IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-05-02

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plb_	man...how long does it take for gps on an n810 to fix it's location	00:32
term-sig	ages man ;>	00:32
plb_	I'm beginning to see that	00:32
plb_	I let it sit for like half an hour and nothing	00:32
Navi	Anywhere from a minute to forever	00:32
plb_	heh	00:32
term-sig	buy external one...	00:32
term-sig	or htc	00:32
KotCzarny	plb: check if you have old gpsd version	00:32
plb_	how?	00:32
lardman	KotCzarny: shouldn't matter	00:33
lardman	vote on agps bug	00:33
KotCzarny	lardman: still -23 had some bugs	00:33
KotCzarny	hmm	00:33
lardman	yeah, but leap-year bug doesn't matter anymore	00:33
KotCzarny	i think dpkg -l \| grep gps	00:33
plb_	ok	00:33
KotCzarny	it's not only about leap-year i think	00:33
qwerty12_N800	if you have symbian phone with gps, grab extgps	00:34
pupnik	wasn't that bug discredited?	00:34
lardman	in any case the fix part is more to do with gpsdriver, nothing to do with gpsd	00:34
n800n	penguinbait: can you run audacity on kde/n800?	00:34
qwerty12_N800	pupnik, yes	00:34
qwerty12_N800	penguinbait went time ago	00:34
n800n	sorry, scrolled up	00:35
KotCzarny	lardman: still, people that moved from -23 to -25 experienced quicker fixes	00:35
plb_	er how do you do a pipe \| ?	00:35
KotCzarny	try shift-\	00:36
qwerty12_N800	n800n, it may be possible to run in maemo, it's not dependent on kde but no one compiled it	00:36
lardman	KotCzarny: small sample size, I think it comes down to chance; as much was said on the ITT thread	00:36
KotCzarny	lardman: still, having old version isn't helping	00:36
KotCzarny	:)	00:36
plb_	which is shift key on the 810?	00:37
lardman	yeah, no harm in upgrading I suppose, as long as the package name doesn't screw things up - which was the problem with that upgrade	00:37
n800n	hm	00:37
n800n	need more musicians w/n800s	00:37
pupnik	I see it this way: if i'm ever really lost biking or hiking, i'll be able to walk to an open space and get a gps fix in 1-5 minutes	00:37
lardman	and you can survive without water for 3 days so that should be enough ;D	00:38
KotCzarny	pupnik: what if there is thunderstorm? :)	00:38
qwerty12_N800	pupnik, i'd place better bets on emergerncy services finding you out faster.	00:38
qwerty12_N800	remove out.	00:39
lardman	to give it its due, I went to Oz from the UK and got a fix in only a few minutes	00:39
lardman	I had a good view of the sky though, which is a limiting factor for most of us	00:40
pupnik	does anyone here understand why it takes a while?	00:40
KotCzarny	i would bet on software	00:40
KotCzarny	:)	00:40
pupnik	must be horribly complicated due to something or other	00:40
lardman	the ephemeris data are transmitted by the satellites, the GPS must scan to work out which satellites are in view before it knows what freqs to lock on to	00:41
qwerty12_N800	according to johnx, it uses really bad ti chipset meant to be used with agps	00:41
lardman	if it has an idea, it can scan fewer freqs, so has a better chance of picking up the signal	00:41
pupnik	ah, so a gps receiver does band-switching to test for sat availability	00:41
lardman	yes, it scans all of the bands, until it finds something to lock on to (I think), then downloads the ephemeris (~20s) then knows what to lock on to	00:42
lardman	what else to lock on to	00:42
lardman	anyway I'm sure wikipedia would do a better job of explaining :)	00:43
plb_	KotCzarny: osso-gpsd?	00:45
KotCzarny	what version?	00:46
qwerty12_N800	yeh	00:46
plb_	1.0-25	00:46
KotCzarny	then it's latest i think	00:46
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plb_	hm need some good games to play	00:51
plb_	for tablet	00:51
plb_	is this vgba any good?	00:52
qwerty12_N800	it's the only good gba emu we got so i'd say yeh	00:53
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term-sig	quake plb_ !	00:55
term-sig	the best game in the world.	00:55
term-sig	;]	00:55
plb_	heh	00:55
plb_	I'm surprised no enemy territory	00:55
plb_	=)	00:55
lcuk	there is	00:55
pupnik	plb_: ur quan masters is one of the best	00:55
lcuk	just goto apple.com/iphone	00:56
pupnik	well... nevermind	00:56
plb_	eww	00:56
pupnik	plb_: what do you want to play	00:56
plb_	I dunno I just my 810 so I'm looking for all kinds of apps and games to load up on it	00:57
pupnik	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12	00:57
qwerty12_N800	why not actually try looking in the games section, 10 pages isn't a lot, i've been through it 7 time	00:58
qwerty12_N800	s	00:58
plb_	ya there is quite a bit of games ;]	00:58
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pupnik	i probably know every game on the tablets	00:59
pupnik	install numpty physics first - nice to show off your tablet with that	00:59
plb_	I have numpty already ;]	01:00
plb_	it's a pain though cause I lost the stylus lol	01:00
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n800n	numpty is awesome	01:11
n800n	i just installed it 1 h ago	01:12
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NullM0dem	should i back up my maps from the n810's internal card before i format it?	01:26
KotCzarny	if you want to keep them	01:26
KotCzarny	:)	01:26
NullM0dem	:)	01:26
NullM0dem	This thing rocks, I had to force myself to sleep :-D	01:27
KotCzarny	yeah, it's nice	01:28
sp3000	!?	01:29
sp3000	modest doesn't decode format=flowed :(	01:29
zpol	bye	01:30
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jldiaz	anyone uses mauku here?	01:37
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lcuk	.	01:41
KotCzarny	o	01:42
lcuk	( )	01:42
KotCzarny	.-.	01:42
KotCzarny	`-'	01:42
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lcuk	_	01:42
lcuk	damn i cant do slashes	01:42
KotCzarny	:)	01:43
* KotCzarny hands lcuk a basket of slashes '/////'		01:43
* lcuk makes em all left handed \\\\\		01:43
lcuk	ive still got block	01:44
KotCzarny	http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4467	01:44
KotCzarny	get yourself a zeppelin	01:44
sp3000	and drop slashes from orbit	01:45
lcuk	WOW!	01:45
sp3000	...well, provided it's an orbital rocket zeppelin	01:45
lcuk	i would need a parachute, but simply wow	01:45
KotCzarny	impractical in windy areas	01:45
KotCzarny	;)	01:45
lcuk	yer, most people use hand gliders around here :)	01:46
lcuk	(my dad for one)	01:47
KotCzarny	'hang'	01:47
KotCzarny	;)	01:47
lcuk	in one ear out the other. canvass all over again..	01:47
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KotCzarny	you didn't used my corrected version?	01:48
KotCzarny	:)	01:48
lcuk	of course, and by use i now know :) though ive slipped a few times but now theres enough of a codebase that its self rectifying :)	01:49
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KotCzarny	it should have prevented you from using bad ones :)	01:49
lcuk	it felt wrong when i picked up some vb code the other day with the wrong spelling	01:50
lcuk	it did..	01:50
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lcuk	im being heavily sidetracked at the moment thinking about text processing and i dont wanna be	01:50
KotCzarny	i think it's just something you can unlearn by replacing	01:51
KotCzarny	get a shower then?	01:51
KotCzarny	:)	01:51
lcuk	i never knew it was wrong though	01:51
KotCzarny	white noise of water should fix it	01:51
lcuk	its not fixed it for the last few nights	01:51
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lcuk	in vb its easy to read and write multi format data in text files. in c its trickier. its just an unload though, its bringing back all my parsing and grammar thoughts that roll around	01:53
KotCzarny	i like php in this area	01:53
KotCzarny	makes text processing swift	01:53
KotCzarny	:)	01:53
KotCzarny	find/write a helper functions	01:54
lcuk	what do you think has sidetracked me..	01:54
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plb_	hm how can you mimick a right click to save image as ?	01:54
lcuk	i practically finished a little deep pattern recursive scanner	01:55
KotCzarny	plb: hold it for a 1-2 sec	01:55
plb_	ah thanks	01:55
lcuk	the bitch is scanf would work if it would stop reading a %s when the next constant section of the pattern was encountered	01:56
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KotCzarny	huh?	01:57
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lcuk	if you did a scanf with something like scanf(data," fn %20s('%10s',%i,%i)" , &fnname, &arg1,&arg2,&arg3) i would expect fnname to only hold the data upto the ( but it doesnt, it holds the next 20 chars	01:59
KotCzarny	that's why i like regexps	02:00
KotCzarny	:)	02:00
KotCzarny	link against some regexp lib?	02:00
lcuk	ok :) ill see whats around, ta	02:01
lcuk	regex.h :)	02:01
KotCzarny	pcre	02:03
KotCzarny	that's the name	02:03
KotCzarny	do man pcre	02:03
KotCzarny	:)	02:03
KotCzarny	or go to ftp://ftp.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programming/pcre	02:04
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towo	although scanf has the advantage of being almost exponentially more performant...	02:04
KotCzarny	it will be a book reader	02:04
KotCzarny	not db converter	02:05
lcuk	scanf works for numbers and constants, but fails for string tokens	02:05
KotCzarny	:)	02:05
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lcuk	actually, i think im gonna write the file as fixed width	02:06
lcuk	then i can just read it without faffing	02:06
n800n	anyone ever tried to change the taskbar width?	02:06
KotCzarny	i have changed it's width to 8px once	02:07
KotCzarny	doesn't looked nice	02:07
