IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-04-24

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jottKotCzarny: actually read this:  :)00:02
KotCzarnyi don't know if i want..00:02
pupnikyuv420.  heh heh heh.00:02
jott(and yes it's a trollish parody of a trollish original section :)00:03
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RST38hOh, the meanwhile guy continues on his crusade?00:05
GeneralAntillesIt's becoming quite the spectacle.00:05
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RST38hThe key is, as always, making him kill himself00:08
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RST38hPreferably while being online, although I understand we can't hope for a live video feed of the event00:08
acydlordman, i was all excited cause i got mitter running well on the n810, till i closed it00:09
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Jsn0327does anyone know of a command within terminal to display the properties of a device/directory?  like the size of it00:11
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Jsn0327do you know what the terminal command is to change directories back one level?00:15
GeneralAntillescd ..l00:16
GeneralAntillescd ../00:16
KotCzarnycd ..00:16
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Jsn0327thanks i didn't know that you had to put the spaces00:17
KotCzarnyit's not winDOS00:17
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KotCzarnybut you can always set up an alias00:17
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Jsn0327i can not get a partition on my mmc to mount.  is this because i set a boot flag to the partition?00:43
qwerty12_N800Over USB?00:43
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Dylan_Hello, is there anybody here who could help me out?00:44
Jsn0327what do you mean over usb?00:44
Dylan_I am trying to install a .tgz file on my N770.00:44
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Jsn0327i'm trying to mount it using mount /dev/mmc2blk0p2 /opt and it says mounting failed00:45
GeneralAntillesDylan_, extracting it to /usr/local/bin is the way to go.00:45
qwerty12_N800Jsn0327: Ah, excuse me then.00:45
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KotCzarnyjsn: do dmesg|tail -n 3000:46
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Dylan_Exactly how do I do that? :p00:46
KotCzarnyit may tell you what's wrong00:46
qwerty12_N800But have you inserted modules for filesystem etc?00:46
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GeneralAntillesDylan_, get the .tgz to /usr/local/bin00:47
GeneralAntilles(you may have to create it)00:47
GeneralAntillesand expand it with tar00:47
KotCzarnyga, your advice may be wrong00:48
Jsn0327KotCzarny: that output doesn't say anything about the mmc except "setting voltage 'vmmc' to 300 mV00:48
KotCzarnyyou don't know that's in that .tgz file00:48
Dylan_It is.00:48
KotCzarnyjasn: try to mount, then do the dmesg00:48
Jsn0327i just did that.  it says EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled like 10 times00:49
Dylan_Thank you for the help, GeneralAntilles.00:49
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KotCzarnyjsn: pasting error message may be helpful00:50
KotCzarny(from the mount)00:50
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Jsn0327i know that the partition is good, when i connect it to my ubuntu desktop via the usb cable it brings up both of the partitions on the mmc00:50
qwerty12_N800Jsn0327: Also post the result of lsmod if you can too.00:50
KotCzarnyyou can't have partition mounted in both places at one time00:51
Jsn0327mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed00:51
Dylan_Out of curiousity, has any one tried installing other OS's on the N770?00:51
KotCzarnywell, oyu can, but your data will be deadbits then00:51
Mouseyi figured out why it keeps rebooting00:51
KotCzarnyjsn: nothing else?00:51
Mouseydon't ln -s all of /var/cache to /media/mmc2/*/var/cache00:51
Mouseyhal will get mad at you00:51
Mouseyand not open the pod bay doors anymore00:52
KotCzarnymousey: life, you can ln, but you have to mount it early00:52
KotCzarnyvery early00:52
Jsn0327no thats all from the mount.  i'm trying to open up irc on the tablet to past the lsmod00:52
Mouseyi can just remain ignorant ^_^00:52
lcukany idea how to replace SDL_GetTicks with a standard system function?00:52
KotCzarnylcuk: what does it do?00:52
lcukit gets the ticks..00:52
KotCzarnylike time() ?00:53
lcukincrimenting timer00:53
lcukMS resolution00:53
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KotCzarnyi think there is a function to get higher res timers00:53
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lcukyer i would think so as well, it appears to be the only thing still requiring sdl00:53
* lcuk is up to his armpits in a code reorganization00:54
KotCzarnyi think time() returns time_t strict00:54
^Jsn^this is the first time that i've gotten to try out the new bluetooth keyboard with irc.  i like it00:54
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KotCzarnywhich has us too00:54
^Jsn^here is my lsmod00:54
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KotCzarnyor was it another one00:54
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lcuktime is to the second00:54
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^Jsn^Module                  Size  Used by00:54
KotCzarnyjsn: pastebin.com00:55
lcuknot very good when i am trying to pull out fast things, ill look from there thx kot00:55
KotCzarnyman utime00:55
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KotCzarnyerm, sorry00:55
KotCzarnythat's for files00:55
jottlcuk: man gettimeofday -> tv_usec00:56
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KotCzarnyyeah, that's the name00:56
KotCzarnyyou can also set up a timer for you00:57
Jsn0327alright i just posted it under jason00:57
KotCzarnyjsn: link00:57
lcukthx jott00:58
KotCzarnywhat is filesystem on the partition you are mounting00:58
qwerty12_N800Insert correct modules.00:58
Jsn0327ext 200:58
Jsn0327qwerty12: talkin to me?00:59
qwerty12_N800Jsn0327: Yes. For ext2, lts smething llike mbcache, jbd and ext200:59
qwerty12_N800Insmod them from /mnt/initfs/llib/modules/2.6.21-o<something>01:00
KotCzarnyqwerty: about your earlier question about modprobe, just symlink or copy modules to /lib/modules01:00
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KotCzarnycp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/* /lib/modules/01:00
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: Thanks :), some things I got depend on modprobe01:01
jottqwerty12_N800: <- you might also want to run this after you have the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)01:01
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KotCzarnyjott: usually modprobe.dep file exists01:02
KotCzarnyit's the matter of copying modules tree to the proper place01:02
qwerty12_N800jott: Many thanks01:02
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: Not on my n800 :)01:02
jottKotCzarny: no modprobe.dep here and not for new modules either01:03
KotCzarnyon mine it is01:03
KotCzarnyi believe01:03
KotCzarnyjott: but if you compile your own kjernel01:03
KotCzarnyand issue make modules_install01:03
KotCzarnyit will run depmod -a on your new moduels dir01:03
KotCzarnythen if you copy that dir you will have it01:03
jottbut depmod is missing :)01:04
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KotCzarnybut it's only needed when you copy single module file01:04
KotCzarnynot the whole dir after make modules_install01:04
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Jsn0327that was it. thanks alot!01:05
qwerty12_N800Thanks both :). This will make things easier. I'm trying to get flashcam to run on my n8800. After messing in sbox, I got01:05
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qwerty12_N800module and prog to build01:05
qwerty12_N800Lol, hildon kbd messing me around :p01:06
KotCzarnyn8800 even01:06
qwerty12_N800Jsn0327: Great :)01:06
qwerty12_N800It has omap3 :p01:06
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KotCzarnyit has or it hasn't01:06
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KotCzarnyno one knows, yet01:06
Jsn0327does anyone know the terminal command to remove a directory and all contents inside?01:07
KotCzarnyrm -rf01:08
Jsn0327thanks i tried rm but i didn't know about the flags01:08
KotCzarnyread manuals01:08
qwerty12_N800I once did that with / >.<01:08
KotCzarnyif you don't have a linux system01:08
KotCzarnyjut google for: man rm01:08
Jsn0327believe me i do read the manuals.  i'm just trying to do this quickly.  i don't have time to go threw manuals for one command01:09
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KotCzarnybut you will be using it often01:09
KotCzarnyso it's good to know01:09
qwerty12_N800I should build man for myself and move docpurge script. I have quite a bit to learn tbh with myself.01:11
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KotCzarnyjust do man in sbox01:11
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qwerty12_N800I'm not always near my comp though :). I wish Linux could have more sense  though. I was trying to run a program and I set it executable and place it in bin and it says it isn't found. Of course, a day later I realise It's  a script and was trying to call bash which I didn't have at the time. If it said bash not found, I'd have understood a lot faster.01:15
chrisakI posted in ITT but will try here; cannot edit my google group - cannot select text area.  Last comment on this is back in 12/2007 re: google spreadsheet.  Has there been a solution found?01:15
KotCzarnyqwerty: it's not linux but default shell i guess01:16
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: True. I guess I am in wrong habit of classifying everything as linux :/01:17
KotCzarnyi think busybox can be compiled for m$ windows too01:18
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KotCzarnyfor example01:19
qwerty12_N800KotCzarny: Probably go well together :p..Cut down things...01:19
qwerty12_N800But since01:19
qwerty12_N800eek hildon kbd :(01:19
qwerty12_N800But since I got N800 and  realised I work well with linux, I haven't booted in windows for months except recently to try and flash dead p1i I have.01:20
NullM0demim waiting on mine, anxiously01:21
qwerty12_N800NullM0dem: N8*0?01:21
NullM0demn810, n80001:22
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NullM0demstill tossing it, i mat get both... one for my brother01:22
KotCzarnydon't forget to repartition sd drive on n81001:22
KotCzarnyfactory default is broken afair01:22
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NullM0demill read into that, thanks!01:23
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jotthm the nokia tube will already be out this summer?!01:24
qwerty12_N800The S60 touch phone?01:25
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Mouseywill it run maemo?01:25
jottno but it will probably have an omap3.01:26
GeneralAntillesNo, Mousey.01:26
KotCzarnyif it's s60 it will run symbian os01:26
* Mousey stops caring ^_^01:26
qwerty12_N800Ah, I'm not keen on that.  I think Nokia should have put standard s60 buttons as the range of apps available for s60 is amazing01:26
qwerty12_N800no touchscreen means less, if any, compatibity01:27
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qwerty12_N800I mean no buttons01:27
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jottso it's an indicator for the omap3 platform availability at nokia and i doubt a n900 will be out before an s60 device with omap3 is out.01:28
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Mouseywill rhapsody play realmedia video?01:30
KotCzarnyreal media is meh.01:30
Mouseymaybe, but i have two episodes of Trigun i MUST WATCH01:30
Mouseythey're regrettably rm01:30
Mouseyi'm missing or some such01:31
KotCzarnyon pc or nokia?01:31
KotCzarnygrab the mplayer-codecs package01:31
Mouseyit's in the w32codecs package, but not the w64codecs pack01:31
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KotCzarnycurse rm for binary drivers01:32
Mousey...or i just play them in rhapsody?01:32
jottcan't helix play rms?01:32
* Mousey apt-cache search's helix01:32
qwerty12_N800Does our Internet Tablets have the real binary codec?01:34
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* Mousey writes a gnarly script to remove all -dev and -dbg packages and free up all kindsa space on his /01:37
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qwerty12_N800dev packages are quite useful01:38
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tsukasa_i bought my n800 this morning01:45
NullM0demhow is it01:45
tsukasa_$150 online01:45
tsukasa_not here yet =P01:45
KotCzarnywith s&h ?01:45
KotCzarnyand tax?01:45
tsukasa_nah $9 fedex standard shipping01:46
tsukasa_no tax01:46
NullM0demwhere did you pick it up?01:46
tsukasa_so $159 total01:46
KotCzarnynot a bad deal01:46
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tsukasa_its $175 listed then i offered them 15001:46
tsukasa_and was like ebay its selling for 140 but id rather buy on this site01:46
tsukasa_a mixutre of bluffing and kissup01:46
tsukasa_it worked01:46
KotCzarnyis ebay selling them for 140?01:47
tsukasa_no =)01:47
KotCzarnyi wonder if they find out01:47
KotCzarnyor if you get your device01:47
tsukasa_shipping out of tenessee tomorrow at 8am01:47
KotCzarnyyou will get finely packaged brick01:48
tsukasa_what kindof cards should i get01:48
tsukasa_4gb micro sdhc01:48
Mouseytoshiba 32GB SDHC!!01:48
Mouseytwo of them!!01:48
KotCzarnyn800 uses standard sized sd01:48
tsukasa_so 2gb is max per slot?01:48
KotCzarnywhy ':<'01:48
KotCzarnyit's good01:48
Mouseytsavola: 32gb!01:48
KotCzarnysd == sd and sdhc01:48
tsukasa_i thought you meant non hc lol01:49
NullM0demthe 800 takles 32gb?01:49
MouseyNullM0dem: well i know it does 16gb01:49
trollasaurusMy N810 should be in this week :-)01:49
Mouseyso i hope it does 3201:49
GeneralAntillesNullM0dem, the hardware is limited to 2048GB01:49
Mouseythat's when i get mine01:49
MouseyGeneralAntilles: that's a lot of GBs01:49
NullM0demIve read the n810 takes less than the n800 has this changed?01:49
tsukasa_hey.... could you raid0 the cards? o_001:49
MouseyNullM0dem: the n810 [which i have currently] only takes 1 miniSD01:50
NullM0demthat would be odd :-P01:50
qwerty12_N800Or plug in an hard drive :p01:50
Mouseytsukasa_: unionfs01:50
Mouseytsukasa_: my idea was LVM, but unionfs is probably a better solution01:50
KotCzarnytoo much fuss01:50
KotCzarnyand 4gb is more than enough01:50
tsukasa_well its still interesting from a technical standpoint01:50
tsukasa_no its not rofl01:50
Mouseyclearly your anime/music collection is quite small01:51
tsukasa_ /porn01:51
KotCzarnyever heard about network drive?01:51
Mouseymy n800 will be my external USB storage for my n81001:51
NullM0demHousey: do you have a 16gb card in your n810 ?01:51
KotCzarnywhy usb01:51
KotCzarnysshfs is better01:51
MouseyKotCzarny: but USB is faster =)01:51
KotCzarnymousey: prove it01:51
Mouseyok, lemme borrow your n80001:51
KotCzarnyok, but i won't let you see my data01:52
Mouseyfine, i just want it for the slots anyway01:52
KotCzarnyit has a soul too, you know?01:52
tsukasa_so you can use it as a usb drive? what connector?01:52
Mouseyit wouldn't be any fun to corrupt without a soul01:52
tsukasa_its not usb <-> usb is it01:53
Mouseytsukasa_: microUSB to mini01:53
KotCzarnytsukasa: miniusb afair01:53
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NullM0demim buying a ts-7800 to build as a cusotm fileserver / media player, in wish i wish to interface form the nokia.01:53
NullM0demthe ts-7800 is an arm based embedded board01:53
Mouseyi have the microUSB host cable, so all i need is the n800 to mount the fs's on my n81001:53
KotCzarnynullm0dem: does it have sshd ?01:53
NullM0demyit runs debain01:53
NullM0demyit has whatever i want it too :P01:53
KotCzarnythen sshfs01:53
KotCzarnyor anything01:53
Mouseyexcept LVM01:54
KotCzarnydarn. my head hurts01:54
KotCzarnyi hate summer01:54
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NullM0demheres the link if interested
NullM0demthe site is hosted on the board as well01:55
tsukasa_Cons: will only see 14.9 gb, tried LL format made no difference..oh well its still 14.9 gbs01:55
tsukasa_god i hate newegg reviews01:55
tsukasa_people are so stupid01:55
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Mouseywow pc10401:55
tsukasa_that goes hand in hand with laptops... Cons: has vista01:55
Mouseycons: has windows01:56
KotCzarnycons: isn't free01:56
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Mouseycons: has antivirus software!01:56
KotCzarnycons: doesn't do what i want it to do without me telling it to do it01:56
Mouseycons: steals your money and spies on your parents01:57
KotCzarnycons: doesn't walk the dog01:57
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Mouseycons: steals your girlfriend01:57
KotCzarnythat's useful sometimes01:57
Mouseygood point01:58
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tsukasa_why is 10 gigabit so expensive01:58
KotCzarnyjust remember what was the price for 10mbit 10 years ago01:59
tsukasa_is it normally that high for new ethernet standards?01:59
tsukasa_lol idremember01:59
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tsukasa_i wonder why they arent more worried about the rest of the bottlenecks out there02:00
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Mouseyi remember when 1Gb was expensive. now it comes free with your happy meal02:01
NullM0demi remember when 20 megs was expensive02:02
KotCzarnybut now happy meal is expensive02:02
