IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-05-05

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lcukis it possible to blow the stack by passing too many parameters along a c vararg thing?01:17
AStormnot if properly done01:17
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lcuk1681 items01:17
derfCaller cleans stack in C.01:17
AStormin cdecl at least01:18
derfNo one cares about Microsoft.01:18
AStormin stdcall it's funnier01:18
AStormderf: you wish01:18
AStormin pascal it's diff too01:18
lcukthank you! i missed the final va_end(arg);01:18
derfPascal is not C.01:18
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AStormlcuk: whee :)01:19
AStormderf: you wish - you can call pascal code from C01:19
AStormbut there are no varargs there01:19
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derfAnd it's _still_ not C.01:19
lcukhmmm, still got the problem though01:20
AStormlcuk: doing something wrong01:22
AStormshow  us the code01:22
lcukthats one half..01:22
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lcukand this is the other01:23
lcukthe code appears to munch over another global variable outside of this code.  if i return early and only do a few small ones the effect isnt noticed01:25
AStormchar == uint?01:25
lcuk8bit byte01:25
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AStormyou must do va_list and va_start at the beginning01:25
lcuki tried it with chars but gcc told me the va_ functions could only take ints01:25
AStormnot somewhere in the middle01:26
lcuki do01:26
AStormno, you don't01:26
Proteousseems the top shelf of my fridge gets pretty cold01:26
lcukahh ok01:26
derfgcc is smarter than you.01:26
Proteousif you were wondering, yes you can freeze hard boiled eggs01:26
derfArguments automatically get promoted to ints in C.01:26
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AStormlcuk: at least va_list01:27
AStormlcuk: and use -Wall01:27
lcukive just moved both to be the first items in the function01:27
lcukin cflags?01:27
AStormwhat do you get? segfault?01:27
lcukno - i get something very strange happening in ive got a fullscreen menu showing, if i run through this code and return to the menu, it occupies half the screen instead of the whole thing01:28
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AStormI see no va_next01:29
lcukif i bailout of the big initialise function half way down (by just returning after the first few small ones) it doesnt happen01:29
AStormyou're looping over one item01:29
lcukno im not, it works in the other places -  theres no mention in the docs01:30
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AStormlcuk: you're mixing old-style with new style01:30
AStormva_list a;01:31
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AStormand do include stdarg.h01:32
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lcuki was doing01:35
AStormok, what does -Wall print?01:35
lcukand it works correctly until i have 324 params01:35
lcuki dunno, is that a gcc flag01:36
lcukooooer, its gonna take me a while, i gather thats extra checking...01:37
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AStormit is an essential cflag01:37
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AStormwnables most of important warnings01:37
lcukyes, its stopping on unused variable01:37
lcuknothing drastic, theres just a few there as code gets shuftied about01:38
AStormno invalid casts?01:38
lcukim gonna have to cleanse all code01:38
lcukno - like i said the warnings its moaning about aren't showstoppers yet01:38
lcukbut its gotta get through that with all files, ill come back in a few01:39
AStormwell, it should work... maybe you're overflowing some counter?01:39
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lcuklike i said, it works until i try using it with 324 items01:39
* lcuk is doin overkill01:40
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AStormmaybe some malloc is failing?01:40
AStormtry -lmudflap01:40
KotCzarnywhy not a single pointer to an array of those 700 items?01:41
AStormshould crash neatly on any corruption01:41
AStormKotCzarny: because he's making it a macro01:41
lcukbecause its not inline with the rest of the declaration, ive gotta start spreading out the bits i want together01:41
AStorma macro lookalike01:41
* KotCzarny likes arrays01:41
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lcukso do i01:41
* AStorm doesn't like **01:42
lcukand the original codegen did them as arrays, but then i needed arrays of sizes and it got spread out and to move something around would involve multiple cuts in multiple places01:42
lcukthis way i can just define a glyph entirely inline01:42
lcukany shaped brush i want01:43
lcuktheres an alternative function which takes byte * :)01:43
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cLinis there anyway in ssh to use a command to make the browser open and go to an address?01:51
cLinsay i wanted to load an url from my computer to my n80001:51
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iomarican someone tell me if it's possible to run apache on the n810?01:58
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jldiazcLin, better use wget01:59
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jldiaziomari, never tried, but read about. Appaerntly, yes02:02
Navibest to use something lighter02:02
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jldiazNavi, yeah, wget is a big app02:03
jldiazif you already have python installed, a simple script could do the trick02:03
NaviI'm not talking about wget02:04
NaviI was talking about apache :P02:04
jldiazah :)02:04
jldiazanyway, wget is also surprisingly heavy02:04
iomarinavi: which webserver would u advise?02:04
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jottcLin: you can use -> load_url http://foo02:05
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iomarinever heard of it. I'll look it up.02:06
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iomarithanks, i'll see if it will do the job.02:07
* KotCzarny likes thttpd02:08
iomarii'll check that one out also.02:10
jldiazwhy xterm does not store the shown/hidden status of the toolbar? I'm tired of hidding it in each xterm instance...02:14
jldiazI even edited the gconf file, chnging a true for false02:15
jldiazbut the true reappears!02:15
jottiomari: lighttpd should be faster and is more flexible than thttpd also it is under active development.02:16
jldiazI heard about an osso-xterm replacement. Is it available as .deb or only in source code?02:17
jldiazbtw, I'm using OS2008 on n81002:17
KotCzarnyjildiaz: then get any other terminal emulator02:17
KotCzarnyfe. aterm02:17
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jldiazany recomendation?02:18
jottjldiaz: or use a recent svn snapshot of the osso-xterm02:18
jldiazI'm basically happy with osso-xterm, except for the toolbar issue02:18
jottjldiaz: i made a build from a svn version which fixes most of the issues of the release version02:19
jldiazjott, this is source code, isn't?02:19
jldiazoh, sorry02:20
jottyes, osso-xterm is open source02:20
jottand in a public garage svn02:20
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jldiazyou typed faster than me. I was referring to the svn02:20
jldiazbut then you mentioned your build02:21
jldiazcan I downgrade in case of trouble?02:21
