IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-05-08

AStormlcuk: a fun mod would be N810 with a wooden finish00:01
KotCzarnyhe already has it00:01
AStormanother I tthought of is waterproofing00:01
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lcukwaterproofing would be tough00:01
KotCzarnylcuk: plastic bag with a zipper?00:02
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AStormI was talking, a mod of N81000:02
lcukok, waterproofing that doesnt involve putting 810 into a condom and tying a knot00:02
AStormnot additional stand00:02
AStormlcuk: simple really00:02
AStormadd some rubber00:02
AStormkeys are already waterproof00:03
KotCzarnyand a vibration?00:03
lcukif 810 had a grippy rubberised surface to begin with i would never have made my crate00:03
AStormlcuk: no tools t mould one?00:03
NullM0demI have some material from an old JCpenny shoe bag... some sort of thick clear plastic, i can type and use the touch screen, the trick would be waterproofing the seems00:03
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lcuknot worth it - i wouldnt go back to a plain device now - the thing i use is much better cos its a wrist rest and biffer handles etc00:04
AStormand very pocketable...00:04
lcukits not exactly locked in there00:04
lcuktough super kensington  rubber band00:05
AStormI'll replace the kickstand with a hard rubber variant00:05
lcuki wanted a wrist strap for mine00:05
lcukbut theres no lanyard hole00:05
AStormblah, who cares00:05
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AStormuse the kickstand00:06
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lcukits not fat enough - i like your idea of a rubber version00:06
OnianoI'm having some trouble compiling example_camera.c00:06
AStormlcuk: use it as a handguard00:06
AStormnot a handle00:07
lcuki tried but it pressed against back of hand and was just plain uncomfy00:07
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AStormbecause of sharp edges, I'll fix that00:07
lcuki ended up hanging a hand towel through it and holding the bunch00:07
lcuki missed having something to hold onto when i got this00:07
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AStormgreek utf00:13
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Cptnodegardthat wood thing looks liek the one i made yesterday00:15
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Cptnodegardfigured i might as well use the space that the screen stand uses for something sueful00:16
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KotCzarnyi would have added disco lights too00:17
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KotCzarnyand removed winxp00:17
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Cptnodegardi already got a home made jukebox for disco lights00:17
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n800nit's from the freakin future00:23
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jotti wonder how many weather apps broke the last days... (it does not work with prod=xoap anymore)00:26
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jottthat's what you get for not using your private weather station00:30
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KotCzarnythat's what you get for living in a basement00:33
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NullM0demheh i live in a basement too00:34
jotthey, that's why wireless communication was invented00:35
NullM0demanyone know of a good replacement for the camera app, mine locks up my n810, and causes the status light to go red00:35
KotCzarnymencoder ?00:35
NullM0demah thanks00:35
lcuklol - the red light is when its taking a picture isnt it00:36
lcukbut on yours it locks?00:36
NullM0demi can pipe to it?00:36
NullM0demyeah for about 4 minutes till i attach power, then it snaps out of it to display the charging message00:36
NullM0demthats the only event that will unfreeze the nit00:37
jldiazOMweather broke00:37
NaviYeah, we know.00:37
jottjldiaz: see above ;)00:37
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practisevoodooanyone here got scummvm on their device?00:38
PHiiilHi i need help for nokia 77000:38
jott <- fix is as simple as that00:39
jldiazyes, I was backscrolling but I can't get the start of the topic00:39
* jott fixed his private weather app too :)00:39
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jldiazPHiiil: ask :)00:40
jottpractisevoodoo: i have scummvm installed00:40
PHiiilI like to install the theme for n80000:41
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PHiiilThe same you can see on internet tablet talk00:42
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n800n45,598 pictures on my n80000:42
n800nand none of it porn00:42
n800ncool eh?00:42
KotCzarnyyeah, sure00:42
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lcuknice small folders or massive monolithic monsters00:43
jldiazis it possible to use python for coding applets for the Home screen?00:43
lcukyou found anything reasonable for browsing them yet00:43
jottjldiaz: ye00:43
jottquiver is quite ok for browsing pictures00:43
n800nquiver is the best one00:44
lcukwhat format are most00:44
n800ni wish it had a shortcut to turn images in full screen00:44
n800njpg and gif00:44
jldiazthen I'll try to do a currency tracker00:44
lcuki ask because the lcd is very adept at handling YUV images - jpegs are naturally that :)00:45
jldiazI need to be daily informed of the yen exchange00:45
n800nthey're beautiful00:45
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n800non this screen00:45
lcukKotCzarny :) another bonus there actually, can strip out the entire yuv->rgb filtering for jpegs00:46
jottn800n: press l to rotate :)00:46
n800ni don't have an l :/00:47
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KotCzarnyn800n: map hw +/- to r/l00:47
lcukl=left i think00:47
jldiazn800n: use wiicontrol and add that shorcut00:47
KotCzarnyor dpad00:47
n800nok now we're getting a little out of hand00:47
jottyeah r for right rotation ;)00:47
jldiazbesides, it should be cool to browse photos with the remote00:48
Naviglue the wiimote to the back of your N8X000:48
n800ni'll try it in a sec but i think the dpad in full screen just goes to the next pic00:48
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Navithen you can rotate by accelerometer00:48
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NaviWe'll be that much closer to iPhone perfection00:48
jldiaznavi :)00:48
n800nyeah that'll look really classy00:48
jldiaznavi, i did that for playing marble madness on fceu00:48
lcukjust how small is an accell?  could one be made to utilise the serial port on back under battery?00:49
NaviI'm not sure how big the smallest accelerometer is00:49
Navibut they can get pretty small00:50
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n800nwhoa numpty physics would be so cool with that thingy00:51
jottenigma should be nice too (as seen on the site ;)00:52
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SaviqNumpty is already so cool ;]00:52
KotCzarnyusing it as a text-input device would be interesting00:52
jottKotCzarny: enigma style? ;)00:53
KotCzarnydasher style00:53
jott"oh no! i missed again"00:53
n800nthat kicks ass00:53
jottyeah dasher could be funny00:54
n800nyeah no flip key on quiver00:54
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n800nu/d = l/r00:54
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Saviqjott: thanks a lot, you got my omweather working for the first time :D (I got my n800 just yesterday)01:12
jldiazeh? how?01:13
jldiaz(sorry but scrolling back now is not an option)01:13
pupnikit'd be nice if linux had been designed from the ground up to allow save states of any program01:14
KotCzarnypupnik: hibernation ?01:14
jottimplementation detail?! :P01:15
pupnikyes per-app hibernation - save to disk.01:15
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KotCzarnyi think that's doable01:15
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pupnikit seems to me you can't just do that with a kernel hack01:15
SaviqYeah I wonder when suspend/hibernation'll be available on the n8x001:15
jottthere is cryopid :)01:16
pupnikyour whole UI needs to support a 'restore'. your peripheral drivers perhaps too01:16
pupnikgtk/hildon etc01:16
jldiazdoes maemo allow the gnome inputh method for unicode chars? (shft+ctrl+u)01:16
KotCzarnypupnik: there is minimization, that unmaps windows etc01:16
jottbut i suppose its x86/amd64 only01:17
pupnikgood point KotCzarny01:17
pupnikduno jldiaz01:17
pupnikyeah i looked at cryopid.01:17
MangoFusionits going to be available....01:21
MangoFusionthe day after....01:21
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MangoFusionthe release of....01:21
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MangoFusionDuke Nukem Forever!01:21
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pupnik"John Carmack mentioned in his keynote at QuakeCon 2007 that the id Tech 5 engine will be OpenGL based, not requiring [microsoft] DirectX 10."  Carmack is a god.01:23
KotCzarnywasn't he fired by id?01:25
KotCzarnyor at least moved away from quake series01:25
glassid tech 5 engine could be used for whatever01:26
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JonKotCzarny: carmack fired from id?!? he owns it!01:37
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NullM0demjobs was fired from apple, he owned it too01:40
dougtso, i am setting up a page loading test on the n810 so that I can gather automated performance data against the mozilla browser.01:41
dougtI would like to be able to run a httpd server on the device to minimize network traffic noise01:41
dougtany suggestions on a good httpd for n810.01:42
dougti was hoping to use apache, but that doesn't seem to have been ported.01:42
KotCzarnydougt: should compile i guess01:42
dougtit should.01:42
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KotCzarnyi can try building it for you if you want01:43
dougti would rather not have to do that.01:43
MangoFusionlighttpd, nginx are two "lightweight" options01:43
dougthave you used either?01:43
* KotCzarny uses thttpd01:44
dougti use lighttpd at home for a media server01:44
MangoFusiononly the former. on a vps.01:44
MangoFusionpretty easy to compile though01:45
lcdduse file:// handler? :)01:47
dougtlcdd: yeah, but then we are not exercising the most common code path.01:48
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MajMin7anyone around?02:20
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MajMin7does the N810 have a microphone?02:20
MajMin7oh nice02:20
MajMin7there is an api to capture sound?02:21
MajMin7is that what that is?02:21
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dolskedougt: run the JS HTTP server that we already use for Mochitests?02:21
MajMin7what is gstreamer?02:22
KotCzarnyjust google for it02:22
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MajMin7did that02:22
MajMin7is this part of the Maemo sdk?02:22
MajMin7there it is02:23
dougtdolske:  that is an idea.02:26
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dougti got Nginx working02:27
dougtnow I am running into a problem where python2.5 is being "terminated"02:27
dougti am guessing it has somethign to do with the shell being not-bash.02:27
dolskeyou'd have to ask Waldo how it compared in performance to a "real" http server, but for relative perf measurements/tests I'd expect it to be ok...02:27
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dougti only care about relative page speed -- catching regressions, realizing perf gain.02:28
dougtkeeping the server constant is the important factor.02:28
dougt"Terminate" is not from my python code.02:29
t_s_ough, just watched a video of opera mobile 4.5 on the htc advantage over at and if diablo do not bring some speed improvements to microb i would say nokia have seriously dropped the ball...02:34
wnightDoes anyone have libreadline-ruby? irb is hard to use without it.02:35
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KotCzarny'hot gadget' ?02:38
KotCzarnyi can understand 'hot' part, but 'gadget' ?02:39
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Livingroomoh em gee02:52
Livingroomi finally found you guys!02:52
flo_laphi Livingroom02:53
GeneralAntillesI prefer the bedroom.02:53
Livingroomso, i just got my n800 today02:53
Livingroomand i'm like rockin' out02:53
Livingroomit would be hard to overstate my satisfaction with this device.02:54
Livingroomespecially now that i've got it tethered to my iphone. thats the epic win right there, baby.02:54
Livingroomi actually came here to ask: how do i install nano/pico/etc02:55
Livingroommany of the tools i'm used to on debian and ubuntu are not present :(02:55
KotCzarnyfind/compile it yourself02:55
Livingroomthat sounds like a job for...   GCC!02:56
* flo_lap -> bed, good night02:56
Livingroomalso, whoever created that motd, i love you. 50 sources FTW02:56
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Livingroomi went there, it was epic awesome02:57
GeneralAntillesIt has all the repositories02:57
GeneralAntillesand is searchable02:57
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Livingroomwedge, it's wonderful :)02:58
Livingroomi look forward to many thousands of hours of tweaking my newest *nix box.02:58
GeneralAntillesin particular, the repo should have nano02:58
Livingroomfreakin' sweet03:01
Livingroomfreakin sweet man03:01
Livingroomthis is just so freakin sweet03:01
Livingroomyou have no idea how euphoric i am right now over the incredible l33tness of this device03:01
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Livingroomare there any howtos on how to make applications run from "internal memory" to free up the 128m ?03:08
Livingroomthe internal sd card i guess is what i mean03:08
KotCzarnysearch for: clone to mmc (or sd)03:09
KotCzarnyor just clone os03:09
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Livingroomwow, that looks comlicated03:10
KotCzarnynot really03:10
KotCzarnyif i think what this link is then it's for not-linux savvy people03:11
Livingroomit's for the nonsavvy03:11
Livingroomi'm faily savvy, but still looks like alot of steps where something might go wrong03:11
