IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-04-28

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qwerty12_N800Does anyone know if latest Chrony lets you use ntp servers by name? I'm looking at version that needs ip address, if latest can use website address, I'll compile that.00:01
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KotCzarnyseems like a oneliner patch00:02
plbhm there should be an option for canola most viewed for today/week/all time00:02
plbunless I'm missing it somewhere?00:02
plbfor youtube00:02
KotCzarnyplb: canola specific questions should go to #canola i think00:02
KotCzarnythey live on brazilian time though00:02
plbah didn't know they had a channel00:03
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KotCzarnyheh, something for pupnik, and maybe other geeks too:
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* qwerty12_N800 tries out chrony on my n800. I see newer builds are available so i'll probably end up compiling after I fix sbox.00:12
AStormqwerty12_N800: can't you just use ntpdate?00:12
qwerty12_N800I currently use rdate but I like the idea of a daemon for the times I forget.00:13
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qwerty12_N800Not a bad  idea but I don't think my cron works, it never calls updatdb even though it's set to.00:16
KotCzarnymaybe path is wrong?00:18
qwerty12_N800You need absolute path in crontab? :)00:18
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qwerty12_N800>.<. Like  sudoers, then. I remember the time I messed it up...00:19
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qwerty12_N800I saw that on digg lol00:22
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AStormfree lulz, yeah!00:25
KotCzarnyif qwerty12 had/modded a car:
qwerty12_N800hmm, is omweather upd8 out for anyone else?00:29
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adam_is there a default user pass. for the terminal?00:32
adam_so why does sudo ask for a password?00:32
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KotCzarnymaybe you try to do something not allowed00:32
adam_im trying to apt get python2.500:33
qwerty12_N800sudo apt-get install xxx00:33
qwerty12_N800sudo: enter card no00:33
KotCzarnyheh, have you tried my hint?00:33
KotCzarnyqwert12: lol, sudo paid with credit card?00:33
KotCzarnynow that's somthing very possible in the future ;)00:34
qwerty12_N800if only... :p00:34
qwerty12_N800adam_: install easyroot or becomeroot and do sudo gainroot00:35
KotCzarnyfor people who share comp with family:
plbhm vagalume is <300:39
plbshould be in the repos00:39
qwerty12_N800you can also use via canola plug-in00:39
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plbya but I don't like how canola has to be full screen00:42
* plb hates fullscreen00:42
KotCzarnyunfortunatelly most of the apps go (nearly)fullscreen on maemo00:42
KotCzarnyyou can try xmms00:42
plbxmms is the turd that wouldn't flush lol00:43
plbthing will never die00:43
plbI liked it years ago00:44
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KotCzarnyyeah, but at least does what i want it to00:44
AStormI need to get debug out of the device00:44
plbbut now...meh00:44
AStormbut I don't have serial port here or soldered to the board00:44
AStormany solution?00:44
KotCzarnywriting to mmc ?00:44
AStormnetconsole doesn't work on gadget USB it seems00:44
KotCzarnyand recovering via usb ?00:44
AStormKotCzarny: hmm, it doesn't boot that far I think00:44
KotCzarnycan't you printk to block device?00:45
KotCzarnyor something?00:45
AStormmaybe I can00:45
AStormbut do I have any to print to? ;00:45
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KotCzarnymmcblock0/1 ?00:45
AStormyeah sure00:45
AStormand overwrite everything?00:45
KotCzarnyyou haven't received free 128mb card?00:46
KotCzarnywith the device00:46
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AStormbut, I do have a spare card, wait00:46
AStormin a while00:46
qwerty12_N800hmm, is down?00:46
AStormKotCzarny: what's that option called btw?00:47
KotCzarnyqwerty12: i have mirrored whole repository00:47
plbn810 is so much better than the ipod touch which is what I sold to get the money for the n810 ;]00:47
KotCzarnyastorm: just guessing, never tried00:47
plbcan't do shit on the ipod touch00:47
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: Good plan00:47
KotCzarnyplb: well, you can shit on ipod touch00:47
plbwell it's good for web browsing I guess00:47
plband youtube00:47
KotCzarnyat 320x240 ?00:47
plbyoutube player is pretty good00:48
KotCzarnyyou are kidding00:48
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plbmovement is fluid too00:48
KotCzarnyeven 800x480 seems cramped00:48
plbeverything is just so restrictive on it00:48
plblike everything apple i spose though heh00:48
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AStormKotCzarny: ttyMTD<whichnumber>?00:49
AStormah, wait00:50
AStormMMC is not MTD, is it?00:50
KotCzarnyis there an emulation driver ?00:50
qwerty12_N800be careful with  mtd, one guy killed bootloader writing to /dev/mtd<something> by accident.00:51
KotCzarnyheh, not fun00:52
plbhm where can I find a clock for the panel?00:52
KotCzarnyplb: look for statusbar clock applet00:53
KotCzarnyi love it00:53
KotCzarnybye qwerty00:53
qwerty12_N800(if  I disconnect suddenly, my sis might off router)00:53
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plbit will work with os2008?00:53
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AStormqwerty12_N800: I can reflash the bootloader from original image I think00:55
AStormbut I wouldn't be able to get at the data00:55
AStormI could probably write to initfs partition safely00:55
AStormand tack some light initfs to a working kernel00:56
AStormto recover the data00:56
AStormthat was MTD4, right?00:56
KotCzarnymtd4 is rootfs, isn't it?00:59
KotCzarnymtd1 - nolo, mtd2 - kernel, mtd3 - initfs00:59
plbwhich clocks are they using in those screenshots? anyone know00:59
AStormahha, ok01:00
plbis that the statusbar clock applet?01:00
AStormnow, that would be a nasty booboo ;)01:00
AStorm*would've been01:00
KotCzarnyplb: yes01:00
plbit says it's for os2007 will work with 08?01:00
AStormplb: there is a version for OS200801:01
AStormin garage01:01
AStormworks nicely01:01
KotCzarnyessential for me01:01
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AStormyep, although I'd like a fullscreen clock screensaver01:02
KotCzarnyno you don't01:02
AStormhigh contrast, very low screen brightness01:02
AStormas in =001:03
AStormwhite on black01:03
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AStormok, it seems that ttyMTD3 write worked, let's read it01:04
KotCzarnyi can give you ncurses based clock, so you can run it in some *term :)01:06
AStormI wanted a screensaver ;)01:08
AStormnot a runnable clock01:08
AStormthere is one like that already ;)01:08
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AStormdamnit, have to add a script to display that ttyMTD ;P01:09
plbthis is the one for os2008 you guys are talking about?01:09
plbhm seems to only disply the minutes and AM/PM01:10
plbnot the hour01:10
KotCzarnylook into the configuration01:11
KotCzarnyand disable some applets01:11
plbah nm01:11
AStormplb: indeed, check Panel config01:11
plbfound it lol01:11
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plbah that's better01:14
plbbomberman heh I used to play that ...;] how's the maemo port?01:15
AStormthat mtd support hasn't written anything01:18
AStormdamnIT ;)01:20
AStormok, time for plan B01:20
AStormor even01:21
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AStormlets see how well will git cope with that merge ;)01:31
AStormnot that badly01:33
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AStormalthough it's still 152 files to check01:34
AStormmhm, it's supposed to be vs 2.6.23-rc3-omap101:36
AStormthe patch01:36
plbnumptyphysics is indeed awesome ;]01:37
AStormI mean, the patch should be 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 with some major hack01:39
AStorm2.6.21-rc3-omap1 duh01:39
AStormI'll better do step-by-step merge instead of 2.6.25 in one go ;P01:43
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AStormI sense porting to clockevents01:49
KotCzarnyat least dynticks is in .21 already :)01:49
AStormbut not clockevents, and that's a fairly major port01:50
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KotCzarnybtw. have you managed to run that p54 driver?01:51
AStormno, it is impossible, there is an unfinished devel patch01:51
AStormwell, omap1 clockevent port was very easy, so I hope omap2 will be similarly easy to port :>01:53
AStormso far, the rejects vs 2.6.22 are trivial01:59
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AStormyes, apart from (fairly trivial) clockevents port, there isn't much to fix02:10
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kkrustyI just searched the backlogs for "kismet". Apparently theres at least one request per day for kismet for 2008 :D02:18
kkrustyby the way I just got a n800 a few days ago. For about 150 pounds02:21
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AStormpounds of what? ;)02:22
AStormshould've bought in the US02:22
AStormand get it cheaper02:22
Proteous150 pounds of feathers02:23
KotCzarnyof fathers02:23
KotCzarnyfat hers02:23
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AStormhmm, the port will be complicated by moves in mmc02:24
KotCzarnyok, bad joke02:24
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AStormI'll have to merge that part by hand ;P02:25
AStormfor some reason, git didn't detect the move02:25
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Atariitechnology sucks02:53
Atariijust spend a couple of hours reflashing and reinstalling apps to my Nokia, to "fix" a problem with it not displaying webpages02:53
KotCzarnyyes, sucks energy02:53
Atariionly to find that it was my router that needed restarting grrrr02:53
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KotCzarnythen it's not technology but diagnosis02:54
Atariiaah maybe02:54
AStormAtarii: I sense a PEBKAC02:56
AStormand sucky router02:56
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Atariii agree its a sucky router, some brainbox decided to get rid of the nice linksys we had :S02:58
AStorm~acronym PEBKAC02:58
AStorminfobot: grrrr!02:58
AStormKotCzarny: does it have such a plugin?02:58
KotCzarnydon't know02:59
AtariiPEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair"02:59
KotCzarnyit's not mine02:59
KotCzarnyatarii: we know that02:59
Atariii didnt02:59
KotCzarnynow you do too02:59
* KotCzarny sniffs03:00
KotCzarnyi should take a shower03:01
KotCzarnyi hate being ill03:01
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plbhow can you edit the menu? I uninstalled something but it left the menu entry03:19
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Atariicontrol panel > panels03:20
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Atariithen click "organise"03:21
plbsays unable to remove applications03:21
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plbinstalled and uninstalled again and it's still there03:29
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AStormnight? ;)03:33
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infobotGood morning!03:34
AStormnot here03:34
hrwlack ibot03:34
infobotfrom memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
hrwthat was what I mean ;)03:34
AStormblah blah blah ;P03:34
hrwAStorm: 02:42 here too03:34
AStormhrw: have you tried to build 2.6.xx-omap from linux-omap tree?03:35
hrwor rather 02:34 as this server has wrong date a bit03:35
AStormdoesn't seem to work with n81003:35
AStormat all03:35
hrwAStorm: not for n8x003:35
hrwAStorm: I lack time for such playing - daughter takes most of free time03:35
AStormthey know how to do that ;P03:35
hrwAStorm: I did not even had a time to check your keymap ;(03:35
hrwshe is 2m8d old03:36
AStormand counting03:36
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hrwAStorm: you know how to get wifi working with non-standard kernel?03:36
plbhm how to become root?03:37
AStormI managed to get it to build vs 2.6.2503:37
AStormplb: ssh, or gainroot/easyroot03:37
hrwor becameroot03:37
AStormor login through ssh and fix sudo03:37
hrw'sudo gainroot' was iirc working out-of-box on my n81003:37
plbor is there a way to delete this bloody menu won't let me delete anything from panel in control panel03:38
hrwAStorm: 2.6.25-omap1 or 2.6.25?03:38
AStormit doesn't matter anyway03:38
hrwAStorm: does it boot at all?03:38
AStorm2.6.25-omap1? nopes03:38
AStormI'm working now on that nokia patch03:38
AStormforward porting it03:39
AStormnow at 2.6.22 and 66% into it03:39
hrwgood luck03:39
hrwAStorm: do you have serial jig?03:39
AStormI'd love to, but alas, no03:39
hrwthen good luck^203:39
AStormand need to buy usb-serial dongle too03:39
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AStormthe kernel crashes before it can write to MTD, so serial wouldn't help much ;P03:39
hrwmy desktop has 3 serials ;D03:40
hrwAStorm: serial cable is musthave when it comes to kernel hacking03:40
AStormI know03:40
AStormesp. when netconsole doesn't work03:40
AStormthe crash is before fb is set up03:40
hrwprintascii hack is nice lowlevel03:41
AStormor it is just fb not working03:41
AStormhrw: what does it do? :>03:41
adam_what would one need to use a wii mote to play roms?03:41
adam_on the n80003:41
hrwprints before printk is able to print03:41
AStormhrw: ah, that one03:41
plbhm there is sudo there a default pw?03:42
AStormit won't work on N03:42
AStormplb: no03:42
hrwlast time I used it when was working on booting qemu/arm with armv6 kernel03:42
AStormhrw: btw, the kernel seems to boot on your emulator03:42
AStormbut I can't test fb03:42
plbargh just want to delete this bomberman.desktop file03:42
hrwit is not mine emulator03:42
plbto get it out my damn menu03:43
AStormah, well, your patched emulator from poky linux03:43
hrwplb: cd /usr/share/applications and remove it03:43
plbsays permission denied03:43
hrwplb: became root then03:43
AStormplb: sudo gainroot first ;>03:43
hrwAStorm: do you want dmesg log from real hardware?03:44
AStormI have one, thanks.03:44
hrwAStorm: I know someone who has n8x0 with serial attached...03:44
plbenable rd mode if you want to break your device?03:44
plbthat's what it says03:44
AStormhrw: ah, yes03:44
AStormthen very much03:44
AStormbuild linux-omap, latest :>03:44
hrwAStorm: mail me kernel image03:44
AStormok, #0s03:44
AStormcurrent linux-omap needed a tiny patch :)03:45
hrwno rush - I will contact him during day not now03:45
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hrwelo KotCzarny03:46
hrwKotCzarny: shower makes miracles?03:46
