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| Jaffa | Interesting, a maemo Google Summer of Code project from the VLC guys: http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_2008/New_VLC_interface_for_Maemo | 00:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | nice | 00:25 |
| Cptnodegard | but isnt vlc rather flacky compared to mplayer on maemo? | 00:26 |
| Cptnodegard | flaky* | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | wouldn't it be nice to have generic video gui instead? | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | that could do mplayer, vlc or any other player | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, I wasn't aware of a well-optimised port. And articles like http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/2008_google_summer_code_21_projects_im_excited_about assume that because it can decode anything on high-CPU x86 boxes, it'll work for anything on a 400MHz, resource-constrained, h/w-limited ARM | 00:26 |
| RST38h | IMHO mplayer is flaky as well | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: both Canola and MediaBox use both gstreamer or mplayer as appropriate for a given video. | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: but those are quite heavy | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | and use medialibrary | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | And technically the built-in player *is* generic through gstreamer, we've just got one implementation of gstreamer plugins on maemo ATM | 00:27 |
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| Cptnodegard | i really dont see how they can ever compare to mplayer so why bother | 00:28 |
| RST38h | Canola is most likely going to move away from using DBus sooner or later | 00:28 |
| RST38h | They are having too many sync problems when using DBus | 00:28 |
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| oDesk | hey all, i've installed Flash 9 on os2006 it works but no audio, any idea ?? i read of lib file for sound where i can find it ? | 00:29 |
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| oDesk | i'm on n770 | 00:30 |
| zap | vlc can stream media, but who cares | 00:33 |
| zap | Jaffa: what you mean "we've got one implementation" ? Maemo gstreamer lacks an ffmpeg plugin, which is very bad. | 00:33 |
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| Jaffa | zap: we've got one set of gstreamer plugins, but as you say, gstreamer can have an ffmpeg plugin and then you've effectively got both mplayer and VLC. | 00:35 |
| zap | yep, what puzzles me is that nobody did it yet | 00:35 |
| zap | as far as I know, there are many ARM assembler optimizations that were made for mplayer but will work with gstreamer too | 00:36 |
| zap | in ffmpeg I mean | 00:36 |
| ssvb | zap: gstreamer has a very heavy overhead itself | 00:37 |
| zap | indeed, I have measured ogg decoding and it's about 50% overhead (150% vs 100% mplayer) | 00:37 |
| ssvb | zap: you can try benchmarking some video playback with oprofile | 00:37 |
| zap | I just played the ogg to the null device and measured the time | 00:38 |
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| ssvb | zap: wrapping ffmpeg into gstreamer will also result in poor playback | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: would it be possible to have mplayer using dsp decoding asm ? | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | without gst, plain dsp code | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | well, not exactly asm, but code in general | 00:40 |
| zap | ssvb: I understand, and still, gstreamer is a well-designed multimedia system, while mplayer is full of dirty hacks | 00:40 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: probably yes, it's better to ask lardman | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | zap: but if you are short on cpu you need hacks over beauty of the code | 00:40 |
| zap | sad but true :) | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: what would be needed from mplayer side? | 00:41 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: most likely nothing special, mplayer has support for many audio and video decoding libraries, it even has a loader for win32 dll's | 00:42 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: so I guess it's very flexible | 00:43 |
| EruditeHermit | is it possible to run hildon on the desktop? | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, hmm | 00:43 |
| zap | hehe, this fits into a standard 19" server rack: http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/productdetails.aspx?productid=11-231 | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, as i understand the only way of using dsp in mplayer is gst | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i think i'm confused | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | dsptasks are gstreamer, yes/no ? | 00:44 |
| kulve | no | 00:45 |
| kulve | gstreamer (and others) use dsp tasks | 00:45 |
| kulve | in gstream you need to do a gst plugin that uses the dsp task running in the dsp | 00:45 |
| kulve | anybody can create and use a dsp task | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | so it's a matter of writing proper -ao for mplayer that would use dsp task device, right? | 00:45 |
| kulve | but playing audio directly from dsp is nokia propriatary stuff | 00:45 |
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| kulve | KotCzarny: yes (I think) | 00:46 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: not quite, there is a difference between decoders and audio output modules | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | but /dev/*/mp3dec decodes and plays without returning decoded data | 00:47 |
| zap | how can DSP play the decoded audio directly? Does it have direct access to ALSA devices? | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | am i right? | 00:47 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: implementing -ao gst as audio output module was a forced solution and dirty hack | 00:47 |
| kulve | zap: there's no proper alsa device in itos2008 | 00:47 |
| zap | doh | 00:47 |
| zap | so bad? | 00:48 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: yes, mp3dec plays the audio directly. But I'm not sure if its api is open either.. | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | it would save some data moving around | 00:49 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: exactly, everything would be much easier and more "well-designed" (tm) if mp3 gstreamer element could return decoded data back | 00:49 |
| kulve | the gst plugins that uses the dsp tasks are open, but they depend on some headers that are closed | 00:49 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: and even better would be to do this without gstreamer | 00:49 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: gstreamer is the only public API for using dsp tasks | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | lardman uses dsp tasks directly, or not? | 00:50 |
| kulve | passing the data back from the dsp and then back to dsp for pcm playback introduces some overhead | 00:50 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: the dsp task API is open, the nokia tasks are not | 00:50 |
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| zap | hmm so the only way to output sound is esd? | 00:51 |
| kulve | i.e. you can make your own task and use it but you can't use the nokia's tasks | 00:51 |
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| kulve | zap: esd feeds the data to dsp too. Just like gst | 00:51 |
| zap | but what device is dsp? I can't see either /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/something except the mixer | 00:51 |
| kulve | zap: there's also an ALSA plugin that does the same | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | zap: /dev/dsptasks/ | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 00:52 |
| ssvb | kulve: how much is this overhead? | 00:52 |
| zap | /dev/dsptasks/ are the way to output sound??? | 00:52 |
| kulve | zap: the OMAP cpu includes ARM core and DSP core | 00:52 |
| zap | ah, /dev/dsptask/pcm[0-3] | 00:52 |
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| kulve | ssvb: I did some tests and it was <1ms for one data write (1-500 bytes) to one direction. But that's just my test, nothing sure | 00:53 |
| zap | pretty exotic way to output sound ) | 00:53 |
| kulve | zap: yes, very propriatary | 00:53 |
| ssvb | kulve: and how much is that in ARM core cpu cycles? | 00:54 |
| ssvb | kulve: is ARM core busy during this time, or could do some other data crunching? | 00:54 |
| kulve | ssvb: not a clue. What I did was gettimeofday, send data, receive "ok", gettimeofday (so not exactly like I just said) | 00:55 |
| RST38h | wait wait gentlemen | 00:55 |
| ssvb | kulve: latency is actually not so important as it can be compensated | 00:55 |
| RST38h | do you mean I can use /dev/dsptasks/pcmx the same way I use /dev/dsp on desktop linux? | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | rst: not exactly | 00:55 |
| kulve | ssvb: yeah, the latency is not an issue, but I think the ARM cpu is busy during than time, so it takes some time.. | 00:56 |
| RST38h | sans ioctl()s? | 00:56 |
| ssvb | kulve: and we already have a high latency with current audio output, but nobody has died from it (though seeking is slow) | 00:56 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: does the debian port have openoffice? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | rst: i think it needs some initialization | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | when you open it | 00:56 |
| kulve | RST38h: you can read(), write() and ioctl() to the dsp task. But nobody knows what Nokia's tasks want | 00:56 |
| RST38h | heheh | 00:56 |
| kulve | RST38h: /dev/dsptask/* do not have anything in common with /dev/dsp | 00:57 |
| RST38h | my guess is these are TI's not Nokia's | 00:57 |
| kulve | just bad naming | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, signal vs sound :) | 00:57 |
| kulve | RST38h: could be Nokia's too. Who knows. | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:58 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: basically the initialization is done automatically by the plugin when it gets loaded. They might need some setting up, like telling the channel count, bitrate etc. | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: is spying on ioctls possible? | 00:59 |
| kulve | s,plugin,task, | 00:59 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: yeah, it should show up in strace just fine | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | ie. moving pcmtask device node somewhere and inserting spy device of ours? | 00:59 |
| zap | kulve: but you said the sources for Nokia plugins are available, just not some private headers? | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | then just doing dome basing playing | 00:59 |
| kulve | zap: yeah, for the gst plugins. But iirc they didn't contain anything usefull | 00:59 |
| lardman | re | 01:00 |
| zap | but can't you sniff the expected data format? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | ah, all the hackers are here | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | rejoice! | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:00 |
| lardman | ssvb: Did you see that yuv420 output code I was fiddling with - post to maemo-developers | 01:00 |
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| lardman | Someone was asking out audio output from the DSP? | 01:01 |
| kpel | hi | 01:01 |
| infobot | moin moin | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | i should subscribe to maemo-developers | 01:01 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: you can also read the archives. But I see the list useful | 01:02 |
| ssvb | lardman: green color from your screenshot seems like zero U and V data | 01:02 |
| lardman | ssvb: regarding returning the decoded data, my impression is that this will happen in the end | 01:02 |
| ssvb | lardman: maybe something is not initialized | 01:02 |
| zap | or maybe overflow | 01:03 |
| lardman | ssvb: I will probably feed it some fixed value YUV data (different value for Y,U,V etc.) and return the framebuffer data to debug it | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: 0 uv == signed vs unsigned? | 01:03 |
| ssvb | lardman: that's a good idea | 01:03 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: should be unsigned, I think | 01:03 |
| lardman | ssvb: just strange that most of the image is good, with those strange glitches | 01:04 |
| zap | perhaps YUV to RGB conversion can give negative values, which should be treated differently | 01:04 |
| zap | I don't remember the formulas though | 01:04 |
| lardman | zap: that was YUV output converted from YUV input | 01:05 |
| ssvb | zap: there should be no conversion there, just reshuffling of bytes | 01:05 |
| lardman | zap: just from planar to interleaved form | 01:05 |
| zap | YV12 to YUV420? | 01:05 |
| lardman | yep | 01:05 |
| zap | aha | 01:05 |
| ssvb | lardman: maybe DSP just fails to correctly write to some area | 01:06 |
| lardman | zap: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/017705.html | 01:06 |
| lardman | ssvb: perhaps, but the RGB output looks fine | 01:06 |
| lardman | i.e. take the Y plane and output as a single RGB colour | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: do the colordcube | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:08 |
| kulve | about the gst dsp plugins I mentioned: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2271 | 01:08 |
| lardman | well I did red, then green then blue, then got bored ;) | 01:08 |
| kulve | (without the s in http) | 01:08 |
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| kulve | for some reason I can get it downloaded atm, I just get timeout | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: how about rgb pixels? | 01:09 |
| zap | SHBUF_LENGTH is 384k, which is 800x480x1 byte per pixel -- isn't this too little? | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | well pixel red, pixel green, pixel blue | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 01:09 |
| lardman | zap: DSP code? 16bit char | 01:09 |
| zap | %-O | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | with brightness depending on y+x | 01:09 |
| zap | DSP has 16-bit wide char type? | 01:09 |
| kulve | zap: yes :) | 01:09 |
| zap | omg :) | 01:09 |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: could do, but wasn't too bothered. I know the data are ok as I can display them, the conversion from YV12->YUV420 is the reason to do it | 01:10 |
| kulve | zap: it's nice to communicate between the two when they don't even agree on the length of a byte (in bits) | 01:10 |
| kulve | zap: sizeof(char) is still 1 in both | 01:10 |
| lardman | zap: That's what makes it so much fun ;) | 01:10 |
| lardman | yes | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | lardman, encode, then decode that pattern then | 01:10 |
| zap | hmm | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | and maybe you spot the error :) | 01:10 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: what I plan to do is to return the YUV420 framebuffer and take a look at it - that should indicate some sort of problem with my algo | 01:11 |
| lardman | exactly | 01:11 |
| zap | okay, but in yv12_convert_mmap_info SHBUF_LENGTH is bytes? | 01:11 |
| lardman | hang on, just finding the code | 01:12 |
| lardman | 16bit bytes, yes | 01:13 |
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| zap | Couldn't it be 8bit bytes? As far as I understand, the memory is mapped by the ARM core | 01:15 |
| lardman | no, it's in terms of the DSP's byte size when it's running on the DSP | 01:16 |
| zap | in which case you would get just half of the buffer with the right data, and the second half with random garbage (what you are seeing with U & V) | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | lardman | 01:16 |
| lardman | in any case, the buffer is large enough as I get the data through | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | but that uv double sizedness could be caused by some mismatch in data length? | 01:16 |
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| lardman | otherwise I'd expect to lose the UV planes | 01:17 |
| toresbe | Gracana: sorry, battery ran out | 01:17 |
| kulve | zap: it's not about where the memory is but who's using it. When you read the same memory in ARM, the byte is 8bit and in DSP it's 16bit | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | then maybe you are feeding wrong part of the 16bit byte ? | 01:17 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: that's the big question | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | because you only get bright or dark in green | 01:17 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: but most of the image looks ok, so it's a bit strange that there are only certain regions with glitches | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | lardman, look at it as 2 images | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | y plane and uv plane | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:18 |
| zap | by the way, what DSP is it? Is it from that TI DSP with VLIW architecture and 256-bit instructions for 4 parallel pipelines? | 01:18 |
| lardman | Well the actual plane data are fine (in the file); I should probably try to plot the U/V planes on the DSP (though I'd expect to lose the ends if there were some issue) | 01:18 |
| zap | TI C5xxx if I remember correctly | 01:19 |
| kulve | zap: c55xx | 01:19 |
| lardman | and otherwise I'm turning from planar into interleaved format, so hard to look at individial planes then | 01:19 |
| zap | aha | 01:19 |
| lardman | TMS320C55x | 01:19 |
| lardman | xx | 01:19 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:20 |
| toresbe | Gracana: thank you! Downloading now. | 01:20 |
| ssvb | lardman: one random idea, maybe some right shifts are actually signed in the code | 01:20 |
| lardman | ssvb: ah, that's worth a look | 01:21 |
