| lcuk | if you can change your algo to output 4 lines normal and 1 whole line black you get minimum pattern | 00:00 |
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| lardman | yeah I can do that, am using octave to generate an input file which I then send over | 00:01 |
| lcuk | if you are writing too much data to the screen the line will not start/end at the ends, it will spiral | 00:01 |
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| lardman | (original goal was to convert & display YV12->YUV420, but have had to take a few steps backwards as only garbage came out) | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | reminds me of planar fun on ami | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | i started by creating an incrienting greyscale | 00:02 |
| lardman | ok, hang on a few | 00:02 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, :) i think that every day | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: how about writing memory visualizer? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | should be very simple | 00:02 |
| lcuk | wrapped to the screen or a full plane horiz/vertic scrolling | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | configurable width | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | with +/- | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | and movable with dpad | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | entirely plausable | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | dpad? feck of - kinetic works fucking wonders | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, sure :) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:04 |
| lardman | Octave is chugging along | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | forgot about it for a moment | 00:04 |
| Gnuton | hi | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | back soon, my shed is calling | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hiding fugitive? :p | 00:05 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, one thing, could you just try somethin for me | 00:06 |
| lcuk | what happens if you compile liqbase on normal machine? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | can it run | 00:06 |
| lcuk | back later... | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | if you use regular sdl | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | and not hw/hildon specific things | 00:06 |
| nelson | is the button on the earphones / microphone visible in userspace? | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | you should ifdef the code | 00:07 |
| lcuk | all x, this vmware box wont let me and im not diagnosing now, it was just a side thought | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | for nokia specific parts | 00:07 |
| lcuk | theres nothing specific hildon | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | touchscreen code? | 00:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | xsp | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | fb code? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | NULL | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | then should work | 00:07 |
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| KotCzarny | without any changes | 00:07 |
| lcuk | it uses xv over x | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | assuming your x can do 800x480 mode | 00:08 |
| lcuk | could you just see while im codin :) | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:08 |
| lcuk | thx :D | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | changed pass on ftp? | 00:08 |
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| MajMin7 | ok | 00:10 |
| MajMin7 | so | 00:11 |
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| RST38h | [suddenly waking up] Octave runs on Maemo?!? | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | rst: why shouldn't it? | 00:11 |
| MajMin7 | I am now able to compile the GPS hellworld code. but it doesnt seem to do anything | 00:11 |
| MajMin7 | has anyone ever used this code before? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | no | 00:12 |
| RST38h | Kot: no,no, just getting excited about it | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: no Xsp on my laptop | 00:12 |
| RST38h | it is os2006 only though | 00:12 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, no - you baked it yourself from a recipe you found on the net :) | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | and not available in slack packages | 00:13 |
| lcuk | ok kot, ill do it another time | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | i will commend xsp code | 00:13 |
| lcuk | it was just a ponder | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | hmmm ftp is up and things havent changed | 00:14 |
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| lardman | RST38h: yes, but was actually running it on the desktop | 00:14 |
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| KotCzarny | 530 login or pass incorrect | 00:15 |
| lcuk | yer i see, i just pasted it back into the box, try again | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | ok, worked | 00:15 |
| lcuk | 0O mixup? | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, i just use a bookmark | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | that worked before | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:16 |
| lcuk | how bizarre | 00:16 |
| lcuk | it should still work now | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | latest is obviously today | 00:16 |
| RST38h | lardman: eh... | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | i hate us date format | 00:17 |
| RST38h | http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,,2279357,00.html | 00:17 |
| RST38h | Kot: you are not alone | 00:17 |
| lcuk | liqbase-kc_20080511_174524_quickpause.tar.gz | 00:18 |
| czr | you have to date yourselves in a specific way KotCzarny? | 00:18 |
| * RST38h constantly finds himself wondering which part is the month | 00:18 | |
| KotCzarny | czr, i'm talking about us locales | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
| * czr prefers the chinese date format | 00:18 | |
| RST38h | It's low in fat, low in food miles and completely free range. In fact, some claim that Sciurus carolinensis - the grey squirrel - is about as ethical a dish as it is possible to serve on a dinner plate! | 00:18 |
| * lcuk prefers stardate format | 00:18 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | british dates for me | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | i like 2008-05-12 | 00:18 |
| RST38h | japanese date format has some basis behind it | 00:18 |
| RST38h | easy to sort | 00:19 |
| czr | KotCzarny, that's the chinese | 00:19 |
| * RST38h has switched to British locale too | 00:19 | |
| czr | although obviously they use additional characters. | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | i would love unixtime date format | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | if i had math skills | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:19 |
| czr | KotCzarny, and more than 32-bits ;-) | 00:19 |
| RST38h | I have been using Russian one for a while, but then Maemo tries to display days of week and months in Russian- rather ugly | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | unixtime could easily be converted to 64bit | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | kot, for the kinetic test, you need to copy liqed.c | 00:19 |
| RST38h | Kot: In hex, I hope? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | thats the fixed file it uses to view | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | copy what from where to where | 00:20 |
| lcuk | src folder to where your running it | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, ok | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | also, you depends on fb | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe not yet | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
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| czr | heh, funny koreans: http://koltsoff.com/pub/lcd_usage.png | 00:22 |
| czr | (that's from a datasheet I'm reading atm) | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, lcd is poisonous | 00:23 |
| * qwerty12_N800 smashed up screen on n-gage | 00:23 | |
| czr | yeah but why do they want me to crush them? | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i still have the bits in drawer :/ | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | for easier lcd removal? | 00:24 |
| czr | KotCzarny, it still doesn't make sense :-) | 00:24 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
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| czr | "it is recommended to crush unnecessary LCDs" | 00:24 |
| lcuk | no, they want the liquid out of the crystals | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | there is probably a method in this madness | 00:24 |
| lcuk | context will help though, wheres the rest | 00:24 |
| czr | ah, lcuk that would explain it | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | crystals ARE the liquid | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:25 |
| czr | that's all that there is to "safety" | 00:25 |
| lcuk | a small cell containing something which can expand can also explode | 00:25 |
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| lardman | RST38h: talking about Octave; sorry for the delay | 00:25 |
| lcuk | under the wrong conditions they could be mini bombs? | 00:25 |
| lcuk | dont worry lardman, any light yet? | 00:26 |
| czr | probably. | 00:26 |
| lardman | was chatting to gf, so not sure :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | ahhh, the mysterious lardwoman | 00:27 |
| RST38h | who wants to crush LCDs? Samsung? I know why. | 00:27 |
| lardman | that will certainly get you in trouble :D | 00:27 |
| lcuk | :P omg she will kill me | 00:27 |
| czr | RST38h, yes. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | you chose the wrong name | 00:27 |
| czr | or actually DISPLAYTECH. | 00:27 |
| lardman | 'tis true | 00:27 |
| lcuk | i think i need to put a bit of a video together | 00:28 |
| lcuk | im not gonna get everything i wanted done so will have to sorta stop with what i have | 00:28 |
| lardman | right, so I'm writing one black line when the line number is divisible by 4, and the lines are a bit jagged | 00:28 |
| lcuk | ok, look at the first one, does the black stop before the end of the pysical first line | 00:29 |
| lcuk | or does it appear to extend over past the end | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: photo pls | 00:29 |
| lcuk | or just look at one specific line | 00:29 |
| lardman | hmm, hard to tell as I'm writing lots of frames quite quickly | 00:29 |
| RST38h | czr: If old LCDs are not destroyed, nobody will buy new LCDs | 00:29 |
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| KotCzarny | or screenshot | 00:29 |
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| MajMin7 | so for the GPS device, do I need to start it with gpsmgr_start(...) before I can use the device? | 00:29 |
| czr | RST38h, Har :-) | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: write one frame | 00:29 |
| RST38h | thus, old LCDs are impediment to commerce | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| czr | I'd like to use OLEDs actually | 00:30 |
| czr | but they're too expensive. | 00:30 |
| RST38h | OLEDs degrade | 00:30 |
| czr | so I'm stuck with crappy LCDs. | 00:30 |
| lardman | I know, I know; need to alter the code to not destroy the X window immediately | 00:30 |
| czr | RST38h, everything degrades! | 00:30 |
| lcuk | or just keep it going until you manually stop it | 00:30 |
| RST38h | But LCDs with LED backlights are a serious problem - LEDs do not degrade as quickly as old backlight tubes | 00:30 |
| lardman | that requires some sort of X events, wasn't going to bother with those | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | ok then, repeat frame 0 1000 times or long enough to give you a chance | 00:31 |
| czr | RST38h, problem for samsung you mean? | 00:31 |
| lardman | lcuk: I know, just can't type that fast :) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | :P | 00:32 |
| RST38h | czr: yep | 00:32 |
| lcuk | how do you run the code you just compiled? are you in an ide with a go button, or do you save and run script | 00:32 |
| lardman | lcuk: me? | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | yer | 00:33 |
| czr | RST38h, well, the display I'm looking at atm has no backlight. at all. | 00:33 |
| lardman | I have to compile it for the dsp, then sftp it over, then run it again | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: mount your dev dir via sshfs ? :) | 00:33 |
| lardman | though in this case I can just alter the arm side code, so scratchbox + sftp + run over ssh | 00:33 |
| lcuk | ill show you the script i use, you may be able to adapt to help you | 00:33 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: I've got a graphical sftp window so works as well | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | but with sshfs mount you don't have to copy anything | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | just run as from local dir | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | + you can write a debug to the same dir directly | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:34 |
| lardman | ah, I see, well I manage to crash the machine every other go, so not sure mounting it is the best idea | 00:35 |
| lardman | but I will bear it in mind, thanks | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/1016276 i just run that, it makes copies executes and forces a killall when i press ctrl+C from my big keyboard | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: ssh key with no pass + S99-local in rc | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:36 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, pm | 00:40 |
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| lardman | right, so I have black lines every 10 lines or so now; the ends are jagged. The curious thing is that it looks like I've not written enough data to each line | 00:44 |
| lardman | i.e. the right hand end of the black lines is one pixel above the rest of the line | 00:44 |
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| lardman | is there a screenshot tool for Chinook? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | yes but doubful it will work using directfb | 00:47 |
| lcuk | t | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | easiest will be camera if its available | 00:47 |
| lardman | yeah, will see what I can manage | 00:47 |
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| Cptnodegard | what does openSSH client do? | 00:51 |
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| lardman | ~lart Firefox3 for randomly locking up | 00:52 |
| * infobot judo chops Firefox3 for randomly locking up | 00:52 | |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0047.JPG it's pretty big - 1.8Mb | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | You don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0047.JPG on this server. | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:53 |
| lardman | hmm, I just got that too | 00:53 |
| lardman | hang on a minute | 00:53 |
| lardman | try now | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | works :) | 00:55 |
| lardman | it had execute permissions for some reason | 00:55 |
| MajMin7 | Sooooooo | 00:56 |
| Cptnodegard | looks like what mplayer does when you press random buttons | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | looks like a half res | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 00:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 thought my w810 camera was bad... :p | 00:56 | |
| lardman | It's set to be 400x240 | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | but screen is set to 800x480 | 00:56 |
| lardman | so that I could see if it overran at the edges | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 00:56 |
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| lardman | yes | 00:57 |
| lardman | I'm only writing into the top lefthand corner of the fb | 00:57 |
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| MajMin7 | hey | 01:02 |
| lardman | the step position migrates towards the left as new frames are drawn | 01:02 |
| MajMin7 | can anyone tell me why this code doesnt work: | 01:02 |
| MajMin7 | http://pastebin.com/m7333a074 | 01:02 |
| MajMin7 | The signal handler that I register never fires | 01:02 |
| lardman | you've entered your own loop, rather then the gtk event loop? | 01:03 |
| MajMin7 | ahhhhhhh | 01:03 |
| MajMin7 | ok | 01:03 |
| MajMin7 | that sounds plausible | 01:03 |
| MajMin7 | so | 01:03 |
| MajMin7 | is it possible to use the GPS without using GTK? | 01:04 |
| lardman | of course | 01:04 |
| lardman | just without a gui, or at least without a maemo-ized gui | 01:04 |
| MajMin7 | all of the example code uses glib | 01:04 |
| MajMin7 | im not familiar with glib | 01:04 |
| MajMin7 | i know pthreads etc | 01:05 |
| lardman | in that case: s/gtk event loop/glib event loop | 01:05 |
| lardman | what do you want to do? | 01:05 |
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| MajMin7 | well | 01:08 |
| MajMin7 | right now im just trying to demonstrate that I can poll for my gps location | 01:08 |
| MajMin7 | and print it | 01:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, your initial offset is off, you are either starting -40 bytes too soon (off and above) or you are starting +200, the +200 is less likely because you dont have a bare patch in very top left (both approx) | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | if your line lengths were off, the black line would spiral, so it feels more like your initial offset | 01:10 |
| lcuk | is it your input data? | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | rm_you, good news about your n800 (mostly :p) :) | 01:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: strange, I'm starting at 0 (i.e. the address of the start of the framebuffer), unless there's something at the start of it? | 01:10 |
| lardman | no, input data should be fine (he says) | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | try writing smaller chunks | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 100px blue | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | 10px black | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | 100px blue | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 01:11 |
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| KotCzarny | well, 20px black | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:11 |
| lardman | ok, will tweak the code | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | or something more dividable | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | hey, you say it drifts to the left | 01:12 |
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| RST38h | sleep. | 01:13 |
| lardman | the other confusing thing is that I was trying to make the screen red | 01:13 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:13 |
| lardman | writing 0xf800 | 01:14 |
| lcuk | that would put a dampner on your day | 01:14 |
| lardman | I only just noticed that was what the Octave code was supposed to be producing :) | 01:14 |
| lcuk | how many bytes does octave output per frame | 01:14 |
| lardman | unless I'm being stung by some endianness thing | 01:14 |
| lardman | which I probably am now that I come to think about it | 01:15 |
| lardman | hmm, though 16bits values are supposed to be littleendian | 01:15 |
| lardman | too late in the evening to think that thought | 01:15 |
| lardman | through | 01:15 |
| lcuk | are they 2*400*240 and does octave put any kind of header information on them | 01:15 |
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| lardman | no, I'm just writing with fwrite as a uint16 value | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | write it to a file first | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | and see what's inside | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:16 |
| lardman | 00 F8 ad infinitum | 01:17 |
| MajMin7 | ok | 01:17 |
| MajMin7 | so a different question | 01:18 |
| lardman | first 00 00 starts at offset 0x3840 | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | the maemo website says that the device which we connect to the GPS has the following members: | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->online: Whether GPSD is connected to a GPS or not | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->status: The GPS status | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->fix: The GPS fix information | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->satellites_in_view: The number of satellites that the GPS can see | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->satellites_in_use: The number of satellites used in fix calculation | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | * device->satellites: An array of satellite details | 01:18 |
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| MajMin7 | where can i find this documented formally? | 01:18 |
| MajMin7 | it doesnt tell me the types of these pointers | 01:18 |
| lardman | it's in the gpsd source iirc | 01:19 |
| MajMin7 | iirc? | 01:19 |
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| lardman | at least the Nokia patched version (iirc = if I remember correctly) | 01:19 |
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| MajMin7 | oh | 01:19 |
| MajMin7 | wow | 01:20 |
| MajMin7 | i can read their source? | 01:20 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: so looks like the file is ok | 01:20 |
