IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-04-18

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unixSnob	i'm so glad that big NIT banner was removed from internettablettalk.com.. that thing was an eyesore, and blocked buttons on small screens	01:14
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NOCmadman	is there any easyway to setup scratchbox in windows using andlinux as my laptop does not play well with linux	01:57
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wnd	NOCmadman, use vmware and ready-made hard drive image that contains a copy of gnu/linux and that has scratchbox installed. don't ask me more, I never tried or saw it myself. I only know that such image exists somewhere.	02:01
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unixSnob	http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7087 <= That's a good power to USB cable.. I just tested it to make sure it works, if anyone is interested. $7 shipped.	02:07
unixSnob	it works on the n800	02:07
NOCmadman	yea i was gona do that but i do alot of things remotly ad vmware dont like logmein plust the only vmware image i found was very outdated if i could find a newer one that would work great. does anyone know the link to a current image ?	02:11
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gribouille	hi	02:12
gribouille	I've just installed openssh-server on my Nokia N800, but I can't ssh to it. what's wrong ?	02:13
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gribouille	can someone help me please ?	02:17
KotCzarny	can you ping it?	02:17
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gribouille	KotCzarny, yes	02:18
KotCzarny	nmap ?	02:18
gribouille	KotCzarny, why nmap ?	02:19
gribouille	22/tcp open ssh	02:19
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KotCzarny	then ssh -v (or -d)	02:20
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gribouille	KotCzarny, Permission denied, please try again.	02:20
KotCzarny	permission denied to what?	02:21
gribouille	KotCzarny, but when I ssh from my N800 (with the same password), it works fine	02:21
KotCzarny	then your windows/firewall/network seems broken	02:22
gribouille	KotCzarny, when ssh asks the passqord	02:22
KotCzarny	or you have simply mistype the pass	02:22
KotCzarny	:)	02:22
KotCzarny	sudo password (on device)	02:22
gribouille	ok	02:22
KotCzarny	or any other mean to reset the pass	02:22
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\|thunder	Install putty	02:23
\|thunder	Will make ssh magiically work	02:23
KotCzarny	'install' is a big word	02:23
KotCzarny	;)	02:24
gribouille	KotCzarny, it still doesn't work	02:24
\|thunder	As a client	02:24
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KotCzarny	gribouille: i can't think of anything other than some trivial mistake	02:24
gribouille	KotCzarny, where does ssh log its activity ?	02:24
KotCzarny	usually to /var/log/secure	02:25
\|thunder	- /etc/init.d/ssh restart	02:25
KotCzarny	but syslogd is missing	02:25
KotCzarny	you will have to install it	02:25
KotCzarny	you can try running sshd directly	02:25
KotCzarny	with -d flag	02:25
KotCzarny	that will not detach it from console and print some debug messages	02:26
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gribouille	KotCzarny, but sshd is already running	02:26
KotCzarny	then also add -p 22222	02:26
KotCzarny	and test it on another port	02:27
lcdd	gribouille: are you logging in as user 'user'?	02:29
KotCzarny	ah	02:29
KotCzarny	good point	02:29
KotCzarny	:)	02:29
KotCzarny	try root@n800ip	02:29
KotCzarny	:)	02:29
gribouille	lcdd, no, as root	02:29
gribouille	KotCzarny, ok, it works now. yhanks	02:30
KotCzarny	hmm	02:30
KotCzarny	what was wrong?	02:30
gribouille	KotCzarny, typo ;-(	02:30
KotCzarny	lol	02:31
KotCzarny	as i said, something trivial :)	02:31
gribouille	what happens if I forget root's password ?	02:31
KotCzarny	you reset it with sudo	02:31
KotCzarny	or maybe reinstalling ssh server will ask again	02:32
KotCzarny	you can try using permanent marker too	02:32
KotCzarny	;)	02:32
gribouille	KotCzarny, what's that ?	02:32
KotCzarny	http://www.chinatraderonline.com/Files/Gifts-and-Crafts/Pen/White-Board-Maker/Permanent-Marker-23302120203.jpg	02:33
KotCzarny	:)	02:33
gribouille	ah, good idea ;-)	02:33
gribouille	I have problems figuring out what memory/storage there is in an out-of-the-box N800	02:35
gribouille	that's my first Internet tablet	02:35
KotCzarny	128mb sdram, 256mb flash, 2x sdhc slot	02:35
termsig	but u can check with top command and df	02:35
KotCzarny	top is.. complicated	02:36
KotCzarny	;)	02:36
termsig	now it's really easy ;)	02:36
gribouille	where is the OS stored ?	02:36
KotCzarny	on the flash	02:36
KotCzarny	but you can clone it to the sd card and boot/run from there	02:37
termsig	but u can boot from card.	02:37
termsig	uh, lag ;)	02:37
gribouille	the flash is /dev/mtdblock4, right ?	02:37
KotCzarny	yes	02:37
gribouille	so, my sdhc card is mounted on /media/mmc1 ?	02:38
KotCzarny	depending in which slot it is	02:39
termsig	and mmc2	02:39
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termsig	if i`m not wrong mmc2 it's inside and mmc1 it's outside card.	02:39
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gribouille	is /home/user on the flash ?	02:40
termsig	yes.	02:41
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gribouille	ok, I see clearly now	02:41
KotCzarny	:)	02:41
gribouille	do you have N800 or N810 ?	02:42
KotCzarny	n800	02:42
termsig	n810	02:42
termsig	:>	02:42
KotCzarny	(first again)	02:42
KotCzarny	;)	02:42
gribouille	KotCzarny, do you miss a physical keyboard ?	02:43
KotCzarny	hmm	02:43
KotCzarny	sometimes	02:43
KotCzarny	but not that much	02:43
Mousey	why can't i get canola2 to connect to last.fm?	02:43
Mousey	something about my system time	02:43
KotCzarny	i have bt kb	02:43
KotCzarny	and there are some replacement osk too	02:43
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gribouille	osk ?	02:44
termsig	gribouille: n810 keyboard it's not so nice too..	02:44
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gribouille	termsig, why ?	02:44
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termsig	because it's really small and if somone have big fingers it's really hard to write quick.	02:44
KotCzarny	or long finger nails	02:45
KotCzarny	;)	02:45
gribouille	what do you use you tablet for ?	02:45
termsig	it's not my problem ;P	02:45
KotCzarny	media player, web browser, games, ssh sometimes	02:45
KotCzarny	fun gadget to use on the go	02:46
KotCzarny	for the places where getting out laptop isn't so convenient	02:46
gribouille	does anyone know if bash is available ?	02:46
termsig	yes.	02:46
termsig	bash3	02:46
gribouille	where ?	02:46
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KotCzarny	probably, but it's advised not to use it as a default sh	02:47
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gribouille	why ?	02:47
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termsig	apt-get mate.	02:47
KotCzarny	only thing that i can think of is that scripts were tested only with busybox's shell	02:47
KotCzarny	and memory requirements	02:47
KotCzarny	:)	02:47
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* Mousey loves the n810 keyboard		02:48
* Mousey didn't by the n800 cuz it didn't have a keyb		02:49
\|thunder	800 under 200$ nib	02:49
* KotCzarny bought n800 because it was 3x cheaper than n810		02:49
KotCzarny	and i'm thinking that 800 is superior to 810	02:50
Mousey	...there's that	02:50
KotCzarny	but it's only my opinion	02:50
Mousey	i'm thinking you're crazy ;)	02:50
KotCzarny	:)	02:50
Mousey	but	02:50
Mousey	i'm gonna get an n800 to, and use it for usb storage	02:50
KotCzarny	everyone has different needs	02:50
Mousey	64gb solid state storage tablet!! w00t!!	02:50
\|thunder	Same hardware minnus the gps	02:50
termsig	guys it's depence.. for what u using u n8x0	02:50
KotCzarny	mousey: or more, if sd goes up	02:50
KotCzarny	yup	02:51
\|thunder	64gb ???????	02:51
Mousey	hey, has anyone gotten their SD cards to format as ext2/3?	02:51
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KotCzarny	no reason to argue which one is better	02:51
Mousey	\|thunder: yea 2x 32gb cards	02:51
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Mousey	i like microUSB, i hate miniSD	02:51
KotCzarny	mousey: wanna see my clone script?	02:51
KotCzarny	i like full sized sd	02:51
KotCzarny	:)	02:51
Mousey	me too	02:51
termsig	32Gb is out?	02:51
\|thunder	Musy, ii have. use ext2, ext3 will kill a sd card	02:51
KotCzarny	termsig: yes	02:51
Mousey	termsig: yea, good luck finding it tho	02:51
KotCzarny	but expensive	02:51
KotCzarny	~150$ for card	02:52
RedPenguin	Anyone know what's going on, I can hear sound on my N810's speakers nice and loud but when I plug in the headphones I can barely hear	02:52
KotCzarny	thunder: give me proof :)	02:52
\|thunder	How ??	02:52
KotCzarny	redpenguin: probably it's for health reasons	02:52
termsig	i saw 16Gb for 95 quid	02:52
termsig	Kot	02:52
KotCzarny	hmm	02:52
KotCzarny	let me check	02:52
termsig	KotCzarny: any website for 32Gb?	02:52
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KotCzarny	i saw them on newegg some time ago	02:53
\|thunder	EXt3 is journaled, that kills solid state	02:53
KotCzarny	thunder: not true	02:53
\|thunder	J	02:53
Mousey	\|thunder: yea, ext2 would be what i used	02:53
Mousey	i'd LOVE to use LVM	02:53
RedPenguin	there's a button it seems like on the headphones, or is that just nothing? Right around where I guess it's the mic?	02:53
\|thunder	It works great for me	02:53
KotCzarny	i'm using ext3 on sd and cf for quite a long time already	02:54
KotCzarny	and no bbs observed, yet	02:54
KotCzarny	:)	02:54
KotCzarny	(long time: 1-2 years)	02:54
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KotCzarny	http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4226541&JRSource=googlebase.datafeed.PAN+RPSDV32GU1K	02:55
KotCzarny	heh	02:55
\|thunder	Kot, the problem is that e ery time you write to the part, th journal is updated, doubling your writes. What do you see as being the advantage of 3 over 2 ??	02:55
KotCzarny	ok, i probably saw 150$ on 16gb card	02:55
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KotCzarny	:)	02:55
KotCzarny	thunder: yeah, double writes, but, how long it will last?	02:56
termsig	KotCzarny: 16Gb max on newgg for sdhc cards..	02:56
\|thunder	KotCzarny: half as long as it coulc, obviously	02:57
KotCzarny	thunder: and how long it is?	02:57
KotCzarny	10 years?	02:57
KotCzarny	:)	02:57
KotCzarny	150?	02:57
\|thunder	Thats not the point. The point is there is no afvantage	02:57
derf	One write to a journal sector can encompass _many_ writes to other sectors.	02:57
KotCzarny	by the time you reach your first bb you would be using some other technology	02:57
derf	I doubt it's anywhere near a 2:1 ratio.	02:58
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* lcuk installed ubuntu proper on proper real hardware tonight		02:58
KotCzarny	ubutuized	02:58
KotCzarny	ubuntuized	02:58
KotCzarny	:)	02:58
lcuk	something like that :)	02:58
KotCzarny	derf, even at 5:1 ratio it's still LONG time with current sd/cf cards	02:59
texel	Anybody managed to get Poky installed on an N810 at all?	02:59
\|thunder	Its one journal update per completed file modification.	02:59
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KotCzarny	thunder: that's only with journal=data mount option	02:59
derf	Now, if you _really_ want to kill the card, mount something without noatime.	02:59
KotCzarny	if you have noatime it won't be that often	03:00
KotCzarny	:)	03:00
KotCzarny	btw. do you know that by default jffs2 is mounted without noatime? (i think)	03:00
KotCzarny	same for vfat partitions	03:00
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derf	Really? I never even checked.	03:01
Mousey	ye godz	03:01
KotCzarny	derf: mount \|grep noatime	03:01
KotCzarny	:)	03:01
derf	I simply assumed no one was that incompetent these days.	03:01
Mousey	so ext2, n800 SD cards? not out of the question?	03:01
KotCzarny	i will go with ext3 over ext2	03:02
Mousey	ok, i rephraze	03:02
Mousey	so ext2/3, n800 SD cards? not out of the question?	03:02
KotCzarny	if you happen to crash you would be writing many times during fsck	03:02
KotCzarny	mousey: i'm running my os2008 on sd/ext3	03:02
KotCzarny	:)	03:02
Mousey	thanks	03:03
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KotCzarny	but ext2 is just a removed journal and corrected bootmenu entry	03:03
KotCzarny	bah, you can even use xfs or reiser i think	03:03
KotCzarny	as long you have added proper module to initfs	03:04
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KotCzarny	i think nice addition would be some compressed fs	03:05
KotCzarny	200mb jffs2 takes ~360mb on ext3	03:06
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Mousey	initfs!	03:07
Mousey	doh	03:07
Mousey	so is there mkinitfs or mkinitramfs?	03:07
Mousey	and wait, ext2/3 is a module?	03:07
KotCzarny	yes	03:08
KotCzarny	but it's available already	03:08
Mousey	rats on fire	03:08
Mousey	oh good	03:08
KotCzarny	in stock initfs	03:08
\|thunder	No, format and go	03:08
Mousey	hurray!	03:08
* Mousey formats EVERYTHING		03:08
Mousey	ok, not really	03:08
KotCzarny	mousey: fgoogle for fanoush initfs	03:08
Mousey	KotCzarny: that dude is a fanatic	03:08
KotCzarny	it has some nice options	03:08
KotCzarny	as most of us	03:08
KotCzarny	:)	03:08
Mousey	guess there's that	03:09
Mousey	my big fear is i'll have a build environment for this thing one day	03:09
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\|thunder	Id like to get the sdk up	03:11
\|thunder	And running	03:11
lcuk	on device?	03:11
Mousey	one day i'll CROSS COMPILE!	03:12
Mousey	^_^	03:12
lcuk	one day (soon) ill write my own compiler and just compile what i see as i make it	03:13
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KotCzarny	and connect it directly to your neurons network?	03:16
lcuk	no, my fingers will make the connections	03:17
lcuk	touch is such an intuitive interface :)	03:18
NOCmadman	does anyone have a link to a current vmwarer image for scratchbox so i can tinker with stuff for the n800	03:19
lcuk	the more i think about this tablet, the more i think it should be designed for touch	03:19
lcuk	http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/	03:19
NOCmadman	i found a few diffrent ones just not sure whats current as things change so fast	03:19
KotCzarny	double sided touch?	03:19
NOCmadman	thank you	03:19
lcuk	no prob :) good luck with it	03:19
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NOCmadman	i just wanna tinker with stuff without breaking my n800 i am hoping it makes things easier	03:20
KotCzarny	there are only 2 ways to break the n800	03:20
KotCzarny	:)	03:20
KotCzarny	one is a physical	03:21
lcuk	3 if you include urination	03:21
KotCzarny	second is breaking bootloader	03:21
KotCzarny	i count urination as physical	03:21
KotCzarny	:)	03:21
Mousey	is there a point to installing another window manager?	03:21
KotCzarny	yes	03:21
lcuk	if you want to treat the device as a desktop device it will be worth it	03:21
KotCzarny	but that's personal	03:21
KotCzarny	:)	03:21
Mousey	i'd like more traditional x11 behavior without nuking the box	03:21
