IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-04-19

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flyguy	RST38h: I do my gtk_init on line 52	00:08
RST38h	ok, see it	00:08
KotCzarny	flyguy, try this program on pc?	00:09
KotCzarny	(without hildon stuff of course)	00:09
lardman\|tv	night all	00:11
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flyguy	KotCzarny: Everything terminated as expected, nothing out of the ordinary	00:14
flyguy	seems like it must be a Chinook thing	00:14
KotCzarny	try commenting out hildon stuff then?	00:14
KotCzarny	program will work and you will investigate it sometime later	00:15
KotCzarny	:)	00:15
flyguy	sorry, my post was clear as mud, everything worked as expected	00:15
KotCzarny	nvm	00:15
flyguy	termination happened as expected, no memeory dump or anything	00:15
flyguy	nvm??	00:15
lcuk	nevermind - i think you 2 are getting a bit confused.	00:16
RST38h	flyguy: so, what was it?	00:16
lcuk	on the big pc, you already just took out the hildon stuff to test didnt you	00:16
flyguy	yes, on my desktop no errors or crazy memory dumps	00:16
flyguy	everything works as expected	00:17
lcuk	so, now take that same source and compile for armel as kot suggested	00:17
RST38h	aha	00:17
lcuk	this should still work, except it wont have hildon specific bits	00:17
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lcuk	test if it crashes that way..	00:17
RST38h	if it still fails on the device, try commenting out some of the widgets and see which one causes the problem	00:18
lcuk	this is like "if the computer is still failing, take out each peripheral until you find the one that is borkening it"	00:18
* lcuk once went all the way to the cpu before giving up		00:18
flyguy	I will definently do that, I will have to learn how to compile with armel, this is my first attempt at programming for my nokia	00:19
KotCzarny	flyguy: the same way you do on linux pc	00:19
KotCzarny	:)	00:19
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flyguy	I still don't fully understand the target construct, need to do some more reading	00:20
* lcuk is still reading		00:20
* KotCzarny is still playing		00:20
RST38h	flyguy: you may want to use maemosdk instead of the original sdk	00:20
KotCzarny	i'm on disc3 though	00:20
KotCzarny	so it shouldn't be long	00:20
RST38h	It is way more straightforward	00:20
RST38h	maemosdk+, I wanted to say	00:20
lcuk	floppy disk kot?	00:20
KotCzarny	iso image	00:20
KotCzarny	:)	00:20
* KotCzarny imagines psx games on a floppy games		00:21
flyguy	No I am confused, I downloaded Chinook from the maemo web site, thought that was the sdk	00:21
KotCzarny	'new! multifloppy reader!'	00:21
RST38h	Ok, there are two SDKs	00:21
KotCzarny	'now insert floppies 16-24 and 32-40	00:21
RST38h	One is the MaemoSDK (Chinook aka 4.0) that you can download off Maemo site	00:22
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RST38h	It is based on ScratchBox1 (SB1) and that is basically a quasi-virtual Linux inside your Linux	00:22
RST38h	Very cumbersome and quirky	00:22
KotCzarny	but works	00:22
KotCzarny	for me at least	00:23
RST38h	But there is also MaemoSDK+ based on ScratchBox2 (SB2)	00:23
lcuk	if you are unsure, the simplest method to get started is to see the SDK in place in a live linux system. there is a maemovmware image around which has everything preconfigured and runnable	00:23
RST38h	This one works a bit differently	00:23
KotCzarny	and i like scratchbox's ability to have multiple targets	00:23
KotCzarny	so i can play with misc libs/gccs without breaking everything	00:23
RST38h	Instead of logging into a virtual Linux, you prepend all your commands with sb2 and they compile for your target machine	00:23
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RST38h	SB1 worked for me as well, but it was clunky and ate almost all of the Linux partition	00:24
flyguy	RST38h: so gcc would be something like sb2-gcc	00:24
KotCzarny	i had a spare 40gb disk with badblocks	00:24
RST38h	It will be sb2 gcc *.c	00:24
flyguy	and I can do everything from normal command line	00:24
KotCzarny	so space isn't a concern for me	00:24
KotCzarny	:)	00:25
RST38h	My whole disk drive is 30GB	00:25
RST38h	And most of it is taken by XP	00:25
KotCzarny	heheheh	00:25
RST38h	flyguy: yep	00:25
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RST38h	flyguy: The drawback is that you can't debug on your PC, you have to transfer stuff to the tablet	00:25
RST38h	But I am doing it anyway, so it does not matter for me	00:26
flyguy	As a side I truly hate XP and Vista is just a lazy out of work version of XP, just sits on its ass all day doing nothing of any use	00:26
flyguy	RST38h: I am still very new to programming so I will probably have to stick with chinook	00:27
lcuk	you are right, if you have got a computer sitting around trying to look pretty with nothing running then you would be better saving the environment and turning it off	00:27
RST38h	flyguy: Both of the SDKs are for chinook	00:27
lcuk	as for myself i keep whichever OS i am running in busy :)	00:27
RST38h	Chinook (or OS2008) is basically the current version of Linux-based OS running inside your tablet	00:27
flyguy	I have a buddy at work how is well versed in Windows and networking but still can't get his xp and vista machine talking	00:28
KotCzarny	heh	00:28
flyguy	who not how, great typing	00:28
lcuk	flyguy, the scratchbox (original) toolchain, and the newer sb2 toolchain both end up with the same executable built for nokia os2008(chinook)..	00:28
KotCzarny	i'm well versed with linux	00:28
KotCzarny	and made vis/xp/lin talking to each over easily	00:29
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KotCzarny	just turn of firewalls in windows	00:29
KotCzarny	;)	00:29
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KotCzarny	*off	00:29
RST38h	Linux isn't exactly a brilliant either...	00:29
flyguy	I might try the sb2 toolchain	00:29
KotCzarny	rst38h: i would prefer linux everyday over windows	00:29
KotCzarny	:)	00:29
flyguy	at least linux is free, how much do you have to pay for that sad execuse of an operating system now?? 200	00:29
Veggen	RST38h: all oSes suck, but some more than others :)	00:30
RST38h	Compared to BSDs, it feels like a toy, although I have to admit that the latest Ubuntu versions are pretty decent toys	00:30
KotCzarny	heh	00:30
lcuk	flyguy, most people do not directly pay for their OS.	00:30
KotCzarny	rst, bsds have their own quirks	00:30
KotCzarny	:)	00:30
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Cptnodegard	most people dont even indirectly pay for their OSes :p	00:30
lcuk	the cost of linux is irrelivent because the only way its going to take off is if its on the machine (ala 8x0 and eee)	00:30
RST38h	Kot: Aside from being dumb, no quirks	00:30
flyguy	You may not pay for the actual OS but how much do you pay for userland apps	00:31
lcuk	whats wrong with buying a linux product?	00:31
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KotCzarny	nothing	00:31
KotCzarny	assuming it does what it has to do	00:31
KotCzarny	:)	00:31
lcuk	if i want to play doom 2009 super dark edition on linux i do not expect to get it for free	00:31
flyguy	True but how much should you pay to keep track of your finances or write a term paper	00:32
lcuk	i pay what i feel it is worth and available for	00:32
KotCzarny	free market	00:32
KotCzarny	:)	00:32
lcuk	open office works because its a community effort	00:32
KotCzarny	lcuk, OOo was a closed product at first, i think	00:33
lcuk	i dont expect people to help me write doom (though some game makers do)	00:33
Proteous_	gnucash ftw	00:33
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RST38h	free/non-free makes no difference in the real world	00:33
lcuk	also, with open office, if i find a problem i can try and fix it	00:33
KotCzarny	or at least find a person who can	00:33
KotCzarny	:)	00:33
RST38h	only open source fanatics are interested in this distinction	00:33
lcuk	or pay someone to fix it	00:34
lcuk	:)	00:34
flyguy	I don't care how open it is, my concern is price	00:34
Veggen	price has nothing to do with it. really.	00:34
lcuk	bounties are great	00:34
KotCzarny	flyguy: not true	00:34
RST38h	For an average person, the only thing that matters is value vs price	00:34
KotCzarny	if it's 'free' but snoops your data	00:34
lcuk	flyguy, now, its not just price surely	00:34
KotCzarny	or displays ads..	00:34
KotCzarny	;)	00:34
KotCzarny	i would hate such app	00:34
RST38h	Kot: The funny thing is, a lot of non-free apps snoop and display ads now	00:34
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flyguy	ads don't bother me but I would agree with the snoops	00:34
KotCzarny	rst: none that i use :)	00:35
lcuk	then you are free to go elsewhere	00:35
KotCzarny	(i believe)	00:35
RST38h	Kot: Same here (everything sanitized) but still	00:35
KotCzarny	and i hate marketing scams	00:35
flyguy	aren't all you windows users sick of there new crapy interface, i hate eye candy for the sake of eye candy	00:36
KotCzarny	with apps doing less or worse showing higher in search engines than free or better equivalents	00:36
lcuk	how do you find time to sanitize and scrutinize everything?	00:36
flyguy	I feel the same about compiz	00:36
KotCzarny	i like eye candies	00:36
lcuk	flyguy, some are, but some don't know any different	00:36
KotCzarny	but after a few days i turn them off	00:36
KotCzarny	though it's nice to show off sometimes	00:36
KotCzarny	:)	00:36
RST38h	lcuk: Does not take much time, there are programs for that	00:36
lcuk	? like what, may be useful	00:37
KotCzarny	iptables	00:37
KotCzarny	:>	00:37
* lcuk gives out info in source code		00:37
RST38h	lcuk: on Windows, start with HijackThis	00:37
flyguy	Kot: you watch the logs??	00:38
lcuk	but that doesnt sanitize the data?	00:38
KotCzarny	sometimes	00:38
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RST38h	data does not get executed	00:38
KotCzarny	rst38h: not true ;)	00:38
lcuk	that just allows me as an admin to confirm i still have a clean ship, what happens if microsoft updates a legit program and wants to send data, or any one of the 400 or so programs installed?	00:38
RST38h	lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap	00:39
RST38h	lcuk: And it does send data.	00:39
flyguy	how do you all feel about activating products you paid for	00:39
RST38h	lcuk: Second, you are unlikely to have 400 programs installed. You probably have at most 20-30	00:39
lcuk	yes, do you know what data? do you check everytime?	00:39
RST38h	I do not	00:39
LinuxCode	[22:39] RST38h lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap	00:39
LinuxCode	it also used to break other peoples crap...on purpose	00:40
LinuxCode	;-p	00:40
RST38h	Yea, but not directly	00:40
LinuxCode	lol	00:40
RST38h	lcuk: With Microsoft there is not much I can do	00:40
lcuk	program files contains 134 folders	00:40
LinuxCode	I would beg to differ.... IBM Vs Microsoft	00:40
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RST38h	lcuk: With the normal apps though, if an app sends ANYTHING outside, I delete it	00:40
RST38h	lcuk: Are you using all 134 aps?	00:41
LinuxCode	ohh Im in maemo...thought this was fedora lol	00:41
LinuxCode	btw hi lcuk ;-D	00:41
lcuk	i doubt thats everything, but yer at different times	00:41
lcuk	hi there LinuxCode not spoke in a whil;e	00:41
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flyguy	why does every hate on fedora	00:41
LinuxCode	yes I had my final year project to get rid of	00:41
LinuxCode	still got work to do mind	00:41
flyguy	everyone	00:41
LinuxCode	;-\|	00:41
LinuxCode	flyguy, Im using it	00:42
KotCzarny	because fedora behaves like a mad experimentator	00:42
LinuxCode	so again..I beg to differ	00:42
RST38h	Fedora is a pile of steaming shit	00:42
KotCzarny	and breakes sometimes stuff in the process	00:42
KotCzarny	:)	00:42
LinuxCode	RST38h, so are most irc users	00:42
RST38h	Same goes for RedHat proper, only that one also costs money	00:42
LinuxCode	yet we all spend time on it	00:42
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flyguy	I have ran Fedora for about 6 years still no major problems	00:42
lcuk	RST38h, there are a lot more things installed both within the folder and outside it - i cull pretty often, but it is a bit of a monster	00:42
LinuxCode	flyguy, same	00:42
flyguy	LinuxCode: first version??	00:43
LinuxCode	even longer	00:43
LinuxCode	yes	00:43
LinuxCode	redhat 9 before that	00:43
RST38h	lcuk: You probably aren't using all 136 apps	00:43