| ssvb | lardman: in this case you will get 0xFF instead of 0x00 in high order byte for shifts of negative word | 01:21 |
| ssvb | lardman: that could explain some 'flat' areas, as the data would be set to 0xFF after 'or' operation | 01:23 |
| lardman | let me have a quick look and see if I can spot an error | 01:23 |
| lardman | ok, well some of the shifted variables are not of unsigned type, so that may be a good indication | 01:24 |
| lardman | i.e. the counter vars | 01:24 |
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| zap | what are Uns and LgUns types? | 01:25 |
| lardman | Unsigned int (16bit), unsigned long (32bit) | 01:25 |
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| zap | ty | 01:25 |
| lardman | just recompiled, will do a test | 01:26 |
| ssvb | lardman: could TI toolchain do something funny like treating ((unsigned short)some_value & 0xFF00) expression as a signed value? | 01:27 |
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| lardman | ssvb: almost certainly :) | 01:27 |
| lardman | ssvb: does some wierd things iirc | 01:27 |
| ssvb | lardman: in this case adding some more explicit cast before shift could help | 01:27 |
| lardman | let me try with just setting the counter vars to unsigned type - there's one shift of one of those iirc | 01:28 |
| ssvb | lardman: I'm worried about expressions like this: ((*(Uns *)((LgUns)U + (LgUns)(buf_y>>1)*width/2 + (buf_x>>1)) & 0xFF00)>>8) | 01:29 |
| lardman | my tweak hasn't worked | 01:30 |
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| ssvb | lardman: changing them to ((Uns)(*(Uns *)((LgUns)U + (LgUns)(buf_y>>1)*width/2 + (buf_x>>1)) & 0xFF00)>>8) might help | 01:30 |
| zap | can't get what's the difference between if (~(buf_y & 1)) and else parts | 01:31 |
| lardman | zap: U or V planes on odd/even lines | 01:31 |
| zap | ah | 01:31 |
| lardman | ssvb: so add a cast to (Uns) ? | 01:32 |
| ssvb | lardman: yes | 01:32 |
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| lardman | will try | 01:32 |
| ssvb | lardman: and probably add more brackets to be completely sure that the value on the left from '>> 8' is unsigned | 01:33 |
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| ssvb | lardman: one more quick test would be to replace '|' with '+' and check if the distortion pattern changes | 01:34 |
| lardman | ok, tried the cast and no difference | 01:34 |
| lardman | will try the | -> + | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | write a simple code that will printf the result? | 01:34 |
| lardman | lots of data to output though | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | write a loop to check for expected values too? | 01:35 |
| lardman | ssvb: adding I get snow, but the large regions of green are still there | 01:36 |
| lardman | in the same locations | 01:36 |
| ssvb | lardman: one more alternative is to do ((x >> 8) & 0x00FF) instead of ((x & 0xFF00) >> 8) | 01:36 |
| zap | can you try to write constants instead of U & V then | 01:37 |
| zap | if the green areas are there, the output region seems somehow masked | 01:37 |
| ssvb | lardman: does C55x support unsigned right shift? it might be some feature of hardware | 01:37 |
| lardman | not sure to be honest | 01:38 |
| lardman | tried ((x >> 8) & 0x00FF) instead of ((x & 0xFF00) >> 8; same output | 01:39 |
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| lardman | I think it's a case of feeding some known data and looking at the output to compare where it goes wrong | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | print[fk] fun :) | 01:40 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: not even that nice, dbg() which outputs to dmesg and only takes <=16bit values | 01:41 |
| lardman | I can just do a copy of the framebuffer before I call the update and send it back as a bulk transfer, write it to file and use a hex editor | 01:42 |
| ssvb | lardman: stupid question, have you replaced all the occurences of similar code and not edited commented out block? | 01:42 |
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| lardman | ssvb: what do you mean? | 01:43 |
| ssvb | lardman: changing '|' to '+' should have no effect on image if high order byte was ok | 01:43 |
| lardman | hmm | 01:43 |
| ssvb | lardman: I just asked you to check for typos and if all the needed places were updated properly | 01:44 |
| lardman | I made 6 changes - on lines 351, 354, 357 & 367, 370, 373 | 01:45 |
| lardman | I think that's all there was to do..? | 01:45 |
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| Capn_Fish | johnx: You here? | 01:47 |
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| ssvb | lardman: sorry, one more funny thing is '|', '+' and '<<' operator precedence | 01:48 |
| ssvb | lardman: so actually changing '|' to '+' can have effect on code, but does not explain the original problem | 01:49 |
| lardman | np, I'm glad of suggestions | 01:49 |
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| lardman | I'll have to look in the compiler manual to see if it's got some strange thing | 01:50 |
| lardman | or more brackets | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | just check basic ops | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| lardman | yow, changing my casts for the calcs for the offsets in the buffers from lgUns to Uns has screwed it up completely | 01:53 |
| lardman | keeping the actual buffer cast as LgUns that is | 01:53 |
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| lardman | hmm, now by casing all of the variables inside the *() operators to LgUns, I've ended up with the same image + 2 shadowns, + some noise outside of the video area | 01:58 |
| lardman | casting that should read | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | so that's an improvement | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:59 |
| lardman | hmm | 01:59 |
| lardman | so perhaps I was just lucky first time thought, the errors cancelled out :) | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | and indicates that you have to check all the operations and variables | 01:59 |
| lardman | yep | 02:00 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if something is overflowing here | 02:01 |
| lardman | the bottom half of the image is half mirrored up the top - in stripes | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your assumption about display layout is wrong? | 02:02 |
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| lardman | perhaps, but it's corruption rather than a lack of image | 02:05 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/ jpgs nos 54 & 56, still uploading | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | funny | 02:08 |
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| KotCzarny | definitely, you should feed it with a test screen | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | you can create mpeg from a single image | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | if you want | 02:09 |
| lardman | I'll create an artificial one with set values for the Y, U & V planes | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | You don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0056.JPG on this server. | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| lardman | ah, usual story, hang on a tick | 02:10 |
| lardman | try again | 02:11 |
| lardman | FAT fs gives execute permissions to the photos | 02:12 |
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| KotCzarny | is it me or the whole picture became smaller than before? | 02:12 |
| lardman | it's about the same size | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | the picture on n800 | 02:13 |
| lardman | yeah, about the same afaict | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | right now it's about 1/8 of the screen | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | before it was 1/4 | 02:13 |
| lardman | should be 320/800 of the screen | 02:13 |
| lardman | and 240/480 tall | 02:13 |
| lardman | hmm | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | just compare the pic to 0050 | 02:14 |
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| KotCzarny | ahm, sorry | 02:14 |
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| lardman | I think it's the same, though it's not very tall - nor was it before | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | but still, it doesn't look as 320x240 | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | 240 should take half of the height | 02:15 |
| lardman | it's probably 320 wide, but is ~120 high | 02:15 |
| lardman | urgh, far more debugging to be done | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | try rewriting the code without optimizations :> | 02:17 |
| lardman | lol, as if there are any in there :D | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | any & and << could be treated as such ;) | 02:18 |
| lardman | there's no other way to arrange the data though | 02:18 |
| lardman | have to manipulate 8bit chunks of 16bit addressable data types | 02:18 |
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| KotCzarny | don't use 8bit type then? | 02:19 |
| jdiaz | hi | 02:19 |
| infobot | hey | 02:19 |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: have to address 8bit chunks for the fb format | 02:20 |
| jdiaz | I've got a problem with the internal 2G flash (n810) | 02:20 |
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| KotCzarny | jdiaz: recreated partition table? | 02:20 |
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| jdiaz | fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 02:21 |
| jdiaz | malloc:Input/output error | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: you need simpler algo | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:21 |
| lardman | well rgb works, that's simple | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: corrupted partition table, maybe? | 02:21 |
| jdiaz | related to the known bug? | 02:21 |
| lardman | but the point of yuv420 is to maximise bandwidth | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: maybe it's a weird yuv420 | 02:22 |
| jdiaz | I have several files on it. all ok except the last two, wich are unreadable | 02:23 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: it is :) | 02:24 |
| Gracana | yw toresbe. does it work? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: can you paste /sbin/sfdisk -l to pastebin.com ? | 02:24 |
| lardman | bed time, thanks for the ideas chaps | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:24 |
| lardman | I'll try feeding the known data tomorrow and see what we get out :) | 02:25 |
| lardman | regarding sbc, it seems to receive and process data (not sure how much yet, need to count the messages output), but it dies with a bus error | 02:25 |
| lardman | this kills the arm-side code too, and consequently the output file doesn't get written | 02:25 |
| lardman | annoying | 02:25 |
| lardman | is it possible to flush? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | open it as unbuffered? | 02:28 |
| jdiaz | http://pastebin.com/m38c508a6 | 02:28 |
| lardman | can that be done with fopen()? | 02:29 |
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| KotCzarny | lardman: with open there are some flags | 02:30 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: I'll take a look tomorrow, thanks | 02:30 |
| lardman | night chaps | 02:30 |
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| KotCzarny | gah | 02:31 |
| jdiaz | now I'm remembering other strange behaviours my n810 had today: an alert box (never seen before) told me that in order to open an application, another should be closed (I only had two xterm and a vnc, as habitual) | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of memory? | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming you had virtual memory off? | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: your partition table is factory broken | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 61440 cylinders | 02:31 |
| jdiaz | the Image Viewer reported me an error about being unable to show the photo due to inssuficient memory | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | # | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | Disk /dev/mmcblk1: 62304 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | # | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | Warning: The partition table looks like it was made | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | # | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | for C/H/S=*/61/60 (instead of 62304/4/16). | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | ah, sorry wrong line | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | /dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 62719 62720- 2007032 b W95 FAT32 | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | this one | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | physical size is 61440 | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | but partition is 62719 | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | so corruption is inevitable | 02:32 |
| jdiaz | yes, GA, no virtual memory, but not a problem like these until today | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something ate your RAM. | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: back up the files then delete partition and create again | 02:33 |
| jdiaz | KotCzarny, I have read about that | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise you run into corruption again later | 02:33 |
| jdiaz | but I thought the corruption will not occur until the partition is full enough | 02:33 |
| jdiaz | mine is at 40% | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | well | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a hard drive, jdiaz. | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't load evenly. | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | apparently it did | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could run into the out-of-range sectors at 1% or 99% | 02:34 |
| jdiaz | GA, could this problem be related to the out-of-memry problems? | 02:35 |
| AStorm | actually, that depends on the FS | 02:35 |
| AStorm | more than the device wear-levelling | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | creating partition bigger than device isn't a wise idea | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | anyway | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:35 |
| jdiaz | AStorm, vfat | 02:35 |
| AStorm | jdiaz: then you were unlucky | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The card load-levels itself. | 02:35 |
| AStorm | anyway, that has to be fixed | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | also your sd card can be error prone too | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | as it has some warning | 02:36 |
| AStorm | if it is a card ;-) | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's close enough. | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: /dev/mmcblk1p1 is a card | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:37 |
| AStorm | ya | 02:37 |
| jdiaz | could the flash corruption problem be related to the out-of-memory problems? | 02:38 |
| AStorm | unlikely | 02:38 |
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| AStorm | unclean restarts or just wear | 02:38 |
| jdiaz | but both occured the same day... | 02:38 |
| AStorm | is it a cheap OEM imitation? ;) | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: fix your partitions | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:39 |
| jdiaz | after two months of running without any out-of-mem problem... | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Out of memory isn't the end of the world, jdiaz. :P | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just format the internal card, enable swap and move on. | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | oom could happen if fs was corrupted and your swap went read only | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | or inaccessible | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:39 |
| jdiaz | I have no swap enabled | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | do you have virtual mem enabled? | 02:40 |
| jdiaz | no | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 02:40 |
| jdiaz | but I was able ofn running several simultaneous apps before | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | jdiaz: still, fix partitions, come back if it happens again | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| jdiaz | much more indeed | 02:41 |
| jdiaz | ok, I'll do that. Just curious | 02:41 |
| jdiaz | how can I detect wether I have an ill-behaved app who eats my mem? | 02:42 |
| AStorm | well, I found some huge memory problem with maemopad | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | slowdown | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | usually | 02:42 |
| AStorm | it loads all the notes into ram | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install osso-statusbar-cpu | 02:42 |
| AStorm | guess how large my notebook is ;P | 02:42 |
| jdiaz | top? | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | could work too | 02:43 |
| AStorm | yes | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | though look at rss | 02:43 |
| jdiaz | browser using 77% | 02:43 |
| jdiaz | gnome-vfs-daemon using 41% | 02:43 |
| jdiaz | whow, only these two make more than 100% | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, look at the rss | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | could be named 'res' | 02:44 |
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| AStorm | browser is huge, yes | 02:44 |
| jdiaz | rss not running | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | other numbers could include shared mem and libs | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | rss is not a program | 02:45 |
| jdiaz | mmm | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | byt acronym | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | real something size | 02:45 |
| jdiaz | oh | 02:45 |
