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| jott | KotCzarny: actually read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=207689252&oldid=207687931 :) | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know if i want.. | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
| pupnik | yuv420. heh heh heh. | 00:02 |
| jott | (and yes it's a trollish parody of a trollish original section :) | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:03 |
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| RST38h | Oh, the meanwhile guy continues on his crusade? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's becoming quite the spectacle. | 00:05 |
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| RST38h | The key is, as always, making him kill himself | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | Preferably while being online, although I understand we can't hope for a live video feed of the event | 00:08 |
| acydlord | man, i was all excited cause i got mitter running well on the n810, till i closed it | 00:09 |
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| Jsn0327 | does anyone know of a command within terminal to display the properties of a device/directory? like the size of it | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | df | 00:11 |
| Jsn0327 | thanks | 00:12 |
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| Jsn0327 | do you know what the terminal command is to change directories back one level? | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | cd ..l | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | cd ../ | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | cd .. | 00:16 |
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| Jsn0327 | thanks i didn't know that you had to put the spaces | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's not winDOS | 00:17 |
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| KotCzarny | but you can always set up an alias | 00:17 |
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| Jsn0327 | i can not get a partition on my mmc to mount. is this because i set a boot flag to the partition? | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Over USB? | 00:43 |
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| Dylan_ | Hello, is there anybody here who could help me out? | 00:44 |
| Jsn0327 | what do you mean over usb? | 00:44 |
| Dylan_ | I am trying to install a .tgz file on my N770. | 00:44 |
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| Jsn0327 | i'm trying to mount it using mount /dev/mmc2blk0p2 /opt and it says mounting failed | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dylan_, extracting it to /usr/local/bin is the way to go. | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jsn0327: Ah, excuse me then. | 00:45 |
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| KotCzarny | jsn: do dmesg|tail -n 30 | 00:46 |
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| Dylan_ | Exactly how do I do that? :p | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | it may tell you what's wrong | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But have you inserted modules for filesystem etc? | 00:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dylan_, get the .tgz to /usr/local/bin | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | (you may have to create it) | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and expand it with tar | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | ga, your advice may be wrong | 00:48 |
| Jsn0327 | KotCzarny: that output doesn't say anything about the mmc except "setting voltage 'vmmc' to 300 mV | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | you don't know that's in that .tgz file | 00:48 |
| Dylan_ | It is. | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | jasn: try to mount, then do the dmesg | 00:48 |
| Jsn0327 | i just did that. it says EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled like 10 times | 00:49 |
| Dylan_ | Thank you for the help, GeneralAntilles. | 00:49 |
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| KotCzarny | jsn: pasting error message may be helpful | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | (from the mount) | 00:50 |
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| Jsn0327 | i know that the partition is good, when i connect it to my ubuntu desktop via the usb cable it brings up both of the partitions on the mmc | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jsn0327: Also post the result of lsmod if you can too. | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | you can't have partition mounted in both places at one time | 00:51 |
| Jsn0327 | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed | 00:51 |
| Dylan_ | Out of curiousity, has any one tried installing other OS's on the N770? | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | well, oyu can, but your data will be deadbits then | 00:51 |
| Mousey | so | 00:51 |
| Mousey | i figured out why it keeps rebooting | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | jsn: nothing else? | 00:51 |
| Mousey | don't ln -s all of /var/cache to /media/mmc2/*/var/cache | 00:51 |
| Mousey | hal will get mad at you | 00:51 |
| Mousey | and not open the pod bay doors anymore | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: life, you can ln, but you have to mount it early | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | very early | 00:52 |
| Mousey | or | 00:52 |
| lcuk | hmm | 00:52 |
| Jsn0327 | no thats all from the mount. i'm trying to open up irc on the tablet to past the lsmod | 00:52 |
| Mousey | i can just remain ignorant ^_^ | 00:52 |
| lcuk | any idea how to replace SDL_GetTicks with a standard system function? | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: what does it do? | 00:52 |
| lcuk | it gets the ticks.. | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | like time() ? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | incrimenting timer | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | MS resolution | 00:53 |
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| KotCzarny | i think there is a function to get higher res timers | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | yer i would think so as well, it appears to be the only thing still requiring sdl | 00:53 |
| * lcuk is up to his armpits in a code reorganization | 00:54 | |
| KotCzarny | i think time() returns time_t strict | 00:54 |
| ^Jsn^ | this is the first time that i've gotten to try out the new bluetooth keyboard with irc. i like it | 00:54 |
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| KotCzarny | which has us too | 00:54 |
| ^Jsn^ | here is my lsmod | 00:54 |
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| KotCzarny | or was it another one | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | time is to the second | 00:54 |
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| ^Jsn^ | Module Size Used by | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | jsn: pastebin.com | 00:55 |
| lcuk | not very good when i am trying to pull out fast things, ill look from there thx kot | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | man utime | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:55 |
| ^Jsn^ | ok | 00:55 |
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| KotCzarny | erm, sorry | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | that's for files | 00:55 |
| jott | lcuk: man gettimeofday -> tv_usec | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, that's the name | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | you can also set up a timer for you | 00:57 |
| Jsn0327 | alright i just posted it under jason | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | jsn: link | 00:57 |
| ^Jsn^ | http://pastebin.com/m4f00bb89 | 00:57 |
| lcuk | thx jott | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | what is filesystem on the partition you are mounting | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Insert correct modules. | 00:58 |
| Jsn0327 | ext 2 | 00:58 |
| Jsn0327 | qwerty12: talkin to me? | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jsn0327: Yes. For ext2, lts smething llike mbcache, jbd and ext2 | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Insmod them from /mnt/initfs/llib/modules/2.6.21-o<something> | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: about your earlier question about modprobe, just symlink or copy modules to /lib/modules | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:00 |
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| KotCzarny | cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/* /lib/modules/ | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: Thanks :), some things I got depend on modprobe | 01:01 |
| jott | qwerty12_N800: http://sse2.net/depmod <- you might also want to run this after you have the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | 01:01 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: usually modprobe.dep file exists | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | it's the matter of copying modules tree to the proper place | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | jott: Many thanks | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: Not on my n800 :) | 01:02 |
| jott | KotCzarny: no modprobe.dep here and not for new modules either | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | on mine it is | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | jott: but if you compile your own kjernel | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | and issue make modules_install | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | it will run depmod -a on your new moduels dir | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | then if you copy that dir you will have it | 01:03 |
| jott | but depmod is missing :) | 01:04 |
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| KotCzarny | but it's only needed when you copy single module file | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | not the whole dir after make modules_install | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:04 |
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| Jsn0327 | that was it. thanks alot! | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks both :). This will make things easier. I'm trying to get flashcam to run on my n8800. After messing in sbox, I got | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | n880? | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 01:05 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | module and prog to build | 01:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, hildon kbd messing me around :p | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | n8800 even | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Jsn0327: Great :) | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It has omap3 :p | 01:06 |
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| KotCzarny | it has or it hasn't | 01:06 |
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| KotCzarny | no one knows, yet | 01:06 |
| Jsn0327 | does anyone know the terminal command to remove a directory and all contents inside? | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | rm -rf | 01:08 |
| Jsn0327 | thanks i tried rm but i didn't know about the flags | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | read manuals | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I once did that with / >.< | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't have a linux system | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | jut google for: man rm | 01:08 |
| Jsn0327 | believe me i do read the manuals. i'm just trying to do this quickly. i don't have time to go threw manuals for one command | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:09 |
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| KotCzarny | but you will be using it often | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | so it's good to know | 01:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I should build man for myself and move docpurge script. I have quite a bit to learn tbh with myself. | 01:11 |
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| KotCzarny | nah. | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | just do man in sbox | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:11 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm not always near my comp though :). I wish Linux could have more sense though. I was trying to run a program and I set it executable and place it in bin and it says it isn't found. Of course, a day later I realise It's a script and was trying to call bash which I didn't have at the time. If it said bash not found, I'd have understood a lot faster. | 01:15 |
| chrisak | I posted in ITT but will try here; cannot edit my google group - cannot select text area. Last comment on this is back in 12/2007 re: google spreadsheet. Has there been a solution found? | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: it's not linux but default shell i guess | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: True. I guess I am in wrong habit of classifying everything as linux :/ | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | i think busybox can be compiled for m$ windows too | 01:18 |
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| NullM0dem | cygwin? | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny: Probably go well together :p..Cut down things... | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But since | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | eek hildon kbd :( | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | But since I got N800 and realised I work well with linux, I haven't booted in windows for months except recently to try and flash dead p1i I have. | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:20 |
| NullM0dem | im waiting on mine, anxiously | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | NullM0dem: N8*0? | 01:21 |
| NullM0dem | n810, n800 | 01:22 |
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| NullM0dem | still tossing it, i mat get both... one for my brother | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | don't forget to repartition sd drive on n810 | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | factory default is broken afair | 01:22 |
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| NullM0dem | ill read into that, thanks! | 01:23 |
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| jott | hm the nokia tube will already be out this summer?! | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | The S60 touch phone? | 01:25 |
| jott | yes. | 01:25 |
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| Mousey | will it run maemo? | 01:25 |
| jott | no but it will probably have an omap3. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, Mousey. | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | if it's s60 it will run symbian os | 01:26 |
| Mousey | oooh.. | 01:26 |
| * Mousey stops caring ^_^ | 01:26 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ah, I'm not keen on that. I think Nokia should have put standard s60 buttons as the range of apps available for s60 is amazing | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | And | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | no touchscreen means less, if any, compatibity | 01:27 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I mean no buttons | 01:27 |
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| jott | so it's an indicator for the omap3 platform availability at nokia and i doubt a n900 will be out before an s60 device with omap3 is out. | 01:28 |
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| Mousey | will rhapsody play realmedia video? | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | real media is meh. | 01:30 |
| Mousey | maybe, but i have two episodes of Trigun i MUST WATCH | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | transcode | 01:30 |
| Mousey | they're regrettably rm | 01:30 |
| Mousey | i'm missing drv2.so or some such | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | on pc or nokia? | 01:31 |
| Mousey | debian | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | grab the mplayer-codecs package | 01:31 |
| Mousey | it's in the w32codecs package, but not the w64codecs pack | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | curse rm for binary drivers | 01:32 |
| Mousey | ...or i just play them in rhapsody? | 01:32 |
| Mousey | =) | 01:32 |
| jott | can't helix play rms? | 01:32 |
| * Mousey apt-cache search's helix | 01:32 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Does our Internet Tablets have the real binary codec? | 01:34 |
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| * Mousey writes a gnarly script to remove all -dev and -dbg packages and free up all kindsa space on his / | 01:37 | |
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| qwerty12_N800 | dev packages are quite useful | 01:38 |
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| tsukasa_ | so | 01:45 |
| tsukasa_ | i bought my n800 this morning | 01:45 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 01:45 |
| NullM0dem | how is it | 01:45 |
| tsukasa_ | $150 online | 01:45 |
| Mousey | wow | 01:45 |
| tsukasa_ | not here yet =P | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | with s&h ? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | and tax? | 01:45 |
| tsukasa_ | nah $9 fedex standard shipping | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | no tax | 01:46 |
| NullM0dem | where did you pick it up? | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | so $159 total | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | not a bad deal | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | overstockdealz.com | 01:46 |
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| tsukasa_ | its $175 listed then i offered them 150 | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | and was like ebay its selling for 140 but id rather buy on this site | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | a mixutre of bluffing and kissup | 01:46 |
| tsukasa_ | it worked | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | is ebay selling them for 140? | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:47 |
| tsukasa_ | no =) | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if they find out | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | or if you get your device | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:47 |
| tsukasa_ | shipping out of tenessee tomorrow at 8am | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | you will get finely packaged brick | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | what kindof cards should i get | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | 4gb micro sdhc | 01:48 |
| Mousey | toshiba 32GB SDHC!! | 01:48 |
| Mousey | two of them!! | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | n800 uses standard sized sd | 01:48 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | :< | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | so 2gb is max per slot? | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | why ':<' | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | it's good | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | oh | 01:48 |
| Mousey | tsavola: 32gb! | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | sd == sd and sdhc | 01:48 |
| tsukasa_ | i thought you meant non hc lol | 01:49 |
| NullM0dem | the 800 takles 32gb? | 01:49 |
| tsukasa_ | okay | 01:49 |
| Mousey | NullM0dem: well i know it does 16gb | 01:49 |
| trollasaurus | My N810 should be in this week :-) | 01:49 |
| Mousey | so i hope it does 32 | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | NullM0dem, the hardware is limited to 2048GB | 01:49 |
| Mousey | that's when i get mine | 01:49 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: that's a lot of GBs | 01:49 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 01:49 |
| NullM0dem | Ive read the n810 takes less than the n800 has this changed? | 01:49 |
| tsukasa_ | hey.... could you raid0 the cards? o_0 | 01:49 |
| Mousey | NullM0dem: the n810 [which i have currently] only takes 1 miniSD | 01:50 |
| NullM0dem | that would be odd :-P | 01:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Or plug in an hard drive :p | 01:50 |
| Mousey | tsukasa_: unionfs | 01:50 |
| Mousey | tsukasa_: my idea was LVM, but unionfs is probably a better solution | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | too much fuss | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | and 4gb is more than enough | 01:50 |
| Mousey | HA! | 01:50 |
| tsukasa_ | well its still interesting from a technical standpoint | 01:50 |
| tsukasa_ | no its not rofl | 01:50 |
| Mousey | clearly your anime/music collection is quite small | 01:51 |
| tsukasa_ | /porn | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | ever heard about network drive? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| Mousey | my n800 will be my external USB storage for my n810 | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | Housey: do you have a 16gb card in your n810 ? | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | why usb | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs is better | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | scp | 01:51 |
| Mousey | KotCzarny: but USB is faster =) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: prove it | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| Mousey | uh | 01:51 |
| Mousey | ok, lemme borrow your n800 | 01:51 |
| Mousey | ;) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | ok, but i won't let you see my data | 01:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Muhahahaz | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:52 |
| Mousey | fine, i just want it for the slots anyway | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | perv. | 01:52 |
| Mousey | ^________^ | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | it has a soul too, you know? | 01:52 |
| tsukasa_ | so you can use it as a usb drive? what connector? | 01:52 |
| Mousey | it wouldn't be any fun to corrupt without a soul | 01:52 |
| tsukasa_ | its not usb <-> usb is it | 01:53 |
| Mousey | tsukasa_: microUSB to mini | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: miniusb afair | 01:53 |
| tsukasa_ | oh | 01:53 |
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| NullM0dem | im buying a ts-7800 to build as a cusotm fileserver / media player, in wish i wish to interface form the nokia. | 01:53 |
| NullM0dem | the ts-7800 is an arm based embedded board | 01:53 |
| Mousey | i have the microUSB host cable, so all i need is the n800 to mount the fs's on my n810 | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | nullm0dem: does it have sshd ? | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:53 |
| NullM0dem | yit runs debain | 01:53 |
| NullM0dem | yit has whatever i want it too :P | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | then sshfs | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | or anything | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:53 |
| Mousey | aaaaaaaaaaanything | 01:53 |
| Mousey | except LVM | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | darn. my head hurts | 01:54 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | i hate summer | 01:54 |
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| NullM0dem | heres the link if interested http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 | 01:54 |
| NullM0dem | the site is hosted on the board as well | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ddos? | 01:55 |
| tsukasa_ | Cons: will only see 14.9 gb, tried LL format made no difference..oh well its still 14.9 gbs | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | anyone? | 01:55 |
| tsukasa_ | god i hate newegg reviews | 01:55 |
| tsukasa_ | people are so stupid | 01:55 |
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| Mousey | wow pc104 | 01:55 |