jottyes, just reinstall the old version either with apt-get or dpkg02:21
jldiazI'll give it a try then. Thanks!02:22
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jottinz: wouldn't it make sense to put debs of the tagged versions on the garage page?02:23
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RafaelHi dears02:30
jldiazhi Rafael02:30
Rafaelyesterday I become in here and yours give me a great tip02:31
Rafaelhowever, I need other :P02:32
Rafaelwith SSH...02:32
Rafaelanybody want help me?02:32
jldiazIf I can help...02:33
Rafaelok :)02:33
jldiazjott, do I need to install all the .debs in your xterm folder?02:33
Rafaelyes, exactaly02:33
jottjldiaz: no, osso-xterm_0.14.mh11_armel.deb libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb libvte-common_0.12.2-0mh7_all.deb are enough02:34
RafaelI "googling", however, I don't have success :(02:34
jldiazok jott, this was my guess02:34
jldiazRafael, what's your native tongue? (I can talk spanish)02:35
Rafaelhaha, sorry for my English02:36
Rafaelmy native tongue is Brazilian - Portuguese02:37
jldiazok, I was only trying to facilitate communication, no offense intended :-)02:37
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Rafaelhaha, no problem, I understand02:38
Rafaelok, where I can download this packs?02:39
jldiazwhat packages are you talking about? I was not here yesterdey02:39
jldiazdey -> day02:39
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Rafaelsorry again! osso-xterm_0.14.mh11_armel.deb libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb libvte-common_0.12.2-0mh7_all.deb...02:40
Rafaelthis packages I need to run OpenSSH on my device02:40
jldiazbut this is not related to ssh02:41
Rafaelyeah, I tried this Site, but, not acces :/02:41
jldiazthis is about xterm, the topic I was talking about with jott, before you arrival02:41
Rafaelsorry, I am confusing02:41
jldiazyou were about asking something about ssh, but then we mentioned those packages, which are not ssh related02:42
RafaelI have root, and need OpenSSH02:42
jldiazDo you want openssh in order to gain root access?02:42
Rafaelok, I understand02:42
tibiboAnd what problem?02:42
tibiboDownload it02:43
Rafaelno, I need access the devide by Ubuntu02:43
jldiazthen, from xterm, with root permissions, issue the command:02:43
jldiazapt-get install openssh02:44
RafaelI find this package openssh-client+server.install, but don't work02:44
Rafaelyeah, my Ubuntu worked with ssh, but on device I need install the OpenSSH server, right?02:44
tibiboAlways worked02:45
jldiazright, if you want to login in your device from the ubuntu machine02:45
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jldiaztried apt-get install openssh ?02:45
jldiazwhat is the result?02:46
Rafaelinstall normaly02:46
jldiazok, so what is the problem now?02:46
Rafaelbut, the device, don't have a server of SSH02:47
Rafaelso, I can't access it02:47
tibiboType ssh root@... Etc.02:47
jldiaztry: ps aux|grep ssh02:47
RafaelI try now02:47
Rafaelwait, please :)02:48
jldiaz"ps aux"  lists all processes running on your tablet. Piping this through | grep ssh, shows only those lines containing the "ssh" string, so you can find if you have any process running called ssh or similar02:49
tibiboStart sshd02:49
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tibiboWith sscript or by hand (;02:51
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tibiboWhat about porting on arm dc-client02:55
jldiazI'm going to bed02:55
jldiazsee ya02:55
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rafael_sorry, dears, I had problems with the connection02:59
jldiazrafael_, I'm going to bed, sorry03:01
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rafael_Ok :(03:01
jldiazdid you have any progress with the ps command?03:01
rafael_Thanks to help03:01
rafael_no, this is result of ps, "rafael    6458  0.0  0.0   3020   764 pts/0    R+   20:57   0:00 grep ssh"03:02
jldiazcan you see if you have the folder /etc/ssh ?03:02
rafael_yes, I have :)03:03
jldiazand if it contains the files ssh_host_dsa_key      ssh_host_key          ssh_host_rsa_key ?03:03
jldiazamong others03:03
jldiazif yes, as root, issue the command: /etc/init.d/ssh start03:04
jldiazthis should start your sshd server03:04
rafael_no, only "moduli" and "ssh_config"03:04
jldiazso this is the problem03:04
jldiazapparently the script which installs sshd did not set up correctly the server03:05
rafael_how I try? reinstall the ssh package?03:05
rafael_wait, this is on Ubuntu right? or on Device?03:05
jldiazall on device03:05
jldiazon ubuntu you only require the command ssh, not the server03:06
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rafael_I understand wrong, sorry again03:08
rafael_on device, this folder no exists03:09
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rafael_I need of any repositories to install openssh?03:09
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jldiazjust try as root:03:15
jldiazapt-get install openssh03:15
rafael_it return "couldn't find package openssh"03:17
rafael_and, it order that I run "apt-get update", and I run many times, and the return is the same03:18
jldiazyou need the repository "maemo"03:19
jldiazI thought  it was standard03:20
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rafael_just this03:22
rafael_I am listed only "Maemo Extras"03:23
jldiazyou can add it throuh the app manager03:23
rafael_yaeh, I know! ;)03:23
jldiaznot extras, only maemo03:24
jldiazfree non-free collections03:25
rafael_ok, "maemo Extras" was standard, I can Delete? or only add "maemo" on ""?03:25
jldiaz(only free is required for openssh, but better leave both)03:26
jldiazbetter add a new one03:26
jldiazif you delete a reposigory from which you installed somethin, you break the upgrade mechanism03:27
rafael_Yes, I know, only thought in my case was not necessary, but I leave it so good there, anyway now it makes no difference03:30
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rafael_(I do not know how to express laughter in English in Brazil is "haha" or something like)03:31
rafael_Its worked!03:31
jldiazjaja in spanish03:32
rafael_very very, thanks, I never imagined it would be a repository my problem03:33
KotCzarnyjaja means 'eggs' in polish03:33
rafael_yeah, the "jaja" I know! :P03:33
rafael_I have speaked with argentines03:34
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rafael_"eggs"? hahahahahahaha03:34
rafael_I did not mind03:34
jldiazjaja is pronounced like haha, but with a stronger h, like th x in mexico or TeX03:34
KotCzarnyin polish it's pronounced like yaya03:35
jldiazso no confusion wirh eggs when a spaniard is laughing :D03:36
rafael_si si, mi amygo, yo coñeso un poco de spañol, pero, no mucho!03:36
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rafael_this is laughter too03:36
jldiazwell, now really I'm going to sleep03:37
rafael_indeed in the Brazilian Portuguese, anything that has not entered sense is laugh! : P03:37
jldiazgood night (at least here)03:37
rafael_sorry for disturb dear fried03:38
rafael_good night03:38
jldiazI'm feeling fried too03:38
rafael_thank you make much again03:39
jldiazyoure welcome03:39
rafael_maybe one day I also help others as you, for now I only develop ... :)03:40
rafael_good night03:40
rafael_I am going too03:43
rafael_I'm tired, although not so late here in brazil03:44
