they're going to start banking on wi-max, and wi-max never takes off, you know?	21:01
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KotCzarny	so what? i have n800	21:02
KotCzarny	:)	21:02
KotCzarny	and no stocks in nokia corp	21:02
summatusmentis	well sure, now you do	21:02
summatusmentis	what if n900 has 3 SD slots, and 2GB internal?	21:02
KotCzarny	and a price tag of 799$ ?	21:03
summatusmentis	I don't know, it's all hypothetical	21:03
summatusmentis	wi-max just doesn't seem to be on people's minds anymore	21:03
Andrewfblack	Hey guys anyone ever set up php server on N810, I'm having trouble every looks like its running right but when I go to the php page it trys to download the file	21:03
KotCzarny	or yet	21:05
darkblue_B	Andrewfblack: that sounds like generic Apache conf	21:09
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Khertan	Hi !	21:10
Khertan	What is this war on dev mailing list about a maemo council ?	21:10
RST38bis	summa: if wimax dies, nokia does not lose much	21:10
darkblue_B	maemo-gossip ?	21:11
RST38bis	just one product and not very original one	21:11
darkblue_B	maemo-oss-leadership-problematic ?	21:11
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RST38bis	khertan: darius is a troll	21:11
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Khertan	:)	21:12
Andrewfblack	using I'm using NGINX as my web server not apache	21:12
darkblue_B	whats NGINX ?	21:12
Khertan	i ask because i ven t follow this 'maemo council' story	21:12
Andrewfblack	I know you have to set up apache to use php but I heard nginx was set up for php already	21:13
RST38bis	and some of his opponents are too polite to ttell him to fuck off right away	21:13
darkblue_B	hmmm yes, I am looking up NGINX .. knee jerk typing	21:13
KotCzarny	rst: it's probably because people are not sure if he really is that stupid	21:14
KotCzarny	:)	21:14
Andrewfblack	nginx is a web server	21:14
darkblue_B	I dunno.. I just put httpd on.. I dont care for apache, but I care less for twisty compatability mazes :=/	21:14
RST38bis	kot: he is.	21:14
KotCzarny	have you met him?	21:14
Khertan	so ...	21:14
Khertan	for me i just dev :) i let other people discuss about political :)	21:15
RST38bis	kot: thus, the usual "where are you from? do you suck?" routine should be applied	21:15
KotCzarny	rst, you are welcome to be a bouncer then :)	21:15
Khertan	i ve just uploaded a new mCalendar release	21:16
Khertan	it fix reccurent event sync problem	21:16
Khertan	0.2.0	21:16
KotCzarny	'fixes'	21:17
KotCzarny	:)	21:17
RST38bis	kot: i do not have a habit to meet morons for confirmation	21:17
Khertan	fixes reccurents events sync problemS	21:17
Khertan	:)	21:17
Khertan	there was many ;)	21:17
KotCzarny	'were'	21:17
KotCzarny	:)	21:17
RST38bis	recurrent	21:18
Khertan	oups ... i should go back to school	21:18
Khertan	:)	21:18
KotCzarny	:)	21:18
* KotCzarny learned english all by himself		21:19
Khertan	it s well know that french speak a poor english	21:19
KotCzarny	'known'	21:19
RST38bis	wait until you meet a chinese...	21:19
KotCzarny	i hate all this multiple languages confusion	21:19
Khertan	kot > i ll do that too :)	21:20
darkblue_B	I think they say, english speakers speak poor french!	21:20
KotCzarny	and people insisting on translating software to obscure languages	21:20
Khertan	yeah i think everyone should speak french :)	21:20
darkblue_B	multiple languages are hard.. however, we need them and also, want them	21:20
darkblue_B	I thnk	21:20
* RST38bis also feels more comfortable with english uis		21:21
darkblue_B	I did some internationalization.. Japanese	21:21
Khertan	hum ... having only one couldn t be a bad thing too	21:21
darkblue_B	the days of thinking that eveyone would change to english are over I think	21:21
KotCzarny	at least you wouldn't have to watch at obscure guis when going overseas	21:21
darkblue_B	Spanish, Mandarin and Hindi, at least	21:22
KotCzarny	and wondering how to order a cup of coffee	21:22
