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| edison | just got a new n810, have ssh server and apt-get working - but i can't seem to find gst-launch anywhere? any hints? | 00:35 |
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| KotCzarny | it's probably gst-launch-0.10 | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | try typing gst and pressing tab twice | 00:35 |
| edison | (gstreamer*tools are not in the repos, and yes i have tried gst-launch* and tabbed and find / |grep gst-launch etc :) | 00:35 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe extras then | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i have only tsandard repos (extras enabled) | 00:36 |
| edison | how do i enable that? | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | go to app-man | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | select repos | 00:36 |
| edison | i did the .. red button thing | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | and edit extras repo properties | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | there should be enable/disable checkbox | 00:37 |
| edison | i assume you mean appman | tools | app catalogue | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 00:38 |
| edison | afaics all the repos there are enabled | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | then gronmayer.com/it/ | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | and search | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:38 |
| edison | specifically the "maemo extras" repo is enabled | 00:38 |
| edison | oh.. i'd like to do it the right way, though :) as little hacking as possible, i mean | 00:38 |
| edison | all the gstreamer libs seem to be available, its just the -tools (like launch and inspect) that are missing? | 00:39 |
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| edison | so i'd love to do it .. without editing files :) | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | 'gst-launch-0.10' yes? | 00:39 |
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| edison | yes, that's what im looking for :) | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | apt-cache policy gstreamer0.10-tools | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | Installed: 0.10.13-0osso13~chinook | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | so it should be in official repos | 00:40 |
| edison | hmm | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 00:40 |
| edison | Nokia-N810-42-19:~# apt-cache search gstreamer|grep -i tools|wc -l | 00:41 |
| edison | 0 | 00:41 |
| SHADOW6 | What was that chat client similar to pidgin ( for n810) | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:41 |
| edison | :( | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | i see you have old os2008 | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | probably beta? | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3 is the latest | 00:41 |
| edison | oh | 00:41 |
| edison | point me in some direction, i just got it today, will flash and destroy if needed :) | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | edison: maemo.org | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | there should be a link for firmware :) | 00:42 |
| edison | i just assumed since it said "os2008" in the about screen, i was "up to date" basically | 00:42 |
| edison | i guess that was not a correct assumption then | 00:42 |
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| edison | since on maemo.org everything is divided into os..something, something-else and os2008 | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | i believe there was some kind of beta | 00:43 |
| edison | but thanks! ill browse some more then. | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | i may be wrong though | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | edison, upgrade. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a very old release. | 00:44 |
| edison | gen: thanks. any more specific links than just maemo.org? many things there referred to something other than "os2008" etc.. | 00:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 00:46 |
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| edison | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php <- no dates on the files there, i assume i should use the latest flasher (flasher-3.0.amd64) (i am on linux x86_64)+ | 00:53 |
| edison | ? | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 00:54 |
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| pupnik | i have this crazy idea for the open file dialog! | 01:02 |
| pupnik | how about making it show more than three files in a directory at one time! | 01:02 |
| pupnik | </soapbox> | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | To bugzilla! | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | File it as an enhancement request for an option. | 01:03 |
| pupnik | are such whinings proper in bugzilla? | 01:03 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes! :D | 01:03 |
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| edison | Nokia-N810-51-3:~# apt-cache search gst|grep -i tool|wc -l | 01:17 |
| edison | 0 | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | enable extras? | 01:17 |
| edison | well! thanks for the help :) but still no gst tools, perhaps i should try some of those web .install files then, they seem to enable new repos | 01:17 |
| edison | kot: extras is not disabled | 01:17 |
| edison | (by default, i checked) | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | mine were | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | and stock firmware also have it disabled | 01:17 |
| edison | anyways, real nice to have upgraded :) | 01:17 |
| edison | i got the "map" application update via apt-get upgrade now, with the old flash it would not install | 01:18 |
| edison | so something is better, at least! | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | maemo-mapper is nice | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:18 |
| edison | (and i did not realise that the shell prompt showed the base flash version :) | 01:18 |
| edison | again, i got it today, bear with me :) | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it's actually hostname | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:18 |
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| edison | exactly where is the "extras" repo that contains gstreamer-*tools? | 01:25 |
| edison | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 01:25 |
| edison | that's my "extras".. | 01:25 |
| pupnik | wow rscasas's google maps page optimized for tablets is sweet! http://gmaps.xzq.net | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | edison, it's in main repo | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | not extras | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/ | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | try running apt-get update ? | 01:27 |
| edison | i did.. can i show you somehow, help me debug? | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | pastebin.com | 01:28 |
| edison | (i'm not very intimate with apt, i just know how to put things in sources.list etc) | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:28 |
| edison | Nokia-N810-51-3:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat hildon-application-manager.list |grep -i main|wc -l | 01:28 |
| edison | 0 | 01:29 |
| edison | could that be a hint? | 01:29 |
| edison | no "main".. | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | by main i meant that official nokia's one | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:29 |
| edison | oh :) | 01:29 |
| edison | i told you i am unfamiliar :) | 01:29 |
| edison | anyways, thats the only sources file i have | 01:29 |
| edison | and i swear, there is no gstreamer tools in there as far as i can see, after update | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | what happens after: apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools | 01:30 |
| edison | E: Package gstreamer0.10-tools has no installation candidate | 01:30 |
| edison | (i just flashed to this image: -rw-r--r-- 1 oystein oystein 141228111 2008-04-11 23:52 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 01:30 |
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| KotCzarny | you may try installing it by hand | 01:31 |
| edison | sure! but .. how :) | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | wget and dpkg -i | 01:31 |
| edison | you mean outside apt? | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | dpkg -i on a .deb | 01:31 |
| edison | oh no :( if everyone else has it by apt i'd not like to fuck with my pristine system :) | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:31 |
| edison | rather figure out why i cant find it | 01:32 |
| edison | i can offer ssh access if that would help..? | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | if you trust me enough | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that's just asking for trouble. | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | then ok | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
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| edison | .. i'll just flash it again after someone finds the problem :) | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | k k | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:33 |
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| KotCzarny | still, some teen from hell can wipe your flash clean | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | that it would need cold flash | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:33 |
| edison | well i'll trust you, see msg :) | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | k | 01:33 |
| edison | but please tell me everything you do.. so i understand what was wrong | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | first i will look at config | 01:34 |
| edison | all i want is gstreamer-tools, and i had hoped it would be possible via gui | 01:34 |
| edison | you can see that i flashed it ok, i assume? | 01:35 |
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| KotCzarny | yes | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | otherewise it wouldn't boot | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:39 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder how i got it | 01:39 |
| edison | me too :) | 01:39 |
| edison | one thing i noticed is that... | 01:39 |
| edison | i browsed the app database for "os 2008" on maemo.org.. | 01:39 |
| edison | when i had the old flash.. and i installed a lot of apps. i think they were '.install' files, not debs | 01:40 |
| edison | and they all auto-installed some repo | 01:40 |
| edison | i think.. it was quite strange and new to me. perhaps those tools are in one of those repos.. | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | tools are in the main pool | 01:41 |
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| KotCzarny | that isn't in the repos list | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | and isn't meant to be added | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | because i think it contain snapshot of the os | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | (i may be wrong though) | 01:42 |
| edison | i guarantee you, it is pristine, i did nothing except install openssh server from maemo.org via the browser | 01:42 |
