| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: no lftp on gronmayer | 00:00 |
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| AStorm | care to build it? :) | 00:00 |
| AStorm | should be quick and simple | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:01 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: or you :) | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | would i flash to 2007 the same way i did 2006 to 2008 ? | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | but with the 2007 bin? | 00:02 |
| AStorm | yes, why not? | 00:02 |
| Atarii | yup zakkkm | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | cause its downgrading and not upgrading? | 00:02 |
| Atarii | you still havin problems with 2008he? | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | just asking .. :( | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | slow? | 00:02 |
| Atarii | really? | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | well audio/.video playback . wont really work | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | freezes everything | 00:02 |
| zakkkm | but general slowness.. even removed that metalayer-crawler | 00:03 |
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| Atarii | hmm | 00:03 |
| zakkkm | trying rdesktop to my pc now :P | 00:03 |
| Atarii | try 2007he, but from my experience it was slower that 2008 | 00:03 |
| Atarii | but more works on it | 00:03 |
| zakkkm | oh really | 00:04 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: so, could you build lftp for me? | 00:04 |
| zakkkm | 2006 is fast but ugly.. not much programs ? well of what i tried | 00:04 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:04 |
| zakkkm | 2007 - never tried | 00:04 |
| AStorm | or does ncftp know scp and sftp too? | 00:04 |
| zakkkm | 2008 - SOOO NICE LOOKING but relaly slow and audio/video problems | 00:04 |
| Atarii | video/audio playback works in 2007he as well as skype | 00:04 |
| konttori | [00:04] • konttori just tested that the accelerometer is easy to get up and running. | 00:04 |
| konttori | [00:04] konttori: However, more of a question is how to use it. | 00:04 |
| konttori | [00:05] konttori: Mouse events, or to have a threshold to toggle key, ... e.g. for strafing in doom. | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | i would have to turn on my sdk machine | 00:04 |
| Atarii | hey konttori long time | 00:05 |
| konttori | yeah, well, been busy. | 00:05 |
| AStorm | konttori: my answer is - fix dasher and use it for typing | 00:05 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: why not sshfs? | 00:05 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: that's for later | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | it's easy | 00:05 |
| AStorm | and doesn't know ftp | 00:05 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: info? (need fuse module) | 00:05 |
| konttori | Atarii: if you have a wiimote, please try out the wiicontrol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176096#post176096 | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:06 |
| Atarii | im on 2008he, but ill give it a go | 00:06 |
| zakkkm | oh and apps tend to freeze :( | 00:06 |
| zakkkm | on 2008HE for me | 00:06 |
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| Atarii | its worst on 2007he | 00:07 |
| Atarii | what size card you got zakkkm? | 00:07 |
| zakkkm | 64mb? | 00:07 |
| zakkkm | the one that came with it | 00:07 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: make a repo out of it :) | 00:07 |
| Atarii | you using a swap? | 00:07 |
| zakkkm | 32mb | 00:07 |
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| KotCzarny | one day i will | 00:07 |
| AStorm | zakkkm: add more swap | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | but for now it's my bins storage | 00:07 |
| zakkkm | even still | 00:07 |
| zakkkm | audio/video wont play right | 00:07 |
| Atarii | the 2007 themes have been backported to 2006 i think, so you could make 2006 look "prettier" | 00:08 |
| AStorm | hmm, new lightmediascanner | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | what about 2008 themes? | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | no like | 00:08 |
| Atarii | zakkkm you tried playing media with the built-in media player? | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | the codecs are messed idk | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | i tried like 4 players | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | and mplayer | 00:08 |
| Atarii | the default one works for me | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | it plays it | 00:08 |
| woodwizzle | do i need to partition my sdcard to put the OS on it? | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | but it freezes the app | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | so i cant pause or anything | 00:08 |
| Atarii | also wat version mplayer have you tried? | 00:08 |
| zakkkm | then if i click something.. it goes into effect like a hour later | 00:08 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: no | 00:08 |
| AStorm | you can use the whole device | 00:09 |
| zakkkm | uhmm the one that came with canola? | 00:09 |
| AStorm | but you need some posix fs | 00:09 |
| Atarii | check the version | 00:09 |
| zakkkm | mplayer --version is it? | 00:09 |
| Atarii | not sure, if not it will say in the application manager | 00:09 |
| zakkkm | checkin. | 00:10 |
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| woodwizzle | AStorm: what if I want to enable swap? Does that require a swap partition like regular linux? or does the virtual memory tool in the control panel handle all that? | 00:10 |
| zakkkm | mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0 | 00:10 |
| zakkkm | its not mplayer though .. its the whole OS -.- | 00:10 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: linux supports swap files since... long | 00:10 |
| AStorm | so, it IS like regular linux | 00:10 |
| Atarii | try to get the .24 version of mplayer | 00:10 |
| zakkkm | virtual memory aka swap .. :D | 00:11 |
| AStorm | or .27 | 00:11 |
| Atarii | there were discusions here earlier that it was the fastest | 00:11 |
| zakkkm | swap is virtual memory ;p | 00:11 |
| zakkkm | yeah i remember | 00:11 |
| zakkkm | all the benchmarks | 00:11 |
| zakkkm | ;p | 00:11 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: is it better to have the swap file in a seperate partition? | 00:11 |
| AStorm | why? | 00:11 |
| Atarii | konttori now going to try this wiicontrol | 00:12 |
| woodwizzle | i dunno, thats the way I've always done it =) | 00:12 |
| konttori | Cool. | 00:12 |
| AStorm | the only important thing is that the swap file should better not be fragmented | 00:12 |
| zakkkm | yeah rdesktop froze | 00:12 |
| zakkkm | its the only thing running -.- | 00:12 |
| ImMelod1 | what's a good gtk programming resource? | 00:12 |
| konttori | The accelometer data is really easy to interpret. | 00:12 |
| Atarii | rdesktop over the internet or local network? | 00:13 |
| woodwizzle | AStorm: how else can you prevent the fragmentation? | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | which is better 2007 or 2008 | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | local internet | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libreadline5-dev libgnutls-dev (>= 1.3.5-0) | 00:13 |
| Atarii | check whats running | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | from under my keyboard.. to the pc in fornt of the keyboard | 00:13 |
| woodwizzle | zakkkm: I like 2008 better | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | lol | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | nothing is running | 00:13 |
| Atarii | i had rdesktop working flawlessly earlier | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: gnutls? | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | except maemo-launcher and xomap | 00:13 |
| zakkkm | woodwizzle: im on 2008 .. its reallly really slow though | 00:14 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: ext filesystem doesn't fragment on an empty partition | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | E: Couldn't find package libreadline5-dev | 00:14 |
| Atarii | check via 'ps' | 00:14 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: probably needed | 00:14 |
| AStorm | but it should work with openssl too | 00:14 |
| woodwizzle | zakkkm: Its not slow for me... maybe there is something else slowing you down | 00:14 |
| Atarii | tbh it sounds like metacrawler but you say you removed that? | 00:15 |
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| woodwizzle | AStorm: Right, that would mean it would be better to run it on its own partition than right? | 00:15 |
| AStorm | no! | 00:15 |
| zakkkm | woodwizzle: what nokia you got? | 00:15 |
| AStorm | argh, I hate stupid questions | 00:15 |
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| woodwizzle | If I just run 1 partition and I start filling it up then the swap file can fragment | 00:15 |
| AStorm | no | 00:15 |
| woodwizzle | zakkkm: n800 | 00:16 |
| zakkkm | yeah im on a nokia 770 -.- | 00:16 |
| AStorm | that's why you create the file first | 00:16 |
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| zakkkm | half the cpu i believe and ram too | 00:16 |
| AStorm | I mean, early | 00:16 |
| woodwizzle | Oh I getcha | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libncurses5-dev (>= 5.6) | 00:16 |
| AStorm | when there's a lot of continuous space | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. | 00:16 |
| zakkkm | will 2008 skins work on 2007 ..sorry if i already asked | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | doh. | 00:16 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: wtf? should be in repos | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | 5.6 | 00:17 |
| AStorm | hmm | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | 5.4 for tablet | 00:17 |
| AStorm | dammit, build from source | 00:17 |
| Atarii | dont think so zakkkm | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | ncurses? | 00:17 |
| AStorm | will work with 5.4 | 00:17 |
| AStorm | no | 00:17 |
| AStorm | fix the deps | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, i will try it | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | but there is always a reason | 00:18 |
| AStorm | yeah, like "I only tested it with 5.6" | 00:18 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:18 |
| AStorm | but I had Gentoo with 5.2 and lftp | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | it will fail, i tell you :P | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's readline deps | 00:18 |
| zakkkm | uis it worth looking into a edited kernel for my nokia 770 ? | 00:19 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 00:19 |
| AStorm | lol | 00:19 |
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| AStorm | why would it dep on that new curses? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | because i'm sucking from sid archive? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:19 |
| AStorm | hehee | 00:20 |
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| zakkkm | 3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- sounds right? | 00:21 |
| zakkkm | for my nokia 770 | 00:21 |
| Atarii | yup | 00:21 |
| zakkkm | k | 00:21 |
| zakkkm | 12min to download :P | 00:21 |
| Atarii | konttori the python-2.5-runtime files are 'stuck' downloading :( | 00:22 |
| zakkkm | would it be worth it dualbooting linux on my main ppl . .then ssh'ing it on-the-go? | 00:22 |
| Atarii | maybe | 00:22 |
| zakkkm | cause i got nice audio/video collection on my pc | 00:22 |
| zakkkm | but i only have a 64mb card? | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | so remoting it would be nice | 00:23 |
| Atarii | ah yes | 00:23 |
| AStorm | buy a better card | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | im in a city. theres wifi everywhere (Toronto, Canada ) | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | no money | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | i spent all on the nokia 770 | 00:23 |
| AStorm | and use sshfs or nfs | 00:23 |
| konttori | Atarii: Shame | 00:23 |
| AStorm | or samba | 00:23 |
| konttori | Damn! | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | my highschool wifi is open and all | 00:23 |
| zakkkm | so i thought maybe if i could connect to my home audio/video collection | 00:24 |
| zakkkm | and like stream it somehow? | 00:24 |
| zakkkm | to my nokia? | 00:24 |
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| AStorm | and get your head on a pike? | 00:24 |
| AStorm | :p | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | ok, readline compiled | 00:25 |
| AStorm | Also, lose a lot of battery life | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | now what should i do about gnutls | 00:25 |
| Atarii | it would also probably run like ass over the net | 00:25 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: isn't it openssl | gnutls? | 00:25 |
| AStorm | should be | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | noope | 00:25 |
| AStorm | thnere's a use flag in GEnto | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | not in debian i guess | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | i will try commenting out | 00:26 |
| AStorm | damnit | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it will pick up openssl anyway | 00:26 |
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| AStorm | that one screw of the stand keeps unscrewing | 00:26 |
| zakkkm | is orb any good? | 00:27 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: should | 00:27 |
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| KotCzarny | --without-ssl | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | in rules | 00:27 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 00:27 |
| AStorm | we need ssl | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | i think they link specifically to gnutls | 00:27 |
| AStorm | nope | 00:27 |
| AStorm | there's with-openssl | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | ok, let's see how it fares | 00:28 |
| AStorm | afaicr | 00:28 |
| Atarii | ok konttori i was going to try wiicontrol, but the status of my python files is "broken" | 00:28 |
| * konttori got the accelometer to work quite nicely now for outputting keyevents. So, during the weekend, some nice additions to wiicontroller | 00:29 | |
| konttori | now.. to bed | 00:29 |
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| AStorm | I gained +1 to screwing at night ;) | 00:31 |
| ImMelody | did I read that wrong? | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:31 |
| AStorm | yes, it's intended to be read wrong | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | it's a geek chan | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | heh, lftp is written in c++ | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | it will take some time, he he | 00:32 |
| AStorm | hehe | 00:32 |
| woodwizzle | Argh, the tutorial I'm following is really designed for dual booting. I don't wanna do that. Is there a simple easy to follow howto for migrating the OS to an SD card? | 00:33 |
| woodwizzle | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 is the one I have been using | 00:33 |
| AStorm | btw, what should I do with that fuse_sshfs tarball? | 00:33 |
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| AStorm | woodwizzle: thnere are on ITT | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: unpack to / | 00:34 |
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| KotCzarny | then insmod that fuse module and you are done | 00:35 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I don't trust you | 00:35 |
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| AStorm | I'll list it first | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: then compile it yourself | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:35 |
| zakkkm | any of you use something other than maemo on the tablet? | 00:35 |
| blahdeblah-lap | Hi. My N800 has lost the "offline" button since my last reboot. Any idea how i can get it back? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | zakkkm: johnx is using debian | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | blah: installed powermenu or something lately? | 00:36 |
| blahdeblah-lap | KotCzarny: nothing at all | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 00:36 |
| zakkkm | would debian be faster on it? | 00:36 |
| AStorm | /usr/local? yuck ;) | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | zakkkm: maybe, but has some issues to be resolved | 00:36 |
| AStorm | zakkkm: depends | 00:36 |
| zakkkm | hey if the whole OS is on a rs-mmc .. would it run faster? | 00:37 |
| AStorm | yes, esp. wifi | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | like power saving | 00:37 |
| AStorm | zakkkm: maybe, with 48Hz kernel | 00:37 |
| zakkkm | power usage is done by cpu load mostly isnt it? | 00:37 |
| AStorm | but default card doesn't work there | 00:37 |
| zakkkm | how would i get that kernel? wouldnt it help increase swap speed? | 00:37 |
| zakkkm | o | 00:37 |
| AStorm | hmm, yep | 00:37 |
| AStorm | Fanoush site | 00:38 |
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| zakkkm | would it help for me? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | zakkkm, might be an idea to change your nickname to show you are on a 770 | 00:38 |
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| zakkkm | k | 00:39 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | ok i got 2007HE downloaded | 00:39 |
| zakkkm_n770 | about to install | 00:39 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | oh | 00:39 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | needs full battery? | 00:39 |
| zakkkm_n770 | mine is like so close to dead | 00:39 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: now that I've fuse loaded | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | zakkkm: yes, that's preferable when flashing | 00:40 |
| AStorm | how do I mount sshfs? | 00:40 |
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| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: yes, charge it | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs user@host:/dir /mount/point | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | optionally -o allow_other | 00:40 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: blah | 00:40 |
| AStorm | mhm | 00:40 |
| AStorm | does work as user? | 00:40 |
| AStorm | or do I have to add suid bits? | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | if fusermount is suid | 00:41 |
| zakkkm_n770 | k | 00:41 |
| AStorm | ok | 00:41 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i was going to keep charging it while it installed 2007he -.;- | 00:41 |
| lcuk | zakkkm here are the custom kernels for when you get braver | 00:41 |
| lcuk | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 00:41 |
| AStorm | blah, /ujsr/local/bin not in path :P | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | mv | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:42 |
| AStorm | naah | 00:42 |
| AStorm | vim ~/.bashrc | 00:42 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | the custom kernel's just seem to add support.. do they speed anything up though? | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | lftp compiled | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | it's in usual location | 00:43 |
| lcuk | the KotCzarny repo groweth :) | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i should do repo 'requests' | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:44 |
| zakkkm_n770 | can anyone tell where i can get .24 mplaeyr for 2007HE? | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | and some automatic package building | 00:44 |
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| KotCzarny | hibernation on my sdk machine: Compressed 13053952 bytes into 6233213 (52 percent compression). | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
| woodwizzle | i need to unmouint my mmc1 card but it keeps saying its in use. I don't have any apps running except xterm and I'm not currently in the /media/mmc2 directory. What is using it and how can I kill it | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: fuser -v /media/mmc2 | 00:45 |
| zakkkm_n770 | if i install linux on my pc.. can i access it on my nokia and stream music to my nokia speakers? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 00:47 |
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| KotCzarny | if you sort out your sound problem | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: maybe my ffuser is different, but it says-v is an unsupported option | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: then try without? | 00:47 |
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| KotCzarny | should list pids that keep it open | 00:47 |
| AStorm | blah, no perms to /dev/fusee | 00:48 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: comes up empty :( | 00:48 |
| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: yes, ITs have esd running | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | then i can't help :) | 00:48 |
| zakkkm_n770 | Astorm: would it run well ? | 00:49 |
| zakkkm_n770 | nice . .smooth;.. low cpu usage? | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: maybe some terminal window with cd into that dir? | 00:49 |
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| woodwizzle | jeez, i can't even umount -f /media/mmc2 | 00:49 |
| lcuk | woodwizzle, just pop the card out - wait for something to crash and you will find out what was hogging it :D | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | and expect corruptions? | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:50 |
| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: on LAN, yes | 00:50 |
| AStorm | woodwizzle: fuser -m /media/mmc2 | 00:51 |
| AStorm | not -v | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | not LAN | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | talking over wifi ? | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | from my school .. connecting to my home pc | 00:51 |
| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: wifi,ok | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | home pc runinng linux... | 00:51 |
| AStorm | but not over internet | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | ? | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | yes internet? | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | wifi .. from school | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | so its buffering/downloading? | 00:51 |
| AStorm | no, too slow | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | zakkkm: maybe some winamp remote? | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:51 |
| zakkkm_n770 | for music? really? | 00:51 |
| AStorm | esd? it's streaming WAV | 00:52 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i have the internet bandwidth for streaming | 00:52 |
| AStorm | so. | 00:52 |
| zakkkm_n770 | mpd? | 00:52 |
| AStorm | no, you don't | 00:52 |
| woodwizzle | ah, i had virtual mem on | 00:52 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | straeming music? | 00:52 |
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| AStorm | mpd doesn't stream that way | 00:52 |
| zakkkm_n770 | music is like 1mb a minute for me? | 00:52 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i can up like 100-150kb/s | 00:52 |
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| tsukasa | okay i need help upgrading to 2008 | 00:53 |
| AStorm | you could run some remote controlled icecast/shoutcast server | 00:53 |
| zakkkm_n770 | tsukasa: what nokia? | 00:53 |
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| tsukasa | n800 | 00:53 |
| zakkkm_n770 | ah | 00:53 |
| lcuk | why didnt it show in fuser then | 00:53 |
| zakkkm_n770 | it didnt come with 2008? | 00:53 |
| tsukasa | nope | 00:53 |
| zakkkm_n770 | on windows? | 00:53 |
| tsukasa | linux | 00:53 |
| AStorm | lcuk: because it's a kernel thread | 00:53 |
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| Atarii | tsukasa you need the flasher-3.0 | 00:54 |
| zakkkm_n770 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 00:54 |
| tsukasa | it says found device rx-34, nolo version whatever, version of 'sw-release' <no version> and dies | 00:54 |
| lcuk | fair enough, but if root asks what is on a device surely it should be told | 00:54 |
| tsukasa | Atarii, i have it | 00:54 |
| zakkkm_n770 | tsukasa: download the .bin | 00:54 |
| tsukasa | zakkkm_n770, i have the .bin | 00:54 |
| zakkkm_n770 | oh you have to for linux hah | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | its more configurable on linux | 00:55 |
| tsukasa | RX-34_2008_SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:55 |
| tsukasa | is what im using | 00:55 |
| Atarii | what does --query-root-device do? | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: get lftp package | 00:55 |
| zakkkm_n770 | tsukasa: is 2007 any good? | 00:55 |
| zakkkm_n770 | im about to install it | 00:55 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: in a second | 00:55 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i went from 2006 to 2008 and now to 2007 .. | 00:55 |
| AStorm | now getting sshfs to work | 00:55 |
| tsukasa | zakkkm_n770, havent played with it much | 00:56 |
| tsukasa | i want 2008 | 00:56 |
| zakkkm_n770 | your love it :D | 00:56 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i love it .. but its too slow on the nokia 770 | 00:56 |
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| AStorm | needed an ld.so.conf tweak :) | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, let's download xp sp3 | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:59 |
| tsukasa | ew xp | 00:59 |
| AStorm | lol | 00:59 |
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| Atarii | ok so i may have forcefully removed some help packages i shouldnt have. Is there anyway to get them back? or just a reflash? | 01:00 |
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| KotCzarny | atarii: reinstall | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | i mean the packages | 01:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | hey just curious | 01:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | damn small linux .. is a 50mb linux distro right | 01:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | can i run it on maemo ?:P | 01:00 |
| AStorm | sshfs sure is eating cpu | 01:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i mean my nokia | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | for routers | 01:00 |
| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: no | 01:01 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i mean if i recompile for ARM ? | 01:01 |
| AStorm | it's not built for ARM | 01:01 |
| AStorm | zakkkm_n770: that's not trivial | 01:01 |
| zakkkm_n770 | :( | 01:01 |
| zakkkm_n770 | but if it was compiled for ARM would it work? | 01:02 |
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| AStorm | somewhat | 01:02 |
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| AStorm | it'd need adaptations | 01:02 |
| AStorm | like dsme and bme | 01:02 |
| AStorm | and some wifi driver work :P | 01:03 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Das_Wimmin.jpg european women ++ | 01:03 |
| Mousey | they're fat? | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | they dont look at you? | 01:04 |
| Mousey | i hope they're not too smart | 01:05 |
| Atarii | is there a UFO behinf that tree? :S | 01:05 |
| Atarii | behind* | 01:05 |
| Mousey | http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Smarter_Women_Have_Worse_Sex | 01:06 |
| pupnik | you mean the streetlamp? | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | Atarii: no, a terrier in a red outfit | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | it's all in the brain | 01:06 |
| Atarii | no at the very top of teh tree | 01:06 |
| Mousey | that's not a space heater? | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | and some friction too, but it's all in the brain | 01:06 |
| lcuk | pupnik, no, at the very top - look to left of lamppost and up | 01:06 |
| * sp3000 doesn't want friction on his brain | 01:07 | |
| Mousey | HA! | 01:07 |
| Mousey | how'd that get u there?! | 01:07 |
| pupnik | the red thing? dunno - something caught in the tree | 01:07 |
| Mousey | looks like a traffic cone | 01:07 |
| Atarii | looks kinda like a wizards hat | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | must be windy | 01:07 |
| lcuk | kids rainbow balloon | 01:07 |
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| pupnik | you guys are sad to not be appreciatin the sharp dressed woman | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | or birds | 01:07 |
| lcuk | pup, shes looking away and fully dressed | 01:08 |
| lcuk | we need something to focus on ;) | 01:08 |
| Atarii | lol | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | no face | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have any proof it IS a woman | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:08 |
| pupnik | yeah but hair | 01:08 |
| Mousey | it's a traffic cone! | 01:08 |
| pupnik | lol | 01:08 |
| lcuk | and a frikkin winter coat :P | 01:08 |
| Mousey | she's looking at it too i bet | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 01:08 |
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| KotCzarny | want me to find pics of men that looks like a women? | 01:09 |
| Mousey | do traffic cones in trees very often in europe? it's very odd to see one randomly up there | 01:09 |
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| Mousey | KotCzarny: rule 34 | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | with hair and coats? | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: cone | 01:09 |
| Atarii | hmm why is that one repo disabled by default for 2008he? | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | because it contains not nokia approved software | 01:10 |
| Atarii | thats annoying, because it means that backup cant re-download the packages automatically | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | i think there's a bug filled for that | 01:11 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: testing lftp now | 01:14 |
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| AStorm | works fine :) | 01:15 |
| AStorm | excellent | 01:16 |
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| Atarii | can you use script to automate ftp transfer with lftp> | 01:18 |
| Atarii | ?* | 01:18 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:19 |
| AStorm | but it has mirroring built in | 01:19 |
| AStorm | and wildcards | 01:19 |
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| AStorm | where do I get ogg-support 0.7? | 01:21 |
| AStorm | for new lms-ogg | 01:21 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | is it possible to get 2008HE image viwer in 2007HE ? | 01:24 |
| zakkkm_n770 | the default one | 01:24 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i really liked it :( | 01:24 |
| zakkkm_n770 | the fullscren .. left and right arrows and all | 01:25 |
| AStorm | get canola and forget about that | 01:25 |
| AStorm | :P | 01:25 |
| zakkkm_n770 | canola on the 2007HE? | 01:25 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | is there? 2007 HE? | 01:27 |
| zakkkm_n770 | canola on it? | 01:27 |
| AStorm | should be a package | 01:27 |
| zakkkm_n770 | from repo ? or net? | 01:27 |
| AStorm | the one for OS2007 might work | 01:27 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:28 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | dang someone wants me to do something | 01:28 |
| zakkkm_n770 | ill check later | 01:28 |
| zakkkm_n770 | thanks | 01:28 |
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| AStorm | ok, more win coming | 01:29 |
| AStorm | ogg-support 0.7 and real lms support | 01:29 |
| AStorm | and no libvorbis0a | 01:29 |
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| KotCzarny | argh. | 01:48 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | gi tract sensations | 01:48 |
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| AStorm | yay, on antibiotics? | 01:49 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 01:49 |
| AStorm | flu? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 01:49 |
| AStorm | hehe | 01:50 |
| AStorm | deadly E. Coli variant ;) | 01:50 |
| AStorm | messy death | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | you bet not | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | who would compile packages for you then :P | 01:50 |
| AStorm | myself, but later | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | wishful thinking | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| AStorm | but I wish you that *NOT* | 01:51 |
| AStorm | heh, why? :P | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | seeing that you still haven't installed it | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: soon, in the long weekend | 01:53 |
| AStorm | btw | 01:53 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157:H7 | 01:54 |
| AStorm | :P | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | repo will be down then :P | 01:54 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: naah | 01:55 |
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| AStorm | they're not that deadly | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | happened before | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | can happen again | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:56 |
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| AStorm | need to write canola xchat irc spam script | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:02 |
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| AStorm | United Abominations++ | 02:03 |
| zakkkm_n770 | where would i find the repo list and url's for 2007HE? | 02:03 |
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| AStorm | might be hard | 02:05 |
| zakkkm_n770 | ? | 02:08 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | whats minimo 0.2 ? | 02:15 |
| * smackpotato googles minimo | 02:16 | |
| smackpotato | i remember now | 02:16 |
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| smackpotato | it was a browser some brasillian guy put together. it worked good but didn't download files | 02:17 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i dont downlaod on it? | 02:18 |
| zakkkm_n770 | would it be better than the default then? | 02:18 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i dont download on browser | 02:18 |
| zakkkm_n770 | just surf | 02:18 |
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| woodwizzle | i am now booting from the internal memory card, however .. the tutorial i used told me to make a 400mb VFAT partition which isn't used. :( Why did I need to do that? Also how do I set up virtual memory now, the virtual memory tab doesn't think I have an internal memory card so it won't let me make virtual memory | 02:18 |
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| smackpotato | its kind ofv fun to check these thing ouut | 02:19 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i know i been doing that for days | 02:19 |
| zakkkm_n770 | random stuff on the nokia | 02:19 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | but now i really have to make it uhmm well stable in a way | 02:19 |
| zakkkm_n770 | and stick to it | 02:19 |
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| smackpotato | make sure u have the latest os | 02:21 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i have 2007HE | 02:23 |
| woodwizzle | i don't wanna haev a unused partition if its not needed. I could fit a lot of mp3s in those 400megabytes | 02:24 |
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| smackpotato | zakkmm this script prevents some crashes but also slows things down | 02:25 |
| smackpotato | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seatbelt/ | 02:25 |
| woodwizzle | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/ is the part of the tutorial I ran that told me to mk the vfat partition. Anyone know if it was necessary? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | but useful | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:27 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: useful for what? | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | some apps are hardcoded for using it | 02:27 |
| woodwizzle | ah | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | and windows compatibility | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:28 |
| woodwizzle | i don't run windows | 02:28 |
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| woodwizzle | i might not run those apps too =) | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | then it doesn't matter | 02:28 |
| woodwizzle | do you know what apps require it? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:29 |
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| lcdd | app manager in os2008 uses the card for apt cache by default | 02:31 |
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| lcdd | probably previous versions do as well | 02:31 |
| woodwizzle | ah | 02:32 |
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| woodwizzle | :( that makes me unhappy because i use the app manager | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | it should work though | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | because you will have enough space | 02:34 |
| woodwizzle | oh good | 02:34 |
| woodwizzle | I'm sold | 02:34 |
| woodwizzle | gotta repartition and flash though :( | 02:34 |
| woodwizzle | thanks! | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise one wouldn't be able to install anything on n800 without any card :) | 02:34 |
| lcdd | i noticed that maemo mapper hogs memory when tracking is enabled which probably crashes it in the end | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | oom is ruthless | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:36 |
| KotCzarny | oom-killer | 02:36 |
| lcdd | two hours worth of data took around 40MB of memory iirc | 02:36 |
| woodwizzle | what about setting the virtual memory? | 02:37 |
| woodwizzle | do I have to do it with something like swapon from the terminal? | 02:37 |
| pupnik | swap on | 02:40 |
| pupnik | swap off | 02:40 |
| pupnik | swap on swap off... | 02:40 |
| pupnik | the swapper | 02:40 |
| woodwizzle | the swapper | 02:40 |
| pupnik | :) | 02:40 |
| woodwizzle | can I maybe make the VFAT partition I'm not using into a linux swap partition? | 02:41 |
| woodwizzle | so I don't have to reflash and start over? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | i do not understand | 02:41 |
| woodwizzle | solve 2 birds with 1 stone | 02:41 |
| pupnik | you can reformat a vfat into an ext2 or other partition | 02:42 |
| woodwizzle | pupnik: right, but I want to set it up as virtual memory | 02:42 |
| lcdd | swap file works just fine | 02:43 |
| pupnik | yes what is advantage over swap file | 02:43 |
| woodwizzle | I can't make a swap file! | 02:43 |
| woodwizzle | the virtual memory tab says that I don't have an internal memory card | 02:44 |
| woodwizzle | because I'm running my OS from that memory card | 02:44 |
| pupnik | i have a 770 that boots from memory card, and i think it worked with swap | 02:44 |
| woodwizzle | so what I want to do... is make my currently unused 512mb vfat partition, the area that my swap file would be in | 02:45 |
| woodwizzle | well i have an n800 and its not | 02:45 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | hi .. i installed canola2 through app manager along with youtube plugin .. on 2007HE .. and when i run canola2 it says its loading .. then nothing happens | 03:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | its been over 5 minutes | 03:00 |
| zakkkm_n770 | when i run in xterm i get "illegal instruction" | 03:03 |
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| adam__ | if you are running the os from the internal mmc card. can you use another partition on the card for swap? and not have to use swapon and off everytime you boot the device. I have the n800 running 2008OS | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | just modify startup scripts | 03:39 |
| adam__ | KotCzarny: is there a tutorial that lays some of that basics of that out? | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | erm, don't know | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | i just use linux everyday | 03:40 |
| woodwizzle | is there a hard limit to the size of swap you can set? | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | probably some gb/tb | 03:41 |
| woodwizzle | Ah, so its not capped at 128mb | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's only a gui | 03:42 |
| woodwizzle | I figured | 03:42 |
| ds3 | depends, if they are using tools to force the old swap format, then it is cap'ed at 128M per swap partition/file | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: i think i just used mkswap on some file and it worked | 03:42 |
| woodwizzle | I still have that 512mb vfat partition. Can I set it as a swap partition the same way I do in linux? or do I just need to make a swap file that fills it up? | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: try it | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:43 |
| ds3 | KotCzarny: the old mkswap created old formats that supported 128M max... | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | but i don't know if it listens to /etc/fstab in that matter | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: let me check then | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| ds3 | the current one can create legacy swap file/partitions too: | 03:44 |
