IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-05-01

* Cptnodegard got his DVD database on his N800 :D00:00
KotCzarnyuse ctrl-m ?00:00
KotCzarnypress shift-space ?00:00
RST38hno, no, that is not my problem00:01
RST38hThe problem is that I can't use it as GBA START key because it will cause accidental keypresses on N80000:02
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RST38hqwerty: Will you mind if the d-pad center button worked as START in VGBA?00:03
qwerty12_N800I'd like it to be the A button, because that gets used more imo00:04
pupnikd-pad center does sometimes get hit accidentally00:04
RST38hI am having a problem here00:04
RST38hLooks like bt keyboards (at least Apple one) generate GDK_Return when ENTER is pressed00:05
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RST38hUnless I map GDK_Return to the START key, you can't press GBA START on the bt keyboard00:05
RST38hBut if I DO map GDK_Return to START, it may accidentally get pressed on N800s. So what do I do?00:05
pupnikyou have many keys available on the keyboard00:06
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pupnikright now i have 'start' = "-" and 'select' = 'm'00:06
RST38hpupnik: I follow my own 10-year-old convention that says ENTER=START00:06
qwerty12_N800Is it possible to check if a bluetooth keyboard is connected or allow a toggle option?00:06
RST38hnot easily00:07
pupnikhehe yes that's a good convention00:07
KotCzarnyqwerty12: yes i think00:07
* RST38h will just map Return to START for now and wait for complaints :)00:07
qwerty12_N800But I agree, start seems a better idea than a when I think ok of it00:07
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pupnikpeople should play with bt keyboards anyway00:08
pupnikheh /duck00:08
RST38hbt keyboard lags a lot00:08
KotCzarnyi would point at bt power saving00:08
KotCzarnyit works nicely with my phpne00:08
RST38his there a way to turn it off?00:08
qwerty12_N800nah, on my ppc, morphgear was better with built in d-pad00:08
KotCzarnyrst38h: i don't know, yet00:09
RST38hwhich reminds me: I am looking for somebody to make new emulator ports for the winmobile00:09
* qwerty12_N800 goes to look. can bt power saving setting be set by maemo?00:09
KotCzarnynot in gui00:10
KotCzarnyat least i couln't be able to find it00:10
qwerty12_N800ok, thanks.00:10
KotCzarnymaybe some gconf00:10
RST38hthe keyboard probably can't be paired with more than one device, right?00:10
pupnikRST38h: did you see that Xabier disassembled the Albion RPG from x86 and rewrote it to run on arm (gp2x)?00:12
AStormfun stuff00:12
RST38hpupnik: Urgh00:12
RST38hSome people are really desperate =)00:12
qwerty12_N800"inqtpl     [level]      Get/Set inquiry transmit power level" - anything relevant to power saving?00:12
AStormreading that much of x86 asm must've left him mad00:12
AStormas hatter00:12
KotCzarnyqwerty: it's not power level00:13
KotCzarnybut keep looking00:13
pupniksorry wrong link00:13
KotCzarnyi think it's more like timeout00:13
RST38hIt really should be automated00:13
KotCzarnyor sleep time00:13
RST38hShould be able to handle all but self-modifying code automatically00:13
AStormRST38h: not really00:14
qwerty12_N800there is page timeout but not relevant afaik.00:14
AStormRST38h: then use qemu00:14
RST38hNo, I mean static recompilation00:14
AStormrewiting asm *efficiently* is hard00:14
RST38hYou don't have to do it VERY efficiently00:14
AStormRST38h: then port virtualbox to asm00:15
AStormor UAE00:15
AStormboth use dynamic recompilation00:15
RST38hsame as qemu00:15
RST38hbut if you just have an dos app which is not using any special tricks, you should be able to recompile statically and get a plain arm executable00:16
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pupnikone chinese guy did that RST38h - forgot the name00:16
pupnikit was a very simple game00:17
RST38hI have seen this done with MSX executables by some Moldovan fellow00:17
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RST38hAlthough he later claimed the conversion was semi-automatic00:17
AStormRST38h: can't just store JITted code? :P00:17
AStorm(after excercising all code paths)00:17
RST38hI guess he had to deal with self-modification00:17
AStormJIT will catch self-modification00:18
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RST38hbut you won't be able to store all code paths this way ;)00:19
RST38hAnyways, going to read a little bit and go sleep00:19
RST38hAnd you all enjoy a picture from traditional Russian fertility celebrations that happen every spring:
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qwerty12_N800RST38h, lol00:21
pupnikwb lardman00:21
lardmanhey pupnik00:21
pupnikcheers RST38h00:21
AStormRST38h: orgies? :P00:22
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lardmanKotCzarny: spelled with ph- I think00:24
KotCzarnyah, yes00:24
KotCzarnyi'm dizzy00:24
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* qwerty12_N800 hates dsmetool00:27
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lardmanqwerty12_N800: what are you doing to annoy it so much?00:28
qwerty12_N800I killed of btcond to test something. I didn't realise dsmetool tool starts00:29
qwerty12_N800it with it's usual reboot if killed00:29
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lardmanthe blue LED comes on to signal that you've got about 1s of useful interaction time left :)00:30
KotCzarnythere should be a smoke generator included00:30
qwerty12_N800hehe, not with powerlaunch then... :p :)00:30
qwerty12_N800I'm sorely temped to edit all the boot scripts to remove the dsmetool running programs.00:31
lardmanoh right. I keep killing dsp_dld, and then try to fix it/get it running again until I see the blue glow out of the corner of my eye...00:31
lardmanqwerty12_N800: flasher flag?00:32
qwerty12_N800there is one?00:32
lardmandisables the reboot00:32
qwerty12_N800I had that exact thought atm00:32
qwerty12_N800watchdog flag?00:32
qwerty12_N800ah, thanks!00:32
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ZieglerAnyone point me with some info on getting a usb keyboard to work on an n810?  I have a female:female usb adapter, and have USB-control installed.  It does not seem to do much for me so far... soo... looking for more information.00:34
lardmantake a look in dmesg output and see if anything is happening00:36
lardmanif not, perhaps you adaptor is not the right one00:36
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Zieglerok one second00:36
lardmanuse pastebin if you want to paste the output00:36
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ZieglerI have to have a specific adapter even using usb-control ?00:36
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lardmanI was more worried as to whether the wiring in you adaptors was right00:37
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lardmanhmm, I see reference to file_storage_gadget00:52
lardmanShould keyboards work out of the box?00:52
Zieglerfile storage gadget?00:52
ZieglerI see that...00:52
Zieglerbut all I plugged in was a keyboard00:53
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lardmanyeah, I'm just wondering if it's trying to claim the device as that module is loaded00:53
Ziegleryeah thats odd00:53
lardmanwhether you need to rmmod it, then insmod the hid modules00:53
lardmanI'm sure there was a thread on ITT about using usb keyboards; anyone?00:54
Zieglerlardman I have seen some reference of usb keyboard working out of the box... but light on details00:54
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Zieglerbahh... gents sorry to question and dash, but priority calls.  I will follow up when  I get back in a bit.00:56
Zieglerthank you for the time00:56
lardmannp, not that we helped much00:57
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lardmanwhen planar data are written to a framebuffer, how are they arranged in memory?01:04
KotCzarnyin a plane?01:05
KotCzarnyjust kidding01:05
lardmanI'm not sure how to draw this01:05
KotCzarnyrepeat some values?01:05
lardmanoops missed off a row of YYYY01:06
lardmanyou have a Y value for each pixel and the U and V are subsampled, in this case anway01:06
KotCzarnymaybe it's a plane of Ys then a plane of UVs ?01:06
lardmanah yes, so a plane of Ys, then is it the complete subsampled U plane, or is it UV, UV, UV until we finish both planes?01:07
lardmanor rather UUUUUUVVVVVV depending on how large the image is01:07
KotCzarnyi would bet on UV UV UV, but i may be wrong01:07
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lcuklardman :) xxvb told me that the framebuffer however takes packed planes01:08
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lcukthe pixels are interleaved01:08
lcukxv has a video mode which is planar access and thats what i use01:08
lardmanyep, but I need to know how to read the planar data so I can convert it01:08
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lcuka whole array of pixels w*h    to do a pset for the grey data you do [y*w+x]01:09
kpelhi all01:09
lardmanlcuk: yep, but if you wanted to update a partial region of a framebuffer using planar data, how would it be arranged in the rows & columns?01:10
* lardman is feeling confused, too late in the evening01:11
lcukthe formula i have just given should allow you to calculate the char offset from the start of the plane01:11
lardmanyes, but if I then want to place it into the centre of the framebuffer, i.e. with padding around the edges...01:12
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lardman like that diagram01:12
