IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-04-14

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nwidgerwhen i open modest, i get the error window 'Unable to connect to  Server name or port number may be incorrect".  yet, when i type "ping" at the console, i get back replies.  anyone know what's wrong?00:21
KotCzarnybeta software00:23
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KotCzarnywait for update or rollback to older version00:23
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KotCzarnyat least that's what i have heard00:23
nwidgerso others are having the same problem?00:23
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KotCzarnyas far i can remember, yes00:23
nwidgerokay that's fine, i was worried i had screwed something up :)00:24
KotCzarnybut keep searching00:24
nwidgerlike on the mailing list and such?00:24
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nwidgerthe latest archive is for feb 2008 though00:24
mrklawyou could try these instructions to test imap via telnet
mrklawif that works, you know it's the client00:25
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nwidgerwell i can connect fine using evolution on my laptop00:26
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lirakisim looking into getting an n810 .. part of the req. for my getting it will be the ability to make voip calls via SIP.  Is there one app that stands out for VoIP on the n81000:30
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nwidgerlirakis: there's skype00:31
nwidgerand gizmo00:31
nwidgerand plain ol' SIP client too00:31
lirakisnwidger: skype is evil00:31
lirakis.. im looking for plain sip00:31
lirakisso gizmo i guess00:31
nwidgerwell there you go :P00:32
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lirakisim looking around on ... is there a single site that has a repository of apps for the nseries ?00:33
lirakisKotCzarny: it seems kinda broken00:34
KotCzarnyand for beta apps00:34
KotCzarnyyeah, it's laggy sometimes00:34
KotCzarnyall those n8x0 users ;)00:34
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KotCzarnybut you can find most of them in application manager00:35
KotCzarnyafter you enable extras00:35
lirakisi see a bunch of code "( ! ) Notice: Undefined offset:  1 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(538) : eval()'d code on line 15 Call Stack"  .. on maemo.org00:35
KotCzarnybut keep the 'beta quality' in mind00:35
lirakislooks like its actually .. broken00:35
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KotCzarnylirakis: yeah00:35
KotCzarnystill, it will be up soon i think00:35
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nwidgergizmo is nice, i wish the linux client would add video call support though :(00:36
nwidgereven the nokia port has it00:36
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lirakisnwidger: nice .. im on gizmo5.com00:36
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Andy80do you know where can I find an usage example of GtkIconView in python? I've googled around, but couldn't find anything...00:37
nwidgerlirakis: cool.00:37
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crashanddielirakis, I've never used gizmo, mainly because it requires you to make an account even though you use another SIP provider (say, your ISP)00:40
crashanddielirakis, I use the good old stock SIP client, which works flawlessly00:40
lirakiscrashanddie: ..? it requires you to make an account ?00:40
lirakiscrashanddie: what is the "stock" sip client called ?00:41
lirakiscrashanddie: im just trying to get some info about the clients available00:41
crashanddielirakis, yeah, basically gizmo works with an account service, basically, they offer premium rates to most countries, so you *need* an account with them (even though you don't balance it at all) in order to connect, and then connect to your secondary SIP service provider00:42
lirakiscrashanddie: oh thats lame00:42
KotCzarnyherding users00:43
KotCzarnythat's what it is00:43
crashanddielirakis, the stock SIP client is called "Internet Call", it's shipped with ITOS 2008 by default, I *think* it's proprietary00:43
lirakiscrashanddie: yeah.. i am my own itsp.. i have several softswitches and carrier relationships ... so .. i just want to connect to my servers only .. no middleman ;)00:43
lirakiscrashanddie: thanks for the info00:43
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lirakishas anyone got info about the wimax version of the n810 and the service sprint will be offering?00:44
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megabyte405lirakis: the built-in sip client is _not_  proprietary, it's based on telepathy00:53
megabyte405(well, I mean, the UI is but not the actual guts of it)00:53
lirakismegabyte405: okay cool i thought i read "telepathy" some where.. ill look about00:54
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MangoFusioni can read people's minds with my n800, y'know00:57
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mikedep333package telepathy?01:00
MangoFusioni knew you were going to say that01:01 is what is based on01:01
Robot101you can put presets in for the sip client, its pretty easy01:01
Robot101take a look at /usr/share/osso-rtcom/profiles/01:02
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ZieglerStill having problems with the webcam working when i make sip calls with the n81001:06
Zieglern810 to n81001:06
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lirakissoo... is the 810 .. waaayyy better than the 800?01:08
ZieglerI like the gps and keayboard01:08
ZieglerAnd i got mine for ~$30001:09
Ziegler(Slightly used)01:09
ZieglerFm reciever would be nice01:09
ZieglerBut other than that, I like it01:10
shaprI want the wimax edition!01:10
* KotCzarny got n800 for 15001:10
ZieglerI dont see the big deal about wimax...  Especially since i have not seen it offered much around here01:10
lirakisyeah i want the wimax ed. too01:10
lirakisif sprint actually offers it01:11
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lirakisb/c i dont give a hoot about a umpc if i can only use it at home or at the office01:11
ZieglerI do have a bunch of wifi hotspots in the area01:12
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practisevoodoodo they actually sell 8gb minisd cards?01:14
ZieglerAny in the market for a dell computer?01:14
sp3000how does modest deal with new msg notifications if you have new messages in various folders on an imap account?01:14
ZieglerYes they do01:14
ZieglerWait no01:14
ZieglerMicro sd01:14
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practisevoodoohang on i cant remember which one the n810 uses01:15
sp3000I think I need to only get notifications and autodownload on one folder, in what I'm thinking of doing01:15
ZieglerEbay has been selling a bunch of micri sdhc 8gb cards latley01:15
ZieglerWith adapters for mini and standard01:15
practisevoodoodamn you nokia, you couldnt have just used sodding sd cards could you?01:16
Ziegler< $US 5001:16
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cyberholicgoooooooooood evening everyone!01:16
cyberholicHi General and all you others i already had the pleasure to talk to :)01:16
sp3000oof, isn't happy :(01:16
pupnikthe darn keyboard on n810 is making my 770 very lonely01:17
KotCzarnypupnik: use 770 as a remote display01:17
cyberholicHi everyone, i just finished my latest online project *sigh* within 2 days.. *double sigh*01:18
practisevoodoowhat's sdhc mean?01:18
ZieglerHigh capacity01:18
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cyberholicpractisevoodoo: thats a standard for SD cards... a new one01:18
ZieglerThats what the n810 uses01:19
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cyberholicbut i read somewhere that the n800 also can rad sdhac cards01:19
practisevoodooi cant keep track of all the damn flash memory formats01:19
KotCzarnyeven 770 can read sd/sdhc nowadays01:19
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KotCzarnyit's just a matter of kernel driver01:20
practisevoodooim still annoyed by all the compact flash cards i have01:20
KotCzarnysend them to me01:21
KotCzarnyproblem solved01:21
ZieglerCan n810 read regular sd?01:21
KotCzarnyziegler: yes01:21
cyberholicOk guys... here we go! Would be nice if you could test out my Mojocafe Radio at .... and tell me sum bugs and critics... apart of the fact that i used flash :)01:21
cyberholicand tell me if you found the "hidden area" :)01:23
cyberholicand do not forget to change to fullscreen mode :)01:23
NaviWhere's the icon for the task launcher menu thing?01:24
cyberholicziegler: you mean mine?01:25
ZieglerWondered why it wasnt playing at first01:25
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ZieglerNeed some sort of indicator.  Cyb...yes01:26
cyberholicZiegler: you mean some kind of "loading" indicatore, right? Good idea!01:26
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lirakissoo.. if you guys could get a 770 for $80 .. or a 810 for $350 ... could you explain the thought process for choosing one over the other?01:28
KotCzarnyif you can afford 810. go for it01:28
KotCzarny770 is 2005 technology01:28
cyberholicWell buy the n800, its cheaper then the n810 but better then the 770 :)01:28
KotCzarnyand getting old01:28
lirakisyeah .. i know..01:28
KotCzarnyor get both01:28
lirakis.. that is another question .. is the 810 really worth the extra cash?01:29
KotCzarnyand give 770 for your kids01:29
Jiten_770 I wouldn't touch. n800 vs n810 is a choice I'd have to consider for a while :P01:29
lirakis Jiten_: sold on that  .. 770 is off the list01:29
cyberholicthere are some reviews out there telling wy the 800 is better then the 810. The main questions are: 1. do you need GPS and 2. do you need the keyboard?01:29
cyberholicIf not, then take the n800.01:30
KotCzarnyad2. you can always get bt kb01:30
KotCzarnyad1. bt gps01:30
lirakisi dont need gps01:30
lirakisis the onscreen keyboard pretty good? .. ive never even seen any of these devices in person01:30
cyberholiclirakis: i have the n800 and like kot says: both "missing" things on the n800 can be bundled up with bluetooth devices.01:31
lirakis(except the dummy store models)01:31
lirakis.. i wish i could demo one01:31
KotCzarnylirakis: try nokia's website01:31
KotCzarnyit has flash demo01:31
KotCzarnyi believe01:31
lirakisi meant .. touchy feely demo01:31
cyberholichey people: do you have any internet radio you would like me to add to the Mojocafe Radio?01:31
lirakis.. like try out the keyboard etc. to see if its some thing i would actually need01:32
KotCzarnylirakis: any big shops around?01:32
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KotCzarnyor some online sellers with 30-day money back?01:32
DeformativeDoes anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc?01:32
KotCzarnyDeformative: vmware on intelmac01:32
Jiten_lirakis: the onscreen keyboard is usable quite fast but it's quite easy to make typos with it and it puts large dents in your typing speed to fix them.01:33
lirakishmm .. okay.. so vs the 810 click kb ?01:33
lirakisi mean ... i assume it would be similarly easy to mess up on that...01:34
lirakisi have a blackberry 8700 now.. and i can flub on that01:34
DeformativeKotCzarny: ?01:34
cyberholiclirakis: does the 8700 play flash files?01:34
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lirakiscyberholic: .. no i dont think so.. but i dont care about that really01:35
lirakiscyberholic: i think its funny people are all about wanting to be able to watch youtube on these things01:35
cyberholiclirakis: no. not youtube. i am asking because of porting my project to more devices:
Proteousgreat, a flash video :/01:37
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lirakiscyberholic: a cool01:41
lirakiscyberholic: whats your project called? .. mojocafe??01:41
cyberholicyeah. mojocafe.net01:41
lirakislooks slick01:42
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cyberholicthnx. I want to port that to other devices too.01:42
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cyberholicThats why i asked about the 870001:42
lirakiscyberholic: i think there is some support with commercial apps01:44
cyberholiclirakis: the problem is that i want to keep it free, so i think that the commercial apps would not like that :)01:44
lirakisyeah.. i think the 8700 is out of the picture01:45
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fysalirakis, I often wish I had an N810 instead of an N800 to avoid the horrible onscreen keyboard.01:56
fysaand the extra effective screen real estate you will get by not covering up a browser window with the keyboard.01:56
lirakisfysa: yeah .. it def. seems like it can go both ways.01:56
lirakisi mean .. i can afford a 810 .. but i dont want to spend $350 on a gadget if i can spend 20001:57
lirakisb/c im worried about this being just a gadget that isnt really all that usefull01:57
fysayeah, that's what I thought also.  but now it turns out that the device really is useful, but I am increasingly frustrated at how much more useful it could be with improved input.01:58
fysai.e., writing a note on the go.01:58
