IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-04-15

Mouseyhow come its not ext2/3 by default?00:02
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KotCzarnybecause internal flash in 770/800 is raw flash00:03
KotCzarnyie. mtdblock00:03
KotCzarnyand using ext2/3 on it would kill it. fast.00:03
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KotCzarnybut you can always clone os to mmc00:03
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Sho_cool, official Qt support00:08
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JaffaMousey: if it was ext2/3 by default, Windows couldn't read it over USB00:12
Mousey2008 marks the 10th year i haven't used windows.00:13
tank-manwhy would ext2/3 kill it fast?00:13
Mousey...not that you care00:13
KotCzarnytank man: because mtd doesn't do wear leveling on it's own00:14
KotCzarnyas it's the case with sd00:14
Mouseybecause of journaling it would die faster?00:14
Mouseythat i can imagine, but ext2 seems pretty benign00:15
KotCzarnykey word: wear leveling00:15
KotCzarnymtdblock == no w.l.00:15
* Mousey == ignorant00:15
KotCzarnymmcblock == w.l. on00:15
KotCzarnyso writing a sector 1000000 times on mtd means sure kill00:15
KotCzarnywhile on sd it may be 1 write00:16
KotCzarny(per 1000000 sectors)00:16
KotCzarnyor even less00:16
lcuki thought WL was down to the memory chip itself?00:16
Mouseyi'm still confused, why would ext2 write more often than fat?00:16
lcukie totally transparent to the host ui/os00:16
KotCzarnymousey: disregard what i have said00:17
KotCzarnyi thought you asked about rootfs00:17
Mouseyoooh, yah.. no00:17
KotCzarnynot about user data00:17
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Mouseyi really just meant the mmcblk*00:18
KotCzarnythen jaffa's comment is valid00:18
Mouseybut the windows compatibility seems like the best excuse.. donno why people don't just install ext2 for windows..00:18
KotCzarnymousey: why should they?00:19
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MouseyKotCzarny: yea, can't think of a good reason, nm =)00:19
KotCzarnyassuming they are not geeks with dualboot00:19
elbthe internal flash on the 770/800 isn't NAND?00:19
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KotCzarnyyes it is00:19
KotCzarnyonenand even00:19
KotCzarnyfrom samsung00:19
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elbyou should be able to write it a zillion times, then00:21
qwerty12_N800i'm probably half way to killing mine00:21
* Jaffa is glad it's not ext by default: means I can plug it into a random Win box without worrying about ext drivers00:22
JaffaEven tho' I use Linux exclusively at home00:22
* achadwick had a few read errors in his backups and testing. Hopefully that's purely filesystem-related: my n810 has been crashing a lot recently; been trying to use the camera00:23
* Mousey doesn't use windows ever 00:23
KotCzarnyjaffa: how about 16mb vfat partition with ext2-ifs installer?00:24
* lcuk wonders what Mousey does when it gets to warm in his house00:24
KotCzarnyit's simple, he has no ceiling00:24
Mouseylcuk: i open doors =P00:24
KotCzarnyno bounds!00:24
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KotCzarnyand no walls too00:24
JaffaMousey: and no-one you visit uses it and has stuff you might want to copy on/off you tablet? If sso, you're very lucky00:25
MouseyJaffa: it's more common than you might think00:25
elbI don't generally associate with windows users, myself00:25
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KotCzarnywindows users use wm6 anyway00:25
JaffaKotCzarny: not very practical on locked down machines, say at an  Internet cafe00:25
KotCzarnyfor mobile uses00:25
lcukwhen flash drives first started coming out - everyone had the driver problem - its only just (last couple of years) gotten quite ok and most computers can read the mem sticks00:25
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KotCzarnyjaffa: true, then make it 1gb00:26
KotCzarnyfor quick data from netcafes00:26
KotCzarnyand rest in ext300:26
lcukjust keep it at whole size fat and save all the hassle00:26
qwerty12_N800or use explore2fs :p, standalone prog00:26
* Jaffa doesn't have a problem with it being flash00:26
* lcuk takes the path of least resistence00:26
Jaffalcuk: agreed00:27
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* KotCzarny has 3gig vfat/1gig ext3 (cloned 2008)00:27
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NaviMy flash cards are jffs200:29
JaffaMy flash cards are the saviour of the universe00:30
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derfSaving every one of us?00:30
megabyte405every five minutes to avoid data loss :-P00:31
NaviI ain't need no saving00:31
KotCzarnybit by bit00:31
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Jaffaderf: especially with only 14 hours to save the earth00:36
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* derf cranks up the Queen.00:39
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* KotCzarny rocks derf00:39
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KotCzarnyfruit fun00:40
KotCzarnywell, more like vegetables fun00:41
RST38hX-Fade: Still here?00:42
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Mouseyfrankly i'd rather format 8gb with ext2 than with fat00:53
Mouseyis it even vfat?00:53
Mouseyi guess it has to be, long filenames and all00:56
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lcukright, disconnect time.  doctor who awaits.00:57
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crashanddielcuk, no shit ? Doctor who tonight ?01:10
lcukit was saturday night, but i missed it and need to watch now01:11
lcukits been calling me since earlier but ive been having a wicked idea for linux tag01:11
crashanddieoh shit01:12
crashanddieI didn't know they started airing again01:12
crashanddieme jumps to his torrent tracker01:12
lcukdo that for one of them01:12
lcukbut after that go and watch via bbc iplayer01:12
crashanddielcuk, I don't have access to bbc iplayer01:13
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lcukif we show the isps that legal free means work we can get the ip police off our backs for just watching tv01:13
lcukare you in the uk?01:13
crashanddielcuk, not in the UK (yet)01:13
lcukits flash based and expects a UK ip address01:13
crashanddiewell, in August I will be able to use iPlayer ;)01:13
crashanddieyeah I know01:13
lcuk(for others who dont know)01:14
crashanddieI've been trying to hack it for a shitload of time01:14
crashanddiefor torchwood and everything01:14
qwerty12_N800meh, i just get eastenders torrents and watch on n800 when i miss them01:14
crashanddiebut even using a socks proxy in the UK it somehow manages to spot me... so I dunno01:14
sbkanyone ever pair a N810 to a bt keyboard?01:14
lcukmy missus is so thankful for iplayer - we could never find any casualty torrents01:14
lcukyes i have an apple bt keyboard here now01:15
sbkI was trying to pair my Logitech Dinovo EDGE to my N81001:15
sbkand I wasn't able to01:15
sbkwhen it asked for the code to be punched in01:15
lcukwhat happened?01:15
sbkI did.,,01:15
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sbkand it "failed to pair"01:15
lcukdid you press enter... or whatever you are meant to do on the kb at pairing stage01:15
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KotCzarnyit's a character training01:16
lcukwhich keypad did you try01:16
KotCzarnyfighting with so many fails01:16
sbkthere is only 1 on the EDGE01:16
lcuknums or above qwer01:16
lcukfair enough01:16
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sbkI know right KotCzarny01:16
Spakman_any ideas how I can make my SD card get automounted on boot as rw,noatime (ext2)? I can create a startup script to mount, but it still aways gets automounts just rw.01:17
lcuksbk, you will have to follow the advice i saw for bt devices.   connections may fail due to proximity of the device.  move the peripheral closer or further away and try again01:17
sbkheh, i'll try that later01:18
crashanddiesbk, reboot n810, take out batteries, move outside, start n810 back up, wait for the n810 to be fully loaded and BT running, put batteries in KB, try to pair again01:18
lcukall i know is that it is possible and went smoothly on mine01:18
Spakman_the auto-mounter appears to ignore fstab :(01:18
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crashanddieSpakman, yeah, it does01:18
sbki'll try to pair it again when I get home01:18
sbkyou can't take the batteries out of this dinovo edge01:19
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lcukwhy not?01:19
sbkdesign flaw?01:19
crashanddiesbk, if that doesn't work, use tinfoil on your head so the aliens can't mess with your internal BT receptor, they might be trying some new cancer prone frequencies on you and your families, and that might just be blocking your KB01:19
Spakman_crashanddie: do you know if there's a way to configure it?01:19
sbkahh, thats what I figured crashanddie01:20
pH5Spakman_: edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh01:20
lcuksbk, its from the apple design school01:20
lcukalthough, this bt keyboard is amazing, it takes aa batteries01:20
crashanddiewow wtf ?01:20
crashanddiewhy the hell do you take such a KB for a portable device ?01:20
sbkWOW, I'M NOT!01:20
sbkI'm using it in my office to input contacts01:21
crashanddieoh, right01:21
lcukcrashanddie, the 810 has a mobile use keyboard, perhaps he wants this one to use at home because its a shitload more comfortable ;)01:21
lcukor for that reason ^01:21
Spakman_pH5: wicked, thanks a lot :)01:21
qwerty12_N800pH5, Does that script get called on usb disconnect? I'm working on mmy unionfs port and that would be useful to know.01:22
crashanddielcuk, if I take a BT KB, it'll be mainly because when on the road, it's just easier to use the NIT with a KB, like the stowaway01:22
KotCzarnyfor comfortability i prefer ibm X3{0,1,2}01:22
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lcukfor devices without a keyboard i would agree01:22
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lcukbut i want a big format keyboard to use at home which is why ive got the apple one here01:22
lcukKotCzarny, one of those bt identifiers was my keyboard ;)01:23
KotCzarnythere was only one mac01:23
pH5qwerty12_N800: yes01:23
qwerty12_N800pH5, Thanks01:24
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KotCzarnyfood time01:24
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lcukdoctor who calls >>>>>>>>>>> back maybe later01:34
KotCzarnyhave fun01:34
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qwerty12_N800Does anyone know at boot time (really early, i'm talking before S1* scripts) if /dev/mmcblk devices are available?01:37
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nwidger_is there a channel specific for modest?01:42
nwidger_is anyone else having problems connecting to gmail via imap using the latest version of modest?01:45
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johnxnwidger_, it's a known bug01:47
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jottsweet, nokia finally goes towards qt on maemo.
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oobhello Nokia nerds!01:55
jottmore choice makes one rejoice :)01:55
KotCzarnymore like linux nerds01:55
nwidger_johnx: ah excellent, any known workarounds as of yet?01:58
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KotCzarnyto previous ver01:59
nwidger_i see01:59
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johnxKotCzarny, have you tried downgrading? I tried downgrading just modest but it still didn't work...02:07
KotCzarnyi don't use modest02:07
johnxMight have to do with a stale config file or something though...02:07
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KotCzarnybtw. debian should remove configs too02:08
KotCzarnyi mean dpkg/apt02:08
johnxnot user configs :P02:08
KotCzarnyuserconfigs too i think02:08
johnxKotCzarny, no, it doesn't02:08
KotCzarnyat least if package was configured for it02:08
lcukkot, stop keeping me here :P ill be back later02:08
KotCzarnylcuk: i had to tell you the same02:08
KotCzarnyquistiss is getting cold02:09
lcukyou and your ff02:09
lcukcya later02:09
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KotCzarnyk k02:12
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Zieglern810 users: do you use a screen protecter?04:30
GeneralAntillesGet one04:30
GeneralAntillesI recommend the Boxwave anti-glare for its much improved visibility in a variety of adverse lighting conditions and the surface texture.04:31
ZieglerSticket fit, or does it slip under the edges of the screen?04:31
GeneralAntillesSticky fit.04:32
GeneralAntillesBut washable04:32
GeneralAntillesand replaceable04:32
GeneralAntillesThe stick doesn't wear and doesn't come off.04:32
ZieglerThank you04:32
unique311I removed my screen protector....don't really need one...04:32
unique311unless your n800 is in your pocket iwth your keys in there as well.04:33
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GeneralAntillesTrust me, you need it.04:34
GeneralAntillesGrit is a hard thing to battle.04:34
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unique311not really.....04:34
GeneralAntillesBesides, the benefits in viewability and texture far outweigh any screen protection issues.04:34
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ZieglerActs as abit of a filter yea?04:35
unique311i've been going to work with mtpaint......and yet to see any scratches.....really impress.04:35
GeneralAntillesHow long have you had it off?04:36
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GeneralAntillesI used my 770 for a year without a protector, it definitely had scratches after 6 months (and I'm not uncareful about my touchscreens).04:36
unique311a month maybe.04:36
GeneralAntillesAlso, I refer you to all the "Oops, I know I said screenprotectors were a big waste of time, but now I've scratched my screen and realized I was wrong!" threads on ITT. ;)04:37
rm_you_do n800s have/need screen protectors?04:39
rm_you_cause i definately didnt put one on, and i used it HARDCORE for about 5 months and no scratches at all04:39
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rm_you_and i *AM* uncareful sometimes (i use my fingernails a *lot*)04:39
GeneralAntillesThey're bundled with one.04:39
GeneralAntillesFingernails aren't an issue.04:39
GeneralAntillesGrit getting wedged between the stylus and the screen while you're dragging is.04:40
GeneralAntillesMy recommendation for any of the four NIT devices will always be: Yes, and get a Boxwave anti-glare.04:40
Zieglern810 was not packaged with one :-/04:41
GeneralAntillesEven if you don't think the screen needs the protection (in my experience, it does) the improvements in visibility in a lot of lighting conditions and the much improved texture make it worth it.04:41
GeneralAntillesIt's a "shipping protector"04:41
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unique311I used my ppc6700 forever and didn't get a scratch on it....I think i can manage to do the same with the n800..04:43
unique311really careful when it comes to it....but go with the general and get one...don't cost alot.04:43
unique311I got some from j&r for 10 dollars..04:44
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GeneralAntillesI've tried a variety of protectors on other devices, and Boxwave is the only one I would recommend.04:46
unique311freeball it ziegler04:49
ZieglerDoes that brand need to be cut to size?04:49
ZieglerFor sure unique31104:50
elbhmmm cutting glare might be worth putting a screen protector on, if it actually works04:50
GeneralAntillesIt does, elb.04:50
GeneralAntillesVery well, too.04:50
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elbthe transflective screen makes the n810 sunlight-*usable*, but I wouldn't call it pleasant04:51
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elbyou have to hold it just so to get the glare off it in a lot of conditions04:51
elb$13 for a single protector is kind of steep, though04:51
GeneralAntillesIt's a lifetime-protector.04:52
GeneralAntillesThey essentially don't scratch.04:52
elbso it's made out of the same stuff as the display?  ;-)04:52
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elbhah the "OmniPen Pro" (one of the recommended items on that page) that they sell is a generic item which can be bought at various places for $5 or less04:53
elband they want $2004:53
elbspeaking of steep :-P04:54
GeneralAntillesI saw somewhere that somebody sells the Boxwave protectors for $9 or so04:54
GeneralAntillesDon't recall where04:54
unique311elb if you really need a scratch protector go with the screenguard....10 dollars for 15....04:54
unique311and they don't scratch...04:54
GeneralAntillesSo you may want to look around.04:54
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GeneralAntillesBut do they cut glare, unique311?04:54
elbyeah, I'm not concerned with scratching, but glare is a real problem04:55
GeneralAntilles10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuff in it a retail package.04:55
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: 10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuffed in it a retail package.04:55
elbno, it *actually* sounds like somebody charging a fair price04:55
elbbut it probably *is* someone cutting up a transparency and overchargin04:55
GeneralAntillesMy experience with those protectors has always been bad.04:55
elbthat boxwave item costs them probably $0.50 to produce04:55
elbif even that04:56
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elbconsidering they make protectors for a zillion devices, and all they have to do is cut sheets to size :-P04:56
lcukthink how cheap cellotape is and consider its the same kind of machine and same materials04:56
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elbnow it's *possible* that it's a super-expensive polymer ... but since the polymers in LCD screens are essentially free, I'm doubting it04:56