KotCzarny	:)	21:22
RST38bis	nobody is changing to english	21:22
Khertan	i think too , and this is normal, it s the more used	21:22
RST38bis	having help in native language is fine	21:22
darkblue_B	15 years ago people seriously wpoke of the international law/science/business/academic language being english	21:22
KotCzarny	problem is that english has many variations too	21:22
KotCzarny	rst: help, yes, but not ui	21:22
RST38bis	but why translate frigging menus?	21:23
RST38bis	dark: and it is.	21:23
darkblue_B	RST38bis: help implies that the OS and GUI APIs support the character sets	21:23
darkblue_B	.. and perhaps sorting, and puncutation, and such	21:23
darkblue_B	there is quickly a lot to it	21:24
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RST38bis	dark: they all support unicode now	21:24
darkblue_B	I am a user of Unicode.. I like Unicode	21:24
KotCzarny	i like unicode	21:24
RST38bis	this is all fine	21:24
Khertan	someone here use mCalendar ?	21:24
darkblue_B	yes.. I am old enough to remeber well before Unicode	21:24
KotCzarny	better than multiple charsets mess	21:24
RST38bis	but, again, why translate all the menus, buttons, etc?	21:24
KotCzarny	and multiple platforms mess	21:25
darkblue_B	I dont think people expected UTF-8 to be dominant	21:25
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Navi	Khertan, was a deb released?	21:25
RST38bis	khertan: sorry but i really keep mine in my head...	21:25
Navi	I didn't see anything when I saw it on the garage	21:25
Khertan	?	21:25
Khertan	yes there is a deb release :)	21:26
Navi	Where?	21:26
RST38bis	dark: i did, dunno about people	21:26
Khertan	in the extras-devel repository	21:26
Navi	oh	21:26
Navi	It has a garage page and no info on it	21:26
Navi	no deb either	21:26
RST38bis	it is compatible with ascii hence is its dominance.	21:26
KotCzarny	14:27:17 up 95 days, 13:10, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00	21:27
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Khertan	navi> garage page have a link to the web page	21:27
KotCzarny	not a bad uptime for a wrt54g without ups	21:27
KotCzarny	:)	21:27
Navi	Khertan, :P	21:27
RST38bis	heh	21:27
KotCzarny	could be 2 months more if i didn't pull the wrong cable	21:27
Navi	Khertan, http://mcalendar.garage.maemo.org/ needs to redirect	21:28
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Khertan	navi> i m tired to upload to all diferent web site	21:28
RST38bis	flooding and evacuations in iowa, power failure in dc...	21:28
Khertan	it should but i don t know how to upload page to garage	21:28
Navi	:/	21:29
RST38bis	kot: your router wouldn't survive it in dc =)	21:29
darkblue_B	I have an associate in Iowa right now.. right where the flooding is	21:29
darkblue_B	its bad	21:29
Khertan	it haven't yet a page in download section of maemo as it s still an alpha release	21:29
KotCzarny	dc?	21:29
KotCzarny	well	21:29
darkblue_B	be backl later	21:30
KotCzarny	they say manhattan will go down sometime in the future	21:30
KotCzarny	:)	21:30
Navi	Full screen button doesn't full screen it yet?	21:30
Navi	Khertan, anyways, it doesn't scale very well when you bring up the keyboard	21:31
Khertan	no not yet	21:31
Navi	Khertan, does syncing work?	21:31
RST38bis	kot: only after kim jong il nukes tokyo making e ery otaku's dream come true!	21:32
Navi	Ah, just tried it. Captcha Required error	21:32
KotCzarny	:)	21:32
Khertan	the bottom vbox containing button do autosize	21:32
Khertan	and yes not a great idea	21:32
Khertan	yes	21:32
Khertan	ah captcha error ?	21:33
Navi	Yes	21:33
Khertan	it s a google protection	21:33
Khertan	do u have set the prefs ?	21:33
cactaur	Anyone know how to install with a .install file?	21:33
Navi	open it with the app manager, I think	21:33
KotCzarny	well	21:33
KotCzarny	you click on it	21:33
KotCzarny	:)	21:33
cactaur	I opened the Nibbles .install file. And all I got were about seven lines of text.	21:34
