| lirakis_work | so i reflashed to the newest os2008 on my n810 and installed modest | 00:02 |
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| lirakis_work | .. but i cant figure out which "mail" it is | 00:02 |
| lirakis_work | i installed it under communications... but i just see two applications that say "mail" | 00:02 |
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| lirakis_work | and when i start them .. they both look exactly the same | 00:05 |
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| lirakis_work | nice .. i got it .. just uninstalled and reinstalled to extras | 00:08 |
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| zakm | has somebody ported cplay ( commandline music player. ) for 2008HE? | 00:15 |
| zakm | or 2007HE. | 00:15 |
| MrDowntempo | has any one had success getting mono on OS2008 | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | the std or the .net clone? | 00:22 |
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| Proteous | when are you going to port wine? | 00:29 |
| Proteous | I want to play WoW on my 770 | 00:30 |
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| KotCzarny | use vnc | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | evening gents | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 00:44 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 00:44 |
| lcuk | whos got their 810 with them | 00:44 |
| lcuk | 8x0^ | 00:45 |
| lardman | I've got an N800 here and my n810 is somewhere around | 00:45 |
| * KotCzarny has 800 | 00:45 | |
| lcuk | when you are in here, does it sit idle | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | in where? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | sat talking | 00:46 |
| lardman | when I'm talking you mean? | 00:46 |
| lcuk | yer, im thinking of making an ickle game | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | mine is somewhere on my desk | 00:46 |
| lardman | No, I usually only log on when I'm doing dev work | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | lcukÂ:on my N810 in a keynote about whizzy JavaFX stuff | 00:46 |
| lcuk | im just thinking something dead simple that would suit the device and which could have lots of players | 00:47 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Have you asked them nicely if they won't sue...? :) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | :D w00t jaffa | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | something like multi player airhockey | 00:48 |
| term-sig | Jaffa: javaFX ? | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | i treat irc as a game | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
| lcuk | so do i - but i faff whilst im talking | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | i spin my pen or my lighter or i doodle | 00:49 |
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| * lardman is writing DSP task for sbcenc | 00:51 | |
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| KotCzarny | sbc ? | 00:51 |
| lardman | a2dp | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 00:51 |
| lardman | only writing the DSP task bit though, the main stuff will be in a thread it lauches | 00:51 |
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| zakm | which is better on a nokia 770 ... 2007HE or 2006? ... i run pidgin, builtin browser and mplayer/builtin video player | 00:55 |
| zakm | need performance way more than visual | 00:55 |
| zakm | but if its 0.1% difference... visual will be better lol | 00:56 |
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| lardman | probably 2006 then | 00:56 |
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| zakm | 2006 is better? | 00:57 |
| zakm | noticeably? | 00:57 |
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| zakm | does google talk work on 2006? | 00:57 |
| lardman | I run 2006, so I'm only going from what I've heard | 00:57 |
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| lardman | My understanding is that 2007HE is slower | 00:57 |
| zakm | as soon as i bought my nokia i updated to 2007HE ? then 2008HE but 2008 is too buggy / slow on 770 | 00:57 |
| zakm | can you run google talk on yours? | 00:57 |
| zakm | the builtin chat/ internet call ? | 00:58 |
| lardman | I've never tried I'm afraid | 00:58 |
| zakm | why? | 00:58 |
| zakm | i do it fine on my nokia 770 | 00:58 |
| lardman | I've no need of it | 00:58 |
| zakm | real great. but i dont know if it works on 2006? | 00:59 |
| zakm | real nice IM'ing? | 00:59 |
| lardman | I'm happy to try it for you to avoid a wasted reflash | 00:59 |
| lardman | where do I download it from? | 00:59 |
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| term-sig | anybody know why i`m getting error message about problems with initliazing screen handling ? (irssi) | 01:00 |
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| zakm | lardman | 01:00 |
| zakm | its builtin | 01:00 |
| zakm | on the "home" .. on left side click on the ppl | 01:00 |
| zakm | under the web picture at top left | 01:00 |
| zakm | and tell me if theres "internet call and chat button" .. thanks | 01:01 |
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| zakm | term-sig: i got those too | 01:01 |
| lardman | I have: View contacts; View Inbox; New e-mail; New call; New Chat | 01:01 |
| zakm | yes thank you | 01:01 |
| zakm | do you know where i could find the 2006 bin's? | 01:01 |
| zakm | that link ? | 01:01 |
| zakm | i was there yesterday but i cant seem to find it at the moment | 01:01 |
| lardman | was it even released for 2006? | 01:01 |
| zakm | lardman: how much did you pay for your rs-mmc? | 01:02 |
| zakm | what was released for 2006? | 01:02 |
| lardman | £12 | 01:02 |
| lardman | for 4Gb | 01:02 |
| zakm | :O | 01:02 |
| zakm | how | 01:02 |
| zakm | where | 01:02 |
| lardman | mobymemory.co.uk | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | in uk, probably | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:02 |
| zakm | wish i knew earlier | 01:02 |
| zakm | my whole family is from the uk | 01:02 |
| zakm | and some just came to visit lol | 01:02 |
| zakm | i need cheap ones for canada ;p | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | ask them to send it? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| lardman | £12.99 inc VAT to be exact | 01:03 |
| zakm | im thinking that | 01:03 |
| zakm | but it might be easier by ebay? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | as a birthday gift etc. | 01:03 |
| lardman | shocking that something in the UK is cheap :) | 01:03 |
| zakm | my birthday was like a month ago lol | 01:03 |
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| zakm | lardman: oh yeah.. lol i been to the uk uhmm 4 times? im 17 .. live in Toronto Canada | 01:04 |
| lardman | zakm: It's a Sandisk card though, so you'll need an adaptor made by someone else | 01:04 |
| zakm | lardman: food expensive eh? :P | 01:04 |
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| zakm | i have many adapters | 01:04 |
| zakm | hey would minisd's work? | 01:04 |
| zakm | there somewhat the same size arent they? | 01:04 |
| lardman | zakm: Everything in expensive, especially petrol/gas (well gas is too now that I think about it) | 01:04 |
| zakm | hah petrol :P | 01:05 |
| zakm | yeah well .. bus fair is good in the uk | 01:05 |
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| zakm | where abouts in the uk are you? | 01:05 |
| lardman | zakm: Should do, but micro do larger sizes for less money | 01:05 |
| lardman | In Bath | 01:05 |
| zakm | micro or mini? | 01:05 |
| zakm | Bath? never heard of | 01:05 |
| lardman | Has famous Roman Baths | 01:05 |
| zakm | i wish somebody just knocked on my house door and sold me a rs-mmc :( | 01:06 |
| zakm | i so want to install debian on it | 01:07 |
| zakm | :D | 01:07 |
| lardman | Why can't you use a standard SD? | 01:07 |
| zakm | they work? | 01:07 |
| zakm | ive tried.. it wouldnt recognize it ? | 01:07 |
| lardman | on the 770? | 01:07 |
| zakm | yeah | 01:07 |
| zakm | i have a 770 | 01:07 |
| zakm | how do you get them to work ? | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | have you flashed custom kernel? | 01:07 |
| zakm | no? | 01:07 |
| zakm | is that all i have to do? | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:07 |
| zakm | lol | 01:07 |
| zakm | any guide on it? | 01:08 |
| zakm | im running linux atm | 01:08 |
| lardman | zakm: ah no, it's a reduced size slot; getting confused with the N800 | 01:08 |
| zakm | ah | 01:08 |
| zakm | well | 01:08 |
| zakm | SD's half fit? | 01:08 |
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| zakm | width wise they fit? but stick out | 01:08 |
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| lardman | but the door must be closed for it to be mounted.... | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | still, default kernel doesn't know about sd protocol | 01:08 |
| zakm | oh | 01:08 |
| zakm | didnt know that | 01:08 |
| term-sig | zakm: then u fix that problem with irssi? | 01:08 |
| zakm | no. i just stopped using it term-sig .. i run xchat instead | 01:09 |
| zakm | runs very well on it :D | 01:09 |
| zakm | i personally love irssi for desktop but idk what it is xchat is nice on the nokia | 01:09 |
| zakm | and has visual tabs.. so you can press .. :P rather than typing on the nokia to change channels | 01:10 |
| zakm | could anyone please help me find a toronto store selling cheap rs-mmc .. or craigslist / ebay or something | 01:10 |
| lardman | anyone happen to know which bit of Bluez the sbc encoder lives in? | 01:12 |
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| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/ has a recursive source directory | 01:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, svn didn't do quite what I was hoping... | 01:23 |
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| Navi | Uh... | 01:26 |
| Navi | Where can I grab the proprietary packages? | 01:26 |
| Navi | for tablet-browser-ui and such, that is | 01:26 |
| gpd | crap - ubuntu updated unison to 2.27 - now unison on maemo is too old to sync - if someone could compile I would be very grateful :) | 01:26 |
| lardman | Navi: for scratchbox? | 01:27 |
| Navi | I need armel packages. | 01:27 |
| lardman | Navi: binaries should be on the device? | 01:27 |
| Navi | I removed osso-browser, tablet-browser-ui, tablet-browser-controls, and tablet-browser-default-plugin | 01:27 |
| gpd | http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison//download/releases/unison-2.27.57/unison-2.27.57.tar.gz <- :D | 01:27 |
| Navi | and they're not in the repos | 01:27 |
| lardman | oh, I see | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | they are | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | but in a different one | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 01:28 |
| Navi | Link me. | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | moment | 01:28 |
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| Navi | oh, and microb-eal | 01:29 |
| lardman | I can't see anything of interest under chinook or maemo4.0 | 01:29 |
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| KotCzarny | repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/microb-eal/microb-eal_0.2.1-1.tar.gz | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | that's source though | 01:29 |
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| gpd | crap - it came from hardy-backports - grumble | 01:30 |
| lardman | oooh, free, I forgot that | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | but osso-browser, it's the proper name? | 01:30 |
| Navi | Yes, that's the proper package name. | 01:31 |
| lardman | Navi: There's always the repo provided by the Garage project | 01:31 |
| Navi | I have it in my sources.list | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, so the other ones aren't available for chinook | 01:31 |
| lardman | I'd try http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/3.2/install/microb-browser.install, otherwise I don't know | 01:31 |
| lardman | ah, 3.2 I see | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | they are for bora though | 01:33 |
| lardman | yep | 01:33 |
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| zakm | microb-browser? | 01:34 |
| zakm | is that better than the default in 2006? | 01:34 |
| lardman | not sure it will work in 2006 | 01:36 |
| lardman | but it has more features, but is slower than Opera IMO | 01:37 |
| Navi | Ugh | 01:37 |
| Navi | This is retarded | 01:37 |
| zakm | uhm is it possible to have 2007 default skin.. in 2006? | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:39 |
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| zakm | the 2006 skin is uhmm .. ugly imho | 01:39 |
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| lardman | I prefer the small buttons though; would be good if they were an option on OS2008 | 01:41 |
| zakm | you can download old skins | 01:42 |
| zakm | like small pt skins | 01:42 |
| zakm | of the default skins | 01:42 |
| lardman | Are the themes compatible? As it's a theme setting rather than a skin | 01:42 |
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| KotCzarny | isn't skin a theme? | 01:43 |
| zakm | no | 01:43 |
| zakm | yeah sorry | 01:43 |
| zakm | theres the default themes.. but in different size fonts | 01:43 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: part of it | 01:43 |
| zakm | as a "extra package' | 01:43 |
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| Navi | How do you extract the image? | 01:48 |
| zakm | is the newest 2006 .. bora or mistral / gregale ? | 01:48 |
| zakm | extract the image? | 01:48 |
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| Navi | the FIASCO image | 01:49 |
| zakm | why would you extract it? | 01:49 |
| zakm | you install with it | 01:49 |
| lardman | look at the help for the flasher | 01:50 |
| lardman | ruin it without any arguments; there's an option to unpack the FIASCO image | 01:50 |
| lardman | s/ruin/run | 01:50 |
| Navi | ah, didn't see it | 01:50 |
| zakm | is 2006 .. gregale or mistral? | 01:51 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:54 |
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| lirakis | Dangit | 02:00 |
| lirakis | I upgraded to the latest 2008 for my n810 and now when i try to install mplayer it says "unable to install mplayer" | 02:01 |
| lirakis | It gives no "details" either so .. I have no clue whats wrong :O | 02:03 |
| lirakis | Fyi: i have OS2008 | 02:09 |
| lirakis | Version: 2.2007.51-3 | 02:09 |
| lcuk | this kind of error is sometimes caused by your repos being screwed up. just have a rummage through and clean up any unrequired ones | 02:09 |
| lirakis | I literally reflashed this a few hours ago | 02:10 |
| lirakis | I havent added any repos | 02:10 |
| lcuk | have you run any .installs | 02:10 |
| lirakis | I enabled the extras repo... But nothing besides that | 02:10 |
| lirakis | Yeah.. I installed "modest mail" | 02:10 |
| lcuk | .install adds repos | 02:10 |
| lcuk | or can | 02:11 |
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| lirakis | Ok | 02:11 |
| lirakis | .. But i mean.. Should i just disable the modest repos and try to install mplayeR? | 02:11 |
| lcuk | its worth a shot, and in doing so the repo list will be rebuilt :) | 02:11 |
| lcuk | application list i mean | 02:12 |
| lirakis | Ok .. Yeah i just went and looked .. Modest is the only other repo that wasnt in by default | 02:12 |
| lirakis | Wtf | 02:13 |
| lirakis | Now it doesnt even show mlpayer.. Only kmplayer | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | enable extras now | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | and obtain it from the correct location :) does that mean modest is hosting mplayer? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | or at least advertising it | 02:15 |
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| lirakis | I disabled modest... Then i disabled extras | 02:15 |
| lirakis | then i let it rebuild | 02:15 |
| lirakis | Then i enabled extras | 02:15 |
| lirakis | Then i search for mplayer | 02:15 |
| lirakis | and it only shows kmplayer | 02:15 |
| zakm | is there any other emulation besides scuumvm , gba and mame? | 02:15 |
| zakm | gba reboots my nokia 770 -.- | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: pupnik.de | 02:16 |
| lcuk | kmplayer is the front end to mplayer isnt it | 02:16 |
| lirakis | Yeah | 02:17 |
| lcuk | a* | 02:17 |
| lirakis | But if it cant find mplayer i bet it will fail | 02:17 |
| lirakis | And i dont want kmplayer.. Just mplayert | 02:17 |
| zakm | lol | 02:17 |
| zakm | mplayer is cli ? | 02:17 |
| lirakis | No | 02:17 |
| zakm | you can run mplayer in terminal? | 02:17 |
| zakm | gmplayer = the mplayer your probably trhinking of | 02:17 |
| lirakis | it has a stripped down file load front end | 02:17 |
| zakm | yeah gmplayer | 02:17 |
| zakm | oh | 02:17 |
| lcuk | go here http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ | 02:17 |
| lcuk | click the .install and get yourself the correct repos | 02:18 |
| zakm | GMPLauncher | 02:18 |
| jldiaz | where can be found the latest version of osso-xterm, packaged as a .deb? | 02:18 |
| zakm | i have it on my 2006 ;p | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | jldiaz: inz.fi or something | 02:18 |
| zakm | hey would 2005 bef aster than 2006 ? lol | 02:19 |
| jldiaz | I downloaded yesterday from sse2.net/xterm | 02:19 |
| Navi | ^ | 02:19 |
| jldiaz | but this not seems to be an official site | 02:19 |
| lirakis | Uh.. Wtf .. Now it says mplayer is already installed | 02:19 |
| lirakis | This is bizzare | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo-hackers.org/ | 02:19 |
| jldiaz | why is not published at garage? | 02:19 |
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| zakm | official? isnt it all community-based mostly | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | well, I mean, osso-xterm is hosted at garage, and there you can download the source code from svn and compile yourself | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | but there is not a .deb for the latest tagged version | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | instead, you have to download it from private user's sites | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | the version at maemo-hackers seems to be a bit outdated, isn't? | 02:24 |
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| jldiaz | there is no version for chinook... | 02:24 |
| zakm | why not just use the repo ? | 02:24 |
| lirakis | Bizzare,, mplayer says unable to install .. But it shows up in the menu.. And it runs .. It just doesnt play vids ... So i installl kmplayer and it works fine | 02:24 |
| zakm | chinook has its own term | 02:24 |
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| jldiaz | which is also called osso-xterm | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | isnt? | 02:25 |
| zakm | yeah | 02:25 |
| lirakis | This is the kind of shit that made me put debian in the garbage and move to freebsd | 02:25 |
| jldiaz | I'm confused about the whole xterm affair | 02:25 |
| zakm | lol | 02:25 |
| zakm | xterm is nice i used to use it for my desktop | 02:25 |
| zakm | now i use urxvt | 02:25 |
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| jldiaz | let me clarify myself... I have a n810 with OS2008 | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | it comes with a "Xterm" in the extras menu | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | it is ok, but when I switch off the toolbar, it reappears next time I launch it | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | this is annoying | 02:26 |
| zakm | ;p | 02:26 |
| jldiaz | someone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version" | 02:26 |
| zakm | so save ur settings | 02:27 |
| jldiaz | no, zakm. Apparently it is a bug. That setting is not saved | 02:27 |
| zakm | jldiaz find out the xterm config file and change it .. so everytime you open xxterm it reads what u want | 02:27 |
| jldiaz | even if you modify "at hand" the %gconf file, it reappears | 02:27 |
| zakm | ah | 02:27 |
| jldiaz | so someone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version" | 02:27 |
| jldiaz | at that time I assumed that this was a nokia project | 02:28 |
| jldiaz | it fixed the aforementioned bug | 02:28 |
| jldiaz | but it was only available in source code form | 02:28 |
| jldiaz | someone pointed me to http://sse2.net/xterm/ | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | there were the .debs | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | I downloaded and installed them, and now I'm happy with my xterm, because the statusbar setting is preserved | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | in addition, this version lets me to choose the encoding | 02:30 |
| zakm | anyone try scuumvm on nokia? | 02:30 |
| jldiaz | now, I was about blogging about this, but then realized that http://sse2.net/xterm/ seems an inappropiate site to refer to | 02:30 |
| jldiaz | apparently it is a personal server of the guy that was helping me in this channel | 02:31 |
| zakm | you have a nokia blog? | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | this is why I'm asking now about other "more official" site to find the .deb | 02:31 |
| jldiaz | I will have one, still did not write the first entry :-) | 02:31 |
| zakm | is it possible to run debian on a 64mb rs-mmc card? | 02:32 |
| zakm | on the nokia | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:33 |
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| zakm | could i use the 128mb internal? | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | but i haven't tried it | 02:33 |
| zakm | are you sure of anything? :D lol | 02:33 |
| zakm | i want to try debian :( | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | A question | 02:34 |
| zakm | well on the nokia.. | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | in the control panel, how is named in english the item related to the "text input" or "text entry" | 02:34 |
| jldiaz | my device is localized in spanish, and it calls it "Entrada de texto" | 02:34 |
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| zakm | do a spanish to english dictionary? | 02:36 |
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| zakm | Text input settings | 02:36 |
| jldiaz | I would prefer to know the exact wording used by nokia | 02:36 |
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| jldiaz | anyway, forget about it | 02:36 |
| jldiaz | I re-localized the device in english, so I can find the answer myself | 02:37 |
| zakm | lol | 02:37 |
| zakm | i checked on my nokia. | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | aha... "Text input settings" | 02:37 |
| zakm | i didnt do a translator | 02:37 |
| MrDowntempo | Anyone been able to get tomboy notes running under maemo? | 02:37 |
| zakm | MrDowntempo: didnt know you could .. i just use the builtin notes app | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | oh, you answered me... I didn't read your answer, sorry. | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | and thanks | 02:38 |
| jott | jldiaz: btw, it's my server and there are no official debs of newer osso-xterm versions at the moment. | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | ah, jott, yes... You were the guy which helped me. Thanks again and sorry for forgetting your nick | 02:39 |
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| jott | jldiaz: may ping the project members like inz if they are willing to put a more recent version on the garage site... | 02:39 |
| jott | that would be the appropiate place, as i suppose the extras repository is not meant for bumping versions of core components | 02:41 |
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| zakm | jldiaz: http://770.fs-security-com/xterm | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | bad link | 02:43 |
| zakm | why? | 02:43 |
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| jott | -com vs. .com :) | 02:44 |
