IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-04-25

practisevoodoo_unable to install vncviewer. incompatible application package00:00
joe_mibsmackpotato: well it has like a spiral in the middle00:00
lcuk2practisevoodoo, the project page has a test version for chinook00:01
k0uakwhile i download Vmware Player00:01
k0uakkaspersky says00:01
k0uakwtf ?00:01
lcuk2where you dl from?00:02
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k0uakwtf ... :/00:03
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lcuk2well since there are only 3 references to this specific "virus" on google i would suggest its something else00:03
k0uakno bcz it says it's  the file from vmware which is downloading now00:04
lcuk2no, what i mean is: if it was the vmware file itself you would have thought LOTS of people would have seen this problem00:04
k0uakyes but i can send u a screenshoot lol00:05
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lcuk2since its just you and 2 other people around the world have seen or talked about this virus makes me think its something else00:05
lcuk2its most likely the heuristic scanning00:05
lcuk2but to be sure wear a condom00:06
lcuk2and beware of greeks bearing gifts00:06
k0uakbut it's wierd from VMware :/00:06
lcuk2yer does sound strange i am getting it myself and when its finished ill tell you if AVG thinks its dodgy00:07
k0uakok :]00:07
k0uakas you say it's maybe heuristic scanning bcz it's while downloading :/00:07
k0uakso as you say lcuk2 this magic-linux-distro will remove the code too ? ^^00:09
practisevoodoo_yay! vnc00:09
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RST38hbeware of geeks wearing condoms00:11
lcuk2remove what code?00:11
lcuk2i just heard someone wanted the maemovmware image :)00:12
lcuk2lol rst00:12
lcuk2incidentally, avg says "no threats found"00:12
k0uakok :)00:12
lcuk2but your might have been invaded00:12
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k0uakmaybe lol00:12
NullM0demtheres a maemo vmware image?00:13
lcuk2maemo development sdk/toolchain vmware image00:14
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Atariieclipse is sex00:18
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Atariiis there a maemo sdk livecd?00:19
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JaffaOld news ;-)00:20
practisevoodoo_well no-one told em00:21
* Jaffa subscribes practisevoodoo_ to an RSS->email gateway ;-)00:21
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, quick question re mediautils, does it check to see if the source is below the set quality level?00:22
k0uakdownloading the 2-gig vmware image x)00:22
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: yes, tablet-encode does that and does -ovc copy and -oac copy if the streams are compatible with the device. Alternatively, if the streams are the right format but the wrong bitrate/res, it'll try to work out an equivalence so it doesn't encode artifacts.00:23
k0uakWill I be able to install os2007 with the : Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance, 0.500:23
GeneralAntillesExcellent, thanks.00:23
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NullM0dem2gig vmware image ???00:25
k0uakthree parts00:25
k0uak2 of 1 go each00:25
k0uakand one of 138 megs00:26
NullM0demis that just a vm for development?00:26
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k0uakit's for flash00:26
k0uakbecause the tool00:26
k0uakcan remove the code00:26
k0uakbcz i forgot it00:26
k0uakwindows tool don't do it00:26
JaffaHmm, Ubuntu 8.04's going to have finished downloading the packages to upgrade in a couple of hours. I'll be asleep, I think00:26
elbk0uak: one sentence per line, remember00:27
k0uakyes sorry00:27
NullM0demthats IM habits :)00:27
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k0uakor someone else has the magic solution to remove the code ^^00:27
k0uaki don't use Instant messenger :) just because i must wrote like that at work :)00:28
elbif IM is short for "annoying", we totally agree00:28
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Mikhoah, a new version of ubuntu00:39
Mikhoanyone tried it?00:39
practisevoodoo_its downloading atm00:39
Mikholast time I upgraded to feisty it broke the whole installation in two different computers00:39
k0uak'night all00:39
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joe_mibIt's actually the first ubuntu version that made things work worse over the previous veriion here...00:41
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lcuk2joe_mib, firefox 3 beta causing problems?00:42
lcuk2or other things00:42
chrisakis ubuntu the dist. of choice nowadays?00:44
practisevoodoo_fedora or suse for raid00:44
lcuk2its got the popular momentum00:44
lcuk2its like the britney spears of linuces00:44
JaffaMikho: downloading atm00:44
joe_mibfirefox 3 sucks, pulse audio doesn't work, mac keyboard is not supported correctly (was in gutsy), crashes (i never had anything crash with gutsy, now i have a few applications crashing per day)00:45
Jaffajoe_mib: damn, mac keyboard'll be annoying since I've got a USB aluminium one atm00:45
chrisakfedora is what i  was using; really enjoyed it.  miss having a computer to tool arouund with00:46
practisevoodoo_im going to try this in windows instal function on my laptop00:46
joe_mibJaffa: that's the one i have - really annoying right now (i read it's a kernel bug that will evantually be fixed...)00:47
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Jaffajoe_mib: a kernel bug? yowser.00:49
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AtariiStatus: Repository is online, but empty!00:56
Atariiwhat happened to the repo?00:56
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Atariihas anyone here had host mode working with the 770 and a powered hub?01:02
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* GeneralAntilles clears lcuk2 for landing.02:17
lcuk2at Berlin airport?02:17
lcuk2:D i can make proper arrangements now for Linuxtag, Quim has contacted us and given an outline of how we get there..02:18
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flo_lapthat's a good topic...02:20
lcuk2if only i wasnt dying right now i would be jumping around02:20
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lcuk2check your mail then, by how i read mine i think he sent it to everyone02:20
GeneralAntillesIt's what you get for licking those nasty bathroom door handles.02:20
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lcuk2nahhh, the door handles are fine, i wiped the handle with some toiletroll i found on the floor (it was a bit wet)02:22
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flo_laplcuk2: I told him that i'll be there anyway02:23
flo_lapmaybe that was a bad idea ;)02:23
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lcuk2how long are you staying for02:23
flo_lapI guess for the whole event and one or two days more. We have a date for the OE e.V. in Berlin at this time and I have a brother living there.02:24
lcuk2best way really :)02:25
lcuk2i just noticed you are doing other things there anyway02:25
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jotthm as the maemo event is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening -
jotts/maemo event/maemo track/02:55
infobotjott meant: hm as the maemo track is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening -
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lcuk2jott, post that idea up on linuxdevelopers and we can discuss properly03:12
lcuk2sounds like a plan though03:12
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KotCzarnyargh.. my head03:19
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WormFoodI just started playing with that NumptyPhysics game last night....and it seems pretty fuckin' cool!06:31
NaviSure is06:32
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tsukasa_altsld vls, kjd nd;k rpaid ks nft a l800 gl naluvsv{07:04
tsukasa_goddamn dvorak switching07:04
shapraoeu htns?07:04
GeneralAntillesHaha, tsukasa_.07:05
GeneralAntillesI switched a few years ago.07:05
tsukasa_anyone know of a place to get a n800 in bangkok?07:05
tsukasa_im in the process of learning it07:05
GeneralAntillesNokia doesn't really sell to asia07:06
GeneralAntillesIt's gonna be a pain to find.07:06
tsukasa_how about shipped to asia07:06
tsukasa_surely some online store does intl shipping07:07
GeneralAntillesNot anything I know of off-hand07:07
GeneralAntillesI can't say I've investigated, though.07:07
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WormFoodtsukasa_, I'm in China...I'd be willing to sell you my N800 for the right price (it has a 4 gig sd card with it too)07:22
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WormFoodI don't have the box or the docs with it, but I do have the spare stylus and charger with it...I bought it in late January07:23
tsukasa_WormFood, not for me my friend, how much?07:23
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WormFoodI'd take 1800 RMB for it07:24
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WormFoodI got the memory card in usa too (sandisk), so it isn't counterfeit07:25
WormFoodthe memory card is useless to me without the of course comes with the original SD card too, but it is only 128 meg07:25
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smackpotatoi just bought a counterfit blue dongle07:25
tank-mandongle for what07:26
