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| konttori | JasonWoof: you need to setup the desktop file and run : | 00:02 |
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| konttori | os.environ["SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS"]="yourappexecutablenamehere" | 00:02 |
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| JasonWoof | konttori: that makes it so I can run the sdl app on my laptop, using the tablet as display? | 00:11 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:12 |
| JasonWoof | konttori: sorry, brain malfunction. | 00:12 |
| konttori | That just allows you to get the window to the window list. | 00:12 |
| flo_lap | hi lardman | 00:12 |
| konttori | Might be that you also need to do a bit more. | 00:12 |
| lardman | hi flo_lap | 00:12 |
| JasonWoof | so if I set the window title it should be ok? | 00:12 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: actually you need to set that particular env var (SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS) and make a proper desktop file | 00:14 |
| jott | JasonWoof: see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/ Application name (for the Task Navigator) | 00:15 |
| JasonWoof | ahh, I was about to ask for a tutorial. | 00:15 |
| JasonWoof | thanks | 00:15 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I'd appreciate your thoughts on mu framebuffer issues, and my not-so-good conversion code | 00:16 |
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| jott | hmm actually the tutorial is a bit misleading as the StartupWMClass is not set to the same value as the env var ;) | 00:17 |
| jott | just be sure to follow the StartupWMClass == SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS | 00:17 |
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| JasonWoof | can I just put this in main(): putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | Maemo developers: OMAP3530 'Pandora' dev units obtainable real soon now. http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=41837 | 00:30 |
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| flo_lap | sounds pretty cool | 00:33 |
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| JasonWoof | jott: I can't get the wmclass stuff to work. I tried exporting it in the terminal, before running my program, and sticking the putenv() line in my program, at the begining, and after sdl_init() | 00:34 |
| jott | JasonWoof: important part is the .desktop file | 00:34 |
| JasonWoof | do I have to have one? | 00:35 |
| JasonWoof | it's just a stand-alone binary | 00:35 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: yes, the hildon borkness reads the desktop files and matches the startupwmclass against the wmclass of the launched applications | 00:37 |
| pupnik | Looks like Qt for embedded may be moving faster than Hildon atm. | 00:37 |
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| jott | "code less, create more" is true after all :) | 00:38 |
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| JasonWoof | grrr... ok, where do I put this .desktop file? | 00:38 |
| pupnik | some maemo.org documentation reading is in order JasonWoof | 00:38 |
| JasonWoof | yes | 00:39 |
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| JasonWoof | I'm having a hard time dealing with this... the WM just ignores windows that aren't custom built for the tablet? | 00:39 |
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| JasonWoof | it allows them to open, but then won't allow you to bring them to the front? | 00:40 |
| JasonWoof | who's idea was this? | 00:40 |
| jott | JasonWoof: more or less, yes | 00:40 |
| lardman | JasonWoof: No, I think that's just SDL windows, normal X windows appear ok | 00:40 |
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| JasonWoof | lardman: ok, that I can deal with... maybe | 00:40 |
| JasonWoof | will it behave fullscreen? | 00:40 |
| pupnik | ITOS is not designed for multiple windows layered over each other and sliding around | 00:40 |
| JasonWoof | pupnik: that's one of the things I like about it | 00:41 |
| lardman | though in the first releases they used to disappear (into the bg, never to be brought back again), which was rather annoying | 00:41 |
| JasonWoof | I hate layered windows | 00:41 |
| jott | JasonWoof: yes, and you have to create a .desktop file anyway to make it accessible from the menus :) | 00:41 |
| JasonWoof | buggrall | 00:41 |
| JasonWoof | I want to run it from the terminal so I can see the debugging output | 00:41 |
| pupnik | btw what are you working on that uses sdl JasonWoof ? | 00:41 |
| JasonWoof | a little fractal renderer thing | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | i run sdl apps from cmd line without .desktop file | 00:42 |
| lardman | JasonWoof: well do so in the first instance, and kill it if it goes to the bg | 00:42 |
| pupnik | but yes, if they go into background, you can't not bring them to front iirc | 00:42 |
| JasonWoof | to be specific: http://jasonwoof.org/jason_s_koch_like_fractals | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: kciconsbox | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:43 |
| jott | pupnik: sure this works (i also run most apps from terminal), but if you deploy them you have to create a desktop file for usability sakes ;) | 00:43 |
| lardman | pupnik: Is that some issue with SDL apps? | 00:43 |
| lardman | jott: yes | 00:43 |
| JasonWoof | lardman: that's what I've been doing. kinda lame though | 00:43 |
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| jott | you can also do "matchnox-remote -next" until you find your window ..heh | 00:43 |
| jott | matchbox-remote | 00:43 |
| pupnik | ty jott | 00:43 |
| lardman | cool | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | jott: kciconxbox :> | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | erm. kciconsbox | 00:44 |
| pupnik | never heard of it KotCzarny | 00:44 |
| jott | KotCzarny: matchbox-remote is fine ;) | 00:44 |
| JasonWoof | jott: sweet | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i have told you about it few times | 00:44 |
| pupnik | oh don't remember then :) | 00:44 |
| lcuk | pupnik, its kots app lister which lists and allows bringing back any app (i believe) | 00:44 |
| lcuk | evening chaps) | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 00:44 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 00:44 |
| * lcuk is dying | 00:44 | |
| JasonWoof | well, sure, if I make a .deb to release this thing, I'd surely have to make a .desktop file. I'm just suprised the interface breaks without it. | 00:45 |
| lcuk | netcraft confirmed it | 00:45 |
| pupnik | that's bad | 00:45 |
| * KotCzarny is quite well | 00:45 | |
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| lcuk | i have been snoozing since i got back earlier - its highly unlike me | 00:45 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: ah good ol'e koch .. has some nice properties | 00:45 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, did i describe it right? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: quite | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| JasonWoof | jott: yeah, I had fun with it. Instead of replacing each segment with the usual witch-hat shape, I made it so you can click out whatever shape you like | 00:46 |
| lcuk | thats a bonus then | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
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| JasonWoof | jott: add in a cool trick to go below the level of pixels, and it looks damn cool | 00:47 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: actually it's more of an l-system then ;) | 00:49 |
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| jott | but yeah with general l-systems you can do pretty neat things | 00:49 |
| JasonWoof | jott: I really don't know the theory or terminology. | 00:50 |
| jott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-system | 00:50 |
| lcuk | l-systems == koch snowflakes? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | ahh yes | 00:50 |
| jott | lcuk: not really | 00:50 |
| jott | lcuk: you can encode a koch curve with an l-system though ;) | 00:52 |
| JasonWoof | I like watching the shape morph realtime as you drag the points around | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | JasonWoof, you can do that with IFS as well | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | speaking of which - would fractint port to the 810? or is it too entrenched in x86 to work well | 00:55 |
| jott | there is a xaos port afair | 00:56 |
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| pupnik | i built xaos but it had rendering errors | 01:01 |
| pupnik | is there a fixed one? | 01:01 |
| pupnik | @ jott | 01:01 |
| jott | i guess it was yours then .. | 01:01 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: you can create quite nice pictures with your xkoch :) | 01:02 |
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| JasonWoof | jott: thanks :) | 01:04 |
| jott | JasonWoof: you should also allow hue values (or something else) for coloring | 01:04 |
| JasonWoof | jott: how? like each segment is a different color? | 01:05 |
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| JasonWoof | or just cycle though some kind of gradient/palette instead of just black->white | 01:06 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: yes something like this | 01:06 |
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| JasonWoof | oh, another way to do color would be to shift colors slowly as it draws from start to finish | 01:06 |
| JasonWoof | I should try that | 01:07 |
| JasonWoof | trouble is... how fash should it shift through them | 01:07 |
| JasonWoof | I have no idea how long the thing is until I'm done | 01:07 |
| jott | JasonWoof: hehe computing the length of those curves is a funny thing | 01:08 |
| jott | but you could maybe lerp the segments | 01:08 |
| nomis | are the maemo mirrors dead again? | 01:08 |
| lardman | JasonWoof: Do a gradient which is related to the absolute screen position | 01:09 |
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| lardman | rather than the length of the line drawn on the screen | 01:10 |
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| JasonWoof | I'm more interested in doing things that you couldn't juts do with the gimp after | 01:11 |
| lardman | well it will look nice and be computationally (reasonably) trivial | 01:11 |
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| jott | hm lerp should also be quite easy to implement (i.e. lerp segments on each iteration) | 01:14 |
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| JasonWoof | jott: oh, I forgot to ask... what's lerp? | 01:15 |
| jott | linear interpolation | 01:15 |
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| JasonWoof | jott: interpolate through a color pallete? | 01:18 |
| jott | basically, yes. | 01:18 |
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| JasonWoof | I really like that idea | 01:18 |
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| JasonWoof | I imagine with the simpler shapes, it could show more clearly how they are made, and for the more chaotic/blobby ones it might make the blobby parts coherent/interesting | 01:19 |
| JasonWoof | just requires me to tripple the size of my biggest buffer | 01:20 |
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| JasonWoof | lets see... 800*480*4*3 = 4608000 | 01:22 |
| JasonWoof | eesh, that's 4.5MB | 01:22 |
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| jott | JasonWoof: when compiling for the n8x0 you should use CFLAGS like -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s and maybe also -ffast-math to make use of the vfp for your float operations | 01:25 |
| jott | or go for fixed point arithmetic ;) | 01:26 |
| lardman | fixed point is probably better | 01:27 |
| JasonWoof | no floating point hardware on the n810? | 01:27 |
| lardman | tremor is faster/less intensive than vorbis for example | 01:27 |
| JasonWoof | jott: thanks for the cflags advice, I'll make a note | 01:27 |
| lardman | JasonWoof: yes there is | 01:27 |
| lcuk | yes, but default compile mode == thumb assembler which doesnt have FP operations | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | (i believe) | 01:28 |
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| lardman | lcuk: is it that, or that the toolchain defaults to soft-float? | 01:28 |
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| JasonWoof | I'm just guessing here... but this: "-mfloat-abi=softfp" looks like it's asking for software floating point calculations... | 01:28 |
| lcuk | i think its just toolchain defaults to thumb - smaller instructions == smaller binary | 01:28 |
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| lardman | JasonWoof: that's the abi, the -mfpu flag tells it what to use | 01:29 |
| JasonWoof | ok | 01:29 |
| lardman | means the two can coexist | 01:29 |
| lcuk | and simpler for gcc to optimise for (since its most like other instruction sets). full arm asm has a lot of niceness which is hard to compile for efficiently i believe | 01:29 |
| JasonWoof | funny, my fractal thing seemed to run pretty fast anyway, I'll try it this way | 01:29 |
| lcuk | JasonWoof, you will probably find that for these kind of subdivision fractals it will be drawing speed which lags more than the algo (unless you are doing whole recursion steps in one go) | 01:30 |
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| JasonWoof | woh, those flags made a huge difference | 01:33 |
| lcuk | heh - and note the site name before clicking - has this girl got an l system on her stomach http://www.totallynsfw.com/galleries/galleries_birdwatching_292/ | 01:34 |
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| JasonWoof | lcuk: the part that's really slow draws off screen until done, then figures gama, and eventually blits | 01:34 |
| lcuk | ahh | 01:36 |
| JasonWoof | I just used the flags on my game (vor) and it made a noticeable difference when you explode | 01:37 |
| JasonWoof | (previously there was a huge frame-drop then) | 01:37 |
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| lardman | ~lart omapdsp on 770 for being different | 01:39 |
| * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, omapdsp on 770, this won't hurt a bit...." for being different | 01:39 | |
| lardman | someone's being teaching infobot....? | 01:39 |
| lardman | *been | 01:39 |
| pupnik | boo lcuk. that's not an lsystem. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | its pretty though :) | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | Btw: "a technique for modifying subcutaneous tattoos using special inks has also been patented. It relies upon microencapsulated spheres injected under the skin. Such microencapsulation is typified by eInk's "digital ink" technology for use in electronic paper. A set of drive electrodes manually applied to the skin manipulates the tattoo image electrically." | 01:43 |
| Navi | woo | 01:44 |
| pupnik | imagine surfing the web on your forearm | 01:44 |
| Navi | XD | 01:44 |
| lcuk | Blue Arm Of Death! | 01:45 |
| pupnik | hah | 01:45 |
| lcuk | you would need the control electronics somewhere for continuous refresh | 01:45 |
| lcuk | the mods they are discussing have to be going getting it changed by swiping some kind of wand or plate over | 01:46 |
| jott | lcuk: there is plenty of space in our bodies | 01:46 |
| Navi | especially with people that have a lot of surface area. | 01:46 |
| lardman | I thought that eInk stuff didn't need to be refreshed | 01:46 |
| lcuk | if you have a larger surface area you just put more regular tatoos | 01:47 |
| lcuk | if you run out of space, just eat a few more cheezeburgers | 01:47 |
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| Navi | lol | 01:47 |
| lcuk | lardman, it doesnt unless you want to change it | 01:47 |
| pupnik | "i'm not fat, just hi-res" | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | heh, and if you ever lose weight, you would hope your tatoos would reduce to a higher dpi | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | unfortunately they just end up stretching | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | whos seen this btw: http://gizmodo.com/386007/r2+d2-projector-in-action-video-verdict-a-must-have | 01:49 |
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| cyberholic | Good evening everyone :) | 01:49 |
| term-sig | not me, i`m blind mate. | 01:49 |
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| term-sig | ;) | 01:49 |
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| cyberholic | I am working on a PIM that gets its data from an online API - wich one would you say is the most used one? | 01:50 |
| lcuk | well that just puts an end to another damn fine plan. | 01:50 |
| cyberholic | Or in other ways: what would you consider as the best solution to save your contacts online? | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | my contacts want to be with me - why would i consider keeping them online? | 01:52 |
| * lardman wonders why the DSP is complaining about a buffer 0x25800 in length when it's actually 768000 bytes long | 01:52 | |
| cyberholic | lcuk: i was astonished about plaxo.com - keeping your contacts always synced. this way you would always have the latest and correc contact. For example: if one of your friends changes his/her phone number, you do not have to enter it, it happens automaticly. | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | huh? so other people can fuck around with my contact list? | 01:53 |
| cyberholic | well, just if they change their number. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | if i make a contact for someone and link them to a specific picture and ringtone (mother in law - death march - dragon etc) | 01:54 |
| cyberholic | imagine that someone changes his work-address. instead of you having to enter the new one, the system automaticly updates it. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | i dont want them to know | 01:54 |
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| elb | I don't know anything about this system, but that's not at all what cyberholic is suggesting | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | lardman, is it possible that you are breaking outside the 768k window by starting to write somewhere near the end? | 01:55 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: lol. it's not about the content that you order it to, it is about the content itself. You do not need to change a number as the owner by changing his contact ID offers you the new number. | 01:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: this is the loader complaining that there's something wrong with the task (which works on the N800 curiously) | 01:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: omapdsp: illegal mmap buffer address(0xe0210000) or length(0x25800). It needs to be page-aligned and located at external memory. | 01:56 |