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| KotCzarny | yes i know | 01:42 |
| edison | :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | because your repos list looks similiar to mine | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm investigating, maybe some other app relied on it and installed quietly | 01:42 |
| edison | sure, thanks for helping | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | i like puzzles | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | is there a way to list what packages rely on particular package | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | apparently nothing | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | because it was removed without a problem | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:44 |
| edison | are you destroying my device now? :) | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i have added that main repo | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | you have said you will reflash it anyway so i will give it a try | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| edison | feel free to do whatever you want | 01:46 |
| edison | sure, no probs | 01:46 |
| edison | dont delete the internal mmc though | 01:46 |
| edison | i downloaded music videos to it :) | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not touching anything other than dpkg/apt | 01:46 |
| edison | do whatever you want so that others can get gst-launch easier if you can figure something out :) | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | yes, after adding that repo it showed up | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | The following extra packages will be installed: | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | gstreamer0.10-tools | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | yes? | 01:47 |
| edison | so why wasn't it there by default and how to do it via gui? | 01:48 |
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| KotCzarny | probably it will show in the gui | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | because i have added it to the sources | 01:48 |
| edison | sure, .. but thats a given :) | 01:48 |
| edison | btw its not on root's path.. afaics | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | as for adding, you can just copy extras entry | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | without extras/ dir part though | 01:49 |
| edison | lets say i reflash it in a minute | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't installed it yet | 01:49 |
| edison | ok | 01:49 |
| edison | but my point is, why is it so hard.. what should i have done to figure it out for myself :) | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | now | 01:49 |
| edison | yeeeeeeeah! | 01:49 |
| edison | :) | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they assumed noone will be using cmd line | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | and if someone knows how to use the cmd line | 01:50 |
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| KotCzarny | he will know how to install it himself | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
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| edison | so which one was it? | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, clone extras entry | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | but without extras/ in the path | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 01:51 |
| edison | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 01:51 |
| edison | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | that's from sources list | 01:51 |
| edison | whoops | 01:51 |
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| edison | yes, so which one did you add? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | first one | 01:51 |
| edison | ok :) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | second is for comparison | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | also, i would advice you to disable it afterwards | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| edison | why? is it unstable? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | logic: if it wasn't there in the first place.. | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | who know what can happen? | 01:52 |
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| KotCzarny | anything else? | 01:53 |
| edison | heh, i just assumed that the native software was .. well .. its difficult when you consider that nokia is probably kind of evil, but maemo.org and the community is probably less evil, and wants things to work... | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | yet, it could change soon | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | as another release is around the corner :) | 01:53 |
| edison | anyways, super :) thanks everyone, especially kotczarny and generalantilles for your superb help :) | 01:53 |
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| fysa | canola youtube plugin is very slick. | 02:03 |
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| pupnik | blargh copying from mmc1 to mmc2 gives about 2MB/s | 02:29 |
| pupnik | not quite blazing fast | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | better than usb1 | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:30 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, anyone else experience that deleted mails in modest reappear when a connection isnt up? | 02:33 |
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| t_s_o | this is downright funny. i delete the mails from modest, close it down, start it back up and the mails are right there in the in folder. it even seems to ignore my "headers only" setting, downloading whole mails... | 02:41 |
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| wnd | t_s_o, does yours also fetch all messages, ignoring set limit? | 02:46 |
| t_s_o | not checked as i base it on downloading headers only and then downloading content if its a mail i want to read... | 02:47 |
| t_s_o | that is, im using a pop server with the setting to keep the mail on the server | 02:48 |
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| t_s_o | and yes, i do know that modest do not delet mail on the server. but this is happening even when im offline the whole time... | 02:48 |
| wnd | uh, can pop3 be used to get headers only? | 02:48 |
| wnd | I mean I don't really know | 02:49 |
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| wnd | but I do know that when I tried modest with gmail, it always fetched all messages, including bodies, when I used pop3 instead of imap | 02:49 |
| wnd | however both ignored the limit and fetched all headers/messages | 02:50 |
| t_s_o | pop3 can be used that way, i do it with a phone of mine all the time | 02:50 |
| wnd | oh ok | 02:51 |
| wnd | well, if you can, try using imap instead | 02:51 |
| t_s_o | not a option | 02:52 |
| t_s_o | sadly this is a isp account that supply pop access only... | 02:52 |
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| wnd | it appears that the "fetches everything regardless what I choose" -thing is a known issue | 02:58 |
| t_s_o | hmm, ok... | 02:58 |
| t_s_o | maybe i was a bit quick then. still, i did search so... | 02:59 |
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| wnd | erm and with "everything" I meant the number of messages, not contents. I should've said "all messages". sorry. | 03:01 |
| t_s_o | ok | 03:02 |
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| dick-richardson | easy method to install abiword? | 03:18 |
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| mikedep333 | I would like to know that too | 03:20 |
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| shapr | So, has anyone gotten a2dp working on os2008 ? | 03:54 |
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| lcuk | dick-richardson, i think there is a version of abiword specifically for maemo. it is a little more cut down but appears to be geared to the device. im not sure of its status but it may be worth a look | 04:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | shapr, lots of people. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just stupid CPU intensive. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | So don't expect to multitask while using it. | 04:26 |
| shapr | oh | 04:27 |
| shapr | suck | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's being worked on, though. | 04:27 |
| shapr | that's good | 04:27 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, I can't install this because poppler-utils isn't available | 04:45 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18837 | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extra-devel. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gronmayer.com/it | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whenever you have an unresolved dependency, visit gronmayer first. | 04:45 |
| mikedep333 | thx | 04:46 |
| * halleck would like to shake gronmayer's hand. | 04:46 | |
| halleck | That site has saved me soooo much time. | 04:47 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 04:47 |
| mikedep333 | but which repo is poppler in? | 04:47 |
| halleck | search for it on his site :) | 04:47 |
| halleck | it has a nifty little search on the right sidebar | 04:47 |
| dick-richardson | and even a link to automatically add the repo once you find it | 04:48 |
| mikedep333 | thx | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extra-devel. | 04:48 |
| SHADOW6 | What is the program like pidgin called again commerse? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Extra/Extras | 04:48 |
| lcuk | is there a way to make a fake repo which takes a list of parent repos and displays files and allows using through a single front end portal. something that nokia could host and run and allow people to have their own repos if required (we will need to contact authors in strange repos with odd programs which should really be in extras because they are used) | 04:48 |
| lcuk | and something we can make suggestions for repos | 04:49 |
| SHADOW6 | 1010101010101 01010100101010101010 | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, stop. :P | 04:49 |
| lcuk | wall of text ;) | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Developers just need to use Extras. | 04:49 |
| lcuk | thats ok for now, but what about those who havent | 04:49 |
| lcuk | but have a random repo out there | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beat the shit out of them. | 04:49 |
| dick-richardson | That's the best idea | 04:50 |
| SHADOW6 | Who | 04:50 |
| lcuk | what if thats the problem - they are in hiding or doing other things etc | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a variety of reasons, turning Extras into some sort of messed up front-end for all the various shitty repos out there is a very bad idea. | 04:50 |
| lcuk | uncontactable with a baseballbat or otherwise | 04:50 |
| halleck | We do not want a bunch every bit of code for the ITs linked together it would cause too much breakage for one thing | 04:51 |
| SHADOW6 | NOTE- Vista suck | 04:51 |
| SHADOW6 | s | 04:51 |
| lcuk | *when run on ARMEL devices | 04:52 |
| dick-richardson | I rdp'd into a windows vm and convinced a buddy of mine I had installed it locally | 04:52 |