| zakm | oh | 02:45 |
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| KotCzarny | ben-hur | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 02:52 |
| benh | heh | 02:53 |
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| lopz | hi | 03:00 |
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| skibur | :] | 03:03 |
| zakm | hi .. my nokia is just all white | 03:04 |
| zakm | it was fine .. then i shut it off.. then i turned it on | 03:04 |
| zakm | and it stays white | 03:04 |
| zakm | i tried charger .. etc | 03:04 |
| zakm | and then it goes like | 03:05 |
| zakm | silver? and freezes | 03:05 |
| zakm | like really odd looking | 03:05 |
| zakm | alot of veritcal lines | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | wsod | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | white screen of death | 03:05 |
| zakm | how do i fix? | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | google for 770 wsod | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:05 |
| zakm | it was working fine two seconds ago -.- | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | people die too | 03:06 |
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| zakm | lol | 03:07 |
| zakm | not the same thing lol | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, electronics can be fixed after death | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | by replacing some parts | 03:07 |
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| zakm | no way | 03:08 |
| zakm | i just bought it | 03:08 |
| zakm | :( | 03:08 |
| zakm | i dont have money to fix it | 03:09 |
| zakm | i spent all my money | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | probably just software thing | 03:09 |
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| zakm | it wont connect to pc? | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | can't help you more than directing to google | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | because i don't own a 770 | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:10 |
| zakm | reflashing it | 03:11 |
| zakm | -.- | 03:11 |
| zakm | luckily pc recognizes it | 03:11 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | you will get used to reflashing | 03:12 |
| zakm | lol | 03:14 |
| zakm | now i have a black box? | 03:14 |
| zakm | in the center lol | 03:14 |
| zakm | and thats it | 03:14 |
| zakm | reflashing didnt help :( | 03:14 |
| jott | zakm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7770 does not sound that promising | 03:14 |
| jott | seems your device is really dead :( | 03:15 |
| zakm | i was just using it | 03:15 |
| zakm | on gba emulation | 03:15 |
| zakm | trying it out? | 03:15 |
| zakm | the visualboyadvance from repo | 03:15 |
| zakm | pllayed a game.. rebooted it | 03:15 |
| zakm | and now its a brick? | 03:15 |
| Navi | all rightee | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:17 |
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| KotCzarny | if it responds to flasher try different os? | 03:17 |
| Navi | reflashed with the latest microb-engine svn installed :/ | 03:17 |
| zakm | KotCzarny: you mean like 2008 mameo? | 03:18 |
| Navi | Anyone know any good JS benches? | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: anything | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:18 |
| zakm | dont have anything else | 03:18 |
| zakm | and only a 64mb rs-mmc? | 03:18 |
| zakm | im trying 2008 | 03:18 |
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| zakm | lcuk: know how to fix a recent WSOD? | 03:19 |
| lcuk | never personally seen one and hope i never do, nope sorry | 03:19 |
| zakm | omg any thoughts | 03:20 |
| zakm | i just bought it off ebay two weeks ago | 03:20 |
| zakm | so i have no warranty | 03:20 |
| zakm | and im broke financially now | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | from the article jott posted it looks like a hardware issue, device seems to boot | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | i would try reflashing with different os | 03:21 |
| jott | lcd controlled seems to be screwed up | 03:21 |
| zakm | yeah it boots and all | 03:21 |
| zakm | but nothing on screen | 03:21 |
| zakm | how? | 03:21 |
| zakm | i just rebooted it | 03:21 |
| zakm | nothing could've moved? | 03:21 |
| zakm | yeah i hear the bootup noise and all | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | lots of things move | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | even if you don't see it | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:21 |
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| zakm | could i open it up and try to fix? | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 03:22 |
| zakm | yeah if i press buttons the screen changes | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | but be aware that connectors are very delicate | 03:22 |
| zakm | its like blue and white | 03:22 |
| zakm | and when i click .. they like trade spots? | 03:22 |
| zakm | yeah | 03:23 |
| zakm | i can shut it off | 03:23 |
| zakm | its just the screen displaying is wrong | 03:23 |
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| zakm | Finishing flashing... done | 03:26 |
| zakm | Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown | 03:26 |
| zakm | ? | 03:26 |
| Navi | Can someone run the sunspider JS bench? | 03:26 |
| Navi | I want to compare numbers | 03:26 |
| jott | zakm: you could check at you local nokia site if your device still is under warranty (you just need the serial) | 03:27 |
| zakm | .. i bought it on ebay? | 03:29 |
| zakm | and the warranty finished like a week ago ( seller's warranty ) | 03:29 |
| jott | well check if nokia may still provides it | 03:29 |
| zakm | i think the person had it for long | 03:30 |
| jott | as manufacturer warranty might be longer | 03:30 |
| zakm | apparantly nokia's is one year | 03:30 |
| zakm | according to forum | 03:30 |
| zakm | and the person had it longer | 03:30 |
| jott | depends on the country/jurisdiction :) | 03:30 |
| zakm | im in Canada | 03:31 |
| jott | http://www.nokia.ca/A4485137 just give it a shot, the worse that can happen is a "No!" :/ | 03:33 |
| zakm | k thx | 03:34 |
| jott | ok a big laughing face and a finger pointing at you could make this more humiliating :P | 03:34 |
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| zakm | ? | 03:38 |
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| benh | somebody knows a place where I can order a pre-made USB "host" OTG cable for the n810 ? | 03:51 |
| benh | something I don't have to solder on to turn it into a host cable ? | 03:51 |
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| tank-man | i saw one advertisted in a thread on the internettabletforum | 03:56 |
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| benh | tank-man: you have an url to the forum ? | 03:57 |
| tank-man | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 03:58 |
| benh | thx | 03:58 |
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| Edgester | hi, anyone here? | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never. | 04:13 |
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| Edgester | Anyone compiled the maemo kernel for intel? | 04:21 |
| KotCzarny | what's the point? | 04:21 |
| Edgester | so I can compile the recommended i386 package for maemo-extras | 04:22 |
| Edgester | for openafs | 04:22 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 04:22 |
| KotCzarny | i still don't get it | 04:23 |
| Edgester | In order to upload to maemo extras, I should compile armel & i386 packages | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 04:23 |
| Edgester | openafs requires a kernel module, ergo, I need arm & i386 maemo kernels | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | there is such requirement? | 04:24 |
| Edgester | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 04:26 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 04:26 |
| Edgester | if there is no such requirement,then I've been wasting time | 04:26 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried ignoring it? | 04:27 |
| Edgester | no | 04:27 |
| KotCzarny | that will be the first thing i would do | 04:27 |
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| lcdd | i just wasted 1,5 hours with amarok which never managed to build the collection | 04:29 |
| lcdd | media libraries are so fun | 04:30 |
| Edgester | I'll try ignoring it | 04:30 |
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| lopz | mmm how -> impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd | 04:53 |
| lopz | :S | 04:53 |
| lopz | in n800 | 04:53 |
| shackan | what? | 04:54 |
| lopz | impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd in my n800 shackan | 04:54 |
| lopz | when I connect through the usb pc | 04:55 |
| shackan | what does that mean? | 04:55 |
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| MrDowntempo_ | xchat | 04:55 |
| MrDowntempo_ | oops ;-) | 04:56 |
| lopz | impossible to connect via USB, MC external in use shackan | 04:56 |
| lopz | my english is bad, sorry xD | 04:56 |
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| lopz | any ideas ? | 05:02 |
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| MajMin7 | hello | 06:14 |
| MajMin7 | Is anyone around? | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MicroB svn: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677#post178677 | 06:30 |
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| Navi | OMG EET BREEKED MAH TABLET | 06:47 |
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| Navi | Totally a virus | 06:51 |
| n800n | seriously? | 06:51 |
| Navi | no | 06:51 |
| Navi | >_> | 06:52 |
| n800n | that warning really really worked on me | 06:53 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: bah, that guy's taking the fun out of me writing release notes | 06:53 |
| n800n | not doing it before backup | 06:53 |
| Navi | timely, yeah, that guy is STUPID | 06:54 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: fwiw, there's a file i wrote somewhere that suggests how to generate packages for things for which you don't have debs | 06:54 |
| * Navi hides | 06:54 | |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles! :P | 06:54 |
| timely | Navi: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 06:54 |
| timely | Navi: anyway, feel free to try using that to make your own debs of the things for which you don't have debs | 06:55 |
| Navi | Ehehe | 06:55 |
| Navi | I just write my own control scripts | 06:55 |
| Navi | It was torture to learn, so might as well | 06:56 |
| timely | Navi: for the os shipped packages that don't have debs? | 06:56 |
| Navi | Oh | 06:56 |
| Navi | kk :D | 06:56 |
| timely | working for nokia, i could just grab the debs from the server at work | 06:56 |
| timely | but that's no fun | 06:56 |
| Navi | Yeah, I reflashed 'cuz I didn't have that stuff. | 06:56 |
| timely | anyway, have a read | 06:57 |
| Navi | I was pretty angry, but the payoff was all right | 06:57 |
| Navi | Better browsing experience | 06:57 |
| timely | keep in mind that you almost certainly can't redistribute the .deb's you'd generate in this manner | 06:57 |
| timely | but otherwise you can basically safely break and unbreak the device | 06:57 |
| timely | because you can reinstall any deb from the original system | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, timely, rm_you. :) | 06:57 |
| Navi | You guys did nicely on the engine | 06:57 |
| timely | thanks | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got the shirt last week, timely. Pure win. :D | 06:58 |
| timely | :) | 06:58 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: got my n800 sort of working again :) | 06:58 |
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| timely | fwiw, next week i'm starting to write the release notes | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much soldering did you have to do? | 06:58 |
| Navi | timely, sorry to spoil your fun :( | 06:58 |
| Navi | Woo, release notes | 06:58 |
| Navi | Those are awesome | 06:58 |
| timely | this week i'm trying to finish off an arch doc from last year that got sidelined | 06:58 |
| timely | Navi: they're so time consuming | 06:58 |
| timely | i presume you've read the older ones and the corresponding changelogs? | 06:59 |
| Navi | Indeed, I read through all of them | 06:59 |
| Navi | It's a time killer | 06:59 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i took it apart and played with stuff | 06:59 |
| rm_you | i think it is just bas flash memory tho | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now it just works? | 06:59 |
| * timely nods | 06:59 | |
| rm_you | i did a reflash | 06:59 |
| timely | it really does take weeks to convert those things into human readable text :( | 07:00 |
| Navi | plus, I feel it's like an obligation | 07:00 |
| rm_you | i think it just gets corrupted after a little bit | 07:00 |
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| Navi | devs work hard on it | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 07:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I had a really great idea for adv-backlight last week, but now I've completely forgotten it. :< | 07:00 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:00 |
| timely | heh | 07:00 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: >_< | 07:00 |
| Navi | usuk dood | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You ever get around to getting it in Extras? | 07:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I think you have access to the bugtracker / whatever on garage | 07:01 |
| Navi | still wasn't in there, last I checked | 07:01 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no >_>_ | 07:01 |
| Navi | I'm too lazy to get on ITT and grab it from there | 07:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i still have no idea wtf is going on with that | 07:01 |
| rm_you | no one ever responded to my emails | 07:01 |
| Navi | It's not like I change the backlight anyways | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug X-Fade | 07:01 |
| timely | Navi: anyway, i'd like to know if those scripts actually work for someone | 07:02 |
| Navi | Oh, I'll give it a go in a sec | 07:02 |
| rm_you | anyways, i'll be working on it again after finals | 07:02 |
| timely | i wrote them for myself a while ago | 07:02 |
| timely | when i wanted to install the beta browser on an older os release | 07:02 |
| Navi | heh | 07:03 |
| Navi | I removed a huge amount of things on my second reflash | 07:04 |
| timely | packages you don't like? | 07:04 |
| Navi | Yeah | 07:04 |
| timely | like the content indexer? :) | 07:04 |
| Navi | I kept that | 07:04 |
| timely | aww | 07:04 |
| timely | speaking of which | 07:04 |
| timely | i should write a package that replaces it | 07:04 |
| timely | unless someone else already has | 07:04 |
| Navi | I just removed small stuff like sketch, pdf reader, notes, etc etc | 07:05 |
| lcdd | GeneralAntilles: it would be nice if the backlight dialog went away by poking anywhere on the screen. close when losing focus? | 07:05 |
| timely | it should be simple... main () { register_for_sigs; while(1) { sleep(1000000); } return 0; } | 07:05 |
| Navi | I didn't really mind having them there, it's just annoying that they're taking menu space | 07:05 |
| timely | heh | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | A consequence of the container, lcdd. | 07:05 |
| timely | you can move them to some other part of the menu... | 07:05 |
| Navi | I know | 07:05 |
| lcdd | GeneralAntilles: no way around it? | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody figure out how Nokia gets those sliders in their default applets. . . . | 07:06 |
| Navi | but I don't like having to scroll in the menu | 07:06 |
| timely | ? | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you ran into a wall trying to figure it out. | 07:06 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: which sliders? | 07:06 |
| lcdd | hmm. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ones for backlight and volume applets | 07:06 |
| rm_you | it's like... Nokia's most closely guarded secret | 07:07 |
| rm_you | wtf container they use for their sliders | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:07 |
| Navi | I had more than 6x6 desktop files, so there were too many menu entries | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they gave that up, then Apple would win, rm_you. :D | 07:07 |
| Navi | s/6x6/36/ | 07:07 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I had more than 36 desktop files, so there were too many menu entries | 07:07 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:07 |
| timely | isn't that something you can figure out by tapping the gtk libs? | 07:07 |
| rm_you | it's sooo stupid. | 07:07 |
| rm_you | timely: no | 07:08 |
| timely | why not? | 07:08 |
| timely | gtk has create_object and set_parent or something | 07:08 |
| timely | create object should let you get an object name | 07:08 |
| rm_you | timely: I spent more than 24 hours over the course of a week or two trying to find out what container their stock backlight/sound apps use | 07:08 |
| timely | rm_you: brother. i'll look today | 07:08 |
| rm_you | :P | 07:08 |
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| rm_you | i have NO idea why the BACKLIGHT APPLICATION is closed source. i mean... seriously :P | 07:09 |
| MajMin7_ | hey.. can anyone offer some advice about installing the environment for the N810 | 07:09 |
| MajMin7_ | I'm stuck | 07:09 |
| MajMin7_ | the instructions that I find aren't really helping much | 07:09 |
| timely | rm_you: for starters, there's a default of writing closed source | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I talked Khertan into writing up a Home applet for the light-meter output. ;) | 07:10 |
| timely | you have to spend significant effort trying to get approval to open source | 07:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: :P | 07:10 |
| rm_you | ah :/ | 07:10 |
| Navi | I figured that was the way things went | 07:10 |
| rm_you | I guess that makes sense... It isn't ideal, but it makes sense : | 07:10 |
| rm_you | :/ | 07:10 |
| Navi | My Intermediate C professor told me about his buddy | 07:11 |
| Navi | He "leaked" three lines of code | 07:11 |
| Navi | leaked being using three lines of code as an example to someone | 07:11 |
| timely | there are various things that have to be considered | 07:11 |
| Navi | and he had to write a long report on why those three lines are insignificant | 07:11 |
| timely | someone has to ask "is there a business case" | 07:12 |
| timely | someone has to ask "are you sure there isn't some IPR that we're trying to protect elsewhere" | 07:12 |
| timely | ... | 07:12 |
| timely | it's painful | 07:12 |
| timely | and sadly rewriting code seems to be something that people are willing to pay for | 07:12 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what's the name of the binary backlight-applet package? | 07:12 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:13 |
| timely | so the standard "the community will maintain it and save us money" explanation doesn't hold | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno off-hand, rm_you. | 07:13 |
| Navi | Gets jobs for developers :D | 07:13 |
| rm_you | k, i'll look it up | 07:13 |
| timely | dpkg -S / dpkg -L are my friends? | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | timely, any chance whether you could comment on whether SSU will bring us more frequent MicroB updates? ;) | 07:15 |
| timely | i can't comment on SSU | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, damn. | 07:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to crossing his fingers. | 07:15 | |
| timely | afaik the goal is to use SSU for future updates | 07:15 |
| timely | i had actually hoped to use SSU last year | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I recall. | 07:16 |
| timely | (or at least the repository system) to push a browser update | 07:16 |
| timely | my understanding is that w/ diablo SSU is really theoretically ready | 07:16 |
| timely | sadly the SSU people bugged us just last week about problems | 07:17 |
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| timely | and they were strange things like "your package breaks recovery mode" | 07:17 |
| timely | to which we asked "why were you in recovery mode" | 07:17 |
| timely | they didn't have an answer for that | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | :\ | 07:17 |
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| timely | that stuff is basically one state mess | 07:18 |
| timely | our packages use gconf | 07:18 |
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| Navi | Mmm | 07:18 |
| timely | but in recovery mode, gconf isn't running | 07:18 |
| Navi | You guys and your buzzwords :D | 07:18 |
| timely | but afaiu recovery mode needs to be able to recover really low levels of the system | 07:18 |
| timely | including things before gconf | 07:18 |
| timely | so they simply can't just "start gconf" before recovering | 07:18 |
| timely | oh, i have no clue what recovery mode is | 07:18 |
| timely | all i can tell is that it's some mode where most of the platform isn't running | 07:19 |
| timely | SSU is system software update | 07:19 |
| timely | or if it isn't, it's something like that | 07:19 |
| timely | maybe it's seamless software update? | 07:19 |
| timely | it's generally like windows update | 07:19 |
| timely | you get an indicator light in the notification area | 07:19 |
| timely | it tells you what's available for updating | 07:19 |
| timely | you choose to take the update, it downloads it, and installs on the fly | 07:19 |
| timely | don't ask me about reboot stories, my guess is that enough stuff changes you'd need *one* | 07:20 |
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| * timely goes back to reading spam | 07:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Seamless Software Update | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least according to the press release | 07:21 |
| Navi | Spam is awesome | 07:21 |
| timely | i'd make a joke about healthy breakfasts, but spam isn't kosher | 07:21 |
| Navi | Haha :D | 07:21 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: glad to see someone reads the press releases | 07:25 |
| timely | i'm really annoyed that the maemo-developers@ people don't | 07:25 |
| timely | is it really that hard to understand that diablo is *not* a new os? | 07:25 |
| Navi | ZOMG, Diablo = Ubuntu??? | 07:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:26 |
| timely | Navi: how are those scripts doing? :) | 07:26 |
| Navi | Hey, was there the underlining of misspelled words in the microb-engine on chinook | 07:26 |
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| Navi | Oops :D | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't think most of those people had an issue with understanding that it's a dot release | 07:26 |
| Navi | I'll do that now | 07:26 |
| n800n | is there a way to make the status bar longer soit fits more? | 07:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I just think there may have been some higher expectations regarding dot releases based on previous experience. | 07:27 |
| timely | n800n: the theming is kinda designed assuming a certain widget | 07:27 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: i'll need to recheck what changed between chinook and its predecessor | 07:27 |
| timely | and if you think our buzzwords are bad. keep in mind that i don't remember the public name of the thing before chinook | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Between Chinook and Bora? A lot. :P | 07:28 |
| n800n | i hate having to decide between statusbar clock and loadapplet. | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably the most yet. | 07:28 |
| timely | n800n: in theory i think enough of hildon-desktop is open | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the .0/.1/.2 changes have usually been a little bit bigger than "minor". | 07:29 |