| lcuk | the thing is, something like that contact system requires that everyone must also use the same service. at present most dont | 01:57 |
| lcuk | lardman, this is on 770 then? did they change the page size and stuff | 01:57 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: well, that is why plaxo.com WAS so great: they brought all your contacts together at one place. They have a great sync tool, but now they jumped on the social-networking train and try to beat facebook. In my opinion this is going to break their necks! | 01:58 |
| lardman | lcuk: looks like something is different; will have to trawl the kernel code again. I don't like the way the size is wrong though | 01:58 |
| lcuk | i remember when i used to have messenger my contacts in outlook would update when people updated their messenger details | 01:58 |
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| cyberholic | luck: thats the point! | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | yer but that was contacts that i spoke to | 01:59 |
| lopz | hola | 01:59 |
| cyberholic | at the moment i am trying out so many APIs that i might even think about using the microsoft LIVE one *sigh* .... | 01:59 |
| cyberholic | lopz: buenas! | 01:59 |
| jott | cyberholic: or do some nice aggregation and join all major sources | 02:00 |
| lopz | hey cyberholic ¿Cómo estás? | 02:00 |
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| cyberholic | jott: that is exactly what i am doing! I am working on a full 800x480 PIM :) | 02:00 |
| cyberholic | lopz: solo hablo un puouco espanol. So please try to speak english, so that others also understand! | 02:00 |
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| lopz | hey cyberholic ¿How are you? | 02:01 |
| lardman | night all | 02:01 |
| lopz | xD | 02:01 |
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| cyberholic | :) | 02:01 |
| jldiaz | hi/hola | 02:01 |
| jldiaz | another spanish speaker here | 02:01 |
| lopz | jldiaz, you speak spanish ? | 02:01 |
| jldiaz | I'm spanish :-) | 02:01 |
| * lopz spanish | 02:02 | |
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| felipec | yo tmb | 02:02 |
| cyberholic | i'm portuguese. | 02:02 |
| jldiaz | from portuguese I only remember the word for ham :-) | 02:02 |
| jldiaz | because in spanish it has a completly different meaning | 02:03 |
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| JasonWoof | why does my bluetooth keyboard lag? | 02:03 |
| cyberholic | if i won't find anything that fits, i might build an address-book Mojo for the Mojocafe.net *gg*.... how much sql database space would i need to save all the contacts taht you people know? 200 terrabytes? lol. | 02:03 |
| jldiaz | I'm still playing with x2x and the NIT | 02:04 |
| cyberholic | what is x2x? | 02:04 |
| jldiaz | It is an X-window application | 02:05 |
| cyberholic | any screenshots somewhere? | 02:05 |
| jldiaz | which can capture all X-window input events in a machine and send it to another one | 02:05 |
| jldiaz | no screenshot is possible, actually | 02:05 |
| cyberholic | ah ok. | 02:05 |
| jldiaz | it does not shows up anything, but it allows for a strange application | 02:05 |
| jldiaz | I can use my NIT to control the mouse of my PC | 02:06 |
| jldiaz | kinda digitizer tablet | 02:06 |
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| jldiaz | even without installing x2x in the NIT (besides, it is not ported to maemo afik) | 02:06 |
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| jldiaz | anyone knows how the pressure information of the nit touchscreen is reported to applications? | 02:08 |
| jldiaz | it is part of X-window standard, or a particular extension? | 02:08 |
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| atlas95 | hello | 02:08 |
| jldiaz | I'm unable to find documentation on the matter | 02:08 |
| jldiaz | hi atlas95 | 02:08 |
| atlas95 | I search how to sync my maemo eds contact and my ubuntu evolution contact | 02:09 |
| atlas95 | is it possible? | 02:09 |
| atlas95 | hello jldiaz | 02:09 |
| lcuk | jldiaz, its an extension | 02:09 |
| term-sig | anyone using openbox or other wm? | 02:10 |
| lcuk | http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData | 02:10 |
| lcuk | <X11/extensions/Xsp.h> | 02:10 |
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| jldiaz | thankyou lcuk | 02:14 |
| jldiaz | can it be faked through Xtst? | 02:16 |
| lcuk | i dont know, i just use it as described there | 02:16 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: can you tell me where and how the contacts data is saved on my device? | 02:16 |
| lcuk | that would depend upon which program you were using cyberholic. as it stands i dont have any so couldnt locate them | 02:16 |
| jldiaz | I'm interested in capturing the mouse position and pressure in the n810 and send it to a desktop PC, where it can be used by applications such as the gimp | 02:17 |
| jldiaz | in order to use the n810 as a digitizer | 02:17 |
| jldiaz | I'll do some research | 02:17 |
| cyberholic | thnx my friend! | 02:17 |
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| JasonWoof | jldiaz: let me know if you figure it out! | 02:18 |
| lcuk | jldiaz, what would you display on the tablet itself? | 02:18 |
| lcuk | the gimp rendered display? | 02:18 |
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| jldiaz | this is a good point | 02:18 |
| jldiaz | initially, the tablet screen would be blank | 02:19 |
| jldiaz | otherwise it would be a kind of vnc | 02:19 |
| lcuk | you could certainly setup some kind of custom app and actually draw onto the proper omap canvass | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | 'canvas | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:19 |
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| dick-richardson | where's the default homepage on the device? | 02:20 |
| jldiaz | I'm thinking of a version of x2x which carries out the pressure information | 02:20 |
| lcuk | tell ppl to get a cheap $15 tablet if thats all they need, otherwise have a look at the painting apps currently on the device | 02:20 |
| lcuk | :D kot | 02:20 |
| * lcuk snorted | 02:20 | |
| fireun | ok, I'm back - my 770s wont connect at home, but work at the local cafe - the wifi browser doesnt find APs but kismet does. I've installed wireless-tools and using iwlist wlan0 scan - I get "Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument" | 02:20 |
| fireun | any ideas? | 02:21 |
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| fireun | I've read on the tableteer forums that there might be a problem with the 770/maemo and 802.11n nodes, scrambles the 770s wifi card or somesuch | 02:22 |
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| * fireun sits back to wait | 02:22 | |
| jenjen | hey nigs | 02:22 |
| jenjen | im bored | 02:22 |
| jldiaz | how many pressure levels does the tablet report? | 02:22 |
| jenjen | 2 | 02:22 |
| |thunde1 | My n800 will no longer mount a ext2 formtd sdhc card. Wtf?? | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | i think ~512 | 02:23 |
| lcuk | errr a value between about 800 (light touch) to about 100 for heavy (maybe even lower for terminal pressure) | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | or 256 but with offset | 02:23 |
| jenjen | yeah i forgot the 5 and 1 | 02:23 |
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| jldiaz | wow.. | 02:23 |
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| KotCzarny | but usually less | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | and uneven | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | actually, it is less - minimun normal pressure is about 500 if my notes are right | 02:25 |
| * lcuk was sure he had another set | 02:26 | |
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| lcuk | if i want to list the lines found inside all files in a folder do i use grep | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 02:28 |
| dick-richardson | where's the default homepage on the device? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:29 |
| lcuk | its ok i found the line i wanted | 02:29 |
| lcuk | / mouse pressure ranges 97 hardest, 803 lightest | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | @lcuk | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20071018-The_Muppet_Show_Cake | 02:32 |
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| KotCzarny | swiss chief rulez | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:34 |
| lcuk | chef* | 02:34 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:34 |
| lcuk | that cake is so well done | 02:34 |
| * KotCzarny agrees | 02:35 | |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if it's edible | 02:35 |
| lcuk | i doubt i could eat it | 02:35 |
| lcuk | though i would get some kind of sick pleasure from munching on miss piggy | 02:35 |
| lcuk | i wonder if she tastes of bacon | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | peeking under the dress? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:37 |
| lcuk | you could just snap off kermits arm | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | KotCzarny, I discovered that the x2x experiment can involve up to three computers | 02:37 |
| jldiaz | today I ran x2x on my office desktop, and it got the input from the nokia, and send these events to my home PC | 02:37 |
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| jldiaz | all this complexity is needed because I cannot install x2x on my home pc | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | nor in the nokia | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | but I want to control my home pc from the nokia | 02:38 |
| jldiaz | so I use my office PC as intermediate :-) | 02:38 |
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| KotCzarny | i think anything is doable, with enough tinkering | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:39 |
| jldiaz | the amazing in this case is that not much tinkering was required :) | 02:39 |
| jldiaz | I run at the home PC the command: ssh -X officePC | 02:40 |
| jldiaz | (this creates the DISPLAY :11 in the officePC, which is connected to my home display :0) | 02:40 |
| jldiaz | and then I run in the nokia the command: ssh -X officePC x2x -to :11 | 02:41 |
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| jldiaz | that's all | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | get your scratchbox running and just compile x2x for armel | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| jldiaz | XD | 02:41 |
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| jldiaz | it is more fun this way | 02:43 |
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| KotCzarny | but with x2x on device you can start it directly | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:44 |
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| dick-richardson | I changed my homepage and want the original back :/ | 03:09 |
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| lcuk | you mean the tableteer link on the front or your actual homepage | 03:13 |
| lcuk | dick-richardson ^ | 03:13 |
| jldiaz | Hmm... youtube complaints about my flash version in the n810 | 03:15 |
| jldiaz | few days before all was ok | 03:16 |
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| jldiaz | anyone recognizes these symptoms? | 03:16 |
| oceanvessel__ | hi there | 03:16 |
| jldiaz | hi oceanvessel__ | 03:16 |
| oceanvessel__ | no clicking after doing xrandr on tablet pc | 03:17 |
| oceanvessel__ | it does track the pointer though | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | have you installed modified kernel too? | 03:17 |
| oceanvessel__ | any suggestions??? | 03:17 |
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| jldiaz | KotCzarny, are u talking to me? | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | to oceanvessel | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:18 |
| jldiaz | ok :) | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | oh ok | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | no need to | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | only modified driver | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | it's actually | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | that's on nokia? | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | the fpit drive | 03:18 |
| oceanvessel__ | no it's not | 03:18 |
| jldiaz | has youtube changed the required flash version? Or did I screwed somehow my flash plugin? | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | then i don't know :) | 03:19 |
| oceanvessel__ | thanks, anyway | 03:19 |
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| dick-richardson | lcuk: actual homepage | 03:22 |
| jldiaz | hmm, fixed | 03:22 |
| jldiaz | i've got deactivated the plugins in microb | 03:22 |
| jldiaz | how could that happens? I didn't touch the configuration.. | 03:22 |
| lcuk | dick-richardson, simply: home.html | 03:23 |
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| dick-richardson | slick, thank yoU! | 03:25 |
| * lcuk keeps defaults if they are intelligent | 03:26 | |
| dick-richardson | lcuk: yeah, moment of weakness | 03:26 |
| lcuk | ive just made 3 shortcuts and numbered them - they display at the top of the shortcuts list, my homepage is default but my favs are available without scrolling | 03:27 |
| lcuk | 0 numpty levels ... 1 slashdot ... works well enough, a shame though the list is alpha sorted | 03:28 |
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| dick-richardson | next issue: I have a command line utility that I need to change the first argument passed. how does that work? | 03:29 |
| dick-richardson | 1=desiredtext doesn't work | 03:30 |
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| lcuk | if its command line dont u just run it from the command line | 03:30 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, but I'm trying to simplify a friend of mine's username to his real world name | 03:31 |
| lcuk | the numbering is for the bookmark list, not normal links | 03:31 |
| dick-richardson | no, separate issue | 03:31 |
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| dick-richardson | I have a script that uses a case statement. I want to change the first argument to the script to something else | 03:35 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, i have about as much skill with the command line as i do at ironing | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | and how much it is? | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:36 |
| term-sig | lcuk: dont be shy. ;) | 03:44 |
| jldiaz | "Positional parameters may not be assigned to with assignment statements" (from bash manual) | 03:45 |
| dick-richardson | can I discard the first one? | 03:46 |
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| * pupnik_ is afraid to go back into #bash | 03:49 | |
| lcuk | why | 03:49 |
| pupnik_ | well that was with a smiley :) | 03:49 |
| pupnik_ | there's some crazy stuff goin on in there man | 03:49 |
| dick-richardson | I'll go...should've thought of that initially | 03:50 |
| lcuk | i got scared by the #c channel | 03:50 |
| jldiaz | dick-richardson, I think that "shift" will do the trick | 03:50 |
| term-sig | lcuk: oh! maybe u want told us why u get scared? | 03:52 |
| term-sig | :) | 03:52 |
| term-sig | ok, bed time. | 03:53 |
| term-sig | night. | 03:53 |
| jldiaz | me too | 03:53 |
| jldiaz | buenas noches | 03:53 |
| lcuk | gnite | 03:53 |
| * lcuk was scared by the fanatisism re pre inc and post inc when the result was being thrown away | 03:54 | |
| lcuk | { ++a; } vs { a++; } | 03:54 |
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| derf | Anyone fanatic about that is an idiot. | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | are you fanatic about that? | 03:57 |
| derf | I'm fanatic about not being fanatic. | 03:58 |
| lcuk | no, it was the last time i opened that chan | 03:58 |
| lcuk | i tried to shout "what the fuck does it matter" but found out the chan was registered only | 03:58 |
| * lcuk wanted to vent | 03:58 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | try ircnet sometimes too | 03:58 |
| derf | It actually _does_ matter in C++. But not C. | 03:59 |
| lcuk | derf it only matters if you have overloaded the operators | 03:59 |
| derf | Right. | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | c++ is overloaded | 03:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:59 |
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| derf | But when everyone's always using some kind of smart pointer or iterator or some crazy fool thing, that's quite common. | 04:00 |
| derf | If they aren't, they might as well be using C. | 04:01 |
| dick-richardson | I hear Java's the wave of the future | 04:01 |
| lcuk | nahh, lisp is :) | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | nah, we are gonna die | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | *all | 04:02 |
| lcuk | functional programming on multiple cores scales much better than anything | 04:02 |
| lcuk | not before linuxtag i hope | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | during? | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:03 |
| dick-richardson | you realize we're all geeks | 04:03 |
| lcuk | speak for yourself :P | 04:03 |
| KotCzarny | greeks? | 04:03 |
| derf | "functional programming" doesn't inherently make anything more parallelizable. | 04:04 |
| dick-richardson | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw | 04:05 |
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| pupnik_ | good quote | 04:07 |
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| dick-richardson | there has to be a better solution for twitter than what I'm doing | 04:07 |
| dick-richardson | posting from the command line, receiving direct messages via email, and other updates via rss | 04:07 |
| lcuk | pick up a bit of python and hack yourself a mini tweet screen | 04:08 |
| lcuk | im actually surprised there isnt something for it already | 04:08 |
| dick-richardson | I liked the IM option, but I want to be flooded with missed updates while I was offline | 04:08 |
| dick-richardson | there is mitter | 04:08 |
| dick-richardson | not sure if mitter would do it or not...should give it a shot | 04:09 |
| lcuk | i shudder to think what good information has been lost by learning that a twitter message is known as a tweet | 04:10 |
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| dick-richardson | brain structure is hierarchical, you should be fine | 04:10 |
| derf | No, the brain is very good at forgetting things that are not actually important. | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | or worse, as a 'twit' | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:12 |
