| ricko73 | Blastur: yes, ssh works well | 00:00 |
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| Blastur | excellent | 00:00 |
| johnx | Blastur, ssh is one click away (more like 5...but whatever) | 00:00 |
| acydlord | but if you wait till the wimax n810 is out if they have wimax in your area that solves your 3g problem with 4g | 00:00 |
| Blastur | wimax doesn't seem too big here in sweden :) | 00:00 |
| johnx | Blafasel, can you imagine holding an n810 to your head in a way that let you speak into the mic? | 00:00 |
| ricko73 | we won't have wimax here any sooner than ATT will have good data coverage (which is why I stopped using my e61i) | 00:00 |
| Blastur | can i plugin a headset? if i want to do skype calls etc | 00:01 |
| acydlord | we will have wimax where im at here in august | 00:01 |
| Blastur | mic/headphones etc | 00:01 |
| ricko73 | johnx: I've found the voip support to be acceptable on the included headset | 00:01 |
| Blastur | oh, it includes a headset? | 00:01 |
| johnx | yes | 00:01 |
| Blastur | bluetooth or? | 00:02 |
| johnx | I use a bluetooth headset for skype | 00:02 |
| acydlord | wired | 00:02 |
| ricko73 | Yeah. Nokia got this device mostly right | 00:02 |
| johnx | it includes a wired headset, but bt headsets work | 00:02 |
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| acydlord | johnx, does the bt headset have the volume limiting problem? | 00:02 |
| ricko73 | it includes a wired headset, the car mount, special usb cable and home charger | 00:02 |
| Blastur | and the browser is working well? i mean, usually on these tiny devices you get poor javascript support and rendering capabilities.. i see that they advertise 'web 2.0', but whats you opinion on this? | 00:03 |
| Blastur | (or experience) | 00:03 |
| johnx | acydlord, volume limiting problem | 00:03 |
| johnx | ? | 00:03 |
| johnx | the volume seems fine here | 00:03 |
| acydlord | the wired headset knocks the volume down several db | 00:03 |
| johnx | Blastur, the browser is pretty darn good. Not as fast as on a desktop or laptop of course | 00:04 |
| ricko73 | volume output could be better. I notice that when inputting into my car stereo | 00:04 |
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| johnx | and some really fancy sites are pretty slow, such as google maps | 00:04 |
| ricko73 | must have the car stereo much louder than normal to listen to podcasts | 00:04 |
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| Blastur | ricko73: well, im used to browsing the web on a cheap ass V360 motorola phone using Opera Mini .. if it does it better than that, im good :) | 00:04 |
| acydlord | yeah, i have to have the volume all the way up in a quiet setting to hear skype with the headset plugged in | 00:04 |
| elb | I noticed that with my 810, I assumed it was my FM dongle | 00:05 |
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| Blafasel | johnx: Actually no, but using one of those really nice bluetooth headsets from Nokia? YES! ;) | 00:05 |
| liquid217 | Blastur: As someone who has used opera mini, and microb both... there is no comparison.. microb is a great browser | 00:05 |
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| Blafasel | Anyway: Nice to see that most/all owners in here talk about deficiencies, admitting that the device has flaws. No stupid "Greatest thing EVA" comments | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it's very nice | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | i like the free sdk | 00:07 |
| Navi | The iPhone is the GREATEST THING EVA | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | and ability to compile most software for linux out of the box | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:07 |
| Blastur | right now its n810 vs eee for me.. but the n810 seems so much more suitable for me, given its extremly small size | 00:07 |
| ricko73 | Blastur: different device class imo | 00:08 |
| elb | I don't really see the n810 and the eee in the same space | 00:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, now i want to stab you for saying that | 00:08 |
| Navi | I'm already dead | 00:08 |
| Navi | GA stabbed me to a billion pieces, remember? | 00:08 |
| acydlord | the eee doesnt fit in your pocket :p | 00:08 |
| Blafasel | I own both, they are not easily comparable. | 00:08 |
| elb | can you stab a fairy to death? | 00:08 |
| Navi | Hey! I'll just come back. | 00:08 |
| elb | a freaking annoying ass fairy | 00:09 |
| elb | which I have tried to stab multiple times | 00:09 |
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| elb | Hey! Listen! | 00:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmao. navi's all sweetness ^-^ | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | elb: raid | 00:10 |
| elb | until there's a monster that hangs from the ceiling | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:10 |
| elb | KotCzarny: hah have you seen that Exploitation Now? | 00:10 |
| Navi | elb, have you seen the Powerpuff Girls spoof on Zelda? | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:10 |
| elb | Navi: heh no | 00:11 |
| Navi | elb, http://youtube.com/watch?v=FTVkOyp1vxI | 00:11 |
| Navi | It's great | 00:11 |
| Navi | :D | 00:11 |
| elb | hmmm the EN archives don't seem to be searchable | 00:12 |
| elb | anyway, it's a moogle pointing a can of bug spray at a fairy and commanding her to "shake her yam-yams" | 00:12 |
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| Navi | heh | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | btw. your earlier method (stabbing in the a**) invokes some interracial pr0n images | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:14 |
| ricko73 | what's the code name for the latest release? | 00:16 |
| ricko73 | Chinook? | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | but diablo is just round the corner | 00:16 |
| acydlord | just around the corner, tentitavely | 00:16 |
| ricko73 | sometimes that's a long corner | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | some people already run it | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:17 |
| Blafasel | You know that fairies are evil after this: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=74 | 00:17 |
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| Navi | Yeah, I've read that | 00:19 |
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| Navi | Next meeting would probably be better moderated | 00:24 |
| Navi | assuming there is a next | 00:24 |
| acydlord | yeah | 00:26 |
| acydlord | like a pastebin for the questions ahead of time | 00:26 |
| Navi | ... | 00:27 |
| Navi | Or taking advantage of IRC moderation features :/ | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:28 |
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| * qwerty12-rollin is hacking diablo repo. i figured out how this user and p/w is calculated, just got to base64 encode a cookie and see if it works. | 00:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad boy! :P | 00:36 |
| qwerty12-rollin | It's actually publicly documented by the same guy we've both fucked over :p | 00:36 |
| Navi | :P | 00:36 |
| qwerty12-rollin | no one has realised it tho | 00:36 |
| Navi | haxor | 00:37 |
| Navi | goes away! | 00:37 |
| Navi | Public channel! | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | that's what you've got for dealing with hax0rz | 00:37 |
| qwerty12-rollin | I used no hacking tools ;) | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | google is a hacking tool | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | didn't you know? | 00:37 |
| qwerty12-rollin | like i said, it's documented ;) ;p | 00:37 |
| qwerty12-rollin | i used common sense and put 2+2 together | 00:38 |
| qwerty12-rollin | if i cant figure it out, i'll let you in on it ;p | 00:39 |
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| * qwerty12-rollin feels sorry for mvo once again | 00:40 | |
| KotCzarny | mvo? | 00:40 |
| qwerty12-rollin | marius vollmer | 00:40 |
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| MajMin7 | so im kinda surprised to see that, in maemo-mapper, they use a socket to communicate with the GPSD. | 00:48 |
| MajMin7 | is this the typical method? | 00:49 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | KotCzarny, want me to check something repo? ;) | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 00:57 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | remember that pwd'ed repo with pron in it :p | 00:57 |
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| KotCzarny | the one some people have mirrored? | 00:58 |
| qwerty12-rollin | nah, dnt worry :) | 00:59 |
| Navi | My upload speed is as slow as johnx's | 00:59 |
| Navi | :P | 00:59 |
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| Navi | What happened to the other people that were mirroring? | 00:59 |
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| johnx | Navi, haven't given them the link yet | 00:59 |
| johnx | have been distracted by breakfast :P | 00:59 |
| Navi | :P | 00:59 |
| Navi | Give the slowest the download link first eh? | 00:59 |
| Navi | I need the head start. | 01:00 |
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| lardman | mm, breakfast; only 8 hours away | 01:06 |
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| johnx | lardman, I live in the future! breakfast is now. :D | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx and his dirty damn timezone lies. . . . | 01:07 |
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| * johnx has a timezone superiority complex :D | 01:10 | |
| KotCzarny | pft | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | i have my personal timezone | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | no one else has the same | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:11 |
| ricko73 | gah, no problems with the upgrad other than now the newly installed Canola doesn't run | 01:11 |
| elb | I assume you believe that Zulu is superior to all others | 01:11 |
| elb | because it is | 01:11 |
| qwerty12-rollin | KotCzarny, moved planet? | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | more like reprogrammed mind | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:12 |
| johnx | I'd like to announce Debian beta3 and then go to sleep, in that order! | 01:12 |
| Blafasel | What's the talk about "mirroring"? | 01:14 |
| Blafasel | What? For whom? | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo update repo. | 01:15 |
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| johnx | debian here: http://debian.i2c3.com | 01:15 |
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| Blafasel | johnx: You need a mirror for that? | 01:16 |
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| johnx | uhm well I've had two people step forward | 01:17 |
| johnx | but the more the merrier :) | 01:17 |
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| lsobral | ricko73, to fix canola you need to disable the extras-devel repository, run canola-cleanup and reinstall canola | 01:17 |
| Blafasel | Ok - won't do it if you don't see a need. | 01:17 |
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| ricko73 | lsobral: in that order or can I run the canola-cleanup first | 01:18 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | KotCzarny, remember http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/ ? i can tell you it is nothing ;) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:18 |
| lsobral | you can run the cleanup first | 01:18 |
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| jdiaz | I'm trying to plug a ps/2 keyboard to the tablet, through a PS/2->USB converter | 01:20 |
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| KotCzarny | jdiaz: watch the power rating | 01:20 |
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| ricko73 | lsobral: I'm not seeing extras-devel | 01:20 |
| jdiaz | KotCzarny, the conection goes through a self-powered hub | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, ok | 01:20 |
| jdiaz | lsusb shows the device | 01:21 |
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| lsobral | ricko73, you don't have extras-devel in your repository list? | 01:21 |
| jdiaz | it is listed as a Human Interface Device (Keyboard) | 01:21 |
| jdiaz | however, I type and nothing appears | 01:21 |
| ricko73 | nope. I have maemo Extras, but not extras-devel | 01:21 |
| jdiaz | the same keyboard through the same usb adaptor runs ok in my ubuntu desktop | 01:21 |
| jdiaz | any clue? | 01:21 |
| ricko73 | lsobral: I did have Community Canola Temp which I've now disabled | 01:22 |
| lsobral | ricko73, ok, then try reinstalling canola. | 01:22 |
| lsobral | it the problem persists the run canola -vv from the terminal. this should print some debugging msg | 01:22 |
| ricko73 | lsobral: yeah, when I ran it from the cli there were some python erros | 01:23 |
| ricko73 | errors rather | 01:23 |
| jdiaz | I got a "Unsupported Device" message in the tablet, but I ignored it, because it appears whatever I plug :-) | 01:23 |
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| ricko73 | libeet.so.0 cannot fine open shared object file | 01:23 |
| lsobral | ricko73, yes, that's a known issue | 01:23 |
| ricko73 | lsobral: is there a known fix? | 01:24 |
| lsobral | reinstalling canola without extras-devel should fix your problem | 01:24 |
| ricko73 | well let's see if this works | 01:24 |
| lsobral | ricko73, in case it does not work, stop by #canola | 01:25 |
| ricko73 | will do | 01:25 |
| jdiaz | keyboard leds flashed when plugged, but then remained unlit | 01:25 |
| ricko73 | web browser seems marginally faster with the latest firmware | 01:25 |
| jdiaz | when plugged to the desktop, however, NumLock remains lit | 01:25 |
| jdiaz | and the keyboard works | 01:26 |
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| jdiaz | anyone can make sense of the dmsg log when the keyboard was plugged? | 01:31 |
| jdiaz | it is at http://rafb.net/p/nq4CXk47.html | 01:31 |
| jdiaz | thanks | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | looks like it's ok | 01:32 |
| jdiaz | it looked ok to me too... thanks for answering | 01:33 |
| ricko73 | ack! the extra-devel was called "Maemo testing" or something like that | 01:33 |
| jdiaz | however, the keyboard remains off, and the tablet gets no input from it | 01:34 |
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| jdiaz | in my ubuntu, the output of dmesg is a lot terser | 01:34 |
| jdiaz | but there is a line: | 01:35 |
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| jdiaz | [6464132.357000] input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Generic USB K/B] on usb-0000:00:1f.2-1.3 | 01:35 |
| jdiaz | [6464132.387000] usbcore: registered new driver usbhid | 01:35 |
| jdiaz | [6464132.387000] drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.01:USB HID core driver | 01:35 |
| jdiaz | this does not appear in the tablet | 01:35 |
| jdiaz | the driver hid-core is not loaded in the tablet | 01:35 |
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| jdiaz | can I insert it manually? | 01:36 |
| pupnik | taking it back to #maemo proper | 01:36 |
| lardman | night chaps | 01:37 |
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| johnx | jdiaz, HID and usb stuff is compiled into the kernel on the tablet, not as a module | 01:37 |
| jdiaz | there is a folder: /sys/module/usbhid/drivers | 01:39 |
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| jdiaz | what means the line in dmesg: | 01:41 |
| jdiaz | [47440.078125] usb 1-1.1: adding 1-1.1:1.1 (config #1, interface 1) | 01:41 |
| jdiaz | does it mean that the keyboard is added as a /dev or something? | 01:42 |
| johnx | probably that's adding a new usb device with the first configuration | 01:42 |
| johnx | it might not be in /dev | 01:42 |
| jdiaz | but should be usable? | 01:42 |
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| johnx | it's possible that the PS/2 <-> USB adapter you're using isn't on the small whitelist of usb devices allowed to work in Nokia's kernel | 01:42 |
| jdiaz | that makes sense | 01:43 |
| jdiaz | because in the desktop pc it does work | 01:43 |
| jdiaz | it was a cheap one, from a chinese shop | 01:43 |
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| jdiaz | however, some kind of error message should be expected in dmesg, doesn't? | 01:44 |
| johnx | I honestly don't know | 01:44 |
| jdiaz | in fact, a message pops out in the tablet "desktop" | 01:44 |
| johnx | it could be demanding too much power as well, and being shut down | 01:44 |
| jdiaz | "USB device not supported" | 01:45 |
| johnx | that message pops up for everything though | 01:45 |
| johnx | my keyboard too | 01:45 |
| jdiaz | yep | 01:45 |
| johnx | except my keyboard works | 01:45 |
| jdiaz | I also tried a truly usb keyboard, and it worked too | 01:45 |
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| Grackle | aw, I can't make a pump with phun | 01:47 |
| Grackle | oops wrong window | 01:47 |
| johnx | O_o | 01:47 |
| qwerty12-rollin | lol | 01:47 |
| qwerty12-rollin | pump? | 01:47 |
| Grackle | http://www.phun.at/ | 01:47 |
| Grackle | It's a cool physics modeling thing | 01:47 |
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| Grackle | like crayon physics but more elaborate | 01:47 |
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| johnx | new Debian beta3 w/ XFCE release out here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 01:48 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | nice | 01:48 |
| qwerty12-rollin | nice | 01:48 |
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| Grackle | oo nice indeed | 01:48 |
| johnx | if you run into problems please add something to the bugs/known issues section of the page | 01:48 |
| johnx | I'm gonna catch some sleep and if it doesn't set anyone's tablet on fire I'll post to ITT when I wake up | 01:49 |
| johnx | anyone have quick questions about it, though? | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sound? | 01:50 |
| johnx | works | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | :drool: | 01:50 |
| johnx | mpd+gmpc+ncmpc+mpc :P | 01:50 |
| johnx | all on by default | 01:50 |
| johnx | call it feature bloat if you want | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Link again? :P | 01:51 |
| qwerty12-rollin | hehe we got them all on maemo cept gmpc = mmpc and navi compiled ncmpc :p | 01:51 |
| Navi | Did I? | 01:51 |
| Navi | johnx, feature bloat! | 01:52 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 01:52 |
| johnx | Navi, fine I'll pull ncmpc :P | 01:52 |
| qwerty12-rollin | Navi, not released it but i remember screenie | 01:52 |
| Navi | johnx, I was just kidding :( | 01:52 |
| Navi | qwerty12-rollin, oh yeah. | 01:52 |
| johnx | Navi, :D | 01:52 |
| Navi | The sidebar xterm with ncmpc | 01:52 |
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| Navi | that was fun | 01:52 |
| qwerty12-rollin | what happened to it? | 01:52 |
| Navi | I reflashed and never set it back up | 01:53 |
| qwerty12-rollin | ah :(, that soon | 01:53 |
| qwerty12-rollin | ? | 01:53 |
| Navi | Diablo upgrade, remember? | 01:54 |
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| Navi | I was stuck without a working modest and browser | 01:54 |
| qwerty12-rollin | oh :( | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | breakfast.. mmm | 01:55 |
| johnx | qwerty12-rollin, speaking of mpd and maemo I can probably point out a way to use mpd in maemo without having to use esd for sound output :) | 01:55 |
| qwerty12-rollin | johnx, cool :). esd is only clean sounding option atm. | 01:55 |
| jdiaz | gotta sleep | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | what about gst? | 01:56 |
| johnx | qwerty12-rollin, yup, was for debian too, til I found another way :D | 01:56 |
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| jdiazZzZz | see you | 01:56 |
| johnx | 'night jdiazZzZz | 01:56 |
| Navi | night | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | day | 01:56 |
| qwerty12-rollin | johnx, nice :) | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | sunny day | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | too sunny for my taste | 01:57 |
| Navi | I need to install fanoush's initfs | 01:57 |
| johnx | yup, maybe I'll do a "one shot" installer later | 01:57 |
| Navi | weird | 01:58 |
| johnx | but for now I think that anyone who is afraid to install fanoush-initfs won't get much out of debian anyways | 01:58 |
| Navi | I already have the file downlaoded | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | afraid | 01:58 |
| Navi | I'm afraid | 01:58 |
| Navi | I'm very afraid | 01:58 |
| johnx | afraid you might like it? | 01:58 |
| Navi | I'm afraid my little brother will steal my N800 and yank the battery out | 01:59 |
| qwerty12-rollin | penguinbait made one shot initfs flasher | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | grey tape | 01:59 |
| johnx | yeah, but I'd like something a little more configurable...also, his clones to sd at the same time IIRC | 01:59 |
| qwerty12-rollin | true but that could be ripped oout | 02:00 |
| johnx | I suppose | 02:01 |
| johnx | I haven't looked at it yet | 02:01 |
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| KotCzarny | i would hate if somthing touched my bootmenu.conf | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | without asking | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:02 |
| johnx | that's why I think two scripts might be nice :) | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | good :) | 02:02 |
| johnx | still, like I said: If you don't want to bother with fanoush initfs then Debian has nothing for you anyways | 02:02 |
| johnx | not at this point anyways | 02:03 |
| qwerty12-rollin | johnx, I would like to use debian but diablo initfs atm | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, i think there could be a way to boot debian using /etc/rc2.d | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:03 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, you're welcome to try | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's a simple chroot anyway | 02:04 |
| johnx | I'm only interested in things that have the maximum reward/effort ratio | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | i did it on redhat/slackware some time ago | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a highly rewarding | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | no initfs messing | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | no reflashing | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | single script to boot into debian from stock os2008 | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:05 |
| johnx | honestly I'd rather mess with initfs which is easy to reflash then mess with people's OS2008 install | 02:05 |
| Navi | johnx, can you configure the keyboard you're using in the screenie? | 02:05 |
| rm_you | :P | 02:05 |
| johnx | configure? how? | 02:05 |
| rm_you | <johnx> I'm only interested in things that have the maximum reward/effort ratio | 02:05 |
| rm_you | we think very alike :P | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: how about 'press dpad to boot into debian or timeout to boot unchanged' | 02:06 |
| rm_you | i spent the last week of my senior project prioritizing on that :P | 02:06 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, right, and if my script screws up then your OS2008 is unbootable | 02:06 |
| johnx | rm_you, it's a good policy | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | how can it screw? | 02:06 |
| rm_you | yeah, fanoush(?)'s initfs thing is great already | 02:06 |
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| rm_you | why mess with it? | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | if dpad pressed, override | 02:06 |
| johnx | I dunno, hang if some file isn't in the right place? | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | if not, do nothing | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | kind of opt-in | 02:07 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, if you want to set that up I won't stop you | 02:07 |
| johnx | but I don't see the point | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | <johnx> but for now I think that anyone who is afraid to install fanoush-initfs | 02:07 |
| johnx | yes, and? | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | and it was just a suggestion | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:08 |
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| johnx | I appreciate the thought, and it might be something worth doing, so definitely give it a try and post it :) | 02:09 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe one day :) | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm happy with bootmenu | 02:10 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | fanoush has a few plans for bootmenu ;) | 02:11 |
| Navi | sexy | 02:11 |
| johnx | Navi, there are other OSKs available for debian IIRC | 02:11 |
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| johnx | I'm gonna try cell writer though :D | 02:12 |
| Navi | mmk | 02:12 |
| Navi | Ooh | 02:12 |
| Navi | HWR? | 02:12 |
| johnx | yup | 02:12 |
| johnx | it will be interesting | 02:12 |
| Navi | very much so | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | nice idea, scanner+ocr+scripting language | 02:13 |
| johnx | I also might turn on some swap or switch desktop environments now :/ | 02:13 |
