IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-04-29

KotCzarny	i mean no for mousey	00:00
Mousey	oh!	00:00
KotCzarny	yes for rst38h	00:00
Mousey	k, ty!	00:00
AStorm	zakkm: update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove	00:00
fysa	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html	00:00
AStorm	then apt-get remove metalayer-crawler0	00:00
AStorm	(you can skip that last step)	00:00
fysa	http://physik.de/770/	00:00
fysa	sorry, ignore the second link	00:01
fysa	the first one is interesting	00:01
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fysa	oh, the screenshot is good.	00:01
fysa	that's in chroot	00:01
zakkm	how much space would it require to run i guess a different distro? + *box .. preferably fluxbox ?	00:01
zakkm	storage space	00:01
AStorm	zakkm: at least 1GB	00:01
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AStorm	2GB is safer	00:01
KotCzarny	o.o	00:01
zakkm	dang	00:01
zakkm	ok nevermind	00:01
zakkm	cant afford	00:01
Grackle	I really need to get some more storage. 384MB is not really enough.	00:02
KotCzarny	but you still may try trimming it	00:02
* Grackle tests out gcc		00:02
zakkm	i only have the 64mb that came with it	00:02
zakkm	but i dont want KDE or anything	00:02
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zakkm	so. . how do i install skype ?	00:03
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Atarii	application manager > installable applications > skype	00:03
Atarii	but it doesnt work	00:03
zakkm	why not	00:03
Atarii	it logs in	00:03
Atarii	but cant do voice calls	00:03
zakkm	dang	00:04
Atarii	complains about recording device or something	00:04
zakkm	thats why i wnated my nokia? i guess im stuck with gizmo	00:04
zakkm	skype has unlimited canada +US for $3 a month?	00:04
Atarii	2007he does skype	00:04
zakkm	ah w.e	00:04
zakkm	uhmm .. why is that i cant connect to open wifi's?	00:04
zakkm	like some work most dont	00:04
zakkm	like 10% of them work	00:05
Atarii	too far away?	00:05
zakkm	would the fact i upgraded to 2008HE from 2006HE change that	00:05
zakkm	no like close	00:05
zakkm	im in highschool .. and i walked around and half didnt work	00:05
lcuk2	too close?	00:05
zakkm	i got a network connection error	00:05
dholbert	zakkm: can you connect to them with a laptop?	00:05
zakkm	yeah	00:05
Atarii	walking too fast?	00:05
zakkm	ppls iphones work	00:05
zakkm	no .. i stopped checked.. walked a bit.. stopped check	00:05
lcuk2	oooh thats goota sting	00:05
zakkm	people have iphones in school i even asked people	00:06
lcuk2	right - i give up. im never typing in here again. (until i do)	00:06
zakkm	i only got access from guidance in school	00:06
zakkm	frm like 30 hotspots	00:06
AStorm	zakkm: there is a bug in udhcp, well	00:06
zakkm	will my 2006 to 2008 switch help ?	00:06
AStorm	might	00:06
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NullM0dem	cant you manually renew lease from a terminal	00:06
zakkm	i dont mind if theres no way.. i just dont want to miss the fix if there is?	00:06
zakkm	also	00:06
zakkm	some wifis give me gizmo / rss update / application install/update .. but not web?	00:07
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NullM0dem	sounds like dns issues	00:07
zakkm	so my nokia is fine?	00:07
zakkm	i bought it used on ebay last week lol	00:07
Grackle	oops, need to install libc6-dev	00:07
zakkm	$85 -- nokia 770	00:07
zakkm	Gracle: me ?	00:07
NullM0dem	nice	00:07
Grackle	No, I do.	00:07
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zakkm	o	00:08
Grackle	Haha!	00:08
zakkm	sorry ^^;; .. anyone know a good site for nokia backgrounds?	00:08
Grackle	Awesome!	00:08
* Grackle has a working gcc		00:08
AStorm	whee, now I have Vorbis in Canola	00:08
lcuk2	Grackle, which repo was it in	00:08
* AStorm wins!		00:08
zakkm	oh	00:08
zakkm	will canola work on 2008HE for me?	00:08
* AStorm is actually made of win		00:08
AStorm	zakkm: should, yes	00:08
Grackle	lcuk2, I installed from the repo that scratchbox uses	00:09
NullM0dem	zakkm: im not sure of the bug that AStorm was tlaking about but udhcp is i assumer responsible for getting ips from hotspots and ensuring correct DNS.	00:09
zakkm	on the blog post it said something like something works but canola doesnt?	00:09
AStorm	NullM0dem: yes	00:09
AStorm	zakkm: you have to do some manual setup	00:09
zakkm	the ip is fine	00:09
Grackle	deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free	00:09
AStorm	add ogg-support-lms	00:09
AStorm	install libvorbis0a by hand, then that ogg-support-lms	00:09
zakkm	Grackle: i add that?	00:09
AStorm	these after installing real ogg-support package	00:09
Atarii	zakkm i havnt got canola to work with 2008he yet	00:10
zakkm	oh	00:10
Grackle	sorry zakkm, I should prefix my messages with the recipient's nick.. I was talking to lcuk2	00:10
zakkm	thanks :P	00:10
lcuk2	i spotted thanks Grackle	00:10
Atarii	but i think there was a post on itt forum that it does work	00:10
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Grackle	This is very cool.	00:10
zakkm	would debian itself be faster than 2008HE ?	00:10
zakkm	with like fluxbox or somethin	00:10
AStorm	might be	00:11
towo	(What's with the HE?)	00:11
AStorm	but not a lot	00:11
NullM0dem	flux is sort of heavy vs openbox pekwm	00:11
Grackle	hacker edition	00:11
AStorm	towo: HE is version for SU-18	00:11
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AStorm	that is, Nokia 770	00:11
towo	Ah.	00:11
Atarii	lol AStorm	00:11
zakkm	Null: i dont like pekwm	00:11
AStorm	;P	00:11
zakkm	and openbox dont like lol	00:11
towo	Vor people using old hardware, I see. ;)	00:11
AStorm	yep	00:11
zakkm	i really do like fluxbox.. i dont care about its low system requirements	00:11
NullM0dem	me niether but it uses very little ram )	00:11
Atarii	AStorm see if you can make SU-18 "catch on"	00:11
fysa	ratpoison	00:11
zakkm	no way	00:12
AStorm	awesome	00:12
zakkm	not ratpoison	00:12
zakkm	next your say is dwm :P	00:12
NullM0dem	heh	00:12
AStorm	or ion3	00:12
AStorm	alternatively, dwm if you're feeling minimal	00:12
zakkm	i dont like those	00:12
zakkm	tried on gentoo	00:12
NullM0dem	try openbox yet?	00:12
AStorm	ok then, I suggest xfwm4	00:12
AStorm	that is, Xfce	00:12
fysa	ratpoison is perfect on my media center box ;)	00:12
zakkm	nah	00:12
zakkm	i like fluxbox	00:12
zakkm	i prefer fluxbox over xfwm4	00:12
NullM0dem	windowmaker!!!	00:12
AStorm	well, flux might be too slow, but your pick	00:12
NullM0dem	i use flux too	00:12
zakkm	NullM0dem: on your nokia?	00:13
Grackle	gnome!	00:13
NullM0dem	but i do know it uses more memory than openbox	00:13
* Grackle gets flamed		00:13
KotCzarny	textconsole!	00:13
zakkm	lol	00:13
AStorm	Grackle: Hildon is GNOME	00:13
AStorm	so you lose	00:13
zakkm	links!! irssi!!! ^^	00:13
elb	hildon is not exactly GNOME	00:13
AStorm	maybe matchbox in non-nokia config?	00:13
zakkm	Hildon?	00:13
Grackle	AStorm, haha, well, everyone seemed to be listing off lightweight stuff, and gnome is huge.	00:13
zakkm	whats Hildon	00:13
AStorm	elb: it's mobile gnome ;)	00:13
NullM0dem	mine is not here yet :( I have setup X on many mnay low end machines where i have had to work ith very little ram	00:13
AStorm	zakkm: it's the toolkit you use when using Maemo	00:14
zakkm	ah	00:14
zakkm	ah	00:14
zakkm	i want to try fluxbox on my nokia	00:14
zakkm	or fvwm	00:14
AStorm	both will suck	00:14
AStorm	esp. fvwm, with the amount of M4 interpreting	00:14
Grackle	Does hildon actually use parts of gnome, or just gtk?	00:14
AStorm	Grackle: some, yes	00:14
zakkm	anyone know a nice site with backgrounds.. nice ones for my 770	00:14
NullM0dem	remember you need 3 button mouse in flux to be efficiant	00:14
NullM0dem	alt-tab etc	00:14
AStorm	yeah, and you get only two	00:15
zakkm	taskbar? :P	00:15
NullM0dem	true	00:15
AStorm	and the second is hard to access	00:15
zakkm	its touchscreen .. -.-	00:15
AStorm	taskbar eats screen	00:15
Grackle	zakkm: your best bet might be to look in the screenshots thread on internettablettalk.com	00:15
NullM0dem	and razm	00:15
zakkm	i did Grackle	00:15
zakkm	and i saw fvwm-crystal and fluxbox	00:15
zakkm	but no guide or anything..	00:15
zakkm	and they were like n800's	00:15
NullM0dem	some people like to show off what they port, though it doesent ensure usability :)	00:16
zakkm	vnc?	00:17
zakkm	hey would vnc go like fullscreen?	00:17
Grackle	Does chinook on the 800 expect mmc2 to be there?	00:17
zakkm	so i would only see the remote screen?	00:17
KotCzarny	nm; not true, it's all up to config	00:17
AStorm	whee, now my Canola pwnz and I can drop the stupid media player	00:17
zakkm	cause that would be wicked	00:17
AStorm	for ever	00:17
zakkm	Astorm: Mplayer?	00:17
Grackle	That is, if I mount the internal card somewhere else, will it care?	00:17
zakkm	GMLauncher to be exact ;p	00:17
AStorm	zakkm: canola uses it	00:18
NullM0dem	zakkm	00:18
NullM0dem	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10214	00:18
zakkm	oh really	00:18
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AStorm	yes, it does	00:18
zakkm	omg get me canola :D	00:18
AStorm	although messes that up slightly	00:18
AStorm	that is, scales movies to fullscreen or full window	00:18
AStorm	ignoring aspect ratio	00:18
edugof	anyone knows how can i call from my n800 to a local phone??	00:18
zakkm	lol	00:18
zakkm	i only download 4:3	00:18
edugof	i think is with gizmo, but i don't know why	00:18
zakkm	edugof: buy $10 gizmo	00:19
zakkm	and run gizmo .. i use it in school	00:19
zakkm	to call home ;p	00:19
edugof	yeah zakkm	00:19
edugof	other options	00:19
edugof	free options!	00:19
edugof	xD	00:19
zakkm	oh	00:19
zakkm	there is a guide for free on the wiki	00:19
edugof	i use on the pc voipbuster	00:19
dholbert	edugof: none that I'm aware of	00:19
zakkm	skype does $3 unlimited US + CANADA	00:19
zakkm	?	00:19
edugof	ah	00:19
zakkm	$3 a month	00:19
edugof	ok, go see wiki	00:19
lcuk2	anyone know the name of the SDL dev package?	00:19
AStorm	zakkm: so you'd have a minor problem with canola	00:19
KotCzarny	apt-cache search sdl	00:20
zakkm	can i install it?	00:20
zakkm	can i have the deb please	00:20
zakkm	dont have wireless net at home	00:20
lcuk2	thx :)	00:20
AStorm	hmm, mplayer .27 is still slower than .25	00:20
AStorm	as in 2/3 the speed	00:20
AStorm	slow enough to skip frames ;P	00:21
zakkm	;o	00:21
zakkm	can you get me .25 ?	00:21
zakkm	please :D	00:21
AStorm	simple, just download it off the repositories	00:22
zakkm	i have no wireless at home	00:22
zakkm	and im home.	00:22
zakkm	i need the deb's	00:22
lcuk2	yes, just get them off the repo	00:22
zakkm	oh	00:22
lcuk2	browse with computer and search within	00:23
zakkm	what is the repo?	00:23
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AStorm	repositories.maemo.org/whatwasithavetogoogle/	00:23
KotCzarny	i think fanoush released tearsync kernel for 770 not so long time ago	00:23
Atarii	http://www.gronmayer.com/it	00:23
zakkm	whats tearsync kernel?	00:24
zakkm	whats tearsync?	00:24
lcuk2	it makes all the tears sync	00:24
lcuk2	ed	00:24
KotCzarny	trick to get a stable image	00:24
Atarii	when you cry because you break your nokia but the battery isnt charged	00:24
Atarii	ask AStorm	00:24
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AStorm	Atarii: ...	00:26
AStorm	my Nokia isn't broken, dude ;)	00:26
Atarii	not anymore...	00:26
AStorm	ok then, tearsync is the kernel with vsync	00:26
AStorm	enabled double buffering between gfx chip and lcd controller	00:26
zakkm	cant seem to browse the repo on my pc?	00:27
zakkm	http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free	00:27
zakkm	oh	00:27
AStorm	no no, it's a subfolder	00:28
KotCzarny	try http://repository.maemo.org/pool/	00:28
AStorm	yes, pool	00:28
KotCzarny	or http://repository.maemo.org/dist/	00:28
AStorm	no, pool	00:28
zakkm	thank you	00:28
ssvb	AStorm: no, screen update DMA transfer is just synchronized with VSYNC, there is no double buffering	00:28
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ssvb	AStorm: at least on 770	00:29
lcuk2	failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/libX11.a': No space left on device	00:29
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lcuk2	:(	00:29
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lcuk2	captain, she needs more space	00:29
zakkm	cant seem to find canola2?	00:29
ssvb	AStorm: what did you say about mplayer .27 slowness?	00:29
KotCzarny	zakkm: it's not in default repos	00:29
KotCzarny	google for it	00:29
* Grackle opens the airlock to let some space in		00:29
AStorm	ssvb: that it is slower than .25	00:30
AStorm	quite visibly	00:30
AStorm	but better than .26	00:30
ssvb	AStorm: any details?	00:30
AStorm	no details	00:30
AStorm	2/3 of its speed	00:30
KotCzarny	do the -benchmark trick	00:30
lcuk2	if i teleport myself over to an MMC will i be able to continue the install even though the locations will have changed	00:30
zakkm	wish i bought a nokia 800 now :P	00:30
AStorm	KotCzarny: ok, why not	00:30
AStorm	ssvb: slower in embedded mode	00:30
ssvb	AStorm: that's bad, because I don;t have such videos	00:30
AStorm	what "such"	00:31
AStorm	embedded mode is used e.g. by Canola	00:31
AStorm	it is fast in normal mode	00:31
AStorm	better than .25	00:31
Atarii	what size is the internal 770 memory?	00:31
AStorm	I suspect scaling is borked	00:31
zakkm	128mb	00:31
AStorm	no	00:31
AStorm	64MB	00:31
ssvb	AStorm: try to test -vo xv	00:31
AStorm	ssvb: huh, I test with what Canola uses	00:32
ssvb	that's exactly what is used in embedded mode	00:32
AStorm	I think it does use -vo xv	00:32
Atarii	so why doesnt the OS fit on a mmc < 1gb?	00:32
KotCzarny	os fits	00:32
KotCzarny	mine used ~360mb	00:32
AStorm	ssvb: testing...	00:32
KotCzarny	but it was about other distros	00:32
ssvb	AStorm: what are you waiting then? ;) file a bug with benchmark results for both older and newer builds of mplayer with -vo xv output	00:33
ssvb	ok, I hope we will find out something interesting	00:33
KotCzarny	ssvb: anoush agreed to include op patch :)	00:33
KotCzarny	fanoush	00:33
zakkm	how do you rotate the screen in 2008HE?	00:33
AStorm	ssvb: I don't know how to benchmark that canola setup	00:33
Atarii	you cant zakkm	00:34
KotCzarny	zakkm: 770 can't	00:34
Atarii	:(	00:34
zakkm	oh ok	00:34
zakkm	thanks :P	00:34
AStorm	it scales the movie w/o aspect	00:34
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AStorm	I suspect that slows it down	00:34
zakkm	uhm whoever said it was 64mb is wrong	00:34
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ssvb	AStorm: it does not matter, scaling is free	00:34
zakkm	in 2008HE storage details total size: 123.5mb	00:34
AStorm	zakkm: it's 64MB of memory	00:34
ssvb	it does not consume any extra resources	00:34
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AStorm	128 MB of internal flash	00:34
AStorm	ssvb: hmm	00:35
lardman	hmm, am I going mad, I seem to remember seeing some output about the 770's framebuffer at the start of the dmesg output	00:35
AStorm	-vo xv is slower than no -vo	00:35
* lcuk2 likes free scaling :)		00:35
zakkm	it says 18mb avaliable.. does that mean i only have 18mb for apps"?	00:35
AStorm	but not that much	00:35
AStorm	somewhat, visibly	00:35
ssvb	AStorm: surely it's slower, everything has its price, but I'm more interested in performance regression verification	00:35
AStorm	hmmhmm	00:36
AStorm	Ok, will test	00:36
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zakkm	can anyone help me find the link for mplayer .25 deb? for 2008HE?	00:37
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ssvb	zakkm: it does not exist, at least I haven't built it	00:37
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AStorm	wait, not .25	00:38
AStorm	.24	00:38
AStorm	.25 was bad too	00:38
Atarii	lol	00:38
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ssvb	zakkm: but it should be possible to build a package for OS2008HE	00:38
zakkm	i dont want to build myself :(	00:38
zakkm	not running linux on my OS.. and dont have net on my nokia	00:38
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zakkm	to download all the libs and all to compile	00:39
Grackle	zakkm, you should get the scratchbox vmware image, it makes life much easier.	00:39
zakkm	what is it?	00:40
zakkm	is it the nokia in a virtual machine?	00:40
AStorm	ssvb: test it vs .flv	00:40
Grackle	http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/	00:40
AStorm	you should be able to easily see it	00:40
Grackle	It's a virtual machine with the scratchbox build environment installed.	00:40
edugof	anyone knows why i can't see the wallpaper now?	00:41
edugof	i only reboot the device	00:41
zakkm	omg lol	00:41
lcuk2	zakkm, dont bother looking for an earlier package of mplayer for now - low hanging fruit. get the latest and see if it works well for you before messing with older things	00:41
zakkm	i cant even find the lastest -.-	00:41
AStorm	ssvb: benchmark shows no difference	00:41
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AStorm	but testing on live .flv shows a lot	00:42
AStorm	.24 doesn't skip	00:42
AStorm	.27 skips moderately	00:42
ssvb	AStorm: try -ao esd	00:42
AStorm	testing	00:42
AStorm	hmm, I'll download some .flv :>	00:42
KotCzarny	and -noframeskip ?	00:43
KotCzarny	or something	00:43
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AStorm	KotCzarny: nope	00:43
ssvb	also with -benchmark option, you should get a precise statistics about how many frames were skipped exactly	00:43
AStorm	ahh, ok	00:43
AStorm	but how can I make canola grab that	00:43
AStorm	anyway, need some .flv first	00:43
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AStorm	that is, mytube ;P	00:44
edugof	omfg	00:44
ssvb	AStorm: don't use canola, try mplayer form xterm with '-vo xv' option	00:44
edugof	anyone knows why now i can't see the wallpaper?	00:44
KotCzarny	or better from ssh :)	00:44
AStorm	it does use xv anyway	00:44
AStorm	so no need for the option	00:44
KotCzarny	easier to paste results	00:44
KotCzarny	:)	00:44
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AStorm	KotCzarny: indeed, but I'm not that adventurous	00:45
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KotCzarny	edugof: nope	00:45
ssvb	KotCzarny: from xterm on your PC in a ssh session ;)	00:45
AStorm	where is that youtube?	00:45
KotCzarny	i use aterm :)	00:45
edugof	:(	00:45
AStorm	uhm, youtube downloader?	00:45
KotCzarny	astorm: does canola cache .flvs ?	00:45
AStorm	yes, but I'm not sure I have any in there, let me check	00:45
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AStorm	no .flv here	00:47
AStorm	hmm	00:47
AStorm	any downloader I can use?	00:47
KotCzarny	wget	00:48
KotCzarny	:)	00:48
Atarii	we need an IRC bot to do the equivilant of http://www.gronmayer.com/it	00:48
KotCzarny	gime me youtube link and i will give you wget link	00:48
KotCzarny	atarii, i think infobot does that already	00:49
AStorm	Just grab one random Tom and Jerry ;P	00:49
KotCzarny	tom and jarry ? :P	00:49
AStorm	but not the one with T&J in front	00:49
AStorm	;P	00:49
AStorm	KotCzarny: why not? ;P	00:49
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KotCzarny	astorm: wget 'www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=Vx89Hvf29N8&t=OEgsToPDskLImjsqmwdcX2QDgUg2g9pB'	00:51
AStorm	tinyurl?	00:51
AStorm	;>	00:51
AStorm	I have to retype that	00:51
KotCzarny	http://tiny.pl/nr1x	00:52
zakkm	should i listen to the battery monitor on the nokia? i keep reading that i shouldnt?	00:53
KotCzarny	depends	00:53
AStorm	it is fairly accurate	00:53
zakkm	it went down a bit	00:53
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zakkm	though i havnet charged for about 12 hours	00:53
AStorm	which is correct	00:54
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AStorm	the full "battery gauge" is about 1h	00:54
zakkm	ahhh 2008 is wicked :D	00:54
AStorm	maybe a bit more	00:54
zakkm	?	00:54
AStorm	1-2h	00:54
zakkm	i can only get 1-2 hrs out of my nokia?	00:54
