| practisevoodoo_ | unable to install vncviewer. incompatible application package | 00:00 |
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| joe_mib | smackpotato: well it has like a spiral in the middle | 00:00 |
| lcuk2 | practisevoodoo, the project page has a test version for chinook | 00:01 |
| k0uak | lol | 00:01 |
| lcuk2 | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1948 | 00:01 |
| k0uak | while i download Vmware Player | 00:01 |
| k0uak | kaspersky says | 00:01 |
| k0uak | Trojan.Win32.Obfuscated.zv | 00:01 |
| k0uak | wtf ? | 00:01 |
| lcuk2 | where you dl from? | 00:02 |
| k0uak | http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmplayer/VMware-player-2.0.3-80004.exe | 00:02 |
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| k0uak | wtf ... :/ | 00:03 |
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| lcuk2 | well since there are only 3 references to this specific "virus" on google i would suggest its something else | 00:03 |
| k0uak | no bcz it says it's the file from vmware which is downloading now | 00:04 |
| k0uak | lol | 00:04 |
| lcuk2 | no, what i mean is: if it was the vmware file itself you would have thought LOTS of people would have seen this problem | 00:04 |
| k0uak | yes but i can send u a screenshoot lol | 00:05 |
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| lcuk2 | since its just you and 2 other people around the world have seen or talked about this virus makes me think its something else | 00:05 |
| lcuk2 | its most likely the heuristic scanning | 00:05 |
| k0uak | k | 00:05 |
| lcuk2 | but to be sure wear a condom | 00:06 |
| lcuk2 | and beware of greeks bearing gifts | 00:06 |
| k0uak | ^^ | 00:06 |
| k0uak | but it's wierd from VMware :/ | 00:06 |
| lcuk2 | yer does sound strange i am getting it myself and when its finished ill tell you if AVG thinks its dodgy | 00:07 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 00:07 |
| k0uak | as you say it's maybe heuristic scanning bcz it's while downloading :/ | 00:07 |
| k0uak | so as you say lcuk2 this magic-linux-distro will remove the code too ? ^^ | 00:09 |
| practisevoodoo_ | yay! vnc | 00:09 |
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| RST38h | beware of geeks wearing condoms | 00:11 |
| lcuk2 | remove what code? | 00:11 |
| lcuk2 | i just heard someone wanted the maemovmware image :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk2 | lol rst | 00:12 |
| lcuk2 | incidentally, avg says "no threats found" | 00:12 |
| k0uak | ok :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk2 | but your might have been invaded | 00:12 |
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| k0uak | maybe lol | 00:12 |
| NullM0dem | theres a maemo vmware image? | 00:13 |
| k0uak | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:14 |
| lcuk2 | maemo development sdk/toolchain vmware image | 00:14 |
| k0uak | yes | 00:14 |
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| RST38h | urgh...eclipse | 00:17 |
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| Atarii | eclipse is sex | 00:18 |
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| Atarii | is there a maemo sdk livecd? | 00:19 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 00:20 | |
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| practisevoodoo_ | oooh http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/04/23/nokia-internet-tablets-get-ubuntu-and-qt | 00:20 |
| Jaffa | Old news ;-) | 00:20 |
| practisevoodoo_ | well no-one told em | 00:21 |
| practisevoodoo_ | *me | 00:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, quick question re mediautils, does it check to see if the source is below the set quality level? | 00:22 |
| k0uak | downloading the 2-gig vmware image x) | 00:22 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yes, tablet-encode does that and does -ovc copy and -oac copy if the streams are compatible with the device. Alternatively, if the streams are the right format but the wrong bitrate/res, it'll try to work out an equivalence so it doesn't encode artifacts. | 00:23 |
| k0uak | Will I be able to install os2007 with the : Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance, 0.5 | 00:23 |
| k0uak | ? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent, thanks. | 00:23 |
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| k0uak | please | 00:25 |
| NullM0dem | 2gig vmware image ??? | 00:25 |
| k0uak | yes | 00:25 |
| k0uak | three parts | 00:25 |
| k0uak | 2 of 1 go each | 00:25 |
| k0uak | and one of 138 megs | 00:26 |
| NullM0dem | is that just a vm for development? | 00:26 |
| flo_lap | re | 00:26 |
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| k0uak | it's for flash | 00:26 |
| k0uak | because the tool | 00:26 |
| k0uak | can remove the code | 00:26 |
| k0uak | bcz i forgot it | 00:26 |
| k0uak | windows tool don't do it | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, Ubuntu 8.04's going to have finished downloading the packages to upgrade in a couple of hours. I'll be asleep, I think | 00:26 |
| elb | k0uak: one sentence per line, remember | 00:27 |
| k0uak | yes sorry | 00:27 |
| NullM0dem | thats IM habits :) | 00:27 |
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| k0uak | or someone else has the magic solution to remove the code ^^ | 00:27 |
| k0uak | i don't use Instant messenger :) just because i must wrote like that at work :) | 00:28 |
| elb | if IM is short for "annoying", we totally agree | 00:28 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 00:32 |
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| Mikho | ah, a new version of ubuntu | 00:39 |
| Mikho | anyone tried it? | 00:39 |
| practisevoodoo_ | its downloading atm | 00:39 |
| Mikho | last time I upgraded to feisty it broke the whole installation in two different computers | 00:39 |
| k0uak | 'night all | 00:39 |
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| joe_mib | It's actually the first ubuntu version that made things work worse over the previous veriion here... | 00:41 |
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| Mikho | feisty? | 00:42 |
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| lcuk2 | joe_mib, firefox 3 beta causing problems? | 00:42 |
| lcuk2 | or other things | 00:42 |
| chrisak | is ubuntu the dist. of choice nowadays? | 00:44 |
| practisevoodoo_ | fedora or suse for raid | 00:44 |
| lcuk2 | its got the popular momentum | 00:44 |
| lcuk2 | its like the britney spears of linuces | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | Mikho: downloading atm | 00:44 |
| joe_mib | firefox 3 sucks, pulse audio doesn't work, mac keyboard is not supported correctly (was in gutsy), crashes (i never had anything crash with gutsy, now i have a few applications crashing per day) | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | joe_mib: damn, mac keyboard'll be annoying since I've got a USB aluminium one atm | 00:45 |
| chrisak | fedora is what i was using; really enjoyed it. miss having a computer to tool arouund with | 00:46 |
| practisevoodoo_ | im going to try this in windows instal function on my laptop | 00:46 |
| joe_mib | Jaffa: that's the one i have - really annoying right now (i read it's a kernel bug that will evantually be fixed...) | 00:47 |
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| Jaffa | joe_mib: a kernel bug? yowser. | 00:49 |
| Atarii | lolyowser | 00:49 |
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| joe_mib | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201887 | 00:51 |
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| Atarii | Status: Repository is online, but empty! | 00:56 |
| Atarii | what happened to the http://eko.one.pl/maemo repo? | 00:56 |
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| lcuk2 | at Berlin airport? | 02:17 |
| lcuk2 | :D i can make proper arrangements now for Linuxtag, Quim has contacted us and given an outline of how we get there.. | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 02:19 |
| flo_lap | that's a good topic... | 02:20 |
| lcuk2 | if only i wasnt dying right now i would be jumping around | 02:20 |
| * flo_lap still has no clue how to get there | 02:20 | |
| lcuk2 | check your mail then, by how i read mine i think he sent it to everyone | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's what you get for licking those nasty bathroom door handles. | 02:20 |
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| lcuk2 | nahhh, the door handles are fine, i wiped the handle with some toiletroll i found on the floor (it was a bit wet) | 02:22 |
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| flo_lap | lcuk2: I told him that i'll be there anyway | 02:23 |
| flo_lap | maybe that was a bad idea ;) | 02:23 |
| lcuk2 | hehe | 02:23 |
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| lcuk2 | how long are you staying for | 02:23 |
| flo_lap | I guess for the whole event and one or two days more. We have a date for the OE e.V. in Berlin at this time and I have a brother living there. | 02:24 |
| lcuk2 | best way really :) | 02:25 |
| lcuk2 | i just noticed you are doing other things there anyway | 02:25 |
| lcuk2 | hmm | 02:30 |
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| jott | hm as the maemo event is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening - http://www.linuxtag.org/2008/en/besucher/linuxnacht.html | 02:55 |
| jott | s/maemo event/maemo track/ | 02:55 |
| infobot | jott meant: hm as the maemo track is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening - http://www.linuxtag.org/2008/en/besucher/linuxnacht.html | 02:55 |
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| lcuk2 | jott, post that idea up on linuxdevelopers and we can discuss properly | 03:12 |
| lcuk2 | sounds like a plan though | 03:12 |
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| WormFood | I just started playing with that NumptyPhysics game last night....and it seems pretty fuckin' cool! | 06:31 |
| Navi | Sure is | 06:32 |
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| tsukasa_ | altsld vls, kjd nd;k rpaid ks nft a l800 gl naluvsv{ | 07:04 |
| shapr | um | 07:04 |
| tsukasa_ | goddamn dvorak switching | 07:04 |
| shapr | really? | 07:04 |
| shapr | aoeu htns? | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, tsukasa_. | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I switched a few years ago. | 07:05 |
| tsukasa_ | anyone know of a place to get a n800 in bangkok? | 07:05 |
| tsukasa_ | im in the process of learning it | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't really sell to asia | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's gonna be a pain to find. | 07:06 |
| tsukasa_ | how about shipped to asia | 07:06 |
| tsukasa_ | surely some online store does intl shipping | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not anything I know of off-hand | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't say I've investigated, though. | 07:07 |
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| WormFood | tsukasa_, I'm in China...I'd be willing to sell you my N800 for the right price (it has a 4 gig sd card with it too) | 07:22 |
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| WormFood | I don't have the box or the docs with it, but I do have the spare stylus and charger with it...I bought it in late January | 07:23 |
| tsukasa_ | WormFood, not for me my friend, how much? | 07:23 |
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| WormFood | I'd take 1800 RMB for it | 07:24 |
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| WormFood | I got the memory card in usa too (sandisk), so it isn't counterfeit | 07:25 |
| WormFood | the memory card is useless to me without the n800....it of course comes with the original SD card too, but it is only 128 meg | 07:25 |
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| smackpotato | i just bought a counterfit blue dongle | 07:25 |
| tank-man | dongle for what | 07:26 |
| WormFood | bluetooth | 07:26 |
| smackpotato | bluetooth | 07:26 |
| smackpotato | its adress was 11.11.11.11.11.11 | 07:26 |
| tank-man | heh | 07:27 |
| smackpotato | its ok solong as noone near has the szme fake one | 07:28 |
| smackpotato | a spirl? | 07:29 |
