IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-05-18

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JaffaInteresting, a maemo Google Summer of Code project from the VLC guys:
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Cptnodegardbut isnt vlc rather flacky compared to mplayer on maemo?00:26
KotCzarnywouldn't it be nice to have generic video gui instead?00:26
KotCzarnythat could do mplayer, vlc or any other player00:26
JaffaIndeed, I wasn't aware of a well-optimised port. And articles like assume that because it can decode anything on high-CPU x86 boxes, it'll work for anything on a 400MHz, resource-constrained, h/w-limited ARM00:26
RST38hIMHO mplayer is flaky as well00:26
JaffaKotCzarny: both Canola and MediaBox use both gstreamer or mplayer as appropriate for a given video.00:27
KotCzarnyjaffa: but those are quite heavy00:27
KotCzarnyand use medialibrary00:27
JaffaAnd technically the built-in player *is* generic through gstreamer, we've just got one implementation of gstreamer plugins on maemo ATM00:27
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Cptnodegardi really dont see how they can ever compare to mplayer so why bother00:28
RST38hCanola is most likely going to move away from using DBus sooner or later00:28
RST38hThey are having too many sync problems when using DBus00:28
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oDeskhey all, i've installed Flash 9 on os2006 it works but no audio, any idea ?? i read of lib file for sound where i can find it ?00:29
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oDeski'm on n77000:30
zapvlc can stream media, but who cares00:33
zapJaffa: what you mean "we've got one implementation" ? Maemo gstreamer lacks an ffmpeg plugin, which is very bad.00:33
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Jaffazap: we've got one set of gstreamer plugins, but as you say, gstreamer can have an ffmpeg plugin and then you've effectively got both mplayer and VLC.00:35
zapyep, what puzzles me is that nobody did it yet00:35
zapas far as I know, there are many ARM assembler optimizations that were made for mplayer but will work with gstreamer too00:36
zapin ffmpeg I mean00:36
ssvbzap: gstreamer has a very heavy overhead itself00:37
zapindeed, I have measured ogg decoding and it's about 50% overhead (150% vs 100% mplayer)00:37
ssvbzap: you can try benchmarking some video playback with oprofile00:37
zapI just played the ogg to the null device and measured the time00:38
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ssvbzap: wrapping ffmpeg into gstreamer will also result in poor playback00:39
KotCzarnyssvb: would it be possible to have mplayer using dsp decoding asm ?00:39
KotCzarnywithout gst, plain dsp code00:39
KotCzarnywell, not exactly asm, but code in general00:40
zapssvb: I understand, and still, gstreamer is a well-designed multimedia system, while mplayer is full of dirty hacks00:40
ssvbKotCzarny: probably yes, it's better to ask lardman00:40
KotCzarnyzap: but if you are short on cpu you need hacks over beauty of the code00:40
zapsad but true :)00:41
KotCzarnyssvb: what would be needed from mplayer side?00:41
ssvbKotCzarny: most likely nothing special, mplayer has support for many audio and video decoding libraries, it even has a loader for win32 dll's00:42
ssvbKotCzarny: so I guess it's very flexible00:43
EruditeHermitis it possible to run hildon on the desktop?00:43
KotCzarnyssvb, hmm00:43
zaphehe, this fits into a standard 19" server rack:
KotCzarnyssvb, as i understand the only way of using dsp in mplayer is gst00:43
KotCzarnyi think i'm confused00:44
KotCzarny dsptasks are gstreamer, yes/no ?00:44
kulvegstreamer (and others) use dsp tasks00:45
kulvein gstream you need to do a gst plugin that uses the dsp task running in the dsp00:45
kulveanybody can create and use a dsp task00:45
KotCzarnyso it's a matter of writing proper -ao for mplayer that would use dsp task device, right?00:45
kulvebut playing audio directly from dsp is nokia propriatary stuff00:45
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kulveKotCzarny: yes (I think)00:46
ssvbKotCzarny: not quite, there is a difference between decoders and audio output modules00:46
KotCzarnybut /dev/*/mp3dec decodes and plays without returning decoded data00:47
zaphow can DSP play the decoded audio directly? Does it have direct access to ALSA devices?00:47
KotCzarnyam i right?00:47
ssvbKotCzarny: implementing -ao gst as audio output module was a forced solution and dirty hack00:47
kulvezap: there's no proper alsa device in itos200800:47
zapso bad?00:48
kulveKotCzarny: yes, mp3dec plays the audio directly. But I'm not sure if its api is open either..00:48
KotCzarnyit would save some data moving around00:49
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ssvbKotCzarny: exactly, everything would be much easier and more "well-designed" (tm) if mp3 gstreamer element could return decoded data back00:49
kulvethe gst plugins that uses the dsp tasks are open, but they depend on some headers that are closed00:49
ssvbKotCzarny: and even better would be to do this without gstreamer00:49
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ssvbKotCzarny: gstreamer is the only public API for using dsp tasks00:50
KotCzarnylardman uses dsp tasks directly, or not?00:50
kulvepassing the data back from the dsp and then back to dsp for pcm playback introduces some overhead00:50
kulveKotCzarny: the dsp task API is open, the nokia tasks are not00:50
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zaphmm so the only way to output sound is esd?00:51
kulvei.e. you can make your own task and use it but you can't use the nokia's tasks00:51
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kulvezap: esd feeds the data to dsp too. Just like gst00:51
zapbut what device is dsp? I can't see either /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/something except the mixer00:51
kulvezap: there's also an ALSA plugin that does the same00:51
KotCzarnyzap: /dev/dsptasks/00:52
KotCzarnyor something00:52
ssvbkulve: how much is this overhead?00:52
zap/dev/dsptasks/ are the way to output sound???00:52
kulvezap: the OMAP cpu includes ARM core and DSP core00:52
zapah, /dev/dsptask/pcm[0-3]00:52
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kulvessvb: I did some tests and it was <1ms for one data write (1-500 bytes) to one direction. But that's just my test, nothing sure00:53
zappretty exotic way to output sound )00:53
kulvezap: yes, very propriatary00:53
ssvbkulve: and how much is that in ARM core cpu cycles?00:54
ssvbkulve: is ARM core busy during this time, or could do some other data crunching?00:54
kulvessvb: not a clue. What I did was gettimeofday, send data, receive "ok", gettimeofday (so not exactly like I just said)00:55
RST38hwait wait gentlemen00:55
ssvbkulve: latency is actually not so important as it can be compensated00:55
RST38hdo you mean I can use /dev/dsptasks/pcmx the same way I use /dev/dsp on desktop linux?00:55
KotCzarnyrst: not exactly00:55
kulvessvb: yeah, the latency is not an issue, but I think the ARM cpu is busy during than time, so it takes some time..00:56
RST38hsans ioctl()s?00:56
ssvbkulve: and we already have a high latency with current audio output, but nobody has died from it (though seeking is slow)00:56
EruditeHermitjohnx: does the debian port have openoffice?00:56
KotCzarnyrst: i think it needs some initialization00:56
KotCzarnywhen you open it00:56
kulveRST38h: you can read(), write() and ioctl() to the dsp task. But nobody knows what Nokia's tasks want00:56
kulveRST38h: /dev/dsptask/* do not have anything in common with /dev/dsp00:57
RST38hmy guess is these are TI's not Nokia's00:57
kulvejust bad naming00:57
KotCzarnyyeah, signal vs sound :)00:57
kulveRST38h: could be Nokia's too. Who knows.00:57
kulveKotCzarny: basically the initialization is done automatically by the plugin when it gets loaded. They might need some setting up, like telling the channel count, bitrate etc.00:58
KotCzarnykulve: is spying on ioctls possible?00:59
kulveKotCzarny: yeah, it should show up in strace just fine00:59
KotCzarnyie. moving pcmtask device node somewhere and inserting spy device of ours?00:59
zapkulve: but you said the sources for Nokia plugins are available, just not some private headers?00:59
KotCzarnythen just doing dome basing playing00:59
kulvezap: yeah, for the gst plugins. But iirc they didn't contain anything usefull00:59
zapbut can't you sniff the expected data format?01:00
KotCzarnyah, all the hackers are here01:00
lardmanssvb: Did you see that yuv420 output code I was fiddling with - post to maemo-developers01:00
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lardmanSomeone was asking out audio output from the DSP?01:01
infobotmoin moin01:01
KotCzarnyi should subscribe to maemo-developers01:01
kulveKotCzarny: you can also read the archives. But I see the list useful01:02
ssvblardman: green color from your screenshot seems like zero U and V data01:02
lardmanssvb: regarding returning the decoded data, my impression is that this will happen in the end01:02
ssvblardman: maybe something is not initialized01:02
zapor maybe overflow01:03
lardmanssvb: I will probably feed it some fixed value YUV data (different value for Y,U,V etc.) and return the framebuffer data to debug it01:03
KotCzarnylardman: 0 uv == signed vs unsigned?01:03
ssvblardman: that's a good idea01:03
lardmanKotCzarny: should be unsigned, I think01:03
lardmanssvb: just strange that most of the image is good, with those strange glitches01:04
zapperhaps YUV to RGB conversion can give negative values, which should be treated differently01:04
zapI don't remember the formulas though01:04
lardmanzap: that was YUV output converted from YUV input01:05
ssvbzap: there should be no conversion there, just reshuffling of bytes01:05
lardmanzap: just from planar to interleaved form01:05
zapYV12 to YUV420?01:05
ssvblardman: maybe DSP just fails to correctly write to some area01:06
lardmanssvb: perhaps, but the RGB output looks fine01:06
lardmani.e. take the Y plane and output as a single RGB colour01:06
KotCzarnylardman: do the colordcube01:08
kulveabout the gst dsp plugins I mentioned:
lardmanwell I did red, then green then blue, then got bored ;)01:08
kulve(without the s in http)01:08
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kulvefor some reason I can get it downloaded atm, I just get timeout01:09
KotCzarnylardman: how about rgb pixels?01:09
zapSHBUF_LENGTH is 384k, which is 800x480x1 byte per pixel -- isn't this too little?01:09
KotCzarnywell pixel red, pixel green, pixel blue01:09
lardmanzap: DSP code? 16bit char01:09
KotCzarnywith brightness depending on y+x01:09
zapDSP has 16-bit wide char type?01:09
kulvezap: yes :)01:09
zapomg :)01:09
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lardmanKotCzarny: could do, but wasn't too bothered. I know the data are ok as I can display them, the conversion from YV12->YUV420 is the reason to do it01:10
kulvezap: it's nice to communicate between the two when they don't even agree on the length of a byte (in bits)01:10
kulvezap: sizeof(char) is still 1 in both01:10
lardmanzap: That's what makes it so much fun ;)01:10
KotCzarnylardman, encode, then decode that pattern then01:10
KotCzarnyand maybe you spot the error :)01:10
lardmanKotCzarny: what I plan to do is to return the YUV420 framebuffer and take a look at it - that should indicate some sort of problem with my algo01:11
zapokay, but in yv12_convert_mmap_info SHBUF_LENGTH is bytes?01:11
lardmanhang on, just finding the code01:12
lardman16bit bytes, yes01:13
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zapCouldn't it be 8bit bytes? As far as I understand, the memory is mapped by the ARM core01:15
lardmanno, it's in terms of the DSP's byte size when it's running on the DSP01:16
zapin which case you would get just half of the buffer with the right data, and the second half with random garbage (what you are seeing with U & V)01:16
lardmanin any case, the buffer is large enough as I get the data through01:16
KotCzarnybut that uv double sizedness could be caused by some mismatch in data length?01:16
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lardmanotherwise I'd expect to lose the UV planes01:17
toresbeGracana: sorry, battery ran out01:17
kulvezap: it's not about where the memory is but who's using it. When you read the same memory in ARM, the byte is 8bit and in DSP it's 16bit01:17
KotCzarnythen maybe you are feeding wrong part of the 16bit byte ?01:17
lardmanKotCzarny: that's the big question01:17
KotCzarnybecause you only get bright or dark in green01:17
lardmanKotCzarny: but most of the image looks ok, so it's a bit strange that there are only certain regions with glitches01:17
KotCzarnylardman, look at it as 2 images01:18
KotCzarnyy plane and uv plane01:18
zapby the way, what DSP is it? Is it from that TI DSP with VLIW architecture and 256-bit instructions for 4 parallel pipelines?01:18
