IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-04-29

KotCzarnyi mean no for mousey00:00
KotCzarnyyes for rst38h00:00
Mouseyk, ty!00:00
AStormzakkm: update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove00:00
AStormthen apt-get remove metalayer-crawler000:00
AStorm(you can skip that last step)00:00
fysasorry, ignore the second link00:01
fysathe first one is interesting00:01
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fysaoh, the screenshot is good.00:01
fysathat's in chroot00:01
zakkmhow much space would it require to run i guess a different distro? + *box .. preferably fluxbox ?00:01
zakkmstorage space00:01
AStormzakkm: at least 1GB00:01
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AStorm2GB is safer00:01
zakkmok nevermind00:01
zakkmcant afford00:01
GrackleI really need to get some more storage. 384MB is not really enough.00:02
KotCzarnybut you still may try trimming it00:02
* Grackle tests out gcc00:02
zakkmi only have the 64mb that came with it00:02
zakkmbut i dont want KDE or anything00:02
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zakkmso. . how do i install skype ?00:03
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Atariiapplication manager > installable applications > skype00:03
Atariibut it doesnt work00:03
zakkmwhy not00:03
Atariiit logs in00:03
Atariibut cant do voice calls00:03
Atariicomplains about recording device or something00:04
zakkmthats why i wnated my nokia? i guess im stuck with gizmo00:04
zakkmskype has unlimited canada +US for $3 a month?00:04
Atarii2007he does skype00:04
zakkmah w.e00:04
zakkmuhmm .. why is that i cant connect to open wifi's?00:04
zakkmlike some work most dont00:04
zakkmlike 10% of them work00:05
Atariitoo far away?00:05
zakkmwould the fact i upgraded to 2008HE from 2006HE change that00:05
zakkmno like close00:05
zakkmim in highschool .. and i walked around and half didnt work00:05
lcuk2too close?00:05
zakkmi got a network connection error00:05
dholbertzakkm: can you connect to them with a laptop?00:05
Atariiwalking too fast?00:05
zakkmppls iphones work00:05
zakkmno .. i stopped checked.. walked a bit.. stopped check00:05
lcuk2oooh thats goota sting00:05
zakkmpeople have iphones in school i even asked people00:06
lcuk2right - i give up.  im never typing in here again. (until i do)00:06
zakkmi only got access from guidance in school00:06
zakkmfrm like 30 hotspots00:06
AStormzakkm: there is a bug in udhcp, well00:06
zakkmwill my 2006 to 2008 switch help ?00:06
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NullM0demcant you manually renew lease from a terminal00:06
zakkmi dont mind if theres no way.. i just dont want to miss the fix if there is?00:06
zakkmsome wifis give me gizmo / rss update / application install/update .. but not web?00:07
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NullM0demsounds like dns issues00:07
zakkmso my nokia is fine?00:07
zakkmi bought it used on ebay last week lol00:07
Grackleoops, need to install libc6-dev00:07
zakkm$85 -- nokia 77000:07
zakkmGracle: me ?00:07
GrackleNo, I do.00:07
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zakkmsorry ^^;; .. anyone know a good site for nokia backgrounds?00:08
* Grackle has a working gcc00:08
AStormwhee, now I have Vorbis in Canola00:08
lcuk2Grackle, which repo was it in00:08
* AStorm wins!00:08
zakkmwill canola work on 2008HE for me?00:08
* AStorm is actually made of win00:08
AStormzakkm: should, yes00:08
Gracklelcuk2, I installed from the repo that scratchbox uses00:09
NullM0demzakkm: im not sure of the bug that AStorm was tlaking about but udhcp is i assumer responsible for getting ips from hotspots and ensuring correct DNS.00:09
zakkmon the blog post it said something like something works but canola doesnt?00:09
AStormNullM0dem: yes00:09
AStormzakkm: you have to do some manual setup00:09
zakkmthe ip is fine00:09
Grackledeb chinook free non-free00:09
AStormadd ogg-support-lms00:09
AStorminstall libvorbis0a by hand, then that ogg-support-lms00:09
zakkmGrackle: i add that?00:09
AStormthese after installing real ogg-support package00:09
Atariizakkm i havnt got canola to work with 2008he yet00:10
Gracklesorry zakkm, I should prefix my messages with the recipient's nick.. I was talking to lcuk200:10
zakkmthanks :P00:10
lcuk2i spotted thanks Grackle00:10
Atariibut i think there was a post on itt forum that it does work00:10
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GrackleThis is very cool.00:10
zakkmwould debian itself be faster than 2008HE ?00:10
zakkmwith like fluxbox or somethin00:10
AStormmight be00:11
towo(What's with the HE?)00:11
AStormbut not a lot00:11
NullM0demflux is sort of heavy vs openbox pekwm00:11
Gracklehacker edition00:11
AStormtowo: HE is version for SU-1800:11
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AStormthat is, Nokia 77000:11
Atariilol AStorm00:11
zakkmNull: i dont like pekwm00:11
zakkmand openbox dont like lol00:11
towoVor people using old hardware, I see. ;)00:11
zakkmi really do like fluxbox.. i dont care about its low system requirements00:11
NullM0demme niether but it uses very little ram )00:11
AtariiAStorm see if you can make SU-18 "catch on"00:11
zakkmno way00:12
zakkmnot ratpoison00:12
zakkmnext your say is dwm :P00:12
AStormor ion300:12
AStormalternatively, dwm if you're feeling minimal00:12
zakkmi dont like those00:12
zakkmtried on gentoo00:12
NullM0demtry openbox yet?00:12
AStormok then, I suggest xfwm400:12
AStormthat is, Xfce00:12
fysaratpoison is perfect on my media center box ;)00:12
zakkmi like fluxbox00:12
zakkmi prefer fluxbox over xfwm400:12
AStormwell, flux might be too slow, but your pick00:12
NullM0demi use flux too00:12
zakkmNullM0dem: on your nokia?00:13
NullM0dembut i do know it uses more memory than openbox00:13
* Grackle gets flamed00:13
AStormGrackle: Hildon is GNOME00:13
AStormso you lose00:13
zakkmlinks!! irssi!!! ^^00:13
elbhildon is not exactly GNOME00:13
AStormmaybe matchbox in non-nokia config?00:13
GrackleAStorm, haha, well, everyone seemed to be listing off lightweight stuff, and gnome is huge.00:13
zakkmwhats Hildon00:13
AStormelb: it's mobile gnome ;)00:13
NullM0demmine is not here yet :( I have setup X on many mnay low end machines where i have had to work ith very little ram00:13
AStormzakkm: it's the toolkit you use when using Maemo00:14
zakkmi want to try fluxbox on my nokia00:14
zakkmor fvwm00:14
AStormboth will suck00:14
AStormesp. fvwm, with the amount of M4 interpreting00:14
GrackleDoes hildon actually use parts of gnome, or just gtk?00:14
AStormGrackle: some, yes00:14
zakkmanyone know a nice site with backgrounds.. nice ones for my 77000:14
NullM0demremember you need 3 button mouse in flux to be efficiant00:14
NullM0demalt-tab etc00:14
AStormyeah, and you get only two00:15
zakkmtaskbar? :P00:15
AStormand the second is hard to access00:15
zakkmits touchscreen .. -.-00:15
AStormtaskbar eats screen00:15
Gracklezakkm: your best bet might be to look in the screenshots thread on internettablettalk.com00:15
NullM0demand razm00:15
zakkmi did Grackle00:15
zakkmand i saw fvwm-crystal and fluxbox00:15
zakkmbut no guide or anything..00:15
zakkmand they were like n800's00:15
NullM0demsome people like to show off what they port, though it doesent ensure usability :)00:16
zakkmhey would vnc go like fullscreen?00:17
GrackleDoes chinook on the 800 expect mmc2 to be there?00:17
zakkmso i would only see the remote screen?00:17
KotCzarnynm; not true, it's all up to config00:17
AStormwhee, now my Canola pwnz and I can drop the stupid media player00:17
zakkmcause that would be wicked00:17
AStormfor ever00:17
zakkmAstorm: Mplayer?00:17
GrackleThat is, if I mount the internal card somewhere else, will it care?00:17
zakkmGMLauncher to be exact ;p00:17
AStormzakkm: canola uses it00:18
zakkmoh really00:18
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AStormyes, it does00:18
zakkmomg get me canola :D00:18
AStormalthough messes that up slightly00:18
AStormthat is, scales movies to fullscreen or full window00:18
AStormignoring aspect ratio00:18
edugofanyone knows how can i call from my n800 to a local phone??00:18
zakkmi only download 4:300:18
edugofi think is with gizmo, but i don't know why00:18
zakkmedugof: buy $10 gizmo00:19
zakkmand run gizmo .. i use it in school00:19
zakkmto call home ;p00:19
edugofyeah zakkm00:19
edugofother options00:19
edugoffree options!00:19
zakkmthere is a guide for free on the wiki00:19
edugofi use on the pc voipbuster00:19
dholbertedugof: none that I'm aware of00:19
zakkmskype does $3 unlimited US + CANADA00:19
zakkm$3 a month00:19
edugofok, go see wiki00:19
lcuk2anyone know the name of the SDL dev package?00:19
AStormzakkm: so you'd have a minor problem with canola00:19
KotCzarnyapt-cache search sdl00:20
zakkmcan i install it?00:20
zakkmcan i have the deb please00:20
zakkmdont have wireless net at home00:20
lcuk2thx :)00:20
AStormhmm, mplayer .27 is still slower than .2500:20
AStormas in 2/3 the speed00:20
AStormslow enough to skip frames ;P00:21
zakkmcan you get me .25 ?00:21
zakkmplease :D00:21
AStormsimple, just download it off the repositories00:22
zakkmi have no wireless at home00:22
zakkmand im home.00:22
zakkmi need the deb's00:22
lcuk2yes, just get them off the repo00:22
lcuk2browse with computer and search within00:23
zakkmwhat is the repo?00:23
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KotCzarnyi think fanoush released tearsync kernel for 770 not so long time ago00:23
zakkmwhats tearsync kernel?00:24
zakkmwhats tearsync?00:24
lcuk2it makes all the tears sync00:24
KotCzarnytrick to get a stable image00:24
Atariiwhen you cry because you break your nokia but the battery isnt charged00:24
Atariiask AStorm00:24
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AStormAtarii: ...00:26
AStormmy Nokia isn't broken, dude ;)00:26
Atariinot anymore...00:26
AStormok then, tearsync is the kernel with vsync00:26
AStormenabled double buffering between gfx chip and lcd controller00:26
zakkmcant seem to browse the repo on my pc?00:27
zakkm chinook free non-free00:27
AStormno no, it's a subfolder00:28
AStormyes, pool00:28
AStormno, pool00:28
zakkmthank you00:28
ssvbAStorm: no, screen update DMA transfer is just synchronized with VSYNC, there is no double buffering00:28
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ssvbAStorm: at least on 77000:29
lcuk2 failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/libX11.a': No space left on device00:29
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lcuk2captain, she needs more space00:29
zakkmcant seem to find canola2?00:29
ssvbAStorm: what did you say about mplayer .27 slowness?00:29
KotCzarnyzakkm: it's not in default repos00:29
KotCzarnygoogle for it00:29
* Grackle opens the airlock to let some space in00:29
AStormssvb: that it is slower than .2500:30
AStormquite visibly00:30
AStormbut better than .2600:30
ssvbAStorm: any details?00:30
AStormno details00:30
AStorm2/3 of its speed00:30
KotCzarnydo the -benchmark trick00:30
lcuk2if i teleport myself over to an MMC will i be able to continue the install even though the locations will have changed00:30
zakkmwish i bought a nokia 800 now :P00:30
AStormKotCzarny: ok, why not00:30
AStormssvb: slower in embedded mode00:30
ssvbAStorm: that's bad, because I don;t have such videos00:30
AStormwhat "such"00:31
AStormembedded mode is used e.g. by Canola00:31
AStormit is fast in normal mode00:31
AStormbetter than .2500:31
Atariiwhat size is the internal 770 memory?00:31
AStormI suspect scaling is borked00:31
ssvbAStorm: try to test -vo xv00:31
AStormssvb: huh, I test with what Canola uses00:32
ssvbthat's exactly what is used in embedded mode00:32
AStormI think it does use -vo xv00:32
Atariiso why doesnt the OS fit on a mmc < 1gb?00:32
KotCzarnyos fits00:32
KotCzarnymine used ~360mb00:32
AStormssvb: testing...00:32
KotCzarnybut it was about other distros00:32
ssvbAStorm: what are you waiting then? ;) file a bug with benchmark results for both older and newer builds of mplayer with -vo xv output00:33
ssvbok, I hope we will find out something interesting00:33
KotCzarnyssvb: anoush agreed to include op patch :)00:33
zakkmhow do you rotate the screen in 2008HE?00:33
AStormssvb: I don't know how to benchmark that canola setup00:33
Atariiyou cant zakkm00:34
KotCzarnyzakkm: 770 can't00:34
zakkmoh ok00:34
zakkmthanks :P00:34
AStormit scales the movie w/o aspect00:34
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AStormI suspect that slows it down00:34
zakkmuhm whoever said it was 64mb is wrong00:34
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ssvbAStorm: it does not matter, scaling is free00:34
zakkmin 2008HE storage details total size: 123.5mb00:34
AStormzakkm: it's 64MB of memory00:34
ssvbit does not consume any extra resources00:34
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AStorm128 MB of internal flash00:34
AStormssvb: hmm00:35
lardmanhmm, am I going mad, I seem to remember seeing some output about the 770's framebuffer at the start of the dmesg output00:35
AStorm-vo xv is slower than no -vo00:35
* lcuk2 likes free scaling :)00:35
zakkmit says 18mb avaliable.. does that mean i only have 18mb for apps"?00:35
AStormbut not *that* much00:35
AStormsomewhat, visibly00:35
ssvbAStorm: surely it's slower, everything has its price, but I'm more interested in performance regression verification00:35
AStormOk, will test00:36
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zakkmcan anyone help me find the link for mplayer .25 deb? for 2008HE?00:37
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ssvbzakkm: it does not exist, at least I haven't built it00:37
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AStormwait, not .2500:38
AStorm.25 was bad too00:38
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ssvbzakkm: but it should be possible to build a package for OS2008HE00:38
zakkmi dont want to build myself :(00:38
zakkmnot running linux on my OS.. and dont have net on my nokia00:38
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zakkmto download all the libs and all to compile00:39
Gracklezakkm, you should get the scratchbox vmware image, it makes life much easier.00:39
zakkmwhat is it?00:40
zakkmis it the nokia in a virtual machine?00:40
AStormssvb: test it vs .flv00:40
AStormyou should be able to easily see it00:40
GrackleIt's a virtual machine with the scratchbox build environment installed.00:40
edugofanyone knows why i can't see the wallpaper now?00:41
edugofi only reboot the device00:41
zakkmomg lol00:41
lcuk2zakkm, dont bother looking for an earlier package of mplayer for now - low hanging fruit.  get the latest and see if it works well for you before messing with older things00:41
zakkmi cant even find the lastest -.-00:41
AStormssvb: benchmark shows no difference00:41
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AStormbut testing on live .flv shows a lot00:42
AStorm.24 doesn't skip00:42
AStorm.27 skips moderately00:42
ssvbAStorm: try -ao esd00:42
AStormhmm, I'll download some .flv :>00:42
KotCzarnyand -noframeskip ?00:43
KotCzarnyor something00:43
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AStormKotCzarny: nope00:43
ssvbalso with -benchmark option, you should get a precise statistics about how many frames were skipped exactly00:43
AStormahh, ok00:43
AStormbut how can I make canola grab that00:43
AStormanyway, need some .flv first00:43
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AStormthat is, mytube ;P00:44
ssvbAStorm: don't use canola, try mplayer form xterm with '-vo xv' option00:44
edugofanyone knows why now i can't see the wallpaper?00:44
KotCzarnyor better from ssh :)00:44
AStormit does use xv anyway00:44
AStormso no need for the option00:44
KotCzarnyeasier to paste results00:44
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AStormKotCzarny: indeed, but I'm not that adventurous00:45
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KotCzarnyedugof: nope00:45
ssvbKotCzarny: from xterm on your PC in a ssh session ;)00:45
AStormwhere is that youtube?00:45
KotCzarnyi use aterm :)00:45
AStormuhm, youtube downloader?00:45
KotCzarnyastorm: does canola cache .flvs ?00:45
AStormyes, but I'm not sure I have any in there, let me check00:45
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AStormno .flv here00:47
AStormany downloader I can use?00:47
Atariiwe need an IRC bot to do the equivilant of
KotCzarnygime me youtube link and i will give you wget link00:48
KotCzarnyatarii, i think infobot does that already00:49
AStormJust grab one random Tom and Jerry ;P00:49
KotCzarnytom and jarry ? :P00:49
AStormbut not the one with T&J in front00:49
AStormKotCzarny: why not? ;P00:49
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KotCzarnyastorm: wget ''00:51
AStormI have to retype that00:51
zakkmshould i listen to the battery monitor on the nokia? i keep reading that i shouldnt?00:53
AStormit is fairly accurate00:53
zakkmit went down a bit00:53
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zakkmthough i havnet charged for about 12 hours00:53
AStormwhich is correct00:54
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AStormthe full "battery gauge" is about 1h00:54
zakkmahhh 2008 is wicked :D00:54
AStormmaybe a bit more00:54
zakkmi can only get 1-2 hrs out of my nokia?00:54
AStormdepending on usage00:54
AStormno, the gauge is mostly full00:54
AStormonly starts emptying if the battery runs down a lot00:55
zakkmso full = 1hr+ ?00:55