| MajMin7 | where's that | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | one point of failure less then | 01:20 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/ | 01:20 |
| MajMin7 | oh | 01:20 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: Will write 10 black, 90 blue/red, repeat | 01:21 |
| MajMin7 | i found this once but it looked too cryptic at the time | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | try diff color codes | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | depending on some counter | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | kind of color cube to expect and see the effect | 01:21 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | i can has colorcube? | 01:21 |
| lardman | MajMin7: When in doubt, or you don't find something, look under o for osso | 01:22 |
| lardman | MajMin7: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/o/osso-gpsd/ | 01:22 |
| lcuk | ps, dont try drawing on < 800*480 | 01:22 |
| MajMin7 | ahhhhhh | 01:22 |
| lardman | lcuk: why not? | 01:22 |
| * KotCzarny throws a rubik's cube for a lcuk | 01:22 | |
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| lcuk | sorry lardman not you, ive got a 256*256 colorcube in liqbase and its a bit frisky about resolution changes | 01:23 |
| lardman | ok :) | 01:23 |
| lcuk | your lines remind me of it :) | 01:23 |
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| lardman | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3897340.ece something like this would be good for LinuxTag | 01:25 |
| lardman | or indeed in general | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | i wanted to have a bluetooth radar for linuxtag :( time is against me | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | i was gonna have an app running on my laptop and on my 810 and have then ping all nearby bts | 01:28 |
| lardman | sounds like it would have been pretty cool :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | using signal strength i was gonna pick them up | 01:28 |
| lcuk | yer, time. | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | at least ill be able to read while im there :) | 01:29 |
| lcuk | and draw | 01:29 |
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| Navi | Read and draw? laaaammmmmeee | 01:31 |
| Navi | You should be going around with a video camera and asking people what they like to do in their free time | 01:32 |
| lardman | I meant to ask, do we need to buy an entry ticket? | 01:33 |
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| Navi | Anyone try out mediabox yet? | 01:33 |
| Navi | The sound keeps resetting to 50% every time a song changes :/ | 01:34 |
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| lardman | weird, I did 10 black followed by 90 red/blue repeated 8 times across the screen | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | pic pls | 01:36 |
| lardman | I then get black lines going down the screen as expected, but the whole lot moves sideways as each new frame is displayed | 01:36 |
| lardman | ok | 01:36 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0048.JPG | 01:45 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0049.JPG is better actually | 01:45 |
| lardman | now displaying at 800x480, but note the gap at the bottom of the screen | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooh | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | so maybe you are starting waaay befor screen? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | before | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | try moving starting offset by 800 bytes untill you see black at the top? | 01:46 |
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| lardman | worth a go | 01:46 |
| lardman | aargh, bloody Ubuntu taskbar has locked up | 01:47 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe the fb is centered on some region | 01:47 |
| lardman | any ideas how to change desktop using the keyboard only? | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | ctrl-arrow ? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | ctrl-alt-arrow ? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | alt-arrow ? | 01:49 |
| lardman | good call, ctrl-alt+arrow | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | switching to console and killing offending app can work too | 01:50 |
| lardman | offending app is the desktop though | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | acroread hangs everything for me sometimes | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | but killing it from console is enough | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | then kill the desktop | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
| lardman | ok, so you reckon to change start_x to 800? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | buf+offset ? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| lardman | yep | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | you are already writing to it directly | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | then just write at higher position | 01:51 |
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| KotCzarny | blit some digits instead of pixels for optical recognition could help too | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | *blitting | 01:52 |
| lcuk | yes, skip the first 10 or 20 lines | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | or even better | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | make a code that will react to key presses | 01:53 |
| lcuk | lol no xevents | 01:53 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: yeah, I'd need to write some code to get the data for that though | 01:53 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: but hw keys should be accessible | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | as a scancodes from a kernel | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 01:54 |
| lardman | Anyway, I'm shattered, time for bed | 01:54 |
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| KotCzarny | lardman: :) | 01:54 |
| lcuk | at least you know you are writing the correct length lines :) | 01:54 |
| lardman | I'll have another look tomorrow lunch time and let you know what I find; thanks for your help chaps | 01:54 |
| lcuk | its progress, good night | 01:54 |
| lcuk | i have all this kind of messing to do whenever i change the blitter | 01:55 |
| lardman | strange, closing an xterm took down 4 more + some "explorer" (Galleon?) windows and freed up my desktop | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | probably started from there | 01:56 |
| lardman | yeah, will do more experimenting tomorrow when I can think straight :) | 01:56 |
| lardman | night | 01:56 |
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| dougbarrett | nokia is awesome! | 03:09 |
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| Grackle | Why? | 03:12 |
| Grackle | Just in general, or have they done something noteworthy lately? | 03:12 |
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| dougbarrett | well I lost the back battery cover to my N800, and they are going to send me a replacement for free | 03:20 |
| dougbarrett | i was about to drop $21+s/h to buy one | 03:20 |
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| Grackle | whee that's nice of them | 03:41 |
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| Grackle | Honestly I was hoping for something revolutionary and amazing, but that's still good to hear. | 03:41 |
| dougbarrett | well that, and they saved me $100 on my car insurance | 03:42 |
| Livingroom | they saved you $100 on car insurance? | 03:43 |
| Livingroom | i thought they only could save 15% or more | 03:43 |
| dougbarrett | it's nokia, they can do whatever they want to | 03:43 |
| dougbarrett | except make a decent video chat app for the n800 i guess :-/ | 03:43 |
| Livingroom | how about a video chat app for the desktop? | 03:44 |
| Livingroom | nobody i know can see me. hear me, yes, but not see me | 03:44 |
| Livingroom | and i ask you, ladies and gentlemen, what is the point of video chat, if it only works with other n800s? | 03:44 |
| dougbarrett | skype? | 03:44 |
| Livingroom | what about it? | 03:44 |
| Livingroom | nobody i want to talk to uses it | 03:44 |
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| Livingroom | most everyone is on gtalk/jabber | 03:45 |
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| Grackle | Damn I wish my friends used jabber | 03:48 |
| Grackle | Everyone I know uses AIM. *hork* | 03:48 |
| Grackle | AIM with its OSCAR "we're going to add random features and change things without sharing the spec" protocol. | 03:48 |
| Grackle | While I'm ranting about things, the contrast between the internal link font and the background on the internettablettalk wiki is insufficient. | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | i never use page colors | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | i set them to black bg and white fg | 03:51 |
| Grackle | Well that works for you, but what about everyone else? I think it's reasonable to ask that the site be designed correctly in the first place. | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 03:52 |
| Grackle | haha | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | i just don't want to send email to every html author in the world | 03:52 |
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| Grackle | Yeah.. | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | so i just ignore their styles and use mine | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | some people think light gray on white is nice | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | but it's completely unreadable | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:53 |
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| Grackle | I don't mind slightly off-black on white, but the problem with that is that the contrast varies widely from monitor to monitor. | 03:54 |
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| KotCzarny | that too | 03:54 |
| Grackle | So what's readable on one monitor might look like ass on another. | 03:54 |
| Grackle | I honestly really hate web design and web pages in general. I wish content was provided in a form more like rss. Data is provided for you, and your reader formats it however the hell it wants. | 03:55 |
| Grackle | That would solve so many problems. Accessibility and small device support would be provided entirely by the browser. | 03:55 |
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| KotCzarny | that's what css is for | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:55 |
| Grackle | Sort of. | 03:55 |
| Grackle | Right now, CSS is for making some really awesome designs, and a lot of broken web pages. | 03:56 |
| Grackle | Luckily, CSS allows me to fix people's web pages with my own stylesheets. :P | 03:56 |
| * Grackle makes one for ITT | 03:56 | |
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| lcuk | gnite | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 05:01 |
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| |R | clear | 06:47 |
| |R | oops | 06:47 |
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| RST38h | *yawn* | 07:16 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, has anyone found his Canola broken recently, after doing apt-get upgrade? | 07:17 |
| RST38h | Wait, found the problem | 07:20 |
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| lopz | night | 07:23 |
| Italodance | morning | 07:25 |
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| Proteous | my 770 got teh WSOD :/ | 07:29 |
| * Proteous creis | 07:29 | |
| KotCzarny | fun | 07:29 |
| * Proteous cries too | 07:29 | |
| KotCzarny | try shaking | 07:29 |
| Proteous | shaking what | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | nit | 07:29 |
| Proteous | ... | 07:30 |
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| RST38h | shaking wsod. | 07:33 |
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| KotCzarny | shaking wood, lol | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proteous, time for an N800. | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | nah, wait for n900 | 07:41 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:41 |
| Proteous | maybe the 810 will get a price drop when the 810w comes out | 07:41 |
| timely | hrm | 07:50 |
| timely | hello world? | 07:50 |
| Navi | Hey timely | 07:50 |
| timely | what's the latest official release? | 07:51 |
| timely | 51? | 07:51 |
| timely | bug 3153 is using 42 which is kinda odd | 07:51 |
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| Navi | iono | 07:52 |
| Navi | The one in the diablo repos was 50 | 07:52 |
| timely | not diablo, chinook | 07:52 |
| Navi | or something | 07:52 |
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| Navi | let me check real fast | 07:52 |
| Livingroom | ok so | 07:52 |
| Livingroom | skype on the n800 doesnt support the camear | 07:52 |
| timely | and the one in diablo should be something between 10 and 20. but thanks | 07:52 |
| Livingroom | camera | 07:52 |
| Livingroom | what the hell then is the point of the camer? | 07:52 |
| timely | Livingroom: Gizmodo | 07:52 |
| Livingroom | it seems totally useless | 07:52 |
| timely | or Flash | 07:52 |
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| timely | i can't remember which release enabled the camera in flash, it might be diablo | 07:53 |
| Livingroom | gizmodo, flash, etc, it's totally f*ckin useless | 07:53 |
| Livingroom | my dream of VoIP video-enabled is shattered. | 07:53 |
| timely | the camera hardware is another story | 07:53 |
| Navi | er | 07:53 |
| timely | gizmodo is a lot closer to standard VoIP than skype.. | 07:53 |
| Livingroom | gizmodo is a blog ... | 07:54 |
| timely | Navi: also, can you possibly | 07:54 |
| timely | Gizmo? | 07:54 |
| timely | something like that | 07:54 |
| timely | ... figure out why this guy is filing bugs in "opera engine" ? :( | 07:54 |
| Navi | About says "Tablet browser 0.2.2 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3" | 07:55 |
| timely | can you comment in one of those bugs telling the reporter he should *really* upgrade to the latest | 07:56 |
| timely | include the version number and the url for updating | 07:56 |
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| Navi | Heh | 07:57 |
| Navi | What's one of the bug numbers? | 07:57 |
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| minti | i installed qt4 packages inside the scratchbox and tried to build hello-world using qmake but it says bash: qmake: command not found ... | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, make yourself a "Recent" search that covers all the bugs created in the last 2-5 days | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3154 | 07:58 |
| Italodance | please tell me USB Control is better than USB Host/Otg? | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's one of them. | 07:58 |
| minti | does it need other pkg | 07:59 |
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| timely | query: creation date changed in 5d | 08:01 |
| timely | or something | 08:01 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 08:01 |
| timely | minti: qt4 or qt4-dev? | 08:01 |
| timely | because they're not really related | 08:01 |
| minti | i installed qt4-dev | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how nobody can figure out to delete that stupid (always/sometimes/once) suggestion | 08:03 |
| minti | timely: i did => apt-get install qt4-dev-tools | 08:04 |
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| minti | timely: but if i do apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient12-dev but it is not installable Depends: libsqlite0-dev but it is not installable E: Broken packages | 08:06 |
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| Livingroom | anyone know of a dhcp server i can download for the n800? | 08:11 |
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| Livingroom | is there a dhcp server built into the n800? | 08:30 |
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| Livingroom | or one built /for/ the n800? | 08:31 |
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| chibiAcyd | doubtful | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | just grab/build one | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | that's what sdk is for. | 08:42 |
| grape | everything was built for the n800... just haven't figured out how to get it all to install yet ;-) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | if i'm not mistaken, doesn't dnsmasq have a dhcpd? | 08:42 |
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| livinroom | er | 08:45 |
| livinroom | i wouldnt know where to begin | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 08:45 |
| livinroom | i am not a programmer :P | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have to program anything | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | just install. | 08:45 |
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| livinroom | yeah, i would have like, no idea. | 08:49 |
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| chibiAcyd | there is a pretty extensive wiki about the sdk | 08:49 |
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| livinroom | yes, but | 08:50 |
| livinroom | i'm totally clueless | 08:50 |
| livinroom | i've never done anything like that | 08:50 |
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| KotCzarny | time for some education then? | 08:51 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Indeed | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | Always | 09:19 |
| Cptn-N800 | 09:19 | |
| qwerty12 | 09:19 | |
| ds3 | hmmm | 09:19 |
| qwerty12 | I beat you, my spaces were bigger :p | 09:19 |
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| Cptn-N800 | I dont care about your myspace ^^ | 09:20 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 09:20 |
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| Navi | total fail | 09:31 |
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| dougbarrett | what is fail? | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | Navi | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:44 |
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| czr | multifail. | 09:54 |
| qwerty12 | quadruple fail. | 09:55 |
| czr | "because failure is always an option" | 09:55 |
| czr | although I should've written 'becuase' | 09:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | Try not. Fail, or fail not | 09:55 |
| forge | Maemo.org has too little stuff going on | 09:55 |
| Navi | Bleh | 09:56 |
| forge | (Can you see i'm bored at work) | 09:56 |
| Navi | I hate it when people try to tell me that the S60 platform is open :P | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 09:56 |
| qwerty12 | At least it's hacked now | 09:56 |
| forge | (Oh but it is, you can install your own software for it ^^) | 09:56 |
| Navi | forge, are you being serious? | 09:57 |
| forge | Guess ? | 09:57 |
| Navi | qwerty12, hacked? | 09:57 |
| forge | Yeah they hacked it | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, extended years certs | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | Full access to C:... | 09:58 |
| Navi | oh | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. i have read it.. | 09:58 |
| forge | Although were a long way from getting any real benefits from it | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | someone selling hacked 770 on craigslist.. | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | installed hacked os or something | 09:58 |
| qwerty12 | It had bootmenu installed? :p | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | better than 2006! | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | you imagine? | 09:59 |
| forge | :p | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | I could get quite a bit selling my N800 with Diablo on it. | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | no, you wont | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | won't ? | 10:00 |
| Navi | Hacked N800 with diabloooooozzzz | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, gtg, got an exam :/ | 10:00 |
| Navi | I got my tablet for 160 with Diablo on it in March | 10:00 |
| Navi | someone's beating you out, qwerty12 | 10:01 |
| forge | :) | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 10:01 |
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| Navi | Bye qwerty12. Good luck | 10:01 |
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| johnx | hey rm_you_ | 10:04 |
| Navi | Ooh, eetz johnx | 10:05 |
| forge | Regarding eetz, i'm hungry | 10:05 |
| johnx | yeah, have to clean up sound and make a nice little hack to make suspend work :) | 10:06 |
| Navi | :D | 10:06 |
| Navi | Releasing soon? | 10:06 |
| johnx | well that's the plan | 10:06 |
| johnx | I really want to figure out why sound is distorted | 10:06 |
| Navi | mmk | 10:06 |
| johnx | they really screwed up sound with this kernel/alsa/gstreamer release is what I'm thinking | 10:07 |
| Navi | Eh? Diablo can suspend to memory? | 10:07 |
| Navi | O_o | 10:07 |
| johnx | well it worked in chinook kernel + debian | 10:07 |
| johnx | it just died after 60 seconds :/ | 10:07 |
| Navi | I heard | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: probably wrong configuration? (asound.conf) | 10:07 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, nah | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | it helped for me | 10:07 |
