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| AStorm | my guess is that coreutils used parts of procps | 00:01 |
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| AStorm | :P | 00:01 |
| AStorm | installing that fixed something | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | make[5]: *** [test-suite.log] Error 1 | 00:01 |
| AStorm | ignore tests | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | tests fail | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | no, you shouldn't | 00:02 |
| AStorm | predictable :P | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
| AStorm | tests of coreutils fail on Gentoo too | 00:02 |
| AStorm | so. | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | so how do i disable running tests? | 00:02 |
| sol289 | 1497 user RWN 16236 330 93.4 12.7 metalayer-crawl | 00:02 |
| AStorm | hmm | 00:02 |
| sol289 | i think it start to crawl :) | 00:02 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: probably... | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | some option like --disable-tests? | 00:03 |
| AStorm | or maybe some apt option | 00:03 |
| AStorm | I'm not a Debian master, only Gentoo one :P | 00:03 |
| AStorm | btw, some coreutils tests fail in chroots or fakeroots | 00:04 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:04 |
| AStorm | LFS knows about it | 00:04 |
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| sol289 | yohoo! now it see files! | 00:05 |
| AStorm | use canola instead | 00:05 |
| sol289 | thanks guys (or girls maybe) :) | 00:05 |
| AStorm | it's much better | 00:05 |
| sol289 | nope, i tried | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | i'll try with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck | 00:06 |
| sol289 | i need fast player, and canola is not fast | 00:06 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: that's it | 00:06 |
| AStorm | hmm? | 00:06 |
| AStorm | what do you mean? | 00:06 |
| AStorm | it doesn't use any more cpu | 00:06 |
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| AStorm | and has proper mplayer video playback | 00:06 |
| sol289 | canola is taking too much to start, then when i delete media files from card it is still in base | 00:07 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:07 |
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| KotCzarny | it has 'reindex' option | 00:07 |
| AStorm | because it doesn't crawl if you don't ask it to | 00:07 |
| AStorm | ya | 00:07 |
| sol289 | this option accessible in gui? | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | in settings probably | 00:07 |
| AStorm | it starts fairly slow w/o python-launcher | 00:08 |
| AStorm | while with it memory use is too high :p | 00:08 |
| sol289 | for now i'm using mediabox media center, it is simple and fast | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | i use xmms | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | and it's simple and fast | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 00:09 |
| sol289 | xmms on n800? | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | yes, also xmms2 is there too | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | though has more deps | 00:10 |
| termsig | anyone know how i can fix it? pastebin.ca/982447 | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | reinstall ? | 00:11 |
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| termsig | i try update upgrade reinstall and all that time i get this same error message.. | 00:11 |
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| termsig | about post-removal... | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | acl and attr you will find in libs | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | or wait | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | i forgot to change the deps line | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | termsig: there's canola-cleanup or somthing, maybe it will help your case | 00:15 |
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| AStorm | I do have attr and acl | 00:17 |
| AStorm | unless you have newer vesions :) | 00:17 |
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| termsig | KotCzarny: i try canola-cleanup but it's this same and i dont want flash it again.. | 00:18 |
| termsig | strange because i dont see canola in my packet manager. | 00:18 |
| sol289 | another question - can i put my script to menu? | 00:19 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it's libattr1-2.4.16-1 | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | sol289: create scriptname.desktop in proper dir | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: hmm? | 00:20 |
| AStorm | and libacl1-2.2.23-1 | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | but what's the question? | 00:21 |
| AStorm | none | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:21 |
| AStorm | does your coreutils dep on these, or your? | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | i have reupped coreutils deb | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | without selinux line in deps | 00:21 |
| AStorm | ok | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | not that it changes much | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | only apt-get won't shout at you every time | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
| AStorm | you have newer deps too | 00:22 |
| AStorm | :) | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | because i had to compile acl and attr packages | 00:22 |
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| AStorm | :P | 00:23 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: that server sure is slow | 00:25 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: it's my dsl line | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:35 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:35 |
| AStorm | dpkg-divert: Unknown diversion | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, probably conflict with busybox? | 00:36 |
| AStorm | no | 00:36 |
| AStorm | it's not | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | can you pastebin.com it? | 00:36 |
| AStorm | that's the exact message | 00:37 |
| KotCzarny | what's before? | 00:37 |
| AStorm | nothing, except replacing coreutils 5.2.1 | 00:41 |
| sol289 | thanks everybody and good night :) | 00:42 |
| AStorm | I'm installing some perl cpan modules for my pastebin script | 00:42 |
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| KotCzarny | in the worst case just unpack the archive and copy over files you want :) | 00:43 |
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| AStorm | blah | 00:43 |
| AStorm | that'll break deps :P | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | nope, install 5.2.1 then just replace files | 00:43 |
| AStorm | I'll have to mangle these too | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:43 |
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| AStorm | I already have 5.2.1 Sherlock :) | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | that's in the case you remove coreutils first ;) | 00:44 |
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| AStorm | heh | 00:52 |
| AStorm | btw, perl is sure a hog | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | php is even bigger hog | 00:53 |
| AStorm | it's funny, everything is building fine here | 00:55 |
| AStorm | just memory is tight | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | there shouldn't be a reason not to | 00:55 |
| AStorm | and it takes a few years | 00:55 |
| AStorm | i get these warnings: | 00:56 |
| AStorm | inflate.c:1: warning: target CPU does not support interworking | 00:56 |
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| AStorm | what does that mean? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | probably some optimization | 00:56 |
| AStorm | or mixing thumb and normal code | 00:57 |
| AStorm | yeah, the latter | 00:57 |
| AStorm | it could skip the warning | 00:57 |
| AStorm | may break -Werror code | 00:57 |
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| AStorm | it'd be fun to run Gentoo here and see confused looks :P | 00:58 |
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| KotCzarny | pfft | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | you would need 8gb card for that | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:59 |
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| KotCzarny | at least :) | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it could work | 00:59 |
| AStorm | wny? | 01:00 |
| AStorm | I can build cross | 01:00 |
| AStorm | or in qemu | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | but it won't be the same | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:00 |
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| AStorm | it will, why not? :) | 01:00 |
| AStorm | and why 8G card? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | because! | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:00 |
| AStorm | distfiles over nfs | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | don't mind me, i have never had gentoo | 01:01 |
| AStorm | :) | 01:01 |
| AStorm | the hardest part will be kernel and mce (or such) | 01:02 |
| AStorm | and getting wifi to cooperate | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | you can try reusing nokia's one | 01:02 |
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| AStorm | yeah, but I want the new scheduler | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | gain something, loose something | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:04 |
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| AStorm | getting iwconfig to work will be hard | 01:04 |
| AStorm | and wpa_supplicant | 01:04 |
| AStorm | debian managed it though | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | that opensource driver manages it | 01:04 |
| AStorm | drat, perl gzip/zlib tests take a long time... | 01:05 |
| AStorm | I hope N won't overheat :P | 01:05 |
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| KotCzarny | hehe | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, watchdog killing your build will be fun | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:06 |
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| AStorm | that will make me slightly mad | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 01:07 |
| AStorm | although cpan is quite adept at resuming | 01:07 |
| AStorm | I need LWP here and its gazillion of deps | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | how about building it in scratcbox? | 01:08 |
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| AStorm | nah | 01:09 |
| AStorm | packaging cpan packages is a bad iedea | 01:09 |
| AStorm | *idea | 01:09 |
| AStorm | it's the tests of zlib that take too long | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | disable tests? | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:10 |
| AStorm | can't | 01:10 |
| AStorm | and a bad idea anyway | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | edit makefile | 01:10 |
| AStorm | you mad? it's automated cpan | 01:11 |
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| KotCzarny | on-the-fly preg_replacing proxy? | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:11 |
| AStorm | lol | 01:11 |
| AStorm | evil idea | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | could work though | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:12 |
| AStorm | there's nothing like 10k zip tests :P | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | zipzipzip | 01:13 |
| AStorm | eating cpu to the max | 01:13 |
| AStorm | more than compile | 01:13 |
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| KotCzarny | k, off to ff8 | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | i will finish it this time | 01:13 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:13 |
| AStorm | ARM just isn't prepared for gzip :P | 01:13 |
| AStorm | bye, have a nice time | 01:13 |
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| AStorm | N810 gets quite warm under the load | 01:15 |
| Proteous | I would try to keep it out from under any loads you may try to place on top of it | 01:16 |
| Proteous | especialy loads that might eminate heat | 01:16 |
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| AStorm | it's now at 42.5 °C | 01:16 |
| AStorm | according to internal-temp | 01:16 |
| AStorm | not that bad | 01:17 |
| Proteous | have you considered that maybe it's lying to you? | 01:17 |
| AStorm | it isn't | 01:17 |
| AStorm | measured ambient temp. correctly | 01:17 |
| Proteous | that's just to lul you into a false sense of security | 01:17 |
| AStorm | and it feels like 40 °C too | 01:17 |
| AStorm | warm | 01:18 |
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| AStorm | it cools down quickly, btw | 01:19 |
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| AStorm | finally, lwp build finished | 01:22 |
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| mikedep333maemo | Hey, im on mystery | 01:24 |
| mikedep333maemo | whoops | 01:24 |
| mikedep333maemo | My it | 01:24 |
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| mikedep333maemo | I really wish fonts would be smaller everywhere | 01:25 |
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| mikedep333maemo | From xterm to pidgin | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | install nuvoclear theme | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | or just modify existing one in /usr/share/themes | 01:27 |
| AStorm | yay, it works! | 01:29 |
| AStorm | http://wklej.org/id/d03eb25afb | 01:29 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: the error coreutils 6 produces | 01:30 |
| AStorm | mikedep333maemo: what is that mystery? | 01:31 |
| mikedep333maemo | Thx | 01:31 |
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| mikedep333maemo | Autocomplete did that | 01:31 |
| AStorm | xterm has configurable font size anyway | 01:32 |
| AStorm | I have to mangle fontconfig to make dejavu the default | 01:32 |
| AStorm | or maybe Nokia Sans Cn... I'll see | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | astorm, just edit the theme | 01:33 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:33 |
| AStorm | Nah | 01:33 |
| AStorm | I said system fonts | 01:33 |
| AStorm | edit fontconfig files | 01:34 |
| AStorm | 12pt version of Echo is nice enough for me | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | have you seen nuvoclear? | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:35 |
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| mikedep333maemo | I cant find nuvuclear | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | should be on my server | 01:36 |
| mikedep333maemo | Even on gronmayer | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
| mikedep333maemo | Url? | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ | 01:36 |
| mikedep333maemo | *Nuvoclear | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | mydesktop2.png | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | that's how it looks | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | -wallpaper of course | 01:37 |
| AStorm | blah wallpaper | 01:37 |
| AStorm | who looks at these anyway | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | wallpaper isn't included in that theme anyway | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i usually use grey background | 01:38 |
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| KotCzarny | but for testing wallpapers are useful too | 01:38 |
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| mikedep333maemo | That helped, thx | 01:43 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 01:44 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: how did you move xmms window? | 01:45 |
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| KotCzarny | the same as in usual linux | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | using topbar | 01:46 |
| AStorm | lol | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | or with easymove enabled with any point | 01:46 |
| AStorm | and it worked despite matchbox? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:46 |
| AStorm | nice | 01:46 |
| AStorm | Now I want to replace matchbox with awesome or dwm | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | i would like fluxbox | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:47 |
| AStorm | plus some menu generator from .desktop files | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | but too many things depend on matchbox | 01:47 |
| AStorm | flux isn't nice enough | 01:47 |
| AStorm | nah | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | for me it's enough | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a minimalist | 01:47 |
| AStorm | you can add flux | 01:47 |
| AStorm | w/o removing matchbox | 01:47 |
| AStorm | the tray is standard xembed btw | 01:48 |
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| AStorm | I'd love a WM with window sash splits | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | i'm off | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | ff8 await | 01:48 |
| AStorm | you know, like ion3 | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | s | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:48 |
| AStorm | bye then | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | <mode lurk=on> | 01:49 |
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| AStorm | I need some accessx permanent stickykeys toggle :) | 01:57 |
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| crashanddie | KotCzarny, fluxbox ? | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, always having to right click for a menu ? | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | you can use left mouse | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | it's in the config | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | or you can just install some 'desktop' type app | 02:23 |
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| AStorm | I'd love sawfish plus some addons | 02:27 |
| AStorm | oooh, and screenlets | 02:27 |
| AStorm | we have Python already | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | Anyone ported ruby to the maemo platform ? | 02:34 |
| AStorm | we need vimperator for Microb :) | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, alterego. | 02:34 |
| AStorm | I heard someone tried | 02:34 |
| JLD | google for "ruby maemo" | 02:34 |
| JLD | it is done, I do not tried it, but there are people using it | 02:35 |
| JLD | even hildon bindings are provided | 02:35 |
| AStorm | we also need lighttpd for Maemo | 02:35 |
| AStorm | and Hildon to stop acting retarded and just use AccessX | 02:35 |
| pupnik | what do *you* need lighthttpd for AStorm | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zedstar.org/blog/2008/03/02/packaging-lighttpd-for-maemo-the-quick-way/ | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | thttpd is also available. | 02:36 |
| AStorm | to send files to people more easily | 02:36 |
| AStorm | and to test my web devel | 02:37 |
| AStorm | :) | 02:37 |
| pupnik | Easily huh | 02:38 |
| pupnik | What are you going to do behind a wifi firewall that blocks http to the device | 02:38 |
| AStorm | nothing | 02:38 |
| pupnik | Http isn't designed for 'sending files' to people | 02:38 |
| AStorm | I know | 02:38 |
| AStorm | the main thing is running a devel webserver | 02:39 |
| AStorm | with random combo of mysql, php, python and faatcgi | 02:39 |
| AStorm | yes, there is mysql available already | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, funny we talked about having a bigger root partition on another card earlier today | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | 99% / | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | :( | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 to the card! | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | I think I'll do that | 02:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles boots off a 2gb partition. | 02:40 | |
| AStorm | OS2008 to the internal 2G flash :D | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | though, I would've loved to wait till the 16Gig microsd cards come out | 02:40 |
| AStorm | yup | 02:40 |
| AStorm | I prefer to have the card slot free | 02:41 |
| pupnik | what's the upper limit on microsd? | 02:41 |
| AStorm | none | 02:41 |
| Proteous | I would love to wait till cookies magicly appeared in my kitchen | 02:41 |
| AStorm | physical limit | 02:41 |
| pupnik | this chinese tea tastes like fish | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2048GB | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | and how big is a microsd chip ? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | cool | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik bought fish tea? | 02:42 |
| AStorm | lol, so there is one? | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I think that's the theoretical limit | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Over 2048GB would require a hardware change. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently the spec says "32GB" | 02:42 |
| AStorm | hehehe | 02:42 |
| AStorm | I want a card that large | 02:42 |
| AStorm | and not costing a fortune | 02:42 |
| AStorm | also, resilient enough | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | 2tB on a quarter inch card | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other than the spec saying 32GB, there's no real limit there. | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, remember when 1GB or a 3.5" drive was outrageous? :P | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | I guess I'll order 2 8gig cards | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yeah, good ol' times | 02:44 |
| AStorm | I have one 8G SanDisk in | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | I remember at one time, I had bought a 10Gig drive maybe a year before, I go to the store, because I needed more storage | 02:44 |
| AStorm | and see 100G? | 02:44 |
| freelikegnu | I'm using a 16gb adata sd in mine | 02:44 |
| crashanddie | "Yeah Hi, I'd like a hard drive, nothing fancy, 4, 6, or 10 Gig max" "I'm sorry man, we don't do < 10gig drives anymore, we only sell 20 and 30 gig now" | 02:44 |
| AStorm | I can't find a way to fill my 160G disk :P | 02:45 |
| AStorm | (too slow connection to pirate HD movies) | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | I still have a 600 megs hard drive nailed to my wall ^^ | 02:45 |
| freelikegnu | I think its easy to thrash the adata card, I had to send one back after a weed | 02:45 |
| Proteous | after a weed what? | 02:46 |
| AStorm | I still have 1.4G drive working :P | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I got Die Hard 4 in 36 hours ^^ | 02:46 |
| freelikegnu | er after a week | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, in full HD, that is | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a Performa with 50MB internal and a 75MB SCSI. | 02:46 |
| AStorm | ;( | 02:47 |
| freelikegnu | I think I disconnected the usb before umounting, after that I could not even fix with fdisk | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | Now I have to find a way to get the PS3 to play it, cuz I don't have no 12Gig dvds :( | 02:47 |
| AStorm | I'm in a backwards country | 02:47 |
| AStorm | only barely fit FCC broadband specs | 02:47 |
| AStorm | 2M/384k | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I still have a working Amstrad CPC :P | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, oh wow | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, 100Mbit downlink, 50Mbit uplink :P | 02:48 |
