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| GAN8001 | milhouse, I found this one particularly hilarious: http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-inside-nokia-interview.html | 00:03 |
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| milhouse | GAN: http://pastebin.ca/1034410 | 00:04 |
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| GAN8001 | Oh, nice. | 00:04 |
| GAN8001 | Thanks! | 00:04 |
| milhouse | Can't say it's 100% accurate - one I know I downloaded about 2-3 weeks after release, think it was one of the N800/OS2008 releases | 00:04 |
| GAN8001 | Better than nothing. | 00:04 |
| GAN8001 | My citation will read: "milhouse sez" | 00:04 |
| milhouse | :) | 00:04 |
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| milhouse | blimey, that bloke with thoughtfix doesn't look like the picture on Ari's blog!! | 00:07 |
| milhouse | it's an imposter! | 00:07 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 00:07 |
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| GAN8001 | Now I just need the notes filed in. | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | I guess I'll just put it up for now, though | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | Since those aren't critical. | 00:09 |
| milhouse | it's funny how Ari talks about things improving, I've actually stopped using my tablets due to problems with microb - i think the 770 was more reliable. i get too self concious using my N810 now on a crowded train, with people looking over my shoulder while I prod a link up to 10 times before the device responds... | 00:11 |
| milhouse | i really don't give a rats arse about new features and technology anymore - just fix the god damned basic functionality! :) | 00:12 |
| milhouse | (then you can add the new features) | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, I know what you mean (though I don't have too much trouble with MicroB), | 00:13 |
| milhouse | i browse on my shitty sony ericsson phone now - why? because the touchscreen and browser works when i click on a link... | 00:13 |
| GAN8001 | A large amount of the nonsense can be blamed on the touchscreen hardware. :\ | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | I hope they use a real panel for the next tablet. | 00:14 |
| milhouse | GAN: the touchscreen on my device is really bad - the touchscreen has been a perenial problem on the N8x0 range | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | My two N800s aren't bad. | 00:14 |
| GAN8001 | I've seen enough people with troubles, though. . . . | 00:14 |
| milhouse | GAN: Mine are OK, but when it comes to hitting a small link with my finger - no chance | 00:14 |
| milhouse | even using the stylus is tricky | 00:15 |
| MangoFusion_ | not as bad as, say, running scummvm on an iphone. now that was bad | 00:15 |
| milhouse | and I know I'm hitting it, the browser just doesn't respond... | 00:15 |
| GAN8001 | I hate fingering a link and having the pointer roll off as I lift my finger. | 00:15 |
| milhouse | "Mine are OK" - but could (should) be better | 00:15 |
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| GAN8001 | It would do the platform a would of good to have a device with a decent touch panel | 00:16 |
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| milhouse | GAN: that's why i was impressed by the Android demo, the UI and page scrolling looks pretty good. I wish it were as good on the N8x0's | 00:16 |
| GAN8001 | s/would/world | 00:16 |
| milhouse | Nokia can't stuff up the hardware with the next device - the video hardware AND touchscreen is bolloxed on the N8x0 | 00:16 |
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| milhouse | get both of those right and they're in with a chance of developing a nice UI | 00:17 |
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| GAN8001 | OK, it's up, thanks milhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Release_Table | 00:17 |
| MangoFusion_ | ...but it runs linux. that pretty much negates the dodgy hardware, right? ;) | 00:17 |
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| GAN8001 | If only, MangoFusion_. | 00:17 |
| texel | MangoFusion_: So does Android... =o) | 00:18 |
| milhouse | GAN: Cool - OS 2007 looking much better :) | 00:18 |
| MangoFusion_ | now you've got me there. oh well | 00:18 |
| MangoFusion_ | we're all doomed | 00:18 |
| MangoFusion_ | :P | 00:18 |
| jeroin | i like fingering | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ? | 00:19 |
| GAN8001 | Who doesn't, jeroin. :P | 00:19 |
| jeroin | you said you hated :p | 00:20 |
| RST38h | nothing negates dodgy hardware | 00:21 |
| texel | RST38h: hear, hear! | 00:21 |
| * GAN8001 never uses the stylus. | 00:21 | |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, I hate the touchscreen moving the point as I lift my finger off it. ;) | 00:21 |
| RST38h | GAN <--- must have Dracula-sized nails | 00:21 |
| * qwerty12_N800 always uses the stylus | 00:22 | |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, don't forget to sign your comments. (~~~~) | 00:22 |
| jeroin | a friend of me once said, spinning vinyl is like fingering pussy | 00:22 |
| * texel toggles | 00:22 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:22 |
| * RST38h tried fingers, failed, uses stylus now | 00:22 | |
| texel | Spinning vinyl? O.o | 00:22 |
| RST38h | GAN: 1:21am + friday + I am lazy. | 00:22 |
| GAN8001 | S'ok, I'll sign it manually. :P | 00:22 |
| RST38h | Actually, I started on that installer center UI | 00:23 |
| texel | On second thought, don't answer that question. | 00:23 |
| RST38h | Did not finish - too much other work unfortunately | 00:23 |
| texel | I don't want to know. | 00:23 |
| * GAN8001 should get a signbot together for maemowiki | 00:23 | |
| RST38h | GAN: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ | 00:23 |
| jeroin | i guess it depends on how big your fingers are :) | 00:23 |
| RST38h | Take a look | 00:23 |
| GAN8001 | texel, dj scratching. | 00:23 |
| texel | Ah. | 00:23 |
| jeroin | iirc the older you become the thicker they get | 00:23 |
| GAN8001 | Looking good, but rob some of the maemo icons. | 00:24 |
| jeroin | beatmatching, scratching.. | 00:24 |
| RST38h | GAN: Icons are not important | 00:24 |
| RST38h | The more important thing is that there is still no code behind this page | 00:24 |
| jeroin | the one thing i've been quite unsuccessful with, is microb scrolling using the scrollbars + finger (or even with stylus) | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Nice but it would be nice if riight os version was chosen on user agent :) | 00:25 |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, it's much better in the svn. | 00:25 |
| jeroin | whoever decided to make those scrollbars thin instead of as thick as the top statusbar and other normal icons deserves to be slapped :) | 00:25 |
| jeroin | great i can wait then=] | 00:26 |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, you don't have to. | 00:26 |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 | 00:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: the code is not there | 00:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: But you are welcome to write it =) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, not me :p :) | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | planet still down | 00:27 |
| GAN8001 | Those bastards are probably all smashed. . . . | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 00:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, Gonna smash them? | 00:28 |
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| jeroin | hmm.. | 00:28 |
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| jeroin | This one's the tricky one. It conflicts with libgtkmozembed and to replace it, you'll have to remove components of the browser that you can't reinstall from repos (I couldn't find them, at least). | 00:29 |
| GAN8001 | Nah, plane tickets to Germany are expensive, and I'm not sure how they'd feel about me bringing my Louisville as carry-on. | 00:29 |
| milhouse | Planet ok here | 00:29 |
| GAN8001 | jeroin, it's not hard. | 00:29 |
| GAN8001 | This one here, milhouse? http://planet.maemo.org/ | 00:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Earth is working. atm... | 00:30 |
| jeroin | there is some way to make a .deb out of an installed deb package on system | 00:30 |
| milhouse | i stand corrected - yep that's down :) I was looking at this one http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 00:30 |
| GAN8001 | So I figured. :P | 00:30 |
| milhouse | how many planets do we need??? | 00:30 |
| GAN8001 | itT is so ridiculously bloated. | 00:30 |
| GAN8001 | well, downloads.maemo.org and maemo.org/downloads | 00:31 |
| GAN8001 | so . . . as many as possible? | 00:31 |
| milhouse | maybe Henri can sort it out - or is it Niels? | 00:31 |
| milhouse | whoever is responsible for infra should do some pruning... :) | 00:31 |
| GAN8001 | Probably Niels these days. | 00:31 |
| RST38h | A Taiwan man grieving over the death of his girlfriend climbed inside a morgue freezer to be with her and was only pulled out alive half an hour later. | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | o.0 | 00:32 |
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| milhouse | This was rather special: "A woman has been arrested in Japan for sneaking into a man's house and living in his wardrobe without him knowing." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7426950.stm | 00:32 |
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| milhouse | She can live in my wardrobe as long as she does the ironing and hoovering | 00:33 |
| balrog-kun | hey, what's an easy way to take pictures with the N810 camera and save to files? (yes i know the quality will not be worth it) | 00:33 |
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| RST38h | milhouse: But it wasn't a freezer! | 00:34 |
| RST38h | And the old fart was alive! | 00:34 |
| GAN8001 | balrog-kun, with one of the camera applications? | 00:34 |
| GAN8001 | Camera, gps-camera, etc. | 00:34 |
| milhouse | Maybe he should have waited until they cremated her... | 00:34 |
| RST38h | umgh | 00:34 |
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| RST38h | at this optimistic suggestion, I am leaving you and going to bed. | 00:35 |
| balrog-kun | GAN8001: is there one that is supposed to be on my device already? | 00:35 |
| GAN8001 | No, balrog-kun. | 00:35 |
| milhouse | night night :) | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | camera-test... | 00:35 |
| GAN8001 | But there should be a bunch in Extras. | 00:35 |
| GAN8001 | Later, RST38h. | 00:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night RST38h | 00:35 |
| jeroin | anyone here using vpn on the n8x0? | 00:35 |
| balrog-kun | GAN8001: okays, i'll get one of these, thanks | 00:35 |
| balrog-kun | and check out camera-test too | 00:35 |
| * qwerty12_N800 recommends getting a camera app that uses dbus | 00:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | actually for n810, it makes no difference about dbus | 00:37 |
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| GAN8001 | I so need one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2535894759/in/pool-beagleboard | 00:37 |
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| drwx | hi, I want to do a program that record the signal from the sound card | 00:38 |
| jeroin | if i understand correctly, vpnc won't work when the other side runs openvpn/freeswan/isakmpd? | 00:39 |
| drwx | on my computer I just did : | 00:39 |
| drwx | if ((fd_audio = open ("/dev/audio", O_WRONLY)) < 0) { | 00:39 |
| drwx | then read (fd_file, buf, sizeof(buf)) | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jeroin, no afaik | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vpnc's for cisco stuff | 00:40 |
| drwx | but it dont work on my N810 | 00:40 |
| drwx | can you helpme | 00:40 |
| balrog-kun | drwx: O_WRONLY? | 00:40 |
| balrog-kun | that isn't supposed to let you read() from it | 00:41 |
| jeroin | right so openvpn is probably necessary | 00:41 |
| drwx | the problem is that /dev/audio does not exist on maemo | 00:41 |
| GAN8001 | milhouse, you see the LinuxTag stuff? | 00:41 |
| drwx | sorry it's O_RDONLY | 00:42 |
| drwx | but it dont work on N810 | 00:42 |
| milhouse | GAN: Not yet.... still playing catchup | 00:42 |
| jeroin | or perhaps ssh -w that seems also interesting | 00:43 |
| drwx | there is no /de/audio or /dev/dsp on N810 how can I do? | 00:43 |
| GAN8001 | Aside from Quim's presentation, this was the other nice bit: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf | 00:43 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ta for that, should be useful when packaging | 00:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 should upload some of my stuff to extras | 00:45 | |
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| milhouse | i like section 2.2... maybe packages with non-standard sections should not be listed | 00:47 |
| milhouse | in application manager | 00:47 |
| milhouse | that would stop people bastardising the sections | 00:48 |
| jeroin | is there a way to let microb remember passwords? | 00:48 |
| GAN8001 | The thread on -developers about sections a month or two ago cracked me up. | 00:48 |
| GAN8001 | "U WILLLL NOT TOUCH MAH PACKAGES!!!!!" | 00:48 |
| milhouse | :) | 00:48 |
| GAN8001 | Then put them in the right goddam section. | 00:48 |
| milhouse | what's the latest on packages and peer reviews etc... any progress>? | 00:48 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade is doing some amazing work | 00:49 |
| GAN8001 | You saw the auto-builder? | 00:49 |
| GAN8001 | I think we're getting closer | 00:49 |
| milhouse | I haven't seen it, no | 00:49 |
| GAN8001 | but not there yet. | 00:49 |
| GAN8001 | OK, there's an auto-builder. | 00:49 |
| GAN8001 | (also mentioned in -developers) | 00:49 |
| milhouse | that's good to hear that progress is being made | 00:49 |
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| GAN8001 | milhouse, my feeling is that things are finally starting to look up. :) | 00:50 |
| milhouse | i'm getting that impression too :) | 00:50 |
| milhouse | the increased bugzilla activity, auto-builders - maybe it's not too late :) | 00:50 |
| GAN8001 | With X-Fade on the website/Extras, dneary on docs and the wiki (mediawiki is a godsend) and andre and karsten on bugzilla. . . . | 00:50 |
| GAN8001 | Communication-wise things are looking up, too | 00:51 |
| GAN8001 | You heard about the #maemo-meeting? | 00:51 |
| milhouse | yeah - i see Quim has just filed another blog post | 00:51 |
| milhouse | meeting - nooo... do tell! :) | 00:51 |
| GAN8001 | We're scheduling monthly IRC discussions with Quim | 00:51 |
| Jaffa | ev'ning | 00:51 |
| GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html | 00:51 |
| GAN8001 | Hey, Jaffa | 00:52 |
| milhouse | ah yes, I saw the last log (about 3 days after it happened) - very good | 00:52 |
| milhouse | is there a regular date? | 00:52 |
| GAN8001 | Not yet | 00:52 |
| GAN8001 | I imagine things will get pounded out after LinuxTag is entirely wrapped up. | 00:52 |
| * Jaffa is slightly concerned that the 2010 agenda's focus is too narrow from qgil's comment on the talk page | 00:52 | |
| GAN8001 | I'm going to poke X-Fade about it when he gets back. | 00:52 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, I pulled the software requests off into a separate article. | 00:53 |
| GAN8001 | Dinner, bbiab | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and from p.m.o, do we know what Simon (nomis? lardman?) said at LinuxTag about suggestions? | 00:53 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: yeah, I saw. Good job. | 00:53 |
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| milhouse | Quim's going to upload his LinuxTag speech - I wonder what he sounds like? :-) | 00:54 |
| * Jaffa goes to get ready for bed. Mmmm, hotel bathrooms with missus & Jaffa Jr. asleep in the main room. | 00:55 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Like any Spanish person does after living in Finland? :p | 00:55 |
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| milhouse | My imagination is not that vivid! | 00:55 |
| milhouse | I'm expecting "odd" :) | 00:56 |
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| milhouse | Jaffa Jr? So you're not seedless then... ;) | 00:58 |
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| GAN8001 | Haha | 01:01 |
| GAN8001 | Nothing yet, Jaffa. | 01:01 |
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| GAN8001 | I think they'll all getting smashed tonight. | 01:01 |
| GAN8001 | milhouse, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033286.html | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Or following signpost to brothel... :p | 01:02 |
| milhouse | GAN: Thanks | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: definitely not :) | 01:03 |
| GAN8001 | While I'm throwing things at you, this too: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | anyway, g'night: cousin's wedding tomorrow; but should be around in the morning | 01:03 |
| GAN8001 | Have fun. :) | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night | 01:03 |
| milhouse | night jaffa | 01:04 |
| GAN8001 | There've been some good discussions in the past month or two on maemo-developers, milhouse, so I'd be sure to poke through the archives. | 01:05 |
| milhouse | i've got lots of catching up to do on maemo-developers | 01:05 |
| GAN8001 | Not so much on -users, though. ;) | 01:05 |
| milhouse | checks thunderbird... 309 undread messages in dev, 237 in users :) | 01:06 |
| milhouse | s/undread/unread/ | 01:06 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: checks thunderbird... 309 unread messages in dev, 237 in users :) | 01:06 |
| GAN8001 | dreaded unread | 01:06 |
| milhouse | indeed "mark thread as read" will come in handy :) | 01:06 |