| halleck | Well...if you had a computer with 6GBs of ram and 3 core2-duo 3.2Ghz proccessors it is only a tad bit on the slow side. | 04:52 |
| halleck | Actually it ran quite nicely but still...you should not NEED that. | 04:53 |
| SHADOW6 | . | 04:55 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is there any activ work on wine for OS2008? | 05:05 |
| WorkingOnWise | or is that too much to run? | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You do realize wine isn't a CPU emulator? | 05:06 |
| WorkingOnWise | GeneralAntilles: um, yeah, I do. | 05:09 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I done want to emulate a cpu | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to run Windows x86 binaries on an ARM CPU? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your best option would be to try to get DOSBox running 98. | 05:10 |
| dick-richardson | ouch | 05:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | yeah. I didnt realize wine was dependant in the app side | 05:10 |
| mikedep333 | after using sudo gainroot | 05:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | thats just wrong. Win98? in my IT? ewWWWW :D | 05:10 |
| mikedep333 | is apt-get update supposed to work? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the problem, mikedep333? | 05:11 |
| mikedep333 | hmm | 05:11 |
| mikedep333 | nothing apt-get is working | 05:11 |
| mikedep333 | I have the power plugged in and I restarted it | 05:11 |
| mikedep333 | - /var/lib/dpkg is locked | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is Application manager opened? | 05:12 |
| mikedep333 | no | 05:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | would the IT even be able to run Win98 in dosbox? as in run and be of any use? as useful as win98 can be that is... | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.11 is the most you could hope for, really. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's about ~10MHz +/-5MHz depending on the emulation level. | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | nm | 05:14 |
| dick-richardson | 3.11 allows for networking. you could install the netscape that worked in it | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | I opened and closed it | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | To what end, dick-richardson? :P | 05:14 |
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| dick-richardson | <sigh> to browse the internet on the device. obviously | 05:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | ah...so it wont get me enough to do what I want. I have a lot of ebooks that are windows exe's, needing IE and whatever dll's are involved... | 05:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | lol... | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, and the advantage of using Netscape over MicroB? :\ | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | this is getting annoying | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | how do I ssh into my IT | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | I have dropbear installed | 05:15 |
| dick-richardson | the security and ease of use of windows | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssh root@<N800 IP> | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | and how do I find out the IP? | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Har har har, dick-richardson. | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connection manager | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | try 127.0.0.1 | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | or your router | 05:16 |
| mikedep333 | used wifiinfo | 05:18 |
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| mikedep333 | I had to use apt-get -f install to install poppler stuff since the repo did not have keys | 05:28 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, what are indtgames? | 05:39 |
| mikedep333 | I cant find any info on the web | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | they want to take over the world | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a meta package for all of the INdT games. | 05:40 |
| mikedep333 | ok | 05:40 |
| mikedep333 | oh, these | 05:40 |
| mikedep333 | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games/ | 05:40 |
| mikedep333 | thx | 05:40 |
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| Navi | Anyone know how to keep the volume from dropping from max when plugging in headphones? | 05:49 |
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| lopz | re | 06:01 |
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| este_ | Does anyone use QEMU here ? | 07:11 |
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| WorkingOnWise | is the sound quailty via bluetooth pretty crappy compared to wired headphones on the n800? A lot of pitch changes and some popping? | 07:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, it's the profile. | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only 8800Hz and mono. | 07:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unless you use A2DP | 07:47 |
| WorkingOnWise | I havent seen anything about a profile...can it be changed? I used a2dp and it isnt any better, just 2 speakers and higher cpu use | 07:47 |
| WorkingOnWise | followed the thread by JohnX | 07:48 |
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| keesj | about http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ Few days ago Nokia N800 tablet emulation was released into public. | 09:39 |
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| keesj | what do you think this means? | 09:39 |
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| lopz | bye | 10:09 |
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| christefano | my N810 doesn't boot (the screen shows the Nokia logo, turns off, turns on again and shuts down). does anyone have advice for getting it back up and running? | 10:15 |
| tank-man | low battery? | 10:16 |
| christefano | the battery's full | 10:16 |
| christefano | at least it was before I tried turning it on | 10:17 |
| christefano | is there anything I can do other than reflashing it? | 10:18 |
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| keesj | christefano: try removing the power and battery for about 1 minute | 10:19 |
| christefano | okay, done | 10:19 |
| christefano | is there a button combination to hold down when turning it on again? | 10:22 |
| keesj | no, not really , only when you want to flash the device from windows(it is documented but I never really seen any use of it) | 10:23 |
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| keesj | if you have installed the bootmenu yes :P | 10:23 |
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| christefano | no, I haven't installed a bootmenu | 10:23 |
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| bret | #ruby-lang | 10:24 |
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| christefano | keesj: it's doing the same thing. I guess I'll reflash it | 10:24 |
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| christefano | does anyone have GeneralAntilles' instruction on how to flash in OS X? | 10:27 |
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| keesj | bugger :p | 10:29 |
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| christefano | ah, I mean johnx | 10:42 |
| christefano | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 | 10:42 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. anyone else has problems with microB seeming to not get past "connecting" when opening a link? | 13:11 |
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| Veggen | happens quite frequently. | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | bleh http://gforge.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=82&group_id=51&atid=213 | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | does anyone use the eclipse maemo plugin ? | 13:12 |
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| GnutoN810 | hi | 13:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Veggen, usually an AP issue. | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, never used Eclipse and the Eclipse maemo plugin, did you ? | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a machine on which it'd be very feasible to run the SDK. | 13:46 |
| Veggen | GA: mh, when I have no problems with for example ssh at the same time? | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | I'm having this problem, where I *think* I've installed everything right, but when trying to build the project, it yells about missing headers files, thus, would seem eclipse doesn't get into scratchbox before launching the Make | 13:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, have you tried hitting it repeatedly with a large stick? | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | No lol | 13:49 |
| qwerty12 | Does anyone have a initfs.bootmenu.jffs2 that I can borrow? | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | I must have messed up networking in my initfs and I cannot boot to generate a new one. | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, tell me how to get it and you can have mine :) | 13:50 |
| qwerty12 | Do you still have your initfs_flasher folder? :) | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | don't recall having one ? | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | Where would that be? Same directory as where I ran flasher-v3 from ? Or on the IT ? | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | When you flash fanoush's initfs, all the files come with in that folder. | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | heh, I only have use the stock .bin, never had any other dirs | 13:52 |
| qwerty12 | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz - if someone could download that, cd to the folder and run ./initfs_flash and choose to remove files, add dropbear & ssh and when it says to flash, don't flash it :P and upload me the initfs.bootmenu.jffs2 | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie, Ah well, thanks anyway :) | 13:53 |
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| qwerty12 | What makes me laugh is that all I need to do to get my N800 working is to just vi a file and change 5 letters. I'm reluctant to reflash as I don't have a Backup (stupid me), all my applications and custom settings are on there :( | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12, that's on the IT right ? | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Yes | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | k | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | hang on | 13:55 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks! But when it says do you want to flash this image, please press no :) | 13:55 |
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| crashanddie | damnit | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | I get "invalid tar magic" :( | 13:57 |
| qwerty12 | Must have corrupted on the way, ah well, thanks for trying :) | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | ok, I'm unable to help you | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | untaring on my box then copying to the IT, I get "permission denied" (as root) when trying to exec ./initfs_flash | 14:02 |
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| crashanddie | scp'ing the .tgz and then trying to untar it on the IT says "invalid tar magic", again | 14:02 |