GeneralAntillesMost things sell for more than they cost to produce. :P04:56
elbmore, yes, but that's just plain extortion04:57
elbhowever, as long as there's no competition, if the product is valuable ...04:57
unique311no glare cutting with screenguardz04:57
ZieglerHehe anyone want to talk religion?04:59
GeneralAntillesI've got it going on in another channel, too, Ziegler. :\04:59
* GeneralAntilles cuts his eyes out.04:59
unique311seems like the n810 version do cut glare.05:00
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unique311i have the 770's05:00
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unique311screenguard hd for nokia n810 = price $15 dollars for 305:02
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unique311not sure about the slight adhesive part on the description...05:04
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* Ziegler considers selling it to poor schmuks for top $$05:07
GeneralAntillesYou wouldn't manage it. :P05:07
ZieglerCut up in n810 sized pieces of course05:07
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KotCzarnydo people really browse web on 320xsomething ?05:31
KotCzarnyand yes, kinetic scrolling rocks :)05:32
ZieglerI am on my n810 right now browsing...05:34
ZieglerBut slightly higher res05:34
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Tama^2Hola folkds05:46
GeneralAntillesGood thing you didn't have to add a letter.05:48
Tama^2mh you will have to explain that one GA05:49
Tama^2I do not get it05:49
GeneralAntillesWhere's that stupid bot?05:49
GeneralAntillesGuess he's dead!05:49
elbhe did a s/// earlier05:50
GeneralAntillesNot infobot05:50
GeneralAntillesThe other one.05:50
GeneralAntillesWith the + trigger.05:50
elbI guess I haven't noticed a second annoying bot05:50
elbor I thought it was just one annoying bot05:50
GeneralAntillesUsed to be three.05:50
GeneralAntillesBut poor Monkey is dead.05:51
GeneralAntillesMonkey had no trigger, he just responded whenever he saw a keyword. <_<05:51
Tama^2monkey? keyword? what was it? BANANA?05:52
GeneralAntillesAnything that he had recorded.05:53
GeneralAntillesSo, if you said MicroB, he'd spam the factoid he had for MicroB.05:53
Tama^2that would be annoying, it works like a geek in need for attention05:53
GeneralAntillesI miss him, though, Infobot doesn't have a personality.05:54
Tama^2What you want is a "Real People Personality"(tm) android form the Sirius Corp.05:55
GeneralAntillesOne of those old-people companion bots from Korea. :D05:56
Tama^2only old people companion bots from Korea use email05:56
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dospodhey does anybody if that snes emulator is ever gonna head to os 2008?07:00
GeneralAntillesIt probably just got uploaded to Extras this morning.07:01
GeneralAntillesfms posted it on ITT a while ago, anyway.07:01
* Mousey huggles freeciv 2.1.3 SDL07:01
dospodI remember they posted it07:01
* Mousey wonders if it'll ever be in a repo07:01
dospodbut I thought it was for the 77007:01
* Mousey huggles Palco, too07:01
GeneralAntillesI'm digging Wesnoth.07:02
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dospodso the snes emu works for 2008?07:03
GeneralAntillesdospod, install it and find out.07:04
dospodI guess I will try07:05
dospodhmm can't find the link07:11
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sarowerI want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo07:12
saroweris there any body?? can help regarding this?07:13
Mouseyi just have a general question about that07:13
Mouseygl?? in maemo?07:14
dospodit seems like no cool apps have came out lately07:14
dospodjust updates to apps07:14
saroweror anything related to open gl!07:14
sarowerin maemo07:15
Mouseybut.. but.. the graphics chip in the nseries.. it does GL?07:15
GeneralAntillesdospod, go develop something yourself, then.07:15
GeneralAntillesIt would have to be software rendering, Mousey.07:15
MouseyGeneralAntilles: ok.. but.. 400MHz???07:15
dospodthere is a vm to download for vmware right?07:15
sarowerMousey: Then??07:16
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sarowerwhat could be done?07:16
Mouseyframe rates of 3 seconds per frame07:16
Mouseyi guess07:16
GeneralAntillesIt'd be fine for simple stuff.07:17
Mouseyi'm sorry i can't help07:17
Mouseyi'd love to see glxgears on an n810 tho07:18
Mouseythat'd be funny07:18
sarowerthank you.......07:19
Mouseythank YOU07:19
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sarowerthen any body else....???07:19
sarowerwho can help..?07:19
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sarower I want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo07:19
Mouseyit worked!07:19
sarower<GeneralAntilles> there is no useful things for me...!07:20
GeneralAntillesThe link was for Mousey.07:20
sarower<GeneralAntilles: I have already see it07:20
GeneralAntillesNobody has really done much work on OpenGL07:20
GeneralAntillesSo I doubt you'll get an answer.07:20
saroweroh then you should mention the name i think!07:20
NaviLook it how fast it runs07:21
GeneralAntillesI'd recommend the maemo-developers mailing list.07:21
NaviThat's amazing!07:21
* GeneralAntilles throws cogs at Navi.07:21
* Navi dodges07:21
GeneralAntillessarower, don't get pissy.07:22
Mouseythat's hawt07:22
GeneralAntillesIf it's not useful to you, you can ignore it.07:22
Mouseythat's SO FAST!!07:22
Mouseydamn you navi for stealing my thunder07:22
Mouseyso i love my n810 to pieces, but i'm thinking i should get an n800 too, and get some 16 or 32gb SD cards and use it for external storage for my n810.. is that reasonable?07:24
Mouseyi mean chicks will dig it07:24
Mouseybut besides that07:24
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GeneralAntillesN800 is super cheap.07:24
Mouseyusb it up to my n81007:24
dospodI think the price for the n810 is crazy07:24
Mouseythat'd be so cool07:25
Mouseyyea, it's more than the Eee07:25
dospodI wouldnt go tha far07:25
Mouseyit is tho07:25
dospodthe eee can run any linux distro almost07:25
dospodmeaning more apps07:25
GeneralAntillesEee isn't small, though.07:25
Mouseyand it's cheaper07:25
termsigcrazy? all the time u paying more for something new.07:25
dospoddont have to port apps07:25
elbso can the n81007:25
dospodjust compile07:25
Mouseyi'm just being lazy, not having a build environment for my n81007:26
elbbut they're not really at all similar07:26
Mouseyi really ought to07:26
Mouseyi'm so lasy07:26
dospodthe eee also has more ram07:26
Mouseysame cpu tho07:26
dospodI love my n800 and all07:26
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dospodbut I wish I could have a eee or itouch sometimes07:26
GeneralAntillesThen go buy one.07:26
dospodI got some many other things I need to buy07:27
dospodlike I need to pay off my car07:27
dospodand then maybe a new phone07:27
dospodgood app07:28
dospodbut could use improvements07:28
Navigrab an iPhone07:28
dospodbut seeing how it runs linux I had an idea It was gonna be a toy and I shouldnt expect everything I have on my computer on it07:28
Mouseyi had to sacrifice christmas AND my birthday to get my n81007:28
dospodNavi I have sprint07:28
Mouseyi'm glad i love it ^_^07:28
NaviDo what half the iPhone users do and jailbreak it07:28
Mouseyscrew that07:28
Mouseyi can't install apps on MY OWN DEVICE??07:29
GeneralAntillesdospod, install Debian.07:29
Mouseydoh! >_<07:29
dospodis it even ready to use?07:29
GeneralAntillesI don't get what you're bitching about, though.07:29
Mouseydebian on an Eee? that's what i'll be doing if i ever get one07:29
dospod that is such an awesome wallpaper for the n80007:29
NaviDebian leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.07:30
GeneralAntillesSubnotebooks are a useless niche for me.07:30
dospodI want a p2p app ( not torrent I mean like gtk gnutella) , and a snes emulators07:30
dospodsnes emulator*07:30
GeneralAntillesMan up and port what you need.07:30
dospodthe vgba port made me so much happier with the n800 though07:30
GeneralAntillesThen package it for the community.07:30
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dospodI tried installing ubuntu on her and it didnt run except in safe mode07:30
dospodso I think Im gonna vm07:30
GeneralAntillesNo power and not pocketable == useless.07:30
dospodand maybe port gtk gnutella07:31
Mouseybleh.. debian runs on EVARYTTHING07:31
dospod  <--- those are so awesome for the n8x007:31
Mouseyif you don't like debian, you're doing it wrong!!07:31
* Mousey takes of his #debian suit07:31
Mouseydospod: u sure that's not a sprint astroturf site?07:32
Navi'scuse me while I gag on package creation.07:32
dospodMousey ???07:32
* liquid64 plays another round of numpty-physics before turning in07:32
dospodoh and android could be very promising on the nit07:33
dospodso that makes me appreciate my n800 more07:33
Mouseybleh indeed07:33
GeneralAntillesAndroid is just Google hype right now.07:33
GeneralAntillesI'll be impressed when they actually have something interesting.07:34
NaviBrowser's decent.07:34
dospodbut Im sure they have lots of developers building apps or will07:34
dospodso that could boost app choices07:34
Mouseymy next phone's openmoko07:34
pupniki like freedom and diversity, but the portable linux scene is too small and fragmented imo07:34
Mouseywon't it be nice to have the same apps on my n810 as my phone. ^_^07:34
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Mouseypupnik: hey! freedom isn't free!07:35
dospodMousey it would be pointless carrying both devices then ; )07:35
GeneralAntillesDefinitely, pupnik.07:35
Mouseydospod: i'm all about multiple devices.. the worlds obsession with one-device-does-everything confuses and entertains me07:35
dospodIm  surprised nobody really cared when fedora released a armel port07:35
dospodMousey Ill take more than one device07:35
NaviI'm not surprised.07:35
GeneralAntillesBecause everybody else already has?07:36
dospodbut I think 2 devices is about to push it07:36
Mouseyi'm suprised it took fedora so long, and where's their sparc64 release? and where's their pa-risc release?07:36
NaviI don't have enough pockets fir 2+ devices07:36
GeneralAntilles"Woo! Me too!" is not something anybody usually cares about.07:36
Mouseyi have tons of pockets07:36
infobotNavi meant: I don't have enough pockets fer 2+ devices07:36
* GeneralAntilles hands Navi a manpurse.07:36
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Mouseyi usually have a minimum of 3 or 4 devices at any given time07:37
GeneralAntillesThat's insane.07:37
Mouseyyea, insanely USEFUL07:37
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine how.07:37
Italodanceoh hi guys07:38
Mouseyoh hai!07:38
dospodand it seems like the debian port is kinda dead07:38
liquid64has anyone got any experience with mud-builder on scratchbox?  I am trying to compile tn5250, and build a deb for my NIT, but it keeps failing07:38
dospodand android dosen't look too bad07:38
pupniki carry a camera and NIT07:38
NaviPhone an NIT07:38
Mouseywell ARMs are endian agnostic, if you aren't impressed with the little endian port, try the big endian one.. that's better for network gear anyway since network traffic is naturally be07:38
infobotNavi meant: Phone and NIT07:38
Mouseyi carry, phone, phone, nit, earpiece, external drive, array of flash medias07:39
Mouseybut at minimum phone phone nit earpiece07:39
NaviWhy two phones?07:39
Mouseyone for work one for personal07:39
Mouseyi hate having all my calls on one phone07:39
Mouseyharder to ignore07:39
tank-manyea, way easier to carry more things07:40
pupnikfunny, i never bought a cell phone, but three employers bought me phones... and two girlfriends07:40
Naviyay for pupnik07:40
pupnikso i figure this is a good approach07:40
Mouseyyour employer bought you TWO girlfriends??07:40
Mouseyi need a new job07:40
NaviYeah, that's the way I read it the first time :/07:40
pupnikif someone wants to keep you on a chain, they buy you a cellphone07:40
Mouseythat's what i get for working in operatiosn07:41
Mouseyoperations, even07:41
NaviI rarely answer my cell07:41
NaviI tell people not to call it07:41
Mouseyi use my cel for NIT internet access =)07:41
Mouseyotherwise i txt message everyone07:41
Mouseyif my phone rings, something went terribly wrong07:41
dospodhey pupnik does your snes emulator work for os200807:41
NaviIt blows07:42
pupniki haven't gotten sound out of it yet07:42
dospodI hate sound on emualtors07:42
pupnikthe snes emu blows07:42
dospodI dont know why07:42
MouseySPEAKING OF07:42
pupnikanybody want to work on a new one?  it's loading a game now.  should run fullspeed07:42
Mouseyanyone get the n8x0 working as bt headphones instead of bt headSET?07:42
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dospodpupnik what do you mean work on a new one?07:43
pupnika new snes emu that doesn't suck07:43
pupniki haven't made progress in a couple of weeks07:43
GeneralAntillesMousey, you want A2DP.07:43
pupnikbut that's laziness07:43
Mouseya2dp you say07:43
* Mousey googles07:43
pupnikDatapath wanted to work on it but no progress in 5 months07:44
dospodI hope progress gets made07:44
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liquid64woops, wrong window07:49
GeneralAntillesIRC: ls: command not found07:49
czrIRC: did you mean lsd07:49
Mouseynight folks07:49
* GeneralAntilles drifts around downtown.07:49
GeneralAntillesHowdy, czr.07:49
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czrhey GA07:49
* czr drifts to client's premises ->07:50
GeneralAntillesWoo !07:51
czrnot that kind of drifting :-)07:51
GeneralAntillesLimited Slip Differential07:51
GeneralAntillesBad joke, I'm sorry.07:51
czrmore of the "damn this sailboat has no motor and there's no wind"-kind of drifting :-)07:51
dospodyea thats how my life feels07:52
dospodfkn ex girlfriend and I lost my best friend a little over a week ago07:52
czrlife is.07:52
czrno. just is.07:53
dospodone day your here the next you can be gone07:53
czrtrue that.07:53
dospodits so crazy07:53
dospodit feels like my best friend is still living with his mom in ohio and isnt gon07:54
* halleck starts humming "All we are is dust in the wind"07:54
pupnikbut everything you do changes the world07:56
dospodits weird07:57
dospodone day I dont care about my ex then , she txted me bc my phone's buttons got pushed and called her i guess , and now07:57
dospodwere are head over heels for each other07:57
dospodbut were in a fkd up situation07:57
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sarowersetting up development environment to use open gl in maemo08:06
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sarowerany heliP/08:06
sarowerany body...?08:06
GeneralAntillessarower, try maemo-developers mailing list.08:06
sarowerwhat is the process??08:06
sarowerwhat is the address?08:07
GeneralAntillesGoogle, sarower:
sarowerok... boss08:08
sarowerThank you!08:08
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sarowervery much08:08
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sarower<GeneralAntilles: Should i mail there..?08:09
saroweror any article is there..?08:09
GeneralAntillesSearch first08:09
GeneralAntillesIf you don't see anything, then mail.08:09
saroweroh.. then?08:09
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sarower<GeneralAntilles: Can i mail there??08:13
sarowerabout my problem?08:13
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hallecksarower: wow...he already answered you, spend a bit of time googling for your answer, if no one seems to have answered it then yes.08:19
sarowerhalleck: Cool man!!!08:21
RST38hX-Fade: Is it possible to resubmit the ssh key?08:22
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Cptnodegard"Latest iPhone beta firmware does full screen captures, saves web images"08:30
Cptnodegarddidnt know it couldnt even do that before08:30
Cptnodegardeven my phone can do that08:30
Cptnodegardmy last 4 phones oculd do that08:30
GeneralAntillesNo cut and paste, either.08:31
Cptnodegardi dont get why people buy it... its like a prototype or something08:31
GeneralAntillesEh, it's good for Joe User.08:31
GeneralAntillesMy mother has one08:32
GeneralAntillesand she absolutely loves the thing.08:32
GeneralAntillesShe's been through a lot of N-series phones, too.08:32
Cptnodegardyeah...i well sorry for Joes. they end up spending more money and getting fewer features just because they are technologically retarded08:32
GeneralAntillesWell, there's a bit of an opportunity cost involved.08:33
GeneralAntillesSome people simply don't have the time to invest in getting their devices to do what they want.08:33
Cptnodegardas apple and bose are perfect examples of08:33
GeneralAntillesBose . . . gawd08:34
GeneralAntillesWhat garbage.08:34
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Cptnodegardthe iphone is showing up on all kinds of tv series' now... hidden advertising08:34
Cptnodegardncis in particular08:34
GeneralAntillesIt was Chuck, I think where they were changing somebody's phone between an iPhone and an N95 from shot to shot.08:35
Cptnodegardyeah that too08:35
GeneralAntillesMade me laugh.08:35
RST38hVery clever, getting money from two companies at once08:35
GeneralAntillesIt's funny, because most shows end up having to plaster over the Apple logos on the computers.08:35
RST38hNot if Apple pays 'em though =)08:36
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Cptnodegardadam in mythbusters got one too08:36
Cptnodegardhe uses it for stopwatch on the show08:36
Cptnodegardim surprised it can even tell time08:36
* RST38h wonders what FTC thinks about this stuff though08:36
GeneralAntillesMythbusters. . . .08:36
GeneralAntillesThat show pisses me off.08:36
GeneralAntillesThey fail at science.08:37
GeneralAntillesI mean, I enjoy watching it08:37
GeneralAntillesbut I have to make sure I disconnect or I just get irritated by their methods.08:38
Cptnodegardlol true08:38
GeneralAntillesFirearm stuff they're particularly bad with.08:39
Cptnodegardand the latest one, the macgyver episode08:39
GeneralAntillesWater penetration, for example08:39