KotCzarnyUn-brickable design ensures 100% recoverability from SD card in case of onboard flash erasure.02:04
KotCzarnynokia should include feature like this02:04
NullM0demI couldant decide if i wanted the n8*0 or that board first, Should be alot of fun to play with02:05
KotCzarnyjust decide based on what features you need more02:05
KotCzarnyportable tablet or home server02:05
KotCzarnyhome server can be done on free p3 box :)02:05
NullM0demwell they will be symbiotic to each other02:06
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NullM0dembut this is lowpowerd with ARM ;-)02:06
KotCzarnyotoh nokia's prices are falling all the time02:07
KotCzarnyi could use third screen02:09
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NullM0demwow, i just read the n8*0's swap to flash.. Is that default?02:13
NullM0demI would think swap would be turned off02:14
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KotCzarnyit's not enabled by default02:16
KotCzarnybut useful sometimes02:16
NullM0demok thanks02:18
NullM0demive been reading pretty much every google hit i can find, some mis info out there02:18
NullM0demi have not bought a handheld since the ipaq 39xx series02:19
NullM0demfelt ripped off02:19
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MouseyNullM0dem: i don't know how much of a linux0r you are, but my n810 is the best handheld i've ever even heard of02:20
Mouseymuch less owned02:20
Mouseyi don't even carry a notebook anymore02:20
Mouseynot that i'm a nokia fan or anything02:21
NullM0demive used linux since 2000 as my primary os02:21
NullM0demmainly slack and debian02:21
Mouseywell then you'll love the n81002:21
NullM0demI switched to linux for the free programming tools, and the baility to read source:)02:21
Mouseyi can't speak about the 800, i couldn't own a handheld without a keyboard. but i'm clearly not the majority02:21
NullM0demi dont have patiencs for stylus typing02:22
GeneralAntillesStylus typing is lame02:22
GeneralAntillesFullscreen keyboard is the way to go.02:22
NullM0demI type too much, I have been looking at the frogpads on think geek, anyone use these?02:22
GeneralAntillesJust get an iGo02:22
GeneralAntillesThe frogpad is way too expensive.02:23
NullM0demill check it out02:23
Mouseyfullscreen keyboards shorten touchscreen lives02:23
Mouseyhardware keyboard!02:23
GeneralAntillesHardware keyboards kill features.02:23
Mouseyhardware keyboard IS the feature! =P02:24
NullM0demiGo is the brandname?02:24
KotCzarnygoogle for 'igo slim'02:24
KotCzarnyor 'igo ultra slim'02:24
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LateralusIs anyone else experiencing a problem with file handles remaining open in chinook? I have a piece of code writing a file, fopen(), fwrite(), fflush() and then fclose(), but afterwards trying to delete that file in the file manager it reports that "the file is in use"02:45
jottLateralus: you could use "fuser filename" to check which pid still has the file open02:52
jottand also make sure to check the return value of the f*() functions02:52
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Mouseyso relocating /usr/share/locale ... not so good idea02:53
KotCzarnymousey, just go 'boot from sd card' route02:53
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Mouseyi know i know! i'm tryna stay ignorant as long as i can02:54
Lateralusjott: Actually, I'm not checking those values (*blush*). lsof reports that my process is the one with the file open, though02:54
Mouseyit's a respectable course of action, i know02:54
jottLateralus: ok so maybe something went wrong while using those funtions. just check the return values - it might help.02:55
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NullM0demWhat are you doing Mousey?03:00
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NullM0demIm just interested in any hacks or customizations :-)03:01
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MouseyNullM0dem: trying to conserve space on / the lazy ignorant way03:06
GeneralAntillesJust boot from the card. . .03:06
GeneralAntillesNo point in setting it up so you have twice the breakable parts. :\03:06
Mouseyinstead of installing some magical new initfs which allows me to boot from other devices and such03:06
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NullM0demSo you could set it up to boot custom os images form flash?03:07
NullM0demfunny i was just wondering about that03:08
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NullM0demkbdd that is03:09
NullM0demscummvm no way!!!03:10
GeneralAntillesWorks great, too.03:10
GeneralAntillesYou might like this, NullM0dem:
tsukasa_hows emulation on the n80003:11
tsukasa_snes work?03:11
GeneralAntillesDoom and Quake I/II as well if you're into FPS action.03:11
GeneralAntillestsukasa_, not wonderful03:11
GeneralAntillesBut looking up.03:11
NullM0demthe newton was awesome BTW03:11
GeneralAntillesYes it was.03:12
GeneralAntillesThe HRW was a thing of beauty.03:12
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WormFoodif one of you guys wants to do something really cool, you can compile/port this program to the N800
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WormFoodI installed the palm emulator, and tried the program of the same name, but it sucks compared to the one for KDE...I'd just use my laptop....but many times I want to run that program and I can't because I don't have space to use my a version of the N800 would be awesome for me03:20
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NullM0demtheres also gemRB which does some of the older bioware games03:22
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NullM0demanyone try that out yet?03:22
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NullM0demGeneralAntilles: Great article thanks!03:26
GeneralAntillesSure. I hope you'll contribute your own story whenever you get a device. :)03:26
NaviDon't do it03:27
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NaviI didn't do it and I'm much more happier than if I did03:27
GeneralAntillesHow do you know?03:28
GeneralAntillesYou didn't do it, so you have no basis for comparison. :P03:28
NullM0demIm going to be doing various things with it, ill document them for sure03:28
NaviI can foresee the different branches of the future that are created through different actions03:28
* GeneralAntilles begins throwing temporary tattoos and wet towels at Navi.03:28
GeneralAntillesWho are you, Muad'Dib?03:29
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NaviActually, remember the story I told lcuk?03:30
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GeneralAntillesIt was lame.03:30
NaviI kno rite?03:30
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GeneralAntillesYou felt bad afterwords because it was lame. :P03:31
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NaviThat was part of what I had written for that article03:31
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GeneralAntillesSpeak of the devil.03:31
Navibut I'm never going to get around to finishing it because you're a meanie weenie03:31
GeneralAntillesi kno rite?03:31
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* lcuk now starts pondering what he missed by closing the wrong tab03:34
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that's what this is for:
fysa<Navi> I kno rite?03:36
NaviYa omg03:37
GeneralAntillesThough I have no idea what a "Maemo IR Clog" is.03:37
lcukyer im on there but it still doesnt make sense :P03:37
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GeneralAntilles<fysa> <Navi> I kno rite?03:37
* lcuk is wonderin what story was lame. its been a v long day and i forget almost everything03:37
Navilcuk, oh, it's the story I talked to you about03:38
Navithe story about why I got my N80003:38
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NaviI told it to you Sunday or Saturday03:38
lcukoh that one.... yer i remember... ummm *quick look around*03:39
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* lcuk already knows not to believe everything he reads on the internet03:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you're blind!03:40
lcuknow, onto other stuff, should i bury my head back into vmware or should i go to bed03:40
lcuki am almost03:40
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* GeneralAntilles cracks the whip!03:41
* shapr cracks the plate!03:41
GeneralAntillesThat's the nice china!03:41
shaprMan I'm tired.. do I play with electronics, or do I get a 32-bit maemo chroot working?03:42
GeneralAntilles32-bit maemo chroot!03:42
lcukor play with the hardware if there is any chance of getting linux running on it03:42
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kbsinghanyone seen on the n810 ? I seem to have just suffered something similar. wifi gave up when running scp from a local machine.03:45
shaprlcuk: Not yet.. haven't got my BUG yet!03:45
kbsinghnow, wifi wont connect to the same AP anymore, tried the powercycle, tried making sure btty is fully charged etc.03:45
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kbsingham open to ideas, suggestions :D03:45
GeneralAntilles Kill the AP?03:45
GeneralAntillesTry connecting with a static IP?03:46
kbsinghpowercycled the AP, tried static IP ( its on static anyway - so yea, tried dhcp as well )03:46
shaprWith 0S2007 I had a problem with one particular AP, whenever it was sending beacons, I couldn't connect to *anything*.03:46
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kbsinghI've tried changing channels on the AP as well ( its on auto - europe, selected 6 ) so I tried it on 4 / 8 / 11. made no diff to the other devices that use it, also made no diff to the n81003:47
kbsinghNullM0dem: did you break my device ?03:48
shaprChannel 11 tends to have less noise, ime03:48
NullM0demno i use centos and recognized you03:48
kbsinghalso, why does your nick ring a bell NullM0dem03:48
NullM0demlurked in centos a few years ago03:48
* kbsingh retries hard wiring to 1103:49
NullM0demtested xen packages03:49
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kbsingh #centos gets a fair bit of noise and noobs these days :/ guess its a good sign , but I end up staying away a lot :D03:51
NullM0demkbsingh: how much traffic for the scp session03:53
kbsinghit did about 380MiB before going off... and it was running at about 500 - 550K/sec03:54
kbsinghI guess there is reasonable evidence that its no longer associating with the AP, it never gets a dhcp request onto the network and the AP does not seem to list its MAC as 'seen' anymore03:55
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NullM0demthat happend to a laptop once, while i was building LFS over SSH03:56
NullM0demi was dropped and couldant reconnect till i powercycled everything03:56
NullM0demwas odd for sure03:57
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kbsinghhumm... i can see it hit the radius instance for auth info.04:02
* kbsingh scratches his head...W.T.F is going on here :/04:02
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KotCzarnynext olympic games category?05:13
KotCzarnypost with hologram is also interesting05:13
NullM0demnever knew of such a thing05:16
KotCzarnyme too05:16
KotCzarnybut i guess, it's people, with too much time05:16
halleckthey should spend it coding :P05:16
NullM0demheh, I could say the same with my linux habits05:17
KotCzarnymaybe it helps them thinking ;)05:17
kbsinghright, time to get some sleep me thinks.05:17
kbsinghSIGSLEEP #maemo05:17
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halleckWhat is funny is while  I found the clip extreamly boring I was impressed with the lighting and camera angles :)05:18
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NullM0demIt was well filmed, im impressed at the fact you could only see the hand05:19
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lcukKotCzarny, im tired now.  take a look05:54
* lcuk has been getting ready for some major changes05:54
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KotCzarnyagent 00806:12
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* n800n playing half life 2 on n80006:37
n800nok, bad joke.06:37
johnxn800n, not exactly hl2 but did you see the opengl demo running on an OMAP3 that xfade linked?06:38
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* johnx digs up the link06:39
NaviOMAP3 has a lot of power under the hood for a mobile chip06:39
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johnxyeah, I'm really looking forward to it :D06:39
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johnxI was expecting some janky n64 graphics but that's pretty awesome :)06:40
johnxI'm gonna have to sell a kidney or two to be able to afford to get the pandora or whatever Nokia releases with an OMAP3 but still...06:41
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n800ni really hope people will start using the i.t.'s for sound making soon06:41
NaviI wish the Pandora had the GP2X's form06:41
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NaviI'm really not a fan of the clamshell thing06:41
johnxI don't care what form it has as long as it has a decent d-pad06:42
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NaviI liked the mods with the N-Gage dpad on the F100s06:43
NaviIf it's one thing that the N-Gage did right (the ONLY thing), it's the dpad.06:43
johnxheck, even zaurus c1000 d-pad is fine, but the n800 (and n810 from what I've heard) is inexcusable06:43
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KotCzarnyit was designed by sega i think06:44
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KotCzarny(the original n-gage)06:45
johnxseriously though, it's just not rocket science to make a good durable d-pad06:45
KotCzarnybut it only takes one decision to make it poor06:46
KotCzarnyusually from the person from another dep06:46
KotCzarnythat never used the device06:46
johnxwhat's impressive is that the 770 was the single high point of tablet d-pads (from what I understand) and it's gotten worse every release06:47
KotCzarnytalk about looks over usability06:47
n800njohnx yeah, impressive06:48
TheFoolKotCzarny: I don't know about that I personally find the 800 a step down lookwise from the 77006:49
TheFoolwith the 810 being a step back up06:49
johnxn800n, now just imagine that the N810 is actually worse than the N800 in terms of d-pad06:49
n800ni just have a musician friend who uses hi ds for his stuff, keeps rubbing it in06:49
n800nhm i dunno06:50
TheFoolI have never gotten to use one so I wouldn't know, what makes it so bad?06:50
n800ni haven't used the n810 at all really06:50
n800ntimes like this i wish i had keyboard06:51
johnxdunno, but I hear N810 users saying the N800's was actually better06:51
n800ni really love it06:51
n800ni'm getting wikipedia on sdict06:51
n800ni'll be the smartest guy around06:52
johnxoh totally. I love it for the most part06:52
johnxthat's why the small things drive me crazy :)06:52
n800nalso building an art history db to have on it06:52
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n800nit's my geeky dream come through06:53
n800nit's nice to have a community06:53
johnxyeah, things are coming along nicely in terms of 3rd party software these days06:54
johnxthe influx of ex-zaurus users is definitely nice :)06:54
n800nit seems like a lot of people have been wanting something like this for awhile06:54
n800ndifferent interests06:54
johnxthe more the merrier06:55
n800npfffft. nintendo ds.06:55
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NullM0demi cant wait to get mine, been playing with the SDK for a while now06:55
n800ni wanna install the palm emu but my gf's favorite game is alchemy and she's gonna hog it.06:56
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johnxthat's ok, the palm emu only runs in a little section of the screen. I used it for all of 5 minutes before I gave up06:56
johnxNullM0dem, that's cool. what are you planning to use it for?06:57
NullM0dema few things, i have always wanted a small ebook reader.06:58
johnxyeah, I love mine for that.06:58
NullM0demnothing has been able to provide that06:58
smackpotatoreading books is great06:58
NullM0demmostly i want to develop, im buying a small embedded arm board and would like to play with home automation etc06:59
johnxyeah, the N800 is a nice chunk of hardware for a good price06:59
n800ni feel guilty when running only fbreader, i have to have at least canola in the backround. feels like playing solitaire on a supercomputer06:59
NullM0demfeels that responsive?07:00
n800ni meant it's a fast machine07:00
n800nhave seen enigma?07:01
NullM0demi was looking at the n810, but im still deciding07:01
n800ngreat graphics07:01
NullM0demi love that game, ive played for a few years now07:01
n800nit looks beautiful on this screen07:01
NullM0demI set my grandmother up with it using a mini-itx and her HDTV07:01
NullM0demkeeps her mind working07:01
n800nnice hehe07:01
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NullM0demIm staying with her for awhile to help her out, I plan on using the small arm board to monitor the house for her, as well as serve media.07:02
n800nis she immobilized in some way?07:03
NullM0demanyways I want the interface to run well on the nokia, I may add onto or modify misterhouse07:03
n800nare are just a little tyranical07:03
NullM0demno not at all, just starting to loose her memory, like forgetting what lights are on if the doors locked etc07:03
n800nvery cool of you, nice project07:04
NullM0demhave you seen misterhouse?07:04
NullM0demold project07:04
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NullM0demI want to make a frontend that will run under maemo07:05
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NullM0demheres the embedded board,