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| qwerty12 | What command are you using? "tar zxvf" works for me | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks for trying though :) | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | I was using tar -xvf | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/initfs.bootmenu.jffs2 | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, many thanks! :) | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | well | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | I managed to run the script xD | 14:03 |
| qwerty12 | Too late? :P :D, thanks for trying :) | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | what does this thing do ? | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the initfs. | 14:05 |
| qwerty12 | bootmenu? Lets you boot of memory cards, provided you have a os on there and lets you do network recovery (ssh & telnet) | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sort of the intermediate part of the booting process. | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | oh :) | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | so that's the sweet thing you need when you want to run an alternative OS, right :) | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or boot from SD | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | isn't that the same thing ? | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you can just boot OS2008 from a card. ;) | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | would be sorta pointless to boot from the SD if it is to boot Maemo | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly. | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gives you much more room for installing applications | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | yeah... maybe | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and possibly a mild speed boost (mostly noticeable while booting). | 14:07 |
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| crashanddie | or you could just mount an SD card to /usr :-° | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It also makes a nice bootable backup | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not a particularly stable solution. | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | yeh | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too many things to break. | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | "hang on, lemme put my card into your IT... woops, I bricked it :-°" | 14:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Better to have each bootable install come only in one piece. | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | yeah, maybe | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, for true! :P ;) | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | christefano_, how'd the flashing go? | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | 128megs isn't a lot though, I'll give you that | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | they could've shipped 512 at least | 14:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | or just put the root on the 2Gig card | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | wouldn't that be possible ? | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Possible | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I wouldn't rank it desirable. | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | why not ? | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internal flash isn't replaceable. | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | well the 128megs one isn't either | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but it's more durable. | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | is the 2Gig one that bad ? | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, wanna take a guess how long it would take to load up a 2GB jffs2 volume? :P | 14:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly. | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just not designed quite like the internal. | 14:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | On a completely unrelated note, what the hell was Apple thinking having file thumbnail generation pull focus? | 14:14 |
| crashanddie | erhm, the n810 takes minisd cards, and if > 4Gig, they need to be SDHC compatible, right ? | 14:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They will be SDHC if they're larger than 4GB. | 14:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as a non-SDHC SD over 4GB. | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | and does SDHC == miniSD ? | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | SDHC is the spec | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't really involve formfactor | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 14:17 |
| crashanddie | sucks | 14:17 |
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| crashanddie | cuz the website I usually buy from has a category "SDHC", but absolutely no information on the size of each (is it regular SD, mini or micro) | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | but those 16Gig ones really do look a lot like regular SD cards :( | 14:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Micro/Mini 16GB ones aren't out yetyet. | 14:20 |
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| crashanddie | well mini ones will never come out | 14:20 |
| eathprod | Are there any card that is better than others? | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | sure | 14:21 |
| MangoFusion | my card | 14:21 |
| MangoFusion | is better than yours | 14:21 |
| eathprod | i didnt mean brands and stuff, are micro-sd eks. better than a sdhc | 14:22 |
| MangoFusion | ok, maybe not ;) | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | well, sadly, mini-sd is going to be discontinued | 14:22 |
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| crashanddie | so that sucks with about everyone who has an n810 | 14:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | eathprod, SDHC doesn't have anything to do with formfactor. | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | the only thing you'll find now, that's worth something, is going to be microsd, and use it with a micro-to-mini adapter | 14:23 |
| eathprod | good i ordered micro-sd then ;) | 14:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generally speaking, there are two cardtypes on the market right now with any sort of viability (excluding Sony's garbage): SD/SDHC (Micro and fullsize) and CompactFlash | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | compactflash has the big market of cameras, whereas SD has the market on phones (mostly) | 14:25 |
| eathprod | i dont know much about mem cards, but are there any difference in speed? | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phones/PDAs/Navigation equipment/UMPCs/MIDs | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | CompactFlash is faster. | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's also massive. | 14:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could make a NIT out of about 6 or 8 CFs. | 14:26 |
| MangoFusion | i got a CF card for my axim. sadly though i don't use it anymore - aargh | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | anyone know where I can get a microsd to minisd adapter ? | 14:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bundled with most of the MicroSD cards. | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | yeah, excepted the 8Gig I want :( | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ebay | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | did you guys see the ring that has bluetooth capabilities and 4gigs of storage? Also a microusb input in order to upload shit on it ^^ | 14:30 |
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| crashanddie | Gives a whole new meaning to "One ring to pwn them all" | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | well, I'm going to play some b-ball, cheers | 14:31 |
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| Capashen | hi | 14:48 |
| Capashen | i'm new user of nokia n810 and i have a few question | 14:49 |
| Capashen | is someone here ? | 14:49 |
| Capashen | i want to install python2.5, but i can't become root (i don't know the passord). I can see it with an apt-cache search in a term but i can't find it in the "synaptic of maemo :)" | 14:53 |
| Capashen | i don't understand why | 14:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Capashen, just install something that depends on it. | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola, for example | 14:54 |
| Capashen | ok i try | 14:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Application manager only shows packages in User/ | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | python-runtime was recently moved out of User/ | 14:55 |
| Capashen | ok | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if you install something that depends on it, it'll pull it down. | 14:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a bad idea to install becomeroot or easyroot to make root access easy. | 14:56 |
| Capashen | does maemo permission works as Ubuntu or debian (su / sudo) ? | 14:56 |
| Capashen | yes i don't want to be root i just wanted to install python2.5 if it works it's good | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | user doesn't have a password by default | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you'd have to add one and add user to sudoers to use sudo. | 14:57 |
| Capashen | i have to add user in admins group ? | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those two packages (they're basically interchangeable) just allow you to get a rootshell through sudo gainroot. | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just install one of those packages and be done with it. | 14:58 |
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| Capashen | :s now i have to install python-hidondeskop | 15:02 |
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| Capashen | how can i do without searching for an application which use this package ? | 15:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install <blah> | 15:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You do have Extras enabled, though, right? | 15:15 |
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| eichi | is there a way to install and run handy java apps? | 15:55 |
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| Jaffa | eichi: Jalimo is your best bet, but is a work-in-progress | 15:57 |
| lcuk | guys, does anyone know which channel would be best to ask an x11 questions? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | or do we have any x11 gurus knocking around | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | Guess not | 16:07 |
| jott | lcuk: maybe #xorg or #xorg-devel - but you still could just ask your question, maybe someone in here knows the answer already | 16:08 |
| lcuk | yer i thought so jott, thx ill look there if i dont get a response to.. | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | i am using x11 as the main event handler and when no events are pending it calls into XNextEvent() which does the idle waiting. however sometimes this idle waiting can be however long. i need but cannot find a way to set a timer of some sort so this call will come back after no more than about 15 seconds. we have tried using signal(SIGALARM) but it causes threading issues. is there an x11 native way to do this? | 16:10 |
