IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-04-19

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flyguyRST38h: I do my gtk_init on line 5200:08
RST38hok, see it00:08
KotCzarnyflyguy, try this program on pc?00:09
KotCzarny(without hildon stuff of course)00:09
lardman|tvnight all00:11
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flyguyKotCzarny: Everything terminated as expected, nothing out of the ordinary00:14
flyguyseems like it must be a Chinook thing00:14
KotCzarnytry commenting out hildon stuff then?00:14
KotCzarnyprogram will work and you will investigate it sometime later00:15
KotCzarny:)00:15
flyguysorry, my post was clear as mud, everything worked as expected00:15
KotCzarnynvm00:15
flyguytermination happened as expected, no memeory dump or anything00:15
flyguynvm??00:15
lcuknevermind - i think you 2 are getting a bit confused.00:16
RST38hflyguy: so, what was it?00:16
lcukon the big pc, you already just took out the hildon stuff to test didnt you00:16
flyguyyes, on my desktop no errors or crazy memory dumps00:16
flyguyeverything works as expected00:17
lcukso, now take that same source and compile for armel as kot suggested00:17
RST38haha00:17
lcukthis should still work, except it wont have hildon specific bits00:17
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lcuktest if it crashes that way..00:17
RST38hif it still fails on the device, try commenting out some of the widgets and see which one causes the problem00:18
lcukthis is like "if the computer is still failing, take out each peripheral until you find the one that is borkening it"00:18
* lcuk once went all the way to the cpu before giving up00:18
flyguyI will definently do that, I will have to learn how to compile with armel, this is my first attempt at programming for my nokia00:19
KotCzarnyflyguy: the same way you do on linux pc00:19
KotCzarny:)00:19
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flyguyI still don't fully understand the target construct, need to do some more reading00:20
* lcuk is still reading00:20
* KotCzarny is still playing00:20
RST38hflyguy: you may want to use maemosdk instead of the original sdk00:20
KotCzarnyi'm on disc3 though00:20
KotCzarnyso it shouldn't be long00:20
RST38hIt is way more straightforward00:20
RST38hmaemosdk+, I wanted to say00:20
lcukfloppy disk kot?00:20
KotCzarnyiso image00:20
KotCzarny:)00:20
* KotCzarny imagines psx games on a floppy games00:21
flyguyNo I am confused, I downloaded Chinook from the maemo web site, thought that was the sdk00:21
KotCzarny'new! multifloppy reader!'00:21
RST38hOk, there are two SDKs00:21
KotCzarny'now insert floppies 16-24 and 32-4000:21
RST38hOne is the MaemoSDK (Chinook aka 4.0) that you can download off Maemo site00:22
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RST38hIt is based on ScratchBox1 (SB1) and that is basically a quasi-virtual Linux inside your Linux00:22
RST38hVery cumbersome and quirky00:22
KotCzarnybut works00:22
KotCzarnyfor me at least00:23
RST38hBut there is also MaemoSDK+ based on ScratchBox2 (SB2)00:23
lcukif you are unsure, the simplest method to get started is to see the SDK in place in a live linux system. there is a maemovmware image around which has everything preconfigured and runnable00:23
RST38hThis one works a bit differently00:23
KotCzarnyand i like scratchbox's ability to have multiple targets00:23
KotCzarnyso i can play with misc libs/gccs without breaking everything00:23
RST38hInstead of logging into a virtual Linux, you prepend all your commands with sb2 and they compile for your target machine00:23
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RST38hSB1 worked for me as well, but it was clunky and ate almost all of the Linux partition00:24
flyguyRST38h: so gcc would be something like sb2-gcc00:24
KotCzarnyi had a spare 40gb disk with badblocks00:24
RST38hIt will be sb2 gcc *.c00:24
flyguyand I can do everything from normal command line00:24
KotCzarnyso space isn't a concern for me00:24
KotCzarny:)00:25
RST38hMy whole disk drive is 30GB00:25
RST38hAnd most of it is taken by XP00:25
KotCzarnyheheheh00:25
RST38hflyguy: yep00:25
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RST38hflyguy: The drawback is that you can't debug on your PC, you have to transfer stuff to the tablet00:25
RST38hBut I am doing it anyway, so it does not matter for me00:26
flyguyAs a side I truly hate XP and Vista is just a lazy out of work version of XP, just sits on its ass all day doing nothing of any use00:26
flyguyRST38h: I am still very new to programming so I will probably have to stick with chinook00:27
lcukyou are right, if you have got a computer sitting around trying to look pretty with nothing running then you would be better saving the environment and turning it off00:27
RST38hflyguy: Both of the SDKs are for chinook00:27
lcukas for myself i keep whichever OS i am running in busy :)00:27
RST38hChinook (or OS2008) is basically the current version of Linux-based OS running inside your tablet00:27
flyguyI have a buddy at work how is well versed in Windows and networking but still can't get his xp and vista machine talking00:28
KotCzarnyheh00:28
flyguywho not how, great typing00:28
lcukflyguy, the scratchbox (original) toolchain, and the newer sb2 toolchain both end up with the same executable built for nokia os2008(chinook)..00:28
KotCzarnyi'm well versed with linux00:28
KotCzarnyand made vis/xp/lin talking to each over easily00:29
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KotCzarnyjust turn of firewalls in windows00:29
KotCzarny;)00:29
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KotCzarny*off00:29
RST38hLinux isn't exactly a brilliant either...00:29
flyguyI might try the sb2 toolchain00:29
KotCzarnyrst38h: i would prefer linux everyday over windows00:29
KotCzarny:)00:29
flyguyat least linux is free, how much do you have to pay for that sad execuse of an operating system now?? 20000:29
VeggenRST38h: all oSes suck, but some more than others :)00:30
RST38hCompared to BSDs, it feels like a toy, although I have to admit that the latest Ubuntu versions are pretty decent toys00:30
KotCzarnyheh00:30
lcukflyguy, most people do not directly pay for their OS.00:30
KotCzarnyrst, bsds have their own quirks00:30
KotCzarny:)00:30
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Cptnodegardmost people dont even indirectly pay for their OSes :p00:30
lcukthe cost of linux is irrelivent because the only way its going to take off is if its on the machine (ala 8x0 and eee)00:30
RST38hKot: Aside from being dumb, no quirks00:30
flyguyYou may not pay for the actual OS but how much do you pay for userland apps00:31
lcukwhats wrong with buying a linux product?00:31
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KotCzarnynothing00:31
KotCzarnyassuming it does what it has to do00:31
KotCzarny:)00:31
lcukif i want to play doom 2009 super dark edition on linux i do not expect to get it for free00:31
flyguyTrue but how much should you pay to keep track of your finances or write a term paper00:32
lcuki pay what i feel it is worth and available for00:32
KotCzarnyfree market00:32
KotCzarny:)00:32
lcukopen office works because its a community effort00:32
KotCzarnylcuk, OOo was a closed product at first, i think00:33
lcuki dont expect people to help me write doom (though some game makers do)00:33
Proteous_gnucash ftw00:33
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RST38hfree/non-free makes no difference in the real world00:33
lcukalso, with open office, if i find a problem i can try and fix it00:33
KotCzarnyor at least find a person who can00:33
KotCzarny:)00:33
RST38honly open source fanatics are interested in this distinction00:33
lcukor pay someone to fix it00:34
lcuk:)00:34
flyguyI don't care how open it is, my concern is price00:34
Veggenprice has nothing to do with it. really.00:34
lcukbounties are great00:34
KotCzarnyflyguy: not true00:34
RST38hFor an average person, the only thing that matters is value vs price00:34
KotCzarnyif it's 'free' but snoops your data00:34
lcukflyguy, now, its not just price surely00:34
KotCzarnyor displays ads..00:34
KotCzarny;)00:34
KotCzarnyi would hate such app00:34
RST38hKot: The funny thing is, a lot of non-free apps snoop and display ads now00:34
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flyguyads don't bother me but I would agree with the snoops00:34
KotCzarnyrst: none that i use :)00:35
lcukthen you are free to go elsewhere00:35
KotCzarny(i believe)00:35
RST38hKot: Same here (everything sanitized) but still00:35
KotCzarnyand i hate marketing scams00:35
flyguyaren't all you windows users sick of there new crapy interface, i hate eye candy for the sake of eye candy00:36
KotCzarnywith apps doing less or worse showing higher in search engines than free or better equivalents00:36
lcukhow do you find time to sanitize and scrutinize everything?00:36
flyguyI feel the same about compiz00:36
KotCzarnyi like eye candies00:36
lcukflyguy, some are, but some don't know any different00:36
KotCzarnybut after a few days i turn them off00:36
KotCzarnythough it's nice to show off sometimes00:36
KotCzarny:)00:36
RST38hlcuk: Does not take much time, there are programs for that00:36
lcuk? like what, may be useful00:37
KotCzarnyiptables00:37
KotCzarny:>00:37
* lcuk gives out info in source code00:37
RST38hlcuk: on Windows, start with HijackThis00:37
flyguyKot: you watch the logs??00:38
lcukbut that doesnt sanitize the data?00:38
KotCzarnysometimes00:38
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RST38hdata does not get executed00:38
KotCzarnyrst38h: not true ;)00:38
lcukthat just allows me as an admin to confirm i still have a clean ship, what happens if microsoft updates a legit program and wants to send data, or any one of the 400 or so programs installed?00:38
RST38hlcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap00:39
RST38hlcuk: And it does send data.00:39
flyguyhow do you all feel about activating products you paid for00:39
RST38hlcuk: Second, you are unlikely to have 400 programs installed. You probably have at most 20-3000:39
lcukyes, do you know what data?  do you check everytime?00:39
RST38hI do not00:39
LinuxCode[22:39] RST38h lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap00:39
LinuxCodeit also used to break other peoples crap...on purpose00:40
LinuxCode;-p00:40
RST38hYea, but not directly00:40
LinuxCodelol00:40
RST38hlcuk: With Microsoft there is not much I can do00:40
lcukprogram files contains 134 folders00:40
LinuxCodeI would beg to differ.... IBM Vs Microsoft00:40
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RST38hlcuk: With the normal apps though, if an app sends ANYTHING outside, I delete it00:40
RST38hlcuk: Are you using all 134 aps?00:41
LinuxCodeohh Im in maemo...thought this was fedora lol00:41
LinuxCodebtw hi lcuk ;-D00:41
lcuki doubt thats everything, but yer at different times00:41
lcukhi there LinuxCode not spoke in a whil;e00:41
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flyguywhy does every hate on fedora00:41
LinuxCodeyes I had my final year project to get rid of00:41
LinuxCodestill got work to do mind00:41
flyguyeveryone00:41
LinuxCode;-|00:41
LinuxCodeflyguy, Im using it00:42
KotCzarnybecause fedora behaves like a mad experimentator00:42
LinuxCodeso again..I beg to differ00:42
RST38hFedora is a pile of steaming shit00:42
KotCzarnyand breakes sometimes stuff in the process00:42
KotCzarny:)00:42
LinuxCodeRST38h, so are most irc users00:42
RST38hSame goes for RedHat proper, only that one also costs money00:42
LinuxCodeyet we all spend time on it00:42
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flyguyI have ran Fedora for about 6 years still no major problems00:42
lcukRST38h, there are a lot more things installed both within the folder and outside it - i cull pretty often, but it is a bit of a monster00:42
LinuxCodeflyguy, same00:42
flyguyLinuxCode: first version??00:43
LinuxCodeeven longer00:43
LinuxCodeyes00:43