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rafael_thanks all that help me :)03:44
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benhhrm... having a hard time trying to find the source for maemo-pc-connectivity03:58
benhtrying to figure out if it does something to dnsmasq when hooking up the USB networking03:58
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benhhow do one setup a DNS for the DEFAULT connection ?04:06
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pupnikWow asus claims 1 million Eee PCs sold.04:18
pupnikwe gotta make teh nokias even bettur :)04:18
GrackleThey're not really competing, are they?04:20
pupnikyes true04:20
pupnikperhaps a subset of consumers will be weighing the two vs each other04:21
GrackleI guess if I carried an eee around, I might not carry the n800. I'm not sure.04:21
* Grackle got an IT because it is pocket sized and doesn't require a bag to carry it in04:21
pupnikyes pocket sized is a different world04:22
GrackleI'd like an eee or something similar, though. They look awfully fun.04:22
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pupnikyes looking at my thinkpad, i might be just as well off with eee. just runs linux anyway04:23
GrackleI bought a fairly hefty laptop because I needed something portable, but didn't have money to get a decent desktop as well. I stand by that decision, but now that I have a nice desktop, I'd like a more portable laptop.04:25
GrackleWhat thinkpad do you have?04:25
KotCzarnythe best one04:25
KotCzarnythough i like x30 too04:25
GrackleI think I'd get a T40 if I were to buy a thinkpad04:26
KotCzarnyname t40 features you need04:26
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WormFoodI have a T30 (I'm using it now)...great machine!04:27
GrackleKotCzarny: I like how solid thinkpads are. The t40 is affordable, has well supported hardware, and doesn't contain a battery-gobbling core duo like the t69s04:28
Gracklet60s even04:28
GrackleHave a better suggestion?04:28
KotCzarnythe best in battery life04:28
KotCzarnyulv version of course04:28
SenileBobI'm looking to develop a custom application for the N800/810, I need to get hold of someone who knows their stuff who can help me out. Anyone interested in doing some programming work for me? :)04:28
Gracklethe x40 "lacks" a touchpad :|04:29
KotCzarnygrackle: i hate touchpads04:29
GrackleYeah. Seems like people go one way or the other.04:29
KotCzarnymy fingers get wet often04:29
KotCzarnyso touchpads stop working for me then04:30
GrackleI've never had such problems with my hp touchpad. It works quite well, even if I lick my finger (ew).04:30
GrackleBut I have had older laptops with horrific touchpads04:30
GrackleI think the technology has come a long way..04:30
KotCzarnybut i still prefer point stick way04:31
KotCzarnyit's less distracting when i'm typing04:31
GrackleIn any case, I have seen people use the stick point quite efficiently, and it looks nice for those who are used to it.04:31
* Grackle feels like a fish out of water if he's stuck with the trackpoint thing04:31
KotCzarnyyou should try 'power dome' cap sometimes04:32
GrackleIf it weren't for web pages, I wouldn't need a mouse.04:32
GrackleDamn you, internet.04:32
KotCzarnyah, sorry04:33
KotCzarnyit's 'soft rim'04:33
KotCzarnythird one04:33
KotCzarnyprovides the best feeling04:33
KotCzarnyand is easiest to move04:33
GrackleHmm, I didn't realize they came in different flavors.04:33
GrackleI think my friend has the soft dome one04:33
GrackleI'm sure I'd get used to it if I gave it a chance.04:34
KotCzarnythey are interchangeable too04:34
GrackleI see.04:34
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pupnikSenileBob: feel free to ask questions.  Check topic for links.  And tell about your project.04:38
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pupnikthink i might order some of those softrims04:39
pupnikSenileBob: you doing that home automation thing?04:39
SenileBobyes pupnik, thats the one :)04:42
SenileBobI found a programmer, but turns out he didnt have the time04:43
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unixSnobSenileBob, what's the home automation idea?  To use a NIT to control your lights?05:17
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SenileBobSomething like that :)05:20
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SenileBobbasically, control a whole house automation system (lighting, security, AV, heating/cooling, etc) - possibilities are endless05:20
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unixSnobvery cool.. and are the switches x10?05:21
SenileBobnot x10 - all Crestron hardware05:21
SenileBobhigh end automation05:21
SenileBobused in multi-million dollar residences, company board rooms, etc05:22
unixSnobI became an x10 fanatic (for a couple weeks), then one of the switches melted05:22
unixSnobI don't trust x1005:22
SenileBobeither do i ;)05:22
unixSnobhaven't heard of crestron05:22
SenileBobCrestron on the other hand - very reliable stuff05:22
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SenileBobits not something the average home owner uses, used mainly in high-end stuff05:22
unixSnobI like x10's prices.. too bad the stuff is a fire hazard, and flakey05:23
SenileBobyep. Crestron aint cheap...05:24
unixSnobI've had some switches simply die05:24
SenileBobare you getting my PM's?05:24
unixSnobah, sorry didn't notice05:24
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SenileBobIs there any way to store a website link, like a favourite, in the main menu on N800, and force the web browser to start in full screen mode?05:47
SenileBoband also to have the N800 automatically load a webpage in full screen mode when its turned on?05:48
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benhso bluez-utils on maemo doesn't contain any of the utils in /usr/bin ?07:48
benhlike pand is missing...07:48
benhany idea what's up ?07:48
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benhok, found08:06
benhstupid new network services08:06
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pupnikbenh: bluez is deprecated now, yes?08:43
benhwell, not really, the code still comes from bluez08:44
benhbut yeah, they deprecated good ol pand in favor of the new dbus based garbage08:44
benhwell, it may not be garbage per-se but it's a pain in the neck :-)08:46
mibuswhat part of it aren't you happy with? having to use d-bus?08:46
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benhmibus: I like ranting :-)08:54
benhmibus: but yeah, having to use dbus08:54
benhmibus: I find it a pain in the neck, but that's just personal opinion08:54
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benhmibus: nothing as simple as pand --help to figure out what you need to do08:55
tsukasais the svn of the browser faster then whats builtin08:55
tsukasabecause the built in is slower then all fuck08:55
mibusbenh: thanks for the info :)08:55
tsukasai tried to load my netvibes homepage and it died08:55
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NaviThe built in one lacks desperately needed optimizations08:56
NaviEspecially to the JavaScript core08:56
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tsukasaso the svn is faster?08:56
benhI'm totally new to maemo (and in fact to gtk etc... ) so I'm going to ask around the lazy way ... but is there any piece of code you suggest I look at to08:56