smackpotatoits adress was
smackpotatoits ok solong as noone near has the szme fake one07:28
smackpotatoa spirl?07:29
WormFoodI can get all kinds of counterfeit stuff here ;)07:29
WormFoodI think everything here is counterfeit07:29
smackpotatowhere are you07:30
WormFoodbut I did buy some verbatim DVDs I think are real....and my friend bought some chinese branded DVDs, and every one of those pieces of shit are bvd07:30
WormFoodI'm in Shenzhen07:30
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WormFoodor should I say...I'm in 深圳, 中国07:30
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smackpotatoi heard in shanghi they counterfit everything but your grandmother07:31
WormFoodRemember the dangerous toys? They are made where I live :D07:31
smackpotatoi was in shenzen 20 years ago07:32
WormFoodwhen it was a fishing village?07:33
WormFoodyou wouldn't recognize the city now ;)07:33
smackpotatono there was some development. i didnt notic much i just caught the train07:33
smackpotatoso whats the hot counterfit item to have07:35
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WormFoodI don't know07:37
WormFoodsince almost everything here is counterfeit07:38
WormFoodI even visited a card factory, they make PVC (plastic) cards, like credit cards....and in their samples were counterfeit tags for gucci and omega watches07:38
WormFoodother counterfeit tags, but I can't remember their names now07:39
WormFoodI have some as samples :D07:39
WormFoodit was pretty cool....they even make smart cards there07:39
WormFoodI saw the milling machines drilling out the cavities for the smart cards, and the machine installing the smart card chips07:39
WormFoodthey wouldn't let me take any pictures, but I wanted to07:40
WormFoodso if any of you guys want to get business cards made, I can do some pretty cool stuff at a very reasonable price07:40
WormFoodthey can even make transparent and silver reflective decorations....anything you've seen before, they can make07:41
WormFoodraised lettering, like on credit cards, pictures.....every type of card I've ever seen, they can make....magnetic stripes...freaking amazing07:41
smackpotatoim the only guy in northamerica who doesntt have a platnem card07:42
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WormFoodI guess so07:43
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WormFoodI don't even own a credit card, but I have 2 with my name on them07:43
smackpotatoare there fake nokias07:44
WormFoodmy mom added me to her credit card accounts, and I now have 2 credit cards in my name, but not my account07:44
WormFoodI don't know07:44
WormFoodI saw a nokia factory here07:44
WormFoodI think the nokia factory was in dongguan07:44
WormFoodI know there are counterfeit batteries all over the place07:48
smackpotatosome of them work ok07:48
WormFoodI bought a "new" battery for my laptop for under $3007:48
smackpotatoany chep small laptops07:51
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WormFoodI can get used IBM thinkpads here all day long07:51
WormFoodthe electronics and computer flea markets here are incredible07:52
WormFoodfunny thing is, new laptops here cost just as much as in usa....and the make the fuckers here!07:52
alphey, any idea how to install existing debs with sb2?07:52
alpsb2 dpkg -i libicu36_3.6-2_armel.deb: dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege07:52
czralp, prepend with 'fakeroot'07:53
WormFoodmake yourself root07:53
WormFoodI like the "root" package best, because you just type "root" and you become root07:53
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alpczr: now complains that package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386), even though chinook40_armel is selected with sb2-config07:55
czrwhat about sb2 fakeroot dpkg ...07:56
alpneither way round does it.07:57
alpsame dpkg error07:57
* czr shrugs then07:57
czrhaven't used sb207:57
alpthanks, got me a bit further at least07:59
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doc|homecan someone do me a favour and bookmark (without visiting the site) then visit the site and tell me what the icon looks like in the bookmarks?08:01
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n800npersonal menu = safe?08:15
n800ni haven't backed up yet the tablet and it's in a pretty nice spot08:15
n800njust wondering.08:16
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GeneralAntillesPerfectly, n800n.08:23
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n800nhm what would be the reason for app dld/installing to hang?08:31
GeneralAntillesWhat are you installing?08:34
n800np menu off the maemo site08:35
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keesjn800 usualy requiring user intervention08:43
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n800nthe instal instructions bad i think, it worked thru app manager08:52
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tsukasa_does firefox plugins work for the n800?09:18
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_polto_I think some people here would be happy to see this:  &
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bigupHello :)10:58
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p|V2-Day oggi ,andate a votare i 3 referendum mi raccomando !11:02
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Tama^2p|: wtf? :)11:06
Tama^2which referendum?11:06
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hendrywhat is a type `sb2 debuild args` for cross compiling with maemo chinook ?11:10
Jaffahendry: `sb2' is Scratchbox 2 - a newer build system for developing maemo. `debuild' is a Debian command for building .deb files for a source tree. `args' correspon... ah11:14
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hendrymy debuild seems to still think it's in a 486 environ11:16
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hendryinstead of the arm11:16
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hendryi am guess i need to pass an architecture argument11:17
RST38hwhat bootstrap are you using for sb2?11:17
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RST38harmel or x86?11:18
RST38hthere are two, I think11:19
hendryi am a little confused here11:19
hendrywhy there is a x86 bootstrap there11:19
RST38hFor debugging11:19
hendrybecause don't I obviously want to build for arm11:19
RST38hYou debug on PC using x86 boostrap11:19
hendrywell i want to build for arm11:19
RST38hThen use armel boostrap for release11:19
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hendryok, well, I just want to compile this arm11:20
hendryRST38h: how do i select that please?11:20
RST38h(In fact, I never build with x86 bootstrap - it is pretty useless because it behaves differently from the armel]11:20
hendryRST38h: word11:20
RST38hhendry: I do not remember - refer to sb2 manual11:20
* RST38h has done it once and forgot11:20
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* Jaffa hasn't used sb2 much yet11:22
RST38hJaffa: you should, it is such a relief...11:22
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RST38hI am basically building from the same source base as Unix/Windows/MSDOS/etc and even the Makefile is pretty much the same as the Unix one11:23
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KhertanHi !11:34
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CVirusAre there SIP and IAX clients for mameo ?11:55
aquatixgizmo talks sip11:57
JaffaSIP: Gizmo & rtcomm-beta. Dunno about IAX11:57
aquatixand rtcomm-beta too indeed11:57
* Jaffa should get around to trying that, but I'm too busy reformatting my internal SD card which has finally been bitten by the corruption bug.11:58
JaffaColour me unimpressed.11:58
KotCzarnyjaffa, n810 ?11:58
KotCzarnyit should be written with big letters on maemo.org11:58
KotCzarnythat factory default is a time bomb11:59
JaffaIt's really nasty11:59
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KotCzarnyit's just a wrong size11:59
KotCzarnybigger than physical geometry11:59
KotCzarnyfew kb more, but enough to corrupt sooner or later12:00
RST38hI wonder whether the next firmware update will come with the same problem...12:00
KotCzarnyand i have observed that on original n-gage it also creates wrong partition size12:00
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KotCzarnyrst: firmware update would have to repartition sd on n81012:01
KotCzarnyand i doubt they will risk overwriting user's data12:01
Khertan<KotCzarny> that factory default is a time bomb ??12:01
RST38hDoesn;t it wipe mmc2 when installing?12:01
KotCzarnykhertan: yes12:01
KotCzarnydo sfdisk -l12:01
KotCzarnyand see for yourself12:01
KotCzarnypartition size blocks is bigger than physical gemetry12:02
KotCzarnyrst: i don't know, i have n80012:02
Khertansfdisk ?12:02
KotCzarnykhertan: yes12:02
KotCzarnyit will list your partitions12:02
Khertanah hum ... sorry path is incorrect for user12:03
KotCzarnyyou have to be root12:03
KotCzarnyyou can try /sbin/sfdisk -l12:03
Khertanwhat i ve done12:03
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JaffaRST38h: reflashing doesn't touch either internal or external SD cards12:04
Khertanmmcb1k1p1 start expected (3,29,9) found (0,130,3)12:04
Khertanhopefully it only store swap ... :)12:05
Khertanand temporary video12:05
Jaffaand part of the built-in map install12:05
KotCzarnyi assume they do some tricks with geometry to hide some lock data12:05
