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| qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone know if latest Chrony lets you use ntp servers by name? I'm looking at version that needs ip address, if latest can use website address, I'll compile that. | 00:01 |
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| KotCzarny | huh | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | seems like a oneliner patch | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
| plb | hm there should be an option for canola most viewed for today/week/all time | 00:02 |
| plb | unless I'm missing it somewhere? | 00:02 |
| plb | for youtube | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | plb: canola specific questions should go to #canola i think | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | they live on brazilian time though | 00:02 |
| plb | ah didn't know they had a channel | 00:03 |
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| KotCzarny | heh, something for pupnik, and maybe other geeks too: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3009 | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:06 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 tries out chrony on my n800. I see newer builds are available so i'll probably end up compiling after I fix sbox. | 00:12 | |
| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: can't you just use ntpdate? | 00:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I currently use rdate but I like the idea of a daemon for the times I forget. | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | cron | 00:15 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Not a bad idea but I don't think my cron works, it never calls updatdb even though it's set to. | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | maybe path is wrong? | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | You need absolute path in crontab? :) | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | >.<. Like sudoers, then. I remember the time I messed it up... | 00:19 |
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| KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2974 | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I saw that on digg lol | 00:22 |
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| AStorm | free lulz, yeah! | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | if qwerty12 had/modded a car: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2956 | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, is omweather upd8 out for anyone else? | 00:29 |
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| adam_ | is there a default user pass. for the terminal? | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:32 |
| adam_ | so why does sudo ask for a password? | 00:32 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe you try to do something not allowed | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:32 |
| adam_ | im trying to apt get python2.5 | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sudo apt-get install xxx | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | sudo: enter card no | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | heh, have you tried my hint? | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | qwert12: lol, sudo paid with credit card? | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | now that's somthing very possible in the future ;) | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | if only... :p | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | adam_: install easyroot or becomeroot and do sudo gainroot | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | for people who share comp with family: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2925 | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:37 |
| plb | hm vagalume is <3 | 00:39 |
| plb | should be in the repos | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N800 | you can also use last.fm via canola plug-in | 00:39 |
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| plb | ya but I don't like how canola has to be full screen | 00:42 |
| * plb hates fullscreen | 00:42 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly most of the apps go (nearly)fullscreen on maemo | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | you can try xmms | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:42 |
| plb | lol | 00:43 |
| plb | xmms is the turd that wouldn't flush lol | 00:43 |
| plb | thing will never die | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:43 |
| AStorm | damnit | 00:44 |
| plb | I liked it years ago | 00:44 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, but at least does what i want it to | 00:44 |
| AStorm | I need to get debug out of the device | 00:44 |
| plb | but now...meh | 00:44 |
| AStorm | but I don't have serial port here or soldered to the board | 00:44 |
| AStorm | any solution? | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | writing to mmc ? | 00:44 |
| AStorm | netconsole doesn't work on gadget USB it seems | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | and recovering via usb ? | 00:44 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: hmm, it doesn't boot that far I think | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | can't you printk to block device? | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | or something? | 00:45 |
| AStorm | maybe I can | 00:45 |
| AStorm | but do I have any to print to? ; | 00:45 |
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| KotCzarny | mmcblock0/1 ? | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
| AStorm | yeah sure | 00:45 |
| AStorm | and overwrite everything? | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | you haven't received free 128mb card? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | with the device | 00:46 |
| AStorm | ... | 00:46 |
| AStorm | N810 | 00:46 |
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| AStorm | but, I do have a spare card, wait | 00:46 |
| AStorm | in a while | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, is repo.maemo.org down? | 00:46 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: what's that option called btw? | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: i have mirrored whole repository | 00:47 |
| plb | n810 is so much better than the ipod touch which is what I sold to get the money for the n810 ;] | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: just guessing, never tried | 00:47 |
| plb | can't do shit on the ipod touch | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: Good plan | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | plb: well, you can shit on ipod touch | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| plb | lol | 00:47 |
| plb | well it's good for web browsing I guess | 00:47 |
| plb | and youtube | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | at 320x240 ? | 00:47 |
| plb | youtube player is pretty good | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | you are kidding | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
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| plb | movement is fluid too | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | even 800x480 seems cramped | 00:48 |
| plb | everything is just so restrictive on it | 00:48 |
| plb | like everything apple i spose though heh | 00:48 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:49 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: ttyMTD<whichnumber>? | 00:49 |
| AStorm | ah, wait | 00:50 |
| AStorm | MMC is not MTD, is it? | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nope | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | is there an emulation driver ? | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | be careful with mtd, one guy killed bootloader writing to /dev/mtd<something> by accident. | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | heh, not fun | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:52 |
| plb | hm where can I find a clock for the panel? | 00:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bye | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | plb: look for statusbar clock applet | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | i love it | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | bye qwerty | 00:53 |
| plb | thanks | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | (if I disconnect suddenly, my sis might off router) | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 00:53 |
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| plb | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ | 00:53 |
| plb | ? | 00:53 |
| plb | that | 00:53 |
| plb | it will work with os2008? | 00:53 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: I can reflash the bootloader from original image I think | 00:55 |
| AStorm | but I wouldn't be able to get at the data | 00:55 |
| AStorm | I could probably write to initfs partition safely | 00:55 |
| AStorm | and tack some light initfs to a working kernel | 00:56 |
| AStorm | to recover the data | 00:56 |
| AStorm | that was MTD4, right? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | mtd4 is rootfs, isn't it? | 00:59 |
| plb | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014&highlight=statusbar+clock&page=47 | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | mtd1 - nolo, mtd2 - kernel, mtd3 - initfs | 00:59 |
| plb | which clocks are they using in those screenshots? anyone know | 00:59 |
| AStorm | ahha, ok | 01:00 |
| plb | is that the statusbar clock applet? | 01:00 |
| AStorm | now, that would be a nasty booboo ;) | 01:00 |
| AStorm | *would've been | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | plb: yes | 01:00 |
| plb | it says it's for os2007 though...it will work with 08? | 01:00 |
| AStorm | plb: there is a version for OS2008 | 01:01 |
| AStorm | in garage | 01:01 |
| plb | ah | 01:01 |
| AStorm | works nicely | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | essential for me | 01:01 |
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| AStorm | yep, although I'd like a fullscreen clock screensaver | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | no you don't | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:02 |
| AStorm | high contrast, very low screen brightness | 01:02 |
| AStorm | as in =0 | 01:03 |
| AStorm | white on black | 01:03 |
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| AStorm | ok, it seems that ttyMTD3 write worked, let's read it | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | i can give you ncurses based clock, so you can run it in some *term :) | 01:06 |
| AStorm | I wanted a screensaver ;) | 01:08 |
| AStorm | not a runnable clock | 01:08 |
| AStorm | there is one like that already ;) | 01:08 |
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| AStorm | damnit, have to add a script to display that ttyMTD ;P | 01:09 |
| plb | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/ | 01:09 |
| plb | this is the one for os2008 you guys are talking about? | 01:09 |
| AStorm | yes | 01:10 |
| plb | hm seems to only disply the minutes and AM/PM | 01:10 |
| plb | not the hour | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | look into the configuration | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | and disable some applets | 01:11 |
| plb | ah nm | 01:11 |
| plb | ya | 01:11 |
| AStorm | plb: indeed, check Panel config | 01:11 |
| plb | found it lol | 01:11 |
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| plb | ah that's better | 01:14 |
| plb | bomberman heh I used to play that ...;] how's the maemo port? | 01:15 |
| AStorm | damnit | 01:18 |
| AStorm | that mtd support hasn't written anything | 01:18 |
| AStorm | damnIT ;) | 01:20 |
| AStorm | ok, time for plan B | 01:20 |
| AStorm | or even | 01:21 |
| AStorm | damNIT | 01:21 |
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| AStorm | lets see how well will git cope with that merge ;) | 01:31 |
| AStorm | not that badly | 01:33 |
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| AStorm | although it's still 152 files to check | 01:34 |
| AStorm | mhm, it's supposed to be vs 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 | 01:36 |
| AStorm | the patch | 01:36 |
| plb | numptyphysics is indeed awesome ;] | 01:37 |
| AStorm | I mean, the patch should be 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 with some major hack | 01:39 |
| AStorm | 2.6.21-rc3-omap1 duh | 01:39 |
| AStorm | I'll better do step-by-step merge instead of 2.6.25 in one go ;P | 01:43 |
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| AStorm | argh | 01:49 |
| AStorm | I sense porting to clockevents | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | at least dynticks is in .21 already :) | 01:49 |
| AStorm | but not clockevents, and that's a fairly major port | 01:50 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. have you managed to run that p54 driver? | 01:51 |
| AStorm | no, it is impossible, there is an unfinished devel patch | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 01:52 |
| AStorm | well, omap1 clockevent port was very easy, so I hope omap2 will be similarly easy to port :> | 01:53 |
| AStorm | so far, the rejects vs 2.6.22 are trivial | 01:59 |
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| lcuk2 | hmm | 02:01 |
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| AStorm | yes, apart from (fairly trivial) clockevents port, there isn't much to fix | 02:10 |
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| kkrusty | I just searched the backlogs for "kismet". Apparently theres at least one request per day for kismet for 2008 :D | 02:18 |
| kkrusty | by the way I just got a n800 a few days ago. For about 150 pounds | 02:21 |
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| AStorm | pounds of what? ;) | 02:22 |
| AStorm | should've bought in the US | 02:22 |
| AStorm | and get it cheaper | 02:22 |
| Proteous | 150 pounds of feathers | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | of fathers | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | fat hers | 02:23 |
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| AStorm | hmm, the port will be complicated by moves in mmc | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bad joke | 02:24 |
| AStorm | ;) | 02:24 |
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| AStorm | I'll have to merge that part by hand ;P | 02:25 |
| AStorm | for some reason, git didn't detect the move | 02:25 |
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| Atarii | technology sucks | 02:53 |
| Atarii | just spend a couple of hours reflashing and reinstalling apps to my Nokia, to "fix" a problem with it not displaying webpages | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | yes, sucks energy | 02:53 |
| Atarii | only to find that it was my router that needed restarting grrrr | 02:53 |
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| KotCzarny | hehe | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | then it's not technology but diagnosis | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:54 |
| Atarii | aah maybe | 02:54 |
| AStorm | Atarii: I sense a PEBKAC | 02:56 |
| AStorm | and sucky router | 02:56 |
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| Atarii | PEBKAC? | 02:56 |
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| Atarii | i agree its a sucky router, some brainbox decided to get rid of the nice linksys we had :S | 02:58 |
| AStorm | ~acronym PEBKAC | 02:58 |
| AStorm | infobot: grrrr! | 02:58 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: does it have such a plugin? | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 02:59 |
| Atarii | PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" | 02:59 |
| Atarii | aha | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's not mine | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | atarii: we know that | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:59 |
| Atarii | i didnt | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | now you do too | 02:59 |
| Atarii | :p | 02:59 |
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| KotCzarny | i should take a shower | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | i hate being ill | 03:01 |
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| plb | how can you edit the menu? I uninstalled something but it left the menu entry | 03:19 |
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| Atarii | control panel > panels | 03:20 |
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| Atarii | then click "organise" | 03:21 |
| plb | hm | 03:21 |
| plb | says unable to remove applications | 03:21 |
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| plb | installed and uninstalled again and it's still there | 03:29 |
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| hrw | morning | 03:33 |
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| AStorm | night? ;) | 03:33 |
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| hrw | ~morning | 03:34 |
| infobot | Good morning! | 03:34 |
| AStorm | not here | 03:34 |
| hrw | lack ibot | 03:34 |
| hrw | ~ugt | 03:34 |
| infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 03:34 |
| hrw | that was what I mean ;) | 03:34 |
| AStorm | blah blah blah ;P | 03:34 |
| hrw | AStorm: 02:42 here too | 03:34 |
| AStorm | ;) | 03:34 |
| AStorm | hrw: have you tried to build 2.6.xx-omap from linux-omap tree? | 03:35 |
| hrw | or rather 02:34 as this server has wrong date a bit | 03:35 |
| AStorm | doesn't seem to work with n810 | 03:35 |
| AStorm | at all | 03:35 |
| hrw | AStorm: not for n8x0 | 03:35 |
| hrw | AStorm: I lack time for such playing - daughter takes most of free time | 03:35 |
| AStorm | mhm | 03:35 |
| AStorm | they know how to do that ;P | 03:35 |
| hrw | AStorm: I did not even had a time to check your keymap ;( | 03:35 |
| hrw | she is 2m8d old | 03:36 |
| AStorm | and counting | 03:36 |
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| hrw | AStorm: you know how to get wifi working with non-standard kernel? | 03:36 |
| plb | hm how to become root? | 03:37 |
| AStorm | I managed to get it to build vs 2.6.25 | 03:37 |
| AStorm | plb: ssh, or gainroot/easyroot | 03:37 |
| hrw | or becameroot | 03:37 |
| AStorm | or login through ssh and fix sudo | 03:37 |
| AStorm | yup | 03:37 |
| hrw | 'sudo gainroot' was iirc working out-of-box on my n810 | 03:37 |
| AStorm | mhm | 03:38 |
| plb | or is there a way to delete this bloody menu entry...it won't let me delete anything from panel in control panel | 03:38 |
| hrw | AStorm: 2.6.25-omap1 or 2.6.25? | 03:38 |
| AStorm | -omap1 | 03:38 |
| AStorm | it doesn't matter anyway | 03:38 |
| hrw | AStorm: does it boot at all? | 03:38 |
| AStorm | 2.6.25-omap1? nopes | 03:38 |
| AStorm | I'm working now on that nokia patch | 03:38 |
| AStorm | forward porting it | 03:39 |
| AStorm | now at 2.6.22 and 66% into it | 03:39 |
| hrw | good luck | 03:39 |
| hrw | AStorm: do you have serial jig? | 03:39 |
| AStorm | I'd love to, but alas, no | 03:39 |
| hrw | then good luck^2 | 03:39 |
| AStorm | and need to buy usb-serial dongle too | 03:39 |
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| AStorm | the kernel crashes before it can write to MTD, so serial wouldn't help much ;P | 03:39 |
| hrw | my desktop has 3 serials ;D | 03:40 |
| hrw | AStorm: serial cable is musthave when it comes to kernel hacking | 03:40 |
| AStorm | heh | 03:40 |
| AStorm | I know | 03:40 |
| AStorm | esp. when netconsole doesn't work | 03:40 |
| hrw | netconsole.... | 03:40 |
| AStorm | the crash is before fb is set up | 03:40 |
| hrw | printascii hack is nice lowlevel | 03:41 |
| AStorm | or it is just fb not working | 03:41 |
| AStorm | hrw: what does it do? :> | 03:41 |
| adam_ | what would one need to use a wii mote to play roms? | 03:41 |
| adam_ | on the n800 | 03:41 |
| hrw | prints before printk is able to print | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 03:41 |
| AStorm | hrw: ah, that one | 03:41 |
| plb | hm there is sudo though...is there a default pw? | 03:42 |
| AStorm | it won't work on N | 03:42 |
| AStorm | plb: no | 03:42 |
| hrw | last time I used it when was working on booting qemu/arm with armv6 kernel | 03:42 |
| AStorm | hrw: btw, the kernel seems to boot on your emulator | 03:42 |
| AStorm | but I can't test fb | 03:42 |
| plb | argh just want to delete this bomberman.desktop file | 03:42 |
| hrw | it is not mine emulator | 03:42 |
| plb | to get it out my damn menu | 03:43 |
| AStorm | ah, well, your patched emulator from poky linux | 03:43 |
| hrw | plb: cd /usr/share/applications and remove it | 03:43 |
| plb | says permission denied | 03:43 |
| hrw | plb: became root then | 03:43 |
| AStorm | plb: sudo gainroot first ;> | 03:43 |
| hrw | AStorm: do you want dmesg log from real hardware? | 03:44 |
| AStorm | I have one, thanks. | 03:44 |
| hrw | AStorm: I know someone who has n8x0 with serial attached... | 03:44 |
| plb | enable rd mode if you want to break your device? | 03:44 |
| plb | that's what it says | 03:44 |
| AStorm | hrw: ah, yes | 03:44 |
| AStorm | then very much | 03:44 |
| AStorm | build linux-omap, latest :> | 03:44 |
| hrw | AStorm: mail me kernel image | 03:44 |
| AStorm | ok, #0s | 03:44 |
