IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-05-03

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konttoriJasonWoof: you need to setup the desktop file and run :00:02
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JasonWoofkonttori: that makes it so I can run the sdl app on my laptop, using the tablet as display?00:11
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lardmanevening all00:12
JasonWoofkonttori: sorry, brain malfunction.00:12
konttoriThat just allows you to get the window to the window list.00:12
flo_laphi lardman00:12
konttoriMight be that you also need to do a bit more.00:12
lardmanhi flo_lap00:12
JasonWoofso if I set the window title it should be ok?00:12
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jottJasonWoof: actually you need to set that particular env var (SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS) and make a proper desktop file00:14
jottJasonWoof:  see Application name (for the Task Navigator)00:15
JasonWoofahh, I was about to ask for a tutorial.00:15
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lardmanssvb: I'd appreciate your thoughts on mu framebuffer issues, and my not-so-good conversion code00:16
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jotthmm actually the tutorial is a bit misleading as the StartupWMClass is not set to the same value as the env var ;)00:17
jottjust be sure to follow the StartupWMClass == SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS00:17
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JasonWoofcan I just put this in main(): putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename");00:22
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pupnikMaemo developers:  OMAP3530 'Pandora' dev units obtainable real soon now.
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flo_lapsounds pretty cool00:33
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JasonWoofjott: I can't get the wmclass stuff to work. I tried exporting it in the terminal, before running my program, and sticking the putenv() line in my program, at the begining, and after sdl_init()00:34
jottJasonWoof: important part is the .desktop file00:34
JasonWoofdo I have to have one?00:35
JasonWoofit's just a stand-alone binary00:35
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jottJasonWoof: yes, the hildon borkness reads the desktop files and matches the startupwmclass against the wmclass of the launched applications00:37
pupnikLooks like Qt for embedded may be moving faster than Hildon atm.00:37
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jott"code less, create more" is true after all :)00:38
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JasonWoofgrrr... ok, where do I put this .desktop file?00:38
pupniksome documentation reading is in order JasonWoof00:38
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JasonWoofI'm having a hard time dealing with this... the WM just ignores windows that aren't custom built for the tablet?00:39
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JasonWoofit allows them to open, but then won't allow you to bring them to the front?00:40
JasonWoofwho's idea was this?00:40
jottJasonWoof: more or less, yes00:40
lardmanJasonWoof: No, I think that's just SDL windows, normal X windows appear ok00:40
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JasonWooflardman: ok, that I can deal with... maybe00:40
JasonWoofwill it behave fullscreen?00:40
pupnikITOS is not designed for multiple windows layered over each other and sliding around00:40
JasonWoofpupnik: that's one of the things I like about it00:41
lardmanthough in the first releases they used to disappear (into the bg, never to be brought back again), which was rather annoying00:41
JasonWoofI hate layered windows00:41
jottJasonWoof: yes, and you have to create a .desktop file anyway to make it accessible from the menus :)00:41
JasonWoofI want to run it from the terminal so I can see the debugging output00:41
pupnikbtw what are you working on that uses sdl JasonWoof ?00:41
JasonWoofa little fractal renderer thing00:42
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pupniki run sdl apps from cmd line without .desktop file00:42
lardmanJasonWoof: well do so in the first instance, and kill it if it goes to the bg00:42
pupnikbut yes, if they go into background, you can't not bring them to front iirc00:42
JasonWoofto be specific:
KotCzarnypupnik: kciconsbox00:43
jottpupnik: sure this works (i also run most apps from terminal), but if you deploy them you have to create a desktop file for usability sakes ;)00:43
lardmanpupnik: Is that some issue with SDL apps?00:43
lardmanjott: yes00:43
JasonWooflardman: that's what I've been doing. kinda lame though00:43
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jottyou can also do "matchnox-remote -next" until you find your window ..heh00:43
pupnikty jott00:43
KotCzarnyjott: kciconxbox :>00:44
KotCzarnyerm. kciconsbox00:44
pupniknever heard of it KotCzarny00:44
jottKotCzarny: matchbox-remote is fine ;)00:44
JasonWoofjott: sweet00:44
KotCzarnypupnik: i have told you about it few times00:44
pupnikoh don't remember then :)00:44
lcukpupnik, its kots app lister which lists and allows bringing back any app (i believe)00:44
lcukevening chaps)00:44
KotCzarnyhi lcuk00:44
lardmanhi lcuk00:44
* lcuk is dying00:44
JasonWoofwell, sure, if I make a .deb to release this thing, I'd surely have to make a .desktop file. I'm just suprised the interface breaks without it.00:45
lcuknetcraft confirmed it00:45
pupnikthat's bad00:45
* KotCzarny is quite well00:45
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lcuki have been snoozing since i got back earlier - its highly unlike me00:45
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jottJasonWoof: ah good ol'e koch .. has some nice properties00:45
lcukKotCzarny, did i describe it right?00:46
KotCzarnylcuk: quite00:46
JasonWoofjott: yeah, I had fun with it. Instead of replacing each segment with the usual witch-hat shape, I made it so you can click out whatever shape you like00:46
lcukthats a bonus then00:46
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JasonWoofjott: add in a cool trick to go below the level of pixels, and it looks damn cool00:47
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jottJasonWoof: actually it's more of an l-system then ;)00:49
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jottbut yeah with general l-systems you can do pretty neat things00:49
JasonWoofjott: I really don't know the theory or terminology.00:50
lcukl-systems == koch snowflakes?00:50
lcukahh yes00:50
jottlcuk: not really00:50
jottlcuk: you can encode a koch curve with an l-system though ;)00:52
JasonWoofI like watching the shape morph realtime as you drag the points around00:53
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lcukJasonWoof,  you can do that with IFS as well00:54
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lcukspeaking of which - would fractint port to the 810? or is it too entrenched in x86 to work well00:55
jottthere is a xaos port afair00:56
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pupniki built xaos but it had rendering errors01:01
pupnikis there a fixed one?01:01
pupnik@ jott01:01
jotti guess it was yours then ..01:01
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jottJasonWoof: you can create quite nice pictures with your xkoch :)01:02
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JasonWoofjott: thanks :)01:04
jottJasonWoof: you should also allow hue values (or something else) for coloring01:04
JasonWoofjott: how? like each segment is a different color?01:05
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JasonWoofor just cycle though some kind of gradient/palette instead of just black->white01:06
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jottJasonWoof: yes something like this01:06
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JasonWoofoh, another way to do color would be to shift colors slowly as it draws from start to finish01:06
JasonWoofI should try that01:07
JasonWooftrouble is... how fash should it shift through them01:07
JasonWoofI have no idea how long the thing is until I'm done01:07
jottJasonWoof: hehe computing the length of those curves is a funny thing01:08
jottbut you could maybe lerp the segments01:08
nomisare the maemo mirrors dead again?01:08
lardmanJasonWoof: Do a gradient which is related to the absolute screen position01:09
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lardmanrather than the length of the line drawn on the screen01:10
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JasonWoofI'm more interested in doing things that you couldn't juts do with the gimp after01:11
lardmanwell it will look nice and be computationally (reasonably) trivial01:11
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jotthm lerp should also be quite easy to implement (i.e. lerp segments on each iteration)01:14
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JasonWoofjott: oh, I forgot to ask... what's lerp?01:15
jottlinear interpolation01:15
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JasonWoofjott: interpolate through a color pallete?01:18
jottbasically, yes.01:18
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JasonWoofI really like that idea01:18
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JasonWoofI imagine with the simpler shapes, it could show more clearly how they are made, and for the more chaotic/blobby ones it might make the blobby parts coherent/interesting01:19
JasonWoofjust requires me to tripple the size of my biggest buffer01:20
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JasonWooflets see... 800*480*4*3 = 460800001:22
JasonWoofeesh, that's 4.5MB01:22
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jottJasonWoof: when compiling for the n8x0 you should use CFLAGS like -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s and maybe also -ffast-math to make use of the vfp for your float operations01:25
jottor go for fixed point arithmetic ;)01:26
lardmanfixed point is probably better01:27
JasonWoofno floating point hardware on the n810?01:27
lardmantremor is faster/less intensive than vorbis for example01:27
JasonWoofjott: thanks for the cflags advice, I'll make a note01:27
lardmanJasonWoof: yes there is01:27
lcukyes, but default compile mode == thumb assembler which doesnt have FP operations01:27
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lcuk(i believe)01:28
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lardmanlcuk: is it that, or that the toolchain defaults to soft-float?01:28
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JasonWoofI'm just guessing here... but this: "-mfloat-abi=softfp" looks like it's asking for software floating point calculations...01:28
lcuki think its just toolchain defaults to thumb - smaller instructions == smaller binary01:28
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lardmanJasonWoof: that's the abi, the -mfpu flag tells it what to use01:29
lardmanmeans the two can coexist01:29
lcukand simpler for gcc to optimise for (since its most like other instruction sets).   full arm asm has a lot of niceness which is hard to compile for efficiently i believe01:29
JasonWooffunny, my fractal thing seemed to run pretty fast anyway, I'll try it this way01:29
lcukJasonWoof, you will probably find that for these kind of subdivision fractals it will be drawing speed which lags more than the algo (unless you are doing whole recursion steps in one go)01:30
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JasonWoofwoh, those flags made a huge difference01:33
lcukheh - and note the site name before clicking - has this girl got an l system on her stomach
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JasonWooflcuk: the part that's really slow draws off screen until done, then figures gama, and eventually blits01:34
JasonWoofI just used the flags on my game (vor) and it made a noticeable difference when you explode01:37
JasonWoof(previously there was a huge frame-drop then)01:37
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lardman~lart omapdsp on 770 for being different01:39
* infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, omapdsp on 770, this won't hurt a bit...." for being different01:39
lardmansomeone's being teaching infobot....?01:39
pupnikboo lcuk.  that's not an lsystem.01:40
lcukits pretty though :)01:40
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pupnikBtw:  "a technique for modifying subcutaneous tattoos using special inks has also been patented. It relies upon microencapsulated spheres injected under the skin. Such microencapsulation is typified by eInk's "digital ink" technology for use in electronic paper. A set of drive electrodes manually applied to the skin manipulates the tattoo image electrically."01:43
pupnikimagine surfing the web on your forearm01:44
lcukBlue Arm Of Death!01:45
lcukyou would need the control electronics somewhere for continuous refresh01:45
lcukthe mods they are discussing have to be going getting it changed by swiping some kind of wand or plate over01:46
jottlcuk: there is plenty of space in our bodies01:46
Naviespecially with people that have a lot of surface area.01:46
lardmanI thought that eInk stuff didn't need to be refreshed01:46
lcukif you have a larger surface area you just put more regular tatoos01:47
lcukif you run out of space, just eat a few more cheezeburgers01:47
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lcuklardman, it doesnt unless you want to change it01:47
pupnik"i'm not fat, just hi-res"01:47
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lcukheh, and if you ever lose weight, you would hope your tatoos would reduce to a higher dpi01:48
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lcukunfortunately they just end up stretching01:48
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lcukwhos seen this btw:
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cyberholicGood evening everyone :)01:49
term-signot me, i`m blind mate.01:49
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cyberholicI am working on a PIM that gets its data from an online API - wich one would you say is the most used one?01:50
lcukwell that just puts an end to another damn fine plan.01:50
cyberholicOr in other ways: what would you consider as the best solution to save your contacts online?01:51
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lcukmy contacts want to be with me - why would i consider keeping them online?01:52
* lardman wonders why the DSP is complaining about a buffer 0x25800 in length when it's actually 768000 bytes long01:52