| lcuk | no, thats the user ;) | 04:12 |
| dick-richardson | or a listener of leo laport's weekly podcast | 04:12 |
| dick-richardson | *laporte | 04:13 |
| lcuk | i need sleep | 04:13 |
| lcuk | nite folks | 04:13 |
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| KotCzarny | nite lcuk | 04:13 |
| dick-richardson | sleep well | 04:13 |
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| pupnik | dang, i love mplayer. 35% cpu playing back 420x340 @ 15fps XViD | 04:26 |
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| KotCzarny | is there life after mplayer? | 04:28 |
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| pupnik | maybe omap3430 and some hardware decompression | 04:30 |
| pupnik | unfortunately that might have limited codec support | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | assuming there will be drivers | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:30 |
| * pupnik pees on software patents | 04:30 | |
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| KotCzarny | peeing on software patents is patented, sorry | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | you have to pay | 04:32 |
| pupnik | aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgh | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder when someone will patent breathing | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | that would generate nice amount of money | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | most probably though someone patents 'air in a can' | 04:33 |
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| pupnik | It's so fun to crunch down video size and find good settings | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | crunching a 249MB lecture to 87 MB atm and the result looks *better | 04:35 |
| dick-richardson | hard lock in linux :( | 04:35 |
| pupnik | out of swap? xorg crash? | 04:35 |
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| zion | isn't the point of using apt to get away from dependency hell? | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | but then you face repository hell | 04:54 |
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| zion | I just tried to install mameo-pan. and it needed bluez-util | 04:55 |
| zion | also, there seem to be a *lot* of apps depending on libhildonfm2 which I can't find | 04:55 |
| zion | isn't maemo the central repo? | 04:55 |
| dick-richardson | does diablo include aptitude? | 04:55 |
| dick-richardson | I'll take repo hell over .dll hell | 04:56 |
| zion | I just find this a bit confusing since I haven't seen this in other distros. | 04:56 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, the maemo repo situation hasn't been nearly as solidified as some others | 04:57 |
| zion | ok. so the red-pill mode is suppose to switch to the unstable repo? | 04:57 |
| dick-richardson | no, red pill mode just gives you...deeper...access to the system | 04:58 |
| dick-richardson | someone else could probably describe it better | 04:59 |
| dick-richardson | I think of it as a 'pre-root' mode | 04:59 |
| zion | ok... cause when I switch, it gives me a list of debs which I can't update | 04:59 |
| zion | in the 'should be updated list' | 04:59 |
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| dick-richardson | I've found gronmayer.com/it to be the best repo source | 05:00 |
| zion | ok. so maemo is the virgin bundle and nothing else? | 05:01 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 05:01 |
| zion | thats just silly | 05:01 |
| zion | s/silly/odd | 05:02 |
| dick-richardson | welcome to a platform in development ;) | 05:02 |
| zion | he | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | at least software is available | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:02 |
| zion | for some definiton of 'available' ;) | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer troubled instal to no instal at all | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:03 |
| zion | yeah... I wanted an open hackable device, openmoko wasn't far enough along | 05:03 |
| dick-richardson | this is much closer, there's a lot to like | 05:04 |
| zion | yep, been using it and having fun so far | 05:04 |
| zion | have never seen repos breeding like rabbits before | 05:04 |
| zion | there is layman in gentoo... but thats pretty well organized | 05:05 |
| dick-richardson | uh oh...a gentoo user | 05:05 |
| * zion emitts an evil laugh | 05:05 | |
| dick-richardson | isn't there an alarm we're suppose to sound or something? | 05:06 |
| zion | is it a lack of maintainers for the maemo repo? | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's easier to whip up an own repo than to mess with maemo.org ? | 05:07 |
| zion | have sb running and could help test/verify debs ... | 05:07 |
| dick-richardson | I don't believe so...I think it's more that Nokia official programmers have their hands tied to some degree | 05:07 |
| dick-richardson | hence the proliferation of 'unofficial' repos | 05:08 |
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| zion | ok... apparently I need to do some more diggin to figure out what everything is | 05:09 |
| zion | is there a fork of maemo then? that seems like a forkable issue if ppl can't contribute to the main repo | 05:09 |
| zion | or have I fundamentally misunderstood something when I saw n8x0 == open linux based platform? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:10 |
| dick-richardson | not contributing the main repo isn't seen in this community as a critical flaw since you can (fairly) easily add the hacker repos | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | you can contribute to maemo.org | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's just laziness for the most part i think | 05:11 |
| zion | ah! ok | 05:11 |
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| dick-richardson | yeah... | 05:11 |
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| zion | well, I will poke around some more then. thnx for the quick overview | 05:12 |
| dick-richardson | np, welcome! | 05:12 |
| dick-richardson | knowing your kind, it won't be long until gentoo is ported :P | 05:13 |
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| fysa | was kaltsi doing the updated wiimote support? | 05:27 |
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| dick-richardson | I still can't find why my system locked. wasn't X or swap... | 05:37 |
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| Tama^2 | Hi | 05:45 |
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| Navi | Tama^2, hi | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | ohh Navi :) | 05:49 |
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| Tama^2 | it's unusually quiet in here | 05:50 |
| Navi | Nah | 05:50 |
| zion | newb question: is there an imap client which allows for folder subscriptions? | 05:55 |
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| dick-richardson | Modest | 06:03 |
| zion | just found that | 06:04 |
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| zion | calendar? | 06:04 |
| dick-richardson | i use gpe | 06:04 |
| dick-richardson | calendar, contacts, and todo | 06:04 |
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| zion | k... there is no export, unless I am missing something | 06:05 |
| dick-richardson | and summary, for the desktop | 06:05 |
| dick-richardson | no, export is abysmal | 06:05 |
| zion | gah! ... ok I think something must be borked | 06:06 |
| zion | I can't install a thing without it asking for libhildonfm2 | 06:06 |
| dick-richardson | do a search for it at http://gronmayer.com/it | 06:07 |
| dick-richardson | looks like it's in the chinook repo | 06:07 |
| dick-richardson | you don't need the temp fix...that was or an issue a while ago that appears to be resolved | 06:08 |
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| zion | ok.. this is starting to make me question my iq | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:16 |
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| zion | I installed the meamo chinook repos... now it refuses to let me install any external software | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | yup, version conflicts | 06:17 |
| zion | this does use apt right? not prm | 06:18 |
| zion | rpm | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:18 |
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| zion | is there a simple fix for this? or should I just google around? | 06:21 |
| JasonWoof | does scratchbox support running graphical programs compiled for arm? | 06:21 |
| zion | JasonWoof, yes use Xephyr | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | zion: try running apt-get and see what it says | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | and disable any non-default repo | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:22 |
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| JasonWoof | wow, cool | 06:23 |
| JasonWoof | it's huge! | 06:28 |
| zion | ok... apt-get is either working perfectly or borking my n810 completely | 06:29 |
| zion | will find out soon | 06:29 |
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| dick-richardson | love that feeling...but in my case it ended up working perfectly | 06:30 |
| JasonWoof | now if my laptop were actually much faster than the tablet, this would probably be useful | 06:34 |
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| zion | w00t, it worked | 06:36 |
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| Navi | Hrm | 06:44 |
| Navi | I can't figure out how to get past Chapter 3 Level 8 on Marbles | 06:44 |
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| JasonWoof | Navi: yeah, that one's tricky | 07:03 |
| JasonWoof | I just got it almost done, and ran out of moves | 07:03 |
| Navi | How do you do it? | 07:03 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:03 |
| JasonWoof | don't ever put anything in the side columns | 07:03 |
| Navi | I did it once before | 07:03 |
| JasonWoof | there's gotta be quite a bit of back-and-forth | 07:03 |
| JasonWoof | I think the trick to efficiency is to leave stuff near the middle | 07:03 |
| Navi | Oh, I see. | 07:04 |
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| JasonWoof | hah! one move short that time | 07:06 |
| Navi | XD | 07:06 |
| Navi | What difficulty are you playing at? | 07:06 |
| JasonWoof | ahh, did it that time | 07:10 |
| JasonWoof | that's cool | 07:10 |
| JasonWoof | normal | 07:10 |
| JasonWoof | trick is you can't lose those both of the following two spots: one above the center crossing and one below the center crossing | 07:11 |
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| JasonWoof | colors by first letter: red maroon yellow orange green. directions north south east west: | 07:20 |
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| Navi | Woo | 07:20 |
| Navi | I beat it with 0 moves left | 07:20 |
| JasonWoof | 19 moves: rw oe | 07:20 |
| JasonWoof | gn rws | 07:20 |
| JasonWoof | oe rn mn | 07:20 |
| JasonWoof | rw | 07:21 |
| JasonWoof | mn re me | 07:21 |
| JasonWoof | gs mw gn me ys | 07:21 |
| JasonWoof | mw ow | 07:21 |
| JasonWoof | oops, got yellow and green switched that time | 07:22 |
| JasonWoof | I did it three times before I started logging | 07:22 |
| JasonWoof | oh well, you got it anyway | 07:23 |
| Navi | lol | 07:23 |
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| JasonWoof | 16 moves left on row three column 5 | 07:34 |
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| JasonWoof | my I feel clever | 07:34 |
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| LeoTsuichi | Have a few questions for anyone. Is anyone aware of a port of Qt Jambi to the N810? | 07:44 |
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| Proteous | referb apple airport extreme card for $29.00 on the apple site | 08:04 |
| Proteous | if anyone wants a small wifi access point | 08:04 |
| Proteous | er, not card | 08:05 |
| Proteous | airport extreme access point | 08:05 |
| Proteous | it's just 802.11g but the normal price is $99 | 08:06 |
| LeoTsuichi | Does anyone know if there's docs on nokia's site or maemo on how to utilize the hardware on a Nokia N810? | 08:08 |
| LeoTsuichi | namely the FM tuner, bluetooth, wireless controllers, and the GPS | 08:08 |
| LeoTsuichi | The external buttons would be nice to detect too ;-) | 08:08 |
| Proteous | I can give you instructions on how to utilize the n810 hardware to open a can of tuna | 08:08 |
| Proteous | it's ingenous really | 08:08 |
| Proteous | ingenuis | 08:08 |
| LeoTsuichi | Wow, that was helpful | 08:09 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | 2x fail | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:09 |
| Proteous | lol | 08:09 |
| Proteous | :P | 08:09 |
| LeoTsuichi | :P | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | leot: hw buttons are mapped to f-something | 08:09 |
| LeoTsuichi | I'm thinking of rolling my own distro, but I want to use Java on the N810 | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | f4, f5 etc | 08:09 |
| Proteous | let us know how that goes LeoTsuichi | 08:09 |
| LeoTsuichi | Ideally, it would be nice to use Java and QT Jambi | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | as for rest of hw, you would have to use nokia's kernel | 08:10 |
| LeoTsuichi | Yar, I'm doing that | 08:10 |
| LeoTsuichi | But not sure how to access the hw | 08:10 |
| Proteous | tiver me shimbers | 08:10 |
| LeoTsuichi | Proteus: You're all over that aren't you | 08:10 |
| lopz | bye | 08:10 |
| Proteous | cya | 08:10 |
| LeoTsuichi | like spice on curry | 08:10 |
| * Proteous cries | 08:10 | |
| * LeoTsuichi smacks Proteous | 08:10 | |
| Proteous | I'm just a user | 08:10 |
| LeoTsuichi | I could have used a carp but I saved you the trouble :D | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | leot: you can try snatching some info from the debian port for n8x0 | 08:11 |
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| LeoTsuichi | Kot - where's the port? | 08:11 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 08:11 |
| LeoTsuichi | Yar, I'd like to boot this thing in text mode with framebuffer and start X when I want | 08:12 |
| LeoTsuichi | like I said, I'm all over that. | 08:12 |
| LeoTsuichi | I also need to figure out a way to handle it through QEMU | 08:13 |
| LeoTsuichi | ... emulation fail. | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | use newer qemu/ | 08:16 |
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| woodwizzle | Is there an unzip command in the OS2008 kernel? | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: kernel? | 08:16 |
| woodwizzle | lol, hehe didn't mean that | 08:17 |
| zpol | re xD | 08:17 |
| woodwizzle | is the OS though, by default | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | yes, there is (un)zip package | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | probably in extras | 08:17 |
| woodwizzle | i know there is tar, but I'm getting a "invalid tar magic", i think the tar.gz is corrupted so I'm gonna try to unzip it if I can | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | no | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's busybox's tar flakiness | 08:18 |
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| KotCzarny | ie. not supporting all features/formats | 08:18 |
| woodwizzle | is there a way around that? they provide a zip as well. And yeah, I was able to apt-get install unzip | 08:18 |
| LeoTsuichi | hmmmm, I'm assuming I should boot into the internal MMC first | 08:18 |
| LeoTsuichi | Then do all this work on the MMC2 card :o | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: instal normal tar | 08:18 |
| woodwizzle | apt-get install tar says its gonna remove 125 packages :( | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | then just download it and unpack tar binary to /usr/bin/local | 08:20 |
| woodwizzle | can I download the deb via apt-get? | 08:21 |
| woodwizzle | I've only ever apt-get install and apt-get builddep before | 08:21 |
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| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: use firefox :) | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | as for unpacking use: ar x | 08:22 |
| MrDowntempo | ugh, may be quicker just to get the zip package, its pretty small | 08:22 |
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| MrDowntempo | Its gzipped to, I was trying tar -xvvzf mytar.tar.gz | 08:23 |
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| MrDowntempo | Is there a way to open up my file manager and/or firefox to root access? That way I can download something to /usr/bin/local and then go right there and extract it? otherwise I have to download it to MyDownloads, and then move it frome the terminal :-P | 08:25 |
| MrDowntempo | I guess I could run firefox from a root session in the terminal? | 08:26 |
| MrDowntempo | but I'd prefer to have the default one setup like that. | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: install mc, or ssh-server | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:26 |
| MrDowntempo | I have ssh server, I do the ssh 0 -l root trick | 08:27 |
| MrDowntempo | whats mc? | 08:27 |
| KotCzarny | then ssh from windows/linux | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | that would make most operations simpler | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | mc is a nc clone | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | file manager using text mode | 08:28 |
| MrDowntempo | well I have a bluetooth keyboard, so thats not a problem. But I'd like to be able to click on a program from firefox and tell it where I really want it to go. Even midnight commander would be an added step, and no quicker than mv ./myfile /my/destination/ | 08:30 |
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| KotCzarny | not true | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | with mc you just press enter on .tar.gz and browse it as local dir | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | with f5 acting as a copy | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | and f3 as a view | 08:31 |
| MrDowntempo | oh thats pretty sweet. Does it use the installed version of tar or would I still need to upgrade that? | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | installed version | 08:31 |
| MrDowntempo | I don't have function buttons on my iGo stowaway :( Guess I would have to ssh in | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | you do | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | probably with some f key | 08:32 |
| MrDowntempo | ah, unzip is working though, and unlike tar I can specify a destination directory with -d | 08:35 |
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| n800n | dude | 09:00 |