| timely | that you could rewrite it to have more space | 07:29 |
| n800n | no complaints | 07:29 |
| timely | n800n: btw, what are the other ones you're using? | 07:29 |
| timely | because iirc you have 5 slots + overflow | 07:29 |
| timely | which means you have 3 others ... | 07:29 |
| n800n | default ones | 07:30 |
| n800n | excep xchat i guess | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recall alterego working on a theme-based solution for more statusbar applets, but I don't know if he got anywhere. | 07:30 |
| n800n | sb clock takes double the space | 07:30 |
| timely | ah | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | n800n, get advance backlight and kill the backlight and volume ones. ;) | 07:30 |
| timely | ok, but do you use/need wifi? | 07:30 |
| timely | do you use/need battery? | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn off xchat, too | 07:31 |
| timely | do you use/need presence? | 07:31 |
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| n800n | stopt making fun of mr | 07:31 |
| n800n | me | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Highlights show in the notifications area, anyway. | 07:31 |
| timely | you can reorder those to the overflow section | 07:31 |
| n800n | yeah | 07:31 |
| rm_you | our main recommendation is advanced-backlight applet :P | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^^ | 07:32 |
| n800n | safe? | 07:32 |
| * timely pokes Navi | 07:32 | |
| Navi | ? | 07:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles loves being able to read at night. | 07:32 | |
| timely | how's the script? :) | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfectly, n800n. | 07:32 |
| timely | or how are the debs, whichever | 07:32 |
| n800n | ok | 07:32 |
| MajMin7_ | can anyone help me with maemo/scratchbox installation? | 07:33 |
| n800n | got a deb link? | 07:33 |
| Navi | timely, yeah, I decided to install ssh first | 07:33 |
| MajMin7_ | whats the best readme? | 07:33 |
| timely | you don't have ssh? oops | 07:33 |
| Navi | about to run the script | 07:33 |
| rm_you | n800n: adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org i think? | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember, he nuked his system screwing with things he shouldn't have? :P | 07:33 |
| n800n | ty | 07:33 |
| timely | sadly ssh+sshd are part of the r&d images we use, and i always install them first on my release images, so i don't remember if they aren't standard :) | 07:33 |
| Navi | timely, oh yeah, I already installed the browser packages and stuff | 07:34 |
| Navi | should it still work? | 07:34 |
| timely | Navi: the scripts are more for making a generic deb for something for which you don't have a deb | 07:34 |
| Navi | mmk | 07:34 |
| timely | you're not trying to actually install this old browser | 07:34 |
| timely | that'd be kinda silly :) | 07:34 |
| timely | i'm just suggesting that you try to use it to make debs for any / all packages for which you don't have debs | 07:35 |
| timely | e.g. the ones you mentioned | 07:35 |
| timely | i don't remember how comprehensive the script is, i think it's even possible to grab postinst/preinst files from the dpkg staging area if you're really greedy | 07:36 |
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| timely | hi dougt | 07:37 |
| dougt | timely: how are you doing? | 07:37 |
| Navi | weird | 07:37 |
| Navi | errors | 07:37 |
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| timely | pretty good. this week i'm doing architecture documentation. next week i start writing browser release notes (i hope) | 07:37 |
| timely | Navi: pastebin.mozilla.org | 07:37 |
| n800n | this is smart | 07:37 |
| n800n | ty | 07:38 |
| timely | you have <10mins before my network flakes | 07:38 |
| Navi | kk | 07:38 |
| timely | in ~100mins i'll probably only be on irc.mozilla.org (join #foxymonkies and ask someone how to find me) | 07:38 |
| Navi | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/424613 | 07:38 |
| timely | oh | 07:39 |
| timely | that's not really a script to run | 07:39 |
| Navi | >_> | 07:39 |
| timely | that's for reading :) | 07:39 |
| Navi | zomgnoautomization? | 07:39 |
| timely | the automation wouldn't get you the packages you want anyway :) | 07:39 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:40 |
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| timely | # this is run on a device running 4.2007 | 07:40 |
| timely | read around there | 07:40 |
| timely | i think the .sh files are actually in the same directory | 07:41 |
| timely | so you can just download them instead of copying the code to generate them out of the web page | 07:41 |
| Navi | "note that the resultant debian packages are probably not legally distributable" | 07:42 |
| Navi | Lol | 07:42 |
| timely | you're not distributing them, just using them to put files back onto your own device | 07:42 |
| Navi | I know | 07:42 |
| Navi | But I like the "probably" | 07:42 |
| timely | but actually, the legalese for updates is really strange | 07:42 |
| timely | my reading is basically if you own two n800s, you can only update one of them :) | 07:43 |
| timely | IANAL | 07:43 |
| Navi | >_> | 07:43 |
| Navi | Lol | 07:43 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you hear that? | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:43 |
| Navi | Ah damn, no perl | 07:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll do what I damn well please with my own devices tyvm | 07:44 |
| timely | Navi: eww | 07:44 |
| Navi | Unless it comes with it? | 07:44 |
| timely | GeneralAntilles: be my guest | 07:44 |
| n800n | ok something really weird with adv backlight | 07:44 |
| timely | Navi: iirc i had the scripts in two pieces | 07:44 |
| lopz | night | 07:44 |
| timely | the pieces that ran on the device which were /bin/sh | 07:45 |
| Navi | Confusing O_o | 07:45 |
| timely | and the pieces to run in scratchbox, which were perl | 07:45 |
| timely | Navi: the microb-3.2007 file explained it ! | 07:45 |
| Navi | Hehe | 07:45 |
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| timely | for someone willing to read changelogs, you seem really unwilling to read afile that's <100 lines | 07:46 |
| Navi | I'm tired :D | 07:46 |
| Navi | Changelogs are totally restroom reading material | 07:46 |
| * timely woke up to finnish news | 07:46 | |
| timely | heh | 07:46 |
| n800n | my status bar is reset, adv-bl is gone | 07:47 |
| timely | well, sleep on it, and try it when you aren't asleep | 07:47 |
| Navi | Nah, if I do, I won't be able to do anything about it 'till Friday | 07:48 |
| timely | heh | 07:48 |
| Navi | I shouldn't even be awake | 07:48 |
| timely | that'd be a problem. i'm relatively unreachable fridays (american time zone) | 07:48 |
| Navi | I have exams tomorrow morning >_> | 07:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | n800n, desktop crashed | 07:48 |
| timely | anyway, i'm about to be off | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try restarting. | 07:48 |
| Navi | k | 07:49 |
| Navi | See ya, timely | 07:49 |
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| timely | if you need me, dougt can help you find me on moznet | 07:49 |
| Navi | kk | 07:49 |
| dougt | Navi: it will cost. ;-) | 07:49 |
| Navi | I have an american penny | 07:49 |
| Navi | Will that do? | 07:50 |
| * timely marks a bugmail as not spam | 07:50 | |
| dougt | did you know that an american pennies' metal content is worth more than a penny? | 07:50 |
| Navi | Yep | 07:50 |
| dougt | same is true for my 770. | 07:51 |
| n800n | hah | 07:51 |
| Navi | ^_^ | 07:51 |
| n800n | are you steve jobs? | 07:52 |
| Navi | That was pretty lame, lol | 07:52 |
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| n800n | k adv backlight thumbs way up for the control | 07:54 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 07:54 |
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| n800n | it flickers a bit on very low light | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Charger in? | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It only does it a little for me when I have the charger in on the lowest 4 levels | 08:01 |
| n800n | yeh in | 08:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Try taking it out. ;) | 08:03 |
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| n800n | still, on the lowest 3 i think | 08:04 |
| n800n | it's ok tho | 08:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It may get better with time | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | My second N800 did it for a bit | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then stopped. | 08:06 |
| n800n | it's a hardware thing | 08:06 |
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| AsiQ | Hey there, I'm running HE2007, and trying to install gizmo for n800, it says that i'm missing some libs, is there a way to update those libs? tnx | 08:57 |
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| gpd | If anyone has a working scratchbox / build environment for chinook - I would be super grateful if you could compile an armel.deb of unison 2.27 | 10:49 |
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| * timeless looks around | 10:50 | |
| gpd | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/unison | 10:50 |
| timeless | is this thing on? :) | 10:50 |
| gpd | sorry: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/unison that one | 10:50 |
| gpd | anyway - shot in the dark - but some kind soul may be listening | 10:51 |
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| gpd | I compiled unison for bora without problems - but no build env atm. :( | 10:51 |
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| timeless | rm_you: how's life? | 11:07 |
| rm_you | heh | 11:07 |
| rm_you | Javascript? >_> | 11:07 |
| timeless | well, i can't very much copy the code as written | 11:08 |
| timeless | so what i gave you was pseudo | 11:08 |
| rm_you | truth | 11:08 |
| rm_you | :P | 11:08 |
| timeless | that it happens to resemble a language i speak. well... | 11:08 |
| rm_you | ok well.... | 11:15 |
| rm_you | did you see exactly what type of Gtk container it is? | 11:15 |
| rm_you | i don't see that here | 11:16 |
| rm_you | it has a vbox, but that's just a layout container... | 11:16 |
| gpd | don't suppose either of you has a build environment and a spare few minutes :)? | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | gpd: what do you need compiled? | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | if it doesn't require many deps i can try | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | (before i go to sleep) | 11:27 |
| gpd | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/unison | 11:28 |
| gpd | KotCzarny: unison version 2.27.57 | 11:29 |
| gpd | it is not compatible with the 2.13 series that is on maemo :( | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | no debian version? | 11:29 |
| gpd | maybe in unstable - | 11:29 |
| gpd | no - seemingly still 2.13 in etch :( | 11:29 |
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| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/unison this one? | 11:30 |
| gpd | doubt if there is much difference | 11:30 |
| gpd | ah - yes - perfect! | 11:30 |
| gpd | hmm - there is armel in there anyway - don't suppose those work... | 11:30 |
| timeless | well, that's where i got lost | 11:31 |
| gpd | have to run - but back in 10 minutes :) | 11:31 |
| timeless | it went through the gtk class macro maze | 11:31 |
| timeless | i don't really speak gobject/gtk macro maze | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | gpd: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: ocaml-nox (>= 3.10.0-8) liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev (>= 2.6.0-13) chrpath librsvg2-bin (>= 2.18.2) imagemagick | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | crazy deps required | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | more than 5 minutes of work, so i'm off to bed | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:33 |
| timeless | the soundwindow claims to come from gtkwindow | 11:33 |
| timeless | ok, i should have looked at the other thing | 11:34 |
| timeless | it's a "statusbar-item" | 11:35 |
| timeless | the only thing they do w/ it is position it, move it, and realize it | 11:36 |
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| timeless | sorry. there really doesn't seem to be anything else interesting here | 11:37 |
| timeless | oh yes, statusbar-item is defined in hildon-desktop | 11:38 |
| timeless | so that's probably the key you want/need :) | 11:38 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/search?string=statusbar-item&find=hildon.*desktop | 11:39 |
| timeless | hrm, although oddly, that doesn't actually have a string by that nmae | 11:40 |
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| timeless | or not | 11:43 |
| * timeless shrugs | 11:43 | |
| timeless | Tempt has changed the topic on channel #opensolaris to OpenSolaris 2008.05 discussion in #os200805 ... | 11:43 |
| timeless | boy it's really confusing for two channels to talk about os2008.. | 11:43 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:43 |
| timeless | yeah, sorry, that is the key | 11:44 |
| timeless | the statusbar item it has is derived from the normal StatusbarItem I pointed to | 11:44 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:44 |
| timeless | it just has a couple of other bits | 11:44 |
| rm_you | looking into statusbad-item now | 11:47 |
| rm_you | err | 11:47 |
| rm_you | *statusbar | 11:47 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 11:49 |
| rm_you | i completely fail at finding any reference to that in the APIs | 11:50 |
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| rm_you | is there supposed to be... like... something here? http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/api-bora/maemo-af-desktop-api/index.html | 11:56 |
| rm_you | apparently these APIs are from Bora >_> | 11:56 |
| rm_you | oooo | 11:58 |
| * rm_you tests | 11:58 | |
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| gpd | KotCzarny: thanks for trying | 11:59 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 12:02 |
| rm_you | don't suppose there's any better documentation for this ANYWHERE? | 12:03 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/StatusbarItem.html | 12:03 |
| rm_you | i guess I can just read the header :/ | 12:03 |
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| trickie_ | hrw: sorry haven't been near my dev setup to test those modules yet | 12:18 |
| trickie_ | hrw: will try to get to it tonight | 12:18 |
| hrw | trickie_: ok | 12:18 |
| hrw | morning all btw | 12:18 |
| trickie_ | morning :) | 12:18 |
| timeless | i did a quick check and couldn't find any consumers | 12:19 |
| timeless | (public) | 12:19 |
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| Saviq | Hi all, I'm trying to install the os2008pl translation package, it installs fine, but what do i do to enable it, do I change the locales? | 12:27 |
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| jldiaz | hi | 12:36 |
| jldiaz | how can I reinstall the core version of osso-xterm (chinook)? | 12:37 |
| jldiaz | I installed recently a newer version, from a .deb that jott prepared from the latest svn snapshot | 12:37 |
| jldiaz | but I want to downgrade it again to the original version, for testing purposes | 12:37 |
| timeless | so... | 12:39 |
| timeless | if you hadn't first upgraded, you could have tried a script i tried to coerce someone else earlier into testing | 12:40 |
| timeless | which in theory enables you to build .deb's based on installed software | 12:40 |
| AStorm | jldiaz: the unse dpkg | 12:40 |
| AStorm | *then use | 12:40 |
| timeless | then you could have used dpkg -i to force downgrade | 12:40 |
| timeless | astorm: that only works if you have an original deb | 12:40 |
| timeless | nokia software is generally missing the debs | 12:41 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:41 |
| AStorm | hmmm, fqil | 12:41 |
| timeless | for reasons which are beyond my ability to explain | 12:41 |
| AStorm | fail | 12:41 |
| timeless | anyway, if you're intersted in the script | 12:41 |
| AStorm | someone would have to package the original | 12:41 |
| AStorm | btw, I've a tiny problem with evince | 12:41 |
| AStorm | its mime association doesn't open the file | 12:42 |
| AStorm | just launches it | 12:42 |
| AStorm | how to fix that? | 12:42 |
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| jldiaz | sorry, I had to leave for a while. Back again | 13:13 |
| jldiaz | so, that was actually my question.. where can I obtain the .deb of the original version? | 13:14 |
| timeless | sorry, what i was saying is that http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 13:14 |
| timeless | has instructions for how to build your own deb from the flashed image | 13:14 |
| timeless | *before* you go ruining the image by installing new debs | 13:15 |
| jldiaz | oh | 13:15 |
| timeless | note that the url is a set of instructions based on doing it for another task | 13:15 |
| timeless | and please read the content, there are some fairly important disclaimers | 13:15 |
| jldiaz | can it be done from a image file of the flash? | 13:15 |
| timeless | as long as you can mount the file? sure | 13:15 |
| jldiaz | it has to be run "on-tablet"? | 13:16 |
| timeless | it'd take a wee bit more work | 13:16 |
| timeless | half of it needs to be done on a file system which has the files from the tablet as they were | 13:16 |
| timeless | the other half needs to be done in a place where you have dpkg-deb | 13:16 |
| timeless | and my version uses perl for the second half | 13:16 |
| jldiaz | oh, well, perhaps I can simply mount the image file on ubuntu, browse and find the osso-xterm executable and copy it to the tablet | 13:16 |
| timeless | although you could change how it's written | 13:16 |
| timeless | anyway, it'd be nice if *someone* read the url and tried the process :) | 13:17 |
| jldiaz | yes :) Thank you for the effort of writing that | 13:17 |
| timeless | note that the dpkg commands do support altroot, but you'd need to change the scripts to pass that flag, | 13:17 |
| timeless | for some scripts i write, i heavily rely on alt root | 13:18 |
| jldiaz | I'm afraid that those concepts are beyond my current understanding | 13:18 |
| timeless | for this one, i was using real devices, so i didn't :) | 13:18 |
| timeless | http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ | 13:19 |
| timeless | --root=dir | 13:19 |
| timeless | view-source:http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/do-dpkg.sh | 13:19 |
| jldiaz | oh, you are in the microb team? | 13:20 |
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| jldiaz | What is your opinion about the supposed faster speed of firefox3? I'm specially interested in faster javascript execution, because I would like to use TiddlyWiki on tablet, and it is a heavy javascripter | 13:23 |
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| jldiaz | currently, tiddilywiki works, but it is too slow to be useable | 13:23 |
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| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ | 13:24 |
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| timeless | i suppose i could write an entry explaining speed | 13:24 |
| timeless | i just haven't considered it a good use of my time | 13:24 |
| timeless | the short answer is that microb is based on mozilla1.9a1 | 13:24 |
| timeless | fennec is based on mozilla1.9b5 | 13:24 |
| timeless | a large amount of js perf work has been done between the two (over the course of about a year) | 13:25 |
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| timeless | you can run fennec on xulrunner gtk2-cairo today | 13:25 |
| timeless | and the general rendering perf will be slower/worse than microb | 13:25 |
| timeless | this is according to an unbiased user here | 13:26 |
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| timeless | now, if all you care about is javascript performance and not responsiveness, then be my guest, use fennec | 13:26 |
| timeless | if you want a customizable/ evolving ui, use fennec | 13:26 |
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| timeless | keep in mind that i'm also a mozilla contributor. i like mozilla. i want to see it succeed | 13:27 |
| jldiaz | I guess I can have both installed, and use fennec for tiddlywiki and microb for general browsing | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Yep, javascript may be faster. But rendering feels a lot slower in Fennec. (Probably because of the kinetic scrolling) | 13:27 |
| timeless | but if you want a fast browsing experience, you won't really find that in fennec today | 13:27 |
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| pupnik | Is there 'noscript' plugin available for tablets? | 13:27 |
| timeless | the embedding guys are working on that | 13:27 |
| timeless | i sent the noscript dev a tablet asking him to work on it | 13:27 |
| timeless | he got sidetracked | 13:27 |
| timeless | he's had his tablet for probably more than 6months :( | 13:28 |
| pupnik | boo for him | 13:28 |
| timeless | i was hoping to blog about that when it happened | 13:28 |
| timeless | please don't make too much of a show about it, a tablet is nice, but being able to put food on the table is more important | 13:28 |
| timeless | so is satisfying a significant other | 13:28 |
| pupnik | ? i don't | 13:28 |
| timeless | in his case, that involved taking her on a honeymoon iirc | 13:28 |
| timeless | but yeah, i was hoping to have him port noscript months ago | 13:29 |
| pupnik | does this mean it's not a simple compile under scratchbox then? | 13:29 |
| timeless | correct | 13:29 |
| timeless | since there's no c++ to begin w/ | 13:29 |
| timeless | noscript is xul+xbl | 13:30 |
| timeless | and microb doesn't have xul | 13:30 |
| timeless | basically the entire ui needs to be reworked | 13:30 |
| timeless | i think he actually did get part way through it | 13:30 |
| pupnik | ok | 13:30 |
| jldiaz | there are instructions somewhere about running fennec on OS2008? I'm googling and reading about comparatives, but not about how can it be done | 13:30 |
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| timeless | you could contact him by email and ask if you could help | 13:30 |
| pupnik | hahaha | 13:30 |
| timeless | jldiaz: there's a blog from vlad iirc on it | 13:31 |
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| timeless | the short thing is that | 13:31 |
| timeless | 1. get xulrunner | 13:31 |
| timeless | 2. download fennec (there are choices for how you do this) | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | jldiaz: There is a link for a deb somewhere. | 13:31 |
| timeless | 3. move fennec to the device | 13:31 |
| timeless | 4. follow instructions for running fennec | 13:31 |
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| timeless | i did it in <10mins on an n800 using the n800's terminal | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | jldiaz: http://people.mozilla.org/~vladimir/fennec.install | 13:32 |
| timeless | and no, i didn't rely on my knowledge of mozilla | 13:32 |
| timeless | as i don't actually use xulrunner much | 13:32 |
| jldiaz | thanks for the info! | 13:32 |
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| jldiaz | I'll try | 13:32 |
| timeless | anyway, i hope that was enough of an explanation about microb v. xulrunner | 13:32 |
| timeless | they're of course working on improving the perf of xulrunner | 13:33 |
| timeless | we're working to make a future (post diablo) version of microb that's a lot faster than today's microb | 13:33 |
| timeless | it should be done before 2010 | 13:33 |
| timeless | but i don't want people to hold me to that date | 13:33 |
| timeless | since i am timeless, which means i have no control over dates or interest in them at all really :) | 13:34 |
| jldiaz | :) | 13:34 |
| dneary | hi there | 13:34 |
