| lcuk | ive been having trouble locally finding *any* mini cards | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| NullM0dem | what are the better 8 gb cards? | 00:00 |
| Grackle | The micro to mini converter only extends the back end of the card to make it physically longer, actually | 00:00 |
| lcuk | the ones with a high class rating | 00:00 |
| Blafasel | Damn.. Battlestar Galactica is really great. | 00:00 |
| Grackle | whee Blafasel, yes it is | 00:00 |
| lcuk | shhhhhhh Blafasel i havent seen this last extended bit | 00:00 |
| *** NullM0dem has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Hm? I'm watching the second season right now. Probably nothing new for you ;) | 00:02 |
| lcuk | well thats ok then | 00:02 |
| Blafasel | The third isn't even available here, yet. I've to admit that I watch the dubbed/localized version so far. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | did you know the cylons are ..... | 00:03 |
| lcuk | ... robots | 00:03 |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 00:03 | |
| Blafasel | Maybe I'll switch to english afterwards. | 00:03 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: No shit! ;) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | well they do, but its castrol gtx | 00:03 |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 00:07 | |
| *** gnuSnob has quit IRC | 00:08 | |
| *** matt_c_ is now known as matt_c | 00:08 | |
| lcuk | if i tried using sudo when im already logged in as root it gives a strange message | 00:09 |
| lcuk | "root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | 00:09 |
| Grackle | haha | 00:09 |
| lcuk | who will it be reported to? | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | linux police | 00:10 |
| lcuk | oh crap! | 00:10 |
| Grackle | Deb & Ian are going to come and smack you | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sentenced to lifetime of windows 95 :p | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tux will beat u up 1st | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | with a handbook from win 2.x | 00:11 |
| lcuk | win95 aint that bad :) runs efficiently on lots of hardware, has great compatability - i thought it was meant to be a punishment | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | great compatibility? | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | usb excluded | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | yer i can run msdos programs | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | aint bad? | 00:11 |
| Blafasel | Yeeha! | 00:11 |
| lcuk | or win 3.1 ones | 00:11 |
| lcuk | or win95 ones | 00:11 |
| derf | It is extremely compatible with itself. | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | any good win3.1 or dos programs? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | GTA original | 00:12 |
| *** GNUton has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| KotCzarny | never heard of | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gta 1 works in xp | 00:12 |
| *** GNUton has joined #maemo | 00:12 | |
| Blafasel | ;) I'm curious about GTA IV | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I have wild metal country on cd somewhere | 00:13 |
| lcuk | not very well - if i remember rightly, it has to be put in compatability mode for : win 95 | 00:13 |
| lcuk | half life original will run nicely on '95 | 00:13 |
| *** atlas95 has joined #maemo | 00:13 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | 95 v ME? hmm... | 00:13 |
| lcuk | no-one here will convince me that w95 is bad :) | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | o.0 | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it even ran on 8mb machines | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:14 |
| lcuk | 386 required i believe | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:14 |
| GNUton | re | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | that i'm not sure | 00:14 |
| lcuk | you oculdnt do it on 286 because of some hardare memory instruction i think | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | System requirements for installing Windows 95: | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | Personal computer with a 386DX or higher processor (486 recommended) | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | 4 megabytes (MB) of memory (8 MB recommended) | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | whooo hoo | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't mind w98 se, I have quite a few mods for it in cd | 00:15 |
| jott | http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm winxp runs on 8mhz with 20mb ram ;) | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | more like 'crawls | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:16 |
| *** Ikkakujyu has quit IRC | 00:17 | |
| lcuk | jott i was sure i read something about even less, and it taking something like 18 hours to fully boot | 00:17 |
| *** Blacksitoxic has joined #maemo | 00:17 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | meh, I'd sooner run linux if I had machine like that | 00:17 |
| lcuk | it might have been this report here | 00:18 |
| * lcuk thinks it looks familiar | 00:18 | |
| lcuk | you would be best running the OS you got with the machine of that speed | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i think it would be just as difficult to get linux running smoothly on something that restricted | 00:19 |
| *** giskard has quit IRC | 00:20 | |
| jott | lcuk: wrong. linux with full desktop maybe. | 00:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mplayer with vidix etc is nice, I could live using console. | 00:20 |
| lcuk | yer - ive seen console linux distros setup on floppies, but ive not seen full gui in floppy disk sized space (ie amiga workbench beating) | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | looking at amiga gui, i'd prefer console... :p | 00:22 |
| lcuk | amiga had both :) i, for one, prefered an interactive gui | 00:22 |
| *** X-Fade_ has quit IRC | 00:23 | |
| *** evaryont_ has joined #maemo | 00:24 | |
| KotCzarny | heh, xp on 8mhz cpu | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | pervs | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | The boottime of this system is extremly long, 30 minutes! After 13 minutes you can see the first icons, but there are 17 minutes more, where you can do nothing, before you can start "working". | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I get called perv lol | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | \http://winhistory.de/more/386/drhardware.gif | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | hehehe | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I rate that winhistory page because it has computer porn. | 00:29 |
| *** gfc has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| *** evaryont_ has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| *** evaryont has joined #maemo | 00:33 | |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| *** zpol has quit IRC | 00:35 | |
| *** f_mohr has joined #maemo | 00:36 | |
| *** f_mohr has left #maemo | 00:36 | |
| *** red-zack has quit IRC | 00:37 | |
| evaryont | are there any applications that would let me write (literally) a bunch of text then let the OCR software parse my handwriting? | 00:38 |
| Blafasel | Working for an OCR company I somehow still think that this is a baaaad idea ;) | 00:38 |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 00:38 | |
| lcuk | you can enable handwriting recognition directly | 00:38 |
| term-sig | yes, Abby ;> | 00:38 |
| Cptnodegard | handwriting rec is so buggy you might as well try smoke signals | 00:39 |
| Blafasel | Abby? The engine? | 00:39 |
| *** zer0mdq has joined #maemo | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | its worth at least TRYING it, some people have already trained their computer handwriting to be recognisable | 00:40 |
| elb | I had decent luck with it | 00:40 |
| elb | it wasn't great, but it was OK | 00:41 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. We sell Abby (among others) and it is _very_ expensive. Is there a way to use it for free/personal? | 00:41 |
| *** Ikkakujyu has joined #maemo | 00:42 | |
| evaryont | I've gotten the builtin OCR engine to a 75-85% sucess rate | 00:42 |
| *** _berto_ has joined #maemo | 00:43 | |
| evaryont | 'E' is still a problem, for me. F is just fine :) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | l and t got mixed up for me with no way to work around it | 00:43 |
| evaryont | heh. l and 1 get mixed up for me. I sometimes don't cross my t fully, so it just becomes a space. Nothing much, just bksp & t, correctly | 00:44 |
| lcuk | for me i basically never cross t's - i go back over the document afterwards filling in - and even when i completely disabled all variations of l and tried to train t it told me it was too similar to l | 00:45 |
| *** _freelikegnu is now known as freelikegnu | 00:45 | |
| lcuk | i am willing to write my l completely differently to a t.. i do anyway. | 00:46 |
| evaryont | also, how do I get mmpc installed? It needs libglade2, but I haven't found it anywhere in the repos. I took the red pill already | 00:46 |
| evaryont | no luck yet :/ | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it's in extras-devel | 00:46 |
| lcuk | glade the gui designer? | 00:46 |
| *** sxpert_ has joined #maemo | 00:47 | |
| evaryont | lcuk: yes | 00:47 |
| evaryont | qwerty12_N800: how do I enable? :) | 00:48 |
| lcuk | ive seen khertan with glade - he never released it, but made a mistake and posted a screenshot under one of his other projects | 00:48 |
| lcuk | if you can't find it anywhere might be an idea to try and see how far he went | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Go to www.gronmayer.com/it and do a search with the browser for testing maemo extras and click the install button. | 00:49 |
| *** AStorm has joined #maemo | 00:50 | |
| AStorm | ok | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, He doesn't want the program, just the library from I can tell, personal menu and mmpc use it :) | 00:50 |
| AStorm | I'm now running pure alsa 2/o drawbacks | 00:50 |
| AStorm | it's an mplayer bug | 00:51 |
| AStorm | multimediad has no problem w/o esd | 00:51 |
| AStorm | even uses slightly less cpu | 00:51 |
| AStorm | btw, canola now uses mplayer for default ogg playback | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Check to see if any alsa bugs were fixed in mplayer rc2 (serge's builds use rc1) | 00:52 |
| AStorm | i'm fairly sure either aep dsp | 00:52 |
| *** atlas95 has quit IRC | 00:52 | |
| AStorm | or esd introduce bass change | 00:52 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/libg/libglade2/ | 00:53 |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 00:53 | |
| *** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC | 00:53 | |
| *** dolske has quit IRC | 00:53 | |
| AStorm | or... | 00:54 |
| AStorm | it's due to clipping | 00:54 |
| AStorm | yep, just got it on clean config | 00:54 |
| AStorm | with a loud piece | 00:54 |
| AStorm | if volume (canola or esd) is high, clipping adds bass with these phones | 00:54 |
| AStorm | I lose :P | 00:55 |
| *** evaryont_ has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 00:55 | |
| AStorm | esd probably makes clipping more likely (as it is crud) | 00:55 |
| *** evaryont has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| AStorm | ok, now I need dmix with dsp accel :P | 00:56 |
| AStorm | and dsnoop too | 00:57 |
| evaryont_ | qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot. Question: Are you really chatting on IRC on your n800? :) | 00:57 |
| AStorm | evaryont_: I am on N810 now | 00:57 |
| AStorm | ok, I need real alsa-utils | 00:58 |
| AStorm | for testing | 00:58 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: care to build alsa-utils for me? | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:00 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 01:00 |
| *** dolske has joined #maemo | 01:00 | |
| KotCzarny | sure | 01:00 |
| AStorm | I still need to check what this "aep" dsp task is | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | if it builds without further tweaking | 01:00 |
| AStorm | Audio Enhancement Process or wtf? | 01:00 |
| * shackan votes for wtf | 01:01 | |
| AStorm | who has a dsp decompiler? | 01:01 |
| AStorm | uhm, disassembler | 01:01 |
| shackan | TI, most probably | 01:01 |
| AStorm | damn | 01:01 |
| AStorm | NDAized I guess | 01:01 |
| AStorm | Nokia could answer what the thing is | 01:02 |
| AStorm | it's 100% not related to wifi | 01:02 |
| AStorm | maybe camera? | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | how can i get specific version from debian repo? | 01:04 |
| *** Blacksitoxic is now known as lopz | 01:05 | |
| *** AStorm has quit IRC | 01:05 | |
| *** AStorm has joined #maemo | 01:07 | |
| jott | KotCzarny: apt-get install package=version | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | will it work for sources too? | 01:08 |
| jott | i think so. | 01:08 |
| AStorm | the aep is not related to camera | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture armel does not appear in package's list | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | wtf. | 01:09 |
| jott | you could always do "dget -x http://foo/package.dsc" | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | jott: that's a nice hint, thank you :) | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | right now i've been downloading all three files by hand | 01:11 |
| *** simon_ has quit IRC | 01:13 | |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 01:13 | |
| KotCzarny | astorm: built | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's in usual dir | 01:14 |
| AStorm | ok | 01:15 |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:15 |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 01:16 | |
| AStorm | kulve: uhoh | 01:16 |
| AStorm | I'm getting massive clipping with libvorbisidec | 01:17 |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:17 |
| *** krau has joined #maemo | 01:17 | |
| AStorm | on some tracks | 01:17 |
| AStorm | maybe it's replaygain? | 01:17 |
| *** christefano has quit IRC | 01:18 | |
| AStorm | not on other tracks though | 01:18 |
| AStorm | even as loud or louder | 01:18 |
| *** tortoise_ has quit IRC | 01:19 | |
| AStorm | hmm | 01:21 |
| AStorm | can't reproduce anymore | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | poor astorm.. | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:21 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 01:21 | |
| AStorm | ok, now got it on another track | 01:21 |
| AStorm | this might be canola bug | 01:21 |
| AStorm | or multimediad | 01:22 |
| AStorm | vs vorbis | 01:23 |
| AStorm | I'll see if it happens on mp3 too | 01:23 |
| *** freelikegnu is now known as _freelikegnu | 01:25 | |
| *** flo_lap has quit IRC | 01:27 | |
| *** Fatal has joined #maemo | 01:32 | |
| evaryont_ | has anyone had fun with PocketSphinx and configuring it? | 01:32 |
| AStorm | hmm, doesn't happen on mp3 | 01:33 |
| Fatal | having problem finding an application I used on a 770, was a paint program on a huge canvas where you zoomed in and out to draw with better details.. don't know how to describe it, was made by some gimp guys if memory serves. | 01:33 |
| evaryont_ | Fatal: OS2008's Sketch seems to fit that description | 01:34 |
| AStorm | huh? | 01:34 |
| AStorm | yep | 01:34 |
| AStorm | sounds like Sketch | 01:34 |
| AStorm | I'd like that resizing canvas in maemoopad | 01:34 |
| AStorm | s/oo/o/ | 01:35 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: I'd like that resizing canvas in maemopad | 01:35 |
| evaryont_ | maemopad? | 01:35 |
| evaryont_ | lol infobot ^^ | 01:35 |
| AStorm | ya, the uber-note proggie | 01:35 |
| Fatal | yes, found it, horizon <3 | 01:35 |
| evaryont_ | gr, extras-devel doesn't have libglade2 available through Application Manager | 01:36 |
| AStorm | maemopad+ actually | 01:36 |
| evaryont_ | AStorm: syncing possible? | 01:36 |
| AStorm | not sure | 01:36 |
| AStorm | it stores data in small sqlite dbs | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | oo | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | s/o/oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo/ | 01:37 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | s/o/oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo/g | 01:37 |
| evaryont_ | hm. not the best, but I can make that sync with Skittit :) | 01:37 |
| Cptnodegard | o.o | 01:37 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm | 01:38 |
| Cptnodegard | s/hmm/Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: | 01:38 |
| Cptnodegard | meh | 01:38 |
| *** b0unc3_ has joined #maemo | 01:38 | |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | fail? :P | 01:38 |
| Cptnodegard | ~epic | 01:38 |
| infobot | well, epic is an opensource Perl IDE for the Eclipse platform. | 01:38 |
| Cptnodegard | ^^ | 01:38 |
| AStorm | unterminated command | 01:38 |