KotCzarny	:)	02:07
n800n	i can imagine	02:07
towo	My fingers are too large for anything smaller. ;)	02:08
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KotCzarny	and background for status bar was wrongly moved to the left too	02:08
KotCzarny	that's why i use nuvoclear now	02:08
KotCzarny	:)	02:08
towo	thar be no screenshots.	02:09
n800n	does that little clock for status show up right with nuvo?	02:09
KotCzarny	yes	02:09
n800n	here it looks weird	02:09
n800n	looked	02:09
KotCzarny	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png	02:10
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n800n	lazy	02:10
n800n	http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png	02:10
KotCzarny	fail.	02:11
n800n	nice	02:11
n800n	i had xmms for about 1 hour	02:12
n800n	i should try it again	02:12
n800n	had quirks	02:12
KotCzarny	what quirks?	02:12
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n800n	gui wise	02:13
n800n	i don't remember	02:13
KotCzarny	try my build then	02:13
n800n	deb?	02:13
KotCzarny	somewhere on that site	02:13
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KotCzarny	probably n800/dist/	02:14
n800n	got it	02:14
n800n	ooooh k	02:15
n800n	tons of stuff in that xmms dir	02:15
KotCzarny	mostly deps	02:16
KotCzarny	:)	02:16
KotCzarny	you can ignore _dev packages	02:16
jldiaz	maiku anyone?	02:17
n800n	what's etch?	02:17
KotCzarny	debian's version	02:17
n800n	hm missing libs	02:18
jldiaz	is it possible to tell X-window to use a different display for input and output?	02:19
jldiaz	for example, the mouse input is read at one host, but the events are sent to a different host	02:19
KotCzarny	jldiaz: x2x	02:19
jldiaz	KotCzarny, thanks, I'll investigate that. Is it supported on maemo?	02:20
KotCzarny	if one compiles it for it	02:20
KotCzarny	:)	02:20
jldiaz	I'm thinking that this could be a solutio for the idea I posted today in the forum, about using the n810 as a tablet digitizer	02:20
KotCzarny	i don't know if x server on tablet listens on tcp/udp though	02:21
KotCzarny	for sending it should work	02:21
KotCzarny	:)	02:21
KotCzarny	but wouldn't it be easier to use vnc?	02:21
KotCzarny	:>	02:21
jldiaz	Hum...	02:21
KotCzarny	you will get drawing display as a bonus	02:21
KotCzarny	;)	02:21
jldiaz	perhaps, but more lag, due to the higher bandwidth	02:21
KotCzarny	lag? that depends on options used	02:22
KotCzarny	but i agree	02:22
jldiaz	if I could turn off the display...	02:22
KotCzarny	bandwidth is limiter	02:22
lcuk	i think vnc is great, but it wont take over pressure information because motion is translated into a mouse	02:22
jldiaz	and only sent the mouse...	02:22
jldiaz	that would work	02:22
KotCzarny	anyway, try x2x	02:23
lcuk	i like the idea of extending normal desktop to it sometimes - have software on the big screen be able to access the display and input	02:23
jldiaz	anyway, when I move the mouse in the VNC client, and see how the mouse moves on the display's server... the movement is not smooth	02:23
jldiaz	lcuk, this can be done without installing any extra software	02:24
jldiaz	simply connect from your tablet to your desktop pc (via ssh -X) and run any desktop application	02:24
jldiaz	you probably will find some problems related to fonts, but it should work	02:25
lcuk	not in windows it wouldnt..	02:25
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jldiaz	I was able to run gedit this way	02:25
jldiaz	gedit run in Ubuntu, but displayed in the n810	02:25
jldiaz	(run->ran)	02:25
KotCzarny	ssh -X is just a shortcut for ssh -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000 i think	02:25
KotCzarny	:)	02:25
jldiaz	it is	02:25
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jldiaz	no	02:26
jldiaz	wait	02:26
jldiaz	it is not	02:26
jldiaz	it is more complex	02:26
jldiaz	it is something like	02:26
jldiaz	ssh -L 6000:127.0.0.1:6010	02:26
jldiaz	plus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:190	02:26
jldiaz	plus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:10	02:26
jldiaz	all transparently	02:26
KotCzarny	maybe some mitshm cookies are involved too	02:27
jldiaz	or perhaps I put the 6000 and 6010 the other way around, but you get the idea	02:27
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KotCzarny	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia	02:28
lcuk	how quick is that? ie what would the chances of decoding and scaling a large video from desktop with plenty of power and then sending over the wire at correct resolution	02:28
KotCzarny	nice condition to have	02:28
KotCzarny	;)	02:28
KotCzarny	lcuk: it sends images uncompressed i think	02:28
* lcuk scraps that idea		02:29
KotCzarny	yeah	02:29
KotCzarny	:)	02:29
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lcuk	i might have to see just how much bandwidth is available though	02:29
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KotCzarny	wifi on tablet is limited	02:30
jldiaz	hmm.. another crazy idea... Can I run x2x in the desktop PC, and tell it to use the nokia X-server as input?	02:30
jldiaz	this way I don't require even to compile x2x for maemo	02:30
KotCzarny	don't know	02:30
KotCzarny	refer to x2x documentation	02:30
KotCzarny	because i haven't used it	02:31
KotCzarny	:)	02:31
jldiaz	I'll try this now :-)	02:31
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jldiaz	I DID IT!!	02:38
jldiaz	ops, sorry for crying	02:38
KotCzarny	:)	02:38
jldiaz	I have to tell this to someone	02:39
KotCzarny	someone special?	02:39
KotCzarny	:)	02:39
jldiaz	in the nokia, simply: ssh -X myubuntu	02:39
flo_lap	good night	02:39
jldiaz	then, over the ssh sesion, in myubuntu:	02:39
jldiaz	echo $DISPLAY	02:39
jldiaz	localhost:11.0	02:39
jldiaz	and then	02:39
jldiaz	x2x -from :11 -to :0	02:39
jldiaz	et voila	02:39
jldiaz	a blank window opened in the nokia	02:40
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KotCzarny	how about: ssh -X myubuntu DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 x2x -from :11 -to :0	02:40
KotCzarny	:)	02:40
jldiaz	when I move the stylus over that window, the mouse pointer moves in the ubuntu machine	02:40
jldiaz	when I press keys in the n810 keyboard, the letters appear in the ubuntu machine	02:40
jldiaz	it's like magic!	02:40
KotCzarny	no, it's xfree	02:41
KotCzarny	:)	02:41
jldiaz	So I have a cheap (cheap? ehem) digitizer!	02:41
KotCzarny	and ssh	02:41
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jldiaz	Perhaps even the pressure information is sent	02:41
jldiaz	why not, all is possible	02:41
mibus	that's a pretty cool trick :)	02:42
KotCzarny	i like remote computing too	02:43
KotCzarny	i'm lazy	02:43
KotCzarny	:)	02:44
jldiaz	and I do not loose the control of the mouse in the desktop	02:44
jldiaz	I can use the keyboard and mouse normally	02:44
jldiaz	and also the tablet	02:44
KotCzarny	yes	02:44
KotCzarny	having fun with *nix already?	02:44
KotCzarny	:)	02:44
jldiaz	not new to unix...	02:44
KotCzarny	but feel like?	02:45
KotCzarny	:)	02:45
jldiaz	I'm using Unix from 1995, and only unix (windows removed) from 2000	02:45
jldiaz	but every day I learn a new trick	02:45
johnx	yeah, I know the feeling. :)	02:46
jldiaz	I'll try running the gimp, to see if pressure information is present	02:47
KotCzarny	i had some problems with pressure information even on native tablet (thinkpad x41)	02:47
KotCzarny	managed to use it after some battling though :)	02:47
KotCzarny	but i don't think it's sent, or read on tablet without some changes in source	02:48
jldiaz	no... x2x do not send pressure information :(	02:48
KotCzarny	tablet == nokia	02:48
jldiaz	anyway... far better than the mouse	02:48
jldiaz	indeed, the tests I'm doing are a lot more convolved than I told	02:49
jldiaz	because I'm at home, but the Ubuntu machine running x2x is at my work	02:49
jldiaz	I'm using VNC at home with x11vnc at work	02:50
KotCzarny	hehe	02:50
jldiaz	the nokia is at home, in my LAN, behind the IP of my desktop PC	02:50
jldiaz	which uses IP masquerading...	02:50
jldiaz	I'm feeling dizzy..	02:50
johnx	:D ok, that's a lot more awesome	02:50
KotCzarny	:)	02:50
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KotCzarny	nah	02:51
NullM0dem	x2x would be cool on the n810, for mousing	02:51
KotCzarny	:)	02:51
jldiaz	so, I use the stylus in the nokia to move the mouse in the PC at my work, and see the results at the home PC, via VNC	02:51
jldiaz	whoa	02:51
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NullM0dem	pretty slick	02:51
KotCzarny	add a motorized cat and i'm sold	02:52
KotCzarny	;)	02:52
jldiaz	XD	02:52
NullM0dem	i there a way to just project one app over vnc from a windows desktop? sort of like x over ssh?	02:52
KotCzarny	with camera etc	02:52
KotCzarny	;)	02:52
KotCzarny	nm: DISPLAY=something your_app	02:52
NullM0dem	that work linux to windows?	02:53
jldiaz	NullM0dem, if you put the window at some fixed position, you can tell the vnc server to capture only that rectangle	02:53
KotCzarny	if you have x server running on window	02:53
KotCzarny	:)	02:53
NullM0dem	ah cool thanks	02:53
NullM0dem	im thinking for work	02:53
jldiaz	well, in fact I'm not sure about that	02:53
jldiaz	depends on the vnc server	02:53
jldiaz	and I don't remenber if tightvnc or ultravnc allow for that	02:54
NullM0dem	only have 2 apps i need windows for, i run 2000 in a vm ontop of linux.	02:54
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NullM0dem	one is a phone control apps i would like to touch screen on the n810 :)	02:54
jldiaz	Excuse me, I have to post at itt about the x2x tricj	02:54
jldiaz	trick	02:54