Navi	Khertan, do you have a bug tracker and revision repo for this?	21:34
Khertan	yes	21:34
Khertan	on khertan.net	21:34
Khertan	you ll be the first to try the new bugtracker	21:34
Navi	woo	21:35
Khertan	what is your first impression about mcalendar in a few word ?	21:36
Khertan	s/a/	21:36
Navi	You sure you want to hear it? You might not like it	21:37
Khertan	yes i can always fix things :)	21:38
Navi	Too simple and more like a to-do than a Calendar	21:38
Khertan	i think you doesn't like it because there is no view like ical :)	21:38
Navi	I've never used iCal	21:39
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Navi	Just saw the screenshot	21:40
Navi	Yeah, that's exactly why.	21:40
Khertan	too simple < this what i want ... but a bit too much :)	21:40
Khertan	https://www.google.com/accounts/DisplayUnlockCaptcha	21:40
Khertan	for captcha	21:40
Navi	When I look at a calendar, I want to be able to quickly see if I have a time slot available	21:40
darkblue_B	so.. I have a 2nd N800 coming over today.. after I flash the OS2008 on it... how could I duplicate my setup on the second unit?	21:41
Navi	Khertan, also, the calendar shows start time but lacks an end time	21:42
Khertan	hum ... something indicating if there is free time should be a great idea	21:42
Khertan	there is an end in the day view	21:42
darkblue_B	there is a backup restore utility.. any experience with it?	21:43
Khertan	i think that seeing end is not usefull when your are looking event for week or month	21:43
Khertan	but maybe i'm wrong	21:43
Navi	It's very useful day-by-day though	21:44
oilinki	I would love to have an calendar which can do sync with google calendar in easy way	21:44
Khertan	anyway the next release will make this customable	21:44
Navi	Khertan, scheduling conflicts are a nightmare. You want to be sure that the time blocks don't overlap before you agree to an event	21:44
Navi	and before you enter it in	21:44
Khertan	oilinki > it s the purpose of mCalendar	21:45
Khertan	navi > why so heavy button ? to be use without stylus	21:45
Navi	What?	21:45
oilinki	Khertan: therefore I hope you'll keep on making it better. I did not try it yet, but based of the feedback on the channel.	21:46
Navi	oilinki, this is one man's opinion.	21:46
oilinki	do you know if there will be an calendar application on the next os version?	21:46
Khertan	navi > sorry i don t understand what u said about scheduling conflict	21:47
Navi	Khertan, I was just stating why ending times are important.	21:47
Khertan	ah ok	21:47
Khertan	i understand	21:47
Khertan	maybe something warning user that there is already an event when you validate a new one in the same date	21:48
Navi	nah	21:48
Navi	If you're already entering it in, then it's just been a hassle	21:49
Khertan	?	21:49
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Khertan	you r right	21:49
Khertan	a view with free time should be better	21:50
Navi	Oh, the password box needs set_visibility(gtk.FALSE)	21:50
Navi	That would be nice, actually	21:50
Khertan	:)	21:50
Navi	Not because I care about my password being hidden, but it's still a security problem	21:52
Navi	Khertan, the email/password thing still comes up with the catchpa error box even if it's actually because of the wrong username/password	21:54
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Navi	man :\	21:56
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khertan	Re	21:57
Navi	Woo	21:57
khertan	you are saying that you get captcha error still after validating it on google ?	21:58
Navi	No	21:58
khertan	so i ven't understood :)	21:58
Navi	I'm saying if I have the wrong username/password, I'll get the captcha error	21:58
khertan	hum ... no ...	21:59
khertan	if you set a wrong password gdata answer wrong password	21:59
khertan	but if u use a locked login. Google verify captcha before	21:59
khertan	and connection error is captcha error :)	21:59
Navi	hmm	22:00
