IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-05-17

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NaviBlafasel, I hate it when people link to webcomics00:01
NaviI always end up reading through the entire archive00:01
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BlafaselNavi: Well, that's what happend to me when someone in here mentioned the link ;) As you can see I'm aready near the 4 digits border..00:05
Gracanahaha, I do that too Navi :|00:07
ReKlipzhow can i install applications to the emulator? right now the list is blank00:07
ReKlipzNavi: oh, duh00:07
ReKlipzi do this from inside the sandbox?00:07
Naviyeah, I think.00:08
NaviSandbox is a pretty ambiguous term00:08
ReKlipzNavi: meant scratchbox00:08
Navithen yes00:08
ReKlipzso, the scratchbox session is like a tty then?00:08
NaviGracana, are you compiling straight on your N800?00:09
ReKlipzand the xephyr session is like the tty for x?00:09
GracanaNavi: I haven't lately.00:09
GracanaI'm running debian, and it has plenty of packages, so there isn't much to compile.00:10
NaviWhere are you compiling Xomap?00:10
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Gracanain scratchbox00:10
GracanaI'm not set up to make debs on the tablet00:10
Naviusing a dedicated Debian target or the maemo sdk armel one?00:10
Gracanamaemo sdk armel one00:11
Gracanao_______________O how am I using 747MB already00:11
Naviawesome, it only took thirty minutes to back up my SD card :P00:11
NaviI'm using 85000:12
GracanaI only have a 1GB card :(00:12
NaviI only have a 1GB card :(00:12
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Gracana                       :(00:13
Navi                       :(00:13
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ReKlipzso, if i wanted a web browser, is there a default one?00:13
ReKlipzNavi: and it's name? :)00:14
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ReKlipzNavi: thanks00:14
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ReKlipzNavi: trying to get the hang of this00:15
NaviIt's no problem00:15
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NaviOh, if you're trying to get the web browser to work in scratchbox, you won't find it in the repos00:16
GeneralAntillesWell, actually, if we're being accurate, its name is "Mozilla based browser for maemo"00:16
ReKlipzi found it in the reops... microb-engine00:16
GeneralAntillesMicroB is actually the engine.00:16
ReKlipzfakeroot apt-get install microb-engine00:16
Navitimeless, that's an awesome name for it00:16
ReKlipzNavi: ah, ok, so...00:17
GeneralAntillesBut we like to use MicroB to describe the whole thing as a protest to maemo's naming processes having gotten completely out of hand. :P00:17
NaviThe closed parts of the browser aren't found on there00:17
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ReKlipzNavi: hmm, so, how do i get them?00:17
ReKlipzdo they come when i was asked to install the nokia software stuff?00:18
NaviThey come with the tablet and the image00:18
ReKlipzso I won't be able to use them until I purchase the device.00:19
NaviWell, I'm not sure00:19
NaviGeneralAntilles, can't you do it with the N8X0 emulation dealie?00:19
Navithen that works00:20
GeneralAntillesMaybe set up a loopback of the jffs2 rootfs image and extract the MicroB packages from there and run them in Scratchbox?00:20
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NaviEh, skin the cat00:21
ReKlipzwow, now I'm really thrown for a loop, lol. anyone care to take the time to explain to me how scratchbox, the shell files i ran, and xephyr relate to the actual device? (or have i been right so far?)00:21
GeneralAntillesNo, I love my cat. ;_;00:22
NaviI love your cat too.00:22
GeneralAntillesew gross00:22
Navimeow :300:22
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NaviReKlipz, scratchbox is used to compile for different architecture targets00:23
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NaviReKlipz, and can run proggies from the target you've set too, I guess00:24
NaviSomeone with more experience should be explaining this :P00:24
ReKlipznavi: lol, thanks for that though00:24
ReKlipzI think once I actually get the device, I'll be able to figure out it's innerds better00:25
* Jaffa ponders bed00:25
NaviJaffa, don't ponder00:25
JaffaSleep, Data. Sleep.00:25
ReKlipzI'm just trying to think of the best way of converting this from an internet tablet to a simple catalogin device00:25
NaviHey GeneralAntilles, you pondering what I'm pondering?00:25
NaviReKlipz, shouldn't be too hard00:25
JaffaMaybe, but how are we going to get the sheep to do the can-can without alcohol?00:26
GeneralAntillesNavi, I sure as hell hope not.00:26
ReKlipzgotta run guys, thanks for the help00:26
NaviNo you fool. It's time to take over the world!00:26
NaviReKlipz, bye00:26
* Navi hums the Pinky and the Brain theme00:26
GeneralAntillesMan it's been a while since I saw that.00:27
Naviwoohoo, Debian set up \o/00:28
Navilol, pentium-builder is in the debian arm repos :P00:28
GeneralAntillesNavi, build sum pentiums00:29
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NaviI forgot what I needed to build for mplayer :/00:30
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BlafaselPinky & Brain might be a good ringtone for my little brother..00:31
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BlafaselJust got a new E51 w/o cam (again, thanks to this channel) and play with it ;)00:31
nomisMhm. is  Jonathan Hudson00:32
nomisin this channel by chance?00:32
nomisThe Nokia N800 package for gtk-g-rays2 on his page is mislinked00:32
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CptnodegardBlafasel: ordered one (with camera) earlier today :)00:37
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NaviI semi-wish I had an E5100:39
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n800nme too00:40
n800nwhat is it00:40
KotCzarnyme not00:40
NaviI'm happy with my E70 though00:40
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Cptnodegardthe versio without the camra is more expensive over here :3 logic ftw¨00:40
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NaviCptnodegard, lol00:41
KotCzarnymaybe difference is not only a camera00:43
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NaviWell, maybe they only had the camera model for a while and decided to bring in the non-camera one00:44
KotCzarnyi hate marketing00:44
Navinot only marketing :P00:44
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BlafaselCptnodegard: Same price for me (prologing my contract): 0.00:45
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BlafaselKotCzarny: The cam is the only difference00:46
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KotCzarnyhard to believe00:46
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BlafaselCheck the specs/the Nokia site ;)00:46
KotCzarnymaybe some component upgrade or something00:46
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CptnodegardBlafasel: i thgouth of doing it but the current one doesnt run out until august. got a spare 8 hour shift at work uesterday so thats $200 ekstra, figured i might as well double that and get the e51 without subscription00:47
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KotCzarnysomething not user detectable00:47
BlafaselNope. Don't think so. They advertise it as "business, even for places where cams are forbidden"00:47
Cptnodegardpeople buy the camera version, stores can get bulkrates. people dont buy the non camera vrsion, hence higher price00:47
KotCzarnythat may be areason00:47
BlafaselCptnodegard: My contract expires in November and still I could get a new with subsidity (or whatever the spelling is)00:47
KotCzarnywe strip features to fit in a lucrative niche00:48
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BlafaselYeah, the non-camera edition was really harder to get.00:48
Cptnodegardeither way with a BT GPS on the way im looking forward to using sports tracker for biking00:48
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BlafaselWhatever that is00:49
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KotCzarnyyou don't know what gps is?00:50
Blafasel"sports tracker"00:50
Cptnodegardapp that tracks movement via gps and gives you a route in a map, speed etc00:50
BlafaselSounds like a) a well known application category or b) a special app - but I just don't know00:50
KotCzarnynew name for old thing?00:53
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KotCzarnyvery detailed though00:53
KotCzarnybut it depends heavily how accurate your gps is00:54
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BlafaselCptnodegard: Interesting00:54
Astrohi, I'm just wondering: is opencdk10 included in maemo-4.0.1? I cannot upgrade my 4.0 without it...00:55
dennywith the n810 gps your sports tracker is going to report that you died on the start line00:55
dennymine frequently fails to get a signal after ten minutes stood in the middle of a field00:55
KotCzarnyor being back before leaving00:55
dennylet alone on busy streets00:56
dennykinda wish I'd bought the 80000:56
KotCzarnyyou still can make an exchange00:56
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dennyalthough the keyboard has been handy occasionally, I'm not sure it was 'twice the price' handy00:56
KotCzarnywith someone who has n800 and is willing to switch00:56
Astron810 is smaller and has more flash00:57
KotCzarnyastro: not quite exact00:57
dennybut you can put two full size SD cards in the 80000:57
NaviI'll switch :D00:57
Cptnodegardless memory card storage00:57
GeneralAntillesN810 may be smaller, but N800 definitely has more capacity.00:57
dennythat's WAY more useful than the internal flash00:57
KotCzarnyMY n800 has more flash than yours n81000:57
Astrooh right00:57
KotCzarnyand comes with cheaper cards00:58
Cptnodegardfor the record im waiting for hopefully it will work fine with both e51 and n80000:58
Astrowhere do N810s swap to?00:58
KotCzarnybecause of regular sd slot00:58
dennyalso n800 has front-mounted speakers I think?  that would be better than 810's side placement00:58
KotCzarnydenny, yes00:58
dennythe 810 has one slot for miniSD00:58
GeneralAntillesAstro, internal soldered-on SD card.00:58
GeneralAntillesAssuming you set it through the GUI.00:58
dennynot microSD, which would be more useful00:58
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KotCzarny2gb sd is ~10$00:58
GeneralAntillesMeh, adaptors are practically free.00:58
Cptnodegardgot 24GB on the n800...thats twice as much as whats physically possible on a 81000:58
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KotCzarnyand one can wear out sd on n800 without fear00:59
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JaffaI'd be surprised if anyone's ever worn out a card on a NIT01:00
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KotCzarnyjaffa, but it's a possibility, isn't it?01:00
ferndAnyone notice any javascript bugs in mircob on the RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 release?01:00
BlafaselCptnodegard: Why can you wear it out on the N800 without fear (or why can't you do it on the 810)?01:01
JaffaCptnodegard: you can get 16GB Micro SD cards01:01
BlafaselBut the GPS module looks interesting01:01
JaffaKotCzarny: theoretical only, these days AIUI01:01
mrlanra1Where can u get the 16GB?01:01
CptnodegardBlafasel: i didnt say that, KotCzarny did :p01:01
BlafaselUrgs. Yeah, sorry.01:02
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Astroanyone any idea where I could get opencdk10 from?01:02
BlafaselSo - KotCzarny: Where's the difference in wearing?01:02
CptnodegardJaffa: wearing the card was an issue with the torrent client (whatever the fuck its called again) i remember, because its writing everywhere01:02
KotCzarnyblafasel: ability to exchange the failed flash01:02
Jaffamrlanra1: I just Googled for "16gb microsd" and got loads of results. Seem to be about 89ukp01:02
ferndI seem to be getting some weird truncation of javascript variables on RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 dropped back to RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2 and the problem seems to go away.01:02
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JaffaCptnodegard: an actual, actual, "OMG, my card is FUBAR" issue?01:02
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myscso what do you do if you wear out the onboard sd on an n810?01:03
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CptnodegardJaffa: nah more like "om my card can melt in 1000 years if i leave the torrent on constantly"01:03
Jaffamysc: 1) Warranty. 2) Buy an N900.01:03
* denny grins01:03
JaffaCptnodegard: ah, right :-)01:03
KotCzarnymysc: nothing much, you just start using external sd01:03
mrlanra1How can you wear it out?01:03
KotCzarnyor format as ext2/3 and run badblocks on it01:03
myscKot, i guess, so you can imagine install and boot from ext card solely?01:03
dennyflash is only good for a limited amount of write cycles01:03
KotCzarnymrlanrat: with few years of continuous writing01:04
Jaffamrlanra1: the technology used in solid state storage has a limit number of read/write cycles. Eventually it "wears" out.01:04
dennyalthough 'limited' is a big number, for normal purposes01:04
RST38hJaffa: write but not read cycles01:04
KotCzarnydanny: number of cucles is quite high nowadays01:04
dennyI wouldn't worry about it unless you're doing something odd with your device  :)01:04
RST38hYou can read all you want01:04
Jaffai.e. 10 years ago it was on the order of 10-100,000 writes to the same block.01:04
mrlanra1Why is my name mrlanra1 and not mrlanrat?01:04
dennyare you using pidgin?01:04
myscwhy'd they decide to solder and not have slots?01:04
JaffaRST38h: true01:04
KotCzarny10 writes to the same block seems small :)01:04
dennymysc: physical space01:05
GeneralAntillesmysc, because they needed to bundle the maps.01:05
dennyI'd vote for throwing away the useless GPS and having more space for memory slots, personally  :)01:05
RST38hYou only needed to write once really :)01:05
