IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-04-18

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unixSnobi'm so glad that big NIT banner was removed from that thing was an eyesore, and blocked buttons on small screens01:14
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NOCmadmanis there any easyway to setup scratchbox in windows using andlinux as my laptop does not play well with linux01:57
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wndNOCmadman, use vmware and ready-made hard drive image that contains a copy of gnu/linux and that has scratchbox installed. don't ask me more, I never tried or saw it myself. I only know that such image exists somewhere.02:01
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unixSnob <= That's a good power to USB cable.. I just tested it to make sure it works, if anyone is interested.  $7 shipped.02:07
unixSnobit works on the n80002:07
NOCmadmanyea i was gona do that but i do alot of things remotly ad vmware dont like logmein plust the only vmware image i found was very outdated if i could find a newer one that would work great. does anyone know the link to a current image ?02:11
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gribouilleI've just installed openssh-server on my Nokia N800, but I can't ssh to it. what's wrong ?02:13
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gribouillecan someone help me please ?02:17
KotCzarnycan you ping it?02:17
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gribouilleKotCzarny, yes02:18
KotCzarnynmap ?02:18
gribouilleKotCzarny, why nmap ?02:19
gribouille22/tcp open  ssh02:19
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KotCzarnythen ssh -v (or -d)02:20
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gribouilleKotCzarny, Permission denied, please try again.02:20
KotCzarnypermission denied to what?02:21
gribouilleKotCzarny, but when I ssh from my N800 (with the same password), it works fine02:21
KotCzarnythen your windows/firewall/network seems broken02:22
gribouilleKotCzarny, when ssh asks the passqord02:22
KotCzarnyor you have simply mistype the pass02:22
KotCzarnysudo password (on device)02:22
KotCzarnyor any other mean to reset the pass02:22
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|thunderInstall putty02:23
|thunderWill make ssh magiically work02:23
KotCzarny'install' is a big word02:23
gribouilleKotCzarny, it still doesn't work02:24
|thunderAs a client02:24
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KotCzarnygribouille: i can't think of anything other than some trivial mistake02:24
gribouilleKotCzarny, where does ssh log its activity ?02:24
KotCzarnyusually to /var/log/secure02:25
|thunder-  /etc/init.d/ssh  restart02:25
KotCzarnybut syslogd is missing02:25
KotCzarnyyou will have to install it02:25
KotCzarnyyou can try running sshd directly02:25
KotCzarnywith -d flag02:25
KotCzarnythat will not detach it from console and print some debug messages02:26
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gribouilleKotCzarny, but sshd is already running02:26
KotCzarnythen also add -p 2222202:26
KotCzarnyand test it on another port02:27
lcddgribouille: are you logging in as user 'user'?02:29
KotCzarnygood point02:29
KotCzarnytry root@n800ip02:29
gribouillelcdd, no, as root02:29
gribouilleKotCzarny, ok, it works now. yhanks02:30
KotCzarnywhat was wrong?02:30
gribouilleKotCzarny, typo ;-(02:30
KotCzarnyas i said, something trivial :)02:31
gribouillewhat happens if I forget root's password ?02:31
KotCzarnyyou reset it with sudo02:31
KotCzarnyor maybe reinstalling ssh server will ask again02:32
KotCzarnyyou can try using permanent marker too02:32
gribouilleKotCzarny, what's that ?02:32
gribouilleah, good idea ;-)02:33
gribouilleI have problems figuring out what memory/storage there is in an out-of-the-box N80002:35
gribouillethat's my first Internet tablet02:35
KotCzarny128mb sdram, 256mb flash, 2x sdhc slot02:35
termsigbut u can  check with top command and df02:35
KotCzarnytop is.. complicated02:36
termsignow it's really easy ;)02:36
gribouillewhere is the OS stored ?02:36
KotCzarnyon the flash02:36
KotCzarnybut you can clone it to the sd card and boot/run from there02:37
termsigbut u can boot from card.02:37
termsiguh, lag ;)02:37
gribouillethe flash is /dev/mtdblock4, right ?02:37
gribouilleso, my sdhc card is mounted on /media/mmc1 ?02:38
KotCzarnydepending in which slot it is02:39
termsigand mmc202:39
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termsigif i`m not wrong mmc2 it's inside and mmc1 it's outside card.02:39
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gribouilleis /home/user on the flash ?02:40
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gribouilleok, I see clearly now02:41
gribouilledo you have N800 or N810 ?02:42
KotCzarny(first again)02:42
gribouilleKotCzarny, do you miss a physical keyboard ?02:43
KotCzarnybut not that much02:43
Mouseywhy can't i get canola2 to connect to
Mouseysomething about my system time02:43
KotCzarnyi have bt kb02:43
KotCzarnyand there are some replacement osk too02:43
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gribouilleosk ?02:44
termsiggribouille: n810 keyboard it's not so nice too..02:44
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gribouilletermsig, why ?02:44
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termsigbecause it's really small and if somone have big fingers it's really hard to write quick.02:44
KotCzarnyor long finger nails02:45
gribouillewhat do you use you tablet for ?02:45
termsigit's not my problem ;P02:45
KotCzarnymedia player, web browser, games, ssh sometimes02:45
KotCzarnyfun gadget to use on the go02:46
KotCzarnyfor the places where getting out laptop isn't so convenient02:46
gribouilledoes anyone know if bash is available ?02:46
gribouillewhere ?02:46
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KotCzarnyprobably, but it's advised not to use it as a default sh02:47
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gribouillewhy ?02:47
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termsigapt-get mate.02:47
KotCzarnyonly thing that i can think of is that scripts were tested only with busybox's shell02:47
KotCzarnyand memory requirements02:47
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* Mousey loves the n810 keyboard02:48
* Mousey didn't by the n800 cuz it didn't have a keyb02:49
|thunder800 under 200$ nib02:49
* KotCzarny bought n800 because it was 3x cheaper than n81002:49
KotCzarnyand i'm thinking that 800 is superior to 81002:50
Mousey...there's that02:50
KotCzarnybut it's only my opinion02:50
Mouseyi'm thinking you're crazy ;)02:50
Mouseyi'm gonna get an n800 to, and use it for usb storage02:50
KotCzarnyeveryone has different needs02:50
Mousey64gb solid state storage tablet!! w00t!!02:50
|thunderSame  hardware minnus the gps02:50
termsigguys it's depence.. for what u using u n8x002:50
KotCzarnymousey: or more, if sd goes up02:50
|thunder64gb ???????02:51
Mouseyhey, has anyone gotten their SD cards to format as ext2/3?02:51
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KotCzarnyno reason to argue which one is better02:51
Mousey|thunder: yea 2x 32gb cards02:51
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Mouseyi like microUSB, i hate miniSD02:51
KotCzarnymousey: wanna see my clone script?02:51
KotCzarnyi like full sized sd02:51
Mouseyme too02:51
termsig32Gb is out?02:51
|thunderMusy, ii have. use ext2, ext3 will kill a sd  card02:51
KotCzarnytermsig: yes02:51
Mouseytermsig: yea, good luck finding it tho02:51
KotCzarnybut expensive02:51
KotCzarny~150$ for card02:52
RedPenguinAnyone know what's going on, I can hear sound on my N810's speakers nice and loud but when I plug in the headphones I can barely hear02:52
KotCzarnythunder: give me proof :)02:52
|thunderHow  ??02:52
KotCzarnyredpenguin: probably it's for health reasons02:52
termsigi saw 16Gb for 95 quid02:52
KotCzarnylet me check02:52
termsigKotCzarny: any website for 32Gb?02:52
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KotCzarnyi saw them on newegg some time ago02:53
|thunderEXt3 is journaled,   that kills solid state02:53
KotCzarnythunder: not true02:53
Mousey|thunder: yea, ext2 would be what i used02:53
Mouseyi'd LOVE to use LVM02:53
RedPenguinthere's a button it seems like on the headphones, or is that just nothing? Right around where I guess it's the mic?02:53
|thunderIt works great for me02:53
KotCzarnyi'm using ext3 on sd and cf for quite a long time already02:54
KotCzarnyand no bbs observed, yet02:54
KotCzarny(long time: 1-2 years)02:54
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|thunderKot, the problem is that e ery time you write to the part, th journal is updated, doubling your writes. What do you see as being the advantage of 3 over 2 ??02:55
KotCzarnyok, i probably saw 150$ on 16gb card02:55
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KotCzarnythunder: yeah, double writes, but, how long it will last?02:56
termsigKotCzarny: 16Gb max on newgg for sdhc cards..02:56
|thunderKotCzarny: half as long as it coulc, obviously02:57
KotCzarnythunder: and how long it is?02:57
KotCzarny10 years?02:57
|thunderThats not the point. The point is there is no afvantage02:57
derfOne write to a journal sector can encompass _many_ writes to other sectors.02:57
KotCzarnyby the time you reach your first bb you would be using some other technology02:57
derfI doubt it's anywhere near a 2:1 ratio.02:58
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* lcuk installed ubuntu proper on proper real hardware tonight02:58
lcuksomething like that :)02:58
KotCzarnyderf, even at 5:1 ratio it's still LONG time with current sd/cf cards02:59
texelAnybody managed to get Poky installed on an N810 at all?02:59
|thunderIts one journal update per completed file modification.02:59
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KotCzarnythunder: that's only with journal=data mount option02:59
derfNow, if you _really_ want to kill the card, mount something without noatime.02:59
KotCzarnyif you have noatime it won't be that often03:00
KotCzarnybtw. do you know that by default jffs2 is mounted without noatime? (i think)03:00
KotCzarnysame for vfat partitions03:00
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derfReally? I never even checked.03:01
Mouseyye godz03:01
KotCzarnyderf: mount |grep noatime03:01
derfI simply assumed no one was that incompetent these days.03:01
Mouseyso ext2, n800 SD cards? not out of the question?03:01
KotCzarnyi will go with ext3 over ext203:02
Mouseyok, i rephraze03:02
Mouseyso ext2/3, n800 SD cards? not out of the question?03:02
KotCzarnyif you happen to crash you would be writing many times during fsck03:02
KotCzarnymousey: i'm running my os2008 on sd/ext303:02
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KotCzarnybut ext2 is just a removed journal and corrected bootmenu entry03:03
KotCzarnybah, you can even use xfs or reiser i think03:03
KotCzarnyas long you have added proper module to initfs03:04
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KotCzarnyi think nice addition would be some compressed fs03:05
KotCzarny200mb jffs2 takes ~360mb on ext303:06
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Mouseyso is there mkinitfs or mkinitramfs?03:07
Mouseyand wait, ext2/3 is a module?03:07
KotCzarnybut it's available already03:08
Mouseyrats on fire03:08
Mouseyoh good03:08
KotCzarnyin stock initfs03:08
|thunderNo, format and go03:08
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Mouseyok, not really03:08
KotCzarnymousey: fgoogle for fanoush initfs03:08
MouseyKotCzarny: that dude is a fanatic03:08
KotCzarnyit has some nice options03:08
KotCzarnyas most of us03:08
Mouseyguess there's that03:09
Mouseymy big fear is i'll have a build environment for this thing one day03:09
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|thunderId like to get the sdk up03:11
|thunderAnd running03:11
lcukon device?03:11
Mouseyone day i'll CROSS COMPILE!03:12
lcukone day (soon) ill write my own compiler and just compile what i see as i make it03:13
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KotCzarnyand connect it directly to your neurons network?03:16
lcukno, my fingers will make the connections03:17
lcuktouch is such an intuitive interface :)03:18
NOCmadmandoes anyone have a link to a current vmwarer image for scratchbox so i can tinker with stuff for the n80003:19
lcukthe more i think about this tablet, the more i think it should be designed for touch03:19
NOCmadmani found a few diffrent ones just not sure whats current as things change so fast03:19
KotCzarnydouble sided touch?03:19
NOCmadmanthank you03:19
lcukno prob :) good luck with it03:19
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NOCmadmani just wanna tinker with stuff without breaking my n800 i am hoping it makes things easier03:20
KotCzarnythere are only 2 ways to break the n80003:20
KotCzarnyone is a physical03:21
lcuk3 if you include urination03:21
KotCzarnysecond is breaking bootloader03:21
KotCzarnyi count urination as physical03:21
Mouseyis there a point to installing another window manager?03:21
lcukif you want to treat the device as a desktop device it will be worth it03:21
KotCzarnybut that's personal03:21
Mouseyi'd like more traditional x11 behavior without nuking the box03:21
KotCzarnyor if you just can't stand matchbox03:22
lcukat this point i dont think there are any touch based win managers available are there?03:22
NOCmadmanim afraid i may have already broken something as when i got it it would boot in about 7-10 seconds since i flashed it to newest version it now hangs on nokia splash screen for 15-20 seconds before it finishes booting03:22
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lcukthat could just be the newer operating system os2007 vs os2008?03:22
lcuki never had the older one (ive got an 810)03:22
lcukdid it have '07 when you got it03:23
NOCmadmanit had 08  on it when i got it but i had some power bug and could not power it on unless plugged in the flash fixed that but now takes 2x as long to boot03:23
lcukahhh dunno then, im still on the umm original? os2008?03:23