Cptnodegardthat plane they made08:39
GeneralAntillesThey took a .50 and shot it into a pool 3' from the water.08:39
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GeneralAntillesIt, of course, had way too much energy on entry08:39
GeneralAntillesso didn't penetrate at all08:40
GeneralAntillesBut they didn't consider trying it from a reasonable range, say, 200-500yds08:40
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GeneralAntilleswhere the bullet would have a lot more energy and a lot better penetration.08:40
Cptnodegardindeed... when they tested the home made gldie plane, they dropped it from a short hill and not a cliff so it crashed into the hill08:40
GeneralAntillesThankfully there's some cool shit that offsets the bad08:41
GeneralAntilleslike the concrete mixer truck they blew up.08:41
Cptnodegardi love docu shows like that. but dirty jobs > mythbusters anyday08:41
GeneralAntillesHell yeah.08:41
Cptnodegardlol yeah i remember that one08:41
GeneralAntillesDirty Jobs is great fun.08:42
Cptnodegardnew dirty jobs episode today08:42
GeneralAntillesWe used to watch that during lunch at work.08:42
GeneralAntillesI don't get cable up here08:42
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Cptnodegard30 days is another great docu series08:42
Cptnodegardmade by morgan spurlock08:43
GeneralAntillesYeah, heard of it.08:43
GeneralAntillesHaven't gotten around to watching it yet.08:43
Cptnodegardeatched ice road truckers during the weekend...also good08:43
GeneralAntillesFuture Weapons is fun.08:44
GeneralAntillesI kinda hate the host, but he's the real deal.08:44
Cptnodegardyeah i havent watched much because of the guy08:44
Cptnodegardhes like rambo+joh n mcclain onn speed08:44
GeneralAntillesAt least he's no joker, though.08:45
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sarower setting up development environment to use open gl in maemo08:54
sarowerany help?08:54
sarowerany body?08:54
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kulvesarower: no hardware accelerated open gl09:05
kulvesarower: and with software it's *slow*09:05
sarowern800 has hardware accelared09:06
kulveno drivers09:06
sarowern800 dont have support of open gl?09:06
kulveyep, no support09:06
sarowerBut So far I know N800 has but N810 don't have support!09:07
kulvesame hw, same support. I.e. no support09:07
sarowerhow you are sure.. about it...kulve?09:07
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KotCzarnyask 100 times09:08
KotCzarnyhe will answer the same09:08
sarowerI have heared about it from nokia people... kulve!!!09:08
KotCzarnyand anyone else too09:08
kulvesarower: google it09:08
kulvesarower: very old story09:08
KotCzarnysarowar: bring us working drivers09:08
KotCzarnythen we can talk09:08
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KotCzarnyno rumors09:08
KotCzarnybut drivers09:08
kulvesarower: there is the hardware, but there's no kernel drivers for it nor the opengl stack using the drivers09:09
kulvesarower: you can you e.g. vincent (open gl es software stack) but it's very very slow09:09
sarowerKotCzarny: But One of the nokia people onformed me about this... that N800 has support of open gl09:09
kulvesarower: you misunderstood him09:09
KotCzarnysArowar: bring me drivers then09:09
kulvesarower: or he didn't knew what he was talking about..09:09
KotCzarnymesagl is also opengl :)09:10
saroweri know09:10
KotCzarnyso unless you bring us working drivers there's no point in arguing09:10
sarower<KotCzarny: Then you say that I can not use open gl suppport to develop the application!09:11
KotCzarnysure, you can09:11
KotCzarnybut it won't run that fast09:11
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sarowerOk...... but how i can use to develop the application....? slow is not matter!!09:11
KotCzarnyas in the link you posted before09:12
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KotCzarnyit's compatible with opengl09:12
sarowercan you please say the way of setting up the development environment?09:12
KotCzarnynope, because i haven't done it09:12
sarowerthen how you are sure about that?09:13
KotCzarnyunless you ask about sdk09:13
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KotCzarnykulve: i believe he posted that link before09:14
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kulveI've run the vincent on n80009:16
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Cptn-N800Vincent ran on mine too. He stepped on the screen and broke it09:17
Cptn-N800(Sry, bored)09:17
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GeneralAntillesStupid Vincent.09:20
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ProteousVincent is such a n00b09:25
ProteousI heard he tried to jailbreak his ipod shuffle09:26
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sarower<KotCzarny:  What is VMware?09:30
sarowerwhat could be done by it?09:31
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kulvesarower: try googling a bit09:31
kulvevmware is a virtual machine. It allows you to run e.g. linux in e.g. windows (or vice versa)09:32
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sarowerif i wat to run local .. application09:32
saroweror develop in the local machine?09:32
sarowerwill it work?09:33
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kulveI don't have a clue what is your local machine, so I can't really help09:35
kulveif you have a linux computer, just follow the instructions found in the maemo.org09:35
sarowermy question is that: is it only for remote PC?09:36
kulve"it"? "remote pc"?09:37
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AStormdoes someone here have usbutils and pciutils?10:04
AStormor know what's the camera model in N810?10:04
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kulve[   12.992187] tcm825x_configure(): configuring Image Size 310:07
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AStormkulve: but also some bus10:11
AStormdo we have an open driver?10:11
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kulveI think so10:11
X-FadeRST38h: I have sent you an invitation again.10:11
kulveI think the camera is just a normal v4l2 device?10:11
X-FadeThe camera does v4l2..10:12
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AStormmhm, good10:13
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AStormwho cares anyway10:14
AStormit is in mainline10:14
KotCzarnyi remember having problems with cam interface..10:14
AStorm(and linux-omap)10:14
KotCzarnyonly mplayer ran fine on it so far..10:14
AStormyeah, the jamming :P10:14
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AStormthat's been fixed since10:14
KotCzarnyprobably not everything is implemented10:14
KotCzarnyastorm: mainline == 2.6.24.x ?10:15
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AStormbut linux-omap is better10:15
KotCzarnybackport please.10:15
AStormport it yourself10:15
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AStormI still have  to get the sources10:16
KotCzarnykernel fun10:16
KotCzarnythough single file replace may work10:16
AStormI want a new kernel10:16
KotCzarnywho knows10:16
AStormso, I want to know how to launch that wifi10:16
AStormI can write a dbus-to-iwconfig bridge10:17
AStorm(and wpa_supplicant)10:17
AStormhave to know where to get that driver first though10:18
Italodancerhapsody is an online media player yes? only online or possible for our mmc cards too?10:22
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AStormforget about it10:24
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AStormUS only10:24
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ItalodanceAStorm US only? ummm what u mean?10:25
Italodancejust play US stations?10:25
X-FadeItalodance: It is a subscription based service..10:26
qwerty12Does anyone have the libapt-pkg-dev (>= 0.7.6). apt-get source keeps pulling me version 6.10:26
X-FadeOnly available to US customers..10:26
qwerty12Or do I build from original apt source?10:26
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qwerty12Wish me luck, I'm probably gonna kill the apt on my device and need a reflash.10:38
KotCzarnyhmm, qwerty, did you know you can simply backup or clone?10:39
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KotCzarny(backup using mtdutils)10:39
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qwerty12Ahh, that sounds useful :)10:39
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KotCzarnythat will save you time reinstalling/reconfiguring everything10:40
qwerty12My computer/router has problems with SSH so I can't backup like that.10:40
KotCzarnyproblems with ssh?10:40
KotCzarnyare you serious?10:40
qwerty12Yes, my router doesn't like it :P10:40
qwerty12Stays connecting forever and then never times out.10:40
KotCzarnyit's a simple tcp app10:40
KotCzarnysounds like bitchy firewall10:41
qwerty12Over USB, I once got it to work but now it just refuses my connection. in 1 second.10:41
KotCzarnyblocking everything that's not port 8010:41
qwerty12I configured the SSH ports :) but this router's pretty crap anyway.10:41
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qwerty12But I've reflashed 3 times in 2 days.10:42
icepolarpolarhi may i ask if we have GTKTooltip in Maemo?10:42
KotCzarnyi can't imagine how crappy it must be10:42
KotCzarnywhat's the model?10:42
qwerty12Very, in high network load, it reboots >.<10:42
qwerty12A linux based Netgear DG834GT10:42
qwerty12It's running modded firmware but it's still crap.10:43
KotCzarnyno mods?10:43
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KotCzarnymod further!10:43
qwerty12It's been a long time since I built firmware for it :P10:43
qwerty12I don't even remember how.10:43
AStormI need to know what hack I need to drop onto umac.ko10:43
KotCzarnysave yourself troubles and add a switch before router?10:44
KotCzarnyastorm: cp ?10:44
AStormto make it work in 2.6.2510:44
KotCzarnyinsmod -f ?10:44
qwerty12KotCzarny, Hmm maybe, but it's overkill for SSH :)10:44
AStormdon't make me laugh10:44
AStormI said a mod10:44
AStormprob. just version info?10:44
KotCzarnyastorm: but does it work with -f ?10:44
AStormI don't have the kernel yet!10:45
AStormit will have been built with my arm crosscompiler10:45
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KotCzarnyqwerty: still, you have usb/initfs rescue mode10:45
AStormgcc 4.2.310:45
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qwerty12KotCzarny, True :), but it keeps refusing my connection in 1 second >.<10:46
AStormthis might not work with umac.ko10:46
qwerty12AStorm, Are you building a newer kernel for N8*0?10:46
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KotCzarnywhat kernel poky uses?10:46
AStormwould love more info10:46
qwerty12Does the Nokia Patch for the kernel apply onto the new kernel?10:47
KotCzarnyqwerty: unlikely10:47
AStormwhat patch?10:47
AStormno patch needed10:47
KotCzarny.17 and .25 are quite far away10:47
AStormlinux-omap branch has it all10:47
KotCzarny.17 is ~1.5 years old10:47
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qwerty12When you apt-get source, you get the original kernel but apt-source applies a patch for nokia2420_defconfig etc.10:47
AStormI'm not sure about DSP though10:47
AStormqwerty12: uhm... I can't get the source10:48
AStormdon't have the source url10:48
qwerty12I've seen it somewhere. brb10:48 ?10:48
KotCzarnythen look inside chinook/k/kernel10:49
KotCzarnyor something10:49
AStormfirst I'll try a build10:49
qwerty12kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz  is the patch that is applied10:49
qwerty12Without it, you get standard kernel.10:50
AStormgood it's a diff10:50
qwerty12KotCzarny, you were very nearly right :P10:50
KotCzarnyif i knew the exact location i would paste it10:50
AStormanyway, it's linux-omap10:50
AStormmaybe with some minor mods10:51
qwerty12KotCzarny, Hehe, I was joking around :). I'm trying to get apt 7 to build.10:51
AStormI'm only afraid that maemo drivers will hate the new gpio interface10:51
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AStormintroduced in 2.6.2410:51
AStormis mce open finally?10:52
kulveI dont think so10:52
AStormso 8}ll have to reverse it10:52
AStormsimple though, it only asserts pins here and there10:53
Italodancewhere can i find languages for mdictionary?10:53
AStormmakes them avail to dbus10:53
AStormI think retu is also supported in linux-omap10:55
AStormso is tahvo10:55
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AStormtime to experiment then10:56
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AStormlinux-omap is indeed progressing fast10:59
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AStormtsl2563 was recently added11:00
AStormthe light sensor11:00
pupnikcool, 4 NiMH D-cells could give 40,000 mAh11:01
AStormhuge and heavy11:02
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pupnikyeah that'd be like 2 weeks of full-day tablet power though11:02
AStormyou'd need a backpack for them11:02
ItalodanceVideo center can play video/audio from mmc ?11:02
AStormpupnik: sure11:02
KotCzarny2 weeks11:03
pupnikno, 4 D cells would fit into a sweatshirt pocket11:03
AStormyou only need 5V and about 800 mAh11:03
KotCzarnyor into sleeve11:03
AStormD? you mean 12 V11:03
pupnikno 1.25 v11:03
AStormthat isn't AAA?11:04
AStormor AA?11:04
AStormshow me one11:04
KotCzarnyastorm: to takie grubsze takie11:04
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KotCzarnyastorm: jak w latarkach np11:04
AStormKotCzarny: domyślam się11:04
AStormyou need at least four11:05
KotCzarnypupnik: 4xaa would be more convenient though11:05
AStormand I don't know if they can sustain 800 mA current11:05
pupnikyeah.  and i only have a charger for AA11:05
KotCzarnyand Ds are expensive like hell11:05
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KotCzarny4xD = 30EUR11:06
AStorm8x AA could work I think11:06
KotCzarny8? 4 is enough11:06
AStormw/o too much strain on them11:06
AStormno, 4 won't sustain the current11:06
AStormthey'd fail11:06
KotCzarnynot true11:06
KotCzarnydigital cameras suck more11:07
AStormyeah? 800 mA?11:07
AStormsustained, not peak11:07
AStormcams usually use about 100-200 mA11:07
pupnikwhy do the specs not tell me current capacity for these AAs11:08
AStormeven the flash, that is driven through a cap (in new cams)11:08
AStormbecause no one knows :P11:08
pupnikbut i like the idea of 8x11:08
KotCzarnyNiMH batteries are particularly advantageous for high current drain applications, due in large part to their low internal resistance. Alkaline batteries, which might have approximately 3000 mA·h capacity at low current demand (200 mA), will have less than 1000 mA·h capacity with a 1000 mA load.11:08
AStormiti depends on heat dispersion11:08
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AStormcheck charge current for a rough guide11:09
pupnikthink two series of 4x would give enough voltage?11:09
KotCzarnycharge current is ~10% of capacity11:09
AStormpupnik: one seeries11:09
pupnikfor the 5v in11:09
pupnikwell in parallel11:09
AStormit'd give approx 5V11:09
AStormno, in series11:09
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AStormin parallel voltage stays the same11:10
pupnik(4 in series) x 211:10
KotCzarnybtw. someone in this chan tried misc voltages11:10
JaffaMorning, all11:10
KotCzarnyso 4.8 may be too low11:10
pupnikif they drop to 1.2 volts at the end, then they'd only give 4.811:10
KotCzarnyi can't find the link11:10
AStormthen use 511:10
KotCzarnybut the best would be to test11:10
KotCzarnyyeah, do you have 5cell charger?11:10
AStormyup, we need that wimpy plug first11:10
pupniko i have spare plugs11:11
AStormbroke as usual?11:11
AStorm(stupid Nokia, these plugs must be changed)11:11
KotCzarnypupnik: will you test it?11:11
KotCzarnyastorm: buy adapter11:11
KotCzarnyfrom new nokia plug to classic11:11
KotCzarnythey go ~1-2$11:12
AStormbut the adapter will break too11:12
AStorm(at the tiny plug)11:12
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KotCzarnybuy right-angle adapter11:12
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KotCzarny(harder to break)11:12
AStormwoohoo, that's a good idea11:12
KotCzarnyand easier to use too11:12
AStormand a 5V/900mA charger11:12
AStormmy current one is wimpy 650A11:13
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KotCzarny650A is not wimpy11:13
KotCzarny(at 5V)11:13
KotCzarnytypo that could kill11:13
AStormso, this only barely charges the battery11:13
KotCzarny'hey, this instruction says we need 650A'11:13
AStormwhen N is in use11:14
AStormfortunately, even though it's fairly overdriven, it works11:14
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AStormand heats up less than AC-4e11:15
AStormI'll build my own11:15
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KotCzarnyIn this area, NiMH batteries have a big advantage over alkalines, being able to deliver significantly more current. This makes them well suited to high-current devices like digital cameras. As mentioned above, early NiMH batteries could not supply as much current as NiCd batteries, but this is no longer the case, with NiMH having surpassed NiCd in this area.11:15
AStormor buy new AC-811:15
KotCzarnyso your argument about not enough current is no longer valid11:15
AStormso, we should use 5x NiMH11:16
AStormeither AA or AAA11:16
KotCzarnyor 5V and voltage regulator11:16
AStormAAA would give us about 5000 mAh11:16
KotCzarnyerm. 4.8V11:16
AStormbut such a regulator will be fun to find11:16
KotCzarnywe have to wait for pupnik tests first though11:17
KotCzarnyastorm: they are available as one chip solutions already11:17
AStormI can build it just fine too :P11:17
AStormsuch a weird stepup?11:17
KotCzarnyastorm: you have said you don't have the plugs :P11:17
AStormKotCzarny: but I can get :P11:17
AStorm5x NiMH will be heavy, but pocketable11:18
AStormbut 6V11:18
KotCzarnyi usually carry my backpack with me11:18
KotCzarnyso even small 12V akku would work11:18
AStormwell, split the 4 AAA into two pockets and you won't notice11:18
KotCzarnyyou will11:19