| johnx | I copied the asound.conf from chinook | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | try fiddling with it? | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:08 |
| johnx | I'm having the same problem people are complaining about with mpd under chinook | 10:08 |
| johnx | apparently routing sound through esound cleans it up or some such magic | 10:08 |
| johnx | I have to see if nokia patched esound though | 10:08 |
| johnx | so I'm supposed to have it go mpd -> libao -> esound -> oss emulation? -> alsa I guess | 10:10 |
| johnx | which sounds kinda dumb but apparently works | 10:10 |
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| KotCzarny | more than dumb. | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:10 |
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| KotCzarny | can you just use mplayer as a backend? | 10:11 |
| johnx | I should install it, but I can't use it as a backend for mpd | 10:11 |
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| johnx | I agree, it's dumb, help me figure it out and I'll help you get slackware running :) | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | i have never used mpd | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:12 |
| johnx | I've never used slackware :P | 10:12 |
| Navi | I've used both | 10:12 |
| Navi | I win! | 10:12 |
| * Navi runs | 10:12 | |
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| johnx | noooo, heeeelp uss! | 10:13 |
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| forge | :) | 10:13 |
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| Navi | woo | 10:20 |
| Navi | Off to sleep | 10:20 |
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| johnx | cheater :P | 10:20 |
| Navi | How am I teh cheatingz? | 10:20 |
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| johnx | not having to stay awake until the next debian release | 10:21 |
| Navi | Yeah, seriously | 10:21 |
| Navi | can't even contribute constructively either | 10:21 |
| johnx | it's ok though, I'll just release as soon as you log off :) | 10:21 |
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| Navi | That Navi really sucks | 10:21 |
| Navi | Oh, you whore. | 10:21 |
| johnx | :D | 10:22 |
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| * Navi thinks of a way to get around this | 10:22 | |
| johnx | my bandwidth will probably be gone in hours too | 10:22 |
| Livingroom | AAAUGH | 10:22 |
| Livingroom | i hate my AP | 10:22 |
| Livingroom | so much | 10:22 |
| johnx | Navi, just go to sleep. the release probably won't happen before you wake up anyways | 10:23 |
| Navi | hmm | 10:23 |
| johnx | just don't sleep too long | 10:23 |
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| Navi | I don't t... | 10:23 |
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| Navi | I don't trust you, johnx | 10:23 |
| johnx | well that makes two of us...who don't trust me | 10:23 |
| Navi | I'll be taping my eyes open and sleeping in my chair | 10:24 |
| Livingroom | i dont trust you either | 10:24 |
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| Livingroom | i've got the death sentance on 12 systems! | 10:24 |
| Navi | that way I'll wake up when you release it | 10:24 |
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| johnx | O_o | 10:24 |
| johnx | tell me how that works for you | 10:24 |
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| Navi | you'll see | 10:25 |
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| Navi | Night .o/ | 10:25 |
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| johnx | 'night Navi | 10:25 |
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| johnx | well hot sauce, mplayer playback is perfect O_o | 10:34 |
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| johnx | heh...maybe I'll just bundle canola with debian | 10:34 |
| Cptn-N800 | What alternate universe is your mplayer from? | 10:34 |
| johnx | mplayer *audio only* playback | 10:35 |
| johnx | and my mplayer is from the debian universe | 10:35 |
| Livingroom | guys | 10:35 |
| Livingroom | question: | 10:35 |
| johnx | shoot | 10:35 |
| Livingroom | i have a standalone, USB powered AP that freezes after 25 seconds unless it is plugged into an actual ethernet wire (it must be connected on both ends) why do you think that is? | 10:35 |
| Livingroom | there's nothing on google about it | 10:35 |
| forge | It's crap | 10:35 |
| Livingroom | nothing model specific | 10:35 |
| Cptn-N800 | Retarded design | 10:35 |
| johnx | I would go with "your AP is broken, buy a wrt54gl | 10:36 |
| johnx | " | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | no | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | i dont want a wrt54gl | 10:36 |
| forge | Why not ? | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | because the ap i have now is this big: <> | 10:36 |
| johnx | and doesn't work | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | and the wrt54gl is <====> this big | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | oh now, | 10:36 |
| johnx | and works | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | it does work | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | but only when plugged into wired connection. | 10:36 |
| forge | You just said it doesn't | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | i would assume it tried to autoconfigure | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | and fails | 10:36 |
| forge | Hence it's not working :p | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | but dhcp is off | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | with wrong route | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | here's the thing | 10:36 |
| Livingroom | for the first 25-30 seconds after power on | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | nvm, it still can fail setting proper route | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:37 |
| Livingroom | it will work Just Fine | 10:37 |
| forge | Stupid drivers | 10:37 |
| Livingroom | after 25 secs, you cannot connect to the wireless network. even though it's broadcasting. and all traffic halts | 10:37 |
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| KotCzarny | some security setting | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 10:38 |
| Livingroom | it is, i assure you, very aggrivating | 10:38 |
| Livingroom | i'm goign to try a loopback connector on wednesday | 10:38 |
| Livingroom | all it seems to care about is power down the line | 10:38 |
| Livingroom | the other end doesnt have to be active or sending | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | just browse the config options? | 10:39 |
| Livingroom | not very many | 10:40 |
| Livingroom | and none that seem to apply | 10:40 |
| Cptn-N800 | Fucking google docs slow shit | 10:46 |
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| balrg | bah | 10:51 |
| balrg | i'm livingroom | 10:51 |
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| livinroom | ok so | 10:51 |
| livinroom | i'm uploading a screenshot | 10:51 |
| livinroom | the last thing i saw was 'just browse the config options?' | 10:51 |
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| livinroom | i25.tinypic.com/2n4xaw.jpg | 10:52 |
| livinroom | http://i25.tinypic.com/2n4xaw.jpg | 10:52 |
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| KotCzarny | ssid iphone? | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | get out of here | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:54 |
| livinroom | lolz | 10:54 |
| livinroom | why? | 10:54 |
| livinroom | it's for sharing my iphone connection | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | and options you need are in access control | 10:54 |
| livinroom | thats the whole reason i'm doing this | 10:54 |
| livinroom | access control only has settings to input MAC addrs for connection filtering | 10:55 |
| trickie | hrw: http://paste-it.net/public/fc198eb/ | 10:57 |
| trickie | tried that on the weekend | 10:57 |
| hrw | morning | 10:59 |
| livinroom | this damn thing is giving me fits. i'm going to bed. nite | 10:59 |
| hrw | thx | 10:59 |
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| hrw | trickie: so it looks like 2.6.25 require nokia work | 11:02 |
| trickie | hrw: yeah :( | 11:02 |
| trickie | unless my kernel config is not correct | 11:03 |
| trickie | but I don't quite understand the whole softmac stuff, and if that requires certain config options | 11:03 |
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| jdiaz | Hi | 11:04 |
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| jdiaz | melmoth: anyone knows any on-line dictionary where I can look-up how is the past form of english verbs? | 11:07 |
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| jdiaz | sorry for addressing to melmoth, that was not intended | 11:07 |
| jdiaz | I probably hit Tab key | 11:08 |
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| jdiaz | anyway | 11:09 |
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| jdiaz | I've peeking at usbcontrol.py code, and found that it simply writes some predefined strings ("host", "peripheral", "otg") in a special file (/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode) | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 11:11 |
| jdiaz | I tried to perform the same action from a shell script | 11:11 |
| jdiaz | but it has to be run as root | 11:12 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 11:12 |
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| jdiaz | however usbcontrol is run a normal user | 11:12 |
| jdiaz | and it does not have the "s" bit | 11:12 |
| jdiaz | how is that? | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it has some helper | 11:12 |
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| jdiaz | besides, I tried to chown root my script | 11:13 |
| jdiaz | and chmod +s it | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | you can't +s script | 11:13 |
| jdiaz | and it still doesn't work if run as a normal user | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | ie. it won't work | 11:13 |
| jdiaz | oh | 11:13 |
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| jdiaz | so, what is the solution? | 11:13 |
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| KotCzarny | write a helper | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:13 |
| jdiaz | helper? do you mean in C? | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | or read sources | 11:13 |
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| jdiaz | Hmmm | 11:19 |
| jdiaz | apparently the trick used by usbcontrol is in the usbcontrol.desktop file | 11:19 |
| jdiaz | Exec=sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol | 11:19 |
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| jdiaz | and the .deb postinst added a line to the sudoers file | 11:22 |
| jdiaz | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh | 11:22 |
| jdiaz | is this good practice? | 11:23 |
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| KotCzarny | nokia already ignored few good practices | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | so it doesn't matter | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:23 |
| inz | jdiaz, well, it should allow running run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol | 11:23 |
| jdiaz | but, having that line, allows me to execute anything as root | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | no wildcards | 11:25 |
| inz | Actually having only /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh allows you to run run-standalone.sh, nothing else | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | so not anything | 11:25 |
| jdiaz | oh, right | 11:25 |
| jdiaz | I misread the sudoers line | 11:26 |
| jdiaz | I thought it was simply | 11:26 |
| jdiaz | oh, waut | 11:26 |
| jdiaz | I read it right | 11:26 |
| jdiaz | the sudoers line allows me to execute the script run-standalone | 11:27 |
| jdiaz | but this script accepts any command as parameter | 11:27 |
| jdiaz | so I can do now: run-standalone.sh whatever | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | but sudo won't | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | try it | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:27 |
| jdiaz | why then does it allow to execute "run-standalone.sh usbcontrol" ? | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | <jdiaz> Exec=sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | erm, sorry | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | just look for that line in /etc/sudoers | 11:28 |
| jdiaz | well, I've just tried: | 11:29 |
| jdiaz | sudo run-standalone.sh umount /dev/mmc1 | 11:29 |
| jdiaz | it worked | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | i don't see your sudoers.conf | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | can't comment then | 11:29 |
| jdiaz | I mean /media/mmc1 | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:29 |
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| jdiaz | I also tried | 11:32 |
| jdiaz | sudo run-standalone.sh my-usb-script | 11:32 |
| jdiaz | and it worked also | 11:32 |
| jdiaz | so I was right, run-standalone.sh is now a workaround for sudo | 11:33 |
| jdiaz | sudo run-standalone.sh whatever would run whatever with root permissions, without asking me a password | 11:33 |
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| jdiaz | I have to tell this to konttori | 11:37 |
| jdiaz | the proper sudoers line should have been | 11:37 |
| jdiaz | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol.py | 11:37 |
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| jdiaz | the sudoers.conf is modified by usbcontrol*.deb | 11:48 |
| jdiaz | and a line is added | 11:48 |
| jdiaz | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh | 11:48 |
| jdiaz | but it should be | 11:49 |
| jdiaz | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol.py | 11:49 |
| jdiaz | imho | 11:49 |
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| jdiaz | another question. Yesterday, I put my n810 in host mode, and plugged a SD card reader. After a while, the card got mounted, but then the tablet got irresponsive | 11:53 |
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| johnx | metalayer crawler going crazy maybe? | 11:53 |
| johnx | what was on the card? | 11:53 |
| jdiaz | the screen blanked (in an unusual way, as if it were fading out from left to right) | 11:53 |
| jdiaz | and the tablet rebooted | 11:53 |
| johnx | O_o | 11:54 |
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| johnx | power spike maybe? | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | maybe swap | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | I don't think so, johnx, I deactivated metalayer-crawler | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | I repeated, and the same occured again | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | three times | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | then I stopped trying :-) | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | do you have swap on? | 11:54 |
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| johnx | the way you describe that unusual fadeout makes me think too much power demand from the card reader after a while | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | no | 11:54 |
| jdiaz | johnx, that was I thought too | 11:55 |
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| johnx | similar things can happen on my zaurus under too much power load | 11:55 |
| jdiaz | I should try again through a self-powered hub | 11:55 |
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| jdiaz | But supposedly, the tablet should deactivate the usb device if it detects too much power consumption... | 11:57 |
| johnx | did you have wifi on and screen bright? | 11:57 |
| johnx | was battery mostly charged or getting low? | 11:58 |
| jdiaz | I don't remember about wifi, but the screen was dim | 11:58 |
| jdiaz | about the battery, it was charging at that moment | 11:58 |
| johnx | I don't know then | 11:58 |
| jdiaz | and it was mostly exhausted | 11:58 |
| johnx | hmm | 11:58 |
| johnx | might be worth trying with a fullish battery just to rule that out | 11:58 |
| jdiaz | Well, I can try now. The battery indicator reports me 5 hours of use | 11:59 |
| johnx | good luck | 11:59 |
| jdiaz | :) | 11:59 |
| johnx | and remember to run sync first | 11:59 |
| jdiaz | :( | 12:01 |
| jdiaz | same behaviour | 12:01 |
| jdiaz | this time, was even faster | 12:01 |
| jdiaz | the hanging occured even before the card got mounted | 12:01 |
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| jdiaz | just after inserting it | 12:02 |
| jdiaz | trying again with self-powered hub | 12:03 |
| solmumaha | jdiaz: are you using usbcontrol? | 12:03 |
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| solmumaha | friend of mine had similar issues when he tried to use ntfs-3g, switching to usb-otg-plugin fixed it | 12:04 |
| jdiaz | :( same behaviour again... | 12:04 |
| jdiaz | so the card reader is unusable... | 12:04 |
| jdiaz | however, it works in my ubuntu desktop | 12:05 |
| jdiaz | solmumaha, yes I'm using usbcontrol | 12:05 |
| jdiaz | usb-otg-plugin? | 12:05 |
| solmumaha | you can find it from garage | 12:05 |
| solmumaha | install, enable and maybe reboot just in case | 12:06 |
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| jdiaz | Hmm... I'm reading usb-otg-plugin source code | 12:08 |
| jdiaz | it doesn't do any different than usbcontrol... | 12:08 |
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| jdiaz | it opens /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 12:09 |
| jdiaz | and writes the string "host" on it | 12:09 |
| solmumaha | i know, that's why it was odd that it worked better | 12:09 |
| jdiaz | the same can be done even from command line, with an echo | 12:09 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:09 |
| solmumaha | but it's also more handy than running a separate python app just for that | 12:10 |
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| jdiaz | oops... things are getting worse.. | 12:14 |
| jdiaz | now my tablet rebooted even without inserting the SD card | 12:14 |
| jdiaz | Only the hub was connected | 12:14 |
| jdiaz | and, 5 min after putting the tablet in host mode, it rebooted | 12:14 |
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| jdiaz | after putting the tablet in host mode, the reported status was a_suspend. Is this normal? | 12:17 |
| jdiaz | shouldn't be a_suspend status only for otg? | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:17 |
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| jdiaz | solmumaha: this is incredible... | 12:20 |
| jdiaz | usb-otg-plugin apparently solved the problem! | 12:21 |
| lardman | hi Jaffa, how was your Java conf? | 12:21 |
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| solmumaha | jdiaz: told ya! | 12:21 |
| solmumaha | :) | 12:21 |
| jdiaz | the card got mounted, and (until now) the tablet did not reboot | 12:21 |
| jdiaz | hummm | 12:22 |
| jdiaz | and now, ,the reported status is "host" | 12:22 |
| jdiaz | while before was "a_suspend" | 12:22 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:27 |
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| jdiaz | definitely solved. I was browsing the card and copying files without problem | 12:29 |
| jdiaz | thank you solmumaha | 12:29 |
| jdiaz | Now about usb keyboards :-) | 12:30 |
| solmumaha | np | 12:30 |
| jdiaz | do you know some portable usb keyboard? | 12:30 |
| jdiaz | I do not mean foldable, but at least not too big | 12:30 |
| jdiaz | I was searching, but without much result | 12:31 |
| glass | laptop kb size usb keyboards are pretty common | 12:31 |
| solmumaha | i guess the new apple keyboard isn't huge | 12:31 |
| solmumaha | but prolly not the smallest either | 12:32 |
| jdiaz | glass, not at the stores in my town. I guess I should go a buy one through internet | 12:32 |
| glass | jdiaz: the stores over here have em.. | 12:33 |
| jdiaz | what abouth those flexible (membrane) keyboards? Are they too uncomfortable? | 12:33 |
| glass | i'd say they suck | 12:33 |
| glass | and the projected laser thing too | 12:33 |
| glass | proper buttons are proper buttons.. | 12:34 |
| jdiaz | yes, the laser is even worse | 12:34 |
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| johnx | I have this: http://www.bestgate.net/keyboard_aotech_aok88ups.html | 12:34 |
| johnx | but there's other stuff on ITT that people have had luck with | 12:35 |
| jdiaz | btw, I plugged a usb keyboard with spanish layout, and had to tell the tablet about it under the "bluetooth keyboard" configuration | 12:35 |
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| jdiaz | and I have to reconfigure this setting every time I plug it | 12:35 |
| jdiaz | is there some way to automate this configuration? | 12:35 |
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| jdiaz | any CLI command? | 12:36 |
| johnx | for layout? | 12:37 |
| johnx | maybe there's a gconf key? | 12:37 |
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| jdiaz | I'll search | 12:38 |
| johnx | ah, I think dealextreme might list small keyboards too | 12:39 |
| johnx | you can look there, find something reasonable, and buy somewhere else if you want :) | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | and wait 2 weeks for a delivery from hong kong | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:41 |
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| johnx | which is why I said find something there and buy somewhere else... | 12:41 |
| johnx | unless you live in Hong Kong, then it should be rather quick :) | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | or china | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | i don't remember exactly | 12:42 |