KotCzarny	or if you just can't stand matchbox	03:22
lcuk	at this point i dont think there are any touch based win managers available are there?	03:22
NOCmadman	im afraid i may have already broken something as when i got it it would boot in about 7-10 seconds since i flashed it to newest version it now hangs on nokia splash screen for 15-20 seconds before it finishes booting	03:22
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lcuk	that could just be the newer operating system os2007 vs os2008?	03:22
NOCmadman	2008	03:22
lcuk	i never had the older one (ive got an 810)	03:22
lcuk	did it have '07 when you got it	03:23
NOCmadman	it had 08 on it when i got it but i had some power bug and could not power it on unless plugged in the flash fixed that but now takes 2x as long to boot	03:23
lcuk	ahhh dunno then, im still on the umm original? os2008?	03:23
Mousey	i wish matchbox was more flexible	03:23
lcuk	i know a newer one came out	03:23
KotCzarny	mousey: define 'flexible'	03:24
lcuk	anyway, not long left of this evening and much to do	03:24
* lcuk dives back into vmware		03:24
* KotCzarny waves farewell to lcuk		03:24
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Mousey	like the menus on the side ONLY show 3 menus, only one of which i use [contacts? c'mon], and it's stuck on the left, can i put it on the right? i'm left handed.. also the fixed applet panel can't be moved or extended	03:25
KotCzarny	mouser: install personal menu	03:25
Mousey	and why are the applet and taskbar and menu panels all separate anyway? why not generic panels with a taskbar applet and a systray applet	03:25
KotCzarny	as for stuckiness, install rotation hack and just draw the menu to the side you want	03:25
KotCzarny	:)	03:25
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Mousey	ok so there are workarounds, i'm just sayin matchbox could be more flexible and save me some memory/filesystem space	03:26
Mousey	imho	03:26
Mousey	ooo, whats navit	03:26
Mousey	in the meantime i'll have to look into rotation hack ^_^, is it related to xrandr?	03:27
KotCzarny	yes	03:27
Mousey	i discovered i can display remote X clients the other night, that's completely cool	03:28
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skibur	what is mmc-unionfs for n800?	03:36
skibur	is unionfs faster?	03:36
KotCzarny	tool to extend fs on another card	03:36
KotCzarny	(or device)	03:36
skibur	o ok	03:36
skibur	dangerous	03:36
KotCzarny	nope	03:36
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KotCzarny	useful	03:36
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KotCzarny	it's already used by knoppix i think	03:37
KotCzarny	for a long time	03:37
skibur	will it destory N800?	03:37
lcdd	unionfs is pretty cool	03:37
KotCzarny	heh..	03:38
KotCzarny	ok, back to ff8	03:38
KotCzarny	:)	03:38
skibur	I C, its used on Live CD	03:39
skibur	:P	03:39
skibur	sorry about the shift	03:39
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Mousey	ah ha!	03:40
Mousey	unionfs!	03:41
Mousey	in lieu of LVM	03:41
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* Mousey wants his n800 all the more now		03:41
jga23_	is there any way to get the w32 binary codecs on the n810?	03:42
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KotCzarny	jga23: nope	03:42
KotCzarny	not in practical way	03:42
KotCzarny	:)	03:42
texel	jga23: unfortunately, the w32 binary codecs are compiled for Intel little-endian CPUs.	03:42
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texel	You can't run that code directly on the OMAP inside the ITs.	03:42
jga23	ahh, ok, bummer	03:43
GeneralAntilles	I don't think I've ever heard them described that way, texel. :P	03:43
KotCzarny	hmm	03:43
KotCzarny	i wonder if arm included third core based on x86 instructions (even old ones as in p2)	03:43
KotCzarny	:>	03:43
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texel	GeneralAntilles: well, I can't exactly state every single CPU line they've made for desktops... =op	03:43
texel	Though I probably could have just said "x86" and left it at that. =op	03:43
GeneralAntilles	^ ;)	03:44
KotCzarny	texel: arm used in IT is little endian too	03:44
texel	Hehehe	03:44
texel	Ah. Okay, so I was somewhat inaccurate.	03:44
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texel	But the point is still true: the opcodes are considerably different.	03:44
KotCzarny	yup	03:44
GeneralAntilles	The endianness is probably the least important part of the incompatibilities. :D	03:44
texel	Yeah. =op	03:44
KotCzarny	nope	03:44
KotCzarny	endiannes is a b*ch when porting bad software	03:45
KotCzarny	;)	03:45
texel	KotCzarny: but can easily be translated.	03:45
texel	Opcode styles, not so much. =op	03:45
KotCzarny	texel: ever heard about hidden bugs?	03:45
KotCzarny	;)	03:45
KotCzarny	and bad coding style?	03:45
KotCzarny	(;	03:45
* texel shrugs		03:45
KotCzarny	'hey, i wonder what that piece of code does'	03:46
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KotCzarny	and after it turns out it's used in more than one place every change could be bug inducing	03:46
KotCzarny	:)	03:46
Mousey	sounds like windows coding	03:49
KotCzarny	m$ windows has it's own problems	03:49
KotCzarny	:)	03:49
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* Mousey installs too many repos and angers his tablet		03:51
KotCzarny	install a perfect os, clone, then break cloned one as many times as you want	03:51
KotCzarny	:)	03:51
Mousey	maybe i _should_ be looking at your clone script	03:52
KotCzarny	let me know if you need link	03:52
Mousey	sure, i'll bite	03:53
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KotCzarny	http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/clone.sh	03:55
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gribouille	does flash work well with OS 2008 ?	04:14
GeneralAntilles	Well enough.	04:14
GeneralAntilles	YouTube works.	04:14
gribouille	and google maps ?	04:14
GeneralAntilles	It's not perfect, but you don't get perfect with a 400MHz ARM. ;)	04:14
GeneralAntilles	Google maps is AJAX	04:14
KotCzarny	use maemo mapper	04:14
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, and does it work too ?	04:15
GeneralAntilles	AJAX performance isn't great on the old Gecko snapshot MicroB is using now.	04:15
GeneralAntilles	It works	04:15
GeneralAntilles	but it's a little slow	04:15
GeneralAntilles	should be a lot faster in Diablo.	04:15
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gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what's that Diablo ?	04:15
GeneralAntilles	maemo 4.1	04:16
GeneralAntilles	Next OS2008 release.	04:16
lcuk	if you believe the hype its the lost city of gold	04:16
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, wgen will it be released ?	04:16
GeneralAntilles	"Q2 2008"	04:16
GeneralAntilles	What hype, lcuk?	04:16
lcuk	the general buzz :) i believe a lot of very talented people are working towards this and will make really good improvements :)	04:17
gribouille	do the N800 and N810 work well or not ?	04:17
lcuk	for me yes	04:18
lcuk	its our house computer	04:18
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, nobody can answer that question for you.	04:18
GeneralAntilles	I absolutely love my tablets	04:18
gribouille	I ask this question because the N800 doesn't seem very robust to me	04:18
GeneralAntilles	"robust"?	04:18
GeneralAntilles	They're basically perfect for my purposes.	04:18
KotCzarny	heh.. expectations	04:18
lcuk	its almost never out of use with people surfing the web (slow == better than none), playing games or developing on it	04:19
KotCzarny	grib: you have to know what you're gonna use it for	04:19
KotCzarny	(or any other device)	04:19
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, for some reason, google maps doesn't work anymore on my N800	04:19
KotCzarny	grib: use maemo-mapper	04:19
GeneralAntilles	What are you running?	04:19
GeneralAntilles	Opera on OS2007?	04:19
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, no, I upgraded to OS 2008	04:19
gribouille	KotCzarny, but I want to see satellite photograps too	04:20
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KotCzarny	grib: and? just change map source	04:20
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, Maemo Mapper	04:20
KotCzarny	doh!	04:20
gribouille	ok, I'll see	04:21
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lcuk	GeneralAntilles, my dad won't get anything like this, hes looking at a gps mapper which contains proper ordinance survey map regions of the uk.	04:21
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lcuk	-GeneralAntilles lol	04:21
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GeneralAntilles	ur dad sux!	04:22
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gribouille	is r&d mode really useful ?	04:22
GeneralAntilles	Why do you need it?	04:22
lcuk	no hes not, but hes miffed - each map of a small area is about £30	04:22
gribouille	for root access	04:22
lcuk	whats r&d mode?	04:22
GeneralAntilles	Effectively, a normal user get root access without any 3rd party stuff and no power button delay.	04:23
GeneralAntilles	Not much useful	04:23
GeneralAntilles	Just install easyroot.	04:23
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lcuk	"no power button delay" ? what is this voodoo you speak of?	04:23
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lcuk	you mean it would actually go off instantly?	04:23
KotCzarny	lcuk: nope	04:24
KotCzarny	boot time option	04:24
GeneralAntilles	Turn on	04:24
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gribouille	when flashing the tablet, why does the battery need to be fully charged ?	04:24
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GeneralAntilles	So it doesn't suddenly power off during the flashing of NOLO and brick your device.	04:25
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GeneralAntilles	It really only needs to have enough juice to stay on for 30 seconds or so.	04:25
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GeneralAntilles	But better safe than broken.	04:25
lcuk	no dont tell him that - full charge	04:25
lcuk	always	04:25
GeneralAntilles	Alternatively, you can turn it on while holding down the home key and inserting the barrel charger.	04:26
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gribouille	and do we need to wait untill the battery is completely empty to charge it or not ?	04:26
GeneralAntilles	No	04:27
GeneralAntilles	That's exactly what you shouldn't do	04:27
gribouille	lcuk, why ?	04:27
GeneralAntilles	top off whenever you can.	04:27
KotCzarny	false	04:27
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what shouldn't I do ?	04:27
KotCzarny	it should always be ~40-70%	04:27
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GeneralAntilles	Actually, the best recommendation is to use it however is convenient for you.	04:27
KotCzarny	(for battery life)	04:28
GeneralAntilles	Just avoid discharging it down to zero as much as possible.	04:28
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lcuk	gribouille, just make sure the battery is charged before flashing. it is the most important and potentially risk operation you can perform with your device. do not waver from the instructions	04:28
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\|thunder	Jst plug her in	04:32
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\|thunder	Thats what i do, turn device off, plug into usb, start flasher3 on ubuntu then plug in to start flash process	04:37
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Hrw	hi	04:37
\|thunder	Word	04:37
gribouille	\|thunder, that's exactly what I did ;-)	04:37
\|thunder	Thats the best way	04:37
KotCzarny	heh..	04:38
KotCzarny	i just used mtdtools	04:38
KotCzarny	no usb, no holding buttons	04:38
KotCzarny	no magic	04:38
KotCzarny	:)	04:38
KotCzarny	THAT's the best way	04:38
KotCzarny	:)	04:38
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Hrw	KotCzarny: kernel update?	04:39
KotCzarny	too	04:39
\|thunder	Im not familiar with that. Usb from ubuntu is ro k solid easy	04:40
KotCzarny	yes, whatever works for you	04:40
KotCzarny	just don't tell that it's the only way	04:40
KotCzarny	:)	04:40
gribouille	btw, is java available ?	04:40
GeneralAntilles	See Jalimo, gribouille.	04:41
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\|thunder	Jalimo, has browser pluginn ??	04:44
GeneralAntilles	No	04:44
GeneralAntilles	Should be able to run most applets from xterm, though.	04:44
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\|thunder	That'd be hot if someone wrote an app that loaded jvm for cellphone games on one half of the screen and had an onscreen key pad on the left that modeled the layout of a cell phone.	04:47
\|thunder	To play the millions of games for cell phones	04:47
lcuk	but i can do that already?	04:48
Hrw	KotCzarny: is there a way to enable r&d without using flasher tool?	04:49
KotCzarny	and more	04:49
KotCzarny	hrw: yes, it's the only way	04:49
Hrw	ok	04:49
KotCzarny	though, i never used it	04:49
KotCzarny	never needed it	04:49
Hrw	i need to enable it for n800 emu	04:49
unixSnob	how do you folks access a samba share from a NIT file manager?	04:50
Hrw	due to standard lack of sources/infos	04:50
Hrw	unixSnob: normally - via using sylus or keyboard	04:50
termsig	unixSnob: u need install soft	04:50
unixSnob	termsig: which app?	04:51
termsig	what os u using?	04:52
Hrw	os2008 has it done. most apps do not get it anyway	04:53
termsig	http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php and look for mount..	04:55
\|thunder	lcuk: you how do you play cell phone games?	04:55
lcuk	on my cell phone. its in my pocket more than my 810	04:55
\|thunder	Lol, i want them on my 800 with onscreen kb	04:56
\|thunder	Not the hildon one though.	04:57
lcuk	i want real new interesting games designed for touch :)	04:57
lcuk	have you played with numptyphysics?	04:57
\|thunder	Numpty is nice	04:57
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\|thunder	I like making trebuchets	04:58
lcuk	it feels good to do real things and get real interaction	04:58
lcuk	we need more :)	04:58
\|thunder	Can you all beat all the levels ?	04:58
lcuk	yes	04:58
\|thunder	Find a swf games called squares	04:59
lcuk	flash is not smooth	04:59
\|thunder	Google : squares filetype:swf	04:59
lcuk	(numpty isnt but its close enough)	04:59
\|thunder	This game is	04:59
\|thunder	Squares2	05:00
termsig	guys anyone know good bluetooth modem for n810 with good battery? i want using it with UK "Three" mobile broadband.	05:01
\|thunder	No idea	05:02
unixSnob	sorry i was AFK. I'm using OS2008, and did not see a way to mount a samba share in the file manager	05:02
lcuk	thunder, that game looks wicked on big screen, and can see why it may be nice on device - ill try it tomorrow	05:03
lcuk	thx for hint :) if its smooth enough i might just change my mind a little about flash	05:03
termsig	unixSnob: i said, look on that site..	05:03
unixSnob	k, thanks	05:04
Hrw	unixSnob: there is no way to mount them in FM. it only browse them	05:05
unixSnob	well, browsing is fine for me too	05:05
Hrw	mounting would be nice too - I have lot of music on one share..	05:06
unixSnob	termsig: i searched that page for "mount" nothing came up.. not sure which app you're talking about	05:08
