| lardman | should be 0xff8000 - 0x027fff bytes accessible | 00:00 |
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| ssvb | lardman: and we need some free space in addition to frames in order to exchange data between ARM and DSP (half-processed idct coefficients, motion vectors, subtitles data, ...) | 00:01 |
| lardman | yes | 00:01 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'm off to LinuxTag tomorrow, and at a wedding at the weekend, but will see how far your've got and start helping again next week | 00:03 |
| lardman | s/LinuxTag/Berlin in anticipation of LinuxTag :) | 00:04 |
| ssvb | lardman: also there is a nasty effect of memory fragmentation, when I tried to add extra section to task's .cmd file, it worked fine after reboot, but started to fail after some device use | 00:04 |
| ssvb | lardman: the memory can be reserved according to dspgateway docs, but in this case it is 'lost' to the rest of the system | 00:05 |
| lardman | ssvb: extra MEMORY sections or variables within exisiting MEMORY sections? | 00:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: extra memory section | 00:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: ok, I'll commit the first initial revision of video accelerator dsp task to mplayer SVN repository soon | 00:08 |
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| lardman | ssvb: well there's presumably no telling where it will be placed in the main memory, but fragmentation too? | 00:08 |
| lardman | ssvb: cool :) | 00:08 |
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| ssvb | lardman: if I understand it right, we need a physically contiguous block of memory to map it to dsp, and the memory may get fragmented | 00:09 |
| ssvb | lardman: this test dsp task just performs some basic tests and benchmarks: arm-dsp roundtrip time measurement, dsp memory bandwidth benchmark, calculation of idct using imglib (hw accelerated) | 00:10 |
| lardman | I'm not sure; from the diagram in the spec pdf it looks like non-contiguous areas can be mapped, but there is also a function to reserve contiguous areas at boot time (e.g. for the framebuffer) iirc | 00:11 |
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| ssvb | lardman: nothing of practical value yet, I'll try to make some use of dma if it is possible and experiment more with pointers wrapping at page boundaries | 00:12 |
| ssvb | lardman: after that I will try to make an optimized color format conversion (and probably scaling) | 00:13 |
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| ssvb | lardman: I can try to post a preliminary draft of this video accelerator roadmap to maemo developers list | 00:15 |
| ssvb | lardman: I have a feeling that Nokia 770 has a good potential for flawless playback for practically any MPEG4 ASP videos that the users may encounter :) | 00:19 |
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| mza- | So is wayfinder worth it? | 00:30 |
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| mza- | $140 for 3 years doesnt seem so bad | 00:30 |
| lardman | ssvb: well that's certainly good news. Please let me know how I can help with it | 00:31 |
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| ssvb | lardman: sure, there are a lot of things to do | 00:33 |
| ssvb | lardman: for example, investigation how to turn dsp task into installable .deb package | 00:33 |
| lardman | that shouldn't be too bad with a bit of post-inst script magic to add the task to the conf file | 00:35 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes, but nevertheless it will need to be done (if we manage to get this dsp task useful of course) | 00:36 |
| lardman | yep | 00:36 |
| ssvb | lardman: also checking what's wrong with the kernel and why it is rebooting, trying to reduce arm-dsp turnaround time, etc. | 00:37 |
| lardman | with the rebooting, try running dmesg just before it reboot and you may get an inkling | 00:37 |
| lardman | luck & timing is everything though | 00:37 |
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| pH5 | ssvb: did you have a look at the dsp-flac package? they have an installable .deb | 00:38 |
| Atarii | any of you guys got canola2 working on 2008he? | 00:38 |
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| ssvb | pH5: no, do you have a link? | 00:39 |
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| pH5 | ssvb: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=655&release_id=1717 | 00:39 |
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| ssvb | pH5: ok, googled for it | 00:41 |
| pH5 | I think they just kill dsp_dld when they could do /etc/init.d/dsp-init stop|start instead, but the basics are there. | 00:41 |
| mza- | https://serialio.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=456 | 00:42 |
| mza- | will that work to hook usb devices to my N810? | 00:42 |
| mza- | er wait, isnt the N810 micro-usb? | 00:42 |
| pH5 | mza-: no, that's mini-A. n810 is micro | 00:42 |
| mza- | shit | 00:43 |
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| mza- | does anyone sell these off the shelf? | 00:43 |
| summatusmentis | n810 has a micro usb port? | 00:43 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 00:43 |
| pH5 | I didn't find any, so I bought one of those and a micro-usb cable and frankensteined them together. | 00:45 |
| mza- | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1793 | 00:47 |
| mza- | i dont think that will stay in very well | 00:47 |
| mza- | rather have something flexible | 00:48 |
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| patoh | that is expensive :P | 00:50 |
| pH5 | mza-: those are also mini, not micro | 00:50 |
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| timeless | anyone here have aneeepc | 00:51 |
| timeless | ineed help.. | 00:52 |
| * timeless needs the apt pgp key for xandros | 00:52 | |
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| summatusmentis | timeless: isn't there an ubuntu version for it? | 00:53 |
| RST38h | timeless: any idea wh microb would hang for 10-15 seconds on startup? | 00:53 |
| RST38h | [i have adblock installed] | 00:53 |
| patoh | RST38h: its mozilla, that is a feature :P | 00:53 |
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| timeless | is this abnormal | 00:55 |
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| timeless | typically there | 00:55 |
| wolfspirit | three questions.. is microb the default browser for the n800 os2008 and is minimo available for os2008, plus is minimo any better? | 00:55 |
| timeless | s a hang while ld.so loads libxul | 00:55 |
| RST38h | oh | 00:56 |
| timeless | yes.dunno . random | 00:56 |
| RST38h | but it did not take that long before, I think | 00:56 |
| timeless | minimo is dead | 00:56 |
| timeless | unsupportedetc | 00:56 |
| timeless | it | 00:56 |
| timeless | s alsonot arelease just random snapshots | 00:56 |
| timeless | microb is an oldsnapshot | 00:56 |
| timeless | minimocould be older or newer | 00:56 |
| timeless | microb has better integration | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | minimo is incredibly slow on my Zaurus | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | or, was, haven't used it recently | 00:57 |
| timeless | but a bleedingminimo could have somefeatures | 00:57 |
| timeless | i would try fennec instead | 00:57 |
| wolfspirit | is that the browser with os2008? | 00:57 |
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| timeless | butpeople say itis slower | 00:57 |
| timeless | microb shipsw 2008 | 00:57 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: you might look into fixing your spacebar | 00:57 |
| timeless | not mine | 00:58 |
| timeless | eeepc | 00:58 |
| timeless | not mine toz | 00:58 |
| summatusmentis | I thought the eeepc was yours | 00:58 |
| timeless | no | 00:58 |
| timeless | i bought it for a friend | 00:58 |
| timeless | and am configuringit | 00:58 |
| timeless | but it isn | 00:58 |
| timeless | t mine | 00:58 |
| wolfspirit | The browser im using is good but there are no tabs just new windows | 00:58 |
| timeless | technically microb could be tabbed | 00:59 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/addingxandrosrepos | 00:59 |
| timeless | but t is poinzless | 00:59 |
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| summatusmentis | scroll down a bit, that'll give you the pgp key | 00:59 |
| wolfspirit | ooh? | 00:59 |
| timeless | the ui for maemo IS tabs# | 00:59 |
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| timeless | sorrz,i did that | 01:00 |
| timeless | butitdidn | 01:00 |
| timeless | t addpgpkez | 01:00 |
| timeless | just the errorfor it | 01:00 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade_, pong. | 01:01 |
| GAN8001 | timeless, I still want tabs for fullscreen. :P | 01:01 |
| wolfspirit | I dont think it's pointless just ny opinion though | 01:01 |
| timeless | press the homekez | 01:01 |
| summatusmentis | timeless: http://eeepcrepos.tuxfamily.org/ this is all I'm seeing | 01:02 |
| wolfspirit | I know that | 01:02 |
| timeless | wolf, anzwaz there is support inmost pieces although we maz have disabled it | 01:02 |
| timeless | zes i added that kez | 01:02 |
| GAN8001 | Home key is far away, and the home menu sucks. | 01:02 |
| guenther | timeless: Typing on a German keyboard? ;) | 01:02 |
| timeless | home kez gives zou task switchingC+ | 01:02 |
| timeless | zes | 01:03 |
| timeless | boughtingermanz | 01:03 |
| guenther | :-)) | 01:03 |
| timeless | in the dark... | 01:03 |
| timeless | zuck# | 01:03 |
| wolfspirit | I don't think it suckss but it would be nicer to see the tabs | 01:03 |
| guenther | Hey, we do have a space, though. ;) | 01:03 |
| timeless | ido too ... sometimes | 01:03 |
| GAN8001 | The option for tabs would do me good. | 01:04 |
| timeless | nno | 01:04 |
| wolfspirit | No major complaints here so far the n800 and the maemo platform have been vey nice | 01:04 |
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| timeless | zouC$d opentoo man7 windows and complain when the device reboots | 01:05 |
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| wolfspirit | another question pertaining to java is it possible to get awt working? I would like o try and get moneydance working | 01:06 |
| timeless | oh adblock may do a blocklist uodate... | 01:06 |
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| GAN800 | Anybody else brave the 21-4 waters succefully yet? | 01:20 |
| timeless | eh ! | 01:21 |
| summatusmentis | 21-4? as in, rootfs size? | 01:21 |
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| GAN8001 | Latest Diablo update. | 01:22 |
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| wolfspirit | Does that suck up a lot of battery life | 01:23 |
| GAN8001 | What? | 01:24 |
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| wolfspirit | Is that diablo the game? | 01:24 |
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| GAN8001 | No, Diablo == Chinook+1 | 01:26 |
| GAN8001 | Next OS2008 release. | 01:26 |
| wolfspirit | ah | 01:27 |
| wolfspirit | n800 newbie here | 01:27 |
| GAN8001 | Bone up, wolfspirit. ;) http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ | 01:29 |
| lcuk | shurrup gan, not everyone knows (or cares :P) | 01:29 |
| * GAN8001 throws dead fish at lcuk. | 01:30 | |
| guenther | amelly | 01:34 |
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| guenther | s/amelly/smelly/ # gar | 01:35 |
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| pupnik | hey lcuk | 01:36 |
| pupnik | hope we have a table to sit at | 01:36 |
| lardman | night all | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | so do i | 01:38 |
| GAN8001 | They're gonna sit you on the floor. | 01:38 |