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| GAN8001 | Ha . . . can't install Rhapsody on Diablo because no osso-ic. | 01:07 |
| GAN8001 | These 3rd-party non-free apps pick weird dependencies. | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, If you really want it, i'll mod it tomorrow | 01:08 |
| GAN8001 | Nah, not worried about it. | 01:08 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has never used rhapsody. uk... :/ | 01:09 | |
| GAN8001 | I've just had a Jack Johnson song stuck in my head for the past 2 hours and was thinking how nice it'd be to pull it up on the tablet and flush it. :D | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | youtube it :) | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | flash performance is nice on diablo with youtube | 01:10 |
| GAN8001 | I'll just use the web client. | 01:10 |
| rafl | GAN8001: without flashing the kernel or the initfs it seems to work | 01:11 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, like I said, there's not much new in either | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | most of the new stuff in diablo initfs is only applicable to 810w | 01:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | although it does seem to have a fix for that /dev/urandom bug posted on bugzilla (but 810w only) | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | although with some linuxrc changes, shouldn't be much work for to run it on n800 | 01:13 |
| GAN8001 | I should get avahi setup on mine. . . . | 01:14 |
| * qwerty12_N800 set it up only to realise i have no macs :/ | 01:14 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | except for an old osx86 dvd i have... | 01:15 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 01:16 |
| GAN8001 | I have lots and lots and lots. :P | 01:17 |
| rafl | ok. now where to get agps-ui for armel? | 01:17 |
| GAN8001 | Should be in Extras. . . . | 01:17 |
| GAN8001 | Or somewhere | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I should try one, using a macbook with only 1 mouse button put me off | 01:17 |
| GAN8001 | It's right in my application manager. | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | should be in certified | 01:17 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, two fingers + click = right click | 01:18 |
| milhouse | so what's with wiki.maemo.org - has midgard been given the heave-ho? | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, ah | 01:18 |
| GAN8001 | milhouse, yes | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | milhouse, hopefully. midgard sucks | 01:18 |
| GAN8001 | dneary and Navi are working on the wikireorg | 01:18 |
| milhouse | HURRAH!!!! HOOO-FECKING-RAHHHH!!!! :) | 01:18 |
| GAN8001 | Going through all the old pages | 01:18 |
| GAN8001 | Once they get everything sorted, it'll get moved over | 01:19 |
| milhouse | oh joy - i may even try editing some pages in future... i couldn't face doing it in midgard | 01:19 |
| GAN8001 | I'm waiting on that to get down to the real work on mediawiki | 01:19 |
| GAN8001 | milhouse, mediawiki is a thing of beauty | 01:19 |
| GAN8001 | Look at how much better it is already: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days | 01:19 |
| milhouse | agreed... whereas midgard well, let's just say it wasn't | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | why was midgard chosen in the 1st place? | 01:19 |
| GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page | 01:20 |
| milhouse | qwerty: to be fair, i think we were to blame for midgard - quim asked for feedback, didn't get much | 01:20 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 01:20 |
| milhouse | so they went with it | 01:20 |
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| GAN8001 | No matter, the future's bright. :D | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | dneary & X-Fade are proving to be real assets | 01:21 |
| milhouse | yep, andre/guenther, auto-builder and now mediawiki | 01:21 |
| GAN8001 | All four of them are major badasses. | 01:21 |
| * qwerty12_N800 would be interested in editing software pages on the new wiki when it's created | 01:22 | |
| GAN8001 | and as they and Quim are always at pains to point out, they're here for the community. | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | just got to polish up my grammar | 01:22 |
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| GAN8001 | dneary was saying something about software on the maemo wiki. . . . | 01:23 |
| GAN8001 | I meant to ask him for clarification about it. | 01:23 |
| * GAN8001 puts it on the list. | 01:23 | |
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| GAN8001 | "I wonder though if all we are happy and on the same page about a basic question: what is and what should be the target audience of maemo.org? Who makes this community?" | 01:26 |
| GAN8001 | No, we're probably not. | 01:27 |
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| jeroin | wow, hamachi seems to be quite an easy way to set up a vpn | 01:30 |
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| sidnei | hello everyone | 03:05 |
| sidnei | i just bought a used n810 and managed to lock it, and i don't have the unlock code :( | 03:05 |
| sidnei | is there a way to perform a hard reset on it? i don't care if all the data is erased | 03:05 |
| NullM0dem | pull the battery maybe i dunno, you could reflash i think | 03:06 |
| towo | flashing the image might work. | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | No | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | No | 03:06 |
| towo | No? | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | Flashing wont do anything | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | Get the lock code from the last owner | 03:06 |
| GAN8001 | Once you're locked you're stuck. | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | It's on the config partition | 03:07 |
| sidnei | he says he never changed it :( | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | Try 12345? | 03:07 |
| towo | … which flashing kills | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | No, towo | 03:07 |
| sidnei | tried that, and 012345 | 03:07 |
| towo | four oughts? | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | Default is 12345 | 03:07 |
| GAN8001 | Could be anything since he changed it. | 03:08 |
| GAN8001 | sidnei, there may be a thread on itT | 03:08 |
| GAN8001 | Search for "lock code" | 03:08 |
| rm_you | what? flashing always reset mine | 03:08 |
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| GAN8001 | rm_you, not here. :\ | 03:08 |
| rm_you | I thought | 03:08 |
| rm_you | it's worth a shot | 03:08 |
| rm_you | I swear every time I flash it resets my lock code | 03:08 |
| balrog-kun | what kind of lock is that? | 03:08 |
| rm_you | a lame one? | 03:08 |
| * balrog-kun never saw any such option | 03:08 | |
| rm_you | >_> | 03:08 |
| balrog-kun | i.e. like a screensaver locking your screen or something? | 03:09 |
| rm_you | it's really only useful to keep roommates from picking it up and messing with it randomly | 03:09 |
| rm_you | balrog-kun: yes, it's in the control panel thing | 03:09 |
| rm_you | hardware lock | 03:09 |
| GAN8001 | sidnei, well, try flashing | 03:09 |
| GAN8001 | That's never worked for me | 03:09 |
| GAN8001 | but meh | 03:09 |
| GAN8001 | Worth a shot. | 03:09 |
| balrog-kun | hardware lock hmmm | 03:09 |
| rm_you | I'm 50% sure it resets it on flash | 03:10 |
| rm_you | which is much better than a 0% chance like you have now :P | 03:10 |
| GAN8001 | If not, you'll need to figure out a way to dump the config partition. | 03:10 |
| GAN8001 | 0xffffff may do that. | 03:10 |
| balrog-kun | if it's in the config partition you can just overwrite it with a config partition form a different device | 03:10 |
| rm_you | Flash first and return with results :P | 03:10 |
| NullM0dem | what about ssh, has that been setup? | 03:11 |
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| balrog-kun | or remove the executable that implements the locking | 03:11 |
| NullM0dem | which woul dhave to be from ssh | 03:11 |
| NullM0dem | can you browse the device via usb when its locked? | 03:11 |
| rm_you | Flash first and return with results :P we can speculate then :( | 03:11 |
| rm_you | s/:(/:)/ | 03:12 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: Flash first and return with results :P we can speculate then :) | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | ^ | 03:12 |
| balrog-kun | you can also login through the flasher console i think | 03:12 |
| balrog-kun | without ssh | 03:12 |
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| GAN8001 | There's no "flasher console" | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | There's a serial console. | 03:12 |
| GAN8001 | But you'd need to build a cable for that. | 03:12 |
| balrog-kun | umm, i logged in over usb without running sshd | 03:12 |
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| balrog-kun | without booting the rootfs either | 03:13 |
| rm_you | what!? | 03:13 |
| GAN8001 | balrog-kun, that's a feature of fanoush's initfs | 03:13 |
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| balrog-kun | hmmm hmmm | 03:13 |
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| balrog-kun | 0xFFFF -c does this for me, and there's a flasher-static switch to do the same thing iirc | 03:14 |
| rm_you | i think he left to go FLASH THE DEVICE :P | 03:15 |
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| GAN8001 | pancake would be better able to enlighten us. | 03:18 |
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| NullM0dem | lol rm_you, i think he left as well | 03:22 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:23 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder about that cold flash option... | 03:26 |
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| balrog-kun | t_s_o: you need the jig for that i think | 03:34 |
| t_s_o | ok, i was just looking at the flasher-static output | 03:34 |
| * rm_you does a jig | 03:34 | |
| GAN8001 | Wron jig | 03:35 |
| GAN8001 | You get Extras access yet, rm_you? :P | 03:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:35 |
| rm_you | i think i need to apply again | 03:35 |
| rm_you | what is the new proceedure? | 03:36 |
| balrog-kun | jig is some acronym, no idea what it means | 03:36 |
| rm_you | it's also a tool for making chain rings for chainmailing :P | 03:36 |
| GAN8001 | Poke X-Fade with a sharpened stick until he snaps and gives you access. :P | 03:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:37 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: *poke* | 03:37 |
| * rm_you pokes X-Fade | 03:37 | |
| GAN8001 | He's coming back from LinuxTag with a crazy number of highlights. :D | 03:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:38 |
| sidnei | hey | 03:39 |
| sidnei | im back | 03:39 |
| sidnei | walked out for dinner | 03:39 |
| sidnei | so how do i flash this thing? | 03:39 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:39 |
| rm_you | you in windoze? | 03:40 |
| sidnei | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 03:40 |
| sidnei | im on osx | 03:40 |
| rm_you | ah, ask GAN8001 | 03:40 |
| sidnei | i have an ubuntu vm | 03:40 |
| * GAN8001 is teh lazy | 03:40 | |
| rm_you | lol | 03:40 |
| GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 | 03:41 |
| GAN8001 | Follow that | 03:41 |
| sidnei | there we go | 03:41 |
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| rm_you | GAN8001: as one of the 2% of mac users here, these things are your responsibility :P | 03:41 |
| * GAN8001 whines. | 03:42 | |
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| * GAN8001 is surprised nobody added IdeaStorm to the 2010 agenda | 03:42 | |
| NullM0dem | Im placing a newegg order and want to include a flash card for my n810, Iv'e read the n810 is picky on what type of card it uses. anyone get a card from newegg recently? | 03:42 |
| rm_you | yes | 03:42 |
| rm_you | it doesnt seem that picky | 03:43 |
| summatusmentis | IdeaStorm? isn't that a Dell thing? | 03:43 |
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| NullM0dem | rm_you: thanks so any carf should do | 03:43 |
| rm_you | I bought an AData 16g SDHC | 03:43 |
| NullM0dem | card | 03:43 |
| rm_you | was the best deal then | 03:43 |
| rm_you | prolly still is | 03:43 |
| NullM0dem | its work? | 03:43 |
| rm_you | yeah | 03:43 |
| NullM0dem | well of course | 03:43 |
| rm_you | perfectly | 03:43 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: what'd you spend on that? | 03:43 |
| NullM0dem | out of box? i thought the limit was 8gigs with 2008 | 03:43 |
| rm_you | like $45 i think? | 03:43 |
| rm_you | yep | 03:44 |
| rm_you | OOB | 03:44 |
| rm_you | it's just SDHC spec | 03:44 |
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| rm_you | i think it was on sale | 03:45 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, Dell and Ubuntu | 03:46 |
| rm_you | ah came to $55 with shipping according to my receipt | 03:46 |
| rm_you | so it would hav been 48.99 | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | rm_you: is this the card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 | 03:46 |
| rm_you | yep | 03:46 |
| GAN8001 | But I think it'd act as a nice focusing agent for pre-bugzilla brainstorming | 03:46 |
| rm_you | looks like it went up >_> | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | am i grey to everyone, just wondering? | 03:46 |
| rm_you | ? | 03:46 |
| NullM0dem | my text | 03:46 |
| rm_you | on my IRC client your name is green? | 03:46 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: ubuntu came about on Dell machines, because of that | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | Im going to get that card now thanks | 03:47 |
| summatusmentis | NullM0dem: well, yes, but everyone is | 03:47 |
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| rm_you | NullM0dem: at least in XChat, your text is grey to you | 03:47 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19556 | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | ah | 03:47 |
| rm_you | but black to everyone else | 03:47 |
| rm_you | so you can tell what you said :P | 03:47 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: oh... so what does it have to do w/ NITs? | 03:49 |
| GAN8001 | Set up an IdeaStorm on maemo.org | 03:49 |
| GAN8001 | See discussion here, summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda | 03:49 |
| summatusmentis | I see | 03:49 |
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| sidnei | will take 20 something minutes to download omg :) | 03:52 |
| GAN8001 | Get a real connection. :P | 03:53 |
| sidnei | visiting a friend. i will tell him to though :) | 03:53 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 03:53 |
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| sidnei | i have some friends that worked for nokia in brazil, wonder if they hang around this channel | 03:54 |
| GAN8001 | INdT? | 03:54 |
| sidnei | yep | 03:55 |
| GAN8001 | Try #canola | 03:55 |
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| sidnei | meh, don't see any known nick | 03:56 |
| sidnei | where are your friends when you need them :) | 03:56 |
| Anunakin | hi all! | 03:56 |
| summatusmentis | who needs friends | 03:56 |
| Anunakin | Hi sidnei! | 03:57 |
| Anunakin | What u need? | 03:57 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 03:57 |
| NullM0dem | he needs a passkey | 03:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, been backstabbed recently? | 03:57 |
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| sidnei | Anunakin: yeah, locked myself out of my n810 | 03:57 |
| Anunakin | hum... | 03:58 |
| Anunakin | a FW upgrade not resolve? | 03:58 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: meh... not really, I just don't fit in w/ my high school friends | 03:58 |
| sidnei | Anunakin: fw == flashing? im downloading the image | 03:58 |
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| summatusmentis | firmware, I assume | 03:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, heh, know what you mean :) | 03:58 |
| sidnei | duh, i must be tired | 03:58 |
| Anunakin | yes ... FW = FirmWare | 03:58 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, small high school? | 03:59 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: yes, 400 students total. I went to college this last year, and my friends there are way cooler | 03:59 |
| skibur | my website is up | 03:59 |
| Anunakin | I think this resolve... but you lost all apps and configs | 03:59 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 03:59 |
| skibur | going to add my stuff later on | 03:59 |
| GAN8001 | That is small | 03:59 |
| skibur | lol | 03:59 |
| summatusmentis | now I'm back for the summer, and my high school friends are lame | 03:59 |
| rm_you | yeah my highschool was 350ish | 03:59 |
| Anunakin | skibur: nice!!! | 04:00 |
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| rm_you | graduating class of... 60 | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | 2,200 | 04:00 |
| skibur | http://www.skibur.com | 04:00 |
| rm_you | i dont hang out with people from HS really, all my friends are from college, or gradeschool actually | 04:00 |
| summatusmentis | so instead I'm spending my summer finding where network cables go at the local hospital, and writing kernel code | 04:00 |
| skibur | thinking of adding ITT stuff | 04:00 |
| Anunakin | skibur,,, I looking here | 04:00 |
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| sidnei | Anunakin: not that i had anything important on it, i opened the box, setup skype and locked myself out :) | 04:00 |
| rm_you | or from #maemo :P | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 04:00 |
| GAN8001 | I still hang mostly with my high school friends | 04:01 |
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| GAN8001 | . . . or middle school | 04:01 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: heh, my girlfriend is from gradeschool(or, I knew her when we were in gradeschool together), and my college friends are 1200 mi. away | 04:01 |