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lcukthen you must work line by line,   a single point in the centre of a fullscreen window has offset [ 240*800+400 ]01:12
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lcukthat diagram explains the interleaved format of the lcd01:13
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lcukthat is not a bitplane01:13
flo_lapgood night01:13
lcuknite flo01:13
lardmanI know, but I'm wondering about planar formats01:13
lcukof course, planar formats are simpler :)01:13
lardmanah, yes they are, of course01:13
lardmansilly me01:14
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lcukdo you want some xv code so you can "see" the planes, or are you wanting to output directly into interleaved format01:14
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lcukand centring should be done via the lcd itself01:15
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lardmanI'm guessing at how mplayer will pass frames of YV12 data, that's why I was wondering, but instead of doing that I'll just use a buffer which is the size of the data I pass01:16
lardmanand sort out the placement as I write it to the framebuffer01:16
lcukin this xv format i use, it contains 3 planes for the YCrCb format and automatically scales and centres the memory mapped planes01:16
lcukwith the positioning code, i believe your blitter needs to output line spams to put the results back into a fixed location.01:17
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lcuki get round it using my blit by specifying a single interline jump (i think its the stride)01:18
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penguinbaitanybody used the Debian install and setup networking?01:19
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johnxpenguinbait, me. :)01:20
johnxjust standard debian net setup01:20
penguinbaitI got KDE fired up01:20
lcukthis is how i blit between two grey surfaces.  there is a pre-initialization function which sets the offsets and jumps but it writes strips for each line required at the locations required01:20
penguinbaitjust for fun01:20
johnxdoes it run ok?01:20
penguinbaitand an interface I can deal with01:20
penguinbaitno sound01:21
lardmanlcuk: ok, I'm not quite that far along yet01:21
penguinbaitcan I request you change to user.users 29999.29999?01:21
johnxyeah, I probably will01:21
penguinbaitI didnt install anyhting for networking01:21
penguinbaitdid ifconfig up01:21
penguinbaitiwconfig wlan0 essid qwerty01:22
penguinbaitmy wide open AP01:22
johnx*mumble*mumble* stupid nokia weird user UID...01:22
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penguinbaitgot and IP, and my resolv.conf is correct01:22
penguinbaitbut nothing resolves?01:22
penguinbaitis there some trick to DNS?01:23
johnxthere shouldn't be01:23
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johnxyou can ping IPs?01:23
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lcuklardman, can you write the output to any arbitary location (including mmaped regions?)01:23
lardmanright, I've fed a specially constructed YV12 frame to the DSP and recovered the framebuffer after it's done the conversion, time to see what went where01:23
lardmanlcuk: yes01:23
penguinbaitI think the USB network is screwing me01:24
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johnxprobably a default gw issue01:24
penguinbaitwhich one01:25
penguinbaitI have 201:25
penguinbaitdont know what the problem could be????????01:25
johnx2 default gw's is better than one, right?!01:25
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penguinbaitperhaps for cisco01:26
penguinbaityeah DNS01:27
penguinbaitnow I can install stuff01:27
johnxwait, so you used your kde setup on it?01:27
penguinbaitmy kde01:28
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penguinbaitI had to get out of hildon as fast as possible, It was killing me01:28
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penguinbaitall I had to do to make it run is "chown -R user.user /home/user/.kde"01:29
penguinbaitmy install has it going in at 29999.2999901:30
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penguinbaitwhich makes it unwritable01:30
johnxdid you try epiphany-webkit?01:30
johnx(though I imagine konqueror is just as fast)01:30
penguinbaitI will have to do some time testing on it01:31
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penguinbaitI didn't get the network working until I got KDE up, so I coulnt use epiph01:32
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penguinbaittime to load kpackage and see what I can find01:33
penguinbaitdo all the hardware keys work?01:34
KotCzarnyyes, excluding 'fn'01:34
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penguinbaitI think I should have enabled swap space before starting kpackage on Debian on n800.  It runs fine in maemo, but it only has a few packages.  I think I just ran out of memory :(01:36
penguinbaitand dead01:38
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lardmannight chaps01:49
KotCzarnynight night01:49
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KotCzarnyi should eat a breakfast01:49
woodwizzleAnyone here using VNC?01:50
penguinbaitnot at the moment01:51
woodwizzleI'm trying to set it up so I can do remote desktop. I've run the server on the host system which is Titan:1 and I tried to connect from vncviewer using Titan:1 as the server, but it never connects01:51
woodwizzlei've also tried using the ip address01:51
woodwizzleI know I should be doing ssh tunneling, but I want to see if I can VNC on the local network first and then move on from there01:52
penguinbaithost is nokia device?01:52
woodwizzleNo its the client01:52
woodwizzleI want to be able to log into my home desktop from the nokia01:52
penguinbaitn800 or n81001:52
penguinbaitthere is not a trick to it, can you test your host from another PC?01:53
penguinbaitsee if the host is actually functioning?01:53
woodwizzleI can't at the moment. Don't have another PC here01:54
woodwizzlebut I'm physically at the host01:54
penguinbaitwhats it running win xp?01:55
woodwizzleUbuntu 8.0401:55
KotCzarnyyou have to run vnc server01:55
KotCzarnyon pc01:55
woodwizzleI did, I ran tightvncserver :101:55
KotCzarnythen vncviever host::1 should work01:56
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woodwizzlesays it can't connect01:57
KotCzarnynmap -p 5901 host01:57
penguinbaitthats where I was headed01:57
woodwizzlenmap from the host or client?01:58
KotCzarnyfrom any other machine than host01:58
KotCzarnyon host you can simply do netstat -an |grep 590101:58
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KotCzarnyin other words check if it's running/is accessible from the network01:59
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woodwizzlenetstat says tcp 0 0 0,0,0,0:5901* LISTEN02:01
woodwizzlethose were supposed to be periods02:01
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penguinbaitiptables -L02:03
penguinbaitis there some sort of firewall?02:03
woodwizzleiptables shows nothing02:05
penguinbaitkpackage ate 128mb swap and climbing ooohh02:05
KotCzarnyall accept ?02:05
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woodwizzleall 302:05
KotCzarnytry vncviewer host_ip::102:06
penguinbaitstick it on the internet I'll see if I can connect :)02:06
woodwizzlecould not connect02:09
KotCzarnytry with single ':' then02:10
woodwizzlebig gray window with an Xterm02:11
KotCzarnythat's much for standards02:11
KotCzarnyok, i was wrong with the first line :)02:13
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Cptnodegardwhere in the internal file system is the canola folder?02:15
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woodwizzleI dunno what I was doing wrong before :(02:15
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woodwizzleoh well, now to set up my xstartup file and then onto ssh tunneling02:16
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NullM0demI am about to unbox my n810 in an hour or so. Should i just plug it in to charge and forget about it. or can i use it during its initial charge, without stressing the battery?02:36
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penguinbaitI used mine right out the box02:38
penguinbaituntil I needed to chargs it02:38
penguinbaithey, still playing02:39
penguinbaitis there some sources I need to add, I cant install anything02:39
johnxaaah...yeah, it's on the old unofficial debian armel archive02:40
penguinbaitshould I head back to the wiki?02:40
johnxopen /etc/apt/sources.list and remove "-ports" from both lines and apt-get update02:40
johnxnope, not on the wiki02:40
johnxit changed while I was taking a break from Debian02:40
penguinbaitI wonder if kpackage will work now.02:42
penguinbaitit killed device twice, second time had 600MB swaap02:42
penguinbaitstill died02:42
johnx"I don't support the use of KDE." :)02:43
penguinbaitI do :)02:44
johnxgood, if I release this with KDE I'll just send the users with problems to you :D02:44
penguinbaitI spent 20 minutes trying to install ssh02:44
penguinbaitits already installed02:44
johnxyeah... it's barely even linux without ssh, IMNSHO02:45
KotCzarnyyup, no ssh no fun02:45
johnxmy initial install process on a new linux device is something like: apt-get install screen rsync ssh02:45
KotCzarnyi add mc02:46
NullM0dempenguinbait: you were one of the first to port KDE right?02:46
johnxif cp/mv/ls was good enough for K&H, then it's good enough for me02:46
penguinbaitI think I am the only to port KDE to Nokia devices?02:46
NullM0demI cringe at compiling it from source for slackware02:47