| lcuk | pupnik, since food is on your mind more often than anything, you can arrange the seating for us, doing ninja missions into the room to fix things | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | heh | 01:42 |
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| * guenther waves | 01:45 | |
| pupnik | hello guenther | 01:45 |
| guenther | hah :) | 01:45 |
| guenther | hey pupnik | 01:45 |
| guenther | I was about to leave for the night, not say hello... | 01:45 |
| guenther | I just misspelled "quit". | 01:46 |
| GAN8001 | 'night, guenther | 01:46 |
| guenther | night general, folks | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, has your camera been good enough to make any movies | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: yes it's sorta ok | 02:07 |
| pupnik | no idea if it works ok doing a live output via hdmi | 02:07 |
| lcuk | fair enough, have you checked you mail recently, linuxtag people have sent an info pack and ticket etc | 02:07 |
| pupnik | i got an e-ticket with a schematic of the place | 02:08 |
| lcuk | they say there is a projector but you are expected to take own laptop | 02:08 |
| pupnik | yeah it'd be nice to actually play around with the stuff live | 02:08 |
| GAN8001 | One of you needs to bring a USB-to-VGA adaptor to do a presentation with | 02:09 |
| lcuk | im not even sure if the xv overlap would be sent.. | 02:10 |
| GAN8001 | Just for a powerpoint-style things. | 02:10 |
| GAN8001 | s/things/thing/ | 02:10 |
| infobot | GAN8001 meant: Just for a powerpoint-style thing. | 02:10 |
| pupnik | lcuk: well if you set up synergy and usb networking, it might be possible to demo stuff live with my camera | 02:10 |
| pupnik | but i wouldn't count on it | 02:11 |
| lcuk | my camera doesnt operate as a webcam, its either movie mode unplugged, or when i plug it in its a memorystick | 02:11 |
| pupnik | yes i dunno about using it as a webcam. but if the projector has hdmi input, one could display the tablet screen on the projector | 02:12 |
| pupnik | lcuk: i didn't get the mail you spoke of - afaict. i got two from simon pickering - was that it? | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | no, it only arrived a few minutes ago | 02:13 |
| lcuk | 4hours.. | 02:13 |
| sp3000 | oh, wow, another dariusgram, now with 100% less content | 02:14 |
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| sp3000 | just the spammy part please sir | 02:14 |
| lcuk | crap, pup, pm your email addy, gmail isnt giving me any hints and id have to close mail | 02:14 |
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| practisevoodoo | anyone got any idea why i cant copy files to my memory card? | 02:16 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, im starting to suspect that powerlaunch is a battery drain... | 02:26 |
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| lcuk | lots of things are a powerdrain, the only way i can get my 810 to stay on overnight and not have it totally flat by morning is to switch cpu to powersave | 02:27 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk, something's wrong, then. :P | 02:32 |
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| t_s_o | well, i guess ill "know" in a few days. at the very least, my N800 should last longer on standby if the last couple of hours are a indication... | 02:34 |
| t_s_o | only thing i used powerlaunch for anyways was the reboot option :P | 02:34 |
| summatusmentis | well, it's official, I just signed up for ITT | 02:37 |
| briand | welcome aboard. | 02:37 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, get away while you still can. | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | lol, well, thanks. Hopefully my N810 comes tomorrow | 02:37 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: why? I don't spend that much time on forums | 02:37 |
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| GAN8001 | itT is descending into darkness these days. . . . | 02:38 |
| GAN8001 | t_s_o, /etc/systemui/systemui.xml | 02:38 |
| summatusmentis | darkness? | 02:38 |
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| t_s_o | sorry GAN8001, thats one hint i dont get ;) | 02:39 |
| summatusmentis | GAN8001: what was the link you linked me to a while ago, with user storeis? | 02:40 |
| GAN8001 | t_s_o, open the file | 02:40 |
| GAN8001 | summatusmentis, blanking, dunno. | 02:40 |
| summatusmentis | it was on the wiki, it was what people do w/ their N8x0s | 02:41 |
| GAN8001 | Oh | 02:41 |
| GAN8001 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts | 02:41 |
| summatusmentis | right, thanks! | 02:41 |
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| t_s_o | heh, figures. thanks GAN8001 | 02:43 |
| GAN8001 | Sure | 02:43 |
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| lopz | hi | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes | 07:58 |
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| lcuk | khertan, good morning :) even though its raining here it feels like a good day | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk | 08:21 |
| lcuk | yer | 08:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, what? | 08:24 |
| RST38h | nothing | 08:25 |
| RST38h | just saying hi | 08:25 |
| lcuk | lol | 08:25 |
| RST38h | you have probably got our rain, moving south-west | 08:26 |
| lcuk | its been a loooooooooooong night.. | 08:26 |
| lcuk | ive got a day of work, then a snooze and im off to linuxtag | 08:26 |
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| pupnik | hey lcuk - no sleep for me either | 08:49 |
| mysc | how do you know what destination and object path to use for different apps in maemo? i.e. for the desktop systemnote you use org.freedesktop.Notifications | 08:50 |
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| mysc | i.e. can you easily get interface/object info from things? | 08:54 |
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| mysc | never mind, found it. | 08:59 |
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| pupnik | can you post the answer mysc? | 09:08 |
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| RST38h | hehehe | 09:29 |
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| * RST38h just found (again) that MSVC does not provide opendir()/readdir() functionality | 09:30 | |
| RST38h | So much for "POSIX compatibility" | 09:30 |
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| lcuk | they also dont have memory mapped files | 09:35 |
| lcuk | pupnik, ive just been out in the middle of nowhere seeing what part of my notes works and what doesnt | 09:35 |
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| mysc | sorry pupnik, was afk. i read here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html | 09:50 |
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| mysc | johnx, you're a tough man to locate. congrats on the debian, i like it a lot. | 09:52 |
| johnx | thanks | 09:52 |
| johnx | sorry, have been offline the last couple days | 09:52 |
| Khertan_theReal | Morning | 09:52 |
| johnx | busy at work and a friend is staying with me | 09:52 |
| johnx | mornin' Khertan_theReal | 09:53 |
| mysc | i got everything working nicely had it bootable and also chrootable. i never got the wifi working though :( and the card it was on died. | 09:53 |
| johnx | what kind of encryption do you user on your network? | 09:53 |
| mysc | wpa-psk | 09:53 |
| johnx | me too | 09:53 |
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| johnx | the sample config in /etc/network/interfaces didn't behave? | 09:54 |
| mysc | it didn't! | 09:54 |
| johnx | hmm :/ | 09:54 |
| mysc | i was about to try out wifi-radar and the card died. | 09:54 |
| johnx | that's too bad | 09:55 |
| johnx | corrupted FS or completely dead? | 09:55 |
| mysc | deader than jimmy hoffa. nothing recognized it. | 09:55 |
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| mysc | it was a cheap one so i am not surprised. | 09:56 |
| beford | hallo, is there any way to change the DNS servers ip address through GUI on os2008? | 09:56 |
| johnx | I lost a 1GB card using it for / on my zaurus back when 1GB cards actually cost something :/ | 09:56 |
| johnx | beford, yup, in advanced settings under connectivity | 09:56 |
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| mysc | yeah, its a pain. anyways, bought some cheap ones. so i will re-install your debian tomorrow. all you do is use the /etc/network/interfaces you have on your wiki? nothing additional (except the forcing of the MAC)? | 09:57 |
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| beford | I can see the current dns, but I can't change them | 09:57 |
| johnx | control panel -> connectivity -> connections -> select your ap from the list -> next, next, next, advanced, -> ip addresses | 09:59 |
| jldiaz | well, more or less NBVNç | 10:00 |
| mysc | oh, does anyone here have problems with bt keyboards unpairing after some idle time? i thought pinging it with a "keep alive" script would work, it does keep replying to ping but the pairing is still gone. | 10:00 |
| mysc | strange thing is hci reports the connection is there. and the kb replies to pings. so i'm guessing it's an OS bug. | 10:02 |
| beford | thanks that worked johnx | 10:03 |
| johnx | :) | 10:03 |
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| beford | there are some problems with my isp dns server. i'm using opendns nameservers atm :P | 10:04 |
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| mysc | no one else suffers this weird bt kb behavior after some idle time? | 10:05 |
| * johnx has a usb kb | 10:05 | |
| * beford doesn't have an external kb | 10:07 | |
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| lcuk | has an 810 and a usb kb and an apple kb | 10:08 |
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| lcuk | the apple is amazing :) | 10:08 |
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| X-Fade_ | Morning | 10:11 |
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| mysc | i am using the apple (apple bt). you don't have the problem lcuk> | 10:13 |
| mysc | ? | 10:13 |
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| lcuk | i tend to use my kb in bursts, an hour or two, then off for a few days - i always have to reconnect it, i just figured it had gone to sleep | 10:13 |
| lcuk | just press the power button on the kb and bash a few keys and it comes back to life | 10:14 |
| lcuk | i never have to touch the 810 | 10:14 |
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| mysc | yes, that's what i have to do. i thought it was a problem with the pairing. | 10:14 |
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| mysc | since the pinging continues. it even provides info to hci calls. so it's not totally asleep. | 10:15 |
| lcuk | i just assumed that was the same for all bt keyboards, never been a problem | 10:15 |
| beford | what does the blue led indicator mean? | 10:15 |
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| mysc | lcuk, maybe i should just deal and not worry. oh, do you ever get repeated letters? there seems to be a firmware patch but you need a mac. | 10:16 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i disabled everything on that throbber after it looked like i haad a ghost in bedroom at night | 10:16 |
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| johnx | beford, on an n800? "Hey, pay attention to me!" | 10:17 |
| lcuk | the repeated letters appears to ONLY occur at the specific moment an event occurs and the cpu is either busy or switching speeds | 10:17 |
| beford | yea, on a n810. | 10:17 |
| lcuk | i tend to run most of the time tethered and in performance cpu mode so dont encounter this often | 10:17 |