| lcuk | oh jaffa, good to see you here, have you heard from quim yet about going to linuxtag? | 16:12 |
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| Jaffa | Nope, but just seen my name on the wiki page | 16:13 |
| lcuk | yer mine too - that was updated on thursday night i believe :) are you up for going then if possible? | 16:13 |
| jott | lcuk: maybe you could do something like while(XPending(dpy)) { evt = XNextEvent(dpy); } and do some nanosleeps inbetween | 16:14 |
| lcuk | but thats busy waiting isnt it? how do i "nanosleep" ? | 16:15 |
| jott | http://linux.die.net/man/2/nanosleep | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Hadn't been considering it. Might depend on work commitments around then, also possibly finances | 16:15 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I've seen references on a quick Google to an "X11 timer" | 16:15 |
| jott | lcuk: basically yes.. maybe there is a better solution | 16:16 |
| lcuk | ive just been looking through a load of them and i found more "if you are an old timer..." | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:bl0jAJFFvn4J:libassa.sourceforge.net/libassa-manual/C/x804.html+x11+timer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk&client=firefox-a#AEN879 | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, I saw those ones too :-) | 16:17 |
| lcuk | thanks you two, ill take a good careful look in 2 minutes, just gotta dig out an irc convo | 16:17 |
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| kaie | is there a version of opera available for the n810 ? | 16:37 |
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| Ivanovic | hiho | 16:44 |
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| Ivanovic | does anyone of you have a link to a good howto for installing the maemo 4 sdk on gentoo? | 16:47 |
| Ivanovic | (i would prefer not to have to use vmware and/or debian based systems...) | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | Ivanovic, not sure - i use the vmware myself - but have a look here, it was for the older sdk, but may point you in the right direction | 16:58 |
| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6707 | 16:58 |
| Ivanovic | hmm, found this one already via gentoo | 16:59 |
| Ivanovic | s/gentoo/google | 16:59 |
| Ivanovic | the problem is that the sunrise overlay is completely outdated, so that i will have to update some of those ebuilds to work for maemo4 | 17:00 |
| lcuk | have you read up on how the sdk works? ie using the scratchbox environment and then installing the device target within there. might be a first step to see if scratchbox installation can be built on your system | 17:01 |
| derf | The scratchbox ebuilds are dead simple. | 17:02 |
| derf | It is trivial to make some that install the new versions of the packages. | 17:03 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know, as i said i went the easy route. if you manage it in a logical manner please post back where you found info, i'm sure someone will appreciate it at some point :) | 17:04 |
| derf | I didn't find any info. | 17:05 |
| derf | I just did it. | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | heh, im finding color overrides user name in the list. derf i thought you were Ivanovic .. | 17:06 |
| lcuk | (you are both yellow) | 17:06 |
| Ivanovic | :) | 17:06 |
| Ivanovic | i just got me the overlay and am now editing the builds (that is basically copy&paste/rename work) | 17:07 |
| Ivanovic | lets see how good it works... | 17:07 |
| Ivanovic | if i manage to make things work in an easy way, i will upload the changed ebuilds (that is this part of the overlay) including a small howto somewhere... | 17:08 |
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| Ivanovic | WTF?!? | 17:26 |
| Ivanovic | why does xorg abort when activating the kdrive useflag... | 17:27 |
| Ivanovic | to be more precise: aclocal does not like me anymore when doing so | 17:27 |
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| Ivanovic | okay, it is just the version of autotools that is broken... | 17:32 |
| Navi | lol | 17:33 |
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| Zic | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ | 17:54 |
| Zic | somebody test it ? | 17:54 |
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| Ivanovic | great, i get some bad ass error when executing and of the scratchbox tools... | 18:06 |
| Ivanovic | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 18:06 |
| Ivanovic | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 18:06 |
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| pH5 | Ivanovic: http://poh9.blogspot.com/2008/01/maemo-sdk.html | 18:15 |
| pH5 | enable COMPAT_VDSO support in your kernel, otherwise it won't work with the ancient scratchbox glib | 18:15 |
| pH5 | s/glib/glibc/ | 18:15 |
| infobot | pH5 meant: enable COMPAT_VDSO support in your kernel, otherwise it won't work with the ancient scratchbox glibc | 18:15 |
| Ivanovic | argh, okay | 18:15 |
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| Ivanovic | IMO it would be nice if this was mentioned in the INSTALL.txt file, thanks for your help | 18:18 |
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| Ivanovic | thanks for your help, seems to work so far | 18:33 |
| Ivanovic | (will "really" test it on my tablet tomorrow...) | 18:33 |
| Ivanovic | what i got so far is a simple folder with the overlay for portage, those are the packages that have to be installed to have everything of scratchbox in the correct version | 18:34 |
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| Ivanovic | with this (and the correct kernel params set) it seems to be possible to simply run the sdk installer script | 18:34 |
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| AStorm | hmm? | 18:38 |
| AStorm | Gentoo on Maemo? let me have it! | 18:39 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: pingy | 18:39 |
| Ivanovic | no, the other way around, maemo sdk on gentoo without vmware | 18:39 |
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| AStorm | mhm | 18:39 |
| AStorm | although I'd love to see Gentoo on ARM | 18:39 |
| Ivanovic | uhm, there is a gentoo for arm port... | 18:40 |
| AStorm | still, gimme the tarball, as I'm having a bad time | 18:40 |
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| AStorm | with vmware image | 18:40 |
| Ivanovic | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-547275-highlight-n810.html | 18:40 |
| AStorm | or, write a howto | 18:40 |
| AStorm | :) | 18:40 |
| AStorm | forums, I should read them more often | 18:40 |
| AStorm | :) | 18:41 |
| AStorm | btw. where can I get maemo kernel sources? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | apt-get source it | 18:42 |
| Ivanovic | in their rep, i found them when looking around | 18:42 |
| AStorm | ah, so simple | 18:42 |
| AStorm | then I'll build a btrfs module for testing :P | 18:42 |
| termsig | ok, guys after installing strange deb i have a problem with uninstalling.. | 18:42 |
| qwerty12 | if you get it from browsing the repo rather than apt-get source, then make sure that you apply the patch that comes with it | 18:42 |
| AStorm | mhm | 18:43 |
| AStorm | btw, I can only see rx34 kernel | 18:43 |
| termsig | i try apt-get update upgrade and dpkg --remove but still have "unable to execute post-removal script: No such file directory.. | 18:43 |
| termsig | any clue? | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, same thing for N810 | 18:43 |
| AStorm | mhm | 18:43 |
| AStorm | hoped so | 18:43 |
| AStorm | now, pulling | 18:43 |
| lcuk | jott, jaffa thanks for help earlier, i have implimented a nanosleep approach which works and isnt so sluggish :) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, I like compiling kernels :), my 1st ever kernel compile was for my N800 >.< but I only do it so I can have all the mods that are released | 18:44 |
| AStorm | btw, have these mmc cards (internal chips and excternal card) any wear levelling? | 18:44 |
| Ivanovic | which wlan chip is exactly used (as in "is it supported by the reverse engeneered broadcom driver) | 18:45 |
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| Ivanovic | what i saw was a broadcom module lying on the flash, so i think it is some broadcom device, right? | 18:45 |
| dragorn | Ivanovic: no, it isn't | 18:45 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: cx33 something? | 18:45 |
| dragorn | there is no non-binary-module support currently | 18:45 |
| Ivanovic | ugh, that is bad | 18:45 |
| dragorn | it's a prism54/p54umac variant on a SPI bus | 18:45 |
| AStorm | dragorn: well, no | 18:45 |
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| dragorn | which is slowly getting some kernel support | 18:46 |
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| dragorn | but not, yet, useful support | 18:46 |
| AStorm | the glue is opened | 18:46 |
| dragorn | AStorm: which is worthless | 18:46 |
| AStorm | it supposedly works after hacking | 18:46 |
| AStorm | and grabbing umac.ko plus firmware | 18:46 |
| dragorn | Ivanovic: at some point in the future there will probably be a kernel module mainline which works, but don't hold your breath right now. Look on the kernel-wireless mailing list for some info. | 18:47 |
| AStorm | note "supposedly" | 18:47 |
| dragorn | AStorm: critical functionality is inside the umac binary which can't be changed | 18:47 |
| AStorm | I know :) | 18:47 |
| Ivanovic | dragorn: thanks for the info | 18:47 |
| AStorm | the trick is to run the binary | 18:47 |
| AStorm | yeah, it's ugly | 18:47 |
| dragorn | which is worthless if the functionality you need to change is blocked by the binary | 18:48 |
| dragorn | hence, useless | 18:48 |
| AStorm | not useless | 18:48 |
| AStorm | I need something working :) | 18:48 |
| Ivanovic | is there already a boost package in the repository (as in "plain normal debian package or something like this") or do i have to compile it myself? | 18:48 |
| AStorm | or a CFS patches backport to 2.6.21 | 18:48 |
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| dragorn | Ivanovic: http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/N810 is johannes' work on the SPI driver but until he figures out how the umac binary sets some registers it's not usable | 18:49 |
| AStorm | so, who will backport all the scheduler changes? | 18:49 |
| AStorm | for starters, there are older CFS patches | 18:49 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: why not directly try to get 2.6.25-rc9 working? | 18:50 |
| Ivanovic | ;) | 18:50 |
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| AStorm | Ivanovic: what about wifi then? | 18:50 |
| dragorn | Ivanovic: too many binary-only components | 18:50 |
| AStorm | and I'd have to get linux-omap tree | 18:50 |
| AStorm | as only that has dsp support | 18:51 |
| Ivanovic | dragorn: what is binary only beside the wlan stuff? | 18:51 |
| AStorm | camera? | 18:51 |
| Ivanovic | bluetooth, too? | 18:51 |
| lopz | hi | 18:51 |
| Ivanovic | hi lopz | 18:51 |
| AStorm | bluetooth is supported by omap tree afaicr | 18:51 |
| lopz | heya Ivanovic ! | 18:52 |