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penguinbaitBetween RPM and DEB's, I'll take sources anyday :)02:48
NullM0demyour windowmaker vid on youtube prompted me to buy a n81002:48
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penguinbaitits pretty old, that was the first alternate window manager on Nokia02:49
penguinbaitI really never thought KDE would work :)02:50
sbzi have synergy beetween my laptop, my pc and my n800 and it's work quite good02:50
NullM0demkonq seems like it would be very usefull. Fish:// ftp:// etc02:50
penguinbaitfish is awesome :)02:51
NullM0demim at work and my n810 is in a box at home, i cannot focus....02:51
NullM0demi feel like a kid02:52
Cptnodegardtell them ur sick and go home02:52
penguinbaitevery time :)02:52
penguinbaityour sick, dogs puking, whatever you can come up with02:52
NullM0demjust one hour left02:53
Cptnodegardpackage deliveries when youre away is definite proof that god is dead and satan has a bad sense of humour :D02:53
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KotCzarnynot true02:53
KotCzarnydevil would leave a postman's note02:53
NullM0demneweggs fault they shipped 2 days aftere i placed my order02:53
KotCzarny'sorry, you weren't home'02:53
KotCzarny'i left it in the bushes'02:54
NullM0demUPS did that too me once, drove right by., i was the last stop he decided to go home.02:54
johnxPS, no, no, not the ones near your house. the *other* ones. Have fun looking!02:54
NullM0demthe company made him punch in and bring me my package02:55
KotCzarny'pps, get the shovel'02:55
NullM0demthat would be evil02:55
KotCzarny'ppps, and pepper spray for the dog'02:56
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lopzwow amsn running in the N800 :O02:57
sbzit's really funny :)02:57
NullM0demIs thier a list somewhere for n800 apps that need to be ported to the n810?02:58
KotCzarnymost just compile out of the box02:58
NullM0demI plan on doing alot of porting as my job is helpdesk and my brain rots02:58
penguinbaitjohnx, still no packages?02:58
NullM0demthats good to know02:59
KotCzarnybut if you can find easy way to 'hildonize an app' that would help many02:59
johnxpenguinbait, I don't know. You tell me. :P02:59
penguinbaitI am still getting 404 on update02:59
johnxah, take out the line with "unreleased"03:00
penguinbaitis yours working?03:00
NullM0demIv'e read the developers tutorial... i have no problems diving into the sources03:00
johnxyou should have just deb unstable main03:00
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penguinbaitstill 40403:01
penguinbaityes I am connected to the internet :)03:02
johnxhmm, fun03:02
johnxmaybe try a country code debian mirror: or similar03:03
penguinbaitlooking much better03:04
penguinbaitopening kpackage again, seeing if its gonna core dump again03:07
johnxah, is this still from your KDE install?03:08
penguinbait83MB swap and climbing03:08
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johnxmaybe it's worth me doing a clean KDE install from Debian as a sanity check03:09
penguinbaitI am just playing03:09
johnxstill, I want to see KDE on my tablet. :)03:10
johnxespecially for konqueror03:10
penguinbait133mb swap and climbing, becoming unresponsive03:10
Robot101elb: btw, nice blog post03:10
KotCzarnyfire the torpedoes!03:10
penguinbaitKonq is working great03:10
penguinbaittakes about a minute to press up arrow, and enter to see free in xterm03:11
penguinbaitits dying03:11
KotCzarnyoom-killer should finish it03:11
NullM0demwow thats some latency there buddy03:13
NullM0demthere must be a way to optimize it03:13
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penguinbaitclock is still working03:16
penguinbaitI think that may be it though :)03:16
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NullM0dempenguinbait: you trimmed kde down to 200megs?03:27
penguinbaitthe bzip is about 31003:28
penguinbaitits about 1.1GB03:28
NullM0demyes, its huge03:28
penguinbaitits not just KDE though03:28
NullM0demkoffice as well?03:28
penguinbaitghostscript, cups, samba, koffice03:29
penguinbaitand many others03:29
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NullM0demthe goods...   I like kde's central documentation setup03:30
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penguinbait211MB but package tree is building, about 20%, I think its gonna finish03:31
penguinbaitin about another hour03:31
elbRobot101: which one, Giving Back?03:33
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KotCzarnywrong chan?03:34
Robot101elb: yes03:34
elbRobot101: thanks03:35
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elbI thought it was pretty reasonable and collected03:35
elbI got at least two pieces of hate mail over it, though ;-)03:35
Robot101elb: pretty reminiscent of
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Robot101elb: gah... its a shame this has turned into such a debacle.03:35
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elbRobot101: yeah03:38
elbour position is completely misrepresented at pretty much every turn03:38
elb(note that my blog post even says, flat out, that if this turns out to be the wrong idea, we'll abandon it, for example)03:39
johnxthis is about pidgin? yeah, slashdot put the typical /. spin on it, too...03:39
elbbut our voices really aren't heard, so ...03:39
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penguinbaitit sounds like the government :)03:40
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penguinbaitsorry, I mentioned the government :(03:41
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penguinbaitfudge monkeys03:43
NullM0demI had a crazy synchronicity a few years back, everytime i  said microsoft sucks i would get bounced of yahoo messenger, It happend 5 times in a row... turns out the cable company was doing line work :-P03:43
penguinbait215MB swap, 99%complete - REBOOTED03:44
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KotCzarnyfun killer03:44
NullM0dem20 minutes till i unbox :-D03:44
penguinbaitNull, do you currently have a device?03:45
NullM0demshould i run 32 bit linux to flash an updated OS03:45
KotCzarny..and spot that it's missing03:45
NullM0demonly scratchbox03:45
woodwizzlecan VNC not forward 3d accelerated apps?03:45
penguinbaityou will enjoy it, I am sure03:45
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penguinbaitnull, you can flash with linux 32bit or windows03:46
NullM0demI have been waiting for a capable tablet pc for many years, i was always let down by the palms / ipaqs03:46
NullM0demok, i run 64 currently03:46
KotCzarnynm: well, define 'capable'03:46
NullM0demsimply just a way to read ebooks and surf03:47
penguinbaitI was eying zaurus and ipaq for a while03:47
johnxisn't there a staticly linked flasher?03:47
NullM0demi have 3 ipaqs, they collect dust03:47
NullM0dem3900 series03:47
johnxdevices without hardware keyboards or *really good* onscreen keyboards are hard to love03:48
KotCzarnydepends on use03:48
penguinbaitdepends on definition03:48
NullM0demthe ipaqs serve as a decent universal remote thats about it03:48
johnxNullM0dem, have you tried Linux on them? or is the 3900 not supported well?03:49
penguinbaitmatchbox keyboard in nokia hildon works great, matchbox keyboard in Debian build makes me want to throw my n800 at the wall03:49
penguinbaitno offense :)03:49
NullM0demthey run linux very well, im cheap and wont buyt the serial cable03:49
NullM0demI used matcbox on my thinkpad 600e for a while, a few years back03:50
penguinbaitsend me an ipaq, I will buy one :)03:50
NullM0dem400mhz pii03:50
NullM0demthey need batts03:50
johnxnone taken03:50
johnxit's a huge PITA03:50
penguinbaitjohnx, it does work better under my kde version03:50
NullM0dempenquinbait: they need battery's, i would let one go03:51
johnxthe nice big onscreen Nokia thumboard is closed source for some reason03:51
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penguinbaitit shrinks the size of konsole when turned on, and resizes when turned off03:51
penguinbaitI never used the thumb board03:51
penguinbaitnever ever03:51
johnxI rarely use the small osk03:52
penguinbaitI always use that one on my n80003:52
Zieglerback... anyone aware of some documentation to get usb-control working with a USB keyboard and the n810?03:52
penguinbaitis it morning already?03:53
johnxZiegler, is the usb keyboard not getting enough power perhaps?03:53
Zieglerah.. yeah that could be03:54
johnxthe basic documentation is: install usb-control, run it, click host, type things03:54
Zieglerhow much current is the n810 capable of providing?03:55
johnx100mA I think03:55
johnxor was it 200mA?03:55
penguinbaitI would think enough for a keyboard03:55
NullM0demIll be back later, going to unbox :-D  penguinbait: i will definatly send you an ipaq if you are serious.03:56
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penguinbaitbatter huh03:56
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penguinbaithave fun03:56
johnxit depends on the keyboard. I believe some people even had keyboards that work but fail or crash their n8x0 when they hit more than a few keys at once03:56
johnxif you could pastebin the messages from dmesg right after you plug it in and switch to host mode, that would help03:57
NullM0demsounds like a software issue03:57
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Zieglercoming right up ;-)03:58
Zieglerthis was from earlier03:58
Zieglerlook down near the bottom03:58
Zieglerbtw... what is EAC mode?03:58
johnxwell, ok, I have no real idea04:04