RST38hJaffa: Good to know (I have got stuff on mmc2)12:05
KotCzarnyat least that was the case on n-gage12:06
KotCzarnyand i think once disk gets full it hits physical gemetry boundary and writes on the beginning of the card12:08
JaffaExactly. I filled mine up with music thinking I'd corrected the partition size mismatch, but hadn't.12:08
KotCzarnyi wonder if there is a bug filled for that12:09
JaffaFor the size mismatch or the fact the kernel could handle it as a bugfix?12:09
KotCzarnyfor the wrong partition size12:10
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Khertanso a simple format from file manager correct it ?12:12
KotCzarnyno resolution12:12
KotCzarnyyou have to repartition it12:12
KotCzarnyformat doesn't touch partition table12:12
Khertanhum ... yes12:12
Khertani m stupid12:12
JaffaDidn't someone say a format in Windows would do it?12:13
KotCzarnyresolution is a simple one liner12:13
derfAre you really going to take advice from someone who uses Windows?12:13
KotCzarnysfdisk && mkdosfs12:13
Jaffaderf: do I trust anything running on the device itself when it comes to partitioning these days?12:14
KotCzarnyi don't have access to n810 do i can't provide numbers12:14
derfOh, I repartitioned over USB, sure.12:14
CVirusCan the N810 get an internet connection via USB ?12:14
derfAnd blew away the steaming pile of crap that is FAT to replace it with ext3, while I was at it.12:14
Khertanhum how do u do a & on the n810 keyboard ?12:14
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KotCzarnyshift 7 ?12:14
Khertan(i ve this stupid keyboard ... nammed azerty)12:15
derfAstoundingly, all of the SD-card related instabilities I'd been experiencing vanished when I dropped FAT.12:15
KotCzarnyderf: i have left vfat, some packages rely on /media/mmc212:15
derfIt's still mounted at /media/mmc212:16
derfIt's just using a real filesystem now.12:16
KotCzarnyi boot from it12:16
derfWell, no one says you can't have _two_ partitions that both use a real filesystem.12:17
KotCzarnyok ok :)12:17
KotCzarnyBug 2802 appears to be a duplicate; although I might have accidentally hijacked12:17
KotCzarnyit for a different bug (filesystem corruption even when the partition is12:17
KotCzarnysmaller than the device size).12:17
KotCzarnyheh, vfat fun?12:17
Khertanvfat isn't a filesystem ... it s well know12:18
KotCzarnymy guess nokia plays some tricks with it12:18
derfIt's not even just the filesystem... the kernel's implementation seems to interact very badly with the mmc driver.12:19
derfWhile ext3 does not... presumably because whoever wrote the ext3 filesystem for the kernel actually knew what they were doing.12:19
derfBut with FAT I would get constant failures to read the card, even claiming the entire thing was corrupt, and I'd power-cycle the thing and everything would look fine (for 30 minutes or so, anyway).12:20
woodwizzlehas anyone seen the 32gb SDHC chips for sale anywhere?12:21
woodwizzleI've only found one on google shopping for over $400. kinda ridiculous12:22
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KotCzarny..on a preorder? ;)12:23
woodwizzleI'm not sure. I didn't even click that far to find out when I saw the pricetag12:25
woodwizzleand yeah, it is a preorder =)12:25
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woodwizzleThat would make a 64gb n800 cost a grand12:27
KotCzarnyimagine corrupting 32gb12:27
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derfYeah, and at that point it would have more storage than a lot of sub-$1000 laptops.12:28
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KotCzarny2x cf -- ide adapter is ~30$12:29
KotCzarnyand high capacity cf cards are cheaper12:29
woodwizzleYeah but it wouldn't be in the sub $1000 catagory itself12:29
KotCzarny120$ for 32gb cf12:29
RST38hjust plug in a real harddrive into your N800 =)12:30
KotCzarnyi hate spinning drives12:30
woodwizzleyeah SSD is the way to go =)12:30
woodwizzleif i had that kinda money though I'd just pay some folks to engineer me a n100012:31
KotCzarnynope, you will e on hawaii12:31
woodwizzleno I'd much prefer an n100012:32
woodwizzlewith its terrabyte of storage, integrated mobile nvidia 8800, and built in expresso maker12:32
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RST38hhow about a custo mfitted brain plug?12:34
RST38hfor watching those movies, you know12:35
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woodwizzleRST38h: a brain plug??? why on earth would I do that12:37
woodwizzlewhen I could just get a bluetooth brain12:37
CVirusDoes maemo have a terminal application ?12:38
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RST38hwoodwizzle: does it mean that your eyes will blink blue when activ3e?12:44
woodwizzleno because I need to know when I'm active, not people looking at me.12:46
woodwizzlebut pairing is difficult task.12:46
CVirusDoes the N810 have a GPS chipset /12:48
CVirusI mean can it do GPS alone without the need of any other devices ?12:50
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woodwizzleCVirus: yup12:51
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woodwizzleThough from my understanding its kinda 2nd rate GPS12:51
woodwizzlean external device will increase the accuracy of it12:52
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CVirusI see12:52
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woodwizzleThat said, know I don't own an n810 so this is just hearsay =)12:53
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VeggenI haven't really done any accuracy comparitions, but I think the problem is more that it takes time to get a fix than that it's less accurate once it has gotten the fix.12:58
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CVirusHow many minutes /13:01
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CViruscool .. pimlico works on the maemo13:07
* CVirus is considering an N81013:08
VeggenCVirus: several. haven't timed it, but for me it's long ;)13:08
CVirusI've been waiting for over a year now for OM13:09
florian good morning13:09
CVirusbut that last video issue made me re-consider it13:09
CVirusi'll buy an N810 and wait for GTA0313:10
trickieCVirus: whats the video issue exactly?13:15
Jaffalo florian13:15
CVirustrickie: the FreeRunner won't be able to play videos ... check the mailing list for more accurate info13:16
trickieCVirus: ah damn, ok will do13:16
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KhertanCVirus > yes pimlico works ... but it s a bit small to be usefull (for me)13:33
Khertan(gpe too :) )13:33
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CVirusKhertan: what do you use then ?13:36
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woodwizzleKhertan: what do you mean?13:36
KhertanmCalendar ... :) but a it s unfinished ... and far to be perfect too13:36
Khertanwoodwizzle> i mean, i always need to sort out the stylus, then use a bit the keyboard, click, click, click again with the stylus13:37
Khertani don't found the gui very well thinked for a device like the n81013:37
Khertanshould be normal as it s a port13:37
CVirusKhertan: what do you use ?13:37
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Khertani use mCalendar13:37
woodwizzlecan you sync mCalendar with evolution?13:38
Khertanas the binding for python isn't ready13:39
Khertanbut i m studying sincing with google calendar13:39
Khertanas evolution can be sync with google calendar ... it should not be a prob13:39
lardmanDoes anyone know the format of the Maemo LinuxTag presentations/talks?13:47
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lardmanhi hrw13:50
nomisfwiw: Statusbarclock updated for Chinook:
X-Fadenomis: Would you like to add your packages to maemo extas?13:55
hrwnomis: where I can see screenshot of it?13:56
nomishrw: it still looks basically the same as here:
nomisX-Fade: how complicated is that?13:57
X-Fadenomis: Upload with dput? :)13:57
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hrwnomis: ah. that one13:58
hrwnomis: still cannot be switched digital/analog without switching maemo clock?13:58
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nomishrw: I already have some prototypeish code that matches the new design and uses cairo for drawing.13:58
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nomishrw: no. I am hesitant to add configuration dialog and lots of bloat for that trivial piece of software.13:59
nomisX-Fade: how is the authentication handled?13:59
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X-Fadenomis: You will get an ivitation from garage with explanation. You need to upload your ssh pubkey for upload and pgp key for package signing.14:01
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nomisX-Fade: it probably helps that statusbarclock already lives at garage?14:01
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X-Fadenomis: Sure. You should receive an invitation in your mail shortly.14:03
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* nomis feels stupid.14:15
nomishow do I get an ascii armored version of my public pgp key?14:16
nomisgpg even.14:16
aquatixman gpg?14:16
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nomisaquatix: this leads me to "gpg -a --export <keyid>" which garage refuses to accept.14:21
nomis(and is a huge blob btw. It might include all the signatures)14:22