flyguy	nice, for me FC3	00:43
RST38h	Our CS department had RedHat, with a corporte support contract	00:43
flyguy	really excited for 9	00:43
LinuxCode	flyguy, ou should be	00:43
LinuxCode	you	00:43
LinuxCode	as long as all features make it in	00:43
lcuk	RST38h, im probably not, but my missus might be using some of them and my sons	00:44
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RST38h	One of the "nice" things RedHat did was random NFS hangups, where it managed to corrupt open files on the server	00:44
LinuxCode	did	00:44
flyguy	bluetooth support looks to be greatly improved looking forward to screwing around with my phone through fedora	00:44
LinuxCode	that makes it past tense	00:44
lcuk	but i do clean it out - this system has only been installed since 2005	00:44
LinuxCode	nfs bugs are not specific to a distro	00:44
RST38h	lcuk: Delete everything, take installation rights from them, then install what they ask you to	00:44
RST38h	=)	00:44
lcuk	they never install anything - i do it all	00:45
RST38h	Linux: maybe it still does, who knows?	00:45
LinuxCode	flyguy, its alreayd good in f8	00:45
lcuk	but they ask for things and i oblige, whats the big deal?>	00:45
RST38h	Linux: I ended up on a Solaris machine	00:45
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LinuxCode	well good for you	00:45
flyguy	have problems with my LG az8600	00:45
flyguy	ax6800 even	00:45
flyguy	ax8600 even	00:45
LinuxCode	sun just bought mysql and promptly will make stuff closed source	00:45
RST38h	Linux: Told them that they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands	00:45
KotCzarny	huh	00:46
LinuxCode	just shows how much I dont like them ...	00:46
KotCzarny	let's hope for a fork	00:46
KotCzarny	:)	00:46
lcuk	LinuxCode, no they wont. they have a couple of closed source apps which utilise the open source mysql core functions	00:46
LinuxCode	KotCzarny, theres always postrgesql , if nothing else goes..	00:46
* KotCzarny shrugs		00:46
LinuxCode	lcuk, k	00:46
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* lcuk thinks that is a viable model		00:47
flyguy	mysql, not that impressed. postgres or sqlite	00:47
LinuxCode	i knew the enterprise version always was kinda closed/support only or whatever	00:47
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lcuk	yes exactly, you may get other things if you go down that route, but the database as it stands now is OSS and proud	00:47
LinuxCode	hehe	00:47
LinuxCode	yeh if they did the community version in....they would kill off 90% of their custom	00:48
LinuxCode	people would get soo angry	00:48
LinuxCode	never buy/use sun products again	00:48
lcuk	word of mouth is the biggest benefit	00:48
flyguy	sun = little microsoft	00:48
lcuk	people don't buy/use sun products normally anyway ;) (apart from the coffee thing)	00:48
LinuxCode	flyguy, i dont agree with that	00:48
LinuxCode	they have and support many OSS projects	00:49
flyguy	sun is doing what microsoft did, buy out competition but they went to the one place microsoft didn't OSS	00:49
LinuxCode	its a hybrid business model...just like Nokia with the Nxxx	00:49
KotCzarny	flyguy: either that or leaving those buyoutcompetition to others	00:50
LinuxCode	anyway	00:50
LinuxCode	im not here to discuss or argue or whatever	00:50
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LinuxCode	lcuk, whats new mate ?	00:50
KotCzarny	lc: you already did ;)	00:50
LinuxCode	KotCzarny, I know....	00:50
LinuxCode	;-[	00:50
lcuk	well.. ive been invited to linuxtag to speak :)	00:50
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LinuxCode	got drawn in	00:50
KotCzarny	yeah.. internet	00:50
KotCzarny	;)	00:50
LinuxCode	cool	00:50
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lcuk	and ive finally got over my code phobia. ive started coding properly now	00:51
LinuxCode	lcuk, anything new n810 wise.. ? appz and stuff ?	00:51
LinuxCode	I havent checked lately	00:51
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LinuxCode	hahaha	00:51
lcuk	go find numptyphysics	00:51
LinuxCode	lcuk, glad to hear that	00:51
LinuxCode	whats that ?	00:51
KotCzarny	fun	00:51
KotCzarny	:)	00:51
KotCzarny	candy for a brain	00:52
KotCzarny	:)	00:52
LinuxCode	have to write a report until monday ..meh	00:53
KotCzarny	3 days	00:53
KotCzarny	lots of time	00:53
KotCzarny	;)	00:53
LinuxCode	I cant wait until Uni is over...	00:53
LinuxCode	I want to rejoin the real world	00:53
LinuxCode	some of the stuff I handed in for Uni....	00:54
LinuxCode	would have gotten me the sack	00:54
LinuxCode	in real life	00:54
LinuxCode	lol	00:54
LinuxCode	its so ridiculous haha	00:54
\|\|cw	yeah, tell me about it	00:54
LinuxCode	or worse.... servers would have gotten sploited	00:54
KotCzarny	heh..	00:54
KotCzarny	deadlines	00:55
KotCzarny	:)	00:55
LinuxCode	but all that counts....is citations...	00:55
flyguy	is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a strut to a function	00:55
lcuk	uni is for learning :) enjoy it while you can and take the lessons with you	00:55
* LinuxCode shakes head		00:55
LinuxCode	lcuk, hehe	00:55
LinuxCode	lcuk, im quite happy to learn...	00:55
flyguy	is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a struct to a function?	00:55
LinuxCode	im not happy to theorize about it	00:55
flyguy	i suck at spelling today	00:55
LinuxCode	and write long meaningless reports	00:55
LinuxCode	id rather just do "it"	00:56
lcuk	array of char arrays? you mean a pointer to a char pointer? or actual mrmory	00:56
flyguy	pointer	00:56
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lcuk	then cant you just myfunc(char **strings)	00:56
flyguy	array, sorry	00:57
LinuxCode	pointer to a pointer ..fun	00:57
KotCzarny	:)	00:57
LinuxCode	lol	00:57
KotCzarny	pointers are fun	00:57
flyguy	hate pointers	00:57
lcuk	while(one=*strings++){ ... }	00:57
LinuxCode	thats where real pleasure starts	00:57
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KotCzarny	operations on pointers are fun too	00:57
KotCzarny	;)	00:57
lcuk	flyguy, for most purposes you dont need to send the entire data on the stack	00:58
flyguy	I somehow have to get a list of words to my function and be able to modify the list, prefer using a vector but I wen to hell and back trying to get that to work	00:59
lcuk	this is prob where your code is failing and blowing up. mixing constant data (strings in "source") and modifying it blows you up	01:00
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flyguy	lcuk: modifing it as in popping the to off a vector, not the actual contents	01:00
LinuxCode	flyguy, simplicity = securer code	01:01
flyguy	thought of using an array with a variable to keep track of index	01:01
lcuk	you're talking c++ now arent u	01:01
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flyguy	no, this is part of my flash card program for my kid	01:01
lcuk	that you pasted earlier	01:01
flyguy	I'm actually a metrologist by trade (science of weights and measure not weather)	01:01
flyguy	lcuk, yes	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Isn't there already a flash card program available?	01:02
flyguy	graduated from college a couple years ago	01:02
lcuk	yes, and theres also a book reader ;)	01:02
LinuxCode	indeed	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Meh, not the same situation, lcuk.	01:02
LinuxCode	got both installed	01:02
flyguy	General: trying to make one so I can control background color	01:03
KotCzarny	frlyguy: there is already flashcards app	01:03
KotCzarny	you aren't satisfied with it?	01:03
lcuk	yes it is, the guy wants to write a program for his kid. commendable, good way to learn is to have something you are interested in	01:03
LinuxCode	agreed	01:03
KotCzarny	:)	01:03
flyguy	my kid is in Kindegarden, needs to have different background based on type of card	01:03
KotCzarny	if one have time for it.. :)	01:03
flyguy	phonics or other	01:04
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KotCzarny	*has	01:04
LinuxCode	and if it potentially benefits the community	01:04
LinuxCode	even better	01:04
LinuxCode	;-}	01:04
KotCzarny	i think the most important factor is time	01:04
KotCzarny	:)	01:04
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KotCzarny	darn, it's hot today.. 27C	01:05
KotCzarny	:/	01:05
flyguy	time is not a factor for me, I have two kids behind this one so I would like to make a solid app that can be extended as needed	01:05
lcuk	:O holy mother of	01:05
flyguy	anyone from england here?	01:05
LinuxCode	KotCzarny, texas ?	01:05
KotCzarny	nope	01:05
* lcuk puts his hand up		01:05
LinuxCode	flyguy, yep	01:05
KotCzarny	nyc area	01:05
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flyguy	what the weather like, i might be moving to england	01:05
* LinuxCode also lifts his hand up		01:05
LinuxCode	8C	01:06
lcuk	dont move to england just yet, i think germany farted	01:06
LinuxCode	cloudy	01:06
flyguy	that frickin cold	01:06
LinuxCode	lcuk, loooool	01:06
flyguy	it was 86 today	01:06
LinuxCode	you got hit with the bad smells huh ?	01:06
flyguy	new mexico	01:06
LinuxCode	rofl	01:06
* LinuxCode points and laughs		01:06
lcuk	nope, but i used to live downwind from a farm so i sympathise	01:06
LinuxCode	apparently they will linger for a fe days too	01:06
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LinuxCode	few*	01:06
LinuxCode	haha k	01:06
KotCzarny	eheheh	01:07
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flyguy	LinuxCode: how are americans treated in england	01:07
KotCzarny	*of	01:07
KotCzarny	at night they were venting ;)	01:07
LinuxCode	flyguy, we are genereally polite mate	01:07
lcuk	flyguy, they are treated the same as anyone else :) have a good attitude and you are treated well	01:07
LinuxCode	I think we have got more a problem with your Government	01:07
LinuxCode	but then 50%+ of Americans seem to have that issue too...	01:08
LinuxCode	;-p	01:08
LinuxCode	if not more	01:08
* lcuk stays out of politics		01:08
LinuxCode	lcuk, hehe	01:08
flyguy	thats what Im afraid of might work for the mililtary base over there	01:08
KotCzarny	but politics doesn't stay out of lcuk	01:08
KotCzarny	;)	01:08
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LinuxCode	flyguy, tell me where...I will send a bomb	01:08
LinuxCode	rofl	01:08
lcuk	indeed kot	01:09
LinuxCode	just kidding!	01:09
KotCzarny	linuxterrorits!	01:09
KotCzarny	erm. linuxterrorist	01:09
KotCzarny	:)	01:09
flyguy	let our powers unite	01:09
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LinuxCode	I will send somebody in a Penguin costume	01:09
LinuxCode	to sit on you	01:09
LinuxCode	lolol	01:09
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LinuxCode	;-D	01:09
LinuxCode	think I might cover deadlocks for this report	01:10
lcuk	flyguy: Somebody set up us the bomb.	01:10
KotCzarny	peguins stucked in tubes	01:10
LinuxCode	any of you wouldnt recall a book by chance that would discuss opensource vs closed source ?	01:10
KotCzarny	*penguins	01:11
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lcuk	LinuxCode: All your base are belong to us.	01:11
LinuxCode	Im sure I had/knew of one before	01:11
LinuxCode	lcuk, you can have my bass mate	01:11
flyguy	what exactly pisses everyone off about american politics, just the war?	01:11
LinuxCode	and my drum	01:11
LinuxCode	drum & bass	01:11
* lcuk prefers ambient		01:11
KotCzarny	bass is a kind of fish	01:11
lcuk	and manc tunes	01:11
LinuxCode	flyguy, I dont like being lied at	01:11
KotCzarny	tuna tune	01:12
LinuxCode	specially if one asylum seeker makes the shit up	01:12
LinuxCode	and everyone sees that as proper intelligence	01:12
LinuxCode	because it suits their need	01:12
KotCzarny	linuxcode: that's what ALL politics do	01:12
KotCzarny	sooner or later	01:12
flyguy	feel the same way about iraq, how did afghanastan play over there?	01:12
* LinuxCode blames the BND (German intelligence)		01:12
lcuk	im off	01:13
flyguy	Cheney didn't do us any favors either	01:13
LinuxCode	well...and Im sure everyone knew that the source was shit	01:13
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LinuxCode	lcuk, nn mate	01:13
LinuxCode	too late	01:13
flyguy	who know what collin powell would have said to the U.N. if Cheney kept his fat ass out of military affairs	01:14
LinuxCode	lets see if there are udates for the N810	01:14
flyguy	V.P. does not equal Vice Command in Cheif	01:14
LinuxCode	it was all orchestrated	01:14
LinuxCode	old revenge	01:14
flyguy	Cheney had direct inputs on powell's speach to the u.n.	01:15