Navitsukasa, should be08:56
benhdo a control panel and to scan bluetooth devices ?08:57
benhbefore I waste days digging in docos and .h files08:57
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johnxbenh, I think "personal menu" has a pretty nice control panel09:07
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johnxas for scanning bluetooth, I don't know any open source software that does that with dbus stuff09:08
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mibusI don't know if it uses bluetooth, but in GNOME there's a bluetooth applet that can browse for devices09:09
mibusI'm fairly certain that there's a reusable drop-down gtk selector widget somewhere that allows choosing of bluetooth devices, again not sure if it's dbusified09:09
mibus(I'm picking up my n810 next week, so no maemo, but I've done gtk+ stuff in the past)09:10
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benhjohnx: ok, I'll dig, thanks09:19
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benhmibus: ok, I'll google around and look09:20
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johnxpersonal menu is here:
benhjohnx: yeah, I found it, but thanks09:20
johnxah, ok09:21
benhnow we'll see if I manage to find enough time to actually do anything... might take the laptop on the plane09:22
benhnext week09:22
benhthough I don't think I'm going to do BT scanning in flight :-)09:22
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johnxahaha, I remember messing with bt at work during lunch and accidentally bringing up "connection attempt, enter passkey" on 3 computers and a couple phones :D09:23
mibusI really wonder about the range of bluetooth, given I can often see phones that aren't mine, when I'm in my loungeroom09:23
mibus(and it's a full house, not a flat or unit, no shared walls, ...)09:24
benhyeah, I can see phones from another level of the building here09:24
johnxit's especially crazy on trains09:24
benhthe n810 BT antenna is good ... unlike the GPS one09:24
benhat first I though the GPS was busted ...09:24
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benhI pretty much have to acquire the sattelites outside of the car in fact09:25
benhthen I can go in and it works once it's locked09:25
benhmibus: thanks09:25
mibusbenh: my pleasure09:25
mibusbenh: I knew reading planet gnome every day for several years would pay off eventually ;)09:26
mibusbenh: how does the n810 deal with maps these days? do you have to buy them, or are the openstreemaps maps OK?09:26
mibusbenh: and does it do route calculations with them?09:27
benhit came with a commercial map for .au09:27
benhbut for navigation, you have to pay for wayfinder09:27
benhabout $150AUD for 3 years iirc for australia09:27
benh(you pay per region)09:27
mibusbenh: cool (I'm in SA)09:27
benhI'm in ACT09:27
benhI haven't toyed with the open stuff yet09:27
mibusbenh: you must be the only person there with an n810! :)09:27
mibusbenh: there seem to be so few places that have them here09:28
benhheh, found it at dick smith in sydney09:28
benhthey are trickling in it seems09:28
benhI didn't expect to find one in fact, that was a surprise. A bit on the pricey side of things tho .. about $65009:28
benhnow, I need to find a good BT keyboard bcs the internal one sucks :-)09:29
benhI should read planet gnome ... funnily enough, I've never done anything with GUI on linux09:29
mibusbenh: I ordered through Tandy, paying & picking upnext weekend09:29
benhI have little clues about either GTK or QT, though i've done my share of GUI stuff on MacOS (classic) in the old days09:29
mibusbenh: I'm paying $700 including a longer warranty09:30
benhand all GUI toolkits generally share the same basic principles09:30
mibusbenh: I have an apple BT keyb that I'm hoping to use (collecting dust ATM)09:30
benhso It's a good excuse for me to start to look at GTK :-)09:30
mibusI really like Gtk+, but I've not had a huge amount of experience09:30
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benhwell, Apple BT is not quite the deal to travel with, I'm hoping something in between09:30
mibus(no QT, but I've done Gtk+/Cocoa/Swing)09:30
mibusyeah it's a giant keyboard09:31
benhwhen I'm home, I'll look into using synergy from the desktop :-)09:31
mibusyeah I want to use it for writing notes in meetings09:31
mibusanyway, got to run off for a sec :)09:31
benhI've only looked at Cocoa quickly, back when I had Rhaspody DR1 :-)09:31
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mibusbenh: I really liked Cocoa. Never used it for any "real" apps, but the interface builder was really easy to use09:45
mibusbenh: and I liked ObjC too, once I got used to the syntax09:45
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benhObjC is interesting, though yeah, the syntax is somewhat alien09:46
mibusbenh: Swing was just a nightmare. The only way it ended up usable for me, was use layout widgets to act like hbox & vboxes do in Gtk09:46
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mibusbenh: I'm just dying to get my hands on my n810, after waiting all this time09:48
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mibusbenh: I used to do Gtk+ stuff on PDAs back maybe 2001-200309:48
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SenileBobbenh, mibus: Another aussie here. Any of you guys developers for Maemo?10:08
mibusSenileBob: Alas, no10:08
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mibusSenileBob: I'm still waiting for my n810, but I intend to at least get back into app development for it10:08
SenileBobim developing a home automation app for it, well - want to. I'm not a linux guy, .net developer, so need someone to do some work for me10:09
benhSenileBob: nah10:09
SenileBobbut worst case, i have a web app working for what i want, so i can just run the web app fullscreen on the N80010:10
benhSenileBob: I do linux powerpc kernel stuffs :-) just got myself a n810 and toying with it10:10
mibusSenileBob: web apps are so useful sometimes (I'm a PHP dev right now)10:10
SenileBobit uses flash to communicate with the automation processor, flash XMLSockets are a godsend for my line of work10:11
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mibusbenh: wait, you're *that* benh?10:11
trickie_hey aussies10:11
SenileBobhey trickie10:11
* trickie_ is one also... but stuck on the other side of the world10:11
mibushi trickie_10:11
SenileBobtrickie: you a maemo dev?10:12
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benhmibus: is there another one ? :-)10:12
trickie_SenileBob: no, but i have been hacking on my n800 for a while10:12
mibusbenh: well, I don't go around assuming stuff ;). Didn't realise you were an aussie10:12
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benhmibus: I'm not :-)10:12
benhmibus: I'm french but I live in australia10:12
mibusbenh: ah, got it10:13
benhmibus: most of the linux powerpc stuff happens here in Canberra :-)10:13
mibusbenh: my last laptop was a G3/800, so I used a lot of your work I figure - thanks :)10:13
mibusbenh: is there still much going on, now apple has shifted over?10:13
benhI'm quite busy yes :-)10:13
benhless visible stuff ... IBM power machines support, cell stuffs, etc...10:13
SenileBobive posted a question on internettablettalk about communicating with a N800 via SSH/SFTP - anyone got any experience with that stuff?