unixSnob	hrw seemed to say browsing samba shares is possible w/ the stock apps, but i don't see how	05:09
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\|thunder	Its east, just start file manager and itll pop up if available	05:11
\|thunder	lcuk: that game owns on n800	05:12
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unixSnob	that's a bummer.. my samba shares are not discoverable on some of my platforms	05:14
unixSnob	i hate to rely on discovery	05:14
johnx	there are fuse and smbnetfs packages floating around	05:15
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\|thunder	See if you can add them to fstab	05:28
\|thunder	Ohh,, i guess that would requirw smbnetfs	05:29
johnx	or smbmount	05:30
johnx	and smbfs.ko	05:30
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unixSnob	here's a pretty good demo of pro-clips w/ the NIT => http://youtube.com/watch?v=jVemmhhFbEA&feature=related	05:58
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WormFood	It would be soooo nice if I could get a version of "anki" for maemo	06:41
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WormFood	unfortunately it is written for kde :(	06:41
WormFood	does anyone know if that program has been ported to maemo yet?	06:42
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liquid217	WormFood: have you tried it under Garnet VM? http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/	06:43
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WormFood	I don't even know what that is	06:44
Navi	Any screenshots of garnetvm on the N800 in action?	06:44
* WormFood looks at the url		06:44
Mousey	Navi: i had it working on my n810	06:44
Navi	No screenies?	06:44
Mousey	it looks like a palm	06:45
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Mousey	wooooo!	06:45
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WormFood	weee...that was fun	06:45
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WormFood	can I ride the net split again?	06:45
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Mousey	Navi: if i can install it, anybody can	06:46
WormFood	I fail to see how GVM will allow me to run "Anki"	06:46
Navi	Mousey, I'm too lazy.	06:46
Mousey	=P	06:46
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Mousey	well if i install it again i'll take pictures ;)	06:46
liquid217	WormFood: i assumed that this was the 'anki' you referred to http://www.anki.com/	06:46
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WormFood	different program, but same function	06:47
WormFood	http://ichi2.net/anki/ this is what I was talking about	06:49
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WormFood	thanks liquid217, I'll try to check it out later (no time right now, I'm at work)	06:50
WormFood	does GVM need ROMs?	06:51
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WormFood	does anyone have a download url for it, without having to signup?	06:52
liquid217	honestly, im not sure on garnet vm, on either question. I just know its available	06:52
mbuf	inotify-tools is available for maemo?	06:52
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liquid217	WormFood: just tried compiling anki in scratchbox with mudbuilder. It looks like it has a ton of dependencies though.	06:59
WormFood	yes	06:59
WormFood	I installed it under debian, and it wanted to download about 160 meg of kde crap	06:59
liquid217	wow	07:00
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WormFood	I'm going to lunch (really breakfast for me)....see you guys later	07:05
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Ziegler	I lost adobe flash on my nit... After dosbox install possibly	07:06
Ziegler	Any thoughts	07:06
Ziegler	?	07:07
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RST38h	http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359497_bus18.html?source=rss	08:51
RST38h	Priceless.	08:51
Mousey	that, good sir, is an idiot	08:53
RST38h	There are also a GPS unit and ~15 screaming schoolgirls present in the picture.	08:55
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RST38h	The driver is probably deaf now.	08:56
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Khertan_on_n810	Hi !	09:09
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Khertan_on_n810	GeneralAntilles > there was an error in timer of home applet :)	09:15
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Khertan_on_n810	bye	09:29
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lopz	night	09:34
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:45
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hrw	morning	11:37
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qwerty12	hrw, morning. I know the n800 emulation is broken but is there any way to "modify" the config.mtd?	11:37
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hrw	enable r&d?	11:47
hrw	and blame nokia ;)	11:48
hrw	problem is based on battery reading	11:48
hrw	initfs checks battery and do not boot if there is no such one. but battery support is closed	11:48
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hrw	btw - n800 emulation is (C) Nokia	11:49
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pupnik	thx for that correction s/application manager/dpkg GeneralAntilles	12:42
GeneralAntilles	Hehe, sure.	12:42
GeneralAntilles	One spot among a thousand where we can't entirely blame Nokia. :D	12:43
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pupnik	BLEH i say. I suppose it's not 'worth doing' but it'd be ~nice~ if we could install from file and get dependencies	12:43
pupnik	On the other hand, it'd be nice if I started finishing up packages and submitted to extras	12:44
GeneralAntilles	It's Debian behavior	12:44
pupnik	ok	12:44
GeneralAntilles	I'm sure they have a rationale for it.	12:44
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pupnik	gtg -- bbl	12:44
GeneralAntilles	Later	12:44
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: ta for the plug	13:16
GeneralAntilles	I plug things I like. :D	13:16
Jaffa	:)	13:18
Jaffa	Maybe I'll be superfluous when the N900 gets released, but I'm sure I can find something else to do :)	13:18
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jott	t, dass Sie an DealExtreme bezahlt haben.$21,43 USD mit PayPal bezahlt haben.	13:19
jott	Der Wechselkurs für diesen Einkauf beträgt 1 EUR = 1,55276USD	13:19
jott	oops	13:19
jott	:)	13:19
jott	hehe	13:19
Cptnodegard	euro, dollar, pound... all shit low atm	13:20
Cptnodegard	seems like the entire world is going to hell except us	13:20
Jaffa	Us == ?	13:20
Cptnodegard	norway	13:20
Cptnodegard	since every other currency is low compared to NOK	13:21
GeneralAntilles	I dunno, 1080p is becoming more popular	13:21
GeneralAntilles	You could always transcode that to whatever works for it. :D	13:21
Veggen	nah, euro has been pretty stable, hasn't it?	13:21
Cptnodegard	no	13:21
Cptnodegard	unde 8NOK :p	13:22
jott	Cptnodegard: on the other hand most of the things in NO are expensive :)	13:22
Veggen	not compared to NOK, but that's because NOK has risen.	13:22
Cptnodegard	exactly my point	13:22
Cptnodegard	ah is ee what you mean	13:22
Veggen	Cptnodegard: It has been "around" 8 for quite a while, I'd call that pretty stable.	13:23
Cptnodegard	indeed	13:23
Cptnodegard	GBP was 9.76 last i checked o0	13:23
Cptnodegard	risen again today...9.99	13:24
Cptnodegard	usd too... 5.00	13:24
GeneralAntilles	Ha	13:25
GeneralAntilles	My maemo shirt is finally coming.	13:25
Cptnodegard	from?	13:25
GeneralAntilles	Browser team.	13:25
GeneralAntilles	For bugzilla.	13:25
jott	"i reported 100 bugs and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" is indeed true!?	13:26
Cptnodegard	lmao	13:27
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	13:27
hrw	Cptnodegard: PLN is also rising	13:34
hrw	Cptnodegard: compared to EUR/USD/GBP	13:34
Cptnodegard	poland?	13:34
hrw	yes	13:35
hrw	and NOK is losing to PLN since October	13:35
Cptnodegard	you should get USD's :D	13:36
Cptnodegard	and hope theyll eventually go up	13:36
hrw	Cptnodegard: http://wykresy2.onet.pl/dane/biznes/81704,NN,16,1Y,1,waluty_wykres.gif	13:38
Cptnodegard	thats compared to pln?	13:38
hrw	yes	13:39
Cptnodegard	nice	13:39
Cptnodegard	not much you can do about it then, but that means you get even more on gbp/eur/usd than we do	13:39
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Cptnodegard	i want to get another 16GB card now that the usd is so low	13:44
Cptnodegard	they cost 60 bucksin the us	13:44
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	13:45
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hrw	60?	13:52
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245	13:53
sarower	i want to program in opengl in maemo	13:53
Veggen	no, you don't.	13:53
sarower	any body there to help?	13:53
Veggen	:)	13:53
Cptnodegard	i got one of those but i use it for my MP3 players	13:53
Cptnodegard	*-s	13:53
sarower	<Veggen: You are telling me..!	13:54
Cptnodegard	no bodies here. we burried them	13:54
Veggen	sarower: There's no good opengl support in Xomap, right?	13:54
sarower	that i can not program in open gl in maemo?	13:54
hrw	sarower: you do not want opengl on nokia tablets	13:54
hrw	sarower: trust us	13:54
hrw	sarower: there is no HW acceleration available	13:55
sarower	Yah we trust you very much...	13:55
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Cptnodegard	[12:55] <sarower> Yah we trust you very much... <- Maemo Famous Last Words?	13:55
sarower	but i think there is a way to program in open gl for maemo!	13:55
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Ivanovic	hiho	13:55
inz	sarower, Sure there is, but software rendering is slow	13:56
hrw	sarower: ok - if you like animations counted in SPF instead of FPS...	13:56
hrw	SecondsPerFrame	13:56
inz	sarower, just compile software mesa for yourself and go knock yourself out	13:56
sarower	inz: Slow is no matter..	13:57
sarower	I have to just implement.. in c++/C	13:58
sarower	INZ!	13:58
inz	sarower, what about unreasonably slow?	13:58
sarower	I have to just learn the process.......	13:58
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sarower	i want to learn just..	13:58
sarower	INZ!	13:58
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inz	sarower, with that attitude, i doubt you'll get any help	13:59
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sarower	Inz: hmm......... right you are....	13:59
sarower	But what can be done Inz?	14:00
hrw	sarower: then write opengl app for your desktop	14:00
sarower	Then...?	14:00
hrw	it will be working and you will not get frustrated	14:00
sarower	Will it run in N800?	14:00
hrw	18 13:06 < sarower> i want to learn just..	14:00
sarower	or the device?	14:00
sarower	inz?	14:00
GeneralAntilles	ror	14:00
hrw	sarower: did not I said that nokia tablets LACK Hw acceleration of opengl?	14:00
GeneralAntilles	s/r/l/g	14:01
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: lol	14:01
inz	sarower, as I said, mesa has a fairly decent software opengl renderer, but it will be sslllllllloooooowwwwwwwwwww	14:01
Veggen	sarower: you'll need to recompile it, etc. And you probably need to compile mesa (software openGL) yourself, because noone else sees the need :)	14:01
sarower	hmmmmmmmmm	14:01
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Ivanovic	is anyone from the mplayer port around?	14:02
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Ivanovic	i would like to know the configure options used to build the "official" binary of the port	14:03
Veggen	mm, wouldn't we all wish that people just had proper source repositories? :)	14:03
Veggen	(so one could download source package and find out, in a consistent way)	14:04
sarower	inz: Actually do you know the detail processs of how i can use the "Mesa" in mameo??	14:04
sarower	even if it is sssslllllllllllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww	14:04
inz	sarower, the samy way you would use GL libraries on desktop	14:04
inz	Veggen, mplayer source (or diff to 1.0rc1) is on extras	14:05
sarower	hmmmmm......... Ok than you very much!	14:05
sarower	INZ!	14:05
inz	Please stop shouting	14:05
sarower	Thank you	14:05
sarower	!	14:05
sarower	Inz: Dont tell like this plz!	14:06
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* jeddy3 is ashamed of living in sweden today		14:30
qwerty12	How come?	14:30
Cptnodegard	they want to tax mmorpg	14:30
qwerty12	Serious?	14:30
Cptnodegard	yes	14:30
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jeddy3	Cptnodegard, no, not that :)	14:30
Cptnodegard	lol what else did they do?	14:31
jeddy3	i was thinking of the piratebay-court-mess	14:31
Cptnodegard	?	14:31
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qwerty12	Arr, pirates ftw	14:31
kaatis	arr yeah	14:31
GeneralAntilles	Yarrr, off the plank with ye lubbers!	14:31
* X-Fade looks at calendar.		14:32
GeneralAntilles	Every day is ITLAPD	14:32
X-Fade	No, it doesn't seem to be 'talk like a pirate' day..	14:32
jeddy3	hmmm, how can i put this...the police that led the investigation against the piratebay, is as of today, hired by warned brothers	14:32
Cptnodegard	lmao	14:32
qwerty12	eek that is an embarrassing :P	14:32
qwerty12	and so is my sentence >.<	14:33
jeddy3	and above it all, the prosecutor sees "no problem" about him continuing to be used in the trials, eventhough he is hired by one part	14:33
cy3o3	Man, canola is really starting to become my friend	14:33
cy3o3	sup guys	14:33
cy3o3	any word on maemo mapper working with the internal n810 gps?	14:33
jeddy3	wich is the really sick thing about it	14:34
qwerty12	cy3o3, I thought it already did, just taht the N810 gps was rubbish :P	14:34
kaatis	Cptnodegard, maybe the nordic countries should join to create a social democratic mmorpg. loot from monsters is taxed at 50% and given to bureaucracy class and to those who didn't play. :P	14:34
cy3o3	qwerty12: Didn't think so, but haven't tried recently	14:34
cy3o3	internal GPS seems to work fine for me	14:35
cy3o3	just takes too long to sync up with satellites	14:35
johnx	it's worked since the beginning	14:35
Cptnodegard	yeah we spend money on a lot of crap	14:35
Cptnodegard	like the new opera in oslo	14:35
johnx	(w/ the n810 gps)	14:35
Cptnodegard	it cost every inhabitant of norway 140 bucks each	14:35
qwerty12	Oh yeah, taxes are said to be high in Norway, right?	14:36
GeneralAntilles	cy3o3, Maemo Mapper has always worked fine with the N810's GPS	14:36
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth, no MAC.	14:36
pupnik	One improvement to maemo mapper would be easier/more robust setup	14:36
Cptnodegard	i earned 22000 USD from summer jobs last year... tax came out to 3500	14:36
X-Fade	Cptnodegard: We spent 6Bn euro on a railway that nobody uses ;)	14:37
Cptnodegard	but normally its way more, 30%	14:37
X-Fade	Cptnodegard: 375 euro pp.	14:37
qwerty12	Woah, is tax evasion high in Norway? :P	14:37
Cptnodegard	lol no	14:38
Cptnodegard	they should use more money on public transportation here... taking the bus is more expensive than taking the car	14:38
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qwerty12	Hmm, in London, I've got one more year left of free travel on buses.	14:39
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X-Fade	Cptnodegard: Current gas prices will set that off pretty quickly.	14:39
