IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-05-07

lirakis_workso i reflashed to the newest os2008 on my n810 and installed modest00:02
lirakis_work.. but i cant figure out which "mail" it is00:02
lirakis_worki installed it under communications... but i just see two applications that say "mail"00:02
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lirakis_workand when i start them .. they both look exactly the same00:05
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lirakis_worknice .. i got it .. just uninstalled and reinstalled to extras00:08
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zakmhas somebody ported cplay ( commandline music player. ) for 2008HE?00:15
zakmor 2007HE.00:15
MrDowntempohas any one had success getting mono on OS200800:16
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lcukthe std or the .net clone?00:22
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Proteouswhen are you going to port wine?00:29
ProteousI want to play WoW on my 77000:30
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KotCzarnyuse vnc00:35
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lcukevening gents00:44
KotCzarnyhi lcuk00:44
lardmanhi lcuk00:44
lcukwhos got their 810 with them00:44
lardmanI've got an N800 here and my n810 is somewhere around00:45
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lcukwhen you are in here, does it sit idle00:45
KotCzarnyin where?00:46
lcuksat talking00:46
lardmanwhen I'm talking you mean?00:46
lcukyer, im thinking of making an ickle game00:46
KotCzarnymine is somewhere on my desk00:46
lardmanNo, I usually only log on when I'm doing dev work00:46
JaffalcukÂ:on my N810 in a keynote about whizzy JavaFX stuff00:46
lcukim just thinking something dead simple that would suit the device and which could have lots of players00:47
lardmanJaffa: Have you asked them nicely if they won't sue...? :)00:47
lcuk:D w00t jaffa00:47
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lcuksomething like multi player airhockey00:48
term-sigJaffa: javaFX ?00:48
KotCzarnyi treat irc as a game00:48
lcukso do i - but i faff whilst im talking00:49
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lcuki spin my pen or my lighter or i doodle00:49
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KotCzarnysbc ?00:51
lardmanonly writing the DSP task bit though, the main stuff will be in a thread it lauches00:51
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zakmwhich is better on a nokia 770 ... 2007HE or 2006? ... i run pidgin, builtin browser and mplayer/builtin video player00:55
zakmneed performance way more than visual00:55
zakmbut if its 0.1% difference... visual will be better lol00:56
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lardmanprobably 2006 then00:56
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zakm 2006 is better?00:57
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zakmdoes google talk work on 2006?00:57
lardmanI run 2006, so I'm only going from what I've heard00:57
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lardmanMy understanding is that 2007HE is slower00:57
zakmas soon as i bought my nokia i updated to 2007HE ? then 2008HE but 2008 is too buggy / slow on 77000:57
zakmcan you run google talk on yours?00:57
zakmthe builtin chat/ internet call ?00:58
lardmanI've never tried I'm afraid00:58
zakmi do it fine on my nokia 77000:58
lardmanI've no need of it00:58
zakmreal great. but i dont know if it works on 2006?00:59
zakmreal nice IM'ing?00:59
lardmanI'm happy to try it for you to avoid a wasted reflash00:59
lardmanwhere do I download it from?00:59
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term-siganybody know why i`m getting error message about problems with initliazing screen handling ? (irssi)01:00
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zakmits builtin01:00
zakmon the "home" .. on left side click on the ppl01:00
zakmunder the web picture at top left01:00
zakmand tell me if theres "internet call and chat button" .. thanks01:01
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zakmterm-sig: i got those too01:01
lardmanI have: View contacts; View Inbox; New e-mail; New call; New Chat01:01
zakmyes thank you01:01
zakmdo you know where i could find the 2006 bin's?01:01
zakmthat link ?01:01
zakmi was there yesterday but i cant seem to find it at the moment01:01
lardmanwas it even released for 2006?01:01
zakmlardman: how much did you pay for your rs-mmc?01:02
zakmwhat was released for 2006?01:02
lardmanfor 4Gb01:02
KotCzarnyin uk, probably01:02
zakmwish i knew earlier01:02
zakmmy whole family is from the uk01:02
zakmand some just came to visit lol01:02
zakmi need cheap ones for canada ;p01:03
KotCzarnyask them to send it?01:03
lardman£12.99 inc VAT to be exact01:03
zakmim thinking that01:03
zakmbut it might be easier by ebay?01:03
KotCzarnyas a birthday gift etc.01:03
lardmanshocking that something in the UK is cheap :)01:03
zakmmy birthday was like a month ago lol01:03
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zakmlardman: oh yeah.. lol i been to the uk uhmm 4 times? im 17 .. live in Toronto Canada01:04
lardmanzakm: It's a Sandisk card though, so you'll need an adaptor made by someone else01:04
zakmlardman: food expensive eh? :P01:04
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zakmi have many adapters01:04
zakmhey would minisd's work?01:04
zakmthere somewhat the same size arent they?01:04
lardmanzakm: Everything in expensive, especially petrol/gas (well gas is too now that I think about it)01:04
zakmhah petrol :P01:05
zakmyeah well .. bus fair is good in the uk01:05
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zakmwhere abouts in the uk are you?01:05
lardmanzakm: Should do, but micro do larger sizes for less money01:05
lardmanIn Bath01:05
zakmmicro or mini?01:05
zakmBath? never heard of01:05
lardmanHas famous Roman Baths01:05
zakmi wish somebody just knocked on my house door and sold me a rs-mmc :(01:06
zakmi so want to install debian on it01:07
lardmanWhy can't you use a standard SD?01:07
zakmthey work?01:07
zakmive tried.. it wouldnt recognize it ?01:07
lardmanon the 770?01:07
zakmi have a 77001:07
zakmhow do you get them to work ?01:07
KotCzarnyhave you flashed custom kernel?01:07
zakmis that all i have to do?01:07
zakmany guide on it?01:08
zakmim running linux atm01:08
lardmanzakm: ah no, it's a reduced size slot; getting confused with the N80001:08
zakmSD's half fit?01:08
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zakmwidth wise they fit? but stick out01:08
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lardmanbut the door must be closed for it to be mounted....01:08
KotCzarnystill, default kernel doesn't know about sd protocol01:08
zakmdidnt know that01:08
term-sigzakm: then u fix that problem with irssi?01:08
zakmno. i just stopped using it term-sig .. i run xchat instead01:09
zakmruns very well on it :D01:09
zakmi personally love irssi for desktop but idk what it is xchat is nice on the nokia01:09
zakmand has visual tabs.. so you can press .. :P rather than typing on the nokia to change channels01:10
zakmcould anyone please help me find a toronto store selling cheap rs-mmc .. or craigslist / ebay  or something01:10
lardmananyone happen to know which bit of Bluez the sbc encoder lives in?01:12
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lardman has a recursive source directory01:13
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lardmanhmm, svn didn't do quite what I was hoping...01:23
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NaviWhere can I grab the proprietary packages?01:26
Navifor tablet-browser-ui and such, that is01:26
gpdcrap - ubuntu updated unison to 2.27 - now unison on maemo is too old to sync - if someone could compile I would be very grateful :)01:26
lardmanNavi: for scratchbox?01:27
NaviI need armel packages.01:27
lardmanNavi: binaries should be on the device?01:27
NaviI removed osso-browser, tablet-browser-ui, tablet-browser-controls, and tablet-browser-default-plugin01:27
gpd <- :D01:27
Naviand they're not in the repos01:27
lardmanoh, I see01:27
KotCzarnythey are01:28
KotCzarnybut in a different one01:28
KotCzarnyi think01:28
NaviLink me.01:28
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Navioh, and microb-eal01:29
lardmanI can't see anything of interest under chinook or maemo4.001:29
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KotCzarnythat's source though01:29
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gpdcrap - it came from hardy-backports - grumble01:30
lardmanoooh, free, I forgot that01:30
KotCzarnybut osso-browser, it's the proper name?01:30
NaviYes, that's the proper package name.01:31
lardmanNavi: There's always the repo provided by the Garage project01:31
NaviI have it in my sources.list01:31
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KotCzarnyok, so the other ones aren't available for chinook01:31
lardmanI'd try, otherwise I don't know01:31
lardmanah, 3.2 I see01:31
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KotCzarnythey are for bora though01:33
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zakmis that better than the default in 2006?01:34
lardmannot sure it will work in 200601:36
lardmanbut it has more features, but is slower than Opera IMO01:37
NaviThis is retarded01:37
zakmuhm is it possible to have 2007 default skin.. in 2006?01:38
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zakmthe 2006 skin is uhmm .. ugly imho01:39
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lardmanI prefer the small buttons though; would be good if they were an option on OS200801:41
zakmyou can download old skins01:42
zakmlike small pt skins01:42
zakmof the default skins01:42
lardmanAre the themes compatible? As it's a theme setting rather than a skin01:42
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KotCzarnyisn't skin a theme?01:43
zakmyeah sorry01:43
zakmtheres the default themes.. but in different size fonts01:43
lardmanKotCzarny: part of it01:43
zakmas a "extra package'01:43
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NaviHow do you extract the image?01:48
zakmis the newest 2006 .. bora or mistral / gregale ?01:48
zakmextract the image?01:48
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Navithe FIASCO image01:49
zakmwhy would you extract it?01:49
zakmyou install with it01:49
lardmanlook at the help for the flasher01:50
lardmanruin it without any arguments; there's an option to unpack the FIASCO image01:50
Naviah, didn't see it01:50
zakmis 2006 .. gregale or mistral?01:51
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lardmannight all01:54
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lirakisI upgraded to the latest 2008 for my n810 and now when i try to install mplayer it says "unable to install mplayer"02:01
lirakisIt gives no "details" either so .. I have no clue whats wrong :O02:03
lirakisFyi: i have  OS200802:09
lirakisVersion: 2.2007.51-302:09
lcukthis kind of error is sometimes caused by your repos being screwed up.  just have a rummage through and clean up any unrequired ones02:09
lirakisI literally reflashed this a few hours ago02:10
lirakisI havent added any repos02:10
lcukhave you run any .installs02:10
lirakisI enabled the extras repo... But nothing besides that02:10
lirakisYeah.. I installed "modest mail"02:10
lcuk.install adds repos02:10
lcukor can02:11
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lirakis.. But i mean.. Should i just disable the modest repos and try to install mplayeR?02:11
lcukits worth a shot, and in doing so the repo list will be rebuilt :)02:11
lcukapplication list i mean02:12
lirakisOk .. Yeah i just went and looked .. Modest is the only other repo that wasnt in by default02:12
lirakis Wtf02:13
lirakisNow it doesnt even show mlpayer.. Only kmplayer02:14
KotCzarnyenable extras now02:14
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lcukand obtain it from the correct location :)   does that mean modest is hosting mplayer?02:14
lcukor at least advertising it02:15
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lirakisI disabled modest... Then i disabled extras02:15
lirakisthen i let it rebuild02:15
lirakisThen i enabled extras02:15
lirakisThen i search for mplayer02:15
lirakisand it only shows kmplayer02:15
zakmis there any other emulation besides scuumvm , gba and mame?02:15
zakmgba reboots my nokia 770 -.-02:16
KotCzarnyzakm: pupnik.de02:16
lcukkmplayer is the front end to mplayer isnt it02:16
lirakisBut if it cant find mplayer i bet it will fail02:17
lirakisAnd i dont want kmplayer.. Just mplayert02:17
zakmmplayer is cli ?02:17
zakmyou can run mplayer in terminal?02:17
zakmgmplayer = the mplayer your probably trhinking of02:17
lirakisit has a stripped down file load front end02:17
zakmyeah gmplayer02:17
lcukgo here
lcukclick the .install and get yourself the correct repos02:18
jldiazwhere can be found the latest version of osso-xterm, packaged as a .deb?02:18
zakmi have it on my 2006 ;p02:18
KotCzarnyjldiaz: or something02:18
zakmhey would 2005 bef aster than 2006 ? lol02:19
jldiazI downloaded yesterday from
jldiazbut this not seems to be an official site02:19
lirakisUh.. Wtf .. Now it says mplayer is already installed02:19
lirakisThis is bizzare02:19
jldiazwhy is not published at garage?02:19
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zakmofficial? isnt it all community-based mostly02:22
jldiazwell, I mean, osso-xterm is hosted at garage, and there you can download the source code from svn and compile yourself02:23
jldiazbut there is not a .deb for the latest tagged version02:23
jldiazinstead, you have to download it from private user's sites02:23
jldiazthe version at maemo-hackers seems to be a bit outdated, isn't?02:24
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jldiazthere is no version for chinook...02:24
zakmwhy not just use the repo ?02:24
lirakisBizzare,, mplayer says unable to install .. But it shows up in the menu.. And it runs .. It just doesnt play vids ... So i installl kmplayer and it works fine02:24
zakmchinook has its own term02:24
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jldiazwhich is also called osso-xterm02:25
lirakisThis is the kind of shit that made me put debian in the garbage and move to freebsd02:25
jldiazI'm confused about the whole xterm affair02:25
zakmxterm is nice i used to use it for my desktop02:25
zakmnow i use urxvt02:25
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jldiazlet me clarify myself... I have a n810 with OS200802:26
jldiazit comes with a "Xterm" in the extras menu02:26
jldiazit is ok, but when I switch off the toolbar, it reappears next time I launch it02:26
jldiazthis is annoying02:26
jldiazsomeone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version"02:26
zakmso save ur settings02:27
jldiazno, zakm. Apparently it is a bug. That setting is not saved02:27
zakmjldiaz find out the xterm config file and change it .. so everytime you open xxterm it reads what u want02:27
jldiazeven if you modify "at hand" the %gconf file, it reappears02:27
jldiazso someone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version"02:27
jldiazat that time I assumed that this was a nokia project02:28
jldiazit fixed the aforementioned bug02:28
jldiazbut it was only available in source code form02:28
jldiazsomeone pointed me to
jldiazthere were the .debs02:29
jldiazI downloaded and installed them, and now I'm happy with my xterm, because the statusbar setting is preserved02:29
jldiazin addition, this version lets me to choose the encoding02:30
zakmanyone try scuumvm on nokia?02:30
jldiaznow, I was about blogging about this, but then realized that seems an inappropiate site to refer to02:30
jldiazapparently it is a personal server of the guy that was helping me in this channel02:31
zakmyou have a nokia blog?02:31
jldiazthis is why I'm asking now about other "more official" site to find the .deb02:31
jldiazI will have one, still did not write the first entry :-)02:31
zakmis it possible to run debian on a 64mb rs-mmc card?02:32
zakmon the nokia02:32
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zakmcould i use the 128mb internal?02:33
KotCzarnybut i haven't tried it02:33
zakmare you sure of anything? :D lol02:33
zakmi want to try debian :(02:34
jldiazA question02:34
zakmwell on the nokia..02:34
jldiazin the control panel, how is named in english the item related to the "text input" or "text entry"02:34
jldiazmy device is localized in spanish, and it calls it "Entrada de texto"02:34
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zakmdo a spanish to english dictionary?02:36
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zakmText input settings02:36
jldiazI would prefer to know the exact wording used by nokia02:36
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jldiazanyway, forget about it02:36
jldiazI re-localized the device in english, so I can find the answer myself02:37
zakmi checked on my nokia.02:37
jldiazaha... "Text input settings"02:37
zakmi didnt do a translator02:37
MrDowntempoAnyone been able to get tomboy notes running under maemo?02:37
zakmMrDowntempo: didnt know you could .. i just use the builtin notes app02:38
jldiazoh, you answered me... I didn't read your answer, sorry.02:38
jldiazand thanks02:38
jottjldiaz: btw, it's my server and there are no official debs of newer osso-xterm versions at the moment.02:38
jldiazah, jott, yes... You were the guy which helped me. Thanks again and sorry for forgetting your nick02:39
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jottjldiaz: may ping the project members like inz if they are willing to put a more recent version on the garage site...02:39
jottthat would be the appropiate place, as i suppose the extras repository is not meant for bumping versions of core components02:41
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zakmjldiaz: http://770.fs-security-com/xterm02:43
KotCzarnybad link02:43
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jott-com vs. .com :)02:44
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zakmhi .. my nokia is just all white03:04
zakmit was fine .. then i shut it off.. then i turned it on03:04
zakmand it stays white03:04
zakmi tried charger .. etc03:04
zakmand then it goes like03:05
zakmsilver? and freezes03:05
zakmlike really odd looking03:05
zakmalot of veritcal lines03:05