jldiaz	thanks for the tip, KotCzarny	02:54
NullM0dem	jldiaz: enjoy your pocket sized desktop remote :)	02:55
* KotCzarny waits for the treat		02:56
Grackle	Is there anything I can do about the typing delay on my N800? I experience it when ssh'ing in,when using my bluetooth keyboard, or even when using my usb keyboard. :/	02:56
KotCzarny	grackle: lower wifi power saving	02:56
jldiaz	uh oh, an inexpected side effect..	02:56
jldiaz	I'm unable to close the x2x session from the nokia!	02:56
johnx	KotCzarny, that effects usb keyboards used locally?	02:56
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KotCzarny	johnx: that will help with ssh	02:57
KotCzarny	:)	02:57
jldiaz	all the screen is captured, including the close button, application list menu, etc...	02:57
jldiaz	I had to killall x2x from the Ubuntu	02:57
KotCzarny	jildiaz: run killall x2x	02:57
KotCzarny	you can control ubuntu, yes?	02:57
Grackle	It's not any worse when using ssh	02:57
KotCzarny	:)	02:57
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Grackle	It seems worse in some applications. xterm is particularly bad, which sucks, because that is where most of my typing is done.	02:58
pupnik_	sucks... bad	02:59
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pupnik_	bad criticism sucks	02:59
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Grackle	Oops, I wiped the close button off the screen. :P	02:59
lcdd	i'm suffering from a loose battery. ever so gentle bumps cause the tablet to turn off	03:00
lcdd	wonder if this is common?	03:01
Grackle	I dropped mine on the floor and the battery came out. That's sort of similar.	03:01
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johnx	asciimstr had a problem that sounded similar but he never traced it to the battery	03:01
johnx	that would make the most sense though...	03:01
Grackle	lcdd: are the battery springs springing properly?	03:01
Grackle	It might be worth cleaning them and the battery contact error	03:02
Grackle	area	03:02
lcdd	trying cleaning right now	03:02
Grackle	Is it actually the battery? Like, when you poke at the battery, it stops working?	03:02
lcuk	just get a piece of paper folded over a could of times to ensure the battery is snugly seated	03:02
Grackle	hmm	03:02
lcdd	Grackle: i guess it might be something else, but i doubt it	03:03
lcuk	my battery just falls out if the back isnt on, and the back is flimsy so i can understand it being the battery	03:03
Grackle	Makes sense to me.	03:03
pupnik_	i like snugly seated	03:03
pupnik_	hmm.. song name	03:04
Grackle	So does anyone else experience the typing delay I mentioned, or is it just that nobody else is really bothered by it?	03:07
lcuk	just a minute	03:07
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johnx	Grackle, I run into it in a web browser where it is really annoying	03:08
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johnx	in most other cases it isn't quite enough to bother me	03:08
lcuk2	right im typing now from my 810 using bt keyboard and it seems as instant as it always has	03:08
johnx	but I've been used to putting up with ssh connections over modems for a long time O_o	03:08
lcuk2	i think though on the screen its not refreshing instantly	03:09
lcuk2	but thats just a graphics limitation at the resolution/colordepth	03:09
johnx	lcuk2, but does it seem like a screen refresh issue or a typing lag issue?	03:09
lcuk2	its not typing lag because i can press return and have instant results and be ready to type the next line	03:10
Grackle	it's definitely a typing issue on my machine	03:10
pupnik_	i get instant response on 770. heard one other complaint about slow bluetooth on n810	03:10
lcuk2	its not a case of any kind of lag	03:10
johnx	replying to a post on iTT on the tablet easily gets me 30 seconds plus of typing lag	03:10
mibus	lcuk2: you could try VNCing into another machine (or ssh+screen) so you can see the output elsewhere	03:10
Grackle	hmmm	03:10
lcuk2	im reading back my text from the big screen as well as from the tablet screen	03:10
lcuk	i can be in two places at once	03:10
lcuk2	see i am up there as well	03:10
lcuk2	no lag	03:11
lcuk2	no slowdown all instant?	03:11
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lcuk2	do you have something running taking cpu	03:11
johnx	probably just microb :/	03:11
lcuk2	sounds reasonable	03:11
lcuk2	especially with flash or something on screen	03:12
KotCzarny	low memory situation?	03:12
KotCzarny	btw. anyone else experienced speedups when disabling maemo-launcher's gtk booster?	03:12
lcuk2	im taking this little keyboard on holiday and i have gcc on tablet now	03:12
lcuk2	im only missing a couple of libraries and i can dev directly on it	03:12
lcuk2	no but then again i dont personally run too much on mine	03:13
Grackle	Hmm KotCzarny?	03:14
KotCzarny	grackle?	03:14
lcuk2	ok i think i need to sleep	03:14
lcuk2	gnite ppl	03:14
Grackle	What is this gtk booster you speak of?	03:14
KotCzarny	nite lcuk	03:14
KotCzarny	:)	03:14
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jldiaz	done	03:15
KotCzarny	grackle: it's supposed to speedup starting gtk apps	03:15
jldiaz	(posting to itt)	03:15
KotCzarny	but eats 20-30mb of ram	03:15
KotCzarny	and efficiently slowing everything down	03:15
KotCzarny	:)	03:15
Grackle	oh	03:15
jldiaz	KotCzarny, while posting, I simplified further the command:	03:15
Grackle	hah	03:15
KotCzarny	but that's my opinion	03:15
jldiaz	ssh -X myUnixDesktopIP x2x -to :0	03:15
jldiaz	the -from can be ommited, and in that case it takes the value of DISPLAY	03:15
jldiaz	that makes the command much more general	03:15
jldiaz	because the -X option not always uses the :11 as display	03:16
KotCzarny	:)	03:16
jldiaz	it depends on how much -X connectios you have stablished	03:16
KotCzarny	yup, you should leave ssh to set up display variable for you	03:16
KotCzarny	:)	03:16
jldiaz	exactly	03:16
jldiaz	and x2x to use it	03:16
jldiaz	it is a nice one-liner :)	03:17
* KotCzarny likes oneliners		03:17
jldiaz	however, despite my enthusiasm, it is actually not very useful	03:18
* Grackle is running x-forwarded xchat right meow		03:18
jldiaz	you cannot "move only" the mouse using the stylus, you aways "drag the mouse"	03:18
jldiaz	because when you tap, you left-click	03:19
KotCzarny	:)	03:19
jldiaz	and if you do not tap, you dont have any cue about where the pointer is	03:19
KotCzarny	vnc then	03:19
jldiaz	yep	03:19
KotCzarny	but it's general fun of interpeting tablet cursor	03:20
KotCzarny	interpreting	03:20
KotCzarny	most emulators suck hard on it :/	03:20
jldiaz	I guess that with enough training, you'll develop a sense of the position of the mouse, depending on the position of your hand over the tablet	03:21
KotCzarny	or a proper wallpaper?	03:21
KotCzarny	:)	03:21
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jldiaz	that's an idea, but when you run the remote x2x, all the local screen is blanked	03:22
jldiaz	(or "whited" to be precise)	03:22
KotCzarny	:)	03:22
jldiaz	we need a new application, kind of VNC but with very infrequent screen updates	03:23
n800n	blunketh	03:23
jldiaz	or can be that configured in standard vnc?	03:23
KotCzarny	manual	03:23
KotCzarny	:)	03:23
KotCzarny	because i don't know	03:23
jldiaz	:)	03:23
jldiaz	well, it is 2:26AM here, I'll better go to bed	03:26
jldiaz	see you!	03:26
KotCzarny	:)	03:27
term-sig	2:26 AM it's good time for coffe ;)	03:27
johnx	'night jldiaz	03:29
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n800n	i installed xmms but it's not showing up in apps	03:35
KotCzarny	maybe in 'others'	03:36
pupnik_	nobody has done freenx yet	03:38
pupnik_	i found a guy in australia who was developing freenx thin clients for ARM back in.. 2002	03:38
n800n	not in any menus	03:38
n800n	but it's in app manager	03:38
KotCzarny	well, if you installed mine 1.2.11 it should have added itself to apps	03:39
n800n	i went to the repository	03:40
n800n	but now i have the libs at least	03:40
n800n	so i could get your	03:40
n800n	s	03:40
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\|thunder	tablet-encode and mediasrv rock !	03:41
KotCzarny	assuming they have fixed that dialogs issue you don't have to :)	03:41
KotCzarny	but if file open dialog shows under the window then go on :)	03:42
n800n	libmikmod missing	03:42
KotCzarny	look in libs	03:43
n800n	found	03:44
n800n	dev one	03:44
KotCzarny	ignore _dev	03:44
KotCzarny	i mean you need regular one not _dev package	03:45
n800n	crashed. can you link to your url agsin?	03:45
KotCzarny	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/	03:46
n800n	should have bookmarked it	03:46
n800n	ty	03:46
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n800n	no go	03:51
n800n	updated xmms w/yours	03:51
KotCzarny	look in the last category, last position	03:51
n800n	i guess i should uninstall first	03:51
KotCzarny	in menu	03:51
n800n	not there	03:52
KotCzarny	but you can start it with xmms ?	03:52
n800n	xterm?	03:53
KotCzarny	yes	03:53
n800n	should be able to lets try	03:53
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n800n	hey sorry dealing with a bootcamp installation	04:19
n800n	i'll oick this up a lil later	04:19
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dick-richardson	anyone using twitter through gtalk on their tablet?	04:47
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term-sig	heil!	05:07
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skibur	Weird question about linux. Linus said he created Linux while studying at a University.... Doesn't that mean that the Univeristy has the rights to Linux?	05:24