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johnxCan you try anything else?04:04
Zieglerone sec....04:04
johnxhmm...nothing will happen with the mouse04:04
johnxdo you have a flash drive?04:04
Ziegleryeah... let me grab it04:04
Zieglerok... whats supposed to happen?04:07
johnxit's supposed to mount automagically04:08
johnxshould work with fat16/32, and ext2/304:08
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Zieglerjohnx: you here?04:12
KotCzarnywho splatted the net again?04:12
* johnx is here04:13
johnxdid I miss something during the split?04:13
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Zieglerjohnx: plugged in the usb flah04:14
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johnxhmm, you tried tapping host in usbcontrol again?04:15
Zieglerwhat is supposed to happen?04:15
johnxit's supposed to popup a little message box telling you it detected something, then mount the drive and bring up the file manager04:15
johnxif it gets an unsupported device it should at least say "unsupported"04:16
Ziegleryeah... nothing04:16
johnxthough I have had a usb flash drive that takes too much power to work04:16
johnxI assumed that it was rare and poorly designed (hence why it was on sale)04:16
Navi2GB flash drives are so cheap now04:16
Zieglerimation 1gb04:16
ds3maybe it uses an oven to minimize flash write times? ;)04:17
ds3(or is that a fridge?)04:17
johnxthey weren't as cheap a couple years ago when I was trying to use this with my zaurus04:17
NaviI bought a 512MB drive for like, 70 bucks a couple of years ago04:17
Ziegleranyone know what EAC mode listed in dmseg is?04:17
johnxsomething about sound I would assume04:18
Zieglerthat maxes sence04:18
Ziegler(I just cant type)04:18
t_s_ohmm, it seems i have trouble with autenticating (or something like that) package from extra recently...04:18
penguinbaitsense you retype?04:19
Zieglerthats what happens when I try to read and type all at once04:21
penguinbaityeah yeah, just keep your eyes on the road!!04:21
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johnx|zaurusback laterish04:32
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Gumersindozi wenaz04:49
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woodwizzleI'm having a little trouble with VNC, though its on the server side, not the client side05:12
woodwizzleI can edit the geomety of the VNC server if I use tightvncserver. But then I can't get a full gnome desktop. I get a full gnomme desktop using ubuntu's built in server: Vino, but it is running at my monitors full resolution, I would need to drop it down to 800x480 if possible.05:14
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adam_anyone has an opinion on some of the different fm transmitters that are compatible with the n800 series05:58
adam_im looking for something that has usb connection and 12v plug in05:58
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christefanoadam_: I'm interested in that, too06:18
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adam_christefano: I found a couple at best buy that sound pretty good from reviews but I still want a first hand opinion from someone with a similar device06:20
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tank-manfm transmitters suck06:36
elbI have a Philips of some sort ... its audio quality is fair at best06:37
christefanoI'm going to need one for the car radio.06:37
tank-manuse a cassette adaptor if you can06:37
christefanothis radio doesn't have a cassette player :(06:37
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Navijohnx, what's going to be in the next debian release?07:19
johnxmy goals are rotation support, xfce for the desktop and working n810/usb keyboard support07:19
johnxsomething else you want me to work on?07:19
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johnx(given that I don't want to hold the next release up for sound support)07:20
NaviThat's good.07:20
NaviKeyboard would be the biggest thing07:21
johnxah, and last thing: kernel messages during boot!07:21
johnxpeople will be able to see what failed. it will be revolutionary07:21
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timelyxjohnx: eh?07:22
timelyxpeople will be able to pull out their magnifying glasses and see text for a split second?07:22
johnxmore like 45 seconds with the current debian boot speed07:23
johnxbut yeah07:23
timelyxyou guys and your revolutions07:23
johnxalso, some people have run into problems and have no good way to debug them07:23
timelyxproblems w/ what?07:23
johnxdebian booting. the problem is I don't know what their problems are :)07:23
timelyxitos/maemo support sysklogd if you want to install it07:23
timelyxand what's wrong w/ dmesg/07:24
johnxand so does debian, but sometimes the errors happen early in boot and keep them from ever getting to a point where syslogd starts or they can even get a shell07:24
johnxanyways, as long as they're going to install a whole other geeky distribution it might as well live up to their expectations of geekiness by scrolling boot messages at them07:26
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Navijohnx, if we're going the geeky path, make dwm the default wm07:31
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johnxhey if I go that far it might as well be twm07:31
johnxdon't tempt me :P07:31
NaviDo eet07:31
johnxthat would be kind of awesome to have an all text bootup and just drop off users in twm with an xterm and a little on screen keyboard07:32
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johnx"yay! now you have debian! why did you want it again?"07:33
n800ndoes screen rotation need flashing?07:33
johnxnot a whole flash. you just need to flash the kernel07:34
timelyxis that DebianWindowManager?07:34
johnxso rootfs and initfs stays07:34
n800ni cloned the os to a caed so i'd have more room for appa07:35
n800nnow i'm afraid to touch cause that took me a few hours07:36
n800nbut i really want the rotation07:36
KotCzarnywhat for?07:37
n800nhave you tried it ?07:42
KotCzarnyit's fun07:42
KotCzarnysome apps have quirks, but overall useful07:42
johnxn800n, just rsync a copy of your card somewhere before you install it07:44
johnxthat's the beauty of boot from sd :)07:45
KotCzarnyor just clone the cloned partition07:45
n800nit's also faster07:45
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n800ni wish i would have an even bigger partition for the os tho07:46
johnxwhy not just take up the whole card?07:46
tank-manwhats stoping you?07:46
n800ni followed penguinbait's guide to the letter, a few weeks ago07:47
johnxdo you have a linux desktop and a card reader?07:47
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tank-manwhen partitioning the disk, use different numbers07:47
johnxaaah, the OS partition is partition 2, right?07:48
n800nsorry, slow typer with the stylus07:48
n800nended up with 2gb for the os07:49
n800non a 8gb card07:49
WorkingOnWiseis there a way to get the hand writing recognition to behave like the palm grafitti does?07:49
n800nyou can train it07:50
johnxif you figure out a way to go through 2GB of space I promise to be surprised :)07:50
n800n93% is taken up atm07:50
WorkingOnWisei guess the biggest thing for me is the way it adds spaces if I space to far apart. If I want a space, I'll do a swipe07:50
WorkingOnWisejohnx: KDE will do that easy!07:51
johnxisn't it only about 1GB?07:51
n800nhm i'm wrong, nm07:51
johnxfair enough then07:52
WorkingOnWiseI have an 8GH SDHC just to be sure I dont run out of space. But I do need a 16GB SDHC for vifeos too  :D07:52
n800nwe need more slots07:53
n800ncould another card be mounted via usb?07:53
WorkingOnWisejohnx: is there a way to improve the sound quality of the bluetooth? a2dp or mono, either sounds so bad on bluetooth that I wont even use it....07:53
johnxWorkingOnWise, can you hear a difference between a2dp and mono?07:54
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johnxalso, does it sound different when paired with another computer?07:54
WorkingOnWisejohnx: yeah, a2dp is better but still not doing justice conpared to my cell for listening to music07:55
WorkingOnWisepaired to my cell it sounds GREAT07:55
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WorkingOnWisebluetooth audio in Hardy is still a joke, so I cant pair fully to know how it sounds paired to a PC07:56
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johnxdoes it sound more staticky on the N800? or is it that it drops out from time to time07:56
tank-mann800n, yea, i connected a usb flash stick07:56
johnxWorkingOnWise, bt audio in hardy works for me07:57
n800ndoes it need power?07:57
WorkingOnWisejohnx: way more staticky. it is a little cleared on a2dp, but dropps more from the cpu use...07:57
tank-mannot the one i used07:57
johnxunfortunately it was one of the things that *did* work. I'm installing debian now on my pc (ing on my n800)07:57
tank-manusb keyboard works too07:57
n800npowerless too?07:58
johnxWorkingOnWise, and you're positive that it's using a2dp. Does mplayer say reasonable things when it stats up?07:58
WorkingOnWisejohnx: I watched the NIT video it came with, stereo sound there07:58
tank-manyea, didnt have ot use a powered hub07:58
WorkingOnWisewith MPlayer07:58
n800nnice, i gotta get a tiny  usb kb then07:59
WorkingOnWiseis there any way to improve the quality? It sounds great with headphones plugged in.08:00
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johnxprobably not until someone else steps up and optimizes bluez-audio stuff and cleans it up (not me :P) or Nokia does08:01