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KotCzarnyat least i don't stink so badly anymore03:47
AstralStbad click, bad!03:47
KotCzarnyastorm went into irc-cycle loop?03:47
hrwKotCzarny: sweating a lot?03:47
KotCzarnyhrw: yeah..03:47
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hrwthat suxx in illness03:47
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KotCzarnyhere we go again?03:48
AStormthere is XChat alive somewhere?03:48
hrwAStorm: kill -9 -103:48
AStormit disappeared...03:48
AStormhrw: har har ;P03:48
AStormI prefer telinit S03:48
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hrwI do not like to use 80x24 on 22" wide LCD03:48
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hrw~curse nvidia btw03:49
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nvidia btw !03:49
KotCzarnyand again03:49
KotCzarnyhrw: go unregistered for a while?03:49
AStormI have to change a certain binding03:49
AStormKotCzarny: naaah03:49
AStormthat was xchat having its window killed03:49
AStormstupid piece of s....oftware03:49
KotCzarnyi bet there are whole ecosystems in people's keyboards03:52
AStormhrw: where do you want the zImage sent to?03:52
AStormdo you want a tiny /bin/busybox initramfs in too?03:53
hrwAStorm: does it boot into initramfs in qemu?03:53
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AStormlet me check :-)03:54
AStormfail, segfault?03:55
AStormI'll check if it can run 2.6.21-nokia with initramfs03:56
AStormnah, 2.6.21-nokia booted just fine into initramfs03:58
plbeasyroot worked03:58
AStormhrw: keyboard didn't work, but that's no biggy03:58
AStormlet's see that 2.6.25-foo03:59
hrwAStorm: basically the rule is: you send me kernel, I send you booting log from it.03:59
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AStormmake it nosegfault03:59
AStormI remember I did something to make it not segfault03:59
hrwif friend agree to boot it ;)03:59
AStormfirst, I'll get it running in the emulator04:00
hrwhow helpful emu is?04:00
AStormbtw, how do I get serial console output from that qemu?04:00
AStormhrw: that my own built 2.6.21-nokia works in it04:00
hrwadd "-serial stdio" to command and 'console=ttyS0' to cmdline04:00
hrws/cmdline/kernel cmdline04:00
AStormhm, segfaults before serial is inited it seems ;P04:02
hrwenabled printascii?04:02
hrwCONFIG_DEBUG_LL iirc04:03
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AStormnow I have that in04:04
hrwor google for printascii patch04:04
AStormstill nothing04:04
hrwheh.. I hate to see when cores in cpu are wasted...04:04
AStormI have DEBUG_LL in, but still it only crashes after some omap warnings04:05
KotCzarnylike dsp in omap2 ?04:05
hrwI have over year old Poky build in progress and it wastes cpu time04:05
hrwcompared to newer versions04:05
hrwKotCzarny: I would like to play with omap3 one day04:06
AStormKotCzarny: nah04:06
AStorma lot "bad register"04:06
AStormand omap_badwidth_read3204:06
KotCzarnyyour dream will come true04:06
AStorma lot of these04:07
AStormomap_badwidth_read32: 32-bit register 0x480000e504:07
hrwKotCzarny: current Poky can be configured to make use of any amount of cpu cores. I would like to test it one day on 64+ cpu monsters04:07
KotCzarnyhrw: but only generic cores, not specialized ?04:07
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hrwcpu cores not dsp ones (unless you can run gcc on dsp ;)04:09
AStormok, got *something* to show04:11
AStormactually, Linux logo04:11
hrwon core2quad q6600 I am able to build poky-image-sato in ~1.5h and it has x11 with gtk based environment with webkit browser04:11
hrwAStorm: progress ;)04:11
AStormso, it works now04:11
AStormdisabled n810 support though04:11
AStormand a few unrelated things04:11
hrwn810 <> n800 is other TS, keyboard and something more?04:12
AStormonenand_write: unknown OneNAND boot command 0 and it shuts down?04:12
hrwAStorm: you use maemo or poky rootfs?04:12
KotCzarnyastorm: gps04:13
AStormit's no rootfs04:13
AStormit should boot into initramfs04:13
KotCzarnymaybe something interrupts boot process04:13
KotCzarnysome driver04:13
AStormbtw, I'm getting no, read, none serial output in the qemu04:14
hrwKotCzarny: is not gps connected to serial?04:14
AStormit is serial over SPI04:14
hrwAStorm: -append "console=ttyS0 debug" -serial stdio to qemu?04:14
hrwthat so called gps...04:15
AStormtried, zilcho04:15
KotCzarnyafair serial on n8x0 was ttyS304:15
KotCzarnyor 204:15
AStormfb works04:15
KotCzarnyi may be wrong though04:15
hrwafter playing with navigation software on n810 I am more and more decided to buy wince based navigation device04:15
KotCzarnyastorm: on device or emu?04:16
AStormon emu04:16
AStormI'll try the same kernel on the device now04:16
hrwmaemo mapper lack offline routing, navicore lack sensible maps and both are not written for touchscreen devices04:16
AStormthat would be quite a milestone if it worked04:16
hrwAStorm: tag kernel in git04:16
hrwgit tag "after-long-fight-booted-to-fb-and-crashed"04:17
AStormslightly too big04:17
AStormhave to shave off some 50 KB04:17
hrw2MB limit...04:18
KotCzarnycan this layout be changed?04:18
KotCzarnymtd1/2/3/4 ?04:18
hrwit is better then on Zaurus devices where it was 1.2MB or even 1M on collie04:18
AStormthat was, like, ouch04:18
hrwKotCzarny: it is rather hardcoded in nolo04:18
hrwKotCzarny: standard procedure in small bootloaders04:19
KotCzarnynolo does the magic initialization or just loads 'next part' ?04:19
AStormit booted in qemu, but not on the device04:19
AStormI'll better enable n810 support04:19
hrwAStorm: qemu is not exact emulation - it does not use nolo iirc04:19
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AStormno luck04:21
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AStormpossibly something n810 related04:21
hrwok, time to turn daughter to back and return to sleep04:21
AStormI'd actually like Nokia to forward-port their changes04:23
AStormis it *that* hard?04:23
hrwchildren makes funny moves sometimes ;)04:24
AStormhmm, OneNAND driver is b*ching in qemu, btw04:24
AStormif that doesn't work correctly, the kernel won't boot I guess P04:24
hrwAStorm: iirc they merge their kernel changes04:25
AStormthey do bad at it04:25
AStormso 2.6.21-nokia works, while 2.6.25-omap1 doesn't ;P04:25
AStorm(or any earlier)04:25
AStormwhoops ;)04:26
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hrwshit. will have more work during day ;(04:30
hrw~curse internal servers04:30
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, internal servers !04:30
AStorminfobot: learn plural, will you?04:31
hrwAStorm: and then let it learn Polish plurals04:33
AStormEnglish would suffice04:34
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hrwI remember some time ago discussion about "1 tasks remainded" in one application04:35
hrwdeveloper wanted to have it changed to "1 task remainded" with simple "if amount == 1 then 'task' else 'tasks'"04:36
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hrwthen I told him how it looks in Polish and he got scared enough to check gettext support ;)04:37
KotCzarnyyeah, localizations suck04:40
KotCzarnyenglish is nice enough for guis04:41
KotCzarnyand messages04:41
KotCzarnynearly no declination :)04:41
hrwbtw - odwocic na plecy to 'turn to back' czy 'turn to backs' bo nigdy nie pamietam04:41
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KotCzarnyturn on the back04:43
lopzwow, very nice
hrwcholerne a/an/the04:43
KotCzarnyja po prostu wrzucam gdzie mi sie wyda ze ok04:43
hrwcurse of english ;D04:43
KotCzarnyi sie nie przejmuje04:43
lopzhrw, you speak spanish ?04:44
KotCzarnyi love those blurry, out of ofcus flash vids04:44
hrwlopz: nope04:44
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KotCzarnychildren is plural04:52
KotCzarnymakes is only for singular 3rd person04:52
hrw then04:53
KotCzarnyand you don't move to the back, but turn04:53
hrwfetching 60M archives from svn suxx04:53
KotCzarnymove to the back could be possible in car etc04:53
KotCzarnyor if you were baking him/her04:54
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KotCzarnyyeah, vnc fun04:57
KotCzarnynice to trick 'doze users04:57
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hrw - someone has access?04:58
KotCzarnyNo such domain:
KotCzarnyi think my root pdnsd doesn't like some domains04:59
hrwand I got it as referrer on my blog04:59
KotCzarnymay be internal domain05:00
KotCzarnybecause it doesn't have anything other than mail records05:00
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hrwI need to add few rules to .htaccess here...05:01
hrwto block others from use of pictures on my sites05:01
hrw~curse someone on ITT05:01
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, someone on ITT !05:01
KotCzarnydon't block05:02
hrw~curse bofh05:02
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bofh !05:02
hrwKotCzarny: to hardcore goatse picture like my friend did?05:02
KotCzarnynope, to your main page05:02
KotCzarnyor something05:02
hrwit does not work good for <img>05:03
KotCzarnythen a png with your site name will be enough05:04
hrwhm. the problem is named feeds...05:04
hrwif you fetch feed from my site then it redirect you to feedburner and then you fetch images. so no referrer is sent05:05
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hrwbut I can rename files on server ;D05:05
KotCzarnyif browser doesn't send referer05:05
KotCzarnythen.. meh05:05
hrwKotCzarny: if you read by google reader...05:05
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hrw looks a bit worse but I pay for bandwidth05:09
hrwhave a nice rest or night/day guys05:10
* hrw back to the bed05:10
KotCzarnygo go05:10
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AStorm - buy me one05:39
KotCzarnywireless model is better05:39
KotCzarnyor blink left/right/nod05:39
AStormactually, that could be useful as an input device for Morse code05:41
AStormor better yet, Dasher05:41
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AStormSomeone should make dasher more compatible with qwerty keyboard ;P05:44
KotCzarnywhat's that anyway?05:44
AStormGoogle, heathen!05:44
KotCzarnyyou know more :>05:44
KotCzarnyinput method05:45
AStorm - have a gif05:46
AStormThe only problem is slight dizzyness after prolonged use ;P05:46
KotCzarnynot good05:46
AStormand that it requires attention05:46
KotCzarnybecause it mean real problems05:47
AStormwell, it's just like sea sickness ;P05:47
KotCzarnyhuman body is learning all the time05:47
AStormyou don't move, but the visual input is05:47
KotCzarnyif you feel dizzyness it means some conflicts05:47
AStormsure it does05:47
AStormbut then, it's slight05:47
AStormI'm not prone to sea sickness ;P05:47
KotCzarnyhave you used 8h/day 365days ?05:48
AStormfull days, yes05:48
AStormNice fun ;)05:48
KotCzarnylooks like a a game05:48
AStormEven used it for irc for a time, got quite ok, 3.0 speed05:48
AStormthat means, 3 bits per second05:49
AStorm(normalized to english word entropy)05:49
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KotCzarnyhave you tried interfacing it with webcam?05:50
AStormIt'd need a *lot* of coding ;P05:50
AStormor a pointer cap05:50
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AStormand a lot of coding any way05:50
KotCzarnybig bulb on the forehead05:50
KotCzarnywell, led should be ok too05:51
AStormstill needs some coding05:51
AStormthe problem with dasher is that you have to look at it ;P05:51
AStormtouch typing doesn't have that problem05:51
AStormI'd love to combine it with voice synthesis05:52
AStorm(although I don't know any good algorithm for Polish)05:52
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KotCzarnyosk could be faster though05:54
AStormnah, it will be faster than OSK if trained, I think05:55
KotCzarnytrained osk?05:55
AStormand more accurate than handwriting recognition05:55
AStormKotCzarny: yes, definitely05:55
AStormfaster than thumb writing05:55
AStormit's faster than hw keyboard too, in my case05:56
AStormand I'm not anywhere close to trained ;>05:56
KotCzarnyit still presents you with letters you have to click05:56
AStormand haven't tried it with pen, could be better than mouse05:56
AStormKotCzarny: wrong05:56
AStormyou draw a path to the letter, not click it05:56
AStormat least, not in the default mode05:56
AStormthere is a click mode too05:56
AStormlet me check if I still have that installed :>05:57
AStormand working05:57
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AStormIt's quite nice really.05:58
KotCzarnyi believe you05:58
KotCzarnybut constant moving isn't so nice on cpu05:59
KotCzarnyis it?05:59
AStormAnd I'm mission practice.05:59
AStormya, need to slow it down a bit05:59
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AStormIt is said to work on the IT.06:00
AStormSlowly, but working.06:01
AStormNeeds more integration though.06:02
AStorm(and I need more practice)06:02
AStormLet's see now.06:05
AStormHmm, really out of practice:)06:06
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AStormIt's fun typing shell in it, I created a dictionary optimized for that06:07
AStormReally easy that way.06:08
AStormYou get autocomplete for free.06:09
woodwizzleOn what repo is GtkSourceView and the python runtime on?06:09
woodwizzlei can't find 'em anywhere to download, and I need them for pygtkeditor06:09
AStormstupid GTK accepts inserted tab key as a real tab ;P06:10
AStormno tabcomplete for me then ;P06:10
KotCzarnyastorm, is it hildonized?06:11
KotCzarnyi know that hildon gtk apps need enter sent differently06:11
KotCzarnyat least with default im06:11
AStormWell, I'm using it on my PC now.06:11
AStormNot on N, which has broken kernel and initfs ;P06:11
AStormNeeded a patch for a crasher.06:12
KotCzarnyyou have a backup?06:13
AStormHmm, right now I'm typing with 1/4 the speed of a QWERTY.06:13
AStormNot too bad.06:13
AStormKotCzarny: of course I have a backup06:13
NaviWow, if I typed 1/4th the speed of my speed, it'd be 15 wpm06:13
* Navi types slow06:13
AStormNavi: you're not a touch typist then06:13
KotCzarnyi more a punch typist06:14
KotCzarnybut thinkpads have very good kbs06:14
NaviAStorm, I constantly make mistakes out of habit and that bogs me down like crazy06:14
NaviI don't care to fix it either06:15
AStormYou punch the keyboard?06:15
KotCzarnyastorm, well, i type quite hard06:15
KotCzarnysomething like that06:16
KotCzarnyplastic on my kb is worn out06:16
KotCzarnyusually on space, shift and enter06:16
KotCzarnyit was matte at the beginning06:17
KotCzarnynow it's shiny in most places06:17
AStormIt'd be uberfun to write with Dasher using a tilt sensor ;P06:17
KotCzarnyastorm: great kid's game06:17
AStormWant a static binary? (Not for N)06:18
KotCzarnynot yet06:18
AStormalternatively, I can drop you the needed patches06:18
