IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-05-02

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term-sigages man ;>00:32
plb_I'm beginning to see that00:32
plb_I let it sit for like half an hour and nothing00:32
NaviAnywhere from a minute to forever00:32
term-sigbuy external one...00:32
term-sigor htc00:32
KotCzarnyplb: check if you have old gpsd version00:32
lardmanKotCzarny: shouldn't matter00:33
lardmanvote on agps bug00:33
KotCzarnylardman: still -23 had some bugs00:33
lardmanyeah, but leap-year bug doesn't matter anymore00:33
KotCzarnyi think dpkg -l | grep gps00:33
KotCzarnyit's not only about leap-year i think00:33
qwerty12_N800if you have symbian phone with gps, grab extgps00:34
pupnikwasn't that bug discredited?00:34
lardmanin any case the fix part is more to do with gpsdriver, nothing to do with gpsd00:34
n800npenguinbait: can you run audacity on kde/n800?00:34
qwerty12_N800pupnik, yes00:34
qwerty12_N800penguinbait went time ago00:34
n800nsorry, scrolled up00:35
KotCzarnylardman: still, people that moved from -23 to -25 experienced quicker fixes00:35
plb_er how do you do a pipe | ?00:35
KotCzarnytry shift-\00:36
qwerty12_N800n800n, it may be possible to run  in maemo, it's not dependent on kde but no one compiled it00:36
lardmanKotCzarny: small sample size, I think it comes down to chance; as much was said on the ITT thread00:36
KotCzarnylardman: still, having old version isn't helping00:36
plb_which is shift key on the 810?00:37
lardmanyeah, no harm in upgrading I suppose, as long as the package name doesn't screw things up - which was the problem with that upgrade00:37
n800nneed more musicians w/n800s00:37
pupnikI see it this way: if i'm ever really lost biking or hiking, i'll be able to walk to an open space and get a gps fix in 1-5 minutes00:37
lardmanand you can survive without water for 3 days so that should be enough ;D00:38
KotCzarnypupnik: what if there is thunderstorm? :)00:38
qwerty12_N800pupnik, i'd place better bets on emergerncy services finding you out faster.00:38
qwerty12_N800remove out.00:39
lardmanto give it its due, I went to Oz from the UK and got a fix in only a few minutes00:39
lardmanI had a good view of the sky though, which is a limiting factor for most of us00:40
pupnikdoes anyone here understand why it takes a while?00:40
KotCzarnyi would bet on software00:40
pupnikmust be horribly complicated due to something or other00:40
lardmanthe ephemeris data are transmitted by the satellites, the GPS must scan to work out which satellites are in view before it knows what freqs to lock on to00:41
qwerty12_N800according to johnx, it uses really bad ti chipset meant to be used with agps00:41
lardmanif it has an idea, it can scan fewer freqs, so has a better chance of picking up the signal00:41
pupnikah, so a gps receiver does band-switching to test for sat availability00:41
lardmanyes, it scans all of the bands, until it finds something to lock on to (I think), then downloads the ephemeris (~20s) then knows what to lock on to00:42
lardmanwhat else to lock on to00:42
lardmananyway I'm sure wikipedia would do a better job of explaining :)00:43
plb_KotCzarny: osso-gpsd?00:45
KotCzarnywhat version?00:46
KotCzarnythen it's latest i think00:46
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plb_hm need some good games to play00:51
plb_for tablet00:51
plb_is this vgba any good?00:52
qwerty12_N800it's the only good gba emu we got so i'd say yeh00:53
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term-sigquake plb_ !00:55
term-sigthe best game in the world.00:55
plb_I'm surprised no enemy territory00:55
lcukthere is00:55
pupnikplb_: ur quan masters is one of the best00:55
lcukjust goto
pupnikwell... nevermind00:56
pupnikplb_: what do you want to play00:56
plb_I dunno I just my 810 so I'm looking for all kinds of apps and games to load up on it00:57
qwerty12_N800why not actually try looking in the games section, 10 pages isn't a lot, i've been through it 7 time00:58
plb_ya there is quite a bit of games ;]00:58
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pupniki probably know every game on the tablets00:59
pupnikinstall numpty physics first - nice to show off your tablet with that00:59
plb_I have numpty already ;]01:00
plb_it's a pain though cause I lost the stylus lol01:00
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n800nnumpty is awesome01:11
n800ni just installed it 1 h ago01:12
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NullM0demshould i back up my maps from the n810's internal card before i format it?01:26
KotCzarnyif you want to keep them01:26
NullM0demThis thing rocks, I had to force myself to sleep :-D01:27
KotCzarnyyeah, it's nice01:28
sp3000modest doesn't decode format=flowed :(01:29
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jldiazanyone uses mauku here?01:37
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lcuk( )01:42
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lcuk _01:42
lcukdamn i cant do slashes01:42
* KotCzarny hands lcuk a basket of slashes '/////'01:43
* lcuk makes em all left handed \\\\\01:43
lcukive still got block01:44
KotCzarnyget yourself a zeppelin01:44
sp3000and drop slashes from orbit01:45
sp3000...well, provided it's an orbital rocket zeppelin01:45
lcuki would need a parachute, but simply wow01:45
KotCzarnyimpractical in windy areas01:45
lcukyer, most people use hand gliders around here :)01:46
lcuk(my dad for one)01:47
lcukin one ear out the other.  canvass all over again..01:47
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KotCzarnyyou didn't used my corrected version?01:48
lcukof course, and by use i now know :) though ive slipped a few times but now theres enough of a codebase that its self rectifying :)01:49
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KotCzarnyit should have prevented you from using bad ones :)01:49
lcukit felt wrong when i picked up some vb code the other day with the wrong spelling01:50
lcukit did..01:50
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lcukim being heavily sidetracked at the moment thinking about text processing and i dont wanna be01:50
KotCzarnyi think it's just something you can unlearn by replacing01:51
KotCzarnyget a shower then?01:51
lcuki never knew it was wrong though01:51
KotCzarnywhite noise of water should fix it01:51
lcukits not fixed it for the last few nights01:51
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lcukin vb its easy to read and write multi format data in text files.  in c its trickier.  its just an unload though, its bringing back all my parsing and grammar thoughts that roll around01:53
KotCzarnyi like php in this area01:53
KotCzarnymakes text processing swift01:53
KotCzarnyfind/write a helper functions01:54
lcukwhat do you think has sidetracked me..01:54
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plb_hm how can you mimick a right click to save image as ?01:54
lcuki practically finished a little deep pattern recursive scanner01:55
KotCzarnyplb: hold it for a 1-2 sec01:55
plb_ah thanks01:55
lcukthe bitch is scanf would work if it would stop reading a %s when the next constant section of the pattern was encountered01:56
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lcukif you did a scanf with something like scanf(data," fn %20s('%10s',%i,%i)" , &fnname, &arg1,&arg2,&arg3)      i would expect fnname to only hold the data upto the ( but it doesnt, it holds the next 20 chars01:59
KotCzarnythat's why i like regexps02:00
KotCzarnylink against some regexp lib?02:00
lcukok :) ill see whats around, ta02:01
lcukregex.h :)02:01
KotCzarnythat's the name02:03
KotCzarnydo man pcre02:03
KotCzarnyor go to
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towoalthough scanf has the advantage of being almost exponentially more performant...02:04
KotCzarnyit will be a book reader02:04
KotCzarnynot db converter02:05
lcukscanf works for numbers and constants, but fails for string tokens02:05
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lcukactually, i think im gonna write the file as fixed width02:06
lcukthen i can just read it without faffing02:06
n800nanyone ever tried to change the taskbar width?02:06
KotCzarnyi have changed it's width to 8px once02:07
KotCzarnydoesn't looked nice02:07
n800ni can imagine02:07
towoMy fingers are too large for anything smaller. ;)02:08
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KotCzarnyand background for status bar was wrongly moved to the left too02:08
KotCzarnythat's why i use nuvoclear now02:08
