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| evaryont_ | How do I remove the bottom SD card from my nokia n800? A quick scan of the user guide didn't revail anything. I tried pressing the card in further so maybe a spring would push it out, but that didn't work :/ | 00:51 |
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| nomis | evaryont_: there is no clicking mechanism. Just lift it up a bit and pull it out | 00:57 |
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| cLin | no springs | 00:58 |
| cLin | my card has a little dip so i put my fingernail there and pull it out | 00:58 |
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| zap | Hello guys! I got today this wonderful n810 and I like it a lot, but what makes me worry is that I couldn't get a GPS fix for all the day. Is this a known problem, or its just a defective exemplar? | 01:02 |
| hrw | zap: normal | 01:02 |
| zap | is it supposed to 'work' like this? | 01:02 |
| tank-man | takes like up to 5min to get a signal | 01:03 |
| term-sig | it's depence, my get ready after 5-10 seconds when i`m outside but inside any buildings it takes ages to catch signal.. | 01:03 |
| hrw | zap: gps in n810 was made for phones where it can get additional data from gsm network - 'a' in agps | 01:03 |
| zap | oooh | 01:04 |
| zap | so I have to connect it to a phone? | 01:04 |
| hrw | no | 01:04 |
| jldiaz | nonw and hated problem | 01:04 |
| jldiaz | benh/window refresh | 01:04 |
| benh | ? | 01:05 |
| benh | ah yes, I have this problem too | 01:05 |
| benh | pretty annoying | 01:05 |
| benh | once it's locked, it stays locked fine tho, but it's a pain | 01:05 |
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| zap | hrw: how its supposed to get additional data from GSM then? | 01:05 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i think it still installs to / - not sure | 01:05 |
| pupnik | ar x wesnoth*.deb or dpkg --contents we*.deb | 01:06 |
| pupnik | or ar t rather | 01:06 |
| hrw | zap: it is chip for phones rather but got installed in non-phone | 01:07 |
| hrw | zap: you just have to live wit fact that n810 gps is crap | 01:07 |
| term-sig | what chip it's n95? | 01:07 |
| hrw | benh: once it is locked it does not warrant that it will keep it | 01:07 |
| benh | hrw: it tends to from my experience | 01:08 |
| benh | hrw: in fact, I lost it through the sydney M5 tunnel and it picked it back up quickly when out | 01:08 |
| hrw | benh: last friday I had 250km trip. n810 self-rebooted few times during that. when it got fix it keeped it for some time and then lost for 40-50km to get it back later (if at all) | 01:09 |
| benh | weird | 01:09 |
| hrw | for me n810 as gps device is unreliable too much | 01:10 |
| hrw | not to mention lack of usable navigation software | 01:10 |
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| jldiaz | yes, the gps is the most dissapointing feature of the n810 | 01:12 |
| hrw | gps, os2008, hw keyboard | 01:12 |
| hrw | 3 most dissapointing features of n810 | 01:13 |
| evaryont_ | where are the folders for Documents, Images, Games, etc? | 01:13 |
| jldiaz | I find the keyboard pretty useable | 01:13 |
| hrw | evaryont_: /home/user/.myDocs/ iirc | 01:14 |
| jldiaz | I mean, for typing while standing or holding the tablet, wich is its intended use | 01:14 |
| hrw | jldiaz: rshift==lshift | 01:14 |
| jldiaz | for typing on a table, of course, an usb or bluetooth kb is preferred | 01:15 |
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| zap | I too find the keyboard on my old Zaurus SL-C3100 a lot better | 01:15 |
| jldiaz | yes, hrw, but this has little impacg | 01:15 |
| jldiaz | impact | 01:15 |
| jldiaz | more annoying is the lack of a alt key | 01:15 |
| hrw | zap: I prefer c7x0 keyboards over sl-cxx00 one | 01:15 |
| hrw | jldiaz: I use Chr for extra keymapping | 01:16 |
| evaryont_ | hm, how do I find the device name? I think it's something along NOKIA-N800-FKJ or whatever | 01:16 |
| jldiaz | I'm typing now from the n810 | 01:16 |
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| evaryont_ | hrw: how is os2008 a bad thing? Better CPU speed is really nice.... | 01:16 |
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| jldiaz | I know hrw, I hacked a lot the rx-44 file, but I do need chr as the altgr key | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | zap how was keyboard better? | 01:17 |
| pupnik | more space between keys? | 01:17 |
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| hrw | evaryont: better cpu speed is not related to os2008 | 01:18 |
| hrw | evaryont: os2008 is closed system. | 01:18 |
| evaryont | hrw: no? I've heard reports that it was... | 01:18 |
| jldiaz | btw, anyone understands the difference btween iso-level3-shift and iso-level5-shift? | 01:18 |
| evaryont | how is os2008 closed? :( | 01:18 |
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| hrw | evaryont: os2006/2007 had 330MHz limit in kernel. os2008 bumped it to 400MHz | 01:19 |
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| zap | pupnik: it was usable, I could type fast without training | 01:19 |
| evaryont | oh. kernel limits, heh | 01:19 |
| hrw | evaryont: how? try to run non-maemo system on tablet | 01:19 |
| ds3 | 0 | 01:19 |
| evaryont | hrw: why would I? | 01:19 |
| hrw | evaryont: I want to do it | 01:19 |
| evaryont | :/ what's the default root password? | 01:20 |
| zap | what means 'has 400MHz limit' in the kernel? | 01:20 |
| hrw | evaryont: read http://blog.haerwu.biz/tag/maemo/ posts as it is 00:20 and I do not want to talk again about why maemo is closed | 01:20 |
| evaryont | heh, fine. thanks | 01:20 |
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| pupnik | it used to be 'rootme' but i forgot if that changed in OS2008 | 01:21 |
| pupnik | zap given the low-profile (slider) design constraint, they keyboard is about perfect for me. i just remapped a tab and a | | 01:22 |
| evaryont | pupnik: It's changed :/ | 01:23 |
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| jldiaz | I put tab at Fn+Backspace, and life is much more easier now at command-line | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | try 12345 or 123456 - sorry i can't remember - google probly knows | 01:24 |
| term-sig | 12345 | 01:25 |
| term-sig | ;] | 01:25 |
| evaryont | lol I just changed it :P | 01:25 |
| jldiaz | Is it possible to get rid of the status/autocompleion bar? | 01:25 |
| jldiaz | it is specially unuseful for xter;, and wastes precious vertical space | 01:26 |
| jldiaz | (xterm) | 01:26 |
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| evaryont | hm, Pictures, Images, Games, Documents, etc aren't in /home/user... :/ | 01:27 |
| elb | jldiaz: yeah, you can turn it off in the control panel | 01:27 |
| jldiaz | really?? silly of me! | 01:28 |
| evaryont | ah, found it! | 01:28 |
| elb | I turned it off for that very reason | 01:28 |
| jldiaz | I was thinking about some obscure config file tinkering... | 01:28 |
| elb | osso-xterm is still a PITA, though, because it won't size to a proper 80x25 in any reasonable fashion :-P | 01:28 |
| evaryont | hrw: fyi Documents, Pictures, etc are in /home/user/MyDocs/.{documents,images,sounds,videos,games} | 01:29 |
| hrw | elb: since when 80x25 is proper? just because vt100/vt420 had it? | 01:29 |
| hrw | elb: 80x24 is more proper iir | 01:29 |
| hrw | c | 01:29 |
| jldiaz | but I guess that is not possiblr to turn it on/off on a per-application basis | 01:29 |
| pupnik | i think it is possible, but i haven't gotten it to work reliably | 01:30 |
| jldiaz | ok, I found the option. It was a bit obscure imho | 01:32 |
| pupnik | what did you find? | 01:32 |
| elb | hrw: depends on whether you use a hardware status line | 01:32 |
| * pupnik used to have a real vt100 for fun | 01:33 | |
| jldiaz | because what you have to turn off is predictive typing, not "keyboard statusbar" or something alike | 01:33 |
| elb | hrw: the majority of my terminals are 80x24; if I use a hardware status line (e.g., with screen) I use 80x25 | 01:33 |
| hrw | elb: I used hp2623a - it had 80x24 with not reusable hardware status line | 01:33 |
| evaryont | what are some really good time wasters? | 01:33 |
| elb | hrw: suck | 01:34 |
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| hrw | now I usually use 120x40 -> 200x60 x-terminals | 01:34 |
| pupnik | pytube or canola for youtube. games/emulators at http://pupnik.de/software | 01:34 |
| pupnik | software.html | 01:34 |
| jldiaz | Now, in order to get rid of xterm toolbar also, I need to think about a good mapping for PgUp and PgDown keys | 01:34 |
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| jldiaz | any suggestion? | 01:35 |
| elb | I very seldom resize X terminals width-wise | 01:35 |
| pupnik | maybe fn+dpad up/down would be mappable? | 01:35 |
| jldiaz | is it possible to use for example Fn+Up? | 01:35 |
| pupnik | havent tried | 01:35 |
| elb | though sometimes I resize them vertically to 80x50 (which is within pixels of the height of two 80x24 terminals including window decorations on my display) | 01:35 |
| jldiaz | I'll try that | 01:35 |
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| hrw | bye all | 01:36 |
| lcuk | lots of linux terminal commands dont adapt to width most of the time so theres no point in trying for more | 01:36 |
| hrw | lcuk: examples? | 01:36 |
| lcuk | make | 01:37 |
| hrw | lcuk: really? | 01:37 |
| elb | most commands do | 01:37 |
| hrw | lcuk: on my system 'make' output is full width | 01:37 |
| lcuk | no matter how wide my terminal it gets wrapped around 79ish | 01:37 |
| lcuk | other commands are more willing, but make isnt | 01:38 |
| evaryont | pupnik: THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I love programming in Ruby, I was pretty downhearted that there isn't a ruby interpreter for the n800 but you're hosting it! THANK YOU! | 01:38 |
| hrw | lcuk: interesting.. especially due to fact that make does not use any terminal library - it just prints text | 01:38 |
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| hrw | lcuk: 'cat' also wrap on 79? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | no, some parts of make do, but whenever i get an error message its formatted to that max | 01:39 |
| lcuk | ill break it and find an example | 01:39 |
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| hrw | bye | 01:39 |
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| term-sig | guys any idea where i can get micro usb -> female cable in uk? adapter will be the best option because i dont like cables.. | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | you have a micro->male - easier finding yourself a standard female-female dongle | 01:41 |
| elb | you probably don't want to put an adapter directly in the port on the device, that's an awful lot of leverage on a port which isn't designed to take force | 01:41 |
| term-sig | ok, then female-female dongle, amazon or something else? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | n810<->standardchargingcable<->female2female<->usb_keyboard | 01:42 |
| lcuk | i dunno, when i was playing i had a big computer PCI extension with a pair of plugs on. | 01:43 |
| lcuk | i just connected them together | 01:43 |
| benh | evaryont: ruby ? yuck | 01:43 |
| benh | had a look at the interpreter source code the other day, tracking some distro bug, it's a hell hole | 01:43 |
| benh | a language designed by somebody who doesn't understand synchronization and locking... I wouldn't touch it with a 10 feet pole | 01:44 |
| pupnik | evaryont: i'm just mirroring some packages. check out 'dosbox' and 'rubybox' to see a nicely written ruby frontend using the gtk/hildon bindings | 01:45 |
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| elb | benh: or maybe by someone who understands that concurrency is best avoided ;-) | 01:45 |
| pupnik | solmumaha wrote it. it can autodownload a bunch of free/shareware games, with config files | 01:45 |
| benh | elb: then he should have completely avoided it in his implementation :-) | 01:46 |
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| benh | iirc, constructs like lock++ won't do good when you use a timer or a signal handler | 01:46 |
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| benh | I don't remember the details of the warts I found in there (in addition to the code being just plain fugly) | 01:47 |
| elb | benh: the original interpreter did | 01:47 |
| elb | then support for an in-process interpreter-provided threading model was introduced | 01:47 |
| benh | elb: now as to avoiding concurrency, well, you may be right, and I know tridge will very much agree with you | 01:47 |
| elb | I'm not sure what the current status is | 01:47 |
| benh | elb: but it does somewhat against the HW evolution lately :-) | 01:47 |
| elb | I think most people just avoid ruby threads whenever possible ;-) | 01:47 |
| elb | benh: all those cores can take advantage of multiple processes, though ;-) | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | hmmm, ok the terminal scrollback is fixed size | 01:48 |
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| benh | elb: yes, well, you are totally in sync with tridge here :-) | 01:48 |
| benh | I personally like threads but then, I -do- understand locking & sync :-) | 01:48 |
| lcuk | benh, get into serious dsp code then :) | 01:49 |
| benh | (though I suspect tridge does too .. it's just the average programmer doesn't) | 01:49 |
| elb | there's definitely a place for threading | 01:49 |
| elb | but I consider it a last-ditch effort | 01:49 |
| benh | lcuk: did a bit a looooong time ago... nowadays, I do serious kernel code :-) | 01:49 |
| benh | elb: well, the kernel is a good spot for that :-) | 01:49 |
| pupnik | real programmers should make dosbox sound emulation faster | 01:49 |
| elb | you should always let the operating system do everything it can for you -- and protecting memory space is something it can do | 01:49 |
| benh | elb: I tend to agree in principle... in practice however, it's expensive in terms of performances | 01:50 |
| elb | yeah, it depends on what you're doing, for sure | 01:50 |
| pupnik | someday ... lcuk :) someday... | 01:50 |
| benh | elb: a good example is good old mach with non colocated server for those who remember mklinux... | 01:50 |