| AStorm | ~fail | 01:38 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fail is Sorry, $1, you have failed. | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | epic is an ircii clone :P | 01:38 |
| AStorm | ~fail infobot | 01:38 |
| infobot | infobot, you Fail! | 01:39 |
| Fatal | damn, seems horizon hasn't had any development since 770 :/ oh well :D source is still there \o/ | 01:39 |
| AStorm | sure yeah | 01:39 |
| evaryont_ | Cptnodegard: forgot the ending / ;) | 01:39 |
| evaryont_ | s/\/fail/ | 01:39 |
| Cptnodegard | someone should make a irc scipt counting the words 770, n800 and n810 and see which one is spoken most | 01:39 |
| evaryont_ | oops | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | fail | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:39 |
| evaryont_ | lol | 01:39 |
| *** Deformative has quit IRC | 01:39 | |
| Cptnodegard | oic | 01:40 |
| Cptnodegard | s/oic/Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant:/ | 01:40 |
| infobot | Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: | 01:40 |
| evaryont_ | Cptnodegard: that would be interesting. What channels should I monitor with that script? ;) | 01:40 |
| AStorm | I prefer SU-18 | 01:40 |
| * Cptnodegard is happy | 01:40 | |
| Cptnodegard | there are more channels than this? and canola.... | 01:40 |
| * Cptnodegard whois'es people | 01:40 | |
| *** GNUton has left #maemo | 01:41 | |
| evaryont_ | lol | 01:41 |
| evaryont_ | how do I become root on n800/OS2008? | 01:42 |
| AStorm | stupid cpu sched, rarely locks the key that is currently pressed | 01:42 |
| *** MangoFusion has quit IRC | 01:42 | |
| AStorm | known issue of <2.6.23 | 01:42 |
| evaryont_ | i wanna apt-get | 01:45 |
| BabelO | evaryont_: sudo gainroot | 01:45 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:45 |
| AStorm | that will work in r&d mode | 01:45 |
| evaryont_ | BabelO: any pkg needed beforehand? | 01:45 |
| AStorm | or after haxx | 01:45 |
| evaryont_ | yay, it works | 01:45 |
| evaryont_ | BabelO: thanks a lot :) | 01:45 |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| evaryont_ | AStorm: r&d == "red pill mode"? | 01:46 |
| AStorm | no | 01:46 |
| AStorm | the mode enabled with linux flasher util | 01:46 |
| AStorm | it's just a bit in some flash | 01:47 |
| AStorm | default gainroot checks for it | 01:47 |
| *** crashanddie has joined #maemo | 01:47 | |
| AStorm | it also sports a nicer bootup logo :P | 01:47 |
| AStorm | (and optionally serial console) | 01:47 |
| evaryont_ | lol. Easy for moderate linux power user to use? Safe? Is it even useful? | 01:50 |
| benh | AStorm: how do you hookup the serial console ? | 01:50 |
| benh | AStorm: have to open the device to get to the header or there's a "trick" > | 01:51 |
| benh | ? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | whats the simplest way to get a reminder flashing up at me on the 810, is there an "at" type command which i can say "in 15m say 'bath ready'" or similar? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | and i dont mean the built in alarm | 01:51 |
| lcuk | its not quick to configure, its not touch friendly | 01:52 |
| lcuk | actually it is good enough.. | 01:53 |
| * lcuk blushes and runs away | 01:53 | |
| AStorm | benh: the pins are inside the device | 01:53 |
| AStorm | lcuk: there's alarmd | 01:53 |
| AStorm | and that clock proggy | 01:53 |
| benh | AStorm: ok, thx.. looks like I won't do that for now then | 01:54 |
| AStorm | also, gpe-calendsr has reminders | 01:54 |
| benh | kernel hackers always look for serial ports :-) | 01:54 |
| AStorm | benh: :) | 01:54 |
| evaryont_ | AStorm: is the serial cosole accessible without opening the device? :) | 01:54 |
| AStorm | evaryont_: yes, by removing the battery | 01:54 |
| benh | AStorm: ah, that changes the picture then | 01:54 |
| AStorm | you'd need to build a connector to the battery and serial port | 01:55 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 01:55 | |
| benh | AStorm: there's an adapter one can order somewhere or it's do-it-yourself ? | 01:55 |
| *** b0unc3 has quit IRC | 01:55 | |
| evaryont_ | AStorm: ah. I was wondering how you'd use both. Need power for the serial, obviously.. | 01:55 |
| benh | bah, if I toy with the kernel, I can do so with the power plugged | 01:55 |
| lcuk | you could do it with a cable and have the battery itself keeping it in place | 01:55 |
| *** k-s has joined #maemo | 01:56 | |
| benh | it's the 7 metallic 'dots' under the battery ? | 01:56 |
| evaryont_ | how do I get my n800's LAN IP? How do I make sure it's in the same subnet as my desktop computers? | 01:57 |
| benh | an adapter for that without soldering looks like a pain in the neck... get to fit the slot perfectly to reach the contacts in the right spot | 01:57 |
| AStorm | benh: yes | 01:57 |
| Blafasel | Any opinion on that "myhava" advertisement on itt? | 01:57 |
| benh | oh well, we'll see if I ever toy with the kernel | 01:57 |
| AStorm | no, an adapter is fairly simple | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some phone adaptor will fit? | 01:57 |
| benh | AStorm: is there a wiki or something ? | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | or they have changed the design again? | 01:58 |
| AStorm | benh: dunno | 01:58 |
| benh | I bought this to use it primarily :-) but I might not resist the temptation of hacking it to bits :-) | 01:58 |
| AStorm | I'd actually use a tape with dots | 01:58 |
| *** Ikkakujyu_ has joined #maemo | 01:58 | |
| AStorm | tape that to the board correctly | 01:58 |
| evaryont_ | ifconfig nor iwconfig are installed... | 01:58 |
| benh | really only need 3 wires | 01:59 |
| AStorm | and solder the port on another port | 01:59 |
| AStorm | evaryont_: they are | 01:59 |
| AStorm | gain root | 01:59 |
| AStorm | or try /sbin/ifconfig | 02:00 |
| AStorm | benh: 2 | 02:00 |
| AStorm | rx and tx | 02:00 |
| AStorm | but then, hey put a full serial port in, why waste it? | 02:00 |
| AStorm | make a correct "tape" connector | 02:01 |
| AStorm | a'la BGA | 02:01 |
| AStorm | tape that in and even the battery will fit | 02:01 |
| benh | AStorm: I would take the ground too no ? | 02:02 |
| AStorm | who cares | 02:02 |
| AStorm | it's serial :P | 02:02 |
| benh | AStorm: yeah well, it's +/- relative to ... ground :-) | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | serial killer | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:02 |
| benh | AStorm: if it's left floating it won't go far | 02:02 |
| AStorm | benh: actually, 5V | 02:02 |
| *** NewIdentity is now known as Navi | 02:02 | |
| benh | AStorm: it's a TTL serial ? | 02:03 |
| AStorm | ground is close to 0 | 02:03 |
| benh | AStorm: I need a max232 ? | 02:03 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 02:03 |
| AStorm | it's normal RS232 | 02:03 |
| benh | serial is -12/+12 relative to 0 | 02:03 |
| AStorm | lemme check | 02:03 |
| AStorm | might be so | 02:03 |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 02:03 | |
| *** _berto_ has quit IRC | 02:03 | |
| benh | well, rs232 at least is :-) | 02:04 |
| AStorm | I'll check once my shiny new tools arrive | 02:04 |
| benh | though in practice it looks more like -6/+7 :-) | 02:04 |
| AStorm | it's 12V diff | 02:04 |
| AStorm | (at least theoretically) | 02:04 |
| benh | well, I can tell you for sure about rs232, though it's common for embedded devices not to bother with the voltage conversion | 02:04 |
| benh | and give you TTL (ie. 0...5, or more commonly 0..3) | 02:04 |
| acydlord | ugh, i still havent slept | 02:05 |
| acydlord | just watched 3 movies in a row | 02:05 |
| AStorm | acydlord: drink some, you'll fall asleep in no time | 02:05 |
| acydlord | unfortunately i'm out of anything stout enough to put me down | 02:05 |
| acydlord | and im between jobs | 02:05 |
| benh | anyway, I'll start getting the SDK installed, reading on it, and having a look at luserspace :-) | 02:06 |
| benh | I haven't coded anything in userland for ages, might give me a break from kernel | 02:06 |
| *** christefano has joined #maemo | 02:06 | |
| *** juergbi has quit IRC | 02:07 | |
| acydlord | i'm hoping that brightkite comes out with a good api | 02:09 |
| acydlord | cause i wanna add it to my location aware crap | 02:09 |
| *** Grackle has quit IRC | 02:13 | |
| *** Ikkakujyu has quit IRC | 02:13 | |
| benh | hrm... the wlan driver is binary blob ? interesting | 02:13 |
| benh | btw, while there... any suggestion on a not-too-bad bluetooth kbd that allow reasonable touch-typing ? | 02:15 |
| *** megabyte405 has quit IRC | 02:15 | |
| *** Grackle has joined #maemo | 02:17 | |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 02:18 | |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| acydlord | frogpad | 02:19 |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 02:19 | |
| acydlord | has a bit of a learning curve, but it's bomb for one handed typing | 02:20 |
| *** legind has joined #maemo | 02:24 | |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 02:25 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has joined #maemo | 02:26 | |
| Proteous | acydlord you like it? | 02:28 |
| Proteous | too bad they are so damn exspensive | 02:29 |
| Proteous | expensive | 02:29 |
| acydlord | i liked the one i borrowed for awhile | 02:29 |
| acydlord | yeah | 02:29 |
| Proteous | $150 for a bluetooth one? no thanks | 02:29 |
| Proteous | especialy something that I might not like | 02:29 |
| *** Cptnodegard has quit IRC | 02:32 | |
| AStorm | blah chorded keyboard | 02:35 |
| *** Ikkakujyu_ is now known as Ikkakujyu | 02:35 | |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 02:36 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has quit IRC | 02:36 | |
| acydlord | i want to get a typematrix | 02:38 |
| *** tortoise_ has joined #maemo | 02:45 | |
| benh | nah, something classic & 2 handed for me :-) | 02:46 |
| benh | heh, I have one of those laser projected ones, it's fun 5mn to show off | 02:47 |
| benh | but not really useable | 02:47 |
| *** blkno1 has joined #maemo | 02:47 | |
| *** tortoise_ has quit IRC | 02:52 | |
| *** djcb_ has quit IRC | 02:55 | |
| *** pupnik_ has joined #maemo | 02:57 | |
| *** ImMelody has joined #maemo | 02:59 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 03:06 | |
| *** b0unc3_ has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| *** ImMelod1 has joined #maemo | 03:15 | |
| evaryont_ | hm, is openssh on n800/OS2008 a bad choice? I found a bunch of forum posts that I should use bear-something instead of openssh as a ssh server | 03:15 |
| Fatal | (dropbear) | 03:16 |
| evaryont_ | Fatal: lol right, thanks :) | 03:16 |
| * KotCzarny drops bear on fatal | 03:16 | |
| * Proteous does a barrel roll | 03:16 | |
| Fatal | no idea about what'd be the best choice, I'm currently using openssh on my n810 | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | the only advantage of using dropbear is lower memory footprint | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | but it's not that much | 03:18 |
| evaryont_ | KotCzarny: eh. OpenSSH on my desktops is really low anyways. | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | #maemo> but it's not that much | 03:18 |
| evaryont_ | Fatal: you don't notice it? | 03:18 |
| evaryont_ | KotCzarny: just saw that after I hit enter :) | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:19 |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 03:19 | |
| *** Grackle has quit IRC | 03:20 | |
| * evaryont_ goes ahead and installs OpenSSH, which is awesome^awesome | 03:20 | |
| *** Grackle has joined #maemo | 03:21 | |
| lopz | hi | 03:21 |
| evaryont_ | why is /sbin not added to $PATH as a normal user? >:/ | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | because it's not meant for user's use | 03:22 |
| Fatal | it's not for a normal user | 03:22 |
| evaryont_ | eh, I'm not a normal person? lol I don't see why utils such as ifconfig would be put there though, they are really useful for debugging | 03:23 |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 03:23 | |
| lcuk | a normal user doesnt debug things | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | to actually do anything you would need root anyway | 03:23 |
| evaryont_ | eh, true :/ | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | and root has /sbin in path | 03:23 |
| *** Ikkakujyu has left #maemo | 03:24 | |
| Fatal | that choice has always baffled me, but /sbin/ifconfig works fine as user :) | 03:24 |
| evaryont_ | KotCzarny: yes | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | define 'works' | 03:24 |
| evaryont_ | Fatal: same here. ifconfig is useful. Oh well :) | 03:24 |
| *** ImMelody has quit IRC | 03:28 | |
| *** Navi has quit IRC | 03:29 | |
| *** ImMelod1 is now known as ImMelody | 03:30 | |
| *** Pio_ has joined #maemo | 03:31 | |
| *** luogni has joined #maemo | 03:36 | |
| *** Navi has joined #maemo | 03:36 | |
| *** evaryont_ has quit IRC | 03:37 | |
| *** zer0mdq has quit IRC | 03:38 | |
| *** evaryont has joined #maemo | 03:42 | |
| *** luogni has quit IRC | 03:44 | |
| *** coomac has joined #maemo | 03:44 | |
| *** Xamusk has joined #maemo | 03:50 | |
| *** coomac has left #maemo | 03:59 | |
| fysa | johnx: you seen http://mojo.handhelds.org/ ? | 03:59 |
| fysa | http://mojo.handhelds.org/frisky | 04:01 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 04:02 | |
| Xamusk | where can I buy a cheap used n800? | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | craigslist | 04:04 |
| SDuensin | $219 new on Tiger Direct. | 04:04 |
| Xamusk | the same price in amazon | 04:06 |
| Xamusk | but I wish I could buy it cheaper... my resources are pretty low right now | 04:06 |
| Xamusk | and I also wish to buy a bluetooth gps | 04:07 |
| Xamusk | to use it with | 04:07 |
| SDuensin | I saw a $150 on Craigslist in St. Louis. | 04:10 |
| SDuensin | http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/637162975.html | 04:10 |
| *** harry has joined #maemo | 04:12 | |
| *** evaryont_ has joined #maemo | 04:14 | |
| *** evaryont has quit IRC | 04:14 | |
| evaryont_ | what's the name of the app that allows a person to take a snapshot from the n800's camera? | 04:15 |
| *** Sulis has quit IRC | 04:16 | |
| SDuensin | I think it's called "Camera" on mine. | 04:20 |
| SDuensin | (I don't have it handy to look - sorry.) | 04:21 |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 04:22 | |
| *** JussiP has quit IRC | 04:26 | |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 04:38 | |
| dick-richardson | burgers on the grill, got 'em perfect :D | 04:40 |
| lopz | night | 04:41 |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 04:45 | |
| Xamusk | how much does the battery of the N800 lasts in ON state (to read e-books)? | 04:48 |
| elb | a long time | 04:49 |
| elb | with wifi and bluetooth off, at least 5 hours of reading, in my experience | 04:50 |
| Xamusk | long time can be from 1h to 1 year | 04:50 |
| elb | oh, wait, I don't know about the N800 -- my numbers are for the N810 | 04:51 |
| Xamusk | hum | 04:52 |
| Xamusk | 5h is bad | 04:53 |
| Xamusk | maybe I should keep my Palm m100 | 04:53 |
| elb | at least 5 hours, is what I said, actually | 04:53 |
| elb | but a Palm almost certainly lasts longer | 04:53 |
| Xamusk | hum | 04:53 |
| Xamusk | too bad | 04:57 |
| *** ralann|n810 has joined #maemo | 04:58 | |
| johnx | Xamusk, yeah...there's not much that runs on batteries as long as a 68k based Palm | 05:02 |
| *** evaryont_ has quit IRC | 05:02 | |
| *** evaryont has joined #maemo | 05:02 | |
| *** herz1 has joined #maemo | 05:02 | |
| johnx | fysa, saw it a while ago | 05:02 |
| johnx | I'm not entirely sure why they're doing old distros first though O_o | 05:02 |
| Xamusk | too bad I'm not having a stable connection | 05:02 |
| *** vivijim has joined #maemo | 05:05 | |
| *** trbs has left #maemo | 05:05 | |
| *** vivijim has quit IRC | 05:06 | |
| *** shackan has left #maemo | 05:07 | |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 05:08 | |
| *** Mark974 has joined #maemo | 05:09 | |
| *** playya_ has quit IRC | 05:11 | |
| *** playya_ has joined #maemo | 05:12 | |
| *** herzi has quit IRC | 05:18 | |
| *** Sulis has joined #maemo | 05:19 | |
| *** l7_ has quit IRC | 05:19 | |
| *** astro76 has quit IRC | 05:24 | |
| *** WormFood has quit IRC | 05:28 | |
| evaryont | What repo is maemo-games-startup in? I'd like to install indtgames but Application Manager can't find it :/ | 05:28 |
| *** dick-richardson has quit IRC | 05:32 | |
| *** BabelO has quit IRC | 05:34 | |
| Proteous | don't know | 05:35 |
| *** Xamusk has quit IRC | 05:36 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has quit IRC | 05:38 | |
| *** VimSi has joined #maemo | 05:40 | |
| *** vims0r has quit IRC | 05:40 | |
| *** joyious has joined #Maemo | 05:41 | |
| joyious | Hi there | 05:41 |
| joyious | I'm facing a problem using N810's mp3sink and amrsink in my own gstreamer media player | 05:43 |
| joyious | i'm using playbing for auto plug in, but the playbin can not find the mp3sink and amrsink correctly | 05:44 |
| Proteous | I just have a 770 | 05:44 |
| joyious | i thought it's the same in the dsp related sink ？ | 05:44 |