johnx	nope, he created it outside of class	05:24
KotCzarny	and against his teacher hints	05:24
KotCzarny	;)	05:24
KotCzarny	or paradigms	05:25
KotCzarny	;)	05:25
mibus	I would assume that you'd own the copyright even if it was for class, unless you used the teacher's specific work as a direct base of your own work	05:26
derf	It depends on what agreements you made with the university.	05:27
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johnx	mibus, it can be complicated in many cases, especially if the university is paying you to do the research	05:27
mibus	derf: That would be true, I suppose.	05:27
Navi	http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/wii/devices/3827&cl=us,en <- best 15 dollar USB keyboard that I've found so far	05:27
Navi	>_>	05:27
mibus	johnx: I hadn't considered that (I never went beyond a "normal" degree myself)	05:27
derf	Yeah, usually if you're a student you haven't agreed to much.	05:27
derf	But once you become an employee, they ask you to sign all kinds of things.	05:27
johnx	Navi, that thing is ginormous though O_o	05:28
Navi	It's not that bad	05:28
skibur	I see	05:28
Navi	Te size of a normal keyboard	05:28
skibur	he was studying Operating Systems at that time	05:28
Navi	Can't find anything small for 15	05:29
Navi	Well, there's this I guess: http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/ultraslimkey.htm	05:31
johnx	nice, but still bigish	05:31
Navi	Chop off the numpad with a hacksaw :D	05:32
johnx	I'll see if I can dig up the listing for mine, but I don't know how you'd get it shipped	05:32
Navi	The Saitek Ultra Slim isn't too big.	05:33
Navi	just the media buttons up top waste space :(	05:34
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dick-richardson	Navi: I'm using that keyboard right now	05:36
dick-richardson	LOVE it	05:36
Navi	The Ultra Slim?	05:36
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dick-richardson	No, the logitech	05:37
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Navi	Ah	05:38
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Navi	Is it wireless?	05:39
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dick-richardson	no, just the $15 usb keyboard	05:39
Navi	Oh right	05:39
dick-richardson	Had wireless but went back to wired.	05:40
Grackle	I have the wireless version of that.	05:40
Navi	Heh	05:40
Grackle	I hate how the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdwn island is laid out, but other than that it's decent.	05:40
Navi	I'm fine with it	05:40
Grackle	Oh, the spacebar rattles when I play my music loud, but I wouldn't really call that a fault.	05:41
dick-richardson	The key feel is really good	05:41
Navi	I'm still waiting for johnx to pull up teh listing	05:41
Navi	^_^	05:41
johnx	yeah, so am I	05:41
johnx	my keyboard has no brand sticker on it	05:42
johnx	ah, it's prolly in the logs :D	05:42
Navi	Heh	05:42
* johnx searches		05:42
dick-richardson	any twitter users?	05:45
mibus	I have an account - is that the same thing? ;)	05:45
dick-richardson	keep from using it for as long as you can, worse than crack	05:46
mibus	lol	05:46
mibus	I only know a couple of others using it, which seems to limit it a fair bit	05:46
dick-richardson	I try to follow the tech pundits...there's often something good there.	05:47
mibus	any examples?	05:47
mibus	suggestions, rather?	05:47
dick-richardson	leolaporte and therealdvorak are interesting	05:47
mibus	thanks, I'll look into them	05:47
penguinbait	hey johnx?	05:48
johnx	hey penguinbait?	05:48
dick-richardson	hang on...i've heard this joke	05:48
dick-richardson	must be a take on the waltons	05:48
penguinbait	have you ever attempted to start a second X instance on tablet?	05:49
penguinbait	like Xomap -- :2	05:49
johnx	no, but i wouldn't guess there would be any problem	05:49
penguinbait	it seems to bleed through current screen	05:50
KotCzarny	hackish	05:50
KotCzarny	:)	05:50
penguinbait	I am thinking I need getty	05:50
penguinbait	?	05:50
penguinbait	can you run getty on these things?	05:50
johnx	hmm...it should figure out how get a new VT	05:50
johnx	that's a kernel level thing I thought	05:50
johnx	are you sure that it's not just failing to update the screen until you refresh it?	05:51
johnx	Navi, http://www.faith-go.co.jp/lists/viewitem.asp?id=000000200521158&rk=01000q4h00001w	05:51
penguinbait	it sure would be nice to have kde and maemo runnning at the same tme	05:51
johnx	I guess, but the swapping would be pretty miserable	05:51
skibur	:/	05:51
penguinbait	just toggle back an fourth	05:51
Navi	johnx, O_o	05:52
penguinbait	not sure, it might be ok	05:52
johnx	Navi, the whole thing is about as wide as the key area on a normal keyboard	05:53
johnx	(ie, from left shift to enter)	05:53
johnx	the d-pad is a little mushy but usable	05:53
Navi	Oh, I figure as much	05:56
Navi	So are the keys condensed?	05:56
johnx	oh yeah	05:56
johnx	noticeably	05:56
* Navi can't read japanese :(		05:56
johnx	you mean to understand the page? or to use the keyboard?	05:57
Navi	Haha	05:57
Navi	The page	05:57
johnx	the price is 1400JPY, which is almost exactly $14 these days	05:58
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Navi	I knew that much	05:59
johnx	:D really though, the page doesn't say much about it	06:00
Navi	but that's all	06:00
Navi	mmk	06:00
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johnx	it has 88 keys, and it's called the "su-ri-ma-mi-ni-ki-bo-do"	06:00
johnx	that's about it	06:01
Navi	mmk	06:01
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johnx	I know there are a couple mini-keyboards that should be available in the US	06:02
Navi	Where do you live?	06:03
johnx	Japan	06:03
Navi	icic	06:04
johnx	I picked the keyboard in Akihabara for $15 from a little shop that sells almost nothing but keyboards :)	06:04
Navi	Hehe	06:04
johnx	well, keyboards, asus eeepcs, and ds mod chips :D	06:04
Navi	:P	06:04
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Navi	Mmm	06:08
Navi	In a slightly related note, there's this Japanese person that moved here I know who works in a Taiwanese food place	06:10
johnx	cool. I guess that balances things out. (I'm American)	06:12
Navi	The shelves there are packed full of mangas in mandarin	06:14
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Navi	I can't read those either, so bleh	06:15
johnx	heh...manga, something for everyone	06:16
johnx	and I mean everyone	06:16
Navi	:)	06:16
johnx	you like playing tag? there's a manga about it! how about checkers? sure!	06:16
Navi	Haha	06:16
KotCzarny	mostly for pedophiles	06:16
KotCzarny	:>	06:16
NullM0dem	lol	06:16
johnx	yay, KotCzarny presents his informed opinion!	06:16
Navi	indeed	06:17
KotCzarny	well	06:17
Navi	I like reading manga using comix on the N800	06:17
Navi	the default keybinds were horrible and the hold for right click menu sucked	06:17
KotCzarny	johnx, but hey, all of them look like children	06:17
KotCzarny	even 'mature' girls	06:18
johnx	except when they don't	06:18
KotCzarny	name one?	06:18
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KotCzarny	and i don't say there are no good mangas	06:19
NullM0dem	hey guys, im tyring to back up the maps from my n810 so i can format the internal memory card, i cant seem to copy without error's. anyone know of a way around this. my card is corrupt from the factory, i would wipe the maps if i knew i could grab them online...	06:19
KotCzarny	but most of them are just run on the mill legs	06:19
KotCzarny	:)	06:19
NullM0dem	hentai or manga?	06:19
KotCzarny	manga	06:19
KotCzarny	nm: cp or tar fails?	06:20
NullM0dem	they all do look young... then again so do most woman from japan	06:20
NullM0dem	im using winblows, get cant read from sector error. i could try under linux but i feel its a corrupt read problem	06:20
KotCzarny	just skip offending file	06:21
KotCzarny	:)	06:21
NullM0dem	might as well wipe the maps	06:21
NullM0dem	:P	06:21
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johnx	use dd or the equivalent	06:21
NullM0dem	makes sense, need to switch to real OS first	06:22
NullM0dem	thanks	06:22
NullM0dem	any BS= tips? or should i just dd if=/dev/mmcfoo of=bar.img	06:22
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KotCzarny	i think there was a version of dd that skips over unreadable sectors	06:23
johnx	I'm willing to bet the corruption is at the fs level though	06:23
NullM0dem	my map apps crashes too	06:23
NullM0dem	i feel ive lost them	06:23
NullM0dem	anyplace to redownload?	06:24
johnx	yeah, there's a site, but you can download on the tablet too IIRC	06:24
NullM0dem	coool	06:24
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NullM0dem	formatting :)	06:24
NullM0dem	i still have to upgrade to 2008	06:24
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n800n	doesn't nokia have a map downloader?	06:27
n800n	for pc	06:27
n800n	iirc	06:27
mibus	NullM0dem: IIRC, conv=noerror stops dd from bailing entirely on read errors	06:28
mibus	NullM0dem: I used to dd floppies for recovery back in the day	06:28
n800n	lotsof iircs	06:29
mibus	NullM0dem: copy the whole disk as an image, then try mounting that	06:29
NullM0dem	mibus thanks, very usefull	06:29
mibus	NullM0dem: no probs	06:30
n800n	mounting is good	06:31
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NullM0dem	n800n: that depends on what your mounting :-P	06:35
KotCzarny	'you are'	06:35
NullM0dem	:(	06:36
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n800n	you'd think there are lots of mounting jokes in the nix world	06:36
