| AStorm | lcuk: a fun mod would be N810 with a wooden finish | 00:01 |
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| KotCzarny | he already has it | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:01 |
| AStorm | another I tthought of is waterproofing | 00:01 |
| lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | waterproofing would be tough | 00:01 |
| AStorm | naah | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: plastic bag with a zipper? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | I was talking, a mod of N810 | 00:02 |
| lcuk | ok, waterproofing that doesnt involve putting 810 into a condom and tying a knot | 00:02 |
| AStorm | not additional stand | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:02 |
| AStorm | lcuk: simple really | 00:02 |
| AStorm | add some rubber | 00:02 |
| NullM0dem | rubber | 00:03 |
| AStorm | keys are already waterproof | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | and a vibration? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | if 810 had a grippy rubberised surface to begin with i would never have made my crate | 00:03 |
| AStorm | lcuk: no tools t mould one? | 00:03 |
| NullM0dem | I have some material from an old JCpenny shoe bag... some sort of thick clear plastic, i can type and use the touch screen, the trick would be waterproofing the seems | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | not worth it - i wouldnt go back to a plain device now - the thing i use is much better cos its a wrist rest and biffer handles etc | 00:04 |
| AStorm | and very pocketable... | 00:04 |
| lcuk | bigger | 00:04 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:04 |
| lcuk | its not exactly locked in there | 00:04 |
| lcuk | tough super kensington rubber band | 00:05 |
| AStorm | I'll replace the kickstand with a hard rubber variant | 00:05 |
| lcuk | i wanted a wrist strap for mine | 00:05 |
| lcuk | but theres no lanyard hole | 00:05 |
| AStorm | blah, who cares | 00:05 |
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| AStorm | use the kickstand | 00:06 |
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| Oniano | hi | 00:06 |
| lcuk | its not fat enough - i like your idea of a rubber version | 00:06 |
| Oniano | I'm having some trouble compiling example_camera.c | 00:06 |
| AStorm | lcuk: use it as a handguard | 00:06 |
| AStorm | not a handle | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i tried but it pressed against back of hand and was just plain uncomfy | 00:07 |
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| AStorm | because of sharp edges, I'll fix that | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i ended up hanging a hand towel through it and holding the bunch | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i missed having something to hold onto when i got this | 00:07 |
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| GNUton | hi | 00:12 |
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| AStorm | ηι | 00:13 |
| AStorm | ;) | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | utfail | 00:13 |
| lcuk | UT! | 00:13 |
| AStorm | greek utf | 00:13 |
| * lcuk goes and blows things up | 00:13 | |
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| Cptnodegard | that wood thing looks liek the one i made yesterday | 00:15 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_1305.jpg | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 00:16 |
| Cptnodegard | figured i might as well use the space that the screen stand uses for something sueful | 00:16 |
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| KotCzarny | i would have added disco lights too | 00:17 |
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| KotCzarny | and removed winxp | 00:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | i already got a home made jukebox for disco lights | 00:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/worklogs/jukebox.html | 00:18 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 00:18 |
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| n800n | it's from the freakin future | 00:23 |
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| jott | i wonder how many weather apps broke the last days... http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=xoap.weather.com+prod=xoap (it does not work with prod=xoap anymore) | 00:26 |
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| jott | that's what you get for not using your private weather station | 00:30 |
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| KotCzarny | that's what you get for living in a basement | 00:33 |
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| NullM0dem | heh i live in a basement too | 00:34 |
| jott | hey, that's why wireless communication was invented | 00:35 |
| NullM0dem | anyone know of a good replacement for the camera app, mine locks up my n810, and causes the status light to go red | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | mencoder ? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| NullM0dem | ah thanks | 00:35 |
| lcuk | lol - the red light is when its taking a picture isnt it | 00:36 |
| lcuk | but on yours it locks? | 00:36 |
| NullM0dem | i can pipe to it? | 00:36 |
| NullM0dem | yeah for about 4 minutes till i attach power, then it snaps out of it to display the charging message | 00:36 |
| NullM0dem | thats the only event that will unfreeze the nit | 00:37 |
| jldiaz | OMweather broke | 00:37 |
| Navi | Yeah, we know. | 00:37 |
| jott | jldiaz: see above ;) | 00:37 |
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| practisevoodoo | anyone here got scummvm on their device? | 00:38 |
| PHiiil | Hi i need help for nokia 770 | 00:38 |
| jott | http://pastebin.ca/1011117 <- fix is as simple as that | 00:39 |
| jldiaz | yes, I was backscrolling but I can't get the start of the topic | 00:39 |
| * jott fixed his private weather app too :) | 00:39 | |
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| jldiaz | PHiiil: ask :) | 00:40 |
| jott | practisevoodoo: i have scummvm installed | 00:40 |
| PHiiil | I like to install the theme for n800 | 00:41 |
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| PHiiil | The same you can see on internet tablet talk | 00:42 |
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| n800n | 45,598 pictures on my n800 | 00:42 |
| n800n | and none of it porn | 00:42 |
| n800n | cool eh? | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, sure | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | nice small folders or massive monolithic monsters | 00:43 |
| n800n | small | 00:43 |
| jldiaz | is it possible to use python for coding applets for the Home screen? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | you found anything reasonable for browsing them yet | 00:43 |
| jott | jldiaz: ye | 00:43 |
| jott | s | 00:43 |
| jott | quiver is quite ok for browsing pictures | 00:43 |
| n800n | quiver is the best one | 00:44 |
| lcuk | what format are most | 00:44 |
| n800n | i wish it had a shortcut to turn images in full screen | 00:44 |
| n800n | jpg and gif | 00:44 |
| jldiaz | then I'll try to do a currency tracker | 00:44 |
| lcuk | i ask because the lcd is very adept at handling YUV images - jpegs are naturally that :) | 00:45 |
| jldiaz | I need to be daily informed of the yen exchange | 00:45 |
| n800n | they're beautiful | 00:45 |
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| n800n | on this screen | 00:45 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny :) another bonus there actually, can strip out the entire yuv->rgb filtering for jpegs | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| jott | n800n: press l to rotate :) | 00:46 |
| n800n | i don't have an l :/ | 00:47 |
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| KotCzarny | n800n: map hw +/- to r/l | 00:47 |
| lcuk | l=left i think | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| jldiaz | n800n: use wiicontrol and add that shorcut | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | or dpad | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| n800n | ok now we're getting a little out of hand | 00:47 |
| jott | yeah r for right rotation ;) | 00:47 |
| n800n | oh | 00:47 |
| jldiaz | besides, it should be cool to browse photos with the remote | 00:48 |
| Navi | glue the wiimote to the back of your N8X0 | 00:48 |
| n800n | i'll try it in a sec but i think the dpad in full screen just goes to the next pic | 00:48 |
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| Navi | then you can rotate by accelerometer | 00:48 |
| n800n | hah | 00:48 |
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| Navi | We'll be that much closer to iPhone perfection | 00:48 |
| jldiaz | navi :) | 00:48 |
| n800n | yeah that'll look really classy | 00:48 |
| jldiaz | navi, i did that for playing marble madness on fceu | 00:48 |
| lcuk | just how small is an accell? could one be made to utilise the serial port on back under battery? | 00:49 |
| Navi | I'm not sure how big the smallest accelerometer is | 00:49 |
| Navi | but they can get pretty small | 00:50 |
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| jott | lcuk: http://www.harbaum.org/till/tiltstick/index.shtml | 00:51 |
| n800n | whoa numpty physics would be so cool with that thingy | 00:51 |
| jott | enigma should be nice too (as seen on the site ;) | 00:52 |
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| Saviq | Numpty is already so cool ;] | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | using it as a text-input device would be interesting | 00:52 |
| jott | KotCzarny: enigma style? ;) | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | dasher style | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:53 |
| jott | "oh no! i missed again" | 00:53 |
| n800n | that kicks ass | 00:53 |
| jott | yeah dasher could be funny | 00:54 |
| n800n | yeah no flip key on quiver | 00:54 |
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| n800n | u/d = l/r | 00:54 |
| jldiaz | fbreader... | 00:54 |
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| n800n | laters | 00:56 |
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| Saviq | jott: thanks a lot, you got my omweather working for the first time :D (I got my n800 just yesterday) | 01:12 |
| jldiaz | eh? how? | 01:13 |
| jldiaz | (sorry but scrolling back now is not an option) | 01:13 |
| jott | http://pastebin.ca/1011117 | 01:13 |
| jldiaz | thx! | 01:14 |
| pupnik | it'd be nice if linux had been designed from the ground up to allow save states of any program | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: hibernation ? | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:14 |
| jott | implementation detail?! :P | 01:15 |
| pupnik | yes per-app hibernation - save to disk. | 01:15 |
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| KotCzarny | i think that's doable | 01:15 |
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| pupnik | it seems to me you can't just do that with a kernel hack | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:15 |
| Saviq | Yeah I wonder when suspend/hibernation'll be available on the n8x0 | 01:15 |
| jott | there is cryopid :) | 01:16 |
| pupnik | your whole UI needs to support a 'restore'. your peripheral drivers perhaps too | 01:16 |
| pupnik | gtk/hildon etc | 01:16 |
| jldiaz | does maemo allow the gnome inputh method for unicode chars? (shft+ctrl+u) | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: there is minimization, that unmaps windows etc | 01:16 |
| jott | but i suppose its x86/amd64 only | 01:17 |
| pupnik | good point KotCzarny | 01:17 |
| pupnik | duno jldiaz | 01:17 |
| pupnik | yeah i looked at cryopid. | 01:17 |
| MangoFusion | its going to be available.... | 01:21 |
| MangoFusion | the day after.... | 01:21 |
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| MangoFusion | the release of.... | 01:21 |
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| MangoFusion | Duke Nukem Forever! | 01:21 |
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| MangoFusion | ;) | 01:21 |
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| pupnik | "John Carmack mentioned in his keynote at QuakeCon 2007 that the id Tech 5 engine will be OpenGL based, not requiring [microsoft] DirectX 10." Carmack is a god. | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | wasn't he fired by id? | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | or at least moved away from quake series | 01:25 |
| glass | id tech 5 engine could be used for whatever | 01:26 |
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| Jon | KotCzarny: carmack fired from id?!? he owns it! | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:37 |
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| NullM0dem | jobs was fired from apple, he owned it too | 01:40 |
| dougt | so, i am setting up a page loading test on the n810 so that I can gather automated performance data against the mozilla browser. | 01:41 |
| dougt | I would like to be able to run a httpd server on the device to minimize network traffic noise | 01:41 |
| dougt | any suggestions on a good httpd for n810. | 01:42 |
| dougt | i was hoping to use apache, but that doesn't seem to have been ported. | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | dougt: should compile i guess | 01:42 |
| dougt | it should. | 01:42 |
| dougt | yeah. | 01:42 |
| dougt | but... | 01:43 |
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| KotCzarny | i can try building it for you if you want | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:43 |
| dougt | i would rather not have to do that. | 01:43 |
| MangoFusion | lighttpd, nginx are two "lightweight" options | 01:43 |
| dougt | have you used either? | 01:43 |
| * KotCzarny uses thttpd | 01:44 | |
| dougt | i use lighttpd at home for a media server | 01:44 |
| MangoFusion | only the former. on a vps. | 01:44 |
| MangoFusion | pretty easy to compile though | 01:45 |
| lcdd | use file:// handler? :) | 01:47 |
| dougt | lcdd: yeah, but then we are not exercising the most common code path. | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | ththtlthp | 02:07 |
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| MajMin7 | anyone around? | 02:20 |
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| MajMin7 | does the N810 have a microphone? | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:20 |
| MajMin7 | oh nice | 02:20 |
| MajMin7 | there is an api to capture sound? | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | gstreamer? | 02:21 |
| MajMin7 | is that what that is? | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 02:21 |
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| dolske | dougt: run the JS HTTP server that we already use for Mochitests? | 02:21 |
| MajMin7 | what is gstreamer? | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | just google for it | 02:22 |
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| MajMin7 | did that | 02:22 |
| MajMin7 | is this part of the Maemo sdk? | 02:22 |
| MajMin7 | ahh | 02:23 |
| MajMin7 | there it is | 02:23 |
| dougt | dolske: that is an idea. | 02:26 |
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| dougt | i got Nginx working | 02:27 |
| dougt | now I am running into a problem where python2.5 is being "terminated" | 02:27 |
| dougt | i am guessing it has somethign to do with the shell being not-bash. | 02:27 |
| dolske | you'd have to ask Waldo how it compared in performance to a "real" http server, but for relative perf measurements/tests I'd expect it to be ok... | 02:27 |
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| dougt | i only care about relative page speed -- catching regressions, realizing perf gain. | 02:28 |
| dougt | keeping the server constant is the important factor. | 02:28 |
| dougt | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/425346 | 02:28 |
| dougt | that | 02:29 |
| dougt | "Terminate" is not from my python code. | 02:29 |
| t_s_o | ugh, just watched a video of opera mobile 4.5 on the htc advantage over at jkontherun.com. and if diablo do not bring some speed improvements to microb i would say nokia have seriously dropped the ball... | 02:34 |
| wnight | Does anyone have libreadline-ruby? irb is hard to use without it. | 02:35 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3893 | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | 'hot gadget' ? | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | i can understand 'hot' part, but 'gadget' ? | 02:39 |
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| Livingroom | oh em gee | 02:52 |
| Livingroom | i finally found you guys! | 02:52 |
| Livingroom | HAI! | 02:52 |
| flo_lap | hi Livingroom | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I prefer the bedroom. | 02:53 |
| Livingroom | lolz | 02:53 |
| Livingroom | so, i just got my n800 today | 02:53 |
| Livingroom | and i'm like rockin' out | 02:53 |
| Livingroom | it would be hard to overstate my satisfaction with this device. | 02:54 |
| Livingroom | especially now that i've got it tethered to my iphone. thats the epic win right there, baby. | 02:54 |
| Livingroom | i actually came here to ask: how do i install nano/pico/etc | 02:55 |
| Livingroom | many of the tools i'm used to on debian and ubuntu are not present :( | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | find/compile it yourself | 02:55 |
| Livingroom | that sounds like a job for... GCC! | 02:56 |
| * flo_lap -> bed, good night | 02:56 | |
| Livingroom | also, whoever created that motd, i love you. 50 sources FTW | 02:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, gronmayer.com/it | 02:57 |
| Livingroom | yep | 02:57 |
| Livingroom | i went there, it was epic awesome | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has all the repositories | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and is searchable | 02:57 |
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| Livingroom | wedge, it's wonderful :) | 02:58 |
| Livingroom | i look forward to many thousands of hours of tweaking my newest *nix box. | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | in particular, the nitapps.com repo should have nano | 02:58 |
| Livingroom | freakin' sweet | 03:01 |
| Livingroom | freakin sweet man | 03:01 |
| Livingroom | this is just so freakin sweet | 03:01 |
| Livingroom | you have no idea how euphoric i am right now over the incredible l33tness of this device | 03:01 |
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| Livingroom | are there any howtos on how to make applications run from "internal memory" to free up the 128m ? | 03:08 |
| Livingroom | the internal sd card i guess is what i mean | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | search for: clone to mmc (or sd) | 03:09 |
| Livingroom | kk | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | or just clone os | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 03:10 |