AStormblah blah11:19
AStorm4000 mAh is more than enough11:19
KotCzarnyi'm curious if 4x nimh could drive a nokia11:19
KotCzarny(or charge)11:19
AStormthat gives two additional days11:19
AStormcharge, surely11:20
X-FadeOr buy something like this. Keeps you fit at the same time :)
AStormdrive, surely11:20
* KotCzarny cranks x-fade up11:20
AStormdrive+charge, not too sure11:20
AStormX-Fade: lol11:20
KotCzarny'use that hand muscles boy!'11:20
KotCzarny(or girl)11:20
AStormyou won't be able to generate enough current11:21
AStormuse a knee servo instead11:21
KotCzarnyi would love hydrogen power cells11:21
AStormKotCzarny: too expensive11:21
KotCzarnyas anything at the beginning11:22
AStormethanol fuel cell fwit!11:22
AStormor betgavoltaic battery11:22
qwerty12Meh what about that urine powered battery :P11:22
AStormnah, too small11:22
KotCzarnyand too smelly11:22
AStormI'm absolutely positive that β-voltaic has too small current too11:23
AStormbut alcohol cold fuel cell...11:23
AStormstill, that's too large :P11:23
pupnikwell i finally found a female-female USB-A adapter11:24
qwerty12w00t, I got latest hildon app manager compiled! I;m gonna test it out. It's either gonna work or kill my tablet :P11:24
AStormI have one too11:24
AStormyou'll see missing strings probably11:25
qwerty12Hopefully, I won't have to reflash :), Otherwise my 4th time in 2 days.11:26
AStormah, and add solar cells11:26
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AStormhmm, N tells me only 4h on wifi11:27
AStormout of a fully charged11:28
KotCzarnyit's only an estimation11:28
KotCzarnyprobably 100%cpu or something happened11:28
KotCzarny(ie. reboot)11:28
AStormwith 10 mA signal11:28
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AStormnah, cpu usage is low11:28
AStormand wifi power saving is active11:29
AStormmaybe something is waking cpu up needlessly11:29
AStormxomap, hildon-desktop11:29
AStorm10% cpu usage11:30
AStormTop is eating more, lol11:30
AStorm(it's prob. 10% out of slowed down cpu11:31
qwerty12ARRGH! Why is the packing of application manager so BAD!11:31
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sarowerHi, I want to use Open gl in maemomm application.11:31
qwerty12You won't believe the amount of problems I've had! :P11:31
KotCzarnyjust don't use it11:32
AStormI suspect the systray clock to take cpu11:32
sarowerany body there can help me regarding this11:32
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AStormsarower: nope, bad idea11:32
qwerty12All I want is the long version name fix and an update all button.11:32
qwerty12KotCzarny, :)11:32
AStormsarower: there's no acceleration yet11:32
KotCzarnyqwerty: remove offending package from the list11:32
sarowerwhich library it supports and how to set up the development environment11:32
AStormsarower: other than that, use like in gtk11:33
KotCzarnyit's probably libvorbis or something11:33
AStormsarower: it's mesa11:33
AStormlike in Linux (it is one)11:33
sarowerok.... but how i can do tis?11:33
AStormuse GLCanvas of GTK11:33
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qwerty12KotCzarny, I think you are right, I've got a nice script that removes the dependices from a control file.11:33
sarowerAStrom: But i have heared that N800 has Open GL Support11:34
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sarowerOpenGL ES11:34
qwerty12No drivers.11:34
KotCzarnyheh.. this guy again11:34
qwerty12No hardware acceleration support.11:34
KotCzarnyno matter how many times you repeat it11:34
qwerty12Most likely ever,11:34
AStormsarower: no, it doesn't11:34
KotCzarnyrumors, yes, there are rumors11:34
KotCzarnydrivers for n8x0, no, no drivers in the wild11:34
X-FadeWell, TI has drivers..11:34
AStormTI not11:35
X-FadeBut until Nokia pays them a lot of money, we don't get them..11:35
AStormthe guys of powervr have11:35
KotCzarnyhow much lot is a lot?11:35
RST38hX-Fade: thanks =)11:35
AStormNokia has them for Symbian11:35
X-FadeKotCzarny: I don't know...11:35
AStormnote N9511:35
* RST38h found [the hard way] that ssh keys are tied to a particular machine11:35
X-FadeThere are drivers in the TI linux sdk..11:35
AStormX-Fade: 2D11:35
X-FadeBut that is for an older kernel..11:35
RST38hSpeaking of powervr drivers, a different question;11:36
AStormand that too11:36
RST38hDoes anyone know where to find PowerVR instruction set description?11:36
X-FadeAStorm: I seem to recall that they were 3D. With sample applications..11:36
AStormRST38h: NDAized11:36
RST38hIs it publicly known or some kind of corporate secret?11:36
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X-FadeAStorm: But check the noBounds video. You can see 3D in action on the device.11:36
KotCzarnynot entirely true11:37
qwerty12Yep, I did it. I need a reflash.11:37
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KotCzarnyat least not until we get it in a downloadable version11:37
AStormqwerty12: fail is you11:37
AStormI didn't11:37
AStormok, tim e for lunch :P11:37
* KotCzarny never had to reflash, yet11:37
qwerty12AStorm, lol. I get operation failed on opening and apt-worker binary is nowhere to be seen.11:37
qwerty12KotCzarny, Do you mess around with your N800 as much as me? :P11:38
KotCzarnyi only flashed kernel once or twice and menuboot once11:38
KotCzarnyqwerty: yes, even more11:38
qwerty12Hehe :D11:38
KotCzarnyqwerty: why don't you play on mmcbooted os?11:39
KotCzarnyit's easier to backup/restore11:39
AStormqwerty12: you broke packaging11:39
KotCzarnysimple dd on the pc11:39
AStormyou win11:39
qwerty12My card's really crap. With 48Hz kernel, i/o errors all the way.11:39
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KotCzarnythen don't use 48MHz sd kernel11:39
qwerty12AStorm, probably. Ah well, I'll have to wait for diablo.11:40
qwerty12KotCzarny, I like the the other stuff I get :)11:40
KotCzarnyyou can disable this patch11:40
qwerty12Through make menuconfig?11:40
KotCzarnythrough patch -R11:40
KotCzarnyor some editing11:40
qwerty12I have Fanoush's mega patch :P11:41
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KotCzarnyask him to make it configurable11:41
qwerty12It would be nice to control it by something like sysctl.11:41
qwerty12Because I don't want to disable it for other cards that I may get.11:42
AStormsysfs is easier11:42
KotCzarnybut probably doable11:42
qwerty12Actually come think of it, 48Hz isn't provided by fanoush, its by TI themselves. Fanoush's patch just uncomments.11:42
KotCzarnyqwerty: ask fanoush very nice and maybe he will do it11:42
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AStormask me very nice and I'll do it regardless11:43
KotCzarnyat 48Hz you would be reading at 6bytes/s11:43
KotCzarny(or less)11:43
AStormbut, gimme the sources first11:43
AStormKotCzarny: why?11:43
AStormit's 48MHz11:43
qwerty12Here's one patch:
qwerty12As you can see, it doesn't do much.11:44
KotCzarnyqwerty: patch -R <patch-name11:44
KotCzarnyand you're done11:44
KotCzarny-p1 switch can be needed too11:44
qwerty12KotCzarny, that patch is for older kernel :). fanoush updated it. But I guess I can do it by hand.11:45
qwerty12It's what I do with most troublesome patches.11:45
KotCzarnyjust replace 48 with something lower11:45
qwerty12That's a nice idea, thanks :).11:45
KotCzarnyor comment out hispeed sd feature11:45
* qwerty12 feels stupid now.11:45
KotCzarnyfrom the host capabilities11:45
AStormor provide a sysctl11:46
AStormuhm, sysfs11:46
KotCzarnymore work11:46
AStormto set the value11:46
qwerty12Yes, I think a sysctl would be nice though, I wouldn't have to run to kernel_flasher for highest speed.11:46
qwerty12But I don't have the knowledge.11:47
KotCzarnyno one is born with linux kernel knowledge11:47
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AStormKotCzarny: sure11:49
AStormbut sysfs is easy11:49
lardmanAStorm: I see your comments about PowerVR, yes the SDK drivers are for a different kernel, but the symbols are pretty similar, it's also for the omap2430, and it doesn't appear to do anything when loaded (after the symbols are fixed)11:49
AStormread: fail?11:50
AStormI think it's the lack of glx11:50
AStormor dri11:50
qwerty12I know you can mount initfs but is it possible to see the bootloader contents?11:51
KotCzarnyi think bootloader is binary blob11:52
KotCzarnythink: lilobootloader11:52
qwerty12Ah, ok thanks. I'm on the hunt for the green progress bar.11:52
KotCzarnyprobably in initfs11:52
KotCzarnythere's app that simply draws the bar in 10s11:52
qwerty12Does initfs get mounted before flashing?11:52
qwerty12KotCzarny, fb-progress11:53
qwerty12But thats in rootfs.11:53
qwerty12Rootfs is getting flashed :P. But I think you are right, other files are too small.11:54
qwerty12I come out with the most pointless ideas, I'm gonna mount the initfs on my computer.11:54
KotCzarnyhmm, you are talking about flashing progress?11:54
KotCzarnythat's why i have never seen it11:55
qwerty12Hehe, what about updating to OS2008? :P11:55
KotCzarnymy device already had os200811:55
sarowerKotCzarny: I am repeating it coz, I am trying to find any other people who may know this very well. Don't angry man...!!!11:55
qwerty12Damn, I had to flash mine :)11:55
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KotCzarnysarowar: other people know what we know11:56
lardmanAStorm: fail as in the proc entries are not created11:56
KotCzarnyand google too11:56
sarowerOh that may be...11:56
KotCzarnybut you're free to report back11:56
sarowerbut i did not know this.. that other people knows as you11:56
AStormlardman: hmmm11:56
KotCzarnyif you had success11:56
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KotCzarnyuntill you find a working driver, no go11:57
lardmanAStorm: I started tracing the function calls to see if I could work out what was stopping things, but xmas got in the way and I've not got back to it yet11:57
KotCzarnydarn, those xmas!11:57
AStormI'd love to see success there11:57
KotCzarnyme too11:57
AStormwe could launch Quake2 them :P11:58
lardmanAStorm: likewise, but that's only a part of it, there's an ARM-side link library and then the OpenGL library itself which would need to be implemented (getting a bit ahead of myself here!)11:58
GeneralAntillesWe can already launch Quake 2.11:58
KotCzarnywithout optical trackpoint 3dgames are no fun11:58
AStormah yes, gimme a mouse driver11:59
AStormusb + evdev will suffice for now11:59
lardmanWhat I'd really like, is to hear definitively whether the PowerVR would be able to work. I'd like to know if the hold up is a licensing thing, or lack of man power, or a hardware limitation.11:59
AStormbonus points for BT12:00
AStormand Nokia not willing to pay12:00
kulvelardman: ask that on the mailing list and put Quim as CC. Ask a short direct question and hope that you get a short direct answer ;)12:00
AStormthe hardware is capable12:01
lardmankulve: I'll ask him at LinuxTag12:01
GeneralAntillesCan you really be sure of that AStorm?12:01
GeneralAntillesAnyway, the bug needs pimping: Vote, vote, vote!
KotCzarnytank-man: i have seen endgam312:01
KotCzarnytank-man: i was just loling at the pic12:01
lardmanAStorm: even the people wondering if it's not as easy as the ITs don't use the on-chip (OMAP) framebuffer, etc.?12:01
lardmanGeneralAntilles: you beat me to it12:02
lardmanI'd like to know one way or another12:02
AStormlardman: they do use the omapfb12:02
AStormchecked sysfs12:02
AStormthe driver is present and used12:02
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lardmanthis is beyond my expertise, too far into the hardware side. It may be that the name is misleading though...12:04
AStormThe chip has the PowerVR, but not an additional accel12:04
AStormso it won't be great at 3D anyway12:04
KotCzarnyastorm: free cycles12:04
AStormcell phone 3D would work though12:04
lardmanwell we know there is an external LCD driver chip which contains a framebuffer, how the data are transferred to that I don't know12:04
lardmanAStorm: the demos for the PowerVR MBX are pretty compelling, certainly not nvidia 8900 quality, but not too bad ;)12:05
AStormthe LCD framebuffer is automatic hardware12:05
GeneralAntillesQuake 3 wouldn't be out of the question.12:05
AStormsynced with TI framebuffer12:05
KotCzarnyautonomic? :)12:05
AStormso usual linux-omap works12:05
GeneralAntillesI'm really not that worried about the support, I'm mostly interested in seeing any kind of answer at all.12:05
kulveGeneralAntilles: voted12:06
glassthe powervr does pretty nice stuff on symbian with similar hw12:06
lardmanok, that's reasonable, in which case even less reason for it to not work12:06
AStormglass: same hw12:06
lardmanGeneralAntilles: hear hear12:06
AStormnot just similar12:06
X-Fadelardman: Did you see that 'driver' that initialized the chip already?12:06
lardmanX-Fade: not, what's that?12:06
glassAStorm: except for the lcd driver part12:06
GeneralAntillesNone of the Symbian hardware is driving a panel this big, though, AStorm.12:07
GeneralAntillesSo not ENTIRELY the same. ;)12:07
AStormglass: including :)12:07
glassyeah.. e90 is almost as big but not as big12:07
AStormthe LCD framebuffer is also external there12:07
AStormand also synced in hw12:07
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X-Fadelardman: Let me see if I can find it. A #maemo regular made it..12:08
AStormthey get double buffering for free12:08
lardmanX-Fade: cool :)12:08
X-FadeNow I only need to remember who it was :)12:09
pupniki'd like demo code that shows me how to get synched updates (pixel-doubled)12:09
lardmanpupnik: talk to ssvb?12:09
pupniki should.  yeah..12:09
lardmanX-Fade: how long ago was this?12:09
X-Fadelardman: A month ago orso?12:10
lardmanX-Fade: ok, I was away on holiday which might explain why I missed it12:10
X-FadeI think it was pH5 that created it..12:11
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X-FadeHe at least found some registers..12:12
lardmancool, will take a look see12:12
lardmanlooking at the dates on those patches, I wonder if this implies that things are being added....?12:13
lardmanor did they come from somewhere else?12:14
X-FadeHe reversed the blob, I think..12:14
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AStormI'd love to get video pins out of N81012:15
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AStormyou know, the chip supports quite high res12:15
GAN800VGA, you mean? :P12:16
AStormN800 had it, right?12:17
AStormso me adapter12:17
GAN800There's another controller in the for QVGA, too, no?12:17
AStormLCD controller12:17
GAN800They're the same hardware.12:17
AStormbut there's no port in N81012:18
AStormspace constraints and all12:18
GAN800There is on the N800?12:18
AStormlet me check12:18
qwerty12Quick question, in OS2008 is /etc/init.d/rcS executed upon boot?12:18
GAN800I'd like to see somebody hook up the TV out.12:19
GAN800What sort of 'port'?12:19
AStormGAN800: vga12:19
AStormit has one12:19
AStormfor a VGA dongle12:19
GAN800Er, where?12:19
AStormlook around12:20
GAN800There's a 3.5mm, a power, a usb and serial and another usb-thing.12:20
GAN800There's no vga port.12:20
AStormit's not USB12:21
AStormit's a port for VGA dongle12:21
X-FadeVideo-out is rumoured to be connected in the 3.5mm jack ;)12:22
GAN800You want to back that up?12:22
X-FadeJust like the N95..12:22
AStormGAN800: trying12:22
lardmanGood skills, a company has released a flac codec for the dsp:
GAN800X-Fade, make mine work. :P12:23
lardmanixonos to be exact12:23
GAN800Neat stuff.12:23
lardmanThey have some parts of an ogg codec, the imdct stuff which mine is missing12:24
lardmanso a collaboration looks good12:24
AStormnow there will be use for 32G cards12:24
X-Fadelardman: Heh, I have approved that project this morning ;)12:24
GAN800Why did Nokia ship with more DSP codec support?12:24
AStormdidn't, you mean?12:24
infobotGAN800 meant: Why didn't Nokia ship with more DSP codec support?12:24
AStormbecause they had time and money constraints12:24
X-FadeAnd liability..12:25
GAN800Seems like there'd be less effort involved if they have all the right tools.12:25
AStormwell. rewriting OGG to DSP would be fun12:25
lardmanX-Fade: same company?12:25
lardmanAStorm: much of it is already done, in garage12:25
pupnikty for that link lardman12:25
kulvenow, how do I add a support for flac/dsp in ogg-support..12:25
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lardmanX-Fade: troubles mixing email names and irc nicks, appologies for spelling your forename wrongly ;)12:26
pupniknever heard of Ixonos before12:26
AStormlardman: for some reason, it doesn't work in canola :P12:26
X-Fadelardman: No, this exact project. I was just amazed how quick they updated it.12:26
AStormthey have filed a bug12:26
lardmanAStorm: what doesn't?12:26
lardmanpupnik: they are a Symbian house, branching out12:26
AStormthey fixed the scanner, yet it still doesn't12:27
lardmanAStorm: it's in garage, I didn't say it was complete12:27
pupnikhave you looked at their source?12:27
X-Fadelardman: Well, I'm used to that. Don't worry about it..12:27
lardmanpupnik: not yet, they just sent me the email12:27
AStormpupnik: no12:27
lardmanAStorm: your (and everyone else's) help appreciated :)12:27
lardmanX-Fade: ah, the Garage project, sorry bit slow this morning12:28
AStormlardman: what needs to be done? (aside from major debugging)12:28
lardmanAStorm: the debugging is probably not too major, the main missing parts are the imdct code12:28
X-Fadelardman: Yeah.12:28
lardmanAStorm: I hope anyway12:28
AStormlardman: btw, I'll try to bring Gentoo to IT12:28
lardmanAStorm: If I can just use those it will mean far less work for me to do (yay!)12:29
AStormmad project, eh?12:29
kulve15M     dsp-flac-0.0.112:29
X-FadeBut it is really a good thing that people other than Nokia are creating these dsp tasks..12:29
lardmanthis bloody ogg project has dragged on for far to long12:29
AStormthe DSP docs are under NDA for stupidity reasons12:29
AStormI'd love to read them12:29
kulveAStorm: what DSP docs?12:30
lardmanAStorm: there is lots of publically available infomation, certianly enough to do everything but access the BT hw on the DSP side12:30