| ds3 | -v0 Create an old style swap area. | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | mkswap swapfile2 | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 268431361 bytes | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | what's the advantage of using v0 ? | 03:47 |
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| ds3 | I think (guessing) it uses less resources | 03:48 |
| woodwizzle | would it be smart to change the vfat partition to type 82 fist? | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: doesn't matter | 03:48 |
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| tsukasa | hey all | 03:49 |
| ds3 | wouldn't hurt... might be good for your sanity in the long run | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | may help you to remember you have reformatted it though | 03:49 |
| tsukasa | im looking for a program that will allow itunes-like auto syncing of vlogs | 03:49 |
| tsukasa | i checked out canola but it only sort of does that for podcasts | 03:50 |
| tsukasa | not video | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | is there a way to safely disable maemo-launcher ? | 03:51 |
| woodwizzle | if I run sfdisk again though will it wipe out my other partitions? Or can I use it to just edit the type of the vfat partition? (i've never used sfdisk before, I know this is possible in regular fdisk) | 03:51 |
| woodwizzle | oh i think i see how | 03:53 |
| woodwizzle | cool! | 03:53 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, stopping maemo-launcher isn't safe :) | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | truly | 03:57 |
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| KotCzarny | i have disable --booster gtk | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | memory usage went down 30mb | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | and i can't see difference in time when starting gtk apps | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | *disabled | 03:58 |
| woodwizzle | hmm... my initfs boot loader is no longer asking me where I want to boot from :( I need to boot from the internal memory again so I can run sfdisk on the internal mmc | 04:00 |
| woodwizzle | oh wait I got it | 04:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, yeah, disabling gtk booster seems worth it | 04:04 |
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| KotCzarny | now if i could w | 04:07 |
| lcdd | KotCzarny: is that a single line edit somewhere? | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd, yes | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher | 04:08 |
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| KotCzarny | i have removed --booster gtk from the script | 04:08 |
| lcdd | there's bound to be benefits by using the memory for apps that actually need it | 04:11 |
| lcdd | thanks | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | i could bear with 1-2 sec longer loading time, and having more memory later available :) | 04:11 |
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| adam__ | is there something you have to press on the n800 to open the bootloader | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | you have to flash modified initfs | 04:16 |
| adam__ | when you start the system | 04:16 |
| adam__ | ive already flashed it and got the modified initfs | 04:17 |
| adam__ | i just cannot get into the bootloader to book from the device | 04:17 |
| adam__ | I was just wondering if there was a curtain button on the nokia that i had to hit or hold to open up the bootloader | 04:18 |
| woodwizzle | I think it just needs to be unplugged | 04:21 |
| tsukasa | why does youtube lag so much on my n800? | 04:25 |
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| woodwizzle | tsukasa: the hardware chip is not optimized for video, it can't update just parts of the screen, has to update the whole screen every frame | 04:35 |
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| zakmmm | is there a reason ssh is taking forever to install on my nokia 770? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:36 |
| zakmmm | openssh* | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | generating keys | 04:36 |
| zakmmm | so if i want to connect to my home pc .. frm my nokia | 04:36 |
| zakmmm | i install openssh + openssh client on my nokia? | 04:36 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Ok, I have a swap partition, ran mkswap on it, and edited my fstab file so that should be automounted as swap. However after rebooting and running free it says I have no swap space :( | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, fstab is ignored | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | so you have to modify scripts | 04:37 |
| woodwizzle | oh i missed that, my bad | 04:37 |
| zakmmm | user@192.168.1.2's password: .. do i enter my pc pw or my nokia's password i did when i setted up openssh? | 04:39 |
| zakmmm | 192.168.1.2 is my pc ip | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | then it's user@pc pass | 04:40 |
| zakmmm | im running damn small livecd? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | how do i know? | 04:40 |
| zakmmm | ahh.. how would i know the password? | 04:40 |
| zakmmm | its a livecd? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | i have never used it? | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:41 |
| zakmmm | never used ssh? | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | read the docs about default pass on that livecd | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | or try ssh root@192.168.1.2 | 04:41 |
| zakmmm | ah i had to set | 04:42 |
| zakmmm | IM IN :D | 04:43 |
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| KotCzarny | have fun | 04:43 |
| zakmmm | now to try to show my pc desktop on it | 04:44 |
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| zakmmm | wow its cool :D | 04:51 |
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| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Hmm, i've been able to make a script (using the first reply at http://dillernet.com/apple/2005/12/27/making-swap/) that activates my swap, but I have yet to get it to run at boot. I tried putting it in /etc/init.d and softlinking to it as /etc/rc2.d/S27mmcswap.sh | 05:07 |
| woodwizzle | the paths they give me seem to be for the 770, i think thats my problem but I could be way off | 05:08 |
| zakmmm | if i ssh .. to a linux pc and do mplayer song.mp3 | 05:08 |
| zakmmm | how can i get it to come out of my nokia speakers? | 05:08 |
| zakmmm | it shows its playing fine.. but no sound? | 05:08 |
| woodwizzle | that command would play it on the pc since you're running the command from the pc | 05:08 |
| zakmmm | isnt there a way to send it over? | 05:09 |
| woodwizzle | there is, but not like that. I would suggest looking into mpd | 05:09 |
| zakmmm | :( | 05:09 |
| zakmmm | ill wnat arch for that | 05:09 |
| zakmmm | not damn small ;p | 05:09 |
| zakmmm | is there some mplayer flag to get it to send to nokia? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you just export files of your pc somehow | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | for example via http | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | then you can play them using playlist consisiting of http links | 05:11 |
| zakmmm | make a small web server? | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | but then ill need to port forward | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | another way is to mount pc filesystem using sshfs | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | wait | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | i can add a playlist of html links? | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | is sshfs hard? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | for me it's basic | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | lol | 05:12 |
| zakmmm | could you teach me real quickly? | 05:13 |
| zakmmm | im great at directions ;p | 05:13 |
| zakmmm | i got ssh going on my own? how much harder can sshfs with help be? | 05:13 |
| woodwizzle | it takes a little getting used to | 05:13 |
| woodwizzle | i'm still getting used to it =) | 05:13 |
| zakmmm | ah comeonnn :D | 05:13 |
| zakmmm | it can be the final thing for today | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | zakmm, just google.. huh :) | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | there is a fuse sshfs package | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | but you will have to figure out what to do with it | 05:14 |
| zakmmm | im on 2007HE .. would that work? | 05:14 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | probably not | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | different kernel, libs | 05:14 |
| zakmmm | lol :P | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | try looking for os2007 fuse and sshfs | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | maybe someone packaged it | 05:15 |
| zakmmm | anyways | 05:15 |
| zakmmm | how do i do the filelist of http ? | 05:15 |
| zakmmm | playlist of http? | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | echo "http1" >> list | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | echo "http2" >> list | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | etc | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | then mplayer -playlist list | 05:15 |
| zakmmm | k let me try :D | 05:16 |
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| zakmmm | mplayer -playlist list gives me illegal instruction error | 05:23 |
| zakmmm | same with canola? | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | then you have to find mplayer compiled for 770 | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | it has different processor | 05:24 |
| zakmmm | it was in the 770 repos? | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:24 |
| zakmmm | i got from that grov/it site? | 05:24 |
| zakmmm | under the repo part | 05:24 |
| zakmmm | and added some | 05:24 |
| zakmmm | and it was in there with canola | 05:24 |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Do you know how to make a script run at boot? | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle, just as you described | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget to chmod +x it too | 05:26 |
| woodwizzle | I did, but its not running at boot, free still says 0 for swap | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | running it by hand works? | 05:28 |
| woodwizzle | yup | 05:28 |
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| KotCzarny | also remember if it's file on fs then fs needs to be mounted first | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | which won't happen so early in scripts | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | maybe try S99-local :) | 05:28 |
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| woodwizzle | whats the -local do? | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | just information | 05:31 |
| woodwizzle | so save it as S99-local-mmcswap.sh? | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | should do | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bbl | 05:32 |
| * woodwizzle crosses fingers | 05:32 | |
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| woodwizzle | SWEET!!!! | 05:36 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | how come when i do a internet call on my nokia 770 on 2007HE. over google talk my friend can hear me but i cant hear him .. then when i do it on my pc i can hear him just fine? | 05:57 |
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| Navi | O_o | 06:00 |
| Navi | I can't even internet call to a PC | 06:00 |
| Navi | well, over google talk | 06:00 |
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| zakkkm_n770 | ? | 06:04 |
| zakkkm_n770 | no i did internet call .. me on nokia.. friend on pc | 06:04 |
| zakkkm_n770 | he can hear me i cant hear him | 06:04 |
| zakkkm_n770 | but i did it on pc.. and i can hear him he can hear me ? | 06:04 |
| zakkkm_n770 | like my nokia is on mute? but it isnt? | 06:04 |
| zakkkm_n770 | missing a codec im thinking? | 06:04 |
| Navi | What did you use to make an internet call? | 06:05 |
| zakkkm_n770 | google talk | 06:05 |
| Navi | Yeah, I can't even connect to do an internet call from tablet to PC :P | 06:06 |
| zakkkm_n770 | n/m | 06:06 |
| zakkkm_n770 | recalled it worked | 06:06 |
| zakkkm_n770 | Navi: so wicked :D | 06:07 |
| zakkkm_n770 | why cant you connect? | 06:07 |
| zakkkm_n770 | dont you have a google account? | 06:07 |
| zakkkm_n770 | i connect ed to my google account? | 06:07 |
| Navi | I have one, my brother has one | 06:07 |
| zakkkm_n770 | so add that ? | 06:07 |
| Navi | :/ | 06:08 |
| zakkkm_n770 | ? | 06:08 |
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| Navi | Looks normal in FF3 for me | 06:28 |
| Navi | b5 | 06:28 |
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| woodwizzle | When I boot from a mmc I always get a message at bootup saying "memory card corrupted or not formatted" | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | that's because you didn't left vfat partition | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | just ignore it | 06:46 |
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| woodwizzle | there is no way to disable it? | 06:50 |
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| KotCzarny | create small cfat partition | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | vfat | 06:51 |
| woodwizzle | gaaaaahhh | 06:51 |
| woodwizzle | oh well, next time I wanna redo this I suppose I will | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | maybe editing some script could help too | 06:52 |
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| _V_ | re | 08:11 |
| _V_ | what about 'transcend' as a SD brand ? | 08:11 |
| _V_ | is ok for n800 ? | 08:12 |
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| ralann | _V_: i have used them for other SDHC devices and been very happy with them | 08:32 |
| ralann | no nokia devices though | 08:33 |
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| RST38h | FLORENCE, S.C. (AP) Federal authorities say a South Carolina teen accused of plotting to blow up his high school told police that he wanted to die, go to heaven and kill Jesus. | 08:51 |
| RST38h | No, *that* is a plan. | 08:51 |
| jaska | indeed | 08:52 |
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| KotCzarny | why can't they kill themselves in some quiet way | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | what happened to drug poisoning? | 08:54 |
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| jaska | he wanted to finish the level and kill the boss monster | 08:56 |
| RST38h | Kot: Well, he did try to kill himself by banging his head on the wall | 08:57 |
| n800n | is there a way to eq the sound in canola? | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | n800n: pcm or mp3 ? | 08:57 |
| n800n | mp3 | 08:57 |
| RST38h | But that didn't work, so he came up with the Master plan | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | depends on decoder/player then | 08:57 |
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| n800n | no biggy | 08:58 |
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| n800n | what's a good calendar/organizer? | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | i use .txt file | 08:59 |
| n800n | i use binary | 08:59 |
| RST38h | i use a piece of paper | 09:00 |
| n800n | i remember trying one awhile ago off maemo.org | 09:01 |
| n800n | but really slow | 09:01 |
| n800n | some gnu thing i think | 09:01 |
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| lopz | night | 09:10 |
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| RST38h | "Obama seeking to divorce himself from former pastor" | 09:13 |
| RST38h | (who is coming up with these headlines?) | 09:13 |
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| qwerty12 | :/. My N800's RSS reader says "Obama strongly denounces former pastor". More tasteful, I'd say | 09:18 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Just point to AP RSS feed... ;) | 09:38 |
| RST38h | s/point/point it/ | 09:38 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: qwerty: Just point it to AP RSS feed... ;) | 09:38 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 09:39 |
| pupnik_ | The US govt renamed 'labor day' to 'LAW DAY' | 09:44 |
| pupnik_ | Respect mah authoritah! :) | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | seriously? | 09:45 |
| pupnik_ | "The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away." | 09:45 |
| pupnik_ | 'But that's impossible. How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?' "The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line." | 09:45 |
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| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/Iraq_and_the_Empire.jpg | 09:46 |
| pupnik_ | Respect mah authoritah! :) | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Any good hex editors for Linux? | 09:54 |
| Grackle | Is it possible to make a flashable backup of my IT? | 09:54 |
| Grackle | I would hate to have to redo everything I've done with it so far. | 09:54 |
| Grackle | Redo everything if I break it, that is, which is likely. | 09:55 |
| * Grackle is fooling around with things he probably shouldn't | 09:55 | |
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| pupnik_ | apt-cache search hex |grep -i edit ? | 10:00 |
| pupnik_ | i forgot the last one i used | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit ? | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I gtg. Probably end up booting into windows to hex edit a linux prog :P | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | Bye. | 10:01 |
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| Grackle | haha pupnik_, sure.. | 10:57 |
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| Grackle | Haha, oh, I thought you were answering /my/ question. | 10:58 |
| Grackle | No wonder I found the answer amusing :P | 10:58 |
| pupnik_ | Grackle: you can if you transfer the system to a MMC partition and install a multi-boot loader | 10:59 |
| pupnik_ | then you can boot to internal flash, backup your system on SD, then boot back to the SD system | 11:00 |
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| Grackle | Ah yes, that's not a bad idea. | 11:00 |
| Grackle | Also nice, considering I recently acquired a 1GB MMC. | 11:01 |
| pupnik | I did it on the 770 but then just stopped breaking the system. | 11:02 |
| pupnik | So i don't use the feature | 11:02 |
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| KotCzarny | how do i love hacking at config file | 11:02 |
| pupnik | will you count the ways? | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | and seeing it doesn't work | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | and then realizing app wasn't using it at all | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:03 |
| pupnik | heh done that too | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | good thing there is strace :) | 11:03 |
| tsukasa | the n800s screen size gives me a headache | 11:04 |
| tsukasa | my desktop has dual 24" | 11:04 |
| tsukasa | so the 4" is like... yeah | 11:04 |
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| Grackle | Yeah, I'm sitting at a pair of 20" LCDs. The N800 is indeed small. :P | 11:05 |
| tsukasa | i kind of understand the iphone now... a good interface is needed on small screens | 11:07 |
| Grackle | yeah :| | 11:07 |
| Grackle | With better software, the IT could be completely usable with just fingers. | 11:08 |
| nomis | does anyone know linux software for reading 2D barcodes from images? | 11:08 |
| tsukasa | yeah but it has a ways to go | 11:08 |
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| Grackle | Mhmm. | 11:09 |
| Grackle | I hope Nokia keeps updating the N800 OS. | 11:09 |
| X-Fade_ | Grackle: Diablo will run on N800 too.. | 11:10 |
| tsukasa | the one thing that really bugs me about the setup is how the contacts app uses sip and isnt compatible with skype at all | 11:10 |
| Grackle | That's good, X-Fade_. | 11:10 |
| tsukasa | + its not even vcard specd | 11:10 |
| Grackle | vcard? | 11:11 |
| tsukasa | i mean wth thats so easy to comply with | 11:11 |
| tsukasa | a standard for contacts | 11:11 |
| Grackle | oh | 11:11 |
| tsukasa | the standard | 11:11 |
| Grackle | Yes, I would like it if the internet phone unctions were better designed. | 11:12 |
| Grackle | Like, how about landscape mode bigass keypad with a couple tabs at the top to switch to the contacts list or something | 11:12 |
| tsukasa | what graphics toolkit is maemo on? | 11:13 |
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| tsukasa | or actual draggable windows | 11:13 |
| Grackle | Yes, that would be nice, too. | 11:13 |
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| woodwizzle | sfdisk can't do partition resizing can it? | 11:13 |
| Grackle | Not just draggable windows, but also *less* windows. | 11:14 |
| Grackle | Too many dialogs. | 11:14 |
| tsukasa | christ, this is a linux os. why the hell arent there windows | 11:14 |