| johnx | evaryont, maemo-games-startup is for OS2007. Are you trying to install an old game? | 05:48 |
| evaryont | johnx: I guess? indtgames depends on it, and I'd like to install it, or do I have to install each of their games seperately? | 05:48 |
| johnx | huh...odd. I'm getting the same thing here | 05:49 |
| johnx | sorry, I have no idea O_o | 05:50 |
| evaryont | lol | 05:50 |
| evaryont | does osso-<whatever> provide maemo-games-startup ? | 05:50 |
| evaryont | I think the pkg name would be osso-games-startup | 05:50 |
| johnx | probably not as apt-get isn't finding it as a valid dependency to install for me | 05:51 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm off to work | 05:51 |
| johnx | good luck | 05:51 |
| *** Navi has quit IRC | 05:52 | |
| evaryont | thanks :/ | 05:54 |
| *** Navi has joined #maemo | 06:03 | |
| *** Grackle has quit IRC | 06:08 | |
| *** shackan has joined #maemo | 06:08 | |
| *** pupnik_ is now known as pupnik | 06:13 | |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 06:13 | |
| *** MrDowntempo has quit IRC | 06:20 | |
| *** rafael has joined #maemo | 06:22 | |
| rafael | hi guys | 06:22 |
| *** WormFood has joined #maemo | 06:22 | |
| rafael | I need a problem with N800 | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | need a problem? then throw it | 06:23 |
| rafael | However, I belive that for yours this problem be very little | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | hammer could also work | 06:24 |
| rafael | simply, I do not entry as Root on Maemo (N800) | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | rafael: install ssh-server and do: ssh root@0 | 06:24 |
| rafael | I tried, however, it need root to install :S | 06:25 |
| *** AStorm has quit IRC | 06:26 | |
| *** astro76 has joined #maemo | 06:26 | |
| rafael | any idea? any link that you can pass to me? | 06:27 |
| benh | is there any negative side effect of enabling RD mode ? | 06:27 |
| rafael | yeah, however, I should to be anything with error | 06:28 |
| rafael | I access "aplicatives manager"->"tools"->"aplicatives catalogue"->"new" on web address I write "matrix" and cancel | 06:30 |
| rafael | and then, I clicked in "red" | 06:30 |
| benh | heh, there's a DSP in the tablet, I didn't even know :-) | 06:30 |
| rafael | right? | 06:31 |
| benh | it's in the omap or it's separate ? | 06:31 |
| KotCzarny | rafael: r&d mode is NOT red pill mode | 06:31 |
| rafael | :S not?! | 06:31 |
| rafael | hahaha | 06:31 |
| benh | KotCzarny: what is red pill mode btw ? I enabled r&d with 0xffff to get root etc... I didn't know there also was a red pill mode :-) | 06:32 |
| rafael | for this, I don't have a sucess! | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | benh: red pill disables the need for packages to have "user/" in "Section:" | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | i never used r&d mode | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | for root i use ssh | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:33 |
| rafael | and how I can enable R&D mode? | 06:33 |
| benh | KotCzarny: not sure what "having user/ in Section: means but I suppose it has to do with installing some types of packages.. | 06:34 |
| benh | heh, interesting | 06:34 |
| rafael | any quickly answer? (different of "google") | 06:34 |
| benh | reading the docs... it's funny how they insist that you should be using the gstreamer framework for perfs etc... | 06:34 |
| benh | while from some quick tests, mplayer for maemo is significantly better/faster than their codec | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | banh: it's a nokia's try to comb the packages in app man | 06:34 |
| benh | KotCzarny: I see | 06:35 |
| benh | KotCzarny: thx | 06:35 |
| benh | has access to the DSP been reverse engineered ? or it's still nokia-provided use only ? | 06:36 |
| benh | (unless I misread the docs) | 06:36 |
| rafael | I have developed a ODF reader on tournament of programation, however, those devices was all installed :P | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | gstreamer or write your own task using it dsp compiler | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:36 |
| benh | ok so we do have a dsp compiler etc.. it's not some kind of uber srkit bit | 06:38 |
| benh | good | 06:38 |
| rafael | thanks for this tips dear friends... | 06:38 |
| benh | I haven't toyed with a DSP for ages, I might have fun with it some day | 06:39 |
| benh | what kind of DSP is it ? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | specialized | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | google it site i guess | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | for omap2 | 06:39 |
| rafael | Anybody is Brazilian in here? | 06:40 |
| rafael | no? | 06:41 |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 06:43 | |
| rafael | ok | 06:43 |
| rafael | thanks very much for tips again | 06:43 |
| benh | brb | 06:44 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 06:44 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 06:44 | |
| rafael | You is BR? | 06:45 |
| *** benh has joined #maemo | 06:45 | |
| benh | hrm... the install.txt for scratchbox/sdk is a bit weak | 06:48 |
| benh | any tip on how to add a user to scratchbox before installing the sdk ? | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | just follow install.txt | 06:48 |
| *** rafael has left #maemo | 06:48 | |
| benh | KotCzarny: yeah, forgot to use -u to add a user at install time | 06:49 |
| *** thatoneguy has quit IRC | 06:49 | |
| benh | I suppose I can just reinstall | 06:49 |
| *** astro76 has quit IRC | 07:00 | |
| *** astro76 has joined #maemo | 07:00 | |
| pupnik | Rethinking IP Completely: | 07:03 |
| pupnik | http://mises.org/multimedia/mp3/ASC2008/ASC08-Kinsella.mp3 | 07:03 |
| pupnik | By N. Stephan Kinsella May 1, 2008 | 07:04 |
| benh | heh, red pill mode makes app mgr pretty useless | 07:04 |
| Proteous | Internet protocal or intelectual property | 07:04 |
| benh | version fields becomes 80% of the displayed width leaving barely 8 or 9 chars visible of the package name | 07:04 |
| benh | (in full screen !) | 07:04 |
| benh | fun | 07:04 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:04 |
| * benh goes command line | 07:04 | |
| KotCzarny | it's not red pill, it's b0rken packages | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | with veeeeeeery long version info | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | like 2006+something+something_other+some_stuff_+weee_loove_to_talk | 07:05 |
| benh | yeah | 07:06 |
| benh | it's annoying that the columns can't be resized tho | 07:06 |
| benh | heh, everybody can't resist making his own music player I see :-) | 07:06 |
| flatface | is there one that does gapless playback yet? | 07:09 |
| *** tjafk2 has joined #maemo | 07:09 | |
| *** TimRiker has quit IRC | 07:10 | |
| benh | heh, there's no pipe sign on the keyboard ! oops | 07:13 |
| pupnik | Proteous: intellectual property | 07:14 |
| pupnik | He's an IP lawyer | 07:14 |
| Proteous | thanks | 07:14 |
| pupnik | Some stuff i'd never heard before | 07:14 |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 07:16 | |
| konttori | were you guys able to get the frisky configured for the application manager? ( fysa, johnx) | 07:17 |
| *** kriebel has joined #maemo | 07:17 | |
| *** kriebel has joined #maemo | 07:23 | |
| *** tjafk1 has quit IRC | 07:25 | |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 07:25 | |
| *** Italodance has joined #maemo | 07:27 | |
| *** kriebel is now known as kriebz | 07:28 | |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 07:36 | |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 07:37 | |
| *** dick-richardson has joined #maemo | 07:39 | |
| dick-richardson | what does phonelink do? | 07:39 |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 07:41 | |
| *** dolske_ has joined #maemo | 07:43 | |
| Italodance | dick-richardson sms and call with ur bluetooth | 07:47 |
| dick-richardson | Italodance: thank you. :) | 07:47 |
| dick-richardson | anyone know if you can send and receive sms messages w/o a phone? | 07:48 |
| Italodance | dick-richardson w/o? | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | dickr: most companies allow you to use www to do it, but it's limited often | 07:49 |
| *** shackan has quit IRC | 07:49 | |
| doc|home | dick-richardson: clickatell.com | 07:49 |
| *** kriebz has quit IRC | 07:49 | |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 07:49 | |
| dick-richardson | :D | 07:50 |
| dick-richardson | thank you! | 07:50 |
| doc|home | although those are wholesalers of sms messages, I'm working on something else for less demanding users | 07:50 |
| doc|home | still much cheaper than telecomms providers | 07:50 |
| *** doc|home has quit IRC | 07:53 | |
| *** dolske has quit IRC | 07:57 | |
| *** pupnik has quit IRC | 07:57 | |
| *** adam_ has joined #maemo | 08:00 | |
| *** pupnik has joined #maemo | 08:01 | |
| adam_ | Where can I find python-pygtksourceview at | 08:01 |
| dick-richardson | I'm using curl to send post requests to a site...how do i handle special characters? | 08:01 |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 08:03 | |
| *** netx has joined #maemo | 08:03 | |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 08:03 | |
| adam_ | Where can I find python-pygtksourceview at? | 08:05 |
| pupnik | google? | 08:05 |
| *** ImMelod1 has joined #maemo | 08:07 | |
| *** johnx has joined #maemo | 08:07 | |
| *** Crfrod has joined #maemo | 08:09 | |
| *** ImMelod2 has joined #maemo | 08:09 | |
| *** Grackle has joined #maemo | 08:14 | |
| *** scibot has joined #maemo | 08:14 | |
| scibot | Can anyone recommend a task manager for maemo? It doesn't have to be in the todo list style, I'm more looking for personal recommendations. | 08:15 |
| scibot | Even if it's the text editor. =/ | 08:15 |
| dick-richardson | I use top | 08:16 |
| scibot | What's that? | 08:17 |
| dick-richardson | open up the command line and type 'top' | 08:17 |
| dick-richardson | better yet, install htop | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | i think he needs something else | 08:17 |
| *** f_mohr has joined #maemo | 08:17 | |
| Grackle | That's a system taks manager, silly. | 08:17 |
| Grackle | He means a personal task manager. | 08:17 |
| dick-richardson | I'm incredibly slow. 2 demerits for me | 08:18 |
| dick-richardson | gpe todo is good | 08:18 |
| Grackle | hehe | 08:18 |
| flatface | all of the gpe programs I've tried to install have placed me in dependency hell. could never get them installed properly :/ | 08:20 |
| dick-richardson | flatface: really? I didn't have that problem. you use the gronmayer.com/it repo recommendation? | 08:21 |
| dick-richardson | how do you send function keys at the command line? f1-f10 | 08:21 |
| flatface | Can't remember, I last tried a few months ago. Let me check my repos | 08:21 |
| *** f_mohr has left #maemo | 08:22 | |
| flatface | ...hm. I've got www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ | 08:22 |
| flatface | I'll try the one you linked, thanks | 08:22 |
| dick-richardson | np. :) | 08:23 |
| *** foka_ has joined #maemo | 08:24 | |
| *** ImMelod1 has quit IRC | 08:24 | |
| *** ImMelody has quit IRC | 08:24 | |
| *** foka has quit IRC | 08:25 | |
| pupnik | awesome, zodttd got his pandora | 08:25 |
| *** Crfrodf has quit IRC | 08:26 | |
| *** dick-richardson has left #maemo | 08:39 | |
| *** ralann has quit IRC | 08:41 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 08:42 | |
| *** zpol has joined #maemo | 08:44 | |
| zpol | hi | 08:45 |
| *** Zic has joined #maemo | 08:46 | |
| *** ralann has joined #maemo | 08:46 | |
| *** Masca has quit IRC | 08:50 | |
| *** scibot has quit IRC | 08:56 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 08:58 | |
| *** zpol has quit IRC | 09:12 | |
| *** Zic has quit IRC | 09:24 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has joined #maemo | 09:25 | |
| *** philipl has quit IRC | 09:27 | |
| *** Zic has joined #maemo | 09:38 | |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 09:38 | |
| *** ImMelody has joined #maemo | 09:39 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 09:39 | |
| *** Cptnodegard has joined #maemo | 09:44 | |
| *** ImMelod2 has quit IRC | 09:55 | |
| *** texel has joined #maemo | 10:16 | |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 10:17 | |
| *** Sho_ has joined #maemo | 10:27 | |
| *** texel has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** red-zack has joined #maemo | 10:37 | |
| *** skibur has quit IRC | 10:47 | |
| *** greentux_ has quit IRC | 10:51 | |
| *** kaltsi has quit IRC | 10:51 | |
| *** juergbi has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| *** zwnj has left #maemo | 11:05 | |
| *** qwerty12 has joined #maemo | 11:12 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 11:14 | |
| *** megabyte405 has joined #maemo | 11:16 | |
| *** jeddy3 has joined #maemo | 11:28 | |
| *** murrayc_ has joined #maemo | 11:30 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** foka_ has quit IRC | 11:39 | |
| *** mardi__ has joined #maemo | 11:44 | |
| *** kabtoffe has quit IRC | 11:47 | |
| *** kabtoffe has joined #maemo | 11:59 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| lcuk | my 810 is dead after 7.5 hours idling | 12:02 |
| lcuk | 8 hours unplugged | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | you have probably left something running | 12:02 |
| qwerty12 | Probably not, battery life on mine sucks. | 12:02 |
| lcuk | it happens every single night | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 12:03 |
| lcuk | from reboot it is dead in that time | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | what applets you have? | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | statusbar ? | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | desktop apps? | 12:03 |
| lcuk | yer - and i noted that refreshes every hour | 12:03 |
| lcuk | ievery second | 12:03 |
| lcuk | is that the price i pay for seeing cpu usage.. | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | i have cpu usage applet too | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | and it idles ~8-10 days | 12:04 |
| lcuk | maybe if it saw that machine was locked it should not check | 12:04 |
| Cptnodegard | me too and i get days | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | check your config | 12:04 |
| lcuk | i did leave wifi on, but nothing connected (i closed everything at this end) | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | it's definitely something running | 12:04 |
| qwerty12 | Which CPU applet? The graph one or the load applet (the screenshot one) | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | with wifi i get 1-3 days | 12:04 |
| lcuk | i know that, but its been running from day 1 | 12:04 |
| Cptnodegard | yesterday mine almost depleted in hours, because i left it right in the zone where the wifi signal dropped out. it kept reconnecting and disconnecting all the time | 12:04 |
| lcuk | load applet | 12:04 |
| Cptnodegard | load applet ftw | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | +` | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | s/+`/+1 | 12:05 |
| lcuk | can i change the usage of the lock slider | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | that regexp would fail | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:05 |
| lcuk | so when i lock it it turns off weifi+bluetooth | 12:05 |
| lcuk | weifi :) cool, new wireless | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | you can enable wifi idle disabling | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 12:05 |
| qwerty12 | mce may control that lock slider, not sure, I have N800. | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if it's not used for 60min it disconnects from ap | 12:06 |
| Cptnodegard | i leave wifi on all the itme... doesnt drain much IMO (at least considering its online in gtalk, refreshing rss etc) | 12:06 |
| lcuk | cos thats how i lock it at night - click app menu, close *ahem* fbreader and then slide the lock | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | still, you have something running | 12:06 |
| *** slomo has quit IRC | 12:06 | |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's locked on performance cpufreq? | 12:07 |
| lcuk | i cant even blame it on performance, im working towards running everything on ondemand | 12:07 |
| qwerty12 | I wonder if AStorm got CPU_TIMER stats to work in .25, you could run powertop then. | 12:07 |
| lcuk | i lowered default res for this reason | 12:07 |
| Cptnodegard | you might have something that accesses the memory card a lot... that usesa shitload of power | 12:07 |
| *** murrayc_ has quit IRC | 12:07 | |
| lcuk | my evil genius overlord program is calculating things? | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | run top and see | 12:08 |
| lcuk | but that is meant to be inconspicuous - its meant to be low power until it takes over the world | 12:08 |