| WormFood | I can get all kinds of counterfeit stuff here ;) | 07:29 |
| WormFood | I think everything here is counterfeit | 07:29 |
| smackpotato | where are you | 07:30 |
| WormFood | but I did buy some verbatim DVDs I think are real....and my friend bought some chinese branded DVDs, and every one of those pieces of shit are bvd | 07:30 |
| WormFood | I'm in Shenzhen | 07:30 |
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| WormFood | or should I say...I'm in 深圳, ä¸å›½ | 07:30 |
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| smackpotato | i heard in shanghi they counterfit everything but your grandmother | 07:31 |
| WormFood | indeed | 07:31 |
| WormFood | Remember the dangerous toys? They are made where I live :D | 07:31 |
| smackpotato | i was in shenzen 20 years ago | 07:32 |
| WormFood | when it was a fishing village? | 07:33 |
| WormFood | you wouldn't recognize the city now ;) | 07:33 |
| smackpotato | no there was some development. i didnt notic much i just caught the train | 07:33 |
| smackpotato | so whats the hot counterfit item to have | 07:35 |
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| WormFood | I don't know | 07:37 |
| WormFood | since almost everything here is counterfeit | 07:38 |
| WormFood | I even visited a card factory, they make PVC (plastic) cards, like credit cards....and in their samples were counterfeit tags for gucci and omega watches | 07:38 |
| WormFood | bwhahahaha | 07:38 |
| WormFood | other counterfeit tags, but I can't remember their names now | 07:39 |
| WormFood | I have some as samples :D | 07:39 |
| WormFood | it was pretty cool....they even make smart cards there | 07:39 |
| WormFood | I saw the milling machines drilling out the cavities for the smart cards, and the machine installing the smart card chips | 07:39 |
| WormFood | they wouldn't let me take any pictures, but I wanted to | 07:40 |
| WormFood | so if any of you guys want to get business cards made, I can do some pretty cool stuff at a very reasonable price | 07:40 |
| WormFood | they can even make transparent cards...holograms...gold and silver reflective decorations....anything you've seen before, they can make | 07:41 |
| WormFood | raised lettering, like on credit cards, pictures.....every type of card I've ever seen, they can make....magnetic stripes...freaking amazing | 07:41 |
| smackpotato | im the only guy in northamerica who doesntt have a platnem card | 07:42 |
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| WormFood | I guess so | 07:43 |
| WormFood | hehehe | 07:43 |
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| WormFood | I don't even own a credit card, but I have 2 with my name on them | 07:43 |
| WormFood | hhhhmmmm | 07:43 |
| smackpotato | are there fake nokias | 07:44 |
| WormFood | my mom added me to her credit card accounts, and I now have 2 credit cards in my name, but not my account | 07:44 |
| WormFood | I don't know | 07:44 |
| WormFood | I saw a nokia factory here | 07:44 |
| WormFood | I think the nokia factory was in dongguan | 07:44 |
| WormFood | I know there are counterfeit batteries all over the place | 07:48 |
| smackpotato | some of them work ok | 07:48 |
| WormFood | I bought a "new" battery for my laptop for under $30 | 07:48 |
| smackpotato | any chep small laptops | 07:51 |
| smackpotato | cheap | 07:51 |
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| WormFood | I can get used IBM thinkpads here all day long | 07:51 |
| WormFood | the electronics and computer flea markets here are incredible | 07:52 |
| WormFood | funny thing is, new laptops here cost just as much as in usa....and the make the fuckers here! | 07:52 |
| alp | hey, any idea how to install existing debs with sb2? | 07:52 |
| alp | sb2 dpkg -i libicu36_3.6-2_armel.deb: dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege | 07:52 |
| czr | alp, prepend with 'fakeroot' | 07:53 |
| WormFood | make yourself root | 07:53 |
| WormFood | I like the "root" package best, because you just type "root" and you become root | 07:53 |
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| alp | czr: now complains that package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386), even though chinook40_armel is selected with sb2-config | 07:55 |
| czr | what about sb2 fakeroot dpkg ... | 07:56 |
| alp | neither way round does it. | 07:57 |
| alp | same dpkg error | 07:57 |
| * czr shrugs then | 07:57 | |
| czr | haven't used sb2 | 07:57 |
| alp | thanks, got me a bit further at least | 07:59 |
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| doc|home | can someone do me a favour and bookmark www.engadget.com (without visiting the site) then visit the site and tell me what the icon looks like in the bookmarks? | 08:01 |
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| n800n | personal menu = safe? | 08:15 |
| n800n | i haven't backed up yet the tablet and it's in a pretty nice spot | 08:15 |
| n800n | just wondering. | 08:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Perfectly, n800n. | 08:23 |
| n800n | cool | 08:23 |
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| n800n | hm what would be the reason for app dld/installing to hang? | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are you installing? | 08:34 |
| n800n | p menu off the maemo site | 08:35 |
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| keesj | n800 usualy requiring user intervention | 08:43 |
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| n800n | the instal instructions bad i think, it worked thru app manager | 08:52 |
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| _polto_ | hello | 09:10 |
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| tsukasa_ | hi | 09:14 |
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| keesj | hi | 09:16 |
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| _polto_ | I think some people here would be happy to see this: http://wiki.elphel.com/index.php?title=GeoTagging & http://wiki.elphel.com/index.php?title=Pricing/Discount/Donation_Policy#Free_of_charge_camera_for_developers | 09:20 |
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| bigup | Hello :) | 10:58 |
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| p| | V2-Day oggi ,andate a votare i 3 referendum mi raccomando ! | 11:02 |
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| Tama^2 | ?? | 11:05 |
| Tama^2 | p|: wtf? :) | 11:06 |
| Tama^2 | which referendum? | 11:06 |
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| hendry | what is a type `sb2 debuild args` for cross compiling with maemo chinook ? | 11:10 |
| RST38h | ? | 11:12 |
| hendry | s/type/typical | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | hendry: `sb2' is Scratchbox 2 - a newer build system for developing maemo. `debuild' is a Debian command for building .deb files for a source tree. `args' correspon... ah | 11:14 |
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| hendry | my debuild seems to still think it's in a 486 environ | 11:16 |
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| hendry | instead of the arm | 11:16 |
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| hendry | i am guess i need to pass an architecture argument | 11:17 |
| RST38h | what bootstrap are you using for sb2? | 11:17 |
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| hendry | chinook | 11:18 |
| RST38h | armel or x86? | 11:18 |
| RST38h | there are two, I think | 11:19 |
| hendry | i am a little confused here | 11:19 |
| hendry | why there is a x86 bootstrap there | 11:19 |
| RST38h | For debugging | 11:19 |
| hendry | because don't I obviously want to build for arm | 11:19 |
| RST38h | You debug on PC using x86 boostrap | 11:19 |
| hendry | well i want to build for arm | 11:19 |
| hendry | oh | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Then use armel boostrap for release | 11:19 |
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| hendry | ok, well, I just want to compile this arm | 11:20 |
| hendry | RST38h: how do i select that please? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | (In fact, I never build with x86 bootstrap - it is pretty useless because it behaves differently from the armel] | 11:20 |
| hendry | RST38h: word | 11:20 |
| RST38h | hendry: I do not remember - refer to sb2 manual | 11:20 |
| * RST38h has done it once and forgot | 11:20 | |
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| * Jaffa hasn't used sb2 much yet | 11:22 | |
| RST38h | Jaffa: you should, it is such a relief... | 11:22 |
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| RST38h | I am basically building from the same source base as Unix/Windows/MSDOS/etc and even the Makefile is pretty much the same as the Unix one | 11:23 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:34 |
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| CVirus | Are there SIP and IAX clients for mameo ? | 11:55 |
| aquatix | gizmo talks sip | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | SIP: Gizmo & rtcomm-beta. Dunno about IAX | 11:57 |
| aquatix | and rtcomm-beta too indeed | 11:57 |
| * Jaffa should get around to trying that, but I'm too busy reformatting my internal SD card which has finally been bitten by the corruption bug. | 11:58 | |
| Jaffa | Colour me unimpressed. | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa, n810 ? | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | aye | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | it should be written with big letters on maemo.org | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | that factory default is a time bomb | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | It's really nasty | 11:59 |
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| KotCzarny | it's just a wrong size | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | bigger than physical geometry | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | few kb more, but enough to corrupt sooner or later | 12:00 |
| RST38h | I wonder whether the next firmware update will come with the same problem... | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | and i have observed that on original n-gage it also creates wrong partition size | 12:00 |
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| KotCzarny | rst: firmware update would have to repartition sd on n810 | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | and i doubt they will risk overwriting user's data | 12:01 |
| Khertan | <KotCzarny> that factory default is a time bomb ?? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Doesn;t it wipe mmc2 when installing? | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: yes | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | do sfdisk -l | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | and see for yourself | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | partition size blocks is bigger than physical gemetry | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | geometry | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | rst: i don't know, i have n800 | 12:02 |
| Khertan | sfdisk ? | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: yes | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | it will list your partitions | 12:02 |
| Khertan | ah hum ... sorry path is incorrect for user | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | you have to be root | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | you can try /sbin/sfdisk -l | 12:03 |
| Khertan | what i ve done | 12:03 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: reflashing doesn't touch either internal or external SD cards | 12:04 |
| Khertan | mmcb1k1p1 start expected (3,29,9) found (0,130,3) | 12:04 |
| Khertan | ouch | 12:04 |
| Khertan | hopefully it only store swap ... :) | 12:05 |