| AStorm | 30s | 03:45 |
| AStorm | current linux-omap needed a tiny patch :) | 03:45 |
| hrw | no rush - I will contact him during day not now | 03:45 |
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| KotCzarny | re | 03:46 |
| hrw | elo KotCzarny | 03:46 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: shower makes miracles? | 03:46 |
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| KotCzarny | at least i don't stink so badly anymore | 03:47 |
| AstralSt | argh | 03:47 |
| AstralSt | bad click, bad! | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | astorm went into irc-cycle loop? | 03:47 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: sweating a lot? | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: yeah.. | 03:47 |
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| hrw | that suxx in illness | 03:47 |
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| AStorm | wtf? | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | here we go again? | 03:48 |
| AStorm | there is XChat alive somewhere? | 03:48 |
| hrw | AStorm: kill -9 -1 | 03:48 |
| hrw | ;D | 03:48 |
| AStorm | it disappeared... | 03:48 |
| AStorm | hrw: har har ;P | 03:48 |
| AStorm | I prefer telinit S | 03:48 |
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| hrw | I do not like to use 80x24 on 22" wide LCD | 03:48 |
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| hrw | ~curse nvidia btw | 03:49 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nvidia btw ! | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | and again | 03:49 |
| AStorm | nah | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: go unregistered for a while? | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 03:49 |
| AStorm | I have to change a certain binding | 03:49 |
| KotCzarny | s/hrw/astorm | 03:49 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: naaah | 03:49 |
| AStorm | that was xchat having its window killed | 03:49 |
| AStorm | stupid piece of s....oftware | 03:49 |
| hrw | ;) | 03:50 |
| KotCzarny | sss..sss..ssss...oftware | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2744 | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | yummy | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | i bet there are whole ecosystems in people's keyboards | 03:52 |
| AStorm | hrw: where do you want the zImage sent to? | 03:52 |
| AStorm | do you want a tiny /bin/busybox initramfs in too? | 03:53 |
| hrw | AStorm: does it boot into initramfs in qemu? | 03:53 |
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| AStorm | let me check :-) | 03:54 |
| AStorm | fail, segfault? | 03:55 |
| AStorm | I'll check if it can run 2.6.21-nokia with initramfs | 03:56 |
| AStorm | nah, 2.6.21-nokia booted just fine into initramfs | 03:58 |
| plb | easyroot worked | 03:58 |
| plb | yay | 03:58 |
| plb | gone | 03:58 |
| AStorm | hrw: keyboard didn't work, but that's no biggy | 03:58 |
| AStorm | let's see that 2.6.25-foo | 03:59 |
| hrw | AStorm: basically the rule is: you send me kernel, I send you booting log from it. | 03:59 |
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| AStorm | make it nosegfault | 03:59 |
| AStorm | I remember I did something to make it not segfault | 03:59 |
| hrw | if friend agree to boot it ;) | 03:59 |
| AStorm | mhm | 03:59 |
| AStorm | first, I'll get it running in the emulator | 04:00 |
| hrw | how helpful emu is? | 04:00 |
| AStorm | btw, how do I get serial console output from that qemu? | 04:00 |
| AStorm | hrw: that my own built 2.6.21-nokia works in it | 04:00 |
| hrw | add "-serial stdio" to command and 'console=ttyS0' to cmdline | 04:00 |
| hrw | s/cmdline/kernel cmdline | 04:00 |
| AStorm | mhm | 04:01 |
| AStorm | hm, segfaults before serial is inited it seems ;P | 04:02 |
| hrw | enabled printascii? | 04:02 |
| AStorm | where? | 04:02 |
| hrw | CONFIG_DEBUG_LL iirc | 04:03 |
| AStorm | mhm | 04:03 |
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| AStorm | now I have that in | 04:04 |
| hrw | or google for printascii patch | 04:04 |
| AStorm | still nothing | 04:04 |
| hrw | heh.. I hate to see when cores in cpu are wasted... | 04:04 |
| AStorm | I have DEBUG_LL in, but still it only crashes after some omap warnings | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | like dsp in omap2 ? | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:05 |
| hrw | I have over year old Poky build in progress and it wastes cpu time | 04:05 |
| hrw | compared to newer versions | 04:05 |
| AStorm | :> | 04:06 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: I would like to play with omap3 one day | 04:06 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: nah | 04:06 |
| AStorm | a lot "bad register" | 04:06 |
| AStorm | and omap_badwidth_read32 | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | your dream will come true | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | eventually | 04:06 |
| AStorm | a lot of these | 04:07 |
| AStorm | omap_badwidth_read32: 32-bit register 0x480000e5 | 04:07 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: current Poky can be configured to make use of any amount of cpu cores. I would like to test it one day on 64+ cpu monsters | 04:07 |
| AStorm | hehe | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: but only generic cores, not specialized ? | 04:07 |
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| hrw | cpu cores not dsp ones (unless you can run gcc on dsp ;) | 04:09 |
| AStorm | ok, got *something* to show | 04:11 |
| AStorm | actually, Linux logo | 04:11 |
| hrw | on core2quad q6600 I am able to build poky-image-sato in ~1.5h and it has x11 with gtk based environment with webkit browser | 04:11 |
| hrw | AStorm: progress ;) | 04:11 |
| AStorm | so, it works now | 04:11 |
| AStorm | disabled n810 support though | 04:11 |
| hrw | .25? | 04:11 |
| AStorm | and a few unrelated things | 04:11 |
| hrw | n810 <> n800 is other TS, keyboard and something more? | 04:12 |
| AStorm | onenand_write: unknown OneNAND boot command 0 and it shuts down? | 04:12 |
| hrw | AStorm: you use maemo or poky rootfs? | 04:12 |
| AStorm | ... | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: gps | 04:13 |
| AStorm | it's no rootfs | 04:13 |
| AStorm | it should boot into initramfs | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | maybe something interrupts boot process | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | some driver | 04:13 |
| AStorm | btw, I'm getting no, read, none serial output in the qemu | 04:14 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: is not gps connected to serial? | 04:14 |
| AStorm | it is serial over SPI | 04:14 |
| AStorm | ;) | 04:14 |
| hrw | AStorm: -append "console=ttyS0 debug" -serial stdio to qemu? | 04:14 |
| hrw | that so called gps... | 04:15 |
| AStorm | tried, zilcho | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | afair serial on n8x0 was ttyS3 | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | or 2 | 04:15 |
| AStorm | okwell | 04:15 |
| AStorm | fb works | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | i may be wrong though | 04:15 |
| hrw | after playing with navigation software on n810 I am more and more decided to buy wince based navigation device | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: on device or emu? | 04:16 |
| AStorm | on emu | 04:16 |
| AStorm | I'll try the same kernel on the device now | 04:16 |
| hrw | maemo mapper lack offline routing, navicore lack sensible maps and both are not written for touchscreen devices | 04:16 |
| AStorm | that would be quite a milestone if it worked | 04:16 |
| hrw | AStorm: tag kernel in git | 04:16 |
| AStorm | sure | 04:16 |
| hrw | git tag "after-long-fight-booted-to-fb-and-crashed" | 04:17 |
| AStorm | damnit | 04:17 |
| AStorm | slightly too big | 04:17 |
| AStorm | have to shave off some 50 KB | 04:17 |
| hrw | 2MB limit... | 04:18 |
| AStorm | ya | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | can this layout be changed? | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | mtd1/2/3/4 ? | 04:18 |
| hrw | it is better then on Zaurus devices where it was 1.2MB or even 1M on collie | 04:18 |
| AStorm | ;> | 04:18 |
| AStorm | that was, like, ouch | 04:18 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: it is rather hardcoded in nolo | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:19 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: standard procedure in small bootloaders | 04:19 |
| KotCzarny | nolo does the magic initialization or just loads 'next part' ? | 04:19 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 04:19 |
| AStorm | it booted in qemu, but not on the device | 04:19 |
| AStorm | I'll better enable n810 support | 04:19 |
| hrw | AStorm: qemu is not exact emulation - it does not use nolo iirc | 04:19 |
| AStorm | etc. | 04:20 |
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| AStorm | no luck | 04:21 |
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| AStorm | possibly something n810 related | 04:21 |
| hrw | ok, time to turn daughter to back and return to sleep | 04:21 |
| AStorm | I'd actually like Nokia to forward-port their changes | 04:23 |
| AStorm | is it *that* hard? | 04:23 |
| hrw | children makes funny moves sometimes ;) | 04:24 |
| AStorm | hmm, OneNAND driver is b*ching in qemu, btw | 04:24 |
| AStorm | if that doesn't work correctly, the kernel won't boot I guess P | 04:24 |
| hrw | AStorm: iirc they merge their kernel changes | 04:25 |
| AStorm | they do bad at it | 04:25 |
| AStorm | so 2.6.21-nokia works, while 2.6.25-omap1 doesn't ;P | 04:25 |
| AStorm | (or any earlier) | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2678 | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | ehehehe | 04:25 |
| AStorm | whoops ;) | 04:26 |
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| hrw | shit. will have more work during day ;( | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:30 |
| hrw | ~curse internal servers | 04:30 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, internal servers ! | 04:30 |
| AStorm | infobot: learn plural, will you? | 04:31 |
| hrw | AStorm: and then let it learn Polish plurals | 04:33 |
| AStorm | English would suffice | 04:34 |
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| KotCzarny | ehehe | 04:35 |
| hrw | I remember some time ago discussion about "1 tasks remainded" in one application | 04:35 |
| hrw | developer wanted to have it changed to "1 task remainded" with simple "if amount == 1 then 'task' else 'tasks'" | 04:36 |
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| hrw | then I told him how it looks in Polish and he got scared enough to check gettext support ;) | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, localizations suck | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | english is nice enough for guis | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | and messages | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | nearly no declination :) | 04:41 |
| hrw | indeed | 04:41 |
| hrw | btw - odwocic na plecy to 'turn to back' czy 'turn to backs' bo nigdy nie pamietam | 04:41 |
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| KotCzarny | turn on the back | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 04:43 |
| lopz | wow, very nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAi531YZ9L0 | 04:43 |
| hrw | gracias | 04:43 |
| hrw | cholerne a/an/the | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | ja po prostu wrzucam gdzie mi sie wyda ze ok | 04:43 |
| hrw | curse of english ;D | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | i sie nie przejmuje | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 04:44 |
| lopz | hrw, you speak spanish ? | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | i love those blurry, out of ofcus flash vids | 04:44 |
| hrw | lopz: nope | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | *focus | 04:44 |
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| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-makes-funny-moves/ | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | wrong | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | children is plural | 04:52 |
| hrw | ? | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | makes is only for singular 3rd person | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:52 |
| hrw | right | 04:52 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-make-funny-moves/ then | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | and you don't move to the back, but turn | 04:53 |
| hrw | fetching 60M archives from svn suxx | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | move to the back could be possible in car etc | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | or if you were baking him/her | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:54 |
| hrw | ;D | 04:54 |
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| hrw | fixed | 04:55 |
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| lopz | pff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vhwMzEPJc&feature=related | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, vnc fun | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | nice to trick 'doze users | 04:57 |
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| hrw | http://ok.research.nokia.com/pipermail/qemu-arm/2008-April/000060.html - someone has access? | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | No such domain: ok.research.nokia.com | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | i think my root pdnsd doesn't like some domains | 04:59 |
| hrw | and I got it as referrer on my blog | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | may be internal domain | 05:00 |
| hrw | yep | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | because it doesn't have anything other than mail records | 05:00 |
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| hrw | I need to add few rules to .htaccess here... | 05:01 |
| hrw | to block others from use of pictures on my sites | 05:01 |
| hrw | ~curse someone on ITT | 05:01 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, someone on ITT ! | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | don't block | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | redirect | 05:02 |
| hrw | ~curse bofh | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:02 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bofh ! | 05:02 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: to hardcore goatse picture like my friend did? | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | nope, to your main page | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 05:02 |
| hrw | it does not work good for <img> | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | well | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | then a png with your site name will be enough | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | *'s | 05:04 |
| hrw | hm. the problem is named feeds... | 05:04 |
| hrw | if you fetch feed from my site then it redirect you to feedburner and then you fetch images. so no referrer is sent | 05:05 |
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| hrw | but I can rename files on server ;D | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | if browser doesn't send referer | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | then.. meh | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:05 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: if you read by google reader... | 05:05 |
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| hrw | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19108 looks a bit worse but I pay for bandwidth | 05:09 |
| hrw | have a nice rest or night/day guys | 05:10 |
| * hrw back to the bed | 05:10 | |
| KotCzarny | go go | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:10 |
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| AStorm | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3012 - buy me one | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | wireless model is better | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | or blink left/right/nod | 05:39 |
| AStorm | actually, that could be useful as an input device for Morse code | 05:41 |
| AStorm | or better yet, Dasher | 05:41 |
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| AStorm | Someone should make dasher more compatible with qwerty keyboard ;P | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | what's that anyway? | 05:44 |
| AStorm | Google, heathen! | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | you know more :> | 05:44 |
| AStorm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasher | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | ahm | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | input method | 05:45 |
| AStorm | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html - have a gif | 05:46 |
| AStorm | The only problem is slight dizzyness after prolonged use ;P | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | heheh | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | not good | 05:46 |
| AStorm | and that it requires attention | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | because it mean real problems | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | *means | 05:47 |
| AStorm | huh? | 05:47 |
| AStorm | well, it's just like sea sickness ;P | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | human body is learning all the time | 05:47 |
| AStorm | you don't move, but the visual input is | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | if you feel dizzyness it means some conflicts | 05:47 |
| AStorm | sure it does | 05:47 |
| AStorm | but then, it's slight | 05:47 |
| AStorm | I'm not prone to sea sickness ;P | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | have you used 8h/day 365days ? | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | *it | 05:48 |
| AStorm | full days, yes | 05:48 |
| AStorm | Nice fun ;) | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | looks like a a game | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:48 |
| AStorm | Even used it for irc for a time, got quite ok, 3.0 speed | 05:48 |
| AStorm | that means, 3 bits per second | 05:49 |
| AStorm | (normalized to english word entropy) | 05:49 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried interfacing it with webcam? | 05:50 |
| AStorm | It'd need a *lot* of coding ;P | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:50 |
| AStorm | or a pointer cap | 05:50 |
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| AStorm | and a lot of coding any way | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | big bulb on the forehead | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | well, led should be ok too | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:51 |
| AStorm | still needs some coding | 05:51 |
| AStorm | the problem with dasher is that you have to look at it ;P | 05:51 |
| AStorm | touch typing doesn't have that problem | 05:51 |
| AStorm | I'd love to combine it with voice synthesis | 05:52 |
| AStorm | (although I don't know any good algorithm for Polish) | 05:52 |
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| KotCzarny | osk could be faster though | 05:54 |
| AStorm | nah, it will be faster than OSK if trained, I think | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | trained osk? | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:55 |
| AStorm | and more accurate than handwriting recognition | 05:55 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yes, definitely | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 05:55 |
| AStorm | faster than thumb writing | 05:55 |
| AStorm | it's faster than hw keyboard too, in my case | 05:56 |
| AStorm | and I'm not anywhere close to trained ;> | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | it still presents you with letters you have to click | 05:56 |
| AStorm | and haven't tried it with pen, could be better than mouse | 05:56 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: wrong | 05:56 |
| AStorm | you draw a path to the letter, not click it | 05:56 |
| AStorm | at least, not in the default mode | 05:56 |
| AStorm | there is a click mode too | 05:56 |
| AStorm | let me check if I still have that installed :> | 05:57 |
| AStorm | yup | 05:57 |
| AStorm | and working | 05:57 |
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| AStorm | It's quite nice really. | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | i believe you | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | but constant moving isn't so nice on cpu | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 05:59 |
| AStorm | And I'm mission practice. | 05:59 |
| AStorm | sure | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | missing? | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:59 |
| AStorm | ;) | 05:59 |
| AStorm | ya, need to slow it down a bit | 05:59 |
| AStorm | Anyway. | 05:59 |
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| AStorm | It is said to work on the IT. | 06:00 |
| AStorm | Slowly, but working. | 06:01 |
| AStorm | Needs more integration though. | 06:02 |
| AStorm | (and I need more practice) | 06:02 |
| AStorm | Let's see now. | 06:05 |
| AStorm | Hmm, really out of practice:) | 06:06 |