towothar be no screenshots.02:09
n800ndoes that little clock for status show up right with nuvo?02:09
n800nhere it looks weird02:09
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n800ni had xmms for about 1 hour02:12
n800ni should try it again02:12
n800nhad quirks02:12
KotCzarnywhat quirks?02:12
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n800ngui wise02:13
n800ni don't remember02:13
KotCzarnytry my build then02:13
KotCzarnysomewhere on that site02:13
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KotCzarnyprobably n800/dist/02:14
n800ngot it02:14
n800nooooh k02:15
n800ntons of stuff in that xmms dir02:15
KotCzarnymostly deps02:16
KotCzarnyyou can ignore _dev packages02:16
jldiazmaiku anyone?02:17
n800nwhat's etch?02:17
KotCzarnydebian's version02:17
n800nhm missing libs02:18
jldiazis it possible to tell X-window to use a different display for input and output?02:19
jldiazfor example, the mouse input is read at one host, but the events are sent to a different host02:19
KotCzarnyjldiaz: x2x02:19
jldiazKotCzarny, thanks, I'll investigate that. Is it supported on maemo?02:20
KotCzarnyif one compiles it for it02:20
jldiazI'm thinking that this could be a solutio for the idea I posted today in the forum, about using the n810 as a tablet digitizer02:20
KotCzarnyi don't know if x server on tablet listens on tcp/udp though02:21
KotCzarnyfor sending it should work02:21
KotCzarnybut wouldn't it be easier to use vnc?02:21
KotCzarnyyou will get drawing display as a bonus02:21
jldiazperhaps, but more lag, due to the higher bandwidth02:21
KotCzarnylag? that depends on options used02:22
KotCzarnybut i agree02:22
jldiazif I could turn off the display...02:22
KotCzarnybandwidth is limiter02:22
lcuki think vnc is great, but it wont take over pressure information because motion is translated into a mouse02:22
jldiazand only sent the mouse...02:22
jldiazthat would work02:22
KotCzarnyanyway, try x2x02:23
lcuki like the idea of extending normal desktop to it sometimes - have software on the big screen be able to access the display and input02:23
jldiazanyway, when I move the mouse in the VNC client, and see how the mouse moves on the display's server... the movement is not smooth02:23
jldiazlcuk, this can be done without installing any extra software02:24
jldiazsimply connect from your tablet to your desktop pc (via ssh -X) and run any desktop application02:24
jldiazyou probably will find some problems related to fonts, but it should work02:25
lcuknot in windows it wouldnt..02:25
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jldiazI was able to run gedit this way02:25
jldiazgedit run in Ubuntu, but displayed in the n81002:25
KotCzarnyssh -X is just a shortcut for ssh -R 6000: i think02:25
jldiazit is02:25
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jldiazit is not02:26
jldiazit is more complex02:26
jldiazit is something like02:26
jldiazssh -L 6000:
jldiazplus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:19002:26
jldiazplus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:1002:26
jldiazall transparently02:26
KotCzarnymaybe some mitshm cookies are involved too02:27
jldiazor perhaps I put the 6000 and 6010 the other way around, but you get the idea02:27
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lcukhow quick is that? ie what would the chances of decoding and scaling a large video from desktop with plenty of power and then sending over the wire at correct resolution02:28
KotCzarnynice condition to have02:28
KotCzarnylcuk: it sends images uncompressed i think02:28
* lcuk scraps that idea02:29
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lcuki might have to see just how much bandwidth is available though02:29
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KotCzarnywifi on tablet is limited02:30
jldiazhmm.. another crazy idea... Can I run x2x in the desktop PC, and tell it to use the nokia X-server as input?02:30
jldiazthis way I don't require even to compile x2x for maemo02:30
KotCzarnydon't know02:30
KotCzarnyrefer to x2x documentation02:30
KotCzarnybecause i haven't used it02:31
jldiazI'll try this now :-)02:31
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jldiazI DID IT!!02:38
jldiazops, sorry for crying02:38
jldiazI have to tell this to someone02:39
KotCzarnysomeone special?02:39
jldiazin the nokia, simply: ssh -X myubuntu02:39
flo_lapgood night02:39
jldiazthen, over the ssh sesion, in myubuntu:02:39
jldiazecho $DISPLAY02:39
jldiazand then02:39
jldiazx2x -from :11 -to :002:39
jldiazet voila02:39
jldiaza blank window opened in the nokia02:40
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KotCzarnyhow about: ssh -X myubuntu DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 x2x -from :11 -to :002:40
jldiazwhen I move the stylus over that window, the mouse pointer moves in the ubuntu machine02:40
jldiazwhen I press keys in the n810 keyboard, the letters appear in the ubuntu machine02:40
jldiazit's like magic!02:40
KotCzarnyno, it's xfree02:41
jldiazSo I have a cheap (cheap? ehem) digitizer!02:41
KotCzarnyand ssh02:41
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jldiazPerhaps even the pressure information is sent02:41
jldiazwhy not, all is possible02:41
mibusthat's a pretty cool trick :)02:42
KotCzarnyi like remote computing too02:43
KotCzarnyi'm lazy02:43
jldiazand I do not loose the control of the mouse in the desktop02:44
jldiazI can use the keyboard and mouse normally02:44
jldiazand also the tablet02:44
KotCzarnyhaving fun with *nix already?02:44
jldiaznot new to unix...02:44
KotCzarnybut feel like?02:45
jldiazI'm using Unix from 1995, and only unix (windows removed) from 200002:45
jldiazbut every day I learn a new trick02:45
johnxyeah, I know the feeling. :)02:46
jldiazI'll try running the gimp, to see if pressure information is present02:47
KotCzarnyi had some problems with pressure information even on native tablet (thinkpad x41)02:47
KotCzarnymanaged to use it after some battling though :)02:47
KotCzarnybut i don't think it's sent, or read on tablet without some changes in source02:48
jldiazno... x2x do not send pressure information :(02:48
KotCzarnytablet == nokia02:48
jldiazanyway... far better than the mouse02:48
jldiazindeed, the tests I'm doing are a lot more convolved than I told02:49
jldiazbecause I'm at home, but the Ubuntu machine running x2x is at my work02:49
jldiazI'm using VNC at home with x11vnc at work02:50
jldiazthe nokia is at home, in my LAN, behind the IP of my desktop PC02:50
jldiazwhich uses IP masquerading...02:50
jldiazI'm feeling dizzy..02:50
johnx:D ok, that's a lot more awesome02:50
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NullM0demx2x would be cool on the n810, for mousing02:51
jldiazso, I use the stylus in the nokia to move the mouse in the PC at my work, and see the results at the home PC, via VNC02:51
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NullM0dempretty slick02:51
KotCzarnyadd a motorized cat and i'm sold02:52
NullM0demi there a way to just project one app over vnc from a windows desktop? sort of like x over ssh?02:52
KotCzarnywith camera etc02:52
KotCzarnynm: DISPLAY=something your_app02:52
NullM0demthat work linux to windows?02:53
jldiazNullM0dem, if you put the window at some fixed position, you can tell the vnc server to capture only that rectangle02:53
KotCzarnyif you have x server running on window02:53
NullM0demah cool thanks02:53
NullM0demim thinking for work02:53
jldiazwell, in fact I'm not sure about that02:53
jldiazdepends on the vnc server02:53
jldiazand I don't remenber if tightvnc or ultravnc allow for that02:54
NullM0demonly have 2 apps i need windows for, i run 2000 in a vm ontop of linux.02:54
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NullM0demone is a phone control apps i would like to touch screen on the n810 :)02:54
jldiazExcuse me, I have to post at itt about the x2x tricj02:54
jldiazthanks for the tip, KotCzarny02:54
NullM0demjldiaz: enjoy your pocket sized desktop remote :)02:55
* KotCzarny waits for the treat02:56
GrackleIs there anything I can do about the typing delay on my N800? I experience it when ssh'ing in,when using my bluetooth keyboard, or even when using my usb keyboard. :/02:56
KotCzarnygrackle: lower wifi power saving02:56
jldiazuh oh, an inexpected side effect..02:56
jldiazI'm unable to close the x2x session from the nokia!02:56
johnxKotCzarny, that effects usb keyboards used locally?02:56
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KotCzarnyjohnx: that will help with ssh02:57