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Proteous	at least buy me dinner first	06:41
penguinbait	http://www.schabell.com/2007/09/saw-this-on-t-shirt-unix-joke.html	06:42
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penguinbait	can you believe they left out head??	06:43
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n800n	hah	06:53
penguinbait	somebody laughed :)	06:54
NullM0dem	does the latest 2008 firmware contain that internal memory read only bug?	06:54
NullM0dem	id change it to grep -i burnette	06:55
NullM0dem	:)	06:55
KotCzarny	burn'ett	06:55
KotCzarny	e	06:55
NullM0dem	doh	06:55
penguinbait	night	06:59
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n800n	apple's windows drivers suck.	07:00
Navi	indeed	07:03
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JasonWoof	can I use a different keymap for my bluetooth keyboard?	07:40
JasonWoof	(n810)	07:41
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JasonWoof	there's two rather obvious and annoying problems with osso-xterm: 1) when you close the terminal (whith ctrl-d) it goes white, but does not close the window	08:01
JasonWoof	2) when you open a new window from the menu->Windows->New Window thing it opens, but doesn't get keyboard focus	08:02
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rm_you	hrm	08:18
rm_you	time to figure out how to disassemble my n800 >_>	08:18
Navi	Woo	08:18
rm_you	sup johnx	08:18
rm_you	hey Navi :P	08:18
Navi	hiya	08:18
rm_you	gah, i've been gone for a while >_>	08:18
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rm_you	damn	08:28
rm_you	no star screwdriver >_>	08:28
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Navi	Heh	08:32
Navi	Sucks	08:32
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rm_you	or...	08:38
rm_you	i guess it's a hex	08:38
Navi	:P	08:39
KotCzarny	hex star?	08:39
KotCzarny	:)	08:39
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Navi	Hey qwerty12	08:39
qwerty12	Hi Navi	08:40
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rm_you	damn... took it entirely apart, checked every connection three times, and it's still rebooting after less than 10 seconds every startup	09:14
rm_you	but it does the same thing in debian, so i'm pretty sure it isn't my flash, either	09:14
rm_you	but i'm still going to check	09:14
qwerty12	:(. dmesg saying anything?	09:14
rm_you	got a terminal and dmesg up RIGHT before it died this time	09:15
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rm_you	said something about a jffs2 CRC failing	09:15
threethirtyN800	hello all	09:15
rm_you	i guess my filesystem could be corrupted, but that's probably an effect, not the cause	09:16
rm_you	err, side-effect	09:16
qwerty12	Hmm, my N800 does that sometimes and restarts on boot, it fixes it and reboots again.	09:16
rm_you	could be bad ram?	09:16
rm_you	ram/rom?	09:16
rm_you	err	09:16
rm_you	bad flash?	09:16
qwerty12	But yes, I always get them if I shutdown by taking out the battery for example so it could be an effect.	09:16
KotCzarny	i bet on bad chip	09:17
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KotCzarny	or bad connection somewhere	09:17
rm_you	i rechecked every connection a lot	09:17
KotCzarny	fe. unsoldered chip/lane	09:17
rm_you	ah	09:17
rm_you	that kind of connection :/	09:17
KotCzarny	it can be unseen for the eye	09:17
rm_you	yeah	09:17
rm_you	well	09:17
rm_you	i could take it to the engineering department	09:18
KotCzarny	yup	09:18
rm_you	theres an electronics guy there that is super helpful	09:18
KotCzarny	experienced elecrtonics know some tricks	09:18
rm_you	not sure how he would check stuff tho :/	09:18
KotCzarny	bring gifts?	09:18
KotCzarny	;)	09:18
threethirtyN800	i have a really quick question, can someone point me to some info on fiximg my repos. i cant get them to refesh	09:20
rm_you	yeah it happens EXACTLY at the same time every time...	09:21
KotCzarny	rm_you: but you can flash it?	09:21
rm_you	i watch dmesg.... and it is basically blank... blank... blank... jffs2 CRC message -> crash	09:21
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rm_you	KotCzarny: yes...	09:22
rm_you	but this is the 6th or 7th flash with the same problem >_>	09:22
KotCzarny	tried cloning to sd ?	09:22
rm_you	whenever i flash it, it gets better for about a day	09:22
rm_you	and then degrades back to every 10 seconds	09:22
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qwerty12	How do you shutdown your N8*0 out of question?	09:22
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rm_you	KotCzarny: I could try running off SD	09:23
rm_you	i will try that right now	09:23
rm_you	err	09:23
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KotCzarny	rm_you: that would exclude bad flash	09:23
rm_you	well no... i am doing that with debian tho already	09:23
rm_you	and same problem	09:23
rm_you	i think... let me verify	09:23
qwerty12	solmumaha, Is it ok if I use your deb file and script for my ROTT half port please? I don't mind if you refuse, it would just make things easier for me.	09:27
qwerty12	^script to run the duke3d	09:28
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rm_you	hrm	09:45
rm_you	damn, yep... it reboots from debian too	09:45
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:55
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pupnik_	o/ Jaffa	10:58
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rm_you	hey Jaffa	11:03
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rm_you	any idea if mediaserv works for PS3 streaming? :P	11:03
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Ulysses222	Hi Jaffa, I have an issue with mediaserv and video center integration.	11:04
Jaffa	rm_you: dunno, buy me a PS3 and I'll make it work ;-)	11:10
rm_you	lol	11:13
rm_you	same could be said the other way around :P	11:13
rm_you	i don't actually have a PS3 yet, i'm just deciding how long it'd take me to make mediaserv work for it if i got one	11:14
rm_you	i was kinda hoping it might just "work" already :P	11:14
Cptnodegard	morning earthlings	11:17
Cptnodegard	last night i dreamt i had a tamagotchi app for the n800, that i had to feed by taking pics of food and sending to it with bt o_0	11:18
Cptnodegard	time to put away the tablet and go explore real life?	11:18
rm_you	lol	11:20
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Navi	Woo	11:22
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Navi	That'd be fun	11:22
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aquatix	morning all	11:48
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johnx	hey rm_you	12:10
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Cptnodegard	um halp	12:36
Cptnodegard	Warning: Wrong parameter count for str_replace() in /home/moedegaard/public_html/ctrlaltdel.php on line 9	12:36
Cptnodegard	wtf does that mean+	12:36
KotCzarny	maybe parameter count is wrong	12:36
Cptnodegard	and what is that?	12:36
KotCzarny	count of parameters	12:36
Cptnodegard	...you dont know php do you? :/	12:37
KotCzarny	i do	12:37
KotCzarny	:)	12:37
Cptnodegard	halp? 8#	12:37
jani	you are propably using #define'd string as a parameter and preprocessor doesnt see the % parameters ?	12:37
KotCzarny	it's just a mixture of c and perl	12:37
Cptnodegard	$url = str_replace("\<tr>\<td valign=\"top\">", $val);	12:37
Cptnodegard	thats the line in question	12:37
Cptnodegard	oh wait	12:37
KotCzarny	hehe	12:37
KotCzarny	:)	12:37
jani	=)	12:37
KotCzarny	yeah	12:37
KotCzarny	we are glad to be of any help ;)	12:38
Cptnodegard	lol	12:39
Cptnodegard	in my defense i dont knowany php...im just modifying shit :D	12:44
Cptnodegard	thats the 6th webcomic added to canola photocast ^^	12:46
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Blafasel	Hm?	12:47
Blafasel	webcomics?	12:47
Blafasel	Elaborate.. ;)	12:47
Cptnodegard	you know, like xkcd.com, ctrl alt del etc	12:47
Blafasel	I need a way to feed on xkcd, userfriendly, vgcats, giantitp/order of the stick and wulffmorgenthaler	12:47
Cptnodegard	im using PHP to extract the latest comic and make a XML readable by canola	12:48
Blafasel	So - where? How?	12:48
Blafasel	Ah..	12:48
Cptnodegard	this only works with the latest comics but sure can be adapted by someone who actually know php	12:48
Cptnodegard	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19698	12:48
tank-man	why not use plucker to grab the comics	12:48
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Blafasel	Cptnodegard: Hmm.. Interesting. I wonder what the legal situation is there, though	12:49
Cptnodegard	i ant the comics on canola, and only really need the newest ones	12:49
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Cptnodegard	dunno, Blafasel. im not physically copying the comics, im just removing everything but the link to the actual thing	12:50
Cptnodegard	an automatic way of "copy image location"	12:50
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Blafasel	Yeah. It's just a kind of "deep linking" imo. Well, nice anyway and a good idea.	12:51
Cptnodegard	worst case scenario i remove the ITT topic and use it only for personal use :)	12:51
Blafasel	;-)	12:51
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Cptnodegard	i have other php thingies as well... a script that lets me add postal tracking numbers (norway only) and get a feed that shows me the latest status of the package on the n800 rss reader	12:52
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Cptnodegard	the userfriendly ones is gif which canola wont do... i have aconversion script but havent made those feeds public because thats physically tampering with the strips	12:55