pupnik	Cptnodegard: that's welfare	14:41
Cptnodegard	nop, even with the gas prices as high as they are, it doesnt coma close	14:41
pupnik	it's stealing from one person to give money to another	14:42
pupnik	http://www.pupnik.de/Welfare1000.jpg	14:42
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Cptnodegard	taking the bus form here to Lillehammer 17KM away costs / bucks	14:42
Cptnodegard	7	14:42
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* jeddy3 is going by regional train to work, 85km for ~$11 one trip :S		14:45
pupnik	close to german prices	14:46
Cptnodegard	train to oslo, 200KM, is $60	14:46
pupnik	That's good	14:46
Cptnodegard	should be 1/3 that	14:46
jeddy3	Cptnodegard, ouch	14:47
Cptnodegard	i dont pay taxes fot the government to build freaking operas	14:47
pupnik	In taxes, you don't have choice	14:47
cy3o3	I see	14:47
cy3o3	Guess I'll try it out then (maemo mapper w/internal GPS)	14:47
pupnik	Let the train riders pay for the train, the car drivers pay for the road, and the opera goers pay for the opera.	14:47
johnx	pupnik, sure you do: move. :)	14:47
pupnik	That's called free enterprise.	14:48
Cptnodegard	if i got o lillehammer first and tak ethe bus from there, theres a pecial offer tooslo for 30 bucks. but that also takes 3,5 hours vs 2 with train/car	14:48
Cptnodegard	well 2.5 with car	14:48
pupnik	johnx: to antarctica? When the ice melts sure.	14:48
qwerty12	But on the upside, you can eat penguins!	14:49
johnx	well, you can choose wear to live based on who is doing what with tax money	14:49
johnx	want to support opera, move to where Cptnodegard does :)	14:49
Cptnodegard	:(	14:49
Cptnodegard	i need to move off earth	14:50
qwerty12	Meh, I hate Opera :P (browser and "entertainment") . Although visiting Norway would be nice.	14:50
Cptnodegard	wtf do you wantto come here for?	14:50
qwerty12	Hehe, just to visit, seems like a nice place :P	14:51
Cptnodegard	wow you really are delusional :D	14:51
qwerty12	Come to East London for stabbings, and gang life :P	14:51
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qwerty12	Of course :P	14:51
termsig	qwerty12: it's nothing bad..	14:52
johnx	heh...I used to live in Seattle. (WA, US) They built two (2!) stadiums in the city with gov't money rather than 1 train line...	14:52
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Cptnodegard	We spent like 100 million on some fighter planes to lick bush'ass... who the fuck is going to invade nroay in 2008?	14:53
termsig	johnx: but train line it's not so important i think, most ppl have cars..	14:53
lcuk	johnx, but how can they play games on a train?	14:53
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Cptnodegard	leave it to the us to wage war on anythign that moves	14:54
X-Fade	johnx: Classic Roman knowlegde. To keep your people happy, give them food an plays :)	14:54
johnx	X-Fade, the analogy came to mind...	14:54
johnx	termsig, traffic is 3rd worst in the US (IIRC) and gas prices aren't getting any cheaper. Also, because the bus system is so awful you basically have no choice about owning a car...	14:54
qwerty12	Cptnodegard, Meh, Bush is a knobcheese, lol it may be the US ;) with all the oil :P	14:55
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termsig	johnx: ok then move to Poland :P, every 2m whole in street and price of petrol it's more exp then in uk.	14:56
Cptnodegard	polish truckers always create chaoes in norway	14:57
Cptnodegard	they break down everywhere and try to run cargo in wore down summer tires during the winter	14:57
johnx	meh...I'm just saying. You can't ride the stadium to work, but you can definitely play baseball (and american football!) on a moving train...	14:57
derf	I thought Seattle was 4th.	14:58
derf	Behind LA, SF, and DC.	14:58
johnx	I dunno what it is now	14:58
johnx	still that's a pretty big accomplishment for such a (comparitively) small city...	14:58
derf	Yeah, speaking as a native of DC, I have a hard time imagining your traffic is worse than ours.	14:59
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johnx	no trains, no subway and a useless bus system helps...	14:59
derf	And we _have_ a train system. It just isn't actually useful.	14:59
GeneralAntilles	Trains aren't, unfortunately, a magic bullet.	15:00
johnx	they work pretty well some places	15:00
* mgedmin sighs nostalgically, remembering trains in Denmark		15:01
lcuk	sure they are - as long as you line up your target somewhere along the track	15:01
derf	I've been to countries with good train systems.	15:01
johnx	All they need in Seattle is a train that follows I-5 (the major freeway) as closely as possible	15:01
derf	Denmark, the Netherlands, Japan, etc.	15:01
lcuk	manchester (england) metro trams work quite nicely, but they havent got the choice of location	15:02
derf	It's really amazing how much easier it makes getting around.	15:03
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barisione	do you know why "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/" asks for a username and password?	15:09
johnx	maybe try without the s in https?	15:09
barisione	it doesn't work	15:09
barisione	it redirects	15:09
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johnx	but also, browser-ui is non-free	15:09
johnx	IIRC	15:09
barisione	browser-eal is MPL	15:10
X-Fade	barisione: Perhaps because the certificate expired today. They are replacing it atm I think..	15:10
barisione	oh	15:11
barisione	it complained about the cert, I just say accept even if it's expired	15:11
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Ivanovic	someone from the mplayer project around?	15:15
Ivanovic	i would like to know which configure options are used for the official build	15:15
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qwerty12	Ivanovic, I'm not from mplayer but I have the options in a patch I've got. Which model are you compiling for?	15:16
Ivanovic	this will be for an n810	15:17
qwerty12	Wait a sec.	15:17
Ivanovic	but i would like to know what the official one is build with as in "which support is active, what is removed"	15:17
Ivanovic	eg using rtp streaming and stuff like this	15:17
qwerty12	Here, http://pastebin.com/m229188b8	15:17
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Ivanovic	(at university we will be trying to build some multimedia networks using the n810, that is video/autio streaming, stuff like this, would be neat if we could "just" extend what is there already and basically do some gui work to glue everything together)	15:18
jott	barisione: isn't the project called "browser" not browser-ui?	15:18
barisione	jott: they are 2 different things	15:19
barisione	in can see it in the svn web interface	15:19
jott	https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser-ui/?root=browser&sortdir=down	15:19
Ivanovic	qwerty12: so those are the options used for the official one, too?	15:19
Ivanovic	why is v4l left out, thought the camera was just a v4l device	15:19
qwerty12	Ivanovic, they are afaik.	15:20
qwerty12	The patch was taken from Serge's mplayer and updated for RC2	15:21
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jott	barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/	15:21
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qwerty12	Ivanovic, most people dont need it. There are builds with it enabled though.	15:21
Ivanovic	qwerty12: do you know if there is a commandline option to paste out all the supported stuff?	15:21
jott	barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/	15:21
Ivanovic	like supported protocols and codecs?	15:21
jott	sorry	15:21
jott	wrong again ;)	15:21
qwerty12	Ivanovic, you mean the configure options?	15:22
Ivanovic	qwerty12: nah, that would be ./configure --help	15:22
Ivanovic	i mean from the existing binary	15:22
qwerty12	No I'm not sure, sorry. When you try something though, it tells you its not supported.	15:22
Ivanovic	okay, thanks for you help	15:23
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qwerty12	pupnik, Can I ask here if you are around? I've got a folder with rtl8187 drivers which is useless unless I can send it to you? :P	15:54
qwerty12	^useless to me	15:54
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qwerty12	Anyone knows where the font of OMWeather is defined (source, gconf key, config file ) etc?	16:01
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AStorm	qwerty12: gconf	16:02
AStorm	but it has its own prfs too	16:02
qwerty12	AStorm, I looked in gconf but all I could see was the colour :(	16:02
AStorm	it sets that when you change it	16:03
qwerty12	Ah, I'll take another look	16:03
AStorm	go to the home menu and select Applet settings	16:03
qwerty12	All I can see in there is font colour :)	16:04
AStorm	wait...	16:04
AStorm	indeed	16:05
AStorm	it seens to use system (fontconfig) sans	16:05
AStorm	no option for you (no schema)	16:05
qwerty12	Yes, I saw that but when I search the source code for sans, it returns nothing. My theme is set to a different font so if it was geting it from there, it would have changed.	16:05
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Jsn0327	does anyone know if there is a text editor included with os2008 that can be run as root from the terminal?	16:06
qwerty12	vi?	16:07
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GeneralAntilles	6	16:08
GeneralAntilles	s/6/^/	16:08
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: ^	16:08
qwerty12	9?	16:08
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Jsn0327	is there a better text editor for terminal that i can download than vi?	16:10
qwerty12	leafpad	16:10
GeneralAntilles	No.	16:10
GeneralAntilles	Well, vim.	16:10
solmumaha	nano	16:10
GeneralAntilles	nano is garbage. :P	16:10
Jsn0327	i have leafpad but it won't run from terminal	16:10
GeneralAntilles	It's particularly broken on maemo	16:10
Jsn0327	what about gedit?	16:10
qwerty12	nano segfaults like crazy on my n800	16:10
GeneralAntilles	since search just segfaults.	16:10
qwerty12	Jsn0327, run leafpad with run-standalone.sh in front	16:11
solmumaha	nano-tiny has worked fine	16:11
GeneralAntilles	What's wrong with vi, anyway, Jsn0327?	16:11
qwerty12	I actually prefer the vi that comes with maemo to the one on my ubuntu distro.	16:11
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GeneralAntilles	vim has extra features that get in the way if you don't set it up how you want it, qwerty12.	16:11
Jsn0327	when i ran vi with userContent.css it didnt have a way to enter a new line without going all the way to the 26th page of the file	16:11
GeneralAntilles	Press i	16:12
GeneralAntilles	Look at this as a good opportunity to learn vi.	16:12
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Ah thanks. I'm gonna look into it but I guess gedit works for me in ubuntu.	16:12
GeneralAntilles	Which is an important skill, as it's the only editor you can rely on being in every since *nix distribution on the planet.	16:12
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, it's a time investment getting vim up to your own preferences.	16:13
wnd	not to mention vi (and especially vim) rocks :-)	16:13
GeneralAntilles	Worth the investment	16:13
GeneralAntilles	but still.	16:13
Veggen	And contrary to what you might think, vi(m) is a very powerful editor.	16:13
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GeneralAntilles	Also, figuring out what those preferences are. ;)	16:13
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RST38h	General: Wrong	16:13
Jsn0327	GeneralAntilles: do you know if they've made any headway in getting a mouse to work with the n810? I know that you post on the forums alot	16:14
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RST38h	General: If you want ot be really reliable you should rely on ED!	16:14
qwerty12	Come think of it an emacs port exists for os2007	16:14
qwerty12	*os2008	16:14
Jsn0327	vim takes up 20 megs!	16:14
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, :P	16:14
RST38h	Emacs is scary - how do you know that its LISP-based AI isn't editing some part of your document while you are not watching?	16:15
GeneralAntilles	Jsn0327, I haven't paid any attention to mouse support.	16:15
mgedmin	vim comes with lots of scripts, syntax files, help files	16:15
RST38h	Why do you need 20MB for VIM?	16:15
GeneralAntilles	Jsn0327, just use vi.	16:15
qwerty12	Jsn0327, why not run as root "run-standalone.sh leafpad userContent.css"	16:15
liquid217	i prefer joe, when I have a choice of editors	16:15
* RST38h prefers pico but can live with nano		16:15
Jsn0327	i'm trying that now	16:16
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qwerty12	Although you can set up the root environment to not give you error messages like the leafpad one but it makes it go into gtk original style (ie not hildonised)	16:16
Jsn0327	qwerty12: Thanks that worked	16:16
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qwerty12	Np, but I'm sure you don't have to be root to edit userContent.css come think of it.	16:17
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Jsn0327	well you have to be root to do soo much stuff in linux, I just do it anyway	16:18
qwerty12	Hehe, sometimes it's not a good idea. I've messed up a few permissions like that... :p	16:19
Jsn0327	lol	16:19
Jsn0327	i know then u just do chown	16:19
qwerty12	Hehe, too much work for me :P but yes, when that happens I have to do that :)	16:20
Jsn0327	I can't believe that linux programmers are soo paranoid that you are going to screw something up, that you have to type sudo in front of everything	16:20
wnd	generally you only need to be root to change things that affect all users. you also may have to run "a user" application as root if the application is faulty, misconfigured, badly written, or simply doing something that it's not supposed to do.	16:20
GeneralAntilles	It's a security measure, Jsn0327. :\	16:20
Jsn0327	i know it is. But people use windows everyday and login as adminstrator with minimal problems	16:21
GeneralAntilles	Part of using a system designed for multiple users.	16:21
GeneralAntilles	As opposed to Window's broken multi-user implementation.	16:21
Veggen	"minimal problems"?	16:21
wnd	in most cases fiddling around as super user is simply ignorance or stupidity. no offence.	16:21
GeneralAntilles	Jsn0327, more viruses, spyware, adware, trojans and worms than you can possibly imagine is "minimal"?	16:21
wnd	erm, s/ignorance/ignorant/; s/stupidity/stupid/	16:22
Jsn0327	putting all that aside, i'm talking about the average user using his desktop	16:22
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trickie_	Jsn0327: well the average user shouldn't want to be able to accidently rm -rf /	16:23
Veggen	the average people is exactly the people that get problems from running as administrator, they just don't know it.	16:23
wnd	I can't think of anything that would require an ordinary user to do as root, except for updating the os	16:23
trickie_	or have some build script 'accidently' f-up their system libs	16:23
Jsn0327	the built script is going to f-up your system when you run it as root anyway. either way you are going to run the script	16:24
trickie_	that doesn't make sense	16:24