cyberholiclcuk: i was astonished about - keeping your contacts always synced. this way you would always have the latest and correc contact. For example: if one of your friends changes his/her phone number, you do not have to enter it, it happens automaticly.01:53
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lcukhuh? so other people can fuck around with my contact list?01:53
cyberholicwell, just if they change their number.01:54
lcukif i make a contact for someone and link them to a specific picture and ringtone (mother in law - death march - dragon etc)01:54
cyberholicimagine that someone changes his work-address. instead of you having to enter the new one, the system automaticly updates it.01:54
lcuki dont want them to know01:54
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elbI don't know anything about this system, but that's not at all what cyberholic is suggesting01:55
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lcuklardman, is it possible that you are breaking outside the 768k window by starting to write somewhere near the end?01:55
cyberholiclcuk: lol. it's not about the content that you order it to, it is about the content itself. You do not need to change a number as the owner by changing his contact ID offers you the new number.01:55
lardmanlcuk: this is the loader complaining that there's something wrong with the task (which works on the N800 curiously)01:56
lardmanlcuk:  omapdsp: illegal mmap buffer address(0xe0210000) or length(0x25800).  It needs to be page-aligned and located at external memory.01:56
lcukthe thing is, something like that contact system requires that everyone must also use the same service.  at present most dont01:57
lcuklardman, this is on 770 then?  did they change the page size and stuff01:57
cyberholiclcuk: well, that is why WAS so great: they brought all your contacts together at one place. They have a great sync tool, but now they jumped on the social-networking train and try to beat facebook. In my opinion this is going to break their necks!01:58
lardmanlcuk: looks like something is different; will have to trawl the kernel code again. I don't like the way the size is wrong though01:58
lcuki remember when i used to have messenger my contacts in outlook would update when people updated their messenger details01:58
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cyberholicluck: thats the point!01:59
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lcukyer but that was contacts that i spoke to01:59
cyberholicat the moment i am trying out so many APIs that i might even think about using the microsoft LIVE one *sigh* ....01:59
cyberholiclopz: buenas!01:59
jottcyberholic: or do some nice aggregation and join all major sources02:00
lopzhey cyberholic ¿Cómo estás?02:00
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cyberholicjott: that is exactly what i am doing! I am working on a full 800x480 PIM :)02:00
cyberholiclopz: solo hablo un puouco espanol. So please try to speak english, so that others also understand!02:00
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lopzhey cyberholic ¿How are you?02:01
lardmannight all02:01
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jldiazanother spanish speaker here02:01
lopzjldiaz, you speak spanish ?02:01
jldiazI'm spanish :-)02:01
* lopz spanish02:02
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felipecyo tmb02:02
cyberholici'm portuguese.02:02
jldiazfrom portuguese I only remember the word for ham :-)02:02
jldiazbecause in spanish it has a completly different meaning02:03
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JasonWoofwhy does my bluetooth keyboard lag?02:03
cyberholicif i won't find anything that fits, i might build an address-book Mojo for the *gg*.... how much sql database space would i need to save all the contacts taht you people know? 200 terrabytes? lol.02:03
jldiazI'm still playing with x2x and the NIT02:04
cyberholicwhat is x2x?02:04
jldiazIt is an X-window application02:05
cyberholicany screenshots somewhere?02:05
jldiazwhich can capture all X-window input events in a machine and send it to another one02:05
jldiazno screenshot is possible, actually02:05
cyberholicah ok.02:05
jldiazit does not shows up anything, but it allows for a strange application02:05
jldiazI can use my NIT to control the mouse of my PC02:06
jldiazkinda digitizer tablet02:06
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jldiazeven without installing x2x in the NIT (besides, it is not ported to maemo afik)02:06
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jldiazanyone knows how the pressure information of the nit touchscreen is reported to applications?02:08
jldiazit is part of X-window standard, or a particular extension?02:08
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jldiazI'm unable to find documentation on the matter02:08
jldiazhi atlas9502:08
atlas95I search how to sync my maemo eds contact and my ubuntu evolution contact02:09
atlas95is it possible?02:09
atlas95hello jldiaz02:09
lcukjldiaz, its an extension02:09
term-siganyone using openbox or other wm?02:10
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jldiazthankyou lcuk02:14
jldiazcan it be faked through Xtst?02:16
lcuki dont know, i just use it as described there02:16
cyberholiclcuk: can you tell me where and how the contacts data is saved on my device?02:16
lcukthat would depend upon which program you were using cyberholic.  as it stands i dont have any so couldnt locate them02:16
jldiazI'm interested in capturing the mouse position and pressure in the n810 and send it to a desktop PC, where it can be used by applications such as the gimp02:17
jldiazin order to use the n810 as a digitizer02:17
jldiazI'll do some research02:17
cyberholicthnx my friend!02:17
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JasonWoofjldiaz: let me know if you figure it out!02:18
lcukjldiaz, what would you display on the tablet itself?02:18
lcukthe gimp rendered display?02:18
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jldiazthis is a good point02:18
jldiazinitially, the tablet screen would be blank02:19
jldiazotherwise it would be a kind of vnc02:19
lcukyou could certainly setup some kind of custom app and actually draw onto the proper omap canvass02:19
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dick-richardsonwhere's the default homepage on the device?02:20
jldiazI'm thinking of a version of x2x which carries out the pressure information02:20
lcuktell ppl to get a cheap $15 tablet if thats all they need, otherwise have a look at the painting apps currently on the device02:20
lcuk:D kot02:20
* lcuk snorted02:20
fireunok, I'm back - my 770s wont connect at home, but work at the local cafe - the wifi browser doesnt find APs but kismet does. I've installed wireless-tools and using iwlist wlan0 scan - I get "Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument"02:20
fireunany ideas?02:21
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fireunI've read on the tableteer forums that there might be a problem with the 770/maemo and 802.11n nodes, scrambles the 770s wifi card or somesuch02:22
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* fireun sits back to wait02:22
jenjenhey nigs02:22
jenjenim bored02:22
jldiazhow many pressure levels does the tablet report?02:22
|thunde1My n800 will no longer mount a ext2 formtd sdhc card. Wtf??02:23
KotCzarnyi think ~51202:23
lcukerrr a value between about 800 (light touch) to about 100 for heavy (maybe even lower for terminal pressure)02:23
KotCzarnyor 256 but with offset02:23
jenjenyeah i forgot the 5 and 102:23
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KotCzarnybut usually less02:24
KotCzarnyand uneven02:24
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lcukactually, it is less - minimun normal pressure is about 500 if my notes are right02:25
* lcuk was sure he had another set 02:26
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lcukif i want to list the lines found inside all files in a folder do i use grep02:28
dick-richardsonwhere's the default homepage on the device?02:28
lcukits ok i found the line i wanted02:29
lcuk/ mouse pressure ranges 97 hardest,   803 lightest02:29
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KotCzarnyswiss chief rulez02:34
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lcukthat cake is so well done02:34
* KotCzarny agrees02:35
KotCzarnyi wonder if it's edible02:35
lcuki doubt i could eat it02:35
lcukthough i would get some kind of sick pleasure from munching on miss piggy02:35
lcuki wonder if she tastes of bacon02:36
KotCzarnypeeking under the dress?02:36
lcukyou could just snap off kermits arm02:37
jldiazKotCzarny, I discovered that the x2x experiment can involve up to three computers02:37
jldiaztoday I ran x2x on my office desktop, and it got the input from the nokia, and send these events to my home PC02:37
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jldiazall this complexity is needed because I cannot install x2x on my home pc02:38
jldiaznor in the nokia02:38
jldiazbut I want to control my home pc from the nokia02:38
jldiazso I use my office PC as intermediate :-)02:38
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KotCzarnyi think anything is doable, with enough tinkering02:39
jldiazthe amazing in this case is that not much tinkering was required :)02:39
jldiazI run at the home PC the command: ssh -X officePC02:40
jldiaz(this creates the DISPLAY :11 in the officePC, which is connected to my home display :0)02:40
jldiazand then I run in the nokia the command: ssh -X officePC x2x -to :1102:41
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jldiazthat's all02:41
KotCzarnyget your scratchbox running and just compile x2x for armel02:41
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jldiazit is more fun this way02:43
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KotCzarnybut with x2x on device you can start it directly02:44
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dick-richardsonI changed my homepage and want the original back :/03:09
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lcukyou mean the tableteer link on the front or your actual homepage03:13
lcukdick-richardson ^03:13
jldiazHmm... youtube complaints about my flash version in the n81003:15
jldiazfew days before all was ok03:16
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jldiazanyone recognizes these symptoms?03:16
oceanvessel__hi there03:16
jldiazhi oceanvessel__03:16
oceanvessel__no clicking after doing xrandr on tablet pc03:17
oceanvessel__it does track the pointer though03:17
KotCzarnyhave you installed modified kernel too?03:17
oceanvessel__any suggestions???03:17
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jldiazKotCzarny, are u talking to me?03:18
KotCzarnyto oceanvessel03:18
jldiazok :)03:18
oceanvessel__oh ok03:18
oceanvessel__no need to03:18
oceanvessel__only modified driver03:18
oceanvessel__it's actually03:18
KotCzarnythat's on nokia?03:18
oceanvessel__the fpit drive03:18
oceanvessel__no it's not03:18
jldiazhas youtube changed the required flash version? Or did I screwed somehow my flash plugin?03:18
KotCzarnythen i don't know :)03:19
oceanvessel__thanks, anyway03:19
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dick-richardsonlcuk: actual homepage03:22
jldiazhmm, fixed03:22
jldiazi've got deactivated the plugins in microb03:22
jldiazhow could that happens? I didn't touch the configuration..03:22
lcukdick-richardson, simply: home.html03:23
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dick-richardsonslick, thank yoU!03:25
* lcuk keeps defaults if they are intelligent03:26
dick-richardsonlcuk: yeah, moment of weakness03:26
lcukive just made 3 shortcuts and numbered them - they display at the top of the shortcuts list, my homepage is default but my favs are available without scrolling03:27
lcuk0 numpty levels  ...  1 slashdot   ...   works well enough, a shame though the list is alpha sorted03:28
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dick-richardsonnext issue: I have a command line utility that I need to change the first argument passed. how does that work?03:29
dick-richardson1=desiredtext doesn't work03:30
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lcukif its command line dont u just run it from the command line03:30
dick-richardsonyeah, but I'm trying to simplify a friend of mine's username to his real world name03:31
lcukthe numbering is for the bookmark list, not normal links03:31
dick-richardsonno, separate issue03:31
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dick-richardsonI have a script that uses a case statement. I want to change the first argument to the script to something else03:35
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lcuki dunno, i have about as much skill with the command line as i do at ironing03:36
KotCzarnyand how much it is?03:36
term-siglcuk: dont be shy. ;)03:44
jldiaz "Positional parameters may not be assigned to with assignment statements" (from bash manual)03:45
dick-richardsoncan I discard the first one?03:46
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* pupnik_ is afraid to go back into #bash03:49
pupnik_well that was with a smiley :)03:49
pupnik_there's some crazy stuff goin on in there man03:49
dick-richardsonI'll go...should've thought of that initially03:50
lcuki got scared by the #c channel03:50
jldiazdick-richardson, I think that "shift" will do the trick03:50
term-siglcuk: oh! maybe u want told us why u get scared?03:52
term-sigok, bed time.03:53
jldiazme too03:53
jldiazbuenas noches03:53
* lcuk was scared by the fanatisism re pre inc and post inc when the result was being thrown away03:54
lcuk{ ++a;  } vs  { a++; }03:54
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derfAnyone fanatic about that is an idiot.03:57
KotCzarnyare you fanatic about that?03:57
derfI'm fanatic about not being fanatic.03:58
lcukno, it was the last time i opened that chan03:58
lcuki tried to shout "what the fuck does it matter" but found out the chan was registered only03:58
* lcuk wanted to vent03:58
KotCzarnytry ircnet sometimes too03:58
derfIt actually _does_ matter in C++. But not C.03:59
lcukderf it only matters if you have overloaded the operators03:59
KotCzarnyc++ is overloaded03:59
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derfBut when everyone's always using some kind of smart pointer or iterator or some crazy fool thing, that's quite common.04:00
derfIf they aren't, they might as well be using C.04:01
dick-richardsonI hear Java's the wave of the future04:01
lcuknahh, lisp is :)04:02
KotCzarnynah, we are gonna die04:02
lcukfunctional programming on multiple cores scales much better than anything04:02