Blafasel	canola doesn't do gif? Is there still a patent issue with gif files? Or is this an oversight?	12:57
Jaffa	Patent's expired, I think.	12:57
Cptnodegard	if its not the feed only...it says no photos in feed if they are gif	12:58
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Cptnodegard	hmmm	12:59
Cptnodegard	whats the wildcard for php? if i want the replace function to remove a dynamic line in between others?	13:00
Cptnodegard	other static ones*	13:00
Blafasel	I don't understand the question, sorry	13:01
Cptnodegard	no biggie	13:01
Blafasel	But you might want to look into preg_replace / ereg_replace for "advanced" replacements	13:02
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Cptnodegard	again...dont know shit about php :) i jsut got a working script from a freidna dn adapting it for each comic	13:03
Cptnodegard	i got all the ones i want so ill leave it to others if they want to continue the idea	13:03
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florian	good morning	13:41
wom-_	afternoon :)	13:41
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lardman	morning	13:46
lcuk	evening :P	13:49
lcuk	i heard from the travel agency, ill be arriving at dinner time on wednesday and leaving on saturday teatime	13:50
Cptnodegard	time travel?	13:51
Cptnodegard	oh nvm	13:52
lardman	I booked yesterday, getting there on Tuesday evening, leaving Sat evening	13:52
lcuk	could be fun.	13:52
lcuk	i still dont know which hotel i am in, for all i know i could be expected to sleep on the streets	13:54
lardman	lol, i can't remember the name of the one I booked	13:54
lcuk	"you're a devloper, code up your own accommodation"	13:54
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lcuk	are you beavering away on dsp this afternoon then, or taking it easy	13:55
lardman	lcuk: day job!	13:55
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lardman	:)	13:55
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lcuk	ahhh i never knew your dayjob was talkin in maemo :P	13:56
lcuk	(sounds like mine as well)	13:56
lardman	though with that said, I might try to debug some DSP code if I get bored (strange thing I know)	13:56
lcuk	not really, i find it relaxing to code most of the time	13:57
lcuk	i see it as playing a game, get all the right pieces into place and you level up	13:57
lcuk	sometimes, theres a big evil end of level nasty which you have to work harder to get rid of ;0	13:57
lardman	I like the challenge of learning something new	13:58
lardman	and when you finish it's a good feeling too :)	13:58
lcuk	the problem is, like painting a good picture you are never finished. you have to draw the line somewhere	13:59
lcuk	my boss says we don't wanna be van goghs, we want reward for our hard work whilst we are still alive to enjoy it	14:00
lardman	:)	14:00
lcuk	have you actually got the dsp outputting real data now btw?	14:00
lardman	no, still odd patterns	14:01
lardman	though I've fed it a known pattern and tried outputting it as RGB444, so I can see if I can make some sense of it	14:01
lcuk	but thats par for the course with the framebuffer. are you starting with odd patterns though	14:01
lardman	yeah, was starting with a movie decoded to yv12 by the mplayer -vo yv4mpeg option	14:02
lcuk	i went through similar trials when i was first messing with omapfb, it wasnt until i moved to xv that it started to make proper sense - i just think my mind understands planar better	14:02
* lcuk was brought up with amiga bitplanes		14:03
lardman	~lart my network for continually resetting my sftp connection	14:03
* infobot puts my network through a wood chipper for continually resetting my sftp connection		14:03
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lcuk	are you taking a dev environment to germany with you?	14:05
lcuk	ie laptop	14:05
lardman	no, just N810	14:05
lcuk	:O so how will you manage to make changes to code whilst sat in the bar?	14:05
lardman	:)	14:06
lardman	I don't own a laptop	14:06
lcuk	having said that, ive got gcc and most of the dev tools on my 810	14:06
lcuk	i didnt until very recently - i was about 2mm from buying an eee, but i ended up getting hold of a spare machine	14:07
lcuk	does the dsp run in armel?	14:08
lcuk	or is it x86 only	14:08
lcuk	dsp compiler ^	14:09
lardman	x86 only	14:09
lcuk	thats a shame - linux or win binary?	14:10
lardman	Linux binary	14:10
lcuk	its not all bad then :P	14:10
lardman	no, works fine	14:11
lcuk	ill have to have a look at this dsp stuff soon enough if i can hand off even some of the blitting it should make life easier	14:12
lardman	only if you need to do some conversion to the data before blitting though, otherwise it's just overhad	14:12
lardman	overhead	14:12
lcuk	so giving it a list of pointers and offsets and saying "blit all these" wouldnt be worth it?	14:13
lardman	hmm	14:14
lardman	all of the pointers would have to point to the shared memory region	14:14
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lardman	so that the DSP can access the data	14:14
lcuk	i wouldnt expect it to be quick enough to do individual blits for me - the startup/shutdown overheads would be too great	14:14
lardman	but if the overhead of blitting each element is more significant than the overhrad of the ioctl call to tell the DSP to do it, then it might be worth doing	14:15
lcuk	ok, so at present i create a standard block of memory for font glyph data (though it could be sprites or something) if i made that a shm region it may work - hell the dsp could do the scaling for me with those	14:16
lcuk	brb	14:16
lardman	yes	14:16
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lcuk	(damn customers calling up disturbing me) cool about that :) shall get to specifics another time. i must dash properly, cya later lardman	14:25
lardman	np, cu	14:26
lardman	ssvb: ping	14:26
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lardman	Jaffa: See if you can find out about Jazelle :)	14:42
lardman	Ask them about the undocumented CPU coprocessor registers ;)	14:43
Jaffa	I'll try and nick some confidential stuff of the ARM stand ;)	14:43
lardman	actually see if they'll sue us if we get something running	14:44
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lardman	hmm, I've just read in that YUV data (4:2:0) and plotted in in MATLAB, and curiously I can display the Y plane by reading in 320x240 uchars; but then I need to read in 6 uchars, then the U and V planes 320/2 * 240/2	14:47
lardman	if that extra 6 uchars padding?	14:47
derf	Unlikely... 320x240 is divisible by 1024.	14:49
derf	What are the _first_ 6 chars of data?	14:49
lardman	ah, but the 1/2 size U and V planes aren't, so perhaps they are padded - I've not looked at their contents (as they are almost monochromatic)	14:49
derf	Usually you pad the _end_ of data to align the _start_.	14:49
lardman	the first 5 or so frames (Y+U+V) are all 0	14:49
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ssvb	hi lardman	14:51
lardman	hi ssvb	14:51
lardman	I'm battling with yuv4mpeg output :)	14:51
derf	I have no idea where you got this data, but stuff like the yuv4mpeg2 format prefixes each frame with the string "FRAME\n".	14:51
derf	Ah hah.	14:52
lardman	right, that may explain it then :)	14:52
lardman	thanks	14:52
derf	That's why I asked what the first 6 bytes were.	14:52
lardman	thought I was going mad	14:52
lardman	ah I see	14:52
lardman	oh, there's actually quite a lot of stuff in the first 0x30 bytes	14:53
lardman	I thought it would produce a raw stream	14:53
derf	Yes... that's the stream header.	14:53
derf	You know the mjpegtools project documents all of this.	14:54
lardman	I didn't, thanks. I was just looking for raw frame data to send to the DSP	14:54
lardman	with that said, although it displays on my PC, I cen't get the framebuffer to show anything useful	14:56
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lardman	ssvb: the latter elements of the update struct, out_x, out_y, out_width and out_height perform scaling on the output data presumably?	14:56
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lardman	no matter what I do with these, my output stays localised in the top lefthand corner of the screen (and is certainly smaller than the 320x240 region that I write to the FB shared memory	14:59
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ssvb	lardman: yes, I also noticed that it is buggy	15:02
lardman	I should probably do this development on the 770 and save these extra bits for later	15:02
ssvb	so you need x=out_x and y=out_y	15:03
lardman	that's what I did to begin with	15:03
lardman	and even if I change them and the width it doesn't seem to do much	15:03
ssvb	out_width and out_height should be larder or same than original width nad height	15:03
lardman	yep, I set them to 800 & 480	15:04
ssvb	downscaling is not supported	15:04
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lardman	Is the LCD controller's RGB444 just standard? and is it packed or are 4 bytes missed out?	15:05
lardman	that said, I should be able to just plot the Y plane in RGB565 rather than fiddling with RGB444	15:06
ssvb	i think RGB444 is not supported	15:07
lardman	hmm, it's in the list	15:07
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ssvb	lardman: I guess omapfb.h supports a larger set of devices than nokia internet tablets	15:08
ssvb	at least there are references to other hardware in the kernel sources	15:08
lardman	ah, good point, I'd not really thought of that	15:09
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ssvb	better use Epson documentation for the reference about color formats	15:09
