IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-04-26

lardmanhmm, from reading ITT Mara says Nokia are working on a "fix" for the GPS00:00
lardmanI wonder what that might be00:00
GeneralAntillesVersion: 4.2008.7-1 = release week-build number00:00
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RST38hCan be any number of things00:00
towoI'd rather have a fix for the damn network drivers being stupid.00:00
lardman|tvRST38h: let's hope it's AGPS functionality or an API for us to do the job00:00
RST38hFrom a settings tweak on the chip to uploading almanac and other data00:00
ZiriuzSo mine it's OS2007, right?00:01
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RST38hThe datasheet on the chip says that it has two serial inputs - one for data, another one for position assistance00:01
RST38hThe AGPS serial line is supposed to be connected to the baseband chip in the phone. Of course, ITs do not have the baseband chip00:01
AStormwell, almanac upload would be nice00:01
GeneralAntilles[4:56pm] <Ziriuz> GeneralAntilles: My Information: "Internet Tablet OS2007 hacker edition for the 77000:02
AStormget appprox. time and location, then upload older almanac of that place00:02
RST38hSo the real question is: is that second serial line connected to anything in ITs and if not, whether it is possible to upload the same data using the main line00:02
ZiriuzGeneralAntilles: ok, thank you so much ;)00:02
lardman|tvI agree with AStorm, and the current position data must be stored somewhere when the chip is shut down00:02
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lcuklast known gps locaiton is stored in linuxfilesys somewhere i came across it once00:12
lcukerrr - infact its in the map i think00:12
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RST38hlcuk: There is no guarantee you *can* feed it to the chip =(00:38
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lardman|tvsomewhere under /var/lib/gps iirc00:45
lardman|tvthough the position isn't too important, it's the ephemeris data, etc., and what format it's saved in, etc.00:45
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AStormephemeris is valid at the same time in the same place00:49
AStormgive or take a few00:50
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lardmanAStorm: yes indeed, and if we can feed a given AGPS chipset valid ephemeris data, knowing the time & position, then is should help the lock time01:17
lardmanthat reads wrong. If we can feed a given N810 a set of ephemeris data knowing its position... etc.01:18
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AStormwe'd need to store the full daily data to almost guarantee an immediate fix :)01:25
AStormok, I've hacked cx3110x to build vs 2.6.2501:25
AStormw/ slub01:25
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AStormumac and mtum need some part of slab it seems01:26
KotCzarnywhoo hoo01:26
AStormI provided the missing table01:26
KotCzarnydoes it work too?01:26
AStormhave to check01:26
AStormbrb, moving irc fom n810 to laptop01:27
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lardmanAStorm: or calculate the required data....01:29
KotCzarnylardman: or get proper data from mesh network01:29
lardmanyeah, from the supl server01:29
lardmanbut the point is until we know the format, we can't do anything01:29
KotCzarnyis it encrypted?01:30
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lardmanwhat supl or the location data which is fed to the AGPS chip?01:30
lardmanI don;t know about the former (not much point in looking if there's nothing to do with it) and I can't imagine the latter is01:31
KotCzarnydata fed01:31
lardmannah, but probably in some chip-specific format01:32
KotCzarnyusing 11bit data is a good encryption ;)01:32
lardmanhave a read of this:
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KotCzarnyi hate copying links from aterm01:35
KotCzarnystupid firefox.01:35
KotCzarnycan you paste it again?01:35
KotCzarny(i can't join it)01:35
lardmansure, this is the first page01:35
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lardmanpg 5 is where it moves on from the leap year fix to talking about the format of nvd_data, etc.01:37
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AStormneed to redo the initfs too, put new modules on it01:41
KotCzarnyor run over usb?01:41
KotCzarnythis thread should be sticky01:43
KotCzarnyif it really does what people experience01:43
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AStormmy original kernel now can't see mmc cards ;P01:45
AStormI haven't flashed anything yet01:45
AStorma real nice wtf01:45
KotCzarnymaybe you forgot to enable it?01:46
AStormenable what?01:46
AStormit's the *original* kernel01:46
AStormjust rebooted01:46
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AStormkernel sees them01:46
AStormbut hal or udev doesn't01:47
AStormor dbus01:47
AStormthey're sent via USB01:51
Cptnodegardwhats that ebook reader called again?01:52
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Cptnodegarddoes it do html?01:52
KotCzarnybrowser does html01:52
AStormplain txt only01:52
johnxit reads html01:52
AStormbrowser isn't an ebook reader01:52
Cptnodegardthats gay01:52
KotCzarnyastorm: prove it01:52
AStormjohnx: really?01:52
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AStormmust've an older version01:53
johnxI've read like thousands of pages of html in fbreader over the years01:53
tank-manhtml in fbreader wasnt to my liking01:53
johnxit does squish the formatting a bit01:53
AStormok, now running initfs thingy01:53
KotCzarnyhtml is easy to parse anyway01:53
tank-mani think i had problems with links01:53
johnxI'd rather have that than horizontal scrolling though01:53
GeneralAntillesIt's been able to do html for a really long time.01:53
johnxyeah, I remember reading html in fbreader on a zaurus 5500 I think01:54
GeneralAntillesI've read some like 2 dozen books in html in FBReader.01:54
AStormjohnx: enable resizing in the browser then01:54
AStormit tends to avoid horizontal scrolling really well01:54
AStorminfobot: lame, no memory ;)01:54
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johnxat the cost of being painfully slow... Anyways, without bookmarking it makes a poor ebook reader01:55
KotCzarnyusing fixed pixels in html is just wrong01:55
johnx^what he said^01:55
KotCzarnyotherwise it should fit the window without problem01:55
AStormok, time to grab initfs_something01:55
Cptnodegardill test it and hope it works. finally got the ebook ive been searching for for ages01:55
AStormand kernel_flasher01:55
KotCzarnyjohnx: width=something01:55
AStormactually, to grab the kernel and initfs, not flash them01:55
CptnodegardFB read/F Breader :D01:56
AStormI don't trust fanoush' tools01:56
johnxfair enough, but they've never done me wrong01:56
AStormthey've made me reflash N with the official flasher already ;P01:56
KotCzarnyjohnx: you have mentioned 'horizontal scrolling'01:56
KotCzarnythe only way to html be wider than window is to use fixed widths01:57
KotCzarny(or large pics)01:57
johnxyes, and I *agreed* with you01:57
KotCzarnyi thought you were dissatisfied with horizontal scrolling? :)01:58
lardman'night chaps01:59
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GeneralAntillesfanoush's stuff has never ever let me down.01:59
GeneralAntillesHe's no chump.01:59
johnx'night lardman|gone01:59
KotCzarnyjohnx: he is too fast01:59
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AStormhmm, usb charger is much better than the lousy 750 mA thingy02:01
KotCzarnyyou mean usb port supplies more than 500mA02:02
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AStormmuch more02:02
AStormmore like 1A here02:02
KotCzarnypoor usb..02:02
AStormnah, laptop ;)02:02
KotCzarnyyou should add some current limiter02:02
AStormit's the official nokia USB charger02:02
AStormit slowly increases current after negotiating 500mA02:02
AStormsmart thing02:03
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AStormthen it backs off if it sees a voltage drop, albeit small02:03
AStormor if the requirements are met ;P02:03
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AStormadditionally, it's small02:04
AStormbut it has a very short cable02:05
AStormbout 15 cm02:05
KotCzarnycan be good and bad02:06
AStormusually bad ;)02:06
AStormunless you like to carry an usb A extension cable02:06
AStormok, time to redo the initfs02:06
AStormthen, rock and roll02:06
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Cptnodegardthe text is bloody big02:07
Cptnodegardim not blind02:07
GeneralAntillesWhat text?02:07
johnxthis is incredible progress AStorm. Wish I could stay around and see how you do, but I'm off to work. :)02:08
Cptnodegardfbreader...there has to be an option to reduce the text someplace02:08
Cptnodegardreduce it like...75%02:08
KotCzarnyyou can02:08
KotCzarnyjust set the font size02:08
WorkingOnWisehas anyone used Dasher in the N800/810?02:08
Cptnodegardwhere do i set the font?02:09
AStormWorkingOnWise: that's another project of mine :>02:09
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AStormit's said to work, but slow02:09
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GeneralAntillesCptnodegard, check the prefs. . . .02:09
AStormalso, new dasher has broken direct input mode, which makes it pointless02:09
GeneralAntillesThere's options for everything.02:09
lcuk"Size" ;)02:09
KotCzarnymaybe he is blind from reading small text02:10
AStormWorkingOnWise: I patched the hell out of older dashers to make them work02:10
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* Cptnodegard feels stupid, blames hidden tabs :P02:10
AStormKotCzarny: or wants to put N 10m in front02:10
WorkingOnWiseAStorm: I just today remembered that app. It might be right at home on the N80002:10
AStormWorkingOnWise: it has some hildon support, yup02:10
AStormbut very little02:10
KotCzarny10m? that's farther than arm size02:11
AStormneeds direct mode fixed, which I have :D02:11
WorkingOnWiseAStorm: do you happen to have a deb of any working Dasher?02:11
AStormWorkingOnWise: grep the web02:11
AStormuhm, I mean, google02:11
WorkingOnWiseyeah  :)02:11
AStormthat v. is old02:11
AStormbut it might work, remember to start in direct mode02:11
AStormit's slow, unfortunately02:12
AStormnewer versions are faster02:12
AStormbut need my patch for direct input to work02:12
AStorm(someone made a stupid mistake of assuming everyone has GNOME at-spi running if gnome support is on)02:13
AStorm(which Hildon doesn't have, but the rest of gnome supp. is too useful to drop)02:13
AStormok, how to grab the current kernel off N?02:14
WorkingOnWiseah. are the dev's for Dasher helpful in getting it working on Maemo?02:14
KotCzarnyit's a simple data dump02:14
KotCzarnyyou don't have to parse it or anything02:14
KotCzarny2mb in size02:14
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AStormKotCzarny: good02:15
AStormWorkingOnWise: its devel is currently on hold due to temporary lack of funding02:15
KotCzarnyyou will get some zeroes too but.. :)02:15
AStormKotCzarny: padding, no problem with it02:15
AStormcan easily cut that02:16
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AStormwhat's the device name?02:16
KotCzarnyit's the 2mb one02:16
KotCzarnyprobably mtdblock2 or 302:16
AStorm2 I guess02:16
AStorm1 is probably NOLO02:16
WorkingOnWiseAStorm: ah. didnt know that. It's been a while since I have read their site I guess....02:17
AStorm3 initfs02:17
AStormand 4 is the 256MB flash02:17
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AStormyup, I was right02:18
AStormWorkingOnWise: read the google group02:18
AStormsite is really out of date02:19
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AStormbtw, dasher also needs a certain simple crash fix :>02:19
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AStormat least older versions02:20
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KotCzarnygana based in uk02:21
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AStormwhat was the key I have to press to enable flash mode?02:21
AStormuhm, hold during startup02:22
Our_man_in_ghanahaha, i'm not actually from ghana...02:22
KotCzarnyyou can flash from the device..02:22
KotCzarnyit's a simple mtdblock rewrite02:22
Cptnodegardok now im confused... how do i scroll a page at a time and not line for line?02:22
KotCzarnycpt: see options02:22
Cptnodegardtheres an option for scrolling but i dont see anything looking to mean "one page at a time"02:23
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AStormKotCzarny: no, last time I did it it failed horribly02:23
AStormso, I won't02:23
AStormNokia flasher it is for me02:24
KotCzarnyyou're right02:24
KotCzarnyfanoush kernel flasher does some magic too02:24
AStormyeah right02:24
AStormlike, padding ;P02:24
AStormNokia flasher does that too02:24
KotCzarny#we need this in hex for NOLO header02:24
AStormagain, flasher-3 also does all that02:24
AtariiAStorm hold "home" and press power02:24
AStormmhm, Home02:24
AStormfirst, unpacking initfs02:25
KotCzarnyi wonder if simply setting kernel size to 2mb and leaving ignoring padding for linux itself would be enough02:26
AtariiAStorm, what is it you've been doing?02:26
AStormAtarii: upgrading the kernel to 2.6.2502:26
AStormKotCzarny: hmmhmm, maybe02:26
AStormwho cares ;)02:26
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Atariiwont affect me on my 2008he then? ho hum :(02:27
KotCzarnythat way reflashing kernel would be a simple dd02:27
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AStormKotCzarny: nay02:32
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AStormKotCzarny: do you think I can just grab /mnt/initfs?02:37
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AStormas I don't have jffs2 support on the laptop02:37
KotCzarnyi think, yes02:38
WorkingOnWiseis there any way to get full flash support in the browser on OS2008?02:38
AStormWorkingOnWise: uhm, it has one?02:38
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AStormin OS200802:38
AStormnot 200702:38
WorkingOnWisenot full...ther are several sites I go to that show the flash logo where ther should be a flash app.02:39
WorkingOnWisein OS200802:39
AStormbroken sites, sorry02:39
AStormit does have full normal Flash02:39
AStorma bit slow, but working02:39
lcukare you sure its flash and not shockwave or whatever the similar thingy which runs 3d stuff is02:39
WorkingOnWisethe only browser I cant use on these sites is microb. even minefield on OS2008 works with them....02:40
lcukpaste link to the page and we can tell from here02:40
AStormWorkingOnWise: broken site, sorry02:40
AStormbroken UA sniffer02:40
WorkingOnWisebrb...geting a few links.02:40
AStormif Minefield on OS2008 works, then it means the page is broken02:40
WorkingOnWise  on the right side of the page there is a flash logo on microb02:42
WorkingOnWiseit's actuallf a flask movie02:43
AStormuhm, it's normal youtube embedded player02:43
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WorkingOnWiseAStorm: did you view it in microb?02:43
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lcukare you sure youve not got flashblock02:43
WorkingOnWisenope. adblock, google gears, and shockwave flash, and the default02:44
AStormyeah, it works02:44
AStormno, wait02:45
AStormthe flash was loading, but...02:45
WorkingOnWisethats wierd02:45
AStormhad Flash unchecked ;P02:45
WorkingOnWiseall i have is the flash logo there where the movie...02:45
AStormworks just fine02:46
AStormyou must've Flashblock02:46
AStormand then, Shockwave Flash is probably disabled02:46
AStormlike here02:46
Atariior adblock subscription?02:46
AStormcheck the "zoom" icon02:46
AStormin the menu, pick Components02:46
AStormif Flash is unchecked, that's the culprit02:46
WorkingOnWisealready did that....checked.02:46
WorkingOnWisejust turned it off and restarted microb...same02:47
AStormflashblock isn't working properly it seems02:48
WorkingOnWiseisnt flashblock a browser addon?02:48
WorkingOnWisei dont have flashblock in my components list02:49
lcukcorrupted file? does flash work elsewhere02:49
AStormwell, here it does02:49
AStormincluding that site02:49
AStormok, time to test02:50
WorkingOnWiseyoutube works....02:50
lcukclear cache and try again02:50