| johnx | Hong Kong sounds right | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | i'm still waiting for a usb sound card | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 12:42 |
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| jdiaz | thanks, johnx | 12:42 |
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| nrktk | hi | 12:49 |
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| glass | http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/478 anyone tried that with nits? | 12:53 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142581&postcount=42 | 12:55 |
| jdiaz | doesn't seems much more comfortable than the n810 built-in keyboard :-) | 12:55 |
| jdiaz | is it possible to compile for maemo applications which require motif/lesstif? | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:00 |
| jdiaz | I'm trying to compile xpdf | 13:00 |
| jdiaz | ./configure complains about lacking motif | 13:00 |
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| KotCzarny | then compile motif too | 13:00 |
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| KotCzarny | or lesstif | 13:00 |
| jdiaz | apt-cache search motif/lesstif only lists libxt6 | 13:01 |
| jdiaz | xpdf also complains about freefont, but I have the package (and the development version) installed | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | bed time, bye people | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:04 |
| jdiaz | gnight | 13:04 |
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| lardman | doesn't the built in pdf viewer use xpdf as the backend? | 13:05 |
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| jdiaz | dunno | 13:05 |
| jdiaz | probably yes... | 13:05 |
| jdiaz | I installed evince, because I read it was far superior to the builtin one, but I was disappointed | 13:05 |
| lardman | I seem to remember seeing that; might be worth updating its backend rather than recompiling using motif | 13:05 |
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| jdiaz | in fact, it is slower | 13:05 |
| jdiaz | so I was searching for alternatives | 13:06 |
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| jdiaz | as for the built-in pdf reader, it is ok, but the gui have some misfeatures which bother me | 13:07 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ the source is there | 13:07 |
| lardman | add patches, etc. | 13:07 |
| jdiaz | for example, after I zoom to a level in which the printed area fits horizontally the screen | 13:08 |
| jdiaz | and use the horizontal scrollbar to put the whole text in view | 13:08 |
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| jdiaz | I can use space to scroll down | 13:08 |
| jdiaz | but when the end-of-page is reached and a new page loaded, the horizontal scroll is reset to the left | 13:08 |
| jdiaz | forcing me to fine-tuning it again | 13:08 |
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| jdiaz | why doesn't it remembers the horizontal position across pages? | 13:09 |
| lardman | looks like it's based on Xpdf 3.00 (Jan 2004) | 13:09 |
| lardman | is there nothing later than that? | 13:09 |
| jdiaz | I think I could patch that | 13:09 |
| jdiaz | Xpdf 3.02pl2 was released 2007-nov-07 | 13:10 |
| lardman | might as well, and add your patches to the bug tracker as enhancements. Best way to get features added | 13:10 |
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| gpd | Does anyone have an opinion on the Nokia E51? I am considering purchasing... | 13:24 |
| glass | it's ok | 13:24 |
| glass | how much would you pay? | 13:24 |
| gpd | Now it is online SIM free for 189 GBP. | 13:24 |
| glass | gpd: how much for 6120 classic? it's a fresher phone, about same specs | 13:25 |
| glass | and about same form factor | 13:25 |
| gpd | That one is 155 GBP I think | 13:25 |
| glass | i'd rather get that one myself | 13:25 |
| gpd | battery life reviews are bad on that - otherwise looks good. no wifi but I guess I can use the N800 for that | 13:25 |
| gpd | just want BT2 and HSDPA to tether to the N800 | 13:26 |
| glass | http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E51 vs http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6120_classic | 13:26 |
| gpd | Samsung Soul or a Blackberry are other options... but more cash | 13:26 |
| gpd | excellent links - thanks | 13:26 |
| glass | oh scratch that.. get the e51 | 13:26 |
| glass | much more ram | 13:26 |
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| glass | i remembered that e51 wouldn't have been fp1.. | 13:27 |
| gpd | Anything else I should consider? | 13:27 |
| glass | not in that price range afaik | 13:27 |
| glass | n81 maybe.. it's been pretty cheap lately too | 13:27 |
| gpd | what about higher prices? N95 I guess... but that is a brick | 13:28 |
| glass | yeah it's different form factor | 13:28 |
| glass | i use n95 myself still | 13:28 |
| gpd | recommend? | 13:28 |
| glass | the firmware upgrades made a huge difference in usability | 13:28 |
| gpd | i would wait for the N96 in that case | 13:28 |
| glass | i wouldnt | 13:28 |
| glass | n96 is different hw | 13:28 |
| gpd | ok | 13:28 |
| glass | no 3d in hw nor video outut(iirc) | 13:29 |
| glass | when compared to n95's | 13:29 |
| glass | n95 8gb is maybe what i'd ask for now | 13:29 |
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| gpd | hmm N81 8GB is 270 GBP... | 13:29 |
| glass | it has more ram than the classic | 13:29 |
| glass | anyways, forum.nokia is much better for the specs than the consumer site | 13:29 |
| gpd | ok - thanks glass will continue looking :) | 13:30 |
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| glass | n95 has also acceleration sensors if you're into hacking to that kind of stuff | 13:30 |
| glass | i recommend to going someplace where they have them on display | 13:31 |
| glass | because button placement and such is higly matter of taste | 13:31 |
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| gpd | yeah - very true. cheers. | 13:32 |
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| johnx | rm_you, mpd works right in debian now :D | 14:13 |
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| rm_you | :P | 14:13 |
| rm_you | wait | 14:13 |
| rm_you | mpd < --- > sound | 14:13 |
| johnx | yes | 14:13 |
| rm_you | ? | 14:13 |
| johnx | mpd plays nicely on debian/n800 even during high load | 14:14 |
| johnx | yes, sound | 14:14 |
| rm_you | !! | 14:14 |
| johnx | speakers, headphones, the whole deal | 14:14 |
| rm_you | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 14:14 |
| johnx | I'll release something "real soon now" (TM) | 14:14 |
| rm_you | how/when/where/who/why/which/HUH!? | 14:14 |
| johnx | hopefully before the next time I sleep | 14:15 |
| rm_you | sound == how? | 14:15 |
| johnx | stolen libs from OS2008 :/ | 14:15 |
| rm_you | <_< | 14:15 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 14:15 |
| johnx | yeah, I don't much care *how* it works either, only that it *does work* | 14:15 |
| johnx | and it sounds fine | 14:15 |
| rm_you | :) | 14:16 |
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| rm_you | a2dp? :P | 14:16 |
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| johnx | got that working a long time ago in debian | 14:16 |
| rm_you | ... | 14:16 |
| johnx | but it had *really high* cpu usage | 14:16 |
| lardman | johnx: you got the DSP running then? | 14:16 |
| rm_you | without sound? | 14:16 |
| rm_you | >_> | 14:16 |
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| rm_you | johnx: well, i'll install debian again in a bit then :P | 14:16 |
| johnx | rm_you, uhm...a2dp doesn't depend on the "system" sound at all | 14:16 |
| rm_you | I think i formatted the card... lol | 14:16 |
| johnx | lardman, yup. | 14:17 |
| lardman | good good | 14:17 |
| johnx | just a matter of copying lots of stuff | 14:17 |
| rm_you | so... i could have played music on debian a long time ago if i used my BT headphones!? :P | 14:17 |
| johnx | *after* I release this I'll make a nice big one shot script for arbitrary "other" distro support | 14:17 |
| johnx | rm_you, yeah, but the CPU usage was 80%+ | 14:17 |
| rm_you | <3 | 14:17 |
| rm_you | glad I got my n800 working again | 14:18 |
| johnx | so it's reliable/stable again now? | 14:18 |
| johnx | what did you do? hit it? | 14:18 |
| rm_you | somewhat | 14:18 |
| rm_you | i think the flash memory is corrupted towards the last bits | 14:18 |
| johnx | O_o | 14:18 |
| johnx | scary | 14:18 |
| rm_you | so as long as I keep it below like 90% full | 14:18 |
| rm_you | nothing bad happens | 14:18 |
| lardman | rm_you, johnx: any ideas which bluez release these fabled sbc optimisations are in? | 14:18 |
| johnx | you should find a jffs2 or mtd tool for marking those | 14:18 |
| rm_you | the problem always shows up after I install stuff and fill up the drive | 14:18 |
| rm_you | johnx: yeah :/ | 14:18 |
| johnx | lardman, no idea here...but I might read through the changelog later and see where it pops up | 14:19 |
| rm_you | lardman: been out of the loop too long, sorry :( | 14:19 |
| rm_you | but now that I have n800ness again... :P | 14:19 |
| lardman | I'm just looking for a changelog in the cvs now | 14:19 |
| johnx | they're up to 3.31 now?! | 14:20 |
| johnx | when the did that happen? | 14:20 |
| lardman | what version are we running? | 14:20 |
| lardman | ver 3.29: Add more SBC optimizations. | 14:20 |
| johnx | 3.28 too :) | 14:21 |
| rm_you | every update since 3.20 has had SBC optimizations >_> | 14:21 |
| johnx | we're on like 2.24, right? | 14:21 |
| lardman | ver 3.16: Add GStreamer plugin with SBC decoder and encoder. | 14:21 |
| lardman | just needs to be plumbed into the default player | 14:21 |
| rm_you | :P | 14:22 |
| johnx | nm, 3.28 in diablo | 14:22 |
| johnx | wasn't it 2.xx in chinook though? | 14:22 |
| lardman | we're on 3.20 | 14:22 |
| lardman | in Chinook, at least that's what's in the pool | 14:22 |
| johnx | ah, ok, I'm just confused obviously | 14:23 |
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| rm_you | i see 3.22 possibly? | 14:24 |
| lardman | 3.28 in Diablo should be a reasonably improvement | 14:24 |
| johnx | and should be possible to upgrade "unofficially" without too much pain | 14:25 |
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| * rm_you does a clean a2dp setup on his machine | 14:25 | |
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| lardman | If anyone is running Diablo, I'd be interested to hear what the CPU useage is when doing a2dp | 14:27 |
| lardman | or is that what you're doing rm_you? | 14:27 |
| rm_you | not on diablo yet | 14:28 |
| johnx | lardman, gah...booted into debian right now, hacking | 14:28 |
| rm_you | i'm being nice to my just recently working n800 | 14:28 |
| johnx | I'll check later | 14:28 |
| lardman | johnx: thanks | 14:28 |
| johnx | rm_you, so why do you think it was only rebooting when you moved it? | 14:28 |
| rm_you | no idea? *maybe* coincidence all 8000 times i tested that theory? | 14:29 |
| rm_you | maybe I fixed part of the problem when i disassembled the whole thing and dusted all the connectors and reassembled? :/ | 14:29 |
| johnx | uhm yeah, right...anyways for problems with your flash it should be totally possible to mark those as "bad" | 14:30 |
| rm_you | lol johnx, i love your popup :P | 14:31 |
| rm_you | "rock on" :P | 14:31 |
| johnx | there is *no* other option :D | 14:31 |
| johnx | it is only a matter of how long the user waits before choosing to "rock on!" | 14:32 |
| rm_you | hrm | 14:32 |
| rm_you | its playing perfectly thru mplayer with my videos... | 14:32 |
| rm_you | i thought i was supposed to need to change some cpu setting :/ | 14:32 |
| lardman | a2dp? | 14:33 |
| rm_you | yes | 14:33 |
| lardman | no, just that it uses more cpu to encode, so you might run out if you have complex videos to decode too | 14:33 |
| rm_you | these videos are *complex* >_> | 14:33 |
| lardman | what's your cpu usage? | 14:33 |
| rm_you | 90% it looks like | 14:34 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo.org for lack of sensible hosting | 14:34 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo.org for lack of sensible hosting ! | 14:34 |
| lardman | I should add that mp3 decoding also has to be done on the ARM for the a2dp case, so even more overhead | 14:34 |
| lardman | hi hrw :) | 14:34 |
| lardman | rm_you: praise to ssvb for mplayer optimisations then :) | 14:35 |
| rm_you | it's just interesting because it never worked this well before right off the bat. things appear to have gotten better while i was away :P | 14:35 |
| rm_you | i wonder why my first instinct is to QUESTION why things are working *well* | 14:35 |
| rm_you | >_< | 14:35 |
| johnx | paranoia | 14:36 |
| johnx | you'll end up as a sys admin at this rate... | 14:36 |
| rm_you | does canola use mplayer? | 14:36 |
| johnx | for some videos | 14:36 |
| johnx | it can use it for everything with the right config | 14:36 |
| johnx | but I haven't tried | 14:36 |
| lardman | what are the BlueZ libs called, I can't seem to find them | 14:37 |
| johnx | bluez-utils and bluez-libs maybe? | 14:37 |
| johnx | aaah...libbluetooth | 14:38 |
| rm_you | 2 | 14:38 |
| lardman | 2.9.2 though | 14:38 |
| rm_you | i think? | 14:38 |
| rm_you | libbluetooth2 | 14:39 |
| johnx | rm_you, correct | 14:39 |
| rm_you | we're on 3.22 | 14:39 |
| johnx | lardman, apt-cache policy libbluetooth2 | 14:39 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 14:39 |
| lardman | package and lib versions are independant | 14:40 |
| johnx | it's 3.28 for me in diablo, and shows 3.22 for chinook... | 14:41 |
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| hrw | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo - what for it is used? | 14:42 |
| johnx | open source maemo stuff it looks like | 14:42 |
| lardman | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ | 14:42 |
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| lardman | looks up to date at least. E.g. https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/ChangeLog | 14:44 |
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| johnx | should be | 14:45 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo.org for shitty ssl cert | 14:45 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org for shitty ssl cert ! | 14:45 |
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| lardman | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/bluez-utils-3.9-osso4/ slightly later version | 14:48 |
| grape | some serious curses your bot has... | 14:48 |
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| rm_you | ooo someone posted mplayer 1.0rc2 :P | 14:52 |
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| grape | anyone know which repo has e2fsprogs? | 14:55 |
| johnx | gronmayer.com/it says: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | lardman|lunch, what time this evening? | 14:56 |
| grape | sweet thanks... i had completely forgotten the name of that site | 14:56 |
| johnx | yeah...doesn't exactly stick in the brain well | 14:57 |
| grape | only the senseless things seem to stick | 14:58 |
| lcuk | can that maemo repo be trusted? | 14:58 |
| johnx | define "trusted" | 14:59 |
| grape | can any of the repos be trusted? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | well it sounds like a dodgy fly by night site | 14:59 |
| johnx | lcuk, ahaha | 14:59 |
| grape | oh that is just the maemo part of it ;-) | 14:59 |
| johnx | you mean maemo.org? yeah, I agree. and who are these "Nokia" guys? never heard of them... | 15:00 |
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| jaska | they make rubber boots and tires? | 15:00 |
| jaska | :) | 15:00 |
| grape | they must be spies trying to get RPMs to work | 15:01 |
| johnx | jaska, I think all the tread on mine wore down then. :/ and it barely keeps my feet dry... | 15:01 |
| lcuk | then get some firestone shoes | 15:01 |
| grape | lol | 15:01 |
| johnx | nah, I hear they explode if you run too fast | 15:02 |
| lcuk | only if you do lots of cornering - if you run in a straight line in dry weater (thats not so humid) with medium compound then you can get all the way around the world | 15:02 |
| johnx | so they hydroplane so bad I could run across two oceans? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | it depends on how fast you are running, i believe you have to be jogging at over 60mph to hydroplane | 15:04 |
| RST38h | No no | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | They make tires of live fish. That is why their tires hydroplane. | 15:05 |
| grape | figures | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | In fact, the Rabid Fish (tm) has been on Nokia's logo for ages | 15:06 |
| lcuk | but fish don't scale well. you can't exactly use trout as the basis for a (for instance) tank | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | Fish scales wonderfully. Them, fishes, have a LOT of scales | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | a beofish cluster? | 15:07 |
| grape | hah clustering the 770... | 15:07 |
| RST38h | you forgot "of these" | 15:07 |
| * lcuk hands in his geek card | 15:07 | |
| lcuk | IRC: talking bo**ocks since 1973 | 15:08 |
| grape | a cluster of 770s runs gimp better | 15:08 |
| lcuk | 1 pixel at a time | 15:08 |
| grape | probably a scheme to get more productivity out of those of us who's clients/bosses/wives think we should be working on other things | 15:10 |
| grape | a ploy to keep those lil cpus busy | 15:10 |
| lcuk | well, depending upon your cpu mode it wont be as busy as you hope | 15:11 |
| rm_you | anyone know what libungif.so.4 comes with? | 15:12 |
| johnx | what package? | 15:12 |
| johnx | dpkg -S libungif.so.4 | 15:12 |
| rm_you | oo :P i always knew there needed to be a way to do that | 15:13 |
| lcuk | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102202 | 15:13 |
| johnx | heh...looks like Gigabytes MID is starting at $1,199AUD | 15:14 |
| johnx | so much for N810 competitor | 15:14 |
| lcuk | can you use real money ;) AUD doesn't parse | 15:15 |
| johnx | AUstralian Dollar | 15:15 |
| johnx | think .94x$1USD | 15:15 |
| lcuk | 580.326095 British pounds | 15:15 |
| lcuk | (give or take) | 15:15 |
| RST38h | that is a smaller number indeed | 15:15 |
| RST38h | but my guess is, it will be cheaper in gold ounces =) | 15:16 |
| johnx | I'm sure companies will find a way to make it cost more in the UK... | 15:16 |
| RST38h | VAT, sir? =) | 15:16 |
| lcuk | im not VAT, im on a diet | 15:16 |
| rm_you | wtf... gronmayer says libungif4g exists in the main maemo chinook repo.... but apt-get/apt-cache can't find it | 15:16 |
| RST38h | which OS? | 15:16 |
| rm_you | chinook | 15:17 |
| johnx | rm_you, you need the main maemo repo, not just extras | 15:17 |
| lcuk | rm_you, i believe the lib* stuff is only opened up for direct install via redpill? | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | apt-get should pick it | 15:17 |
| rm_you | wait... i think johnx is right | 15:17 |
| rm_you | but... WHAT?! | 15:17 |
| lcuk | ok | 15:17 |
| rm_you | why does it include extras by default but not the main repo :/ | 15:17 |
| * lcuk is still learning | 15:17 | |
| lcuk | isdoes redpill just remove the filter from the GUI list then | 15:18 |
| johnx | because you already have everything in the main repo that you need | 15:18 |
| johnx | and/or "Nokia moves in mysterious ways." | 15:18 |
| johnx | kind of a strange lurching, flailing motion | 15:18 |
| grape | lol | 15:18 |
| rm_you | gah | 15:19 |
| rm_you | so it wants to REMOVE osso-software-version >_> | 15:19 |
| lcuk | which is still miles ahead of lots of other companies :) | 15:19 |
| johnx | also, not everything in that repo is "safe" | 15:19 |
| rm_you | that's just apt-get -f install | 15:19 |
| lcuk | back later | 15:19 |
| rm_you | is it ok to let it do that? | 15:19 |
| trickie | rm_you: IIRC there are side affects... cannot remember what though | 15:20 |
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| trickie | so unless you have the skills to restore/fix it i would get a second opinion first | 15:21 |
| johnx | rm_you, why does it want to remove osso-software-version | 15:21 |
| johnx | ? | 15:21 |
| rm_you | ah | 15:21 |
| rm_you | it's the osso-xterm that i installed | 15:21 |
| rm_you | the maemo-hackers edition | 15:21 |
| rm_you | johnx: wow, this guy's mplayer1.0rc2 compile works very well | 15:25 |
| johnx | cool | 15:25 |
| rm_you | xv seems to work much better | 15:25 |
| rm_you | and it comes with mencoder %_% | 15:25 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 15:25 |
| johnx | fun | 15:25 |
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| rm_you | and i guess serge is going to look into importing the rc2 stuff into the official build soon | 15:32 |
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| * Navi dies | 15:32 | |
| johnx | Navi, got mpd working right! | 15:33 |
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| johnx | did you just sleep for like 4 hours? | 15:33 |
| Navi | awsum | 15:33 |
| Navi | Yep | 15:33 |
| Navi | I'm a college student, so I'm used to it | 15:33 |
| johnx | but broke X, will have that back up momentarily, then I should release after that...unless I can think of some other reason to hold off | 15:33 |
| johnx | well, me too...but I don't do it on purpose... | 15:34 |
| Navi | I woke up with no alarms | 15:34 |
| Navi | :P | 15:34 |
| rm_you | isn't sleeping today | 15:34 |
| rm_you | err | 15:34 |
| rm_you | that was supposed to be an emote. | 15:34 |
| rm_you | yeah. i'm tired >_< | 15:34 |
| Navi | :D | 15:34 |
| grape | plenty of time to sleep when you are dead ;-) | 15:34 |