| Navi | bootloader installed | 02:13 |
| Navi | woo | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, SSU + initfs could be a problematic issue. | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and kernel, too. | 02:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, good point | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to make a preemptive strike on bugzilla? | 02:13 |
| johnx | maybe I'll look at that init script after Diablo official | 02:13 |
| johnx | actually, running kexec from inside maemo is like the best of all possible worlds :) | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/rc2.d way? | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Althought initfs and kernel updates wont be coming fast enough to make it a big issue. | 02:14 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, either in an init script or through some other method | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | desktop icon? | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:15 |
| johnx | desktop icon + sudo + script that runs at the end of rc6.d | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | rc6 is a shutdown | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | bad idea | 02:15 |
| johnx | yeah | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:15 |
| johnx | kexec :) | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the most irritating bug ever. | 02:16 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, eh? | 02:16 |
| johnx | ah | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Text box looks focused, but it's not. | 02:16 |
| johnx | yeah | 02:16 |
| johnx | still happening in diablo? | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., open MicroB, let it load the default homepage | 02:16 |
| johnx | yeah, I know I kind of hate that one... | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | press dpad center to bring up the fullscreen keyboard | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It takes you to google.com | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | press it again | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | it takes you to google.com again. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | You never actually get a keyboard | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually worse in this Diablo release. | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | sound like a broken config | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | sounds | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tapping the field to bring up the vkb STILL takes you to google.com again. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unlike Chinook where it at least gave you the fullscreen keyboard after that. | 02:17 |
| qwerty12-rollin | agreed, when i was reading that file, it was killing my innput method. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe I actually bitched at timeless about it at some point | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recall getting a "UI spec" answer. :\ | 02:18 |
| johnx | Navi, tablet on fire yet? | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i like unhildonized apps + xvkbd | 02:18 |
| Navi | johnx, it totally exploded | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi's always flaming. | 02:18 |
| johnx | awesome! | 02:18 |
| Navi | I need to reformat my SD card ext3 | 02:19 |
| Navi | but I'm being lazy | 02:19 |
| johnx | or ext2 | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ext3 is a good way to burn it out. | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:19 |
| Navi | but it's so fun :P | 02:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's also a good way to make crashes non-catestrophic | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | ga: stop repeating that lie over and over | 02:19 |
| pupnik | what game/emulator are you interested in using it with jdiz? | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi iz teh SD card killer. | 02:19 |
| pupnik | oh sorry stuck in scrollback | 02:19 |
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| Navi | i kno rite | 02:19 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, well it's not good for it at any rate | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: still i have yet to see my flash cards to crap out under ext3 | 02:20 |
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| KotCzarny | and it's few years of continuous use | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | already | 02:21 |
| johnx | yeah, and a lot of people have yet to die driving drunk | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: many died | 02:21 |
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| KotCzarny | and you can find those reports easily | 02:21 |
| Navi | I'm pretty sure that was the point. | 02:21 |
| johnx | that's because a *death* was involved rather than an SD card dying | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | but i haven't seen many bitchings about bad card because of ext3 (with proof) | 02:21 |
| johnx | it's pretty hard to trace the cause of death of a dead SD card | 02:22 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, I'll send you my 512MB SD card. | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx/rm_you, there any working backlight applets for Debian-on-maemo/what would be involved in getting adv-backlight running under xfce? | 02:22 |
| johnx | for all intents and purposes it turns into a piece of plastic | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, navi, but was it ext3 abuse? | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | or something else? :P | 02:22 |
| Navi | No | 02:22 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:22 |
| Navi | I rarely wrote to it | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | then it's not related | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:22 |
| rm_you | GA: duplicating dsme and the init hroot in debian | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | there are bad cars too | 02:22 |
| rm_you | *chroot | 02:22 |
| Navi | Of course it is | 02:22 |
| rm_you | we'd have to use their binaries | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | that can bring death to not drunk people | 02:22 |
| Navi | I was transferring music and it died out halfway | 02:22 |
| johnx | plus, adv-backlight is a hildon-statusbar applet, while xfce wants normal systray applets | 02:23 |
| rm_you | yeah | 02:23 |
| rm_you | i'd have to convert it | 02:23 |
| rm_you | which wouldnt be to bad | 02:23 |
| qwerty12-rollin | what about using fanoush's kernel and blset for time being | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus the question. :P | 02:23 |
| johnx | rm_you, debian has access to initfs anyways | 02:23 |
| rm_you | tho i assume there really ISNT a working way to change the brightness yet | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: you still want systray method for setting it | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:23 |
| johnx | a better option might be the standard gnome backlight app | 02:23 |
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| rm_you | does it work? | 02:23 |
| rm_you | or would we need to mod it | 02:23 |
| johnx | since we can just tweak backlight settings in /sys now | 02:23 |
| rm_you | oh?! | 02:23 |
| johnx | should just need to mod the path | 02:24 |
| rm_you | debian doesnt need the chroot bull@*#($? | 02:24 |
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| johnx | rm_you, well in debian we're not fighting dsme/bme all the time | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: btw. can you charge battery in debian? | 02:24 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, as long as you let bme run from initfs, yes | 02:24 |
| Navi | would kinda suck if you couldn't :P | 02:25 |
| johnx | though it might affect the time it takes to charge...I don't know if something in userland might tell bme "OK, battery is almost empty so charge fast" | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 02:25 |
| johnx | it would be dumb if that was the case...but we are talking about a device with battery charging being in userland ... | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | i think the idea while charging is how fast voltage rises and temp. reading | 02:26 |
| johnx | rm_you, echo 10 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 02:27 |
| johnx | that's all that's needed | 02:27 |
| johnx | and it doesn't do that ridiculous slow fade either :) | 02:27 |
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| KotCzarny | slow fade is cute | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:28 |
| qwerty12-rollin | meh | 02:29 |
| johnx | it would be acceptable if it was a little faster and less flickery | 02:29 |
| Navi | Hmm | 02:29 |
| Navi | I guess I'll attempt to start formatting my SD card by backing up everything on it | 02:29 |
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| johnx | rsync is your friend :) | 02:29 |
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| Navi | i kno rite? | 02:30 |
| johnx | just sayin' :P | 02:30 |
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| Navi | no point, actually | 02:30 |
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| johnx | it's so nice to be able to just pop the sd card into a reader and take a snapshot of the system at a given point and restore to it | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why the hell does the browser warn "No homepage defined" when my homepage is damn well defined as "about:blank" . . . . | 02:31 |
| johnx | heh | 02:31 |
| johnx | I like that one | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: dd | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | ah, sorry | 02:31 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it still lets you do it thought, right? | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | misread | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:31 |
| Navi | Kot has a dd fetish | 02:31 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I should look at rdiff actually | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for the fucking UI spec. | 02:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles still wants that damn bugzilla component. | 02:31 | |
| * GeneralAntilles considers filing a bug for it. | 02:31 | |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i find dd less hassle | 02:32 |
| johnx | your choice of course | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's good to have a choice :) | 02:32 |
| johnx | I do lots of incremental stuff and I enjoy not having to copy the whole size of the partition every backup | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | i rarely do backups | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | so it's more like snapshots | 02:33 |
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| Navi | I'd backup, but I don't have a big 'nuff HDD to do so anymore | 02:33 |
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| KotCzarny | use internet then? | 02:33 |
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| johnx | yeah, I need a terabyte drive | 02:34 |
| Navi | I don't need that much :P | 02:34 |
| johnx | for a full backup of everything, a terabyte should do | 02:34 |
| Navi | a 500GB drive to back up my family's stuff is enough | 02:34 |
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| KotCzarny | it's never enough :P | 02:36 |
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| KotCzarny | though i'm doing fine with 320gb drive now | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:36 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | can anyone with scratchbox get me im-sample armel library from /usr/lib/hildon-input-method/ in chinook armel target? | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | name the lib? | 02:37 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | i think it's hildon-im-sample :/ | 02:37 |
| Navi | johnx, try mplayer yet? | 02:38 |
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| johnx | Navi, not for video | 02:38 |
| Navi | mmk | 02:38 |
| johnx | we'll want the maemo mplayer anyways | 02:38 |
| johnx | might not even need a recompile | 02:39 |
| johnx | but the debian mplayer is lowest common denominator armv4t | 02:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Quick, off the top of your head, name three examples of UI spec stupidity! | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: there are only 2 files | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | hildon-im-plugins.cache him_vkb_example.so | 02:41 |
| johnx | one click install is 5+ clicks, brightness app has 5 settings with 100+ supported in hardware, bt icon goes away when bt is off | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | (in sbox of course) | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | one window at a time | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | (for ui spec) | 02:42 |
| johnx | I think one click install never being one click is my favorite though | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | unmovable | 02:42 |
| qwerty12-rollin | KotCzarny, , him_vkb_example :) | 02:43 |
| qwerty12-rollin | from what i see, it has caps lock on it and probably works in chinook | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/him_vkb_example.so | 02:43 |
| qwerty12-rollin | thanks :) | 02:44 |
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| EruditeHermit | qwerty12-rollin: you around? | 02:44 |
| qwerty12-rollin | yeah | 02:45 |
| EruditeHermit | what is the pw? | 02:47 |
| qwerty12-rollin | i aint saying | 02:47 |
| EruditeHermit | why not? | 02:47 |
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| EruditeHermit | pm me | 02:47 |
| EruditeHermit | or I will be stuck with last weeks stuff till the release | 02:48 |
| EruditeHermit | which is potentially more buggy =p | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:48 |
| qwerty12-rollin | updates work w/out the pass | 02:48 |
| johnx | ^confirmed^ | 02:48 |
| EruditeHermit | really | 02:49 |
| EruditeHermit | I tried installing ftd yesterday | 02:49 |
| johnx | scout's honor | 02:49 |
| EruditeHermit | and it 404 | 02:49 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | ftd isn't an update | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | but updates/diablo is 401 | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:50 |
| qwerty12-rollin | thats when you try browsing it, then when you need pwd | 02:50 |
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| KotCzarny | so it depends on user agent? | 02:50 |
| qwerty12-rollin | yeah but you still need pwd too :p | 02:51 |
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| slobby_d | what up sluts? | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | ur mom | 02:53 |
| qwerty12-rollin | lmao | 02:53 |
| johnx | sorry, you just missed the sluts | 02:53 |
| slobby_d | I need to get my thing on with some freaky bitches, y'know what I'm sayin? | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 | 02:54 |
| qwerty12-rollin | slobby_d, dont make me whip you for not doing a good job with that man | 02:54 |
| slobby_d | slobby d ain't do no man | 02:54 |
| slobby_d | though it's nice to see where your mind goes | 02:54 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | stop disrespcting your pimp | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | i hate trolls | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:55 |
| slobby_d | slobby d has written that down that qwerty12-rollin has homosexual thoughts | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | and bots too | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:55 |
| slobby_d | slobby d ain't no bot | 02:55 |
| qwerty12-rollin | i think, slobby_d gets paid for doing them ;) | 02:55 |
| slobby_d | slobby d own a chilli joint | 02:55 |
| slobby_d | slobby d makes the best chilli in sandusky ohio | 02:56 |
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| slobby_d | alright where the freaky bitches at? | 02:56 |
| slobby_d | who wants chilli? | 02:56 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | that was different :/ | 02:59 |
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| johnx | I'm hungry for chili now :/ | 02:59 |
| Navi | :/ | 02:59 |
| qwerty12-rollin | 0_o | 02:59 |
| Navi | it took me an hour, but I finally got around to formatting my card ext2 | 02:59 |
| Navi | woo \o/ | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail | 03:00 |
| Navi | I'm lazy | 03:00 |
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| Navi | I'll just finish it off tomorrow | 03:00 |
| johnx | alright, then I'll definitely take this opportunity to get some sleep | 03:00 |
| johnx | 'night all | 03:00 |
| Navi | morning .o/ | 03:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 03:01 |
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| Navi | or is it the afternoon now for you? | 03:01 |
| qwerty12-rollin | night | 03:01 |
| johnx | Navi, morning but who's counting? | 03:01 |
| * johnx sleeps | 03:01 | |
| Navi | meeeee | 03:01 |
| Navi | bye | 03:01 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | it's 1am here - i *should* be getting sleep | 03:01 |
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| Navi | you should :P | 03:03 |
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| qwerty12-rollin | hehe, yeah :) | 03:03 |
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| EruditeHermit | qwerty12-rollin: did they remove whatever it was that you used to figure it out? | 03:11 |
| qwerty12-rollin | i dunno | 03:11 |
| timelyx | Navi: fwiw, i filed a bug last night (tues) which should delay diablo :) | 03:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timelyx, re: the Flash warning enhancement, no, Flashblock does not solve the issue, but something like the Flashblock UI to indicate inline to the user that they're not seeing Flash applets due to Flash being turned off would. | 03:20 |
| timelyx | why doesn't flashblock do it? | 03:21 |
| * timelyx uses noscript in firefox and has not really used flashblock(ever) | 03:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the idea is to indicate to newbies that their Flash isn't working because it's turned off (for whatever reason), not to block Flash. | 03:22 |
| timelyx | so... the problem is ... | 03:22 |
| timelyx | well, threefold | 03:22 |
| timelyx | 1. <object type="application/shockwave-flash"><img src="flash.png" alt="Welcome"></object> | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of people wonder why YouTube doesn't work and don't realize that it's because something turned their Flash off, and a warning would let them know the reason without them having to jump on here, or ITT, or the mailing lists, etc. | 03:22 |
| timelyx | if you turn off flash, you must see the image or the alt | 03:22 |
| timelyx | if we get this wrong, we fail ACID | 03:23 |
| timelyx | failing ACID is really a terrible idea | 03:23 |
| timelyx | 2. most geckos rely on xul to provide an info banner which stays visible until you dismiss it | 03:23 |
| timelyx | - we don't have xul | 03:23 |
| timelyx | - xul is naturally extensible which makes it easy for an extension (noscript, flashblock) to make its own banners for stuff like this | 03:24 |
| timelyx | trying to make banners in native code and then exposing them as a scriptable layer is way more effort than we'd consider | 03:24 |
| timelyx | we're still hoping to oneday introduce xul to the platform | 03:24 |
| elb | doesn't flashblock have the "click here to see your flash applet" thing? | 03:25 |
| timelyx | that's what i thought | 03:25 |
| timelyx | which is why i'm asking | 03:25 |
| elb | whatever I have installed do that | 03:25 |
| timelyx | it's possible that the microb port doesn't, but it really should | 03:25 |
| elb | s/do/does/ | 03:26 |
| infobot | elb meant: whatever I have installed does that | 03:26 |
| elb | infobot: shut up | 03:26 |
| infobot | i'm sorry, master elb | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 03:26 |
| timelyx | 3. if you actually intentionally turn off flash (or silverlight, or java, or ...) then you shouldn't be tortured by a stupid message. and writing code to deal with the various don't bother me again cases is very expensive for an edge case. | 03:26 |
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| timelyx | -- note: i know that flash can go away on its own. per spec, we aren't allowed to show banners when we run out of memory and start killing features (flash, javascript) | 03:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Aha, would memory constraints generally be the only (reasonable) way it can go away on its own? | 03:27 |
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| timelyx | yes | 03:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and I assume it comes back on browser restart? | 03:28 |
| timelyx | um... :) | 03:28 |
| timelyx | iirc there was a time when it didn't | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | no banner, how about 'flash enabled' icon ? | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:28 |
| timelyx | i believe that for diablo it /should/, but please don't quote me | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir | 03:28 |
| timelyx | KotCzarny: click the magnifier | 03:28 |
| timelyx | click plugins/components | 03:29 |
| timelyx | it's either checked, or it isn't | 03:29 |
| timelyx | we're not exactly space wealthy | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | 2 clicks vs instant info | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:29 |
| timelyx | if you've seen the rotated screen view w/ browser, you'd know just how space poor we are | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "why doesn't Nokia have Flash" responses to this issue are the most worrisome for me. . . . | 03:29 |
| timelyx | and no. adding an indicator for one plugin is a terrible path | 03:30 |
| timelyx | it'd be one thing if we were xul, then i wouldn't care | 03:30 |
| timelyx | but we aren't | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | timelyx: then status icon ? | 03:30 |
| elb | and then PwdHash would work :-P | 03:30 |
| timelyx | where? | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | reusable somewhere | 03:30 |
| timelyx | what about js, silverlight, mplayer, ...? | 03:30 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, reusable | 03:30 |
| timelyx | not sure what you mean by that | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | so component enabled/disabled would blink for a second | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | then go away | 03:31 |
| timelyx | also, keep in mind that blinking is um, very expensive | 03:31 |
| timelyx | we have people who seem to be paid to yell "you're using a timer, that's against the law" | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, I understand the issues, timelyx, I'll mention it to Krisse. | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 03:31 |
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| KotCzarny | blinking is patented? | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 03:32 |
| timelyx | not patented, just patently expensive wrt battery life | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | if wifi is enabled it doesn't matter anyway | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | not that much :) | 03:32 |
| timelyx | anyway, i think you'll find that flashblock if it were installed and flash was enabled, would just work | 03:32 |
| timelyx | sadly, given that we're partnered w/ adobe and given that someone thought flash was very valuable, i can't quite imagine shipping flashblock | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not something I think 90% of users would want enabled by default. | 03:34 |
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| timelyx | have you tried noscript? | 03:34 |
| timelyx | noscript comes w/ a default whitelist | 03:34 |
| timelyx | anything off the beaten track encounters a Default=No | 03:35 |
| timelyx | but the beaten track covers 90% of my use | 03:35 |
| timelyx | the things that aren't are Bugzillas and MXRs | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | well flashblock doesn't disable flash | 03:35 |
| timelyx | both of which mostly work w/o js | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | it just stops it from loading instantly | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:35 |
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| dick-richardson | anyone having difficulty w/openvpn recently? | 03:41 |
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| Navi | Hey timelyx | 03:44 |
| pupnik | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/11/pandora-prototype-demoed-screen-turns-on/ | 03:44 |
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| pupnik | Pandora Prototype video. The box takes form | 03:44 |
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| * timelyx is still reading the backlong | 03:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Soooo ugly. . . . :P | 03:46 |
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| dick-richardson | the n800 wouldn't win any beauty contests :P | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would if it were running against this. | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the N800, anyway. | 03:47 |