practisevoodoolirakis, trust your technolust01:58
lirakisi mean.. having to go from .. app to keyboard.. to app.. etc. would be really annoying01:58
practisevoodooignore usefullness01:58
practisevoodooi've just ignored all my common sense and ordered one, when it arrives ill tell you if i regret it01:59
lirakisi have an eee pc .. and i love it.. i put ubuntu on it and it is great... but im looking at a n series b/c it is more portable.. i mean .. i cant carry the eee in a pocket02:00
lirakis.. but i cant actually do "work" on an n series .. like write full on documents etc.02:00
lirakis(i dont think)02:00
practisevoodooi think you can02:01
lirakisyeah.. i think the 810 could be02:01
practisevoodooand if all else there is the online google word02:01
lirakisbut .. i think the 800 would be tough .. sans keyboard02:01
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lirakiswhat kind of battery life do the 810's get?02:12
johnxit really depends on what you're doing02:15
lirakisunderstood .. but for web browsing.. any estimate02:15
lirakisis it 2 hours? or is it 10 hours?02:15
johnxfor constant web browsing maybe 4 hours or so02:15
johnxit depends on if you're watching flash constantly or reading a static page02:16
elbusing just fbreader I get a *long* time02:17
johnxsame here :)02:17
elbI'm not sure how long, but ... I don't charge often02:17
johnxone of the most important things going into the tablets is to have the right expectations02:17
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lirakisyeah .. i am trying to feel out what it is i can expect before spending a couple of hundred dollars02:18
lirakisid rather not have a sour taste for them .. or a $300 paperweight02:18
johnxtoo many people buy one, and then completely freak out when it doesn't mow their lawn or bring them a cold beer02:19
lirakislike i said.. i have an eee pc .. and it fills a great niche for me02:19
lirakisbut i am really into voip02:19
lirakisand i run my own servers etc02:19
lirakisso id like some thing i can bring with me from home to office etc02:20
lirakisand have a sip phone on there02:20
johnxah, I actually just got off a call on skype, on mine. :)02:20
KotCzarnythink of it as pocketable computer02:20
lirakisso connectivity is a big thing to me02:20
lirakisbut .. i dont know if i have the patients for the wimax ed.02:20
KotCzarny'patience' ?02:20
lirakisand i dont know that any wimax providers will actually be around either02:20
lcuki see the nit as a great game.  a puzzle.  it needs time spending on it to make it perfect, but when you find the right stuff its amazing02:20
johnxah, do you know if you'll be in a wimax coverage area?02:20
lirakisyeah .. sorry patience02:21
lcukevening folks02:21
johnxKotCzarny is the resident grammar/spelling vigilante :)02:21
KotCzarnyhi lcuk02:21
johnxevening lcuk :)02:21
lirakisjohnx: dont know .. ive looked at the sprint site.. i live in manhattan so .. it will either be right away .. or never02:21
lirakisand probably never b/c verizon owns EVERYTHING here02:21
KotCzarnyjohnx: it's either that o me doing errors ;)02:21
lirakis... at any rate02:22
johnxKotCzarny, making errors :)02:22
lcukkot, pressure works as you expect now, and a few more things besides02:22
KotCzarnylirakis: you shouldn't worry, there's always craigslist if you don't like it02:22
KotCzarnylcuk: hoorrray02:22
lirakis.. if a n810 can be as functional for browsing.. document editing as my eee pc ... and give me the portability, and immediate access that the eee doesnt .. id be thrilled02:22
lcukdoes anyone know how i do an inverted line type thing in c.  i want to invert draw some bytes02:22
johnxanyways, my take on my n800. It's great for web surfing, and ebook reading and *light* email (with modest)02:23
KotCzarnyinverted line?02:23
lirakislcuk: are you talking about a bitwise or02:23
lcukyer - reversable drawing so i can draw it once and it shows up, draw the same thing again it goes away and puts back the original bits02:23
KotCzarnyundo bitmap02:23
lirakisi have a prs-500 for ebooks .. it is SICK .. i got it for $50 with the sony rewards deal02:24
lcukvery ugly and not required02:24
lirakisbest $50 i ever spent02:24
KotCzarnylirakis: drm is sick.02:24
johnxno backlight, huh?02:24
lirakisKotCzarny: i dont use the sony connect software.. so .. i dont use any drm books02:24
lirakisKotCzarny: its all plaintext for me :D02:24
lcuki tried but its not having the effect.   buffer[ pos ] ^= 1;     i thought this was how you did it but its not..02:25
* lcuk likes lirakis already02:25
KotCzarnylcuk: hum?02:25
johnxis strange as it sounds I actually prefer reading on a backlit screen, and the N800 is just about as high resolution as a traditional LCD gets02:25
johnxresolution in terms of DPI...02:26
lcukplaintextaholic :) and the line draw is whats buggin me02:26
KotCzarnyjohnx: n8x0 is 225dpi..02:26
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KotCzarnylaptops are ~100dpi02:26
lcukfonts now have correct widths, no more align by 4 nonesense02:26
johnxKotCzarny, I know. That was my point...02:26
KotCzarnyjohnx: i missed the point then.. :)02:26
johnxthat the N800 is nice to read on, because of its high DPI screen02:27
KotCzarnya few inches more would be nice..02:27
KotCzarnyi'm not complaining though02:27
johnxI prefer it to be pocketable02:27
johnxif it's not, then it's pretty useless to me02:28
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KotCzarnybut there's still some space inside02:28
KotCzarnyat currenct form factor ;)02:28
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lirakisi hate nyc sales tax02:28
Navijohnx, yeah, good stuff02:28
NaviI read all my email and rss feeds from it02:29
lirakis8.375% ugh02:29
KotCzarnylirakis: wanna buy me it for you?02:29
johnxlirakis, act soon. They're trying to apply it to online sales too, IIRC...02:29
KotCzarnyif it's online02:29
lirakisjohnx: yeah i know ... the "amazon tax"02:29
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johnxlirakis, so the other question is, how do you feel about using the command line?02:33
Proteouseveryone knows that the command line is like a big drill02:33
johnxhow so?02:33
Proteousa whole hog to be more exact02:33
Proteouser, hole hog02:34
KotCzarnyfor me it's essential02:34
KotCzarnyscripting etc02:34
KotCzarnyyou cannot easily automate tasks with guis02:34
Proteousno one has read "In the beginning was the command line" I guess02:34
johnxI might have read part02:34
johnxNeal Stephenson, yes?02:35
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Proteousyeah, stephenson02:35
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ZieglerDont mean to spam, but i have a $200 gift card to dell that I will sell for a bit less if somone here is looking to make a purchase.  Otherwise, ill just put it on ebay02:45
smackpotatoa bit less of what02:46
ZieglerI dunno 190 for the 200 gift card?02:46
KotCzarnyif it was gift card for nokia.. then maybe02:47
Proteousand for just $20 he will ship the card to you!02:47
dick-richardsonI've been in that position02:47
dick-richardsongift card I'll never use02:47
ProteousI've been in that positron02:47
ZieglerNah, ill give it to you over the phone or whatever02:47
ProteousI was joking :P02:47
dick-richardsonyou've never been in a positron02:48
KotCzarnyhow can you tell?02:48
Proteoushave too02:48
ZieglerLike i said... No biggy, but thought i would offer it here first02:48
dick-richardsonthen what color is it02:48
Proteousit's very, cramped02:48
Proteouscolor, heh, what color is a single photon?02:49
dick-richardsonOMG you HAVE been there, johnx02:49
dick-richardsonbeige is just silly02:49
johnxsome people aren't ready for the truth :) I provide alternatives...02:49
KotCzarnylife is just silly02:49
dick-richardsonkk, if we're going to start being surreal I need a beer02:50
KotCzarnyyeah, i'm dry too02:50
KotCzarnytea time02:50
ProteousI just made some chocolate milk...02:51
dick-richardsonooh, even better02:51
dick-richardsonbeers open though :( maybe I'll just put the syrup in the beer02:51
Proteouslet us know how that goes02:52
ZieglerPancake beer02:52
KotCzarnychocolate suryp02:52
ZieglerYa... But it got me thinking02:52
ZieglerDangerous thing02:52
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dick-richardsonis there an official date for diablo release?03:00
johnx"2Q 2008" :)03:00
dick-richardsonthat's quicker than i'd expected03:00
johnxwell, it might get delayed03:00
johnxI doubt even Nokia knows for sure03:01
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ZieglerHow many of you are beta testers?03:01
skiburI'm looking for a list of default processes that are started from boot on a N800 OS2008.  Anybody know or have a list of them?  I'm trying to find which proccesses have to boot in order for the Tablet to run.03:01
skiburI noticed that I have two of the same process running.03:03
skiburNot sure why.03:03
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DeformativeDoes anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc?03:03
johnxskibur, they're probably supposed to be doing that03:03
johnxZiegler, I don't think Nokia will release a beta of Diablo to anyone outside Nokia...03:04
skiburlike i.e.  temp-reaper03:04
johnxDeformative, I believe it won't, IIRC.03:04
skiburthat is a bible app that run from boot?  I don't even use it on boot03:04
johnxa bible app?03:05
johnxwhat is the process name?03:05
ZieglerOh, i was under the impression that some of you were on the private beta team03:05
dick-richardsonmy n810 would burst into flame with the stuff I've looked at03:05
smackpotatoalot are in etc/rc2.d03:05
johnxtemp-reaper sounds like the thing that cleans /tmp, but I could be wrong...03:05
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johnxZiegler, Not many of us here work for Nokia...03:06
ZieglerRapier is the bible program03:06
Deformativejohnx: :( Why?03:06
johnxYou could poke at Texrat on ITT forums, if you like cryptic responses though :)03:06
* KotCzarny hums ~don't fear the reaper~03:06
smackpotatosome of us dont work at all03:06
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johnxDeformative, probably because qemu isn't up to the same level on PPC as on x8603:07
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DeformativeI do not have an x86 with debian.03:08
johnxYou can run it on vmware on your x86 machine03:08
johnxZiegler, you've heard of tomiphy and numptyphysics, right?03:08
ZieglerNo... Link?!03:08
DeformativeThat would be a pain.03:08
johnxDeformative, sorry, not a lot of other options :/03:09
dick-richardsonisn't there a vmware repo for debian?03:09
smackpotatodont go there ziegler the rest of your life will be waisted03:09
dick-richardsonI know there is for *buntu03:09
johnxZiegler, I don't have the URLs handy, but google won't lie to you I think :)03:09
ZieglerReading through itt forum as i type03:10
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lirakisjohnx: dude.. i live on the command line03:16
lirakisjohnx: (sorry just got back from dinner)03:16
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smackpotatois there a terminal thingy for bluetooth03:16
lirakisjohnx: .. i know how to setup a cross compile toolchain.. etc. so im plenty happy (usually more) working from a terminal03:17
johnxlirakis, you'll be happy with a tablet then :)03:19
lirakisjohnx: how long (and which) have you had?03:20
johnxalmost exactly a year03:20
lirakisjohnx: im pretty well convinced ill be happy.. and that i should get a 810 ...03:20
smackpotatothe 810 has abeautiful screen03:21
johnxyeah, I kinda wish I had the keyboard...03:21
johnxit's not that the onscreen thumboard is that bad. It's actually quite good...but it covers the screen when you're trying to use the terminal03:21
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UserID10THey everyone!03:26
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dick-richardsonHad both the 800 and the 810, 810 is better for me03:29
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lcukkot even03:36
lcukyou know where :) if you twiddle dont break the flow from how it runs at the moment, im in the middle of ideas03:37
lcuksee if you can tell whats changed..03:38
pupnikModel 500 - The Flow03:39
dick-richardsonI'm confused03:40
johnxthat's ok :)03:40
pupnik  KotCzarny, classic from 199503:40
pupniktoo bad the poster didn't know how to make a high bitrate stereo youtube03:41
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UserID10THow would a program like dosbox run on th n800?03:47
mikedep333with minimal porting03:48
mikedep333and an onscreen keyboard03:48
mikedep333you mean how fast03:48
mikedep333well, for games that only required like a 10 mhz cpu or so, I think they would run OK03:48
UserID10TBut the emulation is the hard part isn't it?03:48
UserID10TDoesn't it way down the cpu?03:49
GeneralAntillesIt's already ported.03:49
UserID10Tdosbox is? I didn't see it on maemo :o03:49
mikedep333it's about as hard to emulate it on your x86 windows/linux desktop03:49
mikedep333only the CPU is faster in it (probably)03:49
GeneralAntillesThere's a little secret for finding anything and everything maemo related. Go to google and type: <whateverthehellyouwant> maemo03:49