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| AStorm | It's fun typing shell in it, I created a dictionary optimized for that | 06:07 |
| AStorm | Really easy that way. | 06:08 |
| AStorm | You get autocomplete for free. | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:09 |
| woodwizzle | On what repo is GtkSourceView and the python runtime on? | 06:09 |
| woodwizzle | i can't find 'em anywhere to download, and I need them for pygtkeditor | 06:09 |
| AStorm | ayayay | 06:10 |
| AStorm | stupid GTK accepts inserted tab key as a real tab ;P | 06:10 |
| Navi | Woo | 06:10 |
| AStorm | no tabcomplete for me then ;P | 06:10 |
| Navi | :D | 06:10 |
| AStorm | heh. | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, is it hildonized? | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | i know that hildon gtk apps need enter sent differently | 06:11 |
| AStorm | Supposedly. | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | at least with default im | 06:11 |
| AStorm | Well, I'm using it on my PC now. | 06:11 |
| AStorm | Not on N, which has broken kernel and initfs ;P | 06:11 |
| AStorm | Needed a patch for a crasher. | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | you have a backup? | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:13 |
| AStorm | Hmm, right now I'm typing with 1/4 the speed of a QWERTY. | 06:13 |
| AStorm | Not too bad. | 06:13 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: of course I have a backup | 06:13 |
| Navi | Wow, if I typed 1/4th the speed of my speed, it'd be 15 wpm | 06:13 |
| * Navi types slow | 06:13 | |
| AStorm | Navi: you're not a touch typist then | 06:13 |
| AStorm | ;P | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | i more a punch typist | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | but thinkpads have very good kbs | 06:14 |
| AStorm | OMG | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | *i'm | 06:14 |
| Navi | AStorm, I constantly make mistakes out of habit and that bogs me down like crazy | 06:14 |
| Navi | I don't care to fix it either | 06:15 |
| AStorm | You punch the keyboard? | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, well, i type quite hard | 06:15 |
| AStorm | Hehe | 06:15 |
| AStorm | Keyslammer | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | something like that | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | plastic on my kb is worn out | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | usually on space, shift and enter | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | it was matte at the beginning | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | now it's shiny in most places | 06:17 |
| AStorm | It'd be uberfun to write with Dasher using a tilt sensor ;P | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: great kid's game | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:17 |
| AStorm | Want a static binary? (Not for N) | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 06:18 |
| AStorm | alternatively, I can drop you the needed patches | 06:18 |
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| zakkm | hi .. i have a nokia 770 and i was wondering if there was a guide on installing 2008HE on it ( currently running 2006 ) | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:21 |
| zakkm | any chance of a exact link? | 06:21 |
| zakkm | like to the guide? | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have any handy | 06:21 |
| AStorm | ~google Nokia 2008HE | 06:21 |
| zakkm | like i downloaded stuff from ther ebefore | 06:21 |
| AStorm | infobot: you suck! | 06:22 |
| infobot | Sorry! | 06:22 |
| zakkm | AStorm: i did that? | 06:22 |
| AStorm | no, you didn't | 06:22 |
| zakkm | AStorm: doesnt bring up any helpful results? | 06:22 |
| zakkm | http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=nokia+2008hE&btnG=Search&meta= | 06:22 |
| KotCzarny | add 'howto' | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | to the search query | 06:23 |
| zakkm | i just get irc logs from this irc channel? | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | that's good | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | they are full of links | 06:24 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:25 |
| zakkm | will skype work on it? | 06:25 |
| zakkm | nokia 770 - 2008HE | 06:26 |
| zakkm | my main reason for updating is to run skype | 06:26 |
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| AStorm | I don't think so. | 06:27 |
| AStorm | It's a different cpu. | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/12/skype-on-n770-using-os2007-he.html | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | and this is the source: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740 | 06:29 |
| StormEveryDay | skype can run on 2006 | 06:30 |
| AStorm | We want Skype with videosupport! | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | nah. | 06:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:32 |
| AStorm | Why? | 06:32 |
| AStorm | At least rudimentary. | 06:33 |
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| Sakkath | Is there another GPS receiver that will work with the Nokia n800? I just bought one under the impression the Nokia Navigation Kit was a lot cheaper than it really is. I should have just waited and got the n810 but it's too late now. | 06:38 |
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| KotCzarny | i think any bt gps will do | 06:39 |
| Sakkath | hm | 06:39 |
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| Sakkath | KotCzarny: know of any cheap but quality ones? | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | how cheap is cheap? | 06:40 |
| zakkm | wait sorry i left | 06:40 |
| zakkm | skype works on 2006? | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | i saw one link that suggested: http://www.semsons.com/wiwbmu3gpsre2.html | 06:40 |
| Sakkath | KotCzarny: hopefully cheaper than the Nokia Navigation Kit :D. I've seen like $186 or around there | 06:40 |
| zakkm | Sakkath: skype works on 2006? i couldnt seem to get it to work if i remember correctly | 06:40 |
| Sakkath | zakkm: I didn't even get my n800 yet, hasn't been shipped. | 06:41 |
| zakkm | Also, how come when i refresh package list in application manager. it fails ? | 06:41 |
| zakkm | and shows a old list from like september '07 | 06:41 |
| Sakkath | KotCzarny: http://www.buygpsnow.com/bluetooth-gps_9.aspx some of those are pretty cheap BlueTooth GPS receivers, any good? | 06:41 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | tbh i never had gps yet | 06:43 |
| KotCzarny | so everything i know is from stories of other people | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:44 |
| Sakkath | Well, I'll keep looking and researching--don't need one right away, just was asking for future reference. | 06:44 |
| zakkm | SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 06:44 |
| zakkm | does that sound right? | 06:44 |
| zakkm | for nokia 770? | 06:44 |
| zakkm | 3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets | 06:44 |
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| zakkm | is SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin right for the nokia 770 ? for 2007HE? | 06:50 |
| ameng | Anyone get directfb run on maemo? | 06:50 |
| johnx | ameng, to run *on* maemo? hmm | 06:51 |
| ameng | sorry , on n810 | 06:51 |
| johnx | that might be a bit tricky | 06:51 |
| johnx | almost certainly possible | 06:52 |
| ameng | johnx:why? | 06:52 |
| johnx | well Nokia's "ITOS2008" is already using the framebuffer and it can be tricky to kill off the x server without their watchdog software freaking out and rebooting your device | 06:53 |
| johnx | should be possible though. And maybe you can just use some software to open up a fullscreen black window and then run directfb and just kind of forget that the x server is running | 06:54 |
| AStorm | it is easy to do so | 06:54 |
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| AStorm | just change dsmetool call in the X server init script | 06:55 |
| AStorm | then terminate it and use the framebuffer as usual | 06:55 |
| AStorm | but you need a kernel capable of automatic screen updates | 06:55 |
| johnx | yeah, that would work too | 06:55 |
| johnx | you just need fanoush's modules | 06:55 |
| AStorm | or a directfb driver that updates the screen | 06:55 |
| AStorm | johnx: tell me more about these ;P | 06:55 |
| * johnx digs up the thread | 06:56 | |
| zakkm | if i use 2008HE on the nokia 770 ( dont mind speed issues much ) is it possible to go back to 2006? or can it like brick my nokia? | 06:56 |
| AStorm | zakkm: just reflash and it's 2006 again | 06:56 |
| zakkm | k | 06:56 |
| ameng | Oh, thank you | 06:56 |
| zakkm | do i need the USB cable to flash it to 2008 ? | 06:56 |
| AStorm | zakkm: yes | 06:56 |
| zakkm | sorry .. only had it a few days | 06:57 |
| zakkm | got it on ebay for $85 | 06:57 |
| johnx | AStorm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=fbcon | 06:57 |
| zakkm | im running 3.2006.49-2 currently? | 06:57 |
| zakkm | SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- is that it? for my 770 ? | 06:58 |
| zakkm | 1st FIASCO image of the OS 2008 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- it says in description | 06:58 |
| johnx | yup, there's only one | 06:58 |
| zakkm | whats that uhmm | 06:59 |
| zakkm | meta-crawler thingy | 06:59 |
| zakkm | metalayer-crawler | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's evil | 06:59 |
| johnx | it indexes your media files | 06:59 |
| zakkm | i got x terminal on it.. but when i flash it.. wont it delete all my apps? | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | at least in it's current form | 06:59 |
| johnx | but sometimes it goes insane and uses up all the CPU time | 06:59 |
| johnx | zakkm, yes, flashing will erase all your apps | 07:00 |
| zakkm | eek | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | and user files too | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:00 |
| johnx | but os2008 comes with a terminal | 07:00 |
| zakkm | would 2008HE use more battery then 2006? | 07:00 |
| zakkm | like significantly | 07:00 |
| zakkm | cause i like my battery life :P | 07:00 |
| johnx | it might, since it takes more power to run | 07:00 |
| zakkm | i can charge it nightly? but would it last that long? | 07:01 |
| johnx | we don't know | 07:01 |
| johnx | it depends on how you use it | 07:01 |
| johnx | why not give it a shot and see | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | n800 charges from empty to full in ~3h | 07:01 |
| zakkm | true | 07:01 |
| zakkm | can it brick it? | 07:01 |
| johnx | nope | 07:01 |
| johnx | nokia's flasher is solid | 07:02 |
| zakkm | i spent so long geting all these apps | 07:02 |
| zakkm | and now i gotta flash it lol | 07:02 |
| zakkm | mplayer,streamtunmer, maemo blocks, maemo pad, mdictionary,xchat, fbreader etc | 07:02 |
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| KotCzarny | they are all free and available | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | aren't they? | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:02 |
| zakkm | yeah | 07:02 |
| zakkm | but now i have to redownload? | 07:02 |
| zakkm | after i flash | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:02 |
| zakkm | ;p | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | because libs are different | 07:03 |
| zakkm | i just added them yesterday | 07:03 |
| zakkm | :( | 07:03 |
| zakkm | different? really? not just updated? | 07:03 |
| johnx | a little of both | 07:03 |
| johnx | there was a big API break between OS2007 and OS2008 | 07:03 |
| zakkm | hey i was looking at the screenshot section on internttablettalk and ppl are running fluxbox by the looks of it? | 07:03 |
| zakkm | johnx : makes 2008 better or worse? | 07:03 |
| johnx | link to the screenshot? | 07:03 |
| zakkm | onesec | 07:04 |
| johnx | just makes it newer. From a programming point of view it should be better | 07:04 |
| zakkm | have to find it again ;p | 07:04 |
| zakkm | they were talking about openbox rox? rox i believe is a file manager? | 07:05 |
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| johnx | you can get a lot of crazy stuff running | 07:06 |
| zakkm | johnx: http://penguinbait.com/fluxbox.png | 07:06 |
| johnx | it's just a linux machine after all | 07:06 |
| zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014 | 07:06 |
| zakkm | 2nd post or close? | 07:06 |
| zakkm | yeah true | 07:06 |
| zakkm | but there has to be like limitations? | 07:06 |
| johnx | yeah, your time | 07:07 |
| johnx | some stuff is a pain to get working | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | vnc | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | is the keyword here | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:07 |
| johnx | other limitations are memory | 07:07 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:07 |
| zakkm | does vnc even work well? | 07:07 |
| zakkm | on a nokia 770? | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | but hmm | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | on the connected machine it's *box | 07:08 |
| zakkm | fluxbox ;p | 07:08 |
| zakkm | it says under it | 07:08 |
| zakkm | in post | 07:08 |
| zakkm | so what nokia's you two have? | 07:09 |
| johnx | n800 | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | n800 | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
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| KotCzarny | and n-gage | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | na 3945 or something | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | *and | 07:09 |
| zakkm | lucky | 07:09 |
| zakkm | whats na 3945? | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | nokia 3945 | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | number may be wrong | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:10 |
| zakkm | i love the 2008 UI | 07:10 |
| zakkm | the look | 07:10 |
| zakkm | how good is vnc on it? | 07:11 |
| zakkm | is it worth me setting up? | 07:11 |
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| KotCzarny | if you have time for playing around :) | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | then definitely | 07:11 |
| zakkm | now i wish i bought a n800 | 07:12 |
| zakkm | $85 was good though right? | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 07:12 |
| zakkm | last week? | 07:12 |
| zakkm | for 770 | 07:12 |
| zakkm | mint condition and all that | 07:12 |
| zakkm | havent failed on me at all? | 07:12 |
| zakkm | ohh | 07:12 |
| zakkm | how do i use non RS-MMC's on it? | 07:12 |
| johnx | with a lot of pain | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:13 |
| zakkm | i went through guides and sites and like yeah but it seems like not worth it | 07:13 |
| zakkm | cutting the SD card -.- | 07:13 |
| johnx | might not be | 07:13 |
| johnx | it depends on how much you want more storage space | 07:13 |
| zakkm | the only RS-MMC's i could find was on ebay for like $20 for 2gb from china.. i live in TOronto, ON -.- | 07:13 |
| zakkm | i want like 2gb? | 07:13 |
| johnx | 2GB would be good | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | 20 bucks isn't your monthly paycheck | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | so it's not bad | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| johnx | that's all I have for my n800 | 07:14 |
| zakkm | well im 17 year old student | 07:14 |
| zakkm | and no job | 07:14 |
| zakkm | so yes it is more lol | 07:14 |
| zakkm | but then ill need to use someone elses creditcard.. and then wait for it | 07:14 |
| zakkm | and hope it works and all that | 07:15 |
| johnx | ah, I remember those days of hacking on Linux devices :D I know how you feel | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:15 |
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| zakkm | theres not many linux devices | 07:15 |
| zakkm | handheld's anyways | 07:15 |
| johnx | well, there's only a couple that run linux from the start | 07:15 |
| zakkm | ipodlinux ;p | 07:15 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:15 |
| zakkm | xbox orginial | 07:16 |
| zakkm | ps3 linux | 07:16 |
| zakkm | but nothing really handheld like the nokia's ;p | 07:16 |
| johnx | but there's a lot that can run linux: some palms, some ipaqs, some random other winmo devices, | 07:16 |
| zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=802&stc=1&d=1200242604 that looks amazing | 07:16 |
| zakkm | you know linux right | 07:17 |
| zakkm | how hard would it be to run uhm | 07:17 |
| zakkm | fluxbox natively? | 07:17 |
| zakkm | no vnc or anything | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | needs some hacking | 07:17 |
| johnx | what's your linux level? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | but people run kde etc. | 07:18 |
| johnx | do you run it on your desktop? | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | so it's definitely doable | 07:18 |
| zakkm | ah | 07:18 |
| zakkm | yeah i can do desktop linux | 07:18 |
| johnx | are you afraid of the command line? | 07:18 |
| zakkm | well i temporary stopped like i tried the newest suse 11.0 beta 1 last week? | 07:18 |
| zakkm | no im not | 07:18 |
| zakkm | im a irssi fan | 07:18 |
| zakkm | oh way | 07:18 |
| zakkm | i cant get it running in nokia | 07:18 |
| zakkm | i installed it but xterm give sme a error | 07:18 |
| zakkm | but i guess it will go when i flash? | 07:19 |
| johnx | yup, and there's an irssi package for os2008 but I'm not sure how well it works | 07:19 |
| zakkm | irssi + nickcolor script = wickedd :D | 07:19 |
| * johnx has been using linux for 10 years and still prefers a graphical irc client | 07:19 | |
| zakkm | urxvt -tr +sb -fg white | 07:19 |
| zakkm | with xcompmgr :D | 07:19 |
| zakkm | hah | 07:20 |
| zakkm | xchat works fine on my nokia | 07:20 |
| zakkm | but i wanted to try irssi on it? | 07:20 |
| johnx | well, there's also another route...there are other linux distributions for the 770 | 07:20 |
| johnx | you'll need a 2GB rs-mmc card to do that though | 07:20 |
| zakkm | ah no | 07:21 |
| zakkm | no way lol | 07:21 |
| zakkm | well depends the distro | 07:21 |
| zakkm | ;p | 07:21 |
| johnx | Debian | 07:21 |
| zakkm | i thought its already debian? | 07:21 |
| zakkm | its based on debian. .the normal one isnt it? | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | in the similiar way ubuntu is debian | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| johnx | they forked off from Debian around 2005 and it's diverged quite a bit | 07:21 |
| zakkm | ive never liked debian as a desktop OS | 07:21 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, ubuntu and debian are far closer than os2008 and debian sid are | 07:22 |
| johnx | zakkm, yup, making things work will involve some hacking | 07:22 |
| zakkm | i like Archlinux :D | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: both are forks developed by independent parties, right? | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, not so much | 07:22 |
| johnx | look at how many current Debian and Ubuntu packages are exactly the same, maintained by the same guy | 07:22 |
| zakkm | johnx: would it run smooth? | 07:22 |
| zakkm | not talking gnome/kde lol | 07:22 |
| zakkm | just like fluxbox/ awesome/ openbox | 07:23 |
| johnx | fluxbox would run fine, I'm sure | 07:23 |
| johnx | I've run it on slower machines | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: in the same way you can install armel packages from debian.org on n8x0 | 07:23 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, but you can't really | 07:23 |
| zakkm | i would like that.. should take low battery eh? | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i did | 07:24 |
| johnx | not without a recompile and some dependency tweaks and hacking | 07:24 |
| johnx | in most cases | 07:24 |
| zakkm | eek | 07:24 |
| zakkm | ill save it for another time.. when i had the nokia for long lol | 07:24 |
| johnx | zakkm, I was responding to KotCzarny, not you :) | 07:24 |
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| zakkm | ah | 07:24 |
| johnx | once you actually get debian installed it's just apt-get install fluxbox | 07:24 |
| zakkm | wouldnt that work now? | 07:24 |
| zakkm | is apt installed? | 07:25 |
| zakkm | they use apt dont they | 07:25 |
| zakkm | cant i just add a debian repo? | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | it's not your regular linux distro | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | it's hackish | 07:25 |
| johnx | it is, but Nokia's ITOS has a different structure and different library versions from Debian | 07:25 |
| zakkm | ah | 07:25 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, thank you, that's what I was getting at | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:25 |
| zakkm | omg | 07:25 |
| zakkm | i got class in 5 hours | 07:25 |
| zakkm | -.- | 07:25 |
| zakkm | highschool grade 11.. | 07:26 |
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| johnx | get some sleep :) | 07:26 |
| zakkm | are you guys usually here? | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 07:26 |
| johnx | a lot of the time | 07:26 |
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| Navi_ | johnx lives in a different time zone | 07:26 |
| Navi_ | KotCzarny is _always_ here | 07:26 |