| freelikegnu | the 2gb sandisk I have recovers much better from such blunders | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be worse, AStorm. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a friend in Alaska with 512/128 | 02:48 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: sure,it is, at my other home I have 512k/256k | 02:48 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: you said something? | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | My neighbor still has ISDN | 02:49 |
| AStorm | the only worse possible is gprs/edge and dial up now | 02:49 |
| elb | you guys crack me up | 02:49 |
| AStorm | oh, and ISDN too :P | 02:49 |
| * GeneralAntilles glues elb back together. | 02:49 | |
| crashanddie | quite the techno-rift when you compare my internet connection and his :P | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 100/50 is mildly excessive. | 02:50 |
| AStorm | buy me a T1 | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | T1 sucks | 02:50 |
| AStorm | I coukld use 10 Mbit symmetric | 02:50 |
| AStorm | here it'd cost somewhere close to 500€ monthly | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, might be excessive, but I don't pay anything more than any other DSL user here, plus I get 300 channels in HD (provided they do HD), and can watch 4 different feeds at one given time | 02:52 |
| AStorm | or more, depending on cable length | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, lol... | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I pay 30euro per month for being connected with fiber optics ;) | 02:53 |
| AStorm | fun part is that cable with dyn ip at 40/4 costs like 80 | 02:53 |
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| AStorm | crashanddie: did I mention a backwards country? | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, yeah, I think you did :) What country would that be ? | 02:53 |
| AStorm | Poland | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | right | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | hey, look at the bright side, there's polish people in the whole world ! You always have friends, no matter where you go ;) | 02:54 |
| AStorm | on the Internet since 1993® | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | The country *I* live in, on the other hand | 02:55 |
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| AStorm | HSDPA 2M plan with 5G limit costs 30€ or so | 02:56 |
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| crashanddie | that's just retarded | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | I wish Cannonical allowed to pre-order the CDs for Hardy | 02:58 |
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| pupnik_ | AStorm: what provider, country? | 02:58 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: Poland, Orange | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | ty | 02:58 |
| elb | gah | 02:58 |
| elb | there was a great example of what's worse than slow :-P | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | i may drop my dsl | 02:58 |
| AStorm | they have the best HSDPA range | 02:58 |
| AStorm | most large cities are covered | 02:59 |
| AStorm | other providers almost don't have hsdpa | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | I think a lot of providers are investing in a technology (hsdpa and related) that is in fact born dead | 03:00 |
| pupnik_ | wow with HSUPA i could upload with 1.45 MBit/s | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | lol | 03:01 |
| AStorm | pupnik_: you wish | 03:01 |
| AStorm | more like 512k with current tech | 03:01 |
| pupnik_ | that's what vodaphone is promising | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | Jesus 3: The return, "The Tech Christ is back, watch him now in the last hSUPPA" | 03:02 |
| pupnik_ | sorry i don't know anything about this, so ok 512k | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off | 03:03 |
| AStorm | that's 3.5M/768k | 03:03 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone | 03:03 |
| AStorm | or so | 03:03 |
| AStorm | bye | 03:03 |
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| crashanddie | AStorm, don't worry, you'll have a decent internet connection, some day ;) | 03:03 |
| AStorm | maybe | 03:03 |
| AStorm | the day where rest of the world will have free IPv6 | 03:04 |
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| AStorm | at Internet3 speeds | 03:04 |
| elb | haha, IPv6 | 03:04 |
| elb | I'm laughing again | 03:04 |
| crashanddie | heh | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I have free IPv6, but honestly, I couldn't care less | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | internet3? | 03:05 |
| * KotCzarny is still on internet1.. | 03:05 | |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: google it | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, some weird name given to new gen speeds | 03:05 |
| AStorm | some speeds of 10Gbit | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | hehe.. marketing | 03:05 |
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| KotCzarny | it's the same ol' tcp/ip | 03:06 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:06 |
| AStorm | no | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. just kidding | 03:06 |
| AStorm | it's not IP anymore | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | tcp/ip was stable | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:06 |
| AStorm | although it does simulate it | 03:06 |
| AStorm | legacy etc. | 03:06 |
| pupnik_ | i might prefer umts-surfbox w/hsdpa sitting on tablet usb port | 03:06 |
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| crashanddie | btw, is there any news on getting packet injection to work on the n810 ? Or is that just a definite NO ? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, re-write the drivers. :P | 03:20 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, heh, yeah | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, somebody has been working on open source drivers. | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what state they're in, though. | 03:20 |
| pupnik_ | do you know people who have used usb wlan adapters? | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots. :P | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | My grandmother uses one, in fact. | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | there are some nice ones with ext. antennae | 03:21 |
| pupnik_ | well with the tablets | 03:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | That, no. :P | 03:21 |
| pupnik | looking at hsdpa modems and kernel modules | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, there aren't a lot of USB wlan adapters that are that good in fact (not for packet injection anyhoo) | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd go the wifi/HSDPA router route. | 03:22 |
| pupnik | one does need to research sure | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, having the integrated wifi adapter for listening, and another for packet injection would be a dream come true, I'll admit | 03:22 |
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| KotCzarny | crashanddie: usb wifi | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | ah, sorry | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, like I said, not that many good cards around | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | backlog lag | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | it only takes one good card | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:25 |
| elb | what would one do with packet injection? | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | elb, crack a wep key in less than 2 minutes? | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | is it... legit? | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | sure | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | as long as it's your wep key ;) | 03:28 |
| AStorm | not in the US | 03:28 |
| Navi | ha | 03:28 |
| AStorm | DMCA fwit | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: i'm just kidding | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:28 |
| Navi | not in Germany :;D | 03:28 |
| Navi | oh my, four eyes | 03:28 |
| elb | so, nothing in day-to-day operation? | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, you're still allowed to audit your network security ;) | 03:28 |
| Navi | not in germany | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | elb, i've been using my laptop for the past 2 years for cracking wep keys all around, whenever I needed internet access | 03:29 |
| crashanddie | Until I got my 3G unlimited plan, provided by the company, of course | 03:29 |
| termsig | crashanddie: "Three"? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | termsig, eh ? | 03:31 |
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| pupnik_ | anybody built rt73 drivers for os2008? | 04:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-13458.html ? | 04:29 |
| pupnik | wee | 04:30 |
| pupnik | hazzor rt73 usb lying around :) | 04:30 |
| pupnik | http://nitapps.com/ neat haxorish stuff! | 04:31 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: wouldn't it be neat if we had an app/daemon for the NITs that detected a nearby NIT and would announce itself to it? (bluetooth perhaps) | 04:40 |
| pupnik | set up a low-priveledged mesh-type network | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never get used. :P | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah. | 04:40 |
| pupnik | i wonder if the OLPC tech could be abused to that | 04:40 |
| pupnik | well my two tablets are sitting here and they don't know about each other | 04:41 |
| pupnik | until i put em on the net of course | 04:41 |
| jott | and at linuxtag there will be alot of nits ;) | 04:41 |
| pupnik | morning jott | 04:41 |
| jott | heyho | 04:41 |
| pupnik | who you callin a 'ho? | 04:42 |
| pupnik | :P | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | OLPC has additional hardware involvement, no? | 04:42 |
| jott | the channel :) | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth would be a good way to detect proximity. | 04:42 |
| pupnik | yeah i don't know much about olpc | 04:43 |
| pupnik | but it would be neat if tablets could also join a OLPC mesh | 04:43 |
| pupnik | and maybe add a bluetooth low-level layer to it | 04:43 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: the tablet can communicate with more than one device via bluetooth? e.g. a2dp and bluetooth keybaord at once? | 04:44 |
| jott | "The Mesh Routing Protocol used in the OLPC laptop (OLPC-Mesh) is based on the 802.11s standard being developed by the 802.11 Task Group S" | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that wouldn't be an issue. | 04:44 |
| pupnik | ah | 04:44 |
| pupnik | maybe we could do something more primitive just to bootstrap the interest in this | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | A simple proximity alert might be interesting. | 04:45 |
| jott | i guess using bluetooth would be the right approach for a quick hack ;) | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a little bit of user info. | 04:45 |
| t_s_o | didnt a recent news item from the bluetooth SIG talk about using bluetooth and wifi together? as in, bluetooth for initial pairing and setup, wifi for the heavy lifting ;) | 04:45 |
| elb | there's a name for that sort of setup | 04:46 |
| elb | (I don't remember what it is) | 04:46 |
| elb | but yeah, it's been discussed | 04:46 |
| jott | bittorrent tracker communication via bluetooth ;) | 04:46 |
| elb | I don't really see what the point is, myself | 04:46 |
| t_s_o | imo bluetooth security is better implemented then wifi security... | 04:47 |
| elb | hah | 04:47 |
| t_s_o | so anything that wifi can learn from bluetooth is a good thing ;) | 04:47 |
| pupnik | maybe just an easy shared directory via bluetooth, or a net level link for wireless gaming | 04:47 |
| elb | I'd be curious to see where that opinion came from | 04:47 |
| elb | bluetooth is pretty crap from beginning to end | 04:47 |
| jott | elb: from the bluetooth working group | 04:48 |
| jott | ;> | 04:48 |
| elb | it was obviously engineered by bell-heads who had never seen a decent network | 04:48 |
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| t_s_o | ericsson people iirc... | 04:48 |
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| pupnik | what's the data xfer rate on normal type bluetooth? | 04:49 |
| elb | there are like a zillion differnet modes | 04:50 |
| elb | bluetooth 1.x can push almost a megabit one way, but the return is a goat path | 04:50 |
| t_s_o | depends. if both devices are 2.x with edr support, it should clock in around 3Mbit/s on a good day ;) | 04:50 |
| elb | bluetooth 2.0 is like twice as fast or more | 04:51 |
| elb | but that can be messed up depending on what other devices are on the "network" | 04:51 |
| t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth <- cant speak for the reliability of the info but... | 04:51 |
| elb | (sort of like USB) | 04:51 |
| t_s_o | anyways, my reason for stating that bluetooth is more secure is based on how easy it is to get security in use rather then the strength of said security on paper... | 04:52 |
| t_s_o | getting working secure wifi seems nuts on comparison... | 04:53 |
| elb | oh, sure, it's easy, it's just crap | 04:53 |
| elb | (that leaves aside even the '0000' problem) | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | thinking that way m$ windows has better security than linux | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:54 |
| elb | working wifi is much better now than it was a few years ago, things mostly Just Work with newer devices | 04:54 |
| elb | that said ... looking to your NIC for security isn't the best plan people have ever had ;-) | 04:54 |
| jott | as long as the default wpa key is not generated from the mac ... | 04:55 |
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| KotCzarny | defaults are evil | 04:55 |
| pupnik | http://triptico.com/software/bluetooth.html | 04:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/ | 04:55 |
| pupnik | no time to look into this :/ | 04:56 |
| elb | linux and bluetooth is a right mess | 04:57 |
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| elb | just getting two machines *paired* is a PITA | 04:57 |
| elb | much less passing packets ;-) | 04:57 |
| jott | never had actually problems with it.. | 04:58 |
| t_s_o | nor have i | 04:58 |
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| t_s_o | KotCzarny: im not sure i follow you about windows being more secure then linux when using my comparison of wifi and bluetooth security... | 04:59 |
| t_s_o | still, i guess it could depend on what windows version one is talking about ;) | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | settings things easier is not the same as more secure | 04:59 |
| jott | but it's like so much stuff.. for some it works and for some it fails (at least on the first try)... | 04:59 |
| t_s_o | KotCzarny: maybe so, but getting wifi security going is downright silly... | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | it all depends on the setup | 05:00 |
| elb | I've never had problems pairing a device and a computer | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | one can run without wep/wpa | 05:00 |
| elb | but pairing linux to linux has given me trouble | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | if there's right vpn or only ssh access to the outside world | 05:01 |
| elb | success depends rather heavily on the various versions of your softwares | 05:01 |
| t_s_o | i have my N800 paried to my linux desktop right now ;) | 05:01 |
| pupnik | t_s_o: seems like a real alternative to wlan for short distance | 05:02 |
| t_s_o | pupnik: i use it far more then wlan to transfer files between my computer and my n800... | 05:03 |
| jott | if the toilet is out of bluetooth range its not an option ;) | 05:03 |
| elb | that might save you some battery power | 05:03 |
| elb | provided you're not transferring large amounts of data | 05:04 |
| elb | (it might either way) | 05:04 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15263&highlight=bluetooth+network some chat about mesh networks and tablets | 05:04 |
| t_s_o | elb: even more so if one have trouble with power saving on ones wlan... | 05:05 |
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| pupnik | "In 2007 Gartner estimates that 264 million PCs were sold, nearly all of which contain an x86 processor. In the same year almost 3 billion ARM processors were sold." Wooohoooo | 05:08 |
| t_s_o | btw, the only time i have bumped into the 0000 thing with bluetooth is for my headset | 05:08 |
| pupnik | hrm | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for refrigerators and digital razors, pupnik? :D | 05:09 |
| * pupnik just likes arm | 05:09 | |
| freelikegnu | "Is that an ARM in your pocket?" | 05:09 |
| t_s_o | i love to see benchmarks on cortex based cpus vs those low wattage intels ;) | 05:10 |
| freelikegnu | "An ARM in the hand.." | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm more interested in power consumption compared to performance, t_s_o. | 05:12 |
| freelikegnu | maybe the popularity of the arm in the U.S. has to do with the 2nd Amendement? | 05:12 |
| freelikegnu | wow, though crowd here tonite... | 05:14 |
| freelikegnu | tough even | 05:14 |
| t_s_o | GeneralAntilles: heh, true that. but i dont think the mainstream will take arm serious as the basis for a computing platform these days unless it can outperform intel chips while using less energy... | 05:14 |
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| t_s_o | that is, devices that are more then a browser and media player... | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I don't think most of the mainstream cares what architecture their stuff is using. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The key is, does it get decent battery life while doing what I need it to do? | 05:15 |
| t_s_o | heh, maybe so | 05:15 |
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| t_s_o | and makes one look "good" while doing so, see iphone... | 05:16 |
| pupnik | the exceedingly high performance of desktops means desktop apps are bloaty and cpu hungry, which means they won't easily run even on low-power x86, and this helps insulate the handheld market from the desktop software | 05:22 |
| pupnik | maybe that idea is poorly worded | 05:23 |
| Navi | Meh | 05:23 |
| Navi | That's if you're focusing in the high end market | 05:23 |
| Navi | There are plenty of nonbloaty apps that are in development that are overshadowed by their flashy counterparts | 05:23 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:23 |
| Navi | s/are in development/are actively developed/ | 05:24 |
| infobot | Navi meant: There are plenty of nonbloaty apps that are actively developed that are overshadowed by their flashy counterparts | 05:24 |
| elb | it is certainly the case that the rapid increase in CPU speed with no real increase in computer utility is doing Bad Things for application footprints | 05:24 |
| elb | I mean ... computers are four times as fast as they were five years ago, and don't essentially do any more than they did then | 05:24 |
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| KotCzarny | not true | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | they can run vista now | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:28 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: didn't you do something wtih battery status monitoring? | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | i got drawn away | 05:28 |
| pupnik | http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/battery_status_1.0-2.armel.deb there's a neato app for it | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:28 |
| pupnik | http://nitapps.com/ usage | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | isn't it the one that enables battery applet as a side effect? | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
| t_s_o | says so on the page | 05:29 |
| pupnik | i like seeing a percent not just the estimate, plus it's neat to be able to write to a logfile | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, not true | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's ALWAYS an estimate | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
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| KotCzarny | it's an arbitrary number derived from few assumptions | 05:30 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:30 |
| pupnik | hmm my room lighting is at "0 lux" | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | it's li-polymer/ion | 05:30 |
| Navi | I'm pretty sure he ment an estimated time left. | 05:30 |
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| t_s_o | heh, i wonder if one could mod the tablet to play that old modem connection "sound" whenever one connects via bluetooth ;) | 05:31 |
| Navi | Heh | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 05:32 |
| t_s_o | still, that would invite beatings when out in public... | 05:32 |
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| KotCzarny | when it starts pin-helper app | 05:32 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 05:32 |
| pupnik | GPS activated. Time to first fix 01m54s Adjusted clock by 528.66 seconds to match GPS time | 05:35 |
| Navi | wow | 05:36 |
| zerodegre | hey guys, how do i make my n810 show up on my LAN? | 05:36 |
| zerodegre | in my netowrk | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | m$ guy | 05:36 |
| pupnik | ahhh :) | 05:36 |
| zerodegre | ? | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | zerodgre: what do you mean by 'my lan' ? | 05:37 |
| zerodegre | on my wirless network at my house | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | just connect it to the ap/adhoc | 05:37 |
| zerodegre | i want it to show up when i click netowrok | 05:37 |
| zerodegre | on my desktop | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | network? | 05:37 |
| zerodegre | like in mwindows | 05:38 |
| zerodegre | i on my desktop | 05:38 |
| pupnik | does windows use broadcast ping to find hosts on the LAN? | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | samba does | 05:38 |
| zerodegre | i want the n81o to be on my netowrk list | 05:38 |
| mikedep333 | does ITOS2008 even have a samba server? | 05:38 |
| pupnik | i don't think broadcast ping goes over wlan | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | it sends samba discover packets on a regular interval | 05:38 |
| mikedep333 | pupnik: oit does | 05:38 |
| pupnik | oh | 05:39 |
| mikedep333 | *it does | 05:39 |
| elb | broadast works over wireless, just not quite how you'd expect | 05:39 |
| elb | it's kind of ghetto | 05:39 |
| zerodegre | i want to share the n810 on my network or map the drive in it | 05:39 |
| pupnik | maybe my wlan router is blocking it | 05:39 |
| elb | it isn't repeated by your router | 05:39 |
| elb | broadcast for 802.11 is LOS | 05:39 |
| mikedep333 | guys, to answer zerodegree's question, tell us if ITOS2008 has a samba server or not | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | repeated broadcast packets are evil | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:40 |
| elb | well, let me take that back -- I think there's more than one kind of broadcast, but I believe the standard Ethernet broadcast that most apps wind up using through the IP stack is LOS | 05:40 |
| pupnik | you can install samba server on it | 05:40 |
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| pupnik | 1) buy bulk usb wlan adaptors 2) attach antenna cable 3) bundle some pcap software, 4) sell for $1500 ... http://www.cacetech.com/products/airpcap-ex.htm | 05:48 |
| pupnik | ... profit! | 05:49 |