LinuxCode	non of them even write their own speeches	01:15
LinuxCode	lol	01:15
flyguy	who do you like in '08	01:15
derf	When did this become #politics?	01:16
flyguy	yes, but most have speach writers not VPs	01:16
LinuxCode	flyguy, nobody	01:16
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LinuxCode	anyway I have to read about deadlocks	01:16
LinuxCode	and find citations	01:16
flyguy	deadlocks in general or just c++	01:16
LinuxCode	deadlocks	01:17
LinuxCode	as in Operating System deadlocks	01:17
flyguy	The complete reference C# 2.0 covers deadlocks in detail, more so than any other book I've read	01:18
flyguy	includes discussion of semaphores and mutexs as well	01:19
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LinuxCode	hey Tama^2	01:24
LinuxCode	flyguy, dont need that	01:25
LinuxCode	thanks for the info though	01:25
Tama^2	Hi LinuxCode	01:25
LinuxCode	;-}	01:25
LinuxCode	Tama^2, how ya been ?	01:25
LinuxCode	god..it must be a month or so I havent been here	01:25
LinuxCode	shocking	01:25
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Tama^2	ahah, I'm fine thanks	01:26
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Tama^2	I've been in lurk mode lately as I am very busy	01:27
LinuxCode	I can second that	01:27
Tama^2	what have you been up to?	01:27
LinuxCode	dont ask! finla year project report was due in wednesday	01:27
LinuxCode	final*	01:27
LinuxCode	what a nightmare	01:28
LinuxCode	70 fricking pages!	01:28
lopz	re	01:29
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flyguy	is it ok to use g_slice_new with a vector	01:37
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KotCzarny	probably not	01:38
KotCzarny	:)	01:38
flyguy	is there an alternative	01:38
KotCzarny	malloc?	01:38
flyguy	no gtk specific alternative then	01:38
KotCzarny	don't quote me though	01:38
KotCzarny	i haven't played with gtk much	01:38
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flyguy	what do use with maemo	01:39
KotCzarny	pygtk as for now and xlib	01:39
flyguy	in your opinion would it be hard to switch to pygtk from c++/gtk	01:40
KotCzarny	hmm	01:40
KotCzarny	nope	01:40
KotCzarny	it mimics most of the gtk calls	01:40
KotCzarny	only trouble you will have with python	01:40
KotCzarny	but it's fairly easy to learn	01:40
flyguy	do you know of a good starting place with python	01:40
KotCzarny	just google python tutorial	01:41
KotCzarny	:)	01:41
KotCzarny	my usual way in learning new things	01:41
flyguy	thanks, i'll give it a try	01:42
KotCzarny	http://docs.python.org/tut/	01:42
KotCzarny	this one for python	01:42
KotCzarny	http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html	01:43
KotCzarny	this one for maemo specific calls in python	01:43
KotCzarny	http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html	01:43
KotCzarny	and this one for pygtk	01:43
KotCzarny	:)	01:43
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flyguy	thank you for the resources	01:44
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* Mousey huggles canola2		01:44
* Mousey wishes last.fm would login tho without the criptyc system time error that the thread i found about it doesn't fix		01:44
GeneralAntilles	That magically disappeared for me.	01:45
Mousey	apt-get install canola*	01:50
Mousey	^_^	01:50
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gribouille	hi again	02:26
gribouille	someon alive here ?	02:27
gribouille	s/someon/someone	02:27
GeneralAntilles	No, only the dead.	02:27
GeneralAntilles	BRAAAAAIIIIIIINNSSSSSSS	02:27
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LinuxCode	GeneralAntilles, hey hey!	02:28
* LinuxCode chucks a nudge across the channel		02:28
gribouille	does someone use an sd card as virtual memory ?	02:28
* GeneralAntilles zombie-shambles in LinuxCode's direction.		02:28
LinuxCode	lool	02:28
GeneralAntilles	Most people, gribouille.	02:28
* LinuxCode fears		02:28
GeneralAntilles	Definitely recommended.	02:28
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, does it boost the tablet ?	02:28
GeneralAntilles	Only in high-memory usage situations.	02:29
GeneralAntilles	Mostly it just prevents you from hitting an out-of-memory situation and having applications crash	02:29
gribouille	are sd card as fast as ram ?	02:29
LinuxCode	god I hate that	02:29
KotCzarny	lol	02:29
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GeneralAntilles	It does make Wesnoth playable.	02:29
LinuxCode	happened to me once	02:29
KotCzarny	grib: think of it as windows page file	02:29
GeneralAntilles	Not even in the same league, gribouille.	02:29
l7_	how playable is wesnoth?	02:30
GeneralAntilles	Very	02:30
gribouille	is the sd card only used as swap space ?	02:30
GeneralAntilles	Just a TOUCH slow, and not having hot keys is kinda irritating	02:30
KotCzarny	lol	02:30
KotCzarny	grib: treat sd card as hard drive	02:30
KotCzarny	roughly	02:30
GeneralAntilles	but very playable all the same.	02:31
gribouille	how mutch memory should be affected to the virtual memory ?	02:31
GeneralAntilles	128	02:31
KotCzarny	as much as you can	02:31
KotCzarny	:)	02:31
KotCzarny	not bigger than 2x of os mem though	02:32
gribouille	KotCzarny, more than the total ram ?	02:32
KotCzarny	grib: nokia's applet will let you use 128 max i think	02:32
LinuxCode	yeh	02:32
LinuxCode	I think so too	02:32
KotCzarny	but you can always do dd, mkswap and swapon from terminal	02:33
KotCzarny	;)	02:33
gribouille	what is the total capacity of your sd cards ?	02:33
KotCzarny	but it's for linux versed people	02:33
KotCzarny	grib: 4 and 8gb	02:33
KotCzarny	i use 4gb one as my cloned os	02:33
KotCzarny	(no big deal if it dies in the process)	02:34
KotCzarny	:)	02:34
gribouille	KotCzarny, why clone the OS ?	02:34
KotCzarny	for more system disk space	02:34
KotCzarny	that's one reason	02:34
LinuxCode	development	02:34
KotCzarny	to use internal flash as a backup and a quick source of working os that's the second	02:35
gribouille	KotCzarny, do you boot from an flash card ?	02:35
KotCzarny	ie. if i break something badly with app manager i can simply clone it again from internal flash	02:35
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KotCzarny	grib: yes	02:35
KotCzarny	'a'	02:35
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gribouille	and do you mount a flash card on /home/user or do you use the built-in flash ?	02:38
KotCzarny	?	02:38
KotCzarny	i don't use built-in flash	02:38
gribouille	KotCzarny, not at all ?	02:38
KotCzarny	other that space for nolo/kernel/initfs	02:38
KotCzarny	but it's read only all the time and not used after boot	02:39
gribouille	KotCzarny, and your homr dir ?	02:39
gribouille	home	02:39
KotCzarny	on the same volume as /	02:39
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gribouille	KotCzarny, so you put only /boot in ths system flash ?	02:40
KotCzarny	there's no boot	02:41
KotCzarny	i mean it's not visible as fs by default	02:41
gribouille	which dir contains the kernel ?	02:41
KotCzarny	they are on mtdblock device	02:41
KotCzarny	raw	02:41
termsig	KotCzarny: what is yours credit card number and pin?	02:42
KotCzarny	?	02:42
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KotCzarny	termsig: 3782 3198 8347 2883	02:43
KotCzarny	and pin is 2831	02:43
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termsig	KotCzarny: gribouille asking to many qyestion..	02:43
termsig	amex ?	02:43
termsig	;)	02:43
KotCzarny	nope	02:43
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KotCzarny	capital one	02:43
termsig	it's not visa it's not mastercard ;)	02:43
KotCzarny	:)	02:44
termsig	uk one or usa?	02:44
termsig	;P	02:44
KotCzarny	eu	02:44
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termsig	gribouille: u was looking for that software to mount samba share ?	02:46
KotCzarny	'you were'	02:46
gribouille	termsig, not really	02:46
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KotCzarny	http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4397	02:47
KotCzarny	lol	02:47
KotCzarny	ie4??	02:47
gribouille	I try to ssh into my tablet, but since I have reinstalled the os, the keys have changed, so ssh refuses to connect. how can I bypass this ?	02:49
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KotCzarny	read the message	02:49
KotCzarny	:)	02:49
KotCzarny	it tells you what to do	02:49
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termsig	lol - Paypal said some users were still using Internet Explorer 3	02:50
KotCzarny	yeah, i believe there are people that think 'hey, it's an old browser, no one hacks something THAT old'	02:51
KotCzarny	or just click on the 'internet'	02:51
KotCzarny	:)	02:51
termsig	true, but it's no problem of ppl more business because i dont think nobody use ie3 still at home.	02:52
KotCzarny	not true	02:52
KotCzarny	i think there are people that use win3.11	02:52
KotCzarny	or dos	02:52
KotCzarny	:)	02:53
termsig	u thinking about africa or 3rd countrys?	02:53
KotCzarny	nope	02:53
KotCzarny	and don't use 'u'	02:54
KotCzarny	:)	02:54
KotCzarny	i'm thinking about people that got their pcs in the past and never upgraded them	02:54
KotCzarny	because 'it works'	02:55
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termsig	but it's something like 1% and if they have so old pc i dont think so that they using things like pp	02:55
KotCzarny	not true	02:56
gribouille	I wonder what is the use of /cdrom on the tablet	02:56
KotCzarny	paypal is used by online shops, ebay	02:56
KotCzarny	so it's not using paypal in general but online shopping/banking	02:56
KotCzarny	hi pupnik	02:57
termsig	but anaway it's no major problem	02:57
KotCzarny	heh	02:57
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KotCzarny	not true	02:57
KotCzarny	that article is not about ie3/4 but 'unsafe' browsers in general	02:58
KotCzarny	i believe it qualifies as every ie version ;)	02:58
gribouille	where is the kernel image ? on the rom ?	02:58
KotCzarny	grib: nope, on the flash	02:58
gribouille	KotCzarny, in which dir ?	02:59
KotCzarny	read what i have written before	02:59
KotCzarny	it's not on fs	02:59
KotCzarny	(fs == filesystem)	02:59
KotCzarny	it's written to raw flash	02:59
gribouille	KotCzarny, what do you mean with "raw flash" ?	03:00
gribouille	without fs ?	03:00
KotCzarny	how can i put it in another words?	03:00
KotCzarny	can someone help him?	03:00
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termsig	not me ;)	03:02
KotCzarny	grib: anyway, answer is: it's not in the fs, you can't change kernel by replacing a file	03:02
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termsig	gribouille: why u want change something in kernel ?	03:03
KotCzarny	termsig: use 'do' and 'are' words	03:03
KotCzarny	:)	03:03
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KotCzarny	and 'to'	03:04
termsig	KotCzarny: ok, but my english is really bad ;>	03:04
KotCzarny	no problem	03:04
KotCzarny	as long you wan't it to get better ;)	03:04
gribouille	termsig, no, I just want to learn	03:04
KotCzarny	erm.	03:04
KotCzarny	*want	03:04
KotCzarny	:)	03:04
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termsig	ok i will try ;)	03:05
KotCzarny	hi lcuk	03:05
lcuk	hi kot	03:05
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KotCzarny	hmm	03:05
KotCzarny	breakfast time, bbl	03:05
termsig	gribouille: check that http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wizard-mounter/	03:06
lcuk	catch ya tomrrow prob kot	03:06
termsig	KotCzarny: breakfast?	03:06
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LinuxCode	i think lcuk realized theres rubbish on tv	03:13
LinuxCode	;-}	03:13
lcuk	no been hacking at my code	03:15
lcuk	been trying to work out how to split up a whole range of modules but still have them as a closely coupled interrelated set..	03:16
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LinuxCode	;-]	03:21
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smackpotato	anyone actually get mount wizard working	03:37
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gribouille	is it possible to watch wmv videos on the tablet ?	03:40
smackpotato	i think not encripted ones	03:41
smackpotato	bloomberg.com doesnt work	03:41
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gribouille	the product pages states it can display WMV, but it seem overstated	03:46
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gribouille	there are some videos I can see on ubuntu, but not on my tablet	03:59
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smackpotato	have you tied orb	04:00