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| Livingroom | wow, that looks comlicated | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | if i think what this link is then it's for not-linux savvy people | 03:11 |
| Livingroom | yeah | 03:11 |
| Livingroom | it's for the nonsavvy | 03:11 |
| Livingroom | i'm faily savvy, but still looks like alot of steps where something might go wrong | 03:11 |
| Livingroom | s/faily/fairly | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ install/configure fanoush initfs | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ format card | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | 3/ copy files | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | done. | 03:12 |
| NullM0dem | Anyone know of a developer tutorial for creating widgets for maemo? | 03:12 |
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| Livingroom | are there any programs for the webcam, to like auto-upload, or maybe you can connect straight to the device and watch the cam stream live? | 03:18 |
| Livingroom | something other than the video chat :( | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | mencoder ? | 03:19 |
| Livingroom | mencoder? | 03:19 |
| Livingroom | that looks like for watching streams on the device, rather than from another device | 03:20 |
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| NullM0dem | mencoder encodes streams | 03:24 |
| NullM0dem | that reminds me i need to look that up :0 | 03:25 |
| Livingroom | kk | 03:25 |
| Livingroom | but, does the camera have a stream source though? | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | stream source? | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's presented as a v4l2 device | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | v4l1 if you find/recompile | 03:28 |
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| Livingroom | is it possible to useradd users? i did so, but it failed to set permissions or create a home directory :( | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a single user system | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Adding users is a recipe for things breaking. | 04:00 |
| benh | somebody knows if one can launch a control panel by script ? | 04:01 |
| benh | or maybe I should just do a wrapper app that loads the .so and pops the panel | 04:01 |
| benh | as I really don't want the whole CP app ... | 04:02 |
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| benh | hrm | 04:19 |
| benh | somebody knows how I can pop up a dialog in front of everybody from an app launched in a shell script ? | 04:20 |
| benh | ie, without creating a hildon window etc... | 04:20 |
| KotCzarny | try pygtk? | 04:20 |
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| benh | nah, I'm in C :-) | 04:21 |
| benh | if I just do a gtkdialog with NULL as a parent, things blow up at runtime | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | <benh> (...) shell script ? | 04:21 |
| benh | can i do a child of a root device ? | 04:21 |
| benh | nah, my app runs my control panel | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | decide if you are in c or in shell script | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:21 |
| benh | basically, I'm doing a control panel to configure the bluetooth PAN paired device | 04:21 |
| benh | I want the connect script to be able to fire up my control panel's dialog when trying to connect and it's never been configured before | 04:22 |
| benh | so I did a little C app that the script launches | 04:22 |
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| benh | that dlopen the CP and executes it | 04:22 |
| benh | but I'm a bit illiterate as far as gtk & hildon are concerned | 04:22 |
| benh | the CP expects to get the parent window as an argument, which is fine if you are running from a full blown app | 04:22 |
| benh | but here, I don't want a window... i want to pop up in front of everything | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | create invisible window? | 04:23 |
| benh | so maybe be a child of the root window if there is such a thing ? or create an invisible window and be child of it ? | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | desktop is a root window i think | 04:23 |
| benh | heh, that might work .. .though probably not a hildonwindow or I'll end up in the task list right ? | 04:23 |
| benh | right but how do I get to it programmatically ? | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | i usually rip code from other apps | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:24 |
| benh | heh, ok, now I need to find another app that does that :-) | 04:24 |
| benh | ie, popping dialogs from background processes/services that have no app window | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | statusbar applets? | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:24 |
| benh | yeah, maybe, good point | 04:25 |
| benh | tho they are sb applets so they might get passed the RW by the status bar app... I'll have a look | 04:25 |
| Livingroom | holy shit! | 04:25 |
| Livingroom | tsocks! | 04:25 |
| Livingroom | it looks awesome | 04:25 |
| benh | Livingroom: it is :-) especially coupled with ssh -D | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | yeah | 04:26 |
| benh | the best way to get out of any corporate jail provided you get ssh :-) | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | here's the thing | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | my iphone, right? ipfw was only just ported, it's really buggy, doesnt work right | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | but! tinyproxy works fine | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | so i can browse through my iphone's wifi out to the Edge connection | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | effectively, tsocks will make it so that all my other apps can use ths socks proxy, right? | 04:26 |
| Livingroom | or am i misunderstanding? | 04:28 |
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| benh | hrm.. it would help if I initialized gtk in the first place ! | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:34 |
| Livingroom | here's a hard one: why does rdesktop quit as soon as i press ok? | 04:35 |
| benh | ok, so creating a hildon program, a hildon window, and not making it visible seems to work | 04:35 |
| Livingroom | it never actually connects | 04:35 |
| benh | once I've inited grk | 04:35 |
| benh | gtk | 04:35 |
| benh | now let's try not doing the first 2 steps :-) | 04:35 |
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| benh | that works too :-) | 04:36 |
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| Livingroom | have ya'll ever used rdesktop? it doesnt want to work for me- quits when i press ok | 04:39 |
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| benh | allright, now I should probably display/store the BT device name rather than just the MAC address :-) | 04:41 |
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| benh | the later is a bit user unfriendly | 04:41 |
| benh | and hopefully Martin will do a new release with the patch | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | encoding mac in a pixmap can be fun | 04:42 |
| benh | now, I'll let others deal with the aspects of setting up the PAN gateway on the laptop, that's a different kind of nightmare :-) | 04:42 |
| Livingroom | what are you creating? | 04:43 |
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| lopz | re | 04:50 |
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| SDuensin | Hi lopz | 04:50 |
| lopz | :p | 04:51 |
| Livingroom | woot got rdesktop working | 04:51 |
| benh | Livingroom: improving the UI for maemo-pan | 04:54 |
| benh | now I need an icon for the control panel | 04:55 |
| benh | Livingroom: and learning a bit about gtk & maemo while at it :-) | 04:55 |
| benh | what is this icon format in the deb control file ? | 04:55 |
| benh | any way I can turn that back into a .png or such ? | 04:55 |
| Livingroom | i have absoloutely no idea :( | 04:56 |
| Livingroom | i assume maemo-pan is some sort of BT connectivity thingy? | 04:56 |
| benh | yes | 04:56 |
| benh | a cute hack to add support for BT PAN for networking | 04:56 |
| benh | (ie. ethernet over BT) | 04:57 |
| benh | very handy | 04:57 |
| benh | version 1.0 only really connects to PAN enabled phones | 04:57 |
| Livingroom | i c | 04:57 |
| benh | there's a patch on garage to add some basic support for selecting any device but you can do that only once, it sucks a bit | 04:57 |
| benh | and I've picked that up and added a control panel | 04:57 |
| Livingroom | anyone wanna ssh into my n800? :P | 04:58 |
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| Livingroom | ok so | 05:06 |
| Livingroom | how do i use mencoder to stream a v4l2 device? | 05:06 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, the Eee 900s are available in the US | 05:11 |
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| mikedep333 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220332 | 05:11 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220333 | 05:11 |
| Livingroom | why buy an eee though? underpowered, etc | 05:11 |
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| mikedep333 | I'd rather not get into the subnotebook vs internet tablet argument. They serve different purposes. | 05:12 |
| Livingroom | well, yes | 05:12 |
| Livingroom | but still, i'm not keen on the Eee's | 05:12 |
| mikedep333 | what I will say is that it beats its competitors | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | namely, this | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834280008 | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer ibm x32 | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | bigger screen | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | and I am overall happy with my HP tx1000z 12.1-inch tablet PC | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | 12" is nearly optimal | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | for travel | 05:14 |
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| mikedep333 | and I will be very happy with it once this comes out | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/hands-on-with-the-asus-xg-station-external-gpu | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | it will let me hook up an external graphics card via the expresscard|34 slot | 05:15 |
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| dick-richardson | DRM is crap | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, is this a new realization? :P | 05:52 |
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| dick-richardson | GeneralAntilles: no, merely a reiteration ;) | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Never forget!" | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | your reader is simply not approved | 05:55 |
| shapr | Remember DRM is all about treating the customer like a criminal. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | and you can be not approved too if you insist | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting for them to issue Best Buy cashiers truncheons | 05:56 |
| shapr | The best solution to DRM is ... | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | .txt | 05:56 |
| shapr | learn an instrument, make music with your friends... | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or just find yourself some indies. | 05:56 |
| dick-richardson | the solution is hackers :D | 05:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Vote with your wallet | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | give money to the people who don't use DRM | 05:57 |
| dick-richardson | although a more discerning taste in music will generally lead you to artists that are a little more cerebral and therefore release music drm-free | 05:57 |
| dick-richardson | exactly...I love amazon | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | or simply release it free | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | and only accept 'donations' | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:58 |
| dick-richardson | NIN style...ghosts i-iv is really good, but then I had been a music major and enjoy that esoteric style | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | but that's an option only for those already known | 05:59 |
| shapr | I spend my time on jamendo.com | 06:00 |
| shapr | Lots of high quality cc music there. | 06:00 |
| dick-richardson | creative commons, beautiful | 06:00 |
| shapr | dick-richardson: I like Stockhausen, I can handle esoteric! | 06:00 |
| dick-richardson | lol! yes. yes you can | 06:01 |
| dick-richardson | I still haven't matured enough that I can get through a Stockhausen composition w/o snickering | 06:02 |
| shapr | His more accessible stuff is just him playing one part at a time of an entire work. | 06:05 |
| shapr | It makes sense when you put all the pieces together. | 06:05 |
| shapr | Reminds me of the 'discover your own variation' sort of compositions mentioned in Godel Escher Bach. | 06:06 |
| shapr | dick-richardson: Also, it has nothing to do with maturity.. if you like it, that's all that matter. If you think it's stupid, dump it! | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | i just listen to what currently suits my mood | 06:08 |
| shapr | I've also noticed that music that's fun to play can be entirely different from music that's fun to hear. | 06:08 |
| dick-richardson | Trombone was my instrument...I can relate. Often the more physical the peice the more I enjoyed performing it | 06:08 |
| shapr | I started learning guitar recently (at the age of 36) but I've appreciated music for a long time. | 06:09 |
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| timely | Navi: how goes it? | 06:31 |
| Navi | Hi | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi fails hard. | 06:32 |
| unixSnob | someone mentioned NIN.. they are actually giving away their latest album right now, free | 06:33 |
| unixSnob | check out tuesdays deals at www.slickdeals.net if you want it | 06:34 |
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| dick-richardson | I don't like 'The Slip' as much as 'Ghosts I-IV' | 06:38 |
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| * unixSnob wonders if any maemo gps implementations have integrated with zillow | 06:40 | |
| timely | zillow? | 06:43 |
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| timely | Navi: so did you manage to get the script(s) to work? :) | 06:43 |
| Navi | Nah | 06:44 |
| timely | :( sorry | 06:44 |
| timely | i should try them again | 06:44 |
| Navi | Not completely sure how to use them | 06:44 |
| Navi | There are only three lines of instructions :P | 06:44 |
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| timely | i think that you basically run the do-all-pkgs.sh script on your device | 06:45 |
| timely | and then copy the result to a normal debian system | 06:45 |
| timely | and run the pl script | 06:45 |
| unixSnob | damn.. nin is really policing these downoads | 06:45 |
| Navi | Yeah, that's what I did | 06:46 |
| unixSnob | timely: Zillow is a public database of the housing market, open to the public | 06:46 |
| Navi | I modified do-all-pkgs.sh with the prefix of the rss metapackage, ran it | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: then use bittorrent? | 06:46 |
| timely | ok | 06:46 |
| Navi | copied the tar over to my sb | 06:46 |
| Navi | ran the perl script | 06:46 |
| timely | i suspect you need to extract the tarball | 06:47 |
| unixSnob | timely: the Dash GPS has been integrated with zillow, so as you drive past a house, you get the specs on last selling price, beds, baths, sq.ft. etc | 06:47 |
| timely | unless the perl script does that for you :) | 06:47 |
| * timely obviously has no memory of the scripts | 06:47 | |
| Navi | heh | 06:47 |
| Navi | I'll try it again after libjpeg finishes compiling | 06:48 |
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| unixSnob | I wonder if nin is testing watermarks on the public here.. each person gets a code to download | 06:50 |
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| Navi | timely, you're right | 06:52 |
| timely | seems like that'd be w/in there right | 06:52 |
| Navi | it needed to be untarred | 06:52 |
| unixSnob | KotCzarny: if my download fails I will switch to BT.. but I want to at least try to follow the rules here, since nin was generous enough to give their tunes away | 06:52 |
| Navi | packages were generated | 06:52 |
| timely | Navi: i suppose i should improve the script so it looks for the tarball and considers unpacking it | 06:53 |
| Navi | maybe | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: aren't they seeding too? | 06:53 |
| timely | the tar was just to make it a lot easier to get the "files" off the "device" | 06:53 |
| Livingroom | guys, is there no way to video conference with a pc? | 06:53 |
| Navi | timely, It's not hard to nearly automate the entire process either | 06:53 |
| Livingroom | the n800 doesnt seem to talk to any desktop client when it comes to video. | 06:53 |
| timely | Navi: yeah | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 06:53 |
| unixSnob | I have no idea.. but it seems they want some control over where the downloads go, because everyone has to enter a code to get the download | 06:54 |
| Navi | timely, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19872 <- Bundyo generated an Opera deb | 06:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Livingroom, Gizmo or aMSN | 06:55 |
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| timely | Navi: as i write repeatedly, you can't legally do that | 06:56 |
| timely | in fact, i suspect even nokia can't | 06:57 |
| Navi | timely, heh | 06:57 |
| Navi | timely, someone should intervene :P | 06:57 |
| timely | i think i'd rather not get involved | 06:58 |
| timely | i don't want to be seen as a bad guy | 06:58 |
| Navi | Oh, well then I'll do it | 06:58 |
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| timely | fwiw, i think there's actually a comment from the HE people explaining that they can't | 06:59 |
| Navi | Hm? | 06:59 |
| timely | hrm | 07:00 |
| timely | the wiki page doesn't say that | 07:00 |
| timely | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007hackereditionarchives/ | 07:00 |
| timely | the archive page does | 07:00 |
| benh | hrm... selecting Bluetooth PAN twice hard reboots the tablet | 07:01 |
| timely | http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=26 | 07:01 |
| timely | that page mentions it fairly clearly | 07:01 |
| timely | i'm not going to quote... but it's there | 07:01 |
| Livingroom | next question, where can i find an onboard encoder for the v4l2 device? | 07:01 |
| timely | basically Opera is a company, and they sell licenses to products | 07:02 |
| timely | they also pay lawyers to write decent/reasonable licenses | 07:02 |
