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| penguinbait | Ah, then end of another hard day at work!!!! | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | you are ircing from work? | 00:03 |
| penguinbait | what else am I supposed to do? | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | working? | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:03 |
| penguinbait | I work for a sales org, if they dont sell, I just sit and wait for systems to configure | 00:04 |
| JackCrow | If I couldn't IRC from work, I wouldn't IRC at all! | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
| penguinbait | mostly I configure nokia devices :) | 00:04 |
| penguinbait | we dont sell those :) | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
| penguinbait | and KDE just finished installing on my new partition, how timly | 00:05 |
| summatusmentis | how well does KDE work on the N810? | 00:05 |
| penguinbait | its a tad slow to start new apps, but they all run well | 00:05 |
| Blastur | is it normal that the N810 stops reponding to pings whenever it doesn't use the wifi connection? | 00:06 |
| penguinbait | no its your AP | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | blastur: probably you have wifi idle on? | 00:06 |
| Blastur | how can i disable wifi idle? | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | in connections window | 00:07 |
| JackCrow | you can set an idle time | 00:07 |
| Blastur | i have "unlimited" | 00:07 |
| penguinbait | I had to buy newer AP | 00:07 |
| summatusmentis | what hildon? the backend WM? | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | try lowering pwoer saving then | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | power | 00:07 |
| Blastur | penguinbait: ive tried 2 APs now, both were flashed with OpenWRT | 00:07 |
| Blastur | KotCzarny: where do i control that stuff? | 00:07 |
| penguinbait | I had 810.11b linksys, always had problems even with dlink firmware, I got a netgear 802.11b/g and its working perfectly | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | blastur: when you configure ap, next all the way to the end and click advanced | 00:08 |
| penguinbait | no more ping scripts | 00:08 |
| penguinbait | If its an old AP, you might not be able to fix it | 00:08 |
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| Blastur | how significant impact does completely disabling power saving on wifi have? | 00:10 |
| JackCrow | could try openwrt if there is an image for your AP. If the manufacturer is not suporting it anymore, replacement firmware might be the way to go | 00:10 |
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| Blastur | JackCrow, im running kamikaze 7.09 | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | blastur: hmm, sometimes it just hangs | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. wifi in my n800 | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | usually when moving much data via sshfs | 00:11 |
| Blastur | hangs as in unrecoverable? | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:11 |
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| KotCzarny | i have to reconnect via systray | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | wifi only, sshfs resumes automatically | 00:12 |
| Blastur | well, the power savings trick seems to do a lot of good | 00:12 |
| lopz | bye | 00:12 |
| Blastur | i think it is confusing for other parties of the n810 goes away for a while | 00:12 |
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| zap | Unfortunately, mplayer cannot play audio without timer sync :( | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | zap: try another -ao ? | 00:13 |
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| tank-man | blastur, http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/images/very-important-piechart.png | 00:14 |
| zap | KotCzarny: -ao null, in vain | 00:14 |
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| zap | aha, -ao pcm writes to a file | 00:15 |
| Blastur | hmm, ok.. so its significant then | 00:15 |
| Blastur | what do you guys recommend as a "stable" AP for n810? | 00:15 |
| Blastur | one that can handle the aggresive power saving features | 00:15 |
| tank-man | whats the original problem? can't ping the n810? | 00:17 |
| zap | Okay, so benchmarks shows that mplayer is "only" 42% faster than gstream: 46.7s vs 32.8s | 00:17 |
| Blastur | the original problem is that the wifi connection stops working after a while (even though it says "connected" and signal strength is good) | 00:17 |
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| Blastur | and i cant browse the web on my n810 | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | zap: so it's not 100x :) | 00:18 |
| zap | um | 00:18 |
| cjohnson | Blastur, sadly, I know quite a few wireless devices that cause that. Many wireless adapters, and even many waps cause it | 00:18 |
| zap | I'd say if somebody could speedup ogg decoding by 42% by using, say, DSP, everybody would say "Yahoo!" | 00:18 |
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| Blastur | cjohnson, how do you mean? is it the n810 thats causing it, or my other wlan equipment? | 00:19 |
| JackCrow | My thinkpad was like that at school, but worked fine at home. I think you can just run into inconsistencies when mixing vendors | 00:19 |
| Blastur | cause wifi is kindof very critical to this device ;) | 00:19 |
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| tank-man | maybe your router's firmware needs updating | 00:22 |
| Blastur | maybe.. though, the router runs an opensource system called openwrt, which is pretty well maintained and active in bug fixing etc | 00:24 |
| Blastur | im gonna sleep on this ;) gnite! and thanks for your thoughts | 00:24 |
| Blastur | cya | 00:24 |
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| alech | Hi, anyone responsible for garage.maemo.org here? | 00:29 |
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| hagna | can I develop for maemo to see if I can write stuff for a nokia tablet before I actually buy one? | 00:33 |
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| NullM0dem | yes with the SDK | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | maemo sdk | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo sdk | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | bot died? | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~sdk | 00:34 |
| infobot | Software Development Kit | 00:34 |
| hagna | infobot: thanks | 00:34 |
| infobot | hagna: no problem | 00:34 |
| NullM0dem | just slow | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:34 |
| NullM0dem | bot needs tea | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | bot needs prodding | 00:34 |
| NullM0dem | sic beastie on it | 00:34 |
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| KotCzarny | 3, i win | 00:39 |
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| n800n | does maemo do alsa? | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | kind of | 00:39 |
| n800n | how come | 00:40 |
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| n800n | i mean | 00:41 |
| n800n | is it a bitch? | 00:41 |
| NullM0dem | it was a few years back on any machine | 00:41 |
| n800n | cairo works right? | 00:42 |
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| n800n | canola doesn't do gif ? | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | /join #canola ? | 00:53 |
| kenne | only if you compile efl with support for it | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | though they are after work by now | 00:53 |
| * lardman is concerned that what was nice clean code, is now messy | 00:53 | |
| KotCzarny | lardman: as long it works.. ;) | 00:53 |
| NullM0dem | noo0o | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | make many comments though | 00:54 |
| n800n | i think i've reached kot's limit of noob questions. | 00:54 |
| lardman | Well that's the big question; I have to do lots of bit shifting to handle what was a buffer of 8bit chars but it now 16bit chars | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: i just don't know :) | 00:54 |
| NullM0dem | Im guilty of noobness, i started working too much overtime and im retarded at this time.... no time for my n810 :-( | 00:54 |
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| Knirch | find a way of making the n810 part of your job | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | salesman? :> | 00:55 |
| n800n | finnish | 00:55 |
| zap | Is there a normal version of gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-osso ? It looks like the package from Nokia is very castrated, decodes only MPEG1 | 00:56 |
| zap | perhaps due to legal issues | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | zap: debian.org ? | 00:56 |
| zap | %-O | 00:56 |
| pupnik810 | i want a job crawling under secretaries desks again | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they have packages for armel | 00:56 |
| zap | will it work? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | as long it's armel, sure | 00:56 |
| NullM0dem | pupnik810:who doesent | 00:56 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't | 00:57 | |
| pupnik810 | prob is when the boxen run windos | 00:57 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.newstalk980.com/incoming/20080221/unbelievable | 00:58 |
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| pupnik810 | sounds like a typical person on irc eh | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, heh, read the whole story | 01:00 |
| NullM0dem | good story | 01:01 |
| pupnik810 | yaay for internets and computers | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | though i would like her to go somewhere else than msn | 01:03 |
| pupnik810 | she types better than most kids on youtube | 01:04 |
| n800n | hehe | 01:04 |
| pupnik810 | might be a fake story of course | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | YouTube is disturbing | 01:05 |
| n800n | i've heard of that before | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm amazed at the levels of stupidity that can be found there. | 01:05 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: you used to use Zauriii right? | 01:05 |
| lardman | Anyone fancy looking at some changes made to an SBC encoder to handle 16bit rather than 8bit chars? | 01:05 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: yes | 01:05 |
| summatusmentis | do you still? why'd you change? | 01:06 |
| pupnik810 | sbc ? | 01:06 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: larger screen, built-in wifi | 01:06 |
| lardman | ~sbc | 01:06 |
| lardman | come on infobot! | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | infobot is sloppy today | 01:06 |
| pupnik810 | sokay | 01:06 |
| lardman | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/sbc.html | 01:06 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: and has the NIT been everything your Z used to be? | 01:06 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: yes, though in the first instance I missed the software available from OE | 01:07 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: but we can now build for Maemo from OE, so that's not an issue | 01:07 |
| pupnik810 | update yer ssh btw | 01:08 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: so do you think that had you used OE for your Z, you would've kept it? | 01:08 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: The only other minor issue is that any other GUIs aren't so well developed; presumably people are partly put off by the closedness of some components | 01:08 |
| lardman | s/developed/debugged | 01:08 |
| summatusmentis | mm | 01:08 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: I did and although I still have it, I wouldn't think of going back | 01:09 |
| summatusmentis | interesting. The reason I'm interrogating you, considering switching over from my 3200 | 01:09 |
| lardman | My latest model was a c750 | 01:09 |
| lardman | the N810, with keyboard which was a major pita on the 770/n800, is ideal imho | 01:09 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, that's what I'm looking at | 01:10 |
| lardman | well, obviously things could always be better - PowerVR driver for example ;), but not too bad | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | and you've never had issues with software? | 01:10 |
| summatusmentis | applications for the NIT, etc. | 01:10 |
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| lardman | hw video accel was not as good on the cxxxx machines as on the cxxx machines, but you may take another step back | 01:11 |
| summatusmentis | video accel is bad on the N810's? | 01:11 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: I don't tend to use much, I rather tend to fiddle with things. The PIM is as good, I have anything OE will build | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | what video accel? | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:11 |
| lardman | exactly | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Non existent at the moment. | 01:12 |
| summatusmentis | lol, oh | 01:12 |
| lardman | screen is also larger, so can suffer from bandwidth issue | 01:12 |
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| summatusmentis | so.. mamona isn't a distro, instead it's just building OE stuff? or am I confused? | 01:12 |
| lardman | it might be a distro, is not compatible with the standard Maemo install | 01:13 |
| n800n | how much space would a KDE install take? | 01:13 |
| summatusmentis | mm | 01:13 |
| lardman | there is a config option to build for maemo though (in standard OE conf file) | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | More than is on the built-in flash, n800n. | 01:13 |
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| summatusmentis | lardman: interesting | 01:13 |
| n800n | i boot off sd card | 01:13 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: difficult I know | 01:14 |
| n800n | does it need its own partition or does it run inside maemo? | 01:14 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: what's difficult? I know how to use OE :) | 01:14 |
| n800n | found it | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | penguinbait's got a deb intsall up. | 01:14 |
| summatusmentis | wait.. .debs? | 01:15 |
| summatusmentis | on maemo? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It amounts to mobile-debian. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uses apt. | 01:15 |
| summatusmentis | so then, why are people putting debian on it? | 01:15 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: the decision I meant | 01:15 |
| summatusmentis | shouldn't we just be able to point it to debain ARMEL repos? | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it only amounts to mobile-debian | 01:16 |
| summatusmentis | lardman: yeah... I love my Z :) | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | it isn't actually Debian. | 01:16 |
| summatusmentis | oh | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish, summatusmentis. | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | dependency would kill you | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | and there is some breakage lurking | 01:16 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I misunderstood | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | if you replace some system packages | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | One large issue is having Busybox instead of GNUtils | 01:16 |
| pupnik810 | we must spread linux to handhelds | 01:17 |
| summatusmentis | ugh... not a fan of Busybox | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's small | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, we've only got so much space and RAM to work with. | 01:17 |
| summatusmentis | we should really just take over the world, and get rid of these stupid closed source corps | 01:17 |
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| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: 2GB for space, 128Mb ram? | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 256MB internal flash | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | 2gb if you boot off it | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 128MB RAM | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | by default it's vfat | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 2GB is a soldered-on SD card. | 01:18 |
| pupnik810 | that is a problem | 01:18 |
| summatusmentis | oh, but that's possible to boot off of? | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:18 |
| pupnik810 | yes with changes | 01:18 |
| summatusmentis | can you create a loop image to boot from? | 01:18 |
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| KotCzarny | loop? | 01:18 |
| summatusmentis | yeah, a loop-back file | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | what for? | 01:18 |
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| pupnik810 | i would suggest 2x micro sdhc for n900 with boot from sd by default | 01:19 |
| summatusmentis | so that you don't need to reformat the entire 2GB to ext2 | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | you can partition that 2gb | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Partition it. . . . | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | it's seen as regular sd card | 01:19 |
| summatusmentis | oh, hrr | 01:19 |
| summatusmentis | and then there are extra microSD ports? | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | 1 | 01:19 |
| summatusmentis | ok, that's fine | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | vs 2 regular size sd slots on n800 | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | n800 ftw! | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:20 |
| summatusmentis | the n800 didn't have 2GB though? | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | but has 2 slots | 01:20 |
| pupnik810 | CF forevah! | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | and 2gb is like 9$ | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:20 |
| summatusmentis | does the n810 have usb host? | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | unpowered | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 100mA | 01:21 |
| summatusmentis | like the Z, ok | 01:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's OTG | 01:21 |
| summatusmentis | hpw does that differ? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can switch modes with a properly grounded cable. | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | or software | 01:22 |
| summatusmentis | oh, host vs "slave"(don't know what it's called) | 01:22 |
| summatusmentis | cool | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | client | 01:22 |
| summatusmentis | that would make sense | 01:22 |
| summatusmentis | see, I don't know if the Z had that. The software seemed to think it did, but I don't know for sure | 01:23 |
| summatusmentis | how do people get around not having a tab key? | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | touchscreen | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:24 |
| pupnik810 | mapping tab to fn+space for me | 01:24 |
| summatusmentis | and one doesn't need to hold down the fn key for it to register? | 01:25 |
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| summatusmentis | like, <press>fn<release><press>space<release> | 01:25 |
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| pupnik810 | yes | 01:26 |
| MajMin7 | hey i just noticed that the N810/800 repositories at gronmayer.com/it are down | 01:26 |
| MajMin7 | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ | 01:26 |
| MajMin7 | anyone know what this is about? | 01:26 |
| summatusmentis | I'm heavily leaning towards buying an n810... anyone want a Zaurus c3200? :-D | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | try #zaurus ? | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:27 |
| MajMin7 | is there an alternate location for repositories? | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | MajMin7, his website is having trouble. | 01:27 |
| MajMin7 | yea | 01:27 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: that's a dead channel. :D | 01:27 |
| MajMin7 | this is terrible timing! | 01:27 |
| MajMin7 | has this happened before? | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been down before. | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | oh | 01:28 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, don't sell your thing | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are you after, anyway? | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | uhm | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9bJ_6VSGc | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | 95% of the stuff you need is in Extras. | 01:28 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: but... but... then i won't be able to afford the n810? | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | i need to get ssh-server and also gainroot | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | thats it | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | are they in extras? | 01:28 |
| summatusmentis | Navi: I'm going through the 'poor college student' phase of my life right now | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras and nitapps.com | 01:28 |
| MajMin7 | ohhhh | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use easyroot | 01:28 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, :P | 01:28 |
| sp3000 | pupnik810: ohh don't make me google for it | 01:29 |
| MajMin7 | ahh lifesaver | 01:29 |
| NullM0dem | summatusmentus: I love my n810 it has almost a 2week uptime :) | 01:29 |
| MajMin7 | let me try that | 01:29 |
| MajMin7 | thanks | 01:29 |
| tank-man | if you are poor, you should be looking at the n800 instead of the n810 | 01:29 |
| NullM0dem | i am poor, i saved up | 01:29 |
| pupnik810 | sry sp3000 | 01:29 |
| summatusmentis | tank-man: hardware keyboard is a must | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | bt? | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| * KotCzarny has igo ultra slim | 01:30 | |
| tank-man | usb keyboard :) | 01:30 |
| pupnik810 | bt ftw | 01:30 |
| summatusmentis | also, going to a workshop where I can get the n810 for $380 | 01:30 |
| * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ | 01:30 | |
| summatusmentis | well lah-di-dah! :) | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | and bt kb for 25$ | 01:31 |
| summatusmentis | bt kb doesn't work when you're walking around though, unless I'm not understanding what this thing looks like | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | then you can use osk | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's hard to type when you walking with hw kb too | 01:32 |
| NullM0dem | osk is decent | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
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| KotCzarny | *you are | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | "Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber." | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | - Plato, Greek philosopher (424 - 348 BC) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:33 |
| summatusmentis | is ebay down for others? | 01:33 |
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| summatusmentis | wait, fixed | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | works for me | 01:33 |
| NullM0dem | nice quote | 01:33 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: well, yeah, but easier thank a bt keyboard | 01:35 |
| sp3000 | pupnik810: s'ok ;) | 01:35 |
| * sp3000 finds /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 and wins | 01:35 | |
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| summatusmentis | hrm... | 01:36 |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: now you've gotten me all confused... I knew what I wanted, and now you've made me re-think it! | 01:36 |
| MajMin7 | hey, is it possible to copy ssh-server off of one N810 and onto another? | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | dunno, built in hwkb wins for me | 01:38 |
| pupnik810 | n810 | 01:38 |
| lardman | summatusmentis: go with built-in | 01:38 |
| pupnik810 | best for ultraportable | 01:38 |
| sp3000 | also, sun-compatible screen | 01:38 |
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| tank-man | the soft case for the n810 is better than the one included with the n800 too | 01:38 |
| pupnik810 | but bt is better if you have a table | 01:39 |
| sp3000 | onscreen fkb is fine ebough to type on, but the way it takes you out of the context of the app is annoying | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | bt is reusable | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | with a phone/laptop etc | 01:39 |
| lardman | pupnik810: full size kb & x2x or the like ;) | 01:39 |
| NullM0dem | MajMin: that would be rough, you would have to know what the deb installs and where, also need to regen your keys. Im not sure if the n810 stores the .deb you may be able to just copy theat | 01:40 |
| NullM0dem | *that | 01:40 |
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| MajMin7 | ahhhh | 01:40 |
| MajMin7 | i was afraid of that | 01:40 |
| NullM0dem | offline? | 01:40 |
| lardman | sp3000: going back and using the onscreen job on the n800 while doing some dev work is stepping back a fair few steos; for me at least | 01:40 |