Mouseyi wish matchbox was more flexible03:23
lcuki know a newer one came out03:23
KotCzarnymousey: define 'flexible'03:24
lcukanyway, not long left of this evening and much to do03:24
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Mouseylike the menus on the side ONLY show 3 menus, only one of which i use [contacts? c'mon], and it's stuck on the left, can i put it on the right? i'm left handed.. also the fixed applet panel can't be moved or extended03:25
KotCzarnymouser: install personal menu03:25
Mouseyand why are the applet and taskbar and menu panels all separate anyway? why not generic panels with a taskbar applet and a systray applet03:25
KotCzarnyas for stuckiness, install rotation hack and just draw the menu to the side you want03:25
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Mouseyok so there are workarounds, i'm just sayin matchbox could be more flexible and save me some memory/filesystem space03:26
Mouseyooo, whats navit03:26
Mouseyin the meantime i'll have to look into rotation hack ^_^, is it related to xrandr?03:27
Mouseyi discovered i can display remote X clients the other night, that's completely cool03:28
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skiburwhat is mmc-unionfs for n800?03:36
skiburis unionfs faster?03:36
KotCzarnytool to extend fs on another card03:36
KotCzarny(or device)03:36
skiburo ok03:36
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KotCzarnyit's already used by knoppix i think03:37
KotCzarnyfor a long time03:37
skiburwill it destory N800?03:37
lcddunionfs is pretty cool03:37
KotCzarnyok, back to ff803:38
skiburI C, its used on Live CD03:39
skibursorry about the shift03:39
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Mouseyah ha!03:40
Mouseyin lieu of LVM03:41
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* Mousey wants his n800 all the more now03:41
jga23_is there any way to get the w32 binary codecs on the n810?03:42
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KotCzarnyjga23: nope03:42
KotCzarnynot in practical way03:42
texeljga23: unfortunately, the w32 binary codecs are compiled for Intel little-endian CPUs.03:42
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texelYou can't run that code directly on the OMAP inside the ITs.03:42
jga23ahh, ok, bummer03:43
GeneralAntillesI don't think I've ever heard them described that way, texel. :P03:43
KotCzarnyi wonder if arm included third core based on x86 instructions (even old ones as in p2)03:43
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texelGeneralAntilles: well, I can't exactly state every single CPU line they've made for desktops... =op03:43
texelThough I probably could have just said "x86" and left it at that. =op03:43
GeneralAntilles^ ;)03:44
KotCzarnytexel: arm used in IT is little endian too03:44
texelAh. Okay, so I was somewhat inaccurate.03:44
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texelBut the point is still true: the opcodes are considerably different.03:44
GeneralAntillesThe endianness is probably the least important part of the incompatibilities. :D03:44
texelYeah. =op03:44
KotCzarnyendiannes is a b*ch when porting bad software03:45
texelKotCzarny: but can easily be translated.03:45
texelOpcode styles, not so much. =op03:45
KotCzarnytexel: ever heard about hidden bugs?03:45
KotCzarnyand bad coding style?03:45
* texel shrugs03:45
KotCzarny'hey, i wonder what that piece of code does'03:46
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KotCzarnyand after it turns out it's used in more than one place every change could be bug inducing03:46
Mouseysounds like windows coding03:49
KotCzarnym$ windows has it's own problems03:49
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* Mousey installs too many repos and angers his tablet03:51
KotCzarnyinstall a perfect os, clone, then break cloned one as many times as you want03:51
Mouseymaybe i _should_ be looking at your clone script03:52
KotCzarnylet me know if you need link03:52
Mouseysure, i'll bite03:53
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gribouilledoes flash work well with OS 2008 ?04:14
GeneralAntillesWell enough.04:14
GeneralAntillesYouTube works.04:14
gribouilleand google maps ?04:14
GeneralAntillesIt's not perfect, but you don't get perfect with a 400MHz ARM. ;)04:14
GeneralAntillesGoogle maps is AJAX04:14
KotCzarnyuse maemo mapper04:14
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, and does it work too ?04:15
GeneralAntillesAJAX performance isn't great on the old Gecko snapshot MicroB is using now.04:15
GeneralAntillesIt works04:15
GeneralAntillesbut it's a little slow04:15
GeneralAntillesshould be a lot faster in Diablo.04:15
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gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what's that Diablo ?04:15
GeneralAntillesmaemo 4.104:16
GeneralAntillesNext OS2008 release.04:16
lcukif you believe the hype its the lost city of gold04:16
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, wgen will it be released ?04:16
GeneralAntilles"Q2 2008"04:16
GeneralAntillesWhat hype, lcuk?04:16
lcukthe general buzz :) i believe a lot of very talented people are working towards this and will make really good improvements :)04:17
gribouilledo the N800 and N810 work well or not ?04:17
lcukfor me yes04:18
lcukits our house computer04:18
GeneralAntillesgribouille, nobody can answer that question for you.04:18
GeneralAntillesI absolutely love my tablets04:18
gribouilleI ask this question because the N800 doesn't seem very robust to me04:18
GeneralAntillesThey're basically perfect for my purposes.04:18
KotCzarnyheh.. expectations04:18
lcukits almost never out of use with people surfing the web (slow == better than none), playing games or developing on it04:19
KotCzarnygrib: you have to know what you're gonna use it for04:19
KotCzarny(or any other device)04:19
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, for some reason, google maps doesn't work anymore on my N80004:19
KotCzarnygrib: use maemo-mapper04:19
GeneralAntillesWhat are you running?04:19
GeneralAntillesOpera on OS2007?04:19
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, no, I upgraded to OS 200804:19
gribouilleKotCzarny, but I want to see satellite photograps too04:20
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KotCzarnygrib: and? just change map source04:20
GeneralAntillesgribouille, Maemo Mapper04:20
gribouilleok, I'll see04:21
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lcukGeneralAntilles, my dad won't get anything like this, hes looking at a gps mapper which contains proper ordinance survey map regions of the uk.04:21
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lcuk-GeneralAntilles lol04:21
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GeneralAntillesur dad sux!04:22
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gribouilleis r&d mode really useful ?04:22
GeneralAntillesWhy do you need it?04:22
lcukno hes not, but hes miffed - each map of a small area is about £3004:22
gribouillefor root access04:22
lcukwhats r&d mode?04:22
GeneralAntillesEffectively, a normal user get root access without any 3rd party stuff and no power button delay.04:23
GeneralAntillesNot much useful04:23
GeneralAntillesJust install easyroot.04:23
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lcuk"no power button delay" ?  what is this voodoo you speak of?04:23
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lcukyou mean it would actually go off instantly?04:23
KotCzarnylcuk: nope04:24
KotCzarnyboot time option04:24
GeneralAntillesTurn on04:24
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gribouillewhen flashing the tablet, why does the battery need to be fully charged ?04:24
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GeneralAntillesSo it doesn't suddenly power off during the flashing of NOLO and brick your device.04:25
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GeneralAntillesIt really only needs to have enough juice to stay on for 30 seconds or so.04:25
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GeneralAntillesBut better safe than broken.04:25
lcukno dont tell him that - full charge04:25
GeneralAntillesAlternatively, you can turn it on while holding down the home key and inserting the barrel charger.04:26
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gribouilleand do we need to wait untill the battery is completely empty to charge it or not ?04:26
GeneralAntillesThat's exactly what you shouldn't do04:27
gribouillelcuk, why ?04:27
GeneralAntillestop off whenever you can.04:27
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what shouldn't I do ?04:27
KotCzarnyit should always be ~40-70%04:27
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GeneralAntillesActually, the best recommendation is to use it however is convenient for you.04:27
KotCzarny(for battery life)04:28
GeneralAntillesJust avoid discharging it down to zero as much as possible.04:28
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lcukgribouille, just make sure the battery is charged before flashing.  it is the most important and potentially risk operation you can perform with your device. do not waver from the instructions04:28
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|thunderJst plug her in04:32
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|thunderThats what i do, turn device off, plug into usb, start flasher3 on ubuntu then plug in to start flash process04:37
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gribouille|thunder, that's exactly what I did ;-)04:37
|thunderThats the best way04:37
KotCzarnyi just used mtdtools04:38
KotCzarnyno usb, no holding buttons04:38
KotCzarnyno magic04:38
KotCzarnyTHAT's the best way04:38
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HrwKotCzarny: kernel update?04:39
|thunderIm not familiar with that. Usb from ubuntu is ro k solid easy04:40
KotCzarnyyes, whatever works for you04:40
KotCzarnyjust don't tell that it's the only way04:40
gribouillebtw, is java available ?04:40
GeneralAntillesSee Jalimo, gribouille.04:41
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|thunderJalimo, has browser pluginn ??04:44
GeneralAntillesShould be able to run most applets from xterm, though.04:44
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|thunderThat'd  be hot  if someone wrote an app that loaded jvm for cellphone games on one half of the screen and had an onscreen key pad on the left that modeled the layout of a cell  phone.04:47
|thunderTo play the millions of games for cell phones04:47
lcukbut i can do that already?04:48
HrwKotCzarny: is there a way to enable r&d without using flasher tool?04:49
KotCzarnyand more04:49
KotCzarnyhrw: yes, it's the only way04:49
KotCzarnythough, i never used it04:49
KotCzarnynever needed it04:49
Hrwi need to enable it for n800 emu04:49
unixSnobhow do you folks access a samba share from a NIT file manager?04:50
Hrwdue to standard lack of sources/infos04:50
HrwunixSnob: normally - via using sylus or keyboard04:50
termsigunixSnob: u need install soft04:50
unixSnobtermsig: which app?04:51
termsigwhat os u using?04:52
Hrwos2008 has it done. most apps do not get it anyway04:53
termsig and look for mount..04:55
|thunderlcuk: you how do you play cell phone games?04:55
lcukon my cell phone.  its in my pocket more than my 81004:55
|thunderLol,    i want them on my 800 with onscreen kb04:56
|thunderNot the hildon one though.04:57
lcuki want real new interesting games designed for touch :)04:57
lcukhave you played with numptyphysics?04:57
|thunderNumpty is nice04:57
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|thunderI like making trebuchets04:58
lcukit feels good to do real things and get real interaction04:58
lcukwe need more :)04:58
|thunderCan you all beat all the levels  ?04:58
|thunderFind a swf games called squares04:59
lcukflash is not smooth04:59
|thunderGoogle : squares filetype:swf04:59
lcuk(numpty isnt but its close enough)04:59
|thunderThis game is04:59
termsigguys anyone know good bluetooth modem for n810 with good battery? i want using it with UK "Three" mobile broadband.05:01
|thunderNo idea05:02
unixSnobsorry i was AFK.  I'm using OS2008, and did not see a way to mount a samba share in the file manager05:02
lcukthunder, that game looks wicked on big screen, and can see why it may be nice on device - ill try it tomorrow05:03
lcukthx for hint :) if its smooth enough i might just change my mind a little about flash05:03
termsigunixSnob: i said, look on that site..05:03
unixSnobk, thanks05:04
HrwunixSnob: there is no way to mount them in FM. it only browse them05:05
unixSnobwell, browsing is fine for me too05:05
Hrwmounting would be nice too - I have lot of music on one share..05:06
unixSnobtermsig: i searched that page for "mount" nothing came up.. not sure which app you're talking about05:08
unixSnobhrw seemed to say browsing samba shares is possible w/ the stock apps, but i don't see how05:09
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|thunderIts east, just start file manager and itll pop up if available05:11
|thunderlcuk: that game owns on n80005:12
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unixSnobthat's a bummer.. my samba shares are not discoverable on some of my platforms05:14
unixSnobi hate to rely on discovery05:14
johnxthere are fuse and smbnetfs packages floating around05:15
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|thunderSee if you can add them to fstab05:28
|thunderOhh,, i guess that would requirw smbnetfs05:29
johnxor smbmount05:30
johnxand smbfs.ko05:30
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unixSnobhere's a pretty good demo of pro-clips w/ the NIT =>
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WormFoodIt would be soooo nice if I could get a version of "anki" for maemo06:41
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WormFoodunfortunately it is written for kde :(06:41
WormFooddoes anyone know if that program has been ported to maemo yet?06:42
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liquid217WormFood: have you tried it under Garnet VM?