| johnx | ah...I don't know what "blue" means on an n810 | 10:17 |
| mysc | lcuk, i don't just have to press the on button, i have to keep it pressed to turn it off then turn it on. | 10:18 |
| lcuk | there is a similar issue if you try to do too much work whilst stroking the stylus - you dont get a stylus up message and so 2 strokes stick together | 10:18 |
| lcuk | (low cpu + regular fullscreen blits make this occur more) | 10:19 |
| lcuk | mysc, i dunno, i just press the button till it works, its like activating a wiimote | 10:19 |
| mysc | heh. | 10:20 |
| lcuk | i dont expect keyboard to maintain an always on connection for days at an end and im shocked it tries to | 10:20 |
| lcuk | crap, need to go to work | 10:20 |
| beford | I suppose its the same johnx, I have screen + irssi running, maybe that's what makes it 'blink' | 10:21 |
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| johnx | usually on my n800 it's new email | 10:21 |
| johnx | or a new IM | 10:21 |
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| lcuk | if anyones interested, heres my notes for the discussion im giving at linuxtag on thursday | 10:21 |
| lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes | 10:21 |
| johnx | irssi would have to have specific code to blink the light | 10:21 |
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| lcuk | oh crap - i just woke the house by printing it out! | 10:22 |
| beford | actually its not even running on it, I'm sshing to another box | 10:23 |
| beford | probably ssh client has that ability(?) | 10:24 |
| mysc | dot matrix? | 10:24 |
| johnx | beford, I kind of doubt it... | 10:24 |
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| lcuk | no, just more noise than the silent theres been all night :P im not a luddite | 10:24 |
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| johnx | how would it know that the new message you received is worth blinking the light? | 10:25 |
| mysc | heh | 10:25 |
| lcuk | because it has the evil bit set | 10:25 |
| X-Fade_ | I already have that with my gmail and modest. Only inbox mails blink, mails that are tagged do not blink. | 10:26 |
| beford | i've no idea. it seems to blink all the time :| going to close everything to check | 10:26 |
| mysc | lcuk, ok, i have a dirty workaround. | 10:26 |
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| mysc | i kill the con, cli, then a keypress forces a recon | 10:27 |
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| lcuk | so you mess with 8x0 as well as keyboard | 10:28 |
| beford | hmm it's still blinking, going to restart it | 10:29 |
| mysc | yes, this is assuming i'm ssh'd in which i normally am. if i were in bed i'd use the old no n8x0 method | 10:29 |
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| lcuk | KISS approach, i dont see it as a problem requiring resolution | 10:29 |
| beford | it still blinks. maybe because wireless is enabled? | 10:31 |
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| mysc | if there were a way to poll the sleep status, i could cron it | 10:31 |
| * beford removes home screen applets and checks again. | 10:33 | |
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| lcuk | right, off i go | 10:35 |
| lcuk | back tonightish | 10:35 |
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| mysc | oh john, i am used to my desktop's xorg.conf. where do i edit things in your debian? roxterm for example extend below the viewable desktop - wanna fix that. | 10:38 |
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| johnx | xomap only accepts a couple command line options... | 10:39 |
| johnx | are you trying to change the resolution? | 10:39 |
| mysc | i want the apps to be constrained to viewable area | 10:39 |
| johnx | that's a window manager thing | 10:40 |
| johnx | you'll want to switch to matchbox I guess | 10:40 |
| mysc | where do i edit xfce's config then? | 10:40 |
| johnx | it's in .config/xfce4 I believe | 10:40 |
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| mysc | ok. will check it upon install. | 10:41 |
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| beford | its still blinking :{ | 10:42 |
| mysc | before n800 or n810? | 10:42 |
| mysc | maybe you have something pending: email received, im received, etc. why don't you just switch all the led things off if it bothers you? | 10:44 |
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| beford | n810 | 10:46 |
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| mysc | turn off alerts in control panel | 10:47 |
| beford | ok.i've just restored original settings, gonna see if that fixes it | 10:49 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:50 |
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| beford | http://europe.nokia.com/search5/display.jsp?wsid=1000&caseid=65400 | 10:52 |
| beford | it seems to be white. although it looks kinda blue to me, and its normal, lol, it means that the device is turned on but the screen is off | 10:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
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| hrw | hi Jaffa | 11:09 |
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| hrw | guys: is it possible to brick tablet with flashing? | 11:14 |
| hrw | NOLO is part of flash process so in theory... | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | If you are unlucky and pull out cable during bootloader flash which only takes a few seconds to do :P | 11:15 |
| hrw | or your battery will die during that | 11:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I plug mine in anyway, one guy killed his by writing to the bootloader while he was booted in maemo by accident :/ | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | s/mine in anyway/plug my charger in anyway/ | 11:16 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: I plug plug my charger in anyway, one guy killed his by writing to the bootloader while he was booted in maemo by accident :/ | 11:16 |
| ralann | hey qwerty12 | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 11:16 |
| ralann | ow goes aleph one? | 11:17 |
| ralann | *how | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | I tried and tried but in the end, I can't get it to work at all. I even tried compiling with gcc 4 and that wont do it either :/ | 11:17 |
| ralann | mmmm, bummer | 11:17 |
| ralann | i may give it a wack this summer on my days off | 11:18 |
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| qwerty12 | When it looked like it was gonna work, it complains about a *.a file and I should ranlib it, I do so and it still complains :/ | 11:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Best way to start is to get the Mesa3D headers and move them manually to /usr/include/ and disable open-gl at configure time. | 11:19 |
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| ralann | yeah, that's what i thought i erad you had talked about before | 11:19 |
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| qwerty12 | Because I wasn't doing that and I had a thousand other errors too :/ | 11:19 |
| qwerty12 | Then Cptn_Fish pointed me onto it and I can't deny I got more further | 11:20 |
| ralann | i tried marathon in basklisk ii but it needs 256 colors to run and the n810 doesn't do that so i figured id be back onto the porting idea | 11:22 |
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| ralann | i was hoping it would be easier than it appears it is going to be. | 11:24 |
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| qwerty12 | I hope so too, I hope you get more far, I'm definitely not the best person. | 11:25 |
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| ralann | neither am i the best person for the task, but at a minimum i can try | 11:26 |
| ralann | anyway, goodluck if you try again, and goodnight | 11:28 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, goodnight (although it's morning here :p) | 11:28 |
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| Khertan_theReal | ralann> maybe you can try with minivmac and rom color enabled | 11:43 |
| Khertan_theReal | but i don't know if 4Mb ram is enough for marathon | 11:44 |
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| Mikho | has anyone made a program for N810 which utilizes Bluetooth? | 11:50 |
| Mikho | I'm trying to use Bluez, but can't find any example code | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | In what sense? wiicontrol is python program and it uses bluez bindings to pair and use a wii controller for example. | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | ah, just saw 2nd example | 11:51 |
| Mikho | plain C program | 11:51 |
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| kulve | Mikho: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html | 11:52 |
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| Mikho | I'm trying to run this http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices but get the following error: Failed to discover devices: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | Try with nokia. in front | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | I think :/ | 11:54 |
| Vudentz | Mikho, then hcid is not running | 11:54 |
| Mikho | the connectivity guide has total of 4 lines of help for using Bluez | 11:54 |
| kulve | Mikho: why do you want to use bluez? | 11:54 |
| kulve | Mikho: I don't think that's really supported in ITOS2008 | 11:54 |
| Mikho | according to ps aux | grep hcid it is running | 11:55 |
| Vudentz | Mikho, try sudo hcid -dnx | 11:55 |
| Mikho | I'm really starting to lose interest in using bluez | 11:55 |
| Mikho | when sudo hcid -dnx outside scratchbox: hcid[11652]: Could not become the primary owner of org.bluez | 11:56 |
| Mikho | inside scratchbox hcid[11671]: Can't connect to system message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 11:56 |
| Vudentz | Mikho, then sudo killall -9 hcid | 11:56 |
| Mikho | It seems hcid was running, and killing it and restarting it didn | 11:58 |
| Mikho | 't change much | 11:58 |
| Khertan_theReal | i have same problem using bluetooth discovering in python :( | 11:59 |
| Vudentz | Mikho, what bus are you using | 11:59 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_theReal, look into wiicontrol, jldiaz and konttori have done it | 11:59 |
| Vudentz | bluez uses system bus | 11:59 |
| Vudentz | if bluez doesn't then the bluetooth applet wouldn't work too | 12:00 |
| Vudentz | since the latter uses the first | 12:00 |
| Mikho | it says in the connectivity guide that bluetooth software of maemo is based on bluez | 12:02 |
| Mikho | so it should work | 12:02 |
| Vudentz | Mikho, put your code in a pastebin like site and paste the link here | 12:03 |
| hrw | kulve: maemo use bluez | 12:03 |
| hrw | Mikho: you try inside of scarybox? good luck then | 12:04 |
| Vudentz | my bet is that you are using session bus instead of system bus | 12:04 |
| Mikho | I don | 12:04 |
| Mikho | 't have anything else than the C example from http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices | 12:05 |
| Mikho | yes, I'm trying to run the code from inside scratchbox | 12:05 |
| hrw | Mikho: bluez started inside of scarybox? dbus started too? | 12:06 |
| Vudentz | derr, scratchbox uses qemu and it probably can't emulate bluetooth dongles | 12:06 |
| Mikho | cpu transparency is turned off for X86 targets | 12:07 |
| Mikho | I guess dbus is started, as maemo environment is running in X server alright | 12:07 |
| kulve | hrw: it still doesn't mean it provides all bluez interfaces that a "normal" linux environment with bluez does | 12:08 |
| Vudentz | then why you are using scratchbox if you target is x86 | 12:08 |