zakkmso i should charge it when i see a bit going down?00:56
AStormclick the gauge and it'll display remaining time00:56
zakkmnothing happens00:56
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AStormzakkm: well, you can charge it when you want00:56
zakkmi meant like00:56
zakkmshould i ?00:56
edugofanyone knows how make phone calls from the n800 out of the US? :P00:56
zakkmmaybe its not in 2008HE?00:56
AStormnah, you only *should* charge it if it's red00:56
AStormzakkm: still should be there00:56
KotCzarnyastorm: not true00:56
AStormafter clicking, a balloon should appear00:56
zakkmLIAR! lol00:57
zakkmits not working?00:57
AStormyou can charge it any time you want00:57
zakkmthe volume / net / brightness goes fine?00:57
KotCzarnythat's more true00:57
AStormzakkm: hmm00:57
zakkmany way to lower font size?00:57
AStormweird, probably OS2008HE bug00:57
zakkmlike lower dpi?00:57
AStormzakkm: yes, use another GTK theme00:57
KotCzarnyinstall another theme00:57
AStormno, don't touch DPI00:57
AStormthere are 12pt and 14pt version of two default themes00:57
zakkmwhats default?00:58
AStormno, 16pt00:58
zakkmok can i get the 12pt?00:58
AStormyes, the screen is 225dpi00:58
AStormzakkm: from repos00:58
zakkmthough im using nvouclear theme?00:58
zakkmheard of it?00:58
AStormuse the gronmayer00:58
AStormyes, I know00:58
AStormfor nuvoclear, you'll have to edit the theme or your gtkrc00:58
zakkmi dont want the theme program :P00:59
AStormok, dled, testing00:59
zakkmcan i edit the gtkrc?00:59
zakkmdidnt install nano :(00:59
zakkmwell i had to flash 2008 ..00:59
AStormKotCzarny: kill you, I will00:59
AStormyou gave me some mishmash, but oh well00:59
AStormwhen I say Tom and Jerry, I mean it, not some spoof with modified soundtrack01:00
KotCzarnysecond hit from google01:00
AStormmishit ;P01:00
KotCzarnyi have volume==0 so :P01:00
AStormit's a mashup anyway01:00
KotCzarnycould have missed it01:00
AStormshould've noticed01:00
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AStormanyway, no skips here with .2401:01
AStormand by no I mean 001:01
lardmanI don't suppose it's possible to compile a 770 kernel with a chinook toolchain is it?01:01
AStormlardman: it is, why not?01:02
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AStormjust give proper -march01:02
AStorm(kernel takes care of that)01:02
lardmanAStorm: different abi?01:02
AStormsame abi01:02
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AStormAKA arm-none-linux-gnueabi01:02
lardmanhmm, I thought there had been a change to EABI?01:02
AStormit was EABI from the start01:03
ssvbAStorm: OS2005 used OABI01:03
lardmanah, that's ok then, I'll give it a go01:03
AStormssvb: yep, but not OS200601:03
lardmanwhat was os2006, Mistral, Gregale?01:04
AStormssvb: with .24, there were 13 drops out of 5563 frames01:04
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AStormtesting .2701:04
ssvblardman: and scirocco too, these were sequential minor updates 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.201:05
lardmanssvb: can you remember if these were EABI or OABI?01:05
zakkmAStorm: so what is the best so far?01:06
ssvblardman: these are all EABI01:06
lardmanor was OABI only maemo 1.x?01:06
AStormzakkm: what best?01:06
lardmanok, makes life easier, thanks chaps01:06
AStormhmm, in non-embedded mode, I can't *see* the difference01:06
AStormor barely can see01:06
AStormmaybe it's embedded mode that makes a large diff01:07
KotCzarnyor watching from net01:07
AStormbtw, in .27, movie is scaled with aspect01:07
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ssvbAStorm: is it a good or bad thing?01:08
zakkmnonembedded mode?01:08
AStormzakkm: mplayer can be embedded, it's some switch01:08
KotCzarnyIt doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose.01:08
AStormit can then paint01:08
Atariizakkm did you find the 12/14pt themes?01:08
AStormon an already existing canvas01:08
AStormhmm, .27 dropped 10 frames01:09
AStormbut in embedded mode, it's visibly worse01:09
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AStormreally, easily visibly01:09
AStormwant a movie of that?01:09
AStorm(fortunately, I have a webcam)01:10
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NullM0demanyone here order from new egg?01:10
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ssvbAStorm: ok, thank you, I'll try to look into it01:12
AStormKotCzarny: care to give me a link to "Is there a doctor in the mouse?" instead?01:12
KotCzarnylink on yt?01:12
KotCzarnyi mean give me proper link on yt01:13
AStormssvb: the skips are regular01:13
AStormnot action based01:13
KotCzarnythat i will convert01:13
AStormlike, every second01:13
AStormKotCzarny: nah, just enter that string in the search01:13
AStormalternatively, author: GhidPitesti01:13
AStormssvb: they are like, every second01:14
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AStormmaybe it's file transfer01:14
unixSnobI've noticed the flash player unable to handle web pages quite often lately.  BBC News flash videos stopped working.01:15
AStormit depends, here it does quite well01:15
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zakkmcan anyone send me a videoplayer deb link for 2008HE please01:16
zakkmmedia player trying to play a small mp3 . .totally like freezes my nokia01:17
AStormhmm, Hacker Edition all right ;P01:17
AStormprobably dsp code doesn't work01:18
zakkmit plays it01:18
zakkmbut on screen .. it like so slow it seems frozen01:18
AStormnormal, slow CPU ;P01:18
zakkmbut playing a mp3?01:18
AStormyou'd have to use a better player01:18
zakkmon the builtin media player01:19
lcuk2astorm, have you got the cpu meter thing running - that refreshes entire display 1 second and seens to cause dropped frames (since its the only thing continuously updating even though software is in front01:19
AStormlcuk2: hmmhmm01:19
AStormbut it doesn't add skips in .2401:19
lcuk2worth a try..01:19
AStormI'll check01:19
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AStormmight be stupid cpu scheduler biting again01:19
KotCzarnyrenice X to -1 ?01:19
* lcuk2 feels that pain01:19
zakkmomg the battery went to half01:20
AStormKotCzarny: no, that will make it worse!01:20
lcuk2nice doesnt boost cpu01:20
zakkmthis is killing my battery01:20
KotCzarnyastorm: have you tried?01:20
ssvbAStorm: I suspect that I know what is the problem01:20
AStormzakkm: normal, it's fairly discharged01:20
zakkmcould it be the metalayer crawler? i havent killed it yet01:20
AStormKotCzarny: yes, it is the default01:20
KotCzarnylcuk2: but may introduce visible glitches01:20
zakkmfairly discharged???01:20
AStormadded stalls everywhere01:20
AStormso, this scheduler has to die, a violent death01:21
AStormit's totally unfair01:21
lcuk2just lower its threshhold percentage01:21
KotCzarnybring back 1.3.x happy times?01:21
AStormnice 0 tasks get better interactive boosts than -101:21
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AStormKotCzarny: what times? ;P01:21
KotCzarnyredhat 4.0.4 (or 3.0.3 don't remember)01:21
lcuk2echo 40 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold   ;)01:22
KotCzarnymy first linux cd :>01:22
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AStormKotCzarny: CFS is better, thank you01:22
AStormlcuk2: that doesn't have *anything* to do with cpufreq01:22
AStormand everything to do with nice 001:22
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zakkmin 2008HE how do i set swap?01:23
lcuk2yes it does.  if the cpu uses more than 40% over the period then it will remain high01:23
AStormssvb: how do I make a movie scale to fullscreen, ignoring aspect?01:23
lcuk2the default is 80%01:23
KotCzarny-fs -zoom -noaspect ?01:23
AStormlcuk2: this isn't a problem01:23
AStormah, -noaspect, thx01:23
ssvbAStorm: -noaspect option01:23
AStormno manpage on N01:23
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KotCzarnyyou have google01:23
AStormfail, doesn't work ;P01:24
KotCzarnyhow do you call it?01:24
AStormadded all three01:24
AStormmplayer -fs -zoom -noaspect -benchmark tnj.flv01:24
KotCzarnyany suspicious messages ?01:25
ssvbAStorm: i suspect that the problem is related to streaming and nonuniform data read speed in audio decoder01:25
KotCzarnymaybe -scale too01:25
AStormjust 320x320->320x32001:25
ssvbAStorm: try -ac ffmp301:25
AStormssvb: I get message that dspmp3 didn't work01:25
KotCzarnyit's disabled on os200801:26
AStormKotCzarny: invalid option01:26
KotCzarnyunless you reenable it yourself01:26
AStorm-vf scale is wrong too01:26
KotCzarnyi mean dspmp3 (gst)01:26
zakkmis there any way to speed up browsing on 2008HE / nokia 77001:26
KotCzarnyzakkm: use links browser01:26
AStormssvb: well, how do I make canola respect the option?01:27
zakkmit didnt want to display google results.. on 2006SE01:27
zakkmit would show web / images/ and stuff at top01:27
AStormdrop it into /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (or what it's called)01:27
zakkmbut not my actual search -.-01:27
AStormbut then, to fully get the conditions, I need non-aspect scaling01:28
AStormdoesn't work right now with any options01:28
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KotCzarnysnoop canola cmd line?01:29
KotCzarnyie. run vid in canola and ps axww ?01:29
AStormit's embedded mode, hmmm01:29
AStormbut I'll try01:29
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zakkmwhats embedded mode01:29
zakkmwould google docs work well on the 2008HE?01:31
AStormblah, flv don't show up in scanner, will have to launch some01:31
AStormzakkm: yes, why not?01:31
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Atariizakkm check out the logs for this chan from earlier today01:31
zakkmdidnt in 2006?01:31
KotCzarnyastorm: rename them to avi01:31
Atariii went through most of your questions with someone else earlier :p01:31
AStormKotCzarny: in a while01:31
ssvbok, bye guys, I need to have some sleep...01:32
AStormhmm, and now it isn't skipping? wtf?01:32
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AStormor maybe is, but too slightly01:32
KotCzarnylocal file?01:32
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KotCzarnyvs network?01:32
AStormah, no download01:32
AStormyes, local file01:32
AStormok, so the skipping is cpu scheduler being an idiot01:33
* AStorm wants to kill the O(rand()) scheduler01:33
AStormI prefer O(log n) to O(rand())01:33
AStormKotCzarny: first, I need a recent kernel up01:34
AStormthis needs more time01:34
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AStormwhen ssvb is back, tell him it's caused by download01:34
AStormalthough, I remember local vids also having more problems, retesting...01:35
KotCzarnyflush cache01:35
KotCzarnythere's a /proc switch for that01:35
Atariithere's 264 people in this chan, yet it's only ever like 6 people talking lol01:35
AStormKotCzarny: that might be it01:35
KotCzarnyatarii: new to irc?01:35
AStormAtarii: as usual on IRC01:35
AStormonly very busy channels have more01:35
AStormI suggest #gentoo as an example01:36
KotCzarnyor #sex ?01:36
Atariikot not new to irc :p01:36
zakkmis kagu any good? for music playback01:36
Atariicrazy idlers01:36
AStormKotCzarny: nah, that's empty? ;P01:36
KotCzarnyatarii: seems like :P01:36
Atariii was IRCing when you was still in nappies :p01:36
KotCzarnyecho 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches01:36
KotCzarny# To free pagecache, dentries and inodes:01:36
elbthis is pretty typical for an IRC channel of this size01:36
AStormKotCzarny: nah, canola preloads flv01:36
elbit varies with the network ... freenode channels are almost all topical01:37
KotCzarnyand it's not canola i guess01:37
KotCzarnyonly -cache option in mplayer01:37
AStormbut it's not that01:37
AStormsorry, large movie skips after playback and rollback01:37
KotCzarnystill useful for mainatining same conditions on every test01:37
AStormsame scenes are skipping ;P01:37
KotCzarnymore bitrate ? :P01:38
AStormbut it doesn't skip with .2401:38
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KotCzarny3mb of free space01:38
KotCzarny(on my 2nd pc)01:38
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AStormI see 2 mplayers01:39
AStormlong options, e.g. -wid01:39
lardman_the crafty buggers01:39
AStormand -idx!01:40
AStormwhy does it put that, d'oh01:40
lardman_they set the framebuffer size to 0x100000 on the 770, but on the n8x0 it's set to its actual size01:40
fysazakkm, best way to speed up the browser is to use VNC to another machine..01:40
KotCzarnyfor seeking?01:40
AStormother than that, control disablers01:40
AStormbut it still does scale01:40
KotCzarnydo you see compl;ete line?01:41
KotCzarnyor just 80chars ?01:41
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AStormok, got it, it's -vo xv01:42
AStormI sense fail01:42
AStormdefault options are faster01:42
AStormmuch faster01:42
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AStormneed to bash some canola dev01:43
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KotCzarny |> 01Studio33-Studio33-Housemeister14-Twc.mp301:45
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Atariimmm paluszki01:47
AStormAtarii: argh, invasion of POLISH PEOPLE!01:47
Atariilol im not polish01:47
Atariii hav polish friends :01:47
AStormfortunately ;P01:48
* KotCzarny shrugs01:48
AStormthat would be fifth here01:48
Atariii can speak some polish but not write it01:48
AStormoh, wait, sixth01:48
Atariii like the food, and love the drink ;)01:48
KotCzarnythe drink?01:48
KotCzarnyit's russian01:49
AStormfirewater, obviously01:49
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AStormbut of Polish production ;P01:49
NullM0demvodka is russian and polish01:49
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NullM0demim polish01:49
AStormNullM0dem: damnit, 601:49
NullM0demwell american polish01:49
NullM0demwe invaded along time ago01:50
AStormWhat is it in N that attracts Poles to it?01:50
KotCzarnywell, i'm internetish01:50
KotCzarnyto be honest01:50
AStormmy nationality is Gentoo ;P01:50
NullM0demmine is slackware / LFS01:50
zakkmmine is BSD :P01:50
AStormLFS, been there01:51
NullM0demopen/free/net or drgaonfly01:51
AStormquite nice, but messy01:51
zakkmim not. im just trying to beat gentoo ;p01:51
NullM0demwhat do you mean beat, gentoo beats you01:51
AStormdon't, it has problems already01:51
zakkmive used gentoo for like 6 months01:51
KotCzarnyslackware is almost lfs01:52
zakkmbut never messed with it too much01:52
NullM0demI started with dragonlinux on top of 98, I used 98 for 3 weeks and switched to linux01:52
KotCzarnyi like slack because of simplicity and stability01:52
KotCzarny(in that order)01:52
zakkmnot speed? :D01:52
NullM0demI love it, I do use debian as well01:52
KotCzarnyon a laptop?01:53
zakkmspeed is important01:53
KotCzarnyfor speed it doesn't matter what distro it is01:53
KotCzarnyi'm running fluxbox instead of kde (default)01:53
zakkmfluxbox is nice01:53
KotCzarnyand my custom kernel01:53
zakkmrun xcompmgr?01:53
zakkmor ecomorph?01:53
NullM0demwell RHEL or ubuntu on say a 500mhz with 128 mega ram vs slackware? you would see a big differance01:53
zakkmredhat has Security thingy01:54
zakkmthat makes it really slow :P01:54
NullM0demyeah SElinux does slow everything down01:54
zakkmhow do i delete the whole metalayer-crawler simplely ( new flashed 2008HE.. cant install apps/ never did yet )01:54
KotCzarnyzakkm: remove the symlink starting it in /etc/rc2.d/01:55
KotCzarnyor change S to K in the name01:55
zakkmi can do cd /etc ? in xterminal?01:55
KotCzarnyroot needed for renaming though01:55
KotCzarnyso ssh/gainroot01:55
zakkmi cant install apps -.-01:55
zakkmunless i can get the deb on my pc?01:55
zakkmi have no wifi..>!01:55
Atariiuse linux flasher to enable R&D mode01:56
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KotCzarnypanguinbait: hello01:56
zakkmsomething is killing my battery01:56
zakkmand taking alot of cpu this is so slow :D01:56
zakkmi heard adblock app ? increases browser speed?01:57
zakkmwhat about microb vs default?01:57
AStormOk, fyi: -vo xv disables omapfb scaler for some reason01:57
KotCzarnypb: care to share fluxbox on os2008 howto?01:57
zakkmcan you do -vo x11 ?01:57
AStormI can do -vo omapfb01:57
KotCzarny-vo omapfb01:57
KotCzarnyit's better01:57
zakkm-vo opengl :D01:57
penguinbaitKotC its like nike01:57
penguinbaitjust do it01:57
zakkmKot: you can do -vo null .. and make it a audio player?01:58
KotCzarnypb: still, all those dsme and tips would be nice01:58
KotCzarnyzakkm: yes01:58
KotCzarnybut i think you should also do -vc null or something01:58
penguinbaitI am merely a hack, you dont want my tips :)01:58
KotCzarnybecause it will waste cycles for vid devoding01:58
KotCzarnypb: i'm a hacker! ;)01:58
KotCzarnypb: i like hack tips01:58
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penguinbaitbest hack tip ever!01:59
KotCzarnywhich manual?01:59
penguinbaitall of them01:59
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KotCzarnynot going to happen in human life01:59
penguinbaitI need a memory upgrade desprately02:00
zakkmwhy is GPS enabled in 2008HE -.-02:00
KotCzarnyi need a new chair02:00
zakkmdisabling mightve helped things?02:00
KotCzarnymaybe it assumes someone could want to use it?02:01
GrackleWhat might it help?02:01
zakkmis there GPS on nokia 770 ?02:01
KotCzarnygrackle: memory footprint?02:01
KotCzarnyzakkm: does 770 have bluetooth?02:01
zakkmmemory is high on the 2008HE for a nokia :P02:01
zakkmKot: i believe so?02:01