| Grackle | no woodwizzle | 11:14 |
| Grackle | well | 11:14 |
| Grackle | It can resize *partitions* | 11:14 |
| Grackle | but not filesystems | 11:14 |
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| mourad | hello all, I would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0 but i can't find the library "libxslt" to use it, how can i proceed ? | 11:17 |
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| Grackle | apt-cache search libxslt shows nothing? | 11:21 |
| Ian01 | is there such a thing as a linux cell phone, sold in the usa, that can be freely programmed? or is the nokia tablet the closest thing? | 11:22 |
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| * Grackle has a libxslt | 11:23 | |
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| Grackle | Ian01: hmm, I don't know about any off-the-shelf linux phones, but the openmoko might interest you | 11:24 |
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| mourad | Grackle: with apt-cache search i can't find just "libxml" | 11:26 |
| Veggen | mourad: do you have the maemo extras repository enabled? | 11:28 |
| Veggen | according to http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php it should be there. | 11:29 |
| Grackle | Interesting. I have libxml and libxslt. I'm not sure which repo it's in. I have the maemo extras repository enabled, as well as scratchbox's repository. | 11:29 |
| mourad | i will verif | 11:29 |
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| mourad | yes i enabled the extra repository and i find the "libxslt" library and i installed it , but how can i use it with python | 11:38 |
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| woodwizzle | Grackle: What if I put my internal mmc into a usb reader. Plug it into my ubuntu machine, and run Gparted on it? | 11:43 |
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| Grackle | That might work. I'm not sure if gparted can resize vfat partitions, but it's worth a shot. | 11:44 |
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| Grackle | I'd be kinda surprised if it couldn't. | 11:45 |
| woodwizzle | Grackle: I don't have a vfat partition, just a swap and a ext2 | 11:45 |
| mourad | Grackle : thanks for all | 11:45 |
| Grackle | np | 11:46 |
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| Grackle | woodwizzle: oh, yeah, I would be *very* surprised if gparted couldn't handle that | 11:46 |
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| woodwizzle | When I boot up I get an error saying "memory card is currpted or not formatted" I think thats because the first partition is not VFAT | 11:46 |
| woodwizzle | so I'm plan on using gparted to add a little one up front. I'd have to move the swap partiton to the end too since only partition 2 is bootable | 11:47 |
| Grackle | I guess that's worth a shot. Back up anything important first.. | 11:48 |
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| woodwizzle | How big should I make the swap partition? | 11:59 |
| woodwizzle | I was using 512 and the only thing I tested it out on was youtube videos under canola | 11:59 |
| woodwizzle | and they played much better than with 128mb of virtual memory. I'm willing to go up to a gig, but would I get any benefit from that? | 12:00 |
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| Grackle | o_O woodwizzle | 12:01 |
| Grackle | That is... a lot of virtual memory. | 12:01 |
| Grackle | If you are swapping, your device will slow down severely. | 12:01 |
| Grackle | So... I hope you're not routinely swapping out more than even 32MB of RAM | 12:02 |
| woodwizzle | Yeah but it can help. I can't play youtube vids without it | 12:02 |
| woodwizzle | 512mb is prolly enough ;) | 12:02 |
| Grackle | Well, if you're seeing improvements, sure. | 12:02 |
| Grackle | 512 should be plenty bigger than any flash video you'll find online | 12:03 |
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| mourad | also with the "libxslt", i would use this library with python in maemo , but i can't .when doing the "import libxslt" in python command line , it apear an error | 12:26 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:01 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 13:01 |
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| jnrz | figured this is the best place to start...I don't know Maemo or programming, but am looking for someone to hire | 13:03 |
| jnrz | Any one out there interested in working on a project in Hawaii? | 13:03 |
| jnrz | is anyone out there? | 13:04 |
| lardman | doing what? | 13:04 |
| jnrz | developing an interface for the Nokia 810 | 13:04 |
| jnrz | and specific aps | 13:05 |
| jnrz | all for the Nokia 810 | 13:05 |
| lardman | sounds interesting, you should also try advertising on ITT | 13:05 |
| lardman | ~itt | 13:05 |
| jnrz | ITT? | 13:05 |
| lardman | hmm, that didn't work too well | 13:05 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 13:06 |
| jnrz | I'm new to this, | 13:06 |
| jnrz | thanks for the advice... | 13:06 |
| jnrz | lardman....what do you do? | 13:06 |
| lardman | I'm a post-doc at university | 13:07 |
| jnrz | are you proficient at maemo...linux or other programming? | 13:07 |
| lardman | I'm also not espiecially au-fait with GUI programming | 13:07 |
| lardman | Linux, more low-level stuff, dsp for example | 13:08 |
| jnrz | are you in the states? | 13:08 |
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| jnrz | or over seas? | 13:08 |
| lardman | no, UK, so quite a long way away | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Watch Little Britain to find out about this tiny country :p | 13:09 |
| lardman | we are quite dense though; in population terms | 13:09 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Very true :) | 13:10 |
| jnrz | my email is jnrzf@hotmail.com If things go well on this project, and if you are interested, I may need some help | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | I hate the journey going to Manchester and Halifax so I'm glad it isn't massive :P. But anyway. | 13:10 |
| lardman | jnrz: I'd be interested to hear what you're planning anyway, I'll drop you a line | 13:11 |
| jnrz | If I find the right programmer, it would mean a trip to Hawaii | 13:11 |
| jnrz | and some money in the pocket | 13:11 |
| jnrz | Thanks for the info...I'll head out to the site you recommended... | 13:12 |
| jnrz | Aloha | 13:12 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | I wish someone packaged the boost libraries. | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | good morning | 13:15 |
| qwerty12 | Sigh. Now sourceforge is down. | 13:16 |
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| hrw | qwerty12: boost.. argh | 13:20 |
| qwerty12 | Yep :(. But quite a few progs require them now :( | 13:20 |
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| CrashandDie | qwerty12: the boost package don't appear to be very hard to port | 14:09 |
| hrw | it is real pita when it comes to crosscompile | 14:10 |
| CrashandDie | hmm | 14:13 |
| CrashandDie | I wonder | 14:13 |
| RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY | 14:17 |
| pupnik | something not going well RST38h ? | 14:20 |
| RST38h | the opposite | 14:20 |
| RST38h | just found and patched a bug, or so it look | 14:21 |
| RST38h | s | 14:21 |
| pupnik | nice | 14:22 |
| pupnik | Any idea what causes the rendering / scaler bug on tony hawk? | 14:25 |
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| pupnik | on vgba | 14:26 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Hi | 14:27 |
| Khertan_TheReal | libglade will make me Crazy ! | 14:29 |
| acydlord | i am having a horrible time trying to sleep lately | 14:29 |
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| * pupnik810 testing new improved vgba | 14:47 | |
| lardman | Anyone know where people are staying at LinuxTag? | 14:48 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: Art'otel in my case. | 14:50 |
| pupnik810 | X-Fade_, is there a way to demo tablet stuff on beamer? | 14:51 |
| lardman | ~lart weak pound against the euro | 14:51 |
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| X-Fade_ | pupnik810: I have no idea, I don't know what equipment is available. | 14:51 |
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| pupnik810 | id like to have a HD cam pointed at tablet and control tablet via synergy | 14:53 |
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| pupnik810 | most ppl can just demo maemo stuff on a laptop | 14:53 |
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| X-Fade_ | pupnik810: Cam connected to laptop can be an option? :) | 14:55 |
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| pupnik810 | not a big deal | 14:56 |
| pupnik810 | ill try my cheapo cam right now | 14:57 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: What does it look like? | 15:08 |
| RST38h | And which tony Hawk version? 1/2/3/4? | 15:08 |
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| dneary | hi | 15:20 |
| florian | hi dneary | 15:21 |
| dneary | hi florian | 15:21 |
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| pupnik810 | RST38h, the skater looked like a piece of flat paper getting stretched and rotated. dunno version. sry. just tested and deleted | 15:34 |
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| pupnik810 | grah. want voice recognition for xchat | 15:34 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Just checked 3 different Tony Hawks I have on PC, none have this problem | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | So it is either Tony Hawk 1 that I do not have, or a bug with rotation field that occurs in the arm-on-arm emulation core | 15:39 |
| RST38h | Residents on the Greek island of Lesbos have declared that they alone have the right to call themselves lesbians, and yesterday launched a legal action against the Greek Gay and Lesbian Union (Olke) designed to wrest back control of the word from aficionados of Sapphic luuurv. | 15:42 |
| RST38h | Umgh. | 15:42 |
| pupnik810 | hahaha | 15:45 |
| pupnik810 | ok if i see it again i will post better info. cheers RST | 15:46 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | rahhh hhhhh !!!!!!! http://www.imagegenerator.net/image/89838/GTK-implementation-Suck-.jpg | 16:06 |
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| penguinbait | is ITT down? | 17:04 |
| qwerty12 | Not for me | 17:04 |
| qwerty12 | Benson just replied 0 mins ago | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | it's up | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | has anyone tried to make itt administration change that hideous style file they have? | 17:05 |
| RST38h | it is a shame to wait for 40 seconds for a tablet to render tablet-oriented site webpage | 17:06 |
| penguinbait | I can get everywhere but ITT | 17:06 |
| penguinbait | wierd | 17:06 |
| RST38h | [and even firefox on xp takes a few seconds to render it] | 17:06 |
| penguinbait | I've been banned :( | 17:06 |
| qwerty12 | itt administration = Reggie. Lots of people have complained about the load times and cpu usage on the tablets but nothing has happened. Best bet is to get Benson's userContent.css tweaks and use classic skin. | 17:06 |
| penguinbait | I am on a big box, and its just not there, nada nothing | 17:07 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, reboot router and comp :/ | 17:07 |
| qwerty12 | or try flushing dns cache | 17:07 |
| RST38h | penguinbait: I am sure it is for your own good =) | 17:07 |
| penguinbait | freaking bullseye telecom SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! | 17:07 |
| RST38h | to cure you of unhealthy obsession and stuff :) | 17:07 |
| RST38h | http://top.rbc.ru/wildworld/30/04/2008/162354.shtml | 17:08 |
| RST38h | shit, wrong button | 17:08 |
| penguinbait | I tried to cancel my contract, sorry can only do that once a year, and it was last month. You can cancel but onwe 90% of contract | 17:08 |
| penguinbait | holy fraking scam | 17:08 |
| penguinbait | freaking | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Hehe, when I want to "cancel a contract" here, I just stop paying :) | 17:09 |
| penguinbait | Its somehting my boss signed | 17:09 |
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| penguinbait | freaking idiots | 17:09 |
| qwerty12 | hold your boss to ransom :p | 17:09 |
| RST38h | hey, are you at work? | 17:09 |
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| penguinbait | yes, I am at work | 17:09 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Maybe the administrator IS blocking ITT on purpose? | 17:10 |
| penguinbait | I am the administrator | 17:10 |
| penguinbait | so I am guessing no | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Maybe YOU ARE blocking ITT on purpose? ;) | 17:10 |
| penguinbait | Its my wife, I just know it | 17:10 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Should have told her that password last night... | 17:11 |
| pupnik | wow, original chrono trigger for SNES 100 euro on ebay | 17:11 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, does ip work for you: 74.86.202.247 ? I tried it, it works but it redirects me to worded address :? | 17:12 |
| qwerty12 | s/:?/:/ | 17:12 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: penguinbait, does ip work for you: 74.86.202.247 ? I tried it, it works but it redirects me to worded address : | 17:12 |
| qwerty12 | no i didn't. | 17:12 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Thanks, I will take a rom file instead... | 17:13 |
| penguinbait | gets me nowhere | 17:13 |
| pupnik | classic skin is nice on ITT. The n810 theme restricts display width | 17:13 |
| penguinbait | I can get there, but when I click on something, it sends me to a name I cannot resolve | 17:13 |
| penguinbait | #@$%$#@!# | 17:13 |
| pupnik | penguinbait: what is that name? | 17:13 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, But you say using roms is unethical unless you have cartridge :p | 17:13 |
| qwerty12 | pb, :( | 17:14 |
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| penguinbait | internettablettalk.com | 17:15 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, "switch" dns services for a while to opendns :p | 17:15 |
| penguinbait | the things thats pissing me off now, is I am trying to run "ipconfig /flushdns" and freaking vista, needs admin rights, I am a freaking admin??? | 17:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If it comes to buying a e100 cartridge from some collectibles-obsessed junky, I can bend the ethical rules a little bit. | 17:16 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, you use Vista at work? /me smacks head :p. disable uac for a while... | 17:16 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, good point | 17:16 |
| penguinbait | yes :( | 17:17 |
| pupnik | there are some decent 1-euro dealies on teh 'bay | 17:17 |
| RST38h | If you can buy the same thing for e5 at a used games store though, buy it by all means | 17:17 |
| qwerty12 | I used to keep roms (illegally, I ain't gonna deny it) but I don't have them anymore. Not because of a conscience but I kinda got bored of playing roms :P | 17:17 |
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| penguinbait | yeah its working | 17:18 |
| qwerty12 | kl | 17:18 |
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| pupnik | wow these collector prices are ~insane~ :) | 17:29 |
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| qwerty12 | penguinbait, Mind if I ask a q about KDE? If you boot it from SD, is it separate to the maemo on the rootfs/mtdflash? I mean with your other easy installer, it has to be run from the applications menu of maemo but I understand you can still run some/most maemo apps that are in the flash. | 17:53 |
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| penguinbait | qwerty, your name is so easy to type :) | 17:57 |
| qwerty12 | Why I chose it when I was 12 out of annoyance because all my other choices were taken :D :) | 17:57 |
| penguinbait | If you boot from SD, its still on top of maemo, you boot to maemo, and run KDE from extras menu | 17:58 |
| penguinbait | this stops hildon and starts KDE | 17:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, thanks! I will for sure try out your port when I get a 4GB (stuck with a crappy 1gb atm giving me i/o errors :/) | 17:58 |
| penguinbait | 2GB is minimum, but 4GB is probably reccomended | 17:59 |
| penguinbait | with 2GB and KDe install it leaves about 300MB free, after removing install files | 17:59 |
| penguinbait | 337 on my to be exact | 17:59 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I was gonna take apart the deb and do some of the install from the computer when I realised it would be pointless :/ | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, I was gonna get a 2gb before I saw the 4gb | 18:00 |
| penguinbait | I just posted a KDE installer for boot from SD | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, i'll grab it when I get a sd card, no point wasting your bandwidth now :p :) | 18:01 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19675 | 18:01 |
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| penguinbait | the install is only a small deb, the install process does all the downloading for you | 18:02 |
| johnx | penguinbait, I should get un-lazy and do something like that for Debian :) | 18:02 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, nice idea | 18:03 |
| penguinbait | I think I need to start playing with the Debian :) | 18:03 |
| penguinbait | been to busy with my pown crap :) | 18:03 |
| qwerty12 | s/pown/? :p | 18:04 |
| penguinbait | my own crap that is | 18:04 |
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| penguinbait | I realized quite quickly, it could be mis-construed for my "porn" crap | 18:04 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:04 |
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| qwerty12 | 1st thought of mine :p | 18:04 |
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| johnx | I'll spin a new release that has out-of-the-box support for the N810 keyboard and a nice little icon to make it work on a terminal | 18:04 |
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| penguinbait | so how are things ported in that enviroment, are they only compiled locally? | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Does anyone know what the search tool was called in Ubuntu 7.10? | 18:06 |
| penguinbait | wondering if KDE can run on top of that, instead of maemo | 18:06 |
| johnx | well, with Debian I currently have it booting to hildon-desktop, but there are relatively few hildonized apps for Debian. | 18:06 |
| johnx | but I've been thinking of doing a release with xfce or matchbox/gpe | 18:06 |
| RST38h | qwerty: tracker? | 18:06 |
| penguinbait | I thought the whole point was to get rid of hildon? | 18:06 |
| penguinbait | is it using matchbox? | 18:06 |
| johnx | I actually like hildon. I don't like ITOS | 18:06 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, that's what it is now in hardy. pressing the search button on my HP keyboard would bring up something else. Now it brings up tracker. I don't like tracker for a task like I need it now because it relies on it's index. | 18:07 |
| johnx | my original idea was to keep hildon and also get any debian apps you wanted...but I think I'll do a release that boots to xfce just to see if it gets a bigger reaction on the forums :) | 18:07 |
| penguinbait | what WM is running ? | 18:07 |
| johnx | by default? matchbox, just like ITOS | 18:07 |
| penguinbait | so what is the point? sorry for my ignorance? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Actually, it would be cool to see a joint release between you too. With pb's experience with WM's, you could have XFCE in debian :) | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | s/too/two/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Actually, it would be cool to see a joint release between you two. With pb's experience with WM's, you could have XFCE in debian :) | 18:08 |
| johnx | now you can install any debian app you want with apt-get | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Not to say you couldn't do it yourself. | 18:09 |
| johnx | want kde? apt-get install kde4 | 18:09 |
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| penguinbait | I am guessing its not currently that easy :) | 18:09 |
| hrw | johnx: rootfs on sd card? | 18:09 |
| johnx | but yeah, I think most of the other people who want Debian are mostly interested in a different desktop environment, too | 18:09 |
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| johnx | hrw, yeah. it sucks power, but it makes it easy for people to try | 18:10 |
| johnx | penguinbait, it is | 18:10 |
| johnx | if it's in debian armel it is just an apt-get away | 18:10 |
| penguinbait | again, where do you compile at? | 18:11 |
| johnx | ahaha | 18:11 |
| johnx | you don't | 18:11 |
| johnx | that's the whole point | 18:11 |
| penguinbait | If I can not compile its useless to me? | 18:12 |