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khertan	the error message is the one given by google	22:00
Navi	Oh, I get this error when syncin	22:00
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Navi	coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found	22:00
khertan	?	22:00
khertan	outch !	22:00
khertan	never get this one	22:01
khertan	can u can sync again but with launching mcalendar from xterm ?	22:01
Navi	I already did	22:01
khertan	what say the stdout ?	22:01
Navi	Well	22:03
Navi	Now I'm getting a 404 error	22:04
Navi	at least, it looks that way	22:04
khertan	ok ...	22:05
khertan	is it a reccurent event ?	22:05
Navi	No	22:05
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Navi	I just deleted an event that's on both calendars and resync'd	22:05
Navi	let me pastebin	22:06
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khertan	do you have deleted it both on mcalendar and google ?	22:07
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Navi	no	22:07
Navi	I just deleted it locally	22:08
Navi	Oh, but it was deleted on GCal when I synced	22:10
khertan	hum ... do u have more than one calendar ?	22:10
Navi	nope	22:10
Navi	http://pastebin.ca/1048008	22:10
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Navi	khertan, you should use the thicker scroll bars	22:11
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Navi	khertan, even though that error came up, it sync'd the calendars	22:12
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khertan	sorry ...	22:27
khertan	my wife called me	22:27
khertan	Navi: if u know how to use thicker scroll bars in python ... i looking for it	22:27
khertan	raahhhh !!! stupid livebox! and stupid orange dns !	22:28
KotCzarny	then use opendns	22:28
khertan	yes ... but the new firmware switch all dns request to their own dns	22:28
KotCzarny	heh..	22:29
KotCzarny	is that in the contract?	22:29
khertan	no	22:30
khertan	64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=124 ttl=239 time=467.2 ms	22:30
KotCzarny	64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=100 ms	22:30
unixSnob	Any way to get ls colors to work? "man ls" fails, and I don't see a man page for it on the web either. Is ls part of busybox?	22:30
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khertan	Cannot access the calendar you requested ... hum ... strange	22:32
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unixSnob	okay, I see that 'ls' is part of busybox, and the busybox man page claims --color=auto is supported, but os2008 doesn't take it	22:35
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AStorm	unixSnob: OS2008 uses old busybox	22:41
AStorm	with disabled advanced options	22:41
KotCzarny	old and crippled	22:42
flo_lap	i all	22:43
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lcuk	yes florian, you are all	22:43
lcuk	KotCzarny, you mentioned earlier it was like you were drunk yesterday	22:44
lcuk	(i think)	22:44
KotCzarny	:)	22:44
KotCzarny	yeah, headache	22:44
KotCzarny	heat induced	22:44
AStorm	flo_lap: it's spelled "eye ball"	22:45
lcuk	booo, well ive managed to add a whole new module and not really know whats in it	22:45
AStorm	lcuk: rootkit included? ;P	22:45
flo_lap	:)	22:46
lcuk	it would be a very bleary rootkit if so, no i think i was playing with multi touch	22:46
AStorm	lcuk: hmm, n8x0 supports multitouch after all? I didn't think so.	22:47
lcuk	simulated pinch type motion, not full chording	22:47
AStorm	ahh	22:47
AStorm	fake	22:47
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AStorm	just get us generic gesture support	22:47
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lcuk	what good would generic support do in applications where mouse input has already been used to create objects and modify data?	22:48
AStorm	launching key shortcuts	22:48
KotCzarny	astorm: fake multitouch is as good as real one	22:48