| jdiaz | I though you refered to the rss reader | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | no | 02:45 |
| AStorm | Resident Set Size | 02:46 |
| AStorm | aka "what's in memory" | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | thanks for explanation :) | 02:46 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: my pleasure | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | someone please shut up the infobot | 02:47 |
| jdiaz | mmm... if the filesystem is corrupt, couldnt that cause gnome-vfs to consume inusual amounts of memory? | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | if your system is corrupted anything can happen :) | 02:47 |
| AStorm | infobot: you suck! | 02:47 |
| infobot | Sorry! | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corrupt filesystems cause all sorts of trouble. | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Format the internal card and THEN try and troubleshoot. ;) | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | no | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | remove partition, and create it again | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | THEN format | 02:48 |
| AStorm | yes, format isn't enough | 02:48 |
| AStorm | need to repartition it | 02:48 |
| jdiaz | thanks, I'll do that | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | File manager fixes it just fine. | 02:49 |
| Gracana | http://gizmodo.com/391108/samsungs-display-division-shows-just-what-it-can-do-with-amoled-notebook Nokia 770! | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | ga: sure, for a time | 02:50 |
| Navi | Gracana, looks expensive | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | kb would suck | 02:52 |
| AStorm | oleds are heavier | 02:52 |
| AStorm | although much brighter | 02:52 |
| Gracana | Yeah, definitely. I don't think I would like it. But the fact that the person on the screen is holding another company's product is amusing. | 02:53 |
| AStorm | ah, and they may use more power too | 02:53 |
| AStorm | I wonder how oleds look in direct sunlight | 02:53 |
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| Navi | Gracana, indeed | 02:54 |
| Navi | Gracana, it might be a taunt of some sort | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | in direct sunlight color e-ink would rule | 02:54 |
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| Navi | Gracana, wait, that doesn't look like a 770 :P | 02:54 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: too low contrast, naah | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: future e-ink | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:54 |
| AStorm | future, well, yeah | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | with a 225 dpi etc | 02:55 |
| AStorm | gimme a holographic display | 02:55 |
| Gracana | oh yeah Navi, it's backwards and has no buttons | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 02:55 |
| AStorm | N810 with a holographic display... ;P | 02:55 |
| AStorm | close to that future Nokia product | 02:55 |
| Navi | heh | 02:56 |
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| * Navi takes his delorean to the future and brings back some holographic displays for everyone | 03:09 | |
| Navi | Of course, I forgot to bring the DVI to SUED converters, so none of you can use it | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Asshole. | 03:12 |
| Navi | I'm sorry | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No you're not. | 03:14 |
| Navi | am too | 03:14 |
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| jdiaz | flash repartitioned | 03:27 |
| jdiaz | restoring contents ... | 03:27 |
| jdiaz | (boring) | 03:29 |
| jdiaz | good opportunity to delete all those .ogg files from ./map | 03:30 |
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| zakm | hi . . i have a nokia 770 .. WSOD .. i tried reflashing and taking out battery and nothing helped ( bought off ebay .. WSOD after like two weeks. no warranty ) | 05:51 |
| zakm | anyone have any ideas of what i could try.. willing to try anything | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Controller needs to be replaced/reset. | 05:51 |
| zakm | describe reset? | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | reseated, rather. | 05:51 |
| zakm | is it solder'd? | 05:52 |
| zakm | or just pushed in? | 05:52 |
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| zakm | so i open it up.. "take out" controller.. put it back in? thats it? | 05:52 |
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| johnx | I don't have a 770, but this thread may have some of the info you want: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15599 | 05:54 |
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| zakm | ive looked at the wsod thread if thats the one you've linked? | 05:54 |
| johnx | there are many | 05:54 |
| johnx | this one talks about what the controller chip is and where it is | 05:55 |
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| johnx | guess that's not really conclusive... | 06:01 |
| johnx | anyways, off to work | 06:01 |
| zakm | haha | 06:01 |
| zakm | thanks | 06:01 |
| infobot | no worries, zakm | 06:01 |
| zakm | ill look | 06:01 |
| zakm | sorry my nephew is here so im currently distracted | 06:01 |
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| zakm | infobot: no worries ? | 06:04 |
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| KotCzarny | zakm, talking to bot? | 06:04 |
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| zakm | lol | 06:08 |
| zakm | ohh it was triggered | 06:09 |
| zakm | im tired :( | 06:09 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finnish+Parliament+debates+proposal+for+love+vacations+/1135234799696 | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:15 |
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| zakm | is my nokia WSOD a lost cause? | 06:23 |
| zakm | trying to fix | 06:23 |
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| pupnik | zakm my 770 recovered from wosd .. removed battery and waited | 06:34 |
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| zakm | yeah | 06:35 |
| zakm | i tried that | 06:35 |
| zakm | i waited like 4 hours | 06:35 |
| zakm | pupnik: i tried it like 12 hours ago | 06:35 |
| zakm | pupnik: how long did you wait? | 06:35 |
| pupnik | 5 minutes | 06:36 |
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| zakm | yeah see | 06:36 |
| zakm | i waited like 4 hours | 06:36 |
| zakm | i took out battery.. waited 4 hours. put back in | 06:36 |
| zakm | its not all white? like theres some small lines | 06:36 |
| zakm | vertical lines | 06:36 |
| pupnik | yeah | 06:36 |
| pupnik | a really weird 'color' | 06:36 |
| zakm | yeah | 06:36 |
| zakm | anything else i could try you think? | 06:37 |
| zakm | i removed battery.. 4 hours later i put back in.. turn on.. nothing | 06:37 |
| zakm | well wsod | 06:37 |
| pupnik | don't know. check itt forums. is it under warranty? | 06:37 |
| zakm | i tried reflashing in the past | 06:37 |
| zakm | no warranty | 06:37 |
| zakm | i bought on ebay. and they bought it in like '05 -.- | 06:37 |
| zakm | i have | 06:37 |
| zakm | no help -.- | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2005 and it's just WSODing now? | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | They must never have used it. | 06:38 |
| zakm | i dont know what to do .. i only had it for like two weeks. i dont want to throw it in the garbage? | 06:38 |
| pupnik | sorry bout that | 06:38 |
| zakm | GeneralAntilles: i dont know.. one of the files on it was from '05 and it was a nokia made file | 06:38 |
| zakm | unless they used a wrong date? | 06:38 |
| KotCzarny | garbage is a bad option, sell for parts | 06:39 |
| zakm | how would i check for warranty? | 06:39 |
| zakm | i paid $85 for the 770 :( | 06:39 |
| pupnik | i must have had good karma for paying $500 for my 770 | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | if you are delicate you can try reseating the connector | 06:39 |
| zakm | i got nothing to lose ? :P | 06:39 |
| zakm | pupnik: what the ? $500? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: you can break it | 06:39 |
| zakm | pupnik: when did you buy | 06:39 |
| zakm | KotCzarny: its already technically broken.. and i have no warranty? | 06:40 |
| pupnik | nov 2006 | 06:40 |
| zakm | $85 for two weeks of use? -.- | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You were that late getting in, pupnik? | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: i don't know | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:40 |
| zakm | im 17 years old. jobless | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | 80$ is ~1day of work | 06:41 |
| zakm | yeah for you maybe | 06:41 |
| zakm | i dont have a job in the first place | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:41 |
| zakm | i wouldnt be so omg WSOD if i had a job ;p | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get one | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | i bet you can do many works | 06:41 |
| zakm | its $85 i shouldn't of spent | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're easy to come by in high school. :P | 06:41 |
| zakm | ive been applying.. but no luck | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | you simply have to find someone who would pay for your skills | 06:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:41 |
| zakm | lol | 06:41 |
| zakm | i can do computers on a software-level ? | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: data entry then | 06:42 |
| zakm | Technician'ing | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:42 |
| zakm | yeah yeah find me a job | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta go pound the pavement. | 06:42 |
| zakm | Toronto, ON .. might help you in finding me ;p | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: you have internet | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | i remember doing a gig for some kid for a 200$ | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | it was ~3-5h of writing in php | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | and he was from another state | 06:43 |
| zakm | lol | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, exams | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:43 |
| zakm | what kid has $200 for some php script | 06:43 |
| zakm | o | 06:43 |
| zakm | lol i cant code .. well not very well | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | then learn? | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | coding is fun | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:44 |
| zakm | i made an oath to stop my crazy pc learning | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | so what do you plan to do in life? | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | An oath to stop learning? <_< | 06:46 |
| zakm | lol | 06:46 |
| zakm | i used to sit and read those big books | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | reading is good | 06:46 |
| zakm | i have a bad memory so i dont remember much | 06:47 |
| zakm | but i mean like i dont wanna go and learn all the languages and all | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | well, you have to only learn one | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | the rest are similiar | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:47 |
| zakm | i took something called Turing in last year in school | 06:47 |
| zakm | didnt take grade 11 .. grade 11 is java | 06:48 |
| zakm | http://fanoush.wz.cz/lcd_closeup.jpg | 06:48 |
| zakm | so i pull that out. .and back in? | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ele/682408683.html | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | 770 for parts | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: worth a try | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it? | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:49 |
| zakm | i guess | 06:49 |
| zakm | but i mean is that what you were talking about | 06:49 |
| zakm | with controller? | 06:49 |
| zakm | reseating | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:49 |
| zakm | would new battery help? or totally unrelated? | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | unrelated | 06:51 |
| zakm | k | 06:51 |
| zakm | tomorrow.. i open it up :D | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | just be delicate | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | those little parts are fragile | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | very fragile | 06:51 |
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| lopz | nigth | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Typo! :P | 08:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone know a way to batch extract deb files? | 09:20 |
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| czr | qwerty12, you mean like for a in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -x $a; done? | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I'll try it out. | 09:57 |
| czr | (not tested mind you) | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, didn't work, thanks though :) | 09:58 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, fixed it up, thanks :) | 09:59 |
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| czr | np :-) | 10:03 |
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| summatusmentis | cops apparently don't like it when you're goin 55 in a 40 | 10:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No really? | 10:06 |
| summatusmentis | I just got a warning, but still | 10:06 |
| summatusmentis | I didn't realize I was going that fast | 10:06 |
| qwerty12 | ""Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo' "" | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | be happy it's a warning not a accident | 10:06 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: no, I agree | 10:06 |
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| summatusmentis | now you all hate me because I'm a reckless college student, and you won't ever help me w/ maemo(if/when I get a device) :( | 10:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, we've already got our reckless driver pariah. | 10:08 |
| summatusmentis | good, I hope I don't replace them | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and who said that we aren't all hypocrites, anyway? :P | 10:08 |
| * KotCzarny isn't | 10:08 | |
| qwerty12 | Me is. I'm gonna follow summatusmentis's example when I grow up :p | 10:09 |
| summatusmentis | lol, noone said that. I assume most OSS people aren't hypocrites though | 10:09 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: bad idea. The cop was nice tonight | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's because your unit system is ridiculous, qwerty12. :P | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, you'd be assuming wrong. | 10:09 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I was joking :) | 10:09 |
| summatusmentis | it's apparently DWI awareness night | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | You know London got da heat when there are more stabbings then most other places | 10:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 10:10 |
| summatusmentis | so they were pulling everyone over | 10:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the whole firearm ban worked out really well for you guys. . . . | 10:10 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, most killings are done with knives | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exactly. | 10:11 |
| summatusmentis | I was just gonna ask, how many of them are fatal? | 10:11 |
| qwerty12 | Most of them are. I've only heard of few people surviving after being knived. what upsets me is that most of the time, it's mistaken identity or for some "fun" | 10:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, firearms are generally less deadly than knives. | 10:12 |
| summatusmentis | I find that hard to swallow | 10:12 |
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| summatusmentis | considering the entire purpose behind a firearm is to kill something | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The reality of the situation is that a 9mm doesn't do nearly the damage that a 4" blade will. | 10:13 |
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| summatusmentis | hmm | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perceptions frequently don't have a lot to do with reality. ;) | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus there's the problem of actually hitting something. | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most criminals are pretty terrible shots. | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | This shit: http://www.fmft.net/archives/gangsta1/gangsta%201.JPG | 10:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work. | 10:14 |
| summatusmentis | hmmm.... | 10:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, you don't hit anything shooting like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/308315026_d3618fa5cf.jpg?v=0 | 10:15 |
| summatusmentis | I'll admit I'm just a stupid reckless college student, and don't really know what I'm talking about. | 10:16 |
| summatusmentis | Apple has a defense contract now? :-/ | 10:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tactical iPhone! | 10:19 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, throw the iBrick on someones head. | 10:19 |
| qwerty12 | Should do the trick | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reminds me of a cellphone commercial. . . . | 10:19 |
| summatusmentis | apparently apple bought a semi-conductor company that had a huge DoD contract | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7107840583664584754 | 10:20 |
| summatusmentis | and Apple is honoring it(i guess that makes sense...) | 10:20 |
| czr | hey GA & KotCzarny | 10:21 |
| forge | Nurr | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, czr. :) What's new in the world? | 10:21 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, I wouldn't know! I seldom wonder out in it. | 10:21 |