jldiazall the screen is captured, including the close button, application list menu, etc...02:57
jldiazI had to killall x2x from the Ubuntu02:57
KotCzarnyjildiaz: run killall x2x02:57
KotCzarnyyou can control ubuntu, yes?02:57
GrackleIt's not any worse when using ssh02:57
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GrackleIt seems worse in some applications. xterm is particularly bad, which sucks, because that is where most of my typing is done.02:58
pupnik_sucks... bad02:59
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pupnik_bad criticism sucks02:59
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GrackleOops, I wiped the close button off the screen. :P02:59
lcddi'm suffering from a loose battery. ever so gentle bumps cause the tablet to turn off03:00
lcddwonder if this is common?03:01
GrackleI dropped mine on the floor and the battery came out. That's sort of similar.03:01
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johnxasciimstr had a problem that sounded similar but he never traced it to the battery03:01
johnxthat would make the most sense though...03:01
Gracklelcdd: are the battery springs springing properly?03:01
GrackleIt might be worth cleaning them and the battery contact error03:02
lcddtrying cleaning right now03:02
GrackleIs it actually the battery? Like, when you poke at the battery, it stops working?03:02
lcukjust get a piece of paper folded over a could of times to ensure the battery is snugly seated03:02
lcddGrackle: i guess it might be something else, but i doubt it03:03
lcukmy battery just falls out if the back isnt on, and the back is flimsy so i can understand it being the battery03:03
GrackleMakes sense to me.03:03
pupnik_i like snugly seated03:03
pupnik_hmm.. song name03:04
GrackleSo does anyone else experience the typing delay I mentioned, or is it just that nobody else is really bothered by it?03:07
lcukjust a minute03:07
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johnxGrackle, I run into it in a web browser where it is really annoying03:08
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johnxin most other cases it isn't quite enough to bother me03:08
lcuk2right im typing now from my 810 using bt keyboard and it seems as instant as it always has03:08
johnxbut I've been used to putting up with ssh connections over modems for a long time O_o03:08
lcuk2i think though on the screen its not refreshing instantly03:09
lcuk2but thats just a graphics limitation at the resolution/colordepth03:09
johnxlcuk2, but does it seem like a screen refresh issue or a typing lag issue?03:09
lcuk2its not typing lag because i can press return and have instant results and be ready to type the next line03:10
Grackleit's definitely a typing issue on my machine03:10
pupnik_i get instant response on 770.  heard one other complaint about slow bluetooth on n81003:10
lcuk2its not a case of any kind of lag03:10
johnxreplying to a post on iTT on the tablet easily gets me 30 seconds plus of typing lag03:10
mibuslcuk2: you could try VNCing into another machine (or ssh+screen) so you can see the output elsewhere03:10
lcuk2im reading back my text from the big screen as well as from the tablet screen03:10
lcuki can be in two places at once03:10
lcuk2see i am up there as well03:10
lcuk2no lag03:11
lcuk2no slowdown all instant?03:11
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lcuk2do you have something running taking cpu03:11
johnxprobably just microb :/03:11
lcuk2sounds reasonable03:11
lcuk2especially with flash or something on screen03:12
KotCzarnylow memory situation?03:12
KotCzarnybtw. anyone else experienced speedups when disabling maemo-launcher's gtk booster?03:12
lcuk2im taking this little keyboard on holiday and i have gcc on tablet now03:12
lcuk2im only missing a couple of libraries and i can dev directly on it03:12
lcuk2no but then again i dont personally run too much on mine03:13
GrackleHmm KotCzarny?03:14
lcuk2ok i think i need to sleep03:14
lcuk2gnite ppl03:14
GrackleWhat is this gtk booster you speak of?03:14
KotCzarnynite lcuk03:14
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KotCzarnygrackle: it's supposed to speedup starting gtk apps03:15
jldiaz(posting to itt)03:15
KotCzarnybut eats 20-30mb of ram03:15
KotCzarnyand efficiently slowing everything down03:15
jldiazKotCzarny, while posting, I simplified further the command:03:15
KotCzarnybut that's my opinion03:15
jldiazssh -X myUnixDesktopIP x2x -to :003:15
jldiazthe -from can be ommited, and in that case it takes the value of DISPLAY03:15
jldiazthat makes the command much more general03:15
jldiazbecause the -X option not always uses the :11 as display03:16
jldiazit depends on how much -X connectios you have stablished03:16
KotCzarnyyup, you should leave ssh to set up display variable for you03:16
jldiazand x2x to use it03:16
jldiazit is a nice one-liner :)03:17
* KotCzarny likes oneliners03:17
jldiazhowever, despite my enthusiasm, it is actually not very useful03:18
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jldiazyou cannot "move only" the mouse using the stylus, you aways "drag the mouse"03:18
jldiazbecause when you tap, you left-click03:19
jldiazand if you do not tap, you dont have any cue about where the pointer is03:19
KotCzarnyvnc then03:19
KotCzarnybut it's general fun of interpeting tablet cursor03:20
KotCzarnymost emulators suck hard on it :/03:20
jldiazI guess that with enough training, you'll develop a sense of the position of the mouse, depending on the position of your hand over the tablet03:21
KotCzarnyor a proper wallpaper?03:21
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jldiazthat's an idea, but when you run the remote x2x, all the local screen is blanked03:22
jldiaz(or "whited" to be precise)03:22
jldiazwe need a new application, kind of VNC but with very infrequent screen updates03:23
jldiazor can be that configured in standard vnc?03:23
KotCzarnybecause i don't know03:23
jldiazwell, it is 2:26AM here, I'll better go to bed03:26
jldiazsee you!03:26
term-sig2:26 AM it's good time for coffe ;)03:27
johnx'night jldiaz03:29
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n800ni installed xmms but it's not showing up in apps03:35
KotCzarnymaybe in 'others'03:36
pupnik_nobody has done freenx yet03:38
pupnik_i found a guy in australia who was developing freenx thin clients for ARM back in.. 200203:38
n800nnot in any menus03:38
n800nbut it's in app manager03:38
KotCzarnywell, if you installed mine 1.2.11 it should have added itself to apps03:39
n800ni went to the repository03:40
n800nbut now i have the libs at least03:40
n800nso i could get your03:40
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|thundertablet-encode and mediasrv rock !03:41
KotCzarnyassuming they have fixed that dialogs issue you don't have to :)03:41
KotCzarnybut if file open dialog shows under the window then go on :)03:42
n800nlibmikmod missing03:42
KotCzarnylook in libs03:43
n800ndev one03:44
KotCzarnyignore _dev03:44
KotCzarnyi mean you need regular one not _dev package03:45
n800ncrashed. can you link to your url agsin?03:45
n800nshould have bookmarked it03:46
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n800nno go03:51
n800nupdated xmms w/yours03:51
KotCzarnylook in the last category, last position03:51
n800ni guess i should uninstall first03:51
KotCzarnyin menu03:51
n800nnot there03:52
KotCzarnybut you can start it with xmms ?03:52
n800nshould be able to lets try03:53
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n800nhey sorry dealing with a bootcamp installation04:19
n800ni'll oick this up a lil later04:19
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dick-richardsonanyone using twitter through gtalk on their tablet?04:47
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skiburWeird question about linux.  Linus said he created Linux while studying at a University....  Doesn't that mean that the Univeristy has the rights to Linux?05:24
johnxnope, he created it outside of class05:24
KotCzarnyand against his teacher hints05:24
KotCzarnyor paradigms05:25
mibusI would assume that you'd own the copyright even if it was for class, unless you used the teacher's specific work as a direct base of your own work05:26
derfIt depends on what agreements you made with the university.05:27
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johnxmibus, it can be complicated in many cases, especially if the university is paying you to do the research05:27
mibusderf: That would be true, I suppose.05:27
Navi,en <- best 15 dollar USB keyboard that I've found so far05:27