| lcuk | i cant its shut down | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | if it drains battery before it reaches it's goal.. | 12:09 |
| lcuk | tether | 12:09 |
| qwerty12 | I still wonder if CPU_TIMERSTATS was fixed in .25, because then powertop could be used. My kernel crashes with it built, hrw's kernel works with it but wifi is disabled. | 12:10 |
| lcuk | ok, so you guys can hold a wifi connection for days what about if i leave a putty session open and run top at opportune moments | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 12:10 |
| lcuk | will me holding a putty session open from this computer drain battery much faster | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | as long you don't send/receive any data you can even turn off wifi | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | and session will stay | 12:10 |
| lcuk | i actually think all this is related to my adhoc wifi | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | try setting wifi idle to 60 min. | 12:11 |
| lcuk | i would like to switch to try bt network for a while but its too much faffing nw | 12:12 |
| lcuk | i did that, most nights i disable wifi totally | 12:12 |
| lcuk | disconnect^ | 12:12 |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 12:12 | |
| lcuk | i can get at top and the stats from my own program can't i | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | Does it defeat the purpose of a "port" when you have to include a killing script with it? | 12:14 |
| lcuk | if i write my own little program to sleep for a minute, grab all top stats, sleep again etc | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, i think kernel can gather stats all by itself | 12:14 |
| lcuk | but how does it share them with mere mortals? | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's oprofile in kernel | 12:15 |
| *** WormFood has quit IRC | 12:15 | |
| lcuk | that needs recompile of kernel | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | get used to recompiling the kernel | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:16 |
| qwerty12 | It's not hard :) | 12:16 |
| qwerty12 | Even I can do it. | 12:16 |
| lcuk | once i start down that road i dont know where it will end | 12:16 |
| qwerty12 | You don't have to flash the resulting kernel, you can just boot from it one time. | 12:16 |
| lcuk | im hoping to do as much as possible within the bounds other people have | 12:16 |
| lcuk | but thats not testing what i have here is it | 12:17 |
| lcuk | my compilation may have other attributes set or compiler optimisations or even just a different compiler - i dont know the full toolchain to produce an identical (barring oprofile) modification | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | hum? | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | ? | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | if you change gcc version | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | it changes kernel 'magic' | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | so it knows modules are different | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | more or less | 12:19 |
| lcuk | so i can go and get the full kernel right now i can produce an identical binary to the kernel on my machine | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | and refue to load them | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | same goes for compilation flags | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | ie smp, preempt, i686 | 12:19 |
| lcuk | i686 is useful on this machine ;) | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | it was just an example | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:20 |
| lcuk | i know | 12:20 |
| *** slomo has joined #maemo | 12:21 | |
| lcuk | hmmm i have been here before | 12:23 |
| lcuk | top_log_viewer.vbp | 12:23 |
| *** simon_ has joined #maemo | 12:23 | |
| lcuk | yup, ive even got the top log script | 12:26 |
| *** hugol1 has joined #maemo | 12:26 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 12:27 | |
| lcuk | while true ; do date >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; top -n1 >> /media/mmc2/toplog.txt ; sleep 5 ; done | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | mount tmpfs somewhere | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | and log to it | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | that way you will save battery | 12:28 |
| *** harry has quit IRC | 12:30 | |
| lcuk | battery is already dying, not an issue. i only left that log running and building stats for a couple of hours last time, ill leave it going this evening | 12:30 |
| lcuk | it didnt really show anything though then either | 12:31 |
| lcuk | top was highest cpu abuser for most of the time | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:33 |
| * lcuk maybe i should ignore top in the % | 12:34 | |
| *** kaltsi has joined #maemo | 12:36 | |
| KotCzarny | maybe you should gather stats in some other way? | 12:36 |
| lcuk | well im open to suggestions which dont involve a new kernel | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 12:37 |
| lcuk | hence me thinking about a little program myself | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | why are you so afraid of new kernel? | 12:37 |
| qwerty12 | You can extract original one from the RX44 bin image when you are done. | 12:38 |
| qwerty12 | bollox, I hate it when I close sbox accidently. | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | i have a script that start sbox for me | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | and closes when i'm done with it | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | I used to have one but it got deleted when I reformatted. | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | I jacked the one from the vmware image. | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | just put all the repeated command into a file | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:41 |
| lcuk | changing the kernel feels like walking into the garage and hearing "[sucking air through teeth] hmmmm i cant tell why your engine is knocking, lets build you a new one and replace your existing one to find out whats wrong" | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | like cat 0 > vdso; mount; sbox-start; sbox-stop; umount; echo 1 > vdso | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | But you can easily change the kernel back. | 12:41 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, nice, thanks | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | those weren't actual command, more like hint | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | I just keep vdso disabled permanently via sysctl. | 12:42 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I shall use those hints :) | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i like rotation | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | and if you use default config and build kernel in scratchbox, you should get the exact kernel you have on nokia | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | exactamont (in broken French) | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | ie. make n800_config; make | 12:43 |
| qwerty12 | I use nokia_2420_defconfig | 12:43 |
| lcuk | different issue, if you want a high performance engine with turbos | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | that was also a hint | 12:44 |
| qwerty12 | Mine wasn't ;) | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:44 |
| *** sp3001 has joined #maemo | 12:45 | |
| qwerty12 | :). lcuk: Think of it like this, using nokia_2420_defconfig would produce an identical kernel to the one you already have. So it would be like the engine being the same but with different engine oil etc (I don't have a car btw) | 12:45 |
| KotCzarny | well, even oil should be the same | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | hehe true :) | 12:46 |
| qwerty12 | A speck of dust then :p | 12:46 |
| * lcuk prefers to just get a stethascope and listen to the current engine to make a clean diagnosis | 12:46 | |
| KotCzarny | it's more like getting a factory that can build the same model | 12:46 |
| lcuk | with an o | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | then having factory you can tweak some params | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | and produce a little different model | 12:47 |
| glass | lcuk: if you have blueprints and produce a new engine with relatively little electricity.... | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | with features added/removed | 12:47 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, you can't brick the N810 with a dodgy kernel. | 12:47 |
| lcuk | i dont want a new engine :'( i want to find out whats wrong with my current one | 12:47 |
| glass | you're more likely to find it out from blueprints? | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, but for that having a factory to build modified ones could help diagnosing the differences | 12:48 |
| glass | rather than taking the compiled engine apart | 12:48 |
| qwerty12 | Agreed. | 12:48 |
| lcuk | im not afraid of bricking or breaking or anything, im more concerned that ill put oprofile and the problem will go away and ive wasted a day learning how to do it but the core problem remains in the default kernel | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | ie. add that, see if it runs better/worse | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: default kernel will change with the next os upgrade | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | so what's the point of treating it as absolute? | 12:49 |
| lcuk | yes fine, ill upgrade it then | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | Go on! :) | 12:49 |
| glass | of course if your stuff has to run on default kernel | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | but to have a better kernel at the next upgrade problems should be diagnosed | 12:49 |
| lcuk | but i wont have had to learn extra stuff | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | also, if a simple change can make it run better | 12:50 |
| qwerty12 | (I'm interested to learn how to add oprofile btw, so I'll keep a watch on this chan. Last time I tried, I failed) | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | people would do it and swap the default for the better | 12:50 |
| lcuk | glass, of course i want my stuff to run on default kernel - i cant expect people to have to change their just to run my code | 12:50 |
| *** ralann has quit IRC | 12:50 | |
| glass | lcuk: yeah | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | people will do anything if you can convince them it will be better | 12:51 |
| lcuk | so far though you 2 havent convinced me | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | rotation/xrandr is a good example | 12:51 |
| *** JussiP has joined #maemo | 12:52 | |
| lcuk | but what happens when nokia releases an update? | 12:52 |
| lcuk | do they keep r&r? | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | my bet they will use current -omap branch of kernel | 12:53 |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 12:53 | |
| KotCzarny | current in mainstream, not in nokia.com | 12:53 |
| *** sp3001 is now known as sp3000 | 12:53 | |
| qwerty12 | nah, they won't - it's unofficial community hack so nokia wouldn't support it. But patch is available so it isn't hard to port and apply yourself. | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | and i think that patch is already in -omap | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | that's the beauty of openness | 12:54 |
| *** harry has joined #maemo | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | so joe blow with his rotating nokia will lose it when nokia releases diablo, they then have to scrabble around to regain a feature. its not ideal | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, as a developer you need tools that are not usefull for joe blow | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | You applied a unofficial community hack in the first place, you should be prepared to accept consequences. | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | but it doesn't stop you from installing them on your tablet | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | Also, xomap may need updating for diablo. | 12:55 |
| *** BTobotras has quit IRC | 12:56 | |
| lcuk | 100% agree that i can do whatever i want, but if i expect users to have to do the same it becomes a big problem at upgrade time | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | then you just revert to 'original' kernel/libs for testing | 12:56 |
| lcuk | better to work with whats available | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | or ask people to test | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | or just keep 2 machines | 12:56 |
| lcuk | hence my original question: how can i log and monitor cpu stats on my device without having to reflash a new kernel | 12:57 |
| jott | lcuk: i really don't get your point. you can even boot a oprofile enabled kernel without flashing it. | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: probably by analyzing files in /proc | 12:58 |
| jott | if you use a oprofile kernel you will use it just for benchmarking/profiling your application/system, when you are done - reboot and get the vanilla nokia kernel back | 12:59 |
| *** WormFood has joined #maemo | 13:00 | |
| jott | on the other hand - when you achieve a huge perfomance boost or some really nice improvements on a kernel level, there are alot of people willing to take the consequences | 13:01 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, if you decide to go oprofile, http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/05/22/oprofile-and-maemo-n800/ | 13:01 |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| qwerty12 | v.old however. | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | i think pupnik had some fun with oprofile | 13:01 |
| qwerty12 | yeh | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | he couldn't mount those modules I compiled against stock nokia kernel for him :/ | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | s/mount/insmod | 13:02 |
| jott | oprofile is nice for some quick and dirty profiling. | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: if you are interested in simply generating run stats, you can compile your app with gprofile inrofmation | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | that will save the log of used functions with some oeverhead | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | and then another tool can generate report from it | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's: -fprofile-generate | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | or -pg | 13:04 |
| lcuk | im already happy which parts of my program are ok - i just wanna see where my battery is draining to | 13:05 |
| lcuk | did you write a command line battery level viewer? | 13:05 |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 13:05 | |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | but it's more like raw dc voltage from battery | 13:05 |
| lcuk | where is it? - ill put it in my little thing | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | usual link | 13:05 |
| lcuk | thats ok, it will allow me to track | 13:05 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, oh yeah, I figured out why my retu values were being returned as fffffff :) | 13:06 |
| lcuk | oprofile is above and beyond what i need right now - ill find out in the morning whats happening - ill just run as normal and leave my little script running overnight | 13:06 |
| *** johnx has joined #maemo | 13:06 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: /n800/kcbatt/ | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: root needed :) | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :). I was running it via personal menu with root option ticked but it doesn't run anything after battery-status as root so it was just running && kcbatt rather than && sudo kcbatt :) | 13:07 |
| *** kabtoffe has quit IRC | 13:08 | |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: chown root kcbatt; chmod +s kcbatt | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | and you can run it as user then :) | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks :). I was using sudo with ALL = ALL NOPASSWD etc | 13:08 |
| lcuk | hmmm kot, something wrong with your dns | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 13:09 |
| lcuk | using your normal domain+port gives The server at 192.168.1.32 is taking too long to respond. | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | add port :23280 | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 13:09 |
| lcuk | hmmm indeed, it pings ok | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ | 13:10 |
| lcuk | ping your domain gives 68.blah, but trying from browser gives a 192.blah error | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | If you don't mind me asking, does the "gather_data" stuff run on computer using logs/dumps from kcbatt running on the N800? | 13:12 |