KotCzarnywhite screen of death03:05
zakmhow do i fix?03:05
KotCzarnygoogle for 770 wsod03:05
zakmit was working fine two seconds ago -.-03:06
KotCzarnypeople die too03:06
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zakmnot the same thing lol03:07
KotCzarnyyeah, electronics can be fixed after death03:07
KotCzarnyby replacing some parts03:07
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zakmno way03:08
zakmi just bought it03:08
zakmi dont have money to fix it03:09
zakmi spent all my money03:09
KotCzarnyprobably just software thing03:09
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zakmit wont connect to pc?03:09
KotCzarnycan't help you more than directing to google03:10
KotCzarnybecause i don't own a 77003:10
zakmreflashing it03:11
zakmluckily pc recognizes it03:11
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KotCzarnyyou will get used to reflashing03:12
zakmnow i have a black box?03:14
zakmin the center lol03:14
zakmand thats it03:14
zakmreflashing didnt help :(03:14
jottzakm: does not sound that promising03:14
jottseems your device is really dead :(03:15
zakmi was just using it03:15
zakmon gba emulation03:15
zakmtrying it out?03:15
zakmthe visualboyadvance from repo03:15
zakmpllayed a game.. rebooted it03:15
zakmand now its a brick?03:15
Naviall rightee03:17
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KotCzarnyif it responds to flasher try different os?03:17
Navireflashed with the latest microb-engine svn installed :/03:17
zakmKotCzarny: you mean like 2008 mameo?03:18
NaviAnyone know any good JS benches?03:18
KotCzarnyzakm: anything03:18
zakmdont have anything else03:18
zakmand only a 64mb rs-mmc?03:18
zakmim trying 200803:18
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zakmlcuk: know how to fix a recent WSOD?03:19
lcuknever personally seen one and hope i never do, nope sorry03:19
zakmomg any thoughts03:20
zakmi just bought it off ebay two weeks ago03:20
zakmso i have no warranty03:20
zakmand im broke financially now03:20
KotCzarnyfrom the article jott posted it looks like a hardware issue, device seems to boot03:20
KotCzarnyi would try reflashing with different os03:21
jottlcd controlled seems to be screwed up03:21
zakmyeah it boots and all03:21
zakmbut nothing on screen03:21
zakmi just rebooted it03:21
zakmnothing could've moved?03:21
zakmyeah i hear the bootup noise and all03:21
KotCzarnylots of things move03:21
KotCzarnyeven if you don't see it03:21
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zakmcould i open it up and try to fix?03:22
zakmyeah if i press buttons the screen changes03:22
KotCzarnybut be aware that connectors are very delicate03:22
zakmits like blue and white03:22
zakmand when i click .. they like trade spots?03:22
zakmi can shut it off03:23
zakmits just the screen displaying is wrong03:23
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zakmFinishing flashing... done03:26
zakmSending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown03:26
NaviCan someone run the sunspider JS bench?03:26
NaviI want to compare numbers03:26
jottzakm: you could check at you local nokia site if your device still is under warranty (you just need the serial)03:27
zakm.. i bought it on ebay?03:29
zakmand the warranty finished like a week ago ( seller's warranty )03:29
jottwell check if nokia may still provides it03:29
zakmi think the person had it for long03:30
jottas manufacturer warranty might be longer03:30
zakmapparantly nokia's is one year03:30
zakmaccording to forum03:30
zakmand the person had it longer03:30
jottdepends on the country/jurisdiction :)03:30
zakmim in Canada03:31
jott just give it a shot, the worse that can happen is a "No!" :/03:33
zakmk thx03:34
jottok a big laughing face and a finger pointing at you could make this more humiliating :P03:34
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benhsomebody knows a place where I can order a pre-made USB "host" OTG cable for the n810 ?03:51
benhsomething I don't have to solder on to turn it into a host cable ?03:51
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tank-mani saw one advertisted in a thread on the internettabletforum03:56
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benhtank-man: you have an url to the forum ?03:57
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Edgesterhi, anyone here?04:13
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EdgesterAnyone compiled the maemo kernel for intel?04:21
KotCzarnywhat's the point?04:21
Edgesterso I can compile the recommended i386 package for maemo-extras04:22
Edgesterfor openafs04:22
KotCzarnyi still don't get it04:23
EdgesterIn order to upload to maemo extras, I should compile armel & i386 packages04:23
Edgesteropenafs requires a kernel module, ergo, I need arm & i386 maemo kernels04:23
KotCzarnythere is such requirement?04:24
Edgesterif there is no such requirement,then I've been wasting time04:26
KotCzarnyhave you tried ignoring it?04:27
KotCzarnythat will be the first thing i would do04:27
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lcddi just wasted 1,5 hours with amarok which never managed to build the collection04:29
lcddmedia libraries are so fun04:30
EdgesterI'll try ignoring it04:30
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lopzmmm how -> impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd04:53
lopzin n80004:53
lopzimpossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd in my n800 shackan04:54
lopzwhen I connect through the usb pc04:55
shackanwhat does that mean?04:55
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MrDowntempo_oops ;-)04:56
lopzimpossible to connect via USB, MC external in use shackan04:56
lopzmy english is bad, sorry xD04:56
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lopzany ideas ?05:02
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MajMin7Is anyone around?06:14
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GeneralAntillesMicroB svn:
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NaviTotally a virus06:51
n800nthat warning really really worked on me06:53
timelyGeneralAntilles: bah, that guy's taking the fun out of me writing release notes06:53
n800nnot doing it before backup06:53
Navitimely, yeah, that guy is STUPID06:54
timelyGeneralAntilles: fwiw, there's a file i wrote somewhere that suggests how to generate packages for things for which you don't have debs06:54
* Navi hides06:54
rm_youGeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles! :P06:54
timelyNavi: anyway, feel free to try using that to make your own debs of the things for which you don't have debs06:55
NaviI just write my own control scripts06:55
NaviIt was torture to learn, so might as well06:56
timelyNavi: for the os shipped packages that don't have debs?06:56
Navikk :D06:56
timelyworking for nokia, i could just grab the debs from the server at work06:56
timelybut that's no fun06:56
NaviYeah, I reflashed 'cuz I didn't have that stuff.06:56
timelyanyway, have a read06:57
NaviI was pretty angry, but the payoff was all right06:57
NaviBetter browsing experience06:57
timelykeep in mind that you almost certainly can't redistribute the .deb's you'd generate in this manner06:57
timelybut otherwise you can basically safely break and unbreak the device06:57
timelybecause you can reinstall any deb from the original system06:57
GeneralAntillesHey, timely, rm_you. :)06:57
NaviYou guys did nicely on the engine06:57
GeneralAntillesGot the shirt last week, timely. Pure win. :D06:58
rm_youGeneralAntilles: got my n800 sort of working again :)06:58
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timelyfwiw, next week i'm starting to write the release notes06:58
GeneralAntillesHow much soldering did you have to do?06:58
Navitimely, sorry to spoil your fun :(06:58
NaviWoo, release notes06:58
NaviThose are awesome06:58
timelythis week i'm trying to finish off an arch doc from last year that got sidelined06:58
timelyNavi: they're so time consuming06:58
timelyi presume you've read the older ones and the corresponding changelogs?06:59
NaviIndeed, I read through all of them06:59
NaviIt's a time killer06:59
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i took it apart and played with stuff06:59
rm_youi think it is just bas flash memory tho06:59
GeneralAntillesNow it just works?06:59
* timely nods06:59
rm_youi did a reflash06:59
timelyit really does take weeks to convert those things into human readable text :(07:00
Naviplus, I feel it's like an obligation07:00
rm_youi think it just gets corrupted after a little bit07:00
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Navidevs work hard on it07:00
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GeneralAntillesI had a really great idea for adv-backlight last week, but now I've completely forgotten it. :<07:00
rm_youGeneralAntilles: >_<07:00
Naviusuk dood07:00
GeneralAntillesYou ever get around to getting it in Extras?07:01
rm_youGeneralAntilles: I think you have access to the bugtracker / whatever on garage07:01
Navistill wasn't in there, last I checked07:01
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: no >_>_07:01
NaviI'm too lazy to get on ITT and grab it from there07:01
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i still have no idea wtf is going on with that07:01
rm_youno one ever responded to my emails07:01
NaviIt's not like I change the backlight anyways07:01
GeneralAntillesBug X-Fade07:01
timelyNavi: anyway, i'd like to know if those scripts actually work for someone07:02
NaviOh, I'll give it a go in a sec07:02
rm_youanyways, i'll be working on it again after finals07:02
timelyi wrote them for myself a while ago07:02
timelywhen i wanted to install the beta browser on an older os release07:02
NaviI removed a huge amount of things on my second reflash07:04
timelypackages you don't like?07:04
timelylike the content indexer? :)07:04
NaviI kept that07:04
timelyspeaking of which07:04
timelyi should write a package that replaces it07:04
timelyunless someone else already has07:04
NaviI just removed small stuff like sketch, pdf reader, notes, etc etc07:05
lcddGeneralAntilles: it would be nice if the backlight dialog went away by poking anywhere on the screen. close when losing focus?07:05
timelyit should be simple... main () { register_for_sigs; while(1) { sleep(1000000); } return 0; }07:05
NaviI didn't really mind having them there, it's just annoying that they're taking menu space07:05
GeneralAntillesA consequence of the container, lcdd.07:05
timelyyou can move them to some other part of the menu...07:05
NaviI know07:05
lcddGeneralAntilles: no way around it?07:06
GeneralAntillesSomebody figure out how Nokia gets those sliders in their default applets. . . .07:06
Navibut I don't like having to scroll in the menu07:06
GeneralAntillesrm_you ran into a wall trying to figure it out.07:06
timelyGeneralAntilles: which sliders?07:06
GeneralAntillesThe ones for backlight and volume applets07:06
rm_youit's like... Nokia's most closely guarded secret07:07
rm_youwtf container they use for their sliders07:07
NaviI had more than 6x6 desktop files, so there were too many menu entries07:07
GeneralAntillesIf they gave that up, then Apple would win, rm_you. :D07:07
infobotNavi meant: I had more than 36 desktop files, so there were too many menu entries07:07
timelyisn't that something you can figure out by tapping the gtk libs?07:07
rm_youit's sooo stupid.07:07
rm_youtimely: no07:08
timelywhy not?07:08
timelygtk has create_object and set_parent or something07:08
timelycreate object should let you get an object name07:08
rm_youtimely: I spent more than 24 hours over the course of a week or two trying to find out what container their stock backlight/sound apps use07:08
timelyrm_you: brother. i'll look today07:08
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rm_youi have NO idea why the BACKLIGHT APPLICATION is closed source. i mean... seriously :P07:09
MajMin7_hey..  can anyone offer some advice about installing the environment for the N81007:09
MajMin7_I'm stuck07:09
MajMin7_the instructions that I find aren't really helping much07:09
timelyrm_you: for starters, there's a default of writing closed source07:09
GeneralAntillesrm_you, I talked Khertan into writing up a Home applet for the light-meter output. ;)07:10
timelyyou have to spend significant effort trying to get approval to open source07:10
rm_youGeneralAntilles: :P07:10
rm_youah :/07:10
NaviI figured that was the way things went07:10
rm_youI guess that makes sense... It isn't ideal, but it makes sense :07:10
NaviMy Intermediate C professor told me about his buddy07:11
NaviHe "leaked" three lines of code07:11
Navileaked being using three lines of code as an example to someone07:11
timelythere are various things that have to be considered07:11
Naviand he had to write a long report on why those three lines are insignificant07:11
timelysomeone has to ask "is there a business case"07:12
timelysomeone has to ask "are you sure there isn't some IPR that we're trying to protect elsewhere"07:12
timelyit's painful07:12
timelyand sadly rewriting code seems to be something that people are willing to pay for07:12
rm_youGeneralAntilles: what's the name of the binary backlight-applet package?07:12
timelyso the standard "the community will maintain it and save us money" explanation doesn't hold07:13
GeneralAntillesDunno off-hand, rm_you.07:13
NaviGets jobs for developers :D07:13
rm_youk, i'll look it up07:13
timelydpkg -S / dpkg -L are my friends?07:13
GeneralAntillestimely, any chance whether you could comment on whether SSU will bring us more frequent MicroB updates? ;)07:15
timelyi can't comment on SSU07:15
GeneralAntillesAh, damn.07:15
* GeneralAntilles goes back to crossing his fingers.07:15
timelyafaik the goal is to use SSU for future updates07:15
timelyi had actually hoped to use SSU last year07:16
GeneralAntillesSo I recall.07:16
timely(or at least the repository system) to push a browser update07:16
timelymy understanding is that w/ diablo SSU is really theoretically ready07:16
timelysadly the SSU people bugged us just last week about problems07:17
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timelyand they were strange things like "your package breaks recovery mode"07:17
timelyto which we asked "why were you in recovery mode"07:17
timelythey didn't have an answer for that07:17
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timelythat stuff is basically one state mess07:18
timelyour packages use gconf07:18
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timelybut in recovery mode, gconf isn't running07:18
NaviYou guys and your buzzwords :D07:18
timelybut afaiu recovery mode needs to be able to recover really low levels of the system07:18
timelyincluding things before gconf07:18
timelyso they simply can't just "start gconf" before recovering07:18
timelyoh, i have no clue what recovery mode is07:18
timelyall i can tell is that it's some mode where most of the platform isn't running07:19
timelySSU is system software update07:19
timelyor if it isn't, it's something like that07:19
timelymaybe it's seamless software update?07:19
timelyit's generally like windows update07:19
timelyyou get an indicator light in the notification area07:19
timelyit tells you what's available for updating07:19
timelyyou choose to take the update, it downloads it, and installs on the fly07:19
timelydon't ask me about reboot stories, my guess is that enough stuff changes you'd need *one*07:20
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* timely goes back to reading spam07:21
GeneralAntillesSeamless Software Update07:21
GeneralAntillesAt least according to the press release07:21
NaviSpam is awesome07:21
timelyi'd make a joke about healthy breakfasts, but spam isn't kosher07:21
NaviHaha :D07:21
timelyGeneralAntilles: glad to see someone reads the press releases07:25
timelyi'm really annoyed that the maemo-developers@ people don't07:25
timelyis it really that hard to understand that diablo is *not* a new os?07:25
NaviZOMG, Diablo = Ubuntu???07:25
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timelyNavi: how are those scripts doing? :)07:26
NaviHey, was there the underlining of misspelled words in the microb-engine on chinook07:26
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NaviOops :D07:26
GeneralAntillesWell, I don't think most of those people had an issue with understanding that it's a dot release07:26
NaviI'll do that now07:26
n800nis there a way to make the status bar longer soit fits more?07:26
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GeneralAntillesI just think there may have been some higher expectations regarding dot releases based on previous experience.07:27
timelyn800n: the theming is kinda designed assuming a certain widget07:27
timelyGeneralAntilles: i'll need to recheck what changed between chinook and its predecessor07:27
timelyand if you think our buzzwords are bad. keep in mind that i don't remember the public name of the thing before chinook07:28
GeneralAntillesBetween Chinook and Bora? A lot. :P07:28
n800ni hate having to decide between statusbar clock and loadapplet.07:28
GeneralAntillesProbably the most yet.07:28
timelyn800n: in theory i think enough of hildon-desktop is open07:29
GeneralAntillesBut the .0/.1/.2 changes have usually been a little bit bigger than "minor".07:29
timelythat you could rewrite it to have more space07:29
n800nno complaints07:29
timelyn800n: btw, what are the other ones you're using?07:29
timelybecause iirc you have 5 slots + overflow07:29
timelywhich means you have 3 others ...07:29
n800ndefault ones07:30
n800nexcep xchat i guess07:30
GeneralAntillesI recall alterego working on a theme-based solution for more statusbar applets, but I don't know if he got anywhere.07:30
n800nsb clock takes double the space07:30
GeneralAntillesn800n, get advance backlight and kill the backlight and volume ones. ;)07:30
timelyok, but do you use/need wifi?07:30
timelydo you use/need battery?07:31
GeneralAntillesTurn off xchat, too07:31
timelydo you use/need presence?07:31
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n800nstopt making fun of mr07:31
GeneralAntillesHighlights show in the notifications area, anyway.07:31
timelyyou can reorder those to the overflow section07:31
rm_youour main recommendation is advanced-backlight applet :P07:31
* timely pokes Navi07:32
* GeneralAntilles loves being able to read at night.07:32