lardmanno, the asm stuff is freely available12:30
AStormbtw, is BT supported in linux-omap?12:30
AStormlardman: linky?12:30
kulveAStorm: only the n8x0 dsp audio API is closed12:30
lardmanAStorm: looking12:30
AStormstill not bad12:31
X-Fade"libFLAC is compiled with CFLAGS=-DFLAC__INTEGER_ONLY_LIBRARY and --disable-ogg"12:31
lardmanand even that would probably be hackable with a little work12:31
AStormthen we can just skip the audio api and do it on our own12:31
lardmanit's mainly on the ARM, with some processing done on the DSP12:31
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lardmanAStorm: you'd need to recompile the DSP kernel as you'd need to write the audio codec, which is probably not too bad, but we'd lose all the Nokia stuff12:32
AStormwhy would I?12:32
lardmanAStorm: you need a codec driver to get audio output12:32
AStormI can dl the data processed by dsp and send it the old-fashioned way12:32
AStormstill fast12:33
lardmanoh yes you can certainly do that12:33
lardmanthat's what my ogg task does atm (once it can correctly decode the stream that is ;) )12:33
AStormright now it's just tremor, right?12:33
lardmanwhat do you mean?12:34
lardmanah yes, just the vorbis decoder/tremor12:34
lardmanno video12:34
AStormI mean the working codec12:34
AStorm(sans DSP)12:34
lardmanon ARM, yes both vorbis and tremor work, tremor is faster12:34
AStormit's quite fast too, even w/o dsp code12:35
AStormeven vs vorbis on vfp?12:35
AStormwell, I could check myself :)12:36
* pupnik mutters 'aplay' - adlib / fmopl12:36
lardmantremor is still faster12:36
lardmantake a look on the mailing list, i did some comparisons12:36
AStormwhich list?12:36
GeneralAntillesHow tied into the PowerVR is the IVA stuff?12:37
AStormGeneralAntilles: very12:37
kulveGeneralAntilles: I think they are separate blocks of hw12:37
AStormat least v112:37
lardmanGeneralAntilles: hmm, I thought not at all, more tied into the DSP12:38
AStormkulve: not v112:38
lardmancertainly if you look at the latest dspgateway patches it;s been changed to be able to send tasks to the IVA too12:38
lardmanthere is just no IVA 'kernel', assuming that's what it needs12:38
AStormwhich is excellent12:38
lardmanthere is little information about what the IVA actually consists of, I would like to know more really12:39
AStormexactly, the firmware for opengl isn't loaded12:39
AStormblah, bat. says 1h12:39
lardmanAStorm: you are sure the two are linked together...?12:39
AStormdamnit :)12:39
AStormlardman: they are12:39
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AStormthrough the framebuffer12:39
lardmanwhat do you do, what is your bg (out of interest)?12:40
AStormlardman: I'm studying12:40
AStorminto embedded hw12:40
lardmando you happen to have the omap2420 manual?12:40
AStormcan't get a copy of it12:41
lardmanno, I've also tried12:41
AStormwe do have one for an older chip12:41
AStormbut NDA12:41
lardmannot so relevant I don't think, no PowerVR anyway afaicr12:41
GeneralAntillesI wish TI would get with the times and stop being a big stinker.12:41
AStormwhat I know is that IVA is very much like the newest nvidia chips12:42
AStorma stream processor12:42
kulveAStorm: iva1?12:42
lardmanThough the IVA is linked to the PowerVR via the framebuffer, I don't think the two run with the same code. My impression is that the IVA is a separate core into which one loads a "kernel" and tasks.12:42
AStormbecause it is a stream processor12:42
lardmanin which case it's like the DSP12:42
lardmanas the DSP is run in the same way12:42
AStormmhm, good to know12:43
AStormthus, if we know how to get code onto it...12:43
AStormfree cycles!12:43
GeneralAntillesSeems like it's capable of decent h.264 decoding, too.12:43
AStormbonus: it's supposed to run shaders quite fast12:43
lardmanwell the infrastructure is there in dspgateway, there is simply no information about what to run on it12:43
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AStormwe could try to make gallium work...12:44
lardmani.e. we don't even know what sort of processor it has, though i have read rumours of an ARM9 core12:44
AStormarm9? unlikely :P12:44
lardmancheap though12:44
AStormbut I don't know12:44
lardmanbut as I said, simply a rumour12:44
lardmanno substantiation and not from an authoratitive source, etc., so forget I said it12:45
AStormit's always best to check12:45
lardmanGeneralAntilles: yes, would help with video decoding certainly12:45
AStormnow, I have to get OMAP breadboard12:45
lardmanThe IVA is presumably used on the Sumbian devices, how much of the filesystem can one see on these phones? Would it be possible to look for IVA tasks & kernel, etc.?12:46
AStormprob. expensive12:46
GeneralAntillesUnderutilized hardware is a sad thing indeed.12:46
AStormlardman: hmmm...12:46
AStormI'll buy a phone and see12:46
lardmanGeneralAntilles: But if it all worked out of the box I'd be bored pretty soon ;)12:46
AStormbut that's later12:46
AStormlardman: heheehhe12:47
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AStormI suspect N900 will have 3D12:47
* lardman needs caffeine, bbiab12:47
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GeneralAntillesWe should at least be able to rob stuff from the Pandora guys for the N900 if Nokia doesn't give it to us.12:47
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GeneralAntillesAre there any other Linux devices out there on OMAP2?12:48
kulveGeneralAntilles: does the pandora have sw support for the 3d?12:48
AStormI don't think so.12:48
GeneralAntillesThey say it's gonna have OpenGL 2.012:48
AStormI mean, about other devices12:48
keesjI think the powerVR chip are used all over the place12:48
GeneralAntillesThey are.12:49
AStormARM isn't that widely used.12:49
kulveGeneralAntilles: doesn't they say that they have HW support for it.. Which is exactly what n810 has now..12:49
GeneralAntillesYou're kidding, right, AStorm?12:49
AStormkeesj: but under Symbian12:49
GeneralAntillesARM ships 3+ billion a year. :P12:49
AStormGeneralAntilles: but not under Linux!12:49
GeneralAntillesOK, fine. :P12:49
AStormget a washing mashine with ARM8 :P12:50
AStormsome routers have them too12:50
AStorm(but most have MIPS)12:50
kulvewhat's arm8?12:51
GeneralAntillesOne less than arm9!12:51
AStormkulve: armv812:51
AStormthe old12:51
kulveARMv7 is the newest12:51
AStormarmv7 is even more popular12:51
kulvethat's arm7, not armv712:51
AStormkulve: beat me to it12:51
AStormah, righ12:51
AStormconfused myself again12:52
AStormapi vs cpu :P12:52
AStormshould've picked diff names12:52
GeneralAntillesBut that'd be no fun.12:52
kulvethere are arm7 (armv4?), arm9 (armv5), arm11 (armv6) and cortex (armv7)12:52
GeneralAntillesCortex stuff is haaawt12:53
AStormhacking into your microwave would be fun12:53
girigiriHere comes my first IRC msg using pidgin on N810: Life is life! I have two arms - how to find out the version/modelnumber?12:53
GeneralAntillesCut them off, count the rings.12:53
AStormgirigiri: what?12:53
GeneralAntillesgirigiri, Try this, too. :D12:53
AStormyeah, it rocks12:53
AStormand wait until I build a newer v.12:53
AStorm(and hildonize it some more)12:54
AStormjust the scrolling, really12:54
GeneralAntillesI'd like to be able to turn off the statusbar applet.12:54
girigiriOk - I'll wait :)12:54
GeneralAntillesNo, get it now. :P12:55
AStormGeneralAntilles: tray? it's in the prefs12:55
GeneralAntillesIs it really?12:55
AStormyeah, get it12:55
AStormGeneralAntilles: sure12:55
GeneralAntillesI've been through them somewhere around a dozen times and never seen it. <_<12:55
AStormit's the damned tray icon12:55
AStormin Alerts tab12:56
AStormok, bbl12:56
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GAN800ah, right-o.12:56
girigiriI did it - counted the rings.  Result= 0.  Is this bad?12:58
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GeneralAntillesNo, but I'd find yourself a doctor real soon. :P12:58
girigiriOh, I didn't have to cut off the arms to count the rings.  Will adding rings from beercans upgrade my arms?13:00
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girigiriAdded USB keyb.  Am I still connected?13:07
KotCzarnyyou're already in a dream world13:07
KotCzarny(where all keyboards are having fun)13:07
girigiriOk COOL, this works betten than anticipated13:08
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KhertanHi !13:08
girigiriGot to go back to wrk ... Bye13:09
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lardmanand there was I hoping we'd have a working powervr driver by now ;)13:16
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GeneralAntillesWe do, but we all agreed not to share it with you. :P13:19
lardmanGeneralAntilles: you up early or didn't go to bed?13:21
GeneralAntillesMy sleep schedule is entirely screwed up this week.13:22
GeneralAntillesPowering through a bunch of projects for the end of the semester.13:22
lardmanah, fair enough13:22
GeneralAntillesI got about 2 hours. <_<13:22
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lardmannamely this part: "Developed loader for TI DOFF (dynamic COFF) used by OMAP2420 IVA."13:31
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GeneralAntillesToo bad Jaffa can't make LinuxTag.13:34
lardmanyeah, means you might have to hear me talk13:36
GeneralAntillesYou and lcuk need to put together a PowerVR riot.13:36
lardmanwell they are asking about the future of maemo....13:37
GeneralAntillesI wonder if milhouse just couldn't attend or what. :\13:37
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lardmanSo presumably Nokia have such a beast13:42
lardman(from the resume earlier)13:42
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GeneralAntillesIf only they'd be kind enough to bless us with it.13:49
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lardmanWe'd need a toolchain too13:50
lardmanand that would probably need to come from Ti as was the case with the DSP toolchain13:50
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crashanddielardman, lol at the resume13:53
crashanddielardman, references: "Consider grep and a kernel tree near you."13:53
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lardman looks like there's some related info, for the omap35xx13:54
X-FadeHehe, usb host mode power is fun.. Check what I found out on :)13:55
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qwerty12Reminds me of the time I connected a subwoofer to itself...13:55
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GeneralAntillesIs the only difference between the 34xx and the 35xx lot sizes?13:58
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lardmanstrange there's so much info available for it (, but not much for the 242013:59
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GeneralAntillesYeah, weird.14:01
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lcukare my ears burning?14:06
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lardmanalmost certainly14:06
lcukyou comin to linuxtag as well then?14:06
lcukexcellent :D14:07
lcukhopefully we shall get time to hammer something out14:07
lardmansomething out ... of the Nokians there?! ;)14:07
lcukor are you gonna speak and run14:07
lardmanI'll speak, but will be around for that day at least14:07
lardmanand will be in Berlin anyway, so can meet up whenever if something's arranged, etc.14:08
lcukim hoping to stay and take in as much as i can - theres just too much about this "linux" thing that i still dont know so i'll try and put use the time as well as possible14:08
X-Fadelardman: I'll try to setup a get together in Berlin.14:08
lardmanI'd be interested to stay, but not sure the gf will be too pleased with that :)14:09
GeneralAntillesInteresting stuff there.14:09
lardmanX-Fade: sounds good14:09
lcukquim said he will post on dev list when we get some travel arrangements14:09
GeneralAntillesRewriting the browser plugin to do that doesn't seem entirely unfeasible.14:09
lcuklardman, so on the pvr/iva front you havent found anything?   (i've concentrated on  getting 800*480YUV mode graphics as nice as possible and am running out of places to get more from14:11
lcukget more bandwidth from ^14:11
lcukyou have working  dsp code around somewhere don't you?14:11
lardmanlcuk: I've not had a chance to look at the kernel driver more, been away on holiday and been busy since i got back14:11
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lcukas we allo have14:11
lardmanyeah, I need to crack on and finish the tremor-on-dsp stuff really14:11
lcuksupposing that pvr is out of range (and hence the iva as well) i would like to try using the dsp as a blitter14:12
lardmanah, well that's fine. I'm also part way though creating a task to scale and colorspace convert video for ssvb14:12
lcukscaling? which part needs scaling? xv takes yuv at any scale and can display at fullscreen or windowed?14:13
lcukie given 640*480 it auto scales to fullscreen14:13
lardmanlcuk: when you blit from the dsp it goes straight to the framebuffer14:13
lardmanor do you mean the lcd controller will scale?14:14
kulvein the current xomap I think the xv does the scaling using the lcd controller14:14
lardmanI think the point was to scale to some format that the lcd controller can handle (talking about the 770 here, the n8x0 will do arbitrary sizes i know)14:15
lardmanyeah sorry, this was aimed mainly at the 77014:15
lcukif you allocate and map an xv window at 400*480 (or anything else) then render it there is no internmediate memory copies, the data at original resolution is sent over the bus to the lcd.  the lcd then scales it internally14:15
lcukahhh right.. makes sense now14:15
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lardmannow, I can't remember if I got DSP->framebuffer working or not....14:16
lardmanfor the N8x014:16
lardmanit certainly works on the 77014:16
lcuki just need some code so i can emulate Agnus (amiga blitter chip) ;)14:17
lcukactually, if you arent too busy  in the next couple of days i could do with a word about cpu scaling.14:18
lardmancpu freq or scaling images?14:19
lardman oh well perhaps I did get it working on the N8x014:19
lcukfreq, without going into detail: i optimised function and now it clocks itself back down and runs slower.  when i double the workload it kicks up to fullspeed and runs faster than when it was doing half the work.  any idea how to nice my process up (i tried nice and upping priority)14:20
RST38hlcuk: you are unlikely to be able to use DSP for Agnus simulation14:20
lcuki manage it if i set the ondemand thing to performance, but its root access and i dont wanna play with peoples global battery settings14:21
lardmanI don't know all that much about it I'm afraid, but you could change the governor temporarily to stop it clocking back14:21
lcukRST38h, i dont mean proper bitplane stuff - ive just got bytes i need putting from one place to another14:21
lcukyer, if i go altering their settings globally and then crash out for some reason it will remain in the higher mode which i dont want14:22
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lardmanyes, I can see that might be a problem14:22
lcuki'll have to make sure quim brings some diablo test machines with him14:22
lcukthere are meant to be changes14:23
lardmanthere are presumably ways to sort that out, but all would require changes (i.e to the governor to allow short term boosting or to change the operating method, etc.)14:23
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lcuki think the nearest/cleanest way would be small wrapper script which ups/downs the governor on start/shutdown.  even in the main program crashes the script should continue14:24
lcukbut i have code which looks really dreamy - fullscreen flicker free screolling and updating at 800*480, but as i say its only when the cpu is at full speed.14:25
lcukmplayer doesnt have this problem because its constantly reading from disk and using the dsp and stuff14:26
lcukactually - ^^^ that you posted dsp code up there - ill take a look, all along kotz has been saying kick the dsp in it keeps the cpu at full14:26
lcukmight kill 2 birds with one stone14:26
KotCzarnynot entirely true14:27
lardmanno, with the dsp running it goes to fiull speed and the arm is scaled back14:27
KotCzarnyon stock kernel it's 330/22014:27
lardmanhas someone decoupled them then?14:28
KotCzarnywith a patched kernel it can be 400/13314:28
lardmanah good14:28
lcukit might be enough though. especially if i can make the screen say ouch when i poke it with a stylus ;)14:28
KotCzarnylardman: it's a trivial patch14:28
KotCzarnylardman: replacing one array with another14:28
lcukpatching the kernel is not the thing a normal user should be expected to do - this might change once we get incrimental updates14:28
lcuk(hi kot btw)14:28
KotCzarny(hi hi)14:29
lardmanunfortunately the dsp load stats are pretty rubbish (in my experience anyway), it would be interesting to know how much overhead the dsp has at 133MHz14:29
KotCzarnylardman: plays mp3, that's for sure :)14:29
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lardmanwell that's good enough, I wonder if the kernel patch will be included for the Diablo14:30
lcukhave you got an air raid siren in your room?     ***AWOOOGA AWOOOGA* INTERNET DISCUSSION CALLING ***14:30
KotCzarnylardman: also as astorm found out, it could be nice to renice Xomap to 0 from -114:30
lardmanoh, I didn't see that, my history is very short14:30
KotCzarnylardman: i don't know, do they know/plan anything in this case?14:30
KotCzarnylcuk: ahm, not, i was just lurking14:31
KotCzarny(while slapping edea)14:31
lardmanit would be better for video playing and using a gstreamer dsp backend (or hacked dsp backend with mplayer for example)14:31
lardmanbut I don't know either14:31
KotCzarnylardman: yes, i know, that's why i hacked it in for me, and it works beautifully14:31
KotCzarnythough mplayer has issues14:32
KotCzarnyi hope ssvb resolves it some day..14:32
KotCzarnylardman: renicing xomap helps with sound stutter on matchbox activity14:33