| lcuk | heh - without the trailing slash it gives error | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: i think only script 0_something runs on device | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | the rest is just parsing/plotting | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | which can be done anywhere (assuming you have utils/skills) | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks. The graph looks cool, I'd be interested in trying it out sometime. | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Nah, I don't have skills :D | 13:13 |
| KotCzarny | i went lazy way and wrote dat -> gnuplot conversion in php | 13:13 |
| * KotCzarny feels a little vbish | 13:13 | |
| KotCzarny | but just a little | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:14 |
| lcuk | if it gets the job done | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 13:14 |
| qwerty12 | fo sure | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | fast enough and easy to modify | 13:14 |
| lcuk | incidentally, my bother with parsing strings in c, the top_log viewer thing i hacked up in vb uses this sort of line for parsing | 13:15 |
| lcuk | qScan(lin, qt, "stp ", "[d.nam] [d.mon] [d.num] [d.h]:[d.m]:[d.s] GMT [d.yr] :: [d.title]") | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:15 |
| lcuk | ive started to put same thing into c :) | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | i think you will see something similiar in .phpsh | 13:15 |
| lcuk | yer probably | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | \d is any digit in regexp | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | \s is any spacing char | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | + is one of more of the char on the left | 13:17 |
| lcuk | i looked at regex and its another language entirely - it hurt my head ;) | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you will love it | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:17 |
| lcuk | i reorganised all the page/stroke/point code last night in prep for proper saving - i no longer allocate a buffer array of points as i am drawing the stroke ive got linked list :) | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | i should move myself into the bed | 13:19 |
| lcuk | im just worried about fragmentation cos calling malloc on lots of little bits is bad so i thought, but then realised that at some level malloc must be a bit sensible | 13:19 |
| lcuk | sudo apt-get install kot_in_bed | 13:19 |
| lcuk | or something | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | then just call malloc in a loop once | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | off i go | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | night ppl | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | night | 13:20 |
| lcuk | nite | 13:20 |
| *** kabtoffe has joined #maemo | 13:21 | |
| qwerty12 | So seeing as it's gonna be quiet, what's happenin my gangstas? | 13:21 |
| lcuk | im stripping and rebuilding lots of code | 13:23 |
| lcuk | ive got the bits for my battery test tonight and can get on with actual work | 13:23 |
| qwerty12 | Cool | 13:24 |
| lcuk | :D whats even better is its bank holiday tomorrow | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :D | 13:24 |
| qwerty12 | No school for me tommorow, w00t | 13:24 |
| lcuk | and then on tuesday im calling finland and confirming my cc details with travel agent | 13:24 |
| lcuk | infact i could do that tomorrow, chances are they havent got a holiday | 13:25 |
| qwerty12 | Nice :). Enjoy yourself :) | 13:25 |
| lcuk | in amongst all this planning for linuxtag ive got to stop everything and go on real family holiday | 13:25 |
| * lcuk is surrounded by suitcases | 13:26 | |
| qwerty12 | lol, I wish I was. Furthest I've been is in Bolton :( | 13:26 |
| * qwerty12 is tempted to smack my N800 up if it keeps on saying Usb device not supported. | 13:27 | |
| lcuk | well this year is the first time we have managed to get abroad on our own wallet | 13:27 |
| qwerty12 | Still, it's a nice thing though :) | 13:28 |
| * qwerty12 has an odd impulse to compile another kernel | 13:28 | |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Linuxtag would be neat.. If I manage to get vacation I'll probably join there as wel | 13:28 |
| qwerty12 | So, what is happening in Linuxtag, in a nutshell? | 13:29 |
| *** zwnj has joined #maemo | 13:29 | |
| lcuk | there are a number of nokia maemo presentations and talks, and on the wider linux scene similar things from lots of companies | 13:30 |
| qwerty12 | Ah nice, thanks for clearing it up for me. | 13:30 |
| lcuk | i dont actually know everything thats going on, but im glad i have the chance to go and see everything | 13:30 |
| lcuk | its a chance to see the best of breed from the scene | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | If I'm being honest, if I was a couple years older and I knew a LOT, I'd go to see more of Berlin :p | 13:31 |
| *** joyious has left #Maemo | 13:31 | |
| lcuk | well im there for a few days - im sure i wont sit inside the whole time | 13:31 |
| qwerty12 | hehe, I'd hope not :p | 13:32 |
| lcuk | though since i will have a tan (having just got back from family holday a few days before) im not sure i will get in the door | 13:32 |
| lcuk | "im sorry son, you are not pale enough to enter this linux convention" | 13:32 |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 13:33 | |
| qwerty12 | "son, Do You Know Why I'm Stopping You For?" | 13:35 |
| qwerty12 | Man, the exam authorities should lower the time for the Citizenship exam :/ :( | 13:36 |
| lcuk | in england? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 13:43 |
| lcuk | where are you from originally then if you are taking? | 13:44 |
| qwerty12 | Everyone has to take it in school. I'm originally Pakistani that was born in this country. | 13:44 |
| lcuk | i thought if you were born here you were considered english on paperwork | 13:45 |
| lcuk | not that it matters, good luck with passing it - ive heard its quite tough | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, it's a school subject. Everyone of any nationality in school has to take it. (It's usually an optional subject but our school forces everyone to take it). Its about things like AIDS, Bullying etc. | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 13:46 |
| * konttori just videod a small presentation of the wiicontrol. Just about to push it to youtube. | 13:47 | |
| lcuk | lol konttori i laugh everytime i hear about controlling your wii | 13:47 |
| konttori | ;) | 13:48 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, you live in london now dont you | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | lmao | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, yes :) | 13:48 |
| lcuk | how you feel about boris becoming mayor - as an outsider i think he will do ok | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | I'm not sure TBH, I want to see what he does yet. Ken wasn't great either imo, a lot of bus fares increased. But the free travel on buses for under 16's was a nice touch. | 13:50 |
| *** pH5 has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| *** b0unc3 has joined #maemo | 14:00 | |
| lcuk | :D w000t i have finally got my computer all to myself. cbeebies works on the laptop | 14:01 |
| keesj | konttori: in combo with maemo I guess? | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, in this house, we all have our own computers :p | 14:02 |
| konttori | wiicontrol and maemo. yes | 14:03 |
| konttori | Latest version with gyro support in here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3996/wiicontrol-1.02_all.deb | 14:04 |
| konttori | I'll try to make a publish blog today. | 14:05 |
| *** qwerty12_N800 has joined #maemo | 14:06 | |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 14:07 | |
| *** giskard has joined #maemo | 14:07 | |
| *** j0tt has joined #maemo | 14:12 | |
| *** jott has quit IRC | 14:12 | |
| *** j0tt is now known as jott | 14:12 | |
| *** BTobotras has quit IRC | 14:13 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 14:15 | |
| *** crashanddie has quit IRC | 14:15 | |
| *** Mark974 has quit IRC | 14:17 | |
| konttori | Wiicontrol demo video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnZpkeFhGs | 14:17 |
| *** crashanddie has joined #maemo | 14:19 | |
| *** matt_c has quit IRC | 14:19 | |
| *** qwerty12 has quit IRC | 14:20 | |
| jldiaz | hey, konttori :) | 14:20 |
| konttori | Hi jldiaz! | 14:20 |
| jldiaz | I had no time yet to look at your latest .deb | 14:21 |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 14:21 | |
| jldiaz | but I'm looking at the video :-) | 14:21 |
| *** ynyr has joined #maemo | 14:22 | |
| lcuk | konttori, you have a black fronted 810 :O | 14:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wimax | 14:23 |
| konttori | Umm.. nope, it's standard frontend. It's just so bright in the room | 14:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :p | 14:23 |
| * lcuk spray paints his | 14:23 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | is this a preview of diablo too? :p | 14:23 |
| *** ynyr is now known as Oniano | 14:23 | |
| konttori | I do have a wimax *as well*, but that device on the video is my n810. Special version though (8gb internal card) | 14:24 |
| lcuk | dev model | 14:24 |
| Oniano | konttori: 8GB internal?! | 14:24 |
| konttori | Nope, it's not dev model. We just received surprise presents from the factory. | 14:24 |
| lcuk | you are going to bring lots of cool things to ltag | 14:25 |
| konttori | As you can imagine, Nokia is really good at tailoring products and they just thought they'll make us happy with a surprise. Well, we were! | 14:25 |
| lcuk | i bet :) | 14:26 |
| * lcuk goes to his shed | 14:26 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 packs bags for Helsinki to get a job :p | 14:26 | |
| * konttori published the wiicontrol blog: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ | 14:32 | |
| konttori | we are hiring at the moment, so if you are interested in a relocating to helsinki and in working with some seriously cool linux stuff, then you might want to contact the nokia guys at linuxtag. | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nice :), I don't have the knowledge yet and the extra numbers on my age! But I think it would be nice if I could program and I was old enough. | 14:36 |
| konttori | well, summer trainee positions *may* also come. Otoh, they may be a bit difficult for non-finnish people. | 14:39 |
| * konttori goes to have lunch | 14:40 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, my aptitude for languages is really bad, i can't speak my mother tongue ;/ | 14:40 |
| jldiaz | bon apetit! | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/;//:/ | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | enjoy | 14:40 |
| RST38h | konttori: Are you actually hiring people to do linux development? | 14:50 |
| *** playya_ has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| RST38h | .ÆÏÛÜØ ÊÛÅÅÛÉÜ | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Russian? | 14:57 |
| RST38h | yea, forgot to switch the register | 14:57 |
| mbuf | konttori, we are hiring; who is we? | 15:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Nokia | 15:01 |
| mbuf | ok | 15:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | probably the Linux/internet tablet division | 15:01 |
| mbuf | qwerty12_N800, ok | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'd like to work in rnd so I could steal the plans for retu (it goes in their phones too) :p | 15:03 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Employment at Nokia? Thanks, but no thanks. ;) Thinking about the german factory I'd rather choose an employer with better manners. | 15:03 |
| mbuf | but do Nokia take consultants, rather than direct employment | 15:04 |
| mbuf | ? | 15:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't think nokia would close down an Helsinki office... | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: You can get laid off by ANY employer | 15:05 |
| RST38h | Standard practice. And in the US, you will also get escorted off premises by security guys. | 15:06 |
| Mikho | there was a cultural aspect as well with the german factory | 15:06 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: But killing a whole factory after reaping a huge amound of subsidy (right word?), directly before you announce huuuge profits is - poor ;) | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: Corporation is no human being. Ethical considerations do not apply here. | 15:07 |
| Mikho | well, they're optimizing winnings. Just like everyone | 15:07 |
| mbuf | RST38h, very true; all corporations do that | 15:07 |
| *** tsavola has left #maemo | 15:08 | |
| Blafasel | RST38h: As soon as taxes are used to pay for these things I guess it's getting emotional. | 15:08 |
| Blafasel | "My money payed for X and X sucks/is wrong" is the attitude that usually arises. Not that I'm "OMG! Never buy Nokia devices again" or something, but I _am_ pissed off and still think that it's wrong/sad. | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Blafasel: Your taxes are probably used for a lot of weird stuff, from sex change surgeries to subsidies for Kosovar drug traders | 15:10 |
| RST38h | So, just write 'em off and think of something positive | 15:10 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: Proves for that? :) In this case I _know_ where it went. You are presenting chances, theories, assumptions or whatever. | 15:11 |
| Mikho | where did it go? | 15:11 |
| Blafasel | Mikho: Hm? | 15:11 |
| Mikho | sorry, just joined the conversation | 15:11 |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 15:12 | |
| Mikho | what are the taxes used for at the moment? | 15:12 |
| Blafasel | Mikho: Hm? I can name you some big projects nationally, some minor locally - but what are you trying to say/ask? | 15:13 |
| Mikho | you said the taxes are used to pay for "these things". What is these things? | 15:14 |
| *** b0unc3 has quit IRC | 15:14 | |
| Mikho | *are | 15:15 |
| Blafasel | Mikho: I was talking about the Nokia factory in Germany/Bochum - it received quite a lot of federal and state money | 15:15 |
| Mikho | from germany? | 15:15 |
| Blafasel | Yep | 15:15 |
| Mikho | oh | 15:16 |
| RST38h | Hasn't Nokia agreed to return the money though? | 15:16 |
| Blafasel | Standard stuff for huge plants - they create jobs and get money for that | 15:16 |
| *** b0unc3 has joined #maemo | 15:16 | |
| Blafasel | RST38h: Not that I know of - the last info that I had was that they don't want to pay the stuff back, but that's old news. I hope I didn't miss that? | 15:17 |
| RST38h | let me look it up | 15:18 |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 15:20 | |
| RST38h | No news of the payback, but at least I have found you someone to blaim :) | 15:20 |
| RST38h | s/blaim/blame/ | 15:21 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: No news of the payback, but at least I have found you someone to blame :) | 15:21 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. No, as far as I know they talk about a compromise: Nokia invests money in a foundation for Bochum and the state doesn't sue Nokia for about 60 mil. Euro. | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Ah | 15:21 |
| RST38h | THE ROMANIANS, Blafasel! You are losing it to Romanians. | 15:21 |
| Blafasel | So - better than I thought, yes ;) | 15:21 |
| Blafasel | RST38h: Well - no problem with that. I guess they'll reap some subsidy there as well for creating a new factory.. ;-p | 15:22 |
| *** BTobotras has quit IRC | 15:22 | |
| RST38h | Blafasel: Probably not | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Last time I checked, the place was the usual east-european hellhole. No GDP to speak about, poor citizens, low wages. | 15:23 |
| *** ImMelody has quit IRC | 15:23 | |
| RST38h | [notice the low wages part :)] | 15:23 |
| Blafasel | Sure | 15:23 |
| Blafasel | (Or maybe the US would be nice - paying in $ instead of Euro :) ) | 15:25 |
| *** matt_c has joined #maemo | 15:25 | |
| pupnik | the state shouldn't interfere with the economy | 15:27 |
| RST38h | not possible nowadays | 15:28 |
| RST38h | although you can minimize interference | 15:28 |
| pupnik | yes but to minimize, liberalism must be taught in schools etc | 15:30 |
| pupnik | orry for the offtopic | 15:30 |
| *** mbuf has joined #maemo | 15:31 | |
| RST38h | Periodic killing of every third civil servant will be more effective | 15:32 |
| pupnik | lol | 15:33 |
| RST38h | And yes, by all means, start with Department of Education... | 15:33 |
| pupnik | so why is german govt threatening to sue? | 15:33 |
| pupnik | :) | 15:33 |
| pupnik | they bribed VW a lot for a plant, then vw moved it away too, iirc | 15:34 |
| pupnik | but there was no breach of contract. just stupid policy decisions :) | 15:35 |
| *** BabelO has joined #maemo | 15:36 | |
| *** greentux_ has joined #maemo | 15:37 | |