timelyhow's the script? :)07:32
GeneralAntillesPerfectly, n800n.07:32
timelyor how are the debs, whichever07:32
MajMin7_can anyone help me with maemo/scratchbox installation?07:33
n800ngot a deb link?07:33
Navitimely, yeah, I decided to install ssh first07:33
MajMin7_whats the best readme?07:33
timelyyou don't have ssh? oops07:33
Naviabout to run the script07:33
rm_youn800n: i think?07:33
GeneralAntillesRemember, he nuked his system screwing with things he shouldn't have? :P07:33
timelysadly ssh+sshd are part of the r&d images we use, and i always install them first on my release images, so i don't remember if they aren't standard :)07:33
Navitimely, oh yeah, I already installed the browser packages and stuff07:34
Navishould it still work?07:34
timelyNavi: the scripts are more for making a generic deb for something for which you don't have a deb07:34
timelyyou're not trying to actually install this old browser07:34
timelythat'd be kinda silly :)07:34
timelyi'm just suggesting that you try to use it to make debs for any / all packages for which you don't have debs07:35
timelye.g. the ones you mentioned07:35
timelyi don't remember how comprehensive the script is, i think it's even possible to grab postinst/preinst files from the dpkg staging area if you're really greedy07:36
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timelyhi dougt07:37
dougttimely: how are you doing?07:37
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timelypretty good. this week i'm doing architecture documentation. next week i start writing browser release notes (i hope)07:37
timelyNavi: pastebin.mozilla.org07:37
n800nthis is smart07:37
timelyyou have <10mins before my network flakes07:38
timelyin ~100mins i'll probably only be on (join #foxymonkies and ask someone how to find me)07:38
timelythat's not really a script to run07:39
timelythat's for reading :)07:39
timelythe automation wouldn't get you the packages you want anyway :)07:39
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timely# this is run on a device running 4.200707:40
timelyread around there07:40
timelyi think the .sh files are actually in the same directory07:41
timelyso you can just download them instead of copying the code to generate them out of the web page07:41
Navi"note that the resultant debian packages are probably not legally distributable"07:42
timelyyou're not distributing them, just using them to put files back onto your own device07:42
NaviI know07:42
NaviBut I like the "probably"07:42
timelybut actually, the legalese for updates is really strange07:42
timelymy reading is basically if you own two n800s, you can only update one of them :)07:43
NaviGeneralAntilles, you hear that?07:43
NaviAh damn, no perl07:44
GeneralAntillesI'll do what I damn well please with my own devices tyvm07:44
timelyNavi: eww07:44
NaviUnless it comes with it?07:44
timelyGeneralAntilles: be my guest07:44
n800nok something really weird with adv backlight07:44
timelyNavi: iirc i had the scripts in two pieces07:44
timelythe pieces that ran on the device which were /bin/sh07:45
NaviConfusing O_o07:45
timelyand the pieces to run in scratchbox, which were perl07:45
timelyNavi: the microb-3.2007 file explained it !07:45
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timelyfor someone willing to read changelogs, you seem really unwilling to read  afile that's <100 lines07:46
NaviI'm tired :D07:46
NaviChangelogs are totally restroom reading material07:46
* timely woke up to finnish news07:46
n800nmy status bar is reset, adv-bl is gone07:47
timelywell, sleep on it, and try it when you aren't asleep07:47
NaviNah, if I do, I won't be able to do anything about it 'till Friday07:48
NaviI shouldn't even be awake07:48
timelythat'd be a problem. i'm relatively unreachable fridays (american time zone)07:48
NaviI have exams tomorrow morning >_>07:48
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GeneralAntillesn800n, desktop crashed07:48
timelyanyway, i'm about to be off07:48
GeneralAntillesTry restarting.07:48
NaviSee ya, timely07:49
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timelyif you need me, dougt can help you find me on moznet07:49
dougtNavi: it will cost. ;-)07:49
NaviI have an american penny07:49
NaviWill that do?07:50
* timely marks a bugmail as not spam07:50
dougtdid you know that an american pennies' metal content is worth more than a penny?07:50
dougtsame is true for my 770.07:51
n800nare you steve jobs?07:52
NaviThat was pretty lame, lol07:52
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n800nk adv backlight thumbs way up for the control07:54
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n800nit flickers a bit on very low light08:00
GeneralAntillesCharger in?08:01
GeneralAntillesIt only does it a little for me when I have the charger in on the lowest 4 levels08:01
n800nyeh in08:03
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GeneralAntillesTry taking it out. ;)08:03
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n800nstill, on the lowest 3 i think08:04
n800nit's ok tho08:05
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GeneralAntillesIt may get better with time08:06
GeneralAntillesMy second N800 did it for a bit08:06
GeneralAntillesThen stopped.08:06
n800nit's a hardware thing08:06
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AsiQHey there, I'm running HE2007, and trying to install gizmo for n800, it says that i'm missing some libs, is there a way to update those libs? tnx08:57
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gpdIf anyone has a working scratchbox / build environment for chinook - I would be super grateful if you could compile an armel.deb of unison 2.2710:49
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* timeless looks around10:50
timelessis this thing on? :)10:50
gpdsorry: that one10:50
gpdanyway - shot in the dark - but some kind soul may be listening10:51
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gpdI compiled unison for bora without problems - but no build env atm. :(10:51
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timelessrm_you: how's life?11:07
rm_youJavascript? >_>11:07
timelesswell, i can't very much copy the code as written11:08
timelessso what i gave you was pseudo11:08
timelessthat it happens to resemble a language i speak. well...11:08
rm_youok well....11:15
rm_youdid you see exactly what type of Gtk container it is?11:15
rm_youi don't see that here11:16
rm_youit has a vbox, but that's just a layout container...11:16
gpddon't suppose either of you has a build environment and a spare few minutes :)?11:19
KotCzarnygpd: what do you need compiled?11:27
KotCzarnyif it doesn't require many deps i can try11:27
KotCzarny(before i go to sleep)11:27
gpdKotCzarny: unison version 2.27.5711:29
gpdit is not compatible with the 2.13 series that is on maemo :(11:29
KotCzarnyno debian version?11:29
gpdmaybe in unstable -11:29
gpdno - seemingly still 2.13 in etch :(11:29
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KotCzarny this one?11:30
gpddoubt if there is much difference11:30
gpdah - yes - perfect!11:30
gpdhmm - there is armel in there anyway - don't suppose those work...11:30
timelesswell, that's where i got lost11:31
gpdhave to run - but back in 10 minutes :)11:31
timelessit went through the gtk class macro maze11:31
timelessi don't really speak gobject/gtk macro maze11:32
KotCzarnygpd: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: ocaml-nox (>= 3.10.0-8) liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev (>= 2.6.0-13) chrpath librsvg2-bin (>= 2.18.2) imagemagick11:32
KotCzarnycrazy deps required11:32
KotCzarnymore than 5 minutes of work, so i'm off to bed11:33
timelessthe soundwindow claims to come from gtkwindow11:33
timelessok, i should have looked at the other thing11:34
timelessit's a "statusbar-item"11:35
timelessthe only thing they do w/ it is position it, move it, and realize it11:36
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timelesssorry. there really doesn't seem to be anything else interesting here11:37
timelessoh yes, statusbar-item is defined in hildon-desktop11:38
timelessso that's probably the key you want/need :)11:38
timelesshrm, although oddly, that doesn't actually have a string by that nmae11:40
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timelessor not11:43
* timeless shrugs11:43
timelessTempt has changed the topic on channel #opensolaris to OpenSolaris 2008.05 discussion in #os200805 ...11:43
timelessboy it's really confusing for two channels to talk about os2008..11:43
timelessyeah, sorry, that is the key11:44
timelessthe statusbar item it has is derived from the normal StatusbarItem I pointed to11:44
timelessit just has a couple of other bits11:44
rm_youlooking into statusbad-item now11:47
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rm_youi completely fail at finding any reference to that in the APIs11:50
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rm_youis there supposed to be... like... something here?
rm_youapparently these APIs are from Bora >_>11:56
* rm_you tests11:58
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gpdKotCzarny: thanks for trying11:59
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rm_youdon't suppose there's any better documentation for this ANYWHERE?12:03
rm_youi guess I can just read the header :/12:03
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trickie_hrw: sorry haven't been near my dev setup to test those modules yet12:18
trickie_hrw: will try to get to it tonight12:18
hrwtrickie_: ok12:18
hrwmorning all btw12:18
trickie_morning :)12:18
timelessi did a quick check and couldn't find any consumers12:19
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SaviqHi all, I'm trying to install the os2008pl translation package, it installs fine, but what do i do to enable it, do I change the locales?12:27
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jldiazhow can I reinstall the core version of osso-xterm (chinook)?12:37
jldiazI installed recently a newer version, from a .deb that jott prepared from the latest svn snapshot12:37
jldiazbut I want to downgrade it again to the original version, for testing purposes12:37
timelessif you hadn't first upgraded, you could have tried a script i tried to coerce someone else earlier into testing12:40
timelesswhich in theory enables you to build .deb's based on installed software12:40
AStormjldiaz: the unse dpkg12:40
AStorm*then use12:40
timelessthen you could have used dpkg -i to force downgrade12:40
timelessastorm: that only works if you have an original deb12:40
timelessnokia software is generally missing the debs12:41
AStormhmmm, fqil12:41
timelessfor reasons which are beyond my ability to explain12:41
timelessanyway, if you're intersted in the script12:41
AStormsomeone would have to package the original12:41
AStormbtw, I've a tiny problem with evince12:41
AStormits mime association doesn't open the file12:42
AStormjust launches it12:42
AStormhow to fix that?12:42
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jldiazsorry, I had to leave for a while. Back again13:13
jldiazso, that was actually my question.. where can I obtain the .deb of the original version?13:14
timelesssorry, what i was saying is that
timelesshas instructions for how to build your own deb from the flashed image13:14
timeless*before* you go ruining the image by installing new debs13:15
timelessnote that the url is a set of instructions based on doing it for another task13:15
timelessand please read the content, there are some fairly important disclaimers13:15
jldiazcan it be done from a image file of the flash?13:15
timelessas long as you can mount the file? sure13:15
jldiazit has to be run "on-tablet"?13:16
timelessit'd take a wee bit more work13:16
timelesshalf of it needs to be done on a file system which has the files from the tablet as they were13:16
timelessthe other half needs to be done in a place where you have dpkg-deb13:16
timelessand my version uses perl for the second half13:16
jldiazoh, well, perhaps I can simply mount the image file on ubuntu, browse and find the osso-xterm executable and copy it to the tablet13:16
timelessalthough you could change how it's written13:16
timelessanyway, it'd be nice if *someone* read the url and tried the process :)13:17
jldiazyes :) Thank you for the effort of writing that13:17
timelessnote that the dpkg commands do support altroot, but you'd need to change the scripts to pass that flag,13:17
timelessfor some scripts i write, i heavily rely on alt root13:18
jldiazI'm afraid that those concepts are beyond my current understanding13:18
timelessfor this one, i was using real devices, so i didn't :)13:18
jldiazoh, you are in the microb team?13:20
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jldiazWhat is your opinion about the supposed faster speed of firefox3? I'm specially interested in faster javascript execution, because I would like to use TiddlyWiki on tablet, and it is a heavy javascripter13:23
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jldiazcurrently, tiddilywiki works, but it is too slow to be useable13:23
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timelessi suppose i could write an entry explaining speed13:24
timelessi just haven't considered it a good use of my time13:24
timelessthe short answer is that microb is based on mozilla1.9a113:24
timelessfennec is based on mozilla1.9b513:24
timelessa large amount of js perf work has been done between the two (over the course of about a year)13:25
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timelessyou can run fennec on xulrunner gtk2-cairo today13:25
timelessand the general rendering perf will be slower/worse than microb13:25
timelessthis is according to an unbiased user here13:26
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timelessnow, if all you care about  is javascript performance and not responsiveness, then be my guest, use fennec13:26
timelessif you want a customizable/ evolving ui, use fennec13:26
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timelesskeep in mind that i'm also a mozilla contributor. i like mozilla. i want to see it succeed13:27
jldiazI guess I can have both installed, and use fennec for tiddlywiki and microb for general browsing13:27
X-FadeYep, javascript may be faster. But rendering feels a lot slower in Fennec. (Probably because of the kinetic scrolling)13:27
timelessbut if you want a fast browsing experience, you won't really find that in fennec today13:27
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pupnikIs there 'noscript' plugin available for tablets?13:27
timelessthe embedding guys are working on that13:27
timelessi sent the noscript dev a tablet asking him to work on it13:27
timelesshe got sidetracked13:27
timelesshe's had his tablet for probably more than 6months :(13:28
pupnikboo for him13:28
timelessi was hoping to blog about that when it happened13:28
timelessplease don't make too much of a show about it, a tablet is nice, but being able to put food on the table is more important13:28
timelessso is satisfying a significant other13:28
pupnik? i don't13:28
timelessin his case, that involved taking her on a honeymoon iirc13:28
timelessbut yeah, i was hoping to have him port noscript months ago13:29
pupnikdoes this mean it's not a simple compile under scratchbox then?13:29
timelesssince there's no c++ to begin w/13:29
timelessnoscript is xul+xbl13:30
timelessand microb doesn't have xul13:30
timelessbasically the entire ui needs to be reworked13:30
timelessi think he actually did get part way through it13:30
jldiazthere are instructions somewhere about running fennec on OS2008? I'm googling and reading about comparatives, but not about how can it be done13:30
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timelessyou could contact him by email and ask if you could help13:30
timelessjldiaz: there's a blog from vlad iirc on it13:31
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timelessthe short thing is that13:31
timeless1. get xulrunner13:31
timeless2. download fennec (there are choices for how you do this)13:31
X-Fadejldiaz: There is a link for a deb somewhere.13:31
timeless3. move fennec to the device13:31
timeless4. follow instructions for running fennec13:31
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timelessi did it in <10mins on an n800 using the n800's terminal13:31
timelessand no, i didn't rely on my knowledge of mozilla13:32
timelessas i don't actually use xulrunner much13:32
jldiazthanks for the info!13:32
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jldiazI'll try13:32
timelessanyway, i hope that was enough of an explanation about microb v. xulrunner13:32
timelessthey're of course working on improving the perf of xulrunner13:33
timelesswe're working to make a future (post diablo) version of microb that's a lot faster than today's microb13:33
timelessit should be done before 201013:33
timelessbut i don't want people to hold me to that date13:33
timelesssince i am timeless, which means i have no control over dates or interest in them at all really :)13:34
dnearyhi there13:34
dnearytimeless: You're Josh, right?13:34
timelessactually ideally it'd be before 2010, but i'm pretty sure you'll eventually learn that i like13:35
timelessdneary: yep13:35
timelessnice to meet you (kinda)13:35
jldiaza last question... can I run the fennec.install provided by vladimir without ruining microb or other settings?13:35
jldiazi.e: it is reversible the installation?13:35
dnearytimeless: I was just wondering where you fit into the decision on the platform for Diabolo13:35
timelessno control :)13:35
timelessi barely got notice about what would or wouldn't be in13:35
timelesswe did get enough of a head up many moons ago that glib wasn't being changed13:35
timelessand i made that perfectly clear many moons ago on that list13:35
dnearytimeless: Ah, OK. The way you were talking, it sounded like you'd made the decisions.13:36
timelessi have no control over anything13:36
timelesseven my own team doesn't listen to me13:36
timelesseventually they tend to do what i suggest13:36
timelessbut i don't get credit because i suggest it long before someone decides to do something similar13:36
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lardmantimeless: Oh, you're Josh; bloody irc nicks, make things too complicated13:37