| n800n | i'm in a bar | 09:00 |
| n800n | drinking beer | 09:00 |
| n800n | i love n800 | 09:00 |
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| unique311 | lol | 09:01 |
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| MrDowntempo | is it possible to edit the command that menu items run? if i want to add some command line switches and such | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes, /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 09:13 |
| MrDowntempo | hotness =) | 09:13 |
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| keesj | :p | 09:32 |
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| * qwerty12 really needs to add pcspkr to the blacklisted module list... | 09:47 | |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | or just disconnect it from mb | 09:47 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, 15-20 mins work compared to 5 mins editing a file :p | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | 15? | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | I don't open computers much | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | i would say more like 15 sec | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:48 |
| qwerty12 | Infact, when I was using my old computer to softmod my xbox, the old computer nearly went on fire >.< | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 09:49 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:49 |
| qwerty12 | Because of the pc speaker. Some weird irony :p | 09:49 |
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| KotCzarny | how could you set pc on fire because of wc speaker? | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | it's really nice trick :) | 09:51 |
| qwerty12 | :p Because the way you softmod an xbox with a computer, you have to have them next to each other (the harddrive) and when I was doing it, I knocked the harddrive inside my computer, some wires started melting and smoke was coming out >.< | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | I checked it and the pc speaker wire was burned out | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | so I disconnected it and carried on... | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | ah, i think metal case of hdd shorted some circuits | 09:52 |
| qwerty12 | I think that computer was dumped somewhere. 733Mhz processor and 128MB ram w00t. | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | nice machine | 09:53 |
| KotCzarny | my scratchbox box has 128mb and 566 cpu | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:54 |
| qwerty12 | :). Mine has 2.8GHz dual core and 2GB. I used linux on that old computer but I still preferred windows at that time and it had on a 20GB hard drive. | 09:54 |
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| KotCzarny | nice, there is ddwrt for x86 | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | cheap router anyone? :> | 09:57 |
| qwerty12 | It had no ethernet and USB 1.1 and I ripped out all the (rubbish) parts from it :p | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | i have something like this: http://tekgems.com/Products/et-9367-sys-syu3791w.htm | 09:59 |
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| KotCzarny | i like integrated switch and lcd :) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | It looks quite nice :) | 09:59 |
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| KotCzarny | yup, that too | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | and i have got it for free :) | 09:59 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | can't beat the price ;) | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | But but what about www.free<whatever>.com | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, i prefer craigslist | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:01 |
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| qwerty12 | true, I use ebay and sometimes gumtree | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | guy was giving it away because his wife was fed up with noise from this machine | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:02 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | i have modded the fans and it's quiet now :) | 10:02 |
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| qwerty12 | lmao, he gave it away as well :p | 10:03 |
| MrDowntempo | KotCzarny: you use tightvnc right? | 10:03 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: sometimes | 10:03 |
| MrDowntempo | I'm trying to set it up with an SSH tunnel but I think its not working right because I either got the wrong ip and ports in the wrong spots, or I don't have the port forwarding correctly setup on my router | 10:04 |
| MrDowntempo | once I get it working I'll put it all in a little shell script that I'll run from the menus though =) | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | you don't need port forwarding on router if you use port forwarding in ssh | 10:05 |
| MrDowntempo | Ah ok | 10:05 |
| MrDowntempo | should I turn the port forwarding on the router off then? or does it make a difference? | 10:05 |
| Proteous | you juust need to port forward to your sshd port | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | trick is, if you can get in with ssh, you don't need anything else | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:06 |
| Proteous | yeah | 10:06 |
| Proteous | muhahahaha | 10:06 |
| Proteous | ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 | 10:06 |
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| Proteous | well, if your vnc server is on the same machine as your sshd server | 10:07 |
| Proteous | er daemon | 10:07 |
| MrDowntempo | do I need sshd on the vnc machine? | 10:08 |
| Proteous | otherwise it'd be ssh -L 5900:IPofVNCmachine:5900 | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | you need sshd on the machine that can see destination or source | 10:08 |
| Proteous | no, you just need sshd on the same network as the machine with the vnc server | 10:08 |
| MrDowntempo | well is it ok if I do it on the machine with the vnc server? | 10:09 |
| Proteous | my sshd machine is not the same as the machine I VNC into | 10:09 |
| Proteous | do what | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 10:09 |
| MrDowntempo | Ok cool | 10:09 |
| Proteous | as long as it is sturdy enough | 10:09 |
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| Proteous | and you're not too rough | 10:09 |
| MrDowntempo | Its a quad core ;) | 10:10 |
| Proteous | harddrives don't like to be shaken too much | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, there can be FIRE | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:10 |
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| Proteous | try to keep the fluid drippage to a minimum too | 10:10 |
| MrDowntempo | now my machine is behind a router, Do i use my internet visible ip address or the local network ip address? | 10:10 |
| Proteous | are you outside the router? | 10:11 |
| Proteous | is your ssh server behind the router? | 10:11 |
| Proteous | if so, use the local network IP in your port forward string | 10:11 |
| qwerty12 | Proteous, lmao | 10:11 |
| Proteous | ssh -L 5900:LocalIP:5900 | 10:12 |
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| Proteous | and when you connect with your VNC client make sure you are connecting to localhost | 10:12 |
| MrDowntempo | Proteous: right now I'm also behind the router, but I want to have it setup so that I can access it when I'm out and about | 10:13 |
| Proteous | I was tunneling VNC through SSH on my 770 teathered to my cell phone | 10:13 |
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| MrDowntempo | nice | 10:14 |
| Proteous | yeah, should work the same | 10:14 |
| MrDowntempo | and I think my server is on port 5901 | 10:14 |
| Proteous | :) | 10:14 |
| Proteous | then using port 5901 in your forwarding string would work much much better then what I was writing | 10:15 |
| MrDowntempo | hmm. i got my ssh server installed on the host machine, but I can't seem to login from the tablet on the network. I run ssh 192.168.1.102 -l corey but no connection | 10:17 |
| MrDowntempo | and I did make sure ssh was started by running /etc/init.d/ssh restart | 10:17 |
| Proteous | you can run netstat --listen and make sure ssh there | 10:19 |
| MrDowntempo | from the host? | 10:19 |
| Proteous | from the machine that sshd is supposidly running on | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | 'supposedly' | 10:20 |
| Proteous | thanks | 10:20 |
| MrDowntempo | tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* LISTEN | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | tcp6 ? | 10:20 |
| Proteous | you using IPv6 | 10:21 |
| MrDowntempo | yeah i gots no clue what that is | 10:21 |
| MrDowntempo | i shouldn't be | 10:21 |
| Proteous | heh | 10:21 |
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| MrDowntempo | maybe that's the default ;-( | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 10:21 |
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| Proteous | bye bye | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:22 |
| Proteous | hit the wrong red "X" | 10:22 |
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| Proteous | new name, same ssh problems | 10:22 |
| Proteous | I thought you had already worked out your ssh problems before I entered this conversation | 10:23 |
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| Proteous | if I had known I would have STFU | 10:23 |
| Proteous | hehe | 10:23 |
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| MrDowntempo | poop, dunno why I rebooted | 10:26 |
| MrDowntempo | still no ssh though | 10:26 |
| Proteous | heh | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:26 |
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| MrDowntempo | even if its using v6 shouldn't it work on a v4 network. Its all backwards compatible right? | 10:35 |
| Proteous | not sure that tcp6 means IPv6 | 10:36 |
| Proteous | my quick google search was inconclusive | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it's ipv6, but it doesn't mean all his machines talk ipv6 | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | or route it | 10:36 |
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| Proteous | seems the tcp6 can mean that the service is listening on ipv4 and ipv6 | 10:39 |
| Proteous | s/service/daemon | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | well, it doesn't work for him ;) | 10:40 |
| Proteous | very true | 10:40 |
| MrDowntempo | very true indeed | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | malloc is memory allocation right? | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:42 |
| Proteous | I belive so | 10:42 |
| MrDowntempo | qwerty12: yup | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 10:42 |
| Proteous | or some form of digestive aid | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 10:43 |
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| KotCzarny | it's mallox | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 10:44 |
| skibur | hello | 10:44 |
| skibur | Does Numpty Physics work on N800? Where is the deb at? | 10:45 |
| doc|home | it does | 10:46 |
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| * qwerty12 thinks make and gcc and all the rest suck | 10:54 | |
| KotCzarny | why? | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | All I am doing is putting in void *cheat = NULL; and cheat = malloc(512*270); and the rest of the code suddenly has erros. | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | s/erros/errors | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | then probably there are bugs | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:55 |
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| qwerty12 | But if a DS devkit will happily compile with that line inside :( | 10:56 |
| qwerty12 | ^it | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | because it's ok | 10:56 |
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| qwerty12 | It's this ROTT port. Except for controls which can be shrugged aside because it's still realitivly (spelling and x-chat spellchecker doesn't have the right spelling) playable except for the freezing during levels. Sometimes it crashes on loading the first level, sometimes not. But when I tried loading second level, it crashed and I spent quite a while playing the first level. Makes it unplayable then. | 11:01 |
| qwerty12 | At least save and load works. | 11:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Panic scare over. Sigh. | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | grammar parser failed | 11:28 |
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| qwerty12 | muhahahahahahaahahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa grammerz suckzors fasdas | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | zombie nation | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | chomp | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | yum# | 11:29 |
| qwerty12 | I dont think my usb port is working. | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | plumbing needed? | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | No a new n800, I plugged in charger and usb cable and it kept rebooting and now without usb cable connected, it boots but when I plug it in, it doesn't do anything. | 11:32 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder if it starts rebooting randomly now | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | I need to remove powerlaunch from run level 5, it's stopping me from booting. | 11:33 |
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| qwerty12 | I am seriously tempted to throw my N800 against a wall. | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | use some flasher settings to force it into submission? | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | I don't think it is watchdog rebooting it :( | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | like setting some boot parameters to force it onto another run level :P | 11:35 |
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| qwerty12 | I noticed while booting this morning, the screen was black so I took out the battery. | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, you can do that? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | --boot, -b [arg] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks :) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible to do something with that, atleast | 11:36 |
| qwerty12 | I'm gonna modify initfs to stop it booting in run level 5 soon. | 11:37 |
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| qwerty12 | ok, usb port is working fine, I think maemo is being a bitch. "USB device found found at bus 003, device address 009" | 11:39 |
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| qwerty12 | solmumaha, if you catch this message later, do you want to test out a new binary for me? I think I've solved freezing problems. I started new game 3 times in a row without it freezing. | 11:47 |
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| qwerty12 | Ok, need an opinion, for the icon of the ROTT port, what's better (ignore size): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MAC10.jpg or the pic on this page: http://www.3drealms.com/rott/index.html | 12:20 |
| qwerty12 | I'm serious. | 12:22 |
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| Veggen | how is the state of scratchbox vs. amd64 nowadays? still need a chroot? | 12:43 |
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| Veggen | seems like. ok, into my chroot it goes. | 12:49 |
| qwerty12 | I think you can setarch the install but I read that sb2 works with 64bit. | 12:50 |
| Veggen | hmm, but do I get a bunch of other problems with sb2? | 12:51 |
| Veggen | nah, I just go the chroot way. I needed the chroot for other stuff too. | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | I prefer sb1 to sb2 because sb2 integrates more with the host where as sb1 keeps files seperate. | 12:51 |
| KotCzarny | i like it separate | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | +1 :) | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Makes it much easier to dig out files. | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | or to start over | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | after some serious breakage | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, for me that = reformat :/ | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | for me it's a simple untar | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | (yes, i have a backup) | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:53 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 12:53 |
| Veggen | well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot made it rather easy to just make a chroot where I can install whatever I need to run in 32bit mode. | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | hey, i am following the " HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting" guide on ITT, ive come to the partitioning part and think the instructions are for 800. before i destroy the wrong MMC i want to know if i can list which /media/MMC belongs to which /dev/mmcblk | 14:07 |
| derf | Type "mount" | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | wicked, thanks derf :) | 14:09 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12247 dropped into my mail today | 14:27 |
| Cptnodegard | damn its small | 14:27 |
| jumpula | install damn small linux there :) | 14:29 |
| Cptnodegard | lmao¨ | 14:30 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/minidisks.jpg | 14:42 |
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| pupnik | huhu | 15:29 |
| pupnik | nice day outside :) | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not bad here. For England... :p | 15:29 |
| Cptnodegard | nice day inside too :D | 15:33 |
| Cptnodegard | :p | 15:33 |
| Cptnodegard | raining hsporadically here | 15:33 |
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| jaska | id prefer rain | 15:35 |
| * lcuk has shed his winter coat | 15:39 | |
| RST38h | sunny and no rain at all here | 15:41 |
| RST38h | a bit dusty though | 15:41 |
| lcuk | now ive got no hair i cant keep a cig behind my ear | 15:42 |
| lcuk | (and its sunny here as well) | 15:42 |
| _berto_ | nice day everywhere | 15:43 |
| _berto_ | ;) | 15:43 |
| johnx | gorgeous, cool, slightly overcast day here. It was nice because it's been way too hot and humid the last week... | 15:48 |
| pupnik | lcuk. for presentations, i'd like a 800x600 webcam that does hardware mpeg4 compression and just sends compressed data over usb (1) to the notebook | 15:50 |
| pupnik | with macro mode of course | 15:51 |