WorkingOnWiselemme go make sure it still does....02:50
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WorkingOnWisenope. flash across the board, youtube, is broke here.02:53
WorkingOnWisecan I reinstall microb without a reflash?02:53
WorkingOnWiseplease yes please yes please yes02:54
WorkingOnWisecleared the cache before I hit youtube too.02:55
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WorkingOnWiseI'm dual booting to my SDHC card. I'm going into the OS on the internal flash and see if it works there02:57
lcukfully reboot `1st02:57
WorkingOnWiseflash that is02:57
AStormok, got initfs (tar works wonders)02:57
AStormnow time for major hax02:58
WorkingOnWisewhat do you mean fully?02:58
lcukpop battery :) i still havent sussed out how to switch it off fully without02:58
AStormyou can by picking Power Off option in the power menu02:58
WorkingOnWiseoh. didnt realize it stayed hot at all02:59
AStormbut it's better to pull, just to be sure02:59
lcuki did that storm, the first drawing program i had wrote directly to the omapfb - it wrote directly over the charging thing when i plugged it in about 5 minutes after "turning off"02:59
WorkingOnWisewell flash works on the internal flash.....03:00
GeneralAntillesHaha, AStorm is right, lcuk, just turn it off. :P03:00
GeneralAntillesKeep the charger unplugged.03:00
WorkingOnWiseso how do I fix my main OS, on the SD card, without widing it?03:00
lcuki plugged charger in about 5 minutes AFTER03:00
WorkingOnWisewiping either03:00
* lcuk wonders how the device kept running a program in memory for 5 minutes when it was meant to be off03:01
KotCzarnyit wasn't off03:01
AStormlcuk: charger enables it03:01
lcukyes i know that...03:02
AStormyou see, it gets the device to start up03:02
lcukbut read what i said03:02
lcukkot - yup :)03:02
AStormWorkingOnWise: try a reboot03:02
AStormpoweroff, then pull the battery03:02
KotCzarnyi think it does it to save battery03:02
WorkingOnWisehow long should the bat be out?03:02
GeneralAntilles1 second03:02
lcukofgs - just take it out, and put it back in after blowing the contacts03:03
WorkingOnWiseok. booting back into the main OS....03:03
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WorkingOnWiseI had a pda that would still boot with the battery out...took 5 minutes for the residual to discharge03:04
* lcuk wonders why there isnt a proper on/off03:04
KotCzarnylcuk, battery saving03:04
lcuki dont need the lcd to show me its charging03:04
lcukbattery saving for what - i told it to turn off03:05
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lcuk*the led throbber would be a good charging indicator)03:05
lcuki know i can save maximum battery if i can turn off my device03:05
lcukand i know all software has stopped running03:05
lcukso that i wont find it dead by morning03:05
WorkingOnWiseok, back in, still broken flash....03:05
GeneralAntillesIt has to be partially booted to charge the battery.03:06
lcuk"It is now safe to turn off your computer.   * unless an unruly process is hogging the cpu but we did terminate the cpufreq program so you will run at 400mhz"03:06
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lcukWorkingOnWise, you have b0rnen it03:07
WorkingOnWiseare all the files for the browser, plugins included, in one folder that I can copy from the flash to the sd card, or are they scattered all over the place?03:07
WorkingOnWiselol....i see lcuk03:07
AStormmade 6,4M of kernel modules03:08
AStormtime for some trimming ;>03:08
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WorkingOnWiseif I have to smoke the sd card, now is the time...but I'd rather learn how to fix it....03:09
KotCzarnyastorm: just don't include all of them in initfs03:09
AStormKotCzarny: exactly03:10
WorkingOnWisedo you think minefield could have broke microb?03:10
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AStormhmm, now clocking at 1,7 MB03:15
AStormuhm, 2,7MB03:15
AStorm2,9M even03:15
AStormand that's mostly essentials03:15
AStormthe kernel is only 1,7M OTOH03:15
KotCzarnyessential for boot?03:16
AStormnot really03:16
AStormbut highly useful, like ipv4/603:16
AStormwait, ipv4? that's built-in!03:17
AStormand ipv6 too03:17
AStormso it must be netfilter ;P03:17
AStormthat saved 200K03:17
KotCzarnyagain, you should only have boot essential modules in initfs03:17
AStormstill huge03:17
AStormKotCzarny: and recovery modules too?03:17
AStormlike, usbnet?03:18
AStormand ofc cx3110x03:18
KotCzarnythat's not essential03:18
KotCzarnyunless you want to have wifi recovery mode03:18
AStormno, it is, it can't be setup later on03:18
KotCzarnysorry for caps03:18
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AStorm56Kcrypto, 688Kdrivers, 524Kfs, 36Klib, 268Knet, 20Ksound03:21
AStormmodule breakdown03:21
KotCzarnywhy can't be wifi set up later?03:21
AStormbecause the setup data are set in linuxrc03:22
AStormand passed from the bootloader03:22
KotCzarnycan't you just store it somewhere?03:22
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KotCzarnywhat kind of data it is?03:22
AStormdon't kow03:22
AStormok, it's 2,7MB *before compression*03:23
KotCzarnyhow it is handed to initfs?03:23
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AStormoriginal was 0,8 MB03:23
KotCzarnyie. you can run programs from initfs via chroot03:23
KotCzarnythat's how wifi is set up in free wifi driver03:23
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WorkingOnWiseok, guess i'll be wiping the SD card again and not installing everything that twinkles my eye huh?03:24
AStormWorkingOnWise: be careful and make backups03:24
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AStormKotCzarny: well, I can trim the initfs down some still03:25
KotCzarnyastorm: hrw has info about it03:25
KotCzarnychroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal03:25
KotCzarnythat's the line03:25
AStormbut I want it pristine for now03:26
AStormso I'll go about removing more drivers03:26
KotCzarnyit's dirty because of binary drivers03:26
AStormext4 is large ;P03:27
AStormadditional 200K03:27
WorkingOnWiseare you working on OS2009?03:28
AStormnow at 2M03:29
AStormWorkingOnWise: no, I'm working on getting 2.6.25 running ;P03:29
WorkingOnWiseis there goodies for the IT on 2.6.25?03:29
AStormfirst of all, it's a kernel upgrade03:30
AStormKotCzarny: btrfs is 350 KB03:30
AStormext4 is 300 KB03:30
WorkingOnWisewell yeah, but is it for the sake of the upgrade, or do I want it as soon as you can get it out. I do like blood03:31
KotCzarnyhave you formatted sd with ext4?03:31
GeneralAntillesExt4 mostly seems like a slightly better way to kill an SD card than ext3. ;)03:31
AStormKotCzarny: not yet03:31
WorkingOnWisebleeding edge...03:31
AStormGeneralAntilles: indeed03:31
GeneralAntillesUSB mass storage on the other hand. . . . :D03:31
AStormWorkingOnWise: it's mostly for the sake of performance, as 2.6.21 CPU scheduler sucks, really03:31
AStormGeneralAntilles: usb mass storage doesn't have to be in initfs :>03:31
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KotCzarnyastorm, why not?03:32
AStormso, I'll drop all the FS except btrfs03:32
WorkingOnWiseah, so we need it then. :D03:32
KotCzarnyhaving rescue fs on usb-flash could be nice03:32
AStormwhich I'm planning to put on internal mmc03:32
AStormKotCzarny: why? why not on the card? ;P03:32
KotCzarnybecause it's a rescue fs03:32
KotCzarnyso i assume card is b0rken03:32
AStormso replace it03:32
KotCzarnyb0rken in the sense that os won't boot03:33
AStorminitfs != os03:33
KotCzarnybecause of the app-manager or anything03:33
KotCzarnywhere did i say 'initfs' ?03:33
KotCzarnyi have said 'rescue fs'03:33
AStormso, why do you need to rescue an fs on a removable device?03:33
AStormcan't just use the laptop for it?03:33
KotCzarnywhy do you need usb rescue then?03:34
AStormI don'03:34
AStormI axed that03:34
AStormusbnet is useful OTOH03:34
KotCzarnyonly for you03:34
AStormI mean, actually, g_ether03:34
KotCzarnyit's all up to user's needs03:34
KotCzarnythat's why default in distros is 'bloat mode'03:35
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AtariiAStorm get rotate working in the 2008he kernel next03:35
AStormin initfs, we can't afford bloat03:35
AStorm2008he? nah, I don't have N77003:36
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AStormand rotate is software, not kernel03:36
AStormunless you're talking about omapfb03:36
tsukasais there a good app for the n800 yet that will auto download and install podcasts?03:36
KotCzarny770 can't do rotate in hardware03:36
AStormKotCzarny: neither can N8x003:37
KotCzarnythat's why there's no rotate hack for 77003:37
KotCzarnyastorm: not true03:37
Atariiaa ok03:37
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tsukasaer play03:37
KotCzarnyit's lcd that does roation03:37
AStormKotCzarny: indeed? info plz03:37
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AStormah, that03:37
AStormsure, it is possible03:37
Atariibut the 770 lcd cant do it?03:37
AStormtsukasa: canola should do03:37
KotCzarnyfrom what i have read03:37
AStormeverything except autodownload03:37
KotCzarnyastorm: and media playing?03:38
AStormKotCzarny: nah, it will play podcasts03:38
KotCzarnyah, sorry, my eyes fail me03:38
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AStormok, now at 1,2M03:39
AStormwhich is only 400 KB more than original03:39
AStormand all of it is btrfs03:39
AStormand crypto03:39
AStorm(which I could've put into kernel too, blah)03:40
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KotCzarnyor just load from vfat partition03:41
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lcukgnite lads03:42
KotCzarnynite nite03:42
AStormKotCzarny: indeed03:42
AStormor from ext partition03:42
AStormor even btrfs03:42
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WorkingOnWisewhats a good customizable app menu for OS200803:51
Atariipersonal menu?03:51
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AStormhmm, does the initfs have to be jffs2?04:10
KotCzarnyi think it has to be anything mountable by kernel04:10
AStormcpio.gz is ok?04:10
GeneralAntillesMake it jffs204:10
GeneralAntillesYou don't want to burn out your flash.04:10
KotCzarnyis cpio.gz mountable?04:10
AStorminitfs? you're funny04:10
AStormGeneralAntilles: it's not writable anyway, so?04:11
KotCzarnyremember you don't have anything during / mount04:11
AStormKotCzarny: well, kernel can mount it as initramfs04:11
AStormusing normal options04:11
KotCzarnyinitramf has to be glued to kernel04:11
KotCzarnyand kernel space is limited to 2mb04:11
AStormyes and no04:11
AStormso, it has to be some loopback?04:11
KotCzarnymake it cramfs04:12
AStormok, cramfs will do too04:12
AStormI'd love squashfs, but haven't patched that in04:12
AStormwait, no cramfs in either ;P04:12
KotCzarnyi used squashfs04:12
KotCzarnybut after waiting for a correct patch for new kernel i gave up04:13
KotCzarnyand moved to cramfs04:13
AStormfor new kernels it's simple04:13
AStormyou take the git tree of squashfs04:13
KotCzarnyyou have 2.6.25, you have cramfs04:13
AStormbut do I have it built in?04:13
KotCzarnyas i said, during initial / mount you don't have anything04:14
KotCzarnyunless you make initramfs in <300kb and glue it to kernel04:14
AStormis it mounted like initrd, or something special?04:14
AStormah, so normal root04:14
AStormok, that makes it easier04:14
AStormI could even make it vfat04:14
AStormhow much space is available for initfs?04:15
KotCzarnycheck the mtdblock sizes04:15
KotCzarnyyou can do it with dd reading too04:15
KotCzarnyit's probably mtd #304:16
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AStorm2M only, ouch04:16
AStormand it's 3,5M now04:16
AStormneed some fairly strong compression04:17
KotCzarnythen you will make it04:17
AStormwhere do I get jffs2 progs04:17
AStormwhat are they called?04:17
* KotCzarny haven't used jffs2 by itself04:17
KotCzarnycheck google/kernel docs04:17
AStormcramfs is 1,6M04:18
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KotCzarnynow the question is if initfs needs rw for anything04:19
KotCzarnyi assume nokia's patchiness and weirdness04:19
AStormCONFIG_CRAMFS is not set ;P04:19
KotCzarnythen make it set :P04:19
AStormif they do, I can make sure they don't P04:19
AStorminitfs is under my control04:19
KotCzarnyunless some of the utils need write access04:20
AStormonly to device nodes04:20
AStormsome are made in /tmp/dev, which is 512K tmpfs04:20
KotCzarny /var could be a candidate04:20
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AStormI'll try cramfs04:24
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KotCzarnylet me know how it went04:24
AStormmaybe I'll redo it as jffs2 later on, for easier modding04:24
KotCzarnydefine 'easier'04:24
AStormactually... it should be writable, no?04:24
AStormdirectly, on the device04:24
AStormjffs2 isn't ro04:25
AStormdirectly, using jffs2 driver04:25
KotCzarnyi don't know04:25
KotCzarnytry it before you reflash initfs04:25
AStormI'm thinking my arse off w/o checking if it's writable ;P04:25
KotCzarnyie. try remounting /mnt/initfs rw04:25
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AStormworked ;P04:26
KotCzarnyactual writing to it too?04:26
n800nwhat's a good way to back up a sd card that i boot from?04:26
KotCzarnyn800n: dd04:26
AStormKotCzarny: not really04:26
AStorm"No space left on device"04:27
KotCzarnyastorm: so it's ro?04:27
n800nis that commandline only?04:27
AStormI can edit files ;P04:27
KotCzarnydoes the changes persist?04:27
AStormnah, can't write ;P04:27
AStormok, it's effectively ro04:27
AStormtime to flash04:27
KotCzarnyn800n: then use norton ghost04:28
KotCzarny(m$ windoze user i assume)04:28
n800nno free ones that you know of?04:28
n800nmac or win04:28
KotCzarnyi don't use m$ windows/mac04:28
WormFoodn800n, backup your sd card to where?04:28
WormFoodthe SD card itself?04:29
WormFoodor another device?04:29
KotCzarnydd is easy04:29
KotCzarnyone liner04:29
WormFoodcp is even easier than dd04:29
KotCzarnycp won't copy partition table04:29
WormFoodare you stupid?04:29
WormFooddo you not understand how linux works?04:29
KotCzarnyyou are stupind stfukthx04:29
AStormWormFood: stfu, plzdiethx04:29
WormFoodhow in the fuck would dd copy the partition table and cp not?04:29
AStormcp copies files04:30
WormFoodcp /dev/sda04:30
KotCzarnywormfud: diediefuckdieeediefuckoffdie04:30
AStormWormFood: yes, please04:30
WormFoodyou clearly do not understand how linux works04:30
AStormcp will take ages to do this04:30
WormFoodyou cp the device04:30
WormFoodgo read the man page on dd04:30
KotCzarnyno, you copy the device file04:30
KotCzarnynot the device.04:30
AStormdd will copy in large blocks04:30
AStormKotCzarny: with some option, cp will copy the contents04:30
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tank-mandd will copy in any block size you want04:30
WormFoodAStorm, that is not true, unless you manually tell it to copy large blocks04:31
AStormWormFood: indeed04:31
WormFoodcp /dev/sda backup04:31
AStormbut you can't tell that to cp :>04:31
AStormanyway, use cat04:31
KotCzarnydd  is meant for block devices04:31
WormFoodyou don't need to with cp04:31
AStormcat /dev/sda > backup ;)04:31
WormFoodcat will do it too04:31
AStormbut then, don't04:31
AStormdd is meant for that, and it's better at its job04:31
WormFoodKotCzarny, that is not true04:31
WormFooddd is not better at that job04:31
AStormit is04:31
AStormyou can pick block size, d'oh04:32
WormFoodwhat are you converting?04:32
AStormand copy in fragments04:32
WormFoodthere are only specific things that dd is better than cp at04:32
WormFoodfor example, if I wanted to copy the first 50 blocks of a device, then dd is better04:32
KotCzarnylike copying fixed size block devices04:32
WormFoodKotCzarny, what does that have to do with it?04:32
AStormor if you want fdatasync04:32
AStormto be ubersure the data reaches device04:33
WormFoodyou want to manually tell dd how many blocks to copy?04:33
WormFoodthat isn't "ubresure"04:33
AStormand fsync04:33
KotCzarnyalso dd has progress indicator04:33
AStormor use O_DIRECT04:33
AStormyep, the most needed thing, progress bar ;)04:33
WormFooddd has a progress indicator? since when?04:33
AStormWormFood: kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)04:33
KotCzarnyastorm: add watch -n1004:33