| NullM0dem | yep | 01:55 |
| tsukasa_ | that goes hand in hand with laptops... Cons: has vista | 01:55 |
| tsukasa_ | sigh | 01:55 |
| Mousey | cons: has windows | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | cons: isn't free | 01:56 |
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| Mousey | cons: has antivirus software! | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | cons: doesn't do what i want it to do without me telling it to do it | 01:56 |
| Mousey | cons: steals your money and spies on your parents | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | cons: doesn't walk the dog | 01:57 |
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| Mousey | cons: steals your girlfriend | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | that's useful sometimes | 01:57 |
| Mousey | good point | 01:58 |
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| tsukasa_ | wow | 01:58 |
| tsukasa_ | why is 10 gigabit so expensive | 01:58 |
| tsukasa_ | $35000 | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | because. | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | just remember what was the price for 10mbit 10 years ago | 01:59 |
| tsukasa_ | is it normally that high for new ethernet standards? | 01:59 |
| tsukasa_ | lol idremember | 01:59 |
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| tsukasa_ | i wonder why they arent more worried about the rest of the bottlenecks out there | 02:00 |
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| Mousey | i remember when 1Gb was expensive. now it comes free with your happy meal | 02:01 |
| NullM0dem | i remember when 20 megs was expensive | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | but now happy meal is expensive | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | Un-brickable design ensures 100% recoverability from SD card in case of onboard flash erasure. | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 02:04 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | nokia should include feature like this | 02:04 |
| NullM0dem | I couldant decide if i wanted the n8*0 or that board first, Should be alot of fun to play with | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | just decide based on what features you need more | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | portable tablet or home server | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | home server can be done on free p3 box :) | 02:05 |
| NullM0dem | well they will be symbiotic to each other | 02:06 |
| NullM0dem | true | 02:06 |
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| NullM0dem | but this is lowpowerd with ARM ;-) | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | otoh nokia's prices are falling all the time | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | i could use third screen | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | irc/epsxe/web/txt | 02:09 |
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| NullM0dem | wow, i just read the n8*0's swap to flash.. Is that default? | 02:13 |
| NullM0dem | I would think swap would be turned off | 02:14 |
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| KotCzarny | ? | 02:16 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's not enabled by default | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | but useful sometimes | 02:16 |
| NullM0dem | ok thanks | 02:18 |
| NullM0dem | ive been reading pretty much every google hit i can find, some mis info out there | 02:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:19 |
| NullM0dem | i have not bought a handheld since the ipaq 39xx series | 02:19 |
| NullM0dem | felt ripped off | 02:19 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:20 |
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| Mousey | NullM0dem: i don't know how much of a linux0r you are, but my n810 is the best handheld i've ever even heard of | 02:20 |
| Mousey | much less owned | 02:20 |
| Mousey | i don't even carry a notebook anymore | 02:20 |
| Mousey | not that i'm a nokia fan or anything | 02:21 |
| NullM0dem | ive used linux since 2000 as my primary os | 02:21 |
| NullM0dem | mainly slack and debian | 02:21 |
| Mousey | nice | 02:21 |
| Mousey | well then you'll love the n810 | 02:21 |
| NullM0dem | I switched to linux for the free programming tools, and the baility to read source:) | 02:21 |
| Mousey | i can't speak about the 800, i couldn't own a handheld without a keyboard. but i'm clearly not the majority | 02:21 |
| NullM0dem | i dont have patiencs for stylus typing | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stylus typing is lame | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fullscreen keyboard is the way to go. | 02:22 |
| NullM0dem | I type too much, I have been looking at the frogpads on think geek, anyone use these? | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just get an iGo | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The frogpad is way too expensive. | 02:23 |
| NullM0dem | ill check it out | 02:23 |
| Mousey | fullscreen keyboards shorten touchscreen lives | 02:23 |
| Mousey | hardware keyboard! | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 02:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware keyboards kill features. | 02:23 |
| Mousey | lies! | 02:23 |
| Mousey | hardware keyboard IS the feature! =P | 02:24 |
| NullM0dem | iGo is the brandname? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | google for 'igo slim' | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | or 'igo ultra slim' | 02:24 |
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| Lateralus | Is anyone else experiencing a problem with file handles remaining open in chinook? I have a piece of code writing a file, fopen(), fwrite(), fflush() and then fclose(), but afterwards trying to delete that file in the file manager it reports that "the file is in use" | 02:45 |
| jott | Lateralus: you could use "fuser filename" to check which pid still has the file open | 02:52 |
| jott | and also make sure to check the return value of the f*() functions | 02:52 |
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| Mousey | so relocating /usr/share/locale ... not so good idea | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | mousey, just go 'boot from sd card' route | 02:53 |
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| Mousey | i know i know! i'm tryna stay ignorant as long as i can | 02:54 |
| Lateralus | jott: Actually, I'm not checking those values (*blush*). lsof reports that my process is the one with the file open, though | 02:54 |
| Mousey | it's a respectable course of action, i know | 02:54 |
| jott | Lateralus: ok so maybe something went wrong while using those funtions. just check the return values - it might help. | 02:55 |
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| NullM0dem | What are you doing Mousey? | 03:00 |
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| NullM0dem | Im just interested in any hacks or customizations :-) | 03:01 |
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| Mousey | NullM0dem: trying to conserve space on / the lazy ignorant way | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just boot from the card. . . | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No point in setting it up so you have twice the breakable parts. :\ | 03:06 |
| Mousey | instead of installing some magical new initfs which allows me to boot from other devices and such | 03:06 |
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| NullM0dem | So you could set it up to boot custom os images form flash? | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | NullM0dem, http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 03:07 |
| NullM0dem | funny i was just wondering about that | 03:08 |
| NullM0dem | :P | 03:08 |
| NullM0dem | thanks | 03:08 |
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| NullM0dem | kbdd that is | 03:09 |
| NullM0dem | scummvm no way!!! | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works great, too. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You might like this, NullM0dem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts | 03:10 |
| tsukasa_ | hows emulation on the n800 | 03:11 |
| tsukasa_ | snes work? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doom and Quake I/II as well if you're into FPS action. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | tsukasa_, not wonderful | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But looking up. | 03:11 |
| NullM0dem | the newton was awesome BTW | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes it was. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The HRW was a thing of beauty. | 03:12 |
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| Navi | HWR? | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure. | 03:18 |
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| WormFood | if one of you guys wants to do something really cool, you can compile/port this program to the N800 http://ichi2.net/anki/ | 03:18 |
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| WormFood | I installed the palm emulator, and tried the program of the same name, but it sucks compared to the one for KDE...I'd just use my laptop....but many times I want to run that program and I can't because I don't have space to use my laptop....so a version of the N800 would be awesome for me | 03:20 |
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| NullM0dem | theres also gemRB which does some of the older bioware games | 03:22 |
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| NullM0dem | anyone try that out yet? | 03:22 |
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| NullM0dem | GeneralAntilles: Great article thanks! | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure. I hope you'll contribute your own story whenever you get a device. :) | 03:26 |
| Navi | Don't do it | 03:27 |
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| Navi | I didn't do it and I'm much more happier than if I did | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you know? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You didn't do it, so you have no basis for comparison. :P | 03:28 |
| NullM0dem | Im going to be doing various things with it, ill document them for sure | 03:28 |
| Navi | I can foresee the different branches of the future that are created through different actions | 03:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles begins throwing temporary tattoos and wet towels at Navi. | 03:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Who are you, Muad'Dib? | 03:29 |
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| Navi | Actually, remember the story I told lcuk? | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It was lame. | 03:30 |
| Navi | I kno rite? | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You felt bad afterwords because it was lame. :P | 03:31 |
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| NullM0dem | haha | 03:31 |
| Navi | That was part of what I had written for that article | 03:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Speak of the devil. | 03:31 |
| Navi | but I'm never going to get around to finishing it because you're a meanie weenie | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | i kno rite? | 03:31 |
| lcuk | huh? | 03:31 |
| Navi | Nothin' | 03:32 |
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| * lcuk now starts pondering what he missed by closing the wrong tab | 03:34 | |
| Navi | Everything | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's what this is for: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 03:36 |
| fysa | <Navi> I kno rite? | 03:36 |
| Navi | Ya omg | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I have no idea what a "Maemo IR Clog" is. | 03:37 |
| lcuk | yer im on there but it still doesnt make sense :P | 03:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | <fysa> <Navi> I kno rite? | 03:37 |
| Navi | ya | 03:37 |
| * lcuk is wonderin what story was lame. its been a v long day and i forget almost everything | 03:37 | |
| Navi | lcuk, oh, it's the story I talked to you about | 03:38 |
| Navi | the story about why I got my N800 | 03:38 |
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| Navi | I told it to you Sunday or Saturday | 03:38 |
| lcuk | oh that one.... yer i remember... ummm *quick look around* | 03:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:39 |
| * lcuk already knows not to believe everything he reads on the internet | 03:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you're blind! | 03:40 |
| lcuk | now, onto other stuff, should i bury my head back into vmware or should i go to bed | 03:40 |
| lcuk | i am almost | 03:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | vmware! | 03:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles cracks the whip! | 03:41 | |
| * shapr cracks the plate! | 03:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the nice china! | 03:41 |
| shapr | Man I'm tired.. do I play with electronics, or do I get a 32-bit maemo chroot working? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | 32-bit maemo chroot! | 03:42 |
| lcuk | or play with the hardware if there is any chance of getting linux running on it | 03:42 |
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| kbsingh | :) | 03:44 |
| kbsingh | anyone seen https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990 on the n810 ? I seem to have just suffered something similar. wifi gave up when running scp from a local machine. | 03:45 |
| shapr | lcuk: Not yet.. haven't got my BUG yet! | 03:45 |
| kbsingh | now, wifi wont connect to the same AP anymore, tried the powercycle, tried making sure btty is fully charged etc. | 03:45 |
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| kbsingh | am open to ideas, suggestions :D | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill the AP? | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try connecting with a static IP? | 03:46 |
| kbsingh | powercycled the AP, tried static IP ( its on static anyway - so yea, tried dhcp as well ) | 03:46 |
| shapr | With 0S2007 I had a problem with one particular AP, whenever it was sending beacons, I couldn't connect to *anything*. | 03:46 |
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| kbsingh | I've tried changing channels on the AP as well ( its on auto - europe, selected 6 ) so I tried it on 4 / 8 / 11. made no diff to the other devices that use it, also made no diff to the n810 | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | z00dax! | 03:47 |
| kbsingh | o^O | 03:48 |
| kbsingh | NullM0dem: did you break my device ? | 03:48 |
| shapr | Channel 11 tends to have less noise, ime | 03:48 |
| NullM0dem | no i use centos and recognized you | 03:48 |
| kbsingh | also, why does your nick ring a bell NullM0dem | 03:48 |
| kbsingh | ah! | 03:48 |
| NullM0dem | lurked in centos a few years ago | 03:48 |
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| NullM0dem | tested xen packages | 03:49 |
| NullM0dem | briefly | 03:49 |
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| kbsingh | cool | 03:50 |
| kbsingh | #centos gets a fair bit of noise and noobs these days :/ guess its a good sign , but I end up staying away a lot :D | 03:51 |
| NullM0dem | :-) | 03:51 |
| NullM0dem | kbsingh: how much traffic for the scp session | 03:53 |
| kbsingh | it did about 380MiB before going off... and it was running at about 500 - 550K/sec | 03:54 |
| kbsingh | I guess there is reasonable evidence that its no longer associating with the AP, it never gets a dhcp request onto the network and the AP does not seem to list its MAC as 'seen' anymore | 03:55 |
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| NullM0dem | that happend to a laptop once, while i was building LFS over SSH | 03:56 |
| NullM0dem | i was dropped and couldant reconnect till i powercycled everything | 03:56 |
| NullM0dem | was odd for sure | 03:57 |
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| kbsingh | humm... i can see it hit the radius instance for auth info. | 04:02 |
| * kbsingh scratches his head...W.T.F is going on here :/ | 04:02 | |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4418 | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | next olympic games category? | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | post with hologram is also interesting | 05:13 |
| NullM0dem | wow | 05:15 |
| NullM0dem | never knew of such a thing | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | me too | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess, it's people, with too much time | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:16 |
| halleck | they should spend it coding :P | 05:16 |
| NullM0dem | heh, I could say the same with my linux habits | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it helps them thinking ;) | 05:17 |
| kbsingh | right, time to get some sleep me thinks. | 05:17 |
| kbsingh | SIGSLEEP #maemo | 05:17 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 05:17 |
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| halleck | What is funny is while I found the clip extreamly boring I was impressed with the lighting and camera angles :) | 05:18 |
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| NullM0dem | It was well filmed, im impressed at the fact you could only see the hand | 05:19 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, im tired now. take a look | 05:54 |
| lcuk | gnite | 05:54 |
| * lcuk has been getting ready for some major changes | 05:54 | |
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| KotCzarny | agent 008 | 06:12 |
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| * n800n playing half life 2 on n800 | 06:37 | |
| n800n | ok, bad joke. | 06:37 |
| n800n | crysis? | 06:37 |
| johnx | n800n, not exactly hl2 but did you see the opengl demo running on an OMAP3 that xfade linked? | 06:38 |
| n800n | no | 06:38 |
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| * johnx digs up the link | 06:39 | |
| Navi | OMAP3 has a lot of power under the hood for a mobile chip | 06:39 |
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| johnx | yeah, I'm really looking forward to it :D | 06:39 |
| Navi | yep | 06:39 |
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| johnx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 | 06:39 |
| NullM0dem | wow | 06:40 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:40 |
| johnx | I was expecting some janky n64 graphics but that's pretty awesome :) | 06:40 |
| n800n | whoa | 06:40 |
| johnx | I'm gonna have to sell a kidney or two to be able to afford to get the pandora or whatever Nokia releases with an OMAP3 but still... | 06:41 |
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| Navi | hehe | 06:41 |
| n800n | i really hope people will start using the i.t.'s for sound making soon | 06:41 |
| Navi | I wish the Pandora had the GP2X's form | 06:41 |
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| Navi | I'm really not a fan of the clamshell thing | 06:41 |
| n800n | european? | 06:42 |
| johnx | I don't care what form it has as long as it has a decent d-pad | 06:42 |
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| Navi | I liked the mods with the N-Gage dpad on the F100s | 06:43 |
| Navi | If it's one thing that the N-Gage did right (the ONLY thing), it's the dpad. | 06:43 |
| johnx | heck, even zaurus c1000 d-pad is fine, but the n800 (and n810 from what I've heard) is inexcusable | 06:43 |
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| KotCzarny | it was designed by sega i think | 06:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:44 |
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| KotCzarny | (the original n-gage) | 06:45 |
| johnx | seriously though, it's just not rocket science to make a good durable d-pad | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | but it only takes one decision to make it poor | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | usually from the person from another dep | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | that never used the device | 06:46 |
| johnx | what's impressive is that the 770 was the single high point of tablet d-pads (from what I understand) and it's gotten worse every release | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | talk about looks over usability | 06:47 |
| n800n | johnx yeah, impressive | 06:48 |
| TheFool | KotCzarny: I don't know about that I personally find the 800 a step down lookwise from the 770 | 06:49 |
| TheFool | with the 810 being a step back up | 06:49 |
| johnx | n800n, now just imagine that the N810 is actually worse than the N800 in terms of d-pad | 06:49 |
| n800n | i just have a musician friend who uses hi ds for his stuff, keeps rubbing it in | 06:49 |
| n800n | hm i dunno | 06:50 |
| TheFool | I have never gotten to use one so I wouldn't know, what makes it so bad? | 06:50 |
| n800n | i haven't used the n810 at all really | 06:50 |
| n800n | times like this i wish i had keyboard | 06:51 |
| johnx | dunno, but I hear N810 users saying the N800's was actually better | 06:51 |
| n800n | i really love it | 06:51 |
| n800n | i'm getting wikipedia on sdict | 06:51 |
| n800n | i'll be the smartest guy around | 06:52 |
| johnx | oh totally. I love it for the most part | 06:52 |
| johnx | that's why the small things drive me crazy :) | 06:52 |
| n800n | also building an art history db to have on it | 06:52 |
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| n800n | it's my geeky dream come through | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | 'true' | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:53 |
| n800n | it's nice to have a community | 06:53 |
| johnx | yeah, things are coming along nicely in terms of 3rd party software these days | 06:54 |
| johnx | the influx of ex-zaurus users is definitely nice :) | 06:54 |
| n800n | it seems like a lot of people have been wanting something like this for awhile | 06:54 |
| n800n | yesh | 06:54 |
| n800n | different interests | 06:54 |
| johnx | the more the merrier | 06:55 |
| n800n | pfffft. nintendo ds. | 06:55 |
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| NullM0dem | i cant wait to get mine, been playing with the SDK for a while now | 06:55 |
| n800n | i wanna install the palm emu but my gf's favorite game is alchemy and she's gonna hog it. | 06:56 |
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| johnx | that's ok, the palm emu only runs in a little section of the screen. I used it for all of 5 minutes before I gave up | 06:56 |
| n800n | awesome | 06:56 |
| n800n | hehe | 06:56 |
| johnx | NullM0dem, that's cool. what are you planning to use it for? | 06:57 |
| NullM0dem | a few things, i have always wanted a small ebook reader. | 06:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I love mine for that. | 06:58 |
| NullM0dem | nothing has been able to provide that | 06:58 |
| smackpotato | reading books is great | 06:58 |
| NullM0dem | mostly i want to develop, im buying a small embedded arm board and would like to play with home automation etc | 06:59 |
| smackpotato | cool | 06:59 |
| johnx | yeah, the N800 is a nice chunk of hardware for a good price | 06:59 |
| n800n | i feel guilty when running only fbreader, i have to have at least canola in the backround. feels like playing solitaire on a supercomputer | 06:59 |
| johnx | heh | 07:00 |
| NullM0dem | feels that responsive? | 07:00 |
| n800n | i meant it's a fast machine | 07:00 |
| n800n | have seen enigma? | 07:01 |
| NullM0dem | i was looking at the n810, but im still deciding | 07:01 |
| n800n | great graphics | 07:01 |
| NullM0dem | i love that game, ive played for a few years now | 07:01 |
| n800n | it looks beautiful on this screen | 07:01 |
| NullM0dem | I set my grandmother up with it using a mini-itx and her HDTV | 07:01 |
| NullM0dem | keeps her mind working | 07:01 |
| NullM0dem | ;-) | 07:01 |
| n800n | nice hehe | 07:01 |
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| NullM0dem | Im staying with her for awhile to help her out, I plan on using the small arm board to monitor the house for her, as well as serve media. | 07:02 |