lardman	ok, well 565 is in both so I'll try that and see what it outputs	15:10
lardman	Am heading home for lunch, will have a play and see if I can get RGB out, then if the YUV still doesn't work I'll ask you to take a look (and laugh) at it	15:11
lardman	:)	15:11
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ssvb	lardman: :)	15:21
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inz	Cptnodegard, why don't you go code som'm cool?	15:54
inz	-m+n	15:54
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Cptnodegard	inf: if i could code you mean :)	16:24
Cptnodegard	*inz	16:25
inz	Cptn, well, then you must learn the art first	16:29
inz	Cptn, all the more fun!	16:29
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Cptnodegard	all the bigger headaches :)	16:31
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inz	Cptn, then you have not used enough warm coke or cold pizza	16:32
Cptnodegard	lmao	16:32
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pyhimys	How do I enable input cues for vgba?	16:37
pyhimys	Oh, now I found the menu	16:37
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Cptnodegard	how do you control vgba?	16:40
Cptnodegard	joypad?	16:40
pyhimys	touchscreen	16:41
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pupnik	and dpad	16:44
Cptnodegard	sounds annoying :3	16:44
pupnik	What would you suggest?	16:44
Cptnodegard	telepathy	16:45
Cptnodegard	or joypad	16:45
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pupnik	RST38h: could you add right hand side keys (k, l, or similar) for buttons for N810 someday?	16:46
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Cptnodegard	hummmm	16:57
Cptnodegard	so	16:57
Cptnodegard	technically	16:57
Cptnodegard	if i get a snes controller	16:57
Cptnodegard	and use the old k750 i have around	16:57
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Cptnodegard	i can mod msyelf a snes controller with BT hid that can control the vgba emulator without anything else than a .hid file on the controller/phone	16:58
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pupnik	nice	17:02
Cptnodegard	i fitted an mp3 player into a nes controller once so shouldnt be too hard, eben if it adds some bulk or screen sticking up	17:02
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pupnik	yeah for the 770, a spare slide-on case could be easily modded with controls on either side	17:09
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pupnik	if, on the other hand, you have to lug around a seperate controller, you might as well just use a bt keyboard	17:11
Cptnodegard	i dont even have vgba installed though	17:12
Cptnodegard	dont you need half a billion different programs installed to make sound etc work?	17:12
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pupnik	Cptnodegard: no	17:15
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lardman	ssvb: ping	17:15
Cptnodegard	thought i read something on the forum...or was that the PS emulator	17:16
Cptnodegard	pupnik: so all you need to do is install the app and get a rom?	17:16
pupnik	i don't know what the dependencies are for vgba	17:16
pupnik	if you get an error running it, i can help you figure out what's missing	17:17
Jaffa	Are the deps declared in the .deb?	17:17
Jaffa	s/Are/Aren't/	17:17
infobot	Jaffa meant: Aren't the deps declared in the .deb?	17:17
ssvb	lardman: ack	17:18
pupnik	don't know offhand	17:19
lardman	ssvb: it's strange, I can just about see part of the video I'm sending to the framebuffer, all in blue as presumably as the blue component is the lowest 5 bits	17:19
Cptnodegard	maemo.org says the emulator runs extremely slow... so no point in getting it	17:20
lardman	ssvb: but if I try to move the video down, it vanishes almost as if there's a region at ~y=40 pixels which is blanked off across the screen	17:20
lardman	ssvb: I also don't see all of the video (when x=y=0), just what looks like the bottom portion	17:21
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lardman	http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/test-yv12-convert-and-output/ is the code; the YUV420 conversion stuff doesn't appear to work (no surprises there), but more worryingly I can't seem to display the input Y plane as RGB data	17:26
lardman	no 770 code in there yet	17:27
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pupnik	what is your goal for this lardman?	17:27
lardman	convert from YV12 to LCD controller's YUV420 format and output it	17:27
pupnik	ah ok	17:27
lardman	probably lots of school-boy errors in the code, do let me know	17:28
pupnik	what's the purpose of that? :)	17:28
pupnik	an mplayer optimization?	17:28
lardman	now that I think about it, the call to usage() should have a return/exit() after it	17:28
lardman	yes	17:28
pupnik	cool.	17:29
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lardman	if anyone wants to run it, add a FRAMEBUFFER section (you should see where) in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd, add the task name and path to /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf and reboot	17:30
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pupnik	does the dsp draw to screen, or just do yuv12-20?	17:31
lardman	draws to screen	17:32
lardman	but you could just convert if you wanted to; and if the code worked ;)	17:32
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Khertan_TheReal	Hi !	17:46
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Khertan_TheReal	Someone know a tool with a simple gui that can synchronize a local dir and a distant dir on an ftp ?	17:46
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zpol	hola	17:54
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qwerty111	Got a q, in deb files, the Installed-Size: thing in the control file - is it in B/KB/MB? Thanks.	17:56
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Khertan_TheReal	qwerty111 ?	18:02
Khertan_TheReal	B	18:02
Khertan_TheReal	:)	18:03
qwerty111	Thanks :)	18:03
qwerty111	My connection timed out :/	18:03
solmumaha	qwerty111: of course you can use it	18:03
Khertan_TheReal	nope i remember i ve try all until i get the good display in application manager when i ve make pypackager	18:03
qwerty111	solmumaha, Thanks! :)	18:03
solmumaha	but i have a web based package maker for games too, still needs one fix though	18:04
qwerty111	Khertan_TheReal, Must have taken a while >.<. Thanks for saving me time :)	18:04
Khertan_TheReal	someone know how i can set a background color for just a line in gtk tree view ?	18:04
qwerty111	solmumaha, nice :). Hope you can finish it soon :)	18:04
solmumaha	it installs data files to mmc without them ever touching rootfs	18:04
Khertan_TheReal	solmumaha > a web based package maker ... where too ?	18:05
Khertan_TheReal	s/too/to	18:05
solmumaha	it works ok if you install/uninstall, but shit hits the fan if you try to upgrade	18:05
qwerty111	solmumaha, that is brilliant. I remember when hacking emacs gtk interface, my 1st install failed because my emacs folder was on mmc.	18:05
solmumaha	i need to check what it tries to do when upgrading, but if you uninstall before installing again, everything should work fine	18:06
solmumaha	Khertan_TheReal: it's not meant for usual apps, but i could easily fix that	18:07
solmumaha	qwerty111: wanna test it?	18:08
qwerty111	solmumaha, yes please :)	18:08
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Khertan_TheReal	rah ... managing repeating events is really borring in an agenda !	18:11
lardman	cu all	18:12
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Khertan_TheReal	specially with pysql !	18:12
Khertan_TheReal	s/pysql/sqlite	18:12
Khertan_TheReal	hum ... i ll do this when google sync will be ok !	18:13
solmumaha	qwerty111: can you receive private messages?	18:13
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qwerty111	solmumaha, yes	18:13
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Cptnodegard	whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy doesnt anyone torrent the gadget show? :(	18:15
qwerty111	Not worth torrenting? :p	18:15
Cptnodegard	but it has gadgets 8#	18:15
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qwerty111	I think we get that show on 5 in the UK.	18:16
Cptnodegard	yup thats who makes itg	18:16
Cptnodegard	it is native to that channel	18:16
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qwerty111	Ah, don't you get it in Norway?	18:17
Cptnodegard	no	18:17
Cptnodegard	at least i dont htin kso...dont have the tv connected to an antenna	18:18
qwerty111	:(. The injustice of it all, I get the program - which I don't watch on a free channel.	18:18
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solmumaha	qwerty111: got my pm?	18:27
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qwerty12	arrgh, my fuckin internet keeps timing out in linux!	18:30
Jaffa	It's really been crap the few times I've seen bits of it	18:30
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eido	hey folks - can someone comment on this page? because the implication is these guys are selling a GSM-enabled Nokia N810, unlocked, as a cell phone. which makes absolutely no sense, does it? there's no GSM radio in an N810...	19:24
eido	http://www.ustronics.com/Nokia_N810.php	19:24
towo	utter nonsense.	19:24
glass	proably scammers	19:24
RST38h	n810 has no gsm hardware inside.	19:25
aquatix	wtf	19:25
aquatix	vibration? :)	19:25
eido	thank you :)	19:25
RST38h	whatever these folks claim is a lie	19:25