AStormanyway, time to boot04:34
* KotCzarny boots astorm04:34
AStormin flash mode04:34
KotCzarnyyou should try fanoush tools04:34
KotCzarnyyou will love them04:34
AStormthey suck04:35
AStormand broke my fs04:35
KotCzarnyhave you meddled with them?04:35
KotCzarnyso it wasn't them04:35
KotCzarnybut your meddling04:35
AStormactually, I just tried to flash his initfs04:35
AStormwith these04:35
AStormand it failed miserably04:35
AStormgot an autoreboot ;P04:36
KotCzarnyi have flashed kernel and initfs with them04:36
KotCzarnysimple and fast04:36
GeneralAntillesYou broke something, then, AStorm.04:36
GeneralAntillesThousands of people use them without issue04:36
GeneralAntillesyou're the first person I've ever heard complain about them.04:36
KotCzarnyi wouldn't say 'thousands'04:36
n800ndd then04:37
KotCzarnymaybe tens04:37
KotCzarnyand even then i wouldn't be so sure04:37
AStormok, flashed04:37
WormFoodugh! I just found a bug with NumptyPhysics, stopping me from exiting the program :(04:37
AStormnow reboot time04:37
NaviThe only key bound to quit is 'q' :(04:38
AStormhmmhmm, white Nokia screen right now04:39
AStormand nothing else ;P04:39
KotCzarnyenable fb console?04:39
AStormok, wait, it nicely went back to a black screen04:39
AStormI had04:39
AStormI guess it just doesn't boot, hehe04:39
AStormI'll try the original initfs04:40
AStormit should work w/o wlan04:40
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AStormOk, the kernel is at fault04:42
AStormI forgot something, maybe04:42
AStormor did something wrong :>04:42
KotCzarnyhave you set root device?04:43
AStormhmm, nolo should do that?04:43
KotCzarnyi don't know04:43
KotCzarnyseeing output from kernel usually tells what's the problem04:43
AStormahha, I've enabled McBSP04:44
AStormthe defconfig doesn't have that04:44
AStormmight be the culprit04:44
KotCzarnywhat's mcbsp?04:44
AStormread the menuconfig04:45
KotCzarnyi'm not close to my main pc right now04:45
KotCzarnyactually i'm in bed04:45
AStormMultichannel Buffered Serial Port04:47
AStormand debug uart is no 3, not 104:47
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AStormok, no rootflags04:51
AStormthat's the main killer ;P04:52
AStormthey do pass the flags to the kernel in menuconfig04:52
KotCzarnyso i was right?04:52
KotCzarny(as always)04:52
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AStormI'll mod it to rw ;)04:53
AStormthe worst that can happen is that flash dies after a few reflashes04:54
KotCzarnyit shouldn't04:54
KotCzarnyeven if it's rated 1000 cycles04:55
KotCzarny(but i presume it's more)04:55
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AStormstill fail :)04:56
KotCzarnyenable fb console04:57
AStormah right04:57
AStormno no, that's in04:57
AStormwhat's out is that I said it's jffs204:57
AStormwhile it's cramfs04:57
KotCzarnythen you should see kernel boot messages04:57
AStormi see Nokia screen ;P04:57
KotCzarnymodify initfs scripts04:57
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AStormstill fail :>05:04
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btbcan anybody help me with my hildon.FileChooserDialog in python?05:07
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btbI can't make it filter the files at all05:08
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btbsame problem here: supposedly that script should work, but I get no filters and nothing on tap-and-hold menu either05:14
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AStormKotCzarny: funny, FBCON is disabled in nokia defconfig05:15
KotCzarnythey do you fb though05:15
AStormbtw, I should flash zImage or vmlinux?05:16
KotCzarnythe smaller05:16
KotCzarnythe one from arch/something05:16
AStormmhm, zImage05:17
AStormthere's also arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux05:17
KotCzarnyvmlinux is uncompressed i think05:17
AStormnah, both are compressed05:18
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KotCzarnyok, you are right on this one05:19
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KotCzarnybut it's vmlinux.bin05:20
KotCzarnyvmlinux in the /usr/src/linux is uncompressed though05:20
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randallhow can you unlock an n800 with OS2008 through vnc or ssh?05:24
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AStormKotCzarny: it must be zImage05:37
AStormand I'm trying now with real built-in initfs05:37
AStormreal tiny05:38
KotCzarnyshouldn't you be sleeping?05:38
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AStormKotCzarny: sleep is for the weak ;)05:40
KotCzarnyyour eyes will hate you05:40
AStormand it's weekend, so wtf do you care anyway05:40
randallis there maybe a keyboard shortcut?05:40
AStormoh yeah? they can't hate me more ;)05:40
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AStormrandall: no05:40
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KotCzarnyi have learned that i need sleep05:40
AStormyou can remove lock with linux flasher05:41
KotCzarnynext-day symptoms05:41
AStormthis initfs is very wasteful05:41
AStorme.g. full uClibc05:41
KotCzarnythat's actually nice05:41
AStormyes and no05:42
AStormit should use static progs05:42
AStormsmaller with uclibc05:42
KotCzarnydepends how many progs you want to have05:42
AStormI need to trim 200 KB off the kernel05:42
AStormmaybe BT, oh yep05:42
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randallno interface available through /proc or /sys?  I am root.05:44
AStormI think there's none05:44
AStormok, moved sound, BT and v4l to module05:44
AStormshould shave off quite a bit05:44
K-Foxwhen n900 is out?05:48
KotCzarnyand i will give you same answer every day05:48
KotCzarnybecause there are no dates set yet05:48
KotCzarnyno public dates that is05:48
KotCzarnyyou don't even know the name05:49
KotCzarny10. Availability05:50
KotCzarnyThe Nokia N900 Smart Tablet will hit store shelves in June 2008.05:50
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KotCzarny9. Price05:50
KotCzarnyThe Nokia N900 Smart Tablet will retail for approximately $750.05:50
NullM0demdoes it run linux :)05:50
KotCzarny7. Operating system05:51
KotCzarnyThe N900 will be powered by Smart Tablet OS 2008 (based on Maemo)05:51
NullM0demmy 810 shows up in 2 days yay!!!!05:51
KotCzarny6. Connectivity05:51
KotCzarnyThe N900 will come with support for Quad-band GSM, HSDPA, WiMAX, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth.05:51
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KotCzarnyThe Nokia N900 will be a mini-version of the N800, with a 3.5" display05:52
AStormand they want to fit all the GSM, WiMax, WiFi and BT into an even smaller case05:52
KotCzarny1. Name05:52
KotCzarnyCombine the best functionality from the already existing Smartphone and Internet Tablet line-ups, and Nokia's new iPhone competitor would naturally be named "Nokia N900 Smart Tablet".05:52
KotCzarnyname, ehehe05:52
AStormwhile not impossible, it's not easy05:52
KotCzarnysize goes down, price goes up05:53
smackpotatowhere is the information05:53
NullM0demthey should just add another sd slot and some usb to the n810, beef up the video cam05:53
AStormNullM0dem: and unbreak GSM? ;)05:53
AStormalso, add back the radio05:53
AStormand improve battery by 300 mAh05:53
KotCzarnynot going to happen05:53
KotCzarnyn800 is the last beefed up version05:54
NullM0demwell just have to make our own then lol05:54
KotCzarnyusb radio?05:54
AStormah, right05:54
AStormmake a Hacker Edition05:54
NullM0demhijack the fabrication fcillitys for half a year05:54
AStormwith visible I2C, GPIOs etc.05:54
AStormor at least make these easily available off the breadboard05:55
KotCzarnynm: more doable with a group of psychics05:55
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K-Fox ...05:56
AStormthe OMAP kernel is not really modularized05:58
AStormalmost nothing builds as modules05:58
KotCzarnylazy hackers.05:58
KotCzarnyor hackers without enough time ;)05:59
AStormonly 60KB to remove now06:02
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KotCzarnyjust drop the ext406:02
AStormit's already a module, sorry ;P06:03
AStormI'm trying to shrink the kernel06:03
randall/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart06:03
KotCzarnywrong wintod06:03
AStorm10 kB todo...06:03
randallAStorm: restarting osso-systemui unlocked it06:04
AStormah, you meant that cheap lock key?06:04
AStormnot the lock code?06:04
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randallAStorm:  Yes.06:06
randallAStorm:  Now you're going to tell me something really easy, right?06:06
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KotCzarnyok, breakfast time06:07
AStormthe lock key is just a keycode, you can easily simulate it06:07
AStormyay, now I'm <2M06:07
AStormhmm, still no joy06:08
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AStormok, forgot to add one LCD driver, d'oh06:13
AStormI win ;)06:14
AStormlet's see where this build goes06:14
KotCzarnynot just yet06:14
AStormit's 80% of success if this works06:15
AStormif I get to initramfs prompt06:16
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AStormhm, zilch06:19
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AStormmaybe the kernel has to be exact 2048 bytes or something06:22
AStormI'll try a flash with fanoush' tools now ;)06:22
AStormfortunately, my backup scheme worked :>06:22
KotCzarnybut what's the error?06:22
AStormI don't know06:23
AStormI can't get past the NOKIA screen06:23
KotCzarnydisable it from overwriting the screen06:23
AStormit's not of initfs, but of bootloader06:23
AStormyeah, like how?06:23
KotCzarnyit's called in initfs06:23
AStormit doesn't get to initfs at all06:24
AStormin initfs, there's a forced screen update, courtesy of fanoush06:25
KotCzarnyhmm, but with kernel with fbconsole you should have kernel messages at leat?06:25
AStormso it crashed very early06:25
KotCzarnybtw. mamona has gcc 4.x06:25
AStormI can get it too06:26
AStormno problem, just build gcc with my cross compiler06:26
AStormand there it goes ;)06:26
AStormI'll try fanoush' kernel flasher06:27
AStormmaybe the default tool expects exactly 2048kB06:27
KotCzarnyi think not06:27
KotCzarnybecause pads too06:27
AStormare you sure?06:27
KotCzarnyread comments in kernel_flash script06:28
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KotCzarnynice explanation of 'fully supported'06:34
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woodwizzleYeah!! I got my n800 =)06:42
woodwizzlew00t w00t!06:43
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mib_xneecu8khi guys06:43
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woodwizzlehow long do I need to initially charge the battery before I power on? or is it ok to power on and play with it while I charge it the first time? The included docs don't seem to say06:46
AStormto be sure, I'd charge it fully06:47
GeneralAntillesJust turn it on06:47
AStormit will take a few hours06:47
GeneralAntillesIt comes mostly charged.06:47
GeneralAntillesIt takes about 3-4 hours for a full charge from low.06:47
GeneralAntillesBut you don't need to "train" the battery or anything like that.06:48
elbit may or may not come mostly charged06:51
elbmine didn't06:51
elb(it charged for about 2 1/2 hours out of the box, before full)06:51
GeneralAntilles"mostly" being 50-70%06:51
KotCzarnythat would be part-way charged06:51
KotCzarnymostly is >90%06:52
KotCzarnyastorm: have you seen the lwn article?06:52
KotCzarnybad news for people expecting open drivers06:52
KotCzarnywell, maybe not exactly news06:52
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KotCzarny"Once you have a otherwise free system, you could ask for a static bme binary. That would be a request much harder to to argue as not reasonable, than the "plz provide commercial quality images for old hardware forever" request."07:01
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KotCzarnyand anoter one: "(Disclaimer: I'm paid by Nokia to work on the internet tablets. I looked at DSME's source just today to verify what I've just said. However, this is not Nokia's official position, et al.)"07:07
KotCzarnyit was about that replacing dsme would be trivial07:07
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woodwizzleWhere do I go to upgrade to 2008?07:18
woodwizzleChinook i guess =)07:19
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AStormKotCzarny: I'm still having no luck, trying once more07:34
AStormwith the newest kernel07:34
KotCzarnytry some sleep07:34
KotCzarnyusually works07:34
KotCzarnyor read the article07:34
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KotCzarnynokla n95, lol07:37
woodwizzleDoes the 2008 installer not automatically run07:38
woodwizzleI can just save it07:39
GeneralAntillesWhat OS are you on, woodwizzle?07:39
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woodwizzleGeneralAntilles: I have a brand new n800 running 200707:40
woodwizzlei'm trying to install chinook07:40
GeneralAntillesNo, computer.07:40
woodwizzleubuntu hardy 64bit07:40
woodwizzleOh I can't do it from the device itself?07:40
GeneralAntillesTechnically, yes.07:40
GeneralAntillesBut the method isn't particularly practical at the moment.07:41
GeneralAntillesYou'll be doing it from a computer.07:41
johnxnah, and be sure to backup before you flash if you want your old stuff.07:41
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AStormhow do I fix menu that was changed by powerlaunch?07:42
AStorm(power menu)07:43
KotCzarnyit's probably a txt file07:43
AStormbut where?07:43
KotCzarnyi don't have device by me right now, sorry :)07:43
KotCzarnyi would bet /home/usr/.hildon07:43
KotCzarnyor something07:43
woodwizzledoes the n800 come with xterm? or do i need to install that?07:51
woodwizzleWhere can I get to is?07:51
GeneralAntillesat the bottom07:52
woodwizzleits not there for me07:52
woodwizzleSketch is the bottom one07:52
GeneralAntillesTools, then, maybe?07:53
GeneralAntillesYou flashed OS2008 already, right?07:54
woodwizzlenot yet07:54
woodwizzleI'm still downloading it07:54
GeneralAntillesThen why do you need xterm?07:54
woodwizzleI want to play around while I'm downloadin =)07:54
GeneralAntillesRight then:
KotCzarnyjust install ssh-server07:55
KotCzarnymore fun than xterm+osk07:55
woodwizzleI guess I'll just play blocks and wait till I got 200807:55
KotCzarnyalso you will get root07:55
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woodwizzlewhich button is the home button?08:14
woodwizzleoh wait08:14
woodwizzlethe house i bet08:14
KotCzarnyforest raised n00b :P08:15
johnxyou were once a n00b too KotCzarny :P08:15
KotCzarnyjohnx: that was a long time ago :P08:15
johnxlike a couple weeks ago?08:15
KotCzarnyi got a hang quite fast08:15
johnxyeah, no get me a copy of slackware running all nice like you said you would :P08:16
infobotjohnx meant: yeah, now get me a copy of slackware running all nice like you said you would :P08:16
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KotCzarnyjohnx: you are a debian user afair? ;)08:26
johnxyeah, but if you get power saving work it will be easy enough to figure it out :D08:26
KotCzarnyyeah, unless i would close it in some obfuscated way08:27
KotCzarny;)08:27'd have a bigger horde of users after you then Nokia if you did that :P08:27
KotCzarnythat would be fun :)08:27
woodwizzleany iGo stowaway keyboard owners in here?08:29
* KotCzarny <--08:29
KotCzarnyunless my igo kb isn't stowaway08:29
KotCzarny(ultra-slim something)08:29
woodwizzleYeah same one08:29
woodwizzleHow did you pair it?08:29
woodwizzleI set the code as 000008:29
KotCzarnywith perseverance ;)08:29
KotCzarnyyou odn't set the code08:29
KotCzarnygo to control panel08:29
KotCzarnyand then to bt keyboards08:30
KotCzarnythen choose scan and pair08:30
KotCzarnyit will display te code to enter on kb (+enter)08:30
KotCzarnytook me ~20-30 tries ;)08:30
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GeneralAntillesblue fn key to enter numbers, then press enter on the keyboard when you're done.08:31
woodwizzlethats how I been doing it08:31
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woodwizzlebut never pairs08:32
KotCzarnyas i said08:32
KotCzarnytime frame is very small08:32
woodwizzlemust be ridiculously small08:33