trickie_benh: this is offtopic but do you know a Philippe Loève (he lives in paris)?10:14
benhlots of embedded bits too10:14
benhtrickie: how old ?10:14
benhtrickie: he's probably a cousin of mine10:14
trickie_benh: 40 -45 ish10:14
trickie_yes i think so10:14
benhtrickie: my mom is a Loeve :-)10:14
trickie_so am i apparently :)10:14
trickie_i am a loeve10:14
benhI don't know the loeve part of the familiy that well :-010:14
trickie_he he10:15
benhso you're a descendant of max ?10:15
benhprivmsg :-)10:15
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aquatixold family unite :)10:42
aquatixSenileBob: i would say that it worked similar to that iPhone situation10:43
aquatixjust remote commands over ssh10:43
trickie_aquatix: yep ha ha10:43
aquatixbtw, use scp instead of sftp, eliminates another service ;)10:44
aquatixscp works over ssh and is neat10:44
KotCzarnyuse sshfs10:44
aquatixthat's fuse10:44
aquatixis that available on n8x0?10:44
aquatixoh wait10:44
aquatixit only has to be available on his pc10:45
KotCzarnybut is available on n8x0 too10:45
aquatixexcept... that he wants to do it from a app10:45
KotCzarnyvb.. urrgrhgrhghh10:45
* aquatix would stick with scp ;)10:45
aquatixKotCzarny: yeah10:45
aquatix*whyyy* :P10:46
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Italodancewhat is dimdim?11:38
Italodancei got it11:39
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:53
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jldiazanyone uses BitchX for irc?12:08
eichijldiaz, dont use ugly words like bitch please ;)12:09
jldiazok, so, anyone uses Bit*X for irc? :-)12:09
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eichijldiaz, ;)12:15
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jeddy3uhm, how do you enter a channel on irc with built-in-messenger and rtcomm? :)12:24
solmumahajeddy3: not sure you do :) but if you can find it, do tell12:25
jeddy3solmumaha, ;)12:25
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hrwjeddy3: simple it is13:09
hrwjeddy3: add irc account and then use 'internet chat' application to enter chat room13:09
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jeddy3hrw: ah, yes, found it x_X13:13
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solmumahahrw: thanks13:27
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floriangood morning13:47
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lcukmorning florian :)14:12
florianhi lcuk14:13
lcukare you all set for ltag14:13
X-Fade_Hi all14:13
lcukhi x14:13
hrwnot yet lcuk14:13
lcukare you goin as well hrw14:14
hrwlcuk: plan to but it is not decided yet14:15
lcukahh, well i have flights arranged which involve waking at some ungodly time14:15
lcukthe milkman wont have brought my milk!14:16
hrwlcuk: Berlin is few hours by car14:16
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lcukit was 23 hours last time i travelled by car to germany - and that was just over the border14:17
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* lcuk grabs dinner14:21
Blafasel5 hours to berlin from here14:22
shaprMany hours from Boston to Berlin.14:22
benhabout 25 to 30 hours or so from here :-)14:22
benhinvolving 2 to 3 flights :-)14:22
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Blafasel5 hours chilling or 3.5 during the night and with full speed ;)14:23
benhhrm... I could do faster than 25 hours I suppose if I hijacked a concorde :-)14:24
benhthough it would have to refuel a couple of times !14:24
BlafaselHmm.. Scratch that. They are adding far too many speed limits these days14:24
Blafaselbenh: Better suggestion: Get yourself a Blackbird from the US ;)14:26
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BlafaselSame problem with fuel, but even faster14:27
benhheh true :-)14:27
lcukhitch a lift on the next shuttle14:27
lcukhop out where required14:27
benhand blow up half way through ? no thanks !14:27
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* lcuk thinks its an acceptable risk14:28
benhI'd rather hitch a lift on a russian rocket with a soyouz :-)14:28
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benhthose things seem to be good at keeping monkeys alive :-)14:28
lcukfrom what i heard the occupants almost ended up like pizza last time14:29
benhbut then, I don't have the kind of $ to do that or create a linux distro :-)14:29
benhlcuk: it's all in the "almost" :-)14:29
lcukbut this isnt the first time, arent they now reconsidering them and putting them through lots of tests to confirm just whats going wrong - its seemingly a common fault14:30
benhheh possibly, but stats are still in favor of the russian sack of bolts14:31
johnxplus, with even more tests it will be even safer. The safest time to fly (in space or on an airline) is probably right after a crash14:32
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lcuki dunno, there is still something elegent about the shuttle.  for all its creaky old failings it is still more impressive as a rocket14:32
benhyeah, it looks good on TV :-)14:32
johnxah, the elegance of the space bus14:32
benhSW engineers know the danger inherent in complexity :-)14:33
lcukim just reading a niven book where a group of adventurers have been using old space junk to make their own space colony :)14:33
benhlcuk: which one ? I wonder if I read that one14:33
johnxThe Suyouz is the epitomy of the "Unix way": Do one thing, do it well, be robust against catestrophic failure14:33
benhjohnx: so true :-)14:34
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johnxThe shuttle has feature creep :)14:34
lcukdescent of anansi
benhjohnx: it can only end in tears :-)14:34
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benhlcuk: thx14:35
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lcuki dunno if its any good - i only started it a couple of days ago14:36
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benhlcuk: don't worry, I've read enough bad sci-fi to have a pretty low threshold :-)14:36
benhlcuk: better than getting drunk on a plane :-)14:37
BlafaselAnd cheaper!14:37
benhBlafasel: nah, on intl, booze is usually free :-)14:37
BlafaselYou see, I have to fly more often..14:37
lcukjust for the booze?   buy a bottle and sit in a box and pretent14:38
lcukyou might still crash, but somehow escaping out of your lounge by inflatable slide is still safer than a plane14:38
benhqantas first class lounge in sydney rocks :-)14:39
BlafaselYeah, good point. For the price of an international flight I _might_ be able to drink enough to feel like flying anyway.14:39
benhfull high end restaurant free :-)14:39
benhbut then, you have to fly first class ... which isn't in my budget14:39
benhor get lucky and be invited in by somebody who does :-)14:40
lcukand an added bonus, in your lounge you get to play with the controls and pretend to be the pilot!14:40
johnxeven if I had the money to blow on first class I'd still take one look at the ticket price and say "Nah, I'd rather buy a brand new laptop..."14:40
benhhehe, point !14:41
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johnxI prefer driving when I can. (darn gas prices!)14:41
benhjohnx: driving from australia won't take you anywhere tho :-)14:41
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BlafaselGas is free for me, gladly. I therefor even prefer driving to flights ;)14:42
johnxyeah, like I said "When I can."14:42
johnxBlafasel, how did you manage that?14:42
johnxSO works for Exxon/Shell?14:43
BlafaselMy boss pays (which means "free for me"). ;-p14:43
johnxah, as long as you go where he wants :P14:43
johnxstill, it's a good deal.14:44
BlafaselNope, for every single mile. And I had to drive for the company twice so far. In the last 18 month..14:44
johnxok, what's the catch?14:44
BlafaselMiles/kilometer are limited. Leasing contract allows 30.000km/year. Which limits the fuel of course ;)14:45
lcukthats not a catch, thats a perk :)14:45
johnx30,000km/year isn't bad14:45
* lcuk goes to his mums14:45
lcukback later14:45
johnxeven when I drove the most it was still only about that much14:45
johnxhave fun, lcuk14:46
Blafasellcuk: "Perk": Actually you have to pay taxes for stuff like that, yes.14:46