KotCzarny1/ install/configure fanoush initfs03:11
KotCzarny2/ format card03:11
KotCzarny3/ copy files03:12
NullM0demAnyone know of a developer tutorial for creating widgets for maemo?03:12
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Livingroomare there any programs for the webcam, to like auto-upload, or maybe you can connect straight to the device and watch the cam stream live?03:18
Livingroomsomething other than the video chat :(03:18
KotCzarnymencoder ?03:19
Livingroomthat looks like for watching streams on the device, rather than from another device03:20
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NullM0demmencoder encodes streams03:24
NullM0demthat reminds me i need to look that up :003:25
Livingroombut, does the camera have a stream source though?03:25
KotCzarnystream source?03:27
KotCzarnyit's presented as a v4l2 device03:27
KotCzarnyv4l1 if you find/recompile03:28
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Livingroomis it possible to useradd users? i did so, but it failed to set permissions or create a home directory :(04:00
GeneralAntillesIt's a single user system04:00
GeneralAntillesAdding users is a recipe for things breaking.04:00
benhsomebody knows if one can launch a control panel by script ?04:01
benhor  maybe I should just do a wrapper app that loads the .so and pops the panel04:01
benhas I really don't want the whole CP app ...04:02
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benhsomebody knows how I can pop up a dialog in front of everybody from an app launched in a shell script ?04:20
benhie, without creating a hildon window etc...04:20
KotCzarnytry pygtk?04:20
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benhnah, I'm in C :-)04:21
benhif I just do a gtkdialog with NULL as a parent, things blow up at runtime04:21
KotCzarny<benh> (...) shell script ?04:21
benhcan i do a child of a root device ?04:21
benhnah, my app runs my control panel04:21
KotCzarnydecide if you are in c or in shell script04:21
benhbasically, I'm doing a control panel to configure the bluetooth PAN paired device04:21
benhI want the connect script to be able to fire up my control panel's dialog when trying to connect and it's never been configured before04:22
benhso I did a little C app that the script launches04:22
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benhthat dlopen the CP and executes it04:22
benhbut I'm a bit illiterate as far as gtk & hildon are concerned04:22
benhthe CP expects to get the parent window as an argument, which is fine if you are running from a full blown app04:22
benhbut here, I don't want a window... i want to pop up in front of everything04:23
KotCzarnycreate invisible window?04:23
benhso maybe be a child of the root window if there is such a thing ? or create an invisible window and be child of it ?04:23
KotCzarnydesktop is a root window i think04:23
benhheh, that might work .. .though probably not a hildonwindow or I'll end up in the task list right ?04:23
benhright but how do I get to it programmatically ?04:23
KotCzarnyi usually rip code from other apps04:24
benhheh, ok, now I need to find another app that does that :-)04:24
benhie, popping dialogs from background processes/services that have no app window04:24
KotCzarnystatusbar applets?04:24
benhyeah, maybe, good point04:25
benhtho they are sb applets so they might get passed the RW by the status bar app... I'll have a look04:25
Livingroomholy shit!04:25
Livingroomit looks awesome04:25
benhLivingroom: it is :-) especially coupled with ssh -D04:26
benhthe best way to get out of any corporate jail provided you get ssh :-)04:26
Livingroomhere's the thing04:26
Livingroommy iphone, right? ipfw was only just ported, it's really buggy, doesnt work right04:26
Livingroombut! tinyproxy works fine04:26
Livingroomso i can browse through my iphone's wifi out to the Edge connection04:26
Livingroomeffectively, tsocks will make it so that all my other apps can use ths socks proxy, right?04:26
Livingroomor am i misunderstanding?04:28
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benhhrm.. it would help if I initialized gtk in the first place !04:34
Livingroomhere's a hard one: why does rdesktop quit as soon as i press ok?04:35
benhok, so creating a hildon program, a hildon window, and not making it visible seems to work04:35
Livingroomit never actually connects04:35
benhonce I've inited grk04:35
benhnow let's try not doing the first 2 steps :-)04:35
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benhthat works too :-)04:36
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Livingroomhave ya'll ever used rdesktop? it doesnt want to work for me- quits when i press ok04:39
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benhallright, now I should probably display/store the BT device name rather than just the MAC address :-)04:41
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benhthe later is a bit user unfriendly04:41
benhand hopefully Martin will do a new release with the patch04:42
KotCzarnyencoding mac in a pixmap can be fun04:42
benhnow, I'll let others deal with the aspects of setting up the PAN gateway on the laptop, that's a different kind of nightmare :-)04:42
Livingroomwhat are you creating?04:43
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SDuensinHi lopz04:50
Livingroomwoot got rdesktop working04:51
benhLivingroom: improving the UI for maemo-pan04:54
benhnow I need an icon for the control panel04:55
benhLivingroom: and learning a bit about gtk & maemo while at it :-)04:55
benhwhat is this icon format in the deb control file ?04:55
benhany way I can turn that back into a .png or such ?04:55
Livingroomi have absoloutely no idea :(04:56
Livingroomi assume maemo-pan is some sort of BT connectivity thingy?04:56
benha cute hack to add support for BT PAN for networking04:56
benh(ie. ethernet over BT)04:57
benhvery handy04:57
benhversion 1.0 only really connects to PAN enabled phones04:57
Livingroomi c04:57
benhthere's a patch on garage to add some basic support for selecting any device but you can do that only once, it sucks a bit04:57
benhand I've picked that up and added a control panel04:57
Livingroomanyone wanna ssh into my n800? :P04:58
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Livingroomok so05:06
Livingroomhow do i use mencoder to stream a v4l2 device?05:06
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mikedep333hey, the Eee 900s are available in the US05:11
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Livingroomwhy buy an eee though? underpowered, etc05:11
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mikedep333I'd rather not get into the subnotebook vs internet tablet argument. They serve different purposes.05:12
Livingroomwell, yes05:12
Livingroombut still, i'm not keen on the Eee's05:12
mikedep333what I will say is that it beats its competitors05:12
mikedep333namely, this05:13
KotCzarnyi prefer ibm x3205:13
KotCzarnybigger screen05:13
mikedep333and I am overall happy with my HP tx1000z 12.1-inch tablet PC05:14
KotCzarny12" is nearly optimal05:14
KotCzarnyfor travel05:14
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mikedep333and I will be very happy with it once this comes out05:14
mikedep333it will let me hook up an external graphics card via the expresscard|34 slot05:15
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dick-richardsonDRM is crap05:51
GeneralAntillesdick-richardson, is this a new realization? :P05:52
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dick-richardsonGeneralAntilles: no, merely a reiteration ;)05:55
GeneralAntilles"Never forget!"05:55
KotCzarnyyour reader is simply not approved05:55
shaprRemember DRM is all about treating the customer like a criminal.05:55
KotCzarnyand you can be not approved too if you insist05:56
GeneralAntillesI'm waiting for them to issue Best Buy cashiers truncheons05:56
shaprThe best solution to DRM is ...05:56
shaprlearn an instrument, make music with your friends...05:56
GeneralAntillesOr just find yourself some indies.05:56
dick-richardsonthe solution is hackers :D05:56
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GeneralAntillesVote with your wallet05:57
GeneralAntillesgive money to the people who don't use DRM05:57
dick-richardsonalthough a more discerning taste in music will generally lead you to artists that are a little more cerebral and therefore release music drm-free05:57
dick-richardsonexactly...I love amazon05:58
KotCzarnyor simply release it free05:58
KotCzarnyand only accept 'donations'05:58
dick-richardsonNIN style...ghosts i-iv is really good, but then I had been a music major and enjoy that esoteric style05:59
KotCzarnybut that's an option only for those already known05:59
shaprI spend my time on jamendo.com06:00
shaprLots of high quality cc music there.06:00
dick-richardsoncreative commons, beautiful06:00
shaprdick-richardson: I like Stockhausen, I can handle esoteric!06:00
dick-richardsonlol! yes. yes you can06:01
dick-richardsonI still haven't matured enough that I can get through a Stockhausen composition w/o snickering06:02
shaprHis more accessible stuff is just him playing one part at a time of an entire work.06:05
shaprIt makes sense when you put all the pieces together.06:05
shaprReminds me of the 'discover your own variation' sort of compositions mentioned in Godel Escher Bach.06:06
shaprdick-richardson: Also, it has nothing to do with maturity.. if you like it, that's all that matter. If you think it's stupid, dump it!06:07
KotCzarnyi just listen to what currently suits my mood06:08
shaprI've also noticed that music that's fun to play can be entirely different from music that's fun to hear.06:08
dick-richardsonTrombone was my instrument...I can relate. Often the more physical the peice the more I enjoyed performing it06:08
shaprI started learning guitar recently (at the age of 36) but I've appreciated music for a long time.06:09
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timelyNavi: how goes it?06:31
GeneralAntillesNavi fails hard.06:32
unixSnobsomeone mentioned NIN.. they are actually giving away their latest album right now, free06:33
unixSnobcheck out tuesdays deals at if you want it06:34
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dick-richardsonI don't like 'The Slip' as much as 'Ghosts I-IV'06:38
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* unixSnob wonders if any maemo gps implementations have integrated with zillow06:40
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timelyNavi: so did you manage to get the script(s) to work? :)06:43
timely:( sorry06:44
timelyi should try them again06:44
NaviNot completely sure how to use them06:44
NaviThere are only three lines of instructions :P06:44
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timelyi think that you basically run the script on your device06:45
timelyand then copy the result to a normal debian system06:45
timelyand run the pl script06:45
unixSnobdamn.. nin is really policing these downoads06:45
NaviYeah, that's what I did06:46
unixSnobtimely: Zillow is a public database of the housing market, open to the public06:46
NaviI modified with the prefix of the rss metapackage, ran it06:46
KotCzarnyunixsnob: then use bittorrent?06:46
Navicopied the tar over to my sb06:46
Naviran the perl script06:46
timelyi suspect you need to extract the tarball06:47
unixSnobtimely: the Dash GPS has been integrated with zillow, so as you drive past a house, you get the specs on last selling price, beds, baths, sq.ft. etc06:47
timelyunless the perl script does that for you :)06:47
* timely obviously has no memory of the scripts06:47
NaviI'll try it again after libjpeg finishes compiling06:48
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unixSnobI wonder if nin is testing watermarks on the public here.. each person gets a code to download06:50
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Navitimely, you're right06:52
timelyseems like that'd be w/in there right06:52
Naviit needed to be untarred06:52
unixSnobKotCzarny: if my download fails I will switch to BT.. but I want to at least try to follow the rules here, since nin was generous enough to give their tunes away06:52
Navipackages were generated06:52
timelyNavi: i suppose i should improve the script so it looks for the tarball and considers unpacking it06:53
KotCzarnyunixsnob: aren't they seeding too?06:53
timelythe tar was just to make it a lot easier to get the "files" off the "device"06:53
Livingroomguys, is there no way to video conference with a pc?06:53
Navitimely, It's not hard to nearly automate the entire process either06:53
Livingroomthe n800 doesnt seem to talk to any desktop client when it comes to video.06:53
timelyNavi: yeah06:53
unixSnobI have no idea.. but it seems they want some control over where the downloads go, because everyone has to enter a code to get the download06:54
Navitimely, <- Bundyo generated an Opera deb06:54
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GeneralAntillesLivingroom, Gizmo or aMSN06:55
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timelyNavi: as i write repeatedly, you can't legally do that06:56
timelyin fact, i suspect even nokia can't06:57
Navitimely, heh06:57
Navitimely, someone should intervene :P06:57
timelyi think i'd rather not get involved06:58
timelyi don't want to be seen as a bad guy06:58
NaviOh, well then I'll do it06:58
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timelyfwiw, i think there's actually a comment from the HE people explaining that they can't06:59
timelythe wiki page doesn't say that07:00
timelythe archive page does07:00
benhhrm... selecting Bluetooth PAN twice hard reboots the tablet07:01
timelythat page mentions it fairly clearly07:01
timelyi'm not going to quote... but it's there07:01
Livingroomnext question, where can i find an onboard encoder for the v4l2 device?07:01
timelybasically Opera is a company, and they sell licenses to products07:02
timelythey also pay lawyers to write decent/reasonable licenses07:02
timelya customer (that's not an end user), decides to pay Opera to use their product in a certain product on a certain device. This involves a licensing fee for that product/device pair most likely per unit.07:03