| czr | you? :-) | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | hi czr | 10:21 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I saw that one, like... actually on tv :) | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just started pluggin' away at the summer semester. | 10:21 |
| czr | GA, busy busy. working. which reminds me to get some milk. my coffee package depends on the milk virtual package :-( | 10:22 |
| summatusmentis | summer semester? :-/ | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | You gotta take at least one down here | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | czr: subscribe? | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:22 |
| summatusmentis | where is 'down here' ? | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it puts me in a better position credit-wise. | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida State | 10:22 |
| summatusmentis | oh really? they require a summer semester? that's annoying | 10:23 |
| czr | KotCzarny, I'm afraid they don't have that service here. or the mailman would misunderstand and just pour the coffee in through the door -> not nice.. | 10:23 |
| * qwerty12 likes Flo-Rida and T-Pain | 10:23 | |
| KotCzarny | czr: hrm, oursource then? | 10:23 |
| czr | but, there is respite after all. next thu me be a-flyin to .jp | 10:23 |
| czr | KotCzarny, you mean like a gf? contracts are PITA :-) | 10:23 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I'm sorry :( | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:23 |
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| czr | and you never know about the quality of outsourcing that you'll get in the end.. | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | czr: everything has it's dark side :) | 10:23 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, lol, why? | 10:24 |
| czr | KotCzarny, indeed. | 10:24 |
| czr | but I'm quite happy. my parser doesn't trip over 10TiB random binary data. | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | summatusmentis, yeah, something about having to run the AC all summer to keep the buildings from rotting away and wanting students there. :P | 10:24 |
| czr | which just means that I haven't really found the right combination yet. but at least it's not trivial :-) | 10:24 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I'm sorry you've been kept disconnected from good music, so as to be trained to enjoy that crap | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can get out of it fairly easily if you want, though. | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | czr: random data is limited to 256 possible states :) | 10:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just works out nicely for me. | 10:24 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: lol, oh, I guess that makes sense :) | 10:24 |
| czr | KotCzarny, yeah, but I'm not using the Debian PRNG ;-) | 10:25 |
| czr | was using urandom at first, but it's dog slow. | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:25 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, >.<;. This music is just too good not like that other crap | 10:25 |
| czr | now I'm using a 607 exp mersenne twister. | 10:25 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: I really, desperately, hope you're kidding :-/ | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | there was a nice visualization of misc oses rngs :) | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | I'm a 100% serious | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | made by lcamtuf :) | 10:26 |
| czr | KotCzarny, you mean the TCP/ISN-one? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:26 |
| czr | it was nice indeed. | 10:26 |
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| summatusmentis | qwerty12: :-/ | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | linux was bubbles ;) | 10:26 |
| czr | but I'm not after real randomness. just seedable repeatable randomness that is useful in monte carlo. if carlo likes it, IT MUST BE TRUE. | 10:27 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: live and let live, I guess... try listening to some Bob Marley... | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | wow, there is an update | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:27 |
| czr | KotCzarny, what is the probability of encountering a certain 32-bit pattern (byte-granular) in random input? | 10:27 |
| czr | it's not 1/2^32 mind you. | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, >.< >.> <.< | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | i guess that depends on randomnes of bytes | 10:28 |
| czr | assume they're perfectly random | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | b1*b2*b3*b4 ? | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bob Marley is the shit | 10:28 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: no, but seriously. I didn't mean to offend. I just really can't stand most mainstream music, let alone rap | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | as is Bob Dylan | 10:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a number of good Bobs. :P | 10:28 |
| czr | KotCzarny, but that's 1/(2^32) | 10:28 |
| czr | KotCzarny, I'm seeing it more often than that | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, Not offended :) | 10:29 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: for real | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | Just not to my taste | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | czr: in a perfect algo it's just that, i guess | 10:29 |
| summatusmentis | well, change your taste then! | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | YOU DON'T LIKE BOB MARLEY?!?! | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | i don't like regge | 10:29 |
| qwerty12 | YEP I DONT LIKE IT | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | at least not very often | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:29 |
| czr | KotCzarny, neh, I'm thinking that it's less. since the surrounding byte might "pre-match" stuff as well. or maybe something in my code is broken :-) | 10:30 |
| czr | I like BOB. I have his corpse right next to me here. we caress in the night. | 10:30 |
| czr | he sings and I .. well.. just enjoy myself. | 10:30 |
| summatusmentis | czr: you've sullied Bob Marley? | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | czr: ah, so you're asking about probability of a subsstring in a 4byte random string? | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:30 |
| czr | (seriously though haven't got a single track from B. Marley) | 10:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, something is seriously wrong with you. <_< | 10:30 |
| czr | KotCzarny, smt like that | 10:30 |
| czr | KotCzarny, but probably not that :-) | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | B.O.B is good | 10:31 |
| czr | KotCzarny, assume that you have 1 GiB of random sequential bytes | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | czr: defining the problem accurately is most often the answer :) | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Thank you :) | 10:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not in a good way either. :P | 10:31 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: Boys On B<explitive>z? or some other bad rap group? | 10:31 |
| czr | KotCzarny, how many times will a certain 32-bit sequence be present in the data. | 10:31 |
| summatusmentis | (I made that name up, I have no idea) | 10:32 |
| czr | N'Sync 4ever! | 10:32 |
| * czr hides & runs | 10:32 | |
| qwerty12 | lol, one person | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | N'SYNC? :O | 10:32 |
| qwerty12 | OMGWTF | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | from 1 to 1gig/2 (with 0101010..) ? | 10:32 |
| czr | hey, telecom.. | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:32 |
| czr | sync is important. | 10:32 |
| summatusmentis | qwerty12: you and czr are on about the same level in music taste, fwiw | 10:32 |
| czr | summatusmentis, at least we have some.. | 10:33 |
| czr | err. | 10:33 |
| summatusmentis | (assuming he was serious about N'Sync, which I doubt) | 10:33 |
| summatusmentis | czr: :D | 10:33 |
| czr | I don't do boybands. | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | eew, boybands. They should pull the trigger on themselves | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | czr, double meaning? | 10:33 |
| summatusmentis | I would say something crude, but I don't know what the rules are here | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | *bands are for teens | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | and pre teens | 10:33 |
| czr | qwerty12, well, I don't listen to them nor do them :-) | 10:33 |
| summatusmentis | well, nvm, qwerty12 went there anyway | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 10:34 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: any band? or just bands that fall under a *band category? | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | ok .+band | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:35 |
| czr | band-gaps | 10:35 |
| czr | uh oh. hit a recognized PDU in the random stream.. | 10:36 |
| * czr curses | 10:36 | |
| Grackle | wrist bands | 10:36 |
| czr | weird. I'm getting bytes that should be dropped.. | 10:37 |
| * czr curses some more | 10:37 | |
| * qwerty12 tries building truecrypt 5.1a... | 10:39 | |
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| czr | ah, found the snag. | 10:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws a monkey wrench in qwerty12's make. | 10:39 | |
| czr | hmm. now I have to restart the 10TiB payload testing.. argh. | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, it must have hit :p | 10:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's for having bad taste in music! :P | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | I hate having to apply patches by hand... | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | Muahahahahaha | 10:40 |
| czr | you mean like coding? | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | I mean opening up the patch and copying and pasting the patch into the right file because it wont apply with patch -p1 | 10:40 |
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| czr | I know what you mean :-) | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 10:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a spy! | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | It's all GeneralAntilles's fault! | 10:41 |
| czr | I'm just too lazy to fix my code at the moment so I'm pulling your leg (or arm, can't tell which) | 10:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I plead the 5th! | 10:42 |
| summatusmentis | I'm going to bed. Night all | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | night | 10:42 |
| czr | night? tis morning here.. | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | Wait until I find this monkey wrench and send it to florida with a popup thing.... | 10:42 |
| czr | well, not even morning anymore | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | czr, same here hehe | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | I count 8:42AM morning :p | 10:42 |
| czr | 1043 here. | 10:43 |
| czr | In the happy country of the Borg. | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I see. /me checks czr's country | 10:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles has permanent monkey-wrench protection. | 10:45 | |
| qwerty12 | It expired a while ago, renew your subscription. | 10:48 |
| czr | explains the number of monkeys on GA's yard | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have no yard! | 10:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Joke's on you. | 10:48 |
| * GeneralAntilles runs in circles. | 10:48 | |
| * RST38h switched to this window and read "I expired a while ago" | 10:48 | |
| * qwerty12 REALLY hates it when my fan in my computer whirs up when compiling | 10:48 | |
| * czr runs in triangles | 10:48 | |
| RST38h | Umgh | 10:48 |
| * qwerty12 runs in squars | 10:49 | |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 10:49 | |
| czr | qwerty12, pull it out! | 10:49 |
| czr | damn I need some coffee. | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | czr, We actually did that to a school computer once... | 10:49 |
| czr | qwerty12, how did it end? | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Lots of parts were taken and it was running all night. I felt sorry for the technician who took it.... | 10:50 |
| czr | heh | 10:50 |
| czr | I rarely meet people who do that on purpose ;-) | 10:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Come to London | 10:50 |
| czr | maybe someday. never visited london properly. | 10:51 |
| czr | I'll take some cpu fans with me | 10:52 |
| RST38h | ethanol is known to have pretty low evaporation point | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | lol. I'd like to get out of London for a while, never been anywhere else except W.Yorkshire, North of UK. | 10:52 |
| czr | I'm going to .jp next thu. la-la-la-la. | 10:53 |
| czr | I wonder how many schoolgirls I can take back with me as hand-luggage | 10:53 |
| qwerty12 | My cousin is in Japan :D. I hear they have some super advanced weed | 10:53 |
| czr | heh. | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | This cracks me up about Japan's tech: http://wikitravel.org/en/Image:WirelessToiletControlPanel.jpg | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | What says more than that. | 10:54 |
| tank-man | are those breasts or balls? | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | Forget a lever, these guys are pimpin up their toilets too | 10:54 |
| czr | inginious | 10:55 |
| czr | ingenious even | 10:55 |
| czr | bleh. I don't do english. | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently not. :P | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | Nah den | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 10:56 |
| RST38h | so maybe you better take THAT...for liquid cooli | 10:58 |
| RST38h | [shit, computer crashed between those two lines =)] | 10:58 |
| * KotCzarny didn't have computer crash in a long time | 10:59 | |
| RST38h | qwerty12: when you have got paper walls and a customary 5cm hole under each of your doors, and no heating except for a kerosene heater in one room, advancing toilets is all you have left to do | 11:00 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 11:00 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, the lies! | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Kot: It is a hardware problem. Apparently, either HD cable is flaky or there is some dust shorting things out | 11:01 |
| AStorm | I had an N810 crash... does that count? | 11:01 |
| czr | heh RST38h | 11:01 |
| patoh | AStorm: what did you do to it? | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 is always crashing | 11:01 |
| AStorm | launched camera proggy | 11:01 |
| AStorm | it has 50% chance of crashing N810 | 11:01 |
| patoh | haha | 11:01 |
| RST38h | never crashed my N810, but then I keep it in relatively virgin state | 11:01 |
| AStorm | here, the WM tended to crash when I had powerwhatever installed | 11:02 |
| AStorm | now it doesn't anymore | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I think we can lay the blame for that squarely on you. :P ;) | 11:02 |
| AStorm | ;D | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, Hehe. ATM, my N800 has no hacks but application manager sends N800 into full cpu and mem. | 11:03 |
| RST38h | All right this thing better not crash until iNES-Symbian distribution script finishes | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | iNES-Symbian? BOO | 11:03 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, I have 2 symbian phones :/ | 11:04 |
| RST38h | See? =) | 11:04 |
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| acehighness | anyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ? | 11:11 |
| * qwerty12 finally has Truecrypt 5.1 binary :). ARM emulation really sucks though : "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'TrueCrypt::TestFailed' | 11:11 | |
| qwerty12 | what(): TrueCrypt::PlatformTest::TestAll:202 | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268 | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238 | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268 | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238 | 11:11 |
| qwerty12 | make[1]: *** [truecrypt] Error 127 | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | make: *** [all] Error 2 | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | " | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | upgrade your quemu | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | Sorry. | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | to cvs version | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | you can select it when configuring target | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok , thanks | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | or you can reconfigure target withour reinstalling everything | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | it's already installed, you have simply to select it | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: or use rsbh or something - make it run on the n8x0, that solves most emulation problems for me | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that's another option | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | even if it increases compilation time ;) | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | installing dev toolchain on device :) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | didn't even do that, it just NFS mounted my scratchbox binaries | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | well | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | i use sshfs | 11:14 |
| qwerty12 | I'll look into upgrading qemu :) | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | but idea remains the same | 11:14 |