| Mikho | My intention is to switch the target when I want to install in N810 | 12:08 |
| hrw | kulve: sure - nokia could destroy it easy | 12:08 |
| Mikho | isn't that what the targets are for? | 12:09 |
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| kulve | Mikho: I find it easier to just directly use the ARM target for compiling and then copy the stuff to the device and run it there. SB is always different from the real target environment | 12:09 |
| Mikho | it's much easier to use the emulator | 12:10 |
| qwerty12 | But if it doesn't work? | 12:10 |
| hrw | Mikho: there is no full emulation of tablets in qemu | 12:10 |
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| Mikho | it's worked until now | 12:11 |
| hrw | Mikho: even the one which is now in qemu svn is not complete | 12:11 |
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| Mikho | so what you're saying that it's impossible to develop bluetooth programs in the emulator? | 12:11 |
| hrw | I wonder why you insist on using scarybox for such simple things? | 12:12 |
| hrw | Mikho: write it for your desktop, test on desktop and then build for tablet and check does it works | 12:12 |
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| kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html | 12:13 |
| kulve | "Maemo SDK is not an emulator" | 12:13 |
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| Mikho | well, so far everything has worked pretty much allright. The Xephyr window contents have been more or less the same as in N810 screen, and everything has worked the same in both | 12:17 |
| Mikho | If I just could access bluetooth from the development environment, it | 12:18 |
| Mikho | 'd be great | 12:18 |
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| RST38h | kulve: QEmu is though | 12:20 |
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| Mikho | I guess I'd somehow need to get the bluez service inside the maemo dbus | 12:21 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | qwerty | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | hello RST38h | 12:25 |
| Mikho | sure enough, the code works perfectly outside scratchbox | 12:25 |
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| RST38h | Mikho: Solution: Do not use scratchbox, debug on a real device | 12:29 |
| RST38h | [that should be in some FAQ section, because Nokia does not make it obvious for developers that scratchbox does not provide complete emulation environment] | 12:29 |
| Mikho | RST38h, is there an easy way to do that? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Mikho: install ssh server to device, compile on scratchbox, copy to device with scp, login to device with ssh and run the program | 12:30 |
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| X-Fade_ | The maemo jobs section seems to be getting alive already ;) | 12:33 |
| X-Fade_ | http://maemo.org/jobs/ | 12:33 |
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| * qwerty12 has to learn to develop and grow up :p | 12:35 | |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: And willing to move to Finland ;) | 12:35 |
| qwerty12 | Heh, I could do that :) | 12:35 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: If dollar falls for another two years, I will be willing to =) | 12:36 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Btw, this page looks terrible in IE. You may want to check that, if it is not done on purpose of course | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | It weeds out the wrong people for open source ;) :p | 12:37 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: Yeah, I noticed that too. IE messes up again ;) | 12:37 |
| RST38h | yea, that is what I suspected | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | XFade: How much are the taxes btw? | 12:39 |
| X-Fade_ | RST38h: I have no idea. | 12:39 |
| zakhary | 50% | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Ohshit | 12:39 |
| qwerty12 | Man, I thought Norway was only Nordic country with tax rates coming out of their ass | 12:40 |
| Mikho | how could you gain root access with N810? | 12:40 |
| solmumaha | and it's cold in here | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | ~easyroot | 12:40 |
| infobot | i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | heh, I live in UK. Cold doesn't surprise me. | 12:40 |
| zakhary | depends on how much you earn | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | solm: not colder than here | 12:41 |
| zakhary | http://www.vero.fi/default.asp?language=ENG&domain=VERO_ENGLISH | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | Ooh, they have Russian too. I wonder how much Russians go to Finland :/ | 12:41 |
| solmumaha | RST38h: where is that? | 12:41 |
| kulve | Mikho: ssh | 12:42 |
| hrw | someone remember which public stations are best for linuxtag? | 12:42 |
| RST38h | solm: Moscow | 12:42 |
| RST38h | qwerty: A lot | 12:42 |
| RST38h | At least judging from our last visit a few years ago | 12:42 |
| Mikho | qwerty12, easyroot worked perfectly. thanks! | 12:43 |
| zakhary | 40ke/year income would be 26,5% | 12:43 |
| RST38h | zakh: that is without dependents? | 12:43 |
| zakhary | I only filled yearly income to the calculator | 12:44 |
| RST38h | language seems to be more of a problem than weather though | 12:45 |
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| Mikho | all right, the example code works in N810 too | 12:46 |
| RST38h | 28% for singles in 100-150k bracket | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | Isn't that bad really | 12:48 |
| RST38h | (unless there is some OTHER tax not included into this form) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | No, wrong, 51% | 12:49 |
| solmumaha | well we have all sort of taxes | 12:49 |
| solmumaha | i'm sure they'll start to collect gps tax soon :) | 12:50 |
| RST38h | in principle, they should start with UK on that =) | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | Agreed, we have a shitload of taxes :/ | 12:50 |
| zakhary | 100ke is 38,5%, and 51% for bonuses and if you go over 100k annually | 12:50 |
| zakhary | that form should include everything | 12:51 |
| RST38h | that is single, no children though | 12:51 |
| RST38h | I guess it gets a bit better if you have got a family | 12:51 |
| zakhary | language not a problem, ppl understand english | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Taxes = incentive to get some :p | 12:51 |
| RST38h | zakhary: yes, but what language children will speak? | 12:52 |
| zakhary | your children if you move? they can go to an english speaking school | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Still, it is either isolation or learning Finnish (which looks HARD) | 12:54 |
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| glass | most exchange students etc don't bother to learn finnish at all | 12:55 |
| kulve | suomi on helppoa kuin mikä | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | I only understood first word :/ | 12:55 |
| X-Fade_ | kulve: I guess that is Findland's second language. | 12:55 |
| kulve | english being the first? | 12:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Ehm I meant "I guess there is also Finland's second language" | 12:56 |
| X-Fade_ | Being Swedish.. | 12:56 |
| RST38h | There should be a third one, right? | 12:57 |
| X-Fade_ | Lappish? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | yea, right | 12:57 |
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| kulve | and savoish | 12:57 |
| X-Fade_ | Ruski? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Russian probably does not qualify | 12:58 |
| X-Fade_ | Finland has been occupied by a lot of countries ;) | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Just two | 12:58 |
| RST38h | If we discount Germany of course | 12:58 |
| Mikho | finland occupied by germany? | 12:59 |
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| RST38h | Well, was it considered occupation or friendly annexation in WWI? | 12:59 |
| RST38h | WWII, sorry | 12:59 |
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| solmumaha | they just didn't want to leave | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia is so vain : http://www.mattigronroos.fi/Tiet/Vt3_TampereE.jpg | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 13:00 |
| solmumaha | so we ran them out, but they did manage to get santa :( | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | (yes, I know Nokia is town) | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | solmumaha: As long as they got molested by Rudolph the reindeer at the end... | 13:04 |
| hrw | RST38h: but even if Finland was with Germany during ww2 they tried to not make russia angry too much | 13:04 |
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| Mikho | nice! I got bluetooth working inside scratchbox | 13:04 |
| RST38h | hrw: well, they just had a satisfactory war with Russia | 13:04 |
| Mikho | it seems the automatically launched hcid interfered with the hcid launched inside scratchbox | 13:05 |
| RST38h | hrw: Finns won, Russians reduced the border length, each side took their corpses and walked away happy | 13:05 |
| hrw | RST38h: during Lenningrad siege Finns do not helped Germans and tried to not make problems for Russian trucks with supplies | 13:06 |
| RST38h | hrw: Afaik they could not, for geographic reasons, but I may be wrong | 13:06 |
| RST38h | One way or another, the subject never came up | 13:07 |
| Mikho | Vudentz, thanks for the tip | 13:07 |
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| Vudentz | Mikho, no problem | 13:10 |
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| jumpula | afaik there was some pressure for the german leadership to attack leningrad, but mannerheim (the supreme commander of the finnish army) refused up to the end | 13:15 |
| jumpula | which, i guess, partly convinced staling that finland is in the end mostly harmless and more trouble than it's worth.. | 13:16 |
| jumpula | *stalin | 13:16 |
| RST38h | the guy was an officer in Russian Imperial Army =) | 13:16 |
| RST38h | anyways, lunch time | 13:17 |
| jumpula | yes | 13:17 |
| jumpula | and he did fight for russian empire in his time, too :) | 13:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone have a libgsl compiled already for ARM/Maemo? Would save me a shitload of time :/ | 13:32 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: I think I've compiled that before, I just took the standard debian source package | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, but no matter, I've compiled it now and packaged up the cvs version :) | 13:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12: it was before the time of extras (well of easyish access to extras) | 13:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12: push it to extras ;) | 13:54 |
| qwerty12 | Adding stuff to extras scares me & I'm sure I've versioned it wrong :/ | 13:54 |
| lardman | I know the feeling :) | 13:55 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Try to upload it to the autobuilder ;) | 13:58 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade_, Where is that? | 13:58 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: We can always use more testers :D | 13:58 |
| keesj | X-Fade_: let me first write software | 13:58 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Try the assistant for example. | 13:59 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, it sounds cool but where is step 2? :p | 13:59 |
| X-Fade_ | I guess you don't have rights yet? | 14:00 |