| Anunakin | My blog, http://anunakin.blogspot.com/ (portuguese) | 04:01 |
| rm_you | are they in #maemo? :P | 04:01 |
| Anunakin | my repository .... deb http://maemo.vivaphp.net/dists/ chinook/ | 04:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, your lock code will still be the same, just disabled :p | 04:01 |
| GAN8001 | Just my clan-friends. | 04:01 |
| skibur | cool | 04:01 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: oh, that helps some | 04:01 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: but there's no way to change it, is there? | 04:02 |
| rm_you | ah yeah, thats right | 04:02 |
| rm_you | it just disables it :P | 04:02 |
| * rm_you remembers now | 04:02 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, you need to know old one | 04:02 |
| GAN8001 | You were half-right. :P | 04:02 |
| rm_you | that helps a bit | 04:02 |
| rm_you | just don't enable it :P | 04:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, wait a sec | 04:02 |
| sidnei | rm_you: fat finger as i am, that's not very hard :) | 04:02 |
| sidnei | rm_you: the lock button should be harder to hit | 04:02 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12_N800: but if stay unlocked.... he can try overwrite the files with another one? | 04:02 |
| sidnei | rm_you: too close to shutdown | 04:03 |
| rm_you | sidnei: you can do "lock screen" | 04:03 |
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| rm_you | just don't enable the lock CODE and it wont ever ask you | 04:03 |
| sidnei | i was actually trying to hit 'offline mode' | 04:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config and open in hex editor and search for lock | 04:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | your code will be in there | 04:03 |
| Anunakin | qwerty12_N800: I found a way to do emulate right and middle mouse clicks on Debian.... | 04:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 04:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | edit systemui.xml btw to take out lock device option btw | 04:05 |
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| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: now im starting to like this :) | 04:06 |
| Anunakin | Any one using "scratchbox 2" ? | 04:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, heh :) | 04:06 |
| andre___ | hmm, thanks for the compliments from three hours ago :) | 04:09 |
| GAN8001 | andre___, I'm highlighting the new guys as many times as possible before everybody gets back from LinuxTag. :P | 04:10 |
| andre___ | thanks, that's good (though i'm back already :-) | 04:11 |
| summatusmentis | ) | 04:11 |
| summatusmentis | you were missing a ) | 04:11 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 04:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 0.o | 04:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | overkill :p | 04:12 |
| * andre___ hands over a ) | 04:13 | |
| andre___ | good that i don't write the UI strings :-P | 04:13 |
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| summatusmentis | sorry, I've been coding kernel stuff all day, paying attention to detail because my mentor is sort of anal about getting it right the first time :D | 04:13 |
| GAN8001 | We'd have to lynch you if you did. :P | 04:13 |
| andre___ | hehe | 04:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | apt-get source hildon-common-strings and I can make ones with swearing in it... | 04:14 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12_N800, you're such a showoff. . . . :P | 04:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | why, thank you :p | 04:15 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: are you a high school student? | 04:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | yeah :) | 04:16 |
| GAN8001 | qwerty12's a youngster. :P | 04:16 |
| summatusmentis | ok, that's what I thought, but I couldn't tell from our conv on friends | 04:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/young/gang | 04:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 04:16 |
| summatusmentis | hey, I was a high school student a year ago | 04:17 |
| summatusmentis | oh yeah, you like stupid music, I forgot that | 04:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | come down to east ldn and say that :p | 04:17 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 04:17 |
| GAN8001 | Music taste develops with age. | 04:17 |
| summatusmentis | I'd love to go to london, but sadly | 04:18 |
| * summatusmentis is a poor college student | 04:18 | |
| sidnei | GAN8001: hey, since you're the mac guy around, are you able to sync contacts with address book? | 04:18 |
| rm_you | i was always like "pft, i'm going to keep up with music trends, unlike my parents... i always like the new stuff" | 04:18 |
| GAN8001 | Just dump the list as a vcard, send it to the NIT and import it from that. | 04:19 |
| rm_you | unfortunately, I didn't anticipate Rap and Hiphop taking off like they have >_< | 04:19 |
| GAN8001 | Hahaha | 04:19 |
| GAN8001 | Bob Dylan FTW! | 04:19 |
| sidnei | GAN8001: yeah, that works *g* | 04:19 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: yeah, I agree | 04:19 |
| * qwerty12_N800 retches | 04:19 | |
| sidnei | gotta whip some python together to make the sync easier :) | 04:19 |
| GAN8001 | ^ he reveals his terrible taste. :P | 04:19 |
| summatusmentis | hah :-D | 04:20 |
| rm_you | pft, well... i listen to HappyHardcore techno :P | 04:20 |
| rm_you | a lot of people don't find that much better | 04:20 |
| summatusmentis | HappyHardcore? I've never heard of that | 04:20 |
| summatusmentis | although, I'm a fan of techno :) | 04:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | sounds like a drug :/ | 04:20 |
| summatusmentis | dude, if that was a drug... I'd be game | 04:21 |
| summatusmentis | maybe | 04:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the game's alright | 04:21 |
| rm_you | http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls | 04:21 |
| rm_you | although, ACK the mix on now is HORRIBLE | 04:21 |
| GAN8001 | Totally Awesome Sweet Alabama Liquid Snake? | 04:21 |
| rm_you | it hurts my ears | 04:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, see, you like proper music :p too :p | 04:21 |
| * sidnei gets ready for some flashing | 04:21 | |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: I have rather eclectic tastes... or, non-mainstream anyway | 04:22 |
| rm_you | nm, that's a horrible intro to HHC | 04:22 |
| sidnei | oh, erm | 04:23 |
| sidnei | sudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable | 04:23 |
| sidnei | now what | 04:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | run! | 04:23 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: I'm a fan, win | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | It should run under Rosetta fine. . . . | 04:23 |
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| rm_you | eh, yeah its getting better | 04:23 |
| sidnei | Rosettta?!? | 04:23 |
| GAN8001 | It's not a UB. | 04:23 |
| sidnei | oh, shocking | 04:24 |
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| GAN8001 | sidnei, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-29.log.html#t2008-01-29T03:12:19 | 04:24 |
| GAN8001 | Try redownloading | 04:24 |
| GAN8001 | Or using another browser | 04:24 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: I like the trancy sounding stuff | 04:24 |
| sidnei | like what, opera? | 04:25 |
| rm_you | <3 opera | 04:25 |
| GAN8001 | FireFox, Opera | 04:25 |
| GAN8001 | Something | 04:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if you install bootmenu, with the ssh, you can actually retrieve the lock code or disable the process which starts it from coming up w/out reflashing | 04:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | wget ftw | 04:26 |
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| sidnei | alright, opera worked | 04:26 |
| rm_you | opera always works :P | 04:26 |
| * rm_you <3s Opera | 04:26 | |
| GAN8001 | Lies | 04:26 |
| * rm_you said that already | 04:26 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | opera sucks under linux, they try making it look like windows >.< | 04:27 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, did you ever use Opera on the 770? | 04:27 |
| rm_you | no | 04:27 |
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| rm_you | used it on my n800 :/ | 04:27 |
| rm_you | i miss it | 04:27 |
| rm_you | used it on Zaurus CL-5500 | 04:27 |
| rm_you | also miss that | 04:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can use it in os2008 now as well through bundyo's work | 04:27 |
| rm_you | YAY! | 04:27 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: I've still got one laying around | 04:27 |
| sidnei | woo, loks like it might have worked | 04:27 |
| * rm_you looks that up | 04:27 | |
| sidnei | i see a setup screen | 04:27 |
| * GAN8001 shudders contemplating Opera on NIT. | 04:27 | |
| summatusmentis | it's not terribly usable though | 04:27 |
| rm_you | summatusmentis: battery dead> | 04:28 |
| rm_you | ? | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | nope, still runs, about 3 hours w/ wifi | 04:28 |
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| rm_you | seriously? | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | I think... I haven't turned it on in a while | 04:28 |
| rm_you | everyone i know with a CL-5500, the battery died after like two years | 04:28 |
| rm_you | even people who like NEVER used it | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | I flashed a not-entirely working 2.6 kernel, so now when ever it has juice, it's always on | 04:28 |
| rm_you | i bought a custom battery from some guy in Germany made from a cell phone battery and some solders, but it died after a while too | 04:28 |
| summatusmentis | so I let the battery run out, and it sits on my desk | 04:29 |
| rm_you | it makes a good webserver if you plug it in and shove it in a corner somewhere :P | 04:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | buy the ak-47 phone, at least you can use it as gun if battery is dead | 04:29 |
| * GAN8001 has one of those. :P | 04:30 | |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: oh, that's a really good idea... | 04:30 |
| rm_you | LOL | 04:30 |
| summatusmentis | hmm | 04:30 |
| rm_you | AK-47 phone?! >_> | 04:30 |
| GAN8001 | Well, minus the phone part. :P | 04:30 |
| summatusmentis | ugh... what is it w/ people and guns? | 04:30 |
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| summatusmentis | I don't understand why people have them to have them | 04:31 |
| * rm_you <3s guns | 04:31 | |
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| summatusmentis | :-/ | 04:31 |
| rm_you | I do trap & skeet shooting | 04:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | everyman wants a gun, the bigger the better! | 04:31 |
| GAN8001 | Guns are so much stupid fun. | 04:31 |
| summatusmentis | I'd just as soon nobody have a gun | 04:31 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:31 |
| rm_you | hey, *nobody* having a gun will never work | 04:31 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, perhaps, in a non-existent utopia | 04:31 |
| GAN8001 | But a utopia doesn't exist. :P | 04:32 |
| rm_you | *everyone* having a gun would make other people a lot more cautious when attacking people | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | Plus, they're hella fun | 04:32 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:32 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, yeah, I know... standard argument | 04:32 |
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| derf | Nobody having a gun worked great for thousands of years. | 04:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | switzerland has brilliantly low crime rates and guns are legal ther | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | You'd understand that if you'd ever put a .300 winmag through a bowling pin at 600yds. :P | 04:32 |
| derf | Unfortunately, we know how to make guns now. | 04:32 |
| rm_you | think about it... if a criminal wanted to rob someone, and he KNEW they had a gun, he'd be much less likely to do it :P | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | derf, they had swords | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | or rocks | 04:32 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: no, i don't think I would | 04:32 |
| derf | GAN8001: But not guns! | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | You would, trust me. | 04:32 |
| GAN8001 | derf, swords just mean that people with sword training impose their will on others. :P | 04:33 |
| GAN8001 | Guns are the great equalizer | 04:33 |
| GAN8001 | Anybody can use one. | 04:33 |
| sidnei | wonder if i should lock it now :) | 04:33 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: well yeah, but I feel it also makes it much, MUCH easier for accidents | 04:33 |
| rm_you | Hey, even if I didn't think guns are damn awesome (which I do, very very much), I would still want to know how to use one well, in case of emergency | 04:33 |
| sidnei | or just trying to change the password | 04:33 |
| GAN8001 | Stupid people will have accidents no matter what. | 04:33 |
| derf | Anybody can (and did) use swords. | 04:33 |
| rm_you | if EVERYONE was trained how to use a gun properly, there would be less accidents | 04:33 |
| derf | The problem was they were expensive. | 04:34 |
| GAN8001 | derf, that's not true | 04:34 |
| rm_you | the problem comes from people not understandiong how to handle them | 04:34 |
| GAN8001 | Grandma can't pick up a sword and use it like a pro. | 04:34 |
| summatusmentis | their accidents are less fatal w/out guns | 04:34 |
| GAN8001 | Grandma CAN pick up a gun | 04:34 |
| summatusmentis | my grandmother should not have a gun | 04:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Grandma would topple over holding a sword :p | 04:34 |
| summatusmentis | she loses her temper a lot, and doesn't think clearly | 04:34 |
| derf | GAN8001: Grandma was dead at 40, so it didn't really matter. | 04:34 |
| sidnei | so now qwerty12_N800, how do i access the console? should i install ssh? | 04:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, go to menu, utilities, x-term | 04:35 |
| sidnei | oh, that's easier | 04:35 |
| sidnei | and there's a hex editor in there? | 04:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope | 04:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | also | 04:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~easyroot | 04:36 |
| infobot | easyroot is, like, an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com | 04:36 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | you'll need it ;) | 04:36 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, do you have Extras access yet? :P | 04:36 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: lol still no :P | 04:37 |
| GAN8001 | Now? | 04:37 |
| * rm_you pokes X-Fade again | 04:37 | |
| * rm_you pokes X-Fade again | 04:37 | |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 04:37 |
| rm_you | nope | 04:37 |
| * rm_you pokes X-Fade again | 04:37 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, get root and run that command, connect usb and open config file on mmc in hex editor in comp | 04:37 |
| GAN8001 | He's gun hav sooo many highlights! | 04:37 |
| * rm_you pokes X-Fade again | 04:37 | |
| rm_you | I wonder how many times I have to poke him to get perma-banned from extras :P | 04:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hold a gun to X-Fade :p | 04:37 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: extra's access? to put packages there? | 04:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope, put weed there | 04:38 |
| summatusmentis | even better | 04:38 |
| summatusmentis | make sure it's good though | 04:38 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:39 |
| rm_you | need to get Advanced Backlight in there | 04:39 |
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| GAN8001 | For ultimate justice! | 04:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN8001, been annoying rm_you to follow the maemo policy? :p | 04:39 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, good plan! | 04:40 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, don't forget. https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf :P | 04:40 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: that's yours? props | 04:40 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:41 |
| rm_you | yeah, thx :P | 04:41 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, who else can you poke about the info you got from timeless? | 04:41 |
| rm_you | dunno... | 04:41 |
| rm_you | i don't really understand what's going on in what he sent me | 04:41 |
| rm_you | he converted it to javascript >_> | 04:41 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 04:41 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you sez, "i dun kno wut dis is...pweese halp me timewess!!!" | 04:42 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:42 |
| rm_you | i don't do JS or GTK | 04:42 |
| summatusmentis | what'd he send you? anything interesting? | 04:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | timeless says № | 04:42 |
| rm_you | which means translating from one to the other is hard :P | 04:42 |
| rm_you | i'll throw his emails on the wiki | 04:42 |
| rm_you | sec | 04:42 |
| rm_you | maybe people here can help ;P | 04:42 |
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| summatusmentis | atlas95: decide on a nick already! | 04:43 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 04:43 |
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| atlas95 | sorry guys :) | 04:44 |
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| atlas95 | i'm playing with account | 04:44 |