| Ivanovic | dragorn: thanks for the link, at least the crypto modules might come in really handy | 18:53 |
| Ivanovic | how much of the crypto stuff is directly done in hardware and how much just goes via the arm cpu? | 18:53 |
| dragorn | i'd bet all of it goes via the arm | 18:53 |
| dragorn | i don't know of any crypto hw in those things | 18:54 |
| Ivanovic | http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap2420.gif | 18:55 |
| Ivanovic | regarding this graphics some cryphto stuff (at least AES) should be implemented in hardware | 18:55 |
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| AStorm | let's see what linux-omap tree will tell me about it | 18:56 |
| AStorm | there is some TI crypto hw driver in the kernel | 18:57 |
| Ivanovic | re cam: the cam is just a plain v4l device, right? | 18:59 |
| Ivanovic | why are they using proprieary drivers for it?!? | 18:59 |
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| qwerty12 | Yes, mplayer can use it | 18:59 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: It's some canon weirdness | 19:01 |
| Ivanovic | ugh | 19:01 |
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| AStorm | hmm, where can I get sources urls for apt-get? | 19:02 |
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| Ivanovic | okay, the sdk seems to be installed nicely on my gentoo box | 19:03 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: howto plz ;) | 19:04 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: tell me your email addy in a query and i will mail you the overlay stuff you need | 19:05 |
| AStorm | astrallstorm@gmail.com | 19:05 |
| AStorm | typo | 19:05 |
| AStorm | astralstorm@gmail.com | 19:05 |
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| AStorm | I wonder about one thing... | 19:06 |
| AStorm | is there some driver to make a typical ps keyboard of a laptop available over BT? | 19:07 |
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| AStorm | of course, disabling input through it to the laptop | 19:07 |
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| AStorm | (or maybe not, who cares) | 19:07 |
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| b0unc3 | AStorm: xkbdbthid | 19:08 |
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| AStorm | non-X too? | 19:09 |
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| AStorm | hmmhmm, not in portage - is it a part of some package? | 19:15 |
| skibur | Anybody have Diablo on their N800? | 19:16 |
| skibur | The new OS? | 19:16 |
| Navi | Why | 19:18 |
| shackan | is it out already? | 19:18 |
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| Navi | shackan, no | 19:19 |
| MangoFusion | skibur: dunno, though the other say i could've sworn that my tablet felt a bit.... posessed | 19:19 |
| Ivanovic | anyone else interested in the "howto setup the maemo 4.0 sdk under gentoo"? | 19:19 |
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| skibur | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELG3C2a3rZM&NR=1 | 19:20 |
| skibur | listen | 19:20 |
| skibur | hum... | 19:20 |
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| AStorm | blah, I hate it when people forget to tell the deps of an app :) | 19:23 |
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| Ivanovic | AStorm: sent, enjoy | 19:23 |
| AStorm | xkbdbthid needs openobex | 19:23 |
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| skibur | ok i'm back | 19:24 |
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| skibur | so is the guy wrong? | 19:25 |
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| Blafasel | It is not out yet. | 19:25 |
| Blafasel | (On devices other than the Wimax thingy) | 19:26 |
| Navi | There are people with testing builds around | 19:26 |
| Navi | But that's all :P | 19:27 |
| Ivanovic | what will be the main differences? | 19:27 |
| Navi | Optimized browser, Modest built in | 19:27 |
| Navi | And a handful of other stuff | 19:27 |
| Blafasel | Updates without reflashing | 19:27 |
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| AStorm | yay | 19:28 |
| AStorm | Does it still use a broken package of busybox? | 19:28 |
| AStorm | (conflict vs coreutils and others) | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | Busybox is always going to conflict with coreutils. | 19:30 |
| skibur | :) | 19:30 |
| skibur | what backwards combatible with 06, 07? | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12 | AStorm, you've got me interested actually, does anybody know if anything would break if I installed coreutils on the tablet? I've already reflashed once today >.< | 19:33 |
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| AStorm | apt then tries to remove some fairly vital software | 19:35 |
| AStorm | because these erroneously dep on busybox | 19:35 |
| qwerty12 | I think I know how to keep them both happy, without messing up busybox. brb | 19:36 |
| qwerty12 | I'm good at some aspects in linux and suckzors in others. Busybox help messages are one of the s****** I've seen. | 19:37 |
| AStorm | :P | 19:37 |
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| AStorm | busybox just needs a conflict with coreutils and other stuff removed | 19:38 |
| AStorm | they don.t actually conflict, just supersede it | 19:38 |
| AStorm | the only problem there could be is if someone removes coreutils or sed or... after install | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Which genius at nokia decided they did :P. I'm gonna update my busybox to the ipv6 version before I try this. | 19:39 |
| AStorm | and doesn't reinstall busybox and others | 19:39 |
| AStorm | how do I use this xkbd-bthid? | 19:40 |
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| AStorm | I'm getting only messages like "can't get device info: No such device" | 19:44 |
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| qwerty12 | Hmm, busybox is saying it will be upgraded. | 19:50 |
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| qwerty12 | Fcuk it, I'ma go for it. | 19:50 |
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| Capashen | does anyone know where i can download pysqlite please ? | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, wish me luck, I'm rebooting with my newly installed coreutils. | 19:56 |
| Capashen | i remember that i have already found it on a website code.google.? but i don't remember where exactly... | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | I really need to disable the manual framebuffer I have in my kernel and use Fanoush's program >.< | 19:56 |
| AStorm | hm? | 19:57 |
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| qwerty12 | Hehe, have a output from me :P: http://pastebin.ca/982499 | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | OS2008 works fine with coreutils installed. | 20:03 |
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| AStorm | qwerty12: how do I install it w/o damage to the system? | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | You have a text editor installed? | 20:08 |
| AStorm | sure, vim | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | You know how to search with it? | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | I don't :P | 20:09 |
| AStorm | I do | 20:09 |
| AStorm | use / | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | ah, thanks. | 20:09 |
| AStorm | then type a regex | 20:09 |
| qwerty12 | first, you need to "apt-get install libacl1" | 20:10 |
| AStorm | mhm | 20:10 |
| AStorm | ok, installed | 20:10 |
| qwerty12 | Now, with vi, open up "/var/lib/dpkg/status" | 20:10 |
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| AStorm | ok | 20:11 |
| AStorm | next? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Search for coreutils, and keep searching until you find it in the Replaces line and Conflicts line. | 20:11 |
| AStorm | yup | 20:12 |
| AStorm | I have another idea | 20:12 |
| AStorm | check the deps of pkgs that dep only on baselayout | 20:12 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: got the mail? | 20:12 |
| AStorm | wait a while, doing sth else right now | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, I have no idea :P. I just removed the word coreutils from the conflict and replaces line, saved it and installed coreutils through dpkg --force-all | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12 | I have to go now, remove the word coreutils from conflicts and replaces and grab this deb : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/c/coreutils/coreutils_5.2.1-2osso1_armel.deb and install it through coreutils. | 20:14 |
| AStorm | that's old coreutils :P | 20:15 |
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| qwerty12 | It's the one I grabbed :p, use your own armel version then :P | 20:15 |
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| AStorm | ah, it's ok | 20:16 |
| AStorm | I though it was 6.x | 20:17 |
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| AStorm | the uninstall problem is because of osso-core-busybox mostly | 20:17 |
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| AStorm | I've also modded some apps to dep on busybox | coreutils | 20:21 |
| AStorm | removed the full conflict line from busybox :) | 20:21 |
| AStorm | ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9 | 20:22 |
| AStorm | :) | 20:22 |
| AStorm | I'll install proper tar, sed and grep too | 20:23 |
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| AStorm | hmm, need better findutils though :P | 20:24 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: so basically replacing busybox with the "real stuff" | 20:25 |
| Ivanovic | ;) | 20:25 |
| AStorm | yup | 20:25 |
| AStorm | I still want it though | 20:26 |
| AStorm | for building initfs | 20:26 |
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| AStorm | hmmm | 20:27 |
| AStorm | tar installer but didn't replace busybox one | 20:28 |
| AStorm | *installed | 20:28 |
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| AStorm | maybe I should also axe provides of that busybox | 20:32 |
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| AStorm | need to force an overwrite | 20:37 |
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| AStorm | thus use dpkg | 20:37 |
| AStorm | where are the debs downloaded to? | 20:40 |
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| Proteous | /dev/null | 20:41 |
| averagejo | hello | 20:41 |
| AStorm | Proteous: nope | 20:41 |
| Proteous | hiya | 20:41 |
| AStorm | /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 20:42 |
| averagejo | I'm trying to install the scratchbox script from the maemo.org site. I have installed openssh on my N800 and putty on my laptop (running vista) I've logged on to my n800 as root and copied the scripts to /home/user/ but when I try to run the scripts nothing happens. | 20:43 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 20:43 |
| averagejo | i'm a linux newb too so I don't understand a lot | 20:43 |
| Ivanovic | averagejo: ehm, what do you want to achieve? | 20:44 |
| averagejo | sudo chmod a+x ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh does nothing. no errors | 20:44 |
| Ivanovic | averagejo: do you want to install the sdk? | 20:44 |
| Ivanovic | that is not possible directly in windows | 20:44 |
| averagejo | I want to install scratchbox and the maemo sdk on my n800 | 20:44 |