NullM0demthats part of it07:06
n800nit's from he future07:06
GeneralAntillesThere's a company that distributes the N800 as a $3000 home remote.07:06
GeneralAntillesI don't recall where their website is, though.07:06
NullM0demthier nuts07:07
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GeneralAntillesIt's for their proprietary home control system.07:07
NullM0demyep, i could do that too. but......07:07
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NullM0demMy system will eventually sync your cars media player to your house server07:07
NullM0demwhen you park07:07
NullM0demill make it all open too :-P07:08
GeneralAntillesThere's another company that distributes the 770 as a $3500 wifi security device. ;)07:08
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n800nno, YOUR house server.07:08
NullM0demalittle of both07:08
GeneralAntillesI'm waiting for the day when that sort of seamless syncing, control, etc is both easy to use and set up and stable.07:09
GeneralAntillesFor the time being it's just clunky and painful.07:09
NullM0demim working on it with off the shelf parts and some OSS07:09
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johnxit's possible to get it working nicely on a case-by-case basis07:09
johnxbut generalizing it has hard07:10
infobotjohnx meant: but generalizing it is hard07:10
NullM0demwas just typing that07:10
NullM0demwow a grammer bot07:10
GeneralAntillesI'm picturing a point where your car, your home, your mobile, etc are all running similar stuff.07:10
NullM0demARM based i would suspect07:11
GeneralAntillesCars, I believe, are a particularly long way from that point.07:11
GeneralAntillesWhich is unfortunate07:11
johnxfor closed source cars, maybe07:11
GeneralAntillesbecause a good carputer could do some pretty badass stuff.07:11
GeneralAntillesLike using the mobile to set the seat and mirror position, set the radio stations, climate control and driving preferences, etc. :D07:12
NullM0demsure could, most mainstream crap is overpriced and has very little funtionality07:12
johnxah, one of *those* cars :/07:12
GeneralAntillesWhat's the matter with those cars, johnx?07:12
NullM0demwith some damn good authentication mind you...07:12
johnxI'll move my own seat into position if it saves 40lbs07:12
johnxsame with climate control07:13
* johnx likes his cars as close to 1 ton as possible07:13
NullM0demwell if you have multiple people driving, the mobile will upload the profile before you get in....07:13
NullM0dembig faimlys etc07:13
johnxand with the *least amount of fancy $%# that's likely to break badly*07:13
GeneralAntillesA new Camry could manage all that pretty easily with a little hacking.07:14
NullM0demIm more in to ghetto engineering, mad scientist methods using junk :)07:14
johnxme too07:14
johnxI used to have a caddy loading computer cd-rom drive hooked up to computer speakers in my 82 honda accord(ian)07:15
NullM0demarm seems like a good platform to hack around with, i want o get my feet wet with some assembly etc07:15
johnxARM is a great platform, and now it's rather well supported in Linux07:15
johnxhave you looked at the Linux support for the ARM9 board you're looking at?07:16
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NullM0demyep, it ships with debian07:19
johnxvery cool07:19
johnxand the hardware support in the kernel is actually open source?07:19
NullM0demthe thing i dont like about it is that the FPGA is used for hardware funtions such as the SD card. so its not 100% free07:20
NullM0demmost of it is i believe, im still trying to filter out the marketting crap, you do need some of their modules to work with it07:20
NullM0demthere is a sound card module, and various other pc104 addons. im not certain on the full linux support07:21
johnxwell it will be mostly static once you put it in place, right?07:22
NullM0demI think they also charge for linux support, which only motivates me to hack it :)07:23
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NullM0demthis is a cool addon07:27
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RST38hReal mad scientists do not use PC104 boards!07:29
NullM0demheh, owned07:29
RST38hReal mad scientists use deadly laser beams and steam engines07:30
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NullM0demanyone know of a mini-usb to serial adapter?07:31
RST38hThere is plenty07:31
RST38hAll of them are basically built on the same chipset though07:31
NullM0demwould they work with the nokia n8*0 series?07:32
johnxhmm, I thought I heard someone trying that07:32
johnxhave you looked on ?07:32
RST38hSomebody made it work with ITT07:33
NullM0demnew link for me, im still datamining this stuff :)07:33
NullM0demah, i was here today07:33
NullM0demperfect! thanks07:34
NullM0demis this pretty much the authoritive site?07:34
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johnxthe maemo-developers mailing list has some good stuff sometimes07:35
johnxbut itt seem to be the main web-forums07:35
NullM0demim registering :)07:36
GeneralAntillesAlthough it's been trending more and more towards whiny whitenoise these days. :<07:39
johnxmeh, it's pretty good for a largeish web forum07:39
GeneralAntillesStupid Comcast07:40
GeneralAntillesIt's fun when the web crawls most of the time. . . .07:41
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johnxthe next couple years will be interesting in terms of Internet infrastructure07:41
johnxI'm looking forward to it :D07:41
NullM0demso i joined right after the waves of noobs swarmed in. oh great!!07:42
johnxnah, n00bs have been swarming in for a year now. It's not really all that much worse now than 6 months ago07:42
GeneralAntillesIt's a lot worse than 8 months ago, though. :P07:43
johnxfair enough07:43
johnxbut there's lots more cool 3rd party stuff too07:43
johnxignore the newbies, enjoy the software07:43
NullM0demgoogle has changed alot in the past 8 years, you could goto and find what you needed on the first 2 pages07:44
NullM0demnow its hell07:44
NullM0demtoo commercial and ubuntu related07:44
johnxgoogle tips for nokia tablets: add one or more of maemo, chinook, os2008 to your search07:45
GeneralAntillesmaemo will get you what you're after 90% of the time.07:45
NullM0demi have found more info using maemo than just n80007:45
johnxand the and -ubuntu tags help07:45
NullM0demthey do07:45
johnxah, web searches: just another new command line to learn07:46
johnxespecially on google07:46
NullM0demit changes alot07:46
NullM0demalot of the abscure linux hobby sites have dropped07:47
johnxhmm? google or the content?07:47
NullM0demcontent, or google indexing the content07:47
johnxit's just like using the find command on someone else's computer07:47
GeneralAntillesGoogle has been getting worse and worse.07:48
johnxseems fine from where I'm sitting07:48
GeneralAntillesI want to go back to when it was just a geek tool and everybody wasn't trying as hard as they possibly could to spam it.07:48
johnxbut maybe I've been compensating with better google-fu07:48
NullM0demheh, i should get better google fu07:48
NullM0demit was decent in the late 90's07:48
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johnxI didn't actually hear about it until the early 2000's so I was late to the party07:49
johnxin the late 90's I was probably still using hotbot07:49
NullM0demi could type linux on blah or netbsd on fu, and have dozens of usefull links without all the commercial crap07:49
NullM0demi used dogpile for awhile07:50
GeneralAntillesThey don't seem to care as much about spam anymore.07:50
johnxwell the whole net has changed. The only part that really makes me sad is the stuff that's not just annoying, but purely evil and makes people not trust each other07:50
GeneralAntilleshotbot, altavista, dogpile, yahoo07:50
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GeneralAntillesIt's funny all the defunct search engines.07:50
NullM0demi hear you johnx07:50
GeneralAntillesDomain parkers need to die in a horrible fire.07:51
NullM0demmy dad had his debit info ripped out of IE07:51
NullM0demAlot of OSS related sites just dissapeard over domain parking07:51
johnxdomain parkers, spammers: annoying / malware, ID theft: evil07:51
GeneralAntillesSpam websites that pretend to be useful so they show up in all sorts of google searches to generate clicks need to die.07:52
GeneralAntillesFucking Comcast07:52
johnxat least domain sampling got axed (IIRC)07:52
NullM0demwhere can you find these domain parkers, they seem to all use the same template and header images too07:52
GeneralAntillesI shut off bittorrent and the connection starts going again.07:52
GeneralAntillesNullM0dem, maybe they're all in the same place and we can just glass it.07:53
NullM0demim with you07:53
GeneralAntillesThe connection at my parents house makes Comcast feel like dialup. <_<07:53
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NullM0demwe can use a small army of n800's to create a mesh around the building07:54
NullM0demi used comcast last year and moved, it was horrible07:54
johnxand slowly cook them with wifi?07:55
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GeneralAntillesI'm still going with fire07:55
GeneralAntillesnuclear fire07:55
NullM0demthat girl with the backpack on some of those is kind of cute07:55
GeneralAntillesGet a bunch of WRT54Gs to "overclock" to 300mW? ;)07:55
johnxI still wonder if there is a good technical solution to the problem07:55
RST38hOur network provider actually ENCOURAGES p2p07:56
johnxmaybe regulations on one person/company owning more than x domain names?07:56
RST38hHundreds of people with "stuff" they share with other network users is its selling point07:56
GeneralAntillesWe need a "usefulness" metric.07:56
johnxtoo subjective07:56
NullM0demi lost a few domains last year, no more than 8 hours and it was gone07:56
GeneralAntillesIf a website isn't useful, then the domain lease is revoked.07:56
GeneralAntillesThen we can revoke microsoft.com07:56
NullM0demand novel07:57
RST38hthat should cause revokation07:57
johnxthe trick is to phrase things in such a way that Microsoft/IBM/Novell are backing the idea07:57
johnxthat's how you get results07:57
johnxnow that Microsoft has come out against software patents we might see some progress for example07:57
johnxit's all about enlightened self interest07:58
RST38h"Revoke domains that are not using IIS"?07:58
RST38hor, WebSphere!07:58
GeneralAntillesGotta take the money out of domain parking.07:58
RST38hraise registration fees tenfold07:59
johnxright, then I would definitely drop my domain07:59
NullM0demrevoke non IIS domaons are you nuts?07:59
RST38hI am. So?07:59
NullM0demi dont think many tun on IIS these days07:59
johnxhow about $10 to own one domain or $40 to own two, $160 to own three, etc08:00
* KotCzarny calls squirrel squad to take care of nutts08:00
GeneralAntillesThey'd just have different entities register each domain.08:00
RST38hshould have an awful lot of entities08:01
johnxright, but the idea is to make it prohibitively expensive to own too many08:01
GeneralAntilleslegislating it is the wrong approach, anyway.08:01
KotCzarnydomains should be banned08:01
johnxeventually you start hitting a lot of beurocratic (sp KotCzarny?) overhead08:01
KotCzarnygo ips!08:01
KotCzarnyespecially go ipv6 ips!08:02
ralanni own 6 domains that i actively use08:02
KotCzarnyi 'own' one08:03
johnxright but the only way domain parking makes sense is by owning hundreds08:03
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johnxmeh, maybe some alternative opensource DNS structure will actually take off eventually (I know they exist, but they definitely haven't reached critical mass)08:04
ralanni actually have one that i don't appear to use but i use it for an email hole08:04
ds3nah... google needs to clean up their database or just die08:06
NullM0demwho the hell is this guy, ive been nullmodem since 98
GeneralAntillesJeff S. Morris08:07
RST38hNM: Investor, Entrepreneur, Technology Consultant08:07
GeneralAntillesInvest, Entreperneur, Technology Consultant . . . duh08:08
RST38hProbably fixes PCs too08:08
johnxwow, he actually put that he has an A+08:08
NullM0demyep, he's admins domain controller's08:08
johnxI'd be kind of embarassed of that08:08
NullM0demfor active directory08:08
NullM0demyeah, this is an example of bad use08:08
KotCzarnyshouldn't senior live they days in senior houses?08:09
KotCzarnyand don't mess with THE internet?08:09
NullM0demit means he still makes pages that look like they are hosted on geocities08:09
johnxah geocities08:09
johnxand the blink and marquee tags08:10
* johnx feels no nostalgia08:10
RST38hNORTH QUINCY, MASS: Wednesday, April 5, 2000: Jeff Morris, President of the Xensei Corporation, announced today that they have reached a service level milestone that will allow them to begin rolling out high-availability web hosting, an emerging service level that has now become business-critical for eCommerce.08:11
RST38hweb hosting...08:11
johnxhigh-availability as opposed to low-availability?08:12
johnxdo I smell a niche market?08:12
RST38hThe Renaissance Geek: From wiring servers to cutting wood, Morris is the MAN08:12
johnx"Come, get your low-availability web hosting! Lower availability drives demand from users!"08:12
TheFoolI love his recommendations page lol08:12
NullM0demi was going to buy but a typo would humiliate me08:13
WormFood1/2 of the domains I own have "fuck" in their names ;)08:14
RST38hDo you own 2 domains?08:14
WormFoodI own 408:14
WormFoodI have and jesusfuckinchrist.com08:15
RST38hOh, the horror08:15
RST38hHow did they allow you to get these?08:15
WormFoodI just register them like any other domain08:16
NullM0demnice must be worth something08:16
WormFoodNullM0dem, no "g"08:16
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WormFoodas in "Jesus fuckin' christ!"08:16
NullM0demstill though, my friend's nickname is red, back in the mid 90's he joked about buying it sold a few years back for 25 million08:17
RST38hfuck-in-christ also sounds good08:17
NullM0demit was free too when he looked into it08:17
johnxyeah, but no one saw this coming08:17
KotCzarnythere is one with g too08:17
WormFoodI'm not doing anything interesting with my sites08:18
TheFoolI wish registering subdomains was easier and cheaper/free. would be nice but I would take without any qualms08:18
johnxI remember seeing a kellogg's cereal truck with printed on the side in the late 90's and thinking how ridiculous it was for a cereal company to even bother having a website08:18
WormFoodI used to have "" at one time ;)08:18
johnxTheFool, well just talk to someone who owns the domain then...08:19
NullM0demsounds like a snort sensor :)08:19
WormFoodmy ISP was "" (praxis information group)....and they let me host a server I quickly thought of "oink" as my host name08:19
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WormFoodnow it is, but not back when I had that name in the late 90s08:21
TheFooljohnx: Thats what I mean though, I wish there were more domains that would just give away subdomains or sell them super cheap. I don't want to have to contact some guy about it.08:21
WormFoodwow...that was about 10 years ago08:21
KotCzarnyi think google should detect and refuse to index parked sites08:21
RST38hThere are some domains like this08:21
NullM0demI hate the OSS project parking08:21
RST38hdyndns comes to minf ;)08:21
NullM0demphlack got parked, numerous others08:21
TheFoolKotCzarny: google makes money off of those parked sites...08:22
KotCzarnygoogle is evil then?08:22
NullM0demthey do, sad enough08:22
NullM0demits a grey area08:22
TheFoolRST38h: I actually have a dyndns domain, I just wish there were more like that08:22
johnxTheFool, interested in ?08:23
NullM0demI used to work for tzo which does dyndns as well08:23
KotCzarnytoo long08:23
NullM0demill take it08:23
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KotCzarnylooks free08:23
KotCzarnySheep Shagger08:23
KotCzarnyQuality You Trust, Prices You Love. Deals On Sheep Shagger.08:23
johnxwell, I already have sheeplauncher.net08:24
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KotCzarnyEnjoy Savings & Selection On Sheep Shagger.08:24
KotCzarnyA Sheep Shagger08:24
KotCzarnyPopular Brand Stores on CatalogLink. Request Free Catalogs Online.08:24
johnxstop spamming KotCzarny :P08:24
KotCzarnyi just love those auto generated ads08:24
NullM0demanyone use scroogle scrapper?08:24
KotCzarnybtw. it's a spam from opendns.com08:25
KotCzarnybut i prefer it over verizon spam08:25
johnxI'd rather just run my own DNS08:25
TheFoolI used it for a bit, and sadly I preffered comcasts dns08:25
johnxit's not that hard08:25
NullM0demno adds same hits08:26
KotCzarnyjohnx: i know, but can tlds be contacted by anyone?08:26
KotCzarnyto resolve a name you have to contact dns server, usually isp's or tld08:27
KotCzarnys/tld/top level name server08:27
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johnxright, so on my network it goes: n800 queries my router's DNS, which queries the root servers and caches the answer08:27
KotCzarnyor root ns08:27
johnxnot that simple of course, the root points to the authoritative server for the domain, etc, etc08:28
KotCzarnyjohnx: so i can put root ns into my local caching ns ?08:28
johnxI don't see why not08:29
johnxwhat server are you running?08:29
g0ldfinGaheres a question, I have a n800 running os2008, when I click on the icon at the top to connect to a wifi hotspot it shows none, but if I run airodump-ng wlan0 it shows about 5 I can connect to if they would show up in the list, why arent they showing up in it?08:29
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KotCzarnyjohnx: which root ns you recommend?08:31