| atlas95 | i back i come later ;) | 04:44 |
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| GAN8001 | Ha | 04:44 |
| summatusmentis | just giving you s**t, no worries | 04:44 |
| summatusmentis | oh, he's gone | 04:44 |
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| summatusmentis | oh wait | 04:45 |
| GAN8001 | Jerks. :P | 04:45 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: oh, that really confused me | 04:46 |
| summatusmentis | >_> | 04:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | muhahaha | 04:46 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is certified prick :p | 04:47 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | by sondjata anyway | 04:47 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: do you always IRC on our N800? | 04:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | only at night and around 12PM (gmt) | 04:47 |
| Johnny5 | Actually, he probably does it on his own | 04:47 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 04:47 |
| summatusmentis | I see | 04:47 |
| GAN8001 | Join the club, qwerty12_N800. | 04:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hi 5! | 04:47 |
| summatusmentis | Johnny5: there was supposed to be a y in front of that | 04:48 |
| summatusmentis | Xchat is not in the feeds, is it? | 04:48 |
| * Johnny5 waves | 04:48 | |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, google it | 04:49 |
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| GAN8001 | I don't have the TextExpander shortcut on this computer. :P | 04:49 |
| GAN8001 | Or just use this: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 04:50 |
| summatusmentis | I want centralized feeds! | 04:50 |
| GAN8001 | Most things are on Downloads | 04:50 |
| summatusmentis | why don't they make everything in Downloads in extras? | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | But xchat is an outlier. | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | Lazy developers. | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | Bitch at the developers. :P | 04:51 |
| summatusmentis | no, xchat is on downloads | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | The 2007 one | 04:51 |
| * Johnny5 wonders if anyone has ever bought a Nxx0, and used it for its intended purpose (web tablet) and nothing else... | 04:51 | |
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| GAN8001 | Not the Chinook beta, though | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | Johnny5, thousands and thousands of people I'm sure. | 04:51 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 04:51 |
| GAN8001 | The people here and on itT and maemo.org definitely don't add up to ~600k units. | 04:52 |
| derf | I almost never use the web from the tablet. | 04:52 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: ok, i ran that command, but the 'config' doesn't show up? | 04:52 |
| sidnei | when mounting on osx that is | 04:52 |
| derf | And when I do, it's usually for webmail, only because the e-mail client blows chunks. | 04:52 |
| GAN8001 | derf, Modest? | 04:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, hmm, did you do it as root? | 04:52 |
| rm_you | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you | 04:52 |
| summatusmentis | Johnny5: well... what defines "Web Tablet" ? only browsing? | 04:52 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: yes | 04:52 |
| derf | I haven't tried modest yet. | 04:52 |
| derf | Is it actually out of beta? | 04:53 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: was it you who was talking about irssi-proxy? | 04:53 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah | 04:53 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: when i do an ls on /media/mmc1 and mmc2 only 'config' shows there | 04:53 |
| summatusmentis | how does that work? | 04:53 |
| sidnei | maybe its not mounted? | 04:53 |
| GAN8001 | I have one set up on my Mac Mini server to act as a front-end for all my NITs | 04:53 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, install MacPorts, install irssi | 04:53 |
| GAN8001 | Then follow the guide here: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy | 04:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, hmm, the mac should mount the mmc's :/ | 04:54 |
| Johnny5 | What defines "Web Tablet" is never installing any software beyond what is initially installed on the NIT (or what is provided via Nokia official sources, such as updates) | 04:54 |
| GAN8001 | rm_you, I don't have a clue. :D | 04:54 |
| Johnny5 | The device is just so hackable, I sometimes wonder what it would be like if it was used "stock" | 04:54 |
| summatusmentis | Johnny5: oh :) | 04:54 |
| rm_you | I figure that's like... some sort of gtk-rc thing? | 04:54 |
| rm_you | i just don't know how i would apply that | 04:55 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has hacked my n800 like shit | 04:55 | |
| summatusmentis | I'll hack my n810 when I have time... | 04:55 |
| summatusmentis | right now, I hack the kernl | 04:56 |
| summatusmentis | kernel* | 04:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | suspend to mem works for me except for watchdog :/ | 04:56 |
| derf | GAN8001: This is why I'm not using modest yet: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2290&group_id=9&atid=109 | 04:56 |
| Johnny5 | For that matter, I'm kinda curious what using the built-in rootfs is like. I read so much about the performance gains on ITT that I set up booting off MMC the day I got it. :) | 04:56 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: it mounts 'something' which has camera, tmp, map and videocenter directories | 04:56 |
| GAN8001 | Johnny5, the gains are mostly noticeable on boot | 04:57 |
| GAN8001 | There's no real difference in usage. | 04:57 |
| GAN8001 | The effect is largely just placebo. ;) | 04:57 |
| rm_you | summatusmentis: still listening to the stream i linked? :P | 04:57 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN8001: I'm not sure I understand how the irssi-proxy works. What do I do once it's configured? | 04:57 |
| summatusmentis | rm_you: nope, watching oceans 11 | 04:57 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:57 |
| Johnny5 | Makes sense | 04:57 |
| GAN8001 | Connect to the machine with the proxy just like it's an IRC server. | 04:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, that would the internal mmc. out of question, you aren't running thatcommand with the cable connected right? | 04:58 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: i am *g* | 04:58 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: so then, what's the point? | 04:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, tut tut :p | 04:58 |
| GAN8001 | So you can have many machines connected to the irc server under one nick. | 04:58 |
| GAN8001 | and disconnecting on any of those machines wont disconnect you from the network. | 04:58 |
| rm_you | Anyone who understands GTK/GDK and C and prototyping functions and wants to help me: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you look at the email i posted there | 04:58 |
| GAN8001 | Much the same as irssi+screen, but you can use xchat on the tablets, which is, to me, preferable. | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | ah, see? I should do that, if only for my NIT | 04:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, ke-recv unmounts the cards from the tablet when usb is connected | 04:59 |
| GAN8001 | If you prefer xchat to irssi | 04:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | so you config isn't getting written to the mmc itself | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | well, I kinda like irssi, but I liked the userlist in xchat | 04:59 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: makes a lot of sense | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | how do I get the pipe symbol? | 05:00 |
| * qwerty12_N800 plug: has compiled irssi from svn, weechat + bitchx | 05:00 | |
| GAN8001 | I like irssi, just not on the tablet. ;) | 05:00 |
| rm_you | its in like... the second tab of the symbols section | 05:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, with keyboard? | 05:01 |
| rm_you | brb, dinner | 05:01 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12_N800: yeah, the n810 keyboard, specifically | 05:01 |
| rm_you | after dinner, i hope someone has an idea what this stuff means: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you | 05:01 |
| derf | rm_you: What do you not understand? | 05:01 |
| rm_you | how i would apply that | 05:01 |
| derf | That all seems pretty straightforward to me. | 05:01 |
| rm_you | in C | 05:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, not sure then. maybe custom keymap is needed :/ | 05:02 |
| rm_you | I am not familiar with GTK *or* C | 05:02 |
| beford | Sulis_, there is a Chr button | 05:02 |
| beford | oops | 05:02 |
| disq | miau is a good irc proxy/bouncer. | 05:02 |
| rm_you | writing that applet was a stretch of my ability :P | 05:02 |
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| beford | summatusmentis, there is a Chr button on the kb | 05:02 |
| derf | Well, I'd suggest reading some GTK documentation. | 05:02 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 05:02 |
| derf | The "prototype" crap is just setting some initial properties. | 05:02 |
| rm_you | dunno what i'm looking for exactly tho.. | 05:02 |
| rm_you | well, i'll look after dinner | 05:02 |
| summatus_n810 | lol, you're right bedford | 05:02 |
| Sulis_ | heh, not many channels with more than one su name | 05:03 |
| summatus_n810 | there's no tab in xchat! | 05:03 |
| GAN8001 | Prefs, summatusmentis. | 05:03 |
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| summatus_n810 | GAN8001: I meant like there is that shows up whe I open xterm | 05:05 |
| summatus_n810 | a tab button, specifically | 05:05 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: sorry to bother you again, but your command just scrolled off my screen | 05:05 |
| summatus_n810 | :-/ I'm going back to irssi... it works better! | 05:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, i don't llike last bit of igor's latest post | 05:06 |
| derf | rm_you: Properties are set either in the constructor with g_object_new() or via g_object_set(). | 05:06 |
| sidnei | was it mrt2ro? | 05:06 |
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| derf | They're just name-value pairs. | 05:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, "cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config" | 05:06 |
| summatusmentis | meh,... graphical clients are overrated | 05:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | make sure > and bit after is included too | 05:07 |
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| summatusmentis | I'll stick to ssh+screen+irssi, thanks GAN8001 | 05:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, wrong mtd, it's mtd1, not mtd2 | 05:11 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: ahhhh | 05:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | soz | 05:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mtd2 must be initfs iirc then | 05:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mtd1 is config/cal partition - the 1 you want | 05:12 |
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| sidnei | well | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | mtd2 is kernel | 05:13 |
| sidnei | so i see Conf lock_code l y 12345 | 05:14 |
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| sidnei | oh, and then there's another one | 05:14 |
| sidnei | 30133 | 05:14 |
| summatusmentis | what're people's thoughts on the Moto Q? I'm considering buying one, and a data plan along w/ it, for always on internet w/ the n810 | 05:14 |
| sidnei | let me try that | 05:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, ta. would have briked my device sometime :D | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | just look at the sizes | 05:15 |
| sidnei | alright, found it | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | and you can't brick the device as long nolo is ok :) | 05:16 |
| sidnei | was the 6th or 7th occurrence of lock code | 05:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, I've got some experiments that will :/ :p | 05:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | need to get jtag 1st though | 05:16 |
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| sidnei | WHOOOOOO | 05:17 |
| sidnei | worked! | 05:17 |
| * sidnei breaks the champagne open | 05:17 | |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, WinMob? | 05:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 05:17 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: yeah | 05:17 |
| summatusmentis | WinMob 5 | 05:17 |
| summatusmentis | no touchscreen | 05:18 |
| GAN8001 | Get something small and phone-ish to pair with the NIT | 05:18 |
| sidnei | qwerty12_N800: thank you so much | 05:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sidnei, np :) | 05:18 |
| GAN8001 | Not something big and PDA-ish | 05:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, get a phone that does dun, much simpler | 05:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | winmob uses pan | 05:18 |
| summatusmentis | well, part of what I'm looking at is Sprint SERO | 05:19 |
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| summatusmentis | and as such, I can get the Moto Q for $30 :) | 05:19 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN8001: why small and phone-ish over big and PDA-ish? | 05:21 |
| GAN8001 | Because you don't want to duplicate functionality | 05:22 |
| GAN8001 | My cellphone is a phone and a modem | 05:22 |
| GAN8001 | Not a PDA | 05:22 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, that's all true | 05:22 |
| GAN8001 | That's just my personal preference, though. | 05:22 |
| * qwerty12_N800 agrees | 05:22 | |
| GAN8001 | Get whatever's cheap and need-suiting. ;) | 05:23 |
| summatusmentis | well, the Q is cheap :) | 05:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | my p1 is closest to n800 but it uses opera and no flash so f00k dat :p | 05:23 |
| summatusmentis | p1? what is that? | 05:24 |
| Navi | I want an E71 without the expense | 05:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | summatusmentis, sony ericsson phone, don't think you get it in us | 05:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | symbian uiq based | 05:24 |
| summatusmentis | oh, ok. I was just curious | 05:24 |
| summatusmentis | we dont' get any good phones in the US | 05:25 |
| GAN8001 | I like my A717 | 05:25 |
| * qwerty12_N800 loves europe. home of bog standard gsm | 05:25 | |
| summatusmentis | I've got a razr now, it's ok | 05:25 |
| Navi | RUN | 05:26 |
| summatusmentis | that's what the us needs is decent gsm | 05:26 |
| Navi | It's a RAZR | 05:26 |
| Navi | HIde | 05:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aww, Navi's scared of getting shanked :p | 05:26 |
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| summatusmentis | geez qwerty12_N800 :) | 05:27 |
| GAN8001 | With qwerty12_N800 around, I am, too. | 05:27 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, for real | 05:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, london = shanking capital of the world | 05:27 |
| summatusmentis | what's the res on the n810 cam? | 05:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bs | 05:28 |
| GAN8001 | 640*480 | 05:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | res = bs that is | 05:28 |
| GAN8001 | Resolution is sorta meaningless, though | 05:28 |
| GAN8001 | It's noisy as hell | 05:28 |
| GAN8001 | with terrible sensitivity. | 05:28 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, I was playing w/ it earlier... doesn't look that great | 05:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with terrible quality | 05:28 |
| summatusmentis | so a phone w/ a decent cam might be worth it | 05:29 |
| GAN8001 | N-series! | 05:29 |
| summatusmentis | on cdma? | 05:29 |
| summatusmentis | gsm coverage doesn't work where I need it to | 05:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sigh, dodgy americans and their 850 band :p | 05:30 |
| summatusmentis | agreed | 05:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Check out the samsung 10mp cdma phone*. *korea only :p | 05:31 |
| summatusmentis | lol | 05:31 |
| summatusmentis | dont' live in korea :) | 05:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | samsung make dodgy phones in korea, jcb phone, tablet pc phone.... | 05:32 |
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| sidnei | alright, so how do i get some application repositories in here | 05:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gronmayer | 05:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's 3 am, quiet here & i'm bored : http://tinyurl.com/5j3w45 | 05:39 |
| GAN8001 | sidnei, you really only need one | 05:39 |
| GAN8001 | and that's Extras | 05:39 |
| sidnei | good! | 05:39 |
| sidnei | how do i enable that again? | 05:40 |
| GAN8001 | and maybe the one from nitapps.com | 05:40 |
| GAN8001 | Application manager | 05:40 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: extras doesn't have gnumeric in it :) | 05:41 |
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| GAN8001 | toss in Extras-devel, then. | 05:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | extras wont wipe me down | 05:41 |
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| sidnei | good, i figured out how to enable extras without asking | 05:42 |
| summatusmentis | what about maemo hackers? | 05:42 |
| GAN8001 | !!!!! | 05:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hell no | 05:42 |
| GAN8001 | Hackers is in Extras mostly, now | 05:42 |
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| GAN8001 | Veeeery good | 05:43 |
| rm_you | BBL, watching "IT Crowd" for the 8 billionth time :P | 05:43 |