| benh | elb: the cost of memory protection was huge | 01:50 |
| benh | elb: though it provides a really nice design | 01:50 |
| elb | but the windows model of "create a thread for everything", for example, I think is too far | 01:51 |
| elb | especially since a LOT of applications are blocked most of the time, anyway | 01:51 |
| benh | elb: I agree, and the average windows programmer has no idea about locking | 01:51 |
| elb | yeah | 01:52 |
| elb | that's actually my biggest problem with ubiquitous threading | 01:52 |
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| benh | elb: ported various windows app to other platforms in a former life, it was scary what you would find in there | 01:52 |
| elb | it requires a level of cluefulness that most programmers just don't have | 01:52 |
| benh | very true | 01:52 |
| elb | so while the original author may even understand what's going on, the probability of the next guy Getting It goes down rapidly | 01:52 |
| jldiaz | what is the official X11 name of PgUp PgDn? | 01:52 |
| elb | jldiaz: Prior/Next | 01:52 |
| jldiaz | elb, thx! | 01:52 |
| benh | have to run, bbl | 01:53 |
| elb | benh: I've always considered Ousterhout's little talk on concurrency versus event-driven programming an excellent position | 01:53 |
| benh | elb: I think tridge did a talk on the matter too, I can't find a reference now | 01:53 |
| benh | elb: I tend to prefer event driven for anything GUI | 01:54 |
| elb | well, event driven maps well to GUI paradigms, as well | 01:54 |
| elb | so you're not really *losing* by going event driven | 01:54 |
| benh | elb: I agree that threads tend to bring a false sense of simplicity... no complicated state machines, linear programming ... and races | 01:54 |
| elb | yeah | 01:54 |
| elb | basically, when threads are the right solution, they're the right solution and nothing else even comes close | 01:55 |
| elb | the rest of the time, you'll be happier with fork() or select() or a mixture thereof | 01:55 |
| jldiaz | ok, it works. You can map Fn+dpad Up/Down to Prior/Next | 01:55 |
| benh | really have to run now tho :-) bbl | 01:56 |
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| jldiaz | this will simplify the use of BitchX, and get rid of the xterm toolbar forever | 01:56 |
| elb | jldiaz: yeah, that's exactly what I did | 01:56 |
| jldiaz | also useful over vnc | 01:56 |
| elb | that and Fn+space to tab go a long way toward making things more usable | 01:57 |
| elb | I almost never use Prior/Next on my PC, because C-v M-v are easier | 01:57 |
| elb | but on the tablet, Fn+arrows become easier | 01:57 |
| jldiaz | for some reason I prefer Fn+Bkspace for Tab | 01:58 |
| jldiaz | what did you with chr key? | 01:58 |
| jldiaz | i mapped it to iso_level5_shift, and then used type="EIGTH_LEVEL" for most of the other keys | 02:01 |
| jldiaz | this gave me access to a lot of latin1 symbols I need | 02:01 |
| jldiaz | but I miss an Alt key for vnc | 02:01 |
| GNUton | nught | 02:02 |
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| jldiaz | and do not really know the difference between level3 and level5 shift | 02:03 |
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| jldiaz | only noticed that with level3 (the default) some keys were no re-mapeable | 02:03 |
| elb | I left Chr as-is | 02:04 |
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| jldiaz | so you dont have Alt either | 02:04 |
| elb | no | 02:05 |
| elb | I use Esc | 02:05 |
| jldiaz | that works for emacs, but not for cycling windows over vnc | 02:06 |
| elb | I don't use vnc ;-) | 02:06 |
| jldiaz | (alt-tab) | 02:06 |
| jldiaz | lucky of you :) | 02:06 |
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| elb | my window manager uses Super+Tab, anyway | 02:10 |
| jldiaz | I'm getting obsessed with having a truly full-screen console | 02:10 |
| elb | and I sure don't have a Super key ;-) | 02:10 |
| jldiaz | can I get rid of the scroll bar? | 02:10 |
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| jldiaz | this is the last space consumer | 02:11 |
| jldiaz | wich ia not required once I have Prior/Next keys | 02:11 |
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| elb | you can, in gconftool | 02:11 |
| elb | but it comes back every time you restart | 02:12 |
| jldiaz | :( | 02:12 |
| elb | apparently that's fixed in some version of osso-xterm floating around the web | 02:12 |
| elb | (you'll also notice that the toolbar comes back every time you restart) | 02:12 |
| jldiaz | I have the latest svn version of osso-xterm | 02:12 |
| jldiaz | in this version the toolbar does not come back | 02:13 |
| elb | oh, then you can probably get rid of the scrollbar with gconftool and have it say gone | 02:13 |
| elb | stay | 02:13 |
| * jldiaz is trying that | 02:13 | |
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| ogi1234 | hi there | 02:17 |
| jldiaz | hum | 02:17 |
| ogi1234 | i am trying to make a keyboard layout for n810 | 02:18 |
| jldiaz | gconftool is only an interface to the %gconf files scattered under /var/lib/gconf, right? | 02:18 |
| jldiaz | ogi1234, we were talking about this very subject | 02:18 |
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| ogi1234 | i have problem - is i write key <COMP>{ [ ISO_Level5_Shift,ISO_Level5_Shift,ISO_Level5_Shift,ISO_Level5_Shift] }; | 02:20 |
| ogi1234 | everything is fine | 02:20 |
| ogi1234 | but i have to hold chr key | 02:20 |
| jldiaz | so, if I edit /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/xterm/%gconf.xml I can access to the same options than with gconftool, true? | 02:22 |
| ogi1234 | with key <COMP>{[Multi_key,Multi_key,Multi_key,Multi_key]}; i cannot go to level5 | 02:22 |
| ogi1234 | any idea? | 02:22 |
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| jldiaz | ogi1234, what do you pretend? | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | I mean, what do you want to do? | 02:23 |
| ogi1234 | I want to make a layout for the hardware keybord - n810 | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | "pretend" was not the right word, I guess, it is a "false friend" in spanish | 02:23 |
| jldiaz | ogi1234 , I mean what is the desired behavior for the chr key | 02:24 |
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| ogi1234 | when I hold ctrl and pres chr there is a label "input language switched" | 02:25 |
| ogi1234 | but it is only a label | 02:26 |
| ogi1234 | in fact nothing hapens | 02:26 |
| ds3 | \ | 02:26 |
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| ogi1234 | i need to toggle the layout on ctrl+chr | 02:27 |
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| jldiaz | it happens if the alphanumeric keys have type "EIGHT_LEVEL" | 02:28 |
| ogi1234 | i have put so - but it does not work... | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | then, each key has 8 mappings | 02:29 |
| jldiaz | the first 4 and the last 4 get swapped when you press Ctrl-Chr | 02:29 |
| ogi1234 | yes, exactly - my defs seems correct | 02:30 |
| jldiaz | but <COMP> needs to be ISO_LEVEL3_SHIFT | 02:30 |
| ogi1234 | i have put 8 mappings | 02:30 |
| ogi1234 | what do i have to put for the key <COMP> - why does it have 4 values? | 02:31 |
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| ogi1234 | thanks jldiaz - i am still fighting... | 02:56 |
| ogi1234 | I have put keybord layouts from http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ | 02:57 |
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| ogi1234 | do you know if there is a difference if i modify /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 or /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/ukeyboard files? | 02:58 |
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| evaryont_ | where does canola store downloaded youtube vids? | 03:17 |
| evaryont_ | oh, nvm. Found it ^^ | 03:17 |
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| zakm | can i get SDHC working on my nokia 770 without soldering? | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | with usb reader? :) | 03:31 |
| zakm | i dont know. RS-MMC"s are too expensive for me | 03:32 |
| zakm | im just looking at alternate ways? | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | buy n800 | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:32 |
| zakm | i just need a nice $10-20 method | 03:32 |
| zakm | not a option unforuntary. unless your offering to donate? | 03:32 |
| zakm | i wish i knew before i bought my nokia 770 .. i thought this had a SD slot ;p | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't mind ~20% of screen dead there is one for 120$ on craigslist | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:33 |
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| zakm | lol | 03:33 |
| zakm | i just bought my nokia 770 for $85 like two weeks ago | 03:33 |
| zakm | Toronto craigslist? | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | new york | 03:33 |
| zakm | ;p | 03:33 |
| zakm | ebay is like $75 :( | 03:34 |
| zakm | thats why i wish i knew. but its too late now | 03:34 |
| Fatal | how much would you pay for a 1GB rs-mmc? | 03:34 |
| zakm | all i got is like $20? | 03:34 |
| zakm | like literaly in my wallet a $20 bill. | 03:34 |
| zakm | canadian ... | 03:34 |
| Fatal | here it's ~$23 | 03:34 |
| Fatal | oh | 03:34 |
| zakm | im in Toronto, ON | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | 1 U.S. dollar = 1.01099968 Canadian dollars | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:35 |
| zakm | lol | 03:35 |
| zakm | yeah .. i look at the paper | 03:35 |
| zakm | its insignificant when your dealing with $10-20 ;p | 03:35 |
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| zakm | Fatal: why. you know where to get a cheap one? | 03:35 |
| zakm | i was thinking ebay but i dont wanna wait like 2 weeks for it to come | 03:36 |
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| zakm | do SDHC cards work .. like without touching the actual device hardware? | 03:36 |
| Fatal | I just thougt the normal prices for them are insanely cheap, then again, I bought my cards >2 years ago | 03:36 |
| zakm | dont mind software like changing kernels and all .. but i dont wanna physically open up and mess with it | 03:36 |
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| zakm | near me theres a store they want $60 for 1gb rs-mmc -.- | 03:37 |
| tchan | 1Gb rs-mmc card $13.85 from oempcworld.com, http://www.oempcworld.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=DV-RS-MMC1024 | 03:37 |
| zakm | uhmm shipping... | 03:37 |
| zakm | to canada? im guessing thats US | 03:37 |
| Fatal | zakm: cripes, cellphone or camera store? those are normally insanely expensive :P | 03:37 |
| zakm | and im only 17.. ill need to ask someone with a creditcard then | 03:37 |
| Fatal | regardless of what the real world charges :) | 03:37 |
| zakm | electronic store | 03:38 |
| zakm | i want to try 2008HE again but the 64mb that came with it doesnt do much in the way of swap ;p | 03:38 |
| zakm | and i want to store more on it | 03:38 |
| zakm | wish i bought a nokia 800 :( | 03:38 |
| zakm | anyone wanna take my nokia 770 and $50 for your nokia 800? | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:39 |
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| zakm | anyways. is there a easy method for me to use stuff other than rs-mmc's ? | 03:39 |
| zakm | on my nokia 770 | 03:40 |
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| ogi1234 | hi, again - i am still digging in keyborad layouts - anybody knows what xkb_symbols stands for? i mean is the letters after that related to anything? | 03:41 |
| Fatal | zakm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12833 | 03:43 |
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| zakm | so a custom kernel is all i need? | 03:43 |
| zakm | thats it ... nothing more? | 03:43 |
| Fatal | no idea, I just thought I'd google for nokia 770 sdhc :) was the second hit | 03:44 |
| zakm | could you check please. i dont want to buy a sdhc and then turns out not working? | 03:45 |
| freelikegnu | kinda sad how 810 is minisd | 03:45 |
| zakm | are sdhc's even the right size? | 03:45 |
| zakm | they look like seame size of SD? | 03:46 |
| freelikegnu | sd/sdhc is different tech in a similar size card as rs-mmc | 03:46 |
| Fatal | zakm: I neither have my 770 around, or a sdhc card, plus it's 2:45am. I bet you could read the discussion just as well as me :) | 03:46 |
| zakm | rs-mmc is super small? | 03:46 |
| zakm | rs-mmc is like minisd size? | 03:46 |
| zakm | Fatal: ive read it but nobody really confirms it properly | 03:46 |
| freelikegnu | sd readers are generally compatible with rs-mmc, but not the other way around iirc | 03:46 |
| zakm | yeah my sd reader works on it | 03:47 |
| zakm | but if its a super small slot | 03:47 |
| zakm | how can you fit a SD? | 03:47 |
| zakm | yet the discussion says its possible? | 03:47 |
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| freelikegnu | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1170483582;pp;4 | 03:49 |
| freelikegnu | read the above article about card compatabilities | 03:49 |
| zakm | that talks about mmc not rs-mmc | 03:50 |
| zakm | rs = reduduced size | 03:50 |
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| zakm | making them smaller than mmc's -.- | 03:50 |
| freelikegnu | if you read the entire page, it is explained | 03:51 |
| zakm | The interesting factor with RS-MMC is that it's the same width as a regular SD or MMC card, and can thus be read (with an adapter) in any SD or MMC slot. <--- but not vice-versa? | 03:52 |
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| KotCzarny | zakm: flash the fanoush kernel and take your nokia to the store for some sdhc testing/ :) | 03:55 |
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| zakm | you want me to flash it and then get them to try it and if it works i buy it? | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | "And all I need other than a slot rework is a kernel?" | 03:56 |
| zakm | i have to change the slot? | 03:57 |
| zakm | i dont want to solder? | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204326553&adid=17653&dcaid=17653 ? | 03:57 |