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nomismhm, now it worked. I must have mis-pasted.14:27
aquatixah :)14:28
aquatixmaybe a stray space somewhere or something14:29
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nomisupload done.14:38
aquatixnomis: ooh, analog clock?14:39
aquatixin status bar, nice14:39
* aquatix wants14:39
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aquatix ?14:40
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nomisaquatix: yep.14:45
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nomisaquatix: it needs slight adjustments to the design for chinook which I have not yet completed (#ifdeffed out in the source).14:45
nomis(off for some food)14:46
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AStormok, I'm lazy...15:00
RST38ht everybody?15:01
AStormcould someone build me a btrfs-unstable kernel module for maemo15:01
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AStormfor that 2.6.21-osso1?15:01
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AStormit's currently the best FS for flash15:03
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RST38hunstable though15:04
AStormmore like unfinished15:04
AStormit doesn't break randomly like Reiser415:05
RST38hespecially good in conjunction with "breaks randomly"15:05
pupnik_RST38h: i still haven't gotten 60fps real display on the NES emu :(15:06
AStormRST38h: only v415:06
AStormv3 is stable15:06
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AStormv4 adds slow moments, like, hangs15:06
AStormnow, after v. long time, it doesn't self-destruct15:07
RST38hAStorm: No, I mean this:
AStormah, that15:07
RST38hpupnik: Why do you need 60fps?15:07
AStorminz: current unstable?15:07
pupnik_i don't like the tearing, and some games flash sprites every other frame15:08
pupnik_so when you get hit15:08
AStorminz: 4oh415:08
inzAStorm, 0.1315:08
pupnik_if you have frameskip 1, your character disappears15:08
AStorminz: nah, gimme unstable :)15:08
AStorm"stable" is crashy :)15:08
RST38hpupnik: Will non-integer frameskip help the problem?15:08
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RST38hpupnik: as in "draw 60% of frames"?15:09
pupnik_yeah when i disable frameskip the flashing is ok... it flashes enough15:09
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pupnik_but it's just depressing to not have 60fps in perfect sync15:09
RST38hpupnik: it is nothing unusual15:09
RST38hthe device has to do a lot of work15:09
AStormpupnik_: perfect? is *anything* perfect?15:10
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inzAStorm, meh, you're quite demanding15:10
RST38hand it is not exactly a speed demon15:10
AStormyou'd have to get like, asm-perfect representation15:10
inzAStorm, you should say such request _in advance_15:10
pupnik_it can be perfect i think.  i just need to work on it15:10
AStorminz: just the module and maybe tools too15:10
* RST38h has 6502 emulation in assembler15:10
RST38hDon't think it is a silver bullet though15:10
AStormRST38h: whee, C64!15:11
inzAStorm, same url, new version15:11
pupnik_oh speed is ok. i get 60fps on 77015:11
AStorminz, great, but  it was 4oh4 last time15:11
AStorminz: still...15:11
RST38hso it is only the N800/810 video hardware that causes problems?15:11
AStormfix that 40415:11
* pupnik_ will try to get work done over the weekend15:12
AStorminz: so?15:13
aquatixnomis: hm, do you have a download link? the applet isn't in the download section yet15:13
AStorminz: you got my hopes up, damn you ;)15:15
inzAStorm, oh, fix the typo in the url15:15
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AStormlol, indeed15:15
inzMeh, need to build e2fsprogs too...15:18
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JaffaAStorm/RST38h: Feh, forget C64 - BBC Micro much more fuuuuuuuun :-)15:21
AStormnever seeen it15:22
AStormI need non-broken module-init-tools15:23
inzuse insmod?15:24
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fysanice podcast.15:25
AStorminz: nah, I've got it now15:25
* RST38h didn't have either15:25
AStormyou didn't gie me crc module15:25
inzHmm, it should be built in the kernel, shouldn't it15:26
AStormit isn't, apparently15:26
AStorm[193178.710937] btrfs: Unknown symbol crc32c_le15:26
AStorm[193178.726562] btrfs: Unknown symbol write_cache_pages15:27
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AStormthe latter is weird :P15:27
inzIs that the one?15:28
AStormmost likely15:28
AStormstill, write_cache_pages is unknown15:29
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inzI'll try to figure out the cache pages...15:31
inzHmm, the write_cache_pages is a static funcion in btrfs15:32
inzI wonder...15:32
Khertanhuhu ... is there a way to patch hildon.TimePicker to use my own widget ?15:33
inzAStorm, try the kernel module again now15:34
inzAStorm, they have taken core from 2.6.23, but had version check < 2.6.2015:34
inzDoes the module load now?15:35
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AStorminz: is that really the unstable tree?15:36
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AStormcmason is telling me it's been fixed15:36
inzAStorm, I pulled the tip.gz from the unstable mercurial15:36
AStormhe admitted it's wrong :)15:37
AStorminz: where's the mkfs?15:37
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inzAStorm, in the .deb15:38
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inzAStorm, mkfs.btrfs15:38
AStormhmm, I hmust've missed it15:39
AStormya, silly me15:39
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AStorminz: be sure to mount it with nodatasum and ssd15:40
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AStormw/o first it'll kill the cpu15:40
AStormand second is block allocator tweak15:40
AStormI'll have to add this module to initfs :)15:41
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AStormI wonder why they had to use separate flash for initfs and not just a partition15:42
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inzAStorm, I don't have any intention to use it15:42
AStorminz: mhm15:42
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AStormI'll tell you how it flies15:43
AStormshould be the fastest on flash15:43
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AStormmaybe except jffs2 (but that's a big maybe)15:43
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AStormhmm, now I'll need that SDHC overdrive kernel ;)15:45
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AStormbut that one I'll build myself15:45
inzAren't there readily built ones?15:45
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AStormfanoush', older ones15:46
AStormbut these have no sysfs or proc switch15:46
AStormI'd need info on building a newer kernel15:47
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inzHow new do you need?15:47
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AStormI wonder... do b*e and dsme work with GPIO using standard interface?15:48
inzYou'll probably need to rebuild some other stuff too and create new initfs, if you change the kernel version15:48
AStorminz: sure esp. wifi driver15:48
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AStormbt is standard I recon?15:48
inzI guess so15:48
AStormI also dunno if gps needs some module15:49
AStorminz: the idea is to get CFS (new cpu sched)15:50
aquatixit might be a `serial' device, only needing the daemon15:50
AStormif you could manage to backport it, it'd be a win15:50
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AStormthere were some old versions for 2.6.21 too15:50
AStormI'll try a backport myself15:51
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AStormsome git cherry picking15:51
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AStorminz: I need -omap sources probably15:56
AStormunless the wifi works with 2.6.23 or newer15:56
AStorm(ofc. linux-omap branch)15:56
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inzAStorm, yes, linux-omap is a wise choice ;)16:00
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AStorminz: mhm, let's see how well will the cross 4.2.3 work16:01
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AStormneed gcc 4.2.3 on the tablet too16:03
AStormofc. with libstdc++-v316:03
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KhaledHosnyhi every one16:11
KhaledHosnyI just got my n810 tablet, but I'm facing some problems16:12
nomisyay for problems!16:12
KhaledHosnybasically, the device doesn't start the interface, it just loads then stops16:12
nomisKhaledHosny: did you install external software?16:13
Cptnodegardi designed a new windows specific keyboard:
KhaledHosnynomis: nope, it just worked for less than a minute, then rebooted itself and entered a loop of rebooting16:14
NaviCptnodegard, funny16:14
NaviKhaledHosny, flash your N810 with the latest image16:14
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KhaledHosnynomis: I reflaseh it with the latest os, but it get worse, it doesn't even reach the "connecting people" screen wany more16:15
aquatixCptnodegard: :)16:15
Cptnodegardcomputer crashed again... so i was inspired to make a dedicated keyboard16:15
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NaviI have my BSoD screensaver bound to C+A+D16:15
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KhaledHosnyNavi: I already did ^^^16:16
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NaviSo whenever a friend manages to freeze something, he/she hits ctrl+alt+del and it BSoDs16:16