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| KotCzarny | well | 03:47 |
| dick-richardson | I really didn't...but it did everything I needed so I was good | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | if it has 3d libs and everything | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | then looks wouldn't matter so much | 03:47 |
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| KotCzarny | and would be probably modded by fans | 03:47 |
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| pupnik | pandora might be a viable candidate platform for maemo | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | that's the reason i posted the link | 03:48 |
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| dick-richardson | holy smokes | 03:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Debian + Matchbox/Hildon is the way to do it, pupnik. | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | that makes sense GeneralAntilles | 03:49 |
| dick-richardson | I'm a fan of the win 3.x series | 03:49 |
| dick-richardson | I think there's potential there | 03:49 |
| pupnik | either way, the IT community will benefit from pandora software, and hopefully also vice-versa | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I think we'll be getting the better end of that deal. :D | 03:50 |
| timelyx | johnx: the reason the browser ui is proprietary is depressing | 03:50 |
| Navi | he went to bed, but I'll route it to him if you answer :D | 03:51 |
| pupnik | ohhhh... n...grrghrlghwatoh | 03:51 |
| timelyx | johnx: fwiw, if you want to see old browser ui code, it can be found | 03:51 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sx8CrVLW8 | 03:51 |
| pupnik | final fantasy 7 on pandora | 03:51 |
| timelyx | nah, that's all i think i can say publicly | 03:51 |
| pupnik | zodttd got it running in like 3 days | 03:51 |
| timelyx | if qgil manages to publish a more official statement, i'll confirm it :) | 03:51 |
| Navi | yeah, zodttd had the psx4all stuff afterall | 03:52 |
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| Navi | pupnik, should be easy enough to steal and make ours :) | 03:52 |
| Grackle | johnx: what's the root password for the new debian image? | 03:52 |
| pupnik | the speed is excellent | 03:52 |
| pupnik | daaang | 03:52 |
| Grackle | oh nevermind | 03:52 |
| Navi | for the N900 anyway | 03:52 |
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| * timelyx just uses ssh-keygen -t rsa and then installs http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb | 03:53 | |
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| timelyx | it works nicely for becoming root | 03:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's really depressing that browser-ui went proprietary. | 03:53 |
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| timelyx | GeneralAntilles: officially it was never not proprietary | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could've been quite useful as a mobile-linux browser. | 03:53 |
| timelyx | any evidence to the contrary is merely in the imagination :) | 03:53 |
| timelyx | (quite vivid, but..) | 03:53 |
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| timelyx | personally, i have ZERO love for the browser ui | 03:54 |
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| timelyx | and therefore don't really care that it's proprietary | 03:54 |
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| Navi | Heh | 03:55 |
| Navi | <_< | 03:55 |
| Navi | Harsh | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | looks like they have 3d accel? | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | or what? | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | they do have 3d drivers, but that demo might be software KotCzarny - someone made a very fast software renderer | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it's fast | 03:56 |
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| KotCzarny | no sound though | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | he's only had the dev kit for a few days afaik | 03:58 |
| Navi | pupnik, stealings for teh N900 | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 03:58 |
| Navi | They have a head start and we get to stealz | 03:59 |
| pupnik | the source is closed Navi, i can't say more | 03:59 |
| Navi | Ew | 03:59 |
| Navi | Attack 'em! | 03:59 |
| Navi | They'll probably share if we ask :P | 03:59 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure we can even get 30fps doing any emulation on the N8x0 right now | 03:59 |
| pupnik | baby steps | 03:59 |
| Navi | Not talking about the N8X0 | 04:00 |
| Navi | Thinking ahead to the OMAP3 NITs | 04:00 |
| pupnik | ah | 04:00 |
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| pupnik | omap 2420 should run psx4all playably fast | 04:00 |
| Navi | maybe | 04:00 |
| pupnik | i can't get my camera to record a sharp video of my n8x0 | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | more light | 04:02 |
| pupnik | k will try that | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Better camera! | 04:02 |
| Navi | adjust exposure? | 04:02 |
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| Navi | lmfao | 04:02 |
| pupnik | i had brightness all the way up on the screen | 04:02 |
| pupnik | but camera has no video macro mode | 04:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, better camera! :P | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | then move away and zoom in | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | and put both things on desk | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:05 |
| pupnik | i did that in the video uploaded to youtube, it can only fill about 300x240 of the 640x480 res | 04:05 |
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| MajMin7 | ahh | 04:18 |
| MajMin7 | so | 04:18 |
| MajMin7 | gpsmgr_start always returns -1 | 04:18 |
| MajMin7 | isn't this the call that's supposed to get everything moving? | 04:18 |
| MajMin7 | or is there some other call that starts the gps daemon? | 04:19 |
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| Navi | I can't boot from teh mmc :/ | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | fail | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:23 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 OpenGL ES 2.0 shader effects on OMAP3 | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Saw that a few weeks ago | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me a little giddy. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Happy to know we'll be hearing something about PVR later this year. | 04:35 |
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| lcuk | well i cant code any more now for a week | 04:37 |
| lcuk | pupnik, would you bring your camera to linuxtag incase i cannot get any footage myself of my software | 04:38 |
| pupnik | sure i will do that | 04:38 |
| pupnik | but my camera right now is almost useless for filming tablet | 04:39 |
| lcuk | its great news about pvr :) | 04:39 |
| pupnik | what news | 04:39 |
| pupnik | personal video recorder? | 04:39 |
| pupnik | or power vr | 04:39 |
| lcuk | :P | 04:39 |
| pupnik | i must have missed that | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ???? | 04:40 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:40 |
| lcuk | even gen knows | 04:40 |
| rm_you | powervr is GOING somewhere maybe? :P | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim isn't allowed to say anything right now | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | but more information will be forthcoming later this year | 04:40 |
| rm_you | ooo so yeah | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I suspect that's just the N900. :P | 04:40 |
| rm_you | how did the thing with quim go | 04:40 |
| rm_you | is there a lot / video? | 04:40 |
| pupnik | ok yeah | 04:40 |
| rm_you | *log | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC, rm_you. | 04:41 |
| rm_you | ? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor Quim was inundated. | 04:41 |
| pupnik | lcuk: what is the deal with tickets? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html | 04:41 |
| pupnik | do we need to pre-order for passes to linuxtag? | 04:41 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i thought we would get them in germany from quim the night before? | 04:41 |
| rm_you | where/when is linuxtag? | 04:41 |
| rm_you | germany i'm guessing? | 04:41 |
| rm_you | does it stand for LinuxDay? :P | 04:42 |
| pupnik | berlin may 28 - 31 | 04:42 |
| lcuk | germany in just under 2 weeks | 04:42 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:42 |
| * rm_you wonders how much a ticket to Germany would cost | 04:42 | |
| pupnik | that art otel looks like something from teletubbies lcuk :) but irrelevant... | 04:42 |
| lcuk | it does look a bit odd, where are you staying - same? | 04:42 |
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| pupnik | yes | 04:43 |
| lcuk | cool, then beers on wednesday night :) | 04:43 |
| pupnik | the S-Bahn station is about three blocks north of it | 04:43 |
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| * rm_you is jealous | 04:44 | |
| pupnik | rm_you: where are you? | 04:44 |
| MajMin7 | hey lcuk | 04:44 |
| lcuk | if you ask quim about tickets, use the maemo dev thing - ask it as a general question maybe? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | hi MajMin7 | 04:44 |
| MajMin7 | lol | 04:44 |
| MajMin7 | yea the saga continues | 04:45 |
| MajMin7 | but im getting further | 04:45 |
| MajMin7 | i now have code that starts the gpsmgr | 04:45 |
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| lcuk | well im goin to bed in about 2 minutes, im flying out on holiday tomorrow | 04:45 |
| MajMin7 | sok | 04:45 |
| lcuk | my thursday deadline is here | 04:45 |
| MajMin7 | the maemo-mapper code uses a socket through localhost to talk to the gps | 04:45 |
| MajMin7 | do you know if thats common? | 04:45 |
| lcuk | thats how maemo-mapper uses it i believe | 04:46 |
| MajMin7 | (cause its not working) | 04:46 |
| MajMin7 | hmm | 04:46 |
| lcuk | have you considered having a look at maemo mapper itself at the core gps bit? | 04:46 |
| MajMin7 | yea | 04:47 |
| MajMin7 | thats what i have been doing | 04:47 |
| MajMin7 | i have emulated their code | 04:47 |
| MajMin7 | its just not quite working | 04:47 |
| dick-richardson | random hardlocks on my linux box :( | 04:47 |
| MajMin7 | in fact, the maemo mapper code is the only reason why i have anything working | 04:47 |
| MajMin7 | lol | 04:47 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:48 |
| rm_you | pupnik: Texas / Washington | 04:48 |
| pupnik | bleh ... are you rich or something? | 04:49 |
| rm_you | >_> | 04:49 |
| rm_you | nah | 04:49 |
| rm_you | live in washington | 04:49 |
| rm_you | school in texas | 04:49 |
| pupnik | ok cause flying out to linuxtag on short notice would be impressive for a student :) | 04:49 |
| rm_you | just finished all my finals tho :P | 04:49 |
| rm_you | well, i do have a pretty decent paying job | 04:49 |
| rm_you | i decided to go to japan last summer to visit johnx, and a month later i was there :P | 04:50 |
| rm_you | and finals just ended here, so i was going to have to fly home anyway, and thats like $300 | 04:51 |
| rm_you | so i might as well bump it to like $900 and go to germany for a bit :P | 04:51 |
| pupnik | would be nice to have you there | 04:52 |
| rm_you | how much is it for tickets? | 04:54 |
| rm_you | to linuxtag | 04:54 |
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| rm_you | gah, prices went up a bit... $1200 for the round trip | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | try another line? | 04:56 |
| rm_you | that's on like... travelocity | 04:56 |
| rm_you | mmm Lufthansa :P | 04:56 |
| rm_you | wow | 04:57 |
| rm_you | to germany is a longer flight than to japan >_> | 04:57 |
| rm_you | i guess that makes sense.... | 04:57 |
| rm_you | hrm.... maybe for $1000 even on orbitz | 05:00 |
| lcuk | right, gnite pupnik, KotCzarny rm & co | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 05:01 |
| rm_you | night | 05:01 |
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| MajMin7 | does anyone know what the control socket for the gps does? | 05:10 |
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| mschoolbus | hey everyone | 05:13 |
| Navi | Anyone know what password johnx set for debian? | 05:13 |
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| ricko73 | Navi: my guess is something that is not quite random enough ;) | 05:19 |
| mschoolbus | Is there a channel regarding ubuntu on arm/n8x0 ? | 05:19 |
| Navi | No | 05:20 |
| rm_you | ahhh | 05:27 |
| rm_you | "april"? | 05:27 |
| rm_you | try that | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwoTR5kWCQ&feature=related awesome platformer game... watch it all | 05:50 |
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| n800n | evince = good? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fastest PDF reader on the platform | 06:12 |
| n800n | safe? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh . . . | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it be? | 06:13 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus | 06:14 |
| n800n | less weird sounding apps broke my tablet before | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | dunno what weird naming has to do with breaking things. :\ | 06:14 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, you're a virus. | 06:14 |
| Navi | Viruses always have weird names | 06:15 |
| n800n | i didn't say name | 06:15 |
| n800n | whatever. | 06:17 |
| rm_you | :P | 06:17 |
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| n800n | how do i make xmms not stay on top? | 06:39 |
| rm_you | that there's a question :P | 06:39 |
| * rm_you hasn't figured it out | 06:39 | |
| rm_you | i think there's something about turning on window decorations | 06:40 |
| rm_you | in one of the menus... lemmie see if i can find the post | 06:40 |
| n800n | thanks | 06:40 |
| n800n | btw which siund driver is the best? | 06:41 |
| n800n | sound | 06:41 |
| rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&page=22 | 06:41 |
| rm_you | look at qwerty12's posts | 06:41 |
| n800n | checkin | 06:41 |
| pupnik | can you look at these hd videos and tell me if you think they look ok? http://techvideoblog.com/cebit/odys-cheap-hd-camcorders/ | 06:42 |
| rm_you | i think that does something useful | 06:42 |
| rm_you | <_< | 06:42 |
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| pupnik | i don't know much about hd picture quality | 06:43 |
| Proteous | luckly pupnik does know loads about how to assemble large structures out of toothpicks | 06:45 |
| Proteous | a much more valuable skill | 06:45 |
| n800n | is xmms a resource hog? | 06:45 |
| pupnik | no | 06:46 |
| n800n | seems to stutter every time i touch the screen | 06:46 |
| Proteous | depends on how large a resource pool is | 06:46 |
| pupnik | no stuttering here | 06:46 |
| pupnik | what file format / bitrate | 06:46 |
| n800n | streaming off shoutcast | 06:46 |
| Proteous | 1280x1080 90FPS | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what's the question? | 06:46 |
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| Proteous | I am not a number, I am a free man! | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lies! | 06:47 |
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| pupnik | n800n: i haven't used it for shoutcast. perhaps you should increase buffers | 06:48 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: if you have any experience with HD camcorders lemme know if something looks fishy about that | 06:48 |
| pupnik | i have to film emus - can't present them live at linuxtag | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't buy it. | 06:48 |
| Proteous | I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't really looked in about a year and a half. | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd just get yourself a Canon digicam | 06:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're filming in a very well lit area | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can pretty much guarantee that the low light sensitivity wont hold up. | 06:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What camera are you using now? | 06:51 |
| n800n | buffer's not it | 06:52 |
| * elb just found out that a fair MiniDV camera can be had for under $300 | 06:52 | |
| elb | I plan to get one of those, then look at HD cams in a few years when they've settled | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, you may be able to get away with an simple still camera with video functionality. | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are pretty good these days. | 06:53 |
| pupnik | hermblgh | 06:55 |
| pupnik | mine sucks | 06:55 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Tyrian_on_N810_demo.avi | 06:55 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: think i can get away with that quality? | 06:55 |
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| MajMin7 | does anyone here have any experience connecting to the gpsd? | 06:57 |
| MajMin7 | i have a problem where I always read 0 bytes from the gpsd socket | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's that filmed with, pupnik? | 06:57 |
| pupnik | fuji F30 | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, my recommendation would be to take the N810 to some sort of electronics shop and do some recordings with various stuff | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Real camcorders and digital cameras. | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | See what's got good macro focus | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | My guess is that a Canon A-series might actually do the trick. | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or play with some of Canon's lower-end camcorders. | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need no scammy HD camcorder. ;) | 07:02 |
| rm_you | but... HD is the future! :P | 07:03 |
| * rm_you doesn't watch anything lower than 720p anymore | 07:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Only if you've got access to 4k laser scanners and 35mm or $50k HD cameras. ;) | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, no, these days you could get away with about $5k | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | still | 07:04 |
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| pupnik | ok ordered. 90 euro 18 cent | 07:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What'd you get? | 07:17 |
| pupnik | http://www.promarkt.de/item/6854/1594/0/429256/odys-mdvhd-8.html Odys MDV-HD 8 1280x720 (720p) @ 30fps with macro and portrait focus | 07:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck. . . . | 07:20 |
| n800n | cute | 07:22 |
| pupnik | 80 cent | 07:22 |
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| n800n | my n800 won't play the avi | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 1080i | 07:25 |
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| n800n | why | 07:27 |
| n800n | whyyyyyyyy | 07:27 |
| pupnik | duh | 07:27 |
| pupnik | wait for N900 to play HD video | 07:27 |
| n800n | oh yeah.... | 07:27 |
| n800n | that | 07:27 |
| n800n | well what goid would it do w/o external video | 07:28 |
| n800n | m.... the only thing i've never used my n800 for is video | 07:29 |
| n800n | is there a way to play divx. | 07:29 |
| n800n | ? | 07:29 |
| pupnik | yes mplayer | 07:30 |
| pupnik | crunch the vids to about 240 - 280 vertical lines | 07:30 |
| n800n | will it do it or do i have to reenvide ? | 07:32 |
| n800n | reencode | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take a guess, n800n. ;0 | 07:35 |
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| n800n | that sucks | 07:37 |
| pupnik | you will get dropouts at full resolution | 07:37 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding/ | 07:38 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ | 07:39 |
| pupnik | besides, you can save a good amt of space crunching stuff down | 07:39 |
| n800n | yeah | 07:39 |
| n800n | flv seems to play ok | 07:40 |
| pupnik | flv is usually 320x240 | 07:40 |
| n800n | is applet transparency % adjustable? | 08:02 |
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| * qwerty111 blesses debian for their armel package | 08:52 | |
| acydlord | http://urltea.com/36of this might be interesting for gps maps | 08:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Your two split there, qwerty. ;) | 08:54 |
| qwerty111 | Yeah, my wifi card stopped working under linux. Stupid ndiswrapper. (I assume you mean there are two of me :)) | 08:54 |
| acydlord | use the ghost command to get rid of one of you | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12 -> 111 :P | 08:55 |
| qwerty111 | :P. acydlord, thanks, will check it out. I've never used IRC before this except for some xbins loving. | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | /msg nickserv help | 08:56 |
| acydlord | the command is /ns ghost <nick> <pass> | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | More specifically /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass> | 08:56 |
| qwerty111 | Thanks both, doing right now :) | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | /ns is client specific, acydlord. | 08:56 |
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| acydlord | ahh yes, i forget about all the xchat aliases | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2 hereby mirrored | 08:57 |
| ricko73 | does Maemo use matchbox by default (or what is the wm?) | 08:58 |
| qwerty111 | yes, matchbox | 08:58 |
| qwerty111 | the desktop and side bits are called hildon-desktop | 08:58 |
| ricko73 | man, I remember when that project was first starting out | 08:58 |
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| qwerty111 | they are both oss, just do apt-get source etc. But the applets aren't :/ | 08:59 |
| ricko73 | we looked at using it in a carpc project | 08:59 |
| ricko73 | (back in 2002/2003) | 08:59 |
| qwerty111 | "-NickServ- [qwerty12] has been killed" - Sounds fun. | 08:59 |
| qwerty111 | Cool :) | 08:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You be dead, boy! | 09:00 |
| qwerty111 | No stabbing to make sure? | 09:00 |
| qwerty111 | :p | 09:00 |
| ricko73 | old picture: http://www.djhsolutions.com/dashpc/gallery/V2.0/close_up.jpg | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Car pc (well, Mac mini) is something I've always wanted to do | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the software side of things is really lacking. | 09:01 |
| ricko73 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, it could have been something. The other guy involved in the project basically killed it because of greed | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hardware is all fine | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | but we really need some sort of awesome frontend. | 09:02 |
| acydlord | i've built several car-pcs out of tiny formfactor computers or modded laptops | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have mine all planned out. Servos for AC control and everything. ;) | 09:02 |
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| acydlord | most awesome one i got to work on was in a prius | 09:03 |
| ricko73 | I had my blazer broken into while I had the PC in the dash | 09:03 |
| acydlord | cause the climate control in the prius can be controlled by an ecm interface | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Prius LCD looks so bad with anything but the factory source. <_< | 09:03 |
| ricko73 | The idiots stole the $250 amp instead of the $2000 of pc equipment in the front/dash | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:03 |
| qwerty111 | lmao | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, "idiots" is a good way to describe people who break into cars to steal radios. :P | 09:03 |
| qwerty111 | Reminds me when some idiots stole the front part of the radio but not the back part. | 09:04 |
| ricko73 | 15 feet from my bedroom with the car parked in my drive way | 09:04 |
| acydlord | lol, my friend has a 17" widescreen touch panel over most of the center console | 09:04 |
| acydlord | it's probably the only pimp looking prius | 09:04 |
| ricko73 | the renters on the other side of the duplex offered to sleep in the back seat because the first attempt (of the theft) was not successful | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those cars make me laugh. | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get better gas mileage with a diesel Jetta. :\ | 09:05 |
| qwerty111 | They should make an alarm with a glock on it. "Step away from the vehicle in 5 seconds or im gonna shoot you motherfucker" | 09:05 |
| acydlord | i must say, the mini cooper clubman makes me laugh | 09:05 |
| ricko73 | he is kind of a red neck so he was going to lay in there with a baseball bat | 09:05 |
| acydlord | especially the clubman S | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:05 |
| acydlord | yeah, its a small hack to get around 100mpg out of a prius | 09:05 |
| acydlord | i dont know why toyota doesnt do it | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty111, I like the car alarms with flame throwers underneath. | 09:05 |