KotCzarnyi think the combination that worked for me was, 1/ make kb discoverable, 2/ search and try to pair in control panel, 3/ enter pin08:33
KotCzarnymy guess is 2-5sec08:33
KotCzarnyi think it's the kb that makes it so small08:33
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woodwizzleOh i hadn't properly turned it on. I guess the led needs to be flashing. Had to hit Ctrl-Fn-Fn again08:34
woodwizzlegot it though, thanks!08:34
KotCzarnychina made mercedes-benz08:35
KotCzarnylol, even maybach is there :>08:36
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KotCzarnyand people are concerned about bootleg phones, he hehe08:38
woodwizzleI've also paired it with a bluetooth stereo headset. As I understand it. bluetooth headsets can either be be stereo with no mic, or mono with a mic, is that right?08:41
* KotCzarny doesn't know08:41
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woodwizzleis there a limit to the number of bluetooth devices I can use at a time?08:45
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woodwizzlejust 1?08:48
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woodwizzleit looks like I paired with the igo, but now I can't connect to it08:50
Tama^2I think it's more like "one per function"08:50
Tama^21 keyboard, 1 phone, 1 gps08:50
woodwizzlei goto bluetooth settings, and I hit edit for the keyboard08:50
woodwizzleand then I hit connect08:50
woodwizzlewhen the keyboard is on08:50
woodwizzle but it keeps saying connection failed08:51
woodwizzlei guess i'll just repair08:52
woodwizzlehehe... get it re...pair =)08:53
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woodwizzleThere doesn't seem to be a whole lot of apps in the application manager.09:54
KotCzarnyenable extras09:54
woodwizzleis that under the control panel?09:54
KotCzarnyin app man09:54
qwerty12"hildon-libs >= 0.9.50 hildon-fm libossohelp" are all replaced in OS2008 right?09:55
woodwizzleI found it, thanks09:55
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qwerty12I am finally joining ze revolution! My Ubuntu is finally upgrading :/10:21
qwerty12Knowing my luck, it's not going to start when it reboots.10:21
qwerty12Hopefully, my hibernation will be fixed. I broke it when trying to set up tuxonice.10:22
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woodwizzleargh, this whole keyboard situation is nasty. I can pair it up and it'll work, but after a while of non use it doesn't stay connected. And whenever I try to reconnect it fails10:41
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woodwizzleis there a built in text editor? I can't find one in the repos10:45
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woodwizzlenot even nano10:49
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qwerty12Or leafpad from debfarm repo.10:50
KotCzarnyand some graphical are available10:50
woodwizzleugh i hate vi10:50
KotCzarnycompile/install mc10:50
qwerty12mc doesn't really go well with a N800 TBH10:50
KotCzarnyworks beautifully for me10:50
qwerty12The hildon keyboard is extremely annoying :)10:51
KotCzarnythen just get aterm from my site10:51
qwerty12But no virtual keyboards work with my N800 :(10:51
qwerty12dsme throws a bitch fit.10:51
qwerty12I tried xkbd with the same results.10:51
KotCzarnyget aterm and use it with xvkbd/xkbd10:52
qwerty12I really do not want to reflash.10:52
KotCzarnyit's not hildonized10:52
KotCzarnyso it won't call osk10:52
qwerty12KotCzarny, I cannot use xkbd/xvkbd or even xmodmap. My N800 crashes :(10:52
KotCzarnytry turning off xtest extension in xvkbd?10:52
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qwerty12KotCzarny, ok. I'll try soon. Thanks.10:53
KotCzarnyit worked for me when xkbd fscked up the input state10:53
KotCzarnyand everything was going in caps10:53
qwerty12Where is the xvkbd config file, if you don't mind me asking?10:54
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KotCzarnylook into xvkbd.desktop10:54
qwerty12Ok thanks.10:54
KotCzarnyit takes param to select a kb layout10:54
qwerty12brb, I need to restart to finish off upgrade.10:54
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woodwizzlewhat is the default root password?10:58
KotCzarnyunless you install ssh-server10:58
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woodwizzlei didn't11:00
KotCzarnythen do11:01
woodwizzleWell i need to use leadpad to edit some files to get bluetooth working (i think)11:01
KotCzarnyyou have to instal either that or some other package to get root11:01
KotCzarnyif you install ssh-server you can mount n800 via sshfs11:02
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woodwizzlenow that I've generated a root password, i can't seem to use it. Running sudo asks for a password but when I enter one, no characters get displayed (maybe thats normal) and it never works11:07
KotCzarnyssh 0 -l root11:08
KotCzarnyor ssh root@011:09
KotCzarnyor even better login from pc11:09
KotCzarnydefualt sudo config is.. well11:09
qwerty12KotCzarny, I just realised it isn't dsme that is crashing. I'm certain it's xserver. dsmetool runs xserver at init time with the condition that if it is closed, dsme will shutdown the entire thing. :( :/11:09
KotCzarnyrestrictively lax11:10
KotCzarnyqwerty: keep in mind x[v]kbd aren't ildonized11:10
KotCzarnyand don't talk over dbus11:10
KotCzarnyso you can't use them as osk replacements11:11
qwerty12I'm not trying to :). I just want them to work :)11:11
KotCzarnythat and because some special keys (like enter) have to be sent specially11:11
qwerty12I'm gonna force a reinstall of the xserver off jott's site and see what happens.11:13
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qwerty12Fcuking great. "Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!11:18
qwerty12". 8.04 kernel breaks scratchbox for me anyway. Off to pH5's site...11:18
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KotCzarnydisable vdso11:19
qwerty12Yeah :). 7.10 worked great with sbox, why the knobs at ubuntu decide to mess things up.11:20
KotCzarnyit's not that i guess11:20
KotCzarnyby default all new kernels have vdso enabled11:20
KotCzarnyto reduce exploits11:20
KotCzarnyjust disable it via /proc or /sys11:20
qwerty12Ahh. I'm not a security freak so it won't bother me.11:20
KotCzarnyyou can reenable it later11:21
KotCzarnyjust make a script11:21
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sohailwhoa lots of people in here11:21
KotCzarnymostly bots/sessions11:21
infobotsohail meant: lol11:21
qwerty12I really need to do that mod to disable the pissing pc speaker. I swear down the linux beep is more annoying than the windows one.11:22
sohailI see!11:22
KotCzarnyjust cut it11:22
sohailIs there a list of the maemo compatible hardware somewhere?11:22
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qwerty12KotCzarny, I wish :p. Nah, easier to blacklist pc speaker module :p11:22
KotCzarnymy 'mod' would work windows too!11:22
qwerty12Registry edit :p11:23
qwerty12"bash: /proc/sys/kernel/vdso: No such file or directory" - I'm guessing my vdso is already disabled. :/11:23
KotCzarnyedit here, edit there11:23
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KotCzarnyor simply option to control it is gone11:23
qwerty12Probably. Guess I'm going to have to. I hate recompiling desktop kernel though >.<11:24
KotCzarnyyour .config should be ready11:24
KotCzarnyso just change one option11:24
qwerty12:), I'll check that when I download :)11:24
qwerty12I cannot live without my sbox, it was the bane of my life11:25
KotCzarnyor get vmware11:25
qwerty12I hate vmware. I have it installed in Ubuntu and XP though,11:25
qwerty12But sharing files is a PITA11:25
KotCzarnyit's an image11:26
KotCzarnyjust mount it wit ntfs-3g11:26
KotCzarnyi mean 'doze partition11:26
qwerty12vmware-mount messes up and I have to keep doing vmware-setup to get network modules working.11:26
qwerty12Man, Ubuntu are knobs. I can't get the source for the kernel to show up in Synaptic. I'm gonna have to check their wiki.11:27
KotCzarnythen get stock kernel11:28
qwerty12Will probably have to :). Look at this output...
qwerty12Pissing me off. Even N800 compiling is better and easier.11:29
qwerty12If I can't get this to work, I'm switching to OpenSUSE.11:30
KotCzarnyyou have probably played as root with su instead of su -11:30
qwerty12I don't get it. I shouldn't have to be root to download a source to my home directory and I didn't even run with sudo :)11:31
KotCzarnyno no11:32
KotCzarnyas root it probably created a dir11:32
KotCzarnyjust chown it11:32
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qwerty12Ah, thanks :)11:32
woodwizzlethis is a nightmare :(11:34
woodwizzlei can't get mc or nano installed, so even while SSHed into the n800 from my PC I can't edit the files I need to edit11:34
KotCzarnyare you installing one for armel?11:34
woodwizzleI dunno11:35
KotCzarnybecause it's not x8611:35
woodwizzleI'm just searching repoes for it11:35
woodwizzlei know11:35
woodwizzleall i need is a CLI text editor that works under OS200811:35
woodwizzleso I can use it from SSH11:35
KotCzarnytry this one11:36
woodwizzledammit i hate vi though cuz I don't know how to use it11:36
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KotCzarnyi haven't tried it but should work11:37
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woodwizzleok i'll give that one a shot, thanks =)11:37
KotCzarnyjust add 'armel' to the searches11:37
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* RST38h knows how to use vi but still hates it11:39
KotCzarnyhaving to echo/sed the lines i would prefer vi11:40
RST38hhey, at least you are not programming by flipping switches! =)11:41
KotCzarnyor punching cards11:41
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RST38hthe real shit hits the fan when you accidentally drop your stack of cards...11:42
RST38hthey are numbered of course, but the number is punched in binary =)11:42
KotCzarnyyou have used permarker, haven't you?11:43
RST38hmy mother did11:43
RST38hwhen I was a kid11:43
qwerty12To fuck with Ubuntu. I finally get the right command for kernel source, download the 50MB and when I cd to src, it's there for a second (the kernel sources) and then it's deleted and I get a folder called mytest.11:44
woodwizzlei think i'm just gonna haveta learn vi11:44
KotCzarnyqwerty, maybe it's moved to /usr/src ?11:44
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qwerty12KotCzarny, damn you are right. I'm such a knob sometimes, must be a blond hair day :p11:45
qwerty12Thanks :)11:45
RST38hqwerty: sorry for a private question, but what do you need the ubuntu source for?11:45
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qwerty12RST38h, I need to enable or disable vdso (not sure which one), upgrading to 8.04 has messed up my scratchbox.11:45
KotCzarnydisable, for working sbox it need to be disabled11:46
qwerty12Ok :), I thought I read conflicting reports but I must have misread. I'll have to see in source if it is disabled.11:47
KotCzarnyit's a configurable option11:47
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KotCzarnyunless folks at ubuntu went redhat way 'we know better and we patch what we would like'11:47
vegaiHey. Is there anything I can do myself to an N810 that fails to boot at all?11:48
vegaiI mean so badly that it cannot be even flashed anymore11:48
qwerty12Give it to me?11:48
vegaiSure, I'll give it to if you give $200 to me first :P11:48
qwerty12How can it not be flashed?11:48
qwerty12:p :)11:48
KotCzarnynot a bad deal11:48
KotCzarnyqwerty, get it11:48
vegaiI paid much less for it :P But anyway11:49
KotCzarnysecond hand?11:49
vegaiwhen I plug the power in, I get the NOKIA logo for a very short while11:49
qwerty12KotCzarny, when I get a BT keyboard, N800 will be fine :)11:49
vegaimaemo developer supported thingie11:49
KotCzarnyare you maemo developer?11:49
vegaiso short while that the computer it is plugged into via USB doesn't register it at all11:49
vegaiKotCzarny: hobbyist currently. I was kinda before11:50
qwerty12Do you hold down the flash "button" on N800, it's the home button but its different on N810.11:50
qwerty12Let me check.11:50
KotCzarnyyou can try getting sd out11:50
vegaiN810, btw11:50
wom-vegai: i had instance that my computer didn't recognize N810.. try changing to another usb port.. helped for me :)11:50
wom-for some reason desktop stopped finding it in one port.. changed to another and worked11:51
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vegaiIt's linux. I think it's supposed to show something in dmesg even if it doesn't recognize the device11:51
vegaibut there's nothing11:51
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vegaibut I'll try to rip everything off I can11:51
vegai*crack* Oh, I didn't know that comes off11:52
qwerty12Have you tried plugging in the usb cable, holding down the "application swap key" which is the one that looks like two overlapping boxes (left side front, top button) and plugging in the power cable?11:52
KotCzarnytry pulling battery out for some time too11:52
RST38hqwerty: Oh11:53
RST38hqwerty: switch to sb2 =)11:53
* RST38h upgraded to Ubuntu8 overnight, and the sb2 still as good as new11:53
vegaiqwerty12: nope11:53
vegaiI'll check that out11:53
qwerty12RST38h, I tried but install got interrupted and now sbox2 says no targets found even though everything that was needed was installed :(11:53
qwerty12Thanks though.11:53
RST38hqwerty: I think you need to add target manually11:54
RST38ha moment11:54
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RST38hqwerty:try maemo-rootstrap --host-tools install chinook40_armel11:56
RST38hit should pull the armel target for you11:56
qwerty12RST38h, Thanks, will do as soon as I reinstall sb211:56
qwerty12KotCzarny, only vdso option is CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO :/11:57
KotCzarnythen enable it11:57
qwerty12Ok, thanks :)11:57
KotCzarnyor read it's help subpage11:57
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qwerty12I've enabled it. Got nothing to lose. Time to compile and if it doesn't work, time for SB2 (thanks RST38h ).11:58
vegaiqwerty12: no effect really when holding down the swap key11:59
KotCzarnyyou would have to disable it in proc though11:59
KotCzarnyi guess11:59
vegaiI suppose it's just bricked. Nasty11:59
qwerty12vegai, that's odd :(. If you could boot in, I'd recommend trying General's instructions on ITT.11:59
vegaiperhaps the guys at Nokia weren't happy about my progress so they sent me a funny update :P12:00
qwerty12Repair bill will be high to make up for the discount :p12:00
vegaiI'll write a nasty blog posting to make up for that, then :P12:01
vegaiand of course, won't be able to write my mega-awesome app that would've saved the whole platform12:01
KotCzarnyis it under warranty ?12:01
vegaiseriously, should be under warranty12:02
KotCzarnyvegai: you have ported 3d drivers?!12:02
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RST38h"Nokia is sending me trojan scripts hidden inside software updates!"12:02
vegaiheh, yeah. That would do it12:02
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* RST38h remembers seeing this in Wikipedia12:02
KotCzarnythat was itt12:02
KotCzarnyi think12:02
qwerty12that tosser meanwhile?12:02
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vegaiqwerty12: what are "General's instructions"?12:03
qwerty12vegai, I can't remember but  I don't know if they would work well for you. let me do a search.12:03
qwerty12 - those but I'm not sure if they will work properly once again in your situation.12:04
qwerty12And Home key = Application swap key for N810.12:05
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`0660_what's the point of installing xterm? :)12:19
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Veggengetting to a shell?12:19
`0660i'm referring to qwerty12's link12:19
qwerty12`0660, Os2007 doesn't come with it12:19
qwerty12that link is for when you upgrade.12:20
RST38hYou can just as well install ssh12:20
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`0660but why would you need terminal for flashing?12:20
qwerty12Did you read it?12:20
RST38hdo read the itt article12:20
`0660he had some really weird problems flashing the unit?12:21
vegaiqwerty12: I suppose it could be just the battery that's busted.12:22