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NaviThey still haven't figured it out ^^16:17
Cptnodegardlol thats brilliantly evil :D16:17
Cptnodegardmy friends are easier to fool... at school with their lappys, when they run out i just prntscrn, put it in paint, flips 180 degrees, view fulslcreen and pull out the usb mouse16:18
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NaviIt's an internal joke I like to keep16:19
Navi"I thought you said that Linux doesn't get BSoDs :("16:19
Cptnodegardmake it purple next time and tell them "i told you, no blue screen of death"16:20
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nomisKhaledHosny: that doesn't sound good.16:20
maemoooops sorry, wrong room16:20
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Cptnodegardstll the wrong room16:21
maemook, i did that to see - i really thought someone would have registered maemo16:21
Cptnodegardnah most people in here have better imagination than that16:22
maemobut if i leave the room, does that mean you lot are left in # channel16:22
Cptnodegardyes, if you leave we all just diappear16:23
maemothats much better than flipping mouse buttons and stuff ;)16:23
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KhaledHosnynomis: I'm not sure what I should do now, is there a way I can debug this?16:24
maemoKhaledHosny: did you buy your device from new?16:24
nomisKhaledHosny: I have no idea. If reflashing the device does not help I am out of ideas.16:24
AStormhey, is it possible to have multiple initfses on N?16:25
johnxif reflashing does not work it points heavily towards some type of hardware problem16:25
KhaledHosnymaemo: yup, through the developer program16:25
johnxhave you charged the battery all the way?16:25
KhaledHosnynomis: thanks anyway16:25
maemoKhaledHosny: did it work correctly until very recently?16:26
KhaledHosnymaemo: I just got it, it worked for only less than a minute16:26
maemotake the battery out for a while.  put it back in, leave it off but charging up for a few hours16:27
maemodont try flashing until after the battery is fully charged16:27
KhaledHosnybefore reflashing, I was able to boot it few times, but it reboots quickely16:27
maemotbh it sounds like a flat battery16:28
KhaledHosnyI'll try this16:28
maemoif you still cannot do anything with it after a proper charge16:28
maemothen start to look again and maybe consider getting an RMA16:29
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RST38hAnybody remembers a command line utility name to deal with shm blocks?16:30
RST38hListing, deleting, etc,16:30
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KhaledHosnylets hope this will solve it, as returning it will be a big problem16:31
AStorminz: could you post the .config somewhere?16:32
maemoKhaledHosny: with any new device its wise to fully charge the battery before hand and read the getting started whilst doing it :)  i hope it solves your problem16:33
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KhaledHosnymaemo: I thought I fully charged it, but since I can't read the "getting started" manual (there wasn't an english one, why I ordered it in finland!) I feel lost16:36
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* maemo ordered himself direct from nokia in the uk16:37
maemowhen you were charging it, did it display on the screen that it was charging?   or did it just stay blank and off?16:38
Jaffa'maemo' is an awfully confusing nick16:38
AStormhmm, is the wifi in N8x0 a Prism54?16:39
KhaledHosnyI see the charging indicator on the screen16:39
johnxit's a cx3110x IIRC16:39
X-FadeKhaledHosny: Did you flash your device with the latest firmware yet?16:39
AStormjohnx: that's a wrapper16:39
AStormthe trick is that it loads Prism54 firmware according to the log16:40
KhaledHosnyX-Fade: I did16:40
AStormsome weird scheme16:40
johnxwell that's interesting O_o16:40
X-FadeKhaledHosny: Nobody with a similar battery near you? So you can test?16:40
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hildon_desktopany better?16:41
AStormwhy not just jaffas?16:41
hildon_desktopcos the nick was clipped16:41
hildon_desktopotherwise i would have rotated him 180degress16:42
KhaledHosnyX-Fade: I don't think so, but I'll look16:42
AStormwhat's the touchscreen used by N$16:42
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AStormand which Taos sensor is in N810?16:46
inzAStorm, erm, I used make nokia_2420_defconfig16:47
AStorm2550 or 256316:47
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AStorminz: gimme16:47
johnxit comes with the nokia kernel source, IIRC16:47
johnxdoesn't it?16:48
inzjohnx, yes it does16:48
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n008does anyone know if the sdict wikipedia is mirorred anywhere other than the sdviewer site?16:56
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RST38hIt's ipcs!17:04
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hendryif i can't see my package via the Application Manager... can I assume it's because it isn't signed?17:11
johnxunsigned packages show up17:11
aquatixhendry: i guess you updated the list?17:12
johnxonly packages with "Section: user/*" show up in app manager17:12
hendryjohnx: ah the section17:12
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johnx* being any arbitrary string17:12
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* hendry wonders if a Debian package have more than one section17:13
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hendryI get a "software contains updates from a different source" error message trying to update my package17:21
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RST38hremove it completely and reinstall17:21
RST38hyou probably installed some of its parts from a different repository a while ago17:21
johnxit happens if you installed package "foo" from repo "a" and an update is available from repo "b"17:21
n008what is RMA?17:22
hendryRST38h: you're right :)17:22
lardmanhendry: I've been getting that too17:22
RST38hRMA - process of returning a defective item back to the manufacturer17:22
n008ah thanks17:23
hendrylardman: removed my previous package17:23
lardmanFor me it appears with the map application17:23
lardmanI can't really see why it would happen17:23
aquatixlardman: remove the map app and reinstall17:23
aquatixknown issue17:23
aquatixthe repository changed i think17:23
lardmanah, I see17:24
aquatixworks fine now here :)17:24
hendryanyone know about "rep2"?
Khertanrah ::!!!!! IDLE on windows is a calamity17:26
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lardmanThe other thing that appears to have happened is that lots of packages are now dependencies of Octave and Gnuplot. I'm not quite sure what I did to screw their control files up to make that happen17:30
kulveetrunko: ping?17:30
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RST38hIs there a port of Octave for ITT?17:32
lardmanof course17:33
lardmanit's just a recompile17:33
lardmannot much porting needed really :)17:34
wom-a bit off the topic but: any idea why i lost hdb, hdc and hdd when I upgraded to ubuntu. Bios sees disks but ubuntu says they dont exist. fdisk -l doesnt list them17:34
wom-everything worked just fine before upgrade :)17:35
johnxare they now treated as sda(a-d) ?17:35
wom-well i have mixture of ide and sda disks17:35
wom-ide disks are missing17:35
wom-sda works fine17:36
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wom-you are actuallu right17:36
wom-if i now look very very carefully, I see sdc :D17:36
wom-thanks mate :)17:36
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lardmanRST38h: not a proper feed though I'm afraid as there's no Packages file17:38
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lardmanssvb: how's your workload atm?17:39
Atariihave the forums gone down?17:41
qwerty12Atarii, looks like it for me17:41
qwerty12Very slow.17:41
Atariihow do i add custom places to the filemanager? For example, i want to add /17:42
Atariii did it a while back but cant remember how17:42
Navisymlink it for total hax17:42
lardmanAtarii: but be careful of the crawler getting itself stuck17:43
ssvblardman: it's more or less fine now17:43
Atariiah yes, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs17:44
Atariiis that correct, or the wrong filemanager location?17:44
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Atariiwoot, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/root :D17:46
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lardmanssvb: great; sorry I didn't send you my part done colourspace/scaling code, I had food poisoning just before I left for my hols and wasn't really to fussed to do anything17:50
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aquatixAtarii: i think there might be a file describing the `places' it should show too17:51
lardmanssvb: I was just going to ask whether you can think of any reasonably simple test harness code I can use to check that the DSP code is working, before plumbing it into mplayer?17:51
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lardmanssvb: perhaps a better question is how can I easily generate a variety of different pixel format images to send to it to see if it works?17:53
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AStormit seems Tahvo has an USB transceiver17:54
AStormisn't used by Nokia though17:54