| dneary | timeless: You're Josh, right? | 13:34 |
| timeless | actually ideally it'd be before 2010, but i'm pretty sure you'll eventually learn that i like | 13:35 |
| timeless | dneary: yep | 13:35 |
| timeless | nice to meet you (kinda) | 13:35 |
| jldiaz | a last question... can I run the fennec.install provided by vladimir without ruining microb or other settings? | 13:35 |
| jldiaz | i.e: it is reversible the installation? | 13:35 |
| dneary | timeless: I was just wondering where you fit into the decision on the platform for Diabolo | 13:35 |
| timeless | no control :) | 13:35 |
| timeless | i barely got notice about what would or wouldn't be in | 13:35 |
| timeless | we did get enough of a head up many moons ago that glib wasn't being changed | 13:35 |
| timeless | and i made that perfectly clear many moons ago on that list | 13:35 |
| dneary | timeless: Ah, OK. The way you were talking, it sounded like you'd made the decisions. | 13:36 |
| timeless | sorry. | 13:36 |
| timeless | i have no control over anything | 13:36 |
| timeless | even my own team doesn't listen to me | 13:36 |
| timeless | eventually they tend to do what i suggest | 13:36 |
| timeless | but i don't get credit because i suggest it long before someone decides to do something similar | 13:36 |
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| lardman | timeless: Oh, you're Josh; bloody irc nicks, make things too complicated | 13:37 |
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| timeless | most of the mozilla community doesn't know that | 13:38 |
| timeless | so don't get too down | 13:38 |
| lardman | :) | 13:38 |
| lardman | I just emailed you back | 13:38 |
| timeless | i generally try to keep my | 13:38 |
| timeless | simon? | 13:38 |
| timeless | i'm replying.. | 13:38 |
| lardman | so you have the same problem ;D | 13:38 |
| lardman | yes | 13:38 |
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| timeless | i think in your case it may have been mentioned once before | 13:43 |
| timeless | personally i prefer to treat people as independent | 13:43 |
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| timeless | i don't have any reason to tie one to another | 13:43 |
| timeless | ideally each persona should get as much respect as it deserves | 13:44 |
| timeless | if i'm more helpful here | 13:44 |
| timeless | treat me differently, i don't mind | 13:44 |
| lardman | hmm, multiple personalities :) | 13:44 |
| timeless | i have a number | 13:44 |
| timeless | visit moznet and ask :) | 13:44 |
| lardman | more whether people know background to an issue, etc., I think anyway | 13:44 |
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| timeless | dneary: fwiw. i didn't expect you to have read every bug in bugs.maemo | 13:46 |
| timeless | or every thread in maemo-devel | 13:46 |
| timeless | the long posters in maemo-devel are different | 13:46 |
| timeless | if i remind them about something that was discussed eons ago, it's because they were given warning then | 13:46 |
| timeless | in as certain terms as a dev w/o a speaking license could give them | 13:47 |
| dneary | lardman = simon, timeless=Josh. | 13:47 |
| timeless | and wrt referencing marketing docs... | 13:47 |
| dneary | OK, Now I'm getting somewhere :) | 13:47 |
| dneary | I'm Dave, by the way ;) | 13:47 |
| timeless | dneary: but seriously, i do try | 13:47 |
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| timeless | you're also bolsh | 13:47 |
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| timeless | i do try to keep my real name away from my irc nick | 13:47 |
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| timeless | when i'm writing from nokia, i'm writing as an employee reminding people about what has already been said | 13:48 |
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| dneary | right, but I try to avoid that nick anywhere except on irc.gnome.org where I've had it for 10 years now | 13:48 |
| timeless | and describing in general how things are at nokia | 13:48 |
| timeless | when i'm here, i try to avoid that | 13:48 |
| dneary | So, you can help me with my "who's who" | 13:48 |
| timeless | while i'm around | 13:48 |
| dneary | So far I have the following, more or less: | 13:49 |
| dneary | Ari Jaaksi is the boss | 13:49 |
| timeless | fwiw this channel is logged | 13:49 |
| timeless | it's also googlable | 13:49 |
| timeless | as such, i'd rather you use email | 13:49 |
| timeless | pick an address | 13:49 |
| timeless | timeless@gmail or first.last@nokia | 13:49 |
| dneary | Under Ari, there is Carlos and Yannick, Carlos taking care of the software and Yannick the hardware | 13:49 |
| timeless | note that @gmail i don't have access to phone book | 13:49 |
| timeless | not sure which yannick, but afaik the yannick i know doesn't go near hardware | 13:50 |
| timeless | there was a yannick who basically ran applications | 13:50 |
| timeless | and carlos basically ran desktop (which is basically platform) | 13:50 |
| timeless | carlos may or may not have reported to yannick | 13:50 |
| timeless | he probably did | 13:50 |
| timeless | but they took down my org chart | 13:50 |
| timeless | and as i said, it hasn't been useful post reorg | 13:50 |
| timeless | as for who's directly under ari, i only knew that from the old org chart | 13:51 |
| timeless | and i generally avoid interacting w/ people above my pay grade | 13:51 |
| timeless | it's very hazardous to my health | 13:51 |
| timeless | i have a class in 10 mins, that lasts for 90mins | 13:51 |
| timeless | and i didn't do my homework | 13:51 |
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| dneary | yannick pellet | 13:55 |
| dneary | He ran applications? And Carlos is on the platform? | 13:55 |
| dneary | I was mixing them up then | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Carlos seems to do HAF? And is the QA contact for HAF at least. | 13:57 |
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| dneary | HAF? | 13:57 |
| dneary | Hildon Audio Framework? | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | Hildon Application Framework. | 13:58 |
| jldiaz | well.. the installation of fennec was smooth, but the program takes a eternity to load, and I don't see much improvement in speed when loading tiddlywiki | 13:58 |
| dneary | Ah - I was guessing | 13:58 |
| jldiaz | I'm thinking about uninstalling | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Close ;) | 13:58 |
| dneary | jldiaz: Try a bigger site | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | jldiaz: Try slashdot.org ;) | 13:58 |
| X-Fade | And enjoy the slideshow. | 13:59 |
| jldiaz | tiddlywiki is indeed a big deal | 13:59 |
| dneary | Not bigger as in more popular | 13:59 |
| dneary | Bigger as in more content | 13:59 |
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| jldiaz | and it was my main motivation for trying a browser different from microb | 13:59 |
| jldiaz | tiddlywiki is slow on n810, no matter what browser | 13:59 |
| jldiaz | in addition, I got installed "minefield". What is this? | 14:00 |
| johnx | another firefox based browser | 14:00 |
| johnx | have you tried midori? | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | jldiaz: You can also try a webkit based browser. I think the is a Midori port on itt. | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | heh.. | 14:00 |
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| jldiaz | fennec does not have any menu? how can I configure the proxy, change the text size, etc? | 14:02 |
| johnx | about:config maybe? | 14:04 |
| RST38h | fennec isn't even in beta, afaik | 14:06 |
| RST38h | it is alpha-quality package | 14:06 |
| RST38h | so you may be better off sticking with MicroB for now | 14:06 |
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| lardman | dneary: that format for the email ok? | 14:26 |
| dneary | lardman? | 14:26 |
| lardman | I just sent one to you & the list | 14:26 |
| dneary | Ah - lardman=Simon | 14:27 |
| dneary | Excuse me, I'm a little slow | 14:27 |
| lardman | yep | 14:27 |
| dneary | This stuff takes a while to sink in :) | 14:27 |
| lardman | I have the same issues with nicks, yours is great! | 14:27 |
| dneary | Thanks :) | 14:28 |
| dneary | I took up the suggestion of Karl Fogel a while ago, who said that a simple convention that meant that people would be recognisable by their nicks was good | 14:29 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe ;) | 14:31 |
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| dneary | X-Fade: You're Niels! | 14:32 |
| dneary | Didn't know that | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Now you know ;) | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | I at least have my realname set ;) | 14:32 |
| inz | I'm nobody! | 14:33 |
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| AsiQ | Hey there, I'm running HE2007, and trying to install gizmo for n800, it says that i'm missing some libs, is there a way to update those libs? tnx | 14:34 |
| johnx | AsiQ, what libs? | 14:34 |
| dneary | inz: You're Santy! | 14:35 |
| AsiQ | 1sec... | 14:35 |
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| AsiQ | johnx: its: lbatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libdbus-1-3... and the list keeps on going... | 14:37 |
| johnx | are you getting the version for OS2007 or OS2008? | 14:37 |
| johnx | also, is it saying those libs are missing or not the right version? | 14:37 |
| AsiQ | hmmm i'll check that.... | 14:38 |
| AsiQ | and it says that they are out of date | 14:38 |
| AsiQ | johnx: tnx man | 14:39 |
| johnx | I assume os2007he uses the same libc as os2007, though I'm not sure | 14:39 |
| johnx | first thing is to make sure you're trying to get the gizmo version for os2007 | 14:39 |
| AsiQ | i'm checking it now.... | 14:39 |
| AsiQ | OS: OS 2008 (Chinook)..... | 14:41 |
| AsiQ | i'll try to find os2007 version | 14:41 |
| johnx | yup, that's not gonna work for you unless you use OS2008HE :) | 14:41 |
| AsiQ | tried OS2008HE... too slow... | 14:41 |
| * johnx still thinks that using a framebuffer console on the n800 is like the funniest thing ever :) | 14:43 | |
| AsiQ | well johnx, tnx anyway.... | 14:46 |
| johnx | sure, there might be an OS2007 copy of gizmo lying around somewhere | 14:46 |
| johnx | have you searched on internettablettalk.com/forums ? | 14:46 |
| johnx | there's people over there still using os2007he | 14:46 |
| AsiQ | i have a working copy of gizmo for he2007 | 14:47 |
| johnx | ah, but you want the latest? | 14:48 |
| AsiQ | the problem is that when i try to do a call to a landline... it crashes | 14:48 |
| AsiQ | just thought that on v4 it wont crash.... | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | lardman, the request email is just about spot on :) hopefully we can get clarification of a few things | 15:14 |
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| lardman | lcuk: looks like some are already coming through | 15:18 |
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| trickie_ | one was me! | 15:21 |
| mrglinux | hi i have some question of nokia n800 with maemo OS ... i want to know does it have compiler..and can i compile c/c++/java program ?? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yer ive just seen | 15:21 |
| lardman | trickie_: who are you in real life then? | 15:21 |
| trickie_ | lardman: Nick | 15:22 |
| lardman | or did I miss that when we were discussing earlier | 15:22 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 15:22 |
| mrglinux | and does it have shell( bashe or ... )? | 15:22 |
| trickie_ | nah i haven't been paying attnetion here today | 15:22 |
| lcuk | mrglinux, do you mean compiling directly on the device, or is there a development environment and toolkit - not that it matters, either way yes you can use gcc set to armel both directly on the device and within scratchbox emulated env | 15:22 |
| trickie_ | and i cannot spell | 15:22 |
| johnx | mrglinux, you generally use scratchbox aka maemo sdk to compile, but you can install gcc onboard. it has ash for a shell. you can code in c or c++, and there is a kind of a beta java version | 15:22 |
| lardman | mrglinux: cross compiler and with some effort an on-device compiler I believe; yes it has a shell - ash iirc | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Well, the A-GPS thing is encouraging? :) | 15:22 |
| lardman | yes indeed | 15:23 |
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| lardman | it's just nice to know; saves the frustration; I'm feeling more relaxed already :) | 15:23 |
| mrglinux | excellent | 15:23 |
| lcuk | good lardman, we wouldnt like you being stressed :P | 15:24 |
| trickie_ | :) | 15:24 |
| lardman | :D | 15:24 |
| mrglinux | where can i see a complete list of applications and tools for os2007 ? | 15:25 |
| johnx | there is a no "one stop, complete list" | 15:25 |
| lcuk | there is nearly a complete list if you add all the general repos :) | 15:25 |
| mrglinux | hmm | 15:25 |
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| johnx | look at downloads.maemo.org , gronmayer.com/it (bora = os2007) and internettablettalk.com/forums | 15:26 |
| johnx | mrglinux, why OS2007 instead of OS2008? | 15:26 |
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| mrglinux | johnx because i can buy n800 just :P | 15:26 |
| johnx | mrglinux, OS2008 is officially available for the n800 | 15:26 |
| mrglinux | very good | 15:27 |
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| mrglinux | i find n810 with 375$ is it suitable ? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet_W0QQitemZ260236283582QQihZ016QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 15:29 |
| johnx | suitable? $375 is a pretty good price I think, but I haven't been keeping track | 15:29 |
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| mrglinux | johnx and fine a 290$ http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet_W0QQitemZ180238838057QQihZ008QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem is it orginal do you think? | 15:31 |
| johnx | I don't know! | 15:32 |
| johnx | there are many days left to bid. the price will probably go up. | 15:32 |
| mrglinux | hmm | 15:32 |
| johnx | I never use ebay so I have no idea | 15:33 |
| Jon | that's about half what it would cost in the UK I think | 15:33 |
| RST38h | Don't buy from EBay | 15:33 |
| RST38h | You will most likely regret it | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | look at the recently sold items to get a better guide to the final expected price. but buyer beware, second hand is never as good as having your own unwrapping | 15:34 |
| mrglinux | :-( why? RST38h do you suggest where? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | RST38h, johnx good advice, would read comments again +++++++++++++++ | 15:34 |
| RST38h | mrglinux: I suggest online stores (legitimate ones, not ebay) or retail | 15:35 |
| Jon | does anyone know how big the nokia 7710 stylus is? I'm thinking of buying some to use with my n800 | 15:35 |
| mrglinux | RST38h:how is amazon? | 15:35 |
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| henrique | hi, where can I find an review about three devices (n700, n800 and n810)? | 15:36 |
| henrique | also, I need the technical specs, does anyone knows where can I find it? | 15:37 |
| Jon | henrique: technical specs are no doubt on wikipedia | 15:37 |
| johnx | how technical? like CPU speeds? or circuit diagrams? | 15:37 |
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| henrique | CPU speeds, RAM and embedded features (like N810's GPS) | 15:38 |
| johnx | nokia.com | 15:38 |
| Jon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800#Specifications | 15:38 |
| henrique | right, but what about the n700 specs or reviews? | 15:39 |
| henrique | it seems too hard to find something... | 15:39 |
| RST38h | mrglinux: amazon is ok as long as it is really amazon and not one of the small retailers | 15:39 |
| Jon | the n770 specs are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N770#Specifications | 15:39 |
| Jon | as for reviews... | 15:39 |
| mrglinux | johnx can i work with gimp on it? :P | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | Google is your friend for reviews. | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | I don't think the 770 is sold anymore. | 15:40 |
| johnx | mrglinux, i've gotten it to work ok, but it takes some real hacking. | 15:40 |
| Jon | http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/06/most_excellent_.html for an n800 review | 15:40 |
| henrique | I don't want to buy a 770 :P | 15:40 |
| henrique | I just need to cite them on my presentation | 15:40 |
| henrique | Jon, thanks, that link will help a lot | 15:41 |
| mrglinux | johnx really? means every work i do with my computer i can do with this :-D | 15:41 |
| johnx | mrglinux, yes, but slowly and not easily | 15:42 |
| mrglinux | johnx how much? | 15:42 |
| lardman | and not at all if you use x86 binary-only components | 15:42 |
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| Jon | henrique, nor problem | 15:43 |
| mrglinux | johnx can i have webservice like apche and work with php on it? | 15:43 |
| johnx | yes, but it will take up most of the RAM to run apache | 15:43 |
| mrglinux | **apache | 15:43 |
| johnx | running apache at the same time you're trying to use it for web surfing will be S L O W | 15:43 |
| mrglinux | hmm | 15:43 |
| mrglinux | so i have to buy it | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Apache should be ok | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | But ngix and php is doable.. | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Symbian phones can run Apache (and other applications at the same time) | 15:44 |
| johnx | mrglinux, it's a 400Mhz CPU with 128MB of RAM . It's not magic. :) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | So, N810 should not have much of a problem, as long as you do not do fancy stuff | 15:44 |
| mrglinux | i just have 300$ :-( and can buy n800 just | 15:45 |
| johnx | the N800 and N810 are the same hardware, except for the keyboard, gps and a slight difference in the screen | 15:45 |
| johnx | same CPU and same RAM | 15:45 |
| mrglinux | johnx no n800 cpu's is 320 | 15:46 |
| johnx | no, it's not | 15:46 |
| johnx | kthx | 15:46 |
| mrglinux | johnx http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/19/n800-vs-n810-or-who-should-consider-buying-nokia-n810/ | 15:46 |
| johnx | it was running underclocked in OS2007, they clocked it up to 400MHz in OS2008 | 15:46 |
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| X-Fade | Yes johnx is right. The cpu is identical. | 15:47 |
| mrglinux | hmm | 15:47 |
| mrglinux | good | 15:47 |
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| timeless | dneary: do you have access to the nokia intranet? | 15:49 |
| dneary | timeless: No | 15:50 |
| timeless | ok, hold on | 15:50 |
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| timeless | please join the channel | 15:50 |
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| timeless | /join #dneary | 15:51 |
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| lardman | timeless: so is it a retu/tavho issue, or some other value to be found in that trivial piece of code...? | 15:52 |
| timeless | hold | 15:52 |
| lardman | ok | 15:52 |
| timeless | sorry, it's not my area | 15:54 |
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| timeless | from memory retu/tavho have some hardware value | 15:54 |
| lardman | oh yes, I understand that - as they appear in other Nokia products | 15:54 |
| timeless | iirc the reasons for this one are the kind that one isn't allowed to discuss | 15:54 |
| lardman | ok, so a pretty random sort of reason then; fair enough | 15:54 |
| timeless | i think that something similar appears in other nokia products and therefore the feature is probably considered of value | 15:55 |
| timeless | whereas with those hardware elements the actual data itself has intrinsic value against the other hardware | 15:55 |
| timeless | probably the best comparison is the s60 browser's minimap mode | 15:55 |
| timeless | s60's browser is "open source" | 15:55 |
| lardman | I see, so it's nothing in the code itself, just what it does and how | 15:55 |
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| timeless | except when it isn't | 15:55 |
| timeless | minimap is one of those isn'ts | 15:55 |
| timeless | if microb wanted to add a minimap feature, we probably couldn't add the feature as open source | 15:56 |
| timeless | not because it'd be the same code as minimap | 15:56 |
| * lardman Googles for minimap | 15:56 | |
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| timeless | but because the feature was valuable to s60 as a "differentiator" | 15:56 |
| * timeless pokes dneary | 15:56 | |
| lardman | ah, I see, a bit like the thing the iPod/Phone does | 15:57 |
| * timeless ponders | 15:57 | |
| timeless | maybe | 15:57 |
| timeless | i don't know which parts of the iphone stuff is open source | 15:58 |
| timeless | that might be a valid comparison | 15:58 |
| lardman | overview of page, and you can zoom in - not quite the same, but similar for useability | 15:58 |
| timeless | i suppose if you want to draw the line on os x, it's easy | 15:58 |
| timeless | Safari is closed | 15:58 |
| timeless | WebKit is open | 15:58 |
| timeless | minimap or a similar feature might be in Safari | 15:58 |
| lardman | ah no, I was wondering what minimap was | 15:58 |
| lardman | ok | 15:58 |
| timeless | if it's in Safari, then another group at apple could conceviably be blocked from releasing a competing feature to some other open source project | 15:59 |
| timeless | if apple worked as nokia does | 15:59 |
| timeless | well, this is all hypothetical | 15:59 |
| timeless | but that's the best comparison i can offer | 15:59 |
| timeless | note that it might be better to write WebCore instead of Safari | 15:59 |
| lardman | I can understand that - that's exactly the explanation people ought to be given | 15:59 |
| timeless | but i'm not a Safari expert | 15:59 |
| timeless | although I am in credits for one of those components :) | 16:00 |
| lardman | :) | 16:00 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm going to dig into scrollback to try to answer dneary's questions | 16:00 |
| timeless | it'll take me a while | 16:00 |
| lardman | enjoy; back to MATLAB for me | 16:00 |
| timeless | minefield is basically firefox prereleases | 16:02 |
| timeless | when firefox is released it's branded firefox | 16:02 |
| timeless | until then we don't want people to think that a nightly is of the same quality and has the same testing | 16:02 |
| timeless | so the unbranded ones are minefields | 16:02 |
| timeless | they could blow up at any time | 16:02 |
| timeless | yes, about:config should work in virtually all gecko derivatives | 16:03 |
| johnx | wow...that's a remarkably sane approach to prereleases... | 16:03 |
| timeless | i can't remember if it works in camino, but i made sure it worked in microb | 16:03 |
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| timeless | lardman: the shell is technically busybox's own shell | 16:08 |
| timeless | afaiu | 16:08 |
| timeless | i don't know that it's fair to call it compatible w/ anything (i could be wrong) | 16:08 |
| timeless | johnx: you could have offered the package list that the maemo team published when they compare releases :) | 16:08 |
| timeless | usually newbies are interested in baselines | 16:09 |
| timeless | not that the baseline is remotely useful | 16:09 |
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| johnx | I didn't think of it at the time | 16:09 |
| timeless | i'm not blaming you | 16:09 |
| timeless | more of a future suggestion | 16:09 |
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| timeless | you'll know when i'm blaming :) | 16:09 |
| johnx | ah, plus he asked for "applications *for* os2007" | 16:10 |
| johnx | not applications "in" or "a part of" os2007 | 16:10 |
| johnx | I should add something to infobot... | 16:10 |
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| johnx | heh...I just accidentally shut my n800 out from all outside contact :) | 16:11 |