| * GAN8001 gives rm_you a treat. | 05:43 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | a glock? | 05:43 |
| rm_you | :P | 05:43 |
| GAN8001 | Glocks suck ass | 05:43 |
| sidnei | alright, shower time | 05:44 |
| sidnei | bbiab | 05:44 |
| rm_you | If I get a pistol, I want a beretta | 05:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in soviet russia glocks ass sucks you | 05:44 |
| rm_you | BBL | 05:44 |
| GAN8001 | Berette?!? | 05:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or summat like that | 05:44 |
| GAN8001 | Good god man. . . . | 05:44 |
| GAN8001 | SIG is the way to go. | 05:44 |
| rm_you | I can't help it... the beretta design just calls out to me | 05:45 |
| GAN8001 | Or just get a 1911. | 05:45 |
| rm_you | they're so pretty <_< | 05:45 |
| sidnei | just tell me where's extras devel, i cant find that | 05:45 |
| GAN8001 | Ugh . .. but BERETTA?! | 05:45 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 05:45 |
| rm_you | BBL (for real this time( | 05:45 |
| GAN8001 | Beretta is the worst ever. | 05:45 |
| rm_you | s/(e/e)/ | 05:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | extra-devel is on-the internetz | 05:45 |
| GAN8001 | sidnei, it's on the top in gronmayer | 05:45 |
| rm_you | pft | 05:46 |
| rm_you | BBL (for real this time!) | 05:46 |
| GAN8001 | WORST EVER | 05:46 |
| GAN8001 | Worse than a Glock | 05:46 |
| sidnei | alright, as if i knew what gronmayer was | 05:46 |
| sidnei | now i know :) | 05:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's in #maemo topic :p | 05:46 |
| summatusmentis | is abiword available? | 05:47 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, still in beta | 05:47 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody may have stuck a binary somewhere | 05:47 |
| summatusmentis | I thought i saw something on ITT, oh ok | 05:47 |
| GAN8001 | It's looking good | 05:47 |
| GAN8001 | but not quite ready. | 05:47 |
| summatusmentis | fair enough. | 05:47 |
| summatusmentis | what about browser-extras? is that worth adding? | 05:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | just for greasemonkey only imho | 05:50 |
| GAN8001 | Somebody should poke them to push that shit to extras. | 05:50 |
| summatusmentis | is there adblock? | 05:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not worth installing | 05:51 |
| GAN8001 | Don't bother | 05:51 |
| GAN8001 | Slow as shit | 05:51 |
| GAN8001 | Hosts/CSS | 05:51 |
| summatusmentis | :-/ lame | 05:51 |
| GAN8001 | Hosts/CSS works fine | 05:51 |
| GAN8001 | and no performance impact. | 05:51 |
| summatusmentis | what's the google calendar script thing? | 05:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | actually, regarding hosts, under diablo, little bug, /etc/hostsname doesn't exist like it does in chinook | 05:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *hostname | 05:54 |
| GAN8001 | It's /etc/hosts anyway | 05:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nah, there is /etc/hostname for the loccal hostname of the it | 05:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /etc/hosts maps hosts iirc | 05:55 |
| GAN8001 | For ad blocking it's /etc/hosts. ;) | 05:56 |
| GAN8001 | /etc/hostname isn't relevant for that | 05:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i wasn't talking about ad blocking ;) | 05:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i said re hosts | 05:57 |
| * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. | 05:57 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ow. | 05:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm in pain | 05:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 05:58 |
| * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. | 05:58 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Please stop, the pain is unbearable. | 05:58 |
| * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick. | 05:59 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'm in agony here | 05:59 |
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| GAN8001 | No help for qwerty12_N800! | 05:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | goodbye world. looks like the stick did it :p | 06:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it did what no glock could. remove this g off the earth. | 06:01 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 06:02 |
| GAN8001 | YOU ARE NOT A GANGSTER! | 06:02 |
| GAN8001 | Gangsters don't hack Linux handhelds. :P | 06:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmao true | 06:02 |
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| GAN8001 | I wish HAVA would allow more than one remote connection. | 06:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i think it's legal requirement iirc :( | 06:05 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, I know | 06:05 |
| GAN8001 | But I wish | 06:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Time to get out the disassembler (and a ssh running on the box) :p | 06:06 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 06:06 |
| GAN8001 | I could manage something with a VLC forwarder | 06:06 |
| summatusmentis | does gpe-calendar not have a .desktop file? | 06:07 |
| summatusmentis | oh wait, there it is | 06:07 |
| * qwerty12_N800 plans on looking into garnet when they ditch us/. unlike the rest off the linux oss community, i don't have morals | 06:08 | |
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| GAN8001 | I'm 90% certain both the requests here have already been filed, anybody remember the bug numbers? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3206 | 06:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Were they fixed officialy? | 06:22 |
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| GAN8001 | No | 06:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | search for rotation and echowb on bugzilla i'd guess then | 06:23 |
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| GAN8001 | Well, 3106 is one | 06:25 |
| GAN8001 | I guess I'll just call it a duplicate of #100. | 06:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | night. must sleep and get at least 4h :/ | 06:27 |
| summatusmentis | I should sleep too | 06:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bollox. you realise it's not worth trying when the night has turned to light >.< | 06:34 |
| GAN8001 | Haha | 06:36 |
| GAN8001 | FAIL! | 06:36 |
| GAN8001 | Early sunrise | 06:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, gonna hate myself for it later on today :/ | 06:37 |
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| GAN8001 | You just gotta power through, qwerty12_N800. | 06:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 06:43 |
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| GAN8001 | It's hard getting through the bad part in the morning | 06:43 |
| GAN8001 | but once you get through, you'll have a massive second wind. :P | 06:44 |
| GAN8001 | You just can't wimp out and sleep in the morning | 06:44 |
| GAN8001 | or else your schedule will be fucked up for weeks. | 06:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I always get up in the morning, never been one to stay in bed for ages :) | 06:45 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you is determined :p | 07:12 |
| GAN800 | He's probably drunk and asleep. | 07:12 |
| Navi | Woo | 07:13 |
| Navi | good combination | 07:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:13 |
| GAN800 | Like Navi wishes he were. | 07:13 |
| rm_you | too much drinking in the last few days | 07:13 |
| rm_you | i've stopped for a bit :P | 07:14 |
| rm_you | and i only woke up at 6PM | 07:14 |
| rm_you | sooooo, no | 07:14 |
| GAN800 | Drinking kills me. | 07:14 |
| Navi | I wish I were in GAN800's bed | 07:14 |
| rm_you | <_< | 07:14 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, I have a nicr serta. : | 07:14 |
| Navi | I don't keep my alcohol down well | 07:14 |
| GAN800 | Lightweight | 07:15 |
| GAN800 | neither do I | 07:15 |
| rm_you | heh | 07:15 |
| rm_you | I wonder if me and GAN would get along IRL if we hung out :P | 07:15 |
| Navi | GAN800, you can have the HAVA | 07:15 |
| GAN800 | We should have a tablet meetingzin Texas. | 07:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:16 |
| rm_you | you're in florida, no? | 07:16 |
| Navi | Ew | 07:16 |
| Navi | Texas | 07:16 |
| rm_you | well, yeah i know like 4 people in TX that have em | 07:16 |
| Navi | I only know two | 07:16 |
| GAN800 | Navi's a self-hating Texan? | 07:17 |
| Navi | rm_you and Mara | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | and Texrat | 07:17 |
| rm_you | Navi: you in TX? | 07:17 |
| Navi | I don't know Texrat | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, Florida | 07:17 |
| rm_you | ooo texrat in texas? makes sense :P | 07:17 |
| Navi | I live in Florida | 07:17 |
| Navi | under GAN800's bed | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | We'd probably have a, like, for-real fight if we hung out IRL rm_you. | 07:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:17 |
| rm_you | heh | 07:17 |
| GAN800 | :P | 07:17 |
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| Navi | GAN800's confrentational | 07:18 |
| GAN800 | Navi's the boogieman | 07:18 |
| Navi | s/fren/fron | 07:18 |
| Navi | I'm a boogieit | 07:18 |
| Navi | I have no gender | 07:18 |
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| GAN800 | Gross fairy | 07:20 |
| Navi | Indeed | 07:20 |
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| GAN800 | Poor X-Fade | 07:51 |
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| Navi | X-Love | 07:56 |
| lopz | night | 07:57 |
| RST38h | GAN | 07:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: Have you slept? =) | 07:57 |
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| GAN800 | Not yet, RST38h | 08:08 |
| GAN800 | 0107 | 08:08 |
| Navi | yeah, WAY too early to sleep | 08:11 |
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| ralann | sleep is forthe weak | 08:13 |
| RST38h | heh | 08:15 |
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| beford | :/ | 08:26 |
| beford | my n810 halted down while idle (and plugged to the charger) and it did not mount mmc1 neither mmc2 | 08:29 |
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| beford | it works again :] | 08:33 |
| beford | wow. cool, did not know that maemo's file manager allowed me to see windows shares | 08:35 |
| RST38h | btw, in a deb file name projectX.Y.Z_wordNNN.deb what do "word" and "NNN" mean? | 08:52 |
| beford | platform? as in x86/amd64,arm | 08:53 |
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| RST38h | well, osso debs seem to have these parts of the name random | 08:58 |
| RST38h | some of them say osso others say something else | 08:58 |
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| beford | like what RST38h? | 09:10 |
| RST38h | like "bdfg" | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | it comes from debian i think | 09:15 |
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| sibbe | dfsg perhaps? (debian free software guideline) | 09:16 |
| kulve | packagename_version_arch.deb | 09:23 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, did you see the packaging guide draft? | 09:26 |
| RST38h | GAN: Nope | 09:30 |
| RST38h | sibbe: correct | 09:30 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ah, I see what it was intended to mean | 09:32 |
| RST38h | the document does suggest using "maemo" rather than "osso", but I guess "osso" is used for historical reasons/ | 09:33 |
| RST38h | , | 09:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:39 |
| Navi | Afternoon | 09:39 |
| Navi | What? | 09:39 |
| Navi | I'm not thinking straight | 09:40 |
| Navi | It's 1:40AM >_> | 09:40 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 09:42 |
| GAN8001 | Go to bed, Navi. | 09:42 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah - GAN8001 isn't that interesting ;-) | 09:43 |
| Navi | Night | 09:43 |
| rm_you | hehe | 09:43 |
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| rm_you | sup Jaffa :) | 09:43 |
| rm_you | hey, what have you been working on recently? | 09:44 |
| rm_you | mediaserv has been pretty much done for a while, right? | 09:44 |
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| Jaffa | rm_you: got a few things on the TODO, but I've not got any itches to scratch with it at the moment; and very little time. | 09:47 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 09:47 |
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| GAN800 | lol | 10:28 |
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| Proteous | soooo muchhh poking | 11:05 |
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| rm_you | indeed | 11:11 |
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| rm_you | i want an extras account :P | 11:11 |
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| RST38h | rm you | 11:14 |
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| rm_you | RST38h | 11:17 |
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| GAN8001 | Woo | 11:36 |
| rm_you | >_> | 11:36 |
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| GAN8001 | Pool pump's clean at 4 in the morning | 11:36 |
| rm_you | GAN8001: have you gone to sleep ever since i did? | 11:36 |
| GAN8001 | Now I wont have to wake up at 9 tomorrow to do it before the showing! | 11:37 |
| rm_you | selling the house? | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | Showing? | 11:37 |
| GAN8001 | I haven't been to sleep in . . . 19 hours | 11:37 |
| GAN8001 | Yeah, selling the house. | 11:37 |
| GAN8001 | Some people are coming to look at 11 | 11:37 |
| GAN8001 | Pool wont be green now. :D | 11:38 |
| rm_you | i know some people who didn't like their house, so they wanted to sell it | 11:38 |
| rm_you | and their real estate agent (my dad) made them clean it for the showing | 11:38 |
| rm_you | and then they decided they didn't want to sell it, because it looked so nice when it was clean that they didn't recognize it | 11:39 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 11:39 |
| GAN8001 | Weird | 11:39 |
| rm_you | apparently it hadn | 11:39 |
| rm_you | hadn't been *clean* in YEARS | 11:39 |
| GAN8001 | Horrifying | 11:39 |
| ralann | lol | 11:39 |
| ralann | that's sad | 11:39 |
| rm_you | http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls | 11:40 |
| rm_you | nice ian van dahl remix | 11:40 |
| GAN8001 | Ugh, Quim's blog posts are always such mindgames. | 11:40 |
| rm_you | lol? | 11:40 |
| ralann | ya, actually i did | 11:42 |
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| GAN8001 | Partly language barrier and partly my own stupidity. :P | 11:44 |
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| Jaffa | GAN8001: in particular? | 11:55 |
| GAN800 | In particular the most recent one, and mostly just because I'm tired. 'mindgames' is the wrong term (as it implies active ambiguation). I should say cerebral/philosophical/academic for my tastes. | 11:59 |
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| Jaffa | I think I know what you mean. | 12:01 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Are you using "mindgames" as an euphemism for "demagogery"? =) | 12:25 |
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| qwerty12 | That is some serious amount of poking | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | if that was me, I'd pack it in and pull out the glock :p | 13:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:28 |
| rm_you | been poking him for like 8 hours | 13:28 |
| rm_you | eventually maybe he'll respond :P | 13:28 |
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| johnx | hey, rm_you :D | 14:10 |
| rm_you | hey johnx :P | 14:11 |
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| rm_you | back on my summer schedule of 9am-6pm sleep ;P | 14:12 |
| johnx | does that mean I'll see more or less of you? O_o | 14:13 |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:14 |
| rm_you | dunno :P when are you generally here? :P | 14:14 |
| johnx | well, when I'm on night shift I tend to sleep 8AM to 4PM :/ | 14:15 |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:15 |
| rm_you | >_> | 14:15 |
| johnx | heh | 14:15 |
| johnx | still I'm on different schedules, different days :) | 14:15 |
| rm_you | well... for the record, i will prolly be going to sleep in... 5 hours | 14:15 |
| rm_you | ish | 14:15 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: hmm, the trick with Xomap might be that it uses an older version of OMAPFB_UPDATE_WINDOW ioctl | 14:34 |
| AStorm | thus I'd either need a rebuild of it (do we have a source?) or to write a compat ioctl. | 14:35 |
| johnx | AStorm, there is source | 14:35 |
| AStorm | yay, gimme! | 14:36 |
| AStorm | then I'll build it vs 2.6.25 headers and rock | 14:36 |
| AStorm | or 2.6.26 headers for that matter | 14:36 |
| johnx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/x/xorg-server/ | 14:37 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:37 |
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| AStorm | how to add these to scratchbox? | 14:37 |
| johnx | pull those two files down and run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 14:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | or just apt-get source xorg-server | 14:40 |
| AStorm | hmm, and it won't cry about deps? | 14:40 |
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| AStorm | ah, that will work, right | 14:41 |
| * AStorm will install^Wuse that scratchbox finally | 14:41 | |
| AStorm | ok, the next q: how then I package it into a deb? | 14:42 |
| johnx | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 14:42 |
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| AStorm | mhm | 14:49 |
| AStorm | what if I want to make a package out of linux-headers? | 14:49 |
| AStorm | (you know, make install-headers or some other debian-preferred way) | 14:49 |
| johnx | any time you apt-get source you can use dpkg-buildpackage I think | 14:50 |