| timely | a customer (that's not an end user), decides to pay Opera to use their product in a certain product on a certain device. This involves a licensing fee for that product/device pair most likely per unit. | 07:03 |
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| timely | A new OS, or a new device would need a new license and a new fee (most likely per unit) and that doesn't count lawyer costs :) | 07:03 |
| timely | and seriously, this is how Opera's business works. no one should blame Opera for this | 07:04 |
| Navi | Nah, I understand. | 07:04 |
| timely | the developers at Opera have a right to try to earn enough money to buy pizza so they can feed their family | 07:04 |
| timely | and hopefully something other than pizza... | 07:04 |
| Navi | Hehe | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | great reason to drop the product and move to free one? | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:04 |
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| timely | KotCzarny: I was hired to work on microb | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | but microb itself doesn't impose limits on what it can be installed? | 07:05 |
| timely | and no, I think you'll find it's not quite as great of a reason as you think | 07:05 |
| Navi | What was the reason? | 07:05 |
| timely | microb? no | 07:05 |
| timely | but the license for the flash images does :) | 07:05 |
| timely | you can of course build microb yourself w/o licensing issue :) | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | so one can make downloadable .deb ? | 07:06 |
| timely | yes | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:06 |
| timely | in fact, the browser team has at times | 07:06 |
| timely | although anyone else could | 07:06 |
| timely | hrm | 07:06 |
| timely | be careful, i have no idea if microb has any (tm) or similar bits | 07:06 |
| timely | note that "Firefox" does have such guards | 07:06 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:06 |
| timely | not just anyone can make a "Firefox" unless it's 100% pure | 07:07 |
| Navi | You just can't brand it Firefox | 07:07 |
| timely | similarly, I can't go off and make an "Ubuntu" or a "Red Hat" | 07:07 |
| timely | Navi: oh, I can make a Minefield | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | firefox imposes limiting on distributing 'official branded' packages compiled by not mozilla itself | 07:07 |
| Navi | Indeed yo ucan | 07:07 |
| timely | or an Ice Ape, or ... | 07:07 |
| timely | KotCzarny: right | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | but if you don't name it firefox etc. you can do what you want | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:07 |
| Navi | Ice Weasel, etc etc | 07:07 |
| timely | well, not precisely | 07:07 |
| timely | if you don't include the branding and don't call it Firefox, you can do what you like | 07:08 |
| timely | the brand is two parts, a name and the corresponding art | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that's what i meant | 07:08 |
| timely | take both, or leave both | 07:08 |
| timely | note: i was intimately involved in that | 07:08 |
| pupnik | got pics? | 07:08 |
| Navi | Were you? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | leaving out --official-branding or something | 07:08 |
| timely | a large portion of it is my fault | 07:08 |
| timely | Navi: yeah | 07:08 |
| timely | remember, i'm a mozilla developer first and foremost | 07:09 |
| timely | i just happen to work for nokia today | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
| Navi | I actually didn't know that | 07:09 |
| timely | note that the original blame lies w/ the debian distros for doing things that are totally evil | 07:09 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles never got around to telling me | 07:09 |
| timely | but let's not go there | 07:09 |
| timely | ironically, what we're doing at nokia is worse | 07:09 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:10 |
| timely | we have many more bad patches than the debian distros had | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 07:10 |
| timely | sometimes I hate my life :) | 07:10 |
| timely | but we did one very important thing! | 07:10 |
| timely | we didn't call our product Firefox! | 07:10 |
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| timely | nor do we use their art :) | 07:10 |
| Navi | Mmhm | 07:10 |
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| KotCzarny | debfox ? | 07:10 |
| timely | so at least i can sleep at night :) | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | firedeb ? | 07:10 |
| Navi | NotSoFoxy | 07:10 |
| dick-richardson | fireian | 07:10 |
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| rm_you | iceweasel? :P | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | nokfox ? | 07:11 |
| Navi | rm_you, that's a stupid name | 07:11 |
| timely | microb, silly people | 07:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:11 |
| Navi | Who the hell uses that? | 07:11 |
| Navi | Ugh | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:11 |
| * rm_you gives two cheers for #debian-legal | 07:11 | |
| timely | KotCzarny: fwiw the protections petty much prevent the variations you've mentioned | 07:11 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | anyway | 07:11 |
| timely | and i suspect that the *deb* variants are actually forbidden by the debian side too :) | 07:11 |
| timely | actually, for more interesting stories about this, see *Zilla | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | i have no problem in using unbranded software as long it's 100% the same (excluding branding parts) | 07:12 |
| timely | most variants are owned by the Godzilla people | 07:12 |
| Navi | Debian variants have guidelines they need to follow | 07:12 |
| timely | and they generally try fairly hard to police it | 07:12 |
| timely | KotCzarny: debian packages IME are never 100% the same | 07:13 |
| Navi | Ubuntu broke 'em for a span when it first came out, I think. | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | who the fsck is mo? (as in mozilla? ;) | 07:13 |
| timely | it's a question of how divergent they are | 07:13 |
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| timely | some patches are just integration, but i've seen more very evil patches than any dev should ever see in his (or her) life | 07:13 |
| Navi | timely, I sent a PM to him | 07:14 |
| timely | anyway... let's not go there | 07:14 |
| timely | Navi: appreciated | 07:14 |
| Navi | No problem | 07:14 |
| timely | fwiw, lawyers really aren't bad people. they have a job to do | 07:15 |
| timely | and they try their best | 07:15 |
| timely | now law makers. that's a different story :) | 07:15 |
| Navi | I've played enough Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney to know that | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | and for navi, for playing too much stupid games.. boot to the head! | 07:16 |
| Navi | Oi! | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | *many | 07:16 |
| Navi | Phoenix Wright is a great game. | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | game is a game | 07:16 |
| Navi | Did you miss the joke? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | because i have never played it | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:17 |
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| timely | > In the sequels to the Phoenix Wright story of the Ace Attorney series, Manfred's daughter, Franziska; another prosecuting prodigy who became a prosecutor at the age of 13. | 07:19 |
| timely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Wright:_Ace_Attorney | 07:19 |
| timely | Navi: can you fix that sentence? | 07:19 |
| timely | it's missing... some essential elements of a sentence | 07:20 |
| timely | not having played the game, i have no idea how to fix it | 07:20 |
| Navi | In the Heh | 07:21 |
| Navi | Fix the Wikipedia article? | 07:21 |
| timely | yeah | 07:21 |
| timely | just that one sentence | 07:21 |
| timely | don't spend your life there :) | 07:22 |
| Navi | Makin' me do stuff that I never do :P | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/PhoenixBoot.html | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:22 |
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| n800n | i think my flash plugin b0rke | 07:23 |
| n800n | d | 07:23 |
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| KotCzarny | you can find flv version too | 07:23 |
| timely | n800n: click the magnifying glass in the urlbar | 07:23 |
| timely | click components/plugins | 07:23 |
| timely | is flash enabled? | 07:23 |
| Navi | That sentence doesn't even really belong there | 07:23 |
| n800n | oh | 07:24 |
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| n800n | hahimanidiot. | 07:24 |
| Navi | Perhaps | 07:24 |
| lopz | night | 07:25 |
| Navi | night | 07:25 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.neatorama.com/2007/08/19/man-killed-and-eaten-by-own-creepy-pets/ | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 07:43 |
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| Livingroom | guys, my built in e-mail app never downloads the messages; headers only. why is this? | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | god is watching | 07:48 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: looks like a hoax | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | doc: any links? | 07:48 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: read the comments | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, thesun | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, he's such a creepy voyeur. | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | doc: still, i believe there are similiar stories in the world that could be real | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | knowing people's stupidity | 07:50 |
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| Livingroom | YARRRRR | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | why doesnt my email program work. i hate it! | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because osso-email is shit? | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | modest.garage.maemo.org | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | yeah | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | it is | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | apt-getting clawmail now | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | is there a way i can change the default menus | 07:57 |
| Livingroom | because all my apps are precategorized | 07:57 |
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| Livingroom | i want to move stuff around | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you can | 07:58 |
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| KotCzarny | it's in the control panel | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | in panels->organize | 07:58 |
| Navi | timely, still around? | 07:58 |
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| pupnik | i got ta showah! | 08:09 |
| Navi | woo | 08:09 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/05/canola-portable-media-player-user-interface-done-right.php | 08:09 |
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| Navi | It's funny when people say things like that | 08:09 |
| Navi | 'cuz honestly, I'd just hate using a UI like Canola's all the time for everything (No offense to the Canola devs) | 08:10 |
| Cptnodegard | foe everything yes, but not for media players | 08:10 |
| Navi | I like my media player interfaces simple and clean | 08:11 |
| Navi | I just fire up Canola once in a while to show off | 08:11 |
| Cptnodegard | i use it because of the feature. internet radio, photocast, podcasts, last.fm | 08:12 |
| Cptnodegard | though i didnt use half those features before i started testing them for the article xD | 08:12 |
| Navi | The one thing I love about Canola is the image viewer | 08:12 |
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| Navi | Not so much the whole library thing, but the responsiveness | 08:13 |
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| Navi | I didn't know you were a writer for anythingbutipod | 08:13 |
| Cptnodegard | i hide it well :p | 08:14 |
| Navi | aapparently | 08:14 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: ever check out that dubstep.fm ? | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 08:16 |
| pupnik | maybe not right now | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | do they require logging on? | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | will it work with mpg123 ? | 08:16 |
| pupnik | but there have been great mixes... cleaned out my brain | 08:16 |
| pupnik | i used mplayer http://72.36.193.82:8080 for 192kb/s | 08:16 |
| pupnik | but right now is not my favorite mix | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | Scarpomancy: Predict someone's future by studying their old shoes. | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:18 |
| pupnik | but for me it's very fresh, creative stuff, not tired and old | 08:18 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone know how to get a phone's bt mac address, for gnokii? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | i liked cryosleep for some time | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | cpt: hcitool ? | 08:20 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | or just look under the cover | 08:20 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm? | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | it's printed there afair | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:20 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, phone's | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, enable bt on the phone and run bt scan | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://207.200.96.225:8022/ | 08:21 |
| Cptnodegard | the phone is lready paired with the n800... anywhere it says then? | 08:22 |
| KotCzarny | cpt: yes i think, don't remember the magic command though | 08:22 |
| Cptnodegard | nvm found it | 08:22 |
| pupnik | what is this stream called KotCzarny ? sounds like Eno | 08:22 |
| Cptnodegard | under "phone" in control panel xD | 08:22 |
| KotCzarny | just enter it to firefox | 08:22 |
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| pupnik | i hear a big room | 08:23 |
| pupnik | mm it's nice thou | 08:23 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, but i stopped listening to it after a week | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | limited supply of tracks | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | from their site: Cryosleep - Zero Beat Guaranteed. | 08:24 |
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| pupnik | it's nicely done | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:26 |
| pupnik | my favorite serious ambient in the 90s was David Sylvian - Plight and Premonition, and Mimir - Mimiryiad | 08:26 |
| pupnik | lights, and architecture, and spaces | 08:27 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomscribbler/1119246952/ | 08:29 |
| pupnik | i sat on a park bench a few hours ago | 08:30 |
| pupnik | and i can still smell the perfume from the girl who sat there before me | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | i treat it like invading into my living space | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | (parfumes) | 08:31 |
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| KotCzarny | *perfumes | 08:31 |
| pupnik | yes. true. in this case, i like it and it gave a strange note to the evening | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | lake and a sunset? | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:32 |
| pupnik | like a ghost, or an encounter i didn't have | 08:32 |
| pupnik | reminds me of coming home after making out with a girl in high school | 08:32 |
| pupnik | not enough parameters given | 08:33 |
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| KotCzarny | A University of Newcastle study found that women naturally opted for redder shades when given a choice. | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | Writing in the journal Current Biology, experts say it may have helped women gather ripe fruit, or pick healthy mates. | 08:34 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone here succesfully used phonelink? | 08:35 |
| Navi | Doesn't support my phone | 08:36 |
| Cptnodegard | it only supports the one in the dropdown list? | 08:36 |
| Navi | Don't remember | 08:36 |
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| Cptnodegard | if so it only seem to support nokia | 08:36 |
| Navi | Last I checked, gnokii didn't support s60v3 | 08:36 |
| Cptnodegard | i got a sony ericsson but i dont know what to select in the "phone model" list | 08:37 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.pixel-heroes.de/bossgallery.html | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| pupnik | you read german? | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | nope, but those are self explainable (proper word?) | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | i had german in high-school though | 08:48 |
| pupnik | lots of work | 08:48 |
| pupnik | there's something beautiful about a world where society has the left-over resources to make games | 08:49 |
| doc|home | self-explanatory | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | doc: that's the word, thx | 08:49 |
| doc|home | no prob | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | my mind goes senile sometimes | 08:49 |
| doc|home | I've had months of that :( | 08:49 |
| pupnik | it's all thanks to the division of labor doc|home | 08:50 |
| doc|home | eh? :) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: without games your mind would be crashed i think | 08:50 |
| doc|home | I'm putting it down to lack of sleep and no real people to talk to :) | 08:50 |
| pupnik | without which we'd be scruffing to hunt or grow our food, each of us | 08:50 |
| doc|home | and that I have to spend all day thinking things through (programming) | 08:50 |
| pupnik | and our womenfolk would be knitting clothes out of grasses and wool | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | we learn to play as kids | 08:50 |
| doc|home | man. I'd be happy to *have* one of womenfolk :/ | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | and it's hard to give up | 08:51 |
| pupnik | do primitive societies have the ability to create works in which thousands of man-hours are spent making a game? | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 08:52 |
| pupnik | no. that's the miracle of money, capital and division of labor | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | but not many will play it | 08:52 |
| pupnik | no they can't. it's not just technology. it's the aggregation of human knowledge created by specilalization | 08:52 |
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| Prez00_ | hello | 08:53 |