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gribouille	no, what is it ?	04:01
gribouille	smackpotato, where can I find it ?	04:02
smackpotato	it recasts in flash from a windows desktop	04:02
smackpotato	orb.com	04:02
gribouille	I thought it was an app	04:03
smackpotato	no not a maemo app	04:03
gribouille	is it free ?	04:03
smackpotato	you can view all yor desktop vedeos though	04:03
smackpotato	videos	04:04
rkeene	Has anyone here used 0xFFFF's identify feature on a "config" partition ? Is it supposed to be able to identify that ?	04:04
gribouille	smackpotato, how does it work ?	04:04
smackpotato	version 2 doesent work for me but version1 was great	04:04
smackpotato	your destop is connected to there server, you have a webpage where you can view what is rebroadcast	04:06
smackpotato	there is an open source project that does the same but i forget its name	04:07
gribouille	smackpotato, so I have to install orb on my wondows box ?	04:07
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smackpotato	ya thats an idea i took it off mine though it uses a lot of cycles	04:10
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gribouille	smackpotato, is it possible to use orb without installing it ?	04:12
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smackpotato	no	04:14
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kwan	Hi I recompiled glib to latest and I get the following error ImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open	04:53
kwan	any ideas how to resolve this?	04:53
kwan	File "debian/python2.5-gtk2/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 48, in <module>	04:54
kwan	ImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open	04:54
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johnx	it looks like their might be changes to glib for the device that haven't made their way upstream?	04:59
johnx	or maybe just an API change between the versions of glib you used?	04:59
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kwan	so i used glib 2.16 and copied over the libgobject libgtk libgthread libglib libraries to the n810 from maemo sdk	05:10
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SHADOW6	Y cant i get last fm for canola player.... Anyone els haveing this problem	05:37
SHADOW6	Anyone?	05:37
johnx	you can't install it?	05:40
rkeene	Snoozefest.	05:40
johnx	give us an error message...or something. No one can help you if you just say "I can't get it"	05:41
Navi	Last.fm has been down.	05:43
Navi	Power outages	05:43
Navi	So it won't work 'cuz it isn't up :P	05:44
KotCzarny	heh	05:45
KotCzarny	hehehe	05:45
KotCzarny	now, that's a bug!	05:46
KotCzarny	'last fm doesn't work because last fm server is down'	05:46
johnx	bug #1337: "Canola can't connect to servers that aren't on."	05:46
KotCzarny	resolve: 'kill the user'	05:47
KotCzarny	problem solved.	05:47
KotCzarny	:)	05:47
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smackpotato	is it common knowledge that ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit	06:02
KotCzarny	yup	06:03
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KotCzarny	mine came with plastic 'antenna'	06:03
KotCzarny	at least connector is available on it :)	06:03
briand	3	06:06
WormFood	Can someone point me to an unzip package for os2008? (command line is fine, i don't need a gui)	06:13
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WormFood	never mind, I found it...it was in my list of packages	06:27
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flaviorib	hi people, how can i test my maemo apps without download more than 1gb?	07:14
pupnik_	buy a tablet	07:14
KotCzarny	:>	07:14
flaviorib	huahuauhahuahuahua	07:14
KotCzarny	maybe if you had another armel-hildon device	07:15
KotCzarny	:)	07:15
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ekt	Test.	07:25
KotCzarny	irc: command not found: Test.	07:25
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ekt	Do you know whete to find libart	07:26
KotCzarny	debian.org ?	07:26
KotCzarny	in armel ports	07:26
ekt	Danke	07:27
ekt	arm = armel?	07:32
KotCzarny	no	07:32
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Jsn0327	I am currently trying to partition my internal 2 gig memory card on the n810 using sfdisk	07:39
Jsn0327	I unmounted mmc2, remounted it under sfdisk and typed /dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6	07:40
Jsn0327	i get an error saying "unrecgonized input: 1,15000,6"	07:40
Jsn0327	does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?	07:40
KotCzarny	'remounted undef sfdisk' ?	07:41
KotCzarny	*under	07:41
Jsn0327	yeah sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0	07:41
KotCzarny	i'm just arguing with terminology	07:41
KotCzarny	:)	07:41
KotCzarny	if you want easier task just connect it via usb to pc and run partitioning tool on pc	07:42
KotCzarny	sfdisk is hardcore	07:42
KotCzarny	;)	07:42
Jsn0327	well i'm following instructions and i'm only typing what is in the instructions. I didn't think that i could mess it up that way	07:42
KotCzarny	apparently you could	07:43
KotCzarny	:>	07:43
KotCzarny	because it's not working, right?	07:43
KotCzarny	:)	07:43
Jsn0327	does anyone have anything to say that isn't obvious?	07:44
KotCzarny	[cricket's chirping]	07:44
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ekt	the armel libart on debian it incompatible	07:48
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KotCzarny	hmm	07:48
KotCzarny	ekt: then gronmayer.com/it/	07:48
KotCzarny	or compile it yourself	07:48
ekt	i'm pretty sucky at it. And many other tjings	07:49
ekt	like typing	07:49
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Jsn0327	is a Linux_83 partition the same thing as a ext 3 partition?	07:52
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KotCzarny	yes	07:52
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Navi	Woo, Last.fm is back up	08:11
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lopz	adiós	08:26
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Italodance	what's boring	11:03
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:42
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WormFood	good afternoon Jaffa	11:45
WormFood	its almost 5pm here :P	11:46
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trickie	http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html	13:30
trickie	interesting	13:30
qwerty12	Yeah, I saw the thread on ITT. Be interesting for me actually as I use Ubuntu as main distro.	13:31
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sure if I "get" it	13:31
GeneralAntilles	Is it just another distro's arm port?	13:31
qwerty12	I'm not sure on what will happen to Maemo.	13:32
AStorm	What it deserves	13:32
AStorm	it's junk, really	13:32
AStorm	hack on hack on hack	13:32
AStorm	the only nice thing in it is UI	13:32
GeneralAntilles	The important parts of maemo are already open and available.	13:32
AStorm	like, mce?	13:33
qwerty12	AStorm, in that case, Ubuntu Mobile Edition is your thing :P	13:33
GeneralAntilles	Ubuntu Mobile is still junk at this point.	13:33
AStorm	yup	13:33
qwerty12	True but it has Maemo ui	13:33
AStorm	but it's still more hacky	13:33
GeneralAntilles	Really, AStorm, whatever you may have against maemo and ITOS, there's nothing better on the playing field at the moment.	13:33
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: I know :(	13:34
AStorm	We need gcc 4.3 packaged for ARM	13:34
keesj	In setting up a native build environment, Mojo went to the extent of assembling its own single-board computer around an ARM-based Intel processor.	13:34
AStorm	plus older libstdc++	13:34
GeneralAntilles	It's still a new product niche.	13:34
keesj	?	13:34
GeneralAntilles	Things'll pick up when we get more manpower behind it.	13:34
AStorm	ah, right	13:35
keesj	I did not know that intel also did arm	13:35
AStorm	keesj: sure hey do, XScale	13:35
GeneralAntilles	They've mostly dropped it these days, though.	13:35
GeneralAntilles	Unfortunately.	13:35
AStorm	mhm	13:35
GeneralAntilles	x86 is the mobile field is straight-up shit.	13:35
AStorm	are too busy pushing multi-core and ULV x86	13:36
GeneralAntilles	Shoehorning x86 into something it most certainly wasn't designed for is stupid.	13:36
GeneralAntilles	Better to put your energy into improving something that's already better. :\	13:36
AStorm	it wasn't designed for anything	13:36
AStorm	x86 is hacky too	13:36
GeneralAntilles	But, meh, Intel wasn't a particularly important ARM player anyway.	13:36
AStorm	yup	13:37
GeneralAntilles	x86 really doesn't pull much advantage in an open source environment anyway.	13:39
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trickie	i could see ubuntu mobile converging more with maemo	13:39
trickie	would provide more manpower and infrastructure	13:39
AStorm	hehe	13:39
GeneralAntilles	They're already fairly close.	13:39
AStorm	We want a real input method	13:39
AStorm	e.g. AccessX	13:39
trickie	well even more, poosibly on the nokia/canonical level also	13:40
GeneralAntilles	Really, the entire mobile and embedded space is disturbingly fragmented.	13:40
AStorm	yup	13:40
trickie	im just making stuff up though	13:40
GeneralAntilles	It's really hurting users.	13:40
AStorm	Ubuntu and shuttleworth might unify it	13:40
trickie	i mean ubuntu will ship proprietary stuff it it needs to	13:40
trickie	so will nokia	13:40
AStorm	if they cooperate with Nokia	13:40
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GeneralAntilles	I don't particularly care what, but we need some sort of standard.	13:41
AStorm	trickie: not with Maemo - it's just for one CPU	13:41
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: ARM is the standard	13:41
AStorm	the problems are with peripherials	13:41
GeneralAntilles	Software and library side.	13:41
AStorm	like PowerVR chip	13:41
AStorm	and wifi	13:41
AStorm	Software is close	13:42
AStorm	we have .deb here	13:43
trickie	AStorm: i know, but if that architecture/sub-architecture is also supported by ubuntu mobile, then the gains for maemo users could be big	13:43
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AStorm	yup	13:43
GeneralAntilles	Huh, MontaVista has a version out for OMAP3430	13:43
AStorm	as Maemo is similar to Ubuntu	13:43
trickie	and of course ubuntu mobile would get quite a boost of marketing and manpower	13:43
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: how expensive?	13:44
AStorm	and, do they have a gfx driver and wifi right?	13:44
GeneralAntilles	http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9696858938.html	13:44
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GeneralAntilles	I like this line: The OMAP3430 clocks its core up to 800MHz.	13:44
trickie	GeneralAntilles: mamona is also starting to support it	13:45
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AStorm	I want a new kernel, dammit	13:45
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AStorm	OIf I get the drivers working (with wireless extensions), only sky will be the limit	13:46
AStorm	ah, and ARM cross compiler, but that I already have	13:47
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Gary	anyone know any good sites for themes :p	13:48
GeneralAntilles	maemo.org/downloads	13:49
qwerty12	There's only about 3 themes. Not much.	13:49
GeneralAntilles	Echo is still the best	13:49
GeneralAntilles	Unless you're really into Star Trek	13:49
Gary	I saw a funny star trek stylee theme, but it was a bit ott	13:49
GeneralAntilles	In which case, LCARS is the way to go. :P	13:50
qwerty12	Eww, Star Trek :O	13:50
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* GeneralAntilles goes Veruca Sault for a bit over the N900.		13:52
qwerty12	I'm still undecided over a Pandora or N900. Then again commercial games are my thing so I'll sell my PSP, get a PSP Slim and an N900.	13:53
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, I'm still convinced reusing Pandora code on the N900 is gonna be the way to go.	13:54
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Probably, but is Pandora stuff guaranteed to run on the N900? I know the processor will be same but library differences, buttons etc may be a problem. But I prefer commercial games so Pandora compatibility isn't a high priority for me.	13:56
GeneralAntilles	It'll probably involve some porting	13:56
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GeneralAntilles	but the base architecture is gonna be basically identical	13:56
GeneralAntilles	So porting should be fairly straightforward.	13:56