| pupnik | think there's such a thing? | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | there should be - have you looked at what res you get by using a normal digital camera in webcam mode | 15:53 |
| pupnik | google found a company that's doing RnD for that, but didn't find any products | 15:53 |
| lcuk | nobounds | 15:54 |
| pupnik | yeah my fuji F30 gets 640x480, but it can't focus close-up in video mode | 15:54 |
| pupnik | heh, somehow i doubt nobounds would be good for demoing emulators | 15:54 |
| lcuk | macro zoom in webcam mode | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, is it possible to use x11vnc for this? | 16:05 |
| pupnik | for my porpoises nah | 16:06 |
| lcuk | cos you are using the raw surface and not x11 primatives/ | 16:06 |
| pupnik | plus the point is to show performance, and any framegrabbity stuff will impace that | 16:07 |
| lcuk | dont webcams have a focusing nobble | 16:07 |
| megabyte405 | only some of them | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | you cant be the first person who wants to do something similar - may be an idea to ask quim how he and others manage it | 16:09 |
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| ImMelod1 | how difficult is it to port something in VB to maemo? :) | 16:11 |
| lcuk | depends on the actual project ImMelod1 but ive not seen any basic around. im a vb dev in day job and just rewrite as required | 16:11 |
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| konttori | ImMelod1: You should be able to convert the code to python relatively easily if its less than few thousand loc | 16:18 |
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| ImMelod1 | alrighty | 16:19 |
| konttori | converting to c will be a whole lot more difficult | 16:19 |
| ImMelod1 | my hubby is writing something in VB for me so I was going to see if I could convert it as he writes it | 16:19 |
| konttori | should be pretty ok on python | 16:20 |
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| AStorm | ok, fight continues | 16:22 |
| AStorm | time for a newer kernel | 16:22 |
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| AStorm | should be easy | 16:22 |
| AStorm | a pity that Vcc control won't work | 16:22 |
| AStorm | I could try to port that part of the patch (pretty simple) | 16:23 |
| AStorm | (just a mod of cpufreq writing random GPIOs) | 16:23 |
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| AStorm | alternatively, I could take more time and do a proper port | 16:26 |
| AStorm | to the ladder ACPI power scheme | 16:26 |
| AStorm | as a separate cpufreq driver | 16:26 |
| RST38h | What are you currently fighting for? | 16:26 |
| AStorm | RST38h: now, run 2.6.25 | 16:26 |
| AStorm | just have to upload it and the modules | 16:27 |
| AStorm | maybe apply that patch | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Is there anything worth using in 2.6.25? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | I mean, for a tablet? | 16:27 |
| AStorm | cpu scheduler, swap fixes | 16:27 |
| AStorm | one downside is missing voltage control | 16:28 |
| AStorm | but I should be able to port that | 16:28 |
| AStorm | it's very localized | 16:28 |
| AStorm | and ofc make wifi work | 16:29 |
| AStorm | already made it build, let's see if it works too | 16:29 |
| AStorm | should, at least with SLAB memory allocator (old one) | 16:29 |
| AStorm | but I hope the only problem was just a missing export, not some inlined SLAB code | 16:30 |
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| AStorm | ok, time to experiment | 16:33 |
| AStorm | nah | 16:34 |
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| AStorm | battery needs more charging | 16:34 |
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| fysa | someone is working on a near real-time cpu frequency scaling replacement -- that would help overall responsiveness | 16:37 |
| AStorm | not that much | 16:37 |
| fysa | yes, tons | 16:37 |
| fysa | it is SERIOUSLY broken | 16:37 |
| fysa | ask lcuk. | 16:37 |
| AStorm | the most important problem is cpu sched | 16:38 |
| lcuk | it should do - the cpufreq scaling is very hit n miss | 16:38 |
| lcuk | see.. :) | 16:38 |
| AStorm | for non-problematic, use conservative | 16:38 |
| AStorm | w/o powersave bias it's very efficient | 16:38 |
| lcuk | i can run an app one time and its fast, and another its slow and another its fast then slow then fast ... | 16:38 |
| fysa | the problem is that your high-CPU task is *over* before cpufreq scaling kicks in | 16:38 |
| AStorm | fysa: you can tune thresholds | 16:39 |
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| fysa | it's not thresholds | 16:39 |
| fysa | it's the sampling rate | 16:39 |
| AStorm | and decrease ^ | 16:39 |
| lcuk | tuning threshholds effects ALL apps though - lowering it to 40%ish means that cpu is at high speed more often and battery flattens quicker | 16:39 |
| AStorm | ofc decreasing sampling rate eats more cpu | 16:39 |
| fysa | AStorm: So you are saying that your suggestion for dealing with cpufreq is to turn the threshold so low that it's basically always clocked high. | 16:40 |
| AStorm | lcuk: that's why you should toggle powersave bias too | 16:40 |
| AStorm | no | 16:40 |
| fysa | then what else would that accomplish? | 16:40 |
| fysa | do your research. | 16:40 |
| AStorm | I did | 16:40 |
| fysa | this is a serious problem. | 16:40 |
| fysa | cpufreq is getting TRASHED. | 16:40 |
| AStorm | sampling rate is too low | 16:40 |
| fysa | you can stop defending it now. | 16:40 |
| AStorm | yes, new acpi controller is better | 16:40 |
| AStorm | non-polling | 16:41 |
| AStorm | don't know if it's possible to use that on the tablet though | 16:41 |
| lcuk | astorm, currently the only way i can make a stock os2008 machine run smoothly is to DOUBLE or even triple the workload. if i run through the entire rendering routine twice it will go smoothly. that is NOT the best solution | 16:41 |
| AStorm | heh | 16:41 |
| fysa | why do you love cpufreq so much. astorm? | 16:41 |
| AStorm | fysa: I don't | 16:42 |
| AStorm | tune sampling rate up | 16:42 |
| fysa | I have. | 16:42 |
| AStorm | it's VERY low now | 16:42 |
| fysa | it's still bullshit. | 16:42 |
| fysa | it's still too slow for pressure-sensitive drawing. | 16:42 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 16:42 |
| fysa | the CPU doesn't kick up until after your curve is drawn | 16:42 |
| fysa | the problem is an instantaneous need for high CPU | 16:42 |
| AStorm | why does that eat so much cpu? | 16:42 |
| AStorm | it shouldn't | 16:43 |
| fysa | the sampling rate of the touch interface | 16:43 |
| lcuk | if no real solution can be found, it would be a reasonable compromise to mark my rendering thread as needing high cpu (no, nice doesnt work) | 16:43 |
| AStorm | which means you're doing it wrong | 16:43 |
| fysa | no, AStorm | 16:44 |
| fysa | for crying out loud | 16:44 |
| fysa | it's been declared broken | 16:44 |
| AStorm | why do you need to sample it so often? spikes? | 16:44 |
| fysa | let's say you have a completely idle CPU, clocked down | 16:44 |
| lcuk | AStorm, the work you have to do after detecting a mouse move is what runs slowly effectively lowering the sampling rate because you check next time | 16:44 |
| fysa | then you quickly draw figure 8's on the screen | 16:44 |
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| juke | hi | 16:44 |
| fysa | if the CPU is clocked low, half of those 8s will be straight lines criss-crossing | 16:44 |
| fysa | because the sample rate was too low | 16:45 |
| AStorm | ah I had problem with it before I deniced X :P | 16:45 |
| fysa | then halfway through, the rate will kick up and you will get an accurate curve | 16:45 |
| AStorm | that's because X won't get interactive bonus if reniced | 16:45 |
| juke | how can i play daap music (shared with rhythmbox) on n810 ? | 16:45 |
| lcuk | fysa, still not perfectly accurate, doing circles at fastest on performance and rendering is still only octagons | 16:45 |
| AStorm | = get new cpu scheduler and don't blame cpufreq | 16:45 |
| lcuk | but its loads better than when the cpu is at low speed | 16:46 |
| fysa | **we are getting a new cpufreq** | 16:46 |
| AStorm | so, please, try renice -n 0 $(pidof Xomap) | 16:46 |
| AStorm | that too | 16:46 |
| AStorm | but it won't help nearly as much as you think it will | 16:46 |
| fysa | sampling rate is going away | 16:46 |
| AStorm | say, I've debugged the problem | 16:47 |
| lcuk | i, for one, welcome our new cpufreq overlords | 16:47 |
| fysa | no sampling rate = no delay | 16:47 |
| fysa | no need to adjust | 16:47 |
| AStorm | by setting to performance, it doesn't go away | 16:47 |
| AStorm | so, you're wrong | 16:47 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:47 |
| fysa | of course it doesn't | 16:47 |
| AStorm | try that renice, please | 16:47 |
| juke | with canola ? | 16:47 |
| pupnik | going for a bikeride. when I get back, i expect everything to be fixed. | 16:47 |
| AStorm | fixes it | 16:47 |
| AStorm | pupnik: yeah | 16:48 |
| lcuk | lol pupnik, enjoy yourself and the NIT will make you a cuppa when you return | 16:48 |
| pupnik | :) http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif | 16:48 |
| AStorm | fysa: alternatively, drop me a test app | 16:48 |
| AStorm | because I did fix a problem with maemopad, that you describe | 16:49 |
| AStorm | by dropping nice -1 from Xomap | 16:49 |
| AStorm | w/o any cpufreq mangling at all | 16:49 |
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| AStorm | although, old cpu sched still has issues on high cpu load | 16:51 |
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| AStorm | unfairness and all :P | 16:51 |
| fysa | definitely can believe that | 16:53 |
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| juke | i see this bug report https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/canola-users/2007-April/000567.html but i dont now where can i access to daap sharing in canola... | 16:54 |
| lcuk | AStorm, have a look here | 16:55 |
| lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | grab the liqbase test file and run it on your machine - the first stars intro screen shows cpu speed very nicely | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | running on performance is nice and smooth at >25fps, however on ondemand it judders unless you are stroking the screen lots | 16:56 |
| lcuk | take all files and copy into a folder somewhere executable | 16:57 |
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| kpel | hello | 16:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice demo | 16:57 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | its just part of me getting ready to work on this NIT, theres other things in progress | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Glad to hear it :), Good luck with your projects :) | 16:59 |
| Navi | Canola's photo viewer is really nice | 16:59 |
| lcuk | heh, actually thats got lower resolution by default - max framerate is 33fps | 16:59 |
| Navi | there's no noticeable latency when dragging around an image | 16:59 |
| Navi | Makes me want to write a comic viewer in efl to use | 17:00 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, if you actually look at the book - i managed to get it smooth scrolling on the default cpu after sacrificing a few pixels | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Yeah, looks good :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | since i did that ive put in resolution switching and cpu frequency changing | 17:01 |
| lcuk | but i really want a proper way to handle this cpu scaling problem | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, I extracted that demo to /var/tmp because i knew it would get deleted but i moved it to ~ because it's quite fun (imo) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | :) it will only get better once i have a few more piece in place - ive got about 3 weeks to do that before i call it a day and release the specific apps (with cleansed source) | 17:03 |
| lcuk | i want enough of a library to write any apps i need with it - the xv base is about the fastest rendering ive managed to get on this device | 17:04 |
| juke | can you help me please ? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | daap not sure dont use canola | 17:04 |
| johnx | pretty sure canola doesn't do daap right now | 17:05 |
| juke | is there another daap client ? | 17:05 |
| johnx | I don't know | 17:05 |
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| briand | qwerty12_N800: fun?? "quite fun" ??? demos are not supposed to be fun. lcuk must've forgotten to strip the binaries.. ;) | 17:05 |
| lcuk | its relaxing to watch the stars | 17:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | briand, This one is niceee | 17:06 |
| briand | :sigh: you're going to make me download it, aren't ya? | 17:06 |
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| * lcuk is stuck with one major thing though at the moment | 17:07 | |
| briand | i fell asleep last night with the n800, and didn't plug it in... it's charging now | 17:07 |
| juke | johnx: lcuk: thanks | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | briand, a typical thing for me :/ | 17:07 |
| johnx | juke, sure, wish I could give you better news :/ | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | There is a ruby daap client, not sure on the work needed to make it run on maemo. | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | i need file load/save routines in c for a page structure ( containing stroke structures (each stroke is an array of points) ) and my foo is lost on c. any ideas where ill find decent text based load/save examples | 17:12 |
| konttori | is there any itunes compatible daap lib available yet? | 17:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | konttori, im looking at this : http://craz.net/programs/itunes/tunesbrowser.html | 17:13 |
| konttori | looks like it won't work with current itunes | 17:13 |
| konttori | they changed the keys in 2006. | 17:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :( | 17:14 |
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| konttori | After that I haven't seen any compatible libs | 17:14 |
| briand | lcuk: the k&r book? ;) | 17:15 |
| konttori | but, there are other daaps than itunes | 17:16 |
| lcuk | probably right, i havent looked deeply into text processing for years - i wrote parsers and stuff years ago before my amiga died but havent got any of my framework now :( since then ive been using vb so recent knowledge is not useful | 17:16 |
| konttori | so, if you want to stream music, you can use another prog to share the music | 17:16 |
| briand | lcuk: ...or, you could use the "swiss army chain saw" | 17:17 |
| briand | lcuk: years ago, `awk` was referred to as the "swiss army knife" of scripting languages.. you could do -anything- with it. | 17:18 |
| jaska | awk...ward | 17:19 |
| lcuk | but since i am writing in c and scripting language is out of reach.. | 17:19 |
| briand | briand: after larry wall came out with perl, the comment was made that "if awk is a swiss army knife, perl is a swiss army chainsaw" | 17:19 |
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| briand | anyway, lcuk ... i would take a look at the k&r book. worth the glance. :) and, it's really not that difficult to read/write files | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, hehe, which fujitsu did you have? I had a 720 :) and it's iSilo :p :) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | i know that, but i was set on using human readable | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | LOOX oldish one errr 610 (picked it up and looked) | 17:22 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ah :) | 17:23 |
| briand | lcuk: you want the file (read and written) to be in ASCII format, so that humans can read it? ...like a config file? | 17:23 |
| lcuk | yer | 17:23 |
| briand | readln / writeln | 17:24 |
| lcuk | but my initial trials with scanf for getting the data back in failed because i couldnt get it to stop reading a string token when the next part of the pattern was encountered | 17:24 |
| briand | if it's an ascii file, you'll want to read just one line at a time (break on CR or CRLF) | 17:25 |
| lcuk | ie scanf("page('%20s',%i,%i)",&pagename,%pagew,%pageh); | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i expected the string to stop being read when i reached the ', part of the pattern but it is dumb and just reads the entire 20characters.. | 17:26 |
| lcuk | (im told i should not leave off the maximum because that causes buffer problems) | 17:26 |
| AStorm | lcuk: yes, that won't work | 17:26 |
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| AStorm | %s stops on whitespace | 17:27 |
| AStorm | use strrchr or strtok | 17:27 |
| AStorm | and then scanf | 17:27 |
| AStorm | (sscanf) | 17:27 |
| lcuk | hence writing a parser - when i start thinking down those lines i start thinking about full grammars etc | 17:27 |
| AStorm | overkill | 17:27 |
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| briand | yeah, otherwise, scanf will continue until it finds a null byte (which it won't, in an ascii file) | 17:28 |
| AStorm | maybe full yacc grammar? :P | 17:28 |
| lcuk | instead of just switching through a few lineformats for the 3 or 4 different lines im expecting | 17:28 |
| AStorm | briand: s/null/whitespace/ | 17:28 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: I still think strrchr parser will be fast and efficient | 17:29 |
| derf | Use %20[^,] | 17:29 |
| AStorm | actually, not a parser, but a lexer | 17:29 |
| AStorm | derf: yeah, but it's scanf, not pcre | 17:29 |
| briand | faster and more efficient is a binary file... why do you want it human readable, if your program is doing the reading/writing? | 17:29 |
| AStorm | briand: think unix | 17:30 |
| derf | That's what he wanted to use. | 17:30 |
| AStorm | easier to script | 17:30 |
| AStorm | derf: naaah | 17:30 |
| lcuk | speed is not important, for the size ANYTHINGG will work | 17:30 |
| AStorm | lcuk: thus, use a regex | 17:30 |
| AStorm | or strrchr loop lexer | 17:30 |
| lcuk | but i expected that if i could write it with printf i could read it back in with scanf ... i cant | 17:30 |
| briand | "then, you'll have two problems" | 17:30 |
| AStorm | lcuk: hehe | 17:30 |
| AStorm | bad assumption | 17:31 |
| AStorm | my personal bet is strrchr to an array of strings | 17:31 |
| lcuk | not really - it turned up in testing | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | ill just end up with a pattern function from somewhere, and yes it will likely include regex in the middle | 17:32 |
| lcuk | strchr only grabs single item | 17:32 |
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| AStorm | regexes are evil, mark my words | 17:32 |