dennyGeneralAntilles: you can bundle an SD card with the maps on01:05
GeneralAntillesand, apparently, tossing a pre-loaded 2gb card in the box wasn't a workable option.01:05
Jaffamysc: space concerns. The N810 is the same thickness as the thinnest part of the N800 (give or take), and they needed the map space as GeneralAntilles says01:05
Navidenny, I'll totally trade you :D01:05
KotCzarnymysc: i boot and use sd card solely01:05
RST38hGA: They could perfectly well keep two microsd slots01:05
myscKot, to protect the flash?01:06
dennyRST38h: have you taken one apart and found room for a second slot?01:06
KotCzarnymysc, no, to extend free space01:06
KotCzarnyand to have a fun with it01:06
dennybecause I'm fairly sure they'd have put one in there if there was room  :)01:06
mrlanra1Yes im on pidgin....01:06
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RST38halalthough I have to admit even the one microsd slot they have is rather flimsy01:06
dennymrlanra1: okay, your nick was busy, so your client changed it by swapping a 1 for the last letter01:06
GeneralAntillesTechnically feasible01:06
GeneralAntillesbut apparently management decided that wasn't workable.01:06
myscKOt, how does that help with free space?01:07
RST38hdenny: there is room for a second slot01:07
dennyif you do /nick mrlanrat now it might fix it01:07
KotCzarnymysc: i have a / partition of the size ~1gb01:07
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KotCzarnybut i can make it as big as i want01:07
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RST38hGA: somebody in management has made a hasty decision because they needed to bundle maps FAST01:07
myscKot, i don't understand what you're talking about01:07
myschow does running things only on the slotted card increase free space?01:07
GeneralAntillesYeah, I don't agree with it, I'm simply explaining the probably logic behind it. :P01:07
ferndAny thoughts on this, should I make a bug report, the code hasn't been released out of private beta, so I can't include the code that causes the problem.  I might be able to write some generic code that causes the same bug.01:08
RST38hI guess the same guy made a decision to use Symbian-tested TI GPS chip without AGPS software01:08
KotCzarnymysc, factory default is os on flash in device (256mb of it)01:08
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, TI definitely gave them those for free.01:08
RST38hGA: Defnitely NOT01:08
dennythey should ask for their money back  ;)01:08
RST38hBut it is the smallest chip on the market01:08
RST38hAnd it works well enough once you feed it agps data01:09
KotCzarnyi have cloned os to 1gb sd partition, so i have 1gb for os (and i don't use that 256mb anymore, except for booting)01:09
mrlanratIt says my nick is owned by someone else, but i regesterd it...01:09
RST38hN95s/E90s/etc work very well after gps software update01:09
dennyin that case you're the 'someone else'01:09
Jaffamrlanrat: then you need to /msg nickserv identify <password>01:09
* denny looks01:09
dennyyou registered yesterday?01:09
Blafaselmrlanrat: /msg nickserv help01:09
mysci still don't get it...01:09
mrlanrat /msg nickserv identify01:09
dennyas the others say - /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD01:09
myscwhat is restricted to a 256mb partition?01:09
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dennyand uh, try not to post your password in here01:10
KotCzarnymysc: os01:10
dennyno space before the /01:10
GracanaNavi, johnx, how do hardware button events work in debian?01:10
mrlanratI dident...01:10
NaviGracana, hmm?01:10
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myscwhat do you mean OS, the kernel? the kernel+modules? the kernel+modules+base utils?01:10
dennyI know, I just see people do it a lot01:10
KotCzarnymysc: everything01:10
dennyhrm, getting lateish01:10
KotCzarnywhen you install a package01:10
KotCzarnyit goes into that 256mb partition01:10
GracanaNavi, when you click the middle d-pad button, the keyboard comes up. How did johnx do that?01:11
Jaffamysc: there are effectively two bits of internal flash in an N810. There's a 256MB space which the OS is installed into. There's a 2GB SD card soldered onto the board which is formatted as VFAT and contains the default maps for your region.01:11
NaviGracana, it's part of matchbox-keyboard01:11
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GracanaNavi: Are you sure? That doesn't make sense.01:11
gnuSnobWhat do former Palm users generally do for migrating their contacts?  Run garnetVM, or find replacement apps?01:11
mrlanratYay, works, thanks.01:11
NaviGracana, what do you mean?01:11
GracanaOh, I guess you're right. matchbox keyboard hider provides that functionality?01:12
myscJaffa, ah, that makes sense. and why can't you install apps to either the free space on the 2G or the external SD?01:12
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Naviit watches for an enter key event01:12
GeneralAntillesYou can, mysc, it's just better to boot from the SD directly.01:12
KotCzarnyga: we are talking about factory defaults01:13
KotCzarnyie, without user doing anything hackish01:13
myscah ok. so the idea is to install the OS to the external SD. and what do you need on the flash to have it boot from there?01:13
Jaffamysc: They're both formatted for Windows by default so they appear correctly when the N810 is plugged into a PC over USB. The 256MB space is formatted for Linux (e.g. ext*). Therefore, by default, since Linux programs generally need the extra meta-data which can be stored in Linux filesystems, they're installed into that.01:13
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GeneralAntillesInstall fanoush's initfs.01:13
NaviGracana, the rest of my hotkeys are using openbox's hotkey dealie01:14
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GracanaHmm Navi? Well I see that they are mapped to fkeys (and escape), that's good enough for me.01:14
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myscJaffa, didn't understand how it is windows formatted and also ext*01:15
KotCzarnyjaffa: one thing to note is when booting from sd you can't access it anymore via usb (unless booted back to original flash)01:15
ferndAnyone got any advice on what I should do?  First release of OS 2008 no bug, second release has the bug.  I can't release the code that causes the bug because it is in private beta. There are only 12 javascript bugs listed at  None refer specifcally to the truncation of integer variables.  It should return a 6 digit integer, but randomly it returns only 2 digits.  This only happens on the second release of OS 2008 for the N800 (01:15
JaffaKotCzarny: into01:15
NaviGracana, are they?01:16
Jaffamysc: eh? The 256MB is formatted for Linux. The 2GB is formatted for Windows.01:16
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GeneralAntillesWhat's the bug in fernd?01:16
Navixev says the center button is mapped to Return01:16
Naviand the rest of the buttons are mapped to F4-F801:16
Gracanathe escape button is escape01:16
ferndGeneralAntilles: It is mircob.01:16
Gracanaand the others are fkeys01:16
NaviOh, fkeys01:16
Jaffafernd: is it not possible to produce another snippet of code which exhibits the bug? Or describe what the code is doing which triggers it?01:16
NaviI read something else01:16
KotCzarnyfkeys, like fword?01:16
GeneralAntillesHow is the beta "private", then? MicroB is open.01:16
KotCzarnyprivate as in unsupported01:17
myschrmmm, very interesting...01:17
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Gracanahaha yes, like sticky keys but more obscene01:17
GeneralAntillesOh, you mean the applet causing the bug?01:17
KotCzarnyand you can't distribute the .deb01:17
myscKotz, have you written a how-to for this?01:17
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NaviOff to eat01:17
KotCzarnymysc: nope, but others did01:17
myschave a link offhand?  :)01:17
ferndGeneralAntilles: Private as in the website that mircob produces the error in when visting is in private beta.  Not microb.01:17
KotCzarnymysc, unfortunatelly, not01:18
KotCzarnybut should show up in google01:18
myscKot, why won't the sd be viewable when the nit is a usb slave?01:18
myscdanke GA01:18
Jaffafernd: try and raise the bug with as much information as possible.01:18
KotCzarnymysc, because it's in use01:18
KotCzarnyso usb controller can't get the card access01:19
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KotCzarnyit's like trying to mount one external usb hdd to two computers01:19
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myscso, in sum, your 256 is a bootloader (pretty much), your 2G has maps, and your OS+userland is on an ext mini SD?01:21
Cptnodegardthe it should disable the card then, that "feature" has annoyed the shit out of me01:21
KotCzarnyi have n80001:21
myscoh, does this not apply to an 810?01:22
GeneralAntillesWhat feature, Cptnodegard?01:22
KotCzarnyso my 256 has factory os and everything and i have partitioned my 4gb card into 3gb vfat (windows) and 1gb ext3 (linux)01:22
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KotCzarnyand cloned os to that 1gb partition01:22
CptnodegardGeneralAntilles: that it wont let memory cards mount when put in slave mode... every time i got that message the card wasnt actually in use, and even if it was the usb cable plugged in should prioritice that01:23
GeneralAntillesIt WAS in use, or it would've been mounted. :P01:23
GeneralAntillesJust use sshfs or sftp and save yourself the trouble.01:24
KotCzarnymysc: treat n810 as a n800 with 2gb card inserted into one of the slots01:24
KotCzarnyand glued into it01:24
Cptnodegardif the card is in use after the thing has been idling with no apps running for 2 hours then its doing something i fair has to do with world domination01:24
ferndJaffa: Thanks, I might be able to generate some snippets, but the testbed does have some heavy requirements.  It use xmlhttp calls to return a bunch of data.  This is all managed by hibernate and uses XML-RPC.  The main problem is that it seems to be so random that I can't isolate anything that would be triggering the bug.  So say I return a 100 items one time it will truncate the id of item 75 and the next it will truncate the id of 43.  It is01:24
mysci hadn't thought about burning up the soldered card until now :(01:26
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KotCzarnymysc: sorry01:26
myscyou guys are giving me nightmares heh01:26
KotCzarnyyou won't be able to burn it i bet01:26
KotCzarnyit would have to be running non stop writing all the time01:27
KotCzarnywithout a second of pause01:27
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myscdoes maemo use "swap" ?01:27
KotCzarnyso it would be either plugged all the time or recharged 4 times a day01:28
KotCzarnymysc: it's called virtual memory in control panel01:28
Jaffafernd: still, worth raising with all of that info - you seem like you'd be able to answer questions to help isolate it if necessary01:28
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myscKot, gotcha. well that's one way to reduce write cycles...01:30
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KotCzarnymysc, just don't worry01:30
KotCzarnyyou most surely won't be able to burn it in nearest 10-15 years01:31
ferndJaffa: Great.. i'll post it at bugs.maemo  I suppose if they need snippets they will let me know.01:31
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Jaffafernd: exactly, bet to have a bug logged than not01:33
LowRadioanyone know how long it takes to charge the n810? i just bought a new one today01:33
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myscKot, i guess so. i just obsess with s*it like this :)01:34
myscnevertheless, your lesson was still valid so i can extend my root filesystem beyond the i just have to wait for my n810 to arrive01:35
KotCzarnyclone, not extend01:35
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GeneralAntillesLowRadio, 3 hours01:38
GeneralAntillessomething like 30-50 minutes to 80%01:38
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GeneralAntillesYou can use it while it's charging.01:38
LowRadiohmm been over 5 hours changing01:42
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KotCzarnyand still shows 'charging' ?01:43
KotCzarnydo you use original charger?01:43
LowRadioits off also01:43
LowRadioall fresh out of the box new01:43
KotCzarnymaybe you have broken electricity01:44
KotCzarny(just kidding)01:44
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LowRadiowell ill wait a bit longer01:44
GeneralAntillesJust turn it on.01:44
LowRadiodoes it take longer to charge if i turn it on?01:44
KotCzarnya little01:44
KotCzarnybut not that much01:44
myscthe cloning howtos sound complicated :) redpill mode?01:45
GeneralAntillesIt's not hard01:45
GeneralAntillesJust follow the directions.01:45
KotCzarnyor just ignore the concept :>01:45
myscGA, yeah, must just seem so given i am only reading, no device yet01:45
GeneralAntillesMostly the issue is that the partitioning tools on the tablet kinda such ass.01:46
GeneralAntillesYou can just partition it on a computer save yourself most of the headaches.01:46
myscoh, you mean the fugly sfdisk?01:46
penguinbaitdidn't you see my deb?01:46
penguinbaitno sfdisk needed01:47
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penguinbaitnot by you anyway01:47
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penguinbait1 deb to clone flash to SD and install bootmenu01:47
KotCzarny1 deb to rule tthem all01:47
penguinbaitIt sure is handy, you can clone new system in about 5 minutes, by installing 1 deb01:48
KotCzarnypenguinbait: regardles of sd size?01:48
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penguinbaitI have not tested card bigger than 801:48
penguinbaitI think peopel are doing 16 also01:49
myscthat's nice! how big an sd can you plug into an 810?01:49
penguinbait16GB microsdhc is due out in June01:50
GeneralAntillesAs big as they make them.01:50