LinuxCoderedhat 9 before that00:43
RST38hlcuk: You probably aren't using all 136 apps00:43
flyguynice, for me FC300:43
RST38hOur CS department had RedHat, with a corporte support contract00:43
flyguyreally excited for 900:43
LinuxCodeflyguy, ou should be00:43
LinuxCodeyou00:43
LinuxCodeas long as all features make it in00:43
lcukRST38h, im probably not, but my missus might be using some of them and my sons00:44
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RST38hOne of the "nice" things RedHat did was random NFS hangups, where it managed to corrupt open files on the server00:44
LinuxCode*did*00:44
flyguybluetooth support looks to be greatly improved looking forward to screwing around with my phone through fedora00:44
LinuxCodethat makes it past tense00:44
lcukbut i do clean it out - this system has only been installed since 200500:44
LinuxCodenfs bugs are not specific to a distro00:44
RST38hlcuk: Delete everything, take installation rights from them, then install what they ask you to00:44
RST38h=)00:44
lcukthey never install anything - i do it all00:45
RST38hLinux: maybe it still does, who knows?00:45
LinuxCodeflyguy, its alreayd good in f800:45
lcukbut they ask for things and i oblige, whats the big deal?>00:45
RST38hLinux: I ended up on a Solaris machine00:45
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LinuxCodewell good for you00:45
flyguyhave problems with my LG az860000:45
flyguyax6800 even00:45
flyguyax8600 even00:45
LinuxCodesun just bought mysql and promptly will make stuff closed source00:45
RST38hLinux: Told them that they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands00:45
KotCzarnyhuh00:46
LinuxCodejust shows how much I dont like them ...00:46
KotCzarnylet's hope for a fork00:46
KotCzarny:)00:46
lcukLinuxCode, no they wont.  they have a couple of closed source apps which utilise the open source mysql core functions00:46
LinuxCodeKotCzarny, theres always postrgesql , if nothing else goes..00:46
* KotCzarny shrugs00:46
LinuxCodelcuk, k00:46
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* lcuk thinks that is a viable model00:47
flyguymysql, not that impressed. postgres or sqlite00:47
LinuxCodei knew the enterprise version always was kinda closed/support only or whatever00:47
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lcukyes exactly, you may get other things if you go down that route, but the database as it stands now is OSS and proud00:47
LinuxCodehehe00:47
LinuxCodeyeh if they did the community version in....they would kill off 90% of their custom00:48
LinuxCodepeople would get soo angry00:48
LinuxCodenever buy/use sun products again00:48
lcukword of mouth is the biggest benefit00:48
flyguysun = little microsoft00:48
lcukpeople don't buy/use sun products normally anyway ;) (apart from the coffee thing)00:48
LinuxCodeflyguy, i dont agree with that00:48
LinuxCodethey have and support many OSS projects00:49
flyguysun is doing what microsoft did, buy out competition but they went to the one place microsoft didn't OSS00:49
LinuxCodeits a hybrid business model...just like Nokia with the Nxxx00:49
KotCzarnyflyguy: either that or leaving those buyoutcompetition to others00:50
LinuxCodeanyway00:50
LinuxCodeim not here to discuss or argue or whatever00:50
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LinuxCodelcuk, whats new mate ?00:50
KotCzarnylc: you already did ;)00:50
LinuxCodeKotCzarny,  I know....00:50
LinuxCode;-[00:50
lcukwell.. ive been invited to linuxtag to speak :)00:50
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LinuxCodegot drawn in00:50
KotCzarnyyeah.. internet00:50
KotCzarny;)00:50
LinuxCodecool00:50
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lcukand ive finally got over my code phobia.  ive started coding properly now00:51
LinuxCodelcuk, anything new n810 wise.. ? appz and stuff ?00:51
LinuxCodeI havent checked lately00:51
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LinuxCodehahaha00:51
lcukgo find numptyphysics00:51
LinuxCodelcuk, glad to hear that00:51
LinuxCodewhats that ?00:51
KotCzarnyfun00:51
KotCzarny:)00:51
KotCzarnycandy for a brain00:52
KotCzarny:)00:52
LinuxCodehave to write a report until monday ..meh00:53
KotCzarny3 days00:53
KotCzarnylots of time00:53
KotCzarny;)00:53
LinuxCodeI cant wait until Uni is over...00:53
LinuxCodeI want to rejoin the real world00:53
LinuxCodesome of the stuff I handed in for Uni....00:54
LinuxCodewould have gotten me the sack00:54
LinuxCodein real life00:54
LinuxCodelol00:54
LinuxCodeits so ridiculous haha00:54
||cwyeah, tell me about it00:54
LinuxCodeor worse.... servers would have gotten sploited00:54
KotCzarnyheh..00:54
KotCzarnydeadlines00:55
KotCzarny:)00:55
LinuxCodebut all that counts....is citations...00:55
flyguyis there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a strut to a function00:55
lcukuni is for learning :) enjoy it while you can and take the lessons with you00:55
* LinuxCode shakes head 00:55
LinuxCodelcuk, hehe00:55
LinuxCodelcuk, im quite happy to learn...00:55
flyguyis there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a struct to a function?00:55
LinuxCodeim not happy to theorize about it00:55
flyguyi suck at spelling today00:55
LinuxCodeand write long meaningless reports00:55
LinuxCodeid rather just do "it"00:56
lcukarray of char arrays? you mean a pointer to a char pointer? or actual mrmory00:56
flyguypointer00:56
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lcukthen cant you just myfunc(char **strings)00:56
flyguyarray, sorry00:57
LinuxCodepointer to a pointer ..fun00:57
KotCzarny:)00:57
LinuxCodelol00:57
KotCzarnypointers are fun00:57
flyguyhate pointers00:57
lcukwhile(one=*strings++){ ... }00:57
LinuxCodethats where real pleasure starts00:57
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KotCzarnyoperations on pointers are fun too00:57
KotCzarny;)00:57
lcukflyguy, for most purposes you dont need to send the entire data on the stack00:58
flyguyI somehow have to get a list of words to my function and be able to modify the list, prefer using a vector but I wen to hell and back trying to get that to work00:59
lcukthis is prob where your code is failing and blowing up.  mixing constant data (strings in "source") and modifying it blows you up01:00
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flyguylcuk: modifing it as in popping the to off a vector, not the actual contents01:00
LinuxCodeflyguy, simplicity = securer code01:01
flyguythought of using an array with a variable to keep track of index01:01
lcukyou're talking c++ now arent u01:01
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flyguyno, this is part of my flash card program for my kid01:01
lcukthat you pasted earlier01:01
flyguyI'm actually a metrologist by trade (science of weights and measure not weather)01:01
flyguylcuk, yes01:02
GeneralAntillesIsn't there already a flash card program available?01:02
flyguygraduated from college a couple years ago01:02
lcukyes, and theres also a book reader ;)01:02
LinuxCodeindeed01:02
GeneralAntillesMeh, not the same situation, lcuk.01:02
LinuxCodegot both installed01:02
flyguyGeneral: trying to make one so I can control background color01:03
KotCzarnyfrlyguy: there is already flashcards app01:03
KotCzarnyyou aren't satisfied with it?01:03
lcukyes it is, the guy wants to write a program for his kid.  commendable, good way to learn is to have something you are interested in01:03
LinuxCodeagreed01:03
KotCzarny:)01:03
flyguymy kid is in Kindegarden, needs to have different background based on type of card01:03
KotCzarnyif one have time for it.. :)01:03
flyguyphonics or other01:04
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KotCzarny*has01:04
LinuxCodeand if it potentially benefits the community01:04
LinuxCodeeven better01:04
LinuxCode;-}01:04
KotCzarnyi think the most important factor is time01:04
KotCzarny:)01:04
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KotCzarnydarn, it's hot today.. 27C01:05
KotCzarny:/01:05
flyguytime is not a factor for me, I have two kids behind this one so I would like to make a solid app that can be extended as needed01:05
lcuk:O holy mother of01:05
flyguyanyone from england here?01:05
LinuxCodeKotCzarny, texas ?01:05
KotCzarnynope01:05
* lcuk puts his hand up01:05
LinuxCodeflyguy, yep01:05
KotCzarnynyc area01:05
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flyguywhat the weather like, i might be moving to england01:05
* LinuxCode also lifts his hand up01:05
LinuxCode8C01:06
lcukdont move to england just yet, i think germany farted01:06
LinuxCodecloudy01:06
flyguythat frickin cold01:06
LinuxCodelcuk, loooool01:06
flyguyit was 86 today01:06
LinuxCodeyou got hit with the bad smells huh ?01:06
flyguynew mexico01:06
LinuxCoderofl01:06
* LinuxCode points and laughs01:06
lcuknope, but i used to live downwind from a farm so i sympathise01:06
LinuxCodeapparently they will linger for a fe days too01:06
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LinuxCodefew*01:06
LinuxCodehaha k01:06
KotCzarnyeheheh01:07
* KotCzarny lived in the vicinity milk processing factory01:07
flyguyLinuxCode: how are americans treated in england01:07
KotCzarny*of01:07
KotCzarnyat night they were venting ;)01:07
LinuxCodeflyguy, we are genereally polite mate01:07
lcukflyguy, they are treated the same as anyone else :) have a good attitude and you are treated well01:07
LinuxCodeI think we have got more a problem with your Government01:07
LinuxCodebut then 50%+ of Americans seem to have that issue too...01:08
LinuxCode;-p01:08
LinuxCodeif not more01:08
* lcuk stays out of politics01:08
LinuxCodelcuk, hehe01:08
flyguythats what Im afraid of might work for the mililtary base over there01:08
KotCzarnybut politics doesn't stay out of lcuk01:08
KotCzarny;)01:08
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LinuxCodeflyguy, tell me where...I will send a bomb01:08
LinuxCoderofl01:08
lcukindeed kot01:09
LinuxCodejust kidding!01:09
KotCzarnylinuxterrorits!01:09
KotCzarnyerm. linuxterrorist01:09
KotCzarny:)01:09
flyguylet our powers unite01:09
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LinuxCodeI will send somebody in a Penguin costume01:09
LinuxCodeto sit on you01:09
LinuxCodelolol01:09
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LinuxCode;-D01:09
LinuxCodethink I might cover deadlocks for this report01:10
lcukflyguy: Somebody set up us the bomb.01:10
KotCzarnypeguins stucked in tubes01:10
LinuxCodeany of you wouldnt recall a book by chance that would discuss opensource vs closed source ?01:10
KotCzarny*penguins01:11
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lcukLinuxCode: All your base are belong to us.01:11
LinuxCodeIm sure I had/knew of one before01:11
LinuxCodelcuk, you can have my bass mate01:11
flyguywhat exactly pisses everyone off about american politics, just the war?01:11
LinuxCodeand my drum01:11
LinuxCodedrum & bass01:11
* lcuk prefers ambient01:11
KotCzarnybass is a kind of fish01:11
lcukand manc tunes01:11
LinuxCodeflyguy, I dont like being lied at01:11
KotCzarnytuna tune01:12
LinuxCodespecially if one asylum seeker makes the shit up01:12
LinuxCodeand everyone sees that as proper intelligence01:12
LinuxCodebecause it suits their need01:12
KotCzarnylinuxcode: that's what ALL politics do01:12
KotCzarnysooner or later01:12
flyguyfeel the same way about iraq, how did afghanastan play over there?01:12
* LinuxCode blames the BND (German intelligence)01:12
lcukim off01:13
flyguyCheney didn't do us any favors either01:13
LinuxCodewell...and Im sure everyone knew that the source was shit01:13
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LinuxCodelcuk, nn mate01:13
LinuxCodetoo late01:13
flyguywho know what collin powell would have said to the U.N. if Cheney kept his fat ass out of military affairs01:14
LinuxCodelets see if there are udates for the N81001:14
flyguyV.P. does not equal Vice Command in Cheif01:14
LinuxCodeit was all orchestrated01:14
LinuxCodeold revenge01:14