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WormFoodI don't even know what that is06:44
NaviAny screenshots of garnetvm on the N800 in action?06:44
* WormFood looks at the url06:44
MouseyNavi: i had it working on my n81006:44
NaviNo screenies?06:44
Mouseyit looks like a palm06:45
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WormFoodweee...that was fun06:45
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WormFoodcan I ride the net split again?06:45
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MouseyNavi: if i can install it, anybody can06:46
WormFoodI fail to see how GVM will allow me to run "Anki"06:46
NaviMousey, I'm too lazy.06:46
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Mouseywell if i install it again i'll take pictures ;)06:46
liquid217WormFood: i assumed that this was the 'anki' you referred to
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WormFooddifferent program, but same function06:47
WormFood this is what I was talking about06:49
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WormFoodthanks liquid217, I'll try to check it out later (no time right now, I'm at work)06:50
WormFooddoes GVM need ROMs?06:51
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* WormFood sighs06:52
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WormFooddoes anyone have a download url for it, without having to signup?06:52
liquid217honestly, im not sure on garnet vm, on either question.  I just know its available06:52
mbufinotify-tools is available for maemo?06:52
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liquid217WormFood: just tried compiling anki in scratchbox with mudbuilder.  It looks like it has a ton of dependencies though.06:59
WormFoodI installed it under debian, and it wanted to download about 160 meg of kde crap06:59
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WormFoodI'm going to lunch (really breakfast for me)....see you guys later07:05
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ZieglerI lost adobe flash on my nit...  After dosbox install possibly07:06
ZieglerAny thoughts07:06
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Mouseythat, good sir, is an idiot08:53
RST38hThere are also a GPS unit and ~15 screaming schoolgirls present in the picture.08:55
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RST38hThe driver is probably deaf now.08:56
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Khertan_on_n810Hi !09:09
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Khertan_on_n810GeneralAntilles > there was an error in timer of home applet :)09:15
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JaffaMorning, all10:45
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qwerty12hrw, morning. I know the n800 emulation is broken but is there any way to "modify" the config.mtd?11:37
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hrwenable r&d?11:47
hrwand blame nokia ;)11:48
hrwproblem is based on battery reading11:48
hrwinitfs checks battery and do not boot if there is no such one. but battery support is closed11:48
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hrwbtw - n800 emulation is (C) Nokia11:49
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pupnikthx for that correction s/application manager/dpkg GeneralAntilles12:42
GeneralAntillesHehe, sure.12:42
GeneralAntillesOne spot among a thousand where we can't entirely blame Nokia. :D12:43
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pupnikBLEH i say. I suppose it's not 'worth doing' but it'd be ~nice~ if we could install from file and get dependencies12:43
pupnikOn the other hand, it'd be nice if I started finishing up packages and submitted to extras12:44
GeneralAntillesIt's Debian behavior12:44
GeneralAntillesI'm sure they have a rationale for it.12:44
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pupnikgtg -- bbl12:44
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ta for the plug13:16
GeneralAntillesI plug things I like. :D13:16
JaffaMaybe I'll be superfluous when the N900 gets released, but I'm sure I can find something else to do :)13:18
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jottt, dass Sie an DealExtreme bezahlt haben.$21,43 USD mit PayPal bezahlt haben.13:19
jottDer Wechselkurs für diesen Einkauf beträgt 1 EUR = 1,55276USD13:19
Cptnodegardeuro, dollar, pound... all shit low atm13:20
Cptnodegardseems like the entire world is going to hell except us13:20
JaffaUs == ?13:20
Cptnodegardsince every other currency is low compared to NOK13:21
GeneralAntillesI dunno, 1080p is becoming more popular13:21
GeneralAntillesYou could always transcode that to whatever works for it. :D13:21
Veggennah, euro has been pretty stable, hasn't it?13:21
Cptnodegardunde 8NOK :p13:22
jottCptnodegard: on the other hand most of the things in NO are expensive :)13:22
Veggennot compared to NOK, but that's because NOK has risen.13:22
Cptnodegardexactly my point13:22
Cptnodegardah is ee what you mean13:22
VeggenCptnodegard: It has been "around" 8 for quite a while, I'd call that pretty stable.13:23
CptnodegardGBP was 9.76 last i checked o013:23
Cptnodegardrisen again today...9.9913:24
Cptnodegardusd too... 5.0013:24
GeneralAntillesMy maemo shirt is finally coming.13:25
GeneralAntillesBrowser team.13:25
GeneralAntillesFor bugzilla.13:25
jott"i reported 100 bugs and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" is indeed true!?13:26
hrwCptnodegard: PLN is also rising13:34
hrwCptnodegard: compared to EUR/USD/GBP13:34
hrwand NOK is losing to PLN since  October13:35
Cptnodegardyou should get USD's :D13:36
Cptnodegardand hope theyll eventually go up13:36
Cptnodegardthats compared to pln?13:38
Cptnodegardnot much you can do about it then, but that means you get even more on gbp/eur/usd than we do13:39
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Cptnodegardi want to get another 16GB card now that the usd is so low13:44
Cptnodegardthey cost 60 bucksin the us13:44
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saroweri want to program in opengl in maemo13:53
Veggenno, you don't.13:53
sarowerany body there to help?13:53
Cptnodegardi got one of those but i use it for my MP3 players13:53
sarower<Veggen: You are telling me..!13:54
Cptnodegardno bodies here. we burried them13:54
Veggensarower: There's no good opengl support in Xomap, right?13:54
sarowerthat i can not program in open gl in maemo?13:54
hrwsarower: you do not want opengl on nokia tablets13:54
hrwsarower: trust us13:54
hrwsarower: there is no HW acceleration available13:55
sarowerYah we trust you very much...13:55
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Cptnodegard[12:55] <sarower> Yah we trust you very much...  <- Maemo Famous Last Words?13:55
sarowerbut i think there is a way to program in open gl for maemo!13:55
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inzsarower, Sure there is, but software rendering is slow13:56
hrwsarower: ok - if you like animations counted in SPF instead of FPS...13:56
inzsarower, just compile software mesa for yourself and go knock yourself out13:56
sarowerinz: Slow is no matter..13:57
sarowerI have to just implement.. in c++/C13:58
inzsarower, what about unreasonably slow?13:58
sarowerI have to just learn the process.......13:58
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saroweri want to learn just..13:58
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inzsarower, with that attitude, i doubt you'll get any help13:59
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sarowerInz: hmm......... right you are....13:59
sarowerBut what can be done   Inz?14:00
hrwsarower: then write opengl app for your desktop14:00
hrwit will be working and you will not get frustrated14:00
sarowerWill it run in N800?14:00
hrw18 13:06 < sarower> i want to learn just..14:00
saroweror the device?14:00
hrwsarower: did not I said that nokia tablets *LACK* Hw acceleration of opengl?14:00
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: lol14:01
inzsarower, as I said, mesa has a fairly decent software opengl renderer, but it will be sslllllllloooooowwwwwwwwwww14:01
Veggensarower: you'll need to recompile it, etc. And you probably need to compile mesa (software openGL) yourself, because noone else sees the need :)14:01
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Ivanovicis anyone from the mplayer port around?14:02
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Ivanovici would like to know the configure options used to build the "official" binary of the port14:03
Veggenmm, wouldn't we all wish that people just had proper source repositories? :)14:03
Veggen(so one could download source package and find out, in a consistent way)14:04
sarowerinz: Actually do you know the detail processs of how i can use the "Mesa" in mameo??14:04
sarowereven if it is sssslllllllllllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww14:04
inzsarower, the samy way you would use GL libraries on desktop14:04
inzVeggen, mplayer source (or diff to 1.0rc1) is on extras14:05
sarowerhmmmmm......... Ok than you very much!14:05
inzPlease stop shouting14:05
sarowerThank you14:05
sarowerInz: Dont tell like this plz!14:06
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* jeddy3 is ashamed of living in sweden today14:30
qwerty12How come?14:30
Cptnodegardthey want to tax mmorpg14:30
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jeddy3Cptnodegard, no, not that :)14:30
Cptnodegardlol what else did they do?14:31
jeddy3i was thinking of the piratebay-court-mess14:31
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qwerty12Arr, pirates ftw14:31
kaatisarr yeah14:31
GeneralAntillesYarrr, off the plank with ye lubbers!14:31
* X-Fade looks at calendar.14:32
GeneralAntillesEvery day is ITLAPD14:32
X-FadeNo, it doesn't seem to be 'talk like a pirate' day..14:32
jeddy3hmmm, how can i put this...the police that led the investigation against the piratebay, is as of today, hired by warned brothers14:32
qwerty12eek that is an embarrassing :P14:32
qwerty12and so is my sentence >.<14:33
jeddy3and above it all, the prosecutor sees "no problem" about him continuing to be used in the trials, eventhough he is hired by one part14:33
cy3o3Man, canola is really starting to become my friend14:33
cy3o3sup guys14:33
cy3o3any word on maemo mapper working with the internal n810 gps?14:33
jeddy3wich is the really sick thing about it14:34
qwerty12cy3o3, I thought it already did, just taht the N810 gps was rubbish :P14:34
kaatisCptnodegard, maybe the nordic countries should join to create a social democratic mmorpg. loot from monsters is taxed at 50% and given to bureaucracy class and to those who didn't play. :P14:34
cy3o3qwerty12: Didn't think so, but haven't tried recently14:34
cy3o3internal GPS seems to work fine for me14:35
cy3o3just takes too long to sync up with satellites14:35
johnxit's worked since the beginning14:35
Cptnodegardyeah we spend money on a lot of crap14:35
Cptnodegardlike the new opera in oslo14:35
johnx(w/ the n810 gps)14:35
Cptnodegardit cost every inhabitant of norway 140 bucks each14:35
qwerty12Oh yeah, taxes are said to be high in Norway, right?14:36
GeneralAntillescy3o3, Maemo Mapper has always worked fine with the N810's GPS14:36
GeneralAntillesBluetooth, no MAC.14:36
pupnikOne improvement to maemo mapper would be easier/more robust setup14:36
Cptnodegardi earned 22000 USD from summer jobs last year... tax came out to 350014:36
X-FadeCptnodegard: We spent 6Bn euro on a railway that nobody uses ;)14:37
Cptnodegardbut normally its way more, 30%14:37
X-FadeCptnodegard: 375 euro pp.14:37
qwerty12Woah, is tax evasion high in Norway? :P14:37
Cptnodegardlol no14:38
Cptnodegardthey should use more money on public transportation here... taking the bus is more expensive than taking the car14:38
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qwerty12Hmm, in London, I've got one more year left of free travel on buses.14:39
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X-FadeCptnodegard: Current gas prices will set that off pretty quickly.14:39
pupnikCptnodegard: that's welfare14:41
Cptnodegardnop, even with the gas prices as high as they are, it doesnt coma close14:41
pupnikit's stealing from one person to give money to another14:42
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Cptnodegardtaking the bus form here to Lillehammer 17KM away costs / bucks14:42
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* jeddy3 is going by regional train to work, 85km for ~$11 one trip :S 14:45
pupnikclose to german prices14:46
Cptnodegardtrain to oslo, 200KM, is $6014:46
pupnikThat's good14:46
Cptnodegardshould be 1/3 that14:46
jeddy3Cptnodegard, ouch14:47
Cptnodegardi dont pay taxes fot the government to build freaking operas14:47
pupnikIn taxes, you don't have choice14:47
cy3o3I see14:47
cy3o3Guess I'll try it out then (maemo mapper w/internal GPS)14:47
pupnikLet the train riders pay for the train, the car drivers pay for the road, and the opera goers pay for the opera.14:47
johnxpupnik, sure you do: move. :)14:47
pupnikThat's called free enterprise.14:48
Cptnodegardif i got o lillehammer first and tak ethe bus from there, theres a pecial offer tooslo for 30 bucks. but that also takes 3,5 hours vs 2 with train/car14:48
Cptnodegardwell 2.5 with car14:48
pupnikjohnx: to antarctica?  When the ice melts sure.14:48
qwerty12But on the upside, you can eat penguins!14:49
johnxwell, you can choose wear to live based on who is doing what with tax money14:49