johnxWhen I ran bind I just let it choose. I believe it knows about all of them08:31
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johnxI don't know how you'd setup pdnsd (am reading about it right now)08:32
KotCzarnyi know how to setup it08:32
KotCzarnyi only ask about which one is the best08:32
KotCzarnyfrom paranoid's view08:32
johnxthey should always be the same08:33
johnxyou could look up their uptime history08:33
KotCzarnysure.. like i would trust verisign or .mil08:33
KotCzarnyh is
johnxYour paranoia is not my problem :P08:33
KotCzarnyg too08:33
KotCzarnyi will take f (
NullM0demthat one osunds old08:34
KotCzarnyand i (
KotCzarnyk l m are good too (i think)08:35
KotCzarnylet's ping08:35
johnxanyways all a root server does is tell you who has authority for the tld you queried them about08:36
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johnxso says go ask verisign about .com08:36
johnxetc, etc08:36
KotCzarnyi know, but i wasn't sure if it accepts any request (ie. not from isps)08:37
johnxit does, but you will *almost never* connect to it after the first request you send to it for *.com, *.net *.org *.cc08:37
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johnxmake sure you set root_server=on in your config file, BTW :)08:38
KotCzarnyi know, i know08:38
johnx:) just making sure08:38
KotCzarnyand as for never connecting it depends on ttl08:38
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johnxthe ttl of .com...heh08:39
KotCzarnycogent seems fast08:39
KotCzarnyCogent believes it has grown to become the second largest carrier of Internet traffic in the world with over 15% of the world's Internet traffic crossing its network.08:40
johnxmaybe I should run pdnsd on my wrt if it's small enough...08:40
KotCzarnyjohnx, it is08:40
KotCzarnybut you will have to tune it's cache size08:40
johnxyeah, might not be worth it08:40
KotCzarnybecause wrt is a little limited in this area08:40
KotCzarnynot true08:40
KotCzarnyeven 512kb of cache will benefit you08:40
johnxalmost all my RAM is soaked up already and I'm already using dnsmasq08:41
johnxif pdnsd is any bigger it will cut into the cache dnsmasq has more than it will help08:41
KotCzarny~652kb on my laptop08:42
KotCzarnyon arm/mips it should be 1/208:42
johnxRSS? or executable size?08:42
johnxbut that's it's cache too :P08:42
KotCzarny-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 246156 2006-08-18 17:55 /usr/local/sbin/pdnsd*08:42
KotCzarnythat's on x8608:42
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KotCzarnystatically compiled08:43
johnxdnsmasq is half that size here on MIPS08:43
johnxI'm gonna go with "not bother" for now :)08:43
KotCzarnyas i said, if you compile it using uclibc libs08:44
KotCzarnyit will be much smaller08:44
johnxI have other, better projects to bang my head against a wall over :)08:44
johnxI'll keep it in mind for the next OS upgrade I do on my WRT though08:44
KotCzarnyyou can test it without upgrading/flashing08:45
johnxI know but I don't feel like breaking things I don't need to on my router08:45
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Khertan_on_n810it s seems there is a margin in a hildon.Windows that doesn t exist in a gtk.Window ... do u know what property is it ?08:48
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KotCzarnyg3 powerbook for a 600$08:54
KotCzarnysome people are living in their minds08:54
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johnxold apple stuff retains a lot of value08:55
qwerty12I've still got a old mac os hackintosh which I need to try out.08:55
johnxnot *that much* though :)08:55
KotCzarnylike 400mhz cpu with 6gb hdd?08:55
g0ldfinGaI sold my g3 600mhz for $40008:56
KotCzarnyqwerty12: install slackingtosh on it :)08:56
johnxthe 6GB part is a bit of a stretch08:56
johnxanyways, people who buy old apples buy them for the "just works" part, not the specs/features08:56
qwerty12KotCzarny, Nice :)08:56
KotCzarnyfor just works i prefer 50$ p3 :)08:57
johnxyeah, but you're obviously not the target demographic08:57
KotCzarnyyeah. i'm different.08:57
KotCzarny(not like that apple crowd)08:57
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KotCzarnym.python comes to mind08:57
g0ldfinGaapples ftw08:57
g0ldfinGaI miss my macbook08:58
johnxKotCzarny, you're on IRC talking about embedded linux, I think that you don't count as the average computer user08:58
Khertan_on_n810KotCzarny > it s the price i ve sell mine two months ago08:58
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KotCzarnyyeah, i'm too tall for average08:58
Khertan_on_n810a G3 600 ibook08:58
johnxyeah, I had a macbook at my last job. I liked it for work, but I think I'll get a thinkpad that runs Linux well when I can afforda new laptop08:58
KotCzarnykhertan: powerbook. not ibook08:58
g0ldfinGamacbook ran linux fine08:59
g0ldfinGaand windows08:59
g0ldfinGaand osx08:59
Khertan_on_n810not very well on linix08:59
johnxtwo things: pointing nub and two or three mouse buttons08:59
Khertan_on_n810it s a real pain to make wifi working08:59
g0ldfinGaalways worked right away for me09:00
johnxtwo mouse buttons are a requirement for any Linux laptop/desktop I buy09:00
Khertan_on_n810what distribution do u use ?09:00
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Khertan_on_n810i ve try it too09:01
g0ldfinGanew mac mighty mouse have one button but can right and left click09:01
Khertan_on_n810but was unable to make wifi working09:01
johnxubuntu worked ok on the core duo macbook I had for work, but I didn't feel like messing around with it09:01
KotCzarnyso they finally gave up on 'one button per mouse' ?09:02
johnxa while ago KotCzarny. you missed it :P09:02
g0ldfinGai has one button09:02
Khertan_on_n810yes they gave up for four year at least09:02
g0ldfinGabut if you click on the left side it left clicks and right will right click09:02
johnxbut the lack of two mouse buttons on the macbook makes it a deal breaker for me for linux purposes09:02
* KotCzarny had very little exposure to apple products09:02
g0ldfinGaive had a ibook/emac/imac/macbook09:03
* KotCzarny had mostly thinkpads09:03
g0ldfinGathen a few sony vaios09:03
qwerty12I've never used an Apple product in my life except once for school, where I had to make a crap animated v.short film.09:03
Khertan_on_n810i ve develloped many things on mac in the past09:04
g0ldfinGathe sound programs they make for the macs are amazing09:04
KotCzarnyopenssh 5.009:04
johnxyeah, bugfix release09:04
KotCzarnyanything serious?09:05
johnxa security thing with x forwarding IIRC09:05
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KotCzarnyi don't use x forwarding09:05
KotCzarny(i use regular port forwarding though)09:05
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ralannwow, so profound10:42
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* doc|home amazed10:42
* doc|home demands more!10:43
qwerty111I just shat my pants over that.10:43
doc|homewait, no, sleep, that's what I demand10:43
* doc|home zZzZz10:43
KotCzarnyi didn't liked it..10:43
KotCzarnybut i'm different10:43
KotCzarnyas always10:43
* CptLaptop bored10:44
CptLaptopive spent the last 1,5 horus making a sketch of my teacher in PS10:45
qwerty111Hehe my N800 doesn't like xmodmap or xvkbd :/10:46
CptLaptopno as rambo10:46
KotCzarnyqwerty: if you have ran xkbd before it may leave x in b0rken state10:47
CptLaptoppeople stare at me when i read the local paper on my n800 as pdf...i hate technonoobs10:47
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KotCzarnyin that case disable xtest extension in xvkbd until reboot10:47
qwerty111KotCzarny, Nope. dsme cannot read fd or something. It reboots my N800 :/10:47
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KotCzarnyhow do you know it's kbd related?10:48
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qwerty111xmodmap does it as well, I'm not saying it's your program, I've used it before in a previous flash :), but I think they (xvkbd and xmodmap) share something that is making my dsme crash in this flash :)10:49
qwerty111I get no messages from xmodmap or xvkbd. The only info I got was the dsme info which fits because my N800 reboots.10:49
KotCzarnyi can't think of anything related10:50
qwerty111Same here :). Ah well, that's life :p.10:50
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Navihildon-desktop randomly crashed again :/10:52
qwerty111Some big thread on ITT about this. People in the end attributed it to modest and statusbar clock with alarms on and alarmd messing up.10:52
NaviAh, that's probably it.10:52
NaviIt started when I installed statusbar clock10:53
KotCzarnystatusbar clock works for me10:53
qwerty111Do you have alarms enabled?10:53
KotCzarnyno random crashes10:53
NaviNo :/10:53
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qwerty111That's odd. It's alarms that crash it. I'm using statusbar clock fine with no alarms enabled.10:53
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qwerty111KotCzarny, I think I know why dsme is messing up. I'm using powerlaunch now. I'm gonna reboot into run level 5 soon which uses systemui and mce and see if it crashes there.10:54
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CVirusDoes the N810 wifi chipset support monitor and promiscuous modes ?10:54
* Navi needs to set up powerlaunch10:55
KotCzarnyi think i also use powerlaunch10:56
KotCzarnyit's that contacts icon replacement?10:56
qwerty111The mpd config could do with some improvements. I made a few tweaks here and there to that file.10:56
qwerty111KotCzarny, no10:56
qwerty111mce and systemui replacement10:56
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KotCzarnyah, that's personal menu10:57
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qwerty111fiferboy made some brilliant changes in his latest version10:57
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qwerty111God, I love it when teaching unions strike.10:59
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qwerty111Has anyone compiled xmms2? I'm looking for xmms replacements. I've got beep to compile but bad sound output. Audatious segfaults on me.11:02
KotCzarnyyes, i have saw somebody reporting it11:02
qwerty111Thanks :)11:02
johnxsolmumaha compiled it, thank him :)11:03
qwerty111solmumaha, thanks11:03
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omniscientxHi, I have a N770.  How can I tell whether I'm running OS2006 or OS2007HE on it?11:04
KotCzarnyrun: uname -a11:04
qwerty111I pray. Or go to about in control panel.11:04
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kulveomniscientx: cat /etc/osso_software_version11:06
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NaviHow do you run powerlaunch?11:15
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RST38hNavi: it is configurable from Panels config dialog11:16
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RST38hOh, wait, wrong program11:16
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qwerty111Navi, Pressing the power button?11:16
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CVirusHow can I hook a GSM phone with the N810 using bluetooth ?11:32
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nomisI have troubles with the scratchbox stuff - after start some vital plugins are missing - e.g. the control panel plugin to configure the items in the status bar.11:36
nomisIs there a known problem regarding this?11:36
johnxI think they're just included11:36
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nomisI am trying to build the status-bar example at
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nomisjohnx: do I have to unpack them manually from somewhere? I am a bit at a loss.11:37
nomis(the example does not show up in the status bar and I have no clue what is going wrong)11:37
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johnxI'm afraid I don't know, but I remember the scratchbox image missing a lot of stuff11:38
cLinbesides motion, is there any other motion capturing programs that uses the n800 webcam11:38
CVirusCan I run OpenMoko on the N810 ?11:38
johnxnot easily, but if you felt like compiling and troubleshooting it might be possible11:40
solmumahaqwerty111: gxmms2 isn't very pretty and you should renice xmms2d a bit for smooth playback11:40
johnxand CVirus did you look in the control panel for the phone pairing wizard?11:40
qwerty111solmumaha, thanks for that. I will try that out.11:40
CVirusjohnx: I don't own an N810 yet11:41
johnxah, ok, the first time you turn it on it will ask you to pair your phone11:41
johnxif you choose not to you can do it later through control panel11:41
qwerty111If you pair a phone after that too via bluetooth applet, it asks if you want to set up this phone.11:41
qwerty111Check out the internet tablet school, krisse wrote a great tutorial on it.11:42
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cLinor has anyone use motion on os2008?11:47
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nomisfor some reason "apt-get update" inside scratchbox does not work. Duh.12:08
qwerty111Works for me.12:09
omnix-is working for anyone?12:11
omnix-when i refresh the application catalog, it gets stuck on Downloading 5KB12:12
johnx...taking a while here12:12
johnxit took a really long time before it sent me data but it worked12:13
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nomisor is just dead ATM?12:15
johnxyes, probably that12:16
johnxor very close to dead12:16
X-Fade_nomis: It is very slow, we're already investigating it..12:16
nomisok then.12:16
johnxif you need any diagnostics run from here, just ask :)12:16
nomisI am just trying to reinstall my scratchbox from scratch, since I yesterday did not clean out the old installation.12:17
* nomis needs to make the statusbar-clock work again...12:17
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X-Fade_repository should be better now?12:20
qwerty111still a slight bit slow though.12:20
X-Fade_Yeah, probably the caching network starting up..12:21
nomisyeah, I seem to get stuff now.12:24
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KhertanHi ... again ...12:26
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johnxanyone here know about the inner workings of sapwood?12:38
johnxspecifically whether there might be any pitfalls into getting the chinook version running on an armv5te?12:39
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nomismhm. should stop have any visible effect? For some reason the desktop seems to continue running.12:58
omnix-anyone here have a Palm Centro + Nokia 770?12:58
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johnxnomis, it might just not be getting repainted12:59
nomismenus et all are working.12:59
johnxah, well maybe it doesn't do anything then :)12:59
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nomisI really wonder whats wrong with the plugin system. Feels totally b0rk to me.13:00
omnix-I'm so stoked to have skype on 77013:00
johnxnomis, there is a lot of stuff that they just don't ship with the SDK13:00
johnxI have no idea why13:00
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nomisjohnx: how do I get it then? I have installed the proprietary stuff.13:01
johnxYou could try to extract it from an actualy device firmware13:01
nomisoh you're referring to more proprietary stuff.13:02
omnix-does youtube work on 770/OS2007HE?13:02
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nomisI have the impression that I miss stuff that actually makes stuff work.13:02
Veggendon't think youtube work well anywhere.13:04
Veggenthere is a youtube-downloader you can use to download the youtube locally, and then play it with mplayer.13:04
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omnix-does rdesktop have a virtual keyboard?13:11
KotCzarnyif you use xvkbd or xkbd.. :)13:11
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omnix-i ended up using window's built in on screen keyboard13:15
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KotCzarnythat will work too13:15
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nomisI get tons of "hildon-desktop[5951]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Plugin desktop file not found, ignoring plugin"13:18
nomisI wonder where it is looking for these.13:18
omnix-does OS2007HE support ajax?13:20
johnxin the opera web browser? yes, I believe so to a certain extent13:21
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lcukKotCzarny, are you around still13:38
anders_gudjohnx: Trying out your nice debian distro... Can't get the n810 hw keyboard to work, any hints?13:39
johnxdid you already see the file to copy on the wiki?13:40
johnxit's in the status section I think13:40
* johnx checks back13:40
johnxand after that you might have to restart the x server and hildon-desktop13:41
anders_gudok! I'll try, thanks!13:41
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johnxunfortunately I don't have an N810 to test with, but with a bit of poking my usb keyboard works on my n80013:43
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zuhjohnx: btw, you might be interested in for the N8x0-debian. It makes the battery show up in HAL so for example gnome-power-manager can show the battery status (even if it is pretty raw data currently, I haven't really made any processing for it yet)14:39
robtaylorzuh: very cool!!14:40
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zuhIt's not, the values need to be polled :/14:40
robtaylorzuh: you should poke guillem to get this included as standard.14:41
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johnxwoo! thanks for the heads up14:41
zuhrobtaylor: included where?-)14:41
robtaylorzuh: ah, hmm, i guess there's not really a way around that :/14:42