flyguyCheney had direct inputs on powell's speach to the u.n.01:15
LinuxCodenon of them even write their own speeches01:15
LinuxCodelol01:15
flyguywho do you like in '0801:15
derfWhen did this become #politics?01:16
flyguyyes, but most have speach writers not VPs01:16
LinuxCodeflyguy, nobody01:16
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LinuxCodeanyway I have to read about deadlocks01:16
LinuxCodeand find citations01:16
flyguydeadlocks in general or just c++01:16
LinuxCodedeadlocks01:17
LinuxCodeas in Operating System deadlocks01:17
flyguyThe complete reference C# 2.0 covers deadlocks in detail, more so than any other book I've read01:18
flyguyincludes discussion of semaphores and mutexs as well01:19
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LinuxCodehey Tama^201:24
LinuxCodeflyguy, dont need that01:25
LinuxCodethanks for the info though01:25
Tama^2Hi LinuxCode01:25
LinuxCode;-}01:25
LinuxCodeTama^2, how ya been ?01:25
LinuxCodegod..it must be a month or so I havent been here01:25
LinuxCodeshocking01:25
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Tama^2ahah, I'm fine thanks01:26
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Tama^2I've been in lurk mode lately as I am very busy01:27
LinuxCodeI can second that01:27
Tama^2what have you been up to?01:27
LinuxCodedont ask! finla year project report was due in wednesday01:27
LinuxCodefinal*01:27
LinuxCodewhat a nightmare01:28
LinuxCode70 fricking pages!01:28
lopzre01:29
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flyguyis it ok to use g_slice_new with a vector01:37
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KotCzarnyprobably not01:38
KotCzarny:)01:38
flyguyis there an alternative01:38
KotCzarnymalloc?01:38
flyguyno gtk specific alternative then01:38
KotCzarnydon't quote me though01:38
KotCzarnyi haven't played with gtk much01:38
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flyguywhat do use with maemo01:39
KotCzarnypygtk as for now and xlib01:39
flyguyin your opinion would it be hard to switch to pygtk from c++/gtk01:40
KotCzarnyhmm01:40
KotCzarnynope01:40
KotCzarnyit mimics most of the gtk calls01:40
KotCzarnyonly trouble you will have with python01:40
KotCzarnybut it's fairly easy to learn01:40
flyguydo you know of a good starting place with python01:40
KotCzarnyjust google python tutorial01:41
KotCzarny:)01:41
KotCzarnymy usual way in learning new things01:41
flyguythanks, i'll give it a try01:42
KotCzarnyhttp://docs.python.org/tut/01:42
KotCzarnythis one for python01:42
KotCzarnyhttp://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html01:43
KotCzarnythis one for maemo specific calls in python01:43
KotCzarnyhttp://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html01:43
KotCzarnyand this one for pygtk01:43
KotCzarny:)01:43
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flyguythank you for the resources01:44
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* Mousey huggles canola201:44
* Mousey wishes last.fm would login tho without the criptyc system time error that the thread i found about it doesn't fix01:44
GeneralAntillesThat magically disappeared for me.01:45
Mouseyapt-get install canola*01:50
Mousey^_^01:50
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gribouillehi again02:26
gribouillesomeon alive here ?02:27
gribouilles/someon/someone02:27
GeneralAntillesNo, only the dead.02:27
GeneralAntillesBRAAAAAIIIIIIINNSSSSSSS02:27
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LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, hey hey!02:28
* LinuxCode chucks a nudge across the channel02:28
gribouilledoes someone use an sd card as virtual memory ?02:28
* GeneralAntilles zombie-shambles in LinuxCode's direction.02:28
LinuxCodelool02:28
GeneralAntillesMost people, gribouille.02:28
* LinuxCode fears02:28
GeneralAntillesDefinitely recommended.02:28
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, does it boost the tablet ?02:28
GeneralAntillesOnly in high-memory usage situations.02:29
GeneralAntillesMostly it just prevents you from hitting an out-of-memory situation and having applications crash02:29
gribouilleare sd card as fast as ram ?02:29
LinuxCodegod I hate that02:29
KotCzarnylol02:29
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GeneralAntillesIt does make Wesnoth playable.02:29
LinuxCodehappened to me once02:29
KotCzarnygrib: think of it as windows page file02:29
GeneralAntillesNot even in the same league, gribouille.02:29
l7_how playable is wesnoth?02:30
GeneralAntillesVery02:30
gribouilleis the sd card only used as swap space ?02:30
GeneralAntillesJust a TOUCH slow, and not having hot keys is kinda irritating02:30
KotCzarnylol02:30
KotCzarnygrib: treat sd card as hard drive02:30
KotCzarnyroughly02:30
GeneralAntillesbut very playable all the same.02:31
gribouillehow mutch memory should be affected to the virtual memory ?02:31
GeneralAntilles12802:31
KotCzarnyas much as you can02:31
KotCzarny:)02:31
KotCzarnynot bigger than 2x of os mem though02:32
gribouilleKotCzarny, more than the total ram ?02:32
KotCzarnygrib: nokia's applet will let you use 128 max i think02:32
LinuxCodeyeh02:32
LinuxCodeI think so too02:32
KotCzarnybut you can always do dd, mkswap and swapon from terminal02:33
KotCzarny;)02:33
gribouillewhat is the total capacity of your sd cards ?02:33
KotCzarnybut it's for linux versed people02:33
KotCzarnygrib: 4 and 8gb02:33
KotCzarnyi use 4gb one as my cloned os02:33
KotCzarny(no big deal if it dies in the process)02:34
KotCzarny:)02:34
gribouilleKotCzarny, why clone the OS ?02:34
KotCzarnyfor more system disk space02:34
KotCzarnythat's one reason02:34
LinuxCodedevelopment02:34
KotCzarnyto use internal flash as a backup and a quick source of working os that's the second02:35
gribouilleKotCzarny, do you boot from an flash card ?02:35
KotCzarnyie. if i break something badly with app manager i can simply clone it again from internal flash02:35
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KotCzarnygrib: yes02:35
KotCzarny'a'02:35
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gribouilleand do you mount a flash card on /home/user or do you use the built-in flash ?02:38
KotCzarny?02:38
KotCzarnyi don't use built-in flash02:38
gribouilleKotCzarny, not at all ?02:38
KotCzarnyother that space for nolo/kernel/initfs02:38
KotCzarnybut it's read only all the time and not used after boot02:39
gribouilleKotCzarny, and your homr dir ?02:39
gribouillehome02:39
KotCzarnyon the same volume as /02:39
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gribouilleKotCzarny, so you put only /boot in ths system flash ?02:40
KotCzarnythere's no boot02:41
KotCzarnyi mean it's not visible as fs by default02:41
gribouillewhich dir contains the kernel ?02:41
KotCzarnythey are on mtdblock device02:41
KotCzarnyraw02:41
termsigKotCzarny: what is yours  credit card number and pin?02:42
KotCzarny?02:42
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KotCzarnytermsig: 3782 3198 8347 288302:43
KotCzarnyand pin is 283102:43
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termsigKotCzarny: gribouille asking to many qyestion..02:43
termsigamex ?02:43
termsig;)02:43
KotCzarnynope02:43
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KotCzarnycapital one02:43
termsigit's not visa it's not mastercard ;)02:43
KotCzarny:)02:44
termsiguk one or usa?02:44
termsig;P02:44
KotCzarnyeu02:44
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termsiggribouille:  u was looking for that software to mount samba share ?02:46
KotCzarny'you were'02:46
gribouilletermsig, not really02:46
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KotCzarnyhttp://www.techamok.com/?pid=439702:47
KotCzarnylol02:47
KotCzarnyie4??02:47
gribouilleI try to ssh into my tablet, but since I have reinstalled the os, the keys have changed, so ssh refuses to connect. how can I bypass this ?02:49
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KotCzarnyread the message02:49
KotCzarny:)02:49
KotCzarnyit tells you what to do02:49
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termsiglol - Paypal said some users were still using Internet Explorer 302:50
KotCzarnyyeah, i believe there are people that think 'hey, it's an old browser, no one hacks something THAT old'02:51
KotCzarnyor just click on the 'internet'02:51
KotCzarny:)02:51
termsigtrue, but it's no problem of ppl more business because i dont think nobody use ie3 still at home.02:52
KotCzarnynot true02:52
KotCzarnyi think there are people that use win3.1102:52
KotCzarnyor dos02:52
KotCzarny:)02:53
termsigu thinking about africa or 3rd countrys?02:53
KotCzarnynope02:53
KotCzarnyand don't use 'u'02:54
KotCzarny:)02:54
KotCzarnyi'm thinking about people that got their pcs in the past and never upgraded them02:54
KotCzarnybecause 'it works'02:55
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termsigbut it's something like 1% and if they have so old pc i dont think so that they using things like pp02:55
KotCzarnynot true02:56
gribouilleI wonder what is the use of /cdrom on the tablet02:56
KotCzarnypaypal is used by online shops, ebay02:56
KotCzarnyso it's not using paypal in general but online shopping/banking02:56
KotCzarnyhi pupnik02:57
termsigbut anaway it's no major problem02:57
KotCzarnyheh02:57
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KotCzarnynot true02:57
KotCzarnythat article is not about ie3/4 but 'unsafe' browsers in general02:58
KotCzarnyi believe it qualifies as every ie version ;)02:58
gribouillewhere is the kernel image ? on the rom ?02:58
KotCzarnygrib: nope, on the flash02:58
gribouilleKotCzarny, in which dir ?02:59
KotCzarnyread what i have written before02:59
KotCzarnyit's not on fs02:59
KotCzarny(fs == filesystem)02:59
KotCzarnyit's written to raw flash02:59
gribouilleKotCzarny, what do you mean with "raw flash" ?03:00
gribouillewithout fs ?03:00
KotCzarnyhow can i put it in another words?03:00
KotCzarnycan someone help him?03:00
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termsignot me ;)03:02
KotCzarnygrib: anyway, answer is: it's not in the fs, you can't change kernel by replacing a file03:02
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termsiggribouille: why u want change something in kernel ?03:03
KotCzarnytermsig: use 'do' and 'are' words03:03
KotCzarny:)03:03
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KotCzarnyand 'to'03:04
termsigKotCzarny: ok, but my english is really bad ;>03:04
KotCzarnyno problem03:04
KotCzarnyas long you wan't it to get better ;)03:04
gribouilletermsig, no, I just want to learn03:04
KotCzarnyerm.03:04
KotCzarny*want03:04
KotCzarny:)03:04
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termsigok i will try ;)03:05
KotCzarnyhi lcuk03:05
lcukhi kot03:05
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KotCzarnyhmm03:05
KotCzarnybreakfast time, bbl03:05
termsiggribouille: check that http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wizard-mounter/03:06
lcukcatch ya tomrrow prob kot03:06
termsigKotCzarny: breakfast?03:06
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LinuxCodei think lcuk realized theres rubbish on tv03:13
LinuxCode;-}03:13
lcukno been hacking at my code03:15
lcukbeen trying to work out how to split up a whole range of modules but still have them as a closely coupled interrelated set..03:16
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LinuxCode;-]03:21
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smackpotatoanyone actually get mount wizard working03:37
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gribouilleis it possible to watch wmv videos on the tablet ?03:40
smackpotatoi think not encripted ones03:41
smackpotatobloomberg.com doesnt work03:41
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gribouillethe product pages states it can display WMV, but it seem overstated03:46
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gribouillethere are some videos I can see on ubuntu, but not on my tablet03:59