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zakkmhi .. i have a nokia 770 and i was wondering if there was a guide on installing 2008HE on it ( currently running 2006 )06:21
zakkmany chance of a exact link?06:21
zakkmlike to the guide?06:21
KotCzarnyi don't have any handy06:21
AStorm~google Nokia 2008HE06:21
zakkmlike i downloaded stuff from ther ebefore06:21
AStorminfobot: you suck!06:22
zakkmAStorm: i did that?06:22
AStormno, you didn't06:22
zakkmAStorm: doesnt bring up any helpful results?06:22
KotCzarnyadd 'howto'06:23
KotCzarnyto the search query06:23
zakkmi just get irc logs from this irc channel?06:23
KotCzarnythat's good06:24
KotCzarnythey are full of links06:24
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zakkmwill skype work on it?06:25
zakkmnokia 770 - 2008HE06:26
zakkmmy main reason for updating is to run skype06:26
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AStormI don't think so.06:27
AStormIt's a different cpu.06:27
KotCzarnyand this is the source:
StormEveryDayskype can run on 200606:30
AStormWe want Skype with videosupport!06:32
AStormAt least rudimentary.06:33
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SakkathIs there another GPS receiver that will work with the Nokia n800?  I just bought one under the impression the Nokia Navigation Kit was a lot cheaper than it really is.  I should have just waited and got the n810 but it's too late now.06:38
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KotCzarnyi think any bt gps will do06:39
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SakkathKotCzarny: know of any cheap but quality ones?06:40
KotCzarnyhow cheap is cheap?06:40
zakkmwait sorry i left06:40
zakkmskype works on 2006?06:40
KotCzarnyi saw one link that suggested:
SakkathKotCzarny: hopefully cheaper than the Nokia Navigation Kit :D.  I've seen like $186 or around there06:40
zakkmSakkath: skype works on 2006? i couldnt seem to get it to work if i remember correctly06:40
Sakkathzakkm: I didn't even get my n800 yet, hasn't been shipped.06:41
zakkmAlso, how come when i refresh package list in application manager. it fails ?06:41
zakkmand shows a old list from like september '0706:41
SakkathKotCzarny: some of those are pretty cheap BlueTooth GPS receivers, any good?06:41
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KotCzarnytbh i never had gps yet06:43
KotCzarnyso everything i know is from stories of other people06:44
SakkathWell, I'll keep looking and researching--don't need one right away, just was asking for future reference.06:44
zakkmdoes that sound right?06:44
zakkmfor nokia 770?06:44
zakkm3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets06:44
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zakkmis SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin right for the nokia 770 ? for 2007HE?06:50
amengAnyone get directfb run on maemo?06:50
johnxameng, to run *on* maemo? hmm06:51
amengsorry , on n81006:51
johnxthat might be a bit tricky06:51
johnxalmost certainly possible06:52
johnxwell Nokia's "ITOS2008" is already using the framebuffer and it can be tricky to kill off the x server without their watchdog software freaking out and rebooting your device06:53
johnxshould be possible though. And maybe you can just use some software to open up a fullscreen black window and then run directfb and just kind of forget that the x server is running06:54
AStormit is easy to do so06:54
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AStormjust change dsmetool call in the X server init script06:55
AStormthen terminate it and use the framebuffer as usual06:55
AStormbut you need a kernel capable of automatic screen updates06:55
johnxyeah, that would work too06:55
johnxyou just need fanoush's modules06:55
AStormor a directfb driver that updates the screen06:55
AStormjohnx: tell me more about these ;P06:55
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zakkmif i use 2008HE on the nokia 770 ( dont mind speed issues much ) is it possible to go back to 2006? or can it like brick my nokia?06:56
AStormzakkm: just reflash and it's 2006 again06:56
amengOh, thank you06:56
zakkmdo i need the USB cable to flash it to 2008 ?06:56
AStormzakkm: yes06:56
zakkmsorry .. only had it a few days06:57
zakkmgot it on ebay for $8506:57
zakkmim running 3.2006.49-2 currently?06:57
zakkmSU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- is that it? for my 770 ?06:58
zakkm1st FIASCO image of the OS 2008 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- it says in description06:58
johnxyup, there's only one06:58
zakkmwhats that uhmm06:59
zakkmmeta-crawler thingy06:59
KotCzarnyit's evil06:59
johnxit indexes your media files06:59
zakkmi got x terminal on it.. but when i flash it.. wont it delete all my apps?06:59
KotCzarnyat least in it's current form06:59
johnxbut sometimes it goes insane and uses up all the CPU time06:59
johnxzakkm, yes, flashing will erase all your apps07:00
KotCzarnyand user files too07:00
johnxbut os2008 comes with a terminal07:00
zakkmwould 2008HE use more battery then 2006?07:00
zakkmlike significantly07:00
zakkmcause i like my battery life :P07:00
johnxit might, since it takes more power to run07:00
zakkmi can charge it nightly? but would it last that long?07:01
johnxwe don't know07:01
johnxit depends on how you use it07:01
johnxwhy not give it a shot and see07:01
KotCzarnyn800 charges from empty to full in ~3h07:01
zakkmcan it brick it?07:01
johnxnokia's flasher is solid07:02
zakkmi spent so long geting all these apps07:02
zakkmand now i gotta flash it lol07:02
zakkmmplayer,streamtunmer, maemo blocks, maemo pad, mdictionary,xchat, fbreader etc07:02
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KotCzarnythey are all free and available07:02
KotCzarnyaren't they?07:02
zakkmbut now i have to redownload?07:02
zakkmafter i flash07:02
KotCzarnybecause libs are different07:03
zakkmi just added them yesterday07:03
zakkmdifferent? really? not just updated?07:03
johnxa little of both07:03
johnxthere was a big API break between OS2007 and OS200807:03
zakkmhey i was looking at the screenshot section on internttablettalk and ppl are running fluxbox by the looks of it?07:03
zakkmjohnx : makes 2008 better or worse?07:03
johnxlink to the screenshot?07:03
johnxjust makes it newer. From a programming point of view it should be better07:04
zakkmhave to find it again ;p07:04
zakkmthey were talking about openbox rox? rox i believe is a file manager?07:05
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johnxyou can get a lot of crazy stuff running07:06
johnxit's just a linux machine after all07:06
zakkm2nd post or close?07:06
zakkmyeah true07:06
zakkmbut there has to be like limitations?07:06
johnxyeah, your time07:07
johnxsome stuff is a pain to get working07:07
KotCzarnyis the keyword here07:07
johnxother limitations are memory07:07
zakkmdoes vnc even work well?07:07
zakkmon a nokia 770?07:07
KotCzarnybut hmm07:07
KotCzarnyon the connected machine it's *box07:08
zakkmfluxbox ;p07:08
zakkmit says under it07:08
zakkmin post07:08
zakkmso what nokia's you two have?07:09
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KotCzarnyand n-gage07:09
KotCzarnyna 3945 or something07:09
zakkmwhats na 3945?07:10
KotCzarnynokia 394507:10
KotCzarnynumber may be wrong07:10
zakkmi love the 2008 UI07:10
zakkmthe look07:10
zakkmhow good is vnc on it?07:11
zakkmis it worth me setting up?07:11
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KotCzarnyif you have time for playing around :)07:11
KotCzarnythen definitely07:11
zakkmnow i wish i bought a n80007:12
zakkm$85 was good though right?07:12
zakkmlast week?07:12
zakkmfor 77007:12
zakkmmint condition and all that07:12
zakkmhavent failed on me at all?07:12
zakkmhow do i use non RS-MMC's on it?07:12
johnxwith a lot of pain07:13
zakkmi went through guides and sites and like yeah but it seems like not worth it07:13
zakkmcutting the SD card -.-07:13
johnxmight not be07:13
johnxit depends on how much you want more storage space07:13
zakkmthe only RS-MMC's i could find was on ebay for like $20 for 2gb from china.. i live in TOronto, ON -.-07:13
zakkmi want like 2gb?07:13
johnx2GB would be good07:14
KotCzarny20 bucks isn't your monthly paycheck07:14
KotCzarnyso it's not bad07:14
KotCzarnyi guess07:14
johnxthat's all I have for my n80007:14
zakkmwell im 17 year old student07:14
zakkmand no job07:14
zakkmso yes it is more lol07:14
zakkmbut then ill need to use someone elses creditcard.. and then wait for it07:14
zakkmand hope it works and all that07:15
johnxah, I remember those days of hacking on Linux devices :D I know how you feel07:15
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zakkmtheres not many linux devices07:15
zakkmhandheld's anyways07:15
johnxwell, there's only a couple that run linux from the start07:15
zakkmipodlinux ;p07:15
zakkmxbox orginial07:16
zakkmps3 linux07:16
zakkmbut nothing really handheld like the nokia's ;p07:16
johnxbut there's a lot that can run linux: some palms, some ipaqs, some random other winmo devices,07:16
zakkm that looks amazing07:16
zakkmyou know linux right07:17
zakkmhow hard would it be to run uhm07:17
zakkmfluxbox natively?07:17
zakkmno vnc or anything07:17
KotCzarnyneeds some hacking07:17
johnxwhat's your linux level?07:17
KotCzarnybut people run kde etc.07:18
johnxdo you run it on your desktop?07:18
KotCzarnyso it's definitely doable07:18
zakkmyeah i can do desktop linux07:18
johnxare you afraid of the command line?07:18
zakkmwell i temporary stopped like i tried the newest suse 11.0 beta 1 last week?07:18
zakkmno im not07:18
zakkmim a irssi fan07:18
zakkmoh way07:18
zakkmi cant get it running in nokia07:18
zakkmi installed it but xterm give sme a error07:18
zakkmbut i guess it will go when i flash?07:19
johnxyup, and there's an irssi package for os2008 but I'm not sure how well it works07:19
zakkmirssi + nickcolor script = wickedd :D07:19
* johnx has been using linux for 10 years and still prefers a graphical irc client07:19
zakkmurxvt -tr +sb -fg white07:19
zakkmwith xcompmgr :D07:19
zakkmxchat works fine on my nokia07:20
zakkmbut i wanted to try irssi on it?07:20
johnxwell, there's also another route...there are other linux distributions for the 77007:20
johnxyou'll need a 2GB rs-mmc card to do that though07:20
zakkmah no07:21
zakkmno way lol07:21
zakkmwell depends the distro07:21
zakkmi thought its already debian?07:21
zakkmits based on debian. .the normal one isnt it?07:21
KotCzarnyin the similiar way ubuntu is debian07:21
johnxthey forked off from Debian around 2005 and it's diverged quite a bit07:21
zakkmive never liked debian as a desktop OS07:21
johnxKotCzarny, ubuntu and debian are far closer than os2008 and debian sid are07:22
johnxzakkm, yup, making things work will involve some hacking07:22
zakkmi like Archlinux :D07:22
KotCzarnyjohnx: both are forks developed by independent parties, right?07:22
johnxKotCzarny, not so much07:22
johnxlook at how many current Debian and Ubuntu packages are exactly the same, maintained by the same guy07:22
zakkmjohnx: would it run smooth?07:22
zakkmnot talking gnome/kde lol07:22
zakkmjust like fluxbox/ awesome/ openbox07:23
johnxfluxbox would run fine, I'm sure07:23
johnxI've run it on slower machines07:23
KotCzarnyjohnx: in the same way you can install armel packages from on n8x007:23
johnxKotCzarny, but you can't really07:23
zakkmi would like that.. should take low battery eh?07:23
KotCzarnyjohnx: i did07:24
johnxnot without a recompile and some dependency tweaks and hacking07:24
johnxin most cases07:24
zakkmill save it for another time.. when i had the nokia for long lol07:24
johnxzakkm, I was responding to KotCzarny, not you :)07:24
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johnxonce you actually get debian installed it's just apt-get install fluxbox07:24
zakkmwouldnt that work now?07:24
zakkmis apt installed?07:25
zakkmthey use apt dont they07:25
zakkmcant i just add a debian repo?07:25
KotCzarnyit's not your regular linux distro07:25
KotCzarnyit's hackish07:25
johnxit is, but Nokia's ITOS has a different structure and different library versions from Debian07:25
johnxKotCzarny, thank you, that's what I was getting at07:25
zakkmi got class in 5 hours07:25
zakkmhighschool grade 11..07:26
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johnxget some sleep :)07:26
zakkmare you guys usually here?07:26
johnxa lot of the time07:26
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Navi_johnx lives in a different time zone07:26
Navi_KotCzarny is _always_ here07:26
zakkmoh hi Navi_07:26
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johnxI think KotCzarny is two or three people who take shifts07:26
NaviMost likely07:26
KotCzarnyjohnx: night has no meaning on net07:27
KotCzarnysee some guy posting about ugt07:27
johnxyeah, but sleep does07:27
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
zakkmcreated by a irc user who wants a excuse why their on so much.07:28
KotCzarnyno, to stop the flood07:28
KotCzarnyand arguments about night and day07:28
KotCzarnywell, more like morning and evening07:28
zakkmwell like i said i got class in five hours so im going to bed . ;D07:29
zakkmany chance one of you guys can help me flash? tomorrow?07:29
zakkmguide me through it? really great with steps?07:29
johnxsure, we'll at least get you pointed in the right direction and answer questions07:30
WormFoodgood afternoon everyone :P07:30
zakkmHi Wormfood07:30
johnx'mornin WormFood07:30
zakkmjohnx: yeah or link me to a guide would be great thanks :P07:30
zakkmhey .. im on windows currently .. does flasher work on it?07:30
zakkmi can install linux if necessary?07:31
zakkmjust would like to know07:31
johnxyou just use the normal windows software updater07:31
johnxclick next a million times and specify a file07:31
zakkmah ok07:31
WormFoodI think a majority of users here use Linux07:31
zakkmi downloaded it but i didnt have .net frame 2.0/2.507:31
zakkmso i didnt run07:31
zakkmlol to lazy to dl .. i get it tomorrow07:31
zakkmWormfood: i do too .. but i needed windows for awhile07:31
zakkmwine doesnt work too well for cinema4d ( animation app )07:32
WormFooduse vmware07:32
zakkmno lol07:32
zakkmif anything i use virtualbox with seamless virtualization07:32
zakkmand 2nd .. dont have AMD-V / whatever it is for Intel07:32
zakkmso the speeds suck :P07:32
zakkmand idk my partition system is weird07:32
zakkmi got 8 partitions on a 160gb07:33
zakkmi dont delete.. i just shrink and create07:33
zakkmi had more once07:33
zakkmand its in like ext2, reiserfs, xfs, ntfs , no fat's ..07:33
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zakkmand then my 250gb .. i dont remember07:33
zakkmthe partition table is messed -.-07:33
zakkmi think its 3 ntfs's and one xfs07:34