| *** huats has joined #maemo | 15:41 | |
| *** huats_ has joined #maemo | 15:41 | |
| *** huats has quit IRC | 15:42 | |
| evaryont | Why would I want to 'tether' my cell phone to my n800? What does it mean when I do tether them together? I can already pair them, is there anything more? | 15:44 |
| lcuk | tethering works well with a nokia certified gimp mask | 15:45 |
| lcuk | tethering is just the term for using your mobile phone to get internet | 15:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/gimp mask/gimp suit | 15:45 |
| *** pH5 has quit IRC | 15:46 | |
| lcuk | sudo apt-get install lunch | 15:47 |
| *** benh has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| *** huats_ has quit IRC | 15:48 | |
| evaryont | lcuk: thanks a lot. Internet access via phone is useful. :) | 15:48 |
| *** TheNewAndy has joined #maemo | 15:54 | |
| *** Oniano has quit IRC | 16:04 | |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 16:05 | |
| *** gpd has joined #maemo | 16:08 | |
| gpd | Is it / might it be possible to ever plug a three.co.uk / other 3G broadband USB dongle into an N8x0 to get full on the go internet? | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Probably | 16:11 |
| gpd | good answer. | 16:11 |
| gpd | major bottle necks? driver + USB host mode + other? | 16:12 |
| TheNewAndy | I'd suspect that driver for the device would be a bottleneck (I think even on x86 linux they are a bit fiddly) | 16:13 |
| TheNewAndy | (though I've never used one) | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | whi | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ch model is the modem? | 16:13 |
| gpd | but a generic USB 3G modem with Linux support might work - then it would be a case of finding a provider that supported the card. | 16:13 |
| gpd | Huawei e220 USB Modem | 16:14 |
| gpd | ZTE MF622 USB Modem | 16:14 |
| gpd | both of those are mentioned on the site | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i made a qu | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i made a quick build of umtsmon which supports it | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i never tested however | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | check the zte thread on itt for some tools i ported | 16:15 |
| *** MangoFusion has joined #maemo | 16:15 | |
| lcuk | wouldnt it be easier if you used a mobile with 3g modem inside and connected via some sort of personal wireless networking interface | 16:16 |
| lcuk | i feel blue that i can't remember, its on the tip of my tongue | 16:16 |
| *** pH5 has joined #maemo | 16:16 | |
| gpd | lcuk: which phone would you suggest? | 16:16 |
| gpd | i was under the impression that using the phone as a modem was very costly with most providers (in the UK) | 16:17 |
| lcuk | i dunno, go into a phone shop and ask - i thought most business phones had impressive data plans and tethering capabilities | 16:17 |
| gpd | This three.co.uk dongle is much cheaper - hence the interest. but maybe you are right | 16:18 |
| lcuk | getting a dinky PAYG phone with basic funcionality would likely be the rip off | 16:18 |
| lcuk | have you checked to see if other 3 phones work | 16:18 |
| lcuk | after all, the 3 dongle is just a mobile phone without a screen or keypad | 16:18 |
| gpd | no - not done much as yet - cheating by asking in here and hoping kind people would have the answers without too many hours of research | 16:18 |
| lcuk | i use my 810 exclusively on wifi - i checked at first if my o2 ice would work with its built in 3g data modem but because its PAYG its all locked down | 16:19 |
| lcuk | im sure there is a way i could use it, but tbh i just cant be arsed i didnt get it for roaming | 16:19 |
| gpd | I have O2 Simplicity - but use an ancient phone and not sure whether now is the time to upgrade it. nothing out there is very exciting. | 16:20 |
| gpd | was away from wifi yesterday and got annoyed - couldn't face the btopenzone charge | 16:20 |
| lcuk | when you do go looking, take your nokia with you andask them to see it working with your device | 16:20 |
| RST38h | heh | 16:21 |
| gpd | last time i asked vodafone they said it was going to cost a fortune to use the phone to dialup - maybe that was PAYG | 16:21 |
| lcuk | no, they wanted you using the dialup internet | 16:21 |
| lcuk | thats not what the full 3g is | 16:21 |
| RST38h | $0.20/MB here, no contract required, no tethering charge | 16:21 |
| gpd | RST38h: which provider? | 16:22 |
| RST38h | MTS.RU :) | 16:22 |
| gpd | lcuk: any idea which Nokias are in the running to do this 'full 3G' of which you speak? does it have to be superfancy N95 etc? | 16:22 |
| lcuk | well i have cheapest most bog standard o2 phone, it is fully 3g and technically has all the hardware in it, but the software is locked down | 16:23 |
| gpd | also: anywhere other than expansys.com you would buy from - especially unlocked phones | 16:23 |
| lcuk | i think if i got the same thing on a contract it would work but as i say i didnt look too far | 16:23 |
| gpd | lcuk: simplicity is very good if you use more than £15 /mo in calls / texts | 16:24 |
| lcuk | i prefer to buy from the main dealer - i got my o2 phone from o2, i got my nokia from nokia.. | 16:24 |
| lcuk | i dont though - its rare i get through more than 10 | 16:24 |
| RST38h | actually, $0.18 | 16:25 |
| *** harry has quit IRC | 16:25 | |
| *** kcome has joined #maemo | 16:26 | |
| *** AStorm has joined #maemo | 16:26 | |
| gpd | any magic search terms I should use to find phones that will give full 3G via N800? | 16:26 |
| AStorm | all HSDPA will | 16:27 |
| AStorm | as long as they themselves get full 3G | 16:27 |
| RST38h | search for "hsdpa" | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Prefer phones that support DUN BT profile, too | 16:28 |
| gpd | great - thanks - will leave you all in peace and do my research | 16:28 |
| AStorm | pan is fastern and also works | 16:28 |
| AStorm | with an added driver | 16:28 |
| RST38h | yea, but it requires extra software | 16:28 |
| pH5 | but PAN with a group of tablets around a single phone is fun :) | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Umgh! | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Anybody knows what the "93 tv stations" post on ITT is all about? I tried these streams and non of them appear to work, at least on PC | 16:30 |
| *** ssvb has joined #maemo | 16:30 | |
| *** sxpert_ has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| *** NullM0dem has joined #maemo | 16:31 | |
| AStorm | this aep dsp is some sound processor | 16:32 |
| AStorm | boosts bass and adds crossover | 16:32 |
| gpd | Nokia E51 looks suitable - but still a bit expensive | 16:39 |
| Blafasel | What the hell is PAYG? | 16:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pay as u go | 16:40 |
| gpd | pay as you go | 16:40 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. Tried to read it as a mixup between pay and 3g, which didn't make sense for me. | 16:41 |
| *** atlas95 has joined #maemo | 16:41 | |
| Blafasel | I have unlimited (well, probably there are hidden limits that they just don't advertise) 3G access on my phone, but the signal sucks most of the time. I really need to switch to vodafone or something soon | 16:42 |
| *** skibur has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 16:44 | |
| RST38h | gpd: E51 case wears out in a matter of weeks | 16:44 |
| RST38h | starts developing spots for some reason | 16:45 |
| gpd | RST38h: other suggestions? | 16:45 |
| gpd | 6121? cheaper... :) | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Maybe... | 16:46 |
| *** skibur has quit IRC | 16:50 | |
| * RST38h uses E70 which kid of defeats the need for a tablet | 16:57 | |
| RST38h | s/kid/kind | 16:57 |
| jldiaz | anyone knows how to *permanently* get rid of the toolbar in osso-xterm? | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Use osso-xterm from svn | 16:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fiferboy and jott both have builds | 16:59 |
| jldiaz | there are no side effwcts? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | unless you pray to Satan every wednesday, it quits. | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | none at all afaik | 17:00 |
| jldiaz | issues with utf8 or whatever? (I'm spanish) | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You can switch the encoding | 17:01 |
| jldiaz | I'll give it a try. I suppose I can return to standard osso-xterm in case of trouble | 17:01 |
| *** skibur has joined #maemo | 17:01 | |
| jldiaz | anyway, there is no configuration file for xterm where storing the toolbar preferences? | 17:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's in gconf | 17:03 |
| jldiaz | ah, thx | 17:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | np, /apps/osso/xterm is where mine is | 17:04 |
| RST38h | btw. how do you return to the standard xterm? | 17:05 |
| *** atlas95 has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| *** vbatts has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | non svn , i.e stock build? | 17:06 |
| *** ralann has joined #maemo | 17:07 | |
| *** skibur has quit IRC | 17:08 | |
| * konttori published updated version of wiicontrol: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3997/wiicontrol-1.03_all.deb | 17:09 | |
| konttori | Only updated the install postinst script. | 17:09 |
| RST38h | qwerty: yep | 17:09 |
| konttori | And updated the blog to include the link as well: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3997/wiicontrol-1.03_all.deb | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's not in a repo so you would rebuild 0.14.mh3 from svn | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (mine is stock atm) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | ah | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | alternatively, I could tar up the files? | 17:11 |
| RST38h | it was an academic question but thanks :) | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 17:12 |
| kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/04/ogg-support-07-canola-interoperability/ | 17:17 |
| kulve | feel free to test and report all new issues to me | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cool :) | 17:17 |
| kulve | I'm not sure if the new LMS ogg package is already there. I suppose it is.. | 17:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Is there any ogg converters available on the tablet? | 17:19 |
| kulve | actually I didn't find the lightmediascanner0-ogg yet.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | qwerty12_N800: converters? like mp3->ogg? Not that I know of.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | shouldn't things like that be done on a more powerful computer.. | 17:20 |
| derf | Things like _that_ shouldn't be done. | 17:20 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 17:20 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah, thanks, i'm gonna try anyway :p | 17:20 |
| *** atlas95 has joined #maemo | 17:21 | |
| Veggen | kulve: hey, I compiled dcraw for my n810. which means that in a pinch, I could convert Nikon raw pictures (NEF) to jpeg. I actually envision having use for it some day, although not on a grand scale ;) | 17:21 |
| Veggen | (it took 100% of the CPU and all the RAM for around a minute or more, but it did produce a jpeg picture) | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it's already in repo's :/ | 17:23 |
| derf | Ah hah, found the file: http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/heehee.ogg | 17:23 |
| NullM0dem | the n810 is a workhorse :-) | 17:23 |
| *** mbuf has quit IRC | 17:27 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has quit IRC | 17:27 | |
| * lcuk gives NullM0dem's 810 a sugarbube | 17:27 | |
| lcuk | cube even ffs | 17:27 |
| *** GAN800 has joined #maemo | 17:28 | |
| *** lopz has joined #maemo | 17:29 | |
| *** TheNewAndy has quit IRC | 17:29 | |
| *** crashanddie has quit IRC | 17:29 | |
| jott | speaking of, i compiled "canon capture" for my n810 which works great - the n8x0 could make a really nice remote for powershot cameras with some extra gui foo | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | w00t, i'm finally getting with the times and getting 8gb sd. I'm gonna set up a proper dev environment (may even tar up parts of my sbox) | 17:31 |
| RST38h | on a tablet? =) | 17:32 |
| GAN800 | jott, what's it work with? 400D, perhaps? | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, yep, need some proper arm emulation | 17:33 |
| jott | GAN800: http://capture.sourceforge.net/ | 17:34 |
| jott | (it's an incomplete list - there are probably more models supported) | 17:34 |
| GAN800 | Unlikely to be DSLRs unfortunately, though. | 17:35 |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 17:36 | |
| lopz | hi | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi | 17:43 |
| jott | GAN800: if you like you can give it a try: http://sse2.net/capture/ needs the camera to be connected in host mode... | 17:43 |
| jott | GAN800: latest gphoto2 seems to support 400D | 17:48 |
| *** crashanddie has joined #maemo | 17:49 | |
| *** qwerty12_N800 has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| NullM0dem | lcuk: tanks for the cube :) | 17:53 |
| *** qwerty12 has joined #maemo | 17:53 | |
| NullM0dem | Anyone play with the dual core low power mini-itx boards? | 17:54 |
| NullM0dem | I have this vision of building a low power / portable workstation combining the n810 with a beefy mini-itx board | 17:55 |
| *** foka has joined #maemo | 17:56 | |
| *** vbatts has joined #maemo | 17:57 | |
| pupnik | jott: you see the news? dev packages of pandora now going out... http://zodttd.com/blog/zodttd/i_received_the_package_b-47_sid-217f2b15c73da4bcf943bb63b0316856.html#replies | 17:57 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah sounds really great. | 17:58 |
| Cptnodegard | gpe contacts is being gay | 17:58 |
| Cptnodegard | it doesnt want to import a normal vcard | 17:59 |
| jott | never thought they could maintain their deadline | 17:59 |
| Cptnodegard | anyone know why? | 17:59 |
| kuriiri | because it's gay | 17:59 |
| pupnik | well they are past initial optimistic deadline for the first run - but it's past the 'vaporware' stage | 17:59 |
| jott | indeed | 17:59 |
| NullM0dem | wow! the pandora looks awesome | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, make the vcard unnormal | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | looks fugly | 18:00 |
| jott | now we only need to get a device ;) | 18:00 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 18:00 |
| pupnik | yeah it'd be nice to get maemo/mamona on it | 18:00 |
| Cptnodegard | qwerty12: ? | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pissin around | 18:00 |
| pupnik | but right now they're not too maemo-friendly | 18:00 |
| NullM0dem | id be happy with console and FB | 18:01 |
| GAN800 | pupnik, sticking Debian + Hildon/Matchbox on there should be pretty easy. | 18:01 |
| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, | 18:02 |
| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, GPE is changing all of your male contacts to 'more than friends'? :P | 18:02 |
| pupnik | initial release will be a uni-task program launcher afaik | 18:02 |
| Cptnodegard | -___- | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | Go on Cptnodegard, the closet door is open :p | 18:03 |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 18:03 | |
| jott | pupnik: do you know if there are already "public" opengl es drivers? | 18:03 |
| GAN800 | pupnik what's the difference between the dev devices and the shipping ones? | 18:03 |
| Cptnodegard | does anyone have a clue why it fails to open a vcard that any other app including the build in contacts can open?= | 18:04 |
| jott | (which is actually the only thing that matters for this device ;-) | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | Cptnodegard, check the mailing list. | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | (stupid goddamn virtual keyboard) I think it's a UTF-8 parsing issue. | 18:04 |
| *** ralann|n810 has joined #maemo | 18:05 | |
| lcuk | NullM0dem, "id be happy with console and FB" for want of a blank canvas :) i am doing exactly that myself and learning a lot in the process | 18:05 |
| GAN800 | (maemo-users list if I recall correctly, thread from about a week ago) | 18:06 |
| *** tortoise_ has joined #maemo | 18:06 | |
| qwerty12 | You can already use console in FB on N800. I can't because I don't have a keyboard but I got getty running on vt 1 :) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, thats what i mean, i have them and am enjoying playing | 18:07 |
| * lcuk huggles his nokia some more | 18:07 | |
| qwerty12 | Nice :). I can't wait to get a usb keyboard and OTG adapter then I'm gonna use FB :) | 18:08 |
| *** tortoise_ has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| pupnik | GAN800: dev devices are for developers, assemble-yourself, test and give feedback. jott: no | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | I have it currently set to show me the syslog at bootup time. | 18:08 |