penguinbaitI think 8 right now?01:50
myscsweet momma!01:50
penguinbaitI only have a 401:50
penguinbaitin my 81001:50
KotCzarnyi think you can get 32gb on a preorder01:50
GeneralAntilles2048GB is the hardware limit.01:50
mysci got a 4g cause the 8g was out of stock01:50
KotCzarnywith insane price01:50
penguinbaitI have a 8gb sd in my 810, which I never use, maybe test one and while01:50
myscwhy don't you use the 810 only the 800?01:51
penguinbaitWhat do you think a 2048GB microsdhc would cost01:51
GeneralAntillesDepends on how many years in the future we're talking. :P01:51
mysci basically got the 810 over the cheaper 800s because of the kb (i will use mainly to irc and surf). i hope i didn't make a dumb mistake...01:51
penguinbaitOOPS > I have a 8gb sd in my "800", which I never use, maybe test one and while01:52
penguinbaitcrap,  I gotta run, I am late01:52
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KotCzarnymysc: you will be happy, it's such a fine device :)01:52
KotCzarnyand 810 looks nicer01:53
myscit is really sleek!01:53
* Gracana wishes he could afford one01:53
KotCzarnyit's more a toy for me though01:54
KotCzarnyso i didn't wanted to pay too much01:54
KotCzarnythat's why i got 80001:54
Gracanasame here01:54
mysccan you irc well from it, or is a bt kb a must for that?01:54
KotCzarnyi did irc from n-gage01:55
gnuSnobDoes garnetvm do instruction conversion?01:55
KotCzarnyit was a pita, but when you are on a train etc01:55
KotCzarnyit's enough01:55
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GeneralAntillesmysc, I IRC all the time from my N800 and 770s.01:56
myscGA with onscreen kb?01:56
GeneralAntillesGet about 40-60wpm01:56
GeneralAntillesAssuming I'm in a good flow.01:57
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myscbut you can see only a few lines at a time on screen right?01:57
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GAN800How long are your IRC messages? :P01:58
GAN800personally, I only need a line or two for mine.01:58
NaviI need sixty thousand lines for my IRC spam01:58
Navioh, the font shrinks once to add more room01:59
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Naviyou can see several lines worth of text at once01:59
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Gracanawrong tab.02:08
myscGA, neat. how does it look when the onscreen kb is up?02:09
GeneralAntillesMy screenshot utility spazed out02:09
GeneralAntillesI'm waiting for a recording to finish, then I'm gonna restart and try again. :D02:10
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myscGA, but you wouldn't say i wasted the extra $$ going for the 810, would you?02:15
GeneralAntilles_I_ would02:15
GeneralAntillesBut that's just me.02:15
ferndI can confirm that 16gb sdhc works great.  That's one of the reasons I went with the N800 instead of the N810.  The keyboard looks like it would be nice, but have 2 sd slots is awesome.  I am currently rocking a 4gb and 16gb card and considering another 16gb card. This plus kagu, bluetooth gps, and keyboard makes fernd very very happy.02:16
* Jaffa - on the other hand - prefers the all-in-one goodness of the N810.02:18
JaffaThe built-in 2GB + another 6GB gives enough space for a few albums, a complete series of ST:TNG, UK maps, and West Coast US maps.02:18
GracanaI was going to make a joke about how my palm pilot was the best choice, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.02:19
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ferndSpeaking of which, I haven't downloaded the maps yet.  I have been using maemo mapper, but I would like to give the built in program a shot.  I am in the middle of the country, do you know which maps cover the Kansas City area?02:21
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JaffaDownload both and see which show your town?02:21
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GracanaThe maps are huge :P02:23
KotCzarnythat's why storage space is nice02:24
Gracanabandwidth is also a concern02:24
ferndJaffa: That's the obvious answer..  I was just wondering if there is any info about what they cover other than "East Coast" or "West Coast".  I don't necessarily want to commit myself to a large download unless I have to.02:24
KotCzarnyotoh if you can get cheap ubitiquos net access you don't need storage space02:24
GracanaOh, I just had a think.02:25
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GracanaDoes the 770 do host mode? That would make this more interesting02:26
GracanaI recall that it does, but does not provide power. Correct?02:26
ferndKotCzarny: Right that's why I have been using maemo mapper.  But I thought I might use the trial of the turn by turn system to see if it was worth it.02:26
JaffaGracana: correct02:26
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ferndGrancana: That's what this site seems to indicate
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GracanaOkay, here's my idea. Gut my 770, put it in a case with bigger battery, USB hub, 2.5" 60GB HD (I have one on hand), and bring audio and power out to jacks on the side. Handy little ham radio computer.02:27
GracanaGood for capturing lots of data.02:28
GracanaWhat's the sampling frequency of the audio input?02:28
GracanaActually, with a dsPIC and USB I could get insane sampling rates02:30
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GracanaThis could be a fun summer project :)02:30
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KotCzarnymmmm, dataflow02:39
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GeneralAntillesGood god03:24
GeneralAntillesThe summary is supposed to be a SUMMARY. <_<03:24
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Jaffafernd seems to have made a boo-boo.03:25
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ferndWhoops... that was suppose to go in the comments... I'll fix it in a second03:36
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ferndThere that seems better... down to one sentance at least...03:40
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ferndWell... I got to run.  I check back later.03:43
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ferndg'night all..03:43
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GracanaCan the hardware keys be remapped?03:50
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Gracanaxmodmap is not an option, I actually need the keys to output different keycodes03:56
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ds3look in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800.c04:00
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ds3that defines the key codes each key should send04:00
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GracanaI don't suppose those are sysctl accessible..04:01
ds3don't think so04:02
ds3actually not sure04:02
ds3on x86 the keyboard supports loadkeys/setkeys04:02
ds3don't see ioctls being implemented for the keypad drivers04:03
GracanaI'd use xmodmap, but I want to change the hardware keys without changing the behavior of a plugged-in keyboard.04:04
ds3changing the board-n800.c file will let you do that04:05
GracanaOkay, I guess I'll do that.04:05
* Gracana need to figure out how to compile and flash a kernel now04:05
nomisGracana: uhm, what do you need this for?04:06
nomis(just curious)04:06
ds3it is pretty straight forward basically drop in config into the source; edit files as needed; make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=prefixtoyourarmtoolchain zImage04:06
ds3then use the Linux flasher04:06
Gracananomis, I want to have the hardware keys to have the XF86Launch0-9 functions.. That way I can map them with xmodmap however I please, and it won't affect anything important on a connected USB or bluetooth keyboard.04:09
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GracanaSpecifically, I want to make the hardware escape key into a locking modifier that causes the d-pad to either send directional (up, down, left, right) keysyms, or some other keysym to switch workspaces04:10
Gracanathanks ds3, I'll give it a shot.04:11
infobotno worries, Gracana04:11
infobotgern geschehen, Gracana04:11
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GeneralAntillesinfobot luvs u04:16
GracanaI see.04:16
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GracanaWhile I'm at it, is it easy to modify my kernel to add screen rotation?04:17
Gracanaahh, I was just there, thanks04:20
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penguinbaitNavi was Link's trusty fairy partner just before and during the Imprisoning War04:30
penguinbaitShe was summoned by the Great Deku Tree to accompany Link on his quest to save Hyrule04:30
ds3Navi: modest is disappointing04:30
NaviNavi was a she04:30
Navids3, is it?04:31
ds3yeah, background polling of POP3 doesn't work cuz for some reason it launches 2 polls at once and runs into locking conflicts04:31
Naviworks here :P04:31
ds3with POP3?04:31
Navior uh04:31
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Naviworked when I was using it04:32
ds3might be the beta I grabbed last night04:32
GeneralAntillesds3, if you've got a bug, report it. :P04:32
ds3and when I have it running, it doesn't play tones to notify of new mail, just blue light flashing04:32
GeneralAntillesIt IS a beta.04:32
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ds3GA: there is some place that will accept it? From what I found, there is a list but it is all newbies and reports there are as good as reporting to a blackhole04:33
penguinbaitGA, hows that tan coming?04:33
GeneralAntillesWent to the beach with my family a few weeks ago, applied some (apparently) non-water-proof sunscreen.04:33
GeneralAntillesIt's coming along nicely. :P04:33 . . .04:34
GeneralAntillesds3 ^04:34
ds3ah but I have to register first right?04:34
GeneralAntillesIt'll take you all of 10 seconds.04:34
GeneralAntillesIf you can't be bothered to register to report a bug on beta software, then you really have no right to complain. ;)04:35
NaviThe registration process is long and excruciating04:35
Naviand you'll get maemo spam04:35
penguinbaitworse than the bug?04:35
* Navi shrugs04:35
NaviIt's isn't long and excruciating04:35
ds3the bug is I don't get notified of new mail... so yeah ;)04:36
penguinbaitI use imap, so who cares anyway?04:36
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penguinbaitGA, what do you do for work?04:40
GeneralAntillesRight now, nothing.04:40
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penguinbaitI thought maybe a cushy support job04:41
GeneralAntillesWas doing a bit of Filemaker work and some website stuff on the side last semester.04:41
GeneralAntillesTaking it easy for the summer semester, though.04:41
penguinbaitwhats major, computer science?04:41
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* Gracana make bzImage04:42
penguinbaitwhere about in fla are you?04:42
GeneralAntillesThe capital, Tallahassee.04:42
GeneralAntillesAt FSU04:42
GracanaWhat happens if my kernel doesn't work?04:42
GeneralAntillesand damn tired of the heat already. <_<04:42
GracanaIs my device bricked?04:42
GeneralAntillesJust reflash it again.04:42
penguinbaitflash just ther kernel again04:42
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penguinbaityou can extract kernel from flash image and just flash it04:43
Gracanaokay, I was quite sure flashing was done before any kernel was loaded, but I wanted to be very sure ;)04:43
GeneralAntillesThe only thing that'll brick your tablet enough to require factory/JTAG intervention is screwing up NOLO04:43
ds3Xloader would surely do something similar ;)04:44
GracanaWhich mtdblock is that in?04:44
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penguinbaitalso dont try flashing with a non 2.0 usb cable04:44
penguinbaitodd things happen04:44
Gracanainteresting :X04:44
KotCzarnywhat cable is considered non 2.0 ?04:44
* Gracana has flashed his kernel plenty of times before, but never a custom one04:45
penguinbait1.0 cables04:45
GracanaKotCzarny, a badly shielded one? I dunno..04:45
ds3use the cable that came with it and you should be safe04:45
Gracananice :P04:45
penguinbaitI totaled a device using a old cable04:45
Gracanasbox-arm-linux-ld: no machine record defined04:45
GeneralAntillesI was unaware that USB cables came in any flavor other than "USB"04:46
penguinbaitalmost ruined the second one04:46
penguinbaitI can send you the cable, you tell me whst its problem is?04:46
GeneralAntillesI don't want your modified USB cable!04:47
GeneralAntillesSwitching 5v and data . . . evil bastard.04:47
penguinbaitIt flashed and appeared to work, but it is just copying crap04:48
GeneralAntillesI can't remember what they call those things. . . .04:49
penguinbaithey it fit both ends I figured I was golden04:49
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GracanaHow do I close an scratchbox session?04:51
penguinbaitI was just glad COMPUSA had a few in stock04:51
ds3are you using one of those self coiling cables?04:51
GeneralAntillesPull the power cable out of the back of your computer.04:51
penguinbaitno, it was clear coat shiny silver04:52
ds3there are USB 1.0 cables that barely meet the spec as far as noise and losses are concerned04:53
penguinbaitGA, I was like what the hell are you talking about?  I am a little slow tonight04:53
penguinbaitso what those hot temps been up to?04:54
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GeneralAntillesLow 90s04:54
GeneralAntilleslots of humidity04:54
penguinbaitits was a balmy 68 here in Michigan04:54
GeneralAntillesMy AC is dying.04:54
Gracanapenguinbait, close in a different context. I want to switch active targets, but when I try, it tells me to close my other session first.04:55
penguinbaitI wish it was 9004:55
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penguinbaitdo you have two terminals open inside the same scratchbox?04:55
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GracanaNope. I see stuff listed by ps.. *restarts scratchbox services*04:58