WormFoodthe day microsoft makes a product that don't suck, is the day they make a vacuum07:34
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zakkmmicrosoft vaccuum .. to BSOD your house in a simple sweep :P07:34
zakkmsingle sweep*07:34
zakkmgoodnight everyone ^^;;07:34
zakkmthanks everyone ^^07:34
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WormFoodgood night zakkm07:34
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WormFoodok, lunch time for me07:35
* johnx heads out as well...07:35
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Italodancehi hi hi hi07:38
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acydlordwe need to port this to the n810
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doc|homethere's no way ballmer would be seen with a mac08:37
KotCzarnyah, no08:38
KotCzarnyit looks like some school08:38
KotCzarnyschools usually use apples08:38
RST38hprobably shopped...08:38
RST38hyou mean school gave him a laptop? hmmm08:38
KotCzarnythere is no ballmer on a photo08:38
RST38hthere is ballmer at the presentation screen though...08:39
KotCzarnyonly announcment08:39
RST38han dhe may be running vista on his mac!08:39
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KotCzarnymore like xp?08:40
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woodwizzleCan I change the resolution of the n80010:06
woodwizzleif for example I want to run at 400x240 to force pixel doubling10:07
woodwizzlereally? I checked the display section of the control panel but I couldn't find it10:08
woodwizzlereally I just want to run particular apps at that res though if possible10:08
KotCzarnyah, not system-wide10:08
KotCzarnybut if you are writing an app you can10:08
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woodwizzlehow could I do it system wide? Edit  the xorg.conf?10:09
KotCzarnyit wouldn't work so well10:09
KotCzarnyres is hardcoded in many places i think10:10
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KotCzarnyif you want to try how misc apps look at 480x800 install screen rotation hack10:10
woodwizzlehehe, thats not exactly what i need =)10:11
KotCzarnybut you will see the problem with changing res system wide10:11
woodwizzleoh i getcha10:12
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JaffaMorning, all11:00
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nomisX-Fade: moin. How long does it usually take until uploaded packages end up in maemo-extras? I guess it is not a completely automated process?11:21
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X-Fadenomis: It is setup to run once per hour at least.11:33
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nomisX-Fade: mhm. Could you look if there is a aproblem with the statusbarclock upload?11:34
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X-Fadenomis: Ok, I'll have a look.11:35
nomisX-Fade: thanks11:36
X-Fadenomis: chinook?11:36
X-FadeIt was accepted by the queuemanager and moved to extras.11:38
nomismhm, it does not seem to end up in the package list of my device.11:38
X-Fade <- I see it here11:39
X-FadeFilename: pool/chinook/free/s/statusbarclock/statusbarclock_0.8_armel.deb11:39
X-FadeSize: 762211:39
X-FadeMD5sum: 1caf8c20e32901bfadc3549ec3167f0111:39
nomismaybe the Section "user/utils" is obsolete.11:40
X-FadeDo you see it with apt-get?11:40
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* nomis realizes that he did not yet enable root access...11:43
X-Fadered pill?11:43
X-FadeLet me try to install it.11:44
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floriangood morning11:46
X-Fadenomis: It is there and installed fine.11:46
nomisX-Fade: ok, weird.11:46
X-FadeAnd it was in utils.11:47
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nomisok, seems my application manager is somehow messed up.11:50
nomisMaybe it got confused by a locally installed package that suddenly turned up in a repository.11:51
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X-Fadenomis: Then it should only show up at installed applications.11:51
nomisyeah, I tried to deinstall it and the app manager refused to do it properly though.11:51
nomisAfter a restart of the device it worked then.11:52
nomisX-Fade: thanks for looking.11:52
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X-FadeNo problem. I want more people to upload to extras, I'll try to help debug problems when they try.11:53
nomisX-Fade: I appreciate it.11:53
X-Fadenomis: Can you try to upload your source package to the autobuilder too? So we can test it some more?11:53
nomisX-Fade: can't it just get the source package from maemo-extras?11:54
nomis(or am I missing the point?)11:54
X-Fadenomis: Well, it is supposed to work the other way around ;)11:54
nomisheh  :)11:54
nomisok, what would I have to do?11:55
X-FadeIdeally you should only upload source packages and the autobuilder should do ther rest ;)11:55
X-FadeThe easiest way is the assistant: or you can use dput as described here:
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nomisX-Fade: I have some problems at the moment - my files are in an inconsistent state and I currently don't have the time at hand to fix this. However, I'll try to keep this in mind.12:04
X-Fadenomis: Ok, no problem.12:05
* nomis adds the chinook extras builder to dput.cf12:06
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trickie_AStorm: did changing the machine id in arch/arm/tools/mach-types allow you to boot a 2.6.25-omap1 kernel?13:09
AStormdon't know yet13:14
AStormthere is an id for N81013:14
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hrwAStorm: how goes kernel?13:23
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AStormhrw: it works in qemu, but not on the device13:25
AStormI'll send it to you for serial testing13:25
acydlordthis whole new church spires as cell towers thing kinda reeks of hypocircy to me13:26
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acydlordand i cant spell13:26
AStormacydlord: *speel ;)13:26
AStormhrw: I guess there's some bug in n810 init code, as the qemu emulates n80013:28
johnxacydlord, yeah, I just read the article. The guy's an idiot.13:28
trickie_AStorm: there is also a patch on the omap list to enable the TSC2301 drivers when using n800_defconfig13:28
acydlordi'm looking through places on, and there are a ton of churches in az with cell towers as spires13:28
AStormtrickie: I prob. have these in13:29
AStormwill check13:29
AStormbut the FB should still start w/o it13:29
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trickie_AStorm: yep, as long as you fix the machine id13:30
AStormmachine ID is ok, duh13:31
AStormthere is an ID for N810 inside13:31
johnxtrickie, probably the best way to soak up cell phone "radiation" is to put one up to your head when there aren't any towers nearby. The phone will boost the power on it's radio to try and reach towers that are barely within it's range13:31
AStormjohnx: that and head is fairly resistant to radiation13:32
AStormtrickie: nokia_n810              MACH_NOKIA_N810         NOKIA_N810              154813:32
trickie_AStorm: yep nokia bootlooder still passes development machine id, but i guess that was you who asked on the list :)13:32
trickie_yep change that to 555513:33
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AStormYay, fixing...13:34
pupnik_how many milliwatt do cellphones emit?13:34
pupnik_and would having a 802.11 antenna close to body be dangerous? :)13:34
acydlordwhich 802.11 revision?13:34
AStormpupnik_: up to 100mW13:34
AStorm802.11 might produce burns if it's powerful enough13:35
AStormmicrowaves ;P13:35
johnxer...I thought older analog phones would go up to almost a full watt13:35
acydlordmy old wrt-g was pushing 2.4ghz @ 400mW13:35
johnx802.11 is like an order of magnitude less13:35
AStormtrickie_: YAY, SUCCESS!!!!!!13:35
AStormnow I'm in the shell13:35
aquatixacydlord: you can tweak those i think13:35
johnxAStorm, it lives?!13:36
aquatixacydlord: at least, i have firmware in which i can set the wattage13:36
acydlordyeah aquatix it was origionally at 170mW13:36
AStormhrw: the machine ID was wrong13:36
aquatixit's about 70mW13:36
johnxAStorm, that's awesome. congrats13:36
aquatixacydlord: ouch13:36
AStormnow, time for more hax13:36
acydlord400mW on a router supposedly violates fcc regs13:36
AStormno, it doesn't13:36
AStormthey must pass special tests then13:37
trickie_AStorm: well machine id was right, nokia shipped a bootloader still using the development machine id13:37
AStorm~lart Nokia bootloader13:38
* infobot cuts off Nokia bootloader's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper13:38
AStormI could set the machine id with the flasher, right?13:38
trickie_not sure13:38
trickie_don't have my dev setup here at work13:38
acydlordoh snap, 802.11 is allowed to be 1watt or less13:39
AStormacydlord: yup13:39
AStormbut it has to be defocused then13:39
acydlord1watt or less with <=6dbi gain13:39
aquatixi could swamp my neighbourhood with signal with that13:39
AStormtoo unfocused13:39
aquatixsmall neighbourhood :P13:40
aquatixat 70mW i already have a really decent reception13:40
acydlordi think my previous setup may be in violation of the fcc regs13:40
acydlord400mW with a 12dbi13:40
trickie_AStorm: if you can specify machine id in the cmdline then yes13:40
AStormI can specify something called hw revision13:41
AStormis that it?13:41
AStormnah, not13:42
trickie_i think thats RX-34 etc13:42
AStormacydlord: no, it's not13:42
acydlordyeah, i borked my math13:42
acydlordbig time13:42
AStormI'd love to have 1W at high dbi13:42
AStormmicrowave gun anyone? :P13:43
aquatixfry that annoying neighbour from a distance :)13:43
acydlordtesla deathray?13:43
AStormwell, air attenuates microwaves13:43
AStormacydlord: no, microwave13:43
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AStorm100W focused emitter would be quite a hurt ;P13:44
Cptn-N800Someone port notepad to maemo and let it import any file no matter if it think it will work or not :/13:44
AStormCptn-N800: use less13:45
AStormor vim13:45
acydlordor leafpad13:45
AStormand I think gedit is available too13:45
Cptn-N800I need to open a opml file as text13:45
AStormacydlord: crispy people13:46
acydlord1000W with a high gain13:46
AStormwe had to heavily shield a 5W emitter for testing ;P13:46
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AStormacydlord: well, you mean, like, rip out and focus the emitter from microwave oven? ;P13:47
AStormbut that wouldn't be portable13:47
AStormat least, not man-portable13:47
acydlordi once watched someone almost walk in front of a wan dish on top of the asu engineering building13:47
* AStorm huggles trickie 13:48
AStormthanks once again13:48
trickie_he he13:48
trickie_the video driver is still borked IIRC13:49
trickie_so i might have a bash at fixing that up13:49
AStormok,time to check if the hacked wifi driver works13:49
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AStormwell, it doesn't respond to manual update ioctls?13:49
aquatixacydlord: reminds me of stories of the ground radar we have here13:49
aquatixyou don't want to walk in front of that when it's on full power ;)13:50
trickie_it doesn't build13:50
aquatixbirds falling out of the sky and such :/13:50
AStormtrickie_: the omap2 one does13:50
AStormomap24xx-cam that is13:50
AStormafter I patched it13:50
AStormwant the patch? (real simple)13:50
AStormI've a patch for bluetooth too13:50
trickie_AStorm: sure...13:51
AStorm - the full diff vs head13:51
trickie_AStorm: ta13:52
acydlordman i hope they atleast add a 1mp or greater cam to the next IT13:52
AStormand rotatable one?13:52
AStorm(like in N800, but better)13:53
qwerty12N800 one was fine.13:53
qwerty12Rotation wise that is.13:53
johnxhopefully they have some better surplus cams this time :D13:53
acydlordthe cam on the n95 would be nice13:53
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trickie_AStorm: thanks, i had similar changes except for the video driver...13:53
trickie_AStorm: you should get them merged in linux-omap113:54
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hrwAStorm: hw revision is version of n800/n810 ardware13:54
hrwAStorm: n810 has 801/2/3/4 and 901/2 iirc versions13:55
AStormhrw: yes... there's no easy way to set that ID13:55
AStorm805 too :>13:55
AStormtrickie_: I will post the patch to the list after splitting it up13:55
hrwAStorm: so which kernel youhave? 2.6.25-omap?13:56
AStormnow, 2.6.25-omap113:57
trickie_AStorm: cool13:57
AStormOk, time for more hacking and disabling of initramfs13:58
AStormlet it load one from OneNAND :>13:58
trickie_AStorm: my MMC driver is busted also... but i haven't had a chance to look into it yet13:58
AStormI think it isn't that broken13:59
AStormIf you mean 2.6.21-nokia-ported, then yes, that needs work to port13:59
AStormgit couldn't pick up the renames13:59
trickie_nah just mainline one13:59
trickie_haven't played too much since the other day13:59
AStormbtw, I wondered why the serial console wasn't working14:00
* AStorm headdesks14:00
AStormSTI was disabled14:00
trickie_well, back to work for me, good luck14:01
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AStormbtw, Menelaus seems to have an RTC built-in14:06
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trickie_AStorm: you going to linuxtag?14:08
hrwAStorm: do you have your git tree published somewhere?14:08
AStormtrickie_: sorry, can't14:09
AStormhrw: it's normal linux-omap head14:09
AStormplus that patch14:09
AStormso no need for it yet :>14:09
hrwAStorm: btw - where are you from?14:09
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AStormhrw: ofc PL14:10
AStormcurrently in Warsaw, but from Gorzów Wielkopolski14:11
hrwAStorm: .pl is big country...14:11
* hrw in Poznañ now14:11
AStormI'll go home for the national holidays, not that far14:12
hrwI will drive through Gorzów on Saturday14:13
hrwbut no break there14:14
AStormI'll test if kexec works :>14:14
AStormno problem14:14
qwerty12AStorm, great :)14:14
AStorma pity I won't be able to go to LinuxTag14:15
AStormexams then ;P14:15
qwerty12I've got my mock exams this week.14:15
AStormhmm, omap24xx-cam uses a bit unsafe spinlocking scheme ;P14:16
AStormwhile tsc2102 does something weird with hwmon_remove_device14:17
AStormok, MMC code is broken14:19
AStormgot a BUG14:19
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AStormneed to grab that off the device14:20
Cptn-N800Maemo bugspray14:20
AStormI wonder if netconsole will work14:21
hrwAStorm: over usbnet?14:21
AStormover g_ether14:21
hrwinteresting use14:21
hrwI have usb ethernet dongle14:22
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AStormI have one too14:22
AStormbut I don't have a gender bender cable yet14:22
hrwI have to buy one too14:23
AStormoh shi*14:23
AStormthe device now has the battery discharged14:23