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timelessmost of the mozilla community doesn't know that13:38
timelessso don't get too down13:38
lardmanI just emailed you back13:38
timelessi generally try to keep my13:38
timelessi'm replying..13:38
lardmanso you have the same problem ;D13:38
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timelessi think in your case it may have been mentioned once before13:43
timelesspersonally i prefer to treat people as independent13:43
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timelessi don't have any reason to tie one to another13:43
timelessideally each persona should get as much respect as it deserves13:44
timelessif i'm more helpful here13:44
timelesstreat me differently, i don't mind13:44
lardmanhmm, multiple personalities :)13:44
timelessi have a number13:44
timelessvisit moznet and ask :)13:44
lardmanmore whether people know background to an issue, etc., I think anyway13:44
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timelessdneary: fwiw. i didn't expect you to have read every bug in bugs.maemo13:46
timelessor every thread in maemo-devel13:46
timelessthe long posters in maemo-devel are different13:46
timelessif i remind them about something that was discussed eons ago, it's because they were given warning then13:46
timelessin as certain terms as a dev w/o a speaking license could give them13:47
dnearylardman = simon, timeless=Josh.13:47
timelessand wrt referencing marketing docs...13:47
dnearyOK, Now I'm getting somewhere :)13:47
dnearyI'm Dave, by the way ;)13:47
timelessdneary: but seriously, i do try13:47
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timelessyou're also bolsh13:47
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timelessi do try to keep my real name away from my irc nick13:47
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timelesswhen i'm writing from nokia, i'm writing as an employee reminding people about what has already been said13:48
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dnearyright, but I try to avoid that nick anywhere except on where I've had it for 10 years now13:48
timelessand describing in general how things are at nokia13:48
timelesswhen i'm here, i try to avoid that13:48
dnearySo, you can help me with my "who's who"13:48
timelesswhile i'm around13:48
dnearySo far I have the following, more or less:13:49
dnearyAri Jaaksi is the boss13:49
timelessfwiw this channel is logged13:49
timelessit's also googlable13:49
timelessas such, i'd rather you use email13:49
timelesspick an address13:49
timelesstimeless@gmail or first.last@nokia13:49
dnearyUnder Ari, there is Carlos and Yannick, Carlos taking care of the software and Yannick the hardware13:49
timelessnote that @gmail i don't have access to phone book13:49
timelessnot sure which yannick, but afaik the yannick i know doesn't go near hardware13:50
timelessthere was a yannick who basically ran applications13:50
timelessand carlos basically ran desktop (which is basically platform)13:50
timelesscarlos may or may not have reported to yannick13:50
timelesshe probably did13:50
timelessbut they took down my org chart13:50
timelessand as i said, it hasn't been useful post reorg13:50
timelessas for who's directly under ari, i only knew that from the old org chart13:51
timelessand i generally avoid interacting w/ people above my pay grade13:51
timelessit's very hazardous to my health13:51
timelessi have a class in 10 mins, that lasts for 90mins13:51
timelessand i didn't do my homework13:51
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dnearyyannick pellet13:55
dnearyHe ran applications? And Carlos is on the platform?13:55
dnearyI was mixing them up then13:55
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X-Fadedneary: Carlos seems to do HAF? And is the QA contact for HAF at least.13:57
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dnearyHildon Audio Framework?13:58
X-FadeHildon Application Framework.13:58
jldiazwell.. the installation of fennec was smooth, but the program takes a eternity to load, and I don't see much improvement in speed when loading tiddlywiki13:58
dnearyAh - I was guessing13:58
jldiazI'm thinking about uninstalling13:58
X-Fadedneary: Close ;)13:58
dnearyjldiaz: Try a bigger site13:58
X-Fadejldiaz: Try ;)13:58
X-FadeAnd enjoy the slideshow.13:59
jldiaztiddlywiki is indeed a big deal13:59
dnearyNot bigger as in more popular13:59
dnearyBigger as in more content13:59
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jldiazand it was my main motivation for trying a browser different from microb13:59
jldiaztiddlywiki is slow on n810, no matter what browser13:59
jldiazin addition, I got installed "minefield". What is this?14:00
johnxanother firefox based browser14:00
johnxhave you tried midori?14:00
X-Fadejldiaz: You can also try a webkit based browser. I think the is a Midori port on itt.14:00
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jldiazfennec does not have any menu? how can I configure the proxy, change the text size, etc?14:02
johnxabout:config maybe?14:04
RST38hfennec isn't even in beta, afaik14:06
RST38hit is alpha-quality package14:06
RST38hso you may be better off sticking with MicroB for now14:06
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lardmandneary: that format for the email ok?14:26
lardmanI just sent one to you & the list14:26
dnearyAh - lardman=Simon14:27
dnearyExcuse me, I'm a little slow14:27
dnearyThis stuff takes a while to sink in :)14:27
lardmanI have the same issues with nicks, yours is great!14:27
dnearyThanks :)14:28
dnearyI took up the suggestion of Karl Fogel a while ago, who said that a simple convention that meant that people would be recognisable by their nicks was good14:29
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X-FadeHehe ;)14:31
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dnearyX-Fade: You're Niels!14:32
dnearyDidn't know that14:32
X-Fadedneary: Now you know ;)14:32
X-FadeI at least have my realname set ;)14:32
inzI'm nobody!14:33
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AsiQHey there, I'm running HE2007, and trying to install gizmo for n800, it says that i'm missing some libs, is there a way to update those libs? tnx14:34
johnxAsiQ, what libs?14:34
dnearyinz: You're Santy!14:35
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AsiQjohnx: its: lbatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libdbus-1-3... and the list keeps on going...14:37
johnxare you getting the version for OS2007 or OS2008?14:37
johnxalso, is it saying those libs are missing or not the right version?14:37
AsiQhmmm i'll check that....14:38
AsiQand it says that they are out of date14:38
AsiQjohnx: tnx man14:39
johnxI assume os2007he uses the same libc as os2007, though I'm not sure14:39
johnxfirst thing is to make sure you're trying to get the gizmo version for os200714:39
AsiQi'm checking it now....14:39
AsiQOS: OS 2008 (Chinook).....14:41
AsiQi'll try to find os2007 version14:41
johnxyup, that's not gonna work for you unless you use OS2008HE :)14:41
AsiQtried OS2008HE... too slow...14:41
* johnx still thinks that using a framebuffer console on the n800 is like the funniest thing ever :)14:43
AsiQwell johnx, tnx anyway....14:46
johnxsure, there might be an OS2007 copy of gizmo lying around somewhere14:46
johnxhave you searched on ?14:46
johnxthere's people over there still using os2007he14:46
AsiQi have a working copy of gizmo for he200714:47
johnxah, but you want the latest?14:48
AsiQthe problem is that when i try to do a call to a landline... it crashes14:48
AsiQjust thought that on v4 it wont crash....14:49
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lcuklardman, the request email is just about spot on :) hopefully we can get clarification of a few things15:14
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lardmanlcuk: looks like some are already coming through15:18
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trickie_one was me!15:21
mrglinuxhi i have some question of nokia n800 with maemo OS ... i want to know does it have compiler..and can i compile c/c++/java program ??15:21
lcukyer ive just seen15:21
lardmantrickie_: who are you in real life then?15:21
trickie_lardman: Nick15:22
lardmanor did I miss that when we were discussing earlier15:22
lardmanah, ok15:22
mrglinuxand does it have shell( bashe or ... )?15:22
trickie_nah i haven't been paying attnetion here today15:22
lcukmrglinux, do you mean compiling directly on the device, or is there a development environment and toolkit - not that it matters, either way yes you can use gcc set to armel both directly on the device and within scratchbox emulated env15:22
trickie_and i cannot spell15:22
johnxmrglinux, you generally use scratchbox aka maemo sdk to compile, but you can install gcc onboard. it has ash for a shell. you can code in c or c++, and there is a kind of a beta java version15:22
lardmanmrglinux: cross compiler and with some effort an on-device compiler I believe; yes it has a shell - ash iirc15:22
X-FadeWell, the A-GPS thing is encouraging? :)15:22
lardmanyes indeed15:23
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lardmanit's just nice to know; saves the frustration; I'm feeling more relaxed already :)15:23
lcukgood lardman, we wouldnt like you being stressed :P15:24
mrglinuxwhere can i see a complete list of applications and tools for os2007 ?15:25
johnxthere is a no "one stop, complete list"15:25
lcukthere is nearly a complete list if you add all the general repos :)15:25
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johnxlook at , (bora = os2007) and
johnxmrglinux, why OS2007 instead of OS2008?15:26
* lcuk goes away again15:26
mrglinuxjohnx because i can buy n800 just :P15:26
johnxmrglinux, OS2008 is officially available for the n80015:26
mrglinuxvery good15:27
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mrglinuxi find n810   with 375$  is it suitable ?
johnxsuitable? $375 is a pretty good price I think, but I haven't been keeping track15:29
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mrglinuxjohnx and fine a 290$   is it orginal do you think?15:31
johnxI don't know!15:32
johnxthere are many days left to bid. the price will probably go up.15:32
johnxI never use ebay so I have no idea15:33
Jonthat's about half what it would cost in the UK I think15:33
RST38hDon't buy from EBay15:33
RST38hYou will most likely regret it15:33
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lcuklook at the recently sold items to get a better guide to the final expected price.  but buyer beware, second hand is never as good as having your own unwrapping15:34
mrglinux:-( why?  RST38h do you suggest where?15:34
lcukRST38h, johnx good advice, would read comments again +++++++++++++++15:34
RST38hmrglinux: I suggest online stores (legitimate ones, not ebay) or retail15:35
Jondoes anyone know how big the nokia 7710 stylus is? I'm thinking of buying some to use with my n80015:35
mrglinuxRST38h:how is amazon?15:35
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henriquehi, where can I find an review about three devices (n700, n800 and n810)?15:36
henriquealso, I need the technical specs, does anyone knows where can I find it?15:37
Jonhenrique: technical specs are no doubt on wikipedia15:37
johnxhow technical? like CPU speeds? or circuit diagrams?15:37
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henriqueCPU speeds, RAM and embedded features (like N810's GPS)15:38
henriqueright, but what about the n700 specs or reviews?15:39
henriqueit seems too hard to find something...15:39
RST38hmrglinux: amazon is ok as long as it is really amazon and not one of the small retailers15:39
Jonthe n770 specs are at
Jonas for reviews...15:39
mrglinuxjohnx can i work with gimp on it? :P15:39
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X-FadeGoogle is your friend for reviews.15:39
X-FadeI don't think the 770 is sold anymore.15:40
johnxmrglinux, i've gotten it to work ok, but it takes some real hacking.15:40
Jon for an n800 review15:40
henriqueI don't want to buy a 770 :P15:40
henriqueI just need to cite them on my presentation15:40
henriqueJon, thanks, that link will help a lot15:41
mrglinuxjohnx really?  means every work i do with my computer i can do with this :-D15:41
johnxmrglinux, yes, but slowly and not easily15:42
mrglinuxjohnx how much?15:42
lardmanand not at all if you use x86 binary-only components15:42
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Jonhenrique, nor problem15:43
mrglinuxjohnx can i have webservice like apche and work with php on it?15:43
johnxyes, but it will take up most of the RAM to run apache15:43
johnxrunning apache at the same time you're trying to use it for web surfing will be S L O W15:43
mrglinuxso i have to buy it15:44
RST38hApache should be ok15:44
X-FadeBut ngix and php is doable..15:44
RST38hSymbian phones can run Apache (and other applications at the same time)15:44
johnxmrglinux, it's a 400Mhz CPU with 128MB of RAM . It's not magic. :)15:44
RST38hSo, N810 should not have much of a problem, as long as you do not do fancy stuff15:44
mrglinuxi just have 300$ :-( and can buy n800 just15:45
johnxthe N800 and N810 are the same hardware, except for the keyboard, gps and a slight difference in the screen15:45
johnxsame CPU and same RAM15:45
mrglinuxjohnx no n800 cpu's is 32015:46
johnxno, it's not15:46
johnxit was running underclocked in OS2007, they clocked it up to 400MHz in OS200815:46
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X-FadeYes johnx is right. The cpu is identical.15:47
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timelessdneary: do you have access to the nokia intranet?15:49
dnearytimeless: No15:50
timelessok, hold on15:50
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timelessplease join the channel15:50
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lardmantimeless: so is it a retu/tavho issue, or some other value to be found in that trivial piece of code...?15:52
timelesssorry, it's not my area15:54
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timelessfrom memory retu/tavho have some hardware value15:54
lardmanoh yes, I understand that - as they appear in other Nokia products15:54
timelessiirc the reasons for this one are the kind that one isn't allowed to discuss15:54
lardmanok, so a pretty random sort of reason then; fair enough15:54
timelessi think that something similar appears in other nokia products and therefore the feature is probably considered of value15:55
timelesswhereas with those hardware elements the actual data itself has intrinsic value against the other hardware15:55
timelessprobably the best comparison is the s60 browser's minimap mode15:55
timelesss60's browser is "open source"15:55
lardmanI see, so it's nothing in the code itself, just what it does and how15:55
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timelessexcept when it isn't15:55
timelessminimap is one of those isn'ts15:55
timelessif microb wanted to add a minimap feature, we probably couldn't add the feature as open source15:56
timelessnot because it'd be the same code as minimap15:56
* lardman Googles for minimap15:56
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timelessbut because the feature was valuable to s60 as a "differentiator"15:56
* timeless pokes dneary15:56
lardmanah, I see, a bit like the thing the iPod/Phone does15:57
* timeless ponders15:57
timelessi don't know which parts of the iphone stuff is open source15:58
timelessthat might be a valid comparison15:58
lardmanoverview of page, and you can zoom in - not quite the same, but similar for useability15:58
timelessi suppose if you want to draw the line on os x, it's easy15:58
timelessSafari is closed15:58
timelessWebKit is open15:58
timelessminimap or a similar feature might be in Safari15:58
lardmanah no, I was wondering what minimap was15:58
timelessif it's in Safari, then another group at apple could conceviably be blocked from releasing a competing feature to some other open source project15:59
timelessif apple worked as nokia does15:59
timelesswell, this is all hypothetical15:59
timelessbut that's the best comparison i can offer15:59
timelessnote that it might be better to write WebCore instead of Safari15:59
lardmanI can understand that - that's exactly the explanation people ought to be given15:59
timelessbut i'm not a Safari expert15:59
timelessalthough I am in credits for one of those components :)16:00
timelessanyway, i'm going to dig into scrollback to try to answer dneary's questions16:00
timelessit'll take me a while16:00
lardmanenjoy; back to MATLAB for me16:00
timelessminefield is basically firefox prereleases16:02
timelesswhen firefox is released it's branded firefox16:02
timelessuntil then we don't want people to think that a nightly is of the same quality and has the same testing16:02
timelessso the unbranded ones are minefields16:02
timelessthey could blow up at any time16:02
timelessyes, about:config should work in virtually all gecko derivatives16:03
johnxwow...that's a remarkably sane approach to prereleases...16:03
timelessi can't remember if it works in camino, but i made sure it worked in microb16:03
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timelesslardman: the shell is technically busybox's own shell16:08
timelessi don't know that it's fair to call it compatible w/ anything (i could be wrong)16:08
timelessjohnx: you could have offered the package list that the maemo team published when they compare releases :)16:08
timelessusually newbies are interested in baselines16:09
timelessnot that the baseline is remotely useful16:09
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johnxI didn't think of it at the time16:09
timelessi'm not blaming you16:09
timelessmore of a future suggestion16:09
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timelessyou'll know when i'm blaming :)16:09
johnxah, plus he asked for "applications *for* os2007"16:10
johnxnot applications "in" or "a part of" os200716:10
johnxI should add something to infobot...16:10
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johnxheh...I just accidentally shut my n800 out from all outside contact :)16:11
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timelessifconfig wifi down16:12
timelessor ifdown wifi ?16:12
timelessi did that to one of my boxes16:12