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| MajMin7 | the only source I know for ssh-server is gronmayer.com. I havent found it elsewhere yet | 01:40 |
| MajMin7 | is there another source? | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras, MajMin7 . . . like I said. :\ | 01:41 |
| NullM0dem | goto extras; | 01:41 |
| MajMin7 | oh wait | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer isn't a source for anything. | 01:41 |
| MajMin7 | i over looked it maybe | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's just a list of maemo repos. | 01:41 |
| MajMin7 | ok | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | majmin: enable extras | 01:41 |
| * sp3000 sleeps | 01:41 | |
| MajMin7 | ok | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | then just install it with app-man or apt-get | 01:41 |
| MajMin7 | sorry sorry . im a bit out of it today | 01:41 |
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| MajMin7 | uhm | 01:42 |
| MajMin7 | enable extras? | 01:42 |
| MajMin7 | i dont know what that means | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | go to app-man | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open Application manager | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Tools | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap Application Catalogs... | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Edit maemo Extras | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uncheck disable | 01:43 |
| MajMin7 | oh crap | 01:43 |
| MajMin7 | i forgot about this | 01:43 |
| MajMin7 | there it is. | 01:44 |
| MajMin7 | great. | 01:44 |
| MajMin7 | thanks so much | 01:44 |
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| KotCzarny | http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/2008/02/beckhams-chines.html | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | 'now with less lead & toxins' | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | wtf? | 01:48 |
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| summatusmentis | lardman: coding w/ osk is a valid point | 01:49 |
| n800n | haha | 01:49 |
| n800n | less lead and toxins | 01:49 |
| n800n | http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/01/reject2.jpg | 01:50 |
| n800n | haha | 01:50 |
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| PhosphoricX | Hey, I'm thinking about upgrading to OS2008. Any idea how much space it takes when installed? | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | it reformats the flash | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | you can expect ~80-120mb free after that | 01:54 |
| PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: I'm just wondering if my flash is big enough, I have the default on the N800 | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | when cloned to sd card it takes ~200-360mb | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | PhosphoricX: don't worry | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | but do a backup of your stuff | 01:55 |
| PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: great thanks! | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | as the 256mb is wiped over | 01:55 |
| PhosphoricX | KotCzarny: Good to know, I surely will. | 01:55 |
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| lardman | summatusmentis: not even coding, just typing in a term - so much easier with a physical kb | 02:00 |
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| lardman | and as was said before, some apps resize their view when the on-screen keyboard is used (gnumeric for example) which is sooo annoying | 02:01 |
| lardman | late, bed time for me | 02:01 |
| lardman | night all | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: try xvkbd ? :) | 02:01 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: would be better, but still lose screen space | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | can be moved out of sight | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | and layout can be changed | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:02 |
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| lardman | if it were transparent like the kb in the original debian build for the sl5500, then perhaps :) | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:02 |
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| KotCzarny | i was thinking about it | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:02 |
| lardman | I coulnd't go back to a device without a physical kb now though | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | but i haven't found a code to do it | 02:03 |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: that was actually vnc iirc | 02:03 |
| lardman | kdrive was compiled to output as a vnc server | 02:03 |
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| lardman | anyway, night all | 02:06 |
| PhosphoricX | l8r | 02:06 |
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| KotCzarny | "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | - Robert A. Heinlein, sci-fi author (1907 - 1988) | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 02:26 |
| pupnik | good stuff | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.ecojoes.com/styrofoam-cups-vs-paper-cups/ | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | AAAAAAGHGGG i cat > instead of cat >> | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | bad cat! | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | but not as bad as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FZtmlHwcA | 02:38 |
| pupnik | at least i remember most of it | 02:38 |
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| lopz | re | 02:55 |
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| mrlanrat | Hi | 03:51 |
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| mrlanrat | what was the final flasher arguments that wont make the IT go into a reboot loop? (for diablo) | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise the watchdog will kill it when the connectivity drivers get updated. | 03:52 |
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| mrlanrat | I did that, now how do i get it to load the new image over to it? | 04:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ | 04:08 |
| mrlanrat | How do i load a new chinook image onto it in linux | 04:09 |
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| mrlanrat | iv always used the windows flasher... | 04:09 |
| Gracana | Yay, vtwm on the n800. :) | 04:09 |
| * Gracana == Grackle | 04:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have a custom kernel or initfs installed, mrlanrat? | 04:10 |
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| mrlanrat | no | 04:11 |
| mrlanrat | standerd. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, then: flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 04:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | -F points to the FIASCO image | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | -f tells it to flash it | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | -R tells it to reboot when done. | 04:12 |
| mrlanrat | so i enter that command after the 1st one? | 04:12 |
| mrlanrat | k | 04:12 |
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| ds3 | 8 | 04:18 |
| Navi | 9 | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 | 04:19 |
| Navi | 11 | 04:19 |
| mrlanrat | 12? | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | 13! | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | 800, i win | 04:19 |
| Navi | 801 | 04:19 |
| mrlanrat | that was random..... | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | too late | 04:19 |
| mrlanrat | 42!!! I win!!!! | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, this is IRC. | 04:19 |
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| Navi | Weird | 04:21 |
| Navi | thunar wasn't removed when I autoremoved xfce4 | 04:22 |
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| ds3 | has anyone seen a case in OS2008 where it suddenly reverts to a tiny font for everything? rebooting fixes it and I had no idea how it got there | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 04:27 |
| ds3 | wonder what i am doing unique as I seem to be having these odd problems (there is another one where the combine backlight/sound applet dies and suddenly things revert to the original sound/screen applets) | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, that's hildon-desktop crashing. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not adv-backlight causing it. | 04:29 |
| ds3 | Oh | 04:30 |
| ds3 | is hildon-desktop prone to crashing if things run low on memory? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It crashes sometimes under very high CPU load for me | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | or when reconnecting a bluetooth keyboard about once every ten times. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have virtual memory enabled? | 04:31 |
| ds3 | nope | 04:31 |
| ds3 | I also have a problem the osso-mail thing crashing and breaking its POP polling | 04:31 |
| Navi | osso-mail isn't recommended | 04:32 |
| Navi | modest makes a much better email client on the nits | 04:32 |
| Navi | you could go with claws-mail too if you want | 04:32 |
| Navi | Ugh | 04:33 |
| Navi | I hate the current wiki | 04:33 |
| Navi | the editing controls keep disappearing | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:34 |
| Navi | they were too low and I tried to move them up a little | 04:35 |
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| Navi | and they flew off the display area | 04:35 |
| mrlanrat | This is going to sound really weird.... | 04:35 |
| ds3 | do any of them integrate with the flashing bluelight and the icon thing on the lower left side? | 04:35 |
| mrlanrat | my n810 is talking to me | 04:35 |
| mrlanrat | i just reflashed it and i was inatalling my 1st app | 04:35 |
| mrlanrat | and it started talking | 04:35 |
| mrlanrat | it says hello something.... | 04:36 |
| mrlanrat | its hard to make out... | 04:36 |
| Navi | ds3, email? | 04:36 |
| ds3 | Navi: yeah | 04:36 |
| Navi | ds3, modest notifies you using the led, yes | 04:36 |
| ds3 | Navi: right now the blue LED flashes when I have new mail and if I am just looking at screen, the icon flashes and tapping on it gives me the subject line | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest is replacing osso-email in Diablo, ds3. | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It supports everything osso-email does. | 04:37 |
| ds3 | not thrilled with osso-mail but I like consistancy and integration more | 04:37 |
| ds3 | Oh nice | 04:37 |
| ds3 | is it in a repo or just a garage project? | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | garage for now | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | modest.garage.maemo.org | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, it's shipping with Diablo. | 04:38 |
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| ds3 | I'll look into installing it tonight | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | You install flite, mrlanrat? | 04:38 |
| mrlanrat | no | 04:38 |
| Navi | It's about as integrated as osso-mail is | 04:38 |
| ds3 | so far I am very very happy with how well integrated the rtcomm beta stuff is | 04:38 |
| Navi | mrlanrat, haha, your tablet is sentient | 04:39 |
| Navi | Hello Dave. | 04:39 |
| mrlanrat | fine! | 04:39 |
| Navi | dneary, ping | 04:39 |
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| Navi | I'd be really sad if nobody got the 2001 reference | 04:41 |
| Navi | Oh, nevermind, GeneralAntilles is here :/ | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:41 |
| ds3 | anyone other users of the rtcomm stuff here? | 04:41 |
| Navi | I had it | 04:41 |
| ds3 | had? what made you get rid of it? | 04:42 |
| Navi | a lot of people do | 04:42 |
| Navi | Oh, I reflashed and never bothered to reinstall | 04:42 |
| Navi | wow | 04:42 |
| ds3 | are there known problems? | 04:42 |
| Navi | a google search for "imap gmail claws-mail" comes up with ITT as the second hit :/ | 04:42 |
| Navi | ds3, I've never had any problem with it other than buddy icons not working for myself | 04:43 |
| Navi | I see other's icons though | 04:43 |
| ds3 | cool | 04:43 |
| ds3 | the only want it could be better is if there is a nicely integrated VPN package so I can send/receive IM's over a VPN | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | use ssh ? | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:46 |
| ds3 | got a package to restart ssh on network connect? conceptionally that is a simple dbus listen and act thing | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, while (1) do { ssh something; sleep 1; } | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:48 |
| ds3 | network changes do not always kill the process :( | 04:48 |
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| ds3 | I don't suppose there are ifup scripts? | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | i think they are | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | *there | 04:49 |
| Navi | claws is nicer than I remember it | 04:49 |
| Navi | doesn't look completely ugly anymore :P | 04:49 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, still around? | 04:49 |
| Navi | zomg, eetz johnx | 04:50 |
| johnx | behold! I leeeeeeeev! | 04:50 |
| Navi | Haha | 04:50 |
| Navi | summatusmentis: yes, I'm still around | 04:50 |
| Navi | johnx: okay, bye tyeh | 04:50 |
| Navi | s/tyeh/then/ | 04:50 |
| infobot | Navi meant: johnx: okay, bye then | 04:50 |
| johnx | that was live actually just kinda stretched out | 04:51 |
| johnx | just woke up | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | it could be also streched 'leave' | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:51 |
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| johnx | yeah, just realized that | 04:51 |
| Navi | Mmm | 04:53 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, when's your hava coming in? | 04:53 |
| Navi | johnx, openbox is nice on debian | 04:54 |
| Navi | I bound the menu to the menu key to make up for the lack of a right click | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Friday | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta talk my mother through setting it up. :< | 04:54 |
| Navi | mmk | 04:54 |
| Navi | johnx, at the moment, it's only taking up 55MB RAM/12MB swap | 04:55 |
| Navi | this is with claws mail and urxvt open | 04:55 |
| johnx | very nice | 04:56 |
| johnx | I think I'll sacrifice my menu key to the keyboard app | 04:56 |
| johnx | having it bound to center-dpad is too annoying | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | centre dpad is naturally enter | 04:57 |
| Navi | I'm going to bind F6 to it | 04:57 |
| Navi | the dpad is also enter | 04:57 |
| Navi | er | 04:57 |
| Navi | the center button of the dpad is also enter | 04:57 |
| johnx | yeah, it looks like just a quick hack | 04:57 |
| Navi | so if you hit that, the enter keyboard event will still be sent to the app | 04:58 |
| Gracana | Hey johnx, I have vtwm running on debian. I ended up using your tarball.. Getting it going from scratch was beginning to take more effort than I wanted to put in. | 04:58 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: yep, what's up? | 04:58 |
| Gracana | Anyway, I only see a couple fonts. Any idea how I would get more fonts to be recognized? | 04:58 |
| johnx | ah, I just saw you pinged me...then I read the rest of the discussion. any more questions? | 04:58 |
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| Navi | claws mail tiny screen mode is pretty useful | 04:59 |
| johnx | Gracana, I think debian uses defoma for font management ... but I was always kind of fuzzy on that subject myself | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | johnx: well, what's you take on N810 vs. Z 3200? | 04:59 |
| summatusmentis | your* | 04:59 |
| johnx | well I have an N800 and a C1000...but the N810 is noticeably more powerful and 128MB of RAM is nice to have | 05:00 |
| johnx | plus not having a wireless card sticking out the side... | 05:00 |
| johnx | N810 more powerful than a Z...the N810 and N800 are equally as fast of course | 05:01 |
| summatusmentis | that's partially the reason I'm considering switching | 05:01 |
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| summatusmentis | I'm not sure how much ram my 3200 has | 05:01 |
| johnx | 64MB | 05:01 |
| Navi | :D | 05:02 |
| johnx | what are you mainly interested in doing with it? | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Is there anything your Z did that you wish your N8x0 did? | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | Mostly web/email/IM/irc | 05:02 |
| Gracana | johnx, do you see many fonts in your font selection dialog? It seems that I have vastly less fonts once I got rid of xfce | 05:02 |
| summatusmentis | but I want to have a terminal, and I want ssh | 05:02 |
| Navi | Gracana, install fonts from the repos | 05:02 |
| Navi | when you removed xfce4, you removed the ones it installed as well :P | 05:03 |
| summatusmentis | gotta head out, bbl | 05:03 |
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| Navi | heh | 05:03 |
| Gracana | Navi, do you know this for a fact? | 05:03 |
| Gracana | Because I don't think I did. | 05:03 |
| * Gracana looks at logs | 05:03 | |
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| Navi | obconf is really heavy :/ | 05:04 |
| Navi | Gracana, actually, nevermind | 05:04 |
| Navi | My fonts are still all installed | 05:05 |
| johnx | summatusmentis, an N810 is probably worth it. Web browsing on a z will never be that great simply because of memory | 05:05 |
| Navi | which reminds me | 05:05 |
| Gracana | hmm Navi | 05:05 |
| Navi | We should try to get fennec working | 05:05 |
| Gracana | I think xfce just knows something that my session doesn't | 05:06 |
| Navi | ? | 05:06 |
| Gracana | That is, xfce knows where my fonts are. | 05:06 |
| Gracana | And vtwm/rxvt don't | 05:06 |
| Gracana | ROXTerm can find fonts. | 05:08 |
| Navi | :P | 05:08 |
| Gracana | Yeah, there they all are. Hmm. | 05:08 |
| johnx | run xlsftonts | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | xlsfonts usually doesn't know about freetype fonts | 05:10 |
| Gracana | kaboom | 05:10 |
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| Gracana | all my windows disappeared and I'm staring at an empty root window and can't move my cursor :P | 05:10 |
| * Gracana tries to ssh in | 05:10 | |
| johnx | O_o | 05:10 |
| Gracana | Nogo. | 05:10 |
| Gracana | Ah, it shut down completely. | 05:10 |
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| Navi | heh | 05:12 |
| Gracana | Aw, it booted but didn't like my .xsession | 05:13 |
| * Gracana boots from flash to fix things | 05:13 | |
| Navi | :P | 05:13 |
| Gracana | Blinking d-pad light and it shut down o.o | 05:13 |
| Navi | Does rxvt itself even support freetype fonts? | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:14 |
| johnx | dunno...on my desktop I use rxvt-unicode but that's kind heavy | 05:14 |
| Navi | Heh | 05:14 |
| Navi | I'm using rxvt-unicode right now :P | 05:14 |
| Gracana | Wow, this thing sure is fucked. :X | 05:15 |
| Navi | urxvtd and urxvtc is great | 05:15 |
| * Gracana notices charger not connected | 05:15 | |
| Gracana | I wonder if that has anything to do with it. | 05:15 |
| Gracana | Seems unlikely. | 05:15 |
| Navi | might be out of power :P | 05:15 |
| Gracana | I hope that's all. | 05:16 |
| johnx | Navi, when yours shut down from "out of power" in debian what did it do? | 05:16 |
| Navi | blink out | 05:16 |
| Gracana | I have been dicking around with it for a while | 05:16 |
| johnx | no blue light? | 05:16 |
| Navi | nope | 05:16 |
| Navi | at least, not that I remember | 05:16 |
| * johnx eats breakfast (back in a bit) | 05:17 | |
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| KotCzarny | "When angry, count to four. When very angry, swear." | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | - Mark Twain, humorist and author (1835 - 1910) | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
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| Gracana | johnx, did you make xfce do anything out of the ordinary when it started? | 05:28 |
| Gracana | Something that other window managers might need to do? | 05:28 |
| Gracana | Erm, nevermind, it seems to have worked. | 05:29 |
| Gracana | aside from needing to run xsetroot | 05:29 |
| Navi | :P | 05:32 |
| Navi | hmm | 05:32 |
| Gracana | Hmm. Booted up and I see a white screen. Taps register (I hear sound), but there are no graphics. I've heard of this problem before. | 05:33 |
| Navi | ew | 05:33 |
| Navi | johnx, you should consider switching to a wm as a default | 05:34 |
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| Gracana | It's not the WSOD, because other graphics do show up. Just a strange problem. | 05:35 |
| Navi | heh | 05:35 |
| Navi | johnx, could you build transset for me? | 05:35 |
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| KotCzarny | with wsod you won't be seeing initial 'nokia' logo | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:36 |
| Gracana | Does anyone else have the problem where the charging screen comes up after they've made a bootloader selection? | 05:36 |
| Navi | The reasons for not doing it myself is not so great | 05:36 |
| Navi | I don't see it as a problem | 05:37 |
| Gracana | But you do see it? | 05:37 |
| Navi | yes | 05:37 |
| Gracana | Okay. | 05:37 |
| Gracana | I seem to have lost keyboard control. | 05:38 |
| * Gracana having all sorts of fun | 05:38 | |
| Gracana | Are there any modules I should have loaded to use a usb keyboard? | 05:39 |
| mrlanrat | no | 05:41 |
| mrlanrat | its all built in :) | 05:41 |
| Gracana | crap :/ | 05:41 |
| mrlanrat | y? | 05:41 |
| Gracana | I don't suppose I could damage my device by attaching it to my computer while it's in host mode.. | 05:41 |
| Navi | poor Gracana | 05:43 |
| * Gracana plugged in the wrong cable | 05:43 | |
| Navi | lmao | 05:43 |
| mrlanrat | hmm | 05:43 |
| Gracana | Navi, I'm not so sure that's the problem though. | 05:43 |
| mrlanrat | I just found an easter egg in OS 2008 | 05:43 |
| Navi | ZOMG | 05:43 |
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| KotCzarny | easter egg or a bug? | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:44 |
| Gracana | easter-bug | 05:44 |
| mrlanrat | egg | 05:45 |
| mrlanrat | this is most defenetly an egg. | 05:45 |
| mrlanrat | ;) | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | 'definitely' | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:45 |
| mrlanrat | :( | 05:45 |
| Gracana | Okay, now this sure is weird. *hits power button and shutdown dialog comes up* | 05:45 |
| mrlanrat | yha, what he said | 05:45 |
| Gracana | But I still have the white background. | 05:45 |
| mrlanrat | hmm.... | 05:46 |
| mrlanrat | recreating this egg is difficult.... | 05:46 |
| penguinbait | mrlanrat, did you install the boot from sd deb? | 05:46 |
| mrlanrat | but id now done it sevral times... | 05:46 |
| mrlanrat | yes | 05:46 |
| penguinbait | any problems? | 05:46 |
| mrlanrat | u know what im talking about? | 05:47 |
| mrlanrat | well, my N810 started talking to me.... | 05:47 |
| penguinbait | its from the boot from SD deb | 05:47 |
| mrlanrat | why did u put that in there? | 05:47 |
| penguinbait | My name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux, Linux | 05:47 |
| mrlanrat | http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/media/saylinux.avi | 05:47 |
| mrlanrat | yha | 05:48 |
| mrlanrat | that | 05:48 |
| penguinbait | I wanted play a wav for notification | 05:48 |
| mrlanrat | o, i thought it was an egg... | 05:48 |
| penguinbait | so I used that one, I used to hear it on RedHat all the time | 05:48 |
| mrlanrat | nice.... | 05:48 |
| mrlanrat | there is only 1 problem..... | 05:49 |
| penguinbait | after installing the boot from SD deb, if you boot to flash, it will search for ext2 partitions on /dev/mmcblkXp2 and fsck them | 05:49 |
| penguinbait | it plays a wav when complete | 05:49 |
| mrlanrat | i still hear it even after i have removed my sd card, reflashed my N810, and booted off flash.... | 05:49 |
| penguinbait | No you dont | 05:50 |
| penguinbait | if you reflashed its gone | 05:50 |
| mrlanrat | well, my sd card is on my desk right now and everytime i boot i hear it. | 05:50 |
| mrlanrat | let me try again.... | 05:51 |
| penguinbait | so you have my deb installed right | 05:51 |
| mrlanrat | yha | 05:51 |
| penguinbait | then it will play that wav when you boot to flash | 05:51 |
| mrlanrat | o | 05:51 |
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| mrlanrat | I thought u meant only to SD. | 05:52 |
| penguinbait | even if no SD cards are inserted | 05:52 |
| mrlanrat | o | 05:52 |
| penguinbait | you cannot fsck a filesystem that is running | 05:52 |
| mrlanrat | ok | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | panguinbait: maybe you have booted to flash by mistake and did some changes while there? | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | and didn't noticed the mishap? | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:53 |