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n800non a serious note, has anyone passed the level with the brown spiral in numpty physics?05:04
n800nit's killing me.05:04
GeneralAntillesLots of people have05:04
GeneralAntillesYou're just not being clever enough.05:04
GeneralAntillesUse a catapult or something to get it in there05:04
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n800nmore lies05:04
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GeneralAntillesBut fairly similar to the solution I used.05:06
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GeneralAntillesOK, whatever.05:06
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n800nit's in!05:09
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NaviI beat the spiral one by getting the yellow ball out of the spiral05:24
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N770I've been looking in the forums everywhere and I can't find an answer to my wifi problem on my 770. is this the place to ask a question?05:34
GeneralAntillesWhat wifi problem?05:36
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N770I received the N770 today, and it work for about 10 min. then I flash a new firmware and it stop connecting to wireless network05:36
GeneralAntillesTry flashing again?05:36
N770I have flash 4 different OS's and is doing the same05:37
GeneralAntillesSame AP everytime?05:37
N770Hacked Editions and non05:37
N770same AP05:37
GeneralAntillesRestarted the AP?05:37
GracanaOops, I need to edit my bootmenu now, it doesn't listen for my hardware keys anymore.05:37
N770but I don't understand why it was working before...05:37
N770I did...05:37
N770once though05:37
GeneralAntillesAre there other APs in the area?05:37
N770I will retry right now..05:37
GeneralAntillesCan you see them?05:37
GracanaRather, it listens for the wrong ones.05:37
GeneralAntillescan you connect to them?05:37
N770but I can't see any05:38
myschey GA, just saw your pics, neat!05:38
N770no connections available05:38
GeneralAntillesI remember seeing something about something like this.05:38
GeneralAntillesbut I haven't paid any attention to 770 stuff for a long time05:38 killing me05:39
GeneralAntillesand haven't had any wifi issues at all with either of mine.05:39
N770my first day and already troubleshooting :p05:39
N770i will reboot my router right now...05:39
GeneralAntillesI mean, there's always the CHANCE it's just defective hardware.05:39
N770is odd though it worked just fine05:40
N770well...I just thought someone had a past experience with this...05:40
GeneralAntillesYou've been over ITT I presume?05:41
GeneralAntillesI KNOW something at least similar has been mentioned before05:41
N770yes, I've been in ITT05:41
N770and I'm all ears (eyes) on any guesses05:41
N770I will try order to make it work..05:42
GeneralAntillesDid you see more than one AP when you successfully connected to your own the first time around?05:42
N770Bluetooth is working..05:42
N770that was odd....I only saw mine...05:42
GeneralAntillesOther devices see the router, I presume?05:42
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Gracanads3, it worked :)05:43 laptop see's 6 APs...05:43
GracanaI wasn't able to apply the rotation patch, unfortunately.05:43
N770including mine..05:43
KotCzarnygracana: have you done all 3 things?05:43
GracanaThere were three things?05:44
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GeneralAntillesNo change with a reflash . . .05:44
GeneralAntillesWell, I dunno.05:44
KotCzarny1/ new x server05:44
KotCzarny2/ new kernel05:44
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KotCzarny3/ status bar applet05:44
GracanaOh, I see what you mean. No, the patch failed. Hunks failed. Large hunks.05:44
Navithe xserver that johnx compiled has rotation support05:44
N770when I flash I use this parameters...05:45
N770guanacux@guanacux-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo ./flasher-3.0, -F Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin, -f -R05:45
Naviyou can use the kernel from for rotation :P05:45
GracanaNavi, but that kernel does not have my modified hardware buttons05:45
GeneralAntillesKill that comma at the end of the filename.05:45
Naviah, right05:45
GracanaGeneralAntilles, when you download it, it has a comma05:45
GeneralAntillesand the comma at the end of flasher-3.0,05:45
Gracanasame with the flasher05:46
KotCzarnygracana, against which kernel version you are applying ?05:46
GeneralAntillesWell, kill both commas05:46
GeneralAntillesIn the filenames then at the prompt.05:46
Gracanarx-34-, KotCzarny05:46
N770will try that right now..give me 1 min...05:46
GracanaThat's what I thought.05:47
Proteousmy 770 that got the WSOD still has 10 days of warenty left!!05:47
* Proteous hurries to send it in05:47
KotCzarnygracana, all i can say you are doing it against wrong kernel, or wrong patch, or wrong patch command05:47
GeneralAntillesMaybe you'll get an N800 out of it.05:47
GracanaKotCzarny, I'll look into it more later, it was just kind of "while I'm at it I'll give it a shot05:48
KotCzarnyproteous: tell the truth, you have killed poor device05:48
* Gracana probably did something stupid05:48
myscdoes the maemo/openssh porter come here? (sobolev) come here?05:49
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N770Sending and flashing rootfs image (84403 kB)...05:50
N770 52% (44416 of 84403 kB, 584 kB/s)05:50
GeneralAntillesNot that I've noticed, mysc, why?05:50
myscGA, because of the bug...05:51
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N770Finishing flashing... done05:52
N770I will try to check for some APs now...05:52
NaviGeneralAntilles, OpenSSH vulnerability05:53
Navimysc, do you have the ability to compile packages?05:53
NaviYou can do it yourself.05:54
N770GeneralAntilles, Did the flash upgrade to SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin but nothing changed...still "No connections available"05:55
GeneralAntillesDunno then05:56
N770well many thanks! for your time!05:56
myscNavi, what tools do i need to compile them? and no changes are needed to stock openssh source?05:56
myscis there vm environment i can use on linux/i386 to compile for armel?05:59
Navithere's a vmware image you can use06:01
myscaha, thanks, will google.06:02
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Navimysc, wait, what bug?06:17
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myscNavi, the bug introduced by the debian developer06:27
NaviThat was openssl06:27
myscyes, openssh uses openssl's random number generator06:27
Naviwell just compile from the beautiful untouched source06:28
mysci'll try :|06:29
MikhoIt's a rare thing to see beautiful source06:29
NaviDebian maintainers do such nasty things to source06:29
myscthey sure did in this case...06:30
NaviThey always do06:30
myscand this has trickled down to all xandros (eeepc) and ubuntu users06:30
myscthe latter is a _huge_ userbase06:31
GracanaGah. vtwm does not allow me to declare functions, so I can't have functions that reference each other.06:32
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* Gracana had a bind keys and unbind keys function, and a key that would call bind keys. When bind keys would call, it would remap that key to unbind keys, and vice versa.06:32
Gracanathat was a convoluted sentence, but whatever06:33
* Gracana install something sane like fluxbox06:33
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Navigo ahead :P06:33
GracanaOr maybe openbox.06:33
Navigo ahead :P06:33
NaviI set up my debian build environment five hours ago and still haven't done what I wanted to06:34
myscNavi, you're setting up scratchbox too?06:34
NaviI took two naps in the four hours06:35
GracanaNavi, make a waterfall spectrograph that can read from the microphone input06:35
NaviNo :P06:35
GracanaIt's what the people want!06:35
GracanaAnd by "people" I mean me.06:36
NaviI wanted to compile xcompmgr and transset to make the matchbox-keyboard translucent06:36
Navisure it'd take up more ram, but I'm only using 50MB at the moment so who cares?06:36
Gracanamatchbox panel has pseudo-transparency06:37
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GeneralAntillesThe RAM police, Navi.06:37
NaviGracana, meh06:37
GracanaI am using 9MB of RAM right now >.>06:38
NaviI'd rather true transparency so I can maximize the matchbox-keyboard and see exactly what I'm typing underneath06:38
Gracanaright, that makes sense06:38
Navicongratulations mister vtwm06:38
GracanaNavi, perhaps you could just make a shaped window with holes in it.06:38
GracanaThat is a semi-serious suggestion.06:39
GracanaI think it could be done nicely. Just display the keys as outlines or small dots with characters on them or something06:39
GeneralAntillesAnybody else have trouble making mplayer die after finishing a video?06:39
Navimatchbox keyboard does weird things with my openbox layout06:40
GracanaLike what?06:40
GeneralAntillesIt always pops back up a few times before it dies for good.06:40
NaviGracana, it's resizing all of my maximized windows06:40
GracanaI have never used mplayer, so I can't say06:40
Gracanao.o Navi06:40
NaviI have fbreader06:41
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ricko73Finally used the gps on my n810 with Roadmap06:44
NaviHow'd you like it?06:44
ricko73besides draining the battery and taking a while to get the initial sync, it worked nicely06:44
ricko73I'd guess about 5 minutes ish to get the initial location, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since the gps console showed 4 satellites almost immediately06:45
NaviThat isn't bad06:46
ricko73I finally have it mounted in my vehicle though so we'll see how much practical use it will be in the long run06:46
Naviat least you're not one of the people that have to wait for hours to lock on06:46
ricko73I've always liked the roadmap program because it uses actual vector data06:46
ricko73I know that doesn't help many people outside of the US06:47
ricko73I used Gpsdrive back in the day (2001 ish) and remember running scripts to grab maps from mapquest or yahoo before going on a trip06:48
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Navijohnx, from now on, your name is jackx06:55
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dookdooki'm not sure if this is the proper forum for it, but i have a nokia n800 and am trying to compile a program under scratchbox.  its giving the following compilation error: 'unit_test.c:1: error: bad value (arm1136j-s) for -mtune= switch'06:57
dookdooki could have sworn i got this compiled and working a month or so ago, and i've updated some things (scratchbox i believe) since i'm not sure if thats important06:57
dookdookany ideas?06:57
KotCzarnydookdook: try -march instead of -mtune?06:58
KotCzarnyor mcpu06:58
dookdooki have an -mcpu=arm1136jf-s line already...06:58
KotCzarnythen i think you don't need mtune06:58
Gracanajf-s or j-s?06:59
GracanaThe one you pasted is j-s..06:59
dookdookjf-s for mcpu, and j-s for mtune06:59
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Gracanaoh really :P07:02
dookdooktaking out mtune gives:  `-mcpu=' is deprecated. Use `-mtune=' or '-march=' instead.07:05
dookdookidct_armv5te.c:1: error: bad value (arm1136jf-s) for -mtune= switch07:05
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KotCzarnythen use only march07:05
dookdookand then putting in -march=arm1136jf-s gives:   error: bad value (arm1136jf-s) for -march= switch07:06
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KotCzarnylet me check my flags07:07
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KotCzarnyexport CFLAGS="-Os -s -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp"07:08
KotCzarnyif it doesn't work check if you are compiling for the right target07:09
KotCzarnyie. armel vs x8607:09
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dookdookhow do i check that?07:09
KotCzarnywhat's your prompt?07:09
dookdook[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/proj/src] >07:09
dookdookok, thanks guys.  sorry bout the dumb questions...07:16
ricko73there are no dumb questions07:17
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GracanaHey, at least it was a simple fix.07:18
GracanaIs the x86 target worth using? I've never touched it.07:18
GracanaIs it just there for performance?07:19
Gracanaie get everything going on x86 and then compile the final project on arm?07:19
KotCzarnyit's for testing in sdk07:20
KotCzarnyie. you compile app and test it on your pc07:20
KotCzarnyin emulator07:20
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AStormKotCzarny: why the float abi?07:36
AStormwe do have VFP in N8x007:37
KotCzarnyastorm: otherwise it's not compiled for vfp07:37
KotCzarnyat least that's what i've been told07:37
AStormsoftfpu is SOFT floating point, dummy07:37
AStormthis way you compile for *no* fpu07:37
KotCzarnyastorm: i know the logic, but07:38
AStormif you don't give an option, with jf-s you build for vfp07:38
KotCzarnythat's what i've been told by local gurus07:38
AStorm(checked, target says that)07:38
AStormwith j-s you build for soft07:38
KotCzarnybtw. jf-s is vfp one07:38
KotCzarnybut you need that abi switch07:38
AStormactually, not07:39
KotCzarnyand don't argue with me07:39
KotCzarnyask ssvb, kulve07:39
AStormsomeone sent a lot of FUD, really... check what binutils say07:39
AStormthey're *not* wrong about targets07:39
AStormthe kernel *can* use VFP in its softfp, yes, but that's irrelevant07:39
AStormgcc can use it better07:39
KotCzarnyastorm: have you done any benchmarks?07:40
KotCzarnythat could convince me07:40
AStormI've done checks with binutils.07:40
KotCzarnyotherwise you are doing fud too07:40
AStormBenchmarks may be wrong if VFP is worse than softfpu07:40
KotCzarnybenchmarks are benchmarks07:40
AStorm(it may be possible on some code, although unexpected)07:41
KotCzarnyif softfpu is better, then there's no point in vfp07:41
KotCzarnyright? right07:41
AStormno no, it only means gcc is futzed07:41
AStormas the kernel may use VFP for softfloat anyway07:41
KotCzarnygive me numbers please07:42