lardmanWell the actual plane data are fine (in the file); I should probably try to plot the U/V planes on the DSP (though I'd expect to lose the ends if there were some issue)01:18
zapTI C5xxx if I remember correctly01:19
kulvezap: c55xx01:19
lardmanand otherwise I'm turning from planar into interleaved format, so hard to look at individial planes then01:19
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* lardman wasn't blowing kisses01:20
toresbeGracana: thank you! Downloading now.01:20
ssvblardman: one random idea, maybe some right shifts are actually signed in the code01:20
lardmanssvb: ah, that's worth a look01:21
ssvblardman: in this case you will get 0xFF instead of 0x00 in high order byte for shifts of negative word01:21
ssvblardman: that could explain some 'flat' areas, as the data would be set to 0xFF after 'or' operation01:23
lardmanlet me have a quick look and see if I can spot an error01:23
lardmanok, well some of the shifted variables are not of unsigned type, so that may be a good indication01:24
lardmani.e. the counter vars01:24
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zapwhat are Uns and LgUns types?01:25
lardmanUnsigned int (16bit), unsigned long (32bit)01:25
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lardmanjust recompiled, will do a test01:26
ssvblardman: could TI toolchain do something funny like treating ((unsigned short)some_value & 0xFF00) expression as a signed value?01:27
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lardmanssvb: almost certainly :)01:27
lardmanssvb: does some wierd things iirc01:27
ssvblardman: in this case adding some more explicit cast before shift could help01:27
lardmanlet me try with just setting the counter vars to unsigned type - there's one shift of one of those iirc01:28
ssvblardman: I'm worried about expressions like this: ((*(Uns *)((LgUns)U + (LgUns)(buf_y>>1)*width/2 + (buf_x>>1)) & 0xFF00)>>8)01:29
lardmanmy tweak hasn't worked01:30
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ssvblardman: changing them to ((Uns)(*(Uns *)((LgUns)U + (LgUns)(buf_y>>1)*width/2 + (buf_x>>1)) & 0xFF00)>>8) might help01:30
zapcan't get what's the difference between if (~(buf_y & 1)) and else parts01:31
lardmanzap: U or V planes on odd/even lines01:31
lardmanssvb: so add a cast to (Uns) ?01:32
ssvblardman: yes01:32
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lardmanwill try01:32
ssvblardman: and probably add more brackets to be completely sure that the value on the left from '>> 8' is unsigned01:33
* lardman is a muppet, re-compiled the code, but didn't upload it01:33
ssvblardman: one more quick test would be to replace '|' with '+' and check if the distortion pattern changes01:34
lardmanok, tried the cast and no difference01:34
lardmanwill try the | -> +01:34
KotCzarnywrite a simple code that will printf the result?01:34
lardmanlots of data to output though01:35
KotCzarnywrite a loop to check for expected values too?01:35
lardmanssvb: adding I get snow, but the large regions of green are still there01:36
lardmanin the same locations01:36
ssvblardman: one more alternative is to do ((x >> 8) & 0x00FF) instead of ((x & 0xFF00) >> 8)01:36
zapcan you try to write constants instead of U & V then01:37
zapif the green areas are there, the output region seems somehow masked01:37
ssvblardman: does C55x support unsigned right shift? it might be some feature of hardware01:37
lardmannot sure to be honest01:38
lardmantried  ((x >> 8) & 0x00FF) instead of ((x & 0xFF00) >> 8; same output01:39
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lardmanI think it's a case of feeding some known data and looking at the output to compare where it goes wrong01:40
KotCzarnyprint[fk] fun :)01:40
lardmanKotCzarny: not even that nice, dbg() which outputs to dmesg and only takes <=16bit values01:41
lardmanI can just do a copy of the framebuffer before I call the update and send it back as a bulk transfer, write it to file and use a hex editor01:42
ssvblardman: stupid question, have you replaced all the occurences of similar code and not edited commented out block?01:42
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lardmanssvb: what do you mean?01:43
ssvblardman: changing '|' to '+' should have no effect on image if high order byte was ok01:43
ssvblardman: I just asked you to check for typos and if all the needed places were updated properly01:44
lardmanI made 6 changes - on lines 351, 354, 357 & 367, 370, 37301:45
lardmanI think that's all there was to do..?01:45
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Capn_Fishjohnx: You here?01:47
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ssvblardman: sorry, one more funny thing is '|', '+' and '<<' operator precedence01:48
ssvblardman: so actually changing '|' to '+' can have effect on code, but does not explain the original problem01:49
lardmannp, I'm glad of suggestions01:49
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lardmanI'll have to look in the compiler manual to see if it's got some strange thing01:50
lardmanor more brackets01:50
KotCzarnyjust check basic ops01:51
lardmanyow, changing my casts for the calcs for the offsets in the buffers from lgUns to Uns has screwed it up completely01:53
lardmankeeping the actual buffer cast as LgUns that is01:53
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lardmanhmm, now by casing all of the variables inside the *() operators to LgUns, I've ended up with the same image + 2 shadowns, + some noise outside of the video area01:58
lardmancasting that should read01:58
KotCzarnyso that's an improvement01:59
lardmanso perhaps I was just lucky first time thought, the errors cancelled out :)01:59
KotCzarnyand indicates that you have to check all the operations and variables01:59
lardmanhmm, I wonder if something is overflowing here02:01
lardmanthe bottom half of the image is half mirrored up the top - in stripes02:01
KotCzarnymaybe your assumption about display layout is wrong?02:02
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lardmanperhaps, but it's corruption rather than a lack of image02:05
lardman jpgs nos 54 & 56, still uploading02:06
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KotCzarnydefinitely, you should feed it with a test screen02:09
KotCzarnyyou can create mpeg from a single image02:09
KotCzarnyif you want02:09
lardmanI'll create an artificial one with set values for the Y, U & V planes02:10
KotCzarnyYou don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0056.JPG on this server.02:10
lardmanah, usual story, hang on a tick02:10
lardmantry again02:11
lardmanFAT fs gives execute permissions to the photos02:12
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KotCzarnyis it me or the whole picture became smaller than before?02:12
lardmanit's about the same size02:12
KotCzarnythe picture on n80002:13
lardmanyeah, about the same afaict02:13
KotCzarnyright now it's about 1/8 of the screen02:13
KotCzarnybefore it was 1/402:13
lardmanshould be 320/800 of the screen02:13
lardmanand 240/480 tall02:13
KotCzarnyjust compare the pic to 005002:14
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KotCzarnyahm, sorry02:14
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lardmanI think it's the same, though it's not very tall - nor was it before02:15
KotCzarnybut still, it doesn't look as 320x24002:15
KotCzarny240 should take half of the height02:15
lardmanit's probably 320 wide, but is ~120 high02:15
lardmanurgh, far more debugging to be done02:16
KotCzarnytry rewriting the code without optimizations :>02:17
lardmanlol, as if there are any in there :D02:17
KotCzarnyany & and << could be treated as such ;)02:18
lardmanthere's no other way to arrange the data though02:18
lardmanhave to manipulate 8bit chunks of 16bit addressable data types02:18
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KotCzarnydon't use 8bit type then?02:19
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lardmanKotCzarny: have to address 8bit chunks for the fb format02:20
jdiazI've got a problem with the internal 2G flash  (n810)02:20
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KotCzarnyjdiaz: recreated partition table?02:20
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jdiazfsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p102:21
jdiazmalloc:Input/output error02:21
KotCzarnylardman: you need simpler algo02:21
lardmanwell rgb works, that's simple02:21
KotCzarnyjdiaz: corrupted partition table, maybe?02:21
jdiazrelated to the known bug?02:21
lardmanbut the point of yuv420 is to maximise bandwidth02:22
KotCzarnylardman: maybe it's a weird yuv42002:22
jdiazI have several files on it. all ok except the last two, wich are unreadable02:23
lardmanKotCzarny: it is :)02:24
Gracanayw toresbe. does it work?02:24
KotCzarnyjdiaz: can you paste /sbin/sfdisk -l to ?02:24
lardmanbed time, thanks for the ideas chaps02:24
lardmanI'll try feeding the known data tomorrow and see what we get out :)02:25
lardmanregarding sbc, it seems to receive and process data (not sure how much yet, need to count the messages output), but it dies with a bus error02:25
lardmanthis kills the arm-side code too, and consequently the output file doesn't get written02:25
lardmanis it possible to flush?02:26
KotCzarnyopen it as unbuffered?02:28
lardmancan that be done with fopen()?02:29
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KotCzarnylardman: with open there are some flags02:30
lardmanKotCzarny: I'll take a look tomorrow, thanks02:30
lardmannight chaps02:30
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jdiaznow I'm remembering other strange behaviours my n810 had today: an alert box (never seen before) told me that in order to open an application, another should be closed (I only had two xterm and a vnc, as habitual)02:31
GeneralAntillesOut of memory?02:31
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming you had virtual memory off?02:31
KotCzarnyjdiaz: your partition table is factory broken02:31
KotCzarnyi think02:31
KotCzarnyDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 61440 cylinders02:31
jdiazthe Image Viewer reported me an error about being unable to show the photo due to inssuficient memory02:32
KotCzarnyDisk /dev/mmcblk1: 62304 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track02:32
KotCzarnyWarning: The partition table looks like it was made02:32
KotCzarny  for C/H/S=*/61/60 (instead of 62304/4/16).02:32
KotCzarnyah, sorry wrong line02:32
KotCzarny /dev/mmcblk0p1          0+  62719   62720-   2007032    b  W95 FAT3202:32
KotCzarnythis one02:32
KotCzarnyphysical size is 6144002:32
KotCzarnybut partition is 6271902:32
KotCzarnyso corruption is inevitable02:32
jdiazyes, GA, no virtual memory, but not a problem like these until today02:32
GeneralAntillesSomething ate your RAM.02:32
KotCzarnyjdiaz: back up the files then delete partition and create again02:33
jdiazKotCzarny, I have read about that02:33
KotCzarnyotherwise you run into corruption again later02:33
jdiazbut I thought the corruption will not occur until the partition is full enough02:33
jdiazmine is at 40%02:34
GeneralAntillesIt's not a hard drive, jdiaz.02:34
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't load evenly.02:34
KotCzarnyapparently it did02:34
GeneralAntillesYou could run into the out-of-range sectors at 1% or 99%02:34
jdiazGA, could this problem be related to the out-of-memry problems?02:35
AStormactually, that depends on the FS02:35
AStormmore than the device wear-levelling02:35
KotCzarnycreating partition bigger than device isn't a wise idea02:35
jdiazAStorm, vfat02:35
AStormjdiaz: then you were unlucky02:35
GeneralAntillesThe card load-levels itself.02:35
AStormanyway, that has to be fixed02:35
KotCzarnyalso your sd card can be error prone too02:36
KotCzarnyas it has some warning02:36
AStormif it is a card ;-)02:36
GeneralAntillesIt's close enough.02:37
KotCzarnyastorm: /dev/mmcblk1p1 is a card02:37
jdiazcould the flash corruption problem be related to the out-of-memory problems?02:38
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AStormunclean restarts or just wear02:38
jdiazbut both occured the same day...02:38
AStormis it a cheap OEM imitation? ;)02:38
KotCzarnyjdiaz: fix your partitions02:39
jdiazafter two months of running without any out-of-mem problem...02:39
GeneralAntillesOut of memory isn't the end of the world, jdiaz. :P02:39
GeneralAntillesJust format the internal card, enable swap and move on.02:39
KotCzarnyoom could happen if fs was corrupted and your swap went read only02:39
KotCzarnyor inaccessible02:39
jdiazI have no swap enabled02:40
KotCzarnydo you have virtual mem enabled?02:40
jdiazbut I was able ofn running several simultaneous apps before02:41
KotCzarnyjdiaz: still, fix partitions, come back if it happens again02:41
jdiazmuch more indeed02:41
jdiazok, I'll do that. Just curious02:41