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qwerty12	Ah, I guess having more games isn't a bad thing :). Of course, I may end up selling my N800 and PSP and getting an N900 and a Pandora.	13:57
qwerty12	I may also be able to sell an broken Pocket PC for $30 :p	13:58
trickie	n900?	13:59
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qwerty12	Let GeneralAntilles fill you in :p	13:59
qwerty12	I don't know much anyway.	13:59
GeneralAntilles	There's no hard data at this point.	14:00
GeneralAntilles	But we can pretty much assume it'll be using the OMAP3430	14:00
Gary	lol, just installed LCARS to see what it was like, OMG, hehehe	14:02
Gary	it's worth it for the giggles	14:02
* Cptnodegard decided to get creative		14:03
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GeneralAntilles	It's more or less perfect.	14:03
Cptnodegard	http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/flowersv1.jpg	14:03
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RST38h	All right, fMSX, Speccy, and VGBA are now available from Extras repository.	14:12
RST38h	(thanks, XFade =))	14:12
GeneralAntilles	Woo	14:13
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WormFood	nice...I take my N800 with me to work today, so I can play with garnet VM on the bus, and forget my stylus at home...good thing I had a toothpick with me to use instead ;)	14:50
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Cptnodegard	use the stylus hodler	14:55
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komputiko	hi	15:31
komputiko	anyone can helps me?	15:31
komputiko	i tried to install kde on my n800	15:32
komputiko	but when i tried to install kde-358.deb, app admin crashed	15:32
komputiko	and now it only says there is no enough memory	15:32
komputiko	and the app list is empty!	15:32
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GeneralAntilles	Did you try installing to the internal flash?	15:37
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komputiko	yes	15:59
komputiko	mmc2 is internal flash	15:59
komputiko	and i tried to install there	15:59
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komputiko	please help me :(	16:00
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cyberholic	hello everyone, tzmee again..... :)	16:19
cyberholic	anyone of you been playing with the google API for a while?	16:19
cyberholic	not one of you? lol	16:20
cyberholic	Ok, then i have a different question: does anyone of you know of some kind of "open contacts" project that i can join?	16:21
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komputiko	anyone installed kde succesfully?	16:42
komputiko	:-\	16:44
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GeneralAntilles	Lots of people	16:47
GeneralAntilles	Have you tried the KDE forum on ITT?	16:47
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MangoFusion	kde? bah, you should install gnome instead	16:51
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mbuf	what is wrong with this code? http://rafb.net/p/ICUKod69.html	16:59
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pH5	mbuf: it just hangs in while(1) instead of starting the gtk/glib main loop	17:06
mbuf	pH5, i don't get any output from location_changed	17:06
mbuf	pH5, ohh! i need to start gtk_main()	17:06
pH5	mbuf: yes :)	17:06
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gribouille	hi	17:10
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mbuf	pH5, i also forgot to do gtk_init (&argc, &argv);	17:12
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smackpotato	is it common knowlage ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit	17:17
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WormFood	counterfeit?	17:21
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gribouille	how can I create partitions on an sd card ?	17:22
GeneralAntilles	Yes, smackpotato, the sizes go in reverse. :P	17:23
GeneralAntilles	rm_you_, you about?	17:23
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smackpotato	the ad@rees was 11.11.11.11	17:25
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komputiko	anyone installed succesfully kde on a n800?	17:26
gribouille	komputiko, good question	17:27
komputiko	:P	17:28
gribouille	if I use an internal sd card for virtual memory, will I lose the files in that card ?	17:28
komputiko	nop	17:28
GeneralAntilles	It just eats up 128MB of space	17:28
GeneralAntilles	It's a little loopback image	17:28
komputiko	only uses 128 MB	17:28
komputiko	it's a "virtual file"	17:28
komputiko	on the SD card	17:29
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gribouille	apt-get install diff : E: Couldn't find package diff	17:44
gribouille	where can I find diff ?	17:45
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komputiko	see in maemo.org	17:48
komputiko	for a repository	17:48
gribouille	the shell is really ugly	17:49
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komputiko	xD	17:49
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GeneralAntilles	When was OS2008 released?	17:58
GeneralAntilles	November 19th or something.	17:58
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MangoFusion	anyone know of any good virtual midi keyboard for a NIT?	18:04
komputiko	anyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error	18:04
gribouille	can someone tell me how to put an internal memory card ?	18:05
freelikegnu	MangoFusion: I swa a vitual kb but it seemed to support only a single octave	18:07
freelikegnu	and I dont think NIT can do multitouch for chords	18:08
freelikegnu	a bluetooth musical kb would be nice :D	18:08
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gribouille	can someone tell me how to insert an internal memory card in the N800 please ?	18:09
GeneralAntilles	Put it in?	18:09
qwerty12	Hehe, opening the battery cover?	18:09
GeneralAntilles	Face the pins towards the device, slide back the latch, slide in the card and hold it in, then slide out the latch.	18:10
qwerty12	Flick up the switch and push in a memory card, click down the switch with the card inserted and close the battery cover.	18:10
MangoFusion	i've kindof got "learn how to play a musical instrument" way down on my todo list and was contemplating whether or not i could make some passable solution with my n800	18:11
MangoFusion	though then again i reckon the screen would be too small and clumsy. probably better getting a real keyboard ;)	18:11
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Cptnodegard	freelikegnu hack this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3705 :P	18:12
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what latch ?	18:12
qwerty12	You are joking?	18:12
GeneralAntilles	The little metal tab that holds the card in.	18:12
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, it's very hard to move	18:13
MangoFusion	looked at those fold-ups, look a bit dodgy to me ;)	18:13
GeneralAntilles	It's designed not to come undone while the device is in use.	18:13
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freelikegnu	Cptnodegard: of course you can always use a QWERTY bt kb :D	18:14
gribouille	ok thanks. it is not written in the manual	18:14
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lopz	hola	18:15
qwerty12	pupnik, you around?	18:16
gribouille	it says there is no internal memory card. isn't mmc2 the internal memory card ?	18:17
qwerty12	Yes, it is.	18:18
gribouille	so how can it say there is no internal mmc card while it has mountd it on /media/mmc2 ?	18:19
qwerty12	I recently "killed" off my internal slot, but I kept taking out the battery and it worked fine. Is the card you put in there working fine? Formatted with FAT (it can be with ext2 but we will say FAT for simplicity at this moment)?	18:19
gribouille	qwerty12, of course	18:20
GeneralAntilles	So, uh, can I talk anybody into expanding my new MicroB article?	18:21
qwerty12	As long as it isn't meanwhile :P	18:21
GeneralAntilles	<_<	18:21
pupnik	back qwerty12	18:22
qwerty12	pupnik, skeen. I got those modules I need to send.	18:23
komputiko	anyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error??	18:23
pupnik	thanks! i ordered the usb adapter yesterday	18:23
gribouille	ok, my problem seems to be soved :-)	18:24
gribouille	solved	18:24
pupnik	qwerty12: downloadable?	18:24
qwerty12	Ah, which webhost?	18:24
pupnik	or emailable?	18:24
qwerty12	I don't mind either way, send me your email over PM or give me a webhost to upload to.	18:24
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qwerty12	Ah skeen, I'll rapidshare it then seeing as you are in Germany.	18:26
qwerty12	pupnik, http://rapidshare.com/files/108749473/rtl8187_linux_26.1010.0622.2006.tar.gz.html	18:26
pupnik	tyty	18:26
qwerty12	I managed to insmod the modules fine with the script Realtek provided. dmesg showed the output was fine.	18:27
komputiko	please, help me :(	18:27
pupnik	komputiko: i have not used kde. go to internettablettalk.com and search for 'kde'	18:27
qwerty12	Some notes though, I dont have the wifi adapter to test on :P, I compiled against a clean Nokia kernel so it should be fine and the Makefile wanted a EHDC (something like that) enabled, when I enabled it in kernel, it would always disable so I removed that EHDC line from the Makefile and it compiled :)	18:28
komputiko	yeahm i tried it, but the only reply founded for my problem is that the files downloaded are not ok, but that isn't	18:28
komputiko	!_!	18:28
qwerty12	komputiko, what exactly is your error message?	18:29
komputiko	when i tried to install local-mm2.deb on a 2gb sd card	18:29
komputiko	it says "impossible to install" when finish	18:29
pupnik	could it be corrupt file? i can download local-mm2.deb and give md5sum of it	18:29
komputiko	mmm ok	18:30
qwerty12	Hmm, go to tools, log and see what it says there.	18:30
pupnik	yes listen to qwerty12	18:30
gribouille	does maemo-mapper work fine for you ?	18:30
pupnik	it is a pita for me to select region to download	18:30
pupnik	and it requires i have gps lock and internet connection during setup	18:31
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pupnik	which means standing out on the street for me	18:31
komputiko	"/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block dispositive (translation by me...)"	18:31
gribouille	pupnik, does it sometimes hang ?	18:31
pupnik	gribouille: downloading the map data?	18:31
pupnik	or when	18:31
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, did you turn on auto-downloading?	18:32
pupnik	i haven't gotten it working yet	18:32
gribouille	pupnik, I'm trying to insert some POIs	18:32
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, of course I do	18:32
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, neither of those things are required.	18:32
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komputiko	"/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block device (translation by me...)"	18:33
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komputiko	it says that	18:33
komputiko	on the log	18:33
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what is auto-downloading exactly ?	18:33
GeneralAntilles	Means it'll download and cache maps as it needs them.	18:33
GeneralAntilles	Without that on, it'll only use cached maps.	18:33
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gribouille	GeneralAntilles, is it a bad thing ?	18:34
GeneralAntilles	No	18:34
GeneralAntilles	You have to have it on to get maps.	18:34
GeneralAntilles	Turn it off if you're in the car, though. ;)	18:34
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, you only need the internet connection to get maps.	18:34
GeneralAntilles	No GPS lock required.	18:34
komputiko	edu@edu-portatil:~$ md5sum local-mmc2.deb 3d15f70086a1b45aaf53a7f5f8ce4891 local-mmc2.deb	18:34
GeneralAntilles	Maemo Mapper would operate 100% fine if it never saw a GPS.	18:34
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what's wrong with the gps ?	18:35
GeneralAntilles	Nothing	18:35
jose	hello	18:36
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB	18:36
jose	I started my first project on garage	18:37
komputiko	hola jose	18:37
jose	I'm excited! :-)	18:37
jose	hola komputiko, nos conocemos? (el mundo es tan pequenyo... :-)	18:37
komputiko	que yo sepa no :P	18:38
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Nice article :), Maybe you could add a section on Plugins and extensions you can add? I'd do it but my English on the web isn't great (despite being born in England and not speaking any other lang :P)	18:38