johnxwant to support opera, move to where Cptnodegard does :)14:49
Cptnodegardi need to move off earth14:50
qwerty12Meh, I hate Opera :P (browser and "entertainment") . Although visiting Norway would be nice.14:50
Cptnodegardwtf do you wantto come here for?14:50
qwerty12Hehe, just to visit, seems like a nice place :P14:51
Cptnodegardwow you really are delusional :D14:51
qwerty12Come to East London for stabbings, and gang life :P14:51
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qwerty12Of course :P14:51
termsigqwerty12: it's nothing bad..14:52
johnxheh...I used to live in Seattle. (WA, US) They built two (2!) stadiums in the city with gov't money rather than 1 train line...14:52
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CptnodegardWe spent like 100 million on some fighter planes to lick bush'ass... who the fuck is going to invade nroay in 2008?14:53
termsigjohnx: but train line it's not so important i think, most ppl have cars..14:53
lcukjohnx, but how can they play games on a train?14:53
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Cptnodegardleave it to the us to wage war on anythign that moves14:54
X-Fadejohnx: Classic Roman knowlegde. To keep your people happy, give them food an plays :)14:54
johnxX-Fade, the analogy came to mind...14:54
johnxtermsig, traffic is 3rd worst in the US (IIRC) and gas prices aren't getting any cheaper. Also, because the bus system is so awful you basically have no choice about owning a car...14:54
qwerty12Cptnodegard, Meh, Bush is a knobcheese, lol it may be the US ;) with all the oil :P14:55
* Cptnodegard moves to Petoria14:56
termsigjohnx: ok then move to Poland :P, every 2m whole in street and price of petrol it's more exp then in uk.14:56
Cptnodegardpolish truckers always create chaoes in norway14:57
Cptnodegardthey break down everywhere and try to run cargo in wore down summer tires during the winter14:57
johnxmeh...I'm just saying. You can't ride the stadium to work, but you can definitely play baseball (and american football!) on a moving train...14:57
derfI thought Seattle was 4th.14:58
derfBehind LA, SF, and DC.14:58
johnxI dunno what it is now14:58
johnxstill that's a pretty big accomplishment for such a (comparitively) small city...14:58
derfYeah, speaking as a native of DC, I have a hard time imagining your traffic is worse than ours.14:59
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johnxno trains, no subway and a useless bus system helps...14:59
derfAnd we _have_ a train system. It just isn't actually useful.14:59
GeneralAntillesTrains aren't, unfortunately, a magic bullet.15:00
johnxthey work pretty well some places15:00
* mgedmin sighs nostalgically, remembering trains in Denmark15:01
lcuksure they are - as long as you line up your target somewhere along the track15:01
derfI've been to countries with good train systems.15:01
johnxAll they need in Seattle is a train that follows I-5 (the major freeway) as closely as possible15:01
derfDenmark, the Netherlands, Japan, etc.15:01
lcukmanchester (england) metro trams work quite nicely, but they havent got the choice of location15:02
derfIt's really amazing how much easier it makes getting around.15:03
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barisionedo you know why "svn co" asks for a username and password?15:09
johnxmaybe try without the s in https?15:09
barisioneit doesn't work15:09
barisioneit redirects15:09
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johnxbut also, browser-ui is non-free15:09
barisionebrowser-eal is MPL15:10
X-Fadebarisione: Perhaps because the certificate expired today. They are replacing it atm I think..15:10
barisioneit complained about the cert, I just say accept even if it's expired15:11
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Ivanovicsomeone from the mplayer project around?15:15
Ivanovici would like to know which configure options are used for the official build15:15
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qwerty12Ivanovic, I'm not from mplayer but I have the options in a patch I've got. Which model are you compiling for?15:16
Ivanovicthis will be for an n81015:17
qwerty12Wait a sec.15:17
Ivanovicbut i would like to know what the official one is build with as in "which support is active, what is removed"15:17
Ivanoviceg using rtp streaming and stuff like this15:17
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Ivanovic(at university we will be trying to build some multimedia networks using the n810, that is video/autio streaming, stuff like this, would be neat if we could "just" extend what is there already and basically do some gui work to glue everything together)15:18
jottbarisione: isn't the project called "browser" not browser-ui?15:18
barisionejott: they are 2 different things15:19
barisionein can see it in the svn web interface15:19
Ivanovicqwerty12: so those are the options used for the official one, too?15:19
Ivanovicwhy is v4l left out, thought the camera was just a v4l device15:19
qwerty12Ivanovic, they are afaik.15:20
qwerty12The patch was taken from Serge's mplayer and updated for RC215:21
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jottbarisione: i.e. svn co
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qwerty12Ivanovic, most people dont need it. There are builds with it enabled though.15:21
Ivanovicqwerty12: do you know if there is a commandline option to paste out all the supported stuff?15:21
jottbarisione: i.e. svn co
Ivanoviclike supported protocols and codecs?15:21
jottwrong again ;)15:21
qwerty12Ivanovic, you mean the configure options?15:22
Ivanovicqwerty12: nah, that would be ./configure --help15:22
Ivanovici mean from the existing binary15:22
qwerty12No I'm not sure, sorry. When you try something though, it tells you its not supported.15:22
Ivanovicokay, thanks for you help15:23
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qwerty12pupnik, Can I ask here if you are around? I've got a folder with rtl8187 drivers which is useless unless I can send it to you? :P15:54
qwerty12^useless to me15:54
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qwerty12Anyone knows where the font of OMWeather is defined (source, gconf key, config file ) etc?16:01
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AStormqwerty12: gconf16:02
AStormbut it has its own prfs too16:02
qwerty12AStorm, I looked in gconf but all I could see was the colour :(16:02
AStormit sets that when you change it16:03
qwerty12Ah, I'll take another look16:03
AStormgo to the home menu and select Applet settings16:03
qwerty12All I can see in there is font colour :)16:04
AStormit seens to use system (fontconfig) sans16:05
AStormno option for you (no schema)16:05
qwerty12Yes, I saw that but when I search the source code for sans, it returns nothing. My theme is set to a different font so if it was geting it from there, it would have changed.16:05
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Jsn0327does anyone know if there is a text editor included with os2008 that can be run as root from the terminal?16:06
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infobotGeneralAntilles meant: ^16:08
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Jsn0327is there a better text editor for terminal that i can download than vi?16:10
GeneralAntillesWell, vim.16:10
GeneralAntillesnano is garbage. :P16:10
Jsn0327i have leafpad but it won't run from terminal16:10
GeneralAntillesIt's particularly broken on maemo16:10
Jsn0327what about gedit?16:10
qwerty12nano segfaults like crazy on my n80016:10
GeneralAntillessince search just segfaults.16:10
qwerty12Jsn0327, run leafpad with in front16:11
solmumahanano-tiny has worked fine16:11
GeneralAntillesWhat's wrong with vi, anyway, Jsn0327?16:11
qwerty12I actually prefer the vi that comes with maemo to the one on my ubuntu distro.16:11
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GeneralAntillesvim has extra features that get in the way if you don't set it up how you want it, qwerty12.16:11
Jsn0327when i ran vi with userContent.css it didnt have a way to enter a new line without going all the way to the 26th page of the file16:11
GeneralAntillesPress i16:12
GeneralAntillesLook at this as a good opportunity to learn vi.16:12
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Ah thanks. I'm gonna look into it but I guess gedit works for me in ubuntu.16:12
GeneralAntillesWhich is an important skill, as it's the only editor you can rely on being in every since *nix distribution on the planet.16:12
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's a time investment getting vim up to your own preferences.16:13
wndnot to mention vi (and especially vim) rocks :-)16:13
GeneralAntillesWorth the investment16:13
GeneralAntillesbut still.16:13
VeggenAnd contrary to what you might think, vi(m) *is* a very powerful editor.16:13
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GeneralAntillesAlso, figuring out what those preferences are. ;)16:13
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RST38hGeneral: Wrong16:13
Jsn0327GeneralAntilles:  do you know if they've made any headway in getting a mouse to work with the n810?  I know that you post on the forums alot16:14
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RST38hGeneral: If you want ot be really reliable you should rely on ED!16:14
qwerty12Come think of it an emacs port exists for os200716:14
Jsn0327vim takes up 20 megs!16:14
GeneralAntillesRST38h, :P16:14
RST38hEmacs is scary - how do you know that its LISP-based AI isn't editing some part of your document while you are not watching?16:15
GeneralAntillesJsn0327, I haven't paid any attention to mouse support.16:15
mgedminvim comes with lots of scripts, syntax files, help files16:15
RST38hWhy do you need 20MB for VIM?16:15
GeneralAntillesJsn0327, just use vi.16:15
qwerty12Jsn0327, why not run as root " leafpad userContent.css"16:15
liquid217i prefer joe, when I have a choice of editors16:15
* RST38h prefers pico but can live with nano16:15
Jsn0327i'm trying that now16:16
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qwerty12Although you can set up the root environment to not give you error messages like the leafpad one but it makes it go into gtk original style (ie not hildonised)16:16
Jsn0327qwerty12:  Thanks that worked16:16
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qwerty12Np, but I'm sure you don't have to be root to edit userContent.css come think of it.16:17
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Jsn0327well you have to be root to do soo much stuff in linux, I just do it anyway16:18
qwerty12Hehe, sometimes it's not a good idea. I've messed up a few permissions like that... :p16:19
Jsn0327i know then u just do chown16:19
qwerty12Hehe, too much work for me :P but yes, when that happens I have to do that :)16:20
Jsn0327I can't believe that linux programmers are soo paranoid that you are going to screw something up, that you have to type sudo in front of everything16:20
wndgenerally you only need to be root to change things that affect all users. you also may have to run "a user" application as root if the application is faulty, misconfigured, badly written, or simply doing something that it's not supposed to do.16:20
GeneralAntillesIt's a security measure, Jsn0327. :\16:20
Jsn0327i know it is.  But people use windows everyday and login as adminstrator with minimal problems16:21
GeneralAntillesPart of using a system designed for multiple users.16:21
GeneralAntillesAs opposed to Window's broken multi-user implementation.16:21
Veggen"minimal problems"?16:21
wndin most cases fiddling around as super user is simply ignorance or stupidity. no offence.16:21
GeneralAntillesJsn0327, more viruses, spyware, adware, trojans and worms than you can possibly imagine is "minimal"?16:21
wnderm, s/ignorance/ignorant/; s/stupidity/stupid/16:22
Jsn0327putting all that aside, i'm talking about the average user using his desktop16:22
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trickie_Jsn0327: well the average user shouldn't want to be able to accidently rm -rf /16:23
Veggenthe average people is exactly the people that *get* problems from running as administrator, they just don't know it.16:23
wndI can't think of anything that would require an ordinary user to do as root, except for updating the os16:23
trickie_or have some build script 'accidently' f-up their system libs16:23
Jsn0327the built script is going to f-up your system when you run it as root anyway.  either way you are going to run the script16:24
trickie_that doesn't make sense16:24
Jsn0327you have to be root to do everything in linux.  Install an app, remove an app, update an app, save a text file to a directory.  edit certain files16:24
trickie_thats not true16:25
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trickie_you need to be root to install some apps systemwide16:25
trickie_which makes sense16:25
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trickie_how else will you secure a multi-user installation?16:25
trickie_as for 'save a text file to a directory.  edit certain files'16:25
trickie_i think you missing the point16:25
trickie_what directory are you trying to save text files to?16:26
trickie_or what certain files are you talking about16:26