jdiazhow can I detect wether I have an ill-behaved app who eats my mem?02:42
AStormwell, I found some huge memory problem with maemopad02:42
AStormit loads all the notes into ram02:42
GeneralAntillesInstall osso-statusbar-cpu02:42
AStormguess how large my notebook is ;P02:42
KotCzarnycould work too02:43
KotCzarnythough look at rss02:43
jdiazbrowser using 77%02:43
jdiazgnome-vfs-daemon using 41%02:43
jdiazwhow, only these two make more than 100%02:44
KotCzarnyas i said, look at the rss02:44
KotCzarnycould be named 'res'02:44
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AStormbrowser is huge, yes02:44
jdiazrss not running02:45
KotCzarnyother numbers could include shared mem and libs02:45
KotCzarnyrss is not a program02:45
KotCzarnybyt acronym02:45
KotCzarnyreal something size02:45
jdiazI though you refered to the rss reader02:45
AStormResident Set Size02:46
AStormaka "what's in memory"02:46
KotCzarnythanks for explanation :)02:46
infobotKotCzarny: my pleasure02:46
KotCzarnysomeone please shut up the infobot02:47
jdiazmmm... if the filesystem is corrupt, couldnt that cause gnome-vfs to consume inusual amounts of memory?02:47
KotCzarnyif your system is corrupted anything can happen :)02:47
AStorminfobot: you suck!02:47
GeneralAntillesCorrupt filesystems cause all sorts of trouble.02:47
GeneralAntillesFormat the internal card and THEN try and troubleshoot. ;)02:47
KotCzarnyremove partition, and create it again02:48
KotCzarnyTHEN format02:48
AStormyes, format isn't enough02:48
AStormneed to repartition it02:48
jdiazthanks, I'll do that02:49
GeneralAntillesFile manager fixes it just fine.02:49
Gracana Nokia 770!02:49
KotCzarnyga: sure, for a time02:50
NaviGracana, looks expensive02:51
KotCzarnykb would suck02:52
AStormoleds are heavier02:52
AStormalthough much brighter02:52
GracanaYeah, definitely. I don't think I would like it. But the fact that the person on the screen is holding another company's product is amusing.02:53
AStormah, and they may use more power too02:53
AStormI wonder how oleds look in direct sunlight02:53
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NaviGracana, indeed02:54
NaviGracana, it might be a taunt of some sort02:54
KotCzarnyin direct sunlight color e-ink would rule02:54
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NaviGracana, wait, that doesn't look like a 770 :P02:54
AStormKotCzarny: too low contrast, naah02:54
KotCzarnyastorm: future e-ink02:54
AStormfuture, well, yeah02:54
KotCzarnywith a 225 dpi etc02:55
AStormgimme a holographic display02:55
Gracanaoh yeah Navi, it's backwards and has no buttons02:55
AStormN810 with a holographic display... ;P02:55
AStormclose to that future Nokia product02:55
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* Navi takes his delorean to the future and brings back some holographic displays for everyone03:09
NaviOf course, I forgot to bring the DVI to SUED converters, so none of you can use it03:10
NaviI'm sorry03:13
GeneralAntillesNo you're not.03:14
Naviam too03:14
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jdiazflash repartitioned03:27
jdiazrestoring contents ...03:27
jdiazgood opportunity to delete all those .ogg files from ./map03:30
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zakmhi . . i have a nokia 770 .. WSOD .. i tried reflashing and taking out battery and nothing helped ( bought off ebay .. WSOD after like two weeks. no warranty )05:51
zakmanyone have any ideas of what i could try.. willing to try anything05:51
GeneralAntillesController needs to be replaced/reset.05:51
zakmdescribe reset?05:51
GeneralAntillesreseated, rather.05:51
zakmis it solder'd?05:52
zakmor just pushed in?05:52
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zakmso i open it up.. "take out" controller.. put it back in? thats it?05:52
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johnxI don't have a 770, but this thread may have some of the info you want:
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zakmive looked at the wsod thread if thats the one you've linked?05:54
johnxthere are many05:54
johnxthis one talks about what the controller chip is and where it is05:55
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johnxguess that's not really conclusive...06:01
johnxanyways, off to work06:01
infobotno worries, zakm06:01
zakmill look06:01
zakmsorry my nephew is here so im currently distracted06:01
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zakminfobot: no worries ?06:04
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KotCzarnyzakm, talking to bot?06:04
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zakmohh it was triggered06:09
zakmim tired :(06:09
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zakmis my nokia WSOD a lost cause?06:23
zakmtrying to fix06:23
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pupnikzakm my 770 recovered from wosd  .. removed battery and waited06:34
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zakmi tried that06:35
zakmi waited like 4 hours06:35
zakmpupnik: i tried it like 12 hours ago06:35
zakmpupnik: how long did you wait?06:35
pupnik5 minutes06:36
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zakmyeah see06:36
zakmi waited like 4 hours06:36
zakmi took out battery.. waited 4 hours. put back in06:36
zakmits not all white? like theres some small lines06:36
zakmvertical lines06:36
pupnika really weird 'color'06:36
zakmanything else i could try you think?06:37
zakmi removed battery.. 4 hours later i put back in.. turn on.. nothing06:37
zakmwell wsod06:37
pupnikdon't know.  check itt forums.  is it under warranty?06:37
zakmi tried reflashing in the past06:37
zakmno warranty06:37
zakmi bought on ebay. and they bought it in like '05 -.-06:37
zakmi have06:37
zakmno help -.-06:37
GeneralAntilles2005 and it's just WSODing now?06:38
GeneralAntillesThey must never have used it.06:38
zakmi dont know what to do .. i only had it for like two weeks. i dont want to throw it in the garbage?06:38
pupniksorry bout that06:38
zakmGeneralAntilles: i dont know.. one of the files on it was from '05 and it was a nokia made file06:38
zakmunless they used a wrong date?06:38
KotCzarnygarbage is a bad option, sell for parts06:39
zakmhow would i check for warranty?06:39
zakmi paid $85 for the 770 :(06:39
pupniki must have had good karma for paying $500 for my 77006:39
KotCzarnyif you are delicate you can try reseating the connector06:39
zakmi got nothing to lose ? :P06:39
zakmpupnik: what the ? $500?06:39
KotCzarnyzakm: you can break it06:39
zakmpupnik: when did you buy06:39
zakmKotCzarny: its already technically broken.. and i have no warranty?06:40
pupniknov 200606:40
zakm$85 for two weeks of use? -.-06:40
GeneralAntillesYou were that late getting in, pupnik?06:40
KotCzarnyzakm: i don't know06:40
zakmim 17 years old. jobless06:40
KotCzarny80$ is ~1day of work06:41
zakmyeah for you maybe06:41
zakmi dont have a job in the first place06:41
zakmi wouldnt be so omg WSOD if i had a job ;p06:41
GeneralAntillesGet one06:41
KotCzarnyi bet you can do many works06:41
zakmits $85 i shouldn't of spent06:41
GeneralAntillesThey're easy to come by in high school. :P06:41
zakmive been applying.. but no luck06:41
KotCzarnyyou simply have to find someone who would pay for your skills06:41
zakmi can do computers on a software-level ?06:42
KotCzarnyzakm: data entry then06:42
zakmyeah yeah find me a job06:42
GeneralAntillesGotta go pound the pavement.06:42
zakmToronto, ON .. might help you in finding me ;p06:42
KotCzarnyzakm: you have internet06:42
KotCzarnyi remember doing a gig for some kid for a 200$06:43
KotCzarnyit was ~3-5h of writing in php06:43
KotCzarnyand he was from another state06:43
KotCzarnyyeah, exams06:43
zakmwhat kid has $200 for some php script06:43
zakmlol i cant code .. well not very well06:44
KotCzarnythen learn?06:44
KotCzarnycoding is fun06:44
zakmi made an oath to stop my crazy pc learning06:45
KotCzarnyso what do you plan to do in life?06:45
GeneralAntillesAn oath to stop learning? <_<06:46
zakmi used to sit and read those big books06:46
KotCzarnyreading is good06:46
zakmi have a bad memory so i dont remember much06:47
zakmbut i mean like i dont wanna go and learn all the languages and all06:47
KotCzarnywell, you have to only learn one06:47
KotCzarnythe rest are similiar06:47
zakmi took something called Turing in last year in school06:47
zakmdidnt take grade 11 .. grade 11 is java06:48
zakmso i pull that out. .and back in?06:48
KotCzarny770 for parts06:48
KotCzarnyzakm: worth a try06:49
KotCzarnyisn't it?06:49
zakmi guess06:49
zakmbut i mean is that what you were talking about06:49
zakmwith controller?06:49
zakmwould new battery help? or totally unrelated?06:50
zakmtomorrow.. i open it up :D06:51
KotCzarnyjust be delicate06:51
KotCzarnythose little parts are fragile06:51
KotCzarnyvery fragile06:51
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GeneralAntillesTypo! :P08:56
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qwerty12Does anyone know a way to batch extract deb files?09:20
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czrqwerty12, you mean like for a in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -x $a; done?09:56
qwerty12Thanks, I'll try it out.09:57
czr(not tested mind you)09:57
qwerty12Hehe, didn't work, thanks though :)09:58
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qwerty12w00t, fixed it up, thanks :)09:59
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czrnp :-)10:03
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summatusmentiscops apparently don't like it when you're goin 55 in a 4010:06
GeneralAntillesNo really?10:06
summatusmentisI just got a warning, but still10:06
summatusmentisI didn't realize I was going that fast10:06
qwerty12""Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo' ""10:06
KotCzarnybe happy it's a warning not a accident10:06
summatusmentisKotCzarny: no, I agree10:06
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summatusmentisnow you all hate me because I'm a reckless college student, and you won't ever help me w/ maemo(if/when I get a device) :(10:07
GeneralAntillesNah, we've already got our reckless driver pariah.10:08
summatusmentisgood, I hope I don't replace them10:08
GeneralAntillesand who said that we aren't all hypocrites, anyway? :P10:08
* KotCzarny isn't10:08
qwerty12Me is. I'm gonna follow summatusmentis's example when I grow up :p10:09
summatusmentislol, noone said that. I assume most OSS people aren't hypocrites though10:09
summatusmentisqwerty12: bad idea. The cop was nice tonight10:09
GeneralAntillesThat's because your unit system is ridiculous, qwerty12. :P10:09
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, you'd be assuming wrong.10:09
qwerty12Hehe, I was joking :)10:09
summatusmentisit's apparently DWI awareness night10:10
qwerty12You know London got da heat when there are more stabbings then most other places10:10
summatusmentisso they were pulling everyone over10:10
GeneralAntillesYeah, the whole firearm ban worked out really well for you guys. . . .10:10
qwerty12Nah, most killings are done with knives10:11
summatusmentisI was just gonna ask, how many of them are fatal?10:11
qwerty12Most of them are. I've only heard of few people surviving after being knived. what upsets me is that most of the time, it's mistaken identity or for some "fun"10:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, firearms are generally less deadly than knives.10:12
summatusmentisI find that hard to swallow10:12
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summatusmentisconsidering the entire purpose behind a firearm is to kill something10:13
GeneralAntillesThe reality of the situation is that a 9mm doesn't do nearly the damage that a 4" blade will.10:13
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GeneralAntillesPerceptions frequently don't have a lot to do with reality. ;)10:13
GeneralAntillesPlus there's the problem of actually hitting something.10:14
GeneralAntillesMost criminals are pretty terrible shots.10:14
GeneralAntillesThis shit:
GeneralAntillesDoesn't work.10:14
GeneralAntillesYeah, you don't hit anything shooting like this:
summatusmentisI'll admit I'm just a stupid reckless college student, and don't really know what I'm talking about.10:16
summatusmentisApple has a defense contract now? :-/10:16
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GeneralAntillesTactical iPhone!10:19
qwerty12Meh, throw the iBrick on someones head.10:19
qwerty12Should do the trick10:19
GeneralAntillesReminds me of a cellphone commercial. . . .10:19
summatusmentisapparently apple bought a semi-conductor company that had a huge DoD contract10:20
summatusmentisand Apple is honoring it(i guess that makes sense...)10:20
czrhey GA & KotCzarny10:21
GeneralAntillesHi, czr. :) What's new in the world?10:21
czrGeneralAntilles, I wouldn't know! I seldom wonder out in it.10:21
czryou? :-)10:21