lardmanAStorm: where's that info from?17:55
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ssvblardman: I think mplayer should have an option to produce raw YUV images as output17:55
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lardmanto file you mean? So then I can just send them over17:55
AStormlardman: the linux-omap kernel17:57
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ssvblardman: yes, but you can also try rgb images first17:57
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lardmanssvb: I know rgb works, well single colour ones anyway, but I'll have to check the position and scaling as that's not tested yet17:59
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lardmanssvb: I'll have a play around with that then over the weekend and let you know how i get on18:00
ssvblardman: ok18:01
lardmanmy scaling code will be rubbish, if I even bother in the first instance. derf - problem with using MATLAB to do it for you ;)18:02
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AStormok, I'll need gcc-4 on the tablet :P18:08
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keesjAStorm: install mamona :p18:10
AStormkeesj: yeah sure18:10
derflardman: :)18:11
AStormbt isn't buildign in latestg linux-omap :P18:11
AStormsome missing or renamed constant18:12
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AStormok, I know now :P18:18
AStorman API change no one bothered to fix :P18:18
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Khertan_on_n810Hi again18:29
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Khertan_on_n810I m tired of design nice gui under glade and see it transform by this stupid hildon theme18:30
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Khertan_on_n810how can i make a gtktreeview with different color on line18:31
Khertan_on_n810one bluelight, one blank, then18:31
Khertan_on_n810one bluelight, one blank, then18:31
Khertan_on_n810and ...18:31
Khertan_on_n810in french it s 'pyjama list'18:32
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AStormKhertan_on_n810: you don't18:37
AStormthis should be governed by theme18:37
Khertan_on_n810it s stupid18:37
AStormyou can hack it, but please don't18:37
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Atariiis there a way to get rid of that stupid notice which says "this software is not by Nokia, are you sure you want to install it"?18:38
Khertan_on_n810if i place a separator for example there is a reason18:38
JaffaAtarii: someone rebuilt Application Manager without it18:38
Khertan_on_n810but it s not displayed ...18:38
Khertan_on_n810it s like the margin in an hildon windows18:38
Khertan_on_n810it s a so large screen that we can waste space !18:39
Atariileetmode thanks Jaffa18:39
AStormok, the kernel is built :)18:44
AStormnow, need btrfs and wifi :)18:44
Khertan_on_n810AStorm > do u now where i can find information about hack this theme prefs18:44
Khertan_on_n810i ve already found for image in stovk-button18:44
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lardman3 cheers for X-Fade and the autobuilder18:45
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AStormwith FBCON enabled, I should be able to see messages :)18:49
qwerty12AStorm, I had FBCON enabled and I would get black screen and then reverted back to nokia logo.18:50
qwerty12You need fanoush's tools.18:50
qwerty12Those work, I now get FB output from my OS2008 on boot and shutdown.18:50
AStormI have these18:51
qwerty12You don't need it enabled in Kernel then :p18:51
AStormbut then, you can also disable manual update18:51
AStormof the screen18:51
AStormthen it should "just work"18:52
keesjJaffa: nice essay on maemopeople  :p18:52
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lardman~lart mplayer man page for being too long18:52
* infobot decapitates mplayer man page conan the destroyer style for being too long18:52
qwerty12True. I think my kernel is set to manual. Auto in kernel never worked for me so why keep it enabled. I keep kernel at auto and fanoush's fb_update_mode sets it into manual.18:52
||cwlardman: try the smb.conf man page sometime18:53
qwerty12It is long.18:53
* qwerty12 blinks.18:53
AStorm~lart closed wifi drivers18:54
* infobot --purges closed wifi drivers18:54
AStorm~lart closed wifi drivers18:54
lardmanwell too long for a Friday afternoon at least :)18:54
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AStorm~lart closed wifi drivers18:55
* infobot slaps a compatible dib on closed wifi drivers's head18:55
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AStorminfobot: you don't know plural, do ya?18:56
AStormok, how can I backup currently installed kernel?18:57
qwerty12AStorm, is it stock kernel or own custom compiled kernel already installed?18:57
AStormbut I want to know anyway18:58
AStormthe new one is 2.6.25-omap118:58
qwerty12No idea. I'd just say to extract it from nokia bin image with flasher-3.0 but you want to know anyway.18:58
qwerty12Maybe cat /dev/mtd2 to a file. I don't think it would be flashable by anything though :/18:59
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qwerty12See if you can reverse fanoush's kernel flasher script.19:00
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qwerty12Sigh, maemo application catalog seems to be down.19:01
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X-Fadeqwerty12: What's up?19:02
X-FadeIt works for me?19:02
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qwerty12X-Fade, it works now :). I had midgard error a min ago.19:02
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X-Fadeqwerty12: Hehe, I know ;) I was reloading something..19:02
qwerty12ahh :)19:03
X-FadeCan have been there for more than 20 secs ;)19:03
X-FadeAnd still you got it.19:03
qwerty12The chances of that :/19:04
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Atariiqwerty12 to install your applciation manager (without the annoying Nokia message) do i use dpkg --install ?19:05
qwerty12Atarii, that's what I did19:06
Atariik thanks19:06
Atariinow tryin it19:06
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skiburNet Neutrality at steak?19:09
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||cwah, steaks as bribes...19:10
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skiburI'm creating an Open Source Internet.  Wanna Join?19:13
skiburJust wire up your state/country and we will connect them together19:14
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||cwskibur: I have some bailing wire I can connect MO to IL with19:16
||cwthe river might be a problem though19:16
skiburI got a Linusys Router?19:16
qwerty12Yay, 930 of 1722 packages downloaded! AT 74.8 KB/S :O19:17
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Atariitime to reflash :(19:18
qwerty12Atarii, how come?19:18
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Atariia. i think i messed up trying to customise the boot images19:19
||cwno, but I got an old B access point19:19
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Atariib. the application manager installed fine but gets stuck trying to install stuff. Im guessin its not meant for 2008h19:19
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AStormis n810 SD reader high speed already?19:21
qwerty12Atarii, Hmm, have you tried clicking the link for the original app manager19:21
Atariitoo late, needed a clean flash anyways19:21
Atariiplus im used to flashing devices, i flashed my Samsung phone 6 times last night :S19:21
qwerty12Atarii, you won't believe the amount of times I've flashed my W810 :p19:22
qwerty12Battery cover is loose now19:22
AStormpoor devices19:22
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Atariilol, same here, the slider is so loose now19:23
qwerty12Hehe, I applied some dodgy patches to mine as well. Reboots from time to time lol19:23
Atariiphew panic over, thought id WSOD then19:24
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Atariiyea same, the Samsung modding scene is Russian based, so google translate is the only way i can see what the patches i apply to my phone actually do :S19:25
johnxheh...I remember flashing a region free firmware to my brand new DVD-ROM drive back in the day19:26
qwerty12Atarii, Same here :). Although the Russians take time to translate descriptions into English and if not, I have a Russian friend on MSN :p19:26
johnxit was from a Russian site, didn't even know for sure if it was for the right device O_o19:26
qwerty12johnx, I remember doing that to my drive lol19:26
qwerty12Now with my new HP, a simple tool sets it19:26
qwerty12No firmware flashing necessary.19:26
johnxnow Linux doesn't even pay attention to the region setting I think19:27
qwerty12I prefer Windows DVD players but tbh, I don't watch DVD's much. *cough cough*19:27
dnearyAnyone solved the snail's shell NP level?19:28
johnxvlc works just fine in Linux with menus and everything. but yeah, not many physical DVDs here these days...19:28
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Khertan_on_n810it s seems there is a bug in libglade ... with pack_start and pack_end19:41
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Khertan_on_n810result aren't the the as in glade19:41
Khertan_on_n810example :19:42
Khertan_on_n810button1 - button2 - button319:42
Khertan_on_n810with position 4 - 3 - 219:42
Khertan_on_n810and pack_end should be display :19:42
Khertan_on_n810button1 - button2 - button319:43