hrwthen will check how maemo handle all my usb devices at once14:23
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AStormhmm, something happened here14:29
AStormI can't get the device to respond to USB14:29
AStorme.g. for flashing14:30
hrwthats punishment for tryiung newqer kernels14:30
AStormthat should be handled by NOLO14:30
AStormthe problem is that I only get the Nokia screen for a short while14:31
AStormI suspect the battery is discharged14:31
AStormbut, will it charge with the device off?14:31
hrwAStorm: try to boot poky instead of maemo14:31
trickie_i had no issue flashing 2.6.25-omap114:31
trickie_but then my battery was full14:31
AStormhrw: if you tell me how to flash it *now* then... ;P14:31
hrwAStorm: first boot 2.6.21, charge battery14:31
AStormhrw: first flash 2.6.21?14:31
AStormwhoops, Alderson loop14:31
AStormI have a problem here ;P14:32
hrwAStorm: flash 2.6.21 to check battery, charge it (no control charge on !maemo)14:32
acydlordanyone know how to change the "Home" location in mapper?14:32
hrwAStorm: how to flash when usb is not responding?14:32
AStormhrw: the problem is that the device is shutting down because of lack of power14:32
AStormand I can't charge it14:32
hrwAStorm: and you do not have oter device with this battery\14:33
trickie_oh no14:33 external battery charger may be in your future...14:33
hrwAStorm: you are grounded14:33
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AStormhrw: not nearly so14:33
AStormI could buy a new battery (wanted to do that anyway ;P )14:33
hrwAStorm: go to gsm shops and buy 3rdparty charger for battery14:33
AStormthere are none, I've checked many14:34
AStormthere aren't any on the net, even14:34
qwerty12Buy a new phone? :p14:34
AStormqwerty12: lol14:34
AStorm1500 PLN14:34
AStormor an expensive plan14:34
AStormI will buy one, but in June14:35
AStormI could buy a battery and hope it's pre-charged :>14:35
hrwAStorm: bad luck then. for bl-5c there were chargers on allegro14:35
AStormI could actually adapt bl-5c to bl-4c14:36
qwerty12 I find if I have usb and charger plugged in, I get usb connection for a few seconds. Any chance of letting flasher run?14:36
AStormthe difference is in size I think14:36
AStormqwerty12: I don't14:36
AStormit crashes after some 5s14:36
* AStorm feels so stupid about forgetting to charge the battery14:37
hrw1.6GHz pentium M + 5400rpm harddrive is killing combo...14:37
hrwupgrading system (537MB of packages) + git pull (600k revs) + unpacking kernel tarball == slow mess14:38
AStormI know what I could do14:38
AStormask some gsm shop owner to let me charge the battery ;P14:38
qwerty12Are they kinder in Poland than over here? I bet in East London, I'd have to pay :P14:38
AStormI'd probably have to pay here too14:39
AStormit depends on the shop14:39
johnxif I was closer I'd offer to mail you a charged battery in return for your flat one...14:39
johnxany friends with Nokia phones?14:39
hrwAStorm: or find who from your friends has phone with tose batteries14:39
AStormhrw: I'll ask, why not14:39
AStormbut the problem might be, that phone is in use ;P14:39
AStormthe hell14:40
AStormthis Nokia automatically now blinks14:40
hrwworht check anyywa14:40
AStormcharger is trying to get it up14:40
AStormI'll better disconnect it before it destroys the battery14:40
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qwerty12You don't have any serial flasher cables lying around? :/14:41
AStormI won't be able to flash the kernel in 2s14:41
AStorm(the initrd does have dsme and bme working)14:41
AStormis the BP-4L a smart battery with charge mechanism built in?14:43
AStormI mean, only provide stable 3,7V and it will charge?14:43
qwerty12I think it's a bit of a stupid system, having charging depend on initfs. (not even the initfs, it boots into full system). If my W810 is EROM dead, (useless without service cable), it will still charge at lower voltage but not come on.14:44
hrwqwerty12: software charging control is cheaper then hardware?14:44
johnxyeah, Nokia's charging system seems a little braindead...14:44
AStormnot much cheaper14:44
johnx"not much cheaper" x "lots of devices" = "a decent chunk of cash"14:45
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trickie_well im gonna charge by battery as soon as i get home :)14:46
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qwerty12I think johnx got it there. As for me, I'm still having trouble with sb1 and hardy. I've fixed vmware to run in hardy so I'm gonna jack the sbox out of that.14:46
* trickie_ hopes there is still enough juice to flash 2.6.21 kernel14:46
AStormhere? not14:47
johnxwell at least the battery is "user replaceable"14:47
AStorma generic li-poly charger costs like, 20$14:48
qwerty12Yeah, imagine if that happened on iphone...14:48
NaviEveryone knows that you need to pay for warranty to replace your battery14:50
NaviThat's the best way to do it14:50
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johnxthere's nothing like the seamless user experience of being without your phone for a couple weeks just 'cause your battery died :)14:52
NaviIt's only US$69 for two years, after all.14:52
NaviHa, It's US$60 + $7 shipping to replace your battery out of warranty14:53
AStormOk, I know now how Li-Poly should be charged14:53
NaviWhat a rip14:53
AStorm0,8-1 * Vc14:53
AStormuntil it's rated voltage (3,7-4V)14:53
AStormthen charged with that voltage until the current falls below 100mA14:54
AStormVc is capacity in Ah, but in volts14:54
AStormmaybe 0,5C even14:55
AStormI could charge it... from battery then, at least partially14:55
AStormattach 1,5V AA14:55
AStormthat might be too much14:55
AStormmaybe even 1,2V might be too much14:56
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AStormbut that's at least close14:56
* qwerty12 now goes to mount vmware image in Ubuntu. he realises he needs to be careful as he messed up a working sbox install in 7.10 by copying badly.14:57
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AStormhmm, it should be possible to charge that Li-Poly with a standard single NiMH15:39
AStormthe question remains: what will be the current?15:39
RST38hmore current! MORE CURRENT!15:41
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Juhazyou've got 3700mAh "standard NiMH"? that's what it would take to get charge the lipo, even if we took the rather unrealistic assumption that it's 100% efficient15:52
Juhazremember the voltages are different, just because you see huge-looking amper hour ratings on nimh batteries doesn't mean they hold as much energy.15:55
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X-FadeJuhaz: He just needs a little bit of charge in his battery to be able to flash the right kernel back into his device.15:56
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Juhazah, didn't read the first part of the discussion. sounds like spectacularly bad idea...15:58
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X-FadeHeh :)15:58
johnxcharging "raw" li-po or li-ion cells like that is a recipe for disaster, but if it's a smart cell it should just need the right voltage and "do the right thing"15:59
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johnxemphasis on *should*16:00
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Juhazget a friend with 810/e61i/e90 to charge it?16:04
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AStormJuhaz: find me one16:13
AStormit's not sold in this country16:14
AStormfinding a friend with a proper phone would be easier16:14
X-FadeAStorm: Get a battery from ebay for a few bucks? :) I'm pretty sure it woudn't burst into flames before you have flashed your kernel. After that though...16:15
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AStormX-Fade: e-bay in Poland? you must be kidding me16:17
inzAStorm, can't you plug it in charger for the flashing?16:17
AStormBP-4L, baybe16:17
AStorminz: no, it starts from battery16:17
AStormthe charger is enabled later16:17
hrwX-Fade: there is e-bay in Poland but nearly no one sells there16:17
inzAStorm, doesn't it even help it to stay alive?16:18
AStormI managed to flash the nokia kernel16:18
AStormbut not the initfs16:18
X-FadeAStorm: 11 dollar for 2 batteries SHIPPED from hong kong ;)16:18
Juhazthrow in another buck and you'll get standalone charger with that knockoff battery, which might even work...16:18
X-FadeThat is an insane price ;)16:18
AStormX-Fade: I'd rather take my chances and charge using NiMH16:18
hrwX-Fade: 100mA ones?16:18
X-Fadehrw: 1500 mah..16:18
AStorm1000mAh -> about 500mA charge at 1,2V16:18
X-FadeOr so they claim..16:18
AStormshouldn't kill the battery16:19
Atariiare you polish AStorm?16:19
hrwX-Fade: too often 1500mAh those batteries has on sticker only16:19
AStorm(lowering to 200mA)16:19
X-FadeAStorm: Lipos are normally charged at about 1C.16:19
AStormAtarii: no, I'm Javanese? Sure, Polish.16:19
X-FadeAStorm: Anything lower should not be a problem..16:19
AStormX-Fade: you mean voltage or current?16:19
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qwerty12Everyone asks AStorm if he is from Poland :p16:20
AStormmhm, so 1A shouldn't be a problem16:20
AStormso, I can charge it with NiMH16:20
X-FadeAStorm: But that is for lipos without circuits..16:20
AStormno problem then anyway16:20
AStormit should accept the low current16:20
AStormand 0,8C voltage16:21
AStormbut, I don't have proper cables on me16:21
AStormlet's see if I can find some16:21
X-FadeAStorm: Paperclip?16:21
AStormX-Fade: ;P16:21
AStormgood idea16:21
AStormbut attaching that to the power port will be hard16:22
X-FadeNah, you are setting yourself up for a short that way..16:23
AStormyes, exactly16:23
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AStormI could use some duct tape for isolation16:23
X-FadeAnd shorting lipos is NOT what you want to do..16:23
AStormI know16:23
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AStormhaha, battery portals are large enough to NOT short them16:25
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AStormand enter normal paperclip in16:25
AStormthis is weird...16:25
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* X-Fade shouldn't have proposed the paperclip ;)16:26
X-FadePerpaps you can also set 3 batteries in series in parellel over your battery ;)16:27
Juhazyou could also try dynamite16:27
X-FadeOh, there I go again..16:27
* RST38h wonders whether it is better to encourage AStorm's plans or talk him away form them16:27
Juhazplease tell you've at least got protective glasses when you blow it up?16:27
trickie_AStorm: if worst comes to worst, you can mail it to me (amsterdam) and ill charge it for you16:27
RST38hFrom the natural selection point of view, I mean...16:28
AStormnah, Li-Poly won't explode that violently16:28
AStormand I've got a voltmeter on me16:28
X-FadeAStorm: Proabably only give a big flame.16:28
RST38hIt will burn, very big and hot flame too16:28
X-FadeIt only explodes when it can't release the presure..16:28
AStormand hard to extinguish16:29
AStormlithium, water aggravates it ;P16:29
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RST38hAnd if you also drop it into the water....16:29
RST38hYea, AStorm, go ahead, by all means16:29
AStormRST38h: I'm NOT stupid, thank you ;)16:29
RST38hDo set up a webcam, will ya? =)16:29
AStormI have one, but not the correct paperclips16:29
AStormwait till I set up the gear16:29
RST38hBTW, pretty much all Li-based batteries are smart16:30
RST38hExactly to prevent this kind of accidents16:30
X-FadeRST38h: Not the ones I use for my RC heli. Those are regular bombs ;)16:30
AStormforgot I gave all the AAA NiMH to my brother16:30
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AStormor maybe not all, better check16:30
AStormyeah, have some 800mAh still16:31
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AStormhave to charge them still16:32
AStormso wait a few hours ;P16:32
trickie_he he
trickie_god i hope mine still has charge16:33
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AStormactually, that won't happen16:35
AStormI'll charge with a max current of 800mA16:35
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X-FadeThis way of overcharging is prevented by the circuit inside the battery.16:35
AStormwhich is just above 0,5C16:35
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AStormand voltage of 1,2V, which is close to 0,8C16:36
AStormso, this can't happen16:36
AStormit won't charge fully of course16:36
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X-FadeAStorm: If it charges at all ;)16:36
AStormit should16:36
AStormunless I need a voltage step-up16:36
AStormthen I can use these in series16:36
AStormusually the charge is increasing voltage, then decreasing current16:37
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AStormaka, CC-CV16:38
AStormthe problem is that I can't provide smoothly increasing voltage16:38
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AStormwait, do I have a potentiometer on me?16:40
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aquatixAStorm: wet fingers?16:41
AStormno and no16:41
aquatixyou don't have your tounge on you?16:42
aquatixhm :)16:42
AStormI need resistance, not conductance16:42
aquatixah :)16:42
elbwet fingers and a tongue are both rather resistive ;-)16:42
aquatixput some rubbers over your tounge16:42
* aquatix can't type today16:42
AStormelb: not that much16:42
AStormaquatix: that would be a capacitor, dummy16:43
aquatixpotayto potahto :P16:43
* aquatix is more a software person ;)16:43
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AStormok, I fail, I have no potentiometer on hand16:45
AStormwill have to go to the lab tomorrow and borrow one16:45
AStormadded benefit is availability of scopes16:45
elbI guess it's all relative16:46
AStormand proper connectors16:46
AStormplus I'll get all the dumb cheap elements I can, so can build a rudimentary full charge circuit16:46
X-FadeAStorm: Another option is to warm your battery up to get that little extra power.16:47
X-FadeBut don't warm it up too much ;)16:47
AStormX-Fade: and destroy it too? yeah sure :>16:47
AStormactually, s/warm/cool/ ;)16:47
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RST38hAStormL You are already well on your way toward destroying the battery16:47
RST38hSooner, later, who cares? :)16:47
AStormRST38h: well, battery isn't that expensive16:48
AStorm150 PLN or so16:48
AStormfor original Nokia one16:48
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AStormI could actually power on that Nokia using controlled DC power unit16:49
X-FadeAStorm: Nope.16:49
AStormif in the lab16:49
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AStormbut I don't have any USB around there I think16:49
AStormwould have to bring the laptop in16:50