mibusjohnx: I hadn't considered that (I never went beyond a "normal" degree myself)05:27
derfYeah, usually if you're a student you haven't agreed to much.05:27
derfBut once you become an employee, they ask you to sign all kinds of things.05:27
johnxNavi, that thing is ginormous though O_o05:28
NaviIt's not that bad05:28
skiburI see05:28
NaviTe size of a normal keyboard05:28
skiburhe was studying Operating Systems at that time05:28
NaviCan't find anything small for 1505:29
NaviWell, there's this I guess:
johnxnice, but still bigish05:31
NaviChop off the numpad with a hacksaw :D05:32
johnxI'll see if I can dig up the listing for mine, but I don't know how you'd get it shipped05:32
NaviThe Saitek Ultra Slim isn't too big.05:33
Navijust the media buttons up top waste space :(05:34
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dick-richardsonNavi: I'm using that keyboard right now05:36
dick-richardsonLOVE it05:36
NaviThe Ultra Slim?05:36
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dick-richardsonNo, the logitech05:37
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NaviIs it wireless?05:39
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dick-richardsonno, just the $15 usb keyboard05:39
NaviOh right05:39
dick-richardsonHad wireless but went back to wired.05:40
GrackleI have the wireless version of that.05:40
GrackleI hate how the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdwn island is laid out, but other than that it's decent.05:40
NaviI'm fine with it05:40
GrackleOh, the spacebar rattles when I play my music loud, but I wouldn't really call that a fault.05:41
dick-richardsonThe key feel is really good05:41
NaviI'm still waiting for johnx to pull up teh listing05:41
johnxyeah, so am I05:41
johnxmy keyboard has *no brand* sticker on it05:42
johnxah, it's prolly in the logs :D05:42
* johnx searches05:42
dick-richardsonany twitter users?05:45
mibusI have an account - is that the same thing? ;)05:45
dick-richardsonkeep from using it for as long as you can, worse than crack05:46
mibusI only know a couple of others using it, which seems to limit it a fair bit05:46
dick-richardsonI try to follow the tech pundits...there's often something good there.05:47
mibusany examples?05:47
mibussuggestions, rather?05:47
dick-richardsonleolaporte and therealdvorak are interesting05:47
mibusthanks, I'll look into them05:47
penguinbaithey johnx?05:48
johnxhey penguinbait?05:48
dick-richardsonhang on...i've heard this joke05:48
dick-richardsonmust be a take on the waltons05:48
penguinbaithave you ever attempted to start a second X instance on tablet?05:49
penguinbaitlike Xomap -- :205:49
johnxno, but i wouldn't guess there would be any problem05:49
penguinbaitit seems to bleed through current screen05:50
penguinbaitI am thinking I need getty05:50
penguinbaitcan you run getty on these things?05:50 should figure out how get a new VT05:50
johnxthat's a kernel level thing I thought05:50
johnxare you sure that it's not just failing to update the screen until you refresh it?05:51
penguinbaitit sure would be nice to have kde and maemo runnning at the same tme05:51
johnxI guess, but the swapping would be pretty miserable05:51
penguinbaitjust toggle back an fourth05:51
Navijohnx, O_o05:52
penguinbaitnot sure, it might be ok05:52
johnxNavi, the whole thing is about as wide as the key area on a normal keyboard05:53
johnx(ie, from left shift to enter)05:53
johnxthe d-pad is a little mushy but usable05:53
NaviOh, I figure as much05:56
NaviSo are the keys condensed?05:56
johnxoh yeah05:56
* Navi can't read japanese :(05:56
johnxyou mean to understand the page? or to use the keyboard?05:57
NaviThe page05:57
johnxthe price is 1400JPY, which is almost exactly $14 these days05:58
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NaviI knew that much05:59
johnx:D really though, the page doesn't say much about it06:00
Navibut that's all06:00
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johnxit has 88 keys, and it's called the "su-ri-ma-mi-ni-ki-bo-do"06:00
johnxthat's about it06:01
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johnxI know there are a couple mini-keyboards that should be available in the US06:02
NaviWhere do you live?06:03
johnxI picked the keyboard in Akihabara for $15 from a little shop that sells almost nothing but keyboards :)06:04
johnxwell, keyboards, asus eeepcs, and ds mod chips :D06:04
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NaviIn a slightly related note, there's this Japanese person that moved here I know who works in a Taiwanese food place06:10
johnxcool. I guess that balances things out. (I'm American)06:12
NaviThe shelves there are packed full of mangas in mandarin06:14
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NaviI can't read those either, so bleh06:15
johnxheh...manga, something for everyone06:16
johnxand I mean *everyone*06:16
johnxyou like playing tag? there's a manga about it! how about checkers? sure!06:16
KotCzarnymostly for pedophiles06:16
johnxyay, KotCzarny presents his informed opinion!06:16
NaviI like reading manga using comix on the N80006:17
Navithe default keybinds were horrible and the hold for right click menu sucked06:17
KotCzarnyjohnx, but hey, all of them look like children06:17
KotCzarnyeven 'mature' girls06:18
johnxexcept when they don't06:18
KotCzarnyname one?06:18
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KotCzarnyand i don't say there are no good mangas06:19
NullM0demhey guys, im tyring to back up the maps from my n810 so i can format the internal memory card, i cant seem to copy without error's. anyone know of a way around this. my card is corrupt from the factory, i would wipe the maps if i knew i could grab them online...06:19
KotCzarnybut most of them are just run on the mill legs06:19
NullM0demhentai or manga?06:19
KotCzarnynm: cp or tar fails?06:20
NullM0demthey all do look young... then again so do most woman from japan06:20
NullM0demim using winblows, get cant read from sector error. i could try under linux but i feel its a corrupt read problem06:20
KotCzarnyjust skip offending file06:21
NullM0demmight as well wipe the maps06:21
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johnxuse dd or the equivalent06:21
NullM0demmakes sense, need to switch to real OS first06:22
NullM0demany BS=  tips?   or should i just dd if=/dev/mmcfoo of=bar.img06:22
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KotCzarnyi think there was a version of dd that skips over unreadable sectors06:23
johnxI'm willing to bet the corruption is at the fs level though06:23
NullM0demmy map apps crashes too06:23
NullM0demi feel ive lost them06:23
NullM0demanyplace to redownload?06:24
johnxyeah, there's a site, but you can download on the tablet too IIRC06:24
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NullM0demformatting :)06:24
NullM0demi still have to upgrade to 200806:24
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n800ndoesn't nokia have a map downloader?06:27
n800nfor pc06:27
mibusNullM0dem: IIRC, conv=noerror stops dd from bailing entirely on read errors06:28
mibusNullM0dem: I used to dd floppies for recovery back in the day06:28
n800nlotsof iircs06:29
mibusNullM0dem: copy the whole disk as an image, then try mounting that06:29
NullM0demmibus thanks, very usefull06:29
mibusNullM0dem: no probs06:30
n800nmounting is good06:31
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NullM0demn800n: that depends on what your mounting :-P06:35
KotCzarny'you are'06:35
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n800nyou'd think there are lots of mounting jokes in the nix world06:36
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Proteousat least buy me dinner first06:41
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penguinbaitcan you believe they left out head??06:43
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penguinbaitsomebody laughed :)06:54
NullM0demdoes the latest 2008 firmware contain that internal memory read only bug?06:54
NullM0demid change it to grep -i burnette06:55
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n800napple's windows drivers suck.07:00
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JasonWoofcan I use a different keymap for my bluetooth keyboard?07:40
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JasonWoofthere's two rather obvious and annoying problems with osso-xterm: 1) when you close the terminal (whith ctrl-d) it goes white, but does not close the window08:01