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| timeless | ifconfig wifi down | 16:12 |
| timeless | ? | 16:12 |
| timeless | or ifdown wifi ? | 16:12 |
| timeless | i did that to one of my boxes | 16:12 |
| timeless | i felt really clever | 16:12 |
| timeless | i was trying to see if certain boot scripts would work | 16:12 |
| johnx | yeah, the best part is when you're like "I'll be clever so I'll do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" | 16:12 |
| timeless | probably software requirements | 16:12 |
| johnx | but then the second never gets run because it looses the controlling terminal... | 16:12 |
| timeless | ooops | 16:12 |
| johnx | screen wins in that case | 16:13 |
| johnx | nah, I'm messing around with debian again, so it's not booting to X, and usb is set to host mode, so no usbnet and the screen blanked too | 16:13 |
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| trickie_ | johnx: :( i had the same with mamona | 16:17 |
| johnx | ah good, this time wifi came up at least | 16:17 |
| timeless | johnx: did you want to mention the fcc specs for the nokia devices? :) | 16:18 |
| * timeless wonders if anyone put those into the wikipedia article | 16:18 | |
| johnx | nah, I really want people to just use google :) | 16:18 |
| timeless | heh | 16:18 |
| * timeless too | 16:18 | |
| timeless | jon++ for giving out wp urls... although i sure hope those are top hits from google | 16:19 |
| timeless | but yeah, it'd be nice if people learned to use google | 16:19 |
| timeless | google first, ask questions later. | 16:19 |
| johnx | I guess I'm surprised when people take the time to find the IRC channel log on and ask questions instead of typing "n800 technical specifications" into google | 16:20 |
| * timeless nods | 16:20 | |
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| RST38h | some people just can't use google | 16:25 |
| RST38h | don't know how to state queries correctly | 16:25 |
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| darx | hi, how can i rotate the screen to portrait mode as is shown here http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/tiemu2/ | 16:26 |
| darx | I didn't even know that could be done. | 16:26 |
| timeless | in theory the platform has support for it | 16:27 |
| timeless | kinda | 16:27 |
| timeless | the x server doesn't have rotate | 16:27 |
| johnx | darx, googled n800 screen rotation, second result was the guide I used: http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 16:27 |
| timeless | but there were bugs filed against components to support alternate angles | 16:27 |
| timeless | err dimensions | 16:27 |
| timeless | and orientations | 16:27 |
| johnx | darx, not however that rotation support is pretty beta, and if you don't know what you're doing may force you to reflash to make your tablet work again | 16:28 |
| johnx | *note | 16:28 |
| ccooke | heh | 16:29 |
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| ccooke | Since I installed the rotation support... I have to delete my FBReader config every time I start it | 16:29 |
| timeless | johnx: don't suppose you know how the browser toolbar works in that mode? | 16:29 |
| timeless | http://sse2.net/rotate/shot02.png | 16:29 |
| timeless | has it off | 16:29 |
| johnx | it's a little chunky in non-fullscreen IIRC | 16:30 |
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| n800n | is there a nintendo ds emu for maemo? | 16:30 |
| johnx | I think it either cuts off the back button, or cuts off before the back button | 16:30 |
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| timeless | lardman: speaking of things that weren't, that was one other ui package that wasn't supposed to be around that had an old version :) | 16:30 |
| johnx | n800n, nope | 16:30 |
| n800n | mornin. | 16:30 |
| n800n | doh | 16:30 |
| johnx | n800n, there's a gameboy advance emu though | 16:31 |
| timeless | johnx: cool, i expected something like that | 16:31 |
| timeless | btw, if you're going to use that mode, i'd suggest you try fennec | 16:31 |
| n800n | yeah, seen that | 16:31 |
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| timeless | if fennec doesn't work, file a bug, include steps to reproduce | 16:31 |
| timeless | including the url to how to setup rotated mode | 16:31 |
| johnx | n800n, ds emulation isn't perfect even on the desktop, and the ds has a dedicated 3d processor | 16:31 |
| timeless | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fennec | 16:32 |
| johnx | timeless, I will if I get back around to installing rotation. That was on a previous flash | 16:32 |
| timeless | cool :) | 16:32 |
| lardman | timeless: ah, so the bug would still need to be resolved on Nokia's end? | 16:32 |
| n800n | so there's not much of a chance huh | 16:32 |
| timeless | btw, it's also ok if you file a bug in bugs.maemo against the browse | 16:32 |
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| timeless | but file it as an enhancement | 16:32 |
| timeless | someone will keep it in mind | 16:33 |
| timeless | obviously a screenshot + notes explaining what's wrong would be good | 16:33 |
| timeless | note that the browser has a number of different toolbar modes | 16:33 |
| timeless | it'd be best if you included pictures for all the broken bits | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | n800n: why not buy a real ds? | 16:37 |
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| n800n | ego | 16:39 |
| n800n | n800>ds | 16:39 |
| johnx | more like: n800 != ds | 16:39 |
| n800n | hah | 16:40 |
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| johnx | I will probably get a ds once I have $140 that I don't know what to do with | 16:40 |
| n800n | i have to make music on the n800 soon | 16:40 |
| n800n | to prove it. | 16:40 |
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| n800n | i don't like them anymore | 16:41 |
| n800n | they're everywher making people look stupi | 16:42 |
| n800n | d | 16:42 |
| johnx | ah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :) | 16:42 |
| n800n | i had a songwriting class, this kid brought his ds | 16:43 |
| n800n | trying to play music on it live | 16:43 |
| n800n | makes you look stupid | 16:43 |
| n800n | and here i am with a beautiful touchsvreen an a usb port | 16:44 |
| johnx | fair enough. I think that's a pretty good generalization though: trying to use a piece of electronics like a music instrument will often make you look dumb, especially if you aren't very good | 16:44 |
| n800n | yeah | 16:45 |
| n800n | i'll shut up now | 16:45 |
| johnx | :D | 16:45 |
| n800n | laters | 16:45 |
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| johnx | sorry :/ | 16:45 |
| johnx | grr...didn't mean to sound so harsh :( | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, anyone ever tried to make hildon input method work for rdesktop by abusing rdesktop -X (XEmbed/embed into a window with a specified id), and wrapping it in a pygtk wrapper? | 16:50 |
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| timeless | sts: why not use the osk.exe from windows? | 16:53 |
| jott | johnx: oh, look at http://blip.tv/file/get/Mahalodaily-MD080GameboyMusic172.m4v and http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQcp2Mkt_-A :) | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: it gets very annoying after a while | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | and haven't found a good one with good word prediction | 16:54 |
| timeless | dneary: so, thoguhts? :) | 16:54 |
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| johnx | jott, yeah, I need to apologize to n800n if he actually ever comes back to the channel :( | 16:55 |
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| jott | something like this korg ds thing would be great on the n8x0 | 16:58 |
| Grackle | whee, yes it would | 16:58 |
| johnx | wasn't there something already? | 16:58 |
| Grackle | http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ | 16:59 |
| Grackle | PDa | 16:59 |
| Grackle | Puredata anywhere | 16:59 |
| Grackle | It's pretty powerful, but ugly as sin. | 16:59 |
| jott | johnx: hmm not that i know of (just milkytracker and schism tracker - but those have a different more classical tracker like approach) | 17:00 |
| johnx | ah, fair enough | 17:00 |
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| johnx | hey, cool, confirmation on the sprint+time warner+clearwire+comcast+others wimax deal | 17:02 |
| jott | hm this PDa/pure data seems to go in the direction | 17:02 |
| Grackle | The provided package installs fine, and there are some example patches. Try out the acid patch. It makes some nice TB-303ish sounds. | 17:03 |
| Grackle | It is pretty nice.. It could use some interface work, though, and that may be difficult given that it's all designed to be graphically programmable. | 17:04 |
| jott | tcl/tk ugh that.. classy!? :) | 17:05 |
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| jott | yeah i'll give it a shot later | 17:05 |
| jott | i suppose it would be fairly easy to write a decent gui for it for some static patches ;) | 17:07 |
| asedeno_work | Someone else interested in OpenAFS? Whoa. | 17:09 |
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| Navi | [08:42:55] <johnx> ah, the urge to be different by buying things that are unpopular :) <- Same here. It makes me look cooler :D | 17:15 |
| johnx | of course it does. :P | 17:16 |
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| Navi | bleh, I hate setting stuff back up after reflashing | 17:25 |
| johnx | why the latest reflash? | 17:25 |
| Navi | I removed microb-eal (and the packages that depended on it) thinking that I could reinstall them later from the repos. | 17:26 |
| Navi | Clearly, I was mistaken | 17:26 |
| johnx | ah, yeah | 17:26 |
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| Navi | qwerty12, I don't know how you can stand setting up crap again after reflashing :P | 17:27 |
| qwerty12 | I know :(. I'm just doing a bit here and there now. | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't have the motivation anymore after about 30+ flashes now | 17:27 |
| Navi | heh | 17:27 |
| johnx | O_o | 17:27 |
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| Navi | qwerty12, the control file uses conflicts and replaces instead of provides ^_^ | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :), thanks for correcting me :) | 17:28 |
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| Navi | Nah, that's where the problem is | 17:29 |
| Navi | It _should_ be provides | 17:29 |
| Navi | But should replace still be there? | 17:29 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea :/. Compile newer apt and dpkg :p | 17:30 |
| Navi | :P | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | It can be done very easily but then you need to compile newer application manager which messes things up >.< | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | That was a reflash reason... | 17:31 |
| Navi | heh | 17:31 |
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| johnx | you both should really just boot from sd... | 17:31 |
| Navi | johnx, too lazy | 17:31 |
| Navi | make me | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 17:32 |
| johnx | I don't care either way | 17:32 |
| Navi | :< | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | I will do soon, I just got an 8GB. I'm hoping I don't get any I/O errors :/ | 17:32 |
| jott | hmm sick my n810 keyboard just stopped working | 17:32 |
| johnx | but incremental backups with rsync through an sd card reader are awesome | 17:32 |
| Navi | Oh yeah | 17:32 |
| Navi | That's why I don't do it | 17:32 |
| Navi | I don't have a spare SD card big enough | 17:33 |
| johnx | ah, yeah, I'm running into that too :| | 17:33 |
| johnx | I could really make use of about 4 new 8GB cards O_o | 17:34 |
| johnx | maybe 5 | 17:34 |
| Navi | heh... | 17:34 |
| Navi | How about giving them away? | 17:34 |
| jott | johnx: one for sid, one for lenny and one for etch? :P | 17:35 |
| johnx | the cards I don't have, but do need? | 17:35 |
| johnx | one each for my older zauruses | 17:35 |
| johnx | one to hold music/videos | 17:35 |
| johnx | one for debian and one for maemo w/ boot-from-sd | 17:35 |
| qwerty12 | I want to try out KDE and when I get round to partitioning, your debian :) | 17:36 |
| johnx | working on the new release now | 17:36 |
| johnx | keyboards work reliably, finally! | 17:36 |
| johnx | and a lot of the power savings are there thanks to someone who has more of a clue than me :D | 17:37 |
| qwerty12 | gj :) | 17:37 |
| jott | nice | 17:37 |
| jott | so what was it with the kb? just a race condition? | 17:37 |
| johnx | yup | 17:37 |
| johnx | the X server needs to be started a long time after hal | 17:38 |
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| jott | yeah | 17:38 |
| jott | makes sense | 17:38 |
| johnx | so it will start last (S99) and that's all there is to it | 17:38 |
| johnx | hopefully it won't be a problem anymore | 17:38 |
| johnx | I just need to decide whether to try and use a login manager like gdm or kdm or wdm and how to make that work for n800 users | 17:39 |
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| qwerty12 | gdm has some accessibility options right? maybe a bit of tweaking :/ | 17:39 |
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| johnx | I might try to make gpe-dm run, but I don't think it has any idea about session selection :/ | 17:40 |
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| johnx | it does have a nice onscreen keyboard built in though | 17:40 |
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| Navi | :o | 17:41 |
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| johnx | ah, nevermind. found something much better :D | 17:42 |
| jott | johnx: i would suggest to try to make a good first impression so it attracts people. everyone knowing what the implications (of a full debian) are, will tweak it towards his personal preferences anyway | 17:42 |
| johnx | yeah, that's why I'm so glad to find "wmanager - Select a window manager at X startup" | 17:43 |
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| johnx | I don't see how anyone could complain about that :) | 17:43 |
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| * jott spawns an army of whiners | 17:45 | |
| Navi | woo, whiners | 17:46 |
| czr | whinerschnitzels | 17:46 |
| johnx | nevermind, not as useful as I hoped | 17:46 |
| lopz | hola | 17:46 |
| johnx | hi | 17:46 |
| * qwerty12 grabs my rocket launcher and blasts the mofo whiners | 17:47 | |
| Navi | qwerty12, mmk, I just whipped up the package | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Great, thanks :) | 17:47 |
| Navi | Uploading it in a sec | 17:47 |
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| johnx | wow, wmanager is fantastically useless | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | Now we can complain :p | 17:50 |
| johnx | nah, I'll just drop people off at a console | 17:50 |
| johnx | for the real "debian experience" | 17:50 |
| Navi | qwerty12, bleh | 17:51 |
| * qwerty12 is glad to use Ubuntu - Debian for n00bs | 17:51 | |
| Navi | adding Provides: libgtkmozembed didn't work :P | 17:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12, ahahaha | 17:51 |
| Navi | when doing apt-get -f install, it still wants to remove all of those packages. | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, now I'm gonna have to load up leafpad on the status file :/ | 17:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks for recreating the package though | 17:52 |
| Navi | yeah | 17:52 |
| Navi | uploaded it to http://www.xenf.net/microb/ if you want to check it out | 17:52 |
| Navi | -2 | 17:52 |
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| qwerty12 | Thanks but if it doesn't work, no point in wasting bandwidth. | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | Yours that is. | 17:53 |
| Navi | only 100kb | 17:53 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, skeen. I think I'll just do search and replace though. | 17:54 |
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| Navi | Heh | 17:55 |
| Navi | Now I don't know what to do | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Grab Diablo from SVN :p | 17:58 |
| Navi | Hey look, newest ncftp has tab completion | 17:58 |
| Navi | The tablet UI is proprietary dood | 17:59 |
| Navi | tablet-browser | 17:59 |
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| Navi | or whatever it was called | 17:59 |
| Navi | oh, Diablo | 17:59 |
| Navi | >_> | 17:59 |
| Navi | nou | 17:59 |
| Navi | I was thinking of either changing microb-gtkmozembed | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | How about just making a meta-package? | 18:00 |
| Navi | or that | 18:00 |
| Navi | Oh, I'm a retard. | 18:00 |
| Navi | nevermind | 18:01 |
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| * timeless pokes navi :) | 18:05 | |
| Navi | Ahh! | 18:05 |
| * qwerty12 needs to get back in the scratchbox game. I really want to get my Caps button back, not this crap En button. | 18:05 | |
| Navi | timeless, I got up to the perl script | 18:06 |
| Navi | but the bash script that the perl script generates is empty besides the #!/bin/bash | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | You can download the bash scripts of his website too afaik | 18:06 |
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| Navi | Yeah, do-dpkg.sh, do-all-pkgs.sh. and build-control.pl | 18:08 |
| Navi | Except it looks like the server tries to execute the perl script :P | 18:08 |
| aVirulence | hi, I have a bit of a problem, does someone know under which /dev name hal creates the memory card device when the usb cable is connected? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, lol | 18:08 |
| aVirulence | only the internal memory is automatically mounted | 18:09 |
| timeless | um | 18:09 |
| timeless | well, heh | 18:09 |
| timeless | :) | 18:09 |
| timeless | you're not supposed to run my perl script anyway | 18:09 |
| timeless | it's generated by one of the .sh files that you run on the device :) | 18:09 |
| Navi | Gah >_> | 18:09 |
| Navi | You and your ambiguous scripts :P | 18:10 |
| kulve | aVirulence: on your pc? | 18:10 |
| aVirulence | kulve, yes | 18:10 |
| Navi | "You then need to transfer device-files.tar to the system that can run build-control.pl and run it." But it tells me to! | 18:10 |
| kulve | aVirulence: it depends on your setup. It mounts the external as the first (often /dev/sda1) and the internal as the second (often /dev/sdb1) but your disk or usb sticks may change that. See "dmesg" after plugging in the cable to see the right device | 18:11 |
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| aVirulence | kulve, that's a bit of a problem, see, hal mounts the internal memory twice.. only /dev/sdd1 shows up which is the internal memory | 18:13 |
| timeless | ok, reload the directory index | 18:13 |
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| Navi | woo | 18:14 |
| timeless | my .pl script is documented in the 2007 file that you were supposed to read :) | 18:14 |
| kulve | aVirulence: that sounds very odd.. | 18:14 |
| timeless | anyway the .pl-txt files should be readable | 18:14 |
| Navi | timeless, I did ;_; | 18:14 |
| timeless | not sure why the server is trying to run the files, they aren't +x | 18:14 |
| timeless | navi: really? :( | 18:14 |
| timeless | it didn't explain clearly enough that you run the generated .pl file on a normal debian? :( | 18:14 |
| Navi | Let me give it one more go | 18:14 |
| aVirulence | kulve, actually, it gets even odder, my internal memory was busy the last time I mounted it: the memory card got mounted twice! | 18:15 |
| aVirulence | might be my system, though | 18:15 |
| timeless | navi: anyway, do-all-pkgs.sh would need to be changed to search for whatever you actually want to get | 18:15 |
| timeless | hrm | 18:15 |
| Navi | I did | 18:15 |
| timeless | hrm | 18:16 |
| Navi | sec | 18:16 |
| timeless | i wonder what script 'a' was | 18:16 |
| timeless | heh, kinda funny isn't it | 18:16 |
| timeless | do-all-pkgs tries to run itself :) | 18:16 |
| timeless | definitely not quite finished :) | 18:17 |
| timeless | anyway, get rid of everything after the tar command | 18:17 |
| Navi | Oh | 18:18 |
| Navi | I noticed that earlier | 18:18 |
| timeless | oh suck, there's a tree.sh somewhere | 18:18 |
| Navi | it's a side effect of using cat > do-all-pkgs.sh << EOF | 18:18 |
| Navi | it decided to throw in my entire directory of scripts and try to execute them | 18:19 |
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| * qwerty12 <3 conky | 18:19 | |
| Navi | indeed | 18:19 |
| timeless | oh | 18:21 |
| timeless | no, right, do-pkdg.sh generates tree | 18:21 |
| johnx | ok, well wdm is officially off the candidate list for display manager as it triggers a kernel oops O_o | 18:21 |
| Navi | Heh | 18:21 |
| Navi | I have kernel panics in my nightmares | 18:21 |
| timeless | clearly i haven't used this script recently :) | 18:21 |
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| timeless | anyway, i have to leave | 18:22 |
| Navi | Bye | 18:22 |
| timeless | i'll be back in an hour or two | 18:22 |
| Navi | kk | 18:22 |
| timeless | but really, please try to get the scripts to work | 18:22 |
| Navi | kk | 18:22 |
| timeless | and let me know which bugs i need to fix :) | 18:23 |
| timeless | mailto: timeless@gmail | 18:23 |
| timeless | since i probably will miss this | 18:23 |
| timeless | or /msg timelyx | 18:23 |
| Navi | I don't know what I'm doing wrong :/ | 18:23 |
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| Navi | Woo, I have my rss feed reader app back | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | The mini applet? :) | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | (I love that BTW) | 18:26 |
| Navi | I figured out that the scrollbar also borks on the applet that comes with the tablet | 18:26 |
| Navi | It's just not as noticeable | 18:27 |
| Navi | Is omweather working for anyone? | 18:27 |
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| Navi | It stopped working yesterday | 18:27 |
| Blafasel | hrhr.. I never understood the "weather forecast" type of apps | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | It stopped for me too, about 2 days ago | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna clean out gconf entries and try again soon | 18:28 |
| Navi | Blafasel, quicker than checking the news or opening a browser | 18:28 |
| johnx | stopped working here too | 18:28 |
| Navi | just glance at the applet and you're good to go | 18:29 |
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| Navi | qwerty12, so, I guess I can make a proper deb and throw that out too | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | *yawn* | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: hey, OMweather saves me a visit to the weather website | 18:36 |
| Navi | yawn indeed | 18:36 |
| Navi | RST38h, exactly :D | 18:36 |
| RST38h | What's new and exciting in the tablet world? | 18:36 |
| * Navi shrugs | 18:36 | |
| johnx | not that much, hacking out a new debian tarball | 18:36 |
| Navi | timeless has scripts to generate debs | 18:36 |
| johnx | thinking about why sapwood server fails to succeed on my zaurus | 18:36 |
| Navi | from the preinstalled apps | 18:36 |
| Navi | I can't get them to work >_> | 18:37 |
| johnx | Navi, does he just use dpkg-repack or something else? | 18:37 |
| Navi | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 | 18:37 |
| Navi | dpkg-repack sounds more conventional | 18:38 |
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| johnx | if you wanted to you could just: rsync the rootfs over to a debian desktop, maybe use dpkg --get-selections (or whatever it is) on the tablet | 18:39 |
| johnx | and iterate through that using dpkg-repack to repack any installed package on the desktop | 18:40 |
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| johnx | hypothetically of course :) | 18:40 |