Navi bu 703:49
mikedep333either way it will run at like 10% of the system's CPU speed03:50
KotCzarnyor less03:50
mikedep333yes, or less03:50
KotCzarnywin95 boots in 30min03:50
mikedep333you seriously have win95 on dosbox?03:50
briandjust about as fast as the original OS booted on intel hardware, then!  ;)03:50
KotCzarnynot me03:50
KotCzarnybut i have read about it somewhere03:50
mikedep333oh, yeah03:50
KotCzarnycould be a fake, but i would believe it03:51
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mikedep333from what I've heard, the best you can do is window 3.x or so03:51
mikedep333there is qemu03:51
mikedep333if somebody were to port it to maemo at least03:51
mikedep333it runs every dos/windows upto server 200303:51
lirakislol asterisk runs on maemo03:52
johnxI don't believe qemu runs on arm03:52
lirakis.. a portable pbx03:52
UserID10TI can't wait to get my 800 :(03:52
johnxI'm pretty sure Windows95 runs on dosbox though...03:52
mikedep333ARM: testing03:52
johnxmight be worth a try03:53
johnxI just can't think of anything that's x86 only that I want on my n800...03:54
mikedep333johnx: you know how to program well enough to port full linux apps to maemo?03:54
UserID10TAnyone know a really cheap place to pick up the 16gb or 32gb sdhc?03:54
mikedep333in the US?03:55
johnxnewegg? google?03:55
UserID10TNewegg had meh prices03:55
mikedep333I would suggest newegg03:55
mikedep333just make sure you get a fast card03:55
UserID10TI found 16gb's as cheap as 30 bucks03:55
UserID10TI forget.03:55
GeneralAntillesnewegg is the best.03:55
mikedep333once you go into SDHC03:55
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UserID10TPERIOD, lol.03:55
mikedep333they have a new speed convention03:55
mikedep333lol, I agree03:55
KotCzarnyjewegg :P03:56
UserID10TI am gonna go register, neweggisthebestPERIOD.com03:56
mikedep333they'll probably sue you for trademark infringement03:57
UserID10TLemme check that out...03:57
UserID10TI'd sue me too.03:57
mikedep333"fast 16MB/s reads and Quick 9MB/s writes. "03:57
pupnikwe've got a thread up on ITT for people to post speed benchmarks for their mini/micro SD cards03:58
UserID10TI wanna get at least 32gb on this beast.03:58
UserID10TWhat does the Class stand for in SDHC?04:00
UserID10TIs that the speed convention?>04:00
KotCzarnyCons: I used it on my Asus EEE PC 701. I installed XP on this SDHC card and it ran perfectly, but only for 29 DAYS. It then completely died and I could not read or write to the card.04:00
UserID10TI saw that Kot.04:00
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KotCzarnyxp on flash memory is evil04:00
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johnxor you had a bad card04:01
UserID10TWhen did SSD get cheap?04:01
KotCzarnyread comments04:01
elbwhy is so slow?04:01
NaviXP makes a lot of writes to the fs and you have no control over it04:01
johnxUserID10T, it depends on the quality04:01
UserID10TYeah again read and write speeds suffer.04:01
KotCzarnythis one particular model seems to have some speed issues04:02
mikedep333the curse of monkey island on ScummVM is very impressive04:02
pupnikscummvm is one of the best ports04:02
ZieglerIs it open to the public?04:02
ZieglerMonkey islan?04:02
mikedep333it's commercial04:02
pupnikno but there are some free games that play in scumvm04:03
UserID10TI LOVE ScummVM so far.04:03
pupnikBASS and some jungle adventure04:03
ZieglerI used to have it when i was younger... Long gone now04:03
mikedep333I bought the curse of monkey island back in 199704:03
UserID10TFor the PC I wasn't finding any games04:03
mikedep333it is probably the most advanced ScummVM game there is04:03
UserID10TI had all the monkeys up to 3.04:03
UserID10TLoved 3.04:03
mikedep333being at 640x48004:03
UserID10Tand LoK04:03
mikedep333and with full motion video04:03
UserID10TLoK was like that too04:03
mikedep333oh, cool04:03
pupnikah 'Flight of the Amazon Queen'04:03
ZieglerI played bass all the way through.. It wasnt bad04:03
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mikedep333I received a copy of monkey island (1) on a PCGamer disc04:03
UserID10TBass I'd never heard of.04:04
ZieglerStill have not played that04:04
KotCzarnybeneath a steel sky04:04
pupnik"Beneath a Steel Sky"04:04
ZieglerBeneath a steel sky04:04
mikedep333Flight of the Amazon Queen and Beneath a Steal Sky are the free scummVM games04:04
KotCzarnynice adventure04:04
UserID10TThat was an ok game.04:04
mikedep333you typically find them in linux distros04:04
UserID10TIt was really complex at some points.04:04
ZieglerThere was one more free one04:04
mikedep333*included with linux distros04:04
UserID10TFull Throttle?04:04
pupnikof the Temptress?04:04
mikedep333"ask me about loom"04:04
UserID10TI heard there was a loom enhanced version out there04:05
UserID10TLike a VGA remake?04:05
mikedep333that was what a guy in the Scumm Bar in monkey island 1 said04:05
mikedep333it was a shameless promotion04:05
mikedep333but made satirical04:05
UserID10TI remember the Loom reference!04:05
UserID10TYou know he references to the new loom game they never made.04:05
UserID10TThey had a name already...there's a wiki on it.04:06
mikedep333doesnt he say it has all this crazy technology?04:06
ZieglerHey who recomended numpty?04:06
UserID10TYeah something like that.04:06
ZieglerThis is fun04:06
mikedep333I still have yet to install numpty physics04:06
johnxit's fun04:06
johnxgo install it now :)04:06
ZieglerFullfills my desire to play crayon physics04:06
pupnikneeds more levels and better difficulty ramp04:06
UserID10TI found a few packs...04:07
UserID10TSo many games04:07
UserID10TMany I hadn't heard of either which was surprising.04:07
UserID10TThe Sequels section04:07
elbnumpty is fun, but a bit frustrating04:09
elbpinning objects and creating a rotating axis seem more natural in the crayon physics videos04:09
elbI have 0.1 or whatever, maybe svn is different04:10
lirakisanyone have a known place with great price on an n810 .. the cheapest ive found is in NYC for 369.99 but ill get slammed with 8.3% tax which bumps it to $40004:10
Navi /bu 604:11
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UserID10TEbay is where I got my new 800 for 15004:11
ZieglerGot mine for ~$30004:11
lirakisZiegler: .. i dont see anything really less than 360 on ebay04:11
UserID10TI've seen the 810s for 300ish04:11
lirakisnib ?04:12
lirakisor .. "like" nib04:12
ZieglerSlightly used... But i missed three that were nib for less than 32504:12
UserID10TI dunno about new04:12
UserID10TI'm looking04:12
ZieglerMine was 1 week used04:12
UserID10TI found one at 355 already04:13
UserID10Tand didn't even sort yet.04:13
ZieglerTrying to get an 8gb card now...  My dumb but missed 3 that went for less than $1004:13
lirakisyeah.. 355 is the lowest .. but .. that will go up04:13
johnxheh...I snagged my n800 from a compusa as a demo/floor model with no stylus a year ago04:14
UserID10THere's one he had for a few days04:14
ZieglerNow i cant find one for less than $50 which is still a good price for 8gb04:14
UserID10TDidn't use the software he wanted.04:14
UserID10TI have found 16gb for 70 with 155x.04:15
lirakisobviously a bright guy .. does lots of reasearch before he spends $40004:15
johnxheh...people need to do a little research every so often...04:15
UserID10TActually that's how I found the n800.  I had bought an upgraded phone and it blows.04:16
ZieglerIf anyone wants to purchase a nit from dell, 8 have a gift card lol04:16
johnxlirakis, have you see the itt forums? Lots of good info and lots of people who didn't RTFM before they bought...04:16
ZieglerI joke... Dell wants to much for the nits04:16
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lirakis... do they make the n810 in 2 different finishes? .. or does it just change a little when you tilt it b/c its a brushed face?04:17
lirakisb/c some look silvery .. and some look gunmetal04:17
GeneralAntillesThe gunmetal is WiMAX04:17
ZieglerDont know if I can get 16gb for the n81004:17
GeneralAntillesNot yet.04:17
lirakisGeneralAntilles: .. nah i mean .. of the wifi version04:17
GeneralAntillesNo, there's only one color of the regular N810.04:18
UserID10TYay mike!04:18
lirakisany one here bluetooth tether it with a bb 8700 ? .. i read some forums where people figured out how to do it well.. just wanted to know if any one had first hand exp. with that04:19
mikedep333now we need a screenshot of that under hildon04:19
GeneralAntillesTry ScummVM, mikedep333?04:19
ZieglerHehe that how we got here04:20
Naviga sux04:21
mikedep333GeneralAntilles: yeah, I was running MI 2 and 3 under it04:21
GeneralAntillesNavi iz phail!04:21
mikedep333I would go and take that screenshot but I played MI 1 recently04:21
UserID10TI miss Codename Iceman04:21
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UserID10TOh wow...I have it...04:23
mikedep333does supertux work for anybody on OS2008?04:23
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dick-richardsonso, that youtube model 500 video, other than having an uber techno beat, was rather uninformative04:25
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dick-richardsonmaybe it's a magic eye04:27
dick-richardsonde nada04:28
ZieglerAny of u scummers get lott to work?04:29
ZieglerLure of the temptress04:29
fireunnot me, cant even get my wifi-browser to find networks.04:29
UserID10TI am downloading it now.04:29
fireunkismet finds plenty though.04:29
ZieglerKismet might be your problem04:29
fireunkismet came after the network problem04:30
ZieglerI have to on ocassion04:30
ZieglerOh ok04:30
fireunwhat I've found on internet tablet talk is that its probably an 802.11n node in the neighborhood04:30
fireunor too many APs within range04:30
fireunof course, there's no real workaround, so I have two 770s that are useless for wifi04:31
* fireun is upset about it04:31
johnxreally? 2?04:31
UserID10TDoes anyone here tether their tablet with a Helio device?04:31
fireunjohnx: both went out same day04:31
fireunthe only explanation that fits is that its external04:31
fireunnot even running the same OS versions04:32
johnxand other things can still see you ap?04:32
fireunsure, two other laptops in the house04:32
fireunjohnx: correction, neither 770 can see ANY networks04:32
ZieglerFireun.... U gps with kismet?04:32
fireununless I run kismet on one, then everything shows up04:32
johnxeven in remote places?04:32
fireunZiegler: no GPS in use at moment04:33
johnxor just at home?04:33
fireunjohnx: so far, just at home04:33
johnxand how many networks are you seeing?04:33
johnxI've seen 30+ on my N800 at once04:33
ZieglerAh...  If you do...  I have a php script to turn the xml logs to a gpx file that works in mapper04:33
shaprI saw 36 in Portland, OR04:33
fireuncame home one day from the cafe (where the 770 was working) and bingo, no available network, and if it DID happen to see networks, attempting to connect to mine gives a network error, then no browsable04:33
fireunjohnx: yeah, countless04:34
johnxI assume that the threshold for being completely overwhelmed by noise is pretty high...04:34
johnxthat's crazy04:34
fireunjohnx: if kismet sees networks, so should the wifi browser04:34
johnxyou'd think that...04:34
fireunlike I said, fairly upsetting.04:34
johnxhave you tried installing wirelesstools and using iwlist/iwconfig04:34
fireuncouldnt find the apropriate package versions, everything says "cant install04:35
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fireunand I've got the latest standard release on the one I'm trying04:35
ZieglerFlash os?04:35
fireunHE on the other I think04:35
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fireunjohnx: no, havnt been successful at installing packages, everything wants to install over the network, and without network.... well04:36
johnxyeah :/04:36
ZieglerFlash the os04:36
ZieglerOr... Dowload debs over usb04:36
fireunjohnx: I just cant find the right packages, in fact, I think I have a non-compat version of ncurses, because this last flash update has no backspace in the xterm04:36
johnxZiegler, he's trying two different 770s with different OS versions...04:36
ZieglerOh missed that04:37
fireunZiegler: again, version compatiblity issues, cant seem to find the right combo04:37
johnxyou know about right?04:37
fireunjohnx: guess not04:38
johnxhas lists of available software and where to get it.04:38
ZieglerHas a nice search bar04:38
fireunI'll try04:38
johnxalso, you should get usbnet setup for easier installing04:38
ZieglerBy os version04:38
johnxtracking down deps by hand is no fun :)04:38
fireunthe maemo stuff has gotten kinda disorganized04:39
fireunand now that the 800/810 is out, no one is still focused on the 77004:39
KotCzarnyi think fanoush is04:39
ZieglerWhere is the love for 770!!!!04:39
johnxwell, Nokia kinda dropped the ball and didn't hand it off to anyone04:39
johnx(ie, didn't release new official updates *and* didn't release the source others needed04:40
fireunjohnx: yeah, everything should be backported04:40
fireunbut instead, its still unstable and crashes04:40
KotCzarnyor at least drivers04:40
mikedep333how much did the 770 first cost?04:40