| penguinbait | so after any crash while running from SD, you should boot to flash, and it will fsck the filesystems on the SD card and play a wav when complete | 05:53 |
| mrlanrat | ok | 05:54 |
| penguinbait | even if you uninstall my deb, that will stay :) | 05:54 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 05:54 |
| mrlanrat | i noticed..... | 05:55 |
| mrlanrat | any way to remove it? | 05:55 |
| penguinbait | you can remove it if you like | 05:55 |
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| penguinbait | rm -rf /root/.linus/ | 05:55 |
| mrlanrat | i use my n810 in school a lot, random sounds are not good. | 05:55 |
| penguinbait | also you can cat /tmp/fsck.txt to see fsck info | 05:55 |
| penguinbait | while in flash of course | 05:56 |
| penguinbait | its only on boot | 05:56 |
| penguinbait | one time | 05:56 |
| penguinbait | and only boot to flash | 05:56 |
| mrlanrat | k | 05:56 |
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| penguinbait | like I said you can remove the wav file | 05:57 |
| mrlanrat | yha, i will | 05:57 |
| mrlanrat | but it was funny. | 05:57 |
| penguinbait | then you could just watch /tmp/fsck.txt if you want to see if fsck is finished | 05:57 |
| mrlanrat | k | 05:57 |
| johnx | Navi, which WM do you think? | 05:57 |
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| Navi | johnx, E17? :D | 05:58 |
| penguinbait | xfce 4.4.2 | 05:58 |
| Navi | Bleh | 05:58 |
| johnx | penguinbait, heh...I'm already doing that | 05:58 |
| johnx | *I* like it, it is kinda heavy | 05:58 |
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| penguinbait | hahaha | 05:58 |
| penguinbait | heavy? | 05:58 |
| penguinbait | its like nothing on mine? | 05:58 |
| Navi | :P | 05:58 |
| johnx | too much memory usage compared to *box | 05:59 |
| johnx | or icewm or fvwm | 05:59 |
| penguinbait | XFCE is pretty configurable though,without too much effort | 05:59 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:00 |
| johnx | that's why I included it | 06:00 |
| Gracana | The N800 and 770 use the same battery, right? | 06:03 |
| Navi | Yeah | 06:03 |
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| Gracana | Cool, I've got a spare then. | 06:04 |
| Gracana | Oh, phew, host mode works. | 06:05 |
| Gracana | At first it wasn't going. :X | 06:06 |
| * Gracana clicked frantically | 06:06 | |
| Gracana | back to debian | 06:06 |
| Gracana | Hrm, I need to re-install the boot menu, don't I.. | 06:08 |
| johnx | hmm? how did you get to debian without boot menu? | 06:09 |
| Gracana | I didn't. | 06:10 |
| Gracana | Re-flashing overwrites some pieces though | 06:10 |
| Gracana | So I need to re-install it | 06:10 |
| johnx | aaah...I misunderstood "back to debian" | 06:10 |
| johnx | hah...speaking of which...I just made my copy of debian unbootable :D | 06:11 |
| Gracana | Oh, right, I was attempting. :P | 06:11 |
| Gracana | Whoops, what did you do? | 06:11 |
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| johnx | I think I put something in rc.local that didn't return :( | 06:12 |
| Gracana | oh hehe | 06:12 |
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| Navi | Is it just me or does the matchbox keyboard set itself as a dock? | 06:14 |
| Navi | resizes all of my maximized windows | 06:14 |
| johnx | it sets strange window properties | 06:14 |
| johnx | it works best with matchbox wm of course :) | 06:14 |
| Navi | I wish it set itself on the bottom | 06:14 |
| Navi | the top is retarded | 06:14 |
| johnx | devilspie | 06:14 |
| Navi | nah | 06:15 |
| Navi | it's pushing all of my windows down | 06:15 |
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| Navi | I'll show you in a sec | 06:15 |
| johnx | aaah...top of the screen or top of the stack? | 06:16 |
| Navi | top of the screen | 06:16 |
| johnx | ok | 06:17 |
| johnx | well, the answer is still devilspie | 06:17 |
| Navi | just give me a second. | 06:17 |
| johnx | sure | 06:17 |
| Navi | http://www.xenf.net/images/matchbox-keyboard-fullscreen.png | 06:18 |
| Navi | note that GNOME ALSA Mixer is maximized | 06:18 |
| Navi | It does that to all of the maximized apps when it's opened | 06:19 |
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| johnx | waiting for the screenshot to load... | 06:19 |
| Navi | :/ | 06:20 |
| Navi | it's responding to pings all right | 06:20 |
| Navi | wonder why it's so slow | 06:20 |
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| johnx | dunno | 06:21 |
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| Navi | This is an example of why you shouldn't go with bluehost :P | 06:21 |
| johnx | aah | 06:21 |
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| johnx | yeah I think I'll just pay personalsites more money and have them up my bandwidth | 06:21 |
| Navi | Are they a reseller? | 06:22 |
| johnx | nah | 06:22 |
| Navi | VPS? | 06:22 |
| johnx | they just offer nice small plans | 06:22 |
| johnx | hmm? VPS? | 06:22 |
| Navi | http://www.eukhost.com/web-hosting/kb/difference-between-shared-and-vps/ | 06:23 |
| Navi | shared hosting is all right for small sites | 06:24 |
| johnx | yeah, this is shared I think | 06:24 |
| Navi | wow, that link tells you nothing | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | i think the vps is a virtual machine | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | that even gives you root sometimes | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | and shared is just.. shared | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:25 |
| johnx | yeah, Navi, it's trying to sell me on why vps is better than dedicated... | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | with account in /home/user | 06:25 |
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| Navi | still not loading? | 06:26 |
| Navi | bleh, I can't use photobucket anymore | 06:27 |
| johnx | yeah, they've gone downhill :/ | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | TCP connection to 'www.xenf.net' failed: Connection reset by peer. | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:27 |
| Navi | Not only that, but I can't get it to work anymore. | 06:27 |
| johnx | I have to use their "old upload method" or whatever | 06:27 |
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| Navi | Yeah | 06:28 |
| Navi | but that still doesn't work for me :/ | 06:28 |
| johnx | bummer | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | just run httpd on your pc/laptop ? | 06:28 |
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| KotCzarny | or n800 | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:28 |
| johnx | the one thing about personalsites is they spam the hell out of you when you're above 80% of your transfer limit ("Someone downloaded another 100K from your site! OMG!") | 06:29 |
| Navi | Lol | 06:30 |
| johnx | accepted... | 06:33 |
| Navi | bleh, I'll just throw it at imageshack | 06:34 |
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| Navi | johnx, http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matchboxkeyboardfullscrmm0.png | 06:37 |
| Navi | http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matchboxkeyboardfullscrmm0.png <- direct link | 06:37 |
| johnx | yeah, would be better on the bottom | 06:37 |
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| Navi | also | 06:40 |
| Navi | nevermind | 06:41 |
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| Navi | johnx, get an mplayer build running? | 06:43 |
| johnx | you mean a serge/ssvb release? | 06:43 |
| Navi | yeah | 06:43 |
| johnx | nah | 06:43 |
| Navi | :( | 06:43 |
| johnx | I think I'll do an xserver build with dpms first | 06:43 |
| Navi | mmk | 06:44 |
| johnx | ...but that will have to wait til I get back from work. | 06:47 |
| johnx | 'later | 06:48 |
| Gracana | Okay, N800 all back in working order. xlsfonts shows all of six fonts :P | 06:48 |
| Gracana | cya johnx | 06:48 |
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| ds3 | wheeee just installed modest | 06:49 |
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| Gracana | What's that do, screen rotation? | 06:50 |
| ds3 | what's what do? | 06:50 |
| Gracana | oh I read that as modeset | 06:50 |
| dmsuperman | I keep getting an error about a package not fully installed, and every time I do a sudo apt-get install or anything then the process ends with this: http://pastebin.com/m36b7ad66 | 06:50 |
| ds3 | oh :) that is a mail client | 06:51 |
| Gracana | right *remembers* | 06:51 |
| Gracana | Any other errors, dmsuperman? | 06:51 |
| dmsuperman | Gracana, none | 06:52 |
| dmsuperman | Gracana, sorry | 06:52 |
| dmsuperman | I misread, let me just pastebin the whole process | 06:52 |
| Gracana | k | 06:52 |
| dmsuperman | http://pastebin.com/m78d9a6fa | 06:52 |
| dmsuperman | That's it | 06:52 |
| Gracana | strange | 06:54 |
| Gracana | I don't really know what to tell you, perhaps someone who knows what's going on/has time to look into it can help | 06:54 |
| dmsuperman | darn | 06:55 |
| dmsuperman | Thanks anyway | 06:55 |
| Gracana | :/ | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try purging the package? | 06:56 |
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| dmsuperman | which package? | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | portmap? | 07:00 |
| dmsuperman | nope :( | 07:01 |
| dmsuperman | It thew the same error as I was purging it | 07:02 |
| dmsuperman | Then again as I reinstalled it | 07:02 |
| dmsuperman | then again as I tried to install another patckage | 07:03 |
| dmsuperman | package* | 07:03 |
| dmsuperman | It's really odd | 07:06 |
| dmsuperman | It's saying that it's not a symlink, dangling symlink | 07:06 |
| Gracana | Do you need portmap? Does something require it? | 07:06 |
| dmsuperman | apt-get install tries to run it | 07:06 |
| dmsuperman | anytime I do apt-get install ANYTHING it ends with that error | 07:07 |
| Gracana | oh I see | 07:07 |
| Gracana | Ahah. | 07:08 |
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| Gracana | xfsinfo: no font server defined | 07:08 |
| Gracana | This could be why I see only six fonts. | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | no | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's because xserver is compiled without external fonts | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | ie. it has builtin fonts | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't look anywhere else | 07:09 |
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| KotCzarny | gtk apps use freetype lib for font rendering | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | which is independent of xserver font management | 07:10 |
| Gracana | Oh. So is there any way to fix that? | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | recompile xserver? | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:13 |
| Navi | dmsuperman, apt-get -f install | 07:13 |
| Gracana | Are all the pieces necessary to recompile Xomap open source? | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | gracana: yes | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | it recompiles nicely with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| Navi | Gracana, leave a message for johnx | 07:14 |
| Gracana | oh good | 07:14 |
| Navi | He's going to recompile Xomap when he gets back from work | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | but beware that if you fail to configure it properly on tablet it will haunt you with reboots | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | (watchdog) | 07:14 |
| Gracana | Well I might as well try to do it myself | 07:14 |
| Navi | mmk | 07:14 |
| Gracana | KotCzarny, I think I'll try to grab the source package and modify only what I need. Does that sound reasonable? | 07:15 |
| dmsuperman | this is retarded, how can i be the only person in the world with this error | 07:15 |
| Navi | dmsuperman, apt-get -f install | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | gracena: apt-get source xserver | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 07:15 |
| Gracana | ah ok | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | then hack debian/rules in resultant dir and then fakeroot line i have mentioned before | 07:16 |
| dmsuperman | Navi, http://pastebin.com/m1d81a124 | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | and you will get shiny new .deb file :) | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | hopefully | 07:16 |
| Navi | broken portmap package | 07:17 |
| dmsuperman | Navi, I did apt-get remove --purge portmap | 07:17 |
| Gracana | wow, the air coming out of my graphics card is hot | 07:17 |
| dmsuperman | and then reinstalled it | 07:17 |
| dmsuperman | still no good | 07:17 |
| Navi | just remove whatever depends on it | 07:18 |
| Gracana | 65C, I guess that makes sense. That's not too hot. | 07:18 |
| Navi | I'd worry if it's cool air coming out :P | 07:18 |
| Navi | was coming | 07:19 |
| Navi | after some use that is | 07:19 |
| dmsuperman | Navi, I can't, when I try to apt-get remove --purge portmap | 07:19 |
| dmsuperman | I get that same error | 07:19 |
| Gracana | I guess it makes sense. The thing can draw up to 350W or so | 07:19 |
| dmsuperman | It's preventing me from executing any apt-get commands | 07:19 |
| * Gracana has a pair of 8800GTSs :X | 07:20 | |
| Navi | is portmap installed? | 07:20 |
| Navi | dpkg -R portmap | 07:20 |
| Gracana | The second one is currently doing nothing. *uses dual monitors (and therefore no SLI) in linux* | 07:20 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:20 |
| Navi | waste of a card | 07:21 |
| Navi | you should give it to me for free | 07:21 |
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| dmsuperman | Navi, again, it tries to invoke portmap during the process, so it bombs | 07:21 |
| Gracana | Hmm, you can have my geforce 4mx with factory installed heatsink that doesn't seat properly | 07:21 |
| Gracana | what a shitty card | 07:21 |
| Navi | heh | 07:21 |
| Navi | That'd still be an improvement over an intel chipset :P | 07:22 |
| Gracana | It has a tiny passive heatsink that is held on loosely by two little spring nubs, and it sits on the die at an angle | 07:22 |
| Navi | Well, not counting the newer ones | 07:22 |
| Gracana | It is highly unreliable | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | just get one with passive cooling | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| Navi | pfft | 07:22 |
| Navi | My University lists POP3 and IMAP as unsupported methods | 07:23 |
| Gracana | wtf /is/ supported? | 07:23 |
| Navi | the "supported" methods are Outlook Web Access, MS Outlook, and MS Entourage | 07:23 |
| Gracana | *hork* | 07:23 |
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| Navi | Meaning they only support MS Exchange | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what would happen if suddenly m$ died | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:24 |
| dmsuperman | screw it i'm just going to reflash it again | 07:24 |
| Gracana | I need some cereals. *goes off to hunt some cheeriobeasts* | 07:24 |
| Navi | The OIT here is very MS-centric | 07:24 |
| Navi | But the CSE department professors all run Linux or OS X | 07:25 |
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| dmsuperman | is this channel logged? | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 07:40 |
| Navi | yes | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | !topic | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~topic | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | pm | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | fail. | 07:40 |
| dmsuperman | lol | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | try /topic | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any, this link, dmsuperman: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 07:42 |
| dmsuperman | thanks :D | 07:42 |
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| dmsuperman | Alright, maybe it's my hardware now. I just got this n800 monday, and I just now reflashed it not 10 minutes ago | 07:45 |
| dmsuperman | I'm in the application manager, and randomly it seems, after installing an app the manager will just close | 07:45 |
| dmsuperman | is that normal? | 07:45 |
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| Gracana | Mine doesn't do that. What happens when you install from the terminal? | 07:46 |
| dmsuperman | haven't tried yet | 07:47 |
| dmsuperman | the app installs | 07:47 |
| dmsuperman | just that the app manager closes afterward, and only randomly | 07:47 |
| dmsuperman | every few apps | 07:47 |
| Navi | heh | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bug | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fixed in Diablo. | 07:49 |
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| dmsuperman | Diablo? | 07:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Next OS2008 release. | 07:51 |
| dmsuperman | ah | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 was Bora | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008/maemo 4.0 is Chinook | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008/maemo 4.1 is Diablo | 07:52 |
| dmsuperman | ah | 07:52 |
| dmsuperman | is there somewhere that lists the new features or changes? | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a news article on the front page of ITT which covers it a bit. | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly it's a bugfix release. | 07:53 |
| dmsuperman | that's cool though | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Biggest thing is SSU (Seamless Software Update) | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means Nokia'll be pushing system updates over the air | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | instead of with FIASCO images. | 07:53 |
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| jitu3485 | Can somebody please help me to know how maemo-mapper is displaying maps | 07:57 |
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| jitu3485 | downloading everytime or storing a high resolution map on device and using it | 07:57 |
| jitu3485 | alyough it takes a lot of memory? | 07:57 |
| ameng | Does n810 support YUV at hardware level? | 07:58 |
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| summatusmentis | johnx: didn't mean to skip out on you earlier, my GF called, said she was outside | 08:06 |
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| summatusmentis | I suppose he went to work | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | A 23 year old Canadian college student was killed when a crashing helicopter struck and dragged him as he was walking to his mailbox. | 08:11 |
| Navi | summatusmentis, yeah, he went to work. | 08:11 |
| summatusmentis | fair enough | 08:13 |
| pupnik | ameng: yes | 08:14 |
| summatusmentis | I'm wondering if I can scrounge up ~$400 for the n810 | 08:18 |
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| dmsuperman | I'm trying to install erminig for gpe-calendar, only apt-get install python2.5-gtk can't find the package | 08:20 |
| dmsuperman | any idea what repo it's in? | 08:20 |
| pupnik | is gronmayer.com/it back up? | 08:21 |
| pupnik | gronmayer.de/it whatever | 08:21 |
| Navi | pupnik, looks like it | 08:21 |
| Navi | nevermind | 08:21 |
| Navi | still erroring out | 08:21 |
| Navi | curl is borken :/ | 08:22 |
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| n800n | what is the theme with the smallest font? | 08:33 |
| pupnik | 12 or 14 point fonts are avail afaik | 08:35 |
| lopz | night | 08:35 |
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| summatusmentis | rwhitby`: do like, half of the oe devs have NITs also? | 08:48 |
| Gracana | Huzzah. I have a shitload of X fonts now. | 08:48 |
| rwhitby` | summatusmentis: probably | 08:48 |
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| Gracana | KotCzarny, the X server I compiled is a lot slower. :| | 08:48 |
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| summatusmentis | rwhitby`: fair enough. I wish I had that much expendable income | 08:49 |
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| rwhitby` | summatusmentis: some of the devs (not me) got them on the Nokia developer program. | 08:51 |
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| summatusmentis | rwhitby`: oh, I guess that would make some sense. You just have it because you love embedded linux devices so much, huh? | 08:52 |
| rwhitby` | I got it for portable voip. | 08:54 |
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| summatusmentis | mm, makes sense. Works well? | 08:55 |
| rwhitby` | yep | 08:55 |
| orakle | hey. I have a 770 that I don't know what to do with.. how can I make this thing useful? | 08:55 |
| orakle | I haven't touched it in months | 08:55 |
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| orakle | can I run OS2008 on it? | 08:55 |
| orakle | Right now I have a 2GB sd card in it.. and if I remember right I have OS2007HE on the 2gb card and it boots from it | 08:56 |
| orakle | or.. RS-MMC rather.. not SD. | 08:56 |
| orakle | can I use this thing for voip reliably? | 08:57 |
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| orakle | Is there a faster OS that I can run on it? | 09:03 |
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| term-sig | it's any how-to install Diablo on 810? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITT wiki | 09:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You just need a partition to untar it into. | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | Diablo or Debian ;) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | is it released already? | 09:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right, Diablo | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | nevermind then. | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | term-sig, Check the big forum thread. The methods are longer than before though. | 09:24 |
| qwerty12 | Actually Maba told me a way it works with chinook apt-get, you just have to add the password to the repo line in sources.list. | 09:25 |
| term-sig | qwerty12: i`m just trying.. but its over 50 pages.. ;/ | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | term-sig, all things considered, it's probably not worth the effort. ;) | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | There really isn't anything very exciting. | 09:26 |
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| KotCzarny | and eats your battery like hell | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:27 |
| term-sig | then fuck it. ;> | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | Like GeneralAntilles says, nothing new really. The only thing I <3 is the finger recognition thing actually working. MicroB is worse in DIablo than chinook. | 09:27 |
| qwerty12 | term-sig, PLEASE! I'm not desperate :p | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the current MicroB build is still very buggy. | 09:28 |
| term-sig | but i`m ;P | 09:28 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 09:28 |
| qwerty12 | To those who backed up the diablo folder the first time round before the update, make sure you keep it ;) | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:32 |
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| qwerty12 | They've removed FTD for sure, I'm not sure if anything else is gone yet. :) | 09:33 |
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| KotCzarny | they killed ftd, those bastards! | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | thanks for warning | 09:33 |
| Navi | heh | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | but i would keep it safe anyway | 09:33 |
| qwerty12 | lol. you touch ftd. mafia touch you | 09:33 |
| RST38h | New Diablo release? | 09:33 |
| qwerty12 | np | 09:33 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, an update was available via SSU a ~few days ago | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if it's copyrighted etc | 09:34 |
| RST38h | Oh that | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | Lets do a thing like that hd-dvd key thing. Who's gonna go first to uuencode their folder :p | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | actually only ftd is worth uuencoding | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | the rest would be available anyway i think | 09:35 |
| trickie_ | damn, wish i grabbed ftd when i could have | 09:36 |
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| * RST38h knew and warned about ftpd ;) | 09:38 | |
| RST38h | ftd, sorry | 09:38 |
| qwerty12 | I've been warning people against STD :p | 09:39 |
| qwerty12 | They are very expensive phone calls to make. | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | std? | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | who has std? | 09:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: have been passing the word? =) | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | word and something extra.. | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | No not me :P | 09:42 |
| RST38h | BTW, Ubuntu powertop utility is cool | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's not ubuntu | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's intel :P | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h , you can compile it for N8*0 but getting the kernel to work for it is fun... | 09:42 |
| RST38h | Kot: http://www.lyricsdir.com/tom-lehrer-i-got-it-from-agnes-lyrics.html | 09:42 |