| Khertan | and temporary video | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | and part of the built-in map install | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | i assume they do some tricks with geometry to hide some lock data | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Good to know (I have got stuff on mmc2) | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | at least that was the case on n-gage | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | and i think once disk gets full it hits physical gemetry boundary and writes on the beginning of the card | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | *geometry | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | Exactly. I filled mine up with music thinking I'd corrected the partition size mismatch, but hadn't. | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if there is a bug filled for that | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | For the size mismatch or the fact the kernel could handle it as a bugfix? | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | for the wrong partition size | 12:10 |
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| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940 | 12:11 |
| Khertan | so a simple format from file manager correct it ? | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | no resolution | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | no | 12:12 |
| Khertan | arg | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | you have to repartition it | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | format doesn't touch partition table | 12:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... yes | 12:12 |
| Khertan | i m stupid | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | Didn't someone say a format in Windows would do it? | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | resolution is a simple one liner | 12:13 |
| derf | Are you really going to take advice from someone who uses Windows? | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | sfdisk && mkdosfs | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | derf: do I trust anything running on the device itself when it comes to partitioning these days? | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have access to n810 do i can't provide numbers | 12:14 |
| derf | Oh, I repartitioned over USB, sure. | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | *so | 12:14 |
| CVirus | Can the N810 get an internet connection via USB ? | 12:14 |
| derf | And blew away the steaming pile of crap that is FAT to replace it with ext3, while I was at it. | 12:14 |
| Khertan | hum how do u do a & on the n810 keyboard ? | 12:14 |
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| KotCzarny | shift 7 ? | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:14 |
| Khertan | (i ve this stupid keyboard ... nammed azerty) | 12:15 |
| derf | Astoundingly, all of the SD-card related instabilities I'd been experiencing vanished when I dropped FAT. | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | derf: i have left vfat, some packages rely on /media/mmc2 | 12:15 |
| derf | It's still mounted at /media/mmc2 | 12:16 |
| derf | It's just using a real filesystem now. | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | i boot from it | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:16 |
| derf | Well, no one says you can't have _two_ partitions that both use a real filesystem. | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | ok ok :) | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | Bug 2802 appears to be a duplicate; although I might have accidentally hijacked | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | it for a different bug (filesystem corruption even when the partition is | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | smaller than the device size). | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | heh, vfat fun? | 12:17 |
| Khertan | vfat isn't a filesystem ... it s well know | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | my guess nokia plays some tricks with it | 12:18 |
| derf | It's not even just the filesystem... the kernel's implementation seems to interact very badly with the mmc driver. | 12:19 |
| derf | While ext3 does not... presumably because whoever wrote the ext3 filesystem for the kernel actually knew what they were doing. | 12:19 |
| derf | But with FAT I would get constant failures to read the card, even claiming the entire thing was corrupt, and I'd power-cycle the thing and everything would look fine (for 30 minutes or so, anyway). | 12:20 |
| woodwizzle | has anyone seen the 32gb SDHC chips for sale anywhere? | 12:21 |
| woodwizzle | I've only found one on google shopping for over $400. kinda ridiculous | 12:22 |
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| KotCzarny | ..on a preorder? ;) | 12:23 |
| woodwizzle | I'm not sure. I didn't even click that far to find out when I saw the pricetag | 12:25 |
| woodwizzle | and yeah, it is a preorder =) | 12:25 |
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| woodwizzle | That would make a 64gb n800 cost a grand | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | imagine corrupting 32gb | 12:27 |
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| Khertan | hihi | 12:27 |
| lardman | morning | 12:28 |
| derf | Yeah, and at that point it would have more storage than a lot of sub-$1000 laptops. | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | mourning | 12:28 |
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| KotCzarny | 2x cf -- ide adapter is ~30$ | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | and high capacity cf cards are cheaper | 12:29 |
| woodwizzle | Yeah but it wouldn't be in the sub $1000 catagory itself | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | 120$ for 32gb cf | 12:29 |
| RST38h | just plug in a real harddrive into your N800 =) | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | i hate spinning drives | 12:30 |
| woodwizzle | yeah SSD is the way to go =) | 12:30 |
| woodwizzle | if i had that kinda money though I'd just pay some folks to engineer me a n1000 | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | nope, you will e on hawaii | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | *be | 12:31 |
| woodwizzle | no I'd much prefer an n1000 | 12:32 |
| woodwizzle | with its terrabyte of storage, integrated mobile nvidia 8800, and built in expresso maker | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | how about a custo mfitted brain plug? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | for watching those movies, you know | 12:35 |
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| woodwizzle | RST38h: a brain plug??? why on earth would I do that | 12:37 |
| woodwizzle | when I could just get a bluetooth brain | 12:37 |
| CVirus | Does maemo have a terminal application ? | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:38 |
| CVirus | cool | 12:38 |
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| CVirus | xterm | 12:39 |
| CVirus | cool | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | woodwizzle: does it mean that your eyes will blink blue when activ3e? | 12:44 |
| woodwizzle | no because I need to know when I'm active, not people looking at me. | 12:46 |
| woodwizzle | but pairing is difficult task. | 12:46 |
| CVirus | Does the N810 have a GPS chipset / | 12:48 |
| CVirus | ? | 12:48 |
| mib_jkkj | yep | 12:50 |
| CVirus | I mean can it do GPS alone without the need of any other devices ? | 12:50 |
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| woodwizzle | CVirus: yup | 12:51 |
| CVirus | cool | 12:51 |
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| woodwizzle | Though from my understanding its kinda 2nd rate GPS | 12:51 |
| woodwizzle | an external device will increase the accuracy of it | 12:52 |
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| CVirus | I see | 12:52 |
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| woodwizzle | That said, know I don't own an n810 so this is just hearsay =) | 12:53 |
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| Veggen | I haven't really done any accuracy comparitions, but I think the problem is more that it takes time to get a fix than that it's less accurate once it has gotten the fix. | 12:58 |
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| CVirus | How many minutes / | 13:01 |
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| CVirus | cool .. pimlico works on the maemo | 13:07 |
| * CVirus is considering an N810 | 13:08 | |
| Veggen | CVirus: several. haven't timed it, but for me it's long ;) | 13:08 |
| CVirus | I've been waiting for over a year now for OM | 13:09 |
| florian | good morning | 13:09 |
| CVirus | but that last video issue made me re-consider it | 13:09 |
| CVirus | i'll buy an N810 and wait for GTA03 | 13:10 |
| trickie | CVirus: whats the video issue exactly? | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | lo florian | 13:15 |
| CVirus | trickie: the FreeRunner won't be able to play videos ... check the mailing list for more accurate info | 13:16 |
| trickie | CVirus: ah damn, ok will do | 13:16 |
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| Khertan | CVirus > yes pimlico works ... but it s a bit small to be usefull (for me) | 13:33 |
| Khertan | (gpe too :) ) | 13:33 |
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| CVirus | Khertan: what do you use then ? | 13:36 |
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| woodwizzle | Khertan: what do you mean? | 13:36 |
| Khertan | mCalendar ... :) but a it s unfinished ... and far to be perfect too | 13:36 |
| Khertan | woodwizzle> i mean, i always need to sort out the stylus, then use a bit the keyboard, click, click, click again with the stylus | 13:37 |
| Khertan | i don't found the gui very well thinked for a device like the n810 | 13:37 |
| Khertan | should be normal as it s a port | 13:37 |
| CVirus | Khertan: what do you use ? | 13:37 |
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| Khertan | i use mCalendar | 13:37 |
| woodwizzle | can you sync mCalendar with evolution? | 13:38 |
| Khertan | no | 13:38 |
| woodwizzle | :( | 13:38 |
| Khertan | as the binding for python isn't ready | 13:39 |
| Khertan | but i m studying sincing with google calendar | 13:39 |
| Khertan | as evolution can be sync with google calendar ... it should not be a prob | 13:39 |
| lardman | Does anyone know the format of the Maemo LinuxTag presentations/talks? | 13:47 |
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| lardman | hi hrw | 13:50 |
| hrw | morning | 13:50 |
| nomis | fwiw: Statusbarclock updated for Chinook: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/statusbarclock_0.7_armel.deb | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Would you like to add your packages to maemo extas? | 13:55 |
| hrw | nomis: where I can see screenshot of it? | 13:56 |
| nomis | hrw: it still looks basically the same as here: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/statusbar.png | 13:56 |
| nomis | X-Fade: how complicated is that? | 13:57 |
| X-Fade | nomis: Upload with dput? :) | 13:57 |
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| hrw | nomis: ah. that one | 13:58 |
| hrw | nomis: still cannot be switched digital/analog without switching maemo clock? | 13:58 |
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| nomis | hrw: I already have some prototypeish code that matches the new design and uses cairo for drawing. | 13:58 |
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| nomis | hrw: no. I am hesitant to add configuration dialog and lots of bloat for that trivial piece of software. | 13:59 |
| hrw | ok | 13:59 |
| nomis | X-Fade: how is the authentication handled? | 13:59 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: You will get an ivitation from garage with explanation. You need to upload your ssh pubkey for upload and pgp key for package signing. | 14:01 |
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| nomis | X-Fade: it probably helps that statusbarclock already lives at garage? | 14:01 |
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| X-Fade | nomis: Sure. You should receive an invitation in your mail shortly. | 14:03 |
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| * nomis feels stupid. | 14:15 | |
| nomis | how do I get an ascii armored version of my public pgp key? | 14:16 |
| nomis | gpg even. | 14:16 |
| aquatix | man gpg? | 14:16 |
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| nomis | aquatix: this leads me to "gpg -a --export <keyid>" which garage refuses to accept. | 14:21 |
| nomis | (and is a huge blob btw. It might include all the signatures) | 14:22 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:22 |