| *** ttmrichter has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** ttmrichter has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| jott | it would be great to see a pandora at linuxtag :) | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | If I come into a windfall, I'm gonna buy a Pandora and use my N800 for what it's marketed for - a internet tablet :) | 18:10 |
| *** lcuk is now known as lcuk_out | 18:11 | |
| Cptnodegard | updated but still fails to import | 18:11 |
| Cptnodegard | blargh | 18:11 |
| lcuk_out | cyas later | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | sfe | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | s/sfe/bye | 18:11 |
| Cptnodegard | any other good contact apps? | 18:11 |
| *** ttmrichter has quit IRC | 18:12 | |
| GAN800 | Pimlico | 18:13 |
| *** ttmrichter has joined #maemo | 18:14 | |
| *** Ikkakujyu has joined #maemo | 18:15 | |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, do you think gdebi would work on a N800? i've given up on synaptic. | 18:18 |
| *** ssvb has quit IRC | 18:19 | |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 18:26 | |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, just use apt. | 18:26 |
| GAN800 | or learn GTK so you can implement my badass Application manager mockups | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | GAN800, I use dpkg but it would be nice to not have to resort to console. I'm gonna try and compile it and force it use sudo to open a file. | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | This looked very promising: http://dkothari.blogspot.com/2006/12/synaptic-package-manager-for-maemo.html | 18:27 |
| * GAN800 pimps -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 | 18:29 | |
| jldiaz | hehe... I'm playing marble madness on n810, using the wiimote acelerometers as input | 18:29 |
| jldiaz | I hold the wiimote with the n810 on top with both hands | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | marble madness? :) | 18:29 |
| jldiaz | and I can control the ball by tilting the tablet | 18:30 |
| jldiaz | cooool! | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | I had that for Gameboy | 18:30 |
| GAN800 | Fun one | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | I had it on my phone :) | 18:30 |
| jldiaz | yes, marble madness, version for NES, through fceu | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | Ah :) | 18:30 |
| jldiaz | but can you play simply tiping the phone? | 18:30 |
| *** texel has joined #maemo | 18:30 | |
| jldiaz | I play without pressing any button or key! | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | W910 can, I have W810 where I can't | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | W910 comes with marble madness preinstalled | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | Wiimote + tablet is a fairly inspired combination. | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | with the tilt sensor working | 18:31 |
| jldiaz | oh, so this is not such a novel idea | 18:31 |
| jldiaz | cool anyway :-) | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:31 |
| jldiaz | I'm trying to think a cool application for n810 accelerometers, not game related, but I can't find one... | 18:32 |
| jldiaz | ops | 18:33 |
| jldiaz | n810 -> wiimote | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | mypaint would be sick with a wii controller | 18:33 |
| lcuk_out | you can make xchat wobble around and have all the IRC comments fall to the ground | 18:33 |
| jldiaz | yes, or shake the wiimote for banning a song in Vagalume... | 18:33 |
| jldiaz | but I was talking about useful applications :-) | 18:34 |
| jldiaz | such as carrying the wiimote in the car, as kind of "black box", recording the accelerations in the vehicle | 18:34 |
| lcuk_out | you could just do the usual and make light sabre noises - then when you are walking round town you get the effect by swinging your mote around | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | Be mildly interesting to use for racing | 18:34 |
| lcuk_out | jldiaz, thats a really really good idea actually | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | If, perhaps, not entirely sensitive enough. | 18:35 |
| lcuk_out | couple it with the gps and track the feel of certain roads | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | Take a look what the N95 community do with accelerometer. Lots of accelerometer programs are written in Python. | 18:35 |
| lcuk_out | do ya reckon if we shake our 810 hard enough the nokia hidden module will start working | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | There's a thread on ITT covering use in racing with GPS, acellerometers and such. | 18:36 |
| * lcuk_out holds out the barest hint of a chance of an easter egg | 18:36 | |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 18:36 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 18:36 | |
| *** lcuk_out is now known as lcuk | 18:36 | |
| * GAN800 smacks lcuk down. | 18:36 | |
| *** NetBlade has joined #maemo | 18:37 | |
| * lcuk runs back to his shed | 18:37 | |
| *** ttmrichter has quit IRC | 18:39 | |
| *** BTobotras has quit IRC | 18:44 | |
| *** avs has left #maemo | 18:46 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 18:48 | |
| konttori | pupnik: any progress on the snes emu? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | no sorry | 18:53 |
| konttori | I just tried the old one from your web page. | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Does it run any better under OS2008? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | new one loads a rom | 18:53 |
| konttori | It's pretty ok for rpg:s, but not fast enough for super mario bros | 18:53 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:53 |
| konttori | It's now really fun to use with the wiicontrol though. | 18:53 |
| konttori | so, that's a plus | 18:53 |
| pupnik | very cool. you have a post on ITT how to set up wii? | 18:54 |
| konttori | Just would be great to get a bit more omph to it | 18:54 |
| pupnik | new version will be either fullspeed or frameskip 1 | 18:54 |
| konttori | Well, yeah. ON: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html | 18:54 |
| pupnik | ty | 18:54 |
| konttori | there's a thread of it on: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=177831#post177831 | 18:55 |
| konttori | It does not by defult have config for snes. I'll add that today. | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Does it work any better that cwiid? | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | s/that/then | 18:55 |
| konttori | It works perfectly imho | 18:55 |
| konttori | no issues whatsoever. | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, I'll buy a wii controller soon :) | 18:55 |
| konttori | works on all sdl games as well | 18:55 |
| konttori | take a look at the blogpost. there's a video on it | 18:56 |
| pupnik | :) cool nice video | 18:56 |
| konttori | thanks. Had to do something quickly to show how wonderful it is. | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Probably a lot easier than cwiid too, cwiid needs modules inserting. But thanks to KotCzarny and jott, I use modprobe now. | 18:56 |
| pupnik | konttori: in the video you say you are working on 'multi-events?' | 18:58 |
| konttori | mouse events | 18:59 |
| pupnik | ok | 18:59 |
| konttori | To push the acceleration data as relative mouse movement | 18:59 |
| pupnik | ahh. interesting. | 18:59 |
| konttori | qwerty12: wiicontrol doesn't need anything else, but installing that deb (and python) and running the app | 18:59 |
| jldiaz | konttori, I was playing marble madness on fceu, moving the ball by tilting the tablet | 18:59 |
| konttori | then it asks you to press 1+2 on controller and that's it | 18:59 |
| konttori | jldiaz: really? Cool! | 19:00 |
| jldiaz | this would make another good demo video :-) | 19:00 |
| konttori | Indeed. | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | konttori, I know :). That's why I think this is better. | 19:00 |
| konttori | jldiaz: I have to try that one as well. Cool! | 19:00 |
| konttori | pupnik: if you have wiimote, I can send you a wiicontrol with snes configuration pre-made | 19:02 |
| jldiaz | you have to hold the wiimote below the tablet, obviusly | 19:02 |
| pupnik | don't have it. it would also be fun to allow two player games | 19:03 |
| konttori | pupnik: true | 19:03 |
| konttori | I've been thinking about that too. would be just great! | 19:03 |
| jldiaz | next step in coolness: recognize "wiimote gestures" | 19:04 |
| konttori | jldiaz: yeah. and the configuration dropdown and user editable controls. | 19:06 |
| jldiaz | such as "shake vertical" "shake horizontal" "rotate left" "rotate right" | 19:06 |
| jldiaz | i was thinking about the config files | 19:06 |
| Italodance | DAMN N800 COVER SKIN IS VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SHIT | 19:07 |
| jldiaz | one first trivial step would be storing these config files in python syntax | 19:07 |
| jldiaz | this way a simple import would parse them | 19:08 |
| jldiaz | or eval | 19:08 |
| solmumaha | head mount for the tablet would be nice | 19:08 |
| jldiaz | so you can show your mindmap? :) | 19:09 |
| solmumaha | to have both hands free | 19:11 |
| konttori | jldiaz: I agree that we could put those to the configs in python syntax. | 19:11 |
| *** Cptnodegard has quit IRC | 19:12 | |
| *** Cptnodegard has joined #maemo | 19:12 | |
| konttori | A bit of a problem comes on how to handle the rotation: If we want to use it for mouse / analog movement, the config file should support that by having some multiplier to movement. | 19:12 |
| konttori | So, let's start the config files with just the button support and then build on top of that maybe the GU': ["a w"], | 19:13 |
| konttori | 'GD': ["a s"], | 19:13 |
| konttori | 'GL': ["a a"], | 19:13 |
| konttori | 'GR': ["a d"] | 19:13 |
| konttori | For the current rotation-like keybutton events and some option to make the mouse events out of it. | 19:13 |
| konttori | e.g. quake and doom would appreciate mouse movements | 19:14 |
| inz | Italo, did the device slip out of the pouch and break? | 19:14 |
| Italodance | inz yes some crashes | 19:15 |
| Italodance | it is tiny but very important for me | 19:15 |
| Italodance | the pouch is very shit | 19:15 |
| Italodance | it is very sharp | 19:15 |
| Italodance | i hate this pouch | 19:16 |
| *** GAN800 has quit IRC | 19:16 | |
| Italodance | hi qwerty12 are u there? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 19:16 |
| Italodance | ur Rise of the triad. is full screen on n800? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Yes but it's buggy. I'm working on it atm | 19:17 |
| *** l7 has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| Italodance | is it the screenshot http://www.3drealms.com/rott/images/erott1.jpg? | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | That may be later on in the game, the port isn't finished yet. I got freezing reduced by 70% ; I just cant figure out the 30% | 19:18 |
| Italodance | oh tnx friend great job | 19:18 |
| Italodance | can u do for max payne? the source and code is the same... | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | max payne code doesn't exist. | 19:19 |
| Italodance | http://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html ? | 19:20 |
| Italodance | http://www.3drealms.com/max | 19:21 |
| Italodance | include the demos | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Tell me where the source is on that page. | 19:21 |
| solmumaha | qwerty12: just do it | 19:21 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 go to http://www.3drealms.com/max/ | 19:22 |
| solmumaha | i want it too | 19:22 |
| Italodance | i want with the demos / movies :D | 19:22 |
| *** Ikkakujyu has left #maemo | 19:22 | |
| qwerty12 | come on, I can't get Max Payne source out of my ass now? | 19:23 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 which codes/files do u want? | 19:24 |
| Italodance | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18347&highlight=max+payne | 19:25 |
| *** jnettlet has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| *** smackpotato has joined #maemo | 19:28 | |
| *** kkrusty has joined #maemo | 19:29 | |
| *** jiippana has joined #maemo | 19:33 | |
| *** atlas95 has quit IRC | 19:35 | |
| *** kkrusty has left #maemo | 19:37 | |
| *** jiippana has quit IRC | 19:37 | |
| *** legind has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| *** kcome has quit IRC | 19:42 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 19:46 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 19:57 | |
| jldiaz | konttori, what kind of mouse support are you thinking of? Do you mean enabling IR support? | 19:57 |
| jldiaz | or moving the mouse pointer by tilting the wiimote (GU, GD, ... events) | 19:57 |
| *** johnx has quit IRC | 19:57 | |
| jldiaz | using relative mouse positions | 19:57 |
| konttori | tilting based to produce the relative movement | 19:58 |
| *** johnx has joined #maemo | 19:58 | |
| konttori | I think that's one good solution. | 19:58 |
| jldiaz | I find it a little tricky to control | 19:58 |
| konttori | Yeah, it might not work out at all. I was only thinking about that to the quake like games | 19:59 |
| jldiaz | Another idea: using the accelerometers to compute the inclination angle of the wiimote | 19:59 |
| jldiaz | and set the mouse multiplier proportional to this | 19:59 |
| konttori | yeah. that's one solution | 19:59 |
| konttori | and what I was actually meaning by the mouse support | 20:00 |
| jldiaz | this way, steeper angles leads to faster mouse movements | 20:00 |
| konttori | so that it is 'analog', | 20:00 |
| konttori | yeah | 20:00 |
| konttori | otoh: may be that there is no mouse use beyond the fps games | 20:01 |
| glass | fps games span a lot | 20:04 |
| glass | a good analog controller, be it mouse or good stick, always makes more kind of games possible | 20:04 |
| konttori | New version with snes key bindings: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, thanks | 20:05 |
| konttori | umm.. well, link there at the bottom of the page | 20:05 |
| *** giskard has quit IRC | 20:07 | |
| *** l7 has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| konttori | pupnik: idi you get the drpocketsnes running? | 20:08 |
| *** Synchronicity has joined #maemo | 20:08 | |
| *** Crfrodf has joined #maemo | 20:11 | |
| NullM0dem | does anyone use GemRB? I am wondering how well it works | 20:11 |
| NullM0dem | GemRB allows baldurs gate and icewind dale to run on a n810 | 20:12 |
| konttori | really? sounds cool! | 20:13 |
| *** evaryont_ has joined #maemo | 20:13 | |
| konttori | Try it with wiicontrol! | 20:13 |
| *** qwerty12 has quit IRC | 20:14 | |
| *** evaryont has quit IRC | 20:14 | |
| gpd | just installed gnumeric on N800/chinook - quite nice - now tempted by Abiword - any word on that - seems to be a little way off due to upstream bugs - is that right? | 20:15 |
| NullM0dem | konttori RPG scrollers on my n810 with Wiicontrol would be sick! | 20:16 |
| NullM0dem | gpd: I just installed gnumeric as well, though i dont know much about abiword. It wouldbe a nice addition to have | 20:17 |
| solmumaha | konttori: tried duke3d with it? | 20:17 |
| Navi | I installed abiword a month or so back | 20:17 |
| Navi | It didn't recognize different file formats properly | 20:17 |
| Navi | so you could only open abw files | 20:18 |
| NullM0dem | i would write in abw then export on a desktop | 20:18 |
| gpd | what about another RTF editor? anything come to mind? | 20:19 |
| *** zakm has joined #maemo | 20:19 | |
| zakm | what was that quick way to get rid of the metalayer-crawler? on 2007HE ? | 20:20 |
| gpd | zim - seems dead | 20:22 |
| lcuk | NullM0dem, konttori ping pupnik, you are right up his alley | 20:23 |
| gpd | http://www.pardus.nl/projects/zim/ <-- not dead | 20:23 |
| RST38h | gpd: Google Docs | 20:26 |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 20:26 | |
| gpd | heh - good point - jest need to get google gears on N800 and for it to work with docs! | 20:27 |
| konttori | solmumaha: nope | 20:27 |
| konttori | where's that? | 20:27 |
| RST38h | gpd: You can simply use their web site version | 20:27 |
| konttori | zakm: I think you need to rename the binary. | 20:27 |
| konttori | so that it won't get triggered | 20:28 |
| gpd | [still researching HSDPA phones - mixed messages about Nokia 6120 - any tips on top phones for use with n800 appreciated] | 20:28 |
| *** Crfrod has quit IRC | 20:29 | |
| gpd | RST38h: more info on that would be helpful - not heard of it... rock, under, moi? | 20:29 |
| gpd | RST38h: do you mean that you can download and run a version of google docs on your own site? or just use the online version and get over being offline... ever ;) | 20:30 |
| NullM0dem | lcuk: up what alley?? | 20:30 |
| *** eichi has quit IRC | 20:34 | |
| zakm | does google gears work on 2007HE ? | 20:35 |
| *** giskard has joined #maemo | 20:36 | |
| *** texel has quit IRC | 20:38 | |