| RST38h | There was a flame thrower alarm in the South Africa | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jinx! | 09:06 |
| RST38h | (when they sitll had cars) | 09:06 |
| qwerty111 | GeneralAntilles, that would be great muhahahaha | 09:06 |
| benh | it gets scary when the car's computer gets more IQ than the driver | 09:06 |
| benh | which is probably already the case with the average redneck | 09:06 |
| qwerty111 | Except when it lights the other parked cars on fire too... | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Computers don't have IQ. | 09:06 |
| acydlord | benh, like the lexus and toyota cars that track your eye movement and lid state? | 09:06 |
| benh | GeneralAntilles: not yet :-) | 09:06 |
| ricko73 | computers are only as smart as the people programming them | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modern luxury cars are a little out of hand. | 09:06 |
| benh | GeneralAntilles: which is _still_ higher than the average redneck :-) | 09:07 |
| ricko73 | (or so I've been told) | 09:07 |
| qwerty111 | Give it time. matrix.... :p | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Simple sedans are pushing the 2-ton mark. :\ | 09:07 |
| acydlord | or the toyota POD2 that has a little r2d2 style AI copilot | 09:07 |
| livinroom | qwerty111: here's my car alarm: http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/images/m1991a1e.jpg | 09:07 |
| qwerty111 | livinroom, nice! | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen, livinroom. | 09:07 |
| livinroom | it's also my home security system | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | (though just a S&W 9mm in my case) | 09:07 |
| acydlord | my alarm system is silent | 09:07 |
| livinroom | and, with the power of the CCW permit, it's a personal defence system as well | 09:07 |
| qwerty111 | over this side of the pond, not here :( | 09:07 |
| acydlord | various shuriken, swords, knives, caltrops, etc | 09:08 |
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| livinroom | yeah i wanted some hardcore power, we have some major methheads here | 09:08 |
| livinroom | and fuck if those goddamn meth addicted sons of bitches arent hard to bring down | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I opted for a size and price reduction. | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | As well as better capacity. ;) | 09:08 |
| rm_you | brb | 09:08 |
| qwerty111 | 0_o | 09:08 |
| acydlord | you need the capacity with a 9 | 09:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:08 |
| acydlord | i also have a military issue tonfa | 09:08 |
| livinroom | the local sherrif put 39 rounds in one poor bastard before he put the gun down. 39 9mm rounds. THIRTY NINE. he was still shooting until the 38th | 09:08 |
| acydlord | thats always fun for a takedown | 09:08 |
| acydlord | livinroom, you in AZ? | 09:09 |
| qwerty111 | livinroom, did he die? | 09:09 |
| livinroom | no, TN | 09:09 |
| livinroom | yeah he expired | 09:09 |
| acydlord | man, weve had epic shootouts like that out here | 09:09 |
| livinroom | but he actually was shooting a pump action shotty at the police | 09:09 |
| acydlord | and we have many a tweaker | 09:09 |
| qwerty111 | Lol, I was doing /sarcasm :P :D | 09:09 |
| acydlord | cops need to learn about the headshot | 09:09 |
| livinroom | after the 39th round he dropped the gun, layed down (didnt fall, or drop, mind you) and died | 09:09 |
| RST38h | ran out of drugs, I guess | 09:09 |
| livinroom | well, they fired around 50 rounds, from what i understand | 09:09 |
| livinroom | the only reason i think that he died was blood loss | 09:10 |
| acydlord | then again with a 9 depending on the round it could glance off the skull | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, he ran out of pain killers (ala Max Payne) | 09:10 |
| livinroom | that and punctured lungs | 09:10 |
| RST38h | did the police tried refilling him? just to ask some questions, you know? | 09:10 |
| livinroom | roffles | 09:10 |
| livinroom | no | 09:10 |
| trickie | my bloody ISP at home has been down for more than 24 hours... anyone know if there is a log of the meeting with quim last night? | 09:10 |
| livinroom | it's a funny story how it all went down | 09:10 |
| acydlord | trickie, there should be a log up later in the day | 09:10 |
| livinroom | it started when some dumbass cop accidentally hit the siren on a no-knock warrant | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | trickie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 09:10 |
| livinroom | this fucker comes out shooting | 09:10 |
| trickie | thanks! | 09:10 |
| livinroom | and they lay waste to him | 09:10 |
| livinroom | it was bad. | 09:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | trickie, most interesting tidbit, information on the PowerVR will be coming later this year. | 09:11 |
| trickie | woo hoo! | 09:11 |
| trickie | thats awesome | 09:11 |
| qwerty111 | A2DP is also planned | 09:11 |
| acydlord | i'm always tempted to get my psg-1 out whenever there are police standoffs in my area | 09:11 |
| livinroom | AADP?? | 09:11 |
| livinroom | see, why didnt the iphone have A2DP | 09:11 |
| acydlord | ya know just stoll up and be like "deputise me mofo" | 09:11 |
| acydlord | because the iphone is an overpriced pretty piece of crap | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:12 |
| acydlord | like all the other apple products since the mid 90s | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not that bad. ;) | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It suits some people. | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like my mother. | 09:12 |
| acydlord | for a low capacity ipod that happens to make calls i guess its not bad | 09:12 |
| livinroom | here's why i have the iphone: Unix. | 09:12 |
| livinroom | and Unix means developers | 09:12 |
| qwerty111 | If the PowerVR stuff comes out, I want to see me some quake 3 action. | 09:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty111, wouldn't that be badass? :D | 09:12 |
| livinroom | and said developers have made a successful port of tinyproxy, srelay, sshd, and ipfw. all tools that help me to forward mah intarwebs to the n800, a laptop, a desktop, etc et al. | 09:13 |
| acydlord | i've been too lazy to load linux on my centro | 09:13 |
| qwerty111 | GeneralAntilles, hell yes. combine it with the tilt stick and you would be in heaven :D | 09:13 |
| RST38h | yea, the device definitely misses an accelerometer | 09:13 |
| acydlord | another 2 horrible things about the iphone are at&t and that crap they try to call 3g | 09:13 |
| RST38h | maybe it can be replaced by some clever image processing from the camera? | 09:14 |
| ricko73 | acydlord: don't swear like that in here (att) | 09:14 |
| livinroom | AT&T isnt really horrible, i dont know where everyone gets that from | 09:14 |
| livinroom | because your only other choice is verizon, and they're absoloutely worse | 09:14 |
| acydlord | if you add an IR port to the iphone and a tiltstick you've got a wiimote | 09:14 |
| RST38h | livinroom: have you tried visiting their store? | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 09:14 |
| acydlord | i have sprint | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | it is horrible | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I've been nothing but happy with AT&T | 09:14 |
| livinroom | yeah, i bought my ifone in a store | 09:14 |
| acydlord | with some real nice evdo | 09:14 |
| RST38h | I mean, actually talking to a "representative"? | 09:15 |
| RST38h | poor guy | 09:15 |
| livinroom | yeah, i talked to one when i bought the ifone | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | they charge 20$ for turning on/off long distance | 09:15 |
| livinroom | i was totally satisfied | 09:15 |
| RST38h | oh | 09:15 |
| livinroom | long distance? it's a fscking fone | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | and other features | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:15 |
| acydlord | and i dont like att because they just handed all their customers over to DHS and fbi spying | 09:15 |
| ricko73 | livinroom: it's all about geography. ATT sucks here. The only reliable cell service are Verizon or USCC | 09:15 |
| qwerty111 | I hate CDMA stuff. Thankfully, in the UK we are all GSM. (EDGE/UMTS etc are available though). | 09:15 |
| acydlord | not to mention the deathstar monopoly | 09:15 |
| * RST38h remembers buying 3650 from AT&T store - 15 minutes of waiting + 30 minutes of filing papers and the sim card quietly expired after being unused for 3 months | 09:15 | |
| KotCzarny | livinroom: i'm talking about their bussiness model | 09:15 |
| acydlord | no hsdpa qwerty111? | 09:15 |
| livinroom | monopoly be damned, it works fine | 09:15 |
| acydlord | and at&t shafted me on the ogo | 09:16 |
| qwerty111 | acydlord, I'm sure there is actually, just don't have a phone that supports it. | 09:16 |
| RST38h | Last time I bought phone service from MTS, it took 5 minutes and did not require me to commit for 2 years | 09:16 |
| acydlord | i prepaid for a year on it, they supported it for 3 months and then wouldnt refund my fees | 09:16 |
| livinroom | btw this is my pocket gun: http://www.centerfirecentral.com/images/bersa380L.jpg | 09:16 |
| RST38h | So, let us see: | 09:17 |
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| RST38h | Russia: 5 minutes, $7 | 09:17 |
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| RST38h | US: 45 minutes, $60/mo for 24 months | 09:17 |
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| qwerty111 | Can't you like carry semi-auto sub-machineguns :p ? | 09:17 |
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| acydlord | assault rifles | 09:17 |
| RST38h | Isn't something wrong with this picture? | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | livinroom, have you seen KelTec's stuff? | 09:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | They make some badass pocket guns. | 09:18 |
| acydlord | subs and machine pistols require a different license | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their 9 is one of the smallest available. | 09:18 |
| livinroom | actually, we can carry full auto submachine guns | 09:18 |
| livinroom | keltecs are all plastic and feel like they'll break | 09:18 |
| acydlord | you have a class3 permit livinroom? | 09:18 |
| RST38h | Do they let you shoot those as well? =) | 09:18 |
| livinroom | the bersa is aluminum, has every safety imaginable, etc | 09:18 |
| livinroom | i dont, but in TN it's only $200 to get one | 09:18 |
| acydlord | yeah, its only 200 here too | 09:18 |
| acydlord | much cheaper than paying the fee to get a licensed silencer on its own here lol | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | My buddy's KelTec 380 shoots like a tac driver. | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feels great | 09:19 |
| livinroom | i could get a silenced full auto AR15 for around $2k total | 09:19 |
| livinroom | thats with all the liscenses and everything | 09:20 |
| livinroom | http://golsn.com/listings/outdoor_adventure/firearms/369686.html here's an AR for 1k | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARs are so gross. <_< | 09:20 |
| acydlord | http://www.arizonatacticalfirearms.com/ this place is right up the street from me | 09:20 |
| acydlord | and i must say, i prefer my m16 to an ar | 09:21 |
| livinroom | http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/specials.html dude | 09:21 |
| livinroom | this place is up the street from me | 09:21 |
| livinroom | check out their browning .50bmg | 09:21 |
| livinroom | it's insane. | 09:21 |
| livinroom | $5 per shot | 09:21 |
| ricko73 | what is it about geeks and guns? lol | 09:21 |
| livinroom | duuuude | 09:22 |
| livinroom | machine gun safari sounds AWESOME | 09:22 |
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| livinroom | too bad i hate AZ | 09:22 |
| ricko73 | I have a nice headshot I had on a deer at 35 yards with my 12 ga last year | 09:22 |
| RST38h | but imagine the number and SIZE of amphetamine junkies you can off with this thing! | 09:22 |
| livinroom | roffles | 09:22 |
| livinroom | when the world goes to hell | 09:22 |
| livinroom | i'll mount that sumbitch on my '95 escort LX | 09:22 |
| livinroom | and run around blasting baddies | 09:23 |
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| acydlord | imagine the meth heads you could take down with this http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=337048&item=701445&instock=all&manufact_combo=Heckler+%26+Koch%2C+Inc.&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num= | 09:25 |
| acydlord | holy long link, sorry bout that | 09:25 |
| livinroom | holy long link batman | 09:26 |
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| acydlord | i want the new barrett .416 AR | 09:28 |
| * czr wakes up and looks at the crazy americanos -speak | 09:29 | |
| livinroom | lolz | 09:29 |
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| czr | in finland we feed the methheads to the polar bears | 09:30 |
| czr | or send them to nokia to code for some useless multimedia project | 09:30 |
| livinroom | ROFL | 09:31 |
| RST38h | send them club baby seals! | 09:31 |
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| livinroom | send some meth heads to code me up a working webcam app for the n800 | 09:31 |
| czr | livinroom, do you work for nokia? | 09:31 |
| livinroom | one that will auto-upload pics via whatever active connection to an ftp server | 09:31 |
| livinroom | heck no | 09:31 |
| livinroom | i dont work for nokia | 09:32 |
| czr | indeed. it needs to be a nokia project | 09:32 |
| livinroom | i need a camera app! | 09:32 |
| livinroom | and i'm too lazy to take 8 years of programming so i can make one! | 09:32 |
| RST38h | there is a camera app in extras | 09:32 |
| czr | pay someone to do it? | 09:32 |
| livinroom | well, yeah | 09:33 |
| czr | or you mean you're lazy _and_ poor? :-) | 09:33 |
| livinroom | but the camera app in extras doesnt auto-upload shots | 09:33 |
| czr | that's not a good combination :-) | 09:33 |
| livinroom | i'm not poor | 09:33 |
| livinroom | but i'm not rich enough to pay someone :P | 09:33 |
| RST38h | those aren't very good shots to begin with | 09:33 |
| livinroom | i spend all my money buying .45 cartridges to practice incase the starving zombie hordes of methheads invade my apartment | 09:33 |
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| czr | livinroom, you should start stocking up ammo though | 09:33 |
| RST38h | just use hand grenades | 09:34 |
| czr | imagine how much the price of ammo will jump once the methheads start running around TN. | 09:34 |
| livinroom | hand grenades cause splash damage | 09:34 |
| czr | good for fishing.. | 09:34 |
| * RST38h remembers Tremors the movie | 09:34 | |
| acydlord | i had to sell my .45s i spent way too much going out to the shooting range and out shooting in the desert | 09:35 |
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| livinroom | yeah | 09:36 |
| livinroom | i want to slay a small creature in the woods some day | 09:36 |
| livinroom | perhaps the evil, cold hearted murderous squirrel | 09:36 |
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| czr | ant? | 09:36 |
| czr | they're also evil. | 09:36 |
| livinroom | ants are indeed evil | 09:36 |
| czr | plus you can practice on a perfect technique. | 09:36 |
| livinroom | but they are difficult to slay | 09:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | livinroom, gps-camera | 09:36 |
| livinroom | shooting the ass off an ant? | 09:36 |
| czr | livinroom, get a proper scope? :-) | 09:37 |
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| ricko73 | livinroom: I shot a squirrel in the eye with a bb gun when I was 13 | 09:37 |
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| ricko73 | tasted good ;) | 09:37 |
| livinroom | i tried to shoot a bird once | 09:37 |
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| livinroom | i dont know if i got him or not | 09:37 |
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| livinroom | damn hollowpoint 380s | 09:37 |
| acydlord | i shot a dove with a 30-06 2 seasons ago | 09:38 |
| ricko73 | do you use a sledgehammer to drive in finish nails? | 09:38 |
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| livinroom | well, hollowpoint was all i had loaded | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | livinroom, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-camera/ | 09:39 |
| livinroom | and i was like, HOLY SHIT BALD EAGLE and so | 09:39 |
| livinroom | haha, no, it wasnt a bald eagle. | 09:39 |
| czr | it was a the Pope of the Brown Bald Eagles? | 09:39 |
| czr | -a | 09:39 |
| acydlord | lol | 09:39 |
| livinroom | i was like rm -rf /sparrow | 09:39 |
| livinroom | and it was all like | 09:39 |
| livinroom | 'unable to find /sparrow' | 09:39 |
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| livinroom | '/sparrow doesnt exsist' | 09:40 |
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| ricko73 | you guys crack me up | 09:40 |
| livinroom | so i was like updatedb && | 09:40 |
| RST38h | evil gun nuts. | 09:41 |
| livinroom | locate sparrow | 09:41 |
| ricko73 | I'll have to find out first hand how well roadmap works tomorrow. I finally got it to install. | 09:41 |
| livinroom | 'sparrow not found' | 09:41 |
| livinroom | and i was like dayum. | 09:41 |
| * ricko73 passes over a bottle of stout to livinroom | 09:41 | |
| livinroom | i prefer a flagan of mead | 09:41 |
| ricko73 | bah | 09:42 |
| livinroom | or is it flagon | 09:42 |
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| ricko73 | give me a good oatmeal stout with hints of chocolate and coffee and I'm good to go | 09:42 |
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| livinroom | actually | 09:43 |
| czr | 'hints of chocolate and coffee' generally sounds like an overpriced ripoff :-) | 09:43 |
| livinroom | my beverage of choice right now is manischewitz concord grape :( | 09:43 |
| ricko73 | czr: when it's called "Roadslush" it's gotta be good | 09:43 |
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| livinroom | roadslush sounds... nasty | 09:44 |
| czr | roadkill -> mixer -> slush -> ferment -> bottle. | 09:45 |
| ricko73 | it's actually tasty | 09:45 |
| livinroom | eew | 09:45 |
| ricko73 | http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/new-glarus-road-slush-stout/55763/ | 09:46 |
| livinroom | i cant decide if i should spend money on food or bullets tomorrow. does that make me a redneck? | 09:46 |
| czr | livinroom, no. it's beer or bullets.. | 09:46 |
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| livinroom | well, i dont drink beer so | 09:46 |
| livinroom | that kinda counts me out | 09:47 |
| livinroom | i like gps-camera, btw, but no auto-upload, esp. not to an FTP site | 09:47 |
| czr | maybe you're an confused redneck then :-) | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | flickr upload, livinroom. | 09:48 |
| livinroom | yeah, but | 09:49 |
| livinroom | i can do that with my ifone | 09:49 |
| livinroom | ftp upload would be more interesting | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modify the source, then. | 09:49 |
| livinroom | because then i wouldnt use up all my flicker allocation | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wont be too difficult to replace the flickr upload with an ftp upload. | 09:49 |
| * czr starts proper work | 09:50 | |
| czr | have fun yall | 09:50 |
| livinroom | i dont know how to code things like that | 09:52 |
| livinroom | you guys are all like 'make it yourself' and im like | 09:52 |
| livinroom | dude | 09:52 |
| livinroom | C is the middle key on a piano | 09:52 |
| livinroom | i know that != means Not= | 09:53 |
| livinroom | and i know that C# is ass. | 09:53 |
| livinroom | and thats it | 09:53 |
| johnx | no one was born knowing how to program :) | 09:53 |
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| livinroom | anything that requires a college course is too difficult for me to master tonight. | 09:54 |
| czr | livinroom, you know how to reload your gun? programming is like that. more or less. do things in some order. think before do. most of the time :-) | 09:54 |
| johnx | it really doesn't require a college course... | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: got my url? | 09:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yup, thanks | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | np | 09:55 |
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| johnx | ah, which reminds me, Navi: check the wiki release notes for that | 09:55 |
| livinroom | reloading my gun, though, consists of the manual "push button A to eject spent magazine." "spent magazine falls to the ground due to the force of gravity." "insert loaded magazine" "press slide release" | 09:55 |
| livinroom | programming consists of | 09:55 |
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| czr | "learn to program", "write the program you want", "debug", "return to first point" | 09:56 |
| czr | see. same complexity factor.. | 09:56 |
| livinroom | sorry to spam | 09:56 |
| livinroom | int main(void) { | 09:56 |
| livinroom | char input[BUFFERSIZE]; | 09:56 |
| livinroom | printf("Enter your expression: "); | 09:56 |
| livinroom | fflush(stdout); | 09:56 |
| livinroom | fgets(input, BUFFERSIZE, stdin); | 09:56 |
| livinroom | printf("Result is: %.2f\n", evaluate(input)); | 09:56 |
| livinroom | return EXIT_SUCCESS; | 09:56 |
| livinroom | } | 09:56 |
| livinroom | that is programming | 09:56 |
| czr | actually not. that's silly :-) | 09:56 |
| livinroom | and honestly, it scares me | 09:56 |
| czr | livinroom, try some more friendly language? | 09:57 |
| czr | python/ruby whatnots. | 09:57 |
| johnx | but it can all be reduced to fairly simple basics. there's nothing scary about it...just annoying to learn, that's all | 09:57 |
| livinroom | my problem will be, going in, that i want to do something complex; and i have no idea where exactly to start, so i'll start by altering exsisting source. and when that repeatedly fails to work, i'll hit up google, and 3 cans of Monster and a can of red bull later, i'll give up, pissed off and ready to put a bullet through my GCC. | 09:58 |
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| johnx | right, that's where the patience and the reading comes in | 09:59 |
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| johnx | You need to learn how to walk before you can run | 09:59 |
| livinroom | yeah but /usr/me != patience. | 09:59 |
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| johnx | well, that's definitely a problem | 10:00 |
| livinroom | not for technical issues | 10:00 |
| forge | Then you might aswell give up or pay someone else to code | 10:00 |
| livinroom | i get very frustrated | 10:00 |
| hd_ | what are you trying to achieve? | 10:01 |
| livinroom | i want to use the camera of the n800 to take a snapshot every <interval> and upload it to an ftp site (like an oldschool webcam.) | 10:01 |
| livinroom | additionally, it must be able to use an HTTP proxy to do so :) | 10:02 |
| johnx | ah...a script would do that really easily | 10:02 |
| forge | Yeah | 10:02 |
| tank-man | a script ? that sounds too easy :) | 10:02 |
| johnx | though I forgot what app can take pics from the CLI | 10:02 |
| johnx | tank-man, I know, it's almost like cheating | 10:02 |
| tank-man | a small shell script put me out of a job | 10:03 |
| czr | unless you implement the shell for the sole purpose of interpreting the script. | 10:03 |
| czr | tank-man, that would work on a t-shirt :-) | 10:03 |
| johnx | tank-man, you should have been nicer to your sys admin :P | 10:03 |
| trickie | just lloking at that meeting log... i think next time it should be moderated | 10:04 |
| johnx | trickie, agreed | 10:04 |
| trickie | chitter chatter seemed to fill the discussion | 10:04 |
| trickie | wish i could have been there | 10:04 |
| johnx | next time we need more guidelines I think, on which questions are useful and likely to get answers | 10:05 |
| trickie | for sure | 10:06 |
| trickie | or even a prepared list of questions before hand | 10:06 |
| johnx | yeah | 10:06 |
| trickie | kind of a specific agreed agenda before hand | 10:06 |
| trickie | if they are gonna be regular meetings | 10:07 |
| trickie | anyway, good to see an attempt at communication being made | 10:07 |
| trickie | better communication | 10:07 |
| johnx | yeah, the attempt is almost more important than the content in my mind | 10:07 |
| tank-man | is the log to this irc chat public? | 10:07 |
| johnx | tank-man, yup | 10:07 |
| tank-man | the metting chat | 10:07 |
| johnx | ah, It will be up somewhere | 10:08 |
| johnx | I can DCC you my log if you want | 10:08 |
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| tank-man | sure | 10:08 |
| trickie | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 10:09 |
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| johnx | or that :) | 10:09 |
| trickie | i just went through that log :) | 10:09 |
| tank-man | url will work :) | 10:09 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://images.google.com/images?q=16bit+ubuntu&imgsz=icon&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&safe=off&start=200&sa=N | 10:19 |
| rm_you | random | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're random. | 10:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Can't even see what the image is. . . . | 10:20 |