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| nomis | mhm, now it worked. I must have mis-pasted. | 14:27 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 14:28 |
| aquatix | maybe a stray space somewhere or something | 14:29 |
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| nomis | upload done. | 14:38 |
| aquatix | nomis: ooh, analog clock? | 14:39 |
| aquatix | in status bar, nice | 14:39 |
| * aquatix wants | 14:39 | |
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| aquatix | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ ? | 14:40 |
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| nomis | aquatix: yep. | 14:45 |
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| nomis | aquatix: it needs slight adjustments to the design for chinook which I have not yet completed (#ifdeffed out in the source). | 14:45 |
| nomis | (off for some food) | 14:46 |
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| AStorm | ok, I'm lazy... | 15:00 |
| RST38h | isn | 15:01 |
| RST38h | t everybody? | 15:01 |
| AStorm | could someone build me a btrfs-unstable kernel module for maemo | 15:01 |
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| AStorm | for that 2.6.21-osso1? | 15:01 |
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| AStorm | it's currently the best FS for flash | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | unstable though | 15:04 |
| AStorm | more like unfinished | 15:04 |
| AStorm | it doesn't break randomly like Reiser4 | 15:05 |
| RST38h | Reiser..heheh | 15:05 |
| RST38h | especially good in conjunction with "breaks randomly" | 15:05 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h: i still haven't gotten 60fps real display on the NES emu :( | 15:06 |
| AStorm | RST38h: only v4 | 15:06 |
| AStorm | v3 is stable | 15:06 |
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| AStorm | v4 adds slow moments, like, hangs | 15:06 |
| AStorm | now, after v. long time, it doesn't self-destruct | 15:07 |
| RST38h | AStorm: No, I mean this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Court_appearances | 15:07 |
| AStorm | ah, that | 15:07 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Why do you need 60fps? | 15:07 |
| inz | AStorm, http://inz.fi/brtfs.ko | 15:07 |
| AStorm | inz: current unstable? | 15:07 |
| pupnik_ | i don't like the tearing, and some games flash sprites every other frame | 15:08 |
| RST38h | ah | 15:08 |
| pupnik_ | so when you get hit | 15:08 |
| AStorm | inz: 4oh4 | 15:08 |
| inz | AStorm, 0.13 | 15:08 |
| pupnik_ | if you have frameskip 1, your character disappears | 15:08 |
| AStorm | inz: nah, gimme unstable :) | 15:08 |
| AStorm | "stable" is crashy :) | 15:08 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Will non-integer frameskip help the problem? | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: as in "draw 60% of frames"? | 15:09 |
| pupnik_ | yeah when i disable frameskip the flashing is ok... it flashes enough | 15:09 |
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| pupnik_ | but it's just depressing to not have 60fps in perfect sync | 15:09 |
| RST38h | pupnik: it is nothing unusual | 15:09 |
| RST38h | the device has to do a lot of work | 15:09 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: perfect? is *anything* perfect? | 15:10 |
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| inz | AStorm, meh, you're quite demanding | 15:10 |
| RST38h | and it is not exactly a speed demon | 15:10 |
| AStorm | you'd have to get like, asm-perfect representation | 15:10 |
| inz | AStorm, you should say such request _in advance_ | 15:10 |
| pupnik_ | it can be perfect i think. i just need to work on it | 15:10 |
| AStorm | inz: just the module and maybe tools too | 15:10 |
| * RST38h has 6502 emulation in assembler | 15:10 | |
| pupnik_ | cool | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Don't think it is a silver bullet though | 15:10 |
| AStorm | RST38h: whee, C64! | 15:11 |
| inz | AStorm, same url, new version | 15:11 |
| pupnik_ | oh speed is ok. i get 60fps on 770 | 15:11 |
| AStorm | inz, great, but it was 4oh4 last time | 15:11 |
| AStorm | inz: still... | 15:11 |
| RST38h | so it is only the N800/810 video hardware that causes problems? | 15:11 |
| AStorm | fix that 404 | 15:11 |
| * pupnik_ will try to get work done over the weekend | 15:12 | |
| AStorm | inz: so? | 15:13 |
| aquatix | nomis: hm, do you have a download link? the applet isn't in the download section yet | 15:13 |
| AStorm | inz: you got my hopes up, damn you ;) | 15:15 |
| inz | AStorm, oh, fix the typo in the url | 15:15 |
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| AStorm | lol, indeed | 15:15 |
| inz | Meh, need to build e2fsprogs too... | 15:18 |
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| Jaffa | AStorm/RST38h: Feh, forget C64 - BBC Micro much more fuuuuuuuun :-) | 15:21 |
| AStorm | hehe | 15:22 |
| AStorm | never seeen it | 15:22 |
| AStorm | hmm | 15:23 |
| AStorm | I need non-broken module-init-tools | 15:23 |
| inz | use insmod? | 15:24 |
| fysa | http://www.anders.com/lectures/lars_brownworth/12_byzantine_rulers/ | 15:24 |
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| fysa | nice podcast. | 15:25 |
| AStorm | inz: nah, I've got it now | 15:25 |
| AStorm | but... | 15:25 |
| * RST38h didn't have either | 15:25 | |
| AStorm | you didn't gie me crc module | 15:25 |
| AStorm | *give | 15:26 |
| inz | Hmm, it should be built in the kernel, shouldn't it | 15:26 |
| AStorm | it isn't, apparently | 15:26 |
| inz | meh | 15:26 |
| AStorm | [193178.710937] btrfs: Unknown symbol crc32c_le | 15:26 |
| AStorm | ande | 15:27 |
| AStorm | [193178.726562] btrfs: Unknown symbol write_cache_pages | 15:27 |
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| AStorm | the latter is weird :P | 15:27 |
| inz | http://inz.fi/libcrc32c.ko | 15:28 |
| inz | Is that the one? | 15:28 |
| AStorm | most likely | 15:28 |
| AStorm | still, write_cache_pages is unknown | 15:29 |
| inz | Hmm | 15:29 |
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| inz | http://inz.fi/btrfs-progs_0.14+mcr20080425-0inz1_armel.deb | 15:31 |
| inz | I'll try to figure out the cache pages... | 15:31 |
| AStorm | mhm | 15:31 |
| inz | Hmm, the write_cache_pages is a static funcion in btrfs | 15:32 |
| inz | I wonder... | 15:32 |
| inz | A-ha | 15:33 |
| Khertan | huhu ... is there a way to patch hildon.TimePicker to use my own widget ? | 15:33 |
| inz | AStorm, try the kernel module again now | 15:34 |
| AStorm | ok | 15:34 |
| inz | AStorm, they have taken core from 2.6.23, but had version check < 2.6.20 | 15:34 |
| inz | -r+d | 15:34 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 15:35 |
| inz | Does the module load now? | 15:35 |
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| AStorm | inz: is that really the unstable tree? | 15:36 |
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| AStorm | cmason is telling me it's been fixed | 15:36 |
| inz | AStorm, I pulled the tip.gz from the unstable mercurial | 15:36 |
| AStorm | ok | 15:37 |
| AStorm | he admitted it's wrong :) | 15:37 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:37 |
| AStorm | inz: where's the mkfs? | 15:37 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:38 |
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| nomis | aquatix: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/statusbarclock_0.7_armel.deb | 15:38 |
| inz | AStorm, in the .deb | 15:38 |
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| inz | AStorm, mkfs.btrfs | 15:38 |
| AStorm | hmm, I hmust've missed it | 15:39 |
| AStorm | ya, silly me | 15:39 |
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| AStorm | inz: be sure to mount it with nodatasum and ssd | 15:40 |
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| AStorm | w/o first it'll kill the cpu | 15:40 |
| AStorm | and second is block allocator tweak | 15:40 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 15:41 |
| AStorm | I'll have to add this module to initfs :) | 15:41 |
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| AStorm | I wonder why they had to use separate flash for initfs and not just a partition | 15:42 |
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| inz | AStorm, I don't have any intention to use it | 15:42 |
| AStorm | inz: mhm | 15:42 |
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| AStorm | I'll tell you how it flies | 15:43 |
| AStorm | should be the fastest on flash | 15:43 |
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| AStorm | maybe except jffs2 (but that's a big maybe) | 15:43 |
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| AStorm | hmm, now I'll need that SDHC overdrive kernel ;) | 15:45 |
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| AStorm | but that one I'll build myself | 15:45 |
| inz | Aren't there readily built ones? | 15:45 |
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| AStorm | fanoush', older ones | 15:46 |
| AStorm | but these have no sysfs or proc switch | 15:46 |
| inz | ah | 15:46 |
| AStorm | I'd need info on building a newer kernel | 15:47 |
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| inz | How new do you need? | 15:47 |
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| AStorm | I wonder... do b*e and dsme work with GPIO using standard interface? | 15:48 |
| inz | You'll probably need to rebuild some other stuff too and create new initfs, if you change the kernel version | 15:48 |
| AStorm | inz: sure esp. wifi driver | 15:48 |
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| AStorm | bt is standard I recon? | 15:48 |
| inz | I guess so | 15:48 |
| AStorm | I also dunno if gps needs some module | 15:49 |
| AStorm | inz: the idea is to get CFS (new cpu sched) | 15:50 |
| aquatix | it might be a `serial' device, only needing the daemon | 15:50 |
| AStorm | if you could manage to backport it, it'd be a win | 15:50 |
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| AStorm | there were some old versions for 2.6.21 too | 15:50 |
| AStorm | I'll try a backport myself | 15:51 |
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| AStorm | some git cherry picking | 15:51 |
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| AStorm | inz: I need -omap sources probably | 15:56 |
| AStorm | unless the wifi works with 2.6.23 or newer | 15:56 |
| AStorm | (ofc. linux-omap branch) | 15:56 |
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| inz | AStorm, yes, linux-omap is a wise choice ;) | 16:00 |
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| AStorm | inz: mhm, let's see how well will the cross 4.2.3 work | 16:01 |
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| AStorm | need gcc 4.2.3 on the tablet too | 16:03 |
| AStorm | ofc. with libstdc++-v3 | 16:03 |
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| KhaledHosny | hi every one | 16:11 |
| KhaledHosny | I just got my n810 tablet, but I'm facing some problems | 16:12 |
| nomis | yay for problems! | 16:12 |
| KhaledHosny | basically, the device doesn't start the interface, it just loads then stops | 16:12 |
| nomis | KhaledHosny: did you install external software? | 16:13 |
| Cptnodegard | i designed a new windows specific keyboard: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/PICT0710.jpg | 16:13 |
| Navi | O_o | 16:13 |
| KhaledHosny | nomis: nope, it just worked for less than a minute, then rebooted itself and entered a loop of rebooting | 16:14 |
| nomis | eek. | 16:14 |
| Navi | Cptnodegard, funny | 16:14 |
| Navi | KhaledHosny, flash your N810 with the latest image | 16:14 |
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| KhaledHosny | nomis: I reflaseh it with the latest os, but it get worse, it doesn't even reach the "connecting people" screen wany more | 16:15 |
| aquatix | Cptnodegard: :) | 16:15 |
| Cptnodegard | computer crashed again... so i was inspired to make a dedicated keyboard | 16:15 |
| Navi | :P | 16:15 |
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| Navi | I have my BSoD screensaver bound to C+A+D | 16:15 |
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| KhaledHosny | Navi: I already did ^^^ | 16:16 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 16:16 |