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mikedep333$400-$500 or so?04:40
mikedep333oh, not too bad04:41
fireun+tax was like 400, but I picked up a second last year for like 14004:41
GeneralAntillesTax is fail.04:41
GeneralAntillesBuy it online.04:41
GeneralAntillesGoot one from woot for $13004:41
fireunwhich makes for like 270 average04:41
fireunmuch more livable04:42
GeneralAntillesMostly as second backup battery for my N800. :D04:42
mikedep333how ironic04:42
mikedep333woot is selling a competitor to our beloved device today04:42
GeneralAntilleswoot always has UMPCs.04:42
KotCzarnyoverpriced and too big04:42
GeneralAntillesToo bad they always have terrible battery life and aren't pocketable.04:42
fireunok, running 4.2007.26-8 on the beat up 77004:43
KotCzarnybut if you don't care it won't fit in your pocket04:43
KotCzarnygo on :)04:43
mikedep333especially with the spinning hard drive in it04:43
pupnikanybody here who would not vote for 2 micro-sd slots in a N900?04:43
johnxanyone here whose vote matters?04:44
KotCzarnyi would like regular sd slot04:44
mikedep333this one is supposed to have 4.5 hours of battery life04:44
KotCzarnyover 2 micro-sd04:44
KotCzarnycheaper and bigger04:44
johnxsorry, pupnik. I didn't mean to be quite that snarky...04:44
mikedep333pupnik: I would say one regular SD and one micro-sd would be a good trade-off04:44
pupnikit was kind of a dumb question04:45
pupnikyeah mikedep333 but in the N810 form factor regular SD is not possible04:45
GeneralAntillespupnik, I wonder about the OMAP and controlling more than 2 card slots.04:45
mikedep333I am hoping they release a non-keyboard and non-GPS 900 and a corresponding 91004:45
johnxI love dual slots, of course. But since Nokia seems to be aiming more and more at the mainstream I doubt that is the direction they're headed...04:45
GeneralAntillesI wish they'd just bundle a 2GB card with the maps on it, though. :\04:46
GeneralAntillesMakes me sad, johnx. :(04:46
mikedep333a 128MB card with my N800 is a joke04:46
GeneralAntillesBundled cards are a joke.04:46
johnxmeh. I just hope we'll see more devs with more mainstream popularity04:46
KotCzarnyat least it's not a 16mb04:46
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KotCzarnyas with some cameras04:46
mikedep333when my dad bought a palm m505 a long time ago04:46
GeneralAntillesI'm saying drop the soldered in card, add a second slot and bundle a 2gb04:47
mikedep333it cam bundled with a 16MB SD card04:47
KotCzarnyit came from the desert04:47
johnxI bet they keep the integrated storage...04:47
GeneralAntillesOh, they definitely will.04:48
johnxI mean if it was me, I'd want a bigger device with enough extra space for a CF slot04:48
johnxCF rox0rs :)04:48
GeneralAntillesIt actually wouldn't be bad to file an enhancement bug on it.04:48
GeneralAntillesSee the 770 hardcover bug for an example.04:48
GeneralAntillesNot gonna change anything on the hardware at this point, but it couldn't hurt.04:48
johnxwhat did that result in again?04:48
KotCzarnyjohnx: how about: insert nand chip here04:48
GeneralAntillesNothing, as they dropped the hardcover design.04:48
lirakisok.. i think im going to get an n810 tomorrow in person... im willing to pay the extra $40 .. for the "now" factor.. and to have a local store if some thing goes horribly wrong04:49
johnxKotCzarny, but see, CF is so much more versatlie than just memory04:49
KotCzarnyis it?04:49
GeneralAntillesUnless, of course, Soyuz was actually something.04:49
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KotCzarnyi hardly see any difference between sd and cf04:49
johnxKotCzarny, it's PCMCIA in a small form factor :)04:49
GeneralAntillesCF would be such a ridiculous waste of space.04:49
GeneralAntillesIt's easy 4-8x SDs worth of card. :P04:50
KotCzarnyjohnx: still, pcmcia is SLOW04:50
KotCzarnyunless you have 32bit cardbus adapter04:50
johnxKotCzarny, not compared to what you'd plug into it04:50
KotCzarnyotherwise it's 16bit and hogging the os04:50
UserID10THas anyone here used the bluetooth laser keyboard?04:50
GeneralAntillesIt sucks04:50
KotCzarnyand believe me, because of the cost of 32bit pcmcia slot it won't see the light04:50
UserID10TI figured.04:50
* Ziegler bidding on a 8gb sdhc card now04:51
GeneralAntillesWorse than anything you can possibly imagine.04:51
GeneralAntillesIt'd be worth it for the kicks if it were $2004:51
GeneralAntillesBut that's about it.04:51
johnxGeneralAntilles, hey, as long as we're dreaming here...I want my CF slot and I don't care how much bulk it adds04:51
KotCzarnyjohnx: buy pcmcia-usb adapter then04:51
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UserID10TWhat would you recommend as a bluetooth wireless?04:51
ZieglerCf over usb?04:51
UserID10TA more portable one.04:51
KotCzarnyand use some grey tape04:51
ZieglerAny of you have ethernet to usb working on an n81004:52
KotCzarnythough ripping innards of cf-usb reader and sticking them to the device would be better04:52
johnxor I'll just keep using my zaurus when I need it...04:52
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you're nuts.04:52
GeneralAntillesPocketable > *04:52
ZieglerThose zaurus.. How do they compare to the nits?04:52
johnxmy Zaurus C1000 is pocketable :)04:53
GeneralAntillesOld and slow!04:53
* GeneralAntilles ducks.04:53
johnxold, and slower, yes04:53
johnxbut the keyboard wins04:53
Naviand like, twenty bucks04:53
Navibuy one now!04:53
fireunjohnx: iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries cannot opey04:53
johnxis there more to that fireun?04:53
fireunjohnx: on the HE 770 there is: cannot open shared object file: no such file o directory04:54
NaviThat thing is weird04:54
fireunbut the wireless-tools package installed04:54
johnxNavi, which thing?04:54
fireunjohnx: on both devices04:54
Navi Zaurus C100004:54
johnxweird in what way? That it's essentially a dictionary running Linux?04:55
NaviYeah :P04:55
johnxyeah, I should really install a dictionary on it again...04:55
johnxfireun, sorry, no ideas here if it doesn't tell you which file is missing04:55
pupnikboo iwconfig wlan0 txpower  doesn't seem to work with n81004:56
KotCzarnyjohnx: probably
fireunjohnx: all screwball04:56
KotCzarnystrace it04:56
Naviooh, guess what04:56
Navicomix's temp folder was taking up 60MB of my internal flash04:57
UserID10Tchicken butt?04:57
pupnikyeah Navi, comix sucks like that04:57
NaviI now have space to install apps again :P04:57
fireunwhats the best version to run on the 770?04:57
lirakisi appreciate every one's input here... thanks all!04:57
Navipupnik, meh, I hacked up the script04:57
Navistill sucks04:57
NaviTries too generate thumbnails way too often04:57
fireunrunning 4.2008.7-1 on the beat up 77004:57
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Navipupnik, I wanted to try to bulid comical, but it doesn't build against the newest wxwidgets04:59
Naviand active development on it has halted05:00
ZieglerIm using pidgin for irc....  Is irssi availible?  Yes i amsearching...  But i wondered if there were other recs.05:00
pupnikNavi, is there any way to seek in the .rar or .zip ?05:01
Naviseek what?05:01
fireunjohnx: alright, fed up and frustrated again, will just have to revisit this problem later, see if anything works then.05:01
fireunjohnx: thanks for the ideas05:01
pupnikdoes comix decompress the whole archive at once?05:01
johnxfireun, sure. sorry to hear that, though :/05:02
fireunyeah, having two devices crap out on wifi is no bueno05:02
Navipupnik, probably05:02
fireunits the whole point05:02
fireundamn nokia05:02
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fireuntwo expensive paperweights now.05:02
KotCzarnyif you will be selling them cheap..05:03
ZieglerEbay em05:03
fireunnah, wait another 6 months and someone with more energy will have found the solution and posted it05:03
fireunand I can still throw movies on the 2G card and take with me05:03
ZieglerNot if wimax comes out  ;-p05:03
johnxI kinda doubt it at this point. If you get usbnet going and give me a shell, I'll try and fix it though :)05:04
KotCzarnyso not exactly paperweight05:04
fireunjohnx: maybe tomorrow, my attention span has checked out for the day05:04
pupnikfireun, you can examine package dependencies and download everything manually.  it's a PITA but it can work05:04
ZieglerWhat devices do you all use for ethernet to usb05:04
johnxfireun, I know the feeling :)05:04
fireunjohnx: yeah, and I'm no newbie either05:04
fireunjohnx: you dont want to know how many WRTs I have05:05
ZieglerForgot about xchat05:06
ZieglerGents.. Till next time... Imout05:07
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pupnik  mmmm nice wlan antenna05:07
KotCzarny110EUR ?05:08
pupnikyeah and it's pretty conspicuous05:11
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pupnikcouse it all includes 19% sales tax05:22
mib_kr7cv8gchola hijos de puta05:22
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mikedep333my isn't pretty today?05:23
GeneralAntillesI like the new look.05:23
GeneralAntillesMidguard is such garbage.05:23
johnxit's part of their "get the code" campaign :D05:24
johnxnow you "have the code." yay!05:24
fysamidguard is painful.05:24
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Proteoushmm, I get a bunch of nasty PHP code in the righthand sidebar of maemo.org05:41
johnxOMG, you hacked it!05:41
johnxyeah, we all do. :)05:41
ProteousI DID, OH NOES05:42
ProteousI didn't mean to, don't call the cops on my05:42
johnxlike I said, now you "Have the code!" yay!05:42
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johnxbut on they give you the code right on the page, which is way better. :D05:57
GeneralAntillesScrew svn, front-page html code checkouts are the way of the future!05:58
mikedep333but do they have cheesy communist/hacker banners to help you worship the code?05:58
johnxscreen scraping is the new scm!05:59
johnxI really forgot how awesome the mozilla banners were :)06:01
* johnx looks for an old mozilla theme for firefox...06:02
mikedep333there was a communist/mozilla party theme for the original mozilla06:03
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mikedep333good night all06:06
mikedep333good night nokia n80006:06
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EruditeHermitis the microB source available?07:48
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GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, MicroB and gtkmozembed are open.08:02
GeneralAntillestablet-browser is not, though.08:02
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qwerty12Navi, If you are there, sorry for missing the rss deb link. I just saw it now in the log. Thanks!08:49
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qwerty12Out of question, has anyone managed to build higher than of the application manager? I got that built. Make deb wasn't working so I used the debian folder from (the version on the device) but I found so buggy. I reverted back to
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doc|homeanyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode09:23
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NaviI love these posts
qwerty12Lol, they annoy me. They frequently come on another forum I'm on too.09:38
qwerty12Must be common then :P09:39
GeneralAntillesGo buy one, Navi!09:39
NaviSpam bots are common everywhere09:39
GeneralAntillesTell us if those deals are real!09:39
qwerty12I'm more ashamed as this post is from the UK :(09:39
qwerty12Teh Shame!09:39
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KotCzarnylet's flag it?09:40
KotCzarnywrong on so many levels09:41
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keesjgp32x only 150 ....09:58
keesjsame price as a ds ..09:58
qwerty12Meh, I'd rather get the gp32x. Never liked the DS or the games on it. Saying that, I have a psp.09:59
doc|homeanyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode10:03
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janii recon some gp32x devs are doing new handheld console too..10:09
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rektidehmm arm unit with mmu10:11
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keesjjani: yes that new thing is very sexy (3d and such)10:13
keesjbut $CURRENT_MODEL lacks wifi imho10:14
keesjpupnik: what what that called again?10:14
janikeesj: specs are nice but design wasnt that sexy =))10:15
GeneralAntillesi.e. horrifying10:15
keesjbut the gp32x has bigger problem then the tablets (the use/real developer ratio...)10:15
GeneralAntillesN900 will end up with very similar specs.10:16
keesjyes , in the next year wel will see a lot of 3d arm based things i guess10:16
GeneralAntillesThere's a lot now.10:17
GeneralAntillesThey're just not very interesting 3d gaming platforms.10:17
keesjbut if there are not real gamer button there is really no need to 3d10:17
GeneralAntillesWiimote/BT keyboard10:18
GeneralAntillesOr just steal Quake's control scheme.10:18
doc|homeGeneralAntilles: there's an 'operating system' option in the upgrade list10:18
GeneralAntillesOnly in Red Pill, doc|home.10:18