| Navi | Indeed | 15:35 |
| johnx | sleep is for the weak | 15:35 |
| johnx | ...and coffee is for me | 15:35 |
| Navi | hehe | 15:35 |
| grape | mmm coffee | 15:35 |
| rm_you | mmm can't wait to go to beth's again | 15:36 |
| rm_you | on the subject of coffee :P | 15:36 |
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| grape | so is debian on the n800 chroot only, or can it boot? | 15:36 |
| johnx | it boots | 15:36 |
| grape | w00t | 15:36 |
| johnx | it has sound, touchscreen, usb and n810 keyboard support, and 10,000+ packages | 15:36 |
| Navi | is wifi working? | 15:37 |
| johnx | of course | 15:37 |
| Navi | k | 15:37 |
| grape | oh baby! | 15:37 |
| johnx | I wouldn't bother releasing if it didn't | 15:37 |
| rm_you | is the vkb easier to use than the old one? | 15:37 |
| johnx | it worked in january | 15:37 |
| trickie | johnx: sounds awesome well done | 15:37 |
| johnx | rm_you, nah, it's the same | 15:37 |
| rm_you | :/ | 15:37 |
| johnx | someone will have to poke at that for me *hint*hint* | 15:37 |
| rm_you | BT keyboard support? | 15:37 |
| johnx | rm_you, should be the same support as debian | 15:37 |
| Navi | HAHAHA CUZ YOU POKE AT KEYBOARDS | 15:38 |
| johnx | I have no way to test of course | 15:38 |
| Navi | GUD JOKE | 15:38 |
| johnx | O_o | 15:38 |
| * Navi shrugs | 15:38 | |
| johnx | unintended pun :P | 15:38 |
| rm_you | o_O | 15:38 |
| grape | i'll install it after I make some coffee :-D | 15:38 |
| Navi | Black, no sugar or cream? | 15:38 |
| johnx | gimme a couple hours to clean it, then I'll need to find a lucky mirror | 15:38 |
| Navi | cuz I could use some too | 15:38 |
| rm_you | johnx: I can mirror it | 15:39 |
| Navi | megaupload? | 15:39 |
| Navi | I have a megaupload account :o | 15:39 |
| johnx | rm_you, you have space now? | 15:39 |
| rm_you | the ACM account I use for my debs has no quota >_> | 15:39 |
| Navi | awesome | 15:39 |
| Navi | johnx, how big is it? | 15:39 |
| johnx | unpacked it's just short of a gig | 15:39 |
| johnx | maybe 800MB | 15:39 |
| Navi | god damn man | 15:40 |
| Navi | Why is it so big? | 15:40 |
| grape | i have some space for a mirror as well if you like | 15:40 |
| rm_you | it's a full debian system? :/ | 15:40 |
| johnx | well it's a whole $*&%ing debian+xfce desktop install | 15:40 |
| Navi | rm_you, a basic netinstall can fit in less than four hundred megs :/ | 15:40 |
| rm_you | i might be able to trim that down a lot actually | 15:40 |
| Navi | with X and light WM | 15:40 |
| rm_you | i have a LOT of experience with that from making liveCDs | 15:40 |
| johnx | yeah, it can be trimmed | 15:40 |
| johnx | synaptic pulls in gnome stuff | 15:41 |
| Navi | >_> | 15:41 |
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| johnx | not *a lot* of gnome stuff | 15:41 |
| johnx | I was sensible to a certain extent | 15:41 |
| johnx | but I want this to be usable out of the box | 15:41 |
| rm_you | well, if you get it somewhere to start, I can DL and set up the mirror | 15:41 |
| Navi | staying awake for quim later? | 15:41 |
| johnx | I'll do a minimalist release later if enough people ask | 15:41 |
| johnx | Navi, of course...what time is that? | 15:41 |
| rm_you | oh when is quim's thing today? | 15:42 |
| Navi | duuuhhh... hmm... | 15:42 |
| trickie | 6 hours from now | 15:42 |
| trickie | ish | 15:42 |
| trickie | 10pm helsinki time IIRC | 15:42 |
| Navi | Just idle in the channel he's going to be in | 15:42 |
| Navi | whatever channel it was | 15:42 |
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| rm_you | damn, i have a presentation right then >_> | 15:42 |
| Navi | Aw | 15:43 |
| Navi | Ooh, Linuxtag coming up in a few weeks | 15:43 |
| rm_you | i really want to go to something like one of those events :/ | 15:44 |
| rm_you | someday <_< | 15:44 |
| rm_you | maybe if they do one in Seattle or nearby :P | 15:44 |
| Navi | I've been to a few comic cons, but that's all | 15:44 |
| johnx | whew, X11 works again | 15:44 |
| Navi | They're full of weird people :P | 15:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:44 |
| johnx | hopefully it won't be as sensitive to upgrades now | 15:44 |
| * rm_you is one of the weird people at anime cons | 15:45 | |
| Navi | >_> | 15:45 |
| johnx | I went to a sci-fi con once...weirder than an anime con | 15:45 |
| johnx | mostly because it was all older adults | 15:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 15:45 |
| rm_you | instead of jailbait? <_< | 15:45 |
| johnx | fans of anything in general are scary | 15:45 |
| grape | minimalist release eh? it would mean I would have no packages to remove on my flight this week! | 15:45 |
| Navi | Are you sure? I had a few Naruto fanboys/girls attack me after I said Naruto sucked | 15:45 |
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| grape | lol | 15:46 |
| rm_you | seems like anime cons these days are 50% 12-18 year olds | 15:46 |
| grape | that's one way to get famous | 15:46 |
| Navi | Get attacked by people trying to do sexy jitsu? | 15:46 |
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| grape | lol | 15:47 |
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| Navi | One of my friends has friends who are huge anime/manga fans | 15:48 |
| Navi | he opened his trunk once | 15:48 |
| glass | the people who go to cons are generally kids/teens | 15:49 |
| Navi | there's a small collection of manga in there :P | 15:49 |
| Navi | He tells me he doesn't read it, just buy it | 15:49 |
| johnx | glass, except sci-fi cons where it's mostly older adults... | 15:49 |
| Navi | I know better, of course. | 15:49 |
| Navi | glass, what about Linux cons? | 15:49 |
| glass | johnx: hehe | 15:49 |
| glass | well scifi and linux cons are mainly old men then | 15:49 |
| johnx | linux cons seem like they might be more fun | 15:50 |
| johnx | it's largely people who...actually do something | 15:50 |
| glass | i just go to demoscene events every now and then | 15:50 |
| Navi | A lot of technology conventions are for adults :P | 15:50 |
| glass | and then through work to some tech days and stuff like that | 15:50 |
| Navi | What was the channel Quim was going to be in again? | 15:52 |
| Navi | #maemo-something :P | 15:52 |
| hrw | #maemo-meeting | 15:52 |
| Navi | mmk | 15:53 |
| johnx | hrw, have some things you're going to ask? | 15:53 |
| hrw | johnx: 1. will maemo core provide list of maemo components with their open/close status + reasons for each component why it is closed | 15:54 |
| rm_you | i *still* want to know why the backlight applet is closed >_> | 15:55 |
| hrw | johnx: 2. will Diablo allow to install i18n/l10n stuff without 3rd party hacks like ukeyboard | 15:55 |
| hrw | johnx: those two are most important | 15:55 |
| Navi | rm_you, eh | 15:55 |
| hrw | johnx: as this also cover dsme, bme, umac etc | 15:55 |
| johnx | hrw, I agree. I'm looking forward to their answers. | 15:55 |
| rm_you | or the status of fully officially supported a2dp they keep claiming they're working on | 15:55 |
| johnx | rm_you, not in diablo seems to be the answer | 15:56 |
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| rm_you | :/ | 15:56 |
| grape | but if you give away all your secrets, you aren't cool any more! | 15:56 |
| * rm_you still wants an a2dp DSP driver | 15:56 | |
| rm_you | I still kinda want to try that as a thesis project | 15:57 |
| * hrw wants to remove 'maemo is opensource' from all pages in internet | 15:57 | |
| rm_you | 1.5 years of study, coding, testing and then a bunch of whitepapers | 15:57 |
| lopz | hola | 15:57 |
| rm_you | i think i could do it | 15:57 |
| rm_you | plus i'd make the department buy me an n810 :P | 15:57 |
| grape | funny that debian goes on there so nicely | 15:57 |
| johnx | it was a PITA at times | 15:58 |
| Navi | hrw, it's better than "S60 is open" :P | 15:58 |
| hrw | grape: as long as few binaries from maemo initfs are running? | 15:58 |
| hrw | Navi: I do not have device with s60 | 15:58 |
| hrw | but I do have two devices with maemo | 15:58 |
| grape | johnx: it wouldn't be fun if it weren't a PITA once in a while | 15:58 |
| hrw | and can not use other system without using maemo components | 15:58 |
| glass | Navi: yeah.. the way s60 is locked with capabilities currently sucks big time.. | 15:58 |
| johnx | yeah, but this is a PITA for stupid reasons | 15:58 |
| Navi | Yeah, but Nokia markets S60 being open >_> | 15:58 |
| glass | yeah :\ | 15:59 |
| glass | major pita to find right guys to get manufacturer caps and shit | 15:59 |
| Navi | Their definition of open is pretty loose | 15:59 |
| grape | that seems to be in vogue these days | 15:59 |
| * glass should be submitting some stuff for symbiansigning atm... | 16:00 | |
| grape | "pretty much" open | 16:00 |
| kaatis | you can code in 'Open C' ;) | 16:00 |
| grape | "except for the juicy bits" open | 16:00 |
| johnx | and I'd like to see maemo on other devices, to stop the fracturing of handheld linux... | 16:00 |
| Navi | fracturing is fun | 16:00 |
| hrw | openvoid main() { openprintf("hello world\n"); openreturn 1}? | 16:00 |
| Navi | Reinvent the wheel, sixty billion times | 16:00 |
| johnx | yeah...it's aaaawesome | 16:00 |
| hrw | johnx: I do not like to see maemo on other devices. it is limiting, it is closed, it is nokia | 16:01 |
| derf | An openvoid can have the value 1? | 16:01 |
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| Navi | Hi cmarcelo | 16:01 |
| johnx | well, if it were a little more open it would be fine, iMNSHO | 16:01 |
| glass | kaatis: haha.. open c is one of the shittiestly marketed developing libraries ever. 99% of people misunderstand what it should be used for | 16:01 |
| Navi | in my not so honest opinion? | 16:01 |
| Navi | :P | 16:01 |
| johnx | heh | 16:02 |
| johnx | humble | 16:02 |
| grape | lol | 16:02 |
| Navi | Ah | 16:02 |
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| cmarcelo | Navi: hello :-) | 16:03 |
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| Navi | cmarcelo, gunna be in with the Quim thing? | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | i still dunno what time this meeting is meant to start | 16:10 |
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| johnx | 10PM helsinki time | 16:11 |
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| Navi | yeah | 16:11 |
| johnx | info: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/ | 16:11 |
| Navi | Which is either +12 or +13 | 16:11 |
| Navi | er | 16:11 |
| Navi | >_> | 16:11 |
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| Navi | 4:11PM in Helsinki right now | 16:12 |
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| johnx | gah | 16:12 |
| johnx | hopefully I'll still be coherent | 16:12 |
| Navi | Coffee | 16:12 |
| Navi | lots of it | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | thx john | 16:13 |
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| johnx | sure | 16:13 |
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| cmarcelo | Navi: not sure. but I'm asking someone from our the team to be there :-) | 16:16 |
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| Navi | kk | 16:16 |
| johnx | after removing unnecessary stuff and cleaning up it's down to 755MB with xfce and epiphany-webkit for browsing | 16:17 |
| grape | weeee | 16:17 |
| Navi | :P | 16:18 |
| grape | I got a 4G SD card just to put Debian on :-) | 16:18 |
| johnx | great | 16:18 |
| Navi | I have a 1GB card | 16:18 |
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| johnx | not as great | 16:18 |
| MajMin7 | hey | 16:18 |
| lcuk | navi, thats a small one | 16:19 |
| lcuk | (mind you, ive got same) | 16:19 |
| Navi | I know :P | 16:19 |
| MajMin7 | does anyone have experience programming the N810 without using glibc? | 16:19 |
| grape | autoremove works wonders | 16:19 |
| johnx | it does, also cleaning out all the audio players I tested O_o | 16:19 |
| MajMin7 | I want to design a GPS program using pthreads and such | 16:19 |
| grape | lol johnx | 16:19 |
| grape | i like moc the best | 16:20 |
| Navi | moc is my second favorite | 16:20 |
| grape | what is your fav? | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Maj: So, what is the problem? | 16:21 |
| MajMin7 | so | 16:22 |
| MajMin7 | im trying to use the GPS device and all of the example code is using glibc | 16:22 |
| MajMin7 | which i know nothing about | 16:22 |
| MajMin7 | im on a tight deadline and I just need to get data from the gps | 16:23 |
| MajMin7 | is there a way to register unix-style signal handler to catch coordinates? | 16:23 |
| MajMin7 | or must I learn how to use glibc? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, it sounds like you are going way ott for a feasibility study, have you managed to get the gps test working ? | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | if not, what appears to be wrong with the example on meamo.org | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Maj: you register unix style signal with signal() | 16:26 |
| MajMin7 | nope | 16:27 |
| MajMin7 | nothing works yet | 16:28 |
| MajMin7 | i had to stop working on this at 7pm last night though | 16:28 |
| MajMin7 | so im behind by a few hours | 16:28 |
| MajMin7 | i have pasted the code in from: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location | 16:29 |
| RST38h | what are you rushing for? a school project? | 16:29 |
| MajMin7 | and it doesnt work | 16:29 |
| MajMin7 | im designing the course project for a class | 16:29 |
| MajMin7 | the student's begin their project at the end of the week | 16:29 |
| MajMin7 | and i need to implement it by then | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Do they all have N800s? | 16:30 |
| MajMin7 | we have 21 N810s | 16:30 |
| RST38h | oh | 16:30 |
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| MajMin7 | the students know unix semantics | 16:30 |
| MajMin7 | most dont have experience with glibc | 16:30 |
| lcuk | the signal you are listening for is not to do with glibc or pthreads or anything | 16:30 |
| MajMin7 | sure | 16:30 |
| MajMin7 | i get that | 16:31 |
| RST38h | A moment. | 16:31 |
| trickie | MajMin7: how do you connect the device? usb, bt ? | 16:31 |
| MajMin7 | im ssh-ing | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | Could you please do cat /dev/gpsd? | 16:31 |
| MajMin7 | its on our wireless network | 16:31 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, one thing, make sure the gps is not in use by any other app at the time you are testing | 16:32 |
| RST38h | When you cat /dev/gpsd does it show data? | 16:32 |
| MajMin7 | uhm | 16:32 |
| MajMin7 | in my scratchbox environment? | 16:32 |
| RST38h | No, stupid :) | 16:33 |
| RST38h | On your real device | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | oh | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | hang on | 16:33 |
| lcuk | not unless scratchbpox can emulate gps | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | oh yea | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | i had tried both | 16:33 |
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| MajMin7 | doesnt exist | 16:33 |
| RST38h | The idea is to ignore whatever you have been trying to use and read cooridnates directly from /dev/gpsd | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | ohhhh | 16:33 |
| RST38h | And monitor that file for changes too | 16:33 |
| MajMin7 | ohk | 16:34 |
| MajMin7 | well the file doesnt exist... | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | A moment, let me see how gpsd is started | 16:34 |
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| hrw | how to loose 1.6GB of ram? | 16:36 |
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| johnx | run firefox | 16:36 |
| hrw | svn co http://stage.maemo.org/svn/ | 16:36 |
| johnx | svn went crazy? | 16:36 |
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| hrw | johnx: yep | 16:37 |
| johnx | nice | 16:37 |
| hrw | MajMin7: use libgps? | 16:37 |
| RST38h | MajMin: try running gpsd & | 16:37 |
| hrw | johnx: good that 4GB ram was quite cheap week ago | 16:37 |
| MajMin7 | k | 16:37 |
| RST38h | then see if the device is back there | 16:38 |
| MajMin7 | hmmmm | 16:39 |
| MajMin7 | it says that it "cant run with neither control socket nor devices" | 16:39 |
| RST38h | probably need serial device name as an argument | 16:40 |
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| MajMin7 | whats the device name? | 16:40 |
| RST38h | looking it up | 16:41 |
| MajMin7 | ohhhhhh | 16:41 |
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| MajMin7 | hmmm | 16:41 |
| RST38h | Try /etc/init.d/gpsdriver start | 16:42 |
| MajMin7 | it ran when i gave it a random socket filename | 16:42 |
| RST38h | and /etc/init.d/gpsdriver stop | 16:42 |
| RST38h | this should do the job | 16:42 |
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| MajMin7 | ok | 16:43 |
| MajMin7 | so there is definitely a gpsdriver process running | 16:43 |
| MajMin7 | its... /user/sbin/gpsdriver | 16:44 |
| MajMin7 | but the /dev/gpsd dir does not exist | 16:44 |
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| MajMin7 | could this be because the device doesn't have sky view? or are we not that far yet? | 16:45 |
| trickie | MajMin7: its not a dir, it would be a device node, if it existed | 16:45 |
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| trickie | not that far yet i think | 16:45 |
| MajMin7 | ahhhh | 16:46 |
| MajMin7 | ok | 16:46 |
| MajMin7 | well i cant cat it | 16:46 |
| trickie | how does the gps unit connect to the tablet? | 16:47 |
| MajMin7 | ? | 16:47 |
| MajMin7 | this is an N810 with a built-in gps | 16:47 |
| trickie | ah ok | 16:48 |
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| trickie | did you have gpsd running when you tried the liblocation stuff? | 16:49 |
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| trickie | i don't have a n810, so probably not much help | 16:49 |
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| trickie | i thought you had an external gps uit | 16:50 |
| trickie | unit | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | uhm | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | well | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | i used the following two lines of code: | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | LocationGPSDevice *device; | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | device = g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL); | 16:50 |
| MajMin7 | and when you create that device, it spits out a bunch of valid-looking last-use information | 16:50 |
| trickie | yep, and that device pointer should have a field 'online' or something | 16:51 |
| trickie | that tell you if it is connected to gpsd IIRC | 16:51 |
| MajMin7 | yea | 16:52 |
| MajMin7 | so i tried to print that field out | 16:52 |
| MajMin7 | device->online: Whether GPSD is connected to a GPS or not | 16:52 |
| trickie | yeah that one | 16:52 |
| MajMin7 | i did a: printf("device->online = %s", device->online); | 16:52 |
| MajMin7 | and it printed "device->online = (null)" | 16:53 |
| trickie | is gpsd running? | 16:53 |
| MajMin7 | that's old information though | 16:53 |
| MajMin7 | i did that sometime yesterday morning | 16:53 |
| MajMin7 | im certain that gpsd was running | 16:53 |
| MajMin7 | it seems to always be in the background unless i kill -9 it | 16:53 |
| trickie | ok | 16:54 |
| trickie | IIRC there are people who have said it can take quite a while to get a fix | 16:54 |
| MajMin7 | right | 16:54 |
| MajMin7 | so what i did was open the map program and let it acquire a fix | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | then, when that was working, i closed it | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | figured the gps unit was up and working | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | then i ran my program | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | btw, when you are running a map program, can you cat /dev/gpsd ? | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | hmmm | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | good question, RST | 16:55 |
| MajMin7 | let me try that | 16:55 |
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| MajMin7 | ok | 16:57 |
| MajMin7 | so im sitting in my offic | 16:57 |
| MajMin7 | no sky view | 16:57 |
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| MajMin7 | however | 16:57 |
| MajMin7 | it's trying | 16:57 |
| MajMin7 | actually | 16:58 |
| MajMin7 | lol, it says its tracking | 16:58 |
| MajMin7 | thats a joke | 16:58 |
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| MajMin7 | ahhhh | 16:58 |
| MajMin7 | new processes are: /usr/bin/navicore | 16:59 |
| MajMin7 | and /usr/libexec/navicore-navigator | 16:59 |
| MajMin7 | and also /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper | 16:59 |
| trickie | yeah thats the app bundled by nokia - navicore (the Maps app IIRC) | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | is there /dev/gpsd? | 17:03 |
| MajMin7 | nope | 17:04 |
| trickie | MajMin7: what does 'lsof' of the process id of navicore-gpsd-helper say? | 17:05 |
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| trickie | might have to emerge lsof, i am not sure if it is there by default | 17:06 |
| trickie | pff | 17:06 |
| trickie | i mean apt-get install | 17:06 |
| trickie | :) | 17:06 |
| MajMin7 | right | 17:06 |
| MajMin7 | hang on..... | 17:06 |
| johnx | or just look it up in /proc... | 17:07 |
| trickie | yes | 17:08 |
| johnx | something like ls -l /proc/$(pidof navicore)/fd/ | 17:08 |
| trickie | MajMin7: did you try maemo-mapper? | 17:08 |
| trickie | from im reading in the archives it seems to provide a better view of what is happening on the app level | 17:08 |
| trickie | never used it myself though | 17:09 |