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| Navi | So whenever a friend manages to freeze something, he/she hits ctrl+alt+del and it BSoDs | 16:16 |
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| Navi | They still haven't figured it out ^^ | 16:17 |
| Cptnodegard | lol thats brilliantly evil :D | 16:17 |
| Cptnodegard | my friends are easier to fool... at school with their lappys, when they run out i just prntscrn, put it in paint, flips 180 degrees, view fulslcreen and pull out the usb mouse | 16:18 |
| Navi | :P | 16:18 |
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| Navi | It's an internal joke I like to keep | 16:19 |
| Navi | "I thought you said that Linux doesn't get BSoDs :(" | 16:19 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 16:19 |
| Cptnodegard | make it purple next time and tell them "i told you, no blue screen of death" | 16:20 |
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| Navi | lol | 16:20 |
| nomis | KhaledHosny: that doesn't sound good. | 16:20 |
| maemo | ooops sorry, wrong room | 16:20 |
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| aquatix | ... | 16:20 |
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| Cptnodegard | o0 | 16:21 |
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| Cptnodegard | stll the wrong room | 16:21 |
| maemo | ok, i did that to see - i really thought someone would have registered maemo | 16:21 |
| Cptnodegard | nah most people in here have better imagination than that | 16:22 |
| maemo | but if i leave the room, does that mean you lot are left in # channel | 16:22 |
| Cptnodegard | yes, if you leave we all just diappear | 16:23 |
| maemo | thats much better than flipping mouse buttons and stuff ;) | 16:23 |
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| KhaledHosny | nomis: I'm not sure what I should do now, is there a way I can debug this? | 16:24 |
| maemo | KhaledHosny: did you buy your device from new? | 16:24 |
| nomis | KhaledHosny: I have no idea. If reflashing the device does not help I am out of ideas. | 16:24 |
| AStorm | hey, is it possible to have multiple initfses on N? | 16:25 |
| johnx | if reflashing does not work it points heavily towards some type of hardware problem | 16:25 |
| KhaledHosny | maemo: yup, through the developer program | 16:25 |
| johnx | have you charged the battery all the way? | 16:25 |
| KhaledHosny | nomis: thanks anyway | 16:25 |
| maemo | KhaledHosny: did it work correctly until very recently? | 16:26 |
| KhaledHosny | maemo: I just got it, it worked for only less than a minute | 16:26 |
| maemo | take the battery out for a while. put it back in, leave it off but charging up for a few hours | 16:27 |
| maemo | dont try flashing until after the battery is fully charged | 16:27 |
| KhaledHosny | before reflashing, I was able to boot it few times, but it reboots quickely | 16:27 |
| maemo | tbh it sounds like a flat battery | 16:28 |
| KhaledHosny | I'll try this | 16:28 |
| maemo | if you still cannot do anything with it after a proper charge | 16:28 |
| maemo | then start to look again and maybe consider getting an RMA | 16:29 |
| johnx | seconded | 16:29 |
| * Navi yawns | 16:30 | |
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| RST38h | Anybody remembers a command line utility name to deal with shm blocks? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Listing, deleting, etc, | 16:30 |
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| KhaledHosny | lets hope this will solve it, as returning it will be a big problem | 16:31 |
| AStorm | inz: could you post the .config somewhere? | 16:32 |
| maemo | KhaledHosny: with any new device its wise to fully charge the battery before hand and read the getting started whilst doing it :) i hope it solves your problem | 16:33 |
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| KhaledHosny | maemo: I thought I fully charged it, but since I can't read the "getting started" manual (there wasn't an english one, why I ordered it in finland!) I feel lost | 16:36 |
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| * maemo ordered himself direct from nokia in the uk | 16:37 | |
| maemo | when you were charging it, did it display on the screen that it was charging? or did it just stay blank and off? | 16:38 |
| Jaffa | 'maemo' is an awfully confusing nick | 16:38 |
| AStorm | hmm, is the wifi in N8x0 a Prism54? | 16:39 |
| johnx | nope | 16:39 |
| KhaledHosny | I see the charging indicator on the screen | 16:39 |
| johnx | it's a cx3110x IIRC | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | KhaledHosny: Did you flash your device with the latest firmware yet? | 16:39 |
| AStorm | johnx: that's a wrapper | 16:39 |
| AStorm | the trick is that it loads Prism54 firmware according to the log | 16:40 |
| KhaledHosny | X-Fade: I did | 16:40 |
| AStorm | some weird scheme | 16:40 |
| johnx | well that's interesting O_o | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | KhaledHosny: Nobody with a similar battery near you? So you can test? | 16:40 |
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| jaffas_hildon_de | damn | 16:41 |
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| hildon_desktop | any better? | 16:41 |
| AStorm | blah | 16:41 |
| AStorm | why not just jaffas? | 16:41 |
| hildon_desktop | cos the nick was clipped | 16:41 |
| hildon_desktop | otherwise i would have rotated him 180degress | 16:42 |
| AStorm | hmm | 16:42 |
| KhaledHosny | X-Fade: I don't think so, but I'll look | 16:42 |
| AStorm | what's the touchscreen used by N$ | 16:42 |
| AStorm | N? | 16:42 |
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| johnx | heh | 16:43 |
| Navi | :| | 16:43 |
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| AStorm | and which Taos sensor is in N810? | 16:46 |
| inz | AStorm, erm, I used make nokia_2420_defconfig | 16:47 |
| AStorm | 2550 or 2563 | 16:47 |
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| AStorm | inz: gimme | 16:47 |
| johnx | it comes with the nokia kernel source, IIRC | 16:47 |
| johnx | doesn't it? | 16:48 |
| inz | AStorm, http://inz.fi/nokia_2420_defconfig | 16:48 |
| inz | johnx, yes it does | 16:48 |
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| n008 | does anyone know if the sdict wikipedia is mirorred anywhere other than the sdviewer site? | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | It's ipcs! | 17:04 |
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| hendry | if i can't see my package via the Application Manager... can I assume it's because it isn't signed? | 17:11 |
| johnx | unsigned packages show up | 17:11 |
| aquatix | hendry: i guess you updated the list? | 17:12 |
| johnx | only packages with "Section: user/*" show up in app manager | 17:12 |
| hendry | johnx: ah the section | 17:12 |
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| johnx | * being any arbitrary string | 17:12 |
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| * hendry wonders if a Debian package have more than one section | 17:13 | |
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| hendry | I get a "software contains updates from a different source" error message trying to update my package | 17:21 |
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| RST38h | remove it completely and reinstall | 17:21 |
| RST38h | you probably installed some of its parts from a different repository a while ago | 17:21 |
| johnx | it happens if you installed package "foo" from repo "a" and an update is available from repo "b" | 17:21 |
| n008 | what is RMA? | 17:22 |
| hendry | RST38h: you're right :) | 17:22 |
| lardman | hendry: I've been getting that too | 17:22 |
| RST38h | RMA - process of returning a defective item back to the manufacturer | 17:22 |
| n008 | ah thanks | 17:23 |
| hendry | lardman: removed my previous package | 17:23 |
| lardman | For me it appears with the map application | 17:23 |
| lardman | I can't really see why it would happen | 17:23 |
| aquatix | lardman: remove the map app and reinstall | 17:23 |
| aquatix | known issue | 17:23 |
| aquatix | the repository changed i think | 17:23 |
| lardman | ah, I see | 17:24 |
| aquatix | works fine now here :) | 17:24 |
| hendry | anyone know about "rep2"? http://kimitakeblog.net/item/591/catid/24 | 17:26 |
| Khertan | rah ::!!!!! IDLE on windows is a calamity | 17:26 |
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| lardman | The other thing that appears to have happened is that lots of packages are now dependencies of Octave and Gnuplot. I'm not quite sure what I did to screw their control files up to make that happen | 17:30 |
| kulve | etrunko: ping? | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | Is there a port of Octave for ITT? | 17:32 |
| lardman | of course | 17:33 |
| lardman | it's just a recompile | 17:33 |
| lardman | not much porting needed really :) | 17:34 |
| wom- | a bit off the topic but: any idea why i lost hdb, hdc and hdd when I upgraded to ubuntu. Bios sees disks but ubuntu says they dont exist. fdisk -l doesnt list them | 17:34 |
| wom- | everything worked just fine before upgrade :) | 17:35 |
| johnx | are they now treated as sda(a-d) ? | 17:35 |
| wom- | well i have mixture of ide and sda disks | 17:35 |
| wom- | ide disks are missing | 17:35 |
| wom- | sda works fine | 17:36 |
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| wom- | but | 17:36 |
| wom- | you are actuallu right | 17:36 |
| wom- | if i now look very very carefully, I see sdc :D | 17:36 |
| wom- | thanks mate :) | 17:36 |
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| lardman | RST38h: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/OE_feed/ | 17:37 |
| lardman | RST38h: not a proper feed though I'm afraid as there's no Packages file | 17:38 |
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| lardman | ssvb: how's your workload atm? | 17:39 |
| Atarii | have the forums gone down? | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, looks like it for me | 17:41 |
| qwerty12 | Very slow. | 17:41 |
| Atarii | yea, | 17:41 |
| Atarii | how do i add custom places to the filemanager? For example, i want to add / | 17:42 |
| Atarii | i did it a while back but cant remember how | 17:42 |
| Navi | symlink it for total hax | 17:42 |
| lardman | Atarii: but be careful of the crawler getting itself stuck | 17:43 |
| ssvb | lardman: it's more or less fine now | 17:43 |
| Atarii | ah yes, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs | 17:44 |
| Atarii | is that correct, or the wrong filemanager location? | 17:44 |
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| Atarii | woot, ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/root :D | 17:46 |
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| lardman | ssvb: great; sorry I didn't send you my part done colourspace/scaling code, I had food poisoning just before I left for my hols and wasn't really to fussed to do anything | 17:50 |
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| aquatix | Atarii: i think there might be a file describing the `places' it should show too | 17:51 |
| lardman | ssvb: I was just going to ask whether you can think of any reasonably simple test harness code I can use to check that the DSP code is working, before plumbing it into mplayer? | 17:51 |
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| lardman | ssvb: perhaps a better question is how can I easily generate a variety of different pixel format images to send to it to see if it works? | 17:53 |
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| AStorm | it seems Tahvo has an USB transceiver | 17:54 |
| AStorm | isn't used by Nokia though | 17:54 |
| lardman | AStorm: where's that info from? | 17:55 |
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| ssvb | lardman: I think mplayer should have an option to produce raw YUV images as output | 17:55 |
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| lardman | to file you mean? So then I can just send them over | 17:55 |
| AStorm | lardman: the linux-omap kernel | 17:57 |
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| ssvb | lardman: yes, but you can also try rgb images first | 17:57 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I know rgb works, well single colour ones anyway, but I'll have to check the position and scaling as that's not tested yet | 17:59 |