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timelyA new OS, or a new device would need a new license and a new fee (most likely per unit) and that doesn't count lawyer costs :)07:03
timelyand seriously, this is how Opera's business works. no one should blame Opera for this07:04
NaviNah, I understand.07:04
timelythe developers at Opera have a right to try to earn enough money to buy pizza so they can feed their family07:04
timelyand hopefully something other than pizza...07:04
KotCzarnygreat reason to drop the product and move to free one?07:04
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timelyKotCzarny: I was hired to work on microb07:05
KotCzarnybut microb itself doesn't impose limits on what it can be installed?07:05
timelyand no, I think you'll find it's not quite as great of a reason as you think07:05
NaviWhat was the reason?07:05
timelymicrob? no07:05
timelybut the license for the flash images does :)07:05
timelyyou can of course build microb yourself w/o licensing issue :)07:06
KotCzarnyso one can make downloadable .deb ?07:06
timelyin fact, the browser team has at times07:06
timelyalthough anyone else could07:06
timelybe careful, i have no idea if microb has any (tm) or similar bits07:06
timelynote that "Firefox" does have such guards07:06
timelynot just anyone can make a "Firefox" unless it's 100% pure07:07
NaviYou just can't brand it Firefox07:07
timelysimilarly, I can't go off and make an "Ubuntu" or a "Red Hat"07:07
timelyNavi: oh, I can make a Minefield07:07
KotCzarnyfirefox imposes limiting on distributing 'official branded' packages compiled by not mozilla itself07:07
NaviIndeed yo ucan07:07
timelyor an Ice Ape, or ...07:07
timelyKotCzarny: right07:07
KotCzarnybut if you don't name it firefox etc. you can do what you want07:07
NaviIce Weasel, etc etc07:07
timelywell, not precisely07:07
timelyif you don't include the branding and don't call it Firefox, you can do what you like07:08
timelythe brand is two parts, a name and the corresponding art07:08
KotCzarnyyeah, that's what i meant07:08
timelytake both, or leave both07:08
timelynote: i was intimately involved in that07:08
pupnikgot pics?07:08
NaviWere you?07:08
KotCzarnyleaving out --official-branding or something07:08
timelya large portion of it is my fault07:08
timelyNavi: yeah07:08
timelyremember, i'm a mozilla developer first and foremost07:09
timelyi just happen to work for nokia today07:09
NaviI actually didn't know that07:09
timelynote that the original blame lies w/ the debian distros for doing things that are totally evil07:09
NaviGeneralAntilles never got around to telling me07:09
timelybut let's not go there07:09
timelyironically, what we're doing at nokia is worse07:09
timelywe have many more bad patches than the debian distros had07:10
timelysometimes I hate my life :)07:10
timelybut we did one very important thing!07:10
timelywe didn't call our product Firefox!07:10
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timelynor do we use their art :)07:10
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KotCzarnydebfox ?07:10
timelyso at least i can sleep at night :)07:10
KotCzarnyfiredeb ?07:10
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rm_youiceweasel? :P07:10
KotCzarnynokfox ?07:11
Navirm_you, that's a stupid name07:11
timelymicrob, silly people07:11
NaviWho the hell uses that?07:11
* rm_you gives two cheers for #debian-legal07:11
timelyKotCzarny: fwiw the protections petty much prevent the variations you've mentioned07:11
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timelyand i suspect that the *deb* variants are actually forbidden by the debian side too :)07:11
timelyactually, for more interesting stories about this, see *Zilla07:12
KotCzarnyi have no problem in using unbranded software as long it's 100% the same (excluding branding parts)07:12
timelymost variants are owned by the Godzilla people07:12
NaviDebian variants have guidelines they need to follow07:12
timelyand they generally try fairly hard to police it07:12
timelyKotCzarny: debian packages IME are never 100% the same07:13
NaviUbuntu broke 'em for a span when it first came out, I think.07:13
KotCzarnywho the fsck is mo? (as in mozilla? ;)07:13
timelyit's a question of how divergent they are07:13
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timelysome patches are just integration, but i've seen more very evil patches than any dev should ever see in his (or her) life07:13
Navitimely, I sent a PM to him07:14
timelyanyway... let's not go there07:14
timelyNavi: appreciated07:14
NaviNo problem07:14
timelyfwiw, lawyers really aren't bad people. they have a job to do07:15
timelyand they try their best07:15
timelynow law makers. that's a different story :)07:15
NaviI've played enough Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney to know that07:15
KotCzarnyand for navi, for playing too much stupid games.. boot to the head!07:16
NaviPhoenix Wright is a great game.07:16
KotCzarnygame is a game07:16
NaviDid you miss the joke?07:17
KotCzarnybecause i have never played it07:17
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timely> In the sequels to the Phoenix Wright story of the Ace Attorney series, Manfred's daughter, Franziska; another prosecuting prodigy who became a prosecutor at the age of 13.07:19
timelyNavi: can you fix that sentence?07:19
timelyit's missing... some essential elements of a sentence07:20
timelynot having played the game, i have no idea how to fix it07:20
NaviIn the Heh07:21
NaviFix the Wikipedia article?07:21
timelyjust that one sentence07:21
timelydon't spend your life there :)07:22
NaviMakin' me do stuff that I never do :P07:22
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n800ni think my flash plugin b0rke07:23
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KotCzarnyyou can find flv version too07:23
timelyn800n: click the magnifying glass in the urlbar07:23
timelyclick components/plugins07:23
timelyis flash enabled?07:23
NaviThat sentence doesn't even really belong there07:23
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Livingroomguys, my built in e-mail app never downloads the messages; headers only. why is this?07:48
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pupnikgod is watching07:48
doc|homeKotCzarny: looks like a hoax07:48
KotCzarnydoc: any links?07:48
doc|homeKotCzarny: read the comments07:48
KotCzarnyahm, thesun07:49
GeneralAntillespupnik, he's such a creepy voyeur.07:49
KotCzarnydoc: still, i believe there are similiar stories in the world that could be real07:50
KotCzarnyknowing people's stupidity07:50
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Livingroomwhy doesnt my email program work. i hate it!07:57
GeneralAntillesBecause osso-email is shit?07:57
Livingroomit is07:57
Livingroomapt-getting clawmail now07:57
Livingroomis there a way i can change the default menus07:57
Livingroombecause all my apps are precategorized07:57
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Livingroomi want to move stuff around07:57
KotCzarnyyes, you can07:58
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KotCzarnyit's in the control panel07:58
KotCzarnyin panels->organize07:58
Navitimely, still around?07:58
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pupniki got ta showah!08:09
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NaviIt's funny when people say things like that08:09
Navi'cuz honestly, I'd just hate using a UI like Canola's all the time for everything (No offense to the Canola devs)08:10
Cptnodegardfoe everything yes, but not for media players08:10
NaviI like my media player interfaces simple and clean08:11
NaviI just fire up Canola once in a while to show off08:11
Cptnodegardi use it because of the feature. internet radio, photocast, podcasts, last.fm08:12
Cptnodegardthough i didnt use half those features before i started testing them for the article xD08:12
NaviThe one thing I love about Canola is the image viewer08:12
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NaviNot so much the whole library thing, but the responsiveness08:13
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NaviI didn't know you were a writer for anythingbutipod08:13
Cptnodegardi hide it well :p08:14
pupnikKotCzarny: ever check out that ?08:16
pupnikmaybe not right now08:16
KotCzarnydo they require logging on?08:16
KotCzarnywill it work with mpg123 ?08:16
pupnikbut there have been great mixes... cleaned out my brain08:16
pupniki used mplayer for 192kb/s08:16
pupnikbut right now is not my favorite mix08:17
KotCzarnyScarpomancy: Predict someone's future by studying their old shoes.08:18
pupnikbut for me it's very fresh, creative stuff, not tired and old08:18
Cptnodegardanyone know how to get a phone's bt mac address, for gnokii?08:19
KotCzarnyi liked cryosleep for some time08:20
KotCzarnycpt: hcitool ?08:20
KotCzarnyor just look under the cover08:20
KotCzarnyit's printed there afair08:20
KotCzarnyahm, phone's08:21
KotCzarnyyeah, enable bt on the phone and run bt scan08:21
Cptnodegardthe phone is lready paired with the n800... anywhere it says then?08:22
KotCzarnycpt: yes i think, don't remember the magic command though08:22
Cptnodegardnvm found it08:22
pupnikwhat is this stream called KotCzarny ?  sounds like Eno08:22
Cptnodegardunder "phone" in control panel xD08:22
KotCzarnyjust enter it to firefox08:22
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pupniki hear a big room08:23
pupnikmm it's nice thou08:23
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KotCzarnyyeah, but i stopped listening to it after a week08:23
KotCzarnylimited supply of tracks08:24
KotCzarnyfrom their site: Cryosleep - Zero Beat Guaranteed.08:24
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pupnikit's nicely done08:26
pupnikmy favorite serious ambient in the 90s was David Sylvian - Plight and Premonition, and Mimir - Mimiryiad08:26
pupniklights, and architecture, and spaces08:27
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pupniki sat on a park bench a few hours ago08:30
pupnikand i can still smell the perfume from the girl who sat there before me08:30
KotCzarnyi treat it like invading into my living space08:31
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pupnikyes.  true.  in this case, i like it and it gave a strange note to the evening08:32
KotCzarnylake and a sunset?08:32
pupniklike a ghost, or an encounter i didn't have08:32
pupnikreminds me of coming home after making out with a girl in high school08:32
pupniknot enough parameters given08:33
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KotCzarnyA University of Newcastle study found that women naturally opted for redder shades when given a choice.08:34
KotCzarnyWriting in the journal Current Biology, experts say it may have helped women gather ripe fruit, or pick healthy mates.08:34
Cptnodegardanyone here succesfully used phonelink?08:35
NaviDoesn't support my phone08:36
Cptnodegardit only supports the one in the dropdown list?08:36
NaviDon't remember08:36
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Cptnodegardif so it only seem to support nokia08:36
NaviLast I checked, gnokii didn't support s60v308:36
Cptnodegardi got a sony ericsson but i dont know what to select in the "phone model" list08:37
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pupnikyou read german?08:47
KotCzarnynope, but those are self explainable (proper word?)08:48
KotCzarnyi had german in high-school though08:48
pupniklots of work08:48
pupnikthere's something beautiful about a world where society has the left-over resources to make games08:49
KotCzarnydoc: that's the word, thx08:49
doc|homeno prob08:49
KotCzarnymy mind goes senile sometimes08:49
doc|homeI've had months of that :(08:49
pupnikit's all thanks to the division of labor doc|home08:50
doc|homeeh? :)08:50
KotCzarnypupnik: without games your mind would be crashed i think08:50
doc|homeI'm putting it down to lack of sleep and no real people to talk to :)08:50
pupnikwithout which we'd be scruffing to hunt or grow our food, each of us08:50
doc|homeand that I have to spend all day thinking things through (programming)08:50
pupnikand our womenfolk would be knitting clothes out of grasses and wool08:50
KotCzarnywe learn to play as kids08:50
doc|homeman. I'd be happy to *have* one of womenfolk :/08:51
KotCzarnyand it's hard to give up08:51
pupnikdo primitive societies have the ability to create works in which thousands of man-hours are spent making a game?08:51
pupnikno.  that's the miracle of money, capital and division of labor08:52
KotCzarnybut not many will play it08:52
pupnikno they can't.  it's not just technology.  it's the aggregation of human knowledge created by specilalization08:52
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Livingroomguys: if i apt-get remove osso-email-engine and all it's dependants, will i screw anything up?08:54
KotCzarny..groom: you can always reflash08:54
Livingroomi guess so08:54
Prez00_hey, is there any way to change the priority on telepathy on os2008?08:55
KotCzarnyprez: renice 10 `pidof telepathy` ?08:55
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Prez00_KotCzarny: sorry, i meant a jabber priority change08:55
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Prez00_I usually have several jabber clients going, and the client on os2008 has priority 0, and if I have my laptop on, i want the messages to go to my laptop08:57
KotCzarnyi know nothing about jabber, sorry :)08:57
Livingroomprez00, have you found a jabber client that will work with video from the nit? i cant find a desktop client that i can talk to with video :(08:58
Prez00_Livingroom: nope, haven't really looked..08:58
Prez00_Livingroom: I use PSI as my desktop client08:58
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Livingroomi c09:00
Livingroomi was incredibly bummed out when gtalk didnt support it :(09:00
pupnikanybody can possibly help a friennd of mine with an rss feed problem?09:02
pupniki give a present - cd or game or something09:02
* KotCzarny knows nothing about rss, unfortunatelly09:03