Jsn0327trickie_  what i'm saying is that if i want to run a script that was written by someone else.  i'm going to run it as root if it doesn't run from my user account.  either way i'm going to run it.  i'm the owner of the computer.  i shouldn't have to type sudo for everything.  Maybe it makes more sence since there are not multiple user accounts on linux, and it was meant for everyone to use one account, but if that's the case then they should make16:26
wndtrickie_, wrong directory and wrong files ;-)16:26
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trickie_Jsn0327: well you can just login as root, and hope the best16:27
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Jsn0327it's not wrong directory and wrong files.  When i first installed ubuntu, everything was owned by root.  I had to change all of the permissions to my user account to be able to save anything16:27
trickie_and then oneday you will see why user privileges are sperated as they are16:27
Jsn0327yeah then every kid out there can hack into the root account of my machine16:28
trickie_Jsn0327: well you were trying to save it in the wrong directory16:28
trickie_Jsn0327: exactly16:28
trickie_you cannot have your cake and eat it too16:28
Jsn0327is there a way to make multiple user accounts in linux?16:28
Jsn0327then i can have my cake and eat it to16:28
VeggenJsn0327: uh? Of course there is.16:29
RST38hJsn0327: You will not believe it but THERE IS!16:29
trickie_Jsn0327: i reckon you should go read some more on how a unix/linux system works16:29
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trickie_might make more sense16:29
RST38hIsn't it amazing?16:29
trickie_and less frustrating16:29
wndand I thought #debian was a funny place to be :-D16:29
qwerty12if you apt-get install adduser, you can even do it on OS2008. Grab Fanoush's framebuffer mod and run getty and you can log in with it too.16:30
Jsn0327yeah right.  my n810 slows down enough with one user.  I wouldn't even think about adding another one16:30
Jsn0327i need it for my ubuntu desktop16:31
inzJsn, the other users only slow down the system if they're doing something16:31
qwerty12Have you been in System,Administration yet>16:31
qwerty12Nice little applet called Users & Groups ;) :p16:31
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Jsn0327yeah but from what i've heard, linux was designed for multiple users with one desktop.  Thats why i haven't looked into multiple accounts/desktops16:32
GeneralAntillesJsn0327, seriously, go read up on *nix. You're revealing an awful lot of ignorance here. :)16:32
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qwerty12Man, I wish my router didn't suck balls.16:33
Jsn0327GeneralAntilles:  Honestly I don't care how much ignorance i'm revealing. It's called being new to linux16:33
trickie_Jsn0327: or at least ask specific questions16:33
Jsn0327Everyone starts somewhere16:33
trickie_Jsn0327: and don't rely on heresay16:33
trickie_cause its wrong16:33
RST38hJsn0327: Actually, it is called having misconceptions about Linux16:33
Jsn0327I appreciate your help everyone.16:33
GeneralAntillesThere's a difference between being new and spewing incorrect things like you know what you're talking about. ;)16:34
RST38hLet me quickly lookup if there is some online document you can read.16:34
trickie_Jsn0327: i recommend reading some more about how a linux works, accounts, filesystem etc and you will be less frustrated16:34
Jsn0327I have to go help out at my daughters school.  Talk to you guys later.16:34
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RST38hRan away16:35
* mgedmin sees Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! in scratchbox16:35
* mgedmin scratches head16:35
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GeneralAntillesIt wants a cookie, mgedmin.16:36
GeneralAntillesFeed it.16:36
liquid217echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled16:36
VeggenWell. It's not that it's bad to be a beginner. But many beginners that come from Windows doesn't want Linux, they want "a better Windows", and thinks Linux is that because someone has told them Linux is better.16:36
inzVeggen, he's gone already16:36
Veggenmmm, saw.16:36
MangoFusionwould now be a bad time to indicate that i use a mac? ;)16:38
* MangoFusion runs16:38
GeneralAntillesJoin the club. :P16:38
MangoFusionmactel or macppc?16:39
GeneralAntillesPPC, duh.16:39
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MangoFusioncurrently just got me macbook and mac mini (ppc)16:40
MangoFusionpity there's no decent sync for my n80016:40
MangoFusionthough then again, i probably wouldn't sync anything anyway16:40
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GeneralAntilleslol, qwerty12, how do you deal with that font and color in FBReader? <_<16:46
RST38hWhat are those font and color?16:47
qwerty12Hehe, I can read it fine :). I read in the dark with my light off so it works for me :)16:47
* GeneralAntilles shudders.16:47
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GeneralAntillesSwissA 16pt 1.3 white-on-black is the way for me.16:48
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qwerty12I've always found red to be good, but I've probably killed off my "night vision" years ago when I started reading books of a tiny K750 screen16:49
NaviI like white on gray16:49
RST38hgreen-on-red? =)16:49
GeneralAntillesWho the hell put in that security section?16:49
GeneralAntillesAnybody want to take a bet?16:49
GeneralAntillesWhat a joke.16:49
RST38hblack on wheat-yellow is nice16:50
NaviGeneralAntilles, I'm pretty sure I know who did it16:50
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, you should post that desktop in screenshots thread, most modded out of all of them :P16:50
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GeneralAntillesI look away for a few days and they rape that article.16:51
NaviWhat a moron16:51
GeneralAntillesTalk about having an ax to grind.16:51
Naviipconfig > most of the other crap on Linux16:51
Navinot ipconfig >_>16:51
* Navi sighs16:51
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RST38hGeneral: You should just add to that section that Maemo also does not include support for electrocuting unauthorized users and thus totally lacks physical security16:52
Naviiptables > the other crap on Linux16:53
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* GeneralAntilles goes to cleanup the article again.16:53
qwerty12Hmm, will penguinbait's kde run off a 1gb card? I know it says minimum is 2gb but I'm a tramp and only have 1gb16:53
GeneralAntillesWhy do my requests for assistance there only pull in the crazy people. :<16:53
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NaviGeneralAntilles, should I just build an iptables frontend and the useless clamav to satisfy those people?16:53
RST38hAnd, for cost reasons, Nokia does not supply german shepherds with its tablets, making it impossible to secure devices16:53
GeneralAntillesSomebody keeps insisting on coming in to fuck up the intro. <_<16:54
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Navi"The security deficiencies of ITOS may explain why it has not been installed in a smartphone but only in PDA style devices with no direct ability to use the telephone network, as infected telephones could be used to stage a denial of service attack by repeatedly ringing a selected number, with the potential for loss of life if emergency service were targeted."16:55
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, What's wrong with it? I'm not saying I endorse the new intro but I can't see what the mistake/bad thing is?16:55
GeneralAntillesMajor redundancy16:55
GeneralAntillesStupid " - "'-16:55
RST38hqwerty: it is meaningless16:56
GeneralAntillesPlus, it was fine like it was.16:56
qwerty12Ah, thanks.16:56
NaviIt's common Linux misconceptions spewed from a Windows moron.16:56
qwerty12Eek, I can see the shit on that page16:56
GeneralAntillesThe Future section is more bullshit.16:56
RST38hIs there a way to make some script keep the page in order automatically?16:57
RST38hSimply check it every few days on cron and bring it back to the original state?16:57
GeneralAntillesWho the hell put those "footnotes" in?16:58
johnxyou could ask someone at wikipedia to lock it I guess...16:58
GeneralAntillesThey completely screwed up the numbering.16:58
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GeneralAntillesNah, johnx, I'll just have to pay better attention.16:58
NaviOh god16:58
NaviHe links to the register in that article, and takes them seriously16:58
Cptnodegardgreat i got an idea for somethign i need, and it doesnt really exist16:59
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NaviSomeone should build the bloatware security apps for the losers in the security threads on ITT17:00
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jotthaha i really wonder why someone put such effort in writing such a crap on wikipedia that will obviously get deleted17:00
GeneralAntillesBecause they're stupid17:01
GeneralAntillesRead meanwhile's posts on ITT, jott.17:01
GeneralAntillesYou'll soon realize why.17:01
X-FadeDamn, he's putting in a lot of hours too..17:01
NaviX-Fade, yeah17:01
X-FadeIf I look at that history list ;)17:01
trickie_ha, thats funny17:02
* GeneralAntilles is confused by the buzz-word comment.17:03
GeneralAntillesSee talk.17:03
NaviGet straight to the point and provide sources to back up the content17:04
* johnx shakes his head. "Never mud-wrestle with a pig, you'll both get muddy and the pig likes it."17:04
* qwerty12 is confused too. 17:04
NaviOf course, that's extremely ironic :D17:04
GeneralAntillesNavi, which is exactly what I was doing. :P17:04
NaviHe complained about iptables17:05
Navisomeone should kill him17:05
GeneralAntillesNice, citing a forum thread. :\17:08
* Navi should stop grabbing outdated control files from debian packages17:08
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure what all that bullshit about Trolltech is about17:08
johnxdoes that mean I can say "meanwhile is wrong" then cite the irclog?17:08
qwerty12solmumaha, just felt like saying thanks. your shadow warrior port kept me alive in the doctor's surgery waiting room.17:08
qwerty12hehe Reggie installed that thanks mod17:10
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Navijohnx, of course!17:10
GeneralAntillesUmptious seems to think all technical terms are "buzzwords"17:10
qwerty12Shows how much of a knob he is.17:10
NaviYeah, buzz words like: GeneralAntilles, qwerty12, Linux, Hildon, Matchbox, Debian, etc.17:11
NaviGeneralAntilles, you really should remove them.17:11
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GeneralAntillesThink it's mostly clear of bullshit.17:12
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GeneralAntillesJesus christ17:13
GeneralAntillesDid he go in and screw with the Mobil Operating Systems table, too?17:13
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NaviYeah, he did.17:14
mgedmindear lazyirc, where's the maemo porting bora -> chinook document?17:14
NaviI think it was just a small header change and a recompile17:15
mgedminno, wait, that's not it17:15
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GeneralAntillesAlright, who wants to volunteer to flesh out the SDK section a bit? :D17:19
GeneralAntillesMy knowledge there is just a touch lacking.17:19
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qwerty12Does anyone know the right -march= line for Chinook Armel SB target?17:22
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mgedminis there really no guide of porting bora apps to chinook?17:33
mgedmindo I have to manually diff the maemo-3.0 and maemo-4.0 porting guides?17:33
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mgedminmaemo 3.0 guide had a section on "Porting to maemo 3.x from maemo 2.x."17:35
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mgedminwhere's the "Porting to maemo 4.x from maemo 3.x"???17:35
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MangoFusionthe dog ate it17:37
GeneralAntillesDamn that dog!17:37
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, I swear I've seen it17:37
GeneralAntillesDunno where, though.17:37
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Cptnodegardis there anythign like a scanner pen that mounts like a keyboard and lets you suse it as a highlight marker? i.e you would use it for studying by "highlighting", and the text would pop up as you go on a text editor?17:48
johnxwell, there are scanner pens, but they hand bitmaps to the computer17:48
johnxit would be up to you to get the computer to do the OCR as it comes in17:48
Cptnodegardyeah thats what i found17:49
Cptnodegardthats really too bad17:49
johnxdoing OCR on the scanner would be silly though17:49
Cptnodegardwould pwn to highlight school texts and get notes as you go17:49
Cptnodegardnot enough power?17:50
Cptnodegardtoo bad...17:50
GeneralAntillesAnybody make a hardware OCR?17:50
johnxI honestly don't know17:50
johnxif they ever did, I don't see why they'd bother these days17:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, I'd doubt it.17:51
GeneralAntillesMildly humorous, though. :D17:51
Cptnodegardi want one of those DocuPens17:51
johnxwell, there's nothing to stop you from hacking together something that OCRed as the scanner pen threw data at the computer17:51
Cptnodegardyeah there is17:51
Cptnodegardor lack there of :p17:51
johnxand then attach it to a gtk-input method :)17:51
johnxyou only need time -or- skills :)17:52
johnxone can replace the other17:52
Cptnodegardyeah but im already 20, i'd be dead before i was half finished17:52