KotCzarnyhi czr10:21
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: I saw that one, like... actually on tv :)10:21
GeneralAntillesJust started pluggin' away at the summer semester.10:21
czrGA, busy busy. working. which reminds me to get some milk. my coffee package depends on the milk virtual package :-(10:22
summatusmentissummer semester? :-/10:22
GeneralAntillesYou gotta take at least one down here10:22
KotCzarnyczr: subscribe?10:22
summatusmentiswhere is 'down here' ?10:22
GeneralAntillesand it puts me in a better position credit-wise.10:22
GeneralAntillesFlorida State10:22
summatusmentisoh really? they require a summer semester? that's annoying10:23
czrKotCzarny, I'm afraid they don't have that service here. or the mailman would misunderstand and just pour the coffee in through the door -> not nice..10:23
* qwerty12 likes Flo-Rida and T-Pain10:23
KotCzarnyczr: hrm, oursource then?10:23
czrbut, there is respite after all. next thu me be a-flyin to .jp10:23
czrKotCzarny, you mean like a gf? contracts are PITA :-)10:23
summatusmentisqwerty12: I'm sorry :(10:23
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czrand you never know about the quality of outsourcing that you'll get in the end..10:23
KotCzarnyczr: everything has it's dark side :)10:23
qwerty12summatusmentis, lol, why?10:24
czrKotCzarny, indeed.10:24
czrbut I'm quite happy. my parser doesn't trip over 10TiB random binary data.10:24
GeneralAntillessummatusmentis, yeah, something about having to run the AC all summer to keep the buildings from rotting away and wanting students there. :P10:24
czrwhich just means that I haven't really found the right combination yet. but at least it's not trivial :-)10:24
summatusmentisqwerty12: I'm sorry you've been kept disconnected from good music, so as to be trained to enjoy that crap10:24
GeneralAntillesYou can get out of it fairly easily if you want, though.10:24
KotCzarnyczr: random data is limited to 256 possible states :)10:24
GeneralAntillesJust works out nicely for me.10:24
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: lol, oh, I guess that makes sense :)10:24
czrKotCzarny, yeah, but I'm not using the Debian PRNG ;-)10:25
czrwas using urandom at first, but it's dog slow.10:25
qwerty12summatusmentis, >.<;. This music is just too good not like that other crap10:25
czrnow I'm using a 607 exp mersenne twister.10:25
summatusmentisqwerty12: I really, desperately, hope you're kidding :-/10:25
KotCzarnythere was a nice visualization of misc oses rngs :)10:26
qwerty12I'm a 100% serious10:26
KotCzarnymade by lcamtuf :)10:26
czrKotCzarny, you mean the TCP/ISN-one?10:26
czrit was nice indeed.10:26
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summatusmentisqwerty12: :-/10:26
KotCzarnylinux was bubbles ;)10:26
czrbut I'm not after real randomness. just seedable repeatable randomness that is useful in monte carlo. if carlo likes it, IT MUST BE TRUE.10:27
summatusmentisqwerty12: live and let live, I guess... try listening to some Bob Marley...10:27
KotCzarnywow, there is an update10:27
czrKotCzarny, what is the probability of encountering a certain 32-bit pattern (byte-granular) in random input?10:27
czrit's not 1/2^32 mind you.10:28
qwerty12summatusmentis, >.< >.> <.<10:28
KotCzarnyi guess that depends on randomnes of bytes10:28
czrassume they're perfectly random10:28
KotCzarnyb1*b2*b3*b4 ?10:28
GeneralAntillesBob Marley is the shit10:28
summatusmentisqwerty12: no, but seriously. I didn't mean to offend. I just really can't stand most mainstream music, let alone rap10:28
GeneralAntillesas is Bob Dylan10:28
GeneralAntillesThere are a number of good Bobs. :P10:28
czrKotCzarny, but that's 1/(2^32)10:28
czrKotCzarny, I'm seeing it more often than that10:29
qwerty12summatusmentis, Not offended :)10:29
summatusmentisGeneralAntilles: for real10:29
qwerty12Just not to my taste10:29
KotCzarnyczr: in a perfect algo it's just that, i guess10:29
summatusmentiswell, change your taste then!10:29
GeneralAntillesYOU DON'T LIKE BOB MARLEY?!?!10:29
KotCzarnyi don't like regge10:29
qwerty12YEP I DONT LIKE IT10:29
KotCzarnyat least not very often10:29
czrKotCzarny, neh, I'm thinking that it's less. since the surrounding byte might "pre-match" stuff as well. or maybe something in my code is broken :-)10:30
czrI like BOB. I have his corpse right next to me here. we caress in the night.10:30
czrhe sings and I .. well.. just enjoy myself.10:30
summatusmentisczr: you've sullied Bob Marley?10:30
KotCzarnyczr: ah, so you're asking about probability of a subsstring in a 4byte random string?10:30
czr(seriously though haven't got a single track from B. Marley)10:30
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, something is seriously wrong with you. <_<10:30
czrKotCzarny, smt like that10:30
czrKotCzarny, but probably not that :-)10:31
qwerty12B.O.B is good10:31
czrKotCzarny, assume that you have 1 GiB of random sequential bytes10:31
KotCzarnyczr: defining the problem accurately is most often the answer :)10:31
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Thank you :)10:31
GeneralAntillesNot in a good way either. :P10:31
summatusmentisqwerty12: Boys On B<explitive>z? or some other bad rap group?10:31
czrKotCzarny, how many times will a certain 32-bit sequence be present in the data.10:31
summatusmentis(I made that name up, I have no idea)10:32
czrN'Sync 4ever!10:32
* czr hides & runs10:32
qwerty12lol, one person10:32
qwerty12N'SYNC? :O10:32
KotCzarnyfrom 1 to 1gig/2 (with 0101010..) ?10:32
czrhey, telecom..10:32
czrsync is important.10:32
summatusmentisqwerty12: you and czr are on about the same level in music taste, fwiw10:32
czrsummatusmentis, at least we have some..10:33
summatusmentis(assuming he was serious about N'Sync, which I doubt)10:33
summatusmentisczr: :D10:33
czrI don't do boybands.10:33
qwerty12eew, boybands. They should pull the trigger on themselves10:33
qwerty12czr, double meaning?10:33
summatusmentisI would say something crude, but I don't know what the rules are here10:33
KotCzarny*bands are for teens10:33
KotCzarnyand pre teens10:33
czrqwerty12, well, I don't listen to them nor do them :-)10:33
summatusmentiswell, nvm, qwerty12 went there anyway10:33
summatusmentisKotCzarny: any band? or just bands that fall under a *band category?10:34
KotCzarnyok .+band10:35
czruh oh. hit a recognized PDU in the random stream..10:36
* czr curses10:36
Gracklewrist bands10:36
czrweird. I'm getting bytes that should be dropped..10:37
* czr curses some more10:37
* qwerty12 tries building truecrypt 5.1a...10:39
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czrah, found the snag.10:39
* GeneralAntilles throws a monkey wrench in qwerty12's make.10:39
czrhmm. now I have to restart the 10TiB payload testing.. argh.10:39
qwerty12Damn, it must have hit :p10:39
GeneralAntillesThat's for having bad taste in music! :P10:40
qwerty12I hate having to apply patches by hand...10:40
czryou mean like coding?10:40
qwerty12I mean opening up the patch and copying and pasting the patch into the right file because it wont apply with patch -p110:40
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czrI know what you mean :-)10:41
GeneralAntillesIt's a spy!10:41
qwerty12It's all GeneralAntilles's fault!10:41
czrI'm just too lazy to fix my code at the moment so I'm pulling your leg (or arm, can't tell which)10:42
GeneralAntillesI plead the 5th!10:42
summatusmentisI'm going to bed. Night all10:42
czrnight? tis morning here..10:42
qwerty12Wait until I find this monkey wrench and send it to florida with a popup thing....10:42
czrwell, not even morning anymore10:42
qwerty12czr, same here hehe10:42
qwerty12I count 8:42AM morning :p10:42
czr1043 here.10:43
czrIn the happy country of the Borg.10:43
qwerty12Ah, I see. /me checks czr's country10:43
* GeneralAntilles has permanent monkey-wrench protection.10:45
qwerty12It expired a while ago, renew your subscription.10:48
czrexplains the number of monkeys on GA's yard10:48
GeneralAntillesI have no yard!10:48
GeneralAntillesJoke's on you.10:48
* GeneralAntilles runs in circles.10:48
* RST38h switched to this window and read "I expired a while ago"10:48
* qwerty12 REALLY hates it when my fan in my computer whirs up when compiling10:48
* czr runs in triangles10:48
* qwerty12 runs in squars10:49
* KotCzarny yawns10:49
czrqwerty12, pull it out!10:49
czrdamn I need some coffee.10:49
qwerty12czr, We actually did that to a school computer once...10:49
czrqwerty12, how did it end?10:49
qwerty12Lots of parts were taken and it was running all night. I felt sorry for the technician who took it....10:50
czrI rarely meet people who do that on purpose ;-)10:50
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qwerty12Come to London10:50
czrmaybe someday. never visited london properly.10:51
czrI'll take some cpu fans with me10:52
RST38hethanol is known to have pretty low evaporation point10:52
qwerty12lol. I'd like to get out of London for a while, never been anywhere else except W.Yorkshire, North of UK.10:52
czrI'm going to .jp next thu. la-la-la-la.10:53
czrI wonder how many schoolgirls I can take back with me as hand-luggage10:53
qwerty12My cousin is in Japan :D. I hear they have some super advanced weed10:53
qwerty12This cracks me up about Japan's tech:
qwerty12What says more than that.10:54
tank-manare those breasts or balls?10:54
qwerty12Forget a lever, these guys are pimpin up their toilets too10:54
czringenious even10:55
czrbleh. I  don't do english.10:56
GeneralAntillesEvidently not. :P10:56
qwerty12Nah den10:56
RST38hso maybe you better take THAT...for liquid cooli10:58
RST38h[shit, computer crashed between those two lines =)]10:58
* KotCzarny didn't have computer crash in a long time10:59
RST38hqwerty12: when you have got paper walls and a customary 5cm hole under each of your doors, and no heating except for a kerosene heater in one room, advancing toilets is all you have left to do11:00
qwerty12KotCzarny, the lies!11:00
RST38hKot: It is a hardware problem. Apparently, either HD cable is flaky or there is some dust shorting things out11:01
AStormI had an N810 crash... does that count?11:01
czrheh RST38h11:01
patohAStorm: what did you do to it?11:01
qwerty12My N800 is always crashing11:01
AStormlaunched camera proggy11:01
AStormit has 50% chance of crashing N81011:01
RST38hnever crashed my N810, but then I keep it in relatively virgin state11:01
AStormhere, the WM tended to crash when I had powerwhatever installed11:02
AStormnow it doesn't anymore11:02
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I think we can lay the blame for that squarely on you. :P ;)11:02
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Hehe. ATM, my N800 has no hacks but application manager sends N800 into full cpu and mem.11:03
RST38hAll right this thing better not crash until iNES-Symbian distribution script finishes11:03
qwerty12iNES-Symbian? BOO11:03
qwerty12Actually, I have 2 symbian phones :/11:04
RST38hSee? =)11:04
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acehighnessanyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?11:11
* qwerty12 finally has Truecrypt 5.1 binary :). ARM emulation really sucks though : "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'TrueCrypt::TestFailed'11:11
qwerty12  what():  TrueCrypt::PlatformTest::TestAll:20211:11
qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 26811:11
qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 23811:11
qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 26811:11
qwerty12qemu: Unsupported syscall: 23811:11
qwerty12make[1]: *** [truecrypt] Error 12711:12
qwerty12make: *** [all] Error 211:12
KotCzarnyupgrade your quemu11:12
KotCzarnyto cvs version11:12
KotCzarnyyou can select it when configuring target11:12
qwerty12Ah, ok , thanks11:12
KotCzarnyor you can reconfigure target withour reinstalling everything11:12
KotCzarnyit's already installed, you have simply to select it11:13
Stskeepsqwerty12: or use rsbh or something - make it run on the n8x0, that solves most emulation problems for me11:13
KotCzarnyyeah, that's another option11:13
Stskeepseven if it increases compilation time ;)11:13
KotCzarnyinstalling dev toolchain on device :)11:13
Stskeepsdidn't even do that, it just NFS mounted my scratchbox binaries11:14
KotCzarnyi use sshfs11:14
qwerty12I'll look into upgrading qemu :)11:14
KotCzarnybut idea remains the same11:14
acehighnessanyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?.. i dont understand where i must find dosbox.conf on the filesystem11:15
qwerty12Will the qemu-arm-eabi version be alright?11:16
solmumahaacehighness: using pupnik's dosbox?11:16
KotCzarnyqwerty, do you install something or it's already installed?11:16
qwerty12KotCzarny, Don't understand question :/11:17
KotCzarnysb-conf st -t qemu-arm-cvs11:22
KotCzarnyor something11:22
KotCzarnyyou can list them with: sb-conf ls -t *11:22
qwerty12Ahh, I see. qemu-arm-cvs doesn't exist, I'll compile that.11:23