| X-Fade_ | It should tell you where to get those. | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | I think my cookies are messing up, it says I am logged in but another page says I am not. Trying in Opera... | 14:01 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: It uses the garage cookie, I guess. | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, trying again :/ | 14:03 |
| RST38h | back | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | I logged into garage and I still only get step 1. | 14:04 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: What does it say in the yellow bubble? | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | Don't get a yellow bubble :/ | 14:04 |
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| qwerty12 | The moblock is disabled and it does in firefox and opera (no ad blocking things installed) | 14:05 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: And now? :) | 14:07 |
| Khertan_theReal | arg .... i ve lost my gpg private key again ! | 14:07 |
| Khertan_theReal | pfff | 14:07 |
| qwerty12 | Still the same :/. I'll try logging in again (thanks btw :)) | 14:07 |
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| Khertan_theReal | maemo maintainer will finish by hating me to ask again and again invite ... | 14:08 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Nah, reload the page now? | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | Wait, it's working! | 14:08 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 14:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: That would be me ;) | 14:08 |
| Khertan_theReal | lol :) | 14:08 |
| Khertan_theReal | i ve receive a mail from another person too ... how many are you ? | 14:09 |
| * X-Fade_ thinks khertan needs public flogging ;) | 14:09 | |
| * Khertan_theReal thinks ... bah ... this my fault :) | 14:10 | |
| Khertan_theReal | yes yes yes again ! | 14:10 |
| Khertan_theReal | :) | 14:10 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: invitation is on the way. | 14:10 |
| Khertan_theReal | thx | 14:10 |
| Khertan_theReal | now i ll test my backup tool before :) | 14:10 |
| * qwerty12 hates having to do dirty hacks to package programs :/ | 14:11 | |
| X-Fade_ | But please, this must be the 10th time orso. | 14:11 |
| Khertan_theReal | why do u make dirty hack | 14:11 |
| Khertan_theReal | X-Fade_> yes this should be 11 if i remember ... | 14:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Some programs compile fine with ./configure & make but when dpkg-buildpackage tries ,it messes it up totally so I stop it from cleaning the package. And just now, I made a package by symlinking to it's old name :/ | 14:12 |
| Khertan_theReal | the first third key was made with an algo that can"t be used from a nit | 14:12 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: I ported a few libs by just grabbing the debian source package, set myself as maintainer and make a source package to upload to the builder. | 14:12 |
| qwerty12 | Brilliant, I've already compiled gsl now and I've versioned that wrong so I won't upload that one :/ | 14:13 |
| Khertan_theReal | X-Fade_ > your auto builder is publicly available now ? | 14:13 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: Sure, to more testers the better. | 14:13 |
| Khertan_theReal | grat ! | 14:13 |
| Khertan_theReal | great ! | 14:13 |
| X-Fade_ | Khertan_theReal: You now also get status mails. | 14:13 |
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| Khertan_theReal | i ll try it with gtksourceview :) | 14:14 |
| Khertan_theReal | ill go eating ... | 14:14 |
| Khertan_theReal | brb | 14:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone know the right values for -march and -mtune? | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej-s | 14:18 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 14:19 |
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| lardman | Right I'm off, see some of you in Berlin | 14:24 |
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| X-Fade_ | I still have some free LinuxTag tickets left, anyone interested? | 14:25 |
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| Zombie3 | greetings programmers | 15:02 |
| Zombie3 | there's a bunch of patches for dbus-glib in https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/dbus-glib/debian/ | 15:02 |
| Zombie3 | is Kimmo or whoever around? | 15:02 |
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| Zombie3 | I'm here to nag people to report those upstream to Debian/D-Bus | 15:03 |
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| Robot101 | Zombie3: a few of them are from upstream anyway | 15:04 |
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| Zombie3 | not the one I just bumped into in Debian, and the Debian and D-Bus guys don't seem to know about them | 15:04 |
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| Robot101 | 08-fix-pending-call-remove.patch looks like it causes leaks | 15:05 |
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| Jaffa | Aww, how sweet - Darius is posting his CV to maemo-dev asking for a job at Nokia :-) | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and he's "already contacted Chairman of the Board at Nokia, ...@ | 15:19 |
| X-Fade_ | Lol ;) | 15:19 |
| RST38h | show me show me | 15:19 |
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| * RST38h is bored, testing stuff | 15:19 | |
| Jaffa | RST38h: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/033506.html | 15:20 |
| RST38h | thanks =) | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | I'm fairly sure most of his content is drivel, but it's so hard to read I'm not entirely sure | 15:20 |
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| X-Fade_ | I'm thinking we just have to add a html filter to the mailinglist and be done with it ;) | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | Wants to be a think tank | 15:22 |
| X-Fade_ | But he now signs with this 'real name' ;) | 15:22 |
| RST38h | So, any bets whether it is the weed or the mushrooms? | 15:22 |
| RST38h | "But I am afraid, Nokia has no department I could negotiate IP transfer with, | 15:23 |
| RST38h | as no Think-Tank position is established" | 15:23 |
| GAN800 | He's so cute! | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | He's abusing substances, that is for sure | 15:24 |
| RST38h | OR he is a high school student | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade_ | English is not his first language. | 15:25 |
| RST38h | not mine either | 15:25 |
| Khertan_TheReal | re | 15:26 |
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| * GAN800 wants a Darius Think-Tank. | 15:27 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | huhu with have an flood at my work in the server room | 15:27 |
| RST38h | GAN: Maybe to participate in a battle-bot contest? | 15:27 |
| GAN800 | Go play in the puddles! | 15:27 |
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| GAN800 | Bingo, RST38h! :D | 15:28 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | the community is in permanent competition ??? | 15:29 |
| Khertan_TheReal | where does it see that ? | 15:29 |
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| * GAN800 challemges Khertan to a duel. | 15:29 | |
| Khertan_TheReal | a duel ? | 15:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i choose sword ... | 15:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | choose your weapon ... | 15:31 |
| Khertan_TheReal | :) | 15:31 |
| summatusmentis | so... _hopefull_ my N810 will come today | 15:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | oh ! i understand it talk about this : http://maemo.org/profile/list/ | 15:33 |
| Khertan_TheReal | s/it/he | 15:33 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | buries 7.5 | 15:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | favourites 2 | 15:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hum ... | 15:35 |
| pupnik | RST38h: what sound backend do you use for iNES? | 15:35 |
| pupnik | speaking of CV's, /me thinks RST38h's cv is awesome | 15:37 |
| * pupnik is turning into a bit of a fanboi | 15:37 | |
| pupnik | (a symptom of not being productive myself perhaps) | 15:38 |
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| * GAN800 chooses a Howitzer. | 15:44 | |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: I must update mine, since I'm meeting with Head of HR tomorrow after moaning a bit about being underappreciated on my evaluation | 15:46 |
| RST38h | pupnik: EMULib SndUnix hacked to use ESD | 15:46 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: The source code can be found inside ColEm src distro | 15:46 |
| * RST38h never really worked on his CV, it just happened that way, sorry | 15:47 | |
| RST38h | pupnik: It will play arbitrary waveform buffer or do Sound(Channel,Frequency,Volume) thing | 15:47 |
| GAN800 | By the bye, Jaffa, did you notice #3161? :D | 15:48 |
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| hrw | I removed my CV long time ago | 16:10 |
| hrw | now I mostly point to my resume and linkedin | 16:10 |
| summatusmentis | how does a CV and resume differ? | 16:12 |
| summatusmentis | s/does/do/ | 16:12 |
| infobot | summatusmentis meant: how do a CV and resume differ? | 16:12 |
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| RST38h | summa: European CV = American resume | 16:16 |
| RST38h | CV usually includes more personal details | 16:16 |
| andre___ | yupp, my CV includes more personal info than my resumé - probably a cultural thingy | 16:17 |
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| hrw | summatusmentis: my resume is technical - nothing personal, just knowledge and where did I worked | 16:19 |
| hrw | that stuff | 16:19 |
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| dakylla | hi there | 16:23 |
| dakylla | whare can i download maemo garage source code, if tehre are any | 16:24 |
| summatusmentis | personal info? like, what your interests/hobbies/etc. are? | 16:24 |
| GAN8001 | dakylla, for a garage project or for the garage itself? | 16:24 |
| dakylla | the garage itself | 16:25 |
| hrw | dakylla: thats gforge | 16:26 |
| hrw | summatusmentis: that sort | 16:26 |
| dakylla | ok, i did not know | 16:26 |
| dakylla | and what about the project webpage ? | 16:26 |
| dakylla | i read somewhere the source where available too | 16:27 |
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| dakylla | im asking cause we have a project a creating an open wireless board, and we would like not to start from level 0 | 16:28 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: yeah, saw that: woohoo :-) | 16:39 |
| GAN8001 | We'll see if anything actually gets rolling Nokia side, though. | 16:39 |
| GAN8001 | At least we have a place to put stuff. | 16:39 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed | 16:40 |
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| VRe | nice, hello-world-app does not compile in scratchbox installed with maemo-4.0.1 -scripts .. config.sub points to cs2005q3.2-glibc and cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 is installed by default | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | summa: more like details on schools and activities | 16:57 |
| RST38h | too much peronal stuff is harmful, especially in a resume | 16:57 |
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| summatusmentis | RST38h: yeah, that makes sense | 17:01 |
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| johnx | hey qwerty12 :D | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | hello johnx :) | 17:53 |
| johnx | quiet in here tonight O_o | 17:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Yeah :/ and for me, it's only afternoon :/ | 17:54 |