KotCzarny'flashing the unit' naughty!12:22
vegaibut then again, I have the device on AC12:22
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qwerty12KotCzarny, Hehe, I need to watch that N810 porn again :p12:23
qwerty12Ok, I don't but it goes :p12:23
vegainaah, it just shuts down after awhile, also when pressing the home button12:23
vegaigotta send it back12:24 me12:24
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`0660i usually have problems when flashing too12:24
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`0660i always forget which button i was supposed to press in the boot12:24
vegaiyou don't have to press any button if it's working12:25
qwerty12Sigh, kernel recompile is slow :(. I tried echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root even but I don't have right permissions.12:25
qwerty12It's like WIndows, logged in as Admin and I still can't run an commmand.12:25
KotCzarnyit's not that12:26
KotCzarnyit doesn't allow you creating a file in /proc which it doesn't know about12:26
`0660i have always had to press a button for it to work with my n80012:26
qwerty12KotCzarny, Oh yes, you are right, I forget echo makes files too,12:26
qwerty12Actually vdso_enabled exists.12:27
qwerty12"cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" = 112:27
qwerty12So I guess it is like Windows to me.12:27
KotCzarnytry echo -n 012:27
`0660do you have fedora? :)12:27
RST38hhoho, that mxic flash chip finally finished erasing12:27
RST38honly took 5 minutes12:27
woodwizzlei think i figuired out my keyboard issues12:27
qwerty12KotCzarny, Still permission denied :(12:27
qwerty12`0660, Ubuntu 8.04 :)12:28
qwerty12Should have stuck with 7.10.12:28
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`0660does it have selinux enabled?12:28
woodwizzleit defaults to the name "Think Outside Keyboard". I think the config files get confused about spaces. I renamed to iGo and now all appears to be well =)12:28
qwerty12`0660, no idea.12:28
KotCzarny[root@x32 05:24:24 /]# echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled12:28
KotCzarny[root@x32 05:24:29 /]# cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled12:28
Veggenmmm, anything wrong with 8.04? I seemomething about 8.04 and scratchbox problems, but there was a fix too.12:29
qwerty12KotCzarny, thanks :)12:29
qwerty12I used sudo -i rather than sudo echo etc12:29
Veggenseem to remember something.12:29
qwerty12and it worked :012:29
* qwerty12 cancels kernel recompile12:29
qwerty12Veggen, sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)12:30
KotCzarnyqwerty: why not: su -12:30
qwerty12KotCzarny, no idea. I'm just so used to sudo now :)12:30
KotCzarnyi hardly use sudo12:31
qwerty12I do a lot now, more so now after enabling it on my N800.12:31
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qwerty12I'm gonna add vdso=0 to my grub to make sure it works.12:31
KotCzarnyonce you set it with taht echo command it stayd disabled12:32
KotCzarny(until reboot)12:32
qwerty12Which happens a lot in my case so vdso=0 seems like a good all-rounder for me :p12:32
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qwerty12brb, I need to test if my hibernation works.12:33
lcukrm -rf throatgunk12:34
KotCzarnylcuk, make a cron script12:34
lcuki havent got cron installed, but i installed a sigalarm as a compromise12:34
lcuknow it just interupts whatever i am doing and hocks a loogie12:35
KotCzarnycould be dangerous12:35
KotCzarnyif it kicks in at the wrong moment12:35
lcuktotally - ive had threading issues. the drink_coffee process was rudely interupted and i ended up getting splashed12:36
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KotCzarnybut not core dumped.. yet12:36
lcukat least im starting to feel better12:36
lcukno comment12:36
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qwerty111That's a no :)12:37
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lcukunfortunately its turned viral - my youngest and missus are starting to sound bad12:38
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lcuki think im gonna move out for a few days ;)12:38
KotCzarnytoo late12:38
lcukor at least get myself a gas mask12:38
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lcukwell yer i cant catch it again12:38
KotCzarnyonce you are through it you should be immune12:39
lcukyer :)12:39
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lcuknow i think i need to smoke a big cigar to finally get rid of all the crap from throat12:40
ZiriuzI installed Canola2 beta8 on my 770 with the latest 2007 Hacker edition, but it doesn't want to start. If i launch it from terminal it says "Illegal Instruction" :S Does anynone knows how to solve it?12:40
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lcukZiriuz, there is a dedicated canola channel i think which may be able to help you properly12:41
lcukthe actual developers hang out there :)12:41
Ziriuzdoh, sorry :S12:41
KotCzarnyat proper (brazilian) hours of course12:41
Ziriuzthanks ;)12:41
lcukKotCzarny, maybe, but do you know which chan it is12:41
KotCzarnywell, some folks come to #maemo with ubunto/'doze problems12:42
lcuksounds familiar :P12:42
* qwerty111 holds my hand up12:42
lcuki just thought with this specific thing we could hop around and guess all day but chances are actual canolas will be more suited12:43
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KotCzarnyi think anything related with 770/n8x0 comes to #maemo12:44
lcukwhich is why he came here :)12:45
dreamernsdoes anyone know how i can change password for user on n81012:48
dreamernswell, i've tried that....but it says"The password for user cannot be changed"12:49
qwerty111Sigh. N800 is rubbish for wifi cracking. I'd left aircrack-ng running overnight. Running for 5 hours and it was killed :( and I got no key. Also is sbrsh meant for using  the ARM processor on your N800 rather than QEMU emulation?12:49
KotCzarnythen obey it12:49
KotCzarnybecause it may actually break something12:49
KotCzarnyqwerty: blame closed wifi drivers12:50
qwerty111KotCzarny, I was cracking a dump file I had :)12:50
KotCzarnysbrsh just connects via ssh and runs command on device12:51
KotCzarnyi think12:51
qwerty111Ah. Not so useful then :/12:51
dreamernshmmm...there's gotta to be a way12:51
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qwerty111dreamerns, is there a point? I don't see where the N800 asks you to log in.12:51
KotCzarnydreamerns: better not touch it, unless you want to face the wrath of wsod12:51
dreamernsi need my pass to become root12:52
dreamernsactually, i want to move home12:52
dreamernsfrom /home/user12:52
dreamernsto /media/mmc2/home/user12:53
KotCzarnygo for booting from sd card12:53
KotCzarnythat will save you troubles12:53
dreamernsand make link on /home/user to /media/mmc2/home/user12:53
KotCzarnyyou want yourself wsod'ed12:53
KotCzarnythat's what you want12:53
dreamernsthis looked easy, at least on linux :)12:53
KotCzarnylinux isn't so hackisly hardcoded12:53
dreamernsbut somehow i cant remove user dir even if i have rights12:54
qwerty111That's what happened to me lol when I tried moving home/user with unionfs12:54
KotCzarnythe concept of unionfs is that only changes go to overlay fs12:54
KotCzarnyand everything unchaged is taken from original fs12:54
dreamernsso i need user pass for "sudo su"12:54
KotCzarnydreamerns: get gainroot12:55
KotCzarnyor ssh-server12:55
KotCzarnybut don't come back crying about reboot-loop12:55
KotCzarnyif you do anything that makes x/matchbox angry12:56
dreamernswell i can always flash device :)12:56
dreamernsmy friend told me that somewhere in control panel you can change passwd for user12:57
dreamernsand just do sudo su to become root12:58
qwerty111That's device lock code.12:58
KotCzarnydrea: install gainroot12:58
dreamernsdevice lock code == user pass?12:58
KotCzarnyor ssh-server12:58
dreamernsi'll try with ssh server12:58
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qwerty111Look at this!
RST38hyou can even do it wirelessly!13:01
RST38h(if you use a PC with an Xserver ;))13:01
Distqwerty111: Haha, hacking ftw =)13:01
qwerty111Dist, :)13:02
KotCzarnybut you don't have usb adaptor to do it..13:02
DistGotta love it =)13:02
KotCzarnyjust do export DISPLAY=host:0.013:02
KotCzarnyand run your app.13:02
qwerty111It's more about the progress for me, not that I don't have an adapter :p13:02
KotCzarnyalso run xhost + on dest machine13:02
KotCzarny(or use vnc)13:03
qwerty111ARRGH! Now my sbox2 and scratchbox is destroyed.13:03
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qwerty111"scratchbox"= "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.13:04
qwerty111" which never happened before.13:04
qwerty111sbox2 "running 'sb2-init -m maemo -c /usr/bin/sb2-qemu-arm chinook40_armel /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc'13:04
qwerty111/opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc doesn't exist13:04
qwerty111Error: Cannot initialize Scratchbox2.13:04
qwerty111    Please, initialize the build tool environment with `maemo-tools', or,13:04
qwerty111    use `--host-tools' option with `maemo-rootstrap'faheem@faheem-desktop:"13:04
KotCzarnyjust install slackware..13:05
qwerty111Can't be bothered with all the compiling :p. I get enough errors as it is :)13:06
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qwerty111I'm leaning towards OpenSuSE.13:06
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KotCzarnysuse went 'meh' with novell13:07
qwerty111True but as long as it works, I don't really care who it's from. I don't mind opensource but if something is commercial, it isn't going to stop me from using it. I'm not that hardcore about oss etc.13:08
KotCzarnythen just go slackware13:08
KotCzarnyit's stable13:08
qwerty111Got me there. ATM, I'm downloading "833MB of archives". All scratchbox toolchains.13:09
qwerty111If this doesn't work, I don't know what will.13:09
qwerty111Except for Slackware/OpenSUSE.13:09
KotCzarnysounds like fun13:09
qwerty111Hehe :). My internet is slow in Linux so :/13:10
qwerty111I don't agree on Slackware mascot. It should have been Ganja instead of pipe.13:10
KotCzarnyi don't like penguin as a mascott, but i use linux13:11
qwerty111Fake Chinese Brand:
`0660i wish sb would work with amd64 soon13:11
qwerty111`0660, there's a hack somewhere.13:12
Veggenhmm. my new desktop, due to arrive, is amd64.13:12
`0660i've spent a few hour looking for a solution13:12
qwerty111`0660, something like setarch13:12
qwerty111KotCzarny, lol13:12
qwerty111this one had me rolf13:13
`0660even tried the vmware image but had networking problems13:13
`0660maybe it will be better in a year or two :)13:13
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qwerty111`0660, I got networking to work fine in Linux and Windows host.13:14
RST38hCloned Maybach looks more expensive than the original one!13:14
RST38hMore metallized plastic, etc13:14
KotCzarnyrst: from the text under art: they are so finely copied that most often spare parts fit13:15
qwerty111The cloned one looks chung13:15
qwerty111My favourite is the "nokla"13:15
`0660it work briefly with me too but then i couldn't resist running apt-get autoremove on the guest :P13:16
RST38hKot: I can read the text, although it looks funny13:16
KotCzarnyrst38h: i didn't know you know polish :)13:16
RST38hI know Russian, Polish is close enough13:16
qwerty111I don't know either, I have a Russian friend who helps me out :)13:17
KotCzarnynow you can also nag rst ;)13:17
qwerty111hehe, I wish I knew something rather than just English. My aptitude for languages is appalling. I can't even speak my mother tongue anymore, just understand.13:18
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aquatixheh, some/most of these car clones even look better than the original13:23
KotCzarnyi disagree13:24
Atariithats crazy13:25
Atariiwonder how safe they are13:25
KotCzarnywell, they are made according to china safety regulations13:25
qwerty111Not very, wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were just welded.13:25
KotCzarnyif it's safer or not..13:25
KotCzarnyyou would have to check the laws yourself :)13:26
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RST38hAtarii: They are not13:39
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RST38hThe Chinese made a dubious achievement of producing cars that are less safe than LADA13:39
qwerty111How did they manage that? :P13:40
RST38hChery Amulet Crash Test:
RST38h(most of it is in russian, but check the picture and the video)13:41
RST38hif you are eating, you may want to pause before watching this13:41
qwerty111That is brutal13:42
qwerty111I've never seen a car do that.13:42
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RST38hThe text says that yes, the body is a few places...13:43
KotCzarnywell, passengers in the back seat look unhurt :>13:43
RST38hKotCzarny: Just like live ones! :)13:44
KotCzarnyi think they haven't included airbags because they would kill the driver if he lived through the crash13:45
RST38hThe 1518 one is an ad13:45
qwerty111Lol, looking on that site, I see you Russians are crazy with cars :p13:46
RST38hJust a popular posting topic13:46
KotCzarnyrussia has many citizens, internet is there too13:47
KotCzarnyso it's normal to have some hobbysts13:47
RST38hGeely crash test and some deconstruction:
RST38h{8134A903-72B5}&id=120 <--- hehehe13:48
aquatixRST38h: holy crap13:50
RST38hyea, that is construction foam13:50
RST38hThey have got a few more Chinese deathtraps tested, including some suv, but they all look pretty much the same13:51
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aquatixwas referring to that crash video, but indeed :)13:52
KotCzarnyok, bed time.13:53
aquatixKotCzarny: cya13:53
aquatixconstruction foam in a car...13:53
qwerty111KotCzarny, nite13:53
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RST38hthat's not a log, that's a message13:56
aquatix`Go fuck yourself'?13:57
qwerty111I can't decide what's more funny. The £14,000 or the logo itself.13:58
aquatixbut the £14,000 is also painful13:58
qwerty111"The Institute of Oriental Studies at Federal University of Santa Catarina in Brazil hastily withdrew their logo when they realised it could be seen as something other than a pagoda in front of a setting sun13:58
aquatixhow on earth can logo's and web sites cost that much13:58
aquatixsimple websites that do 4+ million dollar and such13:58
lcuki dunno aquatix but i'll design your website for a small sum of £300,00013:59
* aquatix designs websites himself, thank you very much ;)13:59
RST38hYou pay for the piece of mind!13:59
aquatixbut my university had some monster costing 4 million euro13:59
aquatixand only working in IE13:59
lcukyou're only jealous because they didn't accept your 5million tender14:00
aquatixdidn't even work on the solaris machines and apples whole departments where full of then14:00
aquatixnow, just baffled14:00
RST38hJust think of it, how much better you will feel if your name will be written in Courier by some highly respectable logo designers!14:00
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qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: I know you are asleep but if you see this msg later, i fixed my n800 xvkbd problem :). I had to disable Xinputextension I had enabled before for vnc hack :)14:31
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lcukkot normally doesnt see messages after a while (something about his client, but that might have changed)14:35
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qwerty12_N800Ah, it's of no importance if he doesn't see it but I thought he may like to know as we couldn't figure it out earlier.14:36
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lcukoh no! i have scratched my screen :O14:52
qwerty12_N800badly? :(14:52
lcukbadly enough that its not pristine :(   i can feel it with stylus14:53
lcukoh even more no., theres another14:53
qwerty12_N800Damn :(, I hate that. Did it to my ppc and it's always felt weird14:53
qwerty12_N800How did it get scratched?14:54
lcuki dnno, 1 is tiny (about 1mm long) the other is quite long14:55
lcukits odd because its not done anything different14:55
lcukthe bigger one actually looks worse - in the light it looks like the 2 sides dont meet properly - looks more like a crack14:55