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robtaylorzuh: next OSSO release14:42
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robtaylorzuh: just have a suitably long poll period, like 20 seconds14:44
zuhThere would be, is someone (presumably bme or something) didn't reserve the user-side IRQ notifications... It doesn't matter a lot for the actual level (who cares if it updates only once per minute?).14:44
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zuhBut for the charger connection indication it would be nice14:45
robtaylorzuh: yeah, that's true. There is the option of talking to bme. i believe its exposed on the system bus14:45
johnxeither way, this is hot sauce! I knew I was right not to bother going poking around in the power/battery management code14:46
zuhI'm reading values once per minute, and averaging 10 samples taken over two seconds14:46
robtaylorzuh: yeah, i just took a proper look. That doesn't sound too bad at all.14:46
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zuh(10 samples over one second it seems, duh)14:48
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zuhrobtaylor: And, if I could just talk to the bme, I wouldn't bother poking the cryptic values from some ADC registers :)14:52
johnxyeah, sometimes I really want to smack Nokia over some of this stuff :|14:53
zuhIt _would_ be nice to know what the figures that it outputs actually mean, but fortunately for basic operation you just need to know approximate max and min values and current level14:57
zuhAnd since the data is not going to be too accurate anyway, a simple approach of "healthy", "low" and "go get the cable" -levels of battery state works for me14:58
zuhbetter than bubkus at least14:59
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robtaylorzuh: have you tried sniffing the system bus?15:04
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somanhii... im playing iradio using gnomevfssrc on N810... i want to retrieve the iradio-title property of the current playing track,,,, can anyone help me ....15:09
somanany pointers....15:09
robtaylorsoman: might be better asking on #gstreamer15:10
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zuhrobtaylor: the point is that the thing forwarding stuff from bme to dbus isn't open, and there's no real point in using this on maemo since it already has battery management15:15
zuhThe addon is intended for custom rootfs stuff. I don't know if one could tap in with the bme<->bme-dbus-proxy communication, but whatever it may be, I doubt it makes any more sense than the readings from retu without documentation15:19
zuhI don't even know how the two pieces communicate...15:19
zuhI'm not really interested either, I'll take undocumented open driver over undocumented proprietary software any day :P15:20
johnxI still have to log retu values on debian and see if it charges the same as under ITOS15:21
johnxRunning KotCzarny's kcbatt it seems like it wasn't charging that fast (and sometimes was actually losing charge under heavy load), but I haven't done any scientific studies yet...15:22
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jottjohnx: but bme from initfs was running i suppose?!15:24
johnxit was mostly charging, I might have just caught it during a switch to heavy load15:25
jotthmm yeah i can't imagine the bme-dbus-proxy does something special but talking to the bme socket and translating this to dbus15:26
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jottand it would be really sick if the battery statusbar did something to change charging behaviour15:27
johnxI'm not that paranoid15:27
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Khertanouch ... look at this : WILLCOM D4 (WS016SH SHARP)16:38
Khertanit s the size of an n8xx with the power of an umpc !16:38
fysawow.  if you disable auto-update and fix the cache, Minefield starts up as fast as Microb.16:39
Khertanhum ... microb isn't really fast to start16:40
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johnxKhertan, pricey, lots bigger, and will almost certainly have poor battery life16:43
inzjohnx, and ugly16:43
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NaviD4s are so expensive16:47
jottand huge:
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NaviSize is okay16:48
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jottno way will this fit in my pocket16:49
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NaviYeah, it won't16:49
Navibut if I get it, I wouldn't get it to replace my N80016:49
jottso i can take a eee or hp mini in the first place16:50
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jottand save loads of bucks :)16:50
NaviHP minis are expensive for what you get16:50
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jottits ok if you take the cheap linux models16:51
jottesp. compared to umpc prices16:52
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NaviI'm spoiled16:53
NaviI'll probably never be able to push myself to buy a full laptop16:54
* johnx hugs his collection of arm-linux devices16:54
NaviToo much bulk and power to do simple tasks16:54
johnxthe eee pricerange of mini-laptops are great for your average linux user16:55
RST38hToshiba R50016:55
RST38h1kg, 0.76", runs XP or Vista16:56
johnxbut that's a totally different class of machine16:56
RST38hSomething like $1800 I guess16:56
johnx$1700+ says google16:56
johnxand a 12" screen16:56
RST38hIf you want a laptop, buy yourself a laptop16:57
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RST38hWhy buy cheaper replacements like EEE?16:57
johnxand if all you need is a $500 "internet terminal" why spend $170016:57
mgedminotoh if you want a cheap mini-laptop, buy yourself a cheap mini-laptop16:57
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johnxlike I said, a whole different class of machine16:57
RST38hIt will still be a laptop though16:57
RST38hI.e. too big to carry in your pocket, have to open it to work, etc16:58
Navijohnx, u haxxored ur eee?16:58
RST38hSo, why not just pay the full price and buy the real thing, especially considering that it is about the same size?16:58
johnxstill a laptop yeah, just like a honda civic and a ferrari are both cars...16:58
johnxNavi, no eee here :)16:59
NaviOh, really?16:59
RST38hEEE vs Toshiba is more like Yugo vs Honda Civic16:59
NaviI saw engadget mention a "johnx" :/16:59
johnxRST38h, let's see "Why not spend $1200 you don't have to?"16:59
johnxNavi, probably a different johnx.16:59
RST38hjohnx: Bigger screen for example16:59
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NaviSomeone steallz0rz ur name16:59
fysaI set my Minefield home to Google Reader and just use it for that..  it runs much more responsively.16:59
NaviRST38h, and if the bigger screen is undesirable?17:00
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johnxRST38h, right which is fine if a bigger screen and faster CPU is worth $120017:00
johnxto you17:00
RST38hNavi: I can't think of a situation where bigger screen is undesirable (with the same external size)17:00
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NaviIf it costs 1200 extra, yeah.17:00
fysaMSI Wind17:00
johnxit's all a question of priorities. Would I rather have an 8" screen and $1200 or a 12" screen17:01
johnx$1200 buys a lot of beer...17:01
jottwell i think in dpi not in inch ..17:01
NaviIt buys a lot of internets17:01
elbor an M1417:01
fysaHP Mini-style keyboard without the VIA17:01
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fysa8.9" 1024x600 instead of 1280x768 though.17:02
johnxNavi, good point actually. $1200 would go a long way towards unlimited 3G data for a year or two at least...17:02
elbthe real point is, all these mini everythings get craptastic battery life, because x86 is a craptastic platform17:02
elbmaybe they'll be interesting in a few years :-P17:02
NaviMy parent's laptop's battery is almost dead17:03
fysaMSI Wind is Atom..17:03
Naviit can run 10 minutes on a full charge \o/17:03
Navianyways, I'm out17:03
johnxthe 9cell in my old toshiba P4 beater laptop is almost toast as well17:03
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jotthm this msi thingy seems to have microsoft taxes17:04
johnxhyperthreading is all well and good, except when it actually makes things slower...17:05
fysaMSI or not, June is when the Atom-based chipsets start rolling out..17:05
jottstill an modern arm based notebook would be nice17:05
fysaand will get you the biggest performance/battery boosts17:05
elbwe'll see17:05
* elb bets it'll be more craptastic x86 battery "boost"17:06
elb"woo woo 4 whole hours!"17:06
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fysa4 hours would be spectacular compared to the 2 you can expect now.17:06
elband still worthless17:07
fysawhy worthless?17:07
fysait's not like you need to keep it awake all the time in your pocket.17:07
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elbyes, but any time you wake it up you're thinking "oh hmmm do I really want to do this ... when is my next charge?"17:08
elbx86 is simply an inappropriate platform for mobile devices, at least with state of the art technology17:08
elbI'd love to see the G3-era PowerPC resurrected on modern fabrication for laptops17:08
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elbor the return of ARM laptops17:09
fysayes, and it's only a matter of time before it is appropriate.  regardless of the level of appropriateness, Atom is the first valid play by Intel into this space.17:09
RST38hAtom-based stuff will be bigger, more expensive, and more power hungry than ARM17:10
fysawithout a doubt17:10
RST38hAnd the only advantage you get is the ability to run Microsoft Office17:10
fysayou get Ubuntu Mobile17:10
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elbI was all pumped up when Intel  bought ARM that they might start pushing it for mobile devices17:10
RST38hSo, I do not see what everybody is so excited about17:10
fysaand the ability to run everything without hacking assembler.17:11
RST38hWhat does Ubuntu Mobile do that Maemo does not?17:11
johnxit's not like you can't just compile ubuntu mobile for arm17:11
johnxit's 90%+ Debian17:11
RST38hWhat does it open?17:11
johnxhis point is that it is open17:11
fysahonestly, I only care about being able to access the standard Ubuntu repos.17:12
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RST38hI asked what it does, not what it is17:12
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fysait gives us back control, what the hell else does it do?17:12
johnxI care a lot more about the open-ness of the hardware anyways17:12
fysathis isn't a religious war.17:12
RST38hIs that all it does?17:12
fysaAtom is catching up to where ARM is now.  ARM is going to advance themselves.17:13
johnxRST38h, yeah, all open source *anywhere* does is give the user control17:13
elbit offers approximately 6.02*10^23 times more immediately installable packages17:13
RST38hWell, as a user I don't care about control17:13
RST38hI have enough control with Maemo17:13
fysait's just about the packages and ease of grabbing/compiling anything x8617:13
fysajesus christ17:13
fysaI'm glad someone is happy with that.17:13
RST38hOk, let us say I compile GIMP for Ubuntu Mobile17:14
RST38hHow useful is it going to be on a 6" screen?17:14
fysa'just for Microsoft apps'17:14
elbdepends on what you need it for17:14
fysauseful enough17:14
fysauseful as it would be on any ARM machine of that same size17:14
elbonly not for as long ;-)17:14
elb"it's opening ... hmmm crap battery died"17:15
RST38hYes, but why would I want stuff like this on a 6" screen?17:15
Khertanit s a 5"Screen17:15
fysaobviously you wouldn;t17:15
fysaso I don't even know why you ask.17:15
RST38h[aside from it being "open" - I don't care whether it is open or closed]17:15
elbI'd love to have urxvt on my 6" screen17:15
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fysaI use my N800 to upload from digital camera to flickr.17:15
RST38hfysa: But I hope you see my point now?17:15
fysano, you have NO point.  your point is purely based on personal preferene.17:16
fysamy point is based on the obvious advance of technology.17:16
RST38hOk, I guess I will have ot spell it out17:16
fysax86 is a virus.17:16
fysaI don't care what you think about openness.17:16
fysaOr whether GIMP is useful.17:16
fysaPropellerheads Reason.17:16
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RST38hMy point is that if you are not an "open source advocate" and not a Linux hacker, then it makes no difference whether you have got Maemo or Ubuntu Mobile17:16
fysaI would love to be able to run this in my pocket and connect it to a USB keyboard.17:16
Atariihas anyone got kismet working on 2008os?17:17
fysait makes EVEN MORE DIFFERENCE!17:17
fysathink of how many more emulators and games we would have with x86.17:17
fysamore quickly.17:17
RST38hNot really17:17
fysaeverything matters.17:17
fysawe would have webkit already.17:17
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elband think of how fast that battery could die under gaming load ;-)17:17
fysawe would have a usable firefox already.17:17
fysayes, it will all die sooner.17:17
RST38hAnd we do not have a usable firefox at the oment?17:17
elbplatform isn't holding back firefox17:17
elbhildon might be17:17
RST38hMicroB is quite usable17:18
elbRST38h: and it's not firefox17:18
fysabut it will have more chance of being a 'portable' desktop.17:18
RST38hAnd there is upcoming Fennec17:18
janidoes ubuntu mobile run on N8X0 ?17:18
elbwho is a liar?17:18
fysawith portable x86, I can plug it into my monitor and a keyboard.17:18
elbare you suggesting that firefox doesn't compile and run on ARM?17:18
fysa<RST38h> MicroB is quite usable17:18
Veggenmicrob uses a whopping amount of 200MB+ virtual ram at times, for me.17:18
fysaI am using Minefield now, elb.17:18
Veggen...which is a wee bit too much.17:18
RST38helb: well, it uses the same engine, can run some of the extensions, so for all practical purposes it is firefox :)17:18
fysaBecause it loads faster and uses comparative memory to MicroB.17:18
elbare you suggesting that ARM isn't capable of running USB devices or external displays?17:18
fysawith the standard bullshit interface.17:18
RST38hfysa: And you can't plug ARM into your monitor and keyboard?17:19
fysaof course not, but coincidentally, x86 can run the exact same OS that I would otherwise use on the desktop.17:19
elbdon't confuse "the nokia internet tablets" with "the arm architecture", nor "some umpc" with "the x86 architecture"17:19
elbRST38h: actually, for *my* practical purposes, it doesn't run an extension I need and use17:19
RST38hfysa: So, you want Atom to run Windows?17:19
elbRST38h: (PwdHash)17:19
fysathere's no reason I couldn't run regular Ubuntu on the x86 and plug it into my desktop with the same $HOME as Ubuntu Mobile in mobile mode.17:19
fysasorry, plug it into my monitor as a desktop replacement.17:20
RST38helb: Well, it is a truncated version indeed17:20
fysaI dare you to use an N800 or N810 as a desktop replacement.17:20
fysaI have tried it.17:20
elbthey're not meant to be17:20
elband that's not an arm vs x86 problem17:20
RST38hWhy would I use N810 as a desktop replacement? I have my Toshibna for that17:20
Veggenwell. it's been my only home machine for a month now.17:20
elbdon't try to paint it like it is :-)17:20
jottwell x86 brings much closed source software - so this is the only practical advantage17:20
Veggen...but I'm way behind on spare-time projects :)17:20
elbI ran a non-x86 laptop for a very long time, with no troubles17:20
fysacertainly not17:21
elbthe x86 hegemony matters very little in the open source world, except that it hampers availability of good platforms17:21
fysaif ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better?17:21
VeggenI am, however, considering using the n810 as my only at-home-mobile computer.17:21
elbif we lived in that unrealistic dream world, I wouldn't care17:21
fysait matters gobs.  there is still a ton of machine language embedded out there.17:21
elband that machine language doesn't matter17:22
fysa>> if ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better?17:22
Veggen...until the EEE arrives here in Norway, I know I'll never be able to resist one ;P17:22
elb"anyway", I already answered that hypothetical question17:22
fysawith a bullshit answer.17:22
RST38hfysa: ARM has a better architecture17:22
elbhow so?17:22
elbif they had the same performance, I wouldn't care17:22
fysayou answered by ignoring it.17:22
elbhow is that bullshit?17:22
elbthey *don't* have the same performance and power requirements17:23
elbso I *do* care17:23
elband x86 is *junk* on the power requirements front17:23
fysanot. for. long.17:23
jottif ARM was 1000x faster than any x86, why would x86 be better?17:23
elbmaybe, people have been saying that for decades17:23
fysano way.17:23
elband the competition keeps getting better as fast as x86 does17:23
fysaI have worked in the embedded field for decades17:23
elb(faster, even)17:23
fysait's always been about 68k and arm.17:23
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elbdon't confuse "good enough" with "as good as the competition", which I think you're about to do17:24
RST38hx86 programming model is badly outdated17:24
elbanyway, there's no reasoning with fanboys17:24
elbenjoy your x86 umpcs, I'll wait for a real computer :-)17:24
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fysaarm fanboys17:24
elb(if it's x86, more power to it ... I'll buy it all the same)17:24
elbactually, I don't care about arm17:24
RST38hand its internal architecture spends A LOT of effort to map that outdated model onto contemporary hadrware17:24