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smackpotatohave you tied orb04:00
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gribouilleno, what is it ?04:01
gribouillesmackpotato, where can I find it ?04:02
smackpotatoit recasts in flash from a windows desktop04:02
smackpotatoorb.com04:02
gribouilleI thought it was an app04:03
smackpotatono not a maemo app04:03
gribouilleis it free ?04:03
smackpotatoyou can view all yor desktop vedeos though04:03
smackpotatovideos04:04
rkeeneHas anyone here used 0xFFFF's identify feature on a "config" partition ?  Is it supposed to be able to identify that ?04:04
gribouillesmackpotato, how does it work ?04:04
smackpotatoversion 2 doesent work for me but version1 was great04:04
smackpotatoyour destop is connected to there server, you have a webpage where you can view what is rebroadcast04:06
smackpotatothere is an open source project that does the same but i forget its name04:07
gribouillesmackpotato, so I have to install orb on my wondows box ?04:07
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smackpotatoya thats an idea i took it off mine though it uses a lot of cycles04:10
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gribouillesmackpotato, is it possible to use orb without installing it ?04:12
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smackpotatono04:14
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kwanHi I recompiled glib to latest and I get the following error ImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open04:53
kwanany ideas how to resolve this?04:53
kwan  File "debian/python2.5-gtk2/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 48, in <module>04:54
kwanImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open04:54
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johnxit looks like their might be changes to glib for the device that haven't made their way upstream?04:59
johnxor maybe just an API change between the versions of glib you used?04:59
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kwanso i used glib 2.16 and copied over the libgobject libgtk libgthread libglib libraries to the n810 from maemo sdk05:10
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SHADOW6Y cant i get last fm for canola player.... Anyone els haveing this problem05:37
SHADOW6Anyone?05:37
johnxyou can't install it?05:40
rkeeneSnoozefest.05:40
johnxgive us an error message...or something. No one can help you if you just say "I can't get it"05:41
NaviLast.fm has been down.05:43
NaviPower outages05:43
NaviSo it won't work 'cuz it isn't up :P05:44
KotCzarnyheh05:45
KotCzarnyhehehe05:45
KotCzarnynow, that's a bug!05:46
KotCzarny'last fm doesn't work because last fm server is down'05:46
johnxbug #1337: "Canola can't connect to servers that aren't on."05:46
KotCzarnyresolve: 'kill the user'05:47
KotCzarnyproblem solved.05:47
KotCzarny:)05:47
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smackpotatois it common knowledge that ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit06:02
KotCzarnyyup06:03
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KotCzarnymine came with plastic 'antenna'06:03
KotCzarnyat least connector is available on it :)06:03
briand306:06
WormFoodCan someone point me to an unzip package for os2008? (command line is fine, i don't need a gui)06:13
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WormFoodnever mind, I found it...it was in my list of packages06:27
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flavioribhi people, how can i test my maemo apps without download more than 1gb?07:14
pupnik_buy a tablet07:14
KotCzarny:>07:14
flavioribhuahuauhahuahuahua07:14
KotCzarnymaybe if you had another armel-hildon device07:15
KotCzarny:)07:15
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ektTest.07:25
KotCzarnyirc: command not found: Test.07:25
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ektDo you know whete to find libart07:26
KotCzarnydebian.org ?07:26
KotCzarnyin armel ports07:26
ektDanke07:27
ektarm = armel?07:32
KotCzarnyno07:32
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Jsn0327I am currently trying to partition my internal 2 gig memory card on the n810 using sfdisk07:39
Jsn0327I unmounted mmc2, remounted it under sfdisk and typed /dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,607:40
Jsn0327i get an error saying "unrecgonized input: 1,15000,6"07:40
Jsn0327does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?07:40
KotCzarny'remounted undef sfdisk' ?07:41
KotCzarny*under07:41
Jsn0327yeah sfdisk /dev/mmcblk007:41
KotCzarnyi'm just arguing with terminology07:41
KotCzarny:)07:41
KotCzarnyif you want easier task just connect it via usb to pc and run partitioning tool on pc07:42
KotCzarnysfdisk is hardcore07:42
KotCzarny;)07:42
Jsn0327well i'm following instructions and i'm only typing what is in the instructions.  I didn't think that i could mess it up that way07:42
KotCzarnyapparently you could07:43
KotCzarny:>07:43
KotCzarnybecause it's not working, right?07:43
KotCzarny:)07:43
Jsn0327does anyone have anything to say that isn't obvious?07:44
KotCzarny[cricket's chirping]07:44
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ektthe armel libart on debian it incompatible07:48
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KotCzarnyhmm07:48
KotCzarnyekt: then gronmayer.com/it/07:48
KotCzarnyor compile it yourself07:48
ekti'm pretty sucky at it. And many other tjings07:49
ektlike typing07:49
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Jsn0327is a Linux_83 partition the same thing as a ext 3 partition?07:52
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KotCzarnyyes07:52
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Italodancewhat's boring11:03
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JaffaMorning, all11:42
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WormFoodgood afternoon Jaffa11:45
WormFoodits almost 5pm here :P11:46
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trickiehttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html13:30
trickieinteresting13:30
qwerty12Yeah, I saw the thread on ITT. Be interesting for me actually as I use Ubuntu as main distro.13:31
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure if I "get" it13:31
GeneralAntillesIs it just another distro's arm port?13:31
qwerty12I'm not sure on what will happen to Maemo.13:32
AStormWhat it deserves13:32
AStormit's junk, really13:32
AStormhack on hack on hack13:32
AStormthe only nice thing in it is UI13:32
GeneralAntillesThe important parts of maemo are already open and available.13:32
AStormlike, mce?13:33
qwerty12AStorm, in that case, Ubuntu Mobile Edition is your thing :P13:33
GeneralAntillesUbuntu Mobile is still junk at this point.13:33
AStormyup13:33
qwerty12True but it has Maemo ui13:33
AStormbut it's still more hacky13:33
GeneralAntillesReally, AStorm, whatever you may have against maemo and ITOS, there's nothing better on the playing field at the moment.13:33
AStormGeneralAntilles: I know :(13:34
AStormWe need gcc 4.3 packaged for ARM13:34
keesjIn setting up a native build environment, Mojo went to the extent of assembling its own single-board computer around an ARM-based Intel processor.13:34
AStormplus older libstdc++13:34
GeneralAntillesIt's still a new product niche.13:34
keesj?13:34
GeneralAntillesThings'll pick up when we get more manpower behind it.13:34
AStormah, right13:35
keesjI did not know that intel also did arm13:35
AStormkeesj: sure hey do, XScale13:35
GeneralAntillesThey've mostly dropped it these days, though.13:35
GeneralAntillesUnfortunately.13:35
AStormmhm13:35
GeneralAntillesx86 is the mobile field is straight-up shit.13:35
AStormare too busy pushing multi-core and ULV x8613:36
GeneralAntillesShoehorning x86 into something it most certainly wasn't designed for is stupid.13:36
GeneralAntillesBetter to put your energy into improving something that's already better. :\13:36
AStormit wasn't designed for anything13:36
AStormx86 is hacky too13:36
GeneralAntillesBut, meh, Intel wasn't a particularly important ARM player anyway.13:36
AStormyup13:37
GeneralAntillesx86 really doesn't pull much advantage in an open source environment anyway.13:39
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trickiei could see ubuntu mobile converging more with maemo13:39
trickiewould provide more manpower and infrastructure13:39
AStormhehe13:39
GeneralAntillesThey're already fairly close.13:39
AStormWe want a real input method13:39
AStorme.g. AccessX13:39
trickiewell even more, poosibly on the nokia/canonical level also13:40
GeneralAntillesReally, the entire mobile and embedded space is disturbingly fragmented.13:40
AStormyup13:40
trickieim just making stuff up though13:40
GeneralAntillesIt's really hurting users.13:40
AStormUbuntu and shuttleworth might unify it13:40
trickiei mean ubuntu will ship proprietary stuff it it needs to13:40
trickieso will nokia13:40
AStormif they cooperate with Nokia13:40
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GeneralAntillesI don't particularly care what, but we need some sort of standard.13:41
AStormtrickie: not with Maemo - it's just for one CPU13:41
AStormGeneralAntilles: ARM is the standard13:41
AStormthe problems are with peripherials13:41
GeneralAntillesSoftware and library side.13:41
AStormlike PowerVR chip13:41
AStormand wifi13:41
AStormSoftware is close13:42
AStormwe have .deb here13:43
trickieAStorm: i know, but if that architecture/sub-architecture is also supported by ubuntu mobile, then the gains for maemo users could be big13:43
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AStormyup13:43
GeneralAntillesHuh, MontaVista has a version out for OMAP343013:43
AStormas Maemo is similar to Ubuntu13:43
trickieand of course ubuntu mobile would get quite a boost of marketing and manpower13:43
AStormGeneralAntilles: how expensive?13:44
AStormand, do they have a gfx driver and wifi right?13:44
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9696858938.html13:44
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GeneralAntillesI like this line: The OMAP3430 clocks its core up to 800MHz.13:44
trickieGeneralAntilles: mamona is also starting to support it13:45
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AStormI want a new kernel, dammit13:45
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AStormOIf I get the drivers working (with wireless extensions), only sky will be the limit13:46
AStormah, and ARM cross compiler, but that I already have13:47
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Garyanyone know any good sites for themes :p13:48
GeneralAntillesmaemo.org/downloads13:49
qwerty12There's only about 3 themes. Not much.13:49
GeneralAntillesEcho is still the best13:49
GeneralAntillesUnless you're really into Star Trek13:49
GaryI saw a funny star trek stylee theme, but it was a bit ott13:49
GeneralAntillesIn which case, LCARS is the way to go. :P13:50
qwerty12Eww, Star Trek :O13:50
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* GeneralAntilles goes Veruca Sault for a bit over the N900.13:52
qwerty12I'm still undecided over a Pandora or N900. Then again commercial games are my thing so I'll sell my PSP, get a PSP Slim and an N900.13:53
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I'm still convinced reusing Pandora code on the N900 is gonna be the way to go.13:54
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Probably, but is Pandora stuff guaranteed to run on the N900? I know the processor will be same but library differences, buttons etc may be a problem. But I prefer commercial games so Pandora compatibility isn't a high priority for me.13:56
GeneralAntillesIt'll probably involve some porting13:56
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GeneralAntillesbut the base architecture is gonna be basically identical13:56
GeneralAntillesSo porting should be fairly straightforward.13:56