| n800n | is she immobilized in some way? | 07:03 |
| NullM0dem | anyways I want the interface to run well on the nokia, I may add onto or modify misterhouse | 07:03 |
| n800n | are are just a little tyranical | 07:03 |
| NullM0dem | no not at all, just starting to loose her memory, like forgetting what lights are on if the doors locked etc | 07:03 |
| n800n | ah | 07:04 |
| n800n | very cool of you, nice project | 07:04 |
| NullM0dem | have you seen misterhouse? | 07:04 |
| n800n | no | 07:04 |
| NullM0dem | old project | 07:04 |
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| NullM0dem | http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ | 07:04 |
| NullM0dem | I want to make a frontend that will run under maemo | 07:05 |
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| n800n | sweetness | 07:06 |
| NullM0dem | heres the embedded board, http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 | 07:06 |
| NullM0dem | thats part of it | 07:06 |
| n800n | it's from he future | 07:06 |
| NullM0dem | heh | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a company that distributes the N800 as a $3000 home remote. | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall where their website is, though. | 07:06 |
| NullM0dem | wha | 07:07 |
| NullM0dem | thier nuts | 07:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's for their proprietary home control system. | 07:07 |
| NullM0dem | yep, i could do that too. but...... | 07:07 |
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| NullM0dem | My system will eventually sync your cars media player to your house server | 07:07 |
| NullM0dem | when you park | 07:07 |
| NullM0dem | ill make it all open too :-P | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's another company that distributes the 770 as a $3500 wifi security device. ;) | 07:08 |
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| n800n | no, YOUR house server. | 07:08 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 07:08 |
| NullM0dem | alittle of both | 07:08 |
| NullM0dem | muhahhha | 07:08 |
| n800n | hehe | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm waiting for the day when that sort of seamless syncing, control, etc is both easy to use and set up and stable. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the time being it's just clunky and painful. | 07:09 |
| NullM0dem | im working on it with off the shelf parts and some OSS | 07:09 |
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| NullM0dem | true | 07:09 |
| johnx | it's possible to get it working nicely on a case-by-case basis | 07:09 |
| johnx | but generalizing it has hard | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 07:10 |
| johnx | s/has/is/ | 07:10 |
| infobot | johnx meant: but generalizing it is hard | 07:10 |
| NullM0dem | was just typing that | 07:10 |
| NullM0dem | wow a grammer bot | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm picturing a point where your car, your home, your mobile, etc are all running similar stuff. | 07:10 |
| NullM0dem | ARM based i would suspect | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cars, I believe, are a particularly long way from that point. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is unfortunate | 07:11 |
| johnx | for closed source cars, maybe | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | because a good carputer could do some pretty badass stuff. | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like using the mobile to set the seat and mirror position, set the radio stations, climate control and driving preferences, etc. :D | 07:12 |
| NullM0dem | sure could, most mainstream crap is overpriced and has very little funtionality | 07:12 |
| johnx | ah, one of *those* cars :/ | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the matter with those cars, johnx? | 07:12 |
| NullM0dem | with some damn good authentication mind you... | 07:12 |
| johnx | I'll move my own seat into position if it saves 40lbs | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 07:13 |
| johnx | same with climate control | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 07:13 |
| * johnx likes his cars as close to 1 ton as possible | 07:13 | |
| NullM0dem | well if you have multiple people driving, the mobile will upload the profile before you get in.... | 07:13 |
| NullM0dem | big faimlys etc | 07:13 |
| johnx | and with the *least amount of fancy $%# that's likely to break badly* | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | A new Camry could manage all that pretty easily with a little hacking. | 07:14 |
| NullM0dem | Im more in to ghetto engineering, mad scientist methods using junk :) | 07:14 |
| johnx | :D | 07:14 |
| johnx | me too | 07:14 |
| johnx | I used to have a caddy loading computer cd-rom drive hooked up to computer speakers in my 82 honda accord(ian) | 07:15 |
| NullM0dem | arm seems like a good platform to hack around with, i want o get my feet wet with some assembly etc | 07:15 |
| johnx | ARM is a great platform, and now it's rather well supported in Linux | 07:15 |
| johnx | have you looked at the Linux support for the ARM9 board you're looking at? | 07:16 |
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| NullM0dem | yep, it ships with debian | 07:19 |
| johnx | very cool | 07:19 |
| johnx | and the hardware support in the kernel is actually open source? | 07:19 |
| NullM0dem | the thing i dont like about it is that the FPGA is used for hardware funtions such as the SD card. so its not 100% free | 07:20 |
| NullM0dem | most of it is i believe, im still trying to filter out the marketting crap, you do need some of their modules to work with it | 07:20 |
| NullM0dem | there is a sound card module, and various other pc104 addons. im not certain on the full linux support | 07:21 |
| johnx | well it will be mostly static once you put it in place, right? | 07:22 |
| NullM0dem | yep | 07:22 |
| NullM0dem | I think they also charge for linux support, which only motivates me to hack it :) | 07:23 |
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| NullM0dem | this is a cool addon | 07:27 |
| NullM0dem | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-GSM1# | 07:27 |
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| RST38h | Real mad scientists do not use PC104 boards! | 07:29 |
| NullM0dem | heh, owned | 07:29 |
| RST38h | Real mad scientists use deadly laser beams and steam engines | 07:30 |
| RST38h | bzzt | 07:30 |
| NullM0dem | :) | 07:30 |
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| NullM0dem | anyone know of a mini-usb to serial adapter? | 07:31 |
| RST38h | There is plenty | 07:31 |
| RST38h | All of them are basically built on the same chipset though | 07:31 |
| NullM0dem | ok | 07:31 |
| NullM0dem | would they work with the nokia n8*0 series? | 07:32 |
| johnx | hmm, I thought I heard someone trying that | 07:32 |
| johnx | have you looked on internettablettalk.com/forums ? | 07:32 |
| RST38h | Somebody made it work with ITT | 07:33 |
| NullM0dem | new link for me, im still datamining this stuff :) | 07:33 |
| RST38h | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13059 | 07:33 |
| NullM0dem | ah, i was here today | 07:33 |
| NullM0dem | perfect! thanks | 07:34 |
| NullM0dem | is this pretty much the authoritive site? | 07:34 |
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| johnx | the maemo-developers mailing list has some good stuff sometimes | 07:35 |
| johnx | but itt seem to be the main web-forums | 07:35 |
| NullM0dem | im registering :) | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although it's been trending more and more towards whiny whitenoise these days. :< | 07:39 |
| johnx | meh, it's pretty good for a largeish web forum | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Comcast | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fun when the web crawls most of the time. . . . | 07:41 |
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| johnx | the next couple years will be interesting in terms of Internet infrastructure | 07:41 |
| johnx | I'm looking forward to it :D | 07:41 |
| NullM0dem | so i joined right after the waves of noobs swarmed in. oh great!! | 07:42 |
| johnx | nah, n00bs have been swarming in for a year now. It's not really all that much worse now than 6 months ago | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lot worse than 8 months ago, though. :P | 07:43 |
| johnx | fair enough | 07:43 |
| johnx | but there's lots more cool 3rd party stuff too | 07:43 |
| johnx | ignore the newbies, enjoy the software | 07:43 |
| NullM0dem | google has changed alot in the past 8 years, you could goto google.com/linux and find what you needed on the first 2 pages | 07:44 |
| NullM0dem | now its hell | 07:44 |
| NullM0dem | too commercial and ubuntu related | 07:44 |
| johnx | google tips for nokia tablets: add one or more of maemo, chinook, os2008 to your search | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo will get you what you're after 90% of the time. | 07:45 |
| NullM0dem | i have found more info using maemo than just n800 | 07:45 |
| johnx | and the -site:foo.com and -ubuntu tags help | 07:45 |
| NullM0dem | they do | 07:45 |
| johnx | ah, web searches: just another new command line to learn | 07:46 |
| johnx | especially on google | 07:46 |
| NullM0dem | it changes alot | 07:46 |
| NullM0dem | alot of the abscure linux hobby sites have dropped | 07:47 |
| johnx | hmm? google or the content? | 07:47 |
| NullM0dem | content, or google indexing the content | 07:47 |
| johnx | it's just like using the find command on someone else's computer | 07:47 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google has been getting worse and worse. | 07:48 |
| johnx | seems fine from where I'm sitting | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to go back to when it was just a geek tool and everybody wasn't trying as hard as they possibly could to spam it. | 07:48 |
| johnx | but maybe I've been compensating with better google-fu | 07:48 |
| NullM0dem | heh, i should get better google fu | 07:48 |
| NullM0dem | it was decent in the late 90's | 07:48 |
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| johnx | I didn't actually hear about it until the early 2000's so I was late to the party | 07:49 |
| johnx | in the late 90's I was probably still using hotbot | 07:49 |
| NullM0dem | i could type linux on blah or netbsd on fu, and have dozens of usefull links without all the commercial crap | 07:49 |
| NullM0dem | i used dogpile for awhile | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | They don't seem to care as much about spam anymore. | 07:50 |
| johnx | well the whole net has changed. The only part that really makes me sad is the stuff that's not just annoying, but purely evil and makes people not trust each other | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | hotbot, altavista, dogpile, yahoo | 07:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's funny all the defunct search engines. | 07:50 |
| NullM0dem | i hear you johnx | 07:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Domain parkers need to die in a horrible fire. | 07:51 |
| NullM0dem | my dad had his debit info ripped out of IE | 07:51 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 07:51 |
| NullM0dem | Alot of OSS related sites just dissapeard over domain parking | 07:51 |
| johnx | domain parkers, spammers: annoying / malware, ID theft: evil | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Spam websites that pretend to be useful so they show up in all sorts of google searches to generate clicks need to die. | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fucking Comcast | 07:52 |
| johnx | at least domain sampling got axed (IIRC) | 07:52 |
| NullM0dem | where can you find these domain parkers, they seem to all use the same template and header images too | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I shut off bittorrent and the connection starts going again. | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | NullM0dem, maybe they're all in the same place and we can just glass it. | 07:53 |
| NullM0dem | eh | 07:53 |
| NullM0dem | im with you | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The connection at my parents house makes Comcast feel like dialup. <_< | 07:53 |
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| NullM0dem | we can use a small army of n800's to create a mesh around the building | 07:54 |
| NullM0dem | i used comcast last year and moved, it was horrible | 07:54 |
| johnx | and slowly cook them with wifi? | 07:55 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 07:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:55 |
| johnx | -pew- -pew- | 07:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm still going with fire | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | nuclear fire | 07:55 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 07:55 |
| NullM0dem | that girl with the backpack on some of those is kind of cute | 07:55 |
| NullM0dem | heh | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a bunch of WRT54Gs to "overclock" to 300mW? ;) | 07:55 |
| johnx | I still wonder if there is a good technical solution to the problem | 07:55 |
| RST38h | Our network provider actually ENCOURAGES p2p | 07:56 |
| johnx | maybe regulations on one person/company owning more than x domain names? | 07:56 |
| RST38h | Hundreds of people with "stuff" they share with other network users is its selling point | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a "usefulness" metric. | 07:56 |
| johnx | too subjective | 07:56 |
| NullM0dem | i lost a few domains last year, no more than 8 hours and it was gone | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | If a website isn't useful, then the domain lease is revoked. | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we can revoke microsoft.com | 07:56 |
| NullM0dem | and novel | 07:57 |
| RST38h | that should cause cnn.com revokation | 07:57 |
| johnx | the trick is to phrase things in such a way that Microsoft/IBM/Novell are backing the idea | 07:57 |
| johnx | that's how you get results | 07:57 |
| NullM0dem | yep | 07:57 |
| johnx | now that Microsoft has come out against software patents we might see some progress for example | 07:57 |
| johnx | it's all about enlightened self interest | 07:58 |
| RST38h | "Revoke domains that are not using IIS"? | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:58 |
| RST38h | or, WebSphere! | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta take the money out of domain parking. | 07:58 |
| RST38h | raise registration fees tenfold | 07:59 |
| johnx | right, then I would definitely drop my domain | 07:59 |
| NullM0dem | revoke non IIS domaons are you nuts? | 07:59 |
| RST38h | I am. So? | 07:59 |
| NullM0dem | :P | 07:59 |
| NullM0dem | i dont think many tun on IIS these days | 07:59 |
| johnx | how about $10 to own one domain or $40 to own two, $160 to own three, etc | 08:00 |
| * KotCzarny calls squirrel squad to take care of nutts | 08:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | They'd just have different entities register each domain. | 08:00 |
| RST38h | should have an awful lot of entities | 08:01 |
| johnx | right, but the idea is to make it prohibitively expensive to own too many | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | legislating it is the wrong approach, anyway. | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | domains should be banned | 08:01 |
| johnx | eventually you start hitting a lot of beurocratic (sp KotCzarny?) overhead | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | go ips! | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | especially go ipv6 ips! | 08:02 |
| ralann | i own 6 domains that i actively use | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | i 'own' one | 08:03 |
| johnx | right but the only way domain parking makes sense is by owning hundreds | 08:03 |
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| johnx | meh, maybe some alternative opensource DNS structure will actually take off eventually (I know they exist, but they definitely haven't reached critical mass) | 08:04 |
| ralann | i actually have one that i don't appear to use but i use it for an email hole | 08:04 |
| ds3 | nah... google needs to clean up their database or just die | 08:06 |
| NullM0dem | who the hell is this guy, ive been nullmodem since 98 http://www.nullmodem.org/jeffm | 08:07 |
| NullM0dem | :P | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jeff S. Morris | 08:07 |
| RST38h | NM: Investor, Entrepreneur, Technology Consultant | 08:07 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Invest, Entreperneur, Technology Consultant . . . duh | 08:08 |
| RST38h | Probably fixes PCs too | 08:08 |
| johnx | wow, he actually put that he has an A+ | 08:08 |
| NullM0dem | yep, he's admins domain controller's | 08:08 |
| johnx | I'd be kind of embarassed of that | 08:08 |
| NullM0dem | for active directory | 08:08 |
| NullM0dem | yeah, this is an example of bad use | 08:08 |
| RST38h | SENIOR WEB SITE DEVELOPER | 08:08 |
| NullM0dem | haha | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't senior live they days in senior houses? | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | and don't mess with THE internet? | 08:09 |
| RST38h | ADMINISTRATIVE TEMP | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | *seniors | 08:09 |
| NullM0dem | it means he still makes pages that look like they are hosted on geocities | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | *their | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | doh. | 08:09 |
| johnx | ah geocities | 08:09 |
| johnx | and the blink and marquee tags | 08:10 |
| * johnx feels no nostalgia | 08:10 | |
| RST38h | NORTH QUINCY, MASS: Wednesday, April 5, 2000: Jeff Morris, President of the Xensei Corporation, announced today that they have reached a service level milestone that will allow them to begin rolling out high-availability web hosting, an emerging service level that has now become business-critical for eCommerce. | 08:11 |
| RST38h | web hosting... | 08:11 |
| johnx | high-availability as opposed to low-availability? | 08:12 |
| johnx | do I smell a niche market? | 08:12 |
| RST38h | The Renaissance Geek: From wiring servers to cutting wood, Morris is the MAN | 08:12 |
| NullM0dem | haha | 08:12 |
| johnx | "Come, get your low-availability web hosting! Lower availability drives demand from users!" | 08:12 |
| TheFool | I love his recommendations page http://www.nullmodem.org/jeffm/recommendation-ethanallen.php lol | 08:12 |
| NullM0dem | wow | 08:13 |
| NullM0dem | i was going to buy nullm0dem.org but a typo would humiliate me | 08:13 |
| WormFood | 1/2 of the domains I own have "fuck" in their names ;) | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Do you own 2 domains? | 08:14 |
| WormFood | I own 4 | 08:14 |
| WormFood | I have fuckyourcomputer.net and jesusfuckinchrist.com | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Oh, the horror | 08:15 |
| RST38h | How did they allow you to get these? | 08:15 |
| WormFood | I just register them like any other domain | 08:16 |
| NullM0dem | nice jesusfuckingchrist.com must be worth something | 08:16 |
| WormFood | NullM0dem, no "g" | 08:16 |
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| WormFood | as in "Jesus fuckin' christ!" | 08:16 |
| NullM0dem | still though, my friend's nickname is red, back in the mid 90's he joked about buying red.com. it sold a few years back for 25 million | 08:17 |
| NullM0dem | dumbass | 08:17 |
| RST38h | fuck-in-christ also sounds good | 08:17 |
| NullM0dem | it was free too when he looked into it | 08:17 |
| WormFood | wow! | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:17 |
| johnx | yeah, but no one saw this coming | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | there is one with g too | 08:17 |
| WormFood | I'm not doing anything interesting with my sites | 08:18 |
| TheFool | I wish registering subdomains was easier and cheaper/free. Ghalleck.com would be nice but I would take halleck.foo.com without any qualms | 08:18 |
| johnx | I remember seeing a kellogg's cereal truck with frostedflakes.com printed on the side in the late 90's and thinking how ridiculous it was for a cereal company to even bother having a website | 08:18 |
| WormFood | I used to have "oink.pig.net" at one time ;) | 08:18 |
| johnx | TheFool, well just talk to someone who owns the domain foo.com then... | 08:19 |
| NullM0dem | sounds like a snort sensor :) | 08:19 |
| WormFood | my ISP was "pig.net" (praxis information group)....and they let me host a server there.....so I quickly thought of "oink" as my host name | 08:19 |
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| KotCzarny | pig.net seems parked too | 08:21 |
| johnx | :/ | 08:21 |
| WormFood | now it is, but not back when I had that name in the late 90s | 08:21 |
| TheFool | johnx: Thats what I mean though, I wish there were more domains that would just give away subdomains or sell them super cheap. I don't want to have to contact some guy about it. | 08:21 |
| WormFood | wow...that was about 10 years ago | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | i think google should detect and refuse to index parked sites | 08:21 |
| RST38h | There are some domains like this | 08:21 |
| NullM0dem | I hate the OSS project parking | 08:21 |
| RST38h | dyndns comes to minf ;) | 08:21 |
| NullM0dem | phlack got parked, numerous others | 08:21 |
| TheFool | KotCzarny: google makes money off of those parked sites... | 08:22 |
| NullM0dem | phlak.. | 08:22 |
| KotCzarny | google is evil then? | 08:22 |
| NullM0dem | they do, sad enough | 08:22 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 08:22 |
| NullM0dem | its a grey area | 08:22 |
| TheFool | RST38h: I actually have a dyndns domain, I just wish there were more like that | 08:22 |
| johnx | TheFool, interested in foo.sheeplauncher.net ? | 08:23 |
| NullM0dem | I used to work for tzo which does dyndns as well | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | too long | 08:23 |
| NullM0dem | ill take it | 08:23 |
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| KotCzarny | sheepshagger.net ? | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | looks free | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | Sheep Shagger | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | Quality You Trust, Prices You Love. Deals On Sheep Shagger. | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | BizRate.com | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 08:23 |
| johnx | well, I already have sheeplauncher.net | 08:24 |
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| KotCzarny | Enjoy Savings & Selection On Sheep Shagger. | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | Shopzilla.com | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | A Sheep Shagger | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | Popular Brand Stores on CatalogLink. Request Free Catalogs Online. | 08:24 |
| johnx | stop spamming KotCzarny :P | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | i just love those auto generated ads | 08:24 |
| NullM0dem | anyone use scroogle scrapper? | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | btw. it's a spam from opendns.com | 08:25 |
| KotCzarny | but i prefer it over verizon spam | 08:25 |
| johnx | I'd rather just run my own DNS | 08:25 |
| TheFool | I used it for a bit, and sadly I preffered comcasts dns | 08:25 |
| johnx | it's not that hard | 08:25 |
| NullM0dem | http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm | 08:26 |
| NullM0dem | no adds same hits | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i know, but can tlds be contacted by anyone? | 08:26 |
| johnx | ? | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | to resolve a name you have to contact dns server, usually isp's or tld | 08:27 |
| KotCzarny | erm. | 08:27 |
| KotCzarny | s/tld/top level name server | 08:27 |
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| johnx | right, so on my network it goes: n800 queries my router's DNS, which queries the root servers and caches the answer | 08:27 |