Jsn0327	you have to be root to do everything in linux. Install an app, remove an app, update an app, save a text file to a directory. edit certain files	16:24
trickie_	thats not true	16:25
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trickie_	you need to be root to install some apps systemwide	16:25
trickie_	which makes sense	16:25
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trickie_	how else will you secure a multi-user installation?	16:25
trickie_	as for 'save a text file to a directory. edit certain files'	16:25
trickie_	i think you missing the point	16:25
trickie_	what directory are you trying to save text files to?	16:26
trickie_	or what certain files are you talking about	16:26
Jsn0327	trickie_ what i'm saying is that if i want to run a script that was written by someone else. i'm going to run it as root if it doesn't run from my user account. either way i'm going to run it. i'm the owner of the computer. i shouldn't have to type sudo for everything. Maybe it makes more sence since there are not multiple user accounts on linux, and it was meant for everyone to use one account, but if that's the case then they should make	16:26
wnd	trickie_, wrong directory and wrong files ;-)	16:26
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trickie_	Jsn0327: well you can just login as root, and hope the best	16:27
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Jsn0327	it's not wrong directory and wrong files. When i first installed ubuntu, everything was owned by root. I had to change all of the permissions to my user account to be able to save anything	16:27
trickie_	and then oneday you will see why user privileges are sperated as they are	16:27
wnd	:-D	16:27
Jsn0327	yeah then every kid out there can hack into the root account of my machine	16:28
trickie_	Jsn0327: well you were trying to save it in the wrong directory	16:28
trickie_	Jsn0327: exactly	16:28
trickie_	you cannot have your cake and eat it too	16:28
Jsn0327	is there a way to make multiple user accounts in linux?	16:28
Jsn0327	then i can have my cake and eat it to	16:28
wnd	:-D	16:28
Veggen	Jsn0327: uh? Of course there is.	16:29
RST38h	Jsn0327: You will not believe it but THERE IS!	16:29
Jsn0327	lol	16:29
qwerty12	OMG	16:29
trickie_	Jsn0327: i reckon you should go read some more on how a unix/linux system works	16:29
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trickie_	might make more sense	16:29
RST38h	Isn't it amazing?	16:29
trickie_	and less frustrating	16:29
wnd	and I thought #debian was a funny place to be :-D	16:29
qwerty12	if you apt-get install adduser, you can even do it on OS2008. Grab Fanoush's framebuffer mod and run getty and you can log in with it too.	16:30
Jsn0327	yeah right. my n810 slows down enough with one user. I wouldn't even think about adding another one	16:30
Jsn0327	i need it for my ubuntu desktop	16:31
inz	Jsn, the other users only slow down the system if they're doing something	16:31
qwerty12	Have you been in System,Administration yet>	16:31
qwerty12	*?	16:31
qwerty12	Nice little applet called Users & Groups ;) :p	16:31
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Jsn0327	yeah but from what i've heard, linux was designed for multiple users with one desktop. Thats why i haven't looked into multiple accounts/desktops	16:32
GeneralAntilles	Jsn0327, seriously, go read up on *nix. You're revealing an awful lot of ignorance here. :)	16:32
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qwerty12	Man, I wish my router didn't suck balls.	16:33
Jsn0327	GeneralAntilles: Honestly I don't care how much ignorance i'm revealing. It's called being new to linux	16:33
trickie_	Jsn0327: or at least ask specific questions	16:33
Jsn0327	Everyone starts somewhere	16:33
trickie_	Jsn0327: and don't rely on heresay	16:33
trickie_	cause its wrong	16:33
RST38h	Jsn0327: Actually, it is called having misconceptions about Linux	16:33
Jsn0327	I appreciate your help everyone.	16:33
GeneralAntilles	There's a difference between being new and spewing incorrect things like you know what you're talking about. ;)	16:34
RST38h	Let me quickly lookup if there is some online document you can read.	16:34
trickie_	Jsn0327: i recommend reading some more about how a linux works, accounts, filesystem etc and you will be less frustrated	16:34
Jsn0327	I have to go help out at my daughters school. Talk to you guys later.	16:34
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RST38h	Ran away	16:35
* mgedmin sees Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! in scratchbox		16:35
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GeneralAntilles	It wants a cookie, mgedmin.	16:36
GeneralAntilles	Feed it.	16:36
liquid217	echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled	16:36
Veggen	Well. It's not that it's bad to be a beginner. But many beginners that come from Windows doesn't want Linux, they want "a better Windows", and thinks Linux is that because someone has told them Linux is better.	16:36
inz	Veggen, he's gone already	16:36
Veggen	mmm, saw.	16:36
MangoFusion	would now be a bad time to indicate that i use a mac? ;)	16:38
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GeneralAntilles	Join the club. :P	16:38
MangoFusion	mactel or macppc?	16:39
GeneralAntilles	PPC, duh.	16:39
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MangoFusion	currently just got me macbook and mac mini (ppc)	16:40
MangoFusion	pity there's no decent sync for my n800	16:40
MangoFusion	though then again, i probably wouldn't sync anything anyway	16:40
MangoFusion	;)	16:40
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GeneralAntilles	lol, qwerty12, how do you deal with that font and color in FBReader? <_<	16:46
RST38h	What are those font and color?	16:47
qwerty12	Hehe, I can read it fine :). I read in the dark with my light off so it works for me :)	16:47
* GeneralAntilles shudders.		16:47
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GeneralAntilles	SwissA 16pt 1.3 white-on-black is the way for me.	16:48
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qwerty12	I've always found red to be good, but I've probably killed off my "night vision" years ago when I started reading books of a tiny K750 screen	16:49
Navi	I like white on gray	16:49
RST38h	green-on-red? =)	16:49
GeneralAntilles	Haha	16:49
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo	16:49
GeneralAntilles	Who the hell put in that security section?	16:49
GeneralAntilles	Anybody want to take a bet?	16:49
GeneralAntilles	What a joke.	16:49
RST38h	black on wheat-yellow is nice	16:50
Navi	GeneralAntilles, I'm pretty sure I know who did it	16:50
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, you should post that desktop in screenshots thread, most modded out of all of them :P	16:50
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GeneralAntilles	Goddamn	16:51
GeneralAntilles	I look away for a few days and they rape that article.	16:51
Navi	What a moron	16:51
GeneralAntilles	Talk about having an ax to grind.	16:51
Navi	ipconfig > most of the other crap on Linux	16:51
Navi	er	16:51
Navi	not ipconfig >_>	16:51
* Navi sighs		16:51
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Navi	Anyways	16:52
RST38h	General: You should just add to that section that Maemo also does not include support for electrocuting unauthorized users and thus totally lacks physical security	16:52
Navi	iptables > the other crap on Linux	16:53
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* GeneralAntilles goes to cleanup the article again.		16:53
qwerty12	Hmm, will penguinbait's kde run off a 1gb card? I know it says minimum is 2gb but I'm a tramp and only have 1gb	16:53
GeneralAntilles	Why do my requests for assistance there only pull in the crazy people. :<	16:53
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Navi	GeneralAntilles, should I just build an iptables frontend and the useless clamav to satisfy those people?	16:53
RST38h	And, for cost reasons, Nokia does not supply german shepherds with its tablets, making it impossible to secure devices	16:53
GeneralAntilles	Somebody keeps insisting on coming in to fuck up the intro. <_<	16:54
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Navi	"The security deficiencies of ITOS may explain why it has not been installed in a smartphone but only in PDA style devices with no direct ability to use the telephone network, as infected telephones could be used to stage a denial of service attack by repeatedly ringing a selected number, with the potential for loss of life if emergency service were targeted."	16:55
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, What's wrong with it? I'm not saying I endorse the new intro but I can't see what the mistake/bad thing is?	16:55
Navi	\o/	16:55
GeneralAntilles	Major redundancy	16:55
GeneralAntilles	Stupid " - "'-	16:55
GeneralAntilles	s/-/s/2	16:55
RST38h	qwerty: it is meaningless	16:56
GeneralAntilles	Plus, it was fine like it was.	16:56
Navi	qwerty12, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=206245471#Security	16:56
qwerty12	Ah, thanks.	16:56
Navi	It's common Linux misconceptions spewed from a Windows moron.	16:56
qwerty12	Eek, I can see the shit on that page	16:56
GeneralAntilles	The Future section is more bullshit.	16:56
RST38h	Is there a way to make some script keep the page in order automatically?	16:57
RST38h	Simply check it every few days on cron and bring it back to the original state?	16:57
GeneralAntilles	Who the hell put those "footnotes" in?	16:58
johnx	you could ask someone at wikipedia to lock it I guess...	16:58
GeneralAntilles	They completely screwed up the numbering.	16:58
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GeneralAntilles	Nah, johnx, I'll just have to pay better attention.	16:58
Navi	Oh god	16:58
Navi	He links to the register in that article, and takes them seriously	16:58
Cptnodegard	great i got an idea for somethign i need, and it doesnt really exist	16:59
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Navi	Someone should build the bloatware security apps for the losers in the security threads on ITT	17:00
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jott	haha i really wonder why someone put such effort in writing such a crap on wikipedia that will obviously get deleted	17:00
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	17:01
GeneralAntilles	Because they're stupid	17:01
GeneralAntilles	Read meanwhile's posts on ITT, jott.	17:01
GeneralAntilles	You'll soon realize why.	17:01
X-Fade	Damn, he's putting in a lot of hours too..	17:01
Navi	X-Fade, yeah	17:01
X-Fade	If I look at that history list ;)	17:01
Navi	Yeh	17:02
trickie_	ha, thats funny	17:02
* GeneralAntilles is confused by the buzz-word comment.		17:03
Navi	?	17:03
GeneralAntilles	See talk.	17:03
Navi	Get straight to the point and provide sources to back up the content	17:04
* johnx shakes his head. "Never mud-wrestle with a pig, you'll both get muddy and the pig likes it."		17:04
* qwerty12 is confused too.		17:04
Navi	Of course, that's extremely ironic :D	17:04
GeneralAntilles	Navi, which is exactly what I was doing. :P	17:04
Navi	He complained about iptables	17:05
Navi	someone should kill him	17:05
GeneralAntilles	Nice, citing a forum thread. :\	17:08
* Navi should stop grabbing outdated control files from debian packages		17:08
GeneralAntilles	I'm not sure what all that bullshit about Trolltech is about	17:08
johnx	does that mean I can say "meanwhile is wrong" then cite the irclog?	17:08
qwerty12	solmumaha, just felt like saying thanks. your shadow warrior port kept me alive in the doctor's surgery waiting room.	17:08
qwerty12	hehe Reggie installed that thanks mod	17:10
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Navi	johnx, of course!	17:10
GeneralAntilles	Umptious seems to think all technical terms are "buzzwords"	17:10
qwerty12	Shows how much of a knob he is.	17:10
Navi	Yeah, buzz words like: GeneralAntilles, qwerty12, Linux, Hildon, Matchbox, Debian, etc.	17:11
Navi	GeneralAntilles, you really should remove them.	17:11
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GeneralAntilles	OK	17:12
GeneralAntilles	Think it's mostly clear of bullshit.	17:12
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GeneralAntilles	Jesus christ	17:13
GeneralAntilles	Did he go in and screw with the Mobil Operating Systems table, too?	17:13
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GeneralAntilles	+e	17:14
Navi	Yeah, he did.	17:14
Navi	:/	17:14
mgedmin	dear lazyirc, where's the maemo porting bora -> chinook document?	17:14
Navi	I think it was just a small header change and a recompile	17:15
mgedmin	http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html	17:15
mgedmin	there	17:15
mgedmin	no, wait, that's not it	17:15
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GeneralAntilles	Alright, who wants to volunteer to flesh out the SDK section a bit? :D	17:19
GeneralAntilles	My knowledge there is just a touch lacking.	17:19
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qwerty12	Does anyone know the right -march= line for Chinook Armel SB target?	17:22
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mgedmin	is there really no guide of porting bora apps to chinook?	17:33
mgedmin	do I have to manually diff the maemo-3.0 and maemo-4.0 porting guides?	17:33
mgedmin	youck	17:33
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mgedmin	maemo 3.0 guide had a section on "Porting to maemo 3.x from maemo 2.x."	17:35
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mgedmin	where's the "Porting to maemo 4.x from maemo 3.x"???	17:35
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MangoFusion	the dog ate it	17:37
GeneralAntilles	Damn that dog!	17:37
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, I swear I've seen it	17:37
GeneralAntilles	Dunno where, though.	17:37
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Cptnodegard	is there anythign like a scanner pen that mounts like a keyboard and lets you suse it as a highlight marker? i.e you would use it for studying by "highlighting", and the text would pop up as you go on a text editor?	17:48
johnx	well, there are scanner pens, but they hand bitmaps to the computer	17:48
johnx	it would be up to you to get the computer to do the OCR as it comes in	17:48
Cptnodegard	yeah thats what i found	17:49
Cptnodegard	thats really too bad	17:49
johnx	doing OCR on the scanner would be silly though	17:49
Cptnodegard	would pwn to highlight school texts and get notes as you go	17:49
Cptnodegard	not enough power?	17:50
johnx	exactly	17:50
Cptnodegard	too bad...	17:50
GeneralAntilles	Anybody make a hardware OCR?	17:50
johnx	I honestly don't know	17:50
johnx	if they ever did, I don't see why they'd bother these days	17:50
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I'd doubt it.	17:51
GeneralAntilles	Mildly humorous, though. :D	17:51
Cptnodegard	i want one of those DocuPens	17:51
johnx	well, there's nothing to stop you from hacking together something that OCRed as the scanner pen threw data at the computer	17:51
Cptnodegard	yeah there is	17:51
Cptnodegard	skills	17:51
Cptnodegard	or lack there of :p	17:51
johnx	and then attach it to a gtk-input method :)	17:51
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	17:51
johnx	you only need time -or- skills :)	17:52