| lcuk | thats why im holding off.. | 17:32 |
| AStorm | lcuk: yes, use it in a loop | 17:32 |
| AStorm | btw, how do I install man pages on N? | 17:33 |
| lcuk | you need to install man first i think | 17:33 |
| briand | i once wrote a regex in perl that would determine the arbitrary delimiter of a delimited text file, then read in the file based on that delimiter. the whole routine was in 4 lines of perl. the developers @ my workplace took 2 months and 16,000 lines of code to do the same thing in their code. | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You will want to disable docpurge | 17:33 |
| briand | never underestimate perl. or regex. :) | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | briand, nice lol | 17:34 |
| derf | Or shitty developers. | 17:34 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: how? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | briand, i did something similar in vb :) | 17:34 |
| AStorm | I am not a debianist. | 17:34 |
| lcuk | a couple more lines though :P | 17:34 |
| briand | derf: no, the devs weren't shitty... just ill-equipped. | 17:34 |
| zpol | morning | 17:34 |
| AStorm | briand: because the guy loses | 17:34 |
| AStorm | and he wrote a full regex engine :P | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, move /usr/sbin/docpurge | 17:35 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: uhm, more clean way, like some apt config file? | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge should do it then | 17:36 |
| AStorm | but I still need man-pages package | 17:36 |
| AStorm | thx | 17:36 |
| lcuk | right, im gonna write myself a wrapper so i can use scanf formatting but have %s stop when it encounters the next part of the pattern | 17:37 |
| briand | AStorm: almost did, yes.. except, it's specific to this particular file specification. if the spec changes, he's got to adjust and recompile. my perl script will still work. ;) | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you should be able to extract that from a debian etch ; arch should be all | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | man-pages that is | 17:37 |
| derf | lcuk: I already told you: use %20[^,] | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | and just compile man | 17:37 |
| derf | scanf already does what you want. | 17:37 |
| lcuk | derf, but that looks very much like regex - will scanf handle it? | 17:38 |
| derf | man scanf if you don't believe me. | 17:38 |
| AStorm | derf: no, scanf can't read regexes | 17:38 |
| AStorm | gnu extension, dummy | 17:38 |
| AStorm | gnu extensions are evil | 17:38 |
| derf | That is not a GNU extension. | 17:38 |
| derf | It is not a regex. | 17:38 |
| AStorm | must be | 17:38 |
| AStorm | never seen it in my man page | 17:39 |
| fysa | AStorm: did you try lcuk's demo app? | 17:39 |
| AStorm | let's see | 17:39 |
| derf | Then you didn't read it. | 17:39 |
| AStorm | fysa: link? | 17:39 |
| fysa | scroll up -- brb | 17:39 |
| lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles | 17:39 |
| AStorm | lcuk: ok, checking | 17:40 |
| briand | AStorm: " [ Matches a nonempty sequence of characters from the specified set of accepted characters; " ...etc | 17:41 |
| AStorm | which system? | 17:41 |
| briand | that's on my Fedora Core 8 system | 17:42 |
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| jott | AStorm: also on solaris 10 :) | 17:42 |
| derf | And every other system known to man. | 17:42 |
| briand | and, it conforms to ANSI specification | 17:43 |
| derf | Now, please tell me again what "must" be a GNU extension? | 17:43 |
| briand | (specifically, x3.159-1989) ;) | 17:43 |
| AStorm | briand: sorry, not in FreeBSD 6 it seems | 17:43 |
| AStorm | or the man page is deficient | 17:43 |
| AStorm | it is present in Mac OS | 17:43 |
| briand | well, BSD is a horse of a different color now, isn't it? :) | 17:44 |
| derf | No, not really. | 17:44 |
| derf | Here, for example, is a man page from FreeBSD 4.11 that describes it: http://www.wbp.de/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=3S&topic=scanf | 17:44 |
| jott | my openbsd box also support it | 17:44 |
| AStorm | mhm | 17:45 |
| * AStorm kills that FreeBSD box | 17:45 | |
| briand | well, regardless.. the man page for scanf() was written in 1995... if your system doesn't work the same way, you may need to do an update. ;) Are you running a 2.6 kernel? ;) | 17:46 |
| AStorm | briand: my Linux is fine with it | 17:46 |
| AStorm | my old uni FreeBSD 6 isn't | 17:46 |
| lcuk | derf, thanks :) im getting input now correctly for single word keys - its enough to let me continue, but im not sure what i will do if the page name or anything else has spaces in | 17:46 |
| AStorm | duhdeduh | 17:46 |
| AStorm | lcuk: then %[] will grab them | 17:47 |
| derf | lcuk: That pattern does not stop on whitespace. | 17:47 |
| AStorm | yes | 17:47 |
| derf | It also does not skip leading whitespace. | 17:47 |
| lcuk | good point | 17:47 |
| * lcuk tries again | 17:48 | |
| AStorm | hm | 17:48 |
| derf | Your real problem is if someone includes the character you want to stop at in the string. | 17:48 |
| AStorm | is this scanf part covered in SYSV? | 17:48 |
| AStorm | yep, that's made of fail | 17:48 |
| derf | But, you'd have that problem with any parsing method. | 17:49 |
| AStorm | scanf can't recognize \ escapes | 17:49 |
| lcuk | 15:48:03 res=1, fmt='page(%20s[^,] ,%i,%i)' skey='gary' swh(0,0) in='page(gary liquid ,800,480)' | 17:49 |
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| AStorm | there's no easy way to make it do so | 17:49 |
| AStorm | lcuk: invalid? %20[^,] | 17:50 |
| lcuk | derf, in vb i can use wildcard patterns in string comparisons and it knows when the wildcard part ands and the next part of the pattern begins | 17:50 |
| AStorm | w/o s | 17:50 |
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| AStorm | lcuk: which proggy should I grab from your page | 17:52 |
| lcuk | read the scrollback, but its liqbase_test20080417.zip | 17:52 |
| AStorm | mhm | 17:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | make me a demo that lets me overclock to 2.8 ghz please. | 17:53 |
| lcuk | ill upload the version with screen resolution changing that gives ummm 100fps at fullspeed ;) | 17:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | cant wait! | 17:55 |
| AStorm | lcuk: no SDLttf on ma IT yet | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | :O does that version still need it | 17:56 |
| lcuk | id forgotten all about that - i ripped out all sdl stuff | 17:56 |
| AStorm | well, it does | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | With liquid cooler using human blood as coolant... | 17:58 |
| AStorm | haha | 17:58 |
| AStorm | no, air-colled by human breath | 17:58 |
| AStorm | you have to blow hard on it | 17:59 |
| AStorm | or it'll crash | 17:59 |
| RST38h | You will have to use A LOT of humans | 17:59 |
| AStorm | well, it just uses a bit of IVA | 17:59 |
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| * lcuk pours water on AStorms nokia | 18:00 | |
| AStorm | lcuk: well, it's not even water resistant | 18:01 |
| AStorm | so, don't | 18:01 |
| lcuk | then how do i manage to hold mine? | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | goodbye AStorm's N810 | 18:01 |
| briand | lcuk: surface tension? | 18:01 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: nah, he's too far to cause damage | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 18:02 |
| lcuk | astorm, but you put a little bit of me into your computer | 18:02 |
| AStorm | lcuk: not enough | 18:02 |
| lcuk | MOAR liquid | 18:02 |
| AStorm | you forgot a dependency of liblcuk-brain.0.0.1.so | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | dependency not found | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get install liblcuk-brain | 18:03 |
| AStorm | no such package | 18:03 |
| lcuk | about to install 3bits, continue? | 18:03 |
| briand | *** repository corrupted *** | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | it's a metapackage for nothing | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 18:04 |
| lcuk | heh, bastards.. | 18:04 |
| Navi | lmfao | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | lol# | 18:04 |
| Navi | Poor lcuk :D | 18:04 |
| fysa | haha | 18:04 |
| AStorm | no, it runs rm -rf / | 18:04 |
| qwerty12 | but what is there to delete? :p | 18:05 |
| fysa | it touched my userspace driver :( | 18:05 |
| AStorm | everything else | 18:05 |
| AStorm | i.e. the rest of lcuk | 18:05 |
| * lcuk is deeply wounded by the internet | 18:05 | |
| * AStorm adds a stab wound to that | 18:05 | |
| * qwerty12 adds salt | 18:06 | |
| lcuk | im gonna tell my mum on you lot | 18:06 |
| * briand ..and just a dash of tabasco | 18:06 | |
| qwerty12 | shit, run! | 18:06 |
| * Navi runs | 18:06 | |
| briand | mums do not cross 'the pond' | 18:07 |
| * briand stays put. | 18:07 | |
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| lcuk | does worse... tells his missus | 18:07 |
| qwerty12 | yeh but I'm in da UK like lcuk | 18:07 |
| lcuk | she would use any excuse to go to america | 18:07 |
| * Navi secks lcuk | 18:07 | |
| lopz | hi | 18:07 |
| Navi | lopz, hi | 18:07 |
| lopz | heya Navi ! | 18:09 |
| kpel | any idea why OS2008 takes ages to update the package list? It seems to hang for minutes at the very end of the list download. | 18:12 |
| Navi | apt-get update instead | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | kpel, it's like that :/. I have to keep repeating the action before it is done. | 18:12 |
| AStorm | it is updating apt database | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | +1 Navi | 18:12 |
| kpel | Navi: i would but i have no qwerty keyboard. just an N800 | 18:13 |
| kpel | i hate using the cli through a touch screen | 18:13 |
| Navi | That's too bad then | 18:13 |
| kpel | indeed | 18:13 |
| AStorm | kpel: write a script | 18:13 |
| AStorm | and give it a .desktop file | 18:13 |
| Navi | Install SSH on your tablet and SSH in :P | 18:14 |
| kpel | AStorm: any info on the syntax of the .desktop files ? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | any idea what i need to link to to get atan2f ? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | i thought it was in the standard c lib (included with math.h) | 18:14 |
| kpel | Navi: yes, i do use ssh from time to time for maintenance (although my gut feeling says i shouldn't have to). | 18:14 |
| fysa | http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2494/1497/1600/434726/screenshot03.png | 18:14 |
| Navi | kpel, check the other desktop files in the hildon folder | 18:14 |
| kpel | Navi: ok i will, thanks | 18:14 |
| fysa | maemo synaptic would be nice. | 18:14 |
| kpel | synaptic rocks | 18:15 |
| AStorm | fysa: lol, why? | 18:15 |
| kpel | but who knows what resources does it need | 18:15 |
| fysa | http://dkothari.blogspot.com/2006/12/synaptic-package-manager-for-maemo.html | 18:15 |
| Navi | APT sucks | 18:15 |
| fysa | AStorm: because enabling matrix mode and installing packages one-at-a-time, while waiting for "Updating.." for 10 seconds between each package, takes all day | 18:15 |
| fysa | when I could just mark them all once and "install all" in synaptic. | 18:16 |
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| AStorm | fysa: blah, should be a simple port | 18:16 |
| fysa | ^^^ | 18:16 |
| fysa | I agree, this is the first time I'm looking.. | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | I'd be interested to know what version he is compiling from. | 18:16 |
| * qwerty12 remembers my brief stint with synaptic | 18:17 | |
| fysa | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/2.0/free/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.57.11-maemo2_armel.deb | 18:18 |
| lcuk | is freetype included by default on NIT? | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 18:18 |
| fysa | haven't tried it yet | 18:18 |
| * lcuk is cleansing deps | 18:18 | |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, I'm sure it is as there is the wiki page on replacing it with the bytecode interpreter version | 18:19 |
| lcuk | hmm? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | remember, my brain is very very small that sentence doesnt make sense | 18:20 |
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| qwerty12 | No idea but I used that library and my fonts changed so it must have worked :p. You want me to try and mount up a default rootfs to check? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | its actually not a problem, i just mark it as required when i make a deb dont i | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah | 18:22 |
| lcuk | ithat will do - ive just totally removed all the sdl stuff and a few other klingons | 18:22 |
| lcuk | it was gone from code, but not from the makefile | 18:22 |
| * qwerty12 gets back to rott | 18:23 | |
| lcuk | playing or coding | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | coding, I need to work on it a bit more. I stopped it from crashing mostly when loading | 18:24 |
| * RST38h wonders whether he should bless Maemo community with a quick setup of ME4SE under Jalimo | 18:24 | |
| qwerty12 | I just need to change the default controls ets | 18:24 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Or maybe MicroEmu... | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Or NOT. | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | I'm using guesswork as I can't program :p | 18:25 |
| lcuk | shhhh dont tell my boss but thats what i do | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | lol. your boss checks mg.pov.lt much? :p | 18:26 |
| * lcuk could be replaced with a broken puppet and still be as effective | 18:26 | |
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| qwerty12 | Would this puppet have a brain? ;) | 18:27 |
| RST38h | with a reeeeally small PERL script | 18:27 |
| RST38h | [and the script would use less resources too] | 18:27 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: no, brain is not a prerequisite | 18:28 |
| lcuk | at least you wouldnt pick on the shell script :P | 18:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Wouldn't I? :p | 18:28 |
| lcuk | good point | 18:28 |
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| RST38h | "German companies developing scented text messages" | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Will it make my phone release gas? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | [is there any dignity left in this world?] | 18:32 |
| RST38h | apparently. | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, sounds like a good prank... | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, anyone else has issues with installing e2fsprogs through apt-get? i'm trying to move /home/user to a mmc so :P | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | just says uninstallable, even though i have rep(..).maemo.org etc in sources.list | 18:36 |
| lcuk | i installed that this morning during the course of booting from mmc (still not completed) and the instructions said redpill mode was needed | 18:37 |
| lcuk | though i installed them from debs rather than a repo | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, add different repo | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | debfarm has the latest afaik | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: did your tablet survive? | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, it seems like rott doesn't like -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp options. | 18:39 |
| lcuk | try -O3 then | 18:39 |
| lcuk | i had random crashes when using -O2 but it works smoothly on 3... | 18:40 |
| lcuk | ymmv though | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | It runs and it plays but it crashes when it tries to play demo but w/out them it runs fine. | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I'll try it out :) | 18:40 |
| * sp3000 rolls eyes | 18:40 | |
| * qwerty12 rolls my eyes back | 18:41 | |
| * briand rolls qwerty12's eyes back and forth | 18:41 | |
| sp3000 | if your quote in a mailing list thread consists in its entirety of "(cut for clarity)", is that perhaps a hint that your question is in fact entirely unrelated to the thread? | 18:41 |
| * lcuk plays pingpong with one of the eyes | 18:41 | |
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| lcuk | sp3000, the problem you are having is because (cut for clarity). hope that helps | 18:42 |
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| qwerty12 | I would understand, if I was subscribed to that mailing thread. | 18:42 |
| sp3000 | thwap | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | anyway, i dont think people in the bareback midgets mailing list will appreciate questions about your nokia | 18:43 |
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| sp3000 | what if it's the always online bareback midgets mailing list? | 18:52 |
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| qwerty12 | My N800 is annoying. if my battery is low, it doesn't want to mount over usb. | 19:04 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 STRANGE? | 19:05 |
| Italodance | Johnx are u there? | 19:06 |
| kulve | has somebody configured pand (server) to n8x0? | 19:06 |
| johnx | yeah | 19:06 |
| johnx | kulve, I dunno, have you seen maemo-pan or is that not what you're looking for? | 19:06 |
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| Italodance | i had a call from official nokia :D,yeah finland! | 19:07 |
| kulve | I think that's in the wrong direction. I have a device with bluetooth and I want it to connect to Internet through my n810 | 19:07 |
| Italodance | they are helping me :D | 19:07 |
| johnx | kulve, ah, should be doable | 19:08 |
| johnx | if you want to do IP masqurading/NAT you might need to add some modules | 19:08 |
| kulve | NAT is something I know how to do | 19:09 |
| johnx | but then you could use dbus-scripts to wait for a wifi connection and then bring up pand | 19:09 |
| kulve | is the pand packaged for it2008? | 19:09 |
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| kulve | or does it come with the maemo-pan -packagE? | 19:09 |
| johnx | I really couldn't say | 19:10 |
| Italodance | johnx did u heard me? :D | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | pand is already present on my N800. But I have maemo-pan installed. | 19:10 |
| johnx | yes, Italodance, I heard you | 19:10 |
| johnx | congratulations, I guess? | 19:10 |
| Italodance | yes tnx :D | 19:10 |
| kulve | qwerty12: I guess it's the maemo-pan then (as it's not in mine).. | 19:10 |
| kulve | nope, it wasn't.. | 19:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12, could you run dpkg -S pand ? | 19:12 |
| kulve | qwerty12: could you write "dpkg -S `which pand`"? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | lol, sure | 19:12 |