| KotCzarny | or root ns | 08:27 |
| johnx | not that simple of course, the root points to the authoritative server for the domain, etc, etc | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: so i can put root ns into my local caching ns ? | 08:28 |
| johnx | I don't see why not | 08:29 |
| johnx | what server are you running? | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | pdnsd | 08:29 |
| g0ldfinGa | heres a question, I have a n800 running os2008, when I click on the icon at the top to connect to a wifi hotspot it shows none, but if I run airodump-ng wlan0 it shows about 5 I can connect to if they would show up in the list, why arent they showing up in it? | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Ams-ix.k.root-servers.net.jpg | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | blinkenlichts | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:30 |
| g0ldfinGa | nice | 08:31 |
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| KotCzarny | johnx: which root ns you recommend? | 08:31 |
| johnx | When I ran bind I just let it choose. I believe it knows about all of them | 08:31 |
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| johnx | I don't know how you'd setup pdnsd (am reading about it right now) | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | i know how to setup it | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | i only ask about which one is the best | 08:32 |
| johnx | dunno | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | from paranoid's view | 08:32 |
| johnx | they should always be the same | 08:33 |
| johnx | you could look up their uptime history | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | sure.. like i would trust verisign or .mil | 08:33 |
| NullM0dem | lol | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | h is aos.arl.army.mil | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:33 |
| johnx | Your paranoia is not my problem :P | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | g too | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | i will take f (ns.isc.org) | 08:34 |
| NullM0dem | that one osunds old | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | and i (nic.nordu.net) | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | k l m are good too (i think) | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | let's ping | 08:35 |
| NullM0dem | hping | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | hping2 | 08:36 |
| johnx | anyways all a root server does is tell you who has authority for the tld you queried them about | 08:36 |
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| johnx | so k.root-servers.net says go ask verisign about .com | 08:36 |
| johnx | etc, etc | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | i know, but i wasn't sure if it accepts any request (ie. not from isps) | 08:37 |
| johnx | it does, but you will *almost never* connect to it after the first request you send to it for *.com, *.net *.org *.cc | 08:37 |
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| johnx | make sure you set root_server=on in your config file, BTW :) | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | i know, i know | 08:38 |
| johnx | :) just making sure | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | and as for never connecting it depends on ttl | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:38 |
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| johnx | the ttl of .com...heh | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | cogent seems fast | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | Cogent believes it has grown to become the second largest carrier of Internet traffic in the world with over 15% of the world's Internet traffic crossing its network. | 08:40 |
| johnx | maybe I should run pdnsd on my wrt if it's small enough... | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, it is | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | but you will have to tune it's cache size | 08:40 |
| johnx | yeah, might not be worth it | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | because wrt is a little limited in this area | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | even 512kb of cache will benefit you | 08:40 |
| johnx | almost all my RAM is soaked up already and I'm already using dnsmasq | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 08:41 |
| johnx | if pdnsd is any bigger it will cut into the cache dnsmasq has more than it will help | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | ~652kb on my laptop | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | on arm/mips it should be 1/2 | 08:42 |
| johnx | RSS? or executable size? | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | rss | 08:42 |
| johnx | but that's it's cache too :P | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 246156 2006-08-18 17:55 /usr/local/sbin/pdnsd* | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | that's on x86 | 08:42 |
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| KotCzarny | statically compiled | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:43 |
| johnx | dnsmasq is half that size here on MIPS | 08:43 |
| johnx | I'm gonna go with "not bother" for now :) | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, if you compile it using uclibc libs | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | it will be much smaller | 08:44 |
| johnx | I have other, better projects to bang my head against a wall over :) | 08:44 |
| johnx | I'll keep it in mind for the next OS upgrade I do on my WRT though | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | you can test it without upgrading/flashing | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| johnx | I know but I don't feel like breaking things I don't need to on my router | 08:45 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Hi | 08:46 |
| johnx | hi | 08:46 |
| thatoneguy | hello | 08:46 |
| qwerty12 | hi | 08:47 |
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| KotCzarny | hi | 08:47 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s seems there is a margin in a hildon.Windows that doesn t exist in a gtk.Window ... do u know what property is it ? | 08:48 |
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| KotCzarny | erm. | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | g3 powerbook for a 600$ | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | some people are living in their minds | 08:54 |
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| johnx | old apple stuff retains a lot of value | 08:55 |
| qwerty12 | I've still got a old mac os hackintosh which I need to try out. | 08:55 |
| johnx | not *that much* though :) | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | like 400mhz cpu with 6gb hdd? | 08:55 |
| g0ldfinGa | I sold my g3 600mhz for $400 | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: install slackingtosh on it :) | 08:56 |
| johnx | the 6GB part is a bit of a stretch | 08:56 |
| johnx | anyways, people who buy old apples buy them for the "just works" part, not the specs/features | 08:56 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Nice :) | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | for just works i prefer 50$ p3 :) | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | (laptop) | 08:57 |
| johnx | yeah, but you're obviously not the target demographic | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. i'm different. | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | (not like that apple crowd) | 08:57 |
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| KotCzarny | m.python comes to mind | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:57 |
| g0ldfinGa | apples ftw | 08:57 |
| g0ldfinGa | I miss my macbook | 08:58 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, you're on IRC talking about embedded linux, I think that you don't count as the average computer user | 08:58 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | KotCzarny > it s the price i ve sell mine two months ago | 08:58 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, i'm too tall for average | 08:58 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | a G3 600 ibook | 08:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I had a macbook at my last job. I liked it for work, but I think I'll get a thinkpad that runs Linux well when I can afforda new laptop | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | khertan: powerbook. not ibook | 08:58 |
| g0ldfinGa | macbook ran linux fine | 08:59 |
| g0ldfinGa | and windows | 08:59 |
| g0ldfinGa | and osx | 08:59 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | not very well on linix | 08:59 |
| johnx | two things: pointing nub and two or three mouse buttons | 08:59 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | it s a real pain to make wifi working | 08:59 |
| g0ldfinGa | always worked right away for me | 09:00 |
| johnx | two mouse buttons are a requirement for any Linux laptop/desktop I buy | 09:00 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | what distribution do u use ? | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | 'you' | 09:00 |
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| g0ldfinGa | ubuntu | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | youbyountyou | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | (: | 09:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ve try it too | 09:01 |
| g0ldfinGa | new mac mighty mouse have one button but can right and left click | 09:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but was unable to make wifi working | 09:01 |
| johnx | ubuntu worked ok on the core duo macbook I had for work, but I didn't feel like messing around with it | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | so they finally gave up on 'one button per mouse' ? | 09:02 |
| johnx | a while ago KotCzarny. you missed it :P | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| g0ldfinGa | i has one button | 09:02 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | yes they gave up for four year at least | 09:02 |
| g0ldfinGa | but if you click on the left side it left clicks and right will right click | 09:02 |
| johnx | but the lack of two mouse buttons on the macbook makes it a deal breaker for me for linux purposes | 09:02 |
| * KotCzarny had very little exposure to apple products | 09:02 | |
| g0ldfinGa | ive had a ibook/emac/imac/macbook | 09:03 |
| * KotCzarny had mostly thinkpads | 09:03 | |
| g0ldfinGa | then a few sony vaios | 09:03 |
| qwerty12 | I've never used an Apple product in my life except once for school, where I had to make a crap animated v.short film. | 09:03 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i ve develloped many things on mac in the past | 09:04 |
| g0ldfinGa | the sound programs they make for the macs are amazing | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | openssh 5.0 | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 09:04 |
| johnx | yeah, bugfix release | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | anything serious? | 09:05 |
| johnx | a security thing with x forwarding IIRC | 09:05 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't use x forwarding | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | (i use regular port forwarding though) | 09:05 |
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| * Khertan_on_n810 try to understood how google api work on ermining to make sync in mCalendar | 09:09 | |
| Khertan_on_n810 | bye | 09:09 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 09:09 |
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| CptLaptop | lalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalal | 10:42 |
| ralann | wow, so profound | 10:42 |
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| * doc|home amazed | 10:42 | |
| * doc|home demands more! | 10:43 | |
| qwerty111 | I just shat my pants over that. | 10:43 |
| doc|home | wait, no, sleep, that's what I demand | 10:43 |
| * doc|home zZzZz | 10:43 | |
| KotCzarny | i didn't liked it.. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | but i'm different | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | as always | 10:43 |
| * CptLaptop bored | 10:44 | |
| CptLaptop | ive spent the last 1,5 horus making a sketch of my teacher in PS | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | naked? | 10:45 |
| qwerty111 | Hehe my N800 doesn't like xmodmap or xvkbd :/ | 10:46 |
| CptLaptop | no as rambo | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: if you have ran xkbd before it may leave x in b0rken state | 10:47 |
| CptLaptop | people stare at me when i read the local paper on my n800 as pdf...i hate technonoobs | 10:47 |
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| KotCzarny | in that case disable xtest extension in xvkbd until reboot | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:47 |
| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, Nope. dsme cannot read fd or something. It reboots my N800 :/ | 10:47 |
| qwerty111 | :( | 10:47 |
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| KotCzarny | how do you know it's kbd related? | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:48 |
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| qwerty111 | xmodmap does it as well, I'm not saying it's your program, I've used it before in a previous flash :), but I think they (xvkbd and xmodmap) share something that is making my dsme crash in this flash :) | 10:49 |
| qwerty111 | I get no messages from xmodmap or xvkbd. The only info I got was the dsme info which fits because my N800 reboots. | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | i can't think of anything related | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:50 |
| qwerty111 | Same here :). Ah well, that's life :p. | 10:50 |
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| Navi | hrm | 10:51 |
| Navi | hildon-desktop randomly crashed again :/ | 10:52 |
| qwerty111 | Some big thread on ITT about this. People in the end attributed it to modest and statusbar clock with alarms on and alarmd messing up. | 10:52 |
| Navi | Ah, that's probably it. | 10:52 |
| Navi | It started when I installed statusbar clock | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | statusbar clock works for me | 10:53 |
| qwerty111 | Do you have alarms enabled? | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | no random crashes | 10:53 |
| Navi | No :/ | 10:53 |
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| qwerty111 | That's odd. It's alarms that crash it. I'm using statusbar clock fine with no alarms enabled. | 10:53 |
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| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, I think I know why dsme is messing up. I'm using powerlaunch now. I'm gonna reboot into run level 5 soon which uses systemui and mce and see if it crashes there. | 10:54 |
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| CVirus | Does the N810 wifi chipset support monitor and promiscuous modes ? | 10:54 |
| * Navi needs to set up powerlaunch | 10:55 | |
| KotCzarny | i think i also use powerlaunch | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | it's that contacts icon replacement? | 10:56 |
| qwerty111 | The mpd config could do with some improvements. I made a few tweaks here and there to that file. | 10:56 |
| qwerty111 | KotCzarny, no | 10:56 |
| qwerty111 | mce and systemui replacement | 10:56 |
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| KotCzarny | ah, that's personal menu | 10:57 |
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| qwerty111 | fiferboy made some brilliant changes in his latest version | 10:57 |
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| qwerty111 | God, I love it when teaching unions strike. | 10:59 |
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| qwerty111 | Has anyone compiled xmms2? I'm looking for xmms replacements. I've got beep to compile but bad sound output. Audatious segfaults on me. | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i have saw somebody reporting it | 11:02 |
| johnx | http://nakkiboso.com/xmms2-chinook/ | 11:02 |
| qwerty111 | Thanks :) | 11:02 |
| johnx | solmumaha compiled it, thank him :) | 11:03 |
| qwerty111 | solmumaha, thanks | 11:03 |
| qwerty111 | :p | 11:03 |
| qwerty111 | :) | 11:03 |
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| omniscientx | Hi, I have a N770. How can I tell whether I'm running OS2006 or OS2007HE on it? | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | run: uname -a | 11:04 |
| qwerty111 | I pray. Or go to about in control panel. | 11:04 |
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| omniscientx | Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 | 11:05 |
| kulve | omniscientx: cat /etc/osso_software_version | 11:06 |
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| omniscientx | thanks | 11:12 |
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| Navi | How do you run powerlaunch? | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | Navi: it is configurable from Panels config dialog | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | Oh, wait, wrong program | 11:16 |
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| qwerty111 | Navi, Pressing the power button? | 11:16 |
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| nomis | moin. | 11:22 |
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| CVirus | How can I hook a GSM phone with the N810 using bluetooth ? | 11:32 |
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| nomis | I have troubles with the scratchbox stuff - after af-sb-init.sh start some vital plugins are missing - e.g. the control panel plugin to configure the items in the status bar. | 11:36 |
| nomis | Is there a known problem regarding this? | 11:36 |
| johnx | I think they're just included | 11:36 |
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| nomis | I am trying to build the status-bar example at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPluginHowto/ | 11:36 |
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| nomis | johnx: do I have to unpack them manually from somewhere? I am a bit at a loss. | 11:37 |
| nomis | (the example does not show up in the status bar and I have no clue what is going wrong) | 11:37 |
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| johnx | I'm afraid I don't know, but I remember the scratchbox image missing a lot of stuff | 11:38 |
| cLin | besides motion, is there any other motion capturing programs that uses the n800 webcam | 11:38 |
| CVirus | Can I run OpenMoko on the N810 ? | 11:38 |
| johnx | not easily, but if you felt like compiling and troubleshooting it might be possible | 11:40 |
| solmumaha | qwerty111: gxmms2 isn't very pretty and you should renice xmms2d a bit for smooth playback | 11:40 |
| johnx | and CVirus did you look in the control panel for the phone pairing wizard? | 11:40 |
| qwerty111 | solmumaha, thanks for that. I will try that out. | 11:40 |
| CVirus | johnx: I don't own an N810 yet | 11:41 |
| johnx | ah, ok, the first time you turn it on it will ask you to pair your phone | 11:41 |
| johnx | if you choose not to you can do it later through control panel | 11:41 |
| qwerty111 | If you pair a phone after that too via bluetooth applet, it asks if you want to set up this phone. | 11:41 |
| qwerty111 | Check out the internet tablet school, krisse wrote a great tutorial on it. | 11:42 |
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| cLin | or has anyone use motion on os2008? | 11:47 |
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| nomis | for some reason "apt-get update" inside scratchbox does not work. Duh. | 12:08 |
| qwerty111 | Works for me. | 12:09 |
| omnix- | is repository.maemo.org working for anyone? | 12:11 |
| omnix- | when i refresh the application catalog, it gets stuck on Downloading 5KB | 12:12 |
| johnx | ...taking a while here | 12:12 |
| johnx | it took a really long time before it sent me data but it worked | 12:13 |
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| nomis | or is repository.maemo.org just dead ATM? | 12:15 |
| johnx | yes, probably that | 12:16 |
| johnx | or very close to dead | 12:16 |
| X-Fade_ | nomis: It is very slow, we're already investigating it.. | 12:16 |
| nomis | ok then. | 12:16 |
| johnx | if you need any diagnostics run from here, just ask :) | 12:16 |
| nomis | I am just trying to reinstall my scratchbox from scratch, since I yesterday did not clean out the old installation. | 12:17 |
| * nomis needs to make the statusbar-clock work again... | 12:17 | |
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| X-Fade_ | repository should be better now? | 12:20 |
| qwerty111 | yep | 12:20 |
| qwerty111 | still a slight bit slow though. | 12:20 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah, probably the caching network starting up.. | 12:21 |
| nomis | yeah, I seem to get stuff now. | 12:24 |
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| Khertan | Hi ... again ... | 12:26 |
| qwerty111 | Hi | 12:27 |
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| johnx | anyone here know about the inner workings of sapwood? | 12:38 |
| johnx | specifically whether there might be any pitfalls into getting the chinook version running on an armv5te? | 12:39 |
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| nomis | mhm. should af-sb-init.sh stop have any visible effect? For some reason the desktop seems to continue running. | 12:58 |
| omnix- | anyone here have a Palm Centro + Nokia 770? | 12:58 |
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| johnx | nomis, it might just not be getting repainted | 12:59 |
| nomis | menus et all are working. | 12:59 |
| johnx | ah, well maybe it doesn't do anything then :) | 12:59 |
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| nomis | I really wonder whats wrong with the plugin system. Feels totally b0rk to me. | 13:00 |
| omnix- | I'm so stoked to have skype on 770 | 13:00 |
| johnx | nomis, there is a lot of stuff that they just don't ship with the SDK | 13:00 |
| johnx | I have no idea why | 13:00 |
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| nomis | johnx: how do I get it then? I have installed the proprietary stuff. | 13:01 |
| johnx | You could try to extract it from an actualy device firmware | 13:01 |
| nomis | oh you're referring to more proprietary stuff. | 13:02 |
| omnix- | does youtube work on 770/OS2007HE? | 13:02 |
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| nomis | I have the impression that I miss stuff that actually makes stuff work. | 13:02 |
| Veggen | don't think youtube work well anywhere. | 13:04 |
| Veggen | there is a youtube-downloader you can use to download the youtube locally, and then play it with mplayer. | 13:04 |
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| omnix- | does rdesktop have a virtual keyboard? | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you use xvkbd or xkbd.. :) | 13:11 |
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| omnix- | i ended up using window's built in on screen keyboard | 13:15 |
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| KotCzarny | that will work too | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:15 |
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| nomis | I get tons of "hildon-desktop[5951]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Plugin desktop file not found, ignoring plugin" | 13:18 |
| nomis | I wonder where it is looking for these. | 13:18 |
| omnix- | does OS2007HE support ajax? | 13:20 |
| johnx | in the opera web browser? yes, I believe so to a certain extent | 13:21 |
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| lcuk | KotCzarny, are you around still | 13:38 |
| anders_gud | johnx: Trying out your nice debian distro... Can't get the n810 hw keyboard to work, any hints? | 13:39 |
| johnx | did you already see the file to copy on the wiki? | 13:40 |
| johnx | it's in the status section I think | 13:40 |
| * johnx checks back | 13:40 | |
| johnx | and after that you might have to restart the x server and hildon-desktop | 13:41 |