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qwerty12Ah, I guess having more games isn't a bad thing :). Of course, I may end up selling my N800 and PSP and getting an N900 and a Pandora.13:57
qwerty12I may also be able to sell an broken Pocket PC for $30 :p13:58
trickien900?13:59
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qwerty12Let GeneralAntilles fill you in :p13:59
qwerty12I don't know much anyway.13:59
GeneralAntillesThere's no hard data at this point.14:00
GeneralAntillesBut we can pretty much assume it'll be using the OMAP343014:00
Garylol, just installed LCARS to see what it was like, OMG, hehehe14:02
Garyit's worth it for the giggles14:02
* Cptnodegard decided to get creative14:03
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GeneralAntillesIt's more or less perfect.14:03
Cptnodegardhttp://captain-odegard.com/a650is/flowersv1.jpg14:03
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RST38hAll right, fMSX, Speccy, and VGBA are now available from Extras repository.14:12
RST38h(thanks, XFade =))14:12
GeneralAntillesWoo14:13
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WormFoodnice...I take my N800 with me to work today, so I can play with garnet VM on the bus, and forget my stylus at home...good thing I had a toothpick with me to use instead ;)14:50
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Cptnodegarduse the stylus hodler14:55
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komputikohi15:31
komputikoanyone can helps me?15:31
komputikoi tried to install kde on my n80015:32
komputikobut when i tried to install kde-358.deb, app admin crashed15:32
komputikoand now it only says there is no enough memory15:32
komputikoand the app list is empty!15:32
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GeneralAntillesDid you try installing to the internal flash?15:37
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komputikoyes15:59
komputikommc2 is internal flash15:59
komputikoand i tried to install there15:59
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komputikoplease help me :(16:00
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cyberholichello everyone, tzmee again..... :)16:19
cyberholicanyone of you been playing with the google API for a while?16:19
cyberholicnot one of you? *lol*16:20
cyberholicOk, then i have a different question: does anyone of you know of some kind of "open contacts" project that i can join?16:21
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komputikoanyone installed kde succesfully?16:42
komputiko:-\16:44
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GeneralAntillesLots of people16:47
GeneralAntillesHave you tried the KDE forum on ITT?16:47
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MangoFusionkde? bah, you should install gnome instead16:51
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mbufwhat is wrong with this code? http://rafb.net/p/ICUKod69.html16:59
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pH5mbuf: it just hangs in while(1) instead of starting the gtk/glib main loop17:06
mbufpH5, i don't get any output from location_changed17:06
mbufpH5, ohh! i need to start gtk_main()17:06
pH5mbuf: yes :)17:06
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gribouillehi17:10
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mbufpH5, i also forgot to do gtk_init (&argc, &argv);17:12
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smackpotatois it common knowlage ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit17:17
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WormFoodcounterfeit?17:21
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gribouillehow can I create partitions on an sd card ?17:22
GeneralAntillesYes, smackpotato, the sizes go in reverse. :P17:23
GeneralAntillesrm_you_, you about?17:23
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smackpotatothe ad@rees was 11.11.11.1117:25
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komputikoanyone installed succesfully kde on a n800?17:26
gribouillekomputiko, good question17:27
komputiko:P17:28
gribouilleif I use an internal sd card for virtual memory, will I lose the files in that card ?17:28
komputikonop17:28
GeneralAntillesIt just eats up 128MB of space17:28
GeneralAntillesIt's a little loopback image17:28
komputikoonly uses 128 MB17:28
komputikoit's a "virtual file"17:28
komputikoon the SD card17:29
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gribouilleapt-get install diff : E: Couldn't find package diff17:44
gribouillewhere can I find diff ?17:45
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komputikosee in maemo.org17:48
komputikofor a repository17:48
gribouillethe shell is really ugly17:49
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komputikoxD17:49
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GeneralAntillesWhen was OS2008 released?17:58
GeneralAntillesNovember 19th or something.17:58
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MangoFusionanyone know of any good virtual midi keyboard for a NIT?18:04
komputikoanyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error18:04
gribouillecan someone tell me how to put an internal memory card ?18:05
freelikegnuMangoFusion: I swa a vitual kb but it seemed to support only a single octave18:07
freelikegnuand I dont think NIT can do multitouch for chords18:08
freelikegnua bluetooth musical kb would be nice :D18:08
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gribouillecan someone tell me how to insert an internal memory card in the N800 please ?18:09
GeneralAntillesPut it in?18:09
qwerty12Hehe, opening the battery cover?18:09
GeneralAntillesFace the pins towards the device, slide back the latch, slide in the card and hold it in, then slide out the latch.18:10
qwerty12Flick up the switch and push in a memory card, click down the switch with the card inserted and close the battery cover.18:10
MangoFusioni've kindof got "learn how to play a musical instrument" way down on my todo list and was contemplating whether or not i could make some passable solution with my n80018:11
MangoFusionthough then again i reckon the screen would be too small and clumsy. probably better getting a real keyboard ;)18:11
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Cptnodegardfreelikegnu hack this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3705 :P18:12
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what latch ?18:12
qwerty12You are joking?18:12
GeneralAntillesThe little metal tab that holds the card in.18:12
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, it's very hard to move18:13
MangoFusionlooked at those fold-ups, look a bit dodgy to me ;)18:13
GeneralAntillesIt's designed not to come undone while the device is in use.18:13
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freelikegnuCptnodegard: of course you can always use a QWERTY bt kb :D18:14
gribouilleok thanks. it is not written in the manual18:14
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lopzhola18:15
qwerty12pupnik, you around?18:16
gribouilleit says there is no internal memory card. isn't mmc2 the internal memory card ?18:17
qwerty12Yes, it is.18:18
gribouilleso how can it say there is no internal mmc card while it has mountd it on /media/mmc2 ?18:19
qwerty12I recently "killed" off my internal slot, but I kept taking out the battery and it worked fine. Is the card you put in there working fine? Formatted with FAT (it can be with ext2 but we will say FAT for simplicity at this moment)?18:19
gribouilleqwerty12, of course18:20
GeneralAntillesSo, uh, can I talk anybody into expanding my new MicroB article?18:21
qwerty12As long as it isn't meanwhile :P18:21
GeneralAntilles<_<18:21
pupnikback qwerty1218:22
qwerty12pupnik, skeen. I got those modules I need to send.18:23
komputikoanyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error??18:23
pupnikthanks!  i ordered the usb adapter yesterday18:23
gribouilleok, my problem seems to be soved :-)18:24
gribouillesolved18:24
pupnikqwerty12: downloadable?18:24
qwerty12Ah, which webhost?18:24
pupnikor emailable?18:24
qwerty12I don't mind either way, send me your email over PM or give me a webhost to upload to.18:24
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qwerty12Ah skeen, I'll rapidshare it then seeing as you are in Germany.18:26
qwerty12pupnik, http://rapidshare.com/files/108749473/rtl8187_linux_26.1010.0622.2006.tar.gz.html18:26
pupniktyty18:26
qwerty12I managed to insmod the modules fine with the script Realtek provided. dmesg showed the output was fine.18:27
komputikoplease, help me :(18:27
pupnikkomputiko: i have not used kde.  go to internettablettalk.com and search for 'kde'18:27
qwerty12Some notes though, I dont have the wifi adapter to test on :P, I compiled against a clean Nokia kernel so it should be fine and the Makefile wanted a EHDC (something like that) enabled, when I enabled it in kernel, it would always disable so I removed that EHDC line from the Makefile and it compiled :)18:28
komputikoyeahm i tried it, but the only reply founded for my problem is that the files downloaded are not ok, but that isn't18:28
komputiko!_!18:28
qwerty12komputiko, what exactly is your error message?18:29
komputikowhen i tried to install local-mm2.deb on a 2gb sd card18:29
komputikoit says "impossible to install" when finish18:29
pupnikcould it be corrupt file?  i can download local-mm2.deb and give md5sum of it18:29
komputikommm ok18:30
qwerty12Hmm, go to tools, log and see what it says there.18:30
pupnikyes listen to qwerty1218:30
gribouilledoes maemo-mapper work fine for you ?18:30
pupnikit is a pita for me to select region to download18:30
pupnikand it requires i have gps lock *and* internet connection during setup18:31
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pupnikwhich means standing out on the street for me18:31
komputiko"/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block dispositive (translation by me...)"18:31
gribouillepupnik, does it sometimes hang ?18:31
pupnikgribouille: downloading the map data?18:31
pupnikor when18:31
GeneralAntillesgribouille, did you turn on auto-downloading?18:32
pupniki haven't gotten it working yet18:32
gribouillepupnik, I'm trying to insert some POIs18:32
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, of course I do18:32
GeneralAntillespupnik, neither of those things are required.18:32
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komputiko"/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block device (translation by me...)"18:33
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komputikoit says that18:33
komputikoon the log18:33
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what is auto-downloading exactly ?18:33
GeneralAntillesMeans it'll download and cache maps as it needs them.18:33
GeneralAntillesWithout that on, it'll only use cached maps.18:33
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gribouilleGeneralAntilles, is it a bad thing ?18:34
GeneralAntillesNo18:34
GeneralAntillesYou have to have it on to get maps.18:34
GeneralAntillesTurn it off if you're in the car, though. ;)18:34
GeneralAntillespupnik, you only need the internet connection to get maps.18:34
GeneralAntillesNo GPS lock required.18:34
komputikoedu@edu-portatil:~$ md5sum local-mmc2.deb 3d15f70086a1b45aaf53a7f5f8ce4891  local-mmc2.deb18:34
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper would operate 100% fine if it never saw a GPS.18:34
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what's wrong with the gps ?18:35
GeneralAntillesNothing18:35
josehello18:36
GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB18:36
joseI started my first project on garage18:37
komputikohola jose18:37
joseI'm excited! :-)18:37
josehola komputiko, nos conocemos? (el mundo es tan pequenyo... :-)18:37
komputikoque yo sepa no :P18:38
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Nice article :), Maybe you could add a section on Plugins and extensions you can add? I'd do it but my English on the web isn't great (despite being born in England and not speaking any other lang :P)18:38