infobotqwerty12: my pleasure11:24
KotCzarnydon't compile..11:24
KotCzarnyit should be available11:24
qwerty12infobot, not you, tosser11:24
KotCzarnyor you can get one from:
qwerty12Muahahaha, thanks11:24
KotCzarnythough i don't see qemu in that dir anymore11:25
KotCzarnymaybe this one11:25
KotCzarnyi should be sleeping already11:25
patohdoes the N810 come with a chat client11:26
GeneralAntillesJabber/Google Talk as bundled11:27
GeneralAntillesMore with 3rd party stuff and the beta release.11:28
* qwerty12 finds it a shame rtcomm beta was never bundled with diablo11:28
RST38hSurgical Robot Removes Calgary Woman's Brain11:28
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, we're not there yet. :P11:28
KotCzarnyrst: is it good or bad?11:28
RST38hKot: heheh11:28
KotCzarnyany idea what causes 'LOC:      82430   Local timer interrupts' ?11:29
* RST38h is using Pidgin anyway. RTComm just didn't feel right11:29
GeneralAntillesPidgin is so bad on the tablets.11:30
RST38hWorks fine for me11:30
GeneralAntillesIt's just not set up for that environment.11:30
AStormisn't bad11:30
RST38hHas got a few problems11:30
GeneralAntillesrtcomm works great for me.11:30
AStormminor problems, yes11:30
GeneralAntillesand I don't have to think about it.11:30
AStormrtcomm has crummy ui11:30
qwerty12Although I do like guifications11:30
RST38hMostly connection stuff11:30
GeneralAntillesPidgin just takes up space.11:30
AStormno real contacts list11:30
GeneralAntillesI wish they'd fix Speed Contacts already.11:31
GeneralAntillesI can't believe they fucked it up so bad in the first place.11:31
RST38hRTComm not configurable enough, has non-functional contact list11:31
qwerty12I can't believe the source is closed to such a shit applet anyway :/11:31
RST38hGA: It can't be fucked up this much by negligence11:31
GeneralAntillesContacts list is fine.11:32
GeneralAntillesIt's called "Contacts" :P11:32
RST38hThis level of fucking-up requires extensive thought work11:32
qwerty12Although I don't really use Pidgin much, here's why I like it: :p11:32
RST38hSo, my guess is, unless the change the person responsible for it, it will only become worse11:32
RST38hYou mean the little black things? I don't have them installed, alas11:33
qwerty12Yeah :)11:33
qwerty12It's good for keeping track without switching to pidgin11:33
AStormGeneralAntilles: no, it's too hard to get to (the contact list)11:35
AStormand is a separate proggie which starts in 5s11:35
GeneralAntillesLeave it open, then. :P11:35
GeneralAntillesLike you leave Pidgin open. . . .11:35
GeneralAntillesIf they'd just fix Speed Contacts the issue would be moot, anyway.11:36
GeneralAntillesVote for my bug!
RST38hGA: + make it possible to select font size11:36
RST38h+ do the same for @#^%$ rss applet11:37
acehighnesssolmumaha: i was checking to see which one i have installed, i'm actually not sure anymore. are there different versions available ?11:37
GeneralAntilles1 request per bug. :P11:37
RST38h+ make rss applet show news without starting up web browser11:37
acehighnessi can find the executable in usr/bin11:37
acehighnessbut no config file11:37
solmumahaacehighness: don't think so :)11:37
solmumaha /usr/share/dosbox/dosbox.conf11:38
acehighnessi want to put drive mapping to my mmc card in the config file, as I cant seem to type the / character using the n810 keyboard in dosbox11:38
acehighnessahh... thanks !11:38
qwerty12RST38h, If you don't mind me asking, why will load-applet boost speed?11:38
solmumahaacehighness: tried rubybox?11:39
acehighnessno i havent ... is the ruby platform big to install ?11:39
acehighnessi remember installing it on my n800 and it was huge11:40
acehighnessmaybe im spacing11:40
acehighnessi guess it would save me a lot of hassle if it has a gui yeah11:40
solmumahaacehighness: under 10 mb i guess11:41
acehighnesshmm no /dosbox under /usr/share11:41
solmumahabut it makes using dosbox way easier11:42
AStormsolmumaha: config command, use it11:42
AStorminside the dosbox11:42
acehighnessjust 'config' ?11:42
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acehighnessah yes11:43
RST38hqwerty: My speculation is, once emulator loads the cpu to 100% and makes applet update, its update mechanism somehow keeps the system from lowering cpu frequency11:43
acehighnesscool thanks AStorm11:43
solmumahaacehighness: use the version from for os200811:43
RST38hqwerty: it may sound improbable but I have run out of other explanations11:43
qwerty12RST38h, ahh :). Could be right, I dunno anything :)11:44
acehighnessok im gonna remove and reinstall from there11:44
AStormI think dosbox will be too slow...11:44
AStormno dynamic CPU emulation yet11:44
AStormwrite one for ARM11:44
acehighnessits ok i wanna run slow stuff hehe11:44
qwerty12can I use arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 instead of cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm for CHINOOK_ARMEL target fine?11:44
solmumaharubybox comes with a game downloader and online settings database11:44
acehighnessa game downloader ? wow11:45
KotCzarnyqwerty: create a new target for experiments11:45
AStormqwerty12: sure, you could11:45
KotCzarnythat way you can simply remove it later and use your old one11:45
qwerty12Will do both :). I'll try it out on a new target 1st.11:45
acehighnessmy application manager is messed up ... i cant read the names of the applications because the first column is only 3 chars wide11:45
acehighnessi guess it was the lcars theme crap i tried11:46
AStormacehighness: normal, it;s not messed up11:46
AStormit's that some version number is too long11:46
acehighnessanyway to change the way it displays ?11:46
AStormimpossible with the release version11:47
AStormSVN version has it fixed11:47
acehighnesshmm ok11:47
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GeneralAntillesIt's fixed in Diablo, acehighness.11:50
rm_youGeneralAntilles: should I install Diablo? >_>11:50
qwerty12I like Diablo except for MicroB11:51
qwerty12 MicroB has gone down in Diablo11:51
acehighnessinstalled version from now11:51
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acehighnessand i'll install rubybox while im at it11:52
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, we haven't hit release yet.11:53
GeneralAntillesWe're probably still at least a month away. :P11:54
GeneralAntillesrm_you, meh.11:54
GeneralAntillesI really, REALLY like the finger keyboard improvements.11:54
GeneralAntillesBut MicroB is in a weak state in the current release11:54
Veggenqwerty: ugh. And I hate microB for being a memory pig already before Diablo...11:54
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I can't stop myself from installing stuff like this. ;)11:54
GeneralAntillesVeggen, it can only get better.11:54
VeggenGA: I hope so :)11:55
GeneralAntillesThey didn't have time to merge trunk for Diablo11:55
solmumahaacehighness: remember to register to get the most out of it11:55
GeneralAntillesIt's on track for Diablo+111:55
GeneralAntillesand looking at the improvements from Firefox 3 alpha 1 to now it's going to be a doozie.11:55
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acehighnessi obviously had the wrong dosbox installed12:01
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gourdinhi there12:02
acehighnessthis one indeed automounts 'dos' folders on the mmc card12:02
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acehighnessok this roxx12:03
gourdincan we enlarge fonts only in the browser ?12:03
gourdinzooming the images is toobslow12:03
VeggenGA: Ah, but of course someone could compile trunk themselves?12:03
GeneralAntillesNavi compiled the svn from a few weeks ago.12:04
GeneralAntillesWhich is already looking quite a bit better than Chinook MicroB (scrolling is at better-than-Opera levels)12:04
gourdinis this a place to ask maemo browser questions ? :)12:07
GeneralAntillesThis is anything and everything maemo.12:08
GeneralAntillesand a lot of things that aren't, too. ;)12:08
gourdinwhen can we hope a ff3 version of microb ?12:09
GeneralAntillesWe have one now.12:09
KotCzarnygourdin: ever checked ua string?12:09
gourdinfennec ?12:10
AStormit's old FF312:10
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AStormbuggy one12:10
GeneralAntillesAlpha 112:10
GeneralAntillesBut FF3 all the same.12:10
GeneralAntillesIt'll be merged with trunk by Diablo+112:10
AStormwe need one based on recent RC12:10
gourdinKotCzarny: ua strings ?12:10
AStormwhich means after Fx3 release?12:10
KotCzarnyuser agent12:10
gourdinKotCzarny: yup12:11
patohhow mature is Diablo?12:11
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patohsorry, stable :P12:11
gourdinGeneralAntilles: diablo ?12:11
GeneralAntillesIt's still a month or two from releaes.12:11
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: It's still a month or two from release.12:11
KotCzarnywasn't it meant for Q2 2008 ?12:12
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forgeI would imagine them releasing it along with the wimax edition of hw12:12
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GeneralAntillesJuly 9th is the supposed date for N810W12:12
GeneralAntillesSo it'll be around then or sooner.12:12
GeneralAntillesFor small values of two months. ;)12:13
KotCzarnywii controller fun..12:14
gourdindiablo is the next os name ?12:14
KotCzarnylooks shopped though12:14
GeneralAntillesNext OS2008 version, name.12:14
forgeNo kidding it's shopped ?12:14
GeneralAntillesmaemo 4.112:14
KotCzarnybut idea is nice ;)12:14
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gourdinwhy can t we just enlarge fonts in tghe browser, it should be less cpu consuming, some sites are unwatchable because lots of jpegs12:19
GeneralAntillesDo so12:19
AStormgourdin: there is an option for that, probably12:19
GeneralAntillesThere are plenty of tutorials covering it.12:19
AStormand you can use your own style sheet12:19
BlafaselHmm.. I like the idea of using WiMax more and more, to be honest.12:20
KotCzarnyand you can use regular about:config tricks12:20
AStormI like it too, but there will be none here for a long time12:20
qwerty123G phone works for me12:20
KotCzarnydsl works for me12:21
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patohthere there a maemo themes website?12:21
BlafaselAStorm: Yeah, not sure about this location. I know that there are some providers here12:21
BlafaselAnd regarding the UMTS phone: Thanks a lot to the guy in here that brought the E51 to my attention ;) I love it so far.12:22
AStormE51 is too large for me12:22
qwerty12I'm waiting for N96. I'll be able to replace my P1 and N80. And probably W810 :/12:23
AStormany other nice small HSDPA phone?12:23
qwerty12But I love the Bass on my W81012:23
gourdinKotCzarny: i m just saying adding an option in the menu woudnt hurt annyone :)12:23
AStormN96 is too large too12:23
qwerty12I carry N800 & N80. Size is no problem for me.12:23
BlafaselAStorm: I went for it because it doesn't have a camera and is quite/very thin12:23
AStormcarry where?12:23
AStormnot that thin12:23
AStormand camera may be useful12:24
qwerty12to school :/12:24
AStormbut where? in a pocket?12:24
gourdinAStorm: i don t find the option ;)12:24
AStormI hope not in the pants?12:24
BlafaselHmm.. Everything's relative, I guess. I didn't want a camera for sure and never had a slimmer phone. Motorola's series might be slimmer, but I don't know good 3g phones there.12:24
qwerty12Moto's suck12:24
glassn95 fits my pants pockets nicely, 770 not so nicely12:24
AStormwell, yep, they do12:25
AStormN810 is a bit large already12:25
AStormmy ID cards take too much space already12:25
acehighnessn810 is ok in my pocket12:25
AStormit is ok12:25
acehighnessbetter then the n800 was12:26
AStormbut it takes a whole pocket12:26
KotCzarnyastorm: carry a backpack?12:26
acehighnessyeah you need a dedicated pocket hehe12:26
AStormit could've been slimmer, looking at the design12:26
BlafaselHmm.. Wearing baggy style trousers I have no problems with space ;)12:26
AStormKotCzarny: yeah, sure, as if I want to12:26
gourdinGeneralAntilles: you say there are plenty of tuts ? can you point me on one of it ? i m googling and am out of luck...12:26
* KotCzarny carries a backpack all the time12:26
AStormKotCzarny: thus, you fail the hip test? ;P12:27
KotCzarnyi'm me12:27
KotCzarnyi don't need no stinkin' tests :P12:27
AStormyou don't need them, but other people test you all the time12:27
AStormthus, you fail ;D12:27
AStormoh, sure12:28
KotCzarnysidestepping is better word12:28
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KotCzarnyhah, hpet=force12:29
gourdinGeneralAntilles: thx !12:30
AStormuhm, N810 doesn't have a HPET?12:30
KotCzarnydon't know12:30
AStormit doesn't12:31
KotCzarnybut my laptop does12:31
AStormyes, laptop should have one12:31
KotCzarnynot necessarily12:31
AStormsome have these uninited12:31
AStormbecause BIOS is written by Chinese contractors12:31