| anders_gud | ok! I'll try, thanks! | 13:41 |
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| johnx | unfortunately I don't have an N810 to test with, but with a bit of poking my usb keyboard works on my n800 | 13:43 |
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| zuh | johnx: btw, you might be interested in http://git.pingu.fi/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=hald-addon-retu-adc.git for the N8x0-debian. It makes the battery show up in HAL so for example gnome-power-manager can show the battery status (even if it is pretty raw data currently, I haven't really made any processing for it yet) | 14:39 |
| robtaylor | zuh: very cool!! | 14:40 |
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| zuh | It's not, the values need to be polled :/ | 14:40 |
| robtaylor | zuh: you should poke guillem to get this included as standard. | 14:41 |
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| johnx | woo! thanks for the heads up | 14:41 |
| zuh | robtaylor: included where?-) | 14:41 |
| robtaylor | zuh: ah, hmm, i guess there's not really a way around that :/ | 14:42 |
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| robtaylor | zuh: next OSSO release | 14:42 |
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| robtaylor | zuh: just have a suitably long poll period, like 20 seconds | 14:44 |
| zuh | There would be, is someone (presumably bme or something) didn't reserve the user-side IRQ notifications... It doesn't matter a lot for the actual level (who cares if it updates only once per minute?). | 14:44 |
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| zuh | But for the charger connection indication it would be nice | 14:45 |
| robtaylor | zuh: yeah, that's true. There is the option of talking to bme. i believe its exposed on the system bus | 14:45 |
| johnx | either way, this is hot sauce! I knew I was right not to bother going poking around in the power/battery management code | 14:46 |
| zuh | I'm reading values once per minute, and averaging 10 samples taken over two seconds | 14:46 |
| robtaylor | zuh: yeah, i just took a proper look. That doesn't sound too bad at all. | 14:46 |
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| zuh | (10 samples over one second it seems, duh) | 14:48 |
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| zuh | robtaylor: And, if I could just talk to the bme, I wouldn't bother poking the cryptic values from some ADC registers :) | 14:52 |
| johnx | yeah, sometimes I really want to smack Nokia over some of this stuff :| | 14:53 |
| zuh | It _would_ be nice to know what the figures that it outputs actually mean, but fortunately for basic operation you just need to know approximate max and min values and current level | 14:57 |
| zuh | And since the data is not going to be too accurate anyway, a simple approach of "healthy", "low" and "go get the cable" -levels of battery state works for me | 14:58 |
| zuh | better than bubkus at least | 14:59 |
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| robtaylor | zuh: have you tried sniffing the system bus? | 15:04 |
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| soman | hii... im playing iradio using gnomevfssrc on N810... i want to retrieve the iradio-title property of the current playing track,,,, can anyone help me .... | 15:09 |
| soman | any pointers.... | 15:09 |
| robtaylor | soman: might be better asking on #gstreamer | 15:10 |
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| zuh | robtaylor: the point is that the thing forwarding stuff from bme to dbus isn't open, and there's no real point in using this on maemo since it already has battery management | 15:15 |
| zuh | The addon is intended for custom rootfs stuff. I don't know if one could tap in with the bme<->bme-dbus-proxy communication, but whatever it may be, I doubt it makes any more sense than the readings from retu without documentation | 15:19 |
| zuh | I don't even know how the two pieces communicate... | 15:19 |
| zuh | I'm not really interested either, I'll take undocumented open driver over undocumented proprietary software any day :P | 15:20 |
| johnx | I still have to log retu values on debian and see if it charges the same as under ITOS | 15:21 |
| johnx | Running KotCzarny's kcbatt it seems like it wasn't charging that fast (and sometimes was actually losing charge under heavy load), but I haven't done any scientific studies yet... | 15:22 |
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| jott | johnx: but bme from initfs was running i suppose?! | 15:24 |
| johnx | yup | 15:24 |
| johnx | it was mostly charging, I might have just caught it during a switch to heavy load | 15:25 |
| jott | hmm yeah i can't imagine the bme-dbus-proxy does something special but talking to the bme socket and translating this to dbus | 15:26 |
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| jott | and it would be really sick if the battery statusbar did something to change charging behaviour | 15:27 |
| johnx | heh | 15:27 |
| johnx | I'm not that paranoid | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | ouch ... look at this : WILLCOM D4 (WS016SH SHARP) | 16:38 |
| Khertan | it s the size of an n8xx with the power of an umpc ! | 16:38 |
| Khertan | http://blog.geekstuff4u.com/index.php?2008/04/15/16-willcom-d4-sharp-ws016sh-after-hands-on-we-sell-it-and-you-can-buy-it-full-review-soon | 16:39 |
| fysa | wow. if you disable auto-update and fix the cache, Minefield starts up as fast as Microb. | 16:39 |
| Khertan | hum ... microb isn't really fast to start | 16:40 |
| n800n | pricey | 16:42 |
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| johnx | Khertan, pricey, lots bigger, and will almost certainly have poor battery life | 16:43 |
| inz | johnx, and ugly | 16:43 |
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| Navi | D4s are so expensive | 16:47 |
| jott | and huge: http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/12348-WILLCOM-D4-WS016SH-SHARP-vs-Nokia-N810 | 16:48 |
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| Navi | Eh | 16:48 |
| Navi | Size is okay | 16:48 |
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| jott | no way will this fit in my pocket | 16:49 |
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| Navi | Yeah, it won't | 16:49 |
| Navi | but if I get it, I wouldn't get it to replace my N800 | 16:49 |
| jott | so i can take a eee or hp mini in the first place | 16:50 |
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| jott | and save loads of bucks :) | 16:50 |
| Navi | HP minis are expensive for what you get | 16:50 |
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| jott | its ok if you take the cheap linux models | 16:51 |
| jott | esp. compared to umpc prices | 16:52 |
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| Navi | I'm spoiled | 16:53 |
| Navi | I'll probably never be able to push myself to buy a full laptop | 16:54 |
| jott | heh | 16:54 |
| * johnx hugs his collection of arm-linux devices | 16:54 | |
| Navi | Too much bulk and power to do simple tasks | 16:54 |
| johnx | the eee pricerange of mini-laptops are great for your average linux user | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Toshiba R500 | 16:55 |
| RST38h | 1kg, 0.76", runs XP or Vista | 16:56 |
| Navi | price? | 16:56 |
| Navi | :P | 16:56 |
| johnx | but that's a totally different class of machine | 16:56 |
| RST38h | Something like $1800 I guess | 16:56 |
| johnx | $1700+ says google | 16:56 |
| johnx | and a 12" screen | 16:56 |
| RST38h | If you want a laptop, buy yourself a laptop | 16:57 |
| johnx | exactly | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | Why buy cheaper replacements like EEE? | 16:57 |
| johnx | and if all you need is a $500 "internet terminal" why spend $1700 | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | otoh if you want a cheap mini-laptop, buy yourself a cheap mini-laptop | 16:57 |
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| johnx | like I said, a whole different class of machine | 16:57 |
| RST38h | It will still be a laptop though | 16:57 |
| RST38h | I.e. too big to carry in your pocket, have to open it to work, etc | 16:58 |
| Navi | johnx, u haxxored ur eee? | 16:58 |
| RST38h | So, why not just pay the full price and buy the real thing, especially considering that it is about the same size? | 16:58 |
| johnx | still a laptop yeah, just like a honda civic and a ferrari are both cars... | 16:58 |
| johnx | Navi, no eee here :) | 16:59 |
| Navi | Oh, really? | 16:59 |
| RST38h | EEE vs Toshiba is more like Yugo vs Honda Civic | 16:59 |
| Navi | I saw engadget mention a "johnx" :/ | 16:59 |
| johnx | RST38h, let's see "Why not spend $1200 you don't have to?" | 16:59 |
| johnx | Navi, probably a different johnx. | 16:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: Bigger screen for example | 16:59 |
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| Navi | Someone steallz0rz ur name | 16:59 |
| fysa | I set my Minefield home to Google Reader and just use it for that.. it runs much more responsively. | 16:59 |
| Navi | RST38h, and if the bigger screen is undesirable? | 17:00 |
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| johnx | RST38h, right which is fine if a bigger screen and faster CPU is worth $1200 | 17:00 |
| johnx | to you | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Navi: I can't think of a situation where bigger screen is undesirable (with the same external size) | 17:00 |
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| Navi | If it costs 1200 extra, yeah. | 17:00 |
| fysa | MSI Wind | 17:00 |
| johnx | it's all a question of priorities. Would I rather have an 8" screen and $1200 or a 12" screen | 17:01 |
| johnx | $1200 buys a lot of beer... | 17:01 |
| jott | well i think in dpi not in inch .. | 17:01 |
| Navi | It buys a lot of internets | 17:01 |
| fysa | http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=194 | 17:01 |
| elb | or an M14 | 17:01 |
| fysa | HP Mini-style keyboard without the VIA | 17:01 |
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| fysa | 8.9" 1024x600 instead of 1280x768 though. | 17:02 |
| johnx | Navi, good point actually. $1200 would go a long way towards unlimited 3G data for a year or two at least... | 17:02 |
| elb | the real point is, all these mini everythings get craptastic battery life, because x86 is a craptastic platform | 17:02 |
| elb | maybe they'll be interesting in a few years :-P | 17:02 |
| johnx | ^truth^ | 17:02 |
| Navi | My parent's laptop's battery is almost dead | 17:03 |
| fysa | MSI Wind is Atom.. | 17:03 |
| Navi | it can run 10 minutes on a full charge \o/ | 17:03 |
| Navi | anyways, I'm out | 17:03 |
| johnx | the 9cell in my old toshiba P4 beater laptop is almost toast as well | 17:03 |
| fysa | http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1440 | 17:03 |
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| jott | hm this msi thingy seems to have microsoft taxes | 17:04 |
| johnx | hyperthreading is all well and good, except when it actually makes things slower... | 17:05 |
| fysa | MSI or not, June is when the Atom-based chipsets start rolling out.. | 17:05 |
| jott | still an modern arm based notebook would be nice | 17:05 |
| fysa | and will get you the biggest performance/battery boosts | 17:05 |
| elb | we'll see | 17:05 |
| * elb bets it'll be more craptastic x86 battery "boost" | 17:06 | |
| elb | "woo woo 4 whole hours!" | 17:06 |
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| fysa | 4 hours would be spectacular compared to the 2 you can expect now. | 17:06 |
| elb | and still worthless | 17:07 |
| fysa | why worthless? | 17:07 |
| fysa | it's not like you need to keep it awake all the time in your pocket. | 17:07 |
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| elb | yes, but any time you wake it up you're thinking "oh hmmm do I really want to do this ... when is my next charge?" | 17:08 |
| elb | x86 is simply an inappropriate platform for mobile devices, at least with state of the art technology | 17:08 |
| elb | I'd love to see the G3-era PowerPC resurrected on modern fabrication for laptops | 17:08 |
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| elb | or the return of ARM laptops | 17:09 |
| fysa | yes, and it's only a matter of time before it is appropriate. regardless of the level of appropriateness, Atom is the first valid play by Intel into this space. | 17:09 |
| RST38h | Atom-based stuff will be bigger, more expensive, and more power hungry than ARM | 17:10 |
| fysa | definitely | 17:10 |
| fysa | without a doubt | 17:10 |
| RST38h | And the only advantage you get is the ability to run Microsoft Office | 17:10 |
| fysa | you get Ubuntu Mobile | 17:10 |
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| elb | I was all pumped up when Intel bought ARM that they might start pushing it for mobile devices | 17:10 |
| RST38h | So, I do not see what everybody is so excited about | 17:10 |
| fysa | and the ability to run everything without hacking assembler. | 17:11 |
| RST38h | What does Ubuntu Mobile do that Maemo does not? | 17:11 |
| johnx | it's not like you can't just compile ubuntu mobile for arm | 17:11 |
| johnx | it's 90%+ Debian | 17:11 |
| fysa | open? | 17:11 |
| RST38h | What does it open? | 17:11 |
| johnx | his point is that it is open | 17:11 |
| fysa | honestly, I only care about being able to access the standard Ubuntu repos. | 17:12 |
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| RST38h | I asked what it does, not what it is | 17:12 |
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| fysa | it gives us back control, what the hell else does it do? | 17:12 |
| johnx | I care a lot more about the open-ness of the hardware anyways | 17:12 |
| fysa | this isn't a religious war. | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Is that all it does? | 17:12 |
| fysa | Atom is catching up to where ARM is now. ARM is going to advance themselves. | 17:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, all open source *anywhere* does is give the user control | 17:13 |
| elb | it offers approximately 6.02*10^23 times more immediately installable packages | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Well, as a user I don't care about control | 17:13 |
| RST38h | I have enough control with Maemo | 17:13 |
| fysa | it's just about the packages and ease of grabbing/compiling anything x86 | 17:13 |
| fysa | jesus christ | 17:13 |
| fysa | good. | 17:13 |
| fysa | I'm glad someone is happy with that. | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Ok, let us say I compile GIMP for Ubuntu Mobile | 17:14 |
| RST38h | How useful is it going to be on a 6" screen? | 17:14 |
| fysa | 'just for Microsoft apps' | 17:14 |
| elb | depends on what you need it for | 17:14 |
| fysa | useful enough | 17:14 |
| fysa | useful as it would be on any ARM machine of that same size | 17:14 |
| elb | only not for as long ;-) | 17:14 |
| elb | "it's opening ... hmmm crap battery died" | 17:15 |
| fysa | right | 17:15 |
| fysa | haha | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Yes, but why would I want stuff like this on a 6" screen? | 17:15 |
| Khertan | it s a 5"Screen | 17:15 |
| fysa | obviously you wouldn;t | 17:15 |
| fysa | so I don't even know why you ask. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | [aside from it being "open" - I don't care whether it is open or closed] | 17:15 |
| elb | I'd love to have urxvt on my 6" screen | 17:15 |
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| fysa | I use my N800 to upload from digital camera to flickr. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | fysa: But I hope you see my point now? | 17:15 |
| fysa | no, you have NO point. your point is purely based on personal preferene. | 17:16 |
| fysa | preference. | 17:16 |
| fysa | my point is based on the obvious advance of technology. | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Ok, I guess I will have ot spell it out | 17:16 |
| fysa | x86 is a virus. | 17:16 |
| fysa | I don't care what you think about openness. | 17:16 |
| fysa | Or whether GIMP is useful. | 17:16 |
| fysa | Propellerheads Reason. | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | My point is that if you are not an "open source advocate" and not a Linux hacker, then it makes no difference whether you have got Maemo or Ubuntu Mobile | 17:16 |
| fysa | I would love to be able to run this in my pocket and connect it to a USB keyboard. | 17:16 |
| Atarii | has anyone got kismet working on 2008os? | 17:17 |
| fysa | it makes EVEN MORE DIFFERENCE! | 17:17 |
| fysa | think of how many more emulators and games we would have with x86. | 17:17 |
| fysa | more quickly. | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Not really | 17:17 |
| fysa | everything matters. | 17:17 |
| fysa | we would have webkit already. | 17:17 |
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| elb | and think of how fast that battery could die under gaming load ;-) | 17:17 |
| fysa | we would have a usable firefox already. | 17:17 |
| fysa | yes, it will all die sooner. | 17:17 |
| RST38h | And we do not have a usable firefox at the oment? | 17:17 |
| elb | platform isn't holding back firefox | 17:17 |
| elb | hildon might be | 17:17 |
| RST38h | MicroB is quite usable | 17:18 |
| fysa | liar. | 17:18 |
| elb | RST38h: and it's not firefox | 17:18 |
| fysa | but it will have more chance of being a 'portable' desktop. | 17:18 |
| RST38h | And there is upcoming Fennec | 17:18 |
| jani | does ubuntu mobile run on N8X0 ? | 17:18 |
| elb | who is a liar? | 17:18 |
| fysa | with portable x86, I can plug it into my monitor and a keyboard. | 17:18 |
| elb | are you suggesting that firefox doesn't compile and run on ARM? | 17:18 |
| fysa | <RST38h> MicroB is quite usable | 17:18 |
| Veggen | microb uses a whopping amount of 200MB+ virtual ram at times, for me. | 17:18 |
| fysa | I am using Minefield now, elb. | 17:18 |
| Veggen | ...which is a wee bit too much. | 17:18 |
| RST38h | elb: well, it uses the same engine, can run some of the extensions, so for all practical purposes it is firefox :) | 17:18 |
| fysa | Because it loads faster and uses comparative memory to MicroB. | 17:18 |
| elb | are you suggesting that ARM isn't capable of running USB devices or external displays? | 17:18 |
| fysa | with the standard bullshit interface. | 17:18 |
| RST38h | fysa: And you can't plug ARM into your monitor and keyboard? | 17:19 |
| fysa | of course not, but coincidentally, x86 can run the exact same OS that I would otherwise use on the desktop. | 17:19 |
| elb | don't confuse "the nokia internet tablets" with "the arm architecture", nor "some umpc" with "the x86 architecture" | 17:19 |
| elb | RST38h: actually, for *my* practical purposes, it doesn't run an extension I need and use | 17:19 |
| RST38h | fysa: So, you want Atom to run Windows? | 17:19 |
| elb | RST38h: (PwdHash) | 17:19 |
| fysa | there's no reason I couldn't run regular Ubuntu on the x86 and plug it into my desktop with the same $HOME as Ubuntu Mobile in mobile mode. | 17:19 |
| fysa | sorry, plug it into my monitor as a desktop replacement. | 17:20 |
| RST38h | elb: Well, it is a truncated version indeed | 17:20 |
| fysa | I dare you to use an N800 or N810 as a desktop replacement. | 17:20 |
| fysa | I have tried it. | 17:20 |
| elb | they're not meant to be | 17:20 |
| elb | and that's not an arm vs x86 problem | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Why would I use N810 as a desktop replacement? I have my Toshibna for that | 17:20 |
| Veggen | well. it's been my only home machine for a month now. | 17:20 |
| elb | don't try to paint it like it is :-) | 17:20 |
| jott | well x86 brings much closed source software - so this is the only practical advantage | 17:20 |
| Veggen | ...but I'm way behind on spare-time projects :) | 17:20 |
| elb | I ran a non-x86 laptop for a very long time, with no troubles | 17:20 |
| fysa | certainly not | 17:21 |
| elb | the x86 hegemony matters very little in the open source world, except that it hampers availability of good platforms | 17:21 |
| fysa | if ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better? | 17:21 |
| Veggen | I am, however, considering using the n810 as my only at-home-mobile computer. | 17:21 |
| elb | if we lived in that unrealistic dream world, I wouldn't care | 17:21 |
| fysa | it matters gobs. there is still a ton of machine language embedded out there. | 17:21 |
| fysa | anyway. | 17:22 |
| elb | and that machine language doesn't matter | 17:22 |
| fysa | >> if ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better? | 17:22 |
| Veggen | ...until the EEE arrives here in Norway, I know I'll never be able to resist one ;P | 17:22 |
| elb | "anyway", I already answered that hypothetical question | 17:22 |
| fysa | with a bullshit answer. | 17:22 |
| RST38h | fysa: ARM has a better architecture | 17:22 |
| elb | how so? | 17:22 |
| elb | if they had the same performance, I wouldn't care | 17:22 |
| fysa | you answered by ignoring it. | 17:22 |
| elb | how is that bullshit? | 17:22 |
| fysa | whatevef. | 17:23 |
| elb | they *don't* have the same performance and power requirements | 17:23 |
| elb | so I *do* care | 17:23 |
| elb | and x86 is *junk* on the power requirements front | 17:23 |
| fysa | not. for. long. | 17:23 |
| jott | if ARM was 1000x faster than any x86, why would x86 be better? | 17:23 |
| elb | maybe, people have been saying that for decades | 17:23 |
| fysa | WHAT | 17:23 |
| fysa | no way. | 17:23 |
| elb | and the competition keeps getting better as fast as x86 does | 17:23 |
| fysa | I have worked in the embedded field for decades | 17:23 |
| elb | (faster, even) | 17:23 |
| fysa | it's always been about 68k and arm. | 17:23 |
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| elb | don't confuse "good enough" with "as good as the competition", which I think you're about to do | 17:24 |
| RST38h | x86 programming model is badly outdated | 17:24 |
| elb | anyway, there's no reasoning with fanboys | 17:24 |
| elb | enjoy your x86 umpcs, I'll wait for a real computer :-) | 17:24 |
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| fysa | arm fanboys | 17:24 |
| elb | (if it's x86, more power to it ... I'll buy it all the same) | 17:24 |
| elb | actually, I don't care about arm | 17:24 |
| RST38h | and its internal architecture spends A LOT of effort to map that outdated model onto contemporary hadrware | 17:24 |
| fysa | I could give a shit about the CPU if it had power, but Nokia decided to torture us longer with this bullshit. | 17:25 |
| elb | I care about battery life | 17:25 |
| elb | it just so *happens* that ARM is where battery life is right now | 17:25 |
| RST38h | ARM is pretty simple internally | 17:25 |
| elb | if I were picking based on architecture, I'd pick PPC hands down | 17:25 |
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| RST38h | And this, by the way, is why it requires less power | 17:25 |
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| fysa | they don't want to spend on integrating the new chipset, they don't want to spend on optimizing for the old chipset. | 17:25 |
| elb | RST38h: don't confuse this issue with facts | 17:25 |
| elb | we have FEELINGS here | 17:25 |
| fysa | why does complexity matter? | 17:25 |
| elb | leakage power | 17:26 |
| fysa | the only thing that matters: 1) does it work 2) is it usable | 17:26 |
| RST38h | elb: This is nothing prozac can't fix | 17:26 |
| elb | if you're at all familiar with semiconductor design | 17:26 |
| fysa | we barely have #2 right now | 17:26 |
| fysa | it's a game of leapfrog. | 17:26 |
| fysa | it always will be. | 17:26 |
| elb | your definition of usable must differ from mine | 17:26 |
| fysa | there will always be more leakage today than tomorrow. | 17:26 |
| RST38h | leakage depends on manufacturing tech | 17:26 |
| elb | and greater complexity means more gates, which means more leakage | 17:27 |
| fysa | and eventually ARM will have a CPU that lasts a week on full usage | 17:27 |
| elb | regardless of that technology | 17:27 |
| fysa | and we will have x86 variants that last 5 days on full usage | 17:27 |
| fysa | x86 is a virus. | 17:27 |