AStorm	depending on usage	00:54
AStorm	no, the gauge is mostly full	00:54
AStorm	only starts emptying if the battery runs down a lot	00:55
zakkm	ooo	00:55
zakkm	so full = 1hr+ ?	00:55
AStorm	yes	00:56
zakkm	so i should charge it when i see a bit going down?	00:56
AStorm	click the gauge and it'll display remaining time	00:56
edugof	hum	00:56
zakkm	nothing happens	00:56
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AStorm	zakkm: well, you can charge it when you want	00:56
AStorm	huh?	00:56
zakkm	i meant like	00:56
zakkm	should i ?	00:56
edugof	anyone knows how make phone calls from the n800 out of the US? :P	00:56
zakkm	maybe its not in 2008HE?	00:56
AStorm	nah, you only should charge it if it's red	00:56
AStorm	zakkm: still should be there	00:56
zakkm	k	00:56
KotCzarny	astorm: not true	00:56
AStorm	after clicking, a balloon should appear	00:56
zakkm	LIAR! lol	00:57
zakkm	its not working?	00:57
AStorm	you can charge it any time you want	00:57
KotCzarny	yup	00:57
zakkm	the volume / net / brightness goes fine?	00:57
KotCzarny	that's more true	00:57
KotCzarny	:)	00:57
AStorm	zakkm: hmm	00:57
zakkm	any way to lower font size?	00:57
AStorm	weird, probably OS2008HE bug	00:57
zakkm	like lower dpi?	00:57
AStorm	zakkm: yes, use another GTK theme	00:57
KotCzarny	install another theme	00:57
AStorm	no, don't touch DPI	00:57
AStorm	there are 12pt and 14pt version of two default themes	00:57
zakkm	whats default?	00:58
zakkm	12pt?	00:58
AStorm	no, 16pt	00:58
zakkm	wow	00:58
zakkm	ok can i get the 12pt?	00:58
zakkm	deb?	00:58
AStorm	yes, the screen is 225dpi	00:58
AStorm	zakkm: from repos	00:58
zakkm	though im using nvouclear theme?	00:58
zakkm	heard of it?	00:58
AStorm	use the gronmayer	00:58
AStorm	yes, I know	00:58
AStorm	for nuvoclear, you'll have to edit the theme or your gtkrc	00:58
zakkm	i dont want the theme program :P	00:59
AStorm	ok, dled, testing	00:59
zakkm	can i edit the gtkrc?	00:59
zakkm	didnt install nano :(	00:59
zakkm	well i had to flash 2008 ..	00:59
AStorm	KotCzarny: kill you, I will	00:59
KotCzarny	mrr?	00:59
AStorm	you gave me some mishmash, but oh well	00:59
AStorm	when I say Tom and Jerry, I mean it, not some spoof with modified soundtrack	01:00
AStorm	;P	01:00
KotCzarny	second hit from google	01:00
AStorm	mishit ;P	01:00
KotCzarny	i have volume==0 so :P	01:00
AStorm	it's a mashup anyway	01:00
KotCzarny	could have missed it	01:00
KotCzarny	:)	01:00
AStorm	should've noticed	01:00
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AStorm	anyway, no skips here with .24	01:01
AStorm	and by no I mean 0	01:01
lardman	I don't suppose it's possible to compile a 770 kernel with a chinook toolchain is it?	01:01
AStorm	lardman: it is, why not?	01:02
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AStorm	just give proper -march	01:02
AStorm	(kernel takes care of that)	01:02
lardman	AStorm: different abi?	01:02
AStorm	same abi	01:02
AStorm	ARMv4	01:02
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AStorm	AKA arm-none-linux-gnueabi	01:02
lardman	hmm, I thought there had been a change to EABI?	01:02
AStorm	it was EABI from the start	01:03
ssvb	AStorm: OS2005 used OABI	01:03
lardman	ah, that's ok then, I'll give it a go	01:03
AStorm	ssvb: yep, but not OS2006	01:03
lardman	hmm	01:03
lardman	what was os2006, Mistral, Gregale?	01:04
AStorm	ssvb: with .24, there were 13 drops out of 5563 frames	01:04
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AStorm	testing .27	01:04
ssvb	lardman: and scirocco too, these were sequential minor updates 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2	01:05
lardman	ssvb: can you remember if these were EABI or OABI?	01:05
zakkm	AStorm: so what is the best so far?	01:06
ssvb	lardman: these are all EABI	01:06
lardman	or was OABI only maemo 1.x?	01:06
ssvb	yes	01:06
AStorm	zakkm: what best?	01:06
lardman	ok, makes life easier, thanks chaps	01:06
AStorm	hmm, in non-embedded mode, I can't see the difference	01:06
AStorm	or barely can see	01:06
AStorm	maybe it's embedded mode that makes a large diff	01:07
KotCzarny	or watching from net	01:07
AStorm	btw, in .27, movie is scaled with aspect	01:07
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ssvb	AStorm: is it a good or bad thing?	01:08
AStorm	good	01:08
zakkm	nonembedded mode?	01:08
AStorm	zakkm: mplayer can be embedded, it's some switch	01:08
KotCzarny	It doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose.	01:08
KotCzarny	lol	01:08
AStorm	it can then paint	01:08
Atarii	zakkm did you find the 12/14pt themes?	01:08
AStorm	on an already existing canvas	01:08
AStorm	hmm, .27 dropped 10 frames	01:09
AStorm	but in embedded mode, it's visibly worse	01:09
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AStorm	really, easily visibly	01:09
AStorm	want a movie of that?	01:09
AStorm	(fortunately, I have a webcam)	01:10
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NullM0dem	anyone here order from new egg?	01:10
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ssvb	AStorm: ok, thank you, I'll try to look into it	01:12
AStorm	KotCzarny: care to give me a link to "Is there a doctor in the mouse?" instead?	01:12
KotCzarny	link on yt?	01:12
AStorm	yep	01:13
KotCzarny	i mean give me proper link on yt	01:13
AStorm	ssvb: the skips are regular	01:13
AStorm	not action based	01:13
KotCzarny	that i will convert	01:13
AStorm	like, every second	01:13
AStorm	KotCzarny: nah, just enter that string in the search	01:13
AStorm	alternatively, author: GhidPitesti	01:13
AStorm	ssvb: they are like, every second	01:14
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AStorm	maybe it's file transfer	01:14
unixSnob	I've noticed the flash player unable to handle web pages quite often lately. BBC News flash videos stopped working.	01:15
AStorm	it depends, here it does quite well	01:15
KotCzarny	astorm: http://tiny.pl/nr1w	01:15
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AStorm	ok	01:15
zakkm	can anyone send me a videoplayer deb link for 2008HE please	01:16
zakkm	media player trying to play a small mp3 . .totally like freezes my nokia	01:17
AStorm	hmm, Hacker Edition all right ;P	01:17
AStorm	probably dsp code doesn't work	01:18
zakkm	it plays it	01:18
zakkm	but on screen .. it like so slow it seems frozen	01:18
AStorm	normal, slow CPU ;P	01:18
zakkm	but playing a mp3?	01:18
AStorm	you'd have to use a better player	01:18
zakkm	on the builtin media player	01:19
lcuk2	astorm, have you got the cpu meter thing running - that refreshes entire display 1 second and seens to cause dropped frames (since its the only thing continuously updating even though software is in front	01:19
AStorm	lcuk2: hmmhmm	01:19
AStorm	but it doesn't add skips in .24	01:19
lcuk2	worth a try..	01:19
AStorm	I'll check	01:19
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AStorm	might be stupid cpu scheduler biting again	01:19
KotCzarny	renice X to -1 ?	01:19
* lcuk2 feels that pain		01:19
zakkm	omg the battery went to half	01:20
AStorm	KotCzarny: no, that will make it worse!	01:20
lcuk2	nice doesnt boost cpu	01:20
zakkm	this is killing my battery	01:20
KotCzarny	astorm: have you tried?	01:20
ssvb	AStorm: I suspect that I know what is the problem	01:20
AStorm	zakkm: normal, it's fairly discharged	01:20
zakkm	could it be the metalayer crawler? i havent killed it yet	01:20
AStorm	KotCzarny: yes, it is the default	01:20
KotCzarny	lcuk2: but may introduce visible glitches	01:20
zakkm	fairly discharged???	01:20
AStorm	added stalls everywhere	01:20
AStorm	so, this scheduler has to die, a violent death	01:21
AStorm	it's totally unfair	01:21
lcuk2	just lower its threshhold percentage	01:21
KotCzarny	bring back 1.3.x happy times?	01:21
AStorm	nice 0 tasks get better interactive boosts than -1	01:21
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AStorm	KotCzarny: what times? ;P	01:21
KotCzarny	redhat 4.0.4 (or 3.0.3 don't remember)	01:21
lcuk2	echo 40 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold ;)	01:22
KotCzarny	my first linux cd :>	01:22
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AStorm	KotCzarny: CFS is better, thank you	01:22
AStorm	lcuk2: that doesn't have anything to do with cpufreq	01:22
KotCzarny	:)	01:22
AStorm	and everything to do with nice 0	01:22
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AStorm	:>	01:23
zakkm	in 2008HE how do i set swap?	01:23
lcuk2	yes it does. if the cpu uses more than 40% over the period then it will remain high	01:23
AStorm	ssvb: how do I make a movie scale to fullscreen, ignoring aspect?	01:23
lcuk2	the default is 80%	01:23
KotCzarny	-fs -zoom -noaspect ?	01:23
KotCzarny	:)	01:23
AStorm	lcuk2: this isn't a problem	01:23
AStorm	ah, -noaspect, thx	01:23
ssvb	AStorm: -noaspect option	01:23
AStorm	no manpage on N	01:23
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KotCzarny	you have google	01:23
KotCzarny	:)	01:23
AStorm	fail, doesn't work ;P	01:24
KotCzarny	how do you call it?	01:24
AStorm	added all three	01:24
AStorm	mplayer -fs -zoom -noaspect -benchmark tnj.flv	01:24
KotCzarny	any suspicious messages ?	01:25
AStorm	no	01:25
ssvb	AStorm: i suspect that the problem is related to streaming and nonuniform data read speed in audio decoder	01:25
KotCzarny	maybe -scale too	01:25
AStorm	just 320x320->320x320	01:25
ssvb	AStorm: try -ac ffmp3	01:25
AStorm	ssvb: I get message that dspmp3 didn't work	01:25
KotCzarny	it's disabled on os2008	01:26
KotCzarny	:)	01:26
AStorm	KotCzarny: invalid option	01:26
KotCzarny	unless you reenable it yourself	01:26
AStorm	-vf scale is wrong too	01:26
KotCzarny	i mean dspmp3 (gst)	01:26
zakkm	is there any way to speed up browsing on 2008HE / nokia 770	01:26
KotCzarny	zakkm: use links browser	01:26
KotCzarny	:)	01:26
AStorm	ssvb: well, how do I make canola respect the option?	01:27
zakkm	it didnt want to display google results.. on 2006SE	01:27
zakkm	it would show web / images/ and stuff at top	01:27
AStorm	drop it into /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (or what it's called)	01:27
zakkm	but not my actual search -.-	01:27
AStorm	but then, to fully get the conditions, I need non-aspect scaling	01:28
AStorm	doesn't work right now with any options	01:28
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KotCzarny	snoop canola cmd line?	01:29
KotCzarny	ie. run vid in canola and ps axww ?	01:29
AStorm	it's embedded mode, hmmm	01:29
AStorm	but I'll try	01:29
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zakkm	whats embedded mode	01:29
AStorm	...	01:29
zakkm	would google docs work well on the 2008HE?	01:31
AStorm	blah, flv don't show up in scanner, will have to launch some	01:31
AStorm	zakkm: yes, why not?	01:31
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Atarii	zakkm check out the logs for this chan from earlier today	01:31
zakkm	didnt in 2006?	01:31
KotCzarny	astorm: rename them to avi	01:31
KotCzarny	;)	01:31
Atarii	i went through most of your questions with someone else earlier :p	01:31
AStorm	KotCzarny: in a while	01:31
ssvb	ok, bye guys, I need to have some sleep...	01:32
AStorm	hmm, and now it isn't skipping? wtf?	01:32
KotCzarny	:)	01:32
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AStorm	or maybe is, but too slightly	01:32
KotCzarny	local file?	01:32
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KotCzarny	vs network?	01:32
AStorm	ah, no download	01:32
AStorm	yes, local file	01:32
AStorm	ok, so the skipping is cpu scheduler being an idiot	01:33
* AStorm wants to kill the O(rand()) scheduler		01:33
KotCzarny	fiight!	01:33
AStorm	I prefer O(log n) to O(rand())	01:33
AStorm	KotCzarny: first, I need a recent kernel up	01:34
AStorm	this needs more time	01:34
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AStorm	when ssvb is back, tell him it's caused by download	01:34
AStorm	although, I remember local vids also having more problems, retesting...	01:35
KotCzarny	flush cache	01:35
KotCzarny	beforehand	01:35
KotCzarny	there's a /proc switch for that	01:35
Atarii	there's 264 people in this chan, yet it's only ever like 6 people talking lol	01:35
AStorm	KotCzarny: that might be it	01:35
KotCzarny	atarii: new to irc?	01:35
AStorm	Atarii: as usual on IRC	01:35
AStorm	only very busy channels have more	01:35
AStorm	I suggest #gentoo as an example	01:36
KotCzarny	or #sex ?	01:36
Atarii	kot not new to irc :p	01:36
zakkm	is kagu any good? for music playback	01:36
Atarii	crazy idlers	01:36
AStorm	KotCzarny: nah, that's empty? ;P	01:36
KotCzarny	atarii: seems like :P	01:36
Atarii	i was IRCing when you was still in nappies :p	01:36
KotCzarny	echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches	01:36
KotCzarny	# To free pagecache, dentries and inodes:	01:36
elb	this is pretty typical for an IRC channel of this size	01:36
AStorm	KotCzarny: nah, canola preloads flv	01:36
KotCzarny	whole?	01:37
elb	it varies with the network ... freenode channels are almost all topical	01:37
KotCzarny	and it's not canola i guess	01:37
KotCzarny	only -cache option in mplayer	01:37
AStorm	but it's not that	01:37
AStorm	sorry, large movie skips after playback and rollback	01:37
KotCzarny	still useful for mainatining same conditions on every test	01:37
AStorm	same scenes are skipping ;P	01:37
KotCzarny	more bitrate ? :P	01:38
AStorm	yes	01:38
KotCzarny	hmm	01:38
AStorm	but it doesn't skip with .24	01:38
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KotCzarny	3mb of free space	01:38
KotCzarny	bad.	01:38
AStorm	hehehe	01:38
KotCzarny	(on my 2nd pc)	01:38
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AStorm	I see 2 mplayers	01:39
KotCzarny	threads	01:39
AStorm	long options, e.g. -wid	01:39
AStorm	yp	01:39
lardman_	the crafty buggers	01:39
AStorm	-slave	01:39
AStorm	and -idx!	01:40
KotCzarny	hehe	01:40
AStorm	why does it put that, d'oh	01:40
lardman_	they set the framebuffer size to 0x100000 on the 770, but on the n8x0 it's set to its actual size	01:40
fysa	zakkm, best way to speed up the browser is to use VNC to another machine..	01:40
KotCzarny	for seeking?	01:40
AStorm	other than that, control disablers	01:40
AStorm	but it still does scale	01:40
KotCzarny	do you see compl;ete line?	01:41
KotCzarny	or just 80chars ?	01:41
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AStorm	full	01:41
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AStorm	ok, got it, it's -vo xv	01:42
AStorm	I sense fail	01:42
AStorm	default options are faster	01:42
AStorm	much faster	01:42
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AStorm	need to bash some canola dev	01:43
KotCzarny	:)	01:43
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KotCzarny	\|> 01Studio33-Studio33-Housemeister14-Twc.mp3	01:45
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Atarii	mmm paluszki	01:47
KotCzarny	O.o	01:47
KotCzarny	polak?	01:47
KotCzarny	kolejny?	01:47
KotCzarny	lol	01:47
AStorm	Atarii: argh, invasion of POLISH PEOPLE!	01:47
Atarii	lol im not polish	01:47
Atarii	i hav polish friends :	01:47
AStorm	fortunately ;P	01:48
KotCzarny	o.O	01:48
* KotCzarny shrugs		01:48
AStorm	that would be fifth here	01:48
Atarii	i can speak some polish but not write it	01:48
AStorm	oh, wait, sixth	01:48
Atarii	i like the food, and love the drink ;)	01:48
KotCzarny	the drink?	01:48
Atarii	vodka!	01:48
KotCzarny	it's russian	01:49
KotCzarny	:)	01:49
AStorm	firewater, obviously	01:49
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Atarii	debowa	01:49
AStorm	but of Polish production ;P	01:49
NullM0dem	vodka is russian and polish	01:49
Atarii	zubrowka	01:49
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NullM0dem	im polish	01:49
AStorm	NullM0dem: damnit, 6	01:49
NullM0dem	well american polish	01:49
KotCzarny	O.o	01:49
NullM0dem	heh	01:49
AStorm	hehe	01:49
NullM0dem	we invaded along time ago	01:50
AStorm	What is it in N that attracts Poles to it?	01:50
KotCzarny	well, i'm internetish	01:50
KotCzarny	to be honest	01:50
KotCzarny	:)	01:50
AStorm	my nationality is Gentoo ;P	01:50
NullM0dem	mine is slackware / LFS	01:50
zakkm	mine is BSD :P	01:50
AStorm	LFS, been there	01:51
NullM0dem	open/free/net or drgaonfly	01:51
AStorm	quite nice, but messy	01:51
NullM0dem	yes	01:51
zakkm	im not. im just trying to beat gentoo ;p	01:51
NullM0dem	what do you mean beat, gentoo beats you	01:51
AStorm	;P	01:51
AStorm	don't, it has problems already	01:51
zakkm	ive used gentoo for like 6 months	01:51
KotCzarny	slackware is almost lfs	01:52
zakkm	but never messed with it too much	01:52
KotCzarny	:)	01:52
NullM0dem	I started with dragonlinux on top of 98, I used 98 for 3 weeks and switched to linux	01:52
KotCzarny	i like slack because of simplicity and stability	01:52
KotCzarny	(in that order)	01:52
zakkm	not speed? :D	01:52
KotCzarny	speed?	01:52
NullM0dem	I love it, I do use debian as well	01:52
KotCzarny	on a laptop?	01:53
KotCzarny	lol	01:53
zakkm	speed is important	01:53
KotCzarny	for speed it doesn't matter what distro it is	01:53
KotCzarny	i'm running fluxbox instead of kde (default)	01:53
zakkm	fluxbox is nice	01:53
zakkm	:D	01:53
KotCzarny	and my custom kernel	01:53
zakkm	run xcompmgr?	01:53
zakkm	or ecomorph?	01:53
KotCzarny	nope	01:53
NullM0dem	well RHEL or ubuntu on say a 500mhz with 128 mega ram vs slackware? you would see a big differance	01:53
zakkm	redhat has Security thingy	01:54
zakkm	that makes it really slow :P	01:54
NullM0dem	yeah SElinux does slow everything down	01:54
zakkm	how do i delete the whole metalayer-crawler simplely ( new flashed 2008HE.. cant install apps/ never did yet )	01:54
KotCzarny	zakkm: remove the symlink starting it in /etc/rc2.d/	01:55
KotCzarny	or change S to K in the name	01:55
zakkm	i can do cd /etc ? in xterminal?	01:55
KotCzarny	root needed for renaming though	01:55
KotCzarny	so ssh/gainroot	01:55
zakkm	i cant install apps -.-	01:55
zakkm	unless i can get the deb on my pc?	01:55
zakkm	i have no wifi..>!	01:55
Atarii	use linux flasher to enable R&D mode	01:56
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KotCzarny	panguinbait: hello	01:56
zakkm	something is killing my battery	01:56
KotCzarny	erm	01:56
KotCzarny	penguinbait	01:56
zakkm	and taking alot of cpu this is so slow :D	01:56
penguinbait	hey	01:56
zakkm	i heard adblock app ? increases browser speed?	01:57
zakkm	what about microb vs default?	01:57
AStorm	Ok, fyi: -vo xv disables omapfb scaler for some reason	01:57
KotCzarny	pb: care to share fluxbox on os2008 howto?	01:57
zakkm	can you do -vo x11 ?	01:57
AStorm	I can do -vo omapfb	01:57
KotCzarny	-vo omapfb	01:57
KotCzarny	:)	01:57
KotCzarny	it's better	01:57
zakkm	-vo opengl :D	01:57
penguinbait	KotC its like nike	01:57
penguinbait	just do it	01:57
KotCzarny	hmm	01:57
zakkm	hey	01:58
zakkm	Kot: you can do -vo null .. and make it a audio player?	01:58
KotCzarny	pb: still, all those dsme and tips would be nice	01:58
KotCzarny	zakkm: yes	01:58
KotCzarny	but i think you should also do -vc null or something	01:58
penguinbait	I am merely a hack, you dont want my tips :)	01:58
KotCzarny	because it will waste cycles for vid devoding	01:58
KotCzarny	pb: i'm a hacker! ;)	01:58
KotCzarny	pb: i like hack tips	01:58
zakkm	ah	01:58
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penguinbait	best hack tip ever!	01:59
penguinbait	RTFM	01:59
KotCzarny	:)	01:59
KotCzarny	which manual?	01:59
penguinbait	all of them	01:59
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KotCzarny	not going to happen in human life	01:59
KotCzarny	:)	01:59
penguinbait	I need a memory upgrade desprately	02:00
zakkm	why is GPS enabled in 2008HE -.-	02:00
KotCzarny	i need a new chair	02:00
zakkm	disabling mightve helped things?	02:00
KotCzarny	maybe it assumes someone could want to use it?	02:01
KotCzarny	:)	02:01
Grackle	What might it help?	02:01
zakkm	is there GPS on nokia 770 ?	02:01
KotCzarny	grackle: memory footprint?	02:01
KotCzarny	zakkm: does 770 have bluetooth?	02:01
zakkm	memory is high on the 2008HE for a nokia :P	02:01
zakkm	Kot: i believe so?	02:01
zakkm	for phone access?	02:01