lcuknot before linuxtag i hope04:03
dick-richardsonyou realize we're all geeks04:03
lcukspeak for yourself :P04:03
derf"functional programming" doesn't inherently make anything more parallelizable.04:04
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pupnik_good quote04:07
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dick-richardsonthere has to be a better solution for twitter than what I'm doing04:07
dick-richardsonposting from the command line, receiving direct messages via email, and other updates via rss04:07
lcukpick up a bit of python and hack yourself a mini tweet screen04:08
lcukim actually surprised there isnt something for it already04:08
dick-richardsonI liked the IM option, but I want to be flooded with missed updates while I was offline04:08
dick-richardsonthere is mitter04:08
dick-richardsonnot sure if mitter would do it or not...should give it a shot04:09
lcuki shudder to think what good information has been lost by learning that a twitter message is known as a tweet04:10
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dick-richardsonbrain structure is hierarchical, you should be fine04:10
derfNo, the brain is very good at forgetting things that are not actually important.04:11
KotCzarnyor worse, as a 'twit'04:12
lcukno, thats the user ;)04:12
dick-richardsonor a listener of leo laport's weekly podcast04:12
lcuki need sleep04:13
lcuknite folks04:13
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KotCzarnynite lcuk04:13
dick-richardsonsleep well04:13
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pupnikdang, i love mplayer.  35% cpu playing back 420x340 @ 15fps XViD04:26
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KotCzarnyis there life after mplayer?04:28
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pupnikmaybe omap3430 and some hardware decompression04:30
pupnikunfortunately that might have limited codec support04:30
KotCzarnyassuming there will be drivers04:30
* pupnik pees on software patents04:30
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KotCzarnypeeing on software patents is patented, sorry04:31
KotCzarnyyou have to pay04:32
KotCzarnyi wonder when someone will patent breathing04:32
KotCzarnythat would generate nice amount of money04:32
KotCzarnymost probably though someone patents 'air in a can'04:33
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pupnikIt's so fun to crunch down video size and find good settings04:34
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pupnikcrunching a 249MB lecture to 87 MB atm and the result looks *better04:35
dick-richardsonhard lock in linux :(04:35
pupnikout of swap?  xorg crash?04:35
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KotCzarnyflaky hw?04:35
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zionisn't the point of using apt to get away from dependency hell?04:54
KotCzarnybut then you face repository hell04:54
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zionI just tried to install mameo-pan. and it needed bluez-util04:55
zionalso, there seem to be a *lot* of apps depending on libhildonfm2 which I can't find04:55
zionisn't maemo the central repo?04:55
dick-richardsondoes diablo include aptitude?04:55
dick-richardsonI'll take repo hell over .dll hell04:56
zionI just find this a bit confusing since I haven't seen this in other distros.04:56
dick-richardsonyeah, the maemo repo situation hasn't been nearly as solidified as some others04:57
zionok. so the red-pill mode is suppose to switch to the unstable repo?04:57
dick-richardsonno, red pill mode just gives you...deeper...access to the system04:58
dick-richardsonsomeone else could probably describe it better04:59
dick-richardsonI think of it as a 'pre-root' mode04:59
zionok... cause when I switch, it gives me a list of debs which I can't update04:59
zionin the 'should be updated list'04:59
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dick-richardsonI've found to be the best repo source05:00
zionok. so maemo is the virgin bundle and nothing else?05:01
zionthats just silly05:01
dick-richardsonwelcome to a platform in development ;)05:02
KotCzarnyat least software is available05:02
zionfor some definiton of 'available' ;)05:03
KotCzarnyi prefer troubled instal to no instal at all05:03
zionyeah... I wanted an open hackable device, openmoko wasn't far enough along05:03
dick-richardsonthis is much closer, there's a lot to like05:04
zionyep, been using it and having fun so far05:04
zionhave never seen repos breeding like rabbits before05:04
zionthere is layman in gentoo... but thats pretty well organized05:05
dick-richardsonuh oh...a gentoo user05:05
* zion emitts an evil laugh05:05
dick-richardsonisn't there an alarm we're suppose to sound or something?05:06
zionis it a lack of maintainers for the maemo repo?05:07
KotCzarnymaybe it's easier to whip up an own repo than to mess with ?05:07
zionhave sb running and could help test/verify debs ...05:07
dick-richardsonI don't believe so...I think it's more that Nokia official programmers have their hands tied to some degree05:07
dick-richardsonhence the proliferation of 'unofficial' repos05:08
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zionok... apparently I need to do some more diggin to figure out what everything is05:09
zionis there a fork of maemo then? that seems like a forkable issue if ppl can't contribute to the main repo05:09
zionor have I fundamentally misunderstood something when I saw n8x0 == open linux based platform?05:10
dick-richardsonnot contributing the main repo isn't seen in this community as a critical flaw since you can (fairly) easily add the hacker repos05:10
KotCzarnyyou can contribute to maemo.org05:10
KotCzarnyit's just laziness for the most part i think05:11
zionah! ok05:11
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zionwell, I will poke around some more then. thnx for the quick overview05:12
dick-richardsonnp, welcome!05:12
dick-richardsonknowing your kind, it won't be long until gentoo is ported :P05:13
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fysawas kaltsi doing the updated wiimote support?05:27
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dick-richardsonI still can't find why my system locked. wasn't X or swap...05:37
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NaviTama^2, hi05:49
Tama^2ohh Navi :)05:49
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Tama^2it's unusually quiet in here05:50
zionnewb question: is there an imap client which allows for folder subscriptions?05:55
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zionjust found that06:04
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dick-richardsoni use gpe06:04
dick-richardsoncalendar, contacts, and todo06:04
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zionk... there is no export, unless I am missing something06:05
dick-richardsonand summary, for the desktop06:05
dick-richardsonno, export is abysmal06:05
ziongah! ... ok I think something must be borked06:06
zionI can't install a thing without it asking for libhildonfm206:06
dick-richardsondo a search for it at
dick-richardsonlooks like it's in the chinook repo06:07
dick-richardsonyou don't need the temp fix...that was or an issue a while ago that appears to be resolved06:08
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zionok.. this is starting to make me question my iq06:16
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zionI installed the meamo chinook repos... now it refuses to let me install any external software06:17
KotCzarnyyup, version conflicts06:17
zionthis does use apt right? not prm06:18
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zionis there a simple fix for this? or should I just google around?06:21
JasonWoofdoes scratchbox support running graphical programs compiled for arm?06:21
zionJasonWoof, yes use Xephyr06:22
KotCzarnyzion: try running apt-get and see what it says06:22
KotCzarnyand disable any non-default repo06:22
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JasonWoofwow, cool06:23
JasonWoofit's huge!06:28
zionok... apt-get is either working perfectly or borking my n810 completely06:29
zionwill find out soon06:29
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dick-richardsonlove that feeling...but in my case it ended up working perfectly06:30
JasonWoofnow if my laptop were actually much faster than the tablet, this would probably be useful06:34
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zionw00t, it worked06:36
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NaviI can't figure out how to get past Chapter 3 Level 8 on Marbles06:44
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JasonWoofNavi: yeah, that one's tricky07:03
JasonWoofI just got it almost done, and ran out of moves07:03
NaviHow do you do it?07:03
JasonWoofdon't ever put anything in the side columns07:03
NaviI did it once before07:03
JasonWoofthere's gotta be quite a bit of back-and-forth07:03
JasonWoofI think the trick to efficiency is to leave stuff near the middle07:03
NaviOh, I see.07:04
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JasonWoofhah! one move short that time07:06
NaviWhat difficulty are you playing at?07:06
JasonWoofahh, did it that time07:10
JasonWoofthat's cool07:10
JasonWooftrick is you can't lose those both of the following two spots: one above the center crossing and one below the center crossing07:11
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JasonWoofcolors by first letter: red maroon yellow orange green. directions north south east west:07:20
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NaviI beat it with 0 moves left07:20
JasonWoof19 moves: rw oe07:20
JasonWoofgn rws07:20
JasonWoofoe rn mn07:20
JasonWoofmn re me07:21
JasonWoofgs mw gn me ys07:21
JasonWoofmw ow07:21
JasonWoofoops, got yellow and green switched that time07:22
JasonWoofI did it three times before I started logging07:22
JasonWoofoh well, you got it anyway07:23
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JasonWoof16 moves left on row three column 507:34
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JasonWoofmy I feel clever07:34
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LeoTsuichiHave a few questions for anyone.  Is anyone aware of a port of Qt Jambi to the N810?07:44
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Proteousreferb apple airport extreme card for $29.00 on the apple site08:04
Proteousif anyone wants a small wifi access point08:04
Proteouser, not card08:05
Proteousairport extreme access point08:05
Proteousit's just 802.11g but the normal price is $9908:06
LeoTsuichiDoes anyone know if there's docs on nokia's site or maemo on how to utilize the hardware on a Nokia N810?08:08
LeoTsuichinamely the FM tuner, bluetooth, wireless controllers, and the GPS08:08
LeoTsuichiThe external buttons would be nice to detect too  ;-)08:08
ProteousI can give you instructions on how to utilize the n810 hardware to open a can of tuna08:08
Proteousit's ingenous really08:08
LeoTsuichiWow, that was helpful08:09
KotCzarny2x fail08:09
KotCzarnyleot: hw buttons are mapped to f-something08:09
LeoTsuichiI'm thinking of rolling my own distro, but I want to use Java on the N81008:09
KotCzarnyf4, f5 etc08:09
Proteouslet us know how that goes LeoTsuichi08:09
LeoTsuichiIdeally, it would be nice to use Java and QT Jambi08:09
KotCzarnyas for rest of hw, you would have to use nokia's kernel08:10
LeoTsuichiYar, I'm doing that08:10
LeoTsuichiBut not sure how to access the hw08:10
Proteoustiver me shimbers08:10
LeoTsuichiProteus: You're all over that aren't you08:10
LeoTsuichilike spice on curry08:10
* Proteous cries08:10
* LeoTsuichi smacks Proteous08:10
ProteousI'm just a user08:10
LeoTsuichiI could have used a carp but I saved you the trouble  :D08:10
KotCzarnyleot: you can try snatching some info from the debian port for n8x008:11
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LeoTsuichiKot - where's the port?08:11
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LeoTsuichiYar, I'd like to boot this thing in text mode with framebuffer and start X when I want08:12
LeoTsuichilike I said, I'm all over that.08:12
LeoTsuichiI also need to figure out a way to handle it through QEMU08:13
LeoTsuichi... emulation fail.08:14
KotCzarnyuse newer qemu/08:16
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woodwizzleIs there an unzip command in the OS2008 kernel?08:16
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: kernel?08:16
woodwizzlelol, hehe didn't mean that08:17
zpolre xD08:17
woodwizzleis the OS though, by default08:17
KotCzarnyyes, there is (un)zip package08:17
KotCzarnyprobably in extras08:17
woodwizzlei know there is tar, but I'm getting a "invalid tar magic", i think the tar.gz is corrupted so I'm gonna try to unzip it if I can08:17
KotCzarnyit's busybox's tar flakiness08:18
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KotCzarnyie. not supporting all features/formats08:18
woodwizzleis there a way around that? they provide a zip as well. And yeah, I was able to apt-get install unzip08:18
LeoTsuichihmmmm, I'm assuming I should boot into the internal MMC first08:18
LeoTsuichiThen do all this work on the MMC2 card  :o08:18
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: instal normal tar08:18
woodwizzleapt-get install tar says its gonna remove 125 packages :(08:19
KotCzarnythen just download it and unpack tar binary to /usr/bin/local08:20
woodwizzlecan I download the deb via apt-get?08:21
woodwizzleI've only ever apt-get install and apt-get builddep before08:21
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KotCzarnywoodwizzle: use firefox :)08:21
KotCzarnyas for unpacking use: ar x08:22
MrDowntempough, may be quicker just to get the zip package, its pretty small08:22
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MrDowntempoIts gzipped to, I was trying tar -xvvzf mytar.tar.gz08:23
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MrDowntempoIs there a way to open up my file manager and/or firefox to root access?  That way I can download something to /usr/bin/local and then go right there and extract it? otherwise I have to download it to MyDownloads, and then move it frome the terminal :-P08:25
MrDowntempoI guess I could run firefox from a root session in the terminal?08:26
MrDowntempobut I'd prefer to have the default one setup like that.08:26
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: install mc, or ssh-server08:26
MrDowntempoI have ssh server, I do the ssh 0 -l root trick08:27
MrDowntempowhats mc?08:27
KotCzarnythen ssh from windows/linux08:28
KotCzarnythat would make most operations simpler08:28
KotCzarnymc is a nc clone08:28