| jdiaz | I'm trying to compile osso-pdf-viewer (I plan to develop some patches for improving the reading experience) | 17:09 |
| jdiaz | However, I'm unable to (compile, that is :-) | 17:09 |
| MajMin7 | ok | 17:09 |
| jdiaz | when I run autogen.sh, I get an error | 17:09 |
| jdiaz | checking for GDEPS... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 | 17:10 |
| MajMin7 | augh | 17:10 |
| MajMin7 | i keep loosing my ssh connection to my device | 17:10 |
| MajMin7 | so i keep doing this on the device itself | 17:10 |
| MajMin7 | output sucks! | 17:10 |
| jdiaz | ...) were not met: | 17:10 |
| jdiaz | No package 'comapp' found | 17:10 |
| RST38h | "Marvel at its quad-core processor! Gasp at its one-hour battery life!" | 17:11 |
| MajMin7 | btw, what is maemo-mapper? | 17:11 |
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| fysa | that 'server' laptop catching your eye, RST38h? ;) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | MajMin: Google? | 17:12 |
| jdiaz | MajMin7, it is an application which downloads maps from internet and allow you to browse them, with gps support | 17:12 |
| RST38h | fysa: Yep. | 17:12 |
| RST38h | We are reading the same rss feed... | 17:12 |
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| johnx | MajMin7, a neat little map showing program that can use google maps or open streetmap and uses the GPS for location info | 17:12 |
| MajMin7 | ohhhh | 17:13 |
| MajMin7 | i downloaded the source | 17:13 |
| MajMin7 | thanks | 17:13 |
| jdiaz | basically, it shows your location and track on maps downladed from public sources | 17:13 |
| RST38h | and it does use gpsd | 17:13 |
| fysa | RST38h, Google Reader shared: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/17922113735390681007 | 17:13 |
| nomis | hmm. Maemo-Mapper currently has problems for me communicating with the gpsd. Does anyone know anything about that? | 17:14 |
| jdiaz | but it is an incredible experience to have the GPS on, and see in the screen the aerial view of the places you are travelling | 17:14 |
| fysa | if you're into that sort of thing. | 17:14 |
| jdiaz | because one of the sources it uses is google maps, satellite view | 17:14 |
| jdiaz | nomis, I own a n810, which has built-in gps receiver, and never had any problem with maemo-mapper | 17:15 |
| RST38h | jdiaz: now, we only need the bomb-with-stylus feature... | 17:15 |
| jdiaz | RST38h :) | 17:15 |
| jdiaz | yep, the experience is kinda spy hunter | 17:16 |
| nomis | jdiaz: yeah, I have the N810 as well. But I prefer an external receiver, since the internal one not even remotely works as good. | 17:16 |
| jdiaz | nomis, I know, I know... :-) | 17:16 |
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| jdiaz | what is the package commap? I can't find any reference to it | 17:18 |
| jdiaz | and apt-cache doesn't know either | 17:18 |
| jdiaz | but apparently it is required to compile osso-pdf-viewer | 17:19 |
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| |newbie| | kde roxx ;} | 17:24 |
| trickie | http://dberkholz.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/how-to-run-an-effective-meeting-on-irc/ <- interesting reading considering tonights IRC meeting | 17:25 |
| trickie | is there any specific agenda for the meeting that anyone knows of? | 17:25 |
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| * Jaffa isn't sure he's going to be able to make it :() | 17:26 | |
| RST38h | what is today's meeting? | 17:27 |
| jdiaz | hm, I tried to manually reomve the comapp dependency, and then ./configure had success | 17:28 |
| trickie | the link johnx pasted before: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/ | 17:28 |
| jdiaz | but after a while compiling, I got a file #including comapp_system.h, and the compilation failed | 17:29 |
| jdiaz | google knows nothing about comapp_system.h | 17:29 |
| jdiaz | suspicious | 17:29 |
| jdiaz | Ah! Found it | 17:32 |
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| hrw | internal n810 gps... | 17:33 |
| hrw | that reminds that I had to blog what I think about n810+maemomapper as car navigation | 17:33 |
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| jdiaz | I think it is not for car navigation... | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | hrw: bad things? =) | 17:36 |
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| hrw | RST38h: during 2x250km trips it got lost too many times. mostly reboots | 17:36 |
| RST38h | hrw: urgh. weird. | 17:37 |
| hrw | RST38h: and try to route detour without network... | 17:37 |
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| hrw | or enter street name using fingers | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Wait, you were trying routing in maemo-mapper? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | n810? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | looks like we are just one hour ahead of Helsinki. Cool | 17:38 |
| hrw | RST38h: I did route at home, stored to card and used just to see am I on track (after comparing it with normal maps) | 17:38 |
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| hrw | RST38h: and then in one city I had to spend 30 minutes to drive in a long queue between tracks | 17:39 |
| RST38h | well, the reboot part is strange | 17:40 |
| hrw | indeed | 17:40 |
| hrw | but I got used to it | 17:40 |
| RST38h | but as far as typing in an address on the go, I can feel your pain | 17:40 |
| hrw | thats why I will rather buy wince navigator then hh-12 car mount | 17:41 |
| lardman | hrw: have you tried Navit? | 17:41 |
| hrw | lardman: once at home | 17:42 |
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| lardman | I'm having troubles getting any maps to show up | 17:42 |
| hrw | lardman: osm maps are useless in Poland | 17:42 |
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| lardman | but it does have in-built routing | 17:42 |
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| lardman | hrw: ah, that's a slight problem then | 17:42 |
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| lardman | hrw: are Garmin maps available for Poland? | 17:46 |
| lardman | Roadmap has an interface for them, not sure if it does routing though | 17:46 |
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| hrw | lardman: there are - in misc quality | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | hrw: wince navigator will basically be the same shit | 17:53 |
| RST38h | hrw: the physical obstacles (small size, no decent keyboard) are not being eliminated | 17:53 |
| jdiaz | I didn't know about navit... interesting | 17:55 |
| jdiaz | is osm useful in Spain? | 17:55 |
| hrw | jdiaz: check on their website | 17:56 |
| hrw | RST38h: at least onscreen keyboard with prediction is usable | 17:57 |
| RST38h | osm isn't useful at all | 17:57 |
| RST38h | no matter what country you are in | 17:57 |
| RST38h | it is "open" though :) | 17:57 |
| hrw | RST38h: holland has nice maps | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | US maps are crap | 17:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, it looks nice around Seattle | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We have good maps in OSM. (NL) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Not on the east coast though :) | 17:58 |
| elb | the osm maps near here are OK | 17:58 |
| elb | they're not great, but they're passable | 17:58 |
| lardman | RST38h: why do you say it's not useful? Seems to be pretty good coverage in the UK | 17:58 |
| elb | the rendering is ugly, is the biggest problem ... font labels are unfortunate at many zooms | 17:58 |
| RST38h | hrw: Diablo is said to have finger kbd fixed | 17:58 |
| RST38h | lardman: Well, I tried it at the US east coast and it is pretty empty | 17:58 |
| * qwerty12 can vouch for Diablo on that point | 17:58 | |
| lardman | qwerty12: do you happen to have an a2dp headset? | 17:59 |
| Navi_ | it's even better now :P | 17:59 |
| RST38h | I think it has TIGER-derived dataset, but it is far from being sufficient | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, a2dp isn't supported | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | I tried :( | 17:59 |
| Navi_ | You can make it _always_ launch the finger keyboard | 17:59 |
| lardman | RST38h: US? | 17:59 |
| RST38h | For Russia, OSM is just empty, most of the time | 17:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: yes | 17:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12: enable it in the standard manner | 17:59 |
| jdiaz | well, I can see that in osm, the map of my city is very detailed and up-to-date | 17:59 |
| lardman | RST38h: I don't tend to go to Russia much so I can live with it ;) | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, I can't be bothered atm. I'm finishing off a long PM, give me time and I'll do it later :) | 18:00 |
| RST38h | you are just lucjy | 18:00 |
| elb | for Russia, *everything* is just empty, most of the time :-P | 18:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: well, the US wasn't very good as well | 18:00 |
| RST38h | elb: http://maps.yandex.ru/moscow | 18:00 |
| elb | it isn't like you can fire up Google Maps and navigate around Russia | 18:00 |
| lardman | qwerty12: np, I'd be interested to compare the cpu usage with your new version of bluez | 18:00 |
| RST38h | elb: The rest you don't normally go to | 18:00 |
| elb | I do | 18:00 |
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| RST38h | elb: I *can* fire up google maps and navigate around russia | 18:01 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm looking through Seattle and surrounding areas and it looks fairly complete... | 18:01 |
| elb | I've spent a grand total of three nights in Moscow ... and a few months total in Tyumen | 18:01 |
| RST38h | Tyumen should be quite an experience =) | 18:01 |
| elb | you can fire up Google Maps and take the highways | 18:01 |
| elb | but that's about it | 18:01 |
| RST38h | GMaps also works outside highways | 18:02 |
| elb | Russia needs to get their crap in gear with some openly available GIS information | 18:02 |
| RST38h | Works pretty well in fact, I did not expect to see a lot of places it shows | 18:02 |
| elb | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tyumen,+russia&ie=UTF8&ll=57.157332,65.51568&spn=0.020109,0.058022&t=h&z=14 | 18:02 |
| lardman | how good is Google maps routing in Russia? | 18:02 |
| elb | any place I care about in Russia is worthless | 18:02 |
| elb | Tyumen, Omskaya Oblast', Nefteyugansk | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | I know a Russian. He moved to Denmark :p | 18:03 |
| lardman | because the OSM coverage is better there? | 18:03 |
| lardman | :) | 18:03 |
| RST38h | elb: umgh | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, lol, he hates Nokia :P | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | satellite map is quite detailed though =) | 18:04 |
| elb | yeah, the satellite maps are good | 18:04 |
| elb | even in the butt end of nowhere in omskaya oblast' where I go | 18:04 |
| elb | you can see individual houses | 18:04 |
| MajMin7 | hey RST | 18:04 |
| elb | because there's a swath along the border of kazakhstan with awesome resolution, and it's caught in that swath | 18:05 |
| MajMin7 | i got the cat to work | 18:05 |
| MajMin7 | cat < /dev/pgps | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Kazakhstan = borat ? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | NajMin: cool | 18:05 |
| RST38h | elb: you know what...I have checked yandex map for Tyumen and I think I know what the problem is | 18:06 |
| RST38h | elb: damn place just has 6 streets or so =) that is why it is not very detailed on a map | 18:06 |
| elb | haha | 18:07 |
| elb | no it has a million streets | 18:07 |
| elb | it's over half a million people | 18:07 |
| RST38h | the satellite view also shows about 10-12 large city blocks | 18:07 |
| elb | but Russia has craptastic public GIS data for Siberia | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | oh, the military has very nice high res maps ;) | 18:08 |
| RST38h | and if you search for them on the net, you may have them too | 18:08 |
| elb | oh, to be sure there are a few main thoroughfares and a ton of little crappy streets | 18:08 |
| elb | but if you're staying on the main thoroughfares you don't *need* a map, they're really simple | 18:08 |
| elb | what you need a map for is all the crappy little streets | 18:08 |
| RST38h | yep | 18:09 |
| elb | Nefteyugansk is even worse | 18:09 |
| RST38h | But the place is pretty much an end of any road | 18:09 |
| elb | because their addresses are Japan-style | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Same goes for Nefteyugansk | 18:09 |
| elb | irrelevant | 18:09 |
| RST38h | it wasn't a city to begin with, that is why addresses are Japan-style | 18:09 |
| elb | the map data sucks, regardless -- and declaring Siberia a wasteland doesn't make it better ;-) | 18:09 |
| elb | no, it was *planned* that way | 18:09 |
| elb | someone thought it would be a good idea, apparently | 18:10 |
| RST38h | heh | 18:10 |
| MajMin7 | ha | 18:10 |
| MajMin7 | nice! it look like I need only start the /usr/libexec/navicore | 18:11 |
| MajMin7 | and then read from /dev/pgps | 18:11 |
| MajMin7 | RST38h: i could develop my whole app off of these gps strings, right? | 18:12 |
| MajMin7 | RST38h: just as long as I know how to parse them | 18:12 |
| RST38h | yes, although I suggest finding some other way to start it up | 18:12 |
| RST38h | navicore is a third party app | 18:12 |
| MajMin7 | ahh | 18:12 |
| MajMin7 | but all i gotta do is fork-exec navicore, no? | 18:13 |
| MajMin7 | whats the down-side? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | elb: Here, consider it a personal gift: http://planetolog.ru/map-city-zoom.php?country=RU&city=TJM&scheme=1 | 18:13 |
| elb | MajMin7: why don't you look to see what maemo mapper does? | 18:14 |
| elb | RST38h: nice | 18:14 |
| RST38h | And Tyumen GIS data is here: http://gps.car72.ru/ | 18:14 |
| elb | that's the best online map I've seen | 18:14 |
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| Khertan | someone have some experiences with gpe source code ? | 18:15 |
| MajMin7 | elb:yea, thats next | 18:15 |
| MajMin7 | thanks | 18:15 |
| Khertan | or does know how recurring event are managed in the gpe database ? | 18:15 |
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| florian | Khertan: I have some experience with gpe source code... but I don#t know offhand about recurring events. | 18:25 |
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| Khertan | florian > i m looking for how they manage their reccuring event, as i ve some problem in my own calendar to do it in sql. | 18:36 |
| Khertan | and as i believe it seems that gpe use a sql database to store event | 18:36 |
| florian | Khertan: Yes that's right, the functionality is abstracted in libeventdb. This has all the sql code for accessing and table creation too. | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | goddamn, I hate nokia. I spent 3 hours modifiying diablo initfs to fit and then they release a fixed one via SSU. Just my luck... :( :P | 18:39 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: ;( | 18:45 |
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| RST38h | Ho! Ho! Ho! | 18:46 |
| RST38h | So, is Diablo officially out now?!? | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Nope :) | 18:46 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Just some packages updated | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, no need to insult me :P | 18:46 |
| RST38h | not insulting ;) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, bad joke :) | 18:47 |
| * RST38h killed canola a few days ago with apt-get upgrade | 18:47 | |
| RST38h | Some shared library got upgraded | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, libeet missing? symlink it ;) | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Bundyo posted instructions | 18:48 |
| RST38h | yep, seen his solution | 18:48 |
| MajMin7 | so RST, what do you do with these devices? | 18:49 |
| MajMin7 | hobby? | 18:49 |
| MajMin7 | development? | 18:49 |
| * qwerty12 is trying to appletise conky but I'm unsure as to what I am doing. I've unpacked sample applet (thanks RST38h) and I'm gonna reconfigure and recompile Conky and try and mix code :) | 18:49 | |
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| RST38h | qwerty: basically, you want to create a gtk widget (like button created in that example), extract X11 window handle from it, and feed that handle to Conky | 18:50 |
| RST38h | That should do the job more or less | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, thanks :) | 18:51 |
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| lardman | MajMin7: look at libgpsmgr for how to start/stop gpsd which in turn starts gpsdriver | 18:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Has anyone here compiled any GNOME app for Chinook? I would love a port of gnome stones but I get so much headers missing... | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, as soon as I find my headphones, I'll try johnx/only method of a2dp :) | 18:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12: cool, hopefully cpu usage will be ~5% | 18:55 |
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| lardman | ;) | 18:55 |
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| qwerty12 | I just realised I don't have my XMMS anymore :(. I'll have to use mplayer. | 18:57 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, so far not so good. I'm rebooting. | 19:08 |
| lardman | I was about to ask how it was going | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | I'm a mind reader muhahahaha | 19:08 |
| lardman | :) | 19:09 |
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| qwerty12 | w00t, it works nicely :) | 19:11 |
| lardman | good to hear | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | load applet =2 bars | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | one skip for one second. | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Uploading screenshot :P | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Scratch the screenie, I can't be arsed :p | 19:12 |
| johnx | what does top say? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Load average 1.27 1.04 0.50 | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | bluetoothd = 0.1% | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | mplayer = 45% | 19:13 |
| johnx | interesting | 19:13 |
| lardman | or strange even | 19:16 |
| lardman | i don't suppose your headset is one of the fancy ones that supports mp3 decoding directly? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | It is come think of it | 19:16 |
| lardman | which, strange or fancy? | 19:16 |
| _berto_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html | 19:16 |
| _berto_ | ugh | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, strange :p. MSI Blueplayer support knockoff. Chinese strike again :p | 19:17 |
| lardman | so probably uses SBC then | 19:17 |
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| lardman | what's the mplayer top output if you output to wired headphones/speaker? | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | For £10 though, I ain't complaining. | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | Not sure, let me check | 19:18 |
| lardman | :) | 19:18 |
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| czr | damn, my sub-100 bug is still alive. | 19:19 |
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| czr | the comments are funny read though. it's just been mostly reassigned between versions :-) | 19:19 |
| lardman | what number is this one? | 19:19 |
| czr | _berto_, that's the openssl+debian issue? | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, mplayer version? | 19:19 |
| czr | it's evil. ssh keys and ssl certs need to be considered as compromised :-).. | 19:20 |
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| lardman | qwerty12: sorry, that was aimed at czr | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | ah, sorry, my bad :) | 19:20 |
| czr | lardman, 97 methinks, let me check | 19:20 |
| czr | 95 sry. | 19:20 |
| czr | all of my other under-100 bugs have been closed a long time ago.. | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | top output. load average - 0.12 0.49 0.47. mplayer 19.8% | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | esd is taking 1.8% | 19:21 |
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| _berto_ | czr: yes it is | 19:22 |
| lardman | qwerty12: so ~25% cpu assuming the sbc encoder is running in mplayer | 19:23 |
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| lardman | ~25% for the sbc encoder that is | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, cool. | 19:23 |
| lardman | Does that work - mplayer links to alsa which links to bluez-utils which pulls in the sbc encoder? | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman, I'll take your word for it :). I have no idea what is happening. | 19:24 |
| lardman | nor do I, just wondering | 19:25 |
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| lardman | I don't know how much better that is than before | 19:28 |
| lardman | I'll try when i get home & charge my headset | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | The N800 is more responsive and skips are much more better, last less (~1 sec?) than they did before. | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | I want to see INDT's version of Bluez :p | 19:29 |