JasonWoof2) when you open a new window from the menu->Windows->New Window thing it opens, but doesn't get keyboard focus08:02
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rm_youtime to figure out how to disassemble my n800 >_>08:18
rm_yousup johnx08:18
rm_youhey Navi :P08:18
rm_yougah, i've been gone for a while >_>08:18
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rm_youno star screwdriver >_>08:28
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rm_youi guess it's a hex08:38
KotCzarnyhex star?08:39
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NaviHey qwerty1208:39
qwerty12Hi Navi08:40
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rm_youdamn... took it entirely apart, checked every connection three times, and it's still rebooting after less than 10 seconds every startup09:14
rm_youbut it does the same thing in debian, so i'm pretty sure it isn't my flash, either09:14
rm_youbut i'm still going to check09:14
qwerty12:(. dmesg saying anything?09:14
rm_yougot a terminal and dmesg up RIGHT before it died this time09:15
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rm_yousaid something about a jffs2 CRC failing09:15
threethirtyN800hello all09:15
rm_youi guess my filesystem could be corrupted, but that's probably an effect, not the cause09:16
rm_youerr, side-effect09:16
qwerty12Hmm, my N800 does that sometimes and restarts on boot, it fixes it and reboots again.09:16
rm_youcould be bad ram?09:16
rm_youbad flash?09:16
qwerty12But yes, I always get them if I shutdown by taking out the battery for example so it could be an effect.09:16
KotCzarnyi bet on bad chip09:17
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KotCzarnyor bad connection somewhere09:17
rm_youi rechecked every connection a lot09:17
KotCzarnyfe. unsoldered chip/lane09:17
rm_youthat kind of connection :/09:17
KotCzarnyit can be unseen for the eye09:17
rm_youi could take it to the engineering department09:18
rm_youtheres an electronics guy there that is super helpful09:18
KotCzarnyexperienced elecrtonics know some tricks09:18
rm_younot sure how he would check stuff tho :/09:18
KotCzarnybring gifts?09:18
threethirtyN800i have a really quick question, can someone point me to some info on fiximg my repos.  i cant get them to refesh09:20
rm_youyeah it happens EXACTLY at the same time every time...09:21
KotCzarnyrm_you: but you can flash it?09:21
rm_youi watch dmesg.... and it is basically blank... blank... blank... jffs2 CRC message -> crash09:21
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rm_youKotCzarny: yes...09:22
rm_youbut this is the 6th or 7th flash with the same problem >_>09:22
KotCzarnytried cloning to sd ?09:22
rm_youwhenever i flash it, it gets better for about a day09:22
rm_youand then degrades back to every 10 seconds09:22
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qwerty12How do you shutdown your N8*0 out of question?09:22
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rm_youKotCzarny: I could try running off SD09:23
rm_youi will try that right now09:23
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KotCzarnyrm_you: that would exclude bad flash09:23
rm_youwell no... i am doing that with debian tho already09:23
rm_youand same problem09:23
rm_youi think... let me verify09:23
qwerty12solmumaha, Is it ok if I use your deb file and script for my ROTT half port please? I don't mind if you refuse, it would just make things easier for me.09:27
qwerty12^script to run the duke3d09:28
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rm_youdamn, yep... it reboots from debian too09:45
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JaffaMorning, all10:55
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pupnik_o/ Jaffa10:58
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rm_youhey Jaffa11:03
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rm_youany idea if mediaserv works for PS3 streaming? :P11:03
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Ulysses222Hi Jaffa, I have an issue with mediaserv and video center integration.11:04
Jaffarm_you: dunno, buy me a PS3 and I'll make it work ;-)11:10
rm_yousame could be said the other way around :P11:13
rm_youi don't actually have a PS3 yet, i'm just deciding how long it'd take me to make mediaserv work for it if i got one11:14
rm_youi was kinda hoping it might just "work" already :P11:14
Cptnodegardmorning earthlings11:17
Cptnodegardlast night i dreamt i had a tamagotchi app for the n800, that i had to feed by taking pics of food and sending to it with bt o_011:18
Cptnodegardtime to put away the tablet and go explore real life?11:18
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NaviThat'd be fun11:22
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aquatixmorning all11:48
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johnxhey rm_you12:10
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Cptnodegardum halp12:36
CptnodegardWarning: Wrong parameter count for str_replace() in /home/moedegaard/public_html/ctrlaltdel.php on line 912:36
Cptnodegardwtf does that mean+12:36
KotCzarnymaybe parameter count is wrong12:36
Cptnodegardand what is that?12:36
KotCzarnycount of parameters12:36 dont know php do you? :/12:37
KotCzarnyi do12:37
Cptnodegardhalp? 8#12:37
janiyou are propably using #define'd string as a parameter and preprocessor doesnt see the % parameters ?12:37
KotCzarnyit's just a mixture of c and perl12:37
Cptnodegard        $url = str_replace("\<tr>\<td valign=\"top\">", $val);12:37
Cptnodegardthats the line in question12:37
Cptnodegardoh wait12:37
KotCzarnywe are glad to be of any help ;)12:38
Cptnodegardin my defense i dont knowany just modifying shit :D12:44
Cptnodegardthats the 6th webcomic added to canola photocast ^^12:46
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BlafaselElaborate.. ;)12:47
Cptnodegardyou know, like, ctrl alt del etc12:47
BlafaselI need a way to feed on xkcd, userfriendly, vgcats, giantitp/order of the stick and wulffmorgenthaler12:47
Cptnodegardim using PHP to extract the latest comic and make a XML readable by canola12:48
BlafaselSo - where? How?12:48
Cptnodegardthis only works with the latest comics but sure can be adapted by someone who actually know php12:48
tank-manwhy not use plucker to grab the comics12:48
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BlafaselCptnodegard: Hmm.. Interesting. I wonder what the legal situation is there, though12:49
Cptnodegardi ant the comics on canola, and only really need the newest ones12:49
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Cptnodegarddunno, Blafasel. im not physically copying the comics, im just removing everything but the link to the actual thing12:50
Cptnodegardan automatic way of "copy image location"12:50
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BlafaselYeah. It's just a kind of "deep linking" imo. Well, nice anyway and a good idea.12:51
Cptnodegardworst case scenario i remove the ITT topic and use it only for personal use :)12:51
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Cptnodegardi have other php thingies as well... a script that lets me add postal tracking numbers (norway only) and get a feed that shows me the latest status of the package on the n800 rss reader12:52
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Cptnodegardthe userfriendly ones is gif which canola wont do... i have aconversion script but havent made those feeds public because thats physically tampering with the strips12:55
Blafaselcanola doesn't do gif? Is there still a patent issue with gif files? Or is this an oversight?12:57
JaffaPatent's expired, I think.12:57
Cptnodegardif its not the feed says no photos in feed if they are gif12:58
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Cptnodegardwhats the wildcard for php? if i want the replace function to remove a dynamic line in between others?13:00
Cptnodegardother static ones*13:00
BlafaselI don't understand the question, sorry13:01
Cptnodegardno biggie13:01
BlafaselBut you might want to look into preg_replace / ereg_replace for "advanced" replacements13:02
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Cptnodegardagain...dont know shit about php :) i jsut got a working script from a freidna dn adapting it for each comic13:03
Cptnodegardi got all the ones i want so ill leave it to others if they want to continue the idea13:03
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floriangood morning13:41
wom-_afternoon :)13:41
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lcukevening :P13:49