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andre___where is the maemo Internet search (mis) applet code located to check out?14:51
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X-Fade_andre___: Isn't it part of the hildon desktop?14:54
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andre___hmm, should take a closer look. thanks14:56
hrwdiablo reappeared on maemo devels..14:57
X-Fade_hrw: Yeah, that is my post ;)14:57
hrwI wonder will it be so fucked like chinook is or more14:57
X-Fade_I want developer's input on that.14:58
hrwI want *docs*14:58
X-Fade_hrw: Ask dave ;)14:58
hrwand ability to edit system more then crapook allows14:58
hrwX-Fade_: I will not be suprised if diablo will get 80% of nokia apps closed this time14:59
hrw'we closed it just because we can etc'15:00
hrws/ etc'/' etc15:00
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X-Fade_hrw: I don't think Nokia will do that. The slowly start to learn.15:01
X-Fade_They certainly won't go to 'more closed'.15:01
hrwin maemo 'less closed' does not mean 'less fscked up'15:02
hrwi18n is fscked deeply15:02
hrw'we care about few countries - rest have to fuck up'15:02
hrwsorry for language but I have this feeling each time when I think about maemo and i18n15:03
solmumahahrw: bad day?15:03
hrwsolmumaha: not at all15:03
* RST38h shares i18n philosophy15:04
hrwsolmumaha: to buy n810 I had to order it in other part of europe. to have proper name names I had to build locale pack. to have national chars on keyboard I had to learn how to make x11 keymaps. then had to find out how to get my keymap working -- had to use 3rd party app just to be able to set own keymap and it is not seen in few places anyway15:07
pyhimysHas anyone got a good idea how to disable dictionary when eg. entering password on terminal to ssh?15:07
hrwsolmumaha: and nOKIA has official stores here in Poland15:08
RST38hhrw: Just learn English already15:08
hrwRST38h: who told that I do not know it?15:08
hrwRST38h: but English lack ±æê³ñó궼¿ chars still15:09
RST38hhrw: hey, English lacks pretty much *all* the cyrillic chars15:09
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hrwnot to mention that officially there is no way to enter | {} and few more chars15:09
RST38hDo you see me complaining though? :)15:09
hrwRST38h: but n810 has russian keymap15:09
RST38hYes, and there is even a physical russian keyboard, but I could not buy it here either - had to order from US15:10
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RST38hWho gives a damn though, as long as it can display cyrillic UTF-8...15:10
hrwRST38h: at least less problem less - keymaps15:10
RST38hhrw: I get to use it at most once a week or so15:12
RST38hMost stuff is in English anyway15:12
hrwI also would like to run !maemo on n810 without having to use binaries to have working device (I can accept binary kernel module for wifi).15:13
RST38hhrw: What do you mean?15:13
hrwRST38h: bt, wpa, battery15:14
johnxhe's probably referring to the proprietary parts of maemo, the battery charging stuff, the dsme power saving stuff, the sound situation, etc15:14
keesjhrw: did you follow the last disc on maemo-dev ?15:14
hrwknown also as 'curse of maemo'15:14
RST38hWell, no way to avoid that, with all the NDAs15:14
hrwkeesj: have to read whole - just looked at few15:14
RST38hEven OMAP2 has not publicly available datasheets15:14
keesjI have the feeling that we stand a chance15:15
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hrwkeesj: if someone will manage to get all small projects more united15:15
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keesjthe wifi talk is going to right way15:15
hrwumac.ko can be adapted to other kernels with some tricks15:16
keesjidem there seams to be enough animo for this15:16
hrwsharp zaurus had better OS support then nokia tablets...15:17
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keesjhrw: you never look on the bright side. try it sometimes it is fun15:18
hrwkeesj: I have covered window to not get sun on screen ;)15:18
keesjI am in the sun and wear 3d cyber sun glasses, with x-ray vision15:20
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hrw~curse gtk for gdouble15:22
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gtk for gdouble !15:22
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hrwgtk_vscale_new_with_range() takes 3s15:24
hrw~hail serial jigs15:27
* infobot bows down to serial jigs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"15:27
hrwtoo bad that I lack one for nokias15:27
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RST38hYou don't stand a chance against TI15:32
RST38hIf Nokia tells TI to open up programming interfaces or fuck off, it stands some chance, but Nokia is not going to do it15:33
johnxApparently from the thread on maemo-dev, Nokia *did* ask for more open info for the 77015:33
glassit's only a problem for nokia with IT15:33
glasson phone side, they might view it as an advantage15:34
glassfor now15:34
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johnxcute pic. :) how's the emulation speed?15:34
ralannperty decent15:35
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MangoFusionralann: basilisk?15:35
ralannunfortunatly i cant run marathon because of it wanting to see 256 colors :/15:35
MangoFusionpersonally i prefer a real mac. but cool nonetheless ;)15:36
MangoFusionwould be neat if there was an acorn emulator15:36
ralanni have several of those15:36
ralannreal macs that is15:36
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hrwI used macos only on emuls15:37
hrwbut shapeshifter was fast15:38
RST38hglass: There is no advantage in this15:38
RST38hThe only company that may see it as advantage is TI but I guess that even for them it is more like a coverup for their own bugs15:39
MangoFusionralann: so how usable is mac os on an IT?15:39
ralannit is more usable than on an old mac imo15:40
johnxprobably more like dealing with their own NDAs and as someone from Nokia said, they'd also worry about people monkeying around with battery charging and blowing up their phones/tablets15:40
johnxTI probably took one look at the immediate cost/benefit ratio and said "no thanks"15:41
ralannonly problem can be double clicking15:41
johnxthey seem to be making noises about being more open with the omap3 but only time will tell...15:41
keesjjohnx: I have seen pretty nice emails on the omap kernel mailing list15:42
johnxthanks, I'll do some reading :)15:42
ralannya just have to fix that in control panel15:42
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johnxkeesj, ok, what I'm reading looks great so far. :D15:46
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BlafaselWhat's great? Future related (OMAP3)? Or interesting for the current devices as well?15:51
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johnxfuture related. TI actually making their dspbridge code available15:52
johnxalso it looks like they have an open source bootloader available too15:52
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kulvewhat bootloader?15:53
kulveI think that has been available for very long time. But Nokia just doesn't use it15:53
johnxah, well nevermind then15:53
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johnxhmm...and x-load15:53
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RST38hjohnx: The "blow your battery" argument is fake.15:58
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johnxall it matters is that the legal dept. thinks it's real :/15:59
RST38hYou have to get *really* deep into hardware and be very specific about your actions15:59
jaskathatd make a nice cellphone worm16:00
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RST38hwill probably just end up with an exception in Symbian16:01
johnxRST38h, definitely, but when the PHB does his "return on investment" analysis on opening the code, things like that pop into his/her mind...16:01
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RST38hjohnx: There is no investment in opening programming interfaces and there is no deifnite return too16:01
RST38hSo, normally, this should be a minor engineering task + a cursory review from the legal dep16:02