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GeneralAntillesPatience and willpower should be thrown in there, too. ;)17:52
Cptnodegardtechnically if the scanner pen spit out small strips of bitmaps you can still make a list of them17:53
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johnxI'm sure you can write a gtk input method in python17:53
Cptnodegardim surprised its not more used since highlighting shit is done by millions of students17:53
johnxthat saves a lot of pain right there17:53
* GeneralAntilles only highlights when he has to for an assignment.17:54
Cptnodegardexams :p17:54
johnxCptnodegard, I do like the idea, actually. :D17:54
Cptnodegardthis shit is so boring and dry that they ship this book to flooded areas to absorb water17:54
GeneralAntillesI'm tired of school17:55
GeneralAntillesI want to do stuff.17:55
johnxso workflow: press button on scanner pen, capture script is launched, press button again, script hands bitmap to gocr, gocr hands it to gtk- input method, input in word processor17:55
Cptnodegardjohnx yeah the idea seems smart to me, so imsurprised it doesnt exist17:55
GeneralAntillesPress sensitive script to activate the scanner.17:55
johnxI think those scanner pens don't work that well17:55
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Press sensitive tip to activate the scanner.17:55
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Cptnodegardbut yeah that would be the way to do it17:56
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pancakecan anybody give me the lines in their scratchbox's sources.list?18:10
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liquid217wow, just had another tremor here in kentucky18:18
||cwhere in stl too18:19
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phunguyoh god18:26
phunguyi'm really bored18:26
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phunguyi'm at a tech conference in toronto18:26
Khertan_on_n810someone have try python-evolution ?18:27
Khertan_on_n810it s unfinished on maemo ?18:27
Khertan_on_n810or __doc__ is missing18:27
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lmouraKhertan_on_n810, doc is missing18:27
lmourabut it's a 1-on-1 to desktop version18:27
Khertan_on_n810so i can read evolution tasks db . thx for the infos18:28
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Khertan_on_n810(i m trying to make a applet for Tasks (the one from pimlico project))18:28
Khertan_on_n810lmoura > do u have see my small applet ?18:29
lmouraKhertan_on_n810, no, I'm stil really busy with college =\18:29
Khertan_on_n810ah :)18:29
Khertan_on_n810take a look on
Khertan_on_n810there is screenshots18:30
phunguywhat u takin?18:30
phunguyin college18:30
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lardmanafternoon all18:39
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, Did you fix that shit from meanwhile at 14:11?18:41
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GeneralAntillesAsshole reverted it.18:42
qwerty12Yep. the guy don't know shit18:42
GeneralAntillesI really don't feel like fighting this battle.18:43
GeneralAntillesHe's completely and totally full of shit.18:43
GeneralAntillesand he's pulling vandalism bullshit on me.18:44
GeneralAntillesYet another reason to hate wikipedia.18:44
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lardmanSorry to go OT, but if I pull from svn, then make changes and do a build in the directory to which I pulled (thereby creating files that don't want to be commited), will a simple "svn commit" just add back the changed versions of the files I pulled?18:46
MangoFusionthere are power hungry asses on every site18:46
qwerty12The guy's a stupid fuck. Look at his source for "... due to the role of daemon processes as forwarders of such messages. (Malware could use a firewall approved daemon to send data out, by-passing the need to get permission itself.)" (which is bs) :
MangoFusionpersonally i'd use a different username18:46
GeneralAntillesI simply don't have the energy to try and fight this battle with a power hungry lunatic.18:47
lardmanThanked 12 Times in 6 Posts ??18:47
lardmancan one find thanked posts on ITT?18:48
qwerty12Yeah, click their profile.18:48
GeneralAntillesThis is ridiculous18:48
GeneralAntillesI go to try and put together a decent wikipedia entry for a platform18:48
GeneralAntillesand get accuse of vandalism and bribe taking.18:48
lardmank, thanks18:49
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MangoFusionfight misinformation with misinformation, thats what i say18:49
GeneralAntillesHe expects me to fight his bullshit.18:49
MangoFusionthe internet is just a big mmorpg18:50
qwerty12I think Navi was right with killing him, anyone know a hitman?18:50
GeneralAntillesI'm just gonna revert it18:51
GeneralAntillesIf he wants to have me banned18:51
GeneralAntillesthen fuck wikipedia18:51
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qwerty12fuck it if you get banned, tell me what to write and I'll put it in18:51
qwerty12I should be changing isp's soon sometime18:52
MangoFusioni think if its just you against him, you'll inevitably make yourself out to be an even bigger ass than he is18:52
MangoFusionsince he must have been in the right the first time, right?18:52
MangoFusionor maybe thats just what comes with being a moderator18:53
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GeneralAntillesIdiocy on the internet is threatening to drive me over the edge.18:54
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||cwarguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics.  even if you win, you are still retarded.18:55
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qwerty12Hehe that pic makes me laugh#18:55
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Khertan_on_n810ouch python-evolution documentation is difficult to found19:04
qwerty12z00t,z00t, I got the pcmanfm file manager to run on Internet Tablet but anyone know what the gtk+ icon theme is for OS2008?19:05
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lmouraKhertan, do you want task support?19:05
lmouraKhertan_on_n810, ^19:05
Khertan_on_n810yes :)19:06
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lmouraAFAIR, the maemo package only ships ebook modules, not ecal19:06
lmouradoes 'import evolution.ecal' work?19:06
Khertan_on_n810ah i ven,t understood that it s why i have asked about __doc__ :)19:06
GeneralAntillesThere's the warning.19:07
GeneralAntillesScrew wikipedia19:07
Khertan_on_n810arg ... :( NoneType19:07
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Khertan_on_n810so i ll wait19:08
Khertan_on_n810no home applets yet for pimlico projects19:08
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Khertan_on_n810lmoura > do u know about how to do prefs with hildondesktop binding for home applet ?19:09
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lmouraKhertan_on_n810, no19:12
Khertan_on_n810ok :)19:12
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Khertan_on_n810ouch 60s freeze of all the system ... canola powa19:17
* Cptnodegard wishes the n800 had an IR port19:18
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GeneralAntillesThey do, Cptnodegard. :D19:19
qwerty12hehe irtrans? :P19:19
GeneralAntilles3.5mm ;)19:19
Cptnodegardaudio jack?19:19
GeneralAntillesHeck yeah19:19
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qwerty12nah i carry my 9mm and my 18in, better than 3.5 :p19:19
Cptnodegardlink? cant find anythin on google19:20
Cptnodegardor do you HAVE to diy?19:20
GeneralAntillesSomething like that19:21
GeneralAntillesBut without the wiring.19:21
GeneralAntillesGriffin used to make something19:21
Cptnodegarddoes that work with that tv remote thingy?19:21
Cptnodegardi want to control my robosapien with the n800 >:D19:22
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Khertan_on_n810cptnodegard > for u r robosapien u can do a simple bluetooth module too for it19:23
Cptnodegardit has bt?19:23
Khertan_on_n810it s easy to do, at least for v119:23
Cptnodegardi got a v2...i think19:23
* Cptnodegard asks him19:23
Khertan_on_n810no but bt chip is available at low cost now19:24
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Khertan_on_n810does it can talk > if it can it s a v219:24
Cptnodegardit talks19:24
Cptnodegardand farts19:25
Cptnodegardand burps19:25
Cptnodegardand all kinds of rude gestures19:25
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Cptnodegardits a v2. googled a pic19:25
Cptnodegardv1 looks gay19:25
Cptnodegardlike quasimodo19:25
Khertan_on_n810v2 look gay !19:25
Cptnodegardi saw a video on youtube of some people who made a robot dog with an n80019:26
Khertan_on_n810:) v1 is more easily customable19:26
Cptnodegardsounds like you have one? ;)19:26
Khertan_on_n810a friend have add a cam and a small 'ia'19:27
Khertan_on_n810cptnodegard > yes i ve one19:27
GeneralAntillesCptnodegard is gonna take over the world.19:27
* GeneralAntilles cowers.19:27
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Cptnodegardi got my v2 on a sale... down from 400 to 100 bucks19:28
Khertan_on_n810a bit hacked19:28
Cptnodegarddunno how much they ever cost in the us¨19:28
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Cptnodegardi used to use mine to hold my camera before i got a tripod19:28
Khertan_on_n810mine have custom motors and a custom 'brain'19:29
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Khertan_on_n810an armel with a bt chip19:29
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Khertan_on_n810the purpose was to grip things on the floor to place them at their right place19:30
Khertan_on_n810but i need to finish detection algo19:31
Khertan_on_n810and make it localize it s place by itself19:32
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Khertan_on_n810but it s an hard thing to do19:32
Cptnodegardhave you ever controlled it with your 810?19:32
Khertan_on_n810not yet19:33
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Cptnodegardlol, my mp3 sunglasses still have battery after being in the car for the entire winter19:34
Khertan_on_n810i use my home computer to load new firmware on the armel chip by bt19:34
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Cptnodegardwhat does the new fw do?19:34
Cptnodegardwhats funny? o.o19:35
GeneralAntillesmp3 sunglasses. :P19:35
Cptnodegardwhat about it? they work19:35
GeneralAntillesThey're ridiculous. :P19:35
Cptnodegardno they pwn ^_^19:35
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GeneralAntillesThe sound quality must be terrible, though. :P19:36
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Cptnodegardyeah ill give you that... then again its not worse than that i can use them19:37
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Cptnodegardthough i prefer my d219:37
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gribouilleks the screen of the N810 better than the one of the N800 ?19:38
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GeneralAntillesgribouille, only in that it's transflective19:39
GeneralAntillesIt is otherwise identical.19:39
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, what does that mean ?19:39
GeneralAntilles(well, the connector is different and the size is a little different, but there's no other performance differences)19:39
tbfhmm... where do i find rx-34 kernel images for oprofile?19:39
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Cptnodegardrtansflective? is that the same as those gay dell laptops use? :p19:40
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GeneralAntillesIt uses ambient light to augment the backlight19:40
Cptnodegarda friend of mine got the exact same laptop as me but with "TrueLife" screen, its freaking useless19:40
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GeneralAntillesEffectively resulting in at least a little sunlight readability.19:40
GeneralAntillesCptnodegard, you mean the glossy screen?19:40
Cptnodegardnot the same then19:40
CptnodegardGeneralAntilles, prob... they call it truelife. makes it work liek a mirror and impossible to read if its not 100% dark19:41
||cwhad to replace the lcd in my hp, got the glossy kind instead, love it19:41
GeneralAntillesMeh, it's nowhere near that bad19:41
GeneralAntillesIt really depends on the environment you use it in.19:42
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, when my N800 isn't oriented correctly, the screen is like a mirror, and I can't see anything. is it normal ?19:42
||cwdark, light, whatever, just have to slightly angle the screen for reflections19:42
Khertan_on_n810same thing on macbook glossy screen19:42
||cwit's much brighter overall19:42
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I find the colors on a glossy screen to be much better.19:42
GeneralAntillesgribouille, yes19:42
||cwgribouille: yes19:42
||cw770 does that too19:42
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GeneralAntillesI recommend buying yourself a Boxwave anti-glare screen protector19:42
gribouilleGeneralAntilles, is it the same with the N810 ?19:42
GeneralAntillesIt'll really improve readability in a lot of lighting conditions.19:42
GeneralAntillesPlus, it protects the screen.19:42
GeneralAntillesYes, gribouille.19:42
gribouilleok, thanks19:43
GeneralAntillesThe touch layer is mildly glossy, so it tends to reflect light.19:43
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CptnodegardGeneralAntilles, for use in a well lit classroom its useless unless you run the backlight at max19:44