Khertan_on_n810but are displayed :19:43
Khertan_on_n810button2 - button1 - button319:43
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Khertan_on_n810and it s well displayed in glade on my nit19:43
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AStormcan't build cx3110x for 2.6.2519:47
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AStormneeds porting :P19:47
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Cptnodegardanyone have any good ebook source (non drm) except #bookz?19:48
freelikegnuproject gutenberg perhaps?19:49
freelikegnu;-)19:49 is giving away some free ebooks as a promotion19:49
Cptnodegardwithout drm, johnx?19:50
Cptnodegardmeaning it compatible19:50
johnxwithout DRM yes19:50 also has a shitton of free stuff19:50
johnxPDF, HTML and Mobi formats19:50
GeneralAntillesand their paid stuff is non-drm19:50
derfThe web is _filled_ with free e-books. Use Google.19:51
Cptnodegardim looking for a specific one :/19:52
AStormit seems that the chip is standard Prism5419:52
qwerty12Cptnodegard, ipmart-forum *cough cough*19:52
AStormaccording to the driver19:52
AStormwe just don't have the firmware, but it should be exctractable from umac.ko19:52
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AStormmaybe FreeMAC would work19:53
AStormthe wifi chip is an ARM itself19:53
freelikegnuhehe from the free Tor books offer: "*NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. Void where prohibited." Where are DRM-free book giveaways prohibited?19:53
AStormif I'm lucky, I'll be able to grab the firmware off umac.ko and just run with prism54 driver19:54
johnxsounds very cool. I'll head to bed now, but make sure you poke at me on here or itt if you make any progress (or even if you don't)19:55
johnxgood luck19:55
Navigood night, foo19:56
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AStormthere's no PCI in here, so the comm must take part over I2C19:57
AStormor some gpios19:58
AStormI wonder why the ddumb Conexant won't just open the UMAC :P19:59
AStormand provide closed firmware19:59
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freelikegnuit would allow ter'rists and rogue nations access to vital sekrit j00ky that could threatne the nations freedom loving citizens20:00
freelikegnucant have freedom without the lack of freedom20:01
AStormhehe, no20:01
AStormumac has been rev-enged since20:02
AStormboth PCI and USB part20:02
AStormhopefully I only need to extract the firmware20:02
AStormbut, IMO, this one sits on I2C bus or some GPIO20:03
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freelikegnuhmm if I boot off internal SD card, would it be bad to remove the back cover while the n800 is on?20:06
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freelikegnuor will something keep the card from getting unmounted?20:06
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MangoFusionit will always be busy20:07
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AStormfreelikegnu: you won't be able to mount it over the net afaicr20:09
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freelikegnuhmm, fuse sshfs should work, no?20:10
AStormis there some tool with which I could prod I2C bus?20:11
AStormfreelikegnu: sure, because it doesn't try to mount the actual fs20:11
AStormkulve: enumerate devices20:11
AStormand read their boilerpltes20:11
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AStormnah, I2C is too slow for full speed wifi20:14
AStormcan Nxxx do full speed wifi? 11Mbit?20:14
kulveit can do something like 700/800kt/s, so quite close to 11Mbps20:15
kulvewith scp, so I don't know if the cpu is the bottleneck then..20:15
GeneralAntillesIt's g20:15
AStormso I2C it can't be20:15
elb800kBps is much faster than 11mbps wifi can go20:16
elb100Mbps Ethernet only gets about 800kBps tcp transfers, and 11Mbps wifi is only 5.5Mbps in each direction20:17
elbso ...20:17
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elbyou're getting 802.11g speeds there :-)20:17
AStormand the wifi isn't connected to usb either20:17
kulveelb: 100M network can transfer >10000 kilobytes/s20:18
||cwelb: uh, 100Mbps can easily get 9MB/s20:18
elboops, I typo'd20:19
elbI meant 10Mbps Ethernet20:19
elb(which is a much more appropriate comparison to 11Mbps wifi)20:19
elbthough, in reality, 11Mbps wifi compares quite poorly to 10Mbps Ethernet20:19
AStormargh, it's over some SPI20:19
||cwyeah, B wifi is more like 400KB/s20:19
elbnot only is it barely over half the rate, there are a lot of timing issues with wireless that are poor for TCP throughput20:20
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AStormhmm, ok, now I need a softmac driver that builds under 2.6.2520:23
AStormand port cx3110x to it20:23
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freelikegnuthats exciting20:25
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freelikegnuit will be great to have a true debian with recent kernel in the n8**20:27
freelikegnu /20:28
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eathprodseems like i cant get in touch with my mmc from my Fedora8 with usb cable, i just tried with my nokia n73 and that worked, could it be som fedora update or are there reported similar bugs?20:29
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GeneralAntillesJust use sftp? :P20:29
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AStormok, porting won't be as hard as I thought20:30
AStormthe kernel prism54 driver is very similar20:30
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AStormnow we know why wifi is so bad at N20:35
AStormthey use SA_INTERRUPT all over the place on irqs20:35
AStormin effect this is a STI20:36
AStorma critical section20:36
keesjAStorm: wokring on free wifi driver?20:37
AStormon cx3110x to build20:37
elbGeneralAntilles: that sort of response is a pretty annoying non-answer :-P20:37
AStormfor starters, with new kernel20:37
elbeathprod: when you plug the tablet in, does the fedora box log the detection of a usb mass storage device?20:38
GeneralAntillesI don't have a good one, so I figured I'd recommend a good alternative.20:38
GeneralAntillesSo, meh.20:38
elbeathprod: (you can run 'dmesg' to check)20:38
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AStormso, I can just turn that into 020:38
AStormthanks to lxr :D20:39
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AStormor, no20:39
AStormnah, I have to set the flag20:39
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AStormor things might break20:40
AStormstill, it is a critical section, bqad for latenc20:40
eathprodgot a line with: usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -11020:40
elbeathprod: dose that happen every time you plug it in?20:40
elbcan you try a different USB port?20:41
eathprodi have tried another usb port, happens the same, worked 2 days ago20:42
eathprodthe whole on pastebin
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AStormI'll just axe that flag and see what goes20:44
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AStormno STI, but it shouldn't break anything20:45
AStormthe flag was molst likely misused anyway20:45
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AStormyay, it built20:46
AStormI wonder if it'll load that umac20:46
AStormdiff. kernel and gcc version, hmm20:47
AStormit needs more porting due to skb changes :)20:49
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AStormactually, the conexant guzs are breaking the GPL20:54
AStormthe umac is not firmware20:54
AStormyet cx3110x is set as GPL20:55
AStormbut it calls non-GPL umac20:55
AStormeven, links against it20:55
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AStormtheoretically, people could sue the hell out of them, make them provide a real driver20:57
Atarii/ignore AStorm20:57
AStormany other traffic in here?20:57
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GeneralAntillesHe's got a thing again monologuing I guess. :P20:58
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X-FadeHeh ;)21:00
X-FadeDid everbody see the newest maemo community guy for the documentation department?21:01
X-Fadedneary: Give a shout out here ;)21:01
AStormsomeone should make conexant lawyers realize the truth: no one would want to steal their crummy device design21:03
AStormand it's been reverse engineered already21:03
GeneralAntillesHowdy, dneary! and use the escape key on the front face on the N810. ;)21:03
Atariiok so sounds plays fine for me in 2008he :S21:04
X-FadeAStorm: You know that is not the only reason. They don't want you to play with the regulated hardware settings. Like power and perhaps also frequency.21:04
AStormblah blah21:04
AStormand they're too cheap to enforce these in the hw part of the firmware?21:05
AStormLMAC should be enforcing these21:05
X-FadeAStorm: Just like those crappy winmodems ;)21:05
AStormthey're afraid someone will steal their ARM chip? lol21:06
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AStormthere's nothing worth stealing21:06
AStormIntel has better devices already21:07
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AStormI see OE guys have an objcopy hack21:09
AStormto make umac.ko work21:09
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AStormthey copy the functions off the binary umac into a stub21:10
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RST38hPower/Frequency settings are actually dangerous to tweak21:19