| Livingroom | guys: if i apt-get remove osso-email-engine and all it's dependants, will i screw anything up? | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | ..groom: you can always reflash | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| Livingroom | i guess so | 08:54 |
| Prez00_ | hey, is there any way to change the priority on telepathy on os2008? | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | prez: renice 10 `pidof telepathy` ? | 08:55 |
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| Prez00_ | KotCzarny: sorry, i meant a jabber priority change | 08:55 |
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| Prez00_ | I usually have several jabber clients going, and the client on os2008 has priority 0, and if I have my laptop on, i want the messages to go to my laptop | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | i know nothing about jabber, sorry :) | 08:57 |
| Livingroom | prez00, have you found a jabber client that will work with video from the nit? i cant find a desktop client that i can talk to with video :( | 08:58 |
| Prez00_ | Livingroom: nope, haven't really looked.. | 08:58 |
| Prez00_ | Livingroom: I use PSI as my desktop client | 08:58 |
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| Livingroom | i c | 09:00 |
| Livingroom | i was incredibly bummed out when gtalk didnt support it :( | 09:00 |
| pupnik | anybody can possibly help a friennd of mine with an rss feed problem? | 09:02 |
| pupnik | i give a present - cd or game or something | 09:02 |
| * KotCzarny knows nothing about rss, unfortunatelly | 09:03 | |
| Livingroom | i know a little | 09:03 |
| Livingroom | what is the problem? | 09:03 |
| Livingroom | also: how do i make the screen rotate on the n800? is it with an addon or is it built in? | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | ..groom: sse2.net/rotate | 09:04 |
| Livingroom | aaah geez, modified kernel. | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | ..groom: so? it's reflashable, if you don't like it | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | yeah, but still | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | that all takes time :( | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | the whole point of nokia's tablet is to be open/hackable | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | yeah | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | and thats why i have it | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | i just kinda... | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | dont want to take the time i guess | 09:06 |
| Livingroom | afraid i'll brick something | 09:07 |
| Livingroom | i guess it has a DFU mode, though? | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | it's a 5 minutes of work | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | seriously | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | you can reflash even if you break initfs/kernel | 09:07 |
| Livingroom | well, i remember back to my days of using debian on 486-DX2/66 machines, where a new kernel meant an all-night batch compile... and if you woke up and there were errors, it was god @#*$&# time. | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | now it's 10-20 minutes | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | for a kernel compile | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | lolz | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | is there a version of gcc for onboard compiling? | 09:08 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | oh snap | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | there is | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | i just apt-getted it ROFFLES | 09:08 |
| Livingroom | how about an ncurses module selector for kernel recompiling? :) | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | but to actually make it useful you should clone os to sd card | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | more space | 09:09 |
| Livingroom | yeah | 09:09 |
| Livingroom | i need to do that | 09:09 |
| Livingroom | would it be better to clone to a 2g card or a 4g card? | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | or at least make a ext2/3 partition | 09:09 |
| Livingroom | i'll pick up a 4g sd tomorrow if it's better | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | whatever, but make a small vfat partition for compatibility | 09:10 |
| Livingroom | i'm lost :( | 09:10 |
| Livingroom | i'll just follow the instructions | 09:10 |
| Livingroom | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 09:10 |
| Livingroom | those instructions | 09:10 |
| Livingroom | does cloning to sd affect boot times? | 09:11 |
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| KotCzarny | does it matter? | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | you boot once | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | usually | 09:12 |
| Livingroom | well, i carry mine with me | 09:12 |
| Livingroom | and i havent yet figured out how to suspend the device, only power it off | 09:12 |
| * qwerty12 adds reflash number 40 to my list :? | 09:12 | |
| KotCzarny | you don't | 09:12 |
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| KotCzarny | with wifi off and no cpu waking apps you can idle it ~8-10days | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | without turning off | 09:13 |
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| Livingroom | dude, seriously? | 09:13 |
| Livingroom | so this screen-off blue flashing led mode is idle? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | that's probably new mail | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:13 |
| Cptn-N800 | You got mai; | 09:13 |
| Cptn-N800 | L | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | well | 09:14 |
| doc|home | or your n800's about to explode | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | if i let it sit, it goes black and the dpad starts flashing blue | 09:14 |
| doc|home | can be confusing at times | 09:14 |
| doc|home | I often think, oh look, a new mail, then *bang* | 09:14 |
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| KotCzarny | that's called mail bomb | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | rofl | 09:14 |
| doc|home | plastic splinters in my face, off to the doctor *again*. Medical bills | 09:14 |
| doc|home | messy all round | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | rofl | 09:14 |
| Livingroom | what upsets me the most is that when i turn BT off, the bt icon disappears from the utility bar and i have to hunt it down in control panel to turn it back on. | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | Grab switchonbt | 09:15 |
| qwerty12 | It adds a menu option to your application menu | 09:15 |
| Livingroom | sweet | 09:16 |
| Livingroom | will do | 09:16 |
| Livingroom | also: this tsocks, is it totally passive, or is there configuration or something | 09:17 |
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| Livingroom | also: idle mode, is that were i basically dont touch it? | 09:20 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 09:20 |
| Livingroom | does it just do it's thing automatically, or do i have to tell it to do something | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | and no offensive apps running | 09:20 |
| Livingroom | hmm | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | full usage 3-4h, idle with wifi on (idling) 1-3d, idle with wifi off 5-9d | 09:21 |
| Livingroom | 1-3d is still pretty darn good | 09:22 |
| Livingroom | how is it so fuel efficient? | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | arm | 09:23 |
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| Livingroom | it's a TI omap though | 09:23 |
| Livingroom | i thought xscale was all groovy and whatever | 09:23 |
| Livingroom | i guess omap is... SUPERIOR! | 09:23 |
| Livingroom | pardon me a sec, i'm going to retether my iphone to this magnificent piece of electronic engineering and test some TSOCKS support | 09:24 |
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| Livingroom | damnit | 09:36 |
| Livingroom | it's telling me that 192.168.1.2 is not on the same subnet as 192.168.1.12 | 09:36 |
| Livingroom | what the heck. | 09:36 |
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| trickie_ | whats your netmask? 24? | 09:41 |
| Livingroom | it's 255.255.255.0 | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | DoD should make all netmasks illegal | 09:42 |
| qwerty12 | or shoot dem down | 09:42 |
| Livingroom | i dont understand netmask, i always just make it 255.255.255.0 | 09:42 |
| hugolp | Livingroom: 255.255.255.0 is the same as 24 | 09:43 |
| trickie_ | yes a 24bit netmask is usual for a local subnet | 09:44 |
| trickie_ | so most of the time thats all you need | 09:44 |
| Livingroom | i c | 09:44 |
| Livingroom | grr, this is driving me nuts | 09:44 |
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| Livingroom | tsocks says socks server 192.168.1.2 is not on a local subnet | 09:44 |
| Livingroom | but the browser on both a laptop and the n800 is proxy'ing fine | 09:45 |
| Livingroom | and i can ping the ip, too | 09:45 |
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| trickie_ | Livingroom: i never used tsocks but http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=1644860 | 09:48 |
| trickie_ | he the guy says that 'local' doesn't mean a 'local network' | 09:48 |
| trickie_ | whatever that is supposed to mean | 09:49 |
| Livingroom | sweet, checking that out now | 09:49 |
| Livingroom | wow | 09:50 |
| Livingroom | my head is torqued | 09:50 |
| Livingroom | i have no idea what he is talking about :( | 09:50 |
| Livingroom | local subnet statement... hmmm | 09:50 |
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| trickie_ | :) | 09:53 |
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| Livingroom | nite all | 10:26 |
| Livingroom | oh btw i figured it out | 10:27 |
| Livingroom | was bad info in the .conf | 10:27 |
| Livingroom | anyway, nite all | 10:27 |
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| KotCzarny | night ppl | 10:32 |
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| jldiaz | hi | 11:05 |
| jldiaz | I've just installed scummvm and tried "Zak McKracken" (one of my favourites) | 11:05 |
| jldiaz | There is no sound. Is it normal? | 11:06 |
| glass | hmm | 11:06 |
| glass | there should be? | 11:06 |
| glass | iirc | 11:06 |
| jldiaz | as far as I remember, there was music during the intro, and some sound effects during the gameplay | 11:07 |
| jldiaz | (step noises, for example) | 11:07 |
| jldiaz | what I mean is, does work the sound for scummvm under maemo? | 11:07 |
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| jldiaz | oh, wait | 11:08 |
| jldiaz | the game did a "click" noise when I turned on a lamp and opened a drawer | 11:09 |
| jldiaz | so there is sound after all. Forgive me | 11:09 |
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| jldiaz | it's the music what doesn't work. Probably a missing soundfont, or midi player... | 11:10 |
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| tigert | hola | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | Hi tigert. | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | What are you up to nowadays? | 11:14 |
| tigert | hi niels | 11:14 |
| tigert | graphics soon again hopefully :) | 11:15 |
| tigert | my battery on the n810 is running a bit low | 11:15 |
| tigert | so if i become silent thats the reason :) | 11:15 |
| tigert | in a meeting now | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Heh :) | 11:15 |
| tigert | =) | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Is the meeting that interesting? :) | 11:16 |
| tigert | yes :) | 11:16 |
| tigert | meetings have their ups and downs | 11:16 |
| tigert | long ones especially :) | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | So no cool graphics stuff lately? | 11:17 |
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| tigert | not in immediate past, but i want to get back on that stuff again | 11:18 |
| tigert | thats what i know best anyway | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Do you guys keep an eye on this guy's work? http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/chapter-iv-ready-to-surf/ | 11:19 |
| tigert | will look, battery is starting to get annoyed :) | 11:20 |
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| X-Fade | Steal an other one ;) | 11:21 |
| tigert | already did :) | 11:22 |
| tigert | man | 11:22 |
| tigert | that connectivity suggestion makes things very complex looking | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it has pros and cons. Quick access presets, but more icons. | 11:23 |
| tigert | yea | 11:23 |
| tigert | very often its a case like this | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | You should read his other posts too. He has some cool ideas. | 11:24 |
| tigert | in many cases we have made a compromise between common scenarios and simplicity | 11:24 |
| tigert | i mean | 11:24 |
| tigert | the special cases usually add most of complexity | 11:25 |
| tigert | like we assume you have one phone to connect with | 11:25 |
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| tigert | etc | 11:25 |
| tigert | but thanks for the pointer | 11:25 |
| tigert | will look | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Yep, I know it is hard. And almost always a compromise. | 11:25 |
| tigert | yeah | 11:25 |
| tigert | the "always online" idea should take care of his problem in many cases | 11:26 |
| tigert | in this example | 11:26 |
| tigert | but he uses offline mode | 11:26 |
| tigert | so it wont work :) | 11:26 |
| tigert | maybe to conserve battery | 11:26 |
| tigert | but the thing connects to known wlans automatically anyway | 11:27 |
| tigert | but ye | 11:27 |
| tigert | interesting stuff | 11:27 |
| zchydem_work2 | hi guys, are there any ubuntu 8.04 related issues that should know if trying to install maemo sdk+? I'm getting the error: "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs". Any ideas? | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, his icons ideas are fun too: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/chapter-ii-the-tray-strikes-back/#more-4 | 11:27 |
| karbas | zchydem_work2, http://suppressingfire.livejournal.com/35277.html this is one | 11:28 |
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| zchydem_work2 | karbas: thanks | 11:28 |
| tigert | X-Fade: yeah | 11:29 |
| tigert | X-Fade: the friggen tray | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | tigert: NEED_MORE_SPACE! | 11:29 |
| tigert | X-Fade: why do people want to see everything all the time? :) | 11:29 |
| tigert | the screen is tiny anyway | 11:29 |
| tigert | just make noise if needed | 11:29 |
| tigert | and show nothing :) | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | I think wifi and bt can be one, and sound and brightness too. | 11:30 |
| X-Fade | Should clean it up nicely.. | 11:30 |
| tigert | yea | 11:30 |
| zchydem_work2 | karbas: seems that I have already done that fixes different problem | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | I use the cpu monitor to see what the device is doing. If there is always feedback about what the device is doing, this should not be needed ;) | 11:34 |
| tigert | yeah | 11:34 |
| tigert | and the cpu monitor uses cpu too :) | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | Yes it does, but having an unresponsive browser for 10 seconds and not nowing what is going on is worse ;) | 11:35 |
| tigert | my device has been working pretty awesomely with the latest release | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | Mine constantly reboots on larger websites. | 11:35 |
| karbas | zchydem_work2, ok | 11:36 |
| tigert | X-Fade: does it make you more happy to see ffox iks hanging again? | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | Something is not ok, but I can't pinpoint what.. | 11:36 |
| tigert | when you know it anyway :) | 11:36 |
| tigert | do you use swap? | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Then I at least know that a reboot is coming in 10 seconds :) | 11:36 |
| tigert | i had one reboot on flickr today | 11:36 |
| tigert | but its been a LONG time since this crashed before that | 11:37 |
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| X-Fade | I think it is ajax related. Javascript easily consumes a lot of resources. | 11:37 |
| tigert | yes | 11:38 |
| tigert | it does | 11:38 |
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| X-Fade | That is one of the downsides of the current browser. But it seems better in minefield, so it will come eventually. | 11:38 |
| tigert | i am actually surprised how well facebook and flickr and gmail work on the device | 11:42 |
| tigert | they are darn heavy on desktop too | 11:42 |
| X-Fade | Yep, that is true. | 11:43 |
| tigert | sure things are slow | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | But that is because your firefox on the desktop is slow at javascript too ;) | 11:43 |
| tigert | but its way better than anything else i have seen on a handheld | 11:43 |
| tigert | yeah | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | Unless you run the latest betas. | 11:43 |
| tigert | yea, i run ff3 beta5 i think, on myy laptop | 11:44 |
| tigert | the autobookmarks rock | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | I'm starting to like the awesomebar more. | 11:45 |
| tigert | wazzat? | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | But there are so many websites with 'Untitled page 1', that it is sometimes frustrating. | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | You can type in the location bar and it looks up by url and title in your history. | 11:46 |
| tigert | yeah | 11:46 |
| tigert | and that is exactly what makes the bookmarks thing rock | 11:47 |
| tigert | just star everything and it finds them always by typing a bit | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | Fennec has it working on the device, that part of fennec works well. | 11:47 |
| tigert | cool | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | But it has sub-optimal rendering because of the kinetic scrolling, so it is a slideshot on larger pages. | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | *slideshow. | 11:48 |
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| tigert | yah | 12:11 |
| jldiaz | hi | 12:12 |
| jldiaz | anyone used rlfe ("cook" input lines for other programs using readline) in the tablet? | 12:12 |
| jldiaz | I noticed that it is available as maemo package and installed it | 12:13 |
| jldiaz | I was hoping to have readline support in ash | 12:13 |
| jldiaz | however it doesn't work. I always get the error: ptypair: could not open master pty: No such file or directory | 12:13 |
| jldiaz | Related perhaps to the inexistence of /dev/pty under maemo? | 12:14 |