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| KotCzarny | how much?! | 05:50 |
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| pupnik | ah i see why it's not so easy to do open-source driver for nokia wifi | 05:57 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000002.html | 05:57 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ | 05:59 |
| t_s_o | i hope nokia picks a more open chip next time. hmm, how open is the one going to be used in that freerunner phone? | 06:03 |
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| KotCzarny | http://wiki.kolibrios.org/ | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | os in fasm | 06:12 |
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| pupnik | looks like there exist no USB-B to micro-usb cables | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off with an F-F adaptor. | 06:20 |
| pupnik | haven't been able to find one yet :P | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | dealextreme? | 06:20 |
| freelikegnu | ebay | 06:21 |
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| pupnik | i think they're illegal or something | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:22 |
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| WormFood | I'll bet I can find one local to me....I can find anything here | 06:24 |
| freelikegnu | some adapters may be illegal in some states, check with your local authorities | 06:26 |
| WormFood | heh | 06:27 |
| WormFood | there are no "states" where I live :P | 06:27 |
| freelikegnu | theres just 0 and 1 | 06:27 |
| WormFood | you have an "0"? I have to use the letter "O" | 06:28 |
| freelikegnu | :0 | 06:28 |
| t_s_o | heh, i found a FA-FA as part of a set that also included FB-FB and a FA-MB... | 06:29 |
| freelikegnu | man I have to figure out how the dbus scripts works | 06:29 |
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| freelikegnu | the instructions and example is a bit out of my ability to grok | 06:30 |
| freelikegnu | like where are %5 and %7 variable coming from? | 06:31 |
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| halleck | I can not seem to find what is needed to get the 770 in host mode anymore. There used to be a firmware update, but now all I find is dead links. I have the hardware part injecting 5v I just need to switch it to host mode... | 06:41 |
| Navi | Female-female is totally illegal | 06:41 |
| halleck | wow... | 06:41 |
| halleck | just wow... | 06:41 |
| Navi | We're talking about USB, foo | 06:42 |
| pupnik | well a female usb to male usb-micro should be legal, no? | 06:42 |
| Navi | Probably | 06:42 |
| Navi | I feel sorry for the little guy, though | 06:42 |
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| halleck | So no ideas on the software side of things for the 770? | 06:43 |
| Navi | I've never owned a 770 | 06:43 |
| Navi | I almost scored one for 20 bucks a year ago though | 06:43 |
| halleck | There used to be tons of information on it...now its all 8x0 specific and the old stuff is just broken links | 06:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | halleck, http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | W16? | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Breaks gmail imap. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi | 06:45 |
| Navi | you know, someone should write up a complete 770 documentation dealie | 06:45 |
| Navi | I don't use imap | 06:45 |
| WormFood | I love imap | 06:46 |
| Navi | since progress on it has all but stopped | 06:46 |
| halleck | the standard flash utility can do it? I thought I needed special firmware, hmm thanks for the link GeneralAntilles | 06:46 |
| WormFood | I just installed my imap server a few weeks ago, because I got tired of pop3 fuckups with evolution | 06:46 |
| johnx | Ah, good to know it's not something I did that broke gmail/imap here | 06:48 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, I changed my theme and background: http://www.xenf.net/images/screenie.png | 06:49 |
| Navi | I'm a bit annoyed that I cant use the space at the top | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:49 |
| Navi | or at least move those icons down | 06:50 |
| Navi | on the side | 06:50 |
| halleck | has anyone tried the 2008HE for the 770? Nokia says don't use it but they said that about 2007HE and it worked better than 2006 for me. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vote/contribute: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084 | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | halleck, it works fine on my two 770s. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | They haven't been primary machines for a very long time. | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it may or may not work well for you. | 06:51 |
| Navi | aw man | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Swap is key, anyway. | 06:51 |
| halleck | cool, good to hear! What doesn't work | 06:51 |
| Navi | change that bug report | 06:51 |
| halleck | ? | 06:51 |
| skibur | I'm looking for mencoder for N800 OS2008. | 06:51 |
| Navi | it breaks pop as well | 06:51 |
| Navi | skibur, no offense, but it's not really smart to encode video on that slow arm O_o | 06:51 |
| halleck | what size swap do you recommend? | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can be a little flaky in high-memory situation, halleck. | 06:51 |
| skibur | I know | 06:51 |
| skibur | just looking for it | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 128MB is a good plan, plus upping the swappiness. | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | skibut: you can use my build | 06:52 |
| skibur | cool | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | i have enabled tv interface too | 06:52 |
| halleck | upping the swappiness? lol what does that mean. | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | so it can record from camera too | 06:52 |
| skibur | so it acts like a camcoder? | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | a little | 06:52 |
| skibur | uncompressed? | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | manages 16fps @ 320x240 | 06:52 |
| KotCzarny | with ffmpeeg | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | halleck, the device's tendency to use swap. | 06:53 |
| johnx | halleck, there's a setting in /proc/sys/vm (I think) that sets how likely the kernel is to use swap rather than canibalize it's cache | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 06:53 |
| halleck | really, I did not know of that. Thanks | 06:53 |
| halleck | You guys are quite helpful :) | 06:53 |
| skibur | I will give it a try | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can have an impact on memory card life, though. | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | just google for: mrrau mencoder | 06:53 |
| johnx | it was new with 2.6. Fun to play around with on desktops too | 06:53 |
| skibur | I'm on it | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | should come as 3rd link | 06:54 |
| halleck | Not too big of an issue, the way I see it by the time my card dies I should either be using something bigger. Or be using something that does not rely on bloody mmcs | 06:54 |
| johnx | exactly :) | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | look in binaries | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good thinking, halleck. ;) | 06:54 |
| skibur | ok | 06:55 |
| skibur | found it | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | also it's not that hard to build it yourself | 06:55 |
| skibur | this one? : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/ | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:55 |
| skibur | ok | 06:55 |
| skibur | so just copy and run? | 06:55 |
| skibur | since its a bin | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | probably unpack and chmod +x | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | as well | 06:56 |
| skibur | ok | 06:56 |
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| KotCzarny | if you want the source just grab mplayer source | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | and compile it with your flags | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | (in sdk) | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:56 |
| skibur | ok | 06:56 |
| halleck | GeneralAntilles: Is there a way to talk directly to the bluetooth module? | 06:56 |
| KotCzarny | also use 'save as' or wget | 06:57 |
| KotCzarny | because browser can break the file | 06:57 |
| skibur | yeah, it has happen for me as well | 06:57 |
| halleck | I am trying to decide whether I want to buy a bluetooth or wifi module for my arduino...I want my 770 to be able to program it as well as feed it input. | 06:58 |
| Navi | Is there a nuvo black theme? | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | there's nuvoclear | 07:02 |
| pupnik | i have it on os2006 | 07:02 |
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| Navi | Aw | 07:03 |
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| Navi | Maemo's broken certificate is annoying | 07:04 |
| t_s_o | hmm? | 07:05 |
| skibur | hum... KotCzarny, chmod +x mencoder doens't enable execute | 07:06 |
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| KotCzarny | vfat has noexec | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | it has to be on main fs | 07:08 |
| skibur | ok | 07:08 |
| skibur | ok | 07:09 |
| skibur | its set | 07:09 |
| skibur | so what is the driver? | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 07:13 |
| skibur | v412 | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | v4l2 | 07:14 |
| skibur | l | 07:14 |
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| skibur | nice | 07:17 |
| skibur | it works | 07:17 |
| skibur | the screen is flip | 07:17 |
| skibur | but cool | 07:17 |
| skibur | :S 99.9mb for secs | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | use video compression | 07:19 |
| skibur | yeah | 07:19 |
| skibur | what about videocamera? | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | what videocamera? | 07:20 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19010 | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | that's mplayer | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | btw. this post is wrong | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | camera will flip image by itself | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | when turned | 07:22 |
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| skibur | I think they are talking about mencoder recordering | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | me too | 07:24 |
| skibur | because I was recordering just now, but when I flip the cam, it didn't auto flip. | 07:24 |
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| t_s_o | from what i recall, there is a setting in gconf that has something to do with camera flip... | 07:30 |
| t_s_o | found it, /system/osso/af/camera-has-turned | 07:32 |
| t_s_o | kinda funny how setting it to true will flip the camera image no matter what :) | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | nice to know | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:33 |
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| t_s_o | all kinds of stuff hides there, like the controls for the inscreen keyboard when a real keyboard is attached, or the N810 keyboard is slid out | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | i like it | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | i mean knobs | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:36 |
| t_s_o | i just wonder why the "launch on camera extend" seems to reset on reboot... | 07:37 |
| skibur | just saw you post t_s_o | 07:37 |
| skibur | your | 07:37 |
| t_s_o | hmm, could be related to the schemas | 07:37 |
| t_s_o | yep, i figured people could find it interesting, or redundant... | 07:38 |
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| Italodance | hi guys | 08:13 |
| Italodance | how can i turn on my wlan ? infact without searching | 08:13 |
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| zion | Italodance: (warning I am a newb) but I would guess in the connection manager. otherwise I think you have to search | 08:17 |
| zion | is the n810 suppose to come with a user manual? | 08:18 |
| doc|home | there's one in pdf form on the image | 08:19 |
| zion | yeah... this device is just making me freel real stupid | 08:20 |
| zion | plug in a minisdhc card... how do I use it? | 08:20 |
| zion | no indication it was successfully registered or anything | 08:21 |
| johnx | zion, if it doesn't show up then something isn't working right | 08:23 |
| johnx | is it a microsdhc in an adapter? | 08:23 |
| johnx | basically just make sure that it's formatted and seated all the way | 08:23 |
| zion | card says: "miniSDHC class 6" | 08:23 |
| zion | well, n810 is the only card read I have atm | 08:23 |
| johnx | so it's a brand new card, then? | 08:24 |
| zion | yep | 08:24 |
| zion | probably not formatted... hrmm | 08:24 |
| johnx | probably is formatted... | 08:24 |
| johnx | they'd get so many support calls if it wasn't :) | 08:25 |
| johnx | Just make sure it's clicked in all the way. I have an N800, but I thought I remembered someone having that problem with an N810 | 08:25 |
| zion | anything I should look for in dmesg? | 08:26 |
| zion | don't see any devices being mounted | 08:26 |
| johnx | yeah, it should say something about setting the voltage for the card | 08:26 |
| zion | yep. got that | 08:27 |
| zion | Setting voltage 'VMMC; to 3000 mV | 08:27 |
| zion | ah! it showed up | 08:28 |
| zion | nice | 08:28 |
| johnx | woo! | 08:28 |
| zion | must not have pushed it in far enough | 08:28 |
| Italodance | hi zion welcome here :D | 08:29 |
| johnx | ok, now, Italodance what are you trying to do with WLAN? | 08:29 |
| zion | anyone port keychain to maemo? | 08:30 |
| Italodance | hi johnx how are ya today? :D | 08:30 |
| johnx | pretty good. :) | 08:30 |
| Italodance | johnx i want just to see my wlan as turn on | 08:30 |
| Italodance | infact without an always searching for connections... | 08:30 |
| Italodance | just be on | 08:30 |
| zion | Italodance: once you connect to it, it should always just auto connect when it comes in range | 08:31 |
| johnx | Once you've connected to an access point, save the access point when it asks you | 08:31 |
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| Italodance | johnx well i want to connect my n800 to laptop but laptop needs to see it as on (and n800 just can searching but couldn't find it) | 08:32 |
| johnx | then in settings -> control panel -> Connectivity make sure it says "Connect automatically: WLAN connections" | 08:32 |
| johnx | to connect between a laptop and the n800 you need to use an ad-hoc connection | 08:33 |
| Italodance | laptop can't find it unless the wlan of n800 can be on | 08:33 |
| Italodance | yes i done all ad-hoc/setting/ip... | 08:34 |
| johnx | and you selected ad-hoc on both the laptop *and* the n800 | 08:34 |
| johnx | you don't need both of them to be on to set both of them to ad-hoc | 08:34 |
| Italodance | johnx oh thank u :D | 08:36 |
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| opendeep | hi | 08:37 |
| johnx | hello | 08:37 |
| zion | there is no bzip? | 08:41 |
| johnx | it's in a repository | 08:41 |
| johnx | go to http://gronmayer.com/it | 08:41 |
| johnx | search for bzip2, install that repository | 08:42 |
| johnx | you'll be doing that a lot, I'm afraid... | 08:42 |
| zion | ok... that looks like a useful url | 08:42 |
| johnx | just don't add all the repositories at once | 08:42 |
| zion | heh | 08:42 |
| johnx | some contain packages that conflict, some contain packages with mismatched versions, some don't contain packages for the right OS200x version | 08:43 |
| johnx | just add repos as you need them, and you should be fine | 08:44 |
| Italodance | johnx The transparent background can work good on os2008? | 08:44 |
| johnx | Italodance, are you referring to home applets? | 08:45 |
| Italodance | johnx yes i am looking for another app like simple launcher for os2008 | 08:45 |
| Italodance | johnx tell me what is the name of this app ?http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166696 | 08:46 |
| johnx | Idea | 08:47 |
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| johnx | but it's not out for os2008 | 08:48 |
| Italodance | johnx ah what a pity are u sure? :( | 08:48 |
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| johnx | I don't know. Why not search? | 08:49 |
| Italodance | Idea...ok that's name | 08:49 |
| johnx | yes | 08:49 |
| zion | what distro is the n810 running? chinook? | 08:50 |
| johnx | yes | 08:50 |
| Italodance | zion chinook = maemo 4.0 / 4.0.1 | 08:51 |
| zion | ok... think I am missing something | 08:51 |
| zion | do a search for Bzip and nothing shows up | 08:51 |
| johnx | hmm | 08:51 |
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| zion | and have the Maemo Chinook repo installed, enabled and sync'd | 08:52 |
| johnx | ah, there's more than one | 08:52 |
| johnx | wait a second? | 08:52 |
| johnx | you looked in app manager? | 08:52 |
| zion | yep | 08:52 |
| johnx | try apt-get | 08:53 |
| zion | heh | 08:53 |
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| johnx | app manager only shows things that have "Section: user/*" set in the .deb | 08:53 |
| zion | ah | 08:53 |
| zion | so I need to get root hen | 08:54 |
| zion | then | 08:54 |
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| johnx | grab easyroot from nitapps.com :) | 08:54 |
| johnx | or install openssh-server | 08:54 |
| t_s_o | then its root and apt-get install bzip2 in terminal | 08:54 |
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| zion | nitapps repo.install doesn't have the right mimetype set | 08:56 |
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| johnx | you can just save it and open it in file manager or app manager | 08:59 |
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| WormFood | I wished to hell they would fuckin' fix the god damn dhcp client! | 09:19 |
| t_s_o | ? | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | fuckin fuck fuck fuck fuuuck | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | stop fucking saying fuck every fucking word | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | fuck | 09:19 |
| johnx | jeez, KotCzarny, stop your fuckin' swearing. I'm fucking sick of it. :P | 09:20 |
| WormFood | it is fuckin' frustrating as fuckin hell to not be able to use my fuckin' wireless...FUCK! | 09:20 |
| t_s_o | what is this, a verbal recreation of vietnam style carpet bombing by B-52's? ;) | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | fucking say that fucking fuckity fuck nokia and get the fuck out this chan | 09:20 |
| WormFood | ok, I said it more that time just to fuck with you :P | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | want it fixed, file a bug | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | but don't bug US | 09:21 |
| WormFood | it has been filed! | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | then just wait | 09:21 |
| t_s_o | err, remind me about whats wrong with it? | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | without swearing | 09:21 |
| WormFood | I just connected, disconnected, and now I get an error | 09:21 |
| WormFood | I unplug the router, plug it back in, and now I can connect | 09:21 |
| WormFood | there seems to be 2 different problems with the dhcp client | 09:21 |
| johnx | t_s_o, it doesn't handle DHCP NAKs correctly, IIRC | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | tso: nobody knows, probably some dangling leases, but who knows | 09:21 |
| johnx | WormFood, that sounds like the DHCP NAK problem... | 09:22 |
| johnx | I think it's just that one problem, really | 09:22 |
| WormFood | yeah, that is what I think this one is | 09:22 |
| WormFood | but there seems to be another problem too | 09:22 |
| WormFood | maybe it is because the n800 can hear APs it can't actually reach | 09:22 |
| WormFood | BOTH problems are frustrating as hell | 09:22 |
| WormFood | and I have them both | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | stop swearing | 09:22 |
| WormFood | what did I say this time? | 09:23 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, you don't need to be the channel police... | 09:23 |
| t_s_o | so the N800 behaves like that customer thats right even when proven wrong? | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, police? | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's the netiquette | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | police would be if i had the op | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:23 |
| johnx | right, and you don't need to "enforce" it :) | 09:24 |
| WormFood | yeah, I haven't said "Fuck" in a while | 09:24 |
| WormFood | I was just asking what I said | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood: every word that is emotionally loaded | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | it's computers | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | you can break it | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | but it won't help | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | if you shout at it | 09:25 |
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| WormFood | you're so funny | 09:25 |
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| WormFood | :P | 09:25 |
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| johnx | t_s_o, basically, what happens is: you get a lease for 192.168.1.x , you switch to another AP that uses a 10.0.0.0 class B, your N800 asks for its 192.168.1.x lease back, the DHCP server sends a NAK, and the N800 gives up, when instead it should ask for a new lease | 09:26 |
| johnx | (IIRC) | 09:26 |
| WormFood | not in my case johnx | 09:26 |
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| johnx | that's just one example... | 09:26 |
| johnx | it could happen with another 192.168.x.x network | 09:27 |
| WormFood | I connected to the AP, disconnected, and when I try to connect again I get an error....I unplug the AP, and now I can connect | 09:27 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i cant say i have seen that happen... | 09:27 |
| WormFood | I mean....I unplug the ap, AND THEN PLUG IT BACK IN...hehehe...of course | 09:27 |
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| johnx | It's hard to debug without being there. I bet a NAK is involved though | 09:29 |
| johnx | It's also possible your AP is not all that clever | 09:29 |
| WormFood | my AP is a piece of cisco/linksys shit! | 09:29 |
| WormFood | I'm sure a NAK is involved | 09:29 |
| WormFood | because when I power cycle it, it works again | 09:30 |
| WormFood | I don't have problems with any other piece of equipment with it | 09:30 |
| WormFood | I'm trying to get my WEP cracking to work...so I'm testing it with my N800 | 09:31 |
| johnx | WormFood, is it a linksys that can run openwrt? | 09:31 |
| WormFood | yes | 09:31 |
| WormFood | but if I do that, then I can't revert it back to factory | 09:31 |
| johnx | why not? | 09:31 |
| WormFood | it seems nobody has extracted this version of firmware | 09:31 |
| johnx | aaah | 09:32 |
| WormFood | and this version of firmware is not on their web site | 09:32 |
| WormFood | this is a WTR54G | 09:32 |
| johnx | is there a reason you want that specific firmware? | 09:32 |
| WormFood | NOT a WRT54G | 09:32 |
| johnx | ah, right | 09:32 |
| johnx | I remember now | 09:32 |
| WormFood | because I think this firmware has features not in the openwrt | 09:32 |
| johnx | really? that's pretty interesting | 09:33 |
| WormFood | I think...I could be wrong | 09:33 |
| johnx | like not working with your N800? :P | 09:33 |