lcuk	do you waste responsiveness and real time interaction because you are waiting to see if the user did a squiggle?	22:48
AStorm	KotCzarny: close, but no cookie	22:48
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AStorm	lcuk: naaah	22:49
AStorm	need e.g. tripletap to engage	22:49
WorkingOnWise	is there any way, including physical replacement, to improve the quality of the n800 cam?	22:49
lcuk	therefore, generic gesturing should be restricted to specific places and those specific places know what to do with it, hence "generic" gestures arent practical.. ;)	22:49
AStorm	WorkingOnWise: nope	22:49
AStorm	you'd have to replace the chip too	22:49
WorkingOnWise	ack!	22:50
WorkingOnWise	the chip isnt part of the cam unit? the ccd?	22:50
lcuk	WorkingOnWise, tether a mobile phone cam and use that instead	22:50
AStorm	lcuk: e.g. maemo-browser next, previous, open bookmarks (fullscreen)	22:50
AStorm	stop	22:50
AStorm	and such like	22:50
lcuk	then put the code into maemo-browser	22:50
AStorm	and then double it in maemopad	22:50
lcuk	dont rock the boat by making something generic thats not required	22:50
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AStorm	and also add to fbreader	22:50
AStorm	and others	22:51
lcuk	sure: write a library	22:51
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AStorm	yes	22:51
AStorm	and port all apps to it	22:51
AStorm	I'd like it on my desktop to	22:51
AStorm	*too	22:51
WorkingOnWise	well now that flashcam works and I can use the cam in the browser, I will see about a new cam for it....maybe hack in a really small usb cam somehow...	22:51
lcuk	already available for desktops (at least in windows)	22:51
AStorm	lcuk: generic?	22:51
AStorm	then I want it for Linux too	22:52
KotCzarny	yes, it works on pc too	22:52
KotCzarny	;)	22:52
AStorm	gimme	22:52
AStorm	links appreciated	22:53
KotCzarny	ask lcuk	22:53
lcuk	its ancient	22:53
KotCzarny	:)	22:53
AStorm	lcuk: ancient doesn't bother me	22:53
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AStorm	I can refresh it	22:53
AStorm	if it's good enough	22:53
lcuk	the one i used was called strokeit	22:53
lcuk	ummm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_gesture	22:53
lcuk	list of apps for various oses	22:53
WorkingOnWise	stroket rocks!	22:54
AStorm	maemo port anyone? ;P	22:54
WorkingOnWise	I used strokeit as my HWRapp on 4 older windows based tablets I had. worked better that the palms HWR because I could write anywher on the screen I wanted	22:55
* lcuk wants computer to recognise international "no way you stupid hunk of silicon lost my work" gesture ( .\|.. )		22:55
AStorm	lcuk: I'd tie it to "restore backup" function	22:55
AStorm	;P	22:55
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KotCzarny	lcuk: just catch the 'angry taps'	22:55
WorkingOnWise	lol...strokeit would let you make a gesture for that if u really needed one!	22:55
AStorm	no	22:55
AStorm	a punch on the screen	22:55
WorkingOnWise	lol	22:55
AStorm	would be better with a gravimetric sensor	22:56
lcuk	Mouse.Pressure == "OMG Mike Tyson, you can have my lunch"	22:56
AStorm	a slight headslap ;)	22:56
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WorkingOnWise	looks like development on it stopped in 2005. Maybe theyd turl it into a GPL license....	22:58
WorkingOnWise	or turn	22:58
AStorm	wayV?	22:58
WorkingOnWise	strokeit	22:58
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AStorm	well, all the projects are old	23:00
WorkingOnWise	hands down the best pen enabled app I have ever used. It wasnt ever ment to be HWR, but it worked better as a HWR app that anything M$, CIC, PenDragon or Palm ever came up with.	23:00
AStorm	and I'm bad at X11	23:00
Navi	khertan, hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar() doesn't work?	23:00
* lcuk has an enormous sample of his handwriting now and requires just a port of the recognition/island code from vb to make use of it		23:00
WorkingOnWise	right now, I'm using the Garnet VM for HWR on my N800	23:01