fysaI could give a shit about the CPU if it had power, but Nokia decided to torture us longer with this bullshit.17:25
elbI care about battery life17:25
elbit just so *happens* that ARM is where battery life is right now17:25
RST38hARM is pretty simple internally17:25
elbif I were picking based on architecture, I'd pick PPC hands down17:25
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RST38hAnd this, by the way, is why it requires less power17:25
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fysathey don't want to spend on integrating the new chipset, they don't want to spend on optimizing for the old chipset.17:25
elbRST38h: don't confuse this issue with facts17:25
elbwe have FEELINGS here17:25
fysawhy does complexity matter?17:25
elbleakage power17:26
fysathe only thing that matters: 1) does it work 2) is it usable17:26
RST38helb: This is nothing prozac can't fix17:26
elbif you're at all familiar with semiconductor design17:26
fysawe barely have #2 right now17:26
fysait's a game of leapfrog.17:26
fysait always will be.17:26
elbyour definition of usable must differ from mine17:26
fysathere will always be more leakage today than tomorrow.17:26
RST38hleakage depends on manufacturing tech17:26
elband greater complexity means more gates, which means more leakage17:27
fysaand eventually ARM will have a CPU that lasts a week on full usage17:27
elbregardless of that technology17:27
fysaand we will have x86 variants that last 5 days on full usage17:27
fysax86 is a virus.17:27
fysait will unfortunately prevail.17:27
elbI'd buy an x86 that lasted 12 hours of full usage17:27
fysaI'm not a fan of the architecture.17:27
elbI don't need 5 days17:27
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RST38hfysa: whatever mate17:27
fysaI'm a fan of not having to spend days in scratchbox grabbing and compiling everything.17:28
* RST38h has not spent a minute in scratchbox until now17:28
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RST38hI just go and download stuff, a lot of packages are available17:28
fysathen obviously that is why you have no idea what you or I am talking about, RST38h, good day.17:28
elbyeah maemo is a pain17:28
elbbut again, that's not architecture, so much17:29
RST38hIf he means recompiling for Hildon, then he will have the same problems with Ubuntu Mobile17:29
fysaI have been nerding around compiling, building, screwing around in Linux for over a decade..  and I don't want to have to do this for the device I rely on for day-to-day work.17:29
t_s_ohmm, 2 4GB cards in my N800, woho :) now i just hope they dont corrupt ;)17:29
RST38hMaybe a different framework, but the same problems17:29
fysano, less problems!17:29
RST38hfysa: You should have paid attention to other things17:29
fysamplayer would just compile.  many games would just compile.17:29
RST38hNature, you know, women...17:30
elbhildon will still be nonstandard17:30
fysaL O L !17:30
elbI've compiled several straight up x11 apps for maemo with no problem17:30
RST38hCompiling Linux for a decade - this sounds harsh17:30
fysaUbuntu Mobile uses hildon.17:30
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elb... but they don't work right, becuase they don't know about the funky-ass windowing, menuing, etc.17:30
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fysaanyway.  I will have my cake and eat it too.17:31
fysaand so will all of you.17:31
fysawhether you like it or not.17:31
fysaelb, straight-up x11 apps is usually decent.17:32
fysaI would be just as happy on ARM if I could get 1GHz and 256 - 512MB RAM.17:32
fysaI just need enough for a dozen or two tabs and a few ssh sessions.17:32
fysa(tabs in Firefox)17:32
jottyeah, more ram would be really great.17:33
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jott(but unfortunately also drains power)17:34
t_s_oram these days seems to be more important then cpu really...17:34
fysayes, the current CPU isn't even horrible.17:34
fysait's just that you breathe on the device and you're swapping17:34
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t_s_ooh i would not go that far. but there are some webpages that seems to love eating ram...17:35
t_s_omost of them are some variant on those fancy ajax interfaces btw...17:36
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jottwell if you only browse it's "acceptable" - trouble starts if you begin to multitask (im, pdf, editor etc)17:38
RST38hI don't get why this guy just doesn't buy himself a regular small laptop17:39
fysame?  I am.17:39
RST38hWould fit his needs perfectly17:39
fysabut it still doesn't fit in my pocket.17:39
RST38hWell, it will not17:40
RST38hBut you definitely want a laptop with complete Ubuntu Linux on it17:40
fysasure.  as soon as the Atom-based mini laptops are out, I am on it.17:40
RST38hYou don't want a resource constrained pad with a tiny screen and no keyboard17:40
RST38hBut why wait for Atom? Just buy youself a Centrino based laptop17:41
fysaAtom is almost twice as fast for the same power consumption..17:41
fysagive or take I'm sure.17:41
RST38hAtom is a PentiumI17:41
RST38hCentrino is Pentium3, basically17:41
RST38hDon't tell me Atom is faster :)17:41
fysaPentium M17:41
RST38hPentium M = Pentium 317:42
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RST38hThe Israeli design17:42
fysaAtom is next Centrino.17:42
fysaCentrino Atom.17:42
johnxfor the same power consumption is the key word17:42
infobotjohnx meant: for the same power consumption is the key phrase17:42
fysaHP Mini is VIA with poor video17:43
fysaotherwise I think it looks gorgeous.17:43
fysaEEE is Celeron M17:43
fysawith better video, but horrible keyboard17:43
hrwso you want core2quad M with goforce9 and 12h work on battery?17:43
fysaMSI Wind (or whatever -- there are a dozen similar devices coming out after June) has a decent CPU and decent video17:44
fysaGMA950 would be fine17:44
fysaHP Mini uses some VIA Chrome9 chipset.17:44
fysaif the HP Mini had the Celeron and GMA950, I would be all over it.17:45
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fysaI hear the keyboard is wonderful to type on..17:45
hrwceleronM lack cpufreq support17:45
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fysaoh yes, that too.17:45
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hrwmy wife has celeron 420/430 based laptop and it suxx - fan works most of time17:46
hrwmy pentium M based laptop is nearly quiet when idle17:46
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fysaI'm thinking of getting an old Pentium M laptop to replace my current home linux server17:47
dnearytrying to get sip calls working with the N810 for the first time17:47
dnearyFailing miserably :(17:47
hrwfysa: Dell D400 is nice if you do not want to run on battery17:47
fysawow.  $338.17:47
hrwfysa: pentium M 1.4-1.7, 2 ddr1 so-dimm slots17:48
fysaPC Card?17:48
hrwpcmcia III - yes17:48
hrwminipci slot with broadcom 4306 wifi17:48
fysawould just need to figure out the best way to plug it into an external RAID enclosure..17:49
dnearyAnyone here gotten it working with and can help me out with the right SIP settings?17:49
fysaPC Card eSATA with port multiplier support17:49
fysainto enclosure with built-in port multiplier17:50
fysais what I'm thinking..17:50
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fysaI think that should work.17:53
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hrwwhyy not usb2?17:53
fysaeSATA faster than USB2..17:53
hrwor firewire?17:53
fysaor pcmcia III slow?17:53
hrwpcmcia is slow17:53
fysathen probably firewire would be the way to go..17:54
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RST38hfysa: Atom is Pentium118:06
RST38hfysa: So whatever marketing term you have heard, it is STILL Pentium1, not Pentium3 like Centrino18:07
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fysawho cares?18:08
fysait's superseding Conroe L.18:09
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fysawhich is Core based.18:09
fysaand will have a 1.8GHz dual-core variant.18:10
fysabut that really has nothing to do with anything.18:10
RST38hAtom is not superceding anything18:11
RST38hIt is a parallel line designed for small cheap devices18:11
fysamaybe you have a different version of Wikipedia than I do.18:11
RST38hfysa, I work for Intel.18:11
qwerty12I love IRC fights!18:11
fysathen maybe you should get back to work.  we aren't even having the same discussion.18:12
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* jott hand qwerty12 some crispy atom chips18:15
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elbfysa: straight up x11 apps don't seem to create an application icon, or accept input from the keyboard properly18:18
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||cwAtom will be using some things that intel has been using conroe Celerons in, but they were using them there only because that was their lowest power they got18:23
||cwwow that was some bad english...18:24
johnxit´s ok, you´re on irc18:25
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qwerty12I @\/\/@R|) u 5 $T@R$18:25
||cwatom doesn't supercede anything, but it wil lower demand for the celerons18:25
||cwas well as enter a market Intel just can't play in right now18:26
johnxit´s intel finally admiting that their might just be something to this whole ¨embedded¨ thing18:26
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RST38hIntel will enter a market and make itself a niche18:28
RST38hWill probably blow Geodes and at least some VIAs out of it18:29
||cwjohnx: as long as x86 can be there, yes18:29
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||cwRST38h: the new via is as good, and maybe a little better, than Atom18:29
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RST38hBut as far as mobile devices go, the current Atom is no competitor18:30
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RST38hcw: Yes, I have seen the tests...18:30
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||cweveryone is testing on the high end, the 400Mhz area is where all the fun is18:30
RST38honly power consumption matters18:32
RST38hif you can run at 1.6GHz consuming the same power as competitor does at 400MHz, then you run at 1.6GHz18:32
||cwright, from the little I have, Atom can go that low power wise, but no one seems to care18:33
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johnxRST38h, but they can't18:33
RST38hyep :)18:34
johnxat very least it will be interesting to watch as they try to cram the x86 instruction set into increasingly smaller power envelopes18:34
||cwso ataom can easily compete in the low power/umpc area, but can it compete with armel?18:35
johnxthey'll invent some really neat tech on the way I'm sure :(18:35
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johnxI'll go with no18:35
RST38hthey just need to cram PI instruction set18:36
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||cwlike, what would Atom do in a high end smartphone like what runs a 600Mhz arm now18:36
RST38hAnd PI was made using, let's see...18:36
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johnx||cw, what would it do? the cpu would consume a similar amount of power to a whole n80018:36
RST38h800nm technology18:37
RST38hSo, at 45nm it is real small ;)18:37
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johnxthere was a good article on arstechnica comparing the atom and the next gen of arm stuff (cortex)18:38
johnxthat's worth a read if you're interested in this kind of stuff18:38
johnxI just like watching it from the sidelines18:38
johnxon tablet, gimme a sec18:39
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johnxthere is this: ws.ars/post/20080402-new-atom-cpu-marks-intels-baby-steps-into-embedded-world.html18:41
johnxand there was another I think...18:41
RST38hwhat is ws.ars? =)18:42
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johnxerrr...part of that must not have copied :/18:43
johnxbut it's ok cause this is the one I was thinking of anyways:
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Khertan_on_n810Re ...18:48
johnxKhertan_on_n810, so are you using xchat or pidgin (or something else)?18:49
Khertan_on_n810in past i ve use telepathyy18:49
RST38hjohnx: I just hope every Ubuntu Mobile fanboy reads that18:49
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johnxme too. works suprisingly well.18:50
Khertan_on_n810but sometimes i ve problem with connecting to freenode18:50
qwerty12I use XChat on desktop (linux) and on N800, but sometimes I use BitchX. In windows, NoNameScript (mIRC)18:50
johnxwell there's nothing really x86 specific about ubuntu mobile except that it's a bit heavy in terms of memory usage for current ARM stuff18:50
Khertan_on_n810hum i m upgrading one of my pc which work under ubuntu18:51
Khertan_on_n810i hope repository will work18:51
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johnxI'm actually using IRC on my n800 while I watch my desktop update to hardy right now18:51
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johnxA USB keyboard makes this very nice actually :)18:52
Khertan_on_n810me too but i m in the train :)18:52
Khertan_on_n810ouch 800 Mo to download18:52
johnxI torrented the alternative iso and used it as a starting point18:53
johnxI've got everything downloaded and just watching dpkg chew through it all18:53
Khertan_on_n810better idea than what i m doing18:53
johnxalso pick mirrors in countries where people are asleep right now :D18:54
||cwif all you do is install, the alt is the best18:54
qwerty12Which is not the UK now :p18:54
johnxI have two comps to update from gutsy here so it seemed like a good deal18:54
qwerty12Wait, is the new Ubuntu out?18:54
johnxyeah, join #ubuntu-release-party for the madness18:55
qwerty12**** me, I didn't even realise. I better start updating.18:55
johnxtry taiwan for a fast mirror :)18:55
Khertan_on_n810taiwan don t have fr local packages yet18:56
qwerty12Thanks :). I'm just gonna use the system updater with the dist upgrade option :)18:56
Khertan_on_n810so expect problem (like me)18:57
johnxqwerty12, yeah but if you pick your source in Admin -> software sources it will probably help your download speed18:57
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Khertan_on_n810what the main new thing on hardy ?18:57
qwerty12johnx, ahh. Thanks for that tip.18:57
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||cwjohnx: I have 4 in my house, so I setup apt-proxy on one, works great for updates too18:57
qwerty12Ndiswrapper better not shit out my system though :(18:57
||cwqwerty12: you aren't on the email list?18:57
Khertan_on_n810ouch firefox 3 is release or is it an beta rc ?18:58
qwerty12||cw, Nope :)18:58
johnxKhertan_on_n810, they're releasing with the beta, but it should be stable "real soon now"18:58
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Khertan_on_n810ouch google agenda api is a bit ... hum not very well thinked18:59
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johnxthat's unfortunate :/18:59
Khertan_on_n810 /s/thinked/thought19:01
Khertan_on_n810hum connection should drop19:01
Khertan_on_n810enter underway19:01
qwerty12Khertan, you are always on trains :p19:01
* johnx looks forward to a bluetooth phone and unlimited data plan19:01
johnxqwerty12, some countries have a lot of trains :P19:02
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qwerty12johnx, True, but everytime I see Khertan, he is always on a train :). In the UK, quite a fair bit of trains and underground system19:02
johnxif I could IRC from my train commute I would do it all the time19:03
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qwerty12If I could IRC in school :/. Ah well, I've got the network dump from kismet...19:03
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NaviI IRC from school by ssh'ing home19:06
Cptnodegardnormal people just use pidgin or rtcomm :D19:07
zuhjohnx: I added some docs to the retu addon, along with some data I've gathered on what the battery readings are up to in a full->empty cycle:;a=tree;f=docs19:07
inzCptn, nope, normap people use Xterm + ssh + irssi19:07
NaviIRC ports are blocked19:07
zuhjohnx: You seem to have time to look at it while updating your machines ;)19:07
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NaviPlus, I don't like pidgin/rtcomm for IRC19:08
qwerty12Navi, +1. Xchat, irssi and BitchX for me.19:09
NaviJust weechat for me.19:09
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elbheh pidgin for irc19:10
qwerty12Hmm, I think I should get an S60 phone soon.19:10
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Cptnodegardpidgin is gay but at elast it works19:10
Cptnodegardand it does msn too19:11
* Cptnodegard waits to get flamed for using msn in the first place19:11
elboh yes, it is most certainly homosexual19:11
elbevery evening it makes the moves on all the other bits on my computer19:11
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Cptnodegardi dont liek it myself but for  some reason everyone i know use it. my gtalk list is comprised of 5 people or so19:11
NaviYou beat me19:12
NaviMy jabber list is two19:12
elbthe majority of my regular contacts are AIM, but jabber is catching up19:12
elball the pidgin devs use jabber, of course19:13
||cwgtalk is jabber19:13
elbyes, I'm sure everyone in this conversation knows that19:13
Cptnodegardpeople around me use msn for IM and hotmail for mail....19:14
qwerty12Cptnodegard, same here19:14
Cptnodegardyes its not the brightest bunch19:14
elbI'm pleased to say that I don't correspond regularly with anyone who uses hotmail19:15
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Cptnodegardi opened up a mail on both cell, laptop and n800 (imap of course) and told this guy that when he could do that with msn (without browser) i'd stop callin ghim stupid19:15