| johnx | mine is totally missing that feature :) | 09:33 |
| WormFood | it works....as long as I don't need it to work....as soon as it need it to work it quits working | 09:33 |
| WormFood | I swear this thing has a "critical use" detector on it | 09:33 |
| WormFood | This is a "travel router" | 09:34 |
| johnx | anyways, what is the feature you think openwrt doesn't have | 09:34 |
| WormFood | it will allow me to connect to an open wireless access point, and rebroadcast it | 09:34 |
| johnx | I may actually know | 09:34 |
| WormFood | it will also allow me to give a wired computer wireless access | 09:34 |
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| johnx | is that WDS? or something else? | 09:35 |
| WormFood | so I put the WAP in the window, and run a coax to the desktop, and now the desktop has internet :D | 09:35 |
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| WormFood | don't know about "WDS" | 09:35 |
| johnx | that is an interesting feature | 09:35 |
| WormFood | it is very nice feature | 09:35 |
| WormFood | I have used it before | 09:36 |
| johnx | I must admit that I didn't know something like that was possible | 09:36 |
| WormFood | it is all in software | 09:36 |
| WormFood | instead of using it as a wap, use it as a client | 09:36 |
| WormFood | I don't think openwrt has anything like that | 09:36 |
| johnx | well, the openwrt firmware can act as a client, definitely | 09:36 |
| WormFood | check out the WTR54G | 09:36 |
| johnx | but rebroadcasting is something I'm not sure about | 09:36 |
| WormFood | it has 2 ethernet ports on it | 09:37 |
| WormFood | then openwrt should be able to give a desktop wireless access through normal ethernet | 09:37 |
| WormFood | but I actually use that wireless to wireless feature | 09:37 |
| WormFood | I put the AP in the window, and now I can use my laptop or n800 anywhere around the house | 09:38 |
| WormFood | the one feature it is lacking is the ability to connect to an encrypted wap, even if I have the key :( | 09:38 |
| johnx | hmm...it looks like openwrt isn't even supported for it yet | 09:38 |
| WormFood | I'll be the n800, with the right software, would be able to give my laptop an internet connection through the usb port, and have the n800 act as a wireless client | 09:39 |
| WormFood | I have read that there is a version of something for it | 09:39 |
| WormFood | ddwrt or openwrt | 09:39 |
| WormFood | i forget | 09:39 |
| johnx | ddwrt works apparently | 09:40 |
| WormFood | ok, that is the one then | 09:40 |
| johnx | though v2.x has only 8MB of RAM, which is kinda painful | 09:41 |
| WormFood | that is what I'm running on my wrt54g at home | 09:41 |
| WormFood | yeah, and of course, that is what I have | 09:41 |
| johnx | ah, weak sauce | 09:41 |
| zion | johnx: thnx for the help. | 09:42 |
| WormFood | oh....while I'm thinking about it....maybe someone has a fix for this problem.... | 09:42 |
| WormFood | zion, johnx is a great help | 09:42 |
| johnx | sure | 09:43 |
| zion | now I have to figure out what project to take up ... | 09:43 |
| WormFood | I modified that one file, I forget the name, in /etc...to give me a reboot option on my menu when I hit the power button | 09:43 |
| zion | prob should get use to scratchbox first | 09:43 |
| WormFood | now when I hit the power button, about 90% of the time nothing happens | 09:43 |
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| WormFood | I enabled all the other options as well, like soft power off, and that shit....anyone know what I need to do to get the power button to work properly again? I figured it is one entry there that is screwing it up | 09:44 |
| johnx | WormFood, that's interesting...the same thing happened to me yesterday | 09:45 |
| johnx | but I didn't change anything in that file | 09:45 |
| WormFood | it is very frustrating | 09:45 |
| johnx | probably unrelated | 09:45 |
| WormFood | it is doing it ALL the time | 09:45 |
| WormFood | doing it = not working | 09:45 |
| johnx | if you remember the filename I can send you a fresh copy | 09:45 |
| WormFood | I can just re-edit it | 09:46 |
| johnx | maybe mce.ini or system-ui or something? | 09:46 |
| WormFood | system-it perhaps | 09:46 |
| WormFood | it was the only file in the directory, I remember that much | 09:46 |
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| WormFood | it is not real important, just frustrating | 09:47 |
| WormFood | is there something I can do to make the menu normal sizes, like what is in os2007? | 09:47 |
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| johnx | Crack open the source code. :) | 09:48 |
| WormFood | thanks obi wan | 09:48 |
| johnx | meh, at least the code is open | 09:48 |
| johnx | you should look at personal menu though | 09:48 |
| johnx | smaller entries and it can replace the useless (IMHO) communications menu | 09:49 |
| WormFood | yeah | 09:49 |
| johnx | oooor...you could get the OS2007 one working in OS2008 | 09:49 |
| WormFood | what good is a screen of this resolution, if you make all the graphics double size | 09:49 |
| johnx | yeah, I kinda hate that menu | 09:49 |
| WormFood | you can delete the communications menu easily enough | 09:49 |
| WormFood | I just want to make them "normal" sized, like in os2007 | 09:50 |
| WormFood | I presume it is oversized so you can use your finger | 09:50 |
| johnx | that's the idea | 09:50 |
| WormFood | I mean, seriously, how many people actually use their finger on the n800? | 09:50 |
| johnx | I do | 09:50 |
| WormFood | I use my finger nail at best | 09:50 |
| johnx | no stylus here at all | 09:50 |
| johnx | and I can't be arsed to use a pen cap or whatever | 09:51 |
| johnx | thumbs work well for 90% of my day-to-day use | 09:51 |
| WormFood | really? | 09:51 |
| johnx | yeah | 09:51 |
| WormFood | I never use my finger | 09:51 |
| WormFood | many times I use my finger nail tho | 09:51 |
| johnx | i often use pointer fingernail | 09:51 |
| WormFood | I was thinking of cutting it to a point, to make a better stylus ;) | 09:51 |
| johnx | heh | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I barely ever use the stylus. | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | WormFood, if it's really such an issue, use Personal Menu. | 09:52 |
| johnx | that's going a little overboard I think (cutting your nails for tablet use...) | 09:52 |
| WormFood | I was joking about that one johnx ;) | 09:52 |
| johnx | anyways, I just discovered the double-size scrollbar theme so I'm pretty thrilled | 09:52 |
| johnx | I think people have done it though O_o | 09:52 |
| WormFood | what do you mean, personal menu? | 09:52 |
| johnx | ah, "Personal menu" | 09:53 |
| johnx | google it on itt | 09:53 |
| johnx | it's a replacement app launcher menu | 09:53 |
| johnx | smaller entries | 09:53 |
| WormFood | really? never heard of it before now | 09:53 |
| johnx | Now you know! And knowledge is power! | 09:53 |
| WormFood | and power will help me take over the world....muhahahahahaha哈哈哈哈哈哈 | 09:54 |
| johnx | ok, is that the kanji you meant to type? | 09:55 |
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| johnx | google translate tells me: Kazakhstan | 09:56 |
| sol289 | hello everybody | 09:56 |
| WormFood | it isn't kanji | 09:56 |
| WormFood | and yes, it is what I meant to type | 09:56 |
| WormFood | try to convert it from chinese to english | 09:56 |
| johnx | WormFood, ah, ok. One of them on its own translates to Kazakhstan though | 09:57 |
| johnx | try it :) | 09:57 |
| WormFood | I am trying it now | 09:58 |
| WormFood | I'm curious | 09:58 |
| WormFood | hahaha | 09:58 |
| johnx | yeah, seriously | 09:58 |
| WormFood | google translates it to "you you you" | 09:58 |
| johnx | right. if you put in two at once | 09:58 |
| johnx | but put in just one | 09:58 |
| WormFood | try 3 | 09:59 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 09:59 |
| WormFood | translate 哈哈哈 | 09:59 |
| WormFood | that is right | 09:59 |
| johnx | heh | 09:59 |
| johnx | ah the wonder of robo-translators | 09:59 |
| WormFood | indeed | 09:59 |
| sol289 | where from can i install libsqlite3 to my n800? | 09:59 |
| johnx | go to http://gronmayer.com/it and search for it. | 10:00 |
| sol289 | johnx thanks! | 10:01 |
| johnx | sure :) | 10:01 |
| johnx | standard speech: don't install everything you see at gronmayer.com/it . No one vets that stuff, and some of it can conflict. be smart, be safe. :) | 10:02 |
| sol289 | johnx ok :) | 10:03 |
| WormFood | google translates "田" to "tin", but it is really "field" | 10:03 |
| WormFood | I know, that is one of my friend's family name | 10:03 |
| WormFood | and "天" to "days", but really it can mean days, or sky, or heaven, depending on the context | 10:03 |
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| WormFood | it does translate "天天" properly ("every day") | 10:03 |
| johnx | terrifyingly I actually know some of these. :) | 10:04 |
| WormFood | this is all basic, simple stuff | 10:04 |
| johnx | still :) | 10:04 |
| WormFood | last time I tried it, it translated 美 to "usa", but that is only sometimes used as "usa", which is "美国" | 10:05 |
| sol289 | bye bye | 10:05 |
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| johnx | 'later sol289 | 10:05 |
| WormFood | I should try to sell my N800....maybe I can get more money out of it than what I paid for it ;) | 10:05 |
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| johnx | well, you certainly have scarcity on your side :D | 10:06 |
| wnd | uh, how exactly can 天 translate into "days"? | 10:06 |
| este_ | any of you guys know pyGTK ? | 10:06 |
| WormFood | yeah, that is a fact....someone else I met here said nokia tried to send them a N810, but customs rejected it, twice | 10:07 |
| WormFood | wnd, it is sometimes used as "days"....like "7 days inn" starts as "7天", for example | 10:07 |
| WormFood | I know, I just walked by a 7 days inn today | 10:07 |
| WormFood | but why is the word for "wine" part of the chinese word for "inn"? | 10:08 |
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| wnd | I don't claim to know chinese but it sounds kind of unexpected | 10:08 |
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| wnd | I'll have to ask my chinese friend to explain when he's around :-) | 10:08 |
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| WormFood | 酒 is the word for wine, but also part of the word for "inn" (I don't know how to type that one yet) | 10:08 |
| WormFood | good luck...chinese is some weird shit sometimes | 10:09 |
| WormFood | do you know what 中 and 心 means? | 10:09 |
| johnx | man, all languages are weird. Any sufficiently old system gets that way. Trying to explain to people why English acts the way it does is tough... | 10:09 |
| WormFood | 中 = middle, and 心 = heart | 10:09 |
| wnd | sure | 10:09 |
| johnx | bah, was just about to reply :P | 10:10 |
| WormFood | but 中心 means "center" | 10:10 |
| johnx | makes sense | 10:10 |
| johnx | at the heart of the middle :) | 10:10 |
| WormFood | which makes a little bit of sense, because the heart of something means the core of it | 10:10 |
| WormFood | but 中 can also mean center | 10:10 |
| WormFood | but like "shopping center" is 中心 | 10:11 |
| johnx | heh | 10:11 |
| WormFood | now what I want to know, is how did the character for "rice" also become the character for "meter"? | 10:11 |
| WormFood | I don't remember how to type that one either | 10:12 |
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| sol289 | me again | 10:12 |
| wnd | like I said I don't know chinese (or chinese characters or their use), but I do know some japanese, and therefore a few things about kanjis. | 10:12 |
| WormFood | well, then you know some chinese | 10:12 |
| WormFood | because japan stole their writing system from china | 10:12 |
| wnd | I know. but I also know that it's not smart to generalise that knowledge | 10:13 |
| WormFood | indeed | 10:13 |
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| WormFood | japan has different writing systems, but the older one is still very chinese | 10:13 |
| WormFood | I know that 女 and 男 are still the same in japanese and chinese | 10:13 |
| johnx | so is middle :) | 10:14 |
| WormFood | and 东京 is "tokyo" ;) | 10:14 |
| WormFood | which literally translates to "east capital" | 10:14 |
| sol289 | i can't see all repository software when i add it to my n800 (i see it on gronmayer) | 10:14 |
| WormFood | 北京 is "beijing" and literally means "north capital" | 10:15 |
| sol289 | for example: sqlite (v. 2.8.17-4) | 10:15 |
| johnx | it won't show up in app manger unless it's in section: user/* | 10:15 |
| wnd | partly. japanese no longer use 之 to indicate ownership, they use hiragana の instead. then again japanese write horse as 馬 while it's 马 in simplified chinese. | 10:15 |
| sol289 | it is on gronmayer and it's not in list of applications for install | 10:15 |
| WormFood | you are right wnd | 10:16 |
| johnx | use apt-get | 10:16 |
| WormFood | but simplified chinese is only used in PRC, not ROC or HK or overseas chinese | 10:16 |
| wnd | but if you go to imperial palace, tokyo (or some temples in kyoto), you'll see them using 之 in certain places. | 10:16 |
| WormFood | I brought a chinese menu from usa with me (to china), and my friends pointed out the fact it uses traditional chinese characters on it | 10:16 |
| sol289 | like "apt-get sqlite"? i don't know much about linux, i'm more on freebsd :) | 10:17 |
| WormFood | I haven't learned the 之 character yet | 10:17 |
| este_ | here is Q for you N800/810 guys, there is a video from a nokia press event where they haul a table up 180ft and use the wimax (silly) the 'reporter' says the browser often locks up for a moment and then all of a sudden responds to all the blocked gui inputs, is this a wimax thing or is this representitive of how the opera browser in ITOS is ???? | 10:17 |
| WormFood | what is cool is to see very old chinese that is still readable | 10:17 |
| WormFood | it is amazing how some characters have not changed form in thousands of years | 10:18 |
| WormFood | and other characters changed so radically you can't even recognize them as the same characters | 10:18 |
| johnx | este_, opera isn't available on in OS2008, and yes, I could see how it would be possible for microb to be having that problem | 10:18 |
| wnd | how do you pronounce 之 in chinese? "e" as in "metro"? | 10:18 |
| WormFood | I don't know, I can speak very little chinese...I can read a LOT more than I can speak | 10:18 |
| WormFood | Chinese is VERY hard for me to speak or listen to | 10:19 |
| WormFood | I can say "I don't know" and "I don't understand" in chinese tho ;) | 10:19 |
| johnx | yeah, the tonal part sounds hard O_o | 10:19 |
| WormFood | it is hard | 10:19 |
| wnd | I think my chinese knowledge is limited to "yes", "no", "thank you" and "sorry" | 10:20 |
| sol289 | oh yeah! apt-get sqlite did the trick! | 10:20 |
| WormFood | there is no word for "no" | 10:20 |
| sol289 | thanks again :) | 10:20 |
| johnx | sure :) | 10:20 |
| WormFood | at best, it is "not" 不 | 10:20 |
| wnd | well, whatever it was what he told me | 10:20 |
| este_ | johnx: oh, I thought it was opera, but the browser gets blocked easily huh ? hmmmmmmmm | 10:21 |
| wnd | I wouldn't know | 10:21 |
| WormFood | if someone asks if you can speak chinese, you can't say "no", but you can say "not speak" | 10:21 |
| WormFood | if you don't have something, you can say "not have" | 10:21 |
| WormFood | there is a "yes" of course | 10:21 |
| johnx | este_, it can be flakey at times. The next version will be a lot better. Firefox has gotten a lot faster on ARM lately | 10:21 |
| WormFood | what is weird, is in china they actually say "sorry" (english) | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot faster period. | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The reporter was probably complaining about it rendering. | 10:22 |
| este_ | johnx: is there a maemo port for ff coming / progressing ? | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can get unresponsive during loading and rendering. | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is Gecko. | 10:22 |
| WormFood | I have few problems web browsing, other than the small screen | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minefield is available | 10:22 |
| johnx | este_, microb *is* pretty much firefox for all intents and puprposes | 10:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But really not worth the time at this point. | 10:22 |
| este_ | ah, I get, | 10:22 |
| sol289 | next question: i want to install sqlite3, and it give me this: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed | 10:23 |
| este_ | he said it was like his generic tivo, where he did something, then it locked up then he did something else, then something else, then all of a sudden it did all the things really fast | 10:23 |
| este_ | its on the handful of nothing blog | 10:23 |
| sol289 | can i tell apt-get that 3.4.1 is fine? :) | 10:23 |
| qwerty12 | sol289, How come you don't want to upgrade? | 10:24 |
| johnx | este_, that sounds about right for scrolling while a page renders | 10:25 |
| este_ | eh, its getting late. I need to get back to my pyGTK tutorial (absolutely terrible - should be banned from the internet!).. Thanks for the info on microb | 10:26 |
| sol289 | qwerty12 upgrade 3.4.1 to 3.4.2 you think? | 10:26 |
| johnx | the situation really is getting better though. In a couple months we'll have a couple really great browsers available | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | sol289, Yeah :) | 10:26 |
| este_ | gecko 1.9 ? | 10:26 |
| qwerty12 | sol289, Doesn't sound bad :/ | 10:27 |
| sol289 | umm... apt-get upgrade libsqlite3 ? | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, este_. | 10:27 |
| este_ | ah cool | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently a very old snapshot as shipped with Chinook. | 10:27 |
| WormFood | I'm going to take off...I'll see you guys later....have a good day/night/whatever | 10:27 |
| johnx | este_, midori, microb (w/ newer gecko), normal firefox, firefox mobile | 10:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So Diablo will be a VERY significant upgrade in browser performance. | 10:27 |
| johnx | 'later WormFood | 10:27 |
| qwerty12 | sol289, It sounds like apt-get was going to do it anyway. It says "these packages will be updated..." | 10:27 |
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| sol289 | no it doesnt | 10:28 |
| sol289 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed | 10:28 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, not sure on that one. Brb | 10:29 |
| sol289 | qwerty12 ok, from the beginning: i want to look inside of ~/.meta_storage, and some body in this channel told me that this file is a sqlite db | 10:30 |
| sol289 | `sqlite .meta_storage` tell me that this is not an sqlite db or it is broken | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | > is greater than right? | 10:31 |
| sol289 | so now i want to try it with sqlite3 | 10:31 |
| sol289 | qwerty12 yes, i think so, arithmetics... :) | 10:31 |
| sol289 | *according to arithmetics :) | 10:31 |
| qwerty12 | I've never been good at maths :P :) | 10:32 |
| johnx | sol289, is there more than one sqlite3 available from another source, perhaps? | 10:32 |
| sol289 | i think that this sqlite3 dependency is not really important | 10:33 |
| sol289 | johnx how can i know this? how can i list repository contents? | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | www.gronmayer.com/it has a search | 10:33 |
| qwerty12 | It's where I am now, looking for the lib :P :) | 10:34 |
| johnx | sol289, apt-cache poilicy sqlite3 | 10:34 |
| johnx | but that only deals with repos you already "installed" | 10:34 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, Ah, thanks, I didn't know that | 10:34 |
| johnx | apt-cache search is nice too | 10:35 |
| sol289 | johnx and how can i list already installed packages? | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l | 10:36 |
| johnx | apt-cache policy package will show you what version is installed | 10:37 |
| sol289 | ok, i have libsqlite 3.4.1-1osso3 installed | 10:37 |
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| sol289 | i'm little worry - if i deinstall 3.4.1-1osso3, and then install 3.4.2 - will all work then? :) | 10:38 |
| johnx | it would seem that way | 10:38 |
| sol289 | those unices are such surprising sometimes :) | 10:38 |
| johnx | that's why I didn't confirm or deny it, just said maybe :) | 10:39 |
| sol289 | johnx can i backup old version of package somehow? | 10:40 |
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| sol289 | sorry for such lame questions :-\ | 10:40 |
| johnx | not terribly easily | 10:40 |
| johnx | dpkg-repack would do it, but it has lots and lots of dependencies | 10:40 |
| johnx | ah,libsqlite3 came with the tablet, didn't it | 10:41 |
| sol289 | yes, it is | 10:41 |
| johnx | I could see why you'd be worried about replacing it... | 10:41 |
| johnx | so would I :) | 10:41 |
| sol289 | so if i could just make sqlite3 think that 3.4.1 is enough - it would be much better than replace those Library That Comes With The Tablet :) | 10:42 |
| johnx | yes, you can unpack the package with ar -x, then unpack control.tar.gz | 10:43 |
| johnx | edit control to have the right depend and repack | 10:43 |
| johnx | it's a bit round-a-bout, but I've done similar things before | 10:43 |
| sol289 | johnx oh, ok, i'll try | 10:43 |
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| sol289 | but... ar -x ? | 10:44 |
| sol289 | -sh: ar: not found | 10:44 |
| qwerty12 | Just a quick question, in flash player settings, when you have a camera selected and you tap the big blue webcam button, are you supposed to see what coming from your camera in that box? | 10:44 |
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| johnx | must not come with the tablet | 10:45 |
| johnx | but yes, ar is the right command... | 10:45 |
| sol289 | crap... | 10:45 |
| qwerty12 | http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ar.gz | 10:46 |
| qwerty12 | I figure a gz will be better as your apt may be messing up atm | 10:46 |
| sol289 | qwerty12 thanks | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | np, just use gunzip on it | 10:47 |
| sol289 | i used gzip -d | 10:48 |
| sol289 | ok, it works | 10:48 |
| sol289 | but now i have to figure how to download sqlite3 package... | 10:48 |
| johnx | apt-get --download sqlite3 | 10:49 |
| johnx | hmm...might still complain about permissions though | 10:49 |
| johnx | s/permissions/dependencies/g | 10:49 |
| infobot | johnx meant: hmm...might still complain about dependencies though | 10:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, Flash doesn't support the webcam. | 10:49 |
| johnx | v4l vs v4l2 | 10:49 |
| sol289 | yep, it still says about dependencies | 10:49 |
| johnx | you can force those | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I've got omap24xxwebcam to show up via the v4l1 compatible layer but I don't get no video. Ah well. | 10:50 |
| sol289 | johnx you mean -f? | 10:50 |
| johnx | --force-yes | 10:51 |
| johnx | apt-get --download --force-yes sqlite3 | 10:51 |
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| Proteous | --force-cookie-in-mouth | 10:52 |
| sol289 | it says : E: Invalid operation sqlite3 | 10:52 |
| Proteous | apt-get install cookie | 10:52 |
| sol289 | should it be with 'install' command? | 10:52 |
| johnx | oops, yeah | 10:53 |
| sol289 | nope, still complains about deps | 10:53 |
| Proteous | apt-get install cookie INTO MY BELLY!! | 10:54 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get moo :P | 10:54 |
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| Proteous | install cookie fail; depends on mod_chocolatechip | 10:54 |