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| lardman | What's the difference in battery life between auto connect and no connection, assuming the only thing auto connecting is the RSS reader for example? | 12:43 |
| lardman | Does the RSS reader actually ask to connect or just receive a connected signal and then update? | 12:43 |
| Cptnodegard | you can set it to autoupdate on specific time intervals, if youre not connected it simply wont update | 12:43 |
| lardman | ah, so you can set a time interval | 12:44 |
| gomiam | lardman: I _think_ the RSS reader will try to connect and the system (if configured to auto-connect) will try to set the connection up. | 12:44 |
| lardman | if a connection occurs before the time interval, does it reset its timer? | 12:44 |
| Cptnodegard | think so lardman¨ | 12:45 |
| lardman | I can always look at the source of course | 12:45 |
| lardman | I was just thinking to myself that it would be nice if I could set a connect time, say once per hour (and disconnect time too) | 12:45 |
| lardman | once per hour during the day, then no auto connections over night (when they aren't needed), etc. | 12:46 |
| Cptnodegard | in "update settings" you can check if its supposed to update automatically or not, set time interval,and set if its only going to update when connected to wlan or all connections | 12:46 |
| tigert | isnt the autoconnect that it tries to keep the device online all the time? | 12:46 |
| tigert | if there is a known wlan around? | 12:46 |
| tigert | in connectivity settings | 12:46 |
| lardman | that's what I thought; once connected it stays that way | 12:46 |
| lardman | but how bad is that for the battery? | 12:47 |
| lardman | s/battery/battery life | 12:47 |
| tigert | well, of course it drains some no doubt | 12:47 |
| tigert | try? | 12:47 |
| lardman | of course :) | 12:47 |
| tigert | I charge mine every night anyway | 12:47 |
| Cptnodegard | depends.. you might keep it offline if you cant access a charger in several days | 12:47 |
| tigert | it outlasts my phone which is the primary net connection for it | 12:47 |
| tigert | but yeah | 12:47 |
| tigert | if you need to keep it running for a long time then offline mode might be good? | 12:48 |
| lardman | I have no need of contant online-ness as I don't tend to use IM on it, but would be good to update the news feed every so often, but then turn off again rather than wasting power, etc. | 12:48 |
| Cptnodegard | connecting/disconnecting uses more power than jst staying on i think | 12:49 |
| lardman | sounds like it would need testing; though connecting for 1min every hour surely must use less power than staying online all the time | 12:49 |
| Cptnodegard | why do you need to be so very power efficient anyways? | 12:50 |
| lardman | no reason, just like efficiency | 12:50 |
| Veggen | lardman: well. When I'm at home, my n810 is mostly connected to the charger when I don't use it. | 12:52 |
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| Veggen | (eh, Cptnodegard I meant) | 12:52 |
| Veggen | not so when my n810 is in a pocket, a wireless zone, or elsewhere. | 12:52 |
| lardman | I suppose I could set it to auto-connect with a short idle timeout (iirc that works), and set something (such as RSS reader) to connect every hour | 12:54 |
| lardman | for me though, it would be better to have the connection timing on the connection manager rather than individual apps (as these ought to use the connection if it comes up even if they didn't ask for it?) | 12:55 |
| Cptnodegard | i just leave it to do whatever the fuck it wants :) in other words its always online if theres a known wifi signal in range. i just charge it every day and if i go anywhere ofr long i can just bring an external batteyr | 12:55 |
| lardman | in the connection manager that should read | 12:55 |
| lardman | lol | 12:55 |
| inz | Grr, got a new laptop, but don't have an installation media ready -- takes 5 hours to download a dvd image | 12:55 |
| johnx | dvd image?! what are you installing? | 12:56 |
| Cptnodegard | inz: its calling "planning ahead" :) | 12:56 |
| inz | Cptnodegard, yeah, my old laptop just was a little low on free disk space | 12:56 |
| Cptnodegard | delete some porn :3 | 12:57 |
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| lardman | lol http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/chapter-ii-the-tray-strikes-back/ "There have been bug reports, angry posts, even incantations to Satan ever since that stupidity first surfaced and yet, even in ITOS2008 it hasn’t been fixed." | 12:59 |
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| hrw | lardman: first time you saw that? | 13:06 |
| lardman | yep :) | 13:06 |
| lardman | you well hrw? | 13:06 |
| hrw | lardman: no - I've read it some time ago | 13:06 |
| lardman | ah, sorry my poor English, are you well? | 13:07 |
| hrw | I am well | 13:07 |
| hrw | fine etc | 13:07 |
| lardman | yep, good | 13:07 |
| lardman | Am I right in thinking that Nokia's interface spec is now more plastic? | 13:08 |
| tigert | "plastic"? | 13:08 |
| lardman | modifiable is perhaps a better word | 13:08 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: tigert should be able to tell you all about that :) | 13:08 |
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| hrw | lardman: and also closed | 13:08 |
| lardman | Nokia are willing to make changes where before the answer was "no it's that way as it's in the spec" | 13:08 |
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| lardman | ~lart Outlook for not giving me any incoming email for the past 18h | 13:11 |
| * infobot teaches Outlook for not giving me any incoming email that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for the past 18h | 13:11 | |
| lardman | hmm, Outlook probably knew that one | 13:11 |
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| opendeep | hi | 13:28 |
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| johnx | hi | 13:43 |
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| lopz | morning | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | Hey, folks, is OMWeather dead? | 15:21 |
| johnx | dunno | 15:21 |
| johnx | not working here either | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | The weather server must have changed the html page format | 15:22 |
| Cptnodegard | yes | 15:24 |
| Cptnodegard | someone was talking about it in here before | 15:24 |
| johnx | info here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17532&highlight=omweather&page=7 | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | johnx: sounds like a full-blown natural disaster | 15:32 |
| RST38h | Everybody's widgets went dead | 15:32 |
| johnx | yup, unless they *gasp* patch and recompile or accept a patched binary from someone | 15:33 |
| johnx | yup, it's a freakin' epidemic | 15:33 |
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| JackCrow | Just another casualty from that cyclone in Burma | 15:34 |
| aquatix | ah, so it's not just me :) | 15:34 |
| aquatix | i got a python update though | 15:34 |
| aquatix | maybe it was because of that? | 15:34 |
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| aquatix | just guessing :/ | 15:35 |
| RST38h | BTW, somebody has to tell OMW developers that their question marks are ugly =) | 15:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 15:35 |
| Blafasel | Huh? aquatix, you did read that link? | 15:35 |
| aquatix | at least they default to sunny | 15:35 |
| aquatix | Blafasel: sorry, not yet | 15:35 |
| * aquatix clicks | 15:35 | |
| Blafasel | You should ;) | 15:35 |
| aquatix | at work, so not browsing *too* much ;) | 15:35 |
| aquatix | i guess that first remark is about the python packages ;) | 15:36 |
| Blafasel | No browsing, but IRC? Yeah.. ;-p | 15:36 |
| johnx | weather.com changed their URL format | 15:36 |
| Blafasel | Hey, I'm at a customer's site and still surfing. =) | 15:36 |
| johnx | omweather is written in C | 15:36 |
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| aquatix | irc is less obvious, as i'm also typing in latex ;) | 15:37 |
| RST38h | latex on a tablet? | 15:37 |
| aquatix | nah, on a pc here | 15:37 |
| aquatix | latex on my home server :) | 15:37 |
| aquatix | just vim in a screen session | 15:38 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Can your client show colors? We could spam some nice ascii arts to get your coworkes attention ;) | 15:38 |
| aquatix | irssi does, yes :P | 15:38 |
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| aquatix | it can also ignore people ;) | 15:38 |
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| * aquatix likes screen and its shortkeys | 15:39 | |
| aquatix | if it gets too colour-y here, i just switch back to vim :P | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | [and used it for years] | 15:47 |
| pyhimys | where can I find info on lifeguard_resets? | 15:48 |
| johnx | what kind of info? how to disable it? | 15:49 |
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| balrog-kun | hey, what's the full name of the camera chip in n810? | 15:49 |
| balrog-kun | i.e. what's the 'x' in TCM825x | 15:49 |
| pyhimys | Tablet booted. TRying to figure out why. | 15:50 |
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| pyhimys | It seems it boot quite often when I'm charging it | 15:50 |
| johnx | pyhimys, some apps will trigger a reboot if they die off while the tablet is running | 15:50 |
| johnx | if some program that's monitored by the lifeguard is crashing that would be the cause | 15:51 |
| inz | pyhimys, /var/lib/dsme/stats | 15:51 |
| pyhimys | in the lifeguard_resets i got bme_RX-34 : 254 * | 15:52 |
| inz | pyhimys, I got that too on one N800 device quite a lot | 15:52 |
| pyhimys | thats the battery management i suppose | 15:52 |
| inz | pyhimys, IIRC it was a prototype though | 15:52 |
| pyhimys | they've shipped me a proto-unit! The bastards! :) | 15:53 |
| pyhimys | hmm, maybe I should just reflash the device and see if the problem persists | 15:55 |
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| balrog-kun | does someone know of downloadable schematics for the n810 btw? | 15:55 |
| inz | pyhimys, it most likely will | 15:56 |
| pyhimys | damn | 15:56 |
| timeless | a proto unit of what? | 15:58 |
| pyhimys | timeless: N800 :) | 16:00 |
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| timeless | hrm, i have one of those on my desk, do you really have one? | 16:00 |
| pyhimys | timeless: Unless there has been an enormous misunderstanding, No. | 16:01 |
| pyhimys | Ordered mine bit over a year ago from nokia webshop. | 16:01 |
| timeless | so why do you think it's a proto? | 16:02 |
| pyhimys | 15:52 < inz> pyhimys, I got that too on one N800 device quite a lot | 16:02 |
| timeless | if you open the back of the device, what does it list for FCC ID ? | 16:02 |
| pyhimys | 15:52 < inz> pyhimys, IIRC it was a prototype though | 16:02 |
| timeless | also, which software are you using? | 16:03 |
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| timeless | iirc you should be using -51 or something like it | 16:03 |
| * timeless tries to remember which group had interesting problems w/ batteries | 16:03 | |
| hrw | balrog-kun: run dmesg | 16:04 |
| timeless | there were people who complained that their device wouldn't power on in certain temperature ranges :) | 16:04 |
| hrw | balrog-kun: n800 had tcm8251, n810 tcm8253 iirc | 16:04 |
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| pyhimys | timeless: doesn't say anything abou fcc, just that it is made in finland | 16:04 |
| timeless | oh, sorry, try looking for C E... and Code/Co'digo | 16:05 |
| hrw | ops. wrong data | 16:05 |
| pyhimys | timeless: 0631673 | 16:05 |
| timeless | anyway, that wouldn't be a proto :) | 16:05 |
| timeless | those numbers are things that get included w/ real devices :) | 16:06 |
| pyhimys | The proto-thing was mainly a joke. (albeit a bad one) | 16:07 |
| pyhimys | One should always jump to conclusions. | 16:07 |
| * timeless doesn't appreciate bad jokes | 16:07 | |
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| * timeless assumes everyone is serious until proven otherwise | 16:08 | |
| pyhimys | inz said he had battery charging issues on a prototype so I just _had_ to have a protounit also | 16:08 |
| timeless | [timeless@centos timeless]$ df -h . | 16:08 |
| timeless | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 16:08 |
| timeless | - 28G 942M 27G 4% /home/timeless | 16:08 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:09 | |
| pyhimys | timeless: sorry about that. | 16:09 |
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| johnx | pyhimys, has your tablet always behaved like this or only since you installed some software? | 16:10 |
| timeless | btw, do you have a /media/mmc1/core-dumps folder? | 16:10 |
| pyhimys | johnx: since the OS2008 I think | 16:10 |
| timeless | people who want to help out are invited to use such a folder to collect crashes | 16:11 |
| timeless | we actually can try to do something w/ your crashes | 16:11 |
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| pyhimys | Don't have one, but will create it | 16:11 |
| johnx | timeless, I had *no* idea that making a core-dumps folder would cause it to collect core dumps. Is this publicized somewhere? | 16:11 |
| timeless | dunno, what does google say? :) | 16:12 |
| timeless | maemo.org - Maemo 4.x: Maemo Debugging Guide | 16:12 |
| timeless | You should now have a core file under the /media/mmc1/core-dumps directory. ... /home/user # ls -l /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 139264 Nov ... | 16:12 |
| timeless | maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html - 80k - | 16:12 |
| timeless | -- | 16:12 |
| timeless | google says it's documented | 16:12 |
| timeless | google also says that i've mentioned it here before :) | 16:12 |
| JackCrow | does the mere existence of that folder cause the tablet to create core dumps? | 16:12 |
| johnx | ah, but in something that's aimed at users? | 16:12 |
| timeless | jackcrow: kinda | 16:12 |
| pyhimys | Googlito ergo sum? | 16:12 |
| timeless | cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern | 16:13 |
| timeless | that setting is what controls where they go | 16:13 |
| pyhimys | (oh no another bad joke) | 16:13 |
| timeless | we hard code the path (note that you should not assume the path will always be that, in fact it will change) | 16:13 |
| timeless | but the kernel won't write into a directory that doesn't exist | 16:13 |
| johnx | hmm...maybe this needs to start getting mentioned on ITT for people have have managed to develop weird crashes :) | 16:13 |
| timeless | so the mere lack of the directory means no core-dumps | 16:13 |
| JackCrow | interesting, thanks | 16:14 |
| timeless | fwiw, that feature isn't really maemo specific | 16:14 |
| timeless | the default path is just maemo specific | 16:14 |
| timeless | the normal core pattern is probably "core" | 16:14 |
| timeless | or something like that | 16:14 |
| timeless | anyway, you'll have to find someone w/ ties to nokia if you want to get your core dumps processed | 16:15 |
| timeless | no guarantees, and keep in mind that a core dump may contain confidential bits | 16:16 |
| timeless | choosing to distribute such a file is a choice... | 16:16 |
| timeless | something like that... i wrote better legalese for the people working on a ui for core dump collection | 16:16 |
| timeless | hopefully it'll appear someday :) | 16:16 |
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| JackCrow | something like "Nokia takes no responsibility for information contained within submitted core files and assumes no liability for such data?" :) | 16:19 |
| johnx | still, would it be helpful to get the word out on ITT? "If you have a weird reoccurring crash, please consider creating a core-dumps folder in your external sd card slot. This can help Nokia programmers to understand what causes the bug to appear. Realize that core dumps *may* contain information that the crashing program was handling at the time, such as email address, name, phone number, etc" | 16:19 |
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| hrw | trickie_: ping? | 16:24 |
| trickie_ | hrw: pong | 16:25 |
| hrw | trickie_: tested umac? | 16:25 |
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| trickie_ | sorry i been MIA, have to move from my apartment so all my time been taken | 16:25 |
| hrw | np | 16:25 |
| trickie_ | but | 16:25 |
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| johnx | hey, hrw, what's involved in testing this? | 16:25 |
| trickie_ | hopefully tonight people will leave me alone :) | 16:26 |
| hrw | johnx: its 2.6.25-omap | 16:26 |
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| johnx | so, use flasher to boot kernel and test a module? | 16:27 |
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| trickie_ | johnx: have you got a 2.6.25-omap booting ok? | 16:28 |
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| johnx | nope, I haven't been focusing on kernel stuff | 16:28 |
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| johnx | if someone gives me the image they want me to test, I'll test it though | 16:29 |
| trickie_ | well i stuffed my mmc card with my mamona install, so i have to fix that up first | 16:30 |
| trickie_ | and then i have been playing with booting a kernel from the flasher and boot with rootfs=/dev/mmcXXX | 16:31 |
| trickie_ | so you need a image that will at least do something about patting the watchdog | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 16:32 |
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| * KotCzarny has misread 'petting the watch dog' | 16:32 | |
| trickie_ | he he | 16:32 |
| trickie_ | close enough | 16:32 |
| trickie_ | not as messy as a real dog, but demanding enough :) | 16:32 |
| johnx | ah, I should be able to do that here. I have Debian booting so I can just write a script to poke the wd and bring up usbnet as well | 16:32 |
| trickie_ | johnx: http://www.muru.com/linux/n8x0/ | 16:34 |
| trickie_ | one there | 16:34 |
| johnx | yup, that's the one I was thinking of | 16:34 |
| johnx | though I might just set r&d mode anyways | 16:34 |
| balrog-kun | hrw: thanks | 16:34 |
| johnx | and disable lifeguard-reset | 16:34 |
| trickie_ | so if you could build HEAD from linux-omap, then maybe you could help test hrw's modules | 16:34 |
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| trickie_ | johnx: well if you boot directly to mmc then dsme etc won't be running till you start it | 16:35 |
| hrw | balrog-kun: nope - I was wrong. | 16:35 |
| trickie_ | i would like to try to come up with a free replacement for dsme/bme etc, so i don't bother starting them ATM | 16:36 |
| johnx | ah, what I don't have right now is a dev env. I'll need to do something about that first... | 16:36 |
| trickie_ | johnx: get mamona :) | 16:36 |
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| pyhimys | Now that I have the core-dumps directory the damn thing wont crash anymore. Which is quite nice also. | 16:37 |