| zakm | ? | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | adapter | 03:58 |
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| zakm | thats to make a miniSD into a SD? | 03:58 |
| zakm | theres already one of those in the 770 ? | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if you could fit sd card into 770's slot | 03:58 |
| zakm | http://bp0.blogger.com/_mWIlnetsixI/RxWGxK9diWI/AAAAAAAAABw/wp1fZ9rmmEo/s400/DSCN0592.JPG <-- inside the 770 | 03:59 |
| zakm | a SD card width isnt big enough | 04:00 |
| zakm | to slide in | 04:00 |
| KotCzarny | i thought rs-mmc has the same width as mmc and same wwidth as sd(hc) | 04:01 |
| zakm | well | 04:01 |
| zakm | its barely going in | 04:01 |
| zakm | and uhm | 04:01 |
| zakm | sticking out alot | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | that's length | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:01 |
| evaryont | what could cause the provided PDF reader to reject a pdf file? I tried loading one but in the file browser it's disabled, not letting me select it for loading. :( | 04:01 |
| zakm | no memory card inserted | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | evaryont: is it encrypted? :) | 04:02 |
| evaryont | KotCzarny: no | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | does it work in pc ? | 04:02 |
| zakm | evaryont: does it work on a pc? | 04:02 |
| evaryont | I made it via CUPS's print to pdf | 04:02 |
| zakm | hah | 04:02 |
| evaryont | yes | 04:02 |
| zakm | so if i patch with a idfferent kernel .. could normal SDs work? | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | zakm: do you have any sd card to test? | 04:02 |
| evaryont | both in Adobe Acrobat Reader v8 & epdfviewer | 04:02 |
| zakm | yeah | 04:03 |
| zakm | a 128mb in my hand now | 04:03 |
| zakm | im running linux atm .. on 2007HE | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | then flash that hacked kernel and test it? | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:03 |
| zakm | omg | 04:04 |
| zakm | missing one tree hill | 04:04 |
| evaryont | Also, what is the little icon in the upper right corner of Canola? It's 4 boxes with the second one filled in and raised slightly? | 04:04 |
| zakm | gonna try in about a hour :P | 04:04 |
| zakm | thanks :D | 04:04 |
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| evaryont | KotCzarny: any reasons? I wanna start 'printing' articles for offline enjoyment! :/ | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | evaryont: don't know, maybe look for other pdf readers? | 04:06 |
| evaryont | heh. k | 04:06 |
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| evaryont | maemo.org is down? :/ garage.maemo.org isn't, thankfully | 04:07 |
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| benh | doh | 04:34 |
| benh | looking at some of the BT UI elements | 04:34 |
| benh | damn, talk about abusing dbus ! | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | hey brand new shit | 04:36 |
| pupnik_ | admiral fallon gave direct orders to not fire on the iranian speedboats in january | 04:36 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: didn't he resigned lately? | 04:37 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 04:37 |
| pupnik_ | he got axed | 04:38 |
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| pupnik_ | just for U KotCzarny http://pupnik.de/Scott_Horton-UofTexas_Speech_April_28-The_Reasons_for_Attacking_Iran.avi | 04:39 |
| pupnik_ | a great example of using 3d denoise filter to crunch video from 250 to 90 MB | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | is there a transcript? | 04:39 |
| pupnik_ | no i was going to write one but hey, 90<MB | 04:39 |
| fysa | do we have a VNC client that does scaling? | 04:39 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
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| pupnik_ | hey KotCzarny can i show your uae vs standard uae at linuxtag? | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | it's not mine.. | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:55 |
| pupnik_ | well yeah | 04:55 |
| pupnik_ | i mean... would you like me to mention you | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | and as i said you can do anything you want because i have no rights on it :) | 04:55 |
| pupnik_ | i want to compare the gp2x stuff to standard stuff | 04:55 |
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| pupnik_ | uae and nes are the only running things atm | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | i have only tweaked ui a little and compiled it | 04:56 |
| pupnik_ | i probably won't finish snes | 04:56 |
| pupnik_ | yeah but i failed and you did it | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:56 |
| pupnik_ | so do i mention you or not | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | well | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | no problem | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | you can mention me as kotczarny :) | 04:57 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | btw. when is linuxtag ? | 04:57 |
| lcuk | its where we throw around velcro penguins | 04:58 |
| pupnik_ | nokia stuf 29 may | 04:58 |
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| KotCzarny | 3 weeks from now | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | roughly | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/car/669387666.html | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 04:59 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: velcro penguins stuffed with bricks? | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:00 |
| lcuk | i hope not | 05:00 |
| lcuk | ive been playing lots this weekend | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | element of surprise | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:01 |
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| lcuk | its on the ftp :) | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | good | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | i'm close to getting out of the ff loop | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | collide ? | 05:02 |
| lcuk | if you look at the file select, then do the same after drawing something theres a little surprise | 05:02 |
| lcuk | yer | 05:02 |
| lcuk | i think in the next couple of days i will have 0 + 90 rotation - the font already works i just have to code up the measurement code | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | you should install xrandr patch | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | no | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | and see how the code works with it | 05:04 |
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| lcuk | i cannot rely on the user installing such a patch so must operate with the playing field as it stands | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | well, treat it as getting 'future proof' | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:05 |
| lcuk | when i future proof it, the code i have written now should allow me to use this software on 770, maybe even other devices as well | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | btw. mouse info overwrites itself in drawing mode | 05:06 |
| lcuk | yer i noticed after i ripped out the underbelly of everything | 05:06 |
| lcuk | font code now ORs with the background, it used to just copy | 05:06 |
| lcuk | i havent fixed up all places | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | how do i get out of file selector? | 05:06 |
| KotCzarny | (not to mention it doesn't show any files yet | 05:07 |
| lcuk | esc - there is lag, i havent tidied up the loop | 05:07 |
| lcuk | had the same issue with one other screen a couple of days ago so will see whats wrong tomorrow | 05:08 |
| lcuk | i am going to be including something in sudoers as part of the installi tried a few alternatives earlier and will decide in a few days which seems to work best | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | you should include aspect variable everywhere | 05:10 |
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| KotCzarny | in 640x480 mode circles aren't citcles | 05:10 |
| lcuk | i was shocked i could include it at all, aspect is a tweak of one pair of variables from where i am now | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | otoh it's a nice test of resolutions | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. how thing would look | 05:11 |
| lcuk | ahhh circles i thought you meant the brushes | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | things | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | brushes? where? | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:11 |
| lcuk | go into the drawing | 05:11 |
| lcuk | draw something on the screen | 05:11 |
| lcuk | write your name or something | 05:11 |
| lcuk | then go back to the "file areas floating around and bumping into them" area | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | ah, yes, i saw that | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | btw. for random movement you should run sin/cos thingy on position | 05:12 |
| lcuk | how many things are bouncing around for you | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | 7 | 05:12 |
| lcuk | ahhh mines practically full | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | i see some overdrawing in bouncing mode | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | ie. things overflowing to uv plane | 05:14 |
| lcuk | yer line code | 05:14 |
| * lcuk rolls his own eyes - its predebta :P | 05:14 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:14 |
| lcuk | -typos | 05:14 |
| lcuk | im starting to enjoy coding in it | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | btw. ebook scroll speed is res dependant | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | it shouldn't | 05:15 |
| lcuk | thats all being ripped out now i have these pieces in place | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, i still like it | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:17 |
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| KotCzarny | i wish there would be a gps in a sd form factor | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | (non sticking out) | 05:19 |
| pupnik_ | hey KotCzarny | 05:19 |
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| pupnik_ | see the hiroshima pixs? | 05:19 |
| pupnik_ | http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/iblog/C177199123/E20080504184518/index.html | 05:20 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.semsons.com/hahiblgpswis.html | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | hummm | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | interesting for n800 users | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe for 770 too | 05:20 |
| lcuk | gnite folks | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 05:21 |
| lcuk | and pupnik, yes ive seen a lot of them :( | 05:21 |
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| pupnik_ | poor huumans | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | and if it wasn't for the winning side it would look like a massacre | 05:23 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, can somebody link me to the guide to speeding up OS2008? | 05:29 |
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| Proteous | there's a guide? | 05:30 |
| mikedep333 | on internettablettalk.com somewhere, yes | 05:31 |
| mikedep333 | found it | 05:31 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17666 | 05:31 |
| Proteous | do a google search with "site:internettablettalke.com" in there | 05:32 |
| Proteous | that will search just that site | 05:32 |
| Proteous | without the quites | 05:32 |
| Proteous | quotes | 05:32 |
| mikedep333 | I found it | 05:32 |
| mikedep333 | that link I posted is it | 05:33 |
| mikedep333 | thanks anyway though | 05:33 |
| Proteous | usualy works better then the on site search | 05:33 |
| Proteous | I was just saying for future searching :P | 05:33 |
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| mikedep333 | lol, yeah | 05:33 |
| mikedep333 | google searches do work better like that | 05:33 |
| Proteous | givin out the knowledge free of charge | 05:33 |
| mikedep333 | I am glad to see some sites migrating over to google searches | 05:33 |
| Proteous | soon you will be a intenet search master like me | 05:33 |
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| fysa | my 16GB class 6 Transcend is half as fast at reads as my 8GB class 6 Transcend. that doesn't seem right. | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:36 |
| fysa | now I have a dilemma over which becomes my boot mmc. | 05:36 |
| mikedep333 | how fast? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: smaller | 05:36 |
| mikedep333 | I think my 2 GB SD card is like 15MB/sec read | 05:36 |
| mikedep333 | and it doesn't seem as fast as the internal memory | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | my kingston sdhc cards are ~4mb/s | 05:37 |
| fysa | my 8GB card is about that fast | 05:37 |
| fysa | but my 16GB card is only 8.5 MB/s | 05:37 |
| fysa | mikedep333, are you using the 48mhz mmc patch? | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: do you run a custom kernel or it's on original? | 05:37 |
| fysa | this is reads on my desktop. :) | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:38 |
| fysa | haven't benchmarked on the device yet | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have a sd reader for my pc | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | so i can't test | 05:38 |
| fysa | ah | 05:38 |
| fysa | mine came with a nice little keyfob reader | 05:38 |
| fysa | thumbdrive-style | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | well, i have, but it's usb1.1 | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | so i don't use it for anything but emergency | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | btw. i get ~4mb/s with/without sd speedup patch | 05:40 |
| fysa | no difference? | 05:40 |
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| mikedep333 | fysa: no | 05:40 |
| mikedep333 | more info on it please? | 05:40 |