| * RST38h tried to hide his marketing plot but wasn't successful ;) | 09:43 | |
| Gracana | http://nyus.joshuawise.com/upload/data/N800_Debian_vtwm.png woot! | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.sweetslyrics.com/518278.DR.%20EVIL%20-%20No%20STD.html | 09:43 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If I understand things correctly, it is Intel specific | 09:43 |
| RST38h | Stuff it shows is definitely Intel specific | 09:43 |
| Gracana | having a large virtual desktop like that is very nice on this tablet | 09:43 |
| * Gracana opens up windows willy-nilly and just moves the viewport over them | 09:44 | |
| KotCzarny | rst: but works using linux kernel stats | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | works on another cpus too | 09:44 |
| RST38h | Actually, finger-dragged virt desktop should rule on N8x0 ;) | 09:44 |
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| qwerty12 | I like emjayes work on lockable desktop applets and switchable sets of applets. | 09:45 |
| RST38h | Cool^2 | 09:45 |
| RST38h | switchable sets - probably not needed unless there is a natural way to switch 'em | 09:45 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, the desktop is too small. | 09:46 |
| RST38h | like tapping screen edges to slide out the next set | 09:46 |
| RST38h | btw, any progress on Conky? =) | 09:46 |
| summatusmentis | I wish gronmayer would come back up, that might be the final straw to make me purchase, if I can tell what software is available | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | No, I've given up until I actually pick up a programming book of some sort :/ . Real coding is out of my depth :/ | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | downloads.maemo.org summatusmentis | 09:47 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: oh... hrm | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, don't bother with a book. :P | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internet is your book. | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, ok, <loads up favourite warez ebookz site :P> | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't even need that | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Python and C tutorials are all over the place for free. ;) | 09:49 |
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| qwerty12 | But where is the fun in getting something for free! :p. Nah, thanks for that, I'll take a look :) | 09:49 |
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| Gracana | Oh, hey KotCzarny, I don't know if you heard me mention that I got X compiled.. Anyway, it's a lot slower now. Do you think external font support did that? | 09:50 |
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| qwerty12 | If you don't mind me asking, how can it be slow with that desktop? | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | gracana: how did you compiled it? | 09:53 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: is that all software available? | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 09:55 |
| Gracana | apt-get source xserver-xomap, removed --enable-builtin-fonts from the control file, fakeroot debian/rules binary | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | gracana, interesting | 09:55 |
| Gracana | Yeah. | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | try compiling with that switch | 09:56 |
| Gracana | It is acting as its own font server, isn't it? | 09:56 |
| Gracana | When I compile it with that switch, it's builtin fonts only | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | and if you can observer the same effect | 09:56 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: does a terminal come native? | 09:56 |
| Gracana | oh, right | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 09:56 |
| Gracana | I'll give that a shot | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | but i wonder if they use some tricks when compiling etc. | 09:56 |
| Gracana | Actually, I'm going to sleep right now. I should have gone to bed three hours ago. This is good progress though. *makes note to try a vanilla compilation tomorrow* | 09:57 |
| summatusmentis | alright. Now it's just a matter of whether or not I can justify spending the money. Thanks GeneralAntilles | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | <whisper>N800</whisper> | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | gracana, please let me know about the result | 09:58 |
| * Gracana notes that too | 09:58 | |
| qwerty12 | summatusmentis, http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:mAdi-wbl9NQJ:www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php%3Flang%3Den%26system%3Dmaemo4+gronmayer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a | 09:58 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: a thumb board is almost crucial for me | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably not as crucial as you think. | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | summatusmentis: can you try it at store? | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's certainly not worth $200 | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | or something? | 09:59 |
| kulve | Gracana: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS affects the building. You can select either VFP or thumb with it. Dunno which one is used by Nokia when building the official version. | 09:59 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: well, I suppose | 09:59 |
| summatusmentis | GeneralAntilles: I've gotten used to my Z thumb board | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm used to a real keyboard. ;) | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: do you know what DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are used by maemo builders? | 10:00 |
| Gracana | thanks for the tip, kulve, that sounds like useful information | 10:00 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: no | 10:00 |
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| KotCzarny | kulve: that's a nice question to have answered, if you spot maemo devs :) | 10:01 |
| kulve | Stone could probably answer that | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | does he do irc? | 10:01 |
| kulve | I think not | 10:01 |
| summatusmentis | well, I'll think on it, but I'm most likely(if I can find money) to get teh N810 | 10:01 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: but he's on the mailing lists | 10:01 |
| kulve | * Add VFP support (fixes: NB#61340). | 10:02 |
| kulve | * Don't use thumb when also using VFP. | 10:02 |
| kulve | those could indicate that they are using VFP, but who knows.. | 10:03 |
| KotCzarny | so that's a yes for vfp in opts | 10:03 |
| KotCzarny | i think comparing binary sized could give a hint | 10:03 |
| KotCzarny | *sizes | 10:03 |
| kulve | yes, most likely | 10:03 |
| kulve | the size difference with thumb is easily noticed | 10:04 |
| summatusmentis | goodnight all | 10:04 |
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| ds3 | for OS2008, did Nokia reduce or strip down the SSL support? | 10:04 |
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| ds3 | can't seem to get jabber to work to a private server and the server is complaining about ciphers as if they were removed in OS2008 | 10:05 |
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| starkmjolk | guessing channel names ftw, lo ppl :) | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | lo starkmjolk | 10:59 |
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| starkmjolk | lo Jaffa | 11:00 |
| starkmjolk | I ordered a n810 this week, will be some time before it arrives though :) | 11:00 |
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| aquatix | starkmjolk: start looking forward already ;) | 11:10 |
| * aquatix is happy with his | 11:11 | |
| starkmjolk | indeed! | 11:11 |
| starkmjolk | i've played some with a n800, n810 seem perfect for me :) | 11:11 |
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| * aquatix gets some coffee | 11:11 | |
| starkmjolk | just started encoding the star wars triology for usage with the n810 ;) | 11:11 |
| pupnik_ | what settings? | 11:12 |
| starkmjolk | have my own mencoder script | 11:12 |
| starkmjolk | it's a mess, but works | 11:12 |
| pupnik_ | i'll show you mine if you show me yours | 11:12 |
| starkmjolk | 400x240 res, lavc with lame | 11:12 |
| pupnik_ | ah sounds perfect | 11:13 |
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| starkmjolk | I have no reason to hide mine, besides the public health. I'll probably clean it up nicely when I have more time, I'll share it then :) | 11:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mediautils.garage.maemo.org starkmjolk | 11:13 |
| pupnik_ | so ovc lavc and vcodec=mpeg4 ? | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | suggestions and patches welcome on mediautils :) | 11:14 |
| pupnik_ | i was wondering if xvid might be better - looked more aggressive with smoothing at low bps | 11:14 |
| pupnik_ | oh yeah Jaffa is *the* guy for encoding | 11:15 |
| starkmjolk | GeneralAntilles: I saw it earlier, though I had this script since earlier | 11:15 |
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| starkmjolk | pupnik_: and a good bunch of other switches, yes. :) | 11:19 |
| starkmjolk | -lavcopts threads=3:autoaspect=1:vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:bitrate=400:vpass1/2 | 11:19 |
| pupnik_ | looks good what good does the 'threads' do? multicore? | 11:20 |
| starkmjolk | don't know if it is really good, I've done much more optimizing for x264 | 11:20 |
| pupnik_ | i can't remember which of my scripts is the best, need to take better notes | 11:20 |
| starkmjolk | pupnik_: yes, it does 3 threads (cores+1 is a good rule) | 11:20 |
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| starkmjolk | from what I see in cpu usage lavc doesn't do threads that well, x264 works better in loading both cores | 11:22 |
| starkmjolk | Anyone else seen these Aluminium cases for the n810? Looks cool: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000208&products_id=7317 | 11:23 |
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| aquatix | pupnik_: you have a good mencoder script? | 11:39 |
| * aquatix wants | 11:39 | |
| Jaffa | aquatix: what's wrong with http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html ? | 11:40 |
| aquatix | erm | 11:40 |
| aquatix | i guess nothing :) | 11:40 |
| * aquatix should do more research on garage ;) | 11:40 | |
| aquatix | does that do cli? | 11:40 |
| pupnik_ | i footled around with em, based on jaffa's work. 'improvements' depend on matching parameters to the source material | 11:40 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: besides, tablet-encode isn't in debian by default iirc ;) | 11:42 |
| pupnik_ | there was for e.g. an encode from an analog tv-rip of a cartoon | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, look at the USAGE section on that page. :P | 11:42 |
| pupnik_ | mencoder Kleines_Arschloch__TVRip_German_Inc.avi -o Kl770xvid.avi -srate 44100 -channels 1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -af volnorm,channels=1 -ovc lavc -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon -vf-add hqdn3d=09:0:10 -ofps 12.5 | 11:42 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: yeah, noticed | 11:42 |
| aquatix | guess i need more coffee and more reading | 11:42 |
| pupnik_ | but that's trying to crunch down a noisy analog rip of a cartoon | 11:42 |
| aquatix | oh, it's perl | 11:44 |
| * aquatix downloads to his mediaserver | 11:45 | |
| aquatix | should work out of the box then :) | 11:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, nicely enough, my EyeTV recordings seem to have started working at some point. | 11:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad I can't skip past the commercials. | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: cool | 11:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, that's on my Bloaty Feature Requests for Teh Fewchar list, a front-end on the device that'd let you skip around, provide more interesting library browsing, searching, etc. | 11:49 |
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| rm_you|wtf | Wha? someone's made progress on an SBC-DSP task!? | 12:53 |
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| rm_you | johnx: !! | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman's looking for help with DSP stuff if you want to provide it. | 12:56 |
| rm_you | yeah | 12:56 |
| rm_you | we talked about it like... 4 months ago | 12:56 |
| rm_you | i set up the toolchain but never got time to work on it :/ | 12:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles is really tired of retarded bugs that should've been solved forever ago. . . . | 12:57 | |
| rm_you | plus I didn't really know where to start... though I've seriously been thinking about doing it for a while. I was going to try to get one of the profs here to let me do it as a class so I could get credit for it :P | 12:57 |
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| pupnik_ | definitely get a prof interested in it | 13:04 |
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| pupnik_ | i found some profs enjoyed creative projects | 13:04 |
| rm_you | off-topic question... anyone know how to make a wireless Draft N device connect to a wireless Draft N router and ACTUALLY USE Draft N!?!?!? | 13:05 |
| rm_you | pupnik_: yeah, they do :) | 13:05 |
| glass | rm_you: shouldn't be more than just enabling draft n on both ? | 13:05 |
| rm_you | my laptop (using intel proset driver) and my router (linksys wrt-300n) seem to both be in N mode, as the laptop even displays it on the list as a G/N capable router... it just never connects at more than G speed | 13:06 |
| rm_you | and it says its using the 802.11g band <_< | 13:07 |
| hrw | rm_you: do you have other bt/wifi networks near? | 13:08 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 13:08 |
| rm_you | well, that reset my wireless.... wasn't expecting that :P | 13:08 |
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| glass | can't force it to use only n? | 13:11 |
| rm_you | dunno :/ | 13:11 |
| rm_you | never used N before | 13:11 |
| rm_you | ah wtf | 13:18 |
| rm_you | i guess i HAVE to use WPA2 security to get N speed | 13:18 |
| rm_you | >_> | 13:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | #2400 pisses me off so much | 13:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad I'm not emotionally invested in #303. . . . | 13:21 |
| rm_you | SWEET! got it | 13:21 |
| rm_you | 130MBps :) | 13:21 |
| rm_you | my wireless is now faster than my wired. woot. | 13:21 |
| glass | in practice too? | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've given up on 303 :-/ | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm feeling way more depressed about this stuff than usual. :< | 13:22 |
| rm_you | well, i paused an SCP transfer that was going steady at 1MB, now it's going steady at 1.8MB when i resumed it on 802.11n | 13:22 |
| rm_you | #303? what did i miss :/ | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't bother reading it | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll just piss you off and leave you depressed. | 13:23 |
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| rm_you | <_< | 13:23 |
| Veggen | pupnik: I did that, once (about getting professors to accept alternative things). I did an IRC-service instead of an assignment, once, because the assignment was about interfaces/protocol-stuff, but it was *dead boring*... | 13:24 |
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| Veggen | pupnik: And I told him it was *dead boring*, and that the IRC-service was more advanced than the assignment and much more fun ;) | 13:25 |
| Veggen | pupnik: luckily, he agreed. | 13:25 |
| Veggen | (else, the assignment would not have been done on time, cause I was gonna do the irc-service instead anyways ;) | 13:26 |
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| aquatix | rm_you: hm, i do about 10MB/sec on my 100MBit wired | 13:33 |
| rm_you | heh yeah... i wrote a java IRC client for fun one day two years ago :P | 13:34 |
| aquatix | but scp is another story of course | 13:34 |
| aquatix | nfs is quite fast though | 13:34 |
| rm_you | aquatix: yeah... just comparing the speedboost from 54mbps to 130mbps really... | 13:34 |
| kulve | aquatix: scp can do >10MB/sec too on a new computer | 13:34 |
| rm_you | i think that SCP is the problem tho... | 13:34 |
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| aquatix | rm_you: interesting that it really is about twice the speed | 13:34 |
| kulve | you can use -c blowfish to use lighter crypto | 13:34 |
| rm_you | it does tend to be about half as fast (or less) | 13:34 |
| aquatix | kulve: yeah, my laptop isn't quite up-to-par ;) | 13:35 |
| aquatix | blowfish is lighter? | 13:35 |
| rm_you | i'm using WinSCP in windoze <_< | 13:35 |
| aquatix | that's new for me | 13:35 |
| kulve | significantly | 13:35 |
| aquatix | i thought it was quite heavy | 13:35 |
| aquatix | hm | 13:35 |
| kulve | aquatix: it seems not to be compared to the default one | 13:35 |
| rm_you | this is my work laptop, so no linux for me :/ | 13:35 |
| aquatix | maybe aes2 is heavier indeed | 13:35 |
| aquatix | rm_you: :( | 13:35 |
| rm_you | :( | 13:36 |
| kulve | rm_you: maybe you can select those in winscp too | 13:36 |
| rm_you | have to code in ... .... ... VB6 <_< | 13:36 |
| * rm_you kries | 13:36 | |
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| aquatix | that sucks... | 13:36 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you're right. that's depressing | 13:41 |
| rm_you | makes my issue with the statusbar code issue seem... petty <_< | 13:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is a depressing place | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby keeps reminding me of more depressing things with his damn bugzilla weekly updates. <_< | 13:44 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The added visibility will help, I'm sure of that. | 13:45 |
| aquatix | meh, locales | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | Bugzilla tends to have the problem that the only one working on it is the developer that is assigned to the bug.. | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | Now managers can see the bug too, so they can push it.. | 13:46 |
| rm_you | SINCE OS2005!?!??! wtf >_> | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully that's probably the absolutely worst example. | 13:47 |
| rm_you | there should not be simple stupid bugs like that when they were reported 3 YEARS ago <_< | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything else is less depressing | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | if only marginally so in some cases. :P | 13:47 |
| * aquatix uses the locale en_DK on his pc | 13:47 | |
| rm_you | heh | 13:48 |
| aquatix | but that wasn't available on my tablet | 13:48 |
| aquatix | iirc | 13:48 |
| andre__1 | GeneralAntilles: from now on guenther and me will also take a look at bugzilla to get this going again | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, things are looking up for the future. | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's still a lot of built-up frustration that has to be bled off for a lot of us still, though. :P ;) | 13:49 |
| aquatix | there, voted for #303 | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/There's still/There's/ | 13:50 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: There's a lot of built-up frustration that has to be bled off for a lot of us still, though. :P ;) | 13:50 |
| aquatix | aside from that, having a working wifi at my university would be cool too | 13:50 |
| aquatix | eduroam thingee | 13:50 |
| aquatix | it appears that user and pass are getting mangled somehwere | 13:50 |
| andre__1 | same eduroam problem here, yeah | 13:51 |
| lardman | X-Fade: wrt bugs, if the component is open, community members could work on it too | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I'm with you man ;) | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | Don't worry :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | whether they will or not remains to be seen ;) | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: My optimal solution would be to let community members have commit access on the svn repository.. | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Putting together some sort of wikipage to help focus community efforts would be good. | 13:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I doubt that would be acceptable | 13:52 |
| lardman | X-Fade: but if we could add patches that might possibly be considered, and if not a comment as to why not, that would be a good start | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, yes and no. Not everybody would have it.. | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | But some established community gateway people perhaps.. | 13:53 |
| lardman | yes, I see what you mean | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | But either way, you would need to have the sources in that svn in the first place ;) | 13:54 |
| lardman | yep :) | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | It would be interesting to test this out on Modest for example.. | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | See what can happen when community people join that garage project. | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | And actually contribute. | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | I'm sure there are all kinds of little tasks community members can do without altering the general course/planning of Modest. | 13:56 |
| aquatix | why didn't have modest a weekly snapshot lately btw? | 13:56 |
| aquatix | because it's included in the os2008 upgrade now? | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean W18? | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | W19 was just released. | 13:56 |
| X-Fade | aquatix: All kinds of holidays? | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | W18 was skipped for some reason or the other. | 13:56 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: oh ok | 13:56 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: ignore my remark then ;) | 13:57 |
| aquatix | X-Fade: fair enough | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | W19 was 9 days ago | 13:57 |
| aquatix | was just wondering :) | 13:57 |
| aquatix | huh | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I guess we're kinda getting close to due again. | 13:57 |
| aquatix | check | 13:57 |
| * aquatix is just paranoid | 13:57 | |
| GeneralAntilles | While it's on my mind, anybody want to take a stab a fleshing this out? :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_%28e-mail_client%29 | 13:57 |
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| lardman | Is Modest in Garage? | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | Yep | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modest/ | 13:58 |
| lardman | So if a community member wanted to, they could probably produce a weekly snapshot....? | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Sure, although you have to package tinymail too.. | 13:59 |
| lardman | X-Fade: well whichever of the Modest devs has to do that too | 13:59 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone here use a nokia e51? | 13:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, the packages are in svn and you can see who uploaded them ;) | 14:00 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I'm just thinking of a thing a (relatively) non-programming community member could do to help the devs | 14:00 |
| aquatix | btw, do any of you too have the problem that modest not always [read: almost always not] does mark email messages `read' ? | 14:00 |
| lardman | X-Fade: rather than expecting the Modest devs to code + build + check the built packages, etc. | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | A number of people have reported it, aquatix. | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't paid close enough attention to notice. | 14:01 |
| aquatix | ok | 14:01 |
| aquatix | just wondering | 14:01 |
| _berto_ | what's up with modest ? | 14:01 |
| aquatix | it's one of the reasons i don't use it that much | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's awesome. | 14:01 |
| aquatix | while modest is awesome indeed | 14:01 |
| _berto_ | thanks :) | 14:01 |
| aquatix | but claws at least marks my mails read when i read them :) | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 | 14:02 |
| _berto_ | uh :) | 14:02 |
| _berto_ | i think we fixed that long ago | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=178914&postcount=306 | 14:03 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: that's my bug :) | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess you didn't need to be linked to it. :P | 14:04 |
| aquatix | heheh, you are no psychic :) | 14:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ;_; | 14:04 |
| aquatix | but that means it's not fixed | 14:04 |
| aquatix | meh | 14:04 |
| _berto_ | so it only happens when opening mails from the notification box? | 14:04 |
| aquatix | erm no | 14:04 |
| aquatix | every single mail | 14:04 |