KotCzarnyyes, ich[34] needs force enabling12:31
qwerty12I'm surprised the BIOS hasn't been cloned yet.12:32
AStormqwerty12: LinuxBIOS?12:32
AStormyou know, it's hard work12:32
qwerty12Nah, a Chinese clone12:32
AStormthey're bound by NDA12:33
AStormand each mainboard is slightly different12:33
AStormblah blalh12:36
AStormok, I'll have to hack maemopad+ to not gobble RAM12:37
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AStormand to allow resizing of the drawing pad12:37
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qwerty12Yum. RAM.12:37
LoCusFanyone remember the free upload site url where one could upload IT stuff?12:37
LoCusFafaik it was is ITT somewhere12:38
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acehighnesswhat is the name of the actual browser in maemo ?12:40
qwerty12oh, command line12:41
acehighnessnah i just meant what browser is it12:41
AStormKotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools for me?12:41
LoCusFoh ok12:41
AStorms/tools /tools package/12:41
infobotAStorm meant: KotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools packagefor me?12:41
KotCzarnyastorm: i thought someone else compiled it for you12:41
AStorminfobot: you suck12:41
infobotand very well I might add12:41
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qwerty12infobot, you suck ****12:42
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qwerty12"and very well I might add"12:42
AStormKotCzarny: which hanged12:42
qwerty12hehehe, quick cheap laugh12:42
KotCzarnydidn't traced further conversation then12:43
gourdini can t empty microb cache12:43
AStormgourdin: it's memory cache12:43
gourdinwhere are the files so i can12:43
AStormjust restart it12:43
AStormthere's no disk cache12:43
gourdinabout:config takes forever, it ok ?12:43
BlafaselOr don't watch porn on it in the first place12:43
gourdinBlafasel: i m trying i m trying :)12:44
KotCzarnyenabling swap could help too12:44
qwerty12To stop watching porn?12:44
KotCzarnyqwerty: i think the only sure way is castration12:45
AStormKotCzarny: so build me one12:45
AStormmight be a tar.gz12:45
KotCzarnyqwerty: there are painless methods, you know12:45
KotCzarnybricks are so XIX century12:46
qwerty12I wouldn't ;)12:46
gourdinabout:config freeze microb !12:46
GeneralAntillesSomething's wrong, then, gourdin.12:47
gourdinall of this only to enlarge penHHHfonts...12:48
gourdinGeneralAntilles: i agree :)12:48
KotCzarnywell, magnifying glass could do that in realtime12:48
KotCzarnyhigh fps, low cpu usage12:48
gourdinhey, wtf, i blanked the start page, microb starts on home.html12:50
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LoCusFI disabled the scrollbar via gconf in osso-xterm, how can I get it back again :) ?12:52
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qwerty12If you use osso-xterm svn, it has option. or you can set option again.12:52
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LoCusFdon't have that12:53
qwerty12While you are there, mind dumping me /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys ? :D12:53
qwerty12I'll take a look for scrollbar option12:53
LoCusFumm wait a moment12:53
LoCusFI can't dump the entire thing since I don't have the scrollbar :)12:54
qwerty12setting /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar should do it12:54
gourdintyping browser about:blank in term lauch microb on home;hmlt (startpage is blaanked in config) why ?12:55
LoCusFqwerty12: thanks, got it12:55
qwerty12Cool :)12:56
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gourdindoes nokia really sell this to me ? ;)12:56
GeneralAntillesIt's irritating and stupid12:57
GeneralAntillesMore UI spec nonsense, gourdin.12:57
LoCusFqwerty12: my key_labels and keys are nondefault?12:57
JaffaReally fscking irritating and stupid.12:57
qwerty12LoCusF, No problems, I just need at least the defaults :). I messed mine up installing .13 in diablo.12:57
LoCusFqwerty12: oh ok12:58
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gourdinok, i cant goto about:config12:58
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LoCusFqwerty12: [<alt>a,<alt>2,Tab,Page_Up,Page_Down,Home,End] = keys12:58
gourdinis there another way to edit microb confib ?12:58
acehighnessbut i think it says the same thing12:59
qwerty12LoCusF, Many thanks12:59
LoCusFnp :)12:59
gourdinwhats irritating ?12:59
rm_youthe current lack of johnx is depressing13:00
GeneralAntillesUI spec, gourdin.13:00
rm_youalso, that my server/buildbox is in a fedex truck currently13:00
GeneralAntillesPoor rm_you.13:01
GeneralAntillesAlways suffering.13:01
rm_youi am13:01
rm_youALWAYS >_<13:01
* rm_you suffers loudly in a corner13:01
KotCzarnyIf not time-travel, other exciting thing produced by LHC may be:13:01
KotCzarnyThe end of the world as we know it13:01
KotCzarnydon't worry13:01
KotCzarnytake your time13:01
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* GeneralAntilles idly throws pieces of garbage at rm_you.13:02
rm_youi actually dont WANT to go home for summer break really <_<13:03
rm_youit's such a hassle13:03
KotCzarnyrm_you: then go on a vacations in .fi13:03
rm_youi wanted to try to hit up linuxtag13:03
rm_youbut i couldnt quite get the money together13:03
rm_youplus i realized i would then not have anything left for the rest of summer :P13:03
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rm_youso, anyone used for hosting?13:04
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rm_youi'm trying it out... so far it seems ridiculous13:04
* KotCzarny uses his laptop for hosting13:04
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* qwerty12 can tell13:05
qwerty12Sounds fun13:05
rm_you$9.95 a month for 600GB of space and 6000GB of bandwidth13:06
rm_youdoes that seem entirely ridiculous to anyone else?13:06
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rm_youlike... it's not even in the same order of magnitude as any other hosting i've seen for that price13:06
KotCzarnyit doesn't say anything about server speed13:06
rm_youit seems fast13:07
KotCzarnythen try looking for small print13:07
rm_youwas hoping someone else would have experience/thoughts about it13:07
rm_youdidn't see any >_>13:07
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rm_youwell whatev13:08
KotCzarnybed time, night people13:08
acehighnessall cheap hosting are ripoiffs13:08
rm_youi got my first month free with some promotion code, so if i dont like it, nothing lost13:08
acehighnessripoffs even13:08
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lardmanoooo, exciting, output data :)13:14
qwerty12So, has anyone tried upstart on N800? I've built a binary, lets see if it works...13:16
rm_youlardman: ??13:16
rm_youon what?13:16
rm_youI hope DSP-SBC :P13:16
* rm_you dances13:17
lardmanneed to compile the encoder on x86 and compare the output13:17
rm_youi wish i could buy you dinner :P13:17
lardmanstill producing a bus error at the end, so not quite ready13:17
qwerty12WOAH. This will be great :)13:17
lardmanjust because it's output something, doesn't mean to say it#s the right something of course!13:18
rm_yousee, i greatly overestimated the difficulty rating of this project...13:18
* lardman attempts to control expectations13:18
rm_youit never occurred to me to just convert the x86 SBC encoder :P13:18
rm_youi was always thinking about writing it from scratch, lol13:19
rm_youwhich would require a LOT of research :P13:19
lardmanyeah, definitely go from existing code13:19
qwerty12Ok, wish me luck. I'm gonna install upstart :/13:21
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qwerty12Just saw, nice job :)13:24
LoCusFthanks :)13:25
infobotpas de quoi, LoCusF13:25
qwerty12For me : & :D13:25
qwerty12My N800 boots a shit load faster with upstart#13:27
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Stskeepson debian or maemo?13:28
qwerty12Doesn't like being shut down though.13:28
qwerty12I need to set up fb_update_mode again and see the problem13:29
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lardmanhmm, sbcenc segfaults when compiled on x8613:33
qwerty12I'll try initng now.13:33
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lardmanah, much better, I'd #defined VERSION as an fp number (to get around my lack of a Makefile)13:34
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* lardman reports that the outputs don't match13:35
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, remember that locking bug where after a while you couldn't unlock the device because it didn't see the center dpad click?13:36
qwerty12Yes :)13:36
GeneralAntillesHave you noticed it in Diablo yet?13:36
qwerty12No, all my unlocks have been successful.13:36
GeneralAntillesI just did 30 of them in a row13:36
GeneralAntillesNo troubles.13:36
GeneralAntillesOh, good, the bugs have already been resolved.13:37
* GeneralAntilles is trudging through the UNCONFIRMED bugs . . .13:39
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* lardman spots a small hinderance, 73byte chunks are written in sbc format every time13:41
lardmanNeed to make sure odd numbers of bytes can be written correctly13:41
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user__wow hi13:46
user__anyone here13:47
GeneralAntillesOnly the zombies.13:47
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woodong50yesterday i knew how to watch no incoding13:49
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, did you happen to restore a Chinook backup into Diablo?13:49
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, No. Clean start13:50
GeneralAntillesI'm wondering if a backup will un-disable Extras now.13:50
GeneralAntilles*restoring a13:50
woodong50diablo game?13:50
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GeneralAntillesNo, Diablo being Chinook+113:51
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woodong50does n8x0 support mms://?13:52
woodong50streaming address mms://13:53
lardmanmplayer does iirc13:53
lardmanthis is for video/audio streaming?13:54
infobotrumour has it, iirc is "if I recall correctly"13:54
woodong50iirc appl?13:55
lardmanactually, is mms for windows media player?13:56
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lardmanI'll just go back to sleep13:57
lardmananyone else want to answer who knows?13:58
woodong50what is your time13:58
lardmanit was a figure of speech, it's 12 noon here13:59
* qwerty12 loves beryl with java 8-)14:01
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GeneralAntillesAlright, there's 12 bugs actioned.14:15
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disqgah. by the time i notice the diablo thread the diablo updates dir is restricted again15:39
qwerty12_N800There are ways 2 get password15:40
qwerty12_N800I was 1st one to do it :p15:40
GAN800qwerty the braggart.. . . . ;p15:42
disqi better start reading the irclogs for clues then15:42
qwerty12_N800GAN800, Naturally :p15:42
qwerty12_N800disq, read the thread ;)15:42
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disqoh ok15:44
RST38hDoes OS2008 save coredumps somewhere?15:45
GAN800On the card15:45
RST38h(and if it does, is it possible to do a postmortem on one?15:45
qwerty12_N800RST38h, Make folder on card15:45
GAN800disq, apt source.15:45
qwerty12_N800mkdir  /media/mmc1/core-dumps15:45
qwerty12_N800Or install NITRO. Coredumps are enabled at initfs time.15:46
Jaffadisq: ditto, I've decided not to bother with the hackery15:47
GAN800Jaffa iz boring15:47
* Jaffa slaps GAN800 15:48
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qwerty12_N800El Diablo blows Jaffa away15:48
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* Jaffa doesn't want to lose his navicore changes before he goes on holiday15:50
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GeneralAntillesThis bug catches me off guard and cracks me up everytime I see it:
practisevoodoo  does anything in the internet calls prog support video calls?15:58
qwerty12_N800I'm voting :p15:58
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GeneralAntillesMy favorite bug ever.15:58
GeneralAntillespractisevoodoo, tablet-to-tablet with Google Talk15:59
RST38hHoho, SlideRule runs! Almost fully!15:59
RST38hControls work, graphics draw, derivatives get computed!15:59
practisevoodooonly tablet to tablet?15:59
GeneralAntillesUse Gizmo or aMSN for tablet-pc15:59
practisevoodoothats just stupid16:00
disqqwerty12_N800: ooh. found the diff16:01
qwerty12_N800Nice :)16:01
felipecwhy not telepathy-haze?16:01
felipecfor msn16:01
qwerty12_N800Nice! :)16:02
GeneralAntillesfelipec, do it do video?16:02
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: felipec, does it do video?16:02
felipecGeneralAntilles: not yet16:03
GeneralAntillesThen there's your answer. :P16:03
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felipecGeneralAntilles: so you prefer something ugly, slow and destined to die (aMSN)?16:06
GeneralAntillesIt supports video16:06
disqpfft. first i have to revert the xserver and stuff16:06