| zakkm | oh hi Navi_ | 07:26 |
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| johnx | I think KotCzarny is two or three people who take shifts | 07:26 |
| Navi | Most likely | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: night has no meaning on net | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | see some guy posting about ugt | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:27 |
| johnx | yeah, but sleep does | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | ~ugt | 07:27 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 07:27 |
| zakkm | created by a irc user who wants a excuse why their on so much. | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | no, to stop the flood | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | and arguments about night and day | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | well, more like morning and evening | 07:28 |
| zakkm | well like i said i got class in five hours so im going to bed . ;D | 07:29 |
| zakkm | any chance one of you guys can help me flash? tomorrow? | 07:29 |
| zakkm | guide me through it? really great with steps? | 07:29 |
| johnx | sure, we'll at least get you pointed in the right direction and answer questions | 07:30 |
| WormFood | good afternoon everyone :P | 07:30 |
| zakkm | Hi Wormfood | 07:30 |
| johnx | 'mornin WormFood | 07:30 |
| zakkm | johnx: yeah or link me to a guide would be great thanks :P | 07:30 |
| zakkm | hey .. im on windows currently .. does flasher work on it? | 07:30 |
| zakkm | i can install linux if necessary? | 07:31 |
| zakkm | just would like to know | 07:31 |
| johnx | you just use the normal windows software updater | 07:31 |
| WormFood | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 07:31 |
| zakkm | oh | 07:31 |
| johnx | click next a million times and specify a file | 07:31 |
| zakkm | ah ok | 07:31 |
| WormFood | I think a majority of users here use Linux | 07:31 |
| zakkm | i downloaded it but i didnt have .net frame 2.0/2.5 | 07:31 |
| zakkm | so i didnt run | 07:31 |
| zakkm | lol to lazy to dl .. i get it tomorrow | 07:31 |
| zakkm | Wormfood: i do too .. but i needed windows for awhile | 07:31 |
| zakkm | wine doesnt work too well for cinema4d ( animation app ) | 07:32 |
| WormFood | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithWindows/ | 07:32 |
| WormFood | use vmware | 07:32 |
| zakkm | no lol | 07:32 |
| zakkm | if anything i use virtualbox with seamless virtualization | 07:32 |
| zakkm | and 2nd .. dont have AMD-V / whatever it is for Intel | 07:32 |
| zakkm | so the speeds suck :P | 07:32 |
| zakkm | and idk my partition system is weird | 07:32 |
| zakkm | i got 8 partitions on a 160gb | 07:33 |
| johnx | O_o | 07:33 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:33 |
| zakkm | i dont delete.. i just shrink and create | 07:33 |
| zakkm | i had more once | 07:33 |
| johnx | ahaha | 07:33 |
| zakkm | and its in like ext2, reiserfs, xfs, ntfs , no fat's .. | 07:33 |
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| zakkm | and then my 250gb .. i dont remember | 07:33 |
| zakkm | the partition table is messed -.- | 07:33 |
| zakkm | i think its 3 ntfs's and one xfs | 07:34 |
| WormFood | the day microsoft makes a product that don't suck, is the day they make a vacuum | 07:34 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:34 |
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| zakkm | microsoft vaccuum .. to BSOD your house in a simple sweep :P | 07:34 |
| zakkm | single sweep* | 07:34 |
| zakkm | goodnight everyone ^^;; | 07:34 |
| zakkm | thanks everyone ^^ | 07:34 |
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| WormFood | good night zakkm | 07:34 |
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| WormFood | ok, lunch time for me | 07:35 |
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| Italodance | hi hi hi hi | 07:38 |
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| acydlord | we need to port this to the n810 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/zealous_autoconfig.png | 07:42 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Macbook%20Ballmer%20GI.jpg | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | shopped? | 08:37 |
| doc|home | there's no way ballmer would be seen with a mac | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | ah, no | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | it looks like some school | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | schools usually use apples | 08:38 |
| RST38h | probably shopped... | 08:38 |
| RST38h | you mean school gave him a laptop? hmmm | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | there is no ballmer on a photo | 08:38 |
| RST38h | there is ballmer at the presentation screen though... | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | only announcment | 08:39 |
| RST38h | an dhe may be running vista on his mac! | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:40 |
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| KotCzarny | more like xp? | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:40 |
| RST38h | heheh | 08:40 |
| RST38h | 20fps! | 08:41 |
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| woodwizzle | Can I change the resolution of the n800 | 10:06 |
| woodwizzle | if for example I want to run at 400x240 to force pixel doubling | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 10:07 |
| woodwizzle | really? I checked the display section of the control panel but I couldn't find it | 10:08 |
| woodwizzle | really I just want to run particular apps at that res though if possible | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | ah, not system-wide | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | but if you are writing an app you can | 10:08 |
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| woodwizzle | how could I do it system wide? Edit the xorg.conf? | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | it wouldn't work so well | 10:09 |
| KotCzarny | res is hardcoded in many places i think | 10:10 |
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| KotCzarny | if you want to try how misc apps look at 480x800 install screen rotation hack | 10:10 |
| woodwizzle | hehe, thats not exactly what i need =) | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | but you will see the problem with changing res system wide | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:11 |
| woodwizzle | oh i getcha | 10:12 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 11:00 |
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| nomis | X-Fade: moin. How long does it usually take until uploaded packages end up in maemo-extras? I guess it is not a completely automated process? | 11:21 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: It is setup to run once per hour at least. | 11:33 |
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| nomis | X-Fade: mhm. Could you look if there is a aproblem with the statusbarclock upload? | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: Ok, I'll have a look. | 11:35 |
| nomis | X-Fade: thanks | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | nomis: chinook? | 11:36 |
| nomis | yes. | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | It was accepted by the queuemanager and moved to extras. | 11:38 |
| nomis | mhm, it does not seem to end up in the package list of my device. | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages <- I see it here | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Filename: pool/chinook/free/s/statusbarclock/statusbarclock_0.8_armel.deb | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | Size: 7622 | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | MD5sum: 1caf8c20e32901bfadc3549ec3167f01 | 11:39 |
| nomis | maybe the Section "user/utils" is obsolete. | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | Do you see it with apt-get? | 11:40 |
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| X-Fade | red pill? | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | Let me try to install it. | 11:44 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | nomis: It is there and installed fine. | 11:46 |
| nomis | X-Fade: ok, weird. | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | And it was in utils. | 11:47 |
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| nomis | ok, seems my application manager is somehow messed up. | 11:50 |
| nomis | Maybe it got confused by a locally installed package that suddenly turned up in a repository. | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: Then it should only show up at installed applications. | 11:51 |
| nomis | yeah, I tried to deinstall it and the app manager refused to do it properly though. | 11:51 |
| nomis | After a restart of the device it worked then. | 11:52 |
| nomis | X-Fade: thanks for looking. | 11:52 |
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| X-Fade | No problem. I want more people to upload to extras, I'll try to help debug problems when they try. | 11:53 |
| nomis | X-Fade: I appreciate it. | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Can you try to upload your source package to the autobuilder too? So we can test it some more? | 11:53 |
| nomis | X-Fade: can't it just get the source package from maemo-extras? | 11:54 |
| nomis | (or am I missing the point?) | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Well, it is supposed to work the other way around ;) | 11:54 |
| nomis | heh :) | 11:54 |
| nomis | ok, what would I have to do? | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | Ideally you should only upload source packages and the autobuilder should do ther rest ;) | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | The easiest way is the assistant: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php or you can use dput as described here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html | 11:55 |
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| nomis | X-Fade: I have some problems at the moment - my files are in an inconsistent state and I currently don't have the time at hand to fix this. However, I'll try to keep this in mind. | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Ok, no problem. | 12:05 |
| * nomis adds the chinook extras builder to dput.cf | 12:06 | |
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| trickie_ | AStorm: did changing the machine id in arch/arm/tools/mach-types allow you to boot a 2.6.25-omap1 kernel? | 13:09 |
| AStorm | don't know yet | 13:14 |
| AStorm | there is an id for N810 | 13:14 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:22 |
| johnx | 'mornin | 13:22 |
| hrw | AStorm: how goes kernel? | 13:23 |
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| AStorm | hrw: it works in qemu, but not on the device | 13:25 |
| AStorm | I'll send it to you for serial testing | 13:25 |
| acydlord | this whole new church spires as cell towers thing kinda reeks of hypocircy to me | 13:26 |
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| acydlord | and i cant spell | 13:26 |
| AStorm | acydlord: *speel ;) | 13:26 |
| AStorm | hrw: I guess there's some bug in n810 init code, as the qemu emulates n800 | 13:28 |
| johnx | acydlord, yeah, I just read the article. The guy's an idiot. | 13:28 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: there is also a patch on the omap list to enable the TSC2301 drivers when using n800_defconfig | 13:28 |
| acydlord | i'm looking through places on waymarking.com, and there are a ton of churches in az with cell towers as spires | 13:28 |
| AStorm | trickie: I prob. have these in | 13:29 |
| AStorm | will check | 13:29 |
| AStorm | but the FB should still start w/o it | 13:29 |
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| trickie_ | AStorm: yep, as long as you fix the machine id | 13:30 |
| AStorm | machine ID is ok, duh | 13:31 |
| AStorm | there is an ID for N810 inside | 13:31 |
| johnx | trickie, probably the best way to soak up cell phone "radiation" is to put one up to your head when there aren't any towers nearby. The phone will boost the power on it's radio to try and reach towers that are barely within it's range | 13:31 |
| AStorm | johnx: that and head is fairly resistant to radiation | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:32 |
| AStorm | trickie: nokia_n810 MACH_NOKIA_N810 NOKIA_N810 1548 | 13:32 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: yep nokia bootlooder still passes development machine id, but i guess that was you who asked on the list :) | 13:32 |
| trickie_ | yep change that to 5555 | 13:33 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:33 |
| AStorm | ok | 13:34 |
| AStorm | Yay, fixing... | 13:34 |
| pupnik_ | how many milliwatt do cellphones emit? | 13:34 |
| pupnik_ | and would having a 802.11 antenna close to body be dangerous? :) | 13:34 |
| acydlord | which 802.11 revision? | 13:34 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: up to 100mW | 13:34 |
| AStorm | 802.11 might produce burns if it's powerful enough | 13:35 |
| AStorm | microwaves ;P | 13:35 |
| johnx | er...I thought older analog phones would go up to almost a full watt | 13:35 |
| acydlord | my old wrt-g was pushing 2.4ghz @ 400mW | 13:35 |
| johnx | 802.11 is like an order of magnitude less | 13:35 |
| AStorm | trickie_: YAY, SUCCESS!!!!!! | 13:35 |
| johnx | woo! | 13:35 |
| AStorm | now I'm in the shell | 13:35 |
| aquatix | acydlord: you can tweak those i think | 13:35 |
| trickie_ | wooo | 13:35 |
| johnx | AStorm, it lives?! | 13:36 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:36 |
| aquatix | acydlord: at least, i have firmware in which i can set the wattage | 13:36 |
| acydlord | yeah aquatix it was origionally at 170mW | 13:36 |
| AStorm | hrw: the machine ID was wrong | 13:36 |
| aquatix | it's about 70mW | 13:36 |
| johnx | AStorm, that's awesome. congrats | 13:36 |
| aquatix | acydlord: ouch | 13:36 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:36 |
| AStorm | now, time for more hax | 13:36 |
| acydlord | 400mW on a router supposedly violates fcc regs | 13:36 |
| AStorm | no, it doesn't | 13:36 |
| AStorm | they must pass special tests then | 13:37 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: well machine id was right, nokia shipped a bootloader still using the development machine id | 13:37 |
| AStorm | owned | 13:37 |
| AStorm | :> | 13:37 |
| trickie_ | :) | 13:37 |
| AStorm | ~lart Nokia bootloader | 13:38 |
| * infobot cuts off Nokia bootloader's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper | 13:38 | |
| AStorm | I could set the machine id with the flasher, right? | 13:38 |
| trickie_ | not sure | 13:38 |
| trickie_ | don't have my dev setup here at work | 13:38 |
| acydlord | oh snap, 802.11 is allowed to be 1watt or less | 13:39 |
| AStorm | acydlord: yup | 13:39 |
| aquatix | wow | 13:39 |
| AStorm | but it has to be defocused then | 13:39 |
| acydlord | 1watt or less with <=6dbi gain | 13:39 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:39 |
| aquatix | i could swamp my neighbourhood with signal with that | 13:39 |
| AStorm | nope | 13:39 |
| AStorm | too unfocused | 13:39 |
| aquatix | small neighbourhood :P | 13:40 |
| AStorm | hhehehe | 13:40 |
| aquatix | at 70mW i already have a really decent reception | 13:40 |
| acydlord | i think my previous setup may be in violation of the fcc regs | 13:40 |
| acydlord | 400mW with a 12dbi | 13:40 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: if you can specify machine id in the cmdline then yes | 13:40 |
| AStorm | I can specify something called hw revision | 13:41 |
| AStorm | is that it? | 13:41 |
| AStorm | nah, not | 13:42 |
| trickie_ | nah | 13:42 |
| trickie_ | i think thats RX-34 etc | 13:42 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:42 |
| AStorm | acydlord: no, it's not | 13:42 |
| acydlord | yeah, i borked my math | 13:42 |
| acydlord | big time | 13:42 |
| AStorm | I'd love to have 1W at high dbi | 13:42 |
| AStorm | microwave gun anyone? :P | 13:43 |
| aquatix | fry that annoying neighbour from a distance :) | 13:43 |
| acydlord | tesla deathray? | 13:43 |
| AStorm | well, air attenuates microwaves | 13:43 |
| AStorm | acydlord: no, microwave | 13:43 |
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| AStorm | 100W focused emitter would be quite a hurt ;P | 13:44 |
| acydlord | yeah | 13:44 |
| Cptn-N800 | Someone port notepad to maemo and let it import any file no matter if it think it will work or not :/ | 13:44 |
| AStorm | Cptn-N800: use less | 13:45 |
| AStorm | or vim | 13:45 |
| acydlord | or leafpad | 13:45 |
| AStorm | and I think gedit is available too | 13:45 |
| Cptn-N800 | I need to open a opml file as text | 13:45 |
| aquatix | geany! | 13:45 |
| AStorm | acydlord: crispy people | 13:46 |
| acydlord | 1000W with a high gain | 13:46 |
| AStorm | we had to heavily shield a 5W emitter for testing ;P | 13:46 |
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| AStorm | acydlord: well, you mean, like, rip out and focus the emitter from microwave oven? ;P | 13:47 |
| AStorm | but that wouldn't be portable | 13:47 |
| acydlord | true | 13:47 |
| AStorm | at least, not man-portable | 13:47 |
| acydlord | i once watched someone almost walk in front of a wan dish on top of the asu engineering building | 13:47 |
| * AStorm huggles trickie | 13:48 | |
| AStorm | thanks once again | 13:48 |
| trickie_ | he he | 13:48 |
| trickie_ | np | 13:48 |
| trickie_ | the video driver is still borked IIRC | 13:49 |
| trickie_ | so i might have a bash at fixing that up | 13:49 |
| AStorm | ok,time to check if the hacked wifi driver works | 13:49 |
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| AStorm | well, it doesn't respond to manual update ioctls? | 13:49 |
| aquatix | acydlord: reminds me of stories of the ground radar we have here | 13:49 |
| aquatix | you don't want to walk in front of that when it's on full power ;) | 13:50 |
| trickie_ | it doesn't build | 13:50 |
| acydlord | lol | 13:50 |
| aquatix | birds falling out of the sky and such :/ | 13:50 |
| AStorm | trickie_: the omap2 one does | 13:50 |
| AStorm | omap24xx-cam that is | 13:50 |
| AStorm | after I patched it | 13:50 |
| AStorm | want the patch? (real simple) | 13:50 |
| AStorm | I've a patch for bluetooth too | 13:50 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: sure... | 13:51 |
| AStorm | http://www.wklej.org/id/85144521fe - the full diff vs head | 13:51 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: ta | 13:52 |
| acydlord | man i hope they atleast add a 1mp or greater cam to the next IT | 13:52 |
| AStorm | :> | 13:52 |
| AStorm | and rotatable one? | 13:52 |
| AStorm | (like in N800, but better) | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | N800 one was fine. | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Rotation wise that is. | 13:53 |
| johnx | hopefully they have some better surplus cams this time :D | 13:53 |
| acydlord | the cam on the n95 would be nice | 13:53 |
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| trickie_ | AStorm: thanks, i had similar changes except for the video driver... | 13:53 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: you should get them merged in linux-omap1 | 13:54 |
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| hrw | AStorm: hw revision is version of n800/n810 ardware | 13:54 |
| hrw | AStorm: n810 has 801/2/3/4 and 901/2 iirc versions | 13:55 |
| AStorm | hrw: yes... there's no easy way to set that ID | 13:55 |
| AStorm | 805 too :> | 13:55 |
| AStorm | trickie_: I will post the patch to the list after splitting it up | 13:55 |
| hrw | AStorm: so which kernel youhave? 2.6.25-omap? | 13:56 |
| AStorm | now, 2.6.25-omap1 | 13:57 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: cool | 13:57 |
| AStorm | Ok, time for more hacking and disabling of initramfs | 13:58 |
| AStorm | let it load one from OneNAND :> | 13:58 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: my MMC driver is busted also... but i haven't had a chance to look into it yet | 13:58 |
| AStorm | hm? | 13:58 |
| AStorm | I think it isn't that broken | 13:59 |
| AStorm | If you mean 2.6.21-nokia-ported, then yes, that needs work to port | 13:59 |
| AStorm | git couldn't pick up the renames | 13:59 |
| trickie_ | nah just mainline one | 13:59 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 13:59 |
| trickie_ | haven't played too much since the other day | 13:59 |
| AStorm | btw, I wondered why the serial console wasn't working | 14:00 |
| * AStorm headdesks | 14:00 | |
| AStorm | STI was disabled | 14:00 |
| hrw | ;D | 14:00 |
| trickie_ | :) | 14:00 |
| trickie_ | well, back to work for me, good luck | 14:01 |
| * hrw waits for memtest to finish | 14:01 | |
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| AStorm | btw, Menelaus seems to have an RTC built-in | 14:06 |
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| trickie_ | AStorm: you going to linuxtag? | 14:08 |
| hrw | AStorm: do you have your git tree published somewhere? | 14:08 |
| AStorm | trickie_: sorry, can't | 14:09 |
| AStorm | hrw: it's normal linux-omap head | 14:09 |
| AStorm | plus that patch | 14:09 |
| AStorm | so no need for it yet :> | 14:09 |
| hrw | AStorm: btw - where are you from? | 14:09 |
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| AStorm | hrw: ofc PL | 14:10 |