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	18:38
GeneralAntilles	I'm taking a break. :P	18:38
gribouille	why have the basic commands been stripped down ?	18:38
GeneralAntilles	Because GNUtils is big and bloaty.	18:38
gribouille	can I read the article ?	18:38
GeneralAntilles	Takes RAM and storage.	18:38
jose	http://garage.maemo.org/projects/wiicontrol	18:39
jose	it can be of your interest if you own a wiimote, and you have python 2.5 installed in your NIT	18:39
qwerty12	jose, are you jldiaz on ITT? :)	18:39
Navi	gah, annoying broken certificate	18:39
jose	I am, qwerty12 :-)	18:40
Navi	Ew	18:40
Navi	qwerty12 is annoying	18:40
qwerty12	Aww, why? :P	18:40
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, if you want to find all mentionings of MicroB/Firefox-based/Gecko-based browser in 770, N800, N810, and Maemo for me and link to the article that'd be excellent.	18:40
gribouille	is it possible to use the tablet as remote control ?	18:40
Navi	qwerty12, just kidding :)	18:40
jose	I forgot to change my default irc nickname...	18:40
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, short answer: yes long answer: for what?	18:40
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jldiaz	ah, better now	18:40
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, to control a computer	18:40
pupnik	GeneralAntilles: um. maybe i was wrong about needing a lock.	18:41
GeneralAntilles	You were, pupnik. :P	18:41
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qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, I could try, I'm not doing much else ATM. but i'm not versed on Wikipedia, so I'll send anything I find to you :).	18:41
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, what sort of computer?	18:41
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, here's a nice screenshot on plugins, http://i26.tinypic.com/3166aab.png :P	18:41
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, think of it as an opportunity. ;)	18:41
qwerty12	Navi, :)	18:41
komputiko	i think that install kde is impossible	18:41
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gribouille	GeneralAntilles, a kind of media cente	18:42
gribouille	r	18:42
komputiko	its everythink a joke	18:42
komputiko	from ITT	18:42
jldiaz	gribouille, afaik, the NIT does not have any infrared emisor	18:42
GeneralAntilles	komputiko, there are a ton of people that use it just fine.	18:42
komputiko	i know GeneralAntilles	18:42
komputiko	but i can't get it	18:42
komputiko	:(	18:42
gribouille	I already have an ATI remote wonder II, but it's quite basic	18:42
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GeneralAntilles	gribouille, vnc, remote desktop, ssh, mpd/mmpc, mythtv remote and some sort of web interface are all options.	18:43
gribouille	jldiaz, you can use the wifi network	18:43
qwerty12	komputiko, if you could set the language to English on your IT and post up the exact wording of the error, I could find which command is causing the problem.	18:43
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GeneralAntilles	Remote Wonder isn't basic! :D	18:43
GeneralAntilles	It's just time consuming to set up. ;)	18:43
amr	just got back to using my tablet again	18:43
Navi	GeneralAntilles, I use it all the time	18:43
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, do you have one ?	18:43
Navi	er	18:43
GeneralAntilles	Yessir	18:43
pupnik	i wonder if anyone has made a bluetooth infrared adaptor that you can set in front of a tv	18:43
amr	any known issues with installing canola2 on a 770?	18:43
Navi	gribouille, I use my N800 as a media remote all the time	18:43
RST38h	somebody did	18:43
jldiaz	pupnik I was thinking the same	18:43
RST38h	a moment	18:43
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what apps do you control with it ?	18:44
amr	Navi: the same Navi from Quakenet?	18:44
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Is there a section on wikipedia where you can post suggested edits and get approval by someone else before they make it into the final article?	18:44
gribouille	Navi, how do you do that ?	18:44
Navi	MMPC, mythtv	18:44
GeneralAntilles	Not that I know of, qwerty12.	18:44
RST38h	pupnik: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/ir2bt-infrared-to-bluetooth-converter-now-on-sale-ps3-owners-re/	18:44
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Ah, thanks. I'll make edits that add stuff rather than edit existing stuff as you can easily remove it then.	18:45
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, it keeps a history of all edits	18:45
GeneralAntilles	so if you just say what you did in each edit, it's easy to revert.	18:45
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GeneralAntilles	The maemo articles are pretty much shit right now, so you'd be hard pressed to do anything but make them better. :P	18:46
qwerty12	Hehe	18:46
jldiaz	RST38h, that works the opposite way	18:46
pupnik	RST38h: interesting, but it's backwards of the functino i was th	18:46
Navi	RST38h, looks interesting	18:46
Navi	but yeah, backwards :(	18:47
jldiaz	Mmm... I have a Palm Tungsten T-3	18:47
jldiaz	it does have bluetooth and IR	18:47
jldiaz	so it would be possible to .. hmmm	18:47
RST38h	ah	18:47
jldiaz	the idea is coming to my mind is to have the Palm in front of the TV, receiving the codes from a wiimote via BT, and sending IR commands to the TV	18:48
jldiaz	this would allow to use the wiimte as an universal IR remote	18:49
jldiaz	and you dont need to point it to the tv :-)	18:49
qwerty12	W00T, 7 tries later and I have a wikipedia account >.<	18:49
komputiko	qwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/local.img Input/output error	18:50
komputiko	qwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/swap.img Input/output error	18:50
komputiko	qwerty12: tar removing leading '/' from member names	18:50
komputiko	gzip: short write	18:50
qwerty12	komputiko, that means that your card is corrupting. happens to me all the time. Are you using kernel for faster mmc speed?	18:50
komputiko	mmm nop	18:50
komputiko	original kernel	18:50
komputiko	from nokia	18:50
komputiko	i flashed 2 hours ago	18:51
qwerty12	Hmm, that's odd then. Do you have another card you can try it on?	18:51
komputiko	yes, and i get the same!	18:51
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gribouille	maemo mapper has some problems adding about 35,000 POIs	18:54
qwerty12	komputiko, do you have linux on computer?	18:54
komputiko	yes	18:55
qwerty12	Mount the mmc card by usb and in a terminal, cd to the mount point. Run this and see what it says- dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=2621440	18:55
qwerty12	if it works, tell me and give me 2-5 mins.	18:56
komputiko	ok	18:56
komputiko	wait	18:56
komputiko	because i remove the local.img file	18:57
komputiko	i'll create it again	18:57
qwerty12	you don't need it :)	18:57
komputiko	ah ok	18:57
qwerty12	that dd command will recreate it	18:57
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qwerty12	Man, I hope I haven't damaged my N800 because I've been messing around with the memory cards a lot. Here's to hoping it's just a crap 1gb I have.	18:58
komputiko	hum	18:58
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komputiko	i don't know if i play with the sd cards a lot...	18:58
komputiko	maybe	18:58
komputiko	:(	18:59
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komputiko	what's the use of "dd"?	19:00
Andy80	hi all	19:00
Andy80	does anyne of you use Pluthon plugin for Eclipse?	19:00
qwerty12	komputiko, it makes the local.img which KDE will be stored in	19:00
komputiko	ah ok	19:00
komputiko	but 2621440 is the length?	19:00
komputiko	because now i am using a 2gb card	19:00
gribouille	does anyone know how I can change the color/image of the POIs of one category ?	19:01
qwerty12	Yep, taken from the local file itself.	19:01
komputiko	then i think the file is so big	19:01
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komputiko	1gb...	19:04
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komputiko	qwerty12: edu@edu-portatil:/media/disk-2$ dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=2621440 2621440+0 registros de entrada 2621440+0 registros de salida 1342177280 bytes (1,3 GB) copiados, 534,201 s, 2,5 MB/s	19:06
komputiko	it's done	19:06
qwerty12	It worked fine?	19:06
komputiko	yes	19:06
komputiko	now i think i must do the same with swap.img	19:07
qwerty12	ok, wait a sec	19:07
komputiko	ok	19:07
qwerty12	dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=262144	19:07
qwerty12	oh yeah, are you using mmc1 or mmc2?	19:07
komputiko	mmc2	19:07
komputiko	internal	19:07
qwerty12	Ok, I'll edit the mmc2 file.	19:07
komputiko	ok	19:08
komputiko	then: dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=262144	19:08
qwerty12	Make the swap.img first before my edited mmc2	19:08
komputiko	ok	19:08
komputiko	ooook	19:09
komputiko	it's done	19:09
komputiko	262144+0 registros de entrada 262144+0 registros de salida 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copiados, 39,815 s, 3,4 MB/s	19:09
qwerty12	You have both swap.img and local.img in root of mmc?	19:09
komputiko	yes	19:09
qwerty12	Ok, wait a sec	19:10
komputiko	ok	19:10
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pupnik	qwerty12: did you ever get the module loaded?	19:11
qwerty12	pupnik, yes, dmesg showed fine output. I used the provided script	19:11
pupnik	oh i didn't see the script	19:12
pupnik	insmod: cannot insert 'r8187.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory	19:12
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qwerty12	What? I compiled it against standard kernel source but I'm running custom kernel on my N800	19:12
qwerty12	Damn	19:12
qwerty12	what does dmesg say?	19:12
pupnik	hmm i see wlan0up	19:13
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pupnik	ok wlan0up does load modules	19:13
qwerty12	dmesg should say the rtl module is loaded, if you want to check.	19:14
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qwerty12	komputiko, http://www.mediafire.com/?giy94vbnp0y	19:14
pupnik	yeah works!	19:14
qwerty12	komputiko, Use this local-mmc2 deb	19:14
qwerty12	pupnik, Great :)	19:14
komputiko	ok	19:14
komputiko	im going	19:14
pupnik	just lots of errors, unknown symbols	19:14
pupnik	but it is loading	19:14
komputiko	just put it on the mmc and install, it is?	19:15
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qwerty12	pupnik, does dmesg say anything about case_copy?	19:15
qwerty12	komputiko, yes	19:15
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pupnik	no	19:15
qwerty12	That's odd then, thats the only extra symbol I have in this kernel I have.	19:15
qwerty12	But those modules were compiled against the standard nokia provided kernel. Only difference is that I'm running a custom kernel on my N800.	19:16
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pupnik	i have a slightly different kernel too :/	19:17
pupnik	oprofile krnl	19:17
qwerty12	Not sure on it then, is the source available for one? (I'm a kernel n00b :P), I could compile those modules against one of those then.	19:18
komputiko	qwerty12: impossible to install	19:18
qwerty12	Why :(?	19:18
komputiko	it says...	19:18
pupnik	ah very nice the symbol errors are gone - most of them	19:19
komputiko	it says '/media/mmc2/loca.img is not a special blocks device'	19:19
qwerty12	Not sure then.	19:19
komputiko	it says '/media/mmc2/local.img is not a block special device'	19:20
komputiko	i write you bad	19:20
komputiko	arf :(	19:20
pupnik	http://pastebin.ca/989671 do you get this qwerty12 ?	19:20
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qwerty12	pupnik, no	19:21
komputiko	errors encountered while processing: local-mmc2	19:21
qwerty12	komputiko, I'm not sure then, sorry.	19:21
komputiko	subprocess post-installation script retuned error exit status 1	19:21
komputiko	ok	19:21
komputiko	ty anyway	19:21
komputiko	:-\	19:21
qwerty12	pupnik, wait a second. I'll post my dmesg output.	19:22
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komputiko	qwerty12: i need to install it as root?	19:22
qwerty12	komputiko, application manager installs stuff as root anyway.	19:23
komputiko	ah	19:23
komputiko	ok then	19:23
komputiko	kde 10, komputiko 0	19:23
komputiko	:(	19:23
Ziegle1	Wher can i find some documentat on the 2008 directory structure	19:23
GeneralAntilles	POSIX	19:24