||cwwhen I first met wife I showed her gmail and she stopped using hotmail almost immediately19:16
elbyeah, gmail is by far the most usable web mail application I've ever seen19:17
elbmost people who've seen it skip directly out of hotmail19:17
RST38hstill no folders though19:17
||cwdon't need them, you have tags19:17
||cwand IIRC accessing gmail via imap, th tags show as folders19:18
RST38hnaah, I want folders19:18
NaviYahoo!'s new ajax webmail is flashy and slow19:18
RST38ha habit19:18
||cwthe search is awesome too19:18
qwerty12I haven't logged into Yahoo for years and years19:19
sp3000have to admit I haven't used gmail's web ui much19:19
||cwuse gmail search a couple times and you'll never care about folders again, or tags for that mater19:19
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||cwI have a lot of tags, but almost never use them, I just search19:19
sp3000mostly the way I deal is based on various classes of mail with larger quiantities being filtered into specific folders19:19
sp3000which leaves the important or unkown stuff19:19
NaviI have folders, but that's because I have a lot of email services forwarding email to my one GMail account19:20
||cwand the search filds stuff in chatlogs too, damned handy19:20
sp3000I set up a 'direct' tag in gmail for mail that's addressed to me directly and not from some bulk class like bugmail or such, but that doesn't catch all sorts of unknown cases19:20
Cptnodegardi still use my hotmail... for registering on websites i know will spam me19:20
sp3000also, why does my typing suck today19:21
||cwCptnodegard: add a "." in a random place in your gmail address, then filter on it19:22
||cwor is it prefix...19:22
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Proteous_procmain ftw19:24
Proteous_er, procmail19:24
Khertan_on_n810do u have see that a hildon.Window have a margin that a gtk.Window haven t ?19:24
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inzKhertan, yes, HildonWindow has some theme definable borders around it19:27
||cwCptnodegard: also
Khertan_on_n810how can i bypass it ?19:28
Khertan_on_n810i want the no space of a gtk.Window with the menu of an hildon window19:28
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inzKhertan, hmm, I think you lose19:30
Khertan_on_n810arg this suck19:32
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Cptnodegard||cw thanks :D19:35
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Khertan_on_n810hum ... if it s in theme maybe i can change this withgtk.settings_get_default().set_string_property19:38
Mouseyin true linux style, realmedia videos play in anything!19:38
Mouseybut of course Canola rocks my socks19:38
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inzKhertan, that might work, yes19:40
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Khertan_on_n810just need to found the right setting19:40
Khertan_on_n810this will not be easy19:40
Khertan_on_n810specially what they use to make this margin in hildon.Window19:40
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inzThe style property is called "borders"19:42
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k0uakhi :]19:43
Khertan_on_n810i see no 'border' in the ref :
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johnxhi k0uak19:44
k0uaki have a question about my n770, please ^^19:45
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k0uakI lost the lock code19:45
k0uakhow I can reset it ? ^^'19:45
k0uakplease :)19:45
johnxI think there was a thread on
johnxit's actually pretty hard19:46
k0uakyeah I heard that ^^19:46
k0uakI 'm a real noob :/ I set a code and I don't remember it19:46
k0uaki don't wanna ask to nokia because they will remove a lot of money of my bank account xD19:46
qwerty12It's something like reading it out of a /dev/mtd file. I'm not sure on how to do it though.19:47
k0uakok :]19:47
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k0uaki'm looking on InternetTabletTalk19:48
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k0uakif they talk about that19:48
Khertan_on_n810where is stored the current theme rc file on maemo ?19:51
k0uaki can access all19:51
k0uaki tried to restore nokia original system19:51
k0uakbut 12345 doesn't work19:51
johnxk0uak, it's stored outside the part of flash memory that is erased when you reflash19:52
k0uakahw, not cool ^^19:52
k0uakbut it's accessible virtually ?19:53
k0uakor I must open it and screw&hammer all what I see ? XD19:53
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johnxit *should* be possible to read the lock code back from that part of the flash memory19:53
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mgedminI think there was a thread on maemo-users or maemo-dev19:55
mgedminhow to recover the device code19:55
mgedmingoogle might find it19:56
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k0uaki tried to search will all terms ^^19:56
k0uaknokia 770 lock19:56
k0uaketc etc19:56
k0uakdidn't found anything :p19:56
k0uakbut i can access folders of the system with the browser19:57
mgedmink0uak: is the thread19:57
k0uakthanks mgedmin :]19:57
k0uakthere is a .pwd.lock19:58
k0uakin the /etc folder19:58
qwerty12Wow, I didn't know powerlaunch could retrieve the code. Great work by Austin.19:58
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k0uaki'll try that19:59
k0uakeven if i own a 770 ?19:59
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k0uaki don't know how to use ssh or to install it wow XD19:59
qwerty12I think old version exists for OS2007 at least.19:59
qwerty12yeh, I just tried it. it got my lock code fine.20:00
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k0uakyeah but you own a 800 No ?20:01
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k0uak:/ k ^^20:02
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k0uakDunno how to install it :/ I am a real newbie on the tablet20:03
k0uakLinux/SSH/Konsole = ok20:03
k0uakbut on nokia n770 don't know :/20:03
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k0uak: '(20:06
k0uaksomeone can help me please ? :$20:06
qwerty12k0uak, . Save that to your memory card. get xterm and do mv /media/mmc2/powerline ~ and then cd ~ and chmod +x ~/powerline and then ./powerline getdevicelockcode20:07
qwerty12Now I got to go.20:07
qwerty12That is the earliest powerline binary I could find.20:07
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k0uakok =]20:08
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k0uaki looked on a thread20:12
k0uakthe code is maybe in20:12
k0uak . /dev/mtd120:12
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wom-outch, ubuntu update lost my harddrives :)20:14
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k0uakwhen I add a repository in the appmanager ( ) they ask me about distribution and components20:17
k0uakwhat must I set ?20:17
k0uaki set Distrib: mistral20:17
k0uakCOmponents : free non-free user20:17
k0uakis it right ?20:17
inzDepends what release you're using on your tablet20:18
inzuser component doesn't exist there, so take that one off20:19
k0uakNokia os 2006 3.2006.49-220:19
inzErm, my memory is failing me, but I would guess that is scirocco, not mistral20:20
inzBut mistral should work just as well20:20
k0uakbut repository isn't working ^^'20:21
k0uakwhen it will be back ? ^^20:21
k0uakoh it works20:21
k0uakbut slow20:21
k0uakreally slow20:21
k0uak: D20:21
mgedmingregale was the latest in the OS2007 family, no?20:22
mgedminmistral, scirocco, gregale20:22
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mgedminer, OS200620:22
mgedminbora is 200720:23
k0uakso i set Web adress : http://repository.maeomo.Org20:23
k0uakDistribution : mistral20:23
k0uakComposants : no things20:23
mgedmincomponents: free non-free20:23
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k0uakok :]20:23
k0uakmy fingers were crossing20:23
mgedminwhy do you want the SDK repository on the device?20:23
mgedminanyway, remember that some of the SDK package won't work on the real device (e.g. busybox), so things like apt-get upgrade will break your system20:24
k0uakfor that :
mgedminnowadays I stick with maemo extras20:24
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mgedmink0uak: that's ancient!20:24
mgedminthere is openssh in maemo extras20:24
mgedmin... isn't there?20:24
k0uaksorry  ^^'20:24
k0uakbut i don't know how to install maemo20:25
mgedminjust a second, is slow...20:25
k0uaksorry for being a real noob :$20:25
mgedminlook here:
mgedminsorry for not keeping all of up-to-date20:25
k0uakno problem :]20:25
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mgedminbest way to install apps: the green "click to install" icons on
k0uakfrom opera ?20:26
mgedminyes, from the device's browser20:26
k0uakok thanks :D20:26
mgedmin(either opera or microb, both support it)20:26
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k0uaka real real thanks20:26
mgedmin(although OS2006 maybe didn't have microb)20:26
k0uakyou rock20:27
k0uakIF u need a dedicated server for maemo (for free)20:28
k0uakOpera says : "Unable to do a secured transaction (url...)"20:28
k0uakwhen i click install20:28
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mgedminin that case, you can do it manually20:30
mgedminrepository URL:
mgedmindistribution: gregale20:30
mgedmincomponents: free non-free20:30
mgedminonce you add this, you'll see openssh in the app installer list20:30
k0uakok :]20:30
k0uakthanks !20:30
k0uaki try that20:30
mgedminwhich os2006 version do you have?20:31
mgedminif it's not the latest one, perhaps you should upgrade?20:31
mgedmincontrol panel -> device -> about shows the version20:31
k0uaki said before : Nokia os 2006 3.2006.49-220:31
mgedminyes, it's the latest20:32
k0uak(i used nokia update tool tomorrow for flash it it download most recent version)20:33
mgedminI tend to ignore irc backlog and jump into the middle of a discussion -- life's too short...20:34
k0uakok ^^20:34
k0uakno problem20:34
k0uakIt's currently upgrading sources list20:34
k0uak"Downloading 6 kb"20:34
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k0uakstays on 6 kb20:36
k0uakmaybe bcz maemo servs are saturated ?20:36
k0uakyeah :D20:36
k0uaki have tools now20:36
elbput entire sentences on one line20:37
k0uakok sorry -- opeenssh + openssh-client + openssh-server ?20:37
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k0uakopenssh install stays blocked at ~90 % :/20:47
mgedminhappens sometimes20:48
k0uakok =)20:48
inzk0uak, it likely generates keys there20:48
mgedminah, that too20:48
inzk0uak, it takes a while20:48
k0uakso now I've installed openSSH i can login like with putty ?20:48
KotCzarnylike yes20:48
k0uakok :]20:48
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mgedminsome package installations sometimes spend minutes in the middle of the progress bar -- I've always attributed that to the jffs2 garbage collector20:49
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GeneralAntillesThey're usually doing stuff.20:49
k0uakok :)20:49
GeneralAntillespostinst scripts and whatnot20:49
KotCzarnyor waiting for user click20:50
Atariior crashing20:50
KotCzarnyor removing crucial files20:50
Atariidoes anyone have kismet .deb they can send me double plx?20:51
KotCzarnylike .avis20:51
k0uakyes i'm on ssh now :] great20:52
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lcukapt-get install flu-medicine20:57
KotCzarnyyou too?20:57
lcukbeen building all week20:57
lcuki honestly think i will be dead by morning20:57
KotCzarnynow i know!20:58
lcuknothing like man flu :)20:58
KotCzarnyit got to me through ftp!20:58
KotCzarnyi should have used sftp :/20:58
lcukthat wouldnt have helped20:59
lcukits actually elf-flu20:59
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KotCzarnybut i'm a cat20:59
KotCzarnyI'm telling you that the kernel is stable not because it's a kernel,20:59
KotCzarnybut because I refuse to listen to arguments like this.20:59
KotCzarny        -- Linus Torvalds20:59
qwerty12_N800I'm gonna have to get ubuntu upgraded at the weekend. Way too slow now and school tomorrow :(21:00
KotCzarnyqwerty: go live cd ?21:00
lcukqwerty12_N800, yer, its been overloaded most of the day - theres plenty of mirrors on the edu's21:00
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N800, find a mirror.21:00
GeneralAntillesMaybe that.21:00
lcukslashdot comments for the announce list a load of them21:00
KotCzarnyor kernel.org21:01
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KotCzarnyhas a mirrors too21:01
qwerty12_N800Thanks all, I've been trying but my repo's keep having to reload  :/21:01
qwerty12_N800I've taken a break21:01
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practisevoodoohow long does the n810 normally take to get a gps fix?21:02
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KotCzarnydepends on your luck21:02
Mouseypractisevoodoo: just short of 3,000 years21:02
KotCzarnyand location21:02
Mouseygive or take21:02
lcukpractisevoodoo, some people have bad luck, i used to think i do, but i can get a cold lock now in just under 10 minutes21:03
practisevoodooyeah that 3000 years thing sounds about right21:03
KotCzarnyfrom few 30 mins to eternity21:03
GeneralAntillespractisevoodoo, the first is the worst.21:03
lcukthe first few times i tried it it wouldnt lock at all, now it gets locks.  maybe the gps isn't as busy as it was ;)21:03
Mouseysomebody patched gpsd to fix it, thought it was related to the leap year bug, but turns out that's hooey21:04
Mouseyso i don't know wtf is wrong21:04
liquid217anyone ever had a problem with the app manager shouting errors in the log like this?: "apt-worker[1253]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_strsplit_set: assertion 'string != NULL' failed"21:04
practisevoodooMousey, so there is a fix?21:04
KotCzarnycold fix21:04
lcukno practisevoodoo, some guy thought it was related to leap year problems, but its not21:04
Mouseypractisevoodoo: i like to think of it as: it CAN be fixed. i don't know of a reliable fix for it tho21:04
johnxwell it's also just a weak gps chipset21:05
mgedminlast time my n810 got the fix in just 7 minutes!21:05
mgedminisn't that amazing?21:05
lcukright, just switched on now, its 19:0521:05
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KotCzarnygetting fix - new olympic games category?21:06
Mouseyi'd have traded a crappy gps radio for a fullsized SD slot tho21:06
lcukit could just be crappy antenna coupled with RF inteference from other areas21:06
k0uak./powerline: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory21:06
k0uakowned ^^'21:06
KotCzarnyyeah, full sized slot at least works reliably21:06
Mouseyand a SDIO GPS radio21:06
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johnxlcuk, to paraphrase Ti's description "It provides great value as an economy GPS chipset" or somesuch21:07
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lcuktell the americans to turn the gps up - i can't hear it21:07
Mouseyit's crappy here in america too21:07
johnxit really is their lowest end chipset and meant to be used with AGPS on a cellphone21:07
lcukit wont be a problem when we have galileo21:07
Mouseyyes it will21:08
mgedminwill the n810 support it?21:08
Mouseyit means i have to get a new tablet!21:08
NullM0demis that the chipset in the n810?21:08
lcukwell i would be happy if it read in the COUNTRY as a minimum and held onto the data it does get from the sats21:08
johnxor a bluetooth gps/galileo21:08
MouseyNullM0dem: no it's the !american GPS network21:08
lcukits having to grab all the aphoris data or whatever it is21:08
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practisevoodooyeah but galileo isnt going to be up for years21:08
lcukthat would be sweet if you could just choose which GPS to tune to21:09
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lcukwell today i am on Mars21:09
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mgedminafaik these use more or less the same frequences/protocol, so that consumer devices can use both at the same time21:09
qwerty12_N800Anyone know a way to let me use lettters as bluetooth pass code? Or workaround?21:09
mgedminqwerty12_N800: workaround: don't21:09
practisevoodoolcuk, you're on mars too?21:09
mgedminuse numbers21:09
KotCzarnyqwerty: nope unless you find a way to reflash bt device firmware21:10
mgedminthere are devices that don't support letters in bluetooth passcodes21:10
practisevoodooim over by olympus mons having a beer21:10
qwerty12_N800mgedmin: I have to. A bluetooth gps I have uses letters21:10
lcukmgedmin, nahhh not current devices, you might get a dual format device eventually, but you cant just take a US GPS device and use i with gal21:10
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lcuki want localized GPS transmitters21:10
mgedminlcuk: right21:10
lcuki could set it up in the house and get an instant fix21:11
k0uakwill it be okay with that ??? : sudo ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
mgedmink0uak: nope21:11
lcukbtw, mine can still only barely see 1 sat.  its low on the bars as well21:11
mgedmink0uak: get the app built for the right OS version21:11
mgedminOS2008 has
lcukhmmmm i seem to remember me not having wifi or bt on last time...21:12
qwerty12_N800k0uak: you are out of luck then. no earlier powerline exists. flash to 2008he for a while?21:12
KotCzarnyshow me the way.. to the next gps bar..21:12
k0uakhow i can flash 2008 to a 770 ?21:13
lcukhmmm coincidence? i just disconnected wifi and i now have 321:13
KotCzarnymaybe you moved it21:13
lcukno actually when i sat back down it went down, but then i stood up and i got more OMG its like old tv antennas21:13