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| johnx | well it's night here, but I just got off work :/ | 17:55 |
| summatusmentis | hopefully my N810 comes, and then I can bug you guys | 17:55 |
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| johnx | so what other linuxy ARM system do you have. I see you on #angstrom from time to time :) | 17:55 |
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| * qwerty12 has a Pocket PC with Linux, does that count? :p | 17:56 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, sure, which one? | 17:56 |
| summatusmentis | me? I've got a 3200, and a 5500, Zaurus | 17:56 |
| johnx | heh...similar purchasing habbits to me :D | 17:57 |
| johnx | collie -> akita -> n800 | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX. I use Linux in the loosest sense as I have to reformat flash each time to use it :D | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | *Pocket Loox 720 | 17:57 |
| summatusmentis | I'm probably selling my terrier, so I can justify my n810 | 17:57 |
| johnx | ah | 17:57 |
| summatusmentis | although, we'll see :) | 17:57 |
| * qwerty12 goes off to modify latest diablo image :/ | 17:58 | |
| summatusmentis | I'd like to get collie viable again | 17:58 |
| johnx | different for me I guess since my n800 has no physical included keyboard | 17:58 |
| johnx | me too. :/ | 17:58 |
| johnx | collie was such a nice form factor | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, that would make the difference to me | 17:58 |
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| summatusmentis | it could be such a nice device, if ithe 2.6 effort would speed up | 17:58 |
| summatusmentis | know anything about kernel hacking? | 17:59 |
| johnx | nah | 17:59 |
| johnx | not even much about regular hacking | 17:59 |
| summatusmentis | well, that's no fun :) Me neither, hopefully at the end of the summer I will though, because otherwise google won't pay me | 17:59 |
| johnx | ah | 17:59 |
| * qwerty12 knows a bit about hacking the N800 but when it comes to programming or disassembling, thats when I run :p | 17:59 | |
| johnx | summatusmentis, nothing like sink or swim to motivate you, eh? | 18:00 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: I guess so... I kinda jumped in, got accepted, and then decided I should've picked a different project :) | 18:00 |
| johnx | qwerty12, does that "boot from usb hard drive" thing work?! O_o | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, don't have a usb adapter to try it with | 18:02 |
| johnx | ah, sadness | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | The original initfs (ie unmodified) has the same option too | 18:02 |
| johnx | I guess I should be a guinea pig then | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Just no menu to select it with | 18:02 |
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| qwerty12 | (set-root-device:sda or usb should do it though) | 18:03 |
| johnx | I suppose so since everything is actually in the kernel | 18:03 |
| johnx | I guess I'm used to zaurus altboot | 18:03 |
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| summatusmentis | is the n8x0 series similar enough to a zaurus boot sequence? | 18:04 |
| summatusmentis | how easy would it be to port altboot to maemo? | 18:04 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, that's what bootmenu does | 18:04 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 18:04 |
| summatusmentis | :) | 18:04 |
| johnx | bootmenu seems quite a bit simpler too | 18:04 |
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| * qwerty12 uses a modified bootmenu | 18:05 | |
| summatusmentis | well, from what i understand from CoreDump, altboot was a bit hackish anyway, as it's not a bootloader | 18:05 |
| johnx | neither is bootmenu | 18:05 |
| johnx | both are just tools to pivot_root and run an alternate initfs | 18:05 |
| johnx | s/initfs/init/ | 18:05 |
| infobot | johnx meant: both are just tools to pivot_root and run an alternate init | 18:05 |
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| summatusmentis | oh... I should learn what I'm talking about before I just start spitting words out of my mouth | 18:06 |
| johnx | nah...you're mostly on the right track | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, choosing to boot from another source is actually a feature of the original initfs. Fanoush made it into a menu and some other stuff (mmcblk files etc) | 18:06 |
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| * qwerty12 is so glad I took the time to find out the diablo password | 18:09 | |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: is there a reason to run diablo over.... chinook(?) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, I'm running initfs version 2008-20, latest is 2008-21. | 18:09 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, bug fixes :/ | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Not really :/ | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | newer flash is great though | 18:10 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: big bugs? | 18:10 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: what do you mean? | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | Well, it can actually play videos of youtube now | 18:10 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, small annoying bugs | 18:10 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: fair enough, but bugs that manifest themselves pretty often. | 18:11 |
| johnx | yeah | 18:11 |
| johnx | some browser text input stuff | 18:11 |
| johnx | probably doesn't affect the n810 much since it has a hardware keyboard | 18:12 |
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| summatusmentis | h | 18:12 |
| summatusmentis | ah* | 18:12 |
| * qwerty12 instantly notices lag after modprobeing mtd2ram with 88MB :/ | 18:13 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, I'd be interested to hear if it works with a smaller value, like 10MB or so | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I tried total_size=65536 but it wouldn't work but I wasn't sure what I was doing then. | 18:14 |
| Khertan_TheReal | ah | 18:14 |
| Khertan_TheReal | home connection drops .... | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | I know for sure I wouldn't have been able to do this on my old computer :p | 18:15 |
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| lopz | hi | 18:16 |
| * qwerty12 has it. The latest initfs mounted. (BTW: I can share a tarball if you don't have the memory, time whatever to mount it) | 18:16 | |
| qwerty12 | You don't need a truckload of memory to run mkfs.jffs2 | 18:17 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, nah. I'm happy for now. I don't really want to tempt fate here since I use my n800 every day | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:18 |
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| johnx | maybe I'll poke at it on thursday when I have some time | 18:18 |
| Navi_ | Woo, tempting fate \o/ | 18:18 |
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| johnx | heeey, fate! yeah that's right, over here. *lightning strikes* | 18:19 |
| Navi_ | awesome | 18:19 |
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| * qwerty12 really hopes fanoush or pancake reverse engineers CAL | 18:19 | |
| qwerty12 | Best I can do with CAL = http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png | 18:20 |
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| johnx | you mean just edit the version string? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, but CAL stores so much more | 18:23 |
| johnx | such as? | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | RD flags, MAC address etc - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20465 | 18:23 |
| johnx | iiiinteresting | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | WLAN channels are there too | 18:24 |
| johnx | fun | 18:24 |
| johnx | do you know if CAL sets that stuff or wlancond? | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | wlancond will get values from CAL | 18:24 |
| johnx | ok, I'll shut up and RTFM now :) | 18:24 |
| * johnx reads the thread | 18:24 | |
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| johnx | huh | 18:27 |
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| johnx | I'm glad debian doesn't have to pay attention to wlancond/CAL | 18:27 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade_, ping. | 18:28 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, linuxrc is same. Much less work for qwerty | 18:30 |
| hrw | ok - I go to linuxtag | 18:30 |
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| johnx | have fun, hrw :) | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Show off N800 emulation :) | 18:31 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Yep. | 18:31 |
| GAN8001 | Need some retardation assistance with Downloads. | 18:31 |
| GAN8001 | Trying to create a listing for Advanced Backlight | 18:31 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: that would require taking laptop with me | 18:31 |
| GAN8001 | It's not in Extras yet, so what to put for the .install? | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | hrw, Ah :) | 18:31 |
| hrw | qwerty12: I plan to take only required stuff - laptop is not one of those | 18:32 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8001: A link to a .install file, or put the info in editable .install. | 18:32 |
| hrw | n810 with maemo-mapper filled with berlin maps +_ garnet-vm with metro | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | hrw, nice | 18:33 |
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| pupnik | thank you RST38h i will like to look at that later sometime. feeling very weak atm | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | GAN8001, Your package needs to be in a repo before an install file is of any use | 18:33 |
| GAN8001 | Right, it's not in a repo, so where do I point to the .deb? | 18:34 |
| pupnik | communication breakdown? | 18:34 |
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| pupnik | GAN8001: just host the .deb somewhere until you put it in repo | 18:35 |
| GAN8001 | lol | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Or turn your garage page into a repo :p | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | The mytube guy does that :/ | 18:35 |
| pupnik | whoah | 18:35 |
| GAN8001 | So I'm creating an entry for Advanced Backlight, I don't see a field for a link to a .deb | 18:35 |
| GAN8001 | just the .install | 18:35 |
| pupnik | i keep reading GANBOOl | 18:35 |
| GAN8001 | So where do I put the link to the .deb? | 18:35 |
| pupnik | on a webpage? | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | Rather, an entry for Downloads. | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | I'd say leave it out (from what I know, its optional) and set the homepage to the deb and edit the page when you have it in a repo | 18:36 |
| pupnik | sorry i'm not understanding | 18:36 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Well, a bad hack is to add the link to the deb in the .install field ;) | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | OK, that's what the theme guys seem to do | 18:36 |
| GAN8001 | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | That, for example. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade_ | But it is better to just upload it to extras ;) | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | konttori! :O | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | X-Fade_, rm_you's job | 18:37 |
| GAN8001 | and he's lazy. | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 18:37 |