| rm_you | the second one? | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's first one here. | 10:20 |
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| Proteous | some sort of single slit light experiment | 10:27 |
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| johnx | well, made the debian beta3 announcement on ITT. I'll wait for the horror stories to roll in... | 11:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles keeps running into walls trying to untar it. | 11:25 | |
| johnx | really? | 11:26 |
| johnx | only with the sd card? or anywhere? | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough space on my partition or device | 11:26 |
| johnx | whew | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | My Mac seems to open it | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | but no files actually appear. | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Retardation | 11:26 |
| johnx | can you just use a terminal on the mac? | 11:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and have tried. | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing | 11:27 |
| johnx | craziness | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems to get to /etc and just die. | 11:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 11:27 |
| johnx | well, damn...let me recheck it | 11:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I doubt very much it's you. | 11:27 |
| johnx | I'd like to know for sure though | 11:28 |
| rm_you | johnx: oh, did you host it somewhere? | 11:28 |
| johnx | yup | 11:28 |
| rm_you | want me to mirror it, or you good? | 11:28 |
| johnx | got three mirrors | 11:28 |
| johnx | you can too, if you want | 11:28 |
| rm_you | k | 11:28 |
| rm_you | can't hurt | 11:28 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, are you untaring as user on your mac? | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried as root, too. | 11:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | User at least threw an error | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Root just died. | 11:29 |
| johnx | tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2? | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 11:29 |
| johnx | well...I think that means your tar is broken...which is rather odd | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how that might've happened. <_< | 11:30 |
| johnx | ah...unless it's not allowing you to make devices and suid files on the FS you're untarring onto | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | HFS+ | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like a possibility. | 11:30 |
| johnx | do you have a card reader? | 11:31 |
| johnx | there is an ext2 driver for the mac I think | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was doing it with the USB cable | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's installed | 11:32 |
| johnx | when you run mount what does it show for the n800? | 11:32 |
| johnx | I mean run mount on the mac when the n800 is plugged in... | 11:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's automounted. | 11:33 |
| johnx | err...just "mount" | 11:33 |
| johnx | and see what it says about options, etc | 11:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | One sec | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Card reader is being retarded | 11:34 |
| johnx | yeah, they often are | 11:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ext2, local, nodev, nosuid | 11:35 |
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| johnx | hmm | 11:35 |
| johnx | local is interesting | 11:35 |
| johnx | nodev and nosuid would explain a lot :) | 11:35 |
| johnx | do the other fs'es have "local" too? | 11:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 11:38 |
| johnx | alright, then as root, try this: | 11:39 |
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| johnx | mount -o remount,suid,dev /Volumes/my-card | 11:39 |
| rm_you | wow thats a ridiculous mirror you have already | 11:41 |
| rm_you | downloading at 8M/s | 11:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | mount: /Volumes/Debian: unknown special file or file system. | 11:41 |
| rm_you | 03:41:28 (7.81 MB/s) - `debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2' saved [226287149/226287149] | 11:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll just free up some space on the device. ;) | 11:41 |
| rm_you | ridiculous | 11:41 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I don't have a Mac in front of me, so I can't tell you much :/ | 11:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The ext2 driver is mostly shit | 11:42 |
| johnx | yeah | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | could be causing trouble. | 11:42 |
| johnx | they mostly are windows and mac | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Built for 10.3, I believe. | 11:42 |
| johnx | skeery | 11:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wish filesystem support in general weren't so shitty. | 11:43 |
| johnx | on Mac? | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | in general | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | On Windows, on Mac, on Linux. | 11:43 |
| johnx | ah, it's always seemed nice on linux | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | We just need one or two GOOD universal filesystems. | 11:44 |
| johnx | the GUI wrappers on linux need to get better | 11:44 |
| johnx | but other than that I'm happy | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | say that to mr. patent | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | and mr. monopoly | 11:44 |
| rm_you | johnx: just got a CrystalFontz serial LCD :P | 11:44 |
| johnx | mr. patent, mr. monopoly: other than that I'm happy | 11:44 |
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| rm_you | 20x4 | 11:44 |
| rm_you | :P | 11:44 |
| johnx | rm_you, fun :D | 11:44 |
| rm_you | it's pretty awesome | 11:45 |
| johnx | it works over serial or usb? | 11:45 |
| rm_you | serial | 11:45 |
| johnx | awesome | 11:45 |
| johnx | you could do a wireless version over bluetooth! | 11:45 |
| johnx | that would be pretty cool | 11:45 |
| rm_you | may hook it up to my router to display network traffic meters | 11:45 |
| rm_you | and other pertinent info | 11:46 |
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| johnx | sounds neat | 11:47 |
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| rm_you | so yeah. i finished with school and i dont know what to do with myself | 11:50 |
| rm_you | in the last two days i've started learning Lojban, trying my hand at drawing (real art!), and decided i'm finally going to learn how to swim :) | 11:50 |
| johnx | swimming is definitely worth it | 11:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 11:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | LEARNING?! | 11:51 |
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| johnx | well I just hit kind of a stopping point in Debian so I don't really know what my next project is either... | 11:52 |
| rm_you | la .GeneralAntilles. cu sutra | 11:52 |
| rm_you | johnx: ah? :( | 11:52 |
| rm_you | nothing left to do? | 11:52 |
| johnx | (not permanently stopping, just pausing.) | 11:52 |
| rm_you | <_< | 11:52 |
| rm_you | was gonna say, if you finished every task you had left in the last week, i was going to give you a medal :P | 11:53 |
| johnx | what did I say I was gonna do again? | 11:54 |
| johnx | I have rotation, sound, power off from menu | 11:54 |
| johnx | was there something else? | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | op changer | 11:55 |
| johnx | hmm? | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | cpu highest state modifier | 11:56 |
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| KotCzarny | 400/133 mode instead of 330/220 | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:56 |
| johnx | did I say I was going to do that? | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know :) | 11:56 |
| johnx | :P | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a very good thing | 11:57 |
| rm_you | <johnx> I'll also make an op changer | 11:57 |
| * rm_you notes that the last quote may be completely fabricated | 11:57 | |
| johnx | rm_you fails it | 11:57 |
| * rm_you fails at a lot of things | 11:57 | |
| rm_you | including, if i don't get a move on, checking out of my room on time today! | 11:58 |
| * rm_you still has to pack up.... everything | 11:58 | |
| johnx | you should do that, then | 11:59 |
| johnx | go! | 11:59 |
| johnx | move! | 11:59 |
| rm_you | moving BLOWS. >_> | 12:01 |
| johnx | gah, tell me about it | 12:01 |
| johnx | cleaning is the worst part though | 12:01 |
| rm_you | >_> | 12:01 |
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| rm_you | shit. | 12:02 |
| rm_you | i'd forgotten all about the cleaning. | 12:02 |
| * rm_you dies | 12:02 | |
| * aquatix just vacuum cleaned the whole house | 12:03 | |
| aquatix | was getting damn dusty :) | 12:03 |
| * johnx will get a roomba when he moves into a bigger place | 12:04 | |
| aquatix | :) | 12:04 |
| * aquatix has too many obstacles | 12:05 | |
| aquatix | btw, a roomba can't do the stairs | 12:05 |
| johnx | eh...I'm just talking about a bigger apartment | 12:05 |
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| aquatix | ah | 12:06 |
| rm_you | MUCH DUST | 12:06 |
| * aquatix has a maissonnette | 12:06 | |
| rm_you | i don't have dust allergies or anything... but i'm sneezing like twice a minute | 12:07 |
| aquatix | [basically a 2-story apartment] | 12:07 |
| johnx | like a town house? | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | you dirty geeks | 12:07 |
| aquatix | rm_you: dust does that to you yeah :) | 12:07 |
| aquatix | johnx: i guess so | 12:07 |
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| johnx | similar idea I think | 12:08 |
| aquatix | yeah | 12:08 |
| aquatix | we have the ground-level floor and the one above | 12:08 |
| aquatix | garden ftw :) | 12:08 |
| * johnx hates plants | 12:08 | |
| * aquatix too | 12:08 | |
| johnx | if I have a house I'll pave my yard | 12:09 |
| aquatix | it's a nice place to chill out with a beer in the sun though | 12:09 |
| * aquatix has pavement and some grass | 12:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | How can you hate plants? | 12:09 |
| aquatix | well, don't hate them | 12:09 |
| aquatix | i quite like them even | 12:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You'd be dead without plants. | 12:09 |
| aquatix | but maintainance can be a chore | 12:09 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, hayfever | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 12:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail. | 12:10 |
| johnx | also, I hate them so much that I often kill them and eat them | 12:10 |
| * aquatix likes killed animals better ;) | 12:10 | |
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| aquatix | *crickets* | 12:13 |
| * aquatix is updating his openssl/openssh stuff | 12:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, johnx, it's untarring on the device. | 12:14 |
| johnx | woo! | 12:14 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 12:16 |
| johnx | mornin' b0unc3 | 12:16 |
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| b0unc3 | hi johnx , I'm happy to see your debian third release ... any news on the power managment? | 12:25 |
| johnx | well power management is ... interesting | 12:25 |
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| johnx | I've enabled sleep while idle | 12:25 |
| johnx | but I haven't done any rundown tests | 12:26 |
| johnx | I think dsme will just handle power management stuff and I don't have to worry about it, but I haven't tested either way | 12:26 |
| jdiazZzZz | I've enabled sleep while idle in my brain, too | 12:26 |
| johnx | :P | 12:26 |
| jdiazZzZz | too few sleep time, lately | 12:26 |
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| rm_you | bbl | 12:59 |
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| johnx | good luck with moving, rmoravcik | 13:00 |
| johnx | aaah...tab failure. sorry rmoravcik | 13:00 |
| rmoravcik | johnx: no problem | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, Debian's up and running. | 13:02 |
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| johnx | good news GeneralAntilles | 13:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any way to make the keyboard remember its position? | 13:05 |
| johnx | maybe, devilspie? | 13:05 |
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| johnx | ah, it might take a geometry option | 13:06 |
| lardman | dneary: ping | 13:06 |
| johnx | actually, guess not | 13:07 |
| johnx | try another keyboard, there should be lots to choose from | 13:07 |
| johnx | think of this as a starting point :) | 13:07 |
| lardman | Does anyone have a log of yesterday's meeting? | 13:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | 13:07 |
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| lardman | it's cut short though | 13:08 |
| johnx | gah, it is O_o | 13:08 |
| johnx | I have the full log if you want | 13:08 |
| dneary | lardman: pong | 13:08 |
| lardman | yes please, and I imagine X-Fade_ might like to add it to the end of that one too | 13:09 |
| lardman | dneary: just to follow up on what I was told to do yesterday :) | 13:09 |
| lardman | dneary: PowerVR, and IVA if pos - both in the original email I sent in fact | 13:09 |
| dneary | lardman: Noted :) | 13:09 |
| dneary | I got them last night, in fact | 13:09 |
| lardman | dneary: do you have a list up yet (not hassling) | 13:09 |
| dneary | No, I plan on doing a first draft today | 13:10 |
| lardman | cool | 13:10 |
| johnx | lardman, I can dcc you the log or email, your choice | 13:10 |
| lardman | johnx: email is probably easier for me | 13:10 |
| trickie | dneary: i couldn't attend the meeting, but i have some additional questions that might not have been covered yesterday, can i still submit to you some questions? | 13:10 |
| lardman | s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk | 13:10 |
| trickie | johnx: trickie at gmail dot com can i have the full one also? | 13:11 |
| johnx | sure | 13:11 |
| lardman | dneary: the other thing was a page where people can request that a package is open-sourced, and give a reason why; hrw was keen on that :) | 13:11 |
| dneary | trickie: Sure | 13:11 |
| dneary | trickie: The mailing list is really the best place | 13:12 |
| dneary | Don't hesitate to create a new thread if you have questions | 13:12 |
| trickie | dneary: cool, ill try tonight (if my internet is back on at home) | 13:12 |
| trickie | sure | 13:12 |
| trickie | i have asked before, but would like to get them into the official list :) | 13:12 |
| dneary | lardman, trickie: Someone posted a link to a log that's online on the list today | 13:12 |
| dneary | http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html | 13:12 |
| lardman | it's cut short | 13:13 |
| johnx | email sent, lardman and trickie | 13:14 |
| trickie | ta | 13:14 |
| lardman | thx | 13:14 |
| johnx | sure :) | 13:14 |
| * johnx makes dinner | 13:14 | |
| aquatix | johnx: enjoy | 13:15 |
| lardman | might be worth someone summarising the questions which were asked - I'll have a look through | 13:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see that community list of "goals only Nokia can accomplish" on the wiki. | 13:17 |
| hrw | morning | 13:18 |
| lardman | and a parallel list of goals that the community should accompilish | 13:18 |
| lardman | hrw: hi | 13:18 |
| hrw | I have full log if someone need | 13:18 |
| lardman | I've got it now thanks hrw | 13:18 |
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| hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/maemo-meeting.log | 13:19 |
| hrw | it is from 20:30 to end | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: successful install of debian here on n800 - rebooted at first after fscking the ext2 filesystem (forgot to umount cleanly), but else fine | 13:20 |
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| trickie | hrw: that 403's for me, but i have johnx's log now | 13:23 |
| pupnik_ | my favorite part about discussion, meetings and coordination is if the result is someone writing code based on my ideas :) | 13:24 |
| hrw | trickie: fixed | 13:24 |
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| pupnik_ | doesn't happen often enough :) | 13:24 |
| pupnik_ | i hope lardman gets more assistance from the big finnish company | 13:25 |
| pupnik_ | or from someone else smart like hrw :) | 13:26 |
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| * lardman has had lots of help from hrw in the past | 13:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: do you have some scripts describing how to do a debian setup from scratch perhaps? | 13:36 |
| johnx | basically I used debootstrap and a lot of stuff by hand | 13:36 |
| johnx | xomap is copied from os2008, as is the sound stuff | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | k - could be interesting to make an install script and package some of the stuff i guess | 13:37 |
| johnx | /etc/init.d/tablet-utils (not mine) handles some boot stuff | 13:37 |
| johnx | yeah I have a lot of cleaning up to do | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | but looks darn nice so far :) | 13:37 |
| johnx | thanks | 13:37 |
| johnx | I'll redo it later and make the script as I go | 13:38 |
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| hrw | lardman: and vice versa | 13:47 |
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| grape | johnx: nice work on the Debian stuff | 13:52 |
| grape | it worked right out of the brown paper bag | 13:53 |
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| pupnik_ | are there any consumer devices that debian armel runs on besides nokia tablets? | 13:53 |
| pupnik_ | there was something for psion netbook that was armel iirc | 13:54 |
| aquatix | home routers :) | 13:57 |
| aquatix | maybe the Zaurus? | 13:58 |
| aquatix | or was that just arm? | 13:58 |
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| pupnik_ | never had a zaurus | 13:58 |
| trickie | i think someone got it bootstrapped on a gumstix, but thats not really a 'consumer device' | 13:59 |
| trickie | and im not sure which gumstix | 13:59 |
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| lardman | urgh, I've been splitting the irc log into seperate conversations, my brain is feeling the pain | 14:05 |
| hrw | pupnik_: many NAS devices run armel | 14:06 |
| hrw | who maintain mediawiki on maemo.org? I would like to register | 14:07 |
| Jon | pupnik_: I run it on my thecus n2100 (a NAS box); it also runs on nslu2's | 14:08 |
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| RST38h | is armel a platform as opposed to plain arm? | 14:10 |
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| hrw | RST38h: armel is going to replace arm in debian | 14:12 |
| RST38h | but what is the physical meaning? | 14:12 |
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| hrw | armel use eabi | 14:14 |
| hrw | req armv4t+ | 14:15 |
| johnx | aquatix, I have debian (and angstrom) on the zaurus right next to me :) | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | hrw: so, it is calling convention? | 14:28 |
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| lardman | RST38h: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort | 14:32 |
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| RST38h | Found it. It's calling convention and a few other thigns. | 14:35 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/meeting/ I started splitting the IRC log into separate threads | 14:45 |
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| lardman | but got rather confused in the middle - they were not answers to my questions so I was probably not paying enough attention | 14:45 |
| lardman | if anyone fancies filling in the gaps, etc., then please do so | 14:46 |
| lardman | I've got about half way though the IRC log | 14:46 |
| RST38h | The Catholic Churchs top astronomer has said there is no contradiction between the one true faith and believing in aliens. | 14:48 |
| RST38h | Umgh | 14:48 |
| lardman | just means the aliens all believe too | 14:48 |
| RST38h | But does it mean that Jesus had gray skin and huge black eyes? | 14:49 |
| * lardman can't be bothered with theological debate before lunch, sorry | 14:51 | |
| lardman | ;) | 14:51 |
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| johnx | hmm...cell writer is kinda slow :/ | 14:56 |
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| pupnik_ | "Debian is easy to keep up to date. Thats because they don't update it." lol | 15:13 |
| aquatix | pft | 15:13 |
| pupnik_ | http://funroll-loops.info/ | 15:13 |
| aquatix | sid is rather up-to-date | 15:13 |
| jku_ | pupnik_, what do you mean? I just got a new openssl :) | 15:13 |
| pupnik_ | and by extension, sidux is | 15:13 |
| aquatix | i think almost more than ubuntu | 15:13 |
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| aquatix | lol | 15:14 |
| Blafasel | jku_: Ouch :) | 15:14 |
| aquatix | Gentoo! ZOMG SO FAST! | 15:14 |
| Blafasel | Gentoo is not about fast, imo | 15:14 |
| aquatix | for quite some people, it is | 15:15 |
| aquatix | too each his own | 15:15 |
| * aquatix rather not wastes time compiling stuff when wanting to install something | 15:15 | |
| johnx | ^what he said^ | 15:15 |
| * aquatix has a build farm doing that for him | 15:16 | |
| aquatix | :P | 15:16 |
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| pupnik_ | i had fun with gentoo, but the 'ricer' analogy is somewhat true, if mean-spirited. like aquatix says 'to each his own' | 15:17 |
| aquatix | yeah, i can't really be bothered what flavour people use | 15:18 |
| aquatix | i like the simplicity of the apt system | 15:18 |
| aquatix | but someone else wants to pull a git tree, patch some and compile it | 15:18 |
| lopz | morning | 15:18 |
| aquatix | hey lopz | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | with debian i have the choice to compile or just install | 15:19 |
| lopz | ;) | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | and sidux has daily hotfixes to .sid problems | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | and a nice kernel installer script - e-z | 15:19 |
| trickie | i find for admin duties gentoo kicks ass, but you need the resources and expertice to set it up right | 15:25 |
| trickie | build farms etc | 15:25 |
| trickie | not what im gonna recommend to my mum :) | 15:25 |
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| aquatix | trickie: my mom runs slackware ;) | 15:33 |
| aquatix | i kid, i kid | 15:33 |
| johnx | my mom runs ubuntu actually :) | 15:33 |
| trickie | he he | 15:33 |
| aquatix | my mom ran debian sid | 15:33 |
| MajMin7 | has anyone ever used libgps? | 15:33 |
| aquatix | until the laptop broke | 15:33 |
| aquatix | now she has a vista laptop :/ | 15:33 |
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| solmumaha | my mom runs freebsd | 15:35 |
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| solmumaha | and ubuntu | 15:36 |
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| solmumaha | they do work fine if person using them hasn't used windows before | 15:42 |
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| johnx | or has used windows, realized all they do is check their mail, surf the web, type things in word and play solitaire :) | 15:42 |
| solmumaha | well i just installed xubuntu for a person who had a pirated windows and didn't want to pay for one | 15:43 |
| solmumaha | he only uses firefox | 15:43 |
| solmumaha | and today he called how it's so different now and started whining about everything | 15:43 |
| johnx | and you told him to shove it? | 15:44 |
| solmumaha | i really wanted to | 15:44 |
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| solmumaha | spent ages getting it installed, the machine was so f%#!# up | 15:45 |
| trickie | is he just whinging or does he need some documentation? | 15:45 |
| solmumaha | had to replace harddrive, all cables and use a different dvd-drive | 15:45 |
| trickie | or just wants windows without paying :) | 15:45 |
| wnd | some people just don't know what's best for them | 15:46 |
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| solmumaha | i told him he can't use any old program he is used to | 15:46 |
| solmumaha | said it's ok, he only uses firefox | 15:46 |
| johnx | I switched my wife from XP to Ubuntu. Her laptop has some weird hardware issues that Linux apparently copes with but makes Windows slow to a crawl. She's pretty much adjusted after a couple weeks...but I think she still misses photoshop a lot | 15:46 |
| solmumaha | and first question was "can i have windows media player installed" | 15:46 |
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| trickie | solmumaha: ha ha | 15:47 |
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| solmumaha | and the thing is, i can't really avoid this person, he's a postman and i see him deliver mail here every day and he knows some of my relatives | 15:49 |
| n800n | johnx did she try gimpshop? | 15:50 |
| johnx | gimpshop doesn't really appear to do much... | 15:50 |
| solmumaha | i have enough trouble with relatives and friends, maybe i should just draw the line there and be a blunt about it to others | 15:50 |