| johnx | I mean you can recompile if you want, just apt-get build-essential | 18:12 |
| penguinbait | I want to do my own thing, not be limited, although scratchbox is limiting | 18:12 |
| penguinbait | very limiting | 18:12 |
| keesj | johnx: just what? | 18:12 |
| johnx | err...apt-get install build-essential on the device | 18:12 |
| johnx | then you have gcc | 18:13 |
| johnx | I build Debian packages that aren't built yet for armel in qemu-system | 18:13 |
| johnx | I need to setup sb2 and try that for Debian cross compiles though | 18:13 |
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| johnx | ...but my external drive where I have space seems to be causing me problems... | 18:13 |
| penguinbait | I can not imagine trying to compile 100+ packages on the device to make KDE3.5.8 | 18:13 |
| konttori | new wiicontrol version at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176096 | 18:13 |
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| penguinbait | although I probably would't need to compile as many | 18:14 |
| johnx | penguinbait, right, but kde is already compiled for debian | 18:14 |
| penguinbait | so is it running on debian? | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | I can't, the thing craps out in 7 hours when running aircrack-ng | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | ^imagine it too that is | 18:14 |
| johnx | wait, is what running Debian? | 18:14 |
| penguinbait | Can I currently install the Debian version and "apt-get install kde" | 18:15 |
| johnx | yes | 18:15 |
| johnx | you could have done that since late january | 18:15 |
| penguinbait | and it will launch and run KDE? | 18:15 |
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| johnx | yeah | 18:15 |
| johnx | I just installed xfce the other night for fun | 18:16 |
| johnx | just to do a screenshot of gimp :) | 18:16 |
| penguinbait | I have already run GIMP on IT :) | 18:16 |
| johnx | well, that's because you're not as lazy as me :D | 18:17 |
| penguinbait | I am wondering why I am wasting my time, you need to work on some easy install processes, and they will come | 18:17 |
| penguinbait | don't be so sure | 18:17 |
| penguinbait | :) | 18:17 |
| johnx | well, I do a little work now so I don't have to do any work later | 18:17 |
| johnx | the install process is install bootmenu, cd /media/mmc2 && tar jxvf /path/to/debian.tar.bz2 | 18:18 |
| johnx | but I might make a multi-step "install wizard" script | 18:19 |
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| penguinbait | Well to be clear, I am a hack at best :) I do not try to understand the debian process, nor do I care for it. I am a Red Hat guy, and deb HELL is the same as RPM HELL, perhaps I would argue worse. I hate ubuntu, its a pile of dog crap :) Althoug Kubuntu seems much more together | 18:19 |
| johnx | press 1 to install bootmenu with default options, press 2 to unpack debian onto sd card | 18:19 |
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| penguinbait | Mine is just one script that runs, you already have bootmenu, oh well here it comes again :) | 18:20 |
| johnx | penguinbait, deb hell is just as bad as rpm hell when you're pulling from a million different repos, and sometimes ubuntu can be a bit flakey (as it's being on my desktop right now...) but debian+apt-get is a world of awesome | 18:21 |
| penguinbait | Just not that impressed | 18:21 |
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| johnx | fair enough. distro preference, editor preference, etc is all personal opinion | 18:22 |
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| penguinbait | editor preference | 18:22 |
| penguinbait | there is only one editor | 18:22 |
| johnx | cat? | 18:22 |
| johnx | or ed maybe? | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | echo | 18:22 |
| penguinbait | maybe cat eith sed | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | but not alone | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | with that is | 18:23 |
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| penguinbait | ed hehe | 18:23 |
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| penguinbait | vi is king | 18:23 |
| * johnx agrees | 18:23 | |
| penguinbait | I leaned ed first | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | learned | 18:23 |
| johnx | I used to hate vi so *&$%ing much | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | me too, I used to use pico | 18:23 |
| penguinbait | heheh | 18:23 |
| qwerty12 | +1 | 18:23 |
| johnx | ahaha, me too! | 18:23 |
| johnx | I was so mad that pico wasn't in debian when I first switched | 18:24 |
| penguinbait | vi rules though!!! | 18:24 |
| penguinbait | I spent about 10 minutes making a cheat sheet and never looked back | 18:24 |
| johnx | I used joe for a while, but eventually I had to learn vi to deal with my zaurus 5500 | 18:24 |
| johnx | 14MB rootfs means no room for fancy editors | 18:24 |
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| penguinbait | I went from RedHat to AIX and there was no pico there, so better learn VI quickly | 18:25 |
| johnx | I learned vi on this keyboard: http://tuxmobil.org/pics/zaurus1.jpg | 18:26 |
| Blafasel | johnx: Hey, I still have one of those ;) | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Beats learning it off a N800's virtual keyboard | 18:26 |
| johnx | me too of course. I need to see why ipkg segfaults under kernel 2.6 on mine... | 18:26 |
| Blafasel | Without charger though (lost it somewhere) and I'm pretty sure the battery is dead anyway. | 18:26 |
| * johnx collects Linux/ARM devices (apparently) | 18:27 | |
| hrw | I was using pico when started using Unix. | 18:28 |
| lardman | what's happened to Garage? | 18:28 |
| penguinbait | I wanted a zaurus so bad, then 770 was born :) | 18:28 |
| hrw | now I think that learning Vi would be better at those times... | 18:28 |
| hrw | lardman: maemo.org modem blocked at 2400bps | 18:28 |
| lardman | hrw: sounds about right :) | 18:29 |
| johnx | someone bumped the handset off the top of the modem :) | 18:29 |
| hrw | I really wonder why people use garage for projects... | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe watchdog rebooted the N800 the site is hosted off? | 18:29 |
| penguinbait | I just place things randomly around the internet :) | 18:29 |
| hrw | using garage.maemo.org is like hosting on cf card forgotten somewhere in basement | 18:30 |
| penguinbait | I think it was metalayer crawler | 18:30 |
| johnx | hey, don't compare my hosting habits to garage! I'm insulted. :P | 18:31 |
| * johnx used to run a semi-public wiki on his Z5500 | 18:32 | |
| penguinbait | johnx where do I start if I want to install your Debian version? | 18:32 |
| johnx | grab the tarball, unpack it onto an ext2 sd card | 18:32 |
| johnx | boot from it with boot menu | 18:32 |
| johnx | wiki is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, will you ever integrate fanoush's framebuffer tools into the debian. as I understand it, atm it shows nothing while booting. | 18:33 |
| johnx | qwerty12, correct | 18:33 |
| johnx | I need to spin a new release soon | 18:34 |
| johnx | but I need a new host first or someone who wants to mirror it | 18:34 |
| ImMelod1 | Total change of subject, but do any of you ever wish you had more room and money to buy really big inflatables? | 18:34 |
| johnx | like a giant inflatable whale for the beach? | 18:35 |
| johnx | or bigger? | 18:35 |
| ImMelod1 | No...something like this: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2541453 | 18:35 |
| qwerty12 | I wish I had enough money for a 4gb sd lol. | 18:35 |
| johnx | ahaha...more room indeed. I would need a yard to start with... | 18:36 |
| ImMelod1 | lol...me too XD | 18:36 |
| penguinbait | I like my boat, I go to the water | 18:36 |
| * johnx should just go to the beach more this summer | 18:36 | |
| ImMelod1 | Open water is all well and good, but something like that would be amazing | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | I quit smoking in 1995 and bought a boat, 150$ / month | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | I quit smoking in 2005 and bought a boat, 150$ / month | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | go what year is it? | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | seems like longer | 18:37 |
| penguinbait | ah it was 2003, I dont even know what happened | 18:38 |
| penguinbait | see what happens wen you quit smoking | 18:38 |
| johnx | nah, you just need more coffee | 18:38 |
| penguinbait | so no sound in Debian or is this just old info? | 18:38 |
| johnx | no sound...to do it right we need a real kernel driver hacker :/ | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | I nominate lardman :p | 18:39 |
| johnx | he's got enough projects, I'm sure :) | 18:39 |
| lardman | he has and is trying to register one with Garage, but it's not listening | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Probably true, but when it comes to sound, I always believe him :) | 18:40 |
| lardman | aargh | 18:40 |
| penguinbait | I see, I will wait then | 18:40 |
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| lardman | Is the lack of sound a DSP problem? | 18:42 |
| * lardman has never looked at the Debian-on-internet-tablet stuff | 18:42 | |
| johnx | well, it depends on how you want to look at the sound problem. | 18:42 |
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| johnx | we could probably just drag closed source binaries over from ITOS and end up with working sound after some hacking | 18:43 |
| lardman | is your Debian a chroot? | 18:43 |
| johnx | nope, boot from sd | 18:43 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 18:43 |
| johnx | load kernel -> fanoush bootmenu -> pivot_root to sd -> run debian init | 18:43 |
| penguinbait | so it has a different kernel? | 18:43 |
| johnx | nope | 18:43 |
| lardman | I'm not too clear on whether the sound sent via the kernel is routed into the DSP or not for mixing; but if so, you'll need a DSP kernel with a codec driver | 18:44 |
| johnx | same kernel, it's just like booting from sd with ITOS | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | so it should only be software missing for sould | 18:44 |
| penguinbait | sound | 18:44 |
| lardman | presumably | 18:45 |
| johnx | lardman, I believe the sound is routed into the DSP, however, I thought I heard that the ARM core could also access the sound hardware, but there aren't drivers for it | 18:45 |
| lardman | ah, that may be why I was slightly fuzzy about the whole thing | 18:45 |
| johnx | the correct way to do it in the long run is probably to just play sound from the ARM core if that's possible | 18:45 |
| penguinbait | is wifi working? | 18:45 |
| johnx | yup, with wpa_supplicant | 18:46 |
| lardman | It would be possible to write a kernel, though a bit of a drag to write the codec driver (though the information is available); I'd be tempted to use the Nokia stuff | 18:46 |
| johnx | in the short term Nokia stuff is the way to go | 18:46 |
| johnx | In the long term (after Nokia "retires" the N8x0 lineup) a more permanent open source solution may be necessary to anyone who still wants to run new kernels on their tablet | 18:47 |
| lardman | in which case it shouldn't be too bad; iirc the mixer task is built into the dsp-kernel, so you just need to load that - which I presume some of the init scripts do | 18:47 |
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| johnx | yeah, I have it loading enough sound stuff to make alsamixer happy to display a little slider | 18:47 |
| johnx | but I haven't gotten mplayer to do anything with that | 18:47 |
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| johnx | so quick show of hands, if I do a new Debian release what desktop env should I choose as default? (It won't be KDE or gnome for size reasons) | 18:49 |
| lardman | bye chaps | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 18:49 |
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| johnx | 'night lardman|gone | 18:49 |
| hrw | johnx: twm of course | 18:49 |
| elb | if you're eliminating KDE and GNOME, but you want a "Desktop environment", there's not much left, is there? | 18:49 |
| elb | XFCE | 18:49 |
| elb | what else? | 18:49 |
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| penguinbait | XFCE / Blackbox / Fluxbox / Window Maker | 18:50 |
| elb | blackbox and fluxbox aren't "Desktop environments" | 18:50 |
| pupnik | and god bless them | 18:50 |
| elb | window maker is part of gnustep, but it's nowhere near complete enough to call a usable "environment" | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:50 |
| johnx | hrw, :D | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | window maker is very useable, it used to run on my n800 all the time | 18:50 |
| penguinbait | and freaking SUPERFAST | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | its freaking SUPERUGLY | 18:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12, you're freaking wrong | 18:51 |
| johnx | wmaker it is | 18:51 |
| * johnx loves WM | 18:51 | |
| penguinbait | wmaker is beautiful | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | I still think it looks ugly | 18:51 |
| penguinbait | how old is qwerty? | 18:51 |
| johnx | qwerty12, it grows on you...like a fungus | 18:51 |
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| penguinbait | how old is johnx? | 18:52 |
| johnx | qwerty12 is old enough to know better :D | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 18:52 |
| penguinbait | Just curious if its an age thing? | 18:52 |
| * johnx is 24 if you must know | 18:52 | |
| penguinbait | pb is 36, been using window maker for long time | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | I'm 15. You don't get a lot of 15 year old's running Linux :P | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | I started reading tons of Linux books from the local library at 9 though | 18:53 |
| penguinbait | freak :) | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | That's what got me interested in Linux. I started using it when I was 13 | 18:53 |
| johnx | me younger sister was running it before 15...so was I... | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Muhahahaha | 18:53 |
| penguinbait | RTFM | 18:53 |
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| penguinbait | pb used to work at Borders Books World Headquarters | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | I have a lot of freaking linux books | 18:54 |
| johnx | windows 95 made me love Linux, and redhat's fvwm95 made me love windowmaker | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | There are books on freaking linux? | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | yes there are :) | 18:54 |
| johnx | yeah, it's surprisingly similar to regular linux | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | eww | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | qwerty is same age as my son | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | heh | 18:54 |
| penguinbait | my oldest anyway | 18:55 |
| johnx | maybe I'll go with xfce simply to avoid some of the double-tap and right-click parts of wmaker... | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | xfce ftw | 18:56 |
| elb | you could no doubt make a pretty usable fvwm install for a stylus | 18:56 |
| johnx | yeah, or icewm | 18:56 |
| elb | I intend to try, when I get to installing something !hildon on my tablet | 18:56 |
| elb | (I use fvwm, and have for basically ever) | 18:56 |
| johnx | fvwm95 left a bad taste in my mouth... | 18:56 |
| penguinbait | maybe CDE | 18:57 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 18:57 |
| penguinbait | or lesstif | 18:57 |
| elb | fvwm95 was pretty much trash | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Or eyeos http://demo.eyeos.org/ | 18:57 |
| penguinbait | Old afterstep runs nicely, but latest versions don't run well on the device | 18:57 |
| elb | it's not really at all like normal fvwm | 18:57 |
| johnx | yeah, and it was the default on rh5.1 | 18:58 |
| penguinbait | I spent a month trying to get redhat 5.1 to call my ISP | 18:58 |
| elb | I had been running fvwm for some time before that, so I just continued using my fvwm config | 18:58 |
| penguinbait | God linux has come a long way | 18:58 |
| johnx | oh yes, so much yes | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Thankfully. otherwise I may have had to use wmaker. the horror! | 18:59 |
| elb | funny that you shoudl say that ... because I'm using essentially the same software now that I used in 1995 or so ;-) | 18:59 |
| elb | fvwm, urxvt, jed, mutt ... | 18:59 |
| johnx | elb, well you don't count | 18:59 |
| johnx | :P | 18:59 |
| elb | I just started using ical a couple of years ago, but it dates to that period | 19:00 |
| penguinbait | darn kids these days | 19:00 |
| johnx | so what are you using for a web browser? | 19:01 |
| johnx | links? w3m? | 19:01 |
| elb | no, I use firefox | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | I don't think I've ever used anything seriously than GNOME for a wm. | 19:01 |
| penguinbait | I always liked KDE better | 19:01 |
| elb | the best browser I've ever used, though, is ca. 1999 or so -- Galeon | 19:01 |
| penguinbait | Especially if you a compiling yourself | 19:02 |
| johnx | ah, they rolled a lot of galeon stuff into epiphany | 19:02 |
| penguinbait | netscape for linux!! | 19:02 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 19:02 |
| johnx | epiphany-webkit is looking real nice | 19:02 |
| elb | firefox has adopted most of its important features, but it took 5-7 years to do so | 19:02 |
| penguinbait | 4.7 communicator | 19:02 |
| penguinbait | woohoo | 19:02 |
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| johnx | yeah, I used galeon too | 19:02 |
| johnx | qwerty12, I'm in gnome right now...but everytime it's window management annoys me I think about switching back to wmaker | 19:02 |
| elb | firefox 2 was probably where it picked up the last of hte features I really missed | 19:02 |
| johnx | this is a cycle that repeats every couple months... | 19:03 |
| penguinbait | God I hope the n900 brings RAM | 19:03 |
| elb | galeon was quite a bit faster, of course | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, grab xubuntu-desktop rather than degenerating yourself by using wmaker :p | 19:03 |
| penguinbait | get rid of internal flash, boot from 2GB internal | 19:03 |
| penguinbait | 512MB RAM | 19:03 |
| johnx | qwerty12, nah, the point is the window manager was better at managing windows | 19:03 |
| johnx | elb, yeah, I started finding extensions to fill the gaps...then I found extensions that did stuff I couldn't do in galeon and that basically got me to switch | 19:04 |
| elb | I quit using galeon when it was taking a long time to adopt new geckos | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Why not make a prettier fork :p | 19:04 |
| elb | old buggy gecko was always its weak spot | 19:04 |
| penguinbait | links -g best browser :) | 19:04 |
| johnx | qwerty12, so, what's ugly about wmaker to you? just the theme? | 19:05 |
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| johnx | I mean it is themeable... | 19:05 |
| manrique | is garage down? maintance? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, The icons on the side, the icons in general :p | 19:05 |
| penguinbait | isn't it always down? | 19:06 |
| johnx | qwerty12, so use your own! :P | 19:06 |
| manrique | I am looking for easy.garage.maemo.org | 19:06 |
| aquatix | johnx: i really like the window manager from xfce4, xfwm4 | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | I can't design for love nor money :P | 19:06 |
| manrique | just to see the camera api | 19:06 |
| aquatix | johnx: you might want to try out xfce4 :) | 19:06 |
| johnx | I have already, I'll probably go for it just because it requires fewer double-taps, which are hard to do with fingers | 19:07 |
| manrique | it seems that the camera app changes/rotate the video when the lens rotates (in C) but the python app doesn't do it | 19:07 |
| penguinbait | 4.4.2 is the latest | 19:07 |
| penguinbait | 4.4.1 is what I put out for 2007OS | 19:08 |
| * qwerty12 is trying to compile Aleph 1. I've got the GL and Boost errors fixed but I'm trying to rip out the Network support because it fails for me. After a hour hacking away, I can bet it isn't gonna work. | 19:08 | |
| penguinbait | I got NetworkManager compiled, is this what your referring to? | 19:09 |
| manrique | someone here with experience in maemo camera? | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | No, the Aleph One Marathon game engine thingy | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | I'd quite like to see someone taking over that unfinished E17 port for N800. | 19:11 |
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| johnx | qwerty12, what needs to be "ported" about it? | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Whatever the term is then. I don't think it was ever finished. Binaries were released though. | 19:12 |