KotCzarnyhand waving?21:14
mgedmink0uak: it would be easier to rebuild the app for OS200621:14
k0uakjust had to do : ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
k0uakand it worked :]21:14
mgedminthere's OS2008 Hacker's Edition, but it's in alpha and not supported21:14
lcuki do that normally21:14
* mgedmin shudders21:14
mgedminexpect trouble down the way21:14
GeneralAntillesIt works better than OS2006 for me.21:14
mgedminGeneralAntilles: everything works? wifi? browser? music?21:14
k0uakos2008 hackers edition ?21:14
k0uaki'll see that21:14
GeneralAntillesYes, mgedmin.21:14
mgedminyay rules!21:14
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k0uakNokia770-49:~# ./powerline getdevicelockcode21:15
k0uakCould not get introspection data for powered: The name org.maemo.Powered was not provided by any .service files21:15
k0uakbooh :/21:15
NullM0demanyone port slackware to the n8*0's yet :-P21:16
KotCzarnyi was thinking about it21:16
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k0uakwhat mean this output please ?21:16
qwerty12_N800k0uak: you need to install entire powerlaunch then21:16
k0uaki'll do that21:16
lcukfull compile on device :)21:16
KotCzarnyyeah, fun21:16
NullM0demreally KotCzarny?21:16
lcukshouldnt be too bad as long as you get it up to 400mhz21:17
* mgedmin wonders if his scratchbox works after the hardy heron upgrade21:17
johnxNullM0dem, nah, Debian is enough of a challenge :P21:17
qwerty12_N800I think a  port does exist. check their forums21:17
KotCzarnyit shouldn't be too hard21:17
NullM0demstock debian?21:17
johnxKotCzarny, screenshots? what did you get running?21:17
johnxNullM0dem, largely21:17
KotCzarnyas most of the packages compile without a problem21:17
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johnxsome custom packages to deal with hardware21:17
k0uaki have deb files for powerlaunch, so I'll have just to do a dpkg -i ? :/21:17
NullM0demim assuming nokia's distribution could use alot of optimization.21:18
lcuki would love to start from scratch with a device like this21:19
johnxnah, it's pretty optimized, but it's also diverged significantly from modern debian21:19
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NullM0demlcuk: It would be fun21:19
glasssomeone ran full debian on n800 iirc21:19
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* johnx waves his hand in the air21:19
NullM0demnice, how does console work21:20
NullM0demid like to choose X or tect interface at boot21:20
johnxthat bit was tricky and it happened last21:20
NullM0demi bet21:20
NullM0demnotice any increase in batt life running text only?21:21
johnxjust recently fanoush (who is awesome) put together some tools for being able to actually switch on the framebuffer console21:21
johnxpretty bad battery hit running Debian vs ITOS21:21
johnxMissing a lot of power saving stuff21:21
NullM0demAPM etc?21:22
johnxthat would be nice21:22
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johnxbinary-only dsme from Nokia21:22
NullM0demwas going to ask about that21:22
johnxand bme for battery monitoring charging21:22
Atariias if someone just typed APM21:22
k0uakmust I try with the last powerlaunch version ? or the first ?21:22
Atariii had just opened wiki on APM (Applicaiton Portfolio Management tho) not the same thing :P21:23
johnxgod, I wish it was like the zaurus: apt-get install apmd && apm -s21:23
NullM0demheh, sync21:23
qwerty12_N800johnx: indeed. framebuffer is great.21:23
GeneralAntillesjohnx, it's interesting, Igor still maintains that those shouldn't be roadblocks because all that stuff is in the kernel.21:23
johnxGeneralAntilles, well yeah, it's just a matter of interfacing to it21:24
NullM0demwhich without docs could take a long time21:24
johnxand also wlancond handles a the wifi powersaving which is a huge deal21:24
lcukstill no gps lock by the way...21:24
qwerty12_N800lcuk: how long has it been searching?21:25
johnxanyways, enough ranting from me tonight, time for sleep :)21:26
NullM0demnite johnx21:26
johnx'night all21:26
lcuk<lcuk> right, just switched on now, its 19:05          <<< its not 19:2621:26
lcuknow ^21:26
lcukholy flock! it got it21:26
lcuk21 minutes...21:27
qwerty12_N800That is extremely bad.21:27
mgedminthe very first fix is very slow21:27
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mgedminwhile the n810 figures out which hemisphere you're on, or something21:28
mgedminthen it gets better21:28
* GeneralAntilles gets fixes with his $50 i-blue 737 in around 30 seconds.21:28
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mgedminn810 also can get a fix in 30 seconds, provided you try it within 4 hours since you last had a fix21:28
mgedminor something like that21:28
qwerty12_N800not practical though21:29
k0uaktried wuth the dpkg said that is missing : hildon-libs0 libglade2-021:29
k0uakand libosso121:29
GeneralAntillesIt's for a different version of ITOS.21:30
k0uaki tried with the 1st version of powerlaunch21:30
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lcuk19:33 starting again21:33
NullM0demwhats that drift from lcuk?21:34
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k0uaksomeone know how to do ? :(21:36
KotCzarnyinstall os2008he21:36
k0uaka link for me please ?21:37 ?21:37
k0uakok =]21:37
snowmoon-workI've found using openntpd improves the inital lock time while in imperfest GPS situations21:37
snowmoon-workat least with the internal n810 chip21:38
lcuk19:37 locked    NullM0dem what drift21:38
k0uakif i have windows can I install it too ?21:38
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NullM0demsorry, thought your clock was drifting, im doing too much :-P21:38
lcukright back later21:38
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k0uakwill i work with :
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k0uakwith update tool21:45
k0uaki'm a real noob XD21:45
Atariiyea it works with the windows update tool21:45
k0uaknice :D21:45
Atariiuse the 2nd link to get the image21:46
k0uaknot SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin ?21:47
Atariiyes thats the one21:48
k0uakokay :D21:48
k0uakthanks Atarii :]21:50
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dougtcomment #2 is pretty funny21:53
lcukloading comments: Attempting to retrieve comments from forum system.21:53
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k0uakwho has an opinion about htc shift ??21:56
NullM0demubutu on n810! Why?21:57
NullM0demI guess they will strip it down really well21:57
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mgedminNullM0dem: why? 26 *thousand* packages22:00
pupnikstop!  pizzaa time22:00
mgedmingranted, none of those are hildonized22:00
mgedminstill, all command-line tools already ported for your convenience22:00
* mgedmin always thinks of the soviet hammer & sickle when he sees the Qt logo22:00
GeneralAntilles"Gim told us in an e-mail."22:01
GeneralAntillesHahaha poor Gim . . .22:01
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NullM0demI just have many hours invested in trimming ubuntu for users with lowend hardware22:02
NullM0dem8 minute boot times etc22:02
MouseyNullM0dem: what about just using ubuntu mobile?22:02
NullM0demwas not aware of it thanks22:03
Mouseyyah, ubuntu mobil22:03
KotCzarny  lol22:04
NullM0demis that slammp?22:04
NullM0demI would do something like this for an interface, ROX and windowmaker22:04
||cwslowest i've run a standard distro on was a 486-50 with 32MB ram, debian sarge w/ 2.4 kernel worked pretty well on it22:04
NullM0demive used 166 and 266 with 128 megs ram22:06
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NullM0demslack or base debian runs great22:06
* KotCzarny has 386 with 4mb ram, but works with linux :>22:06
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KotCzarnyas a ssh terminal but .. :)22:06
||cwthis was a hp scanjet5 so command line only, worked pretty well22:06
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KotCzarnyfor xmms fans22:11
k0uak2008 on :] yay22:13
NullM0demI thought of doing that myself, there are alot of apps that can be remote controlled. VLC, mplayer as well22:15
KotCzarnyi'm using ncurses app as a frontend to mplayer22:16
KotCzarnywanna see?22:16
NullM0demi just bought a book on ncurses!22:17
k0uakomg 2008 is great ^^22:18
KotCzarnynm: i'm using it as my main media player22:19
KotCzarnybecause i can run it on screen22:19
KotCzarnyand reattach from diff machines22:19
lcukkot i think my wrist watch has more memory than your 38622:19
NullM0demKotCzarny: " programmers guide to ncurses" published by wiley22:19
KotCzarnylcuk: yeah, but can your wrist watch run linux?22:20
KotCzarnyand ssh?22:20
NullM0demand aafire22:20
lcuki dunno probably :P22:20
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k0uaklcuk > what must I set for mirrors now I've set Nokia-OS2008 HE -22:21
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lcukermmmm i could answer that , but i'd be wrong22:21
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k0uaki'll try ^^22:22
* lcuk looks around like a rabbit in headlights22:22
pupnikgood song22:22
* KotCzarny honks22:22
lcukevening pupnik22:22
k0uakbut sound doesn't work under 2008 :/22:23
k0uakis it a known bug ?22:24
Atariiyup k0uak22:24
k0uakso i'll just use it to fix back this lock code :]22:24
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k0uakbut i must found the good repository to install openssh ^^22:25
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k0uaknice :]22:27
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k0uakit's chinook isn't it ?22:27
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NullM0demKotCzarny: i was looking at your bootmenu.conf file. you use usb networking? is that ethernet?22:27
KotCzarnynm: it's rescue mode22:27
KotCzarnybut yes, you can use usb-eth cable22:27
KotCzarnysearch itt threads22:28
NullM0demcouple more days, till i get my tablets :)22:29
NullM0demover anxious22:30
k0uakno way to fix sound on 2008 ? ^^22:30
Atariinot yet k0uak22:31
Atariiits works fine with headphone i think22:31
k0uakok :]22:31
k0uakhm i have a console under 200822:31
k0uakwhen i sudo dpkg -i powerlaunch22:32
k0uakhe ask me root passwd22:32
k0uakwhats the default root passwd ?22:32
Atariiyou need to install becomeroot22:32
Atariior enable R&D mode22:32
Atariioreos ftw22:34
KotCzarnynm: pfl you can run on cygwin/regula linux too22:34
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k0uakwith 0S2007 hacker edition sound works on the 770 ?22:36
Atariibut 2008os is so much better22:36
||cw8 doens't work well on the 770 though22:37
k0uakok =)22:37
||cwor did something change int eh last month22:37
k0uakso i'll hack this password thing22:37
k0uakand jump on the 200722:37
k0uaki found 2008 cool ^^22:38
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k0uakjust no sound is no luck :(22:40
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k0uakwhen I try to launch "powerlaunch"22:50
k0uakit says a lot of text22:50
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k0uakpowerlaunch[1970]: GLIB DEBUG default22:50
k0uaklike that22:50
k0uaki'm going to put 2007 :/22:51
k0uak2008 seems too be a bit ^^'22:51
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k0uaksomeone is alive ? ^^23:21
k0uakdo u know the release name for the OS2007 hacker edition ?23:22
k0uakok ^^23:22
k0uakthx =)23:23
k0uakdon't find ^^'23:24
smackpotatohere you go23:25
k0uakok thx23:25
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k0uakomg i hope powerlauncher will work on `:////23:28
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tsukasa_this is offtopic but which should i get, a futon or a mattress23:30
tsukasa_im moving to an unfurnished apt next semester23:31
KotCzarnyyou put mattress on a futon?23:31
tsukasa_i mean a normal mattress, vs futon + frame23:31
GeneralAntillestsukasa_, get a real pillow top. :P23:31
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tsukasa_are futons comfortable compared to a reg mattress?23:33
tsukasa_ive never used one23:33
GeneralAntillesDepends on the futon.23:33
KotCzarnygo to the shop and test it?23:33
tsukasa_hmm i think i will23:33
KotCzarnyit's a personal preference anyway23:33
GeneralAntillesFutons tend to get lumpy over time.23:33
GeneralAntillesWhich is irritating.23:34
tsukasa_what about air mattresses?23:34
tsukasa_any good?23:34
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GeneralAntillesDepends on the air mattress. ;)23:34
GeneralAntillesThe Nautilus/Select Comfort stuff is good23:35
GeneralAntillesbut expensive.23:35
GeneralAntillesThe benefit to a cheap pillow top isn't all that high.23:35
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: The benefit over a cheap pillow top isn't all that high.23:35
wndI definitely prefer futon found in a cheap japanese ryokan over "reg mattress" found in most hotels23:36
NullM0demi have a decent air matress forget what it is, has a builtin pump23:36
AStormless springs?23:36
lcuk2air matresses are comfy and fun, however with someone else the fun goes away at 4am when they get up to go to the toilet23:37
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lcuk2reminds me of a space hopper23:37
joe_mibCan anyone give me a hint on how to solve that nautilus level in NumpyPhysics ?23:39
AStormwater matress?23:39
tsukasa_waters too expensive i think23:40
tsukasa_plus you have to sign shit to get them in the apt23:40
tsukasa_in case they explode and cause water damage23:40
lcuk2TIDAL WAVE!23:41
AStormI would be more afraid of broken pipes than some matress23:41
lcuk2do not underestimate how much water you need to fill a waterbed23:41
AStormabout a bathtub's worth23:41
wndor energy to keep it warm ;-)23:42
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lcuk2for what? a small single compact bed?23:42
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AStormlcuk2: nah23:42
k0uakwhat version of powerlauncher would you recommend me with os2007 ?23:42
AStormnon-broken one23:43
AStormthere's none, so you're out of luck23:43
k0uakit didn't worked under os2008 :////23:43
AStormnah, it does23:43
joe_miberr ok...23:44
AStormbut it's a buggy piece of s...oftware anyway23:44
lcuk2heh :D23:44
k0uakyes but i have to find my code back :/23:44
k0uakbcz it worked this afternoon for another user23:44
AStormyou can reset the code using the flasher afaicr23:44
k0uakafaicr ?23:45
lcuk2as far as i can remember23:45
AStorminfobot: YOU!23:45
infobotastorm, I love abuse, feed me!23:45
lcuk2or he just spewed onto his keyboard23:45
k0uaki used the nokia flasher/updater23:46
AStorm~acronym afaicr23:46
k0uakit didn't remove any code23:46
k0uakok ^^23:46
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AStormk0uak: it's a separate option of it23:46
smackpotatojoe which is the nautalis level am i missing something23:46
k0uakhow to do it ? please :/23:46
AStormk0uak: I'm talking about linux flasher-3.023:46
k0uaki'll try to reinstall 2008 and again this real useful tool23:47
k0uaki hope it will work under 2008 ..23:48
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cLinanyone use motion on os2008?23:52
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practisevoodoois there a vnc for the n81023:52
AStormk0uak: you must run it on the PC23:52
AStormusing an USB cable to connect the N23:53
lcuk2practisevoodoo, client or server?23:53
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lcuk2although the answer is yes23:53
k0uakyeah it's what I do .. with the nokia update tool23:53
k0uakwhat i do wrong ?23:53
AStormk0uak: nah, the Windows tool is junk23:53
AStormuse the real flasher23:54
practisevoodooi mean i found this but it wont instal23:54
k0uakYes but I don't have linux ^^'23:54
k0uaki have only dedicated servers under linux :/23:54
AStormk0uak: so use vmware23:54
k0uakok =)23:54
AStormit does support USB23:54
k0uakvmware workstation ?23:54
AStormor player23:54
k0uakok :]23:54
k0uakwhat version is the best for u ?23:54
AStormyou can find many different linux images for vmware, ready to run23:55
AStormk0uak: player is free23:55
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k0uaki'll use player so23:55
AStormbut it can't create new vms, so you have to use some premade one23:55
k0uaki hope real flasher will remove this crappy keylock code :]23:55
AStormNokia has one with full devel env.23:55
k0uakok Astorm23:55
* lcuk2 wonders if anyone else needs anything googling23:56
k0uakand nokia is best ?23:56
k0uakor i must use the maemo tool ?23:56
AStormthe what?23:56
lcuk2no, if you have your own linux distro you can install yourself23:56
AStormlcuk2: he doesn't23:56
lcuk2but the simplest way to get the sdk is to try the vmware image :)23:56
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k0uakWhat image is the best for you ? ^^23:57
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AStormk0uak: any Linux will do23:57
AStormalmost any23:57
k0uakok :]23:57
AStormon 99,9% of distros flasher will work23:57
practisevoodoo_i am going to kill my isp, anyway lcuk2 do you know where i can get the client?23:57
k0uakSo i could take the first maemo sdk ^^23:57
tsukasa_how good is vnc on the 800?23:58
lcuk2its great on my 81023:58
tsukasa_is it any more laggy then desktop vnc23:58
k0uakthere is no problem flashing N770 under 2007hacked and removing the code ?23:58
lcuk2i use it rotated 90deg though :)23:58
lcuk2never noticed a problem with vnc at all23:58
practisevoodoo_yeah i found that site and it wont install23:58
tsukasa_is that vnc to nix or windows23:58
* ljp just installed the maemo sdk in the qtopia sdk23:58
lcuk2i was sure i got mine from there23:59
practisevoodoo_hang on ill get the error message23:59

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