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RST38hGuys who should be responsible for this are Developer Relations Dep16:02
RST38hAt least this is how it works in Intel16:02
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johnxbut intel is selling hardware, and they *rely* on people writing software to run on their hardware16:03
johnxI think there is a difference in perspective and attitude in terms of Intel vs Nokia16:03
RST38hTI is also selling hardware16:03
johnxright, and they're starting to open up16:04
RST38hAnd OMAP specs belong to TI not Nokia. Nokia is pretty much like Apple or IBM16:04
johnxthey're slowly coming around16:04
RST38hIt is ridiculous that things like VR instruction set are closed16:05
johnxthat doesn't bother me nearly as much as ridiculous simple things like the browser UI being closed16:05
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hrwjohnx: or hildon components16:10
johnxhrw, agreed.16:11
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hrwhm. linux-omap git moved to same modem as use ;(16:11
johnxsomeone should tell the new intern to stop playing tetris on the n800 that's hosting :P16:12
johnx(though seems ok here)16:12
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solmumahajohnx: i heard it's 770 with 2008he16:13
trickie_a mirror16:13
trickie_not always directly up to date16:13
hrwtrickie_: thhx16:13
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hrwn810 is charging now16:17
hrwwill try linux-omap head later16:17
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trickie_you will need to at least change the machine id16:20
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trickie_i have to booting into mamona on mmc116:22
trickie_but my usbnet is stuffed, and it all breaks after that :)16:22
hrwtrickie_: already fetched that patchset16:23
johnxtrickie_, that's some great info. thanks!16:23
trickie_np, wasn't me :)16:23
johnxah, was it someone here on #maemo?16:23
trickie_tony is the linux-omap maintainer16:24
trickie_i think16:24
johnxah, interesting16:27
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hrw~curse gtk_vscale_new_with_range()16:34
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gtk_vscale_new_with_range() !16:34
hrwwhy it takes 3s to create slider..16:35
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RST38hhrw: must be doing it via DBus ;)16:45
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lcuki am working on a way to allow user to switch between ondemand and performance in cpufreq.  i am considering adding the required commands to the sudoers file as part of installation.  would i be best adding a small shell script to the sudoers, or just the 2 echo lines required?17:36
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lcukversion 1:   user ALL = NOPASSWD: /path/to/changecpu.sh17:37
qwerty12Maybe the shell script? Because then, if you need to make any changes to the echo line, it would be easier editing the script.17:37
lcukversion 2:   user ALL = NOPASSWD: echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor17:37
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lcukbut the same can be said for if anyone ELSE changes the script17:37
qwerty12True. I guess they both work the same, listen to what your heart tells you :p17:38
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lcukif i mark a whole userspace script as allowed doesnt that mean it can be replaced and run for the wrong purpose17:38
trickie_id go version 217:38
trickie_lcuk: yep17:38
lcukright, ill put the specific 2 lines i require then - its much cleaner :)17:39
qwerty12Good points. I change my mind to v2 :p17:39
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lcuki could technically put my whole program in there and just run that, but for similar reasons i dont want to do that17:39
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lcukas a third option, if i just added the cpufreq itself: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor     could i then write it as i need17:42
lcukthat way i wouldnt even need a script nor the echo17:43
NaviPlugin support in webkitgtk17:43
NaviNow everyone can watch their youtubes :P17:44
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monkeywraithanybody around?17:49
* johnx isn't around17:50
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johnxwhat's the question?17:51
monkeywraithi can get gjiten (japanese dictionary) working on os2007 or gcjk (chinese / japanese / korean input support) working on os2008, but not both together :(17:51
monkeywraithany ideas?17:51
johnxhave you checked itt for anyone else who tried to get gjiten working on os2008?17:52
johnxalso, have you looked at the dictionaries available for sdictviewer?17:52
monkeywraithin os2007 i can install the input support, but can not get the im switch to show up, in os2008 it claims the os2008 version of gjiten is not a compatible install file17:53
qwerty12gjiten can be installed on os2008, just takes a while. johnx is right, check itt for the solution.17:53
monkeywraithi am not familiar with itt or sdictviewer17:53
monkeywraithwhere is itt?17:53
monkeywraithoh, thank you :)17:54
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johnxinfobot, itt is the forums on ( )17:54
infobotjohnx: okay17:54
monkeywraithahhh, thank you both very much, looks like that should do it17:55
johnxlots of good stuff on itt, but the search there isn't so great17:55
lcukvia ssh how do i run a program as the regular user - ie not root17:55
johnxssh user@my-tablet17:56
lcukis the username user17:56
johnxyes :)17:56
lcukahhh right :) thx17:56
johnxthe command of the day is: whoami17:56
hrwdoes someone use 2.6.25-omap1 on n800/n810 or at least have it ready to boot?17:56
johnxAstorm was trying it a couple days ago I think17:57
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trickie_hrw: yep im running it on my n80017:57
lcuki am SPARTA!17:57
trickie_hrw: well master not the tag17:57
hrwtrickie_: cool17:57
trickie_hrw: some good fixes went in after the tag17:58
hrwtrickie_: I will give you kernel module - will you report me back results?17:58
trickie_hrw: im at work ATM, and i stuffed my usbnet so i don't have a console17:58
trickie_but when ifx it then yeah for sure!17:58
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infobottrickie_ meant: but when fix it then yeah for sure!17:58
hrwtrickie_: you probably notice familiar names there ;D17:59
trickie_he he17:59
qwerty12ooh wifi17:59
qwerty12I think17:59
hrwno warranty that it will work of course18:00
johnxvery interesting :)18:00
trickie_hrw: ill let you know if get success!18:00
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monkeywraithi have to say, after 10+ flashes in the last few hours, i love how quick and easy it is to flash this thing XD18:01
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johnxNavi, playing with webkitgtk?18:04
johnxworking well for you?18:05
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NaviI try it every so often to see how it's progressing18:05
Navion the desktop, it's nice and fast18:05
Naviplugin support is a recent thing18:06
NaviAt start up, midori uses 61MB or so18:07
Naviwith google loaded18:07
johnxit seems to actually use less on my zaurus...18:08
NaviCompared to the latest firefox beta, which uses double that18:08
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RST38hMobile firefox uses 120MB at startup?18:08
RST38hHow come?18:08
NaviI'm not talkings about mobile :/18:08
RST38hEven the desktop version (2.x) starts at something like 30MB18:08
NaviMobile firefox has a lot of the fat trimmed away18:08
NaviI haven't tried it to make fun of it yet, though.18:09
hrwmonkeywraith: quick and easy?18:09
hrwmonkeywraith: try to get Vernier LabQuest into your hands18:09
hrwmonkeywraith: you put sd card or usb stick with firmware files, reboot with one key pressed and it is upgrading18:09
hrwmonkeywraith: no other machines needed during flashing18:10
Navijohnx, still no cookies, though.18:10
NaviThat's on the top of my list for things that I want18:10
Naviflash support was pretty low18:10
johnxhave you tried the newer epiphany-webkit?18:10
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NaviI was meaning to, but never got around to it18:11