| pupnik | I want a basement full of hungry indian coders | 19:12 |
| penguinbait | hehehehehehe | 19:12 |
| penguinbait | ehheheh | 19:12 |
| johnx | qwerty12, do you mean compiled for ITOS or modified to behave better on the tablet screen/ work better with hildon apps/ something else? | 19:13 |
| penguinbait | last I seen that is was a month before Y2K | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | Actually, I'm not sure come think of it :/ | 19:14 |
| aquatix | penguinbait: and you haven't fed them since? poor things... | 19:14 |
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| amr | anyone here any experience with streams that won't play in canola2? :< | 19:16 |
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| amr | it adds fine | 19:16 |
| amr | but it doesn't move from 00:00 - and doesn't paly anything | 19:17 |
| amr | play* | 19:17 |
| amr | i'm not even sure its connecting now | 19:17 |
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| penguinbait | Debian n800 beta 2?? Does this run on 810? | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | It should do. | 19:19 |
| penguinbait | qwerty are you in UK | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | One guy said he made a fix for the N810 internal keyboard or something. | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, yes | 19:19 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 19:19 |
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| penguinbait | My brit buddy, always says "it shoud do" | 19:20 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 19:20 |
| penguinbait | amongst other creative sayings | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | "you know what I mean" :p | 19:20 |
| penguinbait | ah bullocks | 19:20 |
| johnx|zaurus | my desktop just went awol | 19:20 |
| aquatix | bah humbug | 19:21 |
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| qwerty12 | I watched a fight and you won't believe the amount of times he says that after a sentence - Amir Khan that is | 19:21 |
| penguinbait | he often says "wheres my fresh pint" I think all Brits say this? | 19:21 |
| johnx|zaurus | penguinbait, yeah, it works on n810 but you need to do a minor hack t make the kb work | 19:21 |
| penguinbait | is it on the wiki? | 19:21 |
| aquatix | penguinbait: the ones the drink too much beer, yes ;) | 19:21 |
| amr | screw it | 19:22 |
| johnx|zaurus | penguinbait, yes :) | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait, wouldn't know :p | 19:22 |
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| penguinbait | I thought brits start drinking at 12, perhaps thats Germans :) | 19:22 |
| johnx|zaurus | I really shouldnt have bought a mobo with via chipset... | 19:22 |
| penguinbait | 12 being an age, not a time :) | 19:23 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: if you find ogg-support 0.7 anywhere, tell me | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | johnx|zaurus, you too? I used to have a Tyan mobo with via. biggest pos I've seen | 19:23 |
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| penguinbait | the time starts much earlier :) | 19:23 |
| AStorm | and specifically 0.7, 0.6 I already have | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, I'm sure ogg-support 0.7 doesn't exist :/. maybe ask kulve ? | 19:24 |
| AStorm | hehe | 19:24 |
| AStorm | asking on ITT | 19:24 |
| AStorm | it must exist, or lightmediascanner0-ogg (in repos) wouldn't dep on it | 19:24 |
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| qwerty12 | ogg-support just consists of one file anyway, I think it's a metapackage. If you wan't I can hack you up a 0.7 version? :p | 19:25 |
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| qwerty12 | s/wan't/want | 19:25 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: blah blah | 19:25 |
| AStorm | and hack libvorbisidec too? | 19:25 |
| AStorm | that won't work | 19:25 |
| penguinbait | johnx, where is the hack for n810 keyboard, I am not seeing it | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Or, I could hack lightmediascanner0-ogg instead :p | 19:26 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: it deps on new libvorbisidec for a reason | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Ah | 19:26 |
| penguinbait | am I blind or was it all wiki'ed out? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | Check the History if it was. | 19:27 |
| AStorm | google cache? | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, which version of libvorbisidec does it depend on? a google for "ogg-support 0.7" brings up posts by you wanting it :P | 19:28 |
| AStorm | too new | 19:28 |
| AStorm | :) | 19:28 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, i see | 19:29 |
| AStorm | one I can't find either | 19:29 |
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| AStorm | ok, bbl | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | I'll check it out for you. | 19:30 |
| johnx|zaurus | bah, if I do another deb release i should include rotation suppoty | 19:30 |
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| johnx|zaurus | *support | 19:31 |
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| AStorm | I'd prefer matchbox which doesn't crash vs OMWeather and other applets | 19:31 |
| lopz | hola | 19:32 |
| AStorm | yes, it's the applets that cause the crash | 19:32 |
| johnx|zaurus | matchbox is crashing on you? | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, is libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2_armel.deb = libvorbisidec1 (>= 1:1.2.0) | 19:32 |
| AStorm | either any of home* or OMWeather | 19:32 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:32 |
| johnx|zaurus | buenos dia, lopz | 19:32 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: supposedly | 19:32 |
| AStorm | where did you find it? | 19:33 |
| qwerty12 | mogg project page. Wait a sec, I'll fix it all up for you. | 19:33 |
| AStorm | mhm... | 19:33 |
| AStorm | so next ogg-support will be merged with mogg? how nice | 19:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:33 |
| lopz | heya johnx|zaurus ! | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, libvorbisidec = https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2423/libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2_armel.deb and modified lightmediascanner0-ogg = http://www.mediafire.com/?xzyfkyxxj3m to depend on 0.6 of ogg support. | 19:36 |
| AStorm | it's not 0.6 anymore with new libvorbisidec | 19:36 |
| AStorm | I hope the newer one is faster :) | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | But 0.7 doesn't exist. | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | Unless it is svn build. | 19:37 |
| AStorm | maybe... | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Anyway with libvorbisidec, I see no difference. ogg-support package is just one file. | 19:37 |
| AStorm | what file? | 19:37 |
| penguinbait | cp /mnt/rootfs/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/1 | 19:38 |
| penguinbait | is this the hack/fix you were referring to? | 19:38 |
| penguinbait | for the 810 hardware keyboard? | 19:38 |
| johnx|zaurus | yes, also, you need to restart the x server after boot | 19:38 |
| johnx|zaurus | the fix is to have the x server start later | 19:39 |
| johnx|zaurus | there is some race condition... | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, my bad. It's few files but nothing to do with actually ogg libraries. its for adding support to built in media player, registering mime etc. | 19:39 |
| AStorm | mhm | 19:39 |
| * qwerty12 goes back to trying to make a crappy port of aleph 1 | 19:40 | |
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| pupnik | qwerty12: hows that working for you? | 19:41 |
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| qwerty12 | I've got the Boost and GL stuff sorted out (I've got Mesa headers, just GL is disabled at configure time) but I'm getting errors with Network support so I'm ripping it out. | 19:42 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: still missing dep | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, which one? | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | mogg? | 19:43 |
| AStorm | on libvirbisidec | 19:43 |
| AStorm | *libvorbisidec | 19:44 |
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| AStorm | uhm, libvorbisidec1 | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | I didn't modify that one. Is lightmediascanner0-ogg complaining about libvorbisidec? | 19:44 |
| AStorm | yes | 19:44 |
| AStorm | and I have 1.2.0-2 | 19:45 |
| AStorm | so wtf? | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | You want me to take out that dependency too and see if it works anywayz? | 19:46 |
| AStorm | mod the dep so that it works | 19:46 |
| AStorm | I wonder why it doesn't | 19:46 |
| AStorm | says 66k dload too | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Try this one | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.mediafire.com/?ttx1xxdoxyr | 19:47 |
| AStorm | that 1: is tripping it | 19:48 |
| AStorm | for some reason | 19:48 |
| AStorm | what kind of vesioning it is anyway? | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | No idea, it cant argue with this one, it has no libvorbis dep: | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | <upload in progress> | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.mediafire.com/?im21s1n2mg1 | 19:49 |
| AStorm | you fail | 19:50 |
| AStorm | it had 2.0.2 dep | 19:50 |
| AStorm | trying the newest | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Do it yourself then, I ain't hot on numbering. | 19:51 |
| AStorm | mediafire sucks | 19:52 |
| * qwerty12 now forces myself to stay on Aleph 1 | 19:52 | |
| AStorm | use up.wklej.org | 19:52 |
| AStorm | or similar | 19:52 |
| AStorm | (mediafire opens popups) | 19:52 |
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| AStorm | new one loads faster :) | 19:54 |
| AStorm | visibly | 19:54 |
| AStorm | as fast as MP3 | 19:54 |
| AStorm | and seems to skip less (none) | 19:55 |
| AStorm | definitely an improvement | 19:55 |
| AStorm | :D | 19:56 |
| johnx|zaurus | jeez, modern x86 kernels sure have a lot of config options O_o | 19:57 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: post about it on ITT | 19:57 |
| AStorm | johnx|zaurus: yep, bloated arch | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, Ok, thanks. I have to convert my mp3's to ogg sometime. | 19:57 |
| johnx|zaurus | this was simpler 8 years ago when I had no clue what I was doing... | 19:58 |
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| aquatix | lightmediascanner? | 20:00 |
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| qwerty12 | The indexer for Canola | 20:00 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: converting ogg->mp3 will only cause less quality files | 20:01 |
| aquatix | better re-rip them, or stay in mp3 | 20:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, I want to do it the other way round :) | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | All my songs are mp3 :) | 20:01 |
| aquatix | erm | 20:03 |
| aquatix | sorry, i typed the -> wrong, but i meant your way :) | 20:03 |
| * johnx|zaurus shakes his head | 20:03 | |
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| qwerty12 | bye | 20:06 |
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| Blafasel | qwerty12: Converting from 60% quality jpg to png doesn't improve anything either.. ;) | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | I'm looking for a smaller size :). In windows, I just do a bunch with dbpoweramp. | 20:07 |
| aquatix | qwerty12: your ears will hate you ;) | 20:08 |
| aquatix | ah, dinner! | 20:08 |
| * aquatix runs off | 20:08 | |
| qwerty12 | They already do, I use my W810 with modded acoustic drivers and customised mega bass preset for louder sound and more bass :P | 20:08 |
| aquatix | poor things | 20:09 |
| Blafasel | louder sound? Nice.. | 20:09 |
| aquatix | anyways, i'm going to enjoy some spaghetti | 20:09 |
| Blafasel | It really _is_ too quiet. | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | Blafasel, which phone do you have? | 20:09 |
| Blafasel | 810 | 20:09 |
| Blafasel | "phone"? ;) | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Good choice :P | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Mobile then :p | 20:10 |
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| penguinbait | cp /mnt/rootfs/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/1 | 20:21 |
| penguinbait | is one a dir, or am I copying this file to be named 1? | 20:21 |
| johnx | hmm, probably a typo | 20:22 |
| penguinbait | just copy it to policy? | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | Is it meant to be 10osvendor? | 20:22 |
| johnx | qwerty12, probably | 20:22 |
| penguinbait | gotcha | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | skeen | 20:22 |
| * johnx looks | 20:22 | |
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| johnx | yeah, I think qwerty12 is right | 20:23 |
| penguinbait | need to mkdir /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/ | 20:23 |
| penguinbait | then copy, just FYI | 20:23 |
| johnx | you shouldn't need to... | 20:23 |
| penguinbait | its not there? | 20:23 |
| johnx | it is there I think, I just have it wrong in the wiki | 20:24 |
| * johnx just unpacked a fresh copy of beta2 | 20:24 | |
| penguinbait | I guess its still unpacking | 20:24 |
| penguinbait | but it seems to have already passed that location? | 20:25 |
| johnx | you're doing this while it's still untarring? O_o | 20:25 |
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| penguinbait | no, because the directory is not there yet :) | 20:25 |
| penguinbait | easier to do before booting the first time | 20:25 |
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| * qwerty12 hates taking out the same repeated lines out of a file over and over again :( | 20:26 | |
| penguinbait | can you remove nano from the base, I dont need it | 20:26 |
| penguinbait | :) | 20:26 |
| johnx | yeah, I'll replace it with emacs :P | 20:26 |
| johnx | good plan | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | I have emacs installed on OS2008 but I have no idea on using it (yet) :p | 20:27 |
| johnx | nano comes with debian base | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | It's just noce to dish out a little of what I always get :) | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | nice | 20:27 |
| johnx | I basically want to target this at fitting in 1GB | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | does it really matter? | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | 1GB for base, but if you want to install stuff you need more room anyway | 20:28 |
| johnx | it'd be nice to support people with 1GB cards in places where SD cards are still expensive | 20:28 |
| johnx | especially since it's so stupid easy to install stuff once you have a real debian system | 20:28 |
| penguinbait | thats the whole point right :) | 20:29 |
| johnx | exactly | 20:29 |
| penguinbait | how big is it unpacked now? | 20:29 |
| johnx | just so happens I unpacked a fresh copy right now :D | 20:29 |
| penguinbait | du -sh ? | 20:29 |
| johnx | 553M | 20:29 |
| johnx | from du -h | 20:30 |
| penguinbait | oh thats not bad | 20:30 |
| johnx | that's with hildon and like nothing installed | 20:30 |
| penguinbait | KDE is 1.1GB without the OS underneath :) | 20:30 |
| johnx | xfce+gimp fits under a gig | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | Bye. | 20:30 |
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| penguinbait | I wonder if I can just dump my KDE on top the your debian | 20:30 |
| penguinbait | see ya q | 20:31 |
| johnx | uhm, probably, but it would be a lot more future proof to just have a tar.gz with the custom settings and use debian's KDE... | 20:31 |
| johnx | did you hack a lot of KDE source to slim it down? | 20:31 |
| penguinbait | no slimming at all :) | 20:31 |
| penguinbait | its a full desktop build | 20:32 |
| johnx | well, no offence, but why not use Debian's packages? | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | have not tried yet | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | if I can just apt-get cups and KDE, sounds good | 20:32 |
| penguinbait | well, and some sounds would be nice? | 20:33 |
| johnx | yeah, sound would be nice | 20:33 |
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| johnx | I'll do the next release with no sound and see if I can draw someone's attention who feels like working on it | 20:33 |
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| penguinbait | 10osvendor is not on my beta2 | 20:36 |
| penguinbait | ???? | 20:36 |
| johnx | ls usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ | 20:37 |
| johnx | tell me what is in there | 20:37 |
| penguinbait | nevermind | 20:38 |
| penguinbait | doh, missed policy in typing | 20:38 |
| johnx | were either of the mirrors up, by the way? | 20:39 |
| penguinbait | not sure I used http://sheeplauncher.net/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 | 20:40 |
| johnx | bah! :P | 20:40 |
| johnx | I need to just remove that link, and let people ask for it if the mirrors are down | 20:40 |
| penguinbait | me likes to go to the source :) | 20:40 |
| johnx | I only have 5GB of transfer per month! | 20:40 |
| penguinbait | I am booted | 20:41 |
| penguinbait | I have unlimited, but they suck | 20:41 |
| penguinbait | I had 30GB of retrys the first month | 20:41 |
| johnx | I need to find someone else to pay my $5/month to | 20:41 |
| penguinbait | not siteground! | 20:42 |
| johnx | alright, I'll remember that | 20:42 |
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| s1d | mMM i <3 scratchbox | 20:42 |
| johnx | haha...looks like I'll dodge my transfer limit by a couple hours :D | 20:42 |
| penguinbait | where is terminal? | 20:42 |
| johnx | extras -> roxterm | 20:42 |
| johnx | don't ask me why... | 20:42 |
| penguinbait | ah | 20:43 |
| penguinbait | what is default password? | 20:43 |
| penguinbait | rootme? | 20:43 |
| johnx | sounds right | 20:43 |
| johnx | isn't it on the wiki? | 20:43 |
| penguinbait | keyboard is not working? | 20:43 |
| johnx | is that a question to me? | 20:44 |
| penguinbait | statement? | 20:44 |
| johnx | but yeah, you need to restart the x server? | 20:44 |
| johnx | it's a race condition? | 20:44 |
| penguinbait | even though it was there when I booted? | 20:44 |
| johnx | yes? | 20:44 |
| johnx | no? | 20:44 |
| penguinbait | race condition? | 20:44 |
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| Cptnodegard | is it just me or does reed use a 770 in fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer? | 20:45 |
| johnx | hal starts doing something and doesn't finish before the x server starts | 20:45 |
| penguinbait | ok, I cannot do (ctrl - alt - backspace) the x-server is start / stop (no restart) | 20:47 |
| penguinbait | so, how is this done? | 20:47 |
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| penguinbait | I assume if I stop, there is no x for me to type in to start? | 20:48 |
| johnx | correct | 20:48 |
| johnx | I always did it by bringing up networking and sshing in | 20:48 |
| johnx | but you could use screen | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | hmm | 20:48 |
| penguinbait | is there like sudo ALL=ALL | 20:49 |
| johnx | for example start screen, su, /etc/init.d/x-server stop ; /etc/init.d/x-server start ; /etc/init.d/hildon-session start | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | I know, but I am not root | 20:49 |
| johnx | root password is rootme | 20:49 |
| penguinbait | so I can just su | 20:49 |
| johnx | yeah, this isn't ubuntu or itos craziness | 20:50 |
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| johnx | this is a real linux distro :D | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | I can not see my xterm behind on-screen keyboad | 20:50 |
| penguinbait | ah, clear, moves it back up | 20:51 |
| NullM0dem | Do the builtin xterm menus work? | 20:53 |
| penguinbait | It appears to me, this would be much more usefull without hildon | 20:53 |
| penguinbait | not sure I am rebooting now | 20:53 |
| johnx | might be more useful...but I had mixed feelings about taking the tablet in too many directions at once. I really want to see hildon succeed on handheld linux and not have the nokia tablet community fracture off in a million directions like the zaurus community | 20:55 |
| penguinbait | ok, so scrap hildon, and use something else :) | 20:57 |
| johnx | :P | 20:57 |
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| NullM0dem | I avoided zaurus for that reason, A friend of mine claims that there are too many projects most are broke or incomplete. nothing works without serious tweaking... | 21:01 |
| johnx | it used to be more true than it is now | 21:02 |
| johnx | both angstrom and custom debian installs get you something that's pretty useful without too much pain | 21:02 |