AStorm	lcuk: no can do	23:01
WorkingOnWise	port from VB?	23:01
WorkingOnWise	ouch	23:01
AStorm	I'll be writing handwriting recognition system soon enough	23:01
AStorm	but unless you provide me with a description of the format, you won't get it ;P	23:01
lcuk	WorkingOnWise :) people are starting to see what i can do in a resource confined nokia device... similar situation in vb. its not the tools its how you use them :)	23:02
WorkingOnWise	AStorm: you should take a good look at strokeit. I'll see if I can get the cource from them. Its written in c++	23:02
AStorm	no, I don't need to	23:02
AStorm	I've looked at it a few times already.	23:02
WorkingOnWise	oh, ok then...	23:02
AStorm	Just need to catch up on X event generation.	23:02
AStorm	and add better AI ;P	23:02
WorkingOnWise	strokit was great, even on win2000 on a P233 with 128MB	23:03
WorkingOnWise	of ram.	23:03
AStorm	it's bad	23:03
AStorm	it mistakes similar letters ;P	23:03
WorkingOnWise	whats bad? strokeit?	23:04
AStorm	yes, strokeit	23:04
AStorm	needs a lot of training	23:04
lcuk	strokeit worked well for gestures. it was a bit poor at full hwr though	23:04
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lcuk	afterall, it was written for gestures..	23:04
AStorm	exactly	23:04
AStorm	I want hwr	23:04
Navi	cellwriter is better for hwr	23:04
Navi	though, it uses those cells	23:05
WorkingOnWise	yeah, but the training can be done once, and all the trained gastures become portable. I trained 2 times, copied to 4 machines over 7 years, and untold reinstalls	23:05
WorkingOnWise	ackkk...cellwriter..ack	23:05
Navi	urfase	23:05
WorkingOnWise	anything that locks me to cells...ack...ack	23:05
AStorm	I'll try vector+bitmap based fuzzy recognition plus some KNN	23:06
lcuk	ahem...working, unless you know something the rest of us dont, arent you made from cells?	23:06
AStorm	should work well enough	23:06
Navi	lcuk, hah	23:06
WorkingOnWise	lol	23:06
lcuk	why bitmap?	23:06
AStorm	lcuk: because sometimes vector recognition is not good enough	23:06
WorkingOnWise	cells as in little boxes that if i write outside of the hwr engine sputters out	23:07
lcuk	leave that to the ocr gods?	23:07
AStorm	no no	23:07
lcuk	if you have the vectors then there is nothing better	23:07
AStorm	it's meant to supplement vectors	23:07
AStorm	in case a vector matches good but not enough	23:07
AStorm	I'll run knn on bitmaps in that case	23:07
AStorm	on plausible bitmaps	23:07
AStorm	hopefully it will be fast enough	23:08
KotCzarny	google ocr	23:08
KotCzarny	:)	23:08
AStorm	KotCzarny: so?	23:08
AStorm	handwriting ocr needs more AI	23:09
KotCzarny	yup	23:09
AStorm	thus KNN	23:09
KotCzarny	dictionary supplements ocr	23:09
KotCzarny	be it vector or bitmap	23:09
AStorm	maybe I'll try neural, though it probably won't be efficient enough	23:09
AStorm	KotCzarny: definitely	23:10
AStorm	but dictionary should be second to detection	23:10
AStorm	not the other way around, or we'll get Newton again ;P	23:10
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WorkingOnWise	forgive this uber-n00bish quesion, but why can so many other platforms (win, wince, palm, psion) on such a wide range of hardware, for so many years, get a workable, and sometimes a great, HWR system up, but *nix has been floundering and struggling with it for at least 7 years that I know of?	23:10
AStorm	s/workable/okayish/	23:10
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AStorm	WorkingOnWise: because no one paid us to do one	23:11
lcuk	because its a piece of software thats difficult in programming terms to get "user ready" and noone has been willing to do this for free yet. there are many attempts which work for specific cercumstances, but the only people willing to develop for it fully are on somebodies payroll	23:11
KotCzarny	and no one had touchscreen on his/her pc	23:11
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AStorm	yeah, no touchscreens	23:12