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Ziegle1	I open up the gui file manager and see folders like 'audio clips'	19:24
Ziegle1	Where is that really?	19:25
GeneralAntilles	/home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc	19:25
Ziegle1	Ahhh.. Hiden folder	19:25
Ziegle1	Thanks	19:25
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qwerty12	pupnik, http://pastebin.ca/989680 - my output. I assume you have linux (due to all your ports :P), run the flasher command to boot a kernel (not flash) and see what your output is then.	19:27
qwerty12	^ boot a standard kernel	19:27
pupnik	yup ok	19:28
pupnik	does the tgz have your tweaks?	19:28
pupnik	i assume you changed order of the declaractions to make it C90 compatible?	19:28
pupnik	*source tweaks	19:28
qwerty12	I just applied a patch which made it .24 compatible and it compiled.	19:28
pupnik	ok	19:29
qwerty12	I've left the patches in there (one of them didn't apply)	19:29
qwerty12	In sbox armel target. symlink /lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/ to your kernel source.	19:30
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qwerty12	I also modified the make file to remove the EHDC dependency.	19:30
qwerty12	s/lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build	19:30
qwerty12	http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=r8187 - the page with the original source and the patch.	19:31
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pupnik	good deal... excited for next week :)	19:33
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qwerty12	pupnik, Hehe, is that when it's arriving? :). I'm not, I'm back in school and I haven't done any of the load of homework I got :p	19:33
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pupnik	on the pc, the alfa with the 9db antenna identified several networks i've never seen before	19:36
qwerty12	Wow, if it works, I'd be interested in getting one to hackzor my school's crappy wep network. Then I can go on mytube in class.	19:37
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pupnik	it should be noted that the tx power of the card needs to be lowered with that antenna to stay within legal limits	19:38
pupnik	in .de	19:38
qwerty12	Brilliant, if it has illegal tendencies, that's perfect for me :P. I'll buy one to replace this propriarty (spelling) TI crap wifi card I have. BSOD's my windows and kernelpanics my Linux (ndiswrapper :()	19:39
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mib_k4wceynm	test	19:43
komputiko	qwerty12: i found the solution!	19:43
mib_k4wceynm	Oh my god this works.	19:43
johnx	webirc on your tablet?	19:43
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qwerty12	komputiko, Great!	19:44
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komputiko	the problem is that only runs with english as language	19:46
komputiko	but now i can't install kde-3.5.8.deb	19:46
qwerty12	komputiko, what is your error?	19:46
komputiko	the log only shows repository errors... mmmm	19:47
komputiko	wait	19:47
komputiko	i'll try again	19:47
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komputiko	qwerty12: bzip2:I/O or other error, bailing out. Posible reason follows	19:48
komputiko	bzip2: Input/outup error	19:48
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komputiko	Input file=(stdin) , output file=(stdout)	19:49
qwerty12	it goes back to the card issue then or something. i/o errors are read / write errors etc	19:49
komputiko	'/usr/bin/tar: Unexpeted EOF in archive'	19:49
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komputiko	uhum	19:50
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MangoFusion	man, i hate it when i make the mistake of trying to remove scratchbox by rm -rf	19:57
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MangoFusion	doh	19:57
gribouille	I find the videos on youtube are quite jerky on my tablet	19:57
gribouille	is it the same on yours ?	19:58
MangoFusion	if you view them directly on youtube.com, sure	19:58
MangoFusion	i usually just use the youtube plugin in canola which is infinitely better	19:59
gribouille	what is canola ?	20:00
qwerty12	<.<	20:00
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qwerty12	http://openbossa.indt.org.br/	20:00
jldiaz	gribouille you can also download them with the script youtube-dl, and view them with mplayer	20:02
qwerty12	jldiaz, mytube does that in a nice interface :)	20:03
gribouille	jldiaz, how can I get the script ?	20:03
jldiaz	qwerty12, you are right :-)	20:03
jldiaz	however, I use the script in my linux box, and then transfer the .swf to my NIT	20:03
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gribouille	what does mytube do ?	20:10
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jldiaz	it uses youtube-dl and mplayer, through a nice gui	20:15
jldiaz	it allows for searches and downloads from youtube	20:15
jldiaz	and then uses mplayer to see the videos	20:15
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gribouille	all I get with canola is "Unable to reslvr url"	20:19
gribouille	but my connection is working	20:19
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komputiko	anyone knows why i get an input/output error with my SD cards	20:58
komputiko	-0	20:58
komputiko	?	20:59
Navi	Corrupted fs?	21:00
komputiko	i dont know	21:03
komputiko	i formated it many times	21:03
komputiko	and i tried other one	21:03
komputiko	and gets the same	21:03
komputiko	the error hangs when trying to install kde	21:03
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term-sig	read/write mode?	21:05
komputiko	reading dmesg i think that's the problem	21:06
komputiko	but i don't active the read only mode	21:06
komputiko	mmcb1k0: error 1 sending read/write command	21:06
komputiko	any ideas?	21:07
term-sig	ok can u open xterm and try write something on that card?	21:07
komputiko	something like create a file?	21:07
term-sig	u trying install kde as root or user?	21:07
term-sig	ype, try touch dupa	21:07
term-sig	;)	21:07
komputiko	yes, i tam trying to install kde...	21:08
komputiko	i will try as root >_<	21:08
Italodance	hrw ????? still gone?????	21:09
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komputiko	term-sig: now i cant remove the kde-mm2 package	21:14
komputiko	:-\	21:14
komputiko	i tried find /var -name kde-mmc2* \| xargs rm -rf	21:14
komputiko	but nothing	21:14
komputiko	any ideas¿	21:15
term-sig	u use apt-get or what to download package?	21:15
term-sig	used.	21:16
komputiko	i download it by a page	21:16
komputiko	and i tried to unistall it under the app manager	21:16
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komputiko	i am trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde	21:17
komputiko	but it fails when install the kde-mmc2 package	21:17
komputiko	and know, i can't unistall o reinstall it	21:17
Jaffa	re	21:17
term-sig	komputiko: try apt-get upgrade and check that u dont have any problems..	21:20
komputiko	ok	21:20
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gribouille	the python package has been stripped off of all its files. where are they ?	21:21
komputiko	ok term-sig, he comes the bzip2: Input/Output error	21:22
komputiko	usr/bin/tar: unexècted EOF in archive	21:23
komputiko	:(	21:23
term-sig	komputiko: can u try tar zxvf that kde.tgz file ?	21:26
term-sig	maybe file is corrupted	21:26
komputiko	mmm	21:26
komputiko	i check the size of the file	21:26
komputiko	but i havent got the md5sum	21:27
komputiko	anyone have this file? KDE358.tar.bz2	21:27
term-sig	komputiko: just try untar it on card..	21:29
komputiko	yes term-sig	21:29
komputiko	but	21:29
kwan	Does anybody know if Maemo OS2008 might be upgraded with glib 2.14 or 2.16 soon?	21:29
komputiko	its about 300 mb	21:29
komputiko	i have not enough space xD	21:29
komputiko	i can try to decompress it on my laptop	21:29
komputiko	wait	21:29
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Tu13es	hmm	21:30
Tu13es	I gave my n800 to my gf because I wasn't using it much	21:31
Tu13es	so, she gave me her old n770 to me	21:31
Tu13es	what to do with it?	21:31
komputiko	install kde, like me	21:31
komputiko	if you can	21:31
komputiko	xD	21:31
Tu13es	heh	21:31
GeneralAntilles	Pretty much the same thing you'd do with the N800	21:31
GeneralAntilles	Except slower.	21:31
Tu13es	I'm trying to figure out some use for it, maybe an alarm clock or something	21:31
GeneralAntilles	It's probably the greatest ebook reader on the planet.	21:31
Tu13es	I've got my iTouch for that :P	21:32
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GeneralAntilles	iTouch is a pretty mediocre ebook reader.	21:32
GeneralAntilles	Doesn't have the dpi.	21:33
komputiko	term-sig: the file is well extracted	21:33
komputiko	:(	21:33
Tu13es	yeah, but I don't do a lot of ebook reading	21:33
term-sig	komputiko: can u try use dpkg instead application manager?	21:33
GeneralAntilles	Media remote? Couch browser? GPS?	21:34
komputiko	yeah, i tried it, with the same result	21:34
term-sig	it's only one thing, they should sell it with some small edge/hdspa modem.	21:34
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term-sig	komputiko: dunno what it can be wrong..	21:35
komputiko	:(	21:35
komputiko	ok, ty anyway	21:35
Tu13es	mm, media remote might be good	21:35
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term-sig	komputiko: try download any other deb and install it in this same way..	21:36
komputiko	i tried that many times :(	21:37
flo_lap	re	21:37
komputiko	i think that something is brong on my n800	21:37
komputiko	*wront	21:37
komputiko	*wrong	21:38
term-sig	then backup al info and reflash system.	21:38
term-sig	i had similar problem with kismet	21:38
komputiko	hehe yes, i flashed 4 times today	21:38
term-sig	and it's still this same problem ?	21:39
komputiko	yes, the same	21:39
komputiko	input output error	21:39
term-sig	n810 or n800 ?	21:39
gribouille	has anyone already done X forwarding from another computer ? I tried ssh -X, but with no result	21:39
komputiko	n80	21:39
komputiko	n800	21:39
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term-sig	u try with diff card? maybe u card it's fucked?	21:40
komputiko	with 2 cards	21:40
thiagoss	Does anyone know where is this function: "hildon_g_scanner_cache_open"	21:40
term-sig	try diff ones, because for me it's looks like problems with cards.	21:41
term-sig	ok, time for beer ;)	21:41
komputiko	hehe	21:41
komputiko	ty term-sig	21:41
GeneralAntilles	Oh, that's sweet.	21:42
GeneralAntilles	Anybody see the USB VGA adaptor post on maemo-users?	21:42
Jaffa	Yeah, gcobb's looking for a hand	21:42
GeneralAntilles	That would make for a seriously badass presentation device.	21:43
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komputiko	anyone knows if there is a way to decompres a file.tar.bz2 into a .img	21:48
KotCzarny	yes	21:48
komputiko	mmm how?	21:49
komputiko	the fact is if i try to do it on my n800 i get's allways a i/o error 2 at minutes	21:49
KotCzarny	1/ make .img, 2/ create fs on it, 3/ mount it via loopback, 4/ uncompress archive to it	21:49
komputiko	so	21:49
komputiko	i can do that on my laptop?	21:49
KotCzarny	yes	21:49
komputiko	and then pass the img	21:49
komputiko	ok	21:49
KotCzarny	just mount the card in laptop	21:50
komputiko	ty	21:50
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KotCzarny	(via usb or other reader)	21:50
komputiko	yes	21:50
komputiko	and now?	21:50
komputiko	mount...	21:50
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komputiko	how can i mount a .img?	21:52
KotCzarny	mount -o loop file.img somedir	21:52
komputiko	ok	21:53
KotCzarny	don't forget to umount it later	21:53
komputiko	ok	21:53
KotCzarny	with umount -d	21:53
komputiko	ty	21:53
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komputiko	arf arf	21:54
komputiko	and now	21:54
komputiko	how can i decompess a .tar.bz2 file?	21:54
komputiko	tar xvzf ?	21:55
KotCzarny	tar -xjvf	21:55
Navi	tar xvjf	21:55
Navi	no hyphen	21:55
komputiko	ok	21:55
komputiko	ty	21:55
KotCzarny	navi: gnutar allows hyphen	21:55
KotCzarny	see man page	21:55
Navi	allows it, but really useless :P	21:55
KotCzarny	no, leaving hyphen out it probably against POSIX	21:56
KotCzarny	what if you had a file named xvjf ?	21:56
Navi	It's an extra character to type with no gains except for very specific and unlikely situations	21:57
KotCzarny	you have never tried writing a program then	21:57
KotCzarny	:)	21:57
KotCzarny	and no, it's not very specific situation	21:57