| lardman | hmm, are these patches to bluez-utils the patches that INDT were talking about though? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | is this testing a video or an mp3? | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, not sure. I don't *think* it is though :/ | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, mp3 | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:30 |
| lardman | qwerty12: if not, someone else has been adding patches to bluez too | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12 | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/ :/ | 19:31 |
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| lardman | see you chaps in ~2hrs for the meeting | 19:35 |
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| pupnik | what meeting? | 19:36 |
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| acydlord | v | 19:38 |
| acydlord | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/ | 19:38 |
| acydlord | that one | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | ~curse firefox for random crashes and ubuntu for including it with hardyon | 19:42 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, firefox for random crashes and ubuntu for including it with hardyon ! | 19:42 |
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| acydlord | as ubuntu keeps becoming more mainstream i keep wanting to switch to another deb based distro | 19:45 |
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| qwerty12 | Try the original, debian :/ | 19:46 |
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| kpel | that beta firefox was a silly idea indeed | 19:52 |
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| johnx | for them it means not having to switch browsers midway when firefox2 is obsolete and no longer patched | 19:53 |
| acydlord | i used to use the vanilla debian | 19:53 |
| johnx | but in the short term it kinda sucks | 19:53 |
| acydlord | infact i still use debian on most of my servers | 19:53 |
| johnx | I just went back to vanilla debian | 19:53 |
| johnx | hardy had serious issues with my hardware and I didn't feel like tracking them down | 19:53 |
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| acydlord | one of my systems still has gOS built on top of ubuntu | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | is there a way to slow down the output of make? | 19:55 |
| johnx | so you can see it as it flies by? | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | yes, I'm missing a lot of headers | 19:55 |
| johnx | just redirect to a file: make &> make.log | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | ta, that did it. | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | I ran without & and it would put the output I didn't want to the file | 19:56 |
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| johnx | ah, the normal output? | 19:56 |
| johnx | &> puts everything in | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | I guess :/. Thanks. | 19:56 |
| johnx | 1> is stdout and 2> is stderr, IIRC | 19:57 |
| johnx | &> is both | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :). I really <3 gnome-stones and am racking my brains out :) | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | don't you linux people have "more" | 20:00 |
| lcuk | even i remember that from dos days | 20:00 |
| inz | but less is more | 20:00 |
| pH5 | does the TLV320AIC33 have some kind of analog gain after the DAC in the headphone path? | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | I know about less and more, my problem was that I wasn't getting all output | 20:01 |
| pH5 | the noise level on the n810 is uncomfortably high with 13Ohm headphones :( | 20:01 |
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| pupnik | pH5: there is distortion which appears to be software based | 20:05 |
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| pupnik | pH5: or are you talking accurately about noise | 20:05 |
| lcuk | hey pupnik | 20:05 |
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| pupnik | hi lcuk. | 20:05 |
| pH5 | pupnik: I'm talking about the noise level | 20:06 |
| * lcuk is on final almost countdown for linuxtag | 20:06 | |
| lardman | lcuk: scratch the video problem; I was tired & forgot that MATLAB/Octave writes in columns rather than rows | 20:06 |
| pH5 | for example when I touch the screen I get that clic and then ~1s of noise until the DAC powers down | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | lol lard | 20:07 |
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| * lardman could do with a week off next week too :) | 20:07 | |
| lcuk | but your first test appeared correct, or was that just unlucky choice of sizes | 20:07 |
| lcuk | i could really do with swapping | 20:07 |
| lardman | yep, the sizes were just about close enough | 20:07 |
| lcuk | ive go so much to do and to just switch off is gonna be... | 20:07 |
| lardman | I'm actually away to a conf next week, but could probably do with either having the week off or being at work to get stuff done | 20:08 |
| lardman | what am I saying :D | 20:09 |
| lcuk | i will get time to think at least - ive got enough little pieces in place to know what i want to achieve | 20:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, so is your blit blitting now correctly | 20:10 |
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| lardman | lcuk: the test rgb565 data, yes; so the conversion routine is probably screwing up the YV12->YUV420 stuff | 20:11 |
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| pH5 | hm, in the datasheet there are HPLOUT/HPLCOM output level control registers that does 0dB..9dB gain. | 20:18 |
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| pH5 | Is there anything more than the digital PCM volume made accessible anywhere? I couldn't find any useful alsa controls. | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Not sure on a technical POV but aumix exists for tablet. Can't remember if more volume ctrls was added. | 20:20 |
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| pH5 | qwerty12: amixer only shows a single PCM volume control | 20:28 |
| johnx | select the "master" mixer device | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | pH5, ah, my bad. Sorry. | 20:28 |
| johnx | for example: alsamixer -D master | 20:28 |
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| pH5 | johnx: ouch, thanks. that looks much better. now if I can find the analog volume.. | 20:31 |
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| johnx | pH5, I didn't see one when I was poking around | 20:32 |
| johnx | but then again, I wasn't looking for it ;) | 20:33 |
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| pH5 | johnx: 'DAC_to_HP' | 20:36 |
| pH5 | thanks again, too bad it doesn't decrease the noise level significantly | 20:37 |
| johnx | ah :/ | 20:37 |
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| dmsuperman | How can I rearrange my menus? | 20:44 |
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| dmsuperman | For example. a ton of stuff is put in the Extras menu, but I want to move them into other more logical menus (or perhaps even add new categories | 20:45 |
| dmsuperman | I can't seem to find it, is it a configuration file somewhere? | 20:45 |
| johnx | control panel -> navigation -> organize | 20:46 |
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| johnx | Doing some final sanity checks on Debian beta3. Anyone who's willing to mirror it can have first dibs | 20:53 |
| Navi | awsum | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | why not bittorrent it? :P | 20:54 |
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| johnx | I'd like to have it up on plain http or ftp for people who can't download things through bittorrent quickly/easily | 20:55 |
| johnx | but I would not be adverse to seeing it end up on bittorrent | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's always http seeding in bt | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:55 |
| Navi | :P | 20:56 |
| johnx | maybe I'll give that a try | 20:56 |
| johnx | right now I'm just getting it up to my host | 20:57 |
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| johnx | it's taking approximately forever on this DSL connection | 20:57 |
| Navi | hehe | 20:57 |
| johnx | my upload is pitiful | 20:57 |
| Navi | mine is 30kb/s | 20:57 |
| Navi | :( | 20:57 |
| johnx | mine too | 20:57 |
| Navi | I want Verizon FiOS | 20:57 |
| johnx | and it's 201MB compressed | 20:57 |
| Navi | their package plans have excellent upload speeds | 20:58 |
| johnx | I *can* get FIOS here but the landlord/rent terms don't allow it | 20:58 |
| Navi | aw | 20:58 |
| johnx | it would almost be *cheaper* too | 20:58 |
| Navi | Mhm | 20:59 |
| Navi | Still sane? Only an hour more 'till it starts | 20:59 |
| johnx | yeah | 20:59 |
| johnx | mostly | 20:59 |
| johnx | and happy with the state of the debian release too | 20:59 |
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| johnx | rotation is awesome :D | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | ever got sound working? | 21:00 |
| johnx | yup | 21:00 |
| johnx | comes with mpd/gmpc by default | 21:00 |
| johnx | plays nice and crisp through speakers and headphones | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | so what's not working these days? the closed source stuff? | 21:00 |
| Navi | Cool | 21:00 |
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| johnx | I had no luck with the camera | 21:00 |
| johnx | but I think it should work with the right parameters given to mencoder/vlc | 21:01 |
| johnx | I just didn't try very hard | 21:01 |
| johnx | also, lots of powersaving stuff isn't automagic yet | 21:01 |
| johnx | it all "works", but it needs to be done from a terminal | 21:01 |
| Navi | what needs to be done? | 21:02 |
| johnx | just some wrapper scripts really | 21:02 |
| johnx | maybe a nice brightness adjust app | 21:02 |
| Navi | mmk | 21:02 |
| johnx | a recompiled x server with dpms support | 21:02 |
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| johnx | for some reason suspend to mem stopped working for me | 21:03 |
| Navi | hih | 21:03 |
| johnx | it suspends and then comes right back | 21:03 |
| Navi | heh* | 21:03 |
| johnx | I think some process or driver is preventing it from working | 21:03 |
| johnx | I'd *really* like that fixed, because that would make battery usage acceptable for day-to-day use | 21:04 |
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| johnx | hey, qwerty12_N800, apparently I just pulled a new kernel down through ssu O_o | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, same here :) | 21:14 |
| johnx | the good news is debian still works with it at some level | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | false alert about initfs though - i'm still running my stripped version | 21:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, I thought debian runs separate :/ | 21:14 |
| johnx | it does | 21:15 |
| johnx | but it includes its own modules :( | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah right :) | 21:15 |
| johnx | so that kind of failed just now | 21:15 |
| johnx | anyways, that's an easy fix..."You can't use the Diablo kernel with debian. EOF" | 21:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna modify bootmenu to work with the diablo initfs. I don't think there will be much space to do though. I'm probably gonna rip out rx-48/810w stuff too. | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: got a page anywhere that documents the debian stuff for n800? | 21:18 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#Download | 21:19 |
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| johnx | glad you asked :) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | we use the n8x0 series for research so a more "flexible" OS can be interesting | 21:19 |
| johnx | you might enjoy this quite a bit then | 21:20 |
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| Navi | cool | 21:21 |
| Navi | you brought it down to 682MB | 21:21 |
| Navi | er >_> | 21:21 |
| acydlord | crap, i dont think my favicons saves correctly | 21:21 |
| Navi | Where did I get that number from? | 21:21 |
| * acydlord facepalms | 21:21 | |
| Navi | :P | 21:21 |
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| johnx | Navi, I have *no* idea | 21:21 |
| Navi | neither do I :P | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | Navi: that's Ubuntu XP Ultra Mobile Fancy Dancy Edition you're thinking about | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:22 |
| Navi | Ew | 21:22 |
| johnx | 747MB | 21:22 |
| johnx | still not bad at all with what it includes I think | 21:22 |
| johnx | that's a 300MB premium over nothing but a console | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | so, no change of jffs2 rootfs? :p | 21:23 |
| johnx | qwerty12_N800, correct | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/change/chance | 21:23 |
| johnx | still correct | 21:23 |
| johnx | seriously, the effort/reward value is waaay to low for me to even consider | 21:24 |
| johnx | especially considering that *I'm* keeping OS200x on the flash | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol. I wonder what flash chip is used. I'd like to replace mine and do cold flash. | 21:25 |
| Navi | heh | 21:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | 256Mb is rubbish amount :p | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: if you give me an url for the beta3, i'll put it up on somewhere that maxes out about 60-70mbit, no quota | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | we would all be royally screwed if jffs2 wasn't used | 21:27 |
| johnx | no URL yet | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:27 |
| johnx | I'm putting it up on my host first | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | just say when | 21:27 |
| lardman|afk | qwerty12_N800: My Zaurus 5500 had 16Mb iirc | 21:27 |
| johnx | 200MB @ 30KB/s | 21:27 |
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| johnx | scp says 1hr 25min | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman|afk, can I change my statement then? :p. 256mb is lovely amount | 21:27 |
| lardman|afk | qwerty12_N800: people always want more :) | 21:28 |
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| johnx | yeah, the 16MB root was seriously difficult to cope with | 21:28 |
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| lardman | especially when using the original Sharp sw which gave us ~8Mb to play with mounted rw (iirc) | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if my soldering skills were actually good, i'd have fun trying to replace flash chip. nokia provided us with tool to set it up. | 21:29 |
| lardman | worse on the 5000D which only had 8Mb total I think | 21:29 |
| johnx | really? | 21:29 |
| johnx | it had less root space too? | 21:29 |
| johnx | painful | 21:29 |
| lardman | I seem to remember that, 1/2 the RAM too | 21:29 |
| lardman | I didn't have one though, before my time | 21:30 |
| johnx | I remember the 32MB of RAM part | 21:30 |
| johnx | same here | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lies.... :p | 21:30 |
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| lardman | What, you mean palmtops used to have monochrome displays!? No, never! | 21:31 |
| lardman | :) | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, I once had old old old palm. smashed it and bought ppc. never looked back :p | 21:32 |
| johnx | ppc as in wince? | 21:32 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | os2003se :/ | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i wrecked that too | 21:32 |
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| johnx | I loved my prism visor | 21:33 |
| johnx | but I overclocked it for a while and it whitescreened on me | 21:33 |
| *** X-Fade changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/ | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook" | 21:33 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | X-Fade, thanks for heads up | 21:34 |
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| * lardman just joined to make sure he gets a good seat :) | 21:35 | |
| X-Fade | Hehe, everybody has front-row seats :) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | too late lardman | 21:35 |
| lcuk | the front row is already taken | 21:35 |
| lardman | :) | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | so, are diablo q's allowed to be asked? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | for everyone except you, yes | 21:35 |
| lardman | My irc client doesn't seem to give me a list of those in the channel | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N800: Sure.. | 21:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: /who | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, :p | 21:36 |
| Andy80 | what is Diablo? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | lard, get xchat quickly | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, x-chat ftw | 21:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, beat me | 21:36 |
| johnx | better question: is it productive to ask diablo questions or will the answer just be "You'll see when we release it." | 21:36 |
| lardman | I've got xchat-gnome | 21:36 |
| lardman | X-Fade: thanks | 21:37 |
| lcuk | and you dont know where your list has gnone? | 21:37 |
| johnx | Andy80, the OS2008 "feature upgrade" with some bug fixes and modest as the email client | 21:37 |
| Andy80 | johnx: cool :) | 21:37 |
| lardman | lcuk: I don't think it had one to begin with; even my windows client has a list! ;) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | even my 810 client does :P but it takes up half the screen | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | +1 | 21:38 |
| johnx | xchat != xchat gnome | 21:38 |
| lardman | Ah, "Users" menu item, also takes up half the screen | 21:38 |
| lcuk | resizable? | 21:38 |
| lardman | johnx: fair enough | 21:38 |
| johnx | the non-gnome xchat has more "hacker-y" features | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: you can add http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 to mirrors of beta2 if you so desire (don't have an ITT account so :P) | 21:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: disappears as soon as I do anything else | 21:38 |
| dmsuperman | So I try to do apt-get install samba, then it complains that samba-common isn't the latest version (3.0.22-3 vs needed 3.0.22c-losso6) when I try to apt-get install samba-common, it says I have the latest version. Is there a way to get the samba-common package that it's requesting? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | at least you can get an overview when you need | 21:39 |
| lardman | yep | 21:39 |
| lcuk | i barely use the one on here - too many users | 21:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, will do, but I doubt beta2 will see much download action from here on out :) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, just testing the upload/download speed anyhow | 21:39 |
| lcuk | do i dare step back into vmware? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | was able to upload with 1mb/s from university, so i guess that was good enough ;) | 21:40 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 should go Sweden. I hear internet speeds are brill there. | 21:42 | |
| Stskeeps | or just a danish dorm that's connected to the national research network | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or that too :p | 21:43 |
| lardman | I get ~350kb upload & 6Mb/s download | 21:44 |
| lardman | at home | 21:44 |
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| johnx | kbits or kbytes? | 21:44 |
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| lardman | bits, is that B? | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My uploads bad but I have 8MB dl | 21:44 |
| johnx | bits is b, bytes is B | 21:44 |
| lardman | ah, always wondered about that | 21:45 |
| johnx | people do it wrong all the time though...so it really doesn't mean much | 21:45 |
| lcuk | its ok, companies have even started to change the numbers involved ;) | 21:46 |
| lardman | 1GB = 1000MB, etc. | 21:47 |
| dmsuperman | which is always lame | 21:47 |
| dmsuperman | but at the same time, aren't they technically both right? | 21:48 |
| dmsuperman | it's really up to the filesystem | 21:48 |
| dmsuperman | it just so happens that all existing filesystems are base 2 | 21:48 |
| lardman | in the same way that a billion dollars should actually be $1,000,000,000,000 :) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | no, it should actually be ... mine | 21:49 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Ehm no? | 21:49 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | forget dollars, my faith is in pound | 21:49 |
| lardman | X-Fade: billion = million million? | 21:51 |
| lardman | US (and now UK billion) = milliard iirc | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%2C000%2C000%2C000_(number) :) | 21:52 |
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| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliard | 21:52 |
| lardman | :) | 21:52 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: They can't even agree on that ;) | 21:52 |
| X-Fade | Well, I'll settle for both. | 21:53 |
| lardman | too big to worry about most of the time | 21:53 |
| johnx | back in a bit | 21:53 |
| X-Fade | Not when it come to bytes and recording HD movies ;) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | tell you what, lets just split the difference, i keep one part, i keep the other | 21:54 |
| johnx | nm | 21:54 |
| lcuk | damn, what a time to notice a bug in my program | 21:55 |
| johnx | lcuk, I know the feeling...I just realized I introduced a bug into my debian release at the last second :| | 21:56 |