zakkmfor phone access?02:01
KotCzarnythen bt gps02:01
zakkmbt gps?02:01
zakkmit only connects to phones though02:02
zakkmit wouldnt connect to my pc?02:02
KotCzarnypan or something02:02
KotCzarnynever used yet02:02
zakkmany like speed tricks for 2008HE?02:02
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zakkmshould i be using a custom kernel? or something02:02
penguinbaitrun it on a n800/81002:02
penguinbaitshould make it faster02:03
zakkmgive me a n800/810 and ill be sure to use it :D02:03
zakkmeven send you pics if you would like02:03
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KotCzarnyi use n800 in the toilet often02:03
NullM0demwoah, heya penguin bait!02:03
KotCzarnynice for those lengthy waits02:03
NullM0demive been anticipating that use02:04
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KotCzarnypreviously i have used some china made tetris game02:04
KotCzarnyworked nicely too02:04
lcuk2zakkm, ill send you pics of my 810 if you send pics of you using it02:05
NullM0dempenguinbait: just wanted to say hey, Im new to maemo, and have read quite a deal of what you have written.02:05
zakkmlcuk2 : no thanks :D02:05
zakkmim scared all of you are really old :D02:05
penguinbaitnice to meet ya02:05
KotCzarnylike 5002:05
zakkmim 17 ^^;;02:06
shaprI'm old.02:06
penguinbaitme too02:06
penguinbaitI think ??02:06
lcuk250.   50!   when i was 50 we used to have to get our internet from a fella down 'th street02:06
KotCzarnyinside or outside?02:06
briand17?  dang.. you're not even out of alpha, yet... let alone beta!!02:06
penguinbaitok, I'm in the middle somewhere02:06
zakkmMilestone :D02:06
briandmilestone?  not even at a 'dot-release' yet02:07
KotCzarnydoes it matter02:07
KotCzarnyyou are always 'there and now'02:07
KotCzarnyno matter where and when you are02:07
lcuk2biwnite folks goin watchin end of terminator sarah thingy02:07
briandnot me.02:07
KotCzarnynite nite02:07
briandI'm 'here and now', always02:07
zakkmis that season 2?02:07
zakkmi saw s1 1-10 but i thought that was it?02:07
lcuk2no! they only just announced that it might happen02:08
lcuk21..10 ?02:08
lcuk2i thought there was only 902:08
KotCzarnyterminator series?02:08
zakkmmaybe 9 lol02:08
briandmaybe it's zero-indexed, so 9 would be the 10th...  ;)02:08
lcuk2im just settling down to watch finale, if ive gotta download another now im gonna have a shitfit02:08
zakkmhow come web is soooooooooooooooooooo slow.. on a local html file?02:09
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zakkmweb rbrowser is so unusable02:09
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KotCzarnyzakkm: not enough free memory02:09
lcuk2you are lucky, theres only 902:09
zakkmi gave swap?02:09
lcuk2gnite all02:09
KotCzarnythat could get core milion to halt02:09
KotCzarnydoes it use it?02:09
zakkmyou tell me lol02:10
KotCzarnywhat's the output of 'free' ?02:10
penguinbaitanybody want to test my boot from SD deb?02:10
zakkmok its frozen02:10
KotCzarnyyup, low memory situation02:10
KotCzarnyprobably ate all memory and swap02:10
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zakkmi gave as much as i have02:11
zakkmall i have is the original 64mb ?02:11
KotCzarnypity there's no flash memory activity led02:11
penguinbaitn900 needs 512MB RAM02:11
elbsay bye-bye to battery life!02:11
KotCzarnypb: and 3Ah battery?02:11
penguinbaitwho uses flash anyway?02:11
KotCzarnypb: sd is flash02:11
elbzakkm: ??????????? what?02:11
zakkmi have to use RS-MMC -.-02:11
penguinbaitnot the flash I was referring to02:11
KotCzarnypb: for adobe's flash, youtube uses it02:12
zakkmwht the02:12
zakkmwith no apps except terminal02:12
zakkmtotal 62224 used 60800 free 142402:13
zakkmwhat happened there? !?!?!?02:13
fysazakkm, OS2008 was NOT meant for 64mb02:13
zakkmjust xterm is open02:13
fysait's a hack.02:13
KotCzarnyzakkm: you need bigger swap02:13
zakkmhow come its not accepting my swap02:13
KotCzarnyor another browser02:13
zakkmit shows blank02:13
zakkmbut i have a swap file02:13
KotCzarnylinks2 for example02:13
zakkmcan i do links -g?02:13
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KotCzarnybut you have to compile it for yourself02:14
zakkmdoes the one in repos have the -g useflag?02:14
KotCzarnyor find the binary somewhere02:14
KotCzarnytry it02:14
zakkmno wifi02:14
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penguinbaitits in the icewm tarball posted on ITT02:14
KotCzarnyusually if the size >1.5mb it has graphics compiled in02:14
zakkmhow come its not accepting my swap partition02:14
KotCzarnydefine 'not accepting'02:14
penguinbaitdid you mkswap it02:15
zakkmits not showing it as being used02:15
NullM0dempenguinbait: youv'e pretty much ported 90% of the apps i would like to run on my n810 :-02:15
zakkmi used the control panel - memory. .for 2006?02:15
zakkmand then i flashed for '0802:15
KotCzarnythen you have to reenable it again02:15
KotCzarnybut beware if it sets up swap on internal flash instead of mmc :)02:16
zakkmtheres only 13mb left on internal -.-02:16
zakkmwht the hell02:16
zakkmi cant install anything? much02:16
KotCzarnyos2008 is.. bigger02:17
zakkmi really really like it :D02:17
Atariizakkm uninstall stuff, like the help files02:17
penguinbaitboot from SD/mmc. its faster anyway02:17
zakkmboot from 64mb?02:17
KotCzarnyhe has 64mb mmc card02:17
zakkmi have a nokia 770.. can i do SD?02:17
KotCzarnynot going to fit02:17
penguinbaitbuy a 2gb its like 15$02:18
zakkmlink me02:18
KotCzarnyyou should have at least 256mb02:18
KotCzarnypb: rs-mmc ?02:18
zakkmpenguin link me02:18
KotCzarnyit's 77002:18
zakkmi was going to buy off ebay but i dont know .. risky posts?02:18
|thunde18gb at best buy this week for 50$02:18
penguinbaitI have 2GB mmc mobile kingston, bought it for 770, use it in 80002:18
zakkmjthunde1: rs-mmc?02:18
penguinbaitI have 8GB kingston, but now I need 8GB micro/miniSD02:19
zakkmhow much would ANYTHING thats compatible on the 770 .. be for like 1gb/2gb?02:19
zakkmwhere how? whats it called?02:19
zakkmthere weo go :D its making a 32mb swap lol02:20
zakkmi dont trust the site :P02:21
zakkmor should i?02:21
KotCzarnygoogle says it's 4.5/502:21
penguinbaitnewegg has 1gb trancend 8.6902:21
KotCzarny10 ratings02:21
zakkmtrancend will work?02:21
zakkmim in Toronto, Canada by the way. ..02:21
penguinbaitits says mmc mobile02:21
KotCzarnytoronto seems like a big city02:22
zakkmi have two tigerdirect's within 30min from my house?02:22
KotCzarnyno big stores there?02:22
zakkmcant find rs-mmc's02:22
zakkmwell havent really looked lol02:22
zakkmit is a big city02:22
zakkm1/7 of canada lives in Toronto02:22
KotCzarnyno online shops for those stores?02:22
zakkmwell yeah but online doesnt show enough/ i dont know sites02:22
|thunde1zakkm: sd, class 402:22
lardman_night all02:22
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zakkmmmc mobile = rs-mmc?02:23
penguinbaitmine is02:23
penguinbaitkingston 2gb mmc mobile02:23
penguinbaitused it in 77002:23
penguinbaitwhen I had one02:23
KotCzarnyanyway 10$ isn't that much02:23
KotCzarnyeven if it fails to work02:23
zakkmim in canada though02:23
zakkmnewegg ships?02:24
penguinbaitI think newegg ships to CA02:24
zakkmwould it cost alot?02:24
KotCzarnyisn't CA an acronym for california?02:24
KotCzarnynow, .ca is actually more like canada :)02:24
zakkmthere we go02:25
penguinbaitCA is for canada, but I am from Michigan02:25
zakkmtotal - 94980  used 65024 free 2995602:25
KotCzarnystop metalayer-crawl02:26
KotCzarnyit eats ~10-30mb02:26
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KotCzarnyand cpu too02:27
KotCzarnyyou will loose medialibraries02:27
zakkmhow can i .. without wifi ?02:27
zakkmwhich does?02:27
KotCzarnywhy no wifi?02:28
zakkmyeah my nokia is better with swap lol02:28
zakkmno wifi in my house?02:28
zakkmand neighbors are locked wifi02:28
Atariijust download via pc then transfer over cable?02:28
KotCzarnyget a wifi router for 10-20$02:28
zakkmcan you help me find02:28
KotCzarnyany should do02:28
zakkmi got a wifi router02:28
zakkmjust not plugged in02:28
zakkmdont trust it .. and i only recently got my nokia02:28
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KotCzarnyyou can screw off the antenna02:29
KotCzarnyand lower wifi tx power02:29
KotCzarnythat should minimize risk02:29
zakkmshould i set my nokia wifi to 100mw or 10?02:29
zakkmand what does it change?02:30
NullM0demzakkm: there is a ontario CA if that is what your reffering too in terms of newegg02:30
KotCzarny10mw is official limit in some countries02:30
NullM0demca = california, i was confused as well02:30
zakkmontario though..02:30
zakkmToronto, Ontario, Canada02:30
KotCzarnyuse .ca02:30
NullM0demthere is an ontario, california02:30
KotCzarnymore understandable than CA02:30
KotCzarnymost people are used to domains02:31
KotCzarny(outside us of course)02:31
KotCzarny:)02:31 coming soon02:31
NullM0demmy n810 look slikes its been sitting at the warehouse for 4 days when i look at my tracking info02:31
AStormin all of US, you can use 100mW ;P02:31
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zakkmwhats the difference between 10 and 100 mw?02:31
zakkmwhich should i use?02:31
AStormwhich means, range02:31
penguinbait90 mw02:31
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KotCzarnytry 10 first02:31
KotCzarnyif it works02:31
AStormyou won't save any with 10mW02:31
KotCzarnythen you can leave it at that02:31
AStormchecked with rundown02:31
AStormso there's no point02:32
zakkmdoes 100 use way more power?02:32
unixSnobI believe I've seen 500 mW amps in the US02:32
KotCzarnybut you won't reach that many wifi spots02:32
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penguinbaitI have a 2watt 802.11b amp02:32
AStormunixSnob: possible, with low grade antenna02:32
AStormpenguinbait: illegal02:32
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zakkmso 100 = 10x the range?02:32
zakkmmore or less02:32
penguinbaitdont know02:32
unixSnobThe FCC places no limits on homebrew antennas though02:32
AStormzakkm: no, but quite better02:32
zakkmthats all it does?02:33
KotCzarnyrange is planar02:33
zakkmis increase signal?02:33
AStormyes, it can reach through walls then02:33
KotCzarnyso it's more like 1/r^202:33
AStormKotCzarny: you're SO wrong02:33
zakkmdoes it use more power though?02:33
unixSnobIt's much better to get a dish from freecycle, and mod it for wifi02:33
AStormbut with more power, interference means less02:33
AStormzakkm: not measurably more02:33
zakkmgoing to change to 10002:33
zakkmsee if i can get neighbors wifi :P02:33
AStormunixSnob: and depending on power, illegal02:33
AStormyou can't use high sensitivity antennas with high power wifi02:34
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unixSnobAStorm, no, FCC has a specific allowance for homebrew antennas, I've read it02:34
unixSnobCommercially, there are limits on antennas, but there is a hobbyist provision02:34
AStormbut you mustn't cause interference anyway02:34
AStormif you do, you'll head will be spiked etc.02:34
KotCzarnyunixsnob: doesn't it change depending on freq range ?02:34
KotCzarnyie. limits02:34
penguinbaitmuch nicer out west where there is no trees02:35
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unixSnobHobbyists are not limited by gain factors.02:35
unixSnobWell, I'm talking wifi.. 802.11b02:35
AStormunixSnob: yes they are02:35
AStormread FCC rules, again02:35
AStormyou may not cause interference02:35
penguinbaitis Astorm a HAM?02:35
unixSnobAnd the rationale given by the FCC is that hobbyists are not equipped to measure gain, so they don't have to02:36
AStormthey're not02:36
unixSnobI know what I read, the english was very plain and clear02:36
penguinbaitwho else reads FCC material :)02:36
AStormbut if you send high power, you need a low sensitivity antenna02:36
AStormor else you'll cause interference02:36
AStormwhich means $$$02:36
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zakmmthats odd -.-02:36
zakmm[09:47] * [10053] Software caused connection abort02:36
zakmmmIRC .. windows02:37
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zakmmive been using linux so long i wanted to use windows lol02:37
shaprI tried that.02:37
AStormbad idea02:37
zakmmlinux wont like my nokia02:37
penguinbaityou can run mirc on linux02:37
shaprI tried windows after nine years of linux.02:37
zakmmit wouldnt accept my flashdrive02:37
zakmmno way02:37
shaprWindows is missing a lot of features.02:37
zakmmi run irssi on linux -.-02:38
zakmmno way default windows might i add...02:38
NullM0demshapr same here, my first win was 98 and i wiped it within 3 monthes02:38
AStormzakkm: what?02:38
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AStormNokia *is* running Linux02:38
shaprI used win95 up until 1999 or so.02:38
zakmmyeah and i had irssi?02:38
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shaprThen I used Linux up until 200802:38
AStormyes, it has02:38
zakmmyeah i couldnt get it running on 2006 tho02:38
zakmmso i ran xchat02:38
KotCzarnyastorm: that's internal info leakage?02:38
AStormbut w/o n810 it's fairly pointless02:38
AStormKotCzarny: what internal info?02:39
zakmmi can read :P02:39
zakmmdont need to type much02:39
KotCzarnyastorm: that nokia runs linux :>02:39
unixSnobi'm able to reach the other side of a lake using a directtv dish, and a cantenna, all homebrew stuff02:39
AStormKotCzarny: you mean? Maemo is Linux ;P02:39
NullM0demshapr: I started on C-64 / amiga and then in 92 lost my comps and didnt get another one till 9802:39
KotCzarnyyou have said 'nokia' i saw it :P02:39
AStormhehe, iNdT does use Linux02:39
NullM0demshapr: windows was such a let down02:39
AStormso does OSSO02:39
zakmmi been in a wifi for 30min02:40
zakmmdidnt know i was connected02:40
zakmmweb probably wont load though02:40
zakmmhow do you do that renew liscense in linux?02:40
KotCzarnytry connecting by ip?02:40
AStormzakkm: by reconnecting, usually02:41
zakmmi tried that alotin school02:41
AStormor you can set static ip just fine02:41
NullM0demyou mean dhcp lease?02:41
zakmmim looking at connection manager02:41
AStormto get the ip, you can use ifconfig02:41
zakmmgive me stuff to try lol02:41
zakmmifconfig ____02:41
NullM0demim not sure what the nokia uses but usually i do dhclient eth0 as root02:41
AStormjust ifconfig, it will show active interfaces02:41
NullM0demon mainstream linux02:42
zakmmeth0 is for my main pc?02:42
AStormNullM0dem: they use udhcpcd02:42
KotCzarnyifconfig -a02:42
NullM0demthats a daemon right?02:42
AStormyes and no, depends on the way it's called02:42
zakmmifconfig not found02:42
AStormusually it is02:42
NullM0demslack uses that as well02:42
KotCzarny /sbin/ifconfig02:42
zakmmcause im not root?02:42
KotCzarnyyes, missing path02:43
zakmmoh there02:43
zakmminet addr:
AStormor bt002:43
AStormor usb002:43
zakmmok now what02:44
zakmmifconfig wlan0 ___02:44
KotCzarnytry ping
AStormor ping
penguinbaitany takers on my boot from SD deb?? I need more testers02:45
AStormKotCzarny: how many IPs have you memorized?02:45
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KotCzarnyastorm: 102:45
KotCzarnyastorm: it's wp.pl02:45
zakmmping ___ : 56 data bytes ping:permission denied. (are you root?)02:45
AStormand mine is my server02:45
KotCzarnyi have just resolved it02:45
AStormzakkm: root!02:45
zakmmsend me debbbb02:45
zakmmor link me02:45
AStormKotCzarny: you cheat ;P02:45
KotCzarnyastorm: but i remember my shools ip02:45
AStormzakkm: .... you need root02:45
zakmmi realize that02:45
AStormor at least chmod +s02:45
zakmmid rather become root ;p02:46
zakmmor wait02:46
zakmmi need root for that dont i? chmod +s02:46
KotCzarnyzakmm: you can transfer .debs with mmc card02:46
KotCzarnyor usb02:46
zakmmwhy not?02:46
AStormzakkm: yes, but only once02:46
zakmmi do it al lthe time02:46
KotCzarnybut i don't know if app-man can install them?02:46
AStormit will set the executable SUID root02:46
zakmmhow can i use app-man without internet ! :P02:46
zakmmi always download on pc. . the deb.. send to memory card and run in filemanager?02:47
penguinbaityou can install from file02:47
penguinbaitin app man02:47
penguinbaitgoto menu02:47
zakmmcan i have the deb link please? :D02:47
AStormlink to what?02:47
KotCzarnyto any deb?02:47
zakmmroot deb?02:47
zakmmthe deb to be root?02:47
zakmmgainroot or something?02:48
penguinbaitbecomeroot02:48, go there02:48
zakmmok onesec02:48
zakmmnever been there?02:48
AStormor was it .com02:48***02:48
AStormis that for OS2008HE?02:48
penguinbaitit dont matter02:49
penguinbaitits becomeroot02:49
AStormno, it does02:49
zakmmThis is a simple utility for gaining root access. 'sudo gainroot' works as befor02:49
AStormzakkm: yes, easyroot is better02:49
zakmmworks on 2008HE?02:49
penguinbaitecho "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers02:50
AStormpenguinbait: evil02:50
AStormbut then, all method of root w/o pass are evil02:50
penguinbaitnot like this thing is secure anyway02:50
AStormit is fairly secure02:50
AStormat least, can be02:50
KotCzarnyas long you don't give it to anyone02:50
penguinbaitno its not02:50
Mouseyas if the n810 isn't a BIG enough security hole02:51
AStormit is02:51
zakmmif someone wanted to stop it.. they would put it in their pocket :D02:51
KotCzarny.21-omap is vulnerable to ptrace hack?02:51
Mouseyposession is 9/10ths of the hack02:51
AStormKotCzarny: not sure02:51
AStormah, no, not02:51
KotCzarnycan be easy way for root app02:51
zakmmabout to install easyroot02:51