Livingroomi know a little09:03
Livingroomwhat is the problem?09:03
Livingroomalso: how do i make the screen rotate on the n800? is it with an addon or is it built in?09:04
Livingroomaaah geez, modified kernel.09:05
KotCzarny..groom: so? it's reflashable, if you don't like it09:06
Livingroomyeah, but still09:06
Livingroomthat all takes time :(09:06
KotCzarnythe whole point of nokia's tablet is to be open/hackable09:06
Livingroomand thats why i have it09:06
Livingroomi just kinda...09:06
Livingroomdont want to take the time i guess09:06
Livingroomafraid i'll brick something09:07
Livingroomi guess it has a DFU mode, though?09:07
KotCzarnyit's a 5 minutes of work09:07
KotCzarnyyou can reflash even if you break initfs/kernel09:07
Livingroomwell, i remember back to my days of using debian on 486-DX2/66 machines, where a new kernel meant an all-night batch compile... and if you woke up and there were errors, it was god @#*$&# time.09:07
KotCzarnynow it's 10-20 minutes09:08
KotCzarnyfor a kernel compile09:08
Livingroomis there a version of gcc for onboard compiling?09:08
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Livingroomoh snap09:08
Livingroomthere is09:08
Livingroomi just apt-getted it ROFFLES09:08
Livingroomhow about an ncurses module selector for kernel recompiling? :)09:08
KotCzarnybut to actually make it useful you should clone os to sd card09:09
KotCzarnymore space09:09
Livingroomi need to do that09:09
Livingroomwould it be better to clone to a 2g card or a 4g card?09:09
KotCzarnyor at least make a ext2/3 partition09:09
Livingroomi'll pick up a 4g sd tomorrow if it's better09:09
KotCzarnywhatever, but make a small vfat partition for compatibility09:10
Livingroomi'm lost :(09:10
Livingroomi'll just follow the instructions09:10
Livingroomthose instructions09:10
Livingroomdoes cloning to sd affect boot times?09:11
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KotCzarnydoes it matter?09:11
KotCzarnyyou boot once09:12
Livingroomwell, i carry mine with me09:12
Livingroomand i havent yet figured out how to suspend the device, only power it off09:12
* qwerty12 adds reflash number 40 to my list :?09:12
KotCzarnyyou don't09:12
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KotCzarnywith wifi off and no cpu waking apps you can idle it ~8-10days09:13
KotCzarnywithout turning off09:13
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Livingroomdude, seriously?09:13
Livingroomso this screen-off blue flashing led mode is idle?09:13
KotCzarnythat's probably new mail09:13
Cptn-N800You got mai;09:13
doc|homeor your n800's about to explode09:14
Livingroomif i let it sit, it goes black and the dpad starts flashing blue09:14
doc|homecan be confusing at times09:14
doc|homeI often think, oh look, a new mail, then *bang*09:14
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KotCzarnythat's called mail bomb09:14
doc|homeplastic splinters in my face, off to the doctor *again*. Medical bills09:14
doc|homemessy all round09:14
Livingroomwhat upsets me the most is that when i turn BT off, the bt icon disappears from the utility bar and i have to hunt it down in control panel to turn it back on.09:15
qwerty12Grab switchonbt09:15
qwerty12It adds a menu option to your application menu09:15
Livingroomwill do09:16
Livingroomalso: this tsocks, is it totally passive, or is there configuration or something09:17
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Livingroomalso: idle mode, is that were i basically dont touch it?09:20
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Livingroomdoes it just do it's thing automatically, or do i have to tell it to do something09:20
KotCzarnyand no offensive apps running09:20
KotCzarnyfull usage 3-4h, idle with wifi on (idling) 1-3d, idle with wifi off 5-9d09:21
Livingroom1-3d is still pretty darn good09:22
Livingroomhow is it so fuel efficient?09:22
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Livingroomit's a TI omap though09:23
Livingroomi thought xscale was all groovy and whatever09:23
Livingroomi guess omap is... SUPERIOR!09:23
Livingroompardon me a sec, i'm going to retether my iphone to this magnificent piece of electronic engineering and test some TSOCKS support09:24
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Livingroomit's telling me that is not on the same subnet as
Livingroomwhat the heck.09:36
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trickie_whats your netmask? 24?09:41
KotCzarnyDoD should make all netmasks illegal09:42
qwerty12or shoot dem down09:42
Livingroomi dont understand netmask, i always just make it
hugolpLivingroom: is the same as 2409:43
trickie_yes a 24bit netmask is usual for a local subnet09:44
trickie_so most of the time thats all you need09:44
Livingroomi c09:44
Livingroomgrr, this is driving me nuts09:44
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Livingroomtsocks says socks server is not on a local subnet09:44
Livingroombut the browser on both a laptop and the n800 is proxy'ing fine09:45
Livingroomand i can ping the ip, too09:45
* Livingroom punches himself repeatedly09:45
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trickie_Livingroom: i never used tsocks but
trickie_he the guy says that 'local' doesn't mean a 'local network'09:48
trickie_whatever that is supposed to mean09:49
Livingroomsweet, checking that out now09:49
Livingroommy head is torqued09:50
Livingroomi have no idea what he is talking about :(09:50
Livingroomlocal subnet statement... hmmm09:50
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Livingroomnite all10:26
Livingroomoh btw i figured it out10:27
Livingroomwas bad info in the .conf10:27
Livingroomanyway, nite all10:27
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KotCzarnynight ppl10:32
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jldiazI've just installed scummvm and tried "Zak McKracken" (one of my favourites)11:05
jldiazThere is no sound. Is it normal?11:06
glassthere should be?11:06
jldiazas far as I remember, there was music during the intro, and some sound effects during the gameplay11:07
jldiaz(step noises, for example)11:07
jldiazwhat I mean is, does work the sound for scummvm under maemo?11:07
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jldiazoh, wait11:08
jldiazthe game did a "click" noise when I turned on a lamp and opened a drawer11:09
jldiazso there is sound after all. Forgive me11:09
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jldiazit's the music what doesn't work. Probably a missing soundfont, or midi player...11:10
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X-FadeHi tigert.11:14
X-FadeWhat are you up to nowadays?11:14
tigerthi niels11:14
tigertgraphics soon again hopefully :)11:15
tigertmy battery on the n810 is running a bit low11:15
tigertso if i become silent thats the reason :)11:15
tigertin a meeting now11:15
X-FadeHeh :)11:15
X-FadeIs the meeting that interesting? :)11:16
tigertyes :)11:16
tigertmeetings have their ups and downs11:16
tigertlong ones especially :)11:17
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X-FadeSo no cool graphics stuff lately?11:17
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tigertnot in immediate past, but i want to get back on that stuff again11:18
tigertthats what i know best anyway11:18
X-Fadetigert: Do you guys keep an eye on this guy's work?
tigertwill look, battery is starting to get annoyed :)11:20
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X-FadeSteal an other one ;)11:21
tigertalready did :)11:22
tigertthat connectivity suggestion makes things very complex looking11:22
X-FadeYeah, it has pros and cons. Quick access presets, but more icons.11:23
tigertvery often its a case like this11:24
X-FadeYou should read his other posts too. He has some cool ideas.11:24
tigertin many cases we have made a compromise between common scenarios and simplicity11:24
tigerti mean11:24
tigertthe special cases usually add most of complexity11:25
tigertlike we assume you have one phone to connect with11:25
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tigertbut thanks for the pointer11:25
tigertwill look11:25
X-FadeYep, I know it is hard. And almost always a compromise.11:25
tigertthe "always online" idea should take care of his problem in many cases11:26
tigertin this example11:26
tigertbut he uses offline mode11:26
tigertso it wont work :)11:26
tigertmaybe to conserve battery11:26
tigertbut the thing connects to known wlans automatically anyway11:27
tigertbut ye11:27
tigertinteresting stuff11:27
zchydem_work2hi guys, are there any ubuntu 8.04 related issues that should know if trying to install maemo sdk+? I'm getting the error: "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs". Any ideas?11:27
X-FadeYeah, his icons ideas are fun too:
karbaszchydem_work2, this is one11:28
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zchydem_work2karbas: thanks11:28
tigertX-Fade: yeah11:29
tigertX-Fade: the friggen tray11:29
X-Fadetigert: NEED_MORE_SPACE!11:29
tigertX-Fade: why do people want to see everything all the time? :)11:29
tigertthe screen is tiny anyway11:29
tigertjust make noise if needed11:29
tigertand show nothing :)11:30
X-FadeI think wifi and bt can be one, and sound and brightness too.11:30
X-FadeShould clean it up nicely..11:30
zchydem_work2karbas: seems that I have already done that fixes different problem11:34
X-FadeI use the cpu monitor to see what the device is doing. If there is always feedback about what the device is doing, this should not be needed ;)11:34
tigertand the cpu monitor uses cpu too :)11:34
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X-FadeYes it does, but having an unresponsive browser for 10 seconds and not nowing what is going on is worse ;)11:35
tigertmy device has been working pretty awesomely with the latest release11:35
X-FadeMine constantly reboots on larger websites.11:35
karbaszchydem_work2, ok11:36
tigertX-Fade: does it make you more happy to see ffox iks hanging again?11:36
X-FadeSomething is not ok, but I can't pinpoint what..11:36
tigertwhen you know it anyway :)11:36
tigertdo you use swap?11:36
X-Fadetigert: Then I at least know that a reboot is coming in 10 seconds :)11:36
tigerti had one reboot on flickr today11:36
tigertbut its been a LONG time since this crashed before that11:37
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X-FadeI think it is ajax related. Javascript easily consumes a lot of resources.11:37
tigertit does11:38
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X-FadeThat is one of the downsides of the current browser. But it seems better in minefield, so it will come eventually.11:38
tigerti am actually surprised how well facebook and flickr and gmail work on the device11:42
tigertthey are darn heavy on desktop too11:42
X-FadeYep, that is true.11:43
tigertsure things are slow11:43
X-FadeBut that is because your firefox on the desktop is slow at javascript too ;)11:43
tigertbut its way better than anything else i have seen on a handheld11:43
X-FadeUnless you run the latest betas.11:43
tigertyea, i run ff3 beta5 i think, on myy laptop11:44
tigertthe autobookmarks rock11:45
X-FadeI'm starting to like the awesomebar more.11:45
X-FadeBut there are so many websites with 'Untitled page 1', that it is sometimes frustrating.11:45
X-FadeYou can type in the location bar and it looks up by url and title in your history.11:46
tigertand that is exactly what makes the bookmarks thing rock11:47
tigertjust star everything and it finds them always by typing a bit11:47
X-FadeFennec has it working on the device, that part of fennec works well.11:47
X-FadeBut it has sub-optimal rendering because of the kinetic scrolling, so it is a slideshot on larger pages.11:48
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jldiazanyone used rlfe ("cook" input lines for other programs using readline) in the tablet?12:12
jldiazI noticed that it is available as maemo package and installed it12:13
jldiazI was hoping to have readline support in ash12:13
jldiazhowever it doesn't work. I always get the error: ptypair: could not open master pty: No such file or directory12:13
jldiazRelated perhaps to the inexistence of /dev/pty under maemo?12:14
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lardmanWhat's the difference in battery life between auto connect and no connection, assuming the only thing auto connecting is the RSS reader for example?12:43
lardmanDoes the RSS reader actually ask to connect or just receive a connected signal and then update?12:43
Cptnodegardyou can set it to autoupdate on specific time intervals, if youre not connected it simply wont update12:43
lardmanah, so you can set a time interval12:44
gomiamlardman: I _think_ the RSS reader will try to connect and the system (if configured to auto-connect) will try to set the connection up.12:44
lardmanif a connection occurs before the time interval, does it reset its timer?12:44
Cptnodegardthink so lardman¨12:45
lardmanI can always look at the source of course12:45
lardmanI was just thinking to myself that it would be nice if I could set a connect time, say once per hour (and disconnect time too)12:45
lardmanonce per hour during the day, then no auto connections over night (when they aren't needed), etc.12:46
Cptnodegardin "update settings" you can check if its supposed to update automatically or not, set time interval,and set if its only going to update when connected to wlan or all connections12:46
tigertisnt the autoconnect that it tries to keep the device online all the time?12:46
tigertif there is a known wlan around?12:46
tigertin connectivity settings12:46
lardmanthat's what I thought; once connected it stays that way12:46
lardmanbut how bad is that for the battery?12:47
lardmans/battery/battery life12:47
tigertwell, of course it drains some no doubt12:47
lardmanof course :)12:47
tigertI charge mine every night anyway12:47
Cptnodegarddepends.. you might keep it offline if you cant access a charger in several days12:47
tigertit outlasts my phone which is the primary net connection for it12:47
tigertbut yeah12:47
tigertif you need to keep it running for a long time then offline mode might be good?12:48