| aquatix | sometimes several are read when it's left open for a while | 14:05 |
| aquatix | so i guess the periodic refresh does some good | 14:05 |
| aquatix | but mostly, that doesn't help either | 14:06 |
| sergio | the periodic refresh does not mark the new messages as read | 14:06 |
| aquatix | no, emails that i just read | 14:06 |
| aquatix | modest shows them as read, but that's not updated at the server | 14:07 |
| sergio | ah | 14:07 |
| sergio | you mean POP or IMAP? | 14:07 |
| aquatix | imap4, secure | 14:07 |
| sergio | well | 14:07 |
| aquatix | dovecot, to be specific [but shouldn't really matter ;)] | 14:07 |
| sergio | if you mark a header as read | 14:07 |
| sergio | it won't be updated in the server | 14:07 |
| sergio | until you select another folder | 14:08 |
| sergio | or close the program of course | 14:08 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:08 |
| sergio | because we delay that update until that | 14:08 |
| aquatix | i will play around with that for a bit then | 14:08 |
| aquatix | but iirc, that doesn't always work either | 14:08 |
| aquatix | i have folders by subject | 14:08 |
| sergio | well I remember that we had some bugs about that in the past | 14:08 |
| aquatix | and even when i've visited various folders, the emails stay unread at the server | 14:08 |
| aquatix | ok, i'll try with the latest in a few hours then | 14:09 |
| sergio | well | 14:09 |
| _berto_ | yes, I remember we fixed them some time ago | 14:09 |
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| sergio | that sounds weird indeed | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | I can confirm it with W19 and google imap too. | 14:09 |
| hendry | i have my sb2 chinook setup. I need to install some build deps. how do i do that? | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | Switching between maps doesn't help either.. | 14:09 |
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| aquatix | oh, whatever, i'm hooking up my tablet with my phone now | 14:09 |
| * aquatix plays around a bit | 14:10 | |
| aquatix | don't want to wait to get home ;) | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Only closing the application updates it.. | 14:10 |
| _berto_ | (sorry, meeting) | 14:12 |
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| _berto_ | we'll look at it | 14:13 |
| jukey | hi, ist that the right place for bugs in modest: | 14:13 |
| jukey | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi | 14:13 |
| jukey | ? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, jukey. | 14:13 |
| aquatix | jukey: yes, just choose the modest component on that page | 14:13 |
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| jukey | yesterday i have put a bug into the modest project page bugzilla | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Communications:Modest | 14:14 |
| jukey | i think nobody is reading the bugs there? :) | 14:15 |
| jukey | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2542&group_id=9&atid=109 | 14:15 |
| sergio | jukey yes | 14:16 |
| sergio | but we hadn't many time recently | 14:16 |
| sergio | sorry | 14:16 |
| jukey | np, i only want to know where to report bugs :) | 14:16 |
| sergio | and regarding the read/unread status | 14:16 |
| jukey | and now i know | 14:16 |
| sergio | maybe it's just a problem of GMail synchrono | 14:17 |
| sergio | synchronizing that I mean | 14:17 |
| sergio | with the Web interface | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | sergio: No, closing modest does update it.. | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | sergio: but going to other folders doesn't.. | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | sergio: As soon as I close modest, I see the webinterface change instantly. | 14:18 |
| sergio | :m interesting | 14:18 |
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| sergio | maybe it's something that we added recently | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Hmm scratch that.. Doing it a second time, it doesn't update it.. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Weird.. | 14:19 |
| sergio | what version are you using BTW? | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | sergio: Latest and greates released packages on garage.. | 14:20 |
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| sergio | X-Fade I have just marked as read an unread mail and changed to another folder | 14:21 |
| sergio | and it was updated properly in the web interface | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | I clicked on the message to actually read it.. | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | And nothing happens.. | 14:21 |
| sergio | but it does not work properly the other way around as you say | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | Manually marking as read in modest and switching maps doesn't update. | 14:23 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm funny, I get the impression that it only worked one time. After a fresh reboot. | 14:23 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:26 |
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| aquatix | reading a mail in my dovecot inbox, then switching to another folder doesn't mark it as `read' | 14:26 |
| sergio | ok, I understand the problem | 14:27 |
| sergio | I'll take a look this afternoon | 14:27 |
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| sergio | it's weird because we're using the same command to do that | 14:28 |
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| sergio | it's just a SYNC for those of you that know IMAP | 14:28 |
| aquatix | weird indeed | 14:28 |
| aquatix | don't hesitate to ask me for assistance :) | 14:29 |
| sergio | maybe we're leaking a reference of the folder and thus the sync do not happen | 14:29 |
| aquatix | glad to be of help debugging | 14:29 |
| sergio | thx! | 14:29 |
| aquatix | sure thing | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks for looking into it, it's an issue that has irked a number of users for a while now. | 14:29 |
| aquatix | yeah, it's a shame | 14:30 |
| aquatix | as i now use claws instead of modest | 14:30 |
| aquatix | while modest is nicer on the tablet | 14:30 |
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| _berto_ | X-Fade: did you check why vagalume didn't build correctly ? | 14:34 |
| sergio | it's definitely because we leak a reference of the folder somewhere | 14:34 |
| sergio | because the call is made correctly | 14:34 |
| aquatix | sergio: might be of help - most of my folders are within a directory | 14:34 |
| sergio | I have just checked that | 14:34 |
| aquatix | i have folders like 2008/mailings | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: I asked the dev that has access to the box. He will get back to me this evening. | 14:34 |
| aquatix | where 2008 is a physical dir on the server | 14:34 |
| sergio | aquatix this does not change | 14:34 |
| aquatix | ok | 14:34 |
| sergio | but thx anyway for the report | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: We will try to add more logging and mailing this weekend ;) | 14:35 |
| sergio | could you please upload a bug to the bugzilla? | 14:35 |
| _berto_ | ok, don't worry :) | 14:35 |
| _berto_ | just curiosity | 14:35 |
| sergio | I'll review them again this weekend | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: You and me both ;) | 14:35 |
| sergio | because a lot of them are already fixed | 14:35 |
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| sergio | X-Fade, aquatix I know the reason why that is happening | 14:50 |
| sergio | and it's not really a bug, although you could find it annoying | 14:51 |
| sergio | the thing is that tinymail won't synchronise that status until the object that represents each account is destroyed | 14:51 |
| sergio | and that only happens when modest is finished | 14:51 |
| sergio | so due to tinymail design it couldn't be fixed | 14:52 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/05/16/car-navigation-with-n810/ | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | sergio: But it remains active on close? | 14:52 |
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| sergio | sometimes | 14:52 |
| sergio | modest window is closed but some tasks keep running in the background | 14:52 |
| sergio | just for a while | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | So it doesn't update at all at that point. | 14:52 |
| sergio | in the server yes | 14:52 |
| sergio | but your local cache is updated inmediatly | 14:52 |
| sergio | so you'll see them as read in Modest | 14:53 |
| johnx | so will it update the copy on the server later? or not at all? | 14:53 |
| sergio | yes | 14:53 |
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| sergio | it's updated in the server when modest closes | 14:53 |
| jukey | hm what i have to delete before i install modest again? I delete always /home/user/.modest and /var/lib/gconf/modest but after installing again i don't see the assistant for account creation but my old account name. a fews seconds later modest crashes an every few minutes i get the message "internal error e-mail will be closed" | 14:53 |
| sergio | jukey you don't need to remove .modest | 14:54 |
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| sergio | and you see your old accounts | 14:54 |
| sergio | because the account configuration is saved in Gconf | 14:54 |
| jukey | but it crashes every time i start it | 14:54 |
| sergio | not in .modest | 14:54 |
| sergio | jukey: which version? | 14:55 |
| jukey | .19 | 14:55 |
| jukey | at the end | 14:55 |
| sergio | weird | 14:55 |
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| sergio | nobody told us before | 14:55 |
| jku_ | jukey your settings aren't in /var/lib/gconf/modest... | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | jukey: Did you create a core-dumps dir on your mmc? | 14:55 |
| jukey | when i start it in xterm after a few minutes i saw "segmentation fault" | 14:55 |
| sergio | how do you start it? | 14:55 |
| jukey | modest | 14:56 |
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| sergio | modest showui I guess | 14:56 |
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| jukey | i will try it again | 14:57 |
| sergio | but why don't you start it using the menu? | 14:57 |
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| jukey | it crashes | 14:57 |
| sergio | maybe you have another problem | 14:57 |
| jku_ | jukey, if you want to get rid of your settings (accounts and such) do "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/modest" | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | For those of you using the atom feed for planet maemo, it should be fixed now.. | 14:58 |
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| simboss | guys, sorry to bother anyone there knows anything about gdal on n800? | 14:59 |
| sergio | gtg now, ping me later if you have problems/questions | 14:59 |
| jukey | thx jku_ | 15:00 |
| johnx | simboss, what exactly is gda1? | 15:00 |
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| simboss | GDAL | 15:00 |
| johnx | ah | 15:00 |
| simboss | *the* open source GIS toolkit :-) | 15:00 |
| simboss | I am trying to build it right now on the scratchbox | 15:00 |
| johnx | what problem are you running into? | 15:00 |
| simboss | well, the compiler choked with a strange message | 15:01 |
| simboss | and I had to remove a supported format | 15:01 |
| simboss | hopefully this time | 15:01 |
| simboss | I will get it working | 15:01 |
| simboss | anyway I might get back to that error later on | 15:01 |
| simboss | is there a mailing list where I can post such questions? | 15:02 |
| johnx | I think maemo-developers would be the right place if you want a mailing list | 15:02 |
| johnx | asking here wouldn't hurt either | 15:03 |
| aquatix | sergio: hm | 15:04 |
| aquatix | sergio: can't you tell tinymail to sync? | 15:04 |
| simboss | johnx: thx | 15:05 |
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| johnx | simboss, sure | 15:05 |
| johnx | hey rm_you | 15:05 |
| rm_you | hey johnx | 15:05 |
| rm_you | just about to sleep again | 15:05 |
| johnx | ah | 15:05 |
| rm_you | anyway, <--- excited about lardman working on DSP-SBC :P | 15:05 |
| johnx | always sleeping *shakes head* | 15:06 |
| rm_you | lol, its 7AM :P | 15:06 |
| johnx | yeah, time to wake up! | 15:06 |
| rm_you | i need to go to lunch at 1pm >_> | 15:06 |
| rm_you | pfft lol | 15:06 |
| johnx | moving out work out ok? | 15:06 |
| rm_you | well | 15:06 |
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| rm_you | i moved all my crap across to my suitemate's room | 15:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:06 |
| rm_you | and then today i moved most of it to a friend's condo | 15:07 |
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| rm_you | so now i'm pretty much set | 15:07 |
| simboss | johnx: here is a quick question :-). Does this error sound fmiliar to you? http://pastebin.com/m4c8f1a92 | 15:07 |
| rm_you | got to ship my compy and stuff today tho | 15:07 |
| rm_you | well, l8r :P | 15:07 |
| johnx | later rm_you | 15:07 |
| aquatix | rm_you: cya | 15:07 |
| johnx | simboss, I guess libdb isn't installed in scratchbox or not where the compiler was looking for it? | 15:08 |
| johnx | gah...misread that | 15:08 |
| johnx | interesting | 15:08 |
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| simboss | ops | 15:10 |
| simboss | there is a typo | 15:10 |
| simboss | my bad | 15:10 |
| simboss | it was -lidn | 15:10 |
| simboss | sorry | 15:10 |
| johnx | that's ok...I misread it a different way, as well | 15:11 |
| johnx | libidn I guess | 15:12 |
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| jukey | after "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/modest" i was able to start modest | 15:13 |
| jukey | i have creat an account and see the inbox :-) | 15:13 |
| jukey | thx a lot | 15:13 |
| johnx | simboss, you might beed to install libidn in scratchbox | 15:13 |
| simboss | k, I'll give it a try | 15:13 |
| simboss | thx for the help | 15:13 |
| johnx | sure | 15:13 |
| johnx | GIS stuff would be great to have on the tablet | 15:14 |
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| simboss | any ideas where to start looking ? | 15:16 |
| simboss | for libidn I mean :-) | 15:16 |
| johnx | you might just want to grab the debian source package from packages.debian.org and see if that compiles | 15:17 |
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| johnx | do you know how to compile something from a debian source package? | 15:18 |
| simboss | I was hoping to avoid that step :-( | 15:18 |
| johnx | it's not too bad | 15:18 |
| simboss | I have not done it in a while | 15:18 |
| johnx | just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 15:18 |
| simboss | apt-get install is my friend :-) | 15:18 |
| johnx | someone will chime in and say their own personal favorite way to do it I'm sure | 15:18 |
| simboss | found it http://packages.qa.debian.org/libi/libidn.html | 15:19 |
| johnx | looks like debian has a source package for gdal as well... | 15:20 |
| simboss | yeah, the debian gis project | 15:20 |
| johnx | anyways, grab the 3 files listed on the source package's page, a .diff.gz, a .dsc and a .orig.tar.gz | 15:20 |
| johnx | put then in the same dir and type dpkg-source -x foo.dsc ; cd into the directory it makes and type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and that should do it | 15:21 |
| simboss | about to try | 15:22 |
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| lopz | morning | 15:24 |
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| playya | is maemo also affected by the openssh/ssl vulnerability? | 15:39 |
| aquatix | possibly | 15:40 |
| * aquatix is curious to that too | 15:40 | |
| johnx | ssh-vulnkey would give you the answer | 15:40 |
| lirakis_work | hmm | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | i tried to install streamplayer on my n810 .. it said "failed to install" | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | now i cant uninstall it | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | or reinstall it | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | it shows up under my installed apps | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | but it shows it as 0kb | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | and it doesnt show when i search for installable apps now | 15:41 |
| simboss | johnx: done :-) | 15:41 |
| lirakis_work | how did i get stuck in this limbo .. and how can i fix it? | 15:42 |
| aquatix | lirakis_work: maybe try apt-get remove? | 15:42 |
| johnx | simboss, libidn? | 15:42 |
| simboss | I have built libidn even though I had to build it manually (configure --> make --> make install) | 15:42 |
| aquatix | as root in a shell? | 15:42 |
| simboss | then I rebuilt gdal | 15:42 |
| johnx | great! | 15:42 |
| lirakis_work | aquatix: tried .. apt doesnt seem to be able to find it | 15:42 |
| simboss | and now I can use its utilites in the scratchbox | 15:42 |
| simboss | :-) | 15:42 |
| simboss | I am going to test it on some data now :-) | 15:42 |
| johnx | that's pretty darn cool. What are you planning to use it for on the device? | 15:43 |
| simboss | I have been contracted | 15:43 |
| johnx | aaah | 15:43 |
| johnx | say no more | 15:43 |
| simboss | to port a JPIP client to n800 | 15:43 |
| simboss | I can talk about it | 15:43 |
| simboss | it will probably be OS | 15:43 |
| simboss | or at least parts of it | 15:44 |
| simboss | JPIP = jpeg2000 streaming | 15:44 |
| simboss | anyway | 15:44 |
| lirakis_work | ah! it showed up in updates.. but it failed to update .. but now it shows up in m extras menu and lauches | 15:44 |
| lirakis_work | wtf .. | 15:44 |
| simboss | I am planning on building a small GIS client | 15:44 |
| lirakis_work | im glad its working but wtf happened ? | 15:44 |
| aquatix | lirakis_work: voodoo ftw ;) | 15:44 |
| simboss | besides the contract | 15:45 |
| simboss | in python | 15:45 |
| simboss | :-) | 15:46 |
| johnx | pretty neat | 15:46 |
| johnx | I bet the n800 will work great for that | 15:46 |
| simboss | hopefully! | 15:47 |
| simboss | :-) | 15:47 |
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| johnx | overall it's a pretty nice little device as long as you're reasonable with your expectations...I really can't think of anything the same size that can run python well | 15:48 |
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| simboss | yeah, it's pretty nice | 15:51 |
| simboss | oiwever | 15:51 |
| simboss | however | 15:51 |
| simboss | I think java support is pretty bad | 15:52 |
| simboss | and that is a shame :-( | 15:52 |
| simboss | but I like python as well and I have mobile java | 15:52 |
| simboss | :-) | 15:52 |
| johnx | yeah...someone was working on that but I don't know how far they got | 15:52 |
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| johnx | jalimo is the name of the java project for maemo if you haven't already seen it | 15:58 |
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| n800n | where can i get nuvo black? | 16:00 |
| simboss | johnx: yeah, I hve tried few JVM | 16:09 |
| simboss | I also tried to play with phoneME | 16:09 |
| Veggen | it just has to get better, sooner or later... | 16:09 |
| simboss | but I got stuck | 16:09 |
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| Veggen | With fully open source java on the way and an open source mozilla-based microB, things should get easier. | 16:09 |
| Blastur | Hi | 16:10 |
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| Blastur | Anyone have difficulties with microb crashing the entire tablet? | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | KILL JAVA KILL | 16:12 |
| johnx | does it just turn off? or is it slowing down then flashing the blue light at you? | 16:13 |
| johnx | maybe running out of memory? | 16:13 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: STUPID COMMENT STUPID? | 16:13 |
| simboss | Blafasel++ | 16:13 |
| RST38h | yea | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: I seem to have that too, more and more lately.. | 16:13 |
| simboss | :-) | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Blafasel: 10 seconds of freeze and then the display gets 'washed out' and it reboots.. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | that is the watchdog timer | 16:14 |
| Blastur | Je exactly that | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | Ehm should have been to Blastur ;)_ | 16:14 |
| Blastur | Sometimes blue light | 16:14 |
| Blastur | Sometimes washed screen | 16:14 |
| * RST38h has never seen N810 show a yellow light by the way. Does it ever happen? | 16:15 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well, you can mix it yourself? :) | 16:15 |
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| Veggen | RST38h: java *is* actually useful for something. | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | Veggen: Selling faster CPUs and more memory? =) | 16:16 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: It supports default RGB codes. Make it yellow or pink or whatever ;) | 16:16 |
| Blastur | What does blue light mean | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I still have not found a way to do it, although LED config file lists some really funky light patterns | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: There is a led API, I think.. | 16:17 |
| Blafasel | Add a pattern, add yellow | 16:17 |
| johnx | Blastur, I have an N800 so the light is *only* blue | 16:17 |
| johnx | I take it as "Hey! pay attention to me!" (repeat, ad infinum) | 16:17 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: There should even be a utlity that triggers a given predefined pattern | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | Mauku uses orange.. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | but I do not know th ename | 16:18 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: http://google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i | 16:18 |
| Blafasel | Wrote that some time ago | 16:18 |
| Blafasel | Contains the info in more detail and the command to switch to other patterns | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: Ahaaaa!!!!! Thanks! | 16:18 |
| Blastur | Btw how to put it in energy save ? When i woke up today it was discharged even though i charged it yesterday (got it yesterday) | 16:18 |
| Blafasel | Wrote that for someone in here, quite old as you see | 16:19 |
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| johnx | Blastur, was it connected to wifi the whole time? | 16:20 |
| Blastur | Well i didnt disconnect it but it is set to max energy save for wifi | 16:21 |
| Blastur | Damn this keyboard is small | 16:22 |
| Blastur | :) | 16:22 |
| johnx | some apps that you leave running in the background can wake the CPU up a lot from "deep sleep" | 16:22 |
| johnx | the RSS applet is often accused of this | 16:22 |
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| Blastur | Even when set to refresh only every hour or so ? | 16:23 |
| johnx | I'm not sure actually, I don't use it myself | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | RSS applet only does it when scrolling | 16:24 |
| RST38h | pretty harmless otherwise | 16:24 |
| johnx | so how much did you use it and how many hours did you leave it idle? | 16:25 |
| Blastur | Ok but i dont have any apps running | 16:25 |
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| Blastur | I left it over night with approx 3 days of idle battery left | 16:26 |
| johnx | and when you woke up it was powered off? | 16:26 |
| Blastur | Yes and it could not power up due to no battery | 16:27 |
| johnx | have you installed many apps yet? | 16:28 |
| johnx | anything that might have a part that runs in the background? | 16:28 |
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| Blastur | Hmm a few apps but no bg apps... | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3 days of idle battery isn't much. | 16:29 |
| Blastur | Maybe i accidentally left skype running | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That more or less amounts to %33. . . . | 16:29 |
| johnx | yeah I don't know if they mean "idle connected to wlan" or "idle with all radios and screen off" | 16:29 |
| Blastur | But that shouldnt consume all resources and drain battery right | 16:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering that you'll only get about 3 days connected to wifi at 100%, it sounds about right. | 16:30 |
| * sp3000 guesstimates skype would | 16:30 | |
| johnx | it depends on how it's written | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | idle is totally idle. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Radios off, CPU sleeping, screen off. | 16:30 |
| johnx | either way, just put it in offline mode overnight if you can't plug it into a charger | 16:30 |
| * sp3000 doesn't know how well it idles but using it sure warms things up nicely :) | 16:30 | |
| Blastur | Well i guess i hsve to try again | 16:30 |
| Blastur | Thanks | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It idles really nicely on wifi. | 16:31 |
| sp3000 | ("it" being skype) | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it being the NIT. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't use Skype | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever | 16:31 |