AStorm1) objdump07:42
AStormhappy with the number?07:42
KotCzarnyyou know what i mean07:42
AStormSure, I'll get them. (from lame MP3 encoder, preferably)07:43
AStormI don't trust no stinking benchmark. Real code is a better test.07:43
KotCzarnybenchmark == timed real code07:44
AStormthat I can do ;P07:44
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NaviGracana, it's never worth it to build the x86 target :P08:16
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dmsuperman_is this channel logged anywhere/08:17
AStorm /topic08:17
AStormdmsuperman_: I meant, it's in the topic08:17
dmsuperman_yeah I found it :D08:18
dmsuperman_Alright, the .deb that penguinbait created to partition and clone your OS to an MMC uses a boot menu. Does anybody know how to change the time it waits before auto selecting an item?08:18
GeneralAntillesDownload fanoush's initfs flasher08:19
GeneralAntillesFix it up how you want it08:19
AStormdmsuperman_: for that, you have to mod bootloader.conf or the script itself08:19
GeneralAntillesrename it bootmenu.conf08:19
AStormoh, bootmenu.conf, yes08:19
GeneralAntillesFlash it08:19
GeneralAntillesSee the README for more details.08:20
dmsuperman_And this won't interfere with my current setup or anything?08:20
infobotgern geschehen, dmsuperman_08:20
GeneralAntillesinfobot luvs u08:20
NaviAnyone try out iNES?08:21
GeneralAntillesRST38h I'm sure. :P08:21
dmsuperman_GeneralAntilles, The warning says don't run it from SD card, but that's where my OS is. Do I have to reboot into the flash one?08:23
GeneralAntillesNo, I don't believe so.08:23
GeneralAntillesMy guess is that he means don't run it from a FAT partition08:24
GeneralAntillesBecause it wont run from there. :P08:24
penguinbawhats up08:26
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penguinbaitdmsuperman what are you installing08:27
penguinbait?? seems there was some confusion?08:30
dmsuperman_penguinbait, I was just going to try to edit my boot menu's waiting time08:31
dmsuperman_I used your .dev earlier today08:31
dmsuperman_I think I was on as cjohnson then08:31
penguinbaitdid you uninstall the deb?08:31
dmsuperman_no, it all works fine08:32
dmsuperman_I just wanted to change the boot time from 30s to something shorter08:32
penguinbaitif you have not yet removed the deb08:32
penguinbaityou can update bootmenu08:32
penguinbaitfrom /root/install_tools08:32
penguinbaitedit bootmenu.conf08:33
dmsuperman_is that all I have to do?08:33
penguinbaitrun initfs_flash08:33
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penguinbaitfollw promts08:33
penguinbaityou will reboot08:34
penguinbaitclose all apps08:34
dmsuperman_no prompts, no reboot08:35
dmsuperman_but no errors, looks like it went well08:35
penguinbaitoh yeah,thats my doing08:35
penguinbaitif I could only remember what I do?08:35
penguinbaitso just reboot08:36
dmsuperman_what is this usb network recovery mode?08:36
penguinbaitI never tried it, It has a telnet server08:36
AStormor ssh dropbear server08:36
AStormor both08:36
dmsuperman_what does it have for a username and password?08:37
penguinbaitif you want ssh you have to download fanoushes original package08:37
AStormdmsuperman_: root w/o pass afaicr08:37
penguinbaitdont run from flash, and you really dont need it08:38
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dmsuperman_you mean ssh from the recovery mode?08:38
dmsuperman_or from the live maemo08:38
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AStormrecovery mode08:39
AStormmaemo one has rootme as the default pass08:39
dmsuperman_yeh, installing openssh allows you to overwrite it when it's installed08:39
penguinbaitI mean if my main os in os boot from sd, if flash becomes corrupt, I just reflash, install bootmenu again and start up my already configured os08:39
GeneralAntillesWhy install again?08:40
GeneralAntillesJust --flash-only=rootfs08:41
penguinbaitI need it to fsck the boot fro sd after crashes08:41
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penguinbaitright, that too08:41
penguinbaitagain I am confused08:41
penguinbaitits almost 2am her and I am crashing08:42
penguinbaitI am not in college like GA08:42
KotCzarnyare you old?08:43
dmsuperman_is it normal that mmcblk0p2 is mounted as both /mnt/initfs and /mnt/initfs/tmp ?08:43
AStormdmsuperman_: uhm, the .../tmp should be tmpfs, but yes, it's ok08:43
penguinbaitI have 4 kids and feel older08:44
dmsuperman_oh wait I misread that. /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted both to / and /mnt/initfs, and "none" is mounted to /mnt/initfs/tmp08:44
penguinbaitdoes that count for anything?08:44
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KotCzarnypb: sounds like fun08:44
dmsuperman_penguinbait, how old?08:44
dmsuperman_4 kids08:45
penguinbaitoldes is 1508:45
penguinbaityoungest is 908:45
dmsuperman_i bet that's a bundle of fun08:45
NaviSo you had your first fairly young, and in quick succession08:45
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penguinbaitit took me a while to figure out what was causing it08:46
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dmsuperman_it was mayonaise i bet08:46
penguinbaitthen we got a mail-lady08:46
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penguinbaitalright I am out, sleep calls!08:47
dmsuperman_me too soon08:48
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dmsuperman_I didn't mount it, but is there a problem with sftp into the n800 from a linux desktop?08:55
dmsuperman_Then I found the perfect way to transfer in08:58
dmsuperman_I didn't even mean to08:58
AStormthere's fuse sshfs too08:58
dmsuperman_I definitely didn't install an FTP server on the n80008:58
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dmsuperman_unless openssh includes ftp?08:58
AStormwhich is made of win08:58
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GeneralAntillessftp is openssh08:59
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molkkohow one gets commandline in n810. in my n800 it was "xterm". searching xterm on gives nothing??09:51
GeneralAntillesIt's included by default.09:54
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molkkowhat it is called10:01
molkkook. found it10:01
molkkoi did not notice that I must scroll down. I though all the items under utilities are visible immediately10:02
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BlasturHey guys. Quick question. My n810 keeps pulsing the blue light whenever it sits idle, no apps running, display is off and in offline mode. What is it trying to tell me?10:16
BlasturKinda annoying if you wanna sleep and it keeps pulsing10:17
Sargunits telling you its bored, and sleeping.10:17
GeneralAntillesIs it plugged in?10:17
Sargunjust put something over your N810, or put it to sleep.10:17
GeneralAntillesdo you have anything in the notification area?10:17
GeneralAntillesSee Control Panel -> Display -> LED Tab10:17
BlasturNot plugged in10:17
* RST38h ported SlideRule to Maemo but can't figure out the best way to do controls10:18
RST38hDamn thing does not even have a dialpad =(10:18
BlasturAh "device on" notifier maybe the cause?10:19
infobotsure thing, Blastur10:19
GeneralAntillesI don't recall if it just shows that when it's on and screen off or when it's actually charging.10:19
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* qwerty12 just realised i'm not as crap as I thought with programming10:37
qwerty12hehe, anything good happen :)10:38
RST38hqwerty: You appletized Conky?!? =)10:38
qwerty12RST38h, Nay. Because I don't understand, I'm gonna try and take a clunkier approach :/10:39
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NaviIt'd be nice if we could just get some pipe applets10:39
GeneralAntillesssh + imagemagick + http server + web shortcut applet. :D10:39
qwerty12I'm gonna try and make conky draggable and make another applet that doesn't display anything but will load conky when ran and close it when the applet is disabled.10:40
qwerty12ATM though, I just need to finish off the keybindings on this game I got to run :)10:41
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qwerty12Just a quick q, do SDL_BUTTON's refer to the mouse buttons?10:48
trickieqwerty12: well you can test for a mouse button click using that macro IIRC10:51
qwerty12Ok, thanks, it answers my question :)10:51
qwerty12Sigh. I love my N800. It keeps restarting for fun. No hacks done to it. It's probably checking the jffs2 blocks :/10:53
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trickieqwerty12: are you grabbing coredumps ?10:53
qwerty12Yes I am come think of it.10:54
KotCzarny2coredumps1qwerty ?10:54
qwerty12Core dumps are actually enabled at initfs time so I could take a look through them. thanks :)10:56
qwerty12Sigh. It was my N800 realising too late it was out of battery power :/10:57
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qwerty12Most N800's (mine at the beginning) would shut off before it starts booting from rootfs. Mine decides to boot. :/10:58
qwerty12And then gets shut of later leading me to think the worst.10:59
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rm_youjohnx: yo?11:32
johnxyo yo11:32
rm_youjohnx: did you say a while ago you might be interested in going in together for hosting?11:33
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Navijohnx, hi12:08
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Cptnodegardare there any emulators whatsoever that run full speed on the ITs?12:27
NaviiNES supposedly does12:28
glassi'm pretty sure theres some nes and such12:28
qwerty12Can SCUMMVM be classified as a emulator?12:28
glassscummvm while not an emulator still runs at fullspeed12:28
qwerty12Ah, i see.12:28
GAN800dosbox runs t12:29
glassqwerty12: game engine is better word i think?12:29
qwerty12RST38h's emulators are brilliant12:29
GAN800at fullspeed12:29
Naviscummvm runs a bit slow depending on the game12:29
qwerty12glass, yes :)12:29
Cptnodegard:/ nothing useful iow12:31
GeneralAntillesWhat do you want, PS1? :P12:32
RST38hqwerty: you are welcome :)12:32
glassi find scummvm plenty useful12:33
RST38hCptn: All of my stuff except for VGBA should run at full speed12:33
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RST38hVGBA will run at 60-75% of GBA speed on ITs12:33
CptnodegardRST38h: any snes?12:33
RST38hI haven't done SNES, sorry12:33
Cptnodegardwhat then?12:34
qwerty12RST38h, any chance of ever implementing GBA bios option? GPSP ran brilliantly on my PSP with GBA bios.12:34
Cptnodegardthx :)12:34
Navijohnx, why is the display variable set to :10.0 by default?12:34
RST38hqwerty: GBA BIOS is emulated, but if you have a real BIOS file in /usr/share/vgba. VGBA will use the real BIOS12:34
qwerty12RST38h, brilliant, thanks :)12:35
RST38hReal BIOS is slower than emulated though12:35
qwerty12Ahh :/12:35
RST38hSo, unless you have a game that ABSOLUTELY wants it or you really like the GBA opening animation, don't bother12:35
qwerty12Ah, ok then. No worries, at least I can play GBA games at acceptable speed :)12:36
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lardmanbmidgley: ping12:38
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lardmanAnyone know why the SBC code assumes the input stream will be in biendian fomat (i.e. Sun .snd)?12:49
RST38hbiendian would be nice...12:52
lardmanwhy though?12:52
RST38hworks both ends12:52
lardmanoh :)12:53
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lardmanI just thought it was a bit odd that the sbcenc expects to see bigendian input data, as presumably the data is usually receives is little endian12:55
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lardmanah, it all becomes clear13:03
lardmanI was only looking at the test code there, the wrapper around the sbc functionality, and they'd chosen to use SUN .snd13:03
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thopiekarhi @ all13:07
thopiekarqwerty are you there?13:07
qwerty12Yeah, give me a min.13:07
* qwerty12 is waiting for standard kernel to compile first...13:09
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BlasturWhats the esiest way to send files to someone over wifi on n810? Can only find scp cmdline util but its too much work. Is there a ftp gui or such?13:11
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GeneralAntillesFrom or to the N810?13:11
GeneralAntillesMaybe Bluetooth for small stuff.13:12
BlasturOk hmm. Searched for ftp, no hits in app mgr13:12
BlasturI look again13:12
GeneralAntillesIt's not in the repos13:12
qwerty12.Check on ITT13:12
qwerty12Or google like GeneralAntilles says13:12
thopiekar< is away for around 5mins..13:14
qwerty12Just as soon as kernel built :p. I'll try the module next now.13:14
GeneralAntillesHe only charges $49.99 a download.13:15
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qwerty12thopiekar, when you get back, I have asix.ko waiting for you ;)13:17
qwerty12Compiled against standard nokia kernel.13:17
thopiekarI'm back..13:18
thopiekarohh nice^^13:18
thopiekarcan you upload it to the iTT13:18
qwerty12Ok, will do :)13:18
thopiekarinto the thread13:18
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thopiekaryeah this community roxxx13:19
qwerty12Np, I've posted it :)13:20
thopiekarwhat do you mean with:13:22
thopiekarRemove the .zip extension.13:22
thopiekarrename it??13:22
BlasturThanks guys it woeks now13:22
infobotBlastur: bitte13:22
thopiekarok thxx again13:22
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thopiekarthats german, isn*'t it13:23
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GAN800Somebody kill infobot13:24
qwerty12infobot, die.13:25
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.13:25
qwerty12infobot, die.13:25
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term-sigguys anybody from uk?13:29
qwerty12I am :/13:29
term-sigqwerty12: u know something about SC (Security clearance)?13:30
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qwerty12erm, no sorry :(13:30
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GAN800Nobody is from the UK13:31