lardmanI have no need of contant online-ness as I don't tend to use IM on it, but would be good to update the news feed every so often, but then turn off again rather than wasting power, etc.12:48
Cptnodegardconnecting/disconnecting uses more power than jst staying on i think12:49
lardmansounds like it would need testing; though connecting for 1min every hour surely must use less power than staying online all the time12:49
Cptnodegardwhy do you need to be so very power efficient anyways?12:50
lardmanno reason, just like efficiency12:50
Veggenlardman: well. When I'm at home, my n810 is mostly connected to the charger when I don't use it.12:52
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Veggen(eh, Cptnodegard I meant)12:52
Veggennot so when my n810 is in a pocket, a wireless zone, or elsewhere.12:52
lardmanI suppose I could set it to auto-connect with a short idle timeout (iirc that works), and set something (such as RSS reader) to connect every hour12:54
lardmanfor me though, it would be better to have the connection timing on the connection manager rather than individual apps (as these ought to use the connection if it comes up even if they didn't ask for it?)12:55
Cptnodegardi just leave it to do whatever the fuck it wants :) in other words its always online if theres a known wifi signal in range. i just charge it every day and if i go anywhere ofr long i can just bring an external batteyr12:55
lardmanin the connection manager that should read12:55
inzGrr, got a new laptop, but don't have an installation media ready -- takes 5 hours to download a dvd image12:55
johnxdvd image?! what are you installing?12:56
Cptnodegardinz: its calling "planning ahead" :)12:56
inzCptnodegard, yeah, my old laptop just was a little low on free disk space12:56
Cptnodegarddelete some porn :312:57
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lardmanlol "There have been bug reports, angry posts, even incantations to Satan ever since that stupidity first surfaced and yet, even in ITOS2008 it hasn’t been fixed."12:59
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hrwlardman: first time you saw that?13:06
lardmanyep :)13:06
lardmanyou well hrw?13:06
hrwlardman: no - I've read it some time ago13:06
lardmanah, sorry my poor English, are you well?13:07
hrwI am well13:07
hrwfine etc13:07
lardmanyep, good13:07
lardmanAm I right in thinking that Nokia's interface spec is now more plastic?13:08
lardmanmodifiable is perhaps a better word13:08
X-Fade_lardman: tigert should be able to tell you all about that :)13:08
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hrwlardman: and also closed13:08
lardmanNokia are willing to make changes where before the answer was "no it's that way as it's in the spec"13:08
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lardman~lart Outlook for not giving me any incoming email for the past 18h13:11
* infobot teaches Outlook for not giving me any incoming email that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for the past 18h13:11
lardmanhmm, Outlook probably knew that one13:11
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RST38hHey, folks, is OMWeather dead?15:21
johnxnot working here either15:21
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RST38hThe weather server must have changed the html page format15:22
Cptnodegardsomeone was talking about it in here before15:24
johnxinfo here:
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RST38hjohnx: sounds like a full-blown natural disaster15:32
RST38hEverybody's widgets went dead15:32
johnxyup, unless they *gasp* patch and recompile or accept a patched binary from someone15:33
johnxyup, it's a freakin' epidemic15:33
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JackCrowJust another casualty from that cyclone in Burma15:34
aquatixah, so it's not just me :)15:34
aquatixi got a python update though15:34
aquatixmaybe it was because of that?15:34
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aquatixjust guessing :/15:35
RST38hBTW, somebody has to tell OMW developers that their question marks are ugly =)15:35
aquatixRST38h: :)15:35
BlafaselHuh? aquatix, you did read that link?15:35
aquatixat least they default to sunny15:35
aquatixBlafasel: sorry, not yet15:35
* aquatix clicks15:35
BlafaselYou should ;)15:35
aquatixat work, so not browsing *too* much ;)15:35
aquatixi guess that first remark is about the python packages ;)15:36
BlafaselNo browsing, but IRC? Yeah.. ;-p15:36 changed their URL format15:36
BlafaselHey, I'm at a customer's site and still surfing. =)15:36
johnxomweather is written in C15:36
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aquatixirc is less obvious, as i'm also typing in latex ;)15:37
RST38hlatex on a tablet?15:37
aquatixnah, on a pc here15:37
aquatixlatex on my home server :)15:37
aquatixjust vim in a screen session15:38
BlafaselHmm.. Can your client show colors? We could spam some nice ascii arts to get your coworkes attention ;)15:38
aquatixirssi does, yes :P15:38
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aquatixit can also ignore people ;)15:38
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* aquatix likes screen and its shortkeys15:39
aquatixif it gets too colour-y here, i just switch back to vim :P15:39
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RST38h[and used it for years]15:47
pyhimys where can I find info on lifeguard_resets?15:48
johnxwhat kind of info? how to disable it?15:49
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balrog-kunhey, what's the full name of the camera chip in n810?15:49
balrog-kuni.e. what's the 'x' in TCM825x15:49
pyhimysTablet booted. TRying to figure out why.15:50
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pyhimysIt seems it boot quite often when I'm charging it15:50
johnxpyhimys, some apps will trigger a reboot if they die off while the tablet is running15:50
johnxif some program that's monitored by the lifeguard is crashing that would be the cause15:51
inzpyhimys, /var/lib/dsme/stats15:51
pyhimysin the lifeguard_resets i got bme_RX-34 : 254 *15:52
inzpyhimys, I got that too on one N800 device quite a lot15:52
pyhimysthats the battery management i suppose15:52
inzpyhimys, IIRC it was a prototype though15:52
pyhimysthey've shipped me a proto-unit! The bastards! :)15:53
pyhimyshmm, maybe I should just reflash the device and see if the problem persists15:55
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balrog-kundoes someone know of downloadable schematics for the n810 btw?15:55
inzpyhimys, it most likely will15:56
timelessa proto unit of what?15:58
pyhimystimeless: N800 :)16:00
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timelesshrm, i have one of those on my desk, do you really have one?16:00
pyhimystimeless: Unless there has been an enormous misunderstanding, No.16:01
pyhimysOrdered mine bit over a year ago from nokia webshop.16:01
timelessso why do you think it's a proto?16:02
pyhimys15:52 < inz> pyhimys, I got that too on one N800 device quite a lot16:02
timelessif you open the back of the device, what does it list for FCC ID ?16:02
pyhimys15:52 < inz> pyhimys, IIRC it was a prototype though16:02
timelessalso, which software are you using?16:03
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timelessiirc you should be using -51 or something like it16:03
* timeless tries to remember which group had interesting problems w/ batteries16:03
hrwbalrog-kun: run dmesg16:04
timelessthere were people who complained that their device wouldn't power on in certain temperature ranges :)16:04
hrwbalrog-kun: n800 had tcm8251, n810 tcm8253 iirc16:04
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pyhimystimeless: doesn't say anything abou fcc, just that it is made in finland16:04
timelessoh, sorry, try looking for C E... and Code/Co'digo16:05
hrwops. wrong data16:05
pyhimystimeless: 063167316:05
timelessanyway, that wouldn't be a proto :)16:05
timelessthose numbers are things that get included w/ real devices :)16:06
pyhimysThe proto-thing was mainly a joke. (albeit a bad one)16:07
pyhimysOne should always jump to conclusions.16:07
* timeless doesn't appreciate bad jokes16:07
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* timeless assumes everyone is serious until proven otherwise16:08
pyhimysinz said he had battery charging issues on a prototype so I just _had_ to have a protounit also16:08
timeless[timeless@centos timeless]$ df -h .16:08
timelessFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on16:08
timeless-                      28G  942M   27G   4% /home/timeless16:08
* timeless frowns16:09
pyhimystimeless: sorry about that.16:09
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johnxpyhimys, has your tablet always behaved like this or only since you installed some software?16:10
timelessbtw, do you have a /media/mmc1/core-dumps folder?16:10
pyhimysjohnx: since the OS2008 I think16:10
timelesspeople who want to help out are invited to use such a folder to collect crashes16:11
timelesswe actually can try to do something w/ your crashes16:11
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pyhimysDon't have one, but will create it16:11
johnxtimeless, I had *no* idea that making a core-dumps folder would cause it to collect core dumps. Is this publicized somewhere?16:11
timelessdunno, what does google say? :)16:12 - Maemo 4.x: Maemo Debugging Guide16:12
timelessYou should now have a core file under the /media/mmc1/core-dumps directory. ... /home/user # ls -l /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 139264 Nov ...16:12 - 80k -16:12
timelessgoogle says it's documented16:12
timelessgoogle also says that i've mentioned it here before :)16:12
JackCrowdoes the mere existence of that folder cause the tablet to create core dumps?16:12
johnxah, but in something that's aimed at users?16:12
timelessjackcrow: kinda16:12
pyhimysGooglito ergo sum?16:12
timelesscat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern16:13
timelessthat setting is what controls where they go16:13
pyhimys(oh no another bad joke)16:13
timelesswe hard code the path (note that you should not assume the path will always be that, in fact it will change)16:13
timelessbut the kernel won't write into a directory that doesn't exist16:13
johnxhmm...maybe this needs to start getting mentioned on ITT for people have have managed to develop weird crashes :)16:13
timelessso the mere lack of the directory means no core-dumps16:13
JackCrowinteresting, thanks16:14
timelessfwiw, that feature isn't really maemo specific16:14
timelessthe default path is just maemo specific16:14
timelessthe normal core pattern is probably "core"16:14
timelessor something like that16:14
timelessanyway, you'll have to find someone w/ ties to nokia if you want to get your core dumps processed16:15
timelessno guarantees, and keep in mind that a core dump may contain confidential bits16:16
timelesschoosing to distribute such a file is a choice...16:16
timelesssomething like that... i wrote better legalese for the people working on a ui for core dump collection16:16
timelesshopefully it'll appear someday :)16:16
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JackCrowsomething like "Nokia takes no responsibility for information contained within submitted core files and assumes no liability for such data?"  :)16:19
johnxstill, would it be helpful to get the word out on ITT? "If you have a weird reoccurring crash, please consider creating a core-dumps folder in your external sd card slot. This can help Nokia programmers to understand what causes the bug to appear.  Realize that core dumps *may* contain information that the crashing program was handling at the time, such as email address, name, phone number, etc"16:19
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hrwtrickie_: ping?16:24
trickie_hrw: pong16:25
hrwtrickie_: tested umac?16:25
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trickie_sorry i been MIA, have to move from my apartment so all my time been taken16:25
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johnxhey, hrw, what's involved in testing this?16:25
trickie_hopefully tonight people will leave me alone :)16:26
hrwjohnx: its 2.6.25-omap16:26
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johnxso, use flasher to boot kernel and test a module?16:27
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trickie_johnx: have you got a 2.6.25-omap booting ok?16:28
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johnxnope, I haven't been focusing on kernel stuff16:28
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johnxif someone gives me the image they want me to test, I'll test it though16:29
trickie_well i stuffed my mmc card with my mamona install, so i have to fix that up first16:30
trickie_and then i have been playing with booting a kernel from the flasher and boot with rootfs=/dev/mmcXXX16:31
trickie_so you need a image that will at least do something about patting the watchdog16:31
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* KotCzarny has misread 'petting the watch dog'16:32
trickie_he he16:32
trickie_close enough16:32
trickie_not as messy as a real dog, but demanding enough :)16:32
johnxah, I should be able to do that here. I have Debian booting so I can just write a script to poke the wd and bring up usbnet as well16:32
trickie_one there16:34
johnxyup, that's the one I was thinking of16:34
johnxthough I might just set r&d mode anyways16:34
balrog-kunhrw: thanks16:34
johnxand disable lifeguard-reset16:34
trickie_so if you could build HEAD from linux-omap, then maybe you could help test hrw's modules16:34
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trickie_johnx: well if you boot directly to mmc then dsme etc won't be running till you start it16:35
hrwbalrog-kun: nope - I was wrong.16:35
trickie_i would like to try to come up with a free replacement for dsme/bme etc, so i don't bother starting them ATM16:36
johnxah, what I don't have right now is a dev env. I'll need to do something about that first...16:36
trickie_johnx: get mamona :)16:36