| Navi | Heh | 18:40 |
| Navi | Someone tell timey when he gets back | 18:41 |
| johnx | I assume he didn't want to have to install debian on a desktop | 18:41 |
| johnx | and dpkg-repack pulls in a lot of stuff as deps | 18:41 |
| Navi | Well, you could do it in scratchbox if you wanted, probably | 18:42 |
| johnx | err...maybe | 18:42 |
| Navi | You need dpkg with his scripts as well | 18:42 |
| johnx | you need a lot of dpkg dev stuff for dpkg-repack | 18:42 |
| johnx | more than is included in sbox I think | 18:42 |
| Navi | mmm | 18:42 |
| johnx | a debian chroot on another linux machine or debian in a vmware install would be fine | 18:42 |
| johnx | overkill, but fine | 18:43 |
| Navi | heh | 18:43 |
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| Navi | Anyways, time to go | 18:45 |
| Navi | Pray that I past my Chem exam for me :P | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | Bye, good lucj | 18:45 |
| johnx | good luck | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | s/lucj/luck | 18:45 |
| Navi | thanks | 18:46 |
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| Navi | Oh yeah, someone else try using timeless's scripts | 18:51 |
| Navi | I can't get them to work. | 18:51 |
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| Navi | zoom | 18:52 |
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| X-Fade | Hey pH5, any news on the powervr driver? :) | 18:56 |
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| pH5 | X-Fade: no :( | 18:59 |
| pH5 | I've added the reset procedure and enabled interrupts, but I don't receive any. Not sure whether my setup is wrong or I'm just not supposed to see any activity from the mbx at this level. | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | Hmm that is unfortunate :( | 19:02 |
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| jldiaz | how can I find wich release of OS2008 I have installed? | 19:39 |
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| johnx | control panel -> about (I think) | 19:39 |
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| jldiaz | johnx, right. Thanks | 19:41 |
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| jldiaz | Hum. I have 2.2007.50-2, but the latest is 51-3. Should I upgrade? | 19:41 |
| johnx | 51-3 only fixed a very specific issue that some people were having with not being able to turn on their tablet after turning it off | 19:42 |
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| johnx | even if you're having that problem, there is a way to install the update without having to do a complete reflash (along with reinstalling all your stuff) | 19:43 |
| jldiaz | ok, I better keep the current version | 19:43 |
| jldiaz | can the .bin image downloaded from nokia be mounted on ubuntu with -o loop? | 19:44 |
| johnx | not exactly | 19:44 |
| johnx | first use the flasher to extract it | 19:44 |
| johnx | then you'll need to load modules to emulate an mtd device in ram | 19:45 |
| johnx | then you can dd the image onto that and mount it | 19:45 |
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| johnx | you'll want to be looking up info about "mounting a jffs2 image on a desktop" | 19:45 |
| johnx | or something similar | 19:45 |
| johnx | ah, fun, earthquake | 19:46 |
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| jldiaz | thanks again | 19:47 |
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| johnx | I tried to do it a couple times, but it's somewhat tricky to emulate that big of an mtd device in RAM | 19:48 |
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| johnx | I think the kernel needs about 128MB or so of contiguous memory | 19:48 |
| johnx | which it is unlikely to have in a running linux system | 19:48 |
| johnx | ah, if you're talking about using this technique to apply the update, it's not necessary | 19:49 |
| johnx | the update was just a change to the boot loader and can be flashed separately | 19:49 |
| jldiaz | no, I was trying to recover the original version of xterm | 19:54 |
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| jldiaz | but I can't | 19:56 |
| jldiaz | dd complains about insufficient space in /dev/mtd0 | 19:57 |
| johnx | when you load the module, the parameter you're giving it is the size of the mtd-ram device you're making | 19:57 |
| jldiaz | I didn't give any parameter | 19:58 |
| johnx | ah | 19:58 |
| johnx | there might be a default then | 19:58 |
| johnx | modinfo mtd-ram.ko | 19:58 |
| johnx | but let me see if I can just make you a .deb of osso-xterm | 19:58 |
| jldiaz | oh, thank you | 19:59 |
| johnx | no promises. this will be an experiment O_o | 19:59 |
| jldiaz | :) | 20:01 |
| jldiaz | what is the syntax for passing a parameter to a module? | 20:01 |
| jldiaz | I tried "modprobe mtdram 128" but not worked | 20:01 |
| johnx | modprobe module-foo param=128 | 20:01 |
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| johnx | well, I think that worked :) | 20:02 |
| johnx | how would you like me to send it to you? | 20:02 |
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| jldiaz | email? Is it not too big? | 20:04 |
| jldiaz | I'm still trying to mount the image myself. I did the following: | 20:05 |
| jldiaz | modprobe the modules related to jffs2 | 20:05 |
| johnx | hmm...actually I'm worried it might not have worked | 20:05 |
| johnx | it's 40K | 20:05 |
| jldiaz | modprobe mtdram total_size=128 erase_size=128 | 20:06 |
| jldiaz | modprobe also mtdchar and mtdblock (without parameters) | 20:06 |
| jldiaz | dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtd0 | 20:06 |
| johnx | you just specified size in KB | 20:06 |
| jldiaz | Ops, you are right. It should be Mb | 20:06 |
| johnx | you want something like 131000 | 20:06 |
| jldiaz | also for erase_size? | 20:07 |
| johnx | er...I think you can leave that out | 20:07 |
| johnx | the default should be reasonable | 20:07 |
| jldiaz | ok, I hit the memory problem | 20:08 |
| jldiaz | modprobe mtdram total_size=133000 | 20:08 |
| jldiaz | Fatal: Error inserting mtdram (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/mtd/devices/mtdram.ko): Cannot allocate memory | 20:08 |
| johnx | anyways, I think this osso-xterm package worked | 20:08 |
| johnx | want to send me your email address by private message? | 20:09 |
| jldiaz | ok | 20:09 |
| jldiaz | ops, privates blocked | 20:09 |
| jldiaz | I forgot the syntax for identifying myself | 20:10 |
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| johnx | ah | 20:10 |
| jldiaz | nevermind | 20:10 |
| Fatal | jldiaz: would you like me to allocate some for you? | 20:10 |
| jldiaz | jldiaz@gmail.com | 20:10 |
| jldiaz | Fatal: :-) | 20:10 |
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| jldiaz | got it | 20:12 |
| jldiaz | thank you very much | 20:12 |
| johnx | good, now we'll see if it works :) | 20:12 |
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| jldiaz | well.. it installed without errors | 20:15 |
| jldiaz | now let's see if it runs :-) | 20:16 |
| jldiaz | ok! | 20:16 |
| jldiaz | it worked! | 20:16 |
| johnx | great! | 20:17 |
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| johnx | thanks to the magic of sshfs+dpkg-repack | 20:17 |
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| unixSnob | anyone here attempt to call the UK before? | 20:20 |
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| unixSnob | I'm trying to call someone using the country code 44, and just hear a siren instead of a normal ring | 20:20 |
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| johnx | oh no, you've set off the ter'rist alert! | 20:20 |
| unixSnob | I've set it off a few times now | 20:21 |
| jldiaz | is it possible to configure xterm for launching by default in fullscreen mode? | 20:22 |
| jldiaz | I'm trying to get ride of the toolbar once and forever. I had success for windowed mode, but when changing to fullscreen, the toolbar reappears. I think I could solve the problem if xterm lauched directly in fullscreen | 20:24 |
| johnx | can anyone recommend a good (cheap) web host? | 20:26 |
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| MangoFusion | when you factor in "cheap", "good" tends not to factor into the solution | 20:28 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 20:28 |
| Navi | johnx, you could go with bluehost | 20:29 |
| johnx | in this order of priorities: good, cheap, lots of bandwidth | 20:29 |
| johnx | Navi, thanks *looks them up* | 20:29 |
| MangoFusion | lots of horror stories out there about the cheapo "high bandwidth" hosts | 20:29 |
| Navi | Bluehost is good for the price, but I hate them. | 20:29 |
| johnx | ah | 20:29 |
| MangoFusion | unixSnob: siren? | 20:29 |
| johnx | MangoFusion, that's why "lots of bandwidth" is the lowest priority | 20:30 |
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| Navi | johnx, http://www.slicehost.com/ <- My favorite VPS provider | 20:30 |
| unixSnob | MangoFusion: Not sure how else to describe it.. it's a modulating sound like an emergency vehicle might make, without pause | 20:31 |
| johnx | that's a nice chunk of bandwidth for $20 | 20:31 |
| MangoFusion | haha | 20:31 |
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| MangoFusion | unixSnob: being in the uk myself, the only time i heard a siren on the phone is when i didn't replace the handset ;) | 20:31 |
| Capn_Fish | johnx: Hey | 20:31 |
| Navi | They're extremely reliable and don't try to cut you | 20:31 |
| johnx | hey Capn_Fish | 20:31 |
| MangoFusion | i think when you prefix with +44 you can ignore the first digit (usually 0) on the number | 20:31 |
| johnx | I just got debian booting nicely into xfce and I'm about to try and add rotation support :) | 20:32 |
| Capn_Fish | I do have at least one idea for the Debian thing | 20:32 |
| Capn_Fish | Cool! | 20:32 |
| unixSnob | well, the sound plays for a while, and is followed by "cannot be connected" message | 20:32 |
| Capn_Fish | I'd like right-clicking | 20:32 |
| Navi | johnx, nice | 20:32 |
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| MangoFusion | dodgy call center perhaps? | 20:32 |
| unixSnob | MangoFusion: ah, yeah, I was wondering if digits should be dropped | 20:32 |
| Capn_Fish | I started hacking together a Zaurus app that would do that | 20:32 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, ah, right. that was the other thing. Do you know anything about gtkstylus? | 20:32 |
| unixSnob | I'll try dropping the zero | 20:32 |
| johnx | that's what GPE uses and it's in debian now | 20:32 |
| Capn_Fish | Nothing about gtkstylus | 20:32 |
| johnx | I just don't know how to make it actually work :/ | 20:33 |
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| johnx | I think it's a gtk input module, maybe? | 20:33 |
| johnx | also got boot messages to show. makes things feel a lot more debiany :) | 20:33 |
| n800n | if i save gif images at 800 x 480 for viewing as slideshow in canola or other image viewers full screen there shouldn't be any resizing, correct? | 20:34 |
| Capn_Fish | I just made a little daemon that caught all mouse clicks and then checked if keys were pressed, then killed the mouse click and made a right click event | 20:34 |
| johnx | hmm...I might go for that if I can't make gtkstylus work | 20:34 |
| Capn_Fish | I never got it to work right, though | 20:34 |
| johnx | it provides a nice simple tap&hold solution | 20:34 |
| Capn_Fish | It didn't catch key release events for some reason | 20:35 |
| Capn_Fish | Hmm...I'd like to be able to stick right clicking in the WM | 20:35 |
| Capn_Fish | Less overhead :) | 20:35 |
| johnx | I think it's pretty low-overhead as a gtk module too | 20:35 |
| Capn_Fish | I'm probably way to used to saving every byte of RAM I can, but it can't hurt | 20:35 |
| johnx | 128MB of RAM is sooo nice to have. :) | 20:36 |
| Capn_Fish | Yeah, and 128MB is a LOT for an embedded system | 20:36 |
| johnx | It makes such a difference for web browsing vs my akita | 20:36 |
| Capn_Fish | My Zaurus only has 64 MB | 20:36 |
| Capn_Fish | You keep beating me to what I want to say :O | 20:36 |
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| Capn_Fish | How does the keyboard work in X? | 20:37 |
| johnx | it works well :) | 20:37 |
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| johnx | for my usb keyboard I just plug it in and it's happy | 20:37 |
| Navi | woo | 20:37 |
| Navi | usb keyboard | 20:37 |
| Capn_Fish | Do you have an N800 or an N810? | 20:37 |
| johnx | N800 | 20:37 |
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| Capn_Fish | Hmm... | 20:37 |
| Navi | couldn't you go with something lighter than xfce4? | 20:37 |
| Navi | :D | 20:37 |
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| Capn_Fish | I'll have to fiddle with the hardware keyboard, then | 20:38 |
| * johnx smacks Navi for whining before the release :P | 20:38 | |
| Navi | *twm* *twm* | 20:38 |
| Capn_Fish | It worked in the CLI when I got to it by some fluke a while back | 20:38 |
| Navi | *twm* *twm* *twm* | 20:38 |
| Capn_Fish | TWM FTL. EvilWM's where it's at! | 20:38 |
| johnx | Navi, whine after the release :P | 20:38 |
| Navi | johnx, I whined a few days ago too | 20:38 |
| Navi | kk | 20:38 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, yeah, it works on the CLI | 20:38 |
| johnx | it's a HAL thing with Xomap | 20:38 |
| johnx | Xomap is ... special | 20:38 |
| Capn_Fish | I see. How hard would it be to fix? | 20:39 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, it works now | 20:39 |
| Navi | johnx, don't blame me if your release topic is spammed with light wm requests. | 20:39 |
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| johnx | I'm 90% sure that when I release this the N810 keyboard will "just work" in X | 20:39 |
| Capn_Fish | Wait, it does work in X11, or just in the CLI? | 20:39 |
| Capn_Fish | Nice! | 20:39 |
| johnx | should work in both | 20:39 |
| Capn_Fish | cool. | 20:40 |
| Capn_Fish | Perhaps I can FINALLY ditch OS2008 :D | 20:40 |
| johnx | eh, don't count on it | 20:40 |
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| Capn_Fish | :( | 20:40 |
| johnx | there's a lot left to do :/ | 20:40 |
| Navi | Yeah, like getting dwm as the default wm | 20:41 |
| Capn_Fish | I'm OK with beta stuff | 20:41 |
| johnx | Navi, i will include instructions that will make it pretty simple to change which wm is launched | 20:41 |
| Navi | johnx, hildon apps working yet? | 20:41 |
| Capn_Fish | Heck, I was running the alpha pdaXrom r198 on my Zaurus for some 1.5 year | 20:41 |
| johnx | Navi, nope | 20:41 |
| johnx | not worrying about that for now | 20:41 |
| Navi | Oh, I'm sure I can figure out how to do it myself :P | 20:41 |
| johnx | by popular request I'm focusing on getting a "real linux desktop" first | 20:41 |
| Navi | mmk | 20:42 |
| Capn_Fish | g2g | 20:42 |
| Capn_Fish | sorry | 20:42 |
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| johnx | no worries. Just help field newb questions when I release this, :) | 20:42 |
| Navi | With my usual trollish statements or actually be helpful? | 20:42 |
| Navi | :D | 20:42 |
| johnx | both of you need to be *helpful* :P | 20:43 |
| johnx | that's all I ask | 20:43 |
| Navi | Yeah, I'll do what I can. | 20:43 |
| johnx | I'm going to lessen the "BIG RED DISCLAIMER" a little this time and provide screenshots | 20:43 |
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| Navi | Heh | 20:43 |
| Navi | I discovered that size 7 for big red disclamers was too big | 20:44 |
| Navi | s/am/aim/ | 20:44 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I discovered that size 7 for big red disclaimers was too big | 20:44 |
| johnx | actually it worked well | 20:44 |
| Navi | Pfft | 20:44 |
| johnx | it filled the whole first page of my browser :) | 20:44 |
| Navi | >_> | 20:44 |
| n800n | s/am/aim/ | 20:44 |
| n800n | ? | 20:44 |
| Navi | sed | 20:44 |
| johnx | hey n800n. sorry I was kinda harsh earlier. | 20:45 |
| Navi | s/replace this/with this/ | 20:45 |
| Navi | For example | 20:45 |
| Navi | s/For/cool/ | 20:45 |
| n800n | you were? | 20:45 |
| infobot | Navi meant: cool example | 20:45 |
| johnx | ah, I thought that's why you left? | 20:45 |
| johnx | nevermind then :D | 20:45 |
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| n800n | oh no, i don't get offended easily, plus there was no reason to be offended | 20:45 |
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| n800n | as far as i'm concerned everybody here is an ass | 20:46 |
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| Navi | Haha | 20:46 |
| johnx | good strategy | 20:46 |
| gnuSnob | MangoFusion: that was it.. i just had to drop the zero. Thanks! | 20:46 |
| Navi | Man, I'm broke | 20:46 |
| * gnuSnob can't stand the silly exceptions in dialing rules | 20:46 | |
| Navi | I don't even have money for a tank of gas | 20:46 |
| gnuSnob | I thought zeros only had to be dropped in the case of mobile phones | 20:47 |
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| gnuSnob | Navi: that's kuz you spend all your time in here, no? | 20:47 |
| Navi | Indeed it is | 20:47 |
| MangoFusion | i think mobiles are just one of the many places you notice it ;) | 20:47 |
| a_l_e | hello... i need a program to play oggs and mp3 on the n810... and i'd like something that just shows the tracks in the directories, so that i can just drop the sd card and it forgets what was in there... any hint? | 20:47 |
| gnuSnob | You'd be a wealthy man if you got paid for #maemo chat | 20:48 |
| johnx | why back in my day a tank of gas was $15! | 20:48 |
| Navi | :P | 20:48 |
| Navi | You also burned it all away in a heartbeat | 20:48 |
| johnx | eh, actually I went 400+ miles on a tank :) | 20:48 |
| Navi | a_l_e, canola can do so with ogg support installed, I think | 20:49 |
| gnuSnob | I read a stat that the average mpg has /gone up/ in the past 20 years | 20:49 |
| n800n | canola + http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=114142 worked for me | 20:50 |
| Navi | Just stay away from American cars and we're good on mpg | 20:50 |
| gnuSnob | it's because folks are buying bigger cars.. and because technology that could be used to increase efficiency is actually being used to increase performance | 20:50 |
| johnx | also cars are getting heavier with safety features | 20:50 |
| a_l_e | ... so, i'm looking at canola... | 20:50 |
| johnx | a_l_e, audio -> my music -> browse by folder | 20:51 |
| johnx | but you have to set which folders have music first :) | 20:52 |
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| n800n | i just got a neuro osd for a friend | 20:52 |
| gnuSnob | will canola work on my porno collection, or is it just for music? | 20:52 |
| n800n | it's pretty cool | 20:52 |
| n800n | only straight porn | 20:53 |
| Navi | gnuSnob, It'll work on your porno collection if you wire 100 bucks to my bank account | 20:53 |
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| * gnuSnob would rather sneak around the living room and get the job done when no one sees, than pay $100 to take the NIT to bed | 20:54 | |
| johnx | gah | 20:55 |
| Navi | ? | 20:55 |
| johnx | have read! cannot un-read! | 20:55 |
| Navi | Hehe | 20:55 |
| Navi | Gouge your eyes out as prevention | 20:56 |
| n800n | do all imageviewers need to proload image folders? is there one that doesn't need to? | 20:56 |
| n800n | preload* | 20:56 |
| n800n | canola has been updating the library for abput 5 minutes, starting to think it's no the best for this | 20:57 |
| n800n | i have a few thousand pics tho | 20:57 |
| zap | the idea to have a database of everything is faulty | 20:57 |
| johnx | maybe quiver? or the builtin image viewer? | 20:57 |
| zap | I can organize my folders pretty much without the help of any app | 20:58 |
| johnx | I miss gqview on any platform that doesn't have it | 20:58 |
| n800n | quiver seemd lighter, i'll try that | 20:58 |
| zap | Is there any way to stop WiFi from becoming painfully slow when I ssh into the tablet? It works fine (mostly) when I connect from N810, but when doing the reverse it seems that it goes to sleep pretty early. | 20:58 |
| Robot101 | zap: leave a ping running | 20:59 |
| Robot101 | zap: the problem is the wifi antenna only turns on when the tablet is sending data, or replying to stuff | 20:59 |
| a_l_e | how's kilikali? | 20:59 |
| zap | is that a hardware thing? | 21:00 |
| johnx | test if lowering the power savings has an effect? | 21:00 |
| Robot101 | zap: so it seems unresponsive to incoming stuff unless you cause the device to keep sending periodically | 21:00 |
| zap | I even tried to do "iwconfig wlan0 power off" | 21:00 |
| zap | but it doesn't help | 21:00 |
| RST38h | btw, built in Maemo image viewer chokes on large jpegs | 21:00 |
| johnx | why not just try the UI power settings? | 21:00 |
| RST38h | says out of memory and dies or something like this | 21:00 |
| zap | jobecause they don't work | 21:00 |
| johnx | really? | 21:00 |
| zap | well, what settings do you mean | 21:01 |
| zap | maybe I tried the wrong stuff | 21:01 |
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| zap | Wifi icon -> Connection settings? | 21:01 |
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| johnx | under the specific network settings in advanced | 21:02 |
| johnx | power saving: on (maximum) | 21:02 |
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| zap | in control panel? | 21:02 |
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| johnx | control panel -> connectivity -> connections -> your-network-name -> edit -> next x3 -> advanced | 21:03 |
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| zap | huh, haven't found those | 21:04 |
| zap | thank you, I'll try | 21:04 |
| johnx | sure, I haven't played with them much either, because my tablet plays nice with my AP | 21:05 |
| zap | and still, how one would ping something? the 'ping' from busybox keeps telling me that I don't have enough priviledges :) | 21:05 |
| johnx | become root :) | 21:05 |
| a_l_e | i'll first try kilikali, first... it's 400Kb against 20Mb! | 21:05 |
| zap | how? su tells me that its not a suid binary, and making busybox suid root is idiocy :) | 21:06 |
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| johnx | nitapps.com -> easyroot | 21:07 |
| johnx | or google for becomeroot | 21:07 |
| johnx | or set your tablet into r&d mode | 21:07 |
| n800n | hm quiver is fast | 21:07 |
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| n800n | but it doesn't automatically flip images | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | Borland kaput | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Took awfully long | 21:10 |
| johnx | they're still around? | 21:10 |
| a_l_e | well, kilikali won't do... it can't recursive add songs... | 21:10 |
| Navi | johnx, or you could ssh into yourself | 21:10 |
| johnx | or that, yes | 21:11 |
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| * Navi is too lazy to install easyroot | 21:11 | |
| johnx | yeah, the clicking on things is tough | 21:11 |
| Navi | iknorite? | 21:12 |
| * lcuk waves an easyeasyrootinstall link at navi :P | 21:12 | |
| * Navi cries | 21:12 | |
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| lcuk | navi - is sshing yourself in public legal in your country? | 21:12 |
| Navi | lol | 21:12 |
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| zap | Ah, what a relief to work with WiFi power saving turned off :))) | 21:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: They spun off their dev tools as CodeGear subsidiary a while ago | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i just whisper my wifi around | 21:13 |
| lcuk | no point in shouting | 21:13 |
| Navi | Some routers are deaf | 21:13 |
| * johnx forgot how awesome rotation was | 21:13 | |
| RST38h | johnx: And just sold it to some seocnd tier db maker for $20m+ | 21:13 |
| Navi | whispering is not enough | 21:13 |
| lcuk | get then a hearing aid | 21:13 |
| Navi | johnx, indeed it is | 21:13 |
| lcuk | pringles can or wok | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | wifi whisperer? | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 21:14 |