GAN800The UK doesn't exist13:31
GAN800It's all a lie.13:31
qwerty12 &
qwerty12All I can find.13:31
GAN800Stop spreading lies, qwerty1213:31
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qwerty12I can't help it. I think I will wave my Union Jack too.13:32
term-sigqwerty12: hehe i found this same but no info how pass that cert..13:32
qwerty12Hehe, I was born here and I've never applied for job yet so I don't really know sorry :(13:33
qwerty12Maybe lcuk will13:33
GAN800a LAZY liar. . . .13:33
qwerty12I'm still in school yet :P13:33
term-sigdont be so lazy qwerty12 ;P13:33
GAN80014 is the appropriate age to start working. :P13:34
qwerty12I don't have any qualifications yet to apply for a job with yet13:34
qwerty12Meh, can't be arsed. I live of bank of Mom and Dad.13:34
GAN800That's why you go bag groceries.13:34
* GAN800 worked 40 hours a week his senior year. :P13:34
lardmanGo write computer systems for your Dad13:34
lardmanor someone anyway :)13:35
qwerty12hehe. My Dad don't know nothing about computers except :p13:35
* qwerty12 is happy. I got OpenBOR compiled. I remember playing on Dreamcast. Now to see if it runs...13:37
* lardman is also happy not being at work today13:38
lardmanI say stick with the holidays :)13:38
GAN800Party party party!13:38
thopiekarim gonna leave13:39
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pupnikdoot doot13:44
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lardmanpupnik: how's it going?13:47
pupnikpurdy good.13:48
pupniksomeone did an OPL pass-through driver for dosbox13:48
pupnikchecking that out today13:48
* lardman saw OPL and thought of Psion for a moment :)13:49
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glasslardman: hah me too..13:49
lardmanI was quite excited until it sunk in13:49
glasslardman: shame that it wasnt ported to symbian 913:49
lardmanglass: the source is available13:49
glassi guess most people intrested in it would have gone for python by now13:50
lardmanyep, that's my conclusion; means I need a book by my side now though; I knew that programming manual inside out :)13:50
pupnikanybody want a dismantled netbook?13:51
pupnikotherwise it's goin up on ebay.  motherboard power connector broke off13:51
lardmantoo old now really13:51
GAN800Solder it back on.13:51
lardmanI still like the Psion series 5 form factor though13:52
pupniki lost the SMT resistor it needs.  if i could figure out what to put there, i'd be ok13:52
GAN800Use it to build your doomsday device.13:52
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pupniksomething nice about a umpc with leather on the case..13:52
pupnikyeah the 5mx was nifty... keyboard just not quite big enough for my hamfingers13:53
lardmanbigger than on n810 though13:53
lardmanscreen was bigger too, physically, good for the eyes :)13:54
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* aquatix has a 5mx laying around13:56
aquatixnice device13:57
aquatixdon't use it though13:57
aquatixneeds wifi :P13:57
lardmannor do I anymore, except for the crossword/scrabble cheating app13:57
aquatixprevious owner used it among other things for taking notes at meetings13:58
aquatixfor writing up the summary13:58
* aquatix finds the keyboard a bit cramped though13:58
aquatixjust slightly too small, otherwise it'd be awesome for typing13:59
lardmanit's not too bad for quick bursts of typing13:59
lardmanthumb typing that is13:59
GAN800All of our problems would be solved if we only had a 10 letter alphabet13:59
aquatixbetter than the n810 i guess, but the n810 holds better in your hands while typing i think13:59
aquatixGAN800: :)13:59
lardmanGAN800: more room for symbols in the standard ascii set14:00
pupnikit's 2008 and our computers are still too stupid to be voice driven14:00
GeneralAntillesVoice is inefficient and irritating.14:00
zapGAN800: The 2 digit alphabet is at your service14:00
qwerty12Wait until 300814:00
* aquatix doesn't want voice driven irc in the train ;)14:01
aquatixtime for some smart-laid-out small keyboard around my left wrist14:01
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aquatixthen i can type with my right hand while holding the tablet with left14:02
pupnikhere's an invention, two wristbands that can detect fingermovement through the tendons, type on any surface (knees) with chording14:02
RST38hWhy do you need to talk to computer at all?14:02
* aquatix plugs usb in ear14:02
aquatixalmost fits14:02
aquatixpupnik: yeah, but how do you know which `keys' you are hitting?14:03
lardmanaquatix will take a long time to charge with only 100mA14:03
molkkosearching VNC in downloads section. does it mean vnc client nor server is available are there other corresponding SW for n810 or is it possible to x server in ubuntu laptop14:03
aquatixlardman: :P14:03
pupnikchording - i.e. not querty but finger contraction combinations14:03
aquatixmaybe i'll be the powersource ;)14:03
aquatixpupnik: ah indeed14:03
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aquatixread about that14:03
aquatixintersting technique14:03
pupnikyeah with a nice display in glasses, and some form of chording, you could be all 'wearable' mobile14:04
GeneralAntillesWhat did they call those guys in Snow Crash?14:04
aquatixdammit, almost remember :/14:05
RST38hIn Hyperion, they cold those "federal employees"14:05
infobotRST38h meant: In Hyperion, they called those "federal employees"14:05
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aquatixRST38h: heh, indeed14:05
aquatixand that hacker guy14:06
RST38hWilling to work 16 hours a day for meager salary and surplus electronic equipment14:06
aquatixwhich died in the prcoess of retrieving the AI14:06
RST38hAnother cute idea was an internet-based parlament, de facto powerless and dominated by demagogues14:07
aquatixGeneralAntilles: meh, can't remember how they called people plugged in to the metaverse :/14:08
GeneralAntillesThe interwebz are failing me, too.14:08
GeneralAntillesOh well14:08
GeneralAntillesSomebody'll think of it.14:08
pupniki liked 'fragments of a hologram rose'14:09
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* aquatix is currently reading Asimov14:12
aquatixFoundation series14:12
pupnikgreat stuff.  he incorporated a couple of other novels into the foundation 'universe' as well14:12
pupnikthough 'foundation's edge' was a bit of a letdown imo - maybe it was just me14:13
aquatixi read caves of steel a while ago14:13
aquatixcurrently reading the second of the 7-book core14:13
aquatix[Forward the Foundation]14:14
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GeneralAntillesThe first 4 of Foundation are really exceptional14:15
GeneralAntillesThen it just goes in the crapper.14:15
aquatixGeneralAntilles: Prelude till Foundation and Empire?14:16
GeneralAntillesSomething like that14:17
GeneralAntillesmaybe first 514:17
GeneralAntillesbeen a while14:17
aquatixSecond Foundation :)14:17
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* RST38h didn't like Foundation very much, although Azimov's popular chemistry books are nice14:22
GAN800You sure you read the right ones? <_<14:23
RST38hPretty sure14:23
RST38hUnless there is a second set for specifically enlightened readers14:23
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eichimaemo mapper often su**s the map database file...someone knows this?15:00
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RST38heichi: Translate "sucks the map database file"15:24
eichimaemo mapper doesn start anymore. it crashs if the second cam, the map will shown15:25
eichiit i eject the sd card, with the map database on it, it starts with black background15:25
eichithen it works15:25
eichibut the database is now corrupt15:25
RST38hOk, this one is relatively easy to fix15:26
RST38hRun xterm, go to where database is, delete the database.15:26
RST38hYou can always reload it off the Net, so other than some lost time it will not harm you15:27
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practisevoodoois there any way to configure the menus on an n810, or anything else like personal menu15:53
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pupnikpractisevoodoo: you can move menu items around16:01
practisevoodooyeah but you got to scroll around all over the place16:01
qwerty12_N800pipeline's linkmaker is a brilliant way to add stuff too.16:02
qwerty12_N800then use personal menu like you said16:02
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practisevoodoook cheers i might muck around with that then16:03
eichiRST38h, thats no fix ;D16:03
eichii redownloaded the maps now several times...its no fun anymore16:03
qwerty12_N800eichi, see if  card isn't getting i/o errors16:04
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JackCrowGood morning16:04
JackCrowdoes anyone know how to turn off the "type-ahead" bar when using a keyboard?  Some keypress brings it up, but I can never get rid of it w/o rebooting16:08
qwerty12_N800i think setting is in gconf but text input settings may be able to do it16:09
eichiqwerty12_N800, maemo mapper says after crash: gdbm fatal: read error16:10
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JackCrowThere is a key combination that initiates it.  Something with shift, i think.  And I am /almost/ positive that i turned it off once with a key combo, but not sure16:11
qwerty12_N800does sound like i/o error,  a lot of apps would  lock up with old card of mine. try an fsck on it  and  untar metasploit on-the-jobit for testing16:11
qwerty12_N800stupid text prediction16:12
JackCrowit wouldn't be too bad, except i don't get the on-screen keyboard when I have the bluetooth keyboard turned off16:12
eichiqwerty12_N800, how can i install fsck for ext2 ?16:14
qwerty12_N800It comes with the ext2 tools package. i'll search up pkg name...16:15
eichie2fsprogs i think so16:16
qwerty12_N800yes, that is it16:16
eichifsck.ext2 on device or on mountpoint? device or? which one is the extern sd slow?16:26
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qwerty12_N800on device. /dev/mmcblk116:30
qwerty12_N800or /dev/mmcblk1p116:30
eichiyes, i know, but: is this the same?16:31
qwerty12_N800should be16:31
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eichiyeah, many errors16:35
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konttorihas anyone compiled kde 4 for maemo?16:39
konttorijust out of curiosity16:39
qwerty12_N800nay, broken qemu arm emulation16:39
eichistupid fsck...i had to press the "y" now more then 500 times...doenst seems to stop16:44
Stskeepsfsck -y16:44
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eichiStskeeps, i tryed -p ;) you saved me ;D16:45
eichiokay, after this check, the content of my sd card is nearly empty ^^16:47
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briandhas anyone else seen problems loading the gronmayer page?  I get about one screen of info on my n800, then a "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: curl_init()"17:20
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bmidgleylardman I see you figured out the sbc thing17:21
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lardmanbmidgley: I was actually going to ask you about whether 64bit types are really needed, but they seem to have disappeared in the newer code18:11
lardmanthough I may find them again if I'm unlucky ;)18:12
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zapbriand: it's so for several days already18:15
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* lardman has just compiled the first attempt at a DSP SBC encoder18:22
lardmancoffee break, then time to test18:22
johnxlots of fun things happening on the tablets these days :D18:22
lardmanfar too easy thus far, something is bound to go wrong18:22
qwerty12SBC is that A2DP stuff init? :)18:23
johnxI know that feeling18:23
johnxqwerty12, yup18:23
qwerty12Thanks johnx and lardman :)18:23
infobotde nada, qwerty1218:23
qwerty12infobot, wtf18:23
johnxlart infobot for being infobot18:23
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johnxman sony really bungled that "mylo" thing badly...18:26
thopiekarhey qwerty can you please quick explain me howto keep up usb.lan-networking18:27
Cptnodegarddoes anyone have any tips to good podcasts? preferably gadget related18:27
thopiekarwith my asix.ko?18:27
Cptnodegardbeen searching but found shit18:27
qwerty12thopiekar, No idea, never used it.18:27
qwerty12I'd try replacing one of the modules with the asix18:27
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infobotque tal18:34
benh_somebody knows of some kind of HOWTO to replace the internal micro-SD of the N810 ?18:34
johnxit's a soldered on chip18:34
benh_oh !18:34
benh_I though it could be updated18:34
johnxWith a desoldering kit and some godlike soldering skills maybe ;)18:35
benh_not for me then18:35
qwerty12Or just shoot the micro-SD with glock18:35
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NaviThe Mylo could of been great if it didn't suck18:45
johnxyeah...avoiding suck is sometimes a difficult trick18:45
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NaviMy friend's sister had a Mylo18:46
NaviI thought it was interesting18:46
qwerty12Was it ever "hacked" more by their community? wikipedia says it runs linux18:46
johnxqwerty12, nope. Sony locked it down after the 1st firmware and no one got it re-opened18:47
qwerty12That really sucks.18:47
johnxno community software, just a whole bunch of kids on forums whining18:47
briandzap: ah, thanks.  :/18:47
Navinot only that, but it's butt ugly18:48
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johnxthere's probably *some* type of vulnerability in netfront or even lower in the linux stack18:48
briandactually, i was trying to find where gstreamer was, so I could install it.  found it, installed it.  turns out, it didn't help with the issue i was having, anyway.  :(18:48
Naviso it'll never gain mainstream success18:48
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johnxNavi, yeah, the "aimed at kids"-look kind of meant it missed the linux hackers I think18:48