aquatix	sounds like a dream tablet though ;)	19:25
towo	aquatix: Turn up the volume and play something with bass.	19:25
towo	Voila, vibration.	19:25
aquatix	towo: :)	19:25
eido	(this came up from a conversation on another channel where i said something like "If the N810 had a GSM radio in it, no number of brick walls could be put between me and a purchase of one.")	19:25
_berto_	maybe it's a nokia 810 -> http://europe.nokia.com/A4142005	19:26
qwerty12	But it's too big for vibration! (sorry, I couldn't resist)	19:26
aquatix	eido: i bought one and still love it	19:26
eido	aquatix, granted, it's a great machine. i just want it to be a phone too :)	19:26
RST38h	it works very well with an external handset	19:26
aquatix	_berto_: wtf	19:26
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aquatix	ah, a car phone	19:26
eido	i'm trying to find the final migration off my Treo. right now the N85 is winning the battle.	19:27
RST38h	so well that you can basically treat it as a big screen extension of your handset	19:27
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Cptnodegard	php tutorials are giving me a headache -.-	19:43
Cptnodegard	doesn anyone know what to use in str_replace to replace everything before a specific string?	19:44
Cptnodegard	f.ex "lalalal hello kitty" and then make str_replace replace everything before "kitty"	19:45
Khertan_TheReal	eido > try an nokia 3210 they have same functionnality as treo line	19:45
Khertan_TheReal	:)	19:46
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Khertan_TheReal	bye	19:46
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Jaffa	Cptnodegard: it's just a perl regexp isn't it? (If not, switch to the regexp one). Then replace "^.*?(lalala hello kitty)" with "$1"	19:50
Cptnodegard	its regexp yes	19:51
Cptnodegard	i think	19:51
solmumaha	_berto_: you have finnish translation yet?	19:54
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qwerty12	Is there any good file comparers (like diff but with a better/easier interface) for Linux?	20:07
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Jaffa	apt-cache search diff? Eclipse has quite a nice one internally.	20:07
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qwerty12	Too much results :), I'll try Eclipse, thanks (or end up loading WinMerge with wine from my NTFS partition)	20:08
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jott	qwerty12: i like kompare and kdiff3	20:12
qwerty12	jott, thanks. I'll grab them.	20:12
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_berto_	solmumaha: no, i haven't	20:22
_berto_	:)	20:22
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jjg	hi	20:23
jjg	can maemo run on a gumstix platform?	20:23
johnx	you mean end up with the same desktop as the N800/N810 have?	20:23
jjg	not necessarily, but some of the apps	20:24
johnx	the hildon libs are open source, so any open source app should be just a recompile away (unless it depends on armv6 specific features)	20:24
jjg	i am using open embedded to build for a gumstix target and keep reading about scratchbox ... and seeing maemo as a distro for the tablets ... wanted to try scratchbox and was wondering if i could just build maemo for gumstix target	20:25
johnx	did you have a specific app in mind?	20:25
jjg	anything communications and media based	20:25
jjg	audio/video ... sip phone	20:25
johnx	hildon stuff is in openembedded and debian as well, but some of the stuff that ships with the tablet is actually closed source	20:26
johnx	for example, the media player is closed source (or most parts of it are at least)	20:26
johnx	but I believe rtcomm (the sip and IM parts) are open source, IIRC	20:26
JasonWoof	is there an app that I can scribble on the screen, and it will save without asking me, and when I run it next time load what was there when I left?	20:27
jjg	thanks for the info	20:27
johnx	jig, sure :)	20:27
johnx	JasonWoof, I don't remember if maemopadplus behaves that way or not	20:27
johnx	I think it does though	20:28
JasonWoof	nah, I just tried maemopadplus	20:28
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johnx	ah, it asks you to save, doesn't it?	20:29
JasonWoof	speaking of which, maemopadplus should save your "pressure sensativity" option	20:29
qwerty12	Bye, thanks for the brilliant help I got today.	20:32
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JasonWoof	ok, now to more important stuff... can I use a different keymap for my external keyboard?	20:33
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JasonWoof	I got a bluetooth keyboard. very cool that it works, but there's a few problems:	20:36
JasonWoof	1) I'd like a totally different layout (dvorak)	20:36
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JasonWoof	2) the sticky shift keys is terrible (tap shift, tap a, gets you a capital A)	20:37
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JasonWoof	3) sometimes pressing a key on the bluetooth keyboard gets about 10 of that letter on the screen	20:37
JasonWoof	(perhaps #3 is some combination of the key-repeat feature and bluetooth lag?)	20:38
ssvb	lardman: thanks, I'll have a look at it	20:38
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JasonWoof	is there some way to get osso-xterm to actually close the window when I exit out of the shell?	20:49
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jott	JasonWoof: you could use my svn builds ( http://sse2.net/xterm/ ) it's fixed in it.	21:20
Navi	woo	21:20
Navi	The svn builds are sexy	21:21
Navi	Still no alt :(	21:21
JasonWoof	jott: thanks	21:21
qwerty12_N800	I like the 13 build from fiferboy (tabs) :)	21:22
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JasonWoof	jott: ahh, works beautifully. also fixes the problem where new windows didn't get keyboard focus	21:39
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JasonWoof	OK, what's the deal with the keyboard mapping?	22:50
JasonWoof	some weird stuff is going on	22:50
JasonWoof	I've got a bluetooth keyboard.	22:50
JasonWoof	I installed xev, and I see that the fn key is actually sending keycodes	22:50
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JasonWoof	and it does on the bluetooth keyboard too	22:51
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JasonWoof	so I run xev, with the internal keyboard, and hit fn, I get nice output in xev, showing that it's keycode 216 and that this is registered to the symbol ISO_Level3_Shift	22:51
JasonWoof	xmodmap shows that this is mapped to mod5	22:51
JasonWoof	excellent	22:51
JasonWoof	BUT (and here's where it gets weird) if I run xev, press fn a few times (all on the internal keyboard so far) then press fn on my bluetooth keyboard, I get two events:	22:52
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JasonWoof	MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248	22:53
JasonWoof	then:	22:54
JasonWoof	MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 247	22:54
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JasonWoof	and then I see keypress event for the fn key on the bluetooth keyboard. it's the same keycode (216) but it's no longer mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift, (it says keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), and after closing xev mod5 is blank	22:55
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JasonWoof	so it seems that the keymappings are changing automatically when I hit a key on the keyboard. How do I make it change the keys I want changed (the letter keys) and not f-up the fn key?	22:56
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Cptnodegard	geekbrief.tv has a podcast that you can downlaod in a format specified fo rtthe n8x0	23:21
Cptnodegard	the chick they have tlaking is friggin annoying though	23:21
Cptnodegard	made an rss feed to the n800 file format directly	23:21
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Cptnodegard	on another note	23:26
Cptnodegard	is there any way of getting smaller fonts on the home applet rss reader?	23:27
Cptnodegard	i.e items are displayed samaller	23:27
qwerty12_N800	Navi? :)	23:27
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jenjen	lol	23:28
jenjen	this chan really excists? nice:p	23:28
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Cptnodegard	no its imaginary	23:29
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qwerty12_N800	we are fake	23:29
jenjen	so, where is Brett Borders	23:29
qwerty12_N800	well my chainz are	23:29
jenjen	http://www.copybrighter.com/blog/social-media-in-the-1990s	23:30
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jenjen	[mbm] lol	23:32
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lopz	hola	23:32
[mbm]	Pascal_1: is yes?/	23:33
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JasonWoof	yay! I got scratchbox and maemo-sdk working!	23:53
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JasonWoof	I built a little sdl app of mine, and it runs great, except the window doesn't show in the window list, so the only way to bring it back to the front is to minimize whatever I put in front of it	23:54
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JasonWoof	at least one of the pidgin windows had this problem too	23:54
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flo_lap	re	23:55
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JasonWoof	howdy	23:56
flo_lap	internet access... finally	23:56
flo_lap	~lart universities	23:56
* infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps universities		23:56
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