AStorm.21 arm doesn't have vmsplice02:51
penguinbaitrun my deb and tell me how secure it is ;)02:51
AStormso, you won't be able to use vmsplice sploit02:52
zakmmjust curious.. how long you all been around this irc channel/into the whole nokia tablet stuff?02:52
AStormthe default one wouldn't work anyway02:52
AStormzakkm: less than a month here02:52
zakmmpenguinbait: easyroot is yours?02:52
penguinbaitI bought a 770 on jan 200502:52
AStormzakkm: no, not02:52
penguinbaitno zakmm02:52
* KotCzarny bought n800 in march 200802:52
zakmmjan 2005.. i wanted to buy it when it first came out02:52
zakmmdidnt have the money02:52
zakmmforgot about it till last week .. went on ebay and bought it.. came three days later :P02:53
penguinbaitI wanted zaurus forever02:53
zakmmlast yesterday?02:53
penguinbaitI jumped as soon as I saw the 77002:53
zakmmeasyroot installing02:53
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zakmmsuccessfully installed02:53
penguinbaitlast yesterday, is that two days ago?02:53
zakmmlast tuesday*02:53
AStormlast tomorrow? ;)02:53
Gracklepenguinbait: Yeah, I wanted to buy a zaurus for a long time, but never did. Recently found out about the IT and bought one.02:54
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AStormah, it's today now02:54
zakmmnokia like froze :P02:54
penguinbaitits today again02:54
zakmmim now root02:54
zakmmwell in a sec02:54
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KotCzarnybs, it's today's today02:54
AStormzakmm: oh,  no, you'll destroy it now!02:54
KotCzarnynot a yesterdays' today02:54
zakmmok im root02:54
zakmmhow do i uhmm .. do the metalayer-crawler02:55
KotCzarnynow play02:55
zakmmi should do that first :P02:55
AStormupdate-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove02:55
KotCzarny /etc/rc2.d/*metalayer* stop02:55
AStormthat's all02:55
AStormmaybe stop it first02:55
AStorme.g. update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop02:55
AStormthen remove02:55
penguinbaitgd metalayer, fricken get rid of the danm thing02:56
AStormI've uninstalled that junk02:56
penguinbaitnothing but problems02:56
AStormnow that I have Vorbis working in canola02:56
zakmmits doing the stopping02:57
zakmmwhat should i do for remove?02:57
AStormremove disables it for good02:57
AStormzakmm: you can't read, can you? ;P02:57
zakmm update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop ?02:57
AStormthat stops it02:57
AStorms/stop/remove/ and it's good02:57
zakmmupdate-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove ?02:57
zakmmuse -f to force02:59
AStormso use it02:59
Mouseyuse the -f, luke02:59
zakmmi gotta retype it now -.-02:59
AStormuse the dpad02:59
AStormup arrow03:00
zakmmi use thumb thingy ?03:00
KotCzarnythat's dpad03:00
zakmmoh right03:00
KotCzarnyon the left03:00
zakmmlol i was looking for that on screen :P03:00
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zakmmnot working03:01
zakmmupdate-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove -f03:01
zakmmexists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)03:01
AStormadd -f after update-rc.d03:02
AStormnot at the end03:02
zakmmah there we go03:02
zakmmok now .. internet please :D lol03:02
KotCzarnypoor metalayer..03:03
KotCzarnynobody loves it03:03
AStormit's meant to die03:03
zakmmwhy dont the dev's delete it03:03
zakmmor fix it?03:03
AStormit is fairly efficient03:03
zakmmcan i delete map ? (app )03:03
AStormbut should check system load03:03
zakmmill neve ruse it03:03
AStormzakmm: yes, use the application manager03:03
zakmmi need the 8.1mb lol03:04
zakmm64mb rs-mmc + whatever is already in it03:04
zakmmand OS2008 takes alottt + swap03:04
zakmmhow do i remove help files?03:04
AStormjust the same, but you need "red pill mode"03:05
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AStormgoogle for the info03:05
zakmmah nevermind then03:05
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zakmmok the ifconfig wlan0 ?03:05
zakmmwhat was after wlan0?03:05
KotCzarnytry ping first03:05
NullM0demI always thought swapping to SD cards to be bad, do the newer cards hold up better in terms of the number of write's and deletes ?03:06
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GrackleThey are smarter about handling errors, too.03:07
zakmmjust one ping line.. which i got withut root03:07
zakmmand then it like freezes03:07
zakmmlike loading..03:07
AStormzakmm, so pings don't reach anyone03:07
GrackleDoes anyone know how to change the foreground color in osso-xterm?03:07
AStormcheck netstat -r03:07
AStormif there is a default route03:08
AStormGrackle: I guess standard ~/.Xresources might work03:08
KotCzarnygrackle: it's in the prefs03:08
AStormyup, it is03:08
GrackleOh, that it is. I didn't think it would be in the font settings dialog, so I never clicked there. Huh.03:08
zakmmwlan gateway  ... genmask flags UG ?03:09
NullM0demdo the menus work in Xterm?03:09
zakmmo n/m03:09
KotCzarnymy head hurts, ugh, bbl03:09
NullM0demsorry im all over03:09
zakmmwhat was that site with the repos?03:12
AStormzakmm: read the topic, d'oh03:12
AStorme.g. /topi03:13
AStorm /topic03:13
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zakmmahhh thx03:14
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zakmmgonna add as a bookmark03:15
zakmmso when im in school tomorrow03:15
zakmmi can add the repos03:16
zakmmwould it be dumb to add all repos? all 49 ?03:16
AStormbad idea03:16
AStormadd maemo-extras, and maybe maemo-extras-devel03:16
AStormmaybe that one with ogg-support, by Thomas Kulve03:16
zakmmschool has fast internet so i dont mind download time geting from all repos03:16
zakmmbut yeah03:16
AStormothers only if strictly needed03:16
zakmmschool has 44mbit down03:16
AStormsome have unstable software03:17
KotCzarnyhow much space you have on your 770?03:17
AStormeven maemo-extras-devel is stretching it03:17
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zakmmhow come i cant add bookmarks?03:17
zakmmtheres no add button?03:17
zakmmin "my bookmarks"03:17
AStormthere is in the browser03:17
zakmmohh n/m03:17
zakmmthe file menu03:17
zakmmi cant in browser.. no net right now03:18
AStormno, you can03:18
AStormeven w/o net03:18
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zakmmso i add maemo extras?03:19
AStormyes, that should be added already I think03:19
zakmmKotcrzarny: not sure .. probably only like 15mb03:19
AStormbut some repos which are added, are broken03:19
zakmmi just flashed?03:19
zakmmto 2008HE03:20
KotCzarnyit was rethoric question03:20
AStormthat is the distro/version entry isn't valid03:20
zakmmBrowser addons and extensions for the microB web browser.03:20
zakmmis microb the default browser?03:20
zakmmi thought it was opera?03:20
AStormnot in OS 200803:20
KotCzarnynot anymore in os200803:20
AStormmicrob is better03:20
zakmmi heard there was a adblock app? to make net faster?03:21
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AStormno, it slows things down03:21
AStormesp. browser startup03:21
KotCzarnyjunkbuster ? ;)03:21
AStormjunkbuster breaks pages ;P03:21
zakmmminefield firefox on the n800 :P03:21
AStormprivoxy too, but less03:21
zakmmit was called "adblock" i heard03:21
zakmmi saw it on my 2006 in application manager i think03:21
AStormadblock is a plugin03:21
KotCzarnyastorm: that's why i use junkbuster instead of privoxy03:21
AStormbut it's SLOW03:21
AStormdon't use it03:21
zakmmRTComm Beta ?03:21
zakmmwhat is that03:22
AStormKotCzarny: junkbuster breaks pages03:22
AStormzakmm: the chat application, beta version03:22
KotCzarnyastorm: which ones?03:22
zakmmis it good?03:22
AStormwith improved support for voice comm03:22
zakmmwould it be bad for me?03:22
AStormand more IM protocols03:22
AStormwell, it's stable03:22
zakmmconsidering im nokia 770 and all03:22
AStormwho knows, should work well03:22
zakmmah ill just wait lol03:23
zakmmim trying to do so much so fast03:23
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zakmmdevice has 36mb avaliable03:24
AStormnot too much03:24
zakmmon the internet call i can add SIP03:24
AStormbut an SD card and move the system there03:24
AStormzakmm: exactly03:24
zakmmcant i add my voipbuster account or something?03:24
zakmmand call people?03:25
KotCzarnyastorm: it's 77003:25
KotCzarnyno sd03:25
AStormyes, you can, but performance won't be high03:25
AStormKotCzarny: RS-MMC, who cares03:25
KotCzarnyisn't sd incompatible with mmc?03:25
zakmmdescribe not high? :P03:25
AStormKotCzarny: it is compatible03:25
zakmmrs-mmc not mmc :P03:25
AStormat least electrically03:25
AStormyou need to hack the enclosure though03:25
AStormor the socket03:25
KotCzarnynow that would be a coll project :P03:26
AStormand have protocol support in the kernel (should be already there)03:26
AStormPeople have done it already ;>03:26
zakmmshould internet call work fine for me .. over SIP ?03:26
KotCzarnyastorm: link ? :)03:26
zakmmi saw a pic03:26
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zakmmof someone who opened a nokia 770.. there was a miniSD adapter in it?03:26
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KotCzarnythen it's cool03:26
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zakmmit was on.. show me screenshots internettablettalk forum03:27
zakmmdont remember the page03:27
zakmmwould internet call work for me?03:27
KotCzarnyi have thought it has mmc reader only03:27
AStormyes, it only has MMC03:27
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AStormyou have to mod it to support SD too03:28
AStormand no SDHC for you03:28
zakmmanyone wanna sell me a RS-MMC? :P03:28
AStormshops will03:28
AStormif you look well, you'll find it03:28
zakmma local shop03:28
zakmmsells 1gb for $60 -l;-03:29
AStormso what? ;P03:29
AStormthese are uncommon03:29
AStormand MMC were always more expensive (due to "standarization")03:29
zakmmyou can call peoples houses with google talk .. in internet call?03:29
AStormbut I'm not sure if SU-18 has enough CPU power03:30
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KotCzarnyastorm: isn't sd--sdhc difference only in driver?03:31
KotCzarnyie. software side ?03:31
AStormin voltage03:31
AStormit depends on how the hardware is designed03:31
AStormsometimes just software, sometimes not03:31
AStormneeds to support lower voltage03:31
KotCzarnyhmm, ie 3.3 vs 5v mmc?03:32
AStormSD is 3V03:32
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AStormSDHC is lower, encoded in the header03:32
KotCzarnyi don't remember exactly03:32
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KotCzarnybut i saw in dmesg 3.3v03:33
KotCzarnyfor my sdhc cards03:33
KotCzarnylet me check03:33
AStormfor your internal chip ;P03:33
AStormwhich is normal SD03:33
KotCzarnyno it's not03:33
AStormmy card grabs 2,7V03:33
KotCzarnyi have n80003:33
AStormso read dmesg03:33
KotCzarnylet's check other card03:34
AStormas I said, it's lower than 3V ;)03:35
AStormmight be 3V, depends03:35
KotCzarnyboth are sdhc03:36
KotCzarnyone is bigger though03:36
KotCzarny[523786.632812] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)03:36
KotCzarny[523788.671875] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x29)03:36
KotCzarnyi can't see messages about internal flash though03:37
AStormVMMC is the internal afaicr03:37
AStorminternal flash isn't regulated like that03:37
KotCzarnyinternal i mean onenand flash03:37
AStormKotCzarny: VMMC is the internal MMC03:37
AStormKotCzarny: that flash has no controllable voltage03:37
AStormit's constant, I guess 3,3V03:37
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KotCzarnymaybe that's where i saw 3.303:38
AStormmost likely nothing uses 5V03:38
AStorm(as the cell is 3,7V for a reason ;P )03:38
KotCzarny[    1.523437] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 3300 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x39)03:38
KotCzarnyat the bootup it was 3.303:39
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KotCzarnythen went down to 2.803:39
AStormin SD mode03:39
AStormthen it was set to SDHC03:39
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zakmmon the nokia03:40
AStormfeeling proud? ;P03:40
zakmmit asks for user and pw for my sip account.. voip username@03:40
zakmmRegistrar : sip.voipbuster.com03:40
zakmmis username for sip ?03:40
AStormjust zakmm03:40
zakmmthe internet call thingy03:40
AStormbtw, I suggest you install rtcomm beta if trying voice communication03:40
zakmmhas a @ after username03:41
AStormit supports STUN better03:41
zakmmis it less requirements?03:41
AStormnot much less03:41
AStormSU-18 is just too slow ;P03:41
KotCzarnyi think mtd config is done by the kernel03:41
zakmmi did calls on gizmo on 2006 just fine?03:41
KotCzarnynot by nolo03:41
zakmmlandline calls?03:41
AStormKotCzarny: yes, by the kernel03:42
AStormbut voltage is constant03:42
KotCzarnyso it should be fairly easy to create bigger kernel03:42
AStormunixSnob: GOOGLE, fscking use it03:42
KotCzarnyunless nolo won't like it03:42
AStormNolo does broadcast partition table data03:42
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* KotCzarny prods unixsnob03:43
AStormso you'd have to disable table parsing03:43
zakmmwhat is presense?03:43
AStormzakmm: presence you mean? like status03:43
KotCzarnyonenand is 1.8v03:43
zakmmi guess?03:43
AStormKotCzarny: possible03:43
zakmmat top part near brightness03:43
AStormthere are many types of flash03:43
zakmmis something called presense?03:43
AStormzakmm: it's the status selector03:44
AStormif you're offline, away, etc.03:44
AStormand the status message03:44
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zakmmis there bluetooth on the nokia 770?03:45
AStormshould be03:45
AStormwouldn't be much of an internet tablet w/o connection to cell phones03:45
AStormyes, it has BT03:45
zakmmso should i have bluetooth on?03:46
zakmmi found the setting to turn it on03:46
AStormyou may have03:46
AStormit eats power03:46
AStormof course03:46
zakmmoh right03:46
zakmmcan a pc with bluetooth recognize it?03:46
AStormnot nearly as much as wifi though03:46
AStormyes, it can03:46
zakmmif pc has bluetooth?03:46
zakmmsick :D03:47
AStormusually as OBEX file transfer service03:47
KotCzarnywhy sick?03:47
KotCzarnyit's called technology03:47
AStormbut if you do it manually, you can use it as networking03:47
zakmmrather not, thanks03:47
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zakmmah the 2008HE is wicked :D03:48
zakmmslow.. but wicked03:48
smackpotatois that for 77003:48
AStormnah, the tablets are just great03:48
AStormsmackpotato: yes03:48
zakmmim on a nokia 770 now03:49
zakmmi installed 2008HE today on it03:49
zakmmsmackpotato: you have a nokia 770?03:49
smackpotatomy 770 is just lying aroune since i got my 81003:50
zakmmwanna sell me it? a friend wants03:50
zakmmhe looked at mine hes like i wanttt03:50
zakmmand another friend is geting a nokia 800 :P03:50
AStormyeah, N810 is so much better03:50
AStormN800 is also03:50
smackpotatoi think its going to my neice03:50
AStorm770 just doesn't have enough power03:50
AStormsmackpotato: :-)03:50
zakmmwe're 16/17 years old03:50
zakmmnot much cash :P03:50
zakmmok what was that ifconfig wlan0 renew? or something03:51
smackpotatoim an old man03:51
AStormzakmm: no03:51
AStormyou do that with udhcpcd03:51
AStormread up on that03:51
AStorm(or just reconnect)03:51
AStormsmackpotato: yeah, like, 80? ;P03:51
zakmmi reconnected like6  times03:52
zakmmno luck03:52
smackpotato50 anyway03:52
KotCzarnyjust get that wifi router up03:52
zakmmwhat time is it .. EST03:52
AStormsmackpotato: that's not old enough03:52
zakmmmy clock on pc says Dec 2001 lol03:52
AStormit's 01:53 UTC03:52
zakmmhow come03:52
zakmmit says "data is being transferred"03:53
zakmmand shows kbyte/s for send and recieve03:53
zakmmbut i dont get any like internet ?03:53
AStormso it somewhat works03:53
zakmmyeah but nothing works for me03:53
AStormdoes ping work?03:53
zakmmits requesting and geting back nothing lol03:53
AStormshould print timings03:53
zakmmi know what ping does :D lol03:54
AStormnote, these are dots ;P03:54
AStormit's easy to mistype03:54
KotCzarnyit would scream about dns then03:54
zakmmi get 1 line03:54
AStormor not, it's busybox03:55
zakmmand then the terminal is loading?03:55
AStormzakmm: ok, so your route is incorrect03:55
AStormcheck netstat -r03:55
zakmmgateway genmask flags UG ?03:55
AStormthat's not enough03:56
zakmmand then03:56
zakmmtheres iface?03:56
AStormok, so default route works03:56
zakmm192.168.10.0 * U03:56
zakmmabove it03:56
AStormtry pinging the gateway03:56
zakmmhah sorry i aws searching for what i thought you wanted03:56
AStormping ofc03:56
zakmm64bytes from ...03:57
zakmmtime 3.1ms03:57
zakmmstop it03:57
zakmm20 packets transmitted, 19 packets recieved, 5% packet loss03:57
AStormso gateway works, but doesn't route packets for you03:57
AStormis it yours?03:57
zakmmim guesing cause i did ctrl +c while one was going03:57
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zakmmits neighbors03:57
zakmmis it them ?03:58
AStormok, probably they have routing disabled, or route only some ips03:58
KotCzarnythat's why i'm telling him to get his router from the closet03:58
lcukGerrof my lawn, you sheeky kids!03:58
zakmmcan i do manual ip?03:58
zakmmwould that work?03:58
AStormzakmm: you don''t know enough to do that ;P03:58
zakmmyeah but someones downstairs using net03:58
zakmmand changing requires like unplugging lol03:58
zakmmyeah i do just tell me03:58
AStormyou'd need kismet or similar, which you don't have (it's crashy on IT anyway)03:58