| AStorm | currently in Warsaw, but from Gorzów Wielkopolski | 14:11 |
| hrw | AStorm: .pl is big country... | 14:11 |
| * hrw in Poznañ now | 14:11 | |
| AStorm | I'll go home for the national holidays, not that far | 14:12 |
| hrw | I will drive through Gorzów on Saturday | 14:13 |
| AStorm | hm | 14:14 |
| hrw | but no break there | 14:14 |
| AStorm | I'll test if kexec works :> | 14:14 |
| AStorm | no problem | 14:14 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, great :) | 14:14 |
| AStorm | a pity I won't be able to go to LinuxTag | 14:15 |
| AStorm | exams then ;P | 14:15 |
| qwerty12 | I've got my mock exams this week. | 14:15 |
| AStorm | hmm, omap24xx-cam uses a bit unsafe spinlocking scheme ;P | 14:16 |
| AStorm | while tsc2102 does something weird with hwmon_remove_device | 14:17 |
| AStorm | ok, MMC code is broken | 14:19 |
| AStorm | got a BUG | 14:19 |
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| AStorm | need to grab that off the device | 14:20 |
| Cptn-N800 | Maemo bugspray | 14:20 |
| AStorm | I wonder if netconsole will work | 14:21 |
| hrw | AStorm: over usbnet? | 14:21 |
| AStorm | yes | 14:21 |
| AStorm | over g_ether | 14:21 |
| hrw | interesting use | 14:21 |
| hrw | I have usb ethernet dongle | 14:22 |
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| AStorm | I have one too | 14:22 |
| AStorm | but I don't have a gender bender cable yet | 14:22 |
| hrw | I have to buy one too | 14:23 |
| AStorm | oh shi* | 14:23 |
| AStorm | the device now has the battery discharged | 14:23 |
| hrw | then will check how maemo handle all my usb devices at once | 14:23 |
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| AStorm | hmm, something happened here | 14:29 |
| AStorm | I can't get the device to respond to USB | 14:29 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:29 |
| AStorm | e.g. for flashing | 14:30 |
| hrw | thats punishment for tryiung newqer kernels | 14:30 |
| AStorm | naaah | 14:30 |
| AStorm | that should be handled by NOLO | 14:30 |
| AStorm | the problem is that I only get the Nokia screen for a short while | 14:31 |
| AStorm | I suspect the battery is discharged | 14:31 |
| AStorm | but, will it charge with the device off? | 14:31 |
| AStorm | ;P | 14:31 |
| hrw | AStorm: try to boot poky instead of maemo | 14:31 |
| trickie_ | i had no issue flashing 2.6.25-omap1 | 14:31 |
| trickie_ | but then my battery was full | 14:31 |
| AStorm | hrw: if you tell me how to flash it *now* then... ;P | 14:31 |
| hrw | AStorm: first boot 2.6.21, charge battery | 14:31 |
| AStorm | hrw: first flash 2.6.21? | 14:31 |
| AStorm | whoops, Alderson loop | 14:31 |
| AStorm | I have a problem here ;P | 14:32 |
| hrw | AStorm: flash 2.6.21 to check battery, charge it (no control charge on !maemo) | 14:32 |
| acydlord | anyone know how to change the "Home" location in mapper? | 14:32 |
| AStorm | ... | 14:32 |
| hrw | AStorm: how to flash when usb is not responding? | 14:32 |
| AStorm | hrw: the problem is that the device is shutting down because of lack of power | 14:32 |
| AStorm | and I can't charge it | 14:32 |
| hrw | AStorm: and you do not have oter device with this battery\ | 14:33 |
| AStorm | no | 14:33 |
| trickie_ | oh no | 14:33 |
| johnx | ugh...an external battery charger may be in your future... | 14:33 |
| hrw | AStorm: you are grounded | 14:33 |
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| AStorm | hrw: not nearly so | 14:33 |
| AStorm | I could buy a new battery (wanted to do that anyway ;P ) | 14:33 |
| hrw | AStorm: go to gsm shops and buy 3rdparty charger for battery | 14:33 |
| AStorm | there are none, I've checked many | 14:34 |
| AStorm | there aren't any on the net, even | 14:34 |
| qwerty12 | Buy a new phone? :p | 14:34 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: lol | 14:34 |
| AStorm | 1500 PLN | 14:34 |
| AStorm | or an expensive plan | 14:34 |
| AStorm | I will buy one, but in June | 14:35 |
| AStorm | I could buy a battery and hope it's pre-charged :> | 14:35 |
| hrw | AStorm: bad luck then. for bl-5c there were chargers on allegro | 14:35 |
| AStorm | yep | 14:36 |
| AStorm | I could actually adapt bl-5c to bl-4c | 14:36 |
| qwerty12 | I find if I have usb and charger plugged in, I get usb connection for a few seconds. Any chance of letting flasher run? | 14:36 |
| AStorm | the difference is in size I think | 14:36 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: I don't | 14:36 |
| qwerty12 | :( | 14:36 |
| AStorm | it crashes after some 5s | 14:36 |
| * AStorm feels so stupid about forgetting to charge the battery | 14:37 | |
| hrw | 1.6GHz pentium M + 5400rpm harddrive is killing combo... | 14:37 |
| hrw | upgrading system (537MB of packages) + git pull (600k revs) + unpacking kernel tarball == slow mess | 14:38 |
| AStorm | I know what I could do | 14:38 |
| AStorm | ask some gsm shop owner to let me charge the battery ;P | 14:38 |
| hrw | yep | 14:38 |
| qwerty12 | Are they kinder in Poland than over here? I bet in East London, I'd have to pay :P | 14:38 |
| AStorm | I'd probably have to pay here too | 14:39 |
| AStorm | it depends on the shop | 14:39 |
| johnx | if I was closer I'd offer to mail you a charged battery in return for your flat one... | 14:39 |
| johnx | any friends with Nokia phones? | 14:39 |
| hrw | AStorm: or find who from your friends has phone with tose batteries | 14:39 |
| AStorm | hrw: I'll ask, why not | 14:39 |
| AStorm | but the problem might be, that phone is in use ;P | 14:39 |
| AStorm | the hell | 14:40 |
| AStorm | this Nokia automatically now blinks | 14:40 |
| hrw | worht check anyywa | 14:40 |
| AStorm | charger is trying to get it up | 14:40 |
| AStorm | I'll better disconnect it before it destroys the battery | 14:40 |
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| qwerty12 | You don't have any serial flasher cables lying around? :/ | 14:41 |
| AStorm | I won't be able to flash the kernel in 2s | 14:41 |
| AStorm | (the initrd does have dsme and bme working) | 14:41 |
| AStorm | is the BP-4L a smart battery with charge mechanism built in? | 14:43 |
| AStorm | I mean, only provide stable 3,7V and it will charge? | 14:43 |
| qwerty12 | I think it's a bit of a stupid system, having charging depend on initfs. (not even the initfs, it boots into full system). If my W810 is EROM dead, (useless without service cable), it will still charge at lower voltage but not come on. | 14:44 |
| hrw | qwerty12: software charging control is cheaper then hardware? | 14:44 |
| johnx | yeah, Nokia's charging system seems a little braindead... | 14:44 |
| AStorm | not much cheaper | 14:44 |
| johnx | "not much cheaper" x "lots of devices" = "a decent chunk of cash" | 14:45 |
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| trickie_ | well im gonna charge by battery as soon as i get home :) | 14:46 |
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| qwerty12 | I think johnx got it there. As for me, I'm still having trouble with sb1 and hardy. I've fixed vmware to run in hardy so I'm gonna jack the sbox out of that. | 14:46 |
| * trickie_ hopes there is still enough juice to flash 2.6.21 kernel | 14:46 | |
| AStorm | here? not | 14:47 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:47 |
| trickie_ | damn | 14:47 |
| johnx | well at least the battery is "user replaceable" | 14:47 |
| AStorm | a generic li-poly charger costs like, 20$ | 14:48 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, imagine if that happened on iphone... | 14:48 |
| Navi | \o/ | 14:49 |
| Navi | Everyone knows that you need to pay for warranty to replace your battery | 14:50 |
| Navi | That's the best way to do it | 14:50 |
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| johnx | there's nothing like the seamless user experience of being without your phone for a couple weeks just 'cause your battery died :) | 14:52 |
| Navi | It's only US$69 for two years, after all. | 14:52 |
| Navi | Lol | 14:52 |
| Navi | Ha, It's US$60 + $7 shipping to replace your battery out of warranty | 14:53 |
| AStorm | Ok, I know now how Li-Poly should be charged | 14:53 |
| Navi | What a rip | 14:53 |
| AStorm | 0,8-1 * Vc | 14:53 |
| AStorm | until it's rated voltage (3,7-4V) | 14:53 |
| AStorm | then charged with that voltage until the current falls below 100mA | 14:54 |
| AStorm | Vc is capacity in Ah, but in volts | 14:54 |
| AStorm | maybe 0,5C even | 14:55 |
| AStorm | I could charge it... from battery then, at least partially | 14:55 |
| AStorm | attach 1,5V AA | 14:55 |
| AStorm | that might be too much | 14:55 |
| AStorm | maybe even 1,2V might be too much | 14:56 |
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| AStorm | but that's at least close | 14:56 |
| * qwerty12 now goes to mount vmware image in Ubuntu. he realises he needs to be careful as he messed up a working sbox install in 7.10 by copying badly. | 14:57 | |
| Navi | :P | 14:57 |
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| AStorm | hmm, it should be possible to charge that Li-Poly with a standard single NiMH | 15:39 |
| AStorm | the question remains: what will be the current? | 15:39 |
| RST38h | more current! MORE CURRENT! | 15:41 |
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| Juhaz | eh? | 15:51 |
| Juhaz | you've got 3700mAh "standard NiMH"? that's what it would take to get charge the lipo, even if we took the rather unrealistic assumption that it's 100% efficient | 15:52 |
| Juhaz | remember the voltages are different, just because you see huge-looking amper hour ratings on nimh batteries doesn't mean they hold as much energy. | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | Juhaz: He just needs a little bit of charge in his battery to be able to flash the right kernel back into his device. | 15:56 |
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| Juhaz | ah, didn't read the first part of the discussion. sounds like spectacularly bad idea... | 15:58 |
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| X-Fade | Heh :) | 15:58 |
| johnx | charging "raw" li-po or li-ion cells like that is a recipe for disaster, but if it's a smart cell it should just need the right voltage and "do the right thing" | 15:59 |
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| johnx | emphasis on *should* | 16:00 |
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| Juhaz | get a friend with 810/e61i/e90 to charge it? | 16:04 |
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| AStorm | Juhaz: find me one | 16:13 |
| AStorm | it's not sold in this country | 16:14 |
| AStorm | finding a friend with a proper phone would be easier | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Get a battery from ebay for a few bucks? :) I'm pretty sure it woudn't burst into flames before you have flashed your kernel. After that though... | 16:15 |
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| AStorm | X-Fade: e-bay in Poland? you must be kidding me | 16:17 |
| inz | AStorm, can't you plug it in charger for the flashing? | 16:17 |
| AStorm | BP-4L, baybe | 16:17 |
| AStorm | inz: no, it starts from battery | 16:17 |
| AStorm | the charger is enabled later | 16:17 |
| hrw | X-Fade: there is e-bay in Poland but nearly no one sells there | 16:17 |
| AStorm | braindamage | 16:17 |
| inz | AStorm, doesn't it even help it to stay alive? | 16:18 |
| AStorm | slightly | 16:18 |
| AStorm | I managed to flash the nokia kernel | 16:18 |
| AStorm | but not the initfs | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: 11 dollar for 2 batteries SHIPPED from hong kong ;) | 16:18 |
| inz | doh | 16:18 |
| Juhaz | throw in another buck and you'll get standalone charger with that knockoff battery, which might even work... | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | That is an insane price ;) | 16:18 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: I'd rather take my chances and charge using NiMH | 16:18 |
| hrw | X-Fade: 100mA ones? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | hrw: 1500 mah.. | 16:18 |
| AStorm | 1000mAh -> about 500mA charge at 1,2V | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | Or so they claim.. | 16:18 |
| AStorm | shouldn't kill the battery | 16:19 |
| Atarii | are you polish AStorm? | 16:19 |
| hrw | X-Fade: too often 1500mAh those batteries has on sticker only | 16:19 |
| AStorm | (lowering to 200mA) | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Lipos are normally charged at about 1C. | 16:19 |
| AStorm | Atarii: no, I'm Javanese? Sure, Polish. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Anything lower should not be a problem.. | 16:19 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: you mean voltage or current? | 16:19 |
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| X-Fade | current. | 16:19 |
| qwerty12 | Everyone asks AStorm if he is from Poland :p | 16:20 |
| AStorm | mhm, so 1A shouldn't be a problem | 16:20 |
| AStorm | so, I can charge it with NiMH | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: But that is for lipos without circuits.. | 16:20 |
| AStorm | no problem then anyway | 16:20 |
| AStorm | it should accept the low current | 16:20 |
| AStorm | and 0,8C voltage | 16:21 |
| AStorm | but, I don't have proper cables on me | 16:21 |
| AStorm | let's see if I can find some | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Paperclip? | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 16:21 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: ;P | 16:21 |
| AStorm | good idea | 16:21 |
| AStorm | but attaching that to the power port will be hard | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Nah, you are setting yourself up for a short that way.. | 16:23 |
| AStorm | yes, exactly | 16:23 |
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| AStorm | I could use some duct tape for isolation | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | And shorting lipos is NOT what you want to do.. | 16:23 |
| AStorm | I know | 16:23 |
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| AStorm | haha, battery portals are large enough to NOT short them | 16:25 |
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| AStorm | and enter normal paperclip in | 16:25 |
| AStorm | this is weird... | 16:25 |
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| * X-Fade shouldn't have proposed the paperclip ;) | 16:26 | |
| trickie_ | :) | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | Perpaps you can also set 3 batteries in series in parellel over your battery ;) | 16:27 |
| Juhaz | you could also try dynamite | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Oh, there I go again.. | 16:27 |
| * RST38h wonders whether it is better to encourage AStorm's plans or talk him away form them | 16:27 | |
| Juhaz | please tell you've at least got protective glasses when you blow it up? | 16:27 |
| trickie_ | AStorm: if worst comes to worst, you can mail it to me (amsterdam) and ill charge it for you | 16:27 |
| RST38h | From the natural selection point of view, I mean... | 16:28 |
| AStorm | nah, Li-Poly won't explode that violently | 16:28 |
| AStorm | and I've got a voltmeter on me | 16:28 |
| AStorm | ;> | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Proabably only give a big flame. | 16:28 |
| AStorm | yes | 16:28 |
| RST38h | It will burn, very big and hot flame too | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | It only explodes when it can't release the presure.. | 16:28 |
| AStorm | and hard to extinguish | 16:29 |
| AStorm | lithium, water aggravates it ;P | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | And if you also drop it into the water.... | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Yea, AStorm, go ahead, by all means | 16:29 |
| AStorm | RST38h: I'm NOT stupid, thank you ;) | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Do set up a webcam, will ya? =) | 16:29 |
| AStorm | I have one, but not the correct paperclips | 16:29 |
| AStorm | wait till I set up the gear | 16:29 |
| RST38h | BTW, pretty much all Li-based batteries are smart | 16:30 |
| AStorm | shiz | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Exactly to prevent this kind of accidents | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Not the ones I use for my RC heli. Those are regular bombs ;) | 16:30 |
| AStorm | forgot I gave all the AAA NiMH to my brother | 16:30 |
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| AStorm | or maybe not all, better check | 16:30 |
| AStorm | yeah, have some 800mAh still | 16:31 |
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| AStorm | have to charge them still | 16:32 |
| AStorm | so wait a few hours ;P | 16:32 |
| trickie_ | he he http://www.metacafe.com/watch/788668/worlds_most_dangerous_battery/ | 16:33 |
| trickie_ | god i hope mine still has charge | 16:33 |
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| AStorm | hehehe | 16:35 |
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| AStorm | actually, that won't happen | 16:35 |
| AStorm | I'll charge with a max current of 800mA | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade | This way of overcharging is prevented by the circuit inside the battery. | 16:35 |
| AStorm | which is just above 0,5C | 16:35 |
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| AStorm | and voltage of 1,2V, which is close to 0,8C | 16:36 |
| AStorm | so, this can't happen | 16:36 |
| AStorm | it won't charge fully of course | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | AStorm: If it charges at all ;) | 16:36 |
| AStorm | it should | 16:36 |
| AStorm | unless I need a voltage step-up | 16:36 |
| AStorm | then I can use these in series | 16:36 |
| AStorm | usually the charge is increasing voltage, then decreasing current | 16:37 |
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| AStorm | aka, CC-CV | 16:38 |
| AStorm | the problem is that I can't provide smoothly increasing voltage | 16:38 |
| AStorm | :> | 16:38 |
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| AStorm | wait, do I have a potentiometer on me? | 16:40 |
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| aquatix | AStorm: wet fingers? | 16:41 |
| aquatix | tounge? | 16:41 |
| AStorm | no | 16:41 |
| AStorm | no and no | 16:41 |
| AStorm | ... | 16:41 |
| aquatix | you don't have your tounge on you? | 16:42 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 16:42 |
| AStorm | I need resistance, not conductance | 16:42 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 16:42 |
| elb | wet fingers and a tongue are both rather resistive ;-) | 16:42 |
| aquatix | put some rubbers over your tounge | 16:42 |
| aquatix | *tongue | 16:42 |
| * aquatix can't type today | 16:42 | |
| AStorm | elb: not that much | 16:42 |
| AStorm | aquatix: that would be a capacitor, dummy | 16:43 |
| aquatix | potayto potahto :P | 16:43 |
| * aquatix is more a software person ;) | 16:43 | |
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| AStorm | ok, I fail, I have no potentiometer on hand | 16:45 |
| AStorm | will have to go to the lab tomorrow and borrow one | 16:45 |
| AStorm | added benefit is availability of scopes | 16:45 |
| elb | I guess it's all relative | 16:46 |
| AStorm | and proper connectors | 16:46 |
| AStorm | plus I'll get all the dumb cheap elements I can, so can build a rudimentary full charge circuit | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Another option is to warm your battery up to get that little extra power. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | But don't warm it up too much ;) | 16:47 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: and destroy it too? yeah sure :> | 16:47 |
| AStorm | actually, s/warm/cool/ ;) | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | AStormL You are already well on your way toward destroying the battery | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Sooner, later, who cares? :) | 16:47 |
| AStorm | RST38h: well, battery isn't that expensive | 16:48 |
| AStorm | 150 PLN or so | 16:48 |
| AStorm | for original Nokia one | 16:48 |
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| AStorm | I could actually power on that Nokia using controlled DC power unit | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Nope. | 16:49 |
| AStorm | if in the lab | 16:49 |
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| AStorm | but I don't have any USB around there I think | 16:49 |
| AStorm | would have to bring the laptop in | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: The device somehow detects the battery. | 16:50 |
| AStorm | nah, it doesn't | 16:50 |
| AStorm | there's *no* control port ;) | 16:50 |
| AStorm | it detects the battery by measuring proper impendance | 16:50 |
| AStorm | and I can fake that | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: What it the 3rd pole for? | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | *is | 16:51 |
| AStorm | ground | 16:51 |
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| AStorm | or earth, if you will | 16:52 |
| AStorm | I wonder if Li-Ion 600mAh 3,7V charger would do ;P | 16:52 |
| AStorm | I have one (cell phone, dumdedum) on me | 16:52 |
| AStorm | so, now need 3 cables | 16:53 |
| AStorm | at worst, the cell phone will explode ;P | 16:53 |
| AStorm | it's cheap old junk anyway | 16:53 |
| aquatix | you have your goggles on you? | 16:54 |
| RST38h | UIQ FastTrack event | 16:54 |