komputiko	mmm i get file not found	21:58
komputiko	but i mounted ok the .img	21:58
Navi	I'm not talking from the development side, I'm talking from the user extraction side	21:58
komputiko	because i am seeing the content	21:58
KotCzarny	navi: users are idiots, usually	21:58
Navi	I'm haven't said it shouldn't be included, just that it's unneeded most of the time	21:58
KotCzarny	programmers sometimes too	21:58
KotCzarny	:)	21:58
komputiko	thanks for that	21:58
komputiko	xD	21:58
KotCzarny	navi: it's inconsistent	21:59
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KotCzarny	firefox 2.0.0.14	22:02
KotCzarny	:)	22:02
komputiko	anyones have the kde.tar.bz2 file? and can tell me the md5sum :P	22:03
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komputiko	how can i see the source of a .deb?	22:10
komputiko	or i can't	22:10
komputiko	oh i think i cant xD	22:10
KotCzarny	apt-get source file.deb	22:10
komputiko	ah okkkk	22:11
komputiko	but	22:11
komputiko	i don't get it with aptget	22:11
komputiko	i downloaded it	22:11
KotCzarny	:)	22:11
komputiko	i downloaded it of a website	22:12
komputiko	the .deb	22:12
komputiko	._.	22:12
KotCzarny	then look for the sources on that site	22:12
KotCzarny	or just on debian.org	22:12
KotCzarny	:)	22:12
komputiko	the fact is	22:12
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komputiko	it is kde-3.5.8.deb xD!	22:12
KotCzarny	you don't want to see the source of that..	22:12
KotCzarny	:)	22:12
komputiko	yes	22:12
komputiko	http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde	22:12
komputiko	because	22:12
KotCzarny	it's big	22:13
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KotCzarny	:)	22:13
komputiko	nono, but is not kde	22:13
komputiko	its the .deb that copy kde.tar.bz2 into a local.img	22:13
komputiko	but i like to see	22:13
KotCzarny	ar x kde-3.5.8.deb	22:13
komputiko	if that .deb makes something more	22:13
komputiko	ar x?	22:13
pupnik	archive extract	22:14
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komputiko	ah	22:14
komputiko	ok	22:14
komputiko	ty then	22:14
komputiko	;)	22:14
KotCzarny	hi pupnik	22:14
pupnik	ar is a command	22:14
pupnik	hi	22:14
KotCzarny	pirrrate command	22:14
KotCzarny	ar arr	22:14
komputiko	haha	22:14
pupnik	>_<	22:14
komputiko	i dont get any result with ar x kde.deb	22:20
komputiko	:-\	22:21
komputiko	any idea?	22:21
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KotCzarny	ls -l	22:21
KotCzarny	:)	22:21
komputiko	yes xD	22:21
komputiko	i am at the correct directory	22:21
KotCzarny	it won't show any output	22:22
KotCzarny	it simply unpacks the .deb	22:22
komputiko	ahhh ok	22:22
komputiko	:P	22:22
pupnik	man, the icanhascheezburger.com dudes were able to quit their day job	22:22
KotCzarny	lol	22:23
KotCzarny	link?	22:23
pupnik	dunno, just read an article about it in the paper a few months back	22:23
KotCzarny	lol@random thoughts	22:23
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komputiko	ok, kde wins, it's impossible for me	22:29
komputiko	install it	22:29
komputiko	>_<	22:29
KotCzarny	:)	22:29
KotCzarny	maybe your card just don't like fast writes	22:30
komputiko	yes, i think that	22:30
komputiko	but i tried with a class 6 card	22:30
KotCzarny	i assume both are the same brand?	22:30
komputiko	and same problem	22:30
komputiko	yes	22:31
KotCzarny	;)	22:31
komputiko	but i think i am not a lucky men	22:31
komputiko	*man	22:31
KotCzarny	you can try custom kernel	22:32
komputiko	what i'll get?	22:32
KotCzarny	maybe faster speeds	22:32
KotCzarny	maybe fewer/more problems	22:32
komputiko	where can i found it? :P	22:32
KotCzarny	ask qwerty12	22:33
komputiko	ok	22:33
KotCzarny	he is the kamikaze modder here	22:33
KotCzarny	:)	22:33
komputiko	jjajaja	22:33
komputiko	yes i know	22:33
pupnik	http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-from-yonder-window-breaks/ heh, 'shakespeare ape'	22:37
pupnik	tis the east, and Juliet is the sun!	22:37
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GeneralAntilles	Ha	22:43
pupnik	KotCzarny http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=998230	22:43
KotCzarny	it's fur is not black	22:44
KotCzarny	nice green eyes though	22:45
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KotCzarny	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_accidents_and_incidents#Near-fatalities	22:46
KotCzarny	:)	22:46
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RST38h	Kot: How about this one: http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/gal/begemot3.jpg ?	22:57
KotCzarny	better, but i prefer this one: http://localhost/KotCzarny.jpg	22:57
KotCzarny	erm	22:57
KotCzarny	http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/KotCzarny.jpg	22:57
KotCzarny	:)	22:57
RST38h	looks severely underfed	22:58
KotCzarny	just an illusion	22:58
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KotCzarny	\|> Limbo - Tetrium (Psytisfaction 2)	23:05
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pupnik	hah wow	23:18
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lcuk	hum	23:24
* lcuk broked his network		23:25
KotCzarny	you're still there	23:25
KotCzarny	:)	23:25
lcuk	this machine is, but nothing inside my lan or vmware is	23:25
KotCzarny	heh	23:26
KotCzarny	tear everything down, and restart from scratch :)	23:26
komputiko	ok, now when installing kde again, i get a crash: rm:cannot remove /etc/nss_mdns.conf: no such file or directory	23:26
KotCzarny	or just install some router :)	23:26
komputiko	:(	23:26
komputiko	any idea?	23:26
KotCzarny	nope	23:27
lcuk	komputiko, you dont need to remove a single file if its not there :D	23:27
komputiko	yes, that is what i think	23:27
komputiko	but	23:27
KotCzarny	and script was written without error handling :)	23:27
lcuk	is this an install script?	23:27
komputiko	i can't install kde !_!	23:27
komputiko	it's a .deb	23:27
KotCzarny	someone should prepare kde image of the running os	23:27
KotCzarny	:)	23:27
* lcuk shouldnt really be typing now, ive had a massive migraine all day		23:28
komputiko	yes, i think so	23:28
* KotCzarny had a migraine but it's ok now		23:28
* lcuk made purple sick :S		23:28
KotCzarny	purple?	23:28
lcuk	vimto	23:28
KotCzarny	vimto?	23:28
KotCzarny	O.o	23:28
* KotCzarny apparently lost his verbal skills		23:29
lcuk	whatever wanted out of me was apparantly below what i drunk before bed :S	23:29
* lcuk unwinds his dietary stack		23:29
KotCzarny	:)	23:30
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Grackle	at least you're not doing a dietary stack swap	23:30
komputiko	anyone that succesfully installed kde on a n800, please help me!!!	23:30
lcuk	if this damned network hadnt broked i could have done some testing of the turbo thing	23:30
KotCzarny	lcuk: what's the problem ?	23:30
lcuk	komputiko, i dont think many have done, may be best looking on ITT and see whaty people posted there	23:30
komputiko	yes, i search for hours	23:31
komputiko	and nothing	23:31
komputiko	:-\	23:31
komputiko	something that appears simple	23:31
komputiko	is impossible on my n800	23:31
lcuk	nothing, i just incorporated app_turbo_...() functions and stuff before realising that the changes i made earlier to the network meant i couldnt test anything	23:31
lcuk	and then just went to bed	23:31
KotCzarny	i was asking about network	23:32
KotCzarny	:)	23:32
pupnik	komputiko: could you ar x the .deb file that seems broken?	23:32
komputiko	not, is perfect	23:33
komputiko	i test it	23:33
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komputiko	i do that before	23:33
lcuk	i changed ad-hoc network from unsecured to using wep. nothing else changed, all fixed ips should remain valid and dns etc all pointing at this machine but i just cant see the tablet any more on the net	23:33
lcuk	810 should respond to ping shouldnt it?	23:33
KotCzarny	yes	23:33
pupnik	yes	23:33
lcuk	thought so, its just gone	23:33
KotCzarny	but tablet can ping others?	23:33
lcuk	tablet can ping this machine 10.0.0.1 but nothing else	23:34
pupnik	komputiko: i don't have kde on tablet, and i don't understand what is not working for you	23:34
lcuk	my mistake - it can get dns and outside world stuff	23:34
KotCzarny	0.1 is the router or pc?	23:34
lcuk	this pc, there is no router up here	23:34
komputiko	input/output errors!	23:34
komputiko	from my sd card	23:34
pupnik	that's possible. there is also a file download corruption bug in older kernels	23:35
komputiko	i flashed with the newest os 2008 kernel	23:35
KotCzarny	lcuk: can't think of anything	23:36
KotCzarny	try hostap ?	23:36
lcuk	ill start from scratch again - i seem to recall having similar issues at the start	23:36
KotCzarny	just get wrt54g :>	23:37
lcuk	on a side note, ive managed to get the laptop fan working and tested a few things, battery lasts 2 hours unplugged and wifi does work :)	23:37
KotCzarny	(but keep away from a version with less than 4mb of flash)	23:37
KotCzarny	:)	23:37
KotCzarny	2h? huhu	23:37
lcuk	2hours for a 4 year old laptop is quite reasonable	23:38
KotCzarny	ah, yes	23:38
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KotCzarny	i have thought it was new :)	23:38
lcuk	its enough to be usable	23:38
lcuk	my missus gave me the "if i spend hundreds of pounds on shoes you would freak" lecture and i found an alternative to buying a new laptop..	23:39
KotCzarny	:>	23:39
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lcuk	besides, im glad i did - the day after i decided against getting an eee the new ones were released	23:39
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lcuk	announced^	23:40
KotCzarny	yes, old thinkpads go pretty cheap off-lease	23:40
pupnik	old laptops are fine for me too	23:40
MangoFusion	there's nothing like a nice shiny new laptop straight out of the packaging though, imo	23:40
KotCzarny	heh	23:40
lcuk	this one is for me - its got a pair of horizontal dead pixel lines, but im not gonna dive inside and check the wiring	23:40
KotCzarny	paying 100%-200% more for a carton package and a piece of plastic foil isn't wise	23:41
KotCzarny	i think	23:41
pupnik	what model?	23:41
lcuk	MangoFusion, i would gladly take a new laptop, ill PM you my address	23:41
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lcuk	http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/Toshiba_Satellite_Pro6100_dismantle_1.htm	23:41
lcuk	toshiba sat pro 6100	23:41
lcuk	and just look at the disassembly, it would make obi-wan-laptopi scared	23:42
KotCzarny	at least it has trackpoint	23:42
KotCzarny	:)	23:42
lcuk	no it doesnt	23:42
KotCzarny	from pics it has	23:42
KotCzarny	http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/disassembly/big/Toshiba-Satellite-6100-dismantle-07.jpg	23:42
MangoFusion	twist the screen around	23:42
MangoFusion	add a touch pad	23:42
MangoFusion	and hey presto	23:42
lcuk	yes technically it has a nobble, but its as useful as a chocolate fireguard	23:42
MangoFusion	the n900	23:42
KotCzarny	ah, no driver?	23:42
lcuk	hmm, doubt it, the buttons work	23:43
lcuk	but the nipple is dead	23:43
KotCzarny	hmm	23:43
KotCzarny	i believe it should work	23:43
lcuk	its not a big deal i hate them anyway	23:43
lcuk	yer it worked on the other one i tested	23:43
KotCzarny	unless it's dead on the hw level	23:43
lcuk	but i took the one which it wouldnt matter if i reformatted it or broke it	23:43
lcuk	there were 2 identical ones	23:44
KotCzarny	:)	23:44
KotCzarny	i like trackpoints	23:44
KotCzarny	the don't distract my typing	23:44
KotCzarny	if i need to move a window etc.	23:44
lcuk	im not bothered - i just need something so when im in germany if something crops up i can code on the go	23:44
KotCzarny	don't forget to remove 'designed for windows' stickers	23:45
KotCzarny	:)	23:45
lcuk	i would prefer to get proper full gcc working but i doubt in the time im there i can get reliable dev work done in time	23:45
lcuk	look on the guide i posted, there are about 700 stickers underneath	23:45
KotCzarny	lcuk: just give me root access	23:45
KotCzarny	:)	23:46
lcuk	to what? the 810 or the lap	23:46
KotCzarny	to the place where you need gcc	23:46
SamuelDr	I wonder, has there already been someone who attempted to "port" the tango icon set to chinook?	23:47
kwan	Can anybody get latest glib and gtk integrated into maemo? with hildon patches?	23:47
kwan	or is there anyway to find hildon patches for latest glib or gtk?	23:47
lcuk	right, gonna try and get networking running	23:48
lcuk	back later chaps :)	23:48
KotCzarny	go go	23:48
KotCzarny	:)	23:48
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