KotCzarny	then bt gps	02:01
KotCzarny	:)	02:01
zakkm	bt gps?	02:01
zakkm	o	02:01
zakkm	???	02:01
zakkm	it only connects to phones though	02:02
zakkm	it wouldnt connect to my pc?	02:02
KotCzarny	probably	02:02
KotCzarny	pan or something	02:02
KotCzarny	never used yet	02:02
zakkm	any like speed tricks for 2008HE?	02:02
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zakkm	should i be using a custom kernel? or something	02:02
penguinbait	run it on a n800/810	02:02
zakkm	lol	02:03
penguinbait	should make it faster	02:03
zakkm	give me a n800/810 and ill be sure to use it :D	02:03
zakkm	even send you pics if you would like	02:03
NullM0dem	heh	02:03
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KotCzarny	i use n800 in the toilet often	02:03
NullM0dem	woah, heya penguin bait!	02:03
KotCzarny	nice for those lengthy waits	02:03
KotCzarny	:)	02:03
penguinbait	hey	02:03
NullM0dem	ive been anticipating that use	02:04
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KotCzarny	previously i have used some china made tetris game	02:04
KotCzarny	worked nicely too	02:04
KotCzarny	:)	02:04
lcuk2	zakkm, ill send you pics of my 810 if you send pics of you using it	02:05
NullM0dem	penguinbait: just wanted to say hey, Im new to maemo, and have read quite a deal of what you have written.	02:05
zakkm	lcuk2 : no thanks :D	02:05
zakkm	im scared all of you are really old :D	02:05
penguinbait	nice to meet ya	02:05
KotCzarny	yup	02:05
KotCzarny	like 50	02:05
zakkm	wow	02:05
zakkm	im 17 ^^;;	02:06
shapr	I'm old.	02:06
penguinbait	me too	02:06
penguinbait	I think ??	02:06
lcuk2	50. 50! when i was 50 we used to have to get our internet from a fella down 'th street	02:06
KotCzarny	inside or outside?	02:06
Atarii	lol	02:06
briand	17? dang.. you're not even out of alpha, yet... let alone beta!!	02:06
penguinbait	ok, I'm in the middle somewhere	02:06
zakkm	Milestone :D	02:06
penguinbait	hehe	02:06
briand	milestone? not even at a 'dot-release' yet	02:07
briand	heheh	02:07
KotCzarny	does it matter	02:07
KotCzarny	you are always 'there and now'	02:07
KotCzarny	no matter where and when you are	02:07
KotCzarny	:)	02:07
lcuk2	biwnite folks goin watchin end of terminator sarah thingy	02:07
briand	not me.	02:07
KotCzarny	nite nite	02:07
briand	I'm 'here and now', always	02:07
zakkm	lcuk	02:07
zakkm	is that season 2?	02:07
zakkm	i saw s1 1-10 but i thought that was it?	02:07
lcuk2	no! they only just announced that it might happen	02:08
lcuk2	1..10 ?	02:08
lcuk2	i thought there was only 9	02:08
KotCzarny	terminator series?	02:08
KotCzarny	O.o	02:08
lcuk2	yer	02:08
zakkm	oh	02:08
zakkm	maybe 9 lol	02:08
briand	maybe it's zero-indexed, so 9 would be the 10th... ;)	02:08
lcuk2	im just settling down to watch finale, if ive gotta download another now im gonna have a shitfit	02:08
zakkm	how come web is soooooooooooooooooooo slow.. on a local html file?	02:09
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zakkm	web rbrowser is so unusable	02:09
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KotCzarny	zakkm: not enough free memory	02:09
lcuk2	you are lucky, theres only 9	02:09
zakkm	i gave swap?	02:09
lcuk2	gnite all	02:09
KotCzarny	that could get core milion to halt	02:09
zakkm	?	02:09
KotCzarny	does it use it?	02:09
zakkm	you tell me lol	02:10
KotCzarny	what's the output of 'free' ?	02:10
zakkm	onesec	02:10
penguinbait	anybody want to test my boot from SD deb?	02:10
zakkm	ok its frozen	02:10
zakkm	lol	02:10
KotCzarny	yup, low memory situation	02:10
KotCzarny	probably ate all memory and swap	02:10
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zakkm	i gave as much as i have	02:11
zakkm	all i have is the original 64mb ?	02:11
KotCzarny	pity there's no flash memory activity led	02:11
penguinbait	n900 needs 512MB RAM	02:11
elb	say bye-bye to battery life!	02:11
KotCzarny	pb: and 3Ah battery?	02:11
penguinbait	who uses flash anyway?	02:11
zakkm	elb????	02:11
KotCzarny	pb: sd is flash	02:11
KotCzarny	:)	02:11
elb	zakkm: ??????????? what?	02:11
zakkm	i have to use RS-MMC -.-	02:11
penguinbait	not the flash I was referring to	02:11
KotCzarny	pb: for adobe's flash, youtube uses it	02:12
KotCzarny	:)	02:12
zakkm	wht the	02:12
zakkm	with no apps except terminal	02:12
KotCzarny	killed	02:12
KotCzarny	probably	02:13
KotCzarny	:)	02:13
zakkm	total 62224 used 60800 free 1424	02:13
zakkm	what happened there? !?!?!?	02:13
fysa	zakkm, OS2008 was NOT meant for 64mb	02:13
zakkm	just xterm is open	02:13
fysa	it's a hack.	02:13
zakkm	oh	02:13
KotCzarny	zakkm: you need bigger swap	02:13
zakkm	how come its not accepting my swap	02:13
KotCzarny	or another browser	02:13
zakkm	it shows blank	02:13
zakkm	but i have a swap file	02:13
KotCzarny	links2 for example	02:13
zakkm	can i do links -g?	02:13
KotCzarny	yes	02:14
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KotCzarny	but you have to compile it for yourself	02:14
zakkm	does the one in repos have the -g useflag?	02:14
KotCzarny	or find the binary somewhere	02:14
KotCzarny	try it	02:14
zakkm	cant	02:14
zakkm	no wifi	02:14
zakkm	;p	02:14
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penguinbait	its in the icewm tarball posted on ITT	02:14
KotCzarny	usually if the size >1.5mb it has graphics compiled in	02:14
zakkm	how come its not accepting my swap partition	02:14
KotCzarny	define 'not accepting'	02:14
penguinbait	did you mkswap it	02:15
zakkm	its not showing it as being used	02:15
NullM0dem	penguinbait: youv'e pretty much ported 90% of the apps i would like to run on my n810 :-	02:15
zakkm	i used the control panel - memory. .for 2006?	02:15
zakkm	and then i flashed for '08	02:15
penguinbait	oh	02:15
KotCzarny	then you have to reenable it again	02:15
KotCzarny	but beware if it sets up swap on internal flash instead of mmc :)	02:16
zakkm	theres only 13mb left on internal -.-	02:16
zakkm	wht the hell	02:16
zakkm	i cant install anything? much	02:16
KotCzarny	os2008 is.. bigger	02:17
KotCzarny	:)	02:17
zakkm	i really really like it :D	02:17
Atarii	zakkm uninstall stuff, like the help files	02:17
penguinbait	boot from SD/mmc. its faster anyway	02:17
zakkm	oh	02:17
zakkm	how?	02:17
zakkm	boot from 64mb?	02:17
KotCzarny	he has 64mb mmc card	02:17
zakkm	i have a nokia 770.. can i do SD?	02:17
KotCzarny	not going to fit	02:17
KotCzarny	:)	02:18
zakkm	minisd/micro?	02:18
penguinbait	buy a 2gb its like 15$	02:18
zakkm	link me	02:18
KotCzarny	you should have at least 256mb	02:18
KotCzarny	pb: rs-mmc ?	02:18
zakkm	penguin link me	02:18
KotCzarny	it's 770	02:18
KotCzarny	:)	02:18
zakkm	i was going to buy off ebay but i dont know .. risky posts?	02:18
\|thunde1	8gb at best buy this week for 50$	02:18
penguinbait	I have 2GB mmc mobile kingston, bought it for 770, use it in 800	02:18
zakkm	jthunde1: rs-mmc?	02:18
penguinbait	I have 8GB kingston, but now I need 8GB micro/miniSD	02:19
zakkm	how much would ANYTHING thats compatible on the 770 .. be for like 1gb/2gb?	02:19
penguinbait	15$	02:19
zakkm	where how? whats it called?	02:19
zakkm	cheapest	02:19
zakkm	there weo go :D its making a 32mb swap lol	02:20
KotCzarny	bargainslane.com/shop/index.php?p=MMCM/2GB	02:20
KotCzarny	17$	02:20
zakkm	i dont trust the site :P	02:21
zakkm	or should i?	02:21
KotCzarny	google says it's 4.5/5	02:21
penguinbait	newegg has 1gb trancend 8.69	02:21
zakkm	:O	02:21
KotCzarny	10 ratings	02:21
zakkm	trancend will work?	02:21
zakkm	im in Toronto, Canada by the way. ..	02:21
penguinbait	its says mmc mobile	02:21
penguinbait	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208055	02:21
KotCzarny	toronto seems like a big city	02:22
zakkm	i have two tigerdirect's within 30min from my house?	02:22
KotCzarny	no big stores there?	02:22
KotCzarny	:>	02:22
zakkm	lol	02:22
zakkm	cant find rs-mmc's	02:22
zakkm	well havent really looked lol	02:22
zakkm	it is a big city	02:22
zakkm	1/7 of canada lives in Toronto	02:22
KotCzarny	no online shops for those stores?	02:22
zakkm	well yeah but online doesnt show enough/ i dont know sites	02:22
\|thunde1	zakkm: sd, class 4	02:22
lardman_	night all	02:22
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zakkm	mmc mobile = rs-mmc?	02:23
AStorm	maybe	02:23
penguinbait	mine is	02:23
penguinbait	kingston 2gb mmc mobile	02:23
penguinbait	used it in 770	02:23
penguinbait	when I had one	02:23
KotCzarny	anyway 10$ isn't that much	02:23
KotCzarny	even if it fails to work	02:23
zakkm	im in canada though	02:23
zakkm	newegg ships?	02:24
penguinbait	I think newegg ships to CA	02:24
zakkm	would it cost alot?	02:24
KotCzarny	isn't CA an acronym for california?	02:24
KotCzarny	:>	02:24
KotCzarny	now, .ca is actually more like canada :)	02:24
zakkm	there we go	02:25
penguinbait	CA is for canada, but I am from Michigan	02:25
zakkm	total - 94980 used 65024 free 29956	02:25
KotCzarny	stop metalayer-crawl	02:26
KotCzarny	it eats ~10-30mb	02:26
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KotCzarny	and cpu too	02:27
KotCzarny	sometimes	02:27
zakkm	wow	02:27
KotCzarny	you will loose medialibraries	02:27
zakkm	how can i .. without wifi ?	02:27
zakkm	which does?	02:27
KotCzarny	hmm	02:27
KotCzarny	:)	02:27
KotCzarny	why no wifi?	02:28
zakkm	yeah my nokia is better with swap lol	02:28
zakkm	no wifi in my house?	02:28
KotCzarny	O.o	02:28
zakkm	and neighbors are locked wifi	02:28
zakkm	lol	02:28
Atarii	just download via pc then transfer over cable?	02:28
KotCzarny	get a wifi router for 10-20$	02:28
KotCzarny	:)	02:28
zakkm	can you help me find	02:28
KotCzarny	any should do	02:28
zakkm	i got a wifi router	02:28
KotCzarny	:)	02:28
zakkm	just not plugged in	02:28
zakkm	dont trust it .. and i only recently got my nokia	02:28
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KotCzarny	you can screw off the antenna	02:29
KotCzarny	and lower wifi tx power	02:29
KotCzarny	that should minimize risk	02:29
KotCzarny	:)	02:29
zakkm	lol	02:29
zakkm	ohhh	02:29
zakkm	yeah	02:29
zakkm	should i set my nokia wifi to 100mw or 10?	02:29
zakkm	and what does it change?	02:30
NullM0dem	zakkm: there is a ontario CA if that is what your reffering too in terms of newegg	02:30
KotCzarny	10mw is official limit in some countries	02:30
zakkm	sick	02:30
NullM0dem	ca = california, i was confused as well	02:30
zakkm	ontario though..	02:30
zakkm	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	02:30
KotCzarny	use .ca	02:30
NullM0dem	there is an ontario, california	02:30
zakkm	oh	02:30
KotCzarny	more understandable than CA	02:30
KotCzarny	most people are used to domains	02:31
KotCzarny	(outside us of course)	02:31
KotCzarny	:)	02:31
zakkm	newegg.ca coming soon	02:31
zakkm	lol	02:31
NullM0dem	my n810 look slikes its been sitting at the warehouse for 4 days when i look at my tracking info	02:31
AStorm	in all of US, you can use 100mW ;P	02:31
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zakkm	whats the difference between 10 and 100 mw?	02:31
AStorm	power	02:31
zakkm	which should i use?	02:31
AStorm	which means, range	02:31
zakkm	oh	02:31
penguinbait	90 mw	02:31
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KotCzarny	try 10 first	02:31
KotCzarny	if it works	02:31
AStorm	you won't save any with 10mW	02:31
KotCzarny	then you can leave it at that	02:31
AStorm	checked with rundown	02:31
AStorm	so there's no point	02:32
zakkm	does 100 use way more power?	02:32
AStorm	no	02:32
unixSnob	I believe I've seen 500 mW amps in the US	02:32
KotCzarny	but you won't reach that many wifi spots	02:32
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penguinbait	I have a 2watt 802.11b amp	02:32
AStorm	unixSnob: possible, with low grade antenna	02:32
penguinbait	hehehe	02:32
AStorm	penguinbait: illegal	02:32
zakkm	wait	02:32
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zakkm	so 100 = 10x the range?	02:32
penguinbait	???	02:32
zakkm	more or less	02:32
penguinbait	dont know	02:32
NullM0dem	sick	02:32
unixSnob	The FCC places no limits on homebrew antennas though	02:32
AStorm	zakkm: no, but quite better	02:32
KotCzarny	nope	02:32
zakkm	thats all it does?	02:33
KotCzarny	range is planar	02:33
zakkm	is increase signal?	02:33
AStorm	yes, it can reach through walls then	02:33
KotCzarny	so it's more like 1/r^2	02:33
AStorm	KotCzarny: you're SO wrong	02:33
AStorm	exactly	02:33
zakkm	does it use more power though?	02:33
unixSnob	It's much better to get a dish from freecycle, and mod it for wifi	02:33
AStorm	but with more power, interference means less	02:33
AStorm	zakkm: not measurably more	02:33
zakkm	k	02:33
zakkm	going to change to 100	02:33
zakkm	see if i can get neighbors wifi :P	02:33
AStorm	unixSnob: and depending on power, illegal	02:33
AStorm	you can't use high sensitivity antennas with high power wifi	02:34
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unixSnob	AStorm, no, FCC has a specific allowance for homebrew antennas, I've read it	02:34
AStorm	yes	02:34
unixSnob	Commercially, there are limits on antennas, but there is a hobbyist provision	02:34
AStorm	but you mustn't cause interference anyway	02:34
AStorm	if you do, you'll head will be spiked etc.	02:34
AStorm	;P	02:34
KotCzarny	unixsnob: doesn't it change depending on freq range ?	02:34
KotCzarny	ie. limits	02:34
penguinbait	much nicer out west where there is no trees	02:35
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unixSnob	Hobbyists are not limited by gain factors.	02:35
unixSnob	Well, I'm talking wifi.. 802.11b	02:35
AStorm	unixSnob: yes they are	02:35
AStorm	read FCC rules, again	02:35
AStorm	you may not cause interference	02:35
penguinbait	is Astorm a HAM?	02:35
unixSnob	And the rationale given by the FCC is that hobbyists are not equipped to measure gain, so they don't have to	02:36
AStorm	yes	02:36
AStorm	they're not	02:36
unixSnob	I know what I read, the english was very plain and clear	02:36
penguinbait	who else reads FCC material :)	02:36
AStorm	but if you send high power, you need a low sensitivity antenna	02:36
AStorm	or else you'll cause interference	02:36
AStorm	which means $$$	02:36
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zakmm	thats odd -.-	02:36
zakmm	[09:47] * [10053] Software caused connection abort	02:36
zakmm	mIRC .. windows	02:37
KotCzarny	windows	02:37
KotCzarny	pft	02:37
zakmm	lol	02:37
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zakmm	ive been using linux so long i wanted to use windows lol	02:37
shapr	I tried that.	02:37
AStorm	bad idea	02:37
zakmm	linux wont like my nokia	02:37
penguinbait	you can run mirc on linux	02:37
penguinbait	hehe	02:37
shapr	I tried windows after nine years of linux.	02:37
zakmm	it wouldnt accept my flashdrive	02:37
zakmm	no way	02:37
shapr	Windows is missing a lot of features.	02:37
zakmm	i run irssi on linux -.-	02:38
zakmm	no way default windows might i add...	02:38
NullM0dem	shapr same here, my first win was 98 and i wiped it within 3 monthes	02:38
AStorm	zakkm: what?	02:38
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AStorm	Nokia is running Linux	02:38
KotCzarny	:>	02:38
shapr	I used win95 up until 1999 or so.	02:38
zakmm	yeah and i had irssi?	02:38
zakmm	lol	02:38
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shapr	Then I used Linux up until 2008	02:38
AStorm	yes, it has	02:38
zakmm	yeah i couldnt get it running on 2006 tho	02:38
zakmm	so i ran xchat	02:38
KotCzarny	astorm: that's internal info leakage?	02:38
AStorm	but w/o n810 it's fairly pointless	02:38
AStorm	yes	02:38
zakmm	no	02:39
AStorm	KotCzarny: what internal info?	02:39
zakmm	i can read :P	02:39
zakmm	dont need to type much	02:39
KotCzarny	astorm: that nokia runs linux :>	02:39
unixSnob	i'm able to reach the other side of a lake using a directtv dish, and a cantenna, all homebrew stuff	02:39
AStorm	KotCzarny: you mean? Maemo is Linux ;P	02:39
NullM0dem	shapr: I started on C-64 / amiga and then in 92 lost my comps and didnt get another one till 98	02:39
KotCzarny	you have said 'nokia' i saw it :P	02:39
AStorm	hehe, iNdT does use Linux	02:39
NullM0dem	shapr: windows was such a let down	02:39
AStorm	so does OSSO	02:39
zakmm	omg	02:40
zakmm	i been in a wifi for 30min	02:40
zakmm	didnt know i was connected	02:40
KotCzarny	hehe	02:40
zakmm	web probably wont load though	02:40
zakmm	yeah	02:40
zakmm	connecting....	02:40
zakmm	how do you do that renew liscense in linux?	02:40
KotCzarny	try connecting by ip?	02:40
AStorm	zakkm: by reconnecting, usually	02:41
zakmm	i tried that alotin school	02:41
AStorm	or you can set static ip just fine	02:41
NullM0dem	you mean dhcp lease?	02:41
zakmm	im looking at connection manager	02:41
zakmm	yeah	02:41
AStorm	to get the ip, you can use ifconfig	02:41
zakmm	give me stuff to try lol	02:41
zakmm	k	02:41
zakmm	ifconfig ____	02:41
NullM0dem	im not sure what the nokia uses but usually i do dhclient eth0 as root	02:41
AStorm	just ifconfig, it will show active interfaces	02:41
NullM0dem	on mainstream linux	02:42
zakmm	eth0 is for my main pc?	02:42
AStorm	NullM0dem: they use udhcpcd	02:42
KotCzarny	ifconfig -a	02:42
KotCzarny	:)	02:42
NullM0dem	thats a daemon right?	02:42
AStorm	yes and no, depends on the way it's called	02:42
zakmm	ifconfig not found	02:42
AStorm	usually it is	02:42
NullM0dem	slack uses that as well	02:42
KotCzarny	/sbin/ifconfig	02:42
zakmm	cause im not root?	02:42
KotCzarny	yes, missing path	02:43
zakmm	oh there	02:43
zakmm	wlan0	02:43
zakmm	-.-	02:43
AStorm	doh	02:43
zakmm	inet addr:192.168.10.101	02:43
AStorm	or bt0	02:43
AStorm	or usb0	02:43
zakmm	ok now what	02:44
zakmm	ifconfig wlan0 ___	02:44
KotCzarny	try ping 212.77.100.101	02:44
zakmm	trying..	02:44
AStorm	or ping 80.53.32.122	02:44
penguinbait	any takers on my boot from SD deb?? I need more testers	02:45
AStorm	KotCzarny: how many IPs have you memorized?	02:45
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KotCzarny	astorm: 1	02:45
KotCzarny	astorm: it's wp.pl	02:45
KotCzarny	:)	02:45
AStorm	hehehe	02:45
zakmm	ping ___ : 56 data bytes ping:permission denied. (are you root?)	02:45
zakmm	lol	02:45
AStorm	and mine is my server	02:45
KotCzarny	i have just resolved it	02:45
AStorm	zakkm: root!	02:45
zakmm	send me debbbb	02:45
zakmm	:P	02:45
zakmm	or link me	02:45
AStorm	KotCzarny: you cheat ;P	02:45
KotCzarny	astorm: but i remember my shools ip	02:45
AStorm	zakkm: .... you need root	02:45
KotCzarny	:)	02:45
zakmm	i realize that	02:45
AStorm	or at least chmod +s	02:45
zakmm	:P	02:46
zakmm	id rather become root ;p	02:46
zakmm	or wait	02:46
zakmm	i need root for that dont i? chmod +s	02:46
KotCzarny	zakmm: you can transfer .debs with mmc card	02:46
KotCzarny	or usb	02:46
zakmm	why not?	02:46
AStorm	zakkm: yes, but only once	02:46
zakmm	i do it al lthe time	02:46
KotCzarny	but i don't know if app-man can install them?	02:46
AStorm	it will set the executable SUID root	02:46
zakmm	how can i use app-man without internet ! :P	02:46
KotCzarny	anyone?	02:47
zakmm	i always download on pc. . the deb.. send to memory card and run in filemanager?	02:47
penguinbait	you can install from file	02:47
penguinbait	in app man	02:47
KotCzarny	ok	02:47
penguinbait	goto menu	02:47
zakmm	can i have the deb link please? :D	02:47
AStorm	link to what?	02:47
KotCzarny	to any deb?	02:47
KotCzarny	;)	02:47
zakmm	root deb?	02:47
zakmm	the deb to be root?	02:47
AStorm	wtf?	02:47
AStorm	...	02:47
zakmm	gainroot or something?	02:48
penguinbait	becomeroot	02:48
AStorm	nitapps.org, go there	02:48
zakmm	ok onesec	02:48
zakmm	never been there?	02:48
AStorm	or was it .com	02:48
zakmm	.com***	02:48
penguinbait	http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb	02:48
penguinbait	there	02:48
AStorm	bora?	02:48
AStorm	is that for OS2008HE?	02:48
AStorm	;P	02:48
penguinbait	it dont matter	02:49
penguinbait	its becomeroot	02:49
AStorm	no, it does	02:49
zakmm	easyroot	02:49
zakmm	This is a simple utility for gaining root access. 'sudo gainroot' works as befor	02:49
zakmm	?	02:49
AStorm	zakkm: yes, easyroot is better	02:49
zakmm	works on 2008HE?	02:49
penguinbait	echo "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers	02:50