| hrw | or Poky or any other OE based env | 16:37 |
| Veggen | pyhimys: ah. A Heisenbug. | 16:37 |
| trickie_ | poky... cause then hrw can provide support ha ha ha | 16:37 |
| johnx | I have OE on a machine I have an account on, but it's x86_64 and is somewhat troublesome :/ | 16:37 |
| trickie_ | the mamona guys are great help too | 16:38 |
| balrog-kun | hrw: ok | 16:38 |
| balrog-kun | hrw: unless you've guessed right | 16:38 |
| balrog-kun | hrw: there's a 1/100 chance | 16:38 |
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| trickie_ | johnx: what troubles were you having with OE? | 16:41 |
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| trickie_ | its a fast moving target, but its worth the look into | 16:42 |
| trickie_ | nice up to date toolchain | 16:42 |
| johnx | build stuff that appears to be x86_64 related, perl won't build right now | 16:42 |
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| trickie_ | johnx: i think some of the mamona guys build on x86_64, so if you interested #mamona is a good place to hang out | 16:44 |
| trickie_ | anywa | 16:44 |
| trickie_ | back to the real world - work :( | 16:44 |
| johnx | ah, have fun | 16:44 |
| trickie_ | ill try | 16:45 |
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| balrog-kun | i'll need a really tiny screw driver to find out | 16:47 |
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| aquatix | it's funny | 16:48 |
| aquatix | why does maemo ask whether you want to really quit offline mode, or really update your package list, but not whether you really want to turn off the device? :) | 16:49 |
| johnx | Because secretly it's lazy | 16:49 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 16:49 |
| johnx | "Do I *really* have to turn on the wifi radio? c'mon man..." | 16:50 |
| aquatix | sounds like my perfect electronic companion ;) | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | Read memory location 0xDEADBEEF? [y/n] | 16:50 |
| aquatix | maemo, the lazy geek's electronic equivalent | 16:50 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 16:50 |
| aquatix | 0xDECAFBAD | 16:51 |
| johnx | heh...a "translation" to casual english would be fun | 16:51 |
| aquatix | and there was much rejoicing | 16:51 |
| * aquatix has weather again | 16:51 | |
| johnx | patched binary? | 16:51 |
| aquatix | johnx: decaf coffee is bad :) | 16:51 |
| aquatix | johnx: yeah | 16:51 |
| johnx | aquatix, very true | 16:51 |
| aquatix | too bad i really had to reboot | 16:51 |
| johnx | it's like a bait and switch | 16:51 |
| aquatix | unchecking/checking applet didn't help | 16:52 |
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| hrw | johnx: perl do not build on x86-64? | 16:54 |
| johnx | running through it again | 16:54 |
| hrw | johnx: then why I did not noticed it during last year... | 16:54 |
| johnx | hrw, I dunno. My build host is a gentoo machine. Maybe there is some weirdness there | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | most probably | 16:55 |
| johnx | I'll see if it builds this time | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:55 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, yeah, I didn't pick the OS. My friend gave me an account and said "go nuts building whatever you want." | 16:55 |
| johnx | so I'm not gonna complain to him :) | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | chroot then | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:56 |
| * KotCzarny usually unpacks slackware packages on hostile/weird systems | 16:56 | |
| johnx | that would work I guess, I just haven't gotten around to it | 16:57 |
| trickie_ | johnx: i build on gentoo | 17:00 |
| trickie_ | not x86_64 though | 17:00 |
| johnx | well, I'll see if it fails again, and write a bug report | 17:00 |
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| johnx | it has 1873 tasks to do, so maybe I'll let it work while I sleep ;) | 17:02 |
| trickie_ | good plan | 17:02 |
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| trickie_ | toolchain+mamona usually takes me about 3/4 hours from scratch | 17:02 |
| johnx | this is toolchain+altboot-console-image for collie as a test | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Mamona is an x86 hosted version of Maemo, right? | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | no, its using openembedded to build maemo | 17:06 |
| trickie_ | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ | 17:06 |
| RST38h | thasnks | 17:06 |
| trickie_ | its not maemo, but uses some componets | 17:07 |
| trickie_ | and maemo kernel and initfs by default | 17:07 |
| RST38h | Ah, so they do work on IT hardware but attempt to replace components one by one? | 17:08 |
| ||cw | does it look like maemo or does it give the gpe/opie option? | 17:11 |
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| trickie_ | RST38h: yes kind of, not sure if all proprietary components are targeted for replacement | 17:13 |
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| trickie_ | ||cw: it is enlightment based ATM | 17:13 |
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| johnx | ah, interesting notes on sound support :) | 17:14 |
| timeless | the confirmation dialogs come from nokia house style | 17:14 |
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| timeless | some of us hope someday to force people to get rid of that style | 17:14 |
| timeless | but well... it's an uphill battle | 17:14 |
| timeless | you'll see the same sort of behavior in nokia phones | 17:15 |
| RST38h | "hope to force people" <-- now, THAT is a plan | 17:15 |
| timeless | note: i've been hoping for 2 years | 17:15 |
| johnx | any hope for providing a "secret" gconf key to disable all the prompts? | 17:15 |
| timeless | i think we've managed to fix the order of one dialog | 17:15 |
| timeless | but not get rid of the dialog | 17:15 |
| timeless | no | 17:16 |
| timeless | well, wait | 17:16 |
| timeless | you could probably replace a certain part of hildon w/ an auto responder | 17:16 |
| timeless | the code for hildon is open source | 17:16 |
| johnx | heh | 17:16 |
| timeless | i've written similar modules for gecko | 17:16 |
| timeless | very handy | 17:16 |
| johnx | very elegant :) | 17:16 |
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| timeless | if the dialogs include help context, it'd actually be possible to make it truly correct | 17:17 |
| timeless | from memory maemo uses/supports atk for testing | 17:17 |
| timeless | and automated testing | 17:17 |
| timeless | which means you should be able to write an atk script to dismiss those dialogs | 17:17 |
| johnx | they don't annoy me that much as long as d-pad center defaults to "do what I told you to" | 17:17 |
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| timeless | you clearly don't have an n810 | 17:18 |
| johnx | of course not | 17:18 |
| timeless | since that button isn't available | 17:18 |
| timeless | upgrade and get more annoyed :) | 17:18 |
| * johnx likes his sd slots | 17:18 | |
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| timeless | i think it'll cost you $400 for the experience :) | 17:18 |
| KotCzarny | more if you want storage space | 17:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:18 |
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| johnx | I'm perfectly happy with my collection of ARM gadgets for right now | 17:19 |
| johnx | but really, why would anyone actually *not* have the keyboard out? | 17:19 |
| MangoFusion | anyone strapped their NIT to their ARM yet? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | johnx: my n810 is in a case | 17:20 |
| johnx | I'm sorry to hear that | 17:20 |
| RST38h | and keyboard makes it lose balance anyway | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | The funny part is, I am still using E70 phone more often than N810, especially to type messages: E70 keyboard is much more comfortable | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Maybe I can somehow make S60-based E70 act as a BT keyboard? :) | 17:21 |
| johnx | yeah, either of my zauruses win for text input, though I've gotten pretty fast with the fullscreen keyboard | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | Still can;t enable full screen keyoard reliably - it is enabled in a really weird way on n810 | 17:22 |
| johnx | quick question for N810 owners who have used an N800: Which d-pad do you like better, ignoring the requirement to slide out the keyboard for now? | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | N800. | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://diatom.tv/node/69/play | 17:23 |
| johnx | RST38h, well that's a sad state of affairs :/ | 17:23 |
| RST38h | No, just a bad design decision on the part of Nokia | 17:23 |
| RST38h | I am pretty sure they will fix it in N900 or whatever comes next | 17:24 |
| * KotCzarny likes ibm thinkpad's keyboard the best | 17:24 | |
| RST38h | Last time I dropped Thinkpad onto wooden floor, it made a 1/2" deep hole | 17:24 |
| KotCzarny | mine weighs 1.6kg | 17:25 |
| Navi | Heh | 17:25 |
| RST38h | No, that one was 4kg one | 17:25 |
| johnx | RST38h, but that means it's been getting worse since the 770, which didn't have all that great of a d-pad IIRC | 17:25 |
| RST38h | johnx: it does not have to be great, just usable | 17:25 |
| johnx | right, just pointing out the trend is downward | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | original n-gage has a nice d-pad | 17:26 |
| Navi | Too much resistance on the dpads | 17:26 |
| hrw | johnx: 770 had better dpad then n810 | 17:26 |
| hrw | I did not used n800 | 17:26 |
| RST38h | btw, N810 shares dpad design with E90 and some other recent phones | 17:26 |
| RST38h | I guess, E90 should also suck in this aspect | 17:26 |
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| KotCzarny | i think optical dpad is the way to go | 17:26 |
| arif_endro | hi all | 17:26 |
| johnx | hi arif_endro | 17:27 |
| Navi | I could go for a dpad that's like the one on the GP2X F200 | 17:27 |
| johnx | I think ripping off the zaurus wholesale now that sharp canceled them is the way to ho | 17:27 |
| Navi | It's not great, but it's a lot better than the NIT's pads | 17:27 |
| aquatix | johnx: hm :) | 17:27 |
| aquatix | that'd be interesting | 17:27 |
| aquatix | a zaurus-like clamshell with 8GB flash ram, bluetooth, wifi... | 17:28 |
| RST38h | let's just wait until the fold-out phone idea resurfaces again at Nokia ;) | 17:28 |
| aquatix | 800x480 screen | 17:28 |
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| johnx | evertime I see my akita and n800 next to each other I start thinking about a transplant...but I wouldn't know where to start | 17:28 |
| aquatix | yummy | 17:28 |
| RST38h | It does resurface every few years, like some kraken... | 17:28 |
| Navi | johnx, you're so Dr. Frankenstein | 17:28 |
| johnx | and then Nokia employees beat it with oars? | 17:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: Basically, helped with network operators | 17:28 |
| RST38h | s/with/by/ | 17:29 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: johnx: Basically, helped by network operators | 17:29 |
| johnx | Navi, nah, I *want* to be Dr. Frankenstein but I haven't got the soldering skillz | 17:29 |
| Navi | Lol | 17:29 |
| Navi | :D | 17:29 |
| aquatix | *g* | 17:29 |
| RST38h | E70 was as close as it gets to a perfect phone, yet died quickly | 17:29 |
| KotCzarny | then get a bigger lightning | 17:29 |
| Navi | Died? | 17:29 |
| Navi | I have an E70 :o | 17:29 |
| arif_endro | I'm just wondering what maemo means, where it came from how it come up with it... | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Same happened with their pre-S60 fold out phones | 17:29 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I think I got that spam just yesterday... | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Navi: Yes, but is it still being offered? | 17:30 |
| aquatix | johnx: hm, akita? that's an island :P | 17:30 |
| Navi | No idea | 17:30 |
| RST38h | E61 is, but not E70 | 17:30 |
| Navi | I got mine a year ago | 17:30 |
| johnx | aquatix, nope, a dog | 17:30 |
| johnx | also, a Zaurus C1000 | 17:30 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 17:30 |
| RST38h | You basically have to SEARCH for E70 now. No firmware updates for months. | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | No OMAP2 upgrade. | 17:30 |
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| Navi | Eh | 17:31 |
| MangoFusion | n95 here. best phone i have had so far - except for the dodgy build quality on the volume buttons | 17:31 |
| Navi | I've had the pre S60 fold-out phones too | 17:31 |
| Navi | I love 'em | 17:31 |
| * aquatix likes his sony ericsson m600i | 17:31 | |
| aquatix | qwerty ftw | 17:31 |
| johnx | Sony Ericsson W51S, makes calls, runs opera, does 3G | 17:32 |
| RST38h | M600i isn't real qwerty. | 17:32 |
| inz | Nokia 6230: makes calls | 17:32 |
| inz | until the battery dies ;) | 17:32 |
| RST38h | From programming point of view M600i "qwerty" is a freakig nightmare | 17:33 |
| czr | czr: does not call | 17:33 |
| aquatix | RST38h: not real qwerty? | 17:33 |
| glass | MangoFusion: got one too.. the firmware upgrades really made a difference | 17:33 |
| RST38h | aquatix: key scancodes are quite arbitrary | 17:33 |
| aquatix | yeah, qwerty sucks | 17:33 |
| aquatix | ah, like that | 17:34 |
| RST38h | aquatix: they become correct keycodes after some translation when inputing text | 17:34 |
| aquatix | was more talking about the physical layout | 17:34 |
| Navi | E70: Makes calls, Runs webkit, does 2.5G, kicks asses | 17:34 |
| johnx | ah, also AGPS, forgot about that one :) | 17:34 |
| RST38h | aquatix: but if you are writing a game and want REAL scancodes from qwerty keys, M600i is a world of pain | 17:34 |
| aquatix | RST38h: maybe they do some numeral keypad -> realy chars tricks? | 17:34 |
| MangoFusion | interestingly enough when i updated the responsiveness of the camera app plummeted. i.e. took even longer to pop up, sometimes ignored the camera button altogether. and even noticeably skipped frames when recording | 17:34 |
| RST38h | aquatix; yea, they have a translation layer, like Nokia does in E61 | 17:35 |
| MangoFusion | (though i think that was in part due to a corrupted memory card) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | aquatix: but the one in SE phone has to translate a lot more keys | 17:35 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:35 |
| aquatix | haven't tried programming for it yet | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Navi: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone ;) | 17:35 |
| aquatix | i'm more interested in programming for my tablet | 17:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: *g* | 17:36 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Can't sell tablet apps. CAN sell Symbian apps | 17:36 |
| Navi | I read maddox every once in a while | 17:36 |
| aquatix | RST38h: true | 17:36 |
| Navi | I've read that article | 17:36 |
| aquatix | still, i won't do it for money | 17:36 |
| RST38h | aquatix: and it isn't as scary as it looks | 17:36 |
| aquatix | just for fun | 17:36 |
| aquatix | i want the uiq3 putty source though :/ | 17:37 |
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| aquatix | the guy that ported it, abandoned it | 17:37 |
| aquatix | and now it can't be updated | 17:37 |
| RST38h | isn't it available? | 17:37 |
| aquatix | nope | 17:37 |
| aquatix | only a binary | 17:37 |
| aquatix | or i'm stupid and it's in the main repository | 17:37 |
| aquatix | where i didn't look yet | 17:37 |
| RST38h | a moment | 17:38 |
| MangoFusion | is flash lite any good for dev? | 17:38 |
| RST38h | http://sourceforge.net/projects/s2putty/ | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 17:38 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: erm, isn't that series 60/80 only? | 17:41 |
| * aquatix tries to find the repository | 17:41 | |
| RST38h | They say UIQ port is available so I guess it should be both | 17:41 |
| aquatix | am i too tired or isn't there an svn repository available on sf? | 17:44 |
| * aquatix finds a source .zip | 17:44 | |
| aquatix | RST38h: you mean ``PuTTY for UIQ: See the ports by Robert Horvath, MobilEyes AB, and Taneli Leppä'' <- the latter is the one that ported to uiq3 | 17:45 |
| aquatix | but only put a binary online | 17:45 |
| aquatix | and doesn't maintain it for a while already | 17:45 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Oh :( | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Why can't you port to UIQ the S60 version? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | It isn't very complicated | 17:47 |
| aquatix | myeah, that's a possibility | 17:47 |
| aquatix | but that Taneli guy already did it | 17:48 |
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| RST38h | Well, Taneli guy hid his source under the bed and went fishing | 17:48 |
| aquatix | and as i didn't program anything for symbian yet, i thought it a nice starting point | 17:48 |
| aquatix | indeed | 17:48 |
| RST38h | A moment, I will give you a better starting point | 17:48 |
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| aquatix | didn't react on my query through his site too | 17:48 |
| aquatix | k :) | 17:48 |
| RST38h | the big white probably ate him while fishing | 17:49 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | aquatix: in plain English: http://developer.uiq.com/downloads/public/Taskalavista_S60_to_UIQ3.zip | 17:50 |
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| aquatix | cool, thanks | 17:51 |
| RST38h | Links: http://developer.uiq.com/forum/entry.jspa?externalID=124 | 17:51 |
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| aquatix | RST38h: the latter link is nice too, thanks | 17:56 |
| aquatix | any idea whether the sdk works under wine or something? | 17:56 |
| RST38h | I suggest proper Windows | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Both S60 and UIQ sdks are GCC based though | 17:56 |
| RST38h | GCCE to be exact | 17:56 |
| aquatix | hm, i might need to install a vm then | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiHtUFuGgSA | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | arrrgh | 17:57 |
| RST38h | You do not have a Windows machine? | 17:57 |
| aquatix | i have a license laying around | 17:57 |
| aquatix | RST38h: nope | 17:57 |
| aquatix | only linux | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | Try Wine then - there is nothing special in the SDK | 17:57 |
| aquatix | yeah, i'll try that first | 17:57 |
| RST38h | Just ignore their "phone simulator" - it is garbage | 17:57 |
| RST38h | debug on a real devicew | 17:58 |
| aquatix | can always install something in virtual box or something | 17:58 |
| aquatix | kk, thanks | 17:58 |
| aquatix | time to bork my m600 ;) | 17:58 |
| RST38h | you won't bork it but be prepared for reboots | 17:58 |
| aquatix | heheh, yeah | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | otherwise it is pretty tough little system | 17:58 |