| sp3000 | right, in your statement, which is why I wanted to clarify :) | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, like I said, 3 days of idle time is actually not much battery life. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's maybe ~24 hours idle on wifi | 16:32 |
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| X-Fade | My N800 can idle for at least 2 weeks. | 16:32 |
| johnx | on wifi or off? | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Off. | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Milhouse did a rundown | 16:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got 12 days. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | umgh | 16:33 |
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| lcdd | i would guess the idle time with wifi depends somewhat on the network activity. stuff always enters the network stack even if it's not something the system cares about | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | wifi idle time varies a lot with signal quality and router | 16:36 |
| lcdd | that too | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1-4 days | 16:36 |
| johnx | that is something to think about...ever time something else spews a broadcast it wakes up the tablet, huh? | 16:37 |
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| trickie_ | woo! | 16:58 |
| trickie_ | ke-recv is open source | 16:58 |
| trickie_ | as of now | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | what's that? | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | ke-recv - Program for receiving kevents from the kernel etc. | 16:59 |
| trickie_ | check maemo-dev, but it interacts with sysfs and HAL for mmc and storage stuff | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 17:01 |
| RST38h | fwns | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like another udev replacement | 17:01 |
| trickie_ | higher up the stack than udev | 17:02 |
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| Blastur | hey, is there a tool that can take an arbitrary ogg or avi video file and optimize it for N810 playback? like resize it, perhaps re-encode with a more suitable codec | 17:07 |
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| vililikku | Blastur: What OS do you use? | 17:08 |
| RST38h | tablet-encode but it produces shitty quality with default settings | 17:08 |
| vililikku | Windows, Mac. Linux? | 17:08 |
| RST38h | On Windows, you can use Nokia Video Converter but it is a pig | 17:08 |
| Blastur | vililikku: windows, but i also have ubuntu | 17:08 |
| ||cw | mencoder | 17:08 |
| RST38h | So, just get yourself mencoder and play with settings | 17:08 |
| Blastur | okay, cool | 17:08 |
| Blastur | thanks | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | for geeks: http://www.me3dia.com/archives/2008/02/26/hex_silliness/index.php | 17:08 |
| Blastur | is there a GUI for that, or do i have to commandline on its ass? :) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | no gui for mencoder | 17:09 |
| vililikku | Blastur: http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 | 17:09 |
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| X-Fade | Blastur: Just try Nokia Video Convertor on windows.. | 17:09 |
| Blastur | what settings do you recommend for videos on the n810? resolutions, bitrate etc | 17:09 |
| RST38h | vililikku: NOOOOOooo! | 17:09 |
| ||cw | there are 3rd party gui's | 17:09 |
| vililikku | RST38h: :) | 17:09 |
| vililikku | RST38h: mencoder is hard for newbies | 17:09 |
| Blastur | i have used mencoder before | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | And if you are using windows, you are already lost, so .. :) | 17:10 |
| vililikku | Blastur: And http://xoomer.alice.it/sepaolo/n800vc/ | 17:10 |
| Blastur | i just remember it was a bitch with all the parameters | 17:10 |
| KotCzarny | color of #F1A5C0 is pink :) | 17:10 |
| vililikku | Blastur: Default settings is often good | 17:12 |
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| trickie_ | hmm ke-recv does alot more than i thought it did | 17:13 |
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| KotCzarny | http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh | 17:17 |
| aquatix | Blastur: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html | 17:17 |
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| RST38h | vili: Nokia's software just does not work well | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Slow by itself and slows computer to a crawl | 17:38 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, that's an interesting script :) | 17:39 |
| johnx | I wonder what the difference is between standby and mem | 17:39 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yeah, i'm wondering about it's purpose :) | 17:39 |
| johnx | aah...I thought you wrote it | 17:40 |
| Blastur | is it possible to replace the internal memory card of the n810? | 17:40 |
| johnx | Blastur, not without a soldering iron | 17:40 |
| Blastur | with a bigger on that is | 17:40 |
| KotCzarny | nah, just some nice tricks in it that i felt like sharing | 17:40 |
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| Blastur | ok, .. im pretty good with the soldering iron though | 17:40 |
| johnx | well its purpose is pretty obvious | 17:40 |
| Blastur | =) | 17:40 |
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| KotCzarny | johnx: but, it looks like it's a deeper sleep than regular idle sleep | 17:41 |
| johnx | Blastur, that's good cause this should be a real challenge for you | 17:41 |
| johnx | yeah, definitely | 17:41 |
| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, that script was posted somewhere on ITT | 17:41 |
| qwerty111 | I think with explanation | 17:41 |
| johnx | I just don't know the difference bettween standby and "mem" in terms of what parts are running | 17:41 |
| Navi | morning | 17:42 |
| qwerty111 | afternoon | 17:42 |
| johnx | mornin' | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | mournin' | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | (i should be sleeping) | 17:43 |
| johnx | you sleep? | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes | 17:43 |
| johnx | every couple days or what? | 17:43 |
| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, if you are like my ex-cat, you would be sleeping 24/7 :p | 17:43 |
| KotCzarny | cats never sleep | 17:44 |
| qwerty111 | Oh believe me, my one did... | 17:44 |
| KotCzarny | they just trick us that they do | 17:44 |
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| Robot101 | timeless: btw, I'm the Rob you just met :) | 17:47 |
| Robot101 | thanks for the cookie | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | Mmmm, cookies. | 17:48 |
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| KotCzarny | 3rd party cookies are suspicious | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | be aware jaffa | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:49 |
| qwerty111 | Get them from my repo! They have been personally tested... | 17:50 |
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| KotCzarny | personally tasted? | 17:50 |
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| KotCzarny | yuck. | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:50 |
| qwerty111 | :P :) | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | who wants bitten cookies | 17:50 |
| aquatix | ``they are good, i tasted them'' | 17:50 |
| Gracana | haha | 17:50 |
| aquatix | *looks at dewy cookie* | 17:50 |
| * qwerty111 is reminded of candy lyrics | 17:50 | |
| * qwerty111 is happy. I just got pulseaudio compiled for ARMEL. But I'm gonna crap myself trying to set it up for N800... | 17:53 | |
| johnx | yeah, it was kind of a pain | 17:54 |
| johnx | it looks more complicated than esd so I have up and made sound work directly in debian | 17:54 |
| johnx | s/have/gave | 17:54 |
| Gracana | johnx, I recompiled Xomap last night | 17:55 |
| qwerty111 | Nice :). I like sound playing from headset and speaker at the same time :D | 17:55 |
| johnx | Gracana, cool! with dpms? | 17:55 |
| Gracana | no | 17:55 |
| Gracana | I disabled builtin-fonts-only. | 17:55 |
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| KotCzarny | gracana: try adding vfp to DEB_PKG_OPTIONS | 17:55 |
| Gracana | So I could have external fonts. | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | forgot the variable name | 17:55 |
| johnx | qwerty111, works fine in debian | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | you should find it in the rules though | 17:56 |
| johnx | might be able to do it on os2008 as well | 17:56 |
| qwerty111 | johnx, I mean in debian :) | 17:56 |
| johnx | aah | 17:56 |
| Gracana | Where is DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS (I see it referenced in debian/rules) defined? | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | it's an env variable | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | do you can set it with: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="vfp" | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | then running build | 17:57 |
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| * Gracana tries | 17:58 | |
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| Navi | heh | 18:08 |
| Navi | forgot the hildon libs were there | 18:08 |
| johnx | where? | 18:08 |
| Navi | in the debian repos | 18:08 |
| johnx | yeah | 18:08 |
| Navi | I just installed a bunch of them by accident | 18:08 |
| johnx | yeah, they're working on tinymail | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | 'installed by accident' | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:08 |
| johnx | I want to try and get modest working for the zaurus | 18:08 |
| johnx | maybe not the whole maemo environment but there are a lot of nice apps written w/ hildon | 18:09 |
| Navi | ugh, damn it | 18:10 |
| Gracana | Okay, here's the latest test of xomap. http://nyus.joshuawise.com/upload/data/xserver-xomap_5.deb | 18:10 |
| Navi | I forgot that sdl was one of the packages debian splits up into nonsense | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | version string is bad | 18:10 |
| johnx | is this built with debian dependencies or os2008 dependencies? | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | you have to keep it the same as original one | 18:10 |
| Navi | Gracana, compile it with dpms! | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise apt-get would bitch | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | (when you try to install anything else) | 18:11 |
| Gracana | KotCzarny, me? | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | gracana: yes | 18:11 |
| Gracana | hm | 18:11 |
| johnx | Gracana, is this for debian? | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | afair there is b0rkage in maemo that some system packages depend on EXACT versions | 18:11 |
| Gracana | I've been installing with dpkg. Does that make a difference? | 18:11 |
| Gracana | yeah johnx | 18:11 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, doesn't matter then | 18:11 |
| Navi | what does libxsp0 use? | 18:12 |
| Navi | er | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 18:12 |
| Navi | what _is_ libxsp0? | 18:12 |
| RST38h | all right, going home | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | i though you are doing it for maemo? | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | *thought | 18:12 |
| Navi | no :P | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | not you | 18:12 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 18:12 |
| johnx | all the cool people are packaging for debian these days :D | 18:12 |
| Gracana | hehe | 18:12 |
| qwerty111 | osso-software-version bitches and remember jott had version problem with xserver. apt-get will still bitch regardless if it is installed via dpkg. | 18:12 |
| johnx | Navi, something about omap specific scaling code I *think* | 18:13 |
| Navi | mmk | 18:13 |
| Navi | I'm going to set up that debian chroot now >_> | 18:13 |
| johnx | qwerty111, in debian-land we don't have none of your "osso-software-version" nonsense | 18:13 |
| johnx | :D | 18:13 |
| qwerty111 | Oh, is this for debian? :) | 18:14 |
| qwerty111 | Sorry, my bad. | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | but you have some other nonsense in debian land ;) | 18:14 |
| johnx | I'm free to install software with a version string of "zebra" | 18:14 |
| Navi | Damn, we're going in circles | 18:14 |
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| johnx | I should bind "It's for Debian" to something... | 18:14 |
| qwerty111 | Does scratchbox come with gtkmm by default? | 18:14 |
| Navi | hmm | 18:15 |
| johnx | I think not...let me check | 18:15 |
| Navi | I don't know where I left the debian tarball | 18:15 |
| Navi | :/ | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | ask google | 18:15 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 18:15 |
| * KotCzarny remembers the trick with lost keys | 18:15 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:15 |
| johnx | Google: Where are my keys? | 18:16 |
| johnx | if google knows that I'd be kinda scared | 18:16 |
| johnx | just a *little* | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:17 |
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| KotCzarny | but then you would be happy | 18:17 |
| * qwerty111 remembers my friend tricking teacher with peteranswers.... | 18:17 | |
| KotCzarny | not needing to remember it anymore | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:17 |
| Gracana | Xomap is still slow. | 18:17 |
| johnx | the bus the LCD controller sits on is slow | 18:18 |
| Gracana | Time to try a normal build. | 18:18 |
| Navi | :P | 18:18 |
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| Gracana | Haha, well, it's slower than normal. :P | 18:18 |
| johnx | ah | 18:18 |
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| Blafasel | wth are peteranswers? | 18:20 |
| MangoFusion | conceptually the bus the LCD controller sits on could be likened to a cart towed by a dilapidated tortoise | 18:20 |
| Navi | heh | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | well | 18:21 |
| Navi | Blafasel, it's a prank site people like to use | 18:21 |
| * qwerty111 for one | 18:21 | |
| KotCzarny | that's because accel available on the chip is not used | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | for this or other reason | 18:21 |
| johnx | still doesn't help the total number of fullscreen refreshes you can do in a second | 18:22 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: what accel is this? | 18:23 |
| lardman | The LCD controller scaling can and is used afaik, I don't think there's any other accel available | 18:23 |
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| KotCzarny | lardman: iva ? | 18:24 |
| lardman | yeah, but it's a separate chip so does it count? | 18:25 |
| lardman | but I suppose yes | 18:25 |
| johnx | isn't that just for video? | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | but contained in the same package? | 18:25 |
| * Navi listens to "King of Spain" | 18:25 | |
| johnx | not normal screen draws? | 18:25 |
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| Navi | IVA's a vide/audio decoder. | 18:25 |
| lardman | johnx: presumably could do whatever, depending on what tasks you send it | 18:25 |
| johnx | Navi, it will steal your *life* away! | 18:25 |
| Navi | video* | 18:26 |
| Navi | johnx, I bought the album :P | 18:26 |
| * johnx shakes his head...It's already too late | 18:26 | |
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| Gracana | Well, if it turns out that using external fonts is too slow, then hopefully I can at least include some sane internal ones. | 18:26 |
| qwerty111 | Oh yeah, thats' that dodgy song in Debian | 18:27 |
| Navi | johnx was using it to test his sound | 18:27 |
| Navi | wtf? | 18:27 |
| Navi | tar errored out | 18:27 |
| johnx | dodgy indeed! | 18:27 |
| * Navi checks his disk space | 18:28 | |
| lardman | home time | 18:28 |
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| Blafasel | Quick survey: http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ - any suggestion which ebook format I should pick for my device/fbreader? | 18:29 |
| johnx | html | 18:30 |
| qwerty111 | "* FBReader: FB2 file | 18:30 |
| qwerty111 | (Thanks, B. Ross Ashley!) | 18:30 |
| qwerty111 | " | 18:30 |
| johnx | or the fb2 reader of course | 18:30 |
| Navi | oh yeah | 18:30 |
| johnx | I like html cause it works anywhere... | 18:30 |
| Navi | fbreader is in the debian repos too | 18:30 |
| Blafasel | qwerty111: Stupid me. | 18:31 |
| Navi | bleh | 18:31 |
| Navi | I hate APT | 18:31 |
| Gracana | <3 apt | 18:31 |
| johnx | apt is awesome | 18:32 |
| Navi | Hate it :P | 18:32 |
| qwerty111 | I think China has fake market covered : http://www.fbreader.org/third-party/broncho/ | 18:32 |
| * qwerty111 rolls eyes | 18:32 | |
| KotCzarny | using courier as system font? | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 18:33 |
| * KotCzarny vomits | 18:33 | |
| johnx | it's probably just part of a Chinese font | 18:33 |
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| Gracana | johnx, is there any chance of getting mice to work in debian? | 18:34 |
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| johnx | that's all a question of xomap I think | 18:35 |
| Gracana | KotCzarny, do you know what modifications have been made to make Xomap omap-y? | 18:35 |
| Gracana | hm | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 18:35 |
| Gracana | It's just modified TinyX, right? | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | it you want buzzword it's Kdrive | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it's spelled | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | you have the sources, peek inside | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:36 |
| * Navi np: Gulf War Song [Moxy Fruvous] | 18:36 | |
| johnx | yeah...you might even be able to pass another -mouse to it and have it look at /dev/input/mice | 18:36 |
| Navi | bleh, it changed | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it should be enabled by default :/ | 18:37 |
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| johnx | it is or it *should*? | 18:37 |
| Navi | johnx, this is your fault. | 18:37 |
| johnx | hmm? | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | in maemo | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't tried debian yet | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:37 |
| johnx | then why are people complaining about mouse stuff? | 18:37 |
| johnx | just set a cursor and you're fine, right? | 18:38 |
| Gracana | Mice should? Mice don't work in ITOS | 18:38 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't have a usb adapter | 18:38 | |
| Navi | no usb mouse support in either | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | can't check | 18:38 |
| Navi | +one | 18:38 |
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| KotCzarny | chosen one? | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:39 |
| qwerty111 | Someone made unoffiical mice support for OS2008 | 18:39 |
| qwerty111 | Works *ok* | 18:39 |
| qwerty111 | (not tried by me) | 18:39 |
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| johnx | qwerty111, what does it do? | 18:39 |
| Navi | the cursor updates pretty slowly | 18:39 |
| Gracana | I should make a tslib package so I don't have to keep editing the control file of the generated debs | 18:40 |
| Gracana | Better yet | 18:40 |
| Gracana | johnx, can I have your fake tslib? | 18:40 |
| johnx | I don't think I have it anymore | 18:40 |
| Gracana | o | 18:40 |
| Gracana | oh* | 18:40 |
| johnx | it had conflict issues...just edit the control of the *source* package :) | 18:40 |
| qwerty111 | johnx, Can't remember exactly. udev file and some pollers afaik. Not the greatest of support however. | 18:41 |
| Gracana | I can't, it automatically generates that dependency | 18:41 |
| Gracana | If I remove tslib from the source package, then it has no tslib | 18:41 |
| Gracana | or maybe I am making that up | 18:41 |
| johnx | change it to libts with no version | 18:41 |
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| Gracana | oh, okay, I'll do that nex time | 18:42 |
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| Gracana | Still seems slow. | 18:47 |
| Gracana | I should load up the old Xomap just to make sure. | 18:47 |
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| * Gracana would probably benefit from having less than 35 tabs open | 18:49 | |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d4_1204205840 | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | meheheheheh | 18:50 |
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| Gracana | haha *WHAM* "Um.." *everyone is just shocked* | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | 'seemed like a good idea at the time' ;) | 18:52 |
| Gracana | haha I bet it did | 18:53 |
| johnx | basic geometry here folks | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | though my first thought was, wait, that tree is too tall | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 18:53 |
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| johnx | what were they expecting to happen? | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | i like the silence after the 'bam' | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:53 |
| Gracana | yeah hehe | 18:53 |
| summatusmentis | *sigh* I hate being the obsessive type | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | summatusmentis: try lsd | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | it will make or break you | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | either way your problem will end :) | 18:55 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: that seems like a bad solution to the problem | 18:56 |
| qwerty111 | Nah, a true linux geek would have fun with esd. | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | esd sucks | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:56 |
| qwerty111 | I know, I use Pulse with alsa :) | 18:56 |
| summatusmentis | *gasp* don't tell raster that | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | the idea of having multiplexed audio input is nice | 18:56 |
| summatusmentis | oh wait.... sorry, wrong channel | 18:56 |
| Navi | Pfft | 18:56 |
| Navi | OSS4 by itself here | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | but it sucks too much cpu | 18:57 |
| johnx | esd was a necessary solution before alsa/dmix | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | It would have cost them about $20 to rent a chainsaw from Home Depot. | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | That might have ended up with a funnier video too. | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:57 |
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| Gracana | Um. Well, okay. Apparently my performance issues were entirely made up. | 18:58 |
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| Navi | Gracana, liar | 18:58 |
| Gracana | The old Xomap is jus as slow. | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | gracana: lol | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | xbench ? | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | there was gtk testing app too | 18:59 |
| Gracana | how to I made fast? | 18:59 |
| Gracana | Seriously though, I don't think it's this slow in ITOS. | 18:59 |
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| Navi | Gracana, what's slow? | 19:00 |
| Gracana | Screen refreshes | 19:00 |
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| Navi | It was that slow | 19:00 |
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| Navi | You just didn't get to see it's slowness because apps were designed to hide it :P | 19:01 |
| johnx | no moving of windows in ITOS | 19:01 |
| Gracana | It might not even be so bad if the refreshes were just *uniform*, instead of seeing tearing | 19:01 |
| Navi | johnx, not much horizontal movement either | 19:01 |
| Navi | that's where you notice it the most | 19:01 |
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| KotCzarny | disable opaque moving windows? | 19:01 |
| johnx | the tearing is pretty much unavoidable from what I understand | 19:01 |
| johnx | only move very small windows? | 19:02 |
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| Gracana | I don't have opaque moving windows, I just have outlines, and the outlines tear. | 19:02 |
| Navi | It's unavoidable if you turn off the LCD | 19:02 |
| Gracana | Would double buffering work? Or is that just stupid? | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:02 |
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| johnx | here's the problem: (framebuffer) <----slow LCD bus------> (LCD controller) <----> LCD | 19:03 |
| Gracana | How does video work then? | 19:04 |
| Navi | johnx, oh yeah | 19:04 |
| Navi | dmesg fires off a message when something is jacked into the headphone port | 19:04 |
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| johnx | Gracana, it's drawn at 400x240 and scaled x2 on the LCD controller for the most part | 19:05 |
| Gracana | oh | 19:05 |
| johnx | or drawn at 500x2xx and scaled | 19:05 |
| johnx | or whatever | 19:05 |
| Gracana | That's clever | 19:05 |
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| johnx | which is why video over about 6xx X 3xx starts to get slow | 19:05 |