johnx	one can replace the other	17:52
Cptnodegard	lol	17:52
Cptnodegard	yeah but im already 20, i'd be dead before i was half finished	17:52
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GeneralAntilles	Patience and willpower should be thrown in there, too. ;)	17:52
Cptnodegard	technically if the scanner pen spit out small strips of bitmaps you can still make a list of them	17:53
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johnx	I'm sure you can write a gtk input method in python	17:53
Cptnodegard	im surprised its not more used since highlighting shit is done by millions of students	17:53
johnx	that saves a lot of pain right there	17:53
* GeneralAntilles only highlights when he has to for an assignment.		17:54
Cptnodegard	exams :p	17:54
johnx	Cptnodegard, I do like the idea, actually. :D	17:54
Cptnodegard	this shit is so boring and dry that they ship this book to flooded areas to absorb water	17:54
GeneralAntilles	Ha	17:55
GeneralAntilles	I'm tired of school	17:55
GeneralAntilles	I want to do stuff.	17:55
johnx	so workflow: press button on scanner pen, capture script is launched, press button again, script hands bitmap to gocr, gocr hands it to gtk- input method, input in word processor	17:55
johnx	maybe?	17:55
Cptnodegard	johnx yeah the idea seems smart to me, so imsurprised it doesnt exist	17:55
GeneralAntilles	Press sensitive script to activate the scanner.	17:55
johnx	I think those scanner pens don't work that well	17:55
GeneralAntilles	s/script/tip/	17:55
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Press sensitive tip to activate the scanner.	17:55
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Cptnodegard	but yeah that would be the way to do it	17:56
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pancake	can anybody give me the lines in their scratchbox's sources.list?	18:10
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pancake	hello?	18:18
liquid217	wow, just had another tremor here in kentucky	18:18
\|\|cw	here in stl too	18:19
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Khertan_on_n810	Hi	18:26
phunguy	oh god	18:26
phunguy	i'm really bored	18:26
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phunguy	i'm at a tech conference in toronto	18:26
Khertan_on_n810	someone have try python-evolution ?	18:27
Khertan_on_n810	it s unfinished on maemo ?	18:27
Khertan_on_n810	or __doc__ is missing	18:27
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Khertan_on_n810	?	18:27
lmoura	Khertan_on_n810, doc is missing	18:27
lmoura	but it's a 1-on-1 to desktop version	18:27
Khertan_on_n810	so i can read evolution tasks db . thx for the infos	18:28
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Khertan_on_n810	(i m trying to make a applet for Tasks (the one from pimlico project))	18:28
Khertan_on_n810	lmoura > do u have see my small applet ?	18:29
Khertan_on_n810	:)	18:29
lmoura	Khertan_on_n810, no, I'm stil really busy with college =\	18:29
Khertan_on_n810	ah :)	18:29
Khertan_on_n810	take a look on maemo.org/downloads	18:30
Khertan_on_n810	there is screenshots	18:30
lmoura	ok	18:30
phunguy	lm	18:30
Khertan_on_n810	s/is/are	18:30
phunguy	what u takin?	18:30
phunguy	in college	18:30
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phunguy	behnam!	18:35
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lardman	afternoon all	18:39
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qwerty12	GeneralAntilles, Did you fix that shit from meanwhile at 14:11?	18:41
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GeneralAntilles	Asshole reverted it.	18:42
GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GeneralAntilles&redirect=no	18:42
GeneralAntilles	"vandalism"	18:42
GeneralAntilles	WTF	18:42
qwerty12	Yep. the guy don't know shit	18:42
GeneralAntilles	Goddamn	18:43
GeneralAntilles	I really don't feel like fighting this battle.	18:43
GeneralAntilles	He's completely and totally full of shit.	18:43
GeneralAntilles	and he's pulling vandalism bullshit on me.	18:44
GeneralAntilles	Yet another reason to hate wikipedia.	18:44
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lardman	Sorry to go OT, but if I pull from svn, then make changes and do a build in the directory to which I pulled (thereby creating files that don't want to be commited), will a simple "svn commit" just add back the changed versions of the files I pulled?	18:46
MangoFusion	there are power hungry asses on every site	18:46
qwerty12	The guy's a stupid fuck. Look at his source for "... due to the role of daemon processes as forwarders of such messages. (Malware could use a firewall approved daemon to send data out, by-passing the need to get permission itself.)" (which is bs) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19074	18:46
MangoFusion	personally i'd use a different username	18:46
GeneralAntilles	I simply don't have the energy to try and fight this battle with a power hungry lunatic.	18:47
lardman	Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts ??	18:47
lardman	can one find thanked posts on ITT?	18:48
qwerty12	Yeah, click their profile.	18:48
GeneralAntilles	Goddamn	18:48
GeneralAntilles	This is ridiculous	18:48
GeneralAntilles	I go to try and put together a decent wikipedia entry for a platform	18:48
GeneralAntilles	and get accuse of vandalism and bribe taking.	18:48
lardman	k, thanks	18:49
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MangoFusion	fight misinformation with misinformation, thats what i say	18:49
GeneralAntilles	He expects me to fight his bullshit.	18:49
MangoFusion	the internet is just a big mmorpg	18:50
qwerty12	I think Navi was right with killing him, anyone know a hitman?	18:50
GeneralAntilles	I'm just gonna revert it	18:51
GeneralAntilles	If he wants to have me banned	18:51
GeneralAntilles	then fuck wikipedia	18:51
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qwerty12	fuck it if you get banned, tell me what to write and I'll put it in	18:51
qwerty12	I should be changing isp's soon sometime	18:52
MangoFusion	i think if its just you against him, you'll inevitably make yourself out to be an even bigger ass than he is	18:52
MangoFusion	since he must have been in the right the first time, right?	18:52
MangoFusion	or maybe thats just what comes with being a moderator	18:53
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GeneralAntilles	Idiocy on the internet is threatening to drive me over the edge.	18:54
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\|\|cw	arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics. even if you win, you are still retarded.	18:55
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qwerty12	Hehe that pic makes me laugh#	18:55
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Khertan_on_n810	ouch python-evolution documentation is difficult to found	19:04
qwerty12	z00t,z00t, I got the pcmanfm file manager to run on Internet Tablet but anyone know what the gtk+ icon theme is for OS2008?	19:05
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lmoura	Khertan, do you want task support?	19:05
lmoura	Khertan_on_n810, ^	19:05
Khertan_on_n810	yes :)	19:06
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lmoura	AFAIR, the maemo package only ships ebook modules, not ecal	19:06
lmoura	=\	19:06
lmoura	does 'import evolution.ecal' work?	19:06
Khertan_on_n810	ah i ven,t understood that it s why i have asked about __doc__ :)	19:06
GeneralAntilles	There's the warning.	19:07
GeneralAntilles	Screw wikipedia	19:07
Khertan_on_n810	arg ... :( NoneType	19:07
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Khertan_on_n810	so i ll wait	19:08
Khertan_on_n810	:)	19:08
Khertan_on_n810	no home applets yet for pimlico projects	19:08
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Khertan_on_n810	lmoura > do u know about how to do prefs with hildondesktop binding for home applet ?	19:09
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lmoura	Khertan_on_n810, no	19:12
Khertan_on_n810	ok :)	19:12
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Khertan_on_n810	ouch 60s freeze of all the system ... canola powa	19:17
* Cptnodegard wishes the n800 had an IR port		19:18
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GeneralAntilles	They do, Cptnodegard. :D	19:19
qwerty12	hehe irtrans? :P	19:19
Cptnodegard	???	19:19
GeneralAntilles	3.5mm ;)	19:19
Cptnodegard	audio jack?	19:19
GeneralAntilles	Heck yeah	19:19
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qwerty12	nah i carry my 9mm and my 18in, better than 3.5 :p	19:19
Cptnodegard	link? cant find anythin on google	19:20
Cptnodegard	or do you HAVE to diy?	19:20
GeneralAntilles	http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/500839-REG/Avocent_IRB_100_IR_BLASTER_2_LED.html	19:21
GeneralAntilles	Something like that	19:21
GeneralAntilles	But without the wiring.	19:21
GeneralAntilles	Griffin used to make something	19:21
Cptnodegard	does that work with that tv remote thingy?	19:21
Cptnodegard	i want to control my robosapien with the n800 >:D	19:22
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Khertan_on_n810	cptnodegard > for u r robosapien u can do a simple bluetooth module too for it	19:23
Cptnodegard	it has bt?	19:23
Khertan_on_n810	it s easy to do, at least for v1	19:23
Cptnodegard	i got a v2...i think	19:23
* Cptnodegard asks him		19:23
Khertan_on_n810	no but bt chip is available at low cost now	19:24
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Khertan_on_n810	does it can talk > if it can it s a v2	19:24
Cptnodegard	it talks	19:24
Cptnodegard	and farts	19:25
Cptnodegard	and burps	19:25
Cptnodegard	and all kinds of rude gestures	19:25
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Cptnodegard	its a v2. googled a pic	19:25
Khertan_on_n810	:)	19:25
Cptnodegard	v1 looks gay	19:25
Cptnodegard	like quasimodo	19:25
Khertan_on_n810	lol	19:25
Khertan_on_n810	v2 look gay !	19:25
Cptnodegard	i saw a video on youtube of some people who made a robot dog with an n800	19:26
Cptnodegard	pwned	19:26
Khertan_on_n810	:) v1 is more easily customable	19:26
Cptnodegard	sounds like you have one? ;)	19:26
Khertan_on_n810	a friend have add a cam and a small 'ia'	19:27
Khertan_on_n810	cptnodegard > yes i ve one	19:27
GeneralAntilles	Cptnodegard is gonna take over the world.	19:27
* GeneralAntilles cowers.		19:27
Cptnodegard	lol	19:27
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Cptnodegard	i got my v2 on a sale... down from 400 to 100 bucks	19:28
Khertan_on_n810	a bit hacked	19:28
Cptnodegard	dunno how much they ever cost in the us¨	19:28
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Cptnodegard	i used to use mine to hold my camera before i got a tripod	19:28
Khertan_on_n810	mine have custom motors and a custom 'brain'	19:29
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Khertan_on_n810	an armel with a bt chip	19:29
Cptnodegard	nice	19:30
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Khertan_on_n810	the purpose was to grip things on the floor to place them at their right place	19:30
Khertan_on_n810	but i need to finish detection algo	19:31
Khertan_on_n810	and make it localize it s place by itself	19:32
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Khertan_on_n810	but it s an hard thing to do	19:32
Cptnodegard	have you ever controlled it with your 810?	19:32
Khertan_on_n810	not yet	19:33
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Cptnodegard	lol, my mp3 sunglasses still have battery after being in the car for the entire winter	19:34
Khertan_on_n810	i use my home computer to load new firmware on the armel chip by bt	19:34
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Cptnodegard	what does the new fw do?	19:34
GeneralAntilles	Haha	19:34
Cptnodegard	whats funny? o.o	19:35
GeneralAntilles	mp3 sunglasses. :P	19:35
Cptnodegard	what about it? they work	19:35
Cptnodegard	:D	19:35
GeneralAntilles	They're ridiculous. :P	19:35
lopz	hola	19:35
Cptnodegard	no they pwn ^_^	19:35
Cptnodegard	http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2534	19:36
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GeneralAntilles	The sound quality must be terrible, though. :P	19:36
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Cptnodegard	yeah ill give you that... then again its not worse than that i can use them	19:37
gribouille	hi	19:37
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Cptnodegard	though i prefer my d2	19:37
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gribouille	ks the screen of the N810 better than the one of the N800 ?	19:38
gribouille	s/ks/Is	19:38
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GeneralAntilles	gribouille, only in that it's transflective	19:39
GeneralAntilles	It is otherwise identical.	19:39
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, what does that mean ?	19:39
GeneralAntilles	(well, the connector is different and the size is a little different, but there's no other performance differences)	19:39
tbf	hmm... where do i find rx-34 kernel images for oprofile?	19:39
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GeneralAntilles	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective	19:40
Cptnodegard	rtansflective? is that the same as those gay dell laptops use? :p	19:40
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GeneralAntilles	It uses ambient light to augment the backlight	19:40
Cptnodegard	a friend of mine got the exact same laptop as me but with "TrueLife" screen, its freaking useless	19:40
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GeneralAntilles	Effectively resulting in at least a little sunlight readability.	19:40
Cptnodegard	aha	19:40
GeneralAntilles	Cptnodegard, you mean the glossy screen?	19:40
Cptnodegard	not the same then	19:40
Cptnodegard	GeneralAntilles, prob... they call it truelife. makes it work liek a mirror and impossible to read if its not 100% dark	19:41
\|\|cw	had to replace the lcd in my hp, got the glossy kind instead, love it	19:41
GeneralAntilles	Meh, it's nowhere near that bad	19:41
GeneralAntilles	It really depends on the environment you use it in.	19:42
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, when my N800 isn't oriented correctly, the screen is like a mirror, and I can't see anything. is it normal ?	19:42
\|\|cw	dark, light, whatever, just have to slightly angle the screen for reflections	19:42
Khertan_on_n810	same thing on macbook glossy screen	19:42
\|\|cw	it's much brighter overall	19:42
GeneralAntilles	Personally, I find the colors on a glossy screen to be much better.	19:42
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, yes	19:42
\|\|cw	gribouille: yes	19:42
\|\|cw	770 does that too	19:42
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GeneralAntilles	I recommend buying yourself a Boxwave anti-glare screen protector	19:42
gribouille	GeneralAntilles, is it the same with the N810 ?	19:42
GeneralAntilles	It'll really improve readability in a lot of lighting conditions.	19:42
GeneralAntilles	Plus, it protects the screen.	19:42
GeneralAntilles	Yes, gribouille.	19:42
gribouille	ok, thanks	19:43
GeneralAntilles	The touch layer is mildly glossy, so it tends to reflect light.	19:43
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Cptnodegard	GeneralAntilles, for use in a well lit classroom its useless unless you run the backlight at max	19:44