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| lopz | hola | 18:00 |
| lardman | ssvb: I'll have a play around with that then over the weekend and let you know how i get on | 18:00 |
| ssvb | lardman: ok | 18:01 |
| lardman | my scaling code will be rubbish, if I even bother in the first instance. derf - problem with using MATLAB to do it for you ;) | 18:02 |
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| AStorm | ok, I'll need gcc-4 on the tablet :P | 18:08 |
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| keesj | AStorm: install mamona :p | 18:10 |
| birunko | =P | 18:10 |
| AStorm | keesj: yeah sure | 18:10 |
| AStorm | hmmmm | 18:11 |
| derf | lardman: :) | 18:11 |
| johnx | build-essential? | 18:11 |
| AStorm | bt isn't buildign in latestg linux-omap :P | 18:11 |
| AStorm | some missing or renamed constant | 18:12 |
| Khertan | bye | 18:12 |
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| AStorm | ok, I know now :P | 18:18 |
| AStorm | an API change no one bothered to fix :P | 18:18 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi again | 18:29 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | I m tired of design nice gui under glade and see it transform by this stupid hildon theme | 18:30 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | how can i make a gtktreeview with different color on line | 18:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | one bluelight, one blank, then | 18:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | one bluelight, one blank, then | 18:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and ... | 18:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ? | 18:31 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | in french it s 'pyjama list' | 18:32 |
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| AStorm | Khertan_on_n810: you don't | 18:37 |
| AStorm | this should be governed by theme | 18:37 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s stupid | 18:37 |
| AStorm | you can hack it, but please don't | 18:37 |
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| Atarii | is there a way to get rid of that stupid notice which says "this software is not by Nokia, are you sure you want to install it"? | 18:38 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | if i place a separator for example there is a reason | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | Atarii: someone rebuilt Application Manager without it | 18:38 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but it s not displayed ... | 18:38 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s like the margin in an hildon windows | 18:38 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s a so large screen that we can waste space ! | 18:39 |
| Atarii | leetmode thanks Jaffa | 18:39 |
| AStorm | ok, the kernel is built :) | 18:44 |
| AStorm | now, need btrfs and wifi :) | 18:44 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | AStorm > do u now where i can find information about hack this theme prefs | 18:44 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ve already found for image in stovk-button | 18:44 |
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| lardman | 3 cheers for X-Fade and the autobuilder | 18:45 |
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| AStorm | with FBCON enabled, I should be able to see messages :) | 18:49 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, I had FBCON enabled and I would get black screen and then reverted back to nokia logo. | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | You need fanoush's tools. | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Those work, I now get FB output from my OS2008 on boot and shutdown. | 18:50 |
| AStorm | I have these | 18:51 |
| AStorm | :P | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | You don't need it enabled in Kernel then :p | 18:51 |
| AStorm | but then, you can also disable manual update | 18:51 |
| AStorm | of the screen | 18:51 |
| AStorm | then it should "just work" | 18:52 |
| keesj | Jaffa: nice essay on maemopeople :p | 18:52 |
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| lardman | ~lart mplayer man page for being too long | 18:52 |
| * infobot decapitates mplayer man page conan the destroyer style for being too long | 18:52 | |
| qwerty12 | True. I think my kernel is set to manual. Auto in kernel never worked for me so why keep it enabled. I keep kernel at auto and fanoush's fb_update_mode sets it into manual. | 18:52 |
| ||cw | lardman: try the smb.conf man page sometime | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | It is long. | 18:53 |
| * qwerty12 blinks. | 18:53 | |
| AStorm | ~lart closed wifi drivers | 18:54 |
| * infobot --purges closed wifi drivers | 18:54 | |
| AStorm | no! | 18:54 |
| AStorm | ~lart closed wifi drivers | 18:54 |
| lardman | well too long for a Friday afternoon at least :) | 18:54 |
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| AStorm | ~lart closed wifi drivers | 18:55 |
| * infobot slaps a compatible dib on closed wifi drivers's head | 18:55 | |
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| AStorm | infobot: you don't know plural, do ya? | 18:56 |
| AStorm | ok, how can I backup currently installed kernel? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, is it stock kernel or own custom compiled kernel already installed? | 18:57 |
| AStorm | stock | 18:58 |
| AStorm | but I want to know anyway | 18:58 |
| AStorm | the new one is 2.6.25-omap1 | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | No idea. I'd just say to extract it from nokia bin image with flasher-3.0 but you want to know anyway. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe cat /dev/mtd2 to a file. I don't think it would be flashable by anything though :/ | 18:59 |
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| AStorm | hmmh | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | See if you can reverse fanoush's kernel flasher script. | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Sigh, maemo application catalog seems to be down. | 19:01 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: What's up? | 19:02 |
| X-Fade | It works for me? | 19:02 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade, it works now :). I had midgard error a min ago. | 19:02 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Hehe, I know ;) I was reloading something.. | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | ahh :) | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | Can have been there for more than 20 secs ;) | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | And still you got it. | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | The chances of that :/ | 19:04 |
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| Atarii | qwerty12 to install your applciation manager (without the annoying Nokia message) do i use dpkg --install ? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, that's what I did | 19:06 |
| Atarii | k thanks | 19:06 |
| Atarii | now tryin it | 19:06 |
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| skibur | Net Neutrality at steak? | 19:09 |
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| ||cw | ah, steaks as bribes... | 19:10 |
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| skibur | lol | 19:10 |
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| skibur | I'm creating an Open Source Internet. Wanna Join? | 19:13 |
| skibur | Just wire up your state/country and we will connect them together | 19:14 |
| skibur | lol | 19:14 |
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| ||cw | skibur: I have some bailing wire I can connect MO to IL with | 19:16 |
| skibur | lol | 19:16 |
| ||cw | the river might be a problem though | 19:16 |
| skibur | yeah | 19:16 |
| skibur | I got a Linusys Router? | 19:16 |
| skibur | :D | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | Yay, 930 of 1722 packages downloaded! AT 74.8 KB/S :O | 19:17 |
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| Atarii | time to reflash :( | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, how come? | 19:18 |
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| Atarii | a. i think i messed up trying to customise the boot images | 19:19 |
| ||cw | no, but I got an old B access point | 19:19 |
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| Atarii | b. the application manager installed fine but gets stuck trying to install stuff. Im guessin its not meant for 2008h | 19:19 |
| Atarii | 2008he* | 19:19 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 19:20 |
| AStorm | is n810 SD reader high speed already? | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, Hmm, have you tried clicking the link for the original app manager | 19:21 |
| Atarii | too late, needed a clean flash anyways | 19:21 |
| Atarii | plus im used to flashing devices, i flashed my Samsung phone 6 times last night :S | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, you won't believe the amount of times I've flashed my W810 :p | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | Battery cover is loose now | 19:22 |
| AStorm | poor devices | 19:22 |
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| Atarii | lol, same here, the slider is so loose now | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I applied some dodgy patches to mine as well. Reboots from time to time lol | 19:23 |
| Atarii | phew panic over, thought id WSOD then | 19:24 |
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| Atarii | yea same, the Samsung modding scene is Russian based, so google translate is the only way i can see what the patches i apply to my phone actually do :S | 19:25 |
| johnx | heh...I remember flashing a region free firmware to my brand new DVD-ROM drive back in the day | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Atarii, Same here :). Although the Russians take time to translate descriptions into English and if not, I have a Russian friend on MSN :p | 19:26 |
| johnx | it was from a Russian site, didn't even know for sure if it was for the right device O_o | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, I remember doing that to my drive lol | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Now with my new HP, a simple tool sets it | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | No firmware flashing necessary. | 19:26 |
| johnx | now Linux doesn't even pay attention to the region setting I think | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | I prefer Windows DVD players but tbh, I don't watch DVD's much. *cough cough* | 19:27 |
| Atarii | lol | 19:28 |
| dneary | Hi | 19:28 |
| dneary | Anyone solved the snail's shell NP level? | 19:28 |
| johnx | vlc works just fine in Linux with menus and everything. but yeah, not many physical DVDs here these days... | 19:28 |
| * johnx sleeps | 19:29 | |
| Navi | Nagojgtuas' | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | dsdsfdsfds' | 19:29 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | it s seems there is a bug in libglade ... with pack_start and pack_end | 19:41 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | result aren't the the as in glade | 19:41 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | example : | 19:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | button1 - button2 - button3 | 19:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | with position 4 - 3 - 2 | 19:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | and pack_end should be display : | 19:42 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | button1 - button2 - button3 | 19:43 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but are displayed : | 19:43 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | button2 - button1 - button3 | 19:43 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | and it s well displayed in glade on my nit | 19:43 |
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| AStorm | damn | 19:47 |
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| AStorm | can't build cx3110x for 2.6.25 | 19:47 |
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| AStorm | needs porting :P | 19:47 |