| AStorm | yes, but it won't be apt-get source :| | 14:50 |
| AStorm | I think there are no linux-headers of 2.6.25-omap or newer in debian tree ;P | 14:51 |
| AStorm | no, there are some | 14:51 |
| AStorm | in sid | 14:51 |
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| secureendpoints | is there anyone here who knows the internals of HildonFM particularly well? | 15:13 |
| AStorm | why do you need someone like that? | 15:13 |
| secureendpoints | because I am one of the gatekeepers of OpenAFS and we ported OpenAFS to the N810 but there are several behaviors of HildonFM that are less than desirable for us. In particular, HildonFM walks directory trees to determine how many nodes are under each visible folder. We do not see the same behavior for SMB or UPnP mounts. I'm wondering if SMB and UPnP are special cased or if there is some... | 15:16 |
| secureendpoints | ...method of configuration that we can apply to alter the HildonFM behaviors for AFS as well. | 15:16 |
| AStorm | no, SMB and UPnP are handled by gnome-vfs | 15:17 |
| AStorm | and I guess OpenAFS looks like a filesystem? | 15:17 |
| secureendpoints | OpenAFS is mounted as /afs on all systems on which it is installed. It has its own Linux kernel module. | 15:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the source (for at least libhildonfm) can be found on the maemo stage | 15:18 |
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| AStorm | yes | 15:19 |
| AStorm | the source is available | 15:19 |
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| sxw | Yes - I've been looking at that source. | 15:20 |
| sxw | Both SMB and UPNP appear to be special cased in hildon-fm. | 15:20 |
| AStorm | they go through gnome-vfs, right? | 15:22 |
| AStorm | or is that just an mtab check? | 15:22 |
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| sxw | They do go through gnome-vfs in terms of actually doing the donkey work of accessing files. But the filemanager has some code which appears to specifically handle those file system types. See hildon-file-system-smb.c and hildon-file-system-upnp.c which define specific file system classes | 15:23 |
| AStorm | duuur | 15:24 |
| AStorm | evil | 15:24 |
| AStorm | can't they just use gnome-vfs as usual? ;P | 15:24 |
| RST38h | sxw: Wrong | 15:26 |
| RST38h | sxw: I am getting bt://.... stuff from file manager when opening files of my mime type | 15:26 |
| sxw | Sorry, I don't follow you. | 15:27 |
| RST38h | sxw: When you click on a file in file manager and it starts application registered to handle file's mime type | 15:27 |
| sxw | It's not file behaviour that I'm interested in, but file system behaviour. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | sxw: If this file is located somewhere else, not in the local file system, file manager will not copy it locally | 15:28 |
| RST38h | It will just pass you the url | 15:28 |
| secureendpoints | our problem is that /afs appears to be mime type file: | 15:28 |
| sxw | Indeed, and the application uses the gnome-vfs API to access that file. | 15:28 |
| sxw | But, when it's handling directories, the behaviour appears to be determined by the hildon-fm API. In particular, unless its told otherwise, this API will open all of the child directories of an object when it's displaying that object. | 15:29 |
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| sxw | When you're accessing a directory containing several hundred objects, each of which may contain several hundred sub directories, and all of these are distributed across many hundreds of file servers distributed world wide, this behaviour is a little sub-optimal. | 15:30 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lmao | 15:38 |
| RST38h | sxw: Oh you mean THAT | 15:38 |
| * qwerty12_N800 feels sorry for rm_you | 15:38 | |
| rm_you | lol | 15:38 |
| RST38h | sxw: Yes, the @#&^%^%ing hildon fm dialog will descdend 1 level down | 15:39 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:39 |
| * rm_you will continue to poke X-Fade for days if he has to | 15:39 | |
| RST38h | sxw: Scan all the files. And just to make space for them, it will memmap 100+MB from the system | 15:39 |
| RST38h | sxw: This you can easily see by running top | 15:39 |
| sxw | Yup. It looks like you can disable that by having a location class within hildon-fm which has request_access set to TRUE | 15:39 |
| sxw | (for the location you'd like it to play nicely with) | 15:40 |
| AStorm | we need a real file manager other than mc | 15:40 |
| AStorm | maybe a variant of Thunar? | 15:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | emelfm2 is nice | 15:40 |
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| sxw | It's not just the file manager though - it's any application which has an 'Open' or 'Save' dialog. | 15:41 |
| * qwerty12_N800 has a port of pcmanfm somewhere that i didn't release | 15:41 | |
| AStorm | sxw: can't that be hacked away? ;P | 15:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | steal the open diablo from fbreader | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/diablo/dialog/ | 15:41 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: steal the open dialog from fbreader | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh | 15:42 |
| AStorm | infobot meant: infobot should stfu | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fbreader's got the best i've seen on a tablet, very fast | 15:42 |
| RST38h | sxw: it is common behaviour for this dialog box | 15:42 |
| RST38h | No gentlemen, no hacking. The hildon fm dialog has to be FIXED | 15:42 |
| AStorm | exactly | 15:43 |
| RST38h | (and whatever intern coded it this way has to be shot) | 15:43 |
| AStorm | ~lart Nokia intern | 15:43 |
| * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P Nokia intern' action | 15:43 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | compile your own version ;) and submit it | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/ | 15:45 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If I knew that my changes would go into official release I would | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, it is useless | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | True :/ | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Can't you distrobute a separate version for developers to use? My faith isn't so high in nokia for bug fixing. | 15:47 |
| RST38h | They do try to optiimize children loaidng | 15:47 |
| RST38h | There is a comment "do not scan if expensive" | 15:47 |
| sxw | Yes. That's the request_access flag I was talking about. | 15:47 |
| sxw | It's set by the location class. | 15:47 |
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| sxw | The question I'm currently trying to work out is whether I can dynamically load additional location classes | 15:48 |
| AStorm | ok, what was I supposed to disable again to run scratchbox? (some proc) | 15:49 |
| AStorm | (related to stack randomization) | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vdso? and lowering mmap value (for ubuntu at least) | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Look at hildon_file_system_special_location_requires_access | 15:50 |
| RST38h | In https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/2.9-1/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-special-location.c | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | only things i can think of :/ | 15:50 |
| RST38h | This function should return true for large directories | 15:50 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yes, vdso | 15:50 |
| sxw | Yes. But in order to make it return true, you either need to alter the shipping code (rather not), or find some way of dynamically loading a special location class into Hildon FM (which is what I'd rather do, if its possible) | 15:51 |
| AStorm | is there some newer scratchbox install script? | 15:52 |
| GAN800 | No, RST38h. | 15:53 |
| RST38h | No? | 15:54 |
| * RST38h votes for altering shipped code | 15:54 | |
| GAN800 | Not the term I was looking for. ;) | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Ah, that one... | 15:55 |
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| * Anunakin Working on mouse emulation... | 16:05 | |
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| lopz | hi | 16:39 |
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| GAN800 | Persistent bugger. :P | 16:46 |
| rm_you | lol | 16:48 |
| rm_you | gonna do it until he responds :P | 16:48 |
| rm_you | might go on a sleep strike | 16:48 |
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| GAN800 | I want to know how many highlights he has when he gets back. : | 16:48 |
| GAN800 | 'course, he may see the number and just not COME back. :P | 16:49 |
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| summatusmentis | I'm expecting to not see rm_you again after he XFade comes back | 17:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:05 |
| summatusmentis | -he | 17:05 |
| GAN800 | Highlight and run | 17:06 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 17:06 |
| rm_you | lol X-Fade X-Fade X-Fade | 17:09 |
| rm_you | GAN800: why am I poking him again? :P | 17:10 |
| RST38h | rm: it is weekend so you will probably have to do it for another 30-40 hours | 17:11 |
| rm_you | >_< | 17:12 |
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| GAN800 | Not so much that, but LinuxTag. :P | 17:15 |
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| rm_you | whatever... i'll just try on Monday then | 17:17 |
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| drwx | hi | 17:20 |
| drwx | I'm doing a sdl based program on my N810, and I want to draw some text but sdl_ttf is not in maemo. How can I do? | 17:21 |
| drwx | I dont understand how canola and others can draw text | 17:22 |
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| GAN800 | Canola is efl, drwx | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | You want to talk to lcuk for fast text rendering. | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | He's at LinuxTag until Sunday or Monday, though. | 17:28 |
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| drwx | where it is? | 17:30 |
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| GAN800 | Where what is? | 17:32 |
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| drwx | LinuxTag | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | Germany | 17:33 |
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| summatusmentis | what happens if I'm getting post install errors from a deb? is there a way I can remove everything it installs manually, and then reinstalling? | 17:36 |
| GAN800 | Which deb? | 17:36 |
| summatusmentis | openafs | 17:36 |
| summatusmentis | I'm already talking to the dev | 17:37 |
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| summatusmentis | dang it! penguinbait isn't here. KOffice can save to .doc! | 17:47 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: do you know if there's any way to run kde programs without needing to 'boot' kde ? | 17:48 |
| summatusmentis | like, put them in the native maemo meu? | 17:48 |
| GAN800 | Debian chroot? | 17:49 |
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| summatusmentis | are you suggesting it, or asking if I'm running one | 17:50 |
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| GAN800 | Suggesting | 17:52 |
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| GAN800 | As my experience is limited with KDE (not at all suited to the tablets imo) | 17:53 |
| summatusmentis | mmm... I'm still playing with it, but fi I can run some KDE apps without needing the whole thing, that would rock | 17:54 |
| * qwerty12 doesn't like KDE. cpu usage would blow a massive hole in the N800's ass and watchdog would come in and reboot the n800 >.< | 17:55 | |
| * qwerty12 prefers GNOME | 17:55 | |
| unixSnob | question on the n800 internal flash.. not the internal SD card, but the non-volatile memory that hosts maemo normally: is it NOR, or NAND? What file system is used? | 17:56 |
| summatusmentis | I wonder if that's what just happened, my n810 just rebooted | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | unixSnob, Filesystem is jffs2 | 17:56 |
| qwerty12 | Also I'm sure it's nand | 17:56 |
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| unixSnob | thanks qwerty12 | 17:57 |
| unixSnob | So does the hardware internally have wear leveling? | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | No idea about the hardware itself, sorry. You should ask at maemo-developers, hopefully Igor will respond :/ | 17:57 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/05/so-close-to-complete.html | 17:58 |
| unixSnob | I'm wondering if wear leveling is both performed at a low level in the hardware, and also by jffs2, what's the result? | 17:58 |
| unixSnob | k | 17:58 |
| GAN800 | jffs2 does wear leveling. | 17:58 |
| GAN800 | That the whole point of jffs2 | 17:58 |
| unixSnob | right.. but what if it happens internally as well? | 17:59 |
| disq | and compression :) | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | "I present OpenOffice running natively on a Nokia Internet Tablet :-)" - Is it really native when you have to use a Debian port? | 17:59 |
| GAN800 | It doesn't | 17:59 |
| unixSnob | it's a duplication, and the two algorithms can undo each other | 17:59 |
| GAN800 | otherwise it wouldn't need jffs2 | 17:59 |
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| unixSnob | ok | 17:59 |
| GAN800 | Give Nokia some credit. . . . | 17:59 |
| GAN800 | If that were happening, somebody's flash would be burnt. | 18:00 |
| unixSnob | I've heard that all recent flash hardware does wear leveling | 18:00 |
| unixSnob | So does this mean Nokia managed to get some old h/w | 18:00 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, it's running armel, so yes. :P | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | heh :) | 18:01 |
| GAN800 | No, mtd devices like the nand in the NITs just do it in software | 18:01 |
| GAN800 | Recent would mean SD cards, etc. | 18:01 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: so does that mean I need to have the debian chroot setup? Or can that be installed directly in maemo? | 18:02 |
| unixSnob | GAN800 - well the flash will burn out eventually, even with wear leveling. So I'm wonder if that's a motivating factor for folks who are moving their OS to removable media | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | "/* Rotate the lists by some number to ensure wear levelling */ | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | jffs2_rotate_lists(c);" | 18:02 |
| GAN800 | Not with newer flash longevity. | 18:02 |
| GAN800 | It's about space, speed, and convenience. | 18:03 |
| GAN800 | summa | 18:03 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, you'd need the chroot. | 18:03 |
| * unixSnob is considering booting SD media on a desktop machine | 18:05 | |
| unixSnob | I have no idea if my cheap kensington SD card offers wear leveling. I was thinking about putting jffs2 on it just to be safe.. but I could end up having two wear leveling algorithms running | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | jffs2 on a SD is odd | 18:05 |
| GAN800 | and stupid | 18:05 |
| GAN800 | All modern SDs that I've ever seen have leveling. | 18:05 |
| GAN800 | jffs2 would take a while to load 2-16gb into memory | 18:06 |
| GAN800 | It takes long enough for 256mb <_< | 18:06 |
| summatusmentis | does anyone know if there's a way to uninstall kde? | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Did you use the non sd boot method? | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | unixSnob, I don't buy the 'two algorithms' argument, either. | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | summatusmentis, nuke it from orbit. | 18:07 |
| * qwerty12 has ultimate recipe for cvs disaster >.< | 18:08 | |
| GAN800 | CVS is a drugstore here. | 18:08 |
| GAN800 | unplug all the refrigerators? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, no, I'm gonna check out the source by hand, using the web interface. But here's the best bit, it's stored on the web.archive.org >.< | 18:09 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I transferred everything to sd, and installed natively | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | I'd just reformat the SD ext2 partition then and clone again :/ | 18:10 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: I have heard that you're not supposed to put jffs2 on an SD, for that reason | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12 | The tools to manipulate jffs2 stuff comes in mtd-utils. | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | I think mtd gives it away. | 18:11 |
| summatusmentis | booting from flash | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | Still though, if I can get this cvs to compile, I know we are gonna have one hell of a game ;)... | 18:12 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I like the reformat thing. It'll fix my openafs problem too :) | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | In all honesty, KDE installs too much to ensure a "clean" removal | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | I used the old method and it had nuked my /usr/share/local | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | what was the old method? | 18:14 |
| summatusmentis | also, where is the internal sd(on n810) mounted? | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Where it places kde.img and local.img in the root of your FAT formatted partition | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | /media/mmc2 | 18:15 |
| summatusmentis | is it /dev/mmcblk1 ? | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | That's not a mount point | 18:15 |
| summatusmentis | no, I know, I need the /dev file to reformat though | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | mmcblk1 is external cards iirc | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | run df -h | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | and it will tell you mount point and /dev entry | 18:16 |