lcuki heard from the travel agency, ill be arriving at dinner time on wednesday and leaving on saturday teatime13:50
Cptnodegardtime travel?13:51
Cptnodegardoh nvm13:52
lardmanI booked yesterday, getting there on Tuesday evening, leaving Sat evening13:52
lcukcould be fun.13:52
lcuki still dont know which hotel i am in, for all i know i could be expected to sleep on the streets13:54
lardmanlol, i can't remember the name of the one I booked13:54
lcuk"you're a devloper, code up your own accommodation"13:54
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lcukare you beavering away on dsp this afternoon then, or taking it easy13:55
lardmanlcuk: day job!13:55
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lcukahhh i never knew your dayjob was talkin in maemo :P13:56
lcuk(sounds like mine as well)13:56
lardmanthough with that said, I might try to debug some DSP code if I get bored (strange thing I know)13:56
lcuknot really, i find it relaxing to code most of the time13:57
lcuki see it as playing a game, get all the right pieces into place and you level up13:57
lcuksometimes, theres a big evil end of level nasty which you have to work harder to get rid of ;013:57
lardmanI like the challenge of learning something new13:58
lardmanand when you finish it's a good feeling too :)13:58
lcukthe problem is, like painting a good picture you are never finished.  you have to draw the line somewhere13:59
lcukmy boss says we don't wanna be van goghs, we want reward for our hard work whilst we are still alive to enjoy it14:00
lcukhave you actually got the dsp outputting real data now btw?14:00
lardmanno, still odd patterns14:01
lardmanthough I've fed it a known pattern and tried outputting it as RGB444, so I can see if I can make some sense of it14:01
lcukbut thats par for the course with the framebuffer.  are you starting with odd patterns though14:01
lardmanyeah, was starting with a movie decoded to yv12 by the mplayer -vo yv4mpeg option14:02
lcuki went through similar trials when i was first messing with omapfb, it wasnt until i moved to xv that it started to make proper sense - i just think my mind understands planar better14:02
* lcuk was brought up with amiga bitplanes14:03
lardman~lart my network for continually resetting my sftp connection14:03
* infobot puts my network through a wood chipper for continually resetting my sftp connection14:03
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lcukare you taking a dev environment to germany with you?14:05
lcukie laptop14:05
lardmanno, just N81014:05
lcuk:O so how will you manage to make changes to code whilst sat in the bar?14:05
lardmanI don't own a laptop14:06
lcukhaving said that, ive got gcc and most of the dev tools on my 81014:06
lcuki didnt until very recently - i was about 2mm from buying an eee, but i ended up getting hold of a spare machine14:07
lcukdoes the dsp run in armel?14:08
lcukor is it x86 only14:08
lcukdsp compiler ^14:09
lardmanx86 only14:09
lcukthats a shame - linux or win binary?14:10
lardmanLinux binary14:10
lcukits not all bad then :P14:10
lardmanno, works fine14:11
lcukill have to have a look at this dsp stuff soon enough  if i can hand off even some of the blitting it should make life easier14:12
lardmanonly if you need to do some conversion to the data before blitting though, otherwise it's just overhad14:12
lcukso giving it a list of pointers and offsets and saying "blit all these" wouldnt be worth it?14:13
lardmanall of the pointers would have to point to the shared memory region14:14
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lardmanso that the DSP can access the data14:14
lcuki wouldnt expect it to be quick enough to do individual blits for me - the startup/shutdown overheads would be too great14:14
lardmanbut if the overhead of blitting each element is more significant than the overhrad of the ioctl call to tell the DSP to do it, then it might be worth doing14:15
lcukok, so at present i create a standard block of memory for font glyph data (though it could be sprites or something)  if i made that a shm region it may work - hell the dsp could do the scaling for me with those14:16
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lcuk(damn customers calling up disturbing me) cool about that :) shall get to specifics another time.  i must dash properly, cya later lardman14:25
lardmannp, cu14:26
lardmanssvb: ping14:26
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lardmanJaffa: See if you can find out about Jazelle :)14:42
lardmanAsk them about the undocumented CPU coprocessor registers ;)14:43
JaffaI'll try and nick some confidential stuff of the ARM stand ;)14:43
lardmanactually see if they'll sue us if we get something running14:44
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lardmanhmm, I've just read in that YUV data (4:2:0) and plotted in in MATLAB, and curiously I can display the Y plane by reading in 320x240 uchars; but then I need to read in 6 uchars, then the U and V planes 320/2 * 240/214:47
lardmanif that extra 6 uchars padding?14:47
derfUnlikely... 320x240 is divisible by 1024.14:49
derfWhat are the _first_ 6 chars of data?14:49
lardmanah, but the 1/2 size U and V planes aren't, so perhaps they are padded - I've not looked at their contents (as they are almost monochromatic)14:49
derfUsually you pad the _end_ of data to align the _start_.14:49
lardmanthe first 5 or so frames (Y+U+V) are all 014:49
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ssvbhi lardman14:51
lardmanhi ssvb14:51
lardmanI'm battling with yuv4mpeg output :)14:51
derfI have no idea where you got this data, but stuff like the yuv4mpeg2 format prefixes each frame with the string "FRAME\n".14:51
derfAh hah.14:52
lardmanright, that may explain it then :)14:52
derfThat's why I asked what the first 6 bytes were.14:52
lardmanthought I was going mad14:52
lardmanah I see14:52
lardmanoh, there's actually quite a lot of stuff in the first 0x30 bytes14:53
lardmanI thought it would produce a raw stream14:53
derfYes... that's the stream header.14:53
derfYou know the mjpegtools project documents all of this.14:54
lardmanI didn't, thanks. I was just looking for raw frame data to send to the DSP14:54
lardmanwith that said, although it displays on my PC, I cen't get the framebuffer to show anything useful14:56
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lardmanssvb: the latter elements of the update struct, out_x, out_y, out_width and out_height perform scaling on the output data presumably?14:56
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lardmanno matter what I do with these, my output stays localised in the top lefthand corner of the screen (and is certainly smaller than the 320x240 region that I write to the FB shared memory14:59
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ssvblardman: yes, I also noticed that it is buggy15:02
lardmanI should probably do this development on the 770 and save these extra bits for later15:02
ssvbso you need x=out_x and y=out_y15:03
lardmanthat's what I did to begin with15:03
lardmanand even if I change them and the width it doesn't seem to do much15:03
ssvbout_width and out_height should be larder or same than original width nad height15:03
lardmanyep, I set them to 800 & 48015:04
ssvbdownscaling is not supported15:04
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lardmanIs the LCD controller's RGB444 just standard? and is it packed or are 4 bytes missed out?15:05
lardmanthat said, I should be able to just plot the Y plane in RGB565 rather than fiddling with RGB44415:06
ssvbi think RGB444 is not supported15:07
lardmanhmm, it's in the list15:07
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ssvblardman: I guess omapfb.h supports a larger set of devices than nokia internet tablets15:08
ssvbat least there are references to other hardware in the kernel sources15:08
lardmanah, good point, I'd not really thought of that15:09
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ssvbbetter use Epson documentation for the reference about color formats15:09
lardmanok, well 565 is in both so I'll try that and see what it outputs15:10
lardmanAm heading home for lunch, will have a play and see if I can get RGB out, then if the YUV still doesn't work I'll ask you to take a look (and laugh) at it15:11
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ssvblardman: :)15:21
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* red-zack slaps all people over the world15:51
red-zack*with ice-cream15:52
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inzCptnodegard, why don't you go code som'm cool?15:54