lcukim wondering if that happened when missus leant elbow on it14:56
qwerty12_N800shit :(, does the touch screen work properly in that area?14:56
lcukive been wonmdering why screen is a little less sensitive than usual14:56
lcukseens to, just less sensitive to finger touch14:57
qwerty12_N800I once leant my elbow on my n800 and went to sleep14:57
qwerty12_N800Touchscreen stopped working but it started again after reboot.14:58
lcukwell missus was reading web and laid 810 down on desk infront of her and was just resting elbow on desk with chin on hand.  apart from 810 was under elbow14:58
lcukshe aid the color went from my face14:58
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aquatixheh, can imagine15:09
aquatixsucks :/15:09
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lcukgahhhhh (real work)  im trying to read in formatted text in c - ive got 4 line formats which need parsing and scanf doesn't work as i hoped it would do (it segfaults)  do i have to write a full parser just to get a bit of data into my file15:13
lcukmy program ^15:13
lcuk"begin [key]"      "end"     "[key] = [string]"      "[key] = [number]"    (with indenting)15:15
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keesjlcuk: probably yes :)15:27
AStormlcuk: give us the scanf line15:27
AStormbtw, hello15:28
aquatixhey AStorm15:28
lcukwell this was first test, i used this and gave it about 40 variations of input data to see if it was stable, and it wasnt..   "%20s = %i"15:29
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AStormno no, full line15:29
AStormnot just the format15:29
lcukit was the cases where input data had no spaces hence everything went into the %s leaving nothing for the %i15:29
AStormI think you forgot to give the address of the int15:30
AStormor allocate those 21 characters for string15:30
lcuk:D you are prob right :D ill pastebin anyway just for the hell15:30
AStormit should be like char x[21]; int num; scanf("%20s = %i", &x, &i);15:31
AStormif it's a malloced char*, then use just x15:32
lcukyer i didnt supply the address15:32
lcuki already did the 2115:32
lcukw00t :) thanks astorm15:33
lcukit doesnt parse most, but at least now i know where i was going wrong15:34
AStormit won't eat multiple spaces15:34
lcukno thats ok - ill just write out the file without15:35
lcuki just need quick dirty format15:35
* lcuk couldnt see the wood for the trees though15:35
lcukit also wont end the string at the next token in the format15:36
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AStormwhy should it?15:46
lcuki expected it to continue the format when it encountered the next constant token from the format string, but that was just me being wildly optimistic15:48
lcukive spent too long using string formatting functions i wrote years ago which do that..15:49
AStormI could try prism54usb driver15:50
AStormis the wifi chip the same in N770 and N8x0?15:50
AStorm(there's a diff higher firmware, but that's no problem)15:51
AStormnah, normal p54 should work15:52
AStormyes, it has some SPI support too, and I've found mailing list info15:53
AStormwe could write a layer which converts those funny dbus messages into real wpa_supplicant and iwconfig calls15:54
AStormhey, anyone alive16:03
AStormwhere can I edit menu items?16:03
AStormpower menu16:03
AStormI thought I uninstalled powerlaunch, hmm16:05
johnxI'm here. Check /etc/mce.ini maybe?16:07
AStormweird, I uninstalled powerlaunch, yet it still starts16:08
AStormand 2.6.25 doesn't boot, at all16:08
AStormI wonder why16:08
johnxhave you at least got it showing you a text console? or will it not even do that?16:09
AStormno, nothing16:09
AStormhang at Nokia logo16:10
AStormeven though fbcon is enabled16:10
johnxand you have fb console compiled in and OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y or similar? (or are using fanoush's new initfs with that option)16:10
AStormI'll now try the mpu (junk) timer16:13
AStormnot the 32KHz which is used by nokia defconfig16:13
AStormhrw|gone: any help?16:14
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AStormI'll try booting the qemu-n800 with the kernel16:16
AStormjust to be sure16:16
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AStormI need a serial console :P16:20
johnxif you have fbcon enabled and the "MANUAL_UPDATE" thing it should spam text as the kernel is decompressing...16:21
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AStormnothing is happening16:23
AStormI only get Nokia logo16:23
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AStormit doesn't spam any text, although options are correct16:23
johnxand you tried the kernel in qemu?16:24
johnxyou should be able to have it give you a "serial console" that outputs to the xterm you launch it from16:24
AStormI'll try16:25
AStormhow do I mod the scratchbox' qemu to run it?16:25
johnxerr? you don't I think16:25
qwerty12_N800hrw's qemu?16:26
AStormqwerty12_N800: will that work on my Gentoo?16:26
johnxthat's a "user mode" qemu, you need to use the qemu-system that hrw talked about16:26
johnxit should work on gentoo16:26
AStormand where do I get that config.mtd16:26
qwerty12_N800AStorm: should do, u build it urself.16:26
johnxprobably by breaking down a Nokia OS2008 release16:26
qwerty12_N800From your n81016:26
AStormqwerty12_N800: he said that the line he gave won't work16:27
qwerty12_N800True, it won't boot fully but it should bbe enough  for bootup kernel output.16:27
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: True, it won't boot fully but it should be enough  for bootup kernel output.16:28
AStormmy btrfs hung again, brb16:29
AStormneed to redo it16:29
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AStormmight be that my toolchain is bad, that would be non-funny ;P16:34
* johnx watches debian sid/armel install in qemu-system16:34
qwerty12_N800johnx: Does your debian armel port boot in qemu?16:35
johnxwell, keep in mind it's not a port16:35
qwerty12_N800I really need to try it out.16:35
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johnxthe only thing I've done is package up some other people's hacks16:36
johnxand make a nice tarball release that boots you into hildon-desktop16:36
qwerty12_N800Fair do's, I just consider everything (wrongly) to  be a port.16:36
johnxwell, basically what I'm saying is booting my "port" is the same as booting stock "armel debian" for all intents and purposes16:37
* qwerty12_N800 needs a new sd card & usb keyboard16:37
johnxfor my virtual "compile box" I just use plain vanilla debian16:37
johnxand yes, stock vanilla debian boots nicely on a virtualized "versatile" ARM board in qemu16:38
qwerty12_N800Thanks, may as well try it out. atm, the qemu has non-working os2008.16:39
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johnxlook here:
johnxpage down to the qemu section16:40
johnxyou might need to hunt down current versions of the files mentioned though16:40
johnxor mix and match, or something16:40
qwerty12_N800ah, thanks. I was going to mount jffs2 image and extract your tarball into it >.<16:40
qwerty12_N800I'd be interested in trying out angstrom and android if/when they get touchscreen issue sorted..16:42
AStormhmm, doesnt work?16:42
johnxfor android, I'd wait until google hands out the source16:42
AStorm"This architecture uses 134938624 bytes of memory"16:42
AStormand nothing, just a blink16:42
AStorm-m 131 fixed that16:43
AStormnow, it crashes nicely ;P16:43
johnxwith helpful messages?16:43
AStormqemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x0000000416:43
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AStormvery helpful full dump I can't read16:43
AStormwait, now that I tried zImage16:44
AStormit booted16:44
johnxqwerty12_N800, and for angstrom, well the source is out there. Everyone seems to wait until it's all nice and fixed. It's entirely possible that the fix is a trivial little misplaced file or wrong option in a config.16:44
johnxbooted? woo!16:44
AStormbut only gave a white screen16:44
AStormmipid_reset: Display off16:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0a816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0d816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a10816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a13816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a16816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a19816:44
AStormomap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a1c816:44
AStormomap_gpio_module_write: Read-only register 0x4801a00016:44
AStormI'll add some initfs16:44
qwerty12_N800AStorm: those may be part of broken qemu afaik16:45
johnxor part of some problem with .2516:45
AStormI can try 2.6.21 first, to check16:45
AStormthen work upwards16:45
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qwerty12_N800Not to be skeptical and belittle your work but what benefits does .25 bring?16:47
AStormmostly, CFS16:47
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AStormand Nokia is dumb for not enabling CFQ elevator ;>16:48
AStormbut that can be easily added16:48
trickiealso kprobes for ARM16:49
qwerty12_N800I'd quite like to see kexec but I think fanoush will be working on that some time or other from what I saw in his post.16:50
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AStormtrickie: ya16:53
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AStormkexec is more tricky, needs all devices to uninit nicely16:53
AStormnow testing 2.6.21-omap1 vs that qemu-system16:53
AStormif I manage to get at least 2.6.23 to run, it will be great16:55
AStormbecause porting from there on will be much easier16:55
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AStormdid some work, then segfaulted ;)17:09
AStormthe original zImage worked17:10
AStormmy own 2.6.21-omap1 didn't17:10
AStormmaybe I need some patch?17:10
johnx_some patch? You're using Nokia's source, right?17:11
AStormno, linux-omap branch17:11
johnx_ah, pull Nokia's and at least look at the patches17:12
* lcuk_lap prepares to install scratchbox on laptop17:12
AStormjohnx_: well17:12
johnx_eh? in scratchbox do apt-cache search kernel17:13
qwerty12_N800lcuk_lap: good luck, this is my 3rd install... (my fault)17:13
trickieon top of the vanilla 2.6.2117:13
term-sigAStorm: are u pl?17:13
RST38hAll righty, iNES is running on the tablet17:13
qwerty12_N800RST38h: brilliant!17:13
AStormtrickie: but not on top of linux-omap :P17:14
AStormterm-sig: yes, what it's to you17:14
term-signothing. ;)17:14
RST38hWill take a few days to test and package it though...17:15
trickieAStorm: well some of it has been merged up to linux-omap, but not all i guess17:15
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AStormI can do hand merge, but it will be a lot of work17:29
AStormolder omap trees have broken mmc for example17:33
fysaprism is very nice for gmail/google reader.  low memory footprint also (30mb) .. maybe once our browser is caught up.17:34
RST38h30MB is low? =)17:36
fysacompared to 130mb :)17:36
RST38hwell, if you put it that way...17:36
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Onianojust got my N810 this morning18:08
Onianoare the Nokia repos down?18:09
Onianocause i can't seem to install anything18:09
johnx_They appear to be up18:09
johnx_What are you trying to install?18:09
johnx_ah, I wonder what repo that's in...18:10
qwerty12Standard Nokia repo afaik (not extras)18:10
Oniano'Nokia Catalogue'18:10
Onianoi've enabled root and ssh etc18:11
Onianoso when i manually do an apt-get update18:11
qwerty12Nice work for a morning :)18:11
qwerty12what does "apt-get install skype" do?18:11
qwerty12If all else fails, grab all the packages (yes, all, I believe skype metapackage depends on all of them) from here:
sp3000or, alternately, check menu -> tools -> log in app manager18:12
Onianocouldn't stat source18:12
Onianoi've run apt-get update to try and fix it18:12
Onianobut it can't conenct to catalogue.tableteer....18:13
qwerty12Just grab the debs from the link I've given twice and dpkg it.18:13
sp3000Oniano: pastebin?18:13
Onianowell, that's a quickfix18:14
Onianosp3000: what do you need to know?18:14
sp3000flavor of can't connect I suppose18:15
Onianoconnection timed out18:15
sp3000what does the device's browser say about ?18:16
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Onianonslookup can't reslove it18:17
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qwerty12That's quite odd as my desktop can resolve it.18:17
Onianoso can mine18:18
sp3000can you resolve other things on the tablet?18:19
Onianoactually no...18:19
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Onianoi can ping it18:20
qwerty12I just tried apt-get install skype on my N800 OS2008 and it worked. (it started downloading at least)18:21
Onianosorry for wasting your time18:21
Onianoa reboot has just fixed my problem18:21
Onianoi think i'll lurk around here still tho...18:21
johnxno worries :)18:21
* sp3000 wonders what wedged18:21
Onianoabout to try and grab some frames from the camera18:21
johnxvia usb?18:22
Onianowell, grab then send over wifi to a mothership18:23
Onianothe justification for the n810 was a tablet, video player for my commute18:23
Oniano+ a testing platform for this robot i have in mind18:24
Onianocause it has nearly exactly the same spec as the gumstix which will eventually be in my robot18:24
johnxprobably a good deal faster than the gumstix, though :)18:25
Onianodon't think so18:25
johnxxscale 270 @ 416MHz vs Omap2420 @ 400Mhz?18:25
johnxmy money is on the omap218:25
johnxthat would make up the difference I suppose18:26
Onianoi don't plan on doing much processing as such on the platform18:26
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Onianograb frames send to mothership for processing18:27
AStormok, I've ported some needed mmc patch18:27
AStormnow linux-omap 2.6.21 builds and seems to work18:27
AStormI'll check on the live device18:27
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lcukif this mothership is in orbit, could you have it blast the gps sats a little closer..  my gps is a bit flakey and needs a signal boost18:28
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Onianoi haven't tested it outside yet18:28
RST38hjohnx: XScale will probably win18:28
Onianoit can't lock onto any sats despite being near 6ft windows18:28
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johnxRST38h, at 600MHz, yeah maybe so18:29
RST38hLet's see if anybody tried comparing them...18:29
johnxwith both at 400Mhz? well it depends on the task18:29
qwerty12I'll say XScale. Not knowing anything about them but I hate TI.18:29
konttoriwhat are you guys talking about anyway?18:29
RST38hXScale is Intel (currently Marvell)18:29
AStormhmm, still fail18:30
johnxRST38h, if you can give me a benchmark I'll run it for you. I have a pxa270 416MHz and an N800 sitting in front of me18:30
RST38hI am looking for a ready made comparison...18:30
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konttorixscale is owned by marvell (wikipedia:
AStormso something else essential for boot is in that patch18:31
konttoriah someone already said that. sorry18:31
RST38hHere is a slightly outdated test18:32
RST38hiPAQ h2210 (400MHz PXA255) vs HTC Hurricane (195MHz OMAP1)18:32
RST38hXScale: 8.8 milliseconds to load jpeg thumbnail, OMAP: 15.1 milliseconds18:32
qwerty12AStorm, the Nokia patch? Have you looked at nokia's nokia_2420_defconfig .config file?18:32
qwerty12too. may be something good in that.18:33
AStormI used it18:33
AStormso, that's not just it18:33
RST38hOh yeeessss:18:33
qwerty12Ah. Here I was hoping :/18:33
johnxthe -2- is important in omap18:34
RST38hLooking for a newer chart18:34
AStormand 400MHz vs 200MHz ;P18:34
RST38hHere is the benchmark, if anybody wants to run it:
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johnxonly linux here :P18:35
RST38hthought so18:35
qwerty12My PPC is dead :/18:35
MangoFusionwhich reminds me, really need to sell my axim!18:37
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johnxRST38h, dhrystone mips acceptable? both devices running Debian/armel?18:38
RST38hdhrystone will do18:38
RST38hUnfortunately, I can't even find this kind of comparison18:38