timelessi felt really clever16:12
timelessi was trying to see if certain boot scripts would work16:12
johnxyeah, the best part is when you're like "I'll be clever so I'll do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0"16:12
timelessprobably software requirements16:12
johnxbut then the second never gets run because it looses the controlling terminal...16:12
johnxscreen wins in that case16:13
johnxnah, I'm messing around with debian again, so it's not booting to X, and usb is set to host mode, so no usbnet and the screen blanked too16:13
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trickie_johnx: :( i had the same with mamona16:17
johnxah good, this time wifi came up at least16:17
timelessjohnx: did you want to mention the fcc specs for the nokia devices? :)16:18
* timeless wonders if anyone put those into the wikipedia article16:18
johnxnah, I really want people to just use google :)16:18
* timeless too16:18
timelessjon++ for giving out wp urls... although i sure hope those are top hits from google16:19
timelessbut yeah, it'd be nice if people learned to use google16:19
timelessgoogle first, ask questions later.16:19
johnxI guess I'm surprised when people take the time to find the IRC channel log on and ask questions instead of typing "n800 technical specifications" into google16:20
* timeless nods16:20
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RST38hsome people just can't use google16:25
RST38hdon't know how to state queries correctly16:25
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darxhi, how can i rotate the screen to portrait mode as is shown here
darxI didn't even know that could be done.16:26
timelessin theory the platform has support for it16:27
timelessthe x server doesn't have rotate16:27
johnxdarx, googled n800 screen rotation, second result was the guide I used:
timelessbut there were bugs filed against components to support alternate angles16:27
timelesserr dimensions16:27
timelessand orientations16:27
johnxdarx, not however that rotation support is pretty beta, and if you don't know what you're doing may force you to reflash to make your tablet work again16:28
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ccookeSince I installed the rotation support... I have to delete my FBReader config every time I start it16:29
timelessjohnx: don't suppose you know how the browser toolbar works in that mode?16:29
timelesshas it off16:29
johnxit's a little chunky in non-fullscreen IIRC16:30
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n800nis there a nintendo ds emu for maemo?16:30
johnxI think it either cuts off the back button, or cuts off before the back button16:30
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timelesslardman: speaking of things that weren't, that was one other ui package that wasn't supposed to be around that had an old version :)16:30
johnxn800n, nope16:30
johnxn800n, there's a gameboy advance emu though16:31
timelessjohnx: cool, i expected something like that16:31
timelessbtw, if you're going to use that mode, i'd suggest you try fennec16:31
n800nyeah, seen that16:31
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timelessif fennec doesn't work, file a bug, include steps to reproduce16:31
timelessincluding the url to how to setup rotated mode16:31
johnxn800n, ds emulation isn't perfect even on the desktop, and the ds has a dedicated 3d processor16:31
johnxtimeless, I will if I get back around to installing rotation. That was on a previous flash16:32
timelesscool :)16:32
lardmantimeless: ah, so the bug would still need to be resolved on Nokia's end?16:32
n800nso there's not much of a chance huh16:32
timelessbtw, it's also ok if you file a bug in bugs.maemo against the browse16:32
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timelessbut file it as an enhancement16:32
timelesssomeone will keep it in mind16:33
timelessobviously a screenshot + notes explaining what's wrong would be good16:33
timelessnote that the browser has a number of different toolbar modes16:33
timelessit'd be best if you included pictures for all the broken bits16:33
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RST38hn800n: why not buy a real ds?16:37
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johnxmore like: n800 != ds16:39
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johnxI will probably get a ds once I have $140 that I don't know what to do with16:40
n800ni have to make music on the n800 soon16:40
n800nto prove it.16:40
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n800ni don't like them anymore16:41
n800nthey're everywher making people look stupi16:42
johnxah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :)16:42
n800ni had a songwriting class, this kid brought his ds16:43
n800ntrying to play music on it live16:43
n800nmakes you look stupid16:43
n800nand here i am with a beautiful touchsvreen an a usb port16:44
johnxfair enough. I think that's a pretty good generalization though: trying to use a piece of electronics like a music instrument will often make you look dumb, especially if you aren't very good16:44
n800ni'll shut up now16:45
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johnxsorry :/16:45
johnxgrr...didn't mean to sound so harsh :(16:46
Stskeepshrm, anyone ever tried to make hildon input method work for rdesktop by abusing rdesktop -X (XEmbed/embed into a window with a specified id), and wrapping it in a pygtk wrapper?16:50
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timelesssts: why not use the osk.exe from windows?16:53
jottjohnx: oh, look at and :)16:53
Stskeepstimeless: it gets very annoying after a while16:53
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Stskeepsand haven't found a good one with good word prediction16:54
timelessdneary: so, thoguhts? :)16:54
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johnxjott, yeah, I need to apologize to n800n if he actually ever comes back to the channel :(16:55
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jottsomething like this korg ds thing would be great on the n8x016:58
Gracklewhee, yes it would16:58
johnxwasn't there something already?16:58
GracklePuredata anywhere16:59
GrackleIt's pretty powerful, but ugly as sin.16:59
jottjohnx: hmm not that i know of (just milkytracker and schism tracker - but those have a different more classical tracker like approach)17:00
johnxah, fair enough17:00
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johnxhey, cool, confirmation on the sprint+time warner+clearwire+comcast+others wimax deal17:02
jotthm this PDa/pure data seems to go in the direction17:02
GrackleThe provided package installs fine, and there are some example patches. Try out the acid patch. It makes some nice TB-303ish sounds.17:03
GrackleIt is pretty nice.. It could use some interface work, though, and that may be difficult given that it's all designed to be graphically programmable.17:04
jotttcl/tk ugh that.. classy!? :)17:05
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jottyeah i'll give it a shot later17:05
jotti suppose it would be fairly easy to write a decent gui for it for some static patches ;)17:07
asedeno_workSomeone else interested in OpenAFS? Whoa.17:09
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Navi[08:42:55] <johnx> ah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :) <- Same here. It makes me look cooler :D17:15
johnxof course it does. :P17:16
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Navibleh, I hate setting stuff back up after reflashing17:25
johnxwhy the latest reflash?17:25
NaviI removed microb-eal (and the packages that depended on it) thinking that I could reinstall them later from the repos.17:26
NaviClearly, I was mistaken17:26
johnxah, yeah17:26
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Naviqwerty12, I don't know how you can stand setting up crap again after reflashing :P17:27
qwerty12I know :(. I'm just doing a bit here and there now.17:27
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qwerty12I don't have the motivation anymore after about 30+ flashes now17:27
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Naviqwerty12, the control file uses conflicts and replaces instead of provides ^_^17:28
qwerty12Ah :), thanks for correcting me :)17:28
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NaviNah, that's where the problem is17:29
NaviIt _should_ be provides17:29
NaviBut should replace still be there?17:29
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qwerty12No idea :/. Compile newer apt and dpkg :p17:30
qwerty12It can be done very easily but then you need to compile newer application manager which messes things up >.<17:31
qwerty12That was a reflash reason...17:31
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johnxyou both should really just boot from sd...17:31
Navijohnx, too lazy17:31
Navimake me17:32
johnxI don't care either way17:32
qwerty12I will do soon, I just got an 8GB. I'm hoping I don't get any I/O errors :/17:32
jotthmm sick my n810 keyboard just stopped working17:32
johnxbut incremental backups with rsync through an sd card reader are awesome17:32
NaviOh yeah17:32
NaviThat's why I don't do it17:32
NaviI don't have a spare SD card big enough17:33
johnxah, yeah, I'm running into that too :|17:33
johnxI could really make use of about 4 new 8GB cards O_o17:34
johnxmaybe 517:34
NaviHow about giving them away?17:34
jottjohnx: one for sid, one for lenny and one for etch? :P17:35
johnxthe cards I don't have, but do need?17:35
johnxone each for my older zauruses17:35
johnxone to hold music/videos17:35
johnxone for debian and one for maemo w/ boot-from-sd17:35
qwerty12I want to try out KDE and when I get round to partitioning, your debian :)17:36
johnxworking on the new release now17:36
johnxkeyboards work reliably, finally!17:36
johnxand a lot of the power savings are there thanks to someone who has more of a clue than me :D17:37
qwerty12gj :)17:37
jottso what was it with the kb? just a race condition?17:37
johnxthe X server needs to be started a long time after hal17:38
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jottmakes sense17:38
johnxso it will start last (S99) and that's all there is to it17:38
johnxhopefully it won't be a problem anymore17:38
johnxI just need to decide whether to try and use a login manager like gdm or kdm or wdm and how to make that work for n800 users17:39
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qwerty12gdm has some accessibility options right? maybe a bit of tweaking :/17:39
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johnxI might try to make gpe-dm run, but I don't think it has any idea about session selection :/17:40
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johnxit does have a nice onscreen keyboard built in though17:40
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johnxah, nevermind. found something much better :D17:42
jottjohnx: i would suggest to try to make a good first impression so it attracts people. everyone knowing what the implications (of a full debian) are, will tweak it towards his personal preferences anyway17:42
johnxyeah, that's why I'm so glad to find "wmanager - Select a window manager at X startup"17:43
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johnxI don't see how anyone could complain about that :)17:43
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* jott spawns an army of whiners17:45
Naviwoo, whiners17:46
johnxnevermind, not as useful as I hoped17:46
* qwerty12 grabs my rocket launcher and blasts the mofo whiners17:47
Naviqwerty12, mmk, I just whipped up the package17:47
qwerty12Navi, Great, thanks :)17:47
NaviUploading it in a sec17:47
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johnxwow, wmanager is fantastically useless17:50
qwerty12Now we can complain :p17:50
johnxnah, I'll just drop people off at a console17:50
johnxfor the real "debian experience"17:50
Naviqwerty12, bleh17:51
* qwerty12 is glad to use Ubuntu - Debian for n00bs17:51
Naviadding Provides: libgtkmozembed didn't work :P17:51
johnxqwerty12, ahahaha17:51
Naviwhen doing apt-get -f install, it still wants to remove all of those packages.17:51
qwerty12Damn, now I'm gonna have to load up leafpad on the status file :/17:52
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qwerty12Thanks for recreating the package though17:52
Naviuploaded it to if you want to check it out17:52
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qwerty12Thanks but if it doesn't work, no point in wasting bandwidth.17:53
qwerty12Yours that is.17:53
Navionly 100kb17:53
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qwerty12Ah, skeen. I think I'll just do search and replace though.17:54
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NaviNow I don't know what to do17:58
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qwerty12Grab Diablo from SVN :p17:58
NaviHey look, newest ncftp has tab completion17:58
NaviThe tablet UI is proprietary dood17:59
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Navior whatever it was called17:59
Navioh, Diablo17:59
NaviI was thinking of either changing microb-gtkmozembed18:00
qwerty12How about just making a meta-package?18:00
Navior that18:00
NaviOh, I'm a retard.18:00
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* timeless pokes navi :)18:05
* qwerty12 needs to get back in the scratchbox game. I really want to get my Caps button back, not this crap En button. 18:05
Navitimeless, I got up to the perl script18:06
Navibut the bash script that the perl script generates is empty besides the #!/bin/bash18:06
qwerty12You can download the bash scripts of his website too afaik18:06
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NaviYeah,, and build-control.pl18:08
NaviExcept it looks like the server tries to execute the perl script :P18:08
aVirulencehi, I have a bit of a problem, does someone know under which /dev name hal creates the memory card device when the usb cable is connected?18:08
qwerty12Navi, lol18:08
aVirulenceonly the internal memory is automatically mounted18:09
timelesswell, heh18:09
timelessyou're not supposed to run my perl script anyway18:09
timelessit's generated by one of the .sh files that you run on the device :)18:09
NaviGah >_>18:09
NaviYou and your ambiguous scripts :P18:10
kulveaVirulence: on your pc?18:10
aVirulencekulve, yes18:10
Navi"You then need to transfer device-files.tar to the system that can run and run it." But it tells me to!18:10
kulveaVirulence: it depends on your setup. It mounts the external as the first (often /dev/sda1) and the internal as the second (often /dev/sdb1) but your disk or usb sticks may change that. See "dmesg" after plugging in the cable to see the right device18:11
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aVirulencekulve, that's a bit of a problem, see, hal mounts the internal memory twice.. only /dev/sdd1 shows up which is the internal memory18:13
timelessok, reload the directory index18:13
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timelessmy .pl script is documented in the 2007 file that you were supposed to read :)18:14
kulveaVirulence: that sounds very odd..18:14
timelessanyway the .pl-txt files should be readable18:14
Navitimeless, I did ;_;18:14
timelessnot sure why the server is trying to run the files, they aren't +x18:14
timelessnavi: really? :(18:14
timelessit didn't explain clearly enough that you run the generated .pl file on a normal debian? :(18:14
NaviLet me give it one more go18:14
aVirulencekulve, actually, it gets even odder, my internal memory was busy the last time I mounted it: the memory card got mounted twice!18:15
aVirulencemight be my system, though18:15
timelessnavi: anyway, would need to be changed to search for whatever you actually want to get18:15
NaviI did18:15
timelessi wonder what script 'a' was18:16
timelessheh, kinda funny isn't it18:16
timelessdo-all-pkgs tries to run itself :)18:16
timelessdefinitely not quite finished :)18:17
timelessanyway, get rid of everything after the tar command18:17
NaviI noticed that earlier18:18
timelessoh suck, there's a somewhere18:18
Naviit's a side effect of using cat > << EOF18:18
Naviit decided to throw in my entire directory of scripts and try to execute them18:19
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* qwerty12 <3 conky18:19
timelessno, right, generates tree18:21
johnxok, well wdm is officially off the candidate list for display manager as it triggers a kernel oops O_o18:21
NaviI have kernel panics in my nightmares18:21
timelessclearly i haven't used this script recently :)18:21
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timelessanyway, i have to leave18:22
timelessi'll be back in an hour or two18:22
timelessbut really, please try to get the scripts to work18:22
timelessand let me know which bugs i need to fix :)18:23
timelessmailto: timeless@gmail18:23
timelesssince i probably will miss this18:23
timelessor /msg timelyx18:23
NaviI don't know what I'm doing wrong :/18:23
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NaviWoo, I have my rss feed reader app back18:25
qwerty12The mini applet? :)18:26
qwerty12(I love that BTW)18:26
NaviI figured out that the scrollbar also borks on the applet that comes with the tablet18:26
NaviIt's just not as noticeable18:27
NaviIs omweather working for anyone?18:27
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NaviIt stopped working yesterday18:27
Blafaselhrhr.. I never understood the "weather forecast" type of apps18:28
qwerty12It stopped for me too, about 2 days ago18:28
qwerty12I'm gonna clean out gconf entries and try again soon18:28
NaviBlafasel, quicker than checking the news or opening a browser18:28
johnxstopped working here too18:28
Navijust glance at the applet and you're good to go18:29
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Naviqwerty12, so, I guess I can make a proper deb and throw that out too18:30
qwerty12Cool :)18:31
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RST38hBlafasel: hey, OMweather saves me a visit to the weather website18:36
Naviyawn indeed18:36
NaviRST38h, exactly :D18:36
RST38hWhat's new and exciting in the tablet world?18:36
* Navi shrugs18:36
johnxnot that much, hacking out a new debian tarball18:36
Navitimeless has scripts to generate debs18:36
johnxthinking about why sapwood server fails to succeed on my zaurus18:36