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| Gracana | Well, if this is unfixable, I'll stop worrying about it. | 19:06 |
| Gracana | er wait a second | 19:06 |
| Gracana | Is it updating the whole screen even when I drag an outlined window? | 19:07 |
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| johnx | it shouldn't be I would think | 19:07 |
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| Gracana | I would think it'd be able to do that without tearing then | 19:09 |
| johnx | well I think there isn't vsync either for some reason | 19:10 |
| johnx | likely related | 19:10 |
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| Gracana | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-January/007245.html hmm | 19:11 |
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| ds3 | ~ | 19:14 |
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| johnx | anyways, that's it for now...I need to catch some sleep | 19:14 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:14 |
| qwerty111 | night | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | night | 19:15 |
| Gracana | night | 19:15 |
| Navi | night | 19:15 |
| summatusmentis | the NITs probably won't ever be cell phones directly huh? | 19:15 |
| qwerty111 | neva muhahahaha | 19:15 |
| Gracana | I hope not | 19:16 |
| summatusmentis | I would love one device that has phone and browsing capactiy(embedded linux a must) | 19:16 |
| summatusmentis | I don't wanna have to carry two devices aroung | 19:16 |
| summatusmentis | around* | 19:16 |
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| * Jaffa doesn't want a phone as big as a NIT, though. | 19:17 | |
| Jaffa | ...and doesn't want the NIT to be any smaller | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:17 |
| * KotCzarny has original n-gage, still | 19:17 | |
| KotCzarny | and uses it | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:17 |
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| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: ew | 19:18 |
| octal_sio | hmm.. am I the only one having trouble accessing http://garage.maemo.org/ ? | 19:18 |
| summatusmentis | KotCzarny: does the osk work? | 19:18 |
| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, I smashed up my n-gage :p | 19:18 |
| X-Fade | octal_sio: We are doing work on it at the moment. | 19:18 |
| octal_sio | oh, ok.. | 19:19 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: accidentally? | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | i hope? | 19:19 |
| qwerty111 | nope, on purpose :/ | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 19:19 |
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| qwerty111 | I have W810, N80 and P1i and few buttons didn't work on it. so... | 19:20 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: planned work? | 19:27 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Updates to gforge. | 19:28 |
| X-Fade | Which is always a pain ... | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: so, would it be churlish to ask where the maemo-* mailing list announcement of the downtime was (especially if it's always a pain)? | 19:28 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I thought Ferenc already wrote a mail to the list. | 19:29 |
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| X-Fade | And this Debian SSH thing isn't helping either ;) | 19:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: not on maemo-{developers,users,announce} according to Gmail or a quick scan of the maemo.org archives | 19:30 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: yeah, weird. | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | Now, looking at http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html it seems that maemo2midgard is now the general discussion for all "maemo web content" (certainly there've been some references to it recently which didn't seem anything to do with a midgard migration) - perhaps a name change is needed there? maemo-website or something? | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | Ah, but I can't check that anyway - it's hosted on garage :-) | 19:32 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe | 19:33 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: as the new bastions of community involvement, this has the slight taste of you having joined a cabal of Nokians and fallen into their bad habits ;-) | 19:33 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm not doing the work.. | 19:33 |
| X-Fade | And this is because of the security issue that a lot of sites have now. | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Sorry - I therefore make it a general "them" ;-) | 19:34 |
| X-Fade | And a lot of our users too, so it seems. | 19:34 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm not bemoaning the fact it's down, I'm saying I'm disappointed there's no change to the topic here, no announcement on the mailing lists etc. Out-of-hours in Finland is still mid-afternoon in the UK and mid-morning in the US; and as a global community "out-of-hours maintenance" doesn't make much sense (assuming that's why it's being done now) | 19:35 |
| * Jaffa has had a bad day, btw, so may be being overly critical. Feel free to say "Shuddup, Jaffa" | 19:36 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Security issues need to be addressed when they appear. | 19:36 |
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| X-Fade | And that is now. | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | OK, so it's not been planned for out-of-hours? It's just being done ASAP. | 19:37 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: The mail has arrived in my mailbox. | 19:37 |
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| X-Fade | But it was to maemo2midgard it seems ;) | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | Right. So it *was* communicated (that's good), but badly (that's bad). | 19:37 |
| X-Fade | http://friendpaste.com/qukLnWQV | 19:38 |
| * Jaffa was still surprised to see so maemo2midgard being used so much - I thought it was a mailing list for a migration project (which was now completed) | 19:38 | |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, so apart from being sent to the wrong place (how many garage project owners are on maemo2midgard? Should they be?) it also doesn't say when it's going down (I assume "now") or how long it's expected to be down ("major upgrade" != apt-get -u upgrade ;-)) | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | BTW, it's either moan about this or do some deeply involved code review, hence why moaning is winning :) | 19:40 |
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| * unixSnob is bummed to hear that MS managed to get Windows into the one-laptop-per-child program :< | 19:43 | |
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| KotCzarny | one-window-per-child ? | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:43 |
| qwerty111 | Smash it and use as weapon | 19:44 |
| qwerty111 | window that is | 19:44 |
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| KotCzarny | http://gizmodo.com/361390/1301-florescent-bulbs-lit-solely-by-magnetic-fields | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:44 |
| * qwerty111 throws KotCzarny's computer into them | 19:44 | |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: which one? ;) | 19:45 |
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| ||cw | KotCzarny: cool. CF's in my ceiling fan sometimes blink softly as the fan spins | 19:45 |
| qwerty111 | hell all of them, the fields big enough | 19:45 |
| ||cw | even with the lights off | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | ||cw: spooky | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:45 |
| ||cw | yeah, esp since not all blink and it's not always the same one either | 19:46 |
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| unixSnob | What's spooky is the wood tick I just roasted on my shin.. the son of a bitch jumped while it was on flames and landed on my chest.. damn that was freaky | 19:53 |
| unixSnob | That blood sucking parasite poofed out like a balloon. I've never seen a tick bloat out like this | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | mm | 19:55 |
| unixSnob | ('cept when full of blood) | 19:55 |
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| KotCzarny | you should watch some human worms vid on youtube | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | THAT is spooky | 19:55 |
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| unixSnob | what's a human worm? | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | there are a few.. | 19:56 |
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| KotCzarny | unixsnob: for example this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GiHtUFuGgSA&feature=related | 19:59 |
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| KotCzarny | unixsnob: for example this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GiHtUFuGgSA&feature=related | 20:01 |
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| unixSnob | why would so many folks quit and rejoin simultaneously like that? does it mean one of the freenode servers went offline? | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | have you seen the vid? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:04 |
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| unixSnob | i'm on a slow connection.. hasn't even drawn the still image yet | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 20:05 |
| Navi | It's a netsplit | 20:05 |
| Navi | Well, that was two netsplits | 20:05 |
| unixSnob | what's a netsplit? | 20:05 |
| X-Fade | garage.maemo.org is back again btw. | 20:06 |
| Navi | Woo | 20:06 |
| Navi | unixSnob, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | 20:06 |
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| unixSnob | Navi, since you were on the other side of the split, did it look to you like I disconnected and rejoined? | 20:10 |
| Navi | Yes :P | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | near death experience | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | 'been on the other side of the split' | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:10 |
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| Gracana | haha | 20:14 |
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| Gracana | unixSnob, netsplit is when one (or multiple) networked irc servers become disconnected | 20:15 |
| Gracana | -or- *that* was a netsplit :P | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool, thanks. | 20:16 |
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| Gracana | So, I have decided that my tearing problem is due to the framebuffer being updated too quickly. That is certainly how it appears. | 20:17 |
| Gracana | Is there any way to enable vsync/tearsync? | 20:17 |
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| unixSnob | I'm so bummed I didn't get one of the 10 dollar 120GB portable HDDs at officemax today.. I had one in the cart.. but some bastard snatched it out of my cart since was on a slow dialup connection | 20:21 |
| Gracana | aw that sucks | 20:22 |
| Gracana | Why so cheap? | 20:22 |
| qwerty111 | S***! £5? | 20:22 |
| unixSnob | guess it's being discontinued.. it was on clearance | 20:23 |
| Gracana | wee | 20:23 |
| unixSnob | it was a 2.5 inch drive, USB2, and sata internally | 20:23 |
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| mancha | hey all, was maemo's openssh port subject to the security problem of debian's? | 20:24 |
| Gracana | o.o unixSnob | 20:25 |
| Gracana | I would have put that in my laptop | 20:25 |
| Gracana | And put my laptop HD in the case | 20:25 |
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| X-Fade | mancha: It is not part of the default firmware image. | 20:26 |
| cjohnson | I'm trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 to /extfs, but it says that the mounting failed. How can I determined what caused it to fial? | 20:26 |
| X-Fade | mancha: But the one in extras might be affected. | 20:26 |
| cjohnson | cd / | 20:26 |
| unixSnob | people flocked at the deal.. the site was slow. Someone in the forum ordered 70 units | 20:26 |
| n800n | i thought it was 17 | 20:27 |
| n800n | oh nm | 20:27 |
| mancha | X-Fade, i see. does the devel team of the openssh port know about the security flaw? | 20:27 |
| X-Fade | mancha: I'll ask him. | 20:27 |
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| X-Fade | mancha: It is just a community member doing that, so ;) | 20:28 |
| mancha | ah, i am new to this, still figuring out how this is all organized. | 20:28 |
| X-Fade | mancha: And on your tablet the problem probably won't be that bad ;) | 20:29 |
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| mancha | if maemo is affected then the session key would also be weak which means any outgoing (or incoming) ssh chat could be easily sniffed | 20:30 |
| X-Fade | mancha: Yep. | 20:30 |
| X-Fade | But that would require MITM and that is always a bit more difficult than public key ssh login compromises. | 20:31 |
| Navi | Eh | 20:32 |
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| cjohnson | Does anyone know where I could get fdisk for maemo? | 20:34 |
| RST38h | back | 20:35 |
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| mancha | i guess it depends on whether he ported it from openssh stock or debian. i'll wait to hear before installing. is there a list for openssh discussion? | 20:41 |
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| _berto_ | try to download openssl from the maemo repo and read the changelog | 20:44 |
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| n800n | nice, 16 | 20:45 |
| n800n | http://www.kahvi.org/images/10years_small.gif | 20:46 |
| n800n | quality free | 20:46 |
| Gracana | haha | 20:47 |
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| * penguinbait slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout | 20:54 | |
| smackpotato | should i bike or should i goof off with my n810 | 20:55 |
| penguinbait | both? | 20:55 |
| ||cw | turn on the gps and do both | 20:55 |
| penguinbait | some excuse to try to make the GPS work | 20:55 |
| cjohnson | In the n800, which memory device is internal vs. external? | 20:56 |
| cjohnson | mmcblk0 and mmcblk1, which is which | 20:56 |
| smackpotato | when ever i use gps i end up in some farmers field | 20:56 |
| penguinbait | On my n800 mmc1 is external and mmc2 in internal | 20:57 |
| cjohnson | not the mount points, the devices themselves | 20:57 |
| cjohnson | i have both unmounted | 20:57 |
| penguinbait | mmc1 = 0 mmc2 =1 | 20:57 |
| cjohnson | alright thanks :D | 20:57 |
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| penguinbait | thats only if both have cards | 20:58 |
| cjohnson | they do | 20:59 |
| cjohnson | but they're both 2GB so I couldn't really figure out which was which | 20:59 |
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| penguinbait | what are you trying to do? | 20:59 |
| cjohnson | Extend my filesystem again | 21:00 |
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| cjohnson | I can't get my one partition to mount though :( | 21:00 |
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| cjohnson | nevermind I'd forgotten to give the partitions filesystems :P | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | that would help | 21:01 |
| cjohnson | haha | 21:01 |
| penguinbait | I made a deb to partition, and clone the OS for you | 21:02 |
| penguinbait | but you have no control over filesystem sizes | 21:02 |
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| cjohnson | well as long as it works with a 2GB SD card then I'd appreciate it :D | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | on 2GB card, it makes 128mb fat, at the beginning and 128mb swap at the end, and a 1.5gb ext2 in the middle | 21:03 |
| cjohnson | oooh | 21:03 |
| cjohnson | I like that | 21:03 |
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| cjohnson | Can I have it? | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 | 21:03 |
| n800n | what ahout the other 256 | 21:03 |
| n800n | thief | 21:04 |
| penguinbait | ok, I cant add | 21:04 |
| penguinbait | its about 1.7 in the middle | 21:04 |
| cjohnson | It uses the remaining space for the middle i'm assuming | 21:04 |
| cjohnson | Will it use the internal flash card over the external? | 21:05 |
| penguinbait | it will partiton any size card, and uses percentages to create the swap and fat the left over goes to ext2 | 21:05 |
| penguinbait | it will use either, but you can only have 1 sd card installed when you run it | 21:05 |
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| n800n | what would it be for 16 gb | 21:05 |
| penguinbait | 500/14.X/500 | 21:06 |
| cjohnson | 12.5%, 75%, 12.5% probably | 21:06 |
| penguinbait | roughly | 21:06 |
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| penguinbait | no wait, I think it would be 1000/13.5/1000 | 21:06 |
| penguinbait | but yes cj the % is actully correct | 21:07 |
| cjohnson | How can I right click and save as from the n800 itself? | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | tap on the screen next to the link, then tap and hold on the link | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | selct save target as | 21:07 |
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| cjohnson | man | 21:08 |
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| penguinbait | troubles? | 21:08 |
| cjohnson | I'd been saving them to my desktop then sending via web server to the n800 | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 21:08 |
| n800n | hehe | 21:08 |
| cjohnson | because some deb files would try topen in the browser lol | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | yop it just displays the text, they should fix that | 21:09 |
| cjohnson | it's up to your server | 21:09 |
| cjohnson | i think anyway | 21:09 |
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| cjohnson | does it send a different mime type? | 21:09 |
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| cjohnson | I just used my webserver to send it and force a download | 21:10 |
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| penguinbait | hmm? | 21:10 |
| cjohnson | odd | 21:11 |
| thopiekar | hi @ all | 21:11 |
| cjohnson | I tried opening it in the application manager, and it said 0 KB download, corrupt file | 21:11 |
| cjohnson | redownloading... | 21:11 |
| penguinbait | hmm, should be about 4.8 MB | 21:12 |
| cjohnson | yeah, the .deb is 4.8MB | 21:12 |
| cjohnson | but the application manager says | 21:12 |
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| cjohnson | Install application? install-tools.deb 0kB | 21:12 |
| cjohnson | Unable to install install-tools.deb. Installation file corrupted. | 21:12 |
| thopiekar | if you want you can download it from my ftp-server | 21:13 |
| thopiekar | there are the debs I used | 21:13 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | penguinbait is pretty slow, but solid, I just downloaded it fine? | 21:13 |
| cjohnson | I dunno. File Manager reports it as 4.8MB | 21:13 |
| cjohnson | how can i make an md5 checksum? | 21:14 |
| penguinbait | get md5sum | 21:14 |
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| penguinbait | I copy it over from SDK and use it in KDE installer | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | copied | 21:15 |
| cjohnson | What repository is md5sum in? | 21:15 |
| cjohnson | I'm on windows for my desktop by the way | 21:15 |
| penguinbait | not sure it is in one | 21:15 |
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| penguinbait | I am double checking the deb now | 21:16 |
| cjohnson | alright | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | when loading in application manager it says 5.0MB | 21:16 |
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| penguinbait | you also must install this from flash, do not save it to and SD card | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | you also must install this from flash, do not save it to "any" SD card | 21:17 |
| thopiekar | if you wanna compare ftp://thopiekar.homelinux.com user: KDEos2008 pw: kde | 21:17 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | thopiekar, that has install-tools.deb? | 21:17 |
| thopiekar | not just the easy install debs... | 21:18 |
| thopiekar | i was unable to install install-tools.deb, too. | 21:18 |
| cjohnson | I got it | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | something got messed up | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | I was saving it to internal flash | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | but through n800 | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | I just did the same thing | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | saved from windows | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | put in web server | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | and saved to n800 from there | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | installing now | 21:19 |
| cjohnson | would have just been wireless here, but i dunno...i downloaded it twice | 21:19 |
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| cjohnson | oh well | 21:19 |
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| cjohnson | Unable to install install-tools :'( | 21:20 |
| cjohnson | Is there a log somewhere? | 21:20 |
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| penguinbait | 1 sec | 21:20 |
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| penguinbait | yes the Log is in the Menu | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | Tools > Log | 21:21 |
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| penguinbait | does it show up and say 5MB when installing? | 21:21 |
| cjohnson | yes | 21:21 |
| penguinbait | you only have 1 SD card installed? | 21:21 |
| cjohnson | 2 | 21:22 |
| penguinbait | you can only run it with one installed | 21:22 |
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| penguinbait | it will find it and clone to it | 21:22 |
| penguinbait | also Virtual memory can not be enabled on the card you want to install to | 21:22 |
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| cjohnson | that already is | 21:22 |
| thopiekar | <is somebody, how has experience with "compiling" kernel modules??> | 21:22 |
| thopiekar | <*is there> | 21:23 |
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| penguinbait | doen it a couple time for maemo | 21:23 |
| penguinbait | done | 21:23 |
| penguinbait | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've done it a few times but alas I cannot do it now :/ | 21:24 |
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| penguinbait | cj? status? | 21:24 |
| cjohnson | installing | 21:25 |
| thopiekar | thanks for the link and kde^^ pb | 21:25 |
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| penguinbait | it takes about 5 min | 21:25 |
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| penguinbait | you should be hearing Linus Torvalds voice soon | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, are compiling modules that are part of kernel or 3rd party modules? | 21:27 |
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| thopiekar | i want to compile a module for my usblan-adapter | 21:27 |
| thopiekar | *Vivanco Fast Ethernet Adapter | 21:28 |
| penguinbait | Thop, I created a new install method, which sets up boot from SD for you, 1 deb, and 1 deb to install KDE for you (the newer version I put together) | 21:28 |
| cjohnson | It does say Updating, not installing, which I'm assuming is because I was trying to it before | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Have you seen usblan package? It *may* have right module in it | 21:28 |
| cjohnson | Do you foresee a problem with that? | 21:28 |
| penguinbait | thats ok cj | 21:28 |
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| penguinbait | its just because it failed the forst time | 21:29 |
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| cjohnson | This is so much easier than the other methods haha | 21:29 |
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| penguinbait | HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting | 21:29 |
| penguinbait | I love that thread title | 21:29 |
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| penguinbait | NOT ANYMORE its not | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | o rly | 21:30 |
| penguinbait | yes really | 21:30 |
| thopiekar | penguinbait, can you please upload the deb, if it is "bugless" | 21:30 |
| thopiekar | ^^ | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no wai!!! | 21:30 |
| penguinbait | upload it where? | 21:30 |
| thopiekar | ftp://thopiekar.homelinux.com user:KDEos2008 pw:kde | 21:31 |
| penguinbait | to your FTP? | 21:31 |
| thopiekar | yes^^ | 21:31 |
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| thopiekar | you can use it then as a mirror^^ | 21:32 |
| cjohnson | Ok I heard him | 21:32 |
| cjohnson | Reboot? | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | yup | 21:32 |
| cjohnson | Then it will just boot off my internal SD card? | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | thop, all I have in front of me is vista, with IE running | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | you can get all three debs at penguinbait.com | 21:32 |