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GeneralAntilles	I have my N800 for that situation. :D	19:44
GeneralAntilles	Besides, laptops suck anyway.	19:44
Cptnodegard	same here, my friend with the glossy screen dont have one :p	19:44
Cptnodegard	there really is only one thing i use that the n800 cant do - photoshop	19:45
GeneralAntilles	Trackpads suck for photoshop anyway.	19:47
Khertan_on_n810	so ... bye	19:47
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GeneralAntilles	Bye, Khertan! :)	19:47
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gribouille	GeneralAntilles, are anti-glare screen protectors available in retail shops or do I have to buy it online ?	19:49
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GeneralAntilles	They may be, gribouille.	19:49
GeneralAntilles	But I highly doubt it	19:49
GeneralAntilles	Best to buy online.	19:49
Cptnodegard	i use a mouse not a trackpad :p	19:49
GeneralAntilles	Boxwave has them direct for $12	19:49
GeneralAntilles	Shop around a bit, though, as I've seen them around for about $9	19:50
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* GeneralAntilles recently went back to a trackball.		19:50
Cptnodegard	got a mx518 for my desktop and a MS wireless mouse 3000 for my lappy <3	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Used to play with an MX510	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Nice mouse	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Left-click gave out on me, though.	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Refurbished it and it worked for about another month.	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Now it's dead dead	19:51
Cptnodegard	:/	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Moved up to an MX Revolution.	19:51
Cptnodegard	the mx518 pwns	19:51
GeneralAntilles	Which is also now mostly dead.	19:51
Cptnodegard	lol mouserape	19:51
GeneralAntilles	I dunno	19:52
GeneralAntilles	Mice don't like my company. :(	19:52
GeneralAntilles	I like having lots of buttons.	19:52
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Cptnodegard	that sounded a bit perverted	19:52
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GeneralAntilles	I'm gonna replace the MX Revolution once I get some cash to throw around.	19:52
GeneralAntilles	~17 buttons with 1 shift key.	19:52
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GeneralAntilles	Control everything from the mouse. :D	19:52
GeneralAntilles	Plus that awesome scroll wheel.	19:52
Cptnodegard	lol	19:53
Cptnodegard	it wil go evil and take over your house	19:53
GeneralAntilles	Seriously	19:53
GeneralAntilles	The Revolution's scroll wheel is something to behold	19:53
Cptnodegard	oh?	19:53
GeneralAntilles	It's like kinetic scrolling for your desktop.	19:53
GeneralAntilles	You familiar with how it operates?	19:53
Cptnodegard	nice	19:53
Cptnodegard	kinetic scolling or the mouse?	19:53
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GeneralAntilles	The scroll wheel.	19:54
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Cptnodegard	nah havent tested one	19:54
GeneralAntilles	It's got two modes, ratcheted (like every other mouse on the planet) and freespin.	19:54
GeneralAntilles	You set it to disengage the clutch at a certain threshold	19:54
gribouille	do you use a special case to protect you tablet or not ?	19:54
GeneralAntilles	so when you want to scroll quickly, it switches to freespin.	19:54
Cptnodegard	nice	19:55
GeneralAntilles	and switches back when it stops moving	19:55
Cptnodegard	gribouille: of course :D bought one on ebay	19:55
GeneralAntilles	100% intuitive and awesome. :D	19:55
GeneralAntilles	gribouille, I just keep the bundled sleeve in my pocket and use it like a little sub-pocket.	19:55
GeneralAntilles	Have a case logic USB hard drive case for N800 + iGo when traveling.	19:55
gribouille	Cptnodegard, is it good ?	19:55
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Cptnodegard	gribouille: very. fits perfectly	19:56
gribouille	Cptnodegard, what is the name of the model ?	19:56
Cptnodegard	model IT? n800	19:57
gribouille	Cptnodegard, I mean, the model of the case	19:57
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Cptnodegard	gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-Book-Type_W0QQitemZ230244306772QQihZ013QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem	19:58
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gribouille	Cptnodegard, you can't use the tablet without opening the case, contrary to this one : http://europe.nokia.com/n800case	20:00
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Cptnodegard	define "use"	20:01
Cptnodegard	the kicckstand, no	20:01
GeneralAntilles	^	20:01
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GeneralAntilles	That's where all the cases fall apart for me.	20:01
GeneralAntilles	The kickstand is the most important feature. ;) :D	20:01
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Cptnodegard	whe at school i just take it out and put it on the igo stand	20:01
Cptnodegard	i very seldom use the kickstand	20:02
* Mousey uses the kickstand an embarassing amount		20:02
GeneralAntilles	I ALWAYS use the kickstand	20:02
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GeneralAntilles	Whether on not it's sitting on anything.	20:02
Cptnodegard	if i have it out, the igo is out, so i use that stand	20:02
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GeneralAntilles	It's a great handle.	20:02
gribouille	Cptnodegard, the case I need is to prevent damages to the tablet if it falls on the floor while I'm using it	20:03
harryslamm	Am struggling to get exec privs enabled on /media/mmc1 or 2. Is it possible?	20:04
Cptnodegard	get a silicon skin and cut hole for the kickstand	20:04
GeneralAntilles	harryslamm, FAT doesn't support permissions.	20:04
harryslamm	Ok	20:04
harryslamm	Can i reformat to ext or something?	20:04
GeneralAntilles	Sure	20:05
gribouille	Cptnodegard, when your case is closed, you can't use the tablet, can you ?	20:05
Cptnodegard	why not?	20:07
Cptnodegard	when its closed, no, but when the lid is flipped open i can	20:07
qwerty12	Bye, and GeneralAntilles, best of luck with the wiki stuff.	20:07
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Cptnodegard	gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/OZ-SELLER-Silicone-Silicon-Case-Cover-for-Nokia-N800_W0QQitemZ330227912217QQihZ014QQcategoryZ59913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem	20:08
gribouille	Cptnodegard, ok, thanks	20:09
lcuk	its a condom for your nokia	20:10
Cptnodegard	wearing it will make BT pairing less cheerful and sending files will fail :D	20:11
GeneralAntilles	Hahaha	20:11
lcuk	i gather it would stop sexually transimtted diseases, but airborne viruses will still get through	20:12
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Cptnodegard	you know youre a geek when you strap on a hardware firewall and have sex thinking she cant get pregnant	20:13
lcuk	you know you're just crazy if you buy a phallic shaped hardware firewall.	20:14
Cptnodegard	i want to mod something into those dealextreme stress relief boobs	20:15
gribouille	do you use skype with your tablet ?	20:16
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Cptnodegard	gribouille: i dont	20:16
gribouille	Cptnodegard, why not ?	20:16
Cptnodegard	i normally call cell phones, and in that area skype isnt cheap	20:16
Cptnodegard	0,24 usd a minute is actually about the same as using my cell	20:16
Cptnodegard	and i dont use it for normal chat	20:17
Cptnodegard	use irc/gtalk/msn	20:17
GeneralAntilles	Gizmo > Skype	20:17
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gribouille	GeneralAntilles, why ?	20:18
GeneralAntilles	Open protocols	20:18
GeneralAntilles	So you can use their service with just about any client	20:18
GeneralAntilles	particularly the built-in sip client (rtcomm)	20:18
GeneralAntilles	So you don't have to have a big, fugly 3rd party application open and hogging RAM all the time. ;)	20:19
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Cptnodegard	i find it peculiar that americans call it "fighting for freedom" when theyre actually the attacking nation	20:22
Cptnodegard	[/random politics]	20:23
gribouille	does wifi support handover ?	20:23
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mgedmin	Cptnodegard: they're fighting for their freedom to fight anyone they want to fight?	20:29
Cptnodegard	lmao	20:29
Cptnodegard	very well put	20:30
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lcuk	any idea how i find out my wep key? ive got it locked in both places and am adding a new machine but forgot what it was	20:43
GeneralAntilles	Crack it?	20:43
lcuk	if its easily done, sure	20:44
MangoFusion	remember it	20:44
GeneralAntilles	You should be using WPA2, anyway.	20:44
GeneralAntilles	An injector will crack it in under 2 minutes. :P	20:44
GeneralAntilles	Kismet on your desktop	20:44
lcuk	i tried i think but 810 wouldnt connect	20:44
lcuk	ill just change all the keys and see what i can get working	20:44
* lcuk didnt wanna rock the boat		20:45
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flavioribeiro	hi all, im trying to use hildon.App() but the device tell me that doesnt exist. somebody can help me?	20:52
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pupnik	hey qw	20:53
gribouille	how can I access to my tablet from my linux box with usb ?	20:53
pupnik	read learn	20:53
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Cptnodegard	lol the zoom extension for my canon a650is fits my old konica minolta cam	20:58
Cptnodegard	http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/z10.jpg	20:58
Cptnodegard	870mm	20:58
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dougt	is sbox2 now the official supported maemo build env?	21:25
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mgedmin	dougt: no	21:32
mgedmin	at least I haven't heard anything like that	21:32
* dougt points at the channel title.		21:33
GeneralAntilles	That's not official.	21:33
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\|Nazgul\|	hello	21:34
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RST38h	AFAIK SB2 does not allow debugging a program remotely with GDB	21:46
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jga23	anybody know if there is a program to boost the sound past 100%?	21:54
towo	Is it a known problem that the N810 just fails to connect to certain wireless networks, not being able to get an answer to a DHCP request? I checked on the routers, they sent out the reply, but it never arrived at the N810. Someone suggested that the kernel might drop dhcp packets not going to the global broadcast domain?	21:54
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liquid217_	jga23, if you are using mplayer, you can add an option to its config file to give it a little more gain. softvol, and softvol-max i believe	21:57
RST38h	software mixer gain != sound boot =(	21:57
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liquid217_	it can help if the video file isn't properly normalized	21:58
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RST38h	...toothy carnivore that can reach seven feet in length and has found a happy home along the canals of Cape Coral...	22:00
RST38h	lovely	22:00
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RST38h	I hope it has a taste for the long pig...	22:00
GeneralAntilles	Alligator?	22:00
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GeneralAntilles	What about 'em?	22:00
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RST38h	No, "nile monitor lizard"	22:00
jga23	liquid217_: is there any way to set it by default?	22:00
jga23	I want to be able to boost canola	22:00
RST38h	General: brought as pets to US, then left running wild as owners get tired of them	22:01
GeneralAntilles	Ah, right.	22:01
liquid217_	seems there was an ITT thread on it	22:01
RST38h	first burmese pythons, now these	22:01
RST38h	'Of the pythons, he said: "To me, it's a wonderful introduction. I think it's the best thing to happen to the Everglades in the last 200 years."' <--- fuck, yes!!!	22:02
liquid217_	jga23: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166215&postcount=18	22:02
* RST38h still can't forget that picture of a python bursting in half while trying to swallow an alligator		22:02
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jga23	liquid217_: perfect: thanks	22:03
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lcuk	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm	22:07
lcuk	snake alligator ^	22:07
RST38h	yeah, that one	22:07
\|Nazgul\|	sorry	22:07
lcuk	result 1 for "snake alligator" ;)	22:07
\|Nazgul\|	a good how-to about ipv6 on maemo????	22:08
\|Nazgul\|	sorry I'm italian	22:08
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lcuk	there was a guy in the news today caught with a 6foot croc on the parcel shelf of his car (driving down the highway)	22:09
lcuk	^alligator	22:10
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rkeene	Does anyone know if the Nokia 770, N800, and N810 all share a common power connector and common power requirements ?	22:13
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\|\|cw	rkeene: I think they do, same as the N-series phones	22:15
GeneralAntilles	Yes, they're all the same	22:15
GeneralAntilles	770 and N800 have the same battery.	22:15
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rkeene	GeneralAntilles, I'm not talking about the battery, talking about the DC connector to charge the battery.	22:17
AStorm	btw, what's the max current required by N810?	22:18
GeneralAntilles	[3:15pm] <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all the same	22:18
AStorm	rkeene: yes, 5V	22:18
AStorm	current might be diff	22:18
AStorm	but they're all driven by AC-4e	22:18
rkeene	GeneralAntilles, Right, but then you qualified it with information that led me to believe that you misunderstood the question (since the information was irrelevant)	22:18
AStorm	which is rated at 890 mA	22:19
rkeene	AStorm, So the physical connector is the same for all three ? Excellent.	22:19
AStorm	the q is: what's the true max current rating of the device?	22:19
AStorm	rkeene: aure	22:19
AStorm	but e.g. I have a charger rated at 650 mA	22:19
AStorm	and it has problems	22:20
GeneralAntilles	I have a charger rated at 380mA	22:20
GeneralAntilles	Works fine.	22:20
AStorm	when fully loading and charging battery?	22:21
GeneralAntilles	I'm sure it doesn't charge when it's under load	22:22
GeneralAntilles	but it doesn't have any "problems"	22:22
AStorm	mhm	22:22
\|\|cw	what's USB power rated at?	22:22
GeneralAntilles	500mA	22:23
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\|\|cw	770's charger is rated at 890, but charges and runs fine off USB	22:24
GeneralAntilles	They all use the same charger	22:24
GeneralAntilles	The power usage on all three should be very similar.	22:24
\|\|cw	so just because the charger is rated at something high, doens't mean the device will ever draw that much	22:24
AStorm	ok, so it's at most 300 mA	22:24
GeneralAntilles	\|\|cw, I'll guarantee you it's not actually charging when it's under load at 500mA	22:25