AStorm	penguinbait: evil	02:50
AStorm	;)	02:50
AStorm	but then, all method of root w/o pass are evil	02:50
penguinbait	not like this thing is secure anyway	02:50
AStorm	it is fairly secure	02:50
AStorm	:>	02:50
Mousey	yikes	02:50
penguinbait	hehehehahhahaha	02:50
AStorm	at least, can be	02:50
KotCzarny	as long you don't give it to anyone	02:50
KotCzarny	:)	02:50
penguinbait	no its not	02:50
AStorm	yep	02:51
Mousey	as if the n810 isn't a BIG enough security hole	02:51
AStorm	it is	02:51
zakmm	if someone wanted to stop it.. they would put it in their pocket :D	02:51
KotCzarny	.21-omap is vulnerable to ptrace hack?	02:51
Mousey	posession is 9/10ths of the hack	02:51
AStorm	KotCzarny: not sure	02:51
AStorm	possibly	02:51
AStorm	ah, no, not	02:51
KotCzarny	can be easy way for root app	02:51
KotCzarny	:)	02:51
zakmm	about to install easyroot	02:51
AStorm	.21 arm doesn't have vmsplice	02:51
penguinbait	run my deb and tell me how secure it is ;)	02:51
KotCzarny	:)	02:51
AStorm	so, you won't be able to use vmsplice sploit	02:52
zakmm	just curious.. how long you all been around this irc channel/into the whole nokia tablet stuff?	02:52
AStorm	the default one wouldn't work anyway	02:52
AStorm	zakkm: less than a month here	02:52
zakmm	penguinbait: easyroot is yours?	02:52
penguinbait	I bought a 770 on jan 2005	02:52
AStorm	zakkm: no, not	02:52
penguinbait	no zakmm	02:52
zakmm	wow	02:52
* KotCzarny bought n800 in march 2008		02:52
zakmm	jan 2005.. i wanted to buy it when it first came out	02:52
zakmm	didnt have the money	02:52
zakmm	forgot about it till last week .. went on ebay and bought it.. came three days later :P	02:53
penguinbait	I wanted zaurus forever	02:53
zakmm	last yesterday?	02:53
penguinbait	I jumped as soon as I saw the 770	02:53
zakmm	easyroot installing	02:53
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zakmm	successfully installed	02:53
penguinbait	last yesterday, is that two days ago?	02:53
zakmm	last tuesday*	02:53
zakmm	lol	02:53
zakmm	sorry	02:53
AStorm	last tomorrow? ;)	02:53
KotCzarny	bond?	02:54
Grackle	penguinbait: Yeah, I wanted to buy a zaurus for a long time, but never did. Recently found out about the IT and bought one.	02:54
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KotCzarny	;)	02:54
AStorm	ah, it's today now	02:54
zakmm	nokia like froze :P	02:54
penguinbait	its today again	02:54
zakmm	ok	02:54
zakmm	im now root	02:54
zakmm	well in a sec	02:54
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KotCzarny	bs, it's today's today	02:54
AStorm	zakmm: oh, no, you'll destroy it now!	02:54
AStorm	;)	02:54
KotCzarny	not a yesterdays' today	02:54
zakmm	ok im root	02:54
zakmm	how do i uhmm .. do the metalayer-crawler	02:55
KotCzarny	now play	02:55
zakmm	i should do that first :P	02:55
KotCzarny	:)	02:55
AStorm	update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove	02:55
KotCzarny	/etc/rc2.d/metalayer stop	02:55
AStorm	that's all	02:55
AStorm	maybe stop it first	02:55
KotCzarny	yup	02:55
AStorm	e.g. update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop	02:55
AStorm	then remove	02:55
penguinbait	gd metalayer, fricken get rid of the danm thing	02:56
AStorm	I've uninstalled that junk	02:56
KotCzarny	;)	02:56
penguinbait	nothing but problems	02:56
AStorm	now that I have Vorbis working in canola	02:56
zakmm	its doing the stopping	02:57
zakmm	?	02:57
zakmm	stopped	02:57
zakmm	what should i do for remove?	02:57
AStorm	remove disables it for good	02:57
AStorm	zakmm: you can't read, can you? ;P	02:57
zakmm	update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop ?	02:57
AStorm	no	02:57
AStorm	that stops it	02:57
AStorm	s/stop/remove/ and it's good	02:57
zakmm	update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove ?	02:57
AStorm	yup	02:58
zakmm	-.-	02:59
zakmm	use -f to force	02:59
AStorm	so use it	02:59
Mousey	use the -f, luke	02:59
zakmm	i gotta retype it now -.-	02:59
AStorm	use the dpad	02:59
AStorm	up arrow	03:00
zakmm	i use thumb thingy ?	03:00
KotCzarny	that's dpad	03:00
zakmm	oh right	03:00
KotCzarny	on the left	03:00
KotCzarny	right?	03:00
zakmm	lol i was looking for that on screen :P	03:00
zakmm	thanks	03:00
zakmm	yeah	03:00
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zakmm	not working	03:01
zakmm	update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove -f	03:01
zakmm	exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)	03:01
AStorm	add -f after update-rc.d	03:02
AStorm	not at the end	03:02
zakmm	ah there we go	03:02
zakmm	done	03:02
zakmm	ok now .. internet please :D lol	03:02
KotCzarny	poor metalayer..	03:03
KotCzarny	nobody loves it	03:03
AStorm	it's meant to die	03:03
KotCzarny	-crawl	03:03
zakmm	why dont the dev's delete it	03:03
zakmm	or fix it?	03:03
AStorm	it is fairly efficient	03:03
zakmm	can i delete map ? (app )	03:03
AStorm	but should check system load	03:03
zakmm	ill neve ruse it	03:03
AStorm	zakmm: yes, use the application manager	03:03
zakmm	i need the 8.1mb lol	03:04
zakmm	64mb rs-mmc + whatever is already in it	03:04
zakmm	and OS2008 takes alottt + swap	03:04
zakmm	how do i remove help files?	03:04
AStorm	just the same, but you need "red pill mode"	03:05
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AStorm	google for the info	03:05
zakmm	ah nevermind then	03:05
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zakmm	ok the ifconfig wlan0 ?	03:05
zakmm	what was after wlan0?	03:05
KotCzarny	try ping first	03:05
NullM0dem	I always thought swapping to SD cards to be bad, do the newer cards hold up better in terms of the number of write's and deletes ?	03:06
Grackle	yes	03:06
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Grackle	They are smarter about handling errors, too.	03:07
zakmm	just one ping line.. which i got withut root	03:07
zakmm	and then it like freezes	03:07
zakmm	like loading..	03:07
NullM0dem	thnkas	03:07
AStorm	zakmm, so pings don't reach anyone	03:07
Grackle	Does anyone know how to change the foreground color in osso-xterm?	03:07
AStorm	check netstat -r	03:07
AStorm	if there is a default route	03:08
AStorm	Grackle: I guess standard ~/.Xresources might work	03:08
KotCzarny	grackle: it's in the prefs	03:08
AStorm	yup, it is	03:08
Grackle	Oh, that it is. I didn't think it would be in the font settings dialog, so I never clicked there. Huh.	03:08
KotCzarny	:)	03:09
zakmm	wlan 192.168.10.1 gateway ... genmask 0.0.0.0 flags UG ?	03:09
NullM0dem	do the menus work in Xterm?	03:09
zakmm	me?	03:09
zakmm	o n/m	03:09
KotCzarny	my head hurts, ugh, bbl	03:09
NullM0dem	sorry im all over	03:09
zakmm	what was that site with the repos?	03:12
AStorm	zakmm: read the topic, d'oh	03:12
AStorm	e.g. /topi	03:13
AStorm	/topic	03:13
AStorm	:>	03:13
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zakmm	ahhh thx	03:14
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zakmm	gonna add as a bookmark	03:15
zakmm	so when im in school tomorrow	03:15
zakmm	i can add the repos	03:16
AStorm	:>	03:16
zakmm	would it be dumb to add all repos? all 49 ?	03:16
AStorm	bad idea	03:16
zakmm	k	03:16
AStorm	add maemo-extras, and maybe maemo-extras-devel	03:16
AStorm	maybe that one with ogg-support, by Thomas Kulve	03:16
zakmm	school has fast internet so i dont mind download time geting from all repos	03:16
zakmm	but yeah	03:16
AStorm	others only if strictly needed	03:16
zakmm	school has 44mbit down	03:16
KotCzarny	heh..	03:17
AStorm	some have unstable software	03:17
zakmm	ah	03:17
KotCzarny	how much space you have on your 770?	03:17
KotCzarny	;)	03:17
AStorm	even maemo-extras-devel is stretching it	03:17
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zakmm	how come i cant add bookmarks?	03:17
AStorm	huh?	03:17
zakmm	theres no add button?	03:17
zakmm	in "my bookmarks"	03:17
AStorm	there is in the browser	03:17
zakmm	ohh n/m	03:17
zakmm	the file menu	03:17
AStorm	too	03:17
zakmm	i cant in browser.. no net right now	03:18
AStorm	...	03:18
AStorm	no, you can	03:18
AStorm	even w/o net	03:18
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zakmm	so i add maemo extras?	03:19
AStorm	yes, that should be added already I think	03:19
zakmm	Kotcrzarny: not sure .. probably only like 15mb	03:19
AStorm	but some repos which are added, are broken	03:19
zakmm	i just flashed?	03:19
zakmm	to 2008HE	03:20
KotCzarny	it was rethoric question	03:20
KotCzarny	:)	03:20
AStorm	that is the distro/version entry isn't valid	03:20
zakmm	Browser addons and extensions for the microB web browser.	03:20
zakmm	is microb the default browser?	03:20
zakmm	i thought it was opera?	03:20
AStorm	not in OS 2008	03:20
KotCzarny	not anymore in os2008	03:20
zakmm	ah	03:20
AStorm	microb is better	03:20
zakmm	i heard there was a adblock app? to make net faster?	03:21
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AStorm	no, it slows things down	03:21
AStorm	esp. browser startup	03:21
KotCzarny	junkbuster ? ;)	03:21
zakmm	hah	03:21
AStorm	junkbuster breaks pages ;P	03:21
zakmm	minefield firefox on the n800 :P	03:21
zakmm	repo	03:21
AStorm	privoxy too, but less	03:21
zakmm	it was called "adblock" i heard	03:21
zakmm	i saw it on my 2006 in application manager i think	03:21
AStorm	adblock is a plugin	03:21
KotCzarny	astorm: that's why i use junkbuster instead of privoxy	03:21
AStorm	but it's SLOW	03:21
AStorm	don't use it	03:21
zakmm	RTComm Beta ?	03:21
zakmm	what is that	03:22
AStorm	KotCzarny: junkbuster breaks pages	03:22
AStorm	zakmm: the chat application, beta version	03:22
KotCzarny	astorm: which ones?	03:22
zakmm	is it good?	03:22
AStorm	with improved support for voice comm	03:22
zakmm	would it be bad for me?	03:22
AStorm	and more IM protocols	03:22
AStorm	well, it's stable	03:22
zakmm	considering im nokia 770 and all	03:22
AStorm	who knows, should work well	03:22
zakmm	ah ill just wait lol	03:23
zakmm	im trying to do so much so fast	03:23
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zakmm	device has 36mb avaliable	03:24
AStorm	not too much	03:24
zakmm	hey	03:24
zakmm	on the internet call i can add SIP	03:24
AStorm	but an SD card and move the system there	03:24
AStorm	zakmm: exactly	03:24
zakmm	cant i add my voipbuster account or something?	03:24
zakmm	and call people?	03:25
AStorm	...	03:25
KotCzarny	astorm: it's 770	03:25
KotCzarny	no sd	03:25
KotCzarny	:)	03:25
AStorm	yes, you can, but performance won't be high	03:25
AStorm	KotCzarny: RS-MMC, who cares	03:25
AStorm	;P	03:25
KotCzarny	isn't sd incompatible with mmc?	03:25
zakmm	describe not high? :P	03:25
AStorm	KotCzarny: it is compatible	03:25
AStorm	mostly	03:25
zakmm	rs-mmc not mmc :P	03:25
AStorm	at least electrically	03:25
AStorm	you need to hack the enclosure though	03:25
AStorm	or the socket	03:25
KotCzarny	now that would be a coll project :P	03:26
AStorm	and have protocol support in the kernel (should be already there)	03:26
KotCzarny	cool	03:26
AStorm	People have done it already ;>	03:26
zakmm	should internet call work fine for me .. over SIP ?	03:26
KotCzarny	astorm: link ? :)	03:26
zakmm	i saw a pic	03:26
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zakmm	of someone who opened a nokia 770.. there was a miniSD adapter in it?	03:26
KotCzarny	hmm	03:26
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KotCzarny	then it's cool	03:26
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KotCzarny	:)	03:27
zakmm	it was on.. show me screenshots internettablettalk forum	03:27
zakmm	dont remember the page	03:27
zakmm	would internet call work for me?	03:27
KotCzarny	i have thought it has mmc reader only	03:27
AStorm	yes, it only has MMC	03:27
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AStorm	you have to mod it to support SD too	03:28
AStorm	and no SDHC for you	03:28
zakmm	anyone wanna sell me a RS-MMC? :P	03:28
AStorm	shops will	03:28
AStorm	if you look well, you'll find it	03:28
zakmm	a local shop	03:28
zakmm	sells 1gb for $60 -l;-	03:29
AStorm	so what? ;P	03:29
AStorm	these are uncommon	03:29
AStorm	and MMC were always more expensive (due to "standarization")	03:29
zakmm	you can call peoples houses with google talk .. in internet call?	03:29
AStorm	yes	03:29
AStorm	but I'm not sure if SU-18 has enough CPU power	03:30
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KotCzarny	astorm: isn't sd--sdhc difference only in driver?	03:31
AStorm	no	03:31
KotCzarny	ie. software side ?	03:31
AStorm	in voltage	03:31
AStorm	it depends on how the hardware is designed	03:31
AStorm	sometimes just software, sometimes not	03:31
AStorm	needs to support lower voltage	03:31
KotCzarny	hmm, ie 3.3 vs 5v mmc?	03:32
AStorm	no	03:32
AStorm	SD is 3V	03:32
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AStorm	SDHC is lower, encoded in the header	03:32
KotCzarny	i don't remember exactly	03:32
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KotCzarny	but i saw in dmesg 3.3v	03:33
KotCzarny	for my sdhc cards	03:33
AStorm	3.0V	03:33
KotCzarny	let me check	03:33
AStorm	for your internal chip ;P	03:33
AStorm	which is normal SD	03:33
KotCzarny	no it's not	03:33
AStorm	my card grabs 2,7V	03:33
KotCzarny	:)	03:33
KotCzarny	i have n800	03:33
AStorm	ahha	03:33
AStorm	so read dmesg	03:33
KotCzarny	2.8	03:34
KotCzarny	let's check other card	03:34
KotCzarny	3v	03:35
AStorm	as I said, it's lower than 3V ;)	03:35
AStorm	might be 3V, depends	03:35
KotCzarny	both are sdhc	03:36
KotCzarny	one is bigger though	03:36
KotCzarny	[523786.632812] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)	03:36
KotCzarny	[523788.671875] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x29)	03:36
KotCzarny	i can't see messages about internal flash though	03:37
KotCzarny	hum	03:37
AStorm	VMMC is the internal afaicr	03:37
KotCzarny	e-e	03:37
AStorm	internal flash isn't regulated like that	03:37
KotCzarny	internal i mean onenand flash	03:37
AStorm	KotCzarny: VMMC is the internal MMC	03:37
AStorm	KotCzarny: that flash has no controllable voltage	03:37
AStorm	it's constant, I guess 3,3V	03:37
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KotCzarny	maybe that's where i saw 3.3	03:38
AStorm	most likely nothing uses 5V	03:38
AStorm	(as the cell is 3,7V for a reason ;P )	03:38
KotCzarny	[ 1.523437] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 3300 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x39)	03:38
KotCzarny	hrmpf.	03:38
KotCzarny	at the bootup it was 3.3	03:39
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KotCzarny	then went down to 2.8	03:39
AStorm	yes	03:39
AStorm	in SD mode	03:39
AStorm	then it was set to SDHC	03:39
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zakmm	on the nokia	03:40
AStorm	feeling proud? ;P	03:40
KotCzarny	:)	03:40
zakmm	it asks for user and pw for my sip account.. voip username@	03:40
zakmm	Registrar : sip.voipbuster.com	03:40
AStorm	correct	03:40
zakmm	so zakmm@sip.voipbuster.com?	03:40
zakmm	is username for sip ?	03:40
AStorm	just zakmm	03:40
zakmm	the internet call thingy	03:40
AStorm	btw, I suggest you install rtcomm beta if trying voice communication	03:40
zakmm	has a @ after username	03:41
AStorm	it supports STUN better	03:41
zakmm	is it less requirements?	03:41
AStorm	not much less	03:41
AStorm	SU-18 is just too slow ;P	03:41
KotCzarny	hmm	03:41
KotCzarny	i think mtd config is done by the kernel	03:41
zakmm	i did calls on gizmo on 2006 just fine?	03:41
KotCzarny	not by nolo	03:41
zakmm	landline calls?	03:41
AStorm	KotCzarny: yes, by the kernel	03:42
AStorm	but voltage is constant	03:42
KotCzarny	so it should be fairly easy to create bigger kernel	03:42
KotCzarny	:)	03:42
unixSnob	STUN?	03:42
AStorm	unixSnob: GOOGLE, fscking use it	03:42
KotCzarny	unless nolo won't like it	03:42
AStorm	Nolo does broadcast partition table data	03:42
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* KotCzarny prods unixsnob		03:43
AStorm	so you'd have to disable table parsing	03:43
zakmm	what is presense?	03:43
AStorm	zakmm: presence you mean? like status	03:43
KotCzarny	onenand is 1.8v	03:43
zakmm	i guess?	03:43
AStorm	KotCzarny: possible	03:43
zakmm	at top part near brightness	03:43
AStorm	there are many types of flash	03:43
zakmm	is something called presense?	03:43
AStorm	zakmm: it's the status selector	03:44
AStorm	if you're offline, away, etc.	03:44
AStorm	and the status message	03:44
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zakmm	is there bluetooth on the nokia 770?	03:45
AStorm	should be	03:45
AStorm	wouldn't be much of an internet tablet w/o connection to cell phones	03:45
AStorm	yes, it has BT	03:45
zakmm	so should i have bluetooth on?	03:46
zakmm	i found the setting to turn it on	03:46
AStorm	you may have	03:46
AStorm	it eats power	03:46
AStorm	of course	03:46
zakmm	oh right	03:46
zakmm	can a pc with bluetooth recognize it?	03:46
AStorm	not nearly as much as wifi though	03:46
AStorm	yes, it can	03:46
zakmm	if pc has bluetooth?	03:46
zakmm	sick :D	03:47
AStorm	usually as OBEX file transfer service	03:47
KotCzarny	why sick?	03:47
KotCzarny	it's called technology	03:47
KotCzarny	:)	03:47
zakmm	lol	03:47
AStorm	but if you do it manually, you can use it as networking	03:47
zakmm	rather not, thanks	03:47
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zakmm	ah the 2008HE is wicked :D	03:48
zakmm	slow.. but wicked	03:48
smackpotato	is that for 770	03:48
AStorm	nah, the tablets are just great	03:48
AStorm	smackpotato: yes	03:48
zakmm	yeah	03:48
zakmm	im on a nokia 770 now	03:49
zakmm	i installed 2008HE today on it	03:49
smackpotato	cool	03:49
zakmm	smackpotato: you have a nokia 770?	03:49
smackpotato	my 770 is just lying aroune since i got my 810	03:50
zakmm	lol	03:50
zakmm	wanna sell me it? a friend wants	03:50
zakmm	he looked at mine hes like i wanttt	03:50
zakmm	and another friend is geting a nokia 800 :P	03:50
AStorm	yeah, N810 is so much better	03:50
AStorm	N800 is also	03:50
smackpotato	i think its going to my neice	03:50
AStorm	770 just doesn't have enough power	03:50
AStorm	smackpotato: :-)	03:50
zakmm	we're 16/17 years old	03:50
zakmm	not much cash :P	03:50
zakmm	ok what was that ifconfig wlan0 renew? or something	03:51
smackpotato	im an old man	03:51
AStorm	zakmm: no	03:51
AStorm	you do that with udhcpcd	03:51
AStorm	read up on that	03:51
AStorm	(or just reconnect)	03:51
AStorm	smackpotato: yeah, like, 80? ;P	03:51
zakmm	i reconnected like6 times	03:52
zakmm	no luck	03:52
smackpotato	50 anyway	03:52
KotCzarny	just get that wifi router up	03:52
zakmm	mine?	03:52
KotCzarny	yes	03:52
zakmm	what time is it .. EST	03:52
AStorm	smackpotato: that's not old enough	03:52
AStorm	;P	03:52
zakmm	my clock on pc says Dec 2001 lol	03:52
AStorm	it's 01:53 UTC	03:52
AStorm	almost	03:52
zakmm	how come	03:52
zakmm	it says "data is being transferred"	03:53
AStorm	correct	03:53
zakmm	and shows kbyte/s for send and recieve	03:53
zakmm	but i dont get any like internet ?	03:53
AStorm	so it somewhat works	03:53
zakmm	yeah but nothing works for me	03:53
AStorm	does ping 80.53.32.122 work?	03:53
zakmm	its requesting and geting back nothing lol	03:53
zakmm	onesec	03:53
AStorm	should print timings	03:53
zakmm	i know what ping does :D lol	03:54
AStorm	note, these are dots ;P	03:54
AStorm	it's easy to mistype	03:54
KotCzarny	it would scream about dns then	03:54
AStorm	yep	03:54
zakmm	i get 1 line	03:54
AStorm	or not, it's busybox	03:55
zakmm	and then the terminal is loading?	03:55
AStorm	zakmm: ok, so your route is incorrect	03:55
AStorm	check netstat -r	03:55
zakmm	gateway 192.168.10.1 genmask 0.0.0.0 flags UG ?	03:55
AStorm	that's not enough	03:56
zakmm	and then	03:56
zakmm	theres iface?	03:56
AStorm	ok, so default route works	03:56
zakmm	192.168.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U	03:56
zakmm	above it	03:56
AStorm	try pinging the gateway	03:56
zakmm	hah sorry i aws searching for what i thought you wanted	03:56
AStorm	ping 192.168.10.1 ofc	03:56
zakmm	64bytes from ...	03:57
zakmm	time 3.1ms	03:57
zakmm	alot	03:57
zakmm	stop it	03:57
AStorm	ok	03:57