| aquatix | indeed is | 17:59 |
| aquatix | only times i reboot is when i ran the battery totally flat | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | hardware wise it is identical to N8x0, more or less | 18:00 |
| RST38h | has got a GSM chip of course | 18:01 |
| aquatix | oh? | 18:01 |
| RST38h | dont forget it;s a phone :) | 18:01 |
| aquatix | hah | 18:02 |
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| aquatix | was refering to the similarity | 18:02 |
| aquatix | didn't know it was that similar | 18:02 |
| johnx | the N8x0 was born out of Nokia's parts bin :) | 18:02 |
| aquatix | johnx: myeah, the 770 even more so :) | 18:02 |
| aquatix | m600 is a sony ericsson phone tough | 18:03 |
| johnx | too bad they ran out of good d-pads and those nifty covers :/ | 18:03 |
| RST38h | They are both born from TI's OMAP reference designs | 18:03 |
| aquatix | RST38h: ah, k | 18:03 |
| aquatix | didn't know that about my phone | 18:03 |
| RST38h | And the reference design is basically like a "PC AT" thing | 18:03 |
| aquatix | heh :) | 18:03 |
| aquatix | crap, gotta run | 18:03 |
| RST38h | It tells you more or less everything | 18:03 |
| arif_endro | did they use the same processor? | 18:04 |
| aquatix | RST38h: thanks for your links and such :) | 18:04 |
| aquatix | m600 is a 200MHz proc | 18:04 |
| RST38h | arif: Same SoCs | 18:04 |
| aquatix | but also omap i guess | 18:04 |
| aquatix | anyways, catch you all later | 18:04 |
| RST38h | M600i is IMAP850 | 18:04 |
| RST38h | OMAP850, aka OMAP1 | 18:04 |
| aquatix | ah | 18:04 |
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| Navi | No, it's totally OMAP8 | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Same as N770, E70, E61, etc | 18:05 |
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| Navi | omweather updated to work yet? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | not yet | 18:06 |
| Navi | mmk | 18:06 |
| johnx | Navi, use the source! | 18:06 |
| Navi | What? Use the force?! | 18:06 |
| RST38h | "Firefox Vietnamese Language Pack Infected With Trojan" | 18:06 |
| johnx | grrr | 18:06 |
| johnx | that's no good | 18:06 |
| RST38h | McCain isn't a president yet, but He already infects language packs! =) | 18:06 |
| Navi | Vietnamese ones to boot | 18:06 |
| Navi | Gettin' his revenge on | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Otherwise I would blame it on somebody else! | 18:07 |
| johnx | Navi, change the URL, recompile, it's on the thread in ITT, or grab the patched binary | 18:07 |
| Navi | mmk | 18:07 |
| Navi | I'll look into that after I'm done with the rss feed app | 18:07 |
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| shackan | I have had my file manager segfault for weeks, whatever component tries to browse the filesystem (like for opening or saving a file) segfaults too, can I do anything other than a clean reflash? (don't want to reinstall EVERYTHING YET AGAIN) | 18:08 |
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| Navi | Heh | 18:09 |
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| liquid217 | I used the updated binary with OMWeather. It's still not acting 100% correctly. It's doing some odd things with the last day of the week. | 18:09 |
| johnx | shackan, did it happen around the time you installed an app? | 18:10 |
| Navi | ZOMG EETZ A VIRUS | 18:10 |
| Navi | We need a virus scanner | 18:10 |
| johnx | liquid217, other people seem to be having similar problems | 18:10 |
| RST38h | I GUESS THAT MEANWHILE GUY WAS RIGHT!!! | 18:10 |
| Navi | johnx, build Norton Antivirus, quick! | 18:10 |
| RST38h | MAEMO IS INSECURE! RUN FOR THE HILLS! | 18:10 |
| * johnx lives in the hills | 18:10 | |
| johnx | help what do *I* do?! | 18:11 |
| Navi | ohshi- | 18:11 |
| * shackan TOO !!!!! | 18:11 | |
| RST38h | johnx: then run off the hills | 18:11 |
| * johnx runs | 18:11 | |
| RST38h | all right, going home | 18:11 |
| Navi | RST38h, lolirl | 18:11 |
| johnx | ...as soon as this compile finishes | 18:11 |
| RST38h | 3-day weekend is nice | 18:11 |
| Navi | RST38h, indeed it is | 18:11 |
| shackan | johnx: I installed a bunch of things, like the mypaint and numpty, I'd like to track the problem down, but without strace or anything like that.. no luck | 18:11 |
| johnx | well...strace is available | 18:12 |
| johnx | as is ltrace | 18:12 |
| shackan | if it is, I can't install it because apt-get craps out | 18:12 |
| johnx | apt-get is broken too? | 18:13 |
| Navi | zomg | 18:13 |
| Navi | borkened | 18:13 |
| johnx | this seems like a bigger problem than just file manager :) | 18:13 |
| shackan | well, apparently there's a broken package which is half installed | 18:13 |
| shackan | clinkc0 | 18:13 |
| shackan | and if I a-g -f install it asks me if I really want to install it, I say yes, but it does nothing (ie: a-g quits) | 18:14 |
| johnx | O_o | 18:14 |
| johnx | dpkg --purge ? | 18:14 |
| shackan | let's try | 18:14 |
| shackan | dependency problems prevent clinkc0 from being remove | 18:16 |
| shackan | *d | 18:16 |
| johnx | alright, what depends on it? | 18:16 |
| shackan | osso-software-version maemo-launcher libfarsight osso-connectivity clinkc-av0 | 18:17 |
| johnx | rtcomm beta installed ? | 18:17 |
| shackan | mm, no | 18:17 |
| shackan | got rid of that months ago | 18:18 |
| shackan | (ie: before this problem) | 18:18 |
| johnx | aaah...so you had it installed and removed it? | 18:18 |
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| johnx | or reflashed? | 18:18 |
| shackan | removed it, haven't reflashed in months | 18:18 |
| shackan | (waiting for diablo) | 18:18 |
| johnx | I wonder how it ended up half installed then... | 18:19 |
| shackan | me too | 18:19 |
| shackan | sigh | 18:19 |
| johnx | well, just unpack strace from the deb and use it | 18:20 |
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| johnx | won't mess up anything else at this point | 18:20 |
| shackan | sometimes I also have a touchscreen sensitivity issue | 18:20 |
| johnx | don't even unpack it in root | 18:20 |
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| shackan | for instance, I click somewhere in the middle of the screen, the click appears on the far left (the application bar) | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | touchscreen fun | 18:21 |
| shackan | well, happens rarely, but it does happen | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | happens on mine n800 too | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bugs-ts1-800.jpg | 18:22 |
| shackan | wonder if it has to do with hours of pressure after I kept if for a whole night it under the pillow | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | i bet on some design issue | 18:22 |
| shackan | uhmm | 18:22 |
| shackan | but it didn't use to do that | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | it usually happens to me when i touch it very gently | 18:23 |
| johnx | I've always thought it was related to heat, but I was never sure... | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | no probem when dragging hard | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | *problem | 18:24 |
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| KotCzarny | i first noticed it when clicking in control panel sometimes opened menus on the left | 18:25 |
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| shackan | right | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | so it's usually misread x pos | 18:25 |
| shackan | yup, y is fine | 18:25 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | is internettabletalk donw? | 18:31 |
| magicrobotmonkey | *down | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | is for me | 18:31 |
| magicrobotmonkey | anyone know if theres been an update to omweather to deal with weather.com changing their rss feed | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Ed Bartosh says that Vlad is on a vacation yet. | 18:33 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ahh | 18:33 |
| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, there's some fix on the garage page for omweather I believe? | 18:33 |
| johnx | contributed by a user | 18:33 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im looking | 18:33 |
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| johnx | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2528&group_id=93&atid=417 | 18:35 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thx | 18:36 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | ifconfig | 18:39 |
| magicrobotmonkey | woops wrong window | 18:40 |
| johnx | irc0: Hardware Address: 00:DE:AD:BE:EF:00 IP Address: 1.3.3.7 | 18:40 |
| hrw | I prefer mac address of my router ;) | 18:43 |
| hrw | C0:FF:EE:C0:FF:EE | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | H0:T_:C0:FF:EE | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | fail :( :p | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | try DE:CA:F0 | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, all these are m00t for me as I don't drink tea or coffee :p | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | tea is good | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | green tea to be specific | 18:45 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh | 18:45 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, I could never bring myself to drink leaves with hot water | 18:46 |
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| KotCzarny | ever ate meat? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | do you know it's animal's pieces? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | o_0 | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | Obviously ;) :P | 18:47 |
| MangoFusion | eeeeeew | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer leaves in hot water | 18:48 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: do you know that tea has feelings too? and you masacre it with hot water... | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:48 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 18:48 |
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| Navi | qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 <- vote! vote! | 18:51 |
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| L0cutus | re | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, doing so now lol :) | 18:52 |
| L0cutus | what is the best guide to boot from SD ? | 18:52 |
| Proteous | www.BootFromSDin3EasySteps.com | 18:52 |
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| Navi | Lol | 18:53 |
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| * qwerty12 creates bugzilla account. I thought my garage one would work :/ | 18:54 | |
| Navi | :/ | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | I voted :) | 18:55 |
| Navi | Woo | 18:55 |
| X-Fade_ | qwerty12: Nope, we haven't been able to hook that one into garage.. | 18:55 |
| Proteous | I voted to ban Navi | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:55 |
| Navi | Snaps | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | vote with your wallet? | 18:55 |
| L0cutus | 3 steps are too much : | 18:55 |
| Navi | I vote to shower Proteous with love and joy | 18:55 |
| Proteous | lol | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade_, Ah, well, no problems :). It only took me 5 mins to make a account :) | 18:55 |
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| * Proteous feels the love | 18:55 | |
| KotCzarny | l0cutus: ok, here's an upgraded version: 1/ find someone to do it for you | 18:56 |
| Navi | Guess who ran out of bandwidth? | 18:56 |
| Navi | \o/ | 18:56 |
| L0cutus | wow, thanks ! (better if you come here to make the work for me :) | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Wow, your microb svn? | 18:56 |
| Proteous | \o\ |o| /o/ | 18:56 |
| Proteous | \o\ | 18:57 |
| Proteous | /o/ | 18:57 |
| Navi | qwerty12, technically, I'm out | 18:57 |
| Navi | I don't have that much | 18:57 |
| Proteous | \o/ | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :( | 18:57 |
| Navi | but there isn't a cap if I don't tell my buddy that I'm out of bandwidth. | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | give us the address, we will do it for you | 18:57 |
| Navi | Someone's mirroring already | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | google probably | 18:59 |
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| L0cutus | this seems to be ok : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 | 19:04 |
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| Navi | Weird | 19:06 |
| Navi | I can't chat with anyone on MSN using rtcomm | 19:06 |
| magicrobotmonkey | wow that was quick | 19:07 |
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| KotCzarny | administ? | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | ad-minister? | 19:09 |
| Navi | woo, personal menu update | 19:10 |
| Blafasel | administrator? That's my password. Oh no, it's blank. | 19:11 |
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| Navi | My password is ********** | 19:12 |
| dougt | sweet! | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | what's a password? | 19:12 |
| Navi | That way, people are confused when I accidentally type it into the channel | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Does anyone know if the mpd port for maemo has any special source (no odd pun or the like intended) or does a straight recompile work? I need the headers for something. | 19:13 |
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| Navi | Probably a straight compile | 19:13 |
| Navi | it's about half a year outdated too | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, thanks | 19:13 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | wow mpd on the tablet, thats sweet | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Where have you been? :p | 19:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh | 19:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | theres too much to pay attention too | 19:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | what about sshfs? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, by solmumaha | 19:15 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thats what im waiting for, so when im home i can mount my music collection | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs is a straight compile | 19:15 |
| KotCzarny | just grab the archive and unpack to / | 19:15 |
| magicrobotmonkey | damn i gotta get on that | 19:15 |
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| KotCzarny | ever used sdk? | 19:16 |
| dougt | what is the command to keep the screen from dimming (turning off)? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Grab moredimmingoptions and set the timeout to 24h | 19:16 |
| Navi | You need a command? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Or edit gconf yourself. | 19:16 |
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| lopz | de regreso del servicio técnico con su router | 19:17 |
| dougt | thanks! | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | I'm about to build the pengest mpd ever: http://pastebin.com/d18ce6b09 :P (I only need it for header files and the like :P) | 19:19 |
| Navi | heh | 19:20 |
| Navi | only wav support | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | You know you want it :p | 19:21 |
| Navi | sez u | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | of course :p | 19:22 |
| Navi | My buddy needs to give me ssh access | 19:23 |
| Navi | I can't deal with Apache dieing and not being able to restart it anymore | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Go to the server and fire some shots from a glock into it for being a lazy crap :p | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he found out about your dirty big bandwidth excess :P | 19:24 |
| Navi | Nah, his entire VPS is down. | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he is blocking your ip | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:24 |
| Blafasel | The real WTF is using apache instead of lightweight servers. *hides* | 19:24 |
| Navi | Note: Don't use Bluehost if you value uptime. | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | I don't, sounds great! | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | my wrt54g has ~60d of uptime already | 19:25 |
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| KotCzarny | and it was because i pulled the wrong plug when moving my laptop | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:25 |
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| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_me_in_the_ass | 19:27 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | lmao, I thought all these composers were boring pooms :p | 19:28 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, I mean, they're always dressed so formally | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | no, it's those 'political/family correctness guys' that are boring | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | artist are usually hip | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | *artists | 19:28 |
| RST38h | back | 19:31 |
| Navi | Awesome | 19:31 |
| Navi | no more personal menu crashes | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | it crashed? | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | never noticed | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, when adding apps sometimes | 19:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, I'm using Penguinbaits easy install KDE (where it makes 2 image files on the mmc), I don't want to do mmc boot. But I can't connect my N800 via usb even when kde is closed, so is there any way I can unmount the images? | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | umount -d /mount/point | 19:35 |
| Capn_Fish | umount /dev/loop0? | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I'll try it out. | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | type mount alone to see what's mounted | 19:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Capn_Fish is right, /dev/loop0 is mounted but when I unmount as root, it says it is busy :/ | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | close the apps, terms | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | I did lsof on it, I need to close down xrdp and x11vnc, but some libraries are running of it :/. Just have to hope for the best. | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, penguinbait really needs to understand the function of the stop function in init scripts :p | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Goddam, hildon-desktop sux. I just disabled all my applets and the thing crashes >.> | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | kill it again and you get them back | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I wanted to disable it to test a little something I compiled :) | 19:45 |