GeneralAntillesQuake's control setup is basically perfect for the tablets.10:19
keesjwiimote and keyboard are nice but not in the train10:19
GeneralAntillesMore N800 than N81010:19
doc|homehmmm, anyone mind reminding me how I check for red pill? I flashed this device and didn't set red pill on it again10:19
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GeneralAntillesJust turn it off.10:19
doc|homemean :(10:20
GeneralAntillesNo, seriously.10:20
* doc|home goes back into his corner10:20
GeneralAntillesMenu Tools -> Application catalogs -> New matrix . . . blue10:20
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doc|homeah bugger, it took my repos, that's why :/10:21
doc|home(in the backup)10:21
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JaffaMorning, all10:28
Jaffadoc|home: GeneralAntilles is right - Red Pill mode is a curse, not a blessing.10:28
doc|homeit is, will reflash without it10:30
doc|homestupid thing carried over :/10:30
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qwerty12Erm, how important is the pkgDepCache in Commenting it out was the only way I could get a compile :/10:45
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pupnikhi keesj i do not understand the question11:12
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keesjpupnik: I was searching for the "Pandora" name11:29
pupnikthey are at very early stages11:29
pupnikit might still be possible to drive through an open-source maemo to that platform11:30
pupnikthey will be bootstrapping the community with a very simple kernel, bootloader and a few emus11:30
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GeneralAntillespupnik, Debian + Matchbox/Hildon works fairly well for that.11:38
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pupnikyeah, i just want more cooperation11:38
pupnikbecause people power is limited on these platforms11:39
pupniklook at the crappy stuff i did11:39
pupnikmost of it hasn't been done well yet11:39
pupnikthere is a real labor shortage11:39
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pupnikand frankly, linux versus proprietary OSes isn't just a hobby11:40
pupnikit's a crusade, for security and individual privacy11:40
pupnikthe effects might not be significant now, but they might be, andthey could be very important in the future11:40
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:41
pupnikso viable open source computing has deep social implications11:41
pupnikand nokia tablets are on the forefront of bringing that to a pocket size11:41
pupnikhi AD-N77011:42
pupniksome people might realize this instinctively11:42
pupnikothers like myself promote it very consciously11:42
pupnikauditable, open-source operating systems, on all hardware platforms, are a vastly important project for mankind11:43
keesjpupnik: what a speech!11:44
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pupnikthanks keesj11:45
keesjpupnik: just imagine what can happen when  3d printing and pastic chips to become avaiable!11:46
pupniki mean no disrespect but i do not understand that11:46
glasshw replicators11:47
keesjpupnik: you are talking about the inpact of free software right?11:47
keesjwhat would happen is the hardware also becomes free? (as in open-source free)11:48
pupnikglass, i don't see self-building things happening in our lifetimes11:48
pupnikoh ok11:48
keesjand you can create your own pandora11:48
keesjpupnik: it is already happening11:48
pupnikgames aren't important, but providing games for linux helps keep it viable11:49
pupnikthat's beyond my life-time frame, in my opinion11:50
GeneralAntillesMeh, mass production will always be cheaper and better.11:50
robtaylorpupnik: naa, its really nearly here11:50
robtaylorpupnik: i know a company in cambridge that prints ICs11:50
robtaylorpupnik: you can buy a deposition printer for <50k11:50
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pupnikah cool11:50
pupniktech always has a trend towards cheap and shareable11:51
pupniksimple example, bycicles with suspensions11:52
pupniknow dirt cheap - back in 1997, very expensive11:52
X-Fade_hrw: ping?11:53
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crashanddiew00t w00t12:16
crashanddieMembers of the EEA don't need a working permit to live in the UK :D12:17
qwerty12crashanddie, nice :)12:17
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hrwX-Fade: pong12:19
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qwerty12Any kernel experts here? "I'm getting when running make: WARNING: "copy_page" [fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko] undefined! make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make: *** [modules] Error 212:22
tbfcan i tell the n800 not to power down when the power-plug is connected?12:22
X-Fadehrw: Regarding your blog post and google search:
tbfthis frequent power down is very annoying for hacking.12:22
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crashanddietbf, define "power down" ?12:23
tbfcrashanddie: it dims the screen after some seconds and sometime later it even seems to sleep...12:24
hrwX-Fade: thx - will mention12:24
tbfcrashanddie: at least that's the impression sbrsh/ssh give me12:24
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qwerty12Tried settting the option to leave the backlight on while charging?12:24
X-Fadehrw: You got me all stressed out ;) I worried that something broke there..12:24
tbfcrashanddie: to make it react on network traffic again i have to touch the screen12:24
tbfqwerty12: there is such an option?12:25
crashanddietbf, never had anything like that, you could try what qwerty12 said12:25
crashanddietbf, yeah sure12:25
qwerty12tbf, in control panel, display12:25
hrwX-Fade: the problem is more then searching for maemo info you mostly get blogs or other random places then maemo12:25
crashanddietbf, display options "Display stays lit:" change "Never" to "When Charging"12:26
hrwX-Fade: for some searches maemo website was after 20-30 results12:26
tbfqwerty12, crashanddie: oh. let's see if this helps12:26
tbfthanks alot12:26
X-Fadehrw: ?12:26
crashanddietbf, though, I've never had any problem like you said12:26
crashanddietbf, N800 or N810 ?12:26
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tbfcrashanddie: N80012:26
qwerty12Which OS?12:26
tbfqwerty12: OS200812:27
hrwX-Fade: I got used to not have to add it because it is often easier to find good info on users sites then on maemo ones12:27
crashanddietbf, my N800 is at school, but I definitely don't have that problem on the N81012:27
qwerty12tbf, I haven't had that problem but it has been said to happen before.12:27
X-Fadehrw: Unfortunately we can't change google siterank :) Link to more pages at and they will show up higher in the results...12:27
hrwX-Fade: contra - second one gives solution on 3rd link12:28
hrwX-Fade: would be great if someone will clean up wiki to have /os2006/ /os2007/ /os2008/ etc12:28
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tbfosso_software_version: RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR012:29
hrwX-Fade: often user can get page with infos looking interesting but only for os2006 on 77012:29
X-Fadehrw: We are going to do a wiki restructure soon..12:29
hrwX-Fade: cool12:29
X-Fadehrw: And move it to a mediawiki ;)12:29
tbfqwerty12: hmm... maybe i should get used of using the usb network link, instead of the wireless link12:29
* Jaffa gets Mrs Jaffa to investigate Berlin flights for LinuxTag, given I've got my cousin's wedding the weekend after12:30
crashanddieLinuxTag ?12:30
X-FadeJaffa: Going too? Cool, see you there :)12:30
hrwX-Fade: will you be on linuxtag?12:31
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X-Fadehrw: Quim planned a talk for me there..12:31
X-FadeSo I guess I have to go ;)12:31
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hrwX-Fade: I hope to be there12:32
X-FadeHeh.. Currently I'm planned to do the first talk of the track.12:32
GeneralAntillesLinuxTag is gonna be some good stuff.12:34
GeneralAntillesBe sure to get that stuff recorded! :D12:34
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mbufif i would like to have maemo mapper and maemopad integrated into a single application, how would i go about it?12:42
keesjmbuf: in what way?12:42
mbufalso be able to minimize, maximize each application;12:43
mbufkeesj, into a single code base;12:43
mbufkeesj, for example, i want to write gps code to handle both mapper and maemopad; but, these are currently standalone applications; so, i would like to integrate them into one application12:44
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qwerty12Edit. I fixed my kernel problem ^-^, insert EXPORT_SYMBOL(copy_page); into arch/arm/kernel/armksyms.c after  EXPORT_SYMBOL(__strnlen_user);12:45
qwerty12Edit? eek, im not on a forum.12:45
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GeneralAntilleserm, mbuf, why not just go through gpsd?12:53
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mbufGeneralAntilles, each application should add support for it?12:53
GeneralAntillesWhy do you need Maemo Mapper?12:54
GeneralAntillesJust for GPS info?12:54
mbufGeneralAntilles, it was just an example; maybe think of another application12:54
mbufGeneralAntilles, for each application, for the task it does, i want to dump GPS locations to a file;12:55
GeneralAntillesUse gpsd, then.12:55
mbufGeneralAntilles, ok12:55
GeneralAntillesActually, there's probably a document on for location-aware stuff.12:55
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mbufGeneralAntilles, so, the applications will have to use gpsd; but, i would like to know as to how i can put these applications into a single code base;12:58
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GeneralAntillesWhich applications?13:01
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mbufGeneralAntilles, for example, maemopad, maemoxyz13:02
mbufGeneralAntilles, i don't want the user to use separate instance of maemopad; i would like to integrate them into a single application;13:03
mbuf*them == maemopad, maemoxyz, et. al.13:03
GeneralAntillesWrite Canola plugins.13:03
GeneralAntillesThat'd work well for that.13:03
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keesjYes canola plugins ...13:04
keesjbut specialy because I don't see much common between a mapper and a pad besides libs13:05
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mbufkeesj, GeneralAntilles yes that was what i was looking for; will look into canola plugins13:06
keesjis that open already?13:07
GeneralAntillesThe plugin framework.13:08
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cyberholicGoood morning :)14:17
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cyberholicoh... i though x-fade would be a dj tool :)14:32
X-Fadehrw: Hehe, you didn't need to do that. But thanks ;)14:32
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hrwX-Fade: I prefer to clarify such errors for some time14:34
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X-Fadehrw: Ok.14:35
Cptn-N800Wohooo got a lense for my (non dslr) digicam :D now i can stalk people miles away14:35
Cptn-N800I mean...photograph birds14:35
GeneralAntillesNon DSLR with interchangeable lenses?14:36
Cptn-N800It triples the zoom of my a650, so 630mm14:36
Cptn-N800And with 12mpix i can afford to crop14:36
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Cptn-N800Its a lense that goes on top of the one thats on the cam14:37
GeneralAntillesAh, right.14:37
* GeneralAntilles just upgraded to DSLR a couple weeks ago.14:37
GeneralAntillesIt's like a whole new beautiful world.14:37
Cptn-N800I couldnt afford one so got the a650 instead14:37
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ynezzCptn-N800: some sample foto pls14:38
GeneralAntillesCanon's A-series is stupid cheap with beautiful CCDs.14:38
Cptn-N800Im at school atm :/ had to leave my cam 3e min afteri got the lense. I expect pic quality to not be perfect with that lense, but for 890 usd shipped...14:39
Cptn-N800I dont even want to know how much that kind oftele would cost on a dslr. And i got the a650 for 140 less than it normally costs here in norway14:41
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johnxDo you like the cam? I was looking at an A590 or A570...14:42
mbufthere is no emacs in scratchbox?14:42
kulveyou can use emacs from the outside14:43
kulveemacs /scratchbox/users/me/home/me/...14:43
Cptn-N800Yeah i love it. Its not a dslr, but for me it does the job and then some. The macro modus is especially fun, as it basically has no limit and can focus a cm away from the lense14:43
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mbufkulve, ok14:44
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Cptn-N800As with all superzoom cams, high iso means noise, so i use it at iso 80 all the time. The image stabilizer helps in that aspect with allowing longer shutter speeds14:44
hrwCptn-N800: iso80? not 50 or 100?14:45
johnxyeah, I'm looking in the <$200USD range and not seeing anything that looks much better than the a570/59014:45
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Cptn-N800Hrw: no iso 80 is lowest. 80-100-200-400 etc14:46