| fysa | I'm using this kernel: | 05:41 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104 | 05:41 |
| fysa | the 'experimental kernel' | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | but you didn't benchmarked it on device, yet | 05:42 |
| fysa | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06217.html | 05:42 |
| mikedep333 | bookmarked, I'll look into it soon | 05:42 |
| mikedep333 | thanks | 05:42 |
| fysa | searching for "48mhz mmc" will give you all the answers | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | btw. i use hdparm for testing | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | dd doesn't flush cache | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | man, how i would like to disable maemo-launcher | 05:46 |
| fysa | is there an hdparm deb? | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, maybe on debian.org ? | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | i have compiled it myself | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:47 |
| fysa | oh, I have bonnie | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | bonnie on sd? | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 05:48 |
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| fysa | time to pack again. tired of these trips. thinking of buying a set of clothes to always leave packed. | 05:52 |
| Navi | Haha | 05:52 |
| fysa | (my wife thinks I'm nuts) | 05:52 |
| Navi | a set that's never washed too | 05:53 |
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| fysa | bonnie is writing intelligently. | 05:53 |
| fysa | I will paste my results here so #maemo.log can store them forever. | 05:53 |
| Navi | Woo | 05:54 |
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| fysa | still running.. | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | btw. if you're at it you should do vfat/ext2/ext3 comparison | 06:04 |
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| fysa | coincidentally, it will happen to work out that way ;) | 06:04 |
| fysa | this is vfat | 06:04 |
| fysa | and I'm planning on making this same card ext3 | 06:04 |
| fysa | er, ext2 | 06:04 |
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| KotCzarny | it would be interesting to have a numbers for all three fs'es | 06:05 |
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| fysa | perhaps I can also try a RAID0/RAID1 setup between mmc1 and mmc2 | 06:06 |
| fysa | oh, wait we have no md. | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | onionfs? | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | i mean unionfs | 06:06 |
| fysa | I was thinking mirrored.. | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:06 |
| fysa | so internal could be 8GB | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | isn't mirrored the same speed as plain? | 06:07 |
| fysa | external could be partitioned into an 8GB mirror, and an 8GB vfat | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | stiped could be faster | 06:07 |
| fysa | read speeds are faster I think | 06:07 |
| fysa | they should be. | 06:07 |
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| KotCzarny | they will drain more power too | 06:07 |
| fysa | well, think of it this way.. | 06:07 |
| fysa | being a mirror.. | 06:07 |
| fysa | you can always disable one for normal operation | 06:08 |
| fysa | "RAID 1 offers excellent read speed and a write-speed that is comparable to that of a single disk." | 06:08 |
| fysa | you could always partition it and do a striped partition for swap | 06:09 |
| fysa | ;) | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. sure | 06:09 |
| fysa | I use RAID1 swap on my home server.. | 06:09 |
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| KotCzarny | isn't ram dirt cheap nowadays? | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:10 |
| fysa | not in the N800 | 06:10 |
| fysa | :) | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | do you use n800 as a home server? | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:10 |
| fysa | the thought has crossed my mind.. | 06:10 |
| fysa | N800 + USB eSATA/USB enclosure | 06:11 |
| fysa | I have 8 disks here ready to be tested.. | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, 2x 64gb would be enough i think | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:11 |
| fysa | tiny/small/silent media server.. | 06:11 |
| fysa | (apart from the drives) | 06:11 |
| fysa | and affordable at $200 | 06:11 |
| fysa | I have a giant 15-bay case I need to get rid of. | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | there are wifi routers with usb <100$ | 06:12 |
| fysa | maybe, if I can find one that will run debian.. | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 06:13 |
| fysa | python apps on the server | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:13 |
| fysa | mostly | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | just rewrite them in c/shell | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:13 |
| fysa | 'just' | 06:13 |
| fysa | :P | 06:13 |
| fysa | much more RAM in the N800 than any router | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but eaten by hildon and friends | 06:14 |
| fysa | don't need hildon :) | 06:14 |
| johnx | the NSLU2 and WRT54SL come to mind as possible choices | 06:14 |
| fysa | it's a server, remember? | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | but need friends | 06:14 |
| fysa | I am using an Asus 500gpe or whatever.. with OpenWRT currently. | 06:15 |
| * KotCzarny is using wrt54g with openwrt | 06:15 | |
| KotCzarny | in fact i'm ircing from it right now | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:15 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, eh? just run debian on the tablet and you don't need any big programs sucking RAM | 06:16 |
| Navi | "This APT has Super Cow Powers." <- O_o | 06:16 |
| johnx | s'true | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: no power management kills the idea for me | 06:16 |
| johnx | for a server? | 06:16 |
| fysa | power management? | 06:16 |
| fysa | it's a 400MHz ARM.. | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | for using anything other than maemo right now | 06:16 |
| johnx | and yes there is power management, it's just not as optimized | 06:16 |
| fysa | replacing a 100 watt Athlon | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: do you get ~8-10 days on idle? | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: how about 200mhz mips ? | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:17 |
| fysa | yes, but low RAM | 06:17 |
| fysa | I need apache+mysql | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | enough for 2x epic + screen + im + links + some other stuff | 06:17 |
| fysa | 128MB is really the low end. | 06:17 |
| johnx | power saving should get better with the next debian release for n800, since I've found some info on how to do it better :) | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: how long can it idle ? | 06:18 |
| fysa | johnx, did you see the ubuntu port? | 06:18 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, dunno. You seem to be the best tester in that regard | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:19 |
| johnx | fysa, yeah...it confused me more than anything | 06:19 |
| fysa | anyway, trying RAID is worth a shot. ;) | 06:19 |
| fysa | bonnie is still running. | 06:19 |
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| fysa | my card is going to explode. | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | i think mmc-[u]mount should be modded to obey /etc/fstab | 06:20 |
| * KotCzarny adds that to the todo list | 06:20 | |
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| fysa | there is ARM openwrt | 06:21 |
| Navi | Anyone use the ogg-support package? | 06:21 |
| fysa | ;) | 06:21 |
| Navi | I can't remove it | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: there is x86 openwrt :) | 06:21 |
| fysa | my goal this year re: electronics and such is to make everything as small as possible. | 06:22 |
| fysa | and minimal. | 06:22 |
| fysa | so I can live like Robert DeNiro on Heat. | 06:23 |
| johnx | in a trailer by a movie set? | 06:23 |
| fysa | haha | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | i'm hoping for portable energy sources | 06:23 |
| johnx | such as? | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | without need to recharge for a year or so | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | nothing in particular | 06:24 |
| fysa | blood-powered | 06:24 |
| johnx | maybe a nice radio-isotope battery? | 06:24 |
| Navi | johnx, oooh | 06:24 |
| Navi | That sounds sexy | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: more probably photosyntesis | 06:24 |
| Navi | I wanna buy one | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | or some heat+hydrogen cells | 06:24 |
| fysa | make it powered by the body and nerds will be the most fit of all. | 06:24 |
| johnx | Navi, talk to someone in Russia. Apparently they used them for remote light-houses | 06:25 |
| fysa | maybe you surround the heart cage in a netting to harness it's raw energy. | 06:25 |
| KotCzarny | or just get the solarcells better | 06:25 |
| fysa | its. | 06:25 |
| Navi | johnx, woo | 06:25 |
| Navi | Man | 06:26 |
| Navi | autocomplete is so useless most of the time. | 06:26 |
| Navi | It picks the worst words to help | 06:26 |
| johnx | yeah, seriously! Maybe I just don't write the way it wants | 06:26 |
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| Navi | Too bad we don't have the iPhone's awesome horrible typing autocorrection | 06:27 |
| doc|home | we could if you really wanted to, you just have to code it | 06:28 |
| Navi | You're funny, but no. | 06:29 |
| doc|home | you know what I found out a while back, a radio doesn't need a power source, just needs a transistor | 06:29 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't transistor need some power to work? | 06:30 |
| doc|home | seemingly not | 06:30 |
| doc|home | something to do with frequencies or some such | 06:31 |
| johnx | it should pull a little power from the transmission itself? You wouldn't get loud sound of course... | 06:31 |
| doc|home | that's right | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | still it needs some power | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | be it from transmission or battery | 06:32 |
| doc|home | it's induced by the radio transmission | 06:32 |
| doc|home | sure, but that's all at the transmitter, which it would have anyway | 06:32 |
| doc|home | iirc from my terrible telecomms lecturer, power gives distance | 06:32 |
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| fysa | .. bonnie still running .. | 06:39 |
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| KotCzarny | say buh-bah to your card? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:39 |
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| Redline` | fysa, how fast is the USB port on the N800? | 06:40 |
| Redline` | I wouldn't think the N800 would be well suited to act has a media server. | 06:41 |
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| KotCzarny | i agree, wifi is ~500kb/s | 06:42 |
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| Redline` | yeah. with that limitation, it would maybe be a moderate-performing torrent server. | 06:48 |
| Redline` | then again, I don't think it would have enough cpu to handle 500k of torrent data. | 06:49 |
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| fysa | USB speed is the bottleneck for sure. | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | fridge as a server? | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:53 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder when they will start selling wifi enabled electrical appliances | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | fridge + wifi + webcam | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | now you can see your food without getting off the couch | 06:56 |
| fysa | haha | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | (and catch that nightly food thief) | 06:56 |
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| johnx | and see whether the light is on when the door is closed! | 06:56 |
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| johnx | finally! | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | finally! | 06:56 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4491 | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | that would make a nice server | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:00 |
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| johnx | Navi, if you haven't bought a keyboard yet, check out this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18034 | 07:10 |
| Navi | k | 07:10 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:11 |
| Navi | shipping is double the cost of the keyboard | 07:11 |
| Navi | that always pisses me off | 07:11 |
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| KotCzarny | but kb itself is nice | 07:11 |
| johnx | yeah, getting stuff hauled around in the "real world" is expensive, annoying and slow :/ | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | but has windows key, fffft | 07:12 |
| johnx | windows keys are great! | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | could use a trackpoint | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | i miss that on every kb | 07:12 |
| Navi | I use my windows key as a meta | 07:12 |
| johnx | There's nothing like having an extra modifier key | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | there's nothing like typing patterns | 07:12 |
| johnx | on my desktop I use the windows key as the modifier for actions that affect the desktop or all windows | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | i love the way ibm thinkpads were without m$ logo | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:13 |
| Navi | I use it for shortcuts | 07:13 |
| fysa | http://www.ocia.net/fullsize.php?filename=280_4.jpg | 07:13 |
| johnx | but that's massively expensive and not touch typable is it? | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | weirdo | 07:14 |
| fysa | haha | 07:14 |