| acehighness | anyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?.. i dont understand where i must find dosbox.conf on the filesystem | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | Will the qemu-arm-eabi version be alright? | 11:16 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: using pupnik's dosbox? | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty, do you install something or it's already installed? | 11:16 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Don't understand question :/ | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | sb-conf st -t qemu-arm-cvs | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | you can list them with: sb-conf ls -t * | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh, I see. qemu-arm-cvs doesn't exist, I'll compile that. | 11:23 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks. | 11:24 |
| infobot | qwerty12: my pleasure | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | don't compile.. | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | it should be available | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, not you, tosser | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | or you can get one from: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | Muahahaha, thanks | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | though i don't see qemu in that dir anymore | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/testing/ | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe this one | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | anyway | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | i should be sleeping already | 11:25 |
| patoh | does the N810 come with a chat client | 11:26 |
| patoh | ?* | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jabber/Google Talk as bundled | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | More with 3rd party stuff and the beta release. | 11:28 |
| * qwerty12 finds it a shame rtcomm beta was never bundled with diablo | 11:28 | |
| RST38h | Surgical Robot Removes Calgary Woman's Brain | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, we're not there yet. :P | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Tumor | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | rst: is it good or bad? | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Kot: heheh | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | any idea what causes 'LOC: 82430 Local timer interrupts' ? | 11:29 |
| * RST38h is using Pidgin anyway. RTComm just didn't feel right | 11:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is so bad on the tablets. | 11:30 |
| qwerty12 | Agreed. | 11:30 |
| RST38h | Works fine for me | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just not set up for that environment. | 11:30 |
| AStorm | isn't bad | 11:30 |
| RST38h | Has got a few problems | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm works great for me. | 11:30 |
| AStorm | minor problems, yes | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't have to think about it. | 11:30 |
| AStorm | rtcomm has crummy ui | 11:30 |
| qwerty12 | Although I do like guifications | 11:30 |
| RST38h | Mostly connection stuff | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin just takes up space. | 11:30 |
| AStorm | no real contacts list | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they'd fix Speed Contacts already. | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe they fucked it up so bad in the first place. | 11:31 |
| RST38h | RTComm not configurable enough, has non-functional contact list | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | I can't believe the source is closed to such a shit applet anyway :/ | 11:31 |
| RST38h | GA: It can't be fucked up this much by negligence | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Contacts list is fine. | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's called "Contacts" :P | 11:32 |
| RST38h | This level of fucking-up requires extensive thought work | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | Although I don't really use Pidgin much, here's why I like it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1638&stc=1&d=1210421602 :p | 11:32 |
| RST38h | So, my guess is, unless the change the person responsible for it, it will only become worse | 11:32 |
| RST38h | You mean the little black things? I don't have them installed, alas | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :) | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | It's good for keeping track without switching to pidgin | 11:33 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, it's too hard to get to (the contact list) | 11:35 |
| AStorm | and is a separate proggie which starts in 5s | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leave it open, then. :P | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like you leave Pidgin open. . . . | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they'd just fix Speed Contacts the issue would be moot, anyway. | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote for my bug! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2288 | 11:36 |
| RST38h | GA: + make it possible to select font size | 11:36 |
| RST38h | + do the same for @#^%$ rss applet | 11:37 |
| acehighness | solmumaha: i was checking to see which one i have installed, i'm actually not sure anymore. are there different versions available ? | 11:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1 request per bug. :P | 11:37 |
| RST38h | + make rss applet show news without starting up web browser | 11:37 |
| acehighness | i can find the executable in usr/bin | 11:37 |
| acehighness | but no config file | 11:37 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: don't think so :) | 11:37 |
| solmumaha | /usr/share/dosbox/dosbox.conf | 11:38 |
| solmumaha | ? | 11:38 |
| acehighness | i want to put drive mapping to my mmc card in the config file, as I cant seem to type the / character using the n810 keyboard in dosbox | 11:38 |
| acehighness | ahh... thanks ! | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, If you don't mind me asking, why will load-applet boost speed? | 11:38 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: tried rubybox? | 11:39 |
| acehighness | no i havent ... is the ruby platform big to install ? | 11:39 |
| acehighness | i remember installing it on my n800 and it was huge | 11:40 |
| acehighness | maybe im spacing | 11:40 |
| acehighness | hehe | 11:40 |
| acehighness | i guess it would save me a lot of hassle if it has a gui yeah | 11:40 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: under 10 mb i guess | 11:41 |
| acehighness | hmm no /dosbox under /usr/share | 11:41 |
| solmumaha | but it makes using dosbox way easier | 11:42 |
| AStorm | solmumaha: config command, use it | 11:42 |
| AStorm | inside the dosbox | 11:42 |
| acehighness | just 'config' ? | 11:42 |
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| acehighness | ah yes | 11:43 |
| RST38h | qwerty: My speculation is, once emulator loads the cpu to 100% and makes applet update, its update mechanism somehow keeps the system from lowering cpu frequency | 11:43 |
| acehighness | cool thanks AStorm | 11:43 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: use the version from pupnik.de for os2008 | 11:43 |
| RST38h | qwerty: it may sound improbable but I have run out of other explanations | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, ahh :). Could be right, I dunno anything :) | 11:44 |
| acehighness | ok im gonna remove and reinstall from there | 11:44 |
| AStorm | I think dosbox will be too slow... | 11:44 |
| AStorm | no dynamic CPU emulation yet | 11:44 |
| AStorm | write one for ARM | 11:44 |
| acehighness | its ok i wanna run slow stuff hehe | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | can I use arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 instead of cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm for CHINOOK_ARMEL target fine? | 11:44 |
| solmumaha | rubybox comes with a game downloader and online settings database | 11:44 |
| acehighness | a game downloader ? wow | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: create a new target for experiments | 11:45 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: sure, you could | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | that way you can simply remove it later and use your old one | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | Will do both :). I'll try it out on a new target 1st. | 11:45 |
| acehighness | my application manager is messed up ... i cant read the names of the applications because the first column is only 3 chars wide | 11:45 |
| acehighness | i guess it was the lcars theme crap i tried | 11:46 |
| AStorm | acehighness: normal, it;s not messed up | 11:46 |
| AStorm | it's that some version number is too long | 11:46 |
| acehighness | ah | 11:46 |
| acehighness | anyway to change the way it displays ? | 11:46 |
| AStorm | impossible with the release version | 11:47 |
| AStorm | SVN version has it fixed | 11:47 |
| acehighness | hmm ok | 11:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's fixed in Diablo, acehighness. | 11:50 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: should I install Diablo? >_> | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | I like Diablo except for MicroB | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | MicroB has gone down in Diablo | 11:51 |
| acehighness | installed version from pupnik.de now | 11:51 |
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| acehighness | and i'll install rubybox while im at it | 11:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, we haven't hit release yet. | 11:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're probably still at least a month away. :P | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, meh. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really, REALLY like the finger keyboard improvements. | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | But MicroB is in a weak state in the current release | 11:54 |
| Veggen | qwerty: ugh. And I hate microB for being a memory pig already before Diablo... | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I can't stop myself from installing stuff like this. ;) | 11:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Veggen, it can only get better. | 11:54 |
| Veggen | GA: I hope so :) | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | They didn't have time to merge trunk for Diablo | 11:55 |
| solmumaha | acehighness: remember to register to get the most out of it | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on track for Diablo+1 | 11:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and looking at the improvements from Firefox 3 alpha 1 to now it's going to be a doozie. | 11:55 |
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| acehighness | i obviously had the wrong dosbox installed | 12:01 |
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| gourdin | hi there | 12:02 |
| acehighness | this one indeed automounts 'dos' folders on the mmc card | 12:02 |
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| acehighness | ok this roxx | 12:03 |
| gourdin | can we enlarge fonts only in the browser ? | 12:03 |
| gourdin | zooming the images is toobslow | 12:03 |
| Veggen | GA: Ah, but of course someone could compile trunk themselves? | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi compiled the svn from a few weeks ago. | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is already looking quite a bit better than Chinook MicroB (scrolling is at better-than-Opera levels) | 12:04 |
| gourdin | is this a place to ask maemo browser questions ? :) | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is anything and everything maemo. | 12:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a lot of things that aren't, too. ;) | 12:08 |
| gourdin | :) | 12:08 |
| gourdin | when can we hope a ff3 version of microb ? | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We have one now. | 12:09 |
| gourdin | ?? | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | gourdin: ever checked ua string? | 12:09 |
| gourdin | fennec ? | 12:10 |
| AStorm | it's old FF3 | 12:10 |
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| AStorm | buggy one | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alpha 1 | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But FF3 all the same. | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be merged with trunk by Diablo+1 | 12:10 |
| AStorm | we need one based on recent RC | 12:10 |
| AStorm | ... | 12:10 |
| gourdin | KotCzarny: ua strings ? | 12:10 |
| AStorm | which means after Fx3 release? | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | user agent | 12:10 |
| gourdin | KotCzarny: yup | 12:11 |
| patoh | how mature is Diablo? | 12:11 |
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| patoh | sorry, stable :P | 12:11 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: diablo ? | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's still a month or two from releaes. | 12:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/releaes/release/ | 12:11 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: It's still a month or two from release. | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | wasn't it meant for Q2 2008 ? | 12:12 |
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| AStorm | ;> | 12:12 |
| forge | I would imagine them releasing it along with the wimax edition of hw | 12:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | July 9th is the supposed date for N810W | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it'll be around then or sooner. | 12:12 |
| forge | YEah | 12:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | For small values of two months. ;) | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3095 | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | wii controller fun.. | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:14 |
| gourdin | diablo is the next os name ? | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | looks shopped though | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Next OS2008 version, name. | 12:14 |
| forge | No kidding it's shopped ? | 12:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo 4.1 | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | but idea is nice ;) | 12:14 |
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| gourdin | why can t we just enlarge fonts in tghe browser, it should be less cpu consuming, some sites are unwatchable because lots of jpegs | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do so | 12:19 |
| AStorm | gourdin: there is an option for that, probably | 12:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are plenty of tutorials covering it. | 12:19 |
| AStorm | and you can use your own style sheet | 12:19 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. I like the idea of using WiMax more and more, to be honest. | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | and you can use regular about:config tricks | 12:20 |
| AStorm | I like it too, but there will be none here for a long time | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | 3G phone works for me | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | dsl works for me | 12:21 |
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| patoh | there there a maemo themes website? | 12:21 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: Yeah, not sure about this location. I know that there are some providers here | 12:21 |
| Blafasel | And regarding the UMTS phone: Thanks a lot to the guy in here that brought the E51 to my attention ;) I love it so far. | 12:22 |
| AStorm | E51 is too large for me | 12:22 |
| qwerty12 | I'm waiting for N96. I'll be able to replace my P1 and N80. And probably W810 :/ | 12:23 |
| AStorm | any other nice small HSDPA phone? | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | But I love the Bass on my W810 | 12:23 |
| gourdin | KotCzarny: i m just saying adding an option in the menu woudnt hurt annyone :) | 12:23 |
| AStorm | N96 is too large too | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | I carry N800 & N80. Size is no problem for me. | 12:23 |
| Blafasel | AStorm: I went for it because it doesn't have a camera and is quite/very thin | 12:23 |
| AStorm | carry where? | 12:23 |
| AStorm | not that thin | 12:23 |
| AStorm | and camera may be useful | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | to school :/ | 12:24 |
| AStorm | but where? in a pocket? | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah | 12:24 |
| gourdin | AStorm: i don t find the option ;) | 12:24 |
| AStorm | I hope not in the pants? | 12:24 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Everything's relative, I guess. I didn't want a camera for sure and never had a slimmer phone. Motorola's series might be slimmer, but I don't know good 3g phones there. | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | Moto's suck | 12:24 |
| glass | n95 fits my pants pockets nicely, 770 not so nicely | 12:24 |
| AStorm | well, yep, they do | 12:25 |
| AStorm | N810 is a bit large already | 12:25 |
| AStorm | my ID cards take too much space already | 12:25 |
| acehighness | n810 is ok in my pocket | 12:25 |
| AStorm | it is ok | 12:25 |
| acehighness | better then the n800 was | 12:26 |
| AStorm | but it takes a whole pocket | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: carry a backpack? | 12:26 |
| acehighness | yeah you need a dedicated pocket hehe | 12:26 |
| AStorm | it could've been slimmer, looking at the design | 12:26 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Wearing baggy style trousers I have no problems with space ;) | 12:26 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yeah, sure, as if I want to | 12:26 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: you say there are plenty of tuts ? can you point me on one of it ? i m googling and am out of luck... | 12:26 |