lcuklardman, have you found that the ive is like the appendix on the 2420, there isnt much info available but it would be very useful for  3d gfx14:33
lardmanAh, ok, has someone added a bug for that?14:33
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KotCzarnyi don't know14:33
lardmanlcuk: not 3D, but for video accel so i understand14:33
lcukiva ^14:33
lcukgod im using vnc on a bad kb - i  meant 2d of course14:34
* lcuk slaps his forehead14:34
lardmanI posted a pdf link a bit earlier to the IVA2.2 info for the omap35xx14:34
lcukill read on scrollback later on - its painful rolling backwards from here14:35
lardmanthere's also a link on the Ti website about the PowerVR SGX14:35
lcukdamn, gotta dash back to work14:35
lcukcyas later14:35
lardmanFrom here
lardmanbye lcuk14:35
GeneralAntillesAs for the ARM11, said Gerard Andrews, TI's OMAP marketing manager, said, "Our benchmarks show that the 35xx can offer twice the processing power as an ARM11 at the same clock speed."14:38
GeneralAntillesI hope that pans out.14:38
lardmanWell it has a Cortex + 2x DSP so one would hope so... :)14:38
kulveGeneralAntilles: I think it does14:38
kulveGeneralAntilles: and I think there will be more MHz too14:38
GeneralAntillesA ~600MHz Cortex A8 is gonna be a force of nature.14:38
kulveGeneralAntilles: I have one at the office ;)14:39
lardmanWhat's the power consumption like?14:39
GeneralAntillesShould be the same when everything said and done.14:39
GeneralAntillesAt least according to the information I've seen.14:39
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to explain what "ball-pitch" is?14:40
GeneralAntillesThe webernet is failing me here.14:40
KotCzarnyit's like ball -- pin14:41
KotCzarnypitch is simply distance between them14:41
KotCzarnyso ball-pitch is pin density14:42
KotCzarny(more or less)14:42
kulveGeneralAntilles: you can buy an omap3 already :)14:43
GeneralAntillesI's got nuthing to puts it in, though.14:43
GeneralAntillesAh, right-o.14:43
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GeneralAntillesThat'd be N900 money. :D14:44
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X-FadeI think we would need to see a Nokia phone with omap3 first. And I don't think I have seen one yet?14:47
GeneralAntillesBefore we see the N900?14:47
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I think they sell more phones than tablets. So that would be logical?14:48
GeneralAntillesWhen was the first OMAP2 phone out?14:48
X-FadeN73 ?14:48
X-FadeN800 and N810 are basically a N95 without the 5MPix camera..14:49
|zeus|what about display?14:50
playya__and without a  gsm/umts stack14:50
GeneralAntilles"basically" ;)14:50
kulveX-Fade: and without the gsm stuff .. and yes14:50
X-FadeI don't know what the N96 uses?14:50
lardmanand without the video acceleration and 3D accel too... :)14:50
X-FadeIf that one uses omap3...14:51
X-Fadelardman: Well, it is there in hardware ;)14:51
lardmanah yes14:51
X-FadeI'm sure you could run symbian on the tablets ;)14:51
kulvebut if the cpu is the same, it doesn't mean the whole hw is the same.. There's wlan, bluetooth, power management, mmc/sd, etc..14:52
X-Fadekulve: Designing hardware is expensive. It makes sense to just adapt an existing design a bit..14:53
X-FadeHence the lcd problems..14:53
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kulveX-Fade: at least it might make sense ;)14:53
KotCzarnyand drivers problems..14:53
X-FadeJust slap on a bigger display didn't seem to work properly..14:53
GeneralAntillesI'd hope with Step 514:54
X-FadeBut at least the omap3 should be able to directly work with a bigger display..14:54
GeneralAntilleswe get a bit more resources.14:54
kulveX-Fade: it seems to push at least 1280x720 :)14:54
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: That would be at least 2 years at the current rate..14:54
lardmanGeneralAntilles: that is what we need for the 242014:54
lardmanGeneralAntilles: the TRM that is14:54
X-Fadekulve: I would guess the 1024 display would be more likely..14:54
X-Fade1024x600 orso?14:55
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kulveX-Fade: what about external displays?14:55
GeneralAntilles1024x768 is what the OMAP3430 pushes.14:55
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GeneralAntillesWith another 640x480 controller.14:55
Khertanhi again ...14:55
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X-Fadekulve: Well there is the video-out framebuffer?14:55
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kulvee.g. that zoommdk has DVI-D output14:56
lcukquick poll:  laptop for developing code in fulltime linux:   cheap normal type laptop, or eee14:56
X-Fadekulve: Yeah, the beagleboard has it too..14:57
lcuk(im going buying in a couple of hours)14:57
kulvelcuk: the eee's keyboard is *small*..14:57
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KotCzarnyyeah, old thinkpads have perfect kb14:57
GeneralAntillesNormal, lcuk.14:57
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lcukok, driver situation - not interested in 3d, but if i get something with intel chipset i should be ok ?14:58
X-Fadelcuk: Sure..14:58
lcuki dont wanna get money and then be stuck with windows. last lap i got i couldnt get all drivers properly14:58
KotCzarnybuy one with 30day money back guarantee14:59
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KotCzarnyor just ask seller if you can bring the lappy back in a day or two15:00
lcukill buy one with a full guarantee but i didnt like the idea of shelling out windows tax. i kinda like my linux now..15:00
GeneralAntillesDon't worry, the crapware subsidizes the hardware. :P15:00
johnxif you buy it in a real brick+mortar store you can bring a live cd to try15:00
lcukgood point john, thanks ill take ubuntu from here :)15:01
KotCzarnyif you're adventurous you can try 'ask the oem for windows refund'15:01
Cptn-N800Greetings people15:01
KotCzarnysomeone made a photo of denying m$ licence during first boot15:01
KotCzarnythen asked oem how much is windows copy worth15:01
KotCzarnythen asked for a refund15:02
lcukmy dad is buying it for me so im n ot gonna rock the boat15:02
sarower<lcuk: What ur father is going to buy?15:02
KhertanX-Fade> i ve uploaded a new version of the package HomeIP (0.0.5)15:02
lcuki told him i needed a cheap laptop to use for linuxtag (i would normally get my own stuff, but we have a holiday to save for next month)15:03
X-FadeKhertan: And? Did it work? :)15:03
KhertanX-Fade> i hope :)15:03
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sarowerLuck: Do u know how to use open gl in maemo15:04
KhertanX-Fade> dsc wasn't signed correctly as there was cache for the content :)15:04
GeneralAntilleslcuk, you need to make a harness for the N810 + Model M.15:04
saroweri am a maemo developer15:04
lcukSargun, yes, slowly15:04
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Khertansigned was ok ... md5 wasn't15:04
Khertanas i made md5 before sign ...15:05
Khertannow it should be ok15:05
X-FadeKhertan: Nope, it is broken..15:05
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X-FadeThe md5sum of your .dsc file in the .changes file doesn't match..15:05
Khertanbut i ven't test md5 as md5 cmd line isn't available on the device15:05
X-Fade 13f30065a71a8ac822e9f98235424899 244 user/other extras-devel homeip-0.0.5.dsc15:05
X-Fademd5sum homeip-0.0.5.dsc15:06
X-Fade05687acd6cf3a37127b1f1ab0ffacbc7  homeip-0.0.5.dsc15:06
Khertansorry to disturb you again x-fade ...15:06
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X-FadeDifferent :)15:06
Khertanit s seems :)15:06
KotCzarnyone little bit..15:06
KotCzarnyno one should notice!15:06
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X-Fadehehe someone tried to inject some evil code, I think :)15:06
Khertanlol ...15:07
KotCzarnyand got caught in the process15:07
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lcukback later again..15:10
KotCzarnyk k15:10
KotCzarnyi should go too15:10
KotCzarnyfew more days without sleep and i will die15:10
hrwis there stable way to get n8x0 connect to BT-PAN?15:13
hrwmaemo-pan package (which is another ugly out-of-any-repo package) makes my n810 reboot15:13
GeneralAntillesWorks fine for me15:14
GeneralAntillesDunno of anything else.15:14
hrwKotCzarny: o fsck15:14
KotCzarnyhrw: as they say, you don't know the day and the hour ;)15:15
Sargunwho highlighted me15:16
KotCzarnysargun: some tab abuser probably15:16
hrwKotCzarny: its ~half hour from me btw15:16
KotCzarnyhrw: lol, have you seen it?15:17
hrwKotCzarny: no15:17
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hrw~lart omweather author15:21
* infobot moos at omweather author15:21
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hrwwhy maemo pacakges are so weird...15:22
hrwsome remove user data without asking (on install), some require reboot after install, some rename own files right after install...15:22
keesjwhy do pleople interfer with computers15:22
hrwand where is l2ping ;(15:22
johnxbecause (in some cases) they're made by people who are doing packaging for the first time...15:23
X-FadeHehe, someone needs a chill pill on -developers.15:24
hrwjohnx: I can accept such ugly packages from random repos but it is on one15:24
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keesjpeople are forced to create pacakge15:24
derfhrw: Why do you think the answer is any different?15:24
* Jaffa yawns15:26
hrwderf: from random repo I do not expect any quality as it can be top developer or newbie. but from repost hosted with domain I expected any QA checks15:26
keesjhrw , yes it would be great.15:27
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keesjI mean , I would even require the source of the package to be avaiable15:27
keesjhrw: but there is work in progress :P15:28
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X-FadeWe are working on that.15:28
keesjI heard15:28
derfPerhaps your expectations are unreasonable, given that maemo has no defined packaging policy that I've ever seen.15:28
hrwkeesj: I would rather require source and forbid uploading of packages15:28
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X-Fadehrw: That is the plan ;)15:28
mbufsimilar to dpkg-buildpackage, is there any dpkg- that can only build just the executable? i prefer to simply build the application, move to target device and test it15:28
keesjhrw: this has been disscueed many times on the mailing list and is every time a hot item15:28
hrwderf: and given that maemo is very young project... is has only 3-4 years15:28
keesjI keep thinking of if in differetn way's15:29
keesjmy last idea is that "users" should not have to create packages15:29
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keesjperhaps not even allowed to write anything else then python :P15:29
* hrw wants sources for maemo...15:30
keesjJaffa:  :P and you only pc base software15:30
wndmbuf, you could run dpkg-buildpackage once and then just run make && scp -- if that's what you wanted to do15:31
mbufwnd, ahh, ok15:31
lirakis_work.. i was poking around in utilites.. and saw a handwriting training thing on my n810... does anyone know of some "notes" software that does hand writing recognition?15:32
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keesjhrw: you are working on poky right?15:32
GeneralAntilleslirakis_work, it's a global input method.15:33
GeneralAntillesSwitch it in Text Input15:33
lirakis_workGeneralAntilles: .. hmmm...15:33
lirakis_workokay.. i check it out15:33
GeneralAntillesThere's no fullscreen handwriting software (ala Newton), though.15:33
wndmy advice is just to forget hwr-im ;-)15:34
GeneralAntillesEspecially if you have Newton background.15:34
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hrwkeesj: yes15:40
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hrw~curse maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices15:46
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices !15:46
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mbufhow to get the sources of maemopad within scratchbox using dpkg?15:46
johnxapt-get source maemopad15:47
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lirakis_workim not sure what happened .. but .. the little "icon" on my home screen.. with the 3 people .. is permanantly highlighted.. and i cant open that menu15:50
johnxbut other apps work ok?15:51
lirakis_workno problem with other stuff15:51
lirakis_workgonna reboot see what that does15:51
johnxthat should work, or maybe go to the control panel -> panel and temporarily switch web and communications15:52
lirakis_workyeah its fine after reboot15:54
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janianyone have any ideas how to locate a reference to GtkComboBoxEntry widget which is inside HildonFindToolBar ?15:56
mbufjohnx, there is not apt-source in scratchbox chinook_x86; do i need to install anything?15:56
johnx<johnx> apt-get source maemopad15:56
mbufjohnx, urgh, sorry15:58
* mbuf needs a break15:58
johnxno problem :)15:58
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johnxthere are lots of other good stuff in apt-get and apt-cache for dealing with source15:59
johnxcheck out apt-get build-dep too15:59
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hrwand 'apt-cache showsrc'16:00
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hrwmaemo-pan lack 'do bt pan with THIS bt device' - will report16:06
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GeneralAntillesIt uses the phone selected in connection manager.16:07
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Veggenbut one of my gripes about maemo stuff, is that far too often, there's no source repository, and no easy way to find the source of the port.16:08
hrwGeneralAntilles: I have phone and pc in list. pc supply pan16:09
hrwphone has only dun16:09
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GeneralAntillesHmmm . . . dunno if you can rectify that through GUI.16:09
GeneralAntillesConsole, maybe.16:09
GeneralAntillesJust tried it once with a friend's WinMob phone.16:10
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||cwhrw: WM6 phones only have PAN16:10
aquatixsymbian does pan too iirc16:10
hrw||cw: my DESKTOP machine do PAN16:11
||cwdesktops can usually do anything16:11
aquatixwith the right OS ;)16:11
hrw||cw: I do not care about connecting maemo tablets to phones for network. my phone has gprs only16:11
GeneralAntillesSo, you only want to use the PC with PAN?16:12
GeneralAntillesThen just choose the PC under "Phone"?16:12
||cwso does my wm6 phone, but to get internet via it on the tablet I have to use PAN16:12
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hrwGeneralAntilles: settings -> control panel -> bluetooth -> devices lists my phone and my desktop. it should be enough16:12
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hrwGeneralAntilles: I do not plan to make my desktop fake 'phone' bt class just to get pan working16:13
hrwespecially when it is to test bt connection speed16:13
GeneralAntillesDoes it not show up in the Phone list?16:13
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hrwGeneralAntilles: control panel -> phone? it does not16:14
hrwbb in 15m16:14
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HckD3vhi, i wanted to ask a question; i want to use a USB DAC (Audio) with the Nokia Tablet. I belive the OS will not support this from default, i have pre-built usb-audio kernel modules for maemo on the nokia tablet. How can i go about making this work?16:54
GeneralAntillesHckD3v, there's a thread on internettablettalk that covers it16:55
GeneralAntillesI haven't paid much attention to it recently, so I'm not sure exactly what in there, but it's on the subject.16:55
HckD3vits vauge16:56
HckD3vi need to recompile the kernel and make it into an image i presume16:56
HckD3vdo i use the SDK to do this?16:56
lardmanif you have the right modules compiled against the correct kernel version then all you probably need to do is install them and then modprobe the right one16:57
HckD3vand could the kernel modules be pluged-in without a re-flash?16:57
HckD3vis there a guide or foru tread about this?16:57
HckD3vi could read up on16:57
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lardmanwhere's the ITT thread?16:58
Navistick the modules in /lib/modules/ and insmod them16:58
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HckD3vis there a possiblity of fining that thread @general16:59
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GeneralAntillesThat, I believe.17:12
HckD3vyea i read that allready, this is why i want to pull this off17:14
HckD3vis the ALSA sorted?17:15
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pupnikit is sorted fifo17:24
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solarionFirst In First Out17:27
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lardmanbut perhaps was supposed to be afaik, my fingers often type a completely different word if I'm not concentrating17:28
HckD3vi mean if i use the copiled modules from fanoush would the sound be direct from the apps and no re-routed from the internal sound device17:29
HckD3vthe goal is to use the usb dac to ecive purest sound quality17:29
lardmanthe built in apps use the dsp, so no, you would probably have troubles there17:29
lardmanfrom mplayer you ought to be able to use ALSA and in the conf file tell ALSA what to use, etc.17:30
lardmanyou could probably change the gstreamer bindings though so everything would go via your usb output17:30
HckD3vwould DSP route the sound throgth the internal sound device?17:30
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HckD3vbut what if i want to use the external speaker or heaphone jack17:31
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lardmanat the same time?17:31
HckD3vthink of it as a second sound card17:31
lardmangstreamer allows you to split the stream, presumably it's also possible to do somehow with ALSA. I'm no expert though17:31
HckD3vi could have a small script to switch17:31