AStorm	that's the major problem	23:12
AStorm	but I have a few	23:12
AStorm	and I could get a grant to do that, so...	23:12
AStorm	I'll do it	23:12
WorkingOnWise	you can get a grant to write an HWR system?	23:13
AStorm	WorkingOnWise: research work	23:13
WorkingOnWise	nice.	23:13
WorkingOnWise	love that word!	23:13
lcuk	research work does not normally end up with a user application	23:13
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AStorm	lately nobody wants to do any AI here, which is bad	23:13
KotCzarny	sometimes it does	23:13
AStorm	lcuk: usually, but I'm going to use it myself	23:13
AStorm	so it will	23:13
WorkingOnWise	makes everything fundable!	23:13
KotCzarny	O.o	23:14
KotCzarny	thunderstorm	23:14
lcuk	what KotCzarny, you say AStorm is coming?	23:14
AStorm	KotCzarny: now, that's symbolic... AstralStorm, not thunderstorm	23:14
AStorm	;P	23:14
WorkingOnWise	its great when grant projects make it into the wild, IMHO	23:14
WorkingOnWise	lol	23:14
WorkingOnWise	bad lcuk....but funny :)	23:14
KotCzarny	i wonder if it b0rks my comps	23:15
AStorm	ok, so I'll better contact our team which is mostly disbanded now	23:15
lcuk	WorkingOnWise, yes, i remember when the great influenza outbreak of 1983 escaped from the lab. how we laughed :\|	23:15
AStorm	people have been hired by "evil corporations"	23:15
lcuk	i would actually like to work at microsoft research :)	23:15
AStorm	well, not M$	23:16
AStorm	but yeah, M$ research is the only fun branch of that corp	23:16
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, prepare for massive booing	23:16
lcuk	why not, they have a lot of mojo at the moment, photosynth and the table thing :)	23:16
AStorm	surface ftw	23:16
KotCzarny	it's not theirs	23:16
AStorm	it is theirs	23:16
KotCzarny	they usually acquire tech	23:16
AStorm	no	23:16
KotCzarny	and ideas	23:16
AStorm	not really	23:16
AStorm	at least, not M$ Research	23:17
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KotCzarny	yup	23:17
lcuk	thats the same with every company - google have "aquired" the minds of people who have good ideas	23:17
AStorm	yeah, that's "research" for you ;P	23:17
KotCzarny	but m$ tends to slap 'new' and 'original' badges	23:17
lcuk	Valve "aquired" the portal technology	23:17
KotCzarny	and pretend they discovered wheel again	23:17
KotCzarny	kurde	23:18
AStorm	well, surface is nice, but it's a sci-fi movie ripoff	23:18
lcuk	name one thing that isnt?	23:18
AStorm	laptops	23:18
KotCzarny	do i say valve is ok?	23:18
KotCzarny	or other companies that do it?	23:18
AStorm	nope	23:18
AStorm	i nie klnij ;P	23:19
KotCzarny	nie klne, to lajtowo bylo ;P	23:19
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KotCzarny	something got hit in my area	23:19
AStorm	whee	23:19
qwerty12_N800	painful	23:19
AStorm	hope something expensive	23:19
Dekaritae	http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hildon_desktop_scaled_karoliina_416.jpg	23:19
KotCzarny	luckily nothing burned in my pcs	23:19
KotCzarny	:)	23:19
Dekaritae	How can I get that menu, with small icons?	23:19
AStorm	I could also try working at a new WM	23:19
AStorm	Ion3 done right, w/o crazy	23:20
qwerty12_N800	Dekaritae, flash back to os2007	23:20
AStorm	but, as I said, I currently suck at X11	23:20
Dekaritae	Aww	23:20
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AStorm	need more X11 docs	23:20
AStorm	esp. on how to write a window manager ;P	23:20
AStorm	how to synthesize events	23:21
AStorm	grab mouse etc.	23:21
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qwerty12_N800	wellm	23:21
AStorm	any good books?	23:21
lcuk	Dekaritae, thats running on a full laptop isnt it - ie higher resolution anyway?	23:21
Dekaritae	Yes	23:21
Dekaritae	http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/02/09/beyond-800x480/	23:21
WorkingOnWise	AStorm: have you seen this? www.inf.ufsc.br/~deters/xgestures	23:21