| johnx | her biggest gripes are the shape tool, and missing all her brushes | 15:51 |
| johnx | solmumaha, I've found that to be a good policy | 15:51 |
| johnx | mostly I tell people "If you're asking me what kind of computer you need: buy a mac" | 15:51 |
| solmumaha | i haven't used windows in ages either and don't even own a pc | 15:51 |
| johnx | yeah, my windows troubleshooting skills are getting rusty | 15:52 |
| solmumaha | vista was a disaster imo | 15:52 |
| solmumaha | they managed to really mess it up | 15:52 |
| johnx | I poked at it once at a friend's house and once at a computer shop | 15:52 |
| johnx | it seemed nice enough...but the system requirements are kind of ridiculous if true | 15:53 |
| solmumaha | it was annoying to configure | 15:53 |
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| johnx | hmm | 15:53 |
| solmumaha | i used freebsd for ages but i do like os x nowadays, it's good enough even though leopard has some annoying features | 15:55 |
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| n800n | i dunno man, gimp does a lot of cool stuff | 15:56 |
| n800n | brushes too | 15:56 |
| johnx | n800n, don't get me wrong...I love gimp | 15:56 |
| johnx | I can't stand photoshop myself | 15:56 |
| johnx | but she's been using it for a long time and she's just grumpy that she has to relearn stuff | 15:56 |
| johnx | It's understandable | 15:56 |
| n800n | yeah | 15:57 |
| n800n | has she tried inkscape? | 15:57 |
| johnx | nah | 15:58 |
| johnx | and she's less angry at gimp as time goes by too | 15:58 |
| johnx | I'll point it out to her though | 15:58 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm gonna catch some sleep...fading fast | 15:59 |
| johnx | 'night all | 15:59 |
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| kikka_ | Heya. | 17:55 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 17:55 |
| unixSnob | Any EE folks here understand why this DC adapter doesn't have a voltage switch? http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=3379358 | 17:55 |
| kikka_ | Are there updates for openssl avaible? (are there the same problemes with the keys?) | 17:56 |
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| unixSnob | It has a power output of 8 watts. So since power=current * voltage, does that mean the current is 8/5ths on a 5V device? | 17:57 |
| ||cw | unixSnob: pretty much all cell phones use 5V these days, and ones that don't can have a little pull-up or down in the tip | 17:57 |
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| ||cw | as for amps, that's a max rating, a device will only pull what it seens | 17:58 |
| ||cw | needs | 17:58 |
| unixSnob | what I'm unsure of is if my device will overdraw that adapter | 17:58 |
| unixSnob | my device needs 2A | 17:58 |
| ||cw | sounds like it would | 17:59 |
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| unixSnob | The way i understand it, a device will draw what it needs but the PSU must be set on the right voltage. So I'm confused on how the igo PSU doesn't have a voltage setting | 18:00 |
| kulve | kikka_: I think the openssl in maemo is to old to have that bug | 18:00 |
| kulve | s,to,too, | 18:00 |
| kikka_ | kulve, sounds good | 18:00 |
| unixSnob | So, am I looking for a DC adapter that's 10+ watts? | 18:01 |
| kulve | kikka_: I'm not 100% sure though, it's some sarge version. So don't count on my word :) | 18:02 |
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| kikka_ | kulve, apt-get upgrade upgrades my openssh... | 18:10 |
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| ||cw | unixSnob: it doesn't have a voltage setting because it is only compatible with 5V devices | 18:20 |
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| unixSnob | ||cw: thanks. I didn't see that anywhere in the specs. | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Who remembers the bootmenu before fanoush's one? The one for 770 that displayed a penguin in the corner? :) | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | KILL ZE PENGUIN! KILL ZE PENGUIN! | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Tux hater :p | 18:28 |
| RST38h | ugly, smelly bird | 18:28 |
| RST38h | does not fly. eats rotten fish. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | does not sing. isn't edible. pretty stupid, even as birds go. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | no use for head decorations or coats. | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | 0_o | 18:29 |
| * unixSnob just read a news article recently about a penguin getting raped by a seal | 18:30 | |
| RST38h | no known methods of sexual molestation exist. | 18:30 |
| RST38h | [other than by a seal of course] | 18:30 |
| ricko73 | ...bbbbbut penguins are cute | 18:30 |
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| unixSnob | ricko73: seals think so too! | 18:35 |
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| kulve | kikka_: maybe ssh (as that's not provided by nokia) but I guess it didn't upgrade your libssl | 18:35 |
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| kikka_ | Hmm | 18:36 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | If you have ssh, telnet is not needed? | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 18:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Any one experienced with initfs modifying? I've gone and integrated bootmenu into latest diablo initfs by hand but I don't have enough free space. Except looking at initfs flasher,does anyone else know what files could be removed? | 18:51 |
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| * qwerty12 is just too sick. I went and integrated fanoush's bootmenu into diablo initfs. A good hours work. My initfs version is now 2008-17-qwerty12-diablo/bootmenu-custom :p | 19:04 | |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/05/tryanotherholea82d584vx9.jpg | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, g33k's heaven | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: And replace Nokia's logo with the original one: http://bp2.blogger.com/_DQk-PjsLD-A/Rs_Ik3vaxjI/AAAAAAAAARs/zmPlPv2ZDbU/s1600-h/120px-Nokia_logo_%281865%29.svg+copy.jpg | 19:11 |
| Navi | bleh | 19:11 |
| Navi | I can't turn on power saving wifi in Debian >_> | 19:11 |
| RST38h | The Rabid Fish better applies to these tablets | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I've seen that one. Ugly :P :) | 19:11 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi ... again | 19:33 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | someone know how to launch a wlan connection from python ? | 19:34 |
| hrw | exec("ifup wlan0")? | 19:34 |
| hrw | or rather "import os\n os.exec('ifup wlan0')" | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | I think you mean os.system, but does it actually work? | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | on debian ifup usually needs root | 19:35 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | this just test the connection ? it does nt init it or launch the selection dialog isn't it ? | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | has maemo hooked it up to icd? | 19:35 |
| _berto_ | you can also press Ctrl+Z, type ifup wlan0 and then fg to go back to python :-))) | 19:36 |
| fysa | can't you just try to access the network? | 19:36 |
| hrw | mgedmin: it does not work of course | 19:36 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | if i try to access the network i get a dns error | 19:36 |
| * mgedmin thought so | 19:36 | |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but it doesn t init it | 19:37 |
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| solmumaha | Khertan_on_n810: conic? | 19:39 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | conic ? | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html | 19:40 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | is it a python module ? | 19:40 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | thx | 19:40 |
| lcuk | with networking i expect the user to be the one to initiate it, even if they say ask first, asking and selecting network dialog takes battery. MUCH better to just fail unless connected | 19:40 |
| lcuk | but im not here right now ;) | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, not here | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | we all see what you do there | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, it may be possible to bring up standard maemo internet connection diablo via dbus. | 19:41 |
| solmumaha | Khertan_on_n810: didn't we have this discussion months ago? :) | 19:42 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | no month ago this was to not bring the dialog | 19:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:42 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | and scan the availaible ap silently | 19:43 |
| solmumaha | ah | 19:43 |
| dieman | wow | 19:43 |
| dieman | the maemo sdk is on akamai ;) | 19:43 |
| dieman | no wonder its downloading iat nearly 2M/sec | 19:43 |
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| timelyx | yes maemo is hosted by akamai | 19:45 |
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| dieman | repository.maemo.org is 'not so fast' ;) | 19:46 |
| dieman | now that school is done, getting the sdk installed | 19:47 |
| dieman | going to start working on an app | 19:47 |
| FreeNom | what to use for mobile internet connections with N810 (in Finland)? | 19:47 |
| FreeNom | hi, btw | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | A phone :p | 19:47 |
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| FreeNom | hm | 19:48 |
| unixSnob | it pisses me off when vendors withold specs. What's the power rating of this thing: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/undcad.html | 19:48 |
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| KotCzarny | doesn't look tough | 19:49 |
| FreeNom | Huawei E220 ? | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | probably simple chip inside | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | (@ unixsnob) | 19:49 |
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| unixSnob | Is a simple chip capable of 2 amps? | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | not at this price | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:50 |
| dieman | FreeNom: i'd get my hands on something that can do bluetooth and some sort of mobile data | 19:50 |
| * dieman uses a nokia 6133, but thats because the USA sucks at data | 19:50 | |
| dieman | yay, edge! | 19:50 |
| dieman | i might get 3g in the next 2 years | 19:50 |
| FreeNom | thanks dieman | 19:50 |
| unixSnob | well, dealextreme.com has one for 6 USD, which is capable of 2A (but out of stock) | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | out of stock doesn't matter | 19:51 |
| FreeNom | found sth like that | 19:51 |
| dieman | i had picked up a 12v->4usb and a usb->nokia plug | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen n800 for 160, ouf of stock | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | (160$) | 19:51 |
| dieman | but the 12v->4usb can't do enough power for the n810 | 19:51 |
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| FreeNom | but only windows and Mac mentioned | 19:51 |
| dieman | if the n810 says its not charging, does it use the power to at least keep the device running instead of using battery? | 19:51 |
| unixSnob | Here's one that can do 2A => http://www.laptoptravel.com/Product.aspx?ID=2019 but the thing looks like it uses a massive transformer | 19:51 |
| timelyx | kulve: the one in chinook is too old | 19:51 |
| timelyx | the one scheduled for diablo is just right | 19:52 |
| timelyx | kulve: i filed a bug, no guarantee it'll be fixed before SR | 19:52 |
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| KotCzarny | 2A but at which voltage? | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:52 |
| dieman | FreeNom: what about windows/mac? | 19:52 |
| RST38h | More power! More power! | 19:52 |
| unixSnob | KotCzarny: I need 5V | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | that was rethorical question | 19:52 |
| * RST38h melter a power supply like that once | 19:53 | |
| RST38h | s/melter/melted | 19:53 |
| unixSnob | ah, i see what you meant | 19:53 |
| FreeNom | were mentioned with that modem (huawei e220 based) | 19:53 |
| dieman | why 2A? | 19:53 |
| dieman | at 5V? | 19:53 |
| dieman | FreeNom: ahh. | 19:53 |
| FreeNom | :( | 19:53 |
| unixSnob | My portable hotspot demands 2A at 5V (the cradlepoint phs300) | 19:53 |
| dieman | oh for the e220 | 19:53 |
| dieman | i see | 19:53 |
| dieman | yeah | 19:53 |
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| RST38h | <=15Wt is normal for access points, small routers, etc | 19:54 |
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| KotCzarny | i think wrt54g is rated 5v, 1a | 19:55 |
| unixSnob | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115314&doy=14m5&C=SO&U=strat15 <= that one looks impressive.. but not worth 25 euros plus whatever it costs to ship to the US | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | In uk, we use pounds :/ | 19:55 |
| RST38h | dlink-624 wants 5V/1.5A | 19:55 |
| RST38h | pounds of what? =) | 19:56 |
| unixSnob | Well, the phs300 also has to drive a CDU680 EVDO modem, which is power hungry too | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob, just find ap that works on 12V | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | and problem solved | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:56 |
| dieman | heh | 19:56 |
| dieman | you still need electronics if you put it on a car | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:57 |
| FreeNom | any finns around? | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | true | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | (@dieman) | 19:57 |
| unixSnob | dieman: are you talking about the maplin PSU? it takes 12V input | 19:58 |
| timelyx | FreeNom: people living in finland? | 19:58 |
| FreeNom | yep | 19:58 |
| * timelyx looks at hostname | 19:58 | |
| KotCzarny | there are people living in finland? | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | omg | 19:58 |
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| FreeNom | :D | 19:58 |
| timelyx | timelyx is n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi (timeless) | 19:58 |
| Navi | Hi timelyx | 19:59 |
| timelyx | i guess i'm unfortunate enough to qualify | 19:59 |
| timelyx | hi Navi | 19:59 |
| FreeNom | ah | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | timylyx: that could be a shell account :) | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | so elisa-laajakaista like the biggest provider, most Finns I see use Elisa :) (just curious, I'm in UK( | 19:59 |
| Mousey | it could be a ssh proxy | 19:59 |
| timelyx | 07:59 Notice CTCP VERSION reply from timelyx: Snak for Macintosh 5.3.3 English | 19:59 |
| timelyx | ime ssh proxies cause the ident to say "root" | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | ctcp version can be faked | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:59 |
| timelyx | which is quite amusing :) | 19:59 |
| Mousey | they do? mine doesn't | 20:00 |
| timelyx | trust me? | 20:00 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | snak ? it s still exist | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | trust no1 | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:00 |
| timelyx | Mousey: i used to come from a spiffy uni server | 20:00 |
| timelyx | via ssh forwarding | 20:00 |
| timelyx | and my ident was root@ | 20:00 |
| Mousey | now look at you | 20:00 |
| timelyx | it was very amusing :) | 20:00 |
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| Mousey | i always come from a ssh proxy and it never says root | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | ~root@ ? | 20:00 |
| Mousey | NEVER!!! | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:00 |
| * Mousey waves menacingly | 20:01 | |
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| timelyx | KotCzarny: authenticated root@ | 20:01 |
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| KotCzarny | identd can be faking too :) | 20:01 |
| timelyx | KotCzarny: the host was a well known server | 20:01 |
| timelyx | it was trustworthy | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | you could have known server admin :) | 20:02 |
| timelyx | if you irc'd from the box, it reported correctly | 20:02 |
| timelyx | if you used forwarding, it wasn't | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | could be misconfigured too | 20:02 |
| Navi | :/ | 20:02 |
| timelyx | but anyway, ... | 20:02 |
| timelyx | what can i do for you? | 20:02 |
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| KotCzarny | sandwich | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:02 |
| FreeNom | timelyx: have a PM in finnish? | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | with cheese pls :) | 20:03 |
| timelyx | i don't speak finnish :) | 20:03 |
| timelyx | i'm studying :) | 20:03 |
| FreeNom | hmm | 20:04 |
| Navi | timelyx, really? | 20:04 |
| Navi | Wow | 20:04 |
| FreeNom | sorry then | 20:04 |
| FreeNom | thought u were from here | 20:04 |
| FreeNom | :( | 20:04 |
| Navi | timelyx, why isn't the latest version of microb in diablo? | 20:04 |
| Navi | or uh, the testing build | 20:04 |
| timelyx | Navi: um, what version is in it? | 20:04 |
| Navi | I don't remember | 20:05 |
| timelyx | Navi: we branched for diablo | 20:05 |
| Navi | Ah | 20:05 |
| timelyx | as it happens they're pushing us to pull in more fixes | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | fix junkies | 20:05 |
| timelyx | so it's quite likely what you'll see is newer than what you got | 20:06 |
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| timelyx | KotCzarny: only sometimes | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:07 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | why google have made a so disturbed gdata python api ??? | 20:07 |
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| timelyx | Navi: anyway, time for me to attack my router and work on relnotes | 20:10 |
| Navi | k | 20:10 |
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| picoshark | hi all, 770 newbie here. installed latest 2007hacker.xxx can i use http_proxy variable in sources.lst like regular debian? | 20:16 |
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| lardman | any LinuxTag attendees about? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i am but im looking for a new suitcase | 20:24 |
| lardman | :) | 20:24 |
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| lardman | I was wondering when we were going to discuss talks & food/drinks/general meeting up | 20:24 |
| lcuk | im not sure, but what i know is me and pupnik arrive on wednesday dinner - so wed night would be good | 20:25 |
| lcuk | http://www.artotel.de/berlin_mitte/berlin.html | 20:25 |
| lcuk | thats where we are | 20:25 |
| lardman | I arrive on Tuesday evening, so would work for me | 20:25 |
| * mgedmin is going to linuxtag too | 20:26 | |
| lardman | lcuk: are your bookings though the Nokia travel agent? | 20:26 |
| Navi | http://www.xenf.net/images/cellwriter_n800.png <- Debian is cool :o | 20:26 |
| lcuk | we have wireless internet in room, so emailing would be possible | 20:26 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:26 |
| lardman | mgedmin: when are you getting there? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, are you going with nokia or under your own steam | 20:26 |
| lardman | lcuk: I seem to remember Quim saying that all the attendees would be at the same hotel? | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | nokia | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | I've gone and untarred debian, I'm trying it now :) | 20:27 |
| keesj | Navi: looks cool | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | let me check... 27 may is tuesday, right? | 20:27 |
| Navi | qwerty12, hard to use without swap | 20:27 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, :/. I'll go and make one later :) | 20:27 |
| dougt | does anyone know which scratchbox package bfd.h is part of? | 20:28 |
| keesj | horray for the new wiki to come! | 20:28 |
| dougt | i thought it was binutils, but no dice. | 20:28 |
| Navi | I just used the one that was made in maemo | 20:28 |
| lcuk | whats the bfd with bfd? | 20:28 |
| dougt | heh | 20:28 |
| dougt | yeah. BFD! | 20:29 |
| lcuk | lardman, he said he would try | 20:29 |
| lcuk | you arent booked through nokia though are you | 20:30 |
| Navi | qwerty12, the N800 always runs hot though | 20:30 |
| lcuk | hand warmer | 20:30 |
| Navi | I can't turn on power saving wifi | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, I'm used to it :) | 20:30 |
| dougt | Navi: what you mean, the one made in maemo? | 20:30 |
| Navi | the .swap | 20:30 |
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| dougt | is it installed in your scratchbox maemo sdk? | 20:30 |
| dougt | ah. | 20:30 |
| dougt | your fu is strong. | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, how to check power saving? I'll try later. | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: dmesg|tail | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | :/. Thanks :/ | 20:31 |
| lcuk | gah, between suitcase explosions and dvd burning taking hours (x16 burner at x2 speed \-/) | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | at least it's not you burning the holes in the plastic | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:31 |
| lcuk | thats the laser | 20:32 |
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| * lcuk flexes his fingers when saying that | 20:32 | |
| Khertan_on_n810 | arg can t open more than 15 xterm window ... | 20:33 |
| dougt | another question. Is there a way to ensure that power mode is complete disabled and we are running as fast as possible. I have a device that is used for testing Fennec, and it runs over a page loading test to watch memory growth. I don't want to have mess with UI to enable/disable power settings. | 20:33 |
| lcuk | yes i run into that problem every day | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan_on_n810, I think max value somewhere needs increasing | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | Check in osso-af-init somwhere | 20:34 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | thx ! | 20:34 |
| lardman | lcuk: Do we need to get tickets for LinuxTag ourselves, or do we get them automatically? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | dougt, yes, write "performance" to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor to run at full speed, revert to "ondemand" or "powersave" when done | 20:35 |
| lcuk | lardman, im not sure and if you find out this week could you mail me | 20:35 |
| lardman | will do | 20:35 |
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| lardman | with that said I'm away most of the week so probably in the same boat as you are | 20:36 |
| lcuk | infact, would be better to post onto dev list so everyone needing to know will find out | 20:36 |
| lcuk | ask the question there? then we see replies | 20:36 |
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| KotCzarny | or make a faq | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | and post a link repeatedly | 20:36 |
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| dougt | thanks lcuk ! | 20:37 |
| lcuk | right, my 810 - if im taking it on the plane how do i get into wireless OFF mode? | 20:37 |
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| sp3000 | power button, short press | 20:38 |
| lardman | if the plane starts shuddering shut down | 20:38 |
| lcuk | lol thx sp | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | that disables bluetooth as well doesnt it | 20:39 |
| sp3000 | looks like it yeah | 20:39 |
| lcuk | cool thx | 20:39 |
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| picoshark | where can i get ncurses? looks like it's missing at http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.5-1_all.deb | 20:40 |
| Navi | ncurses is in the main repo, isn't it? | 20:41 |
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| picoshark | navi: haven't checked the ver there, actually | 20:41 |
| picoshark | navi: until i get proxy set, i have to grab debs on another machine, then move them over | 20:42 |
| lcuk | w000t dvd 97% complete | 20:43 |
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| Grackle | johnx: Are you around? I'm curious about what you're doing to get debian set up on the n800. I know you provide tarballs, but I'm more interested in the process. | 21:16 |
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| KotCzarny | i think he put howto on maemo.org | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | or itt | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Force Feedback Headphones | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Umgh. | 21:18 |
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| * unixSnob never heard of linuxtag till now | 21:18 | |
| KotCzarny | rst: sounds like a 'good idea [tm]' | 21:18 |
| Grackle | The howto is 'how to get the tarball onto your n800,' which is simple enough. I'm interested in the 'how I did it' section, which is now obsolete. | 21:19 |