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| fysa | you glue the N800 to the cover | 07:14 |
| johnx | now that would actually be cool | 07:14 |
| fysa | it's a thumb keyboard.. | 07:14 |
| fysa | meant for HTPC | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's weiight centre would kill your hands | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| johnx | so use counterweights. problem solved! | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | fn+enter acts as a ctrl-alt-del | 07:15 |
| fysa | two thumb salute ;) | 07:15 |
| Navi | Solution: Glue it to your hands | 07:15 |
| johnx | heh...much fun on the linux cli | 07:15 |
| fysa | $120 or something? | 07:16 |
| fysa | http://www.ocia.net/fullsize.php?filename=280_26.jpg | 07:16 |
| fysa | maybe useful on long flights or something ;) | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | usb kb would suck your power faster | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:18 |
| johnx | but you could power the whole setup with one external battery pack | 07:18 |
| johnx | it's a trade-off either way | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it's getting big then | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | so maybe just get a ultraportable laptop | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 07:18 |
| johnx | that's getting expensive (or it was expensive before the eee) | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | second hand stuff is cheap | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | ibm x40 is ~400-500$ today | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | and has one of the best battery life for laptops | 07:20 |
| johnx | but if you're buying used the first thing you need is a new battery :P | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | that depends on luck | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes it's 30%, sometimes >90% | 07:20 |
| johnx | Li-ion batteries lose lots of charge just sitting on a shelf | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | if kept properly it's minimal | 07:21 |
| Navi | Yay for battery technology | 07:21 |
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| * johnx waits for the post apocalyptic future where he's allowed to use radio-isotope batteries | 07:22 | |
| Navi | :D | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer hydrogen/solar based ones | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| * Navi throws uranium rods at johnx | 07:23 | |
| johnx | I just like the idea of having a laptop with a sealed case that just sits there unplugged and runs for 20 years | 07:23 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | but then you would start getting heaps of sh*t | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:24 |
| johnx | will need a geiger counter watch to go with it... | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | not going to happen | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | it could spread panic | 07:24 |
| johnx | geiger counter watch? | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | in some areas | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:24 |
| Navi | Yay for wiicontrol | 07:24 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20050928/gammamaster-geiger-counter-watch/ :P | 07:25 |
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| KotCzarny | i have a friend that lives in mountain area | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | it has quite high radon pollution | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | so high it affects electronics | 07:27 |
| johnx | O_o | 07:27 |
| johnx | maybe your friend should move | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | spurious reboots, memory corruption | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | he will | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | to iceland | 07:27 |
| johnx | good plan | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | but what about goverment not telling people it's bad to live there? | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | (in his home city) | 07:28 |
| doc|home | people can't check these things for themselves? | 07:29 |
| doc|home | radon's been a problem at least since I was a kid | 07:29 |
| johnx | well of course it's bad, but people also need to take matters into their own hands to figure out if they're living somewhere unsafe | 07:29 |
| Navi | mhm | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, and what would they do? | 07:29 |
| johnx | uhm, move | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | moving is expensive | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | in money and emotionally too | 07:30 |
| doc|home | so, eh, then he's fucked either way :) | 07:30 |
| johnx | yeah, it's called priorities | 07:30 |
| doc|home | the government not doing checks is moot :) | 07:30 |
| johnx | "Do I value my health more than my home?" if yes, move | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | i think nyc area is pretty polluted too | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:30 |
| johnx | oh for sure | 07:31 |
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| KotCzarny | as all of the big cities | 07:31 |
| johnx | it all comes down to priorities and your own cost/benefit analysis | 07:31 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm off for now | 07:31 |
| johnx | 'later all | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | what's interesting in his story that electronics has higher failure rate there | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 07:32 |
| Grackle | Radon is pretty heavy. Ventilate the main rooms and avoid laying down in the basement.. :P | 07:32 |
| Navi | You should know whether or not you live in a safe environment when you move there in the first place | 07:32 |
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| KotCzarny | grackle: if the wind is calm radon keeps accumulating, to the 4-5th floor high | 07:32 |
| fysa | the problem is people lived in these places for generations before knowing what radon is. | 07:32 |
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| doc|home | KotCzarny: then I definitely think it's time to move | 07:33 |
| Grackle | It's really that bad? Yikes. | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's a poor area though | 07:33 |
| Grackle | Around here it seeps into basements, but that's about it. | 07:33 |
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| fysa | http://pastebin.com/f36e65d33 | 07:40 |
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| fysa | Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- | 07:41 |
| fysa | -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- | 07:41 |
| fysa | Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP | 07:41 |
| fysa | Nokia-N800-50- 300M 2776 96 5304 14 3554 16 3014 98 13488 16 198.7 1 | 07:41 |
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| fysa | see the pastebin for full. | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | now the same for ext3 pls | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:41 |
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| fysa | testing the 16GB card first, then I will try ext3 | 07:42 |
| fysa | will let it run while I sleep.. night night | 07:42 |
| Navi | Something's borked... | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | night | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:42 |
| rm_you | hrm... soo....... so far, my device has been working after reflash | 07:43 |
| rm_you | which is weird..... since it was dieing on both the flash OS and when running debian from SD >_> | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: lucky you :) | 07:43 |
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| rm_you | maybe debian was trying to load the flash memory part just for fun, and then would die | 07:43 |
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| KotCzarny | or just temperature finally stabilized broken connection somewhere | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:45 |
| rm_you | so i guess after finals are over i can start work on Adv-BL again | 07:46 |
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| Navi | johnx, the seller doesn't exist on ebay anymore :( | 07:54 |
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| benh | somebody knows what's the "user_activated" argument passed to a control panel ? | 08:52 |
| benh | it's not totally clear to me from the doc | 08:52 |
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| inz | Hmm, update manager wants to upgrade my scratchbox | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | go for it | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:51 |
| inz | Of course I do | 09:51 |
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| zap | Hello everybody again! :) I somehow managed to break my theme such that all selected items and buttons and checkboxes etc are invisible :-( Switching the theme does not help. Any idea how to reset the theme completely? | 10:04 |
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| Cptnodegard | try searching internettablettalk, i know ive read about that problem there somwhere | 10:09 |
| InteliWasp | is there a problem with viewing a large avi file? | 10:10 |
| Cptnodegard | InteliWasp: if the resolution and or bitrate is high you will get a very choppy playback, but the physical size of the file doesnt matter (meaning if its a 1GB file because its a long movie its ok if the bitrate and resolution is supported without problem) | 10:13 |
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| InteliWasp | the resolution is 640x480, i am not shure what bit rate it is... | 10:16 |
| Cptnodegard | how long is it? | 10:17 |
| Cptnodegard | and what file size | 10:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | at that resolution i think youll get a very choppy video, especially if its a lot of action/fast moving (because bitrate will spike drastically in those scenes) | 10:18 |
| kulve | it's choppy in all cases with that resolution | 10:18 |
| zap | I found something about Control Panel -> Tools -> Restore Original Settings but I can't find any "Tools" in my Control Panel (OS 2008) | 10:19 |
| wnd | zap, check the application menu | 10:20 |
| InteliWasp | crud... is there anything i can do? | 10:21 |
| zap | ah, dumb me | 10:21 |
| kulve | InteliWasp: transcode it to lower resolution | 10:22 |
| zap | bah, asks me the lock code | 10:22 |
| InteliWasp | do you recomend any linux base transcoders? | 10:22 |
| zap | is there any way to reset it? I've got anew device and dunno what's it initially | 10:22 |
| InteliWasp | zap, 1234 | 10:23 |
| InteliWasp | i think... | 10:23 |
| zap | InteliWasp, you can try mencoder and some wrapper thing like this: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/tinyavi/ | 10:23 |
| zap | InteliWasp, 1234 doesnt work :( | 10:24 |
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| zap | ah, 12345\ | 10:25 |
| InteliWasp | doh! i forgot the 5 | 10:26 |
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| zap | sad, Restore Original Settings didn't help. | 10:29 |
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| zap | hmm, "Clear Device" did not removed all packages I have installed | 10:36 |
| zap | and I still have invisible (many) controls | 10:37 |
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| zap | Haha, found the post with the same problem, 0 answers since 12 January :-((( | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | zap: i'd personally just throw the towel in the ring and reflash if it messes up that badly :P | 11:00 |
| zap | yes, I could do that but what if it happens again? I usually tend to know what's going on, and not blindly rely on reflashing... | 11:01 |
| zap | s/to know/to understand | 11:02 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:18 |
| zap | Anybody knows where Maemo holds the theme settings, and the themes themselves? | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | /usr/share/themes ? | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | good night ppl | 11:22 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:49 |
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| X-Fade_ | Morning Khertan. | 11:50 |
| Khertan | HELP ! HELP ! HELP ! HELP ! :) | 11:50 |
| X-Fade_ | Where is the fire? | 11:50 |
| Cptnodegard | root/fire/ ? | 11:50 |
| Khertan | maybe some python guru can help me ... on my debian datetime.datetime.now() return a date with a timezone (tzname) ... but in maemo ... i get a None object for the timezone ... | 11:51 |
| Khertan | a locale setting ? maybe ? | 11:51 |
| Khertan | hi X-Fade_ :) | 11:51 |
| Khertan | (managing timezone in python is a real pain ... mainly with google agenda api ... !) | 11:51 |
| X-Fade_ | Working on a agenda desktop plugin? :) | 11:52 |
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| Khertan | working on a agenda ... with google sync ... and an home desktop plugin ;) | 11:52 |
| Khertan | agenda works ... google sync too ... but with some delta in hours ... due to timezone ... | 11:53 |
| Khertan | (recurring event isn't implemented too) | 11:53 |
| Khertan | (yet) | 11:53 |
| X-Fade_ | Nice :) | 11:54 |
| Khertan | thx | 11:54 |
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| Khertan | google api isn't really a good api ... | 11:55 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, you still around? | 12:01 |
| lcuk | mornin folks \:D | 12:02 |
| Blafasel | Moin | 12:04 |
| Khertan | -- ? | 12:05 |
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| benh | hrm | 12:26 |
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| benh | I have a question with the SDK env. | 12:26 |
| benh | I'm trying to fakeroot dpkg -i mypackage.dep in there | 12:27 |
| benh | and it fails bcs it can't find "su" | 12:27 |
| benh | (which is normally provided by busybox) | 12:27 |
| benh | what am I missing ? | 12:27 |
| benh | hrm... killall too | 12:27 |
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| fysa | Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- | 13:33 |
| fysa | -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- | 13:33 |
| fysa | Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP | 13:33 |