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pyhimysNow that I have the core-dumps directory the damn thing wont crash anymore. Which is quite nice also.16:37
hrwor Poky or any other OE based env16:37
Veggenpyhimys: ah. A Heisenbug.16:37
trickie_poky... cause then hrw can provide support ha ha ha16:37
johnxI have OE on a machine I have an account on, but it's x86_64 and is somewhat troublesome :/16:37
trickie_the mamona guys are great help too16:38
balrog-kunhrw: ok16:38
balrog-kunhrw: unless you've guessed right16:38
balrog-kunhrw: there's a 1/100 chance16:38
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trickie_johnx: what troubles were you having with OE?16:41
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trickie_its a fast moving target, but its worth the look into16:42
trickie_nice up to date toolchain16:42
johnxbuild stuff that appears to be x86_64 related, perl won't build right now16:42
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trickie_johnx: i think some of the mamona guys build on x86_64, so if you interested #mamona is a good place to hang out16:44
trickie_back to the real world - work :(16:44
johnxah, have fun16:44
trickie_ill try16:45
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balrog-kuni'll need a really tiny screw driver to find out16:47
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aquatixit's funny16:48
aquatixwhy does maemo ask whether you want to really quit offline mode, or really update your package list, but not whether you really want to turn off the device? :)16:49
johnxBecause secretly it's lazy16:49
aquatixheh :)16:49
johnx"Do I *really* have to turn on the wifi radio? c'mon man..."16:50
aquatixsounds like my perfect electronic companion ;)16:50
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RST38hRead memory location 0xDEADBEEF? [y/n]16:50
aquatixmaemo, the lazy geek's electronic equivalent16:50
aquatixRST38h: :)16:50
johnxheh...a "translation" to casual english would be fun16:51
aquatixand there was much rejoicing16:51
* aquatix has weather again16:51
johnxpatched binary?16:51
aquatixjohnx: decaf coffee is bad :)16:51
aquatixjohnx: yeah16:51
johnxaquatix, very true16:51
aquatixtoo bad i really had to reboot16:51
johnxit's like a bait and switch16:51
aquatixunchecking/checking applet didn't help16:52
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hrwjohnx: perl do not build on x86-64?16:54
johnxrunning through it again16:54
hrwjohnx: then why I did not noticed it during last year...16:54
johnxhrw, I dunno. My build host is a gentoo machine. Maybe there is some weirdness there16:54
KotCzarnymost probably16:55
johnxI'll see if it builds this time16:55
johnxKotCzarny, yeah, I didn't pick the OS. My friend gave me an account and said "go nuts building whatever you want."16:55
johnxso I'm not gonna complain to him :)16:56
KotCzarnychroot then16:56
* KotCzarny usually unpacks slackware packages on hostile/weird systems16:56
johnxthat would work I guess, I just haven't gotten around to it16:57
trickie_johnx: i build on gentoo17:00
trickie_not x86_64 though17:00
johnxwell, I'll see if it fails again, and write a bug report17:00
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johnxit has 1873 tasks to do, so maybe I'll let it work while I sleep ;)17:02
trickie_good plan17:02
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trickie_toolchain+mamona usually takes me about 3/4 hours from scratch17:02
johnxthis is toolchain+altboot-console-image for collie as a test17:03
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RST38hMamona is an x86 hosted version of Maemo, right?17:06
Robot101no, its using openembedded to build maemo17:06
trickie_its not maemo, but uses some componets17:07
trickie_and maemo kernel and initfs by default17:07
RST38hAh, so they do work on IT hardware but attempt to replace components one by one?17:08
||cwdoes it look like maemo or does it give the gpe/opie option?17:11
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trickie_RST38h: yes kind of, not sure if all proprietary components are targeted for replacement17:13
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trickie_||cw: it is enlightment based ATM17:13
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johnxah, interesting notes on sound support :)17:14
timelessthe confirmation dialogs come from nokia house style17:14
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timelesssome of us hope someday to force people to get rid of that style17:14
timelessbut well... it's an uphill battle17:14
timelessyou'll see the same sort of behavior in nokia phones17:15
RST38h"hope to force people" <-- now, THAT is a plan17:15
timelessnote: i've been hoping for 2 years17:15
johnxany hope for providing a "secret" gconf key to disable all the prompts?17:15
timelessi think we've managed to fix the order of one dialog17:15
timelessbut not get rid of the dialog17:15
timelesswell, wait17:16
timelessyou could probably replace a certain part of hildon w/ an auto responder17:16
timelessthe code for hildon is open source17:16
timelessi've written similar modules for gecko17:16
timelessvery handy17:16
johnxvery elegant :)17:16
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timelessif the dialogs include help context, it'd actually be possible to make it truly correct17:17
timelessfrom memory maemo uses/supports atk for testing17:17
timelessand automated testing17:17
timelesswhich means you should be able to write an atk script to dismiss those dialogs17:17
johnxthey don't annoy me that much as long as d-pad center defaults to "do what I told you to"17:17
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timelessyou clearly don't have an n81017:18
johnxof course not17:18
timelesssince that button isn't available17:18
timelessupgrade and get more annoyed :)17:18
* johnx likes his sd slots17:18
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timelessi think it'll cost you $400 for the experience :)17:18
KotCzarnymore if you want storage space17:18
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johnxI'm perfectly happy with my collection of ARM gadgets for right now17:19
johnxbut really, why would anyone actually *not* have the keyboard out?17:19
MangoFusionanyone strapped their NIT to their ARM yet?17:19
RST38hjohnx: my n810 is in a case17:20
johnxI'm sorry to hear that17:20
RST38hand keyboard makes it lose balance anyway17:20
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RST38hThe funny part is, I am still using E70 phone more often than N810, especially to type messages: E70 keyboard is much more comfortable17:21
RST38hMaybe I can somehow make S60-based E70 act as a BT keyboard? :)17:21
johnxyeah, either of my zauruses win for text input, though I've gotten pretty fast with the fullscreen keyboard17:21
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RST38hStill can;t enable full screen keyoard reliably - it is enabled in a really weird way on n81017:22
johnxquick question for N810 owners who have used an N800: Which d-pad do you like better, ignoring the requirement to slide out the keyboard for now?17:23
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johnxRST38h, well that's a sad state of affairs :/17:23
RST38hNo, just a bad design decision on the part of Nokia17:23
RST38hI am pretty sure they will fix it in N900 or whatever comes next17:24
* KotCzarny likes ibm thinkpad's keyboard the best17:24
RST38hLast time I dropped Thinkpad onto wooden floor, it made a 1/2" deep hole17:24
KotCzarnymine weighs 1.6kg17:25
RST38hNo, that one was 4kg one17:25
johnxRST38h, but that means it's been getting worse since the 770, which didn't have all that great of a d-pad IIRC17:25
RST38hjohnx: it does not have to be great, just usable17:25
johnxright, just pointing out the trend is downward17:25
KotCzarnyoriginal n-gage has a nice d-pad17:26
NaviToo much resistance on the dpads17:26
hrwjohnx: 770 had better dpad then n81017:26
hrwI did not used n80017:26
RST38hbtw, N810 shares dpad design with E90 and some other recent phones17:26
RST38hI guess, E90 should also suck in this aspect17:26
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KotCzarnyi think optical dpad is the way to go17:26
arif_endrohi all17:26
johnxhi arif_endro17:27
NaviI could go for a dpad that's like the one on the GP2X F20017:27
johnxI think ripping off the zaurus wholesale now that sharp canceled them is the way to ho17:27
NaviIt's not great, but it's a lot better than the NIT's pads17:27
aquatixjohnx: hm :)17:27
aquatixthat'd be interesting17:27
aquatixa zaurus-like clamshell with 8GB flash ram, bluetooth, wifi...17:28
RST38hlet's just wait until the fold-out phone idea resurfaces again at Nokia ;)17:28
aquatix800x480 screen17:28
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johnxevertime I see my akita and n800 next to each other I start thinking about a transplant...but I wouldn't know where to start17:28
RST38hIt does resurface every few years, like some kraken...17:28
Navijohnx, you're so Dr. Frankenstein17:28
johnxand then Nokia employees beat it with oars?17:28
RST38hjohnx: Basically, helped with network operators17:28
infobotRST38h meant: johnx: Basically, helped by network operators17:29
johnxNavi, nah, I *want* to be Dr. Frankenstein but I haven't got the soldering skillz17:29
RST38hE70 was as close as it gets to a perfect phone, yet died quickly17:29
KotCzarnythen get a bigger lightning17:29
NaviI have an E70 :o17:29
arif_endroI'm just wondering what maemo means, where it came from how it come up with it...17:29
RST38hSame happened with their pre-S60 fold out phones17:29
johnxKotCzarny, I think I got that spam just yesterday...17:30
RST38hNavi: Yes, but is it still being offered?17:30
aquatixjohnx: hm, akita? that's an island :P17:30
NaviNo idea17:30
RST38hE61 is, but not E7017:30
NaviI got mine a year ago17:30
johnxaquatix, nope, a dog17:30
johnxalso, a Zaurus C100017:30
aquatixah :)17:30
RST38hYou basically have to SEARCH for E70 now. No firmware updates for months.17:30
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RST38hNo OMAP2 upgrade.17:30
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MangoFusionn95 here. best phone i have had so far - except for the dodgy build quality on the volume buttons17:31
NaviI've had the pre S60 fold-out phones too17:31
NaviI love 'em17:31
* aquatix likes his sony ericsson m600i17:31
aquatixqwerty ftw17:31
johnxSony Ericsson W51S, makes calls, runs opera, does 3G17:32
RST38hM600i isn't real qwerty.17:32
inzNokia 6230: makes calls17:32
inzuntil the battery dies ;)17:32
RST38hFrom programming point of view M600i "qwerty" is a freakig nightmare17:33
czrczr: does not call17:33
aquatixRST38h: not real qwerty?17:33
glassMangoFusion: got one too.. the firmware upgrades really made a difference17:33
RST38haquatix: key scancodes are quite arbitrary17:33
aquatixyeah, qwerty sucks17:33
aquatixah, like that17:34
RST38haquatix: they become correct keycodes after some translation when inputing text17:34
aquatixwas more talking about the physical layout17:34
NaviE70: Makes calls, Runs webkit, does 2.5G, kicks asses17:34
johnxah, also AGPS, forgot about that one :)17:34
RST38haquatix: but if you are writing a game and want REAL scancodes from qwerty keys, M600i is a world of pain17:34
aquatixRST38h: maybe they do some numeral keypad -> realy chars tricks?17:34
MangoFusioninterestingly enough when i updated the responsiveness of the camera app plummeted. i.e. took even longer to pop up, sometimes ignored the camera button altogether. and even noticeably skipped frames when recording17:34
RST38haquatix; yea, they have a translation layer, like Nokia does in E6117:35
MangoFusion(though i think that was in part due to a corrupted memory card)17:35
RST38haquatix: but the one in SE phone has to translate a lot more keys17:35
aquatixhaven't tried programming for it yet17:35
RST38hNavi: ;)17:35
aquatixi'm more interested in programming for my tablet17:35
aquatixRST38h: *g*17:36
RST38haquatix: Can't sell tablet apps. CAN sell Symbian apps17:36
NaviI read maddox every once in a while17:36
aquatixRST38h: true17:36
NaviI've read that article17:36
aquatixstill, i won't do it for money17:36
RST38haquatix: and it isn't as scary as it looks17:36
aquatixjust for fun17:36
aquatixi want the uiq3 putty source though :/17:37
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aquatixthe guy that ported it, abandoned it17:37
aquatixand now it can't be updated17:37
RST38hisn't it available?17:37
aquatixonly a binary17:37
aquatixor i'm stupid and it's in the main repository17:37
aquatixwhere i didn't look yet17:37
RST38ha moment17:38
MangoFusionis flash lite any good for dev?17:38
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aquatixRST38h: erm, isn't that series 60/80 only?17:41
* aquatix tries to find the repository17:41
RST38hThey say UIQ port is available so I guess it should be both17:41
aquatixam i too tired or isn't there an svn repository available on sf?17:44
* aquatix finds a source .zip17:44
aquatixRST38h: you mean ``PuTTY for UIQ: See the ports by Robert Horvath, MobilEyes AB, and Taneli Leppä'' <- the latter is the one that ported to uiq317:45
aquatixbut only put a binary online17:45
aquatixand doesn't maintain it for a while already17:45
RST38haquatix: Oh :(17:47
RST38hWhy can't you port to UIQ the S60 version?17:47
RST38hIt isn't very complicated17:47
aquatixmyeah, that's a possibility17:47
aquatixbut that Taneli guy already did it17:48
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RST38hWell, Taneli guy hid his source under the bed and went fishing17:48
aquatixand as i didn't program anything for symbian yet, i thought it a nice starting point17:48
RST38hA moment, I will give you a better starting point17:48
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aquatixdidn't react on my query through his site too17:48
aquatixk :)17:48
RST38hthe big white probably ate him while fishing17:49
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RST38haquatix: in plain English:
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aquatixcool, thanks17:51
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aquatixRST38h: the latter link is nice too, thanks17:56