| unixSnob | summatusmentis: you're not supposed to put jffs2 on SD for what reason? Efficiency, or because two wear leveling algorithms reduce the wear protection? | 18:16 |
| summatusmentis | I don't see anything relating to soething over 256M | 18:16 |
| summatusmentis | unixSnob: because of the two algorithms | 18:16 |
| summatusmentis | i don't know where i heard that, or how true it is, but I have also heard it | 18:17 |
| unixSnob | okay thanks.. I was just guessing that the two algorithms would interfere.. but was unsure | 18:17 |
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| unixSnob | Most of my SD cards were purchased years ago in rebate clearance kind of deals, so if there exists SD cards w/out wear leveling, I probably have them. | 18:18 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: would a complete reflash fix all of this? it should restore to factory settins right? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, yes except that your internal 2gb will still be the same | 18:19 |
| summatusmentis | there's no nokia way to repair that | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | no | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Remember that nokia don't really expect this to happen :p | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Just run sfdisk and reset the partition table back to normal | 18:20 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what is the flash /dev file? or is it not accessible? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | You really don't want to touch that one. You also have no reason to touch it. | 18:23 |
| summatusmentis | I just want to make sure I don't destry the internal flash by reformatting it | 18:23 |
| summatusmentis | destroy* | 18:23 |
| RST38h | reformatting does not destroy flash | 18:23 |
| summatusmentis | ok, not destroy, but make my machine un-bootable | 18:24 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: maybe I'm missing something here, mmcblk0 should be my internal 2GB. How do I delete the partitions? | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | sfdisk | 18:32 |
| summatusmentis | just sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | Something like that, I haven't used it in ages | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | it may be easier to search for it on itt | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | sfdisk is a command-line tool | 18:33 |
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| mgedmin | cfdisk is a nice and friendly interactive ncurses-based terminal app that I usually use | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | but I don't know if it's available for maemo | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | it isn't so everyone uses sfdisk | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | I repartitioned mine over usb | 18:34 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: are there normally 3 partitions? | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | No | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | summatusmentis: what exactly are you trying to do? | 18:35 |
| summatusmentis | mgedmin: I cloned rootfs, and installed kde | 18:36 |
| summatusmentis | I want to get rid of everything on my internal sd, and re-close rootfs, without kde | 18:36 |
| summatusmentis | or potentially install a chroot there, I'm not sure yet, but basically return internal sd to factory settings | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | to return it to factory settings, you can reformat it from the file manager | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | no, I'm lying | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | the factory settings may have an incorrect partition size, which the file manager will fix (yay) | 18:37 |
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| mgedmin | and the factory condition included gps maps for your country on the internal flash | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | which you won't see after reformatting | 18:38 |
| summatusmentis | I don't care about that, I deleted "Map" anyway | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | but you'll get a single 2GB FAT partition which is pretty close to the factory settings | 18:38 |
| summatusmentis | I had no idea there was a GUI way of doing it | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | file manager, select the internal memory card on the list on the left, then menu, tools, format memory card | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | it's a bit hidden that way | 18:39 |
| summatusmentis | that makes life easy, thanks! | 18:39 |
| nano- | My N810 doesn't boot. First it was stuck in a reboot loop, then I tried reflashing it and then it failed writing the rootfs and now it doesn't boot at all, except when i plug in the power cable. | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 18:39 |
| summatusmentis | mgedmin: if I were of age, I'd buy you a beer | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | heh | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | I don't drink beer ;-) | 18:40 |
| nano- | is there any nice hardware flash-mode that the device can be put in with a keycombination? | 18:40 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: can you pm me the commands I need to reflash NOLO and initfs? | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | nano-: can you try reflashing again? | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | I don't think the rootfs is needed for flashing | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, only initfs flash is needed | 18:41 |
| nano- | mgedmin: doesn't that require the device be found by the computer? | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | nano-: how do you mean? | 18:41 |
| nano- | mgedmin: dmesg says nothing any longer. | 18:41 |
| GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo -R | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | the proper procedure is | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (1) make sure the battery is fully charged | 18:41 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: ok, I need to update NOLO and initfs | 18:41 |
| nano- | mgedmin: about any usb device.. | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (2) start the flasher on the desktop -- it will say it doesn't see a usb device | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (3) turn off the tablet and unplug it | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | (it doesn't turn off while the charger is plugged) | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | (4) connect the usb cable | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Ah, disregard what I said then :) | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | (5) power it on | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | (I thought you were removing bootmenu) | 18:42 |
| nano- | mgedmin: yes, that doesn't work. | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | also, (0) make sure you've got the right image | 18:42 |
| nano- | mgedmin: still waiting.. | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | and the right flasher | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | which is flasher-3.0, I think | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | if your device is a n8x0 | 18:42 |
| nano- | mgedmin: the device boots up to show the text "NOKIA", blue on white background, then shuts down. | 18:42 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I updated some things, when I couldn't access the right image, now I need to update the rest | 18:42 |
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| GAN8001 | flasher-2.0 on OS X. | 18:43 |
| nano- | mgedmin: yes, n810 | 18:43 |
| summatusmentis | GAN800: will that do both? | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | oh, does it work? | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | I thought 2.0 didn't work with the newest OS/device | 18:43 |
| nano- | mgedmin: No, that's why I'm asking here. | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | maybe that's only on linux | 18:43 |
| nano- | I'm using 3.0 | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | on linux you should definitely use 3.0 | 18:43 |
| * shapr hugs mgedmin | 18:43 | |
| GAN8001 | It's always worked fine, mgedmin. | 18:43 |
| * mgedmin waves back | 18:43 | |
| shapr | Hiya mgedmin, long time no see in person. | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | nano-: I once tried to flash a 770 image on a N800 (or a N800 image on a N810, don't remember) | 18:44 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, that's do nolo, I'm not sure if you can combine them like: ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo,initfs | 18:44 |
| GAN8001 | But now would be a good time to try! | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | the flasher aborted with a weird "error writing" message | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I panicked | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | *then* I noticed I was using the wrong image | 18:44 |
| nano- | I got: | 18:45 |
| nano- | Write failed after 37879808 bytes | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Indians have killed Osama bin Laden!!! | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | nano-, have you tried using 0xFFFF to flash. Usually I recommend normal flasher over it but you have nothing to lose and it actually gives you proper error messages | 18:45 |
| nano- | usb_bulk_write: No such device | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | whoa | 18:45 |
| RST38h | PATNA, India - An elephant nicknamed "Osama bin Laden" that killed at least 11 people and injured dozens has been shot dead, officials in eastern India said on Saturday. | 18:45 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: I should have 51-3, correct? | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | broken cable? | 18:45 |
| GAN8001 | Right, summatusmentis. | 18:45 |
| shapr | RST38h: I'm not sure that's on topic here. | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | the plug fell out? | 18:45 |
| nano- | mgedmin: no, it rebooted in the middle of the flashthing. | 18:45 |
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| mgedmin | battery charge ran out? | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | try again? | 18:45 |
| RST38h | shapr: Does it matter that much? | 18:45 |
| GAN8001 | shapr, pfft. | 18:46 |
| nano- | mgedmin: no, it was stuck in a reboot loop, so i thought it would not reboot when flashing... and flashing might fix the issue.. but it failed. | 18:46 |
| * shapr shrugs | 18:46 | |
| GAN8001 | We're hardly ever "on-topic" here. :P | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | nano-, I get errors like that when I only choose to flash rootfs. I only manage when I flash x-loader and secondary at the same time | 18:46 |
| * GAN8001 throws dretches at shapr. | 18:46 | |
| mgedmin | nano-: what's the exact command line you used? | 18:46 |
| nano- | qwerty12: yes, but now the device doesn't pop-up as a usb-device any longer. | 18:46 |
| nano- | mgedmin: Isn't that besides the point? The first goal seems to be to get the device detected as a usb device again. | 18:47 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: ok, now how do I tell if it worked? | 18:47 |
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| mgedmin | nano-: what do you see on dmesg when you plug it in? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | any errors? | 18:47 |
| nano- | mgedmin: nothing. | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | The device should've restarted, summatusmentis. | 18:47 |
| * GAN8001 is crushed. | 18:47 | |
| mgedmin | nothing at all? | 18:47 |
| nano- | mgedmin: correct. | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | Actually, not | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | it shouldn't have | 18:47 |
| GAN8001 | I didn't give you -R | 18:47 |
| nano- | (and earlier i obviously got the device connceted, and a couple of storage devices etc) | 18:47 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: oh... well it restarted for both of them | 18:47 |
| summatusmentis | and you did give me -R | 18:48 |
| shapr | GAN8001: Man, I haven't played trem in soo long. | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | nano-: you won't get storage devices until the n810 boots | 18:48 |
| summatusmentis | I ran them separately | 18:48 |
| summatusmentis | using RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | but should be able to see it with the flasher | 18:48 |
| nano- | mgedmin: yeah.. it did that before it rebooted in the reboot loop problem. now i get nothing. | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | Neither have I, shapr. | 18:48 |
| nano- | mgedmin: so back to the question, is there any cool hardware key-combo that puts the device in usb mode or something? | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | weel | 18:49 |
| nano- | Like dfu on the openmoko. | 18:49 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, well, did it throw any errors? | 18:49 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: it's showing Version: <unknown> is that common? | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | hold down the home key when you're powering up | 18:49 |
| nano- | mgedmin: what? | 18:49 |
| summatusmentis | nope | 18:49 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, very common. | 18:49 |
| nano- | mgedmin: i can't power up. | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | but usually it detect the flasher waiting on the other end of the usb cable | 18:49 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: thanks! | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | nano-: you mean, the power button doesn't work? | 18:49 |
| GAN8001 | You should be good, summatusmentis. | 18:49 |
| nano- | mgedmin: no | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | the led doesn't light up? | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | dead battery? | 18:50 |
| nano- | mgedmin: no.. but it does the first time the power cable is attached. | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | You can actually fix the <unknown> software version without any dangerous stuff at all. | 18:50 |
| nano- | and then it boots up, shows the nokia text, then shuts down. | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I would keep it for a couple of hours with the charger plugged in | 18:50 |
| nano- | and then i need to replug the cable to get it to light up again. | 18:50 |
| summatusmentis | is booting from SD pretty common? Is there a reason not to? | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | summatusmentis: is "too much hassle" or "I just can't be bothered" a good reason? | 18:51 |
| summatusmentis | mgedmin: lol, I guess. There's a .deb that does it for you | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | nano-: I've had problems with the 770 and the n800 getting it to power on before | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | one 770 behaved exactly like what you describe | 18:52 |
| tank-man | booting from sd is pretty much just 2 steps, clone the filesystem to sd card and make it so it boots from sd card | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | but after I kept it charging for a few hours (without trying to turn it on), it worked fine | 18:52 |
| summatusmentis | tank-man: aside from the extra space, are there any benefits to it? what about bad side effects? | 18:53 |
| nano- | mgedmin: ok.. so it's just a matter of charging it then? it's ok with my half-written-rootfs then? | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | the half-written rootfs is a complication | 18:53 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: I'm still getting bootmenu, is that bad? | 18:53 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | nano-: I'm pretty sure you'll need to reflash to get it to work | 18:53 |
| GAN8001 | Guess that == no success. | 18:54 |
| tank-man | no bad side effects i can think of | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | but I don't find it unlikely that you'd need to recharge the battery first before you can get it to reflash | 18:54 |
| * mgedmin shrugs | 18:54 | |
| GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo | 18:54 |
| GAN8001 | ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=initfs -R | 18:54 |
| GAN8001 | Do it like that, then | 18:54 |
| nano- | mgedmin: how can i reflash it if it's not recognized by my laptop? | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | I can't guarantee that it'll work, but it's a thing to try before shipping the device to a nokia service center | 18:54 |
| nano- | mgedmin: it just stays at: Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | nano-: that's good | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | that's what it's supposed to say | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | and then you plug in the cable | 18:54 |
| nano- | mgedmin: not forever? | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | and then you press the power button | 18:54 |
| nano- | mgedmin: power button still doesn't work . | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | and *then* the flasher should say "oh, hey, I see it" | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | what can I say? I think the battery is empty | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | or just very low | 18:55 |
| nano- | mgedmin: if i have the n810 turned off, the usb thing plugged in, then hold the power button, plugin the power cable into the n810 it starts with the blue led and crap.. and shows the blue "NOKIA" text on a white background, then after 3-4 seconds it turns off. | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | NO | 18:56 |