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johnxit's possible that your headphones want a specific frequency or something, in which case there might be something you can do with alsa for them08:02
johnxyou'd have to look at the output of mplayer and see what it says about kind of stuff08:02
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GrackleWhen I enable virtual memory in the control panel, shouldn't I see that there is swap when I run 'free'?08:04
johnxI think so, yes08:05
GrackleI'm not. :/08:06
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WorkingOnWiseputer froze on me.....i didne see anything from you johnx after I told you I had stereo sound watching the NIT movie....08:07
johnxit's funny, cause I saw your ping08:08
WorkingOnWiseyou did?08:08
johnxjust one, right before you quit08:08
WorkingOnWiseah. My log shows both went thru...I love Charter!08:09
johnxanyways, bt audio won't improve unless someone does the work, and that's not me :)08:09
johnxMaybe Nokia will surprise us in Diablo08:10
WorkingOnWiseso it's a software issue, not hardware?08:10
johnxor at that point, maybe someone will finally get fed up with the status-quo and steup up to fix things08:10
johnxI think it's software, yes08:10
timelyxbt audio support is mostly a series of unimplemented features08:10
n800nrumours are the n820 will have a golden, diamond-studded stylus08:11
czrhey timelyx :-)08:11
WorkingOnWiseI am already surprised. Suprised that it made it out of the dev department with all there half implimented features08:11
johnxBTW, WorkingOnWise, you should look through mplayer's output (set to verbose) and see if maybe it's not picking the right rate for your headphones or something08:11
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johnxthe tablets are thoroughly an experiment at Nokia at this point I think. Maybe that will change and they'll focus more attention on them, but for now...08:12
WorkingOnWisejohnx: ok. I'll do that. But that wouldnt explain the poor quality with a2dp turned off would it?08:12
timelyxhi czr08:12
timelyxyou in town?08:12
czrtimelyx, yup. you?08:12
czrfood at some point?08:12
timelyxmy mac doesn't leave town fwiw,08:12
timelyxyeah that could be doable08:13
WorkingOnWisethey sure are johnx. Too bad. I cant recommend it to non-geeks at all08:13
timelyxfwiw i've started writing the microb-diablo release notes08:13
timelyxor rather, collecting the 800ish lines of notes that will become human readable eventually08:13
czrtimelyx, cool. although I haven't been working on/with/even close to maemo for some months now :-)08:13
johnxcan you tell us anything, or are you teasing us? :P08:13
timelyxjohnx: most of what i'm doing is converting changelogs into human readable text08:14
johnxright, but the things in those changelogs :)08:14
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johnxnew version of gecko? hidden jet pack? that kinda thing08:14
timelyxmost of our change logs are public...08:14
czrexcept the secret ones!08:14
timelyxczr: ok, half of our change logs are publc?08:15
johnxah, well I should take a look then :)08:15
czrfair nuff :-)08:15
* timelyx sighs08:15
Grackleyay, there we go, virtual memory created08:15
* czr always assumes the non-public stuff contains something interesting. however, so far it's been mostly as boring as the public stuff :-)08:15
* timelyx kicks garage08:16
timelyxthere are about 3 useful non public things i can think of08:16
timelyxand they're basically entirely new packages08:16
czrany idea whether diablo will be out this year? if so, they'll need to name it creatively08:17
czrIT2008 + 1/2.08:17
timelyxthey already announced the name08:17
czroh. what is it?08:18
timelyxdidn't you read the wimax edition announcement?08:18
czrI've been working on other stuff timelyx :-)08:18
czrprotocol design and embedded system bootstrapping..08:18
timelyxone of my favorite pages08:18
timelyxNokia N810 Internet Tablet <br>WiMAX Edition08:18
timelyxnote the footnotes in VERY LARGE TEXT08:18
timelyxbecause they're so VERY IMPORTANT08:18
czr"This site requires Flash 8 or higher. Click below to install Flash."08:19
timelyxignore that?08:19
czrthat's why I probably didn't read the announcement.08:19
timelyxuse noscript08:19
timelyxoh darn08:19
timelyxit isn't in this buggy page08:19
timelyxit's in the other one08:19
czrthere is another page with bugs? oh my.. :-)08:19
timelyxwell, it has to be one or the other...08:20
timelyxbe sure to use noscript08:20
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timelyxhas the specifications08:20
timelyxignore the bugs08:20
timelyxInternet Tablet OS: maemo Linux based OS 2008 feature upgrade08:21
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timelyxthat's the name according to that spec page08:21
timelyxand it's the marketing page, so it must be right, right?08:21
timelyx(ignore the bugs, the page averages one bug per two lines)08:21
WorkingOnWisewow. I turned off a2dp and removed it totally, paired my S9 headset to the N800, and made a Skype test call. I have full duplex audio but it cuts so bad theres no way I could make a call with it!. Is this something I'll just have to live with?08:21
czryeah, just found the name. it feels.. silly :-)08:22
timelyxczr: i thought it was cute :)08:22
czrit's like one course that N specced for us some time ago: "C development for Linux developers"08:22
johnx_WorkingOnWise, I have no idea, but skype calls over bt work fine for me and the a2dp hack *shouldn't* affect them08:22
czrwhich I thought was quite funny.08:22
czrobviously we started out by printing out lifesize cardboard figures of the most prominent kernel devs08:23
johnx_as opposed to C development for cavemen?08:23
* czr coughs08:23
WorkingOnWisejohnx_hmmm....your on OS2008, right?08:23
czrwell, I'd assume that Linux developers generally don't need a course in C.08:23
timelyxjohnx_: C for Symbian Developers08:23
johnx_czr, that sounds like an awesome course08:23
czrsssshhh timelyx :-)08:24
johnx_timelyx, ah, that would make sense08:24
johnx_WorkingOnWise, yes08:24
czrI think that for 90% of participants that is true actuall08:24
czractually even.08:24
WorkingOnWiseI'm gonna grab my wifes bt. its the same device, but maybe my paid is fubar08:24
johnx_I guess there could be C development for people who aren't developers08:24
czrbut I don't train anymore so I could care less :-)08:24
timelyxczr: you upgradd?08:24
czrC development for project damagers?08:24
czrtimeless, upgrade to what?08:25
johnx_WorkingOnWise, all bt headsets/headphones can behave differently. My *headphones crash* if I feed them strange data for example08:25
timelyxnot doing training?08:25
Grackleproject managers c development all the time, and if you're lucky, that's all they do08:25
* Grackle makes bad puns and jokes about management08:25
czrtimeless, ah. just got fed up with the whole thing. the whole maemo material development thingy really bugged me out. so I'm doing other stuff now. real stuff.08:25
WorkingOnWiseGrackle: no such thing is there?08:26
WorkingOnWiseas bad puns....08:26
GrackleMost people would say the opposite :P08:26
Grackle"all puns are bad puns"08:26
czrthere are rather good ones in monty pythons though08:27
czrbeen rewatching all their production of late08:28
czrmy neighbours must think I've gone over the edge.08:28
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timelyxjohnx: btw, i just read;08:30
timelyxBrowser powered by Mozilla with state-of-the-art web standard support including AJAX08:30
timelyxso i can announce we support "including AJAX"08:30
johnx_the dish soap? or the Greek?08:30
timelyxthe soap08:30
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czrhaving AJAX built in sounds useful though. to get all that marketing droid dirt out of the pages?08:31
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* n800n kicks steve jobs in the nuts08:37
* czr feels the sudden upspike of greed arriving. means time to do some invoices.08:37
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czrn800n, you're not scared of all the apple-fanboys of kicking you back? :-)08:37
johnx_ah, thanks timelyx08:37
n800nthey're all flamy08:38
n800nthey'd be scared by my clashing clothing08:38
czrn800n, you clash with your clothes?08:39
n800ni don't know...08:39
czr"NB#83424 mages are scaled but not displayed in full resoluti"08:39
czrtimelyx, didn't know that there is now a D&D emulator in as well ;-)08:39
Gracklehe only clashes when he's wearing his clashing clothes08:39
czrtimelyx, sounds like you've been having fun :-)08:40
Gracklewhee for having a 1GB mmc08:41
timelyxbeen? no. will be? yeah, about a month of joy08:41
n800nthe page flipping in leopard is pretty slick08:42
GrackleI would like a larger one, but this is still a nice improvement.08:42
n800nn800 should have it too08:42
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n800n2*8gb + 16gb here ;)08:43
GrackleWhat's the 16GB one, a USB device?08:43
Grackleoh, what, you have a spare one?08:44
n800nsort of08:44
n800ni look at it as part 2 oh the first 8gb sd08:45
GrackleOr is KotCzarny pulling my leg08:45
GrackleOh, two 16GB SD cards, one of which is split up into two 8GB partitions?08:45
n800nhehe no, sorry to cinfuse you08:47
n800n3 cards08:47
n800none is spare08:47
Grackleokay :P08:47
GrackleHeh, my spare is a 32MB card. >.>;08:48
* KotCzarny has 16mb mmc somewhere08:48
n800nthey got so cheap08:49
n800n2 gb around 15 bucks08:49
Gracklewow, really?08:50
GrackleI guess I could go out and buy a couple.08:50
KotCzarnyor one bigger?08:51
czrbigger is always better08:51