| RST38h | Boston 15-16 may | 16:54 |
| AStorm | aquatix: I do wear glasses | 16:54 |
| * RST38h wonders when they will figure out it is not worth to send this spam | 16:54 | |
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| AStorm | when hell freezes over | 16:56 |
| AStorm | ... need cables ... | 16:56 |
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| Atarii | http://mojocafe.net/ is pretty sweet on the 770 | 16:57 |
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| Khertan | Hi everyone ! | 17:11 |
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| Navi_ | Hi! | 17:12 |
| Paulius | Hey guys. I have a Nokia 770 and I'm being adventurous. I'm about to flash it to OS 2007 hacker edition using the Windows Nokia Upater/flasher tool. Is there anything else I need to know? | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | Does anybody know what software is used for packages.debian.org and if where the code is available? My google skills are obviously lacking.. | 17:12 |
| Paulius | I've also realized that there's a download for OS 2008 hacker edition. Should I try that too or is it too unstable and slow on the 770? | 17:13 |
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| Atarii | Paulius go for 2008he | 17:16 |
| AStorm | I gain +1 to stupidity | 17:17 |
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| AStorm | managed to damage the contacts | 17:17 |
| johnx | O_o | 17:17 |
| AStorm | now, this is hard to fix | 17:17 |
| johnx | on the battery? or the N800? | 17:17 |
| AStorm | battery | 17:17 |
| AStorm | fairly micro these are ;P | 17:17 |
| johnx | glad it wasn't the N800 | 17:17 |
| AStorm | the contacts are now loosened, need to tighten them up | 17:18 |
| AStorm | they're now 0,25mm wider at the tightest spot, might be close enough | 17:22 |
| Navi_ | woo | 17:23 |
| AStorm | ok, good enough | 17:23 |
| AStorm | but still, need to charge it | 17:23 |
| Paulius | Atarii: Yeah? Any info pages about it? | 17:24 |
| AStorm | I should get an IRC-like blogging interface | 17:24 |
| AStorm | ;P | 17:24 |
| Paulius | Is it going to be slow? Does the 770 fit the requirements | 17:24 |
| Navi_ | AStorm: probably. | 17:24 |
| AStorm | or maybe, just transform the logs into blog posts ;P | 17:25 |
| Navi_ | Evil | 17:25 |
| Navi_ | A lot of people seem to use OS2007HE | 17:25 |
| Paulius | yeah, exactly | 17:25 |
| Navi_ | If you're going to reflash, it doesn't hurt to try it out for a bit anyways | 17:25 |
| Paulius | yeah | 17:26 |
| Paulius | reflash | 17:26 |
| Navi_ | OS2008HE, that is | 17:26 |
| Paulius | Oh... I see. | 17:26 |
| AStorm | now, I still need to hold the cables still somehow, the ports of Samsung and nokia have different +/-/gnd setup | 17:26 |
| Paulius | The flashing doesn't need the MMC card, does it? | 17:26 |
| Paulius | I'll move stuff to the MMC and then remove it | 17:26 |
| AStorm | Paulius: why would it? | 17:26 |
| Paulius | well just checking | 17:26 |
| Paulius | maybe as a buffer or something | 17:26 |
| AStorm | nope | 17:26 |
| Paulius | And uhhm... | 17:26 |
| * Paulius moves backwards to the back-alley. | 17:26 | |
| Paulius | Is there any way to get Flash 9? | 17:27 |
| Navi_ | There were a few threads on ITT about it | 17:27 |
| Atarii | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74038&postcount=8 | 17:27 |
| Paulius | th | 17:27 |
| Paulius | x | 17:27 |
| Atarii | but it doesnt work very well | 17:27 |
| Navi_ | I doubt it'll run great though | 17:27 |
| Paulius | awww | 17:27 |
| Atarii | youtube doesnt work | 17:27 |
| Atarii | but some things do | 17:27 |
| Paulius | awww | 17:27 |
| Paulius | YouTube would be the main reason I'd want flash | 17:28 |
| Navi_ | Does mytube work with OS2007HE? | 17:28 |
| Atarii | mytube? | 17:28 |
| Navi_ | Youtube app | 17:28 |
| Paulius | you mean 2008 probably? | 17:28 |
| AStorm | Paulius: nah, youtube would be the major reason you'd want YouTube Canola plugin | 17:28 |
| AStorm | and thus mplayer with flv support | 17:28 |
| Paulius | Canola totally fubared it's install on my 770. | 17:28 |
| Paulius | The thing that I'm excited about is... reliability. | 17:28 |
| Navi_ | The YouTube Canola plugin kinda blows | 17:28 |
| Paulius | OS 2006's browser crashes a million times | 17:28 |
| Atarii | i havnt got it to work in 2008he yet | 17:28 |
| Navi_ | http://mytube.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:28 |
| Paulius | and the thing randomly reboots from time to time | 17:28 |
| AStorm | Navi_: why? it works, is nice, etc. | 17:29 |
| Atarii | 2008he is fairly fast | 17:29 |
| AStorm | but canola itself doesn't handle mplayer that well | 17:29 |
| Navi_ | AStorm: exactly :P | 17:29 |
| johnx | random reboots? have you applied the wifi memory corruption fix? | 17:29 |
| Navi_ | mytube performs better, which is reason enough not to use it | 17:29 |
| aquatix | ? | 17:29 |
| red-zack | for 770 too? | 17:29 |
| red-zack | "mytube" ? | 17:30 |
| Navi_ | I just linked it | 17:30 |
| red-zack | os06 | 17:30 |
| Navi_ | check it out for yourself :P | 17:30 |
| AStorm | just dl the flv and use mplayer | 17:30 |
| AStorm | al the players are overrated | 17:30 |
| AStorm | *all | 17:30 |
| AStorm | esp. flash players | 17:31 |
| * aquatix has a nice shell script to download youtube flv's | 17:31 | |
| Navi_ | mytube uses youtube-dl to download flvs and mplayer to play | 17:31 |
| Navi_ | youtube xml to search through | 17:32 |
| Navi_ | s'all | 17:32 |
| aquatix | this script downloads the html and greps the flv's path and downloads it | 17:32 |
| hrw | someone speaks italian here? | 17:32 |
| aquatix | even fetches the highres version if it's there | 17:33 |
| Atarii | Paulius you going for 2008he then? | 17:33 |
| hrw | I need info how 'File' is translated in Italian | 17:33 |
| aquatix | babelfish says `lima' | 17:33 |
| aquatix | not sure how hilarious that is | 17:33 |
| Navi_ | File beans | 17:33 |
| aquatix | ? | 17:34 |
| Navi_ | Bad pun went over your head :P | 17:34 |
| Paulius | Atarii: yeah, I'll try 2008 | 17:35 |
| aquatix | Navi_: ah, got it :) | 17:35 |
| aquatix | hrw: computer file right? | 17:36 |
| aquatix | http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File | 17:36 |
| aquatix | `archivio' | 17:36 |
| Paulius | archivio is archive | 17:36 |
| Paulius | like ZIP or compressed or something | 17:36 |
| Navi_ | File works as file :P | 17:36 |
| aquatix | Paulius: and a file isn't an archive? | 17:36 |
| Paulius | Not in it's original sense | 17:37 |
| hrw | thx | 17:37 |
| Paulius | it could be, thouhg :-P | 17:37 |
| luogni | hrw, i think it's "File" (or can be archive, document, ... it depends on the context) | 17:37 |
| aquatix | myeah, more like a part of an archive | 17:37 |
| * johnx sits back to enjoy the arm-chair linguists... | 17:37 | |
| Navi_ | johnx: Join in, foo! | 17:37 |
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| aquatix | hrw: so, looks like the Italians use `file' for file too :) | 17:37 |
| aquatix | johnx: :) | 17:38 |
| hrw | thats why I asked | 17:38 |
| Navi_ | johnx: or at least give me money! | 17:38 |
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| johnx | Navi, ha! | 17:39 |
| Navi_ | :< | 17:39 |
| Navi_ | I wonder how much my friend paid for these headphones | 17:40 |
| aquatix | which? | 17:40 |
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| AStorm | dammit, almost flashed ;P | 17:40 |
| atka_ | hello | 17:40 |
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| Navi_ | Googled it | 17:40 |
| Navi_ | He paid US$10 | 17:41 |
| Navi_ | Panasonic RP-HS43 | 17:41 |
| Navi_ | Midtones are decent for it's price | 17:41 |
| aquatix | ah, those | 17:41 |
| Navi_ | Ever use them? | 17:42 |
| AStorm | I'll leave it hanging for a while, I think charging is done still, automatically | 17:42 |
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| AStorm | but my wimpy charger doesn't manage to pull it off | 17:42 |
| Atarii | Paulius my advice with 2008he is to install "becomeroot" as soon as its flashed, then "mv metalayer-crawler metalayer-crawler.disabled" | 17:42 |
| AStorm | the USB one though, has enough power | 17:42 |
| aquatix | Navi_: no, i have sennheiser px200 | 17:42 |
| AStorm | aquatix: ;) | 17:42 |
| aquatix | but i've seen them around | 17:42 |
| Paulius | what's that crawler thing? | 17:43 |
| Paulius | but thansks for advice | 17:43 |
| AStorm | Navi_: calling these decent... is a decorum violation ;P | 17:43 |
| johnx | Paulius, indexes your media files, sometimes goes crazy | 17:43 |
| Atarii | something which searches for media, but its maxes out the cpu to 100% | 17:43 |
| Navi_ | AStorm: :/ | 17:43 |
| Paulius | ah yeah | 17:43 |
| Paulius | stupid | 17:43 |
| Atarii | so changing the name of it stops that | 17:43 |
| aquatix | Atarii: does mediaplayer still get up to date afterwards? | 17:44 |
| AStorm | oh, it... BOOTED | 17:44 |
| acydlord | hmm, apparently the city i moved to has a pretty big geocache crowd | 17:44 |
| AStorm | almost | 17:44 |
| aquatix | AStorm: it's ALIVE! *couch* | 17:44 |
| AStorm | got to the "adv boot menu" prompt | 17:44 |
| Atarii | good question :p | 17:44 |
| Navi_ | I have a set of Panasonic RP-HC500s | 17:44 |
| Atarii | i havnt added media to try it yet | 17:44 |
| AStorm | so something has been written | 17:44 |
| AStorm | "Booting from flasg..." | 17:44 |
| AStorm | and now I got that charging screen, good | 17:44 |
| AStorm | now, let's leave it like that for a few hours | 17:45 |
| aquatix | Navi_: those look quite decent | 17:45 |
| aquatix | more expensive than mine i guess :P | 17:45 |
| AStorm | ok, crashed ;P | 17:45 |
| Navi_ | I like 'em | 17:45 |
| Navi_ | Spent around 90 on them | 17:45 |
| * aquatix likes his px200 | 17:45 | |
| AStorm | but now booted quicker | 17:45 |
| aquatix | foldable even | 17:45 |
| AStorm | it's starting to *LIVE*... | 17:45 |
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| Navi_ | *LIVE*?????? | 17:46 |
| Navi_ | ZOMG | 17:46 |
| AStorm | the initrd flash wasn't complete it seems | 17:46 |
| aquatix | it gained consciousness | 17:46 |
| AStorm | but I'll let it charge some | 17:46 |
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| Paulius | uhh | 17:47 |
| Paulius | I was asking about the MMC card | 17:47 |
| Atarii | ? | 17:48 |
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| johnx | asking what about the mmc card? | 17:48 |
| AStorm | good, it's stabilising... | 17:48 |
| AStorm | it seems to be charging all right | 17:48 |
| AStorm | :-) | 17:49 |
| AStorm | the patient should live | 17:49 |
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| trickie_ | AStorm: awesome | 17:49 |
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| AStorm | need to buy one AC-4E | 17:50 |
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| AStorm | or better | 17:50 |
| AStorm | all are rated at 890mA anyway ;P | 17:50 |
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| AStorm | better still, I should buy one and then use the spare plug to build a better charger | 17:52 |
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| AStorm | and/or that battery pack | 17:52 |
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| AStorm | btw, N can accept 6V just fine | 17:54 |
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| AStorm | they must have a fairly nice power regulator inside | 17:54 |
| aquatix | AStorm: experience? :) | 17:54 |
| AStorm | aquatix: yes, cheap charger ;P | 17:54 |
| AStorm | measured it at 6V | 17:55 |
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| AStorm | but I think that high load causes it to drop voltage | 17:55 |
| AStorm | I suspect Nokia uses the same chip I found, that Maxim, it's very popular in cell-phone applications | 17:56 |
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| AStorm | that has a range of 1,2V to 6V, but it will only provide enough current for N to work at least at 4,5V | 17:57 |
| Paulius | uhhm | 17:57 |
| Paulius | I think my sound spotted working on OS 2008HE | 17:57 |
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| AStorm | I sense a kernel failure ;) | 17:58 |
| Paulius | should I be agraid? | 17:58 |
| Paulius | *afraid | 17:58 |
| AStorm | no | 17:58 |
| Atarii | no its a bug, shouldve mentioned that | 17:58 |
| AStorm | mhm | 17:58 |
| AStorm | fixable? | 17:58 |
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| Atarii | dunno | 17:58 |
| AStorm | I need to get that scratchbox done after I build the kernel | 17:59 |
| AStorm | or... or maybe Gentoo | 17:59 |
| Paulius | well hmm, weird. | 17:59 |
| AStorm | it should be possible to run wifi using that cheap hack DSME | 17:59 |
| AStorm | and BME too | 17:59 |
| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 | 17:59 |
| AStorm | then add a cfg80211 -> Dbus proggie | 17:59 |
| hrw | AStorm: which hack? | 18:00 |
| AStorm | which I'll write | 18:00 |
| AStorm | in Python. | 18:00 |
| hrw | ah | 18:00 |
| hrw | python? :( | 18:00 |
| AStorm | why not? | 18:00 |
| AStorm | I could rewrite in C later on | 18:00 |
| hrw | AStorm: takes precious rootfs space ;) | 18:01 |
| AStorm | why does that need to be on rootfs? | 18:01 |
| AStorm | ;P | 18:01 |
| hrw | I am grown on zaurus sl-5500 which had 14MB for rootfs | 18:01 |
| AStorm | it's user-space | 18:01 |
| AStorm | you can put it anywhere | 18:01 |
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| Paulius | 2008he is very very slow | 18:01 |
| Paulius | I hope it's because of that indexing thing | 18:01 |
| AStorm | some, yes | 18:01 |
| AStorm | but it's just heavier too | 18:01 |
| plb | yay on xchat on my n810 =) | 18:02 |
| AStorm | plb: sloooooow you are | 18:02 |
| AStorm | ;) | 18:02 |
| plb | lol | 18:02 |
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| hrw | ~xchat-maemo | 18:02 |
| infobot | somebody said xchat-maemo was X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon | 18:02 |
| AStorm | yep | 18:02 |
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| plb | well I just got it | 18:02 |
| AStorm | good for you | 18:02 |
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| hrw | Paulius: 2007he was slow so nothing strange that 2008he is slow too | 18:02 |
| AStorm | I'd love to see the patches that guy added | 18:03 |
| AStorm | then improve on them | 18:03 |
| Paulius | hmm well damn | 18:03 |
| AStorm | e.g. provide kinetic scrolling | 18:03 |
| Paulius | I think I'll need to go back to 2006 | 18:03 |
| Paulius | I can't stand this... | 18:03 |
| Atarii | 2008he is the faster os on my 770 | 18:03 |
| AStorm | Paulius: just disable non-essential services | 18:03 |
| Paulius | I don't like the fact that even the onscreen keyboard is lagging | 18:03 |
| Atarii | Paulius do the metacrawler thing | 18:03 |
| Paulius | AStorm: How? | 18:03 |
| Paulius | I'm right now entering my WPA key | 18:03 |
| AStorm | Paulius: /etc/rc.*/something | 18:03 |
| Paulius | to get on the net to get gainroot | 18:03 |
| atkarc | Hello | 18:03 |
| AStorm | you can drop the metalayer crawler that way | 18:03 |
| AStorm | medialib-crawler or wtfit'scalled | 18:04 |
| AStorm | atkarc: hi | 18:04 |
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| kaatis | say "update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove" as root | 18:05 |
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| AStorm | yup | 18:06 |
| AStorm | or just rm it from proper rc.<number> | 18:06 |
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| AStorm | Juhaz: no one locks the phones, for some reason | 18:54 |
| Paulius | oh man... new GAME | 18:55 |
| Paulius | WOOT | 18:55 |
| Paulius | oh my god... it's tetris | 18:55 |
| Paulius | I'll be spending hours on this | 18:55 |
| AStorm | heh | 18:55 |
| term-sig | oh, one more question guys.. | 18:55 |
| AStorm | then don't even try gemrb | 18:55 |
| Paulius | what's that? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | (ah, that won't work on SU-18) | 18:56 |
| AStorm | Paulius: Baldur's Gate 2 engine | 18:56 |
| AStorm | open version | 18:56 |
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| AStorm | and especially don't try out these console emulators | 18:57 |
| Paulius | the sound problem is ticking me off | 18:57 |
| term-sig | anyone get any solution for accessig emails on exchange excluding webrowser? | 18:57 |
| Paulius | it also takes a while to get into the sound settings panel | 18:57 |
| Paulius | and the funny thing is that I can hear some sounds | 18:57 |
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| Paulius | when I close windows | 18:58 |
| Paulius | and the bootup sound | 18:58 |
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| Paulius | web browser very slow... | 18:59 |
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| johnx | Paulius, no way to get around that. It's not that fast on the n800 either... | 19:02 |
| Paulius | hmmm | 19:02 |
| Paulius | Well it's not that bad when it's actually loaded. | 19:02 |
| Paulius | What I care is stability. | 19:02 |
| Paulius | Opera on 770 used to crash me A LOT. | 19:02 |
| Paulius | If this thing doesn't crash, it's worth the reduction in speed | 19:02 |
| johnx | Paulius, did you ever apply the wifi memory corruption fix on OS2006? | 19:03 |
| Paulius | I didn't apply anything. | 19:03 |
| Paulius | I just know that it had the latest version | 19:03 |
| Paulius | I checked the version of 2006 | 19:03 |
| johnx | well, that would definitely be part of the problem... | 19:03 |
| johnx | not to say that it will make everything perfect, but it would have certainly helped | 19:03 |
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| Paulius | Well I got OS 2008 now | 19:04 |
| Paulius | I'm as happy as a pig in plop | 19:04 |
| johnx | good to hear | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | anybody knows what is new in today's Personal Menu update? | 19:10 |
| Proteous | free haircuts I hear | 19:11 |
| Paulius | lol | 19:11 |
| AStorm | new icon? ;P | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | shows the same icon =) | 19:12 |
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| ssvb | hi, can anybody help with getting such video sample? https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2371&group_id=54&atid=272 | 19:24 |
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| johnx | wow...haven't been keeping up with personal-menu updates. That looks awesome... | 19:28 |
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| Atarii | got a link johnx? | 19:28 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19360 | 19:29 |
| Atarii | cheers | 19:29 |
| johnx | :) | 19:29 |
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| AStorm | btw, does someone have the root= address of the fourth chip? | 19:31 |
| AStorm | you know, the normal rootfs one | 19:31 |
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| AStorm | want to move initfs there in the future | 19:32 |
| johnx | AStorm, is it printed in the kernel boot messages? | 19:33 |
| AStorm | hmm, maybe | 19:33 |
| AStorm | but it's still charging ;) | 19:33 |
| johnx | http://pastebin.com/m5832c561 | 19:33 |
| johnx | does that look helpful? | 19:33 |
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| AStorm | how does that translate to root=1f08 option? | 19:34 |
| AStorm | (for initfs) | 19:34 |
| johnx | no clue | 19:34 |
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| pupnik | heh all the kids are curious about internet tablets | 19:45 |
| pupnik | "whoah that looks cool" | 19:45 |
| AStorm | yup | 19:46 |
| AStorm | never ever give it to a girl | 19:46 |
| AStorm | you won't be able to recover it for an hour | 19:46 |
| pupnik | yeah i was at a family thing yesterday and the only thing that stopped em was low battery | 19:46 |
| pupnik | btw numpty physics needs an easier level set for kids | 19:47 |
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| unixSnob | I've found that girls tend to be fascinated with the video phone feature | 19:57 |
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| * unixSnob thinks a good ad campaign for Nokia would be to give a free NIT w/ gizmoproject accts to two kids in every class - it will quickly become a must have to the other children | 19:58 | |
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| pupnik | Kids seem to be more interested in the newer type games and stuff. But parents might be interested in a portable device that's not so optimized towards games. | 20:00 |
| pupnik | So 'here's your awesome portable thingamabob. It can play some games, but it's better for internet, drawing, mails, communication etc' | 20:00 |
| unixSnob | perhaps boys.. I think girls are more interested in communication than games | 20:01 |
| Mousey | mmm, girl gamers... | 20:01 |
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| pupnik | Maybe, my 6 year old daughter-of-cousin was kicking butt in mario on NDS yesterday. | 20:01 |
| adam_ | has someone already compiled the wii mote drivers for the n800 2008 os? | 20:02 |
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| johnx | adam_, of course :) | 20:05 |
| adam_ | is it in the repository | 20:06 |
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| johnx | it's on itt | 20:07 |
| johnx | google wiimote n800, and it's the first result | 20:07 |
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| pupnik | wb qwerty12 | 20:08 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik, hi | 20:09 |