RST38hAlmost like the manufacturers kill everybody who tries doing a ocmparison18:38
johnxwell I'll take that risk :D18:39
qwerty12Wait, my contractors are calling me...18:39
johnxalso, realize that I'm not biased given that I use *both* devices. I don't really care which one "wins"18:39
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RST38hneither do I really18:39
RST38hBut it is still an interesting comparison to make18:40
johnxseat-o-the pants meter says the OMAP2 is a bunch faster though18:40
johnxactually, I'll be glad to know the answer to this one as well. :)18:41
woodwizzleAnyone here put on a screen protector?18:42
RST38hA board manufacturer rates 400MHz XScale PXA255 at 480MIPS (Dhrystone 2.1)18:42
woodwizzleI'm reading some instructions, and it tells me to remove the faceplate first. How do I get it off?18:42
johnxwoodwizzle, n800?18:43
johnxthat's the guide I followed18:44
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RST38hAnybody got dhrystone results for S60 devices?18:46
* johnx installs build-essential on zaurus18:47
johnx... and N800/Debian18:48
ItalodanceHI :D18:50
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AStormcould someone give me reference build of N8x0 2.6.21 kernel?18:52
AStormnot grabbed from the device, built18:52
AStormlopz: hello18:52
lopzheya AStorm !18:52
qwerty12AStorm, I can give you link to one but it has case_copy symbol exported.18:53
qwerty12lopz, hi18:53
AStormqwerty12: what is that symbol?18:53
AStormI have no problem with some add. symbol18:53
qwerty12No idea, I needed it for building union-fs18:53
AStormok, do you have the .config too?18:53
AStormand does it have fbcon?18:53
Onianostill having the problem18:53
qwerty12I needed no config to go with that symbol. and no fbcon, it's stock kernel with that symbol added.18:53
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AStormI want to check if it'd boot on N81018:55
qwerty12here is the one I built - - stock with case copy. if nothing uses case_copy, it shouldn't affect anything.18:56
qwerty12I'd build a stock one right now but my scratchbox is messing me around.18:56
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AStormhmm, n800 kernel worked19:02
AStormat least go to Booting screen :>19:02
qwerty12N800 and N810 kernel are identical. According to what I've read and pieced out from the help screens.19:02
AStormSo I'll probably have to dig into that patchset19:03
AStormmaybe do a full tree diff19:03
AStormvs linux-omap19:03
AStormsee what's missing19:03
qwerty12Probably a lot. I really hate those TI idiots.19:04
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AStormwell, it's Nokia's fault IMO19:07
AStormthey didn't push out their nice patches in nice segmented form to linux-omap19:07
AStormFortunately, I can probably diff linux-omap-2.6.21 vs nokia variant19:08
AStormthen port the changes to 2.6.2519:08
qwerty12But I hate TI for their crappy wireless chipset which has no linux drivers. I'm stuck with ndiswrapper. And they say ". TI has a strong history of delivering Linux solutions"19:08
AStormright now I'm testing if the normal kernel built will work19:08
RST38hAStorm <--- now got REALLY involved =)19:08
AStormRST38h: not yet19:09
RST38hqwerty: show we remember the AGPS chip too? :)19:09
AStormqwerty12: can't you try p54?19:09
AStormah, you mean that ACXxxx?19:09
AStormthere is a driver too19:09
qwerty12AStorm, it doesn't support my card :)19:09
qwerty12RST38h, indeed :)19:09
AStormTI devices nowadays are usually acx1(0/1)0 or p5419:09
AStormok, my built kernel work19:10
AStormincluding FB19:11
AStormbut, wait19:11
AStormI've got a black screen with a _ on it ;P19:11
AStormafter it booted ;P19:11
qwerty12This is the best FB implementation I've seen :p19:11
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AStormand the watchdog killed the device19:12
qwerty12:(. Any chance of getting a syslog?19:12
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AStormit gets to initfs, so I should be able to ssh in19:12
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AStormor is it?19:13
RST38hCould somebody enlighten me on why Ubuntu shipped FireFox3b with the latest distribution?19:13
qwerty12RST38h, no idea but I love it :p19:13
qwerty12When final comes out, it's supposed to be another update.19:13
AStormI'll add cramfs instead19:14
johnxRST38h, because they don't want to switch major versions in the middle of maintaiing a stable release19:14
lcukRST38h, general feeling is that since its a long term support offering they  would rather support ff3 for 5 years than be struggling keeping oldest version running for that long19:14
AStormor build the initfs in19:14
RST38hit's halfbaked19:14
RST38hthat's why19:14
johnxthe figure better halfbaked for a couple weeks then no security updates for a year or two19:14
lcukstill think its wrong19:14
lcukpersonally, for a lts it would be better to include *no* default browser and force the user to decide, but thats not very friendly19:15
qwerty12Yep, I always though ies4linux should be an option... :p19:15
johnxlcuk, yeah, a browser is definitely an expected part of an OS these days19:15
infobotqwerty12 meant: Yep, I always thought ies4linux should be an option... :p19:15
lcukwell im gonna wait for Ubuntu SP1 before updating :)19:15
AStormdrat, my initfs is oh so slightly too big ;)19:15
johnxthey'll have debs for ff3 final within a day or two of release I bet19:16
lcukAStorm, initf?     intfs?     nitfs?19:16
johnxRST38h, btw, I got dhrystone to compile and run and at 10,000,000 runs through the xscale and omap2 are showing *exactly* the same result19:16
qwerty12nitfs has quite a nice ring to it.19:16
AStormlcuk: hehehehe, well, it is too large to attack to the kernel19:16
johnxI'll give them more iterations to go through and head off to bed19:16
lcukjohnx, something sounds screwy, ive never seen identical benchmark results on the same amchine let alone on 2 diff cpus..19:17
AStormok, my initfs booted nicely19:17
AStormand I'm in the shell19:17
johnxlcuk, I think the sample set is too small19:17
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johnxat 1m runs through they showed disturbingly round numbers19:18
johnxanyways, dhrystone is pretty basic and doesn't take advantage of many fancy "new-cpu" features IE, anything that was invented after 199019:18
AStormok, watchdog rebooted me19:18
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AStormhave to disable that19:18
flavioribeirohi all, im trying to execute maemo-sdk-install script in my fedora distro and i got this error; Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!19:19
* johnx sleeps19:19
qwerty12flavioribeiro, same problem as me this morning :)19:19
qwerty12wait a sec.19:19
qwerty12sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)19:20
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qwerty12you can add vdso=0 to grub/lilo kernel line to make it set on boot.19:20
qwerty12Or you can recompile kernel with COMPAT_VDSO. (Long method)19:20
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flavioribeirocool, good man. thanks a lot :]19:21
AStormok, how do I disable the watchdog?19:21
AStorm(except removing it from the kernel)19:22
qwerty12use the watchdog rd-mode flag in flasher-3.019:22
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Onianothis will have to wait until another day19:23
AStormok,, rd-mode didn't help19:24
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AStormwatchdog killed the device just fine ;P19:24
qwerty12watchdog is a separate flag19:24
GeneralAntillesYou didn't set the flags correctly.19:24
AStormwhich flag?19:25
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags19:25
GeneralAntillesGives you the help.19:25
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AStormah, that one19:25
AStormthe flasher doesn't want to do anything if I give it that parameter19:26
flavioribeiroqwerty12, all i need to do is put ' vdso=0 ' in kernel line on menu.lst?19:26
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset etc19:27
qwerty12My one looks like this (for example) = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=17a11b78-1e88-4e97-9dea-68de3a2baea8 vdso=0 ro splash19:27
AStormno-omap-wd should work too19:28
GeneralAntillesYou may need a combination of all three.19:28
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AStormno-omap-wd is the top one I think19:28
qwerty12They seem to be different things.19:28
AStormretu-wd isn't used19:28
GeneralAntillesYes, they're all different19:28
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure exactly what each one covers, though.19:29
qwerty12no-lifeguard-reset disables lifeguard process.19:29
AStormqwerty12: lifeguard process isn't there19:29
AStormwait, no-omap-wd didn't work ;)19:29
qwerty12no-omap-wd & no-retu-wd are odd. omap and retu are both hardware.19:29
qwerty12retu is the main one afaik.19:29
AStormno, omap is the main one :-)19:30
AStormfunny, the modifiers of the keyboard aren't bound in the kernel19:30
qwerty12Hehe true. But I'm thinking in terms of controlling the system (power, cpu rate etc)19:30
AStormI mean, Fn19:31
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AStormNokia was really afraid that something would go wrong19:33
AStormtwo watchdogs, lol ;)19:33
RST38hIt's a standard practice19:34
RST38hReturns are really bad for business19:34
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AStormbut why two?19:34
RST38hIn case the first one fails! =)19:34
AStormuhm, I've disabled all of them, yet the device still reboots ;)19:34
qwerty12AStorm, it probably isn't watchdong then ;)19:34
RST38hMayube there is a third one ;)19:34
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AStormit is19:34
AStormno, I think the kernel has that watchdog enabled anyway19:35
RST38hMade specially for this kind of tampering by a user19:35
qwerty12Have you got a syslog that you can check?19:35
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AStormI do, but I don't have SSH here yet, maybe19:36
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AStormto set that up by hand, I need time ;P19:36
Ziegleris there currently a way to have ogg suport in canola AND voip google talk working at the same time?19:36
qwerty12Ziegler, I read you can delete speex codec.19:37
AStormI want that first thing ;)19:37
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AStormno space for dropbear19:37
qwerty12^^ for canola19:37
qwerty12install kulve's ogg-support first19:37
AStormI have that?19:38
AStormand yet it doesn't work ;>19:38
qwerty12and remove speex codec from gstreamer directory to get voip working in theory19:38
qwerty12AStorm, I haven't actually tried it out yet.19:38
AStormI need to get real initfs bootup19:38
qwerty12I'll put an ogg on there and see if Canola works.19:38
Zieglerqwert... all I have to do is delete speex?19:39
Zieglerinteresting... let me try to find it19:40
qwerty12Ziegler, Yes, in theory.19:40
ZieglerI have ogg and canola working19:40
qwerty12I think it's in /usr/lib/gstreamer<something here>19:40
AStormwhat's funny is that fanoush' initfs doesn't do anything to disable watchdog19:40
qwerty12It's not meant to.19:40
Zieglerlightmediascanner0-ogg was the most difficult to get a hold of19:40
ZieglerI have it if anyone needs it19:41
Zieglerif I rename will that do it?19:42
Ziegler"in theory:19:42
qwerty12I swear to God, scratchbox is fucking pissing me off.19:42
qwerty12Should do.19:42
Zieglerok... now my question19:44
Zieglerwhy does it work19:44
Zieglerdoesnt gtalk need it for voip?19:44
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qwerty12No, it gets installed as part of ogg-support. It wasn't installed before.19:45
Zieglerwhy does it cause problems with gtalk?19:45
Ziegler(curious is all)19:45
qwerty12Can't remember. Check the IRC logs for the why.19:45
ZieglerAstorm... do you want lightmediascanner0-ogg ?19:46
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AStormZiegler: sure, but in a while19:47
AStormdsme is starting init19:47
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AStormI need single mode ;)19:47
AStormbut, one plus - cramfs initfs works19:47
Ziegler(I just got ogg support and canola working about 10 minutes ago... fairly simple process)19:47
qwerty12Hmm cramfs would be nice. My router uses cramfs.19:47
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AStormok, maybe now I'm lucky and wd won't kill me19:53
AStormwith dsme running in the background19:53
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* qwerty12 is currently purging my system of all scratchbox stuff. if it still doesn't work, i'm installing opensuse.20:01
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AStormI can't type numbers...20:09
AStormhow am I supposed to set up an interface w/o numbers? ;)20:10
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Zieglerastorm... I put my canola ogg info here:
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AStormuhm, what's the password to fanoush' initfs? ;P20:35
GeneralAntillesFor dropbear?20:35
AStormah, thx20:35
AStormhmm, dropbear doesn't support sftp, let's see if it knows scp20:36
elbscp doesn't require any extra protocol junk20:36
elb(so if it has an scp binary, it should)20:37
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AStormyup, got dmesg in :>20:38
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AStormah, forgot to mount /dev/pty ;)20:40
AStormuhm, /dev/pts20:41
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trickiewell my 2.6.25-omap1+hacks kernel seems to boot on my n80021:04
trickieit all goes terribly wrong after that :)21:05
qwerty12_N800Same probs as AStorm :)?21:05
trickiei need to make a new initfs i reckon21:06
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AStormnah, mine didn' boot ;)21:16
AStormtrickie: care to gimme the .config?21:16
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AStormtrickie: and the descripion of hacks21:16
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trickieAStorm: try a nokia800_defconfig and then disable the V4L drivers21:17
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AStormnah, that didn't work on my n810;)21:17
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trickiei have a n80021:18
trickieand im doing it for mamona21:18
trickieusing OE21:18
trickieand bitbake21:18
qwerty12_N800does 2420 defconfig work?21:18
b0unc3_guys is there any way to estimate the battery life (in days/hours) on a 770 ?21:20
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AStormqwerty12_N800: here with 2.6.21-nokia it does21:32
AStormbut not with standard 2.6.21-omap121:32
AStormand neither with 2.6.25-omap121:32
AStormI'll try it once more21:32
qwerty12_N800Ah, I wonder what differences are.21:32
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* lcuk bangs head on wall. damned graphics drivers wont work properly on lap21:39
qwerty12_N800lcuk: which card?21:41
lcuknvidia go 42021:41
qwerty12_N800You are on Ubuntu right?21:42
lcukive jumped through plenty of hoops to get it partway there (ie9--*6--) but i cant get above21:42
qwerty12_N800Have you tried "envy" to install the drivers? Sorry, if it was ati, I could have tried to help more.21:43
lcuknothing ive searched for re this laptop mentioned envy but i will give it a try21:44
* lcuk has been told to modify edid files and stand on one leg and all sorts of things21:44
qwerty12_N800It's an easy installer, it grabs the drivers from nvidia and compiles them etc21:44
lcuki think its all installed from that department, but i fear its the lcd at the far side - originally the card starts up thinking the tv out is primary21:45
qwerty12_N800I had to make a new xorg.conf to get my radeon express to work :/21:45
lcukthrough the big long x config wizard thingy21:46
qwerty12_N800Tried adding a resolution manually to xorg.conf?21:46
KotCzarnyi think you have to disable any modes21:46
KotCzarnyand let x setup mode itself21:46
KotCzarnynv drivers were touchy in that place21:46
flavioribeiroit seems is down :(21:46
flavioribeirocan anyone from another country try to access to confirm it?21:46
lcuki did that the other day kot, still no luck getting it up above 80021:47
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qwerty12_N800You could add the resolution manually into xorg.conf and set it and hope for the best :/21:47