KotCzarnyfile manager using text mode08:28
MrDowntempowell I have a bluetooth keyboard, so thats not a problem. But I'd like to be able to click on a program from firefox and tell it where I really want it to go. Even midnight commander would be an added step, and no quicker than mv ./myfile /my/destination/08:30
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KotCzarnynot true08:30
KotCzarnywith mc you just press enter on .tar.gz and browse it as local dir08:30
KotCzarnywith f5 acting as a copy08:30
KotCzarnyand f3 as a view08:31
MrDowntempooh thats pretty sweet. Does it use the installed version of tar or would I still need to upgrade that?08:31
KotCzarnyinstalled version08:31
MrDowntempoI don't have function buttons on my iGo stowaway :( Guess I would have to ssh in08:31
KotCzarnyyou do08:32
KotCzarnyprobably with some f key08:32
MrDowntempoah, unzip is working though, and unlike tar I can specify a destination directory with -d08:35
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n800ni'm in a bar09:00
n800ndrinking beer09:00
n800ni love n80009:00
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MrDowntempois it possible to edit the command that menu items run? if i want to add some command line switches and such09:12
KotCzarnyyes, /usr/share/applications/hildon/09:13
MrDowntempohotness =)09:13
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* qwerty12 really needs to add pcspkr to the blacklisted module list...09:47
KotCzarnyor just disconnect it from mb09:47
qwerty12Hmm, 15-20 mins work compared to 5 mins editing a file :p09:48
qwerty12I don't open computers much09:48
KotCzarnyi would say more like 15 sec09:48
qwerty12Infact, when I was using my old computer to softmod my xbox, the old computer nearly went on fire >.<09:49
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qwerty12Because of the pc speaker. Some weird irony :p09:49
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KotCzarnyhow could you set pc on fire because of wc speaker?09:50
KotCzarnyit's really nice trick :)09:51
qwerty12:p Because the way you softmod an xbox with a computer, you have to have them next to each other (the harddrive) and when I was doing it, I knocked the harddrive inside my computer, some wires started melting and smoke was coming out >.<09:52
qwerty12I checked it and the pc speaker wire was burned out09:52
qwerty12so I disconnected it and carried on...09:52
KotCzarnyah, i think metal case of hdd shorted some circuits09:52
qwerty12I think that computer was dumped somewhere. 733Mhz processor and 128MB ram w00t.09:53
KotCzarnynice machine09:53
KotCzarnymy scratchbox box has 128mb and 566 cpu09:54
qwerty12:). Mine has 2.8GHz dual core and 2GB. I used linux on that old computer but I still preferred windows at that time and it had on a 20GB hard drive.09:54
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KotCzarnynice, there is ddwrt for x8609:56
KotCzarnycheap router anyone? :>09:57
qwerty12It had no ethernet and USB 1.1 and I ripped out all the (rubbish) parts from it :p09:57
KotCzarnyi have something like this:
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KotCzarnyi like integrated switch and lcd :)09:59
qwerty12It looks quite nice :)09:59
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KotCzarnyyup, that too09:59
KotCzarnyand i have got it for free :)09:59
KotCzarnycan't beat the price ;)10:00
qwerty12But but what about<whatever>.com10:01
KotCzarnydon't know, i prefer craigslist10:01
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qwerty12true, I use ebay and sometimes  gumtree10:01
KotCzarnyguy was giving it away because his wife was fed up with noise from this machine10:02
KotCzarnyi have modded the fans and it's quiet now :)10:02
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qwerty12lmao, he gave it away as well :p10:03
MrDowntempoKotCzarny: you use tightvnc right?10:03
KotCzarnywoodwizzle: sometimes10:03
MrDowntempoI'm trying to set it up with an SSH tunnel but I think its not working right because I either got the wrong ip and ports in the wrong spots, or I don't have the port forwarding correctly setup on my router10:04
MrDowntempoonce I get it working I'll put it all in a little shell script that I'll run from the menus though =)10:05
KotCzarnyyou don't need port forwarding on router if you use port forwarding in ssh10:05
MrDowntempoAh ok10:05
MrDowntemposhould I turn the port forwarding on the router off then? or does it make a difference?10:05
Proteousyou juust need to port forward to your sshd port10:05
KotCzarnytrick is, if you can get in with ssh, you don't need anything else10:06
Proteousssh -L 5900:localhost:590010:06
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Proteouswell, if your vnc server is on the same machine as your sshd server10:07
Proteouser daemon10:07
MrDowntempodo I need sshd on the vnc machine?10:08
Proteousotherwise it'd be ssh -L 5900:IPofVNCmachine:590010:08
KotCzarnyyou need sshd on the machine that can see destination or source10:08
Proteousno, you just need sshd on the same network as the machine with the vnc server10:08
MrDowntempowell is it ok if I do it on the machine with the vnc server?10:09
Proteousmy sshd machine is not the same as the machine I VNC into10:09
Proteousdo what10:09
MrDowntempoOk cool10:09
Proteousas long as it is sturdy enough10:09
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Proteousand you're not too rough10:09
MrDowntempoIts a quad core  ;)10:10
Proteousharddrives don't like to be shaken too much10:10
KotCzarnyyeah, there can be FIRE10:10
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Proteoustry to keep the fluid drippage to a minimum too10:10
MrDowntemponow my machine is behind a router, Do i use my internet visible ip address or the local network ip address?10:10
Proteousare you outside the router?10:11
Proteousis your ssh server behind the router?10:11
Proteousif so, use the local network IP in your port forward string10:11
qwerty12Proteous, lmao10:11
Proteousssh -L 5900:LocalIP:590010:12
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Proteousand when you connect with your VNC client make sure you are connecting to localhost10:12
MrDowntempoProteous: right now I'm also behind the router, but I want to have it setup so that I can access it when I'm out and about10:13
ProteousI was tunneling VNC through SSH on my 770 teathered to my cell phone10:13
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Proteousyeah, should work the same10:14
MrDowntempoand I think my server is on port 590110:14
Proteousthen using port 5901 in your forwarding string would work much much better then what I was writing10:15
MrDowntempohmm. i got my ssh server installed on the host machine, but I can't seem to login from the tablet on the network. I run ssh -l corey but no connection10:17
MrDowntempoand I did make sure ssh was started by running /etc/init.d/ssh restart10:17
Proteousyou can run netstat --listen and make sure ssh there10:19
MrDowntempofrom the host?10:19
Proteousfrom the machine that sshd is supposidly running on10:20
MrDowntempotcp6       0      0 [::]:ssh                [::]:*                  LISTEN10:20
KotCzarnytcp6 ?10:20
Proteousyou using IPv610:21
MrDowntempoyeah i gots no clue what that is10:21
MrDowntempoi shouldn't be10:21
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MrDowntempomaybe that's the default ;-(10:21
KotCzarnyedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config10:21
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Proteousbye bye10:22
Proteoushit the wrong red "X"10:22
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Proteousnew name, same ssh problems10:22
ProteousI thought you had already worked out your ssh problems before I entered this conversation10:23
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Proteousif I had known I would have STFU10:23
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MrDowntempopoop, dunno why I rebooted10:26
MrDowntempostill no ssh though10:26
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MrDowntempoeven if its using v6 shouldn't it work on a v4 network. Its all backwards compatible right?10:35
Proteousnot sure that tcp6 means IPv610:36
Proteousmy quick google search was inconclusive10:36
KotCzarnyyes, it's ipv6, but it doesn't mean all his machines talk ipv610:36
KotCzarnyor route it10:36
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Proteousseems the tcp6 can mean that the service is listening on ipv4 and ipv610:39
KotCzarnywell, it doesn't work for him ;)10:40
Proteousvery true10:40
MrDowntempovery true indeed10:42
qwerty12malloc is memory allocation right?10:42
ProteousI belive so10:42
MrDowntempoqwerty12: yup10:42
Proteousor some form of digestive aid10:42
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KotCzarnyit's mallox10:44
KotCzarnyi think10:44
skiburDoes Numpty Physics work on N800?  Where is the deb at?10:45
doc|homeit does10:46
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* qwerty12 thinks make and gcc and all the rest suck10:54
qwerty12All I am doing is putting in void *cheat = NULL; and cheat = malloc(512*270); and the rest of the code suddenly has erros.10:54
KotCzarnythen probably there are bugs10:55
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qwerty12But if a DS devkit will happily compile with that line inside :(10:56
qwerty12                                                                                               ^it10:56
KotCzarnybecause it's ok10:56
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qwerty12It's this ROTT port. Except for controls which can be shrugged aside because it's still realitivly (spelling and x-chat spellchecker doesn't have the right spelling) playable except for the freezing during levels. Sometimes it crashes on loading the first level, sometimes not. But when I tried loading second level, it crashed and I spent quite a while playing the first level. Makes it unplayable then.11:01
qwerty12At least save and load works.11:01
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qwerty12Panic scare over. Sigh.11:27
KotCzarnygrammar parser failed11:28
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qwerty12muhahahahahahaahahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa grammerz suckzors fasdas11:28
KotCzarnyzombie nation11:29
qwerty12I dont think my usb port is working.11:30
KotCzarnyplumbing needed?11:31
qwerty12No a new n800, I plugged in charger and usb cable and it kept rebooting and now without usb cable connected, it boots but when I plug it in, it doesn't do anything.11:32
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KotCzarnyi wonder if it starts rebooting randomly now11:32
qwerty12I need to remove powerlaunch from run level 5, it's stopping me from booting.11:33
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qwerty12I am seriously tempted to throw my N800 against a wall.11:34
Stskeepsuse some flasher settings to force it into submission?11:34
qwerty12I don't think it is watchdog rebooting it :(11:35
Stskeepslike setting some boot parameters to force it onto another run level :P11:35
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qwerty12I noticed while booting this morning, the screen was black so I took out the battery.11:36
qwerty12Stskeeps, you can do that?11:36
Stskeeps  --boot, -b [arg]              Boot the kernel with optional cmdline11:36
qwerty12Ah, thanks :)11:36
Stskeepsshould be possible to do something with that, atleast11:36
qwerty12I'm gonna modify initfs to stop it booting in run level 5 soon.11:37
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qwerty12ok, usb port is working fine, I think maemo is being a bitch. "USB device found found at bus 003, device address 009"11:39
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qwerty12solmumaha, if you catch this message later, do you want to test out a new binary for me? I think I've solved freezing problems. I started new game 3 times in a row without it freezing.11:47
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qwerty12Ok, need an opinion, for the icon of the ROTT port, what's better (ignore size): or the pic on this page:
qwerty12I'm serious.12:22
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Veggenhow is the state of scratchbox vs. amd64 nowadays? still need a chroot?12:43
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Veggenseems like. ok, into my chroot it goes.12:49
qwerty12I think you can setarch the install but I read that sb2 works with 64bit.12:50
Veggenhmm, but do I get a bunch of other problems with sb2?12:51
Veggennah, I just go the chroot way. I needed the chroot for other stuff too.12:51
qwerty12I prefer sb1 to sb2 because sb2 integrates more with the host where as sb1 keeps files seperate.12:51
KotCzarnyi like it separate12:52
qwerty12+1 :)12:52
qwerty12Makes it much easier to dig out files.12:52
KotCzarnyor to start over12:52
KotCzarnyafter some serious breakage12:52
qwerty12Meh, for me that = reformat :/12:53
KotCzarnyfor me it's a simple untar12:53
KotCzarny(yes, i have a backup)12:53
Veggenwell, made it rather easy to just make a chroot where I can install whatever I need to run in 32bit mode.12:53
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lcukhey, i am following the " HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting" guide on ITT, ive come to the partitioning part and think the instructions are for 800.  before i destroy the wrong MMC i want to know if i can list which /media/MMC belongs to which /dev/mmcblk14:07
derfType "mount"14:08
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lcukwicked, thanks derf :)14:09
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Cptnodegard dropped into my mail today14:27
Cptnodegarddamn its small14:27
jumpulainstall damn small linux there :)14:29
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pupniknice day outside :)15:29
qwerty12_N800Not bad here. For England... :p15:29
Cptnodegardnice day inside too :D15:33
Cptnodegardraining hsporadically here15:33
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jaskaid prefer rain15:35
* lcuk has shed his winter coat15:39
RST38hsunny and no rain at all here15:41
RST38ha bit dusty though15:41
lcuknow ive got no hair i cant keep a cig behind my ear15:42
lcuk(and its sunny here as well)15:42
_berto_nice day everywhere15:43
johnxgorgeous, cool, slightly overcast day here. It was nice because it's been way too hot and humid the last week...15:48
pupniklcuk.  for presentations, i'd like a 800x600 webcam that does hardware mpeg4 compression and just sends compressed data over usb (1) to the notebook15:50
pupnikwith macro mode of course15:51
pupnikthink there's such a thing?15:51