n800n4 gb is decent also08:51
KotCzarnyunless it's a rash08:51
n800n40 bucks i think08:52
czrKotCzarny, touche! but I guess there are people around there who like large rashes too!08:52
KotCzarnythere are people that eat poop08:52
KotCzarnyso it doesn't prove anything08:52
czryou mean like real poop or you mean "buy broken devices from the same vendor all over and over"? ;-)08:52
KotCzarnyi mean people are strange :)08:52
czryou mean like .. never mind :-)08:53
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* czr comes from a long line of strange people08:53
KotCzarnytime for breakfast08:53
KotCzarny5x2gb sd for 30$08:54
GrackleI wonder if I could set up scratchbox as a distcc node.08:54
KotCzarny3$ per gig :>08:55
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KotCzarnysecond hand of course08:55
GrackleThat would be nice. Set stuff up to compile from the N800, using my 3GHz C2D as the actual muscle to do it.08:55
GrackleWaiting for things to compile on the N800 really brings me back. :P08:55
KotCzarnygrackle: you compile on n800 ? o.o08:56
n800nwhen i got the 2 8gb ones i think i spaced out for a minute thinking of floppies08:56
czrfloppies <308:56
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KotCzarnygrackle: you don't like scratchbox ? :)08:56
GrackleSome things, KotCzarny. I will probably get sick of it soon, but it's so cool that I can do it!08:56
KotCzarnyif you setup distcc correctly you can use scratchbox as a slave i think08:57
GrackleScratchbox is okay, but it requires starting my virtual machine and doing all the networking stuff to move files onto the n800.08:57
Grackleyeah, I think that ought to be doable08:57
KotCzarnywhat virtual machine?08:57
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GrackleI can't get scratchbox set up in ubuntu. I'm sure it's possible, but I already had a project to work on, and I didn't want "setting up dev tools" to be its own project.08:58
czrthe vdso-thingy?08:58
GrackleI want to use my n800 as a pocket-sized ham radio computer. That would be fun.08:59
czrespecially at breakfast time08:59
czror if you're trekking in the woods/mountains.08:59
czrit's good to have some ham in a pocket size version08:59
KotCzarnycrank powered08:59
GrackleAn N810 might be better, really, because it has a built-in GPS. On the other hand, a lot of people have trouble with it.09:00
GracklePocket-sized APRS setup, sort of. N800, bluetooth GPS, and handheld radio.09:01
Gracklewoo, tk compiled09:01
* Grackle installs09:01
GrackleI have a bluetooth keyboard on the way, I wonder if it will arrive tomorrow.09:02
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n800nlots of n800's in nicks09:29
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Cptnodegardif i make a rss with a JPG link as <link> will it work with photocasts on canola?10:46
cy3o3I'm guessing that's a no?10:49
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Cptnodegardeither that or it wont read .gif10:50
cy3o3Now THAT would be gaaaaaaaaay10:50
Cptnodegardi was thinking to get a php script that spits out photocasts for webcomis10:51
cy3o3That'd be chill10:51
cy3o3Is Canola still beta 8?10:51
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Cptnodegardactually it is that it doesnt do gif10:52
Cptnodegardi change the url toa jpg and it works10:52
cy3o3looks like yeah, still beta810:52
Cptnodegardif gif dont work, wil png i wonder10:53
Cptnodegardpng works. jpg works. gif does not work10:54
Cptnodegardthats gay10:55
* Cptnodegard slaps canola around a bit with a sonic screwdriver10:56
JaffaMorning, all10:58
Cptnodegardgreetings earthling10:59
cy3o3sup Jaffa11:01
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aquatixmorning all11:08
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lardmanmorning all11:53
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Cptnodegardgot it13:07
Cptnodegardif anyone is interested, added as canola photo feed will give you the latest comic strip13:08
hrwCptnodegard: canola does not support normal rss feed for it?13:09
Cptnodegardmine does13:09
Cptnodegardas that thing works13:09
Cptnodegardadded it and works perectly13:10
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Cptnodegardgif images on the other hand it does not like13:18
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lardmanX-Fade: thanks13:24
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Cptnodegardmkay...made it work with gif files by converting the shit14:17
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term-siganyone know how get maps like that ?
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pupnikThis CIA rendition program, as long as we have it, should be applied to spammers.15:48
pupnikoop wrong channel15:48
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dragornterm-sig: that's maemo mapper15:51
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hrwsomeone know when maemo mapper will allow to use n810 keyboard for actions?15:52
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term-sigdragorn: are u sure? because maemo mapper dont support google earth right?16:00
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||cwterm-sig: MM supports pretty much any map url scheme16:02
||cwall you gotta do is figure out the url google earth uses16:02
term-sigok, then anybody had URI for google earth? i want get results like on that youtube movie..16:03
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||cwi don't recall mapper being able to do that stuff though16:04
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elbI think that's a video, with appropriately timed stylus movements16:05
||cwok, I think that's fake, if it showed menus or the sidebar or something I might believe it, but that runs even smoother than google earth on a high end pc, so no way16:06
elbwhen it's moving, toward the end, it's not quite right16:06
||cwright, almost like normal stylus lag, but everything else is too smooth16:06
elbyeah, I dunno, watching it again it seems possible16:08
elbbut ... since there's no 3d rendering support, it's not really possible ;-)16:08
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pupnikit might be possible.  here's 800x480 3D voxels at ~25fps
pupniki'm not saying the video IS real16:13
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pupnikok 21-22fps16:15
dragornah I only watched the beginning of the video16:19
dragornhowever maemo mapper does support keyhole tiles16:19
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pupnik  i think more of us could be looking into the Builder for Maemo Extras (buildME)16:51
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penguinbaitwhere is hcitool for 2008os?  anyone?17:13
term-sigin bluez utils ?17:14
penguinbaitwierd huh17:14
term-sigare u sure?17:15
penguinbaitits installed and its not here17:15
penguinbaitdo you have it?17:15
penguinbaitbtw i am sure of very little17:16
term-sigwait, i need check.17:17
penguinbaitit does not come in 2008 blues-utils17:18
penguinbaithow stupid17:18
term-sigah, what language it's?17:20
penguinbaitI think dutch?17:20
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aquatixpenguinbait: then it would've been `dank' or `bedankt' :)17:21
aquatix`danke' is a possibility17:21
aquatixbut that's more german17:21
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||cwa typo for sanka?17:22
penguinbaiturban dictionary say, slang for thanks17:22
penguinbaitmaybe 8 just made it up?17:22
penguinbait8 = I17:22
aquatixmaybe :)17:22
* aquatix is off17:22
aquatixsounds jamaican like that :)17:23
penguinbaitdanka is a polish female17:25
penguinbaitthen wayne newton sings "danka shane"17:26
penguinbaitsomeone stop me17:26
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term-sigpenguinbait: it's more danuta17:26
term-sigthen danka ;)17:26
penguinbaitkinda sounds like thank you, if you say it right!17:27
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term-sigque passa?17:34
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SDuensinAnyone else having problems installing the SDK on Ubuntu?17:38
penguinbaitwhat happened to hcitool --connect17:38
qwerty12SDuensin, I was, I ended up reformatting.17:38
qwerty12Which version?17:38
penguinbaithow do you make connections now?17:38
SDuensinUh.  Whatever they call the one for 2008.17:39
SDuensinI managed to make it work once, but now I can't get the SDK install script to run.17:39
term-sigpenguinbait: this same like before mate..17:39
* SDuensin is also reinstalling his OS.17:39
qwerty12SDuensin, for 8.10, nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled.17:39
penguinbaitits not,17:39
qwerty12penguinbait, give me a sec17:40
SDuensinqwerty12 - Oh, Ubuntu version.  I have 8.04.  It's the Kubuntu Remix CD.17:40
penguinbaiti need to just go compile myself like last time17:40
term-sigpenguinbait: cc ?17:40
qwerty12SDuensin, but I think version is the same.17:40
penguinbaityes SD17:41
infobotqwerty12 meant: SDuensin, but I think kernel is the same.17:41
penguinbaiti am running kubuntu 80417:41
penguinbaiterrors right17:41
SDuensinSo mind explaining to me what "nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled" means in English?17:41
penguinbaithold on17:41
penguinbaitecho 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled17:42
penguinbaitthat fixes it17:42
penguinbaitneeds to be run after each reboot17:43
qwerty12That will disable it for a one time session. You can use sysctl or kernel line in grub to disable it permanently17:43
SDuensinIs that the address randomization stuff?17:43