| adam_ | johnx: cool | 20:09 |
| konttori | adam_ there is a python script that handles the wiimotes perfectly | 20:10 |
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| konttori | Done by a spanish guy | 20:11 |
| konttori | really nice and easy to use | 20:11 |
| konttori | As it happens, I'm just about to make it even easier to use. | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Can someone save me from reflashing and send me a copy of their "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon" folder please? :( | 20:11 |
| pupnik | is anybody really using the wiimote for anytihng? konttori ? | 20:11 |
| johnx | qwerty12, tar.gz to an email address ok? or can I just rsync it right to your tablet? | 20:12 |
| pupnik | mine is pretty customized qwerty12 | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, tar.gz is fine, mind if I PM you email? | 20:12 |
| johnx | sure | 20:12 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik, thanks :) | 20:13 |
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| lcuk2 | can we get at the mii's from the wiimote? | 20:20 |
| tank-man | af-sb-init.sh: command not found <-- where can I find this script? | 20:21 |
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| towo | There's tools for that, lcuk2, IIRC. | 20:21 |
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| lcuk2 | cool | 20:22 |
| lcuk2 | tank-man, depending on what you have done, i would say you are: not logged in correctly to your scratchbox, have selected a target which has been "reset" or you have simply b0rken your box | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | you shouldnt have to just get hold of the script on its own | 20:23 |
| lcuk2 | (as far as i know anyway) | 20:23 |
| tank-man | ok, i'll try going over what i did | 20:24 |
| lcuk2 | did it work correctly earlier? | 20:26 |
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| pupnik | hmm rick astley does have a good voice | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | rick rolled? :p | 20:27 |
| pupnik | yeah, again | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | have you seen the muppet one? | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | with beaker singing :D | 20:27 |
| pupnik | no, linky | 20:27 |
| qwerty12 | I've never actually been rick rolled because I keep my volume off and all the rick rolls aren't the video :/ | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw | 20:27 |
| lcuk2 | muppets ^ | 20:28 |
| lcuk2 | sync is impressive | 20:28 |
| pupnik | wow well done | 20:28 |
| joe_mid | awesome! | 20:28 |
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| qwerty12 | Bye. | 20:33 |
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| konttori | pupnik: Here again! | 21:14 |
| konttori | I just managed to streamline the wiimote process... Stay tuned for a deb... | 21:14 |
| konttori | It's now basically like this: You run the python script. It asks you to press 1+2 on wiimote. | 21:15 |
| AStorm | all the wiitards unite! ;) | 21:15 |
| konttori | You click that. And.... tadat. it's mapped to your device. | 21:15 |
| konttori | dpad works as it should, a, b work nicely, + - work, 1 opens system menu 2 open app menu | 21:15 |
| konttori | .... and it's easy to configure | 21:16 |
| Mousey | wtf | 21:16 |
| konttori | Now, for you pupnik, this should be so great to map to the emus | 21:16 |
| Mousey | wiimote for maemo?! | 21:16 |
| AStorm | yup | 21:16 |
| konttori | Most of the work has been done by other people. I just made it now a little bit easier to use. | 21:16 |
| Mousey | ye godz | 21:16 |
| konttori | If anyone wants to try immediately, let me know. | 21:17 |
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| konttori | I don't have any gui, so I have build that and then do the packaging. | 21:17 |
| pupnik | konttori: very cool.. | 21:17 |
| konttori | So, I can put the code to pastebin, but otherwise, I'll focus on that for the next hour. | 21:17 |
| pupnik | you do many nice things | 21:17 |
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| pupnik | i can not integrate your work. i can link to it if you want | 21:18 |
| * Mousey doesn't have a wiimote | 21:18 | |
| pupnik | welcoem back unique311 | 21:18 |
| pupnik | long time no talk | 21:18 |
| unique311 | hello | 21:18 |
| Mousey | ...speaking of | 21:19 |
| unique311 | been working on a notebook. | 21:19 |
| konttori | It's basically mapping the stuff as X events | 21:19 |
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| Mousey | ...does anyone know how to get "Mapper" to work with the internal GPS on the 810? i got it working with "maemo mapper", but the same method doesn't work with Mapper | 21:19 |
| konttori | ok. I'm now digging into the UI code. See you guys in 0.5 to 1 hour | 21:19 |
| Mousey | konttori: ty! | 21:20 |
| AStorm | Mousey: you mean Map application or what? | 21:20 |
| Mousey | AStorm: i mean "Mapper" which is apparently a fork of "Maemo Mapper" | 21:20 |
| AStorm | huh | 21:20 |
| AStorm | use GPS bluetooth device | 21:20 |
| AStorm | and not gpsd | 21:20 |
| Mousey | yah | 21:20 |
| Mousey | but | 21:20 |
| Mousey | it doesn't find it | 21:20 |
| Mousey | it wants to scan for it | 21:20 |
| Mousey | or some nonsense | 21:20 |
| AStorm | weird | 21:20 |
| Mousey | i mean | 21:20 |
| AStorm | how does this Mapper differ from Maemo Mapper? | 21:21 |
| Mousey | i know leaving the MAC blank works for Maemo Mapper | 21:21 |
| Mousey | AStorm: i'd love to find out.. the graphics are prettier, there are more options.. but i can't get it to see the GPS so i can't tell beyond that | 21:21 |
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| webustany | hi there | 21:29 |
| webustany | I'm beginning with osso, hildon and friends, and was wondering how you can get a "native" look for your apps. For example, I have a treeview, but it doesn't look at all like the fileview in the file browser | 21:30 |
| webustany | it looks like a standard themed gtk treeview... | 21:30 |
| fysa | What's a good example of a well-maintained open source project? | 21:31 |
| fysa | That uses community tools for patch management/discussion. | 21:32 |
| AStorm | like, uhm, bugzilla? | 21:32 |
| AStorm | or trac? | 21:32 |
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| AStorm | What do you expect from a well-maintained oss project? | 21:32 |
| fysa | trac is good -- but was hoping someone here had worked/dug into a project that for example used trac well to manage itself. | 21:33 |
| AStorm | Try Xorg :> | 21:33 |
| AStorm | No, just kidding. | 21:33 |
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| elb | Pidgin uses trac | 21:35 |
| elb | and we like it | 21:35 |
| AStorm | good example | 21:35 |
| elb | as to whether or not we're well-managed, that's open for debate ;-) | 21:35 |
| fysa | thanks elb | 21:36 |
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| plb | hm any new yorkers have an extra stylus for the n810 ;] | 21:49 |
| konttori | 1st UI ready. | 21:49 |
| plb | they are willing to part with | 21:49 |
| plb | hehe | 21:49 |
| konttori | (bad one though) | 21:49 |
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| konttori | pupnik: Any recommendations for the 1+2 keys? | 21:56 |
| konttori | I'll create the first version without user modifiable layout (or two premade layouts) | 21:57 |
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| pupnik | konttori: no | 21:59 |
| konttori | landscape or portrait? | 21:59 |
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| konttori | Do you btw have a wiimote? | 21:59 |
| konttori | (as in, is there any reason to ask you) | 21:59 |
| unique311 | i use the wiimote with the n800 a couple of times | 22:00 |
| unique311 | cwiid | 22:00 |
| unique311 | works really good | 22:00 |
| konttori | You should still love this new script. So easy to use. Two python scripts. No hassle. Easy to configure. Outputs X events, so all apps work with it. | 22:01 |
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| unique311 | i tried it. | 22:02 |
| pupnik | i do not konttori. i have no interest. make the buttons mappable | 22:02 |
| unique311 | is there a new release out? | 22:02 |
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| konttori | I'll make the buttons mappable. Just not today. | 22:03 |
| unique311 | kontorri, link? | 22:03 |
| konttori | Well, I'm making a nice and easy to use version of the wiicontrol with GUI now. | 22:03 |
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| konttori | It's almost there now. I can put a test version for you now if you want. (or better yet, email it to you ... what's your email?) | 22:04 |
| unique311 | unique11210 (a) gmail.com | 22:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Do you mean that wiicontrol script by jldiaz? | 22:06 |
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| pupnik | "people use drugs to prevent death. people use drugs because death is inevitable." - Arnim Sauerbier | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | quoting yourself? | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:09 |
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| unique311 | lol | 22:10 |
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| konttori | qwerty12_N800: Yeah, it's a derivative of that. | 22:15 |
| konttori | No need to manually run the discovery, change the source code to contain the mac and has a UI | 22:16 |
| konttori | (and desktop file) | 22:16 |
| fysa | very cool | 22:16 |
| * lardman is confused | 22:16 | |
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| * konttori will now try packaged version once, then sends it to unique311 | 22:20 | |
| unique311 | thank ya kindly | 22:21 |
| konttori | np! It's going to be: a) ugly and b) swamped with issues when you get it. Should be much nicer tomorrow. However, it's working already (which is nice) | 22:22 |
| lardman | any TLB experts about? | 22:22 |
| lardman | TBL even | 22:22 |
| AStorm | ok, my N810 works | 22:22 |
| AStorm | still charging though | 22:22 |
| AStorm | I won't experiment from now on w/o a full charge | 22:22 |
| konttori | I need to move it to threaded model and gtk main loop. | 22:22 |
| konttori | and that takes a bit time. | 22:22 |
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| AStorm | and add some fresh new bugs? | 22:24 |
| lcuk2 | i thought bugs were the special sauce you pour over all new code | 22:24 |
| lardman | is Gregale the last non-Hackers' edition release for the 770? | 22:25 |
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| fysa | do gestures work, konttori? | 22:25 |
| AStorm | yes, OS2007 | 22:25 |
| fysa | i.e., twist/tilt/accelerate left/right? | 22:25 |
| konttori | fysa: nope, but they should be *relatively* easy to implement. | 22:26 |
| konttori | I'll just start with buttons. | 22:26 |
| fysa | oh, and the remote speaker would be cool. | 22:26 |
| konttori | Then comes the more complex stuff. | 22:26 |
| fysa | :) | 22:26 |
| lcuk2 | everytime i try to use the wiimote with my 810 it gets some of the way along, but the sensor bar keeps falling off the top | 22:26 |
| fysa | haha | 22:27 |
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| AStorm | hehe | 22:27 |
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| lardman | AStorm: is that the same as maemo3.0? I really can't remember | 22:27 |
| AStorm | probably | 22:27 |
| MangoFusion | sounds like a hardware mod is in order | 22:27 |
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| fysa | plug N800 into stereo receiver, then use wiimote twitch to skip tracks/rotate to change volume, and speak the currently playing track through the Wiimote speaker. ;) | 22:27 |
| * lardman looks for the old tutorial | 22:27 | |
| MangoFusion | bring on the LED's! | 22:27 |
| AStorm | there's a page about that | 22:28 |
| fysa | I should probably just take another bong hit. | 22:28 |
| AStorm | or two? | 22:29 |
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| fysa | I need to become independently wealthy so I can pay people to do these 'what if ..' projects for me. | 22:29 |
| konttori | I'm using wiimote.py by Will Woods. | 22:30 |
| konttori | It has rumble, gyro support, | 22:30 |
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| konttori | ir tracking support | 22:30 |
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| konttori | doesnt seem to have the sound support though | 22:32 |
| lcuk2 | fysa, world domination is overrated. once you get there you still want more and eventually discover its the trying which is important. | 22:32 |
| fysa | this is correct. as soon as something is working/the norm, I am almost immediately disinterested. | 22:33 |
| fysa | but I need an army. | 22:34 |
| lardman | fysa: a man after my own heart | 22:34 |
| lardman | if everything worked straight out of the box it would be boring | 22:35 |
| AStorm | Eris Discordia, anyone? ;) | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174 | 22:36 |
| RST38h | who said world domination is overrated? | 22:36 |
| RST38h | did you try? | 22:36 |
| fysa | haha | 22:36 |
| KotCzarny | which world? | 22:36 |
| fysa | my problem is that the coolest ideas aren't necessarily the profitable ideas. | 22:36 |
| AStorm | yes, maybe except Wii | 22:37 |
| AStorm | ;P | 22:37 |
| fysa | thus if I do all of them, my wife will leave me and I will become .. independently poor. | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Kot: This one. We will discuss other worlds ater reaching this milestone. | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | people are b0rken | 22:37 |
| fysa | setup a basecamp | 22:37 |
| RST38h | fysa: But think of the triumph for the open source! | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | what's the fun of controlling world of people | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Kot: You can kill them off. | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Or make them build pyramids. | 22:38 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Or make them build rockets and fly into outer space. | 22:38 |
| AStorm | and have a space war | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Not necessarily | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | space war takes too long | 22:38 |
| AStorm | nah, that would be quite fun ;P | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | for human life | 22:38 |
| RST38h | naval warfare is more fun | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | stick and stone is more fun | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | but because submarines and missiles are so effective, you would have to start by creating a rigid code of conduct for naval warfare | 22:39 |
| RST38h | same for space war, actually | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have to after having one | 22:39 |
| RST38h | That is why they had New Busido in Hyperion Cantos | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Kot: Oh, the whole idea is to do it again and again | 22:40 |
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| RST38h | The whole mutual destruction idea is only 50+ years old | 22:40 |
| AStorm | RST38h: well? why? Space is so immense, even without a code it'd be fun. | 22:40 |
| AStorm | and not slaughter | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Actually, the occupation idea is only 100 years old | 22:41 |
| RST38h | AStorm: ships are too frgile | 22:41 |
| RST38h | One good hit - and it is done for | 22:41 |
| AStorm | add some shielding system | 22:41 |
| AStorm | ah, wait, you'd have to command people to do science | 22:41 |
| AStorm | ;P | 22:41 |
| RST38h | And you can just as well use automated weaponry, with so many variables in space | 22:41 |
| RST38h | No, no | 22:42 |
| fysa | What if we conquered the universe out to the edges, and then ran into an all-encompassing nebula of salty seawater and were forced to build a new fleet of Seapace super carriers and battleships to pillage space pirates for their space booty and space bucks? | 22:42 |
| AStorm | low-speed warfare would be like aerial | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | if you use automated weaponry why not just playing wow or something? | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Nothing to do with science. It is too expensive to put big weights in orbit, and also expensive to accelerate them | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Kot; ñÂÒßÅÄÌ | 22:42 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/hillary_and_hillarie.jpg | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Exactly | 22:42 |
| AStorm | RST38h: currently | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have cyryllic font :) | 22:42 |
| RST38h | So, to make things real fun, you would have to have a code of conduct | 22:43 |
| RST38h | Kot: Sorry, wrong register | 22:43 |
| AStorm | pupnik: creepy | 22:43 |
| NullM0dem | clones | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | double creepy | 22:43 |
| RST38h | The robowoman | 22:43 |
| AStorm | oh, why clones | 22:43 |
| AStorm | yes, ROBOTS :> | 22:43 |
| fysa | haha | 22:43 |
| AStorm | simulated warfare, but real ;P | 22:43 |
| pupnik | tits | 22:44 |
| sp3000 | space tits? | 22:44 |
| AStorm | pupnik: yes, so? the face makes it creepy | 22:44 |
| pupnik | yes. | 22:44 |
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| * sp3000 swoops in with an all-encompassing synthesis | 22:44 | |
| KotCzarny | one body, two heads? | 22:45 |
| pupnik | the photoshop nerds can go stuff themselves. you can do stuff with gimp | 22:45 |
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| * KotCzarny shrugs | 22:45 | |
| RST38h | robowoman vs. faux-negro vs. old zoldat | 22:45 |
| fysa | The Uncanny Valley, demonstrated. | 22:45 |
| pupnik | i won't repeat your comments here KotCzarny | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:45 |
| konttori | unique311: sent! | 22:45 |
| unique311 | cool | 22:46 |
| lcuk2 | it doesnt sound the same if you gimp yourself | 22:46 |
| RST38h | The funny thing is, while the first two are beating on each other, the third wins. | 22:46 |
| pupnik | wank to hillary | 22:47 |
| webustany | how can I get the same look for the apps I develop and the native apps ? For example, scrollbars for apps I develop are stock GTK, whereas the scrollbars in the file manager or in the web browser are "skinned"... | 22:48 |
| AStorm | ok, we need rtorrent on the tablet | 22:48 |
| AStorm | ;> | 22:48 |
| konttori | Damn! key binding error. | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | the old saying is once black is president of us it's the end of the world | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:48 |
| webustany | AStorm: you got transmission... | 22:48 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, that was about the pope | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | i have heard it with us-prezi version too | 22:48 |
| AStorm | webustany: nah | 22:48 |
| konttori | I'll resend the deb to you | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Kot: Do black cats count? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | cats have religion and authorities in sandtray | 22:50 |
| lcuk2 | cats worship a god called Clister | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | sandbox i mean | 22:51 |
| konttori | hmm... key pressed event isn't working properly though. | 22:52 |
| AStorm | what do you recommend for me to install? | 22:52 |
| AStorm | :> | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:53 |
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| KotCzarny | i sense something | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | you all know about 42, right? | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | this can't be only a coincidence: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=42 | 22:54 |
| konttori | unique311: Did you try it out? | 22:54 |
| {abo} | Hi all :) | 22:54 |
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| unique311 | installing it | 22:56 |
| lcuk2 | {abo} hi | 22:56 |
| unique311 | had to find the mote | 22:56 |
| konttori | Oh man. It's working really really sweet. | 22:56 |
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| {abo} | I got a new N810. It charged one or two cycles, but then stopped charging. Anyone have any ideas what to do, besides returning it? | 22:56 |
| kpel | hello | 22:56 |
| konttori | I was just testing the image viewer. Works beautifully. | 22:56 |
| {abo} | It was still on, so the battery wasn't dead, when I connected the charger. I watched it die... | 22:56 |
| konttori | There should be a page up page down binding for convenient browsing. | 22:57 |
| lcuk2 | abo, take the battery out. put it back in again (so device is 100% switched off..) then make sure charger is plugged into wall and switched on and then plug into 810 | 22:57 |
| {abo} | (I tried asking in #nokia-tablet first. Thanks hfwilke. :) ) | 22:57 |
| {abo} | lcuk2: Tried that, kept the battery out 5 minutes. | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | abo, you were using the standard nokia charger werent u? ie the one for your country? | 22:58 |
| {abo} | (And charged disconnected too) | 22:58 |
| {abo} | Yup | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | tried a different socket? | 22:58 |