| Proteous | apt-cache search chocolate | 10:55 |
| sol289 | ok, how can i download package? | 10:57 |
| sol289 | ûéäøåó3 | 10:58 |
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| sol289 | sqlite3 | 10:58 |
| sol289 | from repository | 10:58 |
| sol289 | how? | 10:58 |
| johnx | just use a web browser | 10:58 |
| Proteous | *gasp* | 10:58 |
| johnx | it will be under pool probably | 10:58 |
| * Proteous faints | 10:58 | |
| sol289 | and point to?... | 10:58 |
| johnx | the repo address | 10:58 |
| johnx | look it up in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* | 10:59 |
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| sol289 | ok, i open http://debfarm.free.fr (where sqlite3 should be) and see nothing | 11:00 |
| sol289 | they says "coming soon" | 11:01 |
| johnx | http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/ | 11:01 |
| sol289 | thanks again :) | 11:01 |
| johnx | :) | 11:02 |
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| Zic | Anybody tried to test the emulation of N800 / OS2008 with the utilities of Poky Linux? | 11:08 |
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| zerodegre | is there an app for gmail? | 11:17 |
| johnx | a gmail checker statusbar icon? or a mail client that can access gmail? | 11:17 |
| zerodegre | mail clinet | 11:17 |
| qwerty12 | You can use built in client or modest with POP and mnotify is a notifier at the top. | 11:17 |
| johnx | yeah, modest (beta) generally works, but right now there is a bug that makes it not work | 11:18 |
| johnx | should be fixed next week | 11:18 |
| zerodegre | i just tried it | 11:18 |
| zerodegre | no luck | 11:18 |
| johnx | or maybe you could download the week 15 release | 11:18 |
| zerodegre | imap | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, I don't use modest, or any email client come think of it. | 11:18 |
| zerodegre | with modest | 11:18 |
| sol289 | johnx qwerty12 KotCzarny thank you all guys, i've installed sqlite3 package and it works fine! | 11:18 |
| johnx | sol289, great! | 11:18 |
| qwerty12 | sol289, Nice :) | 11:18 |
| johnx | zerodegre, you're using the week 16 release? or week 15? | 11:19 |
| zerodegre | dont know | 11:19 |
| zerodegre | i downloaded it tonight | 11:19 |
| zerodegre | what do i want? | 11:19 |
| johnx | just wait until next week for the fix | 11:19 |
| zerodegre | when i set up the server, its like it never even found the gmail servers | 11:19 |
| zerodegre | ok | 11:19 |
| johnx | or try an old version | 11:19 |
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| sol289 | bye bye | 11:23 |
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| UserID10T | Hey everyone! | 11:31 |
| UserID10T | Good morning from Texas! | 11:31 |
| johnx | mornin' | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Morning from London :) | 11:31 |
| UserID10T | I just ordered my nokia n800 | 11:32 |
| UserID10T | And I am super excited to get it and break it. Cause I know I will. | 11:32 |
| UserID10T | Never used anything Linux based before. | 11:32 |
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| KotCzarny | you shouldn't worry | 11:33 |
| lcuk | about the worst you can do from a program side is need to reflash it - its very diffucult to break it by being a n00b | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's quite hard to break | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:33 |
| lcuk | morning kot | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | dog hour | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:33 |
| lcuk | ? i slept - its morning(ish) now | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's ~4am | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | the worst hour (for some) | 11:34 |
| UserID10T | 3:34 here. | 11:34 |
| lcuk | lol :D | 11:34 |
| qwerty12 | It's 9:34 here | 11:34 |
| lcuk | i hit 4 am a few times last week | 11:34 |
| UserID10T | My eyes hurt. Yay. | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | mine not | 11:34 |
| lcuk | but last night i went to sleep thinking about angle sums | 11:34 |
| johnx | yay! That's the Linux. :) | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | Good way to ensure you get to sleep ;) | 11:35 |
| lcuk | not really it kept me awake | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, having a sleep with algos is cool | 11:35 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, thinking about that would get me to sleep. I really hate maths :P | 11:36 |
| lcuk | at least i know what to do now | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | i like maths | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | at least it's dependable | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | and logical | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:36 |
| lcuk | and does exactly what you ask for even though its not what you need. | 11:36 |
| johnx | very much like Unix :) | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you know all the variables | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise randomness creep in | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, the best part of maths is finding the best *cough* rude *cough words to type in on a scientific calculator | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | that's fun too | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | but limited | 11:37 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, me and my friend just get out our phones and play games against each other, teacher doesn't even realise | 11:38 |
| lcuk | i need brew and then got shitty nappy to change. *fun* i'm so looking foreward to that * o.O * | 11:38 |
| UserID10T | Does anyone know if regular roms will work with the xmaime app? | 11:39 |
| johnx | "regular"? | 11:39 |
| UserID10T | Roms downloaded from the web, given that I have the original cartidge. | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yeah, those chips that you rip from machines | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:40 |
| lcuk | UserID10T, just push the rom chip into the back of your 800 (wedge it in) and then force the battery on top | 11:40 |
| lcuk | your nokia will boot up perfectly everytime | 11:40 |
| UserID10T | Cute. | 11:40 |
| johnx | UserID10T, well, I imagine it would depend on the game, but I don't think you'll have to do anything special | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | some rattling to be expected though | 11:40 |
| johnx | it will either work or it won't | 11:40 |
| lcuk | not sure though, would expect they would work since its a mame port | 11:40 |
| UserID10T | Fair enough, good answer johnx. | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, pupnik is the emu man here | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | so ask him | 11:41 |
| lcuk | or go and ask him in person at LinuxTag next month | 11:41 |
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| qwerty12 | Does mbcache need to be loaded before the softcursor bitblit font fbcon modules? | 11:46 |
| lcuk | back later :) | 11:46 |
| * lcuk *blit* *font* ding | 11:47 | |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I can't get the framebuffer stuff to work after a reflash. Funny thing is ,that I had it working fine before I reflashed. | 11:48 |
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| wom- | hmm, funny jango.com plays music just fine on N810.. tried jango on ps3, result = "Not enough memory" | 11:51 |
| wom- | :D | 11:51 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, netfront sucks (except on pocket pc's) | 11:51 |
| m-c | I have taken to watching webshows on my N800 which I live very much | 12:00 |
| m-c | or, rather, like | 12:00 |
| m-c | owned the thing for a year and never considered it | 12:01 |
| m-c | but I like watching them even better than my desktop | 12:01 |
| johnx | it makes a great last.fm radio too | 12:02 |
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| lcuk | what happens when an unsigned int rolls over? and (for the Datas amongst you) how long will it take when increasing at about 50,00 per 10 seconds | 12:09 |
| lcuk | 50000 | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | it rolls over | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:09 |
| t_s_o | it basically goes from max value to min value. what happens after that depends on how critial it is that it never hits 0... | 12:10 |
| tank-man | the second part of the question depends on how many bits | 12:10 |
| lcuk | i know it will end up in an almost infinite loop, but im just trying to wonder how long it would take ;) | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | as for time, do echo $[0xffffffff/50000*5] and you will get time in minutes | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | *6 | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | (it may be \x instead 0x | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | or \\x | 12:11 |
| lcuk | and how long someone stuck in the loop might have to wait before getting that one sunrise in egypt facing the pyramid on top of a hill type chance of unlocking the system | 12:12 |
| lcuk | (as the number nears rolling round again) | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | that depends on the sun | 12:12 |
| tank-man | depends on where mars is in the sky | 12:12 |
| lcuk | i think i should just relate all values and start from zer o each time :) | 12:12 |
| lcuk | it may still roll round eventually though | 12:13 |
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| lcuk | kow, just worked it out. with this the program will stop waking the screen up after about 858993.4592 seconds of running. the blanker will engage ;) | 12:16 |
| lcuk | kot* | 12:16 |
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| * lcuk stops worrying | 12:17 | |
| KotCzarny | you can just reset it in the midway | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | (the counter) | 12:17 |
| pupnik | thanks for providing a genuine 'wtf' moment when peering into #maemo chat | 12:17 |
| opendeep | hello X_Fade_ | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: :) | 12:18 |
| lcuk | lol pupnik :D gotta do something to take my mind of nappies | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. i have misread as 'nipples'... | 12:19 |
| lcuk | incidentally, pupnik we have solved the blanking | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | i should get some sleep | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:19 |
| pupnik | great! | 12:19 |
| lcuk | yes, go go :P | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | bye then | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:19 |
| pupnik | cheers | 12:20 |
| lcuk | cya later Kot | 12:20 |
| pupnik | can i have a binary? | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | later on today you most certainly can | 12:20 |
| pupnik | ok thanks | 12:20 |
| lcuk | we were discussing everything yesterday and its looking more and more likely that all this will end up in a proper lib - with the specific programs using it :) | 12:21 |
| lcuk | (ie you dont have to wade through demo screens to get to your reader | 12:22 |
| lcuk | but for now its family duties, back later | 12:22 |
| pupnik | cheers | 12:22 |
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| t_s_o | binary of what? | 12:24 |
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| qwerty12 | Wanna guess how many times in total, I've flashed initfs this morning? | 12:48 |
| Gepsu | 42 | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Half that amount ;) :P :) | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're gonna burn it out. :P | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | Hehe, I know :D, I've flashed it so many times before too :/ | 12:52 |
| qwerty12 | It's because I'm a stupid perfectionist | 12:53 |
| * qwerty12 rolls eyes | 12:53 | |
| * lcuk reflashes qwerty12's eyes | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | *WARNING* DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE | 12:55 |
| qwerty12 | Nooooo, my eyes were perfect :O, now every time I wake up, I have to wait for bootloader and initfs | 12:55 |
| lcuk | t_s_o, a little test scrolling book reader | 12:55 |
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| qwerty12 | lcuk, Wow, I would be extremely happy if that ever gets released sometime in the next few months. | 12:56 |
| lcuk | it will do | 12:56 |
| lcuk | along with other stuff in the toolshed at the moment | 12:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Great :). My phone can do it but it's not convenient and the N8*0 has a stand so it would be perfect for some bedside reading. Thanks. | 12:57 |
| lcuk | we are just getting all the pieces together at the moment, there are some important goals which need reaching first | 12:58 |
| qwerty12 | I can wait :) | 12:59 |
| qwerty12 | Is there any way to run a program on shutdown? | 13:00 |
| qwerty12 | I'm using Fanoush's FrameBuffer mod and leaving it in auto slows down the N800 so badly. I'd prefer it so when I shutdown, it gets set back into auto to bring back the geeky side in me :P | 13:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws demands for sources at lcuk. | 13:01 | |
| lcuk | what framebuffer mod? | 13:02 |
| qwerty12 | Where on bootup and shutdown, you can see the kernel output. Like desktop linux without splash and quiet options. | 13:03 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if you heard earlier - once we are happy with everything it will end up as an OSS library/toolkit. i cannot release a playground yet because it contains things which may end up being used inside another closed source app using the library (if that makes sense) | 13:03 |
| tank-man | i dont understand what the auto option would do for that | 13:03 |
| tank-man | framebuffermod | 13:03 |
| * lcuk thought long and hard about that reasoning | 13:04 | |
| qwerty12 | tank-man, manual is the default mode, where you don't really see the frame buffer, setting it to auto lets you use. | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | In auto, I can see kernel output and switch to terminal | 13:04 |
| qwerty12 | Like ctrl+alt+f1 in desktop linux | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | what does this framebuffer mod do? | 13:08 |
| tank-man | i see | 13:08 |
| tank-man | i think he means module | 13:08 |
| lcuk | ahhhhhhhhh | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk, http://youtube.com/?v=UlG7jnXUCTI - a shit youtube by me | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Watch from 19 seconds and you get the idea | 13:09 |
| lcuk | theres me thinking he had optimized the heck out of it! | 13:09 |
| lcuk | but thats still damned impressive | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, it isn't mine :p. It's all Fanoush's work. He actually got the FrameBuffer to show something :P | 13:10 |
| lcuk | you're focusing is terrible :P | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | It was done on a W810 with a really bad camera driver >.< :P | 13:10 |
| lcuk | its ok you could have done it on a n810 with a really bad camera <.> :P | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | Besides, it was 2AM :P | 13:11 |
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| qwerty12 | lol | 13:11 |
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| AStorm | hey | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | ello | 13:39 |
| AStorm | where can I get most OSS drivers etc. | 13:39 |
| AStorm | I've managed to build arm-pc-linux-gnu cross | 13:39 |
| AStorm | thus Gentoo on ARM awaits | 13:39 |
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| AStorm | afaics the cpu is arm1136jf-s | 13:40 |
| AStorm | with vfp | 13:40 |
| lcuk | is there a nice little list somewhere of the maemo specific files and folders and what each does? | 13:40 |
| lcuk | ie where to drop menu shortcuts etc | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | like desktop files? | 13:41 |
| lcuk | yer | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's mostly covered in the documentation on maemo.org | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | They go in /usr/share/applications/hildon. Let me dbl check. | 13:41 |
| AStorm | menu shortcuts go to /usr/share/Applications | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know of a any neat little lists, though. | 13:41 |
| AStorm | yup | 13:41 |
| lcuk | well i thought that | 13:41 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, better to put them in hildon subdirectory because then you don't need to restart to show the icon. | 13:42 |
| lcuk | lol - everywhere i nthe file sys except for etc | 13:42 |
| AStorm | mhm | 13:42 |
| lcuk | thx i think ill find the rest | 13:42 |
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| AStorm | I'd like some clear instructions about drivers and other soft | 13:44 |
| AStorm | wonder what's so special about xomap | 13:44 |
| kulve | xomap has e.g. the xv extension implemented | 13:45 |
| kulve | xorg runs on the device ok, but is missing xv | 13:46 |
| AStorm | mhm = slow video | 13:46 |
| qwerty12 | kulve, Is there any benefit to using xorg? | 13:46 |
| AStorm | s/using/using newer libs to build apps/ | 13:47 |
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| kulve | actually I'm more interested to find out what's the benefits on using kdrive base xomap instead of xorg (excluding the xv) | 13:47 |
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| kulve | AStorm: without xv there practically cannot be any video.. | 13:47 |
| AStorm | kulve: wrong | 13:48 |
| lcuk | unless you bang the hardware ;) | 13:48 |
| AStorm | Xv only accelerates scaling | 13:48 |
| qwerty12 | Eww, no thanks ;) | 13:48 |
| AStorm | the rest can go through X11shm just fine | 13:48 |
| lcuk | xv gives direct fb mapped memory | 13:48 |
| AStorm | yup | 13:48 |
| lcuk | yer that as wel | 13:48 |
| AStorm | but x11shm is good enough | 13:48 |
| kulve | AStorm: have you ever tried to play unscaled video with something else than xv using e.g. gstreamer (on something lowend like n8x0)? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | *BUFFERING* | 13:50 |
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| Ivanovic | moin | 13:51 |
| eliaz | does anyone know hwere I can find smbtree for 770? | 13:51 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: so have you tried the howto i mailed and did it work? | 13:51 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: not yet | 13:51 |
| Ivanovic | :( | 13:52 |
| AStorm | but now I have a real crossdev arm toolchain | 13:52 |
| AStorm | I'll try later today | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | Has anyone gotten application manager compiled from svn? I tried and "apt-worker.cc:347: error: expected `;' before '*' token | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | apt-worker.cc: In function `void cache_init(bool)': | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | etc" | 13:52 |
| AStorm | looks like compile error | 13:53 |
| MangoFusion | 0_0 | 13:53 |
| AStorm | probably easy | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah :(, but one guy said it compiled for him | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe my SB is messing up :( | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | can i specify a startin folder when running something from a desktop shortcut? | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | Not sure but you can start a script. Probably better solutions though. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | yer i know normally wont need it, its just a thought | 13:59 |
| lcuk | and you are right, it could be done via script. thats prob simplest for now | 13:59 |
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| AStorm | ok, I'd love to get info on building that wifi driver for newer kernel | 14:05 |
| AStorm | open(er) one | 14:05 |
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| eliaz | there's loads of libs missing when I've try to install canola2 | 14:16 |
| eliaz | efl-core | 14:16 |
| eliaz | python2.5-efl-core | 14:16 |
| eliaz | e.t.c | 14:16 |
| eliaz | does anyone know what repositorys are missing? where I can find them | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras? | 14:17 |
| eliaz | I'm basicly missing the ones listed here: | 14:18 |
| eliaz | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13017&page=23 | 14:18 |
| eliaz | but I thought it has to be a repository that has them | 14:18 |
| eliaz | starting to think the 770 is not really worth all the work | 14:19 |
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| crashanddie | AStorm, for the nexant wifi chipset ? | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | conexant, that is | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, hey man, you ever tried using the eclipse maemo integration ? | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | eliaz, gronmayer.com/it lists all the repositories | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and is searchable. | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras is the one that contains all that stuff. | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | ok, brb, I broke my X session | 14:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | eliaz, the 770 is old and unsupported. It takes a lot of work from developers to maintain support and a bit of effort from users to get all the way there. | 14:24 |
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| crashanddie | there, fixed | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | is there a way to pipe the sound easily when xtunneling (ssh) a program ? | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | ok, if you didn't understand that sentence, just reorganize the words 'till you get there | 14:26 |
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| MangoFusion | networked sound server perhaps? | 14:34 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: to the tablet? | 14:38 |
| pupnik | ssh can pipe through stuff on any port, so you just need a networked sound client/server | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, yeh | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 14:38 |
| pupnik | but i don't know of anything like that on the tablet | 14:38 |
| pupnik | can't remember if it's doable with esd | 14:39 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12106 cheapest BT mouse ive seen so far | 14:44 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: yupp, for the one in N810 | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, yeah, I'd like to look into that too, but the project is sortof dead... No updates since august 2007 | 14:52 |
| AStorm | crashanddie: esd is on the tablet | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, ya I'm reading on it | 14:52 |
| AStorm | I heard someone managed to get it quite running | 14:54 |
| AStorm | including rfmon | 14:54 |
| AStorm | as to GPIOs, new kernels (esp. OMAP branch) have these well done | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | works :) | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | I have sound over network :) | 15:00 |
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| eliaz | i have the extras repository but they're not there | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which OS version are you running? | 15:01 |
| eliaz | 2006 | 15:02 |
| eliaz | version 3.2006.49-2 | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You tried installing from here: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install.html ? | 15:03 |
| eliaz | yepp | 15:03 |
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| AStorm | ... I want that driver... | 15:04 |
| eliaz | might install the he and try it there instead | 15:07 |