| fysa | Nokia-N800-50- 300M 1120 93 3369 10 2545 15 3012 98 13229 17 175.6 1 | 13:33 |
| fysa | ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- | 13:33 |
| fysa | -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- | 13:33 |
| fysa | files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP | 13:33 |
| fysa | 16 6 79 42 58 44 47 10 76 32 62 20 63 | 13:33 |
| fysa | Nokia-N800-50-2,300M,1120,93,3369,10,2545,15,3012,98,13229,17,175.6,1,16,6,79,42,58,44,47,10,76,32,62,20,63 | 13:33 |
| fysa | http://pastebin.com/f699c99 | 13:33 |
| fysa | 16GB Transcend SDHC | 13:33 |
| * ccooke notes that 16GB micro SDHC are actually available now... | 13:40 | |
| evaryont_ | Ok, I can't open this PDF AT ALL.... | 13:40 |
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| Turrican_ | hi | 13:56 |
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| iDS | um with which app can i see the info from my n800 system? | 14:11 |
| johnx | what kind of info? | 14:12 |
| johnx | command line or GUI? | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | meh, customers | 14:35 |
| RST38h | KILL! | 14:35 |
| lcuk | noooo, they help pay my wages | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | just lots of eye rolling this morning | 14:36 |
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| lopz | morning | 14:43 |
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| unixSnob | how do I force the keyboard to appear? I'm selecting a text field on the n800, and it's not appearing | 15:00 |
| johnx | were you using a bt or usb keyboard before that? | 15:00 |
| unixSnob | I have a usb keyboard that I could go hook up.. but it's not conventient | 15:01 |
| johnx | the problem tends to appear when you've had a bt or usb keyboard plugged in and then unplug it | 15:02 |
| unixSnob | ah, I didn't quite answer you.. no, i wasn't using it. | 15:02 |
| unixSnob | I've typed from the touch screen since the last time i used the usb keyboard | 15:02 |
| johnx | interesting. the center d-pad button should make the thumbboard appear | 15:02 |
| johnx | does that work or does it act like you pressed return? | 15:03 |
| unixSnob | interesting.. it acted like a return key the first time.. but the second time it gave me a full screen keyboard | 15:04 |
| unixSnob | ultimately, it worked. Thanks! | 15:05 |
| johnx | sure | 15:05 |
| johnx | it seems like the tablets can run into issues switching between usb/bt and onscreen keyboards | 15:05 |
| johnx | I wonder if there's a bug number... | 15:05 |
| unixSnob | BTW, the text field was for a banking website trying to authenticate me.. so a security feature may have been interfering | 15:06 |
| johnx | probably not | 15:07 |
| johnx | but the browser seems to have more buggy issues with the onscreen keyboard than any other app | 15:07 |
| unixSnob | sometimes it just takes a second try | 15:07 |
| unixSnob | but this is the first time I had to do something different | 15:08 |
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| johnx | it really doesn't like the fullscreen thumbboard :/ | 15:08 |
| sp3000 | unixSnob: perhaps there's a bug on it | 15:12 |
| unixSnob | that's what I would call it.. it didn't do what it was supposed to | 15:13 |
| sp3000 | the submit vs bring up fkb thing | 15:13 |
| unixSnob | ah, yeah, that would be another bug | 15:14 |
| sp3000 | it might depend on whether you focused the field or whether it was by script, for instance | 15:14 |
| unixSnob | Well, I think there's a 3rd bug in there.. because sometimes the keyboard does appear, but my entry goes to an unfocused field | 15:14 |
| sp3000 | heh | 15:15 |
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| unixSnob | that's a rare problem though.. the workaround is just to tap around the screen and refocus the field | 15:16 |
| sp3000 | bugs with minimal testcase pages and steps if you can :) | 15:16 |
| johnx | is there an official nokia name for the software fullscreen thumbboard? | 15:17 |
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| Atarii | finally got my iGo keyboard :) | 15:18 |
| sp3000 | dunno, thumb finger fkb should be a decent set of search words | 15:18 |
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| unixSnob | the pdf reader doesn't seem to be integrated w/ the browser too well. If I choose to view a pdf, i just end up with a blank browser screen | 15:22 |
| unixSnob | I need to choose 'save' and then open the pdf as a separate step, it seems | 15:22 |
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| sp3000 | haven't seen that | 15:26 |
| sp3000 | has an evince install done something funny? | 15:26 |
| sp3000 | not sure if a site could cause that, unless it embeds in some sort of explicit manner but I don't recall seeing such for pdfs | 15:27 |
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| sp3000 | getting a blank browser window in addition to pdf-viewer sounds entirely likely though, if the site assumes your browser embeds a pdf viewer and so the site targets the load in a new window | 15:28 |
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| sp3000 | firefox works around that by closing a new tab automatically if the only thing there was a load that went to an external helper, dunno if that is since 2 or 3 | 15:30 |
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| hrw | sp3000: it can be in 2 and 3 by plugin | 15:33 |
| Khertan | Hum ... create an event on google agenda ... localy ... 16h30 to 17h30 ... move it after sync on mCalendar ... to 17h40 to 18h40 ... and you get 21h40 to 22h40 on google agenda ... | 15:34 |
| sp3000 | sure, plugin since forever; I meant the workaround, which applies to other types too | 15:34 |
| Khertan | hum ... it seems my localtime/utctime problem isn't really well resolved ... | 15:34 |
| johnx | tell everyone they need to either use UTC or move to Greenwich :) | 15:36 |
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| Khertan | lol ... before say to france to not use this stupid daylight time ! | 15:37 |
| johnx | ~lart daylight savings time | 15:37 |
| * infobot whips out a sword and chops daylight savings time in half | 15:37 | |
| Khertan | and google to make a real api | 15:37 |
| johnx | in a past life as a sys admin I remember more than one occasion when daylight savings time changes caused problems for "legacy" systems... | 15:38 |
| Solarion | what's wrong with dst/ | 15:38 |
| Solarion | (at leat from a programming perspective, it's a non-issue) | 15:38 |
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| johnx | it's bearable as long as the gov't doesn't go mucking with it every year | 15:39 |
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| Solarion | heh. true. | 15:39 |
| johnx | it's fine for you programmers because you just rely on us sys admins to make sure everything is ok on the underlying system :P | 15:39 |
| Khertan | and it s a real pain to manage it in python ! | 15:39 |
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| Khertan | johnx > it s not really fine ! | 15:39 |
| Solarion | johnx: if it's not in seconds since the epoch, it's crap! | 15:39 |
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| johnx | Solarion, agreed! | 15:40 |
| Khertan | so google api sucks :) | 15:40 |
| johnx | Khertan, then lets overthrow the tyranny of our DST enforcing opressors! | 15:40 |
| Khertan | do u have a good online calendar alternativ ? | 15:41 |
| johnx | apparently gpe syncs with google calendar, but that's all I know | 15:41 |
| johnx | I don't keep a digital calendar right now | 15:42 |
| johnx | it's a whole bunch of words on a sheet of paper... | 15:42 |
| Khertan | johnx > gpe doesn't syncs with google calendar ... | 15:42 |
| Khertan | ermining do it ... | 15:42 |
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| johnx | can't you just have gpe-cal subscribe on one side and publish on another? | 15:43 |
| Khertan | 2008-05-06T17:11:00.00-02:00 give to google ... | 15:43 |
| Khertan | 2008-05-06T21:11:00.00-02:00 | 15:44 |
| Khertan | ... ? :) | 15:44 |
| johnx | I really don't know | 15:44 |
| johnx | theoretically there are people who use this...I just don't know how | 15:44 |
| Khertan | i know ... but i don't like gpe | 15:45 |
| Khertan | it s why i'm doing my own calendar ... with integrated google agenda sync | 15:45 |
| johnx | I meant theoretically there are people who use the google calendar api | 15:45 |
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| Khertan | yes ... and erminig author say that is a real pain to use api :) | 15:46 |
| Khertan | yeah ... now it s works ... | 15:47 |
| Khertan | utc time powa :) | 15:47 |
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| johnx | everyone move to greenwich! | 15:47 |
| Khertan | lol :) | 15:48 |
| Khertan | no of course using local time of the nit | 15:48 |
| Turrican_ | someone who know where i can found this theme -> http://www.sktc.net/~wowbagger/screenshot00.png ? | 15:52 |
| Turrican_ | (sorry for the lame question :P) | 15:53 |
| Khertan | ar !!! again a stupid question .... !!! Burn this user !!!! | 15:54 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:54 |
| johnx | no problem, but that's a theme for OS2006 or OS2007 | 15:54 |
| johnx | Turrican_, which tablet and OS are you using? | 15:54 |
| Khertan | ouch it s a theme for OS2006 | 15:54 |
| Turrican_ | johnx: i have a n800/os2008 | 15:55 |
| johnx | then you probably won't be able to use that theme | 15:56 |
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| johnx | It's one of the default themes on OS2006 so you could unpack it from there and use the graphics to make yourself a new theme that looks like it | 15:56 |
| johnx | depends on how motivated you are I guess :) | 15:56 |
| sp3000 | isn't that rather one of the 2007 builtins | 15:56 |
| johnx | is it? | 15:56 |
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| johnx | hmm, maybe so | 15:57 |
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| Turrican_ | johnx: I bought it about a week ago, so I'm a bit newbie at the moment :P | 15:57 |
| Turrican_ | johnx: anyway tnx for the info | 15:57 |
| johnx | then you might have to learn to live without the theme for a while :) | 15:58 |
| Turrican_ | btw, so avoid stupid question in a develop channel, is there a channel for newbies? =) | 15:58 |
| johnx | nah, this is the general channel. | 15:58 |
| johnx | just ask here | 15:58 |
| Turrican_ | johnx: hehe, I'll try :P | 15:58 |
| johnx | everyone is pretty friendly :) | 15:58 |
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| Turrican_ | wow, an unix-like channel friendly ? | 15:59 |
| Turrican_ | nokia do miracles =) | 15:59 |
| johnx | :P | 16:00 |
| Turrican_ | *makes | 16:00 |
| Turrican_ | i'm also lame with the english :P | 16:00 |
| johnx | that's fine. So am I and it's my native language :D | 16:01 |
| Turrican_ | i should find an italian channel about NITs | 16:01 |
| Turrican_ | =) | 16:01 |
| unixSnob | #maemo-it | 16:01 |
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| unixSnob | caveat: you might be the only one in it | 16:02 |
| Turrican_ | ehehe, a little poor :P | 16:02 |
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| Turrican_ | anyway, i think i have to learn the basic information about n800 before asking here another lame question, I fear that sooner or later someone will ban me :P | 16:04 |
| Turrican_ | aaah | 16:04 |
| Turrican_ | a good question | 16:04 |
| johnx | the worst we'll do is point you at google or tell you to RTFM :) | 16:05 |
| Turrican_ | is there any tool for linux/win to download the entiry reposity of maemo.org? | 16:05 |
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| Turrican_ | johnx: yeah, is exactly what i mean :P | 16:05 |
| johnx | you could use wget on linux or any good downloader on windows | 16:05 |
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| Turrican_ | johnx: yep, but downloading by hands required too many time | 16:06 |
| johnx | ah yes, so that's why you download recursively :) | 16:07 |
| johnx | something like wget -l 5 -r http://repository.maemo.org/dists | 16:07 |
| johnx | but you'll want to limit it to certain paths | 16:07 |
| johnx | man wget and look at --include-directories | 16:08 |
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| Turrican_ | wow, I did not know that wget could download recursively | 16:08 |
| johnx | it just walks through a page of html and follows all the links :) | 16:09 |
| johnx | use --include-directories to tell it where to go | 16:09 |
| Turrican_ | the probability of being banned is lifted? =) | 16:09 |
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| Turrican_ | uhm, lifted = increased | 16:10 |
| Turrican_ | :P | 16:10 |
| johnx | nah | 16:10 |
| johnx | we don't ban people unless they're just hear to troll | 16:10 |
| johnx | we may laugh if you ask a silly question though :D | 16:10 |
| Turrican_ | I'm an Amiga/Pegasos user, so trolling here is a litte hard :P | 16:11 |
| johnx | heh | 16:12 |
| johnx | then you should be fine | 16:12 |
| Turrican_ | johnx: tnx so much for the info, i have to go away now | 16:13 |
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| Turrican_ | brb | 16:13 |
| johnx | alright | 16:13 |
| johnx | 'later | 16:13 |
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| tfujak | hi there, anyone succeeded with firefox Thumb build on maemo? | 16:48 |
| johnx | is that fennec or minefield? | 16:49 |
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| tfujak | no matter, the core is the same, they differ at xul level, don't they? | 16:50 |
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| johnx | I dunno. All I know is there are builds for each on internettablettal.com/forums | 16:50 |
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| tfujak | I'll chech that, thanks johnx | 16:51 |
| johnx | sure | 16:51 |
| tfujak | is it http iirc, or sth else? | 16:52 |
| johnx | er, sorry, didn't type it right | 16:52 |
| johnx | http://internettablettalk.com/forums | 16:52 |
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| tfujak | right, works now :) | 16:53 |
| mbuf | GtkCellRenderer cannot be displayed when used with hildon framework? it doesn't show up in the output, only GtkListStore contents are getting displayed | 16:54 |