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| Ivanovic | you either need an x86 compatible linux system, or vmware | 20:44 |
| averagejo | oh using putty to ssh into my tablet | 20:45 |
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| AStorm | scratchbox won't build on maemo | 20:45 |
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| averagejo | ah well there you go :P | 20:45 |
| averagejo | thanks. | 20:45 |
| AStorm | use vmware image, it should be foolproof | 20:45 |
| averagejo | any reccomendateions for os? | 20:46 |
| averagejo | oh there is an appliance? | 20:46 |
| Ivanovic | if you want it directly in your system: linux | 20:46 |
| AStorm | the vmware has ubuntu | 20:46 |
| AStorm | yep | 20:46 |
| Ivanovic | i just manage to get things into a gentoo system without too many problems | 20:46 |
| averagejo | sweet. thanks alot! sure I'll be around | 20:46 |
| Ivanovic | installing in a debian (or derivate of debian like ubuntu) should be close to a no brainer | 20:46 |
| AStorm | bal | 20:46 |
| AStorm | coreutils package is prob. broken | 20:47 |
| AStorm | Nokia-N810-51-3:/# ls -l | 20:47 |
| AStorm | Illegal instruction | 20:47 |
| AStorm | although plain ls works | 20:47 |
| AStorm | ls -l has a prob :P | 20:47 |
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| Ivanovic | averagejo: though the best for the beginning is probably to just get the vmware image and use it in vmware player | 20:51 |
| averagejo | the ubuntu image or is there a specific sdk image? | 20:51 |
| Ivanovic | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:52 |
| averagejo | :D | 20:52 |
| averagejo | much thanks | 20:52 |
| Ivanovic | (that is a xubuntu image with all the stuff in it that is needed) | 20:52 |
| Ivanovic | plus some other stuff that might be usefull for some users (like eg eclipse) | 20:52 |
| AStorm | ok, I've also installed util-linux | 20:54 |
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| AStorm | rebooting for test, brb | 20:56 |
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| AStorm | works fine :) | 21:00 |
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| AStorm | hmm, newest modest doesn't want to connect to gmail imap | 21:07 |
| _V_ | re | 21:08 |
| _V_ | any news about ruby maemo ? | 21:08 |
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| AStorm | new libtinymail is broken vs gmail | 21:14 |
| AStorm | Ivanovic: I hope the instructions will work. | 21:16 |
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| Ivanovic | AStorm: for me they worked nicely, that is just the way i setup things | 21:16 |
| AStorm | the problem might be tghat USE=kdrive may disable vital things | 21:17 |
| AStorm | not just add xephyr | 21:17 |
| Ivanovic | AStorm: no idea what it might deactivate | 21:18 |
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| Ivanovic | AStorm: here it "just works" ;) | 21:18 |
| AStorm | I'll try it | 21:18 |
| AStorm | now my tablet is empowered | 21:18 |
| AStorm | I'm about to add autotools :D | 21:18 |
| Ivanovic | which tablet? | 21:18 |
| AStorm | N810 duh | 21:19 |
| * Ivanovic also got a x60t | 21:19 | |
| AStorm | hehe | 21:21 |
| AStorm | that one was too expensive for me | 21:21 |
| Ivanovic | atm the price is at ~1100€ in germany... | 21:21 |
| Ivanovic | (okay, i bought it three month ago for 1300€ :( ) | 21:21 |
| AStorm | still much more than 400€ | 21:22 |
| Ivanovic | that is right | 21:22 |
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| Ivanovic | but for my 3 year old ibook i also just got 400€ via ebay | 21:22 |
| JLD | hi | 21:23 |
| Ivanovic | ho | 21:23 |
| AStorm | ok, now that my devel toolchain is ready, I have to move stuff onto a more spacy partition | 21:23 |
| AStorm | to internal flash | 21:23 |
| Ivanovic | :) | 21:24 |
| JLD | I'm trying to use the python bluez module, but the function bluetooth.lookup_name always returns None on OS2008. Is this a known issue? | 21:24 |
| AStorm | hmm, autoconf2.13 didn't want to install | 21:25 |
| AStorm | someone mispackaged it | 21:27 |
| AStorm | touch: cannot touch `/usr/share/man/man1/autoconf.1.gz.dpkg-devert.tmp': No such file or directory | 21:27 |
| AStorm | the default is 2.13 for some reason :P | 21:29 |
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| AStorm | hmm, matchbgox crashed again | 21:30 |
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| AStorm | it does that every now and then | 21:31 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: no probs - glad you got it working | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 22:26 |
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| KotCzarny | i need to increase backlog buffer | 22:26 |
| whooper | Hey Guys! | 22:26 |
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| whooper | i have a question | 22:27 |
| whooper | I have a Nokia 770, a usb host cable, and a 2gb rs-mmc card coming- | 22:28 |
| whooper | what should I do with them | 22:28 |
| whooper | ? | 22:28 |
| Navi | stick the rs-mmc card into the usb host cable | 22:29 |
| lcuk | put them back into a box with my address on them and ample postage and send them to me :) | 22:29 |
| Navi | and then plug it into the screen of the 770 | 22:29 |
| whooper | LOLWUT? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | what else do you want us to say? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | its up to you what you do with them, but usually people plug them in and poke around with them for a while | 22:30 |
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| * Navi needs a usb keyboatrd | 22:30 | |
| Navi | s/t// | 22:30 |
| infobot | Navi meant: and hen plug it into the screen of the 770 | 22:30 |
| Navi | the hell? | 22:30 |
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| Navi | :/ | 22:31 |
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| whooper | actually, i tried using the usb host mode+cable, but i haven't been able to get it to work | 22:31 |
| lcuk | Navi, you will get there soon | 22:31 |
| whooper | running os2007he | 22:31 |
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| AStorm | Navi: get a bt keyboard | 22:31 |
| AStorm | :P | 22:31 |
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| Navi | AStorm, no thanks | 22:31 |
| AStorm | why? | 22:31 |
| AStorm | too expensive? | 22:32 |
| Navi | 15USD for a USB keyboard | 22:32 |
| Navi | anything else seems like a waste of money | 22:32 |
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| AStorm | lol | 22:33 |
| whooper | anyways, can someone offer some help with usb host mode? | 22:33 |
| AStorm | bt keyboard a waste of money? what a joke | 22:33 |
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| AStorm | Navi: did you have a powered hub? | 22:33 |
| Navi | I have one | 22:33 |
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| AStorm | god | 22:34 |
| AStorm | *good, and used it for testing of host mode? | 22:34 |
| halleck | Navi: What device do you have? | 22:35 |
| Navi | Some small cheap one | 22:35 |
| Navi | AStorm, don't see why it wouldn't work | 22:36 |
| AStorm | some hubs have problems | 22:36 |
| AStorm | but a powered one is required | 22:36 |
| halleck | um I meant which tablet. | 22:36 |
| Navi | N800 | 22:37 |
| AStorm | should work | 22:37 |
| halleck | lucky that is fairly well documented, 770 was as well but I can't seem to find the stuff anymore. | 22:37 |
| AStorm | N810 works out of box with a tool to switch the mode | 22:38 |
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| halleck | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 is good if you are using 2008 | 22:38 |
| AStorm | just needs a gender bender :) | 22:38 |
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| whooper | i have a y cable powered with 5v 1000mah, with a 2gb flash drive in one end and the other plugged into my 770 | 22:38 |
| Navi | AStorm, well, it does work | 22:39 |
| whooper | nothing happens | 22:39 |
| Navi | It can use the same power cable the tablet uses as well | 22:39 |
| flo_lap | hi all | 22:39 |
| halleck | whooper: Are you in host mode? | 22:39 |
| whooper | yes | 22:40 |
| whooper | and rd mode | 22:40 |
| whooper | through linux | 22:41 |
| whooper | do you need a dmesg output? | 22:41 |
| halleck | hmm | 22:41 |
| halleck | sure | 22:42 |
| whooper | kk, brb | 22:42 |
| whooper | what should i look for? | 22:43 |
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| halleck | could you just paste the whole thing to a paste bin? | 22:44 |
| whooper | ???\ | 22:44 |
| halleck | ? | 22:44 |
| whooper | what's that? | 22:45 |
| whooper | nevermind | 22:45 |
| halleck | http://rafb.net/paste/ for instance | 22:46 |
| halleck | so that you don't flood the channel | 22:46 |
| smackpotato | i want a bluetooth bike wheel rotation sensor, I had a manic gadget lust insident over it a couple of days ago | 22:46 |
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| whooper | http://pastebin.com/m6ef63ac2 | 22:49 |
| keesj | smackpotato: it would also work well in Amsterdam to find back your bike | 22:49 |
| smackpotato | ya | 22:49 |
| whooper | thats the output | 22:49 |
| whooper | what do you think? | 22:52 |
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| whooper | http://pastebin.com/m6ef63ac2 | 22:53 |
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| whooper | ? | 22:58 |
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| jdong | greetings from an Ubuntu developer who just fell in love with an n800! | 22:59 |
| jdong | you guys are the best :) | 22:59 |
| Proteous | heh | 22:59 |
| jdong | silly hacker question, I'd like to associate kmplayer as the default media player for clicking on media files in the web browser.... | 23:00 |
| keesj | Welcome! | 23:00 |
| jdong | any hints where I can find where that association is made? | 23:00 |
| keesj | nope | 23:00 |
| jdong | alright, I'll use that as an excuse to start grabbing the SDK and poking around more :) | 23:01 |
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| keesj | jdong: there is a ogg player that changes the assosiations. I think also services (.desktop files) can register mime types) | 23:03 |
| whooper | what do you think? | 23:03 |
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| jdong | oh I'm an idiot | 23:03 |
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| jdong | it seems like it uses standard FDO /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | 23:03 |
| jdong | wow this thing just grows on me more and more! | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | is it contagious? | 23:04 |
| jdong | it most certainly is | 23:04 |
| jdong | I haven't done any of the homework I have due in two days since receiving this device | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:04 |
| smackpotato | also there is an mplayer plugin | 23:04 |
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| whooper | does anyone see anything for my issue? | 23:06 |
| jdong | smackpotato: there is? | 23:06 |
| kulve | .desktop files tell what kind of mime types the application can handle. The mime types are registered in e.g. /usr/share/mime/application/ogg.xml | 23:06 |
| smackpotato | that frekin physics game i played till my arm was way soree | 23:06 |
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| sol289 | hi there | 23:08 |
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| sol289 | can i talk to somebody about inner work of media player? how it find music on cards? | 23:10 |