Navifrom the preinstalled apps18:36
NaviI can't get them to work >_>18:37
johnxNavi, does he just use dpkg-repack or something else?18:37
Navidpkg-repack sounds more conventional18:38
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johnxif you wanted to you could just: rsync the rootfs over to a debian desktop, maybe use dpkg --get-selections (or whatever it is) on the tablet18:39
johnxand iterate through that using dpkg-repack to repack any installed package on the desktop18:40
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johnxhypothetically of course :)18:40
NaviSomeone tell timey when he gets back18:41
johnxI assume he didn't want to have to install debian on a desktop18:41
johnxand dpkg-repack pulls in a lot of stuff as deps18:41
NaviWell, you could do it in scratchbox if you wanted, probably18:42
NaviYou need dpkg with his scripts as well18:42
johnxyou need a lot of dpkg dev stuff for dpkg-repack18:42
johnxmore than is included in sbox I think18:42
johnxa debian chroot on another linux machine or debian in a vmware install would be fine18:42
johnxoverkill, but fine18:43
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NaviAnyways, time to go18:45
NaviPray that I past my Chem exam for me :P18:45
qwerty12Bye, good lucj18:45
johnxgood luck18:45
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NaviOh yeah, someone else try using timeless's scripts18:51
NaviI can't get them to work.18:51
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X-FadeHey pH5, any news on the powervr driver? :)18:56
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pH5X-Fade: no :(18:59
pH5I've added the reset procedure and enabled interrupts, but I don't receive any. Not sure whether my setup is wrong or I'm just not supposed to see any activity from the mbx at this level.19:01
X-FadeHmm that is unfortunate :(19:02
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jldiazhow can I find wich release of OS2008 I have installed?19:39
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johnxcontrol panel -> about (I think)19:39
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jldiazjohnx, right. Thanks19:41
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jldiazHum. I have 2.2007.50-2, but the latest is 51-3. Should I upgrade?19:41
johnx51-3 only fixed a very specific issue that some people were having with not being able to turn on their tablet after turning it off19:42
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johnxeven if you're having that problem, there is a way to install the update without having to do a complete reflash (along with reinstalling all your stuff)19:43
jldiazok, I better keep the current version19:43
jldiazcan the .bin image downloaded from nokia be mounted on ubuntu with -o loop?19:44
johnxnot exactly19:44
johnxfirst use the flasher to extract it19:44
johnxthen you'll need to load modules to emulate an mtd device in ram19:45
johnxthen you can dd the image onto that and mount it19:45
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johnxyou'll want to be looking up info about "mounting a jffs2 image on a desktop"19:45
johnxor something similar19:45
johnxah, fun, earthquake19:46
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jldiazthanks again19:47
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johnxI tried to do it a couple times, but it's somewhat tricky to emulate that big of an mtd device in RAM19:48
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johnxI think the kernel needs about 128MB or so of contiguous memory19:48
johnxwhich it is unlikely to have in a running linux system19:48
johnxah, if you're talking about using this technique to apply the update, it's not necessary19:49
johnxthe update was just a change to the boot loader and can be flashed separately19:49
jldiazno, I was trying to recover the original version of xterm19:54
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jldiazbut I can't19:56
jldiazdd complains about insufficient space in /dev/mtd019:57
johnxwhen you load the module, the parameter you're giving it is the size of the mtd-ram device you're making19:57
jldiazI didn't give any parameter19:58
johnxthere might be a default then19:58
johnxmodinfo mtd-ram.ko19:58
johnxbut let me see if I can just make you a .deb of osso-xterm19:58
jldiazoh, thank you19:59
johnxno promises. this will be an experiment O_o19:59
jldiazwhat is the syntax for passing a parameter to a module?20:01
jldiazI tried "modprobe mtdram 128" but not worked20:01
johnxmodprobe module-foo param=12820:01
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johnxwell, I think that worked :)20:02
johnxhow would you like me to send it to you?20:02
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jldiazemail? Is it not too big?20:04
jldiazI'm still trying to mount the image myself. I did the following:20:05
jldiazmodprobe the modules related to jffs220:05
johnxhmm...actually I'm worried it might not have worked20:05
johnxit's 40K20:05
jldiazmodprobe mtdram total_size=128 erase_size=12820:06
jldiazmodprobe also mtdchar and mtdblock (without parameters)20:06
jldiazdd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd020:06
johnxyou just specified size in KB20:06
jldiazOps, you are right. It should be Mb20:06
johnxyou want something like 13100020:06
jldiazalso for erase_size?20:07
johnxer...I think you can leave that out20:07
johnxthe default should be reasonable20:07
jldiazok, I hit the memory problem20:08
jldiazmodprobe mtdram total_size=13300020:08
jldiazFatal: Error inserting mtdram (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/mtd/devices/mtdram.ko): Cannot allocate memory20:08
johnxanyways, I think this osso-xterm package worked20:08
johnxwant to send me your email address by private message?20:09
jldiazops, privates blocked20:09
jldiazI forgot the syntax for identifying myself20:10
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Fataljldiaz: would you like me to allocate some for you?20:10
jldiazFatal: :-)20:10
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jldiazgot it20:12
jldiazthank you very much20:12
johnxgood, now we'll see if it works :)20:12
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jldiazwell.. it installed without errors20:15
jldiaznow let's see if it runs :-)20:16
jldiazit worked!20:16
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johnxthanks to the magic of sshfs+dpkg-repack20:17
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unixSnobanyone here attempt to call the UK before?20:20
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unixSnobI'm trying to call someone using the country code 44, and just hear a siren instead of a normal ring20:20
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johnxoh no, you've set off the ter'rist alert!20:20
unixSnobI've set it off a few times now20:21
jldiazis it possible to configure xterm for launching by default in fullscreen mode?20:22
jldiazI'm trying to get ride of the toolbar once and forever. I had success for windowed mode, but when changing to fullscreen, the toolbar reappears. I think I could solve the problem if xterm lauched directly in fullscreen20:24
johnxcan anyone recommend a good (cheap) web host?20:26
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MangoFusionwhen you factor in "cheap", "good" tends not to factor into the solution20:28
Navijohnx, you could go with bluehost20:29
johnxin this order of priorities: good, cheap, lots of bandwidth20:29
johnxNavi, thanks *looks them up*20:29
MangoFusionlots of horror stories out there about the cheapo "high bandwidth" hosts20:29
NaviBluehost is good for the price, but I hate them.20:29
MangoFusionunixSnob: siren?20:29
johnxMangoFusion, that's why "lots of bandwidth" is the lowest priority20:30
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Navijohnx, <- My favorite VPS provider20:30
unixSnobMangoFusion: Not sure how else to describe it.. it's a modulating sound like an emergency vehicle might make, without pause20:31
johnxthat's a nice chunk of bandwidth for $2020:31
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MangoFusionunixSnob: being in the uk myself, the only time i heard a siren on the phone is when i didn't replace the handset ;)20:31
Capn_Fishjohnx: Hey20:31
NaviThey're extremely reliable and don't try to cut you20:31
johnxhey Capn_Fish20:31
MangoFusioni think when you prefix with +44 you can ignore the first digit (usually 0) on the number20:31
johnxI just got debian booting nicely into xfce and I'm about to try and add rotation support :)20:32
Capn_FishI do have at least one idea for the Debian thing20:32
unixSnobwell, the sound plays for a while, and is followed by "cannot be connected" message20:32
Capn_FishI'd like right-clicking20:32
Navijohnx, nice20:32
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MangoFusiondodgy call center perhaps?20:32
unixSnobMangoFusion: ah, yeah, I was wondering if digits should be dropped20:32
Capn_FishI started hacking together a Zaurus app that would do that20:32
johnxCapn_Fish, ah, right. that was the other thing. Do you know anything about gtkstylus?20:32
unixSnobI'll try dropping the zero20:32
johnxthat's what GPE uses and it's in debian now20:32
Capn_FishNothing about gtkstylus20:32
johnxI just don't know how to make it actually work :/20:33
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johnxI think it's a gtk input module, maybe?20:33
johnxalso got boot messages to show. makes things feel a lot more debiany :)20:33
n800nif i save gif images at 800 x 480 for viewing as slideshow in canola or other image viewers full screen there shouldn't be any resizing, correct?20:34
Capn_FishI just made a little daemon that caught all mouse clicks and then checked if keys were pressed, then killed the mouse click and made a right click event20:34
johnxhmm...I might go for that if I can't make gtkstylus work20:34
Capn_FishI never got it to work right, though20:34
johnxit provides a nice simple tap&hold solution20:34
Capn_FishIt didn't catch key release events for some reason20:35
Capn_FishHmm...I'd like to be able to stick right clicking in the WM20:35
Capn_FishLess overhead :)20:35
johnxI think it's pretty low-overhead as a gtk module too20:35
Capn_FishI'm probably way to used to saving every byte of RAM I can, but it can't hurt20:35
johnx128MB of RAM is sooo nice to have. :)20:36
Capn_FishYeah, and 128MB is a LOT for an embedded system20:36
johnxIt makes such a difference for web browsing vs my akita20:36
Capn_FishMy Zaurus only has 64 MB20:36
Capn_FishYou keep beating me to what I want to say :O20:36
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Capn_FishHow does the keyboard work in X?20:37
johnxit works well :)20:37
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johnxfor my usb keyboard I just plug it in and it's happy20:37
Naviusb keyboard20:37
Capn_FishDo you have an N800 or an N810?20:37
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Navicouldn't you go with something lighter than xfce4?20:37
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Capn_FishI'll have to fiddle with the hardware keyboard, then20:38
* johnx smacks Navi for whining before the release :P20:38
Navi*twm* *twm*20:38
Capn_FishIt worked in the CLI when I got to it by some fluke a while back20:38
Navi*twm* *twm* *twm*20:38
Capn_FishTWM FTL. EvilWM's where it's at!20:38
johnxNavi, whine after the release :P20:38
Navijohnx, I whined a few days ago too20:38
johnxCapn_Fish, yeah, it works on the CLI20:38
johnxit's a HAL thing with Xomap20:38
johnxXomap is ... special20:38
Capn_FishI see. How hard would it be to fix?20:39
johnxCapn_Fish, it works now20:39
Navijohnx, don't blame me if your release topic is spammed with light wm requests.20:39
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johnxI'm 90% sure that when I release this the N810 keyboard will "just work" in X20:39
Capn_FishWait, it does work in X11, or just in the CLI?20:39
johnxshould work in both20:39
Capn_FishPerhaps I can FINALLY ditch OS2008 :D20:40
johnxeh, don't count on it20:40
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johnxthere's a lot left to do :/20:40
NaviYeah, like getting dwm as the default wm20:41
Capn_FishI'm OK with beta stuff20:41
johnxNavi, i will include instructions that will make it pretty simple to change which wm is launched20:41
Navijohnx, hildon apps working yet?20:41
Capn_FishHeck, I was running the alpha pdaXrom r198 on my Zaurus for some 1.5 year20:41
johnxNavi, nope20:41
johnxnot worrying about that for now20:41
NaviOh, I'm sure I can figure out how to do it myself :P20:41
johnxby popular request I'm focusing on getting a "real linux desktop" first20:41
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johnxno worries. Just help field newb questions when I release this, :)20:42
NaviWith my usual trollish statements or actually be helpful?20:42
johnxboth of you need to be *helpful* :P20:43
johnxthat's all I ask20:43
NaviYeah, I'll do what I can.20:43
johnxI'm going to lessen the "BIG RED DISCLAIMER" a little this time and provide screenshots20:43
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NaviI discovered that size 7 for big red disclamers was too big20:44
infobotNavi meant: I discovered that size 7 for big red disclaimers was too big20:44
johnxactually it worked well20:44
johnxit filled the whole first page of my browser :)20:44
johnxhey n800n. sorry I was kinda harsh earlier.20:45
Navis/replace this/with this/20:45
NaviFor example20:45
n800nyou were?20:45
infobotNavi meant: cool example20:45
johnxah, I thought that's why you left?20:45
johnxnevermind then :D20:45
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n800noh no, i don't get offended easily, plus there was no reason to be offended20:45
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n800nas far as i'm concerned everybody here is an ass20:46
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johnxgood strategy20:46
gnuSnobMangoFusion: that was it.. i just had to drop the zero.  Thanks!20:46
NaviMan, I'm broke20:46
* gnuSnob can't stand the silly exceptions in dialing rules20:46
NaviI don't even have money for a tank of gas20:46
gnuSnobI thought zeros only had to be dropped in the case of mobile phones20:47
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gnuSnobNavi: that's kuz you spend all your time in here, no?20:47
NaviIndeed it is20:47
MangoFusioni think mobiles are just one of the many places you notice it ;)20:47
a_l_ehello... i need a program to play oggs and mp3 on the n810... and i'd like something that just shows the tracks in the directories, so that i can just drop the sd card and it forgets what was in there... any hint?20:47
gnuSnobYou'd be a wealthy man if you got paid for #maemo chat20:48
johnxwhy back in my day a tank of gas was $15!20:48
NaviYou also burned it all away in a heartbeat20:48
johnxeh, actually I went 400+ miles on a tank :)20:48
Navia_l_e, canola can do so with ogg support installed, I think20:49
gnuSnobI read a stat that the average mpg has /gone up/ in the past 20 years20:49
n800ncanola + worked for me20:50
NaviJust stay away from American cars and we're good on mpg20:50
gnuSnobit's because folks are buying bigger cars.. and because technology that could be used to increase efficiency is actually being used to increase performance20:50
johnxalso cars are getting heavier with safety features20:50
a_l_e... so, i'm looking at canola...20:50
johnxa_l_e, audio -> my music -> browse by folder20:51
johnxbut you have to set which folders have music first :)20:52
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n800ni just got a neuro osd for a friend20:52
gnuSnobwill canola work on my porno collection, or is it just for music?20:52
n800nit's pretty cool20:52
n800nonly straight porn20:53
NavignuSnob, It'll work on your porno collection if you wire 100 bucks to my bank account20:53
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* gnuSnob would rather sneak around the living room and get the job done when no one sees, than pay $100 to take the NIT to bed20:54
johnxhave read! cannot un-read!20:55
NaviGouge your eyes out as prevention20:56
n800ndo all imageviewers need to proload image folders? is there one that doesn't need to?20:56
n800ncanola has been updating the library for abput 5 minutes, starting to think it's no the best for this20:57
n800ni have a few thousand pics tho20:57
zapthe idea to have a database of everything is faulty20:57
johnxmaybe quiver? or the builtin image viewer?20:57
zapI can organize my folders pretty much without the help of any app20:58
johnxI miss gqview on any platform that doesn't have it20:58
n800nquiver seemd lighter, i'll try that20:58
zapIs there any way to stop WiFi from becoming painfully slow when I ssh into the tablet? It works fine (mostly) when I connect from N810, but when doing the reverse it seems that it goes to sleep pretty early.20:58
Robot101zap: leave a ping running20:59
Robot101zap: the problem is the wifi antenna only turns on when the tablet is sending data, or replying to stuff20:59
a_l_ehow's kilikali?20:59
zapis that a hardware thing?21:00
johnxtest if lowering the power savings has an effect?21:00
Robot101zap: so it seems unresponsive to incoming stuff unless you cause the device to keep sending periodically21:00
zapI even tried to do "iwconfig wlan0 power off"21:00
zapbut it doesn't help21:00
RST38hbtw, built in Maemo image viewer chokes on large jpegs21:00
johnxwhy not just try the UI power settings?21:00
RST38hsays out of memory and dies or something like this21:00
zapjobecause they don't work21:00
zapwell, what settings do you mean21:01
zapmaybe I tried the wrong stuff21:01
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zapWifi icon -> Connection settings?21:01
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johnxunder the specific network settings in advanced21:02
johnxpower saving: on (maximum)21:02
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zapin control panel?21:02
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johnxcontrol panel -> connectivity -> connections -> your-network-name -> edit -> next x3 -> advanced21:03
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zaphuh, haven't found those21:04
zapthank you, I'll try21:04
johnxsure, I haven't played with them much either, because my tablet plays nice with my AP21:05