zakmm	20 packets transmitted, 19 packets recieved, 5% packet loss	03:57
AStorm	so gateway works, but doesn't route packets for you	03:57
AStorm	is it yours?	03:57
zakmm	im guesing cause i did ctrl +c while one was going	03:57
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zakmm	no	03:57
KotCzarny	nope	03:57
zakmm	its neighbors	03:57
zakmm	lol	03:57
zakmm	is it them ?	03:58
AStorm	ok, probably they have routing disabled, or route only some ips	03:58
KotCzarny	that's why i'm telling him to get his router from the closet	03:58
lcuk	Gerrof my lawn, you sheeky kids!	03:58
zakmm	can i do manual ip?	03:58
zakmm	would that work?	03:58
KotCzarny	maybe	03:58
AStorm	zakmm: you don''t know enough to do that ;P	03:58
zakmm	yeah but someones downstairs using net	03:58
zakmm	and changing requires like unplugging lol	03:58
zakmm	yeah i do just tell me	03:58
zakmm	lol	03:58
AStorm	you'd need kismet or similar, which you don't have (it's crashy on IT anyway)	03:58
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zakmm	in connections when you select one	03:59
zakmm	you can edit the saved ones	03:59
zakmm	and do manual ip?	03:59
zakmm	and DNS	03:59
zakmm	and then proxy and all	03:59
KotCzarny	yes	03:59
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AStorm	zakmm: you'll fail anyway ;P	04:01
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AStorm	you must have a degree of knowledge of the network	04:01
* unixSnob thinks even a novice can handle a manual IP		04:02
AStorm	unixSnob: but not guess the right, routed IPs	04:02
AStorm	;P	04:02
AStorm	unless it's 192.168.10.2	04:02
KotCzarny	well	04:02
AStorm	;P	04:02
KotCzarny	that's 256 tries	04:02
KotCzarny	;)	04:02
KotCzarny	and i think 10.1 is the right on	04:02
KotCzarny	only ignoring his ip	04:02
AStorm	I'd use arp personally	04:02
KotCzarny	i'd use nmap	04:02
zakmm	ok	04:02
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zakmm	setting up the wireless in my room	04:03
AStorm	KotCzarny: not good enough	04:03
AStorm	firewall will throw these away	04:03
AStorm	while arp are broadcast correctly	04:03
zakmm	i broung the wireless router to my room	04:03
AStorm	and display present machines	04:03
AStorm	:>	04:03
unixSnob	I don't think it's common for folks to constraint to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet	04:03
KotCzarny	i usually use -p 80 for scanning	04:03
KotCzarny	:)	04:03
unixSnob	s/constraint/constrain/	04:03
infobot	unixSnob meant: I don't think it's common for folks to constrain to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet	04:03
AStorm	unixSnob: sometimes, yes	04:04
AStorm	but in this case, seemingly not	04:05
AStorm	more evil is DHCP on MAC ;)	04:05
zakmm	ill be back .. have to kill internet to use wireless ( changing routers )	04:05
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AStorm	(unless you can get ARP ;P )	04:05
KotCzarny	poor internet..	04:05
KotCzarny	are we gonna die too?	04:06
AStorm	no	04:06
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AStorm	but it's not internet if you cannot connect	04:06
AStorm	it's intranet ;P	04:06
AStorm	or even shadownet ;P	04:06
KotCzarny	with intranet you can connect too	04:06
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KotCzarny	to a limited group though	04:06
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zakmm	ok i got wifi and net works on it :D	04:21
zakmm	my own wireless internet...	04:21
KotCzarny	don't forget to lower txpower on it	04:21
KotCzarny	(on router)	04:22
zakmm	uhm	04:22
zakmm	2.4ghz its at? or something	04:22
KotCzarny	not freq	04:22
KotCzarny	but tx power	04:22
zakmm	WPA2 - password'd?	04:22
KotCzarny	wpa2 could do too	04:22
zakmm	thats what its at	04:22
zakmm	now i have to do repos	04:22
zakmm	there was skype in the application manager? i thought it wouldnt work?	04:23
KotCzarny	don't run out of disk space	04:23
KotCzarny	:)	04:23
zakmm	and zmartell@sip.voipbuster.com didnt work?	04:23
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zakmm	http://www.voipbuster.com/en/sipp.html	04:23
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zakmm	im at that page with all the repos on my nokia and when i click click to install nothing happens	04:25
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Grackle	How can I convince my N800 to mount the memory card somewhere else?	04:31
KotCzarny	edit mmc-mount script	04:31
Grackle	I've made an entry in /etc/fstab, but it still gets m...	04:31
KotCzarny	or just make a symlink	04:31
Grackle	ah ok	04:31
KotCzarny	some things in os depend on /media/mmc{1,2}	04:32
Grackle	Oh, I was asking about that earlier. Hmm.	04:32
zakmm	is canola 2.0.0~beta1~maemo.1 old?	04:32
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Navi	Yeah	04:33
zakmm	thanks	04:34
zakmm	its downloading awfully slow	04:34
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ralann	is there a macosx flasher tool?	04:35
ralann	i saw a page about one but it had no links to the flasher it talked about	04:35
GAN8001	http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29	04:36
ralann	thx	04:36
GAN8001	step 5 has the link	04:36
ralann	i missed that in my lookings	04:36
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zakmm	smart :D	04:38
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ralann	thx that looks easy	04:43
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zakmm	how come my nokia rebooted when i installed skype?	04:45
KotCzarny	out of mem?	04:46
KotCzarny	watchdog?	04:46
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zakmm	oh probably	04:48
zakmm	it restarted	04:48
zakmm	and skype is loggin	04:48
zakmm	yeah skype works?	04:48
zakmm	im logged in	04:48
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zakmm	when i call on skype .. how come i get a "skype recording error" msg	04:51
KotCzarny	no codec?	04:52
KotCzarny	no sound device?	04:52
KotCzarny	google	04:52
zakmm	how would i go about and install?	04:52
zakmm	noo	04:52
zakmm	on the nokia	04:52
KotCzarny	:)	04:52
zakmm	i installed skype . .it logs in	04:52
zakmm	but when i call .. i get that error	04:52
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lopz	hola	05:06
KotCzarny	ola	05:06
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zakmm	"no common codec" from skype?	05:11
KotCzarny	i have heard it today in this chan	05:11
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zakmm	how come sometimes the web is so smooth and others its like a crawl?	05:47
KotCzarny	swapping	05:48
KotCzarny	and low memory	05:48
KotCzarny	maybe some broken js too	05:48
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zakmm	only browser is running	05:48
KotCzarny	so what?	05:48
KotCzarny	:)	05:48
zakmm	it was its own google.. how much js can there be	05:49
KotCzarny	browser is hungry	05:49
KotCzarny	cache?	05:49
zakmm	what do i set it to?	05:49
zakmm	its at 1024	05:49
KotCzarny	hmm	05:49
KotCzarny	don't know	05:50
KotCzarny	just guessing	05:50
zakmm	4096?	05:50
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zakmm	is there something like top for it?	05:53
KotCzarny	yes	05:53
zakmm	system monitor.	05:53
KotCzarny	try: top	05:54
KotCzarny	:)	05:54
zakmm	maemo launcher takes 35.9% cpu and Xomap takes 20.7% cpu?	05:54
zakmm	ahh memory usage*	05:54
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zakmm	wow alot coming and going	06:39
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zakmm	how come audio playback on any player on the 2008HE wont play smooth and like totally freezes the program?	06:50
zakmm	well freezes my nokia too	06:50
KotCzarny	because they probably use the same slave?	06:50
zakmm	is the audio codec's messed or something	06:53
zakmm	gstreamer i believe isnt it?	06:53
KotCzarny	don't know	06:54
zakmm	can i install different ?	06:54
KotCzarny	try itt	06:54
KotCzarny	(internettablettalk.com or .org don't remember)	06:54
zakmm	im there alot .. never seen a topic/post on it though	06:54
KotCzarny	yet	06:54
zakmm	oh	06:54
zakmm	is there xpdf?	06:55
KotCzarny	probably	06:55
KotCzarny	i would suggest you grabbing sdk	06:55
zakmm	im trying to run canola .. but it wont open when i click on it	06:55
zakmm	how hard is it to compile for 2008HE?	06:56
KotCzarny	try running from xterm	06:56
KotCzarny	have you ever compiled on linux?	06:56
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zakmm	the usual autogen.sh ./configure make make install?	06:56
KotCzarny	something like this	06:56
zakmm	and possibly some use flags after ./configure	06:56
KotCzarny	but in scratchbox	06:56
zakmm	depending the app	06:56
KotCzarny	are you familiar with debian?	06:57
KotCzarny	or .debs in general?	06:57
zakmm	i use.. never really made?	06:57
zakmm	dpkg -i or something?	06:57
KotCzarny	it's for installing	06:57
zakmm	i know what they are	06:57
zakmm	;p	06:58
KotCzarny	all of them?	06:58
zakmm	deb's?	06:58
KotCzarny	commands	06:58
zakmm	all of them ?	06:58
zakmm	oh	06:58
zakmm	pretty familar?	06:58
zakmm	dont have much of a memory myself.	06:58
KotCzarny	then you should know about fakeroot dpkg-buildroot then	06:58
zakmm	when i do canola i get Illegal instruction -.-	06:58
KotCzarny	well, then canola guys compiled it for n8x0 cpu, unfortunatelly	06:59
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zakmm	dang	06:59
zakmm	oh well	06:59
zakmm	at least i know its not my nokia :D	06:59
zakmm	well it is but i mean mine specifically	06:59
KotCzarny	yeah, diff. cpu	06:59
zakmm	i start a app and then it opens like 1-2 min later ?	07:00
zakmm	except like terminal	07:00
KotCzarny	low memory	07:00
zakmm	i gave swap?	07:00
KotCzarny	run ubuntu on 64mb	07:00
KotCzarny	see how well it goes	07:00
KotCzarny	:)	07:00
KotCzarny	with browser etc	07:01
zakmm	lol	07:01
zakmm	gnome .. yeah right -.-	07:01
zakmm	gnome is so bloated	07:01
KotCzarny	swap is ~10-20x slower than regular hdd	07:01
zakmm	i wouldnt try any buntu's .. there so slow	07:02
zakmm	its not a harddrive though	07:02
zakmm	its a flash card	07:02
zakmm	-.-	07:02
KotCzarny	system sees it as a block device	07:02
KotCzarny	system doesn't care	07:02
zakmm	so what its like underclocked?	07:02
KotCzarny	just slow	07:02
KotCzarny	i think you can try looking for fanoush page	07:02
KotCzarny	it has some hacks	07:02
KotCzarny	for 770 too	07:03
zakmm	to help my speed? :D	07:03
KotCzarny	don't know	07:03
KotCzarny	:)	07:03
zakmm	xournal is lagging	07:03
KotCzarny	i know that my head is going to kill me	07:03
zakmm	?	07:03
KotCzarny	hurts	07:03
zakmm	see a doctor?	07:04
KotCzarny	nah	07:04
KotCzarny	i'll be dead soon if i did	07:04
zakmm	?	07:04
KotCzarny	don't like doctors	07:04
zakmm	why?	07:04
zakmm	omg it restarted	07:05
zakmm	i have so much swap though.. why is it out of mem?	07:05
KotCzarny	because 64+32 isn't quite enough?	07:05
KotCzarny	n8x0 has 128mb of ram	07:05
zakmm	ah	07:05
zakmm	how much does ur have	07:05
zakmm	with swap	07:05
KotCzarny	128	07:06
zakmm	how does 2007HE look?	07:06
KotCzarny	i turn on swap if i know i will run memory hog app	07:06
zakmm	does it look like 2008?	07:06
KotCzarny	don't know	07:06
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KotCzarny	i have seen only os2008	07:06
zakmm	i can make more swap .. delete stuff on my mem card?	07:06
KotCzarny	don't know	07:07
zakmm	what is maemo application launcher	07:08
zakmm	it takes like 65% mem usage	07:08
KotCzarny	hum?	07:08
zakmm	i ran "top" in xterm	07:08
Proteous	the max swap you can enable by default on a 770 is 64mb	07:09
KotCzarny	numbers in top aren't exactly what you think they are	07:09
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Proteous	"numbers in top may be closer then they appear"	07:09
KotCzarny	prot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus_syndrome	07:09
KotCzarny	:>	07:09
Proteous	now you know why I haven't posted any pictures of myself!!!	07:10
Proteous	heh	07:10
Proteous	luckly I don't spell my name that way :p	07:10
KotCzarny	you mean, your ersion has a typo?	07:10
KotCzarny	:P	07:11
Proteous	must be because of my overgrown hands	07:11
zakmm	only a few more than 200 cases have been confirmed worldwide, with estimates that about 120 people are currently alive with the condition	07:11
Proteous	I make millions by letting scientists study me	07:11
Proteous	muhahahahahaa	07:11
Proteous	cough	07:11
KotCzarny	in dark times they were called 'freaks of nature'	07:11
zakmm	sad	07:12
Proteous	"Merrick himself died when the weight of his head dislocated his neck while asleep."	07:12
Proteous	!!!	07:12
KotCzarny	:)	07:12
KotCzarny	yup, evolution hates some people	07:12
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zakmm	whats "Maemo launcher"	07:14
KotCzarny	probably some 'acceleration app'	07:14
zakmm	ahh i really like 2008HE UI :(	07:14
zakmm	it takes 65% mem usage.. maemo launcher	07:14
KotCzarny	but in low mem condition it may slow everything down	07:15
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KotCzarny	look for a way to disable it	07:15
zakmm	?	07:15
zakmm	killall maemo-launcher? :D	07:15
johnx	the version of top on the tablets lies	07:15
johnx	...about mem usage	07:15
zakmm	terrible vesion then	07:15
zakmm	hi johnx :D	07:16
zakmm	remember me	07:16
johnx	yeah	07:16
zakmm	i got 2008HE going	07:16
zakmm	but its so slow :(	07:16
johnx	awesome	07:16
johnx	not so awesome	07:16
zakmm	KotCzarny: killing it restarted the nokia	07:17
KotCzarny	i know	07:17
KotCzarny	:)	07:17
zakmm	johnx: know any speedups i could do ?	07:17
zakmm	my main problem is running nothing but xterm = 97% mem usage	07:17
johnx	kill off metalayer-crawler	07:17
KotCzarny	that's why i have said 'disabling' and not 'killing'	07:17
zakmm	i did that already	07:17
johnx	turn on some swap	07:17
zakmm	i did 32mb?	07:17
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zakmm	i know its not alot :( but i cant do much more	07:17
zakmm	would like 48mb help more?	07:18
johnx	type free	07:18
zakmm	yeah	07:18
johnx	see what the swap usage is	07:18
zakmm	it uses 97% with just xterm	07:18
johnx	of swap?	07:18
zakmm	no	07:18
zakmm	of normal system	07:18
johnx	how much is cached?	07:18
zakmm	onsec	07:18
zakmm	it doesnt show cached?	07:19
zakmm	it stops at share?	07:19
johnx	it should, either in free or top	07:19
KotCzarny	paste results of 'free' on pastebin.com	07:19
zakmm	top says	07:19
zakmm	21952k cached	07:19
KotCzarny	and give us link	07:19
zakmm	60644k used	07:20
zakmm	1580k free	07:20
zakmm	how? its on my nokia?	07:20
KotCzarny	pastebin.com is a website	07:20
zakmm	i know	07:20
zakmm	but you want me to retype what i see?	07:20
johnx	ssh in? or hilight it in xterm and open up the browser?	07:20
KotCzarny	i think you can copy and paste?	07:20
zakmm	lol johnx: you dont understand how long browser takes to open	07:21
zakmm	dont have ssh	07:21
zakmm	cant ssh a windows pc can you?	07:21
johnx	putty	07:21
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zakmm	should i download rdesktop?	07:21
zakmm	i saw it in the repo	07:21
johnx	anyways, in top, how much does it say is cached	07:21
johnx	that's the only number I want :)	07:21
zakmm	21952k .. out of 60644k used	07:21
johnx	so 21952k caches	07:22
johnx	s/s/d	07:22
zakmm	?	07:22
johnx	anyways, that's not too bad really	07:22
KotCzarny	on an idle os	07:22
KotCzarny	:)	07:22
KotCzarny	starting anything eats ram fast	07:22
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johnx	oh definitely	07:22
zakmm	like now	07:23
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zakmm	xournal just froze on me	07:23
zakmm	only app running	07:23
zakmm	and my battery like died	07:24
GAN8001	You need at least 64MB of swap in OS2008HE	07:24
GAN8001	Remember, OS2008 is designed for a device with 128MB of physical RAM	07:25
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zakmm	i only have the 64mb card	07:25
zakmm	should i go back to 2006/07 .. wait till i get a 1gb card.. come back .. add swap	07:26
zakmm	and it will be alot better?	07:26
KotCzarny	a little better	07:26
KotCzarny	:)	07:26
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zakmm	i love 2008HE	07:26
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Proteous	2008HE hates you though	07:27
Proteous	a match made in the internets	07:27
zakmm	lol	07:27
zakmm	why doesnt the browser have a webkit engine?	07:39
KotCzarny	..yet	07:40
KotCzarny	some people managed to run webkit based thingie	07:40
zakmm	it seems like it would be faster like launching and all	07:40
zakmm	lower footprint?	07:40
KotCzarny	yes	07:40
KotCzarny	and running too	07:40
zakmm	nothing in the making?	07:41
KotCzarny	itt has most of the news	07:41
johnx	midori is nice on the n800	07:42
johnx	it's supposedly not much faster than microb (builtin browser) on the 770 though	07:42
johnx	it's definitely worth a shot	07:42
zakmm	i figure ill try low apps lol	07:43
zakmm	but keep the 2008HE	07:43
zakmm	learn to compile and do like xpdf and stuff	07:44
KotCzarny	wanna links2 browser?	07:44
zakmm	links -g	07:44
KotCzarny	:)	07:44
zakmm	links2.1pre33	07:44
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Proteous	bah, wget and cat is good enough for anyone	07:45
johnx	wget? bah!	07:45
johnx	I telnet to port 80	07:45
zakmm	lol	07:46
Proteous	sometimes that's even a bit much, telneting to port 80 is calming	07:46
Proteous	:P	07:46
KotCzarny	hmm	07:46
zakmm	i cant download :P	07:46
zakmm	not enough space	07:46
Proteous	you might have to get rid of some of the pr0n then	07:46
Proteous	or just give up	07:46
zakmm	lol	07:46
zakmm	im going to bed	07:47
KotCzarny	don't want that links2 binary?	07:47
KotCzarny	:)	07:47
zakmm	you have it?	07:47
KotCzarny	compiling	07:47
zakmm	i got school in like 6-7 hours	07:47
zakmm	your compiling it now?	07:47
KotCzarny	2.3megs	07:47
KotCzarny	have that much space?	07:47
zakmm	too much lol	07:47
zakmm	dont think so	07:47
zakmm	well on memory i do .. but i have to install	07:47
zakmm	device doesnt.	07:47
KotCzarny	remove something :)	07:48
zakmm	installed too much to try stuff lol	07:48
zakmm	evince is wicked :D	07:48
zakmm	evince 2.21.7	07:48
zakmm	couldnt even do 2.22 stable -.-	07:48
zakmm	mess with useflags.. take out stuff you dont want :D	07:48
zakmm	add ssl and graphics to links :P	07:49
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KotCzarny	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/links770.gz	07:49
zakmm	hey is claws mail / sylpheed any good for the nokia?	07:49
zakmm	would that work for me?	07:49
KotCzarny	use wget to get it	07:50
KotCzarny	gzip -d to unpack	07:50
KotCzarny	and chmod +x to make it runnable	07:51
zakmm	wont download.. ( on my pc )	07:51
KotCzarny	typo?	07:51
zakmm	i copy pasted?	07:51
zakmm	;p	07:51
zakmm	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/links770.gz	07:52
KotCzarny	if you use ie add http://	07:52
zakmm	i use opera 9.50 beta 2	07:52
zakmm	came out last week :P	07:52
zakmm	so awesome	07:52
KotCzarny	also make sure your firewall/av doesn't block	07:53
zakmm	who says i have one? :P	07:53
KotCzarny	HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK	07:53
KotCzarny	Length: 1,698,807 (1.6M) [text/plain]	07:53
KotCzarny	i say	07:53
KotCzarny	because works for me	07:54
zakmm	your connecting to yourself	07:54
KotCzarny	:)	07:54
KotCzarny	nope	07:54
zakmm	of course its going to work	07:54
KotCzarny	i have tried from a shell account	07:54
KotCzarny	somewhere in the world	07:54
zakmm	for all i know you localhost'd that	07:54
zakmm	really	07:54
zakmm	how'd you get it? :D	07:54
KotCzarny	Resolving mrrau.dyndns.org... 68.162.32.101	07:54
zakmm	i want :D	07:54
KotCzarny	so it's not local	07:54
KotCzarny	make friends with some admins	07:54
KotCzarny	then just ask nicely for an account	07:55
johnx	it "works for me"	07:55
KotCzarny	maybe i should have added .exe to it	07:56
KotCzarny	for opera/ie	07:56
KotCzarny	:)	07:56
zakmm	how come 2008 is sucking so much battery?	07:57
KotCzarny	maybe some background process	07:57