| johnx | GAN800, as rm_you's representative I authorize you to do it :D | 18:38 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8001: Presure him :D | 18:38 |
| GAN8001 | Whew, communications breakdown for sure, pupnik. Glad that's cleared up. :P | 18:38 |
| johnx | if he gets cranky over it, tell him it's my fault | 18:38 |
| GAN8001 | I have been | 18:38 |
| GAN8001 | I'm the official Developer Annoyer for Advanced Backlight. ;) | 18:38 |
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| * qwerty12 hopes rm_you gets round to doing some of those todo's... | 18:39 | |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade_, is the any documentation on the Downloads submission process? I'd like to have two pages (or one page) that I can throw at developers when they do things like creating their own repos. Got the one for Extras, but I haven't seen anything for Downloads. | 18:40 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again | 18:42 |
| X-Fade_ | GAN8001: There is this: https://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/ | 18:42 |
| X-Fade_ | But it needs updating ;) | 18:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | how can i debug a problem with an app that work when launched from xterm and not from program menu ? | 18:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | i suppose that it s a problem with .desktop | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_n810, You aren't using DBUS by any chance are you? | 18:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | but don't see why | 18:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | app have a d-bus services file | 18:44 |
| X-Fade_ | bbl, need to do some last minute shopping :) | 18:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | file seems the same as my other file | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Check if everything is right. I made a dodgy dbus setup and after 15 seconds, the app would crap out on me | 18:44 |
| Khertan_n810 | s/file/app | 18:44 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s seems right but i think it just a simple thing i ven t see (many time) | 18:45 |
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| hrw | ok - first maemo talk in on thursday 12:00? | 18:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i m a bit tired to read it again and again :) | 18:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s why i ask if there is a log somewhere | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | *cough* is sisusbvga.ko the name of the module by Graham Cobb for his USB VGA thing? | 18:48 |
| GAN8001 | Likely | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Seems like Nokia have been a little naughty then :p | 18:50 |
| GAN8001 | Hmm? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | They have included it in Diablo initfs | 18:51 |
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| Jaffa | No, it's a normal Linux driver | 18:57 |
| Jaffa | It's good they've included it | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, cool, thanks | 18:58 |
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| qwerty12 | well, my latest rip of the latest diablo initfs works. But my CAL is one flash away from corrupting: "RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.21-4_PR_MR0�����{�| | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | " | 19:04 |
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| hrw|gone | qwerty12: fiasco image?? give me ;D | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | no fiasco image, sorry :p | 19:09 |
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| * qwerty12 really should run 0xffff sometime to make a rootfs... | 19:10 | |
| forge | :) | 19:10 |
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| hrw|gone | qwerty12: install diablo, remove crap (videos etc) and share rootfs ;) | 19:12 |
| * hrw|gone -> really away now | 19:12 | |
| qwerty12 | hrw|gone, Toooo late for that | 19:12 |
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| * qwerty12 starts making moblock packages for maemo. Seeing as we have transmission and gtk-gnutella thanks to pipeline... | 19:12 | |
| Khertan_n810 | this .desktop will make me crazy ! | 19:12 |
| GAN800 | How would that be any different from redistributing the repo packages? | 19:12 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't plan on distributing the rootfs | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | Licensing issues there, you wont avoid a take down doing that. | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | you would still need linux/mac to flash a rootfs anyway :/ | 19:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | can i reproduce the program menu launch process from xterm ? | 19:17 |
| MangoFusion | just got a new iphone today | 19:17 |
| MangoFusion | http://www.cuppadev.co.uk/2008/05/27/nPhone.jpg | 19:17 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 19:18 |
| johnx | heh | 19:18 |
| MangoFusion | </sad joke> | 19:18 |
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| johnx | I always forget how comparitively low the iphone screen res is | 19:18 |
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| GAN800 | Hehe | 19:19 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | MangoFusion, poor thing's trapped in your N800 (or is it, your poor N800 has an iPhone trapped in it? :D). | 19:20 |
| MangoFusion | hahaha | 19:20 |
| johnx | GAN800, they'll have to operate | 19:20 |
| johnx | how that iphone got in there, we'll never know O_o | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | 'I slipped and fell' | 19:21 |
| MangoFusion | through the wonders of vnc | 19:21 |
| Fatal | in case of turtleneck accident, break n800? | 19:21 |
| GAN800 | or "It was a million to one shot, Doc--million to one!" | 19:21 |
| johnx | "Well i had a couple beers...and then I woke up and there it was!" | 19:22 |
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| Navi | amazing | 19:25 |
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| MangoFusion | bit too slow over vnc to see all the snazzy effects though | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n810 | raw pdflush problem again !!!! | 19:30 |
| Navi | MangoFusion, your N800 needs to be checked | 19:30 |
| Navi | It has a nasty virus on it | 19:30 |
| MangoFusion | really? i thought IT's couldn't get viruses! ;) | 19:30 |
| Navi | Apparently, it can | 19:31 |
| Navi | Your N800 has an iPhone on it | 19:31 |
| Navi | scan it immediately | 19:31 |
| MangoFusion | what with? can you recommend anything? | 19:31 |
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| Navi | norton antivirus is the only thing powerful enough to remove an iPhone | 19:32 |
| Navi | you must beg them for an N800 port | 19:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is virus for n800 metalayer-crawler and an other on that make pdflush eating your cpu ! | 19:32 |
| MangoFusion | shit. does that mean i'll have to install windows? | 19:32 |
| GAN800 | Norton wont do it. I recommend hyrdochloric acid. | 19:32 |
| Navi | spellfail | 19:33 |
| GAN800 | Evidently. | 19:33 |
| GAN800 | I blame this 'keyboard'. :P | 19:33 |
| Navi | Oh, complaining about the nippleboards again? | 19:33 |
| Navi | at home again? | 19:33 |
| GAN800 | Nah, finger keyboards. | 19:33 |
| Navi | ah | 19:33 |
| GAN800 | Haven't left. | 19:34 |
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| briand | 3 | 20:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | 4 | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | wtf | 20:07 |
| GAN8001 | It's the counting game. | 20:07 |
| GAN8001 | 5 | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | 7 | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | 7 | 20:08 |
| andre____ | *meep* | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | 8 | 20:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | u lost | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | >.< | 20:08 |
| GAN8001 | Everybody get out your machetes. Time to kill qwerty12. :P | 20:08 |
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| Khertan_n810 | hum ... u loose | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | aiiiiiiiiiiiiii | 20:08 |
| * Khertan_n810 equip his double axe | 20:09 | |
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| RST38h | Have I missed a massacre? | 20:11 |
| * Mousey is ded | 20:11 | |
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| Khertan_n810 | bye | 20:12 |
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| jaska | http://failblog.org/2008/05/27/ax-murderer-fail/ hitchhiking to qwerty | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_... | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know why powerpoint wont handle mjpg movies from my camera? | 20:21 |
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| penguinbait | I am looking for a tool to show me the disk size, not partitions but the disk itself, any suggestions? | 20:22 |
| glass | lcuk: windows missing codec? | 20:23 |
| GAN8001 | lcuk, powerpointfail? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i can play them in media player fine | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | but gan is right, powerpoint fails | 20:23 |
| * GAN8001 really wants somebody to try USB2VGA for a presentation at LInuxTag. :P | 20:24 | |
| GAN8001 | penguinbait, commandline or gui? | 20:24 |
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| penguinbait | command line | 20:24 |
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| penguinbait | nevermind, found a way | 20:28 |
| penguinbait | lshal | 20:29 |
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| SimoHillo | echo | 20:41 |
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| eocanha | hi | 20:43 |
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| eocanha | is here someone being a package mantainer in Extras repository? | 20:44 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade_ | 20:46 |
| GAN8001 | He's prepping for LinuxTag at the moment (as far as I'm aware, anyway), so he'll probably be a little hard to get ahold of for the next 5 days or so. | 20:46 |
| eocanha | (I mean someone having published a package there, not the one who gives access rights) | 20:48 |
| mza- | prolly the wrong place to ask | 20:49 |
| mza- | anyone know if the E71 will have UMA? | 20:49 |
| GAN8001 | Yes, there are a number of people in here who maintain packages in Extras. | 20:49 |
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| eocanha | I'm reading the instructions at http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/ | 20:50 |
| eocanha | and they say: Change to SDK_PC target: 'sb-conf select SDK_PC' | 20:50 |
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| eocanha | and I was wondering if that really refers to CHINOOK_X86 | 20:51 |
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| eocanha | Someone has just told me that I'm right: they are referring to CHINOOK_X86 and CHINOOK_ARMEL | 20:52 |
| eocanha | thanks. | 20:52 |
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| fnordianslip | hi all. just (re)installed scratchbox via synaptic on Ubuntu Guyst. Last time, had to use /scratchbox/login - now seems I just prefix commands with "sb2" | 20:56 |
| fnordianslip | is that notmal ??? | 20:56 |
| fnordianslip | normal, even ... | 20:56 |
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| penguinbait | can someone else test this on their tablet `expr 2000000000 + 1` | 21:04 |
| penguinbait | and `expr 4000000000 + 1` | 21:05 |
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| TPC | pH5, sure | 21:15 |
| TPC | er | 21:15 |
| TPC | penguinbait, sure | 21:15 |