| sol289 | via some daemon? | 23:10 |
| sol289 | and how can i test it? | 23:11 |
| AStorm | usually it contact osso-media-server through dbus | 23:11 |
| AStorm | *contacts | 23:11 |
| kulve | meta layer crawler (~/.meta_storage) | 23:12 |
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| sol289 | am i understand it right that maemo music player c lient shoul connect to the same server? | 23:12 |
| sol289 | kulve: this ~/.meta_storage - should it be text or binary data file? | 23:14 |
| AStorm | can, but doesn't have to | 23:14 |
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| AStorm | it can just look up the files on its own | 23:14 |
| smackpotato | jdong here is the link to the mplayer plugin | 23:14 |
| smackpotato | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17715 | 23:14 |
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| sol289 | Astorm: i want to know about daemon - in mmpc i see that it should autoconnect to localhost:6600 - but it is not connected and when i press "connect" - nothing happens | 23:16 |
| AStorm | mmpc needs mpd running | 23:16 |
| AStorm | hmm | 23:16 |
| sol289 | and there is some gabage mixed with filenames in ~/.metastorage - is it right? | 23:16 |
| AStorm | mv of coreutils also fails with invalid insn | 23:16 |
| AStorm | I need a real working coreutils package | 23:17 |
| sol289 | there is "ps ax" output here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2965 | 23:17 |
| sol289 | and there is no mpd runnning: | 23:18 |
| sol289 | Nokia-N800-51-3:/home/user# ps ax | grep mpd | 23:18 |
| sol289 | Nokia-N800-51-3:/home/user# | 23:18 |
| kulve | ~/.meta_storage is sqlite3 db | 23:18 |
| infobot | kulve: okay | 23:18 |
| AStorm | sol289: you have to execute it on your own | 23:18 |
| sol289 | Nokia-N800-51-3:/home/user# which mpd | 23:19 |
| sol289 | Nokia-N800-51-3:/home/user# | 23:19 |
| AStorm | or add an init script | 23:19 |
| AStorm | sol289: install it then | 23:19 |
| sol289 | where from? | 23:19 |
| sol289 | whouldn't it be in os2008 already? | 23:19 |
| sol289 | *shouldn't | 23:20 |
| AStorm | no | 23:20 |
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| sol289 | kulve thanks | 23:20 |
| AStorm | ok, so who will build working coreutils for me? | 23:22 |
| AStorm | (before I try to make my own build env) | 23:22 |
| sol289 | and this meta layer crawler - how can i test that it works fine? my problem is that i have mp3s on card, but media player doesn't see them - but file manager does, and they're playable (by canola and by the medai player itself - if i click on mp3 in file manager) | 23:22 |
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| KotCzarny | heh.. | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | some people just don't like metalayer-crawl | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | and canola has it's own data crawler | 23:23 |
| AStorm | yup, that meta crawler is horrid | 23:23 |
| AStorm | slow and running at inappriopriate moments | 23:24 |
| * KotCzarny lives without metacrawler and is happy | 23:24 | |
| AStorm | I have to disable it too | 23:24 |
| sol289 | KotCzarny i understand this. is it possible to make meta crawler to work? or how i can use default media player? | 23:24 |
| AStorm | is moving its init script enough? | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:24 |
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| AStorm | sol289: default media player is osso-media-server | 23:25 |
| AStorm | plus a frontend | 23:25 |
| sol289 | and so? | 23:25 |
| AStorm | you connect to osso-media-server with dbus commands | 23:25 |
| sol289 | why doesn't it see my music? because of meta crawler? | 23:25 |
| AStorm | if you disabled that, then yes | 23:25 |
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| sol289 | i didn't disabled it | 23:26 |
| sol289 | i didn't move any init scripts :) | 23:26 |
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| AStorm | then maybe it just crashed or... | 23:27 |
| AStorm | or you're tryinhg to play an unknown format | 23:28 |
| sol289 | Nokia-N800-51-3:/home/user# ps ax | grep craw | 23:28 |
| sol289 | 958 user 16040 SWN /usr/bin/metalayer-crawler -F | 23:28 |
| AStorm | pgrep is better (but not in busybox) | 23:28 |
| sol289 | well, all files are playable by media player | 23:28 |
| sol289 | -sh: psgrep: not found | 23:29 |
| sol289 | oh, typo | 23:29 |
| sol289 | -sh: pgrep: not found | 23:29 |
| sol289 | i'm connected to my n800 via ssh | 23:29 |
| sol289 | so... this meta-crawler... can i force it to scan my card and how can i see what it does? | 23:30 |
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| KotCzarny | this card is in external slot? | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | it scans cards on every mount (that is, opening cover is enough usually) | 23:32 |
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| sol289 | yep... i tried it in both, actally, with no result | 23:34 |
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| AStorm | now I have real procps, thus top :) | 23:36 |
| sol289 | found that MEDIAPATH variable should point meta crawler to variables | 23:36 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:37 |
| sol289 | will try it now | 23:37 |
| AStorm | pgrep is in procps, which conflicts with busybox by default | 23:37 |
| AStorm | btw, how do I force installation (overwrite) in its dpkg launch using apt-get? | 23:37 |
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| AStorm | I'm not a debian master (yet) | 23:38 |
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| AStorm | rephrased: how do i pass --force overwrite to dpkg launched by apt-get? | 23:39 |
| sol289 | i should add this variable to /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 script? | 23:39 |
| AStorm | who knows, I'll check mine | 23:39 |
| sol289 | and.. | 23:39 |
| sol289 | is there any console editor in n800?.. :) | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | vi | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | or just install mc | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | or pico | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | or nano | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | or anything | 23:40 |
| AStorm | vim is there too in some repo | 23:40 |
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| AStorm | KotCzarny: maybe you can build and package coreutils for me? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: if it builds without corrections then ok | 23:41 |
| AStorm | it should | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise i'm in the middle of ff8 | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:41 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:41 |
| AStorm | btw, is there a variant of osso-xterm where toolbars stay disabled if disabled? | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | just install aterm | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:42 |
| AStorm | no | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | and xvkbd | 23:42 |
| AStorm | aterm is evil | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | that way you get alt-number | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | and stuff | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| AStorm | and doesn't know unicode | 23:43 |
| sol289 | vim would be fine :) but there's no vim in there, where can i get it? | 23:43 |
| AStorm | if you said xfce Terminal or so... | 23:43 |
| AStorm | sol289: there is, in maemo extras | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | sfce term probably has deps | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:43 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: same as osso-xterm | 23:43 |
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| AStorm | libvte and 2 xfce libs | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | still 3 > 0 | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:44 |
| AStorm | sol289: use gronmeyer.it too | 23:44 |
| AStorm | but UTF | 23:44 |
| AStorm | and libvte is already there | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there's a version utf-enabled | 23:44 |
| AStorm | no | 23:44 |
| AStorm | aterm just can't support it by design | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:45 |
| AStorm | it doesn't know multibyte | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | i should build that coreutils with PATH=/opt | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | what do you think? | 23:45 |
| sol289 | i have this maemo extras: at url http://repository.maemo.org, chinook, free non-free - in there? | 23:45 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: I want it in / | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | but you can get some maim brokage | 23:45 |
| AStorm | I know the risk | 23:46 |
| AStorm | I already have it here | 23:46 |
| AStorm | but the 5.2 has invalid insns in some parts | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | you have n8x0 ? | 23:46 |
| AStorm | at worst, I'll fix it through rescue ssh, thanks to Fanoush | 23:46 |
| AStorm | n810 | 23:46 |
| KotCzarny | k | 23:47 |
| sol289 | found it via web | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | E: Couldn't find package libattr1-dev | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | i love dependency hell | 23:47 |
| AStorm | it is there | 23:48 |
| AStorm | at least, should be | 23:48 |
| AStorm | if not, build one :) | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | not in my scratchbox repos | 23:48 |
| sol289 | there is vim for os2007 | 23:48 |
| AStorm | just a bunch of headers | 23:48 |
| AStorm | sol289: don't know | 23:48 |
| AStorm | use OS2008 already | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:49 |
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| sol289 | i'm using 2008 already :) found vim for 2008 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | libselinux? | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | doh | 23:50 |
| AStorm | disable selinux please | 23:50 |
| AStorm | :P | 23:50 |
| AStorm | we don't have or need it on IT | 23:50 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 23:54 |
| AStorm | procps package is broken | 23:54 |
| AStorm | it has this problem: | 23:54 |
| AStorm | invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh" | 23:55 |
| AStorm | invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh" | 23:55 |
| AStorm | how to fix that? | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | probably bad symlink | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | and: ls -lL /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh | 23:56 |
| AStorm | exists, symlink is correct | 23:56 |
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| AStorm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2008-04-12 22:34 /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh -> ../init.d/procps.sh | 23:57 |
| AStorm | btw, ls fixed itself... weird | 23:58 |
| AStorm | maybe the coreutils wanted some lib | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | so i should stop compilation? | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:58 |
| AStorm | no | 23:59 |
| AStorm | I'd still like newer coreutils | 23:59 |
| AStorm | 5.2 is ancient | 23:59 |
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