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| RST38h | For everybody missing OMWeather: | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Vlad is currently hiking and will be back in <=20 days | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | johnx mentioned a unofficial fix before :) | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | vlad the impaler? | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | Vlad The Weatherman | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Makin it rain on dem ***z | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, anyone know which package the command fold is part of? | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, coreutils. | 20:00 |
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| _berto_ | solmumaha: are you there? | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | Could somebody put this into topic: | 20:31 |
| RST38h | http://n8xx.com/uploads.php?file=omweather_0.20.1.Wall_armel.deb | 20:31 |
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| solmumaha | _berto_: yes | 20:46 |
| jldiaz | I'm trying to compile myself omweather, but ./configure complains about lacking liblocation | 20:46 |
| jldiaz | what package needs to be installed? | 20:46 |
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| _berto_ | solmumaha: did you want to translate vagalume into finnish? | 20:49 |
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| _berto_ | we're releasing on monday or so | 20:49 |
| thp | what can I do against the message "Application [...] did not provide valid .desktop file"? | 20:50 |
| thp | my application has everything in place (icon in /usr/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons/hicolor), a valid desktop file and all | 20:50 |
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| solmumaha | _berto_: i could, but it may not be perfect | 20:51 |
| solmumaha | i did look at it, not too many strings | 20:51 |
| _berto_ | I added some more this week, but the file is still very short | 20:51 |
| jldiaz | _berto_: are you alberto garcia? | 20:52 |
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| _berto_ | /whois _berto_ | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | :) | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | (yes, I am) | 20:52 |
| jldiaz | :) | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | you were working on the wii remote control, weren't you? | 20:53 |
| jldiaz | Yes, it was me :-) | 20:53 |
| jldiaz | I changed the mechanism for controlling the tablet from the wiimote | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | the dbus methods are ready | 20:53 |
| jldiaz | oh thanks! | 20:54 |
| jldiaz | but now my remote control does not require dbus support | 20:54 |
| jldiaz | it generates fake x-window events | 20:54 |
| jldiaz | and this makes it much more general | 20:54 |
| jldiaz | however, it requires the application to be controlled to be in foreground | 20:54 |
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| jldiaz | so I'm still in doubt about wheter use dbus or not | 20:55 |
| _berto_ | ah | 20:55 |
| jldiaz | in principle, the mapping from wiimote buttons to actions into the tablet is very configurable | 20:55 |
| _berto_ | great | 20:55 |
| _berto_ | solmumaha: if you want to translate the file wait 'til I update it first :) | 20:56 |
| _berto_ | if not, no problem :) | 20:56 |
| solmumaha | sure, but don't tell anyone it's from me | 20:58 |
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| wnight | Does anyone have libreadline-ruby? I'm trying to get the source and build it but not having any luck. | 20:59 |
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| flo_lap | re | 21:02 |
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| dolske | Anyone reading Planet Maemo via Google Reader? The past couple of days I've it's just been showing me raw HTML for posts, but only for those from the PM feed. | 21:22 |
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| inz | It's been working just fine for me | 21:23 |
| magicrobotmonkey | me too | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade_ | dolske: Are you using the atom feed or the rss2.0? | 21:25 |
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| dolske | hmm, just whatever's been working for months. /me checks... | 21:25 |
| dolske | atom... http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/atom.xml | 21:26 |
| X-Fade_ | Try changing that to rss.xml . | 21:27 |
| X-Fade_ | See if that makes a difference. | 21:27 |
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| dolske | yeah, the rss2 feed seems to work. | 21:27 |
| dolske | stupid feeds. :/ | 21:28 |
| X-Fade_ | Hmm there was an update in the feed software yesterday. | 21:28 |
| X-Fade_ | dolske: Did you have that problem before yesterday around this time? | 21:29 |
| dolske | I'm not entirely sure when it started. It's within the last day or two, though. | 21:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | dolske: It seems the server reports the wrong encoding. | 21:33 |
| X-Fade_ | I'll look into it. | 21:33 |
| dolske | yeah, that would do it. | 21:34 |
| X-Fade_ | it seems to default to US_ASCII where it should do UTF-8. | 21:34 |
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| dolske | oh, encoding? I was thinking content type. I'd expect ascii vs utf8 to just result in some occasional garbage characters... then again, feeds are picky about all kinds of weird stuff. | 21:42 |
| X-Fade_ | no, it should send encoding utf-8 with the mime type. | 21:43 |
| pyhimys | Yay!(?) Now I got a coredump. bme_RX-34-6-349.core | 21:44 |
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| jldiaz | what RX stands for? | 21:47 |
| jldiaz | as in rx-44, or in the name of the .bin flash images | 21:47 |
| pyhimys | I think it is just architecture | 21:47 |
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| inz | RX-34 = N800, RX-44 = N810 | 21:49 |
| inz | SU-18 = 770 | 21:49 |
| balrog-kun | that still doesn't tell you what RX stands for :) | 21:50 |
| * qwerty12_N800 loves conky with mpd. I finally got round to removing libgtkmozembed from status file. | 21:50 | |
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| inz | balrog, no, it doesn't, but it tells, what RX-44 means | 21:55 |
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| RST38x | Test | 21:58 |
| inz | Fail | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | This irc channel is set to blow in case of failure | 22:01 |
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| balrog-kun | the risk is that RX doesn't mean anything | 22:06 |
| balrog-kun | maybe it sounds like "rex" if you read it quickly | 22:06 |
| RST381 | Let us see if using xchat-maemo with bt keyboard is comfortable enough | 22:06 |
| balrog-kun | which is not very meaningful either | 22:06 |
| RST381 | Feels ok although there is noticeable lag | 22:06 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is there any chance that I will be able to use the N800 webcam via flash on websites once Diablo is out? | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's a flash problem in general,, it's not nokia's fault | 22:10 |
| RST381 | WoW: Unlikely | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Someone needs to do a working port of flashcam, I tried and failed | 22:11 |
| WorkingOnWise | Has anyone tried it in Minefield yet? | 22:14 |
| RST381 | Aa | 22:14 |
| WorkingOnWise | Aa? | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aah | 22:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol..oh | 22:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'll try it then. | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i was joking :p :) | 22:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | i'm dense qwerty12_N800 draw me a map. what were you joking about? | 22:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | about the aah thing, I'm as confused as you are | 22:18 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol...it's nice here huh? | 22:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | confusion cafe I mean | 22:19 |
| RST38x | Why does it lag so much? =(] | 22:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | :D | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol :D | 22:19 |
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| liquid217 | the bluetooth packets are carried by little invisible ants to your tablet | 22:23 |
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| liquid217 | are you using an igo stowaway? | 22:24 |
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| liquid217 | thinking about getting one | 22:24 |
| RST38x | Looks like these ants are on drugs | 22:25 |
| RST38x | Using Apple BT kbd | 22:25 |
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| RST38x | Really nice, except for a little dent on the aluminium casing that was there when I unpacked it | 22:25 |
| liquid217 | oic | 22:25 |
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| RST38x | I think it is prediction that makes it slow | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, it might be, ive got identical apple bt keyboard (i think, the mini one) i get no noticable lag, though occasionally it will repeat a string of letters. | 22:32 |
| RST38x | No, prediction is not to blame. And I moved Cell phone to a different room, so it is not interfering. | 22:33 |
| RST38x | Weird | 22:33 |
| lcuk | its like it stutters when cpu gets busy on the device - normally im just typing and it will gggggo loads even though i dont type for longer | 22:33 |
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| RST38x | Plugged in bt headphones. Let us see if it stutters.... | 22:41 |
| RST38x | Well, headphones stutter but not the keyboard =0 | 22:41 |
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| ralann | hey | 22:48 |
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| ralann | so how often do you all find yourselves rebooting your n810? | 22:48 |
| RST38bis | Now, this feels much faster | 22:48 |
| ralann | :D | 22:48 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i did today for omweather, it was the first time it at least a few weeks | 22:48 |
| RST38bis | It looks like Pidgin was the main problem - it does not like too much text | 22:49 |
| ralann | omweather was giving me trouble this week | 22:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea, weather.com changed their rss feed url or something | 22:49 |
| ralann | i find a bunch of flash on the web makes it act sluggish for a while | 22:49 |
| ralann | magicrobotmonkey: is it working again | 22:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 22:50 |
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| ralann | i actually turned it off | 22:50 |
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| ralann | k | 22:50 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | on a plane, you can probably use it in offline mode, right? | 22:51 |
| ralann | i would hope so | 22:51 |
| ralann | you can use laptops | 22:51 |
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| RST38bis | You can even use phones, just don't show them off | 22:54 |
| ralann | heh | 22:54 |
| ralann | so i hear | 22:54 |
| ralann | i watched somebody live stream takeoff via evdo | 22:55 |
| RST38bis | The "interference with avionics" is mostly a myth not supported by evidence | 22:55 |
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| ralann | i hear it was a ploblem with OLD phones, but not newer ones | 22:55 |
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| ralann | omweather still hates me | 22:58 |
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| balrog-kun | i heard it was a potential risk and confirming it or rejecting would take some expensive experiments and time, | 22:59 |
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| balrog-kun | so the first airlines prohibited phones on board and other followed, now some of the more expensive airlines have done the tests and allow cell phones, but the results can't be reused by all airlines immediately | 23:00 |
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| RST38bis | The idea is not to let passengers use phones. The idea is to charge them money for it! | 23:09 |
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| ralann | grrrrrrrr | 23:11 |
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| balrog-kun | and spy on them! | 23:12 |
| ralann | still can't get the weather to work | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | ralann, have you tried doing a raindance? | 23:28 |
| ralann | heh | 23:28 |
| ralann | weather says i have an invalid location | 23:29 |
| ralann | last i chacked i was on earth | 23:29 |
| lcuk | not that i disbelieve you, but can you back up that statement? | 23:29 |
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| ralann | mmmm, no | 23:30 |
| lcuk | therefore if you cannot confirm you are on earth how the heck is the computer meant to suss it out for you? | 23:30 |
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| ralann | i dunno | 23:30 |
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| RST38bis | ralann: have you downloaded new package from 8xx.com? | 23:30 |
| RST38bis | ralann: you have to install updated omweather | 23:31 |
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| RST38bis | It is available from http://n8xx.com/message-10046.html | 23:31 |
| RST38bis | Download, install, reboot, enjoy | 23:31 |
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| ralann | thx, no wonder i didn't find it... i don't speak russian | 23:35 |
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| RST38bis | it's ok, just download the .deb | 23:36 |
| RST38bis | ignore the rest | 23:36 |
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| ralann | http://translate.google.com/ is my friend | 23:37 |
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| RST38bis | Friends like these can be treacherous | 23:38 |
| ralann | yes | 23:38 |
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| Silicium | hi there | 23:39 |
| ralann | hi | 23:39 |
| Silicium | anyone know about ubuntu at n800? | 23:39 |
| Silicium | iam searching for the flash image | 23:39 |
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| RST38bis | Silicum: Continue searching, man! | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | search and destroy! | 23:41 |
| RST38bis | Image is nothing. Thirst is everything! | 23:41 |
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| ralann | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html | 23:43 |
| Silicium | thx | 23:43 |
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| ralann | dunno if it's right | 23:44 |
| ralann | lol | 23:44 |
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| flo_lap | Silicium: found an image? | 23:45 |
| Silicium | nope | 23:45 |
| * flo_lap gave up | 23:45 | |
| Silicium | doesnt exist :) | 23:45 |
| Silicium | so there are only a few packages already ported | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | probably someone found and destroyed already | 23:46 |
| Silicium | so i need to compile it from scrapt | 23:46 |
| Silicium | scratch | 23:46 |
| Silicium | err from repository | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | compile from scrap, not bad | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
| Silicium | :D | 23:46 |
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| RST38bis | sounds like a plan! | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | green software? | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. recycled) | 23:48 |
| Silicium | what you can do is, boot maemo, install a new bootloader and then chroot the ubuntu on a mmc card | 23:48 |
| Silicium | so is a lot of work | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 23:48 |
| jldiaz | gnit | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | i'm booting from mmc already | 23:48 |
| Silicium | thats no problem | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | and it wasn't much of a work | 23:49 |
| Silicium | the problem is, build ubuntu from scratch | 23:49 |
| ralann | maybe try #ubuntu-mobile | 23:49 |
| jldiaz | there is a way of having midi music in scummvm? in particular for "The secret of Monkey Island" | 23:49 |
| Silicium | mhm | 23:50 |
| jldiaz | I can hear the sound effects but not the music | 23:50 |
| Silicium | probably not defaulty | 23:50 |
| RST38bis | You should definitely get a computing farm made of N810s for this | 23:50 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | a mobile cluster | 23:51 |
| Silicium | jldiaz: you need rosegarden or equal | 23:51 |
| RST38bis | That is what Canonical uses to compile Ubuntu for Nokia. | 23:51 |
| Silicium | lol :D | 23:51 |
| ralann | heh | 23:51 |
| Silicium | i want to run OpenBSD on it | 23:51 |
| jldiaz | Silicium: timidity? there is a maemon port? | 23:51 |
| RST38bis | But look at the bright side: after all this trouble you will get a really free operating system, free like Richard Stallman! | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | i think i have compiled timidity | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember if it was working though, probably yes | 23:52 |
| Silicium | RST38bis: ubuntu is shithole | 23:52 |
| Silicium | Debian or Gentoo are free | 23:52 |
| RST38bis | eh? | 23:52 |
| Silicium | ubuntu is a commercial fork | 23:52 |
| RST38bis | Ah, that way...Yes, definitely | 23:52 |
| jldiaz | oh, btw, I was trying to compile myself omweather | 23:52 |
| Silicium | with many properitary drivers on it | 23:53 |
| RST38bis | Compile HURD then - real Gnu OS | 23:53 |
| Silicium | hurd on N800 | 23:53 |
| Silicium | :D | 23:53 |
| RST38bis | jldiaz: scroll up, find n8xx.com address, download from there, install, reboot, enjoy | 23:53 |
| Silicium | maybe i will install for playing Duke Nukem Forever | 23:53 |
| NullM0dem | jldiaz: which version of monkey island ? i have music on version 3 | 23:53 |
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| RST38bis | jldiaz: the forum is in russian, so just look for the link to a deb file | 23:53 |
| jldiaz | but configure complains about liblocation | 23:53 |
| * RST38bis read "configure complains about lubrication" and wondered. | 23:54 | |
| jldiaz | NullM0dem: version 1. I also have music in other games | 23:54 |
| ralann | heh | 23:54 |
| jldiaz | heh | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 23:55 |
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| jldiaz | I cant find any liblocation package, though | 23:56 |
| NullM0dem | jldiaz: The versions i use have the sountracks in mp3 | 23:56 |
| jldiaz | cd version then | 23:56 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 23:56 |
| NullM0dem | i think timidity will convert midi to mp3 | 23:57 |
| NullM0dem | as 1 did not have a cd version if i remember right | 23:57 |
| ralann | anyway, thx for the help | 23:58 |
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