KotCzarnylcuk, see the x.log ?21:48
KotCzarny(or it)21:48
lcukflavioribeiro, repo server works but the application on it appears broken21:48
lcukkot, where do i find it21:48
KotCzarny /var/log/messages on my system21:48
KotCzarny /var/log/21:48
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lcuk_lapargh i can see exactly 1 line of irc from here, will grab file21:50
qwerty12_N800lcuk_lap: you may want to grab xchat :/21:50
lcuki will once i have a screen big enough to see windows in21:50
lcukat the moment the fonts are visible from orbit21:51
qwerty12_N800hehe, I had problem with supplied ubuntu ati drivers. brightness was blinding...21:52
keesjqwerty12_N800: idem here with my acer and 8.421:53
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qwerty12_N800keesj: They never fixed it in 8.4 :(. I had the problem in 7.10. earlier versions  worked better out of box on the graphic front21:54
lcukow i can even see it on here as well!21:56
KotCzarny(II) NVIDIA(0): Built-in logo is bigger than the screen.21:57
trickieAStorm: with the n800_defconfig for 2.6.25 you need to enable all the TSC2301 related options21:57
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lcukyer kot i wondered why i couldnt see anything :(21:57
qwerty12_N800Oh yeah, nvidia shows that startup logo. i disabled it on my od comp21:58
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: Oh yeah, nvidia shows that startup logo. i disabled it on my old comp21:58
trickieAStorm: at least that re-enables the dpad for me, and lets me shutdown from the initfs bootmenu when booting to flash dies21:58
qwerty12_N800lol, my old comp wasn't high :p21:58
KotCzarnythis log seems too short21:58
lcuki might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics, but it tears so much21:59
KotCzarnyit's a pc?21:59
lcukthere is an old one from 30 seconds before which is just slightly larger but i assume thats just from last boot21:59
lcuktosh laptop21:59
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KotCzarny2 vid cards?22:00
lcukshouldnt have?22:00
KotCzarny<lcuk> i might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics22:00
qwerty12_N800I'd just take a punt and backup xorg.conf and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set resolutions and correct nvidia driver. But I guess that's why i don't have much luck...22:00
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KotCzarnybtw. how have created x config?22:00
lcukthis was how it was installed after running on the live disk and wiping windows22:01
lcuk:$ i tell ya all every day im a n00b22:01
KotCzarnyyou can try X -configure22:01
KotCzarnythat will generate base x config in /root22:01
keesjqwerty12_N800: be a men an ssh from your device to your x server22:01
KotCzarnybackup one in /etc/X11 and copy newly created there22:02
lcukyou know what.  im gonna take a chance on something.22:02
qwerty12_N800keesj: Maybe :p22:02
lcukim gonna get 8.4 and reinstall from scratch nice and clean22:02
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lcukand if that fails im not even gonna attempt to do anything else serious and just stick windows and vmware on22:03
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qwerty12_N800at least dpkg-reconfig before that then22:03
KotCzarnyi can try configuring it22:03
KotCzarnyif you let me in22:03
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lcukis there such a thing as a reverse ssh session?   ie one that i initiate22:04
doc|worklcuk: eh?22:04
KotCzarnyyou can port forward with ssh22:04
qwerty12_N800lcuk: remote assistance on the mind? :p22:05
doc|workeven though you said it all wrong, I think you might be looking for autossh22:05
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lcukqwerty12_N800, not far off - we use listening vnc connections to clients behind all sorts of security22:05
KotCzarny(and it will go down when you close forwarding ssh session)22:06
qwerty12_N800lcuk: Interesting, i've never used vnc much except server on n800 and the time I was messing up teachers comps during lessons...22:07
qwerty12_N800Hehe, we had a great time. I was sorely temped to press enter after typing goatse...22:08
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KotCzarnynow we need some benchmarks22:16
trickieAStorm: at least ssh running from fanoush's intifs22:16
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trickiebooting to flash or mmc is stuffed, but thats for tomorrow :)22:17
trickienow it is beer o'clock22:17
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enn800man i'm really annoyed with the sdict people, their wikipedia.dct download has problems22:38
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enn800i've been trying to dld the 3 files for about a week now thinking it's my connection22:38
KotCzarnytry some dl2mail service?22:39
KotCzarnyor proxy?22:39
enn800well it craps out about 75% in the dld22:39
KotCzarnyuse wget ?22:39
enn800can't because they use php to dld22:40
KotCzarnyheh, anything is doable22:40
enn800with captcha22:40
qwerty12_N800Use flashget in ff with wget22:40
KotCzarnylink should be valid for some time after entering captcha22:40
AStormtrickie: the initfs in kernel, or on init partition?22:40
AStormenn800: I think they have too short timeout22:42
AStormyou need to use some downloader which allows resuming22:42
enn800yeah, for the size of the file22:42
AStormtrickie: is it 2.6.25-omap1 tag, or latest git?22:43
trickieAStorm: tag22:44
enn800i have 1.6 Gb in .part files :/22:44
enn800if i get those files i'll put them on my server22:49
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enn800i guess i should've looked for other options, just found this
cwilluis there any sftp browser available?22:54
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lcukheh youngest is looking for his lightning mcqueen car.   hes roaming the house calling his name23:06
KotCzarnydoes it come when called?23:06
lcukyou would think, i just told him he wont answer and he answered back that he would..23:07
* enn800 bought premium membership for megupload23:07
KotCzarnyenn800: you were manipulated then :/23:07
qwerty12_N800rapidshare and router reset for me23:08
enn800i lost patience23:08
cwilluI think this is the part of the movie where the kid goes and complains to his magic car about how nobody believes him23:08
MangoFusionyou are seriously23:08
KotCzarnyenn, will you give me money too if i annoy you long enough? :>23:08
lcukits right, we had a fight earlier about him putting back on his dirty scanky tea encrusted tshirt after his bath..23:09
enn800i never thought i would but it's $10 vs a week of disappointments23:09
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enn800if you can keep it up for a week probably23:09
KotCzarnysure, i'll write a script :>23:09
flo_lapenn800: Wouldn't a vsever be cheaper? ;)23:10
MangoFusionwhat are you downloading from megaupload all week anyway?23:10
lcuksometimes paying out a bit of cash is simplest all round23:10
enn800i was trying to get it from the sdict server23:10
KotCzarnyassuming it wouldn't time out for him even with premium account23:11
enn800that's not really funny23:11
enn800well kinda23:11
lcukwanna bet?23:11
KotCzarnybtw. sdict server uses captcha access too?23:11
lcukat least if you paid your money you gain the right to comaplin to them like a bitch23:11
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enn800yeah KC23:11
enn800but you're lucky if you get 50 kb/s23:12
enn800and 2 of the 3 files are aroud 1 gb23:12
enn800nobody seeding th torrents i found...23:13
enn800$10 is not much23:13
enn800for wikipedia on n80023:13
KotCzarnyhope it works23:13
enn800looks good so far23:13
KotCzarnywikipedia is run by nazis anyway23:13
MangoFusioni still think you are crazy in any case. but good luck reading wikipedia on your n800 in any case :)23:14
qwerty12_N800I just save the articles I need.23:14
qwerty12_N800I love stardict with Fbreader.23:15
enn800a few weeks ago i dlded the wikipedia dump23:15
enn800but that's about 14 gb uncompressed23:15
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KotCzarnyi have thought it's more23:15
enn800just xml, no images23:16
enn800i'll be travelling to south america this summer23:16
enn800i think wifi will be a luxury23:16
enn800where i'm going at least23:16
KotCzarnyget wifi router with you :)23:16
KotCzarnyand maybe a good antenna23:17
enn800i don't think it'll help in the jungle23:17
KotCzarnyif you install it on the highest tree..23:17
enn800BUT when that mean looking spider bites me i'll find a rememdy in a few seconds23:17
qwerty12_N800a satellite phone with bt :p23:17
KotCzarnysome wifi links in good config can do ranges in km23:17
lcukKotCzarny, :) ive backed up the xorg and the modified edid i hacked.  at least if i need to reinstall i dont have to go through thatylot again23:18
enn800do you know much about the wimax stuff?23:18
KotCzarnyenn: no, you won't23:18
lcukenn800, does the wikipedia do picture identification?23:18
KotCzarnylcuk: nice that you get it working23:18
enn800hm good point23:18
lcuk"curing" yourself with the wrong fix may make you worse23:19
enn800anyway, i'll be something of a mcgyver23:19
KotCzarnyalso if tha panic starts you won't be able to do wiki searching23:19
lcukat least you could tell us what the provincial government is in west bolivia from 1998 and onwards is23:19
enn800ok, what is the capital of honduras?23:20
enn800without internets23:20
lcukas long as its non POV23:20
lcuki couldnt even pronounce the name even with the internet23:21
enn800it's text-only23:21
enn800i'm assuming23:21
enn800i know, i can't either23:21
lcuki like meandering my way through wikipedia and just following the threads along23:22
enn800i have my problems with wikipedia like most people23:22
enn800but it's still a good resource23:23
enn800i had a britannica membership a while ago, it's nowhere near as entertaining23:23
lcuklol - theres a town not far from me whats been completely screwed up by wp23:23
enn800how come23:23
lcukthe edits were hilarious23:23
KotCzarnylcuk: have you seen anchorun extension?23:23
KotCzarnyfor firefox23:23
lcukReaders of the site have been misinformed that Denshaw is the home to an obese population of sun-starved, sheep hurling yokels with a brothel for a pub and a lingering tapeworm infection.23:24
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qwerty12_N800I'll get a drink from  dere23:24
lcukits actually a lovely village - it does feel a bit like emerdale but i don't think that can be helped23:26
qwerty12_N800Halifax page on wikipedia is a bit boring :/23:27
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lcukdare i say - spice it up a bit23:28
lcukor not if you ever want to do anything on wp ever in the future ;)23:28
qwerty12_N800I don't remember anything about it! Been years since I went back :(23:29
lcukis that really a bad thing?23:29
Atariilol lcdd23:29
Atariii heard of that town on wikipedia23:29
Atariiit was on the news23:29
qwerty12_N800lol, I prefered Bradford and Manchester when I did go up north23:30
qwerty12_N800But we have a tesco that is *surrounded* by houses23:30
lcukthey both have good sides23:30
lcuki suppose that makes it easy to do the shopping23:31
lcukunless its a 24h one23:31
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enn800300 MB done23:32
qwerty12_N800Very, according to my dad, when we moved to east ldn, it was a factory (abandoned?)23:32
enn800i'd say that was worth it23:32
KotCzarnytesco shopping?23:32
KotCzarnysounds like a suicide23:32
enn800KC do you work for nokia?23:32
* lcuk laffs23:33
* qwerty12_N800 is laughing all da way 2 da bank23:33
lcukenn800, no i dont think there are any (none lurking) nokia employees here at the mo23:34
enn800ok, just wodering23:34
qwerty12_N800konttori is employed  by nokia23:34
enn800since it seems like some people are giving this a lot of their time23:34
lcukfor some reason i pictured kot as a phone salesman with slicked back hair23:34
enn800i can see that23:35
qwerty12_N800with da gold chain and ak...23:35
lcukenn800, we have all paid our money and help each other as much as possible.  we want these little nokia devices to work :)23:35
enn800well it's very much appreciated23:35
keesj n800 running usb-host "while not connected" and with no soldering23:36
lcukomg keesj, the knots in the table look like evil eyes with a nokia mouth!!!!23:36
qwerty12_N800microb is crapping out on me23:37
qwerty12_N800im gonna wget :p23:37
Atariikeesj whats the white thing?23:37
keesjan "emegency" phone charger .23:38
lcukkeesj, how many AAs does you charge on the run use23:38
keesjit delivers the 5 volt23:38
Atariiwould thatstyle set up work for a 770 host mode?23:38
Atariithat style*23:38
keesjtwo , there is a charge pump in it23:38
lcukatarii - power injection part of it should with correct cabling23:39
lcuknot sure about host mode enabling though23:39
keesjI even was able to connect my cammera to it and it poped up the file manager23:39
lcukkeesj, i love how your keyboard says "Keyboard" on the top23:39
keesjI got it today23:40
Atariiim looking to run an external wifi, but without a powered usb hub if possible23:40
Atariiinstead use a power thing like that maybe?23:40
lcuklooks about the same size as mine, but yours has wires23:40
qwerty12_N800I like the sound of the wifi that pupnik mentioned. I managed to build kernel modules for it.23:41
lcukyou could check with a charge booster and see what it gets23:41
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keesjit was about 5 euro's in the local store.23:42
Atariii bought a crazy power thing from poundland, it has usb input, and uses 4 AA batterys23:42
Atariineed to check what output it gives23:42
MangoFusionhow much did that set you back then?23:42
lcukthe galaxy simulator has more flicker on laptop than stars on 81023:42
lcukAtarii, uk pondland?23:43
lcukpound even23:43
qwerty12_N80099p stores for me23:43
lcukhmm shall get missus to investigate this week23:43
qwerty12_N800get all my chainz from dere23:43
Atariilol qwerty12_N80023:44
Atariiill take a pic of it and uploaz it23:44
lcuki got my chains from the market - the stall where i got my shell suit from also does some wicked *REALGOLDY* chains23:44
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qwerty12_N800mine is da real stuff23:49
qwerty12_N800dimandique (serious spellling)23:49
KotCzarnysrs splng23:49
qwerty12_N800oh yeah, kot, I know why xvkbd didn't work :), I had xinputextention enabled :)23:50
lcukqwerty12_N800,  i is glad yuu are heer to do the spelllings like a master23:50
RST38hqwerty: deemaundeeque!23:51
qwerty12_N800luck: y thks, u wil bow bfor me muhhhha23:51
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e[ekt]nick enn823:52
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whooperhey guys23:52
whooperi have an issue23:53
KotCzarnyas everyone coming to that chan23:53
qwerty12_N800Don't  wry, doctors can fix ur plumbing... :p23:54
RST38hwhooper: is it Tibet?23:54
whooperi am trying to install mplayer (770, 2gb rs-mmc, OS2006)23:54
KotCzarnyyou sure it's doctors?23:54
whooperand when I do, it installs and then gives me: "unable to install mplayer"23:55
Atariilcuk just took 2 pics of the charger23:55
qwerty12_N800check the app man log23:55
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: lol23:55
whooperit shows up in installed apps, but its icon is red23:55
Atarii and
Atariibad quality image, but thats a usb input, and also comes with loads of other input attatchments including a nokia sized one23:56
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lcukwicked, ill send her out hunting for boxes containing grainy out of focus chargers :D23:57
Atariiblame my "5mp" samsung23:57
lcukreally thx, it will help her to get the right one23:57
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Cptnodegardmemo to self: dont buy samsung cellphones. ever23:58
KotCzarnymost cellphones cameras are crap23:58
qwerty12_N800I hate samsung >.<23:59
CptnodegardSE's with flash are decent23:59
Cptnodegardi got a k550, decent pics but needs light23:59
qwerty12_N800Cptnodegard: true. My modded cam driver sux  tho23:59

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