| gpd | Does anyone here use O2 simplicity and understand their 1 pound per day browsing allowance - how does this work with the 3G over bluetooth to N800 for example? | 20:39 |
| *** mazzen has joined #maemo | 20:40 | |
| *** blkno1 has quit IRC | 20:43 | |
| *** atlas95 has joined #maemo | 20:43 | |
| *** zakm has quit IRC | 20:44 | |
| RST38h | gpd:you can use google docs as google intended it - via their sitre | 20:50 |
| RST38h | site | 20:50 |
| gpd | ok RST38h thanks. | 20:50 |
| gpd | Looks like O2 Simplicity 'UK Browsing up to Â1GBP per day' means that you pay only 1 pound and then after that you can browse at will up to their reasonable usage allowance... tasty | 20:52 |
| evaryont_ | hm, has anyone been able to tether their n8x0 to a Kajeet phone? :/ | 20:52 |
| RST38h | 30 pounds/month = $60 | 20:52 |
| gpd | RST38h: true - but if i only use it a few days a month then it might be useful / cheap. i am normally near wifi or broadband. | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Of course if their allowance comes down to a few gigabytes a month, then it may be worth it | 20:53 |
| *** ralann|n810 has quit IRC | 20:54 | |
| RST38h | gpd: Do you click on some form to get access or how does buying it for a day work? | 20:54 |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 20:54 | |
| gpd | well - you only pay for the data when you use it- this is a voice / text plan that has this as an option | 20:55 |
| RST38h | so if you used data as much as a few seconds a day, you get chargaed $2? | 20:55 |
| gpd | normally i pay nothing unless i am above 200 minutes or 200 texts per month - but if i use data then it is 'up to 1 pound' per day - ie once you go above that you get free access for the day :) | 20:56 |
| RST38h | ah! | 20:56 |
| gpd | no - you get a prorated charge up to 1 pound at some crazy ratge | 20:56 |
| RST38h | no, this actually sounds reasonable | 20:56 |
| gpd | so all i need now is a bluetooth phone which i can tether to the n800 and i am away | 20:56 |
| gpd | 'tethering' is still a mystery - must do some more research | 20:57 |
| RST38h | actually it is dead simple | 20:57 |
| RST38h | as long as you have a Nokia phone, gets a bit more complicated with non-nokias | 20:57 |
| RST38h | it is probably exactly the same with a UIQ-based Sony Ericsson though | 20:58 |
| gpd | ok - great - looking at Nokia phones - tempted by N95 - but too poor ;) | 20:58 |
| RST38h | N95 is a brick anyway | 20:58 |
| term-sig | what about three mobile broadband? | 20:58 |
| *** Zic has quit IRC | 20:58 | |
| gpd | term-sig: that is where i came in ... was contemplating trying to get the 3 USB dongle to attach to the N800 - but sounds complex | 20:59 |
| gpd | http://www.alexwrege.com/index.php/internet/how-to-connect-a-nokia-n800-to-cingular-wireless-internet/ <-- for the logs a howto | 21:00 |
| term-sig | gpd: are uk from uk? | 21:00 |
| jaska | yeah, need bt pan to work with my htc4350 :) | 21:00 |
| gpd | term-sig: yes and yes | 21:00 |
| term-sig | ups, uk/you.. | 21:01 |
| term-sig | and what provider u using for internet on your n8x0 ? | 21:01 |
| gpd | term-sig: currently I am on O2 simplicity - but have not used it to connect via N800 as yet - | 21:02 |
| gpd | term-sig: you? | 21:02 |
| evaryont_ | can anyone access the mobile google sites? | 21:02 |
| gpd | ok - looks like I need to find the O2 packet data settings for the connecitvity manager... | 21:03 |
| term-sig | gpd: i`m looking for something nice, on begin i was thinking about "three" but next i heard that this usb dongle doesnt have sim card.. | 21:04 |
| term-sig | and it will be quite hard to connect my n810 to it.. | 21:04 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 21:04 | |
| gpd | three has also got poor signal in some areas | 21:04 |
| *** BTobotras has joined #maemo | 21:04 | |
| term-sig | what about that simplicity? 1 quid for day right? any limits or something like thaht.. | 21:06 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| *** seraph1 has joined #maemo | 21:07 | |
| gpd | £3 per MB up to a maximum of £1 per day (00:00am to 23:59pm). Once you have reached your maximum daily charge of £1, O2 Web Daily allows you unlimited use of O2 UK‘s Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. | 21:09 |
| *** shackan has joined #maemo | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | gpd: 3 pounds per megabyte? | 21:09 |
| czr | so you're only allowed to transfer 333 KiB, right? ;-) | 21:09 |
| gpd | up to maximum of 1 pound in one day | 21:09 |
| RST38h | heh | 21:10 |
| *** seraph1 has quit IRC | 21:10 | |
| gpd | no maximum per day specified - but some terms on usage | 21:10 |
| RST38h | still, that is the highest per-MB rate I have ever heard about | 21:11 |
| RST38h | maybe if you use satellite phones it comes down to higher amounts, but $6 for 1MB of cellular data?!? | 21:11 |
| gpd | agreed - you would have to use it wisely - ie. lots on a few days a month | 21:13 |
| term-sig | gpd: http://threestore.three.co.uk/dealsummary.aspx?offercode=18MB3GD016 it's looking like u can buy it and next put sim card to u phone.. | 21:15 |
| term-sig | and it's only 15 quid for 3gb allowance.. | 21:16 |
| Cptnodegard | holy crap thats cheap | 21:16 |
| RST38h | $60 for 3GB is cheap? | 21:17 |
| kaatis | i'm paying 9.80e for 256 kb/s unlimited :) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | wired or wireless? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Actually, 15 quid is $30, right? THAT is cheap. | 21:19 |
| czr | you can get wireless 3g usb dongles here for that price (starting price) | 21:19 |
| glass | wireless i suppose | 21:19 |
| glass | i pay 9.90 for 384kbit/s | 21:19 |
| czr | but 256 kbps is just painful | 21:19 |
| glass | well, the corp pays but anyhow | 21:19 |
| glass | crz: awful perhaps, but always with you.. | 21:19 |
| term-sig | it's quite cheap and i dont saw anything better. | 21:20 |
| * RST38h is still waiting for 3g | 21:20 | |
| *** booiiing_ has joined #maemo | 21:20 | |
| gpd | anyone on Vodafone UK PAYG and know the situation with Data on that?my gf has it and i'd like to test the testhering | 21:20 |
| czr | glass, no I meant that 256 for a 3G is just painful ;-) | 21:20 |
| czr | I'm all for mobility. | 21:21 |
| glass | heh, yeh it's a bit pointless limit point | 21:21 |
| glass | with a little higher i'd get hsdpa | 21:21 |
| glass | or perhaps i'm getting it now | 21:22 |
| kaatis | RST38h, wireless | 21:22 |
| *** atlas95 has quit IRC | 21:22 | |
| glass | the biggest shit with this connection is just that it's natted | 21:22 |
| glass | of course pings are too high for action games too | 21:22 |
| gpd | don't suppose there is a page somewhere with settings for all providers and how to tether to N8x0? wishful thinking.. | 21:22 |
| *** iomari has joined #maemo | 21:23 | |
| *** setanta has joined #maemo | 21:23 | |
| Cptnodegard | usb modems work with the ITs? | 21:23 |
| iomari | anyone out there? | 21:23 |
| czr | gpd, that's easy, just find the web page with the "all providers" list first ;-) | 21:23 |
| gpd | czr: thanks ;) | 21:23 |
| iomari | can someone tell me if it's possible to run apache on the n810? | 21:23 |
| johnx | Cptnodegard, if it takes less than 100mA and has open source linux drivers, then probably | 21:23 |
| johnx | iomari, yes, but it will take up a good chunk of memory. do you plan to run apache and use the tablet at the same time? | 21:24 |
| johnx | maybe lighthttpd would work better for you... | 21:24 |
| NullM0dem | does lighttpd have a port? | 21:24 |
| gpd | http://www.filesaveas.com/vodafone.html <-- this site seems to have lots of data for setting up tethering - will try | 21:25 |
| *** alex-weej_ has joined #maemo | 21:25 | |
| Proteous | howardforums.com has a lot of stuff | 21:26 |
| *** alex-weej has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| Proteous | about cell phones that is | 21:26 |
| Proteous | along with teathering info and such | 21:26 |
| gpd | http://www.filesaveas.com/wap.html#settings <-- better | 21:26 |
| Proteous | :) | 21:27 |
| Proteous | whatever works | 21:27 |
| gpd | Proteous: sorry - i meant better than my previous link - not yours --- looking now | 21:27 |
| Proteous | heh | 21:27 |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 21:29 | |
| *** ralann|n810 has joined #maemo | 21:31 | |
| *** booiiing has quit IRC | 21:34 | |
| *** blkno1 has joined #maemo | 21:36 | |
| *** alex-weej_ has quit IRC | 21:39 | |
| *** unique311 has joined #maemo | 21:39 | |
| AStorm | hello | 21:40 |
| AStorm | could someone build pulseaudio with esound support and vs speex integer lib? | 21:40 |
| AStorm | (for the resampler) | 21:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: btw, what have I asked you yesterday to build?,forgot to install | 21:43 |
| AStorm | ah, alsa-utils | 21:44 |
| AStorm | I found out it isn't esd that's making the sound balance adjustments | 21:47 |
| AStorm | it's the aep dsp process | 21:47 |
| AStorm | seems to do psychoacoustic volume adjustment and some form of crossover | 21:47 |
| AStorm | you can disable it in the dsp config file to save a bit of cpu power and have normal sound | 21:48 |
| AStorm | who will wikiize what I said? :P | 21:48 |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 21:49 | |
| gpd | meh - can't get it to work with Vodafone - thether to N800 :( | 21:49 |
| AStorm | check if your plan allows tethering | 21:50 |
| *** lele has joined #maemo | 21:52 | |
| gpd | anywhere you would suggest to check - is 'tether' the technical term for this - would it be on vodafone site? | 21:52 |
| elb | it's probably listed as a 'laptop data' or 'pda data' plan | 21:53 |
| *** blkno1 has quit IRC | 21:54 | |
| AStorm | noes | 21:55 |
| AStorm | it's NOT aep itself, darn | 21:55 |
| AStorm | wait | 21:55 |
| *** doc|home has joined #maemo | 21:56 | |
| *** andre___ has joined #maemo | 21:57 | |
| AStorm | yes, it's aep... clearly | 21:57 |
| AStorm | :) | 21:58 |
| *** rsalveti has quit IRC | 21:58 | |
| *** kad has quit IRC | 21:59 | |
| *** AStorm has quit IRC | 22:01 | |
| *** Masca has joined #maemo | 22:01 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 22:04 | |
| *** AStorm has joined #maemo | 22:04 | |
| *** mazzen has quit IRC | 22:07 | |
| *** jeddy3 has quit IRC | 22:09 | |
| *** Elive_user98 has joined #maemo | 22:11 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 22:12 | |
| *** Elive_user98 is now known as zakm | 22:12 | |
| zakm | does 2008HE take more battery life than 2007HE? | 22:12 |
| *** evaryont has joined #maemo | 22:13 | |
| *** zpol has joined #maemo | 22:15 | |
| *** zakm has quit IRC | 22:16 | |
| *** p| has quit IRC | 22:17 | |
| gpd | crap - I can access website from the phone - but cannot go via N800 - all I get is 'subscribe to packet data first' - must not allow tethering on this plan - despite not mentioning anything about it on their terms and conditions. :( | 22:18 |
| AStorm | gpd: because they don't, they can do what they want | 22:20 |
| *** atlas95 has joined #maemo | 22:20 | |
| AStorm | so, you got rickrollede | 22:20 |
| *** evaryont1 has joined #maemo | 22:21 | |
| *** evaryont has quit IRC | 22:21 | |
| *** eichi has joined #maemo | 22:21 | |
| gpd | well - that plan is my GF's so I need to try out the same on my plan - (02 simplicity) but not an unlocked phone and no bluetooth on my phone ... so crapper | 22:22 |
| *** Synchronicity has quit IRC | 22:24 | |
| *** evaryont_ has quit IRC | 22:24 | |
| *** kad has joined #maemo | 22:25 | |
| *** flo_lap has joined #maemo | 22:28 | |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 22:29 | |
| *** unique311 has quit IRC | 22:29 | |
| *** GAN800 has joined #maemo | 22:33 | |
| *** lopz has quit IRC | 22:34 | |
| *** alex-weej has joined #maemo | 22:36 | |
| *** GAN800 has left #maemo | 22:37 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 22:37 | |
| pupnik | One man writes Linux drivers for 235 USB webcams heh | 22:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams | 22:38 |
| flatface | I have a couple of cameras that use those drivers. Old news is old, though. | 22:40 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 22:42 | |
| *** skibur has joined #maemo | 22:45 | |
| Navi | the inquirer sucks as a news source too :P | 22:48 |
| *** flo_lap has quit IRC | 22:48 | |
| *** tortoise_ has joined #maemo | 22:49 | |
| *** flo_lap has joined #maemo | 22:49 | |
| *** skibur has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** tortoise_ has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** eton has quit IRC | 22:52 | |
| *** eton has joined #maemo | 22:53 | |
| *** p| has joined #maemo | 22:54 | |
| *** evaryont has joined #maemo | 22:55 | |
| *** doc|home has quit IRC | 22:56 | |
| *** konttori has quit IRC | 22:58 | |
| *** doc|home has joined #maemo | 22:59 | |
| pupnik | wb doc|home | 23:05 |
| doc|home | thanks pupnik | 23:06 |
| pupnik | crap the berlin conference center is huge | 23:11 |
| pupnik | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=LIETZENBURGER+STRASSE+85+berlin&sll=50.420399,8.611588&sspn=0.838239,1.082153&ie=UTF8&ll=52.502874,13.293071&spn=0.048224,0.107288&t=h&z=14&iwloc=addr | 23:11 |
| *** boolean has quit IRC | 23:15 | |
| *** Italodance has quit IRC | 23:16 | |
| *** Masca has quit IRC | 23:17 | |
| *** zpol is now known as lopz | 23:17 | |
| *** Masca has joined #maemo | 23:18 | |
| gpd | could someone give me a URL for where youwould buy a phone in the USA - outside of the manufactuer - eg. what is the price of a nokia e51 in america... stupid google wants to give me UK prices :( | 23:19 |
| gpd | ok - nvm - newegg.com has them | 23:20 |
| *** evaryont1 has quit IRC | 23:20 | |
| KotCzarny | astorm: cool, what's the location of that dsp config? can it be changed on-the-fly ? (/me thinks about cheap eq) | 23:21 |
| *** DaniloCesar has joined #maemo | 23:22 | |
| *** atlas95 has quit IRC | 23:22 | |
| AStorm | can't be | 23:23 |
| AStorm | /lib/dsp/dsp_dld*.conf | 23:24 |
| AStorm | the effect is fairly mild tthough | 23:24 |
| AStorm | the crossfeed is most noticeable | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. config in /lib | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | those hackers :/ | 23:25 |
| AStorm | :P | 23:25 |
| AStorm | I want a disassembler | 23:25 |
| RST38h | gpd: $250..$400 | 23:25 |
| RST38h | gpd: you should be able to change localization in google account settings | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: any links for aep? | 23:26 |
| AStorm | huh? no | 23:26 |
| AStorm | it's at the bottom of the config | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | how it is used? | 23:26 |
| AStorm | dunno | 23:26 |
| AStorm | it affects the sound though | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | so it's not user controllable? | 23:26 |
| AStorm | yes, isn't | 23:27 |
| AStorm | apart from disabling | 23:27 |
| AStorm | unless you get me a dsp disassembler | 23:27 |
| *** evaryont_ has joined #maemo | 23:28 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has quit IRC | 23:28 | |
| *** DaniloCesar has joined #maemo | 23:29 | |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 23:29 | |
| KotCzarny | or porting some soft eq for dsp | 23:30 |
| *** shackan has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| *** konttori has joined #maemo | 23:32 | |
| *** bradd has joined #maemo | 23:32 | |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: shouldn't be hard | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | because c compiler for dsp is available | 23:34 |
| AStorm | I could port fftw-based eq, but I need a disasm first :P | 23:34 |
| AStorm | and paid time :P | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ok, i should take $$ for compiling packages from now on :P | 23:35 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 23:35 | |
| Proteous | I'll give you $0.50 | 23:36 |
| konttori | jldiaz: let's take a look at also the nunchuc next week. | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | per package? ok :) | 23:37 |
| AStorm | naaah | 23:39 |
| shapr | yarr | 23:39 |
| AStorm | per hour | 23:39 |
| AStorm | of work time | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's 25$/h | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| AStorm | no, I sail 0.5$/h | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4485 | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:40 |
| AStorm | said | 23:40 |
| *** evaryont has quit IRC | 23:41 | |
| *** orakle has joined #maemo | 23:47 | |
| *** doc|home has quit IRC | 23:50 | |
| *** k-s[AWAY] has quit IRC | 23:53 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 23:54 | |
| *** juergbi has quit IRC | 23:54 | |
| NullM0dem | back in the day spies would hide data on leftover romspace in atari cartirdges :) | 23:55 |
| NullM0dem | nothng new | 23:55 |
| *** netx has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| NullM0dem | i do often wonder what china puts in consumer grade router hardware | 23:57 |
| NullM0dem | :P | 23:58 |
| *** NullM0dem has quit IRC | 23:58 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