| * KotCzarny carries a backpack all the time | 12:26 | |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: thus, you fail the hip test? ;P | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | i'm me | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | i don't need no stinkin' tests :P | 12:27 |
| AStorm | you don't need them, but other people test you all the time | 12:27 |
| AStorm | thus, you fail ;D | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:28 |
| AStorm | oh, sure | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | sidestepping is better word | 12:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gourdin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18333 | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | hah, hpet=force | 12:29 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: thx ! | 12:30 |
| AStorm | uhm, N810 doesn't have a HPET? | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 12:30 |
| AStorm | it doesn't | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | but my laptop does | 12:31 |
| AStorm | yes, laptop should have one | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | not necessarily | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:31 |
| AStorm | some have these uninited | 12:31 |
| AStorm | because BIOS is written by Chinese contractors | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes, ich[34] needs force enabling | 12:31 |
| qwerty12 | I'm surprised the BIOS hasn't been cloned yet. | 12:32 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: LinuxBIOS? | 12:32 |
| AStorm | you know, it's hard work | 12:32 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, a Chinese clone | 12:32 |
| AStorm | they're bound by NDA | 12:33 |
| AStorm | and each mainboard is slightly different | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.revver.com/video/719432/etch-a-sketch-clock/ | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:36 |
| AStorm | blah blalh | 12:36 |
| AStorm | ok, I'll have to hack maemopad+ to not gobble RAM | 12:37 |
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| AStorm | and to allow resizing of the drawing pad | 12:37 |
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| qwerty12 | Yum. RAM. | 12:37 |
| AStorm | ;P | 12:37 |
| LoCusF | anyone remember the free upload site url where one could upload IT stuff? | 12:37 |
| LoCusF | afaik it was is ITT somewhere | 12:38 |
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| acehighness | what is the name of the actual browser in maemo ? | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | MicroB | 12:40 |
| LoCusF | browser | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | oh, command line | 12:41 |
| acehighness | nah i just meant what browser is it | 12:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools for me? | 12:41 |
| LoCusF | oh ok | 12:41 |
| AStorm | s/tools /tools package/ | 12:41 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: KotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools packagefor me? | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i thought someone else compiled it for you | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:41 |
| AStorm | infobot: you suck | 12:41 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 12:41 |
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| qwerty12 | infobot, you suck **** | 12:42 |
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| qwerty12 | "and very well I might add" | 12:42 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: which hanged | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | hehehe, quick cheap laugh | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | didn't traced further conversation then | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:43 |
| gourdin | i can t empty microb cache | 12:43 |
| AStorm | gourdin: it's memory cache | 12:43 |
| gourdin | where are the files so i can | 12:43 |
| AStorm | just restart it | 12:43 |
| AStorm | there's no disk cache | 12:43 |
| gourdin | about:config takes forever, it ok ? | 12:43 |
| Blafasel | Or don't watch porn on it in the first place | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:43 |
| gourdin | Blafasel: i m trying i m trying :) | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | enabling swap could help too | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | To stop watching porn? | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: i think the only sure way is castration | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 12:45 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: so build me one | 12:45 |
| qwerty12 | painful | 12:45 |
| AStorm | might be a tar.gz | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: there are painless methods, you know | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | bricks are so XIX century | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | I wouldn't ;) | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:46 |
| AStorm | bbl | 12:46 |
| gourdin | about:config freeze microb ! | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something's wrong, then, gourdin. | 12:47 |
| gourdin | all of this only to enlarge penHHHfonts... | 12:48 |
| gourdin | GeneralAntilles: i agree :) | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | well, magnifying glass could do that in realtime | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | high fps, low cpu usage | 12:48 |
| gourdin | hey, wtf, i blanked the start page, microb starts on home.html | 12:50 |
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| LoCusF | I disabled the scrollbar via gconf in osso-xterm, how can I get it back again :) ? | 12:52 |
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| qwerty12 | If you use osso-xterm svn, it has option. or you can set option again. | 12:52 |
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| LoCusF | don't have that | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | While you are there, mind dumping me /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys ? :D | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | I'll take a look for scrollbar option | 12:53 |
| LoCusF | umm wait a moment | 12:53 |
| LoCusF | I can't dump the entire thing since I don't have the scrollbar :) | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | setting /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar should do it | 12:54 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:54 |
| gourdin | typing browser about:blank in term lauch microb on home;hmlt (startpage is blaanked in config) why ? | 12:55 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12: thanks, got it | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 12:56 |
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| gourdin | does nokia really sell this to me ? ;) | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's irritating and stupid | 12:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | More UI spec nonsense, gourdin. | 12:57 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12: my key_labels and keys are nondefault? | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | Really fscking irritating and stupid. | 12:57 |
| qwerty12 | LoCusF, No problems, I just need at least the defaults :). I messed mine up installing .13 in diablo. | 12:57 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12: oh ok | 12:58 |
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| gourdin | ok, i cant goto about:config | 12:58 |
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| acehighness | http://www.portability.nl/internet-tablet-family/guides/how-to-set-the-default-font-size-in-your-browser.html | 12:58 |
| LoCusF | qwerty12: [<alt>a,<alt>2,Tab,Page_Up,Page_Down,Home,End] = keys | 12:58 |
| gourdin | is there another way to edit microb confib ? | 12:58 |
| acehighness | but i think it says the same thing | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | LoCusF, Many thanks | 12:59 |
| LoCusF | np :) | 12:59 |
| gourdin | whats irritating ? | 12:59 |
| rm_you | the current lack of johnx is depressing | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | UI spec, gourdin. | 13:00 |
| gourdin | 'k | 13:00 |
| rm_you | also, that my server/buildbox is in a fedex truck currently | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor rm_you. | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Always suffering. | 13:01 |
| rm_you | >_> | 13:01 |
| rm_you | i am | 13:01 |
| rm_you | ALWAYS >_< | 13:01 |
| * rm_you suffers loudly in a corner | 13:01 | |
| KotCzarny | If not time-travel, other exciting thing produced by LHC may be: | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | The end of the world as we know it | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | don't worry | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | take your time | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:02 |
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| * GeneralAntilles idly throws pieces of garbage at rm_you. | 13:02 | |
| rm_you | bah | 13:02 |
| rm_you | i actually dont WANT to go home for summer break really <_< | 13:03 |
| rm_you | it's such a hassle | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: then go on a vacations in .fi | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:03 |
| rm_you | i wanted to try to hit up linuxtag | 13:03 |
| rm_you | but i couldnt quite get the money together | 13:03 |
| rm_you | plus i realized i would then not have anything left for the rest of summer :P | 13:03 |
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| rm_you | so, anyone used hostgator.com for hosting? | 13:04 |
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| rm_you | i'm trying it out... so far it seems ridiculous | 13:04 |
| * KotCzarny uses his laptop for hosting | 13:04 | |
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| * qwerty12 can tell | 13:05 | |
| qwerty12 | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39418766,00.htm | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | Sounds fun | 13:05 |
| rm_you | $9.95 a month for 600GB of space and 6000GB of bandwidth | 13:06 |
| rm_you | does that seem entirely ridiculous to anyone else? | 13:06 |
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| KotCzarny | well | 13:06 |
| rm_you | like... it's not even in the same order of magnitude as any other hosting i've seen for that price | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't say anything about server speed | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 13:06 |
| rm_you | it seems fast | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | then try looking for small print | 13:07 |
| rm_you | was hoping someone else would have experience/thoughts about it | 13:07 |
| rm_you | didn't see any >_> | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:07 |
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| rm_you | well whatev | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | bed time, night people | 13:08 |
| acehighness | all cheap hosting are ripoiffs | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | night | 13:08 |
| rm_you | i got my first month free with some promotion code, so if i dont like it, nothing lost | 13:08 |
| acehighness | ripoffs even | 13:08 |
| rm_you | night | 13:08 |
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| lardman | oooo, exciting, output data :) | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | So, has anyone tried upstart on N800? I've built a binary, lets see if it works... | 13:16 |
| rm_you | lardman: ?? | 13:16 |
| rm_you | on what? | 13:16 |
| rm_you | I hope DSP-SBC :P | 13:16 |
| lardman | yep | 13:16 |
| * rm_you dances | 13:17 | |
| lardman | need to compile the encoder on x86 and compare the output | 13:17 |
| rm_you | i wish i could buy you dinner :P | 13:17 |
| lardman | still producing a bus error at the end, so not quite ready | 13:17 |
| qwerty12 | WOAH. This will be great :) | 13:17 |
| lardman | just because it's output something, doesn't mean to say it#s the right something of course! | 13:18 |
| rm_you | see, i greatly overestimated the difficulty rating of this project... | 13:18 |
| * lardman attempts to control expectations | 13:18 | |
| rm_you | it never occurred to me to just convert the x86 SBC encoder :P | 13:18 |
| rm_you | i was always thinking about writing it from scratch, lol | 13:19 |
| rm_you | which would require a LOT of research :P | 13:19 |
| lardman | yeah, definitely go from existing code | 13:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, wish me luck. I'm gonna install upstart :/ | 13:21 |
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| LoCusF | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=182911#post182911 | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | Just saw, nice job :) | 13:24 |
| LoCusF | thanks :) | 13:25 |
| infobot | pas de quoi, LoCusF | 13:25 |
| LoCusF | wtf | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | For me : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182899&postcount=57 & http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20168 :D | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | WOAH | 13:26 |
| qwerty12 | My N800 boots a shit load faster with upstart# | 13:27 |
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| Stskeeps | on debian or maemo? | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't like being shut down though. | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | maemo | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | I need to set up fb_update_mode again and see the problem | 13:29 |
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| lardman | hmm, sbcenc segfaults when compiled on x86 | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | I'll try initng now. | 13:33 |
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| lardman | ah, much better, I'd #defined VERSION as an fp number (to get around my lack of a Makefile) | 13:34 |
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| * lardman reports that the outputs don't match | 13:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, remember that locking bug where after a while you couldn't unlock the device because it didn't see the center dpad click? | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | Yes :) | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you noticed it in Diablo yet? | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | No, all my unlocks have been successful. | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just did 30 of them in a row | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No troubles. | 13:36 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, good, the bugs have already been resolved. | 13:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles is trudging through the UNCONFIRMED bugs . . . | 13:39 | |
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| * lardman spots a small hinderance, 73byte chunks are written in sbc format every time | 13:41 | |
| lardman | Need to make sure odd numbers of bytes can be written correctly | 13:41 |
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| user__ | wow hi | 13:46 |
| user__ | anyone here | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only the zombies. | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | |o| | 13:47 |
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| woodong50 | yesterday i knew how to watch no incoding | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, did you happen to restore a Chinook backup into Diablo? | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, No. Clean start | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering if a backup will un-disable Extras now. | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | *restoring a | 13:50 |
| woodong50 | diablo game? | 13:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, Diablo being Chinook+1 | 13:51 |
| woodong50 | ok | 13:51 |
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| woodong50 | does n8x0 support mms://? | 13:52 |
| woodong50 | streaming address mms:// | 13:53 |
| lardman | mplayer does iirc | 13:53 |
| woodong50 | iirc? | 13:54 |
| lardman | this is for video/audio streaming? | 13:54 |
| woodong50 | ok | 13:54 |
| lardman | ~iirc | 13:54 |
| infobot | rumour has it, iirc is "if I recall correctly" | 13:54 |
| woodong50 | iirc appl? | 13:55 |
| lardman | actually, is mms for windows media player? | 13:56 |
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| woodong50 | probably | 13:56 |
| lardman | I'll just go back to sleep | 13:57 |
| lardman | anyone else want to answer who knows? | 13:58 |
| woodong50 | bye | 13:58 |
| woodong50 | what is your time | 13:58 |
| lardman | it was a figure of speech, it's 12 noon here | 13:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Alright, there's 12 bugs actioned. | 14:15 |
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| disq | gah. by the time i notice the diablo thread the diablo updates dir is restricted again | 15:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | There are ways 2 get password | 15:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I was 1st one to do it :p | 15:40 |
| GAN800 | qwerty the braggart.. . . . ;p | 15:42 |
| disq | i better start reading the irclogs for clues then | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GAN800, Naturally :p | 15:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | disq, read the thread ;) | 15:42 |
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| disq | oh ok | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Does OS2008 save coredumps somewhere? | 15:45 |
| GAN800 | On the card | 15:45 |
| RST38h | (and if it does, is it possible to do a postmortem on one? | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, Make folder on card | 15:45 |
| GAN800 | disq, apt source. | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mkdir /media/mmc1/core-dumps | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Or install NITRO. Coredumps are enabled at initfs time. | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | disq: ditto, I've decided not to bother with the hackery | 15:47 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa iz boring | 15:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | El Diablo blows Jaffa away | 15:48 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 15:48 |