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NaviOh yeah, I got xcompmgr and transset working18:49
Naviit was extreme luls18:49
johnxpainfully slow?18:49
Navinot painfully, but yes, slow18:49
Navinot where you'd think though18:49
Navimoving it around was bearable18:49
briandissue being:  videocenter doesn't play ABC news videos or Discovery Channel videos very well at all.  I had tried the "-ao gst -ac dspmp3" options for mplayer, and video played great, but no audio.  found i should probably have gstreamer on the n800 for that...18:49
Navihowever, when you actually want to use the keyboard, CPU spikes from 0 to 10018:49
briandokay, so now i have gstreamer, but i can't get audio using that config...18:50
Naviand there's a split second delay between pressing a \key and it coming up on the screen18:50
qwerty12briand, gstreamer is installed. mplayer needs recompiling for gstreamer18:50
qwerty12Actually scratch that, mplayer comes with it afair18:50
Navidspmp3 is disabled18:50
briandi noticed i didn't have the lib in /usr/lib, so now I do...18:50
Navithe builds in the repos don't have it enabled18:51
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Naviat least, that's what I got from the last discussion about it18:51
briandanyway.. i'm kinda disappointed that Discovery Channel video isn't watchable.  :(18:51 least, for me (so far)18:51
qwerty12When it comes to video and N800, I'm not disappointed anymore. I'm used to it.18:51
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Navitranscoding is fine with me18:52
NaviI still find the screen impressive, actually18:52
qwerty12transcoding is always an option. I did that with my phone.18:52
NaviI do it with... everything18:52
johnxI'm just not big on mobile video I guess18:53
ricko73grrr.  claws keeps crashing on the new rev18:53
briandNavi: transcoding isn't an issue, really.. but c'mon - if I subscribe to a feed in Video Center, shouldn't I be able to play it directly, without having to download the video, cart it over to the desktop, transcode it, and then put it back on the n800?18:53
qwerty12I didn't have to do it at all with my PocketPC. Although I guess it did have 520Mhz arm processor18:53
Navibriand, for stuff like that, I have a cron :D18:53
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NaviI've never recommended the N8X0 for video18:54
johnxqwerty12, not much to do with processor and everything to do with that stupid lcd controller bus...18:54
Navibut I'll probably do so for the N90018:54
qwerty12johnx, yeah.18:54
johnxI'll wait to see how the pandora and the N900 compare :D18:54
NaviThe processor can decode your normal xvid/divx at full frame rate18:55
qwerty12I'm probably gonna buy another Pocket PC after the N800.18:55
Navijohnx, they're almost the same18:55
briandNavi: understood, again, it's not an issue of my not being able to do it... but why should I have to require the presence/usage of my desktop for this?  If I'm at my desktop, I can just watch it -there- for heaven's sake!18:55
johnxNavi, I'm starting to care more about openness these days18:55
NaviWell, assuming that the N900 is going with OMAP343018:55
Navijohnx, well, pandora's probably going to win :P18:55
NaviNothing stops us from stealing their OS though18:56
johnxNavi, well user land stuff yeah18:56
NaviNah, I'm talking about the more intimate stuff18:57
johnxbut dragging a binary wifi module along could be painful18:57
Navithe 3520 and 3430 are nearly identical :P18:57
Navior uh, whatever the pandora was using18:57
johnxright, but the wifi chipset isn't part of the omap18:57
johnxFrom what I understand18:58
briandqwerty12: fwiw, I have mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.27.n8x0 installed... is that not the best option for me on my OS2008 n800 ?18:58
johnxso if Nokia uses one with closed drivers and leaves us with a binary kernel module tied to kernel version x.y.z then we're back in the same boat we are now18:58
qwerty12briand, I think it's fine. You *may* get better performance out of the rc2 but you know?18:59
NaviWe could pray they go with an open chip :D18:59
* lardman has just eaten too much pecan pie18:59
qwerty12Nokia listens to money, not God.18:59
johnxNavi, they'll go with the cheapest one that fits their requirements18:59
NaviNot unless we complain19:00
johnxbut like I said, I'll wait until both are out19:00
ricko73Nokia doesn't listen to the Ceiling Kitten?19:00
johnxnow rush this time19:00
Naviriot in the streets!19:00
johnxNokia is always welcome to prove me fact, I look forward to it!19:00
Navihell, if they prove you wrong, I'd be pretty happy :P19:00
NaviI don't know what they'll do19:01
johnxneither do I19:01
johnxhence: wait and see :)19:01
Naviwe should hit up some nokia employees and force them to tell us19:02
johnxin the meantime my next project is getting hildon stuff running better in debian19:02
johnxor maybe angstrom19:02
johnxwho knows19:02
Naviyou could do both at the same time :P19:03
johnxI'll probably at least prototype in debian19:03
Navia lot of the hildon libs are in the repos19:03
NaviI installed them accidentally19:03
johnxand they have started packaging tinymail19:03
johnxmaybe I'll try and get modest running19:04
NaviI was working on mplayer19:04
Navibut my debian setup in scratchbox stopped working19:04
Naviso I was like, fookdatsheet19:04
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Proteousfucked data sheet?19:10
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unixSnobcheck this out.. gps software that only requires 2MB memory for maps =>
unixSnobThat s/w could probably run in the garnetvm19:13
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jku_2MB is definitely not enough for USA street maps (vector or raster) in any usable scale...19:17
jku_That's about 4 bits of data for every mile of paved road in the US19:19
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lardmanwell it asked for data, just didn't give any back :)19:22
* qwerty12 really likes switchdesktop19:23
lardmanah, probably failed to identify the header, need to check that - bloody endianness issues19:23
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thopiekarhey qwerty... the readme says that I have to "insmod usbnet.ko"19:26
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thopiekarwhere is the file stored in??19:26
qwerty12no idea, can't see it on my N80019:27
lardmanin the initfs iirc19:27
unixSnobjku_: what's going on w/ that s/w then?  How can they advertise 2mb needed for maps?19:27
lardmannot there actually. I thought here though: sftp://root@
lardmanignoring the sftp stuff of course19:28
* qwerty12 hates sites that make you enter "www."19:29
jku_unixSnob, maybe they just don't mention that handheld versions only have a small map area on them (so you'll have to update before going to another town)...19:30
thopiekarqwerty12: can you make me a "usbnet.ko", too. <please?>19:31
qwerty12no idea where it comes from and I'm quite tired atm :/19:31
jku_unixSnob, Windows version map data seems to be 1.1 GB ...19:31
thopiekarthat would be very nice ;)19:31
qwerty12just insmod the asix thing and see if dmesg spits out any errors19:31
thopiekarso just type dmesg into the console?19:32
qwerty12after insmod <path>/asix.ko19:32
thopiekaras user?19:32
qwerty12you can't insmod as user19:33
qwerty12but dmesg will work as user19:33
thopiekari mean dmesg19:33
johnxjeez, ITT is being slow19:34
thopiekarso.. I rebooted my device now.19:35
qwerty12I think usbnet is compiled in kernel, at least I don't have .ko when I compiled nokia_2420_defconfig :/19:35
thopiekarhost mode started... insmod asix.ko... and dmesg...19:36
thopiekarhow can i find now problems in the dmesg.output????19:37
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thopiekarhello @ all , again19:53
thopiekaris here someone called "Rob Williams"??19:53
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* lardman ponders, sbc_encode() returns with an error about a lack of space - related to handling sizes in terms of 8bits and 16bits at the same time19:57
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SakkathHi, I can't upgrade to os2008.20:05
SakkathI passed -f -R as options and when I turned on the device it says sw-version: <no version>20:06
Sakkaththen returns back to my prompt20:06
Sakkathin other examples i've seen it then proceeds to flash the OS . . . not in my case20:06
qwerty12flasher-3.0 -f -F <path to file.bin>20:06
Sakkath-f -F?20:06
Sakkaththe Maemo wiki page said -f -R20:06
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SakkathI'll try, hold on.20:06
qwerty12Yes, -f (flash) (FIASCO)20:06
qwerty12*-F  (FIASCO)20:07
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Sakkathqwerty12: <-- then that is invalid20:07
qwerty12It's been said before. No one really cares tbh :/20:08
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qwerty12I learned how to use flasher by the one line sentence of GeneralAntilles :p20:08
GracanaHow is that invalid?20:08
GracanaI'm pretty sure that's what I've always used20:09
SakkathGracana: well qwerty12 is telling me to use -f -F as opposed to -f -R20:10
GracanaYes, but that line says ./flasher -F FIASCO -f -R20:10
qwerty12Why not just try it and see if it works :/20:10
qwerty12All -R does is reboot after flashing.20:10
SakkathOh, that it does.20:10
SakkathPlease forgive me.20:10
GracanaWhich says -f(lash) and -R(eboot) using the -F(IASCO image) FIASCO20:10
SakkathI didn't notice the -F before the bin file20:11
SakkathI'm so sorry :D20:11
Gracanaah, I wondered20:11
SakkathGod damn, it's always something _so_ stupid20:11
SakkathWell, I'd rather it be this than my n800 is messed up :P20:11
GracanaYes, certainly.20:11
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thopiekarqwerty: do you know what the output of dmesg "menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage "VMMC" to 300mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)" means??20:14
thopiekar-.-" leaved20:14
thopiekarcan someone else tell me what this message means?20:15
SakkathNice, thanks.  See ya later.20:15
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toresbeis carrierdetect here?20:23
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ProteousI heard typing /names works well20:28
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Proteousit's normal price on there is $419 today it's $38520:31
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Proteousmight be because it is shipped from someone other then amazon20:32
Proteousso no free shipping20:32
RST38hlike ebay!20:32
kulveKotCzarny: AStorm: I made a little test about the mfpu and mfloat-abi options:
AStormLet's see :-)20:36
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kulveactually now I noticed that I forgot to say something important about the gcc command I used..20:38
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kulveAStorm: I added there "-O2 and -march=armv6 were given in all cases"20:40
AStormWhy nothing works with hard and vfp?20:41
AStormit should!20:41
AStormyou messed up by using that march20:42
kulve"vfp.c:1: sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP"20:42
AStormapparently my GCC is newer20:42
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AStorm(4.2.3 to be exact)20:42
bmidgleylardman multiplies are 32x32=64 bits iirc20:42
AStormI'll recheck it.20:42
kulveyeah, the maemo gcc is quite old. But I'm not sure if it has some tweaks backported to it20:43
AStormNo, it doesn't. It's the plain CodeSorcery one20:43
kulvebased on what information?20:43
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bmidgleylardman I really wish we didn't provide for big-endian input...20:43
AStormkulve: notice the CodeSourcery tag20:44
AStormthen find the compiler and compare :-)20:44
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bmidgleylardman it complicates zero-copy (the codec does a lot of copying currently)20:44
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Whisker_@denny: hi denny, i'm new to irc and trying to link nicks, but allways receiving errors. can you help?20:46
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GracanaWhisker_: /msg nickserv group nick password20:50
GracanaI think that's what you're talking about20:50
GracanaYou can always /msg nickserv help group20:50
GracanaFreeNode nickserv doesn't do grouping, apparently. Or it calls it something else..20:51
GracanaOh, it calls it linking :P20:51
GracanaSame syntax, just use the word link20:51
AStormGracana: too late20:52
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toresbeCould anyone do me a fairly huge favour?21:10
RST38hhow much?21:11
toresbe3 kilograms of favour21:12
qwerty12_N8003 kg of weed!?!21:12
toresbeI need to get a simh binary running on my N800 soon, for a quick presentation21:12
toresbebut I don't want to install the development stuff21:12
toresbecould somebody please build a package of it for me on the N800?21:13
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qwerty12_N800If you  had asked an hour ago ; i'd have tried but i'm off computer  now.21:14
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unixSnobfor 3kg of weed, qwerty12_N800 should be willing to fly to toresbe, and provide onsite support21:14
Gracanatoresb, give me a minute.. :)21:15
* Grackle on the desktop machine21:16
unixSnobDoes the n800 have a voltage regulator?21:16
* qwerty12_N800 goes back into diablo repo...21:16
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unixSnobAnyone try feeding just 500mA@5V to the NIT?  does it cause any problems?21:18
Grackletoresbe: Waiting for my virtual machine to boot. Any specifics I should know about? What OS are you running?21:18
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qwerty12_N800can anyone dump default values of gconf /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys21:25
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GrackleCompiled, toresbe. Uploading.21:33