| inz | mbuf, erm? | 16:55 |
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| mbuf | inz, sorry, erm? | 16:56 |
| inz | mbuf, I didn't understand what you were asking | 16:56 |
| mbuf | inz, for this example, http://scentric.net/tutorial/ch-treeview.html ; the table headers are not displayed, only the table data are getting displayed | 16:57 |
| inz | mbuf, ahh, the headers aren't the cell renderers | 16:57 |
| mbuf | inz, i see; but, running them standalone displays the table column headers | 16:58 |
| mbuf | inz, on the desktop gtk | 16:58 |
| mbuf | inz, is there any way, i can get those to be displayed? | 16:59 |
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| SDuensin | Morning gang. | 16:59 |
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| SDuensin | Can I connect an N800 to a Windows box and have it appear as a large flash drive? I want to use mine to move a large file from one PC to another. | 17:00 |
| glass | isn't that default behavior of the usb port still? | 17:00 |
| mbuf | SDuensin, yes; it is the default behavior | 17:00 |
| glass | acting as a card reader for the memorycard thats in it | 17:01 |
| inz | mbuf, have you tried calling gtk_tree_view_set_headers_visible(yout_tree_view, TRUE); | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. Mine tried to connect as a computer. Lemme try it again. :-) | 17:01 |
| mbuf | inz, will try now | 17:01 |
| mbuf | inz, awesome! thanks | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | Ah. Gotta turn it on and *then* plug it in. :-) | 17:02 |
| * mbuf needs to get over the dirty habit of asking on IRC without checking the APIs | 17:03 | |
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| inz | mbuf, devhelp is your friend | 17:05 |
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| mbuf | inz, i see | 17:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning all from JavaOne | 17:33 |
| johnx | mornin' :) | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7379554.stm | 17:36 |
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| johnx | thank you RST38h for that bit of randomness O_o | 17:38 |
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| unixSnob | Jaffa - you work for Sun? | 17:38 |
| * unixSnob contratulates jaska for surviving the RiF | 17:39 | |
| unixSnob | s/jaska/Jaffa/ | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | unixSnob: Nope, work for a small software house/consultancy in London. Here entirely for fun, err, I mean work *cough* | 17:41 |
| jaska | o.O | 17:41 |
| * unixSnob wonders whether to dump more money into Sun stock, while it's down | 17:43 | |
| Khertan | someone know a python script that sync a local folder to an ftp directory ? | 17:43 |
| jott | Jaffa: remember to bug the arm folks about jazelle ;) | 17:44 |
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| unixSnob | Jaffa: So you contribute to the JavaOne project.. or you're using it? | 17:44 |
| johnx | Khertan, ftp is your only access? | 17:44 |
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| unixSnob | Khertan: Write a python script that simply calls wget ;) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | or wput | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:46 |
| johnx | or curl | 17:46 |
| jott | or import ftplib | 17:47 |
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| Khertan | yes of course i can write it ... | 17:49 |
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| Khertan | but i ask before ... to not recreate the wheel | 17:49 |
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| lirakis_work | i keep trying to install "modest" email client on my N810 but it always fails to install saying there are several applications missing that are required. libalarm > 0.5.18, libhildonfm > 1.1.9.49 ....etc. | 18:01 |
| lirakis_work | am i missing a repo or some thing? | 18:01 |
| sp3000 | how and on what os rel? | 18:01 |
| lirakis_work | sp3000: os2008 v 1.2007.42-19 (default from out of the box) ... and i just went to the maemo garage page for modest and clicked "install now" on my n810 | 18:03 |
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| sp3000 | I have os2008 2007.51, 034\!0" 85 4317843" 5\!5 | 18:04 |
| sp3000 | er | 18:04 |
| sp3000 | , perhaps it requires that | 18:04 |
| * sp3000 left fn on :) | 18:05 | |
| lirakis_work | like i said.. this is whatever it came with .. i havent done any system "updates" | 18:05 |
| lirakis_work | is there a way to do an OS update ? | 18:05 |
| johnx | yes | 18:05 |
| lirakis_work | when i check for updates .. it just says the map application has an update.. but when i say ok.. it says it will break stuff and it wont update | 18:06 |
| johnx | are you using linux, mac os x or windows on your desktop/laptop? | 18:06 |
| lirakis_work | lol | 18:06 |
| sp3000 | "the latest OS2008" says the page, yeah | 18:06 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: linux | 18:06 |
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| johnx | here you are: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 18:06 |
| sp3000 | lirakis_work: os update is reflash atm unfortunately | 18:06 |
| lirakis_work | sp3000: hmm that sucks | 18:06 |
| johnx | use the backup tool first and backup anything you can't live with out by hand | 18:07 |
| johnx | yeah, a separate /home partition would have been nice, but it's never easy to figure out the right split for something like that | 18:07 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: arlight .. so .. before i go reflashing everything | 18:08 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: do you think this will solve my "problem" | 18:08 |
| lirakis_work | about not being able to install modest email | 18:08 |
| johnx | of the right versions not being available? I can check for you | 18:08 |
| johnx | if you open x terminal and type apt-cache policy libalarm and pastebin the results I can compare it to mine and we can see if the upgraded libalarm between your OS release and the latest one | 18:09 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: .. okay one minute | 18:10 |
| johnx | it'll take me a minute too, Have to boot my N800 up | 18:10 |
| lirakis_work | it says "unable to locate package libalarm" | 18:11 |
| johnx | ok, try with libhildonfm | 18:11 |
| lirakis_work | same | 18:12 |
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| johnx | ah, I see. try with libalarm0 | 18:13 |
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| lirakis_work | http://rafb.net/p/woZjlM13.html | 18:16 |
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| johnx | lirakis_work, for libalarm0 I see version 0.5.18 installed, and for libhildonfm2 I see 1:1.9.49 installed | 18:16 |
| johnx | yes, I think the versions I have came with the new OS release | 18:17 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: soo.. what does that mean for me? | 18:17 |
| lirakis_work | oh ok | 18:17 |
| johnx | I think I would remember if I updated core system stuff like that by hand | 18:17 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: alright.. kinda sux but (shrug) .. i just want to get mail setup to play nice with gmail ... im surprised that gmail imap is so jacked with the default mail client | 18:18 |
| johnx | the default client is jacked. full stop. | 18:18 |
| lirakis_work | lol | 18:18 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: so would you reccomend claws or modest? | 18:18 |
| johnx | I like modest | 18:19 |
| lirakis_work | or some thing else | 18:19 |
| lirakis_work | ok | 18:19 |
| johnx | nice big finger friendly labels | 18:19 |
| lirakis_work | cool .. that sounds good to me | 18:19 |
| lirakis_work | :D | 18:19 |
| johnx | if you need the features in claws then go for it, but definitely try modest first | 18:19 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: i appreciate your help.. i will work towards doing a firmware update | 18:19 |
| johnx | when you flash the new OS, don't even give the default email client your account info, otherwise it will lork in the background taking up CPU time | 18:20 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: ooo | 18:20 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: good tip | 18:20 |
| johnx | the next release Nokia does will make modest the builtin email client (and also allow updates without a reflash) | 18:21 |
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| lirakis_work | johnx: .. now do you know if i can reflash to the latest? | 18:22 |
| lirakis_work | or do i need to do sequential updates? | 18:22 |
| johnx | reflash directly to the latest | 18:22 |
| lirakis_work | ok great | 18:22 |
| johnx | each flash is a complete system | 18:22 |
| johnx | even replaces parts it doesn't need to :) | 18:23 |
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| jott | otoh one could easily write a script that extracts / dpkg-repacks all packages in an image and put the stuff on a local repository and get "seamless updates" right now ;) | 18:25 |
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| johnx | and maybe it would even work if they actually designed the .deb packages with upgrading in mind :) | 18:26 |
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| jott | heh are there really packages with same version but different content? | 18:27 |
| johnx | I don't mean that. I mean handling configuration changes and such | 18:27 |
| jott | ah | 18:27 |
| jott | yeah | 18:27 |
| jott | dpkg --purge :p | 18:28 |
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| lirakis_work | does anyone know the path to "Documents, Games, Etc..." | 18:32 |
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| lirakis_work | im trying to find it... the dir structure is quite bizzare | 18:32 |
| Cptnodegard | no but im sure its paved with good intentions | 18:32 |
| Cptnodegard | (sorry bad pun) | 18:32 |
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| johnx | "Documents" is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents | 18:33 |
| johnx | Games and Audio are both other hidden directories under MyDocs | 18:33 |
| lirakis_work | johnx: great thanks | 18:34 |
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| scibot | Hi, going to see if I can get google gears working offline. | 18:44 |
| johnx | scibot, Have you seen the stuff on itt about it? | 18:44 |
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| scibot | Yep, I think I might know a work around for the browser. | 18:45 |
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| johnx | ah, very cool | 18:45 |
| scibot | It's a hunch at the moment, I just need my n800 to finish some downloads before I start playing with offline mode. =P | 18:46 |
| scibot | I would really like to get Remember the Milk and Google Docs working offline. =) | 18:51 |
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| scibot | Okay testing. | 19:12 |
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| scibot | Shit, didn't work. =/ | 19:15 |
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| anidel | hello | 19:15 |
| johnx | hi | 19:15 |
| anidel | hi | 19:15 |
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| Navi | libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out <- wtf? | 19:31 |
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| Daemonik | Just got a Nokia N810, seeing I have to use the flasher here. Why can't this thing apt-get dist-upgrade? What is the flasher doing that apt-get dist-upgrade couldn't do? | 19:34 |
| Fatal | upgrade kernel and whatnot | 19:35 |
| sp3000 | provide a known state :) | 19:35 |
| johnx | also, nokia probably hasn't designed .deb packages with upgrading in mind. | 19:35 |
| johnx | they plan to have apt-get upgrades in the next release | 19:35 |
| scibot | johnx, Got it working, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP/ | 19:35 |
| Fatal | johnx: they do? sweet | 19:36 |
| johnx | ah, the ol' dummyiap | 19:36 |
| scibot | I was hoping for a cleaner solution than that, but it's there if people need it. =/ | 19:36 |
| johnx | Fatal, yeah "Seamless software upgrade" or some such buzzword | 19:36 |
| Fatal | haha, got to love new buzzwords for old known concepts | 19:37 |
| Navi | Web 2.0! Ajax! | 19:37 |
| Fatal | you forgot dhtml | 19:37 |
| Fatal | :) | 19:37 |
| Navi | Ah, right | 19:38 |
| johnx | does anyone use dhtml these days? | 19:38 |
| Navi | That one died out a while ago | 19:38 |
| johnx | yeah, I saw a neat demo once, but I guess it never developed the momentum that the latest AJAX craze has | 19:38 |
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| sp3000 | Fatal: why, what would you call it :) | 19:40 |
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| johnx | "you don't have to $%&$ing reflash your tablet everyime you change something"-upgrades | 19:41 |
| johnx | rolls off the tongue, no? | 19:41 |
| Fatal | sp3000: "Fully automated manual upgrade procedure using apt or whatever or maybe not<tm>" | 19:42 |
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| sp3000 | but those are longer | 19:43 |
| Navi | d00d | 19:43 |
| Navi | y wun bc build | 19:43 |
| Navi | i needs teh browser engine svn | 19:43 |
| Navi | :<<<<< | 19:43 |
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| johnx | ah, great, you just used the less-than sign quota for the whole month :/ | 19:44 |
| Proteous | lol | 19:44 |
| johnx | sp3000, it doesn't really need a buzzword is the problem... | 19:44 |
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| Navi | Woo, less than! | 19:44 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, we'll have to :!<= until june | 19:45 |
| sp3000 | er | 19:45 |
| * johnx loves aptitude | 19:45 | |
| sp3000 | :!>= even | 19:45 |
| Navi | yay | 19:46 |
| * Navi hates APT in general | 19:47 | |
| sp3000 | johnx: meh, things need names, that one is reasonably concise and descriptive given the context of flashable updates | 19:47 |
| johnx | yeah, it's fine. It's just that it doesn't have a name anywhere else because it's what people expect | 19:47 |
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| Navi | Why am I getting timeouts with libfakeroot in sb? | 19:49 |