X-FadeAStorm: The device somehow detects the battery.16:50
AStormnah, it doesn't16:50
AStormthere's *no* control port ;)16:50
AStormit detects the battery by measuring proper impendance16:50
AStormand I can fake that16:51
X-FadeAStorm: What it the 3rd pole for?16:51
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AStormor earth, if you will16:52
AStormI wonder if Li-Ion 600mAh 3,7V charger would do ;P16:52
AStormI have one (cell phone, dumdedum) on me16:52
AStormso, now need 3 cables16:53
AStormat worst, the cell phone will explode ;P16:53
AStormit's cheap old junk anyway16:53
aquatixyou have your goggles on you?16:54
RST38hUIQ FastTrack event16:54
RST38hBoston 15-16 may16:54
AStormaquatix: I do wear glasses16:54
* RST38h wonders when they will figure out it is not worth to send this spam16:54
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AStormwhen hell freezes over16:56
AStorm... need cables ...16:56
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Atarii is pretty sweet on the 77016:57
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KhertanHi everyone !17:11
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PauliusHey guys. I have a Nokia 770 and I'm being adventurous. I'm about to flash it to OS 2007 hacker edition using the Windows Nokia Upater/flasher tool. Is there anything else I need to know?17:12
X-FadeDoes anybody know what software is used for and if where the code is available? My google skills are obviously lacking..17:12
PauliusI've also realized that there's a download for OS 2008 hacker edition. Should I try that too or is it too unstable and slow on the 770?17:13
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AtariiPaulius go for 2008he17:16
AStormI gain +1 to stupidity17:17
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AStormmanaged to damage the contacts17:17
AStormnow, this is hard to fix17:17
johnxon the battery? or the N800?17:17
AStormfairly micro these are ;P17:17
johnxglad it wasn't the N80017:17
AStormthe contacts are now loosened, need to tighten them up17:18
AStormthey're now 0,25mm wider at the tightest spot, might be close enough17:22
AStormok, good enough17:23
AStormbut still, need to charge it17:23
PauliusAtarii: Yeah? Any info pages about it?17:24
AStormI should get an IRC-like blogging interface17:24
PauliusIs it going to be slow? Does the 770 fit the requirements17:24
Navi_AStorm: probably.17:24
AStormor maybe, just transform the logs into blog posts ;P17:25
Navi_A lot of people seem to use OS2007HE17:25
Pauliusyeah, exactly17:25
Navi_If you're going to reflash, it doesn't hurt to try it out for a bit anyways17:25
Navi_OS2008HE, that is17:26
PauliusOh... I see.17:26
AStormnow, I still need to hold the cables still somehow, the ports of Samsung and nokia have different +/-/gnd setup17:26
PauliusThe flashing doesn't need the MMC card, does it?17:26
PauliusI'll move stuff to the MMC and then remove it17:26
AStormPaulius: why would it?17:26
Pauliuswell just checking17:26
Pauliusmaybe as a buffer or something17:26
PauliusAnd uhhm...17:26
* Paulius moves backwards to the back-alley.17:26
PauliusIs there any way to get Flash 9?17:27
Navi_There were a few threads on ITT about it17:27
Atariibut it doesnt work very well17:27
Navi_I doubt it'll run great though17:27
Atariiyoutube doesnt work17:27
Atariibut some things do17:27
PauliusYouTube would be the main reason I'd want flash17:28
Navi_Does mytube work with OS2007HE?17:28
Navi_Youtube app17:28
Pauliusyou mean 2008 probably?17:28
AStormPaulius: nah, youtube would be the major reason you'd want YouTube Canola plugin17:28
AStormand thus mplayer with flv support17:28
PauliusCanola totally fubared it's install on my 770.17:28
PauliusThe thing that I'm excited about is... reliability.17:28
Navi_The YouTube Canola plugin kinda blows17:28
PauliusOS 2006's browser crashes a million times17:28
Atariii havnt got it to work in 2008he yet17:28
Pauliusand the thing randomly reboots from time to time17:28
AStormNavi_: why? it works, is nice, etc.17:29
Atarii2008he is fairly fast17:29
AStormbut canola itself doesn't handle mplayer that well17:29
Navi_AStorm: exactly :P17:29
johnxrandom reboots? have you applied the wifi memory corruption fix?17:29
Navi_mytube performs better, which is reason enough not to use it17:29
red-zackfor 770 too?17:29
red-zack"mytube" ?17:30
Navi_I just linked it17:30
Navi_check it out for yourself :P17:30
AStormjust dl the flv and use mplayer17:30
AStormal the players are overrated17:30
AStormesp. flash players17:31
* aquatix has a nice shell script to download youtube flv's17:31
Navi_mytube uses youtube-dl to download flvs and mplayer to play17:31
Navi_youtube xml to search through17:32
aquatixthis script downloads the html and greps the flv's path and downloads it17:32
hrwsomeone speaks italian here?17:32
aquatixeven fetches the highres version if it's there17:33
AtariiPaulius you going for 2008he then?17:33
hrwI need info how 'File' is translated in Italian17:33
aquatixbabelfish says `lima'17:33
aquatixnot sure how hilarious that is17:33
Navi_File beans17:33
Navi_Bad pun went over your head :P17:34
PauliusAtarii: yeah, I'll try 200817:35
aquatixNavi_: ah, got it :)17:35
aquatixhrw: computer file right?17:36
Pauliusarchivio is archive17:36
Pauliuslike ZIP or compressed or something17:36
Navi_File works as file :P17:36
aquatixPaulius: and a file isn't an archive?17:36
PauliusNot in it's original sense17:37
Pauliusit could be, thouhg :-P17:37
luognihrw, i think it's "File" (or can be archive, document, ... it depends on the context)17:37
aquatixmyeah, more like a part of an archive17:37
* johnx sits back to enjoy the arm-chair linguists...17:37
Navi_johnx: Join in, foo!17:37
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aquatixhrw: so, looks like the Italians use `file' for file too :)17:37
aquatixjohnx: :)17:38
hrwthats why I asked17:38
Navi_johnx: or at least give me money!17:38
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johnxNavi, ha!17:39
Navi_I wonder how much my friend paid for these headphones17:40
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AStormdammit, almost flashed ;P17:40
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Navi_Googled it17:40
Navi_He paid US$1017:41
Navi_Panasonic RP-HS4317:41
Navi_Midtones are decent for it's price17:41
aquatixah, those17:41
Navi_Ever use them?17:42
AStormI'll leave it hanging for a while, I think charging is done still, automatically17:42
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AStormbut my wimpy charger doesn't manage to pull it off17:42
AtariiPaulius my advice with 2008he is to install "becomeroot" as soon as its flashed, then "mv metalayer-crawler metalayer-crawler.disabled"17:42
AStormthe USB one though, has enough power17:42
aquatixNavi_: no, i have sennheiser px20017:42
AStormaquatix: ;)17:42
aquatixbut i've seen them around17:42
Pauliuswhat's that crawler thing?17:43
Pauliusbut thansks for advice17:43
AStormNavi_: calling these decent... is a decorum violation ;P17:43
johnxPaulius, indexes your media files, sometimes goes crazy17:43
Atariisomething which searches for media, but its maxes out the cpu to 100%17:43
Navi_AStorm: :/17:43
Pauliusah yeah17:43
Atariiso changing the name of it stops that17:43
aquatixAtarii: does mediaplayer still get up to date afterwards?17:44
AStormoh, it... BOOTED17:44
acydlordhmm, apparently the city i moved to has a pretty big geocache crowd17:44
aquatixAStorm: it's ALIVE! *couch*17:44
AStormgot to the "adv boot menu" prompt17:44
Atariigood question :p17:44
Navi_I have a set of Panasonic RP-HC500s17:44
Atariii havnt added media to try it yet17:44
AStormso something has been written17:44
AStorm"Booting from flasg..."17:44
AStormand now I got that charging screen, good17:44
AStormnow, let's leave it like that for a few hours17:45
aquatixNavi_: those look quite decent17:45
aquatixmore expensive than mine i guess :P17:45
AStormok, crashed ;P17:45
Navi_I like 'em17:45
Navi_Spent around 90 on them17:45
* aquatix likes his px20017:45
AStormbut now booted quicker17:45
aquatixfoldable even17:45
AStormit's starting to *LIVE*...17:45
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AStormthe initrd flash wasn't complete it seems17:46
aquatixit gained consciousness17:46
AStormbut I'll let it charge some17:46
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PauliusI was asking about the MMC card17:47
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johnxasking what about the mmc card?17:48
AStormgood, it's stabilising...17:48
AStormit seems to be charging all right17:48
AStormthe patient should live17:49
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trickie_AStorm: awesome17:49
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AStormneed to buy one AC-4E17:50
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AStormor better17:50
AStormall are rated at 890mA anyway ;P17:50
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AStormbetter still, I should buy one and then use the spare plug to build a better charger17:52
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AStormand/or that battery pack17:52
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AStormbtw, N can accept 6V just fine17:54
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AStormthey must have a fairly nice power regulator inside17:54
aquatixAStorm: experience? :)17:54
AStormaquatix: yes, cheap charger ;P17:54
AStormmeasured it at 6V17:55
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AStormbut I think that high load causes it to drop voltage17:55
AStormI suspect Nokia uses the same chip I found, that Maxim, it's very popular in cell-phone applications17:56
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AStormthat has a range of 1,2V to 6V, but it will only provide enough current for N to work at least at 4,5V17:57
PauliusI think my sound spotted working on OS 2008HE17:57
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AStormI sense a kernel failure ;)17:58
Pauliusshould I be agraid?17:58
Atariino its a bug, shouldve mentioned that17:58
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AStormI need to get that scratchbox done after I build the kernel17:59
AStormor... or maybe Gentoo17:59
Pauliuswell hmm, weird.17:59
AStormit should be possible to run wifi using that cheap hack DSME17:59
AStormand BME too17:59
AStormthen add a cfg80211 -> Dbus proggie17:59
hrwAStorm: which hack?18:00
AStormwhich I'll write18:00
AStormin Python.18:00
hrwpython? :(18:00
AStormwhy not?18:00
AStormI could rewrite in C later on18:00
hrwAStorm: takes precious rootfs space ;)18:01
AStormwhy does that need to be on rootfs?18:01
hrwI am grown on zaurus sl-5500 which had 14MB for rootfs18:01
AStormit's user-space18:01
AStormyou can put it anywhere18:01
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Paulius2008he is very very slow18:01
PauliusI hope it's because of that indexing thing18:01
AStormsome, yes18:01
AStormbut it's just heavier too18:01
plbyay on xchat on my n810 =)18:02
AStormplb: sloooooow you are18:02
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infobotsomebody said xchat-maemo was X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from and should be in 'extras' soon18:02
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plbwell I just got it18:02
AStormgood for you18:02
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hrwPaulius: 2007he was slow so nothing strange that 2008he is slow too18:02
AStormI'd love to see the patches that guy added18:03
AStormthen improve on them18:03
Pauliushmm well damn18:03
AStorme.g. provide kinetic scrolling18:03
PauliusI think I'll need to go back to 200618:03
PauliusI can't stand this...18:03
Atarii2008he is the faster os on my 77018:03
AStormPaulius: just disable non-essential services18:03
PauliusI don't like the fact that even the onscreen keyboard is lagging18:03
AtariiPaulius do the metacrawler thing18:03
PauliusAStorm: How?18:03
PauliusI'm right now entering my WPA key18:03
AStormPaulius: /etc/rc.*/something18:03
Pauliusto get on the net to get gainroot18:03
AStormyou can drop the metalayer crawler that way18:03
AStormmedialib-crawler or wtfit'scalled18:04
AStormatkarc: hi18:04
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kaatissay "update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove" as root18:05
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AStormor just rm it from proper rc.<number>18:06
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AStormJuhaz: no one locks the phones, for some reason18:54
Pauliusoh man... new GAME18:55
Pauliusoh my god... it's tetris18:55
PauliusI'll be spending hours on this18:55
term-sigoh, one more question guys..18:55
AStormthen don't even try gemrb18:55
Pauliuswhat's that?18:56
AStorm(ah, that won't work on SU-18)18:56
AStormPaulius: Baldur's Gate 2 engine18:56
AStormopen version18:56
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AStormand especially don't try out these console emulators18:57
Pauliusthe sound problem is ticking me off18:57
term-siganyone get any solution for accessig emails on exchange excluding webrowser?18:57
Pauliusit also takes a while to get into the sound settings panel18:57
Pauliusand the funny thing is that I can hear some sounds18:57
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Pauliuswhen I close windows18:58
Pauliusand the bootup sound18:58
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Pauliusweb browser very slow...18:59
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johnxPaulius, no way to get around that. It's not that fast on the n800 either...19:02
PauliusWell it's not that bad when it's actually loaded.19:02
PauliusWhat I care is stability.19:02
PauliusOpera on 770 used to crash me A LOT.19:02
PauliusIf this thing doesn't crash, it's worth the reduction in speed19:02
johnxPaulius, did you ever apply the wifi memory corruption fix on OS2006?19:03
PauliusI didn't apply anything.19:03
PauliusI just know that it had the latest version19:03
PauliusI checked the version of 200619:03
johnxwell, that would definitely be part of the problem...19:03
johnxnot to say that it will make everything perfect, but it would have certainly helped19:03
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PauliusWell I got OS 2008 now19:04
PauliusI'm as happy as a pig in plop19:04
johnxgood to hear19:04
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RST38hanybody knows what is new in today's Personal Menu update?19:10
Proteousfree haircuts I hear19:11
AStormnew icon? ;P19:11
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RST38hshows the same icon =)19:12
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ssvbhi, can anybody help with getting such video sample?