aquatixany idea whether the sdk works under wine or something?17:56
RST38hI suggest proper Windows17:56
RST38hBoth S60 and UIQ sdks are GCC based though17:56
RST38hGCCE to be exact17:56
aquatixhm, i might need to install a vm then17:57
RST38hYou do not have a Windows machine?17:57
aquatixi have a license laying around17:57
aquatixRST38h: nope17:57
aquatixonly linux17:57
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RST38hTry Wine then - there is nothing special in the SDK17:57
aquatixyeah, i'll try that first17:57
RST38hJust ignore their "phone simulator" - it is garbage17:57
RST38hdebug on a real devicew17:58
aquatixcan always install something in virtual box or something17:58
aquatixkk, thanks17:58
aquatixtime to bork my m600 ;)17:58
RST38hyou won't bork it but be prepared for reboots17:58
aquatixheheh, yeah17:58
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RST38hotherwise it is pretty tough little system17:58
aquatixindeed is17:59
aquatixonly times i reboot is when i ran the battery totally flat17:59
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RST38hhardware wise it is identical to N8x0, more or less18:00
RST38hhas got a GSM chip of course18:01
RST38hdont forget it;s a phone :)18:01
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aquatixwas refering to the similarity18:02
aquatixdidn't know it was that similar18:02
johnxthe N8x0 was born out of Nokia's parts bin :)18:02
aquatixjohnx: myeah, the 770 even more so :)18:02
aquatixm600 is a sony ericsson phone tough18:03
johnxtoo bad they ran out of good d-pads and those nifty covers :/18:03
RST38hThey are both born from TI's OMAP reference designs18:03
aquatixRST38h: ah, k18:03
aquatixdidn't know that about my phone18:03
RST38hAnd the reference design is basically like a "PC AT" thing18:03
aquatixheh :)18:03
aquatixcrap, gotta run18:03
RST38hIt tells you more or less everything18:03
arif_endrodid they use the same processor?18:04
aquatixRST38h: thanks for your links and such :)18:04
aquatixm600 is a 200MHz proc18:04
RST38harif: Same SoCs18:04
aquatixbut also omap i guess18:04
aquatixanyways, catch you all later18:04
RST38hM600i is IMAP85018:04
RST38hOMAP850, aka OMAP118:04
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NaviNo, it's totally OMAP818:04
RST38hSame as N770, E70, E61, etc18:05
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Naviomweather updated to work yet?18:05
RST38hnot yet18:06
johnxNavi, use the source!18:06
NaviWhat? Use the force?!18:06
RST38h"Firefox Vietnamese Language Pack Infected With Trojan"18:06
johnxthat's no good18:06
RST38hMcCain isn't a president yet, but He already infects language packs! =)18:06
NaviVietnamese ones to boot18:06
NaviGettin' his revenge on18:07
RST38hOtherwise I would blame it on somebody else!18:07
johnxNavi, change the URL, recompile, it's on the thread in ITT, or grab the patched binary18:07
NaviI'll look into that after I'm done with the rss feed app18:07
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shackanI have had my file manager segfault for weeks, whatever component tries to browse the filesystem (like for opening or saving a file) segfaults too, can I do anything other than a clean reflash? (don't want to reinstall EVERYTHING YET AGAIN)18:08
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liquid217I used the updated binary with OMWeather.  It's still not acting 100% correctly.  It's doing some odd things with the last day of the week.18:09
johnxshackan, did it happen around the time you installed an app?18:10
NaviWe need a virus scanner18:10
johnxliquid217, other people seem to be having similar problems18:10
Navijohnx, build Norton Antivirus, quick!18:10
* johnx lives in the hills18:10
johnxhelp what do *I* do?!18:11
* shackan TOO !!!!!18:11
RST38hjohnx: then run off the hills18:11
* johnx runs18:11
RST38hall right, going home18:11
NaviRST38h, lolirl18:11 soon as this compile finishes18:11
RST38h3-day weekend is nice18:11
NaviRST38h, indeed it is18:11
shackanjohnx: I installed  a bunch of things, like the mypaint and numpty, I'd like to track the problem down, but without strace or anything like that.. no luck18:11
johnxwell...strace is available18:12
johnxas is ltrace18:12
shackanif it is, I can't install it because apt-get craps out18:12
johnxapt-get is broken too?18:13
johnxthis seems like a bigger problem than just file manager :)18:13
shackanwell, apparently there's a broken package which is half installed18:13
shackanand if I a-g -f install it asks me if I really want to install it, I say yes, but it does nothing (ie: a-g quits)18:14
johnxdpkg --purge ?18:14
shackanlet's try18:14
shackandependency problems prevent clinkc0 from being remove18:16
johnxalright, what depends on it?18:16
shackanosso-software-version maemo-launcher libfarsight osso-connectivity clinkc-av018:17
johnxrtcomm beta installed ?18:17
shackanmm, no18:17
shackangot rid of that months ago18:18
shackan(ie: before this problem)18:18 you had it installed and removed it?18:18
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johnxor reflashed?18:18
shackanremoved it, haven't reflashed in months18:18
shackan(waiting for diablo)18:18
johnxI wonder how it ended up half installed then...18:19
shackanme too18:19
johnxwell, just unpack strace from the deb and use it18:20
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johnxwon't mess up anything else at this point18:20
shackansometimes I also have a touchscreen sensitivity issue18:20
johnxdon't even unpack it in root18:20
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shackanfor instance, I click somewhere in the middle of the screen, the click appears on the far left (the application bar)18:21
KotCzarnytouchscreen fun18:21
shackanwell, happens rarely, but it does happen18:21
KotCzarnyhappens on mine n800 too18:21
shackanwonder if it has to do with hours of pressure after I kept if for a whole night it under the pillow18:22
KotCzarnyi bet on some design issue18:22
shackanbut it didn't use to do that18:23
KotCzarnyit usually happens to me when i touch it very gently18:23
johnxI've always thought it was related to heat, but I was never sure...18:23
KotCzarnyno probem when dragging hard18:23
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KotCzarnyi first noticed it when clicking in control panel sometimes opened menus on the left18:25
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KotCzarnyso it's usually misread x pos18:25
shackanyup, y is fine18:25
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magicrobotmonkeyis internettabletalk donw?18:31
qwerty12is for me18:31
magicrobotmonkeyanyone know if theres been an update to omweather to deal with changing their rss feed18:32
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qwerty12Ed Bartosh says that Vlad is on a vacation yet.18:33
johnxmagicrobotmonkey, there's some fix on the garage page for omweather I believe?18:33
johnxcontributed by a user18:33
magicrobotmonkeyim looking18:33
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magicrobotmonkeywoops wrong window18:40
johnxirc0: Hardware Address: 00:DE:AD:BE:EF:00 IP Address:
hrwI prefer mac address of my router ;)18:43
qwerty12fail :( :p18:44
KotCzarnytry DE:CA:F018:44
qwerty12Lol, all these are m00t for me as I don't drink tea or coffee :p18:45
KotCzarnytea is good18:45
KotCzarnygreen tea to be specific18:45
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qwerty12Hehe, I could never bring myself to drink leaves with hot water18:46
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KotCzarnyever ate meat?18:47
KotCzarnydo you know it's animal's pieces?18:47
qwerty12Obviously ;) :P18:47
KotCzarnyi prefer leaves in hot water18:48
hrwKotCzarny: do you know that tea has feelings too? and you masacre it with hot water...18:48
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Naviqwerty12, <- vote! vote!18:51
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qwerty12Navi, doing so now lol :)18:52
L0cutuswhat is the best guide to boot from SD ?18:52
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* qwerty12 creates bugzilla account. I thought my garage one would work :/18:54
qwerty12I voted :)18:55
X-Fade_qwerty12: Nope, we haven't been able to hook that one into garage..18:55
ProteousI voted to ban Navi18:55
KotCzarnyvote with your wallet?18:55
L0cutus3 steps are too much :18:55
NaviI vote to shower Proteous with love and joy18:55
qwerty12X-Fade_, Ah, well, no problems :). It only took me 5 mins to make a account :)18:55
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KotCzarnyl0cutus: ok, here's an upgraded version: 1/ find someone to do it for you18:56
NaviGuess who ran out of bandwidth?18:56
L0cutuswow, thanks ! (better if you come here to make the work for me :)18:56
qwerty12Navi, Wow, your microb svn?18:56
Proteous\o\ |o| /o/18:56
Naviqwerty12, technically, I'm out18:57
NaviI don't have that much18:57
qwerty12Ah :(18:57
Navibut there isn't a cap if I don't tell my buddy that I'm out of  bandwidth.18:57
KotCzarnygive us the address, we will do it for you18:57
NaviSomeone's mirroring already18:58
KotCzarnygoogle probably18:59
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L0cutusthis seems to be ok :
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NaviI can't chat with anyone on MSN using rtcomm19:06
magicrobotmonkeywow that was quick19:07
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Naviwoo, personal menu update19:10
Blafaseladministrator? That's my password. Oh no, it's blank.19:11
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NaviMy password is **********19:12
KotCzarnywhat's a password?19:12
NaviThat way, people are confused when I accidentally type it into the channel19:12
qwerty12Does anyone know if the mpd port for maemo has any special source (no odd pun or the like intended) or does a straight recompile work? I need the headers for something.19:13
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NaviProbably a straight compile19:13
Naviit's about half a year outdated too19:13
qwerty12Hehe, thanks19:13
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magicrobotmonkeywow mpd on the tablet, thats sweet19:14
qwerty12Where have you been? :p19:14
magicrobotmonkeytheres too much to pay attention too19:14
magicrobotmonkeywhat about sshfs?19:15
qwerty12Yep, by solmumaha19:15
magicrobotmonkeythats what im waiting for, so when im home i can mount my music collection19:15
KotCzarnysshfs is a straight compile19:15
KotCzarnyjust grab the archive and unpack to /19:15
magicrobotmonkeydamn i gotta get on that19:15
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KotCzarnyever used sdk?19:16
dougtwhat is the command to keep the screen from dimming (turning off)?19:16
qwerty12Grab moredimmingoptions and set the timeout to 24h19:16
NaviYou need a command?19:16
qwerty12Or edit gconf yourself.19:16
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lopzde regreso del servicio técnico con su router19:17
qwerty12I'm about to build the pengest mpd ever: :P (I only need it for header files and the like :P)19:19
Navionly wav support19:20
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qwerty12You know you want it :p19:21
Navisez u19:22
qwerty12of course :p19:22
NaviMy buddy needs to give me ssh access19:23
NaviI can't deal with Apache dieing and not being able to restart it anymore19:23
qwerty12Go to the server and fire some shots from a glock into it for being a lazy crap :p19:24
KotCzarnymaybe he found out about your dirty big bandwidth excess :P19:24
NaviNah, his entire VPS is down.19:24
KotCzarnymaybe he is blocking your ip19:24
BlafaselThe real WTF is using apache instead of lightweight servers. *hides*19:24
NaviNote: Don't use Bluehost if you value uptime.19:25
qwerty12I don't, sounds great!19:25
KotCzarnymy wrt54g has ~60d of uptime already19:25
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KotCzarnyand it was because i pulled the wrong plug when moving my laptop19:25
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qwerty12lmao, I thought all these composers were boring pooms :p19:28
mikedep333yeah, I mean, they're always dressed so formally19:28
KotCzarnyno, it's those 'political/family correctness guys' that are boring19:28
KotCzarnyartist are usually hip19:28
Navino more personal menu crashes19:31
KotCzarnyit crashed?19:31
KotCzarnynever noticed19:32
qwerty12Yeah, when adding apps sometimes19:32
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qwerty12Ok, I'm using Penguinbaits easy install KDE (where it makes 2 image files on the mmc), I don't want to do mmc boot. But I can't connect my N800 via usb even when kde is closed, so is there any way I can unmount the images?19:34
KotCzarnyumount -d /mount/point19:35
Capn_Fishumount /dev/loop0?19:35
qwerty12Thanks, I'll try it out.19:35
KotCzarnytype mount alone to see what's mounted19:36
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qwerty12Capn_Fish is right, /dev/loop0 is mounted but when I unmount as root, it says it is busy :/19:37
KotCzarnyclose the apps, terms19:37
qwerty12I did lsof on it, I need to close down xrdp and x11vnc, but some libraries are running of it :/. Just have to hope for the best.19:38
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qwerty12Hehe, penguinbait really needs to understand the function of the stop function in init scripts :p19:39
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qwerty12Goddam, hildon-desktop sux. I just disabled all my applets and the thing crashes >.>19:44
KotCzarnykill it again and you get them back19:44
qwerty12Nah, I wanted to disable it to test a little something I compiled :)19:45
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RST38hFor everybody missing OMWeather:19:55
RST38hVlad is currently hiking and will be back in <=20 days19:55
qwerty12johnx mentioned a unofficial fix before :)19:55
KotCzarnyvlad the impaler?19:55
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RST38hVlad The Weatherman19:57
qwerty12Makin it rain on dem ***z19:57
qwerty12Ok, anyone know which package the command fold is part of?19:59
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qwerty12Ah, coreutils.20:00