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| unixSnob | I see Stallman in the photos at linuxtag.org.. what was he doing there? trying to get them to change the name to gnulinuxtag? | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | grackle: ahm, but i think it's there, even obsoleted | 21:19 |
| Grackle | Hah RST38h, a friend of mine has some force feedback headphones. Despite the silly marketspeak, they are quality headphones and a lot of fun with games. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Grackle: http://rafb.net/p/Sf0fdf80.html from earlier | 21:20 |
| johnx | hey Grackle | 21:20 |
| johnx | just woke up actually | 21:20 |
| Grackle | Oh, thanks. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, real johnx came around :P | 21:20 |
| Grackle | oh hey | 21:20 |
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| johnx | so what about the process? | 21:21 |
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| Grackle | Are you running i386 debootstrap? | 21:21 |
| johnx | I guess I should do a big write-up | 21:21 |
| johnx | yup | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Grackle: But do they force-feedback? =) | 21:21 |
| Grackle | That would be very nice, heh. | 21:21 |
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| johnx | I do debootstrap --foreign from x86 | 21:21 |
| Grackle | I guess so, RST38h. They rumble. | 21:22 |
| johnx | then set it up for usb networking | 21:22 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:22 |
| johnx | and installed a static dropbear ssh | 21:22 |
| Grackle | Oh, --foreign is what I was missing, I think. | 21:22 |
| johnx | I also grabbed tablet-utils from pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org's bzr repo | 21:23 |
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| johnx | hmm...it's been a long time since I've done this from scratch :) | 21:23 |
| johnx | I've been "evolving" the same install for months now | 21:24 |
| RST38h | "How to rescue Java from the men in suits" | 21:24 |
| RST38h | (Jesus, please, don't let 'em "rescue java"!) | 21:24 |
| Grackle | johnx: Ah, I was afraid of that. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | let it f@#king die how it should, so that we no longer have to deal with this crap | 21:25 |
| flo_lap | RST38h: heh | 21:25 |
| johnx | Grackle, it's not too bad to start from scratch as long as you have a machine to do usb networking from | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: there's always diff -ru comparing your tar.gz and your debootstrap ;) | 21:26 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, heh :) | 21:26 |
| Grackle | Cool johnx, I'll give it a shot. This should be fun. | 21:26 |
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| johnx | Grackle, it definitely was :) | 21:26 |
| Grackle | I'll try to make notes along the way to add to the wiki. | 21:26 |
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| johnx | that would be great! | 21:27 |
| johnx | aaah...just remembered: I used utelnetd, not dropbear | 21:27 |
| johnx | and I had it run sh instead of login | 21:27 |
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| johnx | basically you can get a single user shell really early in the init process that way | 21:27 |
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| johnx | I also have a "how I did it" for the first debian release thing up here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian-old | 21:28 |
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| johnx | if you get stuck use that...but I really don't do it quite that way any more | 21:29 |
| Grackle | The debootstrap line works though, right? | 21:29 |
| johnx | yeah | 21:30 |
| johnx | and usb-net+utelnetd is the quickest way to get started | 21:30 |
| trickie | johnx: hey! where is that bzr repo? for tablet-utils | 21:30 |
| johnx | hidden away on pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org | 21:30 |
| johnx | even I didn't know about it until the second release of debian O_o | 21:31 |
| johnx | let me find a link | 21:31 |
| trickie | cool no rush | 21:31 |
| johnx | http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/ | 21:32 |
| trickie | ta | 21:33 |
| Grackle | Gah, I trimmed my nails today.. *struggles to get his N800 battery out* | 21:33 |
| johnx | credit card | 21:34 |
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| johnx | or just slap it around a bit :) | 21:34 |
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| Grackle | I got it out with a plastic thing on my desk | 21:34 |
| Grackle | I didn't want to hit it, but I guess there aren't really any moving parts to damage. | 21:35 |
| Grackle | Hell, I dropped it on the floor once, and it's still doing fine. | 21:35 |
| johnx | the more you pull the battery the less hard you have to hit it | 21:35 |
| johnx | I can just hold mine and kind of give it a firm tap | 21:35 |
| Grackle | Ah, yeah, it's just held in place by a couple tabs. | 21:36 |
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| Grackle | Hmm, no binary-armel on that mirror | 21:39 |
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| johnx | interesting | 21:42 |
| johnx | ftp.debian.org? | 21:43 |
| johnx | all the country mirrors seem to have it | 21:43 |
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| Navi | hey johnx | 21:44 |
| johnx | hey | 21:44 |
| Grackle | Yup, I just tried the us mirror and it's working. | 21:45 |
| johnx | Navi, ah, power saving and debian? | 21:45 |
| Navi | the wifi chip's always running on the N800 in Debian so it's hot :P | 21:45 |
| johnx | yeah | 21:45 |
| Grackle | ftp.debian-ports.org didn't have it, and I tried another mirror that didn't have something else, but the us mirror seems to be working. | 21:45 |
| johnx | I wonder what wlancond does to make it go into power saving mode :| | 21:45 |
| johnx | ah, debian ports doesn't have it anymore | 21:45 |
| Navi | >_> | 21:46 |
| Navi | Cell writer is cool though | 21:46 |
| johnx | yeah, though a little slow | 21:46 |
| johnx | I mean slow to use, not really slow to run | 21:47 |
| Navi | yeah | 21:47 |
| Navi | I keep it in the tray | 21:47 |
| johnx | writing in monospace just isn't natural | 21:47 |
| Navi | hide/unhide when I need it | 21:47 |
| * johnx misses grafiti 1 | 21:47 | |
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| Navi | heh | 21:48 |
| johnx | even though it ruined my actual handwriting | 21:48 |
| Navi | :) | 21:48 |
| Navi | I don't know how to switch out WMs on this thing, so I just killed xfdesktop, xfce4-session, and xfwm and replaced it with openbox | 21:49 |
| johnx | I was just about to document that :) | 21:49 |
| Grackle | hah Navi, I did the exact same thing | 21:49 |
| Navi | two hour uptime atm, 50MB ram and 50MB swap used | 21:49 |
| johnx | rc.local has a really odd hack that calls /home/user/.xsession | 21:49 |
| Navi | though, only thing open is cell writer | 21:49 |
| Navi | :) | 21:50 |
| Navi | ah | 21:50 |
| Navi | got it | 21:50 |
| Grackle | Oh, I tried editing .xsession to exec openbox-session (openbox-gnome-session calls on gnome-session, which doesn't exist), and that didn't work. | 21:50 |
| Navi | crap | 21:50 |
| johnx | I really didn't want to drag down a whole display manager and all pain that goes with it :( | 21:50 |
| Navi | I'm used to using vi | 21:51 |
| Navi | on the tablet | 21:51 |
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| Navi | >_> | 21:51 |
| Grackle | yay | 21:51 |
| Grackle | I actually compiled vim on my n800 | 21:51 |
| Navi | There was a vim build | 21:52 |
| Navi | :/ | 21:52 |
| johnx | Grackle, just for bragging writes? | 21:52 |
| Grackle | I've got a deb. Hold on. | 21:52 |
| johnx | s/writes/rights | 21:52 |
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| Grackle | I just got a build system set up, and I wondered what I could build. vim was the guinea pig | 21:52 |
| Navi | Anyways, vi build on Debian doesn't let you use arrows | 21:52 |
| Navi | so I need to relearn to type vim | 21:53 |
| Grackle | Aw, I was using my friend's server to host files, but I think he's going home from college today. The server is down, anyway. | 21:53 |
| Grackle | alias vi to vim | 21:54 |
| Navi | meh | 21:54 |
| Navi | nah | 21:54 |
| * Grackle shrugs | 21:54 | |
| Navi | I'd rather relearn that extra character | 21:54 |
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| Grackle | Oh, johnx, if you have a USB keyboard hooked up, can you switch to virtual consoles? | 21:55 |
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| johnx | yup | 21:55 |
| keesj | include <maemo.h> #define BEGIN { | 21:55 |
| Grackle | hahhh that's awesome | 21:55 |
| johnx | yeah...I was having entirely too much fun | 21:56 |
| MajMin7 | does anyone have a link to chinook source repositories? | 21:56 |
| Navi | lawl | 21:56 |
| Navi | I forgot that synergy doesn't capture ctrl+alt+1 | 21:56 |
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| wnight | Does rlfe work for anyone? I'm trying to get readline support for irb. | 21:56 |
| Navi | so I switched on my desktop >_> | 21:56 |
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| johnx | MajMin7, at least some is here: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0.1/free/source/ | 21:57 |
| johnx | Navi, chvt | 21:57 |
| Navi | eh | 21:57 |
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| Grackle | lol Navi | 21:58 |
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| Navi | matchbox keyboard is annoying | 21:58 |
| Navi | there's the main keyboard that would be perfectly usable with thumbs when stretched out | 21:59 |
| Navi | and then there's the four rarely used buttons on the side with a huge chunk of whitespace below | 21:59 |
| johnx | I think you can feed it a different layout | 21:59 |
| johnx | Please, fix it and tell me. :) | 21:59 |
| Navi | If that isn't a huge wtf, I don't know what is. | 21:59 |
| Grackle | I dislike the fact that the matchbox keyboard keys have spaces in between them. | 22:00 |
| johnx | me too | 22:00 |
| Navi | I tried finding it, but it doesn't mention it in the man page | 22:00 |
| Navi | nor on google | 22:00 |
| Navi | I'm fine with that | 22:01 |
| johnx | dpkg -L matchbox-keyboard | 22:01 |
| Navi | it keeps me from accidentally tapping the key next to it | 22:01 |
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| Grackle | Haha, from matchbox-project.org. Features... "Well Documented." *clicks on 'Documented' link* FOUR OH FOUR! | 22:02 |
| Navi | johnx, comes with different layouts | 22:02 |
| johnx | great | 22:02 |
| johnx | I'll poke at it in a sec | 22:03 |
| Navi | xml files | 22:03 |
| Navi | easy 'nuff | 22:03 |
| * Navi deletes | 22:03 | |
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| johnx | heh...We can have a ginormous number pad | 22:04 |
| johnx | someone has to want that | 22:04 |
| Grackle | http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/README Navi, here's some documentation on matchbox-keyboard (worth noting is the section on keyboard layouts) | 22:04 |
| Navi | >_> | 22:04 |
| johnx | Navi, and the same README is in /usr/share/doc/matchbox-keyboard of course :P | 22:05 |
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| Navi | pfft | 22:06 |
| Navi | awesome | 22:06 |
| Navi | I removed the space tags and now I have a big keyboard | 22:06 |
| Navi | scrot time | 22:07 |
| Navi | btw | 22:07 |
| Navi | it bugs me that the user account is expired :P | 22:07 |
| johnx | password -u user | 22:08 |
| johnx | why do I even write wikis? >_> | 22:08 |
| Navi | http://www.xenf.net/images/matchbox-keyboard.png | 22:08 |
| Navi | Because you suck | 22:08 |
| johnx | that looks nice | 22:09 |
| johnx | I forgive you | 22:09 |
| Grackle | haha | 22:09 |
| Navi | :P | 22:09 |
| Grackle | oh very nice | 22:09 |
| Grackle | also huge | 22:09 |
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| Navi | huge indeed | 22:09 |
| pupnik_ | wow a virtual keyboard with things in the right place | 22:10 |
| * pupnik_ falls over | 22:10 | |
| Navi | lets me thumb around | 22:10 |
| Grackle | I think I'd prefer having the numpad and no number row | 22:10 |
| johnx | Grackle, just crack open an xml file :) | 22:10 |
| Navi | Just make your own | 22:10 |
| Navi | yeah | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: ever seen xvkbd ? :) | 22:10 |
| Grackle | yup, I probably will | 22:10 |
| Grackle | the default sucks | 22:10 |
| johnx | you can even keep more layouts around and launch them with separate shortcuts :D | 22:10 |
| Navi | you can have shifted keys | 22:10 |
| Navi | I'm going to add a numpad on the shifted symbol state | 22:11 |
| pupnik_ | yeah KotCzarny i need to promote xvkbd more | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:11 |
| Navi | and take out the top row | 22:11 |
| pupnik_ | since xkbd is broken on os2008 | 22:11 |
| Navi | change \ to backspace | 22:11 |
| Navi | http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml | 22:12 |
| Navi | that's what I have in the screenie | 22:12 |
| Grackle | So, somehow I really borked my ITOS installation. I'm not sure what I did (I think I just shut down improperly), but now I no longer have controls (scroll bars, sliders, buttons) and some other graphical elements are missing. | 22:12 |
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| johnx | O_o | 22:12 |
| Grackle | It is very strange, to say the least. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | Grackle, head down to engineering and control the ship from there | 22:13 |
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| KotCzarny | grackle: try selecting another theme? | 22:13 |
| Grackle | Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. I'll give that a shot. | 22:13 |
| * Grackle boots back up | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | how can you select another theme if you cannot click apply? | 22:13 |
| Grackle | I was about to reflash. | 22:13 |
| Grackle | Well, I have buttons, but they have no borders. | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: click frenzy | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:14 |
| Grackle | I don't have scrollbars at all | 22:14 |
| Navi | The manpage needs to not suck for matchbox-keyboard | 22:14 |
| Navi | I'm going to go send them an email | 22:14 |
| Grackle | The scroll buttons on the big sidebar menus work, even though they can't be seen | 22:14 |
| Grackle | hah, the brightness adjust works even though the graphic is not there | 22:15 |
| lcuk | have you lost the grapics folder its expecting to find | 22:15 |
| Grackle | Different theme does not fix it. It still has the same problems. | 22:16 |
| Grackle | Oh well, I will reflash, there is nothing important on here. | 22:16 |
| johnx | one sec | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | that's why having ssh-server is useful | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:16 |
| johnx | I thought I saw a similar thread on itt | 22:16 |
| Grackle | it's still pretty usable | 22:16 |
| Grackle | I do have ssh-server | 22:16 |
| Grackle | the virtual keyboards are usable, the buttons just don't have lines around them | 22:17 |
| Grackle | oh wow, I can access the shared folder on my desktop machine | 22:17 |
| Grackle | that hasn't worked before | 22:17 |
| Grackle | hah, my nonexistant scrollbars work | 22:18 |
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| Saviq | hi all, when I want to use internal sd card on my n800 to boot from, what do I need the vfat partition for? | 22:18 |
| johnx | you don't | 22:19 |
| Saviq | so I can simply format the whole card to ext2 and that's it? | 22:19 |
| johnx | the only reason to keep it is to share files with a windows computer | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | not only | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | it's only useful to stop 'corrupted card' nagging | 22:19 |
| Grackle | If you plan on booting into the ITOS, it's handy to have that vfat partition. | 22:19 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, eh? | 22:20 |
| Grackle | and that | 22:20 |
| johnx | I've never run into that at all... | 22:20 |
| Grackle | I had that problem | 22:20 |
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| johnx | ok, well there you have it, 2/3 #maemo'ers recommend a vfat partition :) | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it's not corrupted card | 22:20 |
| Saviq | Grackle: booting into ITOS meaning the system from flash? | 22:20 |
| Grackle | yeah | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's just mounter saying that it can't mount | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:21 |
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| johnx | right, but I've never run into that | 22:21 |
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| KotCzarny | (and it expects vfat on first partition) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | me too, but i have vfat partition anyway | 22:21 |
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| Saviq | one more question - when I set my root device to ask:mmc2 the selected entry was the external card, isn't the mmc2 the internal card? | 22:22 |
| Grackle | johnx, any luck finding that thread? | 22:22 |
| * Grackle didn't find anything | 22:22 | |
| johnx | not yet...but I *swear* it exists | 22:22 |
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| Grackle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14915&highlight=disappeared I found it, wee | 22:23 |
| johnx | ah, disappeared. I was googling missing | 22:23 |
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| Grackle | Saviq, I noticed that as well. I've never waited for the timeout to finish to see if it actually boots the right one. | 22:29 |
| Saviq | I'll try and get back to you | 22:29 |
| Grackle | cool | 22:29 |
| Grackle | Well johnx, the fix mentioned in that thread worked. Thanks. | 22:30 |
| Grackle | Sure was strange.. | 22:30 |
| johnx | yeah, that is one incredibly odd problem | 22:30 |
| johnx | yeah, Navi, I'm having no luck with power management | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 22:31 |
| johnx | just the wireless card I mean | 22:32 |
| johnx | wlancond must prod it in some special way to turn on power management | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's about CAM timeout, probably | 22:33 |
| johnx | CAM timeout? | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | that's from dmesg | 22:33 |
| johnx | oh, neat | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | cx3110x: PSM dynamic with 100 ms CAM timeout. | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 22:34 |
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| johnx | 100ms O_o | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | 200ms is moderate | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | and 4000ms is max | 22:34 |
| johnx | heh...that explains a lot | 22:34 |
| johnx | I just ran iwconfig wlan0 power on and it set to 51020 ms | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | i'm amazed it's the first time you see it | 22:34 |
| johnx | that doesn't seem helpful :/ | 22:35 |
| johnx | I just started working on this power management stuff | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | 51s ? | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 22:35 |
| johnx | heh...yeah | 22:35 |
| Grackle | haha o_O | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's different setting | 22:35 |
| johnx | unfortunately...most of the iwconfig power commands don't work | 22:36 |
| johnx | the wext implementation is pretty thin | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | better than nothing, though | 22:36 |
| Grackle | Any idea why I can't mount ext2 partitions on my (OS2008) tablet? I have e2fsprogs installed. I'm trying mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/scratch, and mount tells me that mounting blah on blah failed | 22:37 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, oh definitely | 22:37 |
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| KotCzarny | grackle: missing module? | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | grackle: cat /proc/filesystems | 22:37 |
| johnx | it should support ext2 with the default kernel | 22:37 |
| johnx | what does dmesg say? | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | if ext2 is missing just load the module | 22:38 |
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| Grackle | modprobe can't parse modules.dep | 22:38 |
| Grackle | That sounds like it might be the problem. | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | you can insmod | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | or symlink | 22:39 |
| johnx | OS2008 doesn't use modules.dep/modprobe | 22:39 |
| johnx | by default | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: not true | 22:39 |
| Grackle | hm | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | it uses | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | but modules are in different place | 22:39 |
| Grackle | In the past I haven't had to insmod anything to get ext2 to work | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | ie. on /mnt/initfs | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | instead in /lib/modules | 22:39 |
| johnx | ah, fair enough | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | if you symlink properly it works | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | i have just copied whole dir | 22:39 |
| johnx | *you* can't use modprobe on OS2008 unless you symlink things into place or move them | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: that's better | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:40 |
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| Grackle | Where are the modules? /lib/modules is nonexistant | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | search in /mnt/initfs | 22:41 |
| Grackle | oh right | 22:41 |
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| Grackle | Unknown symbols and other strangeness. | 22:42 |
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| Grackle | I wonder if this is the installation that I tried flashing kernels on. | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | grackle: ext2/3 have some deps | 22:42 |
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| KotCzarny | don't remember the name | 22:43 |
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| johnx | mbcache | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 22:43 |
| johnx | and jbd for ext3 | 22:43 |
| Grackle | oh, yay | 22:44 |
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| Grackle | mounted | 22:44 |
| Grackle | thanks | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | that would be 5EUR | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | *ding* | 22:45 |
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| Grackle | http://www.american.edu/carmel/sk3207a/EuroPNew-05ECU-2002-donatedbig_f.jpg Here y'are! | 22:46 |
| Saviq | Grackle: the correct name for internal is immc2 in the default setup | 22:46 |
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| Grackle | Oh, okay. So if you set immc2, it autoselects the right one? | 22:47 |
| Saviq | yes, but it defaults to partition 2 anyway | 22:47 |
| cjohnson | I have an n800, with dual 2GB SD cards. For some reason, the internal gets mounted to mmc2 and the external gets mounted to mmc1 automatically | 22:47 |
| Saviq | I'm editing bootmenu.sh to boot from partition 1 | 22:47 |
| cjohnson | how can I reverse this? there's nothing in /etc/fstab about either one | 22:48 |
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| KotCzarny | cjohnson: fstan is ignored on tablet anyway | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | fstab | 22:48 |
| cjohnson | So what can I do? | 22:48 |
| Grackle | cjohnson: That's correct, actually. internal is normally mmc2 | 22:49 |
| cjohnson | Grackle, I'm trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Extending_the_n800%27s_Root_File_System_to_the_MMC | 22:49 |
| cjohnson | To extend my internal storage to my internal SD card | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | extending sucks | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | cloning rocks | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:49 |
| cjohnson | but the guide is expecting it all to get on mmc1, not mmc2 | 22:49 |
| cjohnson | I tried swapping references to mmc1 with mmc2 | 22:49 |
| Grackle | cjohnson: The general consensus is that booting from the card is a lot better and easier than extending. | 22:50 |
| cjohnson | Grackle, where might I find a guide for that then? | 22:50 |
| Grackle | It's faster, and it leaves you with a working OS on the internal flash, so you can fix things if your standard one breaks. | 22:50 |
| cjohnson | I don't really care how, I just want more storage space for apps | 22:50 |
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| egsavage | cjohnson: I'd just make a new filesystem on the mem card and get out of the builtin RAM | 22:50 |
| Grackle | There is a page on the wiki, if I can just find it.. | 22:51 |
| Grackle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOW_TO:_Simplest_and_Complete_Cloning_of_OS_to_MMC%3B_Dual-Booting cjohnson | 22:51 |
| Grackle | cjohnson: And here are simplified instructions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 22:51 |
| cjohnson | Grackle, awesome, thanks :D | 22:52 |