| lcuk | its always the way | 21:56 |
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| johnx | yup | 21:56 |
| johnx | same with the last release too | 21:56 |
| johnx | glad I did the sanity check though | 21:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | extremely off topic, but as we are quiet, anyone know any good scummvm games? wasn't around then. | 22:04 |
| johnx | monkey island :) | 22:05 |
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| dneary | Hi | 22:06 |
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| dneary | There's a maemo meeting on in #maemo-meeting. Don't tell anyone, it's a sekrit | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, cool, thanks i'll check it out :) | 22:06 |
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| tank-man | not so sekrit now | 22:14 |
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| unixSnob | ha, and in fact this channel is logged and published on the web! | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | o, rly? | 22:35 |
| unixSnob | Nothing in here closely resembles a secret | 22:35 |
| moe25 | does anyone know how to get java to work in a maemo browser? | 22:35 |
| unixSnob | yeah, I've seen it. i think you can google stuff that people say in here | 22:36 |
| unixSnob | anyway.. gotta go | 22:36 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. WTF? My NIT just rebooted spontaneously | 22:37 |
| unixSnob | ah, I think I see what happened.. ran out of battery i think.. | 22:38 |
| unixSnob | I saw the nokia logo and thought it was booting | 22:38 |
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| ricko73 | what's the recommended image for use on an n810 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 looks like the latest | 22:45 |
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| johnx | ricko73, yes, that's correct | 22:46 |
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| ricko73 | cool. First upgrade I've done | 22:46 |
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| ricko73 | I'm moving from what shipped with the device | 22:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | can anyone tell me how to change user agent in microb, i've found little hole... | 22:47 |
| Navi | Heh :P | 22:47 |
| Navi | about:config? | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: the same way as in firefox | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | ^ | 22:47 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | thanks | 22:48 |
| moe25 | anyone know how to enable java support in microb | 22:50 |
| Navi | You can't | 22:50 |
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| moe25 | is it possible to run java applets at all in maamo? | 22:51 |
| moe25 | maemo | 22:51 |
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| KotCzarny | there were some tries afair | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | but independent from browser | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | and limited funcionality | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | another question, does \q\n\ mean anything or it is like return value for other code? | 22:52 |
| Navi | in what? | 22:52 |
| fysa | anyone ask about the 3D driver? :) | 22:52 |
| moe25 | ok thanks navi and kotczarny | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | \r is line break and \n is line feed | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | in ascii | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thanks :) | 22:52 |
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| KotCzarny | or something similiar | 22:53 |
| Navi | fysa, quim doesn't know | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | 3d driver is a taboo | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:53 |
| fysa | thanks, sounds about right | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ no one knows about 3d driver | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Navi, don't really want to say. it's not my code and i've already fucked this guy over once | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ no one talks about 3d driver | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:53 |
| Navi | He's just the marketing guy, after all | 22:54 |
| Navi | Though, you'd think it'd be important :P | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | navi: he knows the right people | 22:54 |
| fysa | how often does he meet? | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:54 |
| Navi | fysa, this is the first time | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: go to linuxtag | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | you will meet him :) | 22:54 |
| Navi | fysa, it's still going on if you want to join in | 22:54 |
| fysa | yes, lurking | 22:54 |
| Navi | ah | 22:54 |
| fysa | came in late so didn't want to waste his time with a question that had been asked. | 22:54 |
| johnx | fysa, want me to dcc you my log? | 22:56 |
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| * Jaffa turns up late as well. Damned work drinks. | 23:03 | |
| Navi | Heh | 23:03 |
| Navi | fun fun | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: that file uploaded yet? :) | 23:03 |
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| Navi | he was offering to dcc it | 23:04 |
| Navi | unless you were talking about Debian | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | debian | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:04 |
| johnx | nah...I did a sanity check as it uploaded and realized I screwed something up | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | dcc debian | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:04 |
| fysa | I'll wait until it's up somewhere. I'm subscribed to maemo planet, so I'm sure it will appear.. ;) | 23:04 |
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| Navi | johnx, damn | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: seed via bittorrent | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:04 |
| johnx | fixed and 30% uploaded now | 23:04 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, no | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 23:04 |
| Navi | johnx, why not? | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's made for that purpose | 23:04 |
| johnx | because that wouldn't be a very effective use of bandwidth | 23:05 |
| Navi | http seed = win | 23:05 |
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| KotCzarny | johnx: not? | 23:05 |
| johnx | I have 30KB/s upload on my home connection | 23:05 |
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| johnx | if I seed all that will happen is most will be eaten by overhead | 23:05 |
| johnx | just wait til I upload to my webhost | 23:05 |
| johnx | then someone will be able to mirror it quickly | 23:05 |
| johnx | from there you can do whatever you want with it | 23:06 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: dcc of the log would be appreciated. | 23:10 |
| johnx | Jaffa, dcc'ing | 23:11 |
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| Jaffa | XDCC LIST | 23:13 |
| Navi | Jaffa, lol. | 23:13 |
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| KotCzarny | !list | 23:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | since its OT in the meeting channel...any way of making the RSS reader have a smaller font? imnot blind and woul dprefer more items rather than havign it adapted for old people :) | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | switch theme? | 23:33 |
| X-Fade | Edit your gtkrc? | 23:33 |
| Cptnodegard | edit my what? *puts on noob hat* | 23:34 |
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| johnx | the gtkrc file in the theme you're using | 23:34 |
| johnx | /usr/share/themes/foo/bar/gtkrc | 23:35 |
| johnx | or something like that | 23:35 |
| * johnx is tired | 23:35 | |
| lardman | ok | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | the feed reader zooms doesn't it? | 23:35 |
| Cptnodegard | basically i take it theres no option to do it for only the rss reader without venturing into stuff im scared of :) | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | not the list pane though | 23:35 |
| Cptnodegard | oh sorry i meant the desktop rss reader | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | ah | 23:35 |
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| lcdd | the rss reader is useless until it stops choking on compressed feeds | 23:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, bb5 = baseband 5. it is security system used in nokia phones (unlocking etc). N8*0 has bb5 stuff in it, e.g retu and tahvo which can be found in phones like n70 e.g. 810w will use bb5 security to generate random number. dsme, bme etc interface with it but they are closed because phone hackers would get ideas... | 23:38 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N800: ah, I see | 23:39 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: the random number gen stuff is buried in there too isn't it, plus the encryption stuff | 23:39 |
| lardman | ~lart Ubuntu for keeping repeating the letter hhhhhhhhhh no matter which keyboard I use! | 23:40 |
| * infobot duct-tapes Ubuntu to the floor and drools on him for keeping repeating the letter hhhhhhhhhh no matter which keyboard I use! | 23:40 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yes, i saw a peek in diablo initfs. bb5-random generates random number and sends it to urandom | 23:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it uses libb5 which i can only understand must "talk" to bb5 | 23:41 |
| Cptnodegard | lcdd: choking? never experienced that. i use it for keeping track of new tv shows and also track postal packages with a php thingy i got...works wonders for that in any case | 23:41 |
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| Blastur | hello! im considering getting a n810, but i'd like to know if it can support a bluetooth keyboard? | 23:42 |
| Navi | yes | 23:42 |
| Blastur | since the built-in keyboard seems quite small | 23:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: well it's good to see we're getting something more out of the hw | 23:42 |
| lardman | Blastur: built-in is not too bad | 23:43 |
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| Blastur | very cool! can you recommend any specific bluetooth keyboard model that will work 'out of the box'? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | any bt should work | 23:43 |
| Navi | Anything that supports the standard HID bluetooth spec? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | even some serial ones with some twiddling | 23:43 |
| johnx | igo stowaway seems to be popular but I use a usb keyboard | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, :), just wish it was oss. omap will also be more secure with "security" modules having to be loaded | 23:43 |
| Navi | I'd use one too if I weren't lazy | 23:43 |
| Blastur | johnx: it has a usb port? | 23:44 |
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| johnx | yes, but it can only run things that take less than 100mA of power | 23:44 |
| johnx | and it's not technically a "Nokia supported" function from an official standpoint | 23:44 |
| Blastur | oh ok.. so stuff like a 3G modem is out of the question? | 23:45 |
| Navi | Blastur, you have to get an adapter to use full USB plugs with the microusb port though. | 23:45 |
| johnx | probably | 23:45 |
| ricko73 | about how long does it take to flash the n810? | 23:45 |
| johnx | you're better off with a bluetooth keyboard, both in terms of support and portability | 23:45 |
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| Navi | ricko73, few minutes | 23:45 |
| Blastur | stuff like my digital kamera though, which has that small usb connector already, that should plug right in for uploading pics, right? | 23:45 |
| johnx | once you have the file, less than 5 minutes | 23:45 |
| Cptnodegard | [22:45] <ricko73> about how long does it take to flash the n810? <- depends on how big your boobs are (sorry couldnt resist) | 23:45 |
| ricko73 | hmmm. Then it must not be flashing correctly | 23:45 |
| Navi | Cptnodegard, >_> | 23:46 |
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| johnx | ricko73, is this under windows? | 23:46 |
| Cptnodegard | ricko73: remeber it has to download the files first, that takes longer | 23:46 |
| ricko73 | johnx: linux | 23:46 |
| johnx | ah | 23:46 |
| ricko73 | files are downloaded | 23:46 |
| johnx | is it spitting out progress info? | 23:46 |
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| X-Fade | ricko73: Less than 30 seconds orso. | 23:46 |
| Navi | johnx, how far along is debian? | 23:46 |
| ricko73 | no progress. the cli flasher-3.0 immediately exits after the device is turned on | 23:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | use -f -F to flash | 23:47 |
| johnx | Navi, 63% uploaded | 23:47 |
| Navi | mmk | 23:47 |
| johnx | eta 40min | 23:47 |
| ricko73 | when I go into the Control panel after restarting the device, there is <unknown> shown under the version | 23:47 |
| Navi | yeah, I figured from when you said 30% | 23:48 |
| ricko73 | (under about product) | 23:48 |
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| johnx | Navi, and unless you're offering to mirror it, you'll need to wait until after that :P | 23:48 |
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| Navi | I was going to stick it on megaupload :P | 23:48 |
| Blastur | if i purchase a n810 today, will i be eligible the diablo upgrade when it is released, for free? | 23:48 |
| Blafasel | Yes | 23:48 |
| Blafasel | Otherwise Nokia is going down in flames | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ricko73, mine is like that but i can always flash. which file are you flashing? | 23:49 |
| johnx | everyone who has an N800 or N810 is "eligible" | 23:49 |
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| ricko73 | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 | 23:49 |
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| X-Fade | thp: You are a few months too late for that.. | 23:49 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: The stuff is freely available as download. You just need the compatible hardware | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ricko73, the bin image | 23:49 |
| Blastur | thats cool | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ? | 23:49 |
| ricko73 | qwerty12_N800: yes the bin image | 23:50 |
| Blastur | so whats the catch with getting a n810? it seems so good :) | 23:50 |
| Blastur | can you tell me some of the things you may want it to improve on | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ricko73, what is your full cmd you are using to flash | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | 3d drivers | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: Some don't like that it has only one SD slot, compared to the N800 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:50 |
| ricko73 | ./flasher-3.0-static RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | Others don't like the dpad | 23:50 |
| Navi | Chinook browser isn't as responsive as Diablo's | 23:50 |
| Blastur | dpad? | 23:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | use -f -F | 23:50 |
| ricko73 | per the instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 23:51 |
| Navi | Blastur, there's a five way rocker on the slider | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | blafasel: it's not a sd slot, but sd micro/mini ? | 23:51 |
| ricko73 | qwerty12_N800: I'll try that | 23:51 |
| Blafasel | The directional pad, the "stick" stuff.. | 23:51 |
| Blastur | oh | 23:51 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Right, sorry for simplifying ;) | 23:51 |
| Navi | Blastur, it's very tough to use for long amount of times | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | that's a difference in availability and price | 23:51 |
| johnx | ricko73, flasher -f -F image -R | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | -R isn't needed for me :/ | 23:51 |
| Blafasel | KotCzarny: Yeah, but that's minor imo, the most complains I've seen are about the reduction from 2 to 1 slot | 23:52 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: I own one and I'm happy with it, mind you. But everything could need improvement. | 23:52 |
| ricko73 | johnx: thanks! it's working now | 23:52 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: Especially if you plan to use the GPS: Beware ;) | 23:52 |
| ricko73 | someone should correct that web page | 23:52 |
| Blastur | how is the n810 recharged? is there like a dock station so i could put it in and use it as a stationary skype phone when im at home? | 23:52 |
| ricko73 | flashed and rebooting | 23:52 |
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| Blafasel | Blastur: No, standard Nokia connector | 23:53 |
| Blastur | is the quality of gps bad? | 23:53 |
| Blafasel | (the newest one, very tiny) | 23:53 |
| johnx | Blastur, it has a "kick stand" though | 23:53 |
| johnx | Blastur, the GPS is not that great. but you can use a good bluetooth GPS with it | 23:53 |
| Blastur | you mean the accuracy, or is it the software that fails? | 23:53 |
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| ricko73 | I ordered a ProClip mount for my equinox | 23:54 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: Yes, it's bad. It hardly get's a connection and takes ages if it does get one accidently. | 23:54 |
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| Navi | Blafasel, it takes a while to get a fix for some | 23:54 |
| Blafasel | Blastur: The accuracy is not the problem. Getting a signal/fix is it. | 23:54 |
| Blastur | oh.. that sounds serious | 23:54 |
| Blastur | what are we talking here? 5 minutes? | 23:54 |
| ricko73 | btw, I appreciate the friendly non-elitist attitude in here | 23:54 |
| Blastur | to get a fix | 23:54 |
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| Blafasel | Navi: Yeah. Zurich suburb, clear sky, gave up after ~ 15minutes | 23:54 |
| ricko73 | it's not all that common in many irc channels | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | 1-60 minutes | 23:54 |
| Navi | Blastur, anywhere from a few minutes to forever | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:54 |
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| Navi | Some people can't get a fix even after hours | 23:55 |
| acydlord | it usually takes me 5-20 minutes from inside my bedroom | 23:55 |
| johnx | Blastur, the software isn't up to the same level as many standalone GPS units either | 23:55 |
| acydlord | and this is after letting it connect once a day | 23:55 |
| johnx | ricko73, sure, glad to help. BTW, I think you missed a -F when you were copying from the wiki :) | 23:55 |
| ricko73 | johnx: oh yes | 23:56 |
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| ricko73 | I did miss that | 23:56 |
| ricko73 | whoops | 23:56 |
| johnx | no worries | 23:56 |
| Blastur | johnx: well, ok.. do you know if i can use this for projects like www.openstreetmap.org? i contribute a lot to that project by tracing roads and such, it'd be sweet to have software inside the gps unit that can upload and edit the maps directly 'from the field' | 23:56 |
| Blastur | now i have to get home first to edit the maps | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper | 23:56 |
| Navi | maemo mapper has support for OSM, I believe | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'll work with just about anything bitmap. | 23:56 |
| Navi | ZOMG GeneralAntilles | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Die, besh! | 23:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles stabs Navi. | 23:57 | |
| Blastur | ok, im ordering one now ;-) | 23:57 |
| * Navi dies a painful death | 23:57 | |
| ricko73 | it's chugging along with the restore process...so far so good | 23:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Goodbye, Navi. | 23:57 |
| ricko73 | has anyone used the roadmap GPS program? | 23:57 |
| Blastur | the only thing i miss is 3g connectivity | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just tether a phone. . . | 23:57 |
| Blafasel | Why? Because you have to carry a phone as well.. | 23:57 |
| acydlord | i went out and bought a centro just to use as a bluetooth evdo modem | 23:57 |
| ricko73 | I knew one of the original devs on that project and found it to be very good when I had a PC in my car | 23:58 |
| Blastur | centro? | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | And charge two devices. I constantly face one dying ;) | 23:58 |
| acydlord | palm centro | 23:58 |
| Navi | ricko73, I have, but not with a GPS | 23:58 |
| acydlord | well the n810 isnt a cellphone, so you'll still have to carry your cellpone anyway | 23:58 |
| ricko73 | Navi: hopefully I can get it to install now that I've updated the firmware | 23:58 |
| ricko73 | I had issues before with some missing deps | 23:58 |
| Blafasel | acydlord: Yeah, the point is that if you'd have 3g you'd probably have a phone anyway and - if not - could be always-on (and replace the cellphone with voip) | 23:59 |
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| Blafasel | But the "It's not a phone" discussion is old, I give you that ;) | 23:59 |
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| Blastur | by the way, can i SSH with this? to get to my work email i usually have to put up SSH port forward tunnels into the office network, can I do this on the n810? like ssh -L <localport>:<remotehost:port> blah@blah.com | 23:59 |
| acydlord | voip is kind of problematic over 3g in my experience | 23:59 |
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