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Cptnodegardinf: if i could code you mean :)16:24
inzCptn, well, then you must learn the art first16:29
inzCptn, all the more fun!16:29
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Cptnodegardall the bigger headaches :)16:31
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inzCptn, then you have not used enough warm coke or cold pizza16:32
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pyhimysHow do I enable input cues for vgba?16:37
pyhimysOh, now I found the menu16:37
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Cptnodegardhow do you control vgba?16:40
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pupnikand dpad16:44
Cptnodegardsounds annoying :316:44
pupnikWhat would you suggest?16:44
Cptnodegardor joypad16:45
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pupnikRST38h: could you add right hand side keys (k, l, or similar) for buttons for N810 someday?16:46
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Cptnodegardif i get a snes controller16:57
Cptnodegardand use the old k750 i have around16:57
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Cptnodegardi can mod msyelf a snes controller with BT hid that can control the vgba emulator without anything else than a .hid file on the controller/phone16:58
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Cptnodegardi fitted an mp3 player into a nes controller once so shouldnt be too hard, eben if it adds some bulk or screen sticking up17:02
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pupnikyeah for the 770, a spare slide-on case could be easily modded with controls on either side17:09
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pupnikif, on the other hand, you have to lug around a seperate controller, you might as well just use a bt keyboard17:11
Cptnodegardi dont even have vgba installed though17:12
Cptnodegarddont you need half a billion different programs installed to make sound etc work?17:12
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pupnikCptnodegard: no17:15
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lardmanssvb: ping17:15
Cptnodegardthought i read something on the forum...or was that the PS emulator17:16
Cptnodegardpupnik: so all you need to do is install the app and get a rom?17:16
pupniki don't know what the dependencies are for vgba17:16
pupnikif you get an error running it, i can help you figure out what's missing17:17
JaffaAre the deps declared in the .deb?17:17
infobotJaffa meant: Aren't the deps declared in the .deb?17:17
ssvblardman: ack17:18
pupnikdon't know offhand17:19
lardmanssvb: it's strange, I can just about see part of the video I'm sending to the framebuffer, all in blue as presumably as the blue component is the lowest 5 bits17:19 says the emulator runs extremely slow... so no point in getting it17:20
lardmanssvb: but if I try to move the video down, it vanishes almost as if there's a region at ~y=40 pixels which is blanked off across the screen17:20
lardmanssvb: I also don't see all of the video (when x=y=0), just what looks like the bottom portion17:21
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lardman is the code; the YUV420 conversion stuff doesn't appear to work (no surprises there), but more worryingly I can't seem to display the input Y plane as RGB data17:26
lardmanno 770 code in there yet17:27
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pupnikwhat is your goal for this lardman?17:27
lardmanconvert from YV12 to LCD controller's YUV420 format and output it17:27
pupnikah ok17:27
lardmanprobably lots of school-boy errors in the code, do let me know17:28
pupnikwhat's the purpose of that? :)17:28
pupnikan mplayer optimization?17:28
lardmannow that I think about it, the call to usage() should have a return/exit() after it17:28
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lardmanif anyone wants to run it, add a FRAMEBUFFER section (you should see where) in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd, add the task name and path to /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf and reboot17:30
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pupnikdoes the dsp draw to screen, or just do yuv12-20?17:31
lardmandraws to screen17:32
lardmanbut you could just convert if you wanted to; and if the code worked ;)17:32
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Khertan_TheRealHi !17:46
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Khertan_TheRealSomeone know a tool with a simple gui that can synchronize a local dir and a distant dir on an ftp ?17:46
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qwerty111Got a q, in deb files, the Installed-Size: thing in the control file - is it in B/KB/MB? Thanks.17:56
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Khertan_TheRealqwerty111 ?18:02
qwerty111Thanks :)18:03
qwerty111My connection timed out :/18:03
solmumahaqwerty111: of course you can use it18:03
Khertan_TheRealnope i remember i ve try all until i get the good display in application manager when i ve make pypackager18:03
qwerty111solmumaha, Thanks! :)18:03
solmumahabut i have a web based package maker for games too, still needs one fix though18:04
qwerty111Khertan_TheReal, Must have taken a while >.<. Thanks for saving me time :)18:04
Khertan_TheRealsomeone know how i can set a background color for just a line in gtk tree view ?18:04
qwerty111solmumaha, nice :). Hope you can finish it soon :)18:04
solmumahait installs data files to mmc without them ever touching rootfs18:04
Khertan_TheRealsolmumaha > a web based package maker ... where too ?18:05
Khertan_TheReal s/too/to18:05
solmumahait works ok if you install/uninstall, but shit hits the fan if you try to upgrade18:05
qwerty111solmumaha, that is brilliant. I remember when hacking emacs gtk interface, my 1st install failed because my emacs folder was on mmc.18:05
solmumahai need to check what it tries to do when upgrading, but if you uninstall before installing again, everything should work fine18:06
solmumahaKhertan_TheReal: it's not meant for usual apps, but i could easily fix that18:07
solmumahaqwerty111: wanna test it?18:08
qwerty111solmumaha, yes please :)18:08
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Khertan_TheRealrah ... managing repeating events is really borring in an agenda !18:11
lardmancu all18:12
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Khertan_TheRealspecially with pysql !18:12
Khertan_TheRealhum ... i ll do this when google sync will be ok !18:13
solmumahaqwerty111: can you receive private messages?18:13
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qwerty111solmumaha, yes18:13
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Cptnodegardwhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy doesnt anyone torrent the gadget show? :(18:15
qwerty111Not worth torrenting? :p18:15
Cptnodegardbut it has gadgets 8#18:15
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qwerty111I think we get that show on 5 in the UK.18:16
Cptnodegardyup thats who makes itg18:16
Cptnodegardit is native to that channel18:16
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qwerty111Ah, don't you get it in Norway?18:17
Cptnodegardat least i dont htin kso...dont have the tv connected to an antenna18:18
qwerty111:(. The injustice of it all, I get the program - which I don't watch on a free channel.18:18
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solmumahaqwerty111: got my pm?18:27
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qwerty12arrgh, my fuckin internet keeps timing out in linux!18:30
JaffaIt's really been crap the few times I've seen bits of it18:30
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eidohey folks - can someone comment on this page?  because the implication is these guys are selling a GSM-enabled Nokia N810, unlocked, as a cell phone.  which makes absolutely no sense, does it?  there's no GSM radio in an N810...19:24
towoutter nonsense.19:24
glassproably scammers19:24
RST38hn810 has no gsm hardware inside.19:25
aquatixvibration? :)19:25
eidothank you :)19:25
RST38hwhatever these folks claim is a lie19:25
aquatixsounds like a dream tablet though ;)19:25
towoaquatix: Turn up the volume and play something with bass.19:25
towoVoila, vibration.19:25
aquatixtowo: :)19:25
eido(this came up from a conversation on another channel where i said something like "If the N810 had a GSM radio in it, no number of brick walls could be put between me and a purchase of one.")19:25