zapand still, how one would ping something? the 'ping' from busybox keeps telling me that I don't have enough priviledges :)21:05
johnxbecome root :)21:05
a_l_ei'll first try kilikali, first... it's 400Kb against 20Mb!21:05
zaphow? su tells me that its not a suid binary, and making busybox suid root is idiocy :)21:06
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johnxor google for becomeroot21:07
johnxor set your tablet into r&d mode21:07
n800nhm quiver is fast21:07
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n800nbut it doesn't automatically flip images21:09
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RST38hBorland kaput21:10
RST38hTook awfully long21:10
johnxthey're still around?21:10
a_l_ewell, kilikali won't do... it can't recursive add songs...21:10
Navijohnx, or you could ssh into yourself21:10
johnxor that, yes21:11
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* Navi is too lazy to install easyroot21:11
johnxyeah, the clicking on things is tough21:11
* lcuk waves an easyeasyrootinstall link at navi :P21:12
* Navi cries21:12
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lcuknavi - is sshing yourself in public legal in your country?21:12
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zapAh, what a relief to work with WiFi power saving turned off :)))21:12
RST38hjohnx: They spun off their dev tools as CodeGear subsidiary a while ago21:13
lcuki just whisper my wifi around21:13
lcukno point in shouting21:13
NaviSome routers are deaf21:13
* johnx forgot how awesome rotation was21:13
RST38hjohnx: And just sold it to some seocnd tier db maker for $20m+21:13
Naviwhispering is not enough21:13
lcukget then a hearing aid21:13
Navijohnx, indeed it is21:13
lcukpringles can  or wok21:13
KotCzarnywifi whisperer?21:14
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NaviHeh, I was going to retort with who the hell carries a wok21:14
NaviBut I have >_>21:14
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lcukwould you like tcp with that?21:15
johnxheh..."you down with tcp? yeah you know me!"21:16
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lcuki tried banana/ip but the SLIP was too great21:16
KotCzarnytoo much friction on the packets and you overheat your router21:17
zapAnother newbie question: are there curl/wget/lftp and other great cmdline tools for OS 2008?21:17
KotCzarnyzap: yes21:17
zapwhat repository?21:17
lcukoffs, internet dying, must be a monkey around21:17
zapthank you21:17
johnxlcuk, netcraft confirms, the internet is dying?21:18
Navilcuk, bai21:18
* lcuk puts 50p into virgins slot21:18
* KotCzarny eats another banana and smiles innocently21:18
lcukahhh well, irc appears to work, but there must be something big inside virgin21:19
lcukinternet tubes are blocked21:19
RST38hthat must be a turd you are talking about.21:20
KotCzarnydo a mallox21:20
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lcuki dunno why but its all dead :'(21:21
* lcuk mourns internet21:21
lcukjohnx i tried to check netcraft but they have died as well21:21
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johnxlcuk, DNS issues? routing issues?21:22
lcuknahhh, girlfriend trouble21:22
lcukthe missus started some torrents21:22
johnxah, QoS is your answer :)21:23
KotCzarnydo some throttling?21:23
lcuki stopped then and am rebooting the router - it dies occasionally21:23
KotCzarnyinstall openwrt?21:23
johnxyeah, crappy routers tend to cope poorly with thousands of open NAT connections21:23
lcuki do, but i think the little thing gets its knickers in a twist21:23
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lcukits strange how irc continued tho21:24
Stskeepsirc can keep up during coups of state and iraq wars21:24
johnxit already had a spot in the tablet allocated21:24
infobotjohnx meant: it already had a spot in the table allocated21:24
johnxmy brains auto-complete needs to get wiped O_o21:24
lcukahh well its come right back21:24
lcukno need to even reboot , curious21:25
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vitorbaptistaHi, I am doing something wrong or it's really hard to take the n800's battery out?21:25
johnxit's difficult21:26
NaviAt first, it's hard21:26
johnxeither hold it upside town and smack it gently21:26
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johnxor pry from the end without the contacts with a credit card21:26
lcukon 810 it falls out21:26
NaviIt gets easier after doing it a few times21:26
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vitorbaptistalet me try the credit card...21:26
vitorbaptistamy nails aren't hard enough21:27
NaviIt's safe to smack it :P21:27
johnx...and more fun21:27
X-FadeI always tap it on the front..21:27
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vitorbaptistait went easily with the CC :P21:27
lcukvitorbaptista, you are right, and as a result of swiping it near your camera the number is now uploaded21:27
vitorbaptistaThere's no identification number21:27
lcukunder the battery, not just under the cover21:28
vitorbaptistalcuk: lol21:28
johnxit's next to the SD card slot21:28
NaviIt's on a sticker next to the ^21:28
johnxnot under the battery21:28
vitorbaptistaNavi: Yes... it's only "Void if removed"21:28
vitorbaptistayea, it's near the SD card21:28
lcuki hate stickers that say "VO              OVED"21:28
vitorbaptistaabout 20min lost trying to take the battery off21:28
KotCzarnywlan: void if removed21:29
johnxI just arping my tablet when I need to know :)21:29
KotCzarnyvitorbaptista: try pulling other end?21:30
vitorbaptistaCan I go from the oldest OS 2007 to the newer OS 2008? Or I have to go step by step?21:30
johnxall reflashes are complete replacements21:30
johnxjust go to the latest21:30
KotCzarnycomplete reflash21:30
vitorbaptistagreat, downloading21:31
johnxyou've backed up everything you want to keep, right?21:31
vitorbaptistajohnx: Sure... that is... uhm...21:31
vitorbaptistaJust bought it yesterday21:31
n800nis there anything else other than quiver?21:31
johnxjust making sure :)21:31
vitorbaptistathanks :P21:31
johnxn800n, mirage and mediabox21:31
n800ni think mediabox indexes beforehand too, i'll try mirage21:32
KotCzarnyand of course canola21:32
vitorbaptistaIsn't there a good emulator for mega drive games to maemo?21:32
n800nthe builtin viewer is pretty good to21:32
vitorbaptistano one ported yet?21:32
n800ncanola is the slowest so far, also the prettiest21:33
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a_l_ei'm trying ukmp... it's indexing :-(21:37
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MajMin7hey, I'm trying to figure out how to get an application to run on my N810 target device21:44
MajMin7it works in scratchbox21:44
MajMin7I have compiled it for ARM21:45
MajMin7but I can't figure out how to "install from file" in application manager21:45
MajMin7I cant find the file!21:45
MajMin7can anyone point me in the right direction?21:46
KotCzarnymake a .deb21:46
MajMin7i was afraid that was the answer21:46
johnxif it's just a binary copy it over directly and run it in place21:46
lcukor if its testing just copy over and setup the required structure yourself21:47
KotCzarnyor just copy files to /usr/local21:47
johnxno need to install it just to test it21:47
MajMin7i copied it over and then ran it from the terminal21:47
MajMin7and it just spit out random ascii text21:47
MajMin7didnt run21:47
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lcukif you first built it for x86 make sure you make clean then rebuild it21:47
lcuki fell into that trap exactly once, from that day forewards i have never compiled anything in scratchbox for x8621:49
MajMin7let me see if that does it21:49
* KotCzarny didn't compile for x86 in sbox even once21:49
* lcuk was young and following instructions21:50
lcuk(well not so young, but still not a duffer)21:51
zapWhat filesystem is the best to use on internal 2Gb card? I hate FAT and I don't use windos anyways21:51
lcukyou should have your own impression of what you prefer then21:51
NaviI built a WM once in x86 to test it out21:52
johnxzap, ext2 or ext3 is fine21:52
zapyep, but there are no fs tools on nokia :)21:52
zapcan't find mkfs.ext221:52
johnxit isn't installed by default21:52
zapwhat package is it?21:52
zapapt-cache search doesn't want to tell me21:52
johnxlike ext2fsprogs or something21:52
zapaha21:52 has your answers once again :)21:52
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zapits soooo big, much too big to grok in one evening21:53
* lcuk has being trying to understand his tiny device for almost 6 months now21:53
KotCzarny6 months?21:53
lcukyer, got it 21dec21:53
KotCzarnyyou have it longer than me21:54
johnxgood resources: , ,
zapI can laugh in the face of the guys that will tell me that there's no software for n810 now21:54
KotCzarnyjohnx: also and google.com21:54
lcukyer but you had linux experience before21:54
lcukmy next device wont take me so long to grapple :)21:54
KotCzarnyand you had windows experience21:54
lcuklol @ lag factor21:55
vitorbaptistaFor flashing to the new OS 2008 I just need to copy the .bin to the SD Card in my n800 and execute it, right?21:56
lcuk:) i have a lot of catching up to do code wise, im starting to see things forming as they are meant to21:56
johnxvitorbaptista, nope: google "flashing maemo from linux"21:56
lcukvitorbaptista, no, there is a linux or windows based flashing tool21:56
lsobraln800n, where are you noticing the slowdown in loading pictures in canola? Is it in the thumb screen while generating thumbs?21:56
vitorbaptistaLooking for it21:56
johnxaahaha! tap+hold right click in xfce4 works21:57
n800nupdating the media library takes forever21:57
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lsobraln800n, that is related to scanning your media library through light media scanner, which canola uses21:57
MajMin7got it21:58
MajMin7thats perfect21:58
MajMin7I dont care about making a .deb21:58
MajMin7it took me 2.5 days to build the environment, compile hello world, and execute it on the target21:58
MajMin712 hour days, too!21:58
johnxwell, you're up to speed now. It's all easier from here21:59
lsobraln800n, but lightmediascanner is pretty fast in the average case, this may be a bug scanning some files in your library that may be slowing the whole process down21:59
KotCzarnylsobral: maybe 3000x2000 files? :)21:59
lcukMajMin7, :) it gets easier from here on in21:59
n800nthese are a lot of files though21:59
n800na few thousand22:00
MajMin7so i have another question:  is there somewhere that I can find example code for using the GPS?  I haven't been able to find that yet22:00
MajMin7is that available in a repository?22:00
n800nall in all they'll be about 25,000 jpeg+gif22:00
lcukMajMin7, wait there22:00
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lcukhi flo22:00
lsobralyeah, that is lots of images :)22:00
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lcukMajMin7, still waiting?22:03
lcukMajMin7, am just trying to get a lock on the gps code22:03
MajMin7im in no hurry22:04
lcukgood job really with 810 gps22:04
MajMin7its a decent gps?22:05
MajMin7or the interface?22:05
lcukits a bit slow getting up to speed22:05
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lcukonce its locked its ok22:06
lcuktry   and from there and probably loads more :)22:06
vitorbaptistaOS 2008 looks so better22:08
n800ni just talked to a guy who lost his laptop and he's working off his iphone22:08
n800niphone pfffffft22:08
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n800ni didn't say that cause he just hired me for a gig but that's what i was thinking22:08
KotCzarnyit doesn't matter as long he gets his job done, right?22:09
n800nhe's a producer so i'm assuming it was a mac22:09
n800ndouble pffft.22:09
n800nwell half a pfft since i'm on one now22:10
n800nbut at least i'm running windows on it22:10
johnxheh...macs are fine22:10
n800nso i'm 133722:10
KotCzarnywin on mac is a 1298749071501xPFT22:10
vitorbaptista1337 for running windows? :P22:10
johnxit's just bsd with a candy-coated GUI22:10
n800nnot just windows22:10
n800nwindows on a mac22:10
NaviOS X is fine22:10
KotCzarnyosx sucks22:11
NaviIt's Apple I have a problem with22:11
lcukn800n, not just windows? you mean windows vista?22:11
vitorbaptistan800n: even worse :P22:11
n800nno, xp22:11
n800nwhatever man.22:11
n800ni think it's pretty sweet22:11
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lcukwasnt there something recently that said the fastest windows hardware was apple?22:12
n800ni do media production so i can't switch to linux cause of that22:12
n800ni woud if i could22:12
lcukkeep with what works :)22:12
vitorbaptistan800n: Tell that to Dreamworks :X22:12
KotCzarnybut don't advertise it as better22:12
n800nthey probably use inux boxes for rendering22:13
n800nwhich is more like a workhorse thing, not a creative thing22:13
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vitorbaptistanot only... :P22:13
vitorbaptistashrek 3, etc, were all in linux...22:13
vitorbaptistafrom creation to rendering22:13
lcukyou gotta admit thou, shrek isnt made to look pretty :P22:14
n800nwhat about video editing22:14
vitorbaptistan800n: I am a programmer, so I can't tell much about this...22:15
MajMin7kluve: just got back22:15
MajMin7saw the link22:15
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vitorbaptistaif an enterprise as big as dreamworks use it, they must have a reason...22:15
n800ni think in theory there are plenty of video apps on linux but they're not very intuitive22:15
lcukthat is not due to linux, that is simply due to the right developers havent seen a need to switch yet22:16
a_l_emmmh... ukmp is nice to look at, but, well... not really what i was looking for.22:16
johnxI think dreamworks uses a lot of inhouse stuff.22:17
n800nwell the standard for the video editing gui was set by avid, which are the biggest assholes in the closed software market22:17
jldiaza_l_e: canola?22:17
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n800nbut the thing is it's a pretty good standard22:17
jldiazwhat are you looking for?22:17
johnxa_l_e, youamp maybe?22:18
a_l_ejldiaz: either... that's a full blown media player.22:18
n800ni'll rant some other time22:18
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KotCzarny(ncurses frontend to mplayer)22:18
a_l_ejldiaz: i'm just looking for a program with which i can browse some folders, it may show me the id tags of the current folder and i can play ogg and mp3.22:18
KotCzarnya_l_e: xmms22:19
a_l_e... if possible, not a program which automatically browses all my sd cards!22:19
a_l_emmmh... xmms...22:19
a_l_eit was not in the repositories i've already loaded...22:19
KotCzarnya_l_e: just get a .deb and install it22:20
jldiazif you dont dare using command-line for "browsing", mplayer could be a choice22:20
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a_l_ei like the command line... but not really on the it22:22
lcukwell since everything has some kind of emulator or run env.  can i get windows explorer?22:22
johnxwhat should I take screenshots of in debian for the n800?22:22
Navicontrol panel22:22
Jonjohnx: import -window root screenshot.png (import in package imagemagick)22:22
Jona_l_e: it's not ideal w/o a real keyboard22:23
KotCzarnyjon: he asked what people would like to see22:23
NaviUh... I don't know what else22:23
johnxI just use xwd :)22:23
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KotCzarnyjohnx: do a idle battery-rundown test22:23
Jonyes, that would be very useful22:23
johnxKotCzarny, I wouldn't dream of stealing that honor from you :)22:23
KotCzarnyi can provide you with a script (assuming you have a /dev/retu)22:23
a_l_ethe program i've found and somehow does what i need, is snackamp... but there seem to be no port for maemo (and on my normal computer it's all about ogg123 and mpg123 :-)22:24
JonI think I've pretty much decided that to get the n800 perfect to my needs I need to start from debian and not it200822:24
johnxah, and I promised someone a shot of evolution22:25
KotCzarny'shot of evolution'22:25
KotCzarnythat's harsh22:25
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johnxjeez, getting a ton of earthquakes here tonight O_o22:27
Navithe world is coming to an end22:27
KotCzarnywhere is here?22:27
lcukdefine here22:27
johnxYokohama, Japan22:27
lcukgodzilla attack?22:27
johnxcheck out the map:
johnxI swear he's surfacing off the coast or something O_o22:28
KotCzarnyit's 'he' ?22:28
KotCzarnyi always thought it's a 'she'22:28
lcuktheres a fat kid in america doing exersizes22:28
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johnxheh...yeah well he fell into the pacific then, and he's jumping up and down 90km off the coast22:29
KotCzarnywrong continent22:30
KotCzarny(and culture myths)22:30
vitorbaptistasee y'all22:30
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zaphahaha, I moved /home to mmc2 and after reboot I've got the default gtk look of all widgets, and the mouse cursor visible :)22:31
KotCzarnyn800n: shopped22:32
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lcddzap: did you forget dotfiles?22:32
n800nhaha no!22:32
zapbut it seems that mmc2 is mounted after maemo gets started22:32
johnxsounds likely22:33
jottKotCzarny: it's "gimped" not "shopped" in here! :p22:33
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KotCzarny  |> Beetlejuice Theme22:34
zaphmm, /etc/fstab contains an entry for my external SD card, but no entry for the build-in SD22:34
KotCzarnyzap: fstab is ignored anyway22:34
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KotCzarnyby nokia's scripts22:34
pupniknice n800n22:34
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zapwhy they write to fstab then?22:34
KotCzarnywho knows22:34
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zaplegacy stuff it seems :)22:34
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jottwe all know it's not LSB but it's NSB the nokia standard base22:35
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KotCzarnyofftopic, anyone used usb sound card in linux ?22:35
zapwell at least they converged with gtk22:36
jottKotCzarny: yes i've one on my router :)22:36
jottworks like a charm22:36
KotCzarnyjott: have you experienced lags when switching songs etc. ?22:36
KotCzarnylooking like big buffers etc.22:36
jotthm not really, using mpd via oss22:36