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GrackleThat's untested. Good luck. :P21:40
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trickieunixSnob: yes it does have a regulator21:51
unixSnobWhat voltage range can it tolerate?21:52
glassprobably up to 8 or so if it's like other nokias21:52
unixSnobi'd like to connect it to my cars 12V21:53
glass5 is fine21:53
AStormthat'd mean I can get even higher efficiency21:53
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AStormwhich regulator are we talking about?21:53
trickiei think thats it21:53
glass12v is probably too high21:53
glassunixSnob: just get a cheap cellphone car charger21:53
glassthat'll probably have a regulator to down it to 521:54
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unixSnobWell I have a USB port in the car, w/ a max current of 500mA.  The NIT will overdraw that I think21:55
unixSnobthe nit's PSU is 890mA21:55
AStormglass: sorry, only 5.5V max in21:55
glassAStorm: some old nokia chargers were 6v iirc21:56
AStormalthough you can get 10%21:56
AStormwhich means just above 6V21:56
glassAStorm: and some phones can tolerate 9v in21:56
glassfrom a 9v batt without extra reg21:56
AStormthis chip isn't a phone converter21:56
AStormbut, wait21:57
AStormthat's for battery input21:57
AStormthe 5.5V... ?!21:57
AStormthis means... that I could just plug the NiMH in directly21:57
AStormafter somehow disabling the charger21:57
AStormalthough it's recommended to stay below 4.5 V21:58
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AStormNiMH will easily tolerate that 880 mA draw21:59
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AStorm(note, it really can be that high - so that wimpy Nokia AC-4E charger can't supply enough ;P )22:00
AStormthe q still remains: how to disable the charging, then maybe later reenable it?22:00
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unixSnobperhaps by removing the battery, and putting it back in22:02
AStormit's enabled by software22:03
AStormso I guess it can also be disabled22:03
RST38hWell, the software says "disconnect charger to save electricity"22:03
AStormkilling the control program seems ungraceful22:03
RST38hIt would have to say it if it could disable charging22:04
qwerty12_N800dbus sends out signals on charger connect. Maybe option in sysfs or proc?22:04
AStormit's dsme stuff22:05
infobotRST38h meant: It wouldn't have to say it if it could disable charging22:05
RST38hAlso, the battery itself may be keeping track of its charge to avoid meltdown22:06
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AStormRST38h: it can't obviously disable the charger itself!22:07
AStormso it'd still suck power22:07
AStormyes, quite a lot, like 10%22:08
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AStormTWL92230 has a backup battery port22:10
AStormI smell a nice mod22:10
AStormnot sure yet if it only powers the chips, or the whole thing22:12
AStormnah, it'll only keep RTC and such up22:15
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AStormthere must be another charging chip anyway22:20
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EruditeHermithey has anyone ever got the SIP video working with the tablet?22:20
* unixSnob considers putting one of these behind the dashboard, and wiring the 5V output to a USB hub:
EruditeHermitI can never get the video to work with ekiga22:21
unixSnobEruditeHermit: I've heard some folks have success w/ gizmo and video (which is using the SIP protocol)22:21
unixSnobbut it doesn't work well enough to be practical.  It tends to just work if two NITs are connected from the same LAN22:22
EruditeHermitthats one of the problem areas with Linux22:23
EruditeHermitits difficult to get videoconferencing to work22:23
lardmanbmidgley: long long on the DSP is only 40bits22:27
AStormlardman: what a pity :-)22:27
lardmanbmidgley: I can implement 64bit types, but would prefer not to if pos22:27
RST38hlardman: should have called it "longer" =)22:28
AStormthis Menelaus chip is quite powerful22:28
lardmanwell 2x32bits in a struct will get around it22:28
lardmanwell long is 32bits and int is 16bits, so long long is long long really :)22:28
lardmanwasn't an endianness issue in the end, something to do with byte counting getting confused; looking at it now22:29
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AStormit should be at least 48bit to be useful ;P22:29
lardmanbmidgley: nice that the codec doesn't really do any allocation though, makes life much easier22:29
qwerty12_N800AStorm, Is Menelaus to do with mmc cards?22:30
AStormqwerty12_N800: with power supply and MMC, yes22:30
lardmanAStorm: oi! stop saying nasty things ;D22:30
qwerty12_N800AStorm, Thx22:30
* AStorm starts to hate BGA22:31
KotCzarnyastorm, got any results?22:31
AStormKotCzarny: right now nope, still too busy22:32
KotCzarnyi have seen kulve's link22:32
KotCzarnyapparently it's much faster with softfp22:32
AStormyes, but VFP didn't work in hard mode for him22:33
KotCzarnypity he didn't post the code22:33
kulveAStorm: prove me wrong22:33
KotCzarnyhi kulve22:33
kulveKotCzarny: the code is there22:33
AStormI'll try.22:33
KotCzarnyahm, sorry22:33
EruditeHermitI got a gizmo account but I can't find out what the suffix for the account is22:33
KotCzarnyi have overlooked :)22:33
kulveAStorm: be sure to check that you don't optimize that for loop away ;)22:33
kulveit might happen easily with newer gcc22:33
AStormthat shouldn't remove dead code22:34
kulveAStorm: I used O2 but old gcc22:34
lardmanbmidgley: interesting; sbc_pack_frame() takes an input argument, len, which doesn't appear to be used at all?22:35
kulveAStorm: but you need to remember that I'm using the official toolchain for chinook. If you are using something else, you need to specify it.22:35
lardmanbmidgley: Another random thing I noticed (as I had to create typedefs): sbc_pack_frame() has two u_int32_t variables, while everywhere else has uint32_t22:36
KotCzarnyit's interesting how gcc optimization helps the code22:36
AStormkulve: ofc I will :-)22:36
KotCzarnyso checking for misc -O options is also useful22:36
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AStormA cross compiler actually.22:36
KotCzarnyscript for checking all interesting combinations is easy :)22:37
AStormKotCzarny: it's called acovea22:37
KotCzarnyi usually use /bin/bash22:37
AStormit's smarter than your average script22:37
kulveKotCzarny: depends on the case. There can be huge difference on some codecs between no -O option and -O3 (talking about speex here=22:37
AStormAI and all22:37
AStormkulve: do you know if Speex resampler could be further optimized for ARM?22:38
AStormKotCzarny: btw, I'm still waiting for that pulseaudio22:38
kulveresampler? I think that's something quite new and it propbably could be optimized22:38
kulveespecially for ARMv622:39
AStormuntil I'll have the time to do that myself22:39
KotCzarnyastorm: hmm? :)22:39
qwerty12_N800I compiled quick pulseaudio, no idea if it works22:39
AStormqwerty12_N800: with Speex support?22:39
qwerty12_N800Erm, no :/22:39
AStormthat resampler should be the fastest of the ones available22:39
kulveAStorm: I also got the speex encoder running on DSP but with lousy perf. According to Mr. Speex it should be much faster even when unoptimized22:39
lardmankulve: yeah but he didn't have to hack it into life did he22:41
lardmankulve: have you done any more with it?22:41
kulvelardman: not sure what you mean :) But he was mainly comparing MIPS there22:41
kulvelardman: no :/22:41
lardmankulve: I was meaning that it wasn't a nice thing for him to say22:41
kulvelardman: I didn't see it like that. He was just surprised to hear that it was 5x slower than on ARM side so there must be something odd happening22:42
AStormlike gcc fail22:42
lardmankulve: I read it the wrong way then, my fault22:43
AStormtime to look into asm22:43
AStormand profile it22:44
lardmanoops, yet another watchdog reboot22:45
lardmancan't quite work out what I'm doing to kill it22:45
KotCzarnybad watchdog, bad22:45
AStormit barks and bites22:45
kulvelardman: it logs it22:45
lardmankulve: Oh I know I'm resetting the DSP, just not quite sure why :)22:46
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kulveah, ok :)22:46
AStormdoes anyone need a simulator?22:46
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lardmanmy DSP resets are bad as dsp_dld can't be reloaded as I'm sharing the framebuffer too22:46
kulveyou can also disable the "reset the device if daemon X dies too many times" feature22:46
AStormkulve: wrong watchdog, he's talking about DSP one? :>22:47
lardmankulve: yeah, but at least it comes back up with the DSP in a normal state22:47
lardmanAStorm: actually I think the DSP reset probably tries to reload dsp_dld which won't which then triggers the dsme watchdog22:47
kulveAStorm: no, problems in DSP results to restarting dsp_dld and when it restarts X times, the dsme restarts the whole device22:47
AStormmad software22:48
kulveor, if it's the watchdog and not the restart count, then my comments are just bs..22:48
* lardman was wondering why an Nvidia driver was tainting the kernel on his N800; didn't notice the ssh connection had died; doh!22:49
AStormwhich driver? wtf?22:49
AStormuse some more readable prompts then22:49
lardmankulve: probably a restart count as it can't restart it when the fb is shared (which may be why the 770 used to crash more often)22:49
AStormbtw, is OMWeather fixed now?22:50
* AStorm runs to update22:51
KotCzarnykulve: left menu is a little broken on your site22:51
KotCzarnyon a window 900x45022:51
kulveKotCzarny: yeah, I know.. If you mean that it doesn't fit entirely?22:52
KotCzarnyand doesn't scroll22:52
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kulveyeah, the not-scrolling is a feature. And it works OK on most non-IE browsers with decent window sizes, so I haven done anything to it..22:53
kulvemaybe I need to22:53
KotCzarnyfirefox 2.x here22:53
* qwerty12_N800 wishes i was back on ff 222:54
kulveyeah, it bugs with all browser with "too" small window size..22:54
KotCzarnykulve: i assume than it will happen on nit too, then :)22:55
qwerty12_N800it does :/22:55
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kulveyes, because it doesn't scroll..22:57
kulvemaybe I need to change it to regular scrolling thing..22:58
KotCzarnyqwerty: you can simply unpack firefox 2.x somewhere and add to menu :)22:58
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KotCzarnykulve: yeah, stuck menu looks nice but is inpractical i think22:58
qwerty12_N800will do thanks :), don't want to use deb incase something breaks during upgrade22:58
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lardmanoops, another bus error, but it looks like it might have even done something :)22:59
KotCzarnyqwerty: just grab tarball from mozilla.org22:59
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lardmanhmm, doesn't seem to have actually saved anything though23:01
GracanaWhat happened to toresbe? ...23:01
GracanaLooks like I didn't get that package up in time.23:01
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rm_youlardman: I wish I could hug you :P23:15
rm_youDSP-SBC == <323:15
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bmidgleylardman: the len is supposed to be used to avoid buffer overflow looks like23:16
qwerty12_N800I'll <3 for dsp sbc (joke) :p23:16
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lardmanbmidgley: It doesn't appear to be used though, just thought I'd point it out (otherwise I'm making a mistake)23:20
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bmidgleylardman: right, it's a feature we've yet to finish23:20
lardmanjust wanted to check I wasn't messing up :)23:21
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lardmanGod only knows where my data has gone; I wonder if my ARM-side code has a problem23:21
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rafael_somebody is brazilian in here?23:36
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KotCzarnytry /who #maemo and look for .br23:36
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rafael_haha, thanks, however I asked because easier for me23:39
rafael_however, like that is me23:41
rafael_no problem...23:41
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rafael_someone I can respond if there is any utility that I can use to create a network with my USB N800?23:43
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rafael_where I can find?23:46
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KotCzarnygoogle for maemo usbnet23:47
KotCzarnyor something23:47
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AStormrafael_: the utility is gadgetfs usb module23:50
AStormyou get a usb0 interface then, use ifconfig or udhcpcd to set it up23:50
AStormgadget_eth or something23:51
rafael_gadgets :)23:51
AStormthe module is on the device already23:51
AStormI think.23:51
AStormyes, g_ether23:51
zapit doesn't work reliably23:51
AStormnah, it does23:52
zapfor some reason23:52
zapwell it works ok for the first time I plug USB in23:52
zapand if I do it second time, it usually hangs the n81023:52
AStormnot here :P23:52
rafael_really thanks for this hint AStorm23:52
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zaprafael_: the easiest way is to do from command-line:23:53
zap(as root)23:53
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zaprmmod g_file_storage (or something like that, do a lsmod)23:53
zapthen insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/g_ether.ko23:53
zapthen ifconfig usb0 up23:53
zapthen insert the USB cable into PC23:54
rafael_ok, but, on PC is easy23:54
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rafael_but, I see today something software that created a graphical interface to this23:55
zapyou can try it, but it hangs for me23:55
rafael_I'm know that come (dependence) of Pluthon23:56
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rafael_however, I don't find :/23:56
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