| cjohnson | Boot from mmc2 failed, booting from flash .. | 21:32 |
| thopiekar | thxx | 21:33 |
| penguinbait | did the menu show the available card? | 21:33 |
| cjohnson | Yeah | 21:33 |
| cjohnson | I hit the center button | 21:33 |
| cjohnson | it said that | 21:33 |
| penguinbait | and it was mmc2 | 21:33 |
| thopiekar | i'm a little bit confused... | 21:33 |
| cjohnson | and I just booted and he was talking again | 21:34 |
| thopiekar | what's the new package | 21:34 |
| thopiekar | ?? | 21:34 |
| penguinbait | install-tools.deb install-tools-N810e.deb and kde-installer.deb | 21:34 |
| penguinbait | three new debs | 21:34 |
| penguinbait | ok, cj, can reboot and bring up the menu | 21:34 |
| penguinbait | stop and tell me what you see? | 21:35 |
| cjohnson | give me a sec | 21:35 |
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| penguinbait | thop - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 | 21:35 |
| penguinbait | thats the clone deb thread | 21:35 |
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| cjohnson | Internal Flash; Internal MMC card, partition 2, ext2; (EXTERNAL SD CARD N/A); Power off (when not on charger); | 21:36 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19675 | 21:36 |
| penguinbait | that is the kde-installer thread | 21:36 |
| penguinbait | ok, and you select Internal card, right | 21:36 |
| cjohnson | Yup | 21:36 |
| penguinbait | and it fails and boots to flash | 21:37 |
| penguinbait | right | 21:37 |
| cjohnson | then it flash something about mmc2 real quick, now says Boot from mmc2 failed, booting from flash ... | 21:37 |
| penguinbait | ok | 21:37 |
| penguinbait | Sometime the partition wont work until after a reboot | 21:37 |
| cjohnson | This is the second time I've rebooted | 21:37 |
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| penguinbait | if you remove the package and reinstall it one more time, it should be working | 21:37 |
| penguinbait | This happens only sometime with some cards, the first time you partitions them | 21:38 |
| cjohnson | dpkg -r install-tools ? | 21:38 |
| penguinbait | or using the application manager, either way | 21:38 |
| cjohnson | that could have been it, I know the card was partitioned already from my own attempts | 21:39 |
| penguinbait | Just so you know, once installed, when you boot to flash, it will fsck all cards in all slots, then play the Linus Torvalds wav when complete | 21:39 |
| penguinbait | you can also see fsck output in /tmp/fsck.txt | 21:40 |
| n800n | heh nice | 21:40 |
| cjohnson | Ah, as sort of an alert to let me know I'm in the wrong one? | 21:40 |
| cjohnson | Or just because you wanna | 21:40 |
| penguinbait | No, see if you are booting from SD, everytime your system crashes, or battery taken out or whatever, you SHOULD run fsck to avoid filesystem corruption | 21:41 |
| penguinbait | this is just an automated way to fix that isse. | 21:41 |
| penguinbait | boot to flash, hear wav, boot back to SD | 21:41 |
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| penguinbait | saves you the hassle of bringing up xterm and doing it manually | 21:42 |
| penguinbait | it has to be done while its not booted to the SD card | 21:42 |
| cjohnson | so if I get a system crash or take out the battery, you suggest me to boot to flash, then after the wav reboot back to SD as normal? | 21:42 |
| penguinbait | yup | 21:42 |
| cjohnson | ah | 21:42 |
| cjohnson | smart | 21:42 |
| penguinbait | lazy :) | 21:43 |
| penguinbait | Trust me everything I do benefits me :) | 21:43 |
| cjohnson | well everybody else as well though | 21:43 |
| penguinbait | yeah, but thats not important ;) | 21:44 |
| penguinbait | still installing? | 21:45 |
| cjohnson | yeah | 21:45 |
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| cjohnson | and "Installing" this time, not "Updating" :D | 21:45 |
| cjohnson | I have a good feeling | 21:45 |
| penguinbait | you already had bootmenu installed before installing the first time right? | 21:45 |
| cjohnson | now | 21:45 |
| cjohnson | no* | 21:45 |
| cjohnson | The only thing I had done was partition the SD card | 21:46 |
| penguinbait | ok, just wondering | 21:46 |
| cjohnson | I was trying to mount it to make sure it worked | 21:46 |
| penguinbait | did you have reason to believe it might not work? or is it new? | 21:47 |
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| cjohnson | to believe what might not work? | 21:47 |
| penguinbait | the card/mount? | 21:47 |
| cjohnson | no, i was just testing it | 21:47 |
| cjohnson | it's new | 21:47 |
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| thopiekar | hey penguinbait.. is just one deb required to install kde!? | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | one deb, once you are booting from SD | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | yes | 21:49 |
| penguinbait | the install-tools.deb clones 800 either slot or 810 internal, the install-tools-N810e.deb clones to external SD card on 810 only | 21:50 |
| thopiekar | wow... without any other packages... like the KDE3**.tar.bz on easy install?? | 21:50 |
| penguinbait | yup | 21:51 |
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| cjohnson | he's amazing | 21:51 |
| penguinbait | it even downloads the KDE tarball, does md5sum and installs | 21:51 |
| thopiekar | yes he roxx^^ | 21:51 |
| cjohnson | WOOT | 21:51 |
| thopiekar | !?^^ | 21:51 |
| cjohnson | Booting from mmc2 (mmcblk0p2 ext2) | 21:51 |
| penguinbait | I was getting sick of the crappy hosting, so I found a way around my problem | 21:51 |
| cjohnson | I love you :D:D:D | 21:52 |
| cjohnson | In a total heterosexual way of course | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | sweet, easy as pie | 21:52 |
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| penguinbait | Yeah thats scary from "see johnson" | 21:52 |
| cjohnson | there | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | no thanks :) | 21:52 |
| thopiekar | so what deb package do I need to install KDE on the internal slot?? | 21:52 |
| thopiekar | on the N800 | 21:52 |
| octal_sio | \j #freenet | 21:53 |
| cjohnson | haha | 21:53 |
| octal_sio | -_- blah | 21:53 |
| cjohnson | So here's a more general question (2 actually) | 21:53 |
| penguinbait | is 800 already booting from SD on internal slot? | 21:53 |
| cjohnson | 1: Do you have a suggestion for positioning my desktop applets just right? I can't get it with my thumb, it moves as soon as I lift my thumb | 21:53 |
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| cjohnson | 2: Is there a way to rotate the display? | 21:53 |
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| penguinbait | 1, not sure? | 21:54 |
| cjohnson | I figured | 21:54 |
| cjohnson | I can't get it though, I tried for like 10 minutes haha | 21:54 |
| thopiekar | no i've go the easy install method on my n800.. | 21:54 |
| penguinbait | 2 the sliderotate package will allow KDE to bu turned upside down, but not sideways (cleanly) | 21:54 |
| penguinbait | thop, if you are running the easy install method, you need to completely remove it before installing this way | 21:55 |
| penguinbait | sorry | 21:55 |
| penguinbait | perhaps wait for the next OS upgrade, it must be coming shortly? | 21:55 |
| n800n | you think? | 21:56 |
| penguinbait | ??? | 21:56 |
| cjohnson | what about without kde? is there any for hildon? | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | seems like its been a while, must be something coming? perhaps not? | 21:57 |
| n800n | you think so? | 21:57 |
| thopiekar | ok then i format my sd-card... and then?? | 21:57 |
| penguinbait | thers no telling | 21:57 |
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| penguinbait | you have to remove the easy install debs | 21:58 |
| penguinbait | all of them | 21:58 |
| penguinbait | reverse order they were installed | 21:58 |
| thopiekar | don't i have to reflash my n800?? i read it anywhere in your howto's | 21:59 |
| thopiekar | ... | 21:59 |
| thopiekar | ?? | 21:59 |
| penguinbait | then you just need to place the one SD card in either slot, and run install-tools.deb | 21:59 |
| penguinbait | how big is your card thop? | 21:59 |
| thopiekar | 2GB | 21:59 |
| penguinbait | then yes probably | 21:59 |
| thopiekar | ok | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | it will install on a 2GB card, but if you have a bunch of apps, KDE wont have enought room to finish install on a 2 gig card | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | if its a fresh flash, the 2gb card will be fine, and KDE will fit, after its wdone installing it will leave you about 330MB for other apps | 22:00 |
| thopiekar | this will take a time ... backup my files and email.. i will feedback if it works | 22:01 |
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| thopiekar | ok.. | 22:01 |
| penguinbait | Yes. please post any issues or success | 22:01 |
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| cjohnson | penguinbait, How can I access my external card from windows? I connect the n800 with usb cable, and windows gives serious looking errors about the disk, and maemo says "Unable to connect via USB. Memory cards in use: Internal... External..." | 22:03 |
| n800n | card reader, i think i had that too | 22:04 |
| cjohnson | I have no card reader anywhere :( | 22:04 |
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| penguinbait | only the in use partition should be not available | 22:05 |
| penguinbait | the 128mb fat partitions should be accessible | 22:05 |
| penguinbait | none of them can be seem in windows? | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, check fanoush's site. you cannot mount partitions kde is running off but you can mount others | 22:05 |
| cjohnson | penguinbait, Correct, none can be seen | 22:05 |
| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, I don't have KDE | 22:06 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Ah but you are using mmc boot? | 22:06 |
| cjohnson | I want to mount the external SD card, which is empty and not really being used | 22:06 |
| cjohnson | yes | 22:06 |
| penguinbait | so boot from SD is running on /dev/mmcblk0p2, but /dev/mmcblk0p1 should be able to mount | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cjohnson, check fanoush's site | 22:06 |
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| cjohnson | penguinbait, I want to mount mmcblk1 | 22:07 |
| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, will do | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | no you want to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | he mentions thread with fixes for usb mounting | 22:07 |
| cjohnson | yeah that's what i mean | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | not mmcblk1 | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | ok | 22:07 |
| penguinbait | cj, mine also error on IT, but if I go to my computer, I can see partitions as removeable disk | 22:08 |
| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, to make sure I'm reading what you mean, this is going to have me edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-umount.sh right? | 22:08 |
| penguinbait | mine are unmounting fine | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | and remounting when I reconnect | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes. afair | 22:09 |
| cjohnson | penguinbait, They show up as letters in My Computer, but whenever I try to open them it says insert disk | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | how many cards are inserted | 22:09 |
| thopiekar | back to the kernel-compiling... i've got a problem in "Getting Kernel Sources" point 2... | 22:09 |
| thopiekar | [sbox-MaemoKernel: ~] > apt-get update | 22:10 |
| thopiekar | bash: apt-get: command not found | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | cj, how many cards are inserted | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, don't make new target | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | use chinook_armel | 22:10 |
| thopiekar | why? | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it don't work | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | chinook armel is fine | 22:10 |
| thopiekar | the standart when logging on?? | 22:10 |
| cjohnson | qwerty12_N800, that fixed it, thanks :D | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no problem :) | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | I am still confused | 22:12 |
| penguinbait | oh, well its not the first time | 22:12 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | pb, about what? :) | 22:12 |
| thopiekar | how is the right compiler called?? qwerty12_N800 | 22:12 |
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| kpel | hi | 22:13 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, no idea. Chinook armel target works, i didn't have to mess around with compilers | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 22:13 |
| thopiekar | *( I installed all available in Synaptic | 22:13 |
| thopiekar | but i need to change the right target, back.. | 22:14 |
| thopiekar | the sb-menu wants me now to select one.. | 22:14 |
| thopiekar | I'm at a loss what to do. | 22:16 |
| penguinbait | sb-conf select CHINOOK_ARMEL | 22:16 |
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| thopiekar | it works^^ .. big thanks | 22:17 |
| thopiekar | yeah! | 22:18 |
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| penguinbait | something smells fishy! | 22:20 |
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| thopiekar | supper? | 22:21 |
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| n800n | python | 22:30 |
| cjohnson | So which mapping program is it that everybody seems to suggest over the other? | 22:31 |
| cjohnson | I want to install that, and just get the maps for Ohio | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | maemo mapper or what? | 22:32 |
| cjohnson | I dunno, I remember reading quit a few times where people say X program sucks, and Y is awesome | 22:32 |
| thopiekar | penguinbait , are you there?? | 22:32 |
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| flo_lap | re | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 22:33 |
| thopiekar | or qwerty12... | 22:33 |
| n800n | i got nokia maps | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | which package do i have to download?? | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | http://www.asix.com.tw/download.php?sub=driverdetail&PItemID=86 | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | checking... | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | "Linux 2.6.141.0.52007-09-26 For Linux kernel 2.6.14 ~ 2.6.22"? | 22:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 2.6.14 | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | thxx | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | where do i have to unzip the files?? | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | * into sb?? | 22:35 |
| Gracana | Stupid xsession scripts. They seem to act different on every system, and they never act the way I would expect. | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | ?! | 22:36 |
| * Gracana finally kludged something together that works | 22:36 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, yes | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | whats the path to sb?? | 22:37 |
| Jon | does anyone know if the ssh packages at maemo.org are updated or if they were exempt from the debian stuff? | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /scratchbox/users/<user name>/home/<user name> | 22:38 |
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| thopiekar | thanks again ;) | 22:39 |
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| thopiekar | when using the make command... how can i set up the path of the sources? | 22:40 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, post me error message | 22:41 |
| thopiekar | i have none... my just asking foreward^^ | 22:41 |
| Jon | I don't understand the question | 22:42 |
| Jon | do you mean, the library and include paths for your C source? | 22:42 |
| Jon | the defaults should be correct | 22:42 |
| Jon | if you are chrooted into the scratchox environment properly | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thopiekar, I cannot remember. i symlinked the kernel source to a folder in /usr/include | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | just read make error to see where exactly to link to | 22:43 |
| thopiekar | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/AX88772] > make | 22:45 |
| balrog-k1n | how do you force a n810 to power down/reset without plucking out the battery? | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/thopiekar/AX88772 modules | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/build: No such file or directory. Stop. | 22:45 |
| thopiekar | make: *** [default] Error 2 | 22:45 |
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| thopiekar | how can i fix this? | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | symlink your rx-34 kernel source folder to that folder mentioned | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I have no idea of your set-up so i cannot give exact cmd lines | 22:46 |
| thopiekar | how is the command to "symlink"?? | 22:46 |
| balrog-k1n | man ln | 22:47 |
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| Jon | what are you building? | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | my battery is low so i may drop out :/ | 22:47 |
| Jon | you don't build kernel modules with "make", generally, you need to supply arguments | 22:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | balrog-k1n, power button works for me. but halt, shutdown are available from root | 22:48 |
| balrog-k1n | qwerty12_N800: the problem is maemo isn't booted, i was counting on some button combination RETU recognises in hardware | 22:49 |
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| Jon | http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | balrog-k1n, ah. I've never found way to do that :/ | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I should modify bootmenu to do that sometime... | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | qwerty12_N800 | 22:50 |
| balrog-k1n | ok, i removed the battery :) | 22:50 |
| thopiekar | the sources are stored in ~/maemo_kernel/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0 | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :) | 22:51 |
| balrog-k1n | whoah, it can flash the LEDs using backup battery apparently | 22:51 |
| thopiekar | like in the howto | 22:51 |
| thopiekar | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html | 22:51 |
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| scibot | You know, GIMP is still pretty easy to use without being hildonised. =/ | 22:59 |
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| practisevoodoo | can you enable the webcam in skype on the n810? | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | not with current version | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some day.. | 23:17 |
| practisevoodoo | what about pidgin? | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | i only know that gizmo can drive it | 23:18 |
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| thopiekar | cu @all | 23:20 |
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| RST38h | http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=17569&AUTHOR_ID= | 23:23 |
| RST38h | Umgh. | 23:23 |
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| zap | Is there some way to force N810 to look as a Ethernet-over-USB gadget rather than a mass storage device? | 23:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "the most attractive women in our government," | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :/ | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | zap: google for usb-net ? | 23:26 |
| ReKlipz | is there anyway to ditch the maemo ui and run straight gnome on a device running maemo 4? | 23:26 |
| zap | KotCzarny: I know the underlying details (e.g. rmmod g_file_storage; modprobe g_ether), but it looks like when I insert the USB cable, g_file_storage is autoloaded back | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | rst: the last paragraph is the best | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | "compared to other State women, Ms. Stewart is considered a centerfold!" | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:28 |
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| zap | Umm, I can't find how to use the hildon-status-bar-usb package? | 23:36 |
| zap | can't find it either in Control Panel or on the status ba | 23:36 |
| zap | r | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Kot: A centerfold indeed. | 23:37 |
| ReKlipz | anyone have any success running a ui other than the maemo ui on the n810? | 23:40 |
| zap | Is there any reason to do that? | 23:41 |
| zap | Maemo is the best UI I have seen for pocket devices | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: yes, debian | 23:41 |
| ReKlipz | well, maybe you can help me then. | 23:41 |
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| thopiekar | hi @ all | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: or less radical, kde | 23:42 |
| thopiekar | pinguinbait are you there | 23:42 |
| thopiekar | ??? | 23:42 |
| ReKlipz | KotCzarny: anyway I can get a development environment for that or do i need the device? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: i don't understand the question | 23:43 |
| ReKlipz | well, I don't have the device, i'm currently using the sdk and scratchbox and xephyr | 23:44 |
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| ReKlipz | KotCzarny: aka, is the only way to develop and test for that to actually put debian on the device, and then test on it, or can i setup some sort of environment on my pc? (other than the debian os that is running... | 23:45 |
| penguinbait | hehy | 23:45 |
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| penguinbait | whats up | 23:45 |
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| thopiekar | the install-tools.deb seems to be corrupt | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: no | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: you can do in any way you like | 23:45 |
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| penguinbait | why do you think this? | 23:45 |
| thopiekar | *that's what my packagemanager says | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: it's a nearly regular linux box | 23:46 |
| penguinbait | it says its corrupt? | 23:46 |
| ReKlipz | well, can i get your opinion/ideas on a project that I'm working on? | 23:46 |
| thopiekar | size to install: 0KB | 23:46 |
| penguinbait | redownload | 23:46 |
| penguinbait | it shoudl say 5MB | 23:46 |
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| KotCzarny | reklipz: if you are asking me, then answer is not now | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | i got up only recently | 23:47 |
| ReKlipz | KotCzarny: ah i see | 23:48 |
| thopiekar | ok 1min plz | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe, i'll be going to sleep soon | 23:48 |
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| ReKlipz | We need to make a device that will be used in the field to catalog information (simple measurements. lengths, temperature, the like.). Basically, the user needs to be limited to one fullscreen application, where they can create and edit records, and thats it. Is there an easy way to do that with os2008? I was thinking about just installing debian, installing x, and then running a single app that fills the whole screen, basically a replacement for maemo, | 23:50 |
| thopiekar | pinguinbait , i redownload but... it says 0KB | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | reklipz: pygtk | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | you can do it in maemo | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you know python or willing to learn | 23:51 |
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| thopiekar | i will try now the *.deb i downloaded ~ 2h ago... | 23:51 |
| ReKlipz | KotCzarny: I plan on writing the app in c++, but I dont see the need to run it on top of maemo is all. | 23:51 |
| Navi | You're not limited to just pygtk | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | but pygtk is simpliest and fastest approach | 23:52 |
| Navi | ReKlipz, if you care about battery life, run it on top of maemo | 23:52 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: why's that? | 23:52 |
| Blafasel | hrhr.. Whoever suggested me to explosm here lately: Thanks a lot. Really. http://explosm.net/comics/887/ made my day, weekend and the rest of May ;) | 23:52 |
| Navi | The power saving components are proprietary | 23:53 |
| Navi | Debian drains the battery all the way down in 2-3 hours | 23:53 |
| ReKlipz | Navi: ouch... | 23:53 |
| Navi | Well, with wifi | 23:53 |
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| Navi | You can limit the screen to just the one fullscreen app though | 23:54 |
| Navi | just have it launch fullscreen and don't bind a fullscreen toggle to a button :P | 23:55 |
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| n800n | is explosm british? | 23:56 |
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