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HckD3vALSA is not really needed, only if it helps me to pull it off the way i want it17:32
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lardmanmy thought was that you switch between a dspsink and an alsasink17:33
lirakis_workdoes anyone in the U.S. have a at&t data only plan that they can give some info on ..? do they have hsdpa available generally?  how are the speeds etc.17:33
* RST38h misses /dev/dsp17:33
lirakis_workive got a blackberry now.. (which doesnt play nice for tethering)17:33
lirakis_work.. or a tmobile data plan .. same questions17:34
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HckD3vits still all a bit vauge17:36
HckD3vim trying to readup on the itt forums17:36
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lardmanWell that allows standard ALSA output to be done via the dsp plugins, not quite what you want17:37
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lardmanyou should probably obtain the alsasink plugin from somewhere (it may even be on the device), get the usb output thingy working using mplayer (over alsa) to test, then look at how to alter the gstreamer conf files to switch between alsa- and dspsinks17:39
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HckD3vahh ive read on IIT forum, the version of ALSA on the OS2008 is'nt complete17:45
lardmanIt certainly used to work for a2dp so I presume it ought to work for you unless you have something more specific?17:45
kulvethe alsa dsp plugin seems to work on n8x0. I haven't tested it heavily though..17:46
lardmanHckD3v: have you tried insmod'ing the modules for your usb device?17:46
HckD3vi dont have the device at the moment with me17:49
HckD3vand from what i can read i dont think that works17:49
HckD3vill link you wait..17:49
HckD3vthis uses ALSA from what i can tell17:50
HckD3vfor BT headset17:50
lardmanyep, it works17:50
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lardmanso is that the same device?17:51
HckD3vwhat device17:52
HckD3vusb dacs are all pretty much the same17:52
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lardmanI'd rmmod the usb mass storage driver, that should stop the first problem in the first post17:53
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HckD3vonce all these issues are resolved im going to write a proper how-to17:54
HckD3vnot just sound devices but other usb devices17:54
HckD3vbut i want sound to work properly first :D17:54
lardmanok, in the first thread, first post which has the output:17:56
lcddusb dacs work? awesome17:56
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lardman[383428.679687] usb 1-1: device v08bb p2702 is not supported17:56
HckD3vyea no usb-audio kernel drivers17:56
lardmanso.... find a driver that does support it, compile it, install it and away you go17:56
HckD3vwhich i have17:56
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HckD3vso no flaffing about with ALSA?17:57
HckD3vwoot ^_^17:57
lardmanok, so install them, then see if they get automatically insmod'ed (probably not), then try using insmod to insert them and see what dmesg says17:57
lardmanyou probably need ALSA so that you can direct the audio output to the particular device that the kernel drivers create for your usb device17:58
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HckD3vnice, ill give it a shot17:59
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HckD3vbut means i need a re-complied version of alsa17:59
HckD3vand a config17:59
lardmanyou need a config, but not a recompile17:59
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lardmanyour config should just tell ALSA which device to output to17:59
lardmanthat's my impression anyway17:59
HckD3vk, shouldnt be too hard18:00
HckD3valso you guys know if the 8gb SDHC limitation is real. i heard some people were using 16gb cards18:00
HckD3vwould they work fine?18:00
lardmanno idea, sorry18:00
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lardmando these modules look familiar, scroll down?:
HckD3vi have the same modules compiled for maemo18:04
lardmanok, so that gives you the order in which to insmod them18:04
HckD3vnice find18:04
lardmanif you do it in a different order the module will fail to be inserted due to missing symbols from one of the earlier ones18:04
HckD3vyea i know18:05
HckD3vsaved me a headache :p18:05
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lardmansorting out the ALSA setup I don't know about, but there seem to be examples about, or find something that writes directly to /dev/dsp and use that (I think aplay does that)18:05
lardmanthen you can start hacking on the gstreamer redirection bit18:06
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HckD3vyea would be great if you can find18:06
lardmanI'll leave that bit to you18:07
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lardmanhmm DNS seems to have lapsed18:09
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lardmangood luck & let us know how you get on18:11
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HckD3vyea thanks18:11
HckD3vi think i struck gold18:11
HckD3vsame thing with usbdac but with portable laptop 'eepc' runing debian based linux18:12
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WorkingOnWiseI dl'ed all 2.9GB of maps for north America onto my tablet (N800) and I now have decided to reflash the device, because I have so much execc junk on it I just want to start fresh. I do not however want to take another 12 hours to dl the same maps I already have. Where are the located on my file system so I can back them up onto my laptop before I reflash?19:01
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pierluxWorkingOnWise, I don'T have my N810 with me but it is a folder caller Maps ;)19:04
WorkingOnWisecapitol "M"?19:05
kulveWorkingOnWise: /media/mmc2/maps I think. Might be mmc1 too19:06
b0unc3WorkingOnWise: you can get the right path in the maemo mapper mpas settings....19:06
liquid64mine defaults to MyDocs/.documents/Maps19:06
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liquid64i have that symlinked to my mmc2 though ;)19:07
baptHi all19:07
baptis there a way to user flasher from freebsd ?19:07
baptor at least is it plan?19:07
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Mouseyis there a way to get maemo mapper working without having to open some other app which turns on the GPS?? oh and is there ANY way to get the GPS to aquire faster?19:15
mwaldronmameo mapper had an option to turn on the gps last i looked, but that was a few weeks ago before i wiped my 810 and started over19:16
GeneralAntillesSelect bluetooth, Mousey.19:16
mwaldronas for aquire speed... yeah it just sucks. we deal with it19:16
GeneralAntillesNo MAC19:16
MouseyGeneralAntilles: huh? instead of /dev/pgps?19:17
GeneralAntillesSelect Bluetooth, blank MAC.19:17
Mouseythat's odd19:17
MouseyGeneralAntilles: you're impossibly informative.. could you be a bot?19:18
mwaldronhe's the general19:18
MouseyIT'S A TRAP!!19:18
GeneralAntillesI pay attention.19:18
Mouseywait, that's admiral19:18
* GeneralAntilles now tries to figure out why the hell his keychains are all missing.19:18
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liquid64thats admiral ackbar19:18
* Mousey needs more c0ff3319:18
mwaldronthe general's security access has been revoked and his keychains confiscated19:19
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mwaldron...and escorted from the building19:20
* Mousey huggles his unlimited Sprint DUN19:22
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Mouseyi wish there was a way to extend the applet bar19:25
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HckD3vyup, but not sure how19:26
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WorkingOnWiseis the lcd from an N810 a drop in replacement for the lcd in an N800?19:29
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TPCWorkingOnWise, no19:32
TPCWorkingOnWise, or maybe19:32
TPCWorkingOnWise, its not the same screen, but its probably the same size19:32
TPCthe N810 one is transreflective, so it works better in sunlight19:33
WorkingOnWisethats the only thin the n810 has to offer me...19:33
WorkingOnWiseso the perfect 800 would have the 810's lcd :)19:33
WorkingOnWiseI'll have to watch ebay for dead 810's with intact screens19:34
TPCI would love a 810 if it had SD slots, but minisd = not being able to use the dozen or so SD cards I have19:35
WorkingOnWisemy wife might not like me if I bought an 810 and switched displays19:35
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WorkingOnWisethey pulled the sd slots all together? and only has a single minisd now?19:35
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TPCthe internal one they replaced with a 1GB permanent memory (or maybe it was 2GB)  that shows up as a card in the machine19:36
TPCand the external one is a minisd19:36
WorkingOnWisewow.....makes the built in gps look less and less impressive. I have 2.9GB of maps on my 80019:37
TPCsupposedly to make room for the GPS and the keyboard19:37
WorkingOnWiseprobly true....19:37
MouseyThe new OS does not support A2DP profile. My guess is that the Freepulse only supports the A2DP Profile (I have no idea)? There is a thread where some people have actually gotten this to work, but as previously stated, it is a CPU hog. Hopefully with the next OS update, they include A2DP support.19:37
TPCprobably not, a few cellphone vendors agreed a while back to make a transition to minisd on all their phones19:37
TPCthis is probably because of that19:38
MouseyBUT IT'S NOT A PHONE!!19:38
TPCI have lots of maps as well on my internal SD19:38
* Mousey waves fist in angst re miniSD19:38
HckD3vyea A2Dp works but 50% cpu19:38
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Mouseythat sucks19:39
WorkingOnWiseI got a2dp working but the quality stinks19:39
HckD3vif internal mem is a card  could replace, what you think19:39
WorkingOnWisei'd take the cpu usae if it sounded good...19:39
HckD3vill have to look at gutted 810 pics19:39
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WorkingOnWisewhere are some good pics of gutted N800? I have a few hacks I want to do19:42
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TPCWorkingOnWise, toughtfix blog might have some19:44
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WorkingOnWisethanks TCP19:45
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WorkingOnWiseI gotta hear this from real time comments. the Palm OS Garnet runs on the N800? Usefully?19:49
HckD3vi have allot of ideas19:49
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HckD3vi dont see the need for that19:49
WorkingOnWisea good PIM.. Nokia thinks we are all nothing more that a single phone number and an email address19:50
WorkingOnWiseoh, and a thinmbnail pic19:51
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HckD3vbtw some devs should work on some hardcore sip/voip intergration with the phone19:51
HckD3vbtw anyone got good high-res gutted n810 n800 pics?19:51
WorkingOnWisethat would save me the trouble of learning enough about programing to write a good pim for them!19:51
HckD3vfuck that, opensource ftw19:53
HckD3vhopefully my usb dac/amp setup will work with canola and flac files and make a uber pmp19:53
HckD3vim gonna work on usb networking and other gizmos via usb, porting drivers etc19:54
WorkingOnWiseso far, I have not seen anything for OS2008 that is worthy of my palm or windows mobile devices for PIM functionality19:54
HckD3vwindows mobile rules for that19:54
HckD3vactivesync with calendar19:54
HckD3vwe could port thunderbird but that has too many overheads19:54
WorkingOnWiseit does, and I wish anyone else would kick their butts at that!19:54
HckD3vi love the today plugins on wm19:55
WorkingOnWiseyeah, and google apps/cal/mail is great but only if u can be online19:55
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HckD3vwhich is'nt a problem for me since i use an unlimited 3g data plan19:55
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WorkingOnWiseme too. I think that would be easy to do. the PIM part takes smarter ppl than me or much more time if I gotta do it  :)19:56
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HckD3vby the time it works19:56
HckD3vi doubt it will be of very much use19:56
WorkingOnWiseI live on Lake Superior. Really spotty cell coverage here....19:56
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lirakis_workare there any maemo apps that can do strait recording from the webcam?20:08
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unixSnobAny video chat users here?20:45
unixSnobI need to know whether I'll be able to use the n800 for a video job interview.. I have no idea what software the client will ask me to use20:45
GeneralAntillesThen we can't answer you.20:46
unixSnobSo I just want to be prepared w/ something mainstream.. something that's compatible with what desktop users use20:46
GeneralAntillesIt seems likely that they'd choose to use Skype20:46
GeneralAntillesIn which case, no.20:46
GeneralAntillesBut there are no guarantees.20:47
GeneralAntillesGizmo, SIP or MSN are "yes"20:47
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unixSnobRight.. I didn't figure there would be a guarantee.. maybe I'll see about getting gizmo going w/ video chat20:47
unixSnobI'm way out in the sticks.. and I'll be damned if I have to drag a desktop computer into a hotspot area just so the client can see who they're interviewing.. but I at least want to accommodate some practical options w/ the NIT20:49
GeneralAntillesGizmo would be my main recommendation.20:49
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christefanoI didn't know that Gizmo for Maemo did video.20:51
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GeneralAntillesHas for a while.20:51
christefanothat's great. I am really glad to know that20:51
GeneralAntillesNo OS X support until they get around to releasing the 4.0 client for it, though.20:52
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GeneralAntillesShould be sometime in the next few months.20:53
unixSnobI'm a little confused on the pricing for gizmoproject.. I've been using it to receive inbound calls since back when they were called sipphone.. but the gizmo project website quotes prices for inbound and outbound calls20:55
unixSnobI haven't had to pay anything for inbound calls20:55
GeneralAntilles~$35/mo for a line-in20:55
GeneralAntillesLandline number that will dial your Gizmo account.20:56
GeneralAntilles$0.03 per minute for call-out (or something close).20:56
GeneralAntillesReceiving calls on your Gizmo number is free, though.20:56
unixSnobah, that makes sense.. grandcentral gets around that.. that's why i haven't had to pay anything20:56
Naviit went up a cent?20:57
GeneralAntillesOr I could be wrong. :P20:57
GeneralAntillesSo I pay about $55 a year for Gizmo20:57
GeneralAntilles$35 for line-in and $20 for minutes.20:57
NaviIt's 35 a year?20:58
GeneralAntillesFor a landline number people can call.20:59
GeneralAntillesThat may or may not be useful for you.20:59
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NaviYeah, I thought it was per month20:59
Naviwhich irked me20:59
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NaviFor the US, its .019 cents per minutes20:59
infobotNavi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minuts21:00
infobotNavi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minute21:00
unixSnoby not get a grandcentral acct, GA?21:00
GeneralAntillesI have one.21:00
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unixSnobthen you shouldn't have to pay gizmoproject anything to receive calls21:01
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unixSnob(since all the calls appear to originate from the net)21:01
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GeneralAntillesMeh, sometimes I like to have certain people call Gizmo directly.21:01
GeneralAntillesNot too worried about $35 a year.21:01
zeusnDoes any irc client exists for n810?21:02
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unixSnobSo i'm in Gizmo5, and when I pop out the camera, it doesn't detect it, and show an image -- like the "internet call" software did in OS200721:05
unixSnobIs gizmo5 the right app for gizmoproject video chat?21:06
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keesjI had some troubles with the last gizmo update (a week agao)21:14
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keesjthe video from the n810 to the n800 was broken (green) and 4 times two small21:15
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unixSnobkeesj, how do you get gizmo5 to even start showing video?21:18
unixSnobDoes a connection have to be made first?21:18
keesjI think you need a connection21:19
keesjdo you want to try with me?21:19
unixSnobsure.. but it won't be pretty.. I'm out in the sticks.. on a 1xRTT connection21:19
keesjtry freakingtux (my shadow accout)21:21
keesjbut I will not be pretty either21:21
unixSnobi'd just like to see if I can connect and get video21:22
keesjyes sure21:22
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unixSnobi don't recall how to switch to private chat in IRC (it's been 10 years since I used IRC proficiently)21:23
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keesj /msg nickname bla but you already have my accout21:23
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mgedminunixSnob: /query nickname; but note that you must be authenticated with nickserv in order to have a private chat on freenode21:28
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unixSnobthanks.. i have it working now21:31
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* Mousey goes there right away!!21:32
* Mousey switches to a windows box, for the full experience!21:33
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Mouseyyou just missed him21:34
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elbas far as .tk goes21:35
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lcukwhy does it always pour?21:50
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Cptnodegardgod is pissing21:50
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lcukthen he must be desperate, things just cascade21:51
CptnodegardSprinklePiss (tm)21:51
Cptnodegardby God (r)21:52
lcukincidentally, as a FYI to everyone with n810s - you yknow how you rest your chin in your hand with elbow on the desk..21:52
Cptnodegardytou slipped and smashed your n810?21:53
lcukthe 810 screen supports it..   my missus just nearly put her elbow through it21:53
lcukthankfully, but it would have been another part of the cascade21:53
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Cptnodegardthats too close21:55
CptnodegardI'd kill myself if my n800 broke21:56
Cptnodegardor, i would mean to kill myself, but due to the lack of a todo list i would forget it and live on in misery instead21:56
Cptnodegardthen i would forget to eat, sleep and go to the toilet so i'd die from starvation, tired as hell in my own droppings21:57
elbyou must have a third-party todo application21:57
mgedminI wonder what's the pressure value for the elbow-press event21:57
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lcukshame my program wasnt running,but i would imagine somewhere between OUCH and ONE AT A TIME PLEASE21:58
Cptnodegardgpoe todo ftw21:58
Cptnodegard[/on topic]21:58
lcukdo you think they used the todo when writing the todo?21:59
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Cptnodegardchicken and the egg... to make a todo list, you need a todo list to remember what to...do21:59
skiburHas anybody tried running zipslack using DosBox?21:59
lcuki suppose you could bootstrap it with notepad or something22:00
lcukanyway, ive got wallowing in self puty to do, back later22:00
lcukpity even22:00
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Cptnodegardwhy? your it survived22:00
lcuk|mehbut i was meant to get an eee tonight22:01
lcuk|mehand my mouse is dead22:01
Cptnodegardwhy no eee?22:01
Cptnodegardfeel your pain22:01
Cptnodegardgot the internet bill for 3 months today22:01
lcuk|meheven though no outpayment required until return from linuxtag22:01
lcuk|mehwe have other things to pay for22:01
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lcuk|meh(my missus used the shoe analogy: you would freak if i went out and spent £250 on shoes..)22:02
Cptnodegardshows dont have wifi22:02
lcuk|mehfor £250 they aught to22:02
Cptnodegardand you wouldnt step on your eee22:02
Cptnodegardwhat do you need an eee for anyways?22:03
lcuk|mehno, im gonna spend a couple of days/weeks looking for a wifi laptop for a loan and stick ubuntu on it22:03
lcuk|mehi cant do full dev on my 810 (yet) and im goin to linuxtag - time alone in a hotel room is nice as long as ive got an ide to develop on22:04
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lcuk|mehill end up getting one anyway if i cant solve this, but the money could be better spent elsewhere22:05
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mgedminI wonder about the eee sometimes22:05
mgedminyou could probably get used to the small keyboard & screen22:06
lcuk|mehi might just do it on the cheap and get a magnifying glass for my 81022:06
Cptnodegardsame resolution so i dont need a bigger screen22:07
lcuk|mehif i could get the required toolchain on the 810 simply enough it would work22:07
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MouseyTODO LIST!!22:08
Mouseytotally forgot22:08
* Mousey installs22:08
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keesjlcuk|meh: indeed, I now have real tools installed on the tablet and I really can develop while on the target22:08
lcuk|mehkeesj, i have heard its available22:08
keesjI am talking about a compiler and such22:09
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mgedmindespite my initial preconceptions, turns out I do like the n810's built-in keyboard22:09
keesj(I use mamona but I guess poky is just as good :P )22:09
Mouseydude, the n810's keyboard is the only reason i got it22:09
lcuk|mehso, can you (for instance) build sdl apps? or x apps?  are the dev versions of the libraries available22:09
unixSnobwe just tested gizmo5 video chat from the USA (1xRTT connection) to Netherlands.. it was completely unusuable.. not even the audio worked well enough.  I'm tempted to blame the 1xRTT though22:09
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lcuk|mehmgedmin, the 810 keyboard is great OTG, but i much prefer my apple wireless kb22:10
Mouseythe lack of hw keyboard on the 800 is the ONLY reason i didn't get one22:10
lcuk|mehsame here22:10
Mouseyi'll get an 800 now anyway for USB storage for my n810 tho. ;)22:10
mgedminlcuk|meh: I have both, and I prefer the built-in one22:10
lcuk|meh800 is well within acceptable price :)22:11
mgedminsliding the top is faster than getting the apple keyboard from a desk drawer ;)22:11
Mouseyn810 <-usb-> n800+2x32GBSDHCSD22:11
MangoFusion_i just use the n800's onscreen keyboard22:11
Mouseyno where near as fast22:11
mgedminbut still pretty good22:11
Mouseywhat you get in keyboard, you lose in screen real estate22:11
mgedminnah, quite useful for editing text in vim22:11
lcuk|mehdepends what you are typing, you can hack up a completely custom keyboard and do 99% of your normal typing direct22:12
Mouseynot that i'm tryna poopoo on people's <3 for the screenkeyboard, i'm just so happy i have a hw one instead =)22:12
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lcuk|mehi would add a "lol" key22:12
Mouseyi would add a fucking | key22:12
Mouseyexcuse my french22:12
lcuk|mehi would rather have a tab key on 810 real kb than a "fucking |" key ;)22:13
keesjyes and { and }!22:13
Mouseyif i just had the brains to figure out how to remap the damn pound and yen keys which i'd NEVER ever use22:13
keesjI can not even write hello world in c on my tablet!22:13
Mouseyoh, and euro key22:13
lcuk|mehkeesj, case of having the tools but no way to use them22:14
Mouseywhat in the WORLD was nokia thinking i need all those frickin currency keys?22:14
keesjunless I do some #define BEGIN {22:14
Mouseywhen {} and | would be so nice22:14
Mouseyor [] even22:14
Mouseyif [22:14
keesjI tried to add them to the menu options of the xterminal this morning but it did not work22:14
MouseyOH, and i tried to make a pipe shortcut in the xterm22:15
keesjI need a 1337 keyboard layout22:15
lcuk|mehthe currency keys are more frustrating because you cannot tell the clock you are in a different time zone22:15
mgedminkeesj: digraphs!!! :-)22:15
MouseypH5: you ROCK22:15
pH5nah. google does22:15
mgedminxterm's shortcuts are l337 h4ckery22:16
mgedminyou have to know X11 keysym names22:16
lcuk|mehoh, im writing an alarm replacement by the way - i hate waking up in the morning and having to search for the tinyest of little stylus oriented buttons when i just wanna whack snooze22:16
MouseySO AWESOME!!!!!!22:16
Mouseyi need more muscletone in my googlefingers22:16
lcuk|mehand it should/will also be configurable to only go off on weekdays.22:16
mgedminlcuk|meh: is the alarm reliable for you?22:17
lcuk|mehyes, but it has annoying quirks22:17
pH5lcuk|meh: that would be most welcome. setting the alarm is a bit ugly right now.22:17
mgedminwhen I tried using alarms, I noticed that they just stopped working after a week or so22:17
mgedminor going off hours later than they should22:17
lcuk|mehhave you noticed it you switch it from weekly to daily it wont go off until it thought it was due based on the weekly schedule?22:18
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mgedminno, I never had it on weekly22:18
mgedminI wanted daily alarms, but couldn't get them22:18
lcuk|mehi switch it to weekly as a hack so i dont have to delete and reenter after the weekend22:19
mgedminand on a day when my n800 missed the alarm, it showed it only when I manually went online22:19
mgedminthere's a bug on somewhere, but it never went anywhere22:19
mgedminthe alarm app apparently has some kind of user-recognition and hides the bug from everybody else, so it's just me who can reproduce it ;)22:19
lcuk|mehmgedmin, there is specific code: if(camera.recognise("mgedmin")){ alarm.randomize() }22:20
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KevinVermahello folks i am using n810 from India, what GPS limitations i am likely to face on n810 ?22:36
* KevinVerma a gps newbie22:36
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mgedminGPS limitations?22:40
mgedminas in accuracy, lack of maps, or what?22:40
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KevinVermamgedmin, yeah i think lack of maps22:41
KevinVermawill maemo--mapper will be useful ?22:41
mgedmintry MaemoMapper, it can use various web sources like openstreetmap, google maps, ms virtual earth22:42
KevinVermamgedmin, thanks this assures that perhaps  i am looking in right direction22:43
KevinVermai'll feedback tomorrow22:43
KevinVermaalso can some tell me if window-switch and back key on panel should have a led , that should lit in dark ?22:44
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KevinVerman810 is hard to  use for widow switching and back key functions in dark without those22:45
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mgedminmine doesn't have a led22:46
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mgedminI wondered about too22:47
mgedminbut haven't missed it too much22:47
KevinVermamaybe there was none in design specs at all22:47
KevinVermabtw i also twitted my n810 first impressions today -
KevinVermai  hope to blog in details later, i hope i have good judgements of n810 design, or will like to know more22:50
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KevinVermais someone else facing gmail-imap server port problem with modest ?22:58
KevinVermaalso for lastfm on canola ? in-correct login22:59
KevinVermasame for valgume22:59
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KevinVermalooks modest is failing to connect to gmail imap sever, but maemo mail app works23:04
KevinVermadunno if some dbus quirk, let me reboot23:06
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Cptnodegardclaws mail is the master of epic imap failing23:06
Cptnodegardand when it cant connect, it just sits there saying "connecting"23:07
Cptnodegardso you have to kill the thing23:07
Cptnodegardwouldnt kill them to make a cancel button23:07
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lcuk|mehqt will be good, my boss has heard of it ;)23:13
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mgedminI hope they'll make the themes look the same23:14
lcukkeesj, was there something you wanted to talk about last night23:14
djcbnote, modest last update breaks gmail somewhat, bit it should be fixed soon23:14
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keesjtime to go to bed..23:15
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lcuknm, then catch me when you are awake23:16
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lcukmorning? or late?23:18
KotCzarnyi should really get some sleep23:18
lcuki really should go hunting through some code23:18
lcuki havent opened vmware since dr who23:19
KotCzarnyat least you have slept23:19
lcukgood point23:19
lcukyou need a neural interface to irc so that you can sleep and chat at same time23:19
KotCzarnybetter not23:19
KotCzarnythat could kill me23:19
lcukhows the c book23:20
KotCzarnyand i won't trust neural interfaces sold in us23:20
KotCzarnyc book is waiting23:20
KotCzarnyi was helping someone with papers23:20
KotCzarnyand i hate beaurocracy23:21
KotCzarnyand going from building to building23:21
KotCzarnyand back23:21
KotCzarnyand again23:21
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KotCzarnythis system should generate money itself and leave people free23:22
lcuk:( not good23:22
lcukthey should allow people to walk on human sized hamster wheels instead of out on the streets23:22
lcukat least hten you would save the environment23:22
* KotCzarny imagines computers generating money and spending it all by itself23:23
KotCzarnylcuk: methane23:23
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KotCzarnyhi ssvb23:25
KotCzarnyhow's the code?23:25
ssvbhi KotCzarny23:25
ssvbtagged a new mplayer release:
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ssvbit has some bugfixes and AAC decoding optimizations23:27
KotCzarnygst not touched?23:27
ssvbwill need to find time to test it and upload .deb packages to extras-devel repository23:27
ssvbyes, gst is not touched23:28
ssvbyou are free to hack it yourself :)23:28
KotCzarnyi will23:28
KotCzarnybecause it's a killer feature to have :)23:28
KotCzarnyso much code, so little time23:29
ssvbwhat about controlling ARM/DSP frequency? Is it possible to set 400/133 mode without patching kernel? Or is it possible to have a kernel patch to keep frequency at 400/133 while mplayer process is running?23:30
KotCzarnyit's a table of frequencies23:31
KotCzarnyso it should be fairly easy to add sysfs interface23:31
ssvba good solution to this problem would increase motivation in trying to get this gst stuff working :)23:31
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ssvbwell, could you try to make some clean patch and negotiate its inclusion into fanoush's kernels for example: ?23:33
KotCzarnyfanoush doesn't do irc, but i can try pm on itt23:33
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ssvbyes, he is also reachable via e-mail23:34
KotCzarnythat's something i can do23:35
KotCzarnyi'll report when i do23:35
ssvbok :)23:35
KotCzarnybecause it's definitely worth it23:35
KotCzarnybtw. how about mplayer misdetecting alsa buffers?23:36
ssvbpatch is welcome :)23:36
KotCzarnywith default config it stuttered23:36
KotCzarnyi had to edit asound.conf23:36
KotCzarnymessage was something about 2kb buffer23:37
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KotCzarnyheh23:38 freaked on diff view23:38
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mgedminyesterday I noticed that mplayer exits when I press the Home key to switch apps23:39
mgedminbug? unfortunate default keybinding?23:39
ssvbmgedmin: maybe23:40
KotCzarnyssvb: another question, why is tv interface disabled?23:41
KotCzarnyit works flawlessly with built in cam23:41
KotCzarnyfor mencoder/mplayer23:42
ssvbKotCzarny: because nobody reported how to enable and test it? ;)23:42
KotCzarnyi report, it works!23:42
KotCzarnyas for build just remove the --disable-tv switch23:42
ssvbwhat needs to be changed to enable it?23:42
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KotCzarnylet me check my config.cache23:43
ssvbis it one of the configure options?23:43
KotCzarnyand you should build mencoder too23:43
KotCzarnyas it also works (with minor correction)23:43
mgedminhow do you use it?  mencoder tv:// filename.avi?23:43
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KotCzarnyi can check exact cmd line later23:44
KotCzarnyfor now you can try googling for: kotczarny tv23:44
pH5ssvb, KotCzarny: I use this patch to force 400/133 via sysfs:
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KotCzarnyif we get it into community kernel (fanoush's) more projects could benefit :)23:45
Gast782jest tu kto23:46
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ssvbKotCzarny: just committed a change to remove '--disable-tv' configure option23:47
KotCzarnyph5: how do you use it?23:47
pH5KotCzarny: you could kindly ask him to include something like this if you ping him anyway23:47
KotCzarnyssvb: cool, does it build?23:47
pH5KotCzarny: echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp to force OP_023:47
mgedminrandom question: does the gps chip on the n810 support WAAS/EGNOS?23:48
pH5echo 1 > /sys/power/op_dsp to go back to normal (OP_1)23:48
pH5changing this only works when there is no dsptask running, otherwise the write is ignored23:48
KotCzarnyis it permanent? (until reboot of course)23:49
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pH5KotCzarny: it only changes the DSP operating point that dvfs locks to as soon as a dynamic dsptask is started23:50
MouseyIT WORKS!! I HAVE A | KEY!!!!23:50
* Mousey huggles #maemo again23:50
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mgedminMousey: you know smoking is harmful to your health, right?23:50
Mouseymgedmin: depends what you put in your | i guess23:50
KotCzarnyph5: so i assume, change op mode, run mplayer and it uses 400/133 instead of 330/220 ?23:51
* Mousey smells a smokin' n80023:51
pH5you can also just use it to have a better browsing experience while playing mp3 in the background23:52
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pH5only remember to set it back to 330/220 when you want to try that mixing 3 concurrent mp3 streams corner case scenario that needs all dsp's horsepower :)23:53
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KotCzarnyok, message sent23:55
ssvbpH5: I also wonder about power consumption, wouldn't ARM mp3 decoder running at 165MHz consume less power than DSP?23:55
KotCzarnypcm is also dsp23:55
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ssvbKotCzarny: pcm is a static dsp task23:56
KotCzarnyonly if you use it directly, and not with esd23:56
KotCzarny(if i remember correctly)23:56
KotCzarnyi think there was a bug that 2 pcm tasks were static and 2 were dynamic23:57
pH5ssvb: I guess that's a question for Igor Stoppa23:57
pH5165MHz takes less energy because the voltage is lower23:57
KotCzarnyit's easy to check though23:57
pH5otoh at 400MHz the arm cpu can idle longer, so I'm not sure if power efficiency increases a lot23:58
KotCzarnyis aac decoding possible with dsp at 133 ?23:58
ssvbpH5: in the current default OS2008 setup, DSP looks pretty useless...23:59
gomiampH5: I find that statement interesting. Usually processors with a higher clock rate have a lower voltage level.23:59
lcuki find it if want to up the mhz on my processor i have to bump up the voltage ;)23:59

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