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| Cptnodegard | anyone have any good ebook source (non drm) except #bookz? | 19:48 |
| freelikegnu | project gutenberg perhaps? | 19:49 |
| freelikegnu | ;-) | 19:49 |
| johnx | tor.com is giving away some free ebooks as a promotion | 19:49 |
| Cptnodegard | without drm, johnx? | 19:50 |
| Cptnodegard | meaning it compatible | 19:50 |
| johnx | without DRM yes | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | baen.com also has a shitton of free stuff | 19:50 |
| johnx | PDF, HTML and Mobi formats | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | and their paid stuff is non-drm | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard, http://e2ma.net/go/948937814/838558/30376561/goto:http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/tor.com/ScalziOMWHTML/Scalzi,%20John%20-%20Old%20Mans%20War.html | 19:51 |
| derf | The web is _filled_ with free e-books. Use Google. | 19:51 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 19:51 |
| Cptnodegard | im looking for a specific one :/ | 19:52 |
| AStorm | it seems that the chip is standard Prism54 | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, ipmart-forum *cough cough* | 19:52 |
| AStorm | according to the driver | 19:52 |
| AStorm | we just don't have the firmware, but it should be exctractable from umac.ko | 19:52 |
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| AStorm | maybe FreeMAC would work | 19:53 |
| AStorm | the wifi chip is an ARM itself | 19:53 |
| freelikegnu | hehe from the free Tor books offer: "*NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. Void where prohibited." Where are DRM-free book giveaways prohibited? | 19:53 |
| AStorm | if I'm lucky, I'll be able to grab the firmware off umac.ko and just run with prism54 driver | 19:54 |
| johnx | sounds very cool. I'll head to bed now, but make sure you poke at me on here or itt if you make any progress (or even if you don't) | 19:55 |
| johnx | good luck | 19:55 |
| AStorm | hmm | 19:56 |
| Navi | good night, foo | 19:56 |
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| AStorm | there's no PCI in here, so the comm must take part over I2C | 19:57 |
| AStorm | or some gpios | 19:58 |
| AStorm | I wonder why the ddumb Conexant won't just open the UMAC :P | 19:59 |
| AStorm | and provide closed firmware | 19:59 |
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| freelikegnu | it would allow ter'rists and rogue nations access to vital sekrit j00ky that could threatne the nations freedom loving citizens | 20:00 |
| freelikegnu | cant have freedom without the lack of freedom | 20:01 |
| AStorm | hehe, no | 20:01 |
| AStorm | umac has been rev-enged since | 20:02 |
| AStorm | both PCI and USB part | 20:02 |
| AStorm | hopefully I only need to extract the firmware | 20:02 |
| AStorm | but, IMO, this one sits on I2C bus or some GPIO | 20:03 |
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| freelikegnu | hmm if I boot off internal SD card, would it be bad to remove the back cover while the n800 is on? | 20:06 |
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| freelikegnu | or will something keep the card from getting unmounted? | 20:06 |
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| MangoFusion | it will always be busy | 20:07 |
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| AStorm | freelikegnu: you won't be able to mount it over the net afaicr | 20:09 |
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| freelikegnu | hmm, fuse sshfs should work, no? | 20:10 |
| AStorm | is there some tool with which I could prod I2C bus? | 20:11 |
| kulve | prod? | 20:11 |
| AStorm | freelikegnu: sure, because it doesn't try to mount the actual fs | 20:11 |
| AStorm | kulve: enumerate devices | 20:11 |
| AStorm | and read their boilerpltes | 20:11 |
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| AStorm | nah, I2C is too slow for full speed wifi | 20:14 |
| AStorm | can Nxxx do full speed wifi? 11Mbit? | 20:14 |
| kulve | it can do something like 700/800kt/s, so quite close to 11Mbps | 20:15 |
| AStorm | mhm | 20:15 |
| kulve | with scp, so I don't know if the cpu is the bottleneck then.. | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's g | 20:15 |
| AStorm | so I2C it can't be | 20:15 |
| elb | 800kBps is much faster than 11mbps wifi can go | 20:16 |
| elb | 100Mbps Ethernet only gets about 800kBps tcp transfers, and 11Mbps wifi is only 5.5Mbps in each direction | 20:17 |
| elb | so ... | 20:17 |
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| elb | you're getting 802.11g speeds there :-) | 20:17 |
| AStorm | and the wifi isn't connected to usb either | 20:17 |
| kulve | elb: 100M network can transfer >10000 kilobytes/s | 20:18 |
| ||cw | elb: uh, 100Mbps can easily get 9MB/s | 20:18 |
| elb | oops, I typo'd | 20:19 |
| elb | I meant 10Mbps Ethernet | 20:19 |
| elb | (which is a much more appropriate comparison to 11Mbps wifi) | 20:19 |
| elb | though, in reality, 11Mbps wifi compares quite poorly to 10Mbps Ethernet | 20:19 |
| AStorm | argh, it's over some SPI | 20:19 |
| ||cw | yeah, B wifi is more like 400KB/s | 20:19 |
| elb | not only is it barely over half the rate, there are a lot of timing issues with wireless that are poor for TCP throughput | 20:20 |
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| AStorm | hmm, ok, now I need a softmac driver that builds under 2.6.25 | 20:23 |
| AStorm | and port cx3110x to it | 20:23 |
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| freelikegnu | thats exciting | 20:25 |
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| freelikegnu | it will be great to have a true debian with recent kernel in the n8** | 20:27 |
| RST38h | \ | 20:28 |
| freelikegnu | / | 20:28 |
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| eathprod | seems like i cant get in touch with my mmc from my Fedora8 with usb cable, i just tried with my nokia n73 and that worked, could it be som fedora update or are there reported similar bugs? | 20:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just use sftp? :P | 20:29 |
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| AStorm | ok, porting won't be as hard as I thought | 20:30 |
| AStorm | the kernel prism54 driver is very similar | 20:30 |
| Navi | woo | 20:31 |
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| AStorm | now we know why wifi is so bad at N | 20:35 |
| AStorm | they use SA_INTERRUPT all over the place on irqs | 20:35 |
| AStorm | :P | 20:35 |
| AStorm | in effect this is a STI | 20:36 |
| AStorm | a critical section | 20:36 |
| keesj | AStorm: wokring on free wifi driver? | 20:37 |
| AStorm | on cx3110x to build | 20:37 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: that sort of response is a pretty annoying non-answer :-P | 20:37 |
| AStorm | for starters, with new kernel | 20:37 |
| elb | eathprod: when you plug the tablet in, does the fedora box log the detection of a usb mass storage device? | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a good one, so I figured I'd recommend a good alternative. | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, meh. | 20:38 |
| elb | eathprod: (you can run 'dmesg' to check) | 20:38 |
| AStorm | haha, SA_INTGERRUPT is now IRQF_DISABLED | 20:38 |
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| AStorm | so, I can just turn that into 0 | 20:38 |
| AStorm | thanks to lxr :D | 20:39 |
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| AStorm | or, no | 20:39 |
| AStorm | nah, I have to set the flag | 20:39 |
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| AStorm | or things might break | 20:40 |
| AStorm | still, it is a critical section, bqad for latenc | 20:40 |
| eathprod | got a line with: usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 | 20:40 |
| elb | eathprod: dose that happen every time you plug it in? | 20:40 |
| elb | can you try a different USB port? | 20:41 |
| eathprod | i have tried another usb port, happens the same, worked 2 days ago | 20:42 |
| eathprod | the whole on pastebin http://www.pastebin.ca/997516 | 20:43 |
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| AStorm | I'll just axe that flag and see what goes | 20:44 |
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| AStorm | no STI, but it shouldn't break anything | 20:45 |
| AStorm | the flag was molst likely misused anyway | 20:45 |
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| AStorm | yay, it built | 20:46 |
| AStorm | I wonder if it'll load that umac | 20:46 |
| AStorm | diff. kernel and gcc version, hmm | 20:47 |
| AStorm | it needs more porting due to skb changes :) | 20:49 |
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| AStorm | actually, the conexant guzs are breaking the GPL | 20:54 |
| AStorm | the umac is not firmware | 20:54 |
| AStorm | yet cx3110x is set as GPL | 20:55 |
| AStorm | but it calls non-GPL umac | 20:55 |
| AStorm | even, links against it | 20:55 |
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| AStorm | theoretically, people could sue the hell out of them, make them provide a real driver | 20:57 |
| Atarii | /ignore AStorm | 20:57 |
| AStorm | any other traffic in here? | 20:57 |
| AStorm | :P | 20:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He's got a thing again monologuing I guess. :P | 20:58 |
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| AStorm | blah | 20:59 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | Did everbody see the newest maemo community guy for the documentation department? | 21:01 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Give a shout out here ;) | 21:01 |
| X-Fade | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/04/25/hello-planet-maemo/ | 21:02 |
| AStorm | someone should make conexant lawyers realize the truth: no one would want to steal their crummy device design | 21:03 |
| AStorm | and it's been reverse engineered already | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, dneary! http://andrew.olmsted.ca/screens/nautilus.png and use the escape key on the front face on the N810. ;) | 21:03 |
| Atarii | ok so sounds plays fine for me in 2008he :S | 21:04 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: You know that is not the only reason. They don't want you to play with the regulated hardware settings. Like power and perhaps also frequency. | 21:04 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 21:04 |
| AStorm | and they're too cheap to enforce these in the hw part of the firmware? | 21:05 |
| AStorm | please... | 21:05 |
| AStorm | LMAC should be enforcing these | 21:05 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: Just like those crappy winmodems ;) | 21:05 |
| AStorm | they're afraid someone will steal their ARM chip? lol | 21:06 |
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| AStorm | there's nothing worth stealing | 21:06 |
| AStorm | Intel has better devices already | 21:07 |
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| AStorm | ahha | 21:08 |
| AStorm | I see OE guys have an objcopy hack | 21:09 |
| AStorm | to make umac.ko work | 21:09 |
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| AStorm | they copy the functions off the binary umac into a stub | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | Power/Frequency settings are actually dangerous to tweak | 21:19 |
| RST38h | You *can* damage your CPU with them | 21:19 |
| Navi | Get your Apple i now: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1811646 | 21:20 |
| RST38h | So, normally, a manufacturer will have a function call like SetPowerProfile(enum PowerProfile) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | And expose this call and a bunch of different profiles to the developers | 21:20 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Thanks! | 21:21 |
| dneary | I was getting very close on the level, wasn't quite using the wedge you did | 21:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thank fiferboy from ITT for that solution. I actually used another mini catapult. I think I got a bit lucky. :D | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | Heh, yeah I am kind of stuck in that level too. You have to find methods to lift/throw stuff. | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | Which is very cool ;) | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Building catapults and trebuchets is damn fun work. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | How do you beat the level with two pendulums shielding the ball from both sides? | 21:27 |