Cptn-N800I was worried with 12wmpix on a small sensor, but image quality is very good. And with that resolution you can crop the shit out of stuff14:47
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johnxright now, I'm shooting with a coolpix 2500, so just about anything is a step in the right direction14:48
Cptn-N800I had a 4yo konica minolta z1014:48
hrwCptn-N800: tx14:48
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Cptn-N800I have some example pics online (without new lense)p if i can remember the url... Think its
Cptn-N800Either that or /a65014:49
johnxmy coolpix is from circa ~2002 I believe :) neat, I'll look at the pics14:50
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Cptn-N800They are 12mpix and not edited so beware14:50
johnxalright :)14:51
Cptn-N800The flash has variable strength setting... I dunno if thats normal on cams these days but it was the first time id seen it14:51
Cptn-N800Useful for macros14:51
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johnxare all these shots handheld?14:52
Cptn-N800Some are 1/15 shutter, sjhows how well the stabilizer works14:52
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I can do nothing but recommend the Canon A-series.14:52
johnxthat's what I'm getting from reviews too :)14:53
GeneralAntillesThere's really nothing better in that price and size range.14:53
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GeneralAntillesThough DSLR is really worth it if you have the cash.14:54
Cptn-N800I was looking at some other cams, but basically gave them up because they didnt use SD14:54
Cptn-N800I hate xD cards14:54
Cptn-N800Expensive, low capacity shit14:54
johnxGeneralAntilles, yeah, pretty hard to justify the cost, for what it will get used for. And also, I'd rather have a cheaper cam that I'm not terrified of breaking so that it can actually be used in more, aheam, "adverse" situations14:55
johnxadverse as in rain, etc14:56
Cptn-N800Wt fock are you taking pics of? ;)P14:56
Cptn-N800*Slaps self*14:56
johnxheh :D14:56
Cptn-N800I want the underwater house for the a650 but its expensive14:56
johnxif I get a new cam, maybe I'll try putting my coolpix in a ziploc bag :D14:57
Cptn-N800I got three cams now... Trying to sell the crappy hp r72714:57
Cptn-N800Cams without manual mode is scarily uselss14:57
johnxagreed :/14:58
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Cptn-N800Now i want the wide angle convertor for the cam... 0.5tx means 19mm14:59
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cyberholicHi everyone, do you listen to some webradio? I am seeking for some internet stations to implement into the Mojocafe Radio15:04
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cyberholicyeah.... you want me to implement it to the Mojocafe Radio?15:15
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cyberholicAnd what kind of Station you want to hear?15:16
aquatixpersonally, indifferent, as i don't use mojocafe [yet] :)15:16
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GeneralAntillesPhil Hendrie 24/7! :D15:16
cyberholicBut have you check the Mojocafe Radio? you do not need to be registered there.15:16
aquatixwell, secret agent radio is nice15:16
aquatixnot yet15:16
aquatixwill install mojocafe when at home15:16
cyberholicBut its Flash again :) ... you do not need to install anything... as long as i think *gg*15:17
keesjhere is an other yet very simple to implement idea for linuxtag15:17
aquatixyeah, but i'm at work now :/15:17
keesja n810 speed typing contest15:17
cyberholicah. ok.15:17
GeneralAntillesI like a thumbboard typing contest more. :D15:18
* GeneralAntilles wins that one.15:18
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mbufwhy does the "TooTwo" not get displayed in the second window, when button is clicked initially?
aquatixkeesj: can i join in with my bluetooth kb? ;)15:18
jottaquatix: cheater! :)15:18
keesjsure , but you must stand15:19
jottstand the bt jammer15:19
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jottsomething network related would be nice for linuxtag15:19
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jottlike lxdoom network mode deathmatch15:20
jottand some simple bluetooth app could/should be written for proximity fun15:21
jottbroadcast irc handle + picture ;)15:21
mbufok, there can be only one g_set_application15:23
keesjyes, I think something with bt might be easy / quick win15:23
jottit just needs the "extra nit factor"15:24
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crashanddieAnyone joining with a BT KB will be allowed to enter, only if they type with their feet15:26
crashanddieor nose15:26
jotthas tux typing a network mode?15:27
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aquatixkeesj: i'll strap some mini-table around me then ;)15:29
cyberholicput a BOMB image as wallpaper on it and call yourself a suicide bomber!15:29
cyberholicoh, by the way - i just found it yesterday, but kept ROFL.....
hrwjott: gabble?15:30
hrw is also nice YT15:31
crashanddiembuf, does g_signal_connect, and more specifically G_CALLBACK() send the right parameters ?15:31
crashanddiembuf, to new_window () that is ,15:31
crashanddiecyberholic, yeah, that's probably one his best ;)15:31
cyberholichrw: LOOOL!15:32
crashanddiecyberholic, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening15:33
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crashanddiecyberholic, woops, that wasn't for you, I just noticed15:53
crashanddiembuf, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening15:53
cyberholicgot that :)15:53
mbufcrashanddie, i get warning for GLIB: trying to reset g_set_application; so that is fixed now15:54
crashanddiembuf, you fixed the problem ?15:54
mbufcrashanddie, just didn't call g_set_application twice15:55
crashanddieoh right15:55
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crashanddiembuf, if you have another problem, just ask :)15:56
mbufcrashanddie, thanks15:56
crashanddiembuf, I'm not familiar with procedural GTK, but most same principles apply15:56
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crashanddiePython must be popular at your unis16:00
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RST38hX-Fade: Are you there?16:49
X-FadeRST38h: Yep..16:49
RST38hX-Fade: I would like to place a few of my applications into extras repository, and people at ITT recommended I talk to you about it16:50
X-FadeRST38h: I can send you an invite for that. What is your username on garage?16:51
RST38hX-Fade: I only have a account for now, it is "fms"16:51
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X-FadeRST38h: Yeah, that is the same ;)16:53
X-FadeRST38h: What applications do you want to upload?16:53
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RST38hX-Fade: For now, VGBA (see
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RST38hX-Fade: Later - fMSX, Speccy, ColEm16:54
GeneralAntillesWoo, emus!16:54
X-FadeRST38h: You should receive an invite shortly.16:54
johnxRST38h, BTW, thanks for VGBA. It rocks. :)16:55
RST38hYou are welcome :)16:56
hrwX-Fade: extras(-devel) takes debs, debs+source or source only?16:56
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X-Fadehrw: debs and debs+source works for sure. Not sure about source only.16:58
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RST38hShit, I have no pgp installed =(16:59
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RST38hAlthough gpg seems to be there...17:00
X-FadeRST38h: gpg should be enough..17:00
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RST38hIt won't generate me a key pair =(17:02
RST38hWill SSH key be sufficient?17:02
X-FadeRST38h: No, because you have to sign your packages.17:03
RST38hOk, going to find some place with correctly set up gpg17:03
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RST38hX-Fade: That is the exact line I am having problems with17:17
RST38hOne of the gpg dependencies is missing on our system17:18
X-FadeRST38h: Are you doing this on the device?17:18
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RST38hX-Fade: Not really :)17:20
X-FadeRST38h: Good ;)17:21
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dennyso let's say that hypothetically, I'd reflashed my tablet, installed openssh again, and when I try to sudo su - in the terminal, I keep getting wrong password errors...  :)17:30
dennydo I have to reflash again, or is there a way to reset the root password?17:31
||cwdenny: sudo gainroot17:31
dennythrows some kind of error, as I recall17:31
X-Fadedenny: Enable r&d mode and use sudo gainroot..17:31
dennyalways did even before I flashed it though17:31
johnxdenny, grab easyroot from and type root17:32
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keesjaquatix: you need to bring and internet tablet . not a table to the contest17:37
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* aquatix brings both ;)17:37
aquatixand that kb17:37
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keesj"for sale: internet table"17:37
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keesjwhy not also wear some mickey mouse suite so nobody can see what you are up to17:38
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aquatixkeesj: heheh, sounds like an ebay bestseller17:40
* aquatix prefers skimasks17:40
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johnxisn't that microsoft's new thing? :P17:40
aquatixskimasks or internet tables?17:41
dennyjohnx: okay, that did it - thanks.  Do I now have a big security hole, or does that only work from local terminals?17:41
johnxThe Microsoft Internet Table has a certain ring that "Surface" just doesn't capture...17:41
aquatixah :)17:41
aquatixi've seen better implementations17:41
johnxdenny, only works from a local terminal17:41
aquatixfor a lot less money17:41
dennygreat - thanks again17:41
dennyanybody want to take a guess at why my tablet keeps unmounting the internal memory card?17:42
dennyit was doing it before and after I reformatted it17:42
denny(using the file manager)17:42
RST38hunmounting or mounting read-only?17:42
johnxN800, N810, 770?17:42
denny810, unmounting17:42
elbdenny: are you using USB networking?17:44
aquatixdoes dmesg say something about it?17:44
dennyelb: nope17:44
dennyaquatix: didn't think to look  *blush*17:44
* denny does so17:44
dennyI swear, I keep forgetting this thing is a linux box  :)17:44
johnxyou probably realize, but it unmounts it when connected to USB of course, so the host computer can access it17:44
elbeven simply mounting the device as a mass storage device might unmount it, actually17:44
* denny blinks17:45
dennyI didn't realise that17:45
* denny thinks17:45
dennymakes sense17:45
elbwhen you disconnect it, it should remount17:45
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RST38hX-Fade: Do you know of a standard workflow for SDK+ users?17:49
RST38hOr is it the same?17:49
X-FadeRST38h: Make/sign deb, upload? :)17:50
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RST38hI can also submit it as non-free, right?17:53
X-FadeWe don't like non-free ;)17:53
X-FadeRST38h: There are no non-free applications in extras at the moment.17:54
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Cptnodegardlol this thing is amusing17:56
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Cptnodegard^thats 5-6km away from here17:57
dennyI can't tell what's happening in that image17:58
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Cptnodegardi know17:59
Cptnodegardthe point is its 6 km away17:59
Cptnodegardi need a tripod18:00
johnxthat's pretty crazy though18:00
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TheFoolCptnodegard: What camera are you using? And what lenses? That is really impressive to me, especially without a tripod18:02
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Cptnodegardcanon a650is with a $70 3x zoom multiplier lense from Degital Concepts18:03
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TheFoolThat...thats it?18:04
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Cptnodegard$400 worth of equipment18:04
Cptnodegardwonder how much paparazzis get paid18:05
dennyCptnodegard: oh, right.  Yes, that is impressive  :)18:05
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Cptnodegard  <- equipment used18:05
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Cptnodegardbeware cell phone pic18:06
johnxahaha...that is a serious lens18:06
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aquatixheh, 18x zoom?18:07
* aquatix should get that lense for his gf's compact18:08
TheFoolHe says its a $70 3x zoom...So not that serious. And I guess canons image stabilization stuff really works for 6km to have minimal blur. And frankly it looks out of focus not motion blurred18:08
aquatixthat canon does 10x, times 3... yum :)18:08
aquatixTheFool: 3x extra zoom on top of the 6x zoom his camera does18:08
* aquatix needs a nice lense for his dSLR18:08
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Cptnodegardcam does 6. the lense triples that18:09
Cptnodegardso 630mm18:09
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Cptnodegardsome real comparisons18:15