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zakmmin connections when you select one03:59
zakmmyou can edit the saved ones03:59
zakmmand do manual ip?03:59
zakmmand DNS03:59
zakmmand then proxy and all03:59
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AStormzakmm: you'll fail anyway ;P04:01
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AStormyou must have a degree of knowledge of the network04:01
* unixSnob thinks even a novice can handle a manual IP04:02
AStormunixSnob: but not guess the right, routed IPs04:02
AStormunless it's
KotCzarnythat's 256 tries04:02
KotCzarnyand i think 10.1 is the right on04:02
KotCzarnyonly ignoring his ip04:02
AStormI'd use arp personally04:02
KotCzarnyi'd use nmap04:02
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zakmmsetting up the wireless in my room04:03
AStormKotCzarny: not good enough04:03
AStormfirewall will throw these away04:03
AStormwhile arp are broadcast correctly04:03
zakmmi broung the wireless router to my room04:03
AStormand display present machines04:03
unixSnobI don't think it's common for folks to constraint to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet04:03
KotCzarnyi usually use -p 80 for scanning04:03
infobotunixSnob meant: I don't think it's common for folks to constrain to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet04:03
AStormunixSnob: sometimes, yes04:04
AStormbut in this case, seemingly not04:05
AStormmore evil is DHCP on MAC ;)04:05
zakmmill be back .. have to kill internet to use wireless ( changing routers )04:05
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AStorm(unless you can get ARP ;P )04:05
KotCzarnypoor internet..04:05
KotCzarnyare we gonna die too?04:06
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AStormbut it's not internet if you cannot connect04:06
AStormit's intranet ;P04:06
AStormor even shadownet ;P04:06
KotCzarnywith intranet you can connect too04:06
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KotCzarnyto a limited group though04:06
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zakmmok i got wifi and net works on it :D04:21
zakmmmy own wireless internet...04:21
KotCzarnydon't forget to lower txpower on it04:21
KotCzarny(on router)04:22
zakmm2.4ghz its at? or something04:22
KotCzarnynot freq04:22
KotCzarnybut tx power04:22
zakmmWPA2 - password'd?04:22
KotCzarnywpa2 could do too04:22
zakmmthats what its at04:22
zakmmnow i have to do repos04:22
zakmmthere was skype in the application manager? i thought it wouldnt work?04:23
KotCzarnydon't run out of disk space04:23
zakmmand didnt work?04:23
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zakmmim at that page with all the repos on my nokia and when i click click to install nothing happens04:25
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GrackleHow can I convince my N800 to mount the memory card somewhere else?04:31
KotCzarnyedit mmc-mount script04:31
GrackleI've made an entry in /etc/fstab, but it still gets m...04:31
KotCzarnyor just make a symlink04:31
Grackleah ok04:31
KotCzarnysome things in os depend on /media/mmc{1,2}04:32
GrackleOh, I was asking about that earlier. Hmm.04:32
zakmmis canola 2.0.0~beta1~maemo.1 old?04:32
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zakmmits downloading awfully slow04:34
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ralannis there a macosx flasher tool?04:35
ralanni saw a page about one but it had no links to the flasher it talked about04:35
GAN8001step 5 has the link04:36
ralanni missed that in my lookings04:36
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zakmmsmart :D04:38
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ralannthx that looks easy04:43
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zakmmhow come my nokia rebooted when i installed skype?04:45
KotCzarnyout of mem?04:46
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zakmmoh probably04:48
zakmmit restarted04:48
zakmmand skype is loggin04:48
zakmmyeah skype works?04:48
zakmmim logged in04:48
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zakmmwhen i call on skype .. how come i get a "skype recording error" msg04:51
KotCzarnyno codec?04:52
KotCzarnyno sound device?04:52
zakmmhow would i go about and install?04:52
zakmmon the nokia04:52
zakmmi installed skype . .it logs in04:52
zakmmbut when i call .. i get that error04:52
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zakmm"no common codec" from skype?05:11
KotCzarnyi have heard it today in this chan05:11
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zakmmhow come sometimes the web is so smooth and others its like a crawl?05:47
KotCzarnyand low memory05:48
KotCzarnymaybe some broken js too05:48
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zakmmonly browser is running05:48
KotCzarnyso what?05:48
zakmmit was its own google.. how much js can there be05:49
KotCzarnybrowser is hungry05:49
zakmmwhat do i set it to?05:49
zakmmits at 102405:49
KotCzarnydon't know05:50
KotCzarnyjust guessing05:50
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zakmmis there something like top for it?05:53
zakmmsystem monitor.05:53
KotCzarnytry: top05:54
zakmmmaemo launcher takes 35.9% cpu and Xomap takes 20.7% cpu?05:54
zakmmahh memory usage*05:54
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zakmmwow alot coming and going06:39
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zakmmhow come audio playback on any player on the 2008HE wont play smooth and like totally freezes the program?06:50
zakmmwell freezes my nokia too06:50
KotCzarnybecause they probably use the same slave?06:50
zakmmis the audio codec's messed or something06:53
zakmmgstreamer i believe isnt it?06:53
KotCzarnydon't know06:54
zakmmcan i install different ?06:54
KotCzarnytry itt06:54
KotCzarny( or .org don't remember)06:54
zakmmim there alot .. never seen a topic/post on it though06:54
zakmmis there xpdf?06:55
KotCzarnyi would suggest you grabbing sdk06:55
zakmmim trying to run canola .. but it wont open when i click on it06:55
zakmmhow hard is it to compile for 2008HE?06:56
KotCzarnytry running from xterm06:56
KotCzarnyhave you ever compiled on linux?06:56
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zakmmthe usual ./configure make make install?06:56
KotCzarnysomething like this06:56
zakmmand possibly some use flags after ./configure06:56
KotCzarnybut in scratchbox06:56
zakmmdepending the app06:56
KotCzarnyare you familiar with debian?06:57
KotCzarnyor .debs in general?06:57
zakmmi use.. never really made?06:57
zakmmdpkg -i or something?06:57
KotCzarnyit's for installing06:57
zakmmi know what they are06:57
KotCzarnyall of them?06:58
zakmmall of them ?06:58
zakmmpretty familar?06:58
zakmmdont have much of a memory myself.06:58
KotCzarnythen you should know about fakeroot dpkg-buildroot then06:58
zakmmwhen i do canola i get Illegal instruction -.-06:58
KotCzarnywell, then canola guys compiled it for n8x0 cpu, unfortunatelly06:59
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zakmmoh well06:59
zakmmat least i know its not my nokia :D06:59
zakmmwell it is but i mean mine specifically06:59
KotCzarnyyeah, diff. cpu06:59
zakmmi start a app and then it opens like 1-2 min later ?07:00
zakmmexcept like terminal07:00
KotCzarnylow memory07:00
zakmmi gave swap?07:00
KotCzarnyrun ubuntu on 64mb07:00
KotCzarnysee how well it goes07:00
KotCzarnywith browser etc07:01
zakmmgnome .. yeah right -.-07:01
zakmmgnome is so bloated07:01
KotCzarnyswap is ~10-20x slower than regular hdd07:01
zakmmi wouldnt try any buntu's .. there so slow07:02
zakmmits not a harddrive though07:02
zakmmits a flash card07:02
KotCzarnysystem sees it as a block device07:02
KotCzarnysystem doesn't care07:02
zakmmso what its like underclocked?07:02
KotCzarnyjust slow07:02
KotCzarnyi think you can try looking for fanoush page07:02
KotCzarnyit has some hacks07:02
KotCzarnyfor 770 too07:03
zakmmto help my speed? :D07:03
KotCzarnydon't know07:03
zakmmxournal is lagging07:03
KotCzarnyi know that my head is going to kill me07:03
zakmmsee a doctor?07:04
KotCzarnyi'll be dead soon if i did07:04
KotCzarnydon't like doctors07:04
zakmmomg it restarted07:05
zakmmi have so much swap though.. why is it out of mem?07:05
KotCzarnybecause 64+32 isn't quite enough?07:05
KotCzarnyn8x0 has 128mb of ram07:05
zakmmhow much does ur have07:05
zakmmwith swap07:05
zakmmhow does 2007HE look?07:06
KotCzarnyi turn on swap if i know i will run memory hog app07:06
zakmmdoes it look like 2008?07:06
KotCzarnydon't know07:06
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KotCzarnyi have seen only os200807:06
zakmmi can make more swap .. delete stuff on my mem card?07:06
KotCzarnydon't know07:07
zakmmwhat is maemo application launcher07:08
zakmmit takes like 65% mem usage07:08
zakmmi ran "top" in xterm07:08
Proteousthe max swap you can enable by default on a 770 is 64mb07:09
KotCzarnynumbers in top aren't exactly what you think they are07:09
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Proteous"numbers in top may be closer then they appear"07:09
Proteousnow you know why I haven't posted any pictures of myself!!!07:10
Proteousluckly I don't spell my name that way :p07:10
KotCzarnyyou mean, your ersion has a typo?07:10
Proteousmust be because of my overgrown hands07:11
zakmmonly a few more than 200 cases have been confirmed worldwide, with estimates that about 120 people are currently alive with the condition07:11
ProteousI make millions by letting scientists study me07:11
KotCzarnyin dark times they were called 'freaks of nature'07:11
Proteous"Merrick himself died when the weight of his head dislocated his neck while asleep."07:12
KotCzarnyyup, evolution hates some people07:12
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zakmmwhats "Maemo launcher"07:14
KotCzarnyprobably some 'acceleration app'07:14
zakmmahh i really like 2008HE UI :(07:14
zakmmit takes 65% mem usage.. maemo launcher07:14
KotCzarnybut in low mem condition it may slow everything down07:15
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KotCzarnylook for a way to disable it07:15
zakmmkillall maemo-launcher? :D07:15
johnxthe version of top on the tablets lies07:15
johnx...about mem usage07:15
zakmmterrible vesion then07:15
zakmmhi johnx :D07:16
zakmmremember me07:16
zakmmi got 2008HE going07:16
zakmmbut its so slow :(07:16
johnxnot so awesome07:16
zakmmKotCzarny: killing it restarted the nokia07:17
KotCzarnyi know07:17
zakmmjohnx: know any speedups i could do ?07:17
zakmmmy main problem is running nothing but xterm = 97% mem usage07:17
johnxkill off metalayer-crawler07:17
KotCzarnythat's why i have said 'disabling' and not 'killing'07:17
zakmmi did that already07:17
johnxturn on some swap07:17
zakmmi did 32mb?07:17
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zakmmi know its not alot :( but i cant do much more07:17
zakmmwould like 48mb help more?07:18
johnxtype free07:18
johnxsee what the swap usage is07:18
zakmmit uses 97% with just xterm07:18
johnxof swap?07:18
zakmmof normal system07:18
johnxhow much is cached?07:18
zakmmit doesnt show cached?07:19
zakmmit stops at share?07:19
johnxit should, either in free or top07:19
KotCzarnypaste results of 'free' on pastebin.com07:19
zakmmtop says07:19
zakmm21952k cached07:19
KotCzarnyand give us link07:19
zakmm60644k used07:20
zakmm1580k free07:20
zakmmhow? its on my nokia?07:20 is a website07:20
zakmmi know07:20
zakmmbut you want me to retype what i see?07:20
johnxssh in? or hilight it in xterm and open up the browser?07:20
KotCzarnyi think you can copy and paste?07:20
zakmmlol johnx: you dont understand how long browser takes to open07:21
zakmmdont have ssh07:21
zakmmcant ssh a windows pc can you?07:21
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zakmmshould i download rdesktop?07:21
zakmmi saw it in the repo07:21
johnxanyways, in top, how much does it say is cached07:21
johnxthat's the only number I want :)07:21
zakmm21952k .. out of 60644k used07:21
johnxso 21952k caches07:22
johnxanyways, that's not too bad really07:22
KotCzarnyon an idle os07:22
KotCzarnystarting anything eats ram fast07:22
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johnxoh definitely07:22
zakmmlike now07:23
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zakmmxournal just froze on me07:23
zakmmonly app running07:23
zakmmand my battery like died07:24
GAN8001You need at least 64MB of swap in OS2008HE07:24
GAN8001Remember, OS2008 is designed for a device with 128MB of physical RAM07:25
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zakmmi only have the 64mb card07:25
zakmmshould i go back to 2006/07 .. wait till i get a 1gb card.. come back .. add swap07:26
zakmmand it will be alot better?07:26
KotCzarnya little better07:26
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zakmmi love 2008HE07:26
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Proteous2008HE hates you though07:27
Proteousa match made in the internets07:27
zakmmwhy doesnt the browser have a webkit engine?07:39
KotCzarnysome people managed to run webkit based thingie07:40
zakmmit seems like it would be faster like launching and all07:40
zakmmlower footprint?07:40
KotCzarnyand running too07:40
zakmmnothing in the making?07:41
KotCzarnyitt has most of the news07:41
johnxmidori is nice on the n80007:42
johnxit's supposedly not much faster than microb (builtin browser) on the 770 though07:42
johnxit's definitely worth a shot07:42
zakmmi figure ill try low apps lol07:43
zakmmbut keep the 2008HE07:43
zakmmlearn to compile and do like xpdf and stuff07:44
KotCzarnywanna links2 browser?07:44
zakmmlinks -g07:44
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Proteousbah, wget and cat is good enough for anyone07:45
johnxwget? bah!07:45
johnxI telnet to port 8007:45
Proteoussometimes that's even a bit much, telneting to port 80 is calming07:46
zakmmi cant download :P07:46
zakmmnot enough space07:46
Proteousyou might have to get rid of some of the pr0n then07:46
Proteousor just give up07:46
zakmmim going to bed07:47
KotCzarnydon't want that links2 binary?07:47
zakmmyou have it?07:47
zakmmi got school in like 6-7 hours07:47
zakmmyour compiling it now?07:47
KotCzarnyhave that much space?07:47
zakmmtoo much lol07:47
zakmmdont think so07:47
zakmmwell on memory i do .. but i have to install07:47
zakmmdevice doesnt.07:47
KotCzarnyremove something :)07:48
zakmminstalled too much to try stuff lol07:48
zakmmevince is wicked :D07:48
zakmmevince 2.21.707:48
zakmmcouldnt even do 2.22 stable -.-07:48
zakmmmess with useflags.. take out stuff you dont want :D07:48
zakmmadd ssl and graphics to links :P07:49
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zakmmhey is claws mail / sylpheed any good for the nokia?07:49
zakmmwould that work for me?07:49
KotCzarnyuse wget to get it07:50
KotCzarnygzip -d to unpack07:50
KotCzarnyand chmod +x to make it runnable07:51
zakmmwont download.. ( on my pc )07:51
zakmmi copy pasted?07:51
KotCzarnyif you use ie add http://07:52
zakmmi use opera 9.50 beta 207:52
zakmmcame out last week :P07:52
zakmmso awesome07:52
KotCzarnyalso make sure your firewall/av doesn't block07:53
zakmmwho says i have one? :P07:53
KotCzarnyHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK07:53
KotCzarnyLength: 1,698,807 (1.6M) [text/plain]07:53
KotCzarnyi say07:53
KotCzarnybecause works for me07:54
zakmmyour connecting to yourself07:54
zakmmof course its going to work07:54
KotCzarnyi have tried from a shell account07:54
KotCzarnysomewhere in the world07:54
zakmmfor all i know you localhost'd that07:54
zakmmhow'd you get it? :D07:54
zakmmi want :D07:54
KotCzarnyso it's not local07:54
KotCzarnymake friends with some admins07:54
KotCzarnythen just ask nicely for an account07:55
johnxit "works for me"07:55
KotCzarnymaybe i should have added .exe to it07:56
KotCzarnyfor opera/ie07:56
zakmmhow come 2008 is sucking so much battery?07:57
KotCzarnymaybe some background process07:57
KotCzarnybut i would bet on low memory and constant swapping/rereading07:58
zakmmit died in like 3 hrs07:58
zakmmfrm full to like dead07:58
zakmmand i have brightness on like the lowest07:58
KotCzarnyand wifi on07:59
KotCzarnyand you were using it07:59
johnxhmm...they probably didn't spend as much time tuning the power savings also07:59
zakmmbbefore i flashed  .. in 2006 i had like 2 days with it before battery started going down07:59
KotCzarnymy bet is on low memory though07:59
zakmmjohnx: do you know why audio freezes my nokia?07:59
zakmmaudio playback in any player07:59
johnxon the 770 in os2008he? no idea...08:00
* johnx has an n80008:00
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Cptnodegardgotta love the pure retardness of gizmodo articles08:24
CptnodegardSpotted at with an MSRP of $479. Still not sure how this thing is going to work on WiMAX when no one has WiMAX and also, not many people use these tablets.08:25
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johnxyeah, just read that, too08:25
johnxmy comment is waiting in their queue I guess08:25
Cptnodegardi think they disabled commenting for me because i called them retards a few times08:25
johnxso I guess this is as good a place to ask as any: Does anyone know if clearwire in the US will actually work with an off-the-shelf wimax card that supports their frequency?08:26
johnxin other words, will the n810 wimax work with clearwire?08:28