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GeneralAntillesI have my N800 for that situation. :D19:44
GeneralAntillesBesides, laptops suck anyway.19:44
Cptnodegardsame here, my friend with the glossy screen dont have one :p19:44
Cptnodegardthere really is only one thing i use that the n800 cant do - photoshop19:45
GeneralAntillesTrackpads suck for photoshop anyway.19:47
Khertan_on_n810so ... bye19:47
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GeneralAntillesBye, Khertan! :)19:47
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gribouilleGeneralAntilles, are anti-glare screen protectors available in retail shops or do I have to buy it online ?19:49
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GeneralAntillesThey may be, gribouille.19:49
GeneralAntillesBut I highly doubt it19:49
GeneralAntillesBest to buy online.19:49
Cptnodegardi use a mouse not a trackpad :p19:49
GeneralAntillesBoxwave has them direct for $1219:49
GeneralAntillesShop around a bit, though, as I've seen them around for about $919:50
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* GeneralAntilles recently went back to a trackball.19:50
Cptnodegardgot a mx518 for my desktop and a MS wireless mouse 3000 for my lappy <319:51
GeneralAntillesUsed to play with an MX51019:51
GeneralAntillesNice mouse19:51
GeneralAntillesLeft-click gave out on me, though.19:51
GeneralAntillesRefurbished it and it worked for about another month.19:51
GeneralAntillesNow it's dead dead19:51
GeneralAntillesMoved up to an MX Revolution.19:51
Cptnodegardthe mx518 pwns19:51
GeneralAntillesWhich is also now mostly dead.19:51
Cptnodegardlol mouserape19:51
GeneralAntillesI dunno19:52
GeneralAntillesMice don't like my company. :(19:52
GeneralAntillesI like having lots of buttons.19:52
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Cptnodegardthat sounded a bit perverted19:52
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GeneralAntillesI'm gonna replace the MX Revolution once I get some cash to throw around.19:52
GeneralAntilles~17 buttons with 1 shift key.19:52
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GeneralAntillesControl everything from the mouse. :D19:52
GeneralAntillesPlus that awesome scroll wheel.19:52
Cptnodegardit wil go evil and take over your house19:53
GeneralAntillesThe Revolution's scroll wheel is something to behold19:53
GeneralAntillesIt's like kinetic scrolling for your desktop.19:53
GeneralAntillesYou familiar with how it operates?19:53
Cptnodegardkinetic scolling or the mouse?19:53
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GeneralAntillesThe scroll wheel.19:54
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Cptnodegardnah havent tested one19:54
GeneralAntillesIt's got two modes, ratcheted (like every other mouse on the planet) and freespin.19:54
GeneralAntillesYou set it to disengage the clutch at a certain threshold19:54
gribouilledo you use a special case to protect you tablet or not ?19:54
GeneralAntillesso when you want to scroll quickly, it switches to freespin.19:54
GeneralAntillesand switches back when it stops moving19:55
Cptnodegardgribouille: of course :D bought one on ebay19:55
GeneralAntilles100% intuitive and awesome. :D19:55
GeneralAntillesgribouille, I just keep the bundled sleeve in my pocket and use it like a little sub-pocket.19:55
GeneralAntillesHave a case logic USB hard drive case for N800 + iGo when traveling.19:55
gribouilleCptnodegard, is it good ?19:55
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Cptnodegardgribouille: very. fits perfectly19:56
gribouilleCptnodegard, what is the name of the model ?19:56
Cptnodegardmodel IT? n80019:57
gribouilleCptnodegard, I mean, the model of the case19:57
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gribouilleCptnodegard, you can't use the tablet without opening the case, contrary to this one :
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Cptnodegarddefine "use"20:01
Cptnodegardthe kicckstand, no20:01
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GeneralAntillesThat's where all the cases fall apart for me.20:01
GeneralAntillesThe kickstand is the most important feature. ;) :D20:01
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Cptnodegardwhe at school i just take it out and put it on the igo stand20:01
Cptnodegardi very seldom use the kickstand20:02
* Mousey uses the kickstand an embarassing amount20:02
GeneralAntillesI ALWAYS use the kickstand20:02
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GeneralAntillesWhether on not it's sitting on anything.20:02
Cptnodegardif i have it out, the igo is out, so i use that stand20:02
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GeneralAntillesIt's a great handle.20:02
gribouilleCptnodegard, the case I need is to prevent damages to the tablet if it falls on the floor while I'm using it20:03
harryslammAm struggling to get exec privs enabled on /media/mmc1 or 2. Is it possible?20:04
Cptnodegardget a silicon skin and cut hole for the kickstand20:04
GeneralAntillesharryslamm, FAT doesn't support permissions.20:04
harryslammCan i reformat to ext or something?20:04
gribouilleCptnodegard, when your case is closed, you can't use the tablet, can you ?20:05
Cptnodegardwhy not?20:07
Cptnodegardwhen its closed, no, but when the lid is flipped open i can20:07
qwerty12Bye, and GeneralAntilles, best of luck with the wiki stuff.20:07
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gribouilleCptnodegard, ok, thanks20:09
lcukits a condom for your nokia20:10
Cptnodegardwearing it will make BT pairing less cheerful and sending files will fail :D20:11
lcuki gather it would stop sexually transimtted diseases, but airborne viruses will still get through20:12
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Cptnodegardyou know youre a geek when you strap on a hardware firewall and have sex thinking she cant get pregnant20:13
lcukyou know you're just crazy if you buy a phallic shaped hardware firewall.20:14
Cptnodegardi want to mod something into those dealextreme stress relief boobs20:15
gribouilledo you use skype with your tablet ?20:16
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Cptnodegardgribouille: i dont20:16
gribouilleCptnodegard, why not ?20:16
Cptnodegardi normally call cell phones, and in that area skype isnt cheap20:16
Cptnodegard0,24 usd a minute is actually about the same as using my cell20:16
Cptnodegardand i dont use it for normal chat20:17
Cptnodegarduse irc/gtalk/msn20:17
GeneralAntillesGizmo > Skype20:17
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gribouilleGeneralAntilles, why ?20:18
GeneralAntillesOpen protocols20:18
GeneralAntillesSo you can use their service with just about any client20:18
GeneralAntillesparticularly the built-in sip client (rtcomm)20:18
GeneralAntillesSo you don't have to have a big, fugly 3rd party application open and hogging RAM all the time. ;)20:19
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Cptnodegardi find it peculiar that americans call it "fighting for freedom" when theyre actually the attacking nation20:22
Cptnodegard[/random politics]20:23
gribouilledoes wifi support handover ?20:23
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mgedminCptnodegard: they're fighting for their freedom to fight anyone they want to fight?20:29
Cptnodegardvery well put20:30
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lcukany idea how i find out my wep key?  ive got it locked in both places and am adding a new machine but forgot what it was20:43
GeneralAntillesCrack it?20:43
lcukif its easily done, sure20:44
MangoFusionremember it20:44
GeneralAntillesYou should be using WPA2, anyway.20:44
GeneralAntillesAn injector will crack it in under 2 minutes. :P20:44
GeneralAntillesKismet on your desktop20:44
lcuki tried i think but 810 wouldnt connect20:44
lcukill just change all the keys and see what i can get working20:44
* lcuk didnt wanna rock the boat20:45
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flavioribeirohi all, im trying to use hildon.App() but the device tell me that doesnt exist.  somebody can help me?20:52
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pupnikhey qw20:53
gribouillehow can I access to my tablet from my linux box with usb ?20:53
pupnikread learn20:53
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Cptnodegardlol the zoom extension for my canon a650is fits my old konica minolta cam20:58
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dougtis sbox2 now the official supported maemo build env?21:25
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mgedmindougt: no21:32
mgedminat least I haven't heard anything like that21:32
* dougt points at the channel title.21:33
GeneralAntillesThat's not official.21:33
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RST38hAFAIK SB2 does not allow debugging a program remotely with GDB21:46
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jga23anybody know if there is a program to boost the sound past 100%?21:54
towoIs it a known problem that the N810 just fails to connect to certain wireless networks, not being able to get an answer to a DHCP request? I checked on the routers, they sent out the reply, but it never arrived at the N810. Someone suggested that the kernel might drop dhcp packets not going to the global broadcast domain?21:54
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liquid217_jga23, if you are using mplayer, you can add an option to its config file to give it a little more gain.  softvol, and softvol-max i believe21:57
RST38hsoftware mixer gain != sound boot =(21:57
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liquid217_it can help if the video file isn't properly normalized21:58
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RST38h...toothy carnivore that can reach seven feet in length and has found a happy home along the canals of Cape Coral...22:00
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RST38hI hope it has a taste for the long pig...22:00
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GeneralAntillesWhat about 'em?22:00
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RST38hNo, "nile monitor lizard"22:00
jga23liquid217_: is there any way to set it by default?22:00
jga23I want to be able to boost canola22:00
RST38hGeneral: brought as pets to US, then left running wild as owners get tired of them22:01
GeneralAntillesAh, right.22:01
liquid217_seems there was an ITT thread on it22:01
RST38hfirst burmese pythons, now these22:01
RST38h'Of the pythons, he said: "To me, it's a wonderful introduction. I think it's the best thing to happen to the Everglades in the last 200 years."'  <--- fuck, yes!!!22:02
* RST38h still can't forget that picture of a python bursting in half while trying to swallow an alligator22:02
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jga23liquid217_: perfect: thanks22:03
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lcuksnake alligator ^22:07
RST38hyeah, that one22:07
lcukresult 1 for "snake alligator" ;)22:07
|Nazgul|a good how-to about ipv6 on maemo????22:08
|Nazgul|sorry I'm italian22:08
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lcukthere was a guy in the news today caught with a 6foot croc on the parcel shelf of his car (driving down the highway)22:09
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rkeeneDoes anyone know if the Nokia 770, N800, and N810 all share a common power connector and common power requirements ?22:13
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||cwrkeene: I think they do, same as the N-series phones22:15
GeneralAntillesYes, they're all the same22:15
GeneralAntilles770 and N800 have the same battery.22:15
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rkeeneGeneralAntilles, I'm not talking about the battery, talking about the DC connector to charge the battery.22:17
AStormbtw, what's the max current required by N810?22:18
GeneralAntilles[3:15pm] <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all the same22:18
AStormrkeene: yes, 5V22:18
AStormcurrent might be diff22:18
AStormbut they're all driven by AC-4e22:18
rkeeneGeneralAntilles, Right, but then you qualified it with information that led me to believe that you misunderstood the question (since the information was irrelevant)22:18
AStormwhich is rated at 890 mA22:19
rkeeneAStorm, So the physical connector is the same for all three ?  Excellent.22:19
AStormthe q is: what's the true max current rating of the device?22:19
AStormrkeene: aure22:19
AStormbut e.g. I have a charger rated at 650 mA22:19
AStormand it has problems22:20
GeneralAntillesI have a charger rated at 380mA22:20
GeneralAntillesWorks fine.22:20
AStormwhen fully loading and charging battery?22:21
GeneralAntillesI'm sure it doesn't charge when it's under load22:22
GeneralAntillesbut it doesn't have any "problems"22:22
||cwwhat's USB power rated at?22:22
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||cw770's charger is rated at 890, but charges and runs fine off USB22:24
GeneralAntillesThey all use the same charger22:24
GeneralAntillesThe power usage on all three should be very similar.22:24
||cwso just because the charger is rated at something high, doens't mean the device will ever draw that much22:24
AStormok, so it's at most 300 mA22:24
GeneralAntilles||cw, I'll guarantee you it's not actually charging when it's under load at 500mA22:25