GeneralAntillesYeah18:38
GeneralAntillesI'm taking a break. :P18:38
gribouillewhy have the basic commands been stripped down ?18:38
GeneralAntillesBecause GNUtils is big and bloaty.18:38
gribouillecan I read the article ?18:38
GeneralAntillesTakes RAM and storage.18:38
josehttp://garage.maemo.org/projects/wiicontrol18:39
joseit can be of your interest if you own a wiimote, and you have python 2.5 installed in your NIT18:39
qwerty12jose, are you jldiaz on ITT? :)18:39
Navigah, annoying broken certificate18:39
joseI am, qwerty12 :-)18:40
NaviEw18:40
Naviqwerty12 is annoying18:40
qwerty12Aww, why? :P18:40
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, if you want to find all mentionings of MicroB/Firefox-based/Gecko-based browser in 770, N800, N810, and Maemo for me and link to the article that'd be excellent.18:40
gribouilleis it possible to use the tablet as remote control ?18:40
Naviqwerty12, just kidding :)18:40
joseI forgot to change my default irc nickname...18:40
GeneralAntillesgribouille, short answer: yes long answer: for what?18:40
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jldiazah, better now18:40
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, to control a computer18:40
pupnikGeneralAntilles: um.  maybe i was wrong about needing a lock.18:41
GeneralAntillesYou were, pupnik. :P18:41
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, I could try, I'm not doing much else ATM. but i'm not versed on Wikipedia, so I'll send anything I find to you :).18:41
GeneralAntillesgribouille, what sort of computer?18:41
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, here's a nice screenshot on plugins, http://i26.tinypic.com/3166aab.png :P18:41
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, think of it as an opportunity. ;)18:41
qwerty12Navi, :)18:41
komputikoi think that install kde is impossible18:41
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gribouilleGeneralAntilles, a kind of media cente18:42
gribouiller18:42
komputikoits everythink a joke18:42
komputikofrom ITT18:42
jldiazgribouille, afaik, the NIT does not have any infrared emisor18:42
GeneralAntilleskomputiko, there are a ton of people that use it just fine.18:42
komputikoi know GeneralAntilles18:42
komputikobut i can't get it18:42
komputiko:(18:42
gribouilleI already have an ATI remote wonder II, but it's quite basic18:42
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GeneralAntillesgribouille, vnc, remote desktop, ssh, mpd/mmpc, mythtv remote and some sort of web interface are all options.18:43
gribouillejldiaz, you can use the wifi network18:43
qwerty12komputiko, if you could set the language to English on your IT and post up the exact wording of the error, I could find which command is causing the problem.18:43
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GeneralAntillesRemote Wonder isn't basic! :D18:43
GeneralAntillesIt's just time consuming to set up. ;)18:43
amrjust got back to using my tablet again18:43
NaviGeneralAntilles, I use it all the time18:43
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, do you have one ?18:43
Navier18:43
GeneralAntillesYessir18:43
pupniki wonder if anyone has made a bluetooth infrared adaptor that you can set in front of a tv18:43
amrany known issues with installing canola2 on a 770?18:43
Navigribouille, I use my N800 as a media remote all the time18:43
RST38hsomebody did18:43
jldiazpupnik I was thinking the same18:43
RST38ha moment18:43
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what apps do you control with it ?18:44
amrNavi: the same Navi from Quakenet?18:44
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Is there a section on wikipedia where you can post suggested edits and get approval by someone else before they make it into the final article?18:44
gribouilleNavi, how do you do that ?18:44
NaviMMPC, mythtv18:44
GeneralAntillesNot that I know of, qwerty12.18:44
RST38hpupnik: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/ir2bt-infrared-to-bluetooth-converter-now-on-sale-ps3-owners-re/18:44
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Ah, thanks. I'll make edits that add stuff rather than edit existing stuff as you can easily remove it then.18:45
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, it keeps a history of all edits18:45
GeneralAntillesso if you just say what you did in each edit, it's easy to revert.18:45
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GeneralAntillesThe maemo articles are pretty much shit right now, so you'd be hard pressed to do anything but make them better. :P18:46
qwerty12Hehe18:46
jldiazRST38h, that works the opposite way18:46
pupnikRST38h: interesting, but it's backwards of the functino i was th18:46
NaviRST38h, looks interesting18:46
Navibut yeah, backwards :(18:47
jldiazMmm... I have a Palm Tungsten T-318:47
jldiazit does have bluetooth and IR18:47
jldiazso it would be possible to .. hmmm18:47
RST38hah18:47
jldiazthe idea is coming to my mind is to have the Palm in front of the TV, receiving the codes from a wiimote via BT, and sending IR commands to the TV18:48
jldiazthis would allow to use the wiimte as an universal IR remote18:49
jldiazand you dont need to point it to the tv :-)18:49
qwerty12W00T, 7 tries later and I have a wikipedia account >.<18:49
komputikoqwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/local.img Input/output error18:50
komputikoqwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/swap.img Input/output error18:50
komputikoqwerty12: tar removing leading '/' from member names18:50
komputikogzip: short write18:50
qwerty12komputiko, that means that your card is corrupting. happens to me all the time. Are you using kernel for faster mmc speed?18:50
komputikommm nop18:50
komputikooriginal kernel18:50
komputikofrom nokia18:50
komputikoi flashed 2 hours ago18:51
qwerty12Hmm, that's odd then. Do you have another card you can try it on?18:51
komputikoyes, and i get the same!18:51
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gribouillemaemo mapper has some problems adding about 35,000 POIs18:54
qwerty12komputiko, do you have linux on computer?18:54
komputikoyes18:55
qwerty12Mount the mmc card by usb and in a terminal, cd to the mount point. Run this and see what it says- dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=262144018:55
qwerty12if it works, tell me and give me 2-5 mins.18:56
komputikook18:56
komputikowait18:56
komputikobecause i remove the local.img file18:57
komputikoi'll create it again18:57
qwerty12you don't need it :)18:57
komputikoah ok18:57
qwerty12that dd command will recreate it18:57
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qwerty12Man, I hope I haven't damaged my N800 because I've been messing around with the memory cards a lot. Here's to hoping it's just a crap 1gb I have.18:58
komputikohum18:58
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komputikoi don't know if i play with the sd cards a lot...18:58
komputikomaybe18:58
komputiko:(18:59
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komputikowhat's the use of "dd"?19:00
Andy80hi all19:00
Andy80does anyne of you use Pluthon plugin for Eclipse?19:00
qwerty12komputiko, it makes the local.img which KDE will be stored in19:00
komputikoah ok19:00
komputikobut 2621440 is the length?19:00
komputikobecause now i am using a 2gb card19:00
gribouilledoes anyone know how I can change the color/image of the POIs of one category ?19:01
qwerty12Yep, taken from the local file itself.19:01
komputikothen i think the file is so big19:01
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komputiko1gb...19:04
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komputikoqwerty12: edu@edu-portatil:/media/disk-2$ dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=2621440 2621440+0 registros de entrada 2621440+0 registros de salida 1342177280 bytes (1,3 GB) copiados, 534,201 s, 2,5 MB/s19:06
komputikoit's done19:06
qwerty12It worked fine?19:06
komputikoyes19:06
komputikonow i think i must do the same with swap.img19:07
qwerty12ok, wait a sec19:07
komputikook19:07
qwerty12dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=26214419:07
qwerty12oh yeah, are you using mmc1 or mmc2?19:07
komputikommc219:07
komputikointernal19:07
qwerty12Ok, I'll edit the mmc2 file.19:07
komputikook19:08
komputikothen: dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=26214419:08
qwerty12Make the swap.img first before my edited mmc219:08
komputikook19:08
komputikoooook19:09
komputikoit's done19:09
komputiko262144+0 registros de entrada 262144+0 registros de salida 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copiados, 39,815 s, 3,4 MB/s19:09
qwerty12You have both swap.img and local.img in root of mmc?19:09
komputikoyes19:09
qwerty12Ok, wait a sec19:10
komputikook19:10
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pupnikqwerty12: did you ever get the module loaded?19:11
qwerty12pupnik, yes, dmesg showed fine output. I used the provided script19:11
pupnikoh i didn't see the script19:12
pupnikinsmod: cannot insert 'r8187.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory19:12
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qwerty12What? I compiled it against standard kernel source but I'm running custom kernel on my N80019:12
qwerty12Damn19:12
qwerty12what does dmesg say?19:12
pupnikhmm i see wlan0up19:13
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pupnikok wlan0up does load modules19:13
qwerty12dmesg should say the rtl module is loaded, if you want to check.19:14
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qwerty12komputiko, http://www.mediafire.com/?giy94vbnp0y19:14
pupnikyeah works!19:14
qwerty12komputiko, Use this local-mmc2 deb19:14
qwerty12pupnik, Great :)19:14
komputikook19:14
komputikoim going19:14
pupnikjust lots of errors, unknown symbols19:14
pupnikbut it is loading19:14
komputikojust put it on the mmc and install, it is?19:15
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qwerty12pupnik, does dmesg say anything about case_copy?19:15
qwerty12komputiko, yes19:15
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pupnikno19:15
qwerty12That's odd then, thats the only extra symbol I have in this kernel I have.19:15
qwerty12But those modules were compiled against the standard nokia provided kernel. Only difference is that I'm running a custom kernel on my N800.19:16
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pupniki have a slightly different kernel too :/19:17
pupnikoprofile krnl19:17
qwerty12Not sure on it then, is the source available for one? (I'm a kernel n00b :P), I could compile those modules against one of those then.19:18
komputikoqwerty12: impossible to install19:18
qwerty12Why :(?19:18
komputikoit says...19:18
pupnikah very nice the symbol errors are gone  - most of them19:19
komputikoit says '/media/mmc2/loca.img is not a special blocks device'19:19
qwerty12Not sure then.19:19
komputikoit says '/media/mmc2/local.img is not a block special device'19:20
komputikoi write you bad19:20
komputikoarf :(19:20
pupnikhttp://pastebin.ca/989671  do you get this qwerty12 ?19:20
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qwerty12pupnik, no19:21
komputikoerrors encountered while processing: local-mmc219:21
qwerty12komputiko, I'm not sure then, sorry.19:21
komputikosubprocess post-installation script retuned error exit status 119:21
komputikook19:21
komputikoty anyway19:21
komputiko:-\19:21
qwerty12pupnik, wait a second. I'll post my dmesg output.19:22
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komputikoqwerty12: i need to install it as root?19:22
qwerty12komputiko, application manager installs stuff as root anyway.19:23
komputikoah19:23
komputikook then19:23
komputikokde 10, komputiko 019:23
komputiko:(19:23
Ziegle1Wher can i find some documentat on  the 2008 directory structure19:23
GeneralAntillesPOSIX19:24