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| Navi | Heh, I was going to retort with who the hell carries a wok | 21:14 |
| Navi | But I have >_> | 21:14 |
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| johnx | mmm...stirfry | 21:15 |
| lcuk | would you like tcp with that? | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | banana/ip | 21:15 |
| johnx | heh..."you down with tcp? yeah you know me!" | 21:16 |
| Navi | >_> | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | i tried banana/ip but the SLIP was too great | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | too much friction on the packets and you overheat your router | 21:17 |
| zap | Another newbie question: are there curl/wget/lftp and other great cmdline tools for OS 2008? | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | zap: yes | 21:17 |
| zap | what repository? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | offs, internet dying, must be a monkey around | 21:17 |
| johnx | zap, gronmayer.com/it | 21:17 |
| zap | thank you | 21:17 |
| johnx | lcuk, netcraft confirms, the internet is dying? | 21:18 |
| Navi | lcuk, bai | 21:18 |
| * lcuk puts 50p into virgins slot | 21:18 | |
| * KotCzarny eats another banana and smiles innocently | 21:18 | |
| lcuk | ahhh well, irc appears to work, but there must be something big inside virgin | 21:19 |
| lcuk | internet tubes are blocked | 21:19 |
| RST38h | that must be a turd you are talking about. | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | do a mallox | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | i dunno why but its all dead :'( | 21:21 |
| * lcuk mourns internet | 21:21 | |
| lcuk | johnx i tried to check netcraft but they have died as well | 21:21 |
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| johnx | lcuk, DNS issues? routing issues? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | nahhh, girlfriend trouble | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 21:22 |
| lcuk | the missus started some torrents | 21:22 |
| johnx | ah, QoS is your answer :) | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | do some throttling? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i stopped then and am rebooting the router - it dies occasionally | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | install openwrt? | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:23 |
| johnx | yeah, crappy routers tend to cope poorly with thousands of open NAT connections | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i do, but i think the little thing gets its knickers in a twist | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | its strange how irc continued tho | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | irc can keep up during coups of state and iraq wars | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:24 |
| johnx | it already had a spot in the tablet allocated | 21:24 |
| johnx | s/tablet/table/g | 21:24 |
| infobot | johnx meant: it already had a spot in the table allocated | 21:24 |
| johnx | my brains auto-complete needs to get wiped O_o | 21:24 |
| lcuk | ahh well its come right back | 21:24 |
| lcuk | no need to even reboot , curious | 21:25 |
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| vitorbaptista | Hi, I am doing something wrong or it's really hard to take the n800's battery out? | 21:25 |
| johnx | it's difficult | 21:26 |
| Navi | At first, it's hard | 21:26 |
| johnx | either hold it upside town and smack it gently | 21:26 |
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| johnx | or pry from the end without the contacts with a credit card | 21:26 |
| lcuk | on 810 it falls out | 21:26 |
| Navi | It gets easier after doing it a few times | 21:26 |
| vitorbaptista | hum | 21:26 |
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| vitorbaptista | let me try the credit card... | 21:26 |
| vitorbaptista | my nails aren't hard enough | 21:27 |
| Navi | It's safe to smack it :P | 21:27 |
| johnx | ...and more fun | 21:27 |
| X-Fade | I always tap it on the front.. | 21:27 |
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| vitorbaptista | it went easily with the CC :P | 21:27 |
| vitorbaptista | thanks | 21:27 |
| vitorbaptista | uh | 21:27 |
| vitorbaptista | btw | 21:27 |
| lcuk | vitorbaptista, you are right, and as a result of swiping it near your camera the number is now uploaded | 21:27 |
| vitorbaptista | There's no identification number | 21:27 |
| lcuk | under the battery, not just under the cover | 21:28 |
| Navi | really? | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | lcuk: lol | 21:28 |
| johnx | it's next to the SD card slot | 21:28 |
| Navi | It's on a sticker next to the ^ | 21:28 |
| johnx | not under the battery | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | Navi: Yes... it's only "Void if removed" | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | hum | 21:28 |
| Navi | WLAN: | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | duh | 21:28 |
| johnx | :D | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | yea, it's near the SD card | 21:28 |
| lcuk | i hate stickers that say "VO OVED" | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | about 20min lost trying to take the battery off | 21:28 |
| vitorbaptista | lol | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | wlan: void if removed | 21:29 |
| Navi | lol | 21:29 |
| johnx | I just arping my tablet when I need to know :) | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | vitorbaptista: try pulling other end? | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:30 |
| vitorbaptista | Can I go from the oldest OS 2007 to the newer OS 2008? Or I have to go step by step? | 21:30 |
| johnx | all reflashes are complete replacements | 21:30 |
| johnx | just go to the latest | 21:30 |
| KotCzarny | complete reflash | 21:30 |
| vitorbaptista | great, downloading | 21:31 |
| johnx | you've backed up everything you want to keep, right? | 21:31 |
| vitorbaptista | johnx: Sure... that is... uhm... | 21:31 |
| vitorbaptista | nothing | 21:31 |
| vitorbaptista | :P | 21:31 |
| vitorbaptista | Just bought it yesterday | 21:31 |
| n800n | is there anything else other than quiver? | 21:31 |
| johnx | just making sure :) | 21:31 |
| vitorbaptista | thanks :P | 21:31 |
| johnx | n800n, mirage and mediabox | 21:31 |
| n800n | i think mediabox indexes beforehand too, i'll try mirage | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | and of course canola | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:32 |
| vitorbaptista | Isn't there a good emulator for mega drive games to maemo? | 21:32 |
| n800n | the builtin viewer is pretty good to | 21:32 |
| vitorbaptista | no one ported yet? | 21:32 |
| n800n | canola is the slowest so far, also the prettiest | 21:33 |
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| a_l_e | i'm trying ukmp... it's indexing :-( | 21:37 |
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| MajMin7 | hey, I'm trying to figure out how to get an application to run on my N810 target device | 21:44 |
| MajMin7 | it works in scratchbox | 21:44 |
| MajMin7 | I have compiled it for ARM | 21:45 |
| MajMin7 | but I can't figure out how to "install from file" in application manager | 21:45 |
| MajMin7 | I cant find the file! | 21:45 |
| MajMin7 | can anyone point me in the right direction? | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | make a .deb | 21:46 |
| MajMin7 | ahh | 21:46 |
| MajMin7 | i was afraid that was the answer | 21:46 |
| johnx | if it's just a binary copy it over directly and run it in place | 21:46 |
| lcuk | or if its testing just copy over and setup the required structure yourself | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | or just copy files to /usr/local | 21:47 |
| johnx | no need to install it just to test it | 21:47 |
| MajMin7 | well | 21:47 |
| MajMin7 | i copied it over and then ran it from the terminal | 21:47 |
| MajMin7 | and it just spit out random ascii text | 21:47 |
| MajMin7 | didnt run | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | if you first built it for x86 make sure you make clean then rebuild it | 21:47 |
| MajMin7 | ohhhhhh | 21:48 |
| lcuk | i fell into that trap exactly once, from that day forewards i have never compiled anything in scratchbox for x86 | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:49 |
| MajMin7 | lol | 21:49 |
| MajMin7 | let me see if that does it | 21:49 |
| * KotCzarny didn't compile for x86 in sbox even once | 21:49 | |
| * lcuk was young and following instructions | 21:50 | |
| lcuk | (well not so young, but still not a duffer) | 21:51 |
| zap | What filesystem is the best to use on internal 2Gb card? I hate FAT and I don't use windos anyways | 21:51 |
| lcuk | you should have your own impression of what you prefer then | 21:51 |
| Navi | I built a WM once in x86 to test it out | 21:52 |
| johnx | zap, ext2 or ext3 is fine | 21:52 |
| zap | yep, but there are no fs tools on nokia :) | 21:52 |
| zap | can't find mkfs.ext2 | 21:52 |
| johnx | it isn't installed by default | 21:52 |
| zap | what package is it? | 21:52 |
| zap | apt-cache search doesn't want to tell me | 21:52 |
| johnx | like ext2fsprogs or something | 21:52 |
| zap | aha | 21:52 |
| johnx | gronmayer.com/it has your answers once again :) | 21:52 |
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| zap | :)) | 21:53 |
| zap | its soooo big, much too big to grok in one evening | 21:53 |
| johnx | definitely | 21:53 |
| * lcuk has being trying to understand his tiny device for almost 6 months now | 21:53 | |
| KotCzarny | 6 months? | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 21:53 |
| lcuk | yer, got it 21dec | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | you have it longer than me | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:54 |
| johnx | good resources: downloads.maemo.org , internettablettalk.com/forums , gronmayer.com/it | 21:54 |
| zap | I can laugh in the face of the guys that will tell me that there's no software for n810 now | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: also maemo.org and google.com | 21:54 |
| lcuk | yer but you had linux experience before | 21:54 |
| lcuk | my next device wont take me so long to grapple :) | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | and you had windows experience | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | lol @ lag factor | 21:55 |
| vitorbaptista | For flashing to the new OS 2008 I just need to copy the .bin to the SD Card in my n800 and execute it, right? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | :) i have a lot of catching up to do code wise, im starting to see things forming as they are meant to | 21:56 |
| johnx | vitorbaptista, nope: google "flashing maemo from linux" | 21:56 |
| lcuk | vitorbaptista, no, there is a linux or windows based flashing tool | 21:56 |
| vitorbaptista | ty | 21:56 |
| lsobral | n800n, where are you noticing the slowdown in loading pictures in canola? Is it in the thumb screen while generating thumbs? | 21:56 |
| vitorbaptista | Looking for it | 21:56 |
| johnx | aahaha! tap+hold right click in xfce4 works | 21:57 |
| n800n | updating the media library takes forever | 21:57 |
| johnx | :D | 21:57 |
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| lsobral | n800n, that is related to scanning your media library through light media scanner, which canola uses | 21:57 |
| MajMin7 | HA! | 21:58 |
| MajMin7 | got it | 21:58 |
| MajMin7 | thats perfect | 21:58 |
| MajMin7 | I dont care about making a .deb | 21:58 |
| MajMin7 | it took me 2.5 days to build the environment, compile hello world, and execute it on the target | 21:58 |
| MajMin7 | 12 hour days, too! | 21:58 |
| Navi | >_> | 21:59 |
| MajMin7 | ridiculous | 21:59 |
| johnx | well, you're up to speed now. It's all easier from here | 21:59 |
| lsobral | n800n, but lightmediascanner is pretty fast in the average case, this may be a bug scanning some files in your library that may be slowing the whole process down | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | lsobral: maybe 3000x2000 files? :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, :) it gets easier from here on in | 21:59 |
| n800n | these are a lot of files though | 21:59 |
| n800n | a few thousand | 22:00 |
| MajMin7 | so i have another question: is there somewhere that I can find example code for using the GPS? I haven't been able to find that yet | 22:00 |
| MajMin7 | is that available in a repository? | 22:00 |
| n800n | all in all they'll be about 25,000 jpeg+gif | 22:00 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, wait there | 22:00 |
| flo_lap | re | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | hi flo | 22:00 |
| lsobral | yeah, that is lots of images :) | 22:00 |
| n800n | yup | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | MajMin7, still waiting? | 22:03 |
| MajMin7 | ? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | MajMin7, am just trying to get a lock on the gps code | 22:03 |
| MajMin7 | oh | 22:04 |
| MajMin7 | im in no hurry | 22:04 |
| lcuk | good job really with 810 gps | 22:04 |
| MajMin7 | ? | 22:05 |
| MajMin7 | its a decent gps? | 22:05 |
| MajMin7 | or the interface? | 22:05 |
| lcuk | its a bit slow getting up to speed | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | once its locked its ok | 22:06 |
| lcuk | try http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007/ and from there https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-saver/ and probably loads more :) | 22:06 |
| vitorbaptista | wow | 22:08 |
| vitorbaptista | OS 2008 looks so better | 22:08 |
| n800n | i just talked to a guy who lost his laptop and he's working off his iphone | 22:08 |
| n800n | iphone pfffffft | 22:08 |
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| n800n | i didn't say that cause he just hired me for a gig but that's what i was thinking | 22:08 |
| kulve | MajMin7: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't matter as long he gets his job done, right? | 22:09 |
| n800n | yeah | 22:09 |
| n800n | he's a producer so i'm assuming it was a mac | 22:09 |
| n800n | double pffft. | 22:09 |
| n800n | well half a pfft since i'm on one now | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:10 |
| n800n | but at least i'm running windows on it | 22:10 |
| johnx | heh...macs are fine | 22:10 |
| n800n | so i'm 1337 | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | win on mac is a 1298749071501xPFT | 22:10 |
| vitorbaptista | 1337 for running windows? :P | 22:10 |
| johnx | it's just bsd with a candy-coated GUI | 22:10 |
| vitorbaptista | lol | 22:10 |
| n800n | not just windows | 22:10 |
| n800n | windows on a mac | 22:10 |
| Navi | OS X is fine | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | osx sucks | 22:11 |
| Navi | It's Apple I have a problem with | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | osux | 22:11 |
| n800n | same | 22:11 |
| lcuk | n800n, not just windows? you mean windows vista? | 22:11 |
| vitorbaptista | n800n: even worse :P | 22:11 |
| n800n | no, xp | 22:11 |
| n800n | whatever man. | 22:11 |
| n800n | i think it's pretty sweet | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | wasnt there something recently that said the fastest windows hardware was apple? | 22:12 |
| n800n | yeah | 22:12 |
| n800n | i do media production so i can't switch to linux cause of that | 22:12 |
| n800n | i woud if i could | 22:12 |
| lcuk | keep with what works :) | 22:12 |
| vitorbaptista | n800n: Tell that to Dreamworks :X | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | but don't advertise it as better | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:12 |
| n800n | dreamworks? | 22:13 |
| n800n | they probably use inux boxes for rendering | 22:13 |
| vitorbaptista | nope | 22:13 |
| n800n | which is more like a workhorse thing, not a creative thing | 22:13 |
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| vitorbaptista | not only... :P | 22:13 |
| vitorbaptista | shrek 3, etc, were all in linux... | 22:13 |
| vitorbaptista | from creation to rendering | 22:13 |
| lcuk | you gotta admit thou, shrek isnt made to look pretty :P | 22:14 |
| n800n | what about video editing | 22:14 |
| vitorbaptista | n800n: http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9865829-16.html | 22:14 |
| vitorbaptista | n800n: I am a programmer, so I can't tell much about this... | 22:15 |
| vitorbaptista | but | 22:15 |
| MajMin7 | kluve: just got back | 22:15 |
| MajMin7 | saw the link | 22:15 |
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| vitorbaptista | if an enterprise as big as dreamworks use it, they must have a reason... | 22:15 |
| n800n | i think in theory there are plenty of video apps on linux but they're not very intuitive | 22:15 |
| lcuk | that is not due to linux, that is simply due to the right developers havent seen a need to switch yet | 22:16 |
| a_l_e | mmmh... ukmp is nice to look at, but, well... not really what i was looking for. | 22:16 |
| johnx | I think dreamworks uses a lot of inhouse stuff. | 22:17 |
| n800n | well the standard for the video editing gui was set by avid, which are the biggest assholes in the closed software market | 22:17 |
| jldiaz | a_l_e: canola? | 22:17 |
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| n800n | but the thing is it's a pretty good standard | 22:17 |
| jldiaz | what are you looking for? | 22:17 |
| johnx | a_l_e, youamp maybe? | 22:18 |
| a_l_e | jldiaz: either... that's a full blown media player. | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | xmms? | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:18 |
| n800n | i'll rant some other time | 22:18 |
| jldiaz | mplayer? | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | playfilelist? | 22:18 |
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| KotCzarny | (ncurses frontend to mplayer) | 22:18 |
| a_l_e | jldiaz: i'm just looking for a program with which i can browse some folders, it may show me the id tags of the current folder and i can play ogg and mp3. | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | a_l_e: xmms | 22:19 |
| a_l_e | ... if possible, not a program which automatically browses all my sd cards! | 22:19 |
| a_l_e | mmmh... xmms... | 22:19 |
| jldiaz | heh | 22:19 |
| a_l_e | it was not in the repositories i've already loaded... | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | a_l_e: just get a .deb and install it | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:20 |
| jldiaz | if you dont dare using command-line for "browsing", mplayer could be a choice | 22:20 |
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| a_l_e | i like the command line... but not really on the it | 22:22 |
| lcuk | well since everything has some kind of emulator or run env. can i get windows explorer? | 22:22 |
| johnx | what should I take screenshots of in debian for the n800? | 22:22 |
| Navi | desktop | 22:22 |
| Navi | control panel | 22:22 |
| Jon | johnx: import -window root screenshot.png (import in package imagemagick) | 22:22 |
| Jon | a_l_e: it's not ideal w/o a real keyboard | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | jon: he asked what people would like to see | 22:23 |
| Navi | Uh... I don't know what else | 22:23 |
| johnx | I just use xwd :) | 22:23 |
| Jon | ah | 22:23 |
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| KotCzarny | johnx: do a idle battery-rundown test | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:23 |
| Jon | yes, that would be very useful | 22:23 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I wouldn't dream of stealing that honor from you :) | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | i can provide you with a script (assuming you have a /dev/retu) | 22:23 |
| a_l_e | the program i've found and somehow does what i need, is snackamp... but there seem to be no port for maemo (and on my normal computer it's all about ogg123 and mpg123 :-) | 22:24 |
| Jon | I think I've pretty much decided that to get the n800 perfect to my needs I need to start from debian and not it2008 | 22:24 |
| johnx | ah, and I promised someone a shot of evolution | 22:25 |
| Navi | yeah | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | 'shot of evolution' | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | that's harsh | 22:25 |
| johnx | heh | 22:26 |
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| johnx | jeez, getting a ton of earthquakes here tonight O_o | 22:27 |
| Navi | mmm | 22:27 |
| Navi | the world is coming to an end | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | where is here? | 22:27 |
| Navi | Japan | 22:27 |
| lcuk | define here | 22:27 |
| lcuk | ahh | 22:27 |
| johnx | Yokohama, Japan | 22:27 |
| lcuk | godzilla attack? | 22:27 |
| johnx | check out the map: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php | 22:27 |
| Navi | Lmfao | 22:27 |
| johnx | I swear he's surfacing off the coast or something O_o | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | it's 'he' ? | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | i always thought it's a 'she' | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:28 |
| lcuk | theres a fat kid in america doing exersizes | 22:28 |
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| johnx | heh...yeah well he fell into the pacific then, and he's jumping up and down 90km off the coast | 22:29 |
| n800n | nessie? | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | wrong continent | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | (and culture myths) | 22:30 |
| vitorbaptista | see y'all | 22:30 |
| n800n | http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/nessie.jpg | 22:30 |
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| zap | hahaha, I moved /home to mmc2 and after reboot I've got the default gtk look of all widgets, and the mouse cursor visible :) | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: shopped | 22:32 |
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| lcdd | zap: did you forget dotfiles? | 22:32 |
| n800n | haha no! | 22:32 |
| zap | nope | 22:32 |
| zap | but it seems that mmc2 is mounted after maemo gets started | 22:32 |
| johnx | sounds likely | 22:33 |
| jott | KotCzarny: it's "gimped" not "shopped" in here! :p | 22:33 |
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| KotCzarny | |> Beetlejuice Theme | 22:34 |
| zap | hmm, /etc/fstab contains an entry for my external SD card, but no entry for the build-in SD | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | zap: fstab is ignored anyway | 22:34 |
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| KotCzarny | by nokia's scripts | 22:34 |
| zap | aha | 22:34 |
| pupnik | nice n800n | 22:34 |
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| zap | why they write to fstab then? | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 22:34 |
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| zap | legacy stuff it seems :) | 22:34 |
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| jott | we all know it's not LSB but it's NSB the nokia standard base | 22:35 |
| zap | :)) | 22:35 |
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| KotCzarny | offtopic, anyone used usb sound card in linux ? | 22:35 |
| zap | well at least they converged with gtk | 22:36 |
| jott | KotCzarny: yes i've one on my router :) | 22:36 |
| jott | works like a charm | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | jott: have you experienced lags when switching songs etc. ? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | looking like big buffers etc. | 22:36 |
| jott | hm not really, using mpd via oss | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | i'm using mplayer, and while seeking is ok, switching songs takes ~4-6s | 22:37 |
| n800n | man quiver is almost perfect. are there any devs here working on it? | 22:37 |
| jott | i use this - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5831 really great for the price | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | jott: hmm, interesting, it works with linux without problems? | 22:38 |