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AStormwell, conservative cpufreq is better than ondemand16:40
AStorm(even tuned ondemand)16:40
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Khertan_TheRealondemand will always be better ... specially for battery16:44
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ssvbAStorm: could you clarify? how did you reproduce it?16:46
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ssvbAStorm: was it poweroff dialog?16:46
AStormssvb: notg related to mplayer16:46
AStormin many apps16:46
AStormwith ondemand, I get rare random skips16:47
AStorm(even when threshold is increased)16:47
ssvbAStorm: I was asking about regaining focus16:47
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AStormah, that just try a few times16:49
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AStormsometimes you'll get a black screen16:49
AStormeswp. often if video is paused16:50
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AStormit tends to come back after some more switches16:50
AStormofc. with omapfb16:50
AStormit has an artifact if something else also tries to paint (e.g. home menu)16:55
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huatsdoes anybody is able to tell me if pygtk on the n810 supports svg manipulation ?17:13
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lardman we can now do fb output from the DSP on the N8x0 as well as the 77017:24
KotCzarnywhoo hoo17:26
qwerty12nice one :)17:26
lardmanthanks for sending me the kernel source when the repo was down :)17:26
qwerty12np, glad it helped :) for something as good as this :) thanks17:26
X-Fade_lardman: Nice!17:27
lardmanssvb: I didn't get round to trying the mplayer YUV output stuff, but will do some now that I've got that little problem sorted17:27
* qwerty12 is off to download Ubuntu Hardy and OpenSUSE and reformat. If I can get hardy to play nice with sbox, I'll use that. If not, OpenSUSE time.17:27
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BlafaselI dumped Ubuntu after a short try yesterday17:34
BlafaselOpenSuse worked out of the box and nice with my dualhead, ubuntu stubbornly insisted to use a cloned setup (instead of an expanded one) and provided no gui to fix that. Not easy enough for my gf ;)17:35
RST38hreinstall Hardy again? =)17:35
qwerty12I don't mind it, I thought 7.10 was great for scratchbox, worked out of the box with it but I'm really peed off with 8.04. I applied the two fixes for sbox under hardy but some packages still will not install and if I ignore it, I get compile errors and "sbox is not properly set up" when I log out and log in again17:35
KotCzarnyblafasel: ever heard about xrandr command?17:35
qwerty12RST38h, I'm trying it again :)17:36
qwerty12But if it fails, I'm grabbing opensuse.17:36
KotCzarnywell, girls can use cmd line too17:36
KotCzarnyi know a few that can at least17:37
ccookeBlafasel: (Not trying to convince you to switch; Suse's not a bad system) There *is* a GUI for that... It's the display resolution changer17:38
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Khertan_TheReali ve swith too ... no more ubuntu at home ... for debian !17:39
Khertan_TheReali ve try gOS but ... they now use gnome and it s now based on ubuntu ... :(17:39
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qwerty12I quite like the idea of LinuxMint but its based on Ubuntu too.17:40
RST38hqwerty: OpenSUSE is even worse17:40
RST38hWiped my MBR once17:41
ccookeRST38h: That *can* happen with any system17:41
RST38hccooke: Still, SUSE was the only one with which it happened to me.17:41
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qwerty12>.<. But I've wiped my MBR so much, I keep a boot cd full of stuff on it. Some illegal, some not so illegal.17:41
KotCzarnydos was notorious in wiping partition table17:41
NavigOS was always based on Ubuntu17:42
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RST38hWell, SUSE didn't completely wipe it, but rendered it unusable17:42
RST38hAnd uneditable with FDISK17:42
Khertan_TheRealLinuxMint seems based on Debian17:42
NaviMBRs being wiped isn't bad :p17:42
ccookeRST38h: ... that sounds like hardware failure17:42
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RST38hSo I had to boot from floppy and edit it by hand using some reeeally hacky tool17:42
Navithat bad*17:42
RST38hccooke: to me it sounds like screwed up installation script in SUSE17:43
ccookeRST38h: fdisk can recover (even if recovery means "replace with a blank one and start again") from a bad partition table17:43
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Khertan_TheRealis their some people using sqlite with python ...17:43
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qwerty12The thing is, I want Ubuntu to work, i'm reformatting with a clean install of Hardy but if it doesn't work, I'm going to OpenSUSE which seems very popular too. I'd like to try Debian but last stable was a year ago and I don't like unstable release. But saying that, new Debian is coming out. But except for the background, debian desktop looks boring :/17:44
Khertan_TheReali looking for the datetime format that sqlite understand17:44
RST38hccooke: SUSE set the secondary partition in a state where FDISK.EXE could not blank it17:44
Khertan_TheReali ve tryed
ccookeah, *dos* fdisk17:44
RST38hAnd could not use it either17:44
RST38hAnd to use *linux* fdisk you need a running copy of Linux, don't you?17:44
RST38hWhich is kinda difficult if your HD has damaged MBR, right?17:45
ccookeRST38h: not really17:45
KotCzarnyor usb boot17:45
KotCzarnyor second pc17:45
RST38hLaptop. No CD.17:45
KotCzarnypcmcia boot can do too17:45
ccookeyou can get a shell on the installation media of every linux distro I've seen in ages17:45
Khertan_TheRealnetwork boot up :17:45
RST38hActually, the solution was much simpler17:45
RST38h1. DOS floppy 2. manual MBR editor 3. Mix, boot, edit 4. Never touch SUSE again.17:46
KotCzarnybtw. you can have linux on a floppy too17:46
RST38hI would rather not though...17:46
KotCzarnyfits nicely17:46
qwerty12gOS looks tacky :p17:46
RST38h'cause I just want thing to work and not to cause me problems17:46
KotCzarnyi wouldn't trust anything created by fdisk.exe17:47
RST38hIn fact, FreeBSD usually does just that - works, does not cause problems17:47
RST38hUbuntu is pretty much the first Linux distro that does the same for me17:47
* qwerty12 is burning 8.10 now. I'm gonna remove my linux partitions, reinstall xp mbr and set xp to be active again and go through the Ubuntu install again.17:49
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* KotCzarny installed slackware 8.0 long time ago17:50
KotCzarnythen it's 'just working [tm]'17:50
* Navi needs to axe XP and resize his media partition17:50
KotCzarnywith upgradepkg here and there of course17:50
qwerty12Slackware, while not bad, seems too much for me. I can't be arsed to compile (I believe that's how it works?)17:50
KotCzarnyaxe media partition and resize xp17:50
KotCzarnyqwerty: you're confusing it with gentoo17:51
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qwerty12Doh, thanks. I get my distros mixed up17:51
Naviit's a binary distro17:51
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KotCzarnysources are available too17:52
Navithough, a lot of sllackers compile shtick, last i used it17:52
KotCzarnywell, you usually compile if you hack something17:52
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qwerty12"Slackware's mascot - Tux with a pipe", I still think the idea of Ganja instead looks better.17:53
KotCzarnyafair there wasn't any clarifications what's IN the pipe17:54
KotCzarnymay be bubble gum as well17:54
KotCzarnyand smoking kills17:54
KotCzarnybe it tobacco or ganja17:54
qwerty12Bubut someone called Arnim Sauerbier said "people use drugs to prevent death.  people use drugs because death is inevitable" so what does it matter? :P17:55
KotCzarnyever been in pain? :P17:56
KotCzarnypain matters17:56
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qwerty12Well, I've never been in serious pain that makes me go to drugs but I did scrape my hand a lot smashing up and breaking my N-Gage with some sort of enlargened allen key. Damn, these Finnish love to make a strong product.17:58
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KotCzarnyanything is breakable17:58
qwerty12Bye, I gtg to reformat :)17:59
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sp3000hmm, did I ask this recently18:21
sp3000anyone happen to know if you can change modest's plaintext compose font to something decent instead of the ultra-wiry courier?18:22
KotCzarnygtkrc ?18:22
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mouradhello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0  but i can't find the library "libxslt"  to use it, how can i proceed ?18:26
* sp3000 wouldn't know where to put it or what to put in it18:27
sp3000I suppose ~/.gtkrc is a decent guess for the first18:27
KotCzarnyi think /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 or something18:27
KotCzarnybut more probably /usr/share/themes/18:27
KotCzarnyjust write modest's author18:28
KotCzarnyit will be simpler18:28
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sp3000!summon djcb18:31
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sp3000hm, that didn't work18:33
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qwerty12Hello :). I speak from a newly installed 8.10. Time to install fglrx to fix my brightness and try out scratchbox.18:40
sp3000or, I could just sneak in and replace the ttf :P18:41
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CrashandDieHey everyone18:41
CrashandDieI'm looking to pick up some storage for my N810, got any links ? (preferably 8GB microsd + micro-mini-sd adapter)18:42
CrashandDie(I'm in Europe btw)18:42
* sp3000 doesn't see references to anything but a sans in the theme rcs18:42 ?18:42
CrashandDiebleh, I don't like buying consumer electronics off ebay18:43
KotCzarnysome kind of craigslist local to your city?18:43
CrashandDiecraigslist ?18:44
KotCzarnysocial board18:45
qwerty12In UK, we have gumtree. Not exact but similar imo18:45
KotCzarnythat's the 'some kind of' in my suggestion18:46
CrashandDiei'm not looking to buy second hand18:46
KotCzarnyyou can buy new sometimes18:46
CrashandDieok nevermind18:46
KotCzarnywhen people bought wrong size etc18:46
* sp3000 is annoyed18:47
KotCzarnysp3000: then just replace the font and see what happens18:47
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sp3000global awesomeness, I imagine18:48
KotCzarnyyou don't like courier anyway18:49
KotCzarnyi think you can do it in /etc/fonts/somewhere18:49
KotCzarnyputting an alias to courier18:49
sp3000it should go on an extended vacation on the moon with comic, yes18:49
lardman|afkCrashandDie: just make sure you don't get a Sandisk micro to mini adaptor18:51
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CrashandDielardman, why not ?18:51
sp3000the shared hallucination (among not-really-monospace-using-people mostly I suppose) that it's some sort of reasonable monospace font is rather unfortunate18:52
lardmanthey don't work; there's a bug on the maemo bugtracker for it18:52
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* KotCzarny is used to 'fixed'18:53
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CrashandDielardman, hmm... k18:55
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sp3000hm, but these things have names embedded, no18:56
sp3000so replacing a file shouldn't actually help at all18:56
KotCzarnythat's why i suggested /etc/fonts/18:56
lardmanCrashandDie: Kingston adaptor works with my Sandisk micro SD but the Sandisk adaptor doesn't, for example18:56
CrashandDielardman, ok, good to know18:57
CrashandDielardman, you wouldn't know where I could get that kingston adaptor ?18:57
qwerty12From Jamaica? ;P18:58
lardmanCrashandDie: I had to buy another card18:58
qwerty12Hehe, I'd have a great time in China "diverting" shipments..18:59
lardmanSome people report success with adaptors bought on ebay, so you could give that a go, but ymmv18:59
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KotCzarnyhe hates  getting off ebay19:00
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lardmancu chaps19:01
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dnearyI made my first NP level :)19:03
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KotCzarnydneary: like, new level? or just playing the game?19:04
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dnearyKotCzarny: design19:06
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KotCzarnyis there an editor?19:06
dnearyon the N810, you just hit "e"19:06
KotCzarnywill it work with osk too?19:07
dnearydon't know19:07
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sp3000KotCzarny: oh, victory19:09
sp3000thanks for the pointers19:09
KotCzarnycourier be dead ?19:10
* sp3000 commented out the NewCourier elements in conf.d/40-* and 60-* so it prefers the next in line19:10
sp3000one of the edits is probably unnecessary19:10
fysasomeone has put the Android fonts on the N80019:10
fysawhich are supposed to be nice19:10
sp3000and reordering would probably be more correct19:10
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sp3000but I'll iterate next time19:11
KotCzarnyor adding 39-sp3000-something?19:11
sp3000hey, that level of correctness approaches packageability19:12
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KotCzarnygroup hating?19:12
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sp3000hm, thnk that's the way the priority goes, and not overriding in later files in order?19:13
* sp3000 has no idea19:13
KotCzarnydon't know19:13
fysaI don't know if that's it.19:13
KotCzarnythen 41-sp300019:13
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sp3000or >60, depending on which one the useful fix is19:13
KotCzarny99-local-sp3000 then19:14
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dnearyCan't figure out how to find those levels now19:16
qwerty12Ok, packages for CHINOOK_ARMEL are downloading. If I have no problems, Ubuntu it is :). If I do, OpenSUSE download time. I've downloaded sbox 20 times in total. I'm not gonna keep trying for Ubuntu.19:16
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PauliusHey all19:17
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PauliusOS2008 is very nice, but certain things are slow.19:18
Atariiwb Paulius19:18
PauliusI'll get beardrop installed and will try optimizing it19:18
qwerty12that's just cruel :p19:19
Pauliusi.e.: removing services and trying the few kernel tricks that post recommended.19:19
qwerty12dropbear perhaps? :)19:19
KotCzarnybear droppings.. augh19:19
Pauliusright right19:19
fysasounds military19:19
KotCzarnyand installing them anywhere?19:19
fysaoperation beardrop19:19
KotCzarnymore like diversion19:20
Pauliuscan't find it on maemo19:20
KotCzarnyinstall ssh-server19:20
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KotCzarnyor simply install ssh meta package19:21
qwerty12openssh is better than dropbear imho. Only advantage of dropbear is that bootmenu (if you use it) doesn't need to keep generating ssh keys.19:21
Pauliusbut it also uses less RAM.19:21
KotCzarnybut doesn't drop bears19:22
KotCzarnyon unsuspected tableteers19:22
MangoFusionwhere are my bears?19:22
qwerty12Where you left them?19:22
MangoFusioni can't bear life without them!19:22
KotCzarnyask google19:22
johnxMangoFusion, they were dropped19:22
KotCzarnyhere's your bear19:22
MangoFusiondropped? dropped?! But i paid good money for them! They'll never be the same again!!19:23
hillctwhat's the maemo dist name for the Febuary 2008 OS distribution?19:23
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johnxchinook, OS2008, maemo 4.0.119:24
johnxlots of names, really :)19:24
qwerty12POS, PITA etc19:24
hillctand what magic do I need to perform to get root access on it?19:24
qwerty12w00t!, SDK installed fine on a clean install of hardy :)19:24
johnxhillct, grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com19:24
KotCzarnyhillct: install ssh-server19:24
hillctthanks. the root scripty thing keeps changing19:25
hillctor at least it seems to19:25
johnxbecomeroot still works I think19:25
hillctyeah, that's the one I used last time around19:25
johnxinfobot, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com19:26
infobotjohnx: okay19:26
hillctgood call19:26
hillctas I recall, the packaged version of becomeroot was dist specific, but the script itself works19:27
qwerty12I'd recommend easyroot anyway. It can work in the same way as becomeroot plus have a shortcut "root", which sets proper environment for root user profile.19:27
RST38hqwerty: it worked?19:28
RST38hthird time was the magic? =)19:28
mourad hello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0  but i can't find the library "libxslt"  to use it, how can i proceed ?19:28
qwerty12RST38h, yes :). Nope, reformat :)19:28
qwerty12Thanks for your help with SB2 but I think SB1 is more for me.19:29
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* KotCzarny likes sb1 too19:29
* johnx should setup sb2 again19:29
qwerty12Now I can get back to what I do best, make crappy ports :P19:29
qwerty12I think SB1 and SB2 conflict with each other, I've never managed to get both installed at same time.19:30
ProteousI like SMB119:30
johnxqwerty12, I wouldn't doubt it19:30
elbI prefer SMB319:31