| johnx | ahaha, use kulve's line | 19:13 |
| johnx | it's better | 19:13 |
| kulve | shouldn't matter much :) | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | bluez-utils-test | 19:13 |
| johnx | kulve, yeah, unless he has the "millions-of-panda-pictures_all.deb" installed :) | 19:13 |
| kulve | qwerty12: next: apt-cache policy bluez-utils-test? | 19:14 |
| kulve | that package doesn't seem to be in extras.. | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | it's in the chinook repository.maemo.org. I found it of gronmayer. | 19:15 |
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| kulve | found it, thanks | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Np, does anyone else's N800 not mount the mmc's over usb when their battery is low? | 19:17 |
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| konttori | never noticed that myself | 19:20 |
| johnx | I only plug into usb when I'm plugged into AC | 19:20 |
| johnx | surprisingly I keep my desktop near some power outlets... | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | I always assumed it was because of the kernel I was using but this is stock kernel. dmesg says something about usb and power and no further messages, | 19:21 |
| * RST38h can no longer plug USB: his N810 is in a case | 19:22 | |
| qwerty12 | for ****'s sake, I have it connected to charger and it still isn't doing anything. | 19:22 |
| johnx | give it a little time... | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Unfortunately, I don't have time and I need it to work because I need to test the rott binary I keep building. | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Sorry N800, I take that back. I assume the crappy card reader has failed again on my computer. | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | (It has a usb port) | 19:25 |
| johnx | yeah, I have the flakiest USB hub known to man. I know the feeling... | 19:26 |
| Cptnodegard | my usb port on card reader stopped working over two years ago | 19:26 |
| Cptnodegard | i get power overload if i use it | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, my rott port doesn't like being compiled with -02 or -03 :) | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | On my old computer, I'd have to go to the back everytime to plug in something (I had no usb hub) :) | 19:28 |
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| * johnx remembers when USB seemed like it would never become popular | 19:29 | |
| Cptnodegard | i got two front ones and 4 back so dont need another hub... but the miniusb b cable in the fornt is doing all the work anyways since pretty much all my devices are mini usb b | 19:29 |
| Cptnodegard | infact, n800, card reader, and the 6 mp3 players are all mini usb b | 19:30 |
| Cptnodegard | so are external hdds, external usb battery (in port), bluetooth receiver, and headsets | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | Nice, in my computer, I have 2 front ones and 4 in the back too :) (I'd have 3 if the card reader worked lol) | 19:30 |
| Cptnodegard | mini usb b should rule the world | 19:30 |
| hugolp | Cptnodegard: better if firewire would rule the world | 19:32 |
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| Cptnodegard | meh | 19:34 |
| acydlord | meh, neural nets would pwn | 19:35 |
| Cptnodegard | nef | 19:35 |
| Cptnodegard | or nfc | 19:35 |
| Cptnodegard | or wtf that thing is | 19:35 |
| Cptnodegard | you whack stuff with your cell and it works | 19:35 |
| kulve | I'm now running "pand --listen --role NAP --nodetach" on my n810 and "/bin/pand --role PANU --connect 00:1D:6E:9D:36:C4 --service NAP -sdp --persist --nodetach" on the other device, but nothing is happening.. | 19:36 |
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| kulve | actually I had "seach" in the place of "connect" earlier.. | 19:37 |
| johnx | what is supposed to happen? | 19:37 |
| Cptnodegard | coffemaking code? | 19:38 |
| kulve | johnx: I'm not sure.. :) I hope that I would get e.g. bnep0 net interface or something.. | 19:38 |
| johnx | sorry, all I do with bluetooth is basic headset/headphones stuff :) | 19:39 |
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| acydlord | my phone automagically works with my n810, so i havent checked anything out deeper than the gui | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Same here :) | 19:40 |
| * Cptnodegard didnt know there was anything below the gui | 19:40 | |
| Cptnodegard | (/joke) | 19:40 |
| kulve | acydlord: same here. Except I'm doing it now the other way around.. | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | kulve, do you have a Linux phone? | 19:41 |
| kulve | and it's not a phone, it's gumstix: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/verdex.jpg | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 19:41 |
| kulve | 400Mhz, 64M ram, 16M flash | 19:41 |
| acydlord | ahh | 19:41 |
| johnx | fun! :D | 19:41 |
| acydlord | i almost bought one of those when they were rediculously priced | 19:42 |
| johnx | I always think about making a personal access point / server / proxy out of a gumstix w/ some type of celluar data card and a laptop battery | 19:42 |
| acydlord | havent priced them since though | 19:42 |
| johnx | prices look pretty reasonable to me, but I still can't justify it right now | 19:43 |
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| acydlord | i got a few of the rj45 wall plate thin clients for a friends office about a year ago, those are pretty nice | 19:44 |
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| acydlord | bah, every time i delete all the useless apps of my centro palm desktop throws them right back on | 19:46 |
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| konttori | kulve: what was that verdex device? | 19:57 |
| kulve | what what? It's gumstix verdex, i.e. a motherboard with pxa270 | 19:58 |
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| konttori | nice ... 100 MHz. Well, enough for a lot of uses. | 19:59 |
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| kulve | 400Mhz | 19:59 |
| konttori | really? | 19:59 |
| kulve | also 600Mhz is available | 19:59 |
| kulve | Processor : XScale-PXA270 rev 7 (v5l) | 19:59 |
| kulve | BogoMIPS : 415.33 | 19:59 |
| konttori | Ah. so, arm chip. | 19:59 |
| acydlord | there is up to 1.2ghz in the PoE ones | 19:59 |
| johnx | yup, same one as in the later zauruses | 20:00 |
| acydlord | crap, i think my roomate left his computer seeding torrents | 20:00 |
| kulve | that's a bit old now. Marvell has released some pxa3xx cpus that are more powerful | 20:00 |
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| johnx | the embedded world doesn't move that fast... | 20:01 |
| johnx | and the pxa270 has good linux support | 20:01 |
| putterson | Is there any way I can control my linux machines media player with my N810? | 20:01 |
| johnx | which media player? | 20:01 |
| putterson | rhythmbox | 20:02 |
| johnx | hmm, I don't know... | 20:02 |
| putterson | though I can switch if it will make it easier. | 20:03 |
| johnx | if you use mpd, then yes definitely | 20:03 |
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| johnx | to control mpd running on a desktop, there is mmpc: http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:04 |
| putterson | sweet, thank you. | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, anyone willing to give me an opinion? | 20:06 |
| putterson | is it the client that implements playlists or is it the daemon? | 20:06 |
| johnx | I have plenty to spare :) | 20:06 |
| johnx | putterson, the playlists are on the client | 20:06 |
| johnx | errr. | 20:06 |
| johnx | brain failed me | 20:06 |
| johnx | exactly the opposite :) | 20:06 |
| putterson | oh thats good lol | 20:06 |
| putterson | I was scared for a second | 20:07 |
| putterson | about syncing them | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | um | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | people | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Ok then, What do you think, making it easier to play a game (no need to go into configuration) or breaking a bit of compatibility with a keyboard? | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | is there a car phone version of the n810? o0 | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | or | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | wait | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | wtf is this thing | 20:07 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=123468&view=detailed#ProductTabs | 20:08 |
| johnx | hmm? breaking compatibility with keyboard? what does that mean? | 20:08 |
| Cptnodegard | (norwegian) | 20:08 |
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| johnx | putterson, playlists are on the server. you can have multiple clients connected and the server goes on playing even with no clients | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I cannot seem to figure out how to change the button settings directly so I'm changing the hard coded SDLK_Space from Space to the F7 button | 20:08 |
| johnx | ah, scary | 20:09 |
| johnx | will it affect anything except your game? | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Just the game :) | 20:09 |
| johnx | then write /* this is an ugly hack. FIXME */ and go on with your life :) | 20:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, may as well :D | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks for that, I may as well do it. | 20:10 |
| lcdd | what could be done to make maemo mapper not use all available memory? | 20:10 |
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| johnx | lcdd, does it have a memory leak? is it running out of memory? | 20:11 |
| acydlord | ugh, this web host almost makes me want to go to an IIS based system | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | :O | 20:12 |
| lcdd | johnx: just tapping around a map grows the process size and the it never comes down. i'm seeing 75MB with just a few minutes of use | 20:12 |
| johnx | first of all, busybox top tells horrible lies about memory usage of individual apps | 20:13 |
| johnx | what does it say for cached and free though? | 20:13 |
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| lcdd | well, the problem is the device starts swapping and everything slows down | 20:14 |
| johnx | what is swappiness set to? | 20:14 |
| inz | Cptnodegard, it is nokia 810 | 20:14 |
| johnx | also, what it says for cached mem in top would help... | 20:14 |
| lcdd | johnx: 1 | 20:15 |
| johnx | swappiness of 1 and it's still swapping a lot? | 20:15 |
| johnx | hmm :/ | 20:15 |
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| smackpotato | if you have an n800 there is an app that shows process there are some that suck | 20:18 |
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| smackpotato | the media indexing is one | 20:19 |
| smackpotato | the newsreader is 2 | 20:20 |
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| smackpotato | id like to know what other garbage i can toss | 20:22 |
| johnx | processes you don't need? | 20:22 |
| smackpotato | ya | 20:22 |
| johnx | well, clean your statusbar and desktop, for one | 20:22 |
| smackpotato | k | 20:22 |
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| johnx | then hit ITT and see what crazy ideas other people have | 20:23 |
| smackpotato | k | 20:24 |
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| kulve | --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics --- | 20:25 |
| kulve | 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss | 20:25 |
| kulve | round-trip min/avg/max = 237.6/238.5/239.5 ms | 20:25 |
| johnx | hot sauce! | 20:25 |
| johnx | cool | 20:25 |
| kulve | got the bnep working :) | 20:25 |
| kulve | with dnsmasq on n810 running as dhcp server. Just uncommented a line two from it's configuration file | 20:26 |
| johnx | pretty cool | 20:26 |
| johnx | so, if you don't mind me asking, what will you use the gumstix for? | 20:26 |
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| kulve | I'm not sure yet :) (something remotely controlled.. I have a microcontroller that the gumstix will command. And the microcontroller will e.g. feed PWM to some motors..) | 20:28 |
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| acydlord | ugh, i was supposed to go to a workup for podcamp today | 20:35 |
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| dick-richardson | will diablo include aptitude? | 20:38 |
| johnx | I'll bet dollars to donuts it doesn't (which is pretty reasonable at the current dollars/donuts exchange rate) | 20:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | +1 | 20:39 |
| dick-richardson | I can get 1.8 donuts per dollar right now | 20:39 |
| dick-richardson | how about the autoremove switch for apt-get? | 20:40 |
| dick-richardson | *speculation only, obviously | 20:40 |
| johnx | a new apt-get is much more likely, but still I'd bet against it | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it probably will happen because | 20:41 |
| dick-richardson | I am mentally uncomfortable with leaving unecessary dependencies installed | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | svn of current application manager needs newer apt | 20:41 |
| johnx | then it's a good thing I didn't bet! | 20:41 |
| johnx | great news | 20:42 |
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| Blafasel | Comparing Dollars and Donuts is evil. Donuts are useful ;) | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | A CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday showed that 71 percent of the public disapproves of how Bush is handling his job -- the highest figure since the question was first asked in the 1930s. | 21:14 |
| RST38h | He has officially beaten Nixon! | 21:15 |
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| elb | if only the democrats could run an electable candidate :-P | 21:15 |
| RST38h | [of course, there are always negative numbers...] | 21:15 |
| RST38h | no way, you should start getting used to McCain, stare at his picture, listen to him talking nonsense, you know... | 21:16 |
| elb | I strongly suspect that's exactly what people will be getting used to | 21:17 |
| elb | as unbelievable as it seems | 21:17 |
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| qgil | hi there, any suomi-speaker in the house? | 21:19 |
| qgil | (sorry for the off-topic) | 21:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Any Finnish ppl around? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | http://www.exile.ru/img/articles/christ1.jpg (heheh) | 21:20 |
| elb | ahh, blind, ignorant partisanship | 21:22 |
| elb | how refreshing | 21:22 |
| qgil | (about suomi: nevermind, I'll ask tomorrow in the office) | 21:23 |
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| * RST38h is pretty sure these guys can and *will* draw a democratic Jesus along the same lines. They don't care. | 21:24 | |
| johnx | can't we all just support bi-partisan raptor-jesus? | 21:24 |
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| doc|home | I somehow doubt jesus would even support either of these scumbag parties :/ | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Is n't "Raptor" some brand of insecticide? | 21:25 |
| johnx | it's also a brand of dinosaur | 21:25 |
| derf | And a kind of bird. | 21:27 |
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| * RST38h likes the insecticide idea better | 21:29 | |
| RST38h | bi-partisan insecticide <-- very, very useful thing | 21:29 |
| * johnx kind of enjoys the randomness of the "raptor-jesus" meme | 21:29 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe did you hear about a leader of a san diego party being the leader of the cracking group fairlight | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | what party? | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | http://torrentfreak.com/warez-leader-is-chairman-of-san-diego-republican-party-080502/ | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | Oh shit | 21:44 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Fairlight are quite big | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i should know... | 21:45 |
| doc|home | oh no! not warez. fucking hell, the president and president to be are former coke users and someone's kicking up a fuss about this? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, who cares about San Diego? When Rupture comes and God will collect the Faithful, nobody in San Diego will notice | 21:46 |
| doc|home | o.O | 21:46 |
| elb | which president-to-be is that? | 21:46 |
| Blafasel | Who cares about presidents ;) | 21:46 |
| elb | your statement seems ambiguous to me | 21:46 |
| AStorm | yay, new libvorbisidec | 21:46 |
| RST38h | elb: All three! | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Blafasel, +1 | 21:47 |
| Blafasel | qwerty12_N800: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080501 ;) | 21:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 21:48 |
| AStorm | but still no ogg-support 0.7 | 21:48 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: there's a newer version of lms-ogg, care to mod it? | 21:48 |
| elb | RST38h: I think Hillary and Obama are the only contenders who have admitted that | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, I would do but I'm on a tablet :/ | 21:49 |
| AStorm | hmm, ah, N800 | 21:49 |
| AStorm | no keyboard | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | No tools :p | 21:49 |
| AStorm | vim? | 21:50 |
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| AStorm | ar? | 21:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I think I need dpkg-extract | 21:51 |
| AStorm | which package is diff in? | 21:51 |
| kulve | AStorm: what do you know about ogg-support 0.7..? | 21:52 |
| AStorm | doesn't exist | 21:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, diff the tool? | 21:52 |
| AStorm | and lms-ogg requires it | 21:52 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: yup | 21:52 |
| kulve | AStorm: that's going to change in about 20h.. | 21:53 |
| AStorm | great | 21:53 |
| kulve | I have it in a test repo, if somebody want's to test it.. | 21:53 |
| kulve | -' | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | What is newer? | 21:53 |
| AStorm | hmm | 21:53 |
| AStorm | I'll gamble | 21:54 |
| kulve | it has only a little change: the tremor library now exports some ogg_* symbols that the lms plugin uses | 21:54 |
| AStorm | 1.2.0-mogg? | 21:54 |
| kulve | plus I've increased the version numbers so that they are now greater compared to libogg and libivorbis in extras | 21:54 |
| AStorm | that has just updated | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah :), is the speex still included? | 21:55 |
| kulve | AStorm: it's only in my test repo | 21:55 |
| AStorm | kulve: I don't have your test repo | 21:55 |