GeneralAntilles	It'll supplement the AC power with battery power when it's under load.	22:25
AStorm	yup	22:25
\|\|cw	how often is it really under that much load	22:25
AStorm	that's why I want the full rating	22:26
GeneralAntilles	890mA will definitely charge faster than 500mA, too.	22:26
AStorm	\|\|cw: possibly as long as you want it too	22:26
\|\|cw	realistically	22:26
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: really?	22:26
GeneralAntilles	When you load a website.	22:26
\|\|cw	for all of 30 seconds, then 5 minutes to read it?	22:26
GeneralAntilles	Interestingly enough, yes, AStorm.	22:26
AStorm	\|\|cw: or when compiling	22:26
GeneralAntilles	Or playing Doom	22:27
AStorm	GeneralAntilles: so, 500 mA is not enough, it's throttling charging	22:27
* \|\|cw sighs		22:27
GeneralAntilles	Meh	22:27
\|\|cw	right, forgot where I was...	22:27
GeneralAntilles	It'll charge	22:27
AStorm	650 mA is apparently not enough too	22:27
GeneralAntilles	I, too, would like some real power use figures, though, AStorm.	22:27
AStorm	the device is overloading the charger :P	22:27
AStorm	(the diode lights up more then, hehe)	22:28
AStorm	visible (charging) impulses	22:28
GeneralAntilles	OMAP at all cpu freq levels and max and minimum device levels.	22:28
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AStorm	ya	22:28
AStorm	we could measure that though	22:29
AStorm	need a miliamp meter though	22:29
GeneralAntilles	In particular, I want some hard figures to shoot down those Atom nuts with. :D	22:29
AStorm	guess I'll have to buy some cruddy one	22:29
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AStorm	alternatively, a sensitive energy counter	22:31
GeneralAntilles	It'd be more fun to go bash heads at Nokia and make them give us some numbers.	22:31
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AStorm	yup	22:31
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dreamerns	Does anyone know a good dictionary for maemo?	22:38
GeneralAntilles	sdict	22:39
AStorm	yup	22:39
dreamerns	With lots of words - 200000	22:39
GeneralAntilles	or WhiteStork	22:39
AStorm	dreamerns: then write your own dict file	22:40
dreamerns	My friend needs something like miriam-webster for nokia n810	22:40
dreamerns	It doesnt matter if its commercial	22:41
GeneralAntilles	The 1918 edition is public domain.	22:41
AStorm	the should use merriam-webster online dict :P	22:41
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dreamerns	Becouse of bad connections in serbia...he needs offline db	22:42
AStorm	hm, then aspell or sdict	22:42
lardman	about the power levels, it may be time consuming, but one could always fully charge then run until switch off and see how long it takes	22:43
AStorm	(aspell isn't the kind of dict you want)	22:43
AStorm	lardman: yeah, like with an energy counter	22:43
AStorm	but that wouldn't count battery charging	22:43
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dreamerns	Ok...tnx i ll check it out	22:43
AStorm	so useless	22:44
RST38h	lardman: I think there is a conversion script from msdict into stardict format	22:44
RST38h	lardman: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look	22:44
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lardman	AStorm: true, it would be problematic if you wanted to determine the energy useage while charging, but working it out while on battery alone would be useful	22:44
AStorm	RST38h: missed :P	22:44
RST38h	s/lardman/deamerns/	22:44
infobot	RST38h meant: deamerns: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look	22:44
RST38h	yep	22:44
AStorm	lardman: battery is charging (with my shite charger) slower than discharging	22:45
RST38h	AStorm: should not happen	22:45
lardman	AStorm: you using a phone charger?	22:45
lardman	AStorm: my Nokia phone charger produces far fewer mA than my IT one, according to the label	22:46
AStorm	lardman: sure	22:46
AStorm	IT charger is AC-4e	22:46
AStorm	standard Nokia one	22:47
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AStorm	but better than my fake which is rated 650 mA	22:47
flo_lap	re	22:47
AStorm	fun part is that it drives that AC-4e to the max too	22:48
AStorm	it gets hot	22:48
AStorm	so, I think it might be even 1A peak or more	22:48
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lardman	dunno where my phone charger's gone, but it was certainly rated at less than the IT ones	22:49
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RST38h	Something is majorly wrong there	22:50
RST38h	Nokia's charger barely gets hot after charging overnight here	22:50
AStorm	RST38h: ... it's hot while charging	22:51
AStorm	not after	22:51
lardman	RST38h: mine are generally warm, but then I always ignore the message to unplug	22:52
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RST38h	It is charging now - it is a bit warm to the touch (just checked) but not hot	22:52
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RST38h	BTW, I have ACP-12e charging my phone close by, and they are about the same temperature	22:53
GeneralAntilles	They switch off when not in use.	22:53
RST38h	General: Actually, they do not =(	22:53
RST38h	Not these, anyway	22:53
GeneralAntilles	Mine do.	22:53
RST38h	The device itself will shut battery off to prevent overcharging, but the power supply will continue draining current (less of it of course)	22:54
AStorm	RST38h: exactly	22:54
AStorm	it shouldn't get that warm	22:54
GeneralAntilles	When not plugged into a device.	22:54
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RST38h	Yes, even when not plugged into a device	22:54
KotCzarny	http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.04.18/fnp5.jpg	22:54
KotCzarny	o.o	22:54
KotCzarny	hi everyone	22:55
AStorm	RST38h: AC-8 is supposedly very efficient in that case	22:55
RST38h	heheh	22:55
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AStorm	but expensive	22:55
lardman	bloody computer crashed	22:55
KotCzarny	bloody? O.o	22:55
lardman	you reckon the blood doesn't help?	22:56
lardman	;)	22:56
* KotCzarny imagined blood on lardman's comp		22:56
AStorm	satan's machine!	22:56
lardman	nah, desk is too wide so I can't hit my head on the monitor as I curse it	22:56
KotCzarny	:)	22:56
RST38h	lardman: use tools	22:56
RST38h	a set of decorative antlers may be of some use for example	22:57
lardman	RST38h: I blame mixing nVidia graphics cards	22:57
AStorm	heheh	22:57
* RST38h has never had an nVidia graphics card		22:57
* KotCzarny had gf2mx400 and gf3ti400		22:58
KotCzarny	nice for nwn	22:58
KotCzarny	:)	22:58
RST38h	Trident Video Accelerator Cyber-XP4 !	22:58
lardman	7300 and 7800 work fine on their own, just not together	22:58
RST38h	I wonder why they did not put quotes around "accelerator"...	22:58
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lardman	Anyway, time for some TV, before back to the DSP	22:59
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* lcuk yawns and stretches		23:01
* Navi pats lcuk on the back		23:02
lcuk	im just glad another week is over	23:02
Navi	I'm not	23:02
lcuk	no, cos now the real hard work starts	23:02
Navi	Next week, I have an essay, C++ project, and two exams due	23:02
lcuk	who can i post my laptop to to get it working	23:03
KotCzarny	me	23:03
KotCzarny	:)	23:03
lcuk	4 or so weeks ill be stood up infront of (possibly) some of you lot talking about maemo	23:03
Navi	Whatcha gunna talks aboot?	23:03
lcuk	and i want my code to work before then	23:03
rkeene	AStorm, GeneralAntilles: The power connector for the Nokia 770, and N800 are different - btw	23:03
GeneralAntilles	No, they aren't.	23:03
* Navi would go if he lived on that continent		23:03
lcuk	platform choice, what made me (as a none tableteer) jump on this bandwagon	23:03
Navi	sexy	23:04
lcuk	and the alternatives i looked at first	23:04
Navi	I'll tell you what made me jump on it	23:04
Navi	It's a cool story	23:04
lcuk	go for it :) im also discussing you lot :P	23:04
Navi	My mom was being laid off from a Nokia assembly plant in Texas	23:04
Navi	they were selling phones for cheap, the newer ones like the N80 at the time for about fifty bucks	23:05
Navi	They were selling the 770s for 20 bucks, but my mom accidentally got the 770's predecessor instead	23:06
Navi	which sucked, btw.	23:06
KotCzarny	o.o	23:06
lcuk	there was something before the 770?	23:06
lcuk	:( @ job loss. hope shes sorted now. bonus at cheap tech :D	23:06
Navi	Something like it	23:06
KotCzarny	770 for a 20$?	23:06
KotCzarny	i would hit it	23:06
KotCzarny	:)	23:06
KotCzarny	~10 of them	23:06
GeneralAntilles	7710	23:06
GeneralAntilles	S90	23:06
Navi	It was a symbian phone	23:06
Navi	yeah	23:06
KotCzarny	great for multiplayer	23:06
lcuk	i would have 1000 and rule the world	23:06
lcuk	video wall :D	23:06
Navi	Limit: One per person	23:07
KotCzarny	one person or one family?	23:07
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lcuk	i am 10 men	23:07
Navi	one per person working there	23:07
lcuk	(im not really, im a 7 stone weekling :S)	23:07
Navi	She was a key op	23:07
KotCzarny	hum	23:07
lcuk	with an a	23:07
Navi	which was semi cool	23:07
KotCzarny	still, nice deal	23:07
Navi	This was a yearish ago	23:07
Navi	so 20 for a 770 was a good deal	23:08
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Navi	I didn't get one though :P	23:08
KotCzarny	you got 2? :P	23:08
Navi	I did research, found out it was teh Linux (being the advocate I am, had to have one).	23:08
Navi	Fast forward a year, and I bought an N800	23:09
Navi	and threw bricks at KotCzarny because he doesn't follow very well.	23:09
KotCzarny	i do	23:09
KotCzarny	i was just tricking you to sidestep from a story	23:09
KotCzarny	:)	23:09
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lcuk	cool navi :)	23:10
Navi	She still doesn't have a job :(	23:10
lcuk	i have been tryign to kickstart my touch habit for years	23:10
lcuk	:( @ mum	23:10
KotCzarny	'touch habit' o.O	23:10
KotCzarny	this channel is full of pervs	23:11
KotCzarny	:)	23:11
lcuk	yes :)	23:11
KotCzarny	nokia should put a 'touch me' sticker on the screen	23:11
KotCzarny	or box	23:11
KotCzarny	:)	23:11
lcuk	ive been trying for years to get something nice and touchable, it essentially started iwth the SPECTRUM - it had a lightpen interface which i fell in love with	23:12
lcuk	but my friend needed it back and that was that :(	23:12
KotCzarny	heh	23:12
KotCzarny	lightpen, is it similiar to 8bit atari lightgun ?	23:12
lcuk	anyway, fast foreward a number of years - light pens went away and tablets became horrendously expensive	23:12
lcuk	same idea, its got an ldr in the tip and it watched for the scanbeam	23:13
KotCzarny	heh	23:13
KotCzarny	there was a trick to just point the gun at a lamp an you would have 100% accuracy	23:13
KotCzarny	:)	23:13
lcuk	anyway, picked up a number of drawing tablet things and played with those starting to get some ideas	23:14
lcuk	got a pda which was cack and low resolution but did enough for me to use it (plus it was slow and only really ran MS .shit compact thingy)	23:14
lcuk	then all of a sudden last year, all these cheap speedy hand held devices came out - there are a few archos devices, the iphone/ipod etc	23:15
AStorm	and IT :P	23:15
lcuk	i'd seen the 800 but it didnt appeal	23:15
lcuk	form factor looked off - the 770 was nicer but at the time mony was tighter so it wasnt investigated quite as fully	23:16
lcuk	anyway, engadget had an article announcing the 810. i think i almost wet myself	23:16
KotCzarny	heh	23:16
KotCzarny	:)	23:16
lcuk	it looked perfect :)	23:17
lcuk	it looked fast :)	23:17
lcuk	it ran linux :)	23:17
KotCzarny	i got it because it ran linux and was cheap enough to try	23:17
lcuk	i had to have it. no matter what. it was more expensive than the archos, but it was open. it also had buttons on the facia to do stuff	23:17
KotCzarny	(150$ secondhand)	23:17
KotCzarny	(n800)	23:17
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lcuk	i was coming down on the ipod before i had seen it, but the resolution of 810 blew me away	23:18
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lcuk	so, ive got my 810	23:18
lcuk	and it will do exactly what i want it to do :)	23:18
lcuk	no other device could give me that	23:19
KotCzarny	yet	23:19
KotCzarny	:)	23:19
voodoo_laptop	anyone here uk based and knows where i can get an 8gb card?	23:20
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lcuk	linux & development has been tough though. the learning curve has been immense, but that comes from being shielded inside vb for so long	23:20
KotCzarny	voodoo: online shop	23:20
KotCzarny	lcuk: but once you're there, you love it :)	23:21
lcuk	voodoo scan in bolton: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=743956	23:22
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lcuk	its the most intense game i have ever played. i'm playing for my future	23:22
KotCzarny	:)	23:22
voodoo_laptop	the end game boss for that game is impossible	23:22
lcuk	voodoo_laptop, that 8gb card is microsd, check if the adapter it comes with is mini	23:23
lcuk	and the game is worth playing, im leveling up nicely	23:23
voodoo_laptop	i have a mini/micro adapter somewhere	23:23
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lcuk	might be worth taking 810 with you and testing in store first	23:24
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lcuk	or are you miles away	23:24
KotCzarny	he didn't say he has 810.. i think	23:25
KotCzarny	:)	23:25
voodoo_laptop	well i havnt got my 810 yet cause play.com have messed me about	23:25
lcuk	KotCzarny, i think i play the game a little differently to other people. but as long as it gets intended results i dont mind	23:25
KotCzarny	:)	23:25
lcuk	i got mine direct from nokia - i HAD to have it before xmas	23:25
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RST38h	Going to reboot into Linux and upload some packages into extras...	23:37
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flyguy	I am using Chinook 4.0.1, everytime I quit my program it gives a memory map and then says core dumped. Is this anything to worry about?	23:40
KotCzarny	probably	23:40
KotCzarny	notify the author	23:40
RST38h	He said my program =)	23:41
KotCzarny	ah, morning reading	23:41
KotCzarny	sorry	23:41
KotCzarny	:)	23:41
flyguy	here is my program http://rafb.net/p/L8sMOo63.html	23:42
Cptnodegard	http://thepiratebay.org/ LMAO @ logo	23:42
flyguy	is there anything glaringly wrong, it will eventually be a flash card program for my kids to learn their vocab words	23:43
KotCzarny	flyguy: have you considered pygtk ?	23:44
flyguy	never programmed in python, but yes, though of giving it a go	23:45
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flyguy	thought	23:45
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KotCzarny	hmm	23:46
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KotCzarny	nothing glaringly suspicious	23:48
RST38h	flyguy: you are probably not shutting down gtk correctly	23:49
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flyguy	sorry, have to pick up my kid from school be back in 10	23:50
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RST38h	f;lyguyL you are not doing gtk_init	23:52
RST38h	that may be the reason why it is getting problems later	23:52
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