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inzI always thought it was Captain Nodegard18:17
X-FadeHeh, me too..18:17
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Cptnodegardeveryone does18:18
Cptnodegardcpt'n odegard18:18
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qwerty12Question, How do I repack a deb file that's in it's compiled deb form if I don't have the original debian folder for it? I'm trying to modify the mmc-unionfs deb.18:32
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johnxjust use ar -x to unpack and I believe something like ar -q to repack18:35
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qwerty12Ok, thanks. Does the md5sums file need regenerating or does ar handle that?18:35
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johnxar won't handle that18:35
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johnxalso, when using ar, be sure that debian-binary is the first file on the command line18:36
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qwerty12Ok, thanks.18:36
johnxbut check in the md5sum to see what files it lists18:36
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johnxyou might not even edit a file that is listed18:36
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qwerty12Just out of question, does dpkg refuse to install a file if the md5sums don't match?18:37
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johnxdunno, never tried18:37
qwerty12ok, same here. I guess I'll find out.18:37
qwerty12:) Hehe, I want to make trying out union-fs easier. I built it for OS2008 but as the original deb is for a 770/OS2006, I want to make it easier for an OS2008 device. Thanks.18:38
johnxsure, I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)18:39
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qwerty12I've posted my work already :), just got to make setting it up easier. The 2 fails for me is that I cannot extend /home/user (the system segfaults) and extending on boot will not work due to the mmc not being available. I'm not sure if I can fix the segfault but I'm looking into fixing the bootup problem.18:40
johnxyeah, saw the post18:41
johnxI wonder when the cards become available18:41
johnxI think scripts may be executed on card mount, if so, maybe you could check for a file like .card-has-unionfs and if so do something to setup unionfs18:42
qwerty12I'm not sure, I saw being listed in one of the init scripts but looking in that just mounts a vfat partition. As unionfs needs ext2, it doesn't help me.18:42
qwerty12Probably, thanks for the idea :)18:42
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johnxI've had it automount my ext3 card before I'm pretty sure though (much to my regret, as metalayer crawler took one look and went insane)18:43
johnx"OMG! symlinks!" *starts twitching*18:45
johnx^dramatic re-enactment^18:45
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Khertan_n810hi !18:49
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Khertan_n810is there a maemo repository maintainer here ?18:49 kernel panic'ed inside qemu O_o18:50
X-FadeKhertan_n810: What's up?18:50
Khertan_n810hi x-fade18:50
Khertan_n810i ve uploaded last week some packages in extras devel18:50
Khertan_n810but since i ven t any news18:51
X-FadeKhertan_n810: I already told you in 2 separate emails that the changes and .dsc files were incorrect.18:51
Khertan_n810does there havent be verified since ? or does there is error with18:51
X-FadeUntil you fix them, nothing will happen.18:51
Khertan_n810xfade i ve made change since18:51
Khertan_n810and reupload them18:52
Khertan_n810is there still error ?18:52
Khertan_n810ps i ve upload it directly with scp18:52
Khertan_n810when i compare it to the example i see no differences ...18:53
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: Then I can't easily see what happened. Probably they were not signed correctly?18:53
Khertan_n810(maybe i need to change my glasses :) )18:53
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Khertan_n810can i upload it like the last time ? (not with scp ?)18:54
Khertan_n810but src packages don t contains rules so automake wont work18:55
Khertan_n810i ve tryed to reproduce what dput do18:55
X-FadeKhertan_n810: What package did you upload?18:55
Khertan_n810homeip, homefreedisk18:55
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: I see them in the incoming dir. Let me see what is wrong.18:57
Khertan_n810(connection may drop i m in the train)18:57
Khertan_n810hi lopz18:58
X-FadeKhertan_n810: There is still an extra linefeed between Files: and the md5sum lines..18:58
Khertan_n810arg ...18:58
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: But worse. Your .dsc files aren't signed!18:59
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: So that is a reason to block them for sure.18:59
X-FadeKhertan_n810: homeip-0.0.4.dsc is not PGP signed.19:00
Khertan_n810the first version that i ve send don t have sign in desc19:00
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Khertan_n810but the last one i send should have19:00
Khertan_n810does scp erase the old file by the nex one ?19:00
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MouseyKhertan_n810: yes19:01
X-FadeKhertan_n810: Ah you uploaded a 0.0.5 one too.19:01
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Khertan_n810(i m sorry i know i m borrint)19:01
X-FadeKhertan_n810: Hmm the 0.0.5 versions look ok to me. I'll try to find out what is wrong with them.19:02
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X-FadeKhertan_n810: The actual .deb file isn't listed in your .dsc file?19:05
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X-FadeEhm, no it shouldn't be in there.19:06
Khertan_n810yes :)19:10
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X-FadeHmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline..19:11
qwerty12He said he may drop when he's in the train, just tell him if he comes back :)19:11
X-Fadeqwerty12: Yeah, but I have to go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;)19:12
johnxIRC on the train. This means we're in the future, right?19:12
infobotX-Fade meant: qwerty12: Yeah, but I have too go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;)19:12
qwerty12Hehe, I'll try, but someone will probably beat me to it :)19:12
X-Fadeheh, ok wrong to/too ;)19:12
TheFoolanyone try interfacing their tablet with an arduino? I am thinking of trying via bluetooth, but I am not sure how low level I can get on the tablet side19:14
johnxAs low as you want. It really is running Linux after all. :) A USB-to-serial or bluetooth-to-serial adapter would be the first thing I would research (but I haven't actually used either...)19:15
johnxBut I need to catch some sleep. Long day tomorrow O_o19:16
* johnx sleeps19:16
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qwerty12Khertan_n810_,  Hmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline.19:26
qwerty12X-Fade's words.19:26
qwerty12Although I still X-Fade is still around :P19:27
Khertan_n810_it s not easy to rejoin irc with telepathy when connection drop19:27
Khertan_n810_thx qwerty1219:27
Khertan_n810_x-fade > are u still here ?19:27
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Khertan_n810_i ve one last question ...19:29
Khertan_n810_maybe someone else know19:29
Khertan_n810_does changes contains the md5 of dsc file before the sign or after ?19:30
Khertan_n810_x-fade > sorry i was disconnect because i m in a train :)19:31
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dennyI still can't sudo on this tablet19:32
qwerty12denny, How do you mean?19:32
qwerty12Run a command with sudo prefixed in front?19:32
dennyI can use the easyroot root command to become root and change the password, then drop out of root again, and sudo with the new password fails with a 'wrong password' error19:32
qwerty12denny, there's a way of fixing that. brb19:32
Cptnodegardtook a tripod shot:
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jaska3d picture? :).. or the tripod is walking19:35
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qwerty111Sorry, kernel panic.19:36
qwerty111denny, did you get an answer by anyone else?19:36
inzdenny, sudo doesn't ask for root password19:36
dennyinz: ... d'oh.19:36
inzdenny, su does19:36
qwerty111You can make it work but sudo won't ask for password.19:36
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qwerty111Put user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers and sudo will work. It will not ask for password however if security is your thing.19:37
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qwerty111Question, when the usb cable is inserted and removed, which scripts are run?19:44
* denny wonders why there's no xmms for the tablet19:46
qwerty111denny, There is.19:47
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qwerty111I use it for sketchy a2dp support.19:47
dennyI just want a media player that I can point at a directory tree (not my entire hard drive, my navi voice clips are not music) and have it play all the music in there (mp3 and ogg)19:47
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qwerty111Start off with this:
qwerty111Look towards the last pages for KotCzarny's build.19:48
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Piowow, that's neat19:49
Piodidnt know there was an xmms port19:50
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* denny tries to drag a link from his PC screens to his tablet19:53
smackpotatoj  /                  #bluetooth19:53
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smackpotatoi hat that  denny im always looking for hyperlinks when i read a paper book19:54
dennyI occasionally click on printed out hrefs, y eah19:55
dennypoke the paper with your finger a couple of times before you realise what you're doing19:55
dennythen hope nobody else noticed  :)19:55
dennyright, nearly time to go flying19:55
dennythanks for all the help today people  :)19:55
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Khertan_by_cgiHi again20:00
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fabvhello, anyone can suggest me a method in order to connect at a peap/ttls + *wep* network? I'm using os2008 on a N800.20:04
timelessdo people really think american cellular operators are that bad?20:06
timelessfabv: personally, i think that's the kind of thing that google should be able to answer20:07
timelessif it can't find the answer, it probably isn't possible20:07
Khertan_by_cgii think french one is even worse !20:07
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fabvtimeless, eh thank you, but I've tried different times searching with Google20:08
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lcuk\:D/   w000t i are going to linuxtag20:23
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inzgood for yous20:26
herz2is it possible to have one target in scratchbox for building software with eg. chinook and one to build software for another maemo release?20:26
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inzherz2, sure it is20:27
smackpotatotimeless try but ask a question20:27
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X-Fadelcuk: Good news. The whole group should plan an informal get together in Berlin somewhere ;)20:37
lcukindeed we should, I was just putting together an email to quim, do you know how we go about arranging flights/hotels etc.20:37
Navisweet, report back to us during it :D20:37
lcuki aim to have my 810 ready for live blogging (and unlive as well if there isnt a connection)20:38
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X-Fadelcuk: I have asked Quim the same thing today :)20:38
lcukyer, i think he has been asked the same thing by everyone.20:39
X-FadeYep ;)20:39
lcukis this your first corporate junket?   (BOFH meaning, not the waste of time)20:39
X-FadeHe had to discuss it internally.20:39
timelesshi inz, how's life?20:39
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inztimeless, same old, same old20:40
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X-Fadelcuk: No, Nokia has flown me to Helsinki before. But this is the first time I have to speak ;)20:40
inztimeless, work, chores, work, chores, work, sleep20:40
lcuknice, did they arrange flights that time, or was it just you and then paid back after?20:40
lcukcurrency of choice: N810s and PowerVR drivers ;)20:41
timelessx-fade: so are you in hel today?20:41
X-Fadelcuk: Flights and hotel were arranged. But that was just for that meeting. So I don't now how they will do it now..20:41
X-Fadetimeless: No, was there in the week of 11 feb.20:42
X-Fadetimeless: I had a desk in Marcell's office..20:42
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X-FadeI'll see if/how we can plan an informal get together somewere in Berlin.20:49
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lirakis_workhow can i find the mac address on my n810?20:52
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mgedminlirakis_work: control panel -> device -> about20:52
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etrunkokulve: ping20:56