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Ziegle1I open up the gui file manager and see folders like 'audio clips'19:24
Ziegle1Where is that really?19:25
GeneralAntilles /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc19:25
Ziegle1Ahhh.. Hiden folder19:25
Ziegle1Thanks19:25
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qwerty12pupnik, http://pastebin.ca/989680 - my output. I assume you have linux (due to all your ports :P), run the flasher command to boot a kernel (not flash) and see what your output is then.19:27
qwerty12^ boot a standard kernel19:27
pupnikyup ok19:28
pupnikdoes the tgz have your tweaks?19:28
pupniki assume you changed order of the declaractions to make it C90 compatible?19:28
pupnik*source tweaks19:28
qwerty12I just applied a patch which made it .24 compatible and it compiled.19:28
pupnikok19:29
qwerty12I've left the patches in there (one of them didn't apply)19:29
qwerty12In sbox armel target. symlink /lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/ to your kernel source.19:30
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qwerty12I also modified the make file to remove the EHDC dependency.19:30
qwerty12s/lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build19:30
qwerty12http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=r8187 - the page with the original source and the patch.19:31
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pupnikgood deal... excited for next week :)19:33
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qwerty12pupnik, Hehe, is that when it's arriving? :). I'm not, I'm back in school and I haven't done any of the load of homework I got :p19:33
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pupnikon the pc, the alfa with the 9db antenna identified several networks i've never seen before19:36
qwerty12Wow, if it works, I'd be interested in getting one to hackzor my school's crappy wep network. Then I can go on mytube in class.19:37
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pupnikit should be noted that the tx power of the card needs to be lowered with that antenna to stay within legal limits19:38
pupnikin .de19:38
qwerty12Brilliant, if it has illegal tendencies, that's perfect for me :P. I'll buy one to replace this propriarty (spelling) TI crap wifi card I have. BSOD's my windows and kernelpanics my Linux (ndiswrapper :()19:39
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mib_k4wceynmtest19:43
komputikoqwerty12: i found the solution!19:43
mib_k4wceynmOh my god this works.19:43
johnxwebirc on your tablet?19:43
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qwerty12komputiko, Great!19:44
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komputikothe problem is that only runs with english as language19:46
komputikobut now i can't install kde-3.5.8.deb19:46
qwerty12komputiko, what is your error?19:46
komputikothe log only shows repository errors... mmmm19:47
komputikowait19:47
komputikoi'll try again19:47
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komputikoqwerty12: bzip2:I/O or other error, bailing out. Posible reason follows19:48
komputikobzip2: Input/outup error19:48
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komputikoInput file=(stdin) , output file=(stdout)19:49
qwerty12it goes back to the card issue then or something. i/o errors are read / write errors etc19:49
komputiko'/usr/bin/tar: Unexpeted EOF in archive'19:49
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MangoFusionman, i hate it when i make the mistake of trying to remove scratchbox by rm -rf19:57
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MangoFusion*doh*19:57
gribouilleI find the videos on youtube are quite jerky on my tablet19:57
gribouilleis it the same on yours ?19:58
MangoFusionif you view them directly on youtube.com, sure19:58
MangoFusioni usually just use the youtube plugin in canola which is infinitely better19:59
gribouillewhat is canola ?20:00
qwerty12<.<20:00
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qwerty12http://openbossa.indt.org.br/20:00
jldiazgribouille you can also download them with the script youtube-dl, and view them with mplayer20:02
qwerty12jldiaz, mytube does that in a nice interface :)20:03
gribouillejldiaz, how can I get the script ?20:03
jldiazqwerty12, you are right :-)20:03
jldiazhowever, I use the script in my linux box, and then transfer the .swf to my NIT20:03
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gribouillewhat does mytube do ?20:10
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jldiazit uses youtube-dl and mplayer, through a nice gui20:15
jldiazit allows for searches and downloads from youtube20:15
jldiazand then uses mplayer to see the videos20:15
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gribouilleall I get with canola is "Unable to reslvr url"20:19
gribouillebut my connection is working20:19
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komputikoanyone knows why i get an input/output error with my SD cards20:58
komputiko-020:58
komputiko?20:59
NaviCorrupted fs?21:00
komputikoi dont know21:03
komputikoi formated it many times21:03
komputikoand i tried other one21:03
komputikoand gets the same21:03
komputikothe error hangs when trying to install kde21:03
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term-sigread/write mode?21:05
komputikoreading dmesg i think that's the problem21:06
komputikobut i don't active the read only mode21:06
komputikommcb1k0: error 1 sending read/write command21:06
komputikoany ideas?21:07
term-sigok can u open xterm and try write something on that card?21:07
komputikosomething like create a file?21:07
term-sigu trying install kde as root or user?21:07
term-sigype, try touch dupa21:07
term-sig;)21:07
komputikoyes, i tam trying to install kde...21:08
komputikoi will try as root >_<21:08
Italodancehrw ????? still gone?????21:09
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komputikoterm-sig: now i cant remove the kde-mm2 package21:14
komputiko:-\21:14
komputikoi tried find /var -name kde-mmc2* | xargs rm -rf21:14
komputikobut nothing21:14
komputikoany ideas¿21:15
term-sigu use apt-get or what to download package?21:15
term-sigused.21:16
komputikoi download it by a page21:16
komputikoand i tried to unistall it under the app manager21:16
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komputikoi am trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde21:17
komputikobut it fails when install the kde-mmc2 package21:17
komputikoand know, i can't unistall o reinstall it21:17
Jaffare21:17
term-sigkomputiko: try apt-get upgrade and check that u dont have any problems..21:20
komputikook21:20
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gribouillethe python package has been stripped off of all its files. where are they ?21:21
komputikook term-sig, he comes the bzip2: Input/Output error21:22
komputikousr/bin/tar: unexècted EOF in archive21:23
komputiko:(21:23
term-sigkomputiko: can u try tar zxvf that kde.tgz file ?21:26
term-sigmaybe file is corrupted21:26
komputikommm21:26
komputikoi check the size of the file21:26
komputikobut i havent got the md5sum21:27
komputikoanyone have this file? KDE358.tar.bz221:27
term-sigkomputiko: just try untar it on card..21:29
komputikoyes term-sig21:29
komputikobut21:29
kwanDoes anybody know if Maemo OS2008 might be upgraded with glib 2.14 or 2.16 soon?21:29
komputikoits about 300 mb21:29
komputikoi have not enough space xD21:29
komputikoi can try to decompress it on my laptop21:29
komputikowait21:29
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Tu13eshmm21:30
Tu13esI gave my n800 to my gf because I wasn't using it much21:31
Tu13esso, she gave me her old n770 to me21:31
Tu13eswhat to do with it?21:31
komputikoinstall kde, like me21:31
komputikoif you can21:31
komputikoxD21:31
Tu13esheh21:31
GeneralAntillesPretty much the same thing you'd do with the N80021:31
GeneralAntillesExcept slower.21:31
Tu13esI'm trying to figure out some use for it, maybe an alarm clock or something21:31
GeneralAntillesIt's probably the greatest ebook reader on the planet.21:31
Tu13esI've got my iTouch for that :P21:32
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GeneralAntillesiTouch is a pretty mediocre ebook reader.21:32
GeneralAntillesDoesn't have the dpi.21:33
komputikoterm-sig: the file is well extracted21:33
komputiko:(21:33
Tu13esyeah, but I don't do a lot of ebook reading21:33
term-sigkomputiko: can u try use dpkg instead application manager?21:33
GeneralAntillesMedia remote? Couch browser? GPS?21:34
komputikoyeah, i tried it, with the same result21:34
term-sigit's only one thing, they should sell it with some small edge/hdspa modem.21:34
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term-sigkomputiko: dunno what it can be wrong..21:35
komputiko:(21:35
komputikook, ty anyway21:35
Tu13esmm, media remote might be good21:35
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term-sigkomputiko:  try download any other deb and install it in this same way..21:36
komputikoi tried that many times :(21:37
flo_lapre21:37
komputikoi think that something is brong on my n80021:37
komputiko*wront21:37
komputiko*wrong21:38
term-sigthen backup al info and reflash system.21:38
term-sigi had similar problem with kismet21:38
komputikohehe yes, i flashed 4 times today21:38
term-sigand it's still this same problem ?21:39
komputikoyes, the same21:39
komputikoinput output error21:39
term-sign810 or n800 ?21:39
gribouillehas anyone already done X forwarding from another computer ? I tried ssh -X, but with no result21:39
komputikon8021:39
komputikon80021:39
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term-sigu try with diff card? maybe u card it's fucked?21:40
komputikowith 2 cards21:40
thiagossDoes anyone know where is this function: "hildon_g_scanner_cache_open"21:40
term-sigtry diff ones, because for me it's looks like problems with cards.21:41
term-sigok, time for beer ;)21:41
komputikohehe21:41
komputikoty term-sig21:41
GeneralAntillesOh, that's sweet.21:42
GeneralAntillesAnybody see the USB VGA adaptor post on maemo-users?21:42
JaffaYeah, gcobb's looking for a hand21:42
GeneralAntillesThat would make for a seriously badass presentation device.21:43
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komputikoanyone knows if there is a way to decompres a file.tar.bz2 into a .img21:48
KotCzarnyyes21:48
komputikommm how?21:49
komputikothe fact is if i try to do it on my n800 i get's allways a i/o error 2 at minutes21:49
KotCzarny1/ make .img, 2/ create fs on it, 3/ mount it via loopback, 4/ uncompress archive to it21:49
komputikoso21:49
komputikoi can do that on my laptop?21:49
KotCzarnyyes21:49
komputikoand then pass the img21:49
komputikook21:49
KotCzarnyjust mount the card in laptop21:50
komputikoty21:50
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KotCzarny(via usb or other reader)21:50
komputikoyes21:50
komputikoand now?21:50
komputikomount...21:50
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komputikohow can i mount a .img?21:52
KotCzarnymount -o loop file.img somedir21:52
komputikook21:53
KotCzarnydon't forget to umount it later21:53
komputikook21:53
KotCzarnywith umount -d21:53
komputikoty21:53
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komputikoarf arf21:54
komputikoand now21:54
komputikohow can i decompess a .tar.bz2 file?21:54
komputikotar xvzf ?21:55
KotCzarnytar -xjvf21:55
Navitar xvjf21:55
Navino hyphen21:55
komputikook21:55
komputikoty21:55
KotCzarnynavi: gnutar allows hyphen21:55
KotCzarnysee man page21:55
Naviallows it, but really useless :P21:55
KotCzarnyno, leaving hyphen out it probably against POSIX21:56
KotCzarnywhat if you had a file named xvjf ?21:56
NaviIt's an extra character to type with no gains except for very specific and unlikely situations21:57
KotCzarnyyou have never tried writing a program then21:57
KotCzarny:)21:57
KotCzarnyand no, it's not very specific situation21:57