qwerty12penguinbait, for hcitool,
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qwerty12Grab the bluez-utils-test_3.22-0osso2_armel.deb17:43
qwerty12According to fanoush, the bluetooth stuff was replaced by DBUS in OS2008.17:44
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penguinbaitwhat happened to hcitool --connect17:47
penguinbaitwhat is new connection string?17:47
qwerty12I think its "hcitool cc" now afaik17:47
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term-sigpenguinbait: 16:37 < term-sig> penguinbait: cc ? ;P17:49
nougaHi ! how to use vi in os2008 on N800 ? no arrows to move the cursor.17:50
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qwerty12The d-pad works17:50
qwerty12Make sure you are in insert mode.17:50
term-sigand u can ebale insert mode with esc :i17:50
SDuensinvi = Virtually Incomprehensible17:51
nougad-pad ? what is it ? I'm new in this toy17:51
penguinbaitvi rules17:51
term-signouga:  go to nokia webpage for tutorial about u buttons ;)17:51
nougathanks ! i'll try17:52
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muun8x0 competitor ? ;-)17:56
SDuensinDoes the girl come with it?17:57
Cptnodegardshe comes as a seperate download17:58
lardman~curse Berlin for being expensive17:58
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Berlin for being expensive !17:58
SDuensinLooks more like an Eee competitor.17:58
lardmanSDuensin: she has no knees though17:59
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SDuensinFunny - I didn't even notice!18:00
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SDuensinI like that the keyboard is removable on that ONE.  Very cool.18:02
Cptnodegardwtf do you need knees for?18:02
Cptnodegardi mean I've heard of foot fetishes...but knees18:03
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term-sigwhy not? Cptnodegard it's sexy too..18:03
Blafasellardman: Why? Linux Tag?18:03
lardmanBlafasel: yep18:04
BlafaselCptnodegard: Bought that usbgeek USB to Nokia cable, but it somehow didn't work so far (tried it only on my laptop)18:04
lardmanCptnodegard: standing up...!18:04
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nougaRe HI ! thanks for help in VI, i spend so much time with vim that i forgot this good old VI commands ! now my /etc/netwok/interfaces are OK18:13
nougaBY !18:13
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qwerty12~curse deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors.18:24
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. !18:24
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qwerty12Someone really needs to upgrade the ~curse function. I know a lot of swear words..., I'll volunteer :p18:28
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Navi~curse qwerty1218:28
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 !18:28
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qwerty12~curse Navi for making it say something different :p18:29
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi for making it say something different :p !18:29
CptnodegardBlafasel: weird, mine works fine. use it with a usb battery18:29
Navi~curse qwerty1218:29
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 !18:29
qwerty12~curse Navi18:29
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi !18:29
qwerty12infobot, you are like a one track record.18:30
infobotqwerty12: what are you talking about?18:30
qwerty12infobot, don't worry.18:30
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qwerty12I'm sad for having a convo with a bot :/18:30
||cwqwerty12: especially since it's not an Alice18:30
NaviI go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried18:32
qwerty12s/I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried/I sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried18:33
||cwyeah, sleeping with li-on seems like a bad idea18:33
NaviHa, I knew that joke was coming18:33
NaviBut I toss in my sleep and I'm afraid of tossing it or something :P18:34
||cwI'd be more afraid of the battery overheating and exploding18:34
||cwbeing wrapped covers (poor cooling) and you maybe pushing buttons18:35
NaviI'm not worried about it asploding18:35
qwerty12Same here, I leave mine under my pillow because I'm too tired to put it on my bedside table.18:36
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BlafaselCptnodegard: Any recommendation for a battery?18:51
CptnodegardBlafasel: i got one from great but expensive18:56
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Zic(hi), any infos about port of Ubuntu Mobile to ARM arch by Nokia itself ?19:20
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||cwZic: no, but someone does have UM running on I think an n80019:26
Zicyes, I saw it on the Planet Maemo, iirc19:26
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ZicFor now, I prefer Maemo than UM, but it would be nice to test it on a real touchscreen device19:27
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Zic(I use the Moblin Image Creator to test UM …)19:27
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Zic(to test on a standard computer)19:27
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ralannthis is the most badass device i have ever owned19:37
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NaviIt's the second most badass device I've ever owned19:37
borismwhat are you talking about?19:38
ralannust got my n81019:38
penguinbathe beowolwe cluster of furby's is up there on the list19:39
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n800nthanks for the os>card clone guide19:40
n800nif you're the guy that posted it yeah19:41
* n800n noob19:41
penguinbaitno, i created a deb to to it19:42
n800ni did it a few weeks ago, no deb19:42
n800nnm then ;)19:42
penguinbaituh, I mean your welcome ;)19:43
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n800nit was milhouse19:44
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qwerty12Is there anyway to get the /dev/dsptask/pcm3 in the ARMEL target w/out me having to resort to testing on my N800 or switching to X86 target? would really help me out.20:27
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lcukqwerty12, i was under the impression xephyr emulated arm, the dsp tasks are not specifically arm20:33
lcukso - based on my understanding i would say no, you will have to test dsp stuff on device20:33
RST38hbtw, can I symbolic-link ~/MyDocs to /media/mmc1/MyDocs?20:34
qwerty12lcuk, Ah thanks. I can use X86 target but it is  a pita :). Btw, not to sound like a prick but qemu emulates the arm :)20:34
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lcuki thought you could have arm without dsp20:35
qwerty12Some games want the /dev/dsptask to be there otherwise they won't run :(20:35
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qwerty12I'm playing with ROTT atm, I've got it to run full screen but the controls are extremely bad.20:36
lcukevening ssvb :)20:36
lcuki do all testing directly on the device anyway. so ive never come across this issue20:37
qwerty12I can't be arsed to hook up a USB cable :/, ssh isn't an option for me :(20:38
lcukwhats up with ssh?20:39
* qwerty12 notes I have to connect the USB though a lot :(20:39
qwerty12lcuk, I won't bore this channel again but basically after entering my password, it stays connecting forever.20:39
lcukoooer that doesnt sound healthy, call out a doctor and get him to have a look at your setup :) should only cost you a beer or two20:40
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qwerty12Hehe, sounds fair enough :)20:41
* qwerty12 just realised I have a headache <.<20:41
lcukif you do have someone nearby perhaps they could solve a problem much quicker than tooing and froing.  :) take some pills20:42
qwerty12Yeah, I should do (both suggestions), thanks :)20:42
qwerty12This is why I hate switching to X86, I need to recompile for ARM.20:42
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lcuk"You must restart your computer for changes to take effect"20:44
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AStormlcuk: dsp tasks are arm, but arm7 or so21:10
AStormwith additional specialized operations21:11
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AStormmy matchbox entered some undefined state21:13
AStormtask list crashed or something21:13
AStormhow do I restart that?21:14
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kulvedsp tasks are not "arm". DSPs are separate cpu architecture containing their own instruction set.21:23
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AStormeven better21:24
AStormso, only wifi is an additional arm then :P21:24
AStormwhat abt. IVA?21:25
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pH5AStorm: yes, IVA is said to be based on some ARM7 core.21:30
pH5are there *any* specifics known about the coprocessors? (IMX, VLCD, and whatever other acronyms appear in the marketing materials)21:30
AStormVLCD is the LCD controller21:30
AStormso, not too useful for us :P21:30
AStormIMX? what's that?21:31
lcukwell we know lots about the PVR, just none of it is usableat this point in time21:31
pH5no, the variable length encoding/decoding quantization coprocessor21:31
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pH5iMX is some SIMD coprocessor for (i)dct21:32
lcukthe SIMD instructions are built directly onto the standard ARM core arent they21:32
AStormnot all of them21:32
AStormand not outsourced to another core21:32
lcukie directly accessible from "standard" assembler21:32
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lcukpH5, i gather the 2430breakdown didnt work out21:34