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kulveetrunko: pong20:56
etrunkohi kulve, have you seen my last email?20:57
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kulveI think so. Unless you have sent something I haven't seen :)20:57
kulveyou mean the 11.4. arrived mail?20:57
lirakis_workuhh this is the first time i turned on my n81020:58
lirakis_workwhere is the control panel?20:58
lirakis_workoh nm20:58
kulvelirakis_work: menu -> Settings -> Control Panel20:58
lirakis_workfound it20:58
etrunkokulve: the one where i explain why things won't work if you mix libogg with tremor20:58
unique311hello all20:59
unique311question, and app with these requirements is possible to bring over to the IT///20:59
etrunkokulve: right then. i'll send you the patch as soon as it is ready20:59
unique311    * Python 2.420:59
unique311    * PyGTK 2.8 or greater, compiled with Numeric20:59
unique311    * gnome-python20:59
unique311    * PyXML20:59
kulveetrunko: what the patch is about..?21:00
etrunkokulve: export the ogg_ symbols?21:00
kulveetrunko: nothing more? I.e. just add those to that or whatever it was?21:00
etrunkokulve: yup.. there is also that dummy package to install lightmediascanner-ogg plugin21:01
kulveetrunko: dummy as in meta package?21:02
etrunkokulve: exactly21:02
etrunkokulve: btw, you should specify the versions of the packages to be installed in the debian/control file of ogg-support21:02
etrunkoit is installing  some -mogg packages21:02
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kulveogg-support package depends on exact versions on most of the dependencies21:03
kulveno, actually most are >=21:04
etrunkokulve: yup21:04
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kulveetrunko: do you remember which one is -mogg?21:05
etrunkokulve: just a min21:05
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kulvelibvorbisidec1 is one at least21:08
kulvelibogg0 is probably the other one..21:09
kulveMaintainer: Debian Maintainers <>21:09
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etrunkokulve: you got it21:11
kulveI wonder if those are different from my packages in anyway..21:12
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lcukX-Fade, which days are you planning on being there?21:20
X-Fadelcuk: Not sure yet. For me the easiest thing would be arrive on Wednesday and leave on Friday.21:21
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X-Fadedjcb: ping?21:21
lcukim hoping to do as long as possible.  there is a lot to see and not much time.  there to participate, but also hopefully to learn as well :)21:22
X-Fadelcuk: Yeah, I think it is going to be fun :)21:22
djcbX-Fade: pong21:22
X-FadeI hope they put up the schedule soon.21:22
lcukso do i, have you got any other linux devices/systems than this little one?21:23
X-Fadedjcb: Did you know that the latest update for Modest killed gmail support?21:23
lcukyer ive been burning out my f5 button ;)21:23
X-Fadedjcb: Or imaps all together.21:23
djcbX-Fade: i heard some rumours.... we're working on it21:24
X-Fadedjcb: Ok, just made sure you guys knew about it ;)21:24
djcbbut thanks for reminding me...21:24
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X-FadeSometimes bugzilla seems to be a black hole. Didn't want that to happen here. I now have to do webmail :)21:25
djcbX-Fade: it should be fixed in a few days21:27
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achadwickHmm. /dev/mmc2 seems to have decided that it's read-only for some reason.21:35
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achadwick* /media/mmc2, that is. Backup and re-mkfs dance coming right up.21:37
etrunkokulve: sent you the patch21:38
etrunkoand it is wrong21:39
etrunkoi'm using spaces instead of tabs21:39
eathprodwish there was an higscore with some of the games likes blocks, battle gweled and crazy parking.21:40
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kulveetrunko: I can copy those manually. Thanks21:41
etrunkokulve: thanks21:42
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kulveetrunko: so you have now a version of lightmediascanner that uses tremor instead of the libvorbi0a?21:44
etrunkokulve: yup21:44
etrunkoi'm polishing the lms patch right now21:45
kulveok. I try to find time to release a new version of ogg-support and the libivorbisdec ASAP (this week)21:45
kulveso, after these changes the canola should play oggs ok after the user installs ogg-support and your meta package (and all their dependencies)?21:47
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flo_lapJaffa: wb22:28
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lirakis_workoh yeah.. pidgin.. ssh client .. are on22:31
lirakis_worki think mplayer will nicely round out my n810 :D22:31
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crashanddieHey guys22:48
crashanddieI was thinking 'bout something22:48
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crashanddieYou know, there are a few apps/services that allow to identify any song just by recording the tune for 10 seconds22:49
crashanddieI was thinking how hard it would be to write an app for maemo for one of those services ^^22:49
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lcukhave a look if there are any already available for linux.  most of the hard work may have been sorted out already22:54
JaffaLooks like I'm going to have to pass on LinuxTag :-(22:54
lcukoh no :( why22:54
JaffaLogistics of getting from home or work, to Berlin and back to York in time for family commitments are on the wrong side of doable22:55
AStormthe detectors are junk22:56
AStormlcuk: I have studies, exams, thus can't go ;(22:56
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lcukyou could ask if nokia have any delorians and flux capacitors in the r&d section22:57
Jaffalcuk: "Nokia do not discuss future (or past) products"22:57
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lcukits a shame jaffa, put your exams off and have some fun ;)22:59
AStormlcuk: they do23:00
AStormthey even have morphing phones23:00
lcukarghh, they have morphing users as well - i hate this colored irc - you and jaffa have same color and are talking similar things23:01
lcukwhere you meant to be going as well storm?23:01
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lcukyes, were you listed as a speaker or just meant to be going to throw tomatoes at us?23:05
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AStormthe latter, but with eggs23:09
keesjand raw chikkens23:09
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Navilcuk, are you a speaker?23:10
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NaviBring a camera23:11
Navirecord all the maemo-specific stuff :D23:11
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mwaldronomg there's a headless one that includes lands23:12
mwaldronwrong window :P23:12
mwaldronand misspelld. batting 1000 today23:13
crashanddielcuk, the problem is that most of those services are pay-per-use23:13
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crashanddielcuk, though, I've found one23:14
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lcuknavi, yes i am and i will be attempting to liveblog or something with my 81023:16
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lcukcrashanddie, which payperuse?23:16
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* Jaffa offs. G'night.23:22
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* KotCzarny has got a book23:30
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KotCzarnytume for sime proper education23:30
* Jaffa just can't stay away.23:30
JaffaReading the jobs page sure makes it sound interesting (from p.m.o)23:30
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lcukhey jaffa, welcome back ;)23:34
lcukKotCzarny, good evening23:34
KotCzarnyhi lcuk23:35
lcukwhat you expanding your mind with?23:35
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KotCzarny'c - a software engineering approach'23:36
lcuksounds good :) c is a great language23:36
KotCzarnyi went to salvation army store while aiting for the bus23:36
lcuki hope theres no pages missing23:37
KotCzarnygood condition23:37
lcukwell its all good then - since its a c book i assume it starts from page 023:37
lcuk(i know if i wrote one i would do that)23:38
lcukit would play hell with the printers23:38
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KotCzarnyfirst digit is '2'23:38
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KotCzarnyand there are some roman numbers earlier23:38
KotCzarny(and as we know romans didn't have 0s)23:39
lcukroman numerals were meant to be binary.  once they got past 3 though the monks misread it23:40
lcuk'I' and ' '23:40
KotCzarnyhow about 'V' ?23:41
crashanddielcuk, most services (that's to say, audio digital print comparison) don't allow non-commercial clients23:41
lcuki prefer 'Emacs'23:41
lcukahhh right, sorry head in about a million pies23:42
lcukand no real scrollback23:42
crashanddielcuk, I was talking about writing a piece of software for the n810 that would record the sound of any song, on the radio, or wherever, and identify it23:42
NaviWhere are flash drives automounted to?23:42
KotCzarnyrecording is easy, identifying can be tricky :>23:43
crashanddielcuk, to back such a program, there are a few services that offer such API (comparing the digital soundprint of a song), but almost none of those services are free/allow non-commercial usage23:43
crashanddieKotCzarny, that's why I'm looking for a service provider that allows non-commercial clients23:43
crashanddieand I just found one23:43
crashanddiebut they don't offer an open source API, I'm guessing it'll be closed source libraries to link against, but that'll be all...23:44
lcukdunno navi23:44
crashanddieThey offer those libraries for "Windows, Mac and Linux", but I'm guessing the API they'll offer will come for x86 arches, and nothing else23:44
crashanddieso I'm going to try to convince them to give me an NDA to sign, and compile it for them for the armel arch23:45
lcukdepending upon who you ask you may be able to get a maemo build23:45
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lcukif they have a linux build already it means they know and understand it23:45
crashanddieyeah, probably23:45
JaffaWeb service on an x86 server?23:45
lcukif you are that desperate :)23:45
lcukwas just thinking same jaffa23:45
crashanddieI just tried to convey, in my email, that I was motivated and wanted to help them out23:45
crashanddieJaffa & lcuk: the API is in x86 for clients, I don't know what hardware the server runs23:46
crashanddiethough, that's a guess, they haven't contacted me yet23:46
lcuk"i crashanddie promise to develop for you for half the money your current linux guys are paid and i will even give you my 4 digit slashdot uid"23:46
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crashanddielolz :)23:46
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lcukx86 client software running in windows or linux.  this machine has a web interface for accepting song clips via n810 (or anywhere else) which then asks the service using the proper x86 client and returns the results to your 81023:47
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crashanddielcuk, that's a lot of overhead23:48
crashanddielcuk, plus, I'm not going to be the one giving away all the bandwith of my server just so that you guys could send all your oversampled 15sec long porn samples23:48
crashanddie"Heh, it didn't recognize Jenna Jameson"23:49
crashanddiesad, Jenna Jameson is a known word in my spell-checker23:49
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lcukporn samples? i thought this was music: no service in the world could differentiate the cummings of a porn actress23:50
lcukor maybe they could, it sometimes helps with identification, especially movies with a strange angle23:51
crashanddielcuk, it will be for music, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the geek community is going to try it at least once23:51
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crashanddielcuk, you gotta admit, a web interface for such a client would be useless overhead23:52
JaffaNott if you've got no other client/option23:53
crashanddieI will :)23:54
crashanddieI don't see why they would refuse the free ads and wordspread23:54
JaffaPresumably fairly low bitrate for the snippet would work. Designed for over GSM, after all23:54
crashanddieif their service works well, I don't see why they'd refuse23:54
crashanddieanyway, I'll keep you guys posted about the answer to my email23:57
crashanddiewould you guys be interested in such an app ?23:57
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KotCzarnygoogle will be for sure23:57
crashanddiethis is nothing fancy23:57
crashanddiemerely a copy of one of the expensive things in the ipod23:57
KotCzarny'moan to your mic then click feeling lucky'23:57
KotCzarny'your moan returned 12309482 results'23:58
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achadwick<fsck.vfat -t -a /dev/mmcblk0p1> Cluster 2 (996513) is unreadable. Skipping it.  :(23:59
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