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AStorm	this one, yes	23:21
AStorm	but it's mostly dumb	23:21
KotCzarny	astorm: find the app that does similiar things as yours and rip the code	23:22
KotCzarny	:)	23:22
lcuk	it might be dumb, but wont that have the interaction with x that you could use to plug your skynet into?	23:22
AStorm	KotCzarny: like, PyWM? it's, hmm, so-so	23:22
KotCzarny	:)	23:23
AStorm	lcuk: skynet? now, that's lol	23:23
AStorm	but then, it doesn't	23:23
AStorm	it is vector-only	23:23
AStorm	although, I can learn some X11 from it	23:23
AStorm	we need some object X11 wrappers	23:23
lcuk	you sure, you want more AI and recognition. you know it will spread around the world waiting for someone to scribe "john connor" into it	23:23
AStorm	lol	23:24
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AStorm	no, it's not thinking	23:24
AStorm	it's only recognizing	23:24
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lcuk	you say that now	23:24
AStorm	no, I'm not that good... unless I think up some breakthrough	23:25
lcuk	your mechanical handwriting turk willbe the eyes	23:25
AStorm	nope	23:25
AStorm	ok, so any nice book about low-level X11?	23:27
AStorm	alternatively, some nice OO wrapper, C++ or Python preferred	23:27
AStorm	Do I hear crickets?	23:29
* lcuk actually gets the impression AStorm's x11 driver will end up looking like a wallace and gromit machine :P		23:29
AStorm	hm?	23:29
lcuk	if you started now at least	23:29
AStorm	:>	23:30
qwerty12_N800	yum, wensleydale	23:30
AStorm	I am	23:30
AStorm	not x11 driver	23:30
AStorm	Window Manager	23:30
AStorm	that's different category	23:30
lcuk	a whole window manager just to inject a few events?	23:30
AStorm	no	23:31
AStorm	the WM is a kind of a dream	23:31
lcuk	:) as it is for a lot of us	23:31
darkblue_B	some people seem to be using python to maake apps.. what level do you want to work on?	23:31
darkblue_B	AStorm: did you say that you want to make your own hardware?	23:32
AStorm	darkblue_B: no	23:32
darkblue_B	how who hears crickets!	23:34
darkblue_B	anyway.. I am on Day 4 with my N800	23:35
darkblue_B	I am a coder.. I do GUIs .. I donth think I am going to take the plungs ane make custom apps for Maemo	23:35
darkblue_B	but I do like it.. and I want to test some of my generic things and make sure they run	23:35
darkblue_B	python.. and web based	23:35
darkblue_B	I notice that the media player.. used a reasonable amount of Python and the Enlightenment Foundation Classes and got something interesting	23:36
darkblue_B	Flash runs of course.. you can do quite a bit in Flash.. but its just not my background	23:36
darkblue_B	I like Flash, too.. I like Adobe products	23:37
darkblue_B	I just havent bult things that way.	23:37
darkblue_B	My associate is coming over just now.. and we are going to flash his N800 with the current OS2008.. and I'll have ahand at using the backup/restore to copy what I've built so dfar onto his (identical) machine	23:38
darkblue_B	I cant imagine that going down to a low-level X11 is the rightapproach to take except for some very specialized needs	23:39
darkblue_B	the thing is a little slow.. but for what you get.. I dont care	23:39
darkblue_B	very impressive in general.. I like it	23:39
AStorm	darkblue_B: it is, X11 WM parts	23:40
AStorm	I'll use Pango for text rendering	23:41
AStorm	maybe Cairo for image display	23:41
AStorm	so, the WM will use GTK	23:42
AStorm	(at least Pango parts of it)	23:42
AStorm	the real gem will be in programability	23:42
AStorm	and good APIs	23:43
AStorm	as I said, I want to outdo XMonad in that respect	23:43
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darkblue_B	ok hi...	23:59
darkblue_B	I am tryng to flash another N800	23:59
darkblue_B	I just started the flash utility.. on the same box that I used successfully previously	23:59
darkblue_B	started the N800 with the home button down	23:59

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