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johnxwow...haven't been keeping up with personal-menu updates. That looks awesome...19:28
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Atariigot a link johnx?19:28
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AStormbtw, does someone have the root= address of the fourth chip?19:31
AStormyou know, the normal rootfs one19:31
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AStormwant to move initfs there in the future19:32
johnxAStorm, is it printed in the kernel boot messages?19:33
AStormhmm, maybe19:33
AStormbut it's still charging ;)19:33
johnxdoes that look helpful?19:33
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AStormhow does that translate to root=1f08 option?19:34
AStorm(for initfs)19:34
johnxno clue19:34
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pupnikheh all the kids are curious about internet tablets19:45
pupnik"whoah that looks cool"19:45
AStormnever ever give it to a girl19:46
AStormyou won't be able to recover it for an hour19:46
pupnikyeah i was at a family thing yesterday and the only thing that stopped em was low battery19:46
pupnikbtw numpty physics needs an easier level set for kids19:47
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unixSnobI've found that girls tend to be fascinated with the video phone feature19:57
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* unixSnob thinks a good ad campaign for Nokia would be to give a free NIT w/ gizmoproject accts to two kids in every class - it will quickly become a must have to the other children19:58
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pupnikKids seem to be more interested in the newer type games and stuff.  But parents might be interested in a portable device that's not so optimized towards games.20:00
pupnikSo 'here's your awesome portable thingamabob.  It can play some games, but it's better for internet, drawing, mails, communication etc'20:00
unixSnobperhaps boys.. I think girls are more interested in communication than games20:01
Mouseymmm, girl gamers...20:01
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pupnikMaybe, my 6 year old daughter-of-cousin was kicking butt in mario on NDS yesterday.20:01
adam_has someone already compiled the wii mote drivers for the n800 2008 os?20:02
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johnxadam_, of course :)20:05
adam_is it in the repository20:06
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johnxit's on itt20:07
johnxgoogle wiimote n800, and it's the first result20:07
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pupnikwb qwerty1220:08
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qwerty12pupnik, hi20:09
adam_johnx: cool20:09
konttoriadam_ there is a python script that handles the wiimotes perfectly20:10
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konttoriDone by a spanish guy20:11
konttorireally nice and easy to use20:11
konttoriAs it happens, I'm just about to make it even easier to use.20:11
qwerty12Can someone save me from reflashing and send me a copy of their "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon" folder please? :(20:11
pupnikis anybody really using the wiimote for anytihng?  konttori ?20:11
johnxqwerty12, tar.gz to an email address ok? or can I just rsync it right to your tablet?20:12
pupnikmine is pretty customized qwerty1220:12
qwerty12johnx, tar.gz is fine, mind if I PM you email?20:12
qwerty12pupnik, thanks :)20:13
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lcuk2can we get at the mii's from the wiimote?20:20 command not found <-- where can I find this script?20:21
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towoThere's tools for that, lcuk2, IIRC.20:21
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lcuk2tank-man, depending on what you have done, i would say you are: not logged in correctly to your scratchbox, have selected a target which has been "reset" or you have simply b0rken your box20:23
lcuk2you shouldnt have to just get hold of the script on its own20:23
lcuk2(as far as i know anyway)20:23
tank-manok, i'll try going over what i did20:24
lcuk2did it work correctly earlier?20:26
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pupnikhmm rick astley does have a good voice20:26
qwerty12rick rolled? :p20:27
pupnikyeah, again20:27
lcuk2have you seen the muppet one?20:27
lcuk2with beaker singing :D20:27
pupnikno, linky20:27
qwerty12I've never actually been rick rolled because I keep my volume off and all the rick rolls aren't the video :/20:27
lcuk2muppets ^20:28
lcuk2sync is impressive20:28
pupnikwow well done20:28
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konttoripupnik: Here again!21:14
konttoriI just managed to streamline the wiimote process... Stay tuned for a deb...21:14
konttoriIt's now basically like this: You run the python script. It asks you to press 1+2 on wiimote.21:15
AStormall the wiitards unite! ;)21:15
konttoriYou click that. And.... tadat. it's mapped to your device.21:15
konttoridpad works as it should, a, b work nicely, + - work, 1 opens system menu 2 open app menu21:15
konttori.... and it's easy to configure21:16
konttoriNow, for you pupnik, this should be so great to map to the emus21:16
Mouseywiimote for maemo?!21:16
konttoriMost of the work has been done by other people. I just made it now a little bit easier to use.21:16
Mouseyye godz21:16
konttoriIf anyone wants to try immediately, let me know.21:17
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konttoriI don't have any gui, so I have build that and then do the packaging.21:17
pupnikkonttori: very cool..21:17
konttoriSo, I can put the code to pastebin, but otherwise, I'll focus on that for the next hour.21:17
pupnikyou do many nice things21:17
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pupniki can not integrate your work.  i can link to it if you want21:18
* Mousey doesn't have a wiimote21:18
pupnikwelcoem back unique31121:18
pupniklong time no talk21:18
Mousey...speaking of21:19
unique311been working on a notebook.21:19
konttoriIt's basically mapping the stuff as X events21:19
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Mousey...does anyone know how to get "Mapper" to work with the internal GPS on the 810? i got it working with "maemo mapper", but the same method doesn't work with Mapper21:19
konttoriok. I'm now digging into the UI code. See you guys in 0.5 to 1 hour21:19
Mouseykonttori: ty!21:20
AStormMousey: you mean Map application or what?21:20
MouseyAStorm: i mean "Mapper" which is apparently a fork of "Maemo Mapper"21:20
AStormuse GPS bluetooth device21:20
AStormand not gpsd21:20
Mouseyit doesn't find it21:20
Mouseyit wants to scan for it21:20
Mouseyor some nonsense21:20
Mouseyi mean21:20
AStormhow does this Mapper differ from Maemo Mapper?21:21
Mouseyi know leaving the MAC blank works for Maemo Mapper21:21
MouseyAStorm: i'd love to find out.. the graphics are prettier, there are more options.. but i can't get it to see the GPS so i can't tell beyond that21:21
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webustanyhi there21:29
webustanyI'm beginning with osso, hildon and friends, and was wondering how you can get a "native" look for your apps. For example, I have a treeview, but it doesn't look at all like the fileview in the file browser21:30
webustanyit looks like a standard themed gtk treeview...21:30
fysaWhat's a good example of a well-maintained open source project?21:31
fysaThat uses community tools for patch management/discussion.21:32
AStormlike, uhm, bugzilla?21:32
AStormor trac?21:32
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AStormWhat do you expect from a well-maintained oss project?21:32
fysatrac is good -- but was hoping someone here had worked/dug into a project that for example used trac well to manage itself.21:33
AStormTry Xorg :>21:33
AStormNo, just kidding.21:33
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elbPidgin uses trac21:35
elband we like it21:35
AStormgood example21:35
elbas to whether or not we're well-managed, that's open for debate ;-)21:35
fysathanks elb21:36
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plbhm any new yorkers have an extra stylus for the n810 ;]21:49
konttori1st UI ready.21:49
plbthey are willing to part with21:49
konttori(bad one though)21:49
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konttoripupnik: Any recommendations for the 1+2 keys?21:56
konttoriI'll create the first version without user modifiable layout (or two premade layouts)21:57
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pupnikkonttori: no21:59
konttorilandscape or portrait?21:59
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konttoriDo you btw have a wiimote?21:59
konttori(as in, is there any reason to ask you)21:59
unique311i use the wiimote with the n800 a couple of times22:00
unique311works really good22:00
konttoriYou should still love this new script. So easy to use. Two python scripts. No hassle. Easy to configure. Outputs X events, so all apps work with it.22:01
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unique311i tried it.22:02
pupniki do not konttori.  i have no interest.  make the buttons mappable22:02
unique311is there a new release out?22:02
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konttoriI'll make the buttons mappable. Just not today.22:03
unique311kontorri, link?22:03
konttoriWell, I'm making a nice and easy to use version of the wiicontrol with GUI now.22:03
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konttoriIt's almost there now. I can put a test version for you now if you want. (or better yet, email it to you ... what's your email?)22:04
unique311unique11210 (a) gmail.com22:04
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qwerty12_N800Do you mean that wiicontrol script by jldiaz?22:06
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pupnik"people use drugs to prevent death.  people use drugs because death is inevitable." - Arnim Sauerbier22:08
KotCzarnyquoting yourself?22:09
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konttoriqwerty12_N800: Yeah, it's a derivative of that.22:15
konttoriNo need to manually run the discovery, change the source code to contain the mac and has a UI22:16
konttori(and desktop file)22:16
fysavery cool22:16
* lardman is confused22:16
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* konttori will now try packaged version once, then sends it to unique31122:20
unique311thank ya kindly22:21
konttorinp! It's going to be: a) ugly and b) swamped with issues when you get it. Should be much nicer tomorrow. However, it's working already (which is nice)22:22
lardmanany TLB experts about?22:22
lardmanTBL even22:22
AStormok, my N810 works22:22
AStormstill charging though22:22
AStormI won't experiment from now on w/o a full charge22:22
konttoriI need to move it to threaded model and gtk main loop.22:22
konttoriand that takes a bit time.22:22
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AStormand add some fresh new bugs?22:24
lcuk2i thought bugs were the special sauce you pour over all new code22:24
lardmanis Gregale the last non-Hackers' edition release for the 770?22:25
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fysado gestures work, konttori?22:25
AStormyes, OS200722:25
fysai.e., twist/tilt/accelerate left/right?22:25
konttorifysa: nope, but they should be *relatively* easy to implement.22:26
konttoriI'll just start with buttons.22:26
fysaoh, and the remote speaker would be cool.22:26
konttoriThen comes the more complex stuff.22:26
lcuk2everytime i try to use the wiimote with my 810 it gets some of the way along, but the sensor bar keeps falling off the top22:26
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lardmanAStorm: is that the same as maemo3.0? I really can't remember22:27
MangoFusionsounds like a hardware mod is in order22:27
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fysaplug N800 into stereo receiver, then use wiimote twitch to skip tracks/rotate to change volume, and speak the currently playing track through the Wiimote speaker. ;)22:27
* lardman looks for the old tutorial22:27
MangoFusionbring on the LED's!22:27
AStormthere's a page about that22:28
fysaI should probably just take another bong hit.22:28
AStormor two?22:29
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fysaI need to become independently wealthy so I can pay people to do these 'what if ..' projects for me.22:29
konttoriI'm using by Will Woods.22:30
konttoriIt has rumble, gyro support,22:30
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konttoriir tracking support22:30
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konttoridoesnt seem to have the sound support though22:32
lcuk2fysa, world domination is overrated.  once you get there you still want more and eventually discover its the trying which is important.22:32
fysathis is correct.  as soon as something is working/the norm, I am almost immediately disinterested.22:33
fysabut I need an army.22:34
lardmanfysa: a man after my own heart22:34
lardmanif everything worked straight out of the box it would be boring22:35
AStormEris Discordia, anyone? ;)22:35
KotCzarnyToday is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 317422:36
RST38hwho said world domination is overrated?22:36
RST38hdid you try?22:36
KotCzarnywhich world?22:36
fysamy problem is that the coolest ideas aren't necessarily the profitable ideas.22:36
AStormyes, maybe except Wii22:37
fysathus if I do all of them, my wife will leave me and I will become .. independently poor.22:37
RST38hKot: This one. We will discuss other worlds ater reaching this milestone.22:37
KotCzarnypeople are b0rken22:37
fysasetup a basecamp22:37
RST38hfysa: But think of the triumph for the open source!22:37
KotCzarnywhat's the fun of controlling world of people22:37
RST38hKot: You can kill them off.22:38
RST38hOr make them build pyramids.22:38
RST38hOr make them build rockets and fly into outer space.22:38
AStormand have a space war22:38
RST38hNot necessarily22:38
KotCzarnyspace war takes too long22:38
AStormnah, that would be quite fun ;P22:38
KotCzarnyfor human life22:38
RST38hnaval warfare is more fun22:38
KotCzarnystick and stone is more fun22:39
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RST38hbut because submarines and missiles are so effective, you would have to start by creating a rigid code of conduct for naval warfare22:39
RST38hsame for space war, actually22:39
KotCzarnyyou don't have to after having one22:39
RST38hThat is why they had New Busido in Hyperion Cantos22:40
RST38hKot: Oh, the whole idea is to do it again and again22:40
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RST38hThe whole mutual destruction idea is only 50+ years old22:40
AStormRST38h: well? why? Space is so immense, even without a code it'd be fun.22:40
AStormand not slaughter22:40
RST38hActually, the occupation idea is only 100 years old22:41
RST38hAStorm: ships are too frgile22:41
RST38hOne good hit - and it is done for22:41
AStormadd some shielding system22:41
AStormah, wait, you'd have to command people to do science22:41
RST38hAnd you can just as well use automated weaponry, with so many variables in space22:41
RST38hNo, no22:42
fysaWhat if we conquered the universe out to the edges, and then ran into an all-encompassing nebula of salty seawater and were forced to build a new fleet of Seapace super carriers and battleships to pillage space pirates for their space booty and space bucks?22:42
AStormlow-speed warfare would be like aerial22:42
KotCzarnyif you use automated weaponry why not just playing wow or something?22:42
RST38hNothing to do with science. It is too expensive to put big weights in orbit, and also expensive to accelerate them22:42
RST38hKot; ñÂÒßÅÄÌ22:42
AStormRST38h: currently22:42
KotCzarnyi don't have cyryllic font :)22:42
RST38hSo, to make things real fun, you would have to have a code of conduct22:43
RST38hKot: Sorry, wrong register22:43
AStormpupnik: creepy22:43
KotCzarnydouble creepy22:43
RST38hThe robowoman22:43
AStormoh, why clones22:43
AStormyes, ROBOTS :>22:43
AStormsimulated warfare, but real ;P22:43
sp3000space tits?22:44
AStormpupnik: yes, so? the face makes it creepy22:44
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* sp3000 swoops in with an all-encompassing synthesis22:44
KotCzarnyone body, two heads?22:45
pupnikthe photoshop nerds can go stuff themselves.  you can do stuff with gimp22:45
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* KotCzarny shrugs22:45
RST38hrobowoman vs. faux-negro vs. old zoldat22:45
fysaThe Uncanny Valley, demonstrated.22:45
pupniki won't repeat your comments here KotCzarny22:45
konttoriunique311: sent!22:45
lcuk2it doesnt sound the same if you gimp yourself22:46
RST38hThe funny thing is, while the first two are beating on each other, the third wins.22:46
pupnikwank to hillary22:47
webustanyhow can I get the same look for the apps I develop and the native apps ? For example, scrollbars for apps I develop are stock GTK, whereas the scrollbars in the file manager or in the web browser are "skinned"...22:48
AStormok, we need rtorrent on the tablet22:48
konttoriDamn! key binding error.22:48
KotCzarnythe old saying is once black is president of us it's the end of the world22:48
webustanyAStorm: you got transmission...22:48
AStormKotCzarny: no, that was about the pope22:48
KotCzarnyi have heard it with us-prezi version too22:48
AStormwebustany: nah22:48
konttoriI'll resend the deb to you22:48
RST38hKot: Do black cats count?22:50
KotCzarnycats have religion and authorities in sandtray22:50