KotCzarnyi'm using mplayer, and while seeking is ok, switching songs takes ~4-6s22:37
n800nman quiver is almost perfect. are there any devs here working on it?22:37
jotti use this - really great for the price22:37
KotCzarnyjott: hmm, interesting, it works with linux without problems?22:38
jottKotCzarny: yes openwrt out of the box (after ipkg install bla)22:38
KotCzarnywhat are usb vid:pid of this?22:39
jott oh actually it's this one..22:39
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jottdon't know if they differ22:39
jottmom checking ids22:39
jottBus 003 Device 002: ID 0c76:1605 JMTek, LLC.22:39
KotCzarnyYour search - 0c76:1605 - did not match any documents.22:40
zapHmm, how do I manage to get /home on mmc2, but have it visible through USB...22:40
jottoO should be atleast at id list ;)22:40
KotCzarnyzap: not going to happen22:40
KotCzarnyzap: just use sshfs22:40
KotCzarnyjott: yeah22:40
zapI would like to have my home on a persistent storage22:41
KotCzarnyjott: send a report for devs? :)22:41
zapto avoid losing it on reflashes22:41
KotCzarnyzap: clone os to mmc22:41
jottKotCzarny: works fine and is detected fine so ... :)22:41
KotCzarnyjott: yeah, but thx for info it works with linux22:41
zapthe whole OS?22:41
KotCzarnyi was reluctant because i haven't seen any reports22:41
KotCzarnyzap: yeah, that's what i have22:41
DaniloCesarandrunko, Do you have an address for your .git instead of gitweb? (about QT Keyboard for maemo )22:42
zaphow do you make it start from there?22:42
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KotCzarnyzap: fanoush initfs22:42
zapgot the idea22:42
zapalthough I don't know who's fanoush22:42
KotCzarnysome hacker22:42
KotCzarnybut it works22:42
zapso kernel & initrd still starts from ROM22:42
zapwell thats a bit more than I wanted :)22:43
zapI'll try to mount mmc2 early in rcS22:43
KotCzarnyzap: you are asking for troubles22:43
zapsure :)22:43
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zapthats why I bought Nokia for22:43
KotCzarny  |> NTranceFeatRodStewart - DaYaThinkImSexy (ViperTransObjekt)22:43
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KotCzarnyjott: is it duplex device?22:45
DaniloCesarandrunko, I'd founded... thanks22:46
Khertan_on_n810i'm trying to select event in a sql database, how can i include reccuring event ? does doing it in sqlite or doing it in the code (python) ? what is the more efficient ways ?22:46
jottKotCzarny: never tested if it does full duplex but it has a mic imput. i just use it to have music in the kitchen (controlled via n810 yay! :)22:47
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zapby the way, how to access the serial port on Nokia?22:47
KotCzarnyjott: heh, it could be a great way for a speakerphone in the kitchen22:47
Khertan_on_n810there is no serial rs232 port22:47
zapsad, such a handy thing :)22:48
johnxusb -> rs23222:48
zapa real rs232 is better :)22:48
KotCzarnybt -- rs232 ?22:49
zapeven worse :)22:49
jottKotCzarny: heh yeah maybe. could even be used for voip :).. well just order it - it costs basically nothing :)22:49
zapa real rs232 is available immediately after kernel startup22:49
KotCzarnyjott: yeah, i like free shipping option :)22:49
zapbt and usb needs tricky setup first22:49
zap/dev/ttyS0 is working22:50
zapso actually there *is* a rs23222:50
zapumm, maybe that's bluetooth22:50
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Khertan_on_n810arg no To_days() function in sqlite22:53
jottzap: under the battery are pins from which two *should* be tx/rx but i don't know if their assignment is known22:53
zapjott: interesting22:53
jott(know to the comunity that is :)22:53
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n800nat least you have a keyboard.22:54
jotthehe not much longer ;)22:54
n800nif i throw the stylus i'm screwed22:54
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jottyou can always use your nose :)22:55
n800ni do have a weird nose but i'm no michael jackson22:55
KotCzarnyor nails22:55
zapaha, mounting is handled by HAL22:55
n800nn800 wishlist: bogger screen so my nose can do better callibration22:55
n800ntime to stop typing22:56
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zapbah, /etc/init.d/ttyusb0 starts a serial console on an RS232-to-USB cable, if found22:56
AStormhmm, hsd OMWeather recently ceased to work for you?22:57
infobotAStorm meant: hmm, has OMWeather recently ceased to work for you?22:57
jottzap: there are some infos about the 770 serial port22:57
Capn_Fishjohnx: Still here?22:57
johnxgot right click working22:58
johnxmuch easier than I thought22:58
zapit's 3.3V but neverless...22:58
Capn_FishUsing gtkmousethingy?22:58
johnxso only for gtk apps22:58
johnxbut if people want to install something else they can figure it out22:58
Capn_FishI see.22:58
Capn_FishI'll just have to finish my hacking, then :)22:58
johnxyes. please, hack on this22:59
Capn_FishWill do, once I get it booting :)22:59
jottzap:  yeah just get a max232 :)22:59
johnxI'll probably clean it up and release it tomorrow or the next day22:59
Capn_FishI'll be waiting23:00
johnxscreen rotation works great, too :)23:00
Capn_FishI kind of consider that a party favor, like KDE: not so useful, but cool nonetheless23:00
Capn_FishNot to demean your work, of course23:00
johnxit was one of those convenience things. I was there and it took like 5 minutes to repackage23:00
Capn_FishYa. I know the feeling.23:01
johnxnah, not my work at all, just a quick repackage job23:01
johnxin fact, this is really *all* a collection of other people's work23:01
Capn_FishSo are many projects23:01
Capn_FishBut it's still work, and much appreciated23:01
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johnxanyways, sound won't happen for this release, but maybe I'll try and get together some way to configure wireless graphically23:02
zaphow rc*.d directories are handled in OS 2008?23:02
johnxzap, same as debian23:02
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zapunfortunately, I'm a RedHat fan :)23:02
zapwhat commands?23:02
johnxaaah, update-rc.d maybe?23:03
Capn_FishNot an issue for me. I don't use sound anyway, nor do I use a GUI for wireless config23:03
zapthank you :)23:03
johnxCapn_Fish, Right, but lots of people do, including me :)23:03
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Capn_FishYa. It will make it more appealing to the masses. I'm just trying to show that I don't mind using (pre-)beta software as my main OS23:04
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johnxthe big deal breaker is that display blanking will have to be CLI only and battery life will probably be reduced to <3 hours unless you actually turn it all the way off23:04
Capn_FishJust like a regular comp23:05
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Capn_FishWhy can't you blank the display in X?23:05
johnxno DPMS support in this build of xomap23:05
johnxand rebuilding it seems like a pain23:05
Capn_FishIs xomap a pain to rebuild?23:05
Capn_FishFair enough23:06
johnxwell ok, then23:06
johnxthat would be a great thing to do then :)23:06
Capn_FishIs it just a scratchbox build?23:06
johnxthere are DPMS patches hanging around somewhere too23:06
Capn_FishI can do it if that's the case and have sources23:06
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KotCzarnycapn: apt-get source xorg-server23:08
Capn_FishAnd if I don't use Debian...?23:08
johnxthis might provide DPMS support or set your tablet on fire:
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KotCzarnycapn: scratchbox's command23:08
johnxCapn_Fish, scratchbox uses apt-get :)23:08
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Capn_FishI'll try it when Aleph One finishes building23:09
Capn_FishIs this Debian build going to have the Maemo interface, or will it be CLI?23:09
johnxxfce, by popular request23:10
KotCzarnyjohnx: add fluxbox as an option too?23:10
Capn_FishNice, so I can just remove Xfce and build up from essentially the CLI?23:10
johnxKotCzarny, if you want fluxbox, run apt-get install fluxbox23:10
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Capn_FishMore to the point, will it be like OS2008, in that if you kill X, it shuts down?23:11
johnxdefinitely not23:11
Capn_FishGreat! That's really irritating23:11
johnxthe only evidence of that god forsaken watchdog is that if you suspend it will die in 60 seconds23:11
johnxyou could use flasher to kill it for good and suspend all you want though :)23:11
johnxsomething like flasher --disable-wd-reboot or somesuch23:12
Capn_FishWhat do you mean about the 60 seconds thing?23:12
johnxit pings the device and certain apps every 30 seconds and if they don't respond in 60 it reboots23:13
Capn_FishAhh, gotcha23:13
johnxit's Nokia's idea to keep you from being stuck with a hung machine23:13
GeneralAntillesDon't forget to bring a towel!
KotCzarnyjohnx: reset button would be nicer..23:13
lcukhi gen, not seen you floating around for a while23:14
Capn_FishThat even effects Debian?23:14
johnxCapn_Fish, yes23:14
Capn_FishMost unfortunate.23:14
Capn_FishI will have to look into that.23:14
johnxfor lack of a better method, the debian boot process is: kernel -> nokia initrd -> debian /sbin/init23:14
johnxif you don't use the nokia initrd you lose battery charging :)23:14
GeneralAntilleslcuk, I'm at home23:15
Capn_FishThat may be an issue.23:15
GeneralAntillesIRC hasn't been a priority. ;)23:15
GeneralAntillesJust got my old Quicksilver back up to speed anyway.23:15
johnxyou can run the battery daemon manually if you want23:15
lcukhave you given any more nokias away then this time23:15
n800n<belve> i learned all my german from wolfenstein 3d23:16
Capn_FishYou can't just add it to the boot process?23:16
johnxCapn_Fish, you could, but you have to muck around with chrooting into Nokia's initrd23:16
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Capn_FishNah, I'll just flash the reboot thing out.23:17
Capn_FishChrooting is a pain23:17
johnxso I'd have to use a modified kernel that booted directly to SD, chroot back into initrd, run bme in that env, and then continue23:17
GeneralAntillesNah, though I'm about to sell one of my 770s for cheap. ;)23:17
Capn_FishNot worth it. Flashing the reboot thing out is much simpler23:18
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johnxexactly, and I'd never get people to try debian if they had to flash a different kernel that wouldn't work with OS200823:18
Capn_FishThat's one of the major reasons so few people tried pdaXrom r1xx on the Zaurus, IMO. uBoot scared them off.23:19
johnxuboot scared *me* away23:19
johnxand with good reason23:19
Capn_FishWhy? It's near impossible to brick a Z23:20
johnxand yet people have done it with uboot23:20
johnxmaybe I just let the horror stories get to me23:20
johnxit just seemed so unnecessary23:20
Capn_FishI haven't heard of a case of actual bricking23:20
Capn_FishIt IS unnecessary23:20
johnxah, just people panicing?23:21
Capn_FishOne of the devs foobared his bootloader, and moved to uBoot to compensate23:21
Capn_FishYa, people forget about the Fn+D+M menu stored in ROM23:21
Capn_FishYou can restore your Z from there after doing ANYTHING software-wise23:21
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KotCzarnynokia doesn't have any easy way to restore broken bootloader23:22
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Capn_FishI have a question for you, before I go too much further with my right-click scheme23:22
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Capn_FishIf an app is in fullscreen mode, will X still catch events?23:22
Capn_FishOr will the app get them first?23:23
johnxX or the WM?23:23
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Capn_FishX, I guess23:23
KotCzarnyx hands events to an app23:23
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johnxwell it has to has them, if I understand correctly23:23
johnx*well X has to have23:23
Capn_FishSo if I put the code in X, it should work, but if it's a separate daemon/in the WM, it most likely won't work for fullscreen apps.23:24
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Capn_FishYet another reason to rebuild X :)23:24
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johnxwell you could have something that's fullscreen all the time23:24
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Capn_FishI might as well add it to X, if I can figure out where23:25
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Capn_FishAlso know that I've never really used Xlib before, so it would be an adventure to figure out more than I have23:26
johnxI'm not much of a programmer23:27
johnxI just hack on stuff if I'm forced to23:27
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Capn_FishI'm more the other way around, except not great at either23:27
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johnxanyways, any other simple stuff you think I should clean up before a release?23:28
johnxas in?23:28
johnxmake a nice keymap for the N810 keyboard?23:28
Capn_Fish the / key requires Fn/shift23:28
Capn_FishI would, but I don't have Xev23:28
johnxno N810 here :(23:28
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Capn_FishHmm. I'll see if I can find the keymap and edit it for you.23:29
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Capn_FishWhere did they put the keymap in OS2008?23:32
johnxgood question23:32
AStormwhee, some dead update in extras-devel23:32
AStormnew lms, but no new liblms, which is required23:33
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KotCzarnyastorm: how's the battery project?23:33
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AStormKotCzarny: got almost all needed stuff23:34
KotCzarnyany eta ?23:34
johnxbattery project?23:34
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AStormno eta, depends on real life :P23:34
AStormbut quite soon23:34
AStormprobably on next holidays (that is, two weeks?)23:35
johnxwhat is this battery project?23:35
KotCzarnyexternal battery pack for nokia23:36
johnxah, fun23:36
KotCzarnyusing 2/3/4 AA23:36
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lcuknokia + car battery == still lighter than a laptop ;)23:36
AStormright now 223:36
KotCzarny  |> Leva's Polka (Basshunter Remix - Loituma23:36
AStormlcuk: car?23:36
KotCzarnylcuk: not true23:36
KotCzarnymy x32 weighs ~ 3lbs23:37
AStormwe need more touchscreens!23:38
lcukreal touch or stylus only?23:38
Capn_FishBah, forgot to disable OpenGL in my Aleph One build! Now I need to start over...23:38
KotCzarnyreal touch23:38
KotCzarnyof course23:38
lcukcos i think a big bad touch screen would be annoying havign to keep wrist off the surface23:38
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Capn_FishBack in a bit23:40
AStormlcuk: that's why we need multitouch23:40
AStormand good sw23:40
johnxCapn_Fish, I'm probably heading to bed soon23:40
johnxgood to talk to you :)23:41
Capn_Fishcatch you later23:41
johnxLook for an announcement on ITT in the next couple days23:41
Capn_FishWill do.23:41
Capn_FishI hope you'll do it in the same Debian thread?23:41
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RST38hAnybody has any idea how to pair gnome fs URLs sent by the file manager with fopen()?23:43
AStormcheck mime database :)23:43
RST38hIn other words, if I get something like bt:/blablabla/blabla, how do I tell Gnome to load it into a temporary file I can open with fopen()?23:44
RST38hno, mime recognition is done at this point23:44
johnxCapn_Fish, I'll probably start a new thread since it really is quite different23:44
RST38hI am already getting this url via dbus and need to open it, but I only have fopen() in the code23:44
johnxdo you think I should use the same thread?23:44
Capn_Fishfair enough. I'll actually have to look then :)23:44
lcukjohnx, make a new one and post a followup at the end of the current thread for ppl watching23:45
Capn_FishNot really. I just didn't have to actually look at the forums as opposed to just using my bookmark23:45
AStormRST38h: hmm, there was a file only toggle in mime db23:45
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AStormi think23:45
johnxah, good points luck and Capn_Fish23:45
RST38hI can't toggle things - I am getting them from Nokia's File Manager =)23:45
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RST38hBut there just SHOULD be some wrapper that downloads those URLs into tmp and returns temp file name?23:46
rm_youjohnx: announcement of what? :P23:46
johnxrm_you, new debian sooooooooon23:46
rm_yousignificantly more useful than the last one? :P23:46
johnxI'm just going to have it boot into xfce23:47
johnxright click works and there's a decent browser23:47
rm_youhow much work was that?23:47
rm_youoh, any news on audio support? :P23:47
johnxno audio support23:47
johnxthere's your news :P23:48
rm_youmaybe during summer i can ACTUALLY work on that23:48
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rm_youdoes it look entirely hopeless? or like it might be solvable?23:50
timelyrm_you: did you get your money working?23:50
rm_youIE, are there any actual roadblocks?23:50
infobottimely meant: rm_you: did you get your menu working?23:50
rm_youtimely: haven't had time yet :/23:50
rm_youI have a final in 2 hours :P23:50
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johnxrm_you, it's definitely possible to hack sound into working I *think*23:50
rm_youand I ran out of computer science classes last semester, which means i'm stuck with random "liberal arts" classes that I actually need to study for23:51
rm_youjohnx: sweet. I look forward to it :)23:51
johnxI don't know how motivated I'll be to work on it though, TBH23:51
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rm_yous/to it/to working on it/23:52
infobotrm_you meant: johnx: sweet. I look forward to working on it :)23:52
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elbjohnx: nice, "definitely ... I *think*" ;-)23:53
johnxwell I definitely think it's possible, that's all I'm saying :)23:54
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lcuk:D i phone gets wood.23:58
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KotCzarnylooks.. fragile23:59
lcukperhaps it saw a nokia seductively sliding open to reveal its full keyboard23:59
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Cptnodegardstupid fishperson has been triggering my nickalert all day -.-23:59

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