AStormor new fingers21:36
pH5lcuk: or rather nobody tried hard enough yet21:36
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penguinbaitI am loving this bluetooth mouse on 810, in KDE of course21:42
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NullM0demanyone know of a pdf reader that does auto scroll?22:03
lbravobest bluetooth keyboard for an 810?22:04
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n800nemelfm2 = useful?22:26
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n800nkagu > canola?22:38
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Navikagu = ugly?22:58
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qwerty12_N800I don't think it's even updated anymore either.22:58
Naviway too ugly, IMO22:58
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Naviway too many gradients, IMO22:59
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NaviI should make a theme that fits my liking.23:00
AlfafaI have a problem connecting to messenger with telepathy-haze(and pidgin for that matter also) on a N810. The problem only occurs when at home behind my netfilter filter firewall(other places with "normal" wireless routers the problem don't occur). I just get a "Network error" there some log or something I can look at in maemo?23:01
NaviLast update on the trac was two months ago23:01
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elbsounds to me like your netfilter firewall is broken23:02
elbyou can open the debug window in Pidgin23:02
Alfafaelb: ok. I will try the pidgin thing. I don't think my netfilter firewall is broken...I haven't got this problem with a laptop on the same network using pidgin23:03
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elbif it works without it ...23:03
Alfafaelb: And using exactly the same configuration for the laptop23:03
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RST38hBTW, gentlemen, the Google iPhone UI is now available for everybody23:05
Alfafaelb: I also notice that it can be slow generally using the network. Could it be the n810 don't like a strong wireless signal23:05
* qwerty12_N800 has to get off my ass and learn c, python & good bash scripting23:06
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RST38hthe only problem so far is that I can't make it show up in English23:08
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* Navi likes better23:12
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NaviGah, I can't find any good debian wallpapers :/23:20
NaviIt's like all debian users are artistically challenged or something >_>23:21
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* n800n offended.23:22
qwerty12_N800I'm indirectly mildly offended as im'a ubuntu user.23:23
* KotCzarny has slackware23:23
* Navi shrugs23:24
* qwerty12_N800 has grub23:24
* qwerty12_N800 has gnome23:24
* qwerty12_N800 has firefox23:24
KotCzarny  grub (grub)23:24
KotCzarny  1. To dig in the earth: grub for potatoes.23:24
KotCzarnycan i has a potatoeta?23:25
qwerty12_N800come on, I thought you slackware users were clever :p23:25
* KotCzarny is a cat23:25
* Navi is slightly offended as he is an ITOS user23:25
elbif they were clever, they wouldn't use slackware23:25
KotCzarnyit's a fine os23:26
NaviOi, don't diss Slackers.23:26
KotCzarnydoes what it has to23:26
KotCzarnyand gets the hell out of user's way23:26
elbI quit using it in 1998 or so ... when it became obvious that there were distributions, and then there were piles of tarballs ;-)23:26
KotCzarnyyou and your dependency hell23:26
* Navi stopped using it a few years ago for ArchLinux23:27
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elbdependency hell is a very avoidable problem23:27
penguinbaitcompile everything23:27
elband anyone who claims they don't have it on a non-dependency-tracking distro just doesn't know what they're talking about23:27
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Naviheilook, eetz penguinbait23:27
elbbecause dependencies still exist ;-)23:27
Naviwhen we gunna c teh KDE4 dood?23:27
penguinbaitnot from me23:28
elbbut anyway, I gave up caring what distro others used about the same time I quit using slack ;-)23:28
Naviaw man u sux23:28
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KotCzarnyelb: i don't claim that, i can tell on the other hand that slack maintainer chooses what to link and what's not needed23:28
penguinbait358 is better anyway :)23:28
Navinu uh23:28
qwerty12_N800penguinbait, seconded23:28
penguinbaituh huh23:28
Navinu uh23:29
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NaviAw, screw this23:29
qwerty12_N8004 was a buggy pos when i tried it23:29
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penguinbaitI like a billion options23:29
NaviI like dwm23:29
penguinbaitkde4 only has a million23:29
KotCzarnyi like pancakes23:29
penguinbaitblueberry pancakes23:30
NaviI've found a bunch of nice debian wallpapers, but none of them match what I want :(23:30
qwerty12_N800i <3 tux23:30
penguinbaitmake one23:30
Navino u23:30
KotCzarnyhe can't23:30
KotCzarnyhe is a debian user23:30
penguinbaitI hate debian why would i23:30
NaviI'm not a Debian user :P23:31
KotCzarnythen it doesn't matter23:31
NaviSure it does23:31
penguinbaitwhy do you want a debian wallpaper then23:31
NaviFor sex appeal, duh.23:31
penguinbaitlooking to score with special ed?23:32
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penguinbaitI am running kde on it with zelda mouse cursor theme, no sexier than that23:33
penguinbaitI love the little potion bottle for waiting23:33
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny, lol? :p. my favourite was when in uk, ikea manager got stabbed. £30 leather sofas...23:34
BlafaselReminds me that I still want to install hardy heron (Really, Ubuntu. These names suck) on my eeePC23:34
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KotCzarnyqwerty: fun23:34
qwerty12_N800now i lol23:34
penguinbaitcursor not in screenshot :(23:34
KotCzarny50-100 witnesses23:34
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NaviBlafasel, I've been meaning to install that on my test box23:35
NaviI've heard that it's a bad release23:35
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BlafaselNavi: Heard the same23:35
qwerty12_N800it's ok, but nothing to get excited over23:35
BlafaselBut I want a badass current distribution on my eeePC ;)23:35
NaviI don't get excited over Ubuntu releases :P23:36
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* KotCzarny didn't reinstalled for many years23:36
qwerty12_N800I dooooo :p.23:36
BlafaselI never tried ubuntu until 2 days ago on my desktop machine - and removed it after 10 minutes for OpenSuse again.23:36
NaviI'm not a fan of Debian or it's derivatives, but I do try them out so that I can later bash them23:36
* qwerty12_N800 reinstalled 3 days ago23:36
BlafaselNavi: ;)23:36
n800ni'm kinda excited aboout ubuntu23:37
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n800nthat windows installer made me curious23:37
qwerty12_N800I'd just make a partition.23:38
NaviBlafasel, I don't like RPM distros either :P23:38
BlafaselNavi: Neither do I, but OpenSuse is my best "Just works" experience so far and the build service is just great23:39
KotCzarnythat's on tablet?23:39
qwerty12_N800penguinbait, is that on n8*0?23:39
penguinbaitI am typing from it23:39
NaviI prefer quick setup over "just works"23:39
Blafaselpenguinbait: Neat!23:39
penguinbaitthats sexy :)23:40
BlafaselI'm more a gnome guy, but it looks great23:40
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Navipenguinbait likes to show off kde :D23:40
NaviIt's his tarball'ed child23:40
penguinbaithey its a deb now23:40
BlafaselWell, the screenshot is cute.. But I'm not sure if I'd replace (even parts of) maemo.23:41
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penguinbaitits not replacing anything23:41
qwerty12_N800it's not a replacement23:41
qwerty12_N800too l823:41
penguinbaitboot to maemo23:41
n800nisn't it slower?23:41
penguinbaitselect kde from extras menu23:41
penguinbaitthan a desktop?23:41
BlafaselAh, okay23:41
n800noh sweet23:42
n800nhow's speed tho?23:42
penguinbaitworks good, konqueror is a little slow to start, as is a few apps, but all run good23:43
penguinbaiti like kvirc23:43
penguinbaitfish is also very handy23:44
n800ni'm looking into getting music apps going, maybe that!d be one way23:44
qwerty12_N800does konversation run?23:45
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penguinbaiti have not tried23:45
qwerty12_N800ah :)23:46
penguinbaitkvirc and smplayer are about the only nonkde base apps I installed23:46
qwerty12_N800It's xchat for me on maemo,maybe weechat&bitchx&irssi when I get keyboard.23:46
penguinbaitI need to do some trading, i have nokia keyboard I never use23:48
penguinbaitnow with 81023:48
penguinbaitiblue gps also23:49
qwerty12_N800i'd keep the gps :p23:49
penguinbait8gb sdhc kingston class 623:49
penguinbaitmaemo mapper works great with internal gps,23:49
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penguinbaitit keeps me on the roads, thats all i need23:49
penguinbaitI am loving this bluetooth mouse with KDE23:51
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n800nsound working ok?23:55
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qwerty12_N800actually my favourite thing from pb's port of kde w/out ever using it is the x11vnc from it23:58
BlafaselHmm.. I might give that kde thing a try though. Just need a bigger SD card23:59
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