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| * Jaffa doesn't want to lose his navicore changes before he goes on holiday | 15:50 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | This bug catches me off guard and cracks me up everytime I see it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmao | 15:58 |
| practisevoodoo | does anything in the internet calls prog support video calls? | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm voting :p | 15:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My favorite bug ever. | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | practisevoodoo, tablet-to-tablet with Google Talk | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Hoho, SlideRule runs! Almost fully! | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Controls work, graphics draw, derivatives get computed! | 15:59 |
| practisevoodoo | only tablet to tablet? | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | SlideRule? | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use Gizmo or aMSN for tablet-pc | 15:59 |
| practisevoodoo | thats just stupid | 16:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | meh | 16:00 |
| disq | qwerty12_N800: ooh. found the diff | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nice :) | 16:01 |
| felipec | why not telepathy-haze? | 16:01 |
| felipec | for msn | 16:01 |
| RST38h | qwerty: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ | 16:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nice! :) | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | felipec, do it do video? | 16:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/do/does/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: felipec, does it do video? | 16:02 |
| felipec | GeneralAntilles: not yet | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then there's your answer. :P | 16:03 |
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| felipec | GeneralAntilles: so you prefer something ugly, slow and destined to die (aMSN)? | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It supports video | 16:06 |
| disq | pfft. first i have to revert the xserver and stuff | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | He wanted something to do tablet-pc video. | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I gave him his options. | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | If telepathy-haze support MSN video I would of answered with that. | 16:07 |
| felipec | GeneralAntilles: ahh, does it really works? amsn on tablet-pc? | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far as I've been informed. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't tested it myself. | 16:07 |
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| x1alpha | Hello is it possible to have a "normal" gnome desktop on maemo ? | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | Possible? Yes. Done? NAFAIK. KDE3's been done, though. | 16:11 |
| x1alpha | Thanks jaffa :) yep i managed to find howto's for kde on google but not gnome. | 16:12 |
| infobot | x1alpha: pas de quoi | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | XFCE, IceWM and others, too. | 16:12 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 wants black theme for os2008 that isn't fugly as lcars :/ | 16:19 | |
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| patoh | qwerty12_N800: tried writing one? | 16:21 |
| patoh | basing it off a fugly black theme | 16:21 |
| LoCusF | hmm I found something out, if you are in a shell in /media/mmc1, ie. one's cwd is that directory, then the unmounting of mmc1 isn't correctly done and when you re-insert the card it complains about corruptidness. So just cd out of the directory in shell and re-insert the card to get it working again | 16:21 |
| patoh | and improving it | 16:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Have no art skills | 16:21 |
| patoh | qwerty12_N800: its only colours ;) | 16:22 |
| patoh | most image parts can be borrowed from other themes | 16:22 |
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| patoh | as long as they are GPL and you thank the author :) | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Find a stick and start prodding konttori with it. :P | 16:22 |
| patoh | that also works ;) | 16:23 |
| * qwerty12_N800 steals GeneralAntilles's stick and prods konttori with it | 16:23 | |
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| lopz | morning | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: A Dr. Who theme! The official British answer to LCARS theme! | 16:44 |
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| patoh | LCARS? | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | google it | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | lcars maemo | 16:45 |
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| pupnik | that's fitting, as the tablets are 'bigger inside than out' | 16:47 |
| patoh | haha | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: weird, but I am also getting this feeling every now and then | 16:50 |
| RST38h | it does not occur with PC-based UMPS though. | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/18/asus-and-msi-have-some-splaining-to-do/ <--- hehehehehe | 16:52 |
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| johnx | yeah, saw that just now | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | hehe, a Dr. Who theme... | 16:52 |
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| johnx | RST38h, stuff like that happens all the time, but it's hilarious when 2 companies copy the same pic | 16:53 |
| RST38h | to market identical products too | 16:54 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Got a quick q, is it alright if I delete ~/.mozilla folder? | 17:00 |
| johnx | probably | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, you'll lose all your settings | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N800, but yeah, shouldn't be too bad | 17:01 |
| johnx | If I were you I would just mv .mozilla .mozilla.bak | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I know :), thanks | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | it will get recreated | 17:02 |
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| _freelikegnu | RST38h: Dr Who theme? hmm I do think I want to fasten a toiled plunger to my NIT ;-) | 17:11 |
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| Jaffa | The Daily Mail is hilarious: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879 | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Emo's are stupid anyway | 17:36 |
| johnx | this is why I'm against ties | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: most ppl are stupid, Daily Mail readers doubly so. | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Evil Emo Cult! | 17:37 |
| johnx | People are ignoring the root cause here: ties! | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa, hehe. I just read the bbc news. | 17:37 |
| johnx | I call for an immediate ban | 17:37 |
| * RST38h remembers a quote from bash.org "Me and my brother went mugging emos last night -- So, how did it go? -- Well, I lost a tooth and he got a rib broken" | 17:37 | |
| patoh | RST38h: well they all want to die, so they love a good fight ;) | 17:38 |
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| RST38h | Why hasn't anybody noticed a link between emos and bin Laden/ | 17:38 |
| patoh | because his not a folder... | 17:39 |
| johnx | nah, that emus | 17:39 |
| johnx | can't trust those things... | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Both emos and muslim terorrists want to die! | 17:39 |
| patoh | haha | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | Quick, send anyone who wears black to Gitmo. | 17:39 |
| patoh | I can't think of an non racist comparson | 17:39 |
| * Jaffa checks: phew, mostly blue today | 17:39 | |
| johnx | Jaffa, yeah that would be a lot of people wearing suits | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | Oh no! Tomorrow I turn emo | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | ...and there is a tie involved. Suspicious. | 17:40 |
| patoh | emo's have _thin_ ties | 17:40 |
| johnx | Jaffa, no, don't do it! | 17:40 |
| patoh | not normal _pimp'n_ ties | 17:40 |
| johnx | at least tell me you don't have bunk beds | 17:40 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: but I feel so unloved what with only a single wife and child, and a good job, and a nice house. I wanna go the black parade that is... the London Underground. | 17:41 |
| aquatix | ``Emos like guitar-based rock with emotional lyrics. '' | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | johnx: we've practically got bunk desks at work, TBH :-( | 17:41 |
| patoh | that is an awesome quote | 17:41 |
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| johnx | Jaffa, is it like a sleepover all the time? Do you talk about girls? | 17:41 |
| aquatix | that kind of describes half the population, music-taste wise | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | johnx: Mostly not, no. | 17:42 |
| johnx | ah, nevermind then. | 17:42 |
| johnx | I was almost jealous for a bit | 17:42 |
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| Jaffa | I wouldn't be. My colleagues are all emos (it'd appear) | 17:42 |
| * johnx just came back from being emo...but hung up his tie *after* he took it off | 17:43 | |
| Jaffa | heh | 17:43 |
| patoh | johnx: that could have been a close one ;) | 17:43 |
| * aquatix is tied to his desk chair, does that count? | 17:43 | |
| johnx | luckily I keep this handy cheat-sheet by my closet | 17:43 |
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| johnx | 1. Take off tie, 2. Hang up tie | 17:44 |
| * Jaffa goes to mow the lawn. I'll feel very upset about all the blades of grass being crushed under the blades. | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | wtf, Blink 182 is popular with emo's? | 17:44 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: have fun crushing | 17:44 |
| aquatix | gotta love the smell of their decaying bodies | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | I'll wipe them out. All of them. | 17:44 |
| aquatix | wish them goodbye from me | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | Watering's later. | 17:46 |
| johnx | with your tears? | 17:46 |
| AStorm | with his blood | 17:46 |
| AStorm | in hospital | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't drown. | 17:46 |
| johnx | O_o vampire grass? | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: you should turn that lawn mower onto yourself pronto! | 17:47 |
| * lardman is having troubles with SELECT() | 17:47 | |
| erstazi | lardman: we all have troubles with SELECT'ing the right one | 17:47 |
| lardman | ~lart semaphores | 17:47 |
| * infobot rm -rf's semaphores | 17:47 | |
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| lardman | hmm, might have solved it :) | 17:52 |
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| Jon | b | 17:56 |
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| hendry | 3/wc | 18:00 |
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| milhouse | hmm... seems to be a problem with the tablets-dev.nokia.com firmware download page :( (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ is down too | 18:03 |
| aquatix | slashdotted? ;) | 18:03 |
| Jon | oooh diablo out now? | 18:03 |
| milhouse | nah, just rubbish infra | 18:04 |
| aquatix | some leak iirc | 18:04 |
| aquatix | milhouse: heh, k | 18:04 |
| Jon | the apt repo one? | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade_, any info? :) | 18:04 |
| milhouse | any long holidays in finland coming up? that could be when diablo is released... hope not! :) | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Drop it and haul ass. | 18:05 |
| milhouse | Pretty much... :) | 18:06 |
| johnx | "By the time they find out, we'll be in Hawaii!" | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | nautillus sucks some massive knob, stupid pos. | 18:07 |
| johnx | is it being crashy? | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | Extremely | 18:07 |
| johnx | Yeah, I went to xfce and I'm really enjoying it | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I should install xubuntu-desktop sometime. | 18:08 |
| summatusmentis | is $380 for an N810 too good of a price to pass? I can get $100 for going to this conference | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'll use konqueror for now. | 18:08 |
| patoh | qwerty12: nautilus works perfect for me :) | 18:12 |
| patoh | I don't think I have ever had it crash | 18:12 |
| patoh | firefox just crashed on me but :( | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | Not for me. keeps crashing on me :/ | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | firefox for me too :/ | 18:12 |
| summatusmentis | firefox crashes? I've overloaded it with tabs, but never had it just quit | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Are you using beta 3? | 18:13 |
| summatusmentis | me? no | 18:13 |
| patoh | its flash player that causes it | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | There's your answer. :/ | 18:13 |
| patoh | its not really firefox's fault, but its still crashing :P | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | I've had it crap out on me without flash player. FF 2.0 worked fine. | 18:13 |
| summatusmentis | mm... well, don't complain about crashes if you're using beta software :-P | 18:13 |
| * aquatix slaps flash player | 18:14 | |
| qwerty12 | It wasn't my choice :p. Stupid ubuntu. | 18:14 |
| * qwerty12 is trying my hybrid of upstart and sysvinit | 18:14 | |
| johnx | RC1 is out now and soon final | 18:14 |
| patoh | I am using rc1 with firefox | 18:14 |
| patoh | didn't crash on the betas for me | 18:14 |
| johnx | 3beta5 is somewhat crashy for me | 18:14 |
| johnx | but not enough to go back to ff2 | 18:14 |
| patoh | firefox-3 is to awesome | 18:15 |
| qwerty12 | Except for the address bar, nothing stands out to me. | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | Bollox, time to reflash. | 18:16 |
| patoh | the speed and memory use | 18:17 |
| summatusmentis | alright, leaving now | 18:18 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, any ideas why my Usbnet SSH connection is refused? :/ | 18:25 |
| johnx | ssh not running? | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | It's running via bootmenu | 18:25 |
| johnx | ssh -vvv and see where it dies | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | I can't, I can't boot in | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | unless you mean on computer? | 18:25 |
| johnx | hmm? | 18:25 |
| johnx | on the client | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, sorry, brb, trying it out. | 18:25 |
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| Navi | Emos | 18:27 |
| patoh | wait, the emos broke his ssh server? | 18:28 |
| patoh | darn that evil cult! | 18:28 |
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| johnx | the "we need a virus scanner" cult is a strange one indeed... | 18:30 |
| johnx | Sometimes the Signal/Noise ratio on ITT really drops... | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Sorry, internet messed up when messing around. Checking log :/ | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | This is long log :p | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: Applying options for * | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: Connecting to 192.168.10.1 [192.168.10.1] port 22. | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: connect to address 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused | 18:32 |
| johnx | pastebin! | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1:23 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config | 18:32 |
| patoh | no | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug1: Applying options for * | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 | 18:32 |
| patoh | pastebin! | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ping 192.168.10.1 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data. | 18:32 |
| patoh | please | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable | 18:32 |
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| patoh | qwerty12: it looks like the ssh server isn't running | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | I'm sure its running as I have same problem in maemo too. And the ping is failing. | 18:33 |
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| johnx | this is dropbear in bootmenu? | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 18:34 |
| patoh | can you ssh to localhost on your device? | 18:34 |
| johnx | and you're ssh'ing from a linux machine? | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 18:35 |
| johnx | have you been messing around with firewalls? | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | patoh, the N800 is dead atm. emergency bootmenu. | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | no afaik | 18:35 |
| johnx | alright, put the result of ifconfig and route -n up on *pastebin* and I'll take a look | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, will do. thanks. | 18:36 |
| johnx | either the ssh server isn't running or you're not sshing to the right address I think | 18:36 |
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| qwerty111 | messing with usb0 messes up wlan0, trying commands now. | 18:37 |
| qwerty111 | brb, I'm gonna have to disconnect wlan0 | 18:38 |
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| toresbe | hrm | 18:38 |
| toresbe | How can one install the SSHD on OS2008? | 18:39 |
| toresbe | I can't find out how. | 18:39 |
| kulve | with application manager | 18:39 |
| kulve | the normal way | 18:39 |
| toresbe | hrm | 18:39 |
| johnx | or click to install openssh on downloadsa.maemo.org | 18:39 |
| toresbe | thank you | 18:39 |
| infobot | toresbe: de rien | 18:39 |