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| Navi | I used a lever to open it | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | I used a bunch of small balls to push it out. | 21:28 |
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| X-Fade | And a lever to open up. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I attached a long line with a heavy ball on the end to the end of the right door | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | draw the ball up high and it'll pull open the door as it falls. | 21:30 |
| Atarii | what game is that? | 21:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Numptyphysics | 21:30 |
| Atarii | aha | 21:31 |
| * Atarii installs... | 21:31 | |
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| RST38h | aha | 21:32 |
| X-Fade | Atarii: There goes your spare time ;) | 21:32 |
| Atarii | dammit, no revision for me :p | 21:32 |
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| AStorm | dammit | 21:34 |
| AStorm | my crosscompiler is wrong eabi :P | 21:34 |
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| Atarii | numpty physics doesnt work with 2008he phew! | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | See ITT | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have a thread | 22:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure somebody compiled it. | 22:28 |
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| * AStorm is building arm-none-eabi toolchain | 22:28 | |
| Atarii | dont tell me that! | 22:28 |
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| Atarii | anyone know why it doesnt recognise when i plug the usb cable into the device? its connect to the computer | 22:36 |
| Atarii | it sometimes recognises it, and doesnt other times | 22:36 |
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| tsukasa | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=hardy_power&num=2 | 22:50 |
| tsukasa | w00t | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | running vista on 8core server? | 22:52 |
| AStorm | funny | 22:52 |
| AStorm | I'm unable to build a kernel with vfp support and -mcpu=arm1136jf-s | 22:52 |
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| KotCzarny | build without | 22:53 |
| AStorm | bitches about unsupported asm instruction | 22:53 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: no, it should work! | 22:53 |
| AStorm | vfp code is faster than not too | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | that's up to benchmarks, not intuition | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:54 |
| AStorm | ... someone did test it | 22:54 |
| AStorm | google! | 22:54 |
| AStorm | but I need kernel support | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | for you it should compile/run first | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N800 | AStorm: Know any asm? :p. I wanted to learn tto creat some code that would go in firmware of my w810 but I couldn't be arsed :p | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | then you can start optimizing | 22:54 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12_N800: some asm is not enough | 22:55 |
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| AStorm | I'd need docs and copious time | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :(. Hope you succeed with this, be a great achievement imho. | 22:56 |
| AStorm | ok, gcc 4.2.3 -mcpu is buggy | 22:56 |
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| KotCzarny | or monetary motivation | 22:56 |
| AStorm | :P | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:56 |
| AStorm | now, -march + -mcpu is ok | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you use march you don't have to use mcpu | 22:56 |
| AStorm | for some reason it tells me that arm1136jf-s is not armv6 | 22:56 |
| AStorm | :P | 22:56 |
| AStorm | what a load :P | 22:57 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone know if language changer on hildon small virtual keyboard is part of layout file or part of hildon-im-plugin? | 22:58 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Anyone? :(. I want my caps lock back and the "En" bringing up the settings really pees me off because of the delay and I only have 1 language set. | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:01 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, feelin any better yet - im slowly dying here | 23:01 |
| lcuk | tho i made it throu the nite :) | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, yeah, i was mostly sleeping for the last night/day | 23:02 |
| lcuk | same here - slept longer today than i have done in months | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | and woke up wet | 23:03 |
| Atarii | man this numpty physics game is awesome | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hope you both get better. I had the flu last month and I really felt like sawing my nose off >.> | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | at least my eyes don't hurt as yesterday | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: it's not flu, i think | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | my nose isn't afected | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | *affected | 23:04 |
| lcuk | mine is getting to my throat more than anywhere - i can breath slow enough for normal use, but when i cough its like im cheqing on a chainsaw | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | #disease | 23:04 |
| lcuk | eyes did hurt actually whenever i looked around | 23:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :(. I thought you had flu from the quick snippets I read. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | ahhh GeneralAntilles its ok we arent contaigious in public chat | 23:04 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, i haven't been to the doctor | 23:04 |
| lcuk | BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE EMAILS | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | so it can be anything | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | and for the ftp too | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:05 |
| flo_lap | Maybe i should leave to avoid getting this too ;) | 23:05 |
| lcuk | lol flo - hopefully i will be cured by next month ;0 | 23:05 |
| lcuk | +shiftkey | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | flo_lap: Long wait... :p | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | offtopic q: on my windows machine i have wired internet and a wireless card. i run the wireless in adhoc mode. what can i use to list the mac addresses of things on the wireless side (google is shit) | 23:06 |
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| KotCzarny | nmap ? | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | then arp print | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 23:07 |
| lcuk | but i thought nmap was a hackers' tool | 23:08 |
| * lcuk doesnt wanna get arrested | 23:08 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | I ran it in school once... | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It fine on a network u run | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | then just run with -p 80 arg | 23:08 |
| Atarii | lcuk are you from germany? | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/It/it's/ | 23:08 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: it's fine on a network u run | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | no atarii im in england :P | 23:09 |
| Atarii | well then nmap is fine | 23:09 |
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| Atarii | you can also use netstumbler | 23:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's a "security penetration" tool. Supposidly (spelling) for admins to test their own networks... | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | 'supposedly' | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i am inside. i just want to list whats looking through my window | 23:10 |
| lcuk | thx though its downloading | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Don't go near the bushes... | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | lions be ther ? | 23:11 |
| jaska | no... georges be there | 23:11 |
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| Ziriuz | Hi all! | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | - all: No such nick/channel | 23:48 |
| lardman | AStorm: did anyone reply to suggest why you can't build a kernel using arm1136jf-s ? | 23:48 |
| Ziriuz | I have a question: I have installed right now the new hacker edition for my Nokia 770. It's possible to use xterm? I ca install the one for OS2007 or OS2006 or i must search for OS 2008? OS2008 is compatible with apps developed for previous OS? | 23:50 |
| lardman | AStorm: qemu doesn't support the -mcup=arm1136jf-s instruction set due to some odd ARM patent thing iirc | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | argh. patents :/ | 23:50 |
| lardman | AStorm: so if any intermediate binaries are compiled and need to be run, the build will fail | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ziriuz, OS2008 is bundled with xterm. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 you'll need to grab a bora xterm package | 23:51 |
| RST38h | "NASA officials have voiced their approval of how Russia handled the crisis. They expect to rely heavily on Soyuz spacecraft once the shuttles are retired in 2010." | 23:51 |
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| * RST38h imagines some US senators shitting bricks and giggles | 23:52 | |
| lardman | AStorm: I should also add that afaik the kernel doesn't use floating point, so compiling with vfp support is pointless | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | i have always wondered | 23:52 |
| Ziriuz | Uhm, I installed the latest Hacker Version, it's signed as 2008 | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | to actually use some cpu specific intructions does kernel needs to know about them? | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then you already have xterm, Ziriuz. | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | or only gcc? | 23:53 |
| AStorm | lardman: wrong | 23:53 |
| AStorm | it has the setup code for vfp | 23:53 |
| AStorm | that was throwing the error | 23:53 |
| Ziriuz | GeneralAntilles: I'm searching for it :S | 23:54 |
| lardman | AStorm: fair enough | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's right in the menu | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | under Utilities | 23:54 |
| Ziriuz | Uhm... I don't have it :S | 23:54 |
| AStorm | ok, so I need arm-none-linux-gnueabi toolchain | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You sure it's OS2008 | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's OS2007, then it's not bundled | 23:55 |
| AStorm | not arm-pc-linux-gnu | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you need to grab a copy for bora | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | tablet is a pc | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | not x86 but | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:56 |
| Ziriuz | GeneralAntilles: My Information: "Internet Tablet OS2007 hacker edition for the 770, Version: 4.2008.7-1 | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, we've confused the build year and the OS version. ;) | 23:56 |
| Ziriuz | If i connect to maemo.org it autoselect OS2008 :) | 23:56 |
| Ziriuz | ? | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 23:57 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: the gnueabi part is the most important | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 23:58 |
| Ziriuz | GeneralAntilles: does it means that it'is Chinook or that it's Bora? | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is Chinook | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is Bora | 23:59 |
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