| fysa | it will unfortunately prevail. | 17:27 |
| elb | I'd buy an x86 that lasted 12 hours of full usage | 17:27 |
| fysa | I'm not a fan of the architecture. | 17:27 |
| elb | I don't need 5 days | 17:27 |
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| RST38h | fysa: whatever mate | 17:27 |
| fysa | I'm a fan of not having to spend days in scratchbox grabbing and compiling everything. | 17:28 |
| * RST38h has not spent a minute in scratchbox until now | 17:28 | |
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| RST38h | I just go and download stuff, a lot of packages are available | 17:28 |
| fysa | then obviously that is why you have no idea what you or I am talking about, RST38h, good day. | 17:28 |
| elb | yeah maemo is a pain | 17:28 |
| elb | but again, that's not architecture, so much | 17:29 |
| RST38h | If he means recompiling for Hildon, then he will have the same problems with Ubuntu Mobile | 17:29 |
| fysa | I have been nerding around compiling, building, screwing around in Linux for over a decade.. and I don't want to have to do this for the device I rely on for day-to-day work. | 17:29 |
| elb | yes | 17:29 |
| t_s_o | hmm, 2 4GB cards in my N800, woho :) now i just hope they dont corrupt ;) | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Maybe a different framework, but the same problems | 17:29 |
| fysa | no, less problems! | 17:29 |
| RST38h | fysa: You should have paid attention to other things | 17:29 |
| fysa | mplayer would just compile. many games would just compile. | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Nature, you know, women... | 17:30 |
| elb | hildon will still be nonstandard | 17:30 |
| fysa | L O L ! | 17:30 |
| elb | I've compiled several straight up x11 apps for maemo with no problem | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Compiling Linux for a decade - this sounds harsh | 17:30 |
| fysa | Ubuntu Mobile uses hildon. | 17:30 |
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| elb | ... but they don't work right, becuase they don't know about the funky-ass windowing, menuing, etc. | 17:30 |
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| fysa | anyway. I will have my cake and eat it too. | 17:31 |
| fysa | and so will all of you. | 17:31 |
| fysa | whether you like it or not. | 17:31 |
| fysa | elb, straight-up x11 apps is usually decent. | 17:32 |
| fysa | I would be just as happy on ARM if I could get 1GHz and 256 - 512MB RAM. | 17:32 |
| fysa | I just need enough for a dozen or two tabs and a few ssh sessions. | 17:32 |
| fysa | (tabs in Firefox) | 17:32 |
| jott | yeah, more ram would be really great. | 17:33 |
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| jott | (but unfortunately also drains power) | 17:34 |
| t_s_o | ram these days seems to be more important then cpu really... | 17:34 |
| fysa | yes, the current CPU isn't even horrible. | 17:34 |
| fysa | it's just that you breathe on the device and you're swapping | 17:34 |
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| fysa | :) | 17:34 |
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| t_s_o | oh i would not go that far. but there are some webpages that seems to love eating ram... | 17:35 |
| t_s_o | most of them are some variant on those fancy ajax interfaces btw... | 17:36 |
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| jott | well if you only browse it's "acceptable" - trouble starts if you begin to multitask (im, pdf, editor etc) | 17:38 |
| RST38h | I don't get why this guy just doesn't buy himself a regular small laptop | 17:39 |
| fysa | me? I am. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Would fit his needs perfectly | 17:39 |
| fysa | but it still doesn't fit in my pocket. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Well, it will not | 17:40 |
| RST38h | But you definitely want a laptop with complete Ubuntu Linux on it | 17:40 |
| fysa | sure. as soon as the Atom-based mini laptops are out, I am on it. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | You don't want a resource constrained pad with a tiny screen and no keyboard | 17:40 |
| RST38h | But why wait for Atom? Just buy youself a Centrino based laptop | 17:41 |
| fysa | Atom is almost twice as fast for the same power consumption.. | 17:41 |
| fysa | give or take I'm sure. | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Atom is a PentiumI | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Centrino is Pentium3, basically | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Don't tell me Atom is faster :) | 17:41 |
| fysa | Pentium M | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Pentium M = Pentium 3 | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | The Israeli design | 17:42 |
| fysa | Atom is next Centrino. | 17:42 |
| fysa | Centrino Atom. | 17:42 |
| johnx | for the same power consumption is the key word | 17:42 |
| johnx | s/word/phrase/ | 17:42 |
| infobot | johnx meant: for the same power consumption is the key phrase | 17:42 |
| fysa | HP Mini is VIA with poor video | 17:43 |
| fysa | otherwise I think it looks gorgeous. | 17:43 |
| fysa | EEE is Celeron M | 17:43 |
| fysa | with better video, but horrible keyboard | 17:43 |
| hrw | so you want core2quad M with goforce9 and 12h work on battery? | 17:43 |
| fysa | MSI Wind (or whatever -- there are a dozen similar devices coming out after June) has a decent CPU and decent video | 17:44 |
| fysa | GMA950 would be fine | 17:44 |
| fysa | HP Mini uses some VIA Chrome9 chipset. | 17:44 |
| fysa | if the HP Mini had the Celeron and GMA950, I would be all over it. | 17:45 |
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| fysa | I hear the keyboard is wonderful to type on.. | 17:45 |
| hrw | celeronM lack cpufreq support | 17:45 |
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| fysa | oh yes, that too. | 17:45 |
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| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/365720/msi-wind-laptop-to-make-eee-pc-cry-eeek | 17:46 |
| hrw | my wife has celeron 420/430 based laptop and it suxx - fan works most of time | 17:46 |
| hrw | my pentium M based laptop is nearly quiet when idle | 17:46 |
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| dneary | hi | 17:46 |
| fysa | I'm thinking of getting an old Pentium M laptop to replace my current home linux server | 17:47 |
| dneary | trying to get sip calls working with the N810 for the first time | 17:47 |
| dneary | Failing miserably :( | 17:47 |
| hrw | fysa: Dell D400 is nice if you do not want to run on battery | 17:47 |
| fysa | wow. $338. | 17:47 |
| fysa | perfect | 17:48 |
| hrw | fysa: pentium M 1.4-1.7, 2 ddr1 so-dimm slots | 17:48 |
| fysa | PC Card? | 17:48 |
| hrw | pcmcia III - yes | 17:48 |
| hrw | minipci slot with broadcom 4306 wifi | 17:48 |
| fysa | would just need to figure out the best way to plug it into an external RAID enclosure.. | 17:49 |
| dneary | Anyone here gotten it working with freephonie.net and can help me out with the right SIP settings? | 17:49 |
| fysa | PC Card eSATA with port multiplier support | 17:49 |
| fysa | into enclosure with built-in port multiplier | 17:50 |
| fysa | is what I'm thinking.. | 17:50 |
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| fysa | http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=2988 | 17:51 |
| fysa | http://www.directron.com/cfib4043pmgg.html | 17:52 |
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| fysa | I think that should work. | 17:53 |
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| hrw | slow... | 17:53 |
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| hrw | whyy not usb2? | 17:53 |
| fysa | eSATA faster than USB2.. | 17:53 |
| hrw | or firewire? | 17:53 |
| fysa | or pcmcia III slow? | 17:53 |
| hrw | pcmcia is slow | 17:53 |
| fysa | then probably firewire would be the way to go.. | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | back | 18:06 |
| RST38h | fysa: Atom is Pentium1 | 18:06 |
| RST38h | fysa: So whatever marketing term you have heard, it is STILL Pentium1, not Pentium3 like Centrino | 18:07 |
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| fysa | who cares? | 18:08 |
| fysa | it's superseding Conroe L. | 18:09 |
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| fysa | which is Core based. | 18:09 |
| fysa | and will have a 1.8GHz dual-core variant. | 18:10 |
| fysa | but that really has nothing to do with anything. | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Atom is not superceding anything | 18:11 |
| fysa | whatever | 18:11 |
| RST38h | It is a parallel line designed for small cheap devices | 18:11 |
| fysa | maybe you have a different version of Wikipedia than I do. | 18:11 |
| RST38h | fysa, I work for Intel. | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | I love IRC fights! | 18:11 |
| fysa | then maybe you should get back to work. we aren't even having the same discussion. | 18:12 |
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| * jott hand qwerty12 some crispy atom chips | 18:15 | |
| qwerty12 | Yum | 18:15 |
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| elb | fysa: straight up x11 apps don't seem to create an application icon, or accept input from the keyboard properly | 18:18 |
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| hrw | re | 18:19 |
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| ||cw | Atom will be using some things that intel has been using conroe Celerons in, but they were using them there only because that was their lowest power they got | 18:23 |
| ||cw | wow that was some bad english... | 18:24 |
| johnx | it´s ok, you´re on irc | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | I @\/\/@R|) u 5 $T@R$ | 18:25 |
| ||cw | atom doesn't supercede anything, but it wil lower demand for the celerons | 18:25 |
| ||cw | as well as enter a market Intel just can't play in right now | 18:26 |
| johnx | it´s intel finally admiting that their might just be something to this whole ¨embedded¨ thing | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | Intel will enter a market and make itself a niche | 18:28 |
| RST38h | Will probably blow Geodes and at least some VIAs out of it | 18:29 |
| ||cw | johnx: as long as x86 can be there, yes | 18:29 |
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| ||cw | RST38h: the new via is as good, and maybe a little better, than Atom | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | But as far as mobile devices go, the current Atom is no competitor | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | cw: Yes, I have seen the tests... | 18:30 |
| ||cw | http://www.eeepcnews.de/2008/04/18/intel-atom-benchmarks-via-isaiah-vergleich/ | 18:30 |
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| ||cw | everyone is testing on the high end, the 400Mhz area is where all the fun is | 18:30 |
| RST38h | only power consumption matters | 18:32 |
| RST38h | if you can run at 1.6GHz consuming the same power as competitor does at 400MHz, then you run at 1.6GHz | 18:32 |
| ||cw | right, from the little I have, Atom can go that low power wise, but no one seems to care | 18:33 |
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| johnx | RST38h, but they can't | 18:33 |
| RST38h | yep :) | 18:34 |
| johnx | at very least it will be interesting to watch as they try to cram the x86 instruction set into increasingly smaller power envelopes | 18:34 |
| ||cw | so ataom can easily compete in the low power/umpc area, but can it compete with armel? | 18:35 |
| johnx | they'll invent some really neat tech on the way I'm sure :( | 18:35 |
| johnx | ha | 18:35 |
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| johnx | I'll go with no | 18:35 |
| RST38h | they just need to cram PI instruction set | 18:36 |
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| ||cw | like, what would Atom do in a high end smartphone like what runs a 600Mhz arm now | 18:36 |
| RST38h | And PI was made using, let's see... | 18:36 |
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| johnx | ||cw, what would it do? the cpu would consume a similar amount of power to a whole n800 | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:37 |
| RST38h | 800nm technology | 18:37 |
| RST38h | So, at 45nm it is real small ;) | 18:37 |
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| johnx | there was a good article on arstechnica comparing the atom and the next gen of arm stuff (cortex) | 18:38 |
| johnx | that's worth a read if you're interested in this kind of stuff | 18:38 |
| johnx | I just like watching it from the sidelines | 18:38 |
| johnx | :D | 18:38 |
| RST38h | URL? | 18:38 |
| johnx | on tablet, gimme a sec | 18:39 |
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| johnx | there is this: ws.ars/post/20080402-new-atom-cpu-marks-intels-baby-steps-into-embedded-world.html | 18:41 |
| johnx | and there was another I think... | 18:41 |
| RST38h | what is ws.ars? =) | 18:42 |
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| johnx | errr...part of that must not have copied :/ | 18:43 |
| johnx | but it's ok cause this is the one I was thinking of anyways: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080205-small-wonder-inside-intels-silverthorne-ultramobile-cpu.html | 18:44 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Re ... | 18:48 |
| johnx | hi | 18:48 |
| johnx | Khertan_on_n810, so are you using xchat or pidgin (or something else)? | 18:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | xchat | 18:49 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | in past i ve use telepathyy | 18:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: I just hope every Ubuntu Mobile fanboy reads that | 18:49 |
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| johnx | me too. works suprisingly well. | 18:50 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | but sometimes i ve problem with connecting to freenode | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | I use XChat on desktop (linux) and on N800, but sometimes I use BitchX. In windows, NoNameScript (mIRC) | 18:50 |
| johnx | well there's nothing really x86 specific about ubuntu mobile except that it's a bit heavy in terms of memory usage for current ARM stuff | 18:50 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | hum i m upgrading one of my pc which work under ubuntu | 18:51 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i hope repository will work | 18:51 |
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| johnx | I'm actually using IRC on my n800 while I watch my desktop update to hardy right now | 18:51 |
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| johnx | A USB keyboard makes this very nice actually :) | 18:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | me too but i m in the train :) | 18:52 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ouch 800 Mo to download | 18:52 |
| johnx | I torrented the alternative iso and used it as a starting point | 18:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | :) | 18:53 |
| johnx | I've got everything downloaded and just watching dpkg chew through it all | 18:53 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | better idea than what i m doing | 18:53 |
| johnx | also pick mirrors in countries where people are asleep right now :D | 18:54 |
| ||cw | if all you do is install, the alt is the best | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Which is not the UK now :p | 18:54 |
| johnx | I have two comps to update from gutsy here so it seemed like a good deal | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | Wait, is the new Ubuntu out? | 18:54 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | yes | 18:54 |
| johnx | yeah, join #ubuntu-release-party for the madness | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | **** me, I didn't even realise. I better start updating. | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks | 18:55 |
| johnx | try taiwan for a fast mirror :) | 18:55 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | taiwan don t have fr local packages yet | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :). I'm just gonna use the system updater with the dist upgrade option :) | 18:56 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | so expect problem (like me) | 18:57 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yeah but if you pick your source in Admin -> software sources it will probably help your download speed | 18:57 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | what the main new thing on hardy ? | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, ahh. Thanks for that tip. | 18:57 |
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| johnx | firefox3 | 18:57 |
| ||cw | johnx: I have 4 in my house, so I setup apt-proxy on one, works great for updates too | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Ndiswrapper better not shit out my system though :( | 18:57 |
| ||cw | qwerty12: you aren't on the email list? | 18:57 |
| lopz | hola | 18:57 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | ouch firefox 3 is release or is it an beta rc ? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | ||cw, Nope :) | 18:58 |
| johnx | Khertan_on_n810, they're releasing with the beta, but it should be stable "real soon now" | 18:58 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | ouch google agenda api is a bit ... hum not very well thinked | 18:59 |
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| johnx | that's unfortunate :/ | 18:59 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | /s/thinked/thought | 19:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | hum connection should drop | 19:01 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | enter underway | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Khertan, you are always on trains :p | 19:01 |
| * johnx looks forward to a bluetooth phone and unlimited data plan | 19:01 | |
| johnx | qwerty12, some countries have a lot of trains :P | 19:02 |
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| qwerty12 | johnx, True, but everytime I see Khertan, he is always on a train :). In the UK, quite a fair bit of trains and underground system | 19:02 |
| johnx | if I could IRC from my train commute I would do it all the time | 19:03 |
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| qwerty12 | If I could IRC in school :/. Ah well, I've got the network dump from kismet... | 19:03 |
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| Navi | I IRC from school by ssh'ing home | 19:06 |
| Cptnodegard | lmao | 19:07 |
| Cptnodegard | normal people just use pidgin or rtcomm :D | 19:07 |
| zuh | johnx: I added some docs to the retu addon, along with some data I've gathered on what the battery readings are up to in a full->empty cycle:http://git.pingu.fi/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=hald-addon-retu-adc.git;a=tree;f=docs | 19:07 |
| inz | Cptn, nope, normap people use Xterm + ssh + irssi | 19:07 |
| Navi | IRC ports are blocked | 19:07 |
| inz | -p+l | 19:07 |
| zuh | johnx: You seem to have time to look at it while updating your machines ;) | 19:07 |
| Cptnodegard | oic | 19:07 |
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| Navi | Plus, I don't like pidgin/rtcomm for IRC | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, +1. Xchat, irssi and BitchX for me. | 19:09 |
| Navi | Just weechat for me. | 19:09 |
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| elb | heh pidgin for irc | 19:10 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I think I should get an S60 phone soon. | 19:10 |
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| Cptnodegard | pidgin is gay but at elast it works | 19:10 |
| Cptnodegard | and it does msn too | 19:11 |
| * Cptnodegard waits to get flamed for using msn in the first place | 19:11 | |
| elb | oh yes, it is most certainly homosexual | 19:11 |
| elb | every evening it makes the moves on all the other bits on my computer | 19:11 |
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| Cptnodegard | i dont liek it myself but for some reason everyone i know use it. my gtalk list is comprised of 5 people or so | 19:11 |
| Navi | You beat me | 19:12 |
| Navi | My jabber list is two | 19:12 |
| elb | the majority of my regular contacts are AIM, but jabber is catching up | 19:12 |
| elb | all the pidgin devs use jabber, of course | 19:13 |
| ||cw | gtalk is jabber | 19:13 |
| elb | yes, I'm sure everyone in this conversation knows that | 19:13 |
| Cptnodegard | people around me use msn for IM and hotmail for mail.... | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Cptnodegard, same here | 19:14 |
| Cptnodegard | yes its not the brightest bunch | 19:14 |
| elb | I'm pleased to say that I don't correspond regularly with anyone who uses hotmail | 19:15 |
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| Cptnodegard | i opened up a mail on both cell, laptop and n800 (imap of course) and told this guy that when he could do that with msn (without browser) i'd stop callin ghim stupid | 19:15 |
| ||cw | when I first met wife I showed her gmail and she stopped using hotmail almost immediately | 19:16 |
| elb | yeah, gmail is by far the most usable web mail application I've ever seen | 19:17 |
| elb | most people who've seen it skip directly out of hotmail | 19:17 |
| RST38h | still no folders though | 19:17 |
| ||cw | don't need them, you have tags | 19:17 |
| ||cw | and IIRC accessing gmail via imap, th tags show as folders | 19:18 |
| RST38h | naah, I want folders | 19:18 |
| Navi | Yahoo!'s new ajax webmail is flashy and slow | 19:18 |
| RST38h | a habit | 19:18 |
| ||cw | the search is awesome too | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | I haven't logged into Yahoo for years and years | 19:19 |
| sp3000 | have to admit I haven't used gmail's web ui much | 19:19 |
| ||cw | use gmail search a couple times and you'll never care about folders again, or tags for that mater | 19:19 |
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| ||cw | I have a lot of tags, but almost never use them, I just search | 19:19 |
| sp3000 | mostly the way I deal is based on various classes of mail with larger quiantities being filtered into specific folders | 19:19 |
| sp3000 | which leaves the important or unkown stuff | 19:19 |
| Navi | I have folders, but that's because I have a lot of email services forwarding email to my one GMail account | 19:20 |
| ||cw | and the search filds stuff in chatlogs too, damned handy | 19:20 |
| sp3000 | I set up a 'direct' tag in gmail for mail that's addressed to me directly and not from some bulk class like bugmail or such, but that doesn't catch all sorts of unknown cases | 19:20 |
| Cptnodegard | i still use my hotmail... for registering on websites i know will spam me | 19:20 |
| sp3000 | also, why does my typing suck today | 19:21 |
| ||cw | Cptnodegard: add a "." in a random place in your gmail address, then filter on it | 19:22 |
| ||cw | or is it prefix... | 19:22 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | Re | 19:23 |
| Navi | oi | 19:23 |
| Proteous_ | procmain ftw | 19:24 |
| Proteous_ | er, procmail | 19:24 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | do u have see that a hildon.Window have a margin that a gtk.Window haven t ? | 19:24 |
| ||cw | Cptnodegard: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=12096 | 19:25 |
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| inz | Khertan, yes, HildonWindow has some theme definable borders around it | 19:27 |
| ||cw | Cptnodegard: also http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10313&topic=13272# | 19:28 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | how can i bypass it ? | 19:28 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i want the no space of a gtk.Window with the menu of an hildon window | 19:28 |
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| inz | Khertan, hmm, I think you lose | 19:30 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | arg this suck | 19:32 |
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| Cptnodegard | ||cw thanks :D | 19:35 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | hum ... if it s in theme maybe i can change this withgtk.settings_get_default().set_string_property | 19:38 |