qwerty12johnx, true. I assumed they wouldn't because afaik they use different dirs.19:31
johnxI don't assume anything when it comes to computers anymore19:32
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johnx10 years ago, I assumed win95 would actually work with my computer's hardware since it came installed on the $%*# thing...hah19:32
* johnx was so glad to see isa pnp die19:33
hillctjohnx: FYI aparently the .install file extension on is served with the wrong mime type19:34
Cptnodegardthigns have changed in 10 years. people who buy computers today dont expect vista to work  :p19:34
johnxhillct, yeah. I think I remember that happening19:34
hillctjohnx: I take it it's not your box19:34
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johnxheh...right now my webhost is auto-spamming me to tell me I'm almost at my bandwidth quota19:36
johnxmy mail reading? I like that idea19:36
johnx"hey kid, I'll giva ya a shiney nickel to read my email to me"19:37
solmumahaanyone know of (c)fdisk for tablet?19:37
KotCzarnyor just use it via usb19:37
KotCzarnywill work too19:37
johnxsfdisk is more painful than fdisk19:37
KotCzarnyjohnx: depends on the task19:37
johnxfdisk is installed by default though19:37
KotCzarnyand experience19:37
KotCzarnyis it?19:38
johnxI thought it was O_o19:38
* johnx checks19:38
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qwerty12sfdisk is installed by default19:38
johnxah, guess not19:38
qwerty12not sure about fdisk19:38
johnxah, ok19:38
KotCzarnycfdisk needs some dependencies19:38
johnxtoo many OSes on too many handheld ARM devices19:38
qwerty12KotCzarny, be a man and compile them :p19:39
KotCzarnyqwerty: and who would like to install all of them? :P19:39
KotCzarnyand i have heard you have working sbox :P19:39
qwerty12>.<, you got me there :D :)19:39
hillcteasyroot is very nice. no file editing etc...19:40
qwerty12I'd like to set up sbrsh but my router is a POS. I really need to chip out for a new one...19:40
johnxyour router doesn't route? doesn't even switch?19:41
CrashandDiewhat's the point of having a router if it doesn't route ?19:41
johnxdoor stop? paper weight? foot warmer?19:41
qwerty12Naw, it doesn't like SSH. Firewall is set up fine. I log in via ssh and it stays there forever :/19:41
CrashandDiewut ?19:42
KotCzarnymaybe some idle tcp killer19:42
CrashandDieI doubt that's due to the router, honestly19:42
KotCzarnyor just short connection timeout19:42
qwerty12I dunno, it works fine over USB.19:42
qwerty12Ports are forwarded correctly.19:42
KotCzarnyor some active p2p users in da hauz19:42
qwerty12Linux and Windows host both crap out :P19:43
CrashandDieqwerty12, you don't need to forward ports on local network19:43
qwerty12KotCzarny, usually but not today :p19:43
qwerty12CrashandDie, true but I did it for correctness as it isn't working for me already.19:43
johnxqwerty12, just to ensure there's no possible way it can work?19:44
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qwerty12johnx, got it in one. I@19:44
qwerty12s/I@/I'm sure it's router.19:44
CrashandDieqwerty12, tried changing the ports ?19:44
johnxwe used to do that at a comp repair shop. Customer would bring in something they thought was broken, we'd tazer it and RMA it for them. :)19:45
CrashandDieqwerty12, instead of listening on port 22, get it to listen on port 80 ?19:45
CrashandDieqwerty12, or whatever is available19:45
qwerty12CrashandDie, I haven't come think of it. I wasn't and still not sure on the hows so I'd read up on it. Thanks :)19:45
qwerty12johnx, placebo effect? :)19:45
CrashandDieqwerty12, also, try certificate-based auth instead of password19:46
johnxalso, nmap19:46
johnxand ssh -vvv19:46
qwerty12CrashandDie, I did set up certs with same problem.19:46
CrashandDieplus, certificate based auth is so much easier in the end19:46
CrashandDie <-- over 400 this game is way too hard :/19:47
johnxand a good guide on how networking works :)19:47
CrashandDiejohnx, now now, don't be mean19:47
CrashandDiejohnx, how is debian going ?19:47
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johnxhey, we all need a refresher on the basics from time to time. Sometimes I still find I have assumptions that are just totally off the wall19:48
KotCzarny-o tcp_keepalive could help too19:48
johnxI was on hiatus from Debian for a couple months, but I've been trying to dig back into it recently19:48
KotCzarnyif it's tcp timeout on the router19:48
johnxI'm gonna get a new webhost and try and put out a release that has working keyboard for N810 and N800 w/ usb keyboard19:49
qwerty12Hmm, conntrack timeout is 30 seconds. Low or high?19:49
KotCzarnylow i think19:49
johnxpenguinbait did a neat "boot from sd" .deb that I should try and copy :)19:50
KotCzarnyin linux it defaults to 432000 i think19:50
qwerty12Ah, thanks. It was "optimised" for p2p :/19:50
qwerty12432000 seconds sounds a bit high :?19:50
johnxqwerty12, it is for a router with small amounts of RAM19:51
CrashandDieanyway, I dropped the idea of getting a new sd card19:51
johnxCrashandDie, really? why?19:51
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CrashandDiewell, I'm moving to the UK, so I don't really need the expense19:52
qwerty12johnx, this one for sure. Thanks, I'll set it to something like 3 mins.19:52
KotCzarny3mins is too low19:52
johnxI think mine is at 30 min to an hour or so19:52
KotCzarnyjust try that tcpkeepalive option in ssh19:52
johnxand it depends on *which conntrack timeout* you're talking about19:52
CrashandDieand even though it's only about 80euro, well, bleh, the hell19:52
qwerty12johnx, tcp19:52
CrashandDieI'll wait for the 16 or 32gig19:52
KotCzarnyor buy n80019:53
johnxaaah, you have an N810 so you're stuck with microsd?19:53
johnx2GB normal SD cards are getting close to free...19:53
qwerty12CrashandDie, make it fast coming to England. £ cheaper = € :p19:53
CrashandDieqwerty12, I'll be there in about 3 months time ;)19:54
qwerty12Cool :)19:54
CrashandDiebtw, does anybody know the rules and regulations about importing a bike to the UK ?19:54
KotCzarnydriving on the left would kill you...19:54
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CrashandDienha, I think I'll handle that19:55
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CrashandDiebut I mean like, taxes or check ups and stuff ?19:55
CrashandDiebecause I really love this bike :)19:57
* johnx misses his bike :(19:57
CrashandDieAnd I'd be pretty pissed if I had to sell it in order to get a new one19:57
CrashandDiejohnx, what did you have ?19:57
johnxjust a basic trek with front shock...I just mis *having* a bike19:58
CrashandDieoh, and I'm guessing that by your silence, you have no idea about how I would go about converting my french driving licence into a UK one ?19:58
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qwerty12CrashandDie, It isn't EU license?19:58
qwerty12Because now, you get given EU driving card now afaik19:58
johnxis anyone here actually in the UK?19:58
qwerty12I am but at 15, i've never bothered to check this stuff out.19:59
CrashandDieqwerty12, I dunno, I have the old license, never seen a new one here19:59
CrashandDieqwerty12, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^20:00
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qwerty12Ah. If you get here, best place is to ask at the post office.20:00
qwerty12CrashandDie, nope :p20:00
qwerty12I can't ride a bike, some physical weirdness.20:00
CrashandDieqwerty12, sorry, wrong nick ^^20:00
CrashandDiejohnx, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^20:00
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qwerty12my N800. "installing clit" :/20:01
qwerty12I bs you not.20:02
johnxyeah, I know. convert-lit20:02
qwerty12I know, I just think it sounds funny :P20:02
johnxCrashandDie, yeah...just a bicycle, but it's too expensive to get it shipped :/20:02
Stskeepsclit mice could be nice to have at times :P20:02
johnx :D20:03
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johnxI really liked those. I don't understand why they're so unpopular and instead sub-notebooks have tiny, crappy touchpads20:05
* qwerty12 didn't like them20:05
CrashandDiejohnx, clit mice were basically glorified joysticks20:05
Stskeepsjohnx: patents methinks20:05
* KotCzarny loves clits20:05
johnxwell I guess that answers that. We don't have them anymore because qwerty12 didn't like them. :P20:06
CrashandDienow, if we reverse that sentence... "a glorified joy stick is a clit"20:06
qwerty12of course, east london mafia held guns to the manufacturers :p20:06
KotCzarnyrhymes too20:06
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MouseyI'm BACK!!20:13
* Mousey waves20:14
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AStormfirst thing I'll do after setting up devel env is porting rtorrent20:14
AStorm*the* torrent client20:14
qwerty12AStorm, any better than ctorrent or Transmission?20:14
* Mousey enjoys abusing /wallchan20:14
AStormqwerty12: much better20:14
AStormalternatively, port Deluge20:14
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AStormwhich uses the same library (a fork actually, but synced)20:15
qwerty12I'd like to see Aleph One. I'll have a go sometime but I'm really rubbish. hint hint ;)20:15
AStormKotCzarny: of will you do that? :)20:15
AStormshould be like 2 deps20:15
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KotCzarnylike now?20:16
AStormplease port svn/devel if you can20:16
KotCzarnyi'm barely awake20:16
qwerty12I'll try if you want.20:16
KotCzarnyand qwerty has working sbox20:16
AStormqwerty12: :)20:16
AStormDeluge would be nicer ofc20:16
qwerty12Go on then :). - this rtorrent? :)20:17
AStormDeluge is like rtorrent with non-ncurses UI :)20:17
qwerty12I'm quite bad at GUI apps :/. I'll try rtorrent first :)20:18
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qwerty12I've downloaded trunk which is 1 week old.20:18
AStormqwerty12: it's in PyGTK20:19
AStormqwerty12: good20:20
AStormyou need libtorrent ofc20:20
qwerty12Yeah, I'm compiling that. But I wish they used tar instead of zip, I'm sorting out permissions atm20:21
AStormuhm, use svn?20:22
qwerty12Yeah, but I've gone and sorted them out now :). I'll use svn on the rtorrent.20:22
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qwerty12Sigh, libtorrent compile is slow and I've only got 5/10 mins left.20:28
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qwerty12Ok, I've made a quick deb of libtorrent. I'm compiling rtorrent now.20:33
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qwerty12AStorm, here's libtorrent and rtorrent. I haven't tested and it was a quick package up so use dpkg -i to install it. Dependencies should be ok as I only have official maemo repos in scratchbox atm (extras, chinook and extras-devel)20:42
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keesjmight be a nice one
Pauliusoh my god, I have a genius ideas20:43
PauliusYou know these people who hack their linksys routers?20:44
* johnx raises his hand20:44
PauliusWell, they have a hack to put in more RAM. They just solder a 32MB chip instead of the 16MB chip.20:44
PauliusMaybe the same is possible with the Internet tablets.20:44
konttoriBy the way, zeenix is working on tracker based upnp server that would run nicely on routers.20:44
johnxmaybe, we'd need a really dedicated hardware guy to look at it20:44
johnxalso the board is probably denser on the NITs20:44
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PauliusBut unless it's DDR2, it's not using an FCPGA solder method.20:45
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PauliusIt's quite easy to unsolder and resolder.20:45
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johnxah, so you're the dedicated hardware guy we need to have do this :D20:45
PauliusAnd no it wouldn't be easy. Would need to get a quite high-density RAM chip.20:45
AStormhuh, tar.gz$20:46
Paulius512 / 8 = 64MB per chip20:46
Pauliusthat would be for 512MB laptop RAM.20:46
PauliusAnd something tells me that it's not that high density.20:46
johnxit's mostly applicable to the 770 owners I would think. The N800/N810 isn't quite RAM starved enough that many people would be interested20:47
PauliusWell I'm a 770 owner and OS2008 is too friggin slow.20:47
PauliusI think I'll be getting an N810 when the prices drop.20:47
PauliusI got my 770 for $150.20:47
PauliusNow that I know Nokia's profit margins, I really don't want to spend $500 or so on this thing20:47
AStormWe'd be more interested ib a second SD slot mod20:48
PauliusAStorm: 770 uses MCC20:48
PauliusOr is it MSS20:48
Pauliusor maybe it was WTF or ROTFLMAO20:48
johnxor a micro-sd in a cut up piece of plastic :)20:48
PauliusHad no idea that that was possible.20:49
johnxITT has all the juicy info20:49
_V_my 8GB A-Data die20:49
_V_(while on my n800...)20:49
johnx_V_, that sucks. Is it completely dead? or just some fs corruption?20:50
PauliusThat'll teach you not to use cheap Sd cards.20:50
Pauliusor flash cards20:50
_V_my pc doesn't "see" it at all20:50
johnx_V_, are you still using an old version of OS2007?20:50
_V_no, os200820:50
AStormsandisk, kingston...20:50
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PauliusIs OS2007HE faster than 2008?20:50
johnxPaulius, at least a little20:50
_V_my OS was installed on that card :-(20:50
johnxwell that really sucks20:51
Pauliusjohnx: The show stopper for me is the lack of sound, actually.20:51
_V_AStorm: a-data isn't ok ?20:51
AStorm_V_: heh, what fs?20:51
johnxAStorm, I've had nothing but bad luck with sandisk20:51
AStormext* kill first blocks of the device :P20:52
PauliusOS2008 is faster at some things than 2006...20:52
PauliusBut no sound :-(20:52
AStormjohnx: and I haven't20:52
johnxhad anyone got sound working on it?20:52
_V_AStorm: so which fs ?20:52
_V_fat ?20:52
AStorm_V_: well, FAT or btrfs20:52
PauliusNo idea. I presumed sound worked.20:52
PauliusIt's weird because it KINDA works.20:52
AStormbut you can't use FAT for /20:52
PauliusWhen I close a window or bootup there's sound.20:53
AStormmaybe jffs220:53
johnxAStorm, I wouldn't jump to blaming ext2 for this card's death...20:53
PauliusBut none from applications (ex: sound settings, mplayer, etc)20:53
Atariidefault media player sound works20:53
johnxand what does mplayer say from the CLI?20:53
AStormjohnx: well, I wouldn't too, but it isn't flash-friendly20:53
johnxcan jffs2 be used on a normal block device?20:54
Pauliuswow media player does work20:55
Pauliusbut it's interface is laggy20:55
AStormjohnx: I think so20:55
AStormit requires block layer on top of mmc20:55
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AStormuhm, mtd20:55
johnxI was under the impression that it could only work on a plain NAND (or maybe NOR?) flash device20:56
AStormit works on block device level20:56
johnxgiven that you can't even mount a jffs2 image without emulating a mtd device I think there's something special20:56
AStormyou can't? bummer20:57
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AStormalthough emulating mtd on mmc isn't hard20:57
AStormthere is a read-only SD driver already20:57
Pauliuswow it does real media streaming?20:58
Pauliushow about windows media streaming?20:58
AStormyes, but no DRM20:58
AStormmplayer does these too20:58
AStormreal media it doesn't do20:58
Pauliusyeah but mplayer doesn't work on os200820:59
AStormheh, why?20:59
Pauliusno idea20:59
Pauliusask os200820:59
AStormmaybe check /etc/mplayer/20:59
AStormthere are a few settings20:59
johnxmplayer is very verbose when run from an x terminal. it might be worth a look21:00
Pauliusother application audio doesn't work aswell21:00
Pauliusonly media player default thingy21:00
Atariiyea its weird, on doom you can hear everythin expect when you fire :S21:01
Pauliuswindows media steaming doesn't work21:02
Pauliusfrom the looks of it21:02
AStormI sense codec problem.21:02
Atariicp 2007he/codec/* 2008/codec/*21:04
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johnx770/OS2008HE users asking about sound in mplayer: hit this thread and search for mplayer:
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johnxgood luck, as I'm off to bed21:10
johnx'night qwerty12_N80021:10
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Mouseyis it just me or does handwriting recognition on the n8x0 just suck rocks21:22
Stskeepsnot really, i think it actually does a better job at recognising mine than my peers at university..21:22
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Mouseywonder what i'm doing wrong21:24
_V_what's the best, sandisk or kingston ?21:24
Mouseybeyond having sloppy handwriting and high expectations21:24
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alfafaAnyone know of some way to "sync" your firefox opened tabs from your desktop to bookmarks or something for the maemo browser? Could be useful to look at ones opened while on the train21:29
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ralannsurvey says......21:42
ralannn810 will arrive on Thursday :D21:42
ralannim soooooo excited21:42
Pauliusyou better be21:42
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konttoriRun to the shop now to buy a 8 gb mini/micro sd!21:50
* Mousey needs one21:50
ralannmeh, i ordered one of those at the same time21:51
alfafaANd don't forget a micro»mine sd adapter  ;)21:51
ralanngot that too21:51
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* ralann has been doing his homework before buying21:52
penguinbaitwhats the homework telling ya?21:53