| pH5 | TPC: thanks for the assurance though | 21:15 |
| TPC | first one gives 2000000001 second one gives -2147483648 | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | yeah thats what I got too | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | its broken | 21:16 |
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| penguinbait | I guess I need to include my own in the package | 21:16 |
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| penguinbait | stupid busybox | 21:16 |
| tich | hey man thanks for the cloner deb | 21:19 |
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| penguinbait | no prob | 21:22 |
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| gnuton | hi there | 21:32 |
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| kimrhh | hi, does anyone know what driver in the linux kernel that is supposed to pick up the N810 when you plug it into the USB port? | 21:54 |
| kulve | some usb gadget driver? (the storage thing?) | 21:54 |
| pH5 | usb_storage (as long as g_file_storage is loaded on the n810) | 21:54 |
| kimrhh | the device should be turned on when you want to flash it? | 21:55 |
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| kulve | kimrhh: flash the fiasco? Turn off, plug the cable, run the flasher, turn on | 21:57 |
| kimrhh | kulve: well, to be able to flash anything I would expect my Linux OS needs to find the device first? | 21:57 |
| kimrhh | i'm not running ubuntu or Debian, so I need something specific :) like, what kernel version works with it | 21:58 |
| kimrhh | i'm getting "[-813283440]: host clock rate change request 78 -> 141" and similar in dmesg | 21:59 |
| kimrhh | when I plug it in | 21:59 |
| kulve | looks odd.. | 21:59 |
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| kulve | but the kernel in the device is never started when flashing, so the device doesn't do anything comples (like show up as a mass storage device) | 22:00 |
| kulve | s,comples,complex, | 22:00 |
| kimrhh | so it should be turned off when you use the flasher tool? the guides doesn't really mention that :) | 22:00 |
| timely | heh | 22:01 |
| timely | the windows flasher makes it *very* clear | 22:01 |
| timely | it also specifies unplugged | 22:01 |
| timely | because while it's plugged in, it isn't actually off | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | windows flasher sucks. I also have to install bb5 drivers :p | 22:01 |
| pupnik_ | hi lcuk where ru | 22:03 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 gets to dumping my rootfs | 22:04 | |
| kimrhh | timely: ok :) | 22:06 |
| GAN8001 | How many of you have had the dubious pleasure of actually using a iPhone Safari? I hadn't really invested time in it until today . . . goddamn does it suck compared to MicroB. <_< | 22:06 |
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| pupnik_ | nice to hear GAN8001 | 22:09 |
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| kimrhh | timely: it should be turned on, right after one have started the flasher tool :) | 22:11 |
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| timely | yeah that's explained in the windows flasher :) | 22:13 |
| GAN8001 | The hardware dpad (corrects to "road" <_<) is such an unbelievable blessing. | 22:14 |
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| GAN8001 | kimrhh, most of the guides I've seen mention that fact. | 22:15 |
| GAN8001 | If you're worried about battery, you can always turn it ON using the charger. Just make sure USB is plugged in, hold down Home/Swap and plug in the charger. | 22:16 |
| GAN8001 | Works the same as if you had turned it on using the power button for the purposes of charging. | 22:17 |
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| disq | anybody having problems with tinymail/imap (gmail) attempting to download all the headers instead of the latest 50/100/whatever? | 22:17 |
| timely | disq: err, i thought all imap clients were that stupid | 22:17 |
| timely | do you actually know of *any* that aren't? | 22:18 |
| timely | they typically do an initial message index retrieval | 22:18 |
| timely | which for my imap mailbox actually historically killed the imap server ;) (oom) | 22:18 |
| disq | i got 5.2 gigs of a message archive on my gmail account | 22:18 |
| disq | 3000+ headers | 22:19 |
| timely | not many messages | 22:19 |
| timely | You are currently using 2321 MB (34%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 50 of 172129 <- that's my medium sized gmailbox | 22:20 |
| disq | but i don't want to see the listview cluttered with headers from 2006 and 2005 | 22:20 |
| disq | 1-50 of 10068 here | 22:20 |
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| timely | You are currently using 2903 MB (42%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 100 of 546446 <- large gmailbox | 22:21 |
| timely | i also have a non gmail box which is a couple of gbs | 22:21 |
| disq | You are currently using 5227 MB (20%) of your 25600 MB. <- larger in size but not in message count | 22:21 |
| timely | imap clients just don't handle such mailboxes very well :) | 22:21 |
| timely | actually, nor do file systems | 22:22 |
| timely | maildir is about the dumbest thing imaginable for a mailbox like mine :) | 22:22 |
| disq | yeah | 22:23 |
| GAN800 | tinely, while you're about, is there a simple explanation for the 'Connecting...' status bar that sometimes bounces back and forth for about 10-20 seconds before getting on with actually loading the page? | 22:24 |
| GAN800 | s/tinely/timely/ | 22:27 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: timely, while you're about, is there a simple explanation for the 'Connecting...' status bar that sometimes bounces back and forth for about 10-20 seconds before getting on with actually loading the page? | 22:27 |
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| timely | GAN800: it might be a dns request... | 22:30 |
| timely | not sure offhand | 22:30 |
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| GAN8001 | Hmm, maybe. It crops up for me every once and a while and I usually cycle the wifi connection with good results (though I've been paying less than perfect attention to it). A lot of people seem to run into it, though. | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, im here just about | 22:33 |
| lcuk | you can't be poorly! | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | question: oo.org powerpoint thiny doesnt handle movies does it? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | thingy | 22:38 |
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| GAN8001 | Ha, who put this in the quips? "No really, it's _intentionally_ broken by design." | 22:39 |
| * lcuk has broken his laptop | 22:40 | |
| lcuk | that wasnt intentional | 22:40 |
| GAN8001 | Your new one? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | my second user one i got instead of wasting money on an eee | 22:41 |
| lcuk | eee woulda fit as well | 22:41 |
| lcuk | my god, chaos in 6 hours | 22:42 |
| GAN8001 | Only 6? | 22:42 |
| lcuk | yer and im expected to sleep | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Seen a fortune database entry once that gave a German word for "broken through improvement" | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | Hehe | 22:45 |
| GAN8001 | We've got that, too. <_< | 22:46 |
| GAN8001 | LinuxTag people, do you guys have anybody planning on setting up a live webcast yet? :D | 22:47 |
| lcuk | if there is a movie and i bottle it, don't laugh too loudly | 22:48 |
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| GAN8001 | lcuk's N810 is going to explode on stage. | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | its better fluffin not do | 22:51 |
| lcuk | anyway, time to sleep - ill be back on sat/sunday | 22:51 |
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| GAN8001 | 'night | 22:51 |
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| n800n | hehe | 22:54 |
| n800n | not that one | 22:54 |
| n800n | misfire :x | 22:54 |
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| {abo} | Hi again :) | 22:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody played with maemo + certs ? | 22:56 |
| {abo} | Uhm... I have an ext3-formatted partition on the MMC. tune2fs says "has_journal". But mount -t ext3 fails, -t ext2 works. The kernel module is loaded. | 22:56 |
| {abo} | Any ideas? | 22:56 |
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| {abo} | MoRpHeUz: X509? | 22:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | {abo}: yeah... | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | {abo}, pastebin me ur lsmod output | 22:57 |
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| MoRpHeUz | I took a look @ http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/certificate_storage_guide.html | 22:57 |
| {abo} | qwerty12_N800: ok hang on | 22:57 |
| MoRpHeUz | but it says that you need to generate the key and install ssl..I would like to know if there is not a default user certificate generated... | 22:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | by the device... | 22:58 |
| {abo} | qwerty12_N800; http://pastebin.com/d5591dd34 | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, you have the right modules inserted. does dmesg say anything after trying to mount? | 23:01 |
| {abo} | nothing that looks relevamt. "EAC mode: play enabled", "Setting voltage" and so on | 23:03 |
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| {abo} | Btw, what's a good filesystem to use on a micro SD card? I'd like something journaled so I don't have to hook in an fsck in the startup. But maybe I should just go with ext2 and make sure i run fsck. | 23:04 |
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| {abo} | bah, computers :/ | 23:11 |
| n800n | haha | 23:12 |
| {abo} | Hmm | 23:12 |
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| {abo} | Now it works, after a reboot. But it still mounted my / as ext2 even though it has a journal. | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | with ext3 you don't have to run fsck | 23:13 |
| {abo} | Yeah that's what i'm after | 23:13 |
| Tuco1 | anyone know why modest will notify you of new emails but will not send pending emails when you get back online? | 23:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Anyone know how to make tar go into each subfolder and tar up *.ko files with the folder name (like fanoush's module pack)? | 23:18 |
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| {abo} | qwerty12_N800: for d in $(find /some/folder -type d); do tar -cf $d.tar -C $d '*.ko'; done | 23:25 |
| {abo} | or something | 23:25 |
| wnd | qwerty12_N800, how about just using find for that task, e.g. "tar -cf foo.tar $(find /path/to -name '*.ko')". if the list goes too long, "find /path/to -name '*.ko' | tar -cf - -T -" or something | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks both! :) | 23:25 |
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| wnd | for loops break far too easily with whitespaces | 23:25 |
| wnd | erm, actually I just realised I missread your question | 23:26 |
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| practisevoodoo | anyone got any idea why i cant copy files to my removable memory card of the main memory? | 23:42 |
| practisevoodoo | whenever I try I am told "Unable to continue. Folder not found." | 23:42 |
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| ||cw | practisevoodoo: characters in the name that arne't valid on fat32? | 23:49 |
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| practisevoodoo | actually that is a distinct posability | 23:50 |
| practisevoodoo | stupid : | 23:52 |
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