| egsavage | it will be a tad faster too - no compressed filesystem anymore ;-) | 22:52 |
| Grackle | you're welcome | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | egsavage: assuming your sd card is fast | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:52 |
| egsavage | well, you'll still get back some CPU cycles no matter what | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| cjohnson | heh | 22:53 |
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| cjohnson | Is there a way to determine the speed of the card? | 22:54 |
| cjohnson | it didn't mention it on packaging | 22:54 |
| gpd | anyone got anything bad to say about the Nokia E51 before I commit to purchase? | 22:54 |
| johnx | 51 is an awfully small number... | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | E isn't a very pretty letter, either. | 22:55 |
| cjohnson | E51 looks like esi, and I have no idea what that stands for | 22:55 |
| cjohnson | I'd be pretty upset | 22:55 |
| Grackle | haha johnx | 22:55 |
| gpd | ah - but it is e51... or 10^51 ... ;) | 22:55 |
| johnx | aaah, much better | 22:55 |
| gpd | ok - BUY BUY BUY! | 22:56 |
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| cjohnson | brilliant | 22:56 |
| gpd | any reason to pay 30 GBP extra to get from Nokia... rather than for example - www.play.com | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | simlock? | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:57 |
| gpd | ok - this one is unlocked - can't think of any other reasons | 22:58 |
| Blafasel | Nice.. E51 without camera would be neat. | 22:58 |
| gpd | yeah - not yet released but on their site. wonder how much lighter. | 22:58 |
| cjohnson | So in these guides, it creates 2 partitions, ususally 512MB for the first one. What is that partition for? Storage? | 22:59 |
| gpd | and I don't need to spend ages researching Blackberries - 'cos they are evil - correct? | 22:59 |
| gpd | or at least they will give no benefit to my N800. | 22:59 |
| Grackle | cjohnson: the first partition is vfat, it's there because the second partiton will be the system partition, and it still needs something to mount as mmc2 | 23:00 |
| cjohnson | Grackle, so could I just make it 1mb? | 23:00 |
| Grackle | sure | 23:00 |
| cjohnson | alright | 23:00 |
| cjohnson | I have a second card for storage | 23:01 |
| cjohnson | And I have my iPod for heavy storage | 23:01 |
| gpd | [wow - mentioning 'blackberry' elicits zero response... hmm] | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | blackberry is the devil | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | stay away! | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | beware! | 23:02 |
| Grackle | oh heh, I didn't notice | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | the power of christ compels you! | 23:02 |
| gpd | ok - better - thanks :) | 23:02 |
| cjohnson | :P | 23:02 |
| Grackle | A friend of mine had a blackberry, he seemed to like it. :P | 23:02 |
| Grackle | I would rather have an n810 though | 23:03 |
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| Grackle | An N800 wouldn't work for him, because he needed the keyboard (rather, his wife needed the keyboard, because she is mostly deaf and couldn't use it as a phone) | 23:03 |
| cjohnson | I'd rather actually have an n800 | 23:03 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, great. None of the network providers here supports the E51 _without_ camera. =( | 23:03 |
| cjohnson | The only reason I want the n800 more is the dual SD slots | 23:04 |
| cjohnson | other than that, more internal storage and a physical keyboard would be great | 23:04 |
| Grackle | Hmm, I didn't realize the N810 didn't have dual SD slots. | 23:04 |
| cjohnson | but it's 200 bucks cheaper for n800 | 23:04 |
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| cjohnson | so that's what i got :D | 23:04 |
| Grackle | Yeah, the price difference sure helped me make up my mind. | 23:04 |
| gpd | no GPS in N800 :( | 23:04 |
| cjohnson | yeah | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | that i sure wish i had | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | but at the same point | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | i can't get maps anyway | 23:05 |
| johnx | well the gps in the n810 isn't all that awesome either... | 23:05 |
| Grackle | I would like a GPS. Meh. I will probably pick up a bluetooth or USB gps. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 GPS is a joke. | 23:05 |
| gpd | and I am getting sick of my BT GPS dropping out in maemomapper ... | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy a BT GPS and be done with it. | 23:05 |
| Grackle | Someone in some thread (yay citations) said that the n810 gps problems were all in software. | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | you can't get internet without having a connection through a phone or something | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | so you can't get the maps to go with the gps | 23:05 |
| gpd | the bt GPS was perfect under OS2007 but since 2008 it craps out constantly - unusable in fact. | 23:05 |
| cjohnson | you'd need em before hand, or a ton of storage just for them | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not all, Grackle. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpd, sounds like you have a problem | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 100% for me. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, what are you talking about? | 23:06 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: I tried a clean install of 2008 - but still sux. | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You precache maemo mapper's maps. | 23:06 |
| glass | cjohnson: it's an online oriented device in my eyes anyways so umts phone or similar is a logical companion.. | 23:06 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: which BT GPS do you have? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You at the most recent version of maemo mapper? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 | 23:06 |
| cjohnson | glass, right, but I would only use GPS in the car, where I don't have any 'net access | 23:06 |
| cjohnson | I have wifi at work, school, and home, and that's where I primarily use it | 23:07 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: Mine is iBlue 737... ie. not the standard one :( | 23:07 |
| Grackle | cjohnson: You can download entire maps. Like, US east cost is 700MB. | 23:07 |
| Grackle | east coast* | 23:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, you're still not making sense | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need internet for the maps. | 23:07 |
| cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, either internet, or save them before hand | 23:07 |
| Grackle | haha >.< | 23:07 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: did you change any settings or is it default install? | 23:07 |
| cjohnson | 700MB is pretty hefty for a mobile device like that | 23:08 |
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| johnx | 2GB SD cards are $15 | 23:08 |
| cjohnson | cheaper usually | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpd, tons and tons of settings are changed. | 23:08 |
| cjohnson | regardless, that's a little over 1/3 of that whole card | 23:08 |
| cjohnson | just for GPS | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | cjohnson, you don't need 700MB, make it 150MB. | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | 8gb is nice | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or buy a $30 8GB | 23:08 |
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| johnx | there's not much that can be done about maps taking up space. If you buy a dedicated GPS it comes with enough storage for the maps built into it... | 23:09 |
| johnx | either way you're paying for storage | 23:09 |
| johnx | if you buy a phone w/ GPS you end up doing slow, expensive maps transfer OTA | 23:10 |
| cjohnson | GeneralAntilles, how do you propose I shrink 700MB maps down to 150MB? | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By downloading fewer levels | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | or not downloading certain areas | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is maemo mapper | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" just plain sucks period. | 23:10 |
| cjohnson | I haven't used any of them, I don't even have GPS | 23:11 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: crap - so I probably have a hardware issue. Guess I should install OS2007 again to check - but too painful. | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | you can use maemo-mapper without gps | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | just like google earth | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | or google maps | 23:11 |
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| cjohnson | yeah but that sort of defeats the purpose, i could just as easily get a mapquest | 23:12 |
| gpd | is there anything like maemomapper for desktop linux? ie. caches maps? | 23:12 |
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| KotCzarny | cjohnson: why? having n800 in my pocket instead of chunks of paper rulez | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:13 |
| unixSnob | cjohnson: maemo mapper is better than mapquest. You have many maps to choose from | 23:13 |
| RST38h | *yawn* | 23:13 |
| RST38h | chunks of paper can't play music | 23:13 |
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| KotCzarny | depends on definition of music | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:14 |
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| cjohnson | I dunno, maybe I'm not geeky enough, I just don't see a need to go out and get extra stuff for it when it really doesn't accomplish more than how I already do it: using mapquest | 23:14 |
| Grackle | the musical kind | 23:14 |
| cjohnson | I guess I may have to try and focus it down and try that | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It accomplishes it a helluva lot faster. | 23:14 |
| cjohnson | store only certain parts of maps | 23:14 |
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| cjohnson | Ctrl + Space -> m MY ADDRESS to: FINAL ADDRESS -> Ctrl + P | 23:15 |
| cjohnson | Faster than using a stylus I'd say | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paper maps are the worst. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper gives you a nice green line to follow. | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | well, assuming maoquest remains free | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:16 |
| Grackle | They're great when you're hiking. | 23:16 |
| cjohnson | Again, I point to my above statement | 23:16 |
| livinroom | soooo | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, load up a topo map in maemo mapper. | 23:16 |
| Grackle | A nice detailed map and a compass. Very light, very dependable. | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's owned by aol | 23:16 |
| RST38h | me can't get maemo mapper to show him green line | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | so anything can happen | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:16 |
| RST38h | how od you do it anyway? | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, just load a gpx as a track | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | or get it to download a route | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/track/route/ | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | but where do I get gpx? | 23:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either have Maemo Mapper download it for you | 23:16 |
| * RST38h approaches this as a normal stupid user | 23:17 | |
| RST38h | where from | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | or save a track and load that. | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | From within the application | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | read the help | 23:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | it's very complete. | 23:17 |
| RST38h | no, download where | 23:17 |
| * Jaffa wonders whether or not to give any serious thought to this diablo repo password question (since he missed out on all the fun last week). | 23:17 | |
| livinroom | guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | If I have postal addresses to sourcedest points, how do I get the track? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I would not | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Enter your origin (GPS position, maybe) and destination. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll download the track | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and even do simple voice nav. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, probably not worth it. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting, but still a little broken. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | Will try tonight | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Particularly in MicroB. :\ | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, seriously, read the documentation (it's available online) it's very thorough and very readable. | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | GA: Actually, I browsed through it but the mapper hung on me when I tried following instructions =( | 23:19 |
| Jaffa | RST38h/GeneralAntilles: that's what I was thinking | 23:19 |
| RST38h | <reboot> | 23:19 |
| Grackle | I should start dinner soon. Spaghetti and garlic bread, yum. I am starving. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | My two posts cover it pretty thoroughly for 1.4, too, here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958 | 23:20 |
| * Grackle oggles /ck/ | 23:20 | |
| fysa | Dash.net emulation is what's needed. ;) | 23:21 |
| fysa | http://www.dash.net/ | 23:21 |
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| Grackle | oo that looks delicious | 23:22 |
| * unixSnob likes the dash/zillow integration | 23:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 | 23:23 |
| fysa | has KML/Yahoo Local-type searches. I have a nice Google Map of all the local restaurants I've been meaning to try.. would be perfect to have that around. ;) | 23:23 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: heh, cool | 23:24 |
| RST38h | <back> | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: voted | 23:24 |
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| * Jaffa doesn't hold out much hope for any form of real enhancement request in Bugzilla (especially UI-related ones - most of "Nokia's IP" will be in the UI, of course, *cough*) given the continued status of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 | 23:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That bug makes me both cringe and laugh everytime I see it. . . . | 23:27 |
| johnx | see, these are some of the reasons I started on this debian project... | 23:28 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: we definitly have the same GPS -- did you really not modify anything significant? Do you use maemomapper 2.4.1? With GPS set to Bluetooth address not GPSD? | 23:28 |
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| Grackle | gah, Jaffa. That's awful. That should have ended at post 1 | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, gpd | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I did have connection issues with 2.1 | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's been rock solid since then. | 23:28 |
| gpd | GeneralAntilles: and did you delete your config after 2.1 to 2.4? | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been all over the place since then. | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming it's gone. | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | (Well, on my Diablo install it DEFINITELY is ) | 23:29 |
| hrw|gone | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/questionsfornokia | 23:30 |
| livinroom | guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800? | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, livinroom. | 23:30 |
| gpd | hmm. just noticed NLS maps... curious | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any particularly plan to these, hrw|gone, or should I just add a new heading for myself and stick the questions I didn't get answers to from yesterday in there? | 23:32 |
| cjohnson | How can I low level format my SD card from my n800? I don't have a computer with a card reader | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plug the N800 into your computer. | 23:32 |
| unixSnob | cjohnson: I think you mean high level format it | 23:32 |
| cjohnson | perhaps | 23:33 |
| cjohnson | I want to wipe it completely | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | I don't think folks have low leveled storage devices since the days of MFM drives | 23:33 |
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| unixSnob | cjohnson: the dd command will do that | 23:34 |
| unixSnob | but I don't know if "dd" is included in maemo | 23:34 |
| cjohnson | i think it is | 23:34 |
| johnx | cjohnson, you just want to reformat it, right? | 23:35 |
| unixSnob | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 | 23:35 |
| cjohnson | johnx, yes | 23:35 |
| hrw|gone | GeneralAntilles: I did not created that page - I just edited | 23:35 |
| johnx | right, that's a "high level" format really | 23:35 |
| unixSnob | replace sda1 with whatever your sdcard is | 23:35 |
| johnx | so just plug it into a computer a format it | 23:36 |
| lcuk | you can right click and format a card from the file manager on 810 | 23:36 |
| cjohnson | johnx: I plugged it in, and it shows me 2 different new drives. One says it needs to be formatted, and the other one seems to be waiting for me to insert a disk or something | 23:37 |
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| unixSnob | formatting won't "wipe" it | 23:37 |
| cjohnson | I want to start fresh on it | 23:37 |
| unixSnob | if cjohnson really needs to wipe it, he needs dd or the like | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | dd </dev/zero >/dev/mmcblock0 | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | (or 1) | 23:37 |
| unixSnob | cjohnson: removing evidence of an affair or something? | 23:37 |
| cjohnson | I was trying to extend my maemo onto it, but that went wrong, so now i want to clone and dualboot | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | sure wipe | 23:38 |
| gpd | is there any way to debug bluetooth connections to N800? | 23:38 |
| cjohnson | it's going | 23:38 |
| cjohnson | dd ftw :D | 23:38 |
| livinroom | weee | 23:38 |
| unixSnob | If you're not scrubbing incriminating data, then formatting is good enough | 23:38 |
| livinroom | paired my BT-GPS. where do i get maps now, for the maemo mapper? | 23:38 |
| cjohnson | i wouldn't put incriminating data on my n800 anyway | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | mind you it's wiping partition table too | 23:38 |
| lcuk | <cjohnson> dd ftw :D *CRRRREEEEEE* [NOCARRIER] | 23:38 |
| unixSnob | I believe the command to format it for use again is mkfs | 23:39 |
| cjohnson | lcuk, worst case scenario i wipe out my n800, i'm on windows right now | 23:39 |
| Navi | johnx, :( | 23:39 |
| johnx | Navi, eh? | 23:39 |
| Navi | Your power management comment | 23:39 |
| johnx | ah, about wifi? | 23:40 |
| Blafasel | This 303 bug is hilarious ;) | 23:40 |
| Navi | yeah | 23:40 |
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| Navi | from an hour back | 23:40 |
| johnx | yeah, that is unfortunate | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | cjohnson: you have umounted it first, right? | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:40 |
| Navi | I couldn't get it to work using iwconfig either | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, hilariously depressing. | 23:40 |
| hrw | livinroom: maemo mapper can fetch them | 23:40 |
| cjohnson | KotCzarny, yeah | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | also disabled virtual memory | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| * lcuk should be asleep now | 23:40 | |
| johnx | iwconfig power on does something at least | 23:40 |
| cjohnson | aye | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: night night | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i cant though, i hate to wake back up just 4 hours into kip | 23:40 |
| RST38h | All right, anyone wants to try iNES for Maemo? | 23:40 |
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| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Nahh.. Whistle a tone and murmur "Always look on the bright side.." ;) | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: even 1-2h of sleep is better than none | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | trust me | 23:41 |
| johnx | cx3110x doesn't set up any place in sys to control power though...wlancond must turn it on *somehow* | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
| * lcuk never trusts the internet | 23:41 | |
| Navi | eh | 23:41 |
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| Blafasel | KotCzarny is the internet? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | not all of it | 23:41 |
| Navi | anyways, I'm going to set up the numpad on matchbox-keyboard now | 23:42 |
| lcuk | but depending on how many pies he has eaten i could say a large proportion of it :D | 23:42 |
| * RST38h has beaten the internet. The end boss is tough. | 23:42 | |
| johnx | Navi, awesome | 23:42 |
| livinroom | the end boss isnt tough | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | internet molestor! | 23:42 |
| livinroom | you just use cheat codes | 23:42 |
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| livinroom | cheat codes which can be found... on the internet! | 23:42 |
| Cptnodegard | the end boss is Ronald McGoogle | 23:43 |
| lcuk | i once had a program that wiped out sections of a webpage (firefox addin) - my missus spent a few minutes deleting the whole of slashdot front page. her face dropped when i said shes just deleted it from everyones computer | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:44 |
| cjohnson | Alt + F4 for infinite money hack | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | cjohnson: you are right on this one | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | because time is money | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: why did you bring it back? | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | lol | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | All right, try http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/ines_3.6.0-1_armel.deb | 23:46 |
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| Navi | Well, that was easier than I thought it was going to be | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | Okay, the internet is now officially boring. All 6 comic strips are read, thedailywtf is outdated and not even my rss reader or mail client has something new. I think I'll quit this career and restart as a veterinary somewhere.. | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: eatliver.com | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | and imagechan.net | 23:53 |
| johnx | Blafasel, yeah, I've hit that "I've read the whole internet, what now?" thing before. | 23:53 |
| johnx | my suggestion: Put debian on your N8x0 :) | 23:53 |
| * RST38h will go for the liver | 23:53 | |
| Blafasel | johnx: Bah! I knew that would be coming ;) | 23:53 |
| Navi | johnx, lol :P | 23:53 |
| johnx | :D | 23:53 |
| Blafasel | johnx: I don't own a SD card yet, though | 23:53 |
| Navi | ZOMG | 23:54 |
| Navi | Someone that doesn't own an SD card? | 23:54 |
| Navi | I don't believe it | 23:54 |
| johnx | go buy one! right now! what are you waiting for? | 23:54 |
| Blafasel | Uhm. I own several, but they are not in the right form factor or used otherwise ;) | 23:54 |
| Navi | johnx, you're a horrible commercial. | 23:54 |
| Blafasel | Like in the car radio, camera etc. | 23:54 |
| johnx | aaah, take the one out of the camera | 23:54 |
| johnx | you know you want to | 23:54 |
| Navi | Can anyone paste teh UTF-8 left arrow in here? | 23:55 |
| johnx | those pictures aren't that important | 23:55 |
| Blafasel | johnx: But, but.. My gf is cute ;) | 23:55 |
| livinroom | blasfel: be sure to read penny-arcade.com and explosm.net | 23:55 |
| Navi | Blafasel, even better | 23:55 |
| Navi | use the N800 as a picture viewer | 23:55 |
| livinroom | s/blasfel/blafasel | 23:55 |
| Blafasel | livinroom: Read all of the first once, don't know the latter though | 23:55 |
| Navi | It's not like you're using the camera all the time | 23:55 |
| Blafasel | Navi: Na, johnx wants me to format it and drop debian on it ;) | 23:55 |
| Navi | You'll certainly be using the N8X0 all the time | 23:56 |
| Navi | or else... | 23:56 |
| Navi | Blafasel, back up the pictures :P | 23:56 |
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| * Blafasel goes to read explosm.net | 23:57 | |
| Blafasel | Btw: Eatliver is very interesting | 23:57 |
| Saviq | Grackle: boots fine from one big ext2 partition, but I found another use of the vfat partition... | 23:57 |
| Saviq | virtual memort | 23:57 |
| Saviq | -t+y | 23:57 |
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| hrw | bye | 23:59 |
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