GeneralAntillesIt'll supplement the AC power with battery power when it's under load.22:25
||cwhow often is it really under that much load22:25
AStormthat's why I want the full rating22:26
GeneralAntilles890mA will definitely charge faster than 500mA, too.22:26
AStorm||cw: possibly as long as you want it too22:26
AStormGeneralAntilles: really?22:26
GeneralAntillesWhen you load a website.22:26
||cwfor all of 30 seconds, then 5 minutes to read it?22:26
GeneralAntillesInterestingly enough, yes, AStorm.22:26
AStorm||cw: or when compiling22:26
GeneralAntillesOr playing Doom22:27
AStormGeneralAntilles: so, 500 mA is not enough, it's throttling charging22:27
* ||cw sighs22:27
||cwright, forgot where I was...22:27
GeneralAntillesIt'll charge22:27
AStorm650 mA is apparently not enough too22:27
GeneralAntillesI, too, would like some real power use figures, though, AStorm.22:27
AStormthe device is overloading the charger :P22:27
AStorm(the diode lights up more then, hehe)22:28
AStormvisible (charging) impulses22:28
GeneralAntillesOMAP at all cpu freq levels and max and minimum device levels.22:28
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AStormwe could measure that though22:29
AStormneed a miliamp meter though22:29
GeneralAntillesIn particular, I want some hard figures to shoot down those Atom nuts with. :D22:29
AStormguess I'll have to buy some cruddy one22:29
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AStormalternatively, a sensitive energy counter22:31
GeneralAntillesIt'd be more fun to go bash heads at Nokia and make them give us some numbers.22:31
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dreamernsDoes anyone know a good dictionary for maemo?22:38
dreamernsWith lots of words - 20000022:39
GeneralAntillesor WhiteStork22:39
AStormdreamerns: then write your own dict file22:40
dreamernsMy friend needs something like miriam-webster for nokia n81022:40
dreamernsIt doesnt matter if its commercial22:41
GeneralAntillesThe 1918 edition is public domain.22:41
AStormthe should use merriam-webster online dict :P22:41
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dreamernsBecouse of bad connections in serbia...he needs offline db22:42
AStormhm, then aspell or sdict22:42
lardmanabout the power levels, it may be time consuming, but one could always fully charge then run until switch off and see how long it takes22:43
AStorm(aspell isn't the kind of dict you want)22:43
AStormlardman: yeah, like with an energy counter22:43
AStormbut that wouldn't count battery charging22:43
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dreamernsOk...tnx i ll check it out22:43
AStormso useless22:44
RST38hlardman: I think there is a conversion script from msdict into stardict format22:44
RST38hlardman: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look22:44
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lardmanAStorm: true, it would be problematic if you wanted to determine the energy useage while charging, but working it out while on battery alone would be useful22:44
AStormRST38h: missed :P22:44
infobotRST38h meant: deamerns: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look22:44
AStormlardman: battery is charging (with my shite charger) slower than discharging22:45
RST38hAStorm: should not happen22:45
lardmanAStorm: you using a phone charger?22:45
lardmanAStorm: my Nokia phone charger produces far fewer mA than my IT one, according to the label22:46
AStormlardman: sure22:46
AStormIT charger is AC-4e22:46
AStormstandard Nokia one22:47
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AStormbut better than my fake which is rated 650 mA22:47
AStormfun part is that it drives that AC-4e to the max too22:48
AStormit gets hot22:48
AStormso, I think it might be even 1A peak or more22:48
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lardmandunno where my phone charger's gone, but it was certainly rated at less than the IT ones22:49
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RST38hSomething is majorly wrong there22:50
RST38hNokia's charger barely gets hot after charging overnight here22:50
AStormRST38h: ... it's hot while charging22:51
AStormnot after22:51
lardmanRST38h: mine are generally warm, but then I always ignore the message to unplug22:52
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RST38hIt is charging now - it is a bit warm to the touch (just checked) but not hot22:52
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RST38hBTW, I have ACP-12e charging my phone close by, and they are about the same temperature22:53
GeneralAntillesThey switch off when not in use.22:53
RST38hGeneral: Actually, they do not =(22:53
RST38hNot these, anyway22:53
GeneralAntillesMine do.22:53
RST38hThe device itself will shut battery off to prevent overcharging, but the power supply will continue draining current (less of it of course)22:54
AStormRST38h: exactly22:54
AStormit shouldn't get that warm22:54
GeneralAntillesWhen not plugged into a device.22:54
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RST38hYes, even when not plugged into a device22:54
KotCzarnyhi everyone22:55
AStormRST38h: AC-8 is supposedly very efficient in that case22:55
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AStormbut expensive22:55
lardmanbloody computer crashed22:55
KotCzarnybloody? O.o22:55
lardmanyou reckon the blood doesn't help?22:56
* KotCzarny imagined blood on lardman's comp22:56
AStormsatan's machine!22:56
lardmannah, desk is too wide so I can't hit my head on the monitor as I curse it22:56
RST38hlardman: use tools22:56
RST38ha set of decorative antlers may be of some use for example22:57
lardmanRST38h: I blame mixing nVidia graphics cards22:57
* RST38h has never had an nVidia graphics card22:57
* KotCzarny had gf2mx400 and gf3ti40022:58
KotCzarnynice for nwn22:58
RST38hTrident Video Accelerator Cyber-XP4 !22:58
lardman7300 and 7800 work fine on their own, just not together22:58
RST38hI wonder why they did not put quotes around "accelerator"...22:58
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lardmanAnyway, time for some TV, before back to the DSP22:59
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* lcuk yawns and stretches 23:01
* Navi pats lcuk on the back23:02
lcukim just glad another week is over23:02
NaviI'm not23:02
lcukno, cos now the real hard work starts23:02
NaviNext week, I have an essay, C++ project, and two exams due23:02
lcukwho can i post my laptop to to get it working23:03
lcuk4 or so weeks ill be stood up infront of (possibly) some of you lot talking about maemo23:03
NaviWhatcha gunna talks aboot?23:03
lcukand i want my code to work before then23:03
rkeeneAStorm, GeneralAntilles: The power connector for the Nokia 770, and N800 are different - btw23:03
GeneralAntillesNo, they aren't.23:03
* Navi would go if he lived on that continent23:03
lcukplatform choice, what made me (as a none tableteer) jump on this bandwagon23:03
lcukand the alternatives i looked at first23:04
NaviI'll tell you what made me jump on it23:04
NaviIt's a cool story23:04
lcukgo for it :) im also discussing you lot :P23:04
NaviMy mom was being laid off from a Nokia assembly plant in Texas23:04
Navithey were selling phones for cheap, the newer ones like the N80 at the time for about fifty bucks23:05
NaviThey were selling the 770s for 20 bucks, but my mom accidentally got the 770's predecessor instead23:06
Naviwhich sucked, btw.23:06
lcukthere was something before the 770?23:06
lcuk:( @ job loss. hope shes sorted now.   bonus at cheap tech :D23:06
NaviSomething like it23:06
KotCzarny770 for a 20$?23:06
KotCzarnyi would hit it23:06
KotCzarny~10 of them23:06
NaviIt was a symbian phone23:06
KotCzarnygreat for multiplayer23:06
lcuki would have 1000 and rule the world23:06
lcukvideo wall :D23:06
NaviLimit: One per person23:07
KotCzarnyone person or one family?23:07
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lcuki am 10 men23:07
Navione per person working there23:07
lcuk(im not really, im a 7 stone weekling :S)23:07
NaviShe was a key op23:07
lcukwith an a23:07
Naviwhich was semi cool23:07
KotCzarnystill, nice deal23:07
NaviThis was a yearish ago23:07
Naviso 20 for a 770 was a good deal23:08
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NaviI didn't get one though :P23:08
KotCzarnyyou got 2? :P23:08
NaviI did research, found out it was teh Linux (being the advocate I am, had to have one).23:08
NaviFast forward a year, and I bought an N80023:09
Naviand threw bricks at KotCzarny because he doesn't follow very well.23:09
KotCzarnyi do23:09
KotCzarnyi was just tricking you to sidestep from a story23:09
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lcukcool navi :)23:10
NaviShe still doesn't have a job :(23:10
lcuki have been tryign to kickstart my touch habit for years23:10
lcuk:( @ mum23:10
KotCzarny'touch habit' o.O23:10
KotCzarnythis channel is full of pervs23:11
lcukyes :)23:11
KotCzarnynokia should put a 'touch me' sticker on the screen23:11
KotCzarnyor box23:11
lcukive been trying for years to get something nice and touchable, it essentially started iwth the SPECTRUM - it had a lightpen interface which i fell in love with23:12
lcukbut my friend needed it back and that was that :(23:12
KotCzarnylightpen, is it similiar to 8bit atari lightgun ?23:12
lcukanyway, fast foreward a number of years - light pens went away and tablets became horrendously expensive23:12
lcuksame idea, its got an ldr in the tip and it watched for the scanbeam23:13
KotCzarnythere was a trick to just point the gun at a lamp an you would have 100% accuracy23:13
lcukanyway, picked up a number of drawing tablet things and played with those starting to get some ideas23:14
lcukgot a pda which was cack and low resolution but did enough for me to use it (plus it was slow and only really ran MS .shit compact thingy)23:14
lcukthen all of a sudden last year, all these cheap speedy hand held devices came out - there are a few archos devices, the iphone/ipod etc23:15
AStormand IT :P23:15
lcuki'd seen the 800 but it didnt appeal23:15
lcukform factor looked off - the 770 was nicer but at the time mony was tighter so it wasnt investigated quite as fully23:16
lcukanyway, engadget had an article announcing the 810.  i think i almost wet myself23:16
lcukit looked perfect :)23:17
lcukit looked fast :)23:17
lcukit ran linux :)23:17
KotCzarnyi got it because it ran linux and was cheap enough to try23:17
lcuki had to have it. no matter what.  it was more expensive than the archos, but it was open.  it also had buttons on the facia to do stuff23:17
KotCzarny(150$ secondhand)23:17
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lcuki was coming down on the ipod before i had seen it, but the resolution of 810 blew me away23:18
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lcukso, ive got my 81023:18
lcukand it will do exactly what i want it to do :)23:18
lcukno other device could give me that23:19
voodoo_laptopanyone here uk based and knows where i can get an 8gb card?23:20
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lcuklinux & development has been tough though.  the learning curve has been immense, but that comes from being shielded inside vb for so long23:20
KotCzarnyvoodoo: online shop23:20
KotCzarnylcuk: but once you're there, you love it :)23:21
lcukvoodoo scan in bolton:
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lcukits the most intense game i have ever played.  i'm playing for my future23:22
voodoo_laptopthe end game boss for that game is impossible23:22
lcukvoodoo_laptop, that 8gb card is microsd, check if the adapter it comes with is mini23:23
lcukand the game is worth playing, im leveling up nicely23:23
voodoo_laptopi have a mini/micro adapter somewhere23:23
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lcukmight be worth taking 810 with you and testing in store first23:24
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lcukor are you miles away23:24
KotCzarnyhe didn't say he has 810.. i think23:25
voodoo_laptopwell i havnt got my 810 yet cause have messed me about23:25
lcukKotCzarny, i think i play the game a little differently to other people. but as long as it gets intended results i dont mind23:25
lcuki got mine direct from nokia - i HAD to have it before xmas23:25
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RST38hGoing to reboot into Linux and upload some packages into extras...23:37
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flyguyI am using Chinook 4.0.1, everytime I quit my program it gives a memory map and then says core dumped. Is this anything to worry about?23:40
KotCzarnynotify the author23:40
RST38hHe said *my* program =)23:41
KotCzarnyah, morning reading23:41
flyguyhere is *my* program
Cptnodegard   LMAO @ logo23:42
flyguyis there anything glaringly wrong, it will eventually be a flash card program for my kids to learn their vocab words23:43
KotCzarnyflyguy: have you considered pygtk ?23:44
flyguynever programmed in python, but yes, though of giving it a go23:45
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KotCzarnynothing glaringly suspicious23:48
RST38hflyguy: you are probably not shutting down gtk correctly23:49
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flyguysorry, have to pick up my kid from school be back in 1023:50
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RST38hf;lyguyL you are not doing gtk_init23:52
RST38hthat may be the reason why it is getting problems later23:52
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