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_berto_solmumaha: are you there?20:27
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RST38hCould somebody put this into topic:20:31
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solmumaha_berto_: yes20:46
jldiazI'm trying to compile myself omweather, but ./configure complains about lacking liblocation20:46
jldiazwhat package needs to be installed?20:46
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_berto_solmumaha: did you want to translate vagalume into finnish?20:49
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_berto_we're releasing on monday or so20:49
thpwhat can I do against the message "Application [...] did not provide valid .desktop file"?20:50
thpmy application has everything in place (icon in /usr/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons/hicolor), a valid desktop file and all20:50
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solmumaha_berto_: i could, but it may not be perfect20:51
solmumahai did look at it, not too many strings20:51
_berto_I added some more this week, but the file is still very short20:51
jldiaz_berto_: are you alberto garcia?20:52
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_berto_/whois _berto_20:52
_berto_(yes, I am)20:52
_berto_you were working on the wii remote control, weren't you?20:53
jldiazYes, it was me :-)20:53
jldiazI changed the mechanism for controlling the tablet from the wiimote20:53
_berto_the dbus methods are ready20:53
jldiazoh thanks!20:54
jldiazbut now my remote control does not require dbus support20:54
jldiazit generates fake x-window events20:54
jldiazand this makes it much more general20:54
jldiazhowever, it requires the application to be controlled to be in foreground20:54
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jldiazso I'm still in doubt about wheter use dbus or not20:55
jldiazin principle, the mapping from wiimote buttons to actions into the tablet is very configurable20:55
_berto_solmumaha: if you want to translate the file wait 'til I update it first :)20:56
_berto_if not, no problem :)20:56
solmumahasure, but don't tell anyone it's from me20:58
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wnightDoes anyone have libreadline-ruby? I'm trying to get the source and build it but not having any luck.20:59
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dolskeAnyone reading Planet Maemo via Google Reader? The past couple of days I've it's just been showing me raw HTML for posts, but only for those from the PM feed.21:22
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inzIt's been working just fine for me21:23
magicrobotmonkeyme too21:23
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X-Fade_dolske: Are you using the atom feed or the rss2.0?21:25
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dolskehmm, just whatever's been working for months. /me checks...21:25
X-Fade_Try changing that to rss.xml .21:27
X-Fade_See if that makes a difference.21:27
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dolskeyeah, the rss2 feed seems to work.21:27
dolskestupid feeds. :/21:28
X-Fade_Hmm there was an update in the feed software yesterday.21:28
X-Fade_dolske: Did you have that problem before yesterday around this time?21:29
dolskeI'm not entirely sure when it started. It's within the last day or two, though.21:29
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X-Fade_dolske: It seems the server reports the wrong encoding.21:33
X-Fade_I'll look into it.21:33
dolskeyeah, that would do it.21:34
X-Fade_it seems to default to US_ASCII where it should do UTF-8.21:34
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dolskeoh, encoding? I was thinking content type. I'd expect ascii vs utf8 to just result in some occasional garbage characters... then again, feeds are picky about all kinds of weird stuff.21:42
X-Fade_no, it should send encoding utf-8 with the mime type.21:43
pyhimysYay!(?) Now I got a coredump. bme_RX-34-6-349.core21:44
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jldiazwhat RX stands for?21:47
jldiazas in rx-44, or in the name of the .bin flash images21:47
pyhimysI think it is just architecture21:47
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inzRX-34 = N800, RX-44 = N81021:49
inzSU-18 = 77021:49
balrog-kunthat still doesn't tell you what RX stands for :)21:50
* qwerty12_N800 loves conky with mpd. I finally got round to removing libgtkmozembed from status file.21:50
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inzbalrog, no, it doesn't, but it tells, what RX-44 means21:55
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qwerty12_N800This irc channel is set to blow in case of failure22:01
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balrog-kunthe risk is that RX doesn't mean anything22:06
balrog-kunmaybe it sounds like "rex" if you read it quickly22:06
RST381Let us see if using xchat-maemo with bt keyboard is comfortable enough22:06
balrog-kunwhich is not very meaningful either22:06
RST381Feels ok although there is noticeable lag22:06
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WorkingOnWiseis there any chance that I will be able to use the N800 webcam via flash on websites once Diablo is out?22:10
qwerty12_N800It's a flash problem in general,, it's not nokia's fault22:10
RST381WoW: Unlikely22:11
qwerty12_N800Someone needs to do a working port of flashcam, I tried and failed22:11
WorkingOnWiseHas anyone tried it in Minefield yet?22:14
WorkingOnWiseI'll try it then.22:15
qwerty12_N800i was joking :p :)22:16
WorkingOnWisei'm dense qwerty12_N800 draw me a map. what were you joking about?22:17
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qwerty12_N800about the aah thing, I'm as confused as you are22:18's nice here huh?22:19
WorkingOnWiseconfusion cafe I mean22:19
RST38xWhy does it lag so much? =(]22:19
qwerty12_N800lol :D22:19
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liquid217the bluetooth packets are carried by little invisible ants to your tablet22:23
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liquid217are you using an igo stowaway?22:24
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liquid217thinking about getting one22:24
RST38xLooks like these ants are on drugs22:25
RST38xUsing Apple BT kbd22:25
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RST38xReally nice, except for a little dent on the aluminium casing that was there when I unpacked it22:25
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RST38xI think it is prediction that makes it slow22:29
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lcukRST38h, it might be, ive got identical apple bt keyboard (i think, the mini one)  i get no noticable lag, though occasionally it will repeat a string of letters.22:32
RST38xNo, prediction is not to blame. And I moved Cell phone to a different room, so it is not interfering.22:33
lcukits like it stutters when cpu gets busy on the device - normally im just typing and it will gggggo loads even though i dont type for longer22:33
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RST38xPlugged in bt headphones. Let us see if it stutters....22:41
RST38xWell, headphones stutter but not the keyboard =022:41
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ralannso how often do you all find yourselves rebooting your n810?22:48
RST38bisNow, this feels much faster22:48
magicrobotmonkeyi did today for omweather, it was the first time it at least a few weeks22:48
RST38bisIt looks like Pidgin was the main problem - it does not like too much text22:49
ralannomweather was giving me trouble this week22:49
magicrobotmonkeyyea, changed their rss feed url or something22:49
ralanni find a bunch of flash on the web makes it act sluggish for a while22:49
ralannmagicrobotmonkey: is it working again22:50
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ralanni actually turned it off22:50
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magicrobotmonkeyon a plane, you can probably use it in offline mode, right?22:51
ralanni would hope so22:51
ralannyou can use laptops22:51
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RST38bisYou can even use phones, just don't show them off22:54
ralannso i hear22:54
ralanni watched somebody live stream takeoff via evdo22:55
RST38bisThe "interference with avionics" is mostly a myth not supported by evidence22:55
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ralanni hear it was a ploblem with OLD phones, but not newer ones22:55
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ralannomweather still hates me22:58
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balrog-kuni heard it was a potential risk and confirming it or rejecting would take some expensive experiments and time,22:59
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balrog-kunso the first airlines prohibited phones on board and other followed, now some of the more expensive airlines have done the tests and allow cell phones, but the results can't be reused by all airlines immediately23:00
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RST38bisThe idea is not to let passengers use phones. The idea is to charge them money for it!23:09
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balrog-kunand spy on them!23:12
ralannstill can't get the weather to work23:12
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lcukralann, have you tried doing a raindance?23:28
ralannweather says i have an invalid location23:29
ralannlast i chacked i was on earth23:29
lcuknot that i disbelieve you, but can you back up that statement?23:29
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ralannmmmm, no23:30
lcuktherefore if you cannot confirm you are on earth how the heck is the computer meant to suss it out for you?23:30
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ralanni dunno23:30
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RST38bisralann: have you downloaded new package from
RST38bisralann: you have to install updated omweather23:31
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RST38bisIt is available from
RST38bisDownload, install, reboot, enjoy23:31
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ralannthx, no wonder i didn't find it... i don't speak russian23:35
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RST38bisit's ok, just download the .deb23:36
RST38bisignore the rest23:36
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ralann is my friend23:37
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RST38bisFriends like these can be treacherous23:38
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Siliciumhi there23:39
Siliciumanyone know about ubuntu at n800?23:39
Siliciumiam searching for the flash image23:39
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RST38bisSilicum: Continue searching, man!23:41
KotCzarnysearch and destroy!23:41
RST38bisImage is nothing. Thirst is everything!23:41
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ralanndunno if it's right23:44
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flo_lapSilicium: found an image?23:45
* flo_lap gave up23:45
Siliciumdoesnt exist :)23:45
Siliciumso there are only a few packages already ported23:46
KotCzarnyprobably someone found and destroyed already23:46
Siliciumso i need to compile it from scrapt23:46
Siliciumerr from repository23:46
KotCzarnycompile from scrap, not bad23:46
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RST38bissounds like a plan!23:47
KotCzarnygreen software?23:48
KotCzarny(ie. recycled)23:48
Siliciumwhat you can do is, boot maemo, install a new bootloader and then chroot the ubuntu on a mmc card23:48
Siliciumso is a lot of work23:48
KotCzarnyis it?23:48
KotCzarnyi'm booting from mmc already23:48
Siliciumthats no problem23:49
KotCzarnyand it wasn't much of a work23:49
Siliciumthe problem is, build ubuntu from scratch23:49
ralannmaybe try #ubuntu-mobile23:49
jldiazthere is a way of having midi music in scummvm? in particular for "The secret of Monkey Island"23:49
jldiazI can hear the sound effects but not the music23:50
Siliciumprobably not defaulty23:50
RST38bisYou should definitely get a computing farm made of N810s for this23:50
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magicrobotmonkeya mobile cluster23:51
Siliciumjldiaz: you need rosegarden or equal23:51
RST38bisThat is what Canonical uses to compile Ubuntu for Nokia.23:51
Siliciumlol :D23:51
Siliciumi want to run OpenBSD on it23:51
jldiazSilicium: timidity? there is a maemon port?23:51
RST38bisBut look at the bright side: after all this trouble you will get a really free operating system, free like Richard Stallman!23:51
KotCzarnyi think i have compiled timidity23:52
KotCzarnydon't remember if it was working though, probably yes23:52
SiliciumRST38bis: ubuntu is shithole23:52
SiliciumDebian or Gentoo are free23:52
Siliciumubuntu is a commercial fork23:52
RST38bisAh, that way...Yes, definitely23:52
jldiazoh, btw, I was trying to compile myself omweather23:52
Siliciumwith many properitary drivers on it23:53
RST38bisCompile HURD then - real Gnu OS23:53
Siliciumhurd on N80023:53
RST38bisjldiaz: scroll up, find address, download from there, install, reboot, enjoy23:53
Siliciummaybe i will install for playing Duke Nukem Forever23:53
NullM0demjldiaz: which version of monkey island ? i have music on version 323:53
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RST38bisjldiaz: the forum is in russian, so just look for the link to a deb file23:53
jldiazbut configure complains about liblocation23:53
* RST38bis read "configure complains about lubrication" and wondered.23:54
jldiazNullM0dem: version 1. I also have music in other games23:54
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jldiazI cant find any liblocation package, though23:56
NullM0demjldiaz: The versions i use have the sountracks in mp323:56
jldiazcd version then23:56
NullM0demi think timidity will convert midi to mp323:57
NullM0demas 1 did not have a cd version if i remember right23:57
ralannanyway, thx for the help23:58
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