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| keesj | crashanddie: look on maemopeople (I posted something about using esd , and somebody else looked at using .asoundrc to forward sound | 15:11 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what do you mean? | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | using eclopse in normal linux but with plugins for maemo? or actually running eclipse on 810 | 15:15 |
| * lcuk thinks second option would be a dog | 15:16 | |
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| lcuk | OUCH! searching google for maemopeople gave the following "suggestion": | 15:17 |
| lcuk | Did you mean: macpeople | 15:17 |
| jaska | haha | 15:17 |
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| crashanddie | keesj, nha it's all good, got it to work flawlessly :) | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | on the IT: sudo gainroot; killall esd; esd -tcp -public; on my desktop: sudo apt-get install esound esound-clients; esd && esdmon | esdcat -s ITIPADDRESS | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | then play sound using a esd-enabled media player | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | e.g.: mplayer -ao esd mysound.mp3 | 15:21 |
| pupnik | which is the source? tablet or pc? | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | PC | 15:21 |
| pupnik | that's very cool and someone should post it somewhere | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | I don't have an account on ITT | 15:21 |
| * lcuk doesn't either - i think i should rectify that now... | 15:22 | |
| crashanddie | Yeah, I'm going to too | 15:22 |
| * lcuk signs up to internettabletalk.com and discusses mahogany | 15:22 | |
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| crashanddie | bleh | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | way too many subforums | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | where the hell should I post that ? | 15:25 |
| lcuk | all of them :D | 15:25 |
| lcuk | i dunno really lol | 15:26 |
| keesj | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 | 15:26 |
| keesj | pff that was already one year ago................................... | 15:27 |
| lcuk | keesj, what a hack :D we have been looking for a way to play movies on desktop sat over the room but not need the volume up way high | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:27 |
| lcuk | (though didnt think to even attempt to use the tablet | 15:27 |
| lcuk | morning jaffa | 15:28 |
| Jaffa | Well, Sunday af'noon really | 15:28 |
| keesj | how is Mr Jaffa today? | 15:28 |
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| keesj | (besides late) | 15:28 |
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| * lcuk is gettin twitchy about linuxtag. need to hear if we are confirmed so i can tell boss | 15:29 | |
| crashanddie | keesj, well obviously either your google ranking sucks, because I've googled for 10 minutes and didn't find anything, + that is an IRC convo, not really end-user friendly | 15:30 |
| pupnik | not to mention out of pocket costs, presentation tech available | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | keesj, and so what if I want to just post it on ITT? Not really like you have copyright on that, and not a lot of people are aware of it, kthxbai | 15:30 |
| keesj | to old for google I guess | 15:30 |
| keesj | crashanddie: just do it. | 15:31 |
| keesj | I am not a forum community member (yet?) | 15:31 |
| Jaffa | keesj: Good thanks. Brushing up on my Python with some Freevo hackery | 15:32 |
| Ivanovic | short question: is there already a port of boost to the n810? | 15:32 |
| Ivanovic | to be more precise: i need boost-iostreams-dev (to compile wesnoth 1.4.1) | 15:33 |
| pupnik | i just have libboost-signals built | 15:33 |
| keesj | I still try to resit python :p | 15:34 |
| Ivanovic | so not directly in the tree :( | 15:34 |
| keesj | (but I do have python books already in house) | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, you will be supplied with a fresnel lens and are expected to use your own n8x0 for presenting to the audience | 15:36 |
| * Jaffa grins | 15:36 | |
| keesj | not a hd wirelss adapter? | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | "We'll only present if noBounds is released and available, and a presentation app released" | 15:37 |
| lcuk | nobounds is a flippin windows application | 15:37 |
| lcuk | damn good idea though | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | True. I'm guessing/hoping part of it is a direct driver over WLAN for some projectors, but not quite the same as TV out | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | "noBounds, or we're getting up on stage and signing the Song That Never Ends!" | 15:38 |
| * pupnik has own fresnel lens | 15:38 | |
| * Jaffa 's Sign Language ain't that good ;-) | 15:38 | |
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| pupnik | but there's not an easy way to do a presentation of a tablet | 15:39 |
| pupnik | maybe a hdtv cam hooked up to a projector? | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/signing/singing/ | 15:39 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: "noBounds, or we're getting up on stage and singing the Song That Never Ends!" | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just need one of those webcam projectors. | 15:40 |
| pupnik | i don't think nobounds could possibly work to show a game running at native speed | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Digital transparencies. | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: agreed | 15:40 |
| lcuk | pupnik, from a technical basis i believe the 2420 can output a proper tv oriented signal but the nokia isnt wired to allow it | 15:40 |
| keesj | pupnik: i guess web-based is the easy way | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hand out preloaded N810s like programs. :D | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | and pupnik, you forget vnc | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:41 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, PERFECT idea :D | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | ZeroConf/avahi-based web/VNC server | 15:41 |
| lcuk | im taking up a whole row of seats ;) | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | But then you've got another computer anyway, so might as well just take the presentation off the N810 as USB mass storage | 15:41 |
| keesj | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Shiny indeed | 15:42 |
| Ivanovic | pah, why not do it this way? http://vimeo.com/784138 | 15:42 |
| Ivanovic | okay,. it is some strange windos app, but maybe wine can help... | 15:43 |
| Ivanovic | ;) | 15:43 |
| lcuk | Ivanovic, look carefully at the nobounds big display and notice what is in the top right hand corner. if they are running that without a desktop machine i will eat my 810 | 15:43 |
| keesj | why not use a usb-serial adapter and aalib + full screen term? | 15:43 |
| Ivanovic | lcuk: i know that most of the stuff is faked | 15:43 |
| lcuk | not faked, just not quite what they say: afterall, it IS displayed on a big screen and the content DOES mirror whats happening on the 810, but its just not all being processed by the nokia | 15:44 |
| Ivanovic | facked as in "the n810 alone ain't enough"... | 15:44 |
| pupnik | right | 15:44 |
| pupnik | video-out would be a killer feature for N9x0 | 15:45 |
| lcuk | so the nobounds program MAY work really well, especially if the 2 sides are compiled from same source | 15:45 |
| keesj | like pdf? | 15:45 |
| keesj | anyway.... | 15:45 |
| lcuk | ie create a graphing module and compile on both sides and you see the cutdown version on 810 and full version on big screen | 15:45 |
| keesj | how about a usb adapter soldering event , or serial-dock distribution during linuxtag | 15:46 |
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| keesj | that at least is something that really requires IRL interaction | 15:46 |
| lcuk | i dont think i can get on a plane nowadays with a gas powered soldering iron | 15:46 |
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| keesj | or what about creating a big screen made up of community nokias | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | heh | 15:46 |
| lcuk | "Careful folks, thats nokia smoke - dont breath it in | 15:46 |
| Ivanovic | that would be an interesting project | 15:46 |
| keesj | lets say 4 times HD format | 15:47 |
| lcuk | keesj, that would be a wicked idea and i have pondered it myself | 15:47 |
| lcuk | but how would you control it | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | Broadcast UDP control of mplayer? | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | 4times HD = 7680p by 4240p | 15:48 |
| lcuk | bandwidth wouldnt work without seriously breaking up the movie beforehand | 15:48 |
| lcuk | each nokia registers its location and is sent its portion of the display beforehand | 15:48 |
| Ivanovic | lcuk: you would need a very powerfull server and would have to create *many* single streams | 15:48 |
| lcuk | then they keep in sync | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | so that's 10 ITs in width, and 9 in height, achievable | 15:48 |
| lcuk | ivan ^ | 15:48 |
| Ivanovic | single and small streams that is | 15:49 |
| AStorm | lcuk: syncing would be hard | 15:49 |
| lcuk | not really | 15:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | A document camera will probably end up being a decent choice. | 15:49 |
| lcuk | UDP: GO frame 97 | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | not really hard, in fact | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | yeah, UDP would be the way to go here | 15:49 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, we would need tilt for that properly | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | you'll need 90 ITs though | 15:50 |
| lcuk | quim could get them | 15:50 |
| lcuk | ;) | 15:50 |
| lcuk | and we could all share them out afterwards :D | 15:50 |
| AStorm | mad idea anyway | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | the shitty part is the fact you have about an inch and a half of space between each screen | 15:50 |
| AStorm | fixable by dissection | 15:51 |
| lcuk | im thinking it would be simple doing a rendered project using any number of nokias | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | LOL | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have them each do one pixel | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | with huge dot pitch | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, on pixel each ? That's a bit harsh | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | one** | 15:51 |
| keesj | some ascii art kind of stuff? | 15:51 |
| lcuk | like this book scroller - it would be entirely possible to make a massive version which scrolled up/down a stack of nokias in sync | 15:51 |
| lcuk | end credits | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would actually be kinda cool. | 15:51 |
| lcuk | Special thanks to Doris and her beaver | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much cooler than Nokia's wall-o'-N800s | 15:51 |
| keesj | that is pretty doable and very kwel | 15:51 |
| lcuk | it is actually | 15:52 |
| lcuk | i would like to see something done with all the 810 corner LEDs | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | airport runway lights | 15:53 |
| keesj | a sound pipe could also be fun (that every nokia records and sends data over the air) | 15:53 |
| lcuk | if we could get enough 810 users in a room we could have them hold em in the air and make plasma waves or something | 15:53 |
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| keesj | i guess a sound based thing would be best because it does not require real network | 15:54 |
| lcuk | first program i wrote for pc was a room monitor - it displays thumbnails (and selectable single display) of every computer in a classroom - so the teacher can see if they are surfing porn essentially, anyway - i wanted to use the mic from it and create a sound hall | 15:55 |
| pupnik | an echo where all pcs in a room act like reverberators? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | ok, supposing we did come up with something big and multi device. how would we make it easy to get on all machines - ie if the audience wants to get involved then could we make it simple for them to particiate? | 15:56 |
| keesj | yes , perhaps using fft to change the color based on the frequency | 15:56 |
| lcuk | shame the gps wont work properly inside | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | we could have it automatically picking up locations | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | it would be strange for a home user to connect and use a 3d interface to walk around the hall and see and hear what nokias around are seeing | 15:58 |
| keesj | bt? | 15:58 |
| lcuk | bt wont give location though - im thinking registering images and sounds from GPS locations and allowing a user on a desktop machine to interfactively walk around looking and listening | 16:00 |
| lcuk | but there isnt enough resolution - hang on, we could fake it | 16:00 |
| lcuk | you're right about bt - can we get at signal strength? | 16:00 |
| lcuk | put up a few bt nodes around the place with fixed locations then get software to monitor the strengths and triangulate | 16:00 |
| keesj | that might be to much work :) | 16:01 |
| lcuk | nahhh, half hour tops | 16:01 |
| lcuk | ;) | 16:01 |
| keesj | haha | 16:01 |
| keesj | I used to work for a company doing location based stuff for conferences. I really wished there would have been tablets back then | 16:02 |
| lcuk | ok, putting feet back on the ground, using a tiled n8x0 display for something, how would we register location in the stack | 16:02 |
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| jaska | the gps probably isnt sensitive enough for that :) | 16:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Space them really far apart and use the GPS. :P | 16:03 |
| keesj | I just enter my name in the bt name, and have a database of "interesting people" and my devices beeps when somebody Interesrting is nearby) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | lol - we are talking about a 4inch screen :P | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | keesj, you only need BT phones now for that | 16:03 |
| keesj | yes, that was the grand plan , have bt enabled small pc near a stand. but we used sms the most | 16:04 |
| keesj | (and WML) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | incidentally, who has more than one nokia to test any ideas about a wall? | 16:05 |
| * lcuk looks at GeneralAntilles | 16:05 | |
| keesj | but serioulsy , can we comme up with something like we disscussed and really do it? | 16:05 |
| keesj | lcuk: I have 3 | 16:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws one of his "1% of global tablet sales"-worth of tablets at lcuk. | 16:05 | |
| keesj | and I know where to find a few more | 16:06 |
| keesj | GeneralAntilles: counting the developers program devices ? | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've only got 3 here. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and semi-easy access to 1 more. | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of them were dev. | 16:07 |
| lcuk | hmmm keesj, im sure with enough will and determination anything is possible but i think we have other things we need to plan before we can actually code anything up (like a proper idea) | 16:08 |
| lcuk | im takin an eee with me as well and i think i am agile enough to code under pressure. hope others are as well. im gonna enjoy it there | 16:09 |
| keesj | I know it is weird. but I can also be a good thing to work towards something(have a goal) | 16:10 |
| lcuk | iwithout a goal you never finish | 16:10 |
| MangoFusion | i keep contemplating getting an eee | 16:10 |
| lcuk | i need something to take with me to a linux conference and the eee is most logical solution | 16:11 |
| MangoFusion | then i remember my tablet is just as good ;) | 16:11 |
| keesj | I mean , I did not check the itt forums but what ideas are there around maemo hacking/ meeting at linuxtag? | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing on ITT. | 16:11 |
| flo_lap | But sounds like a good idea | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, did you see your wiki entry, lcuk? :D | 16:12 |
| lcuk | ???? aka lcuk - n00b & #maemo status (waiting confirmation) | 16:12 |
| lcuk | that one? | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 16:12 |
| lcuk | from my mail: I notice on the wiki page you have a little of my details, but firstly I would like to accept your offer. | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | lol | 16:13 |
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| crashanddie | I'm creating the real size image of the 90 ITs wall | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | :D | 16:14 |
| lcuk | link to pic? | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | size in ram: 2.5GB | 16:14 |
| lcuk | on your NIT? | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | hang on, not done yet | 16:14 |
| lcuk | no, the small one | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah right :p no, on my laptop | 16:14 |
| keesj | I have some other very weird idea...... | 16:16 |
| lcuk | throw it out here then - see if it sticks | 16:16 |
| lcuk | discussion breeds applications :) | 16:16 |
| keesj | put a beamer/ light source a few meters away from the talbet wall, use the webcam to look at the brightness and display that on the nokia | 16:17 |
| keesj | like a wall of memories | 16:17 |
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| lcuk | so make the brightness of the nokias the same as the brightness of the torchlight - or when torchlight is bright display image brighter ? | 16:20 |
| lcuk | im thinking though this wall of nokias would be good for a single instance, but doesnt show something that people can play with properly at home | 16:21 |
| * lcuk wants participation | 16:21 | |
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| lcuk | maybe if we did a simple drawing program hooked up to a bigger pc and each person draws their own tile | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | that way as more people login to the network we can have a display of live scratchpads from everyone | 16:23 |
| lcuk | could even be viewable by people not in the building :) | 16:23 |
| keesj | I guess it would be easyer to to something with sound or webcam and not a wall so it is more organic | 16:24 |
| lcuk | would be more practical to plan and test as well - especially since if its network related it can be done between any of us in the world | 16:24 |
| keesj | I mean having people really hold a device in hand and seeing something happen in the crowd it really something that will be awsome IMHO | 16:24 |
| lcuk | i would like to merge the feeds from different cameras and build the 3d scene - like the microsoft photo thing | 16:25 |
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| keesj | I don't know that. is it like taking a picture and pasting it at the right place? | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie | My brother in law is a DJ | 16:26 |
| lcuk | extrapolating the 3d information from ultiple viewpoints of the same information - like a sequence of shots around a building | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | and one of the things that makes people go wild | 16:26 |
| lcuk | is beer | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | Is when he uses a directional hi-gain mic in order to capture what some bloke/gal is saying, and then mix it live in the track | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | I guess the same would apply with geeks | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | give 'em the ability to draw something on the big board behind the guy who's talking, and people go wild | 16:28 |
| lcuk | yes, let people login and type from their NIT | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | ouch, swapping hard | 16:29 |
| lcuk | just keep a display running with recent/active sketches | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | and log who said what | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | so you kick the flambaiter out | 16:29 |
| keesj | yes, so very simple would be to capture an image and send it over (using bt?), but that does not really feel very tablet like | 16:29 |
| lcuk | unless engadget are there there shouldnt be too much hassle | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | not BT | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | bt wouldn't be wide enough | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | and waaay too slow | 16:30 |
| lcuk | it would be nice to have our own adhoc lan built up of NIT nodes | 16:30 |
| keesj | lcuk: messed network yes, that would be great in such situations | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | yup | 16:31 |
| lcuk | but again, that works with any wifi boxes | 16:31 |
| lcuk | i think the sketching is simple enough to be doable - and if it looked/felt like the nobounds thing would surprise people | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | <3 working with 100k pixel images | 16:32 |
| lcuk | nobounds - with extra features for handling multiple clients | 16:33 |
| lcuk | hell - even use the wall idea and allow putting multiple devices together for a bigger drawing area | 16:33 |
| lcuk | whos running windows at home and whos running linux | 16:34 |
| keesj | the really easy thing is to use the motion package and let people use a laser light to write things on the wall | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | not really, unless the camera was pointing on a blank wall to detect the dot you wouldnt tell where it was | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | if you just point a camera out at the audience and someone shines a laser on it, the camera would just pick up a dot where the person was sitting | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | they couldnt draw things etc | 16:37 |
| keesj | if you point 90 cameras that would work right? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | i do think the camera would be good with an IR led strapped to my finger and moving over the top of the tablet | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | yer but only at 1/90 pixel resolution, not really effective | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | if it was just a blank wall and a spot and one camera it would be higher resolution | 16:39 |
| keesj | yes you are right , so still no good idea , the scroller is still nice right? | 16:40 |
| lcuk | yes, and relatively simple if it just knows where in the stack it is | 16:40 |
| lcuk | i also like the idea of giving audience members a pen and a display | 16:40 |
| lcuk | we can wow them with nobounds-homebrew edition and then let them login to play themselves | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | its in my mind for sharing the canvas anyway - so if one end is a bigbox server it is practically the same | 16:41 |
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| crashanddie | http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/292/n810wallsmalltv5.jpg | 16:43 |
| keesj | crashanddie: wow | 16:43 |
| lcuk | lol crashanddie would have been better showing the right bit of the map on each one | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, YEAH RIGHT | 16:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, Like I'm going to capture 90 images xD | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | B- | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough effort | 16:44 |