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| johnx | but I really think the zaurus would have gone a lot further without everyone pulling in a million different directions | 21:03 |
| johnx | largely the problem was Sharp | 21:04 |
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| johnx | at the same time though, hildon is on a lot firmer ground now that ubuntu mobile is using it as well, so I'm not too worried about accidentally undermining it | 21:06 |
| penguinbait | There seems to be to be two camps, one thinks of this as a wonderful finger friendly device, and then there is poeple like me who says its a computer, and can run most anything, then you have the people who want both | 21:06 |
| johnx | I fall in the latter camp | 21:07 |
| lcuk | its not a finger device | 21:07 |
| lcuk | most operations still need a stylus | 21:07 |
| johnx | lcuk, I would beg to differ... | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | brainwave control is really what I am looking for | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | do what I think not what I say | 21:07 |
| johnx | ah, and by latter camp, I mean I want both :) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | ok a stylusesq finger - take for instance changing brightness: it works with a finger nail but the icons are too small to use with finger alone | 21:08 |
| johnx | luckily all my fingers come with fingernails included | 21:08 |
| lcuk | if i try i end up with network settings or some other nearby icon | 21:08 |
| johnx | time to sharpen your fingers? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | but thats not a finger device - thats using your fingernail as a stylus | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | take the iphone - a device designed from the ground up to use your finger | 21:09 |
| lcuk | the interface is geared towards using your finger | 21:09 |
| penguinbait | every phone I ever had was that way :) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | absolutely | 21:09 |
| * lardman foolishly installed Heron | 21:09 | |
| johnx | it's in a greay area I think | 21:09 |
| johnx | but it is definitely more finger friendly than GPE on the zaurus for example | 21:10 |
| lcuk | being "more" finger friendly than something else does not make it finger friendly | 21:11 |
| johnx | fair enough | 21:11 |
| johnx | I use it with my fingers all the time | 21:11 |
| * lcuk doesnt mind using the stylus for some precision things | 21:11 | |
| johnx | I can't use my zaurus with my fingers | 21:11 |
| johnx | my fingers and my n800 are acquaintances but lcuk says I can't really call them friends | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | this liqbase thing i am coding up has a menu system with interface elements big enough to touch confidently | 21:12 |
| johnx | yay! another widget set! | 21:12 |
| lcuk | i hate having to aim precisely for something which shouldnt need it | 21:12 |
| lcuk | im not asking anyone else to use it - i am designing things for user #1. ME | 21:13 |
| * lcuk is selfish, but this device will do what i want it to | 21:13 | |
| lcuk | and i thank nokia every day for giving me the chance to use it as i see fit | 21:13 |
| johnx | sorry for the cynicism. I really am excited about the project you're working on | 21:13 |
| lcuk | so am i - im aiming to get enough to break things off into subprojects - the reader is more important for lots of people than anything else i am doing :) | 21:14 |
| elb | yeah I have no idea why things like the brightness setting are so tiny | 21:15 |
| lcuk | and the alarm clock | 21:15 |
| lcuk | those 2 more than anything really irk me | 21:15 |
| johnx | actually, here's my pet peeve: why doesn't the file open dialog take up the whole screen? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | i wake up in the morning and have to stress to try and hit the snooze button | 21:16 |
| elb | volume, brightness, the power button menu, and the network selector are things I regularly use with my finger which are really too small | 21:16 |
| lcuk | theres loads of them john, its because things are designed for normal use, and not specifically for touch | 21:16 |
| johnx | see, I'm not even talking about the individual elements here | 21:16 |
| johnx | I mean the whole window | 21:17 |
| lcuk | take the scroll bars, you cant just make them fatter and expect them to work, the knob should be finger height minimum | 21:17 |
| johnx | it's super-modal so you can't *do* anything else while it's up, so what's the point of leaving free space? | 21:17 |
| johnx | lcuk, you haven't seen the fat scroll bars theme? | 21:17 |
| * lcuk thinks john does see the picture but was playing devils advocate earlier ;) | 21:17 | |
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| lcuk | no i havent actually ill take a look | 21:18 |
| johnx | lcuk, honestly I don't have any problem using the UI with my fingers | 21:18 |
| johnx | I'm used to using smaller elements with my fingers and I find hildon/maemo to be a good trade off between use of screen real estate and finger usability | 21:18 |
| lcuk | screen estate doesnt need to be compromised though for most things - just having lists draggable like the browser - ie without a scrollbar would help some things. and when you do have space making use of it is important | 21:20 |
| lcuk | i design things based on whole screen subdivisions: my display elements are visible from orbit :) | 21:20 |
| johnx | echowb: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17678&page=2 | 21:20 |
| johnx | echo theme with wide scroll bars everywhere :) | 21:21 |
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| johnx | so far it hasn't broken anything here, and all the apps that I've tried cope with it alright | 21:21 |
| lcuk | thanks john :) | 21:21 |
| johnx | yes, the default mini-scrollbars are ridiculous, I'll agree with you there | 21:22 |
| lcuk | they arent if you are meant to hold onto a stylus though | 21:22 |
| johnx | they're a little small for that even, IMHO | 21:23 |
| lcuk | depends if you can "aim" for the gutter at the side of the screen and can use the actual hard gutter to help your aim. if they are in the middle away from the edge they are useless | 21:23 |
| lcuk | its like the "X" in fullscreen windows - on Windows that is the easiest button to hit with your mouse because you aim for the top right and hard boundaries keep the pointer there | 21:24 |
| lcuk | on ubuntu/gnome it pisses me off that the X is not actually in the top | 21:25 |
| johnx | (...because everyone who uses windows maximizes their apps...) | 21:25 |
| johnx | it depends on the theme I think | 21:25 |
| lcuk | that extra panel stops it being easy to close a program (and until i removed the logout it kept popping up) | 21:25 |
| johnx | so move the panel... | 21:25 |
| lcuk | no i know, i was using it as an example | 21:25 |
| johnx | I know what you mean. I've read a couple articles on the Apple HIG and I know the value of screen corners | 21:27 |
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| johnx | that's why on my desktop box each one does something useful | 21:27 |
| lcuk | similar principles are required from nokia | 21:27 |
| Mousey | anybody package freeciv 2.1.4 yet? ;) | 21:27 |
| lcuk | there is a style document somewhere for the new sony device | 21:27 |
| lcuk | that has a load of elements which are generic to touch devices as a whole | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | right, back later | 21:29 |
| johnx | 'later | 21:29 |
| johnx | I should head off to sleep | 21:30 |
| johnx | good talking to you :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | yer john :) discussion helps | 21:30 |
| penguinbait | night! | 21:31 |
| penguinbait | morning | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | afternoon? | 21:32 |
| johnx | ~ugt | 21:32 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 21:32 |
| johnx | :D | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | no no no, only things relative to me are inportant | 21:32 |
| penguinbait | :) | 21:32 |
| johnx | :P | 21:33 |
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| Sveinung | what is the relationship between Maemo and Debian? Is it Debian, a fork that syncs before each relase (like Ubuntu), a fork or a different distro that happends to use deb and apt? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | it is a derivative of debian | 21:46 |
| RST38h | it does not sync, as a whole | 21:46 |
| johnx | AFAIK, they forked from debian circa ~2005 before debian supported ARM EABI, and over time it's diverged somewhat | 21:47 |
| Sveinung | thanks | 21:47 |
| johnx | also, the focus is on embedded use so some changes have been made such as busybox replacing the coreutils | 21:47 |
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| lardman | Anyone happen to know the layout of YUV420 data in the LCD controller? | 21:52 |
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| lardman | ssvb did give me some notes, but I can't remember where they were from | 21:53 |
| lardman | ah ha http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt | 21:57 |
| lcuk | fourcc has a good writeup of most formats | 21:57 |
| lcuk | http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php | 21:57 |
| lardman | not this one, though as it's seemingly specific to our LCD controller | 21:57 |
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| lardman | but thanks :) | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i see what you mean | 21:58 |
| lcuk | ive been wondering why the planar format im using has 4x grey info than the color | 21:58 |
| lcuk | but the yv12 format has 2x | 21:59 |
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| lardman | My DSP task reads a YV12 raw stream (produced by mplayer) but just produces garbage on the screen, so I need to see where I've gone wrong converting | 21:59 |
| lcuk | is this for your dsp blitter | 21:59 |
| lardman | yep | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | experiment :> | 22:00 |
| lcuk | cool :) im watching intently - it may come in handy for the stuff im playing with | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | you will get data properly in the end :) | 22:00 |
| lardman | I'll post the code later on even if I can't work it out as someone else may have more luck seeing the error | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | feed it patterns | 22:00 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: yes, directly from Mplayer internals | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there is some order in the madness :) | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer can be fed static images | 22:01 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: yes, but it's just going to be a mistake in my conversion routine, so I'll see if I can spot it first | 22:01 |
| lcuk | will an application need to setup the dsp to use this lot, or will it just be some ioctl with params? | 22:02 |
| lardman | the plan is to encapsulate it in a library which can be called | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | ioctl with source addr dimensions? :> | 22:02 |
| lardman | the app will need to retain some information and pass it to the library (namely a handle to the device) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | maybe with wait for sync param too? | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | nice, cos it does seem like the dsp is out of reach of standard coding | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | well | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | you know asm | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:03 |
| lardman | nah, if you have the toolchain setup it's all pretty easy | 22:03 |
| lardman | I'm using C atm | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 22:03 |
| lardman | asm is for optimisation, once it all works ;) | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | still even unoptimized it's free cycles | 22:04 |
| lcuk | exactly, its just another thingontop of everything else to learn :) if it can be made into a library as you say the payoff ratio becomes easier for everyone | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | btw. when you feed dsp does it bump cpu to the max? | 22:04 |
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| lardman | KotCzarny: no, atm it pulls the cpu speed back I think | 22:04 |
| lardman | so that the DSP can run at full speed | 22:04 |
| RST38h | it's not directly related | 22:04 |
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| KotCzarny | rst38h: dynamic dsp task automatically switched to 330/220 | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | static task left cpu alone | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | (at the will of cpufreq of course) | 22:05 |
| RST38h | but I am pretty sure it is done in software | 22:05 |
| lcuk | lardman, from what you have seen is it beyond the bounds to ask the dsp to do ummm 3d texture and lighting calculations? ;) | 22:05 |
| lardman | this is all dynamic as otherwise I'd need to change the dsp kernel | 22:05 |
| lardman | lcuk: no idea to be honest, I don't know how stressed the DSP is, but offloading anything would be better than doing it all on the ARM | 22:06 |
| lcuk | yer agreed | 22:06 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:06 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VaAPI or even XvMC might be interesting additions eventually | 22:07 |
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| KotCzarny | dri? | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:08 |
| penguinbait | johnx? | 22:09 |
| johnx | m00? | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | how do I stop matchbox cleanly on this? | 22:09 |
| johnx | I don't do anything with dsme | 22:09 |
| johnx | just kill it | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | I usually source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | ok, | 22:09 |
| johnx | or kill the x server and don't run hildon-session again | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | normal ITOS killing matchbox does not work | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | it will restart | 22:10 |
| johnx | yeah, because they launch it with dsmetool (or whatever...) | 22:10 |
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| penguinbait | ok, cool | 22:10 |
| penguinbait | where is single quote | 22:10 |
| johnx | on the software keyboard or hardware? | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | soft | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | press shift? | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | I did | 22:11 |
| johnx | maybe shift+something? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | or 'char mode switch' ? | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | It shows a single quote next to space bar if I press shift | 22:11 |
| penguinbait | but pressing it gives me a double quote | 22:11 |
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| * johnx is doing a clean xfce install so I'm out of X right now | 22:11 | |
| KotCzarny | i think layout is configurable | 22:11 |
| sbz | does anyone know what is the good repository to have maemo-synergy on apt-get ? | 22:11 |
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| penguinbait | hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux, Linux | 22:17 |
| sbz | BSD is more powerful (ahahaha) | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | leeenoox | 22:17 |
| johnx | that's a great file :D | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | leenoobx | 22:18 |
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| penguinbait | bah! | 22:18 |
| lardman | hmm, my 'task' bar is stuck, ~lart Hardy Heron | 22:18 |
| penguinbait | because it sux more poweR? | 22:18 |
| sbz | so nobody know the good repository ? :/ | 22:19 |
| johnx | lardman, right click, is it locked? | 22:19 |
| lardman | does't respond to any clicking at all | 22:19 |
| lardman | luckily I can still alt-tab | 22:19 |
| johnx | ah, well that's no good | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | sounds stucky situation | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | killall and hope it restarts? | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:20 |
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| lardman | will switch off eventually, see what happens then :) | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | happens to me a lot, I just ctrl-alt-bkspace which isn't good :/ | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | i have never had any hang with fluxbox | 22:20 |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: :) | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | it has a nice 'restart wm' option | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm, :) | 22:21 |
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| KotCzarny | which restarts only wm without killing anything | 22:21 |
| WorkingOnWise | can I plug a standard 3.5mm hands free mic/headphone set into the IT and use it to talk on Skype? | 22:21 |
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| AStorm | okk, finally bought the real Nokia™ AC-4E charger | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, nice | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | i use it when i change displays with xrandr | 22:21 |
| lardman | all that talk of killing wms has brought it back from the dead. well done! | 22:21 |
| AStorm | with added ™ and Nokia™ plug | 22:21 |
| NullM0dem | KotCzarny: its a great feature, until your on another wm and expect it to be a standard :) | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Copy and paste? :p | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | like on gnome? | 22:22 |
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| AStorm | NullM0dem: Sawfish has it, haha | 22:23 |
| AStorm | thus, I win | 22:23 |
| lardman | argh, gedit is as bad as Excel, as soon as the text to be copied has lost focus it won't do it | 22:23 |
| RST38h | hurrah | 22:23 |
| lardman | s/focus/highlight | 22:23 |
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| KotCzarny | use mcedit :> | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder when mc will start using utf too | 22:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | it's mc everything with you :p | 22:24 |
| AStorm | vim for the win! | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: yup | 22:24 |
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| WorkingOnWise | anyone? can I plug a standard 3.5mm hands free mic/headphone set into the IT and use it to talk on Skype and such? | 22:28 |
| lardman | oo, my little band of colour in the corner is looking better - denser at least | 22:29 |
| WorkingOnWise | I tried bluetooth but the sound quality is so bad I didnt waste my time even seeing if I could make a call in Skype with it paired. | 22:29 |
| AStorm | WorkingOnWise: you can | 22:31 |
| hrw | btw - is there good howto for transcoding movies for n8x0? | 22:31 |
| AStorm | but you won't be able to plug the mike | 22:31 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is gonna hate installing fglrx tommorow, I know it... | 22:31 | |
| AStorm | hrw: many | 22:31 |
| AStorm | read ITT forums | 22:31 |
| hrw | other then tablet-encode perl script ofcourse | 22:31 |
| ||cw | that's just a headphone port though isn't it? it would still use the little mic | 22:32 |
| AStorm | yes, there are more | 22:32 |
| AStorm | some mentioned on canola site i.e. | 22:32 |
| AStorm | ||cw: yep | 22:32 |
| AStorm | unless, you find a 2x minijack to 1x 4-wire minijack | 22:32 |
| hrw | ~curse forums | 22:33 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, forums ! | 22:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:33 |
| AStorm | they do | 22:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | so is the 3.5mm jack wired for mic and headphones? | 22:33 |
| AStorm | WorkingOnWise: yes | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | hrw's most sensitive regions are forums? | 22:33 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~curse infobot | 22:33 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! | 22:33 |
| AStorm | they have already | 22:34 |
| AStorm | it has a lot of bugs | 22:34 |
| penguinbait | ok, I give up on Debian, it makes me want to throw my n800 through the wall | 22:34 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: forums mostly contains lot of crap and very small amount of usable data | 22:34 |
| WorkingOnWise | so I just need to find a standard 4 wire hands free kit and I'm home free, like for a cell phone, right? | 22:34 |
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| WorkingOnWise | with the 4 wire 3.5mm end | 22:35 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: in normal world there is also wiki with extracted content | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | penguinbait, ~curse debian? :p | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: that's maemo.org i believe | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:35 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: it is | 22:35 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: crap wiki on crap modem connection | 22:35 |