lcuk2cats worship a god called Clister22:51
KotCzarnysandbox i mean22:51
konttorihmm... key pressed event isn't working properly though.22:52
AStormwhat do you recommend for me to install?22:52
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KotCzarnyi sense something22:54
KotCzarnyyou all know about 42, right?22:54
KotCzarnythis can't be only a coincidence:
konttoriunique311: Did you try it out?22:54
{abo}Hi all :)22:54
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unique311installing it22:56
lcuk2{abo} hi22:56
unique311had to find the mote22:56
konttoriOh man. It's working really really sweet.22:56
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{abo}I got a new N810. It charged one or two cycles, but then stopped charging. Anyone have any ideas what to do, besides returning it?22:56
konttoriI was just testing the image viewer. Works beautifully.22:56
{abo}It was still on, so the battery wasn't dead, when I connected the charger. I watched it die...22:56
konttoriThere should be a page up page down binding for convenient browsing.22:57
lcuk2abo, take the battery out. put it back in again (so device is 100% switched off..) then make sure charger is plugged into wall and switched on and then plug into 81022:57
{abo}(I tried asking in #nokia-tablet first. Thanks hfwilke. :) )22:57
{abo}lcuk2: Tried that, kept the battery out 5 minutes.22:58
lcuk2abo, you were using the standard nokia charger werent u?  ie the one for your country?22:58
{abo}(And charged disconnected too)22:58
lcuk2tried a different socket?22:58
{abo}That too :)22:58
lcuk2diff charger?22:59
{abo}Don't have one at hand, but I can look for one.22:59
lcuk2i think you might be looking at an rma anyway, especially since you saw it go off - there was no magic smoke was there?22:59
{abo}The blue smoke is still inside it. :)23:00
{abo}Yeah, I guess it's an RMA. Doh.23:00
lcuk2if you bought it from a brick store you could get lucky if you ask to check it with an instore charger23:01
lcuk2or ask around friends23:01
AStormwhere do I get that LMS plugin for Vorbis?23:02
NullM0demis it unsafe practice to plug in charger while n810 i powerd on, most handheld helds i have onwed can be used while charging...23:02
AStormI have ogg-support 0.623:02
AStormNullM0dem: no, it's very safe23:02
{abo}Yeah, I'll find another charger. :)23:02
{abo}Thanks lcuk2 and others.23:02
KotCzarnyonly charging can be slower if you use it23:02
lcuk2NullM0dem, mines in and out all the time (ive got 2 - one at bedside and one near computer) and they just plug as i sitdown23:02
AStormok, again23:03
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AStormwhere do I get proper ogg-support?23:03
lcuk2the only thing i would recommend is give that initial charge as long as possible.   give yourself at least some time to read the getting started before even attempting to switch on23:03
unique311kontorri, it works over here..23:03
{abo}Heh, I let mine charge fully before I even switched it on. Look where that got me! *chuckles*23:04
lcuk2lol abo, shurrup - you have static hands.23:04
lardmanHas anyone here compiled a kernel for the n800?23:04
KotCzarnyprobably most of us23:04
* lcuk2 hasnt 23:04
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Atariilet me guess, you had some "Private time" whilst it charged?23:04
Atariiand "worked up some static" ?23:05
lardmanI see it's trying to use nokia_2420_defconfig, rather than something with n800 in the name. Is that normal?23:05
{abo}Atarii: :P I was at work...23:05
Atariii bet you were23:05
KotCzarnyi don't know, i used make n800_defconfig or similiar to generate .config23:05
KotCzarnythen i went to make menuconfig23:05
lardmanI was just trying dpkg-buildpackage with the defaults23:06
lcuk2Spandex and nokias do not like each other.  the buildup of crass inteferes with the electronics23:06
fysaoh, next time someone compiles a kernel .. pretty please try to enable md w/all raid levels.  I wouldn't mind playing with that.. ;)23:06
KotCzarnyheh.. package?23:06
KotCzarnywill it flash the kernel when installed?23:06
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AtariiDisplay stays lit > When charging does not seem to work in 2008he23:07
fysaI want to see if I can take a 5-drive USB enclosure and use an N800 as a RAID server (linux software raid)23:07
lardmanKotCzarny: you never know; it might make a source deb though :-p23:07
KotCzarnysource deb? o.O23:07
KotCzarnythat would be an overkill for my 128kbit uplink23:07
lardmanwith that said, it complained about too many files open or something like that23:08
lardmanhmm, arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-camera.c:204: error: `tcm825x_regs_rx44' undeclared (first use in this function)23:08
lardmanrx44 sounds vaguely like a new model23:08
lcuk2mine 4423:09
lardmanoh, shame23:09
lcuk2ug!   jeesus i might try grammar23:09
fysadoes the N800 have a full-speed N800 interface?23:09
fysasorry, full-speed USB interface.23:09
lcuk2seems like caveman is contagious23:09
NullM0demlcuk2: Im going to let it initially charge for about 8 hours, Im still waiting on my n810, I orderd from newegg and they shippe dit out of ontario CA, its been sitting thier according to ups tracking for 3 days :(23:10
timelyxfysa: usb1 or usb2? :)23:10
* timelyx is pretty sure it's full speed usb1 ;-)23:10
KotCzarnyusually in less than optimal brain operating conditions23:10
fysa[  647.438598] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using musb_hdrc and address 823:10
lcuk2they could charge it up for you whilst its sitting there23:11
solmumahahmmm, device froze and after reboot sdhc card was dead :( hope it's not completely gone23:11
konttoriunique311: Great to hear that (I've been testing on diablo - so wasn't sure all the BT stuff would be the same)23:12
AStormwhere do I get lightmediascanner-ogg?23:12
* lardman sees that his questions have already been answered, the wonders of Google23:12
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KotCzarnysolmumaha: n810 ?23:14
konttoriI wonder how the SDL could be convinced to also accept the input23:14
lcuk2sdl runs ontop of x i think23:14
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lcuk2at least on this device23:14
KotCzarnycan be bad contacts23:15
KotCzarnyif it doesn't work try reinserting?23:15
lcuk2take it out, blow on the contacts and try again23:15
solmumahano, even switched slots23:15
KotCzarnyusb card reader?23:15
solmumahacan't reformat it, but it detects it23:16
lcuk2theres like kot, but not as we know it23:16
KotCzarnywhat fs you had on it?23:16
lcuk2life ffs23:16
konttorilcuk2: But it seems that the events are not handled in the same manner23:16
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* lcuk2 starts using fingers instead of clubs23:16
konttoriI suppose it needs the up and down events of the keys.23:17
solmumahan800 that is, haven't tried usb23:17
solmumahadefault fat23:17
* konttori will have to improve on that regard - games are where this babes at23:17
solmumahaless than month old card23:17
lcuk2konttori, not sure if its the right direction, but have you considered using the same method the raw mouse pressure stuff works?23:17
konttoriwhat's that?23:18
konttoriany examples?23:18
lcuk2ill find link23:18
KotCzarnysolmumaha, if it's only vfat corruption then it's relatively ok, worse if it's a badblock23:18
KotCzarnybut still solvable23:18
KotCzarnyi think23:18
solmumahayeah, must try tomorrow23:19
lcuk2it manages to insert non standard events into the standard x events list which apps can listen for23:20
AStormblah,ran out of disk space23:21
fysa16GB card arrived yesterday23:21
AStormhave to move all that to mmc23:21
AStormthe system, I mean23:21
solmumahai so hope they fix this touchscreen double/triple click problem23:21
fysatime for unionfs?23:21
* lcuk2 feels inadequate now, i just bought a 1GB card :(23:22
* KotCzarny has 4 and 8gb23:22
KotCzarny4 was a spare lying on the shelf23:22
fysa16gb was down to $60 and the wife needed a card for her camera, so I scored an extra ;)23:22
* solmumaha used to have too23:22
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|zeus|strange thing23:23
AStormfysa: no, unionfs is suck23:23
|zeus|i have two mini sd cards23:23
AStormtime to move it to internal mmc23:23
|zeus|512m pqi and 4gb kingston23:23
|zeus|pqi works fine with my n81023:23
KotCzarnyi have mostly mp3 and maps on it though23:23
|zeus|but kingston doesn't work23:24
lcuk2minisdHC i believe for larger cards23:24
KotCzarnyand cloned os23:24
KotCzarnyso 1gb will be more than enough :)23:24
|zeus|n810 doesn't support sdhc?23:24
Mouseyyea does, homey23:25
|zeus|so, why it can't recognize 4gb kingston card?23:26
|zeus|my laptop recognize it well23:26
lcuk2i dunno, mail it to me i'll test it for you ;)23:26
fysa|zeus|, power down device, take battery out, put back in..  and retry.23:26
Mouseyand unplug from usb23:27
fysaand hope that there was an issue with the mountpoint being locked by an old card..23:27
AStorm"Unable to uninstall powerlaunch"23:28
AStormhow to get rid of the damned thing?23:28
|zeus|fysa: lock saved after reboot?23:28
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fysareboots with power might just be an init down/back up?  I don't know.23:29
|zeus|it doesn't work23:29
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|zeus|VERY strange23:29
|zeus|does anyone tried kingston cards with n8xx?23:29
* KotCzarny has 2 kingston cards in n80023:30
KotCzarny4 and 8gb23:30
fysaif it's kingston, it probably has a nice long warranty and can be RMA'd to try a different one ;)23:30
Mouseyis there a menu entry for powerlaunch?23:30
AStormI've one 1G23:31
AStormworks ok23:31
|zeus|fysa: yes, i'm already change one, but, again, it works fine with my laptop23:31
* Mousey decides to rtfm23:32
konttoriyes. I'm on track to get the key up key down stuff working properly23:32
fysaare you using a 48mhz kernel?23:32
konttorithanks lcuk223:32
lcuk2konttori, that was a viable direction?23:32
konttoriwell, it gave me an idea to try23:33
lcuk2cool :D23:33
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woodwizzleI'm having some trouble. In the application manager, when I try to download anything nothing downloads. I tried refreshing the repos and it says it is downloading a 5kb file, the progress bar fills up and then it just waits23:36
zakkmHi.. i was here yesterday and i wanted to try to update my nokia 770 to the new 2008HE and so i got the windows nokia installer. .but it says it cant find my nokia? but it shows USB connected on my nokia23:36
lcuk2500KB/s with ssh is quick isnt it?23:36
KotCzarnyregular for n8x023:36
lcuk2zakkm, it is trying to find it in a Service/update mode.  if its detected as USB its gone too far23:36
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zakkmso what should i do right now23:36
lcuk2consider whether you want 2008he on your device...   its testing only you understand and is not stable23:37
zakkmyeah i like risky stuff23:37
zakkmi use experimental / alpha / testing linux packages/distros all the time23:37
zakkmas long as it doesnt brick it im fine23:38
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lcuk2does the nokia standard windows flasher actually update to 2008?23:40
woodwizzleis it possible that my apt sources are screwed up or something?23:40
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zakkmlcuk2: i dont know the guide on maemo said to download the bin .. which i did.. and the updater23:40
lcuk2woodwizzle, its likely one or other of your repos are busted23:40
zakkmi guess ill be able to tell you soon?23:40
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lcuk2zakkm, i believe the nokia updater gets the latest available public release for your device23:41
zakkmit asked for the bin seperately?23:41
zakkmfor me to dl it?23:41
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lcuk2the 2008he i would imagine will need the proper full customizable linux based flasher23:41
zakkmso wouldnt it use that bin i downloaded?23:41
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lcuk2im not sure, all i know is how it worked for me with my 81023:42
zakkmhow do i get into this service/update mode you were talking about23:42
lcuk2others might be more helpful23:42
RST38h...Over the course of 4 months he and a friend constructed the rope using 18,500 condoms and a tried-and-true mathematical formula...23:42
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woodwizzlelcuk2: is there a  quick way to figure our which one?23:42
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AStormRST38h: exquisite - which formula? ;P23:43
KotCzarny18500? that's expensive23:43
lcuk2but flexible23:43
zakkmAStorm , KotCzarny: do you remember me?23:43
lcuk2woodwizzle, i guess you could dive into shell and try from there23:43
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KotCzarnyzakkm: not really :)23:43
AStormzakkm: maybe23:43
zakkmnew guy to nokia 770 ? renceltly bought on ebay23:43
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zakkmroughly idk 18 hours ago?23:43
AStormso what? :>23:43
lcuk2you may get clearer or more descriptive error messages23:43
KotCzarnymy memory span is ~1h23:43
lcuk2less after beer23:43
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KotCzarnyno beers here23:44
lcuk2hence hte 1h ;)23:44
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edugofanyone knows why if i try to install exaile, i get the error: python2.5-osso, and python2.5-hildon? i don't know where find this packages!23:44
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zakkmhow do i get in service/update mode?23:44
lcuk2my network just went walkies23:44
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KotCzarnymy head just went boum-boum23:45
KotCzarnyand doesn't wanna stop23:45
lcuk2mines starting to feel better23:45
AStormmy buttons work... differently now23:45
AStormIve disabled powerlaunch23:45
lcuk2lots of greenness keeps coming out of my nose tho23:45
AStorme.g. power button23:46
zakkmswap key = power button right?23:46
AStormzakkm: no23:46
lcuk2:O winscp continued copying even when broken connection. thats clever of it23:46
AStormit works like a "back" button23:46
AStormwhile power button doesn't bring up the menu23:46
zakkmso which is swap key?23:46
zakkmon the nokia 77023:46
edugofwhere can i download the python2.5-osso and python2.5-hildon packages??23:46
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AStormthe fsck23:46
webustanyedugof: add the extras repositories23:47
AStormit doesn't want to uninstall the damned powerlaunch23:47
webustanymaemo extras23:47
zakkmoh its going23:47
webustany(I think)23:47
edugofok ty!23:47
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KotCzarnyyeah, sftp is nice enough to keep the connection up23:47
lcuk2hey!   its only going at 259KB/s now23:47
zakkmSU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- does that sound right.. for the nokia 770 ?23:47
lcuk2its halved its own speed23:47
fysayour CPU probably clocked down, lcuk223:47
zakkm3min to go frm 2006SE to 2008HE23:48
KotCzarnysay buh-bah for your 77023:48
KotCzarny(just kidding)23:48
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lcuk2fysa nahhh my cpu doesnt know how to go slow anymore23:49
lcuk2but i did just confirm that23:50
edugofi'm sorry, but i have the extras repository and i can't see that packages...23:50
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edugofi have: web->
AStormyes, finally, back to normal23:50
edugofdist-> chinook23:50
AStormno stupid powered breaking everything23:50
edugofcomp: free non-free23:50
edugofit's ok?23:50
lcuk2its not disabled is it23:50
edugofit's not disabled23:51
lcuk2just checking ;)23:51
webustanyedugof: let me check if I have those packages23:51
edugofok, ty23:51
RST38hAStorm: Have you charged the batteyr btw? =)23:51
webustanyedugof: I have it...23:51
webustanyedugof: you might have to install it using the console23:51
webustanysometimes packages are not signed23:51
webustanyso the GUI will refuse to install them23:52
edugofwith apt-get ?23:52
edugofi'll try23:52
webustanynot sure though23:52
webustanymaybe there's a simpler way23:52
zakkm2008HE WORKS :D23:52
edugofok, with console i can install it!23:53
edugofty webustany ;)23:53
AStormRST38h: yes, it's now filling up more23:54
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AStormnow at the peak charge, you know23:55
AStorma few hours to fill it up fully23:55
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fysathen VNC to X running on sb23:58
AStormor just install dev utils, coreutils etc.23:58
GrackleI can install debian?23:58
AStormyeah, debian in chroot would work23:58
AStormGrackle: yes23:58
RST38hAStorm: !23:58
fysasomeone wrote an article about it23:58
fysaone sec23:58
lcuk2why chroot from another system - what is technically wrong with native compilation?23:58
GrackleOh, I thought you meant debian living natively on the tablet.23:59
AStormlcuk2: it is native!23:59
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lcuk2i have it open here :
AStormI actually have that set up23:59
AStormjust need gcc 4.2.3 in23:59
fysayou can test apps without hildon i.e, VNC gives you full keyboard/input23:59
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fysasorry.  I mean.23:59
fysawithout hildonizing23:59
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Mouseyis 2008HE just another name for os2008?23:59
zakkmhow do i get rid of that meta-crawler?23:59
RST38h2008HE is OS2008 for N77023:59

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