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lcukthere should be - have you looked at what res you get by using a normal digital camera in webcam mode15:53
pupnikgoogle found a company that's doing RnD for that, but didn't find any products15:53
pupnikyeah my fuji F30 gets 640x480, but it can't focus close-up in video mode15:54
pupnikheh, somehow i doubt nobounds would be good for demoing emulators15:54
lcukmacro zoom in webcam mode15:54
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lcukpupnik, is it possible to use x11vnc for this?16:05
pupnikfor my porpoises nah16:06
lcukcos you are using the raw surface and not x11 primatives/16:06
pupnikplus the point is to show performance, and any framegrabbity stuff will impace that16:07
lcukdont webcams have a focusing nobble16:07
megabyte405only some of them16:08
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lcukyou cant be the first person who wants to do something similar - may be an idea to ask quim how he and others manage it16:09
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ImMelod1how difficult is it to port something in VB to maemo? :)16:11
lcukdepends on the actual project ImMelod1 but ive not seen any basic around.  im a vb dev in day job and just rewrite as required16:11
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konttoriImMelod1: You should be able to convert the code to python relatively easily if its less than few thousand loc16:18
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konttoriconverting to c will be a whole lot more difficult16:19
ImMelod1my hubby is writing something in VB for me so I was going to see if I  could convert it as he writes it16:19
konttorishould be pretty ok on python16:20
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AStormok, fight continues16:22
AStormtime for a newer kernel16:22
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AStormshould be easy16:22
AStorma pity that Vcc control won't work16:22
AStormI could try to port that part of the patch (pretty simple)16:23
AStorm(just a mod of cpufreq writing random GPIOs)16:23
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AStormalternatively, I could take more time and do a proper port16:26
AStormto the ladder ACPI power scheme16:26
AStormas a separate cpufreq driver16:26
RST38hWhat are you currently fighting for?16:26
AStormRST38h: now, run 2.6.2516:26
AStormjust have to upload it and the modules16:27
AStormmaybe apply that patch16:27
RST38hIs there anything worth using in 2.6.25?16:27
RST38hI mean, for a tablet?16:27
AStormcpu scheduler, swap fixes16:27
AStormone downside is missing voltage control16:28
AStormbut I should be able to port that16:28
AStormit's very localized16:28
AStormand ofc make wifi work16:29
AStormalready made it build, let's see if it works too16:29
AStormshould, at least with SLAB memory allocator (old one)16:29
AStormbut I hope the only problem was just a missing export, not some inlined SLAB code16:30
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AStormok, time to experiment16:33
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AStormbattery needs more charging16:34
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fysasomeone is working on a near real-time cpu frequency scaling replacement -- that would help overall responsiveness16:37
AStormnot that much16:37
fysayes, tons16:37
fysait is SERIOUSLY broken16:37
fysaask lcuk.16:37
AStormthe most important problem is cpu sched16:38
lcukit should do - the cpufreq scaling is very hit n miss16:38
lcuksee.. :)16:38
AStormfor non-problematic, use conservative16:38
AStormw/o powersave bias it's very efficient16:38
lcuki can run an app one time and its fast, and another its slow and another its fast then slow then fast ...16:38
fysathe problem is that your high-CPU task is *over* before cpufreq scaling kicks in16:38
AStormfysa: you can tune thresholds16:39
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fysait's not thresholds16:39
fysait's the sampling rate16:39
AStormand decrease ^16:39
lcuktuning threshholds effects ALL apps though - lowering it to 40%ish means that cpu is at high speed more often and battery flattens quicker16:39
AStormofc decreasing sampling rate eats more cpu16:39
fysaAStorm: So you are saying that your suggestion for dealing with cpufreq is to turn the threshold so low that it's basically always clocked high.16:40
AStormlcuk: that's why you should toggle powersave bias too16:40
fysathen what else would that accomplish?16:40
fysado your research.16:40
AStormI did16:40
fysathis is a serious problem.16:40
fysacpufreq is getting TRASHED.16:40
AStormsampling rate is too low16:40
fysayou can stop defending it now.16:40
AStormyes, new acpi controller is better16:40
AStormdon't know if it's possible to use that on the tablet though16:41
lcukastorm, currently the only way i can make a stock os2008 machine run smoothly is to DOUBLE or even triple the workload.  if i run through the entire rendering routine twice it will go smoothly.  that is NOT the best solution16:41
fysawhy do you love cpufreq so much. astorm?16:41
AStormfysa: I don't16:42
AStormtune sampling rate up16:42
fysaI have.16:42
AStormit's VERY low now16:42
fysait's still bullshit.16:42
fysait's still too slow for pressure-sensitive drawing.16:42
fysathe CPU doesn't kick up until after your curve is drawn16:42
fysathe problem is an instantaneous need for high CPU16:42
AStormwhy does that eat so much cpu?16:42
AStormit shouldn't16:43
fysathe sampling rate of the touch interface16:43
lcukif no real solution can be found, it would be a reasonable compromise to mark my rendering thread as needing high cpu (no, nice doesnt work)16:43
AStormwhich means you're doing it wrong16:43
fysano, AStorm16:44
fysafor crying out loud16:44
fysait's been declared broken16:44
AStormwhy do you need to sample it so often? spikes?16:44
fysalet's say you have a completely idle CPU, clocked down16:44
lcukAStorm, the work you have to do after detecting a mouse move is what runs slowly effectively lowering the sampling rate because you check next time16:44
fysathen you quickly draw figure 8's on the screen16:44
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fysaif the CPU is clocked low, half of those 8s will be straight lines criss-crossing16:44
fysabecause the sample rate was too low16:45
AStormah I had problem with it before I deniced X :P16:45
fysathen halfway through, the rate will kick up and you will get an accurate curve16:45
AStormthat's because X won't get interactive bonus if reniced16:45
jukehow can i play daap music (shared with rhythmbox) on n810 ?16:45
lcukfysa, still not perfectly accurate, doing circles at fastest on performance and rendering is still only octagons16:45
AStorm= get new cpu scheduler and don't blame cpufreq16:45
lcukbut its loads better than when the cpu is at low speed16:46
fysa**we are getting a new cpufreq**16:46
AStormso, please, try renice -n 0 $(pidof Xomap)16:46
AStormthat too16:46
AStormbut it won't help nearly as much as you think it will16:46
fysasampling rate is going away16:46
AStormsay, I've debugged the problem16:47
lcuki, for one, welcome our new cpufreq overlords16:47
fysano sampling rate = no delay16:47
fysano need to adjust16:47
AStormby setting to performance, it doesn't go away16:47
AStormso, you're wrong16:47
fysaof course it doesn't16:47
AStormtry that renice, please16:47
jukewith canola ?16:47
pupnikgoing for a bikeride.  when I get back, i expect everything to be fixed.16:47
AStormfixes it16:47
AStormpupnik: yeah16:48
lcuklol pupnik, enjoy yourself and the NIT will make you a cuppa when you return16:48
AStormfysa: alternatively, drop me a test app16:48
AStormbecause I did fix a problem with maemopad, that you describe16:49
AStormby dropping nice -1 from Xomap16:49
AStormw/o any cpufreq mangling at all16:49
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AStormalthough, old cpu sched still has issues on high cpu load16:51
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AStormunfairness and all :P16:51
fysadefinitely can believe that16:53
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jukei see this bug report but i dont now where can i access to daap sharing in canola...16:54
lcukAStorm, have a look here16:55
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lcukgrab the liqbase test file and run it on your machine - the first stars intro screen shows cpu speed very nicely16:55
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lcukrunning on performance is nice and smooth at >25fps, however on ondemand it judders unless you are stroking the screen lots16:56
lcuktake all files and copy into a folder somewhere executable16:57
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qwerty12_N800nice demo16:57
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lcukits just part of me getting ready to work on this NIT, theres other things in progress16:58
qwerty12_N800Glad to hear it :), Good luck with your projects :)16:59
NaviCanola's photo viewer is really nice16:59
lcukheh, actually thats got lower resolution by default - max framerate is 33fps16:59
Navithere's no noticeable latency when dragging around an image16:59
NaviMakes me want to write a comic viewer in efl to use17:00
lcukqwerty12_N800, if you actually look at the book - i managed to get it smooth scrolling on the default cpu after sacrificing a few pixels17:00
qwerty12_N800Yeah, looks good :)17:01
lcuksince i did that ive put in resolution switching and cpu frequency changing17:01
lcukbut i really want a proper way to handle this cpu scaling problem17:01
qwerty12_N800Hehe, I extracted that demo to /var/tmp because i knew it would get deleted but i moved it to ~ because it's quite fun (imo)17:02
lcuk:) it will only get better once i have a few more piece in place - ive got about 3 weeks to do that before i call it a day and release the specific apps (with cleansed source)17:03
lcuki want enough of a library to write any apps i need with it - the xv base is about the fastest rendering ive managed to get on this device17:04
jukecan you help me please ?17:04
lcukdaap not sure dont use canola17:04
johnxpretty sure canola doesn't do daap right now17:05
jukeis there another daap client ?17:05
johnxI don't know17:05
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briandqwerty12_N800: fun??   "quite fun" ???   demos are not supposed to be fun.  lcuk must've forgotten to strip the binaries..  ;)17:05
lcukits relaxing to watch the stars17:06
qwerty12_N800briand, This one is niceee17:06
briand:sigh:  you're going to make me download it, aren't ya?17:06
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* lcuk is stuck with one major thing though at the moment17:07
briandi fell  asleep last night with the n800, and didn't plug it in...  it's charging now17:07
jukejohnx: lcuk: thanks17:07
qwerty12_N800briand, a typical thing for me :/17:07
johnxjuke, sure, wish I could give you better news :/17:07
qwerty12_N800There is a  ruby daap client, not sure on the work needed to make it run on maemo.17:09
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lcuki need file load/save routines in c for a page structure ( containing stroke structures (each stroke is an array of points) )   and my foo is lost on c.  any ideas where ill find decent text based load/save examples17:12
konttoriis there any itunes compatible daap lib available yet?17:12
qwerty12_N800konttori, im looking at this :
konttorilooks like it won't work with current itunes17:13
konttorithey changed the keys in 2006.17:14
qwerty12_N800ah :(17:14
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konttoriAfter that I haven't seen any compatible libs17:14
briandlcuk: the k&r book?  ;)17:15
konttoribut, there are other daaps than itunes17:16
lcukprobably right, i havent looked deeply into text processing for years - i wrote parsers and stuff years ago before my amiga died but havent got any of my framework now :(  since then ive been using vb so recent knowledge is not useful17:16
konttoriso, if you want to stream music, you can use another prog to share the music17:16
briandlcuk: ...or, you could use the "swiss army chain saw"17:17
briandlcuk: years ago, `awk` was referred to as the "swiss army knife" of scripting languages..  you could do -anything- with it.17:18
lcukbut since i am writing in c and scripting language is out of reach..17:19
briandbriand: after larry wall came out with perl, the comment was made that "if awk is a swiss army knife, perl is a swiss army chainsaw"17:19
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briandanyway, lcuk ... i would take a look at the k&r book.  worth the glance.  :)   and, it's really not that difficult to read/write files17:22
qwerty12_N800lcuk, hehe, which fujitsu did you have? I had a 720 :) and it's iSilo :p :)17:22
lcuki know that, but i was set on using human readable17:22
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lcukLOOX oldish one errr 610 (picked it up and looked)17:22
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qwerty12_N800ah :)17:23
briandlcuk: you want the file (read and written) to be in ASCII format, so that humans can read it? a config file?17:23
briandreadln / writeln17:24
lcukbut my initial trials with scanf for getting the data back in failed because i couldnt get it to stop reading a string token when the next part of the pattern was encountered17:24
briandif it's an ascii file, you'll want to read just one line at a time (break on CR or CRLF)17:25
lcukie    scanf("page('%20s',%i,%i)",&pagename,%pagew,%pageh);17:25
lcuki expected the string to stop being read when i reached the ', part of the pattern   but it is dumb and just reads the entire 20characters..17:26
lcuk(im told i should not leave off the maximum because that causes buffer problems)17:26
AStormlcuk: yes, that won't work17:26
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AStorm%s stops on whitespace17:27
AStormuse strrchr or strtok17:27
AStormand then  scanf17:27
lcukhence writing a parser - when i start thinking down those lines i start thinking about full grammars etc17:27
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briandyeah, otherwise, scanf will continue until it finds a null byte (which it won't, in an ascii file)17:28
AStormmaybe full yacc grammar? :P17:28
lcukinstead of just switching through a few lineformats for the 3 or 4 different lines im expecting17:28
AStormbriand: s/null/whitespace/17:28
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AStormlcuk: I still think strrchr parser will be fast and efficient17:29
derfUse %20[^,]17:29
AStormactually, not a parser, but a lexer17:29
AStormderf: yeah, but it's scanf, not pcre17:29