| NullM0dem | Slackware FTW!!! | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: modem? o.O | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | wiki? | 22:36 |
| NullM0dem | Would like to run slack on my n810 | 22:36 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: so called speed shows that maemo.org is on 33600 modem | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: use google cache? | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:36 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: thats most of my use for that site | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | meh, I think nokia cut costs with the linux side, the main nokia.com loads fine | 22:37 |
| lcuk | all sites experience problems, hell slashdot was down today | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i almost had to do real work today! | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, the horror! :o | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | the workror! | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the horrwork | 22:40 |
| NullM0dem | haha | 22:40 |
| NullM0dem | i was let down as well | 22:40 |
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| KotCzarny | ~let down make love~ | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i tried browsing using archive.org, but realised I had already posted comments in all the articles i tried ;) | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | >.< | 22:41 |
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| * lcuk will make 5000 posts soon | 22:42 | |
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| KotCzarny | and all your dots will get slashed | 22:43 |
| lcuk | although i must say since i got my nokia slash has seemed more meh | 22:43 |
| lcuk | i hope not | 22:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, ow a vasectomy? | 22:43 |
| AStorm | ok, new era of electronics awaits | 22:43 |
| AStorm | 100 Gb/cm2 | 22:44 |
| AStorm | for starters | 22:44 |
| AStorm | (in flash-like memory) | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | that's data throughput or caapcity? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | perpendicular? | 22:44 |
| * lcuk is reminded of the hitachi song | 22:45 | |
| KotCzarny | heh, technical animated ads.. | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | ..no! | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:45 |
| AStorm | http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/processors/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207403582&pgno=2&queryText=&isPrev= | 22:45 |
| AStorm | maybe not the first page :P | 22:45 |
| lcuk | http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html ;) yes | 22:45 |
| AStorm | a new piece - memristor | 22:45 |
| * qwerty12_N800 opens the link... | 22:46 | |
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| KotCzarny | that memristor seems vulnerable to magnetic field, no? | 22:46 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no | 22:47 |
| AStorm | it stores flux parameter of passing electrons | 22:47 |
| AStorm | aka spin | 22:47 |
| AStorm | which slows down electrons of other spin (aka resistance) | 22:48 |
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| AStorm | ofc, current resistance, not voltage | 22:48 |
| lcuk | im waiting for the MCHammerister. it stores state information in overly baggy pants | 22:48 |
| AStorm | lcuk: lol | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: overstuffed computing? | 22:49 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you cant touch them :p | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like an isa in memory district | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | 'stop! hammertime' | 22:49 |
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| woodwizzle | Is it possible to get boost on OS2008 so I can compile a more current wesnoth build? | 22:56 |
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| woodwizzle | 1.4.1 is out on the stable release branch. I wanna see if I can build it, but it has a dependency on boost | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I kinda got installed in sbox (i think headers only) | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I need it for Aleph 1, and maybe deluge | 22:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | is it me or does jott always have nick collision :p | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | maybe he likes it | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | bumping into himself | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 23:00 |
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| pupnik | . | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | o | 23:01 |
| pupnik | O | | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | .-. | 23:02 |
| * lardman is annoyed that the ipod touch doesn't seem to like WPA | 23:02 | |
| KotCzarny | `-' | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | \/\/T|= :p | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | _/\/\/\@ | 23:02 |
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| lardman | not mine of course, the gf's; I'm not defecting | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:04 |
| Cptnodegard | get a new GF | 23:04 |
| NullM0dem | haha | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | your gf is defecting? | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lmaos | 23:04 |
| lcuk | shes defective? | 23:04 |
| Cptnodegard | defective is more like it | 23:04 |
| lardman | :) | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | defecating? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | lol sorry lard | 23:04 |
| lardman | glad she's not looking over my shoulder | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | defecative? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i think apple have done a really neat job with the iphone and it shows that you dont need high resolution all the time | 23:05 |
| lardman | my fault really as I kept stealing back the 770/N800 do do dev work on | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | deformating? | 23:06 |
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| KotCzarny | d'effing? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | i do dev work on the 810 whilst missus is using it, she just looks over and goes "OI!" if i happen to run something which displays a ui | 23:07 |
| lardman | lol | 23:07 |
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| KotCzarny | subliminal messages? | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:08 |
| lardman | I tend to cause lots of watchdog reboots, so probably more noticeable | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol, disable it and walk away whistling when it crashes | 23:09 |
| lcuk | does the dsp exist in its own little world? ive heard you talk about the kernel for it and stuff, i innocently thought you just sent it commands and it did them for you | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | it has it's own access to memory and rest of the stuff i think | 23:10 |
| lcuk | or are the commands entire strands of program code | 23:10 |
| lardman | yeah, it lives in its own world | 23:10 |
| lardman | it has access to its own memory, and to the mmu, so can share some memory with the arm | 23:11 |
| lardman | the commands are indeed complete code, they are dynamically loaded modules which execute in a thread | 23:11 |
| lardman | aargh, I thought I'd fixed it - spotted 4 mistakes, but no | 23:14 |
| woodwizzle | ssh with X forwarding the best way to do remote desktop to a linux box? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | so essentially its like having a total other *foreign* cpu inside the box with a minimum of crossover - instructions and sizes and stuff is different - like having a 68k and an x86 inside the same box. | 23:15 |
| woodwizzle | sorry... is ssh with X... | 23:16 |
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| NullM0dem | lardman: your playing with the builtin DSP on the nokia? | 23:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: yes | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | woodwizzle: vnc over ssh | 23:16 |
| lardman | NullM0dem: yep | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | nm: 'you're' | 23:16 |
| NullM0dem | Cool, have a project page up? | 23:16 |
| * lcuk is starting to understand a little bit more | 23:16 | |
| woodwizzle | KotCzarny: Thanks again :-) | 23:16 |
| NullM0dem | my grammer is bad sorry | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | nm: :) | 23:16 |
| lardman | NullM0dem: my home page (see posts to maemo-developers for details): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/ and dsp-tremor project on Garage | 23:17 |
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| NullM0dem | thanks! | 23:17 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm always happy to talk about it | 23:18 |
| lardman | NullM0dem: np | 23:18 |
| lcuk | well i'll buy the first beer then :) | 23:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I would wub someone 4 eva if they did a2dp/sbc on dsp :/ | 23:18 |
| lardman | and no more comments about the gf as she'll be there too! | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:18 |
| lcuk | is nokia paying for her? | 23:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 23:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N800: now that you say that, I've just sumbitted a project to Garage as I have 2 people who want to collaborate on that | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | 'nokia's paid gfs' | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | now that's something | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lardman, nice :) | 23:19 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm not sure they're even paying for me; no reply from Quim so I'm just going ahead and booking | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | who is watching the apprentice (uk) at this moment? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | fair enough, im in a holding pattern with the travel agency at the moment, ive sent requested dates etc so will see what happens | 23:20 |
| lardman | multitasking! | 23:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: we were thinking about heading over at some point so thought we'd kill 2 birds, etc. | 23:20 |
| lcuk | so your misses is heavily into linux as well then | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ;) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | missus | 23:21 |
| lardman | nah, cursing me from the living room for ignoring her :) | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | misses = plural? :/ | 23:21 |
| lcuk | then go be with her. linux has been growing for years and will carry on regardless, she will get upset with you | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 23:22 |
| lardman | yeah, but it annoys me if I don't finish something | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | and n8x0 is portable | 23:22 |
| lardman | 5min more | 23:22 |
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| NullM0dem | I had a girl that hacke don linux it was great | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | so you can develop everywhere :) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | "i can't come to bed now, someone is wrong on the internet" | 23:22 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 23:23 |
| pupnik | that must bt xckd | 23:23 |
| pupnik | e | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's internet | 23:23 |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/386/ | 23:23 |
| lcuk | of course pupnik | 23:23 |
| lcuk | pupnik, have you stalked any more traffic cone watching winter coats recently? | 23:24 |
| lardman | argh | 23:24 |
| lardman | anyway, time for some TV, then perhaps back to cursing the DSP :) | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | battery dying. bye. | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | cya lard | 23:25 |
| pupnik | have some more nice pics yes. what's the hotel name lcuk? | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | i dont know yet | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | i think they are frantically calling round to find rooms | 23:25 |
| lcuk | im gonna dive into vmware, i might not be out for a while | 23:27 |
| pupnik | what's to dive into | 23:27 |
| pupnik | download, configure, run | 23:27 |
| lcuk | ive got a few things which ive been procrastinating on | 23:27 |
| lcuk | like finishing the file selection and loading/saving sketches | 23:28 |
| lcuk | (i need sketches so i can make resolution independent button glyphs | 23:28 |
| * lcuk renames his vmware "shed" | 23:28 | |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:28 |
| pupnik | Arthur. Two-sheds. Jackson. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | monty python? should be interesting | 23:29 |
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| pupnik | nice catch | 23:30 |
| lcuk | send a mail to google and thank them ;0 | 23:30 |
| lcuk | ) | 23:30 |
| pupnik | ah. i figure if you're going to quote python, be obscure | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:30 |
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| flo_lap | re | 23:31 |
| lcuk | what does re mean | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | re-hi | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | re means hi? which language? | 23:33 |
| * lcuk is confused | 23:33 | |
| KotCzarny | re means hi again | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | or i'm back | 23:33 |
| lcuk | :D finally the light dawns | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i thought it was just a typo lol but then i noticed a few people do it | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | new to the internet, eh? | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | new to irc yes :) | 23:34 |
| flo_lap | ljp_hawaii: enjoy :) | 23:34 |
| * lcuk proves his n00b status | 23:35 | |
| KotCzarny | n00b, everyone has it | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | they just hide it under ;) | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | i dont mind not knowing. if i never learn however i will be upset | 23:35 |
| pupnik | Very well. Let us talk, I will isolate myself. I do not expect anything important will happen for the next five minutes-for I can give you fully five minutes, Kuno. Then I must deliver my lecture on "Music during the Australian Period." | 23:35 |
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| * KotCzarny is still dizzy | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | pupnik, that would have made just as much sense if you had ended it with "emulators everywhere!" ;) | 23:37 |
| pupnik | ever read 'the machine stops' by e.m. forster lcuk? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | no - scifi? | 23:37 |
| pupnik | http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html | 23:37 |
| pupnik | yes, from 1909 | 23:37 |
| pupnik | save it for sometime when you can savor it | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | that just makes me want to incorporate wget into my book reader ;) | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | have you ever noticed that old technology looks funny, but naked women over the ages are still attractive? | 23:39 |
| pupnik | i'd include that text as default in the book reader | 23:39 |
| pupnik | heh, wellll | 23:39 |
| pupnik | beauty ideals do change | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: wget is a simple function | 23:40 |
| lcuk | naked women over the ages? just how old are we talking here? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | milfs or gilfs? | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | naked women | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
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| RST38h | Kot: not to mention the eternal nature of scatological jokes | 23:40 |
| lcuk | but ugly women have existed over the ages as well | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | without specifying any particular group | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | yes, they do | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i agree in principle kot, bu hair in the wrong places spoils most older imagery | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have a problem with hair in places | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's natural | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | and body's way to protect itself | 23:42 |
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| KotCzarny | now, if you start trying to override it.. | 23:42 |
| lcuk | a line is drawn where a hairy women begins to look like a shot putter called Helgar | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | on the photoshop induced principle.. | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's like breeding dogs | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | they look cute but they are crippled | 23:43 |
| lcuk | hair doesnt protect you - in humans its a scent holding mechanism | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, want me to find an article of a man who shaved his ass hair? | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:44 |
| lcuk | if it protected you it would grow in exposed places - women would have hairy chests and stomachs | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | and discoveries what those hair are for? | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:44 |
| lcuk | go for it - im all for learning | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | k, i'll try to find it | 23:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:44 |
| * lcuk refuses to search google for shaving a blokes arse | 23:45 | |
| KotCzarny | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/35274458.html | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | here you are | 23:45 |
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| KotCzarny | ah, i think it's a woman | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, thats over exagerating | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, but shaving and then using aluminium based antiperspirants? | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | that's just plain sick | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | and it's our consumption based culture that drives people sick/sad | 23:49 |
| lcuk | how about not going all the way, there is a compromise for almost every situation | 23:49 |
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| dougt | for a second I wondered wtf irc channel i was lurking on. | 23:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:50 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, but it only proves how little people know about body functions | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | and world in general | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
| lcuk | hey - you could use the 810 as a mirror in a tricky situation | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it has a cam | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | you know | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:50 |
| dougt | lcuk: you could stream video! | 23:50 |
| dougt | that just might kill the internets. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | no, goatse could stream video, someone else could just use it to make sure they dont get razorburn | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: anyway, i prefer health to easthetics (correct spelling?) | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | *aesthetics | 23:53 |
| jaska | aesthetics | 23:53 |
| lcuk | couldnt agree more :) (spelling unimportant) | 23:53 |
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| KotCzarny | not that both aren't important | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | aesthetics is for healthy mind :) | 23:55 |
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| * lcuk retires to his shed | 23:55 | |
| KotCzarny | have fun | 23:55 |
| lcuk | i will | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Weird | 23:58 |
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| RST38h | The ENTER button on Apple BT keyboard does not get recognized | 23:58 |
| RST38h | What the hell its key code? | 23:58 |
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| KotCzarny | try xev | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:59 |
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| RST38h | Oh, its GDK_Return, same as the center button on N800 =( | 23:59 |
| RST38h | Shit, what do I do now? | 23:59 |
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