| lcuk | those are images? i thought you had spent your time stacking them up :P | 16:44 |
| keesj | just put one picture behind and paste the n810 with nothing on the screen | 16:44 |
| MangoFusion | only n810's? the shame! | 16:44 |
| lcuk | lol shhh keesj ;) | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | keesj, thought about it | 16:44 |
| crashanddie | keesj, but that would mean a pretty hardcore loss of pixels (borders) | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | the "big" wall is 10Megs :D | 16:45 |
| lcuk | have you not heard of a hacksaw? borderless n810 FTW (and also even less keys to type on) | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, better buy a 102" HDTV | 16:46 |
| lcuk | what and hack the border of that? are you mad? :P | 16:46 |
| * Ivanovic volunteers for being mad | 16:47 | |
| lcuk | right, time to depart for a while. there is only so much mario & sonic that i can put up with (coming from downstairs) | 16:48 |
| keesj | hmmm | 16:48 |
| keesj | :P | 16:49 |
| lcuk | keesj, ill keep this scroller in mind the next couple of days ill let you know if its workable with a bit of testing | 16:49 |
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| keesj | thanks, | 16:49 |
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| keesj | I will try to compose yet an other mail to the mainling list, hoping SOMEBODY, ANYBODY will answer this time | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | which list are people ignoring? | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | http://dl.free.fr/iaRMf8Yki/n810wall.jpg | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | btw, if you need a good filehost: http://dl.free.fr | 16:53 |
| lcuk | microsoft picture viewer is gonna have a shitfit isnt it | 16:53 |
| lcuk | *OMG* LINUX PICTURE *ABORT*ABORT* | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | 1GB file limit (web interface), or 10GB size limit if using FTP, the file stays up for 30 days starting from the last download | 16:53 |
| keesj | about linuxtag related activities or ideas | 16:54 |
| lcuk | wheres the list | 16:54 |
| keesj | the developers list | 16:54 |
| lcuk | since i are n00b could you give me a link so i could sign up ? | 16:55 |
| keesj | I sent this mail aobut a week ago http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/35816 | 16:55 |
| keesj | hmm maemo.org home page also looks nice today | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | keesj, yeah, that strack trace is pretty nice I admit | 16:57 |
| keesj | http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | btw, any new word about Android on the n8x0 ? | 16:58 |
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| crashanddie | bbl | 16:58 |
| lcuk | ditto | 16:59 |
| timelyx | crashanddie: yeah, i like the stack trace on the front page | 16:59 |
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| Jaffa | timelyx: long time no see! | 17:06 |
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| keesj | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2008/04/13/linuxtagmaemofun | 17:35 |
| keesj | feel free to add ideas .. | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | keesj, i take it you are going? forgive my lack of knowledge but who are you on the list? | 17:43 |
| lcuk | tis ok i see you now | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | Gah, Firefox's crashed. Damned flash | 17:45 |
| Navi | woo | 17:46 |
| Navi | flash </3 | 17:46 |
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| crashanddie | 50Gigs of mp3 on my n810 :D | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | External HD? | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | nope | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | NFS? | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | not directly :) | 17:48 |
| Navi | streaming music from your desktop? | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059 | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | yup | 17:48 |
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| crashanddie | erhm | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | stupid question | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | but where does the Images/Documents etc on the Internal card map to ? | 17:59 |
| WormFood | I don't even understand the question | 18:00 |
| WormFood | you mean where is it in the directory structure? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | yeh | 18:00 |
| WormFood | look in /media/mmc2 | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | nope | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I shouldn't have said it like that | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | /home/user/MyDocs ? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, I got nothing in there :/ | 18:01 |
| b0unc3 | /home/user/MyDocs/.something | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | ah, thanks :) | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, ls -la it. | 18:01 |
| Navi | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | thanks :) | 18:02 |
| WormFood | both cards...internal and external are in /media | 18:02 |
| WormFood | you mean internal memory | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | yeh, sorry :) Got it | 18:02 |
| WormFood | I was right, your question was wrong :P | 18:02 |
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| crashanddie | WormFood, :P | 18:03 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone know where to get "libossohelp" from? | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | keesj/lcuk: another idea would be a network implementation of WWBounce from: http://www.jaffasoft.co.uk/download/index.html - bouncing ball between processes | 18:07 |
| lcuk | jaffa - make a tablehockey thing and let interactive user push it ;) | 18:09 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12, didn't libosso change to libhildon ? | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, so you would be looking for libhildonhelp | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, I think you are right, thanks :) | 18:10 |
| qwerty12 | I must be trying to compile wrong ver. | 18:10 |
| keesj | Jaffa: going for a walk , perhaps that fresh air might bring some clever things | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: oooh yes, bouncing ball(s) with interaction on the touchscreen (for obstacles possibly) | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | btw, just a question | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | Touch the screen and your finger bounces off it | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | s/your finger bounces off it/the ball bounces off your finger/ | 18:11 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Touch the screen and the ball bounces off your finger | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to move to the UK, any pointers to a nice job I should apply to ? | 18:11 |
| lcuk | yer push it to other people - or using the wall principle push it to the next screen | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: what can you do? ;-) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | minister of internet tablets | 18:12 |
| * Jaffa 's employer is always recruiting nice, well rounded people to rip financial companies off | 18:12 | |
| lcuk | numptyphysics on a whole wall ;) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | watch a cascade through many nokias | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, I'm a pretty good C/C++/PHP coder, I have extended knowledge of databases [mysql/pgsql], Linuces and unices (especially in server environment). I've been developing applications for the University of Perpignan as a freelance coder | 18:13 |
| lcuk | or just keep it simple and do the ball thing | 18:13 |
| crashanddie | As well as setting up their network and servers, and coming in at impossible hours when they had problems | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: wouldn't have thought you'd have a problem getting the job. Plenty of rich places in London need those sort of skills internally. Alternatively, self-employed consultant | 18:13 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, there are many positions available in many fields (as there prob are in your country) but to work legally you need work permit i believe | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah I know, but I'm working on all that, I've been picking up contact with the UK embassy here in France in order to start the process going | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | if you are already working in a university environment, it might be an idea to contact uk based universities | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | hmm, yeah, indeed | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Should be relatively easy if you're an EU citizen | 18:16 |
| lcuk | it may be beneficial to speak to your contacts at the uni where you are coding - remember, its not what you know its who you know | 18:16 |
| lcuk | if you can get a foot in the door because of a mention from someone at your current uni talking to one of his english mates you stand a good chance | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah I know that, I've gotten most of my contracts because I was highly recommended :P | 18:17 |
| lcuk | exactly :) | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | funny though, getting these awesome jobs as a student, when most of my friends are doing dishes on friday evening :P | 18:18 |
| lcuk | i went to college for a small night course and ended up working there for over a year :) | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | Ideally, I'd love to find something in Cardiff, I have a flat opening in August :D | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | ...and handy for watching Doctor Who/Torchwood being filmed | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | Cardiff? Come to East London where ppl get stabbed and gangs and grime | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | yeh, guess I'll have to camp on roald dall place :D | 18:20 |
| lcuk | east london? you wanna try living in manchester | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | our criminals are clean and not grimey at all | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Meh, I moved down from Halifax :P | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | I have a friend who recommended Manchester... But manchester is f'd up because of the flights (if I need to get back home for something) | 18:21 |
| lcuk | where are you now? | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | southern france :( | 18:21 |
| lcuk | better manchester than heathrow t5 | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | well no, that's what I meant | 18:22 |
| lcuk | cant you fly to spain and jump out half way? dont they let you do that nowadays? | 18:22 |
| termsig | liverpool it's much better. | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | Cardiff is far enough so I can say "C'mon mom, do you know how long it takes to get back home ? Plus, it's only my sister's wedding, not something really important" | 18:22 |
| * lcuk tells crashanddie's mum about vnc | 18:23 | |
| crashanddie | My mom still asks me where the "Start" button is on her Mac | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone | 18:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, before you go | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah ? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | howheres the start button on my n810? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | :P | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | :D | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, ask GA | 18:26 |
| lcuk | right, off as well - gonna get venture capitalist funding for an eee ;) | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | keesj, i mentioned in the past about wanting proper multiplayer games on maemo, the ball and tablehockey game idea might be simple and effective enough to make it worthewhile | 18:28 |
| lcuk | but im gone now | 18:28 |
| lcuk | ^jaffa i maent | 18:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Navi, Mind if I ask you a question? Which file did you modify in the rss reader to give you a smaller vertical width? Thanks. | 18:41 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm... this video cast site geekbrief has a downlaod button for n8x0 | 18:41 |
| Cptnodegard | too bad its a chick on speed talking faster than an overclocked parrot | 18:41 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 18:42 |
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| Ziegler | No cli ftp on the n810? | 18:48 |
| Ziegler | I have sftp... but the server i am trying to access has no sshd. | 18:49 |
| Ziegler | Any recomendations? | 18:50 |
| mikedep333 | hey, is there a graphical SFTP client for OS2008? | 18:58 |
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| Ziegler | Ya | 18:59 |
| Ziegler | Maemoftp | 18:59 |
| Ziegler | I think | 18:59 |
| Ziegler | Wait no | 19:00 |
| Ziegler | Thats only ftp | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | Ziegler, http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ncftp.gz - ncftp. No idea what ncftp is though. | 19:00 |
| derf | It's a command-line client. | 19:01 |
| solmumaha | it's also possible to mount a server using sshfs and then use the file manager | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Is repository.maemo.org down for anyone? | 19:01 |
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| Ziegler | Danke | 19:02 |
| Ziegler | I would love to use ssh... But the server does not have that running | 19:03 |
| Ziegler | Ncftp it is! | 19:03 |
| Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-disco/ not available?????????? :( is it really good and can i louder my volume? | 19:06 |
| Ziegler | Dont know if its down, but connection is slow | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance, adv-backlight replaced that for OS2008. And you cannot make the volume louder. | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Ziegler, thanks. Its not working for me | 19:07 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 tnx i tested it before | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Anyone tell me the command to create a deb if you have the debian directory present? | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks. | 19:11 |
| inz | Depends | 19:13 |
| inz | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is one option | 19:13 |
| inz | fakeroot debian/rules binary is another | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot worked for me :) | 19:13 |
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| Italodance | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bfriendfinder/ nice new app :D | 19:16 |
| Italodance | but not deb ????? | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't need to be. It seems to be already compiled. | 19:17 |
| Italodance | yes | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | Anyone know where to get osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-mr0? Google doesn't seem to be telling me much. | 19:19 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, thanks but it's just a list. It doesn't matter, I went and edited configure to remove the dependency. | 19:23 |
| Italodance | http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.2.31-1.tar.gz ??? | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Ah ,thanks, could be useful :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't matter, I solved it :) | 19:25 |
| Italodance | :D | 19:25 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 also use there http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src :D | 19:26 |
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| qwerty12 | Italodance, interesting but those are for OS2006. | 19:26 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 ah :( | 19:27 |
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| crashanddie | Bad idea to put the binaries with the source code | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | There is a packaging system, plus a great repo, sometimes I wonder why people don't even bother | 19:29 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 try this maybe help u : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-rss-feed-reader/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.4.42-1.tar.gz | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | World, the time has come to ! [push the button] | 19:32 |
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| Italodance | ummm is it good ? Miss.USA.2008.PDTV.XviD-XOR :p | 19:33 |
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| Navi | qwerty12, it's just a metapackage | 19:38 |
| Navi | you won't be able to find it | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Already done it ;) | 19:38 |
| Navi | Oh, cool. | 19:38 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 cool | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | I've managed to compile a lib but I'm unsure on the values you changed :) | 19:38 |
| Navi | Um | 19:39 |
| Navi | applet.h | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Got that far, but I keep making the applet bigger >.< | 19:39 |
| Navi | lol | 19:39 |
| Navi | well, for whatever reason | 19:39 |
| Navi | nevermind | 19:39 |
| Navi | #define HEADLINE_HEIGHT 25 | 19:40 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks :) | 19:40 |
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| Navi | If you make it smaller, scrolling becomes borkened | 19:40 |
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| Navi | which is why I didn't release the .deb; it needs work that I"m too lazy to do | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | I see what you mean about debs though. It's a bitch the way this was packaged >.<. | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Getting the lib was a nightmare | 19:41 |
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| Navi | the lib was okay, I just forced the install with no dependency checking | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | I managed to install that but configure still complained so I had to edit that too | 19:41 |
| Navi | that metapackage is just locale stuff, iirc | 19:42 |
| Navi | so it wasn't important for compilin | 19:42 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, thanks for the help! I'm off to try it out. | 19:42 |
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| Navi | mmk | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | It's an unhealthy obsession for me, anything that I have, that can be modded, I will do so lol. | 19:43 |
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| Navi | Ha | 19:44 |
| Navi | if (visible_rect->y % (HEADLINE_HEIGHT + rss_appl_inf->space_between_rows) == 0) <- stops the scroll prematurely | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | compiling/creating .debs by removing the dependencies is bad | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | :P | 19:45 |
| lcuk | its not bad, its just confusing :P | 19:45 |
| Navi | crashanddie, I didn't remove it from the .deb, I just forced the install | 19:45 |
| Navi | on scratchbox | 19:45 |
| Navi | not on the tablet | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 19:46 |
| Navi | and it's a lib that should have already been installed anyways | 19:46 |
| * Navi shrugs | 19:46 | |
| crashanddie | then just add the correct repos and apt-get install it | 19:46 |
| Navi | apt-cache search couldn't find it | 19:46 |
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| Navi | I have the same repository list on my tablet | 19:47 |
| Navi | so it confuses me why it's not showing up | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | talking 'bout search, I might port aptitude | 19:47 |
| thux | does screen work for user in os2008? mine doesn't complaints about permissions | 19:47 |
| Navi | I think someone tried doing that before | 19:47 |
| qwerty12 | I tried aptitude to no avail too. But I cant program anyway. | 19:48 |
| Ziegler | Been playing with kismet.... The xml files are easier to parse than the gps for making gpx files for mapper | 19:48 |
| Ziegler | More info touse | 19:48 |
| Ziegler | To - use | 19:49 |
| Navi | anyways | 19:49 |
| Navi | I bugged the mmpc maintainer | 19:49 |
| Ziegler | Oh soory to interupt the closed chat | 19:50 |
| lcuk | is BT networking much slower than wifi, and does it consume less battery? | 19:50 |
| Navi | Ziegler, I think that chat was done | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, Quick quick plea for help, I set headline_height to 25 but I get this http://i27.tinypic.com/2dvuxu.png . Do I need a lot of feeds? | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, BT is waaay slower | 19:50 |
| Navi | mmpc was updated | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, at best 120kB/s on BT | 19:51 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, im not after serious traffic - just test files and ssh sessions | 19:51 |
| glass | crashanddie: for web browsing etc there is not much difference | 19:51 |
| Navi | O_o | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | well | 19:51 |
| Navi | qwerty12, did you change anything else? | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | No, the rest is still the same. I'll try again. Thanks. | 19:51 |
| lcuk | its just the wifi on this burns serious calaries - its an adhoc which i believe is more of a drain | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | compare ~2MB/s on wifi and 120kB/s on BT, take your pick | 19:52 |
| Navi | qwerty12, what was the original value, btw? | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | 70 something. I just went and deleted, I'll check again in a sec | 19:52 |
| lcuk | fair enough, right next question - is it simple and will i blow my config up if i try it | 19:52 |
| koyote | yah, but the BT speeds are still faster than my phone's connection, so it's not a loss | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | koyote, heh | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Navi, 72 | 19:53 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | why is it people always want me to go eat at their place when I have a shitload of work | 19:53 |
| Navi | crashanddie, they hate you :D | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | Navi, bastards | 19:53 |
| Navi | srsly | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | Heh | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | well, cuz I'm an ass | 19:54 |
| Navi | XD | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | I won't even take a bottle of wine | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone, have a nice one | 19:54 |
| Navi | bye, you too | 19:54 |
| lcuk | there is a livecd of wine if you wanna take something different ;) | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | bye | 19:54 |
| lcuk | cya later crashanddie | 19:54 |
| Navi | Heh | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | better yet, Wine through USB | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | USB Wine, download wine straight from the vineyards ! | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRL1SeTJ1rk | 19:55 |
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| Navi | Anyone know why the volume gets bumped down whenever you plug in something to the headphone jack? | 19:55 |
| Ziegler | Never noticed | 19:56 |
| lcuk | navi, press the button on the headphones (Nokia original) | 19:56 |
| Ziegler | Trying it | 19:56 |