_berto_maybe it's a nokia 810 ->
qwerty12But it's too big for vibration! (sorry, I couldn't resist)19:26
aquatixeido: i bought one and still love it19:26
eidoaquatix, granted, it's a great machine.  i just want it to be a phone too :)19:26
RST38hit works very well with an external handset19:26
aquatix_berto_: wtf19:26
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aquatixah, a car phone19:26
eidoi'm trying to find the final migration off my Treo.  right now the N85 is winning the battle.19:27
RST38hso well that you can basically treat it as a big screen extension of your handset19:27
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Cptnodegardphp tutorials are giving me a headache -.-19:43
Cptnodegarddoesn anyone know what to use in str_replace to replace everything before a specific string?19:44
Cptnodegardf.ex "lalalal hello kitty" and then make str_replace replace everything before "kitty"19:45
Khertan_TheRealeido > try an nokia 3210 they have same functionnality as treo line19:45
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JaffaCptnodegard: it's just a perl regexp isn't it? (If not, switch to the regexp one). Then replace "^.*?(lalala hello kitty)" with "$1"19:50
Cptnodegardits regexp yes19:51
Cptnodegardi think19:51
solmumaha_berto_: you have finnish translation yet?19:54
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qwerty12Is there any good file comparers (like diff but with a better/easier interface) for Linux?20:07
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Jaffaapt-cache search diff? Eclipse has quite a nice one internally.20:07
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qwerty12Too much results :), I'll try Eclipse, thanks (or end up loading WinMerge with wine from my NTFS partition)20:08
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jottqwerty12: i like kompare and kdiff320:12
qwerty12jott, thanks. I'll grab them.20:12
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_berto_solmumaha: no, i haven't20:22
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jjgcan maemo run on a gumstix platform?20:23
johnxyou mean end up with the same desktop as the N800/N810 have?20:23
jjgnot necessarily, but some of the apps20:24
johnxthe hildon libs are open source, so any open source app should be just a recompile away (unless it depends on armv6 specific features)20:24
jjgi am using open embedded to build for a gumstix target and keep reading about scratchbox ... and seeing maemo as a distro for the tablets ... wanted to try scratchbox and was wondering if i could just build maemo for gumstix target20:25
johnxdid you have a specific app in mind?20:25
jjganything communications and media based20:25
jjgaudio/video ... sip phone20:25
johnxhildon stuff is in openembedded and debian as well, but some of the stuff that ships with the tablet is actually closed source20:26
johnxfor example, the media player is closed source (or most parts of it are at least)20:26
johnxbut I believe rtcomm (the sip and IM parts) are open source, IIRC20:26
JasonWoofis there an app that I can scribble on the screen, and it will save without asking me, and when I run it next time load what was there when I left?20:27
jjgthanks for the info20:27
johnxjig, sure :)20:27
johnxJasonWoof, I don't remember if maemopadplus behaves that way or not20:27
johnxI think it does though20:28
JasonWoofnah, I just tried maemopadplus20:28
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johnxah, it asks you to save, doesn't it?20:29
JasonWoofspeaking of which, maemopadplus should save your "pressure sensativity" option20:29
qwerty12Bye, thanks for the brilliant help I got today.20:32
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JasonWoofok, now to more important stuff... can I use a different keymap for my external keyboard?20:33
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JasonWoofI got a bluetooth keyboard. very cool that it works, but there's a few problems:20:36
JasonWoof1) I'd like a totally different layout (dvorak)20:36
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JasonWoof2) the sticky shift keys is terrible (tap shift, tap a, gets you a capital A)20:37
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JasonWoof3) sometimes pressing a key on the bluetooth keyboard gets about 10 of that letter on the screen20:37
JasonWoof(perhaps #3 is some combination of the key-repeat feature and bluetooth lag?)20:38
ssvblardman: thanks, I'll have a look at it20:38
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JasonWoofis there some way to get osso-xterm to actually close the window when I exit out of the shell?20:49
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jottJasonWoof: you could use my svn builds ( ) it's fixed in it.21:20
NaviThe svn builds are sexy21:21
NaviStill no alt :(21:21
JasonWoofjott: thanks21:21
qwerty12_N800I like the 13 build from fiferboy (tabs) :)21:22
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JasonWoofjott: ahh, works beautifully. also fixes the problem where new windows didn't get keyboard focus21:39
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JasonWoofOK, what's the deal with the keyboard mapping?22:50
JasonWoofsome weird stuff is going on22:50
JasonWoofI've got a bluetooth keyboard.22:50
JasonWoofI installed xev, and I see that the fn key is actually sending keycodes22:50
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JasonWoofand it does on the bluetooth keyboard too22:51
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JasonWoofso I run xev, with the internal keyboard, and hit fn, I get nice output in xev, showing that it's keycode 216 and that this is registered to the symbol ISO_Level3_Shift22:51
JasonWoofxmodmap shows that this is mapped to mod522:51
JasonWoofBUT (and here's where it gets weird) if I run xev, press fn a few times (all on the internal keyboard so far) then press fn on my bluetooth keyboard, I get two events:22:52
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JasonWoofMappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 24822:53
JasonWoofMappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 24722:54
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JasonWoofand then I see keypress event for the fn key on the bluetooth keyboard. it's the same keycode (216) but it's no longer mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift, (it says keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), and after closing xev mod5 is blank22:55
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JasonWoofso it seems that the keymappings are changing automatically when I hit a key on the keyboard. How do I make it change the keys I want changed (the letter keys) and not f-up the fn key?22:56
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*** yiwen_ has quit IRC23:18 has a podcast that you can downlaod in a format specified fo rtthe n8x023:21
Cptnodegardthe chick they have tlaking is friggin annoying though23:21
Cptnodegardmade an rss feed to the n800 file format directly23:21
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Cptnodegardon another note23:26
Cptnodegardis there any way of getting smaller fonts on the home applet rss reader?23:27
Cptnodegardi.e items are displayed samaller23:27
qwerty12_N800Navi? :)23:27
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jenjenthis chan really excists? nice:p23:28
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Cptnodegardno its imaginary23:29
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qwerty12_N800we are fake23:29
jenjenso, where is Brett Borders23:29
qwerty12_N800well my chainz are23:29
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jenjen[mbm] lol23:32
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[mbm]Pascal_1: is yes?/23:33
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JasonWoofyay! I got scratchbox and maemo-sdk working!23:53
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JasonWoofI built a little sdl app of mine, and it runs great, except the window doesn't show in the window list, so the only way to bring it back to the front is to minimize whatever I put in front of it23:54
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JasonWoofat least one of the pidgin windows had this problem too23:54
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flo_lapinternet access... finally23:56
flo_lap~lart universities23:56
* infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps universities23:56
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