KotCzarny	but i would bet on low memory and constant swapping/rereading	07:58
zakmm	it died in like 3 hrs	07:58
zakmm	frm full to like dead	07:58
zakmm	and i have brightness on like the lowest	07:58
KotCzarny	and wifi on	07:59
KotCzarny	and you were using it	07:59
KotCzarny	:)	07:59
johnx	hmm...they probably didn't spend as much time tuning the power savings also	07:59
zakmm	bbefore i flashed .. in 2006 i had like 2 days with it before battery started going down	07:59
KotCzarny	my bet is on low memory though	07:59
zakmm	johnx: do you know why audio freezes my nokia?	07:59
zakmm	audio playback in any player	07:59
johnx	on the 770 in os2008he? no idea...	08:00
* johnx has an n800		08:00
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lopz	night	08:01
johnx	'night	08:02
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RST38h	yawn	08:16
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Cptnodegard	gotta love the pure retardness of gizmodo articles	08:24
Cptnodegard	Spotted at Buy.com with an MSRP of $479. Still not sure how this thing is going to work on WiMAX when no one has WiMAX and also, not many people use these tablets.	08:25
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johnx	yeah, just read that, too	08:25
johnx	my comment is waiting in their queue I guess	08:25
Cptnodegard	i think they disabled commenting for me because i called them retards a few times	08:25
johnx	so I guess this is as good a place to ask as any: Does anyone know if clearwire in the US will actually work with an off-the-shelf wimax card that supports their frequency?	08:26
johnx	in other words, will the n810 wimax work with clearwire?	08:28
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AStorm	well, conservative cpufreq is better than ondemand	16:40
AStorm	(even tuned ondemand)	16:40
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Khertan_TheReal	pffff	16:43
Khertan_TheReal	ondemand will always be better ... specially for battery	16:44
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ssvb	AStorm: could you clarify? how did you reproduce it?	16:46
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ssvb	AStorm: was it poweroff dialog?	16:46
AStorm	ssvb: notg related to mplayer	16:46
AStorm	in many apps	16:46
AStorm	with ondemand, I get rare random skips	16:47
AStorm	(even when threshold is increased)	16:47
ssvb	AStorm: I was asking about regaining focus	16:47
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AStorm	ah, that just try a few times	16:49
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AStorm	sometimes you'll get a black screen	16:49
AStorm	eswp. often if video is paused	16:50
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AStorm	it tends to come back after some more switches	16:50
AStorm	ofc. with omapfb	16:50
AStorm	it has an artifact if something else also tries to paint (e.g. home menu)	16:55
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huats	does anybody is able to tell me if pygtk on the n810 supports svg manipulation ?	17:13
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lardman	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3123 we can now do fb output from the DSP on the N8x0 as well as the 770	17:24
KotCzarny	whoo hoo	17:26
KotCzarny	:)	17:26
qwerty12	nice one :)	17:26
lardman	thanks for sending me the kernel source when the repo was down :)	17:26
qwerty12	np, glad it helped :) for something as good as this :) thanks	17:26
X-Fade_	lardman: Nice!	17:27
lardman	ssvb: I didn't get round to trying the mplayer YUV output stuff, but will do some now that I've got that little problem sorted	17:27
* qwerty12 is off to download Ubuntu Hardy and OpenSUSE and reformat. If I can get hardy to play nice with sbox, I'll use that. If not, OpenSUSE time.		17:27
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Blafasel	I dumped Ubuntu after a short try yesterday	17:34
Blafasel	OpenSuse worked out of the box and nice with my dualhead, ubuntu stubbornly insisted to use a cloned setup (instead of an expanded one) and provided no gui to fix that. Not easy enough for my gf ;)	17:35
RST38h	reinstall Hardy again? =)	17:35
qwerty12	I don't mind it, I thought 7.10 was great for scratchbox, worked out of the box with it but I'm really peed off with 8.04. I applied the two fixes for sbox under hardy but some packages still will not install and if I ignore it, I get compile errors and "sbox is not properly set up" when I log out and log in again	17:35
KotCzarny	blafasel: ever heard about xrandr command?	17:35
qwerty12	RST38h, I'm trying it again :)	17:36
qwerty12	But if it fails, I'm grabbing opensuse.	17:36
KotCzarny	well, girls can use cmd line too	17:36
KotCzarny	i know a few that can at least	17:37
KotCzarny	:)	17:37
ccooke	Blafasel: (Not trying to convince you to switch; Suse's not a bad system) There is a GUI for that... It's the display resolution changer	17:38
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Khertan_TheReal	i ve swith too ... no more ubuntu at home ... for debian !	17:39
Khertan_TheReal	i ve try gOS but ... they now use gnome and it s now based on ubuntu ... :(	17:39
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qwerty12	I quite like the idea of LinuxMint but its based on Ubuntu too.	17:40
RST38h	qwerty: OpenSUSE is even worse	17:40
RST38h	Wiped my MBR once	17:41
ccooke	RST38h: That can happen with any system	17:41
RST38h	ccooke: Still, SUSE was the only one with which it happened to me.	17:41
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qwerty12	>.<. But I've wiped my MBR so much, I keep a boot cd full of stuff on it. Some illegal, some not so illegal.	17:41
KotCzarny	dos was notorious in wiping partition table	17:41
KotCzarny	:>	17:41
Navi	gOS was always based on Ubuntu	17:42
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RST38h	Well, SUSE didn't completely wipe it, but rendered it unusable	17:42
RST38h	And uneditable with FDISK	17:42
Khertan_TheReal	LinuxMint seems based on Debian	17:42
Navi	MBRs being wiped isn't bad :p	17:42
ccooke	RST38h: ... that sounds like hardware failure	17:42
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RST38h	So I had to boot from floppy and edit it by hand using some reeeally hacky tool	17:42
Navi	that bad*	17:42
RST38h	ccooke: to me it sounds like screwed up installation script in SUSE	17:43
ccooke	RST38h: fdisk can recover (even if recovery means "replace with a blank one and start again") from a bad partition table	17:43
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Khertan_TheReal	is their some people using sqlite with python ...	17:43
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qwerty12	The thing is, I want Ubuntu to work, i'm reformatting with a clean install of Hardy but if it doesn't work, I'm going to OpenSUSE which seems very popular too. I'd like to try Debian but last stable was a year ago and I don't like unstable release. But saying that, new Debian is coming out. But except for the background, debian desktop looks boring :/	17:44
Khertan_TheReal	i looking for the datetime format that sqlite understand	17:44
RST38h	ccooke: SUSE set the secondary partition in a state where FDISK.EXE could not blank it	17:44
Khertan_TheReal	i ve tryed datetime.datetime.now().isoformat()	17:44
ccooke	ah, dos fdisk	17:44
ccooke	sorry	17:44
Navi	lol	17:44
RST38h	And could not use it either	17:44
RST38h	And to use linux fdisk you need a running copy of Linux, don't you?	17:44
RST38h	Which is kinda difficult if your HD has damaged MBR, right?	17:45
ccooke	RST38h: not really	17:45
KotCzarny	livecd	17:45
KotCzarny	:)	17:45
KotCzarny	or usb boot	17:45
KotCzarny	or second pc	17:45
RST38h	Laptop. No CD.	17:45
KotCzarny	pcmcia boot can do too	17:45
ccooke	you can get a shell on the installation media of every linux distro I've seen in ages	17:45
Khertan_TheReal	network boot up :	17:45
RST38h	Actually, the solution was much simpler	17:45
Khertan_TheReal	:)	17:45
Navi	liveusb	17:45
RST38h	1. DOS floppy 2. manual MBR editor 3. Mix, boot, edit 4. Never touch SUSE again.	17:46
KotCzarny	btw. you can have linux on a floppy too	17:46
KotCzarny	:)	17:46
RST38h	I would rather not though...	17:46
Khertan_TheReal	http://www.toms.net/rb/	17:46
KotCzarny	why..	17:46
KotCzarny	fits nicely	17:46
KotCzarny	:)	17:46
qwerty12	gOS looks tacky :p	17:46
RST38h	'cause I just want thing to work and not to cause me problems	17:46
KotCzarny	i wouldn't trust anything created by fdisk.exe	17:47
RST38h	In fact, FreeBSD usually does just that - works, does not cause problems	17:47
KotCzarny	:)	17:47
RST38h	Ubuntu is pretty much the first Linux distro that does the same for me	17:47
* qwerty12 is burning 8.10 now. I'm gonna remove my linux partitions, reinstall xp mbr and set xp to be active again and go through the Ubuntu install again.		17:49
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* KotCzarny installed slackware 8.0 long time ago		17:50
KotCzarny	then it's 'just working [tm]'	17:50
KotCzarny	:)	17:50
* Navi needs to axe XP and resize his media partition		17:50
KotCzarny	with upgradepkg here and there of course	17:50
qwerty12	Slackware, while not bad, seems too much for me. I can't be arsed to compile (I believe that's how it works?)	17:50
KotCzarny	axe media partition and resize xp	17:50
KotCzarny	qwerty: you're confusing it with gentoo	17:51
KotCzarny	:)	17:51
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qwerty12	Doh, thanks. I get my distros mixed up	17:51
Navi	it's a binary distro	17:51
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KotCzarny	sources are available too	17:52
KotCzarny	:)	17:52
Navi	though, a lot of sllackers compile shtick, last i used it	17:52
KotCzarny	well, you usually compile if you hack something	17:52
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qwerty12	"Slackware's mascot - Tux with a pipe", I still think the idea of Ganja instead looks better.	17:53
KotCzarny	afair there wasn't any clarifications what's IN the pipe	17:54
KotCzarny	may be bubble gum as well	17:54
KotCzarny	and smoking kills	17:54
KotCzarny	be it tobacco or ganja	17:54
qwerty12	Bubut someone called Arnim Sauerbier said "people use drugs to prevent death. people use drugs because death is inevitable" so what does it matter? :P	17:55
KotCzarny	ever been in pain? :P	17:56
KotCzarny	pain matters	17:56
KotCzarny	:)	17:56
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qwerty12	Well, I've never been in serious pain that makes me go to drugs but I did scrape my hand a lot smashing up and breaking my N-Gage with some sort of enlargened allen key. Damn, these Finnish love to make a strong product.	17:58
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KotCzarny	:)	17:58
KotCzarny	anything is breakable	17:58
qwerty12	Bye, I gtg to reformat :)	17:59
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KotCzarny	:)	17:59
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sp3000	hmm, did I ask this recently	18:21
sp3000	anyone happen to know if you can change modest's plaintext compose font to something decent instead of the ultra-wiry courier?	18:22
KotCzarny	gtkrc ?	18:22
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mourad	hello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0 but i can't find the library "libxslt" to use it, how can i proceed ?	18:26
* sp3000 wouldn't know where to put it or what to put in it		18:27
sp3000	I suppose ~/.gtkrc is a decent guess for the first	18:27
KotCzarny	i think /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 or something	18:27
KotCzarny	but more probably /usr/share/themes/	18:27
KotCzarny	:)	18:27
KotCzarny	just write modest's author	18:28
KotCzarny	it will be simpler	18:28
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sp3000	!summon djcb	18:31
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sp3000	hm, that didn't work	18:33
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qwerty12	Hello :). I speak from a newly installed 8.10. Time to install fglrx to fix my brightness and try out scratchbox.	18:40
sp3000	or, I could just sneak in and replace the ttf :P	18:41
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CrashandDie	Hey everyone	18:41
CrashandDie	I'm looking to pick up some storage for my N810, got any links ? (preferably 8GB microsd + micro-mini-sd adapter)	18:42
CrashandDie	(I'm in Europe btw)	18:42
* sp3000 doesn't see references to anything but a sans in the theme rcs		18:42
KotCzarny	ebay.de ?	18:42
CrashandDie	bleh, I don't like buying consumer electronics off ebay	18:43
KotCzarny	some kind of craigslist local to your city?	18:43
CrashandDie	craigslist ?	18:44
KotCzarny	craigslist.org	18:44
KotCzarny	social board	18:45
qwerty12	In UK, we have gumtree. Not exact but similar imo	18:45
KotCzarny	yeah	18:45
KotCzarny	that's the 'some kind of' in my suggestion	18:46
KotCzarny	:)	18:46
CrashandDie	i'm not looking to buy second hand	18:46
KotCzarny	you can buy new sometimes	18:46
CrashandDie	ok nevermind	18:46
KotCzarny	when people bought wrong size etc	18:46
* sp3000 is annoyed		18:47
KotCzarny	sp3000: then just replace the font and see what happens	18:47
KotCzarny	:)	18:47
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sp3000	global awesomeness, I imagine	18:48
KotCzarny	you don't like courier anyway	18:49
KotCzarny	:)	18:49
KotCzarny	i think you can do it in /etc/fonts/somewhere	18:49
KotCzarny	putting an alias to courier	18:49
sp3000	it should go on an extended vacation on the moon with comic, yes	18:49
lardman\|afk	CrashandDie: just make sure you don't get a Sandisk micro to mini adaptor	18:51
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CrashandDie	lardman, why not ?	18:51
sp3000	the shared hallucination (among not-really-monospace-using-people mostly I suppose) that it's some sort of reasonable monospace font is rather unfortunate	18:52
lardman	they don't work; there's a bug on the maemo bugtracker for it	18:52
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* KotCzarny is used to 'fixed'		18:53
KotCzarny	;)	18:53
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CrashandDie	lardman, hmm... k	18:55
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lardman	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2672	18:56
sp3000	hm, but these things have names embedded, no	18:56
KotCzarny	yes	18:56
sp3000	so replacing a file shouldn't actually help at all	18:56
KotCzarny	that's why i suggested /etc/fonts/	18:56
lardman	CrashandDie: Kingston adaptor works with my Sandisk micro SD but the Sandisk adaptor doesn't, for example	18:56
CrashandDie	lardman, ok, good to know	18:57
CrashandDie	lardman, you wouldn't know where I could get that kingston adaptor ?	18:57
qwerty12	From Jamaica? ;P	18:58
KotCzarny	china	18:58
KotCzarny	:)	18:58
lardman	CrashandDie: I had to buy another card	18:58
qwerty12	Hehe, I'd have a great time in China "diverting" shipments..	18:59
lardman	Some people report success with adaptors bought on ebay, so you could give that a go, but ymmv	18:59
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KotCzarny	he hates getting off ebay	19:00
KotCzarny	:)	19:00
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lardman	cu chaps	19:01
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lopz	hi	19:01
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dneary	Hi	19:03
dneary	I made my first NP level :)	19:03
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KotCzarny	dneary: like, new level? or just playing the game?	19:04
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dneary	KotCzarny: design	19:06
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KotCzarny	nice	19:06
KotCzarny	is there an editor?	19:06
dneary	on the N810, you just hit "e"	19:06
KotCzarny	heh..	19:07
KotCzarny	will it work with osk too?	19:07
KotCzarny	:)	19:07
dneary	don't know	19:07
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sp3000	KotCzarny: oh, victory	19:09
sp3000	thanks for the pointers	19:09
KotCzarny	np	19:09
KotCzarny	courier be dead ?	19:10
* sp3000 commented out the NewCourier elements in conf.d/40-* and 60-* so it prefers the next in line		19:10
sp3000	one of the edits is probably unnecessary	19:10
fysa	someone has put the Android fonts on the N800	19:10
fysa	which are supposed to be nice	19:10
sp3000	and reordering would probably be more correct	19:10
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sp3000	but I'll iterate next time	19:11
KotCzarny	or adding 39-sp3000-something?	19:11
KotCzarny	:)	19:11
sp3000	hey, that level of correctness approaches packageability	19:12
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sp3000	careful	19:12
KotCzarny	:)	19:12
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KotCzarny	group hating?	19:12
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sp3000	hm, thnk that's the way the priority goes, and not overriding in later files in order?	19:13
* sp3000 has no idea		19:13
fysa	http://www.typophile.com/node/39036	19:13
KotCzarny	don't know	19:13
KotCzarny	really	19:13
KotCzarny	:)	19:13
fysa	I don't know if that's it.	19:13
KotCzarny	then 41-sp3000	19:13
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sp3000	or >60, depending on which one the useful fix is	19:13
KotCzarny	99-local-sp3000 then	19:14
KotCzarny	:)	19:14
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dneary	Hmmm	19:16
dneary	Can't figure out how to find those levels now	19:16
qwerty12	Ok, packages for CHINOOK_ARMEL are downloading. If I have no problems, Ubuntu it is :). If I do, OpenSUSE download time. I've downloaded sbox 20 times in total. I'm not gonna keep trying for Ubuntu.	19:16
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Paulius	Hey all	19:17
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johnx	hey	19:17
Paulius	OS2008 is very nice, but certain things are slow.	19:18
Atarii	wb Paulius	19:18
Paulius	I'll get beardrop installed and will try optimizing it	19:18
qwerty12	that's just cruel :p	19:19
Paulius	i.e.: removing services and trying the few kernel tricks that post recommended.	19:19
qwerty12	dropbear perhaps? :)	19:19
KotCzarny	bear droppings.. augh	19:19
Paulius	lol	19:19
Paulius	right right	19:19
fysa	sounds military	19:19
KotCzarny	and installing them anywhere?	19:19
fysa	operation beardrop	19:19
KotCzarny	aughaugh	19:19
qwerty12	lol	19:19
KotCzarny	more like diversion	19:20
Paulius	hmmm	19:20
Paulius	can't find it on maemo	19:20
KotCzarny	install ssh-server	19:20
Paulius	ah	19:20
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KotCzarny	or simply install ssh meta package	19:21
qwerty12	openssh is better than dropbear imho. Only advantage of dropbear is that bootmenu (if you use it) doesn't need to keep generating ssh keys.	19:21
Paulius	but it also uses less RAM.	19:21
KotCzarny	but doesn't drop bears	19:22
KotCzarny	on unsuspected tableteers	19:22
MangoFusion	where are my bears?	19:22
KotCzarny	*unsuspecting	19:22
qwerty12	Where you left them?	19:22
MangoFusion	i can't bear life without them!	19:22
KotCzarny	ask google	19:22
johnx	MangoFusion, they were dropped	19:22
KotCzarny	now	19:22
KotCzarny	here's your bear	19:22
MangoFusion	dropped? dropped?! But i paid good money for them! They'll never be the same again!!	19:23
hillct	what's the maemo dist name for the Febuary 2008 OS distribution?	19:23
MangoFusion	;)	19:23
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johnx	chinook, OS2008, maemo 4.0.1	19:24
johnx	51-3	19:24
hillct	thanks	19:24
johnx	lots of names, really :)	19:24
qwerty12	POS, PITA etc	19:24
hillct	and what magic do I need to perform to get root access on it?	19:24
qwerty12	w00t!, SDK installed fine on a clean install of hardy :)	19:24
johnx	hillct, grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com	19:24
KotCzarny	hillct: install ssh-server	19:24
johnx	~easyroot	19:25
hillct	thanks. the root scripty thing keeps changing	19:25