komputikommm i get file not found21:58
komputikobut i mounted ok the .img21:58
NaviI'm not talking from the development side, I'm talking from the user extraction side21:58
komputikobecause i am seeing the content21:58
KotCzarnynavi: users are idiots, usually21:58
NaviI'm haven't said it shouldn't be included, just that it's unneeded most of the time21:58
KotCzarnyprogrammers sometimes too21:58
KotCzarny:)21:58
komputikothanks for that21:58
komputikoxD21:58
KotCzarnynavi: it's inconsistent21:59
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KotCzarnyfirefox 2.0.0.1422:02
KotCzarny:)22:02
komputikoanyones have the kde.tar.bz2 file? and can tell me the md5sum :P22:03
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komputikohow can i see the source of a .deb?22:10
komputikoor i can't22:10
komputikooh i think i cant xD22:10
KotCzarnyapt-get source file.deb22:10
komputikoah okkkk22:11
komputikobut22:11
komputikoi don't get it with aptget22:11
komputikoi downloaded it22:11
KotCzarny:)22:11
komputikoi downloaded it of a website22:12
komputikothe .deb22:12
komputiko._.22:12
KotCzarnythen look for the sources on that site22:12
KotCzarnyor just on debian.org22:12
KotCzarny:)22:12
komputikothe fact is22:12
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komputikoit is kde-3.5.8.deb xD!22:12
KotCzarnyyou don't want to see the source of that..22:12
KotCzarny:)22:12
komputikoyes22:12
komputikohttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde22:12
komputikobecause22:12
KotCzarnyit's big22:13
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KotCzarny:)22:13
komputikonono, but is not kde22:13
komputikoits the .deb that copy kde.tar.bz2 into a local.img22:13
komputikobut i like to see22:13
KotCzarnyar x kde-3.5.8.deb22:13
komputikoif that .deb makes something more22:13
komputikoar x?22:13
pupnikarchive extract22:14
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komputikoah22:14
komputikook22:14
komputikoty then22:14
komputiko;)22:14
KotCzarnyhi pupnik22:14
pupnikar is a command22:14
pupnikhi22:14
KotCzarnypirrrate command22:14
KotCzarnyar arr22:14
komputikohaha22:14
pupnik>_<22:14
komputikoi dont get any result with ar x kde.deb22:20
komputiko:-\22:21
komputikoany idea?22:21
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KotCzarnyls -l22:21
KotCzarny:)22:21
komputikoyes xD22:21
komputikoi am at the correct directory22:21
KotCzarnyit won't show any output22:22
KotCzarnyit simply unpacks the .deb22:22
komputikoahhh ok22:22
komputiko:P22:22
pupnikman, the icanhascheezburger.com dudes were able to quit their day job22:22
KotCzarnylol22:23
KotCzarnylink?22:23
pupnikdunno, just read an article about it in the paper a few months back22:23
KotCzarnylol@random thoughts22:23
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komputikook, kde wins, it's impossible for me22:29
komputikoinstall it22:29
komputiko>_<22:29
KotCzarny:)22:29
KotCzarnymaybe your card just don't like fast writes22:30
komputikoyes, i think that22:30
komputikobut i tried with a class 6 card22:30
KotCzarnyi assume both are the same brand?22:30
komputikoand same problem22:30
komputikoyes22:31
KotCzarny;)22:31
komputikobut i think i am not a lucky men22:31
komputiko*man22:31
KotCzarnyyou can try custom kernel22:32
komputikowhat i'll get?22:32
KotCzarnymaybe faster speeds22:32
KotCzarnymaybe fewer/more problems22:32
komputikowhere can i found it? :P22:32
KotCzarnyask qwerty1222:33
komputikook22:33
KotCzarnyhe is the kamikaze modder here22:33
KotCzarny:)22:33
komputikojjajaja22:33
komputikoyes i know22:33
pupnikhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-from-yonder-window-breaks/  heh, 'shakespeare ape'22:37
pupniktis the east, and Juliet is the sun!22:37
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GeneralAntillesHa22:43
pupnikKotCzarny http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=99823022:43
KotCzarnyit's fur is not black22:44
KotCzarnynice green eyes though22:45
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KotCzarnyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_accidents_and_incidents#Near-fatalities22:46
KotCzarny:)22:46
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RST38hKot: How about this one: http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/gal/begemot3.jpg ?22:57
KotCzarnybetter, but i prefer this one: http://localhost/KotCzarny.jpg22:57
KotCzarnyerm22:57
KotCzarnyhttp://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/KotCzarny.jpg22:57
KotCzarny:)22:57
RST38hlooks severely underfed22:58
KotCzarnyjust an illusion22:58
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KotCzarny  |> Limbo - Tetrium (Psytisfaction 2)23:05
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pupnikhah wow23:18
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lcukhum23:24
* lcuk broked his network23:25
KotCzarnyyou're still there23:25
KotCzarny:)23:25
lcukthis machine is, but nothing inside my lan or vmware is23:25
KotCzarnyheh23:26
KotCzarnytear everything down, and restart from scratch :)23:26
komputikook, now when installing kde again, i get a crash: rm:cannot remove /etc/nss_mdns.conf: no such file or directory23:26
KotCzarnyor just install some router :)23:26
komputiko:(23:26
komputikoany idea?23:26
KotCzarnynope23:27
lcukkomputiko, you dont need to remove a single file if its not there :D23:27
komputikoyes, that is what i think23:27
komputikobut23:27
KotCzarnyand script was written without error handling :)23:27
lcukis this an install script?23:27
komputikoi can't install kde !_!23:27
komputikoit's a .deb23:27
KotCzarnysomeone should prepare kde image of the running os23:27
KotCzarny:)23:27
* lcuk shouldnt really be typing now, ive had a massive migraine all day23:28
komputikoyes, i think so23:28
* KotCzarny had a migraine but it's ok now23:28
* lcuk made purple sick :S23:28
KotCzarnypurple?23:28
lcukvimto23:28
KotCzarnyvimto?23:28
KotCzarnyO.o23:28
* KotCzarny apparently lost his verbal skills23:29
lcukwhatever wanted out of me was apparantly below what i drunk before bed :S23:29
* lcuk unwinds his dietary stack23:29
KotCzarny:)23:30
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Grackleat least you're not doing a dietary stack swap23:30
komputikoanyone that succesfully installed kde on a n800, please help me!!!23:30
lcukif this damned network hadnt broked i could have done some testing of the turbo thing23:30
KotCzarnylcuk: what's the problem ?23:30
lcukkomputiko, i dont think many have done, may be best looking on ITT and see whaty people posted there23:30
komputikoyes, i search for hours23:31
komputikoand nothing23:31
komputiko:-\23:31
komputikosomething that appears simple23:31
komputikois impossible on my n80023:31
lcuknothing, i just incorporated app_turbo_...() functions and stuff before realising that the changes i made earlier to the network meant i couldnt test anything23:31
lcukand then just went to bed23:31
KotCzarnyi was asking about network23:32
KotCzarny:)23:32
pupnikkomputiko: could you ar x the .deb file that seems broken?23:32
komputikonot, is perfect23:33
komputikoi test it23:33
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komputikoi do that before23:33
lcuki changed ad-hoc network from unsecured to using wep.  nothing else changed, all fixed ips should remain valid and dns etc all pointing at this machine but i just cant see the tablet any more on the net23:33
lcuk810 should respond to ping shouldnt it?23:33
KotCzarnyyes23:33
pupnikyes23:33
lcukthought so, its just gone23:33
KotCzarnybut tablet can ping others?23:33
lcuktablet can ping this machine 10.0.0.1 but nothing else23:34
pupnikkomputiko: i don't have kde on tablet, and i don't understand what is not working for you23:34
lcukmy mistake - it can get dns and outside world stuff23:34
KotCzarny0.1 is the router or pc?23:34
lcukthis pc, there is no router up here23:34
komputikoinput/output errors!23:34
komputikofrom my sd card23:34
pupnikthat's possible.  there is also a file download corruption bug in older kernels23:35
komputikoi flashed with the newest os 2008 kernel23:35
KotCzarnylcuk: can't think of anything23:36
KotCzarnytry hostap ?23:36
lcukill start from scratch again - i seem to recall having similar issues at the start23:36
KotCzarnyjust get wrt54g :>23:37
lcukon a side note, ive managed to get the laptop fan working and tested a few things,  battery lasts 2 hours unplugged and wifi does work :)23:37
KotCzarny(but keep away from a version with less than 4mb of flash)23:37
KotCzarny:)23:37
KotCzarny2h? huhu23:37
lcuk2hours for a 4 year old laptop is quite reasonable23:38
KotCzarnyah, yes23:38
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KotCzarnyi have thought it was new :)23:38
lcukits enough to be usable23:38
lcukmy missus gave me the "if i spend hundreds of pounds on shoes you would freak" lecture and i found an alternative to buying a new laptop..23:39
KotCzarny:>23:39
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lcukbesides, im glad i did - the day after i decided against getting an eee the new ones were released23:39
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lcukannounced^23:40
KotCzarnyyes, old thinkpads go pretty cheap off-lease23:40
pupnikold laptops are fine for me too23:40
MangoFusionthere's nothing like a nice shiny new laptop straight out of the packaging though, imo23:40
KotCzarnyheh23:40
lcukthis one is for me - its got a pair of horizontal dead pixel lines, but im not gonna dive inside and check the wiring23:40
KotCzarnypaying 100%-200% more for a carton package and a piece of plastic foil isn't wise23:41
KotCzarnyi think23:41
pupnikwhat model?23:41
lcukMangoFusion, i would gladly take a new laptop, ill PM you my address23:41
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lcukhttp://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/Toshiba_Satellite_Pro6100_dismantle_1.htm23:41
lcuktoshiba sat pro 610023:41
lcukand just look at the disassembly, it would make obi-wan-laptopi scared23:42
KotCzarnyat least it has trackpoint23:42
KotCzarny:)23:42
lcukno it doesnt23:42
KotCzarnyfrom pics it has23:42
KotCzarnyhttp://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/disassembly/big/Toshiba-Satellite-6100-dismantle-07.jpg23:42
MangoFusiontwist the screen around23:42
MangoFusionadd a touch pad23:42
MangoFusionand hey presto23:42
lcukyes technically it has a nobble, but its as useful as a chocolate fireguard23:42
MangoFusionthe n90023:42
KotCzarnyah, no driver?23:42
lcukhmm, doubt it, the buttons work23:43
lcukbut the nipple is dead23:43
KotCzarnyhmm23:43
KotCzarnyi believe it should work23:43
lcukits not a big deal i hate them anyway23:43
lcukyer it worked on the other one i tested23:43
KotCzarnyunless it's dead on the hw level23:43
lcukbut i took the one which it wouldnt matter if i reformatted it or broke it23:43
lcukthere were 2 identical ones23:44
KotCzarny:)23:44
KotCzarnyi like trackpoints23:44
KotCzarnythe don't distract my typing23:44
KotCzarnyif i need to move a window etc.23:44
lcukim not bothered - i just need something so when im in germany if something crops up i can code on the go23:44
KotCzarnydon't forget to remove 'designed for windows' stickers23:45
KotCzarny:)23:45
lcuki would prefer to get proper full gcc working but i doubt in the time im there i can get reliable dev work done in time23:45
lcuklook on the guide i posted, there are about 700 stickers underneath23:45
KotCzarnylcuk: just give me root access23:45
KotCzarny:)23:46
lcukto what? the 810 or the lap23:46
KotCzarnyto the place where you need gcc23:46
SamuelDrI wonder, has there already been someone who attempted to "port" the tango icon set to chinook?23:47
kwanCan anybody get latest glib and gtk integrated into maemo?  with hildon patches?23:47
kwanor is there anyway to find hildon patches for latest glib or gtk?23:47
lcukright, gonna try and get networking running23:48
lcukback later chaps :)23:48
KotCzarnygo go23:48
KotCzarny:)23:48
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