| Mousey | woohoo! | 19:38 |
| Mousey | in true linux style, realmedia videos play in anything! | 19:38 |
| Mousey | but of course Canola rocks my socks | 19:38 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 19:39 |
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| inz | Khertan, that might work, yes | 19:40 |
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| Khertan_on_n810 | just need to found the right setting | 19:40 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | this will not be easy | 19:40 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | specially what they use to make this margin in hildon.Window | 19:40 |
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| inz | The style property is called "borders" | 19:42 |
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| k0uak | hi :] | 19:43 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | i see no 'border' in the ref : http://www.moeraki.com/pygtkreference/pygtk2reference/class-gtksettings.html | 19:43 |
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| johnx | hi k0uak | 19:44 |
| k0uak | i have a question about my n770, please ^^ | 19:45 |
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| k0uak | I lost the lock code | 19:45 |
| k0uak | :d | 19:45 |
| k0uak | how I can reset it ? ^^' | 19:45 |
| k0uak | please :) | 19:45 |
| johnx | I think there was a thread on internettablettalk.com/forums | 19:46 |
| johnx | it's actually pretty hard | 19:46 |
| k0uak | yeah I heard that ^^ | 19:46 |
| k0uak | I 'm a real noob :/ I set a code and I don't remember it | 19:46 |
| k0uak | i don't wanna ask to nokia because they will remove a lot of money of my bank account xD | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | It's something like reading it out of a /dev/mtd file. I'm not sure on how to do it though. | 19:47 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 19:47 |
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| k0uak | i'm looking on InternetTabletTalk | 19:48 |
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| k0uak | if they talk about that | 19:48 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | where is stored the current theme rc file on maemo ? | 19:51 |
| k0uak | i can access all | 19:51 |
| Khertan_on_n810 | +gtkrc | 19:51 |
| k0uak | i tried to restore nokia original system | 19:51 |
| k0uak | but 12345 doesn't work | 19:51 |
| k0uak | :( | 19:51 |
| johnx | k0uak, it's stored outside the part of flash memory that is erased when you reflash | 19:52 |
| k0uak | ahw, not cool ^^ | 19:52 |
| k0uak | but it's accessible virtually ? | 19:53 |
| k0uak | or I must open it and screw&hammer all what I see ? XD | 19:53 |
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| johnx | it *should* be possible to read the lock code back from that part of the flash memory | 19:53 |
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| k0uak | ok | 19:54 |
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| mgedmin | mhm | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | I think there was a thread on maemo-users or maemo-dev | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | how to recover the device code | 19:55 |
| k0uak | mhm | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | google might find it | 19:56 |
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| k0uak | i tried to search will all terms ^^ | 19:56 |
| k0uak | nokia 770 lock | 19:56 |
| k0uak | etc etc | 19:56 |
| k0uak | didn't found anything :p | 19:56 |
| k0uak | but i can access folders of the system with the browser | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | k0uak: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-March/009665.html is the thread | 19:57 |
| k0uak | thanks mgedmin :] | 19:57 |
| k0uak | there is a .pwd.lock | 19:58 |
| k0uak | in the /etc folder | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Wow, I didn't know powerlaunch could retrieve the code. Great work by Austin. | 19:58 |
| k0uak | Powerlaunch | 19:58 |
| k0uak | yeah | 19:58 |
| k0uak | =) | 19:58 |
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| k0uak | i'll try that | 19:59 |
| k0uak | even if i own a 770 ? | 19:59 |
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| k0uak | hm | 19:59 |
| k0uak | i don't know how to use ssh or to install it wow XD | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | I think old version exists for OS2007 at least. | 19:59 |
| k0uak | ok | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | yeh, I just tried it. it got my lock code fine. | 20:00 |
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| k0uak | yeah but you own a 800 No ? | 20:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Yes | 20:01 |
| k0uak | :/ k ^^ | 20:02 |
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| k0uak | Dunno how to install it :/ I am a real newbie on the tablet | 20:03 |
| k0uak | Linux/SSH/Konsole = ok | 20:03 |
| k0uak | but on nokia n770 don't know :/ | 20:03 |
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| k0uak | : '( | 20:06 |
| k0uak | someone can help me please ? :$ | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | k0uak, http://www.mediafire.com/?nzxedm2iykb . Save that to your memory card. get xterm and do mv /media/mmc2/powerline ~ and then cd ~ and chmod +x ~/powerline and then ./powerline getdevicelockcode | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Now I got to go. | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | That is the earliest powerline binary I could find. | 20:07 |
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| k0uak | ok =] | 20:08 |
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| k0uak | i looked on a thread | 20:12 |
| k0uak | the code is maybe in | 20:12 |
| k0uak | or | 20:12 |
| k0uak | . /dev/mtd1 | 20:12 |
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| wom- | outch, ubuntu update lost my harddrives :) | 20:14 |
| wom- | upgrade | 20:14 |
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| k0uak | when I add a repository in the appmanager ( http://repository.maemo.org/ ) they ask me about distribution and components | 20:17 |
| k0uak | what must I set ? | 20:17 |
| k0uak | i set Distrib: mistral | 20:17 |
| k0uak | and | 20:17 |
| k0uak | COmponents : free non-free user | 20:17 |
| k0uak | is it right ? | 20:17 |
| inz | Depends what release you're using on your tablet | 20:18 |
| inz | user component doesn't exist there, so take that one off | 20:19 |
| k0uak | Nokia os 2006 3.2006.49-2 | 20:19 |
| k0uak | ok | 20:19 |
| inz | Erm, my memory is failing me, but I would guess that is scirocco, not mistral | 20:20 |
| inz | But mistral should work just as well | 20:20 |
| k0uak | ok | 20:20 |
| k0uak | but repository isn't working ^^' | 20:21 |
| inz | yep | 20:21 |
| k0uak | ok | 20:21 |
| k0uak | when it will be back ? ^^ | 20:21 |
| k0uak | oh it works | 20:21 |
| k0uak | but slow | 20:21 |
| k0uak | really slow | 20:21 |
| k0uak | : D | 20:21 |
| mgedmin | gregale was the latest in the OS2007 family, no? | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | mistral, scirocco, gregale | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin | er, OS2006 | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | bora is 2007 | 20:23 |
| BornToBePuli | hi | 20:23 |
| k0uak | so i set Web adress : http://repository.maeomo.Org | 20:23 |
| k0uak | Distribution : mistral | 20:23 |
| k0uak | Composants : no things | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | maeOmo? | 20:23 |
| k0uak | sorry | 20:23 |
| k0uak | ^^' | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | components: free non-free | 20:23 |
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| k0uak | ok :] | 20:23 |
| k0uak | my fingers were crossing | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | why do you want the SDK repository on the device? | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | anyway, remember that some of the SDK package won't work on the real device (e.g. busybox), so things like apt-get upgrade will break your system | 20:24 |
| k0uak | for that : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | nowadays I stick with maemo extras | 20:24 |
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| mgedmin | k0uak: that's ancient! | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | there is openssh in maemo extras | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | ... isn't there? | 20:24 |
| k0uak | sorry ^^' | 20:24 |
| k0uak | but i don't know how to install maemo | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | just a second, maemo.org is slow... | 20:25 |
| k0uak | ok | 20:25 |
| k0uak | sorry for being a real noob :$ | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | look here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/openssh/ | 20:25 |
| k0uak | thanks | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | sorry for not keeping all of maemo.org up-to-date | 20:25 |
| k0uak | no problem :] | 20:25 |
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| mgedmin | best way to install apps: the green "click to install" icons on http://maemo.org/downloads | 20:26 |
| k0uak | okl | 20:26 |
| k0uak | from opera ? | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | yes, from the device's browser | 20:26 |
| k0uak | ok thanks :D | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | (either opera or microb, both support it) | 20:26 |
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| k0uak | a real real thanks | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | (although OS2006 maybe didn't have microb) | 20:26 |
| k0uak | :) | 20:26 |
| k0uak | you rock | 20:27 |
| k0uak | IF u need a dedicated server for maemo (for free) | 20:28 |
| k0uak | ask | 20:28 |
| k0uak | :) | 20:28 |
| k0uak | Opera says : "Unable to do a secured transaction (url...)" | 20:28 |
| k0uak | when i click install | 20:28 |
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| mgedmin | weird | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | in that case, you can do it manually | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | repository URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | distribution: gregale | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | components: free non-free | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | once you add this, you'll see openssh in the app installer list | 20:30 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 20:30 |
| k0uak | thanks ! | 20:30 |
| k0uak | i try that | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | which os2006 version do you have? | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | if it's not the latest one, perhaps you should upgrade? | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | control panel -> device -> about shows the version | 20:31 |
| k0uak | i said before : Nokia os 2006 3.2006.49-2 | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | yes, it's the latest | 20:32 |
| k0uak | :) | 20:33 |
| k0uak | (i used nokia update tool tomorrow for flash it it download most recent version) | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | I tend to ignore irc backlog and jump into the middle of a discussion -- life's too short... | 20:34 |
| k0uak | ok ^^ | 20:34 |
| k0uak | no problem | 20:34 |
| k0uak | :] | 20:34 |
| k0uak | It's currently upgrading sources list | 20:34 |
| k0uak | "Downloading 6 kb" | 20:34 |
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| k0uak | stays on 6 kb | 20:36 |
| k0uak | maybe bcz maemo servs are saturated ? | 20:36 |
| k0uak | ah | 20:36 |
| k0uak | works | 20:36 |
| k0uak | :] | 20:36 |
| k0uak | yeah :D | 20:36 |
| k0uak | i have tools now | 20:36 |
| k0uak | =) | 20:36 |
| k0uak | so | 20:36 |
| k0uak | openssh | 20:37 |
| elb | put entire sentences on one line | 20:37 |
| k0uak | ok sorry -- opeenssh + openssh-client + openssh-server ? | 20:37 |
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| k0uak | openssh install stays blocked at ~90 % :/ | 20:47 |
| k0uak | "Installing" | 20:47 |
| k0uak | worked.. | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | happens sometimes | 20:48 |
| k0uak | ok =) | 20:48 |
| inz | k0uak, it likely generates keys there | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | ah, that too | 20:48 |
| inz | k0uak, it takes a while | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 20:48 |
| k0uak | so now I've installed openSSH i can login like with putty ? | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | like yes | 20:48 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 20:48 |
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| mgedmin | some package installations sometimes spend minutes in the middle of the progress bar -- I've always attributed that to the jffs2 garbage collector | 20:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're usually doing stuff. | 20:49 |
| k0uak | ok :) | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | postinst scripts and whatnot | 20:49 |
| k0uak | thanks | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | or waiting for user click | 20:50 |
| Atarii | or crashing | 20:50 |
| k0uak | x) | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | or removing crucial files | 20:50 |
| Atarii | does anyone have kismet .deb they can send me double plx? | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | like .avis | 20:51 |
| k0uak | yes i'm on ssh now :] great | 20:52 |
| k0uak | busybox-- | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | apt-get install flu-medicine | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | you too? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | been building all week | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 20:57 |
| lcuk | i honestly think i will be dead by morning | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | now i know! | 20:58 |
| lcuk | nothing like man flu :) | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | it got to me through ftp! | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | i should have used sftp :/ | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | that wouldnt have helped | 20:59 |
| lcuk | its actually elf-flu | 20:59 |
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| KotCzarny | but i'm a cat | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | I'm telling you that the kernel is stable not because it's a kernel, | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | but because I refuse to listen to arguments like this. | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | -- Linus Torvalds | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm gonna have to get ubuntu upgraded at the weekend. Way too slow now and school tomorrow :( | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: go live cd ? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, yer, its been overloaded most of the day - theres plenty of mirrors on the edu's | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, find a mirror. | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://sinklikeafish.com/ | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe that. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | slashdot comments for the announce list a load of them | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | or kernel.org | 21:01 |
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| KotCzarny | has a mirrors too | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks all, I've been trying but my repo's keep having to reload :/ | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've taken a break | 21:01 |
| qwerty12_N800 | now | 21:01 |
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| practisevoodoo | how long does the n810 normally take to get a gps fix? | 21:02 |
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| KotCzarny | depends on your luck | 21:02 |
| Mousey | practisevoodoo: just short of 3,000 years | 21:02 |
| KotCzarny | and location | 21:02 |
| Mousey | give or take | 21:02 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, some people have bad luck, i used to think i do, but i can get a cold lock now in just under 10 minutes | 21:03 |
| practisevoodoo | yeah that 3000 years thing sounds about right | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | from few 30 mins to eternity | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | practisevoodoo, the first is the worst. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | the first few times i tried it it wouldnt lock at all, now it gets locks. maybe the gps isn't as busy as it was ;) | 21:03 |
| Mousey | somebody patched gpsd to fix it, thought it was related to the leap year bug, but turns out that's hooey | 21:04 |
| Mousey | so i don't know wtf is wrong | 21:04 |
| liquid217 | anyone ever had a problem with the app manager shouting errors in the log like this?: "apt-worker[1253]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_strsplit_set: assertion 'string != NULL' failed" | 21:04 |
| practisevoodoo | Mousey, so there is a fix? | 21:04 |
| KotCzarny | cold fix | 21:04 |
| lcuk | no practisevoodoo, some guy thought it was related to leap year problems, but its not | 21:04 |
| Mousey | practisevoodoo: i like to think of it as: it CAN be fixed. i don't know of a reliable fix for it tho | 21:04 |
| johnx | well it's also just a weak gps chipset | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | last time my n810 got the fix in just 7 minutes! | 21:05 |
| Mousey | AWESOME! | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | isn't that amazing? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | right, just switched on now, its 19:05 | 21:05 |
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| KotCzarny | getting fix - new olympic games category? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | possibly | 21:06 |
| Mousey | i'd have traded a crappy gps radio for a fullsized SD slot tho | 21:06 |
| Mousey | thanks | 21:06 |
| lcuk | it could just be crappy antenna coupled with RF inteference from other areas | 21:06 |
| k0uak | ./powerline: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-1.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 21:06 |
| k0uak | owned ^^' | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, full sized slot at least works reliably | 21:06 |
| Mousey | and a SDIO GPS radio | 21:06 |
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| johnx | lcuk, to paraphrase Ti's description "It provides great value as an economy GPS chipset" or somesuch | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | tell the americans to turn the gps up - i can't hear it | 21:07 |
| Mousey | hahaha | 21:07 |
| Mousey | it's crappy here in america too | 21:07 |
| johnx | it really is their lowest end chipset and meant to be used with AGPS on a cellphone | 21:07 |
| lcuk | it wont be a problem when we have galileo | 21:07 |
| Mousey | yes it will | 21:08 |
| mgedmin | will the n810 support it? | 21:08 |
| Mousey | it means i have to get a new tablet! | 21:08 |
| NullM0dem | is that the chipset in the n810? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | well i would be happy if it read in the COUNTRY as a minimum and held onto the data it does get from the sats | 21:08 |
| johnx | or a bluetooth gps/galileo | 21:08 |
| Mousey | NullM0dem: no it's the !american GPS network | 21:08 |
| lcuk | its having to grab all the aphoris data or whatever it is | 21:08 |
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| practisevoodoo | yeah but galileo isnt going to be up for years | 21:08 |
| lcuk | that would be sweet if you could just choose which GPS to tune to | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | well today i am on Mars | 21:09 |
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| mgedmin | afaik these use more or less the same frequences/protocol, so that consumer devices can use both at the same time | 21:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Anyone know a way to let me use lettters as bluetooth pass code? Or workaround? | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12_N800: workaround: don't | 21:09 |
| practisevoodoo | lcuk, you're on mars too? | 21:09 |
| mgedmin | use numbers | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: nope unless you find a way to reflash bt device firmware | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | there are devices that don't support letters in bluetooth passcodes | 21:10 |
| practisevoodoo | im over by olympus mons having a beer | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | mgedmin: I have to. A bluetooth gps I have uses letters | 21:10 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, nahhh not current devices, you might get a dual format device eventually, but you cant just take a US GPS device and use i with gal | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i want localized GPS transmitters | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | lcuk: right | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i could set it up in the house and get an instant fix | 21:11 |
| k0uak | will it be okay with that ??? : sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.2 | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | k0uak: nope | 21:11 |
| lcuk | btw, mine can still only barely see 1 sat. its low on the bars as well | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | k0uak: get the app built for the right OS version | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | OS2008 has libdbus-1.so.3 | 21:11 |
| lcuk | hmmmm i seem to remember me not having wifi or bt on last time... | 21:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k0uak: you are out of luck then. no earlier powerline exists. flash to 2008he for a while? | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | show me the way.. to the next gps bar.. | 21:12 |
| k0uak | lol | 21:12 |
| k0uak | how i can flash 2008 to a 770 ? | 21:13 |
| k0uak | lol | 21:13 |
| lcuk | hmmm coincidence? i just disconnected wifi and i now have 3 | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you moved it | 21:13 |
| lcuk | no actually when i sat back down it went down, but then i stood up and i got more OMG its like old tv antennas | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | k0uak, http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-a5ee6b3cdb0011dc8afbe1ed42d754965496 | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | hand waving? | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | k0uak: it would be easier to rebuild the app for OS2006 | 21:14 |
| k0uak | just had to do : ln -s /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 | 21:14 |
| k0uak | and it worked :] | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | there's OS2008 Hacker's Edition, but it's in alpha and not supported | 21:14 |
| lcuk | i do that normally | 21:14 |
| * mgedmin shudders | 21:14 | |
| k0uak | great | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | expect trouble down the way | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works better than OS2006 for me. | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: everything works? wifi? browser? music? | 21:14 |
| k0uak | os2008 hackers edition ? | 21:14 |
| k0uak | ok | 21:14 |
| k0uak | i'll see that | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, mgedmin. | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | yay rules! | 21:14 |
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| k0uak | Nokia770-49:~# ./powerline getdevicelockcode | 21:15 |
| k0uak | Could not get introspection data for powered: The name org.maemo.Powered was not provided by any .service files | 21:15 |
| k0uak | booh :/ | 21:15 |
| NullM0dem | anyone port slackware to the n8*0's yet :-P | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | i was thinking about it | 21:16 |
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| k0uak | what mean this output please ? | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | k0uak: you need to install entire powerlaunch then | 21:16 |
| k0uak | ok | 21:16 |