hillct	or at least it seems to	19:25
johnx	becomeroot still works I think	19:25
hillct	yeah, that's the one I used last time around	19:25
johnx	infobot, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com	19:26
infobot	johnx: okay	19:26
hillct	good call	19:26
hillct	as I recall, the packaged version of becomeroot was dist specific, but the script itself works	19:27
qwerty12	I'd recommend easyroot anyway. It can work in the same way as becomeroot plus have a shortcut "root", which sets proper environment for root user profile.	19:27
RST38h	qwerty: it worked?	19:28
RST38h	third time was the magic? =)	19:28
mourad	hello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0 but i can't find the library "libxslt" to use it, how can i proceed ?	19:28
qwerty12	RST38h, yes :). Nope, reformat :)	19:28
qwerty12	Thanks for your help with SB2 but I think SB1 is more for me.	19:29
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* KotCzarny likes sb1 too		19:29
* johnx should setup sb2 again		19:29
qwerty12	Now I can get back to what I do best, make crappy ports :P	19:29
qwerty12	I think SB1 and SB2 conflict with each other, I've never managed to get both installed at same time.	19:30
Proteous	I like SMB1	19:30
johnx	qwerty12, I wouldn't doubt it	19:30
elb	I prefer SMB3	19:31
qwerty12	johnx, true. I assumed they wouldn't because afaik they use different dirs.	19:31
johnx	I don't assume anything when it comes to computers anymore	19:32
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johnx	10 years ago, I assumed win95 would actually work with my computer's hardware since it came installed on the $%*# thing...hah	19:32
KotCzarny	lol	19:32
qwerty12	lol	19:32
* johnx was so glad to see isa pnp die		19:33
hillct	johnx: FYI aparently the .install file extension on nitapps.com is served with the wrong mime type	19:34
Cptnodegard	thigns have changed in 10 years. people who buy computers today dont expect vista to work :p	19:34
johnx	hillct, yeah. I think I remember that happening	19:34
hillct	johnx: I take it it's not your box	19:34
johnx	nope	19:35
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johnx	heh...right now my webhost is auto-spamming me to tell me I'm almost at my bandwidth quota	19:36
KotCzarny	outsource?	19:36
johnx	my mail reading? I like that idea	19:36
johnx	"hey kid, I'll giva ya a shiney nickel to read my email to me"	19:37
solmumaha	anyone know of (c)fdisk for tablet?	19:37
KotCzarny	sfdisk	19:37
KotCzarny	or just use it via usb	19:37
KotCzarny	will work too	19:37
johnx	sfdisk is more painful than fdisk	19:37
solmumaha	thanks	19:37
KotCzarny	johnx: depends on the task	19:37
johnx	fdisk is installed by default though	19:37
KotCzarny	and experience	19:37
KotCzarny	is it?	19:38
KotCzarny	hmm	19:38
johnx	I thought it was O_o	19:38
* johnx checks		19:38
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qwerty12	sfdisk is installed by default	19:38
johnx	ah, guess not	19:38
qwerty12	not sure about fdisk	19:38
KotCzarny	:)	19:38
johnx	ah, ok	19:38
KotCzarny	cfdisk needs some dependencies	19:38
johnx	too many OSes on too many handheld ARM devices	19:38
qwerty12	KotCzarny, be a man and compile them :p	19:39
KotCzarny	qwerty: and who would like to install all of them? :P	19:39
KotCzarny	and i have heard you have working sbox :P	19:39
qwerty12	>.<, you got me there :D :)	19:39
hillct	easyroot is very nice. no file editing etc...	19:40
qwerty12	I'd like to set up sbrsh but my router is a POS. I really need to chip out for a new one...	19:40
johnx	your router doesn't route? doesn't even switch?	19:41
CrashandDie	what's the point of having a router if it doesn't route ?	19:41
johnx	door stop? paper weight? foot warmer?	19:41
qwerty12	Naw, it doesn't like SSH. Firewall is set up fine. I log in via ssh and it stays there forever :/	19:41
CrashandDie	wut ?	19:42
KotCzarny	maybe some idle tcp killer	19:42
CrashandDie	I doubt that's due to the router, honestly	19:42
KotCzarny	or just short connection timeout	19:42
qwerty12	I dunno, it works fine over USB.	19:42
qwerty12	Ports are forwarded correctly.	19:42
KotCzarny	or some active p2p users in da hauz	19:42
qwerty12	Linux and Windows host both crap out :P	19:43
CrashandDie	qwerty12, you don't need to forward ports on local network	19:43
qwerty12	KotCzarny, usually but not today :p	19:43
qwerty12	CrashandDie, true but I did it for correctness as it isn't working for me already.	19:43
johnx	qwerty12, just to ensure there's no possible way it can work?	19:44
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qwerty12	johnx, got it in one. I@	19:44
qwerty12	s/I@/I'm sure it's router.	19:44
CrashandDie	qwerty12, tried changing the ports ?	19:44
johnx	we used to do that at a comp repair shop. Customer would bring in something they thought was broken, we'd tazer it and RMA it for them. :)	19:45
CrashandDie	qwerty12, instead of listening on port 22, get it to listen on port 80 ?	19:45
CrashandDie	qwerty12, or whatever is available	19:45
qwerty12	CrashandDie, I haven't come think of it. I wasn't and still not sure on the hows so I'd read up on it. Thanks :)	19:45
qwerty12	johnx, placebo effect? :)	19:45
CrashandDie	qwerty12, also, try certificate-based auth instead of password	19:46
johnx	also, nmap	19:46
johnx	and ssh -vvv	19:46
qwerty12	CrashandDie, I did set up certs with same problem.	19:46
CrashandDie	plus, certificate based auth is so much easier in the end	19:46
CrashandDie	http://www.koreus.com/jeu/12many.html <-- over 400 this game is way too hard :/	19:47
johnx	and a good guide on how networking works :)	19:47
CrashandDie	johnx, now now, don't be mean	19:47
CrashandDie	johnx, how is debian going ?	19:47
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johnx	hey, we all need a refresher on the basics from time to time. Sometimes I still find I have assumptions that are just totally off the wall	19:48
KotCzarny	-o tcp_keepalive could help too	19:48
johnx	I was on hiatus from Debian for a couple months, but I've been trying to dig back into it recently	19:48
KotCzarny	if it's tcp timeout on the router	19:48
johnx	I'm gonna get a new webhost and try and put out a release that has working keyboard for N810 and N800 w/ usb keyboard	19:49
qwerty12	Hmm, conntrack timeout is 30 seconds. Low or high?	19:49
KotCzarny	low i think	19:49
johnx	penguinbait did a neat "boot from sd" .deb that I should try and copy :)	19:50
KotCzarny	in linux it defaults to 432000 i think	19:50
qwerty12	Ah, thanks. It was "optimised" for p2p :/	19:50
qwerty12	432000 seconds sounds a bit high :?	19:50
johnx	qwerty12, it is for a router with small amounts of RAM	19:51
CrashandDie	anyway, I dropped the idea of getting a new sd card	19:51
johnx	CrashandDie, really? why?	19:51
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CrashandDie	well, I'm moving to the UK, so I don't really need the expense	19:52
qwerty12	johnx, this one for sure. Thanks, I'll set it to something like 3 mins.	19:52
KotCzarny	3mins is too low	19:52
johnx	I think mine is at 30 min to an hour or so	19:52
KotCzarny	just try that tcpkeepalive option in ssh	19:52
johnx	and it depends on which conntrack timeout you're talking about	19:52
CrashandDie	and even though it's only about 80euro, well, bleh, the hell	19:52
qwerty12	johnx, tcp	19:52
CrashandDie	I'll wait for the 16 or 32gig	19:52
johnx	80euros?!	19:52
johnx	ow	19:53
KotCzarny	or buy n800	19:53
KotCzarny	:>	19:53
johnx	aaah, you have an N810 so you're stuck with microsd?	19:53
CrashandDie	yeah	19:53
johnx	2GB normal SD cards are getting close to free...	19:53
qwerty12	CrashandDie, make it fast coming to England. £ cheaper = € :p	19:53
CrashandDie	qwerty12, I'll be there in about 3 months time ;)	19:54
qwerty12	Cool :)	19:54
CrashandDie	btw, does anybody know the rules and regulations about importing a bike to the UK ?	19:54
KotCzarny	driving on the left would kill you...	19:54
KotCzarny	:)	19:54
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CrashandDie	nha, I think I'll handle that	19:55
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CrashandDie	but I mean like, taxes or check ups and stuff ?	19:55
CrashandDie	because I really love this bike :)	19:57
* johnx misses his bike :(		19:57
CrashandDie	And I'd be pretty pissed if I had to sell it in order to get a new one	19:57
CrashandDie	johnx, what did you have ?	19:57
johnx	just a basic trek with front shock...I just mis having a bike	19:58
CrashandDie	oh, and I'm guessing that by your silence, you have no idea about how I would go about converting my french driving licence into a UK one ?	19:58
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qwerty12	CrashandDie, It isn't EU license?	19:58
qwerty12	Because now, you get given EU driving card now afaik	19:58
johnx	is anyone here actually in the UK?	19:58
qwerty12	I am but at 15, i've never bothered to check this stuff out.	19:59
CrashandDie	qwerty12, I dunno, I have the old license, never seen a new one here	19:59
CrashandDie	qwerty12, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^	20:00
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qwerty12	Ah. If you get here, best place is to ask at the post office.	20:00
qwerty12	CrashandDie, nope :p	20:00
qwerty12	I can't ride a bike, some physical weirdness.	20:00
CrashandDie	qwerty12, sorry, wrong nick ^^	20:00
CrashandDie	johnx, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^	20:00
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qwerty12	my N800. "installing clit" :/	20:01
qwerty12	I bs you not.	20:02
johnx	yeah, I know. convert-lit	20:02
qwerty12	I know, I just think it sounds funny :P	20:02
johnx	CrashandDie, yeah...just a bicycle, but it's too expensive to get it shipped :/	20:02
Stskeeps	clit mice could be nice to have at times :P	20:02
johnx	http://xkcd.com/243/ :D	20:03
qwerty12	lol	20:03
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CrashandDie	heh	20:03
Stskeeps	haha	20:03
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johnx	I really liked those. I don't understand why they're so unpopular and instead sub-notebooks have tiny, crappy touchpads	20:05
* qwerty12 didn't like them		20:05
CrashandDie	johnx, clit mice were basically glorified joysticks	20:05
Stskeeps	johnx: patents methinks	20:05
* KotCzarny loves clits		20:05
qwerty12	lol	20:06
johnx	well I guess that answers that. We don't have them anymore because qwerty12 didn't like them. :P	20:06
CrashandDie	hmm	20:06
CrashandDie	now, if we reverse that sentence... "a glorified joy stick is a clit"	20:06
qwerty12	of course, east london mafia held guns to the manufacturers :p	20:06
KotCzarny	rhymes too	20:06
KotCzarny	:)	20:06
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Mousey	I'm BACK!!	20:13
qwerty12	Ello	20:13
johnx	hi	20:13
* Mousey waves		20:14
* KotCzarny suggests mousey to do /nick BACK		20:14
AStorm	first thing I'll do after setting up devel env is porting rtorrent	20:14
AStorm	the torrent client	20:14
qwerty12	AStorm, any better than ctorrent or Transmission?	20:14
* Mousey enjoys abusing /wallchan		20:14
AStorm	qwerty12: much better	20:14
AStorm	alternatively, port Deluge	20:14
qwerty12	Ah	20:14
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AStorm	which uses the same library (a fork actually, but synced)	20:15
qwerty12	I'd like to see Aleph One. I'll have a go sometime but I'm really rubbish. hint hint ;)	20:15
AStorm	KotCzarny: of will you do that? :)	20:15
AStorm	should be like 2 deps	20:15
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KotCzarny	like now?	20:16
AStorm	please port svn/devel if you can	20:16
AStorm	yep	20:16
KotCzarny	i'm barely awake	20:16
qwerty12	I'll try if you want.	20:16
KotCzarny	and qwerty has working sbox	20:16
KotCzarny	:)	20:16
AStorm	qwerty12: :)	20:16
AStorm	Deluge would be nicer ofc	20:16
qwerty12	Go on then :). http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ - this rtorrent? :)	20:17
AStorm	yep	20:17
AStorm	Deluge is like rtorrent with non-ncurses UI :)	20:17
qwerty12	I'm quite bad at GUI apps :/. I'll try rtorrent first :)	20:18
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qwerty12	I've downloaded trunk which is 1 week old.	20:18
AStorm	qwerty12: it's in PyGTK	20:19
AStorm	qwerty12: good	20:20
AStorm	you need libtorrent ofc	20:20
qwerty12	Yeah, I'm compiling that. But I wish they used tar instead of zip, I'm sorting out permissions atm	20:21
AStorm	uhm, use svn?	20:22
qwerty12	Yeah, but I've gone and sorted them out now :). I'll use svn on the rtorrent.	20:22
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qwerty12	Sigh, libtorrent compile is slow and I've only got 5/10 mins left.	20:28
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qwerty12	Ok, I've made a quick deb of libtorrent. I'm compiling rtorrent now.	20:33
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qwerty12	AStorm, here's libtorrent and rtorrent. I haven't tested and it was a quick package up so use dpkg -i to install it. Dependencies should be ok as I only have official maemo repos in scratchbox atm (extras, chinook and extras-devel)	20:42
qwerty12	http://www.mediafire.com/?emc0mday9tz	20:42
qwerty12	Bye.	20:43
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keesj	might be a nice one http://www.transmissionbt.com/	20:43
Paulius	oh my god, I have a genius ideas	20:43
Paulius	*idea	20:43
Paulius	You know these people who hack their linksys routers?	20:44
* johnx raises his hand		20:44
Paulius	Well, they have a hack to put in more RAM. They just solder a 32MB chip instead of the 16MB chip.	20:44
Paulius	Maybe the same is possible with the Internet tablets.	20:44
konttori	By the way, zeenix is working on tracker based upnp server that would run nicely on routers.	20:44
johnx	maybe, we'd need a really dedicated hardware guy to look at it	20:44
johnx	also the board is probably denser on the NITs	20:44
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Paulius	obviously.	20:45
Paulius	But unless it's DDR2, it's not using an FCPGA solder method.	20:45
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Paulius	It's quite easy to unsolder and resolder.	20:45
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johnx	ah, so you're the dedicated hardware guy we need to have do this :D	20:45
Paulius	And no it wouldn't be easy. Would need to get a quite high-density RAM chip.	20:45
AStorm	huh, tar.gz$	20:46
AStorm	?	20:46
Paulius	512 / 8 = 64MB per chip	20:46
Paulius	that would be for 512MB laptop RAM.	20:46
Paulius	And something tells me that it's not that high density.	20:46
johnx	it's mostly applicable to the 770 owners I would think. The N800/N810 isn't quite RAM starved enough that many people would be interested	20:47
AStorm	yup	20:47
Paulius	Well I'm a 770 owner and OS2008 is too friggin slow.	20:47
Paulius	I think I'll be getting an N810 when the prices drop.	20:47
Paulius	I got my 770 for $150.	20:47
Paulius	Now that I know Nokia's profit margins, I really don't want to spend $500 or so on this thing	20:47
AStorm	We'd be more interested ib a second SD slot mod	20:48
Paulius	AStorm: 770 uses MCC	20:48
Paulius	Or is it MSS	20:48
Paulius	or maybe it was WTF or ROTFLMAO	20:48
johnx	RS-MMC?	20:48
Paulius	right	20:48
AStorm	:p	20:48
johnx	or a micro-sd in a cut up piece of plastic :)	20:48
Paulius	Had no idea that that was possible.	20:49
johnx	ITT has all the juicy info	20:49
_V_	uaarrgh	20:49
_V_	my 8GB A-Data die	20:49
_V_	(while on my n800...)	20:49
johnx	_V_, that sucks. Is it completely dead? or just some fs corruption?	20:50
AStorm	heh	20:50
Paulius	That'll teach you not to use cheap Sd cards.	20:50
Paulius	or flash cards	20:50
_V_	my pc doesn't "see" it at all	20:50
johnx	_V_, are you still using an old version of OS2007?	20:50
_V_	no, os2008	20:50
AStorm	sandisk, kingston...	20:50
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Paulius	Is OS2007HE faster than 2008?	20:50
johnx	Paulius, at least a little	20:50
_V_	my OS was installed on that card :-(	20:50
johnx	well that really sucks	20:51
Paulius	johnx: The show stopper for me is the lack of sound, actually.	20:51
_V_	AStorm: a-data isn't ok ?	20:51
AStorm	_V_: heh, what fs?	20:51
_V_	ext2	20:51
johnx	AStorm, I've had nothing but bad luck with sandisk	20:51
AStorm	fail	20:51
AStorm	ext* kill first blocks of the device :P	20:52
Paulius	OS2008 is faster at some things than 2006...	20:52
Paulius	But no sound :-(	20:52
AStorm	johnx: and I haven't	20:52
johnx	had anyone got sound working on it?	20:52
_V_	AStorm: so which fs ?	20:52
_V_	fat ?	20:52
AStorm	_V_: well, FAT or btrfs	20:52
Paulius	No idea. I presumed sound worked.	20:52
Paulius	It's weird because it KINDA works.	20:52
AStorm	but you can't use FAT for /	20:52
Paulius	When I close a window or bootup there's sound.	20:53
AStorm	maybe jffs2	20:53
johnx	AStorm, I wouldn't jump to blaming ext2 for this card's death...	20:53
Paulius	But none from applications (ex: sound settings, mplayer, etc)	20:53
Atarii	default media player sound works	20:53
johnx	and what does mplayer say from the CLI?	20:53
AStorm	johnx: well, I wouldn't too, but it isn't flash-friendly	20:53
Paulius	yeah>	20:53
Paulius	?	20:53
johnx	can jffs2 be used on a normal block device?	20:54
Paulius	wow media player does work	20:55
Paulius	but it's interface is laggy	20:55
AStorm	johnx: I think so	20:55
AStorm	it requires block layer on top of mmc	20:55
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AStorm	uhm, mtd	20:55
johnx	I was under the impression that it could only work on a plain NAND (or maybe NOR?) flash device	20:56
AStorm	why?	20:56
johnx	dunno	20:56
AStorm	it works on block device level	20:56
johnx	given that you can't even mount a jffs2 image without emulating a mtd device I think there's something special	20:56
AStorm	you can't? bummer	20:57
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AStorm	although emulating mtd on mmc isn't hard	20:57
AStorm	there is a read-only SD driver already	20:57
Paulius	wow it does real media streaming?	20:58
Paulius	how about windows media streaming?	20:58
AStorm	yes, but no DRM	20:58
Paulius	YES!	20:58
AStorm	mplayer does these too	20:58
AStorm	:P	20:58
AStorm	real media it doesn't do	20:58
Paulius	yeah but mplayer doesn't work on os2008	20:59
AStorm	heh, why?	20:59
Paulius	no idea	20:59
Paulius	ask os2008	20:59
AStorm	maybe check /etc/mplayer/	20:59
AStorm	there are a few settings	20:59
johnx	mplayer is very verbose when run from an x terminal. it might be worth a look	21:00
Paulius	other application audio doesn't work aswell	21:00
Paulius	only media player default thingy	21:00
Atarii	yea its weird, on doom you can hear everythin expect when you fire :S	21:01
Atarii	except*	21:02
Paulius	windows media steaming doesn't work	21:02
Paulius	from the looks of it	21:02
AStorm	I sense codec problem.	21:02
Atarii	cp 2007he/codec/* 2008/codec/*	21:04
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johnx	770/OS2008HE users asking about sound in mplayer: hit this thread and search for mplayer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16468&highlight=mplayer	21:09
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johnx	good luck, as I'm off to bed	21:10
qwerty12_N800	night	21:10
johnx	'night qwerty12_N800	21:10
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Mousey	is it just me or does handwriting recognition on the n8x0 just suck rocks	21:22
Stskeeps	not really, i think it actually does a better job at recognising mine than my peers at university..	21:22
Stskeeps	:P	21:22
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Mousey	wonder what i'm doing wrong	21:24
_V_	what's the best, sandisk or kingston ?	21:24
Mousey	beyond having sloppy handwriting and high expectations	21:24
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alfafa	Anyone know of some way to "sync" your firefox opened tabs from your desktop to bookmarks or something for the maemo browser? Could be useful to look at ones opened while on the train	21:29