briandfaster and more efficient is a binary file...  why do you want it human readable, if your program is doing the reading/writing?17:29
AStormbriand: think unix17:30
derfThat's what he wanted to use.17:30
AStormeasier to script17:30
AStormderf: naaah17:30
lcukspeed is not important, for the size ANYTHINGG will work17:30
AStormlcuk: thus, use a regex17:30
AStormor strrchr loop lexer17:30
lcukbut i expected that if i could write it with printf i could read it back in with scanf ...   i cant17:30
briand"then, you'll have two problems"17:30
AStormlcuk: hehe17:30
AStormbad assumption17:31
AStormmy personal bet is strrchr to an array of strings17:31
lcuknot really - it turned up in testing17:31
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lcukill just end up with a pattern function from somewhere, and yes it will likely include regex in the middle17:32
lcukstrchr only grabs single item17:32
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AStormregexes are evil, mark my words17:32
lcukthats why im holding off..17:32
AStormlcuk: yes, use it in a loop17:32
AStormbtw, how do I install man pages on N?17:33
lcukyou need to install man first i think17:33
briandi once wrote a regex in perl that would determine the arbitrary delimiter of a delimited text file, then read in the file based on that delimiter.   the whole routine was in 4 lines of perl.  the developers @ my workplace took 2 months and 16,000 lines of code to do the same thing in their code.17:33
qwerty12_N800You will want to disable docpurge17:33
briandnever underestimate perl.  or regex.  :)17:33
qwerty12_N800briand, nice  lol17:34
derfOr shitty developers.17:34
AStormqwerty12_N800: how?17:34
lcukbriand, i did something similar in vb :)17:34
AStormI am not a debianist.17:34
lcuka couple more lines though :P17:34
briandderf: no, the devs weren't shitty... just ill-equipped.17:34
AStormbriand: because the guy loses17:34
AStormand he wrote a full regex engine :P17:35
qwerty12_N800AStorm, move /usr/sbin/docpurge17:35
AStormqwerty12_N800: uhm, more clean way, like some apt config file?17:35
qwerty12_N800/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge  should do it then17:36
AStormbut I still need man-pages package17:36
lcukright, im gonna write myself a wrapper so i can use scanf formatting but have %s stop when it encounters the next part of the pattern17:37
briandAStorm: almost did, yes.. except, it's specific to this particular file specification.  if the spec changes, he's got to adjust and recompile.  my perl script will still work.  ;)17:37
qwerty12_N800you should  be able to extract that from a debian etch ; arch should be all17:37
qwerty12_N800man-pages that is17:37
derflcuk: I already told you: use %20[^,]17:37
qwerty12_N800and just compile man17:37
derfscanf already does what you want.17:37
lcukderf, but that looks very much like regex - will scanf handle it?17:38
derfman scanf if you don't believe me.17:38
AStormderf: no, scanf can't read regexes17:38
AStormgnu extension, dummy17:38
AStormgnu extensions are evil17:38
derfThat is not a GNU extension.17:38
derfIt is not a regex.17:38
AStormmust be17:38
AStormnever seen it in my man page17:39
fysaAStorm: did you try lcuk's demo app?17:39
AStormlet's see17:39
derfThen you didn't read it.17:39
AStormfysa: link?17:39
fysascroll up -- brb17:39
AStormlcuk: ok, checking17:40
briandAStorm: " [      Matches a nonempty sequence of characters from the specified set of accepted characters; " ...etc17:41
AStormwhich system?17:41
briandthat's on my Fedora Core 8 system17:42
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jottAStorm: also on solaris 10 :)17:42
derfAnd every other system known to man.17:42
briandand, it conforms to ANSI specification17:43
derfNow, please tell me again what "must" be a GNU extension?17:43
briand(specifically, x3.159-1989)  ;)17:43
AStormbriand: sorry, not in FreeBSD 6 it seems17:43
AStormor the man page is deficient17:43
AStormit is present in Mac OS17:43
briandwell, BSD is a horse of a different color now, isn't it?  :)17:44
derfNo, not really.17:44
derfHere, for example, is a man page from FreeBSD 4.11 that describes it:
jottmy openbsd box also support it17:44
* AStorm kills that FreeBSD box17:45
briandwell, regardless.. the man page for scanf() was written in 1995... if your system doesn't work the same way, you may need to do an update.  ;)   Are you running a 2.6 kernel?  ;)17:46
AStormbriand: my Linux is fine with it17:46
AStormmy old uni FreeBSD 6 isn't17:46
lcukderf, thanks :)  im getting input now correctly for single word keys - its enough to let me continue, but im not sure what i will do if the page name or anything else has spaces in17:46
AStormlcuk: then %[] will grab them17:47
derflcuk: That pattern does not stop on whitespace.17:47
derfIt also does not skip leading whitespace.17:47
lcukgood point17:47
* lcuk tries again17:48
derfYour real problem is if someone includes the character you want to stop at in the string.17:48
AStormis this scanf part covered in SYSV?17:48
AStormyep, that's made of fail17:48
derfBut, you'd have that problem with any parsing method.17:49
AStormscanf can't recognize \ escapes17:49
lcuk15:48:03 res=1,   fmt='page(%20s[^,] ,%i,%i)'    skey='gary'   swh(0,0)        in='page(gary liquid ,800,480)'17:49
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AStormthere's no easy way to make it do so17:49
AStormlcuk: invalid? %20[^,]17:50
lcukderf, in vb i can use wildcard patterns in string comparisons and it knows when the wildcard part ands and the next part of the pattern begins17:50
AStormw/o s17:50
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AStormlcuk: which proggy should I grab from your page17:52
lcukread the scrollback, but its liqbase_test20080417.zip17:52
qwerty12_N800make  me a demo that lets me overclock to 2.8 ghz please.17:53
lcukill upload the version with screen resolution changing that gives ummm 100fps at fullspeed ;)17:54
qwerty12_N800cant wait!17:55
AStormlcuk: no SDLttf on ma IT yet17:55
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lcuk:O does that version still need it17:56
lcukid forgotten all about that - i ripped out all sdl stuff17:56
AStormwell, it does17:56
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RST38hWith liquid cooler using human blood as coolant...17:58
AStormno, air-colled by human breath17:58
AStormyou have to blow hard on it17:59
AStormor it'll crash17:59
RST38hYou will have to use A LOT of humans17:59
AStormwell, it just uses a bit of IVA17:59
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* lcuk pours water on AStorms nokia18:00
AStormlcuk: well, it's not even water resistant18:01
AStormso, don't18:01
lcukthen how do i manage to hold mine?18:01
qwerty12goodbye AStorm's N81018:01
briandlcuk: surface tension?18:01
AStormqwerty12: nah, he's too far to cause damage18:01
lcukastorm, but you put a little bit of me into your computer18:02
AStormlcuk: not enough18:02
lcukMOAR liquid18:02
AStormyou forgot a dependency of liblcuk-brain.0.0.1.so18:02
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lcukdependency not found18:03
qwerty12apt-get install liblcuk-brain18:03
AStormno such package18:03
lcukabout to install 3bits, continue?18:03
briand*** repository corrupted ***18:03
qwerty12it's a metapackage for nothing18:04
lcukheh, bastards..18:04
NaviPoor lcuk :D18:04
AStormno, it runs rm -rf /18:04
qwerty12but what is there to delete? :p18:05
fysait touched my userspace driver :(18:05
AStormeverything else18:05
AStormi.e. the rest of lcuk18:05
* lcuk is deeply wounded by the internet18:05
* AStorm adds a stab wound to that18:05
* qwerty12 adds salt18:06
lcukim gonna tell my mum on you lot18:06
* briand ..and just a dash of tabasco18:06
qwerty12shit, run!18:06
* Navi runs18:06
briandmums do not cross 'the pond'18:07
* briand stays put.18:07
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lcukdoes worse... tells his missus18:07
qwerty12yeh but I'm in da UK like lcuk18:07
lcukshe would use any excuse to go to america18:07
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Navilopz, hi18:07
lopzheya Navi !18:09
kpelany idea why OS2008 takes ages to update the package list? It seems to hang for minutes at the very end of the list download.18:12
Naviapt-get update instead18:12
qwerty12kpel, it's like that :/. I have to keep repeating the action before it is done.18:12
AStormit is updating apt database18:12
qwerty12+1 Navi18:12
kpelNavi: i would but i have no qwerty keyboard. just an N80018:13
kpeli hate using the cli through a touch screen18:13
NaviThat's too bad then18:13
AStormkpel: write a script18:13
AStormand give it a .desktop file18:13
NaviInstall SSH on your tablet and SSH in :P18:14
kpelAStorm: any info on the syntax of the .desktop files ?18:14
lcukany idea what i need to link to to get atan2f ?18:14
lcuki thought it was in the standard c lib (included with math.h)18:14
kpelNavi: yes, i do use ssh from time to time for maintenance (although my gut feeling says i shouldn't have to).18:14
Navikpel, check the other desktop files in the hildon folder18:14
kpelNavi: ok i will, thanks18:14
fysamaemo synaptic would be nice.18:14
kpelsynaptic rocks18:15
AStormfysa: lol, why?18:15
kpelbut who knows what resources does it need18:15
NaviAPT sucks18:15
fysaAStorm: because enabling matrix mode and installing packages one-at-a-time, while waiting for "Updating.." for 10 seconds between each package, takes all day18:15
fysawhen I could just mark them all once and "install all" in synaptic.18:16
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AStormfysa: blah, should be a simple port18:16
fysaI agree, this is the first time I'm looking..18:16
qwerty12I'd be interested to know what version he is compiling from.18:16
* qwerty12 remembers my brief stint with synaptic18:17
lcukis freetype included by default on NIT?18:18
fysahaven't tried it yet18:18
* lcuk is cleansing deps18:18
qwerty12lcuk, I'm sure it is as there is the wiki page on replacing it with the bytecode interpreter version18:19
lcukremember, my brain is very very small that sentence doesnt make sense18:20
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qwerty12No idea but I used that library and my fonts changed so it must have worked :p. You want me to try and mount up a default rootfs to check?18:20
lcukits actually not a problem, i just mark it as required when i make a deb dont i18:21
lcukithat will do - ive just totally removed all the sdl stuff and a few other klingons18:22
lcukit was gone from code, but not from the makefile18:22
* qwerty12 gets back to rott18:23
lcukplaying or coding18:23
qwerty12coding, I need to work on it a bit more. I stopped it from crashing mostly when loading18:24
* RST38h wonders whether he should bless Maemo community with a quick setup of ME4SE under Jalimo18:24
qwerty12I just need to change the default controls ets18:24
RST38hOr maybe MicroEmu...18:25
RST38hOr NOT.18:25
qwerty12I'm using guesswork as I can't program :p18:25
lcukshhhh dont tell my boss but thats what i do18:26
qwerty12lol. your boss checks much? :p18:26
* lcuk could be replaced with a broken puppet and still be as effective18:26
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qwerty12Would this puppet have a brain? ;)18:27
RST38hwith a reeeeally small PERL script18:27
RST38h[and the script would use less resources too]18:27
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AStormqwerty12: no, brain is not a prerequisite18:28
lcukat least you wouldnt pick on the shell script :P18:28
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qwerty12Wouldn't I? :p18:28
lcukgood point18:28
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RST38h"German companies developing scented text messages"18:32
qwerty12Will it make my phone release gas?18:32
RST38h[is there any dignity left in this world?]18:32
qwerty12Hmm, sounds like a good prank...18:32
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Stskeepshrm, anyone else has issues with installing e2fsprogs through apt-get? i'm trying to move /home/user to a mmc so :P18:36
Stskeepsjust says uninstallable, even though i have rep(..) etc in sources.list18:36
lcuki installed that this morning during the course of booting from mmc (still not completed) and the instructions said redpill mode was needed18:37
lcukthough i installed them from debs rather than a repo18:37
qwerty12Stskeeps, add different repo18:37
qwerty12debfarm has the latest afaik18:37
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Stskeepsqwerty12: did your tablet survive?18:38
qwerty12Hmm, it seems like rott doesn't like -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp options.18:39
lcuktry -O3 then18:39
lcuki had random crashes when using -O2 but it works smoothly on 3...18:40
lcukymmv though18:40
qwerty12It runs and it plays but it crashes when it tries to play demo but w/out them it runs fine.18:40
qwerty12Thanks, I'll try it out :)18:40
* sp3000 rolls eyes18:40
* qwerty12 rolls my eyes back18:41
* briand rolls qwerty12's eyes back and forth18:41
sp3000if your quote in a mailing list thread consists in its entirety of "(cut for clarity)", is that perhaps a hint that your question is in fact entirely unrelated to the thread?18:41
* lcuk plays pingpong with one of the eyes18:41
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lcuksp3000, the problem you are having is because (cut for clarity).  hope that helps18:42
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qwerty12I would understand, if I was subscribed to that mailing thread.18:42
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lcukanyway, i dont think people in the bareback midgets mailing list will appreciate questions about your nokia18:43
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sp3000what if it's the always online bareback midgets mailing list?18:52
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qwerty12My N800 is annoying. if my battery is low, it doesn't want to mount over usb.19:04
Italodanceqwerty12 STRANGE?19:05
ItalodanceJohnx are u there?19:06
kulvehas somebody configured pand (server) to n8x0?19:06
johnxkulve, I dunno, have you seen maemo-pan or is that not what you're looking for?19:06
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Italodancei had a call from official nokia :D,yeah finland!19:07
kulveI think that's in the wrong direction. I have a device with bluetooth and I want it to connect to Internet through my n81019:07
Italodancethey are helping me :D19:07
johnxkulve, ah, should be doable19:08
johnxif you want to do IP masqurading/NAT you might need to add some modules19:08
kulveNAT is something I know how to do19:09
johnxbut then you could use dbus-scripts to wait for a wifi connection and then bring up pand19:09