RST38hYou *can* damage your CPU with them21:19
NaviGet your Apple i now:
RST38hSo, normally, a manufacturer will have a function call like SetPowerProfile(enum PowerProfile)21:20
RST38hAnd expose this call and a bunch of different profiles to the developers21:20
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dnearyGeneralAntilles: Thanks!21:21
dnearyI was getting very close on the level, wasn't quite using the wedge you did21:22
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GeneralAntillesThank fiferboy from ITT for that solution. I actually used another mini catapult. I think I got a bit lucky. :D21:23
X-FadeHeh, yeah I am kind of stuck in that level too. You have to find methods to lift/throw stuff.21:24
X-FadeWhich is very cool ;)21:25
GeneralAntillesBuilding catapults and trebuchets is damn fun work.21:25
RST38hHow do you beat the level with two pendulums shielding the ball from both sides?21:27
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NaviI used a lever to open it21:28
X-FadeI used a bunch of small balls to push it out.21:28
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X-FadeAnd a lever to open up.21:29
GeneralAntillesI attached a long line with a heavy ball on the end to the end of the right door21:29
GeneralAntillesdraw the ball up high and it'll pull open the door as it falls.21:30
Atariiwhat game is that?21:30
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* Atarii installs...21:31
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X-FadeAtarii: There goes your spare time ;)21:32
Atariidammit, no revision for me :p21:32
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AStormmy crosscompiler is wrong eabi :P21:34
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Atariinumpty physics doesnt work with 2008he phew!22:27
GeneralAntillesSee ITT22:28
GeneralAntillesThey have a thread22:28
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GeneralAntillesI'm pretty sure somebody compiled it.22:28
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* AStorm is building arm-none-eabi toolchain22:28
Atariidont tell me that!22:28
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Atariianyone know why it doesnt recognise when i plug the usb cable into the device? its connect to the computer22:36
Atariiit sometimes recognises it, and doesnt other times22:36
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KotCzarnyrunning vista on 8core server?22:52
AStormI'm unable to build a kernel with vfp support and -mcpu=arm1136jf-s22:52
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KotCzarnybuild without22:53
AStormbitches about unsupported asm instruction22:53
AStormKotCzarny: no, it should work!22:53
AStormvfp code is faster than not too22:53
KotCzarnythat's up to benchmarks, not intuition22:54
AStorm... someone did test it22:54
AStormbut I need kernel support22:54
KotCzarnyfor you it should compile/run first22:54
qwerty12_N800AStorm: Know any asm? :p. I wanted to learn tto creat some code that would go in firmware of my w810 but I couldn't be arsed :p22:54
KotCzarnythen you can start optimizing22:54
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AStormqwerty12_N800: some asm is not enough22:55
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AStormI'd need docs and copious time22:55
qwerty12_N800:(. Hope  you succeed with this, be a great achievement imho.22:56
AStormok, gcc 4.2.3 -mcpu  is buggy22:56
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KotCzarnyor monetary motivation22:56
AStormnow, -march + -mcpu is ok22:56
KotCzarnyif you use march you don't have to use mcpu22:56
AStormfor some reason it tells me that arm1136jf-s is not armv622:56
AStormwhat a load :P22:57
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qwerty12_N800Does anyone know if language changer on hildon small virtual keyboard is part of layout file or part of hildon-im-plugin?22:58
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qwerty12_N800Anyone? :(. I want my caps lock back and the "En" bringing up the settings really pees me off because of the delay and I only have 1 language set.23:01
lcukKotCzarny, feelin any better yet - im slowly dying here23:01
lcuktho i made it throu the nite :)23:02
KotCzarnylcuk, yeah, i was mostly sleeping for the last night/day23:02
lcuksame here - slept longer today than i have done in months23:02
KotCzarnyand woke up wet23:03
Atariiman this numpty physics game is awesome23:03
qwerty12_N800Hope you both get better. I had the flu last month and I really felt like sawing my nose off >.>23:03
KotCzarnyat least my eyes don't hurt as yesterday23:03
KotCzarnyqwerty: it's not flu, i think23:03
KotCzarnymy nose isn't afected23:04
lcukmine is getting to my throat more than anywhere - i can breath slow enough for normal use, but when i cough its like im cheqing on a chainsaw23:04
lcukeyes did hurt actually whenever i looked around23:04
qwerty12_N800:(. I thought you had flu from the quick snippets I read.23:04
lcukahhh GeneralAntilles its ok we arent contaigious in public chat23:04
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KotCzarnyok, i haven't been to the doctor23:04
KotCzarnyso it can be anything23:04
KotCzarnyand for the ftp too23:05
flo_lapMaybe i should leave to avoid getting this too ;)23:05
lcuklol flo - hopefully i will be cured by next month ;023:05
qwerty12_N800flo_lap: Long wait... :p23:05
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lcukofftopic q:   on my windows machine i have wired internet and a wireless card.  i run the wireless in adhoc mode.  what can i use to list the mac addresses of things on the wireless side (google is shit)23:06
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KotCzarnynmap ?23:07
KotCzarnythen arp print23:07
KotCzarnyor something23:07
lcukbut i thought nmap was a hackers' tool23:08
* lcuk doesnt wanna get arrested23:08
qwerty12_N800I ran it in school once...23:08
qwerty12_N800It fine on a network u run23:08
KotCzarnythen just run with -p 80 arg23:08
Atariilcuk are you from germany?23:08
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: it's fine on a network u run23:08
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lcukno atarii im in england :P23:09
Atariiwell then nmap is fine23:09
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Atariiyou can also use netstumbler23:09
qwerty12_N800It's a "security penetration" tool. Supposidly (spelling) for admins to test their own networks...23:10
lcuki am inside.  i just want to list whats looking through my window23:10
lcukthx though its downloading23:10
qwerty12_N800Don't go near the bushes...23:10
KotCzarnylions be ther ?23:11
jaskano... georges be there23:11
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ZiriuzHi all!23:48
KotCzarny- all: No such nick/channel23:48
lardmanAStorm: did anyone reply to suggest why you can't build a kernel using arm1136jf-s ?23:48
ZiriuzI have a question: I have installed right now the new hacker edition for my Nokia 770. It's possible to use xterm? I ca install the one for OS2007 or OS2006 or i must search for OS 2008? OS2008 is compatible with apps developed for previous OS?23:50
lardmanAStorm: qemu doesn't support the -mcup=arm1136jf-s instruction set due to some odd ARM patent thing iirc23:50
KotCzarnyargh. patents :/23:50
lardmanAStorm: so if any intermediate binaries are compiled and need to be run, the build will fail23:50
GeneralAntillesZiriuz, OS2008 is bundled with xterm.23:50
GeneralAntillesOS2007 you'll need to grab a bora xterm package23:51
RST38h"NASA officials have voiced their approval of how Russia handled the crisis. They expect to rely heavily on Soyuz spacecraft once the shuttles are retired in 2010."23:51
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* RST38h imagines some US senators shitting bricks and giggles23:52
lardmanAStorm: I should also add that afaik the kernel doesn't use floating point, so compiling with vfp support is pointless23:52
KotCzarnyi have always wondered23:52
ZiriuzUhm, I installed the latest Hacker Version, it's signed as 200823:53
KotCzarnyto actually use some cpu specific intructions does kernel needs to know about them?23:53
GeneralAntillesThen you already have xterm, Ziriuz.23:53
KotCzarnyor only gcc?23:53
AStormlardman: wrong23:53
AStormit has the setup code for vfp23:53
AStormthat was throwing the error23:53
ZiriuzGeneralAntilles: I'm searching for it :S23:54
lardmanAStorm: fair enough23:54
GeneralAntillesIt's right in the menu23:54
GeneralAntillesunder Utilities23:54
ZiriuzUhm... I don't have it :S23:54
AStormok, so I need arm-none-linux-gnueabi toolchain23:54
GeneralAntillesYou sure it's OS200823:55
GeneralAntillesIf it's OS2007, then it's not bundled23:55
AStormnot arm-pc-linux-gnu23:55
GeneralAntillesand you need to grab a copy for bora23:55
KotCzarnytablet is a pc23:55
KotCzarnynot x86 but23:56
ZiriuzGeneralAntilles: My Information: "Internet Tablet OS2007 hacker edition for the 770, Version: 4.2008.7-123:56
GeneralAntillesAh, right, we've confused the build year and the OS version. ;)23:56
ZiriuzIf i connect to it autoselect OS2008 :)23:56
AStormKotCzarny: the gnueabi part is the most important23:58
ZiriuzGeneralAntilles: does it means that it'is Chinook or that it's Bora?23:59
GeneralAntillesOS2008 is Chinook23:59
GeneralAntillesOS2007 is Bora23:59

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