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ralann	survey says......	21:42
ralann	n810 will arrive on Thursday :D	21:42
Paulius	cool	21:42
ralann	im soooooo excited	21:42
Paulius	you better be	21:42
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konttori	Run to the shop now to buy a 8 gb mini/micro sd!	21:50
* Mousey needs one		21:50
ralann	meh, i ordered one of those at the same time	21:51
alfafa	ANd don't forget a micro»mine sd adapter ;)	21:51
ralann	got that too	21:51
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* ralann has been doing his homework before buying		21:52
penguinbait	whats the homework telling ya?	21:53
penguinbait	I would buy micro	21:53
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ralann	penguinbait: that's what it told me too	21:54
thp	how do i programatically open a new e-mail message and attach a file on maemo (preferable python, but the shell command is also okay)	21:54
ralann	anyway a mini card could not be found for a reasonable price at 8gb	21:55
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ralann	the problem i see with micro cards is that if i had more than one i'd lose the 2nd card because it is smaller than my pinky finger nail	22:05
penguinbait	I just know if I buy a mini, the n900 will only take micro	22:05
penguinbait	its just my luck	22:05
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ralann	yeah, i hear that	22:05
penguinbait	I am learning, slowly	22:05
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lcuk2	Mousey, recognition was crap for me - i redefined L to be as i write it, then when i came to change t it told me i was too similar to L (the original L). so i completely disabled all variations of L and it STILL told me "t" looked like L	22:08
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lcuk2	i havent tried since	22:08
qwerty12_N800	I never use handwriting recognition on any platform, my writing is extremely bad. (I mean bad to the extreme)	22:10
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ralann	i was a badass at the palm graffiti	22:10
ralann	but then my palm died about a month ago	22:11
ralann	i really hated that thing, but i just couldn't buy anew device when that one still qurked just fine	22:11
lcuk2	did it go hairy first?	22:11
ralann	hah	22:12
ralann	no	22:12
lcuk2	ahhh then you must be blind	22:12
ralann	deaf	22:12
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ralann	brb	22:14
adam_	is there a tutorial that shows how to setup the os on the internal card and change all the boot loader info?	22:16
qwerty12_N800	ask penguinbait bout his deb :)	22:16
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Cptnodegard	can someone give me any url for a web radio?	22:18
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konttori	http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4757&file=filename.pls	22:19
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Cptnodegard	thx	22:20
konttori	np	22:20
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penguinbait	qwerty did you try it?	22:23
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penguinbait	adam_ I made a deb to setup the whole process	22:24
qwerty12_N800	penguinbait, i haven't yet, my sd card has problems with sd boot but I will do in a few weeks :)	22:24
penguinbait	I want to get it all hammered out before next OS release	22:24
penguinbait	best used after a fresh flash	22:25
penguinbait	you have the least to lose :)	22:25
qwerty12_N800	I'm currently recovering after a fresh flash :p. got the backup and apps restored :)	22:26
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qwerty12_N800	But i'm unsure if my sd slots are messed up or if it is unsupported sd high speed mode that is giving me i/o errors.	22:27
Cptnodegard	photo casts on canola...does it work with flickr, photobucket?	22:28
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Cptnodegard	nvm	22:28
ImMelody	hello :o	22:28
Cptnodegard	found a rss button	22:28
qwerty12_N800	ImMelody, hi	22:28
ImMelody	I have done a baaaaaaa~d thing.. I built a computer for my 4 yr old :(	22:29
lsobral	Cptnodegard, photocasts in canola work with flickr, picasa	22:29
lsobral	never tested with photobucket	22:29
qwerty12_N800	ImMelody, linux + gcompris and you are done :p	22:29
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ImMelody	But how do you turn the speakers off? :P	22:30
ImMelody	Or should I rephrase.. How do you keep the child from turning the speakers back on and putting the volume at max XD	22:30
ImMelody	I had wanted to do linux, but my husband convinced me that windows would be better for him because he has a thomas DOS game he really enjoys	22:31
qwerty12_N800	connect the speaker to itself, the small subwoofer nearly fell on my foot... bad idea :p	22:31
qwerty12_N800	disable sound card :p	22:31
ImMelody	It's all these silly toddler websites.. all the instructions and links are sound	22:33
qwerty12_N800	Ah, if your son hasn't heard about volume control panel, put down wave volume and if he has, go into sound control panel and untick tray option :p	22:35
ImMelody	Will be doing that..	22:37
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* konttori has finished first version of wiimote		22:47
konttori	if anyone is interested in trying it out, let me know.	22:47
ImMelody	what do I need to make it work?	22:48
konttori	Install python	22:48
ImMelody	peripheral wise	22:48
qwerty12_N800	a wii controller and python	22:49
ImMelody	kk	22:49
ImMelody	I'd like to try it out	22:49
konttori	So, you launch the app. It asks you to push 1+2 on your wiimote. Boom. done.	22:49
konttori	Ok. I'll put it to ukmp garage page for now.	22:49
konttori	Done	22:51
konttori	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3980/wiicontrol-1.0_all.deb	22:51
konttori	I was just testing doom with it and it's a blast	22:51
konttori	Also, ukmp works pretty well with it	22:51
qwerty12_N800	och, a proper doom control :o	22:52
konttori	It has two configurations: portrait and landscape. The landscape is really for gaming and the portrait is for general use	22:52
konttori	It also is really nice for the bomberman.	22:52
konttori	button 1 is space and button 2 is enter (in gaming mode).	22:53
konttori	Anyway, I'll try to get it user editable in the nearish future.	22:53
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konttori	Tomorrow we have Vappu in finland, which translates to mandatory 2 day drunkness and 3rd to recover period.	22:54
qwerty12_N800	man, i need to buy a wii controller. not a wii itself though.	22:54
qwerty12_N800	konttori, knock yourself out ;P	22:54
konttori	Sure will!	22:55
konttori	thanks!	22:55
qwerty12_N800	hehe	22:55
konttori	Anyway, I'll try to work on the accelerometer stuff a bit on the weekend	22:55
konttori	Lean the mote to strafe would rock.	22:55
konttori	anyway, ImMelody , were you able to try it out?	22:56
konttori	If anyone else has the time, I would appreciate feedback.	22:56
konttori	If it seems good enough for now, I'll then post it to internettablettalk	22:57
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flo_lap	re	22:59
ImMelody	grabbing now, give me a sec for it to install	23:02
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qwerty12_N800	konttori, common sense says to have bluetooth on but if you don't before running, it crashes :/	23:09
qwerty12_N800	make it run dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:discoverable ?	23:09
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konttori	THanks!	23:09
ImMelody	I'm having trouble getting the wiimote to do anything after one or two commands	23:09
konttori	Hmm... So, does the mote still have lights on?	23:10
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ImMelody	yep	23:10
ImMelody	and moving it does bring the light back up, but doesn't do much action	23:10
konttori	Well, click on the portrait mode.	23:10
konttori	press A to see if it still works.	23:11
konttori	Now, I've been testing this only on diablo, so there may be some differences in teh BT stack.	23:11
qwerty12_N800	gimme bluez debs :p	23:11
konttori	thanks qwerty12_N800 . I'll check that dbus message	23:11
konttori	;) You'll get those sooner or later.	23:12
qwerty12_N800	konttori, np :), i copied it from switchonbt :p. if bluetooth is already on, it does nothing :)	23:12
ImMelody	I got it to bring up the home screen, but can't replicate it	23:13
ImMelody	in either landscape or portrait mode	23:13
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konttori	Pressing B+any button brings alt action.	23:13
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konttori	So, you probably pressed it and some other key at the same time. Lemme see the code which you pressed	23:14
ImMelody	not getting anything happening	23:14
ImMelody	oki	23:14
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konttori	http://pastebin.com/m4a10e86a	23:15
ImMelody	so I killed it?	23:16
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konttori	qwerty12_N800: So, do I basically run that string as command line executable	23:17
qwerty12_N800	yes, i did it in xterm	23:17
ImMelody	okay...now it's working :D	23:17
qwerty12_N800	not sure how in python but whatever exec method to run external progs is used should work :)	23:18
ImMelody	except... I got it working and closed out the program, lol	23:18
ImMelody	uh-oh.. I crashed it :o	23:19
lopz	how view colors in xterm ?	23:21
qwerty12_N800	you can also use dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:connectable if you want the n8*0 to be hidden	23:21
konttori	qwerty12_N800: Worked	23:21
qwerty12_N800	cool :)	23:21
konttori	I'm now building a new deb.	23:21
konttori	https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3981/wiicontrol-1.0_all.deb	23:22
konttori	Same link, but new deb	23:22
konttori	ImMelody: When you close the app, you need to then once click on the wiimote to severe the connection	23:23
konttori	I wasn't able to figure out a nice way to interrupt the listener thread.	23:24
konttori	I'll try to work on that later on.	23:24
konttori	there is a kThread available, but I'd rather do it the nice way if possible	23:24
konttori	kThread stands for killable Thread	23:24
ImMelody	hrm..what happens if your wii is on when you try to run this app?	23:25
qwerty12_N800	i think i need one. my browser is hung. my cpu is really high :/	23:25
qwerty12_N800	kthread that is	23:25
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GnutoN810	hi	23:26
GnutoN810	sera	23:26
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konttori	ImMelody: Nothing.	23:27
konttori	It should work just fine.	23:28
* konttori posted wiicontrol to internettablettalk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176088#post176088		23:29
woodwizzle	I'm setting up my device again before I flash it to my internal card. It says e2fsprogs is required and I'm about to apt-get it. Is ext2 the filesystem I really want to run though? would ext3 be better? Or should I be worried about the journaling taking up more space and write cycles?	23:30
konttori	qwerty12_N800: I stand corrected	23:31
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qwerty12_N800	konttori, how come? something wrong?	23:31
konttori	Ah... sorry. I though you corrected that kthread is with lower case, not capital t	23:32
ImMelody	thank GAWD! 5 min for maemo sdk download	23:32
konttori	woodwizzle: I would take ext3.	23:33
konttori	it's not too bad to have the journaling. even the default fs is journaled	23:33
qwerty12_N800	konttori, hehe it's 9:35 PM and I'm typing off an n800. night & n800 osk = bad typing. actually it's +2 in Finland right?	23:33
konttori	it's 25 min to midninght	23:34
konttori	so, yeah, +2	23:34
* konttori is about to retire to bed.		23:34
ImMelody	Europeans :P	23:34
qwerty12_N800	In london, we set the time :p	23:34
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lcuk	dont you dont	23:35
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konttori	in greenwitch there is actually the timeline and you can hop to either side of it. Nice for pictures	23:35
lcuk	some little village nearby does, you are just trying to be a gloryseeker :P	23:35
ImMelody	In the US, we think we're the center of the universe. (j/k partially)	23:35
qwerty12_N800	konttori, I've been there :)	23:36
Mousey	lcuk: yea, i'm underwhelme	23:37
Mousey	d	23:37
qwerty12_N800	lcuk, greenwich a village? :p	23:37
woodwizzle	knottori doesn't ext2 and even more so ext3 take up a lot more write cycles than vfat?	23:37
Mousey	is there a way to sync the palm calandar with some calandar app in maemo (besides GarneVM's)	23:38
woodwizzle	konttori: woops spelled your name wrong =)	23:38
konttori	they eat a bit, but not so much. And they are more reliable	23:38
konttori	So, I would pick ext3. But then again, your mileage may vary	23:38
* Mousey picked ext2		23:38
lcuk	:O qwerty12_N800 i take it back	23:38
lcuk	wikipedia says its a district in london	23:39
qwerty12_N800	northern presumptions :p. just because all it is is villages in the north :p	23:39
* lcuk begs forgiveness		23:40
konttori	Most of london is really a network of villages that have grown to merge with each other.	23:40
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ImMelody	Can someone give me the technical definition of a village?	23:41
lcuk	i baby town	23:41
lcuk	a^	23:41
Mousey	might ask in #freeciv	23:41
qwerty12_N800	hehe it's a little joke me and lcuk got because I'm from the north and I live in the south :p	23:42
ImMelody	Well, are we talking about a population of 50? 100? 1000? I just want to make sure I have a clear picture in my head ;)	23:42
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zakkkm	hi .. i have 2008HE installed on my nokia 770 but its awfully slow. would it be alot smoother/faster to run 2007HE?	23:43
zakkkm	like go back a "year" ?	23:43
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lcuk	zakkkm, i would expect at least a little, 2008 is very new and most issues aren't ironed out yet	23:43
Veggen	hmm. microB has started crashing way too often.	23:44
adam__	How big of a difference does it make to use ext 2 compared to ext3 in terms of the write cycles?	23:44
lcuk	at this point you haven't got anything to lose by going to '07, and a lot to gain. the '08 you have now is rough and '07 has age on its side	23:44
qwerty12_N800	Veggen, join the club :/	23:44
adam__	like how long would one last compared to the other	23:44
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Cptnodegard	mine just uses 2 hours to start	23:45
Cptnodegard	microb	23:45
Veggen	and the rss reader too.	23:45
* qwerty12_N800 needs to try fennec		23:45
Cptnodegard	rss reader lives its own life	23:45
zakkkm	lol	23:46
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qwerty12_N800	rss reader is stable for me but I only have 5 feeds and few images	23:46
zakkkm	so i should go back to 2007HE ?	23:46
zakkkm	lcuk : i heard skype will work fine on it? is that true. i got it installed on the 2008HE but when i call i got a audio codec error	23:46
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zakkkm	will canola on my nokia 770 work on 2007HE?	23:46
lcuk	zakkkm, i dont know, i only have an 810	23:47
zakkkm	ah	23:47
zakkkm	but you think it will help alot .. cause i like 2008HE UI but some stuff is way too slow	23:47
zakkkm	like compared to 2006 .. but i dont wanna go back to that	23:47
lcuk	i i think it can't hurt to try and people have spent a lot longer trying to get 2007 working really well	23:47
qwerty12_N800	I have a odd impulse to downgrade my n800 to try out canola 1.	23:48
zakkkm	haha thats smart. adding N800 to your name so people know what you have hah :D	23:48
lcuk	no, its what hes ON	23:48
qwerty12_N800	^	23:48
zakkkm	your on irc on the n800 now?	23:48
qwerty12_N800	yep	23:49
zakkkm	what app?	23:49
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qwerty12_N800	xchat	23:49
qwerty12_N800	but it's for os2008	23:49
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qwerty12_N800	but maemo hackers have os2006 build	23:49
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qwerty12_N800	you can also try irssi, weechat or bitchx. i compiled them in 2008sdk but they are console apps so :/	23:50
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lcuk_n810	hehehe	23:51
qwerty12_N800	high 5 :p	23:51
zakkkm	about to install linux on my desktop once again so i can ssh to it	23:51
zakkkm	how do you do irssi without alt key?	23:51
zakkkm	hey sorry i left	23:51
lcuk	zakkkm, i use ssh from windows	23:51
zakkkm	ssh is just commandline isnt it?	23:51
zakkkm	theres rdesktop on the nokia app manager?	23:52
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zakkkm	would that be better?	23:52
lcuk	yer, but coupled with winscp its nice	23:52
zakkkm	winscp?	23:52
lcuk	file copying (over ssh i believe)	23:52
zakkkm	i mean like the remote'd pc.. is just command line view isnt it?	23:52
qwerty12_N800	zakkkm, you can get irssi to run directly off tablet.	23:52
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lcuk	zakkm, yer but ive got putty for that	23:52
zakkkm	qwerty12 i use it for my actual pc alot .. but on 2006 edition ITOS .. it gave me a screen error	23:53
zakkkm	and i couldnt find in app manager for 2008HE	23:53
zakkkm	i added maemo extras	23:53
zakkkm	lcuk would rdesktop run fine?	23:53
lcuk	i believe there is an app for it, but on 770 im not sure of the grunt	23:54
zakkkm	rdesktop IPHERE	23:54
zakkkm	yeah thats what i mean	23:54
zakkkm	i saw it in app manager	23:54
zakkkm	but how well would it run?	23:54
AStorm	does someone here have a package with sshfs or lftp?	23:54
zakkkm	got a amd athlon x2 4400+ , 4gb ram downstairs?	23:54
zakkkm	that i can rdesktop ?	23:54
qwerty12_N800	zakkkm, ah. there's an svn build of it by me on itt and also the latest stable build is available on itt	23:54
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zakkkm	qwerty12 mind sending me the deb?	23:54
zakkkm	well linking me?	23:55
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qwerty12_N800	AStorm, check solmumaha/ukki's fuse port on itt	23:55
AStorm	yap, I'm too lazy to set up NFS	23:55
AStorm	qwerty12_N800: yay	23:55
qwerty12_N800	zakkkm, I would do but my cpu is high :/	23:55
zakkkm	qwerty: where would i check for that	23:55
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AStorm	what about lftp though? a good ftp/sftp/scp client would be great	23:55
zakkkm	oh right your on your tablet.. sorry	23:55
KotCzarny	sshfs ftw!	23:56
* KotCzarny collapses again		23:56
zakkkm	is it possible to use 2008 skins in 2007HE? :D	23:56
AStorm	no	23:56
zakkkm	i love the transparency part of 2008HE home :(	23:56
qwerty12_N800	AStorm, no idea, tried gronmayer? btw, did that rtorrent work? I ran it fine but didn't dl anything with it.	23:56
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zakkkm	and the app starting omg!!?!?! i dont wanna go back	23:57
zakkkm	oh right	23:57
KotCzarny	yeah.. my nose is runny as of today	23:57
zakkkm	i should try that	23:57
qwerty12_N800	zakkkm, I want to do opposite :p	23:57
AStorm	it's some tar.gz	23:57
zakkkm	upgrade to 2009 ?	23:57
AStorm	haven't checked yet	23:57
zakkkm	oh	23:57
zakkkm	you want 2007?	23:57
qwerty12_N800	AStorm, untar it for debs and install with dpkg	23:57
qwerty12_N800	ah	23:57
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AStorm	mhm	23:57
zakkkm	is there a webkit brwoser for 2008HE ?	23:57
zakkkm	or 2007HE?	23:58
AStorm	zakkkm: someone was working on it	23:58
AStorm	no	23:58
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AStorm	not even for real 2008	23:58
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zakkkm	it differs for packages?	23:59
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