GeneralAntillesHe wanted something to do tablet-pc video.16:06
GeneralAntillesSo I gave him his options.16:06
GeneralAntillesIf telepathy-haze support MSN video I would of answered with that.16:07
felipecGeneralAntilles: ahh, does it really works? amsn on tablet-pc?16:07
GeneralAntillesSo far as I've been informed.16:07
GeneralAntillesI haven't tested it myself.16:07
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x1alphaHello is it possible to have a "normal" gnome desktop on maemo ?16:10
JaffaPossible? Yes. Done? NAFAIK. KDE3's been done, though.16:11
x1alphaThanks jaffa :) yep i managed to find howto's for kde on google but not gnome.16:12
infobotx1alpha: pas de quoi16:12
GeneralAntillesXFCE, IceWM and others, too.16:12
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* qwerty12_N800 wants black theme for os2008 that isn't fugly as lcars :/16:19
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patohqwerty12_N800: tried writing one?16:21
patohbasing it off a fugly black theme16:21
LoCusFhmm I found something out, if you are in a shell in /media/mmc1, ie. one's cwd is that directory, then the unmounting of mmc1 isn't correctly done and when you re-insert the card it complains about corruptidness. So just cd out of the directory in shell and re-insert the card to get it working again16:21
patohand improving it16:21
qwerty12_N800Have no art skills16:21
patohqwerty12_N800: its only colours ;)16:22
patohmost image parts can be borrowed from other themes16:22
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patohas long as they are GPL and you thank the author :)16:22
GeneralAntillesFind a stick and start prodding konttori with it. :P16:22
patohthat also works ;)16:23
* qwerty12_N800 steals GeneralAntilles's stick and prods konttori with it16:23
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RST38hqwerty: A Dr. Who theme! The official British answer to LCARS theme!16:44
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GAN800google it16:45
GAN800lcars maemo16:45
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pupnikthat's fitting, as the tablets are 'bigger inside than out'16:47
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RST38hpupnik: weird, but I am also getting this feeling every now and then16:50
RST38hit does not occur with PC-based UMPS though.16:50
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RST38h  <--- hehehehehe16:52
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johnxyeah, saw that just now16:52
crashanddiehehe, a Dr. Who theme...16:52
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johnxRST38h, stuff like that happens all the time, but it's hilarious when 2 companies copy the same pic16:53
RST38hto market identical products too16:54
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qwerty12_N800Got a quick q, is it alright  if I delete ~/.mozilla folder?17:00
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, you'll lose all your settings17:01
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, but yeah, shouldn't be too bad17:01
johnxIf I were you I would just mv .mozilla .mozilla.bak17:01
qwerty12_N800I know :), thanks17:01
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RST38hit will get recreated17:02
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_freelikegnuRST38h: Dr Who theme? hmm I do think I want to fasten a toiled plunger to my NIT ;-)17:11
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JaffaThe Daily Mail is hilarious:
qwerty12_N800Emo's are stupid anyway17:36
johnxthis is why I'm against ties17:36
Jaffaqwerty12_N800: most ppl are stupid, Daily Mail readers doubly so.17:36
RST38hEvil Emo Cult!17:37
johnxPeople are ignoring the root cause here: ties!17:37
qwerty12_N800Jaffa, hehe. I just read the bbc news.17:37
johnxI call for an immediate ban17:37
* RST38h remembers a quote from "Me and my brother went mugging emos last night -- So, how did it go? -- Well, I lost a tooth and he got a rib broken"17:37
patohRST38h: well they all want to die, so they love a good fight ;)17:38
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RST38hWhy hasn't anybody noticed a link between emos and bin Laden/17:38
patohbecause his not a folder...17:39
johnxnah, that emus17:39
johnxcan't trust those things...17:39
RST38hBoth emos and muslim terorrists want to die!17:39
JaffaQuick, send anyone who wears black to Gitmo.17:39
patohI can't think of an non racist comparson17:39
* Jaffa checks: phew, mostly blue today17:39
johnxJaffa, yeah that would be a lot of people wearing suits17:40
JaffaOh no! Tomorrow I turn emo17:40
Jaffa...and there is a tie involved. Suspicious.17:40
patohemo's have _thin_ ties17:40
johnxJaffa, no, don't do it!17:40
patohnot normal _pimp'n_ ties17:40
johnxat least tell me you don't have bunk beds17:40
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Jaffajohnx: but I feel so unloved what with only a single wife and child, and a good job, and a nice house. I wanna go the black parade that is... the London Underground.17:41
aquatix``Emos like guitar-based rock with emotional lyrics. ''17:41
Jaffajohnx: we've practically got bunk desks at work, TBH :-(17:41
patohthat is an awesome quote17:41
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johnxJaffa, is it like a sleepover all the time? Do you talk about girls?17:41
aquatixthat kind of describes half the population, music-taste wise17:42
Jaffajohnx: Mostly not, no.17:42
johnxah, nevermind then.17:42
johnxI was almost jealous for a bit17:42
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JaffaI wouldn't be. My colleagues are all emos (it'd appear)17:42
* johnx just came back from being emo...but hung up his tie *after* he took it off17:43
patohjohnx: that could have been a close one ;)17:43
* aquatix is tied to his desk chair, does that count?17:43
johnxluckily I keep this handy cheat-sheet by my closet17:43
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johnx1. Take off tie, 2. Hang up tie17:44
* Jaffa goes to mow the lawn. I'll feel very upset about all the blades of grass being crushed under the blades.17:44
aquatixwtf, Blink 182 is popular with emo's?17:44
aquatixJaffa: have fun crushing17:44
aquatixgotta love the smell of their decaying bodies17:44
JaffaI'll wipe them out. All of them.17:44
aquatixwish them goodbye from me17:46
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JaffaWatering's later.17:46
johnxwith your tears?17:46
AStormwith his blood17:46
AStormin hospital17:46
qwerty12_N800Don't drown.17:46
johnxO_o vampire grass?17:46
RST38hJaffa: you should turn that lawn mower onto yourself pronto!17:47
* lardman is having troubles with SELECT()17:47
erstazilardman: we all have troubles with SELECT'ing the right one17:47
lardman~lart semaphores17:47
* infobot rm -rf's semaphores17:47
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lardmanhmm, might have solved it :)17:52
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milhousehmm... seems to be a problem with the firmware download page :( (
qwerty12 is down too18:03
aquatixslashdotted? ;)18:03
Jonoooh diablo out now?18:03
milhousenah, just rubbish infra18:04
aquatixsome leak iirc18:04
aquatixmilhouse: heh, k18:04
Jonthe apt repo one?18:04
qwerty12X-Fade_, any info? :)18:04
milhouseany long holidays in finland coming up? that could be when diablo is released... hope not! :)18:05
GeneralAntillesDrop it and haul ass.18:05
milhousePretty much... :)18:06
johnx"By the time they find out, we'll be in Hawaii!"18:07
qwerty12nautillus sucks some massive knob, stupid pos.18:07
johnxis it being crashy?18:07
johnxYeah, I went to xfce and I'm really enjoying it18:08
qwerty12Thanks, I should install xubuntu-desktop sometime.18:08
summatusmentisis $380 for an N810 too good of a price to pass? I can get $100 for going to this conference18:08
qwerty12I'll use konqueror for now.18:08
patohqwerty12: nautilus works perfect for me :)18:12
patohI don't think I have ever had it crash18:12
patohfirefox just crashed on me but :(18:12
qwerty12Not for me. keeps crashing on me :/18:12
qwerty12firefox for me too :/18:12
summatusmentisfirefox crashes? I've overloaded it with tabs, but never had it just quit18:13
qwerty12Are you using beta 3?18:13
summatusmentisme? no18:13
patohits flash player that causes it18:13
qwerty12There's your answer. :/18:13
patohits not really firefox's fault, but its still crashing :P18:13
qwerty12I've had it crap out on me without flash player. FF 2.0 worked fine.18:13
summatusmentismm... well, don't complain about crashes if you're using beta software :-P18:13
* aquatix slaps flash player18:14
qwerty12It wasn't my choice :p. Stupid ubuntu.18:14
* qwerty12 is trying my hybrid of upstart and sysvinit18:14
johnxRC1 is out now and soon final18:14
patohI am using rc1 with firefox18:14
patohdidn't crash on the betas for me18:14
johnx3beta5 is somewhat crashy for me18:14
johnxbut not enough to go back to ff218:14
patohfirefox-3 is to awesome18:15
qwerty12Except for the address bar, nothing stands out to me.18:16
qwerty12Bollox, time to reflash.18:16
patohthe speed and memory use18:17
summatusmentisalright, leaving now18:18
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qwerty12Hmm, any ideas why my Usbnet SSH connection is refused? :/18:25
johnxssh not running?18:25
qwerty12It's running via bootmenu18:25
johnxssh -vvv and see where it dies18:25
qwerty12I can't, I can't boot in18:25
qwerty12unless you mean on computer?18:25
johnxon the client18:25
qwerty12Ah, sorry, brb, trying it out.18:25
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patohwait, the emos broke his ssh server?18:28
patohdarn that evil cult!18:28
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johnxthe "we need a virus scanner" cult is a strange one indeed...18:30
johnxSometimes the Signal/Noise ratio on ITT really drops...18:30
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qwerty12Sorry, internet messed up when messing around. Checking log :/18:31
qwerty12This is long log :p18:32
qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv
qwerty12OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 200718:32
qwerty12debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config18:32
qwerty12debug1: Applying options for *18:32
qwerty12debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 018:32
qwerty12debug1: Connecting to [] port 22.18:32
qwerty12debug1: connect to address port 22: Connection refused18:32
qwerty12ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused18:32
qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv
qwerty12OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 200718:32
qwerty12debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config18:32
qwerty12debug1: Applying options for *18:32
qwerty12debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 018:32
qwerty12faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ping
qwerty12PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.18:32
qwerty12From icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable18:32
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patohqwerty12: it looks like the ssh server isn't running18:33
qwerty12I'm sure its running as I have same problem in maemo too. And the ping is failing.18:33
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johnxthis is dropbear in bootmenu?18:34
patohcan you ssh to localhost on your device?18:34
johnxand you're ssh'ing from a linux machine?18:35
johnxhave you been messing around with firewalls?18:35
qwerty12patoh, the N800 is dead atm. emergency bootmenu.18:35
qwerty12no afaik18:35
johnxalright, put the result of ifconfig and route -n up on *pastebin* and I'll take a look18:36
qwerty12hehe, will do. thanks.18:36
johnxeither the ssh server isn't running or you're not sshing to the right address I think18:36
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qwerty111messing with usb0 messes up wlan0, trying commands now.18:37
qwerty111brb, I'm gonna have to disconnect wlan018:38
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toresbeHow can one install the SSHD on OS2008?18:39
toresbeI can't find out how.18:39
kulvewith application manager18:39
kulvethe normal way18:39
johnxor click to install openssh on downloadsa.maemo.org18:39
toresbethank you18:39
infobottoresbe: de rien18:39
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johnxyou were trying to ssh into your own desktop18:41
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qwerty12Thanks, will do. I'll need to ifdown wlan0 though. (Btw, N800 reports ip of
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johnxwell, that's the IP of your usb0 interface on the desktop as well18:43
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johnxthey could be the same, but if that's the case you'll need to fix it18:43
toresbeHrm. Application Manager is failing to update the list18:43