| kulve | qwerty12_N800: speex is unchanged | 21:55 |
| AStorm | only release one | 21:55 |
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| AStorm | kulve: what are the data to access your test repo? | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, no biggie to remove afterwards, I can wait 20h thanks | 21:56 |
| kulve | AStorm: if you have my repo there, then open this in the browser: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/o.install | 21:56 |
| kulve | qwerty12_N800: what do you use speex for? | 21:56 |
| AStorm | mhm | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i don't use it :), it has problems with voip last time I tried | 21:57 |
| kulve | AStorm: you probably should remove that repo once you have installed the packages as it's not going to be useful in the future | 21:57 |
| kulve | qwerty12_N800: ah, that one,, | 21:57 |
| AStorm | no problem | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | This repo will self destruct in 10... | 21:57 |
| kulve | qwerty12_N800: that would be a nice feature :) | 21:57 |
| AStorm | no, in 20 | 21:58 |
| AStorm | hours | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Cue mission impossible theme :p :) | 21:58 |
| AStorm | wait, I have that in Vorbis... | 21:58 |
| AStorm | ;) | 21:58 |
| kulve | AStorm: if you have mogg installed too, those will conflict as they both provide the ivorbis gst plugin | 21:59 |
| AStorm | no, I don't | 21:59 |
| AStorm | only some libvorbis0a-1.2.0 | 22:00 |
| AStorm | and ogg-support 0.6 | 22:00 |
| AStorm | also hacked lms-ogg | 22:00 |
| kulve | libvorbis0a shouldn't conflict with anything. Expect that e.g. Media Player may use it instead of Tremor, so oggs will play, but take more cpu.. | 22:02 |
| AStorm | so I'll remove it to be sure | 22:03 |
| AStorm | ok, tring out canola | 22:07 |
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| kulve | I have to admit that I don't know anything about it. Etrunko has made the changes to lms and tested it against the ogg-support 0.7 | 22:08 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | ƃuıɥʇʎuɐ ƃuıʞɐǝɹq ʇno/ʍ ɯǝlqoɹd sloɹʇuoɔ ʎɯ pǝʌlos ǝʌ,ı ʞuıɥʇ ı | 22:08 |
| GNUton | hi | 22:08 |
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| GNUton | eh? :) | 22:09 |
| AStorm | kulve: lms does work | 22:09 |
| kulve | great | 22:09 |
| AStorm | I mostly checked if it's any faster than previous libvorbisidec | 22:09 |
| AStorm | new libogg seems faster at parsing tags | 22:09 |
| inz | qwerty, get down from the roof | 22:10 |
| kulve | it should be pretty much the same libivorbisdec. Newer SVN trunk, but there was only compile issues fixed. | 22:10 |
| AStorm | mot much though, a second or two | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | inz, help! | 22:10 |
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| AStorm | kulve: I'm talking vs 1.1.x | 22:10 |
| kulve | I'm not sure what gcc options I used for 0.6 but at least now there arm ARMv6 and vfp selected | 22:10 |
| AStorm | mhm | 22:10 |
| AStorm | it indeed seems to stutter slightly less | 22:11 |
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| AStorm | still stutters sometimes though :P | 22:11 |
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| AStorm | ~curse nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume | 22:12 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume ! | 22:12 |
| AStorm | weak | 22:12 |
| inz | AStorm, you should get some sennheisers, they add bass at all volume levels | 22:13 |
| AStorm | I have these | 22:13 |
| AStorm | thought it was them, but was wrong | 22:13 |
| AStorm | nokia thinks it can do psychoacoustic volume control | 22:14 |
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| AStorm | and fails miserably | 22:14 |
| AStorm | because these are very sensitive | 22:14 |
| ol_schoola | Senns don't necessarily "add" bass, they simply reproduce them more faithfully | 22:14 |
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| AStorm | sound at 50% hardware vol 50% sw vol is much more bassy | 22:15 |
| AStorm | than one at 100% hw vol and 10% sw vol | 22:15 |
| AStorm | (canola volume control) | 22:15 |
| AStorm | so, it's standard psychoacoustic volume fail | 22:16 |
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| ol_schoola | interesting. something in the mixer SW is affecting the response | 22:16 |
| AStorm | i don't think so | 22:16 |
| kulve | ol_schoola: some senns do :) | 22:16 |
| ol_schoola | i'll need to look at canola more, haven't been messing with the 800 for some time | 22:16 |
| AStorm | I'll have comparison when I get some linux other than maemo in | 22:16 |
| AStorm | kulve: yep, but these CX400 are fairly ok | 22:17 |
| AStorm | bassy, but not as much | 22:17 |
| AStorm | tested w/ my good ole cd player | 22:17 |
| kulve | AStorm: mine is some bass version. Nice for games and movies, but terrible for music.. | 22:17 |
| AStorm | hehe | 22:17 |
| ol_schoola | kulve: true, my gaming/skype headset has the souncard-on-usb dongle it it surely boosts the response in the low and high end | 22:18 |
| AStorm | nokia makes my Beyers DT230 sound bassier too | 22:18 |
| AStorm | and these are fairly thin | 22:18 |
| AStorm | idk if it's some alsa/esd/gst mod | 22:18 |
| AStorm | or hardware | 22:18 |
| AStorm | I suspect the latter | 22:18 |
| ol_schoola | wait one, i'll try my hd 280 pro (soundboard headset) on my n95, that'll be interesting | 22:18 |
| AStorm | and would love to know how to bypass that bass "compensation" | 22:19 |
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| AStorm | this ruins sound on my HD497 too | 22:20 |
| AStorm | although not as badly | 22:21 |
| AStorm | because I have to turn volume up some due to lower sensitivity | 22:21 |
| AStorm | with cx400, software volume is almost at minimum to sound properly | 22:21 |
| AStorm | (same balance as my hda-intel) | 22:22 |
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| AStorm | ok, the bass addition is logarithmic, both vs volume and in frequency | 22:23 |
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| AStorm | wait, I'll measure it | 22:24 |
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| ol_schoola | i hear it now, Senn 280p using Canola. the 64ohm load these present works very well with 800, not so well on n95 | 22:26 |
| AStorm | that's current issue :P | 22:27 |
| AStorm | but then, this bass boost sounds very much like in those old amps | 22:27 |
| acydlord | my senn m200s work nicely on my n810 | 22:27 |
| AStorm | you need high eff. phones | 22:27 |
| ol_schoola | my mythv frontends route through alsa and alsa doesn't touch it, just passes it on, analog or digital | 22:28 |
| AStorm | with good bass response | 22:28 |
| AStorm | ol_schoola: so it's esd | 22:28 |
| * AStorm will mod gst to use alsasink | 22:28 | |
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| AStorm | ok, tghere's no key | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You could take quick way out and make canola use mplayer and set ao to alsa | 22:31 |
| AStorm | I need full path for the setting (gconf editor) | 22:31 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: hmm, good way to test, thx | 22:31 |
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| AStorm | but I still need to change gst settings | 22:31 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: how do I make canola use mplayer for playback? | 22:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vi .atabake/config and | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | audio = oms to audio = mplayer | 22:33 |
| AStorm | fail | 22:34 |
| AStorm | alsa_dsp_transfer(): Requested too much data transfer (playing only 2048) | 22:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :( | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | edit /etc/asound.conf | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | i have managed to fix it that way | 22:35 |
| ol_schoola | AStorm: Senn pc156 without the USB dongle are perfect for the n95, 0 -100% vol with no distortion, typical 95 hiss | 22:35 |
| AStorm | mplayer uses sdl | 22:35 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | You can change that | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: it's alsa | 22:35 |
| AStorm | ol_schoola: prob. matched impendance | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | asound.conf is alsa config | 22:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: checking | 22:36 |
| ol_schoola | AStorm: same setup with the n800 and the low end get's ornery at 70% vol | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, not by default | 22:36 |
| ol_schoola | using Norah Jones material, well known to my ears | 22:36 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no such file | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: alsa_dsp_transfer | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | definitely alsa | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:36 |
| AStorm | definitely bad mplayer or driver | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | but ao=sdl,gst :) | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | in .mplayer/config | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: heh, so alsa_dsp_transfer has nothing with alsa? | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | that's new one | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:37 |
| ol_schoola | ahhh, i c | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :), maybe sdl uses alsa :/ | 22:38 |
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| AStorm | no | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: http://pastebin.com/f2e3288fd | 22:38 |
| AStorm | I forced alsa | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's my config | 22:38 |
| AStorm | now I set sdl_audiodriver to alsa | 22:39 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: testing | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | thx KotCzarny | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mplayer works with alsa fine over a2dp | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kinda... | 22:40 |
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| ol_schoola | has anyone been using the motorola stero blurtooth set? | 22:41 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: fail | 22:41 |
| AStorm | 0 sound here | 22:41 |
| ol_schoola | stereo bluetooth | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
| AStorm | I can't kill esd btw | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | stopit with rc script | 22:41 |
| AStorm | yep | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or killall for sum dsmetool lovin | 22:42 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: triple whammy | 22:44 |
| AStorm | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-runtime.c: 77: _dl_fixup: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 22' failed! | 22:44 |
| AStorm | :P | 22:44 |
| AStorm | mplayer .27 | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vdso! :p rubbish j/k | 22:44 |
| AStorm | now esd got rfestarted by ui | 22:46 |
| AStorm | suck | 22:46 |
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| AStorm | I need asym | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think it would be interesting if ppl managed to compile working, newer versions of the stock, base software (esd, matchbox, gstreamer, bluez etc) | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | compilation is not a problem | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | keeping it stable is | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:51 |
| keesj | upgrade the toolchain perhaps ? | 22:51 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | i'd accept losing stabilty for newer components :) | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | no, you won't | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | believe me, my n800 already feels like that ;) :p | 22:52 |
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| AStorm | how do I get rid of that esd, w/o disabling system sounds? | 22:55 |
| AStorm | hmm | 22:57 |
| AStorm | crash w/ pcm1 and pcm_rec1 | 22:58 |
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| AStorm | device busy with pcm0/pcm_rec | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | try 2 and 3 too | 22:58 |
| AStorm | no | 22:58 |
| AStorm | esd is still starting | 22:59 |
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| AStorm | even wo system sounds | 22:59 |
| AStorm | and after I removed it with update-rc.d | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | maybe autodetection in mplayer starts it | 22:59 |
| AStorm | reboot is warranted | 22:59 |
| AStorm | nah, it's ui | 22:59 |
| AStorm | brb, reboot | 22:59 |
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| Grackle | Is /etc/osso-af-init/maemo-af-desktop.sh a standard script? I don't seem to have it. | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | sudo apt-get install kids-in-bed | 23:25 |
| AStorm | well | 23:25 |
| AStorm | alsa is sloow with plug inbetween | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get: can't install kids-in-bed because of conflict: tv-set and internet is installed | 23:26 |
| AStorm | I mean, through that pcm2 | 23:26 |
| lcuk | its actually complaining about warm weather | 23:26 |
| lcuk | ive tried all sorts of bribes and we have just got back in after playing football | 23:27 |
| Proteous | sudo make me breakfast | 23:27 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: is it playing well for you? | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: let me check, i know i was playing with it before it started working | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: cold shower? | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:29 |
| AStorm | ok, audio is mixed in sw | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | alsa-init: buffer_time: 0, period_time :0 | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | working all right | 23:30 |
| AStorm | which is too slow | 23:30 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | try: renice 0 `pidof Xomap` | 23:31 |
| AStorm | I have that | 23:31 |
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| AStorm | it is sound which is eating cpu like mad | 23:32 |
| AStorm | with pcm2 and 3 | 23:32 |
| AStorm | with pcm1 I get device busy | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | try 0 or 1 ? | 23:32 |
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| KotCzarny | load on my nokia is ~0.4-0.5 playing mp3 | 23:33 |
| AStorm | device busy | 23:33 |
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| AStorm | maybe it's some mipid_esd in the bg | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | so it's more of novelty than usable output | 23:33 |
| AStorm | reboot once again (moved esd out) | 23:34 |
| AStorm | ahha | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# ps ax|grep esd | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | 118 root SW< [mipid_esd] | 23:34 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 23:34 |
| AStorm | maybe just cpu load is too high | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | may be | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | cpu is at 400mhz | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | |> Playing Wilki i Robert Gawlinski - Nie stalo sie nic - Robert Gawlin.mp3. | 23:35 |
| AStorm | heh | 23:36 |
| AStorm | suck then | 23:36 |
| AStorm | we need non-esd optimized sound mixing | 23:37 |
| AStorm | esd is cheating somehow | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | esd sucks cpu | 23:37 |
| NullM0dem | esd should run on desktops | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it does? :/ | 23:38 |
| AStorm | it runs here | 23:38 |
| AStorm | and somehow it doesn't suck cpu | 23:38 |
| AStorm | while alsa does | 23:38 |
| NullM0dem | a small jackd would be nice | 23:38 |
| AStorm | still, why is the device busy? | 23:38 |
| AStorm | (pcm0 and 1) | 23:38 |
| AStorm | nothing should be using it | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | and apparently does | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:39 |
| AStorm | one more reboot? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | fuser ? | 23:39 |
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| AStorm | multimediad | 23:40 |
| AStorm | grrr | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:40 |
| * briand will be back in a few... I'm headed out to look at the CaseLogic case for my n800 & iGo.. and add some asbestos to my InternetSurfingSuit. ;) | 23:40 | |
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| AStorm | how do I kill a dsp task? | 23:44 |
| AStorm | that mipid_esd | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | don't | 23:46 |
| AStorm | ok | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:46 |
| AStorm | pcm1 and pcm0 aren't set in dsp config | 23:46 |
| AStorm | only pcm2 is | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | can't send directly to the deviice, btw | 23:47 |
| AStorm | with standard hw | 23:47 |
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| AStorm | I get "invalid ioctl" | 23:48 |
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| AStorm | probably a kernel issue | 23:49 |
| AStorm | (e.g. missing alsa driver :P) | 23:49 |
| AStorm | btw, what is this aep dsp task? | 23:50 |
| AStorm | other are sound fmt decoders | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | aep? | 23:51 |
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| AStorm | yup | 23:52 |
| AStorm | might be a corruption of eap? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | never noticed that one | 23:52 |
| AStorm | I'll stop that dsp tasklet | 23:52 |
| AStorm | hmm, can't | 23:54 |
| AStorm | restart is disabled | 23:54 |
| AStorm | I'll comment that module out and see | 23:55 |
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| Grackle | Can anyone tell me anything about maemo-af-desktop? I've been looking at alternate window managers to see how others are setting them up, and one step seems to stop maemo-af-desktop, but I don't have that file.. | 23:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Grackle, do you have at least 2gb mmc? if so, look into kde. | 23:58 |
| Grackle | I have a 1GB mmc. I don't want KDE, though. | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | i have a 1gb micro sd - its got a micro to mini converter thing. if i now go out and pick up an 8gb micro card will the converter i have now work for the larger capacity model? | 23:59 |
| Grackle | yeah | 23:59 |
| Grackle | The cards are the same electrically | 23:59 |
| lcuk | cool :D so i am over my hump and my n810 is micro compatible | 23:59 |
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