| jott | KotCzarny: yes openwrt out of the box (after ipkg install bla) | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | what are usb vid:pid of this? | 22:39 |
| jott | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.624 oh actually it's this one.. | 22:39 |
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| jott | don't know if they differ | 22:39 |
| jott | mom checking ids | 22:39 |
| jott | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0c76:1605 JMTek, LLC. | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | Your search - 0c76:1605 - did not match any documents. | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:40 |
| zap | Hmm, how do I manage to get /home on mmc2, but have it visible through USB... | 22:40 |
| jott | oO should be atleast at linux-usb.org id list ;) | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | zap: not going to happen | 22:40 |
| zap | why? | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | zap: just use sshfs | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | jott: yeah | 22:40 |
| zap | I would like to have my home on a persistent storage | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | jott: send a report for devs? :) | 22:41 |
| zap | to avoid losing it on reflashes | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | zap: clone os to mmc | 22:41 |
| jott | KotCzarny: works fine and is detected fine so ... :) | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | jott: yeah, but thx for info it works with linux | 22:41 |
| zap | the whole OS? | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | i was reluctant because i haven't seen any reports | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | zap: yeah, that's what i have | 22:41 |
| DaniloCesar | andrunko, Do you have an address for your .git instead of gitweb? (about QT Keyboard for maemo ) | 22:42 |
| zap | how do you make it start from there? | 22:42 |
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| KotCzarny | zap: fanoush initfs | 22:42 |
| zap | got the idea | 22:42 |
| zap | although I don't know who's fanoush | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | some hacker | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | but it works | 22:42 |
| zap | so kernel & initrd still starts from ROM | 22:42 |
| zap | well thats a bit more than I wanted :) | 22:43 |
| zap | I'll try to mount mmc2 early in rcS | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | zap: you are asking for troubles | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:43 |
| zap | sure :) | 22:43 |
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| zap | thats why I bought Nokia for | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | |> NTranceFeatRodStewart - DaYaThinkImSexy (ViperTransObjekt) | 22:43 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi | 22:44 |
| Navi | hi | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: is it duplex device? | 22:45 |
| DaniloCesar | andrunko, I'd founded... thanks | 22:46 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i'm trying to select event in a sql database, how can i include reccuring event ? does doing it in sqlite or doing it in the code (python) ? what is the more efficient ways ? | 22:46 |
| jott | KotCzarny: never tested if it does full duplex but it has a mic imput. i just use it to have music in the kitchen (controlled via n810 yay! :) | 22:47 |
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| zap | by the way, how to access the serial port on Nokia? | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | jott: heh, it could be a great way for a speakerphone in the kitchen | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:47 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | there is no serial rs232 port | 22:47 |
| zap | sad, such a handy thing :) | 22:48 |
| johnx | usb -> rs232 | 22:48 |
| zap | a real rs232 is better :) | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | bt -- rs232 ? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:49 |
| zap | even worse :) | 22:49 |
| jott | KotCzarny: heh yeah maybe. could even be used for voip :).. well just order it - it costs basically nothing :) | 22:49 |
| zap | a real rs232 is available immediately after kernel startup | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | jott: yeah, i like free shipping option :) | 22:49 |
| zap | bt and usb needs tricky setup first | 22:49 |
| zap | /dev/ttyS0 is working | 22:50 |
| zap | so actually there *is* a rs232 | 22:50 |
| zap | umm, maybe that's bluetooth | 22:50 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | arg no To_days() function in sqlite | 22:53 |
| jott | zap: under the battery are pins from which two *should* be tx/rx but i don't know if their assignment is known | 22:53 |
| zap | jott: interesting | 22:53 |
| jott | (know to the comunity that is :) | 22:53 |
| jott | known | 22:53 |
| * jott smacks keyboard | 22:54 | |
| n800n | at least you have a keyboard. | 22:54 |
| jott | hehe not much longer ;) | 22:54 |
| n800n | if i throw the stylus i'm screwed | 22:54 |
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| jott | you can always use your nose :) | 22:55 |
| n800n | i do have a weird nose but i'm no michael jackson | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | or nails | 22:55 |
| zap | aha, mounting is handled by HAL | 22:55 |
| n800n | n800 wishlist: bogger screen so my nose can do better callibration | 22:55 |
| n800n | bogger. | 22:56 |
| n800n | :/ | 22:56 |
| n800n | time to stop typing | 22:56 |
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| n800n | laters | 22:56 |
| zap | bah, /etc/init.d/ttyusb0 starts a serial console on an RS232-to-USB cable, if found | 22:56 |
| AStorm | hmm, hsd OMWeather recently ceased to work for you? | 22:57 |
| AStorm | s/hsd/has/ | 22:57 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: hmm, has OMWeather recently ceased to work for you? | 22:57 |
| jott | zap: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ there are some infos about the 770 serial port | 22:57 |
| Capn_Fish | johnx: Still here? | 22:57 |
| johnx | yeah | 22:57 |
| Capn_Fish | cool | 22:58 |
| johnx | got right click working | 22:58 |
| johnx | much easier than I thought | 22:58 |
| zap | cool | 22:58 |
| Capn_Fish | Great! | 22:58 |
| zap | it's 3.3V but neverless... | 22:58 |
| Capn_Fish | Using gtkmousethingy? | 22:58 |
| johnx | yeah | 22:58 |
| johnx | so only for gtk apps | 22:58 |
| Capn_Fish | ;( | 22:58 |
| johnx | but if people want to install something else they can figure it out | 22:58 |
| Capn_Fish | I see. | 22:58 |
| Capn_Fish | I'll just have to finish my hacking, then :) | 22:58 |
| johnx | yes. please, hack on this | 22:59 |
| Capn_Fish | Will do, once I get it booting :) | 22:59 |
| jott | zap: yeah just get a max232 :) | 22:59 |
| johnx | I'll probably clean it up and release it tomorrow or the next day | 22:59 |
| Capn_Fish | I'll be waiting | 23:00 |
| johnx | screen rotation works great, too :) | 23:00 |
| Capn_Fish | I kind of consider that a party favor, like KDE: not so useful, but cool nonetheless | 23:00 |
| Capn_Fish | Not to demean your work, of course | 23:00 |
| johnx | it was one of those convenience things. I was there and it took like 5 minutes to repackage | 23:00 |
| Capn_Fish | Ya. I know the feeling. | 23:01 |
| johnx | nah, not my work at all, just a quick repackage job | 23:01 |
| johnx | in fact, this is really *all* a collection of other people's work | 23:01 |
| Capn_Fish | So are many projects | 23:01 |
| Capn_Fish | But it's still work, and much appreciated | 23:01 |
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| johnx | anyways, sound won't happen for this release, but maybe I'll try and get together some way to configure wireless graphically | 23:02 |
| zap | how rc*.d directories are handled in OS 2008? | 23:02 |
| johnx | zap, same as debian | 23:02 |
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| zap | unfortunately, I'm a RedHat fan :) | 23:02 |
| zap | what commands? | 23:02 |
| johnx | aaah, update-rc.d maybe? | 23:03 |
| Capn_Fish | Not an issue for me. I don't use sound anyway, nor do I use a GUI for wireless config | 23:03 |
| zap | aha | 23:03 |
| zap | thank you :) | 23:03 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, Right, but lots of people do, including me :) | 23:03 |
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| Capn_Fish | Ya. It will make it more appealing to the masses. I'm just trying to show that I don't mind using (pre-)beta software as my main OS | 23:04 |
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| johnx | the big deal breaker is that display blanking will have to be CLI only and battery life will probably be reduced to <3 hours unless you actually turn it all the way off | 23:04 |
| Capn_Fish | Just like a regular comp | 23:05 |
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| Capn_Fish | Why can't you blank the display in X? | 23:05 |
| johnx | no DPMS support in this build of xomap | 23:05 |
| johnx | and rebuilding it seems like a pain | 23:05 |
| Capn_Fish | Is xomap a pain to rebuild? | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:06 |
| Capn_Fish | Fair enough | 23:06 |
| johnx | well ok, then | 23:06 |
| johnx | that would be a great thing to do then :) | 23:06 |
| Capn_Fish | Is it just a scratchbox build? | 23:06 |
| johnx | there are DPMS patches hanging around somewhere too | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:06 |
| Capn_Fish | I can do it if that's the case and have sources | 23:06 |
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| KotCzarny | capn: apt-get source xorg-server | 23:08 |
| Capn_Fish | And if I don't use Debian...? | 23:08 |
| johnx | this might provide DPMS support or set your tablet on fire: http://pastebin.com/m78b630da | 23:08 |
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| KotCzarny | capn: scratchbox's command | 23:08 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, scratchbox uses apt-get :) | 23:08 |
| Capn_Fish | Gotcha | 23:09 |
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| Capn_Fish | I'll try it when Aleph One finishes building | 23:09 |
| johnx | cool | 23:09 |
| Capn_Fish | Is this Debian build going to have the Maemo interface, or will it be CLI? | 23:09 |
| johnx | xfce, by popular request | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: add fluxbox as an option too? | 23:10 |
| Capn_Fish | Nice, so I can just remove Xfce and build up from essentially the CLI? | 23:10 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, if you want fluxbox, run apt-get install fluxbox | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:10 |
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| Capn_Fish | More to the point, will it be like OS2008, in that if you kill X, it shuts down? | 23:11 |
| johnx | definitely not | 23:11 |
| Capn_Fish | Great! That's really irritating | 23:11 |
| johnx | the only evidence of that god forsaken watchdog is that if you suspend it will die in 60 seconds | 23:11 |
| johnx | you could use flasher to kill it for good and suspend all you want though :) | 23:11 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 23:12 |
| Capn_Fish | What? | 23:12 |
| johnx | something like flasher --disable-wd-reboot or somesuch | 23:12 |
| Capn_Fish | What do you mean about the 60 seconds thing? | 23:12 |
| johnx | it pings the device and certain apps every 30 seconds and if they don't respond in 60 it reboots | 23:13 |
| Capn_Fish | Ahh, gotcha | 23:13 |
| johnx | it's Nokia's idea to keep you from being stuck with a hung machine | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't forget to bring a towel! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/36692?nohighlight=1#36692 | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: reset button would be nicer.. | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:13 |
| lcuk | hi gen, not seen you floating around for a while | 23:14 |
| Capn_Fish | That even effects Debian? | 23:14 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, yes | 23:14 |
| Capn_Fish | Most unfortunate. | 23:14 |
| Capn_Fish | I will have to look into that. | 23:14 |
| johnx | for lack of a better method, the debian boot process is: kernel -> nokia initrd -> debian /sbin/init | 23:14 |
| johnx | if you don't use the nokia initrd you lose battery charging :) | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm at home | 23:15 |
| Capn_Fish | That may be an issue. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC hasn't been a priority. ;) | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just got my old Quicksilver back up to speed anyway. | 23:15 |
| johnx | you can run the battery daemon manually if you want | 23:15 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:15 |
| lcuk | have you given any more nokias away then this time | 23:15 |
| n800n | <belve> i learned all my german from wolfenstein 3d | 23:16 |
| Capn_Fish | You can't just add it to the boot process? | 23:16 |
| n800n | misfire | 23:16 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, you could, but you have to muck around with chrooting into Nokia's initrd | 23:16 |
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| Capn_Fish | Nah, I'll just flash the reboot thing out. | 23:17 |
| Capn_Fish | Chrooting is a pain | 23:17 |
| johnx | so I'd have to use a modified kernel that booted directly to SD, chroot back into initrd, run bme in that env, and then continue | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, though I'm about to sell one of my 770s for cheap. ;) | 23:17 |
| Capn_Fish | Not worth it. Flashing the reboot thing out is much simpler | 23:18 |
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| johnx | exactly, and I'd never get people to try debian if they had to flash a different kernel that wouldn't work with OS2008 | 23:18 |
| Capn_Fish | That's one of the major reasons so few people tried pdaXrom r1xx on the Zaurus, IMO. uBoot scared them off. | 23:19 |
| johnx | uboot scared *me* away | 23:19 |
| johnx | and with good reason | 23:19 |
| Capn_Fish | Why? It's near impossible to brick a Z | 23:20 |
| johnx | and yet people have done it with uboot | 23:20 |
| johnx | maybe I just let the horror stories get to me | 23:20 |
| johnx | it just seemed so unnecessary | 23:20 |
| Capn_Fish | I haven't heard of a case of actual bricking | 23:20 |
| Capn_Fish | It IS unnecessary | 23:20 |
| johnx | ah, just people panicing? | 23:21 |
| Capn_Fish | One of the devs foobared his bootloader, and moved to uBoot to compensate | 23:21 |
| johnx | heh | 23:21 |
| johnx | awesome | 23:21 |
| Capn_Fish | Ya, people forget about the Fn+D+M menu stored in ROM | 23:21 |
| Capn_Fish | You can restore your Z from there after doing ANYTHING software-wise | 23:21 |
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| KotCzarny | nokia doesn't have any easy way to restore broken bootloader | 23:22 |
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| Capn_Fish | I have a question for you, before I go too much further with my right-click scheme | 23:22 |
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| johnx | ok | 23:22 |
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| Capn_Fish | If an app is in fullscreen mode, will X still catch events? | 23:22 |
| Capn_Fish | Or will the app get them first? | 23:23 |
| johnx | X or the WM? | 23:23 |
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| Capn_Fish | uh... | 23:23 |
| Capn_Fish | X, I guess | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | x hands events to an app | 23:23 |
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| johnx | well it has to has them, if I understand correctly | 23:23 |
| johnx | *well X has to have | 23:23 |
| Capn_Fish | So if I put the code in X, it should work, but if it's a separate daemon/in the WM, it most likely won't work for fullscreen apps. | 23:24 |
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| Capn_Fish | Yet another reason to rebuild X :) | 23:24 |
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| johnx | well you could have something that's fullscreen all the time | 23:24 |
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| Capn_Fish | I might as well add it to X, if I can figure out where | 23:25 |
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| Capn_Fish | Also know that I've never really used Xlib before, so it would be an adventure to figure out more than I have | 23:26 |
| johnx | I'm not much of a programmer | 23:27 |
| johnx | I just hack on stuff if I'm forced to | 23:27 |
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| Capn_Fish | I'm more the other way around, except not great at either | 23:27 |
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| johnx | anyways, any other simple stuff you think I should clean up before a release? | 23:28 |
| Capn_Fish | Keymapping? | 23:28 |
| johnx | as in? | 23:28 |
| johnx | make a nice keymap for the N810 keyboard? | 23:28 |
| Capn_Fish | the / key requires Fn/shift | 23:28 |
| Capn_Fish | I would, but I don't have Xev | 23:28 |
| johnx | no N810 here :( | 23:28 |
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| Capn_Fish | Hmm. I'll see if I can find the keymap and edit it for you. | 23:29 |
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| Capn_Fish | Where did they put the keymap in OS2008? | 23:32 |
| johnx | good question | 23:32 |
| AStorm | whee, some dead update in extras-devel | 23:32 |
| AStorm | new lms, but no new liblms, which is required | 23:33 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: how's the battery project? | 23:33 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: got almost all needed stuff | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | good | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | any eta ? | 23:34 |
| johnx | battery project? | 23:34 |
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| AStorm | no eta, depends on real life :P | 23:34 |
| AStorm | but quite soon | 23:34 |
| AStorm | probably on next holidays (that is, two weeks?) | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | good | 23:35 |
| johnx | what is this battery project? | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | external battery pack for nokia | 23:36 |
| johnx | ah, fun | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | using 2/3/4 AA | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | nokia + car battery == still lighter than a laptop ;) | 23:36 |
| AStorm | right now 2 | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | |> Leva's Polka (Basshunter Remix - Loituma | 23:36 |
| AStorm | lcuk: car? | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: not true | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | my x32 weighs ~ 3lbs | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:37 |
| AStorm | we need more touchscreens! | 23:38 |
| lcuk | real touch or stylus only? | 23:38 |
| Capn_Fish | Bah, forgot to disable OpenGL in my Aleph One build! Now I need to start over... | 23:38 |
| Capn_Fish | :( | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | real touch | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | of course | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:38 |
| lcuk | cos i think a big bad touch screen would be annoying havign to keep wrist off the surface | 23:38 |
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| Capn_Fish | Back in a bit | 23:40 |
| AStorm | lcuk: that's why we need multitouch | 23:40 |
| AStorm | and good sw | 23:40 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, I'm probably heading to bed soon | 23:40 |
| johnx | good to talk to you :) | 23:41 |
| Capn_Fish | catch you later | 23:41 |
| johnx | Look for an announcement on ITT in the next couple days | 23:41 |
| Capn_Fish | Will do. | 23:41 |
| Capn_Fish | I hope you'll do it in the same Debian thread? | 23:41 |
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| RST38h | Anybody has any idea how to pair gnome fs URLs sent by the file manager with fopen()? | 23:43 |
| AStorm | check mime database :) | 23:43 |
| RST38h | In other words, if I get something like bt:/blablabla/blabla, how do I tell Gnome to load it into a temporary file I can open with fopen()? | 23:44 |
| RST38h | no, mime recognition is done at this point | 23:44 |
| johnx | Capn_Fish, I'll probably start a new thread since it really is quite different | 23:44 |
| RST38h | I am already getting this url via dbus and need to open it, but I only have fopen() in the code | 23:44 |
| johnx | do you think I should use the same thread? | 23:44 |
| Capn_Fish | fair enough. I'll actually have to look then :) | 23:44 |
| lcuk | johnx, make a new one and post a followup at the end of the current thread for ppl watching | 23:45 |
| Capn_Fish | Not really. I just didn't have to actually look at the forums as opposed to just using my bookmark | 23:45 |
| AStorm | RST38h: hmm, there was a file only toggle in mime db | 23:45 |
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| AStorm | i think | 23:45 |
| johnx | ah, good points luck and Capn_Fish | 23:45 |
| RST38h | I can't toggle things - I am getting them from Nokia's File Manager =) | 23:45 |
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| RST38h | But there just SHOULD be some wrapper that downloads those URLs into tmp and returns temp file name? | 23:46 |
| rm_you | johnx: announcement of what? :P | 23:46 |
| johnx | rm_you, new debian sooooooooon | 23:46 |
| rm_you | :P | 23:46 |
| rm_you | significantly more useful than the last one? :P | 23:46 |
| johnx | yes | 23:46 |
| johnx | I'm just going to have it boot into xfce | 23:47 |
| johnx | right click works and there's a decent browser | 23:47 |
| rm_you | :P | 23:47 |
| rm_you | how much work was that? | 23:47 |
| rm_you | oh, any news on audio support? :P | 23:47 |
| johnx | yup | 23:47 |
| johnx | no audio support | 23:47 |
| johnx | there's your news :P | 23:48 |
| rm_you | <_< | 23:48 |
| rm_you | maybe during summer i can ACTUALLY work on that | 23:48 |
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| rm_you | does it look entirely hopeless? or like it might be solvable? | 23:50 |
| timely | rm_you: did you get your money working? | 23:50 |
| rm_you | IE, are there any actual roadblocks? | 23:50 |
| timely | s/money/menu/ | 23:50 |
| infobot | timely meant: rm_you: did you get your menu working? | 23:50 |
| rm_you | timely: haven't had time yet :/ | 23:50 |
| rm_you | I have a final in 2 hours :P | 23:50 |
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| johnx | rm_you, it's definitely possible to hack sound into working I *think* | 23:50 |
| rm_you | and I ran out of computer science classes last semester, which means i'm stuck with random "liberal arts" classes that I actually need to study for | 23:51 |
| rm_you | johnx: sweet. I look forward to it :) | 23:51 |
| johnx | I don't know how motivated I'll be to work on it though, TBH | 23:51 |
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| rm_you | s/to it/to working on it/ | 23:52 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: johnx: sweet. I look forward to working on it :) | 23:52 |
| johnx | :D | 23:52 |
| rm_you | XD | 23:52 |
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| elb | johnx: nice, "definitely ... I *think*" ;-) | 23:53 |
| johnx | heh | 23:53 |
| johnx | well I definitely think it's possible, that's all I'm saying :) | 23:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:54 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10813 | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | :D i phone gets wood. | 23:58 |
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| KotCzarny | looks.. fragile | 23:59 |
| lcuk | perhaps it saw a nokia seductively sliding open to reveal its full keyboard | 23:59 |
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| Cptnodegard | stupid fishperson has been triggering my nickalert all day -.- | 23:59 |
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