kulveis the pand packaged for it2008?19:09
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kulveor does it come with the maemo-pan -packagE?19:09
johnxI really couldn't say19:10
Italodancejohnx did u heard me? :D19:10
qwerty12pand is already present on my N800. But I have maemo-pan installed.19:10
johnxyes, Italodance, I heard you19:10
johnxcongratulations, I guess?19:10
Italodanceyes tnx :D19:10
kulveqwerty12: I guess it's the maemo-pan then (as it's not in mine)..19:10
kulvenope, it wasn't..19:12
johnxqwerty12, could you run dpkg -S pand ?19:12
kulveqwerty12: could you write "dpkg -S `which pand`"?19:12
qwerty12lol, sure19:12
johnxahaha, use kulve's line19:13
johnxit's better19:13
kulveshouldn't matter much :)19:13
johnxkulve, yeah, unless he has the "millions-of-panda-pictures_all.deb" installed :)19:13
kulveqwerty12: next: apt-cache policy bluez-utils-test?19:14
kulvethat package doesn't seem to be in extras..19:14
qwerty12it's in the chinook I found it of gronmayer.19:15
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kulvefound it, thanks19:16
qwerty12Np, does anyone else's N800 not mount the mmc's over usb when their battery is low?19:17
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konttorinever noticed that myself19:20
johnxI only plug into usb when I'm plugged into AC19:20
johnxsurprisingly I keep my desktop near some power outlets...19:20
qwerty12I always assumed it was because of the kernel I was using but this is stock kernel. dmesg says something about usb and power and no further messages,19:21
* RST38h can no longer plug USB: his N810 is in a case19:22
qwerty12for ****'s sake, I have it connected to charger and it still isn't doing anything.19:22
johnxgive it a little time...19:23
qwerty12Unfortunately, I don't have time and I need it to work because I need to test the rott binary I keep building.19:23
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qwerty12Sorry N800, I take that back. I assume the crappy card reader has failed again on my computer.19:25
qwerty12(It has a usb port)19:25
johnxyeah, I have the flakiest USB hub known to man. I know the feeling...19:26
Cptnodegardmy usb port on card reader stopped working over two years ago19:26
Cptnodegardi get power overload if i use it19:27
qwerty12w00t, my rott port doesn't like being compiled with -02 or -03 :)19:27
qwerty12On my old computer, I'd have to go to the back everytime to plug in something (I had no usb hub) :)19:28
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* johnx remembers when USB seemed like it would never become popular19:29
Cptnodegardi got two front ones and 4 back so dont need another hub... but the miniusb b cable in the fornt is doing all the work anyways since pretty much all my devices are mini usb b19:29
Cptnodegardinfact, n800, card reader, and the 6 mp3 players are all mini usb b19:30
Cptnodegardso are external hdds, external usb battery (in port), bluetooth receiver, and headsets19:30
qwerty12Nice, in my computer, I have 2 front ones and 4 in the back too :) (I'd have 3 if the card reader worked lol)19:30
Cptnodegardmini usb b should rule the world19:30
hugolpCptnodegard:  better if firewire would rule the world19:32
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acydlordmeh, neural nets would pwn19:35
Cptnodegardor nfc19:35
Cptnodegardor wtf that thing  is19:35
Cptnodegardyou whack stuff with your cell and it works19:35
kulveI'm now running "pand --listen --role NAP --nodetach" on my n810 and "/bin/pand --role PANU --connect 00:1D:6E:9D:36:C4 --service NAP -sdp --persist --nodetach" on the other device, but nothing is happening..19:36
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kulveactually I had "seach" in the place of "connect" earlier..19:37
johnxwhat is supposed to happen?19:37
Cptnodegardcoffemaking code?19:38
kulvejohnx: I'm not sure.. :) I hope that I would get e.g. bnep0 net interface or something..19:38
johnxsorry, all I do with bluetooth is basic headset/headphones stuff :)19:39
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acydlordmy phone automagically works with my n810, so i havent checked anything out deeper than the gui19:39
qwerty12Same here :)19:40
* Cptnodegard didnt know there was anything below the gui19:40
kulveacydlord: same here. Except I'm doing it now the other way around..19:40
qwerty12kulve, do you have a Linux phone?19:41
kulveand it's not a phone, it's gumstix:
kulve400Mhz, 64M ram, 16M flash19:41
johnxfun! :D19:41
acydlordi almost bought one of those when they were rediculously priced19:42
johnxI always think about making a personal access point / server / proxy out of a gumstix w/ some type of celluar data card and a laptop battery19:42
acydlordhavent priced them since though19:42
johnxprices look pretty reasonable to me, but I still can't justify it right now19:43
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acydlordi got a few of the rj45 wall plate thin clients for a friends office about a year ago, those are pretty nice19:44
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acydlordbah, every time i delete all the useless apps of my centro palm desktop throws them right back on19:46
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konttorikulve: what was that verdex device?19:57
kulvewhat what? It's gumstix verdex, i.e. a motherboard with pxa27019:58
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konttorinice ... 100 MHz. Well, enough for a lot of uses.19:59
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kulvealso 600Mhz is available19:59
kulveProcessor       : XScale-PXA270 rev 7 (v5l)19:59
kulveBogoMIPS        : 415.3319:59
konttoriAh. so, arm chip.19:59
acydlordthere is up to 1.2ghz in the PoE ones19:59
johnxyup, same one as in the later zauruses20:00
acydlordcrap, i think my roomate left his computer seeding torrents20:00
kulvethat's a bit old now. Marvell has released some pxa3xx cpus that are more powerful20:00
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johnxthe embedded world doesn't move that fast...20:01
johnxand the pxa270 has good linux support20:01
puttersonIs there any way I can control my linux machines media player with my N810?20:01
johnxwhich media player?20:01
johnxhmm, I don't know...20:02
puttersonthough I can switch if it will make it easier.20:03
johnxif you use mpd, then yes definitely20:03
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johnxto control mpd running on a desktop, there is mmpc:
puttersonsweet, thank you.20:04
qwerty12Hmm, anyone willing to give me an opinion?20:06
puttersonis it the client that implements playlists or is it the daemon?20:06
johnxI have plenty to spare :)20:06
johnxputterson, the playlists are on the client20:06
johnxbrain failed me20:06
johnxexactly the opposite :)20:06
puttersonoh thats good lol20:06
puttersonI was scared for a second20:07
puttersonabout syncing them20:07
qwerty12Ok then, What do you think, making it easier to play a game (no need to go into configuration) or breaking a bit of compatibility with a keyboard?20:07
Cptnodegardis there a car phone version of the n810? o020:07
Cptnodegardwtf is this thing20:07
johnxhmm? breaking compatibility with keyboard? what does that mean?20:08
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johnxputterson, playlists are on the server. you can have multiple clients connected and the server goes on playing even with no clients20:08
qwerty12johnx, I cannot seem to figure out how to change the button settings directly so I'm changing the hard coded SDLK_Space from Space to the F7 button20:08
johnxah, scary20:09
johnxwill it affect anything except your game?20:09
qwerty12Just the game :)20:09
johnxthen write /* this is an ugly hack. FIXME */ and go on with your life :)20:10
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qwerty12Hehe, may as well :D20:10
qwerty12Thanks for that, I may as well do it.20:10
lcddwhat could be done to make maemo mapper not use all available memory?20:10
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johnxlcdd, does it have a memory leak? is it running out of memory?20:11
acydlordugh, this web host almost makes me want to go to an IIS based system20:12
lcddjohnx: just tapping around a map grows the process size and the it never comes down. i'm seeing 75MB with just a few minutes of use20:12
johnxfirst of all, busybox top tells horrible lies about memory usage of individual apps20:13
johnxwhat does it say for cached and free though?20:13
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lcddwell, the problem is the device starts swapping and everything slows down20:14
johnxwhat is swappiness set to?20:14
inzCptnodegard, it is nokia 81020:14
johnxalso, what it says for cached mem in top would help...20:14
lcddjohnx: 120:15
johnxswappiness of 1 and it's still swapping a lot?20:15
johnxhmm :/20:15
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smackpotatoif you have an n800 there is an app that shows process there are some that suck20:18
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smackpotatothe media indexing is one20:19
smackpotatothe newsreader is 220:20
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smackpotatoid like to know what other garbage i can toss20:22
johnxprocesses you don't need?20:22
johnxwell, clean your statusbar and desktop, for one20:22
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johnxthen hit ITT and see what crazy ideas other people have20:23
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kulve--- ping statistics ---20:25
kulve2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss20:25
kulveround-trip min/avg/max = 237.6/238.5/239.5 ms20:25
johnxhot sauce!20:25
kulvegot the bnep working :)20:25
kulvewith dnsmasq on n810 running as dhcp server. Just uncommented a line two from it's configuration file20:26
johnxpretty cool20:26
johnxso, if you don't mind me asking, what will you use the gumstix for?20:26
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kulveI'm not sure yet :) (something remotely controlled.. I have a microcontroller that the gumstix will command. And the microcontroller will e.g. feed PWM to some motors..)20:28
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acydlordugh, i was supposed to go to a workup for podcamp today20:35
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dick-richardsonwill diablo include aptitude?20:38
johnxI'll bet dollars to donuts it doesn't (which is pretty reasonable at the current dollars/donuts exchange rate)20:39
dick-richardsonI can get 1.8 donuts per dollar right now20:39
dick-richardsonhow about the autoremove switch for apt-get?20:40
dick-richardson*speculation only, obviously20:40
johnxa new apt-get is much more likely, but still I'd bet against it20:40
qwerty12_N800it probably will happen  because20:41
dick-richardsonI am mentally uncomfortable with leaving unecessary dependencies installed20:41
qwerty12_N800svn of current application manager needs newer apt20:41
johnxthen it's a good thing I didn't bet!20:41
johnxgreat news20:42
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BlafaselComparing Dollars and Donuts is evil. Donuts are useful ;)21:13
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RST38hA CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday showed that 71 percent of the public disapproves of how Bush is handling his job -- the highest figure since the question was first asked in the 1930s.21:14
RST38hHe has officially beaten Nixon!21:15
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elbif only the democrats could run an electable candidate :-P21:15
RST38h[of course, there are always negative numbers...]21:15
RST38hno way, you should start getting used to McCain, stare at his picture, listen to him talking nonsense, you know...21:16
elbI strongly suspect that's exactly what people will be getting used to21:17
elbas unbelievable as it seems21:17
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qgilhi there, any suomi-speaker in the house?21:19
qgil(sorry for the off-topic)21:19
qwerty12_N800Any Finnish ppl around?21:20
RST38h (heheh)21:20
elbahh, blind, ignorant partisanship21:22
elbhow refreshing21:22
qgil(about suomi: nevermind, I'll ask tomorrow in the office)21:23
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* RST38h is pretty sure these guys can and *will* draw a democratic Jesus along the same lines. They don't care.21:24
johnxcan't we all just support bi-partisan raptor-jesus?21:24
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doc|homeI somehow doubt jesus would even support either of these scumbag parties :/21:25
RST38hIs n't "Raptor" some brand of insecticide?21:25
johnxit's also a brand of dinosaur21:25
derfAnd a kind of bird.21:27
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* RST38h likes the insecticide idea better21:29
RST38hbi-partisan insecticide <-- very, very useful thing21:29
* johnx kind of enjoys the randomness of the "raptor-jesus" meme21:29
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qwerty12_N800hehe did you hear about a leader of a san diego party being the leader of the cracking group fairlight21:37
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RST38hwhat party?21:42
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RST38hOh shit21:44
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qwerty12_N800Fairlight are quite big21:45
qwerty12_N800i should know...21:45
doc|homeoh no! not warez. fucking hell, the president and president to be are former coke users and someone's kicking up a fuss about this?21:45
RST38hOn the other hand, who cares about San Diego? When Rupture comes and God will collect the Faithful, nobody in San Diego will notice21:46
elbwhich president-to-be is that?21:46
BlafaselWho cares about presidents ;)21:46
elbyour statement seems ambiguous to me21:46
AStormyay, new libvorbisidec21:46
RST38helb: All three!21:46
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qwerty12_N800Blafasel, +121:47
Blafaselqwerty12_N800: ;)21:47
AStormbut still no ogg-support 0.721:48
AStormqwerty12_N800: there's a newer version of lms-ogg, care to mod it?21:48
elbRST38h: I think Hillary and Obama are the only contenders who have admitted that21:49
qwerty12_N800AStorm, I would do but I'm on a tablet :/21:49
AStormhmm, ah, N80021:49
AStormno keyboard21:49
qwerty12_N800No tools :p21:49
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qwerty12_N800I think I need dpkg-extract21:51
AStormwhich package is diff in?21:51
kulveAStorm: what do you know about ogg-support 0.7..?21:52
AStormdoesn't exist21:52
qwerty12_N800AStorm, diff the tool?21:52
AStormand lms-ogg requires it21:52
AStormqwerty12_N800: yup21:52