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NaviThough, midori supports user stylesheets now18:11
NaviThat was pretty high on my "wants" list18:11
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johnxI tried to use it as a main browser on my desktop for a while, but some things like "open in a new tab" aren't quite working18:12
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Navimidori is more complete with webkitgtk than midori, it sounds :P18:13
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NaviThe devs work pretty hard to support features from webkitgtk as soon as they pop out18:13
Navisince webkitgtk itself is lacking18:13
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johnxthe epiphany guys are focusing on webkitgtk going forward18:13
johnxso things should improve rapidly18:14
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Navi Oh!18:26
NaviI remember exactly why I don't use webkit full time18:26
NaviNo support to download files >_>18:27
johnxis that really a webkit feature? I thought for sure that would be a browser feature...18:27
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Navijohnx, it's a bit of both18:42
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Naviwebkitgtk just needs a file handler18:42
Naviwhich it lacks18:43
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johnxAre you sure cookies aren't working?18:49
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johnxnevermind, I guess not :/18:52
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NaviIt supports temporary sessions19:02
Navibut no cookies19:02
johnxyeah, just found that out19:02
johnx<whine>there's so much nice hardware that comes with winmo attached :/ </whine>19:03
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johnxjeez, nevermind. I was looking at some pics of the htc advantage but it's $135019:07
glassit's a nice piece of hw imho19:08
glassbut with winmo..19:08
NaviWay to expensive for a phone19:08
infobotNavi meant: Way too expensive for a phone19:08
glassway too nonphone to use as phone19:08
johnxoh yeah, it looks nice, but that's the price of an n810 wimax and a thinkpad to go with it19:08
johnxplus, nice hardware != nice experience19:09
johnxas I have learned repeatedly...19:09
glassthe kb attachment was nicely done19:09
NaviReminds me, if you buy your PCs as apposed to building them, buy from psystar19:10
johnxI mean I've heard of psystar, but why bother?19:11
NaviNo windows license forced on you :P19:11
NaviMeh you!19:11
johnxthere's like a million other companies that offer that19:11
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johnxdell being one of them19:11
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NaviDell is meh19:12
NaviLol ^_^19:12
glasshow are psystar different than ordering just all parts and assembly from any of the million shops that do that sort of thing?19:12
glasspractically every parts store offers assembly too19:12
johnxdell even sells laptops with parts selected to work nice with linux with ubuntu all setup and waiting for you19:12
Navijohnx, yeah, I know.19:12
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johnxso, why push psystar?19:12
Navi'cuz they're funny :P19:13
johnxaaah, I see19:13
NaviGet OS X preinstalled19:13
johnxwoo! it's all the things that annoy me in OSX without the software updates working right!19:13
johnxwhat a deal!19:13
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NaviIt is indeed19:14
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johnxI build my desktops anyways, so it's all a moot point19:14
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johnxand when I eventually get a new laptop it will probably end up being a macbook running osx or a thinkpad running debian or ubuntu19:15
* Navi has only owned one laptop in his life19:15
johnxI've technically owned two19:15
NaviCompaq Contura 420c19:15
johnxboth were given to me19:16
johnxboth were DOA19:16
johnxone I managed to resurrect and use19:16
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elbI've owned numerous -- and of them all, the iBook was the best, hands down19:16
johnxI got to use a macbook for work at my last job and I really liked that machine19:16
NaviI loved the 350MB HDD in my Contura19:17
Naviand the 8MB of ram was great for running slackware at the time19:17
NaviPlus, it had an optical trackball19:17
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glassi liked the laptops with trackballs on right bottom side of screen19:18
NaviI need a real laptop, but the N800 really killed my motivation in getting one19:18
johnxI have one of thse sitting on my floor:
Naviweird hinge19:19
johnxNavi, agreed. Between my zaurus and N800 w/ usb keyboard and a general lack of $1000 burning a hole in my pocket, I don't see getting a new laptop soon19:19
NaviContura was 2500 back in '95 >_>19:20
johnxyeah, stupid hinge with a huge screen19:20
johnxguess what's broken on it?19:20
johnxnah, screen works19:20
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johnxhinge is busted19:20
johnxCPU overheats19:20
NaviSame on my contura19:20
Navinot the overheating part, the broken hinge part19:20
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glasshinges are busted on my acer too19:20
johnxit gets <30min on its *9* cell battery19:21
glassthat i'm writing from now19:21
glasssome glue and it stays together well enough19:21
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Navistupid laptop hinges19:21
Navineed to make 'em out of something other than cheap plastic19:21
glassit's actually the plastic on the screen that the hinge attaches on these acers19:21
johnxah, I mean the actual metal hinge part19:21
glassthe metal parts are as good as new19:21
johnxboth of the actual internal metal hinges on mine broke19:22
glassbut the plastic on the back of the screen is too thin19:22
johnxthe screen is two heavy and the hinge holds it at a weird angle which increases the amount of force it has to put up with19:22
johnxalso: 8 (*&$%$ing pounds!19:22
johnxseriously! I don't even think that includes the battery19:23
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NaviThat's heavier than the giant that is this contura...19:24
Navi6lb :/19:24
johnxI haven't even powered the thing on in weeks19:25
NaviWhat a waste19:25
NaviYou should give it to me.19:25
johnxok, come by and pick it up in exchange for an n800 stylus19:25
NaviI really need to visit my uncle19:26
NaviMake a mold and start selling N800 stylus replacements19:26
johnxif it wasn't for the overheating->thermal throttling I might use it sometimes19:26
johnxbut that when combined with everything else makes it pretty useless as a portable machine *or* a compile farm *or* a server19:27
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johnxI'm open to ideas. :) What do you think? boat anchor? door stop?19:28
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BlafaselGive it as a present to the Nokia guys.19:31
johnxa new server to host
Blafasel"See, I thought you like useless" ;)19:31
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lcukpupnik, whats not linuxtag-news21:02
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johnxI think he was giving a command to the channel :)21:06
johnxor rather an apparently non-existant bot21:07
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pupnik810who dere?22:11
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* konttori here22:41
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* RST38h upgraded osso-xterm23:33
hrwjust posted 2 mails to 'lwn' thread on maemo-devs23:33
RST38htoo bad that the version with the sidebar was too buggy =(23:33
hrwI wonder what will reply be23:33
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RST38hpupnik: do you by any chance know if wesnoth installs into / or does it make use of mmc?23:35
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hrwno one built debfoster/deborphan for maemo?23:40
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hrwhmm.. looking at 'quality' of maemo packages it is probably good to not use such apps23:47
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