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| johnx | see if your machine's loopback iface is up? | 19:51 |
| johnx | ifconfig lo | 19:51 |
| sp3000 | l | 19:52 |
| Navi | It's up | 19:52 |
| sp3000 | ahhahahaha. | 19:52 |
| scibot | johnx, Okay works fine, I use the DummyIAP and http://www.rememberthemilk.com/offline and it does its thing, after that I switch into offline mode to minimise battery usage. | 19:52 |
| scibot | Don't need bluetooth running otherwise. | 19:52 |
| johnx | scibot, that's pretty cool | 19:52 |
| johnx | Navi, I don't know, then | 19:52 |
| Navi | :/ | 19:53 |
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| Navi | huh, can't even ping myself | 19:53 |
| scibot | johnx, It's a bit of a pain and I can't wait for them to sort it out properly, but for now that means I can use it anywhere provided I'm ready to spend 10 seconds selecting the DEFAULT connection. | 19:53 |
| Navi | reboot it is | 19:53 |
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| scibot | johnx, Should I add that to the latest google gears thread? | 19:54 |
| johnx | that would probably be nice | 19:54 |
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| WorkingOnWise | has here anyone put Ubuntu Hardy on their N8x0? | 20:01 |
| Navi | :P | 20:01 |
| anidel | :) I just put it on my laptop and desktop box.. give me time :p | 20:02 |
| johnx | maybe that guy who posted the page about it? | 20:02 |
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| anidel | (kidding) | 20:02 |
| johnx | ah, hardy. Someone compiled the feisty packages I believe | 20:02 |
| johnx | and debian runs of course | 20:02 |
| johnx | what were you looking for in hardy (out of curiosity)? | 20:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | my bad....I meant gutsy.... hardy is not done yet.... | 20:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | i want a good pim, so I want to see how well evolution is on the it | 20:03 |
| Navi | heh | 20:03 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 20:03 |
| johnx | ahaha | 20:03 |
| johnx | *cough* | 20:03 |
| Navi | Woo, bc installed | 20:03 |
| Navi | johnx, a lot of people on ITT have this misconception. | 20:04 |
| Navi | it's not nice to laugh :( | 20:04 |
| johnx | I'm thinking evolution will be a little starved for RAM | 20:04 |
| johnx | nah, I'm laughing at how big of an app evolution is for a mail client and the thought of subjecting an innocent n8x0 to it | 20:04 |
| WorkingOnWise | i think your right, but I'd like to see. there has GOT to a reasonable pim for this thing. | 20:04 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, sorry to laugh :| | 20:05 |
| Navi | You're so mean | 20:05 |
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| Navi | The new pimlico stuff needs to be ported over | 20:05 |
| Navi | someone do that while I sleep | 20:05 |
| johnx | there's newer stuff than what we have? | 20:05 |
| Navi | They split it into backend/frontend | 20:06 |
| johnx | it needs hildonization? or what? | 20:06 |
| Navi | and none of that stuff has been ported ovah | 20:06 |
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| Navi | the stuff that we have now isn't being worked on :/ | 20:06 |
| Navi | hildonization, I guess | 20:07 |
| scibot | I want to try Google Docs, but I think I might've set it to deny it from using google gears... | 20:07 |
| scibot | Anyone know how to change that? | 20:07 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, gene cash's todo and calend seem nice | 20:08 |
| WorkingOnWise | sorry for the lag. getting coffee. | 20:08 |
| johnx | no problem. I understand the need for coffee | 20:09 |
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| WorkingOnWise | in a perfect world, is what I want is a pim that has great contact management and cal functions, that will at least import/export clean standard files soi can manually sync. is what i have seen so far is some nice things that dont integrate well with each other at all.... | 20:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | todo would be great, but that is pretty easy to manage on multiple machines. | 20:11 |
| johnx | integration looks like the sticking point in all this stuff :/ | 20:11 |
| WorkingOnWise | translate - Evolution on the IT :D | 20:11 |
| WorkingOnWise | it really is | 20:12 |
| johnx | you really like this idea, huh? | 20:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | the idea of evolution on the IT? | 20:12 |
| johnx | I'll tell you what, while I'm working on debian, I'll install it and take a screenshot, fair enough? | 20:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok. then we know howmuch of a dogit really ishuh! | 20:14 |
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| johnx | mainly the problem will be screen real estate and memory usage | 20:15 |
| johnx | (I think) | 20:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | yeah. i just shrank the evolution window down to 800x480. the interface would need some changes for that small a screen | 20:17 |
| johnx | run top and tell me about the memory usage... | 20:17 |
| WorkingOnWise | 50MB for the 3 components | 20:19 |
| johnx | hey, that's not that bad | 20:19 |
| johnx | I thought it would be far worse | 20:19 |
| WorkingOnWise | i wasexpecting 100+ | 20:19 |
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| johnx | yeah, me too | 20:19 |
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| WorkingOnWise | one more reason tolove evolution | 20:20 |
| johnx | so if you can tolerate it being squished up with tiny fonts, than sure it'll be runnable in debian | 20:20 |
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| WorkingOnWise | i'll tel you what. If I have evolution runable on my 800, I'd learn what I need to tweak the interface so its better on the IT. maybe a mini-forkovevolution. | 20:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | darn crumbs under my space bar!!! | 20:22 |
| WorkingOnWise | oh for the want of crumbless bread! | 20:22 |
| johnx | alright, well, I'll do a new Debian release sometime in the next couple weeks and you can have evolution :) | 20:22 |
| Navi | Woo | 20:23 |
| konttori | BTW: The new seamless updates are debian package based updates | 20:23 |
| Navi | johnx is evolving! | 20:23 |
| * Navi hums the Pokemon evolution song | 20:23 | |
| konttori | And it works really well. | 20:23 |
| WorkingOnWise | you'd be my HERO johnx!!!! | 20:23 |
| scibot | johnx, Well at least that sorts out which todo list application I'll be using. | 20:23 |
| Navi | konttori, cool | 20:23 |
| johnx | WorkingOnWise, don't get your hopes up. Debian still has a *long* way to go in usability on the n8x0 | 20:23 |
| johnx | but it will give you a good idea of how evolution would perform if you just did a straight compile for os2008 | 20:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | shhh....dont dash me so fast man! lemme bask in the false glory!!!!! | 20:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | cool | 20:24 |
| konttori | I'm very much hoping you guys will enjoy them. Well, also the update notification, I'm really especially looking forward to see how much that helps the developers lives | 20:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol | 20:24 |
| Navi | Yay, that stoopid microb svn is building (finally) | 20:24 |
| johnx | konttori, that sounds really nice | 20:24 |
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| konttori | johnx: I would also like to know of the evolution speed. | 20:30 |
| johnx | so would I | 20:30 |
| konttori | By the way, the addressbook on maemo is using the same backend for contacts as evolution is (EDS) | 20:30 |
| johnx | I'll try it once this apt-get upgrade finishes and I can make a quick rsync | 20:30 |
| WorkingOnWise | just sat back down...I wasnt laughing at you konttori a few mins ago there | 20:30 |
| konttori | WorkingOnWise: good for you! | 20:30 |
| johnx | konttori, so does that give us the possibility of syncing it without too much pain | 20:31 |
| johnx | ? | 20:31 |
| Navi | konttori, ooh | 20:31 |
| Navi | syncevolution ftw | 20:31 |
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| konttori | johnx: Well, you should be able to use any eds based upstream syncing suites to do the job | 20:32 |
| konttori | Navi: indeed | 20:32 |
| konttori | Anyway, so if you find such things, compile, pack and launch to the people. I'm sure they will be appreciated | 20:32 |
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| Navi | you can do the same with pimlico, but I'm much too lazy to try it myself | 20:32 |
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| johnx | that really doesn't sound that hard. I'm surprised no one has done it yet... | 20:32 |
| konttori | or, you can just do the syncing yourself on python using the python abook libraries | 20:33 |
| Navi | johnx, probably isn't | 20:33 |
| konttori | should not be too hard that way (e.g. google syncing) | 20:33 |
| Navi | I'll give it a go after exam week is over | 20:33 |
| Navi | Two more exams and this semester is over, woo \o/ | 20:33 |
| johnx | fun, fun | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Navi: what school? | 20:34 |
| Navi | UT @ Arlington | 20:34 |
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| Navi | I should hold back on the personal information more. | 20:35 |
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| nelson | why are my gmail IM's coming in on both my desktop and my n810? | 20:38 |
| nelson | I'm marked as away on my n810. | 20:39 |
| Navi | That's what it does. | 20:39 |
| nelson | Is the IM client on the n810 broken? | 20:39 |
| nelson | Or is it simply buggy? | 20:39 |
| Navi | You usually stop getting IMs on one when you respond on the other | 20:39 |
| nelson | nope. | 20:39 |
| nelson | I've responded from the desktop. | 20:39 |
| nelson | and anyway, if I'm 'away', why should I be getting more than one IM notification? | 20:40 |
| * Navi shrugs | 20:40 | |
| nelson | seems to me like it should ping me once per person if I'm away, and shut up after that. | 20:40 |
| nelson | anyway, it's being very annoying. | 20:40 |
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| johnx | what's the behavior on the desktop version? | 20:40 |
| Navi | Probably not a bug, rather just a problem in implementation. | 20:40 |
| johnx | you could file an enhancement request | 20:41 |
| nelson | nevermind, I'll just turn my n810 off. | 20:41 |
| johnx | it won't get fixed unless you tell someone about it... | 20:41 |
| Navi | Enhancement request is the best... | 20:41 |
| nelson | johnx: right, because it's not open source. | 20:42 |
| nelson | http://opensource.org/node/333 | 20:42 |
| johnx | er, is this rtcomm beta? | 20:42 |
| johnx | or something else? | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | oh, btw, ever had the issue that the n810 just doesn't see a wifi network ? | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | nelson: it's controlled by the client on the remote end | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | like, it picks up 5 other networks, but is unable to see the access point 5ft away from ya ? | 20:43 |
| Robot101 | the usual behaviour is every resource receives the messages, until one replies, in which case a well-behaved client will reply to just that client | 20:43 |
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| Navi | crashanddie, never | 20:43 |
| Robot101 | awayness isn't a factor, unless you separately (by setting a negative priority) indicate you don't want to receive messages | 20:44 |
| johnx | nelson, what does that link have to do with, btw? | 20:44 |
| nelson | johnx: just because you build your software with open source bits, if it's proprietary, it'll still suck. | 20:44 |
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| Robot101 | the XMPP behaviour of the N810's IM client is entirely determined by an open source component | 20:45 |
| crashanddie | sucky software != proprietary software | 20:45 |
| johnx | nelson, but you just linked to a random article on your own blog complaining about the usability of closed source stuff. Am I missing something? | 20:45 |
| nelson | Robot101: hmmm..... so it sounds like it's gtalk that's screwing up. | 20:45 |
| Navi | Where the messages are sent is completely server-side anyways. | 20:45 |
| Robot101 | nelson: what client is the one that's messaging you? and do you keep receiving duplicated messages even after you've replied? | 20:45 |
| johnx | and nelson, the part of rtcomm that handles gtalk stuff is probably open source... | 20:46 |
| nelson | Robot101: gmail and ... yes. | 20:46 |
| Navi | johnx, libpurple is open | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't use libpurple on the device by default | 20:46 |
| nelson | ^gtalk | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | telepathy is used, and it's entirely open source | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | you can add a telepathy backend which uses libpurple if you wish | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | nelson: weird, I'd have expected gmail to get it right | 20:47 |
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| Robot101 | nelson: that's an issue on their end though, there's a simple trick which is to direct replies to the last resource you received messages from, which we do. | 20:47 |
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| Navi | It got it right the last time I tried it | 20:47 |
| Navi | (months ago) | 20:47 |
| nelson | so it looks like the problem is in gtalk, then. oh well. Have to get back to the issue I was being im'ed about, thanks all. | 20:49 |
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| Navi | zomg, gp2x has a paint program now. | 21:35 |
| johnx | do you have a gp2x? | 21:36 |
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| Navi | Not anymore | 21:36 |
| Navi | it's for the F200s anyways | 21:36 |
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| zap | What is the "HOME" button on N810? | 22:14 |
| kulve | it's the upper one in the left side (left on the display, not in the keyboard) | 22:15 |
| zap | the one with a square and a hook | 22:16 |
| kulve | probably.. | 22:17 |
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