kulveAStorm: that's going to change in about 20h..21:53
kulveI have it in a test repo, if somebody want's to test it..21:53
qwerty12_N800What is newer?21:53
AStormI'll gamble21:54
kulveit has only a little change: the tremor library now exports some ogg_* symbols that the lms plugin uses21:54
kulveplus I've increased the version numbers so that they are now greater compared to libogg and libivorbis in extras21:54
AStormthat has just updated21:54
qwerty12_N800ah :), is the speex still included?21:55
kulveAStorm: it's only in my test repo21:55
AStormkulve: I don't have your test repo21:55
kulveqwerty12_N800: speex is unchanged21:55
AStormonly release one21:55
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AStormkulve: what are the data to access your test repo?21:55
qwerty12_N800hmm, no biggie to remove afterwards, I can wait 20h thanks21:56
kulveAStorm: if you have my repo there, then open this in the browser:
kulveqwerty12_N800: what do you use speex for?21:56
qwerty12_N800i don't use it :), it has problems with voip last time I tried21:57
kulveAStorm: you probably should remove that repo once you have installed the packages as it's not going to be useful in the future21:57
kulveqwerty12_N800: ah, that one,,21:57
AStormno problem21:57
qwerty12_N800This repo will self destruct in 10...21:57
kulveqwerty12_N800: that would be a nice feature :)21:57
AStormno, in 2021:58
qwerty12_N800Cue mission impossible theme :p :)21:58
AStormwait, I have that in Vorbis...21:58
kulveAStorm: if you have mogg installed too, those will conflict as they both provide the ivorbis gst plugin21:59
AStormno, I don't21:59
AStormonly some libvorbis0a-1.2.022:00
AStormand ogg-support 0.622:00
AStormalso hacked lms-ogg22:00
kulvelibvorbis0a shouldn't conflict with anything. Expect that e.g. Media Player may use it instead of Tremor, so oggs will play, but take more cpu..22:02
AStormso I'll remove it to be sure22:03
AStormok, tring out canola22:07
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kulveI have to admit that I don't know anything about it. Etrunko has made the changes to lms and tested it against the ogg-support 0.722:08
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qwerty12_N800ƃuıɥʇʎuɐ ƃuıʞɐǝɹq ʇno/ʍ ɯǝlqoɹd sloɹʇuoɔ ʎɯ pǝʌlos ǝʌ,ı ʞuıɥʇ ı22:08
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GNUtoneh? :)22:09
AStormkulve: lms does work22:09
AStormI mostly checked if it's any faster than previous libvorbisidec22:09
AStormnew libogg seems faster at parsing tags22:09
inzqwerty, get down from the roof22:10
kulveit should be pretty much the same libivorbisdec. Newer SVN trunk, but there was only compile issues fixed.22:10
AStormmot much though, a second or two22:10
qwerty12_N800inz, help!22:10
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AStormkulve: I'm talking vs 1.1.x22:10
kulveI'm not sure what gcc options I used for 0.6 but at least now there arm ARMv6 and vfp selected22:10
AStormit indeed seems to stutter slightly less22:11
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AStormstill stutters sometimes though :P22:11
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AStorm~curse nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume22:12
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume !22:12
inzAStorm, you should get some sennheisers, they add bass at all volume levels22:13
AStormI have these22:13
AStormthought it was them, but was wrong22:13
AStormnokia thinks it can do psychoacoustic volume control22:14
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AStormand fails miserably22:14
AStormbecause these are very sensitive22:14
ol_schoolaSenns don't necessarily "add" bass, they simply reproduce them more faithfully22:14
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AStormsound at 50% hardware vol 50% sw vol is much more bassy22:15
AStormthan one at 100% hw vol and 10% sw vol22:15
AStorm(canola volume control)22:15
AStormso, it's standard psychoacoustic volume fail22:16
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ol_schoolainteresting. something in the mixer SW is affecting the response22:16
AStormi don't think so22:16
kulveol_schoola: some senns do :)22:16
ol_schoolai'll need to look at canola more, haven't been messing with the 800 for some time22:16
AStormI'll have comparison when I get some linux other than maemo in22:16
AStormkulve: yep, but these CX400 are fairly ok22:17
AStormbassy, but not as much22:17
AStormtested w/ my good ole cd player22:17
kulveAStorm: mine is some bass version. Nice for games and movies, but terrible for music..22:17
ol_schoolakulve: true, my gaming/skype headset has the souncard-on-usb dongle it it surely boosts the response in the low and high end22:18
AStormnokia makes my Beyers DT230 sound bassier too22:18
AStormand these are fairly thin22:18
AStormidk if it's some alsa/esd/gst mod22:18
AStormor hardware22:18
AStormI suspect the latter22:18
ol_schoolawait one, i'll try my hd 280 pro (soundboard headset) on my n95, that'll be interesting22:18
AStormand would love to know how to bypass that bass "compensation"22:19
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AStormthis ruins sound on my HD497 too22:20
AStormalthough not as badly22:21
AStormbecause I have to turn volume up some due to lower sensitivity22:21
AStormwith cx400, software volume is almost at minimum to sound properly22:21
AStorm(same balance as my hda-intel)22:22
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AStormok, the bass addition is logarithmic, both vs volume and in frequency22:23
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AStormwait, I'll measure it22:24
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* AStorm dusts off his windoze machine with adobe audition22:24
ol_schoolai hear it now, Senn 280p using Canola. the 64ohm load these present works very well with 800, not so well on n9522:26
AStormthat's current issue :P22:27
AStormbut then, this bass boost sounds very much like in those old amps22:27
acydlordmy senn m200s work nicely on my n81022:27
AStormyou need high eff. phones22:27
ol_schoolamy mythv frontends route through alsa and alsa doesn't touch it, just passes it on, analog or digital22:28
AStormwith good bass response22:28
AStormol_schoola: so it's esd22:28
* AStorm will mod gst to use alsasink22:28
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AStormok, tghere's no key22:31
qwerty12_N800You could take quick way out and make canola use mplayer and set ao to alsa22:31
AStormI need full path for the setting (gconf editor)22:31
AStormqwerty12_N800: hmm, good way to test, thx22:31
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AStormbut I still need to change gst settings22:31
AStormqwerty12_N800: how do I make canola use mplayer for playback?22:32
qwerty12_N800vi .atabake/config and22:33
qwerty12_N800audio = oms to audio = mplayer22:33
AStormalsa_dsp_transfer(): Requested too much data transfer (playing only 2048)22:34
KotCzarnyedit /etc/asound.conf22:34
KotCzarnyi have managed to fix it that way22:35
ol_schoolaAStorm: Senn pc156 without the USB dongle are perfect for the n95, 0 -100% vol with no distortion, typical 95 hiss22:35
AStormmplayer uses sdl22:35
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qwerty12_N800You can change that22:35
KotCzarnyastorm: it's alsa22:35
AStormol_schoola: prob. matched impendance22:35
KotCzarnyasound.conf is alsa config22:35
AStormKotCzarny: checking22:36
ol_schoolaAStorm: same setup with the n800 and the low end get's ornery at 70% vol22:36
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, not by default22:36
ol_schoolausing Norah Jones material, well known to my ears22:36
AStormKotCzarny: no such file22:36
KotCzarnyqwerty: alsa_dsp_transfer22:36
KotCzarnydefinitely alsa22:36
AStormdefinitely bad mplayer or driver22:36
qwerty12_N800but ao=sdl,gst :)22:36
qwerty12_N800in .mplayer/config22:37
KotCzarnyqwerty: heh, so alsa_dsp_transfer has nothing with alsa?22:37
KotCzarnythat's new one22:37
ol_schoolaahhh, i c22:37
qwerty12_N800:), maybe sdl uses alsa :/22:38
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AStormI forced alsa22:38
KotCzarnythat's my config22:38
AStormnow I set sdl_audiodriver to alsa22:39
AStormKotCzarny: testing22:39
qwerty12_N800thx KotCzarny22:39
qwerty12_N800mplayer works with alsa fine over a2dp22:39
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ol_schoolahas anyone been using the motorola stero blurtooth set?22:41
AStormKotCzarny: fail22:41
AStorm0 sound here22:41
ol_schoolastereo bluetooth22:41
AStormI can't kill esd btw22:41
KotCzarnystopit with rc script22:41
qwerty12_N800or killall for sum dsmetool lovin22:42
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AStormKotCzarny: triple whammy22:44
AStormInconsistency detected by dl-runtime.c: 77: _dl_fixup: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 22' failed!22:44
AStormmplayer .2722:44
qwerty12_N800vdso! :p rubbish j/k22:44
AStormnow esd got rfestarted by ui22:46
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AStormI need asym22:46
qwerty12_N800I think it would be interesting if ppl managed to compile working, newer versions  of the stock, base software (esd, matchbox, gstreamer, bluez etc)22:50
KotCzarnycompilation is not a problem22:51
KotCzarnykeeping it stable is22:51
keesjupgrade the toolchain perhaps ?22:51
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qwerty12_N800i'd accept losing stabilty for newer components :)22:52
KotCzarnyno, you won't22:52
qwerty12_N800believe me, my n800 already feels like that ;) :p22:52
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AStormhow do I get rid of that esd, w/o disabling system sounds?22:55
AStormcrash w/ pcm1 and pcm_rec122:58
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AStormdevice busy with pcm0/pcm_rec22:58
KotCzarnytry 2 and 3 too22:58
AStormesd is still starting22:59
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AStormeven wo system sounds22:59
AStormand after I removed it with update-rc.d22:59
KotCzarnymaybe autodetection in mplayer starts it22:59
AStormreboot is warranted22:59
AStormnah, it's ui22:59
AStormbrb, reboot22:59
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GrackleIs /etc/osso-af-init/ a standard script? I don't seem to have it.23:14
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lcuksudo apt-get install kids-in-bed23:25
AStormalsa is sloow with plug inbetween23:25
KotCzarnyapt-get: can't install kids-in-bed because of conflict: tv-set and internet is installed23:26
AStormI mean, through that pcm223:26
lcukits actually complaining about warm weather23:26
lcukive tried all sorts of bribes and we have just got back in after playing football23:27
Proteoussudo make me breakfast23:27
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AStormKotCzarny: is it playing well for you?23:28
KotCzarnyastorm: let me check, i know i was playing with it before it started working23:28
KotCzarnylcuk: cold shower?23:29
AStormok, audio is mixed in sw23:30
KotCzarnyalsa-init: buffer_time: 0, period_time :023:30
KotCzarnyAO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)23:30
KotCzarnyworking all right23:30
AStormwhich is too slow23:30
KotCzarnytry: renice 0 `pidof Xomap`23:31
AStormI have that23:31
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AStormit is sound which is eating cpu like mad23:32
AStormwith pcm2 and 323:32
AStormwith pcm1 I get device busy23:32
KotCzarnytry 0 or 1 ?23:32
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KotCzarnyload on my nokia is ~0.4-0.5 playing mp323:33
AStormdevice busy23:33
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AStormmaybe it's some mipid_esd in the bg23:33
KotCzarnyso it's more of novelty than usable output23:33
AStormreboot once again (moved esd out)23:34
KotCzarnyNokia-N800-51-3:~# ps ax|grep esd23:34
KotCzarny  118 root            SW< [mipid_esd]23:34
AStormmaybe just cpu load is too high23:34
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KotCzarnymay be23:34
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KotCzarnycpu is at 400mhz23:34
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KotCzarny |> Playing Wilki i Robert Gawlinski - Nie stalo sie nic - Robert Gawlin.mp3.23:35
AStormsuck then23:36
AStormwe need non-esd optimized sound mixing23:37
AStormesd is cheating somehow23:37
KotCzarnyesd sucks cpu23:37
NullM0demesd should run on desktops23:37
qwerty12_N800it does? :/23:38
AStormit runs here23:38
AStormand somehow it doesn't suck cpu23:38
AStormwhile alsa does23:38
NullM0dema small jackd would be nice23:38
AStormstill, why is the device busy?23:38
AStorm(pcm0 and 1)23:38
AStormnothing should be using it23:39
KotCzarnyand apparently does23:39
AStormone more reboot?23:39
KotCzarnyfuser ?23:39
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* briand will be back in a few... I'm headed out to look at the CaseLogic case for my n800 & iGo.. and add some asbestos to my InternetSurfingSuit. ;)23:40
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AStormhow do I kill a dsp task?23:44
AStormthat mipid_esd23:44
AStormpcm1 and pcm0 aren't set in dsp config23:46
AStormonly pcm2 is23:46
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AStormcan't send directly to the deviice, btw23:47
AStormwith standard hw23:47
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AStormI get "invalid ioctl"23:48
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AStormprobably a kernel issue23:49
AStorm(e.g. missing alsa driver :P)23:49
AStormbtw, what is this aep dsp task?23:50
AStormother are sound fmt decoders23:51
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AStormmight be a corruption of eap?23:52
KotCzarnynever noticed that one23:52
AStormI'll stop that dsp tasklet23:52
AStormhmm, can't23:54
AStormrestart is disabled23:54
AStormI'll comment that module out and see23:55
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GrackleCan anyone tell me anything about maemo-af-desktop? I've been looking at alternate window managers to see how others are setting them up, and one step seems to stop maemo-af-desktop, but I don't have that file..23:56
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qwerty12_N800Grackle, do you have at least 2gb mmc? if so, look into kde.23:58
GrackleI have a 1GB mmc. I don't want KDE, though.23:58
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lcuki have a 1gb micro sd - its got a micro to mini converter thing.  if i now go out and pick up an 8gb micro card will the converter i have now work for the larger capacity model?23:59
GrackleThe cards are the same electrically23:59
lcukcool :D so i am over my hump and my n810 is micro compatible23:59
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