| lcuk | see if it goes louder | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | Same here, all I notice is that GLIB & Kernel recieves an event | 19:56 |
| Ziegler | What program... Or does it matter? | 19:56 |
| Navi | just the max volume | 19:56 |
| Ziegler | Ok | 19:56 |
| Ziegler | Heh... Sure enough | 19:57 |
| Ziegler | About | 19:57 |
| Ziegler | 20% Reduction | 19:57 |
| Navi | You can bump it back up, but it's annoying to do so | 19:58 |
| Navi | It goes from ear-blasting to can't-hear-in-a-loud-room | 19:58 |
| Ziegler | Ya | 19:58 |
| lcuk | but ear blasting without headphones to bursting your eardrums | 19:58 |
| Navi | totally fine with that | 19:59 |
| Navi | ;) | 19:59 |
| lcuk | my old car: when i turned ignition on the radio would always come back at a max vol 10 no matter how loud i had it before | 19:59 |
| Navi | Yeah, I see why they put it in | 19:59 |
| Ziegler | Seems like a bit of amplification reduc with headphones in | 19:59 |
| Navi | but it needs a toggle | 19:59 |
| Ziegler | Besides just the volume turning down | 19:59 |
| lcuk | user configurable option would be best yes | 19:59 |
| Navi | Heh | 20:00 |
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| Navi | restarting the N800 is so battery-drainy | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | its not draining battery faster, its the battery icon gets refreshed. it was low before you rebooted :P | 20:00 |
| Navi | Nah | 20:00 |
| Navi | it was fully charged before I rebooted. | 20:00 |
| Navi | I rebooted a few times and I'm at 1 hour left | 20:01 |
| lcuk | on the 810 i notice it stays up high for ages but if i reboot it normally drops a ocuple of bars | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i mean, you might be right | 20:01 |
| lcuk | oooooer | 20:01 |
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| Navi | lcuk, it's funny though | 20:03 |
| Navi | the statusbar applet icon doesn't decrease until I have less than an hour left :) | 20:03 |
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| Ziegler | Is diablo available to test? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | im seriously considering modding my cradle to hold a full large rechargable pack (8-12AAs) and just keep those charged | 20:04 |
| Navi | Ziegler, closed testing | 20:04 |
| Navi | lcuk, sexy. | 20:04 |
| Ziegler | Eta for public? | 20:04 |
| Navi | Beats me | 20:05 |
| lcuk | well it sits in there 99% of the time but most days i end up tethered | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | My N800's boot is so slow and now the hildon-desktop isn't showing :(. Guess I'll have to reflash again. 2nd time in 1 day. | 20:05 |
| lcuk | i would liek to charge overnight and use for the entire day | 20:05 |
| Navi | qwerty12, :/ | 20:05 |
| Navi | qwerty12, do you just want the deb I whipped up? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, then please :) | 20:06 |
| lcuk | that reminds me - i need to take a backup of my NIT | 20:06 |
| Ziegler | Any of you tighten up the slide on your n810? | 20:06 |
| * Navi sort of wishes he had an N810 | 20:06 | |
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| lcuk | hey - i got the gps connected the other night! | 20:07 |
| lcuk | and it stayed connected for long enough to play with it! | 20:07 |
| Navi | lol | 20:07 |
| Navi | I wouldn't get it for the GPS :| | 20:07 |
| lcuk | shame it was about 50 metres behind me - the little woman would have gotten frustrated keep telling me 50 metres to go, then to turn round cos i missed it | 20:07 |
| Navi | Just the smaller form factor and keyboard would be nice | 20:07 |
| Navi | haha | 20:08 |
| Navi | poor lcuk | 20:08 |
| Ziegler | My gps works fine | 20:08 |
| lcuk | i should have closed all the apps i was playing with earlier that night for a better experience | 20:08 |
| Navi | How long does it take to get a fix for you? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | it didnt lag last time i connected | 20:08 |
| Ziegler | Initial fix is uner a miunte or two most days | 20:09 |
| lcuk | ill tell you now - its 18:09 and im gonna put it near window.. | 20:09 |
| Ziegler | Acuraccy is similar to a tomtom | 20:09 |
| Navi | Really? That's a drastically different number :P | 20:09 |
| Ziegler | Ya | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | now, its not been rebooted since last connection so i am hoping for quickness | 20:10 |
| Ziegler | Russia? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | its accurate allright, but its that first fix thats the killer | 20:10 |
| Ziegler | Wait... Thats to far | 20:10 |
| Navi | qwerty12, is it okay that there are only 11 feeds displayed? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah sure :) | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | I only keep the BBC on there come think of it. | 20:11 |
| Navi | 'cuz that's the maximum you can display with the thing stretched all the way out | 20:11 |
| Ziegler | Honestly i read alot about poor fix times on the n810 ... But indoors its similar to all other standalone devices 8 have played with | 20:12 |
| Ziegler | I* | 20:12 |
| Navi | gah | 20:12 |
| Navi | it's a pain to resize widgets | 20:12 |
| lcuk | right, still not connected, it can see 4 sats on the graph but not very high, it normally sits like this for hours on end. if i move it fractionally it will drop to 2. | 20:12 |
| Navi | s/widgets/applets/ | 20:12 |
| infobot | Navi meant: it's a pain to resize applets | 20:12 |
| Ziegler | Lcuik... Wow thats horried... Its never been longer than 5 minutes for me to fix | 20:13 |
| lcuk | i wonder if the difference between 810 and standalone is the reboot - most small gps nodes are always on arent they | 20:13 |
| lcuk | down to 3 now | 20:14 |
| lcuk | not touched it | 20:14 |
| Ziegler | Might just be your location | 20:14 |
| lcuk | entire city? wherever i have tried it i have had similar issues | 20:14 |
| Navi | qwerty12, http://www.xenf.net/osso-rss-feed-reader-applet_1.4.46-0_armel.deb | 20:15 |
| Ziegler | What country? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i will take it up onto the moors and sit it ontop of the car next time i am up there | 20:15 |
| lcuk | england | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | I miss the North :( | 20:15 |
| lcuk | my missus said that the gps must be busy :D | 20:15 |
| Ziegler | Im indoors right now, an I just connected | 20:15 |
| lcuk | :O holy mother of god - it connected | 20:15 |
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| Ziegler | Lol | 20:15 |
| Navi | lcuk, success! | 20:16 |
| Navi | \o/ | 20:16 |
| Ziegler | Time? | 20:16 |
| lcuk | 6 minutes. but as noted i had spent time connecting previously and havent rebooted since | 20:16 |
| Ziegler | Meh... Sounds like voodo to me | 20:16 |
| lcuk | (the other night it connected sometime during the course of a poker game - i left it on the window) | 20:17 |
| Ziegler | In my car < 3 minutes even on a rainy day | 20:17 |
| lcuk | ill monitor the situation. infact. now i am on a roll im gonna test something... im popping the battery | 20:17 |
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| qwerty12 | Yep, my N800 is going under the reflash. Not sure what I am more pissed of at, reflashing again after I did so yesterday or reinstalling my apps. | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Bye all, gtg | 20:19 |
| lcuk | right, its 18:20 | 20:20 |
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| Navi | Heh | 20:21 |
| Navi | Sucks for him. | 20:21 |
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| Ziegler | I am debating on attempting to tighten up the n810 slide... But dont know if i am ready yet. Its only 2 weeks old. | 20:21 |
| Ziegler | There really isnt an easy way to backup apps is ther? | 20:22 |
| Ziegler | There* | 20:22 |
| Navi | Nah | 20:22 |
| Navi | I just tar the fs as a backup | 20:22 |
| Ziegler | Diablo is supposed to fix that ya? | 20:22 |
| Ziegler | Updates without a flash? | 20:23 |
| Navi | How so? | 20:23 |
| Ziegler | Let me see if I can find that link | 20:23 |
| Navi | Yeah, over the air updates | 20:26 |
| Navi | qwerty borked his system though | 20:26 |
| Navi | so reflashing's the easiest way out | 20:26 |
| Ziegler | So it is possible... Just doesnt work yet | 20:27 |
| Navi | Over the air updates? | 20:27 |
| Ziegler | ya | 20:27 |
| lcuk | incrimental updates are better anyway - people are fed up with full flash to change | 20:27 |
| Navi | It's a feature for diablo | 20:27 |
| lcuk | plus it will become easier for nokia to give smaller updates | 20:27 |
| Navi | lcuk, agreed | 20:27 |
| lcuk | obviously they can't/shouldnt get rid of the full flash but thats only for complete reformat | 20:28 |
| b0unc3 | http://pastebin.ca/983821 someone can help me pls ? | 20:28 |
| Ziegler | Incremental over the air updates availible with next os update is what I read. I assume that meant diablo | 20:28 |
| Navi | yeah | 20:29 |
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| Navi | b0unc3, pretty weird there | 20:29 |
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| Ziegler | I had a simmilar problem | 20:30 |
| lcuk | 10 minutes!!! | 20:30 |
| Ziegler | This An n810? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | from cold reboot | 20:30 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:31 |
| b0unc3 | Ziegler: no, 770 | 20:31 |
| lcuk | thats the best ive had it - i have found a sweet spot :D | 20:31 |
| Ziegler | Oh | 20:31 |
| Ziegler | My problem had to do with a poor memory mis-format | 20:31 |
| * lcuk stops moaning about gps | 20:32 | |
| Ziegler | I backed everything up and re-formated the mem | 20:32 |
| Ziegler | All was good after that | 20:32 |
| Ziegler | Dont know if that helps you | 20:33 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... if I mount it on my laptop the problem persists... strange... | 20:34 |
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| Ziegler | Can u reformat it from th770? | 20:35 |
| b0unc3 | yes | 20:36 |
| Ziegler | Does os2008 run on the 770? | 20:36 |
| b0unc3 | maybe no... I use OS2006... | 20:37 |
| Ziegler | I was just currious | 20:38 |
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| Navi | OS2008HE | 20:47 |
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| Ziegler | Oh right | 20:48 |
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| Navi | Hrm | 20:53 |
| Navi | I really like the black keyboard in hendrika | 20:54 |
| Navi | Wonder if I can swap out the button images for nuvoclear | 20:54 |
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| UserID10T | Who here recently purchased an n800? | 20:59 |
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| Ziegler | n810 here a couple weeks ago... But almost did the n800 | 21:01 |
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| Italodance | UserID10T me ???? | 21:02 |
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| mikedep333 | I just purchased an N800 | 21:03 |
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| UserID10T | Congrats mikedep333 | 21:08 |
| UserID10T | You already have yours? | 21:08 |
| UserID10T | Mine is about to be shipped. | 21:09 |
| UserID10T | Congrats, Ziegler and Italodance too. | 21:09 |
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| UserID10T | I was talking with someone in IM, sorry about the disappearance. | 21:09 |
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| mikedep333 | yeah, I received it on wednesday | 21:14 |
| UserID10T | Got it all tricked out yet? | 21:14 |
| mikedep333 | mostly | 21:14 |
| mikedep333 | still struggling with some things | 21:14 |
| mikedep333 | like email | 21:14 |
| UserID10T | I had purched a Helio Ocean for mobile device use, but it is so buggy... | 21:14 |
| mikedep333 | but I think thats a problem with another email client acccessing the same mailbox | 21:14 |
| UserID10T | My yahoo doesn't want to connect, it lags and freezes up... | 21:14 |
| UserID10T | Another client on the n800 or on another system? | 21:15 |
| mikedep333 | I think a client on another system is downloading all the messages off gmail permanently | 21:15 |
| UserID10T | Weak. | 21:15 |
| mikedep333 | causing my n800 to never be able to download them | 21:15 |
| mikedep333 | but I'm looking into it | 21:15 |
| UserID10T | But gmail's client should still handle the emails web based right? | 21:16 |
| UserID10T | So it should still catch them on multiple clients. | 21:16 |
| mikedep333 | I'm sure i can use the gmail web interface, yeah | 21:16 |
| UserID10T | Cause if you go to gmail.com you can see them right? | 21:16 |
| UserID10T | Well the client software shouldn't access a database other than gmail.com's right? | 21:16 |
| UserID10T | So multi-access COULDN'T be the problem... | 21:17 |
| UserID10T | Am I wrong? | 21:17 |
| mikedep333 | I'll look into it later | 21:17 |
| UserID10T | I don't know linux, and I am not a fan of pop, smtp or other servers. | 21:18 |
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| UserID10T | Oh Mike, on the n800 from what I can see on maemo.org, you can download and install directly onto the system via wifi or usb. Is that right? | 21:20 |
| UserID10T | Or does the .install have to be sent from the PC? | 21:20 |
| mikedep333 | from what I understand | 21:20 |
| mikedep333 | and have done | 21:20 |
| UserID10T | Like...using shell. | 21:20 |
| mikedep333 | the usb is only for upgrading from OS2007 to 2008 | 21:20 |
| mikedep333 | once that is installed | 21:21 |
| mikedep333 | you install everything over wi-fi | 21:21 |
| mikedep333 | you add repositories, install packages from repositories, and install deb packages over the web or whatever | 21:21 |
| mikedep333 | all using wi-fi | 21:21 |
| mikedep333 | or manually install tarballs or whatever by transferring them over wi-fi | 21:21 |
| UserID10T | Cause of the flash, eh? | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | I think there are ways to transfer files over USB | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | but I am not sure | 21:22 |
| UserID10T | I don't know what the crap a repository is yet. :( | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | it's a web site | 21:22 |
| UserID10T | There are mike, I saw on youtube. | 21:22 |
| UserID10T | Heh. | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | that only the operating system accesses | 21:22 |
| elb | you can mount the device as a USB mass storage device | 21:22 |
| mikedep333 | it grabs and install software packages from the repo | 21:22 |
| UserID10T | Yep | 21:22 |
| UserID10T | Ah I see. | 21:23 |
| mikedep333 | oh, right | 21:23 |
| elb | but you don't do that to install packages | 21:23 |
| mikedep333 | and it gets updates to those packages from the repository | 21:23 |
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| mikedep333 | oh | 21:24 |
| mikedep333 | and packages show up in your package manager | 21:24 |
| mikedep333 | once the repository is added | 21:24 |
| mikedep333 | so you can easily browse the available packages | 21:24 |
| UserID10T | *sighs* | 21:25 |
| UserID10T | Where are good tutorials? | 21:25 |
| UserID10T | I should get mine Tuesday, and I need to learn a little but of the structure of linux. | 21:25 |
| UserID10T | or the proprietary platform for the n800 | 21:26 |
| UserID10T | Whatever it may be. | 21:26 |
| elb | you don't really need to know a lot about Linux to do day-to-day things with the n800 | 21:26 |
| UserID10T | But setup and installation you would. | 21:26 |
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| elb | not really, no | 21:26 |
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| UserID10T | Sweet. | 21:27 |
| elb | typical software installation etc. won't require specific Linux knowledge | 21:27 |
| elb | if you want to do fancy and/or cutting edge things, you might, because those packages and softwares don't tend to be as polished | 21:27 |
| elb | but just using applications and installing new, popular software is pretty much point-and-tap :-) | 21:27 |
| UserID10T | I will be getting...some themes, xmame, scummvm, some other games, pidgin...and a few others. | 21:28 |
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| UserID10T | I won't personally need databases beyond what these programs will require. | 21:28 |
| Ziegler | Hehe sounds like my first actions | 21:28 |
| * UserID10T high fives Ziegler. | 21:28 | |
| Ziegler | :-) | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | how do i create "local" function declarations in c - ie ones which do not conflict with functions of the same name defined in different .c files? | 21:29 |
| mikedep333 | UserID10T: you may need to upgrade to ITOS2008 for that | 21:29 |
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| mikedep333 | *for all that | 21:29 |
| mikedep333 | fortunately, that is easy | 21:29 |
| mikedep333 | and very useful in other ways too | 21:30 |
| Ziegler | I installed motion yestersay to utilize the web cam... As the webcam.... Its a bit buggy after shutdown... But it works quite nicley | 21:30 |
| UserID10T | ITOS2008... | 21:31 |
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| UserID10T | Woah the OS2008 side of maemo.org is throwing an error. | 21:34 |
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| keesj | UserID10T: the whole site is giving errors at random times. very very unproffestional[tm] if you ask me | 21:37 |
| keesj | and when the message contain sql kind of stuff , I really dislike it | 21:38 |
| czr | lcuk, you don't :-) | 21:38 |
| czr | lcuk, or you can try playing with linker flags if the symbols come from shared libs | 21:38 |
| keesj | but it is the "features" apps that are going wrong | 21:39 |
| UserID10T | I see I see. | 21:39 |
| keesj | lcuk: you name it static | 21:39 |
| keesj | http://www.space.unibe.ch/comp_doc/c_manual/C/SYNTAX/static.htm | 21:40 |
| keesj | but the guy is as good in spelling as I am "visable" | 21:40 |
| keesj | you can also play around with define and undef :p | 21:41 |
| UserID10T | If you make an app request, is the response met generally quickly? | 21:41 |
| elb | define "an app request" | 21:41 |
| UserID10T | A request for a port of said game or application. | 21:42 |
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| elb | and yeah, maemo.org has its share of problems | 21:42 |
| elb | that depends on the interest of someone who can do the port | 21:42 |
| UserID10T | Is there some sort of restriction in what can be chosen? | 21:42 |
| UserID10T | I see. I would assume that of course. | 21:42 |
| UserID10T | I meant, does it have to be linux based already, does it need to be stored as a certain type of file, etc. | 21:43 |
| UserID10T | But if it's just interest, that's workable. | 21:43 |
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| komputiko | hello | 21:44 |
| komputiko | what is better for my N800: xfce or kde? | 21:44 |
| komputiko | i want to install one of them | 21:44 |
| keesj | e17 | 21:44 |
| komputiko | i can install enlightenment? | 21:44 |
| elb | UserID10T: if it's Linux and Gtk+-based, and has a relatively simple UI, for example, it would possibly take less interest, because the port would be easier | 21:44 |
| komputiko | its that possible? | 21:44 |
| elb | UserID10T: but if source is available, interest is all that's required | 21:45 |
| keesj | komputiko: no , there is no package atm | 21:45 |
| komputiko | ok, so e17, xfce or kde...? | 21:45 |
| komputiko | ah ok | 21:45 |
| komputiko | then..? | 21:45 |
| komputiko | xfce or kde | 21:46 |
| keesj | the main prolbem is having a keyboard( I think there are packages for kde) | 21:46 |
| komputiko | i think that maybe xfce will be better | 21:46 |
| keesj | if you have a keyboard perhaps | 21:47 |
| keesj | hildon is tweaked for the n800 so that would be the best | 21:47 |
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| b0unc3 | maybe you can try cellwriter... | 21:49 |
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| komputiko | ups | 21:51 |
| komputiko | so you think that kde or xfce are not usable | 21:52 |
| komputiko | with n800 | 21:52 |
| komputiko | really i only like test amarok... but i think it will be slow | 21:53 |
| komputiko | and maybe koffice | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | keesj, thank you :) ive taken a few functions out of a module to test optimised versions thereof, but i dont want to change the interface | 21:57 |
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| Mousey | me uses his n810 without shame | 22:00 |
| Mousey | +/ | 22:00 |
| Ziegler | Heh | 22:00 |
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| fireun | Question: I've read that the 770 has interference issues with 802.11n nodes - something about 802.11n packets making the 770 blind to its AP browser finding anything. Any info on this, or a fix? | 22:03 |
| fireun | I found a forum entry that had something about manually configuring the default AP association, but the packages linked were not compatible with either of my 770 os versions | 22:04 |
| fireun | this is really frustrating to me, both 770s were used as wifi-media/music. now I have to listen to ipod music or none at all. | 22:04 |
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| fireun | running kismet shows all the missint APs that dont show up in the wifi browser | 22:07 |
| fireun | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?s=24f6cc794d1aef3d68686850f8edc6b0&searchid=1658210 | 22:07 |
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| fireun | I guess its sunday, mostly lurkers - /msg me if anyone has suggestions for a solution, I've tried the latest OS versions both HE and standard on my two 770s, no functional wifi at home. | 22:10 |
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| komputiko | somebody speak spanish? alguien habla español? | 22:19 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, I'm looking to setup the grandcentral free phone service | 22:31 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+landline | 22:31 |
| mikedep333 | does anyone have an invite? | 22:31 |
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| NeoStrider_ | hey folks | 22:45 |
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| ralann | is grandcentral still around? | 22:46 |
| ralann | lol | 22:46 |
| ralann | i forgot all about them | 22:46 |
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| konttori | does anyone use the mplayer-plugin on the browser? | 22:58 |
| konttori | I have just created a greasemonkey script that turns youtube to use the plugin, but on my device, the plugin doesn't work at all. | 22:59 |
| Ziegler | No, but i would like to | 22:59 |
| Navi | Heh | 22:59 |
| konttori | I only get a "loading playlist" from mplayer. | 22:59 |
| konttori | anyway, if someone does have the plugin running, I could share the greasemonkey script. | 23:00 |
| konttori | If that turns out to be working, I could quickly write support for a few other services as well. | 23:00 |
| konttori | as really, the flash performance is only able to barely take care of youtube, but absolutely not of other, more demanding services | 23:01 |
| konttori | like dailymotion | 23:01 |
| konttori | greasemonkey is, by the way, truly great | 23:02 |
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| mikedep333 | where can I find the IT video convertor | 23:21 |
| mikedep333 | I thought nokia had some other software available for your desktop PC | 23:21 |
| mikedep333 | but all I see is rhapsody and the OS2008 update on their site | 23:22 |
| mikedep333 | nm, found it | 23:22 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 | 23:22 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://planon.com/docupen.php that thing would pwn with an it | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 23:49 |
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