| johnx | s/downloadsa/downloads | 18:39 |
| kulve | s,downloads.maemo.org,maemo.org/downloads, | 18:40 |
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| qwerty12 | http://pastebin.com/d562654a6 | 18:41 |
| johnx | you were trying to ssh into your own desktop | 18:41 |
| johnx | try 192.168.10.2 | 18:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks, will do. I'll need to ifdown wlan0 though. (Btw, N800 reports ip of 192.168.0.1) | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | *192.168.10.1 | 18:42 |
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| johnx | well, that's the IP of your usb0 interface on the desktop as well | 18:43 |
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| johnx | they could be the same, but if that's the case you'll need to fix it | 18:43 |
| johnx | yup | 18:43 |
| toresbe | Hrm. Application Manager is failing to update the list | 18:43 |
| johnx | you need to change your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop prolly | 18:44 |
| toresbe | and I can't do it manually because I can't become root | 18:44 |
| johnx | have you added lots of repositories so far? | 18:44 |
| toresbe | no | 18:44 |
| toresbe | it first shows me "Downloading 1kB" | 18:44 |
| toresbe | and then it freezes at "Downloading 2kB" with the progress bar at 100% | 18:45 |
| johnx | repository.maemo.org is taking a long time to connect right now | 18:45 |
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| johnx | ah and then it gave me an error | 18:45 |
| johnx | just try again later I guess | 18:45 |
| toresbe | d'oh. | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | No luck. USB cable is connected, usb0 is up and modules are inserted - http://pastebin.com/d617dcbcd | 18:46 |
| johnx | ah, qwerty12 I guess you were gone when I said that | 18:46 |
| johnx | you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop | 18:47 |
| johnx | change the IP to something else besides 192.168.10.1 | 18:47 |
| johnx | .2 or .3 or .254 or whatever | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, I'll try that. | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Time to ifdown wlan0 again :( | 18:47 |
| disq | qwerty12: finally flashed, with lots of no space left interruptions. finally i moved all the files in apt archive (downloaded diablo) to mmc and symlinked back | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 18:47 |
| disq | qwerty12: does connectivity applet in controlpanel or connectivity settings work for you? with the initfs? | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | But I'm using diablo initfs | 18:48 |
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| qwerty12 | still don't work. I can't be arsed with this POS, gonna reflash. | 18:51 |
| johnx | your choice | 18:52 |
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| johnx | you'll learn more about networking if you see the problem through though | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | ATM, I want my N800 to work. I'm not so interested in networking. | 18:52 |
| lardman | they youth of today! no patience ;) | 18:54 |
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| lardman | they can probably type better than me though...:D | 18:55 |
| patoh | heh | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, you haven't been noting my typing have you? :P. I type quite bad actually. | 18:55 |
| lardman | no, just my typo just then | 18:55 |
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| RST38h | back | 19:06 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Here? | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, got a new calculator to upload? ^-^ | 19:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Not yet, although I can probably give you the binary | 19:07 |
| RST38h | If you feel like trying it | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | No worries, I can wait yet :) | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Thank you though. | 19:08 |
| infobot | qwerty12: my pleasure | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, piss off | 19:08 |
| * infobot off goes behind Beans & Brews and waters a tree | 19:08 | |
| johnx | ~lart infobot | 19:08 |
| * infobot forces johnx to use Outlook Express | 19:08 | |
| disq | still having problems booting the new kernel, even with the initfs | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | N810 or N800? | 19:08 |
| disq | n810 | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | People with N810 cant use it. | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | 3 people I know with N810 have had problems with that kernel. | 19:09 |
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| disq | i should reflash the randr kernel then | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, it's what I'm using on N800 | 19:09 |
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| qwerty12 | I have a feeling that IPv6 was enabled in diablo kernel. | 19:09 |
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| * qwerty12 copies diablo original repo to mmc2 | 19:11 | |
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| qwerty12 | I'm gonna make myself a rootfs after this is done | 19:12 |
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| * RST38h wonders if screen rotation is enabled in the upcoming Diablo | 19:14 | |
| * johnx takes bets...gives you 10:1 against | 19:15 | |
| qwerty12 | If that was a bet, you would have lost RST38h ;) | 19:18 |
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| timely | anyone here know krisse? | 19:31 |
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| disq | qwerty12: any ideas why the connectivity cp applet won't work? does it work on n800 with new initfs and kernel? | 19:45 |
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| qwerty12 | disq, it works on rotation kernel and diablo initfs | 19:46 |
| disq | qwerty12: on n800, right? | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 19:46 |
| timely | disq / Jaffa? | 19:47 |
| disq | i could upgrade my n800 too but it's comfy in the drawer, not using it anymore | 19:47 |
| johnx | besides IPv6 what's the big advantage of the diablo kernel/initfs? | 19:48 |
| disq | timely: no idea who that is | 19:48 |
| timely | johnx: do you ever want to run old kernels? | 19:48 |
| johnx | only when they work | 19:48 |
| johnx | and the new one doesn't | 19:48 |
| timely | it doesn't? | 19:48 |
| timely | did you file a bug @ bugs.maemo.org w/ details? | 19:49 |
| timely | i'll try to blocker it tomorrow if you provide enough info | 19:49 |
| johnx | well it's apparently not working well for disq is all I mean | 19:49 |
| disq | yeah. | 19:49 |
| * timely has already tried to scuttle the release once | 19:49 | |
| johnx | sorry, didn't mean to scare you | 19:49 |
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| timely | oh, i don't mind | 19:49 |
| timely | it's a fun exercise | 19:49 |
| timely | tomorrow i'll get to see how good i am at it :) | 19:49 |
| johnx | I'm just lazy and I use rotate | 19:49 |
| disq | timely: i don't want to report bugs for unreleased builds :) they probably know about it already | 19:49 |
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| timely | don't assume that | 19:50 |
| timely | please please please don't assume that | 19:51 |
| timely | assume we're just as ignorant as i make us sound :) | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | I'd report diablo bugs if I could figure out bugzilla interface. But I guess I am n00b. | 19:51 |
| timely | qwerty12: i'll walk you through it if no one else does | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :). But before I annoy anyone, I'll check bugzilla tuts on the internet first :) | 19:52 |
| infobot | qwerty12: no worries | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | infobot, fuck off | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | I swear that it is in annoying mode today. | 19:52 |
| disq | timely: ok then, i'll get the kernel version that's not working.. | 19:52 |
| johnx | timely, also, I worry that any bugs I run into are more likely to be caused by the update process that I used than from legitimate problems | 19:53 |
| johnx | I don't want to contribute to the worsening of the signal/noise ratio | 19:53 |
| timely | johnx: as long as you clearly document how you got there | 19:54 |
| johnx | alright, I'll dig through for a bit and see then | 19:55 |
| disq | timely: is diablo 4.1 or "next"? | 19:55 |
| timely | err, do we have both in some product? | 19:55 |
| timely | diablo is 4.1 which in most places should be "next" | 19:55 |
| disq | timely: bugzilla both has "next" and "4.1" | 19:56 |
| timely | which product(s)? | 19:57 |
| disq | timely: in advanced search, but not in new report | 19:57 |
| timely | use next, but hurry | 19:57 |
| timely | if you dally you'll find 4.1 appears :) | 19:57 |
| disq | i could just tag it as 4.1 (that's the target milestone thigy in reporting a new bug) | 19:58 |
| timely | yeah | 19:58 |
| timely | oh | 19:58 |
| johnx | actually, I'll ask here first: Does anyone else have a problem with d-pad center sending a "return" before opening the finger keyboard on the N800 in text fields in microb? | 19:58 |
| timely | yeah, um, if you wait a few secs, i'll give 4.1 as a version | 19:58 |
| disq | ok | 19:59 |
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| timely | ok, try now? | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | timely: I'm aware of krisse, but not spoken to her(?) directly. | 20:03 |
| timely | got a mailto: ? | 20:03 |
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| disq | timely: thanks | 20:04 |
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| disq | timely: #3174. :) | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | timely: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5958 or maybe something on http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/ | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | or http://nokiaduck.blogspot.com/ :/ | 20:14 |
| johnx | so I assume that most diablo bugs are on an internal bug tracker somewhere? | 20:14 |
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| timely | looking for a way to pass a note instead of commenting publicly | 20:15 |
| johnx | I don't care about commenting publicly | 20:15 |
| timely | that was to Jaffa | 20:16 |
| johnx | ah | 20:16 |
| johnx | anyways, at this point is it worth it to report bugs against Diablo's version of microb, given that they're fairly obvious? (the one I mentioned above for example.) | 20:18 |
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| timely | sorry, i'm friend, someone pastebin a summary of the problem and give me a url to that | 20:20 |
| timely | fired | 20:20 |
| timely | fried | 20:20 |
| timely | ^^ | 20:21 |
| johnx | me? | 20:21 |
| timely | please | 20:21 |
| johnx | sure, one sec | 20:21 |
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| johnx | d-pad center in text fileld in microb send enter instead of bringing up finger keyboard: http://pastebin.com/m1eae5370 | 20:25 |
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| johnx | also, there is some issue with the focus of text fields in microb, but writing steps to reproduce that reliably might take me a bit | 20:26 |
| timely | that's first pastebin's filed | 20:27 |
| johnx | ok, good | 20:27 |
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| timely | some future version will reinvent ime handling again | 20:27 |
| timely | someday i hope the problem will shut down | 20:27 |
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| hendry | how do I added a menu item in maemo? can't find a tutorial | 20:29 |
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| johnx | hendry, Have you seen this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html | 20:31 |
| johnx | ? | 20:31 |
| johnx | specifically the "Integration to Menu" section? | 20:31 |
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| hendry | johnx: didn't find that! | 20:33 |
| hendry | johnx: thanks ever so much | 20:33 |
| johnx | sure :) | 20:33 |
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| timely | hendry: out of curiosity, what did you search for (google queries)? | 20:35 |
| * timely believes in trying to fix wikis until things work | 20:35 | |
| dookdook | has anyone seen adn770? | 20:35 |
| hendry | timely: i search in the wiki | 20:35 |
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| timely | ok, wiki query urls then? | 20:36 |
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| hendry | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+menu+item&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a http://search.maemo.org/search?q=menu+items&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd | 20:36 |
| hendry | menu items | 20:36 |
| hendry | and some variation on that | 20:36 |
| hendry | maemo should nuke old docs imo | 20:37 |
| timely | johnx: can you make that query work better? :) | 20:37 |
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| johnx | heh | 20:39 |
| johnx | interestingly giving google "menu item maemo" gets the tutorial higher than "maemo menu item" | 20:39 |
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| ArteK | /WC | 20:46 |
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| Jaffa | timely: join ITT and send a PM? | 21:05 |
| timely | no :) | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | timely: I can pass on a message that route, if you want (even if it's a "email ..." | 21:06 |
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| timely | sounds good. hold on, i'm fighting ssh/ssh-agent/hg | 21:09 |
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| lopz | brb | 21:15 |
| eichi | what are the best free nvigation tools for maemo? maemo mapper and navit? | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | There's a new one, RouteMap just been ported, IIRC | 21:20 |
| eichi | IIRC? | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | If I Remember/Recall Correctly. | 21:21 |
| glass | just short way of saying that one isn't 100% sure | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | In this case, because I've not looked at it in any way, shape or form. | 21:22 |
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| eichi | ah okay ;D i thougt about IRC | 21:22 |
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| kulve | http://www.arm.com/products/esd/openmax_v6libraries.html | 21:48 |
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| kulve | "ARM is developing highly optimized OpenMAX DL libraries which are being hand coded in ARM assembly." | 21:48 |
| kulve | I wonder if there's some hints about optimizing some functions | 21:48 |
| kulve | not sure if there's even sources though.. | 21:48 |
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| kulve | ;// Description: | 21:53 |
| kulve | ;// Compute an inverse FFT for a complex signal | 21:53 |
| kulve | seems to have | 21:54 |
| kulve | ;// (c) Copyright 2007-2008 ARM Limited. All Rights Reserved. | 21:54 |
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| timely | Jaffa: #jaffa | 22:12 |
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| Blastur | is aircrack-ng available for n810? | 22:41 |
| Blastur | or kismet | 22:41 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | both are | 22:42 |
| Blastur | btw, is it possible to reset the n810 into factory default settings? | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | There is option on control panel | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | tap menu | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7403351.stm | 22:46 |
| Blastur | can't seem to find a factory reset in the control panel | 22:50 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Tap the menu icon in top left corner,, tools, reset factory default settings | 22:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It is not the first time I see this in the news | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Not even the second time | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Do they play catch&release with him? | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, see it for 3rd time :p | 22:53 |
| lopz | re | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 22:55 |
| infobot | moin moin, qwerty12_n800 | 22:55 |
| Blastur | anyone know when Diablo will release? | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | which fool gave infobot an upgrade? | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | Blastur: I've reason to believe it will be some day in the not too distant future which contains a 'y' in its name. | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heheh | 22:56 |
| Blastur | really? :) that soon? | 22:56 |
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| Blastur | i read about it on wikipedia, do you know if MSN is included among one of the new "instant messenger" providers? | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope it isn't | 22:57 |
| Jaffa | The rtcomm beta supported MSN, didn't it? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can install rtcomm tho in diablo | 22:57 |
| Blastur | whats rtcomm? | 22:57 |
| Blastur | what additional providers will diablo support? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | none. lt's all in rtcomm. | 22:57 |
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| Blastur | rtcomm is an app bundled with diablo? | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's bundled with chinook too. the beta adds more providers. | 23:00 |
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| practisevoodoo | how do you add a new repository? | 23:42 |
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| timely | from application manager :) | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | or clicking on .install file somewhere on the web | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | morning | 23:52 |
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| x1alpha | is anyone at the moment chatting from his tablet ? | 23:56 |
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