| nano- | mgedmin: the flasher doesn't say anything after the text "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 18:57 |
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| mgedmin | you can't reflash with the power cable | 18:57 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: the NOLO told me ther was nothing to do, and the initfs worked, but still thre a bootmenu upon reboot | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | it's how the device was designed | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | a program must be running to monitor the charger process | 18:57 |
| summatusmentis | should it be plugged in? | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | Weirdness | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | and you can't reflash it when it's running | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, you didn't flash initfs properly then | 18:57 |
| GAN8001 | You can flash with the power cable, mgedmin. | 18:58 |
| nano- | mgedmin: it's been plugged in and charging all afternoon. | 18:58 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I did it the way GAN8001 told me to :) | 18:58 |
| GAN8001 | Which should do it fine. | 18:58 |
| nano- | mgedmin: however, it has been power cycling as fast as possible all the time, so that might have interrupted the charging. | 18:58 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried flashing with the power cable plugged | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, ./flasher-2.0 -u -F <FIASCO image> && ./flasher-2.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2 | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | I know that the official flashing instructions say it must be unplugged, and the battery must be fully charged | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Longer method though. | 18:59 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: how were the indians killed? impaled on a tusk? | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | and that you should use flasher-3.0 | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | and I also know that when I followed the instructions, flashing worked for me | 18:59 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I don't have an initfs.jffs2 | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, the 1st command makes it | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | or rather extracts it | 19:00 |
| summatusmentis | oh, alright | 19:00 |
| GAN8001 | Maybe ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO> --flash-only=nolo -f? | 19:01 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: ok, that ran, do I just shut it down now? | 19:01 |
| GAN8001 | Hrm | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | NOLO doesn't need to be flashed to remove bootmenu | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, unplug the usb cable | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | it should start booting | 19:01 |
| summatusmentis | yep, and no boot menu | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | see, what did I tell you :p | 19:02 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: EPIC FAILZ!!! :) | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | Duh, qwerty12. | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Duh what? My cmd line worked, | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | But his NOLO is old. | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, skeen | 19:02 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, that command works for flashing without unpacking first just fine here. ;) | 19:03 |
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| summatusmentis | GAN8001: how do I know the NOLO is old? | 19:03 |
| GAN8001 | Because we never flashed it until now. | 19:03 |
| GAN8001 | is/was | 19:03 |
| summatusmentis | ok, so I think NOLO should be up to date now | 19:04 |
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| summatusmentis | hi secureendpoints :) | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, run cat /proc/component_version and tell me your nolo version | 19:06 |
| summatusmentis | 1.1.6 | 19:07 |
| GAN8001 | Still old | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | old | 19:07 |
| GAN8001 | Should be 1.1.11 | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | mine is 1.1.11 | 19:07 |
| summatusmentis | lol, ok. So then, since I extracted everything, how do I fix it? | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | extracted method is a bit, give me a sec for the right cmd line | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | *bit long for nolo | 19:08 |
| GAN8001 | I still think --flash-only=nolo should work. . . | 19:08 |
| * qwerty12 agrees too but if the extracted method worked, then what can i do | 19:09 | |
| summatusmentis | should I ry adding the -f at the end GAN8001 ? | 19:09 |
| GAN8001 | I don't see how it could hurt. | 19:09 |
| GAN8001 | Pastebin the output afterwards, too. :P | 19:09 |
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| WorkingOnWis1 | I try to launch the VMware VM for the maemo SDK and I get an error. Failed to launch peer process. Any Ideas? Windows Vista Host | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | http://pastebin.ca/1035037 | 19:11 |
| summatusmentis | /proc/component_version still says 1.1.6 | 19:11 |
| GAN8001 | After that? | 19:13 |
| summatusmentis | yeah | 19:13 |
| GAN8001 | Weeeeird | 19:13 |
| GAN8001 | Looks like it flashed fine. :\ | 19:13 |
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| summatusmentis | it's not because I seta a user password or something is it? | 19:13 |
| GAN8001 | Shouldn't be | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, when you press the power button, does your led light up then go off then the n810 starts? | 19:14 |
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| qwerty12 | before I updated nolo, my N800's led would light up and switch on at that exact moment | 19:14 |
| * unixSnob wonders if switching to ubifs is possible on the NIT (in light of http://kerneltrap.org/taxonomy/term/348) | 19:15 | |
| qwerty12 | now it switches off and the n800 starts after the update | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | I have to hold it until I see the nokia screen, and then the light turns off | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | does the light go off after the nokia screen has come up? | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | yes | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Old nolo still | 19:15 |
| GAN8001 | GPE presentation from LinuxTag if anybody's interested: http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/files/gpeandmaemo_ltag2008.pdf | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: any success on the extracted NOLO flashing command? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, it's too long and I only have the file names for the N800 | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | you do know how tab-completion works right? | 19:17 |
| summatusmentis | yes | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | ./flasher-2.0 -f -x xloader.bin<tab> -s secondary.bin<tab> -2 2nd.bin<tab> | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | also -R should go after it too | 19:20 |
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| summatusmentis | /proc/component-version shows 1.1.11 now | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | cool | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | looks like that worked | 19:22 |
| * qwerty12 gets back to compiling gcc-2.95.2 (yes, I know it's as old as shit) | 19:23 | |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: is it possible that since we extracted everything the first time, it needed to do it all extracted? | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | no | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | that would be stupid | 19:23 |
| GAN8001 | Weirdness | 19:23 |
| GAN8001 | Anyway | 19:23 |
| summatusmentis | that seems to be how it worked though | 19:23 |
| GAN8001 | It's updated. :P | 19:23 |
| RST38h | qwertty | 19:23 |
| summatusmentis | thanks you guys | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | np | 19:24 |
| Cptnodegard | do mplayer read realmedia files? | 19:24 |
| * summatusmentis goes to be productive | 19:24 | |
| qwerty12 | hello RST38h | 19:24 |
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| GAN8001 | OK, RST38h, finally going through your wiki ideas. | 19:27 |
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| [cliff] | hi all | 19:28 |
| [cliff] | is it possible to extend virtual memory beyond 64MB? I have a nice 1GB rsmmc card and I really want to push it to 256mb of swap | 19:28 |
| GAN8001 | Some of it's more appropriate for the 2010 Agenda (SB2, for instance), since that's more of a maemo rather than maemo.org thing and not really a 100 Days change. | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Goddam, the current wiki search sucks so bad. | 19:36 |
| GAN8001 | On mediawiki or midgard? | 19:37 |
| gourdin | is there sometime an update of the browser ? it crash a lot here ... | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | On midgard | 19:37 |
| GAN8001 | gourdin: , Diablo. | 19:37 |
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| gourdin | and is kinda slow :/ | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | install the microb SVN | 19:37 |
| gourdin | GAN8001: diablo is out ? | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Atm, the browser sucks knobs in the diablo beta | 19:37 |
| GAN8001 | No | 19:37 |
| gourdin | ho | 19:38 |
| GAN8001 | But that's when the update is coming. | 19:38 |
| AStorm | hello again | 19:38 |
| GAN8001 | Unless you want to try your hand at installing the svn. | 19:38 |
| AStorm | which toolchains should I pick for sbox? | 19:38 |
| AStorm | esp. which debian one | 19:38 |
| gourdin | GAN8001: where do i find the svn version ? | 19:38 |
| GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 | 19:39 |
| gourdin | thx | 19:39 |
| AStorm | and should I pick maemo3-debian? (sounds old) | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, I'm guessing you aren't using the scripts? | 19:41 |
| AStorm | it's been the complete unpacked sbox binary | 19:41 |
| AStorm | but I could use the scripts, yes | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | I used the scripts and my CHINOOK_ARMEL says: │ Devkits: perl debian-etch maemo3-tools cputransp │ | 19:41 |
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| AStorm | hm, need a rootstrap I guess | 19:42 |
| * qwerty12 also recommends setting up another target for the 2008 toolchain and gcc4 | 19:42 | |
| AStorm | mhm | 19:42 |
| AStorm | I'll use the script instead | 19:43 |
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| *** irc.freenode.net changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook" | 22:39 | |
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| gpd | so I'm using my HSDPA Nokia E51 via N800 on O2 unlimited web/walk - and all is excellent - but it seems to 'drop' the connection if 'too much' traffic goes through... not sure if it is O2 doing it actively - or just a failure of the system at my end - anyone with similar experiences? [unlikely...] | 22:53 |
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| gpd | come to think of it - it also does it on XP via USB to the phone - so probably is O2... | 22:54 |
| GAN8001 | Sounds like it. | 22:55 |
| gpd | but for the logs -- I am on simplicity plan and have a free web bolt on with 'unlimited' accces within fair usage. It works perfectly via bluetooth to N800 and also to laptop via USB. Highly recommend. | 22:55 |
| RST38h | N8x0s should really sell bundled with E51 phones =) | 22:56 |
| RST38h | coupled with a faux curly wire =) | 22:56 |
| gpd | I love my E51 so far.. great little phone. | 22:57 |
| GAN8001 | RST38h, you look over the wiki recently? | 22:58 |
| *** GAN8001 changes topic to "Development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | Quim Gil's talk at LinuxTag http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update" | 23:02 | |
| AStorm | E51 is too large for me :P | 23:02 |
| keesj | jott: are you there? | 23:02 |
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| keesj | pupnik: you made it! | 23:18 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 23:18 |
| GAN8001 | Welcome home LinuxTaggers. :P | 23:18 |
| keesj | I have some pictures , I will probably mail later to the list | 23:19 |
| keesj | http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo | 23:19 |
| * GAN8001 is waiting eagerly for the rest of the audio recordings. | 23:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | keesj, nice shots | 23:21 |
| keesj | thanks | 23:21 |
| GAN8001 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/kees.jongenburger/SEGmqywBcPI/AAAAAAAABbw/QOt7RfXP67k/p5291797.jpg?imgmax=576 | 23:21 |
| GAN8001 | I guess hrw found a laptop | 23:21 |
| keesj | mine :p | 23:21 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | heh, i recognised it was yours | 23:22 |
| keesj | It really is the way to go. | 23:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i saw the serial cable flashing images | 23:22 |
| GAN8001 | keesj, great shots! | 23:23 |
| keesj | skip the sdk part give people a real rootfs with gcc and such | 23:23 |
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| keesj | I get 500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR's from picassa :( | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | same here | 23:27 |
| pupnik | yeey | 23:27 |
| GAN8001 | pupnik, how'd the cam work out for your demos? | 23:28 |
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| pupnik | defective, returning it | 23:29 |
| GAN8001 | :P | 23:30 |
| GAN8001 | S'too bad | 23:30 |
| GAN8001 | How'd you present? | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | How's lcuk? Northerner power! :p | 23:31 |
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| keesj | lcuk was great! we where all impressed | 23:32 |
| rsalveti | keesj: http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo/ | 23:33 |
| rsalveti | was missing last '/' | 23:33 |
| keesj | He was very nervous for the talk but he made up for it afterwards | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | great :) | 23:33 |
| GAN8001 | Poor bastard was up first or second, wasn't he? | 23:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | us northerners got da heat :p | 23:33 |
| keesj | hi rsalveti | 23:33 |
| rsalveti | hm, I guess that wasn't working at all and now it is :-) | 23:34 |
| rsalveti | hi | 23:34 |
| keesj | I think the mamona talk went ok. | 23:34 |
| GAN8001 | keesj, pupnik, anybody else who was there. Who was the Nokian-sounding gentlemen that chimed in about the Hacker Editions and wifi/kernel stuff during Quim's Q&A (from the audio file linked in the topic)? | 23:35 |
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| rsalveti | keesj: nice, how was it? | 23:35 |
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| keesj | rsalveti: it was a little to much I guess. but I think at least a few people are currently thinking :P | 23:36 |
| rsalveti | keesj: nice | 23:37 |
| keesj | most question where about power management and other missing things | 23:37 |
| rsalveti | keesj: was it recorded? | 23:37 |
| rsalveti | keesj: hm, got it | 23:37 |
| keesj | rsalveti: I guess | 23:37 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey, what is the default runlevel for maemo? | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 2 | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | 5 if booted with charger in | 23:39 |
| keesj | http://mamona.mmapps.net/lt/mamona_linuxtag_2008.pdf | 23:39 |
| EruditeHermit | my tablet-browser-daemon isn't starting on boot | 23:40 |
| EruditeHermit | so my browser is useless | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, by any chance, you weren't messing with the services control panel under diablo? | 23:41 |
| EruditeHermit | yes I was | 23:41 |
| EruditeHermit | is that a known issue? | 23:41 |
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| AStorm | hah | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i fu*ked my daemon like that too | 23:42 |
| AStorm | diablo got you | 23:42 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: ping | 23:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but i have framebuffer so i saw problem ;) | 23:42 |
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| rsalveti | keesj: cool | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | EruditeHermit, change the number in /etc/rc2.d/ to make the browser daemon start after the xserver | 23:43 |
| EruditeHermit | ok | 23:43 |
| EruditeHermit | was that what it was initially? | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no idea, but it works ;) | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i could see fb output saying that the daemon couldn't open the display :/ | 23:45 |
| EruditeHermit | cool | 23:46 |
| EruditeHermit | it worked | 23:46 |
| EruditeHermit | darn services control panel | 23:46 |
| summatusmentis | when I'm extracting the debian chroot, i get : tar: cannot create directory './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28': Invalid argument | 23:46 |
| summatusmentis | tar: can't open './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28/names': No such file or directory | 23:47 |
| summatusmentis | suggestions? | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you are extracting the debian beta 3 to a ext2 volume as root right? | 23:48 |
| summatusmentis | oh, not as root | 23:49 |
| summatusmentis | but should that matter? | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes, do it as root to ensure correct permissions and owners | 23:50 |
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