johnxyou need to change your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop prolly18:44
toresbeand I can't do it manually because I can't become root18:44
johnxhave you added lots of repositories so far?18:44
toresbeit first shows me "Downloading 1kB"18:44
toresbeand then it freezes at "Downloading 2kB" with the progress bar at 100%18:45 is taking a long time to connect right now18:45
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johnxah and then it gave me an error18:45
johnxjust try again later I guess18:45
qwerty12No luck. USB cable is connected, usb0 is up and modules are inserted -
johnxah, qwerty12 I guess you were gone when I said that18:46
johnxyou need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop18:47
johnxchange the IP to something else besides
johnx.2 or .3 or .254 or whatever18:47
qwerty12Ok, thanks, I'll try that.18:47
qwerty12Time to ifdown wlan0 again :(18:47
disqqwerty12: finally flashed, with lots of no space left interruptions. finally i moved all the files in apt archive (downloaded diablo) to mmc and symlinked back18:47
qwerty12Cool :)18:47
disqqwerty12: does connectivity applet in controlpanel or connectivity settings work for you? with the initfs?18:48
qwerty12But I'm using diablo initfs18:48
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qwerty12still don't work. I can't be arsed with this POS, gonna reflash.18:51
johnxyour choice18:52
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johnxyou'll learn more about networking if you see the problem through though18:52
qwerty12ATM, I want my N800 to work. I'm not so interested in networking.18:52
lardmanthey youth of today! no patience ;)18:54
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lardmanthey can probably type better than me though...:D18:55
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qwerty12lardman, you haven't been noting my typing have you? :P. I type quite bad actually.18:55
lardmanno, just my typo just then18:55
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RST38hX-Fade: Here?19:07
qwerty12RST38h, got a new calculator to upload? ^-^19:07
RST38hqwerty: Not yet, although I can probably give you the binary19:07
RST38hIf you feel like trying it19:07
qwerty12No worries, I can wait yet :)19:08
qwerty12Thank you though.19:08
infobotqwerty12: my pleasure19:08
qwerty12infobot, piss off19:08
* infobot off goes behind Beans & Brews and waters a tree19:08
johnx~lart infobot19:08
* infobot forces johnx to use Outlook Express19:08
disqstill having problems booting the new kernel, even with the initfs19:08
qwerty12N810 or N800?19:08
qwerty12People with N810 cant use it.19:09
qwerty123 people I know with N810 have had problems with that kernel.19:09
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disqi should reflash the randr kernel then19:09
qwerty12Yeah, it's what I'm using on N80019:09
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qwerty12I have a feeling that IPv6 was enabled in diablo kernel.19:09
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* qwerty12 copies diablo original repo to mmc219:11
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qwerty12I'm gonna make myself a rootfs after this is done19:12
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* RST38h wonders if screen rotation is enabled in the upcoming Diablo19:14
* johnx takes you 10:1 against19:15
qwerty12If that was a bet, you would have lost RST38h ;)19:18
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timelyanyone here know krisse?19:31
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disqqwerty12: any ideas why the connectivity cp applet won't work? does it work on n800 with new initfs and kernel?19:45
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qwerty12disq, it works on rotation kernel and diablo initfs19:46
disqqwerty12: on n800, right?19:46
timelydisq / Jaffa?19:47
disqi could upgrade my n800 too but it's comfy in the drawer, not using it anymore19:47
johnxbesides IPv6 what's the big advantage of the diablo kernel/initfs?19:48
disqtimely: no idea who that is19:48
timelyjohnx: do you ever want to run old kernels?19:48
johnxonly when they work19:48
johnxand the new one doesn't19:48
timelyit doesn't?19:48
timelydid you file a bug @ w/ details?19:49
timelyi'll try to blocker it tomorrow if you provide enough info19:49
johnxwell it's apparently not working well for disq is all I mean19:49
* timely has already tried to scuttle the release once19:49
johnxsorry, didn't mean to scare you19:49
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timelyoh, i don't mind19:49
timelyit's a fun exercise19:49
timelytomorrow i'll get to see how good i am at it :)19:49
johnxI'm just lazy and I use rotate19:49
disqtimely: i don't want to report bugs for unreleased builds :) they probably know about it already19:49
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timelydon't assume that19:50
timelyplease please please don't assume that19:51
timelyassume we're just as ignorant as i make us sound :)19:51
qwerty12I'd report diablo bugs if I could figure out bugzilla interface. But I guess I am n00b.19:51
timelyqwerty12: i'll walk you through it if no one else does19:51
qwerty12Thanks :). But before I annoy anyone, I'll check bugzilla tuts on the internet first :)19:52
infobotqwerty12: no worries19:52
qwerty12infobot, fuck off19:52
qwerty12I swear that it is in annoying mode today.19:52
disqtimely: ok then, i'll get the kernel version that's not working..19:52
johnxtimely, also, I worry that any bugs I run into are more likely to be caused by the update process that I used than from legitimate problems19:53
johnxI don't want to contribute to the worsening of the signal/noise ratio19:53
timelyjohnx: as long as you clearly document how you got there19:54
johnxalright, I'll dig through for a bit and see then19:55
disqtimely: is diablo 4.1 or "next"?19:55
timelyerr, do we have both in some product?19:55
timelydiablo is 4.1 which in most places should be "next"19:55
disqtimely: bugzilla both has "next" and "4.1"19:56
timelywhich product(s)?19:57
disqtimely: in advanced search, but not in new report19:57
timelyuse next, but hurry19:57
timelyif you dally you'll find 4.1 appears :)19:57
disqi could just tag it as 4.1 (that's the target milestone thigy in reporting a new bug)19:58
johnxactually, I'll ask here first: Does anyone else have a problem with d-pad center sending a "return" before opening the finger keyboard on the N800 in text fields in microb?19:58
timelyyeah, um, if you wait a few secs, i'll give 4.1 as a version19:58
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timelyok, try now?20:03
Jaffatimely: I'm aware of krisse, but not spoken to her(?) directly.20:03
timelygot a mailto: ?20:03
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disqtimely: thanks20:04
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disqtimely: #3174. :)20:11
Jaffatimely: or maybe something on
qwerty12or :/20:14
johnxso I assume that most diablo bugs are on an internal bug tracker somewhere?20:14
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timelylooking for a way to pass a note instead of commenting publicly20:15
johnxI don't care about commenting publicly20:15
timelythat was to Jaffa20:16
johnxanyways, at this point is it worth it to report bugs against Diablo's version of microb, given that they're fairly obvious? (the one I mentioned above for example.)20:18
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timelysorry, i'm friend, someone pastebin a summary of the problem and give me a  url to that20:20
johnxsure, one sec20:21
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johnxd-pad center in text fileld in microb send enter instead of bringing up finger keyboard:
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johnxalso, there is some issue with the focus of text fields in microb, but writing steps to reproduce that reliably might take me a bit20:26
timelythat's first pastebin's filed20:27
johnxok, good20:27
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timelysome future version will reinvent ime handling again20:27
timelysomeday i hope the problem will shut down20:27
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hendryhow do I added a menu item in maemo? can't find a tutorial20:29
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johnxhendry, Have you seen this page:
johnxspecifically the "Integration to Menu" section?20:31
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hendryjohnx: didn't find that!20:33
hendryjohnx: thanks ever so much20:33
johnxsure :)20:33
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timelyhendry: out of curiosity, what did you search for (google queries)?20:35
* timely believes in trying to fix wikis until things work20:35
dookdookhas anyone seen adn770?20:35
hendrytimely: i search in the wiki20:35
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timelyok, wiki query urls then?20:36
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hendrymenu items20:36
hendryand some variation on that20:36
hendrymaemo should nuke old docs imo20:37
timelyjohnx: can you make that query work better? :)20:37
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johnxinterestingly giving google "menu item maemo" gets the tutorial higher than "maemo menu item"20:39
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ArteK /WC20:46
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Jaffatimely: join ITT and send a PM?21:05
timelyno :)21:05
Jaffatimely: I can pass on a message that route, if you want (even if it's a "email ..."21:06
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timelysounds good. hold on, i'm fighting ssh/ssh-agent/hg21:09
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eichiwhat are the best free nvigation tools for maemo? maemo mapper and navit?21:19
JaffaThere's a new one, RouteMap just been ported, IIRC21:20
JaffaIf I Remember/Recall Correctly.21:21
glassjust short way of saying that one isn't 100% sure21:22
JaffaIn this case, because I've not looked at it in any way, shape or form.21:22
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eichiah okay ;D i thougt about IRC21:22
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kulve"ARM is developing highly optimized OpenMAX DL libraries which are being hand coded in ARM assembly."21:48
kulveI wonder if there's some hints about optimizing some functions21:48
kulvenot sure if there's even sources though..21:48
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kulve;// Description:21:53
kulve;// Compute an inverse FFT for a complex signal21:53
kulveseems to have21:54
kulve;// (c) Copyright 2007-2008 ARM Limited. All Rights Reserved.21:54
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timelyJaffa: #jaffa22:12
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Blasturis aircrack-ng available for n810?22:41
Blasturor kismet22:41
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qwerty12_N800both are22:42
Blasturbtw, is it possible to reset the n810 into factory default settings?22:43
qwerty12_N800There is option on control panel22:44
qwerty12_N800tap menu22:44
Blasturcan't seem to find a factory reset in the control panel22:50
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qwerty12_N800Tap the menu icon in top left corner,, tools, reset factory default settings22:51
RST38hqwerty: It is not the first time I see this in the news22:51
RST38hNot even the second time22:51
RST38hDo they play catch&release with him?22:52
qwerty12_N800hehe, see it for 3rd time :p22:53
infobotmoin moin, qwerty12_n80022:55
Blasturanyone know when Diablo will release?22:55
qwerty12_N800which fool gave infobot an upgrade?22:55
JaffaBlastur: I've reason to believe it will be some day in the not too distant future which contains a 'y' in its name.22:55
Blasturreally? :) that soon?22:56
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Blasturi read about it on wikipedia, do you know if MSN is included among one of the new "instant messenger" providers?22:56
qwerty12_N800nope it isn't22:57
JaffaThe rtcomm beta supported MSN, didn't it?22:57
qwerty12_N800you can install rtcomm tho in diablo22:57
Blasturwhats rtcomm?22:57
Blasturwhat additional providers will diablo support?22:57
qwerty12_N800none. lt's all in rtcomm.22:57
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Blasturrtcomm is an app bundled with diablo?22:59
qwerty12_N800it's bundled with chinook too. the beta adds more providers.23:00
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practisevoodoohow do you add a new repository?23:42
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timelyfrom application manager :)23:51
KotCzarnyor clicking on .install file somewhere on the web23:51
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x1alphais anyone at the moment chatting from his tablet ?23:56
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