| {abo} | That too :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | diff charger? | 22:59 |
| {abo} | Don't have one at hand, but I can look for one. | 22:59 |
| lcuk2 | i think you might be looking at an rma anyway, especially since you saw it go off - there was no magic smoke was there? | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | multimeter? | 22:59 |
| {abo} | The blue smoke is still inside it. :) | 23:00 |
| {abo} | Yeah, I guess it's an RMA. Doh. | 23:00 |
| lcuk2 | if you bought it from a brick store you could get lucky if you ask to check it with an instore charger | 23:01 |
| lcuk2 | or ask around friends | 23:01 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:01 |
| AStorm | where do I get that LMS plugin for Vorbis? | 23:02 |
| NullM0dem | is it unsafe practice to plug in charger while n810 i powerd on, most handheld helds i have onwed can be used while charging... | 23:02 |
| AStorm | I have ogg-support 0.6 | 23:02 |
| AStorm | NullM0dem: no, it's very safe | 23:02 |
| {abo} | Yeah, I'll find another charger. :) | 23:02 |
| {abo} | Thanks lcuk2 and others. | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | only charging can be slower if you use it | 23:02 |
| lcuk2 | NullM0dem, mines in and out all the time (ive got 2 - one at bedside and one near computer) and they just plug as i sitdown | 23:02 |
| AStorm | ok, again | 23:03 |
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| AStorm | where do I get proper ogg-support? | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | the only thing i would recommend is give that initial charge as long as possible. give yourself at least some time to read the getting started before even attempting to switch on | 23:03 |
| unique311 | kontorri, it works over here.. | 23:03 |
| {abo} | Heh, I let mine charge fully before I even switched it on. Look where that got me! *chuckles* | 23:04 |
| lcuk2 | lol abo, shurrup - you have static hands. | 23:04 |
| lardman | Has anyone here compiled a kernel for the n800? | 23:04 |
| {abo} | :D | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | probably most of us | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | (@lardman) | 23:04 |
| * lcuk2 hasnt | 23:04 | |
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| Atarii | let me guess, you had some "Private time" whilst it charged? | 23:04 |
| Atarii | and "worked up some static" ? | 23:05 |
| lardman | I see it's trying to use nokia_2420_defconfig, rather than something with n800 in the name. Is that normal? | 23:05 |
| {abo} | Atarii: :P I was at work... | 23:05 |
| Atarii | i bet you were | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know, i used make n800_defconfig or similiar to generate .config | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | then i went to make menuconfig | 23:05 |
| lardman | I was just trying dpkg-buildpackage with the defaults | 23:06 |
| lcuk2 | Spandex and nokias do not like each other. the buildup of crass inteferes with the electronics | 23:06 |
| fysa | oh, next time someone compiles a kernel .. pretty please try to enable md w/all raid levels. I wouldn't mind playing with that.. ;) | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. package? | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | will it flash the kernel when installed? | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:06 |
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| Atarii | Display stays lit > When charging does not seem to work in 2008he | 23:07 |
| fysa | I want to see if I can take a 5-drive USB enclosure and use an N800 as a RAID server (linux software raid) | 23:07 |
| lardman | KotCzarny: you never know; it might make a source deb though :-p | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | source deb? o.O | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | that would be an overkill for my 128kbit uplink | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:07 |
| lardman | with that said, it complained about too many files open or something like that | 23:08 |
| lardman | hmm, arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-camera.c:204: error: `tcm825x_regs_rx44' undeclared (first use in this function) | 23:08 |
| lardman | rx44 sounds vaguely like a new model | 23:08 |
| lcuk2 | mine 44 | 23:09 |
| lcuk2 | n810 | 23:09 |
| lardman | oh, shame | 23:09 |
| lcuk2 | ug! jeesus i might try grammar | 23:09 |
| lardman | :) | 23:09 |
| fysa | does the N800 have a full-speed N800 interface? | 23:09 |
| fysa | .. | 23:09 |
| fysa | sorry, full-speed USB interface. | 23:09 |
| fysa | haha | 23:09 |
| lcuk2 | seems like caveman is contagious | 23:09 |
| fysa | haha | 23:10 |
| NullM0dem | lcuk2: Im going to let it initially charge for about 8 hours, Im still waiting on my n810, I orderd from newegg and they shippe dit out of ontario CA, its been sitting thier according to ups tracking for 3 days :( | 23:10 |
| timelyx | fysa: usb1 or usb2? :) | 23:10 |
| * timelyx is pretty sure it's full speed usb1 ;-) | 23:10 | |
| KotCzarny | usually in less than optimal brain operating conditions | 23:10 |
| fysa | [ 647.438598] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using musb_hdrc and address 8 | 23:10 |
| lcuk2 | they could charge it up for you whilst its sitting there | 23:11 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 23:11 |
| solmumaha | hmmm, device froze and after reboot sdhc card was dead :( hope it's not completely gone | 23:11 |
| konttori | unique311: Great to hear that (I've been testing on diablo - so wasn't sure all the BT stuff would be the same) | 23:12 |
| NullM0dem | b*st**ds | 23:12 |
| AStorm | where do I get lightmediascanner-ogg? | 23:12 |
| * lardman sees that his questions have already been answered, the wonders of Google | 23:12 | |
| Jaffa | re | 23:12 |
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| KotCzarny | solmumaha: n810 ? | 23:14 |
| konttori | I wonder how the SDL could be convinced to also accept the input | 23:14 |
| solmumaha | n800 | 23:14 |
| lcuk2 | sdl runs ontop of x i think | 23:14 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:14 |
| lcuk2 | at least on this device | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | can be bad contacts | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | if it doesn't work try reinserting? | 23:15 |
| lcuk2 | take it out, blow on the contacts and try again | 23:15 |
| solmumaha | no, even switched slots | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | usb card reader? | 23:15 |
| solmumaha | can't reformat it, but it detects it | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | uh. | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:16 |
| lcuk2 | theres like kot, but not as we know it | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | what fs you had on it? | 23:16 |
| lcuk2 | life ffs | 23:16 |
| konttori | lcuk2: But it seems that the events are not handled in the same manner | 23:16 |
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| konttori | I suppose it needs the up and down events of the keys. | 23:17 |
| solmumaha | n800 that is, haven't tried usb | 23:17 |
| solmumaha | default fat | 23:17 |
| * konttori will have to improve on that regard - games are where this babes at | 23:17 | |
| solmumaha | less than month old card | 23:17 |
| lcuk2 | konttori, not sure if its the right direction, but have you considered using the same method the raw mouse pressure stuff works? | 23:17 |
| konttori | what's that? | 23:18 |
| konttori | any examples? | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | ill find link | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | solmumaha, if it's only vfat corruption then it's relatively ok, worse if it's a badblock | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | but still solvable | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:18 |
| solmumaha | yeah, must try tomorrow | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/ | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | it manages to insert non standard events into the standard x events list which apps can listen for | 23:20 |
| AStorm | blah,ran out of disk space | 23:21 |
| fysa | 16GB card arrived yesterday | 23:21 |
| AStorm | have to move all that to mmc | 23:21 |
| AStorm | the system, I mean | 23:21 |
| solmumaha | i so hope they fix this touchscreen double/triple click problem | 23:21 |
| fysa | time for unionfs? | 23:21 |
| * lcuk2 feels inadequate now, i just bought a 1GB card :( | 23:22 | |
| * KotCzarny has 4 and 8gb | 23:22 | |
| KotCzarny | 4 was a spare lying on the shelf | 23:22 |
| fysa | 16gb was down to $60 and the wife needed a card for her camera, so I scored an extra ;) | 23:22 |
| * solmumaha used to have too | 23:22 | |
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| |zeus| | morning | 23:23 |
| |zeus| | strange thing | 23:23 |
| AStorm | fysa: no, unionfs is suck | 23:23 |
| |zeus| | i have two mini sd cards | 23:23 |
| AStorm | time to move it to internal mmc | 23:23 |
| |zeus| | 512m pqi and 4gb kingston | 23:23 |
| |zeus| | pqi works fine with my n810 | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | i have mostly mp3 and maps on it though | 23:23 |
| |zeus| | but kingston doesn't work | 23:24 |
| lcuk2 | minisdHC i believe for larger cards | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | and cloned os | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | so 1gb will be more than enough :) | 23:24 |
| |zeus| | n810 doesn't support sdhc? | 23:24 |
| |zeus| | O_o | 23:24 |
| lcuk2 | DOES | 23:24 |
| Mousey | yea does, homey | 23:25 |
| |zeus| | so, why it can't recognize 4gb kingston card? | 23:26 |
| |zeus| | my laptop recognize it well | 23:26 |
| lcuk2 | i dunno, mail it to me i'll test it for you ;) | 23:26 |
| fysa | |zeus|, power down device, take battery out, put back in.. and retry. | 23:26 |
| Mousey | and unplug from usb | 23:27 |
| fysa | and hope that there was an issue with the mountpoint being locked by an old card.. | 23:27 |
| AStorm | grr | 23:28 |
| AStorm | "Unable to uninstall powerlaunch" | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | 0wned | 23:28 |
| AStorm | how to get rid of the damned thing? | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:28 |
| |zeus| | fysa: lock saved after reboot? | 23:28 |
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| fysa | reboots with power might just be an init down/back up? I don't know. | 23:29 |
| |zeus| | no | 23:29 |
| |zeus| | it doesn't work | 23:29 |
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| |zeus| | VERY strange | 23:29 |
| |zeus| | does anyone tried kingston cards with n8xx? | 23:29 |
| * KotCzarny has 2 kingston cards in n800 | 23:30 | |
| KotCzarny | 4 and 8gb | 23:30 |
| fysa | if it's kingston, it probably has a nice long warranty and can be RMA'd to try a different one ;) | 23:30 |
| Mousey | is there a menu entry for powerlaunch? | 23:30 |
| AStorm | I've one 1G | 23:31 |
| AStorm | works ok | 23:31 |
| |zeus| | fysa: yes, i'm already change one, but, again, it works fine with my laptop | 23:31 |
| * Mousey decides to rtfm | 23:32 | |
| konttori | yes. I'm on track to get the key up key down stuff working properly | 23:32 |
| fysa | are you using a 48mhz kernel? | 23:32 |
| konttori | thanks lcuk2 | 23:32 |
| lcuk2 | konttori, that was a viable direction? | 23:32 |
| konttori | well, it gave me an idea to try | 23:33 |
| lcuk2 | cool :D | 23:33 |
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| woodwizzle | I'm having some trouble. In the application manager, when I try to download anything nothing downloads. I tried refreshing the repos and it says it is downloading a 5kb file, the progress bar fills up and then it just waits | 23:36 |
| zakkm | Hi.. i was here yesterday and i wanted to try to update my nokia 770 to the new 2008HE and so i got the windows nokia installer. .but it says it cant find my nokia? but it shows USB connected on my nokia | 23:36 |
| lcuk2 | 500KB/s with ssh is quick isnt it? | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | regular for n8x0 | 23:36 |
| lcuk2 | zakkm, it is trying to find it in a Service/update mode. if its detected as USB its gone too far | 23:36 |
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| zakkm | ah | 23:36 |
| zakkm | so what should i do right now | 23:36 |
| lcuk2 | consider whether you want 2008he on your device... its testing only you understand and is not stable | 23:37 |
| zakkm | yeah i like risky stuff | 23:37 |
| zakkm | i use experimental / alpha / testing linux packages/distros all the time | 23:37 |
| zakkm | as long as it doesnt brick it im fine | 23:38 |
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| lcuk2 | does the nokia standard windows flasher actually update to 2008? | 23:40 |
| woodwizzle | is it possible that my apt sources are screwed up or something? | 23:40 |
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| fysa | http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html | 23:40 |
| zakkm | lcuk2: i dont know the guide on maemo said to download the bin .. which i did.. and the updater | 23:40 |
| lcuk2 | woodwizzle, its likely one or other of your repos are busted | 23:40 |
| zakkm | i guess ill be able to tell you soon? | 23:40 |
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| lcuk2 | zakkm, i believe the nokia updater gets the latest available public release for your device | 23:41 |
| zakkm | it asked for the bin seperately? | 23:41 |
| zakkm | for me to dl it? | 23:41 |
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| lcuk2 | the 2008he i would imagine will need the proper full customizable linux based flasher | 23:41 |
| zakkm | so wouldnt it use that bin i downloaded? | 23:41 |
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| lcuk2 | im not sure, all i know is how it worked for me with my 810 | 23:42 |
| zakkm | how do i get into this service/update mode you were talking about | 23:42 |
| lcuk2 | others might be more helpful | 23:42 |
| RST38h | ...Over the course of 4 months he and a friend constructed the rope using 18,500 condoms and a tried-and-true mathematical formula... | 23:42 |
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| woodwizzle | lcuk2: is there a quick way to figure our which one? | 23:42 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: exquisite - which formula? ;P | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | 18500? that's expensive | 23:43 |
| lcuk2 | but flexible | 23:43 |
| zakkm | AStorm , KotCzarny: do you remember me? | 23:43 |
| lcuk2 | woodwizzle, i guess you could dive into shell and try from there | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | zakkm: not really :) | 23:43 |
| AStorm | zakkm: maybe | 23:43 |
| zakkm | new guy to nokia 770 ? renceltly bought on ebay | 23:43 |
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| edugof | hi | 23:43 |
| zakkm | roughly idk 18 hours ago? | 23:43 |
| AStorm | so what? :> | 23:43 |
| lcuk2 | you may get clearer or more descriptive error messages | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | my memory span is ~1h | 23:43 |
| zakkm | ah | 23:43 |
| lcuk2 | less after beer | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | no beers here | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | hence hte 1h ;) | 23:44 |
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| edugof | anyone knows why if i try to install exaile, i get the error: python2.5-osso, and python2.5-hildon? i don't know where find this packages! | 23:44 |
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| zakkm | how do i get in service/update mode? | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | hmm | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | my network just went walkies | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | my head just went boum-boum | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't wanna stop | 23:45 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | mines starting to feel better | 23:45 |
| AStorm | my buttons work... differently now | 23:45 |
| AStorm | why? | 23:45 |
| AStorm | Ive disabled powerlaunch | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | lots of greenness keeps coming out of my nose tho | 23:45 |
| AStorm | e.g. power button | 23:46 |
| zakkm | swap key = power button right? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | zakkm: no | 23:46 |
| lcuk2 | :O winscp continued copying even when broken connection. thats clever of it | 23:46 |
| AStorm | it works like a "back" button | 23:46 |
| AStorm | while power button doesn't bring up the menu | 23:46 |
| zakkm | so which is swap key? | 23:46 |
| zakkm | on the nokia 770 | 23:46 |
| edugof | where can i download the python2.5-osso and python2.5-hildon packages?? | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | the fsck | 23:46 |
| webustany | edugof: add the extras repositories | 23:47 |
| AStorm | it doesn't want to uninstall the damned powerlaunch | 23:47 |
| webustany | maemo extras | 23:47 |
| zakkm | oh its going | 23:47 |
| zakkm | ;p | 23:47 |
| webustany | (I think) | 23:47 |
| edugof | hum | 23:47 |
| edugof | ok ty! | 23:47 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, sftp is nice enough to keep the connection up | 23:47 |
| lcuk2 | hey! its only going at 259KB/s now | 23:47 |
| zakkm | SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- does that sound right.. for the nokia 770 ? | 23:47 |
| lcuk2 | its halved its own speed | 23:47 |
| AStorm | yes | 23:47 |
| fysa | your CPU probably clocked down, lcuk2 | 23:47 |
| fysa | ;) | 23:48 |
| zakkm | wow | 23:48 |
| zakkm | 3min to go frm 2006SE to 2008HE | 23:48 |
| flo_lap | re | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | say buh-bah for your 770 | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | myuauahahahhahaa | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | (just kidding) | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:48 |
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| lcuk2 | fysa nahhh my cpu doesnt know how to go slow anymore | 23:49 |
| fysa | haha | 23:50 |
| lcuk2 | but i did just confirm that | 23:50 |
| edugof | i'm sorry, but i have the extras repository and i can't see that packages... | 23:50 |
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| edugof | i have: web-> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 23:50 |
| AStorm | yes, finally, back to normal | 23:50 |
| edugof | dist-> chinook | 23:50 |
| AStorm | no stupid powered breaking everything | 23:50 |
| edugof | comp: free non-free | 23:50 |
| edugof | it's ok? | 23:50 |
| lcuk2 | its not disabled is it | 23:50 |
| edugof | it's not disabled | 23:51 |
| lcuk2 | just checking ;) | 23:51 |
| webustany | edugof: let me check if I have those packages | 23:51 |
| edugof | ok, ty | 23:51 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Have you charged the batteyr btw? =) | 23:51 |
| webustany | edugof: I have it... | 23:51 |
| webustany | edugof: you might have to install it using the console | 23:51 |
| webustany | sometimes packages are not signed | 23:51 |
| webustany | so the GUI will refuse to install them | 23:52 |
| edugof | with apt-get ? | 23:52 |
| webustany | yep | 23:52 |
| edugof | ok | 23:52 |
| edugof | i'll try | 23:52 |
| webustany | not sure though | 23:52 |
| edugof | ty | 23:52 |
| webustany | maybe there's a simpler way | 23:52 |
| zakkm | 2008HE WORKS :D | 23:52 |
| edugof | ok, with console i can install it! | 23:53 |
| edugof | ty webustany ;) | 23:53 |
| webustany | np | 23:53 |
| AStorm | RST38h: yes, it's now filling up more | 23:54 |
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| AStorm | now at the peak charge, you know | 23:55 |
| AStorm | a few hours to fill it up fully | 23:55 |
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| fysa | then VNC to X running on sb | 23:58 |
| AStorm | or just install dev utils, coreutils etc. | 23:58 |
| fysa | voila | 23:58 |
| Grackle | I can install debian? | 23:58 |
| AStorm | yeah, debian in chroot would work | 23:58 |
| AStorm | Grackle: yes | 23:58 |
| RST38h | AStorm: ! | 23:58 |
| fysa | someone wrote an article about it | 23:58 |
| fysa | one sec | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | why chroot from another system - what is technically wrong with native compilation? | 23:58 |
| Grackle | Oh, I thought you meant debian living natively on the tablet. | 23:59 |
| AStorm | lcuk2: it is native! | 23:59 |
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| RST38h | slow? | 23:59 |
| lcuk2 | i have it open here : http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/02/08/native-gcc-on-the-n810/ | 23:59 |
| AStorm | I actually have that set up | 23:59 |
| AStorm | just need gcc 4.2.3 in | 23:59 |
| fysa | you can test apps without hildon i.e, VNC gives you full keyboard/input | 23:59 |
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| fysa | sorry. I mean. | 23:59 |
| fysa | without hildonizing | 23:59 |
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| Mousey | is 2008HE just another name for os2008? | 23:59 |
| fysa | (n800) | 23:59 |
| zakkm | how do i get rid of that meta-crawler? | 23:59 |
| RST38h | 2008HE is OS2008 for N770 | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | no | 23:59 |
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