penguinbaitI would buy micro21:53
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ralannpenguinbait: that's what it told me too21:54
thphow do i programatically open a new e-mail message and attach a file on maemo (preferable python, but the shell command is also okay)21:54
ralannanyway a mini card could not be found for a reasonable price at 8gb21:55
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ralannthe problem i see with micro cards is that if i had more than one i'd lose the 2nd card because it is smaller than my pinky finger nail22:05
penguinbaitI just know if I buy a mini, the n900 will only take micro22:05
penguinbaitits just my luck22:05
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ralannyeah, i hear that22:05
penguinbaitI am learning, slowly22:05
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lcuk2Mousey, recognition was crap for me - i redefined L to be as i write it, then when i came to change t it told me i was too similar to L (the original L).  so i completely disabled all variations of L and it STILL told me "t" looked like L22:08
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lcuk2i havent tried since22:08
qwerty12_N800I never use handwriting recognition on any platform, my writing is extremely bad. (I  mean bad to the extreme)22:10
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ralanni was a badass at the palm graffiti22:10
ralannbut then my palm died about a month ago22:11
ralanni really hated that thing, but i just couldn't buy  anew device when that one still qurked just fine22:11
lcuk2did it go hairy first?22:11
lcuk2ahhh then you must be blind22:12
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adam_is there a tutorial that shows how to setup the os on the internal card and change all the boot loader info?22:16
qwerty12_N800ask penguinbait bout his deb :)22:16
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Cptnodegardcan someone give me any url for a web radio?22:18
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penguinbaitqwerty did you try it?22:23
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penguinbaitadam_ I made a deb to setup the whole process22:24
qwerty12_N800penguinbait, i haven't yet, my sd card has problems with sd boot but I will do in a few weeks :)22:24
penguinbaitI want to get it all hammered out before next OS release22:24
penguinbaitbest used after a fresh flash22:25
penguinbaityou have the least to lose :)22:25
qwerty12_N800I'm currently recovering after a fresh flash :p. got the backup and apps restored :)22:26
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qwerty12_N800But i'm unsure if my sd slots are messed up or if it is unsupported sd high speed mode that is giving me i/o errors.22:27
Cptnodegardphoto casts on canola...does it work with flickr, photobucket?22:28
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ImMelodyhello :o22:28
Cptnodegardfound a rss button22:28
qwerty12_N800ImMelody, hi22:28
ImMelodyI have done a baaaaaaa~d thing.. I built a computer for my 4 yr old :(22:29
lsobralCptnodegard, photocasts in canola work with flickr, picasa22:29
lsobralnever tested with photobucket22:29
qwerty12_N800ImMelody, linux + gcompris and you are done :p22:29
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ImMelodyBut how do you turn the speakers off? :P22:30
ImMelodyOr should I rephrase.. How do you keep the child from turning the speakers back on and putting the volume at max XD22:30
ImMelodyI had wanted to do linux, but my husband convinced me that windows would be better for him because he has a thomas DOS game he really enjoys22:31
qwerty12_N800connect the speaker to itself, the small subwoofer nearly fell on my foot... bad idea :p22:31
qwerty12_N800disable sound card :p22:31
ImMelodyIt's all these silly toddler websites.. all the instructions and links are sound22:33
qwerty12_N800Ah, if your son hasn't heard about volume control panel, put down wave volume and if he has, go into sound control panel and untick tray option :p22:35
ImMelodyWill be doing that..22:37
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* konttori has finished first version of wiimote 22:47
konttoriif anyone is interested in trying it out, let me know.22:47
ImMelodywhat do I need to make it work?22:48
konttoriInstall python22:48
ImMelodyperipheral wise22:48
qwerty12_N800a wii controller and python22:49
ImMelodyI'd like to try it out22:49
konttoriSo, you launch the app. It asks you to push 1+2 on your wiimote. Boom. done.22:49
konttoriOk. I'll put it to ukmp garage page for now.22:49
konttoriI was just testing doom with it and it's a blast22:51
konttoriAlso, ukmp works pretty well with it22:51
qwerty12_N800och, a proper doom control :o22:52
konttoriIt has two configurations: portrait and landscape. The landscape is really for gaming and the portrait is for general use22:52
konttoriIt also is really nice for the bomberman.22:52
konttoributton 1 is space and button 2 is enter (in gaming mode).22:53
konttoriAnyway, I'll try to get it user editable in the nearish future.22:53
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konttoriTomorrow we have Vappu in finland, which translates to mandatory 2 day drunkness and 3rd to recover period.22:54
qwerty12_N800man, i need to buy a wii controller. not a wii itself though.22:54
qwerty12_N800konttori, knock yourself out ;P22:54
konttoriSure will!22:55
konttoriAnyway, I'll try to work on the accelerometer stuff a bit on the weekend22:55
konttoriLean the mote to strafe would rock.22:55
konttorianyway, ImMelody , were you able to try it out?22:56
konttoriIf anyone else has the time, I would appreciate feedback.22:56
konttoriIf it seems good enough for now, I'll then post it to internettablettalk22:57
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ImMelodygrabbing now, give me a sec for it to install23:02
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qwerty12_N800konttori, common sense says to have bluetooth on but  if you don't before running, it crashes :/23:09
qwerty12_N800make it run dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:discoverable ?23:09
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ImMelodyI'm having trouble getting the wiimote to do anything after one or two commands23:09
konttoriHmm... So, does the mote still have lights on?23:10
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ImMelodyand moving it does bring the light back up, but doesn't do much action23:10
konttoriWell, click on the portrait mode.23:10
konttoripress A to see if it still works.23:11
konttoriNow, I've been testing this only on diablo, so there may be some differences in teh BT stack.23:11
qwerty12_N800gimme bluez debs :p23:11
konttorithanks qwerty12_N800 . I'll check that dbus message23:11
konttori;) You'll get those sooner or later.23:12
qwerty12_N800konttori, np :), i copied it from switchonbt :p. if bluetooth is  already on, it does nothing :)23:12
ImMelodyI got it to bring up the home screen, but can't replicate it23:13
ImMelodyin either landscape or portrait mode23:13
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konttoriPressing B+any button brings alt action.23:13
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konttoriSo, you probably pressed it and some other key at the same time. Lemme see the code which you pressed23:14
ImMelodynot getting anything happening23:14
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ImMelodyso I killed it?23:16
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konttoriqwerty12_N800: So, do I basically run that string as command line executable23:17
qwerty12_N800yes, i did it in xterm23:17 it's working :D23:17
qwerty12_N800not sure how in python but whatever exec method to run external progs is used should work :)23:18
ImMelodyexcept... I got it working and closed out the program, lol23:18
ImMelodyuh-oh.. I crashed it :o23:19
lopzhow view colors in xterm ?23:21
qwerty12_N800you can also use dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:connectable if you want the n8*0 to be hidden23:21
konttoriqwerty12_N800: Worked23:21
qwerty12_N800cool :)23:21
konttoriI'm now building a new deb.23:21
konttoriSame link, but new deb23:22
konttoriImMelody: When you close the app, you need to then once click on the wiimote to severe the connection23:23
konttoriI wasn't able to figure out a nice way to interrupt the listener thread.23:24
konttoriI'll try to work on that later on.23:24
konttorithere is a kThread available, but I'd rather do it the nice way if possible23:24
konttorikThread stands for killable Thread23:24
ImMelodyhrm..what happens if your wii is on when you try to run this app?23:25
qwerty12_N800i think i need one. my browser is hung. my cpu is really high :/23:25
qwerty12_N800kthread that is23:25
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konttoriImMelody: Nothing.23:27
konttoriIt should work just fine.23:28
* konttori posted wiicontrol to internettablettalk:
woodwizzleI'm setting up my device again before I flash it to my internal card. It says e2fsprogs is required and I'm about to apt-get it. Is ext2 the filesystem I really want to run though? would ext3 be better? Or should I be worried about the journaling taking up more space and write cycles?23:30
konttoriqwerty12_N800: I stand corrected23:31
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qwerty12_N800konttori, how come? something wrong?23:31
konttoriAh... sorry. I though you corrected that kthread is with lower case, not capital t23:32
ImMelodythank GAWD! 5 min for maemo sdk download23:32
konttoriwoodwizzle: I would take ext3.23:33
konttoriit's not too bad to have the journaling. even the default fs is journaled23:33
qwerty12_N800konttori, hehe it's 9:35 PM and I'm typing off an n800. night & n800 osk = bad typing. actually it's +2 in Finland right?23:33
konttoriit's 25 min to midninght23:34
konttoriso, yeah, +223:34
* konttori is about to retire to bed.23:34
ImMelodyEuropeans :P23:34
qwerty12_N800In london, we set the time :p23:34
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lcukdont you dont23:35
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konttoriin greenwitch there is actually the timeline and you can hop to either side of it. Nice for pictures23:35
lcuksome little village nearby does, you are just trying to be a gloryseeker :P23:35
ImMelodyIn the US, we think we're the center of the universe. (j/k partially)23:35
qwerty12_N800konttori, I've been there :)23:36
Mouseylcuk: yea, i'm underwhelme23:37
qwerty12_N800lcuk, greenwich a village? :p23:37
woodwizzleknottori doesn't ext2 and even more so ext3 take up a lot more write cycles than vfat?23:37
Mouseyis there a way to sync the palm calandar with some calandar app in maemo (besides GarneVM's)23:38
woodwizzlekonttori: woops spelled your name wrong =)23:38
konttorithey eat a bit, but not so much. And they are more reliable23:38
konttoriSo, I would pick ext3. But then again, your mileage may vary23:38
* Mousey picked ext223:38
lcuk:O qwerty12_N800 i take it back23:38
lcukwikipedia says its a district in london23:39
qwerty12_N800northern presumptions :p. just because all it is is villages in the north :p23:39
* lcuk begs forgiveness23:40
konttoriMost of london is really a network of villages that have grown to merge with each other.23:40
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ImMelodyCan someone give me the technical definition of a village?23:41
lcuki baby town23:41
Mouseymight ask in #freeciv23:41
qwerty12_N800hehe it's a little joke me and lcuk got because I'm from the north and I live in the south :p23:42
ImMelodyWell, are we talking about a population of 50? 100? 1000? I just want to make sure I have a clear picture in my head ;)23:42
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zakkkmhi .. i have 2008HE installed on my nokia 770 but its awfully slow. would it be alot smoother/faster to run 2007HE?23:43
zakkkmlike go back a "year" ?23:43
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lcukzakkkm, i would expect at least a little, 2008 is very new and most issues aren't ironed out yet23:43
Veggenhmm. microB has started crashing way too often.23:44
adam__How big of a difference does it make to use ext 2 compared to ext3 in terms of the write cycles?23:44
lcukat this point you haven't got anything to lose by going to '07, and a lot to gain.  the '08 you have now is rough and '07 has age on its side23:44
qwerty12_N800Veggen, join the club :/23:44
adam__like how long would one last compared to the other23:44
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Cptnodegardmine just uses 2 hours to start23:45
Veggenand the rss reader too.23:45
* qwerty12_N800 needs to try fennec23:45
Cptnodegardrss reader lives its own life23:45
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qwerty12_N800rss reader is stable for me but I only have 5 feeds and few images23:46
zakkkmso i should go back to 2007HE ?23:46
zakkkmlcuk : i heard skype will work fine on it? is that true. i got it installed on the 2008HE but when i call i got a audio codec error23:46
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zakkkmwill canola on my nokia 770 work on 2007HE?23:46
lcukzakkkm, i dont know, i only have an 81023:47
zakkkmbut you think it will help alot .. cause i like 2008HE UI but some stuff is way too slow23:47
zakkkmlike compared to 2006 .. but i dont wanna go back to that23:47
lcuki i think it can't hurt to try and people have spent a lot longer trying to get 2007 working really well23:47
qwerty12_N800I have a odd impulse to downgrade my n800 to try out canola 1.23:48
zakkkmhaha thats smart. adding N800 to your name so people know what you have hah :D23:48
lcukno, its what hes ON23:48
zakkkmyour on irc on the n800 now?23:48
zakkkmwhat app?23:49
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qwerty12_N800but it's for os200823:49
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qwerty12_N800but maemo hackers have os2006 build23:49
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qwerty12_N800you can also try irssi, weechat or bitchx. i compiled them in 2008sdk but they are console apps so :/23:50
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qwerty12_N800high 5 :p23:51
zakkkmabout to install linux on my desktop once again so i can ssh to it23:51
zakkkmhow do you do irssi without alt key?23:51
zakkkmhey sorry i left23:51
lcukzakkkm, i use ssh from windows23:51
zakkkmssh is just commandline isnt it?23:51
zakkkmtheres rdesktop on the nokia app manager?23:52
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zakkkmwould that be better?23:52
lcukyer, but coupled with winscp its nice23:52
lcukfile copying (over ssh i believe)23:52
zakkkmi mean like the remote'd pc.. is just command line view isnt it?23:52
qwerty12_N800zakkkm, you can get irssi to run directly off tablet.23:52
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lcukzakkm, yer but ive got putty for that23:52
zakkkmqwerty12 i use it for my actual pc alot .. but on 2006 edition ITOS .. it gave me a screen error23:53
zakkkmand i couldnt find in app manager for 2008HE23:53
zakkkmi added maemo extras23:53
zakkkmlcuk would rdesktop run fine?23:53
lcuki believe there is an app for it, but on 770 im not sure of the grunt23:54
zakkkmrdesktop IPHERE23:54
zakkkmyeah thats what i mean23:54
zakkkmi saw it in app manager23:54
zakkkmbut how well would it run?23:54
AStormdoes someone here have a package with sshfs or lftp?23:54
zakkkmgot a amd athlon x2 4400+ , 4gb ram downstairs?23:54
zakkkmthat i can rdesktop ?23:54
qwerty12_N800zakkkm, ah. there's an svn build of it by me on itt and also the latest stable build is available on itt23:54
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zakkkmqwerty12 mind sending me the deb?23:54
zakkkmwell linking me?23:55
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qwerty12_N800AStorm, check solmumaha/ukki's fuse port on itt23:55
AStormyap, I'm too lazy to set up NFS23:55
AStormqwerty12_N800: yay23:55
qwerty12_N800zakkkm, I would do but my cpu is high :/23:55
zakkkmqwerty: where would i check for that23:55
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AStormwhat about lftp though? a good ftp/sftp/scp client would be great23:55
zakkkmoh right your on your tablet.. sorry23:55
KotCzarnysshfs ftw!23:56
* KotCzarny collapses again23:56
zakkkmis it possible to use 2008 skins in 2007HE? :D23:56
zakkkmi love the transparency part of 2008HE home :(23:56
qwerty12_N800AStorm, no idea, tried gronmayer? btw, did that rtorrent work? I ran it fine but didn't dl anything with it.23:56
* lcuk passes kot the tissues23:57
zakkkmand the app starting omg!!?!?! i dont wanna go back23:57
zakkkmoh right23:57
KotCzarnyyeah.. my nose is runny as of today23:57
zakkkmi should try that23:57
qwerty12_N800zakkkm, I  want to do opposite :p23:57
AStormit's some  tar.gz23:57
zakkkmupgrade to 2009 ?23:57
AStormhaven't checked yet23:57
zakkkmyou want 2007?23:57
qwerty12_N800AStorm, untar it for debs and install with dpkg23:57
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zakkkmis there a webkit brwoser for 2008HE ?23:57
zakkkmor 2007HE?23:58
AStormzakkkm: someone was working on it23:58
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AStormnot even for real 200823:58
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zakkkmit differs for packages?23:59
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