| k0uak | :] | 21:16 |
| k0uak | i'll do that | 21:16 |
| lcuk | full compile on device :) | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, fun | 21:16 |
| NullM0dem | really KotCzarny? | 21:16 |
| lcuk | shouldnt be too bad as long as you get it up to 400mhz | 21:17 |
| * mgedmin wonders if his scratchbox works after the hardy heron upgrade | 21:17 | |
| johnx | NullM0dem, nah, Debian is enough of a challenge :P | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I think a port does exist. check their forums | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | it shouldn't be too hard | 21:17 |
| NullM0dem | stock debian? | 21:17 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, screenshots? what did you get running? | 21:17 |
| johnx | NullM0dem, largely | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | as most of the packages compile without a problem | 21:17 |
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| johnx | some custom packages to deal with hardware | 21:17 |
| k0uak | i have deb files for powerlaunch, so I'll have just to do a dpkg -i ? :/ | 21:17 |
| NullM0dem | im assuming nokia's distribution could use alot of optimization. | 21:18 |
| lcuk | i would love to start from scratch with a device like this | 21:19 |
| johnx | nah, it's pretty optimized, but it's also diverged significantly from modern debian | 21:19 |
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| NullM0dem | lcuk: It would be fun | 21:19 |
| glass | someone ran full debian on n800 iirc | 21:19 |
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| * johnx waves his hand in the air | 21:19 | |
| NullM0dem | nice, how does console work | 21:20 |
| NullM0dem | id like to choose X or tect interface at boot | 21:20 |
| johnx | that bit was tricky and it happened last | 21:20 |
| NullM0dem | *text | 21:20 |
| NullM0dem | i bet | 21:20 |
| NullM0dem | notice any increase in batt life running text only? | 21:21 |
| johnx | just recently fanoush (who is awesome) put together some tools for being able to actually switch on the framebuffer console | 21:21 |
| johnx | pretty bad battery hit running Debian vs ITOS | 21:21 |
| johnx | Missing a lot of power saving stuff | 21:21 |
| NullM0dem | APM etc? | 21:22 |
| johnx | that would be nice | 21:22 |
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| johnx | binary-only dsme from Nokia | 21:22 |
| NullM0dem | was going to ask about that | 21:22 |
| johnx | and bme for battery monitoring charging | 21:22 |
| Atarii | as if someone just typed APM | 21:22 |
| k0uak | must I try with the last powerlaunch version ? or the first ? | 21:22 |
| Atarii | i had just opened wiki on APM (Applicaiton Portfolio Management tho) not the same thing :P | 21:23 |
| johnx | god, I wish it was like the zaurus: apt-get install apmd && apm -s | 21:23 |
| NullM0dem | heh, sync | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx: indeed. framebuffer is great. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's interesting, Igor still maintains that those shouldn't be roadblocks because all that stuff is in the kernel. | 21:23 |
| NullM0dem | yep | 21:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well yeah, it's just a matter of interfacing to it | 21:24 |
| NullM0dem | which without docs could take a long time | 21:24 |
| johnx | and also wlancond handles a the wifi powersaving which is a huge deal | 21:24 |
| lcuk | still no gps lock by the way... | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: how long has it been searching? | 21:25 |
| johnx | anyways, enough ranting from me tonight, time for sleep :) | 21:26 |
| NullM0dem | nite johnx | 21:26 |
| johnx | 'night all | 21:26 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> right, just switched on now, its 19:05 <<< its not 19:26 | 21:26 |
| lcuk | now ^ | 21:26 |
| lcuk | holy flock! it got it | 21:26 |
| lcuk | 21 minutes... | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | That is extremely bad. | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | the very first fix is very slow | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | while the n810 figures out which hemisphere you're on, or something | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | then it gets better | 21:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets fixes with his $50 i-blue 737 in around 30 seconds. | 21:28 | |
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| mgedmin | n810 also can get a fix in 30 seconds, provided you try it within 4 hours since you last had a fix | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | or something like that | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | not practical though | 21:29 |
| k0uak | tried wuth the dpkg said that is missing : hildon-libs0 libglade2-0 | 21:29 |
| k0uak | and libosso1 | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's for a different version of ITOS. | 21:30 |
| k0uak | i tried with the 1st version of powerlaunch | 21:30 |
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| k0uak | damn | 21:33 |
| lcuk | 19:33 starting again | 21:33 |
| NullM0dem | whats that drift from lcuk? | 21:34 |
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| k0uak | someone know how to do ? :( | 21:36 |
| k0uak | please | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | install os2008he | 21:36 |
| k0uak | ok | 21:37 |
| k0uak | a link for me please ? | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org ? | 21:37 |
| k0uak | ok =] | 21:37 |
| snowmoon-work | I've found using openntpd improves the inital lock time while in imperfest GPS situations | 21:37 |
| snowmoon-work | at least with the internal n810 chip | 21:38 |
| lcuk | 19:37 locked NullM0dem what drift | 21:38 |
| k0uak | if i have windows can I install it too ? | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 21:38 |
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| NullM0dem | sorry, thought your clock was drifting, im doing too much :-P | 21:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:38 |
| k0uak | ok | 21:38 |
| lcuk | right back later | 21:38 |
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| k0uak | will i work with : http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html | 21:44 |
| k0uak | ? | 21:44 |
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| k0uak | or | 21:44 |
| k0uak | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php | 21:44 |
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| k0uak | with update tool | 21:45 |
| k0uak | sorry | 21:45 |
| k0uak | i'm a real noob XD | 21:45 |
| Atarii | yea it works with the windows update tool | 21:45 |
| k0uak | nice :D | 21:45 |
| Atarii | use the 2nd link to get the image | 21:46 |
| k0uak | not SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 21:47 |
| Atarii | yes thats the one | 21:48 |
| k0uak | okay :D | 21:48 |
| k0uak | thanks Atarii :] | 21:50 |
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| Atarii | np | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | oooh http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/04/23/nokia-internet-tablets-get-ubuntu-and-qt | 21:52 |
| dougt | comment #2 is pretty funny | 21:53 |
| lcuk | loading comments: Attempting to retrieve comments from forum system. | 21:53 |
| k0uak | xD | 21:54 |
| * lcuk goes back to his tea | 21:55 | |
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| k0uak | who has an opinion about htc shift ?? | 21:56 |
| NullM0dem | ubutu on n810! Why? | 21:57 |
| NullM0dem | I guess they will strip it down really well | 21:57 |
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| mgedmin | NullM0dem: why? 26 *thousand* packages | 22:00 |
| pupnik | stop! pizzaa time | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | granted, none of those are hildonized | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | still, all command-line tools already ported for your convenience | 22:00 |
| * mgedmin always thinks of the soviet hammer & sickle when he sees the Qt logo | 22:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | "Gim told us in an e-mail." | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha poor Gim . . . | 22:01 |
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| NullM0dem | I just have many hours invested in trimming ubuntu for users with lowend hardware | 22:02 |
| NullM0dem | 8 minute boot times etc | 22:02 |
| Mousey | NullM0dem: what about just using ubuntu mobile? | 22:02 |
| NullM0dem | was not aware of it thanks | 22:03 |
| Mousey | yah, ubuntu mobil | 22:03 |
| Mousey | e | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Maemo-LiveCD-58215.shtml lol | 22:04 |
| NullM0dem | is that slammp? | 22:04 |
| NullM0dem | I would do something like this for an interface, ROX and windowmaker | 22:04 |
| NullM0dem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdj6pB6nPLQ | 22:04 |
| ||cw | slowest i've run a standard distro on was a 486-50 with 32MB ram, debian sarge w/ 2.4 kernel worked pretty well on it | 22:04 |
| NullM0dem | ive used 166 and 266 with 128 megs ram | 22:06 |
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| NullM0dem | slack or base debian runs great | 22:06 |
| * KotCzarny has 386 with 4mb ram, but works with linux :> | 22:06 | |
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| KotCzarny | as a ssh terminal but .. :) | 22:06 |
| ||cw | this was a hp scanjet5 so command line only, worked pretty well | 22:06 |
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| KotCzarny | http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/12/mediamote.html | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | for xmms fans | 22:11 |
| k0uak | 2008 on :] yay | 22:13 |
| NullM0dem | I thought of doing that myself, there are alot of apps that can be remote controlled. VLC, mplayer as well | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | i'm using ncurses app as a frontend to mplayer | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:16 |
| NullM0dem | sweet | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | wanna see? | 22:16 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/pfl/ | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 22:17 |
| NullM0dem | i just bought a book on ncurses! | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pfl/ | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | book? | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 22:17 |
| k0uak | omg 2008 is great ^^ | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | nm: i'm using it as my main media player | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | because i can run it on screen | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | and reattach from diff machines | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | kot i think my wrist watch has more memory than your 386 | 22:19 |
| NullM0dem | KotCzarny: " programmers guide to ncurses" published by wiley | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: yeah, but can your wrist watch run linux? | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | and ssh? | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:20 |
| NullM0dem | and aafire | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i dunno probably :P | 22:20 |
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| k0uak | lcuk > what must I set for mirrors now I've set Nokia-OS2008 HE - | 22:21 |
| k0uak | ? | 22:21 |
| k0uak | plz | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | ermmmm i could answer that , but i'd be wrong | 22:21 |
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| k0uak | i'll try ^^ | 22:22 |
| * lcuk looks around like a rabbit in headlights | 22:22 | |
| pupnik | good song | 22:22 |
| * KotCzarny honks | 22:22 | |
| k0uak | ^^ | 22:22 |
| lcuk | evening pupnik | 22:22 |
| k0uak | but sound doesn't work under 2008 :/ | 22:23 |
| k0uak | is it a known bug ? | 22:24 |
| pupnik | huhu | 22:24 |
| Atarii | yup k0uak | 22:24 |
| k0uak | ok | 22:24 |
| k0uak | so i'll just use it to fix back this lock code :] | 22:24 |
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| k0uak | but i must found the good repository to install openssh ^^ | 22:25 |
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| Atarii | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 22:25 |
| k0uak | nice :] | 22:27 |
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| k0uak | it's chinook isn't it ? | 22:27 |
| Atarii | yea | 22:27 |
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| NullM0dem | KotCzarny: i was looking at your bootmenu.conf file. you use usb networking? is that ethernet? | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | nm: it's rescue mode | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, you can use usb-eth cable | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | search itt threads | 22:28 |
| NullM0dem | couple more days, till i get my tablets :) | 22:29 |
| NullM0dem | over anxious | 22:30 |
| k0uak | no way to fix sound on 2008 ? ^^ | 22:30 |
| Atarii | not yet k0uak | 22:31 |
| Atarii | its works fine with headphone i think | 22:31 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 22:31 |
| k0uak | hm i have a console under 2008 | 22:31 |
| k0uak | but | 22:31 |
| k0uak | when i sudo dpkg -i powerlaunch | 22:32 |
| k0uak | he ask me root passwd | 22:32 |
| k0uak | whats the default root passwd ? | 22:32 |
| Atarii | you need to install becomeroot | 22:32 |
| Atarii | or enable R&D mode | 22:32 |
| k0uak | ok | 22:32 |
| k0uak | =] | 22:32 |
| Atarii | oreos ftw | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | nm: pfl you can run on cygwin/regula linux too | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:34 |
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| k0uak | with 0S2007 hacker edition sound works on the 770 ? | 22:36 |
| Atarii | yes | 22:36 |
| Atarii | but 2008os is so much better | 22:36 |
| Atarii | he* | 22:36 |
| ||cw | 8 doens't work well on the 770 though | 22:37 |
| k0uak | ok =) | 22:37 |
| ||cw | or did something change int eh last month | 22:37 |
| k0uak | so i'll hack this password thing | 22:37 |
| k0uak | and jump on the 2007 | 22:37 |
| k0uak | i found 2008 cool ^^ | 22:38 |
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| k0uak | just no sound is no luck :( | 22:40 |
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| k0uak | omg | 22:50 |
| k0uak | when I try to launch "powerlaunch" | 22:50 |
| k0uak | it says a lot of text | 22:50 |
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| k0uak | powerlaunch[1970]: GLIB DEBUG default | 22:50 |
| k0uak | like that | 22:50 |
| k0uak | hmm | 22:51 |
| k0uak | i'm going to put 2007 :/ | 22:51 |
| k0uak | 2008 seems too be a bit ^^' | 22:51 |
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| k0uak | someone is alive ? ^^ | 23:21 |
| smackpotato | . | 23:22 |
| k0uak | hi | 23:22 |
| smackpotato | yo | 23:22 |
| k0uak | do u know the release name for the OS2007 hacker edition ? | 23:22 |
| smackpotato | no | 23:22 |
| k0uak | ok ^^ | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php | 23:23 |
| k0uak | thx =) | 23:23 |
| k0uak | don't find ^^' | 23:24 |
| smackpotato | here you go | 23:25 |
| smackpotato | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ | 23:25 |
| k0uak | ok thx | 23:25 |
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| k0uak | omg i hope powerlauncher will work on `://// | 23:28 |
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| tsukasa_ | this is offtopic but which should i get, a futon or a mattress | 23:30 |
| tsukasa_ | im moving to an unfurnished apt next semester | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | both | 23:31 |
| tsukasa_ | both? | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | you put mattress on a futon? | 23:31 |
| tsukasa_ | i mean a normal mattress, vs futon + frame | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | tsukasa_, get a real pillow top. :P | 23:31 |
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| tsukasa_ | are futons comfortable compared to a reg mattress? | 23:33 |
| tsukasa_ | ive never used one | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the futon. | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | go to the shop and test it? | 23:33 |
| tsukasa_ | hmm i think i will | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's a personal preference anyway | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Futons tend to get lumpy over time. | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is irritating. | 23:34 |
| tsukasa_ | what about air mattresses? | 23:34 |
| tsukasa_ | any good? | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the air mattress. ;) | 23:34 |
| tsukasa_ | =P | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nautilus/Select Comfort stuff is good | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | but expensive. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | The benefit to a cheap pillow top isn't all that high. | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/to/over/ | 23:35 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: The benefit over a cheap pillow top isn't all that high. | 23:35 |
| wnd | I definitely prefer futon found in a cheap japanese ryokan over "reg mattress" found in most hotels | 23:36 |
| NullM0dem | i have a decent air matress forget what it is, has a builtin pump | 23:36 |
| AStorm | less springs? | 23:36 |
| lcuk2 | air matresses are comfy and fun, however with someone else the fun goes away at 4am when they get up to go to the toilet | 23:37 |
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| NullM0dem | haha | 23:37 |
| lcuk2 | reminds me of a space hopper | 23:37 |
| joe_mib | Can anyone give me a hint on how to solve that nautilus level in NumpyPhysics ? | 23:39 |
| AStorm | water matress? | 23:39 |
| tsukasa_ | waters too expensive i think | 23:40 |
| tsukasa_ | plus you have to sign shit to get them in the apt | 23:40 |
| tsukasa_ | in case they explode and cause water damage | 23:40 |
| AStorm | rotfl | 23:41 |
| lcuk2 | TIDAL WAVE! | 23:41 |
| AStorm | I would be more afraid of broken pipes than some matress | 23:41 |
| lcuk2 | do not underestimate how much water you need to fill a waterbed | 23:41 |
| AStorm | about a bathtub's worth | 23:41 |
| wnd | or energy to keep it warm ;-) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk2 | for what? a small single compact bed? | 23:42 |
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| AStorm | lcuk2: nah | 23:42 |
| k0uak | what version of powerlauncher would you recommend me with os2007 ? | 23:42 |
| AStorm | non-broken one | 23:43 |
| k0uak | lol | 23:43 |
| AStorm | there's none, so you're out of luck | 23:43 |
| k0uak | it didn't worked under os2008 ://// | 23:43 |
| AStorm | nah, it does | 23:43 |
| joe_mib | err ok... | 23:44 |
| AStorm | but it's a buggy piece of s...oftware anyway | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | heh :D | 23:44 |
| k0uak | yes but i have to find my code back :/ | 23:44 |
| k0uak | bcz it worked this afternoon for another user | 23:44 |
| AStorm | you can reset the code using the flasher afaicr | 23:44 |
| k0uak | afaicr ? | 23:45 |
| AStorm | ~afaicr | 23:45 |
| k0uak | ok | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | as far as i can remember | 23:45 |
| AStorm | infobot: YOU! | 23:45 |
| infobot | astorm, I love abuse, feed me! | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | or he just spewed onto his keyboard | 23:45 |
| k0uak | OK | 23:45 |
| k0uak | but | 23:45 |
| k0uak | i used the nokia flasher/updater | 23:46 |
| AStorm | ~acronym afaicr | 23:46 |
| k0uak | it didn't remove any code | 23:46 |
| k0uak | ok ^^ | 23:46 |
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| AStorm | k0uak: it's a separate option of it | 23:46 |
| smackpotato | joe which is the nautalis level am i missing something | 23:46 |
| k0uak | how to do it ? please :/ | 23:46 |
| AStorm | k0uak: I'm talking about linux flasher-3.0 | 23:46 |
| k0uak | ok | 23:47 |
| k0uak | :/ | 23:47 |
| k0uak | i'll try to reinstall 2008 and again this real useful tool | 23:47 |
| k0uak | lol | 23:47 |
| k0uak | i hope it will work under 2008 .. | 23:48 |
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| k0uak | booh | 23:50 |
| cLin | anyone use motion on os2008? | 23:52 |
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| practisevoodoo | is there a vnc for the n810 | 23:52 |
| AStorm | k0uak: you must run it on the PC | 23:52 |
| AStorm | using an USB cable to connect the N | 23:53 |
| lcuk2 | practisevoodoo, client or server? | 23:53 |
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| lcuk2 | although the answer is yes | 23:53 |
| k0uak | yeah it's what I do .. with the nokia update tool | 23:53 |
| k0uak | what i do wrong ? | 23:53 |
| practisevoodoo | client | 23:53 |
| AStorm | k0uak: nah, the Windows tool is junk | 23:53 |
| AStorm | use the real flasher | 23:54 |
| practisevoodoo | i mean i found this http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/11/21/accessing-gnulinux-windows-desktop-remotely-from-nokia-n800-using-vnc-viewer/ but it wont instal | 23:54 |
| k0uak | Yes but I don't have linux ^^' | 23:54 |
| k0uak | here | 23:54 |
| k0uak | i have only dedicated servers under linux :/ | 23:54 |
| AStorm | k0uak: so use vmware | 23:54 |
| lcuk2 | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:54 |
| k0uak | ok =) | 23:54 |
| AStorm | it does support USB | 23:54 |
| k0uak | vmware workstation ? | 23:54 |
| AStorm | yes | 23:54 |
| AStorm | or player | 23:54 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 23:54 |
| k0uak | what version is the best for u ? | 23:54 |
| AStorm | you can find many different linux images for vmware, ready to run | 23:55 |
| AStorm | k0uak: player is free | 23:55 |
| k0uak | ok | 23:55 |
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| k0uak | i'll use player so | 23:55 |
| AStorm | but it can't create new vms, so you have to use some premade one | 23:55 |
| k0uak | i hope real flasher will remove this crappy keylock code :] | 23:55 |
| AStorm | Nokia has one with full devel env. | 23:55 |
| k0uak | ok Astorm | 23:55 |
| lcuk2 | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:55 |
| k0uak | ok | 23:56 |
| * lcuk2 wonders if anyone else needs anything googling | 23:56 | |
| k0uak | and nokia is best ? | 23:56 |
| k0uak | or i must use the maemo tool ? | 23:56 |
| AStorm | the what? | 23:56 |
| lcuk2 | no, if you have your own linux distro you can install yourself | 23:56 |
| AStorm | lcuk2: he doesn't | 23:56 |
| lcuk2 | but the simplest way to get the sdk is to try the vmware image :) | 23:56 |
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| k0uak | What image is the best for you ? ^^ | 23:57 |
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| AStorm | k0uak: any Linux will do | 23:57 |
| AStorm | almost any | 23:57 |
| k0uak | ok :] | 23:57 |
| AStorm | on 99,9% of distros flasher will work | 23:57 |
| practisevoodoo_ | i am going to kill my isp, anyway lcuk2 do you know where i can get the client? | 23:57 |
| lcuk2 | http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:57 |
| k0uak | So i could take the first maemo sdk ^^ | 23:57 |
| k0uak | link | 23:57 |
| k0uak | :] | 23:57 |
| k0uak | ok | 23:57 |
| k0uak | nice | 23:57 |
| tsukasa_ | how good is vnc on the 800? | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | its great on my 810 | 23:58 |
| tsukasa_ | is it any more laggy then desktop vnc | 23:58 |
| k0uak | there is no problem flashing N770 under 2007hacked and removing the code ? | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | i use it rotated 90deg though :) | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | never noticed a problem with vnc at all | 23:58 |
| practisevoodoo_ | yeah i found that site and it wont install | 23:58 |
| tsukasa_ | cool | 23:58 |
| tsukasa_ | is that vnc to nix or windows | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh.. | 23:58 |
| * ljp just installed the maemo sdk in the qtopia sdk | 23:58 | |
| lcuk2 | i was sure i got mine from there | 23:59 |
| practisevoodoo_ | hang on ill get the error message | 23:59 |
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