| Mousey | how come its not ext2/3 by default? | 00:02 |
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| Mousey | ooc | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | because internal flash in 770/800 is raw flash | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | ie. mtdblock | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | and using ext2/3 on it would kill it. fast. | 00:03 |
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| KotCzarny | but you can always clone os to mmc | 00:03 |
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| Sho_ | cool, official Qt support | 00:08 |
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| Jaffa | Perhaps | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | Mousey: if it was ext2/3 by default, Windows couldn't read it over USB | 00:12 |
| Mousey | what? | 00:13 |
| Mousey | oh | 00:13 |
| Mousey | windows | 00:13 |
| Mousey | 2008 marks the 10th year i haven't used windows. | 00:13 |
| tank-man | why would ext2/3 kill it fast? | 00:13 |
| Mousey | ...not that you care | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | tank man: because mtd doesn't do wear leveling on it's own | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | as it's the case with sd | 00:14 |
| Mousey | because of journaling it would die faster? | 00:14 |
| Mousey | that i can imagine, but ext2 seems pretty benign | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | key word: wear leveling | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | mtdblock == no w.l. | 00:15 |
| * Mousey == ignorant | 00:15 | |
| KotCzarny | mmcblock == w.l. on | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | so writing a sector 1000000 times on mtd means sure kill | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | while on sd it may be 1 write | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | (per 1000000 sectors) | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | or even less | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i thought WL was down to the memory chip itself? | 00:16 |
| Mousey | i'm still confused, why would ext2 write more often than fat? | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ie totally transparent to the host ui/os | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: disregard what i have said | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | i thought you asked about rootfs | 00:17 |
| Mousey | oooh, yah.. no | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | not about user data | 00:17 |
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| Mousey | i really just meant the mmcblk* | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | then jaffa's comment is valid | 00:18 |
| Mousey | but the windows compatibility seems like the best excuse.. donno why people don't just install ext2 for windows.. | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: why should they? | 00:19 |
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| Mousey | KotCzarny: yea, can't think of a good reason, nm =) | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | assuming they are not geeks with dualboot | 00:19 |
| elb | the internal flash on the 770/800 isn't NAND? | 00:19 |
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| KotCzarny | yes it is | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | onenand even | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | from samsung | 00:19 |
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| elb | you should be able to write it a zillion times, then | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'm probably half way to killing mine | 00:21 |
| * Jaffa is glad it's not ext by default: means I can plug it into a random Win box without worrying about ext drivers | 00:22 | |
| Jaffa | Even tho' I use Linux exclusively at home | 00:22 |
| * achadwick had a few read errors in his backups and testing. Hopefully that's purely filesystem-related: my n810 has been crashing a lot recently; been trying to use the camera | 00:23 | |
| * Mousey doesn't use windows ever | 00:23 | |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: how about 16mb vfat partition with ext2-ifs installer? | 00:24 |
| * lcuk wonders what Mousey does when it gets to warm in his house | 00:24 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | it's simple, he has no ceiling | 00:24 |
| Mousey | lcuk: i open doors =P | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | no bounds! | 00:24 |
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| KotCzarny | and no walls too | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | Mousey: and no-one you visit uses it and has stuff you might want to copy on/off you tablet? If sso, you're very lucky | 00:25 |
| Mousey | Jaffa: it's more common than you might think | 00:25 |
| elb | I don't generally associate with windows users, myself | 00:25 |
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| KotCzarny | windows users use wm6 anyway | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: not very practical on locked down machines, say at an Internet cafe | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | for mobile uses | 00:25 |
| lcuk | when flash drives first started coming out - everyone had the driver problem - its only just (last couple of years) gotten quite ok and most computers can read the mem sticks | 00:25 |
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| KotCzarny | jaffa: true, then make it 1gb | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | for quick data from netcafes | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | and rest in ext3 | 00:26 |
| lcuk | just keep it at whole size fat and save all the hassle | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | or use explore2fs :p, standalone prog | 00:26 |
| * Jaffa doesn't have a problem with it being flash | 00:26 | |
| * lcuk takes the path of least resistence | 00:26 | |
| Jaffa | s/flash/vfat/ | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: agreed | 00:27 |
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| * KotCzarny has 3gig vfat/1gig ext3 (cloned 2008) | 00:27 | |
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| Navi | My flash cards are jffs2 | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | My flash cards are the saviour of the universe | 00:30 |
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| derf | Saving every one of us? | 00:30 |
| megabyte405 | every five minutes to avoid data loss :-P | 00:31 |
| Navi | I ain't need no saving | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | bit by bit | 00:31 |
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| Jaffa | derf: especially with only 14 hours to save the earth | 00:36 |
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| * derf cranks up the Queen. | 00:39 | |
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| * KotCzarny rocks derf | 00:39 | |
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| KotCzarny | http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.04.14/fnp4.jpg | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | fruit fun | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | well, more like vegetables fun | 00:41 |
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| Mousey | frankly i'd rather format 8gb with ext2 than with fat | 00:53 |
| Mousey | is it even vfat? | 00:53 |
| Mousey | i guess it has to be, long filenames and all | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | right, disconnect time. doctor who awaits. | 00:57 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, no shit ? Doctor who tonight ? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | it was saturday night, but i missed it and need to watch now | 01:11 |
| lcuk | its been calling me since earlier but ive been having a wicked idea for linux tag | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | oh shit | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | I didn't know they started airing again | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | me jumps to his torrent tracker | 01:12 |
| lcuk | do that for one of them | 01:12 |
| lcuk | but after that go and watch via bbc iplayer | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I don't have access to bbc iplayer | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | if we show the isps that legal free means work we can get the ip police off our backs for just watching tv | 01:13 |
| lcuk | are you in the uk? | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, not in the UK (yet) | 01:13 |
| lcuk | damn | 01:13 |
| lcuk | its flash based and expects a UK ip address | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | well, in August I will be able to use iPlayer ;) | 01:13 |
| lcuk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | yeah I know | 01:13 |
| lcuk | (for others who dont know) | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | I've been trying to hack it for a shitload of time | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | for torchwood and everything | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | meh, i just get eastenders torrents and watch on n800 when i miss them | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | but even using a socks proxy in the UK it somehow manages to spot me... so I dunno | 01:14 |
| sbk | anyone ever pair a N810 to a bt keyboard? | 01:14 |
| lcuk | my missus is so thankful for iplayer - we could never find any casualty torrents | 01:14 |
| lcuk | sbk | 01:15 |
| lcuk | yes i have an apple bt keyboard here now | 01:15 |
| sbk | I was trying to pair my Logitech Dinovo EDGE to my N810 | 01:15 |
| sbk | and I wasn't able to | 01:15 |
| sbk | when it asked for the code to be punched in | 01:15 |
| lcuk | what happened? | 01:15 |
| sbk | I did.,, | 01:15 |
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| sbk | and it "failed to pair" | 01:15 |
| lcuk | did you press enter... or whatever you are meant to do on the kb at pairing stage | 01:15 |
| sbk | yeah | 01:16 |
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| KotCzarny | it's a character training | 01:16 |
| lcuk | which keypad did you try | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | fighting with so many fails | 01:16 |
| sbk | there is only 1 on the EDGE | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:16 |
| lcuk | nums or above qwer | 01:16 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 01:16 |
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| sbk | I know right KotCzarny | 01:16 |
| Spakman_ | any ideas how I can make my SD card get automounted on boot as rw,noatime (ext2)? I can create a startup script to mount, but it still aways gets automounts just rw. | 01:17 |
| lcuk | sbk, you will have to follow the advice i saw for bt devices. connections may fail due to proximity of the device. move the peripheral closer or further away and try again | 01:17 |
| sbk | heh, i'll try that later | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | sbk, reboot n810, take out batteries, move outside, start n810 back up, wait for the n810 to be fully loaded and BT running, put batteries in KB, try to pair again | 01:18 |
| lcuk | all i know is that it is possible and went smoothly on mine | 01:18 |
| Spakman_ | the auto-mounter appears to ignore fstab :( | 01:18 |
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| crashanddie | Spakman, yeah, it does | 01:18 |
| sbk | i'll try to pair it again when I get home | 01:18 |
| sbk | you can't take the batteries out of this dinovo edge | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | why not? | 01:19 |
| sbk | design flaw? | 01:19 |
| sbk | lol | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | sbk, if that doesn't work, use tinfoil on your head so the aliens can't mess with your internal BT receptor, they might be trying some new cancer prone frequencies on you and your families, and that might just be blocking your KB | 01:19 |
| Spakman_ | crashanddie: do you know if there's a way to configure it? | 01:19 |
| sbk | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/394/192&cl=us,en | 01:19 |
| sbk | ahh, thats what I figured crashanddie | 01:20 |
| pH5 | Spakman_: edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 01:20 |
| lcuk | sbk, its from the apple design school | 01:20 |
| lcuk | although, this bt keyboard is amazing, it takes aa batteries | 01:20 |
| sbk | elite | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | wow wtf ? | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | why the hell do you take such a KB for a portable device ? | 01:20 |
| sbk | WOW, I'M NOT! | 01:20 |
| sbk | I'm using it in my office to input contacts | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | oh, right | 01:21 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, the 810 has a mobile use keyboard, perhaps he wants this one to use at home because its a shitload more comfortable ;) | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 01:21 |
| sbk | exactly | 01:21 |
| lcuk | or for that reason ^ | 01:21 |
| Spakman_ | pH5: wicked, thanks a lot :) | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pH5, Does that script get called on usb disconnect? I'm working on mmy unionfs port and that would be useful to know. | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, if I take a BT KB, it'll be mainly because when on the road, it's just easier to use the NIT with a KB, like the stowaway | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | for comfortability i prefer ibm X3{0,1,2} | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | for devices without a keyboard i would agree | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | but i want a big format keyboard to use at home which is why ive got the apple one here | 01:22 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, one of those bt identifiers was my keyboard ;) | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | there was only one mac | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:23 |
| pH5 | qwerty12_N800: yes | 01:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pH5, Thanks | 01:24 |
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| KotCzarny | food time | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | doctor who calls >>>>>>>>>>> back maybe later | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | have fun | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Does anyone know at boot time (really early, i'm talking before S1* scripts) if /dev/mmcblk devices are available? | 01:37 |
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| nwidger_ | is there a channel specific for modest? | 01:42 |
| nwidger_ | is anyone else having problems connecting to gmail via imap using the latest version of modest? | 01:45 |
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| johnx | nwidger_, it's a known bug | 01:47 |
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| jott | sweet, nokia finally goes towards qt on maemo. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/ctia_and_qt.html | 01:54 |
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| oob | hello Nokia nerds! | 01:55 |
| jott | more choice makes one rejoice :) | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | more like linux nerds | 01:55 |
| nwidger_ | johnx: ah excellent, any known workarounds as of yet? | 01:58 |
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| KotCzarny | downgrade | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | to previous ver | 01:59 |
| nwidger_ | i see | 01:59 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, have you tried downgrading? I tried downgrading just modest but it still didn't work... | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use modest | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:07 |
| johnx | Might have to do with a stale config file or something though... | 02:07 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. debian should remove configs too | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | i mean dpkg/apt | 02:08 |
| johnx | not user configs :P | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | userconfigs too i think | 02:08 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, no, it doesn't | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | at least if package was configured for it | 02:08 |
| lcuk | kot, stop keeping me here :P ill be back later | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | hehehe | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: i had to tell you the same | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | quistiss is getting cold | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:09 |
| lcuk | you and your ff | 02:09 |
| lcuk | cya later | 02:09 |
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| KotCzarny | k k | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:12 |
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| Ziegler | n810 users: do you use a screen protecter? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get one | 04:30 |
| Ziegler | Recomendations? | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I recommend the Boxwave anti-glare for its much improved visibility in a variety of adverse lighting conditions and the surface texture. | 04:31 |
| Ziegler | Sticket fit, or does it slip under the edges of the screen? | 04:31 |
| Ziegler | Stickey* | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sticky fit. | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | But washable | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and replaceable | 04:32 |
| Ziegler | Interesting | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The stick doesn't wear and doesn't come off. | 04:32 |
| Ziegler | Thank you | 04:32 |
| unique311 | I removed my screen protector....don't really need one... | 04:32 |
| unique311 | unless your n800 is in your pocket iwth your keys in there as well. | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, you need it. | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grit is a hard thing to battle. | 04:34 |
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| unique311 | not really..... | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, the benefits in viewability and texture far outweigh any screen protection issues. | 04:34 |
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| Ziegler | Acts as abit of a filter yea? | 04:35 |
| unique311 | i've been going to work with mtpaint......and yet to see any scratches.....really impress. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | How long have you had it off? | 04:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I used my 770 for a year without a protector, it definitely had scratches after 6 months (and I'm not uncareful about my touchscreens). | 04:36 |
| unique311 | a month maybe. | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, I refer you to all the "Oops, I know I said screenprotectors were a big waste of time, but now I've scratched my screen and realized I was wrong!" threads on ITT. ;) | 04:37 |
| Ziegler | Lol | 04:37 |
| rm_you_ | do n800s have/need screen protectors? | 04:39 |
| rm_you_ | cause i definately didnt put one on, and i used it HARDCORE for about 5 months and no scratches at all | 04:39 |
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| rm_you_ | and i *AM* uncareful sometimes (i use my fingernails a *lot*) | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're bundled with one. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fingernails aren't an issue. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grit getting wedged between the stylus and the screen while you're dragging is. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation for any of the four NIT devices will always be: Yes, and get a Boxwave anti-glare. | 04:40 |
| Ziegler | n810 was not packaged with one :-/ | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even if you don't think the screen needs the protection (in my experience, it does) the improvements in visibility in a lot of lighting conditions and the much improved texture make it worth it. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a "shipping protector" | 04:41 |
| Ziegler | http://www.boxwave.com/products/easyfinder/buy-best-nokia-n810-accessories_3045.htm | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm | 04:42 |
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| unique311 | I used my ppc6700 forever and didn't get a scratch on it....I think i can manage to do the same with the n800.. | 04:43 |
| unique311 | really careful when it comes to it....but go with the general and get one...don't cost alot. | 04:43 |
| unique311 | I got some from j&r for 10 dollars.. | 04:44 |
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| unique311 | screenguards | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've tried a variety of protectors on other devices, and Boxwave is the only one I would recommend. | 04:46 |
| unique311 | freeball it ziegler | 04:49 |
| Ziegler | Does that brand need to be cut to size? | 04:49 |
| Ziegler | For sure unique311 | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 04:50 |
| elb | hmmm cutting glare might be worth putting a screen protector on, if it actually works | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does, elb. | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very well, too. | 04:50 |
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| elb | the transflective screen makes the n810 sunlight-*usable*, but I wouldn't call it pleasant | 04:51 |
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| elb | you have to hold it just so to get the glare off it in a lot of conditions | 04:51 |
| Ziegler | Ya | 04:51 |
| elb | $13 for a single protector is kind of steep, though | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a lifetime-protector. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | They essentially don't scratch. | 04:52 |
| elb | so it's made out of the same stuff as the display? ;-) | 04:52 |
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| elb | hah the "OmniPen Pro" (one of the recommended items on that page) that they sell is a generic item which can be bought at various places for $5 or less | 04:53 |
| elb | and they want $20 | 04:53 |
| elb | speaking of steep :-P | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I saw somewhere that somebody sells the Boxwave protectors for $9 or so | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall where | 04:54 |
| unique311 | elb if you really need a scratch protector go with the screenguard....10 dollars for 15.... | 04:54 |
| unique311 | and they don't scratch... | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So you may want to look around. | 04:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But do they cut glare, unique311? | 04:54 |
| elb | yeah, I'm not concerned with scratching, but glare is a real problem | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuff in it a retail package. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/stuff/stuffed/ | 04:55 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: 10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuffed in it a retail package. | 04:55 |
| elb | no, it *actually* sounds like somebody charging a fair price | 04:55 |
| elb | but it probably *is* someone cutting up a transparency and overchargin | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | My experience with those protectors has always been bad. | 04:55 |
| elb | that boxwave item costs them probably $0.50 to produce | 04:55 |
| elb | if even that | 04:56 |
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| elb | considering they make protectors for a zillion devices, and all they have to do is cut sheets to size :-P | 04:56 |
| lcuk | think how cheap cellotape is and consider its the same kind of machine and same materials | 04:56 |
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| elb | now it's *possible* that it's a super-expensive polymer ... but since the polymers in LCD screens are essentially free, I'm doubting it | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most things sell for more than they cost to produce. :P | 04:56 |
| elb | more, yes, but that's just plain extortion | 04:57 |
| elb | however, as long as there's no competition, if the product is valuable ... | 04:57 |
| unique311 | no glare cutting with screenguardz | 04:57 |
| Ziegler | Hehe anyone want to talk religion? | 04:59 |
| unique311 | http://www.screenguardz.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=770&Search.x=4&Search.y=14 | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got it going on in another channel, too, Ziegler. :\ | 04:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles cuts his eyes out. | 04:59 | |
| rm_you_ | lol | 04:59 |
| unique311 | seems like the n810 version do cut glare. | 05:00 |
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| unique311 | i have the 770's | 05:00 |
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| unique311 | screenguard hd for nokia n810 = price $15 dollars for 3 | 05:02 |
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| unique311 | not sure about the slight adhesive part on the description... | 05:04 |
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| * Ziegler considers selling it to poor schmuks for top $$ | 05:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You wouldn't manage it. :P | 05:07 |
| Ziegler | Cut up in n810 sized pieces of course | 05:07 |
| Ziegler | Lol | 05:08 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4384 | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 05:30 |
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| KotCzarny | do people really browse web on 320xsomething ? | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, kinetic scrolling rocks :) | 05:32 |
| Ziegler | I am on my n810 right now browsing... | 05:34 |
| Ziegler | But slightly higher res | 05:34 |
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| Tama^2 | Hola folkds | 05:46 |
| Tama^2 | -d | 05:46 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good thing you didn't have to add a letter. | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | mh you will have to explain that one GA | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | I do not get it | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | +s | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's that stupid bot? | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess he's dead! | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 05:49 |
| elb | he did a s/// earlier | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not infobot | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other one. | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the + trigger. | 05:50 |
| elb | I guess I haven't noticed a second annoying bot | 05:50 |
| elb | or I thought it was just one annoying bot | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to be three. | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But poor Monkey is dead. | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Monkey had no trigger, he just responded whenever he saw a keyword. <_< | 05:51 |
| Tama^2 | monkey? keyword? what was it? BANANA? | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything that he had recorded. | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, if you said MicroB, he'd spam the factoid he had for MicroB. | 05:53 |
| Tama^2 | that would be annoying, it works like a geek in need for attention | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I miss him, though, Infobot doesn't have a personality. | 05:54 |
| Tama^2 | What you want is a "Real People Personality"(tm) android form the Sirius Corp. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of those old-people companion bots from Korea. :D | 05:56 |
| Tama^2 | only old people companion bots from Korea use email | 05:56 |
| Tama^2 | >.> | 05:56 |
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| tank-man | +trigger | 06:17 |
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| dospod | hey does anybody if that snes emulator is ever gonna head to os 2008? | 07:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It probably just got uploaded to Extras this morning. | 07:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | fms posted it on ITT a while ago, anyway. | 07:01 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 07:01 |
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| dospod | I remember they posted it | 07:01 |
| * Mousey wonders if it'll ever be in a repo | 07:01 | |
| dospod | but I thought it was for the 770 | 07:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm digging Wesnoth. | 07:02 |
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| dospod | so the snes emu works for 2008? | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, install it and find out. | 07:04 |
| dospod | I guess I will try | 07:05 |
| dospod | hmm can't find the link | 07:11 |
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| sarower | I want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo | 07:12 |
| sarower | is there any body?? can help regarding this? | 07:13 |
| Mousey | huh? | 07:13 |
| sarower | please | 07:13 |
| Mousey | i just have a general question about that | 07:13 |
| Mousey | gl?? in maemo? | 07:14 |
| sarower | <Mousey>yah | 07:14 |
| dospod | it seems like no cool apps have came out lately | 07:14 |
| dospod | just updates to apps | 07:14 |
| sarower | or anything related to open gl! | 07:14 |
| sarower | in maemo | 07:15 |
| Mousey | but.. but.. the graphics chip in the nseries.. it does GL? | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, go develop something yourself, then. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It would have to be software rendering, Mousey. | 07:15 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: ok.. but.. 400MHz??? | 07:15 |
| dospod | there is a vm to download for vmware right? | 07:15 |
| sarower | Mousey: Then?? | 07:16 |
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| sarower | what could be done? | 07:16 |
| Mousey | frame rates of 3 seconds per frame | 07:16 |
| Mousey | i guess | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'd be fine for simple stuff. | 07:17 |
| Mousey | oh | 07:17 |
| Mousey | i'm sorry i can't help | 07:17 |
| Mousey | i'd love to see glxgears on an n810 tho | 07:18 |
| Mousey | that'd be funny | 07:18 |
| sarower | oh | 07:18 |
| sarower | thank you....... | 07:19 |
| Mousey | thank YOU | 07:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ | 07:19 |
| sarower | then any body else....??? | 07:19 |
| sarower | who can help..? | 07:19 |
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| sarower | I want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo | 07:19 |
| Mousey | it worked! | 07:19 |
| sarower | <GeneralAntilles> there is no useful things for me...! | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | The link was for Mousey. | 07:20 |
| sarower | <GeneralAntilles: I have already see it | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody has really done much work on OpenGL | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I doubt you'll get an answer. | 07:20 |
| sarower | oh then you should mention the name i think! | 07:20 |
| Navi | Look it how fast it runs | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend the maemo-developers mailing list. | 07:21 |
| Navi | That's amazing! | 07:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws cogs at Navi. | 07:21 | |
| * Navi dodges | 07:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | sarower, don't get pissy. | 07:22 |
| Mousey | ha!! | 07:22 |
| Mousey | that's hawt | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's not useful to you, you can ignore it. | 07:22 |
| Mousey | that's SO FAST!! | 07:22 |
| Mousey | damn you navi for stealing my thunder | 07:22 |
| Mousey | so i love my n810 to pieces, but i'm thinking i should get an n800 too, and get some 16 or 32gb SD cards and use it for external storage for my n810.. is that reasonable? | 07:24 |
| Mousey | i mean chicks will dig it | 07:24 |
| Mousey | but besides that | 07:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N800 is super cheap. | 07:24 |
| Mousey | usb it up to my n810 | 07:24 |
| dospod | I think the price for the n810 is crazy | 07:24 |
| Mousey | that'd be so cool | 07:25 |
| Mousey | yea, it's more than the Eee | 07:25 |
| dospod | I wouldnt go tha far | 07:25 |
| Mousey | it is tho | 07:25 |
| dospod | the eee can run any linux distro almost | 07:25 |
| dospod | meaning more apps | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eee isn't small, though. | 07:25 |
| Mousey | and it's cheaper | 07:25 |
| termsig | crazy? all the time u paying more for something new. | 07:25 |
| dospod | dont have to port apps | 07:25 |
| elb | so can the n810 | 07:25 |
| dospod | just compile | 07:25 |
| Mousey | i'm just being lazy, not having a build environment for my n810 | 07:26 |
| elb | but they're not really at all similar | 07:26 |
| Mousey | i really ought to | 07:26 |
| Mousey | i'm so lasy | 07:26 |
| Mousey | lazy | 07:26 |
| Mousey | *cry* | 07:26 |
| dospod | the eee also has more ram | 07:26 |
| Mousey | same cpu tho | 07:26 |
| dospod | I love my n800 and all | 07:26 |
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| dospod | but I wish I could have a eee or itouch sometimes | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then go buy one. | 07:26 |
| dospod | I got some many other things I need to buy | 07:27 |
| dospod | like I need to pay off my car | 07:27 |
| dospod | and then maybe a new phone | 07:27 |
| dospod | good app | 07:28 |
| dospod | but could use improvements | 07:28 |
| Navi | grab an iPhone | 07:28 |
| dospod | but seeing how it runs linux I had an idea It was gonna be a toy and I shouldnt expect everything I have on my computer on it | 07:28 |
| Mousey | i had to sacrifice christmas AND my birthday to get my n810 | 07:28 |
| dospod | Navi I have sprint | 07:28 |
| Mousey | i'm glad i love it ^_^ | 07:28 |
| Navi | Do what half the iPhone users do and jailbreak it | 07:28 |
| Mousey | screw that | 07:28 |
| Mousey | i can't install apps on MY OWN DEVICE?? | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, install Debian. | 07:29 |
| Mousey | doh! >_< | 07:29 |
| dospod | is it even ready to use? | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get what you're bitching about, though. | 07:29 |
| Mousey | debian on an Eee? that's what i'll be doing if i ever get one | 07:29 |
| dospod | http://www.flickr.com/photos/12699577@N02/1806099196/ that is such an awesome wallpaper for the n800 | 07:29 |
| Navi | Debian leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Subnotebooks are a useless niche for me. | 07:30 |
| dospod | I want a p2p app ( not torrent I mean like gtk gnutella) , and a snes emulators | 07:30 |
| dospod | snes emulator* | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man up and port what you need. | 07:30 |
| dospod | the vgba port made me so much happier with the n800 though | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then package it for the community. | 07:30 |
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| dospod | I tried installing ubuntu on her and it didnt run except in safe mode | 07:30 |
| dospod | so I think Im gonna vm | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | No power and not pocketable == useless. | 07:30 |
| dospod | and maybe port gtk gnutella | 07:31 |
| Mousey | bleh.. debian runs on EVARYTTHING | 07:31 |
| dospod | http://abduzeedo.com/awesome-light-graffiti-pictures <--- those are so awesome for the n8x0 | 07:31 |
| Mousey | if you don't like debian, you're doing it wrong!! | 07:31 |
| Navi | Nah | 07:31 |
| * Mousey takes of his #debian suit | 07:31 | |
| Mousey | dospod: u sure that's not a sprint astroturf site? | 07:32 |
| Navi | 'scuse me while I gag on package creation. | 07:32 |
| dospod | Mousey ??? | 07:32 |
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| dospod | oh and android could be very promising on the nit | 07:33 |
| dospod | so that makes me appreciate my n800 more | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 07:33 |
| Navi | Meh | 07:33 |
| Mousey | bleh indeed | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android is just Google hype right now. | 07:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll be impressed when they actually have something interesting. | 07:34 |
| Navi | Browser's decent. | 07:34 |
| dospod | but Im sure they have lots of developers building apps or will | 07:34 |
| dospod | so that could boost app choices | 07:34 |
| Mousey | my next phone's openmoko | 07:34 |
| pupnik | i like freedom and diversity, but the portable linux scene is too small and fragmented imo | 07:34 |
| Mousey | won't it be nice to have the same apps on my n810 as my phone. ^_^ | 07:34 |
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| Mousey | pupnik: hey! freedom isn't free! | 07:35 |
| dospod | Mousey it would be pointless carrying both devices then ; ) | 07:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely, pupnik. | 07:35 |
| Mousey | dospod: i'm all about multiple devices.. the worlds obsession with one-device-does-everything confuses and entertains me | 07:35 |
| dospod | Im surprised nobody really cared when fedora released a armel port | 07:35 |
| Mousey | who? | 07:35 |
| dospod | Mousey Ill take more than one device | 07:35 |
| Navi | I'm not surprised. | 07:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because everybody else already has? | 07:36 |
| dospod | but I think 2 devices is about to push it | 07:36 |
| Mousey | i'm suprised it took fedora so long, and where's their sparc64 release? and where's their pa-risc release? | 07:36 |
| Navi | I don't have enough pockets fir 2+ devices | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Woo! Me too!" is not something anybody usually cares about. | 07:36 |
| Mousey | i have tons of pockets | 07:36 |
| Navi | s/fir/fer/ | 07:36 |
| Mousey | PERSONAL AREA NETWORKZ | 07:36 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I don't have enough pockets fer 2+ devices | 07:36 |
| * GeneralAntilles hands Navi a manpurse. | 07:36 | |
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| Mousey | i usually have a minimum of 3 or 4 devices at any given time | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's insane. | 07:37 |
| Mousey | yea, insanely USEFUL | 07:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how. | 07:37 |
| Italodance | oh hi guys | 07:38 |
| Mousey | luddite | 07:38 |
| Mousey | oh hai! | 07:38 |
| dospod | and it seems like the debian port is kinda dead | 07:38 |
| liquid64 | has anyone got any experience with mud-builder on scratchbox? I am trying to compile tn5250, and build a deb for my NIT, but it keeps failing | 07:38 |
| dospod | and android dosen't look too bad | 07:38 |
| pupnik | i carry a camera and NIT | 07:38 |
| Navi | Phone an NIT | 07:38 |
| Mousey | well ARMs are endian agnostic, if you aren't impressed with the little endian port, try the big endian one.. that's better for network gear anyway since network traffic is naturally be | 07:38 |
| Navi | s/an/and/ | 07:38 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Phone and NIT | 07:38 |
| Mousey | i carry, phone, phone, nit, earpiece, external drive, array of flash medias | 07:39 |
| Mousey | but at minimum phone phone nit earpiece | 07:39 |
| Navi | Why two phones? | 07:39 |
| Mousey | one for work one for personal | 07:39 |
| Mousey | i hate having all my calls on one phone | 07:39 |
| Mousey | harder to ignore | 07:39 |
| tank-man | yea, way easier to carry more things | 07:40 |
| pupnik | funny, i never bought a cell phone, but three employers bought me phones... and two girlfriends | 07:40 |
| Navi | yay for pupnik | 07:40 |
| pupnik | so i figure this is a good approach | 07:40 |
| Mousey | your employer bought you TWO girlfriends?? | 07:40 |
| Mousey | i need a new job | 07:40 |
| pupnik | lol | 07:40 |
| Navi | Yeah, that's the way I read it the first time :/ | 07:40 |
| pupnik | if someone wants to keep you on a chain, they buy you a cellphone | 07:40 |
| Mousey | yea | 07:40 |
| Mousey | that's what i get for working in operatiosn | 07:41 |
| Mousey | operations, even | 07:41 |
| Navi | I rarely answer my cell | 07:41 |
| Navi | I tell people not to call it | 07:41 |
| Mousey | i use my cel for NIT internet access =) | 07:41 |
| Mousey | otherwise i txt message everyone | 07:41 |
| Mousey | if my phone rings, something went terribly wrong | 07:41 |
| dospod | hey pupnik does your snes emulator work for os2008 | 07:41 |
| Navi | It blows | 07:42 |
| pupnik | i haven't gotten sound out of it yet | 07:42 |
| dospod | I hate sound on emualtors | 07:42 |
| pupnik | the snes emu blows | 07:42 |
| dospod | I dont know why | 07:42 |
| pupnik | haha | 07:42 |
| Mousey | SPEAKING OF | 07:42 |
| pupnik | anybody want to work on a new one? it's loading a game now. should run fullspeed | 07:42 |
| Mousey | anyone get the n8x0 working as bt headphones instead of bt headSET? | 07:42 |
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| dospod | pupnik what do you mean work on a new one? | 07:43 |
| pupnik | a new snes emu that doesn't suck | 07:43 |
| pupnik | i haven't made progress in a couple of weeks | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, you want A2DP. | 07:43 |
| pupnik | but that's laziness | 07:43 |
| Mousey | a2dp you say | 07:43 |
| * Mousey googles | 07:43 | |
| pupnik | Datapath wanted to work on it but no progress in 5 months | 07:44 |
| dospod | I hope progress gets made | 07:44 |
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| liquid64 | ls | 07:48 |
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| liquid64 | woops, wrong window | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | IRC: ls: command not found | 07:49 |
| czr | IRC: did you mean lsd | 07:49 |
| Mousey | night folks | 07:49 |
| tank-man | Password: | 07:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles drifts around downtown. | 07:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, czr. | 07:49 |
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| czr | hey GA | 07:49 |
| * czr drifts to client's premises -> | 07:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_%28motorsport%29 ! | 07:51 |
| czr | heh | 07:51 |
| czr | not that kind of drifting :-) | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Limited Slip Differential | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad joke, I'm sorry. | 07:51 |
| czr | more of the "damn this sailboat has no motor and there's no wind"-kind of drifting :-) | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:52 |
| dospod | yea thats how my life feels | 07:52 |
| dospod | fkn ex girlfriend and I lost my best friend a little over a week ago | 07:52 |
| czr | life is. | 07:52 |
| dospod | crazy | 07:53 |
| czr | no. just is. | 07:53 |
| dospod | one day your here the next you can be gone | 07:53 |
| czr | true that. | 07:53 |
| dospod | its so crazy | 07:53 |
| dospod | it feels like my best friend is still living with his mom in ohio and isnt gon | 07:54 |
| dospod | gone* | 07:54 |
| * halleck starts humming "All we are is dust in the wind" | 07:54 | |
| pupnik | but everything you do changes the world | 07:56 |
| dospod | its weird | 07:57 |
| dospod | emotions | 07:57 |
| dospod | one day I dont care about my ex then , she txted me bc my phone's buttons got pushed and called her i guess , and now | 07:57 |
| dospod | were are head over heels for each other | 07:57 |
| dospod | but were in a fkd up situation | 07:57 |
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| dospod | g'night | 08:05 |
| sarower | setting up development environment to use open gl in maemo | 08:06 |
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| sarower | any heliP/ | 08:06 |
| sarower | Help??? | 08:06 |
| sarower | any body...? | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | sarower, try maemo-developers mailing list. | 08:06 |
| sarower | how..? | 08:06 |
| sarower | what is the process?? | 08:06 |
| sarower | what is the address? | 08:07 |
| sarower | GeneralAntilles?? | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google, sarower: http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html | 08:07 |
| sarower | ok... boss | 08:08 |
| sarower | Thank you! | 08:08 |
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| sarower | very much | 08:08 |
| sarower | <GeneralAntilles.. | 08:08 |
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| sarower | <GeneralAntilles: Should i mail there..? | 08:09 |
| sarower | or any article is there..? | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Search first | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you don't see anything, then mail. | 08:09 |
| sarower | oh.. then? | 08:09 |
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| sarower | <GeneralAntilles: Can i mail there?? | 08:13 |
| sarower | about my problem? | 08:13 |
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| halleck | sarower: wow...he already answered you, spend a bit of time googling for your answer, if no one seems to have answered it then yes. | 08:19 |
| sarower | halleck: Cool man!!! | 08:21 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Is it possible to resubmit the ssh key? | 08:22 |
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| Cptnodegard | "Latest iPhone beta firmware does full screen captures, saves web images" | 08:30 |
| Cptnodegard | lmao | 08:30 |
| Cptnodegard | didnt know it couldnt even do that before | 08:30 |
| Cptnodegard | even my phone can do that | 08:30 |
| Cptnodegard | my last 4 phones oculd do that | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | No cut and paste, either. | 08:31 |
| Cptnodegard | i dont get why people buy it... its like a prototype or something | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's good for Joe User. | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | My mother has one | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and she absolutely loves the thing. | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | She's been through a lot of N-series phones, too. | 08:32 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah...i well sorry for Joes. they end up spending more money and getting fewer features just because they are technologically retarded | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, there's a bit of an opportunity cost involved. | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some people simply don't have the time to invest in getting their devices to do what they want. | 08:33 |
| Cptnodegard | as apple and bose are perfect examples of | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bose . . . gawd | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | What garbage. | 08:34 |
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| Cptnodegard | the iphone is showing up on all kinds of tv series' now... hidden advertising | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:34 |
| Cptnodegard | ncis in particular | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was Chuck, I think where they were changing somebody's phone between an iPhone and an N95 from shot to shot. | 08:35 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah that too | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Made me laugh. | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Very clever, getting money from two companies at once | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny, because most shows end up having to plaster over the Apple logos on the computers. | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Not if Apple pays 'em though =) | 08:36 |
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| Cptnodegard | adam in mythbusters got one too | 08:36 |
| Cptnodegard | he uses it for stopwatch on the show | 08:36 |
| Cptnodegard | im surprised it can even tell time | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:36 |
| * RST38h wonders what FTC thinks about this stuff though | 08:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mythbusters. . . . | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That show pisses me off. | 08:36 |
| Cptnodegard | why? | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | They fail at science. | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, I enjoy watching it | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I have to make sure I disconnect or I just get irritated by their methods. | 08:38 |
| Cptnodegard | lol true | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firearm stuff they're particularly bad with. | 08:39 |
| Cptnodegard | and the latest one, the macgyver episode | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Water penetration, for example | 08:39 |
| Cptnodegard | that plane they made | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | They took a .50 and shot it into a pool 3' from the water. | 08:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It, of course, had way too much energy on entry | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | so didn't penetrate at all | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they didn't consider trying it from a reasonable range, say, 200-500yds | 08:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | where the bullet would have a lot more energy and a lot better penetration. | 08:40 |
| Cptnodegard | indeed... when they tested the home made gldie plane, they dropped it from a short hill and not a cliff so it crashed into the hill | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 08:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully there's some cool shit that offsets the bad | 08:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | like the concrete mixer truck they blew up. | 08:41 |
| Cptnodegard | i love docu shows like that. but dirty jobs > mythbusters anyday | 08:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yeah. | 08:41 |
| Cptnodegard | lol yeah i remember that one | 08:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dirty Jobs is great fun. | 08:42 |
| Cptnodegard | new dirty jobs episode today | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | We used to watch that during lunch at work. | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get cable up here | 08:42 |
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| Cptnodegard | 30 days is another great docu series | 08:42 |
| Cptnodegard | made by morgan spurlock | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, heard of it. | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't gotten around to watching it yet. | 08:43 |
| Cptnodegard | eatched ice road truckers during the weekend...also good | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Future Weapons is fun. | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I kinda hate the host, but he's the real deal. | 08:44 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah i havent watched much because of the guy | 08:44 |
| Cptnodegard | hes like rambo+joh n mcclain onn speed | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least he's no joker, though. | 08:45 |
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| Cptnodegard | school | 08:45 |
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| sarower | setting up development environment to use open gl in maemo | 08:54 |
| sarower | any help? | 08:54 |
| sarower | any body? | 08:54 |
| sarower | please!!! | 08:54 |
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| kulve | sarower: no hardware accelerated open gl | 09:05 |
| kulve | sarower: and with software it's *slow* | 09:05 |
| sarower | n800 has hardware accelared | 09:06 |
| kulve | no drivers | 09:06 |
| sarower | kulve! | 09:06 |
| sarower | n800 dont have support of open gl? | 09:06 |
| sarower | kluve? | 09:06 |
| kulve | yep, no support | 09:06 |
| sarower | But So far I know N800 has but N810 don't have support! | 09:07 |
| kulve | wrong | 09:07 |
| kulve | same hw, same support. I.e. no support | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 09:07 |
| sarower | how you are sure.. about it...kulve? | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | ^ | 09:07 |
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| KotCzarny | ask 100 times | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | he will answer the same | 09:08 |
| sarower | I have heared about it from nokia people... kulve!!! | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | and anyone else too | 09:08 |
| kulve | sarower: google it | 09:08 |
| kulve | sarower: very old story | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | sarowar: bring us working drivers | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | then we can talk | 09:08 |
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| KotCzarny | no rumors | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | but drivers | 09:08 |
| kulve | sarower: there is the hardware, but there's no kernel drivers for it nor the opengl stack using the drivers | 09:09 |
| kulve | sarower: you can you e.g. vincent (open gl es software stack) but it's very very slow | 09:09 |
| sarower | KotCzarny: But One of the nokia people onformed me about this... that N800 has support of open gl | 09:09 |
| kulve | s,you,use, | 09:09 |
| kulve | sarower: you misunderstood him | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | sArowar: bring me drivers then | 09:09 |
| kulve | sarower: or he didn't knew what he was talking about.. | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | mesagl is also opengl :) | 09:10 |
| sarower | yah | 09:10 |
| sarower | i know | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | so unless you bring us working drivers there's no point in arguing | 09:10 |
| sarower | <KotCzarny: Then you say that I can not use open gl suppport to develop the application! | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | sure, you can | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | but it won't run that fast | 09:11 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 09:11 |
| sarower | Ok...... but how i can use to develop the application....? slow is not matter!! | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | mesagl | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | as in the link you posted before | 09:12 |
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| KotCzarny | it's compatible with opengl | 09:12 |
| sarower | can you please say the way of setting up the development environment? | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | nope, because i haven't done it | 09:12 |
| sarower | then how you are sure about that? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | unless you ask about sdk | 09:13 |
| sarower | maemo..! | 09:13 |
| sarower | SDK! | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=915 | 09:14 |
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| kulve | http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: i believe he posted that link before | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:14 |
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| kulve | ok | 09:15 |
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| sarower | yes? | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | sarower: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 09:16 |
| kulve | I've run the vincent on n800 | 09:16 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Vincent ran on mine too. He stepped on the screen and broke it | 09:17 |
| Cptn-N800 | (Sry, bored) | 09:17 |
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| kulve | ;) | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Vincent. | 09:20 |
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| Proteous | Vincent is such a n00b | 09:25 |
| Proteous | I heard he tried to jailbreak his ipod shuffle | 09:26 |
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| sarower | <KotCzarny: What is VMware? | 09:30 |
| sarower | what could be done by it? | 09:31 |
| sarower | KotCzarn? | 09:31 |
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| kulve | sarower: try googling a bit | 09:31 |
| kulve | vmware is a virtual machine. It allows you to run e.g. linux in e.g. windows (or vice versa) | 09:32 |
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| sarower | if i wat to run local .. application | 09:32 |
| sarower | or develop in the local machine? | 09:32 |
| sarower | Then? | 09:32 |
| sarower | will it work? | 09:33 |
| sarower | <kulve?? | 09:33 |
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| kulve | I don't have a clue what is your local machine, so I can't really help | 09:35 |
| kulve | if you have a linux computer, just follow the instructions found in the maemo.org | 09:35 |
| sarower | ok.... | 09:36 |
| sarower | my question is that: is it only for remote PC? | 09:36 |
| sarower | kulve? | 09:37 |
| kulve | "it"? "remote pc"? | 09:37 |
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| AStorm | hello | 10:03 |
| AStorm | does someone here have usbutils and pciutils? | 10:04 |
| AStorm | or know what's the camera model in N810? | 10:04 |
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| kulve | tcm825x? | 10:07 |
| kulve | [ 12.992187] tcm825x_configure(): configuring Image Size 3 | 10:07 |
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| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/qt_to_be_supported_in_addition_to_gtk.html | 10:10 |
| AStorm | wow | 10:10 |
| AStorm | kulve: but also some bus | 10:11 |
| AStorm | omap24xxcam | 10:11 |
| AStorm | do we have an open driver? | 10:11 |
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| kulve | I think so | 10:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I have sent you an invitation again. | 10:11 |
| kulve | I think the camera is just a normal v4l2 device? | 10:11 |
| AStorm | v4l1 | 10:12 |
| X-Fade | The camera does v4l2.. | 10:12 |
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| AStorm | mhm, good | 10:13 |
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| AStorm | who cares anyway | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:14 |
| AStorm | it is in mainline | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | i remember having problems with cam interface.. | 10:14 |
| AStorm | (and linux-omap) | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | only mplayer ran fine on it so far.. | 10:14 |
| AStorm | yeah, the jamming :P | 10:14 |
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| AStorm | that's been fixed since | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | probably not everything is implemented | 10:14 |
| AStorm | nah | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: mainline == 2.6.24.x ? | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
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| AStorm | yup | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
| AStorm | but linux-omap is better | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | backport please. | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:15 |
| AStorm | dunno | 10:15 |
| AStorm | port it yourself | 10:15 |
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| KotCzarny | heh.. | 10:15 |
| AStorm | I still have to get the sources | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | kernel fun | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | though single file replace may work | 10:16 |
| AStorm | I want a new kernel | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | who knows | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:16 |
| AStorm | so, I want to know how to launch that wifi | 10:16 |
| AStorm | I can write a dbus-to-iwconfig bridge | 10:17 |
| AStorm | (and wpa_supplicant) | 10:17 |
| AStorm | have to know where to get that driver first though | 10:18 |
| Italodance | rhapsody is an online media player yes? only online or possible for our mmc cards too? | 10:22 |
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| Italodance | ????// | 10:24 |
| AStorm | forget about it | 10:24 |
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| AStorm | US only | 10:24 |
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| Italodance | AStorm US only? ummm what u mean? | 10:25 |
| Italodance | just play US stations? | 10:25 |
| X-Fade | Italodance: It is a subscription based service.. | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | Does anyone have the libapt-pkg-dev (>= 0.7.6). apt-get source keeps pulling me version 6. | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | Only available to US customers.. | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | Or do I build from original apt source? | 10:26 |
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| AStorm | hmmhmm | 10:37 |
| qwerty12 | Wish me luck, I'm probably gonna kill the apt on my device and need a reflash. | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, qwerty, did you know you can simply backup or clone? | 10:39 |
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| KotCzarny | (backup using mtdutils) | 10:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Ahh, that sounds useful :) | 10:39 |
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| KotCzarny | that will save you time reinstalling/reconfiguring everything | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | My computer/router has problems with SSH so I can't backup like that. | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | problems with ssh? | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | are you serious? | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, my router doesn't like it :P | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | Stays connecting forever and then never times out. | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | it's a simple tcp app | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like bitchy firewall | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | Over USB, I once got it to work but now it just refuses my connection. in 1 second. | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | blocking everything that's not port 80 | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:41 |
| qwerty12 | I configured the SSH ports :) but this router's pretty crap anyway. | 10:41 |
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| qwerty12 | But I've reflashed 3 times in 2 days. | 10:42 |
| icepolarpolar | hi may i ask if we have GTKTooltip in Maemo? | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | i can't imagine how crappy it must be | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | what's the model? | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | Very, in high network load, it reboots >.< | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | A linux based Netgear DG834GT | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | It's running modded firmware but it's still crap. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | no mods? | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | well | 10:43 |
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| KotCzarny | mod further! | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:43 |
| AStorm | hehehhe | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | It's been a long time since I built firmware for it :P | 10:43 |
| qwerty12 | I don't even remember how. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:43 |
| AStorm | I need to know what hack I need to drop onto umac.ko | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | save yourself troubles and add a switch before router? | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: cp ? | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:44 |
| AStorm | to make it work in 2.6.25 | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | insmod -f ? | 10:44 |
| AStorm | lol | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Hmm maybe, but it's overkill for SSH :) | 10:44 |
| AStorm | don't make me laugh | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:44 |
| AStorm | I said a mod | 10:44 |
| AStorm | prob. just version info? | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: but does it work with -f ? | 10:44 |
| AStorm | I don't have the kernel yet! | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:45 |
| AStorm | it will have been built with my arm crosscompiler | 10:45 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: still, you have usb/initfs rescue mode | 10:45 |
| AStorm | gcc 4.2.3 | 10:45 |
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| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, True :), but it keeps refusing my connection in 1 second >.< | 10:46 |
| AStorm | this might not work with umac.ko | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, Are you building a newer kernel for N8*0? | 10:46 |
| AStorm | tgrying | 10:46 |
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| KotCzarny | what kernel poky uses? | 10:46 |
| AStorm | would love more info | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | Does the Nokia Patch for the kernel apply onto the new kernel? | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: unlikely | 10:47 |
| AStorm | what patch? | 10:47 |
| AStorm | no patch needed | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | .17 and .25 are quite far away | 10:47 |
| AStorm | linux-omap branch has it all | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | .17 is ~1.5 years old | 10:47 |
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| qwerty12 | When you apt-get source, you get the original kernel but apt-source applies a patch for nokia2420_defconfig etc. | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | ah | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 10:47 |
| AStorm | I'm not sure about DSP though | 10:47 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: uhm... I can't get the source | 10:48 |
| AStorm | don't have the source url | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:48 |
| AStorm | gimme | 10:48 |
| qwerty12 | I've seen it somewhere. brb | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org/dist ? | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | repository.maemo.org | 10:48 |
| AStorm | maybe... | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | then look inside chinook/k/kernel | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 10:49 |
| AStorm | blah | 10:49 |
| AStorm | later | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 10:49 |
| AStorm | first I'll try a build | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz is the patch that is applied | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Without it, you get standard kernel. | 10:50 |
| AStorm | mhm | 10:50 |
| AStorm | good it's a diff | 10:50 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, you were very nearly right :P | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | if i knew the exact location i would paste it | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:50 |
| AStorm | anyway, it's linux-omap | 10:50 |
| AStorm | maybe with some minor mods | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Hehe, I was joking around :). I'm trying to get apt 7 to build. | 10:51 |
| AStorm | I'm only afraid that maemo drivers will hate the new gpio interface | 10:51 |
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| AStorm | introduced in 2.6.24 | 10:51 |
| AStorm | is mce open finally? | 10:52 |
| kulve | I dont think so | 10:52 |
| AStorm | blah | 10:52 |
| AStorm | so 8}ll have to reverse it | 10:52 |
| AStorm | simple though, it only asserts pins here and there | 10:53 |
| Italodance | where can i find languages for mdictionary? | 10:53 |
| AStorm | makes them avail to dbus | 10:53 |
| AStorm | I think retu is also supported in linux-omap | 10:55 |
| AStorm | so is tahvo | 10:55 |
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| AStorm | time to experiment then | 10:56 |
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| AStorm | linux-omap is indeed progressing fast | 10:59 |
| Italodance | http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/citrix-logon-small.png | 10:59 |
| Italodance | HUH!? | 10:59 |
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| AStorm | hehhehe | 10:59 |
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| AStorm | rdesktop | 11:00 |
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| AStorm | tsl2563 was recently added | 11:00 |
| AStorm | the light sensor | 11:00 |
| pupnik | cool, 4 NiMH D-cells could give 40,000 mAh | 11:01 |
| AStorm | huge and heavy | 11:02 |
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| pupnik | yeah that'd be like 2 weeks of full-day tablet power though | 11:02 |
| AStorm | you'd need a backpack for them | 11:02 |
| Italodance | Video center can play video/audio from mmc ? | 11:02 |
| AStorm | pupnik: sure | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | 2 weeks | 11:03 |
| pupnik | no, 4 D cells would fit into a sweatshirt pocket | 11:03 |
| AStorm | you only need 5V and about 800 mAh | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | or into sleeve | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:03 |
| Italodance | ? | 11:03 |
| AStorm | D? you mean 12 V | 11:03 |
| pupnik | no 1.25 v | 11:03 |
| AStorm | D... | 11:03 |
| AStorm | that isn't AAA? | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 11:04 |
| AStorm | or AA? | 11:04 |
| AStorm | show me one | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: to takie grubsze takie | 11:04 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: jak w latarkach np | 11:04 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: domyślam się | 11:04 |
| pupnik | http://www.laantec.de/product_info.php?products_id=300 | 11:04 |
| AStorm | you need at least four | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: 4xaa would be more convenient though | 11:05 |
| AStorm | and I don't know if they can sustain 800 mA current | 11:05 |
| pupnik | yeah. and i only have a charger for AA | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | and Ds are expensive like hell | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:05 |
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| KotCzarny | 4xD = 30EUR | 11:06 |
| AStorm | 8x AA could work I think | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | 8? 4 is enough | 11:06 |
| AStorm | w/o too much strain on them | 11:06 |
| AStorm | no, 4 won't sustain the current | 11:06 |
| AStorm | they'd fail | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 11:06 |
| pupnik | ? | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | digital cameras suck more | 11:07 |
| AStorm | yeah? 800 mA? | 11:07 |
| AStorm | please... | 11:07 |
| AStorm | sustained, not peak | 11:07 |
| AStorm | cams usually use about 100-200 mA | 11:07 |
| pupnik | why do the specs not tell me current capacity for these AAs | 11:08 |
| AStorm | even the flash, that is driven through a cap (in new cams) | 11:08 |
| AStorm | because no one knows :P | 11:08 |
| pupnik | but i like the idea of 8x | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | NiMH batteries are particularly advantageous for high current drain applications, due in large part to their low internal resistance. Alkaline batteries, which might have approximately 3000 mA·h capacity at low current demand (200 mA), will have less than 1000 mA·h capacity with a 1000 mA load. | 11:08 |
| AStorm | iti depends on heat dispersion | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_metal_hydride_battery | 11:08 |
| AStorm | yup | 11:08 |
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| AStorm | check charge current for a rough guide | 11:09 |
| pupnik | think two series of 4x would give enough voltage? | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | charge current is ~10% of capacity | 11:09 |
| AStorm | pupnik: one seeries | 11:09 |
| pupnik | for the 5v in | 11:09 |
| pupnik | well in parallel | 11:09 |
| AStorm | it'd give approx 5V | 11:09 |
| AStorm | no, in series | 11:09 |
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| AStorm | in parallel voltage stays the same | 11:10 |
| pupnik | (4 in series) x 2 | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | btw. someone in this chan tried misc voltages | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | so 4.8 may be too low | 11:10 |
| AStorm | really? | 11:10 |
| AStorm | unlikely | 11:10 |
| pupnik | if they drop to 1.2 volts at the end, then they'd only give 4.8 | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | i can't find the link | 11:10 |
| pupnik | yeah | 11:10 |
| AStorm | then use 5 | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | but the best would be to test | 11:10 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, do you have 5cell charger? | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:10 |
| AStorm | yup, we need that wimpy plug first | 11:10 |
| AStorm | sure | 11:11 |
| pupnik | o i have spare plugs | 11:11 |
| AStorm | broke as usual? | 11:11 |
| AStorm | (stupid Nokia, these plugs must be changed) | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: will you test it? | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: buy adapter | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | from new nokia plug to classic | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | they go ~1-2$ | 11:12 |
| AStorm | but the adapter will break too | 11:12 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:12 |
| AStorm | (at the tiny plug) | 11:12 |
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| KotCzarny | buy right-angle adapter | 11:12 |
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| KotCzarny | (harder to break) | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:12 |
| AStorm | woohoo, that's a good idea | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | and easier to use too | 11:12 |
| AStorm | and a 5V/900mA charger | 11:12 |
| AStorm | my current one is wimpy 650A | 11:13 |
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| AStorm | 650mA | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | hjehehehehe | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | 650A is not wimpy | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | (at 5V) | 11:13 |
| AStorm | haha | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:13 |
| AStorm | typo | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | typo that could kill | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:13 |
| AStorm | so, this only barely charges the battery | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | 'hey, this instruction says we need 650A' | 11:13 |
| AStorm | when N is in use | 11:14 |
| AStorm | fortunately, even though it's fairly overdriven, it works | 11:14 |
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| AStorm | :P | 11:14 |
| AStorm | and heats up less than AC-4e | 11:15 |
| AStorm | I'll build my own | 11:15 |
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| KotCzarny | In this area, NiMH batteries have a big advantage over alkalines, being able to deliver significantly more current. This makes them well suited to high-current devices like digital cameras. As mentioned above, early NiMH batteries could not supply as much current as NiCd batteries, but this is no longer the case, with NiMH having surpassed NiCd in this area. | 11:15 |
| AStorm | or buy new AC-8 | 11:15 |
| AStorm | mhm | 11:15 |
| KotCzarny | so your argument about not enough current is no longer valid | 11:15 |
| AStorm | so, we should use 5x NiMH | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/using_nimh.html#current | 11:16 |
| AStorm | either AA or AAA | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | or 5V and voltage regulator | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:16 |
| AStorm | AAA would give us about 5000 mAh | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | erm. 4.8V | 11:16 |
| AStorm | yup | 11:16 |
| AStorm | but such a regulator will be fun to find | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | we have to wait for pupnik tests first though | 11:17 |
| AStorm | why? | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: they are available as one chip solutions already | 11:17 |
| AStorm | I can build it just fine too :P | 11:17 |
| AStorm | such a weird stepup? | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: you have said you don't have the plugs :P | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 11:17 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: but I can get :P | 11:17 |
| AStorm | 5x NiMH will be heavy, but pocketable | 11:18 |
| AStorm | but 6V | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | i usually carry my backpack with me | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | so even small 12V akku would work | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:18 |
| AStorm | well, split the 4 AAA into two pockets and you won't notice | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | you will | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | (cables) | 11:19 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 11:19 |
| AStorm | thin | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | anyway | 11:19 |
| AStorm | 4000 mAh is more than enough | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | i'm curious if 4x nimh could drive a nokia | 11:19 |
| KotCzarny | (or charge) | 11:19 |
| AStorm | that gives two additional days | 11:19 |
| AStorm | charge, surely | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | Or buy something like this. Keeps you fit at the same time :) http://cgi.ebay.com/5-LED-Hand-Crank-Flashlight-FM-Torch-Emergency-Charger_W0QQitemZ350046414270QQihZ022QQcategoryZ60840QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122 | 11:20 |
| AStorm | drive, surely | 11:20 |
| * KotCzarny cranks x-fade up | 11:20 | |
| AStorm | drive+charge, not too sure | 11:20 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: lol | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | 'use that hand muscles boy!' | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | (or girl) | 11:20 |
| AStorm | you won't be able to generate enough current | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:21 |
| AStorm | use a knee servo instead | 11:21 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | i would love hydrogen power cells | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:21 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: too expensive | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | as anything at the beginning | 11:22 |
| AStorm | ethanol fuel cell fwit! | 11:22 |
| AStorm | or betgavoltaic battery | 11:22 |
| AStorm | *betavoltaic | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | Meh what about that urine powered battery :P | 11:22 |
| AStorm | nah, too small | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | and too smelly | 11:22 |
| AStorm | I'm absolutely positive that β-voltaic has too small current too | 11:23 |
| AStorm | but alcohol cold fuel cell... | 11:23 |
| AStorm | still, that's too large :P | 11:23 |
| pupnik | well i finally found a female-female USB-A adapter | 11:24 |
| qwerty12 | w00t, I got latest hildon app manager compiled! I;m gonna test it out. It's either gonna work or kill my tablet :P | 11:24 |
| AStorm | work | 11:24 |
| AStorm | I have one too | 11:24 |
| AStorm | you'll see missing strings probably | 11:25 |
| AStorm | :) | 11:25 |
| qwerty12 | Hopefully, I won't have to reflash :), Otherwise my 4th time in 2 days. | 11:26 |
| AStorm | ah, and add solar cells | 11:26 |
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| AStorm | hmm, N tells me only 4h on wifi | 11:27 |
| AStorm | wtf? | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | norm | 11:28 |
| AStorm | out of a fully charged | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | it's only an estimation | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | probably 100%cpu or something happened | 11:28 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. reboot) | 11:28 |
| AStorm | with 10 mA signal | 11:28 |
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| AStorm | nah, cpu usage is low | 11:28 |
| AStorm | and wifi power saving is active | 11:29 |
| AStorm | maybe something is waking cpu up needlessly | 11:29 |
| AStorm | xomap, hildon-desktop | 11:29 |
| AStorm | 10% cpu usage | 11:30 |
| AStorm | Top is eating more, lol | 11:30 |
| AStorm | (it's prob. 10% out of slowed down cpu | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | ARRGH! Why is the packing of application manager so BAD! | 11:31 |
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| AStorm | hehehehe | 11:31 |
| sarower | Hi, I want to use Open gl in maemomm application. | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | You won't believe the amount of problems I've had! :P | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | just don't use it | 11:32 |
| AStorm | I suspect the systray clock to take cpu | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:32 |
| sarower | any body there can help me regarding this | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | (qwerty) | 11:32 |
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| AStorm | sarower: nope, bad idea | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | All I want is the long version name fix and an update all button. | 11:32 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, :) | 11:32 |
| AStorm | sarower: there's no acceleration yet | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: remove offending package from the list | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:32 |
| sarower | which library it supports and how to set up the development environment | 11:32 |
| AStorm | sarower: other than that, use like in gtk | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's probably libvorbis or something | 11:33 |
| AStorm | sarower: it's mesa | 11:33 |
| AStorm | like in Linux (it is one) | 11:33 |
| sarower | ok.... but how i can do tis? | 11:33 |
| sarower | AStrom? | 11:33 |
| AStorm | use GLCanvas of GTK | 11:33 |
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| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I think you are right, I've got a nice script that removes the dependices from a control file. | 11:33 |
| sarower | AStrom: But i have heared that N800 has Open GL Support | 11:34 |
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| sarower | OpenGL ES | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | No drivers. | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. this guy again | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | No hardware acceleration support. | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | no matter how many times you repeat it | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | Most likely ever, | 11:34 |
| AStorm | sarower: no, it doesn't | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | rumors, yes, there are rumors | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | drivers for n8x0, no, no drivers in the wild | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | Well, TI has drivers.. | 11:34 |
| AStorm | TI not | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | But until Nokia pays them a lot of money, we don't get them.. | 11:35 |
| AStorm | the guys of powervr have | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | how much lot is a lot? | 11:35 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: thanks =) | 11:35 |
| AStorm | Nokia has them for Symbian | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: I don't know... | 11:35 |
| AStorm | note N95 | 11:35 |
| * RST38h found [the hard way] that ssh keys are tied to a particular machine | 11:35 | |
| X-Fade | There are drivers in the TI linux sdk.. | 11:35 |
| AStorm | lol | 11:35 |
| AStorm | X-Fade: 2D | 11:35 |
| X-Fade | But that is for an older kernel.. | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Speaking of powervr drivers, a different question; | 11:36 |
| AStorm | and that too | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Does anyone know where to find PowerVR instruction set description? | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | AStorm: I seem to recall that they were 3D. With sample applications.. | 11:36 |
| AStorm | RST38h: NDAized | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Is it publicly known or some kind of corporate secret? | 11:36 |
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| X-Fade | AStorm: But check the noBounds video. You can see 3D in action on the device. | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | not entirely true | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, I did it. I need a reflash. | 11:37 |
| AStorm | mhm | 11:37 |
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| KotCzarny | at least not until we get it in a downloadable version | 11:37 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: fail is you | 11:37 |
| AStorm | I didn't | 11:37 |
| AStorm | ok, tim e for lunch :P | 11:37 |
| * KotCzarny never had to reflash, yet | 11:37 | |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, lol. I get operation failed on opening and apt-worker binary is nowhere to be seen. | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, Do you mess around with your N800 as much as me? :P | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | i only flashed kernel once or twice and menuboot once | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: yes, even more | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:38 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe :D | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: why don't you play on mmcbooted os? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | it's easier to backup/restore | 11:39 |
| AStorm | qwerty12: you broke packaging | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | simple dd on the pc | 11:39 |
| AStorm | you win | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | My card's really crap. With 48Hz kernel, i/o errors all the way. | 11:39 |
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| qwerty12 | (KotCzarny) | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | then don't use 48MHz sd kernel | 11:39 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, probably. Ah well, I'll have to wait for diablo. | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, I like the the other stuff I get :) | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | you can disable this patch | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | Through make menuconfig? | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | through patch -R | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | or some editing | 11:40 |
| qwerty12 | I have Fanoush's mega patch :P | 11:41 |
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| KotCzarny | ask him to make it configurable | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:41 |
| qwerty12 | It would be nice to control it by something like sysctl. | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | tricky | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:41 |
| qwerty12 | Because I don't want to disable it for other cards that I may get. | 11:42 |
| AStorm | sysfs is easier | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | but probably doable | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | Actually come think of it, 48Hz isn't provided by fanoush, its by TI themselves. Fanoush's patch just uncomments. | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: ask fanoush very nice and maybe he will do it | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | 48MHz | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:42 |
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| AStorm | ask me very nice and I'll do it regardless | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | at 48Hz you would be reading at 6bytes/s | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | (or less) | 11:43 |
| qwerty12 | >.< | 11:43 |
| AStorm | but, gimme the sources first | 11:43 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: why? | 11:43 |
| AStorm | ah | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:43 |
| AStorm | it's 48MHz | 11:43 |
| AStorm | :P | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | Here's one patch: http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/0001-omap2-highspeed.diff | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | As you can see, it doesn't do much. | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: patch -R <patch-name | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | and you're done | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | -p1 switch can be needed too | 11:44 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, that patch is for older kernel :). fanoush updated it. But I guess I can do it by hand. | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | It's what I do with most troublesome patches. | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | just replace 48 with something lower | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:45 |
| qwerty12 | That's a nice idea, thanks :). | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | or comment out hispeed sd feature | 11:45 |
| * qwerty12 feels stupid now. | 11:45 | |
| KotCzarny | from the host capabilities | 11:45 |
| AStorm | or provide a sysctl | 11:46 |
| AStorm | uhm, sysfs | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | more work | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:46 |
| AStorm | to set the value | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, I think a sysctl would be nice though, I wouldn't have to run to kernel_flasher for highest speed. | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | But I don't have the knowledge. | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | no one is born with linux kernel knowledge | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | (yet) | 11:47 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://religiapokoju.blox.pl/resource/beijing_2008_new_logo.gif | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 11:48 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: sure | 11:49 |
| AStorm | but sysfs is easy | 11:49 |
| lardman | AStorm: I see your comments about PowerVR, yes the SDK drivers are for a different kernel, but the symbols are pretty similar, it's also for the omap2430, and it doesn't appear to do anything when loaded (after the symbols are fixed) | 11:49 |
| AStorm | read: fail? | 11:50 |
| AStorm | I think it's the lack of glx | 11:50 |
| AStorm | or dri | 11:50 |
| qwerty12 | I know you can mount initfs but is it possible to see the bootloader contents? | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | i think bootloader is binary blob | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | think: lilobootloader | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok thanks. I'm on the hunt for the green progress bar. | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | probably in initfs | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | there's app that simply draws the bar in 10s | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | Does initfs get mounted before flashing? | 11:52 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny, fb-progress | 11:53 |
| qwerty12 | But thats in rootfs. | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | and? | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Rootfs is getting flashed :P. But I think you are right, other files are too small. | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | I come out with the most pointless ideas, I'm gonna mount the initfs on my computer. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, you are talking about flashing progress? | 11:54 |
| qwerty12 | Yes. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i have never seen it | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, what about updating to OS2008? :P | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | my device already had os2008 | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:55 |
| sarower | KotCzarny: I am repeating it coz, I am trying to find any other people who may know this very well. Don't angry man...!!! | 11:55 |
| qwerty12 | Damn, I had to flash mine :) | 11:55 |
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| KotCzarny | sarowar: other people know what we know | 11:56 |
| lardman | AStorm: fail as in the proc entries are not created | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | and google too | 11:56 |
| sarower | Oh that may be... | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | but you're free to report back | 11:56 |
| sarower | but i did not know this.. that other people knows as you | 11:56 |
| AStorm | lardman: hmmm | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you had success | 11:56 |
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| KotCzarny | untill you find a working driver, no go | 11:57 |
| sarower | ok....... | 11:57 |
| lardman | AStorm: I started tracing the function calls to see if I could work out what was stopping things, but xmas got in the way and I've not got back to it yet | 11:57 |
| AStorm | mhm | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | darn, those xmas! | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:57 |
| AStorm | I'd love to see success there | 11:57 |
| lardman | :) | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | me too | 11:57 |
| AStorm | we could launch Quake2 them :P | 11:58 |
| lardman | AStorm: likewise, but that's only a part of it, there's an ARM-side link library and then the OpenGL library itself which would need to be implemented (getting a bit ahead of myself here!) | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can already launch Quake 2. | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | without optical trackpoint 3dgames are no fun | 11:58 |
| AStorm | ah yes, gimme a mouse driver | 11:59 |
| AStorm | usb + evdev will suffice for now | 11:59 |
| lardman | What I'd really like, is to hear definitively whether the PowerVR would be able to work. I'd like to know if the hold up is a licensing thing, or lack of man power, or a hardware limitation. | 11:59 |
| AStorm | bonus points for BT | 12:00 |
| AStorm | 1st | 12:00 |
| AStorm | and Nokia not willing to pay | 12:00 |
| kulve | lardman: ask that on the mailing list and put Quim as CC. Ask a short direct question and hope that you get a short direct answer ;) | 12:00 |
| AStorm | :) | 12:00 |
| AStorm | the hardware is capable | 12:01 |
| tank-man | KotCzarny, http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4894/058podborkazk3.jpg | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 12:01 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll ask him at LinuxTag | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you really be sure of that AStorm? | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, the bug needs pimping: Vote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: i have seen endgam3 | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | tank-man: i was just loling at the pic | 12:01 |
| lardman | AStorm: even the people wondering if it's not as easy as the ITs don't use the on-chip (OMAP) framebuffer, etc.? | 12:01 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you beat me to it | 12:02 |
| lardman | I'd like to know one way or another | 12:02 |
| AStorm | lardman: they do use the omapfb | 12:02 |
| AStorm | checked sysfs | 12:02 |
| AStorm | the driver is present and used | 12:02 |
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| lardman | this is beyond my expertise, too far into the hardware side. It may be that the name is misleading though... | 12:04 |
| AStorm | The chip has the PowerVR, but not an additional accel | 12:04 |
| AStorm | so it won't be great at 3D anyway | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: free cycles | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:04 |
| AStorm | cell phone 3D would work though | 12:04 |
| lardman | well we know there is an external LCD driver chip which contains a framebuffer, how the data are transferred to that I don't know | 12:04 |
| lardman | AStorm: the demos for the PowerVR MBX are pretty compelling, certainly not nvidia 8900 quality, but not too bad ;) | 12:05 |
| AStorm | the LCD framebuffer is automatic hardware | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quake 3 wouldn't be out of the question. | 12:05 |
| AStorm | synced with TI framebuffer | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | autonomic? :) | 12:05 |
| AStorm | so usual linux-omap works | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really not that worried about the support, I'm mostly interested in seeing any kind of answer at all. | 12:05 |
| AStorm | dunno | 12:06 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: voted | 12:06 |
| AStorm | yup | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 12:06 |
| glass | the powervr does pretty nice stuff on symbian with similar hw | 12:06 |
| lardman | ok, that's reasonable, in which case even less reason for it to not work | 12:06 |
| AStorm | glass: same hw | 12:06 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: hear hear | 12:06 |
| AStorm | not just similar | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Did you see that 'driver' that initialized the chip already? | 12:06 |
| lardman | X-Fade: not, what's that? | 12:06 |
| glass | AStorm: except for the lcd driver part | 12:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of the Symbian hardware is driving a panel this big, though, AStorm. | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So not ENTIRELY the same. ;) | 12:07 |
| AStorm | glass: including :) | 12:07 |
| glass | yeah.. e90 is almost as big but not as big | 12:07 |
| glass | resolutionwise | 12:07 |
| AStorm | the LCD framebuffer is also external there | 12:07 |
| AStorm | and also synced in hw | 12:07 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Let me see if I can find it. A #maemo regular made it.. | 12:08 |
| AStorm | they get double buffering for free | 12:08 |
| lardman | X-Fade: cool :) | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | Now I only need to remember who it was :) | 12:09 |
| pupnik | i'd like demo code that shows me how to get synched updates (pixel-doubled) | 12:09 |
| lardman | pupnik: talk to ssvb? | 12:09 |
| pupnik | i should. yeah.. | 12:09 |
| lardman | X-Fade: how long ago was this? | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | lardman: A month ago orso? | 12:10 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ok, I was away on holiday which might explain why I missed it | 12:10 |
| X-Fade | I think it was pH5 that created it.. | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: http://de.pastebin.ca/946765 | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | He at least found some registers.. | 12:12 |
| lardman | cool, will take a look see | 12:12 |
| lardman | looking at the dates on those patches, I wonder if this implies that things are being added....? | 12:13 |
| lardman | or did they come from somewhere else? | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | He reversed the blob, I think.. | 12:14 |
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| AStorm | I'd love to get video pins out of N810 | 12:15 |
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| AStorm | you know, the chip supports quite high res | 12:15 |
| GAN800 | VGA, you mean? :P | 12:16 |
| AStorm | yeah | 12:17 |
| AStorm | N800 had it, right? | 12:17 |
| AStorm | so me adapter | 12:17 |
| AStorm | *some | 12:17 |
| GAN800 | There's another controller in the for QVGA, too, no? | 12:17 |
| AStorm | LCD controller | 12:17 |
| AStorm | yup | 12:17 |
| GAN800 | They're the same hardware. | 12:17 |
| AStorm | exactly | 12:18 |
| AStorm | but there's no port in N810 | 12:18 |
| AStorm | space constraints and all | 12:18 |
| GAN800 | There is on the N800? | 12:18 |
| AStorm | let me check | 12:18 |
| qwerty12 | Quick question, in OS2008 is /etc/init.d/rcS executed upon boot? | 12:18 |
| GAN800 | I'd like to see somebody hook up the TV out. | 12:19 |
| GAN800 | What sort of 'port'? | 12:19 |
| AStorm | GAN800: vga | 12:19 |
| AStorm | it has one | 12:19 |
| AStorm | for a VGA dongle | 12:19 |
| GAN800 | Er, where? | 12:19 |
| AStorm | look around | 12:20 |
| GAN800 | There's a 3.5mm, a power, a usb and serial and another usb-thing. | 12:20 |
| AStorm | no | 12:20 |
| GAN800 | There's no vga port. | 12:20 |
| AStorm | it's not USB | 12:21 |
| AStorm | it's a port for VGA dongle | 12:21 |
| GAN800 | Erm | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Video-out is rumoured to be connected in the 3.5mm jack ;) | 12:22 |
| GAN800 | You want to back that up? | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | Just like the N95.. | 12:22 |
| GAN800 | @astorm | 12:22 |
| AStorm | GAN800: trying | 12:22 |
| lardman | Good skills, a company has released a flac codec for the dsp: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-flac/ | 12:23 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, make mine work. :P | 12:23 |
| lardman | ixonos to be exact | 12:23 |
| GAN800 | Neat stuff. | 12:23 |
| qwerty12 | brilliant | 12:23 |
| AStorm | wheee | 12:23 |
| AStorm | great | 12:23 |
| lardman | They have some parts of an ogg codec, the imdct stuff which mine is missing | 12:24 |
| lardman | so a collaboration looks good | 12:24 |
| AStorm | now there will be use for 32G cards | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Heh, I have approved that project this morning ;) | 12:24 |
| GAN800 | Why did Nokia ship with more DSP codec support? | 12:24 |
| AStorm | didn't, you mean? | 12:24 |
| GAN800 | s/did/didn't/ | 12:24 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Why didn't Nokia ship with more DSP codec support? | 12:24 |
| AStorm | because they had time and money constraints | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | And liability.. | 12:25 |
| GAN800 | Seems like there'd be less effort involved if they have all the right tools. | 12:25 |
| AStorm | well. rewriting OGG to DSP would be fun | 12:25 |
| lardman | X-Fade: same company? | 12:25 |
| lardman | AStorm: much of it is already done, in garage | 12:25 |
| pupnik | ty for that link lardman | 12:25 |
| kulve | now, how do I add a support for flac/dsp in ogg-support.. | 12:25 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: troubles mixing email names and irc nicks, appologies for spelling your forename wrongly ;) | 12:26 |
| pupnik | never heard of Ixonos before | 12:26 |
| AStorm | lardman: for some reason, it doesn't work in canola :P | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | lardman: No, this exact project. I was just amazed how quick they updated it. | 12:26 |
| AStorm | they have filed a bug | 12:26 |
| lardman | AStorm: what doesn't? | 12:26 |
| AStorm | ogg | 12:26 |
| lardman | pupnik: they are a Symbian house, branching out | 12:26 |
| AStorm | they fixed the scanner, yet it still doesn't | 12:27 |
| lardman | AStorm: it's in garage, I didn't say it was complete | 12:27 |
| pupnik | have you looked at their source? | 12:27 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, I'm used to that. Don't worry about it.. | 12:27 |
| lardman | pupnik: not yet, they just sent me the email | 12:27 |
| AStorm | pupnik: no | 12:27 |
| lardman | AStorm: your (and everyone else's) help appreciated :) | 12:27 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ah, the Garage project, sorry bit slow this morning | 12:28 |
| AStorm | lardman: what needs to be done? (aside from major debugging) | 12:28 |
| lardman | AStorm: the debugging is probably not too major, the main missing parts are the imdct code | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah. | 12:28 |
| lardman | AStorm: I hope anyway | 12:28 |
| AStorm | lardman: btw, I'll try to bring Gentoo to IT | 12:28 |
| lardman | AStorm: If I can just use those it will mean far less work for me to do (yay!) | 12:29 |
| AStorm | mad project, eh? | 12:29 |
| kulve | 15M dsp-flac-0.0.1 | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | But it is really a good thing that people other than Nokia are creating these dsp tasks.. | 12:29 |
| lardman | this bloody ogg project has dragged on for far to long | 12:29 |
| AStorm | the DSP docs are under NDA for stupidity reasons | 12:29 |
| AStorm | I'd love to read them | 12:29 |
| kulve | AStorm: what DSP docs? | 12:30 |
| lardman | AStorm: there is lots of publically available infomation, certianly enough to do everything but access the BT hw on the DSP side | 12:30 |
| AStorm | asm | 12:30 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:30 |
| lardman | no, the asm stuff is freely available | 12:30 |
| AStorm | btw, is BT supported in linux-omap? | 12:30 |
| AStorm | lardman: linky? | 12:30 |
| kulve | AStorm: only the n8x0 dsp audio API is closed | 12:30 |
| AStorm | ahha! | 12:30 |
| lardman | AStorm: looking | 12:30 |
| AStorm | still not bad | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | "libFLAC is compiled with CFLAGS=-DFLAC__INTEGER_ONLY_LIBRARY and --disable-ogg" | 12:31 |
| lardman | and even that would probably be hackable with a little work | 12:31 |
| AStorm | then we can just skip the audio api and do it on our own | 12:31 |
| lardman | it's mainly on the ARM, with some processing done on the DSP | 12:31 |
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| lardman | AStorm: you'd need to recompile the DSP kernel as you'd need to write the audio codec, which is probably not too bad, but we'd lose all the Nokia stuff | 12:32 |
| AStorm | why would I? | 12:32 |
| lardman | AStorm: you need a codec driver to get audio output | 12:32 |
| AStorm | I can dl the data processed by dsp and send it the old-fashioned way | 12:32 |
| AStorm | still fast | 12:33 |
| lardman | oh yes you can certainly do that | 12:33 |
| lardman | that's what my ogg task does atm (once it can correctly decode the stream that is ;) ) | 12:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:33 |
| AStorm | right now it's just tremor, right? | 12:33 |
| lardman | what do you mean? | 12:34 |
| lardman | ah yes, just the vorbis decoder/tremor | 12:34 |
| lardman | no video | 12:34 |
| AStorm | I mean the working codec | 12:34 |
| AStorm | (sans DSP) | 12:34 |
| lardman | on ARM, yes both vorbis and tremor work, tremor is faster | 12:34 |
| AStorm | it's quite fast too, even w/o dsp code | 12:35 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:35 |
| AStorm | even vs vorbis on vfp? | 12:35 |
| AStorm | well, I could check myself :) | 12:36 |
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| lardman | tremor is still faster | 12:36 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:36 |
| lardman | take a look on the mailing list, i did some comparisons | 12:36 |
| AStorm | which list? | 12:36 |
| lardman | maemo-developers | 12:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | How tied into the PowerVR is the IVA stuff? | 12:37 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:37 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: very | 12:37 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: I think they are separate blocks of hw | 12:37 |
| AStorm | at least v1 | 12:37 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: hmm, I thought not at all, more tied into the DSP | 12:38 |
| AStorm | kulve: not v1 | 12:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2v1 | 12:38 |
| lardman | certainly if you look at the latest dspgateway patches it;s been changed to be able to send tasks to the IVA too | 12:38 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:38 |
| lardman | there is just no IVA 'kernel', assuming that's what it needs | 12:38 |
| AStorm | which is excellent | 12:38 |
| lardman | there is little information about what the IVA actually consists of, I would like to know more really | 12:39 |
| AStorm | exactly, the firmware for opengl isn't loaded | 12:39 |
| AStorm | blah, bat. says 1h | 12:39 |
| lardman | AStorm: you are sure the two are linked together...? | 12:39 |
| AStorm | damnit :) | 12:39 |
| AStorm | lardman: they are | 12:39 |
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| AStorm | through the framebuffer | 12:39 |
| lardman | what do you do, what is your bg (out of interest)? | 12:40 |
| AStorm | lardman: I'm studying | 12:40 |
| AStorm | into embedded hw | 12:40 |
| lardman | do you happen to have the omap2420 manual? | 12:40 |
| AStorm | can't get a copy of it | 12:41 |
| lardman | no, I've also tried | 12:41 |
| AStorm | we do have one for an older chip | 12:41 |
| AStorm | but NDA | 12:41 |
| lardman | 1710? | 12:41 |
| AStorm | yes | 12:41 |
| lardman | not so relevant I don't think, no PowerVR anyway afaicr | 12:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish TI would get with the times and stop being a big stinker. | 12:41 |
| AStorm | what I know is that IVA is very much like the newest nvidia chips | 12:42 |
| AStorm | a stream processor | 12:42 |
| kulve | AStorm: iva1? | 12:42 |
| lardman | Though the IVA is linked to the PowerVR via the framebuffer, I don't think the two run with the same code. My impression is that the IVA is a separate core into which one loads a "kernel" and tasks. | 12:42 |
| AStorm | exactly | 12:42 |
| AStorm | because it is a stream processor | 12:42 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:42 |
| lardman | in which case it's like the DSP | 12:42 |
| lardman | as the DSP is run in the same way | 12:42 |
| AStorm | mhm, good to know | 12:43 |
| AStorm | thus, if we know how to get code onto it... | 12:43 |
| AStorm | free cycles! | 12:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like it's capable of decent h.264 decoding, too. | 12:43 |
| AStorm | bonus: it's supposed to run shaders quite fast | 12:43 |
| lardman | well the infrastructure is there in dspgateway, there is simply no information about what to run on it | 12:43 |
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| AStorm | we could try to make gallium work... | 12:44 |
| lardman | i.e. we don't even know what sort of processor it has, though i have read rumours of an ARM9 core | 12:44 |
| AStorm | arm9? unlikely :P | 12:44 |
| lardman | cheap though | 12:44 |
| AStorm | but I don't know | 12:44 |
| lardman | but as I said, simply a rumour | 12:44 |
| AStorm | heheh | 12:44 |
| lardman | no substantiation and not from an authoratitive source, etc., so forget I said it | 12:45 |
| AStorm | it's always best to check | 12:45 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes, would help with video decoding certainly | 12:45 |
| AStorm | now, I have to get OMAP breadboard | 12:45 |
| lardman | The IVA is presumably used on the Sumbian devices, how much of the filesystem can one see on these phones? Would it be possible to look for IVA tasks & kernel, etc.? | 12:46 |
| AStorm | prob. expensive | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Underutilized hardware is a sad thing indeed. | 12:46 |
| AStorm | lardman: hmmm... | 12:46 |
| AStorm | I'll buy a phone and see | 12:46 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: But if it all worked out of the box I'd be bored pretty soon ;) | 12:46 |
| AStorm | but that's later | 12:46 |
| AStorm | lardman: heheehhe | 12:47 |
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| AStorm | I suspect N900 will have 3D | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We should at least be able to rob stuff from the Pandora guys for the N900 if Nokia doesn't give it to us. | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Are there any other Linux devices out there on OMAP2? | 12:48 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: does the pandora have sw support for the 3d? | 12:48 |
| AStorm | I don't think so. | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | They say it's gonna have OpenGL 2.0 | 12:48 |
| AStorm | I mean, about other devices | 12:48 |
| keesj | I think the powerVR chip are used all over the place | 12:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | They are. | 12:49 |
| AStorm | ARM isn't that widely used. | 12:49 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: doesn't they say that they have HW support for it.. Which is exactly what n810 has now.. | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're kidding, right, AStorm? | 12:49 |
| AStorm | keesj: but under Symbian | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM ships 3+ billion a year. :P | 12:49 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: but not under Linux! | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, fine. :P | 12:49 |
| AStorm | get a washing mashine with ARM8 :P | 12:50 |
| AStorm | some routers have them too | 12:50 |
| AStorm | (but most have MIPS) | 12:50 |
| kulve | what's arm8? | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | rl | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | One less than arm9! | 12:51 |
| AStorm | kulve: armv8 | 12:51 |
| AStorm | the old | 12:51 |
| kulve | ARMv7 is the newest | 12:51 |
| AStorm | armv7 is even more popular | 12:51 |
| kulve | that's arm7, not armv7 | 12:51 |
| AStorm | kulve: beat me to it | 12:51 |
| AStorm | ah, righ | 12:51 |
| AStorm | *right | 12:52 |
| AStorm | confused myself again | 12:52 |
| AStorm | api vs cpu :P | 12:52 |
| AStorm | should've picked diff names | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that'd be no fun. | 12:52 |
| kulve | there are arm7 (armv4?), arm9 (armv5), arm11 (armv6) and cortex (armv7) | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cortex stuff is haaawt | 12:53 |
| AStorm | hacking into your microwave would be fun | 12:53 |
| girigiri | Here comes my first IRC msg using pidgin on N810: Life is life! I have two arms - how to find out the version/modelnumber? | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cut them off, count the rings. | 12:53 |
| AStorm | girigiri: what? | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | girigiri, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Try this, too. :D | 12:53 |
| AStorm | yeah, it rocks | 12:53 |
| AStorm | and wait until I build a newer v. | 12:53 |
| AStorm | :) | 12:54 |
| AStorm | (and hildonize it some more) | 12:54 |
| AStorm | just the scrolling, really | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd like to be able to turn off the statusbar applet. | 12:54 |
| girigiri | Ok - I'll wait :) | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, get it now. :P | 12:55 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: tray? it's in the prefs | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it really? | 12:55 |
| AStorm | yeah, get it | 12:55 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: sure | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been through them somewhere around a dozen times and never seen it. <_< | 12:55 |
| AStorm | it's the damned tray icon | 12:55 |
| AStorm | in Alerts tab | 12:56 |
| AStorm | ok, bbl | 12:56 |
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| GAN800 | ah, right-o. | 12:56 |
| girigiri | I did it - counted the rings. Result= 0. Is this bad? | 12:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, but I'd find yourself a doctor real soon. :P | 12:58 |
| girigiri | Oh, I didn't have to cut off the arms to count the rings. Will adding rings from beercans upgrade my arms? | 13:00 |
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| girigiri | Added USB keyb. Am I still connected? | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | no | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | you're already in a dream world | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | (where all keyboards are having fun) | 13:07 |
| girigiri | Ok COOL, this works betten than anticipated | 13:08 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 13:09 |
| girigiri | Got to go back to wrk ... Bye | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | hI | 13:09 |
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| keesj | winnuke 127.0.0.1 | 13:11 |
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| lardman | and there was I hoping we'd have a working powervr driver by now ;) | 13:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We do, but we all agreed not to share it with you. :P | 13:19 |
| lardman | :D | 13:21 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you up early or didn't go to bed? | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | My sleep schedule is entirely screwed up this week. | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Powering through a bunch of projects for the end of the semester. | 13:22 |
| lardman | ah, fair enough | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got about 2 hours. <_< | 13:22 |
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| lardman | interesting: http://www.stampede.org/~lethal/resume.txt | 13:31 |
| lardman | namely this part: "Developed loader for TI DOFF (dynamic COFF) used by OMAP2420 IVA." | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 13:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too bad Jaffa can't make LinuxTag. | 13:34 |
| lardman | yeah, means you might have to hear me talk | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You and lcuk need to put together a PowerVR riot. | 13:36 |
| lardman | well they are asking about the future of maemo.... | 13:37 |
| lardman | :) | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if milhouse just couldn't attend or what. :\ | 13:37 |
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| lardman | http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2006-December/008591.html | 13:42 |
| lardman | So presumably Nokia have such a beast | 13:42 |
| lardman | (from the resume earlier) | 13:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If only they'd be kind enough to bless us with it. | 13:49 |
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| lardman | We'd need a toolchain too | 13:50 |
| lardman | and that would probably need to come from Ti as was the case with the DSP toolchain | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, lol at the resume | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | lardman, references: "Consider grep and a kernel tree near you." | 13:53 |
| lardman | :) | 13:54 |
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| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sprufa3a/sprufa3a.pdf looks like there's some related info, for the omap35xx | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, usb host mode power is fun.. Check what I found out on planet.maemo.org :) | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 13:55 |
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| qwerty12 | Reminds me of the time I connected a subwoofer to itself... | 13:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Is the only difference between the 34xx and the 35xx lot sizes? | 13:58 |
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| lardman | strange there's so much info available for it (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments), but not much for the 2420 | 13:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, weird. | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | are my ears burning? | 14:06 |
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| lardman | almost certainly | 14:06 |
| lcuk | you comin to linuxtag as well then? | 14:06 |
| lardman | yep | 14:06 |
| lcuk | excellent :D | 14:07 |
| lcuk | hopefully we shall get time to hammer something out | 14:07 |
| lardman | something out ... of the Nokians there?! ;) | 14:07 |
| lcuk | or are you gonna speak and run | 14:07 |
| lardman | I'll speak, but will be around for that day at least | 14:07 |
| lardman | and will be in Berlin anyway, so can meet up whenever if something's arranged, etc. | 14:08 |
| lcuk | im hoping to stay and take in as much as i can - theres just too much about this "linux" thing that i still dont know so i'll try and put use the time as well as possible | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I'll try to setup a get together in Berlin. | 14:08 |
| lardman | I'd be interested to stay, but not sure the gf will be too pleased with that :) | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/tablet-heart-web-browser-part-i/ | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting stuff there. | 14:09 |
| lardman | X-Fade: sounds good | 14:09 |
| lcuk | quim said he will post on dev list when we get some travel arrangements | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rewriting the browser plugin to do that doesn't seem entirely unfeasible. | 14:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, so on the pvr/iva front you havent found anything? (i've concentrated on getting 800*480YUV mode graphics as nice as possible and am running out of places to get more from | 14:11 |
| lcuk | get more bandwidth from ^ | 14:11 |
| lcuk | you have working dsp code around somewhere don't you? | 14:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: I've not had a chance to look at the kernel driver more, been away on holiday and been busy since i got back | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | as we allo have | 14:11 |
| lardman | yeah, I need to crack on and finish the tremor-on-dsp stuff really | 14:11 |
| lcuk | supposing that pvr is out of range (and hence the iva as well) i would like to try using the dsp as a blitter | 14:12 |
| lardman | ah, well that's fine. I'm also part way though creating a task to scale and colorspace convert video for ssvb | 14:12 |
| lcuk | scaling? which part needs scaling? xv takes yuv at any scale and can display at fullscreen or windowed? | 14:13 |
| lcuk | ie given 640*480 it auto scales to fullscreen | 14:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: when you blit from the dsp it goes straight to the framebuffer | 14:13 |
| lardman | or do you mean the lcd controller will scale? | 14:14 |
| kulve | in the current xomap I think the xv does the scaling using the lcd controller | 14:14 |
| lardman | I think the point was to scale to some format that the lcd controller can handle (talking about the 770 here, the n8x0 will do arbitrary sizes i know) | 14:15 |
| lardman | yeah sorry, this was aimed mainly at the 770 | 14:15 |
| lcuk | if you allocate and map an xv window at 400*480 (or anything else) then render it there is no internmediate memory copies, the data at original resolution is sent over the bus to the lcd. the lcd then scales it internally | 14:15 |
| lcuk | ahhh right.. makes sense now | 14:15 |
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| lardman | now, I can't remember if I got DSP->framebuffer working or not.... | 14:16 |
| lardman | for the N8x0 | 14:16 |
| lardman | it certainly works on the 770 | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i just need some code so i can emulate Agnus (amiga blitter chip) ;) | 14:17 |
| lcuk | actually, if you arent too busy in the next couple of days i could do with a word about cpu scaling. | 14:18 |
| lardman | cpu freq or scaling images? | 14:19 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/ oh well perhaps I did get it working on the N8x0 | 14:19 |
| lardman | framebuffer_test* | 14:19 |
| lcuk | freq, without going into detail: i optimised function and now it clocks itself back down and runs slower. when i double the workload it kicks up to fullspeed and runs faster than when it was doing half the work. any idea how to nice my process up (i tried nice and upping priority) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you are unlikely to be able to use DSP for Agnus simulation | 14:20 |
| lcuk | i manage it if i set the ondemand thing to performance, but its root access and i dont wanna play with peoples global battery settings | 14:21 |
| lardman | I don't know all that much about it I'm afraid, but you could change the governor temporarily to stop it clocking back | 14:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i dont mean proper bitplane stuff - ive just got bytes i need putting from one place to another | 14:21 |
| lardman | ah | 14:21 |
| lcuk | yer, if i go altering their settings globally and then crash out for some reason it will remain in the higher mode which i dont want | 14:22 |
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| lardman | yes, I can see that might be a problem | 14:22 |
| lcuk | i'll have to make sure quim brings some diablo test machines with him | 14:22 |
| lardman | :) | 14:23 |
| lcuk | there are meant to be changes | 14:23 |
| lardman | there are presumably ways to sort that out, but all would require changes (i.e to the governor to allow short term boosting or to change the operating method, etc.) | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | i think the nearest/cleanest way would be small wrapper script which ups/downs the governor on start/shutdown. even in the main program crashes the script should continue | 14:24 |
| lcuk | but i have code which looks really dreamy - fullscreen flicker free screolling and updating at 800*480, but as i say its only when the cpu is at full speed. | 14:25 |
| lcuk | mplayer doesnt have this problem because its constantly reading from disk and using the dsp and stuff | 14:26 |
| lcuk | actually - ^^^ that you posted dsp code up there - ill take a look, all along kotz has been saying kick the dsp in it keeps the cpu at full | 14:26 |
| lcuk | might kill 2 birds with one stone | 14:26 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | not entirely true | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:27 |
| lardman | no, with the dsp running it goes to fiull speed and the arm is scaled back | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | on stock kernel it's 330/220 | 14:27 |
| lardman | has someone decoupled them then? | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | with a patched kernel it can be 400/133 | 14:28 |
| lardman | ah good | 14:28 |
| lcuk | it might be enough though. especially if i can make the screen say ouch when i poke it with a stylus ;) | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: it's a trivial patch | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: replacing one array with another | 14:28 |
| lcuk | patching the kernel is not the thing a normal user should be expected to do - this might change once we get incrimental updates | 14:28 |
| lcuk | (hi kot btw) | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | (hi hi) | 14:29 |
| lardman | unfortunately the dsp load stats are pretty rubbish (in my experience anyway), it would be interesting to know how much overhead the dsp has at 133MHz | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: plays mp3, that's for sure :) | 14:29 |
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| lardman | well that's good enough, I wonder if the kernel patch will be included for the Diablo | 14:30 |
| lcuk | have you got an air raid siren in your room? ***AWOOOGA AWOOOGA* INTERNET DISCUSSION CALLING *** | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: also as astorm found out, it could be nice to renice Xomap to 0 from -1 | 14:30 |
| lardman | oh, I didn't see that, my history is very short | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: i don't know, do they know/plan anything in this case? | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: ahm, not, i was just lurking | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | (while slapping edea) | 14:31 |
| lardman | it would be better for video playing and using a gstreamer dsp backend (or hacked dsp backend with mplayer for example) | 14:31 |
| lardman | but I don't know either | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: yes, i know, that's why i hacked it in for me, and it works beautifully | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | though mplayer has issues | 14:32 |
| lardman | IVA! | 14:32 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | i hope ssvb resolves it some day.. | 14:32 |
| KotCzarny | lardman: renicing xomap helps with sound stutter on matchbox activity | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:33 |
| lcuk | lardman, have you found that the ive is like the appendix on the 2420, there isnt much info available but it would be very useful for 3d gfx | 14:33 |
| lardman | Ah, ok, has someone added a bug for that? | 14:33 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know | 14:33 |
| lardman | lcuk: not 3D, but for video accel so i understand | 14:33 |
| lcuk | iva ^ | 14:33 |
| lcuk | god im using vnc on a bad kb - i meant 2d of course | 14:34 |
| * lcuk slaps his forehead | 14:34 | |
| lardman | I posted a pdf link a bit earlier to the IVA2.2 info for the omap35xx | 14:34 |
| lcuk | ill read on scrollback later on - its painful rolling backwards from here | 14:35 |
| lardman | there's also a link on the Ti website about the PowerVR SGX | 14:35 |
| lcuk | damn, gotta dash back to work | 14:35 |
| lcuk | cyas later | 14:35 |
| lardman | From here http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:35 |
| lardman | bye lcuk | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | As for the ARM11, said Gerard Andrews, TI's OMAP marketing manager, said, "Our benchmarks show that the 35xx can offer twice the processing power as an ARM11 at the same clock speed." | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope that pans out. | 14:38 |
| lardman | Well it has a Cortex + 2x DSP so one would hope so... :) | 14:38 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: I think it does | 14:38 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: and I think there will be more MHz too | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | A ~600MHz Cortex A8 is gonna be a force of nature. | 14:38 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: I have one at the office ;) | 14:39 |
| lardman | What's the power consumption like? | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be the same when everything said and done. | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least according to the information I've seen. | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to explain what "ball-pitch" is? | 14:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | The webernet is failing me here. | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's like ball -- pin | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | pitch is simply distance between them | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | so ball-pitch is pin density | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | (more or less) | 14:42 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: http://www.openomap.org/ | 14:43 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: you can buy an omap3 already :) | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I's got nuthing to puts it in, though. | 14:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right-o. | 14:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That'd be N900 money. :D | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | I think we would need to see a Nokia phone with omap3 first. And I don't think I have seen one yet? | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Before we see the N900? | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I think they sell more phones than tablets. So that would be logical? | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | When was the first OMAP2 phone out? | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | N73 ? | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | N800 and N810 are basically a N95 without the 5MPix camera.. | 14:49 |
| |zeus| | huh? | 14:49 |
| |zeus| | what about display? | 14:50 |
| playya__ | and without a gsm/umts stack | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | "basically" ;) | 14:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/swpu114g.pdf | 14:50 |
| kulve | X-Fade: and without the gsm stuff .. and yes | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | I don't know what the N96 uses? | 14:50 |
| lardman | and without the video acceleration and 3D accel too... :) | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | If that one uses omap3... | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Well, it is there in hardware ;) | 14:51 |
| lardman | ah yes | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | I'm sure you could run symbian on the tablets ;) | 14:51 |
| kulve | but if the cpu is the same, it doesn't mean the whole hw is the same.. There's wlan, bluetooth, power management, mmc/sd, etc.. | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Designing hardware is expensive. It makes sense to just adapt an existing design a bit.. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Hence the lcd problems.. | 14:53 |
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| kulve | X-Fade: at least it might make sense ;) | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | and drivers problems.. | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Just slap on a bigger display didn't seem to work properly.. | 14:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd hope with Step 5 | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | But at least the omap3 should be able to directly work with a bigger display.. | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | we get a bit more resources. | 14:54 |
| kulve | X-Fade: it seems to push at least 1280x720 :) | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That would be at least 2 years at the current rate.. | 14:54 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: that is what we need for the 2420 | 14:54 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: the TRM that is | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | kulve: I would guess the 1024 display would be more likely.. | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | 1024x600 orso? | 14:55 |
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| kulve | X-Fade: what about external displays? | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1024x768 is what the OMAP3430 pushes. | 14:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With another 640x480 controller. | 14:55 |
| Khertan | hi again ... | 14:55 |
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| X-Fade | kulve: Well there is the video-out framebuffer? | 14:55 |
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| kulve | e.g. that zoommdk has DVI-D output | 14:56 |
| lcuk | quick poll: laptop for developing code in fulltime linux: cheap normal type laptop, or eee | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Yeah, the beagleboard has it too.. | 14:57 |
| lcuk | (im going buying in a couple of hours) | 14:57 |
| kulve | lcuk: the eee's keyboard is *small*.. | 14:57 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, old thinkpads have perfect kb | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Normal, lcuk. | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | ok, driver situation - not interested in 3d, but if i get something with intel chipset i should be ok ? | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Sure.. | 14:58 |
| lcuk | i dont wanna get money and then be stuck with windows. last lap i got i couldnt get all drivers properly | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | buy one with 30day money back guarantee | 14:59 |
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| KotCzarny | or just ask seller if you can bring the lappy back in a day or two | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:00 |
| lcuk | ill buy one with a full guarantee but i didnt like the idea of shelling out windows tax. i kinda like my linux now.. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't worry, the crapware subsidizes the hardware. :P | 15:00 |
| johnx | if you buy it in a real brick+mortar store you can bring a live cd to try | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 15:00 |
| lcuk | good point john, thanks ill take ubuntu from here :) | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | if you're adventurous you can try 'ask the oem for windows refund' | 15:01 |
| Cptn-N800 | Greetings people | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | someone made a photo of denying m$ licence during first boot | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | then asked oem how much is windows copy worth | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | then asked for a refund | 15:02 |
| lcuk | my dad is buying it for me so im n ot gonna rock the boat | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:02 |
| sarower | <lcuk: What ur father is going to buy? | 15:02 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> i ve uploaded a new version of the package HomeIP (0.0.5) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i told him i needed a cheap laptop to use for linuxtag (i would normally get my own stuff, but we have a holiday to save for next month) | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: And? Did it work? :) | 15:03 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> i hope :) | 15:03 |
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| sarower | Luck: Do u know how to use open gl in maemo | 15:04 |
| Khertan | X-Fade> dsc wasn't signed correctly as there was cache for the content :) | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, you need to make a harness for the N810 + Model M. | 15:04 |
| sarower | i am a maemo developer | 15:04 |
| lcuk | Sargun, yes, slowly | 15:04 |
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| Khertan | signed was ok ... md5 wasn't | 15:04 |
| Khertan | as i made md5 before sign ... | 15:05 |
| Khertan | now it should be ok | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Nope, it is broken.. | 15:05 |
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| X-Fade | The md5sum of your .dsc file in the .changes file doesn't match.. | 15:05 |
| Khertan | but i ven't test md5 as md5 cmd line isn't available on the device | 15:05 |
| Khertan | argggggg | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | 13f30065a71a8ac822e9f98235424899 244 user/other extras-devel homeip-0.0.5.dsc | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | md5sum homeip-0.0.5.dsc | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | 05687acd6cf3a37127b1f1ab0ffacbc7 homeip-0.0.5.dsc | 15:06 |
| Khertan | sorry to disturb you again x-fade ... | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | Different :) | 15:06 |
| Khertan | it s seems :) | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | one little bit.. | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | no one should notice! | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | hehe someone tried to inject some evil code, I think :) | 15:06 |
| Khertan | lol ... | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | and got caught in the process | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | back later again.. | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | k k | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | i should go too | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | few more days without sleep and i will die | 15:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:10 |
| hrw | is there stable way to get n8x0 connect to BT-PAN? | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/51,80273,5121316.html | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 15:13 |
| hrw | maemo-pan package (which is another ugly out-of-any-repo package) makes my n810 reboot | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine for me | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno of anything else. | 15:14 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: o fsck | 15:14 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: as they say, you don't know the day and the hour ;) | 15:15 |
| Sargun | who highlighted me | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | sargun: some tab abuser probably | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:16 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: its ~half hour from me btw | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: lol, have you seen it? | 15:17 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: no | 15:17 |
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| hrw | ~lart omweather author | 15:21 |
| * infobot moos at omweather author | 15:21 | |
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| hrw | why maemo pacakges are so weird... | 15:22 |
| hrw | some remove user data without asking (on install), some require reboot after install, some rename own files right after install... | 15:22 |
| keesj | why do pleople interfer with computers | 15:22 |
| hrw | and where is l2ping ;( | 15:22 |
| johnx | because (in some cases) they're made by people who are doing packaging for the first time... | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, someone needs a chill pill on -developers. | 15:24 |
| hrw | johnx: I can accept such ugly packages from random repos but it is on http://repository.maemo.org one | 15:24 |
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| keesj | people are forced to create pacakge | 15:24 |
| derf | hrw: Why do you think the answer is any different? | 15:24 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 15:26 | |
| hrw | derf: from random repo I do not expect any quality as it can be top developer or newbie. but from repost hosted with maemo.org domain I expected any QA checks | 15:26 |
| keesj | hrw , yes it would be great. | 15:27 |
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| keesj | I mean , I would even require the source of the package to be avaiable | 15:27 |
| keesj | hrw: but there is work in progress :P | 15:28 |
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| X-Fade | We are working on that. | 15:28 |
| keesj | I heard | 15:28 |
| derf | Perhaps your expectations are unreasonable, given that maemo has no defined packaging policy that I've ever seen. | 15:28 |
| hrw | keesj: I would rather require source and forbid uploading of packages | 15:28 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: That is the plan ;) | 15:28 |
| mbuf | similar to dpkg-buildpackage, is there any dpkg- that can only build just the executable? i prefer to simply build the application, move to target device and test it | 15:28 |
| keesj | hrw: this has been disscueed many times on the mailing list and is every time a hot item | 15:28 |
| hrw | derf: and given that maemo is very young project... is has only 3-4 years | 15:28 |
| keesj | I keep thinking of if in differetn way's | 15:29 |
| keesj | my last idea is that "users" should not have to create packages | 15:29 |
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| keesj | perhaps not even allowed to write anything else then python :P | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | heh | 15:30 |
| hrw | heh^2 | 15:30 |
| * hrw wants sources for maemo... | 15:30 | |
| keesj | Jaffa: :P and you only pc base software | 15:30 |
| wnd | mbuf, you could run dpkg-buildpackage once and then just run make && scp -- if that's what you wanted to do | 15:31 |
| mbuf | wnd, ahh, ok | 15:31 |
| lirakis_work | .. i was poking around in utilites.. and saw a handwriting training thing on my n810... does anyone know of some "notes" software that does hand writing recognition? | 15:32 |
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| keesj | hrw: you are working on poky right? | 15:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | lirakis_work, it's a global input method. | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Switch it in Text Input | 15:33 |
| lirakis_work | GeneralAntilles: .. hmmm... | 15:33 |
| lirakis_work | okay.. i check it out | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no fullscreen handwriting software (ala Newton), though. | 15:33 |
| wnd | my advice is just to forget hwr-im ;-) | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 15:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially if you have Newton background. | 15:34 |
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| hrw | keesj: yes | 15:40 |
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| hrw | ~curse maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices | 15:46 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices ! | 15:46 |
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| mbuf | how to get the sources of maemopad within scratchbox using dpkg? | 15:46 |
| johnx | apt-get source maemopad | 15:47 |
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| lirakis_work | im not sure what happened .. but .. the little "icon" on my home screen.. with the 3 people .. is permanantly highlighted.. and i cant open that menu | 15:50 |
| johnx | but other apps work ok? | 15:51 |
| lirakis_work | yeah | 15:51 |
| lirakis_work | no problem with other stuff | 15:51 |
| lirakis_work | gonna reboot see what that does | 15:51 |
| johnx | that should work, or maybe go to the control panel -> panel and temporarily switch web and communications | 15:52 |
| lirakis_work | yeah its fine after reboot | 15:54 |
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| jani | anyone have any ideas how to locate a reference to GtkComboBoxEntry widget which is inside HildonFindToolBar ? | 15:56 |
| mbuf | johnx, there is not apt-source in scratchbox chinook_x86; do i need to install anything? | 15:56 |
| johnx | <johnx> apt-get source maemopad | 15:56 |
| mbuf | johnx, urgh, sorry | 15:58 |
| * mbuf needs a break | 15:58 | |
| johnx | no problem :) | 15:58 |
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| johnx | there are lots of other good stuff in apt-get and apt-cache for dealing with source | 15:59 |
| johnx | check out apt-get build-dep too | 15:59 |
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| hrw | and 'apt-cache showsrc' | 16:00 |
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| hrw | maemo-pan lack 'do bt pan with THIS bt device' - will report | 16:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It uses the phone selected in connection manager. | 16:07 |
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| Veggen | but one of my gripes about maemo stuff, is that far too often, there's no source repository, and no easy way to find the source of the port. | 16:08 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I have phone and pc in list. pc supply pan | 16:09 |
| hrw | phone has only dun | 16:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hmmm . . . dunno if you can rectify that through GUI. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Console, maybe. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just tried it once with a friend's WinMob phone. | 16:10 |
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| ||cw | hrw: WM6 phones only have PAN | 16:10 |
| aquatix | symbian does pan too iirc | 16:10 |
| hrw | ||cw: my DESKTOP machine do PAN | 16:11 |
| ||cw | desktops can usually do anything | 16:11 |
| aquatix | with the right OS ;) | 16:11 |
| hrw | ||cw: I do not care about connecting maemo tablets to phones for network. my phone has gprs only | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, you only want to use the PC with PAN? | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then just choose the PC under "Phone"? | 16:12 |
| ||cw | so does my wm6 phone, but to get internet via it on the tablet I have to use PAN | 16:12 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: settings -> control panel -> bluetooth -> devices lists my phone and my desktop. it should be enough | 16:12 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I do not plan to make my desktop fake 'phone' bt class just to get pan working | 16:13 |
| hrw | especially when it is to test bt connection speed | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it not show up in the Phone list? | 16:13 |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: control panel -> phone? it does not | 16:14 |
| hrw | bb in 15m | 16:14 |
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| HckD3v | hi, i wanted to ask a question; i want to use a USB DAC (Audio) with the Nokia Tablet. I belive the OS will not support this from default, i have pre-built usb-audio kernel modules for maemo on the nokia tablet. How can i go about making this work? | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | HckD3v, there's a thread on internettablettalk that covers it | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't paid much attention to it recently, so I'm not sure exactly what in there, but it's on the subject. | 16:55 |
| HckD3v | its vauge | 16:56 |
| HckD3v | i need to recompile the kernel and make it into an image i presume | 16:56 |
| HckD3v | do i use the SDK to do this? | 16:56 |
| lardman | if you have the right modules compiled against the correct kernel version then all you probably need to do is install them and then modprobe the right one | 16:57 |
| HckD3v | and could the kernel modules be pluged-in without a re-flash? | 16:57 |
| HckD3v | is there a guide or foru tread about this? | 16:57 |
| HckD3v | i could read up on | 16:57 |
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| lardman | where's the ITT thread? | 16:58 |
| Navi | stick the modules in /lib/modules/ and insmod them | 16:58 |
| HckD3v | thanks | 16:58 |
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| HckD3v | is there a possiblity of fining that thread @general | 16:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15452 | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, I believe. | 17:12 |
| HckD3v | yea i read that allready, this is why i want to pull this off | 17:14 |
| HckD3v | is the ALSA sorted? | 17:15 |
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| pupnik | it is sorted fifo | 17:24 |
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| HckD3v | fifo? | 17:25 |
| solarion | First In First Out | 17:27 |
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| lardman | but perhaps was supposed to be afaik, my fingers often type a completely different word if I'm not concentrating | 17:28 |
| HckD3v | i mean if i use the copiled modules from fanoush would the sound be direct from the apps and no re-routed from the internal sound device | 17:29 |
| HckD3v | the goal is to use the usb dac to ecive purest sound quality | 17:29 |
| HckD3v | achive* | 17:29 |
| lardman | the built in apps use the dsp, so no, you would probably have troubles there | 17:29 |
| lardman | from mplayer you ought to be able to use ALSA and in the conf file tell ALSA what to use, etc. | 17:30 |
| HckD3v | hmm | 17:30 |
| lardman | you could probably change the gstreamer bindings though so everything would go via your usb output | 17:30 |
| HckD3v | would DSP route the sound throgth the internal sound device? | 17:30 |
| HckD3v | yea | 17:30 |
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| HckD3v | but what if i want to use the external speaker or heaphone jack | 17:31 |
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| lardman | at the same time? | 17:31 |
| HckD3v | yea | 17:31 |
| HckD3v | think of it as a second sound card | 17:31 |
| lardman | gstreamer allows you to split the stream, presumably it's also possible to do somehow with ALSA. I'm no expert though | 17:31 |
| HckD3v | i could have a small script to switch | 17:31 |
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| HckD3v | ALSA is not really needed, only if it helps me to pull it off the way i want it | 17:32 |
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| lardman | my thought was that you switch between a dspsink and an alsasink | 17:33 |
| lirakis_work | does anyone in the U.S. have a at&t data only plan that they can give some info on ..? do they have hsdpa available generally? how are the speeds etc. | 17:33 |
| * RST38h misses /dev/dsp | 17:33 | |
| lirakis_work | ive got a blackberry now.. (which doesnt play nice for tethering) | 17:33 |
| lirakis_work | .. or a tmobile data plan .. same questions | 17:34 |
| HckD3v | http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-plugins/file/5f6650c03e1b/doc/README-maemo | 17:35 |
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| HckD3v | its still all a bit vauge | 17:36 |
| HckD3v | im trying to readup on the itt forums | 17:36 |
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| lardman | Well that allows standard ALSA output to be done via the dsp plugins, not quite what you want | 17:37 |
| HckD3v | yea | 17:37 |
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| lardman | you should probably obtain the alsasink plugin from somewhere (it may even be on the device), get the usb output thingy working using mplayer (over alsa) to test, then look at how to alter the gstreamer conf files to switch between alsa- and dspsinks | 17:39 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:44 |
| HckD3v | ahh ive read on IIT forum, the version of ALSA on the OS2008 is'nt complete | 17:45 |
| lardman | It certainly used to work for a2dp so I presume it ought to work for you unless you have something more specific? | 17:45 |
| kulve | the alsa dsp plugin seems to work on n8x0. I haven't tested it heavily though.. | 17:46 |
| lardman | HckD3v: have you tried insmod'ing the modules for your usb device? | 17:46 |
| HckD3v | i dont have the device at the moment with me | 17:49 |
| HckD3v | and from what i can read i dont think that works | 17:49 |
| HckD3v | ill link you wait.. | 17:49 |
| HckD3v | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=alsa | 17:49 |
| HckD3v | this uses ALSA from what i can tell | 17:50 |
| HckD3v | for BT headset | 17:50 |
| lardman | yep, it works | 17:50 |
| HckD3v | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16952&highlight=dac | 17:50 |
| HckD3v | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15452&page=10&highlight=dac | 17:50 |
| HckD3v | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12520&page=6&highlight=dac | 17:50 |
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| lardman | so is that the same device? | 17:51 |
| HckD3v | what device | 17:52 |
| HckD3v | yea | 17:52 |
| HckD3v | usb dacs are all pretty much the same | 17:52 |
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| lardman | I'd rmmod the usb mass storage driver, that should stop the first problem in the first post | 17:53 |
| lardman | s/post/thread | 17:53 |
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| HckD3v | once all these issues are resolved im going to write a proper how-to | 17:54 |
| HckD3v | not just sound devices but other usb devices | 17:54 |
| HckD3v | but i want sound to work properly first :D | 17:54 |
| lardman | ok, in the first thread, first post which has the output: | 17:56 |
| lcdd | usb dacs work? awesome | 17:56 |
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| lardman | [383428.679687] usb 1-1: device v08bb p2702 is not supported | 17:56 |
| HckD3v | yea no usb-audio kernel drivers | 17:56 |
| lardman | so.... find a driver that does support it, compile it, install it and away you go | 17:56 |
| HckD3v | which i have | 17:56 |
| HckD3v | nice | 17:56 |
| lardman | compiled? | 17:57 |
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| HckD3v | yep | 17:57 |
| HckD3v | .ko | 17:57 |
| HckD3v | so no flaffing about with ALSA? | 17:57 |
| HckD3v | woot ^_^ | 17:57 |
| lardman | ok, so install them, then see if they get automatically insmod'ed (probably not), then try using insmod to insert them and see what dmesg says | 17:57 |
| lardman | you probably need ALSA so that you can direct the audio output to the particular device that the kernel drivers create for your usb device | 17:58 |
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| HckD3v | nice, ill give it a shot | 17:59 |
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| HckD3v | but means i need a re-complied version of alsa | 17:59 |
| HckD3v | and a config | 17:59 |
| HckD3v | :p | 17:59 |
| lardman | you need a config, but not a recompile | 17:59 |
| lardman | afaik | 17:59 |
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| lardman | your config should just tell ALSA which device to output to | 17:59 |
| lardman | that's my impression anyway | 17:59 |
| HckD3v | k, shouldnt be too hard | 18:00 |
| HckD3v | also you guys know if the 8gb SDHC limitation is real. i heard some people were using 16gb cards | 18:00 |
| HckD3v | would they work fine? | 18:00 |
| lardman | no idea, sorry | 18:00 |
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| lardman | do these modules look familiar, scroll down?: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SlugAsAudioPlayer | 18:02 |
| HckD3v | yep | 18:04 |
| HckD3v | i have the same modules compiled for maemo | 18:04 |
| lardman | ok, so that gives you the order in which to insmod them | 18:04 |
| HckD3v | nice find | 18:04 |
| lardman | if you do it in a different order the module will fail to be inserted due to missing symbols from one of the earlier ones | 18:04 |
| HckD3v | yea i know | 18:05 |
| HckD3v | saved me a headache :p | 18:05 |
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| lardman | sorting out the ALSA setup I don't know about, but there seem to be examples about, or find something that writes directly to /dev/dsp and use that (I think aplay does that) | 18:05 |
| lardman | then you can start hacking on the gstreamer redirection bit | 18:06 |
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| HckD3v | yea would be great if you can find | 18:06 |
| lardman | I'll leave that bit to you | 18:07 |
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| lardman | hmm http://www.linuxdoc.org/ DNS seems to have lapsed | 18:09 |
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| lardman | good luck & let us know how you get on | 18:11 |
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| HckD3v | yea thanks | 18:11 |
| HckD3v | omg | 18:11 |
| HckD3v | i think i struck gold | 18:11 |
| HckD3v | http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=6783 | 18:12 |
| HckD3v | same thing with usbdac but with portable laptop 'eepc' runing debian based linux | 18:12 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I dl'ed all 2.9GB of maps for north America onto my tablet (N800) and I now have decided to reflash the device, because I have so much execc junk on it I just want to start fresh. I do not however want to take another 12 hours to dl the same maps I already have. Where are the located on my file system so I can back them up onto my laptop before I reflash? | 19:01 |
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| pierlux | WorkingOnWise, I don'T have my N810 with me but it is a folder caller Maps ;) | 19:04 |
| pierlux | *called | 19:04 |
| WorkingOnWise | capitol "M"? | 19:05 |
| kulve | WorkingOnWise: /media/mmc2/maps I think. Might be mmc1 too | 19:06 |
| b0unc3 | WorkingOnWise: you can get the right path in the maemo mapper mpas settings.... | 19:06 |
| liquid64 | mine defaults to MyDocs/.documents/Maps | 19:06 |
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| liquid64 | i have that symlinked to my mmc2 though ;) | 19:07 |
| bapt | Hi all | 19:07 |
| bapt | is there a way to user flasher from freebsd ? | 19:07 |
| bapt | or at least is it plan? | 19:07 |
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| Mousey | is there a way to get maemo mapper working without having to open some other app which turns on the GPS?? oh and is there ANY way to get the GPS to aquire faster? | 19:15 |
| mwaldron | mameo mapper had an option to turn on the gps last i looked, but that was a few weeks ago before i wiped my 810 and started over | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Select bluetooth, Mousey. | 19:16 |
| mwaldron | as for aquire speed... yeah it just sucks. we deal with it | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No MAC | 19:16 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: huh? instead of /dev/pgps? | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Select Bluetooth, blank MAC. | 19:17 |
| Mousey | oooh | 19:17 |
| Mousey | that's odd | 19:17 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: you're impossibly informative.. could you be a bot? | 19:18 |
| mwaldron | he's the general | 19:18 |
| Mousey | IT'S A TRAP!! | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I pay attention. | 19:18 |
| Mousey | wait, that's admiral | 19:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles now tries to figure out why the hell his keychains are all missing. | 19:18 | |
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| liquid64 | thats admiral ackbar | 19:18 |
| Mousey | 0wned! | 19:18 |
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| mwaldron | the general's security access has been revoked and his keychains confiscated | 19:19 |
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| Mousey | CivilianAntilles? | 19:20 |
| mwaldron | ...and escorted from the building | 19:20 |
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| Mousey | AWESOME!!! | 19:24 |
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| Mousey | i wish there was a way to extend the applet bar | 19:25 |
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| HckD3v | yup, but not sure how | 19:26 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is the lcd from an N810 a drop in replacement for the lcd in an N800? | 19:29 |
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| TPC | WorkingOnWise, no | 19:32 |
| TPC | WorkingOnWise, or maybe | 19:32 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol | 19:32 |
| TPC | WorkingOnWise, its not the same screen, but its probably the same size | 19:32 |
| TPC | the N810 one is transreflective, so it works better in sunlight | 19:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | thats the only thin the n810 has to offer me... | 19:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | so the perfect 800 would have the 810's lcd :) | 19:33 |
| TPC | yep | 19:33 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'll have to watch ebay for dead 810's with intact screens | 19:34 |
| TPC | I would love a 810 if it had SD slots, but minisd = not being able to use the dozen or so SD cards I have | 19:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | my wife might not like me if I bought an 810 and switched displays | 19:35 |
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| WorkingOnWise | they pulled the sd slots all together? and only has a single minisd now? | 19:35 |
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| TPC | yep | 19:36 |
| TPC | the internal one they replaced with a 1GB permanent memory (or maybe it was 2GB) that shows up as a card in the machine | 19:36 |
| TPC | and the external one is a minisd | 19:36 |
| WorkingOnWise | wow.....makes the built in gps look less and less impressive. I have 2.9GB of maps on my 800 | 19:37 |
| TPC | supposedly to make room for the GPS and the keyboard | 19:37 |
| WorkingOnWise | probly true.... | 19:37 |
| Mousey | The new OS does not support A2DP profile. My guess is that the Freepulse only supports the A2DP Profile (I have no idea)? There is a thread where some people have actually gotten this to work, but as previously stated, it is a CPU hog. Hopefully with the next OS update, they include A2DP support. | 19:37 |
| TPC | probably not, a few cellphone vendors agreed a while back to make a transition to minisd on all their phones | 19:37 |
| TPC | this is probably because of that | 19:38 |
| Mousey | 2gb | 19:38 |
| Mousey | BUT IT'S NOT A PHONE!! | 19:38 |
| TPC | I have lots of maps as well on my internal SD | 19:38 |
| * Mousey waves fist in angst re miniSD | 19:38 | |
| WorkingOnWise | lol | 19:38 |
| HckD3v | yea A2Dp works but 50% cpu | 19:38 |
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| Mousey | that sucks | 19:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | I got a2dp working but the quality stinks | 19:39 |
| HckD3v | if internal mem is a card could replace, what you think | 19:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | i'd take the cpu usae if it sounded good... | 19:39 |
| HckD3v | ill have to look at gutted 810 pics | 19:39 |
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| WorkingOnWise | where are some good pics of gutted N800? I have a few hacks I want to do | 19:42 |
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| TPC | WorkingOnWise, toughtfix blog might have some | 19:44 |
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| WorkingOnWise | thanks TCP | 19:45 |
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| HckD3v | same | 19:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | I gotta hear this from real time comments. the Palm OS Garnet runs on the N800? Usefully? | 19:49 |
| HckD3v | i have allot of ideas | 19:49 |
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| HckD3v | i dont see the need for that | 19:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | a good PIM.. Nokia thinks we are all nothing more that a single phone number and an email address | 19:50 |
| HckD3v | lol | 19:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | oh, and a thinmbnail pic | 19:51 |
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| HckD3v | btw some devs should work on some hardcore sip/voip intergration with the phone | 19:51 |
| HckD3v | btw anyone got good high-res gutted n810 n800 pics? | 19:51 |
| WorkingOnWise | that would save me the trouble of learning enough about programing to write a good pim for them! | 19:51 |
| HckD3v | fuck that, opensource ftw | 19:53 |
| HckD3v | hopefully my usb dac/amp setup will work with canola and flac files and make a uber pmp | 19:53 |
| HckD3v | im gonna work on usb networking and other gizmos via usb, porting drivers etc | 19:54 |
| WorkingOnWise | so far, I have not seen anything for OS2008 that is worthy of my palm or windows mobile devices for PIM functionality | 19:54 |
| HckD3v | yea | 19:54 |
| HckD3v | windows mobile rules for that | 19:54 |
| HckD3v | activesync with calendar | 19:54 |
| HckD3v | we could port thunderbird but that has too many overheads | 19:54 |
| WorkingOnWise | it does, and I wish anyone else would kick their butts at that! | 19:54 |
| HckD3v | i love the today plugins on wm | 19:55 |
| WorkingOnWise | yeah, and google apps/cal/mail is great but only if u can be online | 19:55 |
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| HckD3v | which is'nt a problem for me since i use an unlimited 3g data plan | 19:55 |
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| WorkingOnWise | me too. I think that would be easy to do. the PIM part takes smarter ppl than me or much more time if I gotta do it :) | 19:56 |
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| HckD3v | by the time it works | 19:56 |
| HckD3v | i doubt it will be of very much use | 19:56 |
| WorkingOnWise | I live on Lake Superior. Really spotty cell coverage here.... | 19:56 |
| HckD3v | lol | 19:56 |
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| lirakis_work | are there any maemo apps that can do strait recording from the webcam? | 20:08 |
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| unixSnob | Any video chat users here? | 20:45 |
| unixSnob | I need to know whether I'll be able to use the n800 for a video job interview.. I have no idea what software the client will ask me to use | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we can't answer you. | 20:46 |
| unixSnob | So I just want to be prepared w/ something mainstream.. something that's compatible with what desktop users use | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems likely that they'd choose to use Skype | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | In which case, no. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there are no guarantees. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo, SIP or MSN are "yes" | 20:47 |
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| unixSnob | Right.. I didn't figure there would be a guarantee.. maybe I'll see about getting gizmo going w/ video chat | 20:47 |
| unixSnob | I'm way out in the sticks.. and I'll be damned if I have to drag a desktop computer into a hotspot area just so the client can see who they're interviewing.. but I at least want to accommodate some practical options w/ the NIT | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gizmo would be my main recommendation. | 20:49 |
| unixSnob | thanks | 20:50 |
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| christefano | I didn't know that Gizmo for Maemo did video. | 20:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Has for a while. | 20:51 |
| christefano | that's great. I am really glad to know that | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No OS X support until they get around to releasing the 4.0 client for it, though. | 20:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Should be sometime in the next few months. | 20:53 |
| unixSnob | I'm a little confused on the pricing for gizmoproject.. I've been using it to receive inbound calls since back when they were called sipphone.. but the gizmo project website quotes prices for inbound and outbound calls | 20:55 |
| unixSnob | I haven't had to pay anything for inbound calls | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$35/mo for a line-in | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Landline number that will dial your Gizmo account. | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | $0.03 per minute for call-out (or something close). | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Receiving calls on your Gizmo number is free, though. | 20:56 |
| unixSnob | ah, that makes sense.. grandcentral gets around that.. that's why i haven't had to pay anything | 20:56 |
| Navi | it went up a cent? | 20:57 |
| Navi | ZOMG | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or I could be wrong. :P | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I pay about $55 a year for Gizmo | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | $35 for line-in and $20 for minutes. | 20:57 |
| Navi | It's 35 a year? | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a landline number people can call. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That may or may not be useful for you. | 20:59 |
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| Navi | Yeah, I thought it was per month | 20:59 |
| Navi | which irked me | 20:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:59 |
| Navi | For the US, its .019 cents per minutes | 20:59 |
| Navi | s/es/s/ | 21:00 |
| infobot | Navi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minuts | 21:00 |
| Navi | s/es/e/ | 21:00 |
| infobot | Navi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minute | 21:00 |
| unixSnob | y not get a grandcentral acct, GA? | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have one. | 21:00 |
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| unixSnob | then you shouldn't have to pay gizmoproject anything to receive calls | 21:01 |
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| unixSnob | (since all the calls appear to originate from the net) | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Meh, sometimes I like to have certain people call Gizmo directly. | 21:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not too worried about $35 a year. | 21:01 |
| zeusn | Does any irc client exists for n810? | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 21:02 |
| zeusn | Oho | 21:03 |
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| unixSnob | So i'm in Gizmo5, and when I pop out the camera, it doesn't detect it, and show an image -- like the "internet call" software did in OS2007 | 21:05 |
| unixSnob | Is gizmo5 the right app for gizmoproject video chat? | 21:06 |
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| keesj | I had some troubles with the last gizmo update (a week agao) | 21:14 |
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| keesj | the video from the n810 to the n800 was broken (green) and 4 times two small | 21:15 |
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| unixSnob | keesj, how do you get gizmo5 to even start showing video? | 21:18 |
| unixSnob | Does a connection have to be made first? | 21:18 |
| keesj | I think you need a connection | 21:19 |
| keesj | do you want to try with me? | 21:19 |
| unixSnob | sure.. but it won't be pretty.. I'm out in the sticks.. on a 1xRTT connection | 21:19 |
| keesj | try freakingtux (my shadow accout) | 21:21 |
| keesj | but I will not be pretty either | 21:21 |
| unixSnob | i'd just like to see if I can connect and get video | 21:22 |
| keesj | yes sure | 21:22 |
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| unixSnob | i don't recall how to switch to private chat in IRC (it's been 10 years since I used IRC proficiently) | 21:23 |
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| keesj | /msg nickname bla but you already have my accout | 21:23 |
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| mgedmin | unixSnob: /query nickname; but note that you must be authenticated with nickserv in order to have a private chat on freenode | 21:28 |
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| unixSnob | thanks.. i have it working now | 21:31 |
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| uyriry686 | www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk XXX BRUNETTES | 21:32 |
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| Mousey | woo!! | 21:32 |
| * Mousey goes there right away!! | 21:32 | |
| Mousey | wait, | 21:32 |
| * Mousey switches to a windows box, for the full experience! | 21:33 | |
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| Mousey | you just missed him | 21:34 |
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| keesj | damm | 21:35 |
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| elb | tcl.tk is a better domain | 21:35 |
| elb | as far as .tk goes | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | why does it always pour? | 21:50 |
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| Cptnodegard | god is pissing | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | then he must be desperate, things just cascade | 21:51 |
| Cptnodegard | SprinklePiss (tm) | 21:51 |
| Cptnodegard | by God (r) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | incidentally, as a FYI to everyone with n810s - you yknow how you rest your chin in your hand with elbow on the desk.. | 21:52 |
| Cptnodegard | ytou slipped and smashed your n810? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | the 810 screen supports it.. my missus just nearly put her elbow through it | 21:53 |
| lcuk | no | 21:53 |
| lcuk | thankfully, but it would have been another part of the cascade | 21:53 |
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| Cptnodegard | thats too close | 21:55 |
| Cptnodegard | I'd kill myself if my n800 broke | 21:56 |
| Cptnodegard | or, i would mean to kill myself, but due to the lack of a todo list i would forget it and live on in misery instead | 21:56 |
| Cptnodegard | then i would forget to eat, sleep and go to the toilet so i'd die from starvation, tired as hell in my own droppings | 21:57 |
| elb | you must have a third-party todo application | 21:57 |
| mgedmin | I wonder what's the pressure value for the elbow-press event | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | shame my program wasnt running,but i would imagine somewhere between OUCH and ONE AT A TIME PLEASE | 21:58 |
| Cptnodegard | gpoe todo ftw | 21:58 |
| Cptnodegard | *gpe | 21:58 |
| Cptnodegard | [/on topic] | 21:58 |
| lcuk | do you think they used the todo when writing the todo? | 21:59 |
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| Cptnodegard | chicken and the egg... to make a todo list, you need a todo list to remember what to...do | 21:59 |
| skibur | Has anybody tried running zipslack using DosBox? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i suppose you could bootstrap it with notepad or something | 22:00 |
| lcuk | anyway, ive got wallowing in self puty to do, back later | 22:00 |
| lcuk | pity even | 22:00 |
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| Cptnodegard | why? your it survived | 22:00 |
| lcuk|meh | but i was meant to get an eee tonight | 22:01 |
| lcuk|meh | and my mouse is dead | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | but.....? | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | why no eee? | 22:01 |
| lcuk|meh | finances | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | feel your pain | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | got the internet bill for 3 months today | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | ewww | 22:01 |
| lcuk|meh | even though no outpayment required until return from linuxtag | 22:01 |
| Cptnodegard | bills | 22:01 |
| lcuk|meh | we have other things to pay for | 22:01 |
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| lcuk|meh | (my missus used the shoe analogy: you would freak if i went out and spent £250 on shoes..) | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | shows dont have wifi | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | *shoes | 22:02 |
| lcuk|meh | for £250 they aught to | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | and you wouldnt step on your eee | 22:02 |
| Cptnodegard | what do you need an eee for anyways? | 22:03 |
| lcuk|meh | no, im gonna spend a couple of days/weeks looking for a wifi laptop for a loan and stick ubuntu on it | 22:03 |
| lcuk|meh | i cant do full dev on my 810 (yet) and im goin to linuxtag - time alone in a hotel room is nice as long as ive got an ide to develop on | 22:04 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 22:04 |
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| lcuk|meh | ill end up getting one anyway if i cant solve this, but the money could be better spent elsewhere | 22:05 |
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| mgedmin | I wonder about the eee sometimes | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | you could probably get used to the small keyboard & screen | 22:06 |
| lcuk|meh | i might just do it on the cheap and get a magnifying glass for my 810 | 22:06 |
| Cptnodegard | same resolution so i dont need a bigger screen | 22:07 |
| lcuk|meh | if i could get the required toolchain on the 810 simply enough it would work | 22:07 |
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| Mousey | TODO LIST!! | 22:08 |
| Mousey | totally forgot | 22:08 |
| * Mousey installs | 22:08 | |
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| keesj | lcuk|meh: indeed, I now have real tools installed on the tablet and I really can develop while on the target | 22:08 |
| Cptnodegard | ooookay | 22:08 |
| lcuk|meh | keesj, i have heard its available | 22:08 |
| keesj | I am talking about a compiler and such | 22:09 |
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| mgedmin | despite my initial preconceptions, turns out I do like the n810's built-in keyboard | 22:09 |
| keesj | (I use mamona but I guess poky is just as good :P ) | 22:09 |
| Mousey | dude, the n810's keyboard is the only reason i got it | 22:09 |
| lcuk|meh | so, can you (for instance) build sdl apps? or x apps? are the dev versions of the libraries available | 22:09 |
| unixSnob | we just tested gizmo5 video chat from the USA (1xRTT connection) to Netherlands.. it was completely unusuable.. not even the audio worked well enough. I'm tempted to blame the 1xRTT though | 22:09 |
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| lcuk|meh | mgedmin, the 810 keyboard is great OTG, but i much prefer my apple wireless kb | 22:10 |
| Mousey | the lack of hw keyboard on the 800 is the ONLY reason i didn't get one | 22:10 |
| lcuk|meh | same here | 22:10 |
| Mousey | i'll get an 800 now anyway for USB storage for my n810 tho. ;) | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | lcuk|meh: I have both, and I prefer the built-in one | 22:10 |
| lcuk|meh | 800 is well within acceptable price :) | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | sliding the top is faster than getting the apple keyboard from a desk drawer ;) | 22:11 |
| Mousey | n810 <-usb-> n800+2x32GBSDHCSD | 22:11 |
| Mousey | =woot! | 22:11 |
| MangoFusion_ | i just use the n800's onscreen keyboard | 22:11 |
| Mousey | no where near as fast | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | but still pretty good | 22:11 |
| Mousey | seriously | 22:11 |
| Mousey | useless | 22:11 |
| Mousey | what you get in keyboard, you lose in screen real estate | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | nah, quite useful for editing text in vim | 22:11 |
| lcuk|meh | depends what you are typing, you can hack up a completely custom keyboard and do 99% of your normal typing direct | 22:12 |
| Mousey | not that i'm tryna poopoo on people's <3 for the screenkeyboard, i'm just so happy i have a hw one instead =) | 22:12 |
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| lcuk|meh | i would add a "lol" key | 22:12 |
| Mousey | i would add a fucking | key | 22:12 |
| Mousey | excuse my french | 22:12 |
| lcuk|meh | i would rather have a tab key on 810 real kb than a "fucking |" key ;) | 22:13 |
| Mousey | haha | 22:13 |
| keesj | yes and { and }! | 22:13 |
| Mousey | if i just had the brains to figure out how to remap the damn pound and yen keys which i'd NEVER ever use | 22:13 |
| keesj | I can not even write hello world in c on my tablet! | 22:13 |
| Mousey | oh, and euro key | 22:13 |
| lcuk|meh | keesj, case of having the tools but no way to use them | 22:14 |
| Mousey | what in the WORLD was nokia thinking i need all those frickin currency keys? | 22:14 |
| keesj | unless I do some #define BEGIN { | 22:14 |
| Mousey | when {} and | would be so nice | 22:14 |
| Mousey | or [] even | 22:14 |
| Mousey | if [ | 22:14 |
| keesj | I tried to add them to the menu options of the xterminal this morning but it did not work | 22:14 |
| Mousey | OH, and i tried to make a pipe shortcut in the xterm | 22:15 |
| keesj | I need a 1337 keyboard layout | 22:15 |
| lcuk|meh | the currency keys are more frustrating because you cannot tell the clock you are in a different time zone | 22:15 |
| Mousey | FAIL! | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | keesj: digraphs!!! :-) | 22:15 |
| Mousey | yikes | 22:15 |
| pH5 | Mousey: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/#comment-226251 | 22:15 |
| Mousey | pH5: you ROCK | 22:15 |
| pH5 | nah. google does | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | xterm's shortcuts are l337 h4ckery | 22:16 |
| flo_lap | :) | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | you have to know X11 keysym names | 22:16 |
| lcuk|meh | oh, im writing an alarm replacement by the way - i hate waking up in the morning and having to search for the tinyest of little stylus oriented buttons when i just wanna whack snooze | 22:16 |
| Mousey | SO AWESOME!!!!!! | 22:16 |
| Mousey | i need more muscletone in my googlefingers | 22:16 |
| lcuk|meh | and it should/will also be configurable to only go off on weekdays. | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | lcuk|meh: is the alarm reliable for you? | 22:17 |
| lcuk|meh | yes, but it has annoying quirks | 22:17 |
| pH5 | lcuk|meh: that would be most welcome. setting the alarm is a bit ugly right now. | 22:17 |
| mgedmin | when I tried using alarms, I noticed that they just stopped working after a week or so | 22:17 |
| mgedmin | or going off hours later than they should | 22:17 |
| lcuk|meh | have you noticed it you switch it from weekly to daily it wont go off until it thought it was due based on the weekly schedule? | 22:18 |
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| mgedmin | no, I never had it on weekly | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | I wanted daily alarms, but couldn't get them | 22:18 |
| lcuk|meh | i switch it to weekly as a hack so i dont have to delete and reenter after the weekend | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | and on a day when my n800 missed the alarm, it showed it only when I manually went online | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | there's a bug on maemo.org somewhere, but it never went anywhere | 22:19 |
| mgedmin | the alarm app apparently has some kind of user-recognition and hides the bug from everybody else, so it's just me who can reproduce it ;) | 22:19 |
| lcuk|meh | mgedmin, there is specific code: if(camera.recognise("mgedmin")){ alarm.randomize() } | 22:20 |
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| KevinVerma | hello folks i am using n810 from India, what GPS limitations i am likely to face on n810 ? | 22:36 |
| * KevinVerma a gps newbie | 22:36 | |
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| mgedmin | GPS limitations? | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | as in accuracy, lack of maps, or what? | 22:40 |
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| KevinVerma | mgedmin, yeah i think lack of maps | 22:41 |
| KevinVerma | will maemo--mapper will be useful ? | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | try MaemoMapper, it can use various web sources like openstreetmap, google maps, ms virtual earth | 22:42 |
| KevinVerma | mgedmin, thanks this assures that perhaps i am looking in right direction | 22:43 |
| KevinVerma | i'll feedback tomorrow | 22:43 |
| KevinVerma | also can some tell me if window-switch and back key on panel should have a led , that should lit in dark ? | 22:44 |
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| KevinVerma | n810 is hard to use for widow switching and back key functions in dark without those | 22:45 |
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| KevinVerma | window* | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | mine doesn't have a led | 22:46 |
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| mgedmin | I wondered about too | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | but haven't missed it too much | 22:47 |
| KevinVerma | maybe there was none in design specs at all | 22:47 |
| KevinVerma | btw i also twitted my n810 first impressions today - http://twitter.com/kevinverma | 22:49 |
| KevinVerma | i hope to blog in details later, i hope i have good judgements of n810 design, or will like to know more | 22:50 |
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| KevinVerma | is someone else facing gmail-imap server port problem with modest ? | 22:58 |
| KevinVerma | also for lastfm on canola ? in-correct login | 22:59 |
| KevinVerma | same for valgume | 22:59 |
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| KevinVerma | looks modest is failing to connect to gmail imap sever, but maemo mail app works | 23:04 |
| KevinVerma | dunno if some dbus quirk, let me reboot | 23:06 |
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| Cptnodegard | claws mail is the master of epic imap failing | 23:06 |
| Cptnodegard | and when it cant connect, it just sits there saying "connecting" | 23:07 |
| Cptnodegard | so you have to kill the thing | 23:07 |
| Cptnodegard | wouldnt kill them to make a cancel button | 23:07 |
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| keesj | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/qt_to_be_supported_in_addition_to_gtk.html | 23:12 |
| lcuk|meh | qt will be good, my boss has heard of it ;) | 23:13 |
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| mgedmin | I hope they'll make the themes look the same | 23:14 |
| lcuk | keesj, was there something you wanted to talk about last night | 23:14 |
| djcb | note, modest last update breaks gmail somewhat, bit it should be fixed soon | 23:14 |
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| keesj | time to go to bed.. | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | nm, then catch me when you are awake | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 23:18 |
| lcuk | morning? or late? | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | i should really get some sleep | 23:18 |
| lcuk | i really should go hunting through some code | 23:18 |
| lcuk | i havent opened vmware since dr who | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | at least you have slept | 23:19 |
| lcuk | good point | 23:19 |
| lcuk | you need a neural interface to irc so that you can sleep and chat at same time | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | better not | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | that could kill me | 23:19 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:19 |
| lcuk | hows the c book | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | and i won't trust neural interfaces sold in us | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | c book is waiting | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | i was helping someone with papers | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | and i hate beaurocracy | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | and going from building to building | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | and back | 23:21 |
| KotCzarny | and again | 23:21 |
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| KotCzarny | this system should generate money itself and leave people free | 23:22 |
| lcuk | :( not good | 23:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | they should allow people to walk on human sized hamster wheels instead of out on the streets | 23:22 |
| lcuk | at least hten you would save the environment | 23:22 |
| * KotCzarny imagines computers generating money and spending it all by itself | 23:23 | |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: methane | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:24 |
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| KotCzarny | hi ssvb | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | how's the code? | 23:25 |
| ssvb | hi KotCzarny | 23:25 |
| ssvb | tagged a new mplayer release: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/1.0rc1-maemo.27/?root=mplayer | 23:27 |
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| ssvb | it has some bugfixes and AAC decoding optimizations | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | gst not touched? | 23:27 |
| ssvb | will need to find time to test it and upload .deb packages to extras-devel repository | 23:27 |
| ssvb | yes, gst is not touched | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 23:28 |
| ssvb | you are free to hack it yourself :) | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | i will | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | because it's a killer feature to have :) | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | so much code, so little time | 23:29 |
| ssvb | what about controlling ARM/DSP frequency? Is it possible to set 400/133 mode without patching kernel? Or is it possible to have a kernel patch to keep frequency at 400/133 while mplayer process is running? | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | it's a table of frequencies | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | so it should be fairly easy to add sysfs interface | 23:31 |
| ssvb | a good solution to this problem would increase motivation in trying to get this gst stuff working :) | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | humhum | 23:33 |
| ssvb | well, could you try to make some clean patch and negotiate its inclusion into fanoush's kernels for example: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ? | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | fanoush doesn't do irc, but i can try pm on itt | 23:33 |
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| ssvb | yes, he is also reachable via e-mail | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | that's something i can do | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | i'll report when i do | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:35 |
| ssvb | ok :) | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | because it's definitely worth it | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | btw. how about mplayer misdetecting alsa buffers? | 23:36 |
| ssvb | patch is welcome :) | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | with default config it stuttered | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | i had to edit asound.conf | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | message was something about 2kb buffer | 23:37 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org freaked on diff view | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/1.0rc1-maemo.27/ChangeLog?root=mplayer&r1=341&r2=82&diff_format=h | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:38 |
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| mgedmin | yesterday I noticed that mplayer exits when I press the Home key to switch apps | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | bug? unfortunate default keybinding? | 23:39 |
| ssvb | mgedmin: maybe | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: another question, why is tv interface disabled? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | it works flawlessly with built in cam | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | for mencoder/mplayer | 23:42 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: because nobody reported how to enable and test it? ;) | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | i report, it works! | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | as for build just remove the --disable-tv switch | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:42 |
| ssvb | what needs to be changed to enable it? | 23:42 |
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| KotCzarny | let me check my config.cache | 23:43 |
| ssvb | is it one of the configure options? | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | and you should build mencoder too | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | as it also works (with minor correction) | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | cool | 23:43 |
| mgedmin | how do you use it? mencoder tv:// filename.avi? | 23:43 |
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| KotCzarny | i can check exact cmd line later | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | for now you can try googling for: kotczarny tv | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:44 |
| pH5 | ssvb, KotCzarny: I use this patch to force 400/133 via sysfs: http://en.pastebin.ca/986472 | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | cool | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | if we get it into community kernel (fanoush's) more projects could benefit :) | 23:45 |
| Gast782 | siemka | 23:45 |
| Gast782 | halo\ | 23:46 |
| Gast782 | jest tu kto | 23:46 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: just committed a change to remove '--disable-tv' configure option | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: how do you use it? | 23:47 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: you could kindly ask him to include something like this if you ping him anyway | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: cool, does it build? | 23:47 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp to force OP_0 | 23:47 |
| Gast782 | pl?? | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | random question: does the gps chip on the n810 support WAAS/EGNOS? | 23:48 |
| pH5 | echo 1 > /sys/power/op_dsp to go back to normal (OP_1) | 23:48 |
| pH5 | changing this only works when there is no dsptask running, otherwise the write is ignored | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | is it permanent? (until reboot of course) | 23:49 |
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| pH5 | KotCzarny: it only changes the DSP operating point that dvfs locks to as soon as a dynamic dsptask is started | 23:50 |
| Mousey | IT WORKS!! I HAVE A | KEY!!!! | 23:50 |
| * Mousey huggles #maemo again | 23:50 | |
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| mgedmin | Mousey: you know smoking is harmful to your health, right? | 23:50 |
| Mousey | mgedmin: depends what you put in your | i guess | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: so i assume, change op mode, run mplayer and it uses 400/133 instead of 330/220 ? | 23:51 |
| pH5 | yes | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | great | 23:51 |
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| Mousey | ^_^ | 23:51 |
| pH5 | you can also just use it to have a better browsing experience while playing mp3 in the background | 23:52 |
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| pH5 | only remember to set it back to 330/220 when you want to try that mixing 3 concurrent mp3 streams corner case scenario that needs all dsp's horsepower :) | 23:53 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | ok, message sent | 23:55 |
| ssvb | pH5: I also wonder about power consumption, wouldn't ARM mp3 decoder running at 165MHz consume less power than DSP? | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | pcm is also dsp | 23:55 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: pcm is a static dsp task | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | only if you use it directly, and not with esd | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | (if i remember correctly) | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was a bug that 2 pcm tasks were static and 2 were dynamic | 23:57 |
| pH5 | ssvb: I guess that's a question for Igor Stoppa | 23:57 |
| pH5 | 165MHz takes less energy because the voltage is lower | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | it's easy to check though | 23:57 |
| pH5 | otoh at 400MHz the arm cpu can idle longer, so I'm not sure if power efficiency increases a lot | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | is aac decoding possible with dsp at 133 ? | 23:58 |
| ssvb | pH5: in the current default OS2008 setup, DSP looks pretty useless... | 23:59 |
| gomiam | pH5: I find that statement interesting. Usually processors with a higher clock rate have a lower voltage level. | 23:59 |
| lcuk